Kris Kristofferson was also part of deep state and was involved in MK-ultra programming. Beatles didn't live in the U.S. so they wouldn't have been in Laurel Canyon but it is amazing how many '60s musical groups came out of Laurel Canyon and were part of the deep state with fathers who were high up in military intelligence. McGowan's boo…
Kris Kristofferson was also part of deep state and was involved in MK-ultra programming. Beatles didn't live in the U.S. so they wouldn't have been in Laurel Canyon but it is amazing how many '60s musical groups came out of Laurel Canyon and were part of the deep state with fathers who were high up in military intelligence. McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is a real eye-opener. I'm a 70 y.o. boomer and not proud of the hippie movement. I grew up right next to Laurel Canyon in Hollywood Hills.
It touched our family there too, in the biggest way.
1960s L.A. had some deep and dark going on, all of it circling around a certain President...and all the little people around him started to get hurt, hurt bad. I was quite small, but I do remember the things that happened.
My story starts with the story of Mac and Fitz, two Irish dads who served in the Pacific and liked to joke about poontang. Mac and Fitz...they got along. Then, something happened to Fitz.
He was also a Rhodes Scholar. a most unusual background for a rocker. What kind of person with that level of education chooses that career path? Best guess: it was his assignment.
Yes, many Rhodes scholars are deep state. The man who started and sponsored it is deep state. Kris Kristofferson also came from a military family and was in the military - which numerous deep state people are. Most of those famous hippie musicians in Laurel Canyon in 1960s had a dad high up in military. M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex) is a real thing, President Eisenhower warned us about it when he left office. There's a video of him giving that speech somewhere on You Tube. Fun fact: many years ago when I was a flight attendant I was leaving the airplane and saw him boarding the plane. He really gave me an intense, hungry stare, had deep blue eyes that were very penetrating. I wouldn't wanted to have been an MK-Ultra victim with him as the programmer.
+1 @E. Grogan, In retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom.
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
~ Mao Zedong
Sex and drugs and rock and roll were the pre-internet equivalent of China's “BGY” plan to control the world Blue (control the Internet), Gold (buy influence with money), and Yellow (seduce key people with sex).
Kathy O'Brian wrote TRANCE FORMATION IN AMERICA where she claimed that Kris was active with MK-Ultra (which ended in 1974 when Kris was a college student)
I've seen videos of soldiers innocently dosed with LSD that ended up laughing hysterically and having lots of fun. If MK-Ultra is still going on, I wish a little of it would come my way.
@E.Grogan, Do you speak Russian? Are there any books on Russian history (in English) you'd recommend? Or any Russian-language learning advice? Thank you in advance.
No, I don't speak Russian, wish I did. A quick look on Amazon brought up this book, which looks very good - it got average rating of 4.6 out of 5, from over 1,700 reviews:
This book is from 1976, Russia under communism and was written by a journalist who was stationed in Russia at the time IIRC - someone from U.S. consulate brought it over to the hospital for me to read when I was in the hospital in Moscow. It was quite good, gives a very clear picture of U.S.S.R. under communism in 1970s and matches every single thing I experienced when I was there. There were always lines for everything and some folks had to wait up to 4 hours just to buy a pair of shoes! I found it very interesting book "The Russians:":
I don't want any LSD, thank you; but everyone knows that the big scandal about the now-defunct MK-Ultra Program involved secretly dosing soldiers and American cititzens with LSD.
Sidney Gottlieb was the one who tried all kinds of experiments, including LSD to induce mind control; alas, he discovered LSD wasn't able to induce mind control. Here is an extensive article on the topic:
"Gottlieb’s master weapon, LSD, made subjects highly suggestible, but their beliefs and behaviours had proved impossible to control."
Sadly, the London Review of Books would not allow me to read without paying and I hesitate to enter into financial deals on the Internet. I'm glad we're getting along now. Time for SEC football!!! Roll Tide
Same here except I don't feel the same about the hippies, they were not all cut out of the same cloth. I haven't read McGowan's book but I'm well aware of everything in it. The music and the talent behind it was undeniable. Jim Morrison repeatedly disowned his parents by saying they had died. I don't consider most of the music then as subversive, they were mostly truth seekers trying to subvert the lying assassination govt we had inherited. Then came the backlash aka Manson and the Rap Industry. Kris K was a pos, ask Cathy O'Brien.
Many of those musicians didn't sing on the albums released of their music - they had other singers/musicians on the albums, that's in the Laurel Canyon book. Nor do these musicians come across as good, innocent folks either. Just for one, they knew something was going on with Manson and many of them had known him but they all refused to talk.
The point is - and you'd see this if you read it - and it's available as an article online, not a whole book - is that this was not an organic, grass-roots music revolution. It was completely engineered, along with the entire culture. I get it though, it's too much for most people to be able to take in. But its purpose was to break up the American family unit, and it did that quite well. It set youth against parents from then on.
Adolescents always rebel against their parents and act out. It was a happy coincidence that rock music became such a positive force in the late sixties and early seventies.
Hedonism is inherently subversive since it invokes the Government to come in and pick up the pieces. Morrison was doing the Will of the Deep State whether he knew it or not. Adolescents always do.
"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." - St. Augustine, City of God
"Libido Dominandi shows how sexual liberation was from its inception a form of control.
. . .
Aldous Huxley wrote in his preface to the 1946 edition of Brave New World that ‘as political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.’
(Libido Dominandi) explains how the rhetoric of sexual freedom was used to engineer a system of covert political and social control. Over the course of the two-hundred-year span covered by this book, the development of technologies of communication, reproduction, and psychic control - including psychotherapy, behaviorism, advertising, sensitivity training, pornography, and plain old blackmail - allowed the Enlightenment and its heirs to turn Augustine's insight on its head and create masters out of men's vices. Libido Dominandi is the story of how that happened."
While Jim's lifestyle may have been considered hedonistic I don't believe he literally was. Everything was changing so quickly then. He had a very high IQ and basically no fatherly role model or guidance to support him. I actually met Jim at one of his concerts.
He was about as hedonistic as it gets, according to bandmates, lovers and friends. But he wasn't much different than any of the other hedonists, and he became a big drunk/druggie/addict, so that ruined his art anyway.
Kris Kristofferson was also part of deep state and was involved in MK-ultra programming. Beatles didn't live in the U.S. so they wouldn't have been in Laurel Canyon but it is amazing how many '60s musical groups came out of Laurel Canyon and were part of the deep state with fathers who were high up in military intelligence. McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is a real eye-opener. I'm a 70 y.o. boomer and not proud of the hippie movement. I grew up right next to Laurel Canyon in Hollywood Hills.
It touched our family there too, in the biggest way.
1960s L.A. had some deep and dark going on, all of it circling around a certain President...and all the little people around him started to get hurt, hurt bad. I was quite small, but I do remember the things that happened.
My story starts with the story of Mac and Fitz, two Irish dads who served in the Pacific and liked to joke about poontang. Mac and Fitz...they got along. Then, something happened to Fitz.
He was also a Rhodes Scholar. a most unusual background for a rocker. What kind of person with that level of education chooses that career path? Best guess: it was his assignment.
Yes, many Rhodes scholars are deep state. The man who started and sponsored it is deep state. Kris Kristofferson also came from a military family and was in the military - which numerous deep state people are. Most of those famous hippie musicians in Laurel Canyon in 1960s had a dad high up in military. M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex) is a real thing, President Eisenhower warned us about it when he left office. There's a video of him giving that speech somewhere on You Tube. Fun fact: many years ago when I was a flight attendant I was leaving the airplane and saw him boarding the plane. He really gave me an intense, hungry stare, had deep blue eyes that were very penetrating. I wouldn't wanted to have been an MK-Ultra victim with him as the programmer.
+1 @E. Grogan, In retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom.
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
~ Mao Zedong
Sex and drugs and rock and roll were the pre-internet equivalent of China's “BGY” plan to control the world Blue (control the Internet), Gold (buy influence with money), and Yellow (seduce key people with sex).
"n retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom."
Yes. This might explain our oft-criticized enthusiasm in dealing with them back in the 60's....
How was Kris Kristofferson involved in MK-ultra?
Programmer.
Kathy O'Brian wrote TRANCE FORMATION IN AMERICA where she claimed that Kris was active with MK-Ultra (which ended in 1974 when Kris was a college student)
Yes, I read that book. We were told it ended in 1974 but it wasn't. It's still going on. I know people who have been victims of it.
I've seen videos of soldiers innocently dosed with LSD that ended up laughing hysterically and having lots of fun. If MK-Ultra is still going on, I wish a little of it would come my way.
LSD had nothing to do with MK-Ultra which was mind control/programming which was usually done with torture. If you want LSD, find a local dealer.
@E.Grogan, Do you speak Russian? Are there any books on Russian history (in English) you'd recommend? Or any Russian-language learning advice? Thank you in advance.
No, I don't speak Russian, wish I did. A quick look on Amazon brought up this book, which looks very good - it got average rating of 4.6 out of 5, from over 1,700 reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/New-Penguin-Russian-Course-Beginners/dp/0140120416/ref=sr_1_4?sr=8-4
This book is from 1976, Russia under communism and was written by a journalist who was stationed in Russia at the time IIRC - someone from U.S. consulate brought it over to the hospital for me to read when I was in the hospital in Moscow. It was quite good, gives a very clear picture of U.S.S.R. under communism in 1970s and matches every single thing I experienced when I was there. There were always lines for everything and some folks had to wait up to 4 hours just to buy a pair of shoes! I found it very interesting book "The Russians:":
https://www.amazon.com/Russians-Hedrick-Smith/dp/0812905210/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1
As for the history of Russia, I'd love to find a good book on that, one that starts in B.C. era and goes to current times. Here's one that looks good:
"A History of Russia: To 1917"
https://www.amazon.com/History-Russia-Russian-European-Eurasian/dp/1843310236/ref=sr_1_4?sr=8-4
This one on Russian history also looks good: The Story of Russia
https://www.amazon.com/Story-Russia-Orlando-Figes/dp/1250871395/ref=sr_1_3?sr=8-3
Happy reading!
I don't want any LSD, thank you; but everyone knows that the big scandal about the now-defunct MK-Ultra Program involved secretly dosing soldiers and American cititzens with LSD.
Sidney Gottlieb was the one who tried all kinds of experiments, including LSD to induce mind control; alas, he discovered LSD wasn't able to induce mind control. Here is an extensive article on the topic:
"Gottlieb’s master weapon, LSD, made subjects highly suggestible, but their beliefs and behaviours had proved impossible to control."
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n03/mike-jay/lace-the-air-with-lsd
Yes, they tried it on soldiers but it didn't work.
Sadly, the London Review of Books would not allow me to read without paying and I hesitate to enter into financial deals on the Internet. I'm glad we're getting along now. Time for SEC football!!! Roll Tide
You’re uninformed.
Life goes on.
History
https://www.history.com/mkultra-operation-midnight...
The CIA's Appalling Human Experiments With Mind Control
Same here except I don't feel the same about the hippies, they were not all cut out of the same cloth. I haven't read McGowan's book but I'm well aware of everything in it. The music and the talent behind it was undeniable. Jim Morrison repeatedly disowned his parents by saying they had died. I don't consider most of the music then as subversive, they were mostly truth seekers trying to subvert the lying assassination govt we had inherited. Then came the backlash aka Manson and the Rap Industry. Kris K was a pos, ask Cathy O'Brien.
Many of those musicians didn't sing on the albums released of their music - they had other singers/musicians on the albums, that's in the Laurel Canyon book. Nor do these musicians come across as good, innocent folks either. Just for one, they knew something was going on with Manson and many of them had known him but they all refused to talk.
The point is - and you'd see this if you read it - and it's available as an article online, not a whole book - is that this was not an organic, grass-roots music revolution. It was completely engineered, along with the entire culture. I get it though, it's too much for most people to be able to take in. But its purpose was to break up the American family unit, and it did that quite well. It set youth against parents from then on.
Adolescents always rebel against their parents and act out. It was a happy coincidence that rock music became such a positive force in the late sixties and early seventies.
Hedonism is inherently subversive since it invokes the Government to come in and pick up the pieces. Morrison was doing the Will of the Deep State whether he knew it or not. Adolescents always do.
Libido Dominandi, by E. Michael Jones.
"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." - St. Augustine, City of God
"Libido Dominandi shows how sexual liberation was from its inception a form of control.
. . .
Aldous Huxley wrote in his preface to the 1946 edition of Brave New World that ‘as political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.’
(Libido Dominandi) explains how the rhetoric of sexual freedom was used to engineer a system of covert political and social control. Over the course of the two-hundred-year span covered by this book, the development of technologies of communication, reproduction, and psychic control - including psychotherapy, behaviorism, advertising, sensitivity training, pornography, and plain old blackmail - allowed the Enlightenment and its heirs to turn Augustine's insight on its head and create masters out of men's vices. Libido Dominandi is the story of how that happened."
While Jim's lifestyle may have been considered hedonistic I don't believe he literally was. Everything was changing so quickly then. He had a very high IQ and basically no fatherly role model or guidance to support him. I actually met Jim at one of his concerts.
He was about as hedonistic as it gets, according to bandmates, lovers and friends. But he wasn't much different than any of the other hedonists, and he became a big drunk/druggie/addict, so that ruined his art anyway.