Sadly - I think a LOT of that crowd are just dyed-in-the-wool Dems and won't switch parties, as well as, they think that being Woke is "cool" and makes them seem younger and in touch.
Sadly - I think a LOT of that crowd are just dyed-in-the-wool Dems and won't switch parties, as well as, they think that being Woke is "cool" and makes them seem younger and in touch.
I have them in my family. They're set in their ways, but hey, at 73, so am I. By the time you're over 65, you know what you believe and you are commited to it. I know that I am.
Plus, these people aren't into alt-media; especially not internet sources. They think a credible news source is PBS and programs like Washington Week in Review. They are convinced that The New York Times is the final word. These are the people who still have subscriptions.
I am a proud member of the generation that gave the world the Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Pink Floyd. It was easy to see in 2015 that NPR and PBS had joined that Satanic forces promoting nothing but Democrat propaganda, lies, and hate.
I'm quite sure that none of the Beatles, Bob Dylan, or any member of Pink Floyd ever lived in Laurel Canyon. It is true that many of the California musicians have families in the military, but so did Kris Kristofferson
Kris Kristofferson was also part of deep state and was involved in MK-ultra programming. Beatles didn't live in the U.S. so they wouldn't have been in Laurel Canyon but it is amazing how many '60s musical groups came out of Laurel Canyon and were part of the deep state with fathers who were high up in military intelligence. McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is a real eye-opener. I'm a 70 y.o. boomer and not proud of the hippie movement. I grew up right next to Laurel Canyon in Hollywood Hills.
It touched our family there too, in the biggest way.
1960s L.A. had some deep and dark going on, all of it circling around a certain President...and all the little people around him started to get hurt, hurt bad. I was quite small, but I do remember the things that happened.
My story starts with the story of Mac and Fitz, two Irish dads who served in the Pacific and liked to joke about poontang. Mac and Fitz...they got along. Then, something happened to Fitz.
He was also a Rhodes Scholar. a most unusual background for a rocker. What kind of person with that level of education chooses that career path? Best guess: it was his assignment.
Yes, many Rhodes scholars are deep state. The man who started and sponsored it is deep state. Kris Kristofferson also came from a military family and was in the military - which numerous deep state people are. Most of those famous hippie musicians in Laurel Canyon in 1960s had a dad high up in military. M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex) is a real thing, President Eisenhower warned us about it when he left office. There's a video of him giving that speech somewhere on You Tube. Fun fact: many years ago when I was a flight attendant I was leaving the airplane and saw him boarding the plane. He really gave me an intense, hungry stare, had deep blue eyes that were very penetrating. I wouldn't wanted to have been an MK-Ultra victim with him as the programmer.
+1 @E. Grogan, In retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom.
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
~ Mao Zedong
Sex and drugs and rock and roll were the pre-internet equivalent of China's тАЬBGYтАЭ plan to control the world Blue (control the Internet), Gold (buy influence with money), and Yellow (seduce key people with sex).
Kathy O'Brian wrote TRANCE FORMATION IN AMERICA where she claimed that Kris was active with MK-Ultra (which ended in 1974 when Kris was a college student)
Same here except I don't feel the same about the hippies, they were not all cut out of the same cloth. I haven't read McGowan's book but I'm well aware of everything in it. The music and the talent behind it was undeniable. Jim Morrison repeatedly disowned his parents by saying they had died. I don't consider most of the music then as subversive, they were mostly truth seekers trying to subvert the lying assassination govt we had inherited. Then came the backlash aka Manson and the Rap Industry. Kris K was a pos, ask Cathy O'Brien.
Many of those musicians didn't sing on the albums released of their music - they had other singers/musicians on the albums, that's in the Laurel Canyon book. Nor do these musicians come across as good, innocent folks either. Just for one, they knew something was going on with Manson and many of them had known him but they all refused to talk.
The point is - and you'd see this if you read it - and it's available as an article online, not a whole book - is that this was not an organic, grass-roots music revolution. It was completely engineered, along with the entire culture. I get it though, it's too much for most people to be able to take in. But its purpose was to break up the American family unit, and it did that quite well. It set youth against parents from then on.
Adolescents always rebel against their parents and act out. It was a happy coincidence that rock music became such a positive force in the late sixties and early seventies.
Hedonism is inherently subversive since it invokes the Government to come in and pick up the pieces. Morrison was doing the Will of the Deep State whether he knew it or not. Adolescents always do.
"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." - St. Augustine, City of God
"Libido Dominandi shows how sexual liberation was from its inception a form of control.
. . .
Aldous Huxley wrote in his preface to the 1946 edition of Brave New World that тАШas political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.тАЩ
(Libido Dominandi) explains how the rhetoric of sexual freedom was used to engineer a system of covert political and social control. Over the course of the two-hundred-year span covered by this book, the development of technologies of communication, reproduction, and psychic control - including psychotherapy, behaviorism, advertising, sensitivity training, pornography, and plain old blackmail - allowed the Enlightenment and its heirs to turn Augustine's insight on its head and create masters out of men's vices. Libido Dominandi is the story of how that happened."
While Jim's lifestyle may have been considered hedonistic I don't believe he literally was. Everything was changing so quickly then. He had a very high IQ and basically no fatherly role model or guidance to support him. I actually met Jim at one of his concerts.
He was about as hedonistic as it gets, according to bandmates, lovers and friends. But he wasn't much different than any of the other hedonists, and he became a big drunk/druggie/addict, so that ruined his art anyway.
Plato wrote that the introduction of a new from of music was a very big deal - one that could destroy a culture. Rock is the music of impulse and sexuality. Dionysius unbound. Our culture was Apollonian, but that dying now because of Rock and its successors, Rap and Hip Hop. They're even beginning to integrate Country. We're not even allowed to have our own Dionysian culture, be it traditional or new. Rock didn't die - it was simply replaced.
I just don't believe that a group of uneducated teenagers into hanging out in taverns could write 200+ brilliant songs in the space of a couple of years. But that's me.
Pretty sure the Beatles were a beta test of mass cultural manipulation. The late Quincy Jones said words to the effect that they weren't musicians, before retracting his statement.
I'm a member of that same generation and remember when NPR turned cutesy with the introduction of "All Things Considered" in the late '70's. I stopped listening after that but still believed in PBS. Then in 2003, quite by chance, I stumbled across alt-media. It was nearly all micro-radio and shortwave back then (World Wide Christian Radio, a vast shortwave operation based in Nashville TN, carried many of the programs). But it didn't take off until years later with the Internet, and now X, and many have yet to catch up.
I was already 60-ish and set in my ways but not too set to recognize the truth when it smacks me upside the head.
Not all of us are. I'm 70 y.o. and know many my age who are conservatives and Trump supporters. Depends on where part of the country you live in. I live in the South where most folks are conservative. In 2020, my county voted 96% for Trump and we have many people my age here.
ThatтАЩs definitely the case for my parents (77 and 78). TheyтАЩve been playing the cool kids all their lives. My mother refers to herself as Betty Dancer. When my step-dadтАЩs middle child decided in his 40s to fly to Thailand and become a тАШwomanтАЩ my parents were beside themselves with joy. TheyтАЩre social cache with their crowd went thru the roof. It was like that Harry Potter scene тАЬwe have a witch in the family!тАЭ
That reference puts me in an unfavorable light. IтАЩm ok with that. If Kevin wants to live as a person called Vivian thatтАЩs fine. HeтАЩs not a woman but whatever. Vivian just ran for a CO state senate position and lost. But the campaign picture showed a happy smile.
My sister married a man who at the time was considering transitioning. He put that aside for a while and tried. DidnтАЩt work. He eventually decided he really needed to live as a woman. I hear my former BIL married a biological woman and is also happy, though with a very different personality.
My sister rabidly defends both his choice and her support of it. SheтАЩs quite preachy about the issue. And sheтАЩs been alone and desperately lonely with her liberal orthodoxy ever since. She seems righteously outraged a lot. And so rigid she disallows any discussion that might lead to a politics or religion. She changes the subject or begins spouting whateverтАЩs allowed in the permission structure of her thought bubble on the given day. SheтАЩs my sis and sheтАЩs lonely so I just smile.
None of them understand why IтАЩd worship Jesus or vote Trump. They wonder how I managed to wander so far off the reservation. But they all seem to appreciate my ability to love them with compassion. I have a deep sense of peace grounded in living a life of simple faith here in reality. I wish them (and everyone) that simple peace and fulfillment.
Bless you for sticking to your guns and being who you are. I find most liberals to be miserable, because they are stuck in an impossibly grotesque mindset. No trans-widow is "happy" for them. They are told they have to be or they are a terrible person. I will guarantee that the vast majority of trans widows are heavily codependent. Trans widows who recovered or escaped, etc. have spoken on shows I watch, and it's pretty heartbreaking what they go through. First of all, TIMs (trans identified males who play at being women) are most often autogynophiles and/or narcissists, so while they are transing they torture their female partners emotionally and mentally like nobody's business. Then they leave them and the woman is supposed to understand.
I would give that asshole the heave-ho and never talk to him again. I mean, really? Why would any woman entertain this idiotic delusion? But they do. Whatever. I am hoping this presidency spells the end to some of the damage the LGBTQ++++++++ "community" were able to do.
My mil was one of them and my fatherтАЩs side of the family. All of them. Of course they are highly educated professionals. IтАЩm the black sheep as my father was. He was a republican in a sea of liberal commie democrats. IтАЩm not being facetious and they all live in California, Massachusetts or New Mexico.
My mamma (1914-2005) didnтАЩt dull the lead on one pencil all the years she voted. She was a Yellow Dog Democrat and proud of it. тАЬI only keep living to cancel your vote,тАЭ she told me. Progressive meant something else for her, but had she lived, even she would have been disgusted by their bullshit.
Sadly - I think a LOT of that crowd are just dyed-in-the-wool Dems and won't switch parties, as well as, they think that being Woke is "cool" and makes them seem younger and in touch.
Yep.
"Dyed-in-the-wool".
I have them in my family. They're set in their ways, but hey, at 73, so am I. By the time you're over 65, you know what you believe and you are commited to it. I know that I am.
Plus, these people aren't into alt-media; especially not internet sources. They think a credible news source is PBS and programs like Washington Week in Review. They are convinced that The New York Times is the final word. These are the people who still have subscriptions.
Oh they think PBS and NPR are the source of all truth - YEP. Those hushed, snobby English accents. That generation are suckers for them.
I am a proud member of the generation that gave the world the Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Pink Floyd. It was easy to see in 2015 that NPR and PBS had joined that Satanic forces promoting nothing but Democrat propaganda, lies, and hate.
Hmmm. You should read David McGowan's Laurel Canyon series. Lots of those musical acts you loved came from the same satanic forces.
THANK YOU, @The Real Mary Rose! That's the post I was looking for.
I'm quite sure that none of the Beatles, Bob Dylan, or any member of Pink Floyd ever lived in Laurel Canyon. It is true that many of the California musicians have families in the military, but so did Kris Kristofferson
Kris Kristofferson was also part of deep state and was involved in MK-ultra programming. Beatles didn't live in the U.S. so they wouldn't have been in Laurel Canyon but it is amazing how many '60s musical groups came out of Laurel Canyon and were part of the deep state with fathers who were high up in military intelligence. McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is a real eye-opener. I'm a 70 y.o. boomer and not proud of the hippie movement. I grew up right next to Laurel Canyon in Hollywood Hills.
It touched our family there too, in the biggest way.
1960s L.A. had some deep and dark going on, all of it circling around a certain President...and all the little people around him started to get hurt, hurt bad. I was quite small, but I do remember the things that happened.
My story starts with the story of Mac and Fitz, two Irish dads who served in the Pacific and liked to joke about poontang. Mac and Fitz...they got along. Then, something happened to Fitz.
He was also a Rhodes Scholar. a most unusual background for a rocker. What kind of person with that level of education chooses that career path? Best guess: it was his assignment.
Yes, many Rhodes scholars are deep state. The man who started and sponsored it is deep state. Kris Kristofferson also came from a military family and was in the military - which numerous deep state people are. Most of those famous hippie musicians in Laurel Canyon in 1960s had a dad high up in military. M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex) is a real thing, President Eisenhower warned us about it when he left office. There's a video of him giving that speech somewhere on You Tube. Fun fact: many years ago when I was a flight attendant I was leaving the airplane and saw him boarding the plane. He really gave me an intense, hungry stare, had deep blue eyes that were very penetrating. I wouldn't wanted to have been an MK-Ultra victim with him as the programmer.
+1 @E. Grogan, In retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom.
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
~ Mao Zedong
Sex and drugs and rock and roll were the pre-internet equivalent of China's тАЬBGYтАЭ plan to control the world Blue (control the Internet), Gold (buy influence with money), and Yellow (seduce key people with sex).
"n retrospect, the "hippie movement" was a brilliant psyop aimed at discrediting the vigilance needed to maintain Freedom."
Yes. This might explain our oft-criticized enthusiasm in dealing with them back in the 60's....
How was Kris Kristofferson involved in MK-ultra?
Programmer.
Kathy O'Brian wrote TRANCE FORMATION IN AMERICA where she claimed that Kris was active with MK-Ultra (which ended in 1974 when Kris was a college student)
Yes, I read that book. We were told it ended in 1974 but it wasn't. It's still going on. I know people who have been victims of it.
Same here except I don't feel the same about the hippies, they were not all cut out of the same cloth. I haven't read McGowan's book but I'm well aware of everything in it. The music and the talent behind it was undeniable. Jim Morrison repeatedly disowned his parents by saying they had died. I don't consider most of the music then as subversive, they were mostly truth seekers trying to subvert the lying assassination govt we had inherited. Then came the backlash aka Manson and the Rap Industry. Kris K was a pos, ask Cathy O'Brien.
Many of those musicians didn't sing on the albums released of their music - they had other singers/musicians on the albums, that's in the Laurel Canyon book. Nor do these musicians come across as good, innocent folks either. Just for one, they knew something was going on with Manson and many of them had known him but they all refused to talk.
The point is - and you'd see this if you read it - and it's available as an article online, not a whole book - is that this was not an organic, grass-roots music revolution. It was completely engineered, along with the entire culture. I get it though, it's too much for most people to be able to take in. But its purpose was to break up the American family unit, and it did that quite well. It set youth against parents from then on.
Adolescents always rebel against their parents and act out. It was a happy coincidence that rock music became such a positive force in the late sixties and early seventies.
Hedonism is inherently subversive since it invokes the Government to come in and pick up the pieces. Morrison was doing the Will of the Deep State whether he knew it or not. Adolescents always do.
Libido Dominandi, by E. Michael Jones.
"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." - St. Augustine, City of God
"Libido Dominandi shows how sexual liberation was from its inception a form of control.
. . .
Aldous Huxley wrote in his preface to the 1946 edition of Brave New World that тАШas political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.тАЩ
(Libido Dominandi) explains how the rhetoric of sexual freedom was used to engineer a system of covert political and social control. Over the course of the two-hundred-year span covered by this book, the development of technologies of communication, reproduction, and psychic control - including psychotherapy, behaviorism, advertising, sensitivity training, pornography, and plain old blackmail - allowed the Enlightenment and its heirs to turn Augustine's insight on its head and create masters out of men's vices. Libido Dominandi is the story of how that happened."
While Jim's lifestyle may have been considered hedonistic I don't believe he literally was. Everything was changing so quickly then. He had a very high IQ and basically no fatherly role model or guidance to support him. I actually met Jim at one of his concerts.
He was about as hedonistic as it gets, according to bandmates, lovers and friends. But he wasn't much different than any of the other hedonists, and he became a big drunk/druggie/addict, so that ruined his art anyway.
OK then. Look up Tavistock's involvement in creating the Beatles. Just for chuckles.
Been there, seen it. Doesn't diminish the music or their talent. I also believe OG Paul was gone in '66.
Paul died, creatively speaking, with the production and release of "Silly Love Songs" in 1976.
The death knell heard round the world.
The Paul we have now looks like an old lesbian. LOL.
Plato wrote that the introduction of a new from of music was a very big deal - one that could destroy a culture. Rock is the music of impulse and sexuality. Dionysius unbound. Our culture was Apollonian, but that dying now because of Rock and its successors, Rap and Hip Hop. They're even beginning to integrate Country. We're not even allowed to have our own Dionysian culture, be it traditional or new. Rock didn't die - it was simply replaced.
Except Rap is not music. Anyone listening to it unless deaf dumb and blind can hear the dystopian demonic disgusting lyrics.
I just don't believe that a group of uneducated teenagers into hanging out in taverns could write 200+ brilliant songs in the space of a couple of years. But that's me.
The current Paul is an imposter? They replaced Sister Lucia too.
No, a car accident in '66. Look closely at pictures after that you can see the differences. Billy Shears as FAUL. Who is sister Lucia?
Pretty sure the Beatles were a beta test of mass cultural manipulation. The late Quincy Jones said words to the effect that they weren't musicians, before retracting his statement.
The WHO were way WAY ***WAY*** better.
Nailed it. Bob Dylan admitted he sold his soul to the devil.
Whoops.
Yes - I'm of that generation, too, and saw that myself long ago.
I'm a member of that same generation and remember when NPR turned cutesy with the introduction of "All Things Considered" in the late '70's. I stopped listening after that but still believed in PBS. Then in 2003, quite by chance, I stumbled across alt-media. It was nearly all micro-radio and shortwave back then (World Wide Christian Radio, a vast shortwave operation based in Nashville TN, carried many of the programs). But it didn't take off until years later with the Internet, and now X, and many have yet to catch up.
I was already 60-ish and set in my ways but not too set to recognize the truth when it smacks me upside the head.
Not all of us are. I'm 70 y.o. and know many my age who are conservatives and Trump supporters. Depends on where part of the country you live in. I live in the South where most folks are conservative. In 2020, my county voted 96% for Trump and we have many people my age here.
Absolutely. I think we're talking more about the loudest mouths, and the ones that rose to the top of the money chain. They tend to be libs.
+1 If they're PBS and *ew York Times fans, they're probably multiply jabbed and boosted =D
*wheeling in the sky*
ЁЯСОЁЯдвЁЯдо I myself can't find who I was responding to here bc they play musical comments. ЁЯСО
ThatтАЩs definitely the case for my parents (77 and 78). TheyтАЩve been playing the cool kids all their lives. My mother refers to herself as Betty Dancer. When my step-dadтАЩs middle child decided in his 40s to fly to Thailand and become a тАШwomanтАЩ my parents were beside themselves with joy. TheyтАЩre social cache with their crowd went thru the roof. It was like that Harry Potter scene тАЬwe have a witch in the family!тАЭ
That reference puts me in an unfavorable light. IтАЩm ok with that. If Kevin wants to live as a person called Vivian thatтАЩs fine. HeтАЩs not a woman but whatever. Vivian just ran for a CO state senate position and lost. But the campaign picture showed a happy smile.
My sister married a man who at the time was considering transitioning. He put that aside for a while and tried. DidnтАЩt work. He eventually decided he really needed to live as a woman. I hear my former BIL married a biological woman and is also happy, though with a very different personality.
My sister rabidly defends both his choice and her support of it. SheтАЩs quite preachy about the issue. And sheтАЩs been alone and desperately lonely with her liberal orthodoxy ever since. She seems righteously outraged a lot. And so rigid she disallows any discussion that might lead to a politics or religion. She changes the subject or begins spouting whateverтАЩs allowed in the permission structure of her thought bubble on the given day. SheтАЩs my sis and sheтАЩs lonely so I just smile.
None of them understand why IтАЩd worship Jesus or vote Trump. They wonder how I managed to wander so far off the reservation. But they all seem to appreciate my ability to love them with compassion. I have a deep sense of peace grounded in living a life of simple faith here in reality. I wish them (and everyone) that simple peace and fulfillment.
Bless you for sticking to your guns and being who you are. I find most liberals to be miserable, because they are stuck in an impossibly grotesque mindset. No trans-widow is "happy" for them. They are told they have to be or they are a terrible person. I will guarantee that the vast majority of trans widows are heavily codependent. Trans widows who recovered or escaped, etc. have spoken on shows I watch, and it's pretty heartbreaking what they go through. First of all, TIMs (trans identified males who play at being women) are most often autogynophiles and/or narcissists, so while they are transing they torture their female partners emotionally and mentally like nobody's business. Then they leave them and the woman is supposed to understand.
I would give that asshole the heave-ho and never talk to him again. I mean, really? Why would any woman entertain this idiotic delusion? But they do. Whatever. I am hoping this presidency spells the end to some of the damage the LGBTQ++++++++ "community" were able to do.
My mil was one of them and my fatherтАЩs side of the family. All of them. Of course they are highly educated professionals. IтАЩm the black sheep as my father was. He was a republican in a sea of liberal commie democrats. IтАЩm not being facetious and they all live in California, Massachusetts or New Mexico.
"IтАЩm the black sheep"
You gotta be an outsider to see what's really up.
My mamma (1914-2005) didnтАЩt dull the lead on one pencil all the years she voted. She was a Yellow Dog Democrat and proud of it. тАЬI only keep living to cancel your vote,тАЭ she told me. Progressive meant something else for her, but had she lived, even she would have been disgusted by their bullshit.
Bingo Gringo!