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Freedom 4 conservatives's avatar

Americans just won one battle against the Fascist/Socialists and Communist/Socialists determined to destroy America that now control the Democrat Party. Unfortunately Socialists are like cockroaches--they are good at breeding and at destroying stuff, but not good for anything else. And, just like cockroaches, getting rid of Socialists and their unending destruction is a long-term battle. But November 5th was a start.

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Cheryl's avatar

Won the battle, not the war but I sure woke up excited for our future

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Conservatives forgot what real conservatism is and ended up sounding like you, dividing and dogmatic nonsense like calling other working class people cockroaches. That statement reminds me of a certain fascist nation... 😂

Y'all love Reagan but forget that the real last great conservative was Eisenhower. He was from the military unlike the later chicken hawks of the DemoCRIPS and RepubliBLOODS gangs.

https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/428569524/Dwight-D-Eisenhower

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-the-GOP-and-conservatives-idolize-Eisenhower-the-same-way-they-do-with-Reagan-Isnt-Ike-more-of-a-pragmatic-conservative

And guess what he did? Everything opposite to that corporate actor, Reagan.

-high corporate taxes, which made them reinvest in labor and equipment instead of ca$h out (remember dummies, companies only pay taxes on profits they extract, so lowering taxes like Reagan did actually incentivizes companies to shut down factories)

-government projects like the Eisenhower interstate system (private markets don't give a shit to fix infrastructure, only to profit from it)

And so on.

Where did the real pro American conservatives go?

Same place where the real liberals went....

To fake bullshit presidents like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama.... And we will see if Trump actually drains the swamp as he filled it with neocon assholes last time.

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Lugh's avatar

Yes, Eisenhower who killed hundreds of thousands of German POW's, "letting" them die of exposure. At least he deported a million Mexicans in operation Wetback. And gave the MIC speech. Some small reparations for serving the Military Industrial Complex all of his life as a stooge to his handler, Bernard Baruch.

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Outsider's avatar

Rob, good points about the advantages of high corporate taxes that I'd never thought much about. Wasn't the top rate 90% under Ike, which JFK lowered to 70%? You can't keep lowering taxes, as Trump promises to do, without further exploding our multi-trillion-dollar deficit - especially as the country is about to lose its perch as the world's Reserve Currency. Only economic idiots could think that Trump's campaign promises of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security are good ideas.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Last I remember the corporate tax was 90% only above a certain amount... I think that's fair and if we had that today, high profit margin companies like Apple would not be able to hoard so much cash or funnel it out to shareholders.

Taxing tips is relatively new, the neocon Reagan did that so he could cut corporate and capital gains taxes. It's crazy, we're one of the few countries that pays some service workers less than minimum wage and assumes tipping. This shifts the burden onto the customers and off the owners of the restaurants...

As for the debt, I've always asked since high school as to who do we owe this to? The bankers and the wealthy. It's basically a way to sell off the government to finance! It's also how wars can get easy funding with the tab pushed onto the majority of Americans who get Jack shit from the industrial military complex's money pit.

I found it especially funny that the patriot missile system that we sent to Ukraine is such a piece of shit, still running on the same hardware that it did during Bush's first Iraq war. It was also notoriously unreliable back then as it is now in Ukraine and the tech behind the so called "iron dome" that Israel uses.

Meanwhile, Yemen is beating the US military with cheap drones and Iran was able to get past the iron dome with normal weapons.

They also supposedly have hypersonic weapons developed by Russia (and China??).

It shows how we are a failed empire because instead of actual productive work, we waste most of our money on corporate welfare that they cash out via stock buybacks and profits.

Perhaps the cause of all this is the tax cuts which made it easier to extract wealth from companies instead of using it to improve tech and working conditions... Cough Boeing 😂

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Lugh's avatar

We want to run War as a money making business. Thus real nations, Fascist or National Socialist, can defeat us in the end.

Capitalism/Communism are about matter. Fascism/National Socialism are about Man.

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Curranmjc@gmail.com's avatar

Agree on some taxes. How about lowering spend by making it more efficient? EVERY household and business has to do that. Now let’s modernize our government. I don’t know if there’s $2T there as Elon estimates, but a 4-12 year halt in the rise of spending while improving services will help the deficit enormously.

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messianicdruid's avatar

Martin Armstrong doesn’t agree with you.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Ok? So what would he say instead?

I've seen his show and he's alright but naive...

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messianicdruid's avatar

Income tax bad, tariffs good. People with 20% more to spend will stimulate thangs.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

It's a war that never ends, but we should definitely celebrate won battles.

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carily myers's avatar

agree

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Christopher Burrell's avatar

Your enemies are also made in the image of God. You should pray for their repentance and salvation, not their destruction. Vengeance belongs to the Lord. He will repay.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Socialism is a fatal disease for a society.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

But you'll gladly collect social security and Medicare when the time comes.

Remember, even Ayn Rand lived on welfare.

Practice what you preach.

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RevMikeyMac's avatar

Many of us would gladly stop being part of Medicare and Social Security. The problem is, the government won't let us...

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

You think it's safer to put your money in a 401k? Tell that to the people who were retiring around 2008. One of my coworkers saw his 401k cut in half. Before then, he was trying to convince me to put more in mine. I couldn't afford it cause I didn't have the disposable income. He bought his house before the prices skyrocketed since the 2000s...

Where did his 401k money go when he lost?

In the casino called Wall Street, the house always wins. The house is the big firms that can sway markets just by volume.

As much as social security sucks (compared to the systems in Europe), it's miles ahead of gambling and you'll appreciate it if you ever face a manufactured market crash where the crony bankers rob you.

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Moistened Bint's avatar

Don't even get me started about 401ks and the Wall Street Casino. I've preached on this before.

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Moistened Bint's avatar

Oh, and anybody who disputes this, take a Statistics course.

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Beth Nicolaides's avatar

I don't know about you, but I have paid a lot of FICO tax. After seeing so many corporations and people on the public dole, I am goddamn sure to want my money back the second I turn 62.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Yeah, these people that say that SSA is welfare seem to forget we pay our way with FICO taxes every day we work. One of the biggest reasons that SSa is in financial trouble is the enormous number of people, mainly men, that have learned to survive on welfare, 7-8 million of them. They do not work, do not pay income or FICO taxes, and are helping take down SSA. They will then complain when they turn 62, where is my SSA?

They are a huge indication of the cesspool this country has put itself into. Trump is just step one, now we will see if any good is left in the country.

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Patrick D. Grengs II's avatar

I will be one of those gladly in receipt of the $280,000 that was confiscated from my income over the past 35 years. That is $280k that I could have better invested in my own enterprises. Ayn Rand lived on the proceeds from the sale of her books, newsletters, and, like myself, funds returned that had been confiscated. Socialism is the creed of envy.

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Lugh's avatar

Preach. Libertarianism is a mind virus. All viable societies have elements of both individualism and communalism. Maggie Thatcher brightened when an interviewer "got it" saying: So society doesn't really exist? Mags: Yes!

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Patrick D. Grengs II's avatar

How does society change an invalid's shitty diaper? Society is a concept. An individual has no more of a right to health care than an individual has a right to a blow job. At the bottom of it, you only have individuals. They are either acting in their own self interest in a voluntary relationship, or they are behaving under threat, overt or covert, of violence.

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Lugh's avatar

Yes, people often see it in their best interest not to pay their debts. Will a weak State be able to make them do it, as the Iron lady believed? Not for very long. People will make their own justice against with shotguns and knives. Are you up for that Herr Grengs?

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Lugh's avatar

American Capitalism is a Culture of Death. Everyplace that adopts it begins to die. Consumerism, Careerism, and Feminism - the trifecta of sterility. Compare sterile South Korea with the virile North that jus sent 10,000 troops to assist Emperor Vlad in the blood lands of central Europe.

Conservatives conserve nothing except possibly their own portfolios. And the big guys are just pretending. They know it's a crock.

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