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Hillary Clinton sure got her money’s worth with the Fusion GPS deal: it induced a three-year psychotic break in the body politic, destroyed the legitimacy of federal law enforcement, turned a once-proud, free, and rational press into an infernal engine of bad faith, and is finally leading her Democratic Party to an ignominious suicide. And the damage is far from complete. It’s even possible that Mrs. Clinton will return to personally escort the party over the cliff when, as is rumored lately, she jumps into the primary contest and snatches the gonfalon of leadership from the ailing old man of the sclerotic status quo, Uncle Joe Biden.
The citizens of this foundering polity have been subjected to a stunning doubleheader of political spectacle clear through the week. On Monday, the Horowitz Report was briefly celebrated by the Left for claiming “no bias” and a “reasonable predicate” for the RussiaGate mess — until auditors actually got to read the 400-plus-page document and discovered that it was absolutely stuffed with incriminating details that Mr. Horowitz was too polite, too coy, or too faint-hearted to identify as acts worthy of referral for prosecution.
Mr. Barr, the attorney general, and US attorney John Durham immediately stepped up to set the record straight, namely, that this was hardly the end of the matter and that they were privy to fact-trains of evidence that would lead, by-and-by, to a quite different conclusion. This reality-test was greeted, of course, with shrieking for their dismissal from the Jacobin Left. But then at mid-week, Mr. Horowitz put in a personal appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee and left no doubt that entire RussiaGate extravaganza was spawned by Fusion GPS’s utterly false Steele dossier and the so-called “Intel Community’s” zeal for weaponizing it to overthrow the president.
The shock-waves from all that still pulsate through the disordered collective consciousness of this sore-beset republic, and will disturb the sleep of many former and current officials for months to come as the specter of Barr & Durham transmutes into a nightmare of Hammer & Tongs, perp-walks, and actual prosecutions. The utter falsity of the Steele dossier seems not to have yet penetrated the minds of Dean Baquet and Martin Baron, editors of The New York Times and The Washington Post, the head cheerleaders for the seditious coup by the security state. Their obdurate mendacity can no longer be attributed to a simple quest for clicks and eyeballs. It speaks to a sickness of mind that has infected the whole thinking class of America as it succumbed to the ultimate smashing of boundaries: the one between what is real and what is not real (or what is true and what is not true.)
All the week long, the Horowitz Report and its aftershocks were attended by the impeachment show in Jerrold Nadler’s House Judiciary Committee — an exercise so devoid of sense and prudence that it would embarrass all the kangaroos ever assembled in the courts of legend. As I write early Friday morning, Mr. Nadler’s majority is preparing to report out two dubious articles of impeachment: “abuse of power” and “contempt of congress.” As is always the case with the Resistance, Mr. Nadler’s posse is projecting on its enemy the very offenses it commits. One senses that the voters are seeing through this feeble hocus-pocus, and that even members of the greater Democratic caucus in the house may be getting the heebie-jeebies about staking their political futures on a vote for this idiocy.
A trial in the senate would be a ripe entertainment fer sure! Bring it on! For one thing, the procedure would ascertain finally that Mr. Eric Ciaramella does not qualify as a “whistleblower” but is rather a rogue CIA agent (from a rogue agency) helping to carry out a seditious conspiracy. The defense should call him to the stand, along with his enabler Michael Atkinson, the “Intel Community” Inspector General who flouted and altered the rules in the whistleblower ploy — and who, by the way, was formerly at the center of the RussiaGate mess when he worked as chief counsel to then assistant attorney general John P. Carlin, one of the instigators of the “Crossfire Hurricane” overture to RussiaGate. It could benefit the nation to hear testimony from shrinking violet Gina Haspel, the current CIA Director nobody has ever heard of. What does she know about Mr. Ciaramella’s role in this melodrama, who detailed him to the National Security Council, who supervised him, and who exactly were his associates?
And, of course, not a few fair-minded people would be interested to hear from Rep. Adam Schiff, who engineered the “whistleblower’s” entry into his concocted UkraineGate sequel to the now discredited RussiaGate ruse. Get Mr. Schiff under oath. He is almost certain to lie about his activities, and that will certainly get him expelled from congress in disgrace, along with losing his license to practice law. Bring in Hunter Biden and ask him to explain whether he was busted for crack cocaine in a rent-a-car before-or-after he was hired to serve on the board of directors of a Ukrainian gas company. Bring in Lt. Col. Vindman, bring in Daniel Goldman, bring them all in and compel their testimony under penalty of perjury. This will eventually get America right in its weakened mind.
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Once again the broken record refuses to skip off its tiresome track and discuss the crimes that the horrendous trump has committed. The evidence is so plain that in a saner time there would be no discussion.
I am disappointed in the Dems, however. Only 2 articles?? There are 8 or more that this piss-begotten schlump has committed. Or perhaps let’s make it the 12 days of Christmas?
P.S. Is Matt Gaetz the stupidest individual ever to hold ANY office ANYWHERE? He is in a class by himself.
Your disappointment will only deepen. The Democrats have foolishly expended all their ammunition, and are being reduced to howling. The criminals at the center of this fiasco are being methodically exposed and cornered.
Howl baby howl!!
The are lots of people I would like to see cuffed and perp-walked, but the arrogant Jim Comey is at the top of the list.
As Ray McGovern mentions in this article, that Comey must have felt awfully sure of himself when he actually allowed the crooked company “Crowdstrike” to do the investigation of the “hacked” DNC servers:
“We all felt certain that Hillary Clinton would be the next president”.
Right. And rather than be indicted you would be getting promotions.
I think Hillary Clinton, Jim Comey, Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Samantha Power (she unmasked hundreds of Americans), John Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Page, Strozk and scores more at the FBI/Justice Department are sweating big time right now wondering just how deep the Barr/Durham investigation will go.
Deep enough to drain the swamp I hope.
Here is the McGovern article on Comey, Crowdstrike and the DNC:
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/06/17/fbi-never-saw-crowdstrike-unredacted-or-final-report-on-alleged-russian-hacking-because-none-was-produced/
Broken record?
To me it seems like incisive and much needed commentary, with rare insight not found in too many other places, ‘specially in the MSM out of DC and NY.
Brh
Incisive indeed BRH! This is why those of us that can think come here to read Mr. K’s analysis although we may have to suffer through the Loony Leftist Deniers. Surely we must exercise patience with them however, because they are doing the best that they can despite severe and limiting emotional issues. Must suck to be them.
I actually read an article today written by a psychotherapist who has been seeing LOTS of patients with “Trump Anxiety Syndrome”.
She says this patients say they can be “triggered” by so much as a glance! at Trump on TV! Their blood pressure goes to dangerously high levels and some need medication to cope!
I hope Trump gets re-elected just to see if the American Psychiatric Association has to formally add “Trump Anxiety Syndrome” to their list of legitimate mental disorders.
Maybe if we laugh at these “patients” loud enough they will all just snap out of it!
Hey, I lived through 8 years of Barry O and still managed to retain my dignity! Thanks abbybwood, it is always good to see that we are not alone!
I think this kind of lunacy has been with us for a very long time. In the past however , it was largely harmless, and often associated with religous ferver. Today’s TDS afflicted leftists no longer believe in God though. They kneel at the alter of Neo-Marxisim , and pathalogical altruism. There is an historical plaque in downtown Raleigh NC , that sums up this mindset perfectly. It commmerates the first American Methodist missionary to Africa, and at the bottom of the Plaque, it quotes him ” Let a thousand fall , before Africa be given up”.
No. Kunsler is a broken record. Both parties suck rotten eggs.
Amen!!! The President of these United States asks a foreign government to investigate a political rival. On a phone call and in front of cameras. Then obstructs the investigation by refusing to let people with first hand knowledge to testify.
The only thing Joe Biden is a political rival to is AARP and causes related to fund raising for dementia.
That and using political office and power to extort money from a foreign government.
Nice talking points. Trump asked the leader of another country to investigate corruption in that country, per a 1999 treaty. Part of the potential corruption was Hunter Biden’s term as a director of Burisma, when he had no experience in oil or natural gas, or any other business other than buying cocaine and lap dances. Another part is Joe Biden’s bragging about getting Ukraine’s AG fired after threatening to withhold $1 billion in six money unless the AG was canned. Part of it is the mysterious disappearance of another $7 billion in foreign aid money that had been sent to Ukraine while the sainted Barry Soetoro was in the White House, lecturing Willard Romney about how Russia isn’t really a threat to American democracy. Then there is the joint effort of Civil Society 2.0, a joint effort of Democrat plutocrats, elements of the State Department, and insurrectionists to undermine existing governments; in Ukraine, this included an anti-corruption bureau that was even more corrupt than the existing government. That’s all to be ignored because you personally hate Trump?
If Donald Trump was the president, then what was Joe? He couldn’t have been VP, right?
Political rival?
On the other hand, spying on the Trump campaign, and then on the incoming president, that I would consider investigating a political rival.
Wow, Uncle Bob, you nailed it right there.
Very forceful, well put!
Brh
P.S. You may want to reconsider your donation to Soros’ plethora of causes. The Resistance just ain’t workin Plennie but the old man keeps getting richer and richer and richer anyway. And you have to shoulder this burden clearly. So free your mind!
It’s working with the Milennials, and it’s working overseas under the rubric of Civil Society 2.0.
No it isn’t. Much of what is promoted as consensus is complete BS. Along with most anything else that comes from the MSM. It’s psychological warfare on steroids.
Seriously… it’s more like we are seeing the Nazification of America by the left…. you know…. loss of free speech at the universities, and in the media, restricting due process as in the coup induced impeachment, cancel culture, etc.
Not to mention the death of the Fourth Amendment: If the Feebs can conduct illegal wiretaps against the President, members of Congress, and attorneys, and falsify documents for FISA courts, what’s to stop them from doing the same (or worse) against run-of-the-mill Americans? Who would’ve ever thought the FBI would become like the NKVD/KGB, Gestapo, or Stasi?
I have a friend, a true old time Leftist, who has for decades been the biggest critic of the FBI.
BTW, she is a supporter of the Second Amendment. Who wants the FBI to have all the guns?
Yes, one of the most significant movements in America is the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary County movement.
Virginia has just denied the right of patriots to meet together and train with firearms. It may begin in the Old Dominion….
Let’s not forget that pond scum Adam Schiff getting a subpoena for the phone records of journalist John Solomon and others.
Schiff really does need to be removed from Congress and needs to lose his law license for perjury and illegally spying on the media.
He has a strong primary challenger. If Barr/Durham don’t get the job done, hopefully she will.
Reminds me of the hoards of “snowflakes” who were literally pounding on the doors of the room where Kavanaugh was being sworn in to The Supreme Court.
The tears! The gnashing of teeth!
America, we have a serious problem, and it ain’t Trump!
Crimes there have been zero crimes accounted for by Trump in spite of three years of shrill cries to impeach.
His only real crime is he actually fights back when people attack him.
You should be disappointed that the Democrats are feckless and stupid nothing more.
This crass affair highlights the DEMOCRAT ends justify the means mentality.
It is truly amazing. In the Mueller sham alone we had a team of handpicked anti-Trump lawyers (including the incredibly corrupt Andrew Weissman) who were unable to uncover ANYTHING in 2.5 years of investigation.
Let that sink in.
“Hillary Clinton sure got her money’s worth with the Fusion GPS deal: it induced a three-year psychotic break in the body politic, destroyed the legitimacy of federal law enforcement, turned a once-proud, free, and rational press into an infernal engine of bad faith, and is finally leading her Democratic Party to an ignominious suicide.”
You forgot one….Turning JHK a once mild mannered writer into a raving lunatic.
Hey, Pokercat — too lazy to offer a bill of particulars? As I said, the Jacobins always project their own shortcomings and bad faith on their enemies. And be sure: I am your enemy — JHK Admin
Again with the nonsense and name calling.
Do you have anything else in that very small bag of tricks?
You sure can’t refute anything he posted in fact all it would take is a small amount of effort on your part to actually realize he is 100% correct and your opinion is 100% wrong.
He’s over the target. He’s catching the flak.
Actually, it seems to be a Universal. Psychopaths always accuse others of exactly what they are guilty of. The banality of evil? Or a weird lack of creativity caused by the last vestiges of conscience?
I guess it is because people who are not well put together act from their subconscious a lot, and the subconscious knows the score.
“And be sure: I am your enemy ”
Pokercat,
To paraphrase Johnny Cash…”…May the Admin never show you the back of their hand…”
Truly uncanny how that works. I know a lot of once mild mannered people who have become raving lunatics.
If you’re not being sarcastic, I hope you own a gun. Use it. You probably don’t have any family members or friends, as most sick fucks don’t, but if there is someone out there that is somehow associated with you, someone whose reputation could be harmed by being associated with you, use the gun. Do at least one thing right in your life. Nobody deserves the humiliation of having been associated with you.
But, on the other hand, if you’re just being sarcastic, great job!
@ Plennie_Wingo
[sounds like Spokaloo for Plenty Wood… MT]
literally almost RFLMAO !’
Question ~?~
If a given objective somewhere in time and space was to crash a system, what do ya suppose would be a description of optimum timing for such an event?
I’m thinkin’ that the best time to take down a system is when it’s energy reserves are at their minimum…
…which could be interpreted to infer that there’s a small bit of time left.
How on that?
~toktomi~
If Trump committed crimes, why aren’t the Dems impeaching him for them? Are the Dems just such incompetent boobs that they can’t do their job?
They are physically, mentally, and morally decrepit and bankrupt.
Look at them! Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff. They look like Dick Tracy cartoon villains.
Look at the conditions in Nancy’s hometown.
How brazen do you have to be, to make removing the elected president your priority, when the whole world can see what you are really up to.
that is what desperation looks like, and probably how it smells.
Remember the gerontocracy that ran the USSR in the years prior to its collapse? Just sayin’.
Holy shit Beryl, well said! If you don’t mind I am going to save that and use it frequently. When a piece of shit stands up on a soap box and calls out another piece of shit for being exactly what the original piece of shit is, well no one should care, no one should listen. After all, it’s all shit.
I am afraid the Dems in Congress who are playing along with this political charade (and that’s what it is), ALL have Trump Derangement Syndrome (or Trump Anxiety Syndrome as actual psychotherapists are calling it).
Trump is literally driving all the Democrats NUTS (including my ex!).
If Trump wins re-election in a landslide between the cra-cra Dems and the propaganda MSM, there simply won’t be enough straight jackets to go around!
Yes. Also a good idea, when, not if, Trump wins re-election by a landslide, to get long MAM. They have 11% market share of baby pacifiers. Sales should go vertical.
I think it’s very unlikely at this point that Hillary Clinton will run for president. The deadline for entering the primaries in the “Super Tuesday” states either has already passed or will very soon pass. I know that a re-match between The Hillary and The Donald would be the contest that would certainly launch a thousand blog-posts, but that doesn’t mean it will actually happen. 🙂
Hillary can walk into a hung convention and take over. She does not even have to run the gauntlet to get nominated. The brainwashed Dems would rally around her as the great savior. Remember what the DNC and HRC did to Bernie in 2016.
Which Trump would just salivate over.
Swamp Gorgon Hillary may feel forced to run yet again (well, waddle, to be more accurate about it) because it would grant her immunity from any prosecution of the crimes Barr & Durham uncover.
The MSM would likely rule that any mention of her complicity in Russiagate is out of bounds, and any attempt to hold her accountable would be branded as Trump’s nefarious agents working to thwart Bad Orange Man’s pure-as-snow political opponent.
The Witch did more than just manipulate Russia for the 2016 election and the Russia gate operation. She sold them controlling interest in our uranium supply.
WTH?!?!
Just a reminder. Whatever Hillary did, Obama did too.
Hmmmmm, I doubt Barry did Huma Abadin.
Wait until you find out about Obama and Operation Timber Sycamore.
Well Nightowl, both the NY Times and Wikipedia acknowledge it so it doesn’t appear to be only a conspiracy theory. Nope, it is just how America carries out foreign policy. The tail wags the dog.
Well, I have my doubts about that scenario, but if it goes down that way seven months from now, you can be sure I’ll say, “I’ll be dipped, JohnAZ, you were right, after all!”
My counter-prediction is that if your prediction comes true, the non-brainwashed Dems will be like, “Bye-byeee, for good, this time!”
Two words: brokered convention. One additional word: superdelegate. Saves the Queen from all those messy primaries and the nasty turdslinging by the lower primates, setting up a mano a mano winner take all cage match for the belt next fall. I hear they’re going for PPV this time.
I wouldn’t count Andrew Cuomo out at this point.
Well, given that she cannot win anyway (given there’ been a campaign that respected the rules) putting her up means that the ‘left’ has given up.
Himself gets re-elected. What a feat! (Can you not imagine the orgasm-like gushes of tweets ?). The bilious bullying of any-fecking-body he wants to.
Think the 3 years have been intolerable? Well, the ‘wearing down plan’ is working… but if you can still remember what life was like before that fecking escalator ride, then just think where another 3 years of this insanity could -and probably will -take us.
If she gets rejected twice then I think that will be it. She will transform into her true self. Did you ever see Mecha-Streisand on South Park? If not here she is lol.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/1/1a/Mecha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160409133315
This is something like what Hillary will be after her second loss to the Donald :-P.
You left out her humiliating loss to the Magic Negro in 2008, so there’s that, too.
But don’t count her out after next November if she runs against the Bad Orange Man again and belly-flops. In 2024, she will be younger than Bernie is now, practically a nymphet in Democrat party circles.
But we will have several more years to endure of her kvetching and whining on TV chat shows until her eventual electoral triumph.
There was good reason to think that The Hillary was in poor health during 2016, and that situation may not have improved. Just something to consider. 🙂
Remember that collapse that we weren’t supposed to see?
The only reason she (or her team) refused the NYPD’s protocol (straight to the nearest emergency room) was because they couldn’t afford to have word of her actual condition leak out.
Think about it. You are with someone who shows signs of something gone terribly wrong. She can’t even stand up on her own.
You refuse the offer to take her to the hospital? Nobody does that. I would not allow that to happen to anyone I knew, when she was in that state.
The only possible conclusion is that these people already knew what her problem was.
Hillary may have cleaned up her act since then (quit drinking) but you don’t bounce back to good health at her age.
She still is. She had another coughing fit in a recent interview.
If she runs, it will be based purely on malignant narcissistic injury/rage, and we will be in for fireworks of all sorts.
LOL Magic Negro! I love that one too! The Magic Negro who was able to get a Noble Peace Prize for being Negro. What an accomplishment!
Ooopsie lol – You know what – maybe we should reword it to Magic Half Negro. I know he hated his Caucasian ancestry but it was there unless he was lying about who his Momma was too!
Yes, one of his first acts as President was ordering a drone strike against a Muslim wedding. The Nobel people lost a lot of credibility with that one. The fools didn’t even wait for him to get into office – so it had to be because of his negritude and leftism.
Obama’s award definitely cheapened the Nobel Peace Prize.
Don’t forget the Magic Negro’s planned villa on Cape Cod…one of the prime targets for the Thunberg/Cortez climate apocalypse
Did you hear Rush’s song, “Barack the Magic Negro” to the tune of Puff the Magic Dragon?
Yes :-)! Wasn’t that awesome lol!? From the perspective of the Hood, Barack was the Magic Negro because he could go where no Black Man could go before. And that is because he isn’t an authentic Negro but something more like a House Negro.
Michelle Obama will save the day! This way Barack can have a third term.
They already have their summer retreat bought and paid for on Martha’s Vineyard.
Don’t laugh.
what does HRC have to lose? nothing..
the demo candidates are weak.. their base isn’t finding any of the frontrunners very palatable..
HRC would again bring people literally out of the woodwork to vote against her.. and thank Glob for it!
their base isn’t finding any of the frontrunners very palatable
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. You would probably see a lot more momentum behind Sanders if Warren hadn’t drawn off the folks who want the next Dem prez to have a hoo-ha instead of a pee-pee. Biden is losing his marbles and might not be able to go the distance. However, if the first two or even all three of them insist on taking it all the way to the convention floor (Biden has the Boomer and Xer southerners who will probably back him no matter how senile he is), then maybe I can imagine JohnAZ’s “brokered convention” scenario going down.
“You would probably see a lot more momentum behind Sanders if Warren hadn’t drawn off the folks who want the next Dem prez to have a hoo-ha instead of a pee-pee.”
ha ha, you are probably right about that one..
Bernie and Warren together hold 40% of the current polling. When one retires from the race the other will likely pick up those votes and Uncle Joe will wonder off into the offices of some Delaware Corporation that has owned him for years. Then Dems will have an actual progressive front runner that will cause establishment heads to explode.
haha they are establishment.
Warren has never been and never will be a “Progressive”.
Same for Buttigieg whom progressives have been chasing around NYC the past few days trying to catch him at one of his swank Wall Street fundraisers.
Mr. “Rhodes Scholar” in honor of the racist and pedophiliac Cecil Rhodes. Cory Booker and Bill Clinton also “Rhodes Scholars”.
Google it.
Sorry , abbywood
but you’ve got Pocahontas wrong. She is authentic and committed. She is not corrupt. I say this despite fully expecting to be overwhelmed by the RWNJ Chapter hereabouts with proof of my error.
I’m not expecting to have to spend too long debunking any such evidence (an informal holiday project, mayhaps?)
I wish I could find similar passion for Boris, but at least he hasn’t -as yet – tried to grow a toxically cultivated Nationalist pool of voters which, in most bars I’ve ever been to on a regular basis, would have been found, judged post facto,.
She might be an authentic Marxist and is even espousing some of the 10 planks of communism in her daily rantings.
What she is all together is a liar and a cheat.
Now the liar part is no big deal as she is a politician and they all lie but the cheat well now there is a bigger problem.
She keeps getting caught and exposed and most people don’t like cheaters compound that with being a stupid liar and her political legs keep getting shorter.
Benr – as expected, you accuse her of precisely the behaviour your Golden Calf, Himself, is most guilty of. Why the double standard? Or is it that you can’t even see it?
@majella
Marxist…
Liar…
Cheat…
What part of this is confusing you?
I should add in fake Lizzy Warren is about as authentic as a three dollar bill.
yeah..
..and if HRC gets back in (that’s my money)… Hillary/Warren ticket? I could imagine it
This Hillary Resurrection meme is taking a hold hereabouts. It won’t happen.
The negatives far out weight the positives.
For once I agree with Majella it won’t happen.
The fact she behaved so badly after her loss points to that as her ego could not take another public loss.
I have a new theory. That perhaps JHK will comment on. Here goes. 1. Trump intentionally baited Dem,Libs into investigating the Ukraine business by letting so many people listen to the phone call . I always thought the presidents call were confidential , but not this one.
2. Trump knew if enough people listened to it they would run with it and make something criminal out of it. Trump knows the DemoRats are desperate for anything they could hang on him . So he gave them something.
3. He releases a transcript of the call. When has a President ever released a transcript of a phone call? Deliberately wording his conversation so the it could be twisted into something it was not.
4. The plan works perfectly the DemoRats launch Impeachment that will drag Hillary, Obama, and Biden into the mess, and expose the Deep State. That is my new theory.
Absolutely a possibility.
A Yuge mistake by the Deep State and many CFNers is underestimating this man. He is a non-politician after all. Right?
Yeah right!
Gosh what a dream that would be! I really hope your theory is right. Trump is such a buffoon sometimes that I just don’t know about his planning capabilities anymore lol. But hey! I really want to believe that your theory is absolutely correct.
Buffoon?
Like a fox! The next two months are going to be the climax.
I want you to be correct! I prefer that he be a Fox and not a Buffoon for sure. That means he needs to go with his instincts and original commitments and forget about listening to any of these Swamp Monsters whether they are in his party or from anywhere else.
It doesn’t matter because he’s not our Fox. MIGA not MAGA is his real concern.
Yes, we can only hope at this point that some of his policies indirectly help us but we definitely are not getting what we need. Quite possibly his role now was simply to change the conversation. Before him and after Obama it was hard to believe MAGA could be real. And now we are still let down. But we know its possible. Its a worthy goal. Maybe he has set the stage for the real MAGA Man to swoop in. The real MAGA Man may just make MIGA Man go live where his real love is, in Jerusalem.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Here’s something people should consider when trying to comprehend Donald Trump. A quote from Jesse Jackson, from back when the “black community” admired The Donald:
“…he is deceptive in that his social style is of such, one can miss his seriousness and commitment to success, which is beyond argument.”
Here’s something Egypt’s president noted:
“… at one point, el-Sisi described Trump as “a unique personality that is capable of doing the impossible.”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/21/egyptian_president_el-sisi_calls_president_trump_a_unique_personality_capable_of_doing_the_impossible.html
To repeat an oft-used phrase SSL: To take Trump literally is foolish…not to take him seriously is more foolish.
Do you think he will surprise us? At this point I am hoping he is at least going to clean house with the Deep Staters. Heads do need to roll after this massive impeachment farce. If anything, his survival instinct should ensure we see at least some effort to take some of these rogue and unaccountable actors out of commission.
That only works if they conduct an actual trial. Unfortunately, both Trump and The Turtle (McConnell) seem intent on having the Senate vote to dismiss the charges. Most likely, this is because there would be too much collateral damage to too many important people, including Sen. Willard Romney, ex-Sen. John “Swiftboat” Kerry, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, and many members of the financial and corporate elites who benefit from sweetheart deals and international slush funds.
Exactly why there will never be a trial. The Republicans are part of the deep state too.
According to JMG, Trump does have a history of getting his way by creating a distraction that often successfully baits those who oppose him. And the #Resistance faction of the Democratic Party has become so blindly hysterical over the past three years, that I can imagine them being easy to distract and bait.
There are always scores of people on all the calls. Literally. Which includes several doing the transcripts.
Great theory!
However the central problem with it is that Himself doesn’t usually think more than one tweet ahead, so it’s a tall order to think he could plot so effective a strategy.
Occam’s Razor tells us he did it because…stupid.
Yet somehow he is three steps ahead of the Democrat mob?
I think you need to examine the situation and leave your emotions at the door.
Emotions? I’m not emotional about Himselr. Why would you even go there?
Because you have publicly stated your deep loathing of him and lets face it females are driven by emotion.
‘Females are driven by emotion’
Oh, THAT’S the problem! Finally, everything explained, just like that!
benr, you’re better than lowering yourself to such a cheap shot…aren’t you? I know you have a history of histrionic (but not at all emotional, right?) defenses of Himself which have, in the past, descended into puerile name-calling, but we’ve dropped ‘snarky’ haven’t we?
It just amazes me, over and over, how quickly the Dems stoop to name calling on anyone who disagrees with them. Is it because not having anything intelligent to say is integral to Left side thinking?
Not a threat, just fact. What goes around comes around. After 2020 in the US duplicates The UK vote, there is going to retribution all over DC.
It will be thrilling to watch. My hope is it will be end of the Left ward drift of the Democratic Party and that the party of the working people returns to its proper place , supporting the United States and protecting the working people of the US.
It is a measure of their insanity that Trump is perceived as the savior of the rust belt working class and received their vote in 2016. Think about it, by trying to crucify Trump, the Dems are betraying their own voter base.
One of the worst trends for the Dems is the erosion of their Brown base. The goodness of the economic growth on the economic prospects of these folks is shifting their allegiance. Remember the landslide by Reagan in 1884, we may have a repeat.
“After 2020 in the US duplicates The UK vote, there is going to retribution all over DC. ”
I hope you’re right! One commonality between the UK and the US is how the elites have been trying very hard to negate election results from both Brexit, and Trump 2016.
“One of the worst trends for the Dems is the erosion of their Brown base.”
There are many strong right wing/conservatives in the Hispanio/Mexicano community. I’d argue the majority of these people are completely misguided by the democrat party. For example, during the 2016 election, HRC’s Spanish speaking VP nominee Tim Kaine, gave speeches to Spanish speaking citizens called “Faith, Family & Work” (!!) HRC herself never, ever spoke to anybody that way, in any language.
LOL! I wonder if The Squad sat in on those speeches!
Ah but it seems we are at the margins of the real discussion that would need to happen here. Note that there is a “Brown base”. So color and ethnicity actually means something after all right? This is another direction in which things are going whether people acknowledge it or not. Just like Populism and Nationalism are rising, so are Identity movements. I consider it a going back to basics type of thing. Houses divided will not stand. First we go back to strong nation states. Then we go back to the very basics. That nation-states are established for the ethnicities that created them. Small steps but they are all definitely happening. In the end the Anglo/White and Hispanio/Mexicano “communities” are going to have to go their own ways. And if we are lucky we can find ways to work together after our borders have been established.
“Houses divided will not stand.”
yep.. civic nationalism used to be a ‘thing’ in the US, but it has all but disappeared.. so you are right!
If the US can’t figure out a way to exist as a unified people, then this thing is all over..
And the sooner we could collectively recognize this I think we have the opportunity to break up in a peaceful way. Situations are always easier to handle when they have not become a super crisis. But inertia is the name of the game in human affairs so unfortunately I think the reorganizing will be on a have to can’t wait anymore basis. That is when things are much less than ideal for sure. That’s why I will always bring it up among others here. Because truly we as a society need to deal with this now. As you can see the Left is committed to Identity based Politics and the Right always allows the Left to set the conversation and the rules of the game so we are where we are.
Figure it out? Like you mean order water to run uphill? We aren’t a united people because we aren’t of the same Race or Culture. I remind you that European immigrants had much in common that we don’t have in common with Blacks or Hispanics or the Tribe.
As much as Democrats want to racially tribalize our country, it’s not happening. White, brown, black, asian, we share a common culture. The only exception is a fringe of identification extremists at our universities and gutted out inner cities. The large support for Trump a mong black and brown Americns shows the tribalists are failing.
Sorry for my kindle ‘s bad spelling. Identitarian not identification.
There is no such thing as a common culture. If that were the case then why are hundreds of different languages spoken here and why does the government print all of its material in several different languages. Tribalism is a simple but real part of human nature. Civ. Nats. actually believe Race and Ethnicity have no meaning. That is just as illogical as the impeachment proceedings. This is all happening as your demographic is getting swamped by newcomers and your replacement is being baked in as you sing the praises of Multiculturalism and Multiracialism.
White, brown, black, asian, we share a common culture ? What; they all require oxygen to live?
ibs, the NFL- football was a common culture black and white America shared.
That’s why we’ve seen people like Kaepernick, egged on by his commie girlfriend, AND by Barack Obama, working hard to destroy that shared culture.
Management could have put a stop to his foolishness in a New York minute.
If you believe he “had the right”, as Barack Obama claimed, try that at your place of business. Go ahead, stage a little protest of your choosing. See what happens.
To share a common culture with Blacks, the bar has to be set very low indeed. Football answers this need. And it is easier to drag Whites down than raise Blacks up – Rap is proof of that.
And if Kaine was running as her VP, how sincere could he have been faith and family?
As it was revealed in one of the leaks, Colon Powell said everything she touches turns to shit because of her weird arrogance.
JohnAZ
Just on the offchance that you missed my reply this morning to your query, I posted it here:
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-war-of-the-narratives/#comment-457088
You should beware of thinking that the electoral situation in the UK and the US is a match. It’s much more nuanced than that. I take it you know that Boris Johnson is a pro-immigration Tory, just for starters (so SSL should calm down!).
And those who were talking towards the end of the previous thread about a conservative ‘movement’ seem to be unaware that the Tories have been in power since 2010 and that a decade of Tory austerity, meted out most obviously to the working poor, was a big part of the reason for the ‘fuck-you’ vote that was Brexit. People will lash out at what is nearest and immediately within reach, not necessarily at what is the actual source of their misery.
The election was thrown away by the narcissism of Jeremy Corbyn (who is more interested in being party leader than in his party having any hope of winning an election) and his Momentum cronies, every bit as much as it was won by the Tories. And note that the combined pro-Brexit parties only won 48% of the seats. Those who call that a ‘movement’ seem to be projecting.
Anyone who thinks the Conservative Party has the interests of the working class at heart needs to educate themselves. Which you will have the opportunity to do over the coming years, as will said working class.
The Tory party remains riven on Brexit. All they’ve agreed to is a withdrawal agreement, which will leave them still fighting through next year about where they/we are headed. Also note that the Brexit Party got NO SEATS. None, zilch. And that Nigel Farage spoiled his ballot paper rather than vote for Boris.
Note also that the Tories got six seats (out of 59) in Scotland (not that people on here seem even to have noticed that England is not even Britain, let alone the UK).
Lousy post Alba. How does your maxi-pad taste today?
RIB, why don’t you go find out what soap tastes like?
Sounds like someone should have taught you long ago.
And what about the African guys with no hands? Are you washing and feeding them? If not, why not? You cared so deeply…..
RIB, how can I put this? If you can’t formulate some thoughts with which to respond to someone’s post, you’d be better leaving it alone. You know that thing they say – better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and leave no doubt?
My inspired guess would be that you know even less about the issues surrounding Brexit than you do about the science of climate change.
My inspired advice would be to stop stalking me around the thread and spitting like an angry camel. It must be tedious for anyone reading and it’s like water off a duck’s back to me.
And I can’t be arsed finding out what a maxi-pad is – something overpriced manufactured by Apple?
No Alba, it’s something for a woman with a large vagina…
Thank you, sunburst, for confirming yet again that Americans and irony don’t make bosom buddies. 🙂
Sorry. I couldn’t resist it. I was also unaware of what RIB had said earlier…
Rib, Rib, Ribbit!
Thus croaked the malignant toad,
Seeking our notice.
Well if Boris Johnson is pro-immigration then you’re right Alba – I can’t like him and so I won’t get excited. That’s too bad but not a shocker by any stretch of the imagination. I suppose he is just a conversation changer like Trump. After all, The Real Deals are agressive, racist, and totally amazing and we will never have to worry about immigration again when they take power. Thank you for confirming your anti-immigration stance too! I’m so delighted to hear that we share more in common than I ever anticipated.
One thing we don’t seem to have in common is a tendency to respond to what people actually say, rather than what we’d like them to have said.
I said nothing about my stance on immigration one way or the other, but I’m happy to explain it to you if you’re interested.
I only mentioned Johnson’s immigration views, which are pretty much that the UK should allow reasonable immigration to fulfil the agreed (by whoever) needs of its economy and public services. It’s not an unusual view. Where you deduced my supposed views on immigration from what I said remains a mystery to me.
Well you highlighted the fact that Johnson was pro-immigration in such a way that it seemed like you were casting shade on him for it. So then I thought maybe you prefered limited immigration. I do recall that you have expressed support for controlled borders and definitely made it clear that you don’t support ooen borders.
“Well you highlighted the fact that Johnson was pro-immigration in such a way that it seemed like you were casting shade on him for it.”
Nope. That’s just your interpretation. It’s a neutral fact to me. I highlighted it because you’re delighted that he won but he doesn’t share your views on immigration, which covers a big part of your overall views on everything.
I do support limited immigration. We don’t have open borders and that’s just fine.
I could expand but…another time.
As I’ve said before, leaving the EU will INEVITABLY mean more immigration from outside the EU and fewer Europeans just like us. 🙂
I think I’m starting to finally ‘get’ your perspective, JohnAZ. It was something of an epiphany based on one remark (which I won’t share).
Basically, what looks to you like yeomen-worker-citizens all battling the status quo, is, from my perspective, raving ranting talking-point carbon copy of copy.
So, there’s a difference in our perspectives, I don’t think anyone would argue with that.
You are consistent. You’re literate. You’re courteous. Thank you.
Thank you.
I want balance for this country, a place for the real exercise of equal opportunity for all peoples here. Not what the way the current mobsters in the Deep State want things to be. The law should be paramount, not some party’s interpretation.
I believe the current domination of the Deep State over the country is the biggest hazard to liberty in my lifetime. My belief in Trump is not because of his personal aspects, but solely because of his animosity towards the cretins in the Deep State. Socialism must be beaten down any where it raises its head. It will crush the innovative motivation that separates the US from the rest of the world.
I read a most interesting detail in a comment thread of a YouTube video dedicated to the questioning of Michael Horowitz: The wife of Michael Horowitz is the sister of one of the principals of Fusion GPS. If this is true — and I don’t know if it is, since it is the only reference I have seen about it — how can Michael Horowitz be in charge of investigating this act of institutional sabotage against a presidential candidate and eventual POTUS?
Of course, Fusion GPS is the same outfit where Nellie Ohr worked, with Nellie being the wife of Bruce Ohr, one of the top-tier FBI guys working on the Russiagate hoax.
Is the entire Swamp just one big Mob family?
Yes!
The Deep State.
Which is starting to suck “We, the People”, dry.
We still own the vote. For now.
Donald Trump laid all of this out in his inaugural speech.
I one of the videos, the camera cuts to Jill Biden, excuse me, Dr. Jill, and she looks as if she’s just been kicked.
People such as Oprah, who has even done programs on the widening gap between the haves and the have nots in America, ought to be rushing to the president’s support right now. Didn’t she get her start as a reporter?
I consider her part of the “I Got Mine” crowd.
Starting? Wow.
Project Veritas has detailed the massive corruption of the electoral process as perpetrated by the Democrats. That should come as no surprise is one is following all this. They didn’t get this corrupt over night after all.
There’s a theory around that the Awan brothers were hired to do some dirty work on corrupting the electoral process on a national level, rather than state by state.
Remember those guys? That story sure went away fast.
Project Veritas?
Sounds really truthful.
And it is. It’s website contains links to the ultimate money ——‘Koch’
Koch or Soros – what does it matter? Either way the money and effort is being expended to silence our votes and strip us of our rights. Poison is poison no matter who gives it to you.
Actually they have done some great work exposing ACORN for the fraud it was.
Dangerous work at times as well.
They also exposed the abortion racket started by Margaret Sangers Planned parenthood for what it is.
If you don’t know maybe you should do some research.
Now you’re starting to see how it all works. It’s all about connections, or in Trump’s case, the relative lack thereof. The Deep State is not only very deep, it’s also very broad. A broad social and professional network of like-minded people all pulling for similar outcomes.
Even Bernie was too much of a threat to the Democrats.
Wow, that would be interesting for sure! Here’s what I found so far.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/alexandra-kauffman-michael-horowitz-wife/
1. She Worked on Michael Dukakis’ Presidential Campaign
2. She Used to Be a Senior Producer for CNN Where She Worked with Lou Dobbs
3. Her Parents Own Kauffman International, a Mail-Order and Internet Saddlery in Chevy Chase, MD
4. She Covered International News in Hong Kong
5. She Is a Freelance Writer
Here’s a little family info, so we see she has a sister, but that’s about all I know how to dig up.
http://aronoff.com/fam9629.html
Minnie, the answer is yes, one big mob family
All related either by blood, marriage or legacy.
I thought I read that the Senate wants a very swift trial and will call no one to testify.
yeah, Lindsey Graham was on TV there last night saying he wants to ‘deep six’ the whole thing…. and there has been one democrat congressman who has said that if this impeachment fails, there may be more impeachments to come..
One way to stop this insanity is to vote the suckers out of their House majority, the coup would be over.
Remember that on November.
Ending the coup isn’t enough.
There must be Consequences (handcuffs, trials, confiscation of assets, prison) for the perps. And I certainly don’t mean just the FBI. Where are the consequences to Schiff/Nadler/Pelosi and others for violating Trump’s civil rights? Where are the consequences to Lynch/Holder/HRC/Obama for their roles? Where are the consequences for the liars at CNN/NBC/CBS/etc?
If America manages to “vote the suckers out”, they will just be replaced by other suckers.
Yes. Exactly. Well said – “Ending the coup isn’t enough”.
The development of the Deep State, the Federalization of the US, started in April of 1865 when Lee surrendered and State’s Rights took a fatal hit. The balance of Amendment 10 has been drifting towards central control ever since.
An aggravation to the Socialism drift is the location of the national capital. It is a Liberalized East Coast City in the center of a very liberal geo political area. Is it a wonder why the bureaucracy straining to take control, the Deep State, would trend towards liberalism over the decades. No wonder when Bushes totally went along with the Deep Staters that the Left trend accelerated. These Maryland and Northern Virginia folks are not being nefarious, they are protecting their jobs.
Think about it another way, the Liberals form the framework of DC and those “darn” conservatives are invaders.
Sort of a different viewpoint. Invaders need to be destroyed to maintain the status quo.
That means martial law. You know that, right? A few flunkies may go down, but America just doesn’t have that kind of inner strength and Will towards the Good anymore.
Did anything happen to Lois Lerner, who used the IRS against Patriots? Or Obama and Holder who ran guns to Mexico? Huge outrages and scandals, far worse than Watergate because against the American People and not other politicians. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
Schiff should be in chains. Among others.
@janos
That’s because they had the ag and the mainstream media covering up those massive abuses.
Some of that is now being undone.
To be sure Obama should be in jail for fraud, racketeering, Constitutional abuses of office and high crimes.
I’ve been waiting for Nightowl to require proof of that accusation. Ope.
A November (or two) too late.
All that will accomplish will to make the 1972 election Nixon vs McGovern) look as close at Kennedy -Nixon in 1960
The Democrats had a chance to run a black woman way back then.
Shirley Chisholm got sold out by two movements which should have supported her.
“Shirley Chisholm got sold out by two movements…”
Beryl,
The two movements;
Wisdom
Common Sense
McConnell said it, I think.
Yes – Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell are Swamp Malignancies. There is no way they are putting their friends in the hot seat. That is why they prefer to deep six any trial in the Senate. Remember that Trump was eager to have the trial.
…but he wasn’t serious, SSL.
Ok, prove it.
One cannot price a negative.
So YOU should prosecute…! Come on, girl…let’s have some time off talking only about shit that ISN’T religion & politics! There must be common ground.
I’m sure we do have common ground. I mean I have been telling you that hello. So talk to me.
The key ask was something other than religion or politics…
Today is a solemn and sad day. Jordan, Gaetz, Collins, Gohmert, etc. failed to protect Trump from the stain of impeachment.
The stain on this impeachment is not on the President.
Sad day, indeed. Danny Aiello be hangin’ with Elvis….
Goddamit Little Jane how’d you get back in?
They had no defence argument, and well, simply couldn’t garner enough (read ’any’!) interest in its outcome.
As if it’s going to make any difference.
“The utter falsity of the Steele dossier seems not to have yet penetrated the minds of Dean Baquet and Martin Baron, editors of The New York Times and The Washington Post, the head cheerleaders for the seditious coup by the security state. Their obdurate mendacity can no longer be attributed to a simple quest for clicks and eyeballs. It speaks to a sickness of mind that has infected the whole thinking class of America as it succumbed to the ultimate smashing of boundaries: the one between what is real and what is not real (or what is true and what is not true.”
How I agree with this. How often I have heard others tell me that “they do it to sell newspapers.” This really will not do. It is much deeper than that, it is an astonishing collective fantasy. Why cannot everyone see that? I suppose I can only echo Hitchens when he says that it is not his fault if people cannot, or will not, see what is under their nose.
The other thing I keep on hearing or reading is that the media are dominated and corrupted by “powerful corporations” or “the government” or “the elite”. The opposite is the case. These entities may exist but if they do they believe the fantasy just as much, if not more, than everybody else. Rather, the process goes in the other direction with the media infecting their nihilism, their idiocy, their sickness and their fantasy to those in positions of power and authority.
I do not know how this will all play out. Reality cannot be staved off indefinitely and I assume that all of these collective fantasies will come crashing down in utter chaos as people will not know what to think. They include (and this is not an exhaustive list by any means) the great financial three-card trick, the climate fantasy, mass immigration, black victimization, female victimization, welfare entitlement, gender lunacy, the belief that every aspect of life can be directed and controlled by bureaucracy and, of course (because this is where the gap between imagination and reality is starkest, where the insanity is at its most unhinged) the witch hunts, the so-called moral panics, where individuals living and dead are casually demonized on the strength of sweet f. a. (as we used to joke in England, F*** ‘All, the well known stately home).
Adam Smith is said to have written that there is much ruin in a country. I think it will keep going for a while yet, right to the bitter end. People think and believe things that they would have been ridiculed (or locked up) for just a few years ago. They themselves would have been among those laughing.
The deceit and delusion stretches back a long way, back to the Renaissance (whatever that was). History will have to be re-written. I referred a couple of weeks ago to Jeffrey Russell’s Inventing The Flat Earth, a short book which describes how the wholly erroneous belief (he describes it as the Error) that everyone in the Middle Ages thought the earth was flat when in fact all the evidence shows that the opposite was the case. It is a nice illustration of what I mean. I have been enjoying watching Marion Sigaut’s denunciations of that shameless liar Voltaire (“Il ment! Il ment! Il ment!”), having (as the Beatles sang) read the book. A more recent example is the Spanish Civil War and Franco, where once again conventional wisdom is completely wrong. Historian Pio Moa (who cannot get his books translated out of Spanish) often refers to Besteiro, one of the Socialits Party’s three leaders in the early and mid Thirties, who spoke (referring to his own party and the Left in general) of “a Himalaya of lies”. With the Left it is lies, lies and more lies, as with the mythical turtles, all the way down. Deceit is central to every mass fantasy. It is not the only common characteristic.
And Adam Smith was a truth teller? He was a fool who believed that “an invisible hand” would constrain the Corporations even against their own will. Note: It hasn’t.
Another giant of Capitalist theory, John Locke, wrestled with the issue of child labor. He decided in favor of it: loathe to deny children “their rights”. What a fucking lunatic, his brilliance merely the shiny veneer that hid that fact.
Jason, I do not disagree about Smith but I think his observation that a well-run country is not destroyed in a short time is a fair one. As for Locke, E Michael Jones said that he and Newton spent a great deal of time together conducting alchemical experiments in the latter’s Cambridge accommodation. I have no patience with these early capitalists’ theorising because it so obviously self-serving. Sigaut argues that the French ‘luminaire’ of the so-called Enlightenment were not only often (as in the case of Voltaire) shameless liars, snobs and boot-lickers but also justified market deregulation in the 18th Century (particularly removing the controls on the price of bread) as somehow helping ordinar8y people (when in fact they led to starvation).
While I have your attention please give me another glimpse from within the fantasy bubble. What lurid rumours and unfounded speculation (all at the expense of other people) are currently titillating you? Forget about Smith’s invisible hand, which unfortunate is the invisible finger pointing at just now? Whose life and reputation is to be ruined today? How does it feel to be the chosen weapon of divine retribution? Pray tell me, o wise one.
WAPO=State, NYT=FBI, CNN=CIA.
I think I have that right, I should have writen it down.
“Written”.
Are you saying that the media are the unwitting tools of the intelligence organizations or their willing allies? My own guess is that the media are in the driving seat and the intelligence ‘community (along with academia and the rest) merely swallow the media fantasy. In other words it is the media, and their stupid nihilism, who are the main problem.
Well, an arrest was made in the Tessa Major murder.
The suspect is 13 yo.
Late bloomer, eh?
What a sickening story. It just shows how depraved things have become. But our system encourages the proliferation of feral children so much more of this sadness is to come. Segregation and separation would have prevented this and millions of other atrocities.
Yes, nothing is more terrifying to Blacks than other Blacks. In the Old Caribbean, an English master would keep his slave in line by threatening to sell him to a Dutchman. And a Dutchman would keep his slave in line by threatening to sell him to a Black.
not feral..wild
Thanks Jim for shouldering this particular cross for the rest of us. I’m sure there are things you would rather to do than follow the arcane twists and turns of this sordid spectacle of governance. Yet taking on such unpleasant tasks seems to be your stock in trade. Having served as a prophet of sorts throughout your public career you have borne witness to the core fault lines at the heart of American life; the decline of community and civility, the failure to evolve sustainable and livable human built environments, as well as the progressive degradation of our earthly habitat. Nor have you shied away from controversy, but rather have consistently put yourself in the line of fire for that which you hold most dear, a world where value, quality, integrity, and honor actually mean something. You’re pretty good with words as well…
Innovation is the heart of a Nation? No, Tradition is. America was doomed because ideas like yours gained prominence. Innovation is only healthy insofar as it can be denied as needed.
I think you are partly right Janos. There has to be a balance between tradition and innovation. Innovation should strengthen viable traditions and tradition should provide a framework for viable innovations.
I didn’t use the word ‘nation’ in my post by the way. I said innovation is the life blood of ‘civilization’. The nation state is a political structure.Civilization is something much more…
Ok. The Greek City States were all part of one Civilization, the Greek, with some local variations of course. Ditto the Italian City States. Likewise, the entire West is now Wiemar or “Gotham”.
But the Greek City States were politically independent. Thus if one fell or became corrupt, the disease could be halted perhaps. The States of the West are no longer really independent and the whole thing is going down. Perhaps Eastern Europe can save part of Western Civilization along with Russia. Of course, Huntington called the Orthodox a separate Civilization from the West per se. So by that metric, it would be down to Poland, Croatia, and Hungary and little more.
Or perhaps Russia, the Caucasian cradle, can save it on its own? The hope is that Russia can continue to expand its circle of influence and thus insulate/inoculate other likeminded legitimate state actors from the corrupting influence of the Zionist Globalist West. Question is: who will be Putin’s worthy successor? The Whore of Babylon, especially if the evil bitch HRC and her coven ascends the throne in 2020, is anxiously awaiting the answer to that question and planning accordingly.
I think of civilization as a state of mind more than an actual geographic entity. A small geographic entity (such as Goethe’s Wiemer) is capable of sustaining a high level of those qualities which constitute civilization, whereas a vast geographic entity (the Soviet Union in its heyday?) could be almost entirely deficient in such qualities. What then are the qualities which constitute civilization? Bottom line has to be individual freedom. Unless the individual is free to pursue beauty, truth, and goodness wherever they may lead civilization is impossible.
Again your Americanism betrays you, Sunny. Leonardo sketched helicopters centuries ago, but the infrastructure needed for them had to wait for centuries. Obama and Warren’s “You didn’t build that” (by yourself) is absolutely correct.”
Civilization means getting people on the same page – a good page that can accomodate many individual quests of the kinds you mention.
How do you get people on the same page is the question then isn’t it Janos. There are only two ways that I know of: either through the centripetal force of creative attraction (those who lead in this fashion are what Toynbee called ‘creative minorities’), or by force and coercion (what he called by contrast ‘dominant minorities’). Creative minorities lead during the growth phase of civilization, dominant minorities take over after civilization has broken down. All the great empires of history were the work of dominant minorities, and thus are actually representative of civilization after it has already broken down and on the path of decline. The establishment of an empire by a dominant minority is actually a last ditch effort to stave off its pending collapse.
“especially if the evil bitch HRC and her coven ”
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Does not “The Demon Sow” appellation meet your approval?
Great reference. I think there’s something to that, I really do. If I dare to add to a Master like Toynbee, I’d say that both the carrot and stick are always present to put it in vulgar terms. But yes, surely force can only go so far. There has to be something greater in play to really get a Civilization going.
No Christ – no Christendom. No Mohammad, no Islam. There was a Western Civilization before Christianity, but it was tired and corrupt. Christianity and the Barbarian converts gave it a new lease on life. Of course one could say it was a completely different Civilization, but the Church and the Barbarians did take much from the Greeks and the Romans.
Demon Sow. An oldy but a goody. In HRC’s case, quite apropos.
“Demon Sow. An oldy but a goody. In HRC’s case, quite apropos.”
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That reference, coined by Janos, will, I think have a resurgence on the site in the upcoming months….
…just a guess….
I sympathize with Jim’s yen for the final battle of Good against Evil in which the guillotines swish through the necks of the enemies of the people, and one gets again one’s dose of insulin for less than a monthly Social Security check. I do, truly! But we live in a God-forsaken (and God-forsaking) world, friends. In what sort of a fucked-up planetary setup can Kylie Jenner get to be a billionaire by simply putting her name on a shit-load of face-creams, nail-polish and mascara? In our world, she can. But ours is not the sort of world where people know their gender, or right from wrong, or how much is enough…enough to be content, at any rate. In our world, there are not enough Chinese-made opioids around yet to kill off the hated culture of the white male and his guilt, the only thing that, at the moment, retards a global Malthusean mayhem to get the overpopulation of the self-seeking apes down to numbers tia Gaia can manage. But the day is coming when the Euro-trash Tutsi cockroaches will be wiped out, and buried under the monuments to Ming world explorers and black pharaohs, and the Ummayad caliphs of al Andalus. One thing is certain. The break of that day will come sooner than the dixie-whistle morn in which Comey, Clapper and Brennan in prison chapels pray to God for forgiveness.
Dusk will always be dusk. Therefore Ming explorers will simply export the conformist cruelties of the East. Prepare to merge with the Borg. Black Pharaohs? LOL We Wuz Kangz lives! I would be more inclined to say the brutalities of every day life in Afrca have never been and never will be improved without outside, non-African help. Then there is the Caliphs. Nothing like some good crucifixions and infidel burnings to make a brighter day. But it sounds like you want more of it. When the Real Deal comes you will have to live with the Borgs, or Kangz, or Sand People. No more self loathing Whites. That’s going to be intentionally weeded out of the gene pool.
The mental disorders sweeping the US polity apparently know no borders, one of these derangements being the utter refusal to acknowledge a simple election victory as we’ve seen this past three years in the US.
And so we see this also in the UK after BoJo’s win, Leftist demonstrators proclaiming that Boris isn’t their prime minister. Sorry but living with election results you don’t like is one of those things that grownups do because after all there will be another election in due course.
Not abiding by the results of the Brexit referendum is another prime example, with a Remainer prime minister doing the Brexit negotiations with the EU delivering up Brexit without exit. Yes, yes, I heard the reasons, the Russians bought and paid for the result, yes, I know, I’ve heard it, Brexit voters were lied to, and yes, I know, they’re idiots anyway, and racists and Islamophobes and uneducated and older and fearful and just not with this wonderful new modern world of precarious minimum wage, multiple job employment, massively expensive housing, and just not jiggy with multitudes of desperate newcomers coming across the borders and, to get to the point, unfit and fascist and generally disreputable and shouldn’t be allowed the vote.
But note how similar these rationalizations are to those given in the US for not recognizing the validity of the November 2016 election.
Here’s a suggestion, if – cough – “progressives” want to win an election stop fucking insulting people, stop fucking lying, try offering up worthy candidates, try instituting financial and economic and trade policies that don’t screw whole swathes of the populace.
“and just not jiggy with multitudes of desperate newcomers coming across the borders ”
Who were the multitudes of desperate newcomers coming across the borders, volodya? Polish plumbers? German doctors? Spanish nurses? Seasonal Romanian fruit pickers? They could always be sent home if they found no work. You can’t be talking about refugees, since their prospects remain entirely unchanged by Brexit. So who is it?
“the Russians bought and paid for the result, yes, I know, I’ve heard it,”
Straw man. And pathetic. Russian bot farms were indeed discovered sending pro-Brexit messages to Facebook members (any destabilisation of the EU helps Putin), but I haven’t heard anyone declaring the result null and void because of that. To my mind people who vote on the basis of Facebook propaganda deserve everything they get.
But yes, you are absolutely right that living with election results you don’t like is one of those things that grownups do. So I will be living with the result, and living with the Scottish independence vote that will inevitably follow it in the fullness of time, even though I know Scottish independence will be do even more damage to the economy than Brexit (from which, you will recall, one of its most vocal advocates said would take the UK 60 years to recover – no prizes for guessing which sector of society will suffer the most during that period, while said advocate adds to his investment millions). And let’s not even start with Northern Ireland, whose issues you have so totally misunderstood in earlier posts.
“To my mind people who vote on the basis of Facebook propaganda deserve everything they get.”
Indeed! thanks for reminding ppl of that
“try instituting financial and economic and trade policies that don’t screw whole swathes of the populace.”
Do you think, volodya, that the practice of negotiating trade deals in secret, behind the backs of the populace, should be stopped? And that in the case of a putative US-UK trade deal, the detail – all of it – should be made available at the very least to parliamentary scrutiny every bit as rigorous as that to which Brexit arrangements have been and will be subjected?
The United Kingdom is a third rate POS, Alba, and you’re it’s leading poster “person.”
But at least I can spell ‘its’ in its language and yours.
You’re not a very grown-up person, are you, RIB? Hell hath no fury like a climate denier scorned, it would seem.
Let it go. 🙂
Hitler told Churchill that Britain would lose its Empire if it fought Germany again. And so it was – with military resources diverted to Europe by Roosevelt and the Empire left all but defenseless. And afterwards, they had to pay America for all of their “aid”….
Of course *we* did, Janos. I’m glad we paid our way, even though it added to the national debt right up until 2006.
I’m not an imperialist by conviction, so the other bit is fine by me. Empires are inevitably lost anyway in the end. Although the City of London and its network of tax havens have done their best to carry it on by other means.
Indeed they have meine Frau, indeed they have. The “City” is one of the Centers of the New World Order and a Rothschild stronghold. You know how they tanked England’s economy after the Battle of Waterloo, right?
The Queen is best friends with one of the Rothschild “nobles” (bought pedigree). Good idea. They could pull the plug on them at any time and Romanov them.
@janos
It was told the English lost which tanked the stock market and the Rothchild bought everything for a pittance.
Where do you think evil little Dracula junior aka Soros learned his nasty bag of trick from?
What fun is power if you have to work so hard?
“progressives” want to win an election stop fucking insulting people,”
Volodya,
It just occurred to me that the solution to our problems would be for the progressives to just stop fucking….
Top o’ the mornin’ EF,
I wonder sometimes if it’s immediate self-interest that blinds people, or maybe it’s perceived self-interest that does it, or maybe it’s the need for the good regard of their peer group.
Maybe all of the above, or who knows what it is, but it’s exceedingly hard to miss what’s been happening all over the world. Even so people persist in not seeing it and you see this resolute will to not see in this comment section, especially among the supposedly highly educated.
What’s happened in the US is well-understood by a broad segment of the American public because, if it weren’t, Trump wouldn’t be president. The Trumpian phenomenon appears in other places, for example, north of the border with the rise of the Ford Bros, one of which has since died. I have some familiarity, having relatives in those environs.
For example, two communities on the other side of the frontier, totaling about 75,000 in population, lost in the course of about 30 years 2 steel mills, one metal refinery, three shoe factories, one cement factory, one flour mill, one farm equipment plant and one chemical plant.
Needless to say, this gutted the local economy, meth and fentanyl now being the most viable enterprises. What ailed that area ailed much of southern Ontario and much of the US economy just across the international line, ruining not only people’s lives but also government finances. Proximity to rail and port facilities and the Great Lakes and St Lawrence Seaway availed them nothing.
So if you want an explanation for Ford Nation as a thumb in the eye to the elite and as a counterpart to the Trump phenomenon, there it is.
What we’ve been seeing IOW is not a microscopic phenomenon local to one small area, but rather it’s international in scope, literally all over the globe, the result of moneyed elites running rampant. Referring to the US specifically, Bernie said repeatedly that 60,000 factories moved from the to Mexico and China, taking millions of livelihoods directly and shutting down supply lines and feeder plants taking away millions more jobs.
International “free Trade”, as it’s called, has bugger-all to do with trade, it is all focused on wage rates. Not tax rates, but WAGE rates. Same with schemes to open borders to migration, legal and illegal, but preferably illegal, with proponents of open borders portraying such schemes in various ways, all of them wonderful, but all of them designed to lower wages.
Wealth migrates to the tip of the pyramid and life gets harder and harder for ordinary folk, hence, conflagrations all over the world, with the Yellow Jackets in France, Brexit in the UK, Ford Nation in Canada, the street fights in Hong Kong, Lebanon and in many other places.
What’s happened takes a real effort of will to not see, disciplined minds putting up clouds of distraction with irrelevant issues and insults, most of the disdain directed at whole classes of people, especially those suffering wrack and ruin, but some of it directly personal like what you see in this comment section.
And so, these studiously disciplined minds refuse reality, “progressives” foremost among them.
You would ask them to fucking open their eyes, but as an alternative, as you suggest, to just stop fucking. Do NOT reproduce. Great idea. The human genome can’t help but improve.
Sorry for the windy rant.
“Not abiding by the results of the Brexit referendum is another prime example…”
funny paragraph!
good post
Glad you liked it.
I’m looking forward to your detailed monitoring of improvements in standard of living of the masses in the UK as a result of Brexit. How this will pan out with a reduction in GDP, businesses closing, and already-stressed people having to start paying for healthcare (and pay more for American drugs as a result of a theoretical transatlantic trade deal) isn’t clear to me yet, but I look forward to your incisive investigations in the matter. We could start by watching the graph of the number of people using foodbanks.
And I notice that you never answer questions. You just produce flourishing rhetoric insulting anyone who points out holes in your thinking and lacunae in your observations.
Hence I’m still waiting to hear exactly which desperate multitudes have been crossing the UK border (which isn’t open) as a result, specifically, of its EU membership. I’ll grant you some Romanian ‘gangsta’ types and Big Issue sellers, but most of the rest are hardworking doctors, nurses, teachers, entrepreneurs, plumbers and the like. Mostly better educated than the Brits they’ve come to live amongst. And the Russian oligarchs in London don’t need to be in the EU to come here and fill City coffers with their ill-gotten gains and skew the London housing market.
I do know there are a lot of desperate non-EU asylum seekers in Calais trying to get over, but they’re still going to be there and trying after Brexit. And to add the icing to the cake, Macron said they would stop considering Calais to be the border between France and England after Brexit and make it the English coast, so le Jungle’ as it was, will become The Jungle, but in Kent, if he sticks to his plan.
So many unintended consequences, so little detailed thought.
I missed out the fruit and veg. pickers. They’ve stopped coming and in some cases food is rotting in fields. Some e.g. strawberry farmers are moving part of their operation to Poland in order to stay in business. Others will try mechanisation. Because the locals categorically do not want to do back-breaking work picking fruit and veg.
Whatever happens, the fruit and veg will get more expensive – another gain for the ‘deplorables’, presumably.
“”Massive… Huge… Largest Ever”: Fed Will Flood Market With Gargantuan $500 Billion In Liquidity To Avoid Year-End Repo Crisis”
How much information have you seen about this since September 17,2019? Using a fractional reserve banking multiplier of six, a rough idea of the debt this represents can be estimated. A simple search does not find an estimate of the total FED capital injection for the current year. The amout will exceed $720 trillion for the second half of 2019. This amount of dollars is seen as insufficient to maintain market stability(Morgan Stanley)’
All that we can see is the half of the waveform above the baseline, at best half of the information.
We are watching and participating in the greast misdirection ever conceived. The enslavement of our heirs is underway and the debate is over which fiction is more real.
Did you ever hear about the great deception
Well the plastic revolutionaries take the money and run
Have you ever been down to love city
Where they rip you off with a smile
And it don’t take a gun
The Great Deception – Van Morrison – 1973
I do not know about you, but I have plenty of stomach for an ugly and externded Senate Impeachment Trial. How many here remember their draft physical during the Vietnam draft era? Human fear has a distinct and near nauseating odor. I do not detect that smell. They have by the pubes and they know it.
The antiwar protestors took to the streets, the anti-corruption prostestors sit on their fat ass and blame all of the problems on the young and infirm.
“This will eventually get America right in its weakened mind.” JHK
after the crisis, what?
Look around. That’s what. The crisis is already under way. It takes awhile to unfold.
Quick – what did Biden, Bernie, Warren, or Mayor Pete say this past week, and where did they say it?
You have no idea, because shampeachment has sucked all the oxygen out of the news.
If I was a Democratic presidential hopeful, I’d be furious with Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler.
Kamala is mad at the Democrat voters, for not choosing her. She says they are racists and sexists.
All set for Brexit, Green Alba?
I was set for Brexit last March. Putting it off for another 9 months was a royal pain in the neck. I’d have voted for Theresa May’s deal, in which case we’d have been out in March. Boris’ deal is just Theresa Mark 2.
Are you aware of the differences, RIB, between the two withdrawal agreements? What’s your assessment of them?
I’m too busy taking remedial classes in ‘climate change to bother answering your dumb ass question, Alba
So why did you ask the question, pray?
Let me guess, RIB. You’ve found the Climate Change remedial classes clash with the Understanding Brexit classes.
Maybe knitting would suit you better?
u r 2 much
RIBBIT!
LOL it’s more like detention.
I hope it goes to a full Senate trial and everyone connected with this is subpoenaed and forced to testify under oath. My guess is the Democrats at this stage are praying the Republicans will stop the impeachment somehow so they can strike a pose, wring their hands and weep, and present themselves as avenging angels who never got their day in court because those crafty, evil Republicans control the Senate and wouldn’t play fair. That would suit their purposes to a T. But no matter what happens, they’ll be the victims and endlessly repeat Horowitz’s original version that these were merely “mistakes”–kinda like typos– not egregious misuses of power.
They were debating censure and are not pushing a fast trial to avoid exactly that.
I want it dragged out, for all to see. Every spineless coward that supported this coup should be forced to view it.
“Not” should be “now.”
The FBI was corrupt and incompetent way before Barack Obama took office.
Comey’s utterly bogus prosecution of Martha Stewart certainly has much in common with what they are trying to do to the president today.
If you ask the average American why Martha went to prison, they will tell you it was for insider trading.
That is not so.
Even if she had done what she was allegedly investigated for, that would not have been a crime if a member of Congress had done the same thing.
Somebody wanted Martha taken down.
Correction. If you asked the average American why Martha went to prison, they’d simply reply “who?” That the FBI is openly corrupt isn’t even a point of contention anymore. Not that anyone cares either way. That consent has already been successfully manufactured.
“One senses that the voters are seeing through this…”
JHK savages his credibility with this kind of statement. The voters barely pay attention and probably most couldn’t even provide a two sentence summary of what they think is going on. If they are the type who vote for Trump they don’t know and don’t care about any particulars and ditto for the ones who consider him a POS.
In the mean time how about some more xmas haiku.
The child’s screams for more
Exhibits that she has learned
Our culture’s wisdom.
Evelyn, exactly what type am I? I voted for Donald Trump, will do it again, and I have been paying close attention since the 1980s.
You haven’t been paying attention if you believe we are out-of-work white men in pickup trucks.
I am a woman, a feminist, ‘white collar’ and educated. I live in a city. In the Northeast. Our conservatives are liberal.
I know others like me.
Just setting th record straight.
Remember, she’s a brown haired, blue eyed “Indian” who hates Whites and Western Civilization.
These metis or mestizos are generally bad. Tradition had its reason for calling all such things verboten.
Beryl, don’t know, don’t care.
If you are thinking the teeny tiny demographic splinter that hangs out on message boards pontificating, proselytizing, puking, and pondering is in anyway meaningful when compared to the polity at large you are pitifully mistaken.
And if you are a weirdo it only stands to reasons of course you know other weirdos.
I don’t understand your constant nasty attitude toward everyone.
Please explain why you appear so damn bitter all the time.
Not everyone and not always.
However, nastiness is the coin of the realm around here.
Did you read some fool’s remark that featured thoughts that brought pedophilia to mind? And then how the insipidly stupid SSL jumped in to defend the cretin who made the obscene comment?
Hypocrisy like that from the sanctimonious dullard compels me to express bitterness.
And then an even deeper hypocrisy runs through this place. So many here who scoff at people in the world who push for recognizing the fact that something has to be done to slow down the headlong rush of the human race towards self extinction without realizing the Long Emergency meme is no more than advocacy for the same thing.
But is it doing anything for you?
Are you changing minds or only making yourself more miserable?
Climate change is not going to stop we could cease to exist and it would still happen because change is always part of it.
Notice I dipped my toe into the sewer and felt terrible about it and stopped.
There are better ways to induce dialogue.
Enemy syndrome is exactly what our failed two party system wants.
benr, you ask a good question but it would be a good question no matter who you asked.
I’m come here mostly to entertain myself. I do not expect to otherwise accomplish a thing. I regard time I spend here a ‘sinful’ waste of time. But feel the same on behalf of anyone who thinks expressing their thoughts in this forum is any more than a form of self gratification.
How many people do you think you’ve influenced one way or another?
Probably the only useful thing that happens here is when Q. Schtik helps someone by correcting their grammar. And even that what good is it? Teaching rednecks to speak gooder doesn’t serve any useful cause. The more ways their ignorance manifest the better for warning others way they have to say is to be disdained.
With that I aim to kick the habit of making my presence known here. When it comes down to it posting here is primarily egotism.
I come here…
…what they have to say…
…manifests…
Or what someone else called ‘social preening…
Evelyn
The child screams for more
The parents quickly comply.
Debt? What, me worry?
In the spirit of this season of idiotic preoccupation with all things meaningless and absurd, I offer this little gizzard tickler for birds of all plumage and silliness in this land of potboiler escape fiction.
Can I get a, “Oh, Hell, Ya!”
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/kendall-jenners-impression-kylie-jenner-164200531.html
On this eve of a Homo sapiens dieoff, I’m unable to conjure a story to explain the national obsession with political gossip. Being totally irrelevant, it is not even entertaining. I’m open to suggested explanations.
or so says…
~toktomi~
There was a whole show, for a couple seasons, which was even more hilarious.
Olympic Decathlon gold medal winner Bruce Jenner did an impersonation of his stepdaughter Kim.
It didn’t catch on with the viewers though.
Saw the film “The Post” last night. Now THERE was a great time of the press doing good work. Excellent film as well- highly recommended. Anymore, I don’t believe half of what I see, none of what i here.
Good day, GreenAlba! Still recovering from the election? I imagine that while having the blond bozo in office for the past few months is one thing, the sight of him wielding a spanking-new democratic mandate must be quite insufferable. My sympathies.
On the other hand, regarding mandates:
Nicola Sturgeon: Boris Johnson does not have a “mandate’ to take Scotland out of the EU
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18099428.nicola-sturgeon-boris-johnson-not-mandate-take-scotland-eu/
“SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said Boris Johnson ’emphatically does not have a mandate’ to take Scotland out of the EU.
“Speaking on Sky News, she said: ‘I’m bitterly disappointed at the result UK wide, I think Tory governments are bad for the UK, more than they’re bad for Scotland, and I really don’t want the UK to leave the European Union.
“‘But I’ve got to accept that England appears to have voted in a particular way, they appear to have voted for a Conservative government and appear to have voted to endorse the UK leaving the European Union.
“‘So Boris Johnson may have a mandate to take England out of the European Union, but he emphatically does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the European Union.
“‘And Scotland must have the choice over our own future because it can’t be any clearer than it has been made in this election today that Scotland doesn’t want a five year Boris Johnson government and doesn’t want to lose our status as a European nation.'”
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Between the SNP’s near-sweep and Sinn Fein outdoing the DUP, Johnson may yet go down as the PM who saw his country hacked to bits on his watch. Best wishes to all involved.
Thank you for the good wishes, Elrond.
As it happens, I wasn’t disappointed with the election result, as I’d pretty much predicted it (even the margin). A hung parliament would have solved nothing, any more than a win for Corbyn (as if…). I feel the man should go and tend to his courgettes, but I guess it will take a bit of time for face-saving purposes. Let’s nope the Labour party is more recoverable than the Dems.
Our man here in Edinburgh South got in – a lone Scottish Labour voice in an SNP wilderness, but what can you do? I didn’t vote for him because of the currently hopeless Labour party but because he’s a fairly decent constituency MP. He was recently the target of a deselection attempt by Len McLuskey of the Unite union and the Corbynites, because of the sin of criticising the UK party leadership and McCluskey for supporting them. Who’s laughing now, Len? Ho, ho, ho. Small pleasures 🙂
I’m not a fan of Ms Sturgeon, I’m afraid. She’s as focused on her own ambition as Boris is, and should have been spending more time on health, education and housing instead of her vanity project.
As for her mandate,
““I don’t pretend that everybody who voted SNP yesterday would support independence, but…” (from your linked article)
‘But’ indeed, Nicola. Under the Scottish Parliament’s own PR system she has 62 MSPs out of 129 – a minority government. How odd that she never comments on the depth of that mandate. FPTP skews the wishes of the people.
I hope she ends up with egg on her face (faint hope but still). Scotland does 20% of its trade with the EU and tens of thousands of jobs are at risk as a result of Brexit. But it does 60% of its trade with the rest of the UK. At least I think I can claim consistency in my choices, when it comes to economic caution and the folly of introducing tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade with your natural trading partners.
‘Scots wha hae’ fantasies don’t put food on people’s tables or pay for hospitals and schools. But if people choose another fantasist, so be it. (Un)marry in haste, repent at leisure.
GA
Your situation is interesting.
Why is Scotland so pro EU, also Ireland, and England itself is not.
Are the two just feeling animus toward England? Are the economic connections different? Why such a difference?
England will be reaching out to the US in the future. I think the goals for both should be the same, manufacturing independence with cross trade on things that are made superior in each. I do not believe in international corporations with no allegiance to an individual country.
Maybe a long time in the future where there is no national animosity and Captain Kirk and the USS Enterprise are flying. Not now.
200 years ago, each country strove for self independence. Repeat please.
The Scottish Independence Movement is radically pro-third world immigration – thus rendering itself meaningless.
Ditto Sinn Fein of Ireland.
“England will be reaching out to the US in the future”
And through the darkest of nights, the two will cling together, quaking at every twig snapping in the darkness. Snapping twigs, or are those mandibles?
“Why is Scotland so pro EU, also Ireland, and England itself is not.
JohnAZ
I can only say how it seems to me.
The Scottish remain vote (75% in Edinburgh) is not a result of an animus toward England. It is the result of a general openness to Europe (remember the Auld Alliance!) and an acknowledgement of the benefits of co-operation and seamless trade. If you’re a seafood wholesaler in Aberdeen exporting to the tapas market in Spain, tariffs and delays will kill your business. It’s not rocket science. Scotland’s food exports are significant to its economy, as are Northern Ireland’s and those of Ireland itself (which, while still in the EU, will take a major hit from Brexit).
England is hugely divided on Brexit, but even those who voted Remain have to a large extent had enough. There are no projections from anyone anywhere that show anything but significant harm to the economy (English or Scottish) from Brexit – and especially with a no-deal Brexit – but if people are willing to lose public services and general prosperity for Brexit, that is their right.
“England will be reaching out to the US in the future.”
There is no way, ever, that lost trade with the UK’s natural trading partners (those nearest to it, whose regulatory base it currently shares) will ever be remotely compensated for by a trade deal with the US or anywhere else. And the UK will be at a disadvantage, as the weaker party to negotiations (not to mention one that pays twice what you do for energy!).
And where is the joined-up thinking? People on this website are generally aware of coming energy penury, plus at least a minority are aware of the dangers of climate disruption. Yet you all ignore this when it comes to trade policy and consider it wise to expand trade with countries on the other side of the Atlantic and the other side of the globe, rather than concentrate on regional trade. Where’s the sense? Especially when it involves building a third runway at Heathrow in the run-up to an energy crisis? Who’s going to pay for it when using it becomes impractical?
The UK is in no position to achieve ‘manufacturing independence’. It has no natural resources left and the economy after Brexit is projected (by ALL estimates) to slow down as a result of Brexit. Raw materials and components will cost more to import, before you make anything at all.
“Maybe a long time in the future where there is no national animosity and Captain Kirk and the USS Enterprise are flying. Not now.”
I’m a pragmatist. And I took the lessons of The Long Emergency seriously. So my view is that ‘a long time into the future’ the idea of significant trading across the Atlantic will be a joke. I would like not to think that, but for now I am persuaded. And watching Dr Sid Smith’s presentation yesterday (How to enjoy the end of the world) persuaded me all over again.
Getting back to the more immediate issues of trade, here’s a problem Boris has:
(1) He has committed to negotiating a free-trade deal with the EU within 11 months!! Let me know how many trade deals you know of that were negotiated within 11 months (without a deal we leave at the end of December next year in a no-deal Brexit, with maximum chaos and harm to the economy).
(2) The reason for this optimism (expressed enthusiastically by Grant Shapps this morning) is that regulatory alignment with the EU already exists, making the negotiating easier.
BUT…
(3) The point of Brexit for the hard Brexiters (Farage, Rees-Mogg, Redwood…) is precisely to ‘un-align’ the the regulations with the EU to allow a deal with the US, which objects to pollution, animal cruelty and low standards generally a lot less than Europe does if there’s a buck to be made.
SO…
(4) Boris has to choose. Keep the regulations more or less aligned with the EU’s and maybe get a trade deal within 11 months, at the cost of a trade deal with low-regulation America, or go for the trade deal with the US and forget the election promise to achieve an EU trade deal next year.
Boris speaks with forked tongue. Almost always. But at some point, circles will not be squared.
Op-Ed quality thinking and writing, there, GA. Send it to your preferred news organ.
GreenAlba, ISTM that if Johnson has to conclude an EU trade deal within 11 months, then there won’t be one. Trade deals are highly non-trivial and take years to negotiate. As an example, the one that currently exists between your country (as an EU member) and mine, the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, took six years to negotiate and an additional two years to ratify.
In theory, the UK could extend post-Brexit negotiations with the EU for a year or two (see this link, bottom of the article), but that’s still an awfully short timetable. A post-Brexit UK will need trading partners, and the EU would clearly profit from drawing out the negotiations as a pressure tactic.
In short, I have to wonder if the fix is in, and the Powers That Be have already decided to sell the family farm to the USA. They can point the finger at EU intransigence and treachery as they cash in. Here’s hoping it won’t be that bad, but I fear it might (even before energy penury really starts to bite).
Majella
You are kind, but I see anything I write as the equivalent of singing in the shower. 🙂
Elrond
From your article: “Rogers believes the UK will remain in denial until too late.”
Yes. I’d say you could put money on that.
So, let’s say (generously) a 10% chance of a meaningful deal by the end of 2020, and a 90% chance of crashing out of the transitional arrangement on WTO terms. Forty percent tariffs on meat exports to the EU and the WTO doesn’t cover services at all (and the UK is a service-based economy).
Then a choice of begging bowls and ‘how high would you like us to jump, Mr Trump?’ And ‘how low would you like us to go?’.
Happy Sovereignty.
Or an extension, possibly… Rinse and repeat, if everyone hasn’t lost the will to live.
Small mercies: Farage and his two parties have been definitively gelded by the electorate. Lovely. Farage is fizzing on the sidelines, possibly wondering if his friend with the gold elevator is starting to think of him as a ‘loser’, terrified that Johnson may take the sensible option of a close trading relationship with the EU.
Fizzing Farage is good. Impotence with a pint in its hand.
BTW, I’m not a big fan of Corbyn as a party leader, but this bit of Tory press and Tory party dirty tricks is shocking:
https://www.monbiot.com/2019/12/10/news-is-the-propaganda-of-the-oligarch/
I’ve only just seen it – hadn’t seen the dishonest propaganda itself in the Mail on Sunday rag and I don’t tend to look at the election leaflets that are dropped in my letterbox.
Last point re traded deal-related stuff…
I posted this article before, about the indefensible state of intensive industrial livestock rearing in the US.
https://www.monbiot.com/2018/02/17/resisting-resistance/
This disgusting, shameful state of affairs is happening right now under people’s noses, but they prefer to get angry at…Greta Thunberg.
Nobody can claim there are no practical solutions to this disgrace. Nobody’s house needs to get cold to stop eating their products for six months to show them you won’t put up with it.
But let’s just fling accusations at Greta instead. That won’t cost anyone a burger.
Alba: Indeed, let’s just fling accusations at Greta instead.
For those who aren’t persuaded by lies about Mistress Thunberg and climate change, go with baseless smears of anti-Semitism, directed at both Corbyn and Labour generally. Spend years spreading these.
And if all else fails, just baldly proclaim that Labour will do exactly the opposite of what they’ve said they would do. Making middle-class voters scared for their pocketbooks is an excellent way to prime them for when you fleece them yourself.
Sad days.
Scotland has always been the red headed stepchild, barely tolerated by the Crown in London. A bunch of times the Crown has had to send an army north to crush the troublesome, rebellious and pesky Scots. Perhaps they’ll have to do it again.
Brh
Did you really say that, brh?
Yeah. I had a whole bunch of stuff in there about the Stuart Kings and Queens but I took it out.
This is the thing, brh. You bring up bizarre notions like that. Volodya loves self-aggrandising rhetoric but doesn’t do detail, even though he bizarrely claims to care about working people.
To me the detail is about whether someone has a secure job and can feed their family or whether they’re constrained to put their pride in their pocket and go to a food bank.
Maybe it’s because I was a single parent for years. I didn’t feed my kids and keep a roof over their head on rhetoric or ideology. I fed them by counting every penny that came in and every penny that went out. That’s detail – and it’s what my mind homes in on naturally.
“Maybe it’s because I was a single parent for years. I didn’t feed my kids and keep a roof over their head on rhetoric or ideology. I fed them by counting every penny that came in and every penny that went out. That’s detail – and it’s what my mind homes in on naturally.”
well said from a strong gal!
..and I agree..
GA
There’s been dozens of battles and wars between the English and the Scots, dating back to the 12th century. Even before the Norman Conquest in 1066 Anglo Saxons in the South were battling it out with Picts and Scots to the north. C’mon, you know that.
brh
This is 2019, brh.
Scotland is a devolved nation within the United Kingdom. For now. If that changes it will become an independent sovereign state. If that happens, what it does will be none of its neighbours’ business, unless it commits an act of aggression against them, which I don’t see as being very likely, given the respective sizes of the UK’s constituent nations and Scotland’s general preference for peaceful co-existence.
We already export electricity to the big elephant’s grid. In future we may have to sell them water.
I don’t really think it would be worth their while invading us to get either. But maybe they could try running tanks on single malt.
The real mystery in the impeachment attempt is, “Why are the Democrats making an attempt at impeachment with these imaginary charges? Why now?” It is an attempt that cannot possibly succeed. If it ever gets to trial, facts will be brought to light that can only result in permanent damage to the Democrats and their interests.
If Democrats continue to press on, they will certainly hand the 2020 election to Mr. Trump at the very least.
The only other possible outcome, might be another US Civil War. Does anyone want that?
Mr. Kunstler, who really benefits from a failed impeachment attempt?
My guess is that Pelosi sensed she was losing control of her party and was finally persuaded (or told/ordered) that even a failed impeachment process could be used as a successful electioneering strategy. And who would such a strategy benefit the most? Hmm… If HRC does run in 2020, as I strongly suspect she will, I would expect the campaign to be the bloodiest and most acrimonious in history, as she attempts to out-Trump, Trump. Which I believe she could very well do. Civil War in the USA? Ni**er pease!
JHK is on fire. Great breakdown. A flaming sword of truth.
I doubt Barry did Huma Abadin.
Barry had or has Reggie Body Love, his fitness trainer.
Huma’s a babe no doubt, but can you imagine her checking her phone the whole time you’re doing her and asking “are you done yet?” Of course Barry would be doing the same thing, so there you go. I imagine that sex will be strictly virtual in the near future. Can the electronic orgasm due to smart IoT sexual implants be far removed? No dolls required.
Dolls add a nice human touch though.
Such innovations are of the Devil. Remember your Orange Bible: Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of the human mind (computers) or form (robots).
When the brain chip implants come along (just around the corner), even the tactile inputs will be fully simulated. The ultimate goal is truly next-gen (non-contact) “safe sex,” although that will come with surveillance as well, just to make sure that’s it’s truly “safe.” No thought crimes allowed!
Perhaps others will be invited to tune in. And that would be a “date”.
Of course! Call it “cloud sex.” It would of course even be optimized to match virtual partners.
You are some kind of brain bug. We need to experiment on you to what makes you a tick.
“…a sickness of mind that has infected the whole thinking class of America as it succumbed to the ultimate smashing of boundaries: the one between what is real and what is not real (or what is true and what is not true.)”
I happened to experience this up close just the other night at a group supposedly gathered to discuss the issue of global warming and its connection to capitalism. They seemed like quite normal folks, middle-class, mostly Millennial (though I admit “normal Millennial” may be a contradiction in terms).
But once we got going, rather than discussing the effects of greenhouse gases upon the climate, the conversation instead rapidly coalesced around condescending, all-purpose aspersions on religious believers and Trump supporters—including (or especially?) these peoples’ own family members.
Even more interestingly, these aspersions developed in perfect sync with a broad praise, echoed all around the table, of the idea that **all is a creation of our own selves and wishes**, and that the endless plumbing of one’s own “unconscious” is a far truer and nobler cause than following a creed (no matter how richly, sincerely, generously…).
So it’s fascinating to see how readily most of these self-declared “skeptics” and “empiricists” and “free thinkers” yield to just that sanctimony and groupthink one is used to expect in the evangelical. What is scary is that these herdlings and their opinions, now dime-a-dozen and almost completely automatic, indeed represent the intellectual and institutional “mainstream”—as anyone with connections to “the Academy” routinely sees.
I increasingly feel that, forced to choose, I might sooner side with the sanctimonious evangelical than with this current crop of sanctimonious credulo-skeptics. To be sure, neither instills greatest confidence; both have blots on their records, and are commonly hypocrites; but the former at least admits the primacy of notions like truth, temperance, humility and grace, as opposed to the subconscious roto-rooting and spiritual onanism prized by the latter.
FWIW I’d guess that on this whole self-indulgent reality-optional mess Nietzsche has a great deal to answer for, but Freud and even Jung seem to be the real Pied-Pipers, as they weaponized it into a professional practice, a “standard of care”. Hence “know thyself” has over decades been gradually twisted into “deify thyself”—and we are seeing the fruits in government and the professions. (Oh the irony: “therapy” as a vector of mental illness!)
Let me guess at the conclusions reached by your friends as to who’s causing ‘climate change’.
President Trump
Free enterprise economics
White Americans (about 3% of world population)
Conservative Christian’s
Am I close?
Brh
Au contraire, Pierre! Nietzsche, ever the realist (and most misunderstood philosopher to ever live) to the end, simply described what was going on, he never advocated for it. Nietzsche saw the truth first, and was duly driven crazy for his efforts.
Why should the truth drive one crazy? His mental illness was probably completely unrelated to his philosophy and worldview…
He saw the truth of our current and ongoing situation. It’s driving us crazy too. He was arguably the sanest person alive at the time.
Learning to be a true ‘free-thinker’ one must undergo a great deal of suffering. Yet such suffering is never voluntary, it comes to us out of the blue through the inherent exigencies of life. Many are irreparably broken by such experiences while a few rise above their circumstances and are transformed in the process. Great scientists, mystics, and artists for the most part have taken the ‘road less traveled’…
Greta Thunberg gets the Time Person of the Year.
Trump tells her to consider anger management and go see a movie with a friend.
The MSM goes wild. They even attack Melanie.
I would like to restate Trump’s words.
Greta, act like the 16 year old you are and go home. Quit allowing nefarious people use you as a poster child. Where are Greta’s parents allowing her to be used like this. She has lost her youth.
If I were Trump, I would be going after Time magazine instead of Greta.
Greta Thunmberg is a hero.
People who troll her efforts and disparage someone with Aspergers Syndrome are losers.
OMG no respect! I always know how to spell my heroes names correctly. You must have never written someones name over and over and over….
I know how to spell her name correctly. My hands have arthritis and shake a bit. I hit the wrong key, forgot this site does not have a preview button, and hit send and it was too late.
So there, now you have some other subjects for which you may write some smart aleck slighting remarks about me. Maybe that makes you feel superior. If so, too bad you need to do that. What do you suppose that’s all about, hmm?
She ios a global traveler disparaging others for doing exactly what she is doing.
Travels on a sailboat my ass,
She was exposed traveling in a car loaded with plastic bags.
Useful idiot only.
They have taken a page from the Nazi play book in using a child to further a goal.
Shame on them and shame on her parents.
I travelled to Northumberland in a car the first week in December, although I don’t have a car normally. There were a couple of plastic bags in it, containing e.g. the dog’s food dishes.
Does that mean everything I say about climate change becomes invalid? Really?
Note that my local Sainsbury’s has a plastic bag recycling box and that no ‘single-use’ bag that comes my way ever remains ‘single use’. Although I normally have non-disposable bags with me if I’m likely to need one. Sheesh. Stop working out your guilt on a 16-year-old.
Now you’re doing it too. You people made her into a public figure – the World’s LEADING authority on climate change. And that does show how puerile your whole case is too btw. But in any case, as such she is an activist (no quotation marks, thanks Yahoo) and thus open to criticism. We live in a “Democracy”, right Mum? Or are you saying that we should bow down to this little autist or something? Or do you really know what you believe?
Let’s review. You can start by affirming we have the right to criticize children who are put in power. Just like our soldiers in the Middle East have the right to shoot 16 year olds or 12 year olds who are enemy soldiers. And just like men have the right to bed and/or marry 16 year old girls in most parts of the of the world. I know you don’t like that, cuz you don’t like the idea of men being happy. But it is the case.
My point is this child is a useful idiot put on display as they jet set her around.
She is accusing the world of crimes against her childhood as her parents take it away.
I have no guilt only disgust at what is being done to this child and as a functioning adult of at least average intelligence with children of your own you should be able to see through this.
How ever since this is pushing the cult like narrative you so cling to I can understand how you are all but blind to this.
Imagine a role reversal she is on the crusade to refute AGW and saying how dare you destroy first world status and tax everyone into oblivion.
How dare you attempt to cause millions of people to freeze and starve to death in their homes when you turn off the power.
How dare you!
Janos
You are becoming hysterical.
I did not make Greta Thunberg into anything. I don’t pay her any attention. But I’m amused by the animosity she has managed to provoke in a whole lot of seemingly adult men.
She is not a ‘leading authority on climate change’. She does not claim to be a ‘leading authority on climate change’. She wants governments to pay attention to climate scientists, who are the leading authority on climate change..
“Let’s review. You can start by affirming we have the right to criticize children who are put in power.”
She is not in power. She is a young and very sincere activist, from what I can see.
The rest of your post is beyond belief.
“And just like men have the right to bed and/or marry 16 year old girls in most parts of the of the world. I know you don’t like that, cuz you don’t like the idea of men being happy. But it is the case.”
Men only have the ‘right to bed and/or marry 16-year-olds in *some* parts of the world because 16-year-old girls have NO RIGHTS in those countries. Nor do they have many when they’re older. We seem to be talking about the kind of countries you normally despise, but you do seem to be obsessed with the idea of sex with powerless adolescents. Keep it to yourself.
Italics should have stopped at para 3, but a bit of extra emphasis won’t do any harm.
Sweet Greta, the tool,
First World must accept the screw,
Who’s hand drives it home?
You know Himself was on the short-list, right?
You really couldn’t seriously expect an actual adult response from him, tough, surely, JAZ? And what did you make of the photoshop job?
Seriously, I’d be interested to know how an Adherent manages to squeeze that one past the “is he in fact insane?” filter.
…except that’s NOT what Himself said.
And then he ‘frankensteined’ his ancient decrepit head onto a 16 y/o female body. What was he thinking (if he WAS thinking, as opposed to emotional-rage reacting)?
The ‘Rocky’ thing was a great joke (or was it?) but the Greta/Trump
Abomination was a scream of jealously at his being passed over for the Title (even though there’s no cash prize…)
Victor Davis Hanson lays it all out….
The Epoch Times, Falun Gong people, do a good job. Their Chinese books are quite good.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Gkm77usT0
Say folks,
Is there a way I can find my posts on this blog without scrolling through the whole thing?
What?
Sunburst
Ctrl + F and type your name in the box at the top of the screen. Then use the up and down arrows to toggle between your comments (or mentions of your name, which will also come up).
Shucks Alba I have an Android tablet…
“Shucks Alba I have an Android tablet…”
SBS,
And learn to code, dammit….
Learn to code? I don’t even know what that means…
SBS,
“Learn to Code” is/was a catchphrase on the site to advise the misfortunate how to bootstrap themselves in this economy….
“Learn to code” was a phrase/meme directed against MSM reporters caught telling lies; it was a humorous means of advising them on a new line of work.
On prog-fascist social media sites like TweetFace, anyone using the phrase was usually banned for “hate speech.”
Sorry, sunburst. I’m sure Mr Google will tell you if you ask nicely. 🙂
Since I don’t like to half answer a question, sunburst, I looked it up for you:
In the stock browser:
Menu > More > Find on Page
In Chrome:
Tap on the menu button, go to “find in page” and type your search string. You can also do it via Chrome’s omnibox. Take a look at the first option with the magnifying glass inside the box (see link below).
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-do-control-+-f-in-Android-devices
Thanks Alba, you’re a real saint. If ever you need someone to defend your honor you can call on me…
Haha, sunburst. Sainthood is suffering from grade inflation. 🙂
They’ve lost their minds…. I find the reporting of all of the fake economic statistics fascinating. Apparently, if the real Unemployment number was used that it’d be around 21%. The Society is Nuts…. The Democrats are going to likely run Joe Biden. They’ll be eaten alive…. They just Lie straight to your face….
Of Two Minds blog:
December 13, 2019
Anyone who thinks this bogus “deal” has resolved any of the issues or uncertainties deserves to be fired immediately.
Here’s a late-night TV parody of a trade deal: The agreement won’t be signed by both parties, though each might sign their own version of it, and the terms of the deal will never ever be revealed to the public, which includes everyone doing any business in the nations doing the “deal.”
How is this “deal” not a pathetic parody of a real deal? A real deal is signed by both parties and is made public, so the business community can make informed decisions. The leaders who sign the agreement have to sell their respective nations on the benefits of the deal and explain the horse-trading that is part and parcel of any voluntary agreement.
But nope, this “deal” has none of that. If the “deal” is so great, why is it secret?
Anyone claiming a deal so odious or empty that it can’t be revealed to the electorate has destroyed whatever credibility they had left after 18 months of teases and promises. Put yourself in the shoes of a soybean farmer. Are you going to plant another 1,000 acres of soybeans because now that the “deal” is done, you can be absolutely confident that your entire harvest will be bought by China?
You’re joking, right? Anyone making decisions based on this travesty of a mockery of a sham “deal” should have their medications checked.
And scene: Corporate America boardroom: CEO stands and addresses the board:
CEO: Now that the President signed off on the “deal,” I propose we invest $100 million in a new factory in China, because the President said it was a “great deal.”
Board member: But we have no idea what the deal even specifies.
CEO: Well, I’m sure it’s “great.”
Board member: The Chinese are signing a different version of the deal, they’re not even signing whatever the President signed off on.
CEO: I’m confused. The trade “deal” is done, so let’s move forward with the $100 million.
Board member: But there are no credible enforcement mechanisms in the deal. Our intellectual property is at risk, and for what gains? Expanding production in Vietnam is less risky, production costs are lower and there’s none of the uncertainty we face in China.
CEO: The “deal” has been signed, so everything’s fixed, correct?
Board member: Nothing’s been fixed, and I’ll have to call for your resignation if you insist on gambling $100 million in China, a gamble that could destroy this company.
Please tell me this “trade deal” is a bad joke, a parody being played for laughs. Please don’t tell me anyone is taking it seriously. Hey, I have a deal for you, a great deal. The other party is signing another version, but never mind, it’s a great deal. And all the terms are secret, but never mind, it’s a great deal.
Everyone connected with this pathetic parody has lost all credibility. Anyone who thinks this bogus “deal” has resolved any of the issues or uncertainties deserves to be fired immediately.
Stock Market goes up on the news of the “Great Trade Deal”….
They’re obviously insane….
The stock market is largely driven by trading algorithms for the large investment banks and funds these days. It means nothing. Smith continues to speak truth to power.
FIRE DRILL FRIDAY!!!
The screws arrested actress Sally Field, in DC exercising her constitutional right to protest, bringing attention to our warming planet and the end of life as we know it.
The sonsabitches arrested the Flying Nun!
I’ve got a good mind to drive down to Washington to bust her out.
WHO’S WITH ME????
brh
Yikes!
Sister Bertrille is in the slammer.
Maybe she can slap that hat on and just fly right out of there.
Serious question.
Greta, Jane, Sally etc., how many of the folks really understand what is really going on with climate change?
How many have idea one what to do about it?
Follow the liberal leader!
We’ll bust her out see. It’ll go like this one of us will pull a ruse at the front desk, somebody else will get the keys and sneak in see and unlock the cells. Get Jane Fonda out too and any other Hollywood stars locked up, we’ll escape south out of DC the same route John Wilkes Booth took after he assassinated President Lincoln. After that I don’t know I haven’t thought that far ahead. We’ll have to wing it see.
Brh
Boris Johnson Colluded With Russians: https://youtu.be/9o-TM7hoqxs
Disappointing – it’s been removed for some reason …either because it wasn’t true…or because it was.
Yes because it worked so well with Orange man bad.
This Russia Russia Russia narrative is getting old and worn out.
Who-the-Hell is Fabius Maximus?!
https://fabiusmaximus.com/
It is a bit incredible and insane that we’ve reached a point wherein the Left is projecting all of their own “Crimes” and “Evil” onto Trump.
Fascinating….
A bit like a group of de facto Satanists persecuting a Bloke who is not a devil worshipper, but who sometimes has evil thoughts…
Bizarre….
Do you remember when Ole Jimmy Swaggart would cry and bawl on stage about Sin and then in the evening get dressed up in a jogging suit and a wig and run out to a cheap motel to engage in sodomy with cheap hookers?
Lol Jimmy Swaggart. He still runs a giant empire despite those hookers and people still tithe generously. I am a big believer in Redemption. But I could never attend his church. That awful singing! Somebody should have the heart to tell them in a nice way. But if you listen to their broadcast they love conspiracy theories too.
At the risk of repeating myself, for those who missed it in a previous thread:
https://youtu.be/TriaOVgwc1Y
Boris Johnson colluded with the Russians: https://youtu.be/7pmYn1Rr3oA
Ah – NOT taken down, but hardly evidence of anything but a guy with a microphone and an arsehole…arseholes being like opinions, in that everyone has one.
After the black teenage kid brings around the “Ho’s” to the tool shed in the back yard, tell him to get ready to pump the repo.
“
“Massive… Huge… Largest Ever”: Fed Will Flood Market With Gargantuan $500 Billion In Liquidity To Avoid Year-End Repo Crisis”
Jerome Powell is REPO MAN.
REPO MAN is always intense.
Contemplate Wiener’s laptop as Miller stirs the smoldering fire in the drum on the repo lot…
Contemplate the same as the NewMexican Highway Patrolman dares open the trunk of the Chevy Malibu and is reduced to a smoking pair of leather boots…
Whatever became of those NYC detectives who dared view the laptop contents?
$500 billion in liquidity is just another way of saying:
“Let’s eat sushi and not pay!”
(REPO MAN, 1984, dir. Alex Cox. Harry Dean Stanton, Emilio Estevez. 98%/critics Rotten Tomatoes)
Gangstas from the Anacostia neighborhood joining Sally Fields and Jane Fonda in their ‘Fire Drill Friday’ protest, Brothas sayin it’s too goddam hot in DC in the summer, and it’s got hotter since the m#thrf#kkr in the White House pulled us out of the Paris Accord. They scattered pretty quick tho when the popo showed up and began making arrests. They been downtown plenty and are a little puzzled these white hoes are so eager to get arrested. Are they f#kkin crazy?
Brh
“Hillary Clinton sure got her money’s worth with the Fusion GPS deal …”
It’s almost the last year of the decade (2020), and Kunstler is still talking about ancient history. He is even opening his columns with this shite – he sounds very desperate indeed.
I was willing to forgive him during his peak oil days – saying the technological and resource collapse was just around the corner, even when it didn’t happen (and still hasn’t happened).
I do agree with him though that the fracking boost is a short-term sugar hit, and will not lead to any sustainable solutions. The West is in dire trouble when the Real Oil declines, and a technocratic structure can no longer support itself.
But meanwhile – why bang on about 2015, 2016, or 2017? Even if everything JHK says about those Democrat / Deep State days is absolutely proved true … it doesn’t matter any more, and it doesn’t absolve Trump from all his evil, theft, and corruption.
I really don’t see why he doesn’t accept this – unless he believes that the destruction of the Democratic Party will be a good thing for his country. Who knows?
I love how foreigners always have the audacity to tell Americans how to think and live. The Captain does what he wants. Who are you to question, especially when the answers to your questions have clearly been explained in detail? So I would laugh if the Captain ordered you to walk the plank.
“I love how foreigners always have the audacity to tell Americans how to think and live. ”
So we can expect no more critical comments about how Europe manages its affairs then, SSL?
Unitl I feel that something needs to be said then you can expect no more critical comments about how Europe manages its affairs.
I don’t have any objection to you opining on Europe. I just wondered why it wasn’t a two-way thing.
Oh it’s a very two way thing don’t you worry about that. But it’s the way one goes about saying things that counts. Opining about something is quite a different thing than suggesting that someone is thinking in a wrong way about things. I know you understand. But yes, please feel free to opine. Who am I to tell you not to.
“Opining about something is quite a different thing than suggesting that someone is thinking in a wrong way about things. ”
Both are opining. If you tell me I’m not seeing things clearly because I don’t see Jesus and I don’t see everything through a racial prism, you’re still opining.
And if I tell you I can see fine, thank you, I’m still opining too.
You’re over-complicating the ‘two-way’ thing. I just meant that you repeatedly express surprise and not a little indignation that people who don’t live in the US have the temerity to comment on its affairs (I tend not to unless they are affairs with global or at least international implications – I leave the real ‘home’ stuff to you on the whole), while you have no problem at all commenting on European (including UK) affairs and I’m not aware if you’ve even visited.
Though I find it super interesting and super funny that you see Europe as some sort of hegemon. Isn’t the EU on life support?
EU is threatening to levy ‘Climate’ tariffs on US goods if we don’t come round to their way of thinking. Not China or Russia, just the USA. Of course, when the Russian army begins moving west, it’ll be these same EU worms who come crawling to the USA to save their asses.
Not too worry, candidate Bloomberg stated yesterday that in his first term he will close all coal, natgas and petroleum fired power plants. How we will produce electricity for 330 million people he didn’t say. Maybe it will magically appear.
Brh
Where did I say Europe was a hegemon? It’s a geographical area, which, for the purposes of this exchange, might be compared to the US.
Which isn’t a hegemon either, as far as I can see.
” Of course, when the Russian army begins moving west…”
Maybe you are watching too many movies, brh.
I’d say the US is an empire in retreat, SSL, as the UK was a long time before it. Empires in retreat can get belligerent, though, as they sputter their last ambitions.
Nothing wrong with retreating and living within your means, though. But it’s a challenge.
Yes, England out of Ireland and Muslims and Black Africa out of Europe. As you just said.
Yes Bloomberg is a member of the Inner Circle. He certainly seems to be the epitome of a Globalist. Remember Agenda 21? I think he would be/is a big fan of it. Consolidating the entire human population of the planet (once it is greatly reduced) to densely packed urban centers while the remainder of the land is returned to primeval wilderness. And in the cities the Elite will merge with the AI machines and become like gods and the ordinary people that are left will be slaves like people were to the gods of Ancient Egypt, the Annunaki of Sumeria, etc.
Alba you never said hegemon that was me. That was the word that came to mind when you said “how Europe manages its affairs”. It just gave me the impression that Europe was some sort of monolith lol, theres another one for you ;-). And I could be wrong because I am not living there but isn’t it the case that Europe consists of countries with opposing world views? That seems to be why they differ on policies like immigration and why there is the appearance of fragmentation there. But maybe I misunderstand the situation.
” Maybe it will magically appear”
BRH,
Or, more likely, a good percentage of the 330 million will disappear….
BRH –
The EU can levy tariffs of whatever it likes for whatever reason tickles its fancy. They could call it ‘Der 5% Wanker Trump’ levy if they decided to.
I guess Himself is really worried because, as we all know from Himself himself, tariffs fall on the exporter, right?
So, given his clumsy incompetent first-strike with tariffs in 2017. Farmers in the toilet, small local businesses (Ohio, Indiana & PA being 3 cases I learned about) who went out of business due to the increases in steel & aluminum prices.
So, I’m thinking the EU, having a much wider source of similar or substitutable goods, a tariff levy on a few select USA product lines COULD do significant harm. Hey! Maybe Himself is right…? Sort of..?
Majella, I read Merkel is against such Climate Levys so it probably won’t happen. Germany seems to run the show in Europe.
SSL
“Alba you never said hegemon that was me. ”
YOU told me that I saw Europe as some sort of hegemon.
The expression ‘how Europe manages its affairs’ does not preclude variations of affairs, priorities or anything else between European countries (not all of which are in the EU, even), any more than a reference to the US managing its affairs precludes variations in practices and preferences between its member states. Variations which seem to be quite pronounced.
Janos
“Yes, England out of Ireland and Muslims and Black Africa out of Europe. As you just said.”
As I just said when and in what context? Your comment lacks clarity.
In what way is ‘England’ in Ireland, at the moment, in your opinion?
Quite a lot of ‘Ireland’ is in ‘England’. Also in Scotland and Wales. A bit of it is in my house. How dare they?
2017 is ancient history according to Car gill. The mind reels at the tiny scope of these aquatics.
Kindly provide examples of Trump’s “evil, theft, and corruption” backed with concrete evidence.
You won’t, of course, as you don’t have any. Not even one example backed with hard evidence.
Ponder that u nut.
theft – look up particulars of his having to compensate for money collected and stolen from so called charitable purposes – his phony colleges might be included in this category
Evil – and corruption – for starters fucking a prostitute while his wife giving birth and later on lying about bribing her to keep quiet about it
ponder his former attorney’s testimony on how he defrauded banks by overstating wealth to banks and lying in the other direction when filing taxes
do some research into all the ways he’s stiffed contractors who were hired by him to build his palaces
but simpletons like you have no hope of overcoming their cognitive dissonance
Ah, EvelynV!
A well laid out ‘road-map’ to your demanded evidence, Herr Staatsanwaltschaft!
Huh?
*crickets*
Repeated for the seemingly low of IQ:
Provide a list of crimes and concrete evidence for those crimes.
Should be simple. Why can’t you do it?
*yawn*
A question you still can’t answer.
🙂
*yyyaaawwwnnnn….?*
“Evil – and corruption – for starters fucking a prostitute while his wife giving birth…”
Evelyn,
Perhaps weak. Perhaps lacking in judgment. Evil? Perhaps not….
Cargill,
It is difficult to find something to write an essay about week after week. He found something to relieve himself of the burden for a while.
It’s sad he chose a subject to placate such an unworthy audience, one that already had surfeit of whack job writers to keep them mentally anesthetized – Limbaugh, Savage, Krauthammer, Coulter, etc.
“…..bring them all in and compel their testimony under penalty of perjury.”
Sure, if they live that long. You know how the SheBeast of Chappaqua
solves potentially embarrassing problems.
Yeah, two shot suicides.
It is a real picture of the world situation that both Putin and Clinton can just eliminate their detractors and no one has the guts to lock them up.
There is a jail in NYC where the Witch could go where suicides are common I hear.
BRH
The EU is going to unilaterally tariff the US for climate related goods. Ha, what a joke. How else to “punish” the bad guys for the inspiration for Brexit that we have given.
Russia, next door, controls the fossil fuels available to the EU. Talk about hypocrisy, calling out the US unilaterally for climate change impact when they are burning the hell out of Russian oil. The US was, is and will be the primary driver for improving usage of fossil fuels. The EU needs to stop talking anti-Trump BS and actually do something about getting off the Russian tit. And guess where the pipelines transit from Russia into Europe. Ukraine!
The EU is going down, a memorial to the idea that international bureaucracy is superior to nations watching out for themselves.
Producing oil is a dirty business, period. It is a polluter and CO2 producer before it is even burned.
How long will it take to convert the energy needs for 7+billion people from fossil fuel to something ? Else. Not ten years, not twenty. Fifty years at least. We do not even have a legitimate alternative(s) yet.
Fifty years, let’s see, what happens in fifty or so years. Something about Peak oil and gas.
If we do not start creating alternatives NOW, AGW be damned, we will still have a major disruption to humanity in fifty or so years.
A corollary, oil is too precious to be wasting it on burning it. We need to hoard it, make stuff from it, lubricate with it, farm with it.
Conversion of energy to electricity is step one. Then creation of new ways of generating electricity is number two.
Sitting on our thumbs is not an option.
AGW believers, you have a major job in the near future. Instead of antagonizing Donald Trump, you need to convince him that the forecasts of climate change are accurate and that the world we know is going to be literally blown away by increasing atmospheric violence. The critical points of required change are in the next decade, and Trump’s re-election is becoming more and more certain.
If the AGWs were serious about their cause, they would spend their time talking to Trump about the innovative aspects of electric conversion and the economic payback.
Instead, we will probably spend all our time trying to find a BS reason to impeach him, as the world continues its suicide mission.
That is reason number one why the Dems need to be crushed next year. We cannot afford their shenanigans any more slowing down progress towards oil use reduction.
JohnAZ
“How else to “punish” the bad guys for the inspiration for Brexit that we have given.”
I think you are flattering yourselves unjustifiably. The Atlanticist wing of the Tory party has been fighting the European wing since we first joined the Common Market in the 70s and has nothing whatever to do with Trump or his voters.
The Brexit vote was June 2016. Trump was’t even elected at that point. Any inspiration would have been in the other direction.
“The US was, is and will be the primary driver for improving usage of fossil fuels. ”
????
“Conversion of energy to electricity is step one. Then creation of new ways of generating electricity is number two.”
Scotland is a leader in this – we have huge wind and tidal resources, with development of them increasing apace. As we agree, it doesn’t remove the need for liquid fuel.
“If the AGWs were serious about their cause, they would spend their time talking to Trump about the innovative aspects of electric conversion and the economic payback.”
Allegedly he’s a businessman, not an idiot who needs to be spoonfed ideas about business opportunities. But maybe I’ve got that wrong – I wouldn’t presume to judge. On the other hand, there is a basic minimum of scientific literacy that should be required in a person claiming fitness to govern an advanced nation. I have a book called ‘Physics for Future Presidents‘ – happy to lend it to him, even though it’s a bit late.
I totally agree with you that the whole impeachment thing is inappropriate. I don’t care if you elect a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig – you’re stuck with it until it’s done its time, barring seriously nefarious conduct on office.
I also agree with you about education regarding the prioritisation of oil usage and leverage. I wouldn’t want to bet my pension on it happening, though, so the trajectory of my modest pension will likely follow the trajectory of the oil.
“The Brexit vote was June 2016. Trump was’t even elected at that point. Any inspiration would have been in the other direction.”
Indeed, Obama tried hard (dare I say meddled?), warning about “going to the back of the line” or some such malarkey, in an attempt to sway the vote in the other direction.
Personally I have never held much regard for celebrity endorsements, although if AOC endorsed a particular brand of toothpaste I absolutely would oblige.
“Allegedly he’s a businessman…” Perhaps it’s all a sham and DJT is no more than the phony wizard behind the curtain. But if memory serves he has developed a property even in Scotland — having financial troubles too, so maybe “allegedly” fits… Golf is in decline, at least in the USA. And anyway it’s just a matter of time before the eco-terrorists bury land mines and excavate punji pits in the manicured fairways and greens — I mean, all that water and fertilizer for what? Using a stick to deposit a small ball in a hole in the ground?
“…there is a basic minimum of scientific literacy…” Heck, even 16 year old schoolgirls in Sweden get it. They just haven’t thought through all the implications of that literacy. Not that ignorance is bliss, ever, but… no more golf? Football? BMWs? Air Travel? Air Conditioning? Power Lawnmowers? Bitcoin? Hollywood? Amazon? And I’m only a few pages into your chapter on entropy.
Maybe once the silly season (impeachment, election, end etc) has concluded and half the nation is crying in its Beer/Chardonnay, our host will circle back to Techno-Narcissism more often and we can once again assess what remains and opine on how to make the best of it.
REPARATIONS GRAVY TRAIN—-VIA DRUDGE
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BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — The promise of reparations to atone for historical ties to slavery has opened new territory in a reckoning at U.S. colleges, which until now have responded with monuments, building name changes and public apologies.
Georgetown University and two theological seminaries have announced funding commitments to benefit descendants of the enslaved people who were sold or toiled to benefit the institutions.
While no other schools have gone so far, the advantages that institutions received from the slavery economy are receiving new attention as Democratic presidential candidates talk about tax credits and other subsidies that nudge the idea of reparations toward the mainstream.
passers-by walk near an entrance to a building at Harvard Law School, in Cambridge, Mass.
A cluster of commitments to atone for historical ties to slavery marks new territory in a reckoning at U.S. colleges that have responded up until now with monuments, building names changes and public apologies.
TWO FOR ONE HOLIDAY SPECIAL
“The utter falsity of the Steele dossier seems not to have yet penetrated the minds of Dean Baquet and Martin Baron, editors of The New York Times and The Washington Post, the head cheerleaders for the seditious coup by the security state. Their obdurate mendacity can no longer be attributed to a simple quest for clicks and eyeballs. It speaks to a sickness of mind that has infected the whole thinking class of America as it succumbed to the ultimate smashing of boundaries: the one between what is real and what is not real (or what is true and what is not true.)”
I’m afraid you have it wrong.
Their “obdurate mendacity” can only be attributed to a pre-meditated plan designed to CONTINUE to use their publication for what it is intended….a PSY OP aimed at MIND CONTROL of the GOY.
MUCH the same, I might add, as 99% of the other members of the MSM, regardless of party affiliation.
And it results from the wonderful legislation passed in the CLINTON years which allowed the CONSOLIDATION of the entire TELECOMMUNICATIONS industry, until today, 5 companies control 99% of the MSM.
We live in 1984.
For God’s sakes…don’t you feel THEIR BOOT STOMPING ON YOUR FACE DAY AND NIGHT ?
Some people like that boot on their human face. It makes them feel alive.
Step on me again a little higher to the left!
You leave out a critical detail, something that is rarely discussed.
Before Obama left office, he legalized propaganda in the US of A, via the Smith-Mundt Act.
This is why the lying at MSM outlets is off the charts. It enabled them to do what they call “accountabilty journalism” which by their own definition is jouranlism based in what one feels is morally right, facts be damned
Even here, this is rarely discussed. And that is how they rule you.
I just did a little research on the Smith-Mundt Act and I don’t see how it enables the MSM to practice “accountability journalism”. Twisting reality around to fit a particular political narrative is a form of insanity pure and simple…
…more like dishonesty, not insanity.
You can label it dishonesty Majella but as I see it anyone who deliberately distorts reality for any reason must be insane…
It is now legal to propagandize the citizenry. You don’t see how this enables disinformation?
LOL.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/planting-stories-in-the-press-lifting-of-us-propaganda-ban-gives-new-meaning-to-old-song/237493/
You seem to be suggesting that those who spread disinformation via the media have made a conscious decision to do so because the Smith-Mundt Act gives them a free rein and I just don’t buy it. What we see going on would be happening with or without such “enabling”…
No that is not what I said.
Think harder.
Nightowl,
I read your posted article more carefully and what I get out of it (tell me if I’m getting warm) is that Obama, who is a deep state globalist, lifted the ban on disseminating propaganda in the States for the purpose of facilitating the globalist cause, specifically through allowing deep state sympathizers in the media to publish propaganda pieces without fear of being sued for spreading disinformation…
Facilitating, yes. One of many components. Ding, ding.
…but, of c CB purse, the only propaganda organs are those you disdain, right? Fox isn’t, I’m guessing, and OAN isn’t…
Why do people get so upset when you go out of your way to offer them advice? I saw a midget smoking a cigarette in the parking lot of our neighborhood fruit market, so I walked over to him and said, hey buddy those things will stunt your growth. He gave me a head butt to the groin…
I see the ‘Pucker’ influence in that post, LoL.
Maybe if you hadn’t approached him with your zipper open and was it really a head butt or something else less violent?
What a dirty mind you have EvelynV!! I’m truly shocked…?
Maybe that’s why its called a fruit market…
Janos,
Toynbee was one of the great creative minds of the twentieth century. The outline for his ‘Study of History’ came to him in a vision when he was in his early twenties (traveling by train through Eastern Europe). He basically spent the rest of his life filling in the details…
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/law-school-student-interrogated-by-fbi-expelled-over-its-okay-to-be-white-flyers/
The President of the College was outraged by this student’s practice of his first amendment rights. “It’s OK to be everybody” he idiotically said. Bet he doesn’t say that in reply to “Black Lives Matter” though. So he ruined this student, drove him out of the profession before he even made the bar. The FBI sanctimoniously declared that the student was no threat. No doubt John Az is relieved…..
America as such is over. The Elite have succeeded in making us third class citizens. The Builder Race. The Real Americans.
Is an explanation necessary? Evidently it is: If it’s Ok to be White, then saying as much should be Ok too. If it isn’t, then they don’t think it is Ok to be White. The more aware among us knew that that was their attitude, thus the tactic. I know it’s hard for many of you to admit, but We were right and everyone else was wrong. We saw it first, not you.
I know you like to bust my stones, Janos.
You enjoy it, I get a good laugh out of it … we all come out winners.
Brh
Yeah, nothing personal. You’re an Enemy, the Enemy within. If we managed to come thru, you People would have to be dealt with or more likely, you would deal with us since your number is legion.
Thus my hopes for an America 2.0 are slim. It has to go completely and the New built on new foundations. The old ones were compromised from the very beginning. Way too much Masonry (and thus Judaism) and lust for Profit from the very get go.
Hey, Janos, in America2.0, what are you going to do with all the Browns, of all colors, that are here already.
Lincoln tried to export the problem, but I here Liberia is full. No one wants to go “back” to Africa, that was Abe’s problem.
Liberia was a failed experiment the majority of people sent there died.
BRH
Go get him!
Nah.
Janos considers me an ‘Enemy’ LOL! because I’m a member of the American Legion, not his Brownshirt Legion.
I’m proud of my father’s service in Europe in WW2, (793rd Combat Military Police battalion) and all my uncles too. Malthus posted he thinks Janos is from somewhere in Eastern Europe. If that’s the case I don’t worry too much what foreigners think of me, or my country.
Brh
The Truth. Whites have no future until the current powers are dispensed with because they do not want us to exist. The Great Replacement is not a theory. It’s official policy and it is so sad that so many Whites directly or indirectly support it. But we are supposedly the racists and the haters and all we want is our own spaces and lands. And see, we gave them space and their lands and see how we have been treated. We should always remember that. You give them an inch and they fight you for a mile.
The Natives could not stop the immigrants flowing from over populated and starving Europe.
They were annihilated.
The takeover today, for that is what it is, can be stopped.
Build the wall! This alone with no. Two will slow or stop the long distance caravan transits.
Control the border.
Make people go back when their time is up.
Stop the cartels. Hard to do politically since our elite is a part of the action.
Punish employers for illegal hiring. Big time need.
Any more?
Aramco went public, current market value: $2 trillion.
Most valuable company in the world.
DIVEST THIS!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/nyregion/nypd-reme-unit-supremacist-nazis.html
REME! Police fighting force created out of another special police force to fight Nazis after the Nazis – I mean Black Jews – killed some real Jews. Jews are at the Center of existence. Anyone who disagrees with them for any reason is the Enemy. The truthful details don’t matter.
The article describes a fight between the Proud Boys – who don’t believe in Race, and the Antifa. The Antifa refused to testify, didn’t bring charges, and didn’t even go to court. The prosecution didn’t care and charged the Proud Boys and only the Proud Boys. The details don’t matter. Nazis are whomever the Elite need Nazis to be. As long as they’re White and against the way things are going, then the Procrustean bed will be employed to cookie cut them into the right size.
BRH probably approves because he thinks Jews are at the Centre of Existence and somebody has to be. His own People don’t matter as long as he can be a fan for the Right Side. In this he is much like Elrond who also doesn’t believe his own people matter as long as HE can be a fan or advocate for the right side, that side being anybody who isn’t White. In this he is “broader” than BRH though still a stunted soul of course.
See above post.
See post below above post.
Janos,
Why do you keep beating the race drum? I’m sure you must realize in your heart of hearts it will avail you nothing. Providence is moving towards a blending and purification of the races, and I for one am pretty sure such a trend is the only path by which world peace will ever be attained…
Yeah, purifying us out of existence. Mix the thorough bred racehorse,
the lineage of Arabian horses mixed with larger European breeds, refined through the centuries, with the old nag next stall over – the result with be a better horse, right?
Or mix all the dog breeds together, and the result will be a super dog having the abilities and traits of all over them, right? As big as an Irish Wolfhound and as small as a chiuauaua (fuck the spelling and you too) – simultaneously!
No, friend Sunny, the Global Elite are not the same as Providence or Nature. The latter two are interested in Diversity, the former is not – thus it prates endlessly of it while it negates it in practice. Careless breeding results in the loss of traits – IQ being just one though perhaps the most important. Careful breeding among Whites could result in a superb physical specimens of high IQ. Obviously culture has to take over then to try to inculcate high character and ideals as well on an individual basis or case by case basis – beginning with being born in a strong family.
That you conflate the Will of God and the Will of the Antichrist is sad and even terrifying if one thinks about it. Repent, fiend Sunny.
No one said anything about ‘careless breeding’ and I agree superior human traits need to be preserved and strengthened. Yet is it not conceivable each race may have its own uniquely superior traits which are beneficial to the human community as a whole? If the races are blended with an eye towards preserving such superior traits then ultimately it will be a win/win situation for all…
“…the only path by which world peace will ever be attained…”
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SBS,
Yes, I see your point. South side of Chicago, lacking diversity other than the black and brown, is a goddamned utopia.
Ditto Africa.
Peace will be attained when the last human breaths his last breath.
It was best in the Ukraine, where Obama, McStain, Nuland and the globalist cabal used actual Nazis to overthrow the sitting president and attack people in the streets.
Did Sally Field get sprung yet? Or is she still in the joint?
“Whatcha in for, Sal?”
“Protesting a bad weather forecast for the year 2120”.
“Whew, that’s tough. They’re gonna give you at least a tenner for that.”
“I can handle it. Its for the future.”
Brh
Daw Suu! True Greatness. Standing up for her people in the Bastion of Hell against its Muslims minions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi#Name
Just as the Global Slave Masters used Communism to break down nations in the last century, now Islam is being used as a fighting force.
Every Rohingya must be expelled. Driven into the Sea or back into the Hell of East Bengal. Some will die along the way? Only a few – it’s not very far. Utterly acceptable losses – so that the People of Burma may live in the Peace born of Isolation.
This existential struggle with Muslims is going to be a daily reality in much of Europe very soon, if it isn’t already. And since we have invited them in here it could be the same in places like Michigan and Minnesota in the not too distant future. Muslims don’t really present you with any other choice than convert or die. And conversion doesn’t guarantee that much cruelty won’t be visited upon you in the interim. So right or wrong you are right. If you don’t won’t to submit you can’t suffer to live among Muslims.
The existential struggle between Muslims, Jews, and Christians arises because people confuse God with their beliefs about God. There is only one Creator God who is the ‘True Parents’ (representative of both the male and female principal in the created world) of all humankind. The real God is neither Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, but something which by far transcends all human belief systems…
I agree with you metaphysically, but does that negate the need to defend oneself, one’s family, and one’s nation, culture, and civilization?
Every school marm in the land lies to little boys when she intones, “It takes two to fight.” Every man or smart boy knows it takes only one.
It doesn’t negate the need to preserve superior human traits as everything else follows from this. I am only arguing such superior traits are not limited to the White Race. The other races also have superior traits which need to be preserved…
They can can their own preserves and let us can our own. But Blacks are obsessed with OUR Women – I mean have you seen theirs? How wisely your Urantia Book speaks of them, if only you would believe!
Not all races add anything. Think of the Orange and the Green. Who is next to go? Us or the Blacks? You have to choose. Don’t let your daughter choose for you. She chose racial death.
The R.E.M.E. unit appears to be one of the first of its kind organized in a local police department, and its creation underscores the urgency with which law enforcement views the threat of far-right inspired attacks.
According to the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks such incidents, 50 people were killed by extremists in the United States in 2018, and every one of the incidents was linked to far-right ideologies.
Sounds like that police unit is politically motivated and after DiBalssio is gone it will be disbanded. I don’t think there are too many White Supremacists in NYC. Matter of fact, read recently out of a pop. of 8 million 4.5 million residents are 3rd world foreign born.
If this Tessa Majors murder is any indication NY has more problems than White Supremacists.
One interesting fact I read recently, reading Richard Zachs book ‘Island of Vice’, about Teddy Roosevelt’s stint as police commissioner in Manhattan, in 1895 the minority population in NY, Brooklyn etc was 1%. Things have changed a little in the past 120 years.
Brh
SSL
The difference in Christianity and Islam is not more evident than the two founders attitude about evangelism. Christ told his disciples that if a town rejected the message, they were to leave stepping the dust off their sandals as they left. In other worlds, forget it and go on, the town will answer to God.
I have read that Mohammed had two phases in his ministry. The first was very similar to Christ’s, it is up to the townspeople to convert, if they didn’t, it was between them and Allah. That did not work well with a nomadic, warlike people. So he adapted his message to the faithful, convert or else. The Middle East, North Africa and Moorish Europe were all converted by war.
Christianity has been perverted by power jerks over the centuries, and many conversions were made by force. That was not Christ’s message.
BTW, only mankind could manage to kill so many people in the name of two very similar religions. No wonder God is about to flush us down the celestial toilet.
FREE SALLY FIELD!!!
Oh, wait a minute, I think she’s out.
‘Free on Bail, free on bail, thank God almighty she’s free on bail!’
When’s the court date?
Brh
It’s just a stupid game Brh, not really worth the bother.
Sidebar: I loved Sally Field’s portrayal of Mary Todd Lincoln in Spielberg’s flick…
I like poking fun at the absurdity of it.
Sally Field was a good actress. Not sure why she’s in the streets getting arrested at age 75.
Regarding your post below, Jim has no love for Donald Trump, which is what make his blog so interesting. He cares about the country much more than any party or individual. As for myself, I could easily hang around a site where I agree with everything being posted, and everything I post is affirmed by others and never challenged, an echo chamber if you will. But what fun would that be?
brh
No fun at all buddy. The diversity of opinions and viewpoints we find here is intellectually stimulating. I tried Reddit for awhile but I hated the point system as well as getting constantly attacked by rude, boorish teenagers.The median age here is much closer to my own…
IDK. Seems to me he just a decent human who cares about rule of law. Which all of us should. I am here because this is one of the last “left” leaning sites where one can freely state the obvious and where the author himself is clued into it.
Aside from Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi (who is late to the party and somewhat questionable in his integrity at times), I can’t think of any other somewhat prominent “lefty” who isn’t supporting the corporate state at present.
One could say I harbor a bit of anger in that regard. It is hard learning that folks you once respected will dance for the nickel.
Ego!
Everyone is a Conservative when it comes to the things they love. Some folks here would suggest JHK has sold out to the Conservatives. I am rather inclined to believe JHK simply loves honesty and integrity more than he cares about striking a particular partisan stance…
+7 insightful post
Yes indeed sbs, Mr. Kunstler is a clear case of being a lifetime democrat and a liberal that has seen his party that used to advance an agenda for which he could agree, devolve into an aberration of what it once was and is now in serious need of replacement. The republicans of course have had nothing to offer since the freeing of the slaves in 1865. Our host, IMHO, sees what his party has degraded into and longs for a return to value. I on the other hand know that you can’t go back, but you can go down. And that is what we are going to do.
I don’t know , Walter. I think TR did some good work 1901- 1909.
No doubt BRH, bad of me to overlook that. Thank you for the reminder.
Teddy R – a man who wanted equality, fairness, labour rules and unions. What a bloody commie!
You can also go up Walter…
Sick….
“In an affidavit, submitted in September in an unconnected extradition case involving oligarch Dmytro Firtash, the former prosecutor said he had been dismissed because he refused to heed the advice of then-President Petro Poroshenko to drop an investigation.
“I was forced out because … I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, where Hunter Biden was a member of the board,” the statement reads. “
Which former prosecutor? There’s been several.
I want to Go Off Grid.
The Alternative: Turn on the TV and watch a bunch of very Sick People. Pick up a newspaper written by very Sick People. Have a conversation with a bunch of Sick People.
The Society is Sick.
They can’t tell the Truth.
Of Two Minds Blog:
Could America Survive a Truth Commission?
December 2, 2019
A nation that’s no longer capable of naming names and reporting what actually happened richly deserves an economic and political collapse to match its moral collapse.
You’ve probably heard of the Truth Commissionsheld in disastrously corrupt and oppressive regimes after the sociopath/kleptocrat Oligarchs are deposed. The goal is not revenge, as well-deserved as that might be; the goal is national reconciliation via the only possible path to healing: name names and tell the plain, unadorned truth , stripped of self-serving artifice, spin, propaganda and PR.
Is such a stripped-of-spin truthful account of names and events even possible in the U.S.? Sadly, there is precious little evidence that a Truth Commission in the U.S. would be anything more than a travesty of a mockery of a sham, a parade of half-truths, misdirections, falsehoods and fabrications, all aimed at one goal: protecting the powerful from the consequences of their decisions and actions.
Sadly, we’ve lost the capacity to simply tell the truth: everything, and I mean everything, is crafted to protect the guilty, polish the putrid decay of legalized looting, defraud the unwary, ease the most venal, power-mad sociopaths into positions of unparalleled power, sell low-quality goods and services nobody needs or would even want if the marketing weren’t so Orwellian, persuade debt-serfs to borrow more and bamboozle voters into further enriching the few at the expense of the many.
The truth is no match for greed is good and don’t be evil, unless it’s incredibly profitable, in which case, go for it but cover your tracks (here’s looking at you, Big Tech). Outrage is reserved for whistleblowers who name names and reveal the sordid truths that the status quo has expended the nation’s treasure to protect from the light of day.
This is the pathetic state of America: our outrage is reserved for those telling the truth, not for the legions who lie, cheat, steal and prevaricate to conceal the truthat all costs .
The so-called gatekeepers are all corrupt and self-serving , minions of the Intelligence Community, corporate overlords, billionaires or the interest groups that fund their studies, departments, think tanks and “research” (the conclusions are established first and the “research” follows accordingly).
Who has earned our trust by refusing to toe the line of an approved narrative? Who’s left who isn’t blinded by hatred, bought off by billionaires or fearful of retribution from America’s disastrously corrupt and oppressive regime, rightfully fearing being fired, demoted, marginalized, demonetized, disappeared from public view via being de-platformed or permanently disappeared via “accident” or “suicide”?
We’ve been so jaded by all the lies, all the legal looting, all the rigged statistics, and yes, all the convenient “accidents” that we no longer trust anyone to simply report the names and events. We now assume that everyone has an ax to grind and is likely being handsomely rewarded to sharpen the ax without appearing to do so too blatantly.
A nation that’s no longer capable of naming names and reporting what actually happened richly deserves an economic and political collapse to match its moral collapse. A nation whose only reliable purpose and goal is to protect the powerful from consequences, no matter what the consequences of that corruption might be, is nothing but a hollow shell begging for one good kick to send it tumbling into the abyss.
You’ve been reading a lot of Smith lately, I see. You could definitely do worse.
” The real mystery in the impeachment attempt is, “Why are the Democrats making an attempt at impeachment with these imaginary charges? Why now?” It is an attempt that cannot possibly succeed. If it ever gets to trial, facts will be brought to light that can only result in permanent damage to the Democrats and their interests. ……
…….Mr. Kunstler, who really benefits from a failed impeachment attempt? ”
— Aboihphobia
That would get my vote for best question of the year on CFN.
My THEORY would be that winning something tangible was never really the goal .
The goal was more like getting you to accept a level of arbitrariness even in excess of what you already accept.
Sort of like Coca – Cola commercials are not primarily , seriously , trying to get you to buy that particular brand of soda drink.
The Coca – Cola commercial is primarily trying to get you to buy into a broad , general bias or conceit. They are really pushing a thought , pushing a feeling. If you do wind up buying specifically Coca – Cola , well , that’s a nice added bonus.
I’m 54 years old , and I only came to this country when I was ten.
Never the less , I barely remember a time when even the White , middle – class , McMansion crowd , too , largely subscribed to the notion that if it isn’t ok for Joe Nobody to do it , then it isn’t ok for the state to do it.
Much of the propaganda or advertising of the past 40 years it seems to me has largely been directed toward marginalizing that notion ,
and replacing it with the notion that what applies to you and the guy next door does not apply to the state.
If I did such and such ( fill in the blank ) you would conclude I was an asshole or pond scum , and wouldn’t have a moral leg to stand on.
But , somehow , if the state does the exact same thing , it is somehow ok , even highly moral.
That is what is being pushed.
As I said at first , the real goal is getting you to swallow even more arbitrariness than you already do.
If all of that is true , then —
” …. who really benefits from a failed impeachment attempt? ”
There need not be a specific who.
A whole lot of who’s stand to benefit , or think they will , if what applies to the individual in no way applies any more to the group , or even groups , that winds up with the keys to the courthouse.
Huh? wow! O no aboihphobia? O no! wow? huh
That word scares me to death.
So EvelynV, you are also frightened by words that are spelled the same backwards and forwards?
‘…rats live on no evil star…’
😉
That’s neat. 🙂
I got married in a little village called Glenelg.
I wonder if you decided to marry when you and your boy friend could only meet together at lunch time and discovered that sex at noon taxes?
Ha 🙂
I was 58 so couldn’t really call him my boy friend!
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and ‘dog as a devil lived as a god’
I hope SSL doesn’t do one her usual coo-coo bananas acts just because I brought one of the characters from her fairy tale belief system into this.
Very sound theory, KA. The dynamic you describe is quite similar to the following; Bills of Attainder are forbidden by the Constitution. Basically, the nature of a bill of attainder is that it is effectively arbitrary. The Crown (i.e. the State) declares a person “attainted” and such person can be arrested and confined, or executed without any due process. No reason need be given. From a societal perspective, utterly arbitrary. But today, here in America, there is another quite effective way to effect Bills of Attainder. Which is to create so many laws and rulings, the more arcane and illogical the better, that at any given point in time, practically everybody is breaking, or has already broken, several. Consequently, everybody becomes a “perp”. Then, through selective enforcement the effective equivalent of a Bill of Attainder can be achieved. I believe you’re spot on when you identify the arbitrariness itself to be the objective, the method through which despots display their hegemony. As in Mel Brooks’ “It’s great to be the King!”
I didn’t know that Cenk Uygur was a big Homophobe? I knew that the Young Turks massacred a bunch of Christians, but I didn’t know that they were Homophobes?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CeKS2r6cDZM
I’m Cenk Uygur, an obese moslem from Turkey who demands that white people surrender their countries to my kebab race.
Put me in congress and I will guarantee that white genocide will happen in my lifetime and the black flag of ISIS flies gloriously over the White House.
Allahu Akbar!
If they call Joe and Hunter Biden, Adam Schiff, the whistle blower and his attorney, et al, the TV ratings will break all records and stand for years to come. It would be outstanding theater. People would be glued to their sets for the duration. However, it will be interesting to see who, if anyone actually gets called, and whether any of them will show up, or try to quash subpoenas, appeal, etc. in an attempt to evade / subvert the Senate trial. All sorts of shenanigans, maneuvers, and monkey shines will occur – that you can take to the bank.
Sunburstsoldier, I agree with you that that much of the religious conflict in the world is due to the conflicting ideas of divinity that people hold. However, that was not the point of my post. Islam is not simply a religion. In fact in a traditional sense, one has to wonder if Islam is a religion at all. Most importantly Islam is a political system and code of jurisprudence designed to serve what is expected to be an ever expanding State, until such day as that State incorporates the entire world. So there is no metaphysical aspect to this other than the fact that Muslims view it as a religious duty, a Jihad, to bring the entire Earth into submission to the will of Allah. Despite the historical atrocities committed in the spread of Christianity in earlier times, Christianity has no such innate political structure or mission. Certainly not any that is supported by the religious texts or the various schools of thought. All of this to say that it doesn’t matter what one believes. What matters is what is manifest. There is no solution, there is no negotiation, there will be no bargaining or convincing. The Muslims are coming and you will either submit to Allah or fall by the sword. They will not be impressed by lofty metaphysical discussions nor will they be interested in them.
“So there is no metaphysical aspect to this other than the fact that Muslims view it as a religious duty, a Jihad, to bring the entire Earth into submission to the will of Allah.”
The justification for Jihad is rooted in the Islamic perception of God, or the beliefs they hold concerning God’s inscrutable purpose and nature. Thus by confusing the real God with the beliefs they hold about God they are brought into conflict with those who hold different beliefs. At least from my perspective it’s all about beliefs. Change our beliefs and we change our reality…
Looking back on that I would reword that statement to acknowledge that indeed Jihad is a secular and a religious effort. Specifically the establishment of a Global Caliphate based on a foundation of Shariah Law. If you don’t align yourself with what they believe to be Absolute Truth and Reality you will be in danger. Yes, this is because of beliefs. And yes, we can argue the merits of those beliefs and what Absolute Truth and Reality are. But that will not change their beliefs and therefore the Reality that they will not live peacefully among those they perceive as infidels. And so that reiterates the point that sometimes there is no other outcome but conflict. Despite one’s best efforts. Some people thrive in and on conflict.
You certainly seem to…
Why?
Or, if need be, use the strategy of Scanderbeg…
It’s too bad he did not win.
John AZ – Christianity and Islam are very similar. Please post how exactly. And I’m not super interested in what happened in the Middle Ages or how certain sects interpret Scripture. I wanna know how in practice in today’s world right here in the here and now how Christianity and Islam are very similar.
SSL,
I read John’s post twice and nowhere does he say Christianity and Islam are similar. In fact quite the opposite. Jesus was willing to suffer the cross rather than compromise his teaching and faith. He stood up to both the Zealots and the Pharisees. Unfortunately Mohammed was a bit more pragmatic and tailored his original message to address the exigencies of the moment. Specifically, Mohammed’s followers wanted religious justification for attacking the caravan trade and Mohammad amended his teaching to supply it. Thus the warlike nature of Islam from its beginnings up to the present. Of course radical Islamists would be unable to win in open warfare against the West so they resort to terrorism…
This is from John’s post at 11:01 am:
“Christianity has been perverted by power jerks over the centuries, and many conversions were made by force. That was not Christ’s message.
BTW, only mankind could manage to kill so many people in the name of two very similar religions. No wonder God is about to flush us down the celestial toilet.”
The two very similar religions John references are Christianity and Islam. And I was asking him how Christianity as practiced today is similar to Islam as practiced today. It is a grave error to believe that the Islamists are only in open warfare with you. All real warfare is waged on different levels including the spiritual and psychological. And yes, the practical too, as you point out. Terrorism in the sense of open visceral violence is only one specific way they are acheiving their goals. Islam is also about subtle and incremental victory through subterfuge, demography, and the use of all non-violent means as well to usurp non-Islamic systems and establish Shariah Law. Muslims are just as formidable an enemy to the West as the Chinese or Greater Israel. They are very capable of winning. Especially because we are so weak right now.
I imagine he meant they were similar in that they are both monotheistic and see the whole world as their mission field…
Look back to the initial father of all three religions that have been killing each other for centuries.
Abram.
His heirs created all three religions.
It is the bastardizations by man that have created the ethnic differences of the three. Isaac begat Judaism which Christ attempted to correct in its humanistic perturbations. Mohammed put his Ishmael descendent Arab ethnicity onto Islam.
All three are monotheistic and created from the exposure of Abraham to our God. Two identify actual contact with God as its source, Moses and of course Christ, God on Earth.
The main point of my post was to state that God is not the problem on Earth, it is Man. Bad choice for your caretaker, God, Man is too evil to fulfill your needs. God promised us non interference in human affairs, so He is going to let us destroy ourselves. We are close.
Another of my beliefs is about Mankind’s greatest cop out. When bad things happen, it is God’s fault, blame God.
Balderdash. Evil stems from Man, bad things happen to Man because of our culpability.
Example. Tornado or hurricane hits a town and kills folks. God’s fault right? Who built the town in the middle of Tornado alley or on the coast in the middle of a hurricane track.
Our overpopulation and seeming inability to control our own stupidity is going to get us in the end.
And God laughed. Next?
So, JohnAZ, what do you say to those Christians (viz. Israel Folau) who attribute hurricanes, earthquakes & rampant bush-fires to God as punishment for our human wickedness (mainly, accepting gay rights, by all accounts…)?
“God promised us non interference in human affairs, so He is going to let us destroy ourselves. We are close.”
John,
I’m not sure what you mean by non interference but you seem to suggest that God, whose very essence is LOVE, is standing idly by with his hands at his side while we, his beloved children (if you accept the teaching of Jesus), destroy one another and our planetary home. I would rather tend to think God and his angels are doing everything that can possibly be done to show us the error of our ways. Unfortunately the one thing God cannot or will not do is interfere with human ‘free will’ as such interference will automatically abort his whole purpose for creating us in the first place…
“Example. Tornado or hurricane hits a town and kills folks. God’s fault right? Who built the town in the middle of Tornado alley or on the coast in the middle of a hurricane track.”
I guess pretty much all of you need to move, then, or there’s going to be some almighty victim blaming when Yellowstone blows.
Don’t say you weren’t warned.
Majella
God does not need to punish Man. Man punishes himself.
Sunburst
You are right. God has shown us the Way through Jesus and actually sacrificed himself at the hands of Man to give us grace.
Will he come in on great rockets to save mankind from his own foibles? Or will he let Mankind impale itself on its own petard of overpopulation? And go on. Who knows? God!
Sidebar
The evil of Man thought they had eliminated God when they hung Him on a cross..
Ha!
John you are correct about our fallen nature in my opinion but what do you mean that God promised that He would not interfere in human affairs? Isn’t the life of Jesus and the Holy Spirit evidence that God intended to be present in everyday life?
Some say that the earliest Muslims were dissident Christians. In any case, excellent, SSL, excellent, excellent.
I can’t abide the superiority complex you see in a lot of the intellectual so-called “elite” towards non-Western cultures and peoples. And I can’t abide it for two reasons, the first being the failure to understand the stellar accomplishments of the peoples being looked down on, and the second being the failure to understand how formidable non-western people are. Either failure to understand can be a lethal mistake.
You specifically referenced the Chinese, Muslims and Israel. I don’t see Israelis as enemies or potential enemies but neither do I underestimate their abilities either. Their main task as a nation is survival and i have no doubt they have got what it takes. And let’s not forget the role their Jewish forebears played as a civilizational foundation stone of the West.
What is especially striking to me about Islam is the self-confidence they carry. While they suffered a slump as a result of their failure to embrace the advancements of the past few centuries, let’s not forget that for most of the past 1400 years they had the West back on its heels. Muslims are brilliant people with a long record of accomplishment and we take them lightly at our peril.
Same goes for the Chinese. While the excellence of their own people has been repeatedly stymied by an authoritarian mind-set that pounded individuals down if they showed evidence of unconventional or independent thinking – the very traits that in my opinion distinguished thinkers in the West until lately – what they have got in their favor is societal solidarity and a hard-edged and hard-nosed appetite for hard work and education.
And yes, they are very capable of winning.
“What is especially striking to me about Islam is the self-confidence they carry. ”
The most deluded are often the most passionate. After all, if something isn’t rationally defensible, passion is pretty much all you’ve got.
The fact that Islam failed to “embrace the advancements of the past few centuries” can be chalked up to the extreme dogmatism of their belief system. In the Koran God is everything and humankind is nothing. As a consequence there is no place within the Islamic worldview for independent thinking, or the kind of highly individualistic endeavors that generate creative insights and foster new and better ways of doing…
V I have heard the same thing on more than one occasion about Islam developing out of early Arab Christianity. It certainly is possible because Christianity was in Arabia in Muhammad’s lifetime but we’ll probably never know for sure. The Arabs did allegedly have a great civilization in their heyday but they stole a lot of their expertise from the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, and Indians. Not to say other races have not done the same thing but it does need to be noted when the greatness of their civilization is discussed.
And whether they are said to be deluded or not they believe what they do and in their perception their arguments are rational and logical. Passionate? Sure, at some times, but to broadbush that self confidence in this instance is simply passionate delusion is to miss the important details. Their accumulating victories on the ground tell a different story
“but they stole a lot of their expertise from the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, and Indians.”
So when Muslims draw on other sources of learning they’re ‘stealing’, but when Westerners do it they’re ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’.
Right.
You wouldn’t believe what you do about heaven and hell if the Jews hadn’t been exiled to Babylon and exposed to Zoroastrianism. Theft or shoulders? Or just osmosis and cultural exchange?
“And whether they are said to be deluded or not they believe what they do and in their perception their arguments are rational and logical. ”
Well, obviously. You can hallucinate anything and believe you’re right. Everyone believes what they believe – that’s not even a statement.
You must have missed my statement that other races have done the same thing. And to be fair I am sure its always been some combination of theft and cultural exchange. I’m happy to call it theft when it is and Muslims are no different than others. Why? Do you hold them in some sort of special regard?
Why what?
I don’t see why it’s ‘theft’ in any of those cases, unless you are talking about specific cases of plagiarism or something – genuinely attempting to pass off someone else’s discovery as yours. I don’t think they had notions of intellectual copyright back then. 🙂
Building on someone else’s knowledge isn’t theft, it’s the normal learning curve of the human race.
Both have gullible followers, believe in deities, foolishly believe their egos will be preserved in an after life, consider that their beliefs make them superior to other human beings, intolerant of those who disagree with them, think if it is necessary to kill to preserve their beliefs a big superman in the sky will favor them, and both consider their deity to be dude with a big cock, definitely not gender neutral.
Next question.
Next question…
How do you escape attack from Kesa the Taser when I get called every evil name her superior mind can think up for saying less mean things about belief in an afterlife?
My only conclusion is that she thinks I’m a soft touch and she’s scared of doing battle with you.
So I guess, congratulations. 🙂
Under Democratic Socialism those who make the decisions on how to “spread the wealth around” would necessarily play the role of elites by the very power they wield. What checks and balances would or could be put in place to ensure these elites are not corrupted by such power? At the same time, are there any safeguards which could be implemented preventing such elites from becoming another Deep State?
Power is evil, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Socialism breaks the back of a society’s good feelings about itself, its liberty and its self-independence,
Socialism as the core of a society will never succeed.
As soon as an elite rises from the genesis of a people, they are resented and sow the seeds of their own destruction.
Socialism just speeds the process.
“Socialism as the core of a society will never succeed.”
Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland
Germany
France
Belgium
Netherlands
New Zealand
Australia…
JohnAZ – I think you need to carefully and fully define ‘socialism’ in the context in which you use it.
Mixed economies.
Our resident dunce strikes again.
“Mixed economies” – yes – capitalist in business/economic structure, with a socialist basis. It serves ‘we the people’, with free healthcare & education, graduated taxation and real assistance for the bottom rungs of the ladder. No-one goes broke because she broke her leg or dies because of the price of insulin. Really…and you call ME a dunce?
I asked JohnAZ and now I’ll ask you to – what does ‘socialism’ mean to you? Do you not agree that Germany is a socialist system as I have described above?
You, bizarrely, I seem to recall reading recently hereabouts, claim to be of a ‘left-wing’ bent, and you live in just such an economy. So, how come what you post so badly misaligns with your reality?
You also seem to think that the odd ‘droll’ ad hominem is just the cleverest jibe! How adorable!
Just as you think demanding ‘evidence’ when it’s all about you is the end of any argument. How very intellectual.
But you can call me any name you like, Nightowl. Go ahead – why don’t you get REALLY stuck in? Please! Let’s see just how much animus you harbour.
Successes??
Matter of opinion.
EU is tearing itself apart, because it is going broke.
The North Americans including us are going broke because of its socialistic tilt of the last fifty years.
Socialism does not work. It breaks societies.
Everywhere is going broke, JohnAZ, because of The Long Emergency. Only the timing and the details are different.
GA, if you’re looking in …
To pick up an earlier thread.
I was just joking around about England invading Scotland, and I knew you’d respond to it. Sometimes I’m a trickster that way …
Truthfully tho, a few years back when Scots had that referendum to secede from the UK, if it was successful, would the UK have let them go peacefully? Or would they have responded like Lincoln did in 1861 when the south tried to separate, or more recently, the way Madrid has dealt with Separatists in Catalonia? Established countries will go to great lengths to prevent breaking up, and England and Scotland have been unified since the days of the Stuarts.
Brh
No, it was a different situation in Catalonia, brh.
There is a legal procedure here, by which the Scottish government needs the approval of the Westminster government in order to hold a referendum in the first place. That was all done last time. The issue this time is that Boris has said he’s not giving permission for another one (Corbyn originally said he wouldn’t in the first term of a Labour government either, but I think he partially retracted that in terms of the timing).
Catalonia’s referendum was unilateral without the permission of the Spanish government to hold it, which made the result illegal.
Spain is much more reluctant to lose Catalonia, because, unlike the Scottish position, Catalonia is one of the wealthiest regions in Spain
Not that it matters what Corbyn said. He’s toast.
During the Scottish oil boom, there was a lot more concern about Scottish ‘home rule’ precisely because the rest of the UK had a lot more to lose. North Sea oil (most of which was off the Scottish coast) kept the UK afloat during a period when it would otherwise have gone under economically. (Sadly the oil was squandered by the grocer’s daughter while the Norwegians stashed their profits away in a sovereign wealth fund for their citizens, but that’s water under the bridge.)
Craig Murray’s got some good info. somewhere on his site about the dirty tricks and spying that went on of nationalist meetings and such at the time. Same kind of thing they have done since sending undercover police into environmental groups to spy on them and discredit/destabilise them. Some even went as far as bigamously marrying female environmentalists and having children with them, then disappearing, causing huge trauma to the women’s lives. There have been court cases recently.
Everyone’s favorite little climate Antifa, Greta Thunberg, was called out by Deutsche Bahn for staging a photo to make it appear she was travelling on an overcrowded train through our beloved ‘Schland and seated in the door area.
Appears she was actually in first class and waited on.
https://twitter.com/DB_Presse/status/1206182674949382145
I admit it — I laughed. Hard.
Tut, tut, Greta. Jeremy Corbyn did that too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traingate
Speaking of Jeremy Corbyn, he doesn’t exactly appear to have sterling leadership qualities. How did he get to be the head of the Labour Party in the first place?
The leader is elected by the membership, not the Parliamentary Labour Party. The membership tends to be younger and more radical and the PLP more centrist. So a fringe person like Corbyn could get a cult following (which also led to a major increase in membership so that he was re-elected as leader – vicious or virtuous cycle, depending how you look at it). The Momentum group within the Labour party propelled him to power.
I have mixed feelings about him. He started out giving the impression of being like an amiable geography teacher, not given to self-promotion or ambition, and wanting a ‘different kind of politics’, which a lot of people agreed with.
Now I’m not so sure that he isn’t just a different type of narcissist, who craves power but just in a less ostentatious way. No matter how valid anyone’s individual views on him, he’s been widely considered unelectable. Doesn’t matter what I think about him – if the bulk of the voters don’t trust him, he’s not going to win. And they don’t.
Having said that there has been an absolutely definite campaign of vilification against him in the press (which is mostly a Tory plaything, with a few exceptions) and a lot of dishonesty.
This kind of thing, which I posted up-thread:
https://www.monbiot.com/2019/12/10/news-is-the-propaganda-of-the-oligarch/
I still think he’s ineffective, but that kind of thing isn’t acceptable and it’s been rampant. He’s literally had a really bad press.
In polls, people have been asked what they thought of him and mostly the results weren’t good, but when they were asked separately about individual Labour policies they got high approval. Some previous left-leaning Labour leaders have had a similar experience. Propaganda works.
There were rumours at one time that lots of Tories had surreptitiously joined the Labour party to vote for Corbyn because they knew he was unelectable. There’s a name for the tactic – can’t remember what it is.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11680098/Why-are-so-many-Tories-joining-Labour-after-Jeremy-Corbyns-leadership-announcement.html
Actually more than a rumour it would seem!
She must be taking lessons from Al Gore another climate hypocrite…
She’s not a climate hypocrite, sunburst, so far she’s just a train photo-op hypocrite. If you’re going to try to discredit the validity of her climate activism because of that you’re going to have to ask yourself why you give Trump a pass for all his much worse foibles.
I’m not trying to discredit her Alba, just a lack of proper clarification on my part. Unlike Gore, who quite possibly became a climate activist for political expediency, I’m sure she is completely sincere in her beliefs. Whether they be right or wrong is another matter…
The major difference between Gore and Thunberg is that Thunberg is nothing more than a prop.
When a group hides behind a child with a disability, they have already shown their hand. Playing to emotion is the trade of the grabbler.
I am all for an open public forum. Put the info out there. From both sides, and make a case.
“Put the info out there. From both sides, and make a case.”
You keep saying that, Nightowl and it’s ridiculous. The science is available to anyone who wants to read it.
Who and what is it you imagine is the formal ‘other side’?
You keep telling people on this thread that you’re cleverer than them – I’m confused.
“Playing to emotion is the trade of the grabbler.”
Careful. Churches do that. People are drawn to religion because they are afraid of the idea of their own mortality. Emotion, in other words. Doesn’t affect the truth or otherwise of their contentions if one is being entirely logical.
Her climate activism is a stunt paid for by George Soros and OSF. Her Antifa parents and her own fashion faux pas gave the game away.
“Her climate activism is a stunt paid for by George Soros ”
Wouldn’t matter if it was – that doesn’t have the slightest effect on the validity of 40-50 years of climate science.
“Might be”
LOL.
Nightowl
All the time you waste on Greta-discrediting could be spent reading climate science articles. Ignore her. She’s not the point.
GA
Is there any point in recorded human history — about 8000 years — when people weren’t concerned about the weather and thought perhaps they were in end times? It seems to me prehistoric people, and even people up to the industrial revolution were more dependent on the weather and whatever what was happening with the climate than we are today. Climate activists keep talking about the science, but it seems the movement is based upon anti science with a desire for humanity to return to a more primitive way of life.
Brh
brh
That’s just a mish-mash you made up.
People have always had a concern for the *weather* because it affected their crops and sometimes their safety.
Previously they didn’t concern themselves with patterns of *climate* change because previously they had no means of recording them, let alone taking 800,000-year-old ice core samples and analysing the minute quantities of gases in them to draw conclusions regarding the composition of the atmosphere aeons ago
“but it seems the movement is based upon anti science with a desire for humanity to return to a more primitive way of life.”
As an effort to discredit climate science, I don’t think that’s one anyone is going to get too worried about. 🙂
Maybe you meant anti-progress. Since you don’t like progressives, that would be a good thing, perhaps!
If science says you need to leave the fossil fuels in the ground and that leads you to live a simpler life, that’s not anti-science, it’s scientific reasoning. (I’m not saying that can happen, I’m just pointing out the reasoning.)
In any case GA the next REALLY BIG Climate change conference is next year in Scotland. You’ll have a ringside street to this one.
Brh
Yes, about 40 miles from me. I won’t be there, though, brh. Nor will I be paying much attention to it.
And I think they should be done by teleconference anyway.
It it actually achieved anything, there would be sums to calculate. So, for instance, I don’t mind that David Attenborough flies around the world and has shown the wonder of our now beleaguered planet to countless millions, many of whom might otherwise have felt impelled to waste energy and CO2 emissions feeling they needed to see more if it themselves. And to pollute fragile ecosystems even further.
That kind of leveraging I’m fine with. If climate conferences had the wished-for effect of massively affecting behaviour, that could be good leveraging too. Not much happening though. Because it all boils down to people wanting what they want and thinking that saving our habitat is someone else’s job.
People unaccustomed to the limelight can get carried away with themselves. Hopefully it will be a timely slap on the wrist for her. She’s still young. And she needs to remember that there’s a whole vile propaganda machine out there that’s going to jump on the least little single-use plastic bag and try to discredit decades of climate science because of it in people’s minds because that’s how their propaganda machine works.
she needs to remember that there’s a whole propaganda machine that’s using her. made her famous, and for more than 15 minutes.
Might be. Might not be. Doesn’t change the science.
That’s why I pay attention to the science and not to the stunts.
George Soros dirties the waters for Greta. If her initial effort was altruistic, it has been besmirched by this evil person. Her message is important, his involvement just sours her impact with Leftist politics.
Nightowl.
It gets better. Little Greta was reported on the BBC, this PM, as having suggested that national leaders should be “Put up against a wall”…. She later recanted in the face of public outrage, and then suggested that in her native language, the words mean entirely something else.
You know, it probably means construction of statuary, and such…or perhaps murals?
…And, the link;
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50799233
It appears that the veneer of sainthood is wearing thin on the little fool.
I would actually give her a pass on that one. English isn’t her first language, and she likely did not understand how that phrase would be taken.
That said, it is also possible her handlers fed it to her. So IDK.
It seems to me there’s a lot of rampant hypocrisy among the Greta-haters.
Regarding the expression she seems to have used, English is a metaphorical language. I can recall my mother saying of various people she didn’t like on TV that they should be ‘put up against a wall’ (she mostly added ‘and shot’) – I’m sure I’ve said it myself in ironic political banter with my husband and he can make it a competitive sport.
But my mother wouldn’t have hurt a fly. And Greta wouldn’t put anyone up against a wall.
You only need to look back at the many nasty ends that have been described in people’s fantasies on here for Hillary Clinton. Would people actually like to see it done? I don’t know. But when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue or something and his base would still support him, the Trumpistas all thought that was fine.
And here we have the Gretaphobes getting all snowflakey and safe-space-y and wanting to call it hate speech or something because she used a colourful metaphorical expression that even Nightowl can forgive.
And what you’re all trying to do (and what the right-wing media will take even further) is exactly what the British Tory-owned press did to Jeremy Corbyn.
LOL. Perhaps you should write a sternly worded letter to Deutsche Bahn.
I am merely relaying the fact that, according to DB, she travelled first class but pretended she was one of the cattle, even going so far as to stack her bags by the exit.
I wonder why this sort of thing upsets you? Hm.
I don’t understand what your point is, Nightowl. I didn’t look at the earlier link because what was in it seemed clear from what you said.
I don’t approve of what she did. I didn’t approve of what Jeremy Corbyn did. In neither case do I consider it a crime of such vast proportions that either should be judged on their misjudgement and temporary dishonesty for the rest of time.
Trump has told all sorts of porkies with a straight face and you don’t care. And no, I’m not going to look them up again. I know they’re not earth-shattering. They’re lies, though. (Same with Boris Johnson.) And you don’t discredit his entire political oeuvre because of them.
” Jeremy Corbyn…”
Alba,
And to Jeremy Clarkson, as I recall….
“It seems to me there’s a lot of rampant hypocrisy among the Greta-haters. ”
Alba,
…HOW DARE YOU!
SSL
God’s role with us is hard to describe and all this is my opinion, what I have faith in.
God is not human by any stretch of the imagination. His presence is in everything, he is the basis of everything. We cannot even understand the concept of what God is. Eternal, all powerful, but reluctant to use that power. What that we comprehend fits that description? I certainly do not know.
God is involved in everything he is part of, what ever that means.
Mankind was created by God “in his own image”. To me, that is not physically, it is spiritually. Is that what God gave to all of us, a spiritual entity, a soul, a part of Him that makes all of us individuals when it is mixed with our own entity. Is our soul our God part and everything else our animal evil? Is our soul what gives us the power of reason, of mental conception, of the knowledge of right and wrong, even our knowledge of the presence of God?
Jesus never tried to give us a picture of what God is or what Heaven is all about. Probably because we could not conceive of it. Lot of stories about the effects of the Kingdom of Heaven, no real details. We will all probably be exposed to the real McCoy at death.
For fun, google the term mirror universes. Compare the image you get from the article to your interpretation of the Transfiguration or Ascension.
People have been declaring that Jesus will return to Earth to sort things out and to administer Divine Justice from the very moment after Jesus ascended to Heaven.
Jesus is not coming back.
He’s not…..
Wishful, Magical Thinking is Left Brain thinking.
This is the Right Brain talking: Jesus is not coming back. He’s not….
“Jesus is not coming back.
He’s not…..”
Puck,
You had better hope to hell he doesn’t…trying to explain the hair dryer/boner event to him will be a tough sell….
Jesus did say, or at least was said to have said, ‘the kingdom of heaven is within you’. He also said ‘seek first the kingdom of heaven and all else will be given (or will come) to you’. When we put these two statements together we come up with something quite revolutionary: real, meaningful change is effected not by looking outward, but first and foremost by looking inward, which is to say, before we can change the world, or even that minute portion of the world that is our neck of the woods, we must first change ourselves…
Historical Jesus is an apocryphal figure. He’s whatever people imagine him to be. He’s a myth that desperately needs to be recognized as such or dispensed with altogether. For the good of our collective mental health, the latter is probably the best option.
“Jesus never tried to give us a picture of what God is or what Heaven is all about. Probably because we could not conceive of it….”
John,
Well, I would expect that the 72 virgin thing would come close….
JohnAZ wrote: “ Power is evil, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
The Chinese seem to view the root of Corruption as divided, feckless power in which corrupt bureaucrats can carve out their own corrupt unaccountable fiefdoms, and the solution to corruption is to centralize power into the hands of a very autocratic, tot..Ali.. itarian moral leader a la the Confucian paradigm.
In the US, the “Deep State” unelected bureaucracy has hollowed out all checks and balances so the rot is out of control.
People have been declaring that Jesus will return to Earth to sort things out and to administer Divine Justice from the very moment after Jesus ascended to Heaven.
Jesus is not coming back.
He’s not…..
Wishful, Magical Thinking is Left Brain thinking.
This is the Right Brain talking: Jesus is not coming back. He’s not….
And so how does the Right Brain know that so confidently?
Because Jesus hasn’t come back for 2,019 years.
2019-33 (?) = 1986 years…
Close enough….
It was never here in the first place. The first stories cooked up began 68 years after it was allegedly here. Not a single eyewitness account of anything.
I wonder at what point that most people, as they’re dropping quarters into the Slot Machine, finally realize that it’s not really a Chance-to-Win, and, like Religion or Elections, it’s really just about Belief?
If you could get people to believe that paying taxes is a Chance-to-Win, then you’d clean up?
From what little that I read of the IG Report, it looks like they can get a warrant to spy on a bloke on the basis of bad faith lies and a Dog Turd since the assholes presenting the “evidence” to the FISA court have no duty to undertake any due diligence to verify the information, and the court is basically obliged to accept the information at face value. Unless everyone is honest and acts in Good Faith, you’re totally fucked. If they’re dishonest, it quickly goes off the rails…. I wouldn’t trust these people any further than I can throw them.
“The IG Report obliterates that carefully cultivated delusion. It lays bare what a sham the whole FISA process is, how easy it is for the NSA and the FBI to obtain from the FISA court whatever authorization it wants to spy on any Americans they want regardless of how flimsy is the justification. The ACLU and other civil libertarians had spent years finally getting people to realize this truth, but it was wiped out by the Trump-era veneration of these security state agencies.”
Tell a psychopath that they can get some money (or a US immigrant visa) if they submit an application to a US government department and the government official receiving the application is not required to inquire into the authenticity of the documents and the official is required to accept the documents at face value, and see what happens.
Illegals are eligible for driver’s licenses in NY and NJ beginning about now. Not much documentation needed to apply, apparently. 600,000 expected to apply in NJ, a million in NY. IOW 600,000 new Dem voters in Jersey, a cool million in NY.
Brh
Who are the illegals working for? Golf club resorts possibly? If they couldn’t find jobs, would these driver’s licenses laws matter? It’s highly probably not only the Dems are behind them. I’m not saying I agree with them.
Have the psychopaths write the law that makes this possible so that the psychopaths can then exploit the process to enrich themselves while proclaiming their ignorance and innocence.
Deliberately draft a law containing a loophole the size of Texas….
The NSA, FISA process etc. is nothing but the Deep State encroaching on the people’s privacy and liberty. If we give our liberty away, it will not come back easily.
Sorry John, our liberty set sail for good with the Patriot Act and all its associated abominations. But you’re right, it’s not ever coming back under the current dispensation.
And anyway, intuition trumps reason. Everyone down deep knew that Trump represented the start of a black mold creeping into the politics of our nation and that if it had a chance to spread the stink would become greater until life becomes intolerable. Drastic threats to our well being require drastic measures to prevent it.
I guess that 50% of the electorate didn’t know it. Besides, the real threat was not (and continues not to be) Trump, but the hideous alternative of HRC and her deep state overlords.
I want to Go Off Grid….
I don’t want any Smart phones, any Smart toasters, and Smart blenders, and smart underwear…. No TV… I don’t want to listen to or deal with a bunch of Liars, and people lacking Good Faith. I don’t want to deal with a bunch of Left Brained dickheads….
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/
Mr. Kunstler’s latest book “expands on his alarming argument that our oil-addicted, technology-dependent society is on the brink of collapse.”
That is a scary thesis and I’m interested in reading the book, “Too Much Magic” as soon as I can. But if this thesis is central to this site, why must Mr. Kunstler continue to focus on the impeachment? It’s not a coup when the end result is, as he predicts, the demise of the Democratic party.
My main take away after reading this blog for the last few weeks is that Republican collusion and corruption is better because at least it is not seditious. Even if true, both the Republican and Democratic parties have central planning agendas that follow their own magical thinking. Republican preemption laws are one example.
China going balls to the wall building warships.
That’s where the scrap metal you collect and take to the recycle center for beer money and shotgun shells twice a year is going.
UPDATE: keel is laid for the USS Harvey Milk in San Diego, Cal.
Take note Xi, Putin. Time to get worried.
Brh
And a good thing that it’s an oiler, eh? Lube it up baby, lube it up.
https://news.usni.org/2016/07/28/navy-name-ship-gay-rights-activist-harvey-milk
The expressions “balls out” and “balls to the wall” refer to stationary stem engines, which before about 1910 powered nearly every factory that was not run on water power. Steam engines did the work now done by electric motors. Most steam engines had a governor with several metal balls that spun and moved levers that controlled the throttle valve. As the engine turned faster the balls were moved outward by centrifugal force, and levers to which the balls were attached closed the throttle. In this way a reasonably steady speed was maintained. Thus balls out and balls to the wall mean full speed.
Good bit of info there, SC.