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It’s one thing to get sandbagged by a public health crisis ­– a plague being about the worst kind – and quite another for an advanced, complex economy to fall away under your feet like a freight elevator that snapped its cables. The two are now linked in the public imagination, which naturally churns out narratives to serve the collective human craving for pattern recognition.

“The news” is the net sum of all that, mixed with a lot of cognitive “noise.” Even highly intelligent people have a hard time sorting it out. The Internet is full of stories, often contradictory, charged with anger, horror, indignation, and agendas, mostly unhelpful and some quite dangerous ­– like the cry that China must pay for this! Uh, like how? Send them an invoice: Please remit $11.7 trillion to the address above…?  Release the US Airborne over Beijing as if it were Belgium, 1944…? Drop the big one…? (They have big ones, too.)

Grievances and recriminations sprout like the skunk cabbages of April: China did it to us so they could rule the world…. The Democrats are lovin’ it cuz it’ll finally get rid of the wicked Trump…. Bill Gates is lovin’ it because the vaccine he’s working on will make him rich…! Doctors Fauci and Birx are tools of Big Pharma…! The New World Order (aka The Globalists) are using it to take away our freedom and turn us into the foot-servants of George Soros…!

Probably the biggest argument is over the seriousness of the disease itself. The statistical through-put of the moment appears to underwhelm the models the USA and Europe constructed at the onset of the plague. At least, that is, far fewer people have died, and of those, mostly the very old and those burdened with chronic illnesses ­– but also quite a few doctors and nurses in the prime of life. The statistical model is queered by many other uncertainties: is this really the peak? Does the plague come raging back if people go back to circulating freely? Can you catch it again? Will it return in waves next fall and spring? We have those models and pockets full of suppositions, theories, terrors.

Here’s what I think about the disease just now (subject to further evidence): it’s not just another flu. It operates differently, it’s more lethal, it affects many organs and can damage them permanently, and it spreads rapidly. That seems to have been the consensus of public health officials the world round who promoted the lockdown policy ­– and it’s hard to believe that they all got snookered into that.  I have no idea (or opinion) whether Covid-19 was engineered, either as a bio-weapon or a good-faith science project gone awry… or whether some hapless gourmet got it at the Wild Animal Cafe.

The plague didn’t cause the economic crash. But the lockdown response certainly accelerated, amplified, and ramified it. The crash happened because we built up a hyper-complex, over-scaled, just-in-time economic system with all its ecological redundancy edited out for the sake of efficiency, making it hyper-fragile. The system’s basic power module (fossil fuel) was failing on a cost-basis and we tried to compensate for that with debt. The debt got out of hand in both sheer quantity and from the dishonest games that bankers and politicians were playing with it. All of this happened for the reason that most things happen in history: it seemed like a good idea at the time.

The old system is permanently broken now. We’re having a hard time recognizing that, plague or no plague.  Many activities have flunked the scale challenge and will not come back to running the way they used to, generally anything organized at the giant scale: global supply chains, global corporations that depend on them, fracking for shale oil, big institutions like colleges and even public school systems, commercial aviation and tourism, the auto industry, show business (including the Disney empire and things like it), suburbia as a general proposition, skyscrapers and megastructures, shopping malls, pension funds, insurance companies, mega-banks, and, of course, medical conglomerates. We’re deceived by Amazon.com, which appears to be successful at the moment because it is filling a vacuum that Amazon will also eventually fall into. Amazon’s business model is a joke. The model is: every item purchased makes a separate journey by truck to the customer. That’s a “sell” signal to me.

The lockdown is making people crazy. It’s one thing to be stuck in the house with spouses and relatives you can barely stand under normal circumstances. But to see all your financial support systems melt down at the same time, along with the implications for your hopes-and-dreams, is a pretty big shock. Naturally so many want to bust out of the waking nightmare and get going, to return to action, to at least see whether what they were doing before all this happened might restart.

I dunno about that. They might flock back to restaurants to spend some of that fresh-minted $1200, and then what? Where will the next $1200 come from? Modern Monetary Theory? A new Guaranteed Basic Income? From what? From taxes paid by which businesses generating what profits from people too broke to buy goods and services? I don’t think so. Times have changed and we’re going to have to get some new good ideas that fit the new times. But, the craziness out there is very likely to start expressing itself differently as we discover the urge to action does not produce the desired result of returning-to-normal. Instead, it produces more disorder in the foundering system, and then the question is: how much disorder do we have to slog through to get to those new ideas suited to the new times?

I’ve got one of my own. The mule business! Seriously.

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  1. robert magill April 24, 2020 at 10:17 am #

    The mule business as in : “fifteen miles on the Erie canal’? Might work.

  2. shotho April 24, 2020 at 10:17 am #

    In other words, the global financial system was rotten to the core in a massive bubble and the virus pierced it. Now all we have to do is to try to 1. blow another, bigger bubble or 2. take our medicine and learn to live with a deep, prolonged debt default depression. No good choices now. Oh, maybe, just drink some chlorox and breath deeply.

  3. Daddyotis April 24, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    Totally agree on getting into the mule business. Sounds fanciful and unrealistic on its face, but as Jim points out, the center on our hyper-complex system of perceived reality cannot (and will not) hold. JHK has for years been promoting the idea of down-sizing and fragmenting everything from economies to food production (not mutually exclusive) toward the local level. It is my feeling that this will not happen unless it is in response to a severe shock to our systems (note: we have NOT experienced this yet; sitting home, smoking medicinal week and getting food delivered to your door via amazon isn’t SHTF, in case some were wondering….rather think: 1992 Bosnia).

    Jim: will you be rejuvenating you’re “My Garden” page for your site, if only because the produce from said garden might make next winter a bit more bearable (and survivable)?

  4. Walter B April 24, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    Ever since this fiasco started I have received multiple daily email Executive Orders, COVID updates and “helpful” websites with statistics and info on the plague. Starting on 13 Mar 20 (Friday the 13th) I received my first dire financial warning from the Department of Community Affairs which led to the discovery that New Jersey municipal debt was now toxic. Since then the EO’s have come daily advising of pump and dump Fed bailouts and steps for us to take when the property taxes stop rolling in.

    This was always about crash and burn of the US economy/dollar. It does not really matter how the plague got started or where, or why in the end it all boils down to this: Never let a crisis go to waste, (create one if you have to).

  5. Lawfish April 24, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    I would guess global oil consumption has dropped at least 40% as a result of all the lock-downs. I used to put 1000 miles a week on my car driving to appointments out of town. Now I put about 500 miles a month on it. There is no traffic. The Himalayas are visible for the first time in a century. In short, we’re getting a forced reduction in fossil fuel use, which could be the start of a new way of living.

    I’m attending meetings via zoom and it’s the same as being in person. Perhaps that’s the new trend. Use all this glorious technology to vastly reduce our use of petroleum. Sort of an involuntary green deal. I for one would prefer to continue with the new way than return to BAU.

  6. Daddyotis April 24, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    * weed

    Sorry

  7. akmofo April 24, 2020 at 10:27 am #

    James,

    Worth reading when you have the time:
    “Plague of Corruption” by Dr. Judy Mikovits, Kent Heckenlively

    Here’s a Coast to Coast interview, as appetizer:

    https://youtu.be/-15JguWFmZo

    .

  8. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 10:29 am #

    I really like the song JHK, Excellent job. Overdub some of your fiddlin’ and it will really shine.

  9. tractorguy April 24, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    “That seems to have been the consensus of public health officials the world round who promoted the lockdown policy ­– and it’s hard to believe that they all got snookered into that.”

    Maybe not, but the first consideration, at least in this country, should have been the Constitution and Bill Of Rights that all these politicians are sworn to uphold. And they could have made it clear to the populace that anyone who wants to isolate themselves further are free to do so, and encouraged, especially those that are in poor health and have co-morbidities.

    Tractorguy

  10. Lawfish April 24, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Daddyotis, totally agree.

    I live in the panhandle of Florida and we’re surrounded by cattle farms (grass-fed). I meet my meat lady once a month in a parking lot to purchase my beef for the month. $8.00/lb. for ground grass-fed beef. And we have a local pig farmer who makes the best sausage you’ve ever tasted, so I’ll keep buying pork from him. Otherwise, the garden is flourishing, so I’ll have plenty of fresh veggies over the next 6 months or so.

    Brew my own beer and have 2 chickens who are laying nicely. Add the 2 orange trees, peach tree and Meyer lemon tree, and we’re really producing a fair amount of food right at home.

  11. PeteAtomic April 24, 2020 at 10:39 am #

    “Times have changed and we’re going to have to get some new good ideas that fit the new times. But, the craziness out there is very likely to start expressing itself differently as we discover the urge to action does not produce the desired result of returning-to-normal. Instead, it produces more disorder in the foundering system, and then the question is: how much disorder do we have to slog through to get to those new ideas suited to the new times.

    I’ve got one of my own. The mule business! Seriously.”

    ya, times have changed and new models of carrying on may very well look like old ones. Will urban areas become repurposed to scale? Do the suburbs of Detroit & Dallas & Denver start to look like collective farms? I don’t know..

    Maybe even crazier is the government responses to all this. All the 1s and 0s spinning at the Fed.Res has gotta burn some circuits out by now, somewhere..

    But what else is lurking out there post-Trump/post-Virus & crash..
    a Malibu Mussolini? ..or maybe a Silicon Valley Stalin ??

  12. akmofo April 24, 2020 at 10:41 am #

    Dr Fauci is a mass murderer in the sadistic NAZI image of the death camp mass murderer Dr Josef Mengele. It is a complete and horrific disgrace that this monster is the position he is in. He should be facing execution by a military firing squad.

  13. CancelMyCard April 24, 2020 at 10:45 am #

    Trump . . .

    He has one word of advice, just one word—and the word is “BLEACH.”

    Can you possibly believe he thinks injecting Clorox into your lungs will do a “tremendous” job of getting rid of the virus??

    At a time when this country needs real leadership, we have a guy in the Oval Office who cannot remember one thing from his high school biology class.

  14. Zoltar April 24, 2020 at 10:46 am #

    “The mule business” evokes The Mule from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation trilogy, in which the collapse of a fabulously complex galactic system makes it vulnerable to domination by an unforeseen malevolent individual. Hmmm…

  15. PeteAtomic April 24, 2020 at 10:47 am #

    People’s comments there are right on. imho like.. Lawfish & Daddyotis..

    start looking for local food resources like Lawfish there, and start taking stock of what you have around you

    ..and Daddyotis is totally right.. this thing could turn Yugo real quick..

  16. James Kuehl April 24, 2020 at 10:53 am #

    Part of me says good riddance to the rickety mess we’ve made of things, although there’s lots I’ll miss about it. When the grid fails and the batteries all run down they’ll be beating a path to the door of anyone who can play nice tunes like that.

  17. akmofo April 24, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    CancelMyCard,

    Chrorine Dioxide is safe and effective:

    https://www.jordansather.com/blog/thetruthaboutmms

    ClO2 isn’t just used as an industrial cleaner, a stabilized version is commonly used by hikers and campers to kill waterborne pathogens for clean drinking water. These potable water drops and tablets have chlorine dioxide listed as the main ingredient and can be easily purchased at any camping supply store such as REI or online shopping websites like Amazon.

  18. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:01 am #

    The number one clue that BillGates is somehow involved, is that Bill Gates is involved.

  19. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 11:02 am #

    When the complexity is unravelled, think of the land that can be reclaimed from abandoned interstate highways, the 50,000 mile concrete ribbon running coast to coast, border to border. I knew an old guy who worked on building those roads back in the day; he explained to me how it was done. Apparently just the concrete runs 11″ deep, then there’s rebar, crushed stone, sand etc. What can be done with all that concrete? I wouldn’t be surprised if traces of those interstates are still around 2000 years from now, like the Appian Way outside of Rome.

    Hey, has anybody else viewed Michael Moore’s Planet of the Humans?

    Brh

  20. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:05 am #

    This story should be a glaring headline. The investigation (coup attempt five or six?) should be into what did the governor know, and when did he know it, not into the president’s response.
    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1252623478899048448?s=20

    I’m with the commenter who does not believe Fredo ever actually had anything.
    Notice his wife is in on the charade.

  21. akmofo April 24, 2020 at 11:06 am #

    James, regarding China:

    The Chinese Communist Party has a saying when it comes to their war operations:

    “strangle you with your own systems.”

    Joshua Philipp and The Epoch Times break down how the CCP operates and how it’s exploiting America’s political system:

    https://youtu.be/gHFW8GQRcYE

    .

  22. tom clark April 24, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    Loved the song in the Friday bonus, Jimbo!

    When your time comes, there’ll be a place for you in heaven next to John Prine.

  23. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:10 am #

    First Hillary, and now Joe Biden has come out with a pronouncement about the sitting president not having the authority to delay the election.

    I believe what we will see is more unconstitutional changes to the electoral college system very close to the election, and then the “no time, no authority” excuse being used when the request is made to delay enough to have the Supreme Court rule.

    Right now, Nancy and company are attempting to make an all mail-in election part of the stimulus or whatever they are calling the gigantic money grab by the 1% globalists.

  24. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:13 am #

    If you doubt this disease isn’t being used as a back-door way of installing globalist Green New Deal edicts, you can watch noted climatologist Al Gore pretending to have a conversation with the senile Joe Biden on such topics.

    If they will fake that a senile old man is a serious candidate, they will lie about anything.

  25. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:20 am #

    Not seeing “reply” buttons today.

    We don’t do science by consensus.

    The WHO is a globalist organization that the US paid for disproportionately while it gave China disproportionate influence. The WHO blocked Taiwan from entry on the Communist Chinese’ say-so.
    They are politically motivated and not to be trusted not to use “science” to achieve political ends.

  26. Robert White April 24, 2020 at 11:22 am #

    Excellent synopsis again today, Jim. Unfortunately, I am well aware of the engineering behind nCov-19 and it is indeed a bioweapon once it is either mistakenly released from a BSL-4 laboratory, or intentionally released. What is certainty is that nCov-19 is man made.

    Going forward I believe we are evidencing a run up to thermonuclear war between competing & aged near defunct ‘superpowers’ that have lost their ‘superpowers’ in a run up to maintain hegemonic status above all else.

    What I believe will manifest is absolute chaos worldwide which will foist us all into yet another superordinate goal of ending the worldwide strife. In brief, nCov-19 is merely the opening gambit of planned war between China, USA, & Russian Federation. As a viable superpower India will ultimately get involved too.

    Systemically, the world is clearly at the nadir of population extremes and distributionally the nCov-19 opening gambit to war has been a major failure for all superpower fleets & contingents of troupes worldwide.

    Bottom line in terms of engineering is that nCov-19 wrecks infrastructure and was designed to do so at an exponential rate of speed & stealth.

    Not only has the worldwide global economy been destroyed outright, but we are guaranteed to evidence Viral Reactivation as soon as populations attempt to comingle again. This fact will result in even more pandemonium & systemic fallout which we will be analysing shortly once the superpowers decide that this is an every man for himself worldwide war.

    Nationalism will replace globalism worldwide, but we will all evidence the thermonuclear histrionics of these warring factions in due course. nCov-19 is also telling in so far as it is an obvious last ditch attempt to redefine hegemon status & superpower prowess.

    China is much more capable of becoming the reigning world superpower merely based upon the technology side of the ledger in contradistinction to the ever failing USA ledger.

    Debt-to-GDP pretty much lets us all know where we are heading for the next decade, but when thermonuclear war manifests as a first-strike scenario whether by USA/NATO or Russian Federation/China we will witness that exchange.

    RW

  27. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 11:26 am #

    Hey Backrow, It locks like your Virus cure is gaining some traction. John Daly the golfer recommends it also.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADpkIYLYoOg

  28. Lawfish April 24, 2020 at 11:32 am #

    BRH, those interstates would be wonderful venues for high-speed passenger railways. Already banked for high speed and leveled out to smooth out the hills. Two going east and two going west.

  29. Pucker April 24, 2020 at 11:34 am #

    Dystopia

    Uh Oh….

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMkSNj_-7Q&t=438s

  30. Paul April 24, 2020 at 11:35 am #

    That was a good song, Jim! “The ‘Man’ in the Moon”. Perhaps this was the very first among humankind’s many ‘meaning seeking’ projections?

    By the way, how much hay would a mule eat in a year? I expect that in Climate Zone 5a, (as do I), hay would have to be supplemented by a fortified diet of oats periodically?

    As a 60 – something, I chose to content myself with an attempt to plant the largest FOOD SECURITY GARDEN I have ever attempted. Yesterday, I actually quit dithering, put on my boots, suspenders and planted two 80 foot long double rows of peas. I’ve also asked Burlene to clear her schedule in the 3rd week of May to participate in pea-shelling time.

    So, I concur with Daddyotis, above, in looking forward to your return to periodic garden-dispatches from Saratoga Springs. Get out there! Plant yr. Peas! And Collards, and Kale, and Onions, and . . .

  31. newworld April 24, 2020 at 11:36 am #

    The Left’s activist fringe is making asses of themselves on twitter, but what else would be new. Of course the conservatives always rise to the bait when they should just tell the kooks to go bother other Democratic voters and move on with life.

  32. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:37 am #

    If you want to acquire a donkey in New York, you will need to get in touch with state government to learn about domestic animal health certificates.

    I notice that Dr, Fauci is promoting a health registry for humans similar to the one that currently exists for livestock.
    I hope they don’t require us to wear those ear tags.

  33. elysianfield April 24, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    Gentle readers…a WARNING!

    There is a misconception that Trump, in one of his meetandgreets with the press, opined that Lysol, intravenously injected, might kill the virus. The BBC, this AM, reports that the “owner” of the company that makes Lysol does not consider it a good idea.

    But why not? Lysol kills lots of pathogens. I understand the Germans, in WWII, experimented with injecting Benzine, with mixed results….

  34. Beryl of Oyl April 24, 2020 at 11:40 am #

    We knew that The Powers That Be might deliberately wreck the economy ahead of the election.
    Now that they have done just that, there are still a good many who somehow believe this is about a disease. Odd.

  35. RB April 24, 2020 at 11:44 am #

    At some point, likely sooner rather than later, people will come to realize that their governments cannot fix this or even ease the suffering. We haven’t seen ugly but its coming to a street near you. Some have stored up food but that will run out or be confiscated from you. It may become a dangerous situation when that cut on your leg or arm goes to infection and your CVS can’t help you because your doctor has to approve. I suggest you arrange for an updated Tetanus vaccination as soon as possible. You can’t afford the ER bill for 7 stitches which you will get a bill for 23,000 dollars. Some probably think their social security is safe. Look for reductions if not more severe means testing. Oh, and that pension you have enjoyed from the federal government will be cut back. You were not promised reductions in benefits. You came to expect the annual COLA kick. Student loan debt will be forgiven. Might as well be since no one can ever pay it back. What are they going to do, put you in jail? No, they are letting convicted criminals out of jail. The list goes on and on of things that are likely to occur which will continue the ripping apart of life as we once knew it. Just hope your toilet doesn’t back up. Plumber’s bill might exceed that of your friendly ER.

    We’re from the government and are here to help you. Or, we’re here to arrest you.

  36. elysianfield April 24, 2020 at 11:45 am #

    “Since then the EO’s have come daily advising of pump and dump Fed bailouts and steps for us to take when the property taxes stop rolling in.”

    Hizzonor Walter B,

    And what steps do they suggest?

  37. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 11:45 am #

    I think everyone agrees the debacle of 2008 was cause by huge unfunded bubbles arising in the world. Those real estate bubbles coat us a major banks and a grand recession. Obama’s administration was crippled by the results.

    In a cliche, we ain’t seen nothing yet. The multi trillion dollar bailouts we are witnessing will lead to a major depression in the future when the money being issued has no value. The government cannot bail the USA out of this fiasco. The US is not the only folks doing it, only the strongest. Europe is already further down the curve than we are. Pretty soon all the Afrikaners and ME folks that moved to Europe may find out it was not such a good idea after all. Just like our immigrants here.

    RW

    I agree with you, things are too cozy with the way everything came together. I do believe that when the time comes to figure out who won the economic cyber war, the answer will be that everyone is too exhausted to be a winner. Nukes are obsolete, MAD started it and increasing dependence on computerization will finish it. It is too easy today to destroy a country using high level nukes to destroy electronics, or viruses, or cyber attacks on infrastructure. If China wants to be king of the mountain, all they have to do is wait. The stupidity in our polity is tearing this country down all by itself. Patience, China, we will destroy ourselves and you will not have to fire a shot.

  38. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 11:49 am #

    Re Brh’s tonic

    It is great. An old saying says it.

    Might as well, can’t dance.

    It is a great addition to Sunday morning breakfast. Or Monday, Tuesday, etc.

  39. elysianfield April 24, 2020 at 11:49 am #

    “The BBC, this AM, reports that the “owner” of the company that makes Lysol does not consider that a good idea…”

    And…the link;

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52411706

  40. Walter B April 24, 2020 at 11:56 am #

    ef – the Fed money is being dumped into the New Jersey Infrastructure Bank and will be loaned out to municipalities to cover their shorts in the form of Bond Anticipation Notes, BAN’s for short. These instruments of debt (death) have to be rolled over every year at prevailing interest rates just like adjustable rate mortgages. How do you think that this will work out?

  41. ricksinger April 24, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

    At this moment, I’m reminded of JHK’s Friday morning KFN post on April 25th, which will be exactly years ago tomorrow. In the post, Jim described the fall out from the financial crisis, and the possible timing of an even larger collaspse of the financial grift system over the coming decade. Jim referred to long emergency starting possibly after the Dow hit 35,000. As we know in Februrary the all time high of 29,551 was breached. I don’t know if we’ll ever see 35,000 on the DJIA.

    My conclusion after reading two long emergency books and To Much Magic, were heading down the road to a world made by hand in my adult children’s lifetime.

    It’s time to start making other arrangements.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a_still_moment/

  42. ricksinger April 24, 2020 at 12:03 pm #

    At this moment, I’m reminded of JHK’s Friday morning KFN post on April 25th, which will be exactly TEN years ago tomorrow. In the post, Jim described the fall out from the financial crisis, and the possible timing of an even larger collaspse of the financial grift system over the coming decade. Jim referred to long emergency starting possibly after the Dow hit 35,000. As we know in Februrary the all time high of 29,551 was breached. I don’t know if we’ll ever see 35,000 on the DJIA.

    After reading two long emergency books and To Much Magic, I believe were heading down the road to a world made by hand in my adult children’s lifetime.

    It’s past time to start making other arrangements.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a_still_moment/

  43. Epicur April 24, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

    As far as what’s going to happen, I have the same prediction I made months ago, i.e. a portion of the population is susceptible to this disease and a portion is not.

    As people begin to sense this, the portion that believes themselves not susceptible will want to get on with their lives as before, just like a herd of wildebeast after a lion kill.

    One wild card may be that the presence of the virus, lurking in our bodies, may act like an agent of the angel of death, wating to claim its due as we age. If so, that will have some effect on our attitude towards life and retirement.

    Life will go on.

  44. sophia April 24, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

    Amazon’s business model is a joke. The model is: every item purchased makes a separate journey by truck to the customer.

    Small quibble, but I actually don’t agree with this. What wastes far more gas is everyone going in their personal car to various stores and buying it. Most of these products from Amazon will be delivered by mail carriers, which need to operate anyway. If anything, the internet has reduced the volume of mail so it seems unlikely that it will swell the overall amount of delivery much. Delivery trucks like UPS might be increased, but I still doubt that would overcome the gasoline usage of all those individual drives to the stores.

  45. Pucker April 24, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

    “… a good-faith science project gone awry… ”

    What?! Are you shit’n me?!

  46. Jeremy April 24, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

    Watch “The Coming War on China” by the legendary filmmaker and journalist John Pilger.

    https://youtu.be/GDl9ecICIYg

  47. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

    Hey E the Germans back in the day did many things best not be repeated.

    I will add the Soviets in the mid 30s created a dept to conduct Mengele-like medical experiments on human subjects, almost all of them prisoners in the gulag. Located in Moscow, it was called — and I sh#t you not — ‘Laboratory Number 1’. It was also called euphemistically, the Kamera (the chamber).

    Unspeakable things happened there right up into the 1950s. Its existence didn’t really come to light until the 1990s, altho there were rumors. I first read about the Kamera in a book about Cy Oggins, a guy from Ct who was a traitor and NKVD spy. A decision was made in the 30s to liquidate any non Russian communists they could get their hands on, and Oggins was lured to Moscow, where he fell into the hands of a Dr Mairanovsky, director of Laboratory #1. Needless to say Cy Oggins didn’t get out of the chamber alive.

    The bid scientific breakthrough of Dr Mairanovsky and Lab # 1 was the pioneering use of poisons as a traceless means of execution. One of these poisons was administered to Cy Oggins, American Communist and NKVD spy. The record still exists how long it took for him to die (15 minutes) and they celebrated the fact he was paralyzed and could not speak but was fully conscious until the moment of death. The experiment was a success!

    Brh

  48. patrickd April 24, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

    My plan the past four years has been to buy a property for a homestead. I spent three years digging out of homelessness, returning to a home repair business I had for 30 years, and I now have all the tools necessary to basically repair the structure of a house. I have a four wheel drive truck, a trailer, scaffolding, a full-line of professional carpentry tools. My plan is to buy a foreclosed home in need of repair, and add enough to the mortgage loan to buy materials necessary to fix it up, maybe put a masonry heater in it (aka Russian stove). I’ll grow vegetables year round in a protected greenhouse, and also grow some kind of meat animals.

    The World Made by Hand is here. Besides getting involved with food production, people will be wise to become adept at self-defense, as there will be roving bands and individuals who will kill to look inside your house for something to steal and someone to rape and then murder. Read Jim’s four books in the WMBH series for a good view of our future.

    One thing is certain, the truth about this virus, or any subject, will not be found in the West, as these nations do not operate with the truth on any level, including science and medicine. The truth will be discovered by non-West countries, the ones currently being demonized by the criminals posing as US American politicians. It’s best to avoid all Western news and analysis sources, with a few rare exceptions, and use non-Western ones. Western journalism is an oxymoron. It’s more a smoke machine, used to hide truth and confuse readers/viewers, keep them unable to recognize truth.

    I hope to buy a property this fall, before winter hits. I spent the last four years building my credit, buying my equipment and tools, and will spend the next six months getting a few more thousand into my savings. There’s always work for a good home repair guy.

  49. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

    Sweden doing just fine. As he says, everyone is going to be exposed sooner or later. Destroying your economy to delay the inevitable is madness. That has never been done before. That is criminal. They have terrorized the sheltered, vulnerable, secular masses who have never seen sickness and death before or even thought about them. They can’t deal with such existential realities since they’ve never been confronted with them. A masterful move by this cabal of Globalists. They must have cleared it with the Six Families who control the Media of course. It would never have worked otherwise. So they’re all in on it, either directly or indirectly.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/architect-swedens-controversially-lax-coronavirus-104655107.html

    You did it to save the Elderly? They can’t be saved – they’re the Elderly. Did you ask them if they wanted you to destroy America to give them a few more months to live? Months where they can’t see their loved ones – the only thing that keeps most of them going?

    Obviously reasonable precautions should be taken. Don’t go see Grandma if you’re not feeling well. But there’s no way to completely insulate them short of putting them in a bubble only served by nurses in hazmat suits. Bet they would veto being treated that way.

    The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good. The attempt at a Perfect Society (which can never be) is the Enemy of the Good Society that can be. The attempt at perfect health is the enemy of good health as well. Keep going: it’s a principle of broad applicability.

  50. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

    A warning.

    I was noticing some osteoarthritis building up in my right hand. Then I noticed a red ring under the ring on the fourth finger. Took the ring off when it started itching. I have had this ring on there for two years.

    Researching the situation, here it is.

    We are using a lot of chlorine based disinfectants cleaning surfaces. I do it daily. If your jewelry is not 14 carat gold or more, the Chlorine can leach out Nickel from the metal in the ring. A nickel allergy can develop. It takes time and it takes time to go away. I noticed the reaction about a week and a half ago and the red ring is still peeling skin, but is becoming less red. The arthritis is subsiding. Unwarranted inflammation is never a good thing. The gold ring on my other hand has caused no problem.

  51. dah plunge protection team April 24, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

    How do I buy physical gold? I am a millennial and I want to take my stimulus check and cash out of the paper dollar. There are American Eagles on eBay but I know half of them are probably fake Chinese ripoffs. The US mint has 1/10th ounce and 1/4 and half ounce coins that I want to go for…

    Is it worth paying the premium from the mint for the security in knowing what I’m getting is real.

    I’m leaning towards two 1/4 ounce coins. (The prepper addage is two is one and one is none)

    I know Mr. Kunstler has an advertisement for a gold retailer on his infrequent podcasts… How much do they charge for 1/2 ounce or 1/4 ounce eagle?

  52. dah plunge protection team April 24, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

    My second question is how do you convert gold back to cash after holding it for X-period of time?

  53. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 12:48 pm #

    RIP, yeah the word is out on the health benefits of Screwdriver Smoothie elixer in combatting Covid-19.

    The science is sound: vodka to kill the virus, OJ to boost the immune system. Of course milk, sugar, vanilla extract and crushed ice take off the edge, ‘a little bit of sugar (and other ingredients) to help the medicine go down’.

    Brh

  54. newworld April 24, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    Well said Janos, Sweden surprises me I would have thought one of the most feminized societies upon Earth would be ripe for hysteria, maybe the new imported Swedes would have ignored all that garbage and delegitimized the ruling state, I dunno.

    Anyway one of the twittercons suggested Trump get off the virus charade briefings and focus on recovery, let the chips settle out and if the Blue Hives want to off themselves, it’s on them.

  55. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

    Mark Cuban made a good point this AM. He said we need to move on from where we are today, instead of trying to get back what was there a month ago. We are in the Fourth Turning of the Millennial Saeculum and the High getting ready to start will reflect what is left. Expect the same amount of change from what is going on today, as what happened during WW2. Get ready to “ride the bull”, it is going to be a hard ride with the controller set to ten.

  56. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

    Exhausted “Hero” Nurses coming out to stare down Trump fanatics who want to go back to work. If they’re so overwhelmed, take some time off. Give your jobs to one of the nurses who have been laid off because of this madness.

    They focused all the media attention on hospitals treating Covid 19. Ignoring the fact that other hospitals are denying needed services to other kinds of patients – such as surgeries. How many will die because of that?

    Isolating plague victims in a few hospitals makes sense of course. All but closing down other hospitals does not.

  57. daytrip April 24, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

    LOL. Rock on, Jim!

  58. sophia April 24, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

    wwg1wga,

    Do you respond to replies? You keep linking to the same site, which is a chaotic mess and I never find what you seem to be referring to. You are not helping anything.

  59. Pucker April 24, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

    Maybe the government will give everyone money so that they won’t have to work, and they can sit around smoking Weed, drinking beer, watching TV, eating frozen pizza?

  60. Daddyotis April 24, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

    Plunge: there’s gold Coins available right now but the premiums are deadly (Silver.com, apmex, Jm bullion, etc). The higher the weight per coin you buy, the less you’re paying as premium and the closer to spot price you’ll get (although as I said above, that’s sort of a joke right now).

    I wish you luck in your quest. PMs are a good store of value when economies look janky (like right now). Personally, the only thing better to use your stimulus check for right now than PMs would be a firearm and some ammo.

  61. gustafson.robert.22 April 24, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

    I don’t see coronavirus as being nearly as serious as advertised…slightly worse than flu but not drastically worse. Antibody tests are proving real death rates as 0.5% (new york state) or below (as low as 0.15% possibly in los angeles county, 0.2% in all of germany). huge percentages of infections are turning out to be asymptomatic. All we have done with our strategies to fight it is tank the economy (i’m ambivalent about this) and put healthcare workers at risk through exponential overexposure. We’re saving few lives. The virus is spreading anyway. I don’t see any aspect of the general response that is effective, smart or positive.

  62. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

    I saw one post about corona toes or red spots on you toes. I had those a few months ago but when I shifted my weight they went away. I may have had corvid for a few minutes.

  63. dah plunge protection team April 24, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

    Daddyotis – My cousins, kin, and I are already locked and loaded, germinating plants, got the off-grid solar powered doomsday cabin. Tilled up the garden for the year and recently quit my job as an electronics repair technician and got hired on a local farm. (laughing my ass off that the other guys at the company stayed in the business past February and now can’t get hired anywhere as they are soy-boys with no real world skills.)

    I’m ready for a collapse otherwise. I’ve never bought precious metals before because I’ve viewed them as more of a liability than an asset. I’ve been saving to buy another piece of land or a new car and I’m just thinking about inflation right now and want to hedge against it.

  64. RobM April 24, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

    A farrier I met confirmed your mule transportation idea. Compared to horses mules are more fuel efficient and less fussy about their food, have much better temperaments for hauling freight in trains of animals, and their hooves need less maintenance. The only downside is that mules can’t self-replicate like horses, although they so self-repair many malfunctions just like horses.

  65. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    Plunge: Can’t you find a physical store nearby that deals in gold? You’ll save a lot on shipping costs or if you want to sell back. Find a a website online that provides the “spot” or the price at the current moment. That way you can’t be cheated, at least not that badly. Another safety technique is to go with the best known or advertised place: they are unlikely to be fraudulent – at least not anymore than the rest of the market or America itself. But still look up the spot: the person you’re dealing with might be corrupt even if the business isn’t.

    If you must deal online, you could use goldsilver.com. They are big and well known. They are legit as I have used them before. I assume they are competitive in their premiums.

  66. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    How do I buy physical gold? use a well known broker. I use Apmex they are among the cheapest premiums. Right now they’ll whack ya 10.5% premium for 1 oz. gold eagle. Silver is crazy. the premiums are up in th 60-80% range. You can pick up a a 12 oz gold eagle for $972 which is a 12.2% premium. their in stock now. You couldn’t find them a few weeks ago.

  67. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

    And don’t buy from anyone if they don’t have it in stock

  68. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

    AP

    More evidence is emerging that far more New Yorkers have had the coronavirus than the number confirmed by lab tests, officials said Thursday, offering insight that could help authorities decide how and how quickly to let people stop isolating from friends and return to work.

    Blood samples collected from about 3,000 people indicated that nearly 14% had developed antibodies to fight a coronavirus infection, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at his daily news briefing.

    In New York City, the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S., 21% of the people tested had antibodies.

    It’s not know yet how much protection antibodies provide or how long that immunity might last, and Cuomo cautioned that the data was preliminary. The sample of people tested was small. Participants were hastily recruited at shopping centers and grocery stores, meaning they were healthy enough to be out in public.

    But the governor said knowing how many people have antibodies — and who might possibly be immune to the virus — could potentially help set policy on when to reopen parts of the state.

    “We’ll have a larger and larger sample. But I want to see snapshots of what is happening with that rate. Is it going up, is it flat, is it down? And it can really give us data to make decisions,” Cuomo said.

    Anglin/JS: This article by the Associated Press does not even mention the fact that this means the case fatality rate (CFR) is now nothing even close to what was claimed by the media and government. Cuomo didn’t say that. They are literally just playing it straightfaced, hoping you don’t understand what has just happened. Typically, it’s reported in a breathless style as if to say. Look how terrible things really are! While in reality, it means the disease isn’t very dangerous at all. But emotion works on most far more than reason. And the reporters are smart – they’re on TV! They’re your friends! They wear nice suits and look good….

  69. JackStraw April 24, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

    To Janos, I work in a hospital, and I can tell you that the nurses are completely underwhelmed, with the majority being furloughed at home (paid vacations). The few in the hospital are just sitting around doing little to nothing because there are few patients to deal with.

    There’s a reason why we’re seeing all these Tik-Tok videos from nurses. They’ve got nothing else to do.

  70. elysianfield April 24, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

    Saint, et al;

    Don’t buy precious metals. This is the old pawnbroker speaking. You will pay a crippling premium to get it during the panic, and then get royally boned when you go to convert it. Gold and silver are primarily considered a good hedge because they are usually immediately liquid, at some price.

    When inflation hits…EVERYTHING will increase in price/value a commensurate amount with the rate of inflation…tools, storable food, diesel in 55 gallon drums…hunting equipment and supplies. Don’t forget liquor…it stores well, and will be in greater demand than a bullion coin…which will be used to try to buy the liquor you hold. Also consider tobacco in vacuum sealed containers for deep storage.

    Consider that cigarettes can buy you anything you want in prison…can even get you laid.

    I personally do not have any gold or silver…but I DO have a 6000sf shop full of machine tools. My decision was never in doubt.

  71. sophia April 24, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

    Janos,

    The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good.

    Excellent. That succinctly sums up what is wrong with the shutdown response. It isn’t that there was a clear answer and that answer was shutdown. It was that even analyzed most generously, the shutdown was a tradeoff for death versus death.

  72. sophia April 24, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    dah plunge,

    “How do I buy physical gold?”

    Why not consider silver instead. The price of gold has jumped but silver is way low.
    If the coins you suspect might be knockoffs are significantly cheaper, stay away. If they almost the same price, then go ahead and buy the one you’re sure of.

    In silver, If you’re worried about authenticity, but the older US silver coins from before 1964.

  73. RocketDoc April 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

    Love the song writing effort. I picked my guitar back up to fiddle around and wondered if in the fullness of unemployment I could actually write a song and find your offering more than credible. Writing well, painting, music–the “Kunstler” does it all

    “Many activities have flunked the scale challenge”. And some cottage industries are on the ropes. We had a CE course today on treating dental patients wearing respirators. We are calling patients to get back to work on May 4th but many careful patients are saying they will hold off a little bit. They are in no hurry to get back to the dentist. There is nothing smaller scale than a single practitioner with a few employees but I am feeling a seismic shift in the concept of “routine maintenance”. In my 6 weeks of enforced idleness I have had 2 emergencies–not enough to call it a livelihood. Fortunately I am old and not debt encumbered BUT the fixed costs and liability may make the whole effort uneconomical. Ironically, I left public policy in the late 70’s concerned about future society’s viability and now my resilient career choice has proven to be as vulnerable as a waiter or hairdresser.

    Getting local is not currently on the table as an option. My neighborhood of doctors, lawyers, government contract engineers, and government employees are all working and getting paid. My next door neighbor owns a steel fabrication company, my wife manages data analysis for an environmental company. I do not see how to get from here to there until unemployment among the privileged markedly increases. Pension failure and exploding inflation will get everyone’s attention. Until then, we will all wait to see how much normal we can recover.

  74. sophia April 24, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

    Stelmos

    “You can pick up a a 12 oz gold eagle for $972 which is a 12.2% premium.”

    Say what?
    The price at apmex is about 1700 per ounce.

  75. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

    The greatest anonymous poem in the English Language.

    Tom O’Bedlam

    From the hag and hungry goblin
    That into rags would rend ye,
    The spirit that stands by the naked man
    In the Book of Moons defend ye,
    That of your five sound senses,
    You never be forsaken,
    Nor wander from yourselves with Tom
    Abroad to beg your bacon,

    While I do sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    Of thirty bare years have I
    Twice twenty been enragèd,
    And of forty been three times fifteen
    In durance soundly cagèd
    On the lordly lofts of Bedlam
    With stubble soft and dainty,
    Brave bracelets strong>, sweet whips ding dong [ handcuffs ]
    With wholesome hunger plenty,

    And now I sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    With a thought I took for Maudlin> [ Magdalene or prostitute ]
    And a cruse of cockle pottage>, [ pot of weed stew ]
    With a thing thus tall, sky bless you all,
    I befell into this dotage.
    I slept not since the Conquest,
    Till then I never wakèd,
    Till the roguish boy of love where I lay
    Me found and stripped me naked.

    And now I sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    When I short have shorn my sow’s face
    And swigged by horny barrel>, [ leather flask ]
    In an oaken inn I pound my skin
    As a suit of gilt apparel;
    The moon’s my constant mistress
    And the lonely owl my marrow>; [ mate ]
    The flaming drake> and the night crow> make [ dragon / owl ]
    Me music to my sorrow.

    While I do sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    The palsy> plagues my pulses [ paralysis/tremors ]
    When I prig> your pigs or pullen>, [ steal, chicken ]
    Your culvers> take, or matchless make [ doves ]
    Your Chanticleer or Sullen>. [ rooster ]
    When I want provant> with Humphrey [ food ]
    I sup, and when benighted,
    I repose in Paul’s> with waking souls [ St. Paul’s Churchyard ]
    Yet never am affrighted.

    But I do sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    I know more than Apollo,
    For oft when he lies sleeping
    I see the stars at bloody wars
    In the wounded welkin weeping;
    The moon embrace her shepherd,
    And the Queen of Love her warrior,
    While the first doth horn the star of morn,
    And the next the heavenly Farrier>. [ Vulcan ]

    While I do sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    The gypsies, Snap and Pedro,
    Are none of Tom’s comradoes,
    The punk> I scorn and the cutpurse> sworn, [ whore / pickpocket ]
    And the roaring boy’s> bravadoes. [ street gangster ]
    The meek, the white, the gentle
    Me handle, touch, and spare not;
    But those that cross Tom Rynosseross
    Do what the panther dare not.

    Although I sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    With an host of furious fancies
    Whereof I am commander,
    With a burning spear and a horse of air,
    To the wilderness I wander.
    By a knight of ghosts and shadows,
    I summoned am to a tourney
    Ten leagues beyond the wide world’s end:
    Methinks it is no journey.

    Yet I will sing, Any food, any feeding,
    Feeding, drink, or clothing;
    Come dame or maid, be not afraid,
    Poor Tom will injure nothing.

    JS: David Bowie picked up where the poem ends. Who is Major Tom but a modern day Tom O’ Bedlam, properly tamed to fit into a modern day tin can? Yet the loveliness of his spirit is preserved. In a video made shortly before Bowie died, Tom’s body floats to another world, becoming an Idol of the people there.

  76. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

    VOLUNTEERS WANTED FOR CORONAVIRUS VACCINE RESEARCH

    Apply at Laboratory # 2

    see Dr Keezemia Corbett, NIH

  77. CancelMyCard April 24, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

    Sophia,

    ““You can pick up a a 12 oz gold eagle for $972 which is a 12.2% premium.”

    Say what?
    The price at apmex is about 1700 per ounce.”

    —————————————————————————–

    I think he left out a forward slash . . . as in . . .

    You can pick up a 1/2 oz gold eagle for $972

  78. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

    Hey Janos, that was one of Hart Crane’s favorite poems. Crane was called The Roaring Boy by his fellow poets and writers of the day including your HP Lovecraft, a personal friend of Hart Crane.

    Brh

  79. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

    Sophia:
    Say what?
    The price at apmex is about 1700 per ounce.

    I’m starting to sound like crazy Uncle Joe now. C’mon man, You know I meant 1/2 oz.

    EL, I know what yer sayin’ about the practical stuff. The only really good thing about the PM’s is they don’t take up much space and are easy to carry, hide, and convert back into worthless paper.

  80. ThorsHammer April 24, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

    It’s obvious that we must create a new economic system to replace the Bankster Capitalism that we have been pumping up like Humpty Dumpty until it was popped by a little glob of RNA.

    I propose the Potlatch System as developed by our PNW coast forefathers.

    Prestige should be earned by he who throws the biggest party and gives away his worldly goods, not by he who accumulates the most worthless toys.

    To get the party started let’s require that the richest 1,000 families in the country give away half their worldly goods. Spare homes, toy ranches, extra mistresses, Bugatti & Ferrari collections, $10 million dollar paint splatters on canvass—- everything. The proceeds to go into a startup fund to be distributed equally among all young people when they reach the age of responsibility (25?) Repeat every year until the “curve” starts to flatten out to more like it was in 1970 when we were something like a middle class country.

    For those Oligarchs who object to the new order, reward them with a permanent tropical vacation. The cells at Guantanamo would serve quite nicely, and the Cubans should receive a nice management fee plus compensation for the land originally stolen from them.

    As for the other plague upon the land, the Military Industrial Complex and all their lobbyists, Spook agencies, and bought-and-paid-for Senators and Representatives, we should allow them to play out their blackest fantasies in a manner that doesn’t harm the rest of the world. I’m thinking the purchase of a number of unpopulated desert islands and then sending the War Hawks ashore in opposing armies of 1,000 Blues and 1,000 Oranges armed only with long bows and clubs.

  81. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 3:06 pm #

    As the Arab Chieftain, Anthony Quinn, says in Laurence of Arabia, “I am a river to my people.”

    John Havlicek died last year on this day. What a great player. Wasn’t that fast but he never stopped running. Ran those young Black guys into the ground.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/day-died-april-25-john-062409641.html

  82. beantownbill. April 24, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

    @plunge:

    Commenters above are correct – with premiums so high, now isn’t a good time to buy. The other day I got on the US Mint website and found they’re asking $46 for 1 oz silver eagles! Most other dealers are asking around $25-27 per ounce, a ridiculous mark up. In the beginning of a societal breakdown, silver is better than gold because you can buy necessities without getting ripped off. Currently, silver is more or less equal to a $10 bill, so you can get your money’s worth of supplies. Gold, OTOH, is equal to about 17 $100 dollar bills per ounce. Try buying a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk with a 1/10th oz. gold coin – you’d get ripped off.

    Take Elysianfield’s advice – avoid precious metals, but buy supplies that other people want that you can trade with After a while during a total collapse, people won’t take gold and silver, just necessities in trade.

  83. malthuss April 24, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

    Bill, I dont think $25/ounce is gouging.
    sorry, not sorry.

  84. Roundball Shaman April 24, 2020 at 3:21 pm #

    “Times have changed and we’re going to have to get some new good ideas that fit the new times.”

    New ideas? Where do THOSE come from today?

    Not from the Boomer generation raised up by Idiot Box #1 (television) and 1950s and 1960s government-infested school indoctrination sessions.

    Not from the Children of Boomers who were raised by those folks listed above already compromised and infected by Idiot Box #1 and indoctrination sessions.

    Not from the Grandchildren of Boomers who fully embraced Idiot Box #2 (The Internet) when it magically appeared from the heavens (or from the other place) and who were raised by the Children of Boomers who were already compromised and infected by those folks raised on Idiot Box #1 and government-infested school indoctrination sessions.

    And not from the generations that follow who are even more deeply infected by Idiot Box #1, Idiot Box #2, and a general lack of creativity, ability to think and reason, analyze, and even dream. Add to that, today’s crushing form of social conformity and passivity that frowns upon stepping out of the box or being different from the Approved Herd.

    “New” ideas are simply not allowed anymore unless they have been fully vetted and approved by all of the world’s entrenched so-called authorities who are currently putting their hammer down on world society and all of us unfortunate ones caught in its clutches.

    Idiot Box #1, Idiot Box #2, and government-infested school indoctrination sessions have fully immunized us against ever coming up with new ideas and useful, creative thinking that is so desperately needed today and most certainly, tomorrow. And soon, there will be no one left to even notice that.

  85. malthuss April 24, 2020 at 3:21 pm #

    UNZ.COM

    Dr. Pepper says:Next New Comment
    April 23, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    In the UK, the entire white nation stops for 5 minutes to say a prayer for the single negro who was killed by a so-called white gang.

    Because this negro was killed without any real reason (or they didn’t tell us the reason), the entire white race in the UK stops during the day to honor his death on April 22nd from henceforth and forever.

    They must then think about how low white people are as compared to negroes.

    From reading the description of the day of mourning, all white people are expected to mourn like there was no tomorrow!

    I mean get down in sackcloth and ashes; banging their heads against a stone wall until they are unconscience, and howling and wailing like banshees out of hell. To quarter and draw all white men is not good enough, the negroes want their anger to be felt from generation to generation like the Emmett Till guy.

    Never mind that negroes kill whites every day of the week in the same way!

  86. Nightowl April 24, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

    “Amazon’s business model is a joke. The model is: every item purchased makes a separate journey by truck to the customer.
    ———————————————————————
    Small quibble, but I actually don’t agree with this.”

    ———————————————————–

    Hard to say what is worse. I work with a lot of young consultants who order literally dozens of items on a near weekly basis from various online portals like Amazon, Zappos, etc., just to try them on. They send back 90% of it.

    If you could see the volume of packages these people pick up and send back each week, you would be astounded. It is utterly idiotic.

  87. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

    Phew

    Earth Day and Ramadam in a single week

    How many High Holy Days can we take all at once?

  88. Nightowl April 24, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

    “There is a misconception that Trump, in one of his meetandgreets with the press, opined that Lysol, intravenously injected, might kill the virus”

    —————————————————————————

    Indeed. I can’t stop laughing. This latest McMedia narrative might just topple Two Scoops.

    And I never thought that could be possible.

    This is truly a great time to be alive!

  89. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

    Some in Italy fights back against the Globalist Terror. Italian Parliament. Scarbi Scatineto

    “We are on the eve of April 25th and we must be united against dictatorships and united in truth. We do not make this the Chamber of Lies: not on February 26th, but on March 9th science, the science evoked here, said that the virus was little more than an influenza. That science was the one that inspired this Government (Comments from the deputies of the MoVimento 5 Stelle and Democratic Party groups). It is said, it has been said, it is documented, it has been said, not so, tell the truth, don’t make this the Chamber of Lies. At least here the principle of Giambattista Vico applies: verum ipsum factum. And then, you heard and you gave the numbers, I want to give them too : no D’Attis, no Pagani; don’t say 25 thousand dead here too, that’s not true! Don’t use the dead for rhetoric and terrorism. The data of the Istituto Superiore della Sanità say that 96.3 percent died from other pathologies (Comments by MP Trizzino) Exactly the data, the numbers, the numbers say This is the truth!

    Go read them! Go read them! I read them all! 60 percent died of other conditions, said the Higher Institute of Health. If you don’t know, study (Comments from Deputy Trizzino)! Ignorant!

    While Italy was a red zone, everyone here was without masks. Today Basini is accused because he must carry it by force. You are ridiculous (Comments from the members of the MoVimento 5 Stelle group), you didn’t bring it until the day before yesterday: that’s exactly how it is! In Germany, economy, health and school will work perfectly on 4 May. We are a state with fewer rights in Europe. Germany has given proof of strength and correct response, here we are humiliated once again by Germany, even in the disease. We shut down 60 percent of the businesses. I give the data, dear Trizzino, go and check.

    So, it is clear that I was the first to ask for the closure of Parliament; today we are all masked here, while the other time there was only Dall’Osso; there were few who wore the mask, today it is pointed out if you do not wear it. Well, just because truth is the most important thing, we give real numbers, we don’t keep lying. There are certainly strong data. I also read them here, Trizzino: 56 percent in Lombardy, 14 percent in Emilia, 8 percent in Piedmont, 5 percent in Veneto. We cannot imagine applying uniform rules with such disparate areas of epidemic. So I say: at least here we tell the truth, measure ourselves against Germany, we are united in liberation against hypocrisy and lies, against falsifications, against false numbers that are given to terrorize Italians. The 25,000 dead, said Professor Bassetti, died of a heart attack, cancer, other diseases (Comments from the deputies of the MoVimento 5 Stelle and Democratic Party groups). Let’s not use them to humiliate Italy, let’s not use them to give citizens false news! Give the numbers, check them, and I challenge you, Trizzino, in a jury of honor to look at the numbers …

    I simply said that the numbers give them all, but they don’t give false numbers. 25 thousand Coronavirus people did not die in Italy: it is not true! It is a way of terrorizing Italians and imposing a dictatorship of consent: it is ridiculous (Applause of the deputy Cunial)!

    Barnhardt.Biz

    JS: Links to what he is saying are provided there. Who knows exactly? One of his sources says 60% died of other things and the other 96%. But clearly, the State is vastly inflating the numbers. Again, Why? It’s very unethical to say the least. There must be a compelling reason to throw aside medical ethics and common practice, but WHAT? The real disease isn’t being studied, it’s just a corona or ball – a political Football.

  90. tucsonspur April 24, 2020 at 3:37 pm #

    ‘Here’s what I think about the disease just now (subject to further evidence): it’s not just another flu. It operates differently, it’s more lethal, it affects many organs and can damage them permanently, and it spreads rapidly.
    That seems to have been the consensus of public health officials the world round who promoted the lockdown policy ­– and it’s hard to believe that they all got snookered into that.’

    Snookered into that? Into what? The lockdown?

    Describing the lockdown as trading ‘death for death’ vs. being open is specious and moronic.

    This article shows what we have become, how drastically effed up we are:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-shakes-conceit-american-exceptionalism-044914979.html

  91. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 3:37 pm #

    Who is with me? Who else is glad the giant millipedes (two meters long, able to run fifty miles an hour) are extinct? I can see mammals living underground and coming up to eat dinosaur eggs. But I can’t see them ever developing with giant bugs like this around, that could both climb and follow them down into their burrows.

  92. QuantumOfIdleness April 24, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

    I and my loved ones have remained healthy, and I have been able to move my teaching online, so I remain one of the lucky ones not to be adversely affected by this pandemic. Quite to the contrary, I feel guilty, that the pandemic feels like the snow days of my childhood and has been something of a blessing to me, since I now have a lot more time at home to read and cook and actually enjoy my meals without feeling rushed. My car sits in the driveway, unused and unmissed, while my feet and bicycle daily get me everywhere I want to go. I’ll be happy for those who have suffered when the cloud of this pandemic lifts, but I’ll feel a little sad for myself.

    Jim, your little ditty is quite good. Thanks for sharing it!

  93. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

    So in my own case this whole pandemic thing does not really affect my life much. I’m not hiding under my bed no matter what the governor says. I have been wearing a mask since before it became cool. The supermarket is open, drug stores, Hardware stores, Home Depot, liquor stores, pretty much all my usual stomping grounds. About the only thing I can’t get is a haircut. The feds are throwing money into my wife’s bank account like crazy. She’s making way more than she ever did working and I don’t have to take her out to dinner every week. Another win for me. I know millions are hurting and some old-timers are dying, but isn’t that what old-timers have always done? How is everyone else out there in CFN fairing?

  94. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 4:08 pm #

    Hey Backrow, I picked up a half gallon of milk at the market and Joe Biden’s picture was on it. I guess he has been missing.for a while now.

  95. elysianfield April 24, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

    Consider this;

    What would you rather have…a one ounce gold bullion coin in your pocket, or 150 bottles of cheap vodka stored in 13 cases in the corner of your garage?* Bug out scenarios are vague and usually contraindicated by reality.

    Regarding the proliferation of reports of vast numbers of people having been tested positive for CV antibodies. I suspect that the tests are false positive and are indicating another, but more benign pathogen. I am not a doctor, nor did I play one on TV, etc. but it seems improbable that in several weeks we lose 50,000 to the virus with the majority of the population having been infected without issue or knowledge. Improbable.

    *Ask the man with the cure…BRH knows.

  96. beantownbill. April 24, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

    My views on Covid-19:

    It IS a bad disease. Drowning in your own fluid is a not a way to go. Yes, many victims end up having no or mild symptoms. The problem is, and why this is such a nasty disease, is that we don’t yet know its long term effects In the body. We do know that permanent damage to some bodily systems do occur, and I read of people who have lingering symptoms 70 days after first getting sick. We’re not just talking about elderly people or those with existing conditions. Younger people are getting damaged, too.

    The latest is that the virus seems to affect blood clotting. People in their 30’s and 40’s who have had the virus have suffered strokes – at a rate much higher than normal.

    Basically, saying this is just a bad flu Is inaccurate. It is much worse than that.

  97. WayfaringStranger April 24, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

    Pattern Recognition for Today –

    War is coming. It won’t be the kind we watch on TV from our couches, we’ll feel this one.

  98. neon sky April 24, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

    Golden One’s people say sunlight, heat and humidity will kill the virus this summer. Finally, a use for global warming! Genius!

  99. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 5:22 pm #

    You know what they say El, You can’t eat gold. Unfortunately I would probably drink the vodka. Either that or Marlin would come by and take my vodka at the point of his Henry rifle.

  100. beantownbill. April 24, 2020 at 5:26 pm #

    @ St. Elmo’s & Marlin:

    My business has stopped, but I have accounts receivable coming in, my wife and I both get Social Security, soon we’ll get our $2,400, and next week I’m going to check with the state about qualifying for unemployment benefits as I’m self-employed. We’re both healthy so far, so all-in-all we’re doing ok.

    Yeah, old people die, but I don’t want it to be us. Next week I hit 75 and I don’t know what happened – last I remember is I went to bed and I was 25, now look at me!

    When we go out, we wear masks and gloves and try to keep at least 6 feet away from people. Even if I’m wrong and the virus is way overblown, well, no harm, no foul.

    Take care you guys and stay healthy. Even though you’re not as old as me, you aren’t spring chickens, either – you’re more like autumn chickens.

  101. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

    @ yes it is a hope many of us have that direct summer sunlight, longer days and warmer temps will produce an ameliorating effect on Covid-19. I don’t think this is an unreasonable hope; usually the seasonal flu subsides with the advent of spring and summer. As things stand now — and I think BTBill and Stelmos will back me on this — the freezing temps, sleet, sunless sky and endless cold rain aren’t helping matters any, either in slowing down the spread of the virus, or by improving morale.

    Brh

  102. zone45 April 24, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

    Nice song, Old man moon just keeps on smiling on the fools.
    We have had a chance to get it right,
    Seems like we keep getting it wrong.
    A kind of disconnect. The rich get richer, and the poor get shafted.
    Why? It does not have to be this way.
    Perhaps there will be a reset.

  103. zone45 April 24, 2020 at 5:45 pm #

    during the nuclear war scare the meme was this:
    tuck your head between you legs and kiss you ass goodbye.
    Still good advice.

  104. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

    From today’s essay:

    Grievances and recriminations sprout like the skunk cabbages of April: China did it to us so they could rule the world…. The Democrats are lovin’ it cuz it’ll finally get rid of the wicked Trump…. Bill Gates is lovin’ it because the vaccine he’s working on will make him rich…! Doctors Fauci and Birx are tools of Big Pharma…! The New World Order (aka The Globalists) are using it to take away our freedom and turn us into the foot-servants of George Soros…!

    Just about summed up nicely the fruitloops on this forum … just need to chuck in the happy-clappers and the red-baiters to get the whole six-pack.

    Happy ANZAC Day from sunny Australia!

  105. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

    God bless you Bill, sounds like you got it covered up there in Boston …

    and don’t worry about Stelmose; he’s one of the most practical, competent, self sufficient, independent individuals you’ll ever meet.

    Brh

  106. sophia April 24, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

    Describing the lockdown as trading ‘death for death’ vs. being open is specious and moronic.

    If so, it is only because the lockdown will cause so much more death and immiseration than the virus ever could.

  107. Q. Shtik April 24, 2020 at 5:57 pm #

    “…the older US silver coins from before 1964.” – sophia

    ============

    Your sentence above should say ‘from before 1965’ since 1964 and earlier silver coins contained 90% silver.

  108. sophia April 24, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    “How is everyone else out there in CFN fairing?”

    I don’t know but I would like to see a poll about people’s opinions on the lockdown paired with whether or not they have lost their jobs or business, or are in danger of doing so. I think that would be eye opening.

  109. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 6:06 pm #

    From today’s essay:

    Here’s what I think about the disease just now (subject to further evidence): it’s not just another flu. It operates differently, it’s more lethal, it affects many organs and can damage them permanently, and it spreads rapidly. That seems to have been the consensus of public health officials the world round who promoted the lockdown policy ­– and it’s hard to believe that they all got snookered into that.

    I agree entirely – it’s not just another flu … and the known unknowns are so important – and potentially very destructive – that the lockdown strategy was effectively the only choice. Imagine if New York had not done so – the runaway effect of the pandemic doesn’t bear thinking about

    I have no idea (or opinion) whether Covid-19 was engineered, either as a bio-weapon or a good-faith science project gone awry… or whether some hapless gourmet got it at the Wild Animal Cafe.

    I agree again – it’s unknown so remaining agnostic until there’s more data is the rational position to occupy … far too many column-inches have been expended on here with all manner of wild unsupported (and unsupportable) conspiracy theories … to feed the perps’ own sense of smugness … and being “in the know”. LOL!

    It’s entertaining in its own way … but entirely pointless.

  110. Q. Shtik April 24, 2020 at 6:34 pm #

    How do I buy physical gold? – dah plunge

    =============

    If you need to ask this question you have no business in the gold coin market. You will be screwed on both ends of the transaction. You’ll pay a hefty premium when you buy and you will not be able to charge your customer a premium when you sell.

    Besides, trying to make a buck on a measly $1,200 in gold coin is just not worth the hassle.

    Take the advice of elysianfield in his post at 1:47 pm.

  111. aibohphobia April 24, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

    Coronavirus is actually more related to the common cold than influenza–just with added features like the higher death rate, easier transmissibility, and very long latency period (infectious, but no symptoms).
    Usually, any infectious agent will gradually become less likely to kill the host; When it first hit Europe in the late 1400’s, Syphilis, for example, sometimes killed people 4 hours after they caught it, and could be transmitted by a handshake. In time, COVID will no longer kill 5 to 30% of those it infects.

    If this is a fragile virus that has no way to hide in the environment, social isolation COULD allow us to wait it out.

    The bad news for us, IMHO, is the recent news that cats, and maybe dogs, can catch and carry COVID. If they can transmit it to humans, and if it is carried by them (or worse, cows and squirrels) then it has likely already become endemic over the whole planet.

    In this worst case, COVID could then linger in the environment until it encounters more people, and eventually infect all of us. At this point, it is not known whether this virus is endemic. Hopefully it is not, but if endemic, it will eventually kill 5% of every human on the planet–Unless you have genes from North Africa, like Italians. 30% of them will eventually die.

    “Is COVID endemic? If so, can it be easily transmitted from animals to humans?”

    These are the main two questions we need to know. Everything else develops from them….

  112. Iananna April 24, 2020 at 6:47 pm #

    The great delusion (assuming our rulers are just dumb – always a safe bet – rather than concealing the dire truth in what is a 2 horse race) that when, eventually, sometime in the far, distant future we crawl out of lockdown it will be into the sunlit uplands of virus free world.
    Not so.
    It ain’t going away and most likely the enforced co-infection between the asymptomatic within our huddled masses will mean it’ll have lots of siblings & cousins to play with us.
    The vast majority of us are going to get it and most, judging by millennia of history, will not succumb.
    The only thing we now know for certain is that recovery seems NOT to confer immunity – and certainly not to mutations – which means, ipso facto, that no vaccine is possible.
    Humans have always co-existed with lethal disease, some better than others.
    Them’s the facts. Deal with it.

  113. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 6:47 pm #

    If so, it is only because the lockdown will cause so much more death and immiseration [sic] than the virus ever could.

    This is not supported by evidence I have seen … on the contrary, there is rather less death from a range of other ‘normal’ causes, including the flu, crime and road accidents (both vehicular and pedestrian).

    But it’s all beside the point; without the lockdown far more people would have died – or been permanently organ-damaged, or had their lifespan shortened – and there will be a number of upsides (I trust) when we come out of this.

    The ultimate stupid would be for MAGA governors to open too much and open too early. Did anyone listen to the Mar of Las Vegas? She was a total whacko who just denied everything she didn’t want to hear – she’d go well on here with some of the resident nuts.

  114. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 6:58 pm #

    It ain’t going away and most likely the enforced co-infection between the asymptomatic within our huddled masses will mean it’ll have lots of siblings & cousins to play with us.

    Indeed … we (in Australia, with tiny total numbers) have politicians and health officials saying that if we have zero cases (we’re very close to that) for two weeks, the virus will be eradicated. I immediately thought that you are only eradicating it from people who present with enough symptoms to get tested.

    The virus could circulate asymptomatically in quite a significant percentage of the population for a very long time, and even without mutations could surge regularly, and knock off the vulnerable all over again.

    A treatment and a vaccine would be very welcome.

  115. Q. Shtik April 24, 2020 at 7:07 pm #

    it’s hard to believe that they all got snookered into that. – JHK

    ============

    Let’s talk about the above bolded word. Does everyone here know what it means to be snookered? If not Google it. It is equivalent to being “stuck behind the 8-ball.”

    The game of Snooker is played primarily by Britons and their Canadian cousins and perhaps Aussies and New Zealanders. You won’t often find a Snooker table in the US of A unless you are somewhere close to the Canadian border, like Duluth, MN. Pete Atomic could probably confirm this.

    A Snooker table is much larger than a standard pool table, there are more balls (which are smaller than pool balls) and the pockets are very tight.

    Pronunciation-wise, the syllable ‘snook’ in snooker in the US typically rhymes with ‘book’ or ‘cook’ but in England it rhymes with ‘duke’ or ‘luke.’ The game is big on Brit TV. I’m guessing it is big in Scotland as well. Greenie?

  116. jeff2002 April 24, 2020 at 7:12 pm #

    More lethal than the flu? Not according to the numbers. The WHO says that seasonal flu kills up to 650,000 per year. Current Covid-19 mortality:196,000. Maybe by year end it gets to double that number.

    And that’s not even factoring in the loosey-goosey way they are counting deaths. Docs are advised to assume Covid-19 and don’t even need a confirmed test before filling out the death certificate. And the technology used in the test itself (the RT-PCR test) was never even intended for diagnostic purposes, but for research purposes, according to the inventor, Kary Mullis.

    Lots of things don’t add up. What we have here is an overreaction, deliberate or not, to a “crisis” that is demonstrably no worse than a bad flu season. Thank goodness more and more doctors are speaking out about it.

  117. Majella April 24, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

    Q. Shtik

    Snooker is a popular game indeed, though it’s hey-day on the teevee was the 70s early 80s with a British show called “Pot Black”, launched to take advantage of colour TV.

  118. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 7:26 pm #

    It’s fare easier to deceive someone than make them realize they’ve been they’ve been deceived. And as for getting them to admit as much – forget it. As all great salesmen know, the mark or sucker sells it to themselves. You just have to get your mental foot in their mental door.

    The American People have been duped and they’re never going to admit as much. They’ll double down in order to make it all feel right rather than just renounce the whole silly business.

    Someone above mentioned a 5% to 30% fatality rate? Not even the Government is claiming that.

  119. gustafson.robert.22 April 24, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

    and the covid deathrate when whole populations are tested is only slightly higher than flu (la county, ny state, germany).

    lot of people on here really diving into covid paranoia. would have expected more nonconformist critical thinking on the jhk forum

    to me the most significant takeaway from covid is just how degraded and ignorant all our political structures are, and population.

    I think covid is a “scapegoat” issue. Something for us to collectively wring our hands about in the hopes that the handwringing will appease the gods and take away much deeper , more real problems.

  120. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

    Q was a Master of Pool, but also Snooker? I don’t know and will hopefully never know. It suffices to know that he snookered people in some kind of betting or wagering pool; a pyramid scheme perhaps.

  121. Majella April 24, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

    Nightowl
    April 24, 2020 at 3:32 pm #
    “There is a misconception that Trump, in one of his meetandgreets with the press, opined that Lysol, intravenously injected, might kill the virus”

    —————————————————————————

    Indeed. I can’t stop laughing. This latest McMedia narrative might just topple Two Scoops.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    A McMedia narrative, based on what Himself said, live on TV.

    “The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

    In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

    A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

    He went on to say: “Is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=BalDN6iGYpE&feature=emb_logo

  122. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

    Pronunciation-wise, the syllable ‘snook’ in snooker in the US typically rhymes with ‘book’ or ‘cook’ but in England it rhymes with ‘duke’ or ‘luke.’ The game is big on Brit TV. I’m guessing it is big in Scotland as well.

    I can also attest that snooker (yes, “snook” rhymes with spook but not our “duke”) is alive and well in Australia. A full-size table (as seen in TV pro games, and the same as for billiards) is pretty rare – I have used just a few in up-scale hotels and resorts. They’re hard.

    Snooker and increasingly pool (with numbered balls) are both pretty popular in clubs and pubs around Australia, and more than a few blokes have one at home in the shed.

    There is no eight-ball in snooker, of course. But you can still get “snookered” behind the black ball.

  123. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

    Cargill

    Saw your post earlier about the creation of the virus.

    I have a theory about why this really nasty virus took off.

    Governments today are awful. What makes them so is the fact that their reason for existence, in their eyes, is to do nothing.

    Remember what inertia does? That is government. Sit still and do nothing until a big enough force makes them move. Then we cannot get them to stop without another opposing force.

    The government in this country, the Deep State, is exactly that. The elected ones do nothing, get paid big bucks and all kinds of benefits, spend 80% of their time working to get re-elected, and pull the wool over their constituents eyes to get re-elected. The appointed ones are worse. They get locked into place and their policies become the way things run. We are no longer run by our elected officials but by the bureaucracy. Their main function is to protect themselves from the elected ones. The Deep States reaction to Trump is a perfect example. Others are Nixon, Carter, Reagan.

    This virus is a curse to these worthless SOBs. Around the world, starting with China, all governments reacted exactly the same way. Ignore the problem and hope it will clear itself up. They all did it!! Xi first, then Italy and Iran, then Trump and the rest of the Deep State, then Europe. Ignore it so they do not have to do anything. Inertia, no movement until a force happens. The virus is a force.

    I had hoped Trump would follow through with his anti-Deep State promises. Whether because of the Resistance or his being absorbed by inertia, he has not performed. I do not believe in government control of much of anything. I know you do. To me, government as now practiced is worthless. I do believe that Trump is proof, in the US that it is too late and government will take more and more control

    Who knows, with the new saeculum coming aboard rapidly now, Republican Democracy May just plain not work any more. Same with capitalism. I am wondering what the reaction to the current Crisis will be and what attitudes will form the next High.

  124. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 7:59 pm #

    Q, the pool hall in the next town over has a snooker table and were 250+ miles from the Canadian border.

  125. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

    I should clarify, in Aus-speak (and in Britain too) snook, spook, fluke, and Luke all rhyme exactly, but not “duke”, which has a definite “yu” sound in there, like “Tuesday”, and so it isn’t a straight “oo” sound.

  126. JohnAZ April 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm #

    Hmmm. Lots of questions and statements about the virus comparing it to other viruses, especially flu. The antibody testing, by showing how widely and undetected it is running, gives a mortality rate that IS about the same as a bad flu year.

    We do not fear the flu. We have factored it into our daily lives in the cold months. Vaccines come and go, some work, others miss the mark. Old folks die in droves from the flu, but we document them as CHF or pneumonia. Why don’t we blame it all on the flu virus?

    I would like to get the real answer of what has sparked the degree of fear this has. I am pretty well convinced that it is a concerted effort by media sources, including social media, and many conflicting polities in the world to control we the people.

    Hint hint! They are succeeding.

  127. stelmosfire April 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm #

    The funny thing about Trump’s lysol comment is people took him seriously and were wondering if they should actually drink it. People that would drink lysol on anybody’s advice should probably be removed from the gene pool anyway.

  128. Rod Cloutier April 24, 2020 at 8:06 pm #

    The song and the melody was quite appealing. Way better than that new JFK crap that Bob Dylan put out this week. You may have missed your true calling.

  129. sophia April 24, 2020 at 8:46 pm #

    These two doctors give an excellent presentation on why the data now show we should stop the lockdown. Also interesting that they say staying at home even for two months will lower your immune system.

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing, Pt. 2

  130. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 8:53 pm #

    Denninger (Stock Market)

    With more than 19.4 million people residents, the preliminary results indicate that at least 2.7 million New Yorkers have been infected with Covid-19.

    The official data is that 257,000, roughly, NY State residents have had it. The real number is 10x higher or more.

    This in turn means the fatality rate is 10x lower or more.

    And that, in turn, means that:

    The risk of death is no greater than that of a bad seasonal flu. This makes all of the lockdown and other suspension/mitigation measures worthless, as they were unjustified in fact and in law. There is no basis for continuing any of them for even one more day. That includes masks, “social distancing” restrictions or anything else.

    .
    The capability to “track and trace” is a literal zero since 90% or more of the cases will never be recorded by anyone. Therefore all claims of “track and trace” or anything related to it are not only unjustified they’re criminally insane or intended for other purposes.
    Folks, the game’s over. This is not the first such study but it’s the largest and in one of the “hot spots” — in fact, the hot spot.

    The scientific facts are now in. There is no scientific reason for any governor to support or allow any lockdown or suspension of any sort to continue for even one more day. There is no reason predicated on science for any citizen to follow any such direction for even one more day.

    IF the governors do not immediately lift, and our President does not immediately demand the lifting of all such orders right here, right now, within the next hour then the government at both State and Federal levels is entirely illegitimate, it is now committing felony kidnapping and there is just cause for it to be removed and replaced by any means necessary.

    The debate, on the science, is over.

  131. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

    Governments today are awful. What makes them so is the fact that their reason for existence, in their eyes, is to do nothing.

    I hear what you’re saying, JohnAZ, however I think we need to be cautious about tarring all governments with the same brush. Setting aside what China did or didn’t do in Wuhan, places like Italy and Iran were first, and literally didn’t know what they were dealing with.

    And some countries – Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore (initially), Australia, and New Zealand … these governments did act very quickly, and have been ‘rewarded’ with very low case numbers.

    I don’t think governments (and bureaucracies) want to do nothing … but they don’t want to do three things:

    ? anything that is “wrong” or bone-headed
    ? anything that costs a lot of money
    ? anything that is really unpopular with the voters

    And the elected ones always have a lot of time for what helps their re-election chances, both personally and for their party – but that’s to be expected everywhere.

    Perhaps I have grown up in a culture where the relationship between “the people” and government is far better, and far healthier, and it’s in their interests to be responsible and responsive. Even when I worked in various bits of the government machinery here, we were very conscious that he had to maintain a “social licence to operate”.

    I also like our parliamentary system far more that the US republic model … but that’s a debate for another day, even though it has major consequences for how to deal with crises like pandemics.

  132. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

    China’s using the Chaos to clean house in Hong Kong. Think they weren’t enraged at our part in the Hong Kong fracas? Interfering in their internal business, almost to the level of a coup or color revolution? Enraged enough to strike back? The Chinese do get very embarrassed, but then they typically get very angry – unless their guilt is obvious to themselves and to others. But setting them up as we did? I’d say they were beside themselves at our behavior.

  133. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

    The Shaw brothers fled from the Chinese mainland to Hong Kong and then worked as cooks. One foggy night they rowed back and dug up the gold they had buried. They returned to Hong Kong, quit their jobs, and opened up a movie studio – becoming even richer. Bruce Lee was their most prominent star.

    That’s the purpose of gold: easily transferable wealth under the radar.

  134. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 9:03 pm #

    Chemotherapy kills the bad cells quicker than it kills the good ones. Brutal but it can be effective. That’s all Trump was getting at in terms of his Lysol comment. The Light angle is more interesting. Shine light inside the body? Could it work?

  135. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 9:08 pm #

    IF the governors do not immediately lift, and our President does not immediately demand the lifting of all such orders right here, right now, within the next hour then the government at both State and Federal levels is entirely illegitimate, it is now committing felony kidnapping and there is just cause for it to be removed and replaced by any means necessary.

    Goodness. Time to have a cup of tea and a good lie-down, I think!

    I don’t quite know where to start to deconstructed all the falsehoods in your analysis, but one fact remains clear: had the states not instigated lockdowns, then the number of cases requiring hospitalisation, and the number of deaths, would be far higher.

    The lockdowns have saved many thousands of lives, and the continuation of the lockdowns will save many thousands more. If you just let things “rip”, medical services in many places would be overwhelmed with severe cases.

    And the real danger remains – people can be infectious carriers (and spreaders) wile remaining totally asymptomatic. You need to do huge amounts of testing before assuming that things can re-open.

    It’s far too early for schoolkids to be visiting their grandparents.

    The flu is a totally different creature in its behaviour. Plus the over-riding factor is that there is a vaccine for it … until there is an effective treatment, and/or a vaccine. for Covid-19, it would be criminal to re-open the states to the extent that new cases surge again.

  136. BackRowHeckler April 24, 2020 at 9:08 pm #

    Red Cloutier

    Dylan’s release of that JFK song was quite bizarre, however …

    The man’s 80 years old, give him a break. Not for nothing is he known as “the hardest working man in show business”. Hell, even after he won a Nobel Prize he made appearances in small venues across the country. Bob Dylan is a national treasure and I’m happy he’s still with us.

    Brh

  137. tucsonspur April 24, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

    Trump was not being sarcastic. Look at the video, look at Dr. Birx.
    Look at different videos, like I did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BalDN6iGYpE

    Afterwards, he says he was being sarcastic just to see what would happen. WTF! I guess the inner child is still there. The Gigantic Goofball of Gotham strikes again.

    The light and heat ideas weren’t so bad. I guess X-rays would be too injurious. A number of ‘mild’ doses? Is the entire lung affected by the virus?

  138. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 9:15 pm #

    Chemotherapy kills the bad cells quicker than it kills the good ones. Brutal but it can be effective. That’s all Trump was getting at in terms of his Lysol comment. The Light angle is more interesting. Shine light inside the body? Could it work?

    The president’s comments were nothing but lunatic soup – he is nuts. He seems a lot like some on here – they believe and then repeat the last rubbish they heard or read – often without attribution at all – and often the most whacko myths as if they have some credence.

    Being an apologist for Trump is even worse than being Trump – it brings credit to absolutely no-one. And leave the medical science to the trained people. Perhaps we could breed more leeches, and get them to suck out the blood of infected people too.

  139. tucsonspur April 24, 2020 at 9:22 pm #

    Brh, I never went to any celebrity’s funeral, but if Bob passes before I do and it’s possible to go to his, I’ll be there.

  140. SW April 24, 2020 at 9:48 pm #

    Cargill — “The flu is a totally different creature in its behaviour. Plus the over-riding factor is that there is a vaccine for it ..”

    Sorry but the flu shot rarely hits the target. Every year like clock work there’s someone from the CDC mumbling “the flu shot doesn’t appear to work on the strain present in the population this year.” But every year just like clockwork, everyone is harassed into taking the flu shot yet again. Covid-19 will become endemic and there will be silent carriers and some of the cases will be deadly but most won’t. And treatment for the virus will become better too as doctors have a chance to evaluate outcomes. Already they’re learning that putting patients on respirators is counterproductive.

  141. Q. Shtik April 24, 2020 at 10:18 pm #

    “To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!” – Majella

    ===========

    This seems like a good time to mention, again, the book The Great Influenza by John M. Barry which I read cover to cover. There’s nothing new under the sun. You would not believe some of the off-the-wall lame-brained and down right insane cures that were not only suggested but tried for the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago. There’s no telling how many people may have died from these mad cures. It goes without saying that blood letting and leeches still had its adherents in 1918.

    I heard on TV today that Trump walked back his remarks about the disinfectant… I forget his exact words but something like ‘it was a joke.’

  142. Majella April 24, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

    Hey marlin – Screwdriver Smoothie 2.0 – add a shot of Harpic!

  143. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 10:52 pm #

    Bill: In serious cases, the disease produces strange, damaging, and deadly effects. In mild and moderate cases, it is much like the Flu – even though it is not per se. The Spanish Influenza was far worse. Apparently so are Ebola and H1N1, but not as contagious as either.

  144. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

    Boy Scout plays taps outside hard hit Veteran’s rest home. A good kid.
    A White Hispanic.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nj-veterans-home-stricken-coronavirus-205341004.html

  145. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 10:54 pm #

    Sorry but the flu shot rarely hits the target. Every year like clock work there’s someone from the CDC mumbling “the flu shot doesn’t appear to work on the strain present in the population this year.” But every year just like clockwork, everyone is harassed into taking the flu shot yet again.

    Not sure there’s any reason to start your post with “Sorry” – no need to apologise for anything!

    There is no reason to make the perfect the enemy of the good. Getting a flu shot is generally considered much better than not getting it, especially for the older and more vulnerable. All of us over 65 in Australia get it at no cost each April-May, and lots of workplaces offer it free on-site as well.

    A lot of clever people put a lot of effort into the flu vaccine(s) each winter – and in fact Australia is somewhat the guinea pig here. Our winter (June – August) comes before the Northern Hemisphere one, and the vaccine is researched thoroughly to check how effective it is – and I guess it’s tweaked as required.

    People aren’t harangued, just because government health authorities suggest you get the vaccine each winter … it is just advice, and you don’t have to take it if you don’t want to.

  146. Q. Shtik April 24, 2020 at 10:58 pm #

    I should clarify, in Aus-speak (and in Britain too) snook, spook, fluke, and Luke all rhyme exactly, but not “duke”, which has a definite “yu” sound in there, like “Tuesday”, and so it isn’t a straight “oo” sound. – Cargill

    =========

    I need to be more careful when I use ‘rhymes with’ in the presence of Brits and their various cousins. I had not given a thought to duke being pronounced dyuke much less Tyuesday. Where I come from we’re not that classy. It’s just plain ‘ol Toozday.

    I am reminded of another oddity in difference between English English and American English. I heard an English disc jockey announce the next record as from Juran Juran. It took me several minutes to realize he was speaking of Duran Duran. In what freaking sense does Du become Ju???

  147. Majella April 24, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

    The Onion is, of course, loving this stuff:

    https://www.theonion.com/

    “‘A Dash Of Soap Bubbles, 2 Pinches Of Sunshine, And Just A Drop Of Imagination’ Says Top Hat-Wearing Trump Pouring Ingredients Into Fizzing Concoction”

    And really good advice:

    “Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure”

  148. Cargill April 24, 2020 at 11:11 pm #

    lot of people on here really diving into covid paranoia. would have expected more nonconformist critical thinking on the jhk forum

    Those of us who think the pandemic is serious and the lockdowns are an appropriate response are not paranoid about anything; we are on the side of those trying to save lives, and reduce the menace.

    It is the covid-deniers and tinfoil hats who exhibit a morbid fear of science and medicine, and their non-conformist views are risible.

    And why surprise on a JHK forum? JHK himself in the last few essays has stated that the pandemic is serious, and that all the conspiracy theories are just so much apple-sauce.

    He also raises good questions about the economic impact of the various lockdowns, but he has never condemned them as government over-reach, or something more sinister.

    The critical thinking comes from those of us who do take it seriously and don’t dive down diversionary rabbit-holes. THere is an obsession on here from some to suggest that the lockdowns are a plot by the elite, and that all the medical statistics are totally rigged to keep the people compliant.

    These whacko stories need to be exposed for what they are. A little bit of UV light, followed by a dose of household cleaner, could do the trick!

  149. gustafson.robert.22 April 24, 2020 at 11:19 pm #

    Cargill
    hey. I read jhk’s covid take as a bit in the middle ground.

    I can’t see, for myself, how lockdown has prevented anything…only slowed it down. 20% of populations are being exposed even with lockdown measures. Everyone is going to be exposed either way. And with recent multiple confirmations that death rate is vvery comparable to flu…i dont see the point of lockdown, certainly not going forward. Categorizing this type take as conspiracist…that’s just off kinda, and seems like a blindly conformist position in this current climate more or less…to me ?

  150. elysianfield April 25, 2020 at 12:07 am #

    “A Snooker table is much larger than a standard pool table, there are more balls (which are smaller than pool balls) and the pockets are very tight.”

    Q,
    Yes, and I am sure you are aware that the cushions of the pockets are rounded into the pocket, not angled, which does not allow for a sloppy shot…you cannot count on the action of the cushion to angle the ball into the pocket… tends to carom the ball out, rather than in.

    …spent many hours on the long green….

  151. elysianfield April 25, 2020 at 12:15 am #

    “I saw one post about corona toes or red spots on you toes. I had those a few months ago but when I shifted my weight they went away. I may have had corvid for a few minutes.”

    Janos,
    Your post indicates you are relatively svelte…were you morbidly obese you could not SEE your toes, nor anything else below your sternum.

    It’s that meta data thang.

  152. Majella April 25, 2020 at 12:21 am #

    I know it’s outdated but still – very amsuing, Cargill et al,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A

  153. elysianfield April 25, 2020 at 12:53 am #

    Journal of the Plague Year 24 April 2020

    Despite 12 days of steady rain, it appears that most of the peach trees are setting fruit. Babcocks are loaded, as usual, and even the 49er looks good. We are promised warmer weather the week upcoming, so have the carrots, onions, cucumbers, both yellow and zucchini squash planted, as well as the sugar peas. Tomatoes going into the ground as soon as time permits.

    Ebay busier than usual. May be that people sequestered are addressing their hobbies,several of which my products support…spending way too much time in the machine shop.

    Haven’t received our money from Uncle Sugar to date…heard that much of the money the US is sending out is going to purchase guns and hand-held bidets…WAY ahead of you on both counts. Neighbor has been bringing crates of vegetables…all varieties including papaya, pineapples, oranges, asparagus, artichokes, etc. You’ve probably heard the term “Dog Robber”…well “Pig Robber” in this case applies. I owe him bigly…hope sexual favors are not on his mind….

    Interesting phone call from the local hospital. Wants wife to present herself on Wednesday, for a consultation with a wound doctor (pressure sores). Wants us to drive to the parking lot where we would be met by some functionary and loaned an ipad, and then conduct the consultation via…whatever…skype? In the parking lot.
    Why not telephonic from home? Does he suggest my wife disrobe in the lot and shamelessly display the wounds? Probably not, but we have not heard back from the hospital regarding a change in the itinerary. In any case, the ipad thing represents a new level of concern…three cases of CV, so far in the county. Cancer center allows no entry to caregivers or visitors…4 to 5 hour wait in the parking lot each visit, once a week.

    The acre or so of grass lawn that contains the orchard is almost too high to mow…and I’ve already mowed it twice this year. The Toro 325 Diesel mower I have cuts a 7 foot swath…takes two hours to mow in normal conditions.

    Consider that Ford is now making respirators…I cannot get the advert out of my mind;

    “Is there a Ford in your Future”?

  154. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 1:45 am #

    FYI, or to anyone who gives a rat’s ass. Two or three(?) out of the first 32 picks in the NFL draft were white. Two QBs.

    Why aren’t whites clamoring for more representation? Are they too busy trying to learn rap? I thought that shit was almost over.

    Feels good though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AULRSOK1KPQ

    World swingin’ from his nuts. Good stuff

  155. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 1:54 am #

    Ely, sounds like you’ve got the life as they say. No caretakers?
    Yeah, send photos by phone, why not? Well wishes.

  156. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 1:58 am #

    Maybe record keeping legal concerns.

  157. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 2:14 am #

    I am reminded of another oddity in difference between English English and American English. I heard an English disc jockey announce the next record as from Juran Juran. It took me several minutes to realize he was speaking of Duran Duran. In what freaking sense does Du become Ju???

    We tend to do it rather a lot, I’m afraid … other words with a Ju sound can include:

    • duty
    • durable
    • Durie (a surname)
    • duration
    • duplicate
    • dubious
    • Dubonnet (drink)
    • duel
    • duet
    • during
    • duress
    • duped
    • dukes
    • due

    Not all to the same egregious extent, but they all have some flavour of it! And Australians are pretty regular (neutral) in pronunciation – it is the Kiwis, Seth Afrikkens, and some varieties of Brit-speak that are really off the wall!

  158. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 2:18 am #

    Why aren’t whites clamoring for more representation? Are they too busy trying to learn rap? I thought that shit was almost over.

    My nephew (who grew up in a fine Mid-Atlantic state) went to college on a football program – he was basically the only white guy in the freshman squad – or any squad – and the culture was such that he pulled the pin after a year and became a PE teacher.

  159. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 2:45 am #

    Cargill
    hey. I read jhk’s covid take as a bit in the middle ground.

    I can’t see, for myself, how lockdown has prevented anything…only slowed it down. 20% of populations are being exposed even with lockdown measures. Everyone is going to be exposed either way. And with recent multiple confirmations that death rate is vvery comparable to flu…i dont see the point of lockdown, certainly not going forward. Categorizing this type take as conspiracist…that’s just off kinda, and seems like a blindly conformist position in this current climate more or less…to me ?

    Fair enough … I also see JHK taking at least an agnostic position (which I guess is sort of middling). But he certainly said that it isn’t like an ordinary flu.

    I did buy the argument that the lockdown strategy was essential for keeping the big numbers down – they knew full well (Jan-Feb?) that they didn’t have the beds, the PPE, the ventilators, the tests, and everything else they knew they needed.

    THe lockdown I expect has saved a lot of lives in eight weeks – of course whether it “saves” huge numbers over twelve months … I guess we only see such things in the rear-vision mirror.

    Certainly not saying that you were lurking around conspiracy nuttiness, but a lot on here do – in terms of saying it’s a huge beat-up for a lot of nefarious purposes – the lockdowns I mean – the origin and nature of the virus itself (natural or cooked up) is a whole ‘nother bucket of theories.

    And I don’t apologise for being “conformist” – in the sense that I don’t hate governments, I don’t blindly distrust medical science, I don’t think people in key positions are lying to me, I don’t believe the MSM are in some giant lockstep with powerful interests, and nor do I think there is a single force on the planet (elite cabal or other) that wanted / wants what has happened.

    For the simple fact there are no winners in it.

  160. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 2:56 am #

    I know it’s outdated but still – very amsuing, Cargill et al,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A

    Very amsuing indeed … and I do love Gilbert & Sullivan! LOL!

  161. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 3:43 am #

    I love that little ditty Mr. K, thank you for sharing it with us!

  162. Linda April 25, 2020 at 3:56 am #

    Sophia,
    I am 70 and receiving a pension and social security. My partner is receiving social security and works part time during tax season. Very little has changed for us. what annoys me is that I can’t get my hair cut or a pedicure. And compared to many others, that’s small potatoes. Been reading this blog since 2008.

  163. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 4:16 am #

    Trump will lose to Biden because his response to the pandemic was pathetic, no-one ever trusts what he says, the economy is in collapse and it is his fault, and 50,000 Americans have been killed.

    Had he – or anyone in the White House – had had the slightest intelligence, they could have turned the pandemic into a win on 3 November. But they are so dumb they completely stuffed it up.

    I trust all you Trump apologists will now vote Democrat … if you had the slightest – the smallest – moral compass, you would do so. Trump is the devil incarnate.

  164. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 4:23 am #

    I wonder if someone would actually try a lysol injection? It sounds pretty insane right. But I have heard of people inhaling lysol and tasting hand sanitizer to stop corona. And then there was the whole epidemic of people eating tide pods a while back. I really really doubt anyone will inject themselves with lysol just because some people think Trump sorta kinda indicated doing so might be a good thing. But it seems the media is sure people are already doing it. And I bet anybody who would inject themselves with lysol would do so at any time no matter who says what. So that pretty much is fake news again.

  165. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 4:26 am #

    These two doctors give an excellent presentation on why the data now show we should stop the lockdown. Also interesting that they say staying at home even for two months will lower your immune system.

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing, Pt. 2

    Firstly, this is one doctor, not two LOL!

    Secondly, you provide no information, and nor any links.

    And thirdly, you never describe where you get this weird “information”.

    Are you posting under the influence? If so, it wouldn’t be for the first time!

  166. sunburstsoldier April 25, 2020 at 4:45 am #

    Cargill and Majella have driven me away from this site. I am tired of listening to a couple of leftist shrills.

  167. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 4:51 am #

    I wonder if someone would actually try a lysol injection? It sounds pretty insane right. But I have heard of people inhaling lysol and tasting hand sanitizer to stop corona.

    Is there ANY level of stupid that MAGA Trumpists can’t sink to?

    Oh well, fewer nut-fudge right-wing voters in November. LOL!

  168. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 4:52 am #

    Cargill and Majella have driven me away from this site. I am tired of listening to a couple of leftist shrills.

    Thank goodness for small mercies! LOL!

  169. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 5:03 am #

    Yes Cargill. The media would be equally excited to see many heartland working and middle class people drop dead. I’m afraid though they are concerned about this phenomenon occurring within demographics that you also would be terribly terribly concerned about.

  170. HowardBeale April 25, 2020 at 5:11 am #

    Jim,
    If this financial catastrophe passing itself off as a country ever does break down, those who are stuck spending time with you are the lucky ones…

  171. sunburstsoldier April 25, 2020 at 5:37 am #

    Actually the lefties are only part of the problem. I guess I am too optimistic and idealistic for most of the folks here. I believe God holds this world in the ‘hollow of His hand’ and all the conspiracy theory paranoia, the endless, depressing back and forth, the rudeness and incivility wears on me. Adios amigos!!

  172. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 6:05 am #

    Yes Cargill. The media would be equally excited to see many heartland working and middle class people drop dead. I’m afraid though they are concerned about this phenomenon occurring within demographics that you also would be terribly terribly concerned about.

    This doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, Do you wish to re-write it and re-submit? TIA.

  173. zone45 April 25, 2020 at 6:26 am #

    Watching the sun rise this morning. A bright new day.
    Some people being born, some dying.
    Now we are in a purge. time to flush out the system.
    No big deal. Business as usual. Get on with it.

  174. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 6:27 am #

    A small note for Q –

    Re ‘Duran Duran’, it’s pronounced ‘Dyuran Dyuran’. Now say it 100 times and see if you can manage not to have it morph into Juran Juran. That linguistic slip happens constantly in similar words (due/jew) unless you’re the royal family or a 1950s BBC newsreader.

    Incidentally, how to you pronounce ‘Hugh’? I’m guessing it’s not ‘Hoo’.

    So when we say ‘Hyugh’ is dyue’, we’re the ones being logical. 🙂

    And for Cargill, I’ve only heard Dubonnet pronounced ‘Dubonnet’ and not ‘Dyubonnet, but I only drank it briefly as a student and my flatmates were stewdents of French. like myself. 🙂

  175. Majella April 25, 2020 at 6:35 am #

    Cargill! What a shameless calumny!

    “Not all to the same egregious extent, but they all have some flavour of it! And Australians are pretty regular (neutral) in pronunciation – it is the Kiwis, Seth Afrikkens, and some varieties of Brit-speak that are really off the wall!”

    I’ll have you know that I’ve been to MANY countries on this planet and in everyone of them I’ve found people that speak with an accent, while I don’t have one – at ALL!

    Even in ‘Straya, YOU have the accent, not I! (The simplest example – and one of the most egregious – is ‘nice’, pronounced ‘noice’ in The West Island.)

    Jaapies are a different kettle of fush (sic) though, but the Brits have thousands of years of developing local dialects, so you really can’t punch down on them, mate.

    “Dubonnet (drink)” – nah, mate, that’s “Doobonnet’ in NZ – exceptions make the rules.

  176. Majella April 25, 2020 at 6:37 am #

    sunburstsoldier
    April 25, 2020 at 4:45 am #
    Cargill and Majella have driven me away from this site. I am tired of listening to a couple of leftist shrills.

    Oh, so it wasn’t the pathetic jokes, then?

    (Psst! Cargill! Send a carrier pigeon to HQ. Tell them we got another one and would like our bonus money deposited in that numbered bank account in the Cook Islands!).

  177. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 6:46 am #

    cargill,

    appreciated response to my post.
    one of the things i love about jhk’s blog is how, even if i don’t agree 100% with every take (whether takes lean right or left), blog rarely ever takes the mainstream leftist line, or the mainstream righty line (because guided by overarching energy decline perspective).

    hospitals getting overloaded is a fair point supporting lockdown, though for me it seems like mild cases don’t need much medical attention, and many of the severe cases actually aren’t helped much by ventilators or anything else

  178. Majella April 25, 2020 at 6:47 am #

    SSL:

    “I really really doubt anyone will inject themselves with lysol just because some people think Trump sorta kinda indicated doing so might be a good thing. But it seems the media is sure people are already doing it. And I bet anybody who would inject themselves with lysol would do so at any time no matter who says what. So that pretty much is fake news again.”

    What do you mean “the media is sure people are already doing it.”? Then having described the possibiliy that someone COULD WEL do that, you then pull out the ‘fake news’ trope. FFS. Get a grip on your extremely woolly thinking

  179. Majella April 25, 2020 at 6:48 am #

    sunburstsoldier
    April 25, 2020 at 5:37 am #
    Actually the lefties are only part of the problem. I guess I am too optimistic and idealistic for most of the folks here. I believe God holds this world in the ‘hollow of His hand’ and all the conspiracy theory paranoia, the endless, depressing back and forth, the rudeness and incivility wears on me. Adios amigos!!

    Dang! Cargill, there goes our Bonus!!!

  180. Majella April 25, 2020 at 6:59 am #

    SSL:

    “I really really doubt anyone will inject themselves with lysol just because some people think Trump sorta kinda indicated doing so might be a good thing.

    You remember the couple that drank aquarium cleaner because it LOOKED like it had chloroquine in it, right? Just after Himself first mentioned it on TeeVee? One of them died and the other…will now vote Democrat.

    Anyway, I thougt you’d seen through t

  181. Majella April 25, 2020 at 7:00 am #

    Anyway, I thought you’d seen through the Orange Tweeter-in-Chief already?

  182. HowardBeale April 25, 2020 at 7:04 am #

    Majella, You needz a get yoself some new friends.
    Nobody out here is missin’ the aquarium-cleaning-solution drinkers.
    Savival now, ya hear me?
    Only the…don’t be drinkin’ no quaruim cleaner” people survive…

  183. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 7:19 am #

    SSL

    “Yes Cargill. The media would be equally excited to see many heartland working and middle class people drop dead. I’m afraid though they are concerned about this phenomenon occurring within demographics that you also would be terribly terribly concerned about.”

    I’m trying to stay out of the fray on this subject because the accusations are becoming ridiculous.

    However, what strikes me about your own position is that it’s flapped rather wildly since the early days. A couple of people remarked, early on, on the fact that you were about the most paranoid about the virus itself. Then you switched to being among the most paranoid about the response to the virus. There seems to be no pleasing you.

    This volte face does suggest a taste for paranoia in general, if I dare say so.

    In the meantime, I listened to a discussion among sensible people on the teevee last night which included one of my erstwhile authors, Prof. Mike Griffin OBE, gastrointestinal surgeon, who most definitely knows what he’s talking about regarding the risks of performing complex GI cancer surgery in a virus-laden hospital, where the cancer op. patients may also require time in ICU). The discussion was mainly about how to get surgery, in particular, back on track in the next few weeks while hospitals still have lots of Covid patients – and presumably lots of asymptomatic Covid health workers, porters and cleaners.

    Anyway, another party to the discussion made exactly the point I made the other day to Janos … that the Covid death statistics from England have been massively under-reported. Said statistics (unlike in Scotland) only include hospital deaths. Patients in hospital are tested. Patients in care homes and the community aren’t routinely tested because the test kits have not been forthcoming (provision has been shambolic, like most of the response of Boris Johnson’s government, who are clueless).

    Therefore GPs are putting ‘bronchial pneumonia’ as cause of death in the absence of a test allowing them to put Covid, which they suspect. IF there’s a test available the person can be tested when they’ve died and the correction made later – there is a space on the death certificate where you can indicate that further information may become available in due course. If the certificate were later amended, the stats would eventually feed into the totals, but (a) there aren’t enough test kits so mostly this won’t happen, and (b) the English published Covid death totals don’t currently include deaths outside of hospitals anyway, so the even half-full statistics won’t be available until much later.

    As the chap on the programme pointed out, as I did earlier, when it all comes out in the wash, thousands of extra deaths will need to be added to the English totals. And many will simply never be counted as Covid deaths when they were. In Scotland a third of Covid deaths are happening in care homes, and some more are presumably happening at home. In the rest of Europe the figure of 40% was cited for deaths outside of hospitals. That should give you an idea of the level of likely under-reporting in England.

    BTW, for those insistent that ‘it’s mostly flu’ and wrongly credited to Covid, we were expecting a serious flu season this year, following Australia’s experience (as Cargill pointed out, this is the best we have to go on for the strain and the severity in any particular year) but it didn’t materialise. No conspiracy theories required, this being a less excitable country, but the anticipated serious flu season didn’t happen to come about (it happens, thankfully…), despite the enthusiastic vaccination campaign in anticipation of it (still 100% voluntary, so no conspiracy theories required there either – and it’s only specifically advised for under-fives, over-65s, and those with asthma or other conditions likely to make them vulnerable).

  184. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 7:36 am #

    gustafson.robert.22

    “hospitals getting overloaded is a fair point supporting lockdown, though for me it seems like mild cases don’t need much medical attention, and many of the severe cases actually aren’t helped much by ventilators or anything else.”

    If I recall correctly, the figures observed early on in the UK suggested that 80% of people would get light symptoms, and 20% serious symptoms, with about 8% requiring hospitalisation and 2% requiring intensive care.

    Even if the total deaths (from proven cases) is 1% (I don’t know what it currently is) that means many of the sickest who went to hospital are still recovering. Whether you choose to treat them as individuals or as statistics will influence your view on whether the hospital effort overall is worthwhile. Which is different from suggesting that an 88-year-old in a care home, suffering from dementia (which 70% in care homes here are) should be sent to hospital for Covid treatment, which most doctors would not think was either sensible or kind.

  185. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 7:36 am #

    green alba,

    even if deaths are underreported, their underreporting doesn’t come close to underreporting of mild and asymptomatic cases, which turns out to be 50 times or so the former “confirmed cases” number after a thorough antibody test for the whole population.

    after which the fatality rate for infections falls to 0.5% or under, 95% of which reflect patients both over 60 yrs old and having underlying health preconditions.

    some underreporting of deaths won’t change these figures much.

  186. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 7:40 am #

    PS obviously you don’t want to leave people who have difficulty breathing, but it seems many die of hypoxia without breathlessness, and just slip away as they might with flu (known in previous times as ‘the old man’s friend’).

  187. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 7:44 am #

    hi green alba,

    this is not all just statistics to me, i am just on here for the chance to think about things analytically.

    I am a little skeptical myself about the amount of help hospitals actually offer in covid treatment and do wonder whether trying to recover at home in many cases might be just as good.

    cheers

  188. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 7:55 am #

    Gustafson

    “even if deaths are underreported, their underreporting doesn’t come close to underreporting of mild and asymptomatic cases, which turns out to be 50 times or so the former “confirmed cases” number after a thorough antibody test for the whole population.”

    I quite agree, but you can’t call it under-reporting in the same way if there’s no way of knowing.

    We simply don’t have widespread antibody testing here and neither has it been proved that existing antibody tests even work properly. The UK government ordered 3.5 million in the early days from somewhere else and they had to be chucked because they didn’t work.

    So while I totally agree that there have been many more cases than we know of (my husband, as a medic, said that as a ballpark figure we should multiply proven cases by 10 at the very start of the outbreak, we really don’t have enough information yet to put actual figures on it.

    We don’t know how long the antibodies last – if it’s only a month or two, even testing the entire population a month from now won’t give you an accurate result (not that it’s going to happen). Same with antigen testing, which only tells you what people have at one moment in time. A health worker can arrive at work testing negative and leave a few hours later infected. Or a care-home worker can leave a care home testing negative and arrive home infected after an hour on the bus. It’s about as useful as going on a date with someone who shows you a negative HIV result from a month ago – pretty meaningless.

    And the issue of total numbers of asymptomatic cases isn’t relevant to the way Covid wards operate, only the numbers of serious cases and the number of deaths.

    The thing is that the issue of ‘under-reporting’ of Covid cases in the community is being openly discussed all the time here, on the teevee, for instance, as a matter of course. It’s not being hidden because it’s an obvious issue. And, strictly speaking it’s only under-reporting if you know the figures, as in the case of care-home deaths in England which aren’t being included in the published tally.

  189. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 8:02 am #

    Hi again Gustafson!

    “I am a little skeptical myself about the amount of help hospitals actually offer in covid treatment and do wonder whether trying to recover at home in many cases might be just as good.”

    In most cases people who are pretty sick are currently recovering at home. They’re only taken into hospital if they’re struggling to breathe, on the whole, or have other obvious organ failure. The hospitals can’t currently ‘cure’ Covid – what they offer is support for your organs while your body tries to recover, with whatever marginal experimental medical therapies can be offered.

    Most people think it’s all about lungs. It mostly is, but about 20-25% of hospital Covid patients also suffer kidney failure, so dialysis machines are under pressure too. And you can’t get dialysis at home either.

    I don’t think we’re really on different sides – it’s just ways of looking at different issues.

  190. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 8:07 am #

    Green alba,

    yes you’re right “underreported” isn’t the right term for unrecorded mild cases. Germany, new york and los angeles county have done population sample antibody testing, and theyre getting new confirmed case numbers much higher than ten times the former…closer to 50 times.

    and the antibody tests when they come up positive are reliable. You’re right that negative antibody results don’t prove that person hasn’t had the virus before. So antibody tests may have misleading negative results but not misleading positive results.

  191. zone45 April 25, 2020 at 8:14 am #

    If you want to spend your time worrying about things,
    there is plenty more where the Covid came from.
    Think about Covid 69. The worse is yet to come.
    On the other hand, you could be getting your shit together.
    Take care of yourself, and say a prayer.
    Be nice to your loved ones and make the best of it.
    This will pass. It is just a sneeze in Eternity.

  192. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 8:19 am #

    don’t think anyone disagrees with zone45 :))

  193. thwack April 25, 2020 at 8:44 am #

    Regarding the chinese flugaloo, most of the so called experts are engaged in non stop equivocation and flip flopping.

    This guy is some retired former head of this or that Swedish government agency, adviser to the W.H.O, and just all around big brainiac… being interviewed about the Swedish strategy and the “lockdown” strategy by some Brit.

    The simplicity, and clarity of his answers are quite refreshing; so much so that his “yes” and “no” answers seem to catch the host off guard?

    He seems to be saying that the usual accounting tricks and double speak are not going to work on this virus and that in the end, all countries will end up with pretty much the same numbers of covid 19 deaths,

    Except Africa.

    what a fucking joke; ain’t no nursing homes in Africa?

    ain’t no old people in Africa?

    Its too hot for the flu.

    covid 19 ain’t got a chinamans chance against:

    typhus,

    malaria,

    cholera,

    HIV,

    ebola,

    So sorry Janos, this novel virus will only make niggers increase like white unemployment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY

  194. zone45 April 25, 2020 at 9:35 am #

    Jim must jumping for joy, now that his gloom and doom predictions have come home to roost.
    But guess what:
    It will make us stronger.

  195. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 9:38 am #

    Sunny, don’t drop out just because a few of the commentators don’t agree with your posts. This is an interesting site. Grow a thicker skin and soldier on, my friend. You make good points and I for one admire your optimistic spiritual outlook on life

    And what’s happened to K-Dog? Not only has he gone dark in CFNation, but his own site seems to be inactive. Maybe just taking a break, attending to more practical matters … like staying alive in these Days of the Plague.

    Brh

  196. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 9:51 am #

    Agreed, Gustafson – re your last post!

    But again, even if there are 50 times as many cases that we don’t know about, what affects managing the hospital load (and the famous curve) is still the serious cases – numbers rather than percentages.

  197. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 9:57 am #

    brh

    “And what’s happened to K-Dog? ”

    I had a look on K-Dog’s site a day or two ago and there seemed to be short updates during April – they’re further down than the last main article, from what I recall.

    There’s been nothing from Volodya since this started. Maybe people are prioritising!

  198. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 10:06 am #

    enjoyed thwack’s posted video. Very interesting, deep-diving interview with prominant swedish epidemiologist with all the right challenging questions asked, and sincerely responded to.

  199. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 11:12 am #

    Agreed – interesting interview, although I’d heard him interviewed on Newsnight already, albeit not at such length.

    Interesting point made in passing that when we get proper antibody testing (which we absolutely don’t have yet in the UK) those medical staff who’ve had it already won’t need quite the same level of PPE in order to work (assuming people don’t get it again, which seems to be a moot point still). That would be useful, given PPE is running out somewhere every other day. And that Boris’s dozy Brexit-obsessed government turned down multiple invitations from the EU to be part of a pan-EU procurement effort. It was more important to them to look as if they were doing everything themselves, in plucky Blitz spirit.

    I happened to notice a poster below the video commenting that the Nightingale hospitals, which haven’t been heavily used because of the lockdown, were a waste of money, when in fact all the beds and equipment are going to be distributed to normal NHS hospitals after the pandemic is over, so not that much of a waste.

  200. elysianfield April 25, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

    “So antibody tests may have misleading negative results but not misleading positive results.”

    Gustav,
    It has been suggested that the positive results are accurate, but at testing what, exactly? Are you prepared to say that it is Covid-19 specific?

  201. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    Green Alba: The perfect is the enemy of the good. By trying to stamp out this virus, you are going to stamp out our civil rights. Because the virus can’t be stamped out, so they will keep on stamping, testing, (every day?), tracking, encouraging people to snitch on other people (like DeBlasio has), sticking (with needles), and chipping.

    Surely, you’ve noticed the utter joy of the reporters slavering over the fresh meat of human tragedy. They are the Ones with Messages from on high. Messengers from the Gods! You don’t think this is a dream come true for the Global Elite? They’ve been plotting something like this for decades if not generations. Their calculations have been wildly off base again and again. It doesn’t matter. They don’t care. These kind of people don’t apologize. What they care about is the public obeying no matter how dismal their track record. Alas, I don’t think they’ve been disappointed.

  202. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

    Thwack! Are you the Thwack in JHK’s new book?

    Thwack! Are Blacks really weaker than Whites in their resistance to this disease? Or is it just Blacks being Blacks and shit. Not following protocols. Being fat like Fat Albert….

  203. malthuss April 25, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

    Green Alba, how much did M Oldfield get cheated by his label?

  204. malthuss April 25, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    Janos, go to you tube….Jeff Berwicks latest talks.

  205. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

    Walt Whitman’s Caution.

    TO The States, or any one of them, or any city of The
    States, Resist much, obey little;
    Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved;
    Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city, of this earth,
    ever afterward resumes its liberty.

    Anyone disagree that Americans have bowed down to this hysteria like sheep? Think things will ever be allowed to return to normal? Why would they? Tyrants love tyranny. If they can forbid large public gatherings, they will always mandate that. They have us wearing masks for god’s sake. Just like the Manchus made Chinese men wear a pigtail as a mark of submission. Basically we’ve been reduced the status of Muslim women. Just call it hijab and be done with it.

  206. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

    Janos

    My conclusion from reading your comments and others’ on here is that your media and your population are way more sensationalist (on one side or the other of any issue) than are ours. This seems to be the case during pandemics or outside of them. So I’m not seeing anyone in snitching mode or in gleeful mode here, because I’m lucky enough to live somewhere reasonable and rational where people generally currently seem to be exhibiting an enormous amount of goodwill.

    You forget that, as the interviewer in Thwack’s linked clip pointed out very clearly, the British public is solidly behind the lockdown, which is not the case over your way. Perhaps that’s to do with the slightly harsher consequences over your way. Obviously they don’t want it to last forever and neither to I. I’d hope for a gradual relaxation starting in a couple of weeks (with all the provisos mentioned by the Swedish chap).

    You don’t think this is a dream come true for the Global Elite? They’ve been plotting something like this for decades if not generations. Their calculations have been wildly off base again and again. It doesn’t matter. They don’t care.

    As it happens, I don’t. Nor do I equate public health officials generally, even if they’ve made a decision that turns out not to have been the best, as Prof. Giesicke believes, with the Global Elite. I leave that for the tinfoil hat brigade.

    If you listened to the interview, you may have noticed that the professor (perhaps I’m mistakenly calling him professor, but anyway…) mentioned the draconian measures taken in some places (mostly China, and other places of less democratic hue) and gave a special mention to the fact that Viktor Orban has pretty much been enabled by this to become dictator for life.

    Every cloud has a silver lining, wouldn’t you say, for someone of your persuasion?

    For myself, I am rather more worried about the involvement – at any level – of Huawei (and therefore the Chinese government) in the UK’s 5g plans – a decision made by our blond prat-in-chief – than I am about this pandemic response having any lasting effect on British democracy (which already has caveats).

    Likewise that’s my main issue with 5g per se, not some complete crackpots thinking it’s implicated in causing Covid19.

  207. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

    Hopefully Kdog realized that he disgraced himself in his hysteria about Trump murdering millions. He just lost it completely. High IQ is useless unless you use it. He refused to do so and he was as wrong as wrong can be.

    Trump hasn’t shined in all this. Nor has the grotesque CDC or the tools Fauci and Birx.

    I give him high marks for his openness to trying different things though. And contrary to Carguille, chemotherapy does work by destroying cells. Life is war. It is that simple in essence. Trump was merely using lysol killing it on surfaces as a symbol of that function, and wondering if something could be found to do the same inside the body.

  208. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

    And I agree that the perfect is the enemy of the good. Every essay I ever wrote that was procrastinated over for weeks and then written the night before it was due in taught me that decades ago.

  209. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

    Green Alba: Yes, believing you have freedom is the sure sign you have already lost it. It’s never granted – it’s taken.

    Hungary is saved then. Ruled by a Wise Despot. The White birthrate is already starting to come up thanks to tax breaks and other forms of encouragement to young couples.

    To be clear, I’m speaking to high IQ people like the ones on this blog in all that I say. That includes you. For the average person, I have nothing to say. The best thing they can do is following their leaders. That’s why it is such a savage betrayal when their Shepherds take off their sheepskins to reveal themselves to be literal wolves.

  210. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    hi elysianfield,

    its a good question. Im convinced these antibody studies are accurate enough in terms of minimal false positives. Here is a new york times article discussing an evaluation of 14 available antibody tests. The worst one yielded just 16% false positives, the best close to 1%.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests.amp.html

    but even at 16% max false positives, this is not very significant in terms of calculating the deathrate when the test is showing an order of magnitude difference of around 50 times lower after the antibody test.

    that level of error might be significant if we need to know immunity beyond shadow of a doubt, but is not significant to calculate a 30-55 times increase in confirmed infections (la county study range , allowing for test error)

  211. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    London is mostly non-British. What kind of freedom is that? They’ve been conquered already, now it’s just a matter of time until they’re a despised minority.

    In the Twin Cities, the Call to Prayer is going to be played every day during Ramadan. That’s Minnesota. We’re not that far behind.

  212. gustafson.robert.22 April 25, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

    Basically theres no chance that these recalculated deathrate statistics to well below 1% can be that far off. again, somewhere in the range of 30- 55 times, which is just as significant on the low end as the high end.

  213. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

    Daily Mail

    Bill Gates on Thursday compared COVID-19 to World War Two and said ‘it’s impossible to overstate the pain’ that will be felt for ‘years to come’.

    The billionaire philanthropist detailed how ‘the first modern pandemic‘ will define a generation in a lengthy memo posted online.

    He wrote: ‘This is like a world war, except in this case, we’re all on the same side.

    ‘It is impossible to overstate the pain that people are feeling now and will continue to feel for years to come.’

    Microsoft co-founder Gates and his wife Melinda have already donated around $45 billion towards vaccination research to tackle pandemics through their foundation.

    Gates said in his post: ‘Melinda and I grew up learning that World War II was the defining moment of our parents’ generation. In a similar way, the COVID-19 pandemic—the first modern pandemic—will define this era.

    ‘No one who lives through Pandemic 1 will ever forget it.’

    Describing how society will comeback from lockdowns Gates said to ‘picture restaurants that only seat people at every other table and airplanes where every middle seat is empty’.

    He warned: ‘If in the spring of 2021 people are going to big public events—like a game or concert in a stadium—it will be because we have a miraculous treatment that made people feel confident about going out again.

    ‘Schools are open, but you can’t fill a stadium with 70,000 people.

    ‘People are working some and spending some of their earnings, but not as much as they were before the pandemic. In short, times are abnormal but not as abnormal as during the first phase.’

    But he did offer reason for optimism, writing: ‘During World War II, an amazing amount of innovation, including radar, reliable torpedoes, and code-breaking, helped end the war faster. This will be the same with the pandemic.’

    Gates, who said lockdowns have saved millions of lives, has been outspoken throughout the outbreak.

    In March he urged the public to practice social distancing and pleaded for Donald Trump to implement a country-wide shutdown as he predicted that COVID-19 cases would peak in late April.

    Anglin: As you can see, for some reason, Bill Gates knows exactly how the world will look in the future.

    He knows how restaurants and airplanes will operate, and he knows that unless he offers you a vaccine, you won’t be allowed to go to a game or concert in a stadium.

    How he knows all of this stuff and why is he so obsessed with vaccinating people is anyone’s guess.

    JS: We need that miracle in order to go to ball games and concerts again or to fill up bars and restaurants. Luckily, he’s gonna produce that rabbit out of his magic hat. Why, I bet he already has it and just wants us to really beg!

    This is just Pandemic 1 though. Obviously they plan more of the same. How did we ever make it this long without guys like Bill – a good friend of Jeff Epstein by the way.

    In WW1 or right afterwards, did anyone call it World War ONE? You only call something One when there’s more than One, right? So why is he calling it Pandemic 1?

  214. capt spaulding April 25, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

    Just read that drinking Lysol is not recommended, but a good old fashioned Clorox enema is just the thing to make shit happen.

  215. JohnAZ April 25, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

    GA

    You mentioned under reporting Covid deaths.

    I look back on the days of bad flu epidemics. The flu was hardly ever mentioned as cause of death. It was always the problem the mostly older people had that is the cause of death, most notably Congestive heart failure and pneumonia.

    My point is trying to compare Corona to influenza is a meaningless exercise. And in the end, what difference does it make except to feed the merchants of the blame game.

    Corona has scared the world because the huge increase in indulged people just expect everything to go their way. These gimmes are petrified by the idea that something might be out of their control.

    The crisis is here. How people react to it sets up the beginning of the High of the next saeculum. I hope folks toughen up a little.

    Can you imagine the reaction of today’s people to losing 4000+ people on D-day?

  216. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mister-rogers-encouraged-gay-costar-225857027.html

    He wanted Clemmson to be a closeted Gay Man with a beard just like him! Those were the days! Mr Rogers instituted the “down low” for Blacks. What a monster!

  217. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    John AZ: In the opening battles of WW1, England lost 50,000 a day. The Generals kept saying, Count again. That can’t be right.

    They underestimated the power of modern weaponry. Surely the Germans were losing similar numbers. Don’t know if they were surprised though.

    The flower of English Manhood died in muddy fields, charging machine gun nests with their pathetic spears (bayonets) that a Gaulish Warrior would have sneered at.

    But it was all worth it. Ask BRH. They had to save the World from something? They didn’t have their Ideology up to snuff yet so they would just say the Bosch or the Huns. Too bad the Germans weren’t even threatening them…..

  218. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

    I’ll have you know that I’ve been to MANY countries on this planet and in everyone of them I’ve found people that speak with an accent, while I don’t have one – at ALL!

    LOL. Kiwi-speak would be tolerable if you put some vowels back into all the words that require them, and having done so, pronounced ’em proper!

    For those not aware, when Darwin was handing out the linguistic tools, he got a bit offset down in Kiwiland (NZ, Aotearoa, Land of the Long White Cloud).

    So pat is pronounced “pet”
    And pet is pronounced “pit”
    And pit is pronounced “putt”
    And putt is like “pet” but not really
    And pot is like “pot” in Australia (short, not like Yank-speak “paaat”)

    So to say “Majella” in her home-town, think “M’jilluh” – or thereabouts.

    Whereas Educated Australian – such as that spoken by yours truly here – has become the standard English of the Anglophone media world, pretty much.

    That’s why a disproportionate number of CNN newsreaders (Michael Holmes, Rosemary Church, Anna Coren, John Vause …) are all good little Aussies with perfect diction, and clearly understood by everyone around the world.

    Not surprisingly, even Rupert Murdoch couldn’t find any Aussies stupid enough or greedy enough to work for Fox!

    It’s interesting how regional accents in America are pretty-much suppressed in the media – Western slouch, Southern drawl, New York mongrel … very rare, although Wolf Blitzer and Chris Cuomo have a bit of the Bronx in their style.

  219. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

    That’s an interesting quote from Bill Gates.

    I don’t have anything against the guy, but it interesting just last week he closed on a $43 million beachfront house in San Diego. And it’s also interesting that the elitist who flog global warming and sea level rise the hardest — Obama, John Kerry, Al Gore, Biden and Gates, to name a few — all own expensive seaside homes.

    What do you make of it?

    Brh

  220. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

    JohnAZ

    “You mentioned under reporting Covid deaths.

    “I look back on the days of bad flu epidemics. The flu was hardly ever mentioned as cause of death. It was always the problem the mostly older people had that is the cause of death, most notably Congestive heart failure and pneumonia.”

    I agree. I presume that’s why the estimates of the global death toll vary within such an enormous range. Such things were almost always under-reported at the time, especially in countries with rudimentary healthcare systems (and, in the case of ‘Spanish’ flu, trying not to give comfort to their enemies!).

    I suspect all the counting is just part of our normal effort to feel in control. People always feel that being able to count things gives them some control. It’s a displacement therapy!

    At the end of the day, what matters at the sharp end is how many people are arriving in ambulances and how much PPE is available for those taking care of them.

    That could have been made less traumatic. We’ve got people waiting desperately for shipments that are promised from e.g. Turkey, Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday… with health workers being told to wash single-use items or ‘make them last’. The concept of stockpiles was abandoned long ago. One government pol the other day actually said the words ‘we put our trust in supply lines’ – as an excuse rather than an apology – which has also been the strategy espoused by the Brexit ideologues, rather than any kind of aim of greater self-sufficiency.

  221. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

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    JS: Thanks Don, but I’ll pass until you build the fucking wall and stop allowing illegal immigrants to take our blue collar jobs and legal immigrants to take our white collar jobs. Melania’s cool except when she’s squabbling about getting first dibs on exposure with photo ops with little Black African kids. Other than that, great. Great vampire voice, too.

  222. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

    BRH: They love the Sea! America like Britain before us, is a Sea Power! That’s how they got rich, thru trade and piracy be it liquor, slaves, oil, or opium.

    Russia is a land power. Only they can be trusted (a bit anyway – if you don’t live right next to them that is!). Earth is not as mobile as water. China intends to be the next great Sea Power. I don’t see how to stop them. How does it feel to be replaced? I know you identify with these creeps on some level. But you yourself seem of the Land. Strange!

  223. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

    Call to Prayer broadcast across Minneapolis for the duration of Ramadan! Isn’t that the same city that banned Christmas Carols from a Protestant church at Christmas a few years ago?

    Brh

  224. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

    Janos, what creeps?

    Every once in awhile you like to bust my b#lls, and this is one of those times. It comes out of the blue.

    Brh

  225. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    He knows how restaurants and airplanes will operate, and he knows that unless he offers you a vaccine, you won’t be allowed to go to a game or concert in a stadium.

    You don’t have to be a rocket scientist – or even a tech billionaire – to know that restaurants will have fewer tables per square metre, and planes will fly with the middle seats empty … both of these things are occurring now (certainly in Australia they are).

    And I fully expect that certain behaviours will change in the future, just as JHK preaches about twice a week (do you actually read the essay?). So you will need proof of vaccination, or proof of being non-infectious, prior to entering a workplace, church, theatre, sports stadium, Las Vegas casino.

    It could be the way of the future, and we need to toughen up and not be crybabies about it, or desperately clutch at every conspiracy nutter, so as to make all the nasty bogeymen go away.

    Anglin: As you can see, for some reason, Bill Gates knows exactly how the world will look in the future.

    Not surprising – Bill Gates is a total genius – he is utterly exceptional … and he has a lot of resources available to him, and a lot of brilliant minds willing and eager to brief him. We should be grateful for the effort he puts in, and not slur him the way that filth Anglin does.

    And calling it Pandemic 1 is quite clever, and makes total sense on several levels. That’s your homework … to think it through. Test on Monday.

  226. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

    “A McMedia narrative, based on what Himself said, live on TV.”

    —————————————————————————–

    Yes, Maj. The Pres. told everyone to inject Lysol into their veins.

    That time of the month again?

    https://i.imgflip.com/2u4cdm.jpg

  227. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    I don’t have anything against the guy, but it interesting just last week he closed on a $43 million beachfront house in San Diego. And it’s also interesting that the elitist who flog global warming and sea level rise the hardest — Obama, John Kerry, Al Gore, Biden and Gates, to name a few — all own expensive seaside homes.

    What do you make of it?

    Not surprising … beachside and ski lodge are the most desirable holiday homes, and most people who can afford them can also afford to lose them. And anyway, most expensive beachside property is still several metres above the high water mark.

    Plus your list is a bunch of bright guys, or they have bright advisers … they know that serious sea level rise is decades away … past their use-by dates. Except for the barrier islands and Miami Beach … where even at high tide now there is flooding in the beach-side streets. Amazing stuff.

  228. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

    Guile: The Satanists seem to have some bizarre ethic where they feel the they have to show signs of what they intend to do. This alleviates any faint pangs of of conscience they might otherwise feel. Thus 9/11 was indicated in a number of films in years prior to 9/11 and in some printed media as well. Here by saying Pandemic 1, Gates is indicating that they are going to be bombing us again and again in the future.

    From their pov, if we’re too stupid to get it, it’s on us. Also it could be a magical technique that in their minds, paves the way for the actual act or event. As a group, they are very interested in Occultism.

    You hate Anglin because he Sees you people for what you are: Destroyers of our Race and Culture. Btw, he knows we’ve lost politically, certainly as White Nationalists and now probably even as Civic Nationalists. Trump is actively failing us in both regards. Thus he is turning more and more to Christianity. And this will make you hate even more, I know.

  229. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

    “Cargill and Majella have driven me away from this site. I am tired of listening to a couple of leftist shrills.”

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sun, come on now. Last week Cargill was talking about Trump being Hitler again, and Maj is convinced the President of the United States wants people to inject Lysol into their veins and drink pond cleaner.

    Where are you going to find comedy like this? Be real.

    Its like stories from The Onion.com brought to life. The comment section is off the hook!

  230. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

    BRH: I have nothing against the guy (Gates). What a bozo sentiment. Are you not paying attention? He’s behind this terror attack to take away our rights and sovereignty. At least he’s the public face of it, the tip of the spear. More shadowy and powerful figures are behind him of course.

    But he’s up there, has acculturated and has their confidence. Idiots were saying things like, He’s not a doctor. He didn’t finish college. He didn’t have to: He’s a fucking genius – a Bad One.

  231. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 2:23 pm #

    BRH: Ok, defend WW1. Hint: No one does. It was an unspeakable disaster for the West. A grand Civil War. But of course you’re great Grandfather “served” or something, right? So that makes it hunky dory.

  232. JohnAZ April 25, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

    GA

    One lesson I hope nations have learned is if you have a critical item that you may need, you better be able to make it yourself. PPE is just one example. When you are dependent on another country for anything, you are subject to their priorities. Or even their animosity. I the US, or Australia, or Scotland or anyone depend on China for much of anything in the future, they deserve to go down.

    If Trump goes in November, I hope he can do something about moving security items back to the US before the China lover gets in there.

    C’mon man, they can’t do anything to us. Uh, Joe, they just did.

  233. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

    I leave that for the tinfoil hat brigade. – GA

    ========

    Google tells me tinfoil has not been manufactured since just after WW2. It’s been all aluminum foil since then yet we continue to say tinfoil. Maybe it’s because aluminum has too many syllables?

  234. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

    Janos

    102 years after the fact, it seems like you’re put out because the AEF crushed the German Imperial Army. The Kaiser should have paid better attention to the American Civil War … to the efficacy northern Artillery and southern Infantry. That’s what broke up the mighty German Army.

    If I’m not mistaken it was Germany who started the Great War, in 1914. We didn’t get into it in a big way until June, 1918, showing up just in time to save the day. At any rate, something tells me if you around back then you wouldn’t be rooting for the home team.

    Brh

  235. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm #

    Q – indeed. Old habits die hard. We still talk about lead pencils too and there’s no lead in them.

    I checked my various packs of ‘tinfoil’ and they all say ‘kitchen foil’, so I can’t blame it on the manufacturers.

    I still ‘hoover’ my rugs too, but with a (bagless) Dyson (another hypocrite, who pushed Brexit but has his production operations in Malaysia).

  236. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

    And it’s aluminium. 🙂

    You say tomaytoes…

  237. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 2:55 pm #

    Oops. Italicsitis… An italicised smiley looks pissed (drunk, not annoyed…).

  238. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 3:05 pm #

    One lesson I hope nations have learned is if you have a critical item that you may need, you better be able to make it yourself. PPE is just one example.

    Totally agree, JohnAZ. It’s what annoys me about the Johnson government’s view of Brexit. Mine would involve greater self-sufficiency (with planning for it starting a couple of decades ago) – theirs just imagines more exotic supply lines with cheaper imports, undercutting our own farmers just for starters.

    Sorry for seeming to shoehorn Brexit into this, but it’s entirely relevant to me. I want to see more of our medications made here too, but it’s not going to happen.

    There’s an amusing (crowdfunded) bunch called #LedByDonkeys – an allusion to something said about our WW1 generals, I believe – that put up massive billboard posters during the Brexit campaign, which quoted things said by Brexit leaders before and during the campaign which they’d rather we didn’t remember.

    My favourite is the one by ‘Economists for Brexit’, which says ‘Over time, if we leave the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing. But this shouldn’t scare us’.

    https://i2-prod.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article15920948.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_TMP_NEC_040319BrexitBillboardGV01JPG.jpg

    Really? It scares me.

  239. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

    BRH: England didn’t have to get into it. And we didn’t have to get into it even if they did. Dominoes, one knocking down the next until utter Tragedy.

    Nothing personal, I just want to knock your block off as you would feign do mine. Post-mortem, I will visit you in Valhalla, and we can hack each other to pieces and then reconstitute with no harm done. But you see, this isn’t There, and War causes much harm Here. I know that’s hard for you since you love war so much. Robert E Lee shyly wrote to another General how they had to hide their love of War from the public in a Christian society.

    Here to show you that there’s no hard feelings: a post from one David Lord anent the Papal Zouaves. I know you love history, especially when personalized like he does here.

    The Papal Forces! Oh to return to those Glorious Days, so foreign to the ‘modern” mind! One American that served was the infamous John Surrat, Son of Mary Surrat, wrongly convicted and executed for allegedly being part of the Lincoln assassination plot,It was alleged however, that John was an intimate of Booth and was involved, so he fled to Europe. Another was Miles Keogh, Captain in the ill fated 7th Cavalry, who died with Custer at the Little Bighorn in June of 1876. Reputedly, Captain Keogh was wearing his Papal decorations and the symbols were considered big medicine to the Indians, therefore his body was not mutilated as were most of the dead of Custers command! One of the opponents of the Church, also serving with Custer was a Lieutenant DeRudio, an Italian and Mason who abandoned his faith and barely escaped execution in Italy. He emigrated to England and married, then went to America and joined the Cavalry, ending up with Custer, again escaping death by allegedly hiding in brush after the rest of Custers command were massacred. Amazing!

  240. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

    BRH: I have nothing against the guy (Gates). What a bozo sentiment. Are you not paying attention? He’s behind this terror attack to take away our rights and sovereignty.

    Don’t you just love it when one part of the loopy right screams blue murder when one of their own says something sensible, let alone truthful? Their heads explode!

    And the cooler heads just buy popcorn and watch. Gates made a lot of money doing very dodgy stuff, and stealing the work of others. Okay – no-one ever said getting rich was a nice clean thing … but at least Gates is assuaging his guilt via his foundation.

    But the loopy right – devoid of an ethical base or moral compass – cannot conceive of anyone spending large amounts of cash for philanthropical reasons, or their legacy.

  241. stelmosfire April 25, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

    “Tinfoil” I wish I could find some for my preps Q. It works in a pinch for dental caries. A dash of clove oil and a packing and your good to go.

  242. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 3:26 pm #

    I give him high marks for his openness to trying different things though. Trump was merely using lysol killing it on surfaces as a symbol of that function, and wondering if something could be found to do the same inside the body. – Janos at 12:40 pm

    ===========

    Janos, you are developing a serious case of flip-flop-itis. Back in 2015-2016 you placed a jeweled gold crown on Trump’s head. When he failed to build ‘the wall’ and got too chummy with the Jews you did a 180. Now I detect you are slowly returning to a pro-Trump stance.

    I watched and read everything that exists on Lysol-gate and I’m totally convinced “Trump was merely using..etc. etc.” is a completely inaccurate description of what transpired. Nor was Trump cleverly setting up the reporters to make fools of themselves.

    Trump stared straight at Dr. Shawl Woman (lmao when you invented this term) and delivered his insane suggestion. Ms Shawl averted her eyes and squirmed in disbelief at what she was hearing. I was praying (metaphorically) that she would lift her head and say “Mr. President, this is a joke, right? You’re practicing a new stand up routine for after next January when you go back to your civilian TV role, RIGHT??”

  243. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 3:31 pm #

    Majella, the media did in fact act as if people were going to inject themselves with lysol after hearing Trumps comments. Nancy Pelosi actually specifically said that Trump directed people to inject lysol into their lungs. So I do say sorry but totally fake news. And that doesn’t mean I have realigned myself with Trump. As far as I’m concerned he can pound sand after his fake immigration moratorium.

  244. thwack April 25, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

    Thwack! Are you the Thwack in JHK’s new book?

    Thwack! Are Blacks really weaker than Whites in their resistance to this disease? Or is it just Blacks being Blacks and shit. Not following protocols. Being fat like Fat Albert….

    *******************

    Janos, you and a lot of other white people are going to find out all you wanna know about black people as you under go the current process of niggerization, brought to you by your globalist handlers.

    I kinda feel bad for white people because its really confusing to be harmed and abused through no fault of your own. I guess you people will just hafta learn how to sell drugs, eat shitty food, rob people, shoot each other over nothing, have bastard children, hang out in front of the liquor store…

    Smoke Newports… get stopped and questioned by the police for nothing…

    Ive seen more white porch monkeys in the last 30 days than I have in my entire life?

    That white guy in Canada WANTED to do a mass shooting; but he couldn’t find a mass of people due to the lockdown; so he went on a 12 hour drive by shooting!

    lol

    Ive seen more white porch monkeys in the last 30 days than I have in my entire life?

    and this was just a test run.

    Regarding black peoples resistance to disease?

    SOMETHING put black people on the planet, and I have every confidence that what ever that thing is; it will keep us here (despite your best efforts)

  245. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

    “Trump stared straight at Dr. Shawl Woman … Ms Shawl averted her eyes and squirmed in disbelief at what she was hearing. I was praying (metaphorically) that she would lift her head and say “Mr. President, this is a joke, right? You’re practicing a new stand up routine for after next January when you go back to your civilian TV role, RIGHT??””

    Exactly, Q. Unequivocally. But don’t tell You Know Who, as it will take the ground from under his feet. It would be cruel. He BELIEVES. He thinks this is Trump doing his Amazingly Effective and Deliberate Troll routine.

  246. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 3:43 pm #

    Alba its interesting that you point out my flip flop on the virus. Its true. What would you like me to say? But its super funny because I clearly recall your big flip flop on it too. Remember in January where all I did was talk about it and yep I was worried it was a leaked bioweapon. I recall you telling me several times to essentially calm down and relax because if it was nothing and even if it was so what basically. So sue me for the concern. However, as time has marched on I see many factors that tell me there is much more going on than meets the eye with this whole thing and in fact the models of infection and death were high and overdone. So I have evolved on the topic. Would you besmirch me for evolving? I thought you were a champion of evolution! And look at how worried about the virus you are now. You have evolved too.

  247. K-Dog April 25, 2020 at 3:44 pm #

    ‘What’s happened to K-Dog? Not only has he gone dark in CFNation, but his own site seems to be inactive.’

    Yes I have gone dark. I’m busy. But I did just post an update. Covid has not got me yet.

    I am ‘lernin 2 code’ between injecting a certain orange voodoo doll with lysol using a syringe. I put a mask on it to stifle the screams.

  248. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

    Q: Can you not like some things about a person or what they say at least and not like other aspect or things that they say? Why then do you deny the same complexity to me? Did you already forget how I lambasted him higher up on this very page? Shame on you.

  249. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

    I don’t want to besmirch you, SSL, but you have to admit that the change was gobsmacking.

    I was referring to your paranoia in January. I’m not currently paranoid. I am perfectly open to agreeing with the good Swedish professor, and I’m certainly not freaking out the way your were in January. I’m taking in the information, which is, exactly as I told you in January, that I’m at immeasurably more risk than you (both physiologically and because I live with a medic using inadequate PPE) and yet you were freaking out exponentially, despite being young. I tried to tell you nicely that you and your children had virtually nothing to worry about and urged you to stop fretting.

    I think you should calm down about the conspiracy theories too, but I doubt you will, so I’ll leave you to it. You like paranoia. I like caution and medics being protected. You don’t send soldiers into battle without the necessary hardware. And I won’t be getting on any buses any time soon. That’s not paranoia, it’s evidence-based sense, at my age.

  250. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

    Thwack! I trusted you would see thru this scam and so you have. Hans Eyesenck found a strong correlation between creative genius (emphasis on the word creative) and irascibility. One must be able to destroy a paradigm before one can create! Shiva must work with Brahma. Our fellow progressives here are mostly White Sheep. Thus they will be ruled with a rod of iron. They are already wearing hijabs!

    I tried to teach my mother chess as she was dying of cancer. She had always wanted to learn. Didn’t go that well – she didn’t have the killer instinct. And that’s fine for a woman, but a man? Not so much.

    Post-mortem, let’s meet in Valhalla. I want to put you to rest. Then you can go back to your Ooga-Booga, Soul Train, Afro-Sheen, Heaven. There will be Whites there – it will be their Hell. Economy!

  251. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 4:00 pm #

    Cargill

    The Koch bros. have made many philanthropical donations — big ones — but it never seems to buy them much love.

    Hey, stimulus checks must have arrived. Local news says all surrounding Walmarts have sold out of flat screen TVs.

    Brh

  252. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 4:02 pm #

    Retired Russian Intelligence Officer. Says exactly what Akmo and I have been saying. Talks about the Economy – says exactly what Mr Kunstler has bee saying. The bubble has to be deflated and this is going help them save their asses and assets while staying in control. Says what I implied: the Zionists are down with this all the way. What can I say but great minds think alike.

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=NKOOA8R74K35

  253. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

    Actually the buses are currently quite safe around here, as there’s often only one person on the bus with you, apart from the driver. My husband has got one a few times late at night to come home from the hospital.

    But once the lockdown’s over (which, like you, I hope will be sooner rather than later) I won’t be going near them until there’s a vaccine, which ain’t going to happen this year.

    But I have acquired some cotton masks, which, as a said recently, you could be making a fortune from, with your skills. Ten an hour I’d have thought! Mine came from a nice young woman in Lithuania, but my elastic, aluminium bridge thingies and other stuff are almost all here from Amazon so I can go into production myself for friends and family. 🙂

  254. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 4:31 pm #

    Zone45 mentions the specter of Covid-69.

    Spanish flu 1920

    Hong Kong Flu 1969

    Covid 19 (Asoka flu) 2020

    Yup, about every 50 years we get hit, Covid 69 will fall right into place.

    After the Black Plague burned out in Europe in 1350, it lingered … for another 550 years. Every century there were outbreaks, the worst being England 1666: 675,000 dead. Epidemiologists didn’t figure out what caused the plague until 1897.

    Brh

  255. restless94110 April 25, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

    Perhaps I missed it in your essay. Did you mention that the cure for the China virus is zinc + hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin?

    If not, why not? This combo has a 100 percent cure rate. Why not mention it? Because TDS?

    I sincerely want to understand why you would not use your popular platform to promote the cure for Corona virus.

    But I don’t really care why, so long as you start promoting it today. You will save lives, James.

  256. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

    Incidentally, how to you pronounce ‘Hugh’? I’m guessing it’s not ‘Hoo’. – Green Alba

    ============

    Oh, what fun it is discussing pronunciation. You’re right, I do not say ‘Hoo’ for Hugh…………. nor do I say ‘pook’ for puke.

  257. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 4:54 pm #

    Had one too many martinis and pooked up my lunch… hahaha

  258. JohnAZ April 25, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

    Cargill

    Re. Gates

    I read John D. Rockefeller’s biography, Tycoon. Long, long read. He actually wanted to give away most of his fortune as he aged, probably a guilty conscience. He hired and fired financial guys because they could not donate fast enough. His fortune made money faster than they could give it away.

    Restless

    The cure, preventative for Covid is Marlin Williams’ immunological orange smoothies. Let us get that straight.

    Trump threw a straw man onto the table with his Lysol comment. That is a totally off the wall proposal thrown out for people to stick pins into to try to get people to think outside the box. Conversely, I do wish he would not do it on national TV. There are too many idiots out there that would swallow, breathe in or inject Lysol because the President said so. Yeah, like the guy here in Phoenix that took the aquarium cleaner with his wife. The potential stupidity of the American public just simply astounds me at times. Methinks Trump has too high an opinion.

    What he was trying to say was, is there something that can kill the virus that we can just spray or swallow in? That can kill the virus in one minute and not hurt the normal cells. It is good he is not a doctor!

  259. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 5:02 pm #

    Flynn exoneration incoming:

    https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1253868533580279809

    Judge Sullivan is going to be furious. Mueller, Weissman, Van Grack, and co. should be disbarred and tossed in prison.

    Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted on another Clinton- and Fusion GPS-driven fraud.

    Twatter has even shadowbanned the General’s lawyer, Sidney Powell.

    REEEEEEEEEE!

  260. Majella April 25, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

    Nightowl
    April 25, 2020 at 2:05 pm #
    “A McMedia narrative, based on what Himself said, live on TV.”

    —————————————————————————–

    Yes, Maj. The Pres. told everyone to inject Lysol into their veins.

    That time of the month again?

    Okay – brass tacks time, Herr Selbstgefällig – please point me at JUST ONE article where it is falsely claimed that Himself “told everyone to inject Lysol into their veins”. Your claim of distortion in the ‘McMedia’ relies on this proof.

    Hurry up!

  261. GreenAlba April 25, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

    restless

    “If not, why not? This combo has a 100 percent cure rate. Why not mention it? Because TDS?”

    No, because not true.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/22/trump-hydroxychloroquine-study-coronavirus

    “Trump stops hyping hydroxychloroquine after study shows no benefit.”

    So definitely not TDS.

    “An analysis showed that nearly a third of veterans at US military hospitals died when treated with hydroxychloroquine, a greater fraction than patients who received standard treatment.”

    So, yeah. Best not to listen to the first story you hear.

  262. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

    Q, the pool hall in the next town over has a snooker table and were 250+ miles from the Canadian border. – stelmo, 4/24 at 7:59 pm

    ===========

    OK, but that pool room is owned by a relative of Boris Johnson, is it not? 😉

    You’re in CT aren’t you? or is it MA?

  263. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 5:11 pm #

    “Covid has not got me yet.”

    —————————————-

    Congrats, you are part of the 99.9%!

    https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law

    You can take the mask off now.

  264. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 5:28 pm #

    Two medical professionals hold a press conference and destroy the McMedia’s politically driven COVID narrative. Complete with Media Ghoul question and answer session.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=emb_logo

    “Millions will die.” LOL.

  265. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

    Is Joe Biden still running for President?

    Election is little more than 6 months away, you’d think he’d make an appearance here or there … Even a ribbon cutting ceremony at a local dog park opening, something, anything to get him out there, to let us know he is still amongst the living.

    “Roll on, November”.-Cargill

    Ahhahahahahahahaha!

    Brh

  266. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

    Q was a Master of Pool, but also Snooker? I don’t know and will hopefully never know. It suffices to know that he snookered people in some kind of betting or wagering pool; a pyramid scheme perhaps. – Janos, 4/24 at 7:30 pm

    ============

    Master of Pool?? I see, Janos, that you have taken Dale Carnegie’s advice to ‘give a person a reputation to live up to.’ Perhaps I have bragged excessively. I would count myself, back in the day, as a better than average tavern 8 Ball player in Middlesex County, NJ. I can recall being mortified to be repeatedly whupped by a Korean medical doctor (how the frig, I wondered, does a doctor find the time to be THIS good at pool?) But, as to Snoooooker, no, I have never actually played the game. I DID take a few shots on one of those huge tables in Pembroke, Canada back in the mid ’50s. I would have been 14, 15, 16 years old.

    And where do you get the idea that I scammed people in some betting scheme. Surely you understand that I BUILT a pyramid, I didn’t operate a pyramid scheme.

  267. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

    ‘Trump threw a straw man onto the table with his Lysol comment. That is a totally off the wall proposal thrown out for people to stick pins into to try to get people to think outside the box.’

    Trump threw the American people on the table, then stuck them with pins of his own stupidity. No wonder they want to curb his presence in front of the cameras. Next, he’ll be turning to voodoo, ’cause anything might work.

    Trump has over done and overplayed the hustling, street smart, fast talking, angle playing New Yorker. As a Noo Yawkah myself I know, as he should, that after awhile all that stuff turns into the crude, crass con.

  268. Nightowl April 25, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

    “Trump threw the American people on the table, then stuck them with pins of his own stupidity.”

    —————————————————–

    This is your brain on CNN.

  269. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

    Reinstate Crozier, let Cosby get the Covid!

  270. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

    The Koch bros. have made many philanthropical [sic] donations — big ones — but it never seems to buy them much love.

    Because they are evil, and because they were trust-fund kids, and started life rich. No-one respects dynasties.

    Plus whatever no-strings-attached genuine philanthropic donations they have made, I expect they are dwarfed by all the evil, dark, far-right, anti-democracy, pro-Republican Party outfits who receive regular brown-paper bags.

    They are the Deep State, NWO, Illuminati types the paranoid inmates on here should be railing against … but no, nary a peep.

  271. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 6:14 pm #

    Trump has over done and overplayed the hustling, street smart, fast talking, angle playing New Yorker. As a Noo Yawkah myself I know, as he should, that after awhile all that stuff turns into the crude, crass con.

    Absolutely correct. The shtick doesn’t work now, the emperor has no clothes. Independents are deserting trump in droves, and even are many of the deplorables … he’s toast, and he can spend the rest of his miserable life fighting indictments everywhere.

    Roll on 3 November indeed!

  272. tucsonspur April 25, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

    ‘This is your brain on CNN.’ I could help them a lot. Maybe 8 figures?

  273. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 6:33 pm #

    Oh wow Cargill! So now you believe in the Illuminati?

  274. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 6:43 pm #

    But Alba, isn’t Sweden implementing the herd immunity approach? Are you saying that would be best? It sounds like that is the case. I don’t see people in Sweden wearing masks from what little reporting on it I’ve come across. Are they? Why should most people if the risk is so low at this point? The hospitals are not overwhelmed here at all and can treat people who do get sick when it happens.

  275. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

    Retired Russian Intelligence Officer. Says exactly what Akmo and I have been saying. Talks about the Economy – says exactly what Mr Kunstler has bee saying. The bubble has to be deflated and this is going help them save their asses and assets while staying in control. Says what I implied: the Zionists are down with this all the way. What can I say but great minds think alike.

    LOL … what can one say, it’s so hysterical … yes I watched the video – some old dude in his Soviet-era uniform, who looked liked he’d had one or two vodkas too many – ranting about the world-wide Jewish conspiracy to depopulate the world and reset the economic order … and no evidence whatsoever. Not to be taken seriously.

    BTW James Kunstler has never ever said or agreed with rubbish like this – that is a total lie. And quite pathetic.

  276. SoftStarLight April 25, 2020 at 7:00 pm #

    Lol really? You think brilliant criminals leave behind trails of evidence? Only insiders of the insiders know what they do. But of course there are always spies and snitches. Have you ever heard of the Mafia?

  277. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 7:05 pm #

    I think this says it all about that 153news.net website, in their own words:

    My name is Jason Boss and I am the private individual who built 153news.net. I lost my 20,000 subs and 1400 videos on youtube as I exposed the Las Vegas hoax.

    How dare you link to something so vile … have you no dignity at all, no respect for the 58 young people cut down by a fellow American? You really are as low as it is possible to be. Just go away – you disgrace the forum.

  278. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

    “Deep state, NWO, illuminati type”-Cargill

    Cargill I don’t see too many commenters bringing up the Illuminati (whatever that is) or NWO, except you.

  279. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 7:12 pm #

    But Alba, isn’t Sweden implementing the herd immunity approach?

    The “herd immunity” approach was initially tried in Sweden, the Netherlands, the UK … it proved a disaster, and continues to result in high death numbers. It was politically and medically unacceptable.

    And guess what, the WHO has said today that they have no evidence to state that once you have had the infection, that you are safe from re-infection. So much for implied or assumed immunity, if the virus acts this way.

  280. Iananna April 25, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

    Majella – I just had to give a big uptick for Herr Selbstgefällig.
    May I steal that for future use?

  281. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

    Cargill I don’t see too many commenters bringing up the Illuminati (whatever that is) or NWO, except you.

    I think “elite cabal” and similar terms used by the Gang of Four pretty much covers the whole six-pack … with Soros and Gates lurking there with the cash. And the Pope of course.

    I just throw in the Illuminati for colour and movement – nothing wrong with that. To be fair and balanced, I’ll add the Freemasons, the Knights Templar, and even the Trilateral Commission.

  282. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 7:31 pm #

    Green Alba: Yes, believing you have freedom is the sure sign you have already lost it. It’s never granted – it’s taken.

    This is word salad nonsense … believing you have freedom can mean what it says … you have freedom.

    Hungary is saved then. Ruled by a Wise Despot. The White birthrate is already starting to come up thanks to tax breaks and other forms of encouragement to young couples.

    Your sarcasm doesn’t work well.

    To be clear, I’m speaking to high IQ people like the ones on this blog in all that I say. That includes you. For the average person, I have nothing to say. The best thing they can do is following their leaders. That’s why it is such a savage betrayal when their Shepherds take off their sheepskins to reveal themselves to be literal wolves.

    I would need more evidence of the high IQ around here, given the conspiracy theories believed and peddled, including biblical ones, and the misinformation people fall over themselves to indulge in.

    JHK writes his essays to get people to think, and be critical, and to really re-assess the happy motoring delusion. But posts live in dark shadows and follow racists and charlatans.

  283. elysianfield April 25, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

    “SOMETHING put black people on the planet, and I have every confidence that what ever that thing is; it will keep us here (despite your best efforts)”

    Yo!

    Thwack,
    Thwack,
    Thwack is back,
    He’d like to start spittin’ but he ain’t got the knack,
    He says he black,
    He must be smokin’ crack,
    He gots a lot to say but his ideas are wack,
    He should post a photo so we all could be seein’
    Just how black his ass ain’t bein’

    Word

  284. sophia April 25, 2020 at 7:35 pm #

    Q Shtick,

    Actually, leeches are making a comeback. There is just no way that crude human hands with their crude instruments can match their precision – perfect removal of putrefying tissue and good tissue intact.

    As for the AI program Cargill, why did I think he is a program? Because he defends his incredibly extremist position no matter what. Impervious to any argument, any data.

    The deep state is the enemy of humanity. They own the media.

    Those of us who think the pandemic is serious and the lockdowns are an appropriate response… still have a paycheck.

    There. Fixed it for ya.

  285. sophia April 25, 2020 at 7:43 pm #

    These two doctors give an excellent presentation on why the data now show we should stop the lockdown. Also interesting that they say staying at home even for two months will lower your immune system.

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU

    Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing, Pt. 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6j7o1pLBw

  286. sophia April 25, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

    Trump has been doing an incredible job. I hadn’t watched very many videos of his speeches before but I am watching many snippets of his daily briefings. He has worked tirelessly, solved problems such as the respirator shortage, a problem shared by many countries, and even though it turned out not to be needed, none of us knew that. He is encouraging governors to do a measured reopening. He is standing up to the incredible, even shocking bullying by various press. He is trying to uncover any treatments or cures and has led the way on hydrocychloroquine and now UV radiation, “the cure that time forgot” which was being used on various infections before antibiotics came and stole its thunder. He is obviously trying to keep us from medical tyranny and I sure hope he is able to do so.

  287. sophia April 25, 2020 at 7:54 pm #

    Janos,

    Thanks Don, but I’ll pass until you build the fucking wall and stop allowing illegal immigrants to take our blue collar jobs and legal immigrants to take our white collar jobs.

    He just made another effort in that direction. He is closing immigration because with 22 million Americans out of work, we should not accept any competition. The wall – I thought it was started?

    Do you realize how big the deep state is? It is a world wide cabal, deeply entrenched, no one can stand up to it. The swamp contains thousands.

  288. sophia April 25, 2020 at 8:11 pm #

    Oh, ha, ha, ha. Biden beating Trump? Trump doing such a lousy job? Biden is hiding in his basement and won’t debate Trump because Covid. Now that’s the leader we need.

  289. sophia April 25, 2020 at 8:15 pm #

    “And guess what, the WHO has said today that they have no evidence to state that once you have had the infection, that you are safe from re-infection. ”

    Maybe so, but that means no vaccine either, if I am not mistaken. I don’t see how I can be mistaken. Vaccines provoke an immune response. That’s how they work. It doesn’t kill viruses, it provokes the immune system to make antibodies. So if the antibodies from the disease, which always last longer than ones from a vaccine, don’t last, there will be no vaccine.

  290. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 8:44 pm #

    Sophia: Yes, even Saudi Arabia on board – with Mecca closed down. This is absolutely amazing. Anglin says now they have rap stars giving concerts, etc. Their Young Leader is 100% Illuminati. Thus Bin Ladin’s hatred of the Saudi regime has been vindicated (though of course not his ideas of what the good life is). All in all, Iran and the Shia are the only hope for Islam now. And of course, some of the Sufi brotherhoods.

  291. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

    “You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black. You cannot change the basic perception and illogical behavior. In other words, these people, the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible.”
    – Y. Bezmenov

    For Carguile and Co.

  292. BackRowHeckler April 25, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

    Who watched the NFL 2020 draft on Fox Sports?

    For me it’s hard to fathom that the NFL draft is interesting enough to be televised. It’s kind of a recent phenomena, not the draft itself, but the draft as an event. No, college football has always served as a free minor league for professional football, in fact, predates pro football by about 50 years.

    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was part of the show, recorded at his home. During an interview (asskissing type interview with questions like “hows it feel to be so awesome) Goodell quipped he’d have to cut it short as there were chores to do around the house like ‘cleaning the gutters”. Goodell’s salary is $1 million per week; do you think he’s cleaning the gutters?

    Brh

  293. Majella April 25, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

    Iananna
    April 25, 2020 at 7:17 pm #
    Majella – I just had to give a big uptick for Herr Selbstgefällig.
    May I steal that for future use?

    You don’t need permission, but do reserve its use round here for the One Most Deserving.

  294. Majella April 25, 2020 at 9:17 pm #

    GreenAlba
    April 25, 2020 at 3:38 pm #
    “Trump stared straight at Dr. Shawl Woman … Ms Shawl averted her eyes and squirmed in disbelief at what she was hearing. I was praying (metaphorically) that she would lift her head and say “Mr. President, this is a joke, right? You’re practicing a new stand up routine for after next January when you go back to your civilian TV role, RIGHT??””

    Exactly, Q. Unequivocally. But don’t tell You Know Who, as it will take the ground from under his feet. It would be cruel. He BELIEVES. He thinks this is Trump doing his Amazingly Effective and Deliberate Troll routine.

    Just to be clear GA, it appears Skorenzy believes you were referring to him.

    Are you? It seems to me that “You Know Who” is more likely to be that Master of the Flippant Ad Hominem and Occasional Sexist Insult (when he has nothing of substance to say), NigIQwl.

  295. stelmosfire April 25, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

    Q, I think I’m wrong. The place is Ivory Billiards. I haven’t been there in 40 years. I think what they have is a 10 ft billiard table. I just remember it was huge.
    http://ivorybilliards.com/

  296. stelmosfire April 25, 2020 at 10:11 pm #

    Sophia:
    Actually, leeches are making a comeback. There is just no way that crude human hands with their crude instruments can match their precision – perfect removal of putrefying tissue and good tissue intact.

    I think your confusing leeches with maggots.

  297. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 10:19 pm #

    Norwegian Girl Disappointed to Find that She’s So White by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance

    “White” has become an “all-purpose insult.” If something is too white, there’s something wrong.

    Cornelia Grismo is a young Norwegian woman with about 202,000 subscribers on YouTube. She is a vegan and mostly talks about travel, fitness, and health. Recently, she posted a video called “How NORWEIGIAN Am I Really? DNA Test Results.” She begins by explaining that her relatives researched her family tree, and she is supposedly descended from royalty.

    At 5:25, she reads the results, showing she’s mostly from Scandinavia, along with some Irish, Scottish, and Welsh blood. “I’m so white,” she says laughing, and rolling her eyes. “I couldn’t have been more white. No! I had hoped for Asian, African.” “I couldn’t have been more boring than that,” she adds.

    Comments were overwhelmingly negative. Her fans were disgusted that she seemed ashamed to be white. There were about 8,600 dislikes compared to about 1,100 likes.

    Miss Grimsmo, visibly shaken, responded on April 20 by “addressing the situation.” On the brink of tears, she said she had been receiving threats. She said she had just been was “trying to be funny” and hoped her DNA would show a “cool surprise.”

    So it would be cool to discover that her ancestors miscegenated? Somehow, this doesn’t work for Hispanics or blacks. It’s not a “cool surprise” to discover they are whiter than they thought. It’s potentially career threatening.

    Consider Jessica Alba. In 2007, the actress said “I’m American,” adding that she didn’t speak Spanish and claimed she “never felt connected to one particular race or heritage.” She took a lot of criticism for this, and by the next year, she had changed her mind. “I know I feel close to the Latin community, because that’s what I grew up with,” she said. She also said she wanted “my baby to be brown” and just had to “believe the dark gene is going to survive.”

    In 2009, she appeared on George Lopez’s show with DNA results. After the comedian and his audience snickered about whites, Miss Alba predicted she would “probably be more native American.” Instead, she turned out be “87 percent European.” The audience gasped and hissed and Miss Alba looked crushed. After some more anti-white jokes, she tried to defend herself by asking if Spain “counted” as white. In 2010, she was one of the stars of Machete, which features Mexican illegals slaughtering vigilantes. Jessica Alba’s character was a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who betrays law enforcement to support her co-ethnic, the eponymous outlaw.

    The popularity of DNA tests and public “reveals” shows that genetic heritage is important if it’s politically useful. When a “white supremacist” named Paul Craig Cobb supposedly found out he was 14 percent black, journalists celebrated his “black” identity. It was different for Senator Elizabeth Warren, who had claimed to be an American Indian for most of her career. A DNA test found very little Indian blood. Senator Warren apologized, and the New York Times reported that the DNA test “has also troubled advocates of racial equality and justice, who say her attempt to document ethnicity with a DNA test gave validity to the idea that race is determined by blood – a bedrock principle for white supremacists and others who believe in racial hierarchies.”

    It’s also a “bedrock principle” for the federal government, which requires a “Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood” which shows your “blood quantum and tribal affiliation.” A DNA test you can order isn’t enough; each tribe has its own requirements, so you can’t simply “identify” as an American Indian and get the benefits of the American caste system.

    America is reportedly built on “white privilege,” but many whites (most notoriously, Rachel Dolezal) don’t want to be considered white because they won’t get the legal, financial, and even social benefits non-whites do. Many Arabs, Israelis, and others currently considered “white” by the Census Bureau want an “Americans of Middle Eastern and North Africa descent (MENA)” category so they can get their own privileges.

    To take another example, one Ralph Taylor used a DNA test that found he was four percent black to claim he was an African-American and thus eligible for a Minority Business Certificate so he could have access to billions in government contracts. Suddenly, as with with Rachel Dolezal, race became a biological reality instead of a social construct for blacks who don’t want whites horning in on affirmative action.

    People change their minds about the white privilege. In 1996, near the beginning of her career, Charlize Theron said she left South Africa because “there was no future for a white South African.” In 2018, she was claiming her South African background was a benefit that made her “hyperaware of equality and human rights.” In 1996, she said “I just ran” from South Africa. In 2019, she claimed “I benefited” because she was white. Now with adopted black children, Miss Theron is “shockingly single” in her words, and says “somebody just needs to grow a pair and step up,” presumably to help the aging actress take care of those adopted black children.

    Miss Grimsmo seems like a normal, nice person who is unaware of all the ridiculous racial double-standards and complicated politics. She stumbled into this controversy. She probably did get hostile email. Of course, if she had expressed pride in being white, she may have been banned and lost all the work that went into building her channel.

    In her follow-up video, she said this: “I’m very happy with who I am. I was not disappointed in the fact that I’m white, I’m well aware that I’m white, I’ve been white my entire life, no surprise there, very happy about that.” “I would be very happy if I was something else as well,” she added, “I think everyone should be happy as they are.”

    Self-hatred is poison. However, will Miss Grimsmo now take heat because she said she is “very happy” to be white? She may have stepped into controversy again and could be pressured to “address the situation” even more.

    Miss Grimsmo’s travails show why whites are hesitant, even terrified, to talk about race. They don’t want to be associated with the “far-right” or get clobbered by a media frenzy. I agree with her when she says we live in a “crazy world.” The contradictions, absurdities, and abuse we are expected to take can drive people nuts or to despair. All I can say is the reason I do what I do is because we shouldn’t be forced to live this way. Another world is possible, and we’re entitled to it.

    JS: Royalty? Maybe. But Royal Fool? Definitely. This Grisly Girl has no excuse – as if Norway wasn’t the land of Varg and Anders. She wanted to be something cool – as if being Blonde and Beautiful, among the last of a dying breed, and being universally desired by all races of Men, isn’t something a little bit special at least. How could being a bit Asian, African, or Hispanic add anything to that? It could only take away. She was raised to be an utter fool and she her mentors have succeeded completely. Thank God her fans trashed her. Maybe there’s hope….

  298. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

    “SOMETHING put black people on the planet, and I have every confidence that whatever that thing is; it will keep us here (despite your best efforts)”

    Black and brown people arrived on the planet first, and it was only their resilience, strength and adaptability to adversity that allowed homo sapiens to survive and prosper … and they remain strong people.

    White people evolved out of weakness – black people went too far north during cold periods, and black skin prevented sufficient intake of Vitamin D, and gradually – as mutations led to lighter skin – those paler people survived in the gene pool at higher latitudes.

    In Italy and Switzerland we have seen beautiful churches where the statues of the Madonna are black … and of course it is highly possible that the Madonna, JC, and his disciples were black, or very dark brown indeed.

    The whole “JC is a white dude with blue eyes” meme came very much later indeed.

  299. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 10:38 pm #

    https://www.wvwnews.net/content/index.php?/news_story/book_review_a_man_beyond_his_mission.html

    Looks very good, a real life Man Called Intrepid. One of the new systems of personal surveillance is called Flemming, named after Ian Flemming I assume.

  300. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

    Carguile: Blacks have been found to have an unknown “ghost species” in their DNA – which Whites simply do not have. Therefore we are not descended from them. If we were, we’d have it in our DNA as well. Pretty simple – got it?

    Blacks seem to be fairly new – a synthesis of Paleolithic groups to form a new archaic human type, perhaps with some physical improvements. But a larger brain and the higher IQ that comes with it are not among them.

  301. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

    Trump has been doing an incredible job.

    I agree totally – he not done anything that is the slightest bit credible!

    He has won – easily – the race to be the Worst President in American History … he always was Top Five, but he’s cleared out over the past three months, winning by the length of the home stretch.

    Trump’s COVID-19 ‘bleach gambit’ may have been the moment his supporters realised he’s dumber than they thought – if such a thing could be possible.

    Roll on 3 November!

  302. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

    Blacks have been found to have an unknown “ghost species” in their DNA – which Whites simply do not have. Therefore we are not descended from them. If we were, we’d have it in our DNA as well. Pretty simple – got it?

    Source for this pathetic nonsense?

    It really is a terrible breach of etiquette to throw up unsupported information and not attribute it to anyone. Please advise just one credible scientist (not white supremacist websites) who will support this.

    White people share 100% of the genes of all other homo sapiens individuals – we are one species, descended from a small group in Southern Africa, who spread out across the world under 120,000 years ago. Pretty simple – got it?

  303. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 11:02 pm #

    In fact, what is remarkable is how little genetic variation there is across all human populations, from the extreme white of Sweden to the deepest black in Papua New Guinea.

    One credible theory is that the enormous Toba volcanic eruption in Indonesia about 71,000 years ago led to a very long period of adverse weather, and the homo sapiens population crashed, to as few as 2,000 breeding pairs.

    We are all descended from a group of surviving individuals who would barely fill a whistle-stop town in Kansas … it’s a remarkable story.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck

  304. Q. Shtik April 25, 2020 at 11:03 pm #

    Q, I think I’m wrong. The place is Ivory Billiards. I haven’t been there in 40 years. I think what they have is a 10 ft billiard table. – stelmo, 4/25 at 9:55 pm

    ===========

    Yes, I believe your correction is correct. I opened the link and looked at the pictures. The first one is indeed a Billiard table (no pockets and 3 balls, 2 white and 1 red). I would love to go there and play a few games if my eyesight hadn’t long since failed me… a victim to continuously variable tri-focal glasses plus I can’t get my eyeballs to hold a focus. But I DO love the game of “3 cushion billiards.”

    Another pic has about a dozen standard pool tables in it. They also run some competitive league play, one of which is 8-ball, I believe. And they serve beer!

    This is my kind of hang out.

  305. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 11:24 pm #

    At 5:25, she reads the results, showing she’s mostly from Scandinavia, along with some Irish, Scottish, and Welsh blood. “I’m so white,” she says laughing, and rolling her eyes. “I couldn’t have been more white. No! I had hoped for Asian, African.” “I couldn’t have been more boring than that,” she adds.

    I understand that … and to me it isn’t the slightest bit contentious. Only the very tribal nativist would think so.

    There isn’t special about being all plain vanilla white, and lots of people would like it to be a bit more exotic, and a bit more mixed up. Hybrid vigour is a well-known phenomenon, among both plants and animals.

    Giving up all the pervasive and under-estimated privileges of being part of the white tribe might be another matter of course.

  306. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 11:34 pm #

    Cargill: White Women are considered the most beautiful in most cultures. No wonder seeing as how amongst themselves, the fairest are seen as the best.

    Africa does not equal Negro, you ignoramus. All kinds of people live in Africa. You need to travel more and/or do some reading. Our ancestors who left Africa were not Negroes – obviously. If you call people from the Horn of Africa Negro, you might get a fist in the face. Many of them do not identify as such, seeing them as ugly and a slave race. Such bigotry helps to preserve the diversity you say you love. Negroes in India are constantly attacked. Why are they ever there? The Sioux Indians admired the Black Union cavalry, calling them “Buffalo Soldiers, but the Comanches, Evelyn’s people, experience extreme loathing and hatred at the very sight of them.

  307. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 11:34 pm #

    Consider Jessica Alba. In 2007, the actress said “I’m American,” adding that she didn’t speak Spanish and claimed she “never felt connected to one particular race or heritage.”

    She took a lot of criticism for this, and by the next year, she had changed her mind. “I know I feel close to the Latin community, because that’s what I grew up with,” she said. She also said she wanted “my baby to be brown” and just had to “believe the dark gene is going to survive.”

    These are quite complicated issues, and have been so for at least two centuries. The over-riding ideology in the US for a very long time was “melting pot” – within a generation or so you became ‘American’, and you basically forgot or totally minimised your original ethnic roots.

    This works okay for a lot of migrants – those from essentially European or near-European nations, where assimilation was pretty straightforward.

    But over the past 40 years or so, assimilation has been challenged by multiculturalism – it certainly has been the case in Australia. My partner teaches in a school with over 90 nationalities represented – they are all little Aussie kids, but their links to their home nations remain strong, and they are encouraged.

    We have a lot of international and multicultural events, festivals, music, institutions, and so on – even a whole public broadcasting network. And – here is the key – all individuals are free to embrace their origins to precisely the level they want.

    Some remain very tribal within their own group, others just become “Australians”, and think of themselves as nothing else. But most are sensibly somewhere in the middle: essentially Aussie in all the ways that matter, but still proud to participate in a number of their national events over the cultural calendar.

    There are no right or wrong answers here … there are just different ways of doing things and seeing the world.

  308. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 11:35 pm #

    Q: You are confusing Snooker with Billiards.

  309. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 11:37 pm #

    Cargill: White Women are considered the most beautiful in most cultures. No wonder seeing as how amongst themselves, the fairest are seen as the best.

    Nonsense … being white is seen as sickly and deathly pale in many as well. The mass media applies relentless pressure to make white seem the coolest, and the best, but it is more mythology than anything else.

  310. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 11:43 pm #

    Cargill: The Abos adopted the prejudices of the English ruling class, one refusing an Irish slave’s clothing, saying Irish no good. The English used use their superb tracking abilities to track down escaped Irish Slaves. The Abos would enjoy beating the captured Irishman on the way back. Needless to say, the Irish developed an extreme hatred of the Abos and once establishing themselves in the Outback made them pay for their many abuses with interest!

    Surely you can see Alba’s hatred of her White genetics as deeply offensive to White People and psychologically unhealthy for herself? Or are you complicit in the hate Whitey Global Initiative? And as for Whites trying to pass as something else, and Middle Easterners trying to get out of our category, surely that indicates that Whites no longer rule in their own lands.

    Tell them about the Tribe of Abos who lived on Chinese Railroad Laborers for a few months until they were exterminated. Surely you don’t disapprove of that? Or do you hate Chinese people too along with Whites?

  311. Cargill April 25, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

    Africa does not equal Negro, you ignoramus. All kinds of people live in Africa.

    I didn’t mention “Negro” at all … what are you on about? I’m talking about a period well before there was any diversification in Africa – that came much later.

    But everybody on the planet is descended from a reasonably small group of people who left Africa at least 100,000 years ago, and later differentiated into various types, depending on where they wound up, and what the conditions were like there – from Arctic to Equator.

    People got to Papua New Guinea perhaps 70,000 years ago … they remain incredibly black, but are no more related to the “Negro” that emerged from those who stayed in Africa than you or any other blond blue-eyed North German or Pole is, or I am (mostly Celtic).

  312. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 11:45 pm #

    The Romans describe Jesus Christ as fair skinned with reddish hair. Don’t know about the eyes.

    He weren’t no Emmett Till.

  313. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2020 at 11:49 pm #

    Exactly. And the Papuans do not have the dna of the Ghost Species in them. They are not descended from the Negro anymore than we are. All the people who left Africa are closer to each other than any of them are to the Negro.

    I am more closely related to any random White on the street than they are to their own mixed race child. Such is tragedy of outbreeders who allow themselves to become incubators for other races.

  314. Majella April 26, 2020 at 12:32 am #

    Skorenzy:
    “One of the new systems of personal surveillance is called Flemming, named after Ian Flemming I assume.”

    Huh? Are you still just making shit up, or ‘assuming’ too much?

    “Flemming” as a word or name is more usually spelled ‘Fleming”. Certainly, Ian Fleming – the creator fo James Bond – had just the one ‘m’.

    Despite numerous searches, nothing related to ‘Flemming” and “personal surveillance system’ was found.

  315. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 1:12 am #

    Exactly. And the Papuans do not have the dna of the Ghost Species in them.

    Exactly, because there is no such thing, in the “Negro” nor in anyone else. We are all descended from a small group of identical homo sapiens ancestors. Why do you find this so hard to accept?

    You want to pick on Africans so you subjugate African-Americans – because you’re a white supremacist who no doubt likes the look of a white hood.

    They are not descended from the Negro anymore than we are. All the people who left Africa are closer to each other than any of them are to the Negro.

    Wrong. All the peoples who left Africa have an identical common ancestor with all those who stayed in Africa and diversified, just like Malays, Chinese, Japanese, Australian Aborigines, and Polynesians diversified.

    But all the diversification is at a trivial level, and caused by adaption to the conditions of the region. We are all 100% the same, and any human being can interbreed with any other.

    And without such massive mixing of genetic material, we wouldn’t be here at all.

    I am more closely related to any random White on the street than they are to their own mixed race child.

    Utterly correct – in the first part. You are likely (if you have European ancestry) to be more closely related to any other similar European than you are to a Japanese person, or an Indian in the Brazilian jungle.

    But they are directly related to all their children.

    Such is tragedy of outbreeders who allow themselves to become incubators for other races.

    This is racial genetics and I shall call you Josef Mengele from now on … the name suits. And you don’t like mixed raced marriages, and mixed-race children? Well, I feel very sorry for what you’re dismissing and missing.

    Mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful examples of the human form in the world, and many of them achieve a great deal – despite receiving vicious discrimination from the likes of WHite Supremacists.

  316. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 1:32 am #

    Despite numerous searches, nothing related to ‘Flemming” and “personal surveillance system’ was found.

    You’re obviously not looking in the spooky dark web, Majella! LOL!

  317. SoftStarLight April 26, 2020 at 1:33 am #

    Mixed race is bland and boring. Distinction and diversity are better. Multiracialism and multiculturalism are simply aspects of globalism and globalization. The same phenomenon that has done such a wonderful job of destroying the uniqueness of place and location. Its all interrelated.

  318. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:30 am #

    Classic Maj or as we call her “Galaxy Brain”. She realizes I misspelled a name. And then she goes and googles my misspelling in order to refute me. Such a passion for the Truth! Night Owl (or as she calls him, Nig Owl) is going to love this!

    Seriously, I heard something about this on the news. I try googling the correct spelling (thank you Galaxy) and I got this:

    https://www.flemingfund.org/publications/overview-amr-surveillance-ghana-malawi-nepal-nigeria/

    Is it what I heard about on the news earlier? Not sure. But I have a feeling we’ll be hearing more about Fleming Surveillance in the near future.

  319. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:33 am #

    Meanwhile, Cargill can’t get past me using a bad word like Negro. It’s verboten now even though in the dictionary. Blacks used to insist on it, now they don’t like it. Once we get used to calling them what they want to be called, they’ll change it again. The point is for us always to be wrong. People like Cargill never figure this out or they get it and they love it, but in fact, it’s an incredibly nasty and immoral policy.

  320. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:35 am #

    Dogs and Wolves can interbreed too, but they are not the same. Nor are the different breeds of dogs. What a crude understanding you have. All people are the same cuz they’re all people. Does that about cover it? Sad! Dumb!

  321. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:41 am #

    We’re not the same anymore in any case. Whites interbred with Neanderthal. The Abos probably interbred with Homo Erectus. Some of the Asians and Pacific Islanders with Denivosan (sp?). Negroes with the unnamed ghost species. And then of course there were the evolutionary pressures of living in the North in general that selected for higher Intelligence. The Australoids, hugging the tropical Indian Ocean never had to get smarter and guess what? They didn’t. They IQ is even lower than the Black IQ of 70.

  322. SoftStarLight April 26, 2020 at 3:04 am #

    The About Us section of the Fleming Fund’s site says this

    “Antimicrobial resistance has the potential to kill millions each year and become a massive burden on health systems across the world. By 2050, if left unchecked, drug-resistant infections will kill 10 million people a year and cost the worldwide economy $100 trillion. To combat this problem, we first need to understand it—and the Fleming Fund is a crucial step in creating a clearer global picture. Having accurate information will make sure the right resources are deployed at the right time, in the right place, to make the maximum impact.”

    Chief Medical Officer Professor Dame Sally Davies

    Sounds like the ususal spiel that we are always given. There is a potential problem. So the global solution is to gather more data about you and figure out better and more efficient ways to control you. And its definitely being done for your own good.

  323. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 3:28 am #

    Antimicrobial resistance has the potential to kill millions each year and become a massive burden on health systems across the world.

    This isn’t particularly late-breaking news – JHK (and many others) have for years been very critical of agribusiness and the medical racket … the use and abuse of antibiotics for all food animals, and the over-prescribing of antibiotics in the medical industry.

    The growth of resistance to our most powerful antibiotics is indeed a critical health issue, but yet again the lunatics want to dive into paranoia and jump at the “globalism” shadows.

    Why don’t you all give it a rest? We live in a connected world because it works, and it produces wealth. Without trade in goods, services, and natural resources, Americans would be shit-kickers living in hovels in Appalachia.

  324. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 3:44 am #

    Dogs and Wolves can interbreed too, but they are not the same.

    So? They can interbreed because they share essentially the same genetic structure – hardly anything mysterious about that.

    And their offspring can reproduce too – demonstrating a viable genetic “fit” – unlike the mating between horses and donkeys, or zebras. the hybrid offspring are generally infertile.

    None of this is mysterious or contentious. In the same way that all human beings are essentially the same, right down to the very granular level of the full genome. You are 99.99999999% just live your “Negro” comrades – just get used to it.

    And all breeds of dogs can interbreed I guess (if they can overcome the huge physical size issues). But things like dogs, cattle, pigeons, chickens, etc, are special cases – all the weird and wonderful breeds have been “created” by artificial selection, either for better food outcomes, or simply for the amusement of humans.

  325. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 3:58 am #

    The Abos probably interbred with Homo Erectus.

    Hahaha!

    This goose wins the Biggest Dumbo on CFN Award for the Decade – maybe the Century!

  326. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 4:24 am #

    That Josef Mengele just has to be a bored college kid troll … they cannot be serious. Nobody can be that sick racist, surely.

    Perhaps better not to feed the troll.

  327. Majella April 26, 2020 at 4:49 am #

    Skorenzy
    April 26, 2020 at 2:30 am #

    Seriously, I heard something about this on the news. I try googling the correct spelling (thank you Galaxy) and I got this:

    https://www.flemingfund.org/publications/overview-amr-surveillance-ghana-malawi-nepal-nigeria/

    What a dipshit. You even related it to a fictional spy-character’s creator. Such deep thinking. Then you actually did some leg-work after I posted. Ha!

    I’ve known of the “Fleming Fund” for I can’t recall how long. It’s huge and funds all manner of research & outreach programmes. I would never have thought to jump to the erroneous conclusion YOU made in linking it some sort of nefarious covert ‘personal surveillance system’.

    But to you, in your twisted & fevered mind, its very size & status naturally makes it an arm of the ‘deep state / global elite / Illuminati / Jewish conspiracy’ that is out to getcha, huh.

    Clearly you didn’t even bother to read the article you found, either, or you would have discovered that the ‘personal surveillance’ that has you so hot & bothered is actually a programme to ‘surveillance AMR (anti-microbial resistance, to you), particularly in the tropics & sub-tropics. So, it’s way more to do with antibiotic resistance than viruses.

    There’s nothing about sticking a chip in anyone or giving them a smart-phone anti-body passport or ANY of the fruit-loop theories you hold and spray about like spit. It’s about meta-data gathering, which is an utterly crucial component of any legitimate scientific study.

    Are you anti-science now, too, Skorenzy, like President Chlorox? Oh, sorry…dumb question. The current conversation around THIS entry is all about how you have no clue of how DNA functions.

    I know you have the link, but I’ll share the actual information right here for the rest to see how far out of your bandwidth you’ve got this time. It’s pretty brief:

    About AMR

    Antimicrobial resistance (AMR) occurs when microorganisms such as bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites change in ways that make treatments ineffective. AMR is a major concern because drug-resistant infections can kill, spread to others, and impose huge costs on individuals and society.

    A number of factors can increase the spread of resistant microorganisms. For example, antimicrobial drugs are often used unnecessarily, which increases the risk that microorganisms can become resistant, survive and multiply.

    Stopping AMR requires a One Health approach – the collaboration of multiple disciplines working locally, nationally and globally to achieve the optimal health of people, animals and the environment. The Fleming Fund is a One Health initiative to fight AMR in low and middle income countries.

    The importance of data

    Not enough is known about the scale and scope of AMR. We need to improve access to data on:

    > the extent and trends of resistance itself
    > the burden of disease associated with AMR
    > trends in use of antimicrobial medicines
    > the quality of antimicrobial medicines being used”

    I guess it would be unkind to wish necrotizing fasciitis upon even you, Skorenzy, so I’ll resist. However, the exquisite irony of a nasty, painful, slow and unstoppable staph infection being your exit from this world would be hilarious.

  328. Majella April 26, 2020 at 4:51 am #

    Oh, and BTW, “Flemming” & “Fleming” are both acceptable spellings of the same name. So, GFY.

  329. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 4:55 am #

    Carguile: Thank you for admitting multicultural societies don’t work. And that non-Europeans can’t or won’t assimilate to White Cultures. That’s a large part of my message. I thought we were at odds on these points, but evidently not. I think I’m having a good effect on you perhaps.

  330. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 5:01 am #

    Gal: One spelling is correct and one is not. The correct one gets to the site and the other does not. I thought you knew that – so why are you going back on it now? And why did you choose the wrong spelling initially to google?

    Woman – a mystery inside an enigma. As I said before, I’m not sure this is correct site or not. But this one seems to work for you, so who am I to stand in the way of your fantasy?

    No doubt I’ll clear it all up in a day or two. I’m glad I was able to show you the error of your ways in any case.

  331. Majella April 26, 2020 at 5:12 am #

    Soft Star Light
    http://www.softstarlight.com

    About Me

    I live deep in the bayous of Louisiana, running a small bait shop & boat hire business off my back porch, while I raise my chill’un best I can. Sure, from time to time, I might have to feed them nutria casserole, but it tastes like rabbit (which is not too bad for a large rat).

    My view of life is full of frightening shadows and there are plots all around us. I can’t see ’em or prove ’em but I just KNOW they’re there.

    I try to warn other people all the time! I regularly contribute to a web site comments page, and there, thank the Good Lord, thank Sweet Mountain Jesus, I find some people of like mind. (There’s even one guy who’s sweet on me! Teeheehee!)

    I read all sorts of things that look innocuous on the surface, but they don’t fool me with their weasel words. They dress up their agenda in nice-sounding platitudes, but I can see through ’em! There’s ‘Elites’ everywhere trying to grab control of our lives. Anyway, all my on-line friends agree with me, so there’s that to keep me goin’!

  332. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 5:12 am #

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

    My Father and one of my Aunts were in London during the bombing. Afterwards they would try to find each other. How sad that all that heroism and endurance just ended in mass immigration and transformation into a 3rd World Country. If only the pro-German faction had won out, something might have been saved of Western Civilization in the Anglosphere and beyond into Western Europe. Alas it was not to be and the inhuman Illuminati have triumphed. They were hiding behind the “Allies” all this while waiting for their chance, even as they slowly transformed our Culture from the shadows.

  333. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 5:16 am #

    Maj: Sounds like our SSL indeed. How beautiful she is! I’m going to bed now but I’ll check it out tomorrow. Thanks for finding it. She was probably too shy to share it with us.

  334. Majella April 26, 2020 at 5:20 am #

    Skorenzy:
    “One spelling is correct and one is not.

    No, as the spelling of the name, both ARE correct. It’s your cock-up, not mine.

    But surely! You wouldn’t have made such a stupid and simple error if you’d actually BEEN to the site and READ the article you were referencing, would you? I assumed you would have and THAT was my mistake – in crediting you with even the smidgen of intellectual honesty that would have indicated and required.

    As I also, said, it would never have occurred to me that your outrageous accusation was referring to The Fleming Fund. Why would it? I’m not a raving nutjob racist Nazi lunatic.

  335. Majella April 26, 2020 at 5:35 am #

    Skorenzy:

    “If only the pro-German faction had won out, something might have been saved of Western Civilization in the Anglosphere and beyond into Western Europe. Alas it was not to be and the inhuman Illuminati have triumphed. They were hiding behind the “Allies” all this while waiting for their chance, even as they slowly transformed our Culture from the shadows.”

    This is contradictory, isn’t it? Help me out here. I thought the evil banksters/Illuminati/Jewish conspiracy had a ‘bob each way’ (as my parents would have said).

    So, why this impassioned yearning for German success in WW2, if, no matter WHICH ‘side’ won, the same oligarchic ‘elites’ would have STILL been there to turn the world into this sad shit-hole your twisted perception places around you?

    That article cited is a pathetic, emotionally manipulative piece of propaganda worthy of Goebbels himself. No wonder – it’s from the “Daily Mail”. Who’d have thunk it?

    Lest We Forget – what sort of world/England was it, in 1939, that these purported veterans and their families are missing so keenly?

    Poverty was rife, sexual abuse of young women and children was rife but ignored, a legal system that favoured the wealthy…oh, hang on a minute, mate! What’s so different? What was ‘lost’?

  336. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 6:55 am #

    SSL

    “But Alba, isn’t Sweden implementing the herd immunity approach? Are you saying that would be best? It sounds like that is the case. I don’t see people in Sweden wearing masks from what little reporting on it I’ve come across. Are they? Why should most people if the risk is so low at this point? The hospitals are not overwhelmed here at all and can treat people who do get sick when it happens.”

    There are a number of points in there. One is that herd immunity sounds like a thing before we know it’s a thing, for reasons already discussed. Even if it isn’t a thing, as the Prof. Giesicke pointed out, rates will eventually fall anyway when all the vulnerable people have died.

    From memory, the he said that in Sweden schools for up to 15/16-year-olds (who are at little risk and don’t seem to transmit the virus particularly either, from what we know) are still open. The schools for pupils in their final years are closed, as are universities. People can go to a restaurant, but they have to sit at a distance from one another. That will show on a curve as well. A restaurant or pub that can’t have any customers just now may close now, if it gets no government help (currently they are here), but a restaurant that can only operate for a year at one third capacity is likely to close a bit later, so that’s just flattening the curve as well, and the same will be true of airlines, cruise companies, the tourism sector generally, the leisure industry, sports and many more.

    Where I am (as, I presume, in the US) people over 60 or 65, depending where it is, get free bus travel. The local authority gives the bus companies about 60% of the fare as a grant. So the bus company makes a loss on the individual pensioner, but in fact many of them couldn’t operate if it weren’t for the fact that so many old people use the buses (which helps with health overall too, because it gets old people out and about, which is good for them and lowers NHS spending). Maybe some of the bus companies will go under anyway, once there are more people on the buses again but hardly any old people during working hours, because they’re still semi-isolating – or dead!. There are many examples of business curves that will tell stories too.

    Where I’m guessing he’s possibly right is that in the long term most of us are going to get it anyway. It’s everywhere. And if it isn’t now it will be (that’s not paranoia, it’s just an observation). The curve is a thing, and flattening it has certainly helped here. Your situation is different, except, it would seem, in New York, in particular. And you don’t know what would have happened with no lockdown (except in NYC it’s fairly obvious). We continue to be short of PPE, which is a worldwide phenomenon – and a situation where buying time is of the essence.

    I read an anonymous article recently by a consultant respiratory specialist saying his ICU was at three times capacity – he was at his wits’ end, doing 14-hour days, and had no time or mental energy left for his family, while living and breathing critical care and even having to deal with messages when he got home. They had to leave people longer in normal wards before moving them to ICU, for capacity reasons – the Nightingale hospitals are few in number and only at a few hubs (the plan was to recruit a bank of nurses who’d recently left the profession or move nurses from existing ICUs, leaving everywhere even more stretched).

    So, I don’t know, SSL. I believe decisions all round the world were made in good faith (if Viktor Orban has really been able to effectively make himself dictator for life, as the Swedish guy says, maybe not so much in places like Hungary). Only time will tell if those decisions were right in the long run, and even then we’ll still be speculating on what might have happened in other scenarios.

    The other thing about flattening the curve (and partial lockdowns, which is what we actually have since lots of people are still at work) is that people may be exposed to lower doses of virus at their first exposure. It’s been my husband’s (entirely speculative) view since early on that you’re better getting a low dose from maybe a couple of minutes beside an infected shop worker than a high dose from either a patient in a hospital or spending two hours beside a whole bunch of people at a football match. So there’s that too.

    The NWO conspiracy option doesn’t work for me, though.

    BTW even wearing a washable cotton mask with a couple of layers of fabric filters out about 90% of the virus. ((mine have a sort of open pocket where you can insert something else – I’m waiting for some non-woven interfacing from Amazon for that and to incorporate in those that I make myself).

    It doesn’t stop you getting it, but it certainly helps you not transmit it if you cough or sneeze, and it may also get people like me a lower load which might mean the difference between living and dying if (when) we get it. Wouldn’t you do that small thing for your fellow citizens? Is that a horrendous limitation on your personal freedom? If lots of people wear one it slows down the overall transmission rate. My husband is wearing non-medical-grade masks now in shops, and in buses and taxis, out of consideration for other people, because he’s working with Covid patients, albeit not at the intensity of a Covid ward.

  337. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 7:01 am #

    Majella

    “No wonder – it’s from the “Daily Mail”. Who’d have thunk it?”

    The Daily Mail has form.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDXuM02WkAESK0g.jpg

  338. stelmosfire April 26, 2020 at 7:28 am #

    What’s the difference between Dubai & Abu Dhabi?
    Answer: People in Dubai don’t like the Flintstones
    but people in Abu Dhabi doooooo.

  339. Pucker April 26, 2020 at 8:10 am #

    What’s the storyline of the next exciting episode of “Skank Squad”?

    The ass kicking Skanks bust up an illegal hillbilly Meth lab run by some rough looking, mysognist hillbillies who are not properly Social Distancing.

  340. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 8:26 am #

    SSL

    https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/RecycledClotheShop?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=795195327

    Get creative, have some fun, make some money. 🙂

  341. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 8:35 am #

    StE

    “Answer: People in Dubai don’t like the Flintstones
    but people in Abu Dhabi doooooo.”

    I got a smile out of the old man with that one. 🙂

  342. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 8:42 am #

    Majella

    “Just to be clear GA, it appears Skorenzy believes you were referring to him… Are you?”

    You are right. I wasn’t referring to Skorenzy!

    I didn’t see his post – have missed chunks of them because of the current layout and the time difference. What narcissism, eh – everything has to be about him!

  343. BackRowHeckler April 26, 2020 at 8:49 am #

    If Kim Jong-un is dead, and his sister takes over, will she institute a feminine foreign policy, like Sweden? Pants suits may come back in fashion, like Mao jackets on college campuses in 1970. I could see a feminist domestic policy in NKorea too, but that’ll take time. Perhaps she’ll open up the borders to Islam, like Sweden, Germany and Minnesota have done. I can see the day when the Call to Prayer wafts across the 38th parallel, and NKorean women, like women in Sweden, have to import men from Latin America for suitable husbands, their own Swedish men neutered to the point of being worthless.

    Brh

  344. thwack April 26, 2020 at 9:36 am #

    elysianfield

    the big fat shill

    talkin out his ass

    gonna get himself killed

  345. PeteAtomic April 26, 2020 at 9:45 am #

    ” Perhaps she’ll open up the borders to Islam, like Sweden, Germany and Minnesota have done.”

    BRH:

    We’ve got maybe 50-100,000 somali ppl living here in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis, and much smaller community in St.Cloud, Minnesota.
    It’s difficult to know how many of them live here. Their numbers seem to vary pretty wildly. A few years ago thousands of somali people crossed into Manitoba illegally out of fear of being deported. It was so bad that that the Canadian government needed an information campaign out of its consulate in Minneapolis to tell somali people it wasn’t a “free ride” in Canada (LOL! it is, or course).

    The two largest non-Euro communities in Minnesota are the somali, and the Hmong. The Hmong are from south east Asia, and were anti-Communist in the 60s/70s, which led to their expulsion.

    The Hmong are happy go lucky people, very hard working, productive, pursue education, and generally mix & assimilate just fine into the broader community.

    The somali don’t. They want nothing to do with where they live outside their neighborhood. Their businesses largely cater to themselves. They don’t generally pursue education. They maintain their tribal views & attitudes. They aren’t interested in learning the english language generally. They are an alien people, simply stated.

  346. thwack April 26, 2020 at 9:47 am #

    Janos Skorenzy
    April 26, 2020 at 2:41 am #
    The Australoids, hugging the tropical Indian Ocean never had to get smarter and guess what? They didn’t. They IQ is even lower than the Black IQ of 70.

    **********************

    As stupid and ignorant as black people may be; we continue to refuse to buy into the tranny, faggot, 57 genders… nonsense white people have fallen for.

    I guess its possible to be too smart for your own good?

  347. thwack April 26, 2020 at 9:52 am #

    PeteAtomic
    April 26, 2020 at 9:45 am #

    The somali don’t. They want nothing to do with where they live outside their neighborhood. Their businesses largely cater to themselves. They don’t generally pursue education. They maintain their tribal views & attitudes. They aren’t interested in learning the english language generally. They are an alien people, simply stated.

    *******************

    Do they send their children to tranny story time hour?

    How many genders do they believe in?

  348. BackRowHeckler April 26, 2020 at 10:08 am #

    Thwack you make some pretty good points.

  349. thwack April 26, 2020 at 10:29 am #

    Im a Holocough denier too.

    People who support the lockdown are composed of:

    1. wealthy people who don’t need to work and can ride it out.

    2. People who collect some kind of government check; and thus can ride it out. (social security and welfare payments… continue to flow)

    3. So called “essential workers” who now have greater leverage and bargaining power since the lockdown has crushed their competition.

    4. Old people and those with co morbidities….

    People who oppose the lockdown consist of:

    1. Young people, healthy people… (do you even lift bro?)

    2. Working class people who lost their jobs and have been reduced to niggerdom.

    3. People whom have had their work defined as “non essential”

    I oppose the lockdown because no virus ever called me Vietcong.

  350. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    Majella

    You might like this – ‘If Gollum voted Tory’.

    Gollum wants PPE…

    If you vote Tory you don’t need to pay for the NHS, you just … CLAP!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iprf9n5ht14

  351. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 10:35 am #

    Where I am (as, I presume, in the US) people over 60 or 65, depending where it is, get free bus travel…No, no free ride.

    A N D

    What narcissism, eh – everything has to be about him!…

    Wrong, that is grandiosity, making the grand entrance, story topping etc.
    Narcs are people who are grandiose and try to run your life. At least thats what a PhD clinician told me as he explained the difference.

    Narcs usually were very spoiled children.

  352. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    They are an alien people, simply stated.

    Thanks, Pete.

    Or, They are an alien people, simply stated. Thats why Barry dumped so many of them in Maine [land of White people].

    Iowa is too White [Greenspans ugly wife said that].

  353. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 10:57 am #

    malthuss

    “No, no free ride.”

    Well, that’s a shame for those without the means for a lot of independent travel. I’m sure your wealthy wouldn’t deign to get on a bus anyway – we don’t have quite so much of that attitude here, fortunately, so buses are . Only berks don’t want to be seen on a bus.

    But for the less well off, it helps keep them healthy (except during an epidemic, obviously). Keeps them active and not spending your tax dollars on Medicare.

  354. wwg1wga April 26, 2020 at 10:58 am #

    Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

    http://www.got-truth.com/docs/Meditations%20of%20Marcus%20Aurelius.pdf

  355. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    Sorry ‘so buses are quite heterogeneous’.

  356. Pucker April 26, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    The Taiwanese TV news reports that according to the Steve Bannon show someone from the Wuhan P4 biohazard lab has fled China. This should be interesting….

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UkJbCbgZxog

  357. akmofo April 26, 2020 at 11:40 am #

    The truth wins?
    An anonymous painter from Northern Europe (circa 1630) presents the truth as a woman holding scales. Through the mirror, she absorbs and judges the idols of life.
    The Romans used to comfort themselves that “the truth wins” (Vincit veritas). But was there any truth?
    The American pragmatist Charles Sanders Peirce distinguished between “scientific truth”, which can be proved by technological standards, and “abstract beliefs” that cannot be scientifically proven. So what is a true belief? The one that can be proved from time to time, and therefore truth is only a matter of time.
    The next generation of pragmatists, for example William James, expanded the definition of Peirce, according to which faith is true if it brings “benefit” to those who believe in it. The truth of this approach is therefore relative to a certain person, time and place, and it is not absolute. If, for example, a certain belief brings a better world – it is true. And what if it conflicts with reality outside? It doesn’t matter, because over time, according to Pierce, reality will adapt itself to the “beneficial” truth. History will adapt itself to human benefit, not the other way around.
    Pierce and James influenced generations ahead on the “study” of the “social sciences” and the humanities, believing that there is no longer one empirical truth, and everything is relative and subjective. Truth can be engineered, and there are in fact infinite truths. This is postmodernism, the progressive conceptions of “social centralism”, the French school of L’École des Annales, and is now the basis for historical “research” in universities. Hence every claim is “true” and thus we go right back to the darkness of the Vatican Dark Ages.
    Without a blink, while reading from the reporter, Barack Obama solemnly proclaimed: “We are fortunate to live in the most peaceful, prosperous, and most advanced era in the history of human history.” And he continued: “Given the challenges we face in the world, and the headlines we see every day, that seems unlikely, but that is the truth.”
    We are fortunate to be living in the most peaceful, most prosperous, most progressive era in human history..
    About half a million Syrians died in horrific deaths, much of which humanity has not seen in hundreds of years: organ tearing, burning, freezing, torture , sex mutalation death, and what not. About five million refugees, and millions of homes and “state” infrastructures that will no longer be restored, because as the cost is unimaginable.
    The civil war is back in full force, but in harsher conditions, since during the truce (another lie) all parties were warming up. Bashar’s army commits genocide and ethnic cleansing not been seen since World War II, and entire populations are extinct: either exterminated or deported. Whole evidence is erased. The “Nakba” festival we know here, in Syria and Iraq, thousands of Nakba occur, and have for years.
    Contrary to Obama’s “truth,” the Islamic State organization has only strengthened, and today has a presence in 22 states. He has chemical weapons of mass destruction that it uses, and also the army of Bashar.
    Bashar’s planes bomb Aleppo. Does it stop anyone from supporting him staying in power? No. The main thing is that the “peace talks” continue. And from the talking dead in Syria, the “traitor son” gets lots of juicy curses. He, the Iranians, and the Russian swine and dogs. “This is where your grave will be”, they cry from their collapsed homes.
    Syria today has fighters from about 100 countries, most notably Iran, Hezbollah, Russians, Americans, Europeans, and foreign legion armies from around the world. The intensity of the fighting is at its peak, and hundreds of thousands are abandoning their towns in horror.
    Syria adds to the waves of wars in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and more, so that since the “Arab Spring”, 700,000 were already killed in the “Arab world”.
    The immediate effect is on Europe, to which millions are moving, and will do everything to move to. Not only that, following the atrocities in Africa and the economic and social collapse there, millions also move from black Africa to the continent of Europe. Everyone already has a relative there to pick him up, and if he doesn’t, he’ll be the one to pick up the next one. The migration momentum through the Mediterranean is leaping as the sea calms down, and by next month it is expected to reach massive highs of many thousands every day, like last year. Tens of thousands are trapped in Greece, under shocking conditions, and hundreds of thousands are in transit in Libya, under the slavery of jihadist militias or the various governments there. Tens of thousands of children who have already reached Europe have been kidnapped by gangs, and sold to slavery. Per usual, Europe pretend not to know.
    With no way to exist, tens of thousands set up mafia organizations in Europe, and crime leaps to levels that have never been seen there. The famous Sicilian mafia is being pushed out by new mafia organizations, especially from Black Africa (for example, Gambia). The elimination of the local mafia by the new mafia is in full progress as their teen assassins are always released from custody by the police. The Mayor of Palermo, one Lucca Orlando: “Palermo is no longer an Italian city, not even European. You can walk in the city and feel that you are in Istanbul or Beirut. ”
    Due to the need to fund the millions of refugees and migrant workers, the European economy is on the verge of collapse. As is the political structure Obama so dearly loved: “the EU”. Severe Left-Right violence between the locals and the new infiltrators, a severe sense of uncertainty, fear and frustration, make for a time bomb.
    Africa is also exploding on Europe. Jihadi religious wars lead to tens of thousands of dead. In a year, a collapse of wide areas to poverty and misery will hasten immigration to the North and West. And so hundreds of thousands will move to Europe and the United States. Last year, about 2,000 Africans drowned in the Mediterranean. Precisely because of the prosperity that Obama was talking about, their attraction is even more intense.
    How important it was for Obama to set up another African country! South Sudan! Now collapsed in a war of annihilation, death, and famine. Since independence, some 50,000 people have been killed there, the main thing being “independence”. And then where do migrants go? You guess.
    Suddenly the Europeans realized that the world shrinking. There is no longer a distance between Europe and Africa or Asia. And those who once took over the rest of the world are now taken over by that same rest of the world. They wanted a world without boundaries, and now they are left naked with nothing.
    Arab states have become one big lament, most have collapsed, or no longer exist. The worst situation is in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Sudan, then Egypt, Lebanon, Algeria and Tunisia. Oil money has been artificially holding these states, but they already feel the fire of corpses calling for their rulers, whether it is Shiite or ISIS.
    The term “Arab world” no longer exists, and the fictitious “Arab League” has become even more imagined, a sad subsidiery of the Egyptian foreign ministry. Egypt as a regional state has sunk in its bitterness; Saudi Arabia has made a lot of noise against Iran, but it is scared and distressed. And many residents of these countries feel they have no choice but to leave. And Jordan? Degeerate refugee cage. And Lebanon? A stinking mountain of uncollected trash where nobody wants to stay.
    Stability in Egypt? No! Everything is starting all over again. Thousands of demonstrations in Egypt’s cities against Sissy “the traitor” who “sold Egypt to Saudi Arabia”. The “Jewish son” sold us. The transfer of Egyptian sovereignty over both islands to Saudi Arabia is the reason for the disappointment in Sissy. Indeed, the slogan is again shouted “The people want the overthrow of the regime”. The FaceBook page “I want to emigrate” has become one of the most popular in Egypt. And where to immigrate? You can already guess.
    Arab states have become imagined entities. But have they ever been true?
    Falsehood is magic, truth is fact. But what is the difference between reality and hallucination? Between truth and “truth”? The distance. In the distance everything looks magical, until when you come to see the bias. So why talk about the problems? We can talk about the “most peaceful era” above the podium at a festive conference, and gain more sympathy from those who cling to delusions. Yes, we can! Obama!
    Why talk about social collapse, bitter immigrants, jihad and terrorism? It is better to see coronations of black gods, princes and princesses. It works!
    Handel’s King Solomon’s coronation by “Zadok HaCohen”, rolled into London. Interestingly, Maimonides claimed that the descendants of Tzadok Hacohen “opinionated the hearts of the people.” And Obama? He seemed to leave a legacy of an era of prosperity, love and world peace. It was a flood of blood.
    The ceasefire in Ukraine, within Europe, does not actually exist. It is imagined as the Syrian ceasefire, but Europe is comfortable pretending it exists. The firefights are being heard in the eastern provinces of Ukraine, a country that has given up its nuclear weapons, with a firm belief that the United States and the West will defend it. Of course she was wrong. Meanwhile, this country is also collapsing in corruption, poverty, and even hunger.
    As a result of Russian ambitions, border states, once part of the Soviet Union, are alarmed, whether Baltic, Polish, or others. The conflicts in Nagorno Karabah, Georgia, Syria and more, are not going well. Number of killed in Ukraine: about ten thousand, and millions have become refugees. Abandoned cities and villages, famine, abductions, torture.
    The United Nations is irrelevant. The United Nations was irrelevant to the nuclear conflict with Korea, the conflicts with Iran (a guaranteed Russian veto), China’s dangerous conflicts with Japan, the nuclear conflict of India and Pakistan, and more. It is clear that the United Nations has no ability to deal with rising jihadism all over the world, with millions of deaths, displacement and despair. Because dictatorial or totalitarian countries have a solid majority in the United Nations, including in human rights organizations, so the UN has been effectively eliminated.
    The American and world economy was described as being in good shape, but this is also a form of “truth”. America lives from loans (US $ 20 trillion debt), printing money, phantom buying of securities, and a variety of other financial scams. Stock exchanges in the world have broken away from reality: the worse is the world, the better the stock exchanges, because the more the tendency is to lower interest rates, and more the money flows to the stock exchanges. The stock exchanges live in the “most prosperous world in the history”. They live in Obama’s world.
    We now understand that it is convenient for world leaders to invent imaginary anchors, a kind of utopia, and to cling to them at all costs: “Syria peace process”, “Syria reconstruction”, “Libyan unity government”, “Yemen reconciliation talks”, “Minsk ceasefire agreement in Ukraine” , Or “EU”. In practice, all of these are completely empty.
    And Obama’s “truth” is actually the MSM truth. We are truly fortunate to live in the most peaceful, prosperous, and most advanced age of our history. Commies worms must guard this “truth” so that it will keep us safe from the truth.

  358. SoftStarLight April 26, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

    Alba thank you for the continued car reer advice lol ;-). Oh and Majella thanks for the unrequested help on the site. Since you are worried Alba I will let you know that I actually have a couple of gigs going right now to make ends meet. I’ve gotten busier since the “lockdown” believe it or not. And while I never did take a civil engineering class I did teach myself how to use QuickBooks. 🙂

    PS. Maj, I would love to whip up a nutria casserole for you anyday so please do swing by the bayou bait shop anytime! The boys can take you gator hunting afterwards.

  359. Q. Shtik April 26, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    Q: You are confusing Snooker with Billiards. – Janos

    =============

    Wrong! I am not the least confused. Having played billiards (and pocket billiards, aka ‘pool’) for more than 50 years I surely know the difference.

  360. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    Thwack

    Social security is not welfare. People pay taxes for forty plus years to have a “retirement” account enforced for them. Why? Because they were too stupid before the advent of SS to create their own retirements. It’s was also to get older folks to retire and clear the way for the kids, the big spenders. If it wasn’t for the stupidity of the elders, you would not need SS. As it is, right now, we probably need it more than ever.
    The millennials need to get the elders out of the way to get their space in the economy. My suggestion was retire everyone 60 and over, give them SS and Medicare, and hire in the kids. Economy problem solved and the country opens up.

    Is niggerdom a Thwack kingdom? I assume you are equating poverty with Black folks. How about po’ whites and first generation migrants. How about wealthy Blacks, that the Black community calls Uncle Toms instead of holding them up for the next generation to emulate. Do you think there is self created problem that freezes Blacks in place? I acknowledge the existence of a ult right group that stirs the pot, but it is really minute. Why do Blacks believe what The nutty Whites say about them and shape their society accordingly? Why does Chicago stay the way it is in spite of the fact it is a Black monopoly? Is Chicago niggerdom?

  361. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

    An interesting thought.

    How is the virus going to change us permanently? The longer the societal reaction sits in place, the more changes in reaction will become permanent.

    Will the handshake become a fossil? Will fist bumps become permanent? Or will people acknowledge each other with a bow from a safe distance, like Japan?

    I have noticed that stores are putting home entertainment out front, like games. Will we see a return to the home and family as a result?

    The next High will be fascinating!

  362. thwack April 26, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

    Under the laws of social distancing; can an unrelated man and woman legally get married?

    and if so, can they legally “consummate that marriage?

    Because as far as I can tell, under the laws of social distancing, its illegal to touch another person you don’t live with in the same house?

    If its illegal to dance with a woman, then by logical progression, its also illegal to marry her and and produce a child with her?

    Or am I thinking like a nigger?

  363. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

    SSL

    Sorry, didn’t mean to suggest you needed to do anything extra – just looked like a fun opportunity, given your skills.

  364. akmofo April 26, 2020 at 1:32 pm #

    Or am I thinking like a nigger?
    ==
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1254308302319542272

  365. akmofo April 26, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

    The master plan revealed:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWix9xTWsAcysdP?format=jpg&name=small

  366. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

    Thwack

    “Or am I thinking like a nigger?”

    Bizarrely, you’re thinking just like Janos.

    And it looks like even over your way you can still get married, just not with 300 guests.

    https://hvmag.com/coronavirus-covid-19-hudson-valley/wedding-married-officiant/

  367. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

    There doesn’t seem to be an SSL site. Sad! Was I snookered by that beast Majella? She’s always “had it in” for SSL! WHY?

  368. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 1:45 pm #

    John Az: The Civil Rights coup alienated countless Whites. White “Racism” or self esteem and love for one’s own people IS the natural state and WAS the philosophy of Old America. You bought the revisionist Lie, sold by the alien media and the Liberals you supposedly despise.

    Thwack is down for his people. I respect that. Believe it or not, many Blacks would respect me more than you. Not putting your own people first isn’t just wrong, it’s weird and decadent. A Sin if you will.

  369. Nightowl April 26, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

    “These two doctors give an excellent presentation […]”

    ——————————————————————–

    I posted that earlier in the thread. They utterly destroy the McMedia narrative, which is almost entirely political.

  370. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

    BTW, for those insistent that ‘it’s mostly flu’ and wrongly credited to Covid, we were expecting a serious flu season this year, following Australia’s experience (as Cargill pointed out, this is the best we have to go on for the strain and the severity in any particular year) but it didn’t materialise. No conspiracy theories required, this being a less excitable country, but the anticipated serious flu season didn’t happen to come about (it happens, thankfully…), despite the enthusiastic vaccination campaign in anticipation of it (still 100% voluntary, so no conspiracy theories required there either – and it’s only specifically advised for under-fives, over-65s, and those with asthma or other conditions likely to make them vulnerable).

    Alba

    She doesn’t get that they’re calling the Flu “Covid” so that’s why the Flu is so low this year. I’m not saying they’re the same, but that the Elite are artificially amping up the all important Covid number, their boogey man with which to scare the children.

    In her denial of her own race, she is like the mestiza, Jessica Alba.

  371. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 2:00 pm #

    JohnAZ

    “Will the handshake become a fossil? Will fist bumps become permanent? Or will people acknowledge each other with a bow from a safe distance, like Japan?”

    Maybe I’m completely deluded but I just see things like that going entirely back to the way they used to be. Memories are short. I’ll have a lot of hugs to catch up on with my grandson if I’m still here next year. Before he gets to the age of not wanting hugs.

    My daughter’s been over a few times to talk to me from the front gate while I sit on the step. She says people look more relaxed around the streets than even a few days ago, although I presume that other than couples and families they aren’t actually hugging one another. Not that I don’t see people myself when I’m out but I’m not travelling quite as far as she is and it’s quiet round here.

  372. thwack April 26, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

    Greenebola,

    if you duct tape yourself up in trash bags, and make it airtight; you could probably get a 30 second hug from your grand churin before you pass out.

    Justt sayin

  373. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    Sorry to disappoint you, Janos, but the normal flu season started here well before Covid got here and there was hardly any flu. There still isn’t.

    And if you go to hospital here, you get an actual Covid test. But not so much in the thousands of cases of care-home and community deaths in England that haven’t been counted yet in the death tally (assumptions based on percentage of Covid deaths in care homes in other UK nations/provinces and European countries).

    “In her denial of her own race, she is like the mestiza, Jessica Alba.”

    That seems to be a coda you have to add to any comment on anything, like those annoying and cloying little truisms some people add to the end of all their emails. Get a life.

  374. GreenAlba April 26, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

    Thanks, Thwack, I’ll bear that in mind as a last resort.

  375. Nightowl April 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

    Jelly to Janos: ” You wouldn’t have made such a stupid and simple error if you’d actually BEEN to the site and READ ”

    ——————————————————

    I have no stake in this, but I seem to recall owning Maj multiple times for this very error (no doubt made in a rage) during the em-peachment hearings.

    Maj disappeared for a good long while after that.

    LOL.

  376. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

    JS: Shut down the World’s Economy and millions of people die. Pretty clear, right? Nope – that’s how dumb people are. Democracy? Disproven and Contraindicated – just like Globalism and just in time delivery.

    CNN

    The world is facing multiple famines of “biblical proportions” in just a matter of months, the UN has said, warning that the coronavirus pandemic will push an additional 130 million people to the brink of starvation.

    Famines could take hold in “about three dozen countries” in a worst-case scenario, the executive director of the World Food Programme (WFP) said in a stark address on Tuesday. Ten of those countries already have more than 1 million people on the verge of starvation, he said.

    He cited conflict, an economic recession, a decline in aid and a collapse in oil prices as factors likely to lead to vast food shortages, and urged swift action to avert disaster.

    “While dealing with a Covid-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley told the UN’s security council. “There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of Covid-19 than from the virus itself.”

    The WFP had already warned that 2020 would be a devastating year for numerous countries ravaged by poverty or war, with 135 million people facing crisis levels of hunger or worse. Their updated projections nearly double that number.…

    The agency identified 55 countries most at risk of being plunged into famine in its annual report on food crises, released this week, warning that their fragile healthcare systems will be unable to cope with the impact of the virus.

    “These countries may face an excruciating trade-off between saving lives or livelihoods or, in a worst-case scenario, saving people from the coronavirus to have them die from hunger,” the report said.

    Ten countries were singled out as particularly at-risk, after housing the worst food crises last year; Yemen, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ethiopia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Nigeria and Haiti.

    Most of those countries have so far been spared the worst of the coronavirus pandemic, with the epicenter moving from China to Europe to North America, but the state of their healthcare institutions means even relatively small outbreaks could be devastating. To date, more than 2.5 million cases of the coronavirus have been confirmed globally.

    JS: Saving lives vs the Economy? The Economy is our life. It’s the stupidest slogo ever.

    The Media gloat over the fat Black Bus driver who complained about passengers coughing on him. Why didn’t they mandate that fatso were a mask? Did they want him to die? Or was this back in the “masks are useless if not dangerous” stage?

    The Media is also gloating about ministers getting Covid and dying as well. They are ghouls just like Liberals in general.

  377. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

    Night Owl: I spelled Fleming wrong, spelling Ian’s name with two m’s. She corrected my spelling and then googled the misspelled name and announced triumphantly, See? There’s nothing there. In contrast, I humbly accepted her correction and googled the correctly spelled name and found the site.

    My Conclusion? She has a very convoluted mentality, one that is conflict based and indifferent to the Truth.

  378. SoftStarLight April 26, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

    Its simple. I chose to wear a sundress when I woke up. Its so beautiful and sunny today. She stayed in her jammies and didn’t even brush her hair. I already offered to do her hair and nails. Whatever.

  379. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

    JS: Apparently a new Constitution was developed decades ago. Obama talked a lot about how flawed our current one is, but I don’t know if knew about this or if it is still in possible play. A scary document, much talk about “privileges” but none about rights. Emergency is mentioned constantly, so such privileges will constantly being cancelled. The historical states will be cancelled, replaced by Federal Zones basically. I assume if it won’t be this one, it will be something quite similar in any case.

    A CONSTITUTION FOR THE NEWSTATES OF AMERICA
    Review by Dr. Peter David Beter, political economist, author and lecturer (deceased)

    In 1964, the writing of a new constitution for America began, at a tax-exempt foundation with the misleading name, Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions.

    The people who took it upon themselves to write this new constitution on our behalf were, of course, not elected representatives, or in any other way our representatives. As a tax-exempt foundation, they were able to do political work on what amounts to a subsidy taken from your taxes, but you and I were never asked if we wanted a new constitution written. Indeed, only a very tiny fraction of the people in the United States even know that it exists: it has been made known to practically no one except a select category of influential people whose views and interest generally coincide with those of the people who wrote it. The American people as a whole are still in the dark about it, and this situation is deliberate. It is therefore truly a “secret” constitution.

    This model constitution took ten years to write, drawing upon the efforts of more than 100 people. A preliminary version was published in 1970 and given exposure in limited circles. But, in 1974, an essentially final version was quietly published in a book entitled THE EMERGING CONSTITUTION by Rexford G. Tugwell (Harper & Row, $20), the man who directed the formulation of the new constitution. It is the fortieth draft. During most of the time that their constitution was being written, the Center for Study of Democratic Institutions was lavishly funded to the tune of $2,500,000 annually.

    DR. BETER’S CRITICAL ANALYSIS

    Certain powerful forces hoped to celebrate our nation’s Bicentennial in 1976 by replacing the freedoms guaranteed in our present Constitution with their own dictatorship – a cleverly disguised dictatorship. It has been made to superficially resemble the government that we have now, so that we will not recognize it for what it is – until too late. They are using every propaganda trick at their command to make us lower our guard. And they are about to put us all in a condition of economic desperation to persuade us to accept their cleverly disguised dictatorship.

    Our U.S. Constitution, according to the Preamble, is intended to provide for justice, domestic tranquility, common defense and general welfare, and to secure the blessings of liberty not only to ourselves, but to our posterity These were the goals that shaped our Constitution. And this is the Constitution that enabled America to become a great nation of free people.

    TWENTY-FIVE YEAR CONSTITUTION

    The Newstates of America Constitution has a Preamble, too – it mentions not one of the objectives of our present Constitution. Instead of “justice and domestic tranquility”, the new constitution seeks only “good order” without defining what that means. The very first words are “So that we may join in common endeavors” – and the body of the new constitution makes it clear that this means an end to individual endeavors. Their new constitution is expressly states to be good only for a prescribed period of 25 years: our posterity is left to fend for itself. No reference is made in the Preamble to our defense or general welfare. Worst of all: the matter of liberty – so central to our present Constitution – is totally ignored in the Preamble of the new one, which seeks only, “an adequate and self-repairing government”. The emphasis throughout their new constitution is on the government – not on the people. “Adequate” turns out to mean: too powerful to be challenged. And “self-repairing” means that the laws and governmental structures can be continually changed and shifted to permit anything our rulers wish to do.

    Before I explore some of the details of their secret new constitution, let me give you a bird’s-eye view: Article I is divided into two parts defining “Rights” and “Responsibilities.” It turns out that some of our present rights disappear outright, and practically all of the rest become conditional and fragile, able to be terminated on the whim of the government. The responsibilities, however, which are obligations of the citizen to the government, are absolute and unconditional.

    TEN FEDERAL REGION NEWSTATES

    Article II defines what are called the “Newstates”. The 50 states we have now become 10 in number. It is no accident that our federal government for the past several years has managed its outlying activities through ten federal regions. These 10 new states will be completely subservient to the federal government and creatures of it. Read The New States Review

  380. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

    Jam is better than Jelly. It has fiber. Jelly is too much like Jello and invertebrates in jeneral.

  381. Nightowl April 26, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

    There’s an evil virus that’s threatening mankind
    Not state of the art, a serious state of the mind
    The muggers, the back stabbers, the two faced elite
    A menace to society, a social disease
    Rape of the mind is a social disorder
    The cynics, the apathy one upmanship order
    Watching beginnings of social decay
    Gloating or sneering at life’s disarray
    Eating away at your own self esteem
    Pouncing on every word that you might be saying
    Rape of the mind is a social disorder
    The cynics, the apathy oneupmanship order
    Superficially smiling a shake of the hand
    As soon as the back is turned, treachery is planned
    Rape of the mind is a social disorder
    The cynics, the apathy oneupmanship order
    Watching beginnings of social decay
    Gloating or sneering at life’s disarray
    When every good thing’s laid to waste
    By all the jealousy and hate
    By all the acid, wit and rapier lies
    And every time you think you’re safe
    And when you go to turn away
    You know they’re sharpening all their papers knives
    All in your mind, all in your head, try to relate it
    All in your mind, all in your head, try to escape it
    Without a conscience they destroy
    And that’s a thing that they enjoy
    They’re a sickness that’s in all our minds
    They want to sink the ship and leave
    The way they laugh at you and me
    You know it happens all the time
    All in your mind, all in your head, try to relate it
    All in your mind, all in your head, try to escape it, yeah
    The rats in the cellar, you know who you are
    The rats in the cellar, you know who you are
    The rats in the cellar, you know who you are
    The rats in the cellar, you know who you are
    Or do you? Or do you? Or do you? Or do you?
    Watching beginnings of social decay

    Eddie got it!

  382. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 3:45 pm #

    Peter Beter

    What a great name – nicknames Skeeter Eater, Cheater Greeter …

    And it turns out he’s a good old-fashioned segregationist and race-baiter!

    From Wikipedia:

    Politically, he was a staunch admirer of ex-Alabama governor George Wallace; Beter also drafted Wallace as the American party candidate in 1973 but numerous Republicans opposed such efforts.[6] Nonetheless, he later became a member of his Draft-Wallace committee.

    Dividing America into more functional regions, and abolishing the states would be a great idea (as it would be in Australia too). In fact such a good idea that it probably will never happen, despite the obvious benefits.

    There are few downsides, if any, and in any case, 37 states were created by Congress … and it hasn’t led to mass enslavement. LOL!

  383. PeteAtomic April 26, 2020 at 4:01 pm #

    “Jam is better than Jelly. It has fiber. Jelly is too much like Jello and invertebrates in jeneral.”

    indubitably!!

  384. Majella April 26, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

    “If Kim Jong-un is dead, and his sister takes over, will she institute a feminine foreign policy…”?

    And what hairstyle might she mandate?

    https://www.pinterest.nz/marigraceelizabeth/weird-haircuts/

  385. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

    Yesterday I failed the Turing test
    Although I gave it my very best.
    The computer became
    More human than I
    Along with reciting a billion digits of pi

    My neurons and synapses zapped and fired
    My body became crazily hot wired
    With ion channels ablaze
    I was trying to be too human
    In so, so many ways

    Its processor became philosopher
    And I became emotional gossamer
    Being of mind, flesh, and blood
    Then its cpu turned guru
    Saying, ‘I am human, what are you?’

    I was helpless against those bits and bytes
    Those circuits coming alive really a fright
    On questions of the heart
    I spoke in true human fashion
    But the computer had lovgorithms and a trillion bytes of passion

    TS

  386. BackRowHeckler April 26, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

    Actually the sister looks pretty normal. Young Kim himself sports a hairstyle popular in eastern Europe c1958 (high and tight)

    Seeing as how Young Kim personally machine gunned his girlfriend, her family, and a family friend in his office, blew up his uncle with an AA round, and poisoned his brother, the sister most likely is happy she is still above ground, and in one piece.

    It will be interesting to see what happens if Kim is dead. The main question for me is will China permit the two Koreas to become unified?

    Brh

  387. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 4:39 pm #

    from Business Insider:

    Whole Foods is keeping an eye on stores at risk of unionizing through an interactive heat map, according to five people with knowledge of the matter and internal documents viewed by Business Insider.

    The heat map is powered by an elaborate scoring system, which assigns a rating to each of Whole Foods’ 510 stores based on the likelihood that their employees might form or join a union.

    The stores’ individual risk scores are calculated from more than two dozen metrics, including employee “loyalty,” turnover, and racial diversity; “tipline” calls to human resources; proximity to a union office; and violations recorded by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

    The map also tracks local economic and demographic factors such as the unemployment rate in a store’s location and the percentage of families in the area living below the poverty line.

    The stores’ scores on each metric are fed into the heat map, which is a geographic illustration of the United States peppered with red spots to indicate high-risk Whole Foods stores.

    The heat map reveals how Whole Foods is using technology and data to help manage its vast workforce of more than 95,000 employees.

    This would also seem to suggest that it benefits the company to have a high rate of employee turnover, from a population with high poverty and unemployment.

    If everyone is poor and nobody has a job, employees should be less willing to risk their jobs by trying to form unions. If employees are turning over constantly, there will be no community relationships, no sense of solidarity to form the basis for collective organization.

    Whole Foods’ heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks

    The second group of metrics in the scoring system, called store risks, aren’t a direct cause of risk “but can predispose a store to risk,” according to documents.

    Store-risk metrics include average store compensation, average total store sales, and a “diversity index” that represents the racial and ethnic diversity of every store. Stores at higher risk of unionizing have lower diversity and lower employee compensation, as well as higher total store sales and higher rates of workers’ compensation claims, according to the documents.…

    Research shows unionized workers tend to earn higher wages and are more likely to have access to certain benefits like employer-sponsored healthcare.

    Anglin: The joke here is that even anti-racist right wing populists like Alex Jones, and boilerplate left-wing socialists and communists, all agree with this data. But they claim that it is racism, not race, which is the wedge used to divide the working people.

    Well, you can’t have one without the other.

    The racial diversity preventing unionization in grocery stores is the difference between white people and brown people who have each grown up in a racially integrated school system, and who have all been taught from a very young age, both in education and the media, that racism is bad.

    There is nothing more that can be done to teach people not to be racist. And still, they do not naturally form a community that is as capable of organizing to advance its own interests, as well as would a community where everyone has the same racial background.

    That is because we developed in a tribal setting, and have been molded by millions of years of evolution to be more trusting of people who look like they are related to us.

    People don’t think evolutionary psychology be like it is, but it do.

    The anti-racist solution is to just shame people for their human nature and to believe that, one day, this problem will magically disappear. These are largely the same people who used to say that, under Marxist socialism, the state would one day disappear and leave behind a workers’ paradise, true communism, which has never been tried.

    When they tell you that “America is still a racist country” after having institutionalized anti-racism since the 1960s, what they are really trying to say is that “true anti-racism has never been tried.”

    If Jeff Bezos really cared about his Whole Foods employees, he would just have his white employees work in white area stores, and his brown employees work in brown area stores. Everyone would be happier this way.

    JS: The Left is against Unionization and the social capital that comes from homogeneity that helps create it. Who needs Unions now that the Left controls the State? Uh, the workers do. The Workers? Who are they? Fuck them whoever they are.

  388. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

    Janos

    You and I will never agree on something, never. It is the responsibility and obligation of every person, regardless of ethnicity to compete and try to succeed in life. The US is the first country in the world to start the trend toward this ideal. The Left gives us a song and dance about being colorblind, but it a bunch of crap. They work the power game from the other side, setting minorities against Whites and each other to acquire power. The Right ignores the issue. The ult right is nuts with hate.

    When people become gimme people, they feel they are owed something, they lose their self respect.

    So Whites and everyone else must learn to co-exist in this country. They do not have a clue how to do it. Four hundred years together and we are still two nations inside one.

    And no, I do not think that Thwack thinks I am wrong for believing that ev

  389. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 4:59 pm #

    Everyone deserves an even chance at success at whatever their God given talent is. And that I am neutral on the issue.

  390. akmofo April 26, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

    20,000 Dinosaurs Buried in Noah’s Flood – Dr. Arthur Chadwick

    https://youtu.be/QcUsooi4vDo
    .
    Taphonomist Arthur Chadwick shows us his collection of 20,000 fossils, including those from Edmontosaurus, Triceratops, Nanotyrannus, and Tyrannosaurus rex, gathered from Hanson Ranch in Wyoming. He also explains his unique findings in tracing paleocurrents from a worldwide Flood. Part of the “Beyond Is Genesis History?” series.

    Learn more at: https://isgenesishistory.com

  391. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

    Blacks, along with a few whites, have a great union in the NFL.

  392. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

    John: Your proposition nation depends of “proposition People”, people denuded of their human nature, both higher and lower. Thwack might pretend to agree with you since he wants Whites to be weak so they will continue to serve Blacks. But in his heart, he despises you.

  393. Nightowl April 26, 2020 at 5:10 pm #

    “Everyone deserves an even chance at success at whatever their God given talent is. And that I am neutral on the issue.”

    ——————————————————————————-

    What if they don’t have any talents that translate to money? That tends to be a problem.

    The American model works for some, but it is a cruel system. Too imbalanced.

    One example that always comes up again and again (assuming the people in question were born with enough gifts to be able to earn a steady paycheck) is healthcare.

    One serious issue could bankrupt you. As in you lose everything, depending on your insurance.

    How does that have a place in any society, let alone the US? I speak from experience on this issue, too. I can’t imagine returning to US healthcare.

  394. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 5:12 pm #

    ‘So Whites and everyone else must learn to co-exist in this country. They do not have a clue how to do it. Four hundred years together and we are still two nations inside one.’

    Do you have a clue? I’d like to hear it.

  395. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

    ‘One serious issue could bankrupt you. As in you lose everything, depending on your insurance.

    How does that have a place in any society, let alone the US?’

    The greed that comes with power. How many Covid patients will face that prospect? The ill will always get the bill, count on it.
    We continue, without end, to truckle before the caduceus.

  396. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm #

    Tucsonspur

    Nope, do not have a clue. Ethnocentrism, the second deadly sin, seems to overwhelm things.

    The reason the groups do not mix together is because they do not want to. Chicago was fascinating when I went to nursing school there. They are a city of neighborhoods. Each neighborhood is a predominate ethnic group, to the point of being entry points for immigration. No desire to mix.

    So if people want to stay separate, let them. So where does the friction come from? Why can’t people just live where they want? What causes the hatred we are seeing? Gee, maybe it is all the firebrands like the Dems, Jesse, Al, that are always firing up the troops. And the opposing hate groups just join right in.

    Just legalize Marijuana, get everyone high and mellow, problem solved!!

  397. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 5:43 pm #

    Yes, ethnocentrism, something innate. You were honest. I don’t think anybody has a clue. Like some problems in math, this one also remains insoluble, except for the unlikely, drastic solutions.

  398. JohnAZ April 26, 2020 at 5:46 pm #

    Interesting study on the virus. Someone is using their head for once.

    Why does it seem to rip everyone up so much, why so many symptoms?

    The binding receptor is called ace2. It is a blood pressure controlling receptor that reacts to an enzyme that originates in the kidneys. It is everywhere.

    The lungs, both in surfactant and alveolar cells, the pharynx, the nose, the stomach, the intestines, the kidneys, the brain, nerves, smooth muscles in arteries, and the internal lining cells in veins and arteries. Each site is capable of being attacked by this virus. Inflammation will arise at each site. Lots and lots of attack points.

    Symptoms showing up include nausea and diarrhea, loss of senses, purple bruising on toes, blood clotting leading to stroke, pneumonia, sore throat, coughing, sneezing, kidney failure. The blood clotting and bruising seems to affect younger folks.

    For people predisposed, this is a killing machine.

  399. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

    ‘Ah, Love! could you and I with Fate conspire
    To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
    Would we not shatter it to bits–and then
    Re-mold it nearer to the Heart’s Desire!’

  400. Majella April 26, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

    Herr Selbstgefällig

    “I have no stake in this, but I seem to recall owning Maj multiple times for this very error (no doubt made in a rage) during the em-peachment hearings.

    Maj disappeared for a good long while after that.

    LOL.”

    Two imaginary events – ‘owning me’ and my ‘disappearance’. Your internal dialogue must be most interesting.

  401. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 6:25 pm #

    20,000 Dinosaurs Buried in Noah’s Flood – Dr. Arthur Chadwick

    Yep – lots of dinosaur bones have been recovered in Wyoming and Montana – for good reason. The last ice age (and probably several before that over the past two million years) churned up the ground most severely – look at all those lakes across the northern states and most of Canada.

    Lots of dinosaur bones (fossils) exist as a result of their universal extinction 65 million years ago, following the asteroid impact. And when the ice melted fairly suddenly about 15,000 years ago there were huge flood events right around the edges of all ice sheets.

    There is some conjecture that the huge flooding, plus sea-level rise – are the “genesis” of the Noachian flood mythology, variations of which are found in many religious brands and creation myths around the world.

    Check out the Missoula Floods, and the gouging out of the Columbia River Gorge in Washington state – it’s a truly remarkable story, and a wonderful drive from Spokane to Astoria in Oregon. Amazing.

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_floods

  402. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 6:30 pm #

    Janos,

    Dak Prescott Says Being Biracial Has Helped Him Lead The Cowboys.

    His mom [very fat] died young, as did his brother.

    see–utube–gematria effect news

  403. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 6:33 pm #

    John Az..go to Zimbabwe and preach your gospel.

    Janos, Whole Foods — lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risk…diversity = non union. How so?

  404. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 6:35 pm #

    Janos–in jeneral?? Jam is sugar. and too tasty to pass up.

  405. BackRowHeckler April 26, 2020 at 6:42 pm #

    JAZ, spare us the gory details, please. haha, just kidding.

    I’m thinking about the Big Screen TV I’m gonna get if my stimuli check ever comes, yessir! One of those big mothers, take up the whole goddam wall. Lady on the news sez Walmart is sold out, but what about Big Lots? I drove by Big Lots last week and there were cars in the lot; they were open, an ‘Essential’ business. I was told — and not sure how true it is — that Big Lots is Essential because it sells groceries too, giant bags of cheese doodles, corn chips, scooter pies, orange soda by the gallon, pork rhines, cases of Hostess cupcakes and twinkies, Little Debbie snacks … all the good stuff!

    Brh

  406. thwack April 26, 2020 at 6:42 pm #

    “If Jeff Bezos really cared about his Whole Foods employees, he would just have his white employees work in white area stores, and his brown employees work in brown area stores. Everyone would be happier this way.”

    ********************

    When Whole Foods first started, I got mistaken as an employee several times. White women would walk up to me and ask where this or that item was…

    Which caused me to wonder “why is everything so expensive if most of the employees are non white?”

  407. Q. Shtik April 26, 2020 at 6:48 pm #

    to truckle – Tucson, 4/26 at 5:20

    ============

    Verb

    to travel by truck

  408. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 7:11 pm #

    Whole Foods — lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risk…diversity = non union. How so?

    There is no “How so?” – it’s just white supremacist blather.

    And the business model is idiotic anyway … far too many business owners see only the price of everything, and never the value.

    There is a lot of credible evidence to suggest that a unionised, reasonably paid, reasonably secure, workforce is a far better asset for owners than having a disgruntled, disorganised mass of casuals and others churning through, with no stake in the job they do or the “career” they could have.

    Much of America was built on a unionised workforce – and made better for it.

  409. Majella April 26, 2020 at 7:21 pm #

    Learn nothing at: https://isgenesishistory.com

  410. elysianfield April 26, 2020 at 7:40 pm #

    Elysianfield talkin out his ass…

    Now Thwack be spittin’ like a real OG,
    But the truth be told, he whiter than me,
    He 6 feet 4, only weigh a buck forty,
    Friends call him “Slim”, wife call him…”Shorty”.
    He drink a Mojito, but he never drank a “40”
    Wears khaki pants, thinks penny loafers “sporty”
    Kids named Buffy, Chad and Virginia,
    Welcome back, Thwack, didn’t know you had it inya….

  411. thwack April 26, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

    Cargill
    April 26, 2020 at 7:11 pm #

    There is a lot of credible evidence to suggest that a unionised, reasonably paid, reasonably secure, workforce is a far better asset for owners than having a disgruntled, disorganised mass of casuals and others churning through, with no stake in the job they do or the “career” they could have.
    ******************************

    Yeah, but I think you are confusing theory with practice?

    I once applied for a job in my field of expertise, and during a phone call with the owner I explained to him that although I was self employed in the same field, I had no problem working as a hourly employee.

    But I suspect he became too comfortable talking with me because he admitted that he intentionally prevents the same crew members from working together; lest they form strong bonds with each other and potentially form some kind of “union” against his obvious exploitation.

    I suspect he though I was a white company owner like he was?

    I also worked for a company where we operated in crews, 3 guys to a truck; and nobody ever wanted the new guy on their crew; so the boss would always put him “new guy” on my crew.

    I was fine with that because my teaching skills were good. But I was highly annoyed that as soon as I got the new guy up to speed, he was taken off my crew and given to the crews that would never take the new guy.

    In other words, my white boss was USING me to train and vett new employees, but I was not being compensated for that work.

    I didn’t know it at the time, but this is one of the ways white supremacists practice racism.

    *be advised*

  412. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 8:10 pm #

    Q, from a Merriam Webster dictionary:

    truckle; bend obsequiously, submit, fawn

  413. tucsonspur April 26, 2020 at 8:28 pm #

    ‘lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risk…diversity = non union. How so?’

    Good question. Cohesion needed, same interests, goals, etc. to unite. Of course poverty, need for job security, etc., can bring together any racially mixed group. No absolutes here.

  414. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 8:33 pm #

    Carguile: Robert Putnam, perhaps America’s greatest sociologist, found that diversity destroyed social capital or the willingness and ability of people to interact with each other. This finding was so far away from the ruling world view of America as a multiracial nation, that the punk actually suppressed his own findings because he was afraid that they would bolster the anti-immigrant position (which of course they do). When he finally did publish them, he dogmatically asserted the value of diversity, based on nothing whatsoever since his findings said the opposite. Thus is the power of Political Correctness – which has far more a hold on People than Communism ever did.

    This all may be alien to you since you’re a Statist and like the idea of everything coming from the top by way of Command as opposed to voluntary association and organization among the people themselves.

  415. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 8:37 pm #

    Here Carguile, from the wiki: Diversity and trust within communities
    See also: Multiculturalism § Criticism
    In recent years, Putnam has been engaged in a comprehensive study of the relationship between trust within communities and their ethnic diversity. His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30,000 people within the United States is that in the short term, other things being equal, more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both among and within ethnic groups. Putnam describes people of all races, sex, socioeconomic statuses, and ages as “hunkering down”, avoiding engagement with their local community as diversity increases. Although limited to American data, his findings run counter to contact hypothesis, which proposes that distrust declines as members of different ethnic groups interact, and conflict theory, which suggests that while distrust among ethnic groups rises with diversity, distrust within ethnic groups should decrease. Putnam found that even when controlling for income inequality and crime rates, two factors which conflict theory states should be prime causal factors in declining inter-ethnic group trust, more diversity is still associated with less communal trust. Further, he found that low communal trust is associated with the same consequences as low social capital. Putnam says, however, that “in the long run immigration and diversity are likely to have important cultural, economic, fiscal, and developmental benefits.”[17]

    Putnam published his data set from this study in 2001[18][19] and subsequently published the full paper in 2007.[17]

    Putnam has been criticized for the lag between his initial study and his publication of his article. In 2006, Putnam was quoted in the Financial Times as saying he had delayed publishing the article until he could “develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity” (quote from John Lloyd of Financial Times).[20] In 2007, writing in City Journal, John Leo questioned whether this suppression of publication was ethical behavior for a scholar, noting that “Academics aren’t supposed to withhold negative data until they can suggest antidotes to their findings.”[21] On the other hand, Putnam did release the data in 2001 and publicized this fact.[22]

    Putnam denied allegations he was arguing against diversity in society and contended that his paper had been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions to universities. He asserted that his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”[23]

    In 2007 he briefly met Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to discuss the role of civil society in the Libyan political context.[24]

    JS: Diversity even lowered trust between people of the same ethnicity. It’s a cancer in the social body. Yet this malevolence is the ruling philosophy of the West.

  416. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

    I didn’t know it at the time, but this is one of the ways white supremacists practice racism. *be advised*

    I hear what you’re saying very clearly thwack, and I agree that there can be a big difference between what I am saying about the benefits of unions, versus pitting employees against each other.

    It seems to me there are four types of unions

    (1) those for highly paid professionals (doctors, lawyers, accountants, academics, and so on) – usually called associations or colleges

    (2) white-collar unions for other skilled workers – public servants, teachers, bank staff, tech, police, nurses, etc (these have been mine)

    (3) those for skilled “manual” labour – truckers, construction, automotive, transport, and a range of jobs in manufacturing and trades

    (4) those for the most vulnerable, where skill requirements are the least – retail, hospitality, fast-food, cleaning, security, outdoor workers in general.

    Different histories and different challenges apply to all these four, but I think the general principle applies … smart bosses realise that paying more for a stable, committed workforce, and allowing organised activity and negotiation with management on decisions … these pay off in the long run.

    But I guess in a vast country like the US, with a huge pool of minimum wage labour available – a lot of bosses don’t care about good principles, or indeed about their workforce.

  417. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

    Trump: “Is there a way to do something like that” – he never said inject lysol. Birx is upset too because now that Trump is gone, the spotlight is off of her.

    As Hunter Thompson said, Generations of swine. It’s Trump’s house, why didn’t he ever clean house and bring in some new media outlets and/or reporters? Why always the same vicious reptiles?

    As Brother Nathaniel said, he should have seized the media and then sold it back to real individuals and groups instead of the current monopoly the by the Six Families of disloyal Elite.

  418. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 8:49 pm #

    I should add that the Australian experience is very different … despite many great similarities in economy and culture.

    We do not have a huge urban “underclass” of African-Americans and Hispanics – basically none at all. Our Indigenous People are much more like Native Americans, although quite a few from this cohort do live integrated lives in cities – but we’re still talking pretty small numbers.

    We have a large group of migrants of course – basically from every country in the world, but with a (recent) predominance of Chinese, Indian, Middle East, and some African nations.

    While many of these do fill the low-wage jobs, they do not pervade into “regular” jobs – almost every single check-out person here is a white student, or otherwise a white working-class person. But our minimum hourly wages are much higher.

  419. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 8:53 pm #

    As Brother Nathaniel said, he should have seized the media and then sold it back to real individuals and groups instead of the current monopoly the by the Six Families of disloyal Elite.

    That’s what dictators do … some of us believe in freedom and democracy, and letting the market do its thing. You really can’t have it both ways … either you love capitalism and deal with its consequences, or you go for greater government intervention.

    As I have said frequently – it’s getting the mix right … Australia (and much of Western Europe and Scandinavia) is far more advanced on this spectrum than the US is.

  420. SoftStarLight April 26, 2020 at 9:32 pm #

    Lol. Oh yeah right. So freedom and democracy is when a bunch of selfish globalist oligarchs own the media. Are you really for sure?

  421. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 9:54 pm #

    Lol. Oh yeah right. So freedom and democracy is when a bunch of selfish globalist oligarchs own the media. Are you really for sure?

    What is the alternative? If you lovers of naked capitalism are really genuine, you must accept that in just about every field, large corporates emerge, consume everything small, and competition goes to zero. That’s how it works.

    If you love capitalism – raw in tooth and claw – then that’s what you get … what alternative do you propose?

  422. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

    Trump has just been voted the dumbest president ever … he doesn’t even know the difference between the “Noble Prize” (for, you know, real stuff) and the Pulitzer Prize for journalism. What a great country! LOL!

  423. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

    This all may be alien to you since you’re a Statist and like the idea of everything coming from the top by way of Command as opposed to voluntary association and organization among the people themselves.

    Actually, I’m very much a bottom-up kinda guy … that’s why I like unions. Checkmate.

  424. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 10:58 pm #

    Cargill: No, you just admitted to SSL you are the opposite. The Snake has bitten its own tail. Capitalism which funded Communism, is now accepted by Communists. Thine own from thine own!

    What is the alternative? Overthrowing them? Have you heard of a writer named Karl Marx….

  425. Cargill April 26, 2020 at 11:19 pm #

    So you’ve gone commie now? Take over the means of production?

    You mob are so inconsistent – you love the capitalist model, but can’t stand the capitalist model! LOL!

  426. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 11:22 pm #

    Guile: No, you’re supposed to the Communist, remember? Our Lady’s heel shall crush your head.

  427. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 11:25 pm #

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roNnka8B4lI

    Laura Ingraham: By Easter it was clear that the hospitals weren’t going to be overwhelmed and that we had enough equipment. The “Curve” had been flattened! But did the media say as much? No, they just doubled down. Now every American has to be kept safe forever and vast new “armies” of tracers and testers have to be formed and enormous new protocols have to be developed.

    We’re obviously being taken for a ride and I, Janos, don’t think we’re going to like we’re they’re taking us.

  428. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 11:30 pm #

    Trust? Diversity in a community?

    I have seen clips of Detroit where Whites clean up trash [volunteers] while Blacks shoot hoops.
    Who left the trash in a Black neighborhood?

  429. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 11:32 pm #

    I should add that the Australian experience is very different …until Chinese take it over 60-40. or 100%.

  430. malthuss April 26, 2020 at 11:36 pm #

    Is n—-rdom a Thwack kingdom?
    I assume you are equating poverty with Black folks. [and why not?].

    How about po’ whites and first generation migrants.

    How about Quebec vs Haiti?

    Whats the poorest and Blackest land in this hemisphere?
    Both Quebec and Haiti got their freedom at the same time.

    Whats the average IQ of a Haitian?
    Why does the Dominican Republic do all it can to keep the Haitians out?

    Someone here, long ago, even noted the Haitians even ruined the French language.

  431. gustafson.robert.22 April 26, 2020 at 11:44 pm #

    one thing that’s inconsistent to me is how often right-leaners who want to hate on diversity and multiculturalism don’t account for the fact that “white” culture and capitalism directly created the contemporary multiculturalist state over centuries…

    Championing the same systems that created what they hate in other words.

  432. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 11:49 pm #

    Son of Gustaf: Don’t get your point. I don’t think we ever said all Whites are good or that our race protects us from Tyranny. Look at Stalin: he was Caucasian even if not a Western European (the usual definition of White).

    We are opting for the best our People have created, not the worst. And remember, the Tribe often pretends to be us when they don’t identify as White at all.

  433. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 11:52 pm #

    SSL: Check out Patriot Nurse – fiery Southern Lady. Don’t know if she’s up on Event 201 but she sure smells the more local crap that’s coming down. Strong Christian too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV7n4KxHH34

  434. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2020 at 11:54 pm #

    Gustafson: Perhaps you remember, some Whites fought a War or two against the Rise of the Global State under the Bankers and Capitalists? Check out the writings, speeches, and doctrines of German National Socialism.

  435. gustafson.robert.22 April 27, 2020 at 12:15 am #

    Skorenzy: 19th, 20th century socialism was so industrialist, so economically modeled after capitalist economies… maybe without that i could take some of it seriously. i cant take most comtemporary “white nationalist” takes seriously either because the economic visions are usually… missing sort of.

    kinda my basic theme here is economics have led to this multiculturalist system we got. So i’m more interested in economic discussions than anything “social issue” related. There are a lot of ethnic groups who want homogenous autonomy but dont really know what they’d actually do with it if they actually got it…or their ideas would be bad, self defeating (all over again).

  436. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 1:24 am #

    I’ve come across Patriot Nurse before and watched some of her videos on medical issues generally but wow this is scary. Pretty much confirms that Marxist elements are infiltrating healthcare. Same thing they did to education. They’re literally everywhere. And she refers to this as the medical industrial complex. This ties into the vast number of people they are hiring to do contact tracing and medical surveillance. If the numbers are better than expected why are they doing this? It has to be power and control.

  437. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 1:39 am #

    I should add that the Australian experience is very different …until Chinese take it over 60-40. or 100%.

    You talk through thine arse. The Chinese make up about 5% of the Australian population, and about 60% are long-standing and fully assimilated. Their contribution to the country has been outstanding.

    Why do you white supremacist dicks jump at shadows … such babies! You must be very insecure indeed.

  438. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 2:03 am #

    I have seen clips of Detroit where Whites clean up trash [volunteers] while Blacks shoot hoops.

    The black guys are really smart … they know some white guys will come through and pick up the trash. LOL!

  439. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 2:17 am #

    One thing that’s inconsistent to me is how often right-leaners who want to hate on diversity and multiculturalism don’t account for the fact that “white” culture and capitalism directly created the contemporary multiculturalist state over centuries…

    Absolutely correct, comrade. But nobody ever claimed the white supremacists had a logical take on anything.

  440. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:35 am #

    Gustafson: Study the economic miracle of Nazi Germany. Think they didn’t know about these things? Didn’t have a plan? The Capitalists started the war because they didn’t want “The Third Way” (google it) being copied by other countries.

    Hint: The Bankers are parasites who create money out of nothing. We need them like the holes the Communists put in the Tsar’s head. The Germans had no gold – all stolen by the Treaty of Versailles. So what? They had real capital: brains and brawn in plenty. They made up their own currency without the parasites. Bartered with other countries without the parasite middle men. Google Gustav Feder. For the English equivalent, google social credit and Douglas.

  441. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:42 am #

    Guile: The Black guys are really smart? Well remember, the point we were talking about was community. That kind of thing would be very alienating for Whites who had to clean up after them. Oh that doesn’t matter? Well there goes the community!

    Glad we could have this little discussion…..

  442. Nightowl April 27, 2020 at 3:02 am #

    “Trump has just been voted the dumbest president ever … he doesn’t even know the difference between the ‘Noble Prize'”

    ——————————————————————————–

    Wait until Cargill figures out that Trump does this whenever he wants a particular message to be seen by as many eyeballs as possible.

    Spread the news far and wide, Cargill. 🙂

  443. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 3:37 am #

    “Trump has just been voted the dumbest president ever … he doesn’t even know the difference between the ‘Noble Prize’”

    You’re such a total dumb-ass Nightowl that you can’t even have the decency to copy and paste the full sentence. What a goose you are.

  444. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 3:50 am #

    Trump is so dumb, that he doesn’t even know how to spell ‘Nobel”, let alone know that journalists don’t win it. How do you RWNJ ever reconcile who you vote for? LOL!

  445. Majella April 27, 2020 at 4:46 am #

    Cargill – was it you who posted this? (I can’t be arsed going back through the thread to check *yawn*):

    https://images.dailykos.com/images/796536/story_image/devolution.jpg?1587756685

  446. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 4:50 am #

    Cargill – was it you who posted this?

    Yes Maj- like George Washington I cannot tell a lie!

  447. Majella April 27, 2020 at 5:03 am #

    Cargill:

    “How do you RWNJ ever reconcile who you vote for?”

    For most of them, it’s pretty binary:

    – Is the candidate a Democrat* or not?

    (*Democrat = ‘hates’ America, ‘hates’ the White race wants uncontrolled immigration, wants to destroy the hallowed Constitution, wants to take your guns away, thinks you’re ‘deplorable’, wants to turn the exceptional USA into a commie hell-hole with free medical care & education and a fair minimum wage, hates Trump and is probably gay).

    If ‘yes’, then RWNJs will instead take the guy who is a “brilliant & successful businessman”, (and he MUST be – he says so himself!) and a very stable genius, and give him a huge pass on his daily spewing of bullshit (which he can’t even put into a full sentence with proper construction). He’s the quintessential epitome of a FIGJAM.

    These upright voters simply choose (it must be a choice becasue they can’t deny knowing these things) to ignore the facts that he’s a whore-monger, a tax cheat, a narcissist, a liar, a shameless tout for any insane theory Hannity tosses at him, a bully when he’s on defense and a quivering coward when he’s with real political ‘strongmen’, and that he simply talks shit all the time and then denies it within the news cycle.

    Yes – a very stable genius, indeed.

  448. Majella April 27, 2020 at 5:10 am #

    NigIQwl:

    “Wait until Cargill figures out that Trump does this whenever he wants a particular message to be seen by as many eyeballs as possible.”

    You really are deluded if you hold the bizarre belief that Himself’s ridiculous faux pas (almost daily of late) are a ‘strategy’ to ‘own the Libs’ and so on.

    You openly present yourself as a genius-level analyst of everything, yet you troll around here with snide comments and nothing of substance.

    Get a life.

  449. Majella April 27, 2020 at 5:19 am #

    Aside from his complete sentences & huge hands, this guy does a great job on the Misleader-in-Chief, President Chlorox.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72rHFrMn5U

    and this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwfk5FUUbTM

  450. Nightowl April 27, 2020 at 5:45 am #

    I see Majella remains worked up an emotional lather posting nutbar claims about the President of the United States instructing people to ingest Lysol and Chlorox.

    Not much else to do when saddled with a low IQ.

    LOL.

  451. Majella April 27, 2020 at 5:49 am #

    You prove my pint again, FIGJAM.

  452. Majella April 27, 2020 at 5:50 am #

    …point…

  453. gustafson.robert.22 April 27, 2020 at 7:05 am #

    J skorenzy: “The Bankers are parasites who create money out of nothing. We need them like the holes the Communists put in the Tsar’s head. The Germans had no gold – all stolen by the Treaty of Versailles. So what? They had real capital: brains and brawn in plenty. They made up their own currency without the parasites. Bartered with other countries without the parasite middle men. Google Gustav Feder. For the English equivalent, google social credit and Douglas.”

    the only thing that would impress me is if nazis had real ideas brewing that were both anti-hydrocarbon and anti-intensive agriculture… both fundamentally, economically parasitic, like banking.

    If they did, i’m ignorant of it. I’d be surprised to find seriously anti-industrial ideas in nazism in germany. I could stand to learn more but i’ve never run across anything hinting that.

  454. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 7:30 am #

    SSL

    “This ties into the vast number of people they are hiring to do contact tracing and medical surveillance. If the numbers are better than expected why are they doing this? It has to be power and control.”

    Is this tactic not to make it possible to move away from lockdown without the numbers getting out of control? It’s what they did in SIngapore to avoid lockdown in the first place. Unfortunately the numbers rose, principally because the virus got into the dormitories used by the foreign workers who keep the construction industry going, in particular. They currently have semi-lockdown, plus a continuation of rigorous contact tracing to get control of the numbers again. Contact tracing also helps with estimates of numbers who’ve already had the virus, I imagine.

    The foreign workers don’t seem to be suffering serious symptoms, on the whole, and the Sg death rate remains remarkable low.

    Re the specific bit of your question, ‘if the numbers are better, why…?’, I saw that reaction referred to as the ‘prevention paradox’. A government takes measures which reduce the numbers, and then is blamed for the fact that numbers aren’t as high as the numbers they were trying to avoid. And the hoax folks get into hyperdrive.

    None of which is to say I don’t support attempts to ease the lockdown as soon as possible. But we’re all in the dark without proper monitoring of the spread. Not that I would wish to have any say in what you do in the US anyway. Your situation is different from ours, and if you want to start going to football games again tomorrow, that’s up to you. WIth or without masks.

  455. Nightowl April 27, 2020 at 8:09 am #

    “You prove my pint again, FIGJAM.”

    ———————————————

    If your point is that we should all laugh at you when you claim the President of the United States endorses ingesting Lysol, then yes.

    You make it so easy.

  456. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 8:09 pm #

    If your point is that we should all laugh at you when you claim the President of the United States endorses ingesting Lysol, then yes.

    You make it so easy.

    Your breach of etiquette is absurd – the typo was immediately corrected by Majella.

    Nothing like the look of desperation and clutching at straws – and several states ARE reporting an increase in poison cases as a result of ingesting Lysol, etc.

    And FIGJAM – LOL … haven’t heard that since I left government service. The other one I really like is WOFTAM … which describes a certain president well.

  457. budizwiser May 2, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

    JK,

    At least the pandemic generated “social distancing” and a commercial lock down that has presented a good chance to see the results of our culture when discreationary energy consumption is halted.

    Ah yes – just how much of Peak OIL theory survives the bright light of what would happen if we didn’t just waste the planet’s resources at truly ridiculous endeavors.

    Just bull-shitting – but it looks like we could have had a 100-year “peak plateau.”

    The effects of the “silent summer of 2020” will be a seminal event in the history of mankind. Film at eleven.

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