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Around the same time that most Americans set their clocks ahead this weekend, something more momentous shoved the world into an epic phase-change, and the modern era, with all its mighty baggage, was finally swept away, along with that single lost hour of darkness. We’re in a new world, and one night later, out on the freeway of history, the engine of the global economy threw a rod. The chauffeur is still standing alongside the stricken vehicle in the breakdown lane, scratching his head while sour-smelling smoke wafts up from the hood.

You’d think that truly earthshaking events like that might change the so-called narrative, but The New York Times was at it again this morning with this front-page op-ed purporting to explain all the sorrows of our times:

That’s how out-of-it the narrators are, even while a thuggish reality whapped them repeatedly upside the head with a two-by-four for weeks leading up to this. No, Dean Baquet (NYT ed-in-chief), transphobia does not explain the quandaries of our time, any more than sorcery or the wickedness of black cats explained the plagues of the 1300s that put a chapter of the human story to rest and started a new one. That elaborate machine of globalism just never figured on a situation when so many people in all corners of the world would have to hunker down in place to wait out one of Gaia’s super-weapons — though it is still not known if corona virus was actually created by Gaia’s wards, Homo sapiens, themselves, who are suddenly feeling the blowback.

Lots of things are blowing back on us now, especially from the patches, tweaks, and work-arounds we applied to the shuddering system while the “check engine” light was flashing the past twelve years. After the awesome skid of 2008, you’d think the world’s money managers might have learned something about the hazards of stepping on the gas when those lights were flashing. Sadly, the tens of thousands of PhD economists in the back seat couldn’t think of anything else to do. And history will regard them as no better than the hooded priests of the 1300s who swung their smoking censers in the dark streets while the stricken town folk bundled their dead.

The new disposition of things is upon us, and the sooner we get with the program, the better. Welcome to The Long Emergency and its aftermath, a world made by hand. Expect that a lot of things crashing, grinding to a halt, and falling to pieces will not get patched back together and restarted. When the dust settles from all that, we’ll discover one of the primary conditions of the new era: we’re poorer — a lot of what we took to be money, or things that represented money, were figments. “Money” itself, as manifested in currencies, may become a slippery concept, with low credibility. If that’s the case, people ought to ask themselves: how can I be useful or helpful to the others around me in a way that will raise my own social capital and accumulate, at least, the good will of these other people, and perhaps some of their help or service in return for mine? That is the beginning of building a local community — people bound together by mutual obligations, responsibilities, duties, and rewards.

We’re lucky for one thing: this crisis of advanced civilization is striking at the very start of the planting season. If you’re prudent, you can begin at once to organize serious gardening efforts, if you live in a part of the country where that is possible. I’d go heavy on the potatoes, cabbages, winter squashes, and beans, because they’re all keepers over winter. Baby chicks sell at the local ag stores for a few bucks each now and you’ll be very grateful for the eggs. Get a rooster — even though they can be a pain-in-the-ass — and you won’t have to buy any more chicks.

If you live in a part of the country where the terrain is rugged and well-watered — as I do — start scoping out local hydro sites that might potentially generate electricity or drive machinery directly from water power. We will probably need more of that. Around here many of those sites are signified by the ruins of decommissioned factories and hydro-stations from not much more than a century ago. They were originally built with a lot less machine power than we would use today, and a lot more power of men working in groups. We’ve forgotten how effective men can be working together with pretty simple tools. We were too busy devaluing men in recent decades for the sake of a moral crusade to erase “gender” differences. Well, that will be bygone so fast your head will spin.

The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident. If you have friends or relatives in places where food can be grown, or in the small towns favorably located near productive land and running water, maybe this is a good time to start negotiating some new arrangements and making a move, if you can. Nobody knows yet just how deeply the effects of corona virus will cut through daily life in the weeks ahead. The potential for disorder isn’t tiny, looking at the current situation, at least in terms of broken business relationships and the flow of vital goods. We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. Be prepared for plenty of action when the hunkering ends and the hungering begins.


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  1. Ishabaka March 9, 2020 at 9:56 am #

    Transgenders are the new saints of the alt-left.
    No one dare criticize them, everyone wants their child to be one, no expense must be spared in glorifying them.

    • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 10:11 am #

      Yes, but they account for only about .06% of the population; statistically they don’t even exist. Yet they loom large in the minds of newspaper columnists and college diversity officers. Maybe Trans issues are just a red herring to distract us from what is really happening. What else could it be? You don’t get to be a columnist in the national newspaper of record by being totally clueless. Or maybe there’s an agenda at work that must be pressed regardless of anything else.

      Brh

      • DrTomSchmidt March 9, 2020 at 11:00 am #

        I’m waiting for the first politician to make this offer: you take the .1% plus their supporters, I’ll take everyone tired of the .1% and their supporters. Let the people decide.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:02 am #

        I think it was Mr. Kunstler who theorized that we are seeing so many eager to join the ranks of the “trans” community, because of a desire to achieve ‘special’ status.

        • Nightowl March 9, 2020 at 5:05 pm #

          Well, duh. It’s similar to the concept of reverse snobbery. So woke and inclusive that excluding those who don’t think just like you becomes cool again.

    • gonetohell March 9, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

      Everyone wants their child to be a transgender? Where do lunatics like yourself congregate-maybe at Kunstlers farm. Maybe his farm is like Daryl’s house. But instead of talented musicians getting together for a jam session, Therre’s human backwash getting together to compare notes. Demented Kunstler finally let go of his progressive left bashing to write something meaningful, but he’s already attracted too many fruit flies to his blog. That’s fair I suppose. At least it’s a bit poetic.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        He’s being ironic, Daryl. You need to listen to Neegan. He is your brain.

        • gonetohell March 13, 2020 at 2:27 am #

          Am I supposed to read your couple of lines upside, or maybe backwards? I’m trying to make sense of your rambling. But really trying to make sense of why you’d respond for someone else?

  2. John1945 March 9, 2020 at 10:10 am #

    =“check engine” light was flashing the past twelve years.=

    What,me worry ? (MAD magazine)

    Ross Perot was the last guy who in 1992 was meekly admonishing “Folks,lets balance the budget !”
    Then Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman announced “Deficits don’t matter”.
    And it was OK to keep driving even with the “STOP ENGINE” sign.
    Car breaks down,call AAA,towing truck wil haul you to the repair shop.No money to pay the repair bill-no problem.Out of 10 maxed-out credit cards one should still be working.
    Stock market is flashing again “STOP ENGINE” sign.Lets call AAA,I mean Fed.

    • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 10:15 am #

      I still have a Perot sign in the barn. Should I stake it in the front lawn?

      • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 10:36 am #

        yes..or sell on ebay.

      • John1945 March 9, 2020 at 10:41 am #

        Mr.Kunstler came up with a much better saying:
        Nothing matters
        Everything goes
        And nobody cares
        If you print it and laminate it I will sign it and certify it at the notary public.
        You will win a front lawn contest then 😉
        _____________________
        Actually, it was “Anything Goes and Nothing Matters — JHK Admin.”

        • John1945 March 9, 2020 at 11:20 am #

          My apologies,gentlemen;

          I am sure even my mis-quote captures the spirit of things.
          I consider it an update to Ted Nelson saying:

          Most people are fools,
          Most authority is malignant,
          God does not exist,
          And everything is wrong.

          Ted was one of the first IT guys long,long time ago.And he is still active.His recent book “Geeks bearing Gifts” is a masterpiece.

          • Epicur March 10, 2020 at 9:11 am #

            Everything IS wrong, but without the collective delusions that bind us into social groups we are not a very formidable species.

            Bound together by those delusions we (collectively) are Leviathan, the apex predator, at least of this planet.

        • Iananna March 14, 2020 at 7:40 am #

          Robert Ruark wrote a Playboy article in 1965 “Nothing Works and Nobody Cares” but he was being ironic. I think.

  3. AKlein March 9, 2020 at 10:11 am #

    Well, JHK, that was sure a cold shower!

    • ellipsis March 9, 2020 at 10:24 am #

      Ominous portents all around these days! And lo and behold, the Ides of March are on us too.

  4. tractorguy March 9, 2020 at 10:13 am #

    The whole trans thing reminds me of the quote, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts.” Your DNA determines your sex at conception, and I’m not going to hop on the crazy train with people that deny their own DNA.

  5. stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    Seeds are in flats, some already sprouted, Fruit trees starting to bud, Chickens would be cool but I think the dogs would not agree. three B’s squared away.

    • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 10:17 am #

      I didn’t bother with the Maple taps this year. I have a gallon from last year and the ol’ lady does not really like maple.

      • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

        If I were nearer, StE. I’d happily take some off your hands. It’s delicious on porridge.

        Well, I wouldn’t take it, obviously, not unless I had something to offer in return…

        A nice local blue cheese, or a haggis or two. 🙂

        • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 1:07 am #

          Alba,
          What if we gave you the Maple syrup IF you kept the haggis?

          • GreenAlba March 10, 2020 at 6:59 am #

            No complaints, EF. Very generous of you. 🙂

  6. hmuller March 9, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    Great post, JHK. I do question one thing you said.

    “We’re lucky for one thing: this crisis of advanced civilization is striking at the very start of the planting season.”

    I would opine: If farmers can’t plant because the credit markets and supply chains are frozen, we are most unlucky.

    • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 10:18 am #

      Muller

      I think Jim is referring the ‘farm’ you’ll be needing to cultivate in your own backyard. I could be wrong.
      You’re correct BRH — JHK Admin

      • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 10:28 am #

        Understood. But Aunt Matilda’s vegetable garden including the chickens won’t take the place of the calories produced by the modern agriculture business in America.

        • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 10:41 am #

          Millions of suburbanites turning their lawns into “victory gardens” may mitigate starvation. And it’s a good thing – all these born again subsistence farmers. But don’t expect it to completely make up for all the fields left fallow if the system breaks down. If the “real farmers” can’t plant this spring, we are truly f***ed!

          • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 10:43 am #

            starving people will steal the food. even non starving will steal food.

            youtube> Michigan Gardener…someone harvested his stuff w o his knowledge or consent.

            chaos isnt pretty like a suburban flower garden.

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 10:43 am #

            Good points.

          • DrTomSchmidt March 9, 2020 at 10:57 am #

            How much of the corn is used for real food, in any case, and not just planted to strip-mine topsoil for government subsidies for ethanol?

            I suspect the famine isn’t this year. Or next year. But I won’t go much beyond then.

        • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

          “If the ‘real farmers’ can’t plant this spring, we are truly f***ed!” — hmuller

          “I suspect the famine isn’t this year.” — Dr Tom

          If you’re a ‘real farmer’ and you don’t already have your seed purchased and on-site, then you’re an idiot (seed was produced no later than last year. So the bulk of the processed food supply (our staples: corn, wheat, soy) should not be much affected this year. Heck, prices may drop due to the cheapening of petrol (Saudi/Russian price war) for a time.

          “I’d go heavy on the potatoes, cabbages, winter squashes, and beans, because they’re all keepers over winter.” — JHK

          Nailed that, he did. Good storage winter calories. Be sure to save seed stock for the next year since we don’t know if mail order will still be an option (of course, this is super tricky where promiscuous squashes and biennial cabbages are concerned). Also, make that cabbage into kraut since lacto-fermented veggies are way more nutritious than raw and can be stored for years.

          • Daddyotis March 9, 2020 at 3:46 pm #

            Beets, carrots, turnips, & rutabagas as well. Most keep decently, provided a later harvest. Just went through my last beet from 2019 (a mite squishy, but just from dehydration), and still have a bunch of taters & butternut squash. Up here in northern NE we pant a little later, but ima definitely gonna dig up a bit more lawn for some extra growing space this season (in the face of my wife’s wrath)

          • Q. Shtik March 9, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

            this is super tricky where promiscuous squashes and biennial cabbages are concerned). – Farmer McGregor

            ===============

            I’m trying to get a mental image of what would constitute promiscuity in a squash. Should I do a search at Porn Hub?

          • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

            What about lines of credit, Farmer McGregor? If the banks are closed can all you real farmers go merrily along your way as if it matters not?

          • Jello March 9, 2020 at 8:34 pm #

            Keep in mind that carrots don’t produce seed the first season, You have to winter them over and let them regrow the following season. Just a few can produce thousands of seeds. I always leave a partial row and just cover them with leaves or straw over the winter. They come right back up once the frost is out of the ground. I’m from canada, so our winters are much harsher than the US, and it works fine up here.

          • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

            “I’m trying to get a mental image of what would constitute promiscuity in a squash. Should I do a search at Porn Hub?” — Q.Shtik

            Made me LOL. Every plant in the cucerbita family (cucumbers, squash, guards, melons, etc.) are notoriously ‘promiscuous’ in that they will readily cross pollinate, from even more than a mile apart if the pollinators carry pollen between them. The resulting offspring are usually unusable mutants. The only way to breed for pure cultivar seed is to grow in isolation (like in a greenhouse) or to manually pollinate and then prevent access to the fertilized flower until fruit set (bagging the flower, for instance).

            BTW, I didn’t come up with the phrase “promiscuous plants“.

          • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 9:35 pm #

            @hmullar: No argument about lines of credit, though my point is that farmers who have not already secured what they need for this growing season may be in trouble whether things go south or not. I was supporting DrTomSchmidt’s observation “I suspect the famine isn’t this year” in that this growing season is, for all practical purposes, already under way.

            Of course, it’s hard to say what conditions will be like come time for harvest — lots of diesel fuel required at that time.

          • Pat Ormsby March 10, 2020 at 3:20 am #

            @Q.Shtik, promiscuity in squashes means many if not most of their kids are trannies. “His mother was a Puccini. We have no idea who the father was.” They usually exhibit poor taste. With lots of care I can usually get about 3 generations of reasonably good squash before I order off for new seed from the professionals. (A Puccini is a lovely yellow and orange striped palm sized Japanese squash.)

        • oldmaniowa March 10, 2020 at 8:18 am #

          The modern American agriculture business grows corn for ethanol. Most of what we eat is Hecho en Mexico.

    • zetatai March 9, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

      In terms of luck, JHK seems to have forsaken the southern hemisphere!

      • Cargill March 12, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

        I must concede that, as an Australian, I thought that too. In some respects we will do a lot better than the more heavily populated north – plus we’re closer to the Equator (12°-38° South), with warmer weather and long, flexible growing seasons.

        But two things: we are a LONG way from a lot of vital supply chains (including oil – but we have huge amounts of nat gas), and the nation is chronically (sometimes acutely) short of well-watered land. We are basically a desert with a few quality fringe areas.

  7. shotho March 9, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    Good essay on what’s currently going on. I would amend the statement, “How can I be useful and helpful to the others around me in a way to raise my social capital , , , ,” to include spiritual and psychological capital. How many will boast, including on here, about their preparations for economic collapse and how they will be taken care of no matter what? Fear and greed abound, but the good people who will think about others are the true heroes of our time.

    • Ron Anselmo March 9, 2020 at 11:31 am #

      Nice. Very well-said shotho, last sentence especially.

  8. newworld March 9, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    I went thru the offerings in the “by Hand” series having read #1 and the despotic Christian sects are featured prominently in the plot descriptions. Let it be known none of those people IRL could be employed by the NYTs in any function including custodian of the bathrooms.

    And yet the NYT’s is dead center in the new Theological Cult of Diversity, replete with vocabulary ending with the suffixes of “isms, ists and phobias.”

    There is no saving the American Empire, it’s leading theologians are in the grip of hysteria, logic and reason will be found to be “sexist, racist and a phobia of some sorts.”

    • SW March 9, 2020 at 10:32 am #

      NYT wants to be “cutting-edge”, avant-garde, cool, hip and woke to an extreme a meth addict would envy. The fact that respected scholars said their 1619 series was historically inaccurate went in one ear and out the other. Those people were simply not as brilliant or penetrating as their crack reporters. So it is with trans-hysteria reporting. When the Democrats had that town hall last fall and the trans community pretended that they were being targeted and murdered, what they failed to mention was the deaths were at the hands of domestic partners.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:23 am #

        Trannies are some angry people.

        • pedal pusher March 9, 2020 at 5:15 pm #

          True story: Portland, Oregon, rainy winter night circa 2017:

          An incident in traffic (near miss, no contact) leads to a guy following and parking near me at a restaurant and then approaching me on foot. I warn him I will defend myself if he touches me. He replies “I’ll bet you would hit a woman!” We’re close enough that I can see he’s wearing mascara and lipstick. I reply “I don’t think you’re a woman.” He replies “You’re lucky I’m not armed!” I walk away and report his license plate and comment to the Portland police.
          An hour later a police officer calls me back and says the vehicle owner recently changed his gender from male to female and name from Robert Michael (no last name given) to Roberta Michelle. The officer then proceeds to explain that Roberta is most likely undergoing hormone treatments which are probably the cause of her aggressive behavior and as a community we need to understand that Roberta’s transition requires understanding and empathy on our part.

          I have moved my home and business out of Portland.

          • SW March 9, 2020 at 9:37 pm #

            You actually are lucky Roberta wasn’t armed b/c “they” would have gotten away with shooting you for using the wrong pronoun.

  9. SW March 9, 2020 at 10:19 am #

    Like a stone dropped in the middle of a pond, the ripple effects start spreading immediately and these are multiple stones thanks to globalization. Duct tape and bailing wire will be applied to hold it together until the election and money managers will be insisting that even though the market dropped 40% in 2008 it “came roaring back”! But it can’t be salvaged on the level we’ve grown used to.

    The media has already lost interest in the border (media-sponsored & driven) crisis, impeachment, Russia, and now faced with a real game-changer that’s reality based it will be interesting to see how they react. Still lots of Inspiring America stories of people rescuing puppies traumatized by floods, tornadoes, hurricanes but nothing about people wise enough to learn a few practical skills and teach others.

    • DrTomSchmidt March 9, 2020 at 10:55 am #

      The irony is the GGG calling the market fake under Obama and glorying in all-time highs just a few weeks ago. Live by the tick, die by the tick, and this market is dying.

      The GGG’s voters weren’t the asset owners and asset strippers. It was the people getting cheated by globalization, the people who couldn’t earn a decent return on dollars in the bank, who were driven into the market to get a return. Those people get even fewer dollars when the Fed cuts rates.

      The narrative now is that Biden will win the nomination. Meanwhile, all the disaffected voters who went for Trump have no outlet, except Revolution, or Bernie. Now that the majority-black states have voted for Super Tuesday, expect the more white and Hispanic states to vote like California and Utah.

      If Bernie faces the GGG, things get VERY interesting.

      • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:44 am #

        I think that the virus is going to test a basic tenet of this country. Can an emergency of this scale be handled by capitalistic means, with individual responsibility paramount. Is socialism and authoritarianism a requirement to handle globalist emergencies? Will China, specifically, show that their government handles emergencies better than US policies. Are civil liberties in jeopardy as this unfolds in the next few months? Will the polity of this country have the backbone to face up to this epidemic and face reality? I am not sure today.

        I am an advocate of liberty. Millions of people died in WW2 trying to defend liberty from a small group of dictators. I think the dying WW2 generation is shocked by the cowardly reaction of this country to the virus.

        Trump is trying to downplay the effects of the plague. It is a political gambit trying to mute the effects of the increasing epidemic. I think he has made a mistake here. Trying to avoid the subject is not the way to handle potential disasters like this. JHK is predicting disaster, AKA The World Made by Hand. He may be right. Is this going to be Trumpian in nature, or Kunstlerian?

        We will know the answer in a couple of months. If this outbreak abates, things will come together and the economy will surge back albeit with a lot of damage. If not, all bets are off, not because of cowardly politicians, but because missing elements of our just in time global economy is going to grind things to a halt. The irony of the whole thing is that the only solution to this may be nationalization and localization of economic forces.

        Oil is down to $33 a barrel, a product of infighting between SA and Russia for price control. With all the bragging about fracking we have heard in the US, how come we are not part of the discussion? Maybe because we are topped out with supply capability?

        One good thing per JHK. Maybe the silliness of identity politics, Trans in this example, will be relegated to their place on the priority list.

        LAST!

        • SW March 9, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

          With any luck — and we’re going to need a lot of it — this virus will have a low mortality rate and will not share genetic material with a more deadly virus like Nipah. That has a mortality rate of 50 to 75% and is in the same approximate area. SxSW was cancelled not because anyone in Austin has tested positive but b/c of all the international travelers expected, particularly from SE Asia. The economic effects will be felt for months to come and plenty of small businesses will be closing too. There was an interview with a sign maker here and he usually employs 15 people and had to lay off all of them. Bars and restaurants that ordered massive amounts of food and alcohol can’t pay for it. now. A microcosm of the ripple effects.

        • Nightowl March 9, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

          Fear porn. The liars that sold you so many lies over the past 3 years that you lost track are now telling you the plague is coming. And you eat it up.

          FFS.

          • SW March 9, 2020 at 9:29 pm #

            I don’t know how bad the coronavirus will or will not be. All we have to evaluate possible epidemics are history of other ones and mathematical projections. The Zika virus has lived in the gut of the mosquito for eons and was harmless then something happened to change its genetic structure and it now causes terrible birth defects and miscarriage. That’s not fear porn — it’s reality and a tragic one if it happens to you.

          • Nightowl March 10, 2020 at 4:49 am #

            If you are under 70 and do not suffer from TDS, it is quite likely that you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

        • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 1:12 am #

          John,

          No, yes, yes, yes, no.

  10. fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 10:22 am #

    “We were too busy devaluing men in recent decades for the sake of a moral crusade to erase “gender” differences.”

    The feminists lost me when it became self evident that the goal was not equality but really to make men and women the same or sameness. They’ve lost a lot of women too. Smart tough women like my wife who views the modern feminist movement as backward, weak minded and not attractive to capable women who want to be women and not poor copies of men. Plus she is fond of men who are not confused about what being a man means. These folks will not fair well in a world that not longer has the luxury of coddling their stupidity.

    “The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident. If you have friends or relatives in places where food can be grown, or in the small towns favorably located near productive land and running water, maybe this is a good time to start negotiating some new arrangements and making a move, if you can.”

    Lucky me living in the northwest suburbs of Chicago now. Good news is that we kept the remote farm in Ohio. Just hope it is remote enough. Well stocked, good land and bountiful water. Plus a strong resilient farming community. Heavily armed and clear minded on when to pull the trigger.

    • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 10:32 am #

      Fugeguy your wife sounds like my wife , I’ve been married close to 4 decades, She thinks these feminists are so full of shit. I do the heavy lifting and she covers the creature comforts, and does a damn good job of it. I dirty,she cleans, I grow, she cooks. I give her shit and she gives it back in spades. Actually she thinks she is the boss. I prefer it that way.We are pretty much equal. She has her domain and I have mine.

      • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 10:59 am #

        Sounds like we both got a gem 😉

        We are closing in on 3 decades. Hard to believe.

        • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:50 am #

          51 years for us. You two have found the secret, as we have. It is a partnership, many folks never figure that out.

          Feminism wants females to be in a power superior position.

          In marriages, that will never work. Equality is the key.

          I notice the majority of avid feminists are single and prefer it that way.

          • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:51 am #

            Equality in power I mean.

          • edpell March 9, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

            Yup, 38 years and happy. We just ignore the crazies in all their many forms.

      • DrTomSchmidt March 9, 2020 at 11:02 am #

        Sounds like you’re complementary, not equal. Equal is something that became important in the axial age, by mathematically driven people.

        We are going to stop obeying those people, and soon.

        • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 11:14 am #

          Thanks, Doc. Yes, complimentary. Definitely not equal. She’s got her skills and I have mine . 50+50 =100

          • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:25 am #

            Equal doesn’t mean the same.

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

            You guys seem like you got it worked out pretty good. Number one thing you gotta do IMHO is bring home the bacon. Beyond that it doesn’t hurt if you run the vacuum and do a sinkful of dishes every once in awhile. Having done that, don’t expect them to reciprocate by helping you with snow removal, tree pruning, fence building or any outdoor chores. It definitely works only one way.

            Brh

        • Doc Holliday March 9, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

          Around our abode, and we have been married 33+ years (co-habitating for 44+ years) I call it ‘Division of Labor’. I do the construction related, firewood related, food growing related, and she does the cooking related (and she is a very good cook). It works out evenly. If she did my work and I did hers, we would live in a shack and would have already starved…..

    • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 10:46 am #

      In the modern world, men build and women decorate. But which is more primary?

      In contrast, in the old world, women had their own domains which men depended on and vice versa.

      We renounced the real equality, to the extent it was there. Men typically ruled even then – but exceptions abounded at least at the more local levels.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      Fuge, there are feminists and even lesbians vehemently against this whole ‘trans’ and “men can become women” nonsense.
      You won’t hear about them in the mainstream media, however, and they are even being censored out of what used to be open forums, such as public libraries.

      • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 11:26 am #

        Good point, Beryl. If the entire USA women’s soccer team were replaced by men in dresses (who say they feel like women), would that be a good thing? As you implied, feminists and lesbians would be the first to express disapproval in very frank language. Boundaries need to be drawn.

        • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:54 am #

          At the high school level, this war is being fought now. Trans boys becoming girls to have a definite physical advantage in girls sports is the epitome of the societal absurdity that Trans presents.

          Another offshoot of the identity politics.

          • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

            It is happening in combat sports- mma, boxing, etc.

            Quickly swept under the rug though since it quickly shows the lack of male female sameness.

  11. rhys12 March 9, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    “in the middle of the eighth [fourteenth] century, civilization in the East and West was visited by a destructive plague which devastated nations and caused populations to vanish. It swallowed up many of the good things of civilization and wiped them out. It overtook the dynasties at the time of their senility, when they had reached the limit of their duration. It lessened their power and curtailed their influence. It weakened their authority. Their situation approached the point of annihilation and dissolution. Civilization decreased with the decrease of mankind. Cities and buildings were laid waste, roads and way signs were obliterated, settlements and mansions became empty, dynasties and tribes grew weak. The entire inhabited world changed. The East, it seems, was similarly visited though in accordance with and in proportion to (the East’s more affluent) civilization. It was as if the voice of existence in the world had called out for oblivion and restriction, and the world had responded to its call.” Muslim historian Ibn Khaldun on the effects of the Black Plague. Will it be “different this time”?

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:59 am #

      The only difference between Co19 and the killer in the movie Contagion, or the Black Death, is the mortality rate of the virus. A mutation in April could change all this.

      Note in the movie that one person taking the risk of injecting herself with the potential vaccine blew away all the bureaucratic baloney and allowed the fast advent of an effective vaccine that literally saved the world. After 2.5 million folks died.

    • Tate March 9, 2020 at 1:48 pm #

      “Will it be ‘different this time'”?

      Well, we have the science of epidemiology, there’s that.

      Methinks Jim Kunstler is a bit premature in his ejaculations. Sure, there’s going to be some adjustments but we’re not going from what we have now to this ‘world made by hand’ in less than a generation. Even if we have to jettison JIT manufacturing & tighten supply chains (a good thing, in any event), it ain’t gonna happen.

      There’s only been, what 4,000 deaths so far. People are in panic mode over that? The Chinese are already seeing a decline in deaths.

      • CancelMyCard March 9, 2020 at 10:05 pm #

        The Chinese haven’t even begun to see the beginning of Wave 2.

        That is always the worst one.

  12. Paul Ford O'Neil March 9, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    Hello James,

    Yep, we may actually have trespassed the transept of the ‘temple of woke’ to find that the ‘demonic-marxist-feminist gulag’ is the sacrifice.

    I had the great pleasure to live in Bosnia & Herzegovina in the years immediately after their ‘civil-war’ [1992-1996] and was gratified to observe a thousand ingenious work-arounds in daily life to the collapse of their own ‘demonic-marxist-feminist gulag’.

    YES, a multitude of ‘edja-medicated’ US-I-cants will fall into a drooling stupor in the nearest corner.

    BUT, most Amer-I-cans will simply carry-on til they are carrion!

    Stay in there and pitch,
    PFO

  13. Opie March 9, 2020 at 10:34 am #

    Good advice Jim. We are in uncharted waters now, surprise is going to be the new norm. BTW,am about 2/3rds through your latest book, really like the interviews you did. It reminds me of,well,me:)

  14. malthuss March 9, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    Nearly 900 people waiting to enter Costco, where last week the opening crowd would be >100. Panic buying.

    What about when its panic but nothing to buy?

    -largest weekly stock market drop since 1929
    -first time treasury yields are under 1%
    -biggest single day oil price drop since gulf war
    -fastest spreading virus since SARs, china hardest hit
    -gold hitting 1700 usd after previous high of 1900 usd
    -cryptocurrencies in freefall

    • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:27 am #

      I’m not seeing that where I live. I don’t know why not.

    • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 2:27 pm #

      “Nearly 900 people waiting to enter Costco, where last week the opening crowd would be >100.”

      I guess you meant the opposite of > but never mind. 🙂

      I shopped here this morning while walking the dog:

      https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/570e790bf85082287b108b94/1461077341419-5E2SR95JSOAEX8BXHJSS/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kC9DN3DXhxXiLxeHvj16zrdZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvW56LRaUT1pClzWs44DErAMUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpxPL2-ESOv1XDR-0yCY0h1zaKTI7fZV_o0r5yPCZ9-bnISaj6drSVH0se0gIm4D-fQ/image-asset.jpeg

      Two minutes away from my house. Looked exactly as it does in the picture. Nobody waiting outside (although you’re welcome to picture my greyhound tied on the railing); nobody waiting in the inside either.

      Heaps of toilet rolls inside. Chemist across the road still has sanitiser and surgical wash on the counter. Still haven’t bought any. There’s soap and hot water in the house and I haven’t figured out in my mind how the sanitiser carriers out and about plan to get the sanitiser onto their hands and back in their bag without touching the unsanitised outside of their sanitiser bottle that they touched before they sanitised their hands. Maybe if I could figure that out I might buy some. I’m obviously missing something. Wouldn’t be the first time.

      Although I watched my 7-year-old grandson use some from a little bottle when I met my daughter in a patisserie the other day and he used it on his hands, then touched the unsanitised outside of the bottle and I just thought ‘and the point of that was?’ but said nothing.

      Anyway, I’ll pay for my (to me) civilised lifestyle – not that I don’t go to small supermarkets too or get a delivery every couple of months when it’s heavy pet-food time – if/when it comes to pass that there’s no food you didn’t grow yourself.

      You win some, you lose some… And to the country gloaters and large-gardened sunny suburbanites, living in a city, even a small one like Edinburgh, isn’t a sign of moral degeneracy, it’s just the way things turn out for a whole lot of people who need to pay their bills and can’t all own land.

      You seem to spend a lot of time at Costco, malthuss – are you feeding a regiment?

      • Q. Shtik March 9, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

        You seem to spend a lot of time at Costco, malthuss – are you feeding a regiment? – Greenie

        ==============

        I think he’s there just doing research for us CFNers.

        • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

          A noble calling indeed, Q.

      • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 9:34 pm #

        And I just noticed, in case anyone wants to see what a non-intimidating mosque looks like, you can see it in the picture – the bright green strip on the right edge that looks like a normal shop front.

  15. akmofo March 9, 2020 at 10:50 am #

    NYT = MSM = CIA PRAVDA = COMMIE PROPAGANDA = ROME

    Yes, we must not mention the unseen and unmentionable. ROME!

    At least the Soviets and now Russians knew and know Pravda for what it is. In the US and Europe, too many people have a strange “allergy” to “conspiracies”, and so the commie gov mafia can do as it pleases.

  16. neon sky March 9, 2020 at 10:55 am #

    On the bright side, this probably hurts the Golden One’s reelection chances. With Uncle Joe Biden as Pres we can count on the people who have his backside to keep him propped up properly and to make his mouth flap when needed.

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

      One thing missing.

      The media can criticize Trumpian White House “optimistic” view on the virus, betting on its seasonality.

      However, before the Left gets advantage from the situation, they have to come up with a potential solution, a better idea. I have heard nothing coming from Congress or other Left dominions on how to do anything different relative to the epidemic. Just a lot of fear mongering, that does not add anything.

    • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

      I see another weekend at Bernie’s presidency.

    • draupnir March 9, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

      Have you heard him speak recently? You should compare what is coming out of his mouth now, with his speaking abilities of some years ago, while he was still coherent. His handlers are soon going to have to run his campaign from a memory care center. He has been publicly disoriented. He is losing his language abilities and can’t seem to complete a sentence or a thought. It’s quite striking. He is losing common nouns and talks of “you know, that thing.” There are many more “things” in his future. Some lose their ability to speak at all. He even got his own name wrong the other day. His speech is full of misused words or words combined in new and odd ways. Those who claim this is a stutter are lying to you or to themselves. Hopefully, he will be having a good day on the inauguration or he won’t be able to get though the oath of office. He will spend his time drooling in a corner and someone else (Hillary?) will be running the show. The Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves. The strain is going to make his condition much worse.

      One of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s is prevarication. When asked a question to which they have forgotten the answer, or don’t know it, they simply make things up, and are blithely unaware that people catch on to their subterfuge. Very clever people can hide it for a while, but I don’t think Joe Biden is one of those, and his disease is now too far advanced.

  17. Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 10:57 am #

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-people-italy-panicked-tried-113720439.html

    Sixteen million northerners quarantined. Those who try to flee will be arrested. This is the Heavy Hand. Nothing else will do. And will they abuse it? Sure they will. But if Salvini was in power, he would use the crisis to save Italy by permanently closing down the borders to alien immigrants. Power is the Double Edged Sword. But you can’t just throw the sword away or beat it into a ploughshare. For someone else will pick it up or already has one. Then you will do the ploughing for them….

  18. 100th Avatar March 9, 2020 at 11:00 am #

    There is a segment of the Chinese community, particularly the expatriate community that fled a repressionist China a few generations ago, that are convinced that the virus was manufactured to reduce the large elderly population in China. They are a burden on the economy. Years ago they sent the elderly to work/agriculture camps, ostensibly to re-educate, but really to work them to death. So they fled. They see this as similar and do not trust the narrative of the ruling party.

    I was quite shocked to hear this from ethnic Chinese, but the way they see it, it’s not the Chinese people, but a despotic totalitarian regime that should be blamed.

    Again, this is coming from members of the anti-communist/authoritarian Chinese community. Interesting nonetheless to hear their view as they have past experiences and familial ties still there.

    • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 11:07 am #

      could be.
      I have read–the solution to the pension crisis is to kill the old.

    • Kevvia Knack March 9, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

      The Chinese immigrants in my suburban Los Angeles community have been wearing face masks since 2017. I have wanted to ask them why they wear face masks but I did not want to be perceived as racist or hostile. Weak lungs? Sensitive respiratory systems? Allergies? I mean, no other race or ethnic group was wearing masks in 2017 2018 2019. The air here isn’t that bad for goodness sakes. Creepy times for sure. Looking forward to my spring and summer vegetable gardens!

  19. Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 11:19 am #

    I have found it strange that even as the government health agencies warned of the return of a pandemic akin to the Spanish flu, even going so far as to try to force flu shots on an unwilling public, that same government insisted on installing and maintaining the exact conditions necessary to facilitate such a calamity.

    I understand that the Chinese government has no concern for human life and an excess population, what I don’t understand is how people like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi think that they and theirs are untouchable by disease?
    They are both plenty old enough to have read a history book or two.
    Their behavior defies logic, unless they actually wanted this to happen, then it makes sense.
    There is something deeply wrong with these people’s minds.

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      I have found it strange that even as the government health agencies warned of the return of a pandemic akin to the Spanish flu, even going so far as to try to force flu shots on an unwilling public, that same government insisted on installing and maintaining the exact conditions necessary to facilitate such a calamity.

      Are you trying to blame Democrats for Trump’s incompetent and dangerous response to the coronavirus crisis? Remember – he is only concerned about one thing – re-election and whatever it takes.

      • Nightowl March 9, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

        His response is the correct response.

        Stew in your fear porn.

  20. volodya March 9, 2020 at 11:29 am #

    Forty lawyers at the sea-bottom is how we generally define a “good start”, but I would argue that the definition itself may be a good start, but nothing more, and like some other widely held notions like the much beloved Theory of Evolution and that modern-day vehicle for virtue-signalling – climatology – it’s an idea that still needs a lot of work. 

    I say this because while there’s no doubt as to the damage done by the legal profession, they aren’t unique, there’s a plethora of non-legal occupations that are similarly parasitic, extracting money, spreading distress, inflicting hardship, acting as impediments to general well-being, while posing as indispensable service-providers. Experts, in short.  

    JHK is right, economics is the glaring example that needs to find its place at the bottom of some deep ocean, similarly IMO the financial advisory industry. I say this because you don’t need some twenty-something sharpie in a bank office helping you “manage” your money, because if you have a mastery of fifth-grade arithmetic and a smidgen of common sense, you can do it yourself and you won’t be paying fees to make some bankster in a corner office rich while you’re watching your funds dwindle. 

    Wall Street is a casino and what Wall Street collects is skim, nothing more, but unlike the old way of doing it with hard-faced men in Las Vegas counting rooms, this is legal, carved off by algorithms, blessed by imprimaturs of legislators and governors and presidents. What’s the m.o.? Churn ’em and burn ’em?  

    Maybe this idea has wider applicability, for if Manhattan were to suffer a Godzilla invasion of building-sized fire-breathing monsters, or sink beneath the waves via the sudden melting of all of Antarctica and Greenland, or be consumed in a geologic, disaster-movie firehole, and all of its highly self-regarding and – cough – educated, urban “talent” be dispersed, never again to be an out-sized influence on world and national affairs, I think it won’t have been a subtraction from the sum-total of human wisdom and knowledge and abilities, but rather an addition. Of course, this can sound perilously like “regime change” or “nation building” something that the USA hasn’t proved to be any good at over-seas. But this won’t be over yonder but right at home. 

    The point is this, if you want to point the finger at “intermediation” as one major malady that ails the polity, then maybe its opposite, disintermediation, is the remedy. And there’s a lot of this intermediation happening, not least in health care via the health insurance industry. The question is how you go about it. 

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

      One problem

      Corporations, AKA the stock market, are the spine of our retirement system in the US, heck, around the world.

      Generation Xers are starting into the last stages of their pre-retirement stage of capital accumulation.

      • volodya March 9, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

        Yep, too bad about that.

        • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

          We have the financial service providers of Manhattan; we have the ‘good government’ providers of DC.

          If the earth opened up and swallowed both groups, would the American people be better or worse off?

          • volodya March 10, 2020 at 12:28 pm #

            To ask the question is to answer it.

      • ellipsis March 9, 2020 at 4:48 pm #

        That phase of history is rapidly drawing to a close, as the perpetual growth paradigm and the making money for having money fantasies are put to bed for good. Ponzi schemes both.

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

      … and like some other widely held notions like the much beloved Theory of Evolution and that modern-day vehicle for virtue-signalling – climatology – it’s an idea that still needs a lot of work.

      I hate to break it to you, but evolution is proven science, and has been for many decades, and global warming has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘virtue signalling’ – it is also scientific and factual.

      • volodya March 9, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

        The natural phenomena of evolution are solid fact as we can see them unfold right under our noses in organisms big and small.

        But there’s a lot yet to be determined as to mechanisms, for example, those at the bio-molecular level involved in creating genetic innovation or mechanisms at the more macro level, like at the level of the individual organism and how its interaction with its physical environment can act to create mutation, or the interaction of species with the physical environment.

        Natural selection is the means of culling, but there’s a lot more to the story than random mutation and natural selection and it was only recently that labs acquired the ability to quickly read DNA. And DNA is an enormously complex puzzle with multitudes of interlocking “wheels”.

        The human DNA molecule has got 3 billion base pairs and how this beast changes over time is still a matter of on-going study. The last chapter isn’t nearly complete. Needs a lot more work.

        An example: whale fossils have been found documenting whale evolution in pretty good detail, considering the events in question are fifty million years past. And the big question is how these creatures went from dog sized and completely terrestrial shore dwellers to completely aquatic in the span of hundreds of thousands of years. That’s a fast transition.

        The question as to human evolution is the change in behavior in anatomically modern humans, from neanderthal-like to fully modern in innovating tools and technologies and art-forms in what looks like the blink of an eye about fifty thousand years ago. It used to be referred to as The Great Leap Forward. So, what happened to accomplish this? Was it the acquisition of modern language? If so, how did that itself take place? As yet unknown.

        And no, I’m no creationist, and no, I’m not talking intelligent design.

        As far as global warming goes, it’s the same thing. Global climate is an enormously complex thing. And its models, according to some sources I’ve read, are still a work in progress and as yet of limited use for forecasting purposes. This is still not, notwithstanding the protestation of activists, settled science. As yet a lot of work to be done.

        But both these fields are infused with religion, politics, hysteria and bullshit. Too bad about that.

        • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

          “And its models, according to some sources I’ve read, are still a work in progress and as yet of limited use for forecasting purposes.”

          Any climate scientist will tell you that, because it’s an obvious truth. It’s why they’re still doing the science (if they knew it all they’d stop) and improving the models, while knowing perfectly well what the broad brush effects of climate change are (overwhelmingly not good).

          Even Donald Trump knows the broad brush effects of climate change are not good. That’s why Trump International applied to have a protective wall built near his Irish golf course, specifically citing increased flooding due to AGW. He won’t tell you that, though (bad for business…), which is where the politicking you mentioned comes in. And he and his are wealthy enough to shield themselves. They don’t live in the places where what were previously 100-year floods are now happening every few years.

          No buckets and mops for them.

          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-new-york-sea-wall-mops-buckets-twitter-a9290596.html

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

            Get yourself that Dodge Power Wagon, GA.

            8 cylinders, 410 bhp of solid fun.

            Your neighbors will be washed away in the Great Severn Flood, you’ll be throwing that beast into 4 wheel overdrive, hauling ass to higher ground, big 18″ wheels spinning, throwing dirt and debris everywhere. Mr Alba will like driving that thing around the Highlands too. A new one costs about $60gs.

            Well that massive arson fire in Hartford a few nights ago, an arrest has been made. It was a 35 yo black lesbian by the name of Destiny. She got into a fight with her partner, a fight over hand sanitizer. Yes, she got so mad she lit the whole complex on fire. That’s how they settle their differences apparently. 1 dead, scores injured, over 100 left homeless … and another burned out cinder of a building in the City of Hartford.

            Brh

          • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 3:06 pm #

            Do you own shares in Dodge Power Wagons, brh? 🙂

            Mr Alba has just ordered something for the Lake District trip later in the month – probably the old Hillux again but I wasn’t even curious enough to ask.

            Mostly Mr Alba takes some persuading to go anywhere. I’ve taken numerous trips with my kids/grandkid/significant others to my favourite little village up north on the west coast without him.

            I’m not great with huge vehicles, owing to a lifetime of not owning one. The biggest I drove was a Range Rover the rental people upgraded me to because they didn’t have the more modest car I’d ordered. I loved it, I must say – great for open Scottish roads up north, but I wouldn’t have wanted to have to park it around here.

            Although I did have a minibus license from the local authority at one time that allowed me to help drive a bunch of sweary teenagers from a rough school I was briefly at around bits of France, Germany and Italy, with tents.

            Yes, your locality does seem to be a bit flavoursome, brh. Glad mine’s quieter.

          • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

            Re the cost, brh, my first house cost £18K. The only car I’ve ever owned new was a Vauxhall Nova (definitely a lady’s car!) which cost £5K (no loans). I sold it two years later because I had an overdraft of £200 – £200!! – and it freaked me out being in debt. I bought my brother’s 7-year-old Mini Metro for not that much and it lasted me 8 years till its clutch died (and it was embarrassingly rusty). It would have cost £150 to fix and the car wasn’t worth that much so it went for scrap (£50).

            Cars are money pits. Glad I don’t have to maintain one.

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 3:31 pm #

            Vauxhall Nova

            Mini Metro

            Whew!

            Now we’re talking about some serious Iron!

            Nah, I don’t own stock in Chrysler; the Dodge Power Wagon was about the baddest, fuel suckingest 8 cylinder hog I could think of.

            Brh

          • Patriot March 9, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

            And yet,. Barack Obama buys waterfront property on Cape Cod Massachusetts. I guess he doesn’t know that the board brush effects of climate change are not good,.huh

          • edpell March 9, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

            On the fire, she was not trans so who cares?

          • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm #

            Patriot, it’s not rocket science.

            (1) People who buy a waterfront property on Cape Cod aren’t going to die if something happens to it. Chances are they’ve got a little pad somewhere else where they can take refuge.

            (2) Cape Cod isn’t going underwater in Obama’s lifetime. It’s a sloooow process and he’s going to get lots of nice summers out of it, hopefully without too many major storms.

            But if I had dosh, would I invest in waterfront property in Florida at this juncture? Er, no… but you go ahead if you think you can buck the trend. There may be deals to be had.

        • volodya March 9, 2020 at 3:02 pm #

          BRH, 60g is a pile of money for four wheels. Now, I know this isn’t a remotely exact parallel but it may serve to illustrate a point. Around the year 1970 my dad was making about 10G per year. He bought a full size Pontiac, 4 door for 3G, brand new. Now, that was 50 yrs ago so maybe my memory is a bit off. But I don’t think it’s that far off.

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

            No I don’t think they’re selling too many of those at that exhorbitant price, V

            Just having a little fun, here in the face of impending human extinction.

            For some reason I can’t get the (made for TV) movie ‘The Stand’ out of my head.

            Brh

        • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

          like at the level of the individual organism and how its interaction with its physical environment can act to create mutation

          LaMarkism was considered by Darwin and ultimately rejected, and it has been rejected by every sensible scientist ever since, particularly after the mechanism of evolution – genetic mutation – was all figured out.

          Natural selection is the means of culling, but there’s a lot more to the story than random mutation and natural selection and it was only recently that labs acquired the ability to quickly read DNA. And DNA is an enormously complex puzzle with multitudes of interlocking “wheels”.

          Sounds like Creationist talking points to me. Genetic mutation leading to species differentiation (and varying levels of long-term success) iIS evolution.

          But both these fields are infused with religion, politics, hysteria and bullshit. Too bad about that.

          Only by the lunar right who can’t handle the truth … for the rest of us – plus scientists – have no problem with it.

          • LagingRunatic March 11, 2020 at 11:32 am #

            Cargill, if you’re going to try to sound smart, please do a wee bit of fact checking before you post.

            What the fuck is “LaMarkism”? Did you mean Lamarckian evolution? The idea for which we remember Lamarck, the inheritance of acquired characteristics, was what Darwin wrestled with and “ultimately rejected.” However, you’re fully off your chime when you say that this has been rejected by every sensible scientist ever since. When I was a biology major in 1990, yours would have been considered an uncontroversial statement, but the relatively new field of transgenerational epigenetics has opened up the topic for debate again. That you don’t know this means you’re likely less familiar with biology than you think you are.

            Alas, you’re likely one of the many ignoramuses (left, right, or center) who say that “science is settled” when science, BY DEFINITION, is permanently unsettled, always open to correction by new discoveries. You likely also believe that the science is settled only when it comes to the science that you believe in, less so for the science with which you disagree.

            “Talking points” are what people who don’t have original thoughts or triple-digit IQs use. The rest of us do the best to make sense of the blooming buzzing confusion with which we’re presented using all available perspectives. That’s because truly intelligent people recognize that the universe, including the tiny slice experienced by talking monkeys, is far more complicated than any single viewpoint can encompass.

            Based on the comments on this page, I suspect you’re far more like “creationists” and the “lunar right” – a mirror image likely – than you would ever suspect.

            Now get back in your grain elevator.

          • Cargill March 11, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

            Oh good grief – not only does James attract the lunar right, white shock-jocks, deep-state paranoids, and Trump cultists, but we now have happy-clapping creationists and sundry anti-science god-botherers.

            By the way, Lamarkism is a general term to describe the long history of thought, associated with the inheritance of acquired characteristics (most often through use or disuse in the parent generation). It was – and remains – bad science

            It is generally used to distinguish it from Darwinism, and the evolution of species through natural selection. This has been especially so since the development and universal acceptance of the modern synthesis – the marriage of evolution with genetics.

            I hold two science degrees .. feel free to disagree with me, and maintain your creationist beliefs – but raging in anger and hurling personal attacks …. just makes you look silly and childish.

            Have a great day, comrade!

      • cbeard March 9, 2020 at 8:10 pm #

        Global warming is happening, and mans activities could be a factor, or maybe not. Maybe it’s a natural cycle. Either way, I don’t think anything can or will be done to mitigate it. It’s impossible to get all the tribes to work together on anything. As far as evolution being settled science, I don’t think so. I think it’s one of those things like the beginnings of life in general, that are currently unknowable. Some still call it the THEORY of evolution. Actually it isn’t something that I am particularly concerned with. Think about all the times that you had supposedly “settled science” that was proven to be completely erroneous after some new discovery that blew the settled science out of the water. Flat Earth anyone. Oh, this is for Cargill. P.S. Should have mentioned creationism, which has about the same probability as evolution.

        • Cargill March 11, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

          Except that evolution is 100% settled science – it’s the foundation of all the biological sciences to the same extent that gravity is a cornerstone of physics.

          Creationism on the other hand is 100% apple sauce, and a superstitious view only held by the childish, scared, or intellectually enfeebled.

          • volodya March 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

            Except that evolution is 100% settled science

            No, it ain’t hardly. Not even close.

            Cargill, I tried to enlighten you, I even recommended some reading of scientific journals and science mags. Maybe you missed it. It’s further down the discussion thread.

            And so did Lagingrunatic. He did you a favor, he referenced epigenetics. It’s a relatively new field. I first read about it about maybe ten or fifteen years ago in an article in Scientific American.

            You really need to bone up on this stuff.

            And you’re discrediting yourself, not least with this name calling.

          • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 12:13 am #

            Evolution – the marriage between speciation through natural selection (the adaptation of species | individuals to the natural environment they are in), and genetic understanding (the modern synthesis) is totally and utterly accepted and settled science..

            Say what you will – use all the name-calling you want – but you won’t change those scientific facts. It might grate against your Creationist cult beliefs, but so what? Don’t change nuffink.

  21. Robert White March 9, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, Jim.

    RW

  22. doggersize March 9, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    the world pretty much went on as always right after the Spanish Fluenza. the Asian flue of the late 1950s killed approximately 60 thousand Americans and the world went right on as normal. The Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s killed about 34 thousand americans and the world went right on as normal.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

      We didn’t rely on getting crap from China, is the difference.
      Many people including me have said that a nation that doesn’t manufacture anything is not and cannot be a secure nation.
      The money was too good for a small segment of our population, for anything to be done about this.

      • doggersize March 9, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

        people will not be able to replace their televisions as frequently. big deal.

        • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 4:00 pm #

          “people will not be able to replace their televisions as frequently. big deal.”

          Seriously, dogger?

          How about clothing and shoes? There is no textile industry in North America. I worry about work boots since I trash two or three pairs a year. What about most of the replacement parts that keep your car (and all the city buses and delivery trucks and farm tractors) usable? Maybe even the parts and supplies to keep municipal water, sewer, and other utilities up and running? They’re already recognizing problems with drugs and medical supplies, and grocery stores contain a fair amount of Asian foodstuffs.

          But all you can think about are televisions?

          • K-Dog March 9, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

            Consumer goods stopped using replaceable parts long ago. If you can’t buy new you won’t have it. Salad shooters will be in short supply and who cares. But everything will be in short supply because America makes nothing. That matters. We fully transitioned to a modern service economy where everything is bought but nothing is made. Now at the finish line we reach our end.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 10:58 pm #

            Yes, ridiculous doggerel from dogger. Thank God for Kpup to redeem dog kind.

          • aibohphobia March 10, 2020 at 1:40 am #

            I don’t know about the clothes, but I bought a pair of San Antonio Shoes (SAS) in 2010. They cost me $230.00, but I have been wearing them for 10 years now, with the original soles. They are quality made in the USA and available online or at outlets. Check ’em out 😉

      • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

        The money was too good for a small segment of our population, for anything to be done about this.

        No – the prices (and quality) were too good for millions of consumers – without globalisation we’d be watching youtube on a Hanimex slide projector that cost $800. We caused it – and still do.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:00 pm #

          Yeah, who cares about all the lost jobs as long as the newly minted homeless all have cellphones and can watch TV on those little screens, right punk?

          • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 12:21 am #

            Sadly – that’s totally and utterly how American (all) consumers operate. Price is everything. We’re getting better stuff from Japan at half the price and twice the quality? Great – let’s go for it! Where’s the nearest WalMart?

    • Sean Coleman March 9, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

      doggersize
      Yes

      • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 4:02 pm #

        doggersize
        No. Hell No!

    • Patriot March 9, 2020 at 4:12 pm #

      in the 2017-2018-2018-2019 flu seasons 161,000 Americans died from the flu with nary a whimper

  23. psteckler March 9, 2020 at 11:54 am #

    Right on cue, just received a text from Amazon saying my copy of “Living in the Long Emergency” is arriving tomorrow.

    • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

      Put on latex gloves, spray package with liquid pool shock then put it in the sun for a week, after that microwave it on high for 10 minutes. Unwrap and enjoy!

      • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 1:46 pm #

        Haha – there are some advantages to Kindle, then – no virus (of that kind anyway) whizzing its way through fibre-optic cable!

  24. nwcodetalker March 9, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

    I read in the New York Times article

    “but it is this second strain that is often expressed on the British left, from the communist Morning Star to the liberal New Statesman and The Guardian. Imported from American feminist circles during the 1970s, the argument is largely disowned in the United States.”

    I believe the argument, Trans women are not real, cis, women, is not largely disowned in the United States and nor is it a mouthpiece of communists.

    https://www.feministcurrent.com/

  25. Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

    A few months back, I happened to run into someone I hadn’t seen in years, and she filled me in on the doings of some people we both knew.
    I was saddened to learn of the passing, at a relatively young age, of a friend of mine.
    I say friend, but he wasn’t really a close friend, obviously, but he was someone I had always thought I would see again.
    He was an odd sort of man, nerdy even, sometimes exasperating; but, as another friend and I had once agreed on about him, he was someone you could count on, even if everyone else had deserted you.
    The kind of person you could pick up the phone and just say “I need help” to, and he would be there.

    I started thinking, after reading today’s essay (but not for the first time), of some of the most reliable and capable friends I have. It’s a funny thing about reliability, it goes hand in hand with self-reliance, and the self-reliant people I know all own guns.
    These are people who grow their own food, and now how to preserve it. Some hunt, some do not. They know how to fix their own vehicles.

    I’m also just now noticing, one of these people has had trouble with one of his kids, because the kid married a “woman of color” and decided the old man is a racist transphobic xenophobe or something.

    I am this very minute realizing the vale of the ‘trans’ movement.
    It gets harder and harder to allege racism in a society that really doesn’t care all that much about race anymore. So, in order to divide the younger generation from people like I have mentioned, their patriotic elders, they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.
    Now we have become deplorable, and the younger people are morally superior to us. Get it?

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

      Yep, it is splitting this country apart!

      Exactly what the haters want!!!

    • Sean Coleman March 9, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

      Beryl, it is a restless revolutionary spirit that cannot stand still. It resembles the media in this. In his polemic Addicted To Distraction Bruce Charlton says that our nihilistic, destructive media ‘are’ the Left. Myself, I think it is rather that both the Left and the media (I agree with him that they are much the same thing) live wholly in the collective fantasy. it is sheer non-sense. I do not even think they have it planned but rather they make it up as they go along, although the Left’s stupidity has been remarkably consistent through the decades.

      • Paul Ford O'Neil March 9, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

        Hello Sean,

        My friend Dr. E. Michael Jones has been tracking this “restless revolutionary spirit that cannot stand still.” for a number of years and has written some fascinating articles/books about same:

        https://culturewars.com/
        https://culturewars.com/news/kevin-macdonalds-metaphysical-blunder

        Polish those reading glasses and . . .

        Carry-on til you are carrion,
        PFO

        • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:04 pm #

          Yeah Jones doesn’t believe in Race. The reason why Blacks have failed at Civilization is because they got Christianity so late. Funny how that didn’t hold us back nor the East Asians, Indians, etc.

          He’s going to debate Jared Taylor in the near future. Taylor is going to wipe the floor with him.

        • Sean Coleman March 10, 2020 at 7:45 am #

          Paul, well spotted. I borrowed Jones’s phrase.

          He is required reading or watching. I bought his Jewish Rev. Spirit but have not read it yet. I have, however, read most of Solzhenitsyn’s Deux Siecles Ensemble (Two Centuries Together) about the Jews and Russia (there is no English translation) and it is most interesting (I was going to write ‘astonishing’ but I have stopped being astonished).

          I think I may have first heard about him from yourself on this blog, a comment which related to the Church scandals. I disagreed with him (and you) on that occasion because Jones was advancing an explanation for the scandals ( a reasonable one which said that the Church had been captured by the homosexuals, and, as with all of his arguments, he can (from memory) provide evidence and trace the events and personalities that led to it.). I disagreed because the whole thing is likely (albeit with some exceptions) a lie, a collective fantasy.

          I also disagreed with him on the Bitchute canal about the Epstein story. Jones seems tot believe that Epstein was operating a high-level blackmail ring using hidden cameras in his home or hones. I maintain that the evidence for this, or for any other of the far-fetched claims in the scandal, is conspicuous by its near-total absence. It is yet another collective fantasy,.

          He deleted some comments of mine. These are time-consuming so he did me a favour. This happens a lot to my comments on the internet and it is interesting from a psych9ological point of view. His Irish ancestors come from the same neck o fthe woods as my own family, Ballaghderreen (universally mis-pronounced nowadays by putting the stress on the final syllable).

          I also agree with Janos in that I think he is wrong about race. He refers to some sociological theory about identity in America being determined by religion.

          Nevertheless he is one of the most important thinkers, writers, commentators or whatever around. He wrote perceptively about the African AIDS fraud and noted that the main complainants against Weinstein had made sex videos.

          His short book about Hesenberg is excellent too.

    • K-Dog March 9, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

      You lost your mind. Your attempt to put a positive face on racism falls on its face. There were never were, and there are not now any ‘patriotic elders’ who came up with civil rights as a means of social control. Take responsibility for your weakness.

      You’d also be fine with everything if you had a piece of the pie and were in on the secret. Even if there were elders to shift blame to and avoid personal responsibility your Übermensch would deserve a place on a funeral pyre for failure no matter the cause. That is what your morality demands so you should apply it fairly, don’t you think?

      People need to stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.

      ‘ Candide, as he was returning home, made profound reflections on the Turk’s discourse. “This good old man,” said he to Pangloss and Martin, “appears to me to have chosen for himself a lot much preferable to that of the six kings with whom we had the honor to sup.” … “Neither need you tell me,” said Candide, “that we must take care of our garden.” “You are in the right,” said Pangloss; “for when man was put into the garden of Eden, it was with an intent to dress it: and this proves that man was not born to be idle.” “Work then without disputing,” said Martin; “it is the only way to render life supportable.”

      “How can happiness be found?”

      Voltaire’s answer:

      “Happiness lies in the cultivation of the garden.”

      • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

        Where did I say my reliable friends are all white?

      • volodya March 9, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

        Maybe I’m not getting what you’re saying but I don’t see racism in Beryl’s post. 

        We don’t know the nature of the conflict with the kid who married this “woman of color”. We really don’t know what led the kid to make this phobia accusation. Maybe it involved this woman of color and maybe some act she committed that didn’t sit well with the kid’s parent. And maybe the parent’s reaction didn’t sit well with the kid. But we don’t know what was done or said. 

        As to this modern-day moral preening that we see, that isn’t surprising, we’ve seen it all through history. You said it, it’s one method for acquiring status or power, or of getting rid of enemies and rivals. 

        You know, I’m holier than you. And, if you want to be as holy as me, YOU have to do as I do, not the other way around. Look, the sign of the cross with TWO fingers, NOT three. 

        You read all about it, the accusation of blasphemy or witchcraft or apostasy that led to the trial and burning at the stake. It’s now the accusation of one or other phobia that shuts people down and undercuts and destroys careers and reputation. 

        I think that Beryl is onto something; maybe racism is old hat, it’s SOOO 20th century, something for the old farts, but not nearly avant garde or hip or cool enough for the young ‘uns. 

        And I think Sean is right about collective fantasies. But we should take heart because I think there’s reason for optimism. I’ve read that the seriously insane can put aside their delusions if their physical survival is threatened. IOW nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of hanging.

        That’s the bright side to these multiple calamities in the making, whether it’s contagion or economics that don’t work, it will wake us all up from whatever dream world we’re nurturing, or we fucking die. 

        • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 5:58 pm #

          There are not nearly enough actual racist bogeymen to feed the paranoid paradigms of left-wing nut jobs like Cargill – or his alter ego Jussie Smollett. So they fabriacte racists and racist acts. Everyone not in line with their demented agenda is labelled “racist”.

        • hmuller March 9, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

          Another example just in…
          Another hate crime hoax was exposed after the words “white pride” were carved into the sidewalk outside a black-owned gym in Tennessee – by a black woman. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hate-hoax-black-woman-carves-white-pride-sidewalk-outside-black-owned-gym

          • Sean Coleman March 10, 2020 at 7:15 am #

            Thanks for that. The article links to a ‘hate hoax’ website.

            I did not realize there were so many such hoaxes. Colin Flaherty has covered some and I agree with him that they are fascinating.

            There is a staggering amount of deceit and delusion in the world now and this is what interests me.

      • volodya March 9, 2020 at 3:05 pm #

        But yeah, stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.

      • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

        “People need to stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.”

        Quite the pun “pick up a hoe” 😉

      • WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

        Spoken like a guy who really does need a Salad Shooter.
        And it that works out a little more effectively than you’ve bargained for, the same company has a division that makes adult diapers.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:05 pm #

        Define it Kdog. And then watch how different definitions are use for Whites and for Blacks. White pride is Racist. Everyone else’s pride is fine.

        Now admit it: You’ve never even noticed this all important fact.

        • K-Dog March 10, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

          Are you saying you would vote for a white Tranny? What do you say about the Night of the Long Knives? You have to have an opinion.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 11, 2020 at 2:02 am #

            Since you refused to answer I must assume you are fine with the onus against pride for Whites and only Whites – and that’s just wrong. Evil in fact.

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

      It gets harder and harder to allege racism in a society that really doesn’t care all that much about race anymore. So, in order to divide the younger generation from people like I have mentioned, their patriotic elders, they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.

      Yes – your attempt to defend (even romanticise) a racist, xenophobic, white nativist world as a happy place that we have lost … does rather fall flat on its face. And to equate that racist, xenophobic white nativist world with ‘patriotic’ – quite a stretch.

      I quite admire people who grow their own food, can preserve it, and can even fix their own cars … admirable skills, but there are millions of other useful skills too. And it has nothing to do with gun ownership – which does not get an automatic pass, I’m afraid.

      Next you’ll be saying (a) African-Americans don’t really belong in America, even though their families pre-date about 98% of white Americans, and (b) Democrats are un-American and treasonous, because they’re not like “us” … or something.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 2:29 pm #

        I have done no such thing. Your reading comprehension is a little (a lot) on the lower end of the scale.
        Why would I say black Americans don’t belong in America? Why would you imagine that I would think so?

        BTW, I couldn’t care less whether you give gun owners a pass or not.
        What I SAID was, the most reliable and self-reliant people I know are gun owners.

        • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

          Don’t worry about it, B of O.

          Cargille thinks just the fact that you and I are alive is a sign of racism.

          He sounds like a follower of the 1619 project.

          Brh

        • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

          What I SAID was, the most reliable and self-reliant people I know are gun owners.

          You said rather more than that – that there is some honourable tribe headed up by “patriotic elders” – whatever they might be – and “they” (who are they?) are dividing off the son – through the black missus, presumably.

          they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.

          And the racist, xenophobic, white nativist tribe ostracises anyone who sees the truth and dares call them out – like the son.

          They just wanted him to grow up, buy a pick-up and a gun, marry that nice Bobby-Sue (she’s only ba second cousin), get some work down at the slaughterhouse, and drink whiskey & rye with the good ole boys. Like a Real American LOL.

          • hmuller March 10, 2020 at 6:13 pm #

            I thought you were Australian. Don’t you have an Aborigine to lift out of poverty and educate? Instead you focus on mocking working class white Americans. Aside from having seen “Deliverance”, what do you know about those you paint with your broad brush of derision?

        • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

          Color of Crime:
          • Murder is the leading cause of death for Black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are other Black men 93 percent of the time.
          • Black males age 18-35 years of age are only 1.8% of the U.S. population, yet have committed 52% of homicides from 1980-2008. Black males (all ages) are only 6% of the U.S. population, yet commit 46% of all violent crimes, and 50% of the gun homicides. If Blacks were removed from the equation, the U.S. gun homicide rate would be equal to Great Britain’s, who have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.
          • The Black homicide rate is 17 per 100,000, a rate over 9x that of the White rate, and comparable to some of those most murderous countries in the world. If the homicide rate for the U.S. were the White-only rate, the homicide rate would drop 84%, making the U.S. rate comparable to European countries.
          • According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2018 survey of criminal victimization, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between Blacks and Whites last year, including White-on-Black and Black-on-White attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and Whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.
          • According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting for 2018, of the homicide victims for whom race was known, 53.3% were Black, 43.8% were White and 2.8% were of other races. In cases where the race of the offender was known, 54.9% were Black, 42.4% were White, and 2.7% were of other races.
          • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent. This means that a Black is 27 times more likely to attack a White person than vice versa.
          • For each one standard deviation increase in proportion of Black population, firearm homicide rate is increased by 82.8%. Therefore, the U.S. has a Black problem, not a gun or violent crime problem. When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
          • 40% of gun crime occurs in just three cities: 596 (10%) – St Louis, MO, 53 (11%) – Detroit, MI, and 1,527 (27%) – Chicago, IL.
          • Black males between 16-35 years of age are only 4.2% of the population, yet commit 72% of the street crime in America.
          • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black.
          • If New York City were all White, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all-White Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
          • The United States is third in murders throughout the world, but if you omit just five Black cities (Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, and New Orleans) from the equation, then the United States is fourth from the bottom.
          • Black serial killers have comprised over half of documented serial killers since the dawn of the 21st century at 56 percent, making up a total of 40 percent in years dating back to 1900. Blacks constituted 44% of the known serial killers during the 1995-2004 period and 38.2% of all multiple murderers (serial, mass, and spree combined) during 1976-1998 period. During the 2000-2010 decade, 62% of serial killers were Black.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:07 pm #

          Like all Conservatives, you crawl real good. If only you were what he says you are. People who believe in “Nice” could never have conquered this continent and created the United State of America.

          The etymology of “nice” is fool btw……

          • benr March 10, 2020 at 11:25 am #

            You are wrong.
            There is nothing wrong with being nice, until it’s time to not be nice.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMRHNFRZY9E

          • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

            That’s fine too, Ben – amongst our own. But we weren’t nice to the Indians. We wanted their lands and we took them in the name of Fathers and our God.

            Own it. Or go back to Europe and become a Muslim.

            The first duty of the Conqueror is the bear the hatred of the Conquered. No easy task. Driving them out is usually the best option or else they will seek revenge in all kinds of ways, big and small.

          • GreenAlba March 13, 2020 at 9:17 am #

            ” We wanted their lands and we took them in the name of Fathers and our God.”

            Does God not love Indians? Also I thought he didn’t like his name taken in vain. I think if he existed he might say take responsibility for your own murdering and don’t put it on me, mate.

      • Patriot March 9, 2020 at 4:17 pm #

        African-Americans don’t really belong in America, even though their families pre-date about 98% of white Americans. Lets see the proof behind that statement,. comrade. Or did it come out of your arse like most of the rest of your screed?

        • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 5:34 pm #

          Lets see the proof behind that statement,. comrade.

          The last slaves arrived in the US in 1859-1860 … and most had arrived a century and more prior to that. But the overwhelming balance of people who have descendants alive today, arrived after 1860.

          It would be pretty easy for almost every African-American to claim family in America from well before 1860 – but a far smaller percentage of today’s non-African-American population could equally do so. Not very many came over on the Mayflower.

        • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:29 pm #

          You have your facts wrong, More Blacks have moved to USA since 1965 than were here when Lincoln died.

          • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

            Possibly, but not the point of this discussion … I was talking about African-Americans who are descended from slaves, and all that that can entail.

            And the fact that many current African-Americans have much longer family histories in the US than most of the good ole white nativists in red hats – whose ragged-arse great-grandparents got to the US much later.

      • WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 10:41 pm #

        Since you’re apparently an Australian, maybe you’re best to just leave off the fantasy-driven, incorrect, and wildly insulting generalizations about Americans, especially those of the past.
        That’s a mighty fine glass house you live in down there.

        • benr March 10, 2020 at 11:27 am #

          He is not Australian that is a hoax he is an American propagandist pushing nonsense and propaganda.

          • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

            Paid handsomely by the Deep State too – have to afford the nice condo in Aspen.

    • Sean Coleman March 10, 2020 at 7:53 am #

      Paul, just to add that his videos get repetitive because he is just repeating his basic ideas to different audiences. This is all well and good. Peter Hitchens does the same and I expect everybody does. it is also helpful in getting a thorough understanding of a person’s views. However I am keeping an eye out now for videos where he tackles other subjects in some detail. There is a good one about education, the usefulness of the so-called strong sciences, about English literature and such like,.

      I do not share his interest in philosophy except in so far as it helps me to understand the psychology and motivations of historical figures. Jung wrote that introverts are not attracted to it as they think logically anyway (EMJ has his views on Jung too). Contrary to everyone else I have come across I believe Jung was an extravert and this would colour his understanding of things. Suffice to say that I have never arrived at a different understanding of the world through philosophy, just a better understanding of what makes philosophers tick (and really not even that).

  26. Soloview March 9, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

    Reading JHK this Monday I am beginning to suspect that the corona virus has begun to mutate in places to a super-atavism bug. On the other hand, I saw people loading two-year supply of toilet paper into their SUVs in a supermarket parking lot last night. Evidently, not everyone is ready to give up on civilization yet.

  27. Treekeeper March 9, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

    Just a tip, suburbia is full of ornamental apple, pear and cherry trees. Most of these will readily accept grafted wood taken from useful varieties. For example, you could convert a flowering crab apple to honeycrisp, golden delicious or any other variety you could get. The added benefit is since it is being grafted onto a mature tree, fruiting will occur much sooner. I plan to start a business offering this service in the vicinity of Albany, NY.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      I got some great honeycrisp apples in the Albany area this past season.
      Wish I had a flowering tree.

      I have some lousy invasive Chinese stuff out back, that will have to be cut down if I want to do any serious planting.

      • Treekeeper March 9, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

        No, the patent on it ran out and it isn’t trademarked. Most of the really new varieties are trademarked though. Interestingly, once their patent expired they can be propogated, just not called the trademarked name. For example, Pink Lady is trademarked, but the genetically identical variety Cripp’s Pink is not.

        • Treekeeper March 9, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

          Frack, meant to reply to Malthuses question below.

        • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

          I have apples, pears, peaches and cherries Literally hundreds of lbs. I don’t spray. They all have spots. I can’t even give them away. People won’t eat them. Their loss. The animals however love them

          • Treekeeper March 9, 2020 at 4:08 pm #

            That’s common. You could always make booze out of them ? Sad thing is, the stuff that causes those spots is harmless to humans. Can’t say that about insecticides used on fruit crops. One common class of insecticides, organophosphates, was discovered through research into chemical weapons, specifically nerve agents.

          • Daddyotis March 9, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

            I have exactly the same variety, SEF, with the addition of a moody apricot tree and a very prolific and large elderberry bush. I have a feeling if the SHTF, people won’t be as picky about spots on the fruit varieties they’re begging from those who have prepared

          • benr March 9, 2020 at 5:48 pm #

            Wish we lived closer I would eat em!

    • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

      does the owner of Honeycrisp [tm] get a royalty? Im not joking.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 9, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

        That’s an interesting question. One I never thought about, because I only ever buy the apples, never the tree.

      • djk March 9, 2020 at 5:43 pm #

        they do

        • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:29 pm #

          thanks…book> The Ownership of All Life.

  28. axisboldaslove March 9, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

    Great piece today, Jim, thank you!

  29. djk March 9, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

    Good post Jim, You are absolutely correct, The Long Emergency is here. Glad it is spring, got a lot of planting to do soon. We need to finish Maple syrup production here first. Thank you, hope your site stays up……don from New Hampshire

  30. capt spaulding March 9, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    SUMMER IS ICUMIN IN

    Summer is icumin in

    Sing Corona Flu

    Grows the seed and blows the mead

    And springs the wood anew

    Sing Corona Flu

  31. K-Dog March 9, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

    Sing the Corpus Corona,
    The flock of those who spread surrounds me as I surround,
    I’ll not be free till it comes to me, removes,
    the stain and move the bleaching on.

    It was sure that those who rule from walls would hide.
    From hidden walls there is no difference between the living and the dead.
    If the body does not tend the garden how can the garden tend the soul.
    The garden cultivates, but the walls hide,
    the body and the soul.

  32. K-Dog March 9, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

    I need to get out and till the soil. This week! I have about 10 x 15 feet on the side of the house. It gets more shade than I like but it works.

    I don’t know what I am doing. I am two generations from the land. I need to read this.

    https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-grow-a-victory-garden-1388679

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 5:57 pm #

      K-dog

      Learning to garden is finding out what will grow in your area. Planting stuff that is ill suited leads to failures, pest infestations, poor results.

      Happy gardening!

      • K-Dog March 10, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

        I live in Seattle. If I get a Portland Oregon Manual I should be fine. Portland birds started showing up three years ago.

  33. WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

    I’ll probably be back a bit later after re-reading – and why wouldn’t I re-read such fine writing – to make some of my typical comments. But most importantly, I do want to say thanks for the fine writing, it’s rare these days, beyond rare.
    (and my non-fine punctuation and personal syntax should not be construed to mean I am a poor judge of such things)
    So yes, thanks for that, and hopefully it will keep on, along with the ability for hunkering persons to comment. Also rare.
    The Internet used to be (as someone else once described it) a lot like Summer Camp. I really miss those days.

  34. volodya March 9, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

    Dow’s in shitter territory. Down 2000 pts.

    • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

      Wow I’m up a ton!! Dow 2/8/16 15,973. Today 24,073 as I write. I’m up 50.7 % in 5 years. Things are great. I am rich!! This market is UP.UP. UP!! To The MOON, Alice!! Me thinks the fed should relax and provide some stimulus. I need MORE!!

    • ellipsis March 9, 2020 at 3:42 pm #

      Deals abound! Funny, isn’t it, how everywhere else price cuts are a cause for celebration? With stocks, people buy them and expect them to appreciate based on no efforts on their part (nor the firm’s either, in many if not most cases), other than the alleged acumen the buyer displayed for buying them. Fool’s gold indeed.

      • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

        So I picked up 40 lbs, of beans, keep back 200 feet!!

        https://www.webstaurantstore.com/dried-chick-peas-garbanzo-beans-20-lb/111GARBANZO.html

      • akmofo March 9, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

        Is aping commie-jihadi propaganda all you’re good for?

        Seems you’re not that interested in buying the “means of production” after all. It matters not the price, discounted or not, it’s all “fools gold”. You’re smarter than all. You be collecting the welfare checks from the bankrupt government.

        And then the envy depression and bloodlust overcomes the diseased mind, because it’s the “Zionists” who separated youz and youz great missing fortunes! Them manipulates da worldz against youz!

        • stelmosfire March 9, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

          Huh??

          • akmofo March 9, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

            That was for … , not for you elmo.

      • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 5:17 pm #

        With stocks, people buy them and expect them to appreciate based on no efforts on their part (nor the firm’s either, in many if not most cases)

        This is only part of the story … some of us purchase shares and never sell them – my wife and I have bought quite a lot over the years, and have never sold any.

        We don’t buy solely (or even mainly) on the basis of capital gains … we are retirees and the dividend return is far more useful to us, so the performance of the company in the real world is quite important.

        We stick to steady, long-term, blue-chips, and a couple of indexes. A 20% drop in share price is much less important that the overall strength of the economy, and the company performance. Too many people obsess over what the Wall Street casino is doing.

        The question remains – when to BTD.

        • akmofo March 9, 2020 at 9:26 pm #

          The question remains – when to BTD.
          ==

          -20%
          or
          -50%

          We’re at -20% now and are due for a short bounce. But this will likely start to morph from a -20% to a -50% in a few weeks from now.

          Not sure if your AUD, when converted to USD, will allow you to really take advantage of the discounted prices. Seems to me the AUD likes to follow the SPX down, and at an even faster pace. Best to already have USD at hand now.

          • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:01 pm #

            The ASX (Sydney) has also fallen ~20% – I only buy Australian shares with Australian dollars.

            And we do have some valuable USD bills – we bought them in NYC some years ago when the AUD was worth $US1.04 … the AUD is now worth only about $US0.65. I shoulda bought more.

        • WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 10:16 pm #

          LOL I get the obstreperous virtue signaling now.

  35. wpa_ccc March 9, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

    The Trump market crash will likely be even worse than the George W. market crash. There’s obviously steep competition for these types of titles in the GOP.

    I guess Trump could only ride Obama’s coat-tails for so long. Reality was bound to intrude eventually.

    • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 4:54 pm #

      WPA please seek help immediately…you need it very badly. Your grasp on reality is slipping if you let it get too far there might be no helping you.

    • EvelynV March 9, 2020 at 8:03 pm #

      wpa-ccc

      Best quip in a long time.

      Trump riding Obama’s coat-tails. Amen.

      Like Bush riding Clinton’s.

      • WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 10:26 pm #

        Right, cuz Clinton rode Bush’s.
        Bush set up NAFTA, Clinton signed off on it. He said it was going to send all the shit jobs overseas, freeing American workers up to enjoy all the better paid mid-level and management jobs that would multiply like rabbits in JHK’s garden.
        Win-win. Emerging nations would get their next logical, developmental step forward and so would the American worker. That’s all I have to say about that.

  36. fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 4:53 pm #

    So the big concern is that people are getting corona virus twice.

    The disease is much more virulent the second time often causing death or organ damage.

    Officials promised to monitor and track the new dos equis strain closely…

    <>

    • fugeguy March 9, 2020 at 4:59 pm #

      Bad joke I heard in a packed bar in Chicago this weekend. The bartender did not even notice the irony.

      • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

        Here our favourite lager is XXXX – because Australians can’t spell “beer”.

  37. Patriot March 9, 2020 at 5:14 pm #

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/smoking-marijuana-may-harm-your-heart-though-more-research-is-needed/ar-BB10Xa13?ocid=spartanntp

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me…s-say-think-again/ar-BB10Gxxt?ocid=spartanntp

    Cargill,. Green Alba, WPA, Janet Asorka Seawolf and all you other brain damaged tokers take note

    • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

      You seem to be confused, Patriot. I’m the boring one from Edinburgh. 🙂

      And your second link doesn’t show anything.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 11:13 am #

      And I’m the boring one from Melbourne – and have never ever been a stoner … I like my Chardonnay too much (BTW that’s a crisp, dry white wine, and wine is an alcoholic drink derived from the fermentation of grapes).

  38. Patriot March 9, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

    Now please enlighten me. Of all the corona virus deaths so far, how many victims were 65 and over or had one of the following conditions:cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer?

    • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

      doesnt matter if one is one of the dead.

    • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 7:20 pm #

      In Italy, the deaths are starting at age 50.

      • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

        stay away.

        • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 8:37 pm #

          From you or from Italy? I wasn’t planning to approach either.

  39. Pucker March 9, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

    “… though it is still not known if corona virus was actually created by Gaia’s wards, Homo sapiens, themselves, who are suddenly feeling the blowback.”

    The story seems to be that a Chinese “Post-Doc” working in the P4 lab in Wuhan accidentally got infected and then died quickly. It was then transmitted to people in the course of improperly handling her dead body. This may explain why they immediately cremate the dead bodies in Wuhan. It was a virus being developed for a bioweapon, but not yet perfected. The goal is to create a bioweapon that can quickly wipe out the population of a city, but burn itself out relatively quickly so that it doesn’t blow back and redound to attack your own people. Very Evil…

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 6:24 pm #

      The story seems to be that a Chinese …

      And where did this story come from?

  40. Patriot March 9, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

    Most vulnerable are the elderly, as well as people with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer, according to an article in The Scientist, a magazine for people in the life sciences field. As Lisa Gralinski, a virologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in the article: “If you’re over 50 or 60 and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.”

    According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying. Of course the same percentage probably occurs with any of those folks who get “conventional flu”

    Check this AARP article out:https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html
    During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States8. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza9,10. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019.

    Our estimates of hospitalizations and mortality associated with the 2018–2019 influenza season continue to demonstrate how serious influenza virus infection can be. We estimate, overall, there were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season. More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ?65 years. Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection. An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake11.

  41. KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 5:45 pm #

    ” When the dust settles from all that, we’ll discover one of the primary conditions of the new era: we’re poorer — a lot of what we took to be money, or things that represented money, were figments. “Money” itself, as manifested in currencies, may become a slippery concept, with low credibility. If that’s the case, people ought to ask themselves: how can I be useful or helpful to the others around me in a way that will raise my own social capital and accumulate, at least, the good will of these other people, and perhaps some of their help or service in return for mine? That is the beginning of building a local community — people bound together by mutual obligations, responsibilities, duties, and rewards. ”

    What you are describing is feudalism.

    Why you don’t go ahead and call a thing what it is points to how and why you wound up with the lunacy of LGBT in the first place.

    You have had 500 years of revolutions which were actually bad ideas.

    Because they were bad ideas , the dogmas and rhetoric to paper over that need necessarily become ever more fantastic , shrill , and finally desperate and hysterical.

    You need further revolutions which are even worse than the original ones.

    It’s all for nothing , as what progress you have actually seen was the product of Spanish silver mines , cheap coal , and cheap petroleum.

    And not in anything said in the Declaration of Independence , in The Communist Manifesto , or the quotes and quips of Adam Smith or Betrand Russel.

    And history abounds in examples where the winners writing the history books only resulted in the winners becoming losers because they bought into their own self – flattering propaganda and it made them blind to easy to see realities.

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 6:35 pm #

      What you are describing is feudalism.

      Well not really – feudalism was a social | political system where the mass of the population were rural, and legally tied to a landowner, in much the same way that a landowner might own cattle or slaves.

      I don’t think James (or anyone else) is suggesting that this is either desirable or our fate in the future. Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, and with the heavy depopulation of rural areas, labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power.

      • KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

        What we have already is feudalism — without the good parts.

        I don’t know how they do things in Australia , but in the United States , just you try getting a job as a street sweeper without being obliged to piss into a cup .

        And the puerile excuse given as to why this is necessary is security.

        As if street – sweeping has anything to do with any security issue whatever.

        Never mind the owners , the average serf here has less regard for the serf next door than for cattle.

        And if we called them slaves I suspect it would be an upgrade in real respect.

        ” … legally tied to a landowner, in much the same way that a landowner might own cattle or slaves. ”

        You are still legally tied to a landowner , except the landowner is lacking corporeal form or a ready identification.

        How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.

        As for the ” legally ” part , to say there are a thousand times more legal restrictions now , than then , is no exaggeration.

        How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.

        ” I don’t think James (or anyone else) is suggesting that this is either desirable or our fate in the future. ”

        James thinks the FBI ( the Stassi by another name ) and the CIA ( the KGB by another name ) can be reformed.

        “…labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power. ”

        In other words a natural calamity , not any sort of political program or movement , had an unintended and unforeseen positive outcome.

        • KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

          ” Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, ”

          That’s 400 years before the American Revolution.

          So , I suppose , the irony is that the consequences had scarce any relation to , or baring , on any agenda you people are currently pushing.

          ” labor …. had more power. ”

          Meant what , for example ?

          The equivalent police budgets of the time necessarily had to be slashed across the board.

          Court orders were ignored.

          The peasants had the leverage to bodily throw the equivalent of social workers off their front porch.

          ” Fuck off , you nosey busy – body control freak ! ” was the common attitude of the day.

          ” Resumes ? Background checks ? drug tests ? Nope , fuck that shit. I’ll take my labor elsewhere. ”

          Maybe I misjudge you people —

          — but I don’t think so.

          I don’t think those are outcomes that you , or James , or Janos , or John Az , look forward to.

          Not least because they ARE outcomes I look forward to.

          So there’s another irony.

          • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 8:16 pm #

            ” Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, ”
            That’s 400 years before the American Revolution.

            The ironical side is that the Black Death (albeit a bacterium) has a faint parallel with the economic disruptions currently arising from the coronavirus.

            So , I suppose , the irony is that the consequences had scarce any relation to , or baring , on any agenda you people are currently pushing.

            I’m not sure I’m pushing any agenda, and certainly not one relating to all of us being bombed back to a simpler, poorer life – where having a couple of well-watered acres might be rather more valuable than a flash apartment in Soho.

            ” labor …. had more power. ” Meant what , for example?

            With the depopulation of much of rural Europe, and the breakdown of formerly fixed social relations, peasants had more power to exploit the fact that landowners needed labour, and were prepared to pay for it – Economics 101.

            The equivalent police budgets of the time necessarily had to be slashed across the board.
            Court orders were ignored. The peasants had the leverage to bodily throw the equivalent of social workers off their front porch. ” F*ck off , you nosey busy – body control freak ! ” was the common attitude of the day.

            Not sure what all this means – other than to suggest that in time of extreme social disruption, formerly solid social and economic rules can and do break down. Hardly surprising.

            ” Resumes ? Background checks ? drug tests ? Nope , fuck that shit. I’ll take my labor elsewhere. ”

            In a market economy you have that choice – not under a feudal one.

            Maybe I misjudge you people — but I don’t think so.

            Who are these “you people” – aliens from Mars?

            I don’t think those are outcomes that you , or James , or Janos , or John Az , look forward to.

            I certainly am too long into my allocated lifespan to start digging with a hoe and planting spuds and apple trees, but apart from that I think an orderly simplification of life would be a great thing for people, for social relations, for cities and the countryside, and for the planet.

            But there would be a lot of pain to go through to get there – the elimination of cars would be an excellent start, but it’s totally unrealistic – change will have to be incremental, sustainable, and aiming to the max to avoid the rich staying rich and the poor getting screwed.

            Not least because they ARE outcomes I look forward to. So there’s another irony.

            If you wish to see a sudden and very painful economic disruption and revolution, you perhaps need to be careful for what you wish for. All I’m saying.

        • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

          What we have already is feudalism — without the good parts.

          No it isn’t – it’s a misuse (in a hyperbolic way) of a terms that described a specific and long-lasting military | economic | social system.

          I don’t know how they do things in Australia , but in the United States , just you try getting a job as a street sweeper without being obliged to piss into a cup.

          City councils (and others) can and do enforce drug tests for new and existing employees, but I expect it’s much less common in Australia.

          Never mind the owners , the average serf here has less regard for the serf next door than for cattle.

          I’ll check my privilege and advise I have never been a serf in any sense – even yours – but in general Australians get on pretty well with neighbours … part of our culture. Cattle are more valuable than people – they have monetary value as assets – whereas people come and go, and are only paid wages.

          And if we called them slaves I suspect it would be an upgrade in real respect.

          I won’t touch that one – but it sounds like you might think slavery had a positive side.

          You are still legally tied to a landowner , except the landowner is lacking corporeal form or a ready identification.

          Not sure what this means – most people are wage-earners or receive government benefits, but they aren’t legally tied to anyone.

          How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.

          I have no idea what this is referring to – I haven’t expressed any views about the desirability or otherwise of the sorts of futures that JHK is envisaging, or warning of.

          As for the ” legally ” part , to say there are a thousand times more legal restrictions now , than then , is no exaggeration.

          I agree that the mass of legislation is faintly ridiculous, but nothing even 1% as onerous as the restraints on freedom that real serfs endured.

          How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.

          See above – I didn’t make any comment or value judgement on the desirability of more laws.

          James thinks the FBI ( the Stassi by another name ) and the CIA ( the KGB by another name ) can be reformed.

          Good luck with that – but it isn’t a party-political issue – institutions of the state are pretty good at self-preservation, whether we’re talking about the US or anywhere else.

          “…labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power. ” In other words a natural calamity , not any sort of political program or movement , had an unintended and unforeseen positive outcome.
          Hardly – there were long and often bloody struggles right through the Middle Ages, and into the Enlightenment and then the industrial age. Events like the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381, and Watt Tyler.

          I come from a long trade-union background (grandfather, father, etc) – and most of the privileges and conditions you and I enjoy today have resulted from long and arduous struggles by unionists against the mighty forces of capitalism.

          Every reform was fought against viciously by powerful vested interests (and they still do it), but collective action (followed by parliamentary representation) meant that the workers have had huge wins among many losses.

          The union history of the Democratic Party is a very proud one – and rightly so. Why do you think capital has spent the last to generations eviscerating the trade union movement? The insecurity and low pay of work today is what is making people into serfs again.

          • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

            I don’t know it is in Australia, but the only significant unions here are public sector unions. Everybody working for town, city, state and the federal govt is in a union of some sort. There’s your bulk of union membership in the USA.

            BRH

          • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

            There’s your bulk of union membership in the USA.

            Australia has seen a significant decline in union membership over the past 40 years – that’s for sure – but apart from strong public sector unions, we do still have some powerful-ish private sector unions: construction, mining, retail, transport, various trades, and so on.

            Th Labor Party leadership (state and federal) still comes from the union movement mostly – or the lefty legal fraternity. The sense of the Labor Party having strong union ties seems much greater than for the Democratic Party (and its ties to minorities).

            But I’m a fair way away to really make a decent comparison.

          • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 9:44 pm #

            So why did Obama tax the corporations to the point that they off-shored their manufacturing to other non-union countries?

            Obama was a Deep Stater, like the four before him.

            The DeepState wants serfs. Both parties are fighting immigration limits so more serfs can come in. The lack of quality education is creating serfs from our kids.

            The unions have shriveled because the Dem side of the Deep State has not supported them. No argument with you re: the GOP.

          • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 10:16 pm #

            So why did Obama tax the corporations to the point that they off-shored their manufacturing to other non-union countries?

            This is a myth – corporations were taking production to low-cost nations years (decades?) before 2008.

          • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 10:23 pm #

            The unions have shriveled because the Dem side of the Deep State has not supported them. No argument with you re: the GOP.

            This happened to some extent in Australia – we had two very good Labor prime ministers between 1983 and 1996 – they made deals with capital, to get some serious labour reforms through – and they were good.

            The country was outrageously “modernised” in a bit more than a decade.

            But it was definitely the fag-end of the old-fashioned cloth-cap unionism that we had for about a century.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:17 pm #

            The Unions joined the Capitalists. They’re for Open Borders now too. Back when it was real, it was understood that illegal immigrant lowered wages (as does legal immigration of course). They were seen as what they are: Scabs.

      • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 9:35 pm #

        Two additions

        Europe was becoming urbanized, improvements in agricultural practices obsoleted some of the serf positions and the moved to the city. The lack of sanitation in the critics were a direct cause of the Black Death’s effectiveness. Rats and fleas. So what did the Church tell them to do? Kill all the Satanic black cats, Smart!

        The Black Death took away the Church’s omnipotence. People looked to other areas for inspiration, hence the Renaissance and Reformation. The cities started building, creating jobs, Masons, Guilds, all the precursors of labor movements. The Lords and Ladies and clergy have been losing influence ever since.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 9, 2020 at 11:18 pm #

          And the new Capitalist Aristocracy – far more vicious than the old – began to arise.

          Wake up.

  42. KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 6:16 pm #

    ” Yes – your attempt to defend (even romanticise) a racist, xenophobic, white nativist world as a happy place that we have lost … does rather fall flat on its face. ”

    Yes.

    But why ?

    Because it wouldn’t be a happy place for Blacks or transsexuals ?

    Or , actually , because this regime doesn’t care any more for white nativists than it does for Blacks , transsexuals , Eskimos , or Baptists ?

    ” And to equate that racist, xenophobic white nativist world with ‘patriotic’ – quite a stretch. ”

    Man hath no greater love than this ; Than that he gets his head blown off for the sake of family and neighbors.

    Tearing down Confederate monuments does rather piss in the face of that whole idea , to be sure.

    As , likewise , making out that George Armstrong Custer was some kind of asshole ,

    instead of just an unlucky cavalry commander — a cavalry commander who met his fate carrying out a policy which , at the fundamental level , is no less popular among progressives today than it was in 1876.

    Only the identity of the threatening or obstructionist aborigine has changed on that score.

    • EvelynV March 9, 2020 at 7:53 pm #

      KesaAnna

      Custer WAS an asshole. Not that it is relevant but he graduated last in his class from Westpoint. Distinguished himself somewhat in the Civil war but probably because of how willingly he sent his soldiers into cannon fire.

      His assholery has to do with how badly he hated Indians plus his reckless quest for glory leading him to lead a few hundred probably equally Indian hating soldiers to their death.

    • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 11:43 pm #

      Man hath no greater love than this ; Than that he gets his head blown off for the sake of family and neighbors. Tearing down Confederate monuments does rather piss in the face of that whole idea , to be sure.

      I might strongly disagree that going to war is a noble act … but I’ll let it pass.

      In terms of tearing down Confederate statues, changing the names of stadiums and halls at universities, etc … I’m actually kind of in favour of leaving them there.

      So that when Northern folk and others go happy-motoring on a road-trip, they can see what it was really like: that there were a whole bunch of Southerners who were willing to die in a ditch for a very ugly slave system.

      • benr March 10, 2020 at 11:31 am #

        You forget that once freed most of the northerners wanted them slaves shipped back to Africa and the ones that did go back did not do so well.

        • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

          I ave no doubt that most African-Americans did better / do better in America than in Africa … but hardly the point. Their status and life chances as equal Americans is where the issues lie.

          Unless you believe America is only for White people, and everyone else is just a guest or a pest.

  43. malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

    https://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    down 2k, =7%.

  44. malthuss March 9, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

    from JHK post today,

    The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident.

    Nobody knows yet just how deeply the effects of corona virus will cut through daily life in the weeks ahead.

    The potential for disorder isn’t tiny, looking at the current situation, at least in terms of broken business relationships and the flow of vital goods.
    We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. Be prepared for plenty of action when the hunkering ends and the hungering begins.
    [is this TLE, st 1?]

    DJIA down 2k today.

    • KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

      ” We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. ”

      Because we can afford such frivolous luxury.

      ” Be prepared for plenty of action when ,,, the hungering begins. ”

      People will go back to work to pay their bills. Control freak ideas not withstanding.

      Unless all this American Revolution rhetoric is complete garbage , and you actually really do believe the average person is dumber than a cow ?

      • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

        Kesa,
        A prickly, but honest question.

        How long will it take before our minority population accepts the meme that the white man developed the Coronavirus to keep them down? This has been suggested regarding guns, narcotics, and liquor.

        Latest Hell Ship is being disembarked into the Port of Oakland. I’ve been there, of course. It is an industrial site, where containers are unloaded and old ships broken up for scrap. A good choice to contain and dissemble the ship’s compliment of passengers and crew…no terminal, no public transportation, and controllable.

        I’m not being cute. A fair percentage of the residents of Oakland feel put-upon. It is just a matter of time.

        • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 5:33 pm #

          and dissemble the ship’s compliment of passengers – elysian

          =============

          At risk of permanent banning may I point out that the words dissemble and disassemble have totally different meanings?

          But your point is a good one. When I saw that giant ship docked at Oakland I thought to myself, the locals have GOT to be pissed.

          • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 7:40 pm #

            Q,
            I stand corrected. My only excuse is a public school education. And stupidity. And old age….

            I do appreciate the correction.

  45. BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 7:37 pm #

    Don’t let the apocalyptic corona virus distract from what’s really important, CFNers, and that is the Michigan Dem primary tomorrow.

    And the head to head debate between Sanders and Biden. Subject: what’s a better pick me up, Geritol, or a straight shot of brandy. These two ancients will also be discussing the Glory Days back in ’70, when along with Allen Ginsburg and poet Robert Lowell, they tried to levitate the Pentagon. The goal was to end the Viet Nam War. “What a time that was, huh Bernie?” “Joe, these kids today, they just don’t know the greatness of our generation. May we live forever”.

    CSN&Ys song “Wooden Ships” is playing in the background. Afterward the bongs are brought out.

    Brh

    • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

      Alan Ginsburg. pedo

    • KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 7:55 pm #

      ” the Glory Days back in ’70, ”

      The entire country lives full time in the Glory Days back in ’70.

      It is perhaps so much the worse that the 1960’s – 1970’s were a pretty good time.

      “…the greatness of our generation. ”

      Considering that gas was fifty cents a gallon , what is incredible is how little they accomplished . How much they had , and how little they did with it.

      • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 8:17 pm #

        Yes, very insightful, Kesa Anna.

      • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

        Considering that gas was fifty cents a gallon , what is incredible is how little they accomplished . How much they had , and how little they did with it.

        With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today – perhaps you don’t appreciate how drag and dull the 1960s mostly were. And I haven’t even mentioned the feminist movement, gay rights, and the environment movement.

        Plus we ended the Vietnam War (aka the War of American Aggression). I think you oughta be grateful for what the boomers achieved!

        • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 9:08 pm #

          The wars in South East Asia were ended by the Chinese, who stepped in in 1980. Much like we picked up for the French after their defeat in 1954. To Australia’s credit you gave us a hand in Viet Nam.

          Brh

  46. dah plunge protection team March 9, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

    The plunge protection team rode the six flags Kingda Ka coaster today….. Big step up from the little tea-cup ride.

  47. 100th Avatar March 9, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

    This corona virus is like nothing we’ve ever seen.
    It kills a small percentage of the elderly and infirm people that it infects. Even some healthy people.
    It’s like the flu with a different name, but a lot less mortality.

    Wake me when the hysteria fades, or the markets finish with their ingenious excuse for a correction.

    • EvelynV March 9, 2020 at 7:57 pm #

      Perception becomes reality.

      Read JHK’s perception today.

    • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

      “It’s like the flu with a different name, but a lot less mortality.”

      Avatar,
      So Italy and China are destroying their economies for nothing?” Tee Hee. ‘Murica wins again….

      • 100th Avatar March 11, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

        Elysium lots,

        Tee hee.. Italy has an economy?

        Is it to destroy it?

        Think
        About
        It

  48. Htruth March 9, 2020 at 8:02 pm #

    The Bailouts Are Coming: https://youtu.be/NCpXiY–l64

  49. Pucker March 9, 2020 at 8:18 pm #

    Why do you suppose that Stalin didn’t kill the middle aged, married Russian, Jewish bloke who popped his daughter’s (Svetlana’s) cherry?

    Stalin killed everyone else….

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    Simon Sebag Montefiore

    • GreenAlba March 9, 2020 at 9:03 pm #

      I don’t know, but that’s the second time you’ve asked us, Pucker, so I can see it’s playing on your mind. 🙂

  50. malthuss March 9, 2020 at 8:26 pm #

    .

    Here in the dying rust belt the “Bridge Card”, our state welfare EBT card, fills every month. The diversity takes the cash benefit out and then either does straw purchases for small restaurants at Costco, or purchases baby formula cases and returns them for cash, using the WIC and food stamp money to get cash. (*I have been on our charity funding boards a few times and get the sob stories) from the groups.

    There are charity groups, mostly church related, who run kitchens for old people and kids on the weekends and for dinners, but they run out of money which is why the schools have to serve breakfast and lunch.

    They do provide baby formula, but require the mom to bring a baby before they issue a can for a meal.

    Cut that off and force them to use the money on children? You are going to get children starving.

    .

    • malthuss March 9, 2020 at 8:27 pm #

      .

      AND

      The school district I work in went to the “dinner” option 2 years ago. The kids get served a meal approximately 15-30 minutes before they are dismissed. This is on top of the breakfast and lunch they are also given, all on the taxpayer’s dime.
      You’d be disgusted if you saw the percentage of food that ends up tossed in the garbage, as they are REQUIRED to take everything offered but do not have to eat it if they don’t want to. These ghetto rats learn at an early age that Uncle Sam (via whitey) will hand them everything they want/need in life and all they have to do to “earn” it is to hold out their hand.
      These people are all celebrating our replacement but do not have the brains to realize that after all the people paying for it are gone that the supply also goes away (ie Rhodesia).

      .
      ….

      • Cargill March 9, 2020 at 11:57 pm #

        These people are all celebrating our replacement but do not have the brains to realize that after all the people paying for it are gone that the supply also goes away (ie Rhodesia).

        I don’t think any significant “replacement” is ever going to occur in the US – that’s just crazy talk.

        However I have some sympathy for the bigger point. I worked for many years with Aboriginal people who were on very low incomes, and 100% of that came from government (through a mix of cash, and our equivalent of food stamps).

        It really was appalling – how much we had to bend over backwards to help these people – even just to feed them properly – but, what can you do?

        If you chop off such welfare payments, then you wind up (often) with much bigger problems – trouble on the streets, houses being robbed, cars of the rich and middle-class scored with keys, and much else.

        Here in Australia we’ve taken the view (for right or wrong) that this commitment to never-ending welfare payments is a worthwhile investment.

        Intractable problems need funding forever.

        • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

          “If you chop off such welfare payments, then you wind up (often) with much bigger problems – trouble on the streets, houses being robbed, cars of the rich and middle-class scored with keys, and much else…”

          Cargill,
          We have all those problems now…WITH welfare….

  51. Tnandy March 9, 2020 at 8:30 pm #

    We’ve raised most of our food for 35 years now, so this spring won’t be any different unless it looks like food shortages are appearing. We garden, and raise a lot of food 3 1/2 seasons in a 20×40 hoop house.

    Have laying chickens, we usually get 25-30 CornishX for meat (they only take 8wks from day old chick to 6-7lb finish bird). Raise catfish in a couple of small ponds, fed by the run off our spring that also provides house water. Generally buy a couple of feeder pigs and slaughter in the fall, along with a beef. I built a walk-in cooler to process out meats in a summer kitchen off the back of the house garage.

    We can, freeze (6 small chest freezers), root cellar, etc. Power is a 16kw solar setup, grid tied, but with battery backup. House is heated with wood, have 2 years worth cut/split/stacked in sheds all the time. Use propane for cooking/water heating, keep 2-3 years stocked.

    Basically, the world could do whatever, and we’d be fine “quarantining at home” for a couple years.

    • wpa_ccc March 9, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

      Excellent!

    • Farmer McGregor March 9, 2020 at 9:57 pm #

      Hey there, Tnandy, sounds really good.

      I’d encourage you to do a thorough “HACCP” analysis of your situation to identify vulnerabilities. For instance, concerning your livestock: how dependent are you for feed from outside sources? Can you produce more of that yourself? You mention propane; are you prepared to do without? Are you (yet) growing grains and dry beans, and prepared to harvest and process by hand? Personally, I like my bread and beer.

      My biggest concern is seeds: If we can no longer mail order seed stock, we’ll be toast. And don’t kid yourself about how easy it is to just ‘save the seeds’ from the produce you grow. Many of the plants we depend on can only be grown for seed, or for consumption, not both. Or else they require very careful handling during production to preserve cultivar purity.

      Consider going into small scale seed production for your bioregion while it’s not yet a necessity. Best to ya’.

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 9:58 pm #

      Quarantining at home = cocooning

    • Vinnie the Vintner March 9, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

      Tnandy, sounds like a nice, sustainable life. I’ve been too busy to read comments of late. Finished converting my plowable garden ( done with about a 1954 Cub Cadet) into raised beds. I shoveled two loads of rock today between the beds and almost done. Sustainable, no carbon, and much easier going forward. Trying the French intensive-gardening route this year.

      Had an Ag Professor at my place looking at my grapes last week. Ugh. CA planted too many new vines three years ago, wine consumption just dropped for the first year in a while, so he said don’t expect to make any money. I’m small enough not to get hurt; we will make wine with grapes we don’t sell. That won’t hurt, either.

      As far as the markets, Jim, I hear no talk of hedging. I get the frackers going broke, but the commodities markets are functioning. Producers sell their product; they go SHORT. Everyone keeps saying the frackers and producers are going broke, but they hedge their product. I don’t need to look at the CBOT Commitment of Traders Report to know that the PRODUCERS are net short. That is what they do. Period. What are the carrying charges?

      CONTANGO? Backwardation? Look it up.

      A young, old trader that gave me a tour of the CBOT after they closed the observation room post 911 told me, “you buy stuff going up, and sell SHIT going down”. There are means to profit in a falling market.

      Sisyphus was condemned to push that rock up the hill every day. Just remember, he never gave up. Be careful out there

      Peace.

  52. KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 9:40 pm #

    “Custer WAS an asshole.”

    Maybe not particularly likeable as a person ?

    “His assholery has to do with how badly he hated Indians plus his reckless quest for glory leading him to lead a few hundred probably equally Indian hating soldiers to their death. ”

    His tactics at the Little Big Horn were textbook Indian – fighting cavalry tactics.

    plain and simple.

    Period .

    End of story.

    Cavalry was an offensive arm , but , an offensive arm with , best case scenario , one – third the firepower of infantry , and utterly negligible defensive capability.

    The upshot of that is typically one of two radically different outcomes ;

    — You never see a dead cavalryman.

    — or it’s a nasty – looking slaughter.

    As an offensive arm , Cavalry’s three primary tasks are ;

    reconnaissance / scouting ,

    pursuit of an ALREADY BROKEN enemy ,

    and , finally , hitting the enemy WHERE HE ISN’T,

    Frontal assaults against infantry determined and prepared to stand their ground and fight toe – to – toe ?

    The USUAL , TYPICAL outcome of that is that the cavalry column gets slaughtered.

    That only five companies of cavalry were lost in this case ?

    That’s practically a good outcome !

    The really notable thing about Custer’s Last Stand is it’s notoriety.

    That is somewhat inexplicable.

    There were many , many other cases , too numerous to list , where American or other European forces suffered much worse defeats , or outright slaughters , at the hands of American aborigines , but which have been near – completely forgotten.

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 9:57 pm #

      Custer was cocky, just like the rest of the Eastern USA that had just gotten over a civil war and considered the Native Americans easy pickings for the expansion westward. Not so much. Custer was a total shock to the country back East and brought the “Indian Wars” to the forefront. It eventually led to the defeat and confinement of the Native Americans.

      Remember one thing, if it was not America, the Indians would have been slaughtered, run over and forgotten about in history.

    • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

      For example, The entire US Army being nearly wiped out twice in the early 1790s, in western Ohio, by Chief Little Turtles confederation of midwest Indian Tribes. Also The battle of Iswandlama in 1879, where a column of 1200 British soldiers in South Africa was exterminated by Zulus. It happened other times too — Americans got roughed up in some battles in the Philippines c1900. But after western armies came up with the Maxim machine gun and the bolt action rifle, it didn’t happen anymore.

      Brh

    • EvelynV March 9, 2020 at 10:23 pm #

      Not really textbook. I have forgotten details but one arm of his force seeing what a shithole Custer had stepped into decided not to waste more men coming to his rescue and pulled back.

      Custer’s wife went rampaging about getting her husband’s story glorified in the newspapers at the time.

      • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

        Libby Custer lived into the 1930s, really spent her whole life advocating for her husbands reputation.

    • beantownbill. March 9, 2020 at 10:31 pm #

      Like the Charge of the Light Brigade.

      Custer was an asshole because he had a super-massive ego – he was a flaming narcissist.

      I visited Little Big Horn almost 50 years ago. It was very pretty with rolling hills.

  53. beantownbill. March 9, 2020 at 10:20 pm #

    I live near Boston, not in it. But, if the Coronavirus does play out like the gloomier people are afraid of, I’m probably dead meat because in 2 months I’ll hit the 3/4 century mark. I’m fatalistic about it, so I’m not going too crazy trying to avoid it, but I am doing a few things to protect myself.

    It’s obviously
    important to have my immune system in as good a shape as possible, so I eat well, with plenty of fruits and vegetables and high-quality protein, such as fish and eggs. I also take garlic supplements and eat a lot of garlic in my foods (e.g., I had delicious pesto tonight).

    The virus attacks the lungs. If you don’t have high lung capacity, when you get sick, the rest of your body can’t get enough oxygen to function properly, so your other organs start to fail. That’s why older, sedentary people die from the virus more than younger ones. I walk a few miles a day or go to the gym and work out, and I believe my lung capacity is good.

    I also do the other obvious, sensible things such as washing my hands frequently, avoiding large crowds, shopping late at night, etc. People don’t need anti-bacterial soap – regular soap is ok, and masks don’t really protect you, although I suppose they help a little.

    I’m in good shape for my age; I’m not running around in a panic like I see so many others do. The mortality rate of the virus for people age
    70-79 is currently 8%. That’s roughly 11 to 1 in my favor, and the majority of that 8% have pre-existing conditions (which luckily for me I don’t have) or are generally in bad physical condition. So I feel confident I can ride out the virus. But who knows? Que sera, sera.

    • BackRowHeckler March 9, 2020 at 10:51 pm #

      I think if you avoid public places with large crowds you’ll be ok Bill. That’s my plan, really my only plan.

      Brh

    • EvelynV March 9, 2020 at 11:22 pm #

      If you look into it you’ll find that advocates for intermittent fasting avow that among other positive benefits it strengthens the immune system.

      My physician neighbor asserts that there are masks that do protect the wearer. She uses them because of previous cancer treatment that pretty much wiped out her immune system.

    • akmofo March 10, 2020 at 12:13 am #

      Bill, get yourself to Florida any way you can, ASAP! You need to be sitting in hot sunny weather. Viruses don’t survive UV light. The Vit-D will also boost your immune system. And eat lots of oranges and berries.

      • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 7:51 am #

        Akmofo

        Bill just got back from Sanibel Island, Florida.

        That advice about the oranges is sound.

        At one time Israel had a pretty good orange crop, not sure if you still do. Southern California once had acres and acres of orange groves which have since disappeared.

        • akmofo March 10, 2020 at 8:56 am #

          The citrus groves are still there. Some now ended as ornaments in people’s back yard. I’ve asked John earlier if he knew what’s the most prized food of the TaNaKh, he didn’t know to answer. Well, it’s fruits. Grapes, tomatoes, dates, figs, pomegranates, bananas, cucumbers, peppers, eggplants, melons, pineapples, apples, citrus, berries, etc. Fruit trees are sacred trees. They are the nectar of life. As well as raw honey and olive oil. Hebrew Biblical wisdom that too many are ignorant of.

          • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 11:43 am #

            You are blessed with a good climate, and you have made the desert bloom.

            Godspeed to all of you.

            Brh

          • akmofo March 10, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

            Thanks, buddy. We had lots of help from you guys. Don’t think it’s not appreciated. We have long memory and we remember these things.

            God bless America, the land of the free home of the brave!

          • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 4:52 pm #

            Pre-Jewish Palestine was a food exporter. Arab farmers are very good too – and were even before modern methods.

          • akmofo March 11, 2020 at 12:02 am #

            No such thing as “Pre-Jewish Palestine”. During the British Palestine mandate all administrative and industrial institutions were Jewish. The Arabs arrived from Syria and Egypt as cheap labourers for Jewish businesses. Whatever was exported from British Palestine was exported by Jews and Jewish businesses. Even today, there’s not single item being exported abroad by the Jihadists occupying the Land of Israel.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 11, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

            Yes, much help from “us guys” and no gratitude whatsoever as per Sheldon Adelson being against the Wall but for Israel’s walls.

          • Tate March 12, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

            No such thing as “pre-Jewish Palestine.”

            Yeah, right, the land was empty of all inhabitants. And then the export fallacy. Good grief, you can’t measure the well-being of a place by how much it exports, not totally.

            Stack it up against the export of terrorism & turmoil to the entire world since then, for a really good comparison.

            Go ahead, hit me with your peculiar Vatican/CIA deflection fix. Do you suck your toes at night, mofo?

      • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        ” Viruses don’t survive UV light. The Vit-D will also boost your immune system. And eat lots of oranges and berries”

        Mofo,
        Thank God that the Middle East, China and the Middle East are always cloudy, damp, and foggy.

        • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

          Middle East, China and Italy…sorry.

          • akmofo March 10, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

            Them are large territories, Ely, with very varied climates:

            Iran is in the mountains, cold snowy and overcast.
            Lombardy is in northern Italy, cold snowy and overcast.
            Wuhan is in northern China, cold snowy and overcast.

            Israel is in center of the universe, hot and sunny and you should come and visit.

    • sophia March 10, 2020 at 8:16 pm #

      Cooking with garlic probably won’t help you.
      Here’s a recipe. Crush garlic (that promotes the development of the allicin), let it stand in water a while or overnight. Add some juice so you can stand it, drink.
      Don’t do on an empty stomach.

  54. KesaAnna March 9, 2020 at 11:11 pm #

    ” With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today ”

    Unfortunately for you , I have dug a ditch , but not with a thousand dollar backhoe , or an eight hundred dollar ditch witch , but with a shovel and a pick.

    I have mowed a lawn , but not with a two hundred dollar lawn mower , or a two thousand dollar riding lawn mower , but with a sling.

    As a 12 year old girl , I worked the largest paper route in Greensboro NC for near three years. And all I ever got for it was 30 dollars one Christmas. The rest went into the family pot , on the mere assumption of goodwill .

    You see , I have lived and experienced Communism directly .

    Did I mention I’m a petite female ?

    And all of this happened , not in the East Germany where I spent the first ten years of my life , no , all of this transpired in America ?

    I don’t think most of you people , Americans or Commonwealthers , would recognize hard work if it bit you on the ass.

    ” With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today ”

    While I was mowing the lawn with a sling , just about all of my neighbors were of the sort they could afford , and did have , riding lawn mowers.

    Did any one of them ever offer to do for me in 20 minutes with their riding lawn mower what would take me 6 hours ?

    No.

    You mean the fabulous world you built for you .

    ” Plus we ended the Vietnam War ”

    First , You are not American , nor do you even live here voluntarily , much less involuntarily.

    So in no way would “we ” include you.

    Unless maybe “we” would include , say , East Germans , Syrians , or Zambians ?

    And it sure as fuck does not.

    Secondly . how many years did you serve in prison on that account ?

    Or your grievous financial losses on account of that were what ?

    You wound up being labelled a subversive , and on account of that wound up in the trailer park subsisting on food stamps and hand – outs ?

    Because I know that is what happens in such cases.

    You wound up on a street corner , in a wheelchair , with a tin cup , begging alms , and that was your GI Bill , on account of that ?

    You see , in the old days , that was the GI BIll ;

    You got to sit on a street corner with your crutches , and your tin cup , dressed in your old regimental , and you got to brag ,

    ” I was with Harry ! At Agincourt ! ”

    You got shot , and penury was your reward ?

    If your answers to all of the above are , ” No ” ,

    then I’m quite confident that you didn’t do a god damned thing but serve yourself.

    EVERY genuine act of individual charity I ever saw ended in poverty for the actor , in ignominy for the actor , or in death for the actor , or in all three.

    ” (aka the War of American Aggression). ”

    Lol , you picked the one of only two American wars that MIGHT HAVE , or COULD HAVE been noble.

    South Vietnam was a country about the size of Maryland , but not one -tenth as affluent as Maryland ,

    and fighting a regime for which the Soviet Union was writing blank checks.

    You ( not that it included you , as noted above ) abandoned those people.

    Many American wars , most American wars , could be called wars of aggression .

    American support of South Vietnam , though , was basically charity.

    — except that you ( And I suppose that would include you Commonwealthers ) didn’t really give a fuck about those people.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 12:07 am #

      ” (aka the War of American Aggression).” Lol , you picked the one of only two American wars that MIGHT HAVE , or COULD HAVE been noble.

      Might I suggest you head to Ho Chi Minh City (the former Saigon), and head to the War Remnants Museum … might be enlightening.

      And when I saw “we” I mean “we”. A very large number of Australians (of which I was one) demonstrated vigorously against Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War – and it’s a small part of my activist pat that I’m actually a little bit proud of. So there.

      • KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 12:22 am #

        I don’t have to go to a museum.

        I have spoken to South Vietnamese refugees.

        They DID CARE about their country.

        They DID NOT want to be annexed by North Vietnam.

        You did abandon them.

        You didn’t give a fuck about them .

        so there.

        • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 1:09 am #

          I have spoken to South Vietnamese refugees. They DID CARE about their country. They DID NOT want to be annexed by North Vietnam. You did abandon them. You didn’t give a fuck about them .

          Well – a couple of points by way of explanation:

          1. The “South Vietnamese refugees” are a select group, and in general they were against the Viet Cong.

          2. Everyone pretty-much cares about their country – I don’t know why you exclaim this IN CAPS.

          3. Not sure it was an “annexation”, but see point (1).

          4. We did not abandon them – following (a) the withdrawal of Australian and US forces, and (b) the fall of Saigon, thousands upon thousands of South Vietnamese fled to Australia by boat and plane, and they were almost instantly welcomed as citizens.

          The best thing that happened to the Vietnamese people is that the war stopped.

        • EvelynV March 10, 2020 at 2:22 am #

          KesaAnnA

          You have your head up your ass.

          Gee, you talked to a couple refugees, that pretty much wins your case.

          Two or three people didn’t like something and that settles it for you.

          We should have killed another two million VN, dropped another hundred tons of Agent Trump on them and bled out another 56,000 American soldiers to try to keep them happy.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 12:47 am #

      >As a 12 year old girl , I worked the largest paper route in Greensboro NC for near three years. And all I ever got for it was 30 dollars one Christmas. The rest went into the family pot , on the mere assumption of goodwill. You see , I have lived and experienced Communism directly. Did I mention I’m a petite female ?

      And all of this happened , not in the East Germany where I spent the first ten years of my life , no , all of this transpired in America ?

      Okay you did it tough as a recent immigrant from Europe – I certainly admire what you did to get through, and perhaps prosper, but millions of others did it too – in the US, Canada, Australia, lots of places.

      My family was very working class as well – I was a golf caddy at 12, working four hours for a dollar – but I don’t wear it on my sleeve to make an argument.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:16 am #

      What would it meant to “really give a fuck about those people”? Isn’t really caring almost invariably an individual thing – between a giver and a receiver who know each other?

      There is much wisdom in Stalin’s, “One death is a tragedy but ten thousand is just a statistic”.

      Does anyone care about Americans? Maybe some Europeans in a general, altruistic way, the way that is mostly a White thing? As far as is possible to really give a fuck about a group, that is. I’m not forgetting my first point.

      • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 4:56 am #

        Does anyone care about Americans?

        There are still 200 million white Americans, and no, none cares about us. We should act accordingly. That’s what Trump is all about, who, incidentally, you have turned your back on.

        Brh

        • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

          I turned my back on him? He turned his back on us. I’ll post the Laura Ingham interview later. She says as much right to his face.

  55. WayfaringStranger March 9, 2020 at 11:38 pm #

    Well gardeners, after reading the many comments on this over at ZeroHedge I strongly suggest you invest in fences, good motion-sensitive security lighting systems, and serious fire power. Quite a few people seem to be waiting till the weeding and watering is done, and then they’ll move in and help themselves. So much for that new found sense of community.
    And switching gears a bit –
    Right now people are caught up in trying to process this, showing the same kind of semi-nervous, often off-topic chatter people fall into when life gets weird, you really wish it would be a bad dream you could wake up from, and you know in your heart it isn’t, and you won’t.
    But at some point….
    the big facts about this virus will become knowable, if they haven’t already, and I suspect they have.
    I mean the genetic facts. Like if this was definitively engineered or not. At some point people, survivors, will start seriously asking that question, and there will be people (not all of whom can be controlled) who are capable of answering it thru DNA analysis or whatever eggheads like that do.
    And if the verdict is that it was bioengineered, whether accidentally released or intentionally released, ALL of these deaths are murders. They are all acts of war. War against an entire planet or species maybe, but war none the less.
    The “older people” with “conditions” (people too easily written off if you ask me) were not going to die when they did, and being over 60 does not make you less valuable. Those deaths will have been just as untimely as any other person’s death if this was a bio-weapon. It wasn’t their time, they were pushed.
    Dying from your lungs filling with fluid, drowning by way of your own immune response is a painful way to go. Maximized suffering, evil if intended. Not to mention the hospitalizations which leave behind a ruinous medical bill for the family.
    As surely as pulling a trigger, sinking a knife, or defrauding a family of their lifetime earnings, this will have been mass murder and egregious theft. At some point people will wake up to that, and if fingers start being pointed, and the media (American or otherwise) ramps up – this will be war. A big one.
    (or maybe, just the flu)

    • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:55 pm #

      The human genetic adaptation that makes community immunity comes from one source-

      Survivors.

      • JohnAZ March 9, 2020 at 11:57 pm #

        We need to concentrate on learning how to kill these suckers- or they will eventually kill us.

      • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 12:18 am #

        The human genetic adaptation that makes community immunity comes from one source.

        That’s quite wrong – a very wide range of pathogens (a) are not lethal, and (b) impart immunity on those who catch it once. This is the excellent argument against the anti-vaxxer fruit-loops who are endangering everyone – especially kids under eight.

        Anti-vax is child abuse.

        • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 12:39 am #

          You are right about Vax. But community immunity is a society’s immunity response from exposure long term to certain”bugs”. It has nothing to do with vaccines. DNA modifications to create immunity.

          Examples: European and American. Smallpox. Decimated Native America because they did not have community immunity. Measles. Decimated the native Hawaiians when American missionaries arrived.

          • Majella March 10, 2020 at 4:23 am #

            I thought you knew MORE about this stuff, John…that post is so intellectually lazy (if not downright dishonest) —- and you know it.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 12:55 am #

      Well gardeners, after reading the many comments on this over at ZeroHedge I strongly suggest you invest in fences, good motion-sensitive security lighting systems, and serious fire power. Quite a few people seem to be waiting till the weeding and watering is done, and then they’ll move in and help themselves. So much for that new found sense of community.

      Yeah well – those people (and websites) who indulge in doomer porn, it seems to me, are wishing and willing for the apocalypse to happen. Especially if they feel prepped and invulnerable.

    • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

      “As surely as pulling a trigger, sinking a knife, or defrauding a family of their lifetime earnings, this will have been mass murder and egregious theft”

      Well, that didn’t take long.

  56. WayfaringStranger March 10, 2020 at 12:02 am #

    Shit! Two cases just announced in my general area now, one to the north (very small town), one south. NOT urban areas by any stretch. I really thought it would stay urban for weeks yet, coastal. But if it’s already in Osceola WI, it’s going to be everywhere and soon.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 12:21 am #

      You’re not that far from Minneapolis-St Paul, but still, if you have cases there, then everywhere could be rooned!

  57. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 12:17 am #

    ” Not really textbook. ”

    yes , textbook.

  58. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 12:30 am #

    ” Remember one thing, if it was not America …. ”

    I’m pretty sure Alexis De Tocqueville was correct ; there is / was NOTHING unusual or remarkable or particularly different about America except the fervor and sincerity of its Christianity.

    You might as well argue with that dead Frenchman.

    As I just said , I’m convinced he was absolutely correct about that.

    The only thing appealing or redeeming about you is your Christianity , or residual Christianity .

    In any other respect you are neither better , nor worse , but of indifferent concern , like unto pagans in Borneo.

  59. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 12:33 am #

    Read a report today that says the viruses greatest enemy is higher temperatures and higher humidity, it said that sneeze and cough droplets cannot carry as far with that combination.

    I would add that moister membranes in the respiratory passages allows adequate mucus to stave off invading “bugs”.

    Geez. Irony again. A real killer virus will hit us one winter and spring and we will be praying for global warming.

    Only slightly tongue in cheek.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 1:38 am #

      Read a report today that says the viruses greatest enemy is higher temperatures and higher humidity,

      It seems to be supported by the fact that the numbers in the Southern Hemisphere (and Africa) are much lower – we’re just coming out of summer, with flu season typically starting about May-June.

      • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

        “It seems to be supported by the fact that the numbers in the Southern Hemisphere (and Africa) are much lower – we’re just coming out of summer, with flu season typically starting about May-June.”

        Cargill,
        Well, those results may be a product of testing, or a lack of it.

        • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 5:45 pm #

          In the big flu a hundred years ago Eskimos were hit so hard that their was fear of their total extinction.

          • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 11:16 pm #

            “that their was fear ”

            Q,
            Too Shay.

          • Q. Shtik March 11, 2020 at 12:31 am #

            Too Shay. – ely

            ===========

            dammit! ya got me.

  60. toktomi March 10, 2020 at 12:35 am #

    Ahhhh, it’s like the good ol’ days of gloomin’ and doomin’ over at AlasBabylon, ROE, et al at Yahoo Groups – turn of millennium, peak oilers suggesting, speculating, arguing. and sharing stupid ideas for a shot at a plausible storyline for the world – the brilliant, the clueless, and all the rest of us trying to figure out what a dying global economy would soon show itself to look like and grasping at possible survival strategies.

    Here again two decades late, is another tiny batch of recognizers bantering survival among, in this case, the sea of the clueless lot yapping about social nonsense, all apparently because James just can’t resist picking that scab again, the wound being the source of the infection that will ultimately subdue the beast.

    So, Mr. Kunstler, are you finding all of the seemingly crazy and often contradictory occurrences around this wild CoV thing to be making perfect sense in a broader picture [doomer story, if you will]? It’s been a lonely vigil but still, there will be no coming in from the cold.

    I am expecting the next couple of weeks to be rather terrifying. I’m fearing that “they” will be pushing the limit on the amount of heat to apply to the frog[z]. But then I haven’t forecast but a single event in my entire life.

    ~toktomi~

    PS, JHK, I find your published point of view on TEOTWAWKI to be polyannaish and hardly the “cold shower” that some may have experienced. 🙂

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 12:43 am #

      What is the common denominator that has so many factors circling the drain at the same time? Overpopulation maybe? If so, maybe it is all in play to eliminate the problem. If so, it is Mother Nature or some group of humans trying to “fix” the problem?

      • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 1:13 am #

        I don’t know for sure – but there is no doubt that over-population is a biggie!

  61. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 12:47 am #

    ” I won’t touch that one – ”

    — Except that you proceed to do just that.

    ” but it sounds like you might think slavery had a positive side. ”

    It sounds like you have to think like an aristocrat , or fancy yourself as one , to think that slave or peasant is a dirty word.

    Certainly , it does seem to me that it would be an improvement to be called frankly a slave.

    That you , essentially , come into my house , which you do not care to live in , a fate you do not care to share , and presume to tell me then how I should live ,

    I don’t think , I KNOW , that is condescending , contemptuous , completely lacking in any respect.

    In comparison to that , calling me a peasant or a slave pales.

    • KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 12:51 am #

      you’re like Janos with his master race crap , only a hell of a lot less honest about it.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:22 am #

      Can you ever not get unpleasant? Does your every thought have to have a negative affect attached to it – a scream of rage or defiance?

      Only when you are talking about George the Second or things in the remote past. No wonder you that stuff so much.

  62. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 1:04 am #

    ” but I don’t wear it on my sleeve to make an argument. ”

    More like the problem is I refuse to allow you to elect yourself prosecutor.

    I refuse to allow you to elect me defendant.

    I refuse to adopt YOUR narrative.

    Get used to it. Or fuck off.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 1:15 am #

      It’s a fun forum – we’re having a long discussion because we don’t have real lives. I think you could calm down a bit and just enjoy it … why not?

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:23 am #

        Ah Carguile. You should have been born an English Lord of the 18th century.

        • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 1:45 am #

          I nearly was in the 17thC – of sorts – a direct ancestor was Sir Isaac Newton’s mom (Hannah Ayscough) – but the virginal genius didn’t have any offspring, so no other claim..

          But I like Earl Carguile … has a ring to it!

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:44 am #

        What can you do with these darkies, “lesser breeds without the Law”, eh?

        Tell them what Marx thought about Blacks, why don’t you?

        Are you and Lady Alba still planning on coming to my Estate for a few days? We’ll get in some shooting – ducks, rabbits, deer, roos, whatever you like.

  63. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 1:30 am #

    ” So that when Northern folk and others go happy-motoring on a road-trip, they can see what it was really like: that there were a whole bunch of Southerners who were willing to die in a ditch for a very ugly slave system. ”

    No uglier , I suspect , than your self – serving lieing narrative that the South Vietnamese didn’t really care anyway.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:53 am #

      Her teeth are very white in the dim light – and pointed!

  64. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 1:50 am #

    ” I think you could calm down a bit and just enjoy it … why not? ”

    hee hee hee ,

    rather like gun control advocates switching to playing all nicey – nicey and saying , ” Gee , why don’t you folks disarm ?! ”

    ( While the gun control advocates arm up to the teeth. )

    And , believe it or not , I really am snickering.

    Do you really think I believe you ?

    if so , that is rather comical.

  65. Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:52 am #

    East Asians produce strong, prosperous, centralized States with a Confucian Ethos, which means hierarchy of Age and a group culture. They will do this under either Capitalism or Communism, though Capitalism is at odds with it in a number of ways. Lots of “left over women” now in China. Westernized with careers, too good for most men or so they think. Not sure if that has hit Vietnam yet or not.

    We were fighting for an alien culture for god knows what real reason. Now they are “Communist” which now simply means guided Capitalism – and that’s Fascism. Freedom? What does that mean to an East Asian? The freedom to work very hard and smoke a lot? To gamble at least once a month? To eat lots of meat, boiling the animal before it dies because it make it taste better?

    They weren’t worth ONE White life. Just as Rasputin said the whole Balkans weren’t worth on Russian life.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 2:10 am #

      Lots of “left-over women” now in China. Westernized with careers, too good for most men or so they think.

      Interesting you say that – we have reasonably recently made friends with a youngish married couple who live in Shanghai. We had great fun with them, and they were really westernised in many way – right down to a take-the-piss sense of humour. Good fun.

      But there was not much doubt that the wife – attractive, smart, educated, career-oriented – was a few rungs up the ladder from hubby – and he was pretty cool himself. He must have just made the cut.

      • Tate March 10, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

        Lol, In what sense did you & the missus “[have] great fun” with the “youngish married couple”, Cargill?

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 2:15 am #

      They weren’t worth ONE White life. Just as Rasputin said the whole Balkans weren’t worth on Russian life.

      I probably come to this from a different perspective, but I am in violent agreement. There was nothing about the geopolitics of SE Asia generally (or Vietnam in particular) that required one kid to come home in a box to Podunk Indiana, or Kangaroo Flat, Australia.

      • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 2:31 am #

        Violent agreement? Are you shaking and spazzing? In what way do you find agreement with that statement? Being as you have made it perfectly clear that race means nothing to you, except that you like to mix it up as much as possible. So how can you agree at all with those two sentences? You mean you agree with isolationism irregardless of race or ethnicity.

    • Majella March 10, 2020 at 3:58 am #

      “ Lots of “left over women” now in China. ”

      Not the demographic reality…there’s millions of single child males, incels mostly, and the traditional feedstock for armed conflict. The sex ratio is skewed horribly. Once again, you are talking out of your arse.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21853400

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

        That’s true too: They love to abort their girls. Being so much fewer probably adds to the entitlement of the girls. They say they want to get married but they don’t – despite countless suitors. You explain it if you can.

        In any case, one set of facts doesn’t negate another. Reality is all embracing.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:07 pm #

          The sex ration is skewed horrible – in the women’s favor. How did you garble such a simple fact? You don’t work very well….

          Google “left over women”. It’s not a phrase I made up. There’s even a documentary or two about it.

  66. Cargill March 10, 2020 at 2:04 am #

    Collateral Damage – Case # 3454.

    The University of Tasmania (Australia) has cut its 2020 courses by 75% (!), and the Vice Chancellor has come out and said they had far too high a reliance on Chinese students (well doh!).

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 2:18 am #

      Another predatory institution we will have the privilege to say night night to due to the virus fallout. The root of all evil can only be cut off by the Son of Man though. Therefore Wall Street pulses with hopes for a rally because their unsanitary lover teased them with the promise of extra goodies. And I don’t mean test kits. And he didn’t even get tested though he touched thousands. I can’t even deal with that right now. I’ll attempt to process it tomorrow.

      • Majella March 10, 2020 at 3:51 am #

        U of Tasmania is a “Predatory Institution”?

        Please…don’t apply your American standards to the sane part of the planet. Sure, ‘education’ as an ‘export’ – the foreign money comes in, like tourism – is a natural consequence of demand. It’s too bad it’s being disrupted by a global health issue, but that doesn’t make the U of T “predatory”. FFS.

        • Majella March 10, 2020 at 3:52 am #

          ..and the rest of that diatribe? What are you actually trying to SAY?

  67. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 2:12 am #

    ” Can you ever not get unpleasant? ”

    Through – and – through projection I’m sure.

    The only things Not unpleasant about your ilk was the architecture you didn’t build , the costumes ( which you borrowed from the old regime ) the swastika armbands ( you borrowed the swastika too ) and the goose step. ( which you also borrowed. )

    it’s rather that I should be asking you ; can you ever not be unpleasant ?

    ” Does your every thought have to have a negative affect attached to it ? ”

    The key word there is , “AFFECT ” , as you well know.

    Because in every way except appearance it is rather the opposite.

    Your every thought is somehow directed to passing the negative buck to another.

    ” a scream of rage or defiance? ”

    If there is rage , it is yours .

    The police are yours , or you would have them be yours.

    And if your thirst for power and control is not motivated by something like rage ?

    Then so much the worse , that you can contemplate fucking people over with a smile.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 2:19 am #

      Hi Kesa

      I don’t want to be too critical – but all of that is pretty-much incomprehensible …. would you like to think a lot more about how your reader is going to try and understand what you write, before you hit the Submit button?

      We really can’t get inside your head and join up the dots … really we can’t.

      • Majella March 10, 2020 at 3:46 am #

        Cargill…Kesha Anne’s style is an acquired taste. Stick with it…key thing is to overcome your natural habit as seeing every space as a pause – they’re not. Just “stream of conscious” read it.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

      Yes, someone has to hold the leash of the Police. I’d rather that hand be my White one and not a Brown or a Black one, or that of a White Globalist. What is strange about that?

      I admit discrimination. People favor their own. Is the solution for Whites to join in the discrimination against themselves – and then pretend they’re not doing it? Or to admit it but then say that this will end it? Why? How? It will end the White Race – which is the Kalergi Plan that has been embraced by the Masters. Marxists, who supposedly hate them, serve them assiduously. See the posts of Carguile.

  68. EvelynV March 10, 2020 at 2:31 am #

    OMG – who’s going to help change his shitty diapers once fat bastard learns about this?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    • EvelynV March 10, 2020 at 2:36 am #

      Hmmm? I clicked on a news item that says two congressmen who met with Trump have put themselves into voluntary quarantine.

      I took it as averring that fat bastard may have been exposed to the virus thereby.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 10:19 am #

        You name calling is abhorrent as always, however,

        You are right about CPAC. One guy who was there tested positive. Here is a Petrie dish that can be used to see how contagious this stuff is. He shook hands with folks directly who are now in voluntary isolation. Trump shook hands with folks now in isolation but not the source.

        Now we wait.

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 2:53 am #

      I’m sure you would if the price was right. But really, I’m a nobody and I’ve been getting really good at social distancing. For some recent invites the excuse has been a lifesaver lol. You would think that the important people would be taking extreme caution since corona is so highly contagious.

      • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 3:03 am #

        You would think that the important people would be taking extreme caution since corona is so highly contagious.

        But the guys who run the the country club believe they are invulnerable – they wear white shoes and white belts FFS.

        • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 3:26 am #

          Well there is a time and place for white. You’ve just associated white with invulnerability by the way. Interesting that in that situation you see the potential for sullying as a negative thing. I agree. And what you’re intending to tell me is that the country club members are only human too. I agree with you there as well.

      • EvelynV March 10, 2020 at 3:29 am #

        If the price was right you are darn tooting I would. I’d dress up in scubba gear, use big hooks to peel his fecal ridden clothes off, After that I’d fire hose him down, then use lots of duct tape to fasten his brand spanking clean new depends. Part of the money I was paid I’d have a look a new automobile, the rest I don’t know – maybe a casket of gold coins.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

          Bullshit. You’d do it for free. Also bullshit – you’d pay to do it if it was within your means.

          • EvelynV March 11, 2020 at 1:40 am #

            Janos, why are you wasting time posting silly taunts.

            Why aren’t you doing your pedo thing over on the on the teeny websites?

  69. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 2:41 am #

    Like this whole virus business ;

    Even if it kills 500 million people —

    — it will do so .

    — And it will be the crisis of the week.

    Next years historical footnote.

    I’m not one of the regulars around here doing the fucking WEEKLY Chicken Little routine.

    My attitude is more like ; ” Shit happens ”

    or , ” Same shit. Different day. “

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 3:04 am #

      In other words it may as well be the flu. Except that it isn’t at all the flu. But at this point it might as well be because it appears that the general principle of this operation is that it is always the same shit, different day. Except of course when it isn’t. Too bad that the lines between the two states got pretty blurry before the difference was actually noticed. Life will go on though as it always does. But it dosn’t mean that world didn’t end, historical footnote or no.

      • KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 3:56 am #

        Like I have said before , what was so disillusioning about the transition from East Germany to the United States was not how different they were.

        But how there is scarce any difference except the cosmetic.

        Tell me you fear losing automobiles , and air conditioning , and cheeseburgers .

        And , believe it or not , I ‘ll have no trouble believing you.

        but ply me not with hog wash about liberty , or the milk of human kindness.

        Shortly after I came to America — this was in 6th grade — there was this kid in my school who they claimed was gay.

        Was he gay ? Who the hell knows ?

        Do you reckon a 12 year old would be an adequate , nuanced , fair and balanced judge of such a thing ? Hustler magazine not withstanding ?

        Anyway , they made that kids life an utter hell.

        The teachers knew it too , and looked the other way.

        Many of those who tortured that kid for fun then , today , 40 years later , are the same people bashing homophobes .

        And while I’m not a mind – reader , I actually doubt their feelings or cosmology has changed one iota in 40 years.

        Only the targets of predation have changed.

        People gloat , and not just in private either , but right there on prime time TV , about assaults , rapes , even murders in prison.

        Now what would you reasonably guess are the circumstances of that ?

        It’s the petty criminals assaulting , raping , and murdering the real scum ?

        Or the other way around ?

        So that people are gloating over some child support deadbeat becoming the next prey of some serial killer , via the facilitation of tax dollars ?

        Your declaration of Independence is no less the cruel mockery of everything it supposedly represents than is the Communist Manifesto.

        I would miss air conditioning and such.

        but your freedom was never anything but a lie.

        We were never equals , least of all in your eyes.

        And we were never friends.

        If you people lose the awesome powers that cheap petroleum gave you ,

        I would be lieing if I said I fear an end to that.

        And I’m not going to say I do.

        • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:04 am #

          Understood. But then what Master do you serve? I wouldn’t attempt to pretend that I won’t miss the modern world. Why wouldn’t I? Of course there is so much that is wrong with it. And yet, it allows today’s peasants to live like yesterday’s Kings and Queens. I mourn the end of Modernity. I don’t mourn the death of today’s Master though. But there is no guarantee that tomorrow’s Master will be any better. Instead there is much evidence that it will be much more cruel.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 1:18 pm #

          Yes Kesa, I call it the Law of the Preservation of Evil. Targets change is all.

          But as ever you ruin it with your screeching. Satan is Rex Mundi as Christ himself said. Christ’s Kingdom is not here, not of this ruined world. So what did you expect?

  70. KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 3:02 am #

    ” I don’t want to be too critical – but all of that is pretty-much incomprehensible …. would you like to think a lot more about how your reader is going to try and understand what you write, before you hit the Submit button? ”

    Nah , like Softstarlight , I think it would be fun instead to wonder why genuine liberalism is incoherent to you , while you have not a bit of trouble comprehending some National Socialism mixed in with some vague Hinduism.

    • KesaAnna March 10, 2020 at 3:10 am #

      Anyway —

      “…your reader … ”

      I would guess , would be Janos .

      That’s who I was quoting / addressing , after all .

      You can’t even get that elementary part right ?

      • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 4:45 am #

        Anyway — “…your reader … ” I would guess , would be Janos .
        That’s who I was quoting / addressing , after all . You can’t even get that elementary part right ?

        I think most of us would still find this irrational and incomprehensible. Would you like to revise and re-submit? There’s a good girl.

        • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 5:48 am #

          Have you ever read Celine, Cargill? You seem like a literate guy, Comrade. Start with ‘Journey to the End of the Night’, then move on to ‘Death on the Installment Plan’. I suspect Kesa Anna is aware of Celine and that’s who she is emulating. The styles are similar.

          Brh

          • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:24 am #

            I don’t really care whether she’s “emulating” Santa Claus, the Kamasutra, or even Celine Dion – it’s still effing gibberish! You do owe it to your potential readers to make some sense. Perhaps a troll indeed.

            Some bored college kid, sitting in their dorm room in Podunk Indiana.

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 3:20 am #

      Lol, he’s a Koala so he doesn’t code. I hook up electrodes to him while he enjoys his eucalyptus leaf snacks. We’re reprogramming him. It’s a long drawn out process but it’s happening.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 4:05 am #

      Nah , like Softstarlight , I think it would be fun instead to wonder why genuine liberalism is incoherent to you , while you have not a bit of trouble comprehending some National Socialism mixed in with some vague Hinduism.

      I rest my case Y’Honour – she’s still talking total gobbledygook! If you wish to have a decent discussion Kesa – please write in comprehensible English … it would be nice.

      But perhaps you’re just dreadful troll from Moscow – and I should ignore you altogether.

      • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:10 am #

        So that is what it all boils down to at the end of the day for you? If you can’t wrap your mind around it then it must be a nefarious Muscovite? I thought you were into diversity. So when diversity whacks you upside the noggin you want plain ole vanilla English. When are you going to get your story straight mate?

        • hmuller March 10, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

          The only thing worse than a nefarious Muscovite…. is a nefarious Muscovite bed wetter. LOL

  71. Majella March 10, 2020 at 3:41 am #

    I am really disgusted. I mean, Himself is a daily joke, but his blithering at his CDC visit was beyond the pale.

    What I want t know is how many f you Trump Cult Deadheads can, with a straight face, tell me that THAT display doesn’t give you any cause for concern?

    It’s got beyond “letting Trump be Trump”. It was the quintessential display of every public flaw he has. Put a freaking fork in him.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 3:56 am #

      Might as well relax Majella – the anti-Dem pro-Repubs on here will never ever discount their cult Dear Leader. Even if he’s gasping his last because he catches coronavirus.

      We might as well move on to other topics – how about Super Rugby?

      • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 5:13 am #

        I don’t know, its Biden and Sanders who are moving about in the sea of feverish infected masses, not the president.

    • Nightowl March 10, 2020 at 9:35 am #

      Countdown until Maj blames the Orange Man for spreading the Wuhan coronavirus.

      Place your bets!

      • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:11 am #

        You’re so racist! 🙂

        • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 11:24 am #

          Bottom line!

          To all the Trump haters.

          The Democratic Party is failing, again, to come up with a candidate that is more palatable than Trump. HRC is better than either of the two remaining old reprobates. The DNC controls everything on the Left, good candidates do not stand a chance against the Old Guard. Corruption of the Old Guard has been shown over and over again, like what they did to Bernie in 2016.

          As long as the Old Guard is in place, the Dems are suspect. If I was one of the progressives, I would try to destroy this group and create a new party.

          Hmmm, AOC and the squad, Bernie, Corey, Kamala, Julian, when are you going to overthrow these people.

      • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

        Countdown until Maj blames the Orange Man for spreading the Wuhan coronavirus. – Nightowl

        ============

        Actually it could happen. Trump’s been very blase about the C-Virus, shaking hands with hundreds while blowing off the Virus test and almost bragging about it.

        Imagine if he became infected!

      • Majella March 10, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

        No need to…

        “wpa_ccc
        March 10, 2020 at 4:55 pm #
        “The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus.” –John AZ

        That is not their mission. It is the mission of CDC and AID and NIH.

        Trump reduced funding for CDC and NIH (specifically the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases).

        Trump eliminated the USAID program known as PREDICT which was designed to improve the “detection and discovery of zoonotic viruses with pandemic potential.”

        Put the blame where it belongs. Trump has no vision and has not invested in protecting Americans from infectious diseases. Why should he? He thinks Covid-19 is a hoax, a Democratic attempt to get rid of him. It’s always all about him, yet he is always free of blame.

        Now GOP members are self-quarantining themselves because of the Covid-19 “hoax” … why doesn’t Trump just get rid of Gaetz, Cruz, Meadows, and all the others who are hurting Trump by perpetuating the virus myth. Even Tucker Carlson of Fox News believes the Covid-19 virus hoax. /sarcasm off”

  72. tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 4:41 am #

    Can you imagine this guy in charge right now?

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/02/biden-gaffe-machine-running-list-joe-bidens-best-slip-ups/

    He just might tell everybody to calm down and drink a couple of cold ones with some tacos.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 4:47 am #

      Do you really need to link lunar far-right and deep-state websites. Surely there is a peer review process we could go through?

    • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 5:08 am #

      See that brawl that broke out at the Biden rally last night? What a freakshow that thing was? I know, I know, the only people who brawl at political rallies are yahoos who support the Preident. Ignore all other brawls.

      Bernie bros are getting restive; they are sensing — rightly — the fix is in and they are most certainly gonna lose. Last night was just a warm up for the real violence to come. Ahahahahahah!

      Brh

      • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 5:18 am #

        …. the real violence in a bloody drug fueled showdown in Milwaukee, where the Dems will show their true authoritarian face. The rage of young delusional lefties will be epic.

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:41 am #

        Carville said that Clyburn’s endorsement of Biden “literally saved the Democratic Party.” Gory Booger boards the Biden express. Yes, Bernie’s bagel is toast.

        Missed the brawl. I’d like to see a really big one, at least dozens of people, maybe hundreds. I like the raw, the elemental.

        • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 6:02 am #

          I think you’ll see that at the Freak Show in Milwaukee, July, 2020., TS.

          Expect the Trannies Jim mentions in the above blog to play a central role at the Dem National Convention.

          Brh

        • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:14 am #

          I do like that Biden dared Trump to push ups or whatever. Now wouldn’t that be some real entertainment watching those two go at it as if it were Celebrity Deathmatch lol.

          • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 11:03 am #

            When someone has nothing constructive to say, they babble. That explains the entire Democratic debate process this year. Trump is going to have a field day.

            JHK, you like to criticize Trump’s delivery incoherence, you haven’t heard anything yet if Biden gets in there. What a show that will be.

      • Nightowl March 10, 2020 at 9:46 am #

        Linky?

        I can’t find anything, since everything interesting on YouTube and social media is now algorithmically hidden or grabbled.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 11:10 am #

        BRH

        Again, there is more political distance between Sanders and Biden than between Biden and Trump. Moderate Dems are acknowledging the fact that Bernie does not stand a chance against Trump, this country will never be socialist in nature. Trump salivates at the possibility of running against Bernie.

        Part of the Bernie crowd is violent so anything goes this year.

    • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 4:59 pm #

      Coronas, that is.

  73. tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:18 am #

    The capitalist dogs have made China our real pharmacy and made thug companies rich. Massive illness here when the supply lines shut down. The order to manufacture our medicines here should already have been given, ending the staggering sellout of our nation’s health to the ethnocentric Chinks, and others.

    Tell me coyote doesn’t wait. Went over to a place called Madera Canyon today, took a walk, got some air. Lo and behold, four Chinee tourists are walking towards me and their vehicle. Anti social distancing was immediately put into play.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:37 am #

      How pathetic that is. Are you a total one-off, or is all your family that way?

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:13 pm #

        I refuse to fustigate froghoppers.

    • ellipsis March 10, 2020 at 7:15 am #

      Unfortunately, relocating manufacturing isn’t nearly that easy, especially from the capitalist dogs’ point of view. It’s not the Chinese rank and file’s fault, though. They’re caught in the same vise that we are. Look to DC, NYC, London, and Tel Aviv to assess blame. That’s where it lies.

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

        Right, tough issues to solve considering the political and business interests. Will we ever get our hands on the handle of that vise? Even so, probably need a ‘cheater bar’.

      • malthuss March 12, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

        relocating manufacturing–trillions of dollars in costs to build.
        The factories will be robotic and jobs for humans wont be offered.

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:17 am #

      Chinks :-). I agree, I also find it completely unbelievable and quite frankly unforgivable that our leaders allowed such critical infrastructure to be shipped overseas. It really should be considered a scandal of the most insidious kind and there should be jail time for the perps. That is one thing the Chinks get right. They will jail and even execute business people who work against the Nation and the People. If only we had that sort of loyalty here.

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

        Exactly. The central issue with our rapacious capitalism is that we don’t have that nationalist core.

        • malthuss March 12, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

          USA did when it was 80-90% White, with most of the minority being Blacks who were well behaved.
          Back then, Jews were the most criminal element.
          When Jews got power in media, they blamed the mafia [talians]

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:19 am #

      Oh and by the way. I think you completely did the right thing by distancing yourself from the potential vectors. If I were there I would have also sprayed Lysol at them for a little extra touch of protection.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 10:59 am #

        Lysol, huh. If the strains get more virulent, Lysol could become weapons real fast.

    • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 3:48 pm #

      four Chinee tourists – tucson

      ==============

      A report from the C-Virus trenches:

      My son and his squeeze returned from Paris last night. It involved 3 airports: Paris, Toronto and Newark. Thom said everything appeared quite normal. The only occasional persons wearing masks were Asian (black hair and slanted eyes).

      The last leg (Toronto to Newark) was supposed to arrive at 6:05 PM. That flight was cancelled and the replacement flight arrived at 8:05. No reason was given by Air Canada for the flight cancellation. Hmm? Wonder why?

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 5:57 pm #

        If the same people were on the replacement flight, probably not virus related? Could be just a business decision, combining passengers and disregarding crowding? That wouldn’t surprise me.

        At times like these, it does make you wonder what the authorities are up to.

        Maybe the Asians were detained at Toronto?

  74. stelmosfire March 10, 2020 at 9:32 am #

    Ok, let’s lighten up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYIi4by8-y8

    Q as a female, 6:00, Benr at 02:59, Janos at 01:58, Me at 04:10, Cargills daughter at 05:04, Backrow at 07:10

  75. Nightowl March 10, 2020 at 10:19 am #

    Jimmy Dore segment: Biden has dementia.

    Much hilarity — in a sad way of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjRh9nNflTc

    As Jimmy notes, everyone knows Trump will eviscerate Biden in a debate, so what is the real plan?

    The smell of cabbage wafts through the room as cackling and a nagging dry cough are heard somewhere in the distance …

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

      Make him and all candidates take the test. This is getting ridiculous. We need healthy minds in the White House – or just admit they are simply figureheads.

  76. SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 10:34 am #

    China says its getting back to work now that Xi single handedly stopped the new cold virus. Funny though, because some reports that happened to somehow make it out of the mainland said that many people are still scared to go back to work and those that do always wear face masks and constantly have to sanitize themselves. So what’s up with that if true? Probably, the virus is still lurking and their numbers have always been a lie. Once they get going in a serious reboot I bet the infections explode again. It’s simply the nature of cold viruses. They never really go away. And I’m super sorry but the weather really doesn’t matter all that much.

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 10:56 am #

      SSL.

      Yeah, the weather seems to create the seasonality effect of all the viruses. The problem though is that we do not have a clue why.

      The message of “Contagion” is that we are powerless in front of a virus attack, our data base is almost non-existent and the only two things that prevents annihilation is seasonality or creation of a vaccine. One of the technical advisors for “Contagion” stated that the purpose for the movie’s release was a warning to world governments of what viruses are capable of. Then we hear from the virologist in Texas that a vaccine for SARS 1 was very close to completion and funding was cut off when the virus abated. It never ceases to amaze me, the stupidity of government and politics.

      Polio reached into the White House, chicken pox becomes shingles as it never goes away. We do not have a single weapon, like antibiotics that kills viruses. Society basically ignores chicken pox, or flu because we do not have a clue about killing the virus. Vaccines are the only deterrent and all they do is point our own immune system to do the killing.

      If it wasn’t for seasonality, the flu would be culling out big chunks of humanity every year. Vaccines help, as long as they get the right projected varieties. When they don’t, the mortality rate skyrockets. When the virus Is novel, anything goes, like now.

      • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

        Yes, you are right that many, most? viruses follow a seasonal pattern. If you look at the flu you will see that there is still flu in the summer but the frequency and scope does shrink back compared to fall, winter, and spring. There certainly could be a summer dip in the number of infections with this one. But the other thing with this one is it is brand new and no one on Earth has immunity so really the only place for it to go is up in terms of numbers unless a firebreak can be created. I should have said that I’m sorry but weather may only slow the spread of the virus.

      • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 5:11 pm #

        When the virus Is novel, anything goes – JohnAZ

        ==============

        Where does this term “novel” Corona Virus come from? What does it mean? Isn’t every new virus, by definition, “novel?”

  77. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 10:37 am #

    Have you seen Biden’s ideas for cabinet positions.

    Obama administration reborn. Kerry, Rice,Jamie Dimon, Warren, etc.

    I guess if you thought Obama’s crew was effective, you will love Biden.

    It does show, however, the lack of innovation and better ideas that characterizes the Democratic Party.

    The Deep State will deepen with old school folks if he wins. With Kerry, the globalists will rejoice.

    • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 11:36 am #

      Yes, and expect Maoist Van Jones to get a top cabinet post.

      Wife and sister in law just came back from grocery shopping, report no panic buying, in fact looked at me kinda funny for asking. Hand sanitizer and lysol virus wipes must have been well stocked because they brought home a good amount of it. Plenty of steaks, shrimp, cold cuts, beer and chops … essentials for surviving the apocalypse.

      Brh

      • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 12:30 pm #

        You must live in a really nice area. I see dilapidated old buildings with trees growing in and out of them, an occasional abandoned house, and lots of meth heads riding bikes when I have to go to the city to go shopping or to appointments or whatev. Stores here are limiting purchases on items. And yet my state is like a Saudi Arabia when it comes to oil production. I feel like something was taken from me. Not that you shouldn’t have your steaks and shrimp and cold cuts and beer and chops and all. It’s just weird how different places or so very different within the same country.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

        Maoist Van Jones

        Something that has puzzled me for a long time.

        All these revolutionaries, what motivates them? Why do the Bernie’s of the world do what they do and believe what they believe? History shows, over and over, that revolutions do not accomplish much, and that the revolutionaries are usually dealt with after the crisis has passed.

        Is this just Fourth Turning stuff? Are humans only happy when spreading discord? Would Bernie in the USSR been a Soviet revolutionary? Maybe some people need to sow discord just to be happy.

        If so, maybe they need to be locked up and the key thrown away.

        • malthuss March 10, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

          you know why he is ‘Van?’

          • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 4:50 pm #

            No, do tell. You know so many interesting stories and facts about people.

          • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 6:56 pm #

            And remember his famous words during the 2008 campaign:

            “….we have to drop the radical pose to achieve the radical ends.”

      • stelmosfire March 10, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

        Same here, BRH, Business as usual. Gasoline and no. 2 fuel oil are cheap. Yesterday was a no. 10 . I almost took out the scooter. Almost.

        • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

          Take a ride down this way some afternoon, RIP. 45 min., straight down US10. I don’t think this warm spell will last it’s still winter after all.

      • malthuss March 10, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

        Did Vans group start the 1994 Los Angeles riot?

        Panic buying for at least the last 10 days at Costco…’900 people waiting outside’ ‘700 an hour being checked out’.

        • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

          Panic buying for at least the last 10 days at Costco – malth

          ============

          My wife went to Costco today. It was pretty normal but STILL out of sanitizers and masks………….. but she WAS able to pick up for me a 48-pack of size 312 hearing aids for the amazingly low price of $8.29. A single 8-pack at Rite Aid would cost more than that.

          • San Jose March 10, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

            I went to Costco today because my husband wanted to make sure we had plenty of Starbucks French Roast K-Cups on hand. The store wasn’t particularly busy, but there was not a roll of toilet paper to be found. I didn’t need any, but was curious what strategies are needed to obtain TP. 1. Call at 9:00 am to see if any arrived at store. 2. If yes, be at store at 9:45 (they open at 10:00) to get toilet paper.

            Jen in Salt Lake

          • benr March 11, 2020 at 11:15 am #

            @jen

            We had to settle for a lesser brand 2 ply from smart and final who still had some tp on the shelves.

  78. volodya March 10, 2020 at 11:42 am #

    Cargill and others that might want to chime in and I don’t want to bore and belabor but what the hell. 

    So what are the common stresses that organisms face? Can these stresses affect germline DNA? Can environmental stresses affect the rate of mutation and types of mutation that occur? What are the molecular mechanisms involved? 

    Maybe have a gander at this. 

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3319127/ 

    It’s known that part and parcel of the human genome are various types of retroviral DNA. Over the long ages these managed to incorporate themselves via ancient infection into germline DNA and as such are passed from generation to generation. IOW retroviral DNA is part of our evolutionary inheritance. What part did this play in human development, and other species for that matter, over these millions of years? 

    One area of modern-day study is whether this retroviral DNA plays a role in normal life processes. Does it also play a role in disease? Some scientists say that there’s little evidence of a role in Human Endogenous Retroviruses (HERV) in disease. Other scientists say not so fast. What if HERV gene expression kills off people bearing certain genetic characteristics, or prevents their reproduction, then they may play a role in human evolution. This is one example of evolutionary science that isn’t so settled. 

    Here’s a starter on this topic 

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC138943/

    There’s another possible mechanism in evolution: hybridization.

    One question I saw raised was whether spiral inner-ear structure comes via spirochete DNA in germline DNA via hybridization. 

    Shutting down research for political reasons ie for fear of ceding ground never struck me as very smart, whether the perceived adversary was “creationist” or in the climate realm. The issue stops being knowledge ie what’s real and what isn’t and becomes an issue of power, who calls the shots.

    There’s a lot of stuff out there to read. You can go to mags like New Scientist, Science News, Scientific American, or you can look on-line. 

    You might to have a peak at material on epigenetics, a field that was new not so long ago. 

    I look online at realclearscience. Sometimes they have good articles.

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

      Viruses are vectors for genetic change. IOW, our ability to adapt may be tied to viral invasions.

      Some disease control is being done by introducing DNA changes into cells. How? Viral vectors.

      Ironic, viral killers may be partially responsible for human adaptability.

    • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 12:35 am #

      There is a body of fairly recent scientific research that suggests that – from the very beginning of multicellular life – viruses have played a critical role in evolution, through their impact on RNA/DNA – some of this remains controversial and far from settled, but it’s certainly part of the discussion.

      Even the evolution of placental mammals such as humans (initially from reptiles, but also via marsupials) has been connected to the role of viruses in the modification of genetic code.

      All of this is worth discussion – but don’t mix it up with Creationism, and some notion that evolution isn’t settled … it is and has been for a very long time … apart from inside the minds of the enfeebled.

  79. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

    According to Dr. Shira Doron, an infectious disease and epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, we are entering the second phase of the Coronavirus epidemic.

    The first stage is containment, where each person infected is traced back to all contacts and travels to try to limit the spread. According to the doctor, containment eventually fails as the disease spreads. This is evidenced when the number of community spread cases starts to increase, cases that have no epidemiological significance ie, no apparent source.

    At this point, the health services shift to Mitigation. This is defined as emphasizing proper social distancing. No meetings, little travel, avoid close quarters, encourage cocooning, no large gatherings, stay 3 feet apart, etc. Countries where the epidemic is large are already in mitigation. Sports, tourism, air travel are going to be clobbered by mitigation. The doctor said that Containment will probably be discontinued as the disease spreads and becomes less traceable.

    Basically a shift from individual control efforts to group behavior control efforts. It will have an enormous impact on the economy everywhere.

    I believe Trump has a group working hard to keep this in Containment mode to lessen the impact on the economy. This has probably been a futile effort. Emergencies and politics do not mix well. Wait until this gets into the homeless on the west coast and can no longer be suppressed by the media. Newsome is toast. Trump may be toast. Heck, the Deep State May be toast as people find out how worthless they are.

    This has happened before.

    Italy has now locked down the entire country and suspended mortgage payments. Mitigation to the max.

  80. edpell March 10, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

    I am missing something. Where are the dead bodies? 3000 world wide and holding. Three days worth of auto death on a global biases. Who cares?

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 1:28 pm #

      Yeah, what has everyone got the hereby jeebies over this strain? Are we not being told something?

      • Patriot March 10, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

        Did you know that in the flu seasons 2017-2018 and 2018-2019,. 161,000 Americans died from the flu. This is according to CDC figures. Now, who gave a shit about that?

        • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

          Now, who gave a shit about that? – Patriot

          ==============

          The families and friends of the dead………. the rest of us, not so much.

    • Patriot March 10, 2020 at 1:41 pm #

      Most vulnerable are the elderly, as well as people with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer, according to an article in The Scientist, a magazine for people in the life sciences field. As Lisa Gralinski, a virologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in the article: “If you’re over 50 or 60 and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.”

      According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying. Of course the same percentage probably occurs with any of those folks who get “conventional flu”

      Check this AARP article out:https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html
      During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States8. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza9,10. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019.

      Our estimates of hospitalizations and mortality associated with the 2018–2019 influenza season continue to demonstrate how serious influenza virus infection can be. We estimate, overall, there were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season. More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ?65 years. Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection. An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake11.

    • Patriot March 10, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

      25 deaths since the count started late in January. How many Americans have died from conventional flu since January 21st, 2020? How many Americans have been hit crossing the street since that date?

      • roccofire March 11, 2020 at 6:45 am #

        Good point, fear of unknown is also good press ratings, but one of the senior doctors I worked with stated the flu is rough this year and we are in the second wave, but also in my former industrial city in western new York, a couple weekends ago, we had 15 drug overdoses needing ICU care, and 6 died.

    • BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

      Thing is Patriot, if you get sick, how do you know if you got the flu, or corona virus? Symptons must be the same.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

        The only difference I have heard is that 19 attacks the lower lungs much quicker. I would expect a very deep initial cough.

  81. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 3:43 pm #

    Patriot

    The fear is being induced by what I call the Jaws effect.

    Da da, da da, da da!

    The fear of attack from the unknown, from unseen forces.

  82. Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 3:56 pm #

    Has anyone but me noticed that Trump pronounces the word “industry” as ‘inDUStry’? I say ‘INdustry’. How do you (fellow commenters) pronounce it? And don’t say “Who gives a shit?” How about you Brits, Green Alba?

  83. Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

    The DOW is on pace to close with a gain of 1100 + pts. Maybe I’ll recover half the small fortune I lost yesterday.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 5:03 pm #

      If you had given it to me, I would have cashed out, buried it and it would still be here.

  84. Majella March 10, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

    What’s his problem?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdSQx77PDhA

  85. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

    The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus. The Deep State in the US is so busy snipping at each other, that they do not provide any leadership at all.

    We are in a new world, where governments are turning worthless.

    What to do?

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

      We are in a new world, where governments are turning worthless.

      Seems to me we are rather in a world where a significant number of people (probably just the noisy minority that post on forums) have lost all faith, trust, and their moral compass.

      I don’t think government is worthless, and nor is it useful to accuse all government agencies of being the “Deep State” – it deprives the term of any meaning at all.

      Personally I think the real deep-state manipulators are powerful people like the Koch Brothers, conservative movements like ALEC, Republican states that suppress minority voters, and of course the Illuminati.

      And if government is so “worthless” why do conservatives devote billions of dollars to maintaining power in government? They must think it’s worth it. Personally I don’t think there is a huge difference between the two major parties, but it’s entertaining to watch the food fight.

  86. wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

    Worldwide, there were 116,119 COVID-19 cases and 4,087 deaths as of Tuesday morning, according to data published by the Johns Hopkins.

    4,087 divided by 116,119 equals a mortality rate of 3.5%

    Doesn’t seem to matter how high the number of infections and how many deaths result from infection, the Coronavirus is consistently 35 times as deadly as the flu virus, which has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 4:48 pm #

      I’m just amazed at how callous some are to act as if this BRAND NEW virus that IS JUST BEGINNING to spread around the world is no big deal because like only several thousands have died and there are all of these deaths that happen because of flu so these deaths over here are no big deal now. In fact some say, who cares? It’s just so cold and heartless it actually hurts to read it all and it is everywhere online. I mean those just several thousand people were also parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, friends. God forbid the stock market fall because of the virus. I wish I could throw the stock market over the cliff so ya’ll could never find it again. You know I can just barely take it anymore with minimizing it all. Please let me know why Gov. Cuomo called in the National Guard to NY? I guess he is just doing that to get attention or something. And really we’re supposed to trust the data from China? I mean I feel like it really is the Twilight Zone.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

        The Economy always has to be growing or it will just collapse. What a stupid way to run an economy or to live. As if the Planet is infinite or as if sometimes (like now), we have to sit still and chill.

        • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

          The Economy always has to be growing or it will just collapse. What a stupid way to run an economy or to live. As if the Planet is infinite or as if sometimes (like now), we have to sit still and chill. – Janos

          ============

          You have raised a point that has bothered me for the past 50 years. It is not necessarily that the Economy always has to be growing or it will collapse but rather the economy must always be growing or the Stock Market will collapse.

          It seems obvious that a planet with 7.5 billion people would eventually run out of the resources necessary to maintain life as we currently know it. We need a vastly reduced total population and then a rest of the earth and its soil for a few thousand years to hopefully restore itself. That’s why I secretly have been rooting for a die off of 14 of every 15 people currently alive, leaving just .5 billion (i.e. 500,000,000). What better time than this C-Virus? And somehow those lucky 500 million must live in a steady state of near zero economic growth (sit still and chill, as you put it).

          Among the surviving 500 million, of course, would be my kids and grand kids. 😉

          • elysianfield March 10, 2020 at 8:03 pm #

            “You have raised a point that has bothered me for the past 50 years. It is not necessarily that the Economy always has to be growing …”

            Q,
            Permit me. It is important for the economy to be growing. A growing economy connotes an inflation of the money supply. The inflation of the money supply allows the (mandated/hoped for) 2% inflation to be found insensible…not considered onerous. The 2% rate of inflation, chews up the national debt and allows the government to pay it off with cheaper money…Over 20 or 30 years, the inflation will halve the debt, considering continual growth (think the magic of compound interest)…and this without paying a penny towards the principal.

            Consider what happened between 1946 and 1970. The National debt in ’46 was over 110% GDP (as I recall), by 1970, it was in the low 30’s.

            Hence the 2% inflation target.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 11, 2020 at 2:14 am #

            I surprised and gratified. I thought you were so close to the whole thing that you couldn’t see the wood because of the trees as the saying goes. Glad you can see over your own fence. Within the stasis, there could still be new projects, products, and fortunes to be made, but always in accordance with the Reality of the Situation. Thus it more important than ever that people feel secure and don’t have to unduly strive just for mere survival. Let them strive and be extraordinary in other ways….

      • tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

        The Twilight Zone:

        “It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge.”

        How appropriate.

        • SoftStarLight March 11, 2020 at 3:43 am #

          I love the Twilight Zone. I figured one day life may feel like an episode. You just never know which one it will be. What if the virus made us turn into the pig face people?!

          • Majella March 11, 2020 at 5:12 am #

            Too late for some…

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

      World-wide averages don’t mean much – since countries vary wildly, and there is the reliability factor too.

      Death rates in Italy stay around 6%, while other parts of Western Europe are much lower (1%) – they don’t know if Italy’s figures are not as accurate, or the more scary scenario, they are most accurate.

      One theory is that Italy was hit hard first, an since then other countries have watched, and implement containment regimes that didn’t ever happen in Italy at the start (which isn’t Italy’s “fault” – they just didn’t know what they were dealing with).

      • GreenAlba March 10, 2020 at 9:49 pm #

        Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan. So the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases will be higher. Also a very family-oriented society, so a high rate of inter-generational infection.

        People here are worrying who have their grandparents looking after their kids while they work. Nobody wants to think they’ve killed Grandma, especially if they stand to inherit Grandma’s house, perhaps. 🙂

        It was mentioned tonight how unbelievably low the testing rate is in the US compared to other comparable countries – which means the number of infected people is probably way higher than they think.

        • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 12:47 am #

          The Italian government announced more than 10,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 and 631 deaths as of Tuesday evening. There were fewer new cases reported than in previous days, but the new figures show the largest single daily jump in deaths.

        • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 12:48 am #

          Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan

          Stickler for detains that you are, you mean as a percent of total population.

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 6:21 am #

            malthuss

            I am not a stickler for insulting the readership by thinking that any rational, literate and numerate member of it would need to be told.

            If you’re talking about death rates in different countries what possible sense would it make to cite total deaths?

            Unless you think a hypothetical country of a 100 million souls losing 1,999,900 of them is somehow the same as an equally hypothetical country of 2 million souls losing the same.

            I know you like to attack my posts for the sake of it, malthuss, but get a grip, maybe.

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 6:21 am #

            Only ‘rates’ was meant to be in italics there.

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 6:22 am #

            The word ‘ratio’ is a bit of a giveaway too.

        • SoftStarLight March 11, 2020 at 3:29 am #

          I believe there are probably like 35,000 cases in the US right now truthfully. Some epidemiologist believe Iran has like two million cases!

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 6:57 am #

            It’s impossible to put a figure on it if you’re not testing. The UK has managed the containment phase better, as it’s done much more testing, which makes it possible to trace people’s contacts. It therefore knows what the pattern of infection is (small numbers in various areas, unlike the Italian situation).

            But we’ll soon be out of the containment phase (although containment will still carry on) and into the delay phase, which, in the case of the UK, is an attempt to push back the peak into the summer months when the NHS isn’t already struggling with the burden of normal winter illnesses.

            Other healthcare systems have a lower bed occupancy rate because hospitals are basically competing with one another. The NHS runs a tighter ship, which is a problem in a situation like this. Even in Italy Lombardy has run out of beds. They’ve got people in corridors attached to respirators. At least they’ve got the spare respirators, for now, but they’re already moving patients out of the region for treatment.

            In the US there will be more beds and respirators, but more people will be financially ruined and some may wish they’d just died… Swings and roundabouts.

          • Patriot March 12, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

            That’s a irresponsible, fear based statement about the US case amount,. Based on NOTHING except what, your “female” intuition?

          • GreenAlba March 12, 2020 at 9:26 pm #

            “That’s a irresponsible, fear based statement”

            And that’s an irrational, personal-grudge-based statement.

            I have sympathy regarding your predicament, but no fear. I don’t live there. 🙂

            Nothing to do with intuition and everything to do with logic. Try some – it costs nothing but the metabolism of a little glucose for the brain.

        • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 11:55 am #

          https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/17/national/number-women-japan-aged-least-65-years-old-tops-20-million-first-time/

          Japan has 25 million people past 70 years of age.

          China? 100 million?
          India, same?

          Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan.??

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

            “Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan.??”

            YES.

  87. JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

    A good question?

    What would happen if someone in ultimate authority stood up today and said-

    It is only the flu, resume your normal routines and we will just go on with business.

    Would anything change? Would there be any difference from last year?

    Next question then is-

    Who blew the alarm on this to blow it out of proportion and why?

    • SoftStarLight March 10, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

      Look at Italy’s death rate and serious critical rate. Also note that of the world’s closed or resolved cases, the death rate is actually 6%.

      • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 5:38 pm #

        China’s resolved cases now outnumber new cases.

        Look for a graph showing death rate vs. age group. The rate is .02% up to age 40, .04% to fifty, then increasing to 8% over 70 and 13% over 80.

        Any one over 60 is advised to stay home as much as possible until the community spread abates.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 10, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

        https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/08/oh-sht-26-million-already-infected-14000-already-dead/

        Here’s the opposite pov, friend. Go to barnhard.biz for the link she mentions. Tell us what you think. I frankly don’t know on this one.

        • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

          From the About Page in that website Janos:

          On April 3, ARSH 2011, after seeing Sen. Lindsey Graham advocate for Sharia Law and the punishing of American citizens who “disrespected” the islamic political system and its manifesto, the koran, I rebutted Graham’s remarks and then burned a koran – bookmarked with raw bacon – and concluded by announcing my address and inviting all musloid and/or FEDGOV comers to come and get a piece of me.

          Yep – definitely someone whose POV on everything is something I would always trust for ever and ever. Amen.

        • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 8:06 pm #

          I was particularly taken by the raw-bacon bookmarks. Class.

          • SoftStarLight March 11, 2020 at 3:20 am #

            But you are so down to Earth surely you get the bacon bookmarks? You better not start chewing on em. Their bookmarks after all so they are real classy, if not a bit greasy. How better to season that boring book you are reading lol?

          • Janos Skorenzy March 11, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

            Yes, we will use trained European Boars in full armor against them when the Time comes; when the Stars are Right….

        • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 12:53 am #

          She may be right but its Chris Martenson who has a background in immunology or something like that.

          off topic..today I learned Chris Wallace is son of ‘Im not White’ Mike Wallace. [see his interview with Morgan Freeman for that .

        • SoftStarLight March 11, 2020 at 3:15 am #

          The flu is definitely a problem and I don’t want to minimize it. Flu has been something we have been exposed to for a long time. The reason I personally am so worked up about this new virus is because we are all susceptible to it and no one has any immunity. That is very much not the same with influenza. So to me this new virus represents a big unknown. There is so much doctors still don’t know, but we do know its very contagious. I listen to Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity as well and his knowledge and insight into this is amazing as he has been following the entire pandemic. He is very calm and into planning and preparing but he thinks we are in trouble with this one. The death rate is much much higher than flu. But it will take time before we see millions of cases. It’s only been in the human world (that we know of) for three months are so. So either way this will definitely be a big story in history.

      • GreenAlba March 10, 2020 at 9:52 pm #

        “Look at Italy’s death rate and serious critical rate. ”

        As I said above, they have a much higher elderly population than anywhere else except Japan. So a higher death rate is to be expected.

        • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 12:49 am #

          No they dont.
          China
          India
          USA

        • SoftStarLight March 11, 2020 at 3:26 am #

          Well we are supposed to take care of our elders so I’m glad that children appear to be mostly spared so far but I’m not ready to throw grandma off the train either. I feel like I’m always hearing that its mainly just the elderly and those with existing conditions that get most ill. As if that is ok. And also, that’s what the data says now but trends can change as the virus mutates.

        • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 5:52 am #

          malthuss

          https://www.prb.org/which-country-has-the-oldest-population/

          “Japan, Italy, and Germany top the list of the world’s oldest countries—if the data are based on the share of the population ages 65 and older.”

          I generally check things if I’m about to contradict someone – clearly not a habit of yours.

          • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 11:42 am #

            Japan has 126 million people and has more old people than India and China?
            If so, color me surprised.

          • malthuss March 11, 2020 at 11:44 am #

            I meant how many old in Japan and China?

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 11:47 am #

            malthuss, I don’t know why you’re continuing to be dim about this, but it’s not my job to sort out your problem. I responded to you at reasonable length at 6.21 your time and consider my obligations fulfilled on the matter.

            I’m colouring you something else, for the moment.

          • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 11:50 am #

            Maybe it’s time for a trip to Costco to refresh your mind. 🙂

          • Janos Skorenzy March 11, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

            Sounds like the difference between percentage and absolute numbers. On this one, the absolute number is the more pertinent number. Sounds like Italians really bought into careerism and feminism and are a dying society.

            As larger nations, China, Japan, and India have or will have more cases. But they also may have the resources to deal with them that Italy may not have unless they have specifically prepared for such an eventuality.

            The East Asian capacity for centralization will stand them in good stead now. Are they more susceptible because of their race? That has dropped out completely. But it is clear now that people of other races do get it in any case.

          • GreenAlba March 12, 2020 at 7:26 am #

            “Sounds like the difference between percentage and absolute numbers.”

            Goodness. Sometimes your brain power just leaves me in awe.

            In awe, I tell you…

    • GreenAlba March 11, 2020 at 7:46 am #

      “It is only the flu”

      It is maybe just like the flu for most people who get it, but what freaks people out, generally, is (a) lack of control and (b) ‘unknown unknowns’. You have a measure of control over whether or not you get flu, because a vaccination exists. Even if you get flu while vaccinated, it’s likely to be less virulent.

      And anecdotally flu seems a lot harder to get – or come across – otherwise I’d presumably have had it more than once in an entire lifetime (while only ever having had three flu vaccinations in that entire lifetime), while most people I know have never even experienced it, which is presumably why they talk about having ‘flu’ when they’ve just got a bad cold.

      • malthuss March 12, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

        Sometimes your brain power just leaves me in awe..you are the one who made the incorrectly worded statement.

        cheers

        • GreenAlba March 12, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

          I made a statement to a readership that, with one exception, had no need to have its intelligence insulted.

          Cheers.

  88. wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

    “The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus.” –John AZ

    That is not their mission. It is the mission of CDC and AID and NIH.

    Trump reduced funding for CDC and NIH (specifically the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases).

    Trump eliminated the USAID program known as PREDICT which was designed to improve the “detection and discovery of zoonotic viruses with pandemic potential.”

    Put the blame where it belongs. Trump has no vision and has not invested in protecting Americans from infectious diseases. Why should he? He thinks Covid-19 is a hoax, a Democratic attempt to get rid of him. It’s always all about him, yet he is always free of blame.

    Now GOP members are self-quarantining themselves because of the Covid-19 “hoax” … why doesn’t Trump just get rid of Gaetz, Cruz, Meadows, and all the others who are hurting Trump by perpetuating the virus myth. Even Tucker Carlson of Fox News believes the Covid-19 virus hoax. /sarcasm off

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

      The Deep State includes all your agencies. I am so glad you are able to have predicted the virus last year when budgets were cut. You would have criticized Trump for the debt if he hadn’t cut the budgets. Your hindsight is 20/20 like everyone else.

      It is so easy to predict what you are going to say, just look at what Trump is saying or doing and you will be complaining and taking the opposite point of view.

      A real Trump hater!

      • HapMan March 11, 2020 at 9:04 am #

        JohnAZ: The “Deep State” is a paranoid conspiracy theory. It is to 2020 what “black helicopters” was to 1995.

        Trump in fact did make the foolish and shortsighted decisions that wpa cites. The “hindsight is 20/20” excuse, when applied to fundamental public health-related budget decisions of POTUS, is fairly pathetic.

        • JohnAZ March 11, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

          We will agree to disagree on this.

          • HapMan March 12, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

            I suppose so.
            The problem is that as you and your fellow redhats follow him over the cliff, you’re dragging the rest of us with you.

  89. wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

    Media tells me “stocks are up” today. If you lose 2,000 Monday and gain 1,000 Tuesday, in what world are “stocks up”? Seems like we are still down 1,000.

    • JohnAZ March 10, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

      25000 today down from peak of 29600, but still up from 20660 in Jan 2017. When and if Corona subsides, it will pop back up. You haven’t a leg to stand on.

      • wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 9:25 pm #

        When and if Corona subsides, it will pop back up. –JohnAZ

        The market may pop back up after Biden is elected, but for sure Trump is toast. Almost exactly two years ago on February 27, 2018, the Dow 30 Industrials closed at 25,410, which means Trump is toast. Let me explain:

        All the Dow gains of the past two Trump years have been wiped out in just over two weeks as Trump’s incompetence is exposed by the crisis he has failed to manage.

        The Trump-adopted criteria, the DJIA, has, under Trump, seen the market decline, the fastest 10% plus decrease in history.

        Trump’s S&P 500 market gains are also worse than Obama’s. By the end of October 2011 (three years into the Obama administration), the S&P 500 hit 156% of the value it had on Obama’s first day, which means the index increased by 56% in Obama’s first three years.

        In Trump’s first three years, the increase was 34%, or 22 percentage points lower than the gain under Obama. And it has only gotten worse in the last few weeks of Trump’s fourth year with the largest one-day loss in history that was only stopped because of intervention in the market, something that free-market Republicans can be thankful for.

        • ellipsis March 11, 2020 at 9:40 am #

          Not sure you can attribute market gains or losses to anyone in particular. More like animal spirits. But it is true that Trump tried to claim ownership, like all pols do. Unclear whether anyone else actually believed any of that.

    • Q. Shtik March 10, 2020 at 6:52 pm #

      Media tells me “stocks are up” today. – wpa

      ==============

      You need to move the closing quote marks:

      Media tells me “stocks are up today.”

      Better yet, use italics and bolding:

      Media tells me “stocks are up today.”

  90. tucsonspur March 10, 2020 at 6:44 pm #

    Does this make any sense?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUqYuRB6mc

  91. wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 8:04 pm #

    ” just look at what Trump is saying or doing and you will be complaining and taking the opposite point of view.” –JohnAZ

    I agree with a lot of what Trump says. The problem is he does not do as he says.

    Trump said he would withdraw all the troops. He did not do that.

    Trump said he would abolish Obamacare and replace it with something better. He did not do that.

    Trump said he would stop Little Kim from developing nuclear weapons that can reach the USA. He did not do that.

    Trump said he would release his tax returns. He did not do that.

    Etc. etc. … he has said thousands of things he never does.

    I support Trump in much of what he says. I don’t just take the opposite position and complain, much less hate.

    I like Trump as a person and would happily sit down and have a glass of water or lemonade with him and shoot the breeze. He is entertaining, funny, charming but he is not presidential material.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

      I like Trump as a person and would happily sit down and have a glass of water or lemonade with him and shoot the breeze. He is entertaining, funny, charming but he is not presidential material.

      I can think of few other people I would less like to have a sit-down with … you wouldn’t shoot the breeze – you would listen while he talked and talked – about how great he is, the money he’s made, the women he’s had … on and on.

      He’s like the worst white-shoe blowhard down at the country club – you do anything not to sit at his table, much less play a round of golf with him. But I certainly agree with your last statement.

      I don’t “hate” him either – I don’t know him. But I’ve spent a lot of my life avoid his type – they are bores and unpleasant.

      • wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

        I like him and would be happy to listen to him. I would even go so far as order him a Big Mac or KFC chicken and, if offered, break bread with him. He is a fascinating fellow. But chances are slim of a meeting because as Citizen Trump he will be very very busy trying to stay out of jail.

        • JohnAZ March 11, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

          For what? He has not been convicted of anything. When he goes, the opposition will just shift onto the next guy or gal. With no money to be made, the lawyers will lose interest.

    • JohnAZ March 11, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

      Well, my problem is that the opposition is too socialistic in its views and cannot come up with a candidate that is even close to Trump right now.

      Most of the stuff we hear about Trump are out and out falsehoods invented by the media. The American public is a product of the media. If someone had told me in 1980 that an avowed socialist could get even this close to the WH, I would have thought they were nuts. And yes, Bernie’s “innocent” free for everyone ploys are just attempt to allow government control and ownership of big parts of our economy. The whole concept of the GND is aimed at that end. Ownership = Communism.

      I am not sure anyone can handle the issues facing this government right now. The virus is “no win” although Trump’s attempts to downplay the epidemic is a Yuge mistake. He looks like an idiot countering his own medical group. He might be trying to stop emotional reactions, fear, but ignoring the problem is dumb.

      He has staked his presidency on the goodness of the economy. Surprise! Amazing a business person would do that. The primary indicator, the Stock Market. I remember JHK talking about whoever holds the reins when the economy finally takes its dive was going to pay for it unwittingly. Trump did nothing to deserve the blame for the virus, but he is going to pay for it this fall. Unless it subsides and everything pops back. The buck does stop in the Oval Office.

  92. wwg1wga March 10, 2020 at 8:04 pm #

    Daddy tried.

    http://www.got-truth.com/docs/Daddy%20tried.pdf

    • wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 8:12 pm #

      Daddy failed. Daddy is a loser.

      • wwg1wga March 10, 2020 at 9:11 pm #

        I’m sorry.
        That explains your perpetual loop of poverty and self-loathing.

  93. BackRowHeckler March 10, 2020 at 8:17 pm #

    In Detroit, Joe Biden to auto worker who asks him about his promise to put Beto ORourke in charge of gun control efforts should be elected:

    ‘You’re full of Sh#t!. Don’t be a horses ass, man.”

    ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Well, returns are coming in and it looks like its curtains for Breadline Bernie. Hey, the Revolution was fun while it lasted, but now its over.

    brh

    • wpa_ccc March 10, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

      If you want Trump re-elected, you should support Bernie. If Biden wins, it is curtains for the Orange Man. That is not my opinion. That is science based on 2018 results (see Negative Partisanship Model).

      Of course, in 2018 Trump had not been impeached (soon we will see the unredacted documents), the stock market was not crashing up and down, Little Kim did not have ICBM nukes, the Kurds were still fighting ISIS as our allies and we had their back, and the independents and libs were not nearing as determined to take both the Senate and the House as well as the Presidency. Back in 2018 the country was not being threatened by a pandemic that Trump is helping spread by his own sneezes, coughs, and lies; by his muzzling of the CDC scientists, and by his incompetence in getting reliable diagnostic kits distributed.

    • Cargill March 10, 2020 at 8:58 pm #

      Okay psephologists – wouldn’t the Electoral College be much more democratic / fairer if delegates were awarded on a proportional basis? They do it in the primaries – if you win 52% of a state it isn’t winner-take-all – you get roughly half the delegates on offer (depending on how many candidates reach the magical 15% threshold).

      If every state in the general election were proportional, then the presidential candidates would have to campaign in all states, in order to win a decent slice of the vote everywhere – rather than having an intense campaign in only about 10-15 states.

      What am I missing here?

      • ellipsis March 11, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

        Don’t some of the states do that already? But to the main point: this is politics. What’s fair got to do with anything? Fair is winning by whatever means possible and imposing your will on the other side. Period. Complaining about fairness = losing and getting imposed upon. If the Jackasses were actually in the game to win it, as opposed to providing a pitiful simulacrum of an actual opposition party, they wouldn’t complain about whether things were fair all the time.