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At least in wartime, the bars stay open. That’s how you know this is a different thing altogether from whatever else you’ve seen in your lifetime. Even those of us who signed up for this trip — that is, who expected a long emergency — may be a little bit in cosmic awe at just how much shit is flying into the ol’ fan. I know I am. The gods must have glugged down a mighty draft of Dulcolax.
Did you get the feeling, as I did, watching the Sanders-Biden debate last night — the inadequate versus the irrelevant — that the world they were blathering about possibly doesn’t exist anymore? The world of institutions that actually function? Like, the ones that conjure up whatever sum of money you demand to keep all the wheels spinning? Remember that Hemingway line about the guy who went broke? Slowly, then all at once. That’s us. Medicare for all now? Really? More like, a year from now every physician in America may be the equivalent of the old country doc toting a black bag around to home visits. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough horses left in America, and the few buggies we’ve got are all in the museum.
The mega financial bubble-of-bubbles is deflating with frightful velocity precisely because of the efforts since 2008 to artificially inflate it. The Federal Reserve gave it one final blast Sunday night — while everybody else was counting their rolls of toilet paper — and the effect was like blowing hot air into a shredded Zeppelin. Stock futures are “limit down” as I write, before the Wall Street open. Gold is getting pounded into the ground like a grape stake and silver is so low it looks like the hedge fund managers are down to pawning grandma’s table service. (Hint, the PMs will bounce back hard; the rest, probably not so much.)
Nobody really knows how deep and how harsh this gets (and perhaps the ones who have a clue ain’t sayin’). But the situation presents two salient questions: how much disorder is entailed in this ordeal? And what does the world look like when the convulsion phase of this thing is over?
Americans have never been through anything remotely like this. The disorders of the Civil War were sharp and horrendous military operations conducted mostly in cornfields, pastures, and woods (yes, and some small cities like Richmond, pop. 38,000, and Atlanta, pop. 10,000). When the smoke cleared, battered Dixieland emerged to numb civil order. Up in Yankeedom, the New York draft riots ran for a week around the small patch of Manhattan island, but everybody else went along with Mr. Lincoln’s program. After all that, America got on quickly with the lively business of the 19th century: railroads, mines, factories, and all that. The world wars took place in foreign lands, and the home-front scene of the 1940s now looks nostalgically idyllic.
The stresses mounting on the national scene today reflect the extreme fragilities of the way-of-life we constructed since then, and an awful lot of bad choices we made in the process, like suburbanizing the nation and making everybody a hostage to happy motoring. I won’t belabor that point, except to ask how are those vast regions of the country going to manage daily life as the supply chains wobble? I’d say a shortage of toilet paper may only be the beginning of their problems.
The cities — at least, the few that didn’t already implode from the inside out — made assumptions about how big and tall they could grow which don’t jibe with the new circumstances chugging ferociously down the line. Just think what a lockdown of the global economy will do to all those residential skyscraper projects lately hoisted up in New York, San Francisco and Boston? I’ll tell you: They are assets instantly converted into liabilities. And how will these cities even begin to pay for maintaining their complex infrastructures and services when the money for all that no longer exists and there’s no way to pretend that it will ever come back? Answer: They won’t be able to keep borrowing and they won’t manage. These cities will depopulate and there will be battles over who gets to live in the parts that still may have some value, like riverfronts.
I guess just about everybody can now see the idiocy of concentrating the nation’s commercial life in super-gigantic organisms like Big Box stores. It seemed like a good idea at the time, like so many blunders in history, and now that time is over. Any ecology thrives on redundancy — a lot of players doing similar things at the appropriate scale — and America’s chain retail model for a commercial ecology was an obvious fiasco waiting to happen. The people who run that, and other people who run other things in our society, must be wondering whether those supply-chains from China will come back. It’s no different than the cargo cults of the Solomon Islanders circa 1947, after the military airplanes stopped landing with all their magical goodies: time to go back to fishing from the dugout canoe.
The foolish, idiotic identity politics ginned up by the Left and their racially-inflamed, sexually-disturbed scribes in the Thinking Class have successfully destroyed the last shred of an American common culture that held the country together through earlier vicissitudes. So, one concludes that we’ll be left stewing in poisonous tensions, and perhaps some violent conflicts, before those matters head toward some sort of resolution.
Where does this all lead? Eventually, to a land and a people who operate their society in a very different way at a much more modest scale. The task of reorganizing our national life is immense. (There will be plenty to do, so don’t worry about that.) You can forget about the grandiose techno-narcissistic visions of electrified motoring and a robotic nirvana of perpetual sex-crazed leisure. Everything we do has to be downscaled, from whatever manufacturing we can cobble back together to rebuilding commercial ecosystems at a finer grain from region to region — in other words, what we now call small business, geared locally.
Expect giant AgriBiz to founder on a shortage of capital, especially, and expect smaller farms to organize emergently, worked by more humans working together. That is, if we want to keep eating. Expect the small towns in the well-watered parts of the country to revive while the groaning metroplexes spiral down into entropic sclerosis. Consider the value of our vast inland waterway system and the opportunities to move goods on them, when the trucking industry unravels. Consider lending a hand at rebuilding the railroad system in this country.
There will be economic roles and social roles for all those willing to step up to some responsibility. Young people may see tremendous opportunity replacing the wounded economic dinosaurs wobbling across the landscape. It’ll be all about going local and regional and making yourself useful in exchange for a livelihood and the esteem of others around you — aka, your community. Government has been working tirelessly to make itself superfluous, if not completely ineffectual, impotent, and rather loathsome in the face of this crisis that has been slowly-but-visibly building for half a century. Something old and played-out is limping offstage, and something new is stepping on. Aren’t you glad you watched all those debates?
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“Remember that Hemingway line about the guy who went broke? Slowly, then all at once. ”
It is called Seneca Effect.
“Fortune is of sluggish growth, but ruin is rapid”
-Roman Stoic Philosopher Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Italian scientist and philosopher Ugo Bardi shows how this principle works in his book “The Seneca Effect-Why Growth is Slow but Collapse is Rapid”.
I’d say the exponential function y = 2x best illustrates it. That curve is very common in nature.
THE CHASM AHEAD might be a better and more timely introduction to Ugo Bardi’ authorship.
To JHK 11th paragraph: Waterways, Trucks and (assisted) railway expansion. Railway has ability to operate on most any fuel source and deliver economical ton-miles, waits in.the wings to once more extend into many hundreds US food production districts and perform Famine Hedge duty. Canada similarly has abandoned rail lines into Wheat Trust districts in their breadbasket provinces.
“Lending a hand ” to rebuild rail lines calls on sequestered corporate and private party wealth to come forth and “Adopt/Sponsor” individual rail corridors. Bragging about making money on this or that maneuver is futile in The Famine. William Forstchen writes “ONE SECOND AFTER” on how famine comes to North America, unexpected and quickly..
Burying your family in a well-stocked vault somewhere is asking for entrapment. Better to be part of effort to assure Famine Hedge for your locale and in concert with similar efforts across the country. Assuring distribution of victuals and necessities of life creates a team spirit and keeps skill sets in the population for rebuilding.
Sources such as Thomas Bros. City & County maps are at library and County assessors offices even more than a half entury after publication, and give rail line locations. Military base warehouses still extant are made to use rail interface, and new era container methods call for tractors enroute rail mains to serve smaller communities enroute rail mains.
Full compendium of North American rail lines from the past can be obtained from Mike Walker Publications spv.co.uk “US Rail Map Atlas” booklets. Getting serious, contact American Short Line Regional Railroad Association the go-to organization for enhancing branch rail into food districts. Railway had military moniker:
“Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform”- apolitical stand alone transportation asset.
The Army/Guard railroad transportation battalion template resides at Ft.Eustis VA and must be fully involved across many crucial food corridors in the rail enhancement effort. Nonetheless, without robust private sector corporate and individual sponsorship, Famine Hedge cannot be fully be achieved. We rise or fall together
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Thank you,gentlemen,for your interest in this book which I discovered by chance at my local library.
Italians dont flood market with books but if/when they eventually choose to write something it is short,clear,lucid and to the point.
I was particularly impressed with one example.First commercial jets had square windows because it made manufacturing process easier.
When jet begins to fly a small,invisible cracks appear at the corner (fault line) of the square windows.After a couple of flights a wing falls off or even a jet body breaks in 2 pieces in mid-flight.
Thats why all windows on passenger jets are round nowadays.Funny thing is that shipbuilders built round windows (portholes) on ships well before the Age of Air Travel.
From this example Ugo Bardi proceeds to bigger things like modern financial markets…
I am already grieving for us. While I know that many things needed to change and we wanted them to change, I am most grieving the loss of community that this pandemic forces upon us. In a major storm or power failure etc we can come together and share a meal, make music and support one another. Now we are told to socially distance ourselves. EVERYTHING is cancelled. I’m getting no end to the emails cancelling every event imaginable. Even the library has closed. I’m not sure how we find our way back when the dust clears. It will be a different landscape as sure as if a massive fire had burned through it.
A bright side is that real intimacy will return – community will stay – only groupings will be smaller – more intimate. Be thankful for those close at hand. Large crowds were an attempt to avoid intimacy. Be thankful.
Many say the opposite: That this is the End of a Master Plan and that the Elite will emerge stronger than ever. They will be more than willing to “help”. Libraries – so called – will come back. What books will be allowed is quite another story. Or perhaps books will be phased out completely.
I am in my room now in Los Angeles surrounded by many of my books.
And I started with a bronchitis cough a few days ago. I haven’t flown or done any mass transit for six months. But last week I went to some restaurants at the beach and thought little of it.
Now, (I am 70 and am usually in good health), I can’t help but wonder if I will end up with Covid-19 and die leaving all my treasured books to sons who have no interest in them.
Sad. Maybe even the libraries wouldn’t want them.
I know how you feel, abbywood. I’m 65 and have a large collection of treasured books. I’ve never been interested in kindle and I think those who went that route may suffer when their connection to “the cloud” goes down.
I’m not sure I’ll live long enough to read all my books under the best of conditions. Now the corona virus may take away even that time. And one day hungry, filthy survivors camping in the ruins may use my books to keep the fires going on winter nights. Sad.
Think you boys may be watching too many Zombie movies. 5% of the population may disappear then it will be back to business as usual. Money grubbing corporations Will continue sucking the life blood out of America’s workers to the real apocalypse. Those in the lower echelon of society will die in greater numbers due to access to adequate healthcare and lack of sanitary living conditions, as planned. people living check to check may starve to death or just turn to crime to survive. My plan. If there’s anything you can count on from American’s it’s short memories once this passes, and it will pass. Found it hilarious that Norway has told it’s young studying in America to get the hell out. The reasoning was lack of collective health care with proper infrastructure. We’re a developing nation to progressive countries.American exceptionalism my ass.
You stopped just short of blaming it all on Trump. Come on, I know you want to.
Relax. There is no spoon. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.agenzianova.com%2Fa%2F5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954%2F2851060%2F2020-03-13%2Fcoronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due&sandbox=1
Many say the opposite: That this is the End of a Master Plan and that the Elite will emerge stronger than ever. They will be more than willing to “help”. Libraries – so called – will come back. What books will be allowed is quite another story. Or perhaps books will be phased out completely.
Is it remotely possible – even for just one episode – to leave your poisonous conspiracy stuff off the table? People are suffering all around the world, and right here on this forum, but you insist on seeing everything through your jealous, envious, snarling prism.
Give it a fucking rest, mate. Nlo-one cares about your bitterness and wing-nut posturing. Go look in a mirror.
I thought that Janos’ comment was spot on.
Many say the opposite: That this is the End of a Master Plan and that the Elite will emerge stronger than ever.
Who are the “Many” and where do they “say” it. Some crazy Anti-Semitic dark web sites?
Argumentum ad Homoinem. Completely gay argument of the type: If Hitler said 2+2=4, it doesn’t.
outsider
“I thought that Janos’ comment was spot on.”
I recall that you also thought the gilets jaunes were likely to be ‘Muslims pretending to be French citizens’. So, hmmm…
We regret to have to inform you that the Triple Threat Monster Truck Series event scheduled for this weekend in Grand Rapids, Michigan, has been cancelled.
You can still have the community of those whom you know & trust which is, to my elderly mind, much to be preferred to strangers of dubious provenance who may not be simply “friends you haven’t yet met” as the wanker brigade claim to believe.
Small communities have their own vicissitudes – a street of squinting windows & twitching curtains – but these are more manageable or, failing that, ignorable than the madding crowd.
Grand Theft America:https://youtu.be/bngLju8fPN4 End The Fed!
The link is not working.
the last paragraph was very hopeful for mr. k and i applaud him for it. yes, there will be many opportunities for those willing to work hard and responsibly, assuming that the center holds.
“assuming that the center holds”
fingers crossed for this to come to pass
Yeats would say differently:
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
and two lines later:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
That “rough beast slouching toward” us has no good intent.
Center? A people? Where? When? The idea that Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics are one people is simply an Elite idea foisted on White Americans via the media and academia. A return to Normalcy and Nature means separation from these hostile, alien elements. The return of Blacks to the Deep South will accelerate.
You do Putin’s work for him to divide us and conquer us.
Do you really think Putin is an idiot to divide the USA – you idiots are doing a fine job without needing any outside help, different from when you guys invaded and helped to destroy countries from Panama, Grenada, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Venezuela, Chile, Vietnam, Korea, etc. etc.
Maybe it is payback time, but surely not from Russia.
Unfortunately after all the pain the USA inflicted upon the RF with sanctions (which in the end only resulted in Russia to become economically more independent), Putin still seems to believe deals can be made with someone like the USA and the USA might act as a rational player.
But guys like you have your brain shat in with all the MSM propaganda of Russia “invading” anyone – as if Russia with the largest landmass on earth and all the resources it ever needs would ask for any more trouble with unruly populations than they have already in their own backyard in the Caucasus.
guys like you have your brain shat in – peter m
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past and past participle of shit.
Sorry, JHK, I couldn’t resist.
Bingo!! Absolutely an outstanding comment!! You are so right 100%!!!! Thank you for having the guts!! To say it! And to say the truth! Bravo ? BRAVO ? BRAVO ?
Why would they do that, it’s where the stump toothed, banjo twanging rednecks are?
Whats wrong with the banjo?
For that matter rednecks are hard workers nothing wrong with that either.
Better that over a man who looks like a women running around screaming about Social justice and throwing milkshakes at anyone they don’t agree with.
I play guitar, and can confirm that proper banjo playing takes some serious skills.
I realize it has nothing on prog snark, however.
If “the center” includes NYC and LA, we’ll all be better off it it doesn’t hold.
Hmmm?
Jim, you mean all of us won’t be driving around in $100,000 electric Teslas powered up by windmills, and flying to Mars in Tesla rocket ships?
Darn, I was so looking forward to it!
-Brh
Forget toilet paper. Any good deals on mules and plows?
Indeed, forget toilet paper. The best thing to use, and it’s ecological, is a pine cone. A word of caution, however. Be sure to go with the grain, upon application. Going against the grain has a bad effect. Just look at a pine cone and use your imagination. Best of all, when you are done, you can hurl it into the bushes. Kind of like a shit grenade.
Remember Sears catalogs.
In a nod to current technology, you could log onto a Sears website (if there was still a Sears), you could wipe with your I phone, rinse & repeat as necessary.
Now that’s what I call a “phony” solution!
Captain,
Reminds me of an incident in the distant past…;
About 25 years ago, we were deer hunting in an old growth forest about one mile from where I currently sit. Nature called, and I found a good sturdy branch to suspend myself off the ground. When finished, I located the small patch of paper towel carried for the purpose, then the branch broke and I fell into the pile just deposited.
Well, the towelette proved then entirely inadequate…Sooo the only thing remaining on my person was federal reserve notes…luckily one dollar bills. Took several to finish the job…thank God they weren’t 20’s.
Several years before this Incident, a buddy, then a detective on the local PD, told the same story…we rode him unmercifully over the incident…he used several 5’s, as I recall.
One must choose such branches carefully. I always prefer a sturdy sapling – after checking its root system.
One must always consider the root cause…
Winter was it, no leaves?
Iananna,
Deep fall it was…conifer forest.
“and I found a good sturdy branch to suspend myself off the ground.”
Is that not what leg muscles are for? I was caught short in the countryside once or twice in my younger years, but it never occurred to me that the obvious thing to do was climb a tree. Am I missing something?
Indeed you are.
A tripod is more stable then a bipod until one of the legs breaks.
I suspect there will be plenty of people willing to grow your food for you and to trade it for worthwhile things.
One big task we can undertake is to insulate all these houses that have only been profitably heated because fracked gas was so cheap.
Fracking is done as a place to pour capital into. I expect gas to go back up in price, and will place my bet accordingly. The good news is we learned how to frack, and that knowledge need not go away too.
Our wonderful “friends,” the Saudi crowd and Trump’s pal, MBS, are pumping oil like no tomorrow so they can bankrupt our already shaky, debt-heavy frackers and their bankers who are trembling so hard it’s registering a 5.6 on the Richter Scale.
Trump’s other buddy, Putin, also pumps furiously to assure as much damage to the U.S. petro and financial industries as he can. No need to nuke us, just open the spigots. He’s got us bent “over a barrel.”
Putin is pissed at us for putting sanctions on a gas pipeline he’s building to supply western Europe. Our Pentagon sees that pipeline as a threat during times of crisis when Russia could cut the flow and cripple Germany and NATO. The Russians still hate Germany for the 25 million Russians killed by the Nazis in WW-II. It ain’t over.
Yeah, but you have to admire Putin’s timing. They explicitly said they were going to pump oil to destroy fracking in return for our shutting down Nordstream 2. The oil collapse on March 6 helped kick the market and the West into a bear market and rolling crash.
It will dry up the capital for fracking. Which will dry up the supply of oil. Which will end the gas glut, since much of the gas is only a byproduct of oil production.
I don’t know that Putin hates Germany. He was long stationed there and speaks the language. Before Lord Grey successfully set the Russians against the Germans to end the Russian threat to British India, Germany and Russia got along pretty well. Maybe Putin, Xi, and the Germans are just reuniting what Mackinder called the World Island, and cutting out the Anglo-American sea powers.
If there is any doubt that Putin is the most skilled diplomat of his generation one need only to look at recent history. Russia has one overriding foreign policy objective—never again will it permit itself to be invaded by a foreign enemy.
1- The USA initiated an economic war against Russia through economic sanctions with the goal of using that plus NATO to strangle and overthrow the nationalistic Russian government and replace it with trained puppets or Chaos..
2- The end result was to encourage a military and economic alliance with China and promote diversification and increased self-reliance within the Russian economy.
3- In the era of Coronavirus, Russia remains the least impacted of any major nation because of centralized decision making and effective control over its borders..
4- As a nation with supply chains less dependent upon globalization, Russia has the lowest foreign debt load of any major country—28% of GDP vs 115% GDP in the US.
5- Russia is the natural supplier with the lowest cost of production for natural gas in Europe, and is also the low cost producer of oil.
6- The US organized and financed a coup in Ukraine and installed a WWII style Nazi leadership hostile to Russia.The US goal was to base nuclear missiles only a few minutes flight from Moscow.
7- The US used all its international clout to slow and prevent the Nordstream pipeline from providing the final lifeline between Russia and Europe.
Putin had only to take stock of the history of it’s post-war relationships with the USA/NATO to understand that in (economic) war you should strike when your enemy is weakest. The US has been able to become the marginal pricer in the world oil markets through a transparent PONZI scheme (fracking) which requires exponential expansion of capital to sustain physical operations that never generate profit. The collapse of the stock market bubble signaled Russia’s opportunity to strike and drive a stake into the heart of the fracking PONZI. And with it hasten the end of the US control of the Dollar as the world reserve currency. There is no price war between the Saudi royal family and Russia,although Russia is really the player in the driver’s seat. As the two producers that can survive low pricing, they are in effective alliance to urge along the collapse of the American energy sector and with it the global dominance of the Empire.
Third hammer
Thank you for that informative perspective on Putin, Russia, the energy-price scamming and the covert attack on US hegemony through this emergent crisis. It makes so much sense- while we’re all running round like headless chooks, you’ve pointed out what’s escaped most people, especially this dumb-arse administration and the complicit media.
One thing though – Russian debt at 28% of GDP isn’t ‘the lowest’. New Zealand is st 19% and has just committed $12.5 billion (2% of GDP) to a fiscal and economic package that will significantly reduce the financial impact on the working population, small businesses and the public health system.
Sorry Thor….danged auto-correct!
The Great Fear of British Finance, together with their assorted successors and hangers-on, was and is a working alliance between Germany and Russia. They’ve been working centuries to forestall the emergence of such a constellation….
The current administration has approached diplomacy with Russia in an entirely different manner than the Obama Admin. who were ready to put up a no-fly zone in Syria to stop the Russians from ending the reign of terror of Obama’s ISIS proxy army.
The “complicit media” wants war, because the neo cons and libs want war.
Leave it to Maj to comically misinterpret basic geopolitics.
Your President, that’s right, Trump is your President, is no personal friend of Mr Putin. MSNBC Shit for dingle berries brain.
Raygun in the 80s threatened Euroland with dire consequences and tried to ban US companies from trading there if they dared hook up to the first Russian pipelines.
That was then – it didn’t phase them – and this is now when they’ll take even less notice of the Orange Oaf.
The legitimacy of the State is on the table. The grift of Identity politics worked when the pie was growing but will it work when it is rapidly shrinking? Yes of course just like Yugoslavia circa the 90s.
“I beseech ye Mars god of war give us guidance when Sassy Stacy Adams casts her curses upon the people of the land for our sexism, racism and homophobia.”
Gentle liberals and conservatives who love gentle liberals I wish upon you no harm in any fashion I simply want my freedom from you.
Perhaps the grift if identity politics was blacks figuring out that with Hispanics being a larger group than they are, and Asians being recent, that those groups combined feel no responsibility for slavery. So the recent push was to secure what was possible from a guilty white ruling class, before it’s replaced by an uninterested Asian ruling class.
I was just noticing locally, that the people who clamor for sanctuary cities and claim great concern for illegal aliens, are really only talking about Mexicans, who aren’t even a race.
They don’t care at all about the Chinese people. Mexicans, maybe some Guatemalans or Salvadorans, from time to time Muslims, but never Chinese.
Home Depot doesn’t put up signs in Mandarin, either.
Price of Gold and Bitcoin dropping, fast.
Manipulated markets?
Only things liquid enough to sell. Physical Gold is an asset that is no one’s liability,
You cannot eat gold or the cloud. Both are only as valuable as people believe.
Skills will be the wealth of the future.
Yea, but this is about covering other leveraged bets and the difference between physical markets and paper markets driven by derivatives.
Gold and silver, like a good 45 feel best when held in your own hands.
Artisans will be welcome anywhere when MBAs are hewing water & carrying wood.
when MBAs are hewing water & carrying wood. – Iananna
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I think you got that backward but perhaps on purpose for comedic effect.
whooooshhhh
Gold is decoupling from paper so Mr. Kunstler is correct it will bounce back hard! The manipulation will soon be as ineffective on PM’s as it is on the stock market. All paper is reverting to its true worth.
Temporary for gold, I suspect. Bitcoin, OTOH, is a sham.
The fact that current events are strongly deflationary is hitting home.
“Event 201” organized by Johns Hopkins, the World Economic Forum, and the Gates Foundation, in OCTOBER 2019, conducted a “pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic”.
What was this hypothetical virus? “Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. ”
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
Some of you will recognize a familiar pattern here.
Drop the zero and you get Agenda 21. The Pigs symbolize People.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/new-coronavirus-wasnt-predicted-in-simulation/
I’m seeing a familiar pattern, but it’s not the one you mean.
Two things are sure to increase: pregnancies and omestic violence
domestic
Why pregnancies? Old populations do not experience population booms.
yea but wait until the millennials and gen z’ers realize how much more fun real sex is than sexting…. just saying
Doc – No sports to watch. That leaves…
Parcheesi?
Perhaps. Birth rate has been dropping since forever. There’s a real break between 1964 and 1965, and we’ve never returned.
It’d be nice to see more kids running around since living in a society-wide old folks home isn’t much to bring cheer. I hope he is correct.
Even in countries that make more of an effort at “helping” parents, the birth rates stay low.
I’m thinking of places such as Norway, who have all the programs and paid leave, etc.
It’s still common to see families with one child.
On average planned parenthood does 1k abortions a day everyday.
Do the math.
They could show the 1958 NFL championship with Frank Gifford and Johnny Unitas. Johnny Carson re_runs at night
I was reading Joe Namath’s autobiography recently, but I couldn’t finish it. It made me too sad for what we’ve lost.
Lysistrata or Judith & Holofernes?
lol, Jim fixed the “country doc with a black around..” line..
ha ha..
I was just writing something smart allecky about the Confederacy, too! lol
well there is a saying in this part of the Northern Wastes you hear amongst the Finlanders here..
Sisu
pronounced see-soo in English
its grit, hardness..perseverance..
that’s what you need right now.. a little Sisu
“Americans have never been through anything remotely like this” – actually, Americans have. The Spanish flu of 1918 hit the USA hard.
It wasn’t linked to an economic meltdown. Big difference. JHK Admin.
That was a Christian, 90% White America with strictly controlled borders and immigration policy.
It was also a country that the people gave a damn about, no longer.
why should we? who is we?
70 million ‘latinos’ from the 3rd world.
muslims.
people w dual citizenship.
leftists with bizarre notions about race and gender not existing.
etc.
Right. That was America. We’ve been living in Scamerica for a long time.
Maybe since Wilson signed the Federal Reserve, the Income Tax, and got us into a war that he ran for re-election on with the slogan “he kept us out of war.” Oh, and instituted segregation in the Federal Government.
yep..might see some real ugly tribalism out there
We’ve been seeing it for a while.
Dr.Tom sez:
“We’ve been seeing it for a while.”
like a militia from Korea Town with AKs fighting it out with a militia of blacks with AKs
that type of ugly
No Petey, that was beautiful. Or do you think they should have just let the primitives savage their businesses, wives, and children?
Behold the Problem.
Herr Janos sez:
“No Petey, that was beautiful. Or do you think they should have just let the primitives savage their businesses, wives, and children?
Behold the Problem.”
No, if I were one of these kimchi eating fellas in K Town there I’d be grabbing my AK too, that’s for damn sure
lol
..but ethnic militias fighting it out on some street corner isn’t where you want your society to have sunk too there bud, so..
Oh yeah Janos, in your case especially the children. Girl children, right?
Really, Jim, as a futurist you suck, but that’s OK since all futurists suck because as Jim Morrison said in one of his songs: “the Future’s uncertain, but the end is always near”. But seriously, you have been pounding away forever on the same theme that we’ll all go back to riding trains and we’ll become a society of locavore villages with village tradesmen and artisans. And we’ll live in the world depicted in your various novels. I’m your age and well recall the visions of the future depicted in publications in the fifties, but that vision never came to pass and the vision of HG Wells in “Things to come” had atomic bombs, so named, but functionally not like the reality.
So, the world of the future you envision, which I think reflects your wishes in some way, isn’t likely to come about unless some plague like George Stewart wrote about in “Earth Abides” comes along and kills off 9,999 out of every 10,000 people, reducing the population to random wandering individuals who coalesce into small tribes. Otherwise the future is more likely to incorporate much of the present and will still have industry and large scale commerce, but maybe modified in various ways to accommodate changing circumstances.But, absent the aforementioned plague, global nuclear armageddon, or that giant asteroid strike. “World made by Hand” isn’t too likely and harping about it is starting to make you seem a tad nutty, which is a shame since you do have good ideas and I’ve followed you for as long as you’ve been blogging.
I dont know what the future holds.
Is Corona man made?
Intentionally released?
culling the herd? doesnt seem like it will kill a billion of us but it can bring about a police state.
LOL, ok Boomer! This is your normalcy bias kicking in. You are absolutely right. There is an awesome chance that the future will contain some sort of continuity with the past. What you are missing, is that there is a chance that there will be a sharp discontinuity with the past after this event, or possibly some future event. Either way increased localization seems highly likely even now as supply chains start to fall apart. At the very least let things play out a little bit before you start tossing the “you suck” ‘s around. IMHO.
I don’t blame Jim for his “vista of the atavista”. The America that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about was a much saner place, minus slavery of course, but the small town centered community ethos of the pre-industrial age, more developed in the North, was for real. It served social life with undeniable security and stability based on a large consensus. So, on that level, I understand the desire to return to the fairer and more dignified American Way of Life. It’s just that I don’t think it is probable. Short of a still unimaginable catastrophe which would decimate the human population to scattered remnants of the species, recovery to something that still looks very much like today, is the likeliest outcome. The elites, as always formed by natural human psychological dominance traits, but in our times exchanging disciplined upbringing and learning for a fantastic sense of self-approbation and entitlement, will be back. You may rest assured. Nor will they feel in any way chastened by any mayhem that the pandemic (or their inept handling of it) will bring about. The global economy has come out of hibernation thanks to them, they will tell you. They will find a way to borrow money from Mars to keep producing more garbage and plastic to wrap it up.
I’m with you Erik. I haven’t posted since jhk told me “go fuck yourself” in an angry email a year ago in answer to my notion his recent postings were gaslighting his readers. Interesting how quickly literary conceits vanish with pushback. The world made by hand may be somewhere in the future, but for present the question is: will this country continue as a democracy or fascism? The lights are blinking red and based on the comments of many readers here, I am not optimistic.
In Earth Abides Joey was the first son of Ish and Em. Joey is the only child with an academic bent but he dies and the light of learning foes out..
Of Typhoid fever. In Earth Abides primitive life returns and all that came before is lost.
fades out, exit stage left.
Remember that one of JHKs prophesies is the re localization of everything. Reconstruction will start locally, serving local needs.
Cargill, for example, might think about worrying about his own country as they have been just about as effective as ours. His name calling and unadulterated BS should be aimed at the PTB down under.
The unraveling of the market is just the removal of all the debt based bubbles, such as student loans, real estate, health insurance, the mortgage industry, that have been developed. Bush and Obama are about to be reviled when the people here realize that their offshoring of industry, in the name of climate change, and its replacement with a service sector based on illegal immigration growth and financialization may have just collapsed. This has been coming on for a long time. Crises seem to end BS buildups. Hey, sounds like the Fourth Turning.
Mitigation is now the only way of handling the virus. If this scourge does not abate like DC has ordered, it WILL take everyone down. Watch the next year, you may see the rise of China to the primary superpower, they are already going back to work.
I regret our lording over China, their learning curve info could have avoided much of what will be called in the future, The Great Unraveling, or Whatever Happened to Uncle Sam?
Yes, we are tired of cargill, who feels ‘sorry for us’.
Ok. I’ll take that into consideration.
interesting post John.. and you think you may be right.
woops.. fat finger there
..and I think you might be right LOL
The virus will wind up being not a big deal. The economic collapse we are engaging in to react to it will wind up a VERY big deal.
Of course, poorer people are less likely to be healthy. So the response strikes me as more likely to kill people by making them poorer than the actual virus kills.
I agree the virus will end up being a nothing burger. But how can retail, already half past dead, come back from 30 or 60 days of almost no revenue? It can’t and after this is down we’ll all be more amazon dependent. Guess how that story ends.
fugeguy
Having it be a nothing burger is precisely the aim of what social distancing and rest is all about. So hopefully you are correct.
Polio is now a nothing burger, as are smallpox, and so far nuclear holocaust.
A vivid recent example is the Y2K scare. Probably billions were spent to make it so and what do you know, the tech world was able to prevent what would have been disaster of massive proportions.
Afterwards there will be the chorus of fools who crow about how wrong everyone was who predicted disaster, probably heard most abundantly on faux news.
Sounds like you took your meds this morning
I was in the IT biz with the Army all during the Y2K time. I knew, ABSOLUTELY, that Y2k was a big nothing.
Beginning about 1996-97, people started paying attention to the Y2k issues. Everyone, and I mean everyone, started re-working their software to preclude any issues when clocks ticked over from 99 to 00. In 1998 the spending really took off and continued on into 1999.
All levels of government – federal, state, city, county, and every agency in every government, and every bank and credit card and financial firm and everyone with a payroll system or an order/sales system, you name it, even makers of digital clocks, absolutely EVERYONE with a piece of software that had “date” data worked to fix the problem. ??In
the Army, as with ALL of the Federal govt, the word came down from Congress in the 1996 timeframe to fix it or else, and to do so within current budget lines for “IT Maintenance” and other such stuff.
Then Congress got scared and decided to pony up a pot of funds to speed the work. Why? Because THEY did not want to be the culprit if the shit hit the fan. That pushed the pressure down to the agency level to fix it.?
People spent money hand over fist. Old COBOL programmers came out of retirement, for nice bonus money, to work on decades-old systems, in both govt and in industry. We did our job in our agency. We checked and double checked and ran all sorts of test runs on our national defense systems for deploying the force. We tested data feeds across agencies as well as within our own agencies. We knew we were good to go.
In 1999 we hired outside auditors to come in and double check the double checkers, get an outsider to check our work. It all worked. I sat with the auditors quite a few times on the systems and products for which I was the main in-house integrator for lots of stuff, like the mileage calculator within the Defense Travel System, etc.
We got a big laugh over all the doom and gloom crap at the time. Scare mongers were saying elevators would crash to the basements, planes would fall from the air, the water utilities would stop working, the banks would lose your account and a hundred other totally vaporous scenarios. People hoarded water like no tomorrow and it took years for some of them to drink it all up. Sound familiar?
By late 1999 we were 100% good to go. So was the entire nation. Only one fluke event happened on 1-1-2000, and that was a minor glitch in one spy satellite, which NSA fixed in 20 minutes by sending up a software patch.
“Probably billions were spent to make it so and what do you know, the tech world was able to prevent what would have been disaster of massive proportions.”
That will be the spin- that they saved us! Kind of how the FED saved us in 2008. From a disaster the FED spent 95 years creating…
The bonus will be there will be no mom and pops or local business that survives. But the big boys will be bailed out and walah more central control of everything.
Super duper sweet…
I also worked on Y2K. The company I was with spent over 100mm. I joked with my boss that we should just hire someone to sign off that we were Y2K compliant, and set aside funds to reimburse clients for problems, setting aside the full 100MM as a reserve. We didn’t do that, of course.
In May of 1999, I sat and had this thought: “I know my systems are OK. I just don’t know about everyone else.” In June of 1999, I realized that everyone was saying what I had said in May. And then I realized that it had been largely invented as a crisis to funnel money to consultants.
The good news was that a lot of the new equipment we bought helped bootstrap the Internet boom. The bad news was the financial crash that resulted in 2000 from the end of Fed liquidity.
People spent money hand over fist. Old COBOL programmers came out of retirement, for nice bonus money, to work on decades-old systems, in both govt and in industry.
I was one of those older COBOL programmers who made a nice little earner going in to look at old code for Citibank Australia. In reality we could fix anything pretty quickly (coding is NOT rocket science) – but we did take our time to make some money.
Those who die can’t disagree with you. This is a dirty trick. It won’t be a big deal. For those who die it will be the deal of a lifetime.
People die all the time, K-Dog. How Bad this might be would be instructive when compared to our previous pandemic, Spanish Flu. It turns out that about 366,000 people died in Italy from that affliction in a little under a year.
I’ll be shocked if Coronavirus gets that high.
I believe that it’s only propaganda that China is “going back to work”. I just read yesterday that much of China, particularly in Hubei is still shuttered. Once they start to “get back to work” there is going to be a new outbreak. So I don’t look for normal activity to resume. But they always talk a very sweet game so I am sure they do plan to tell the world that not only are they back to work but they have also “defeated” the virus.
ya
the MSM/ppl who are telling the world that China has thing this under control are totally deluded..
Our MSM loves China just like the Elites do.
The smog patterns of industry are the true test and they can’t fake that.
Its science after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/world/nasa-china-pollution-coronavirus-trnd-scn/index.html
Yeah that is very interesting. I wonder what satellite images would reveal to us today? I bet they are still nowhere around what they used to be. And that is good from at least the Earth’s perspective.
benr, nice to know you haven’t climbed into bed with all the scatter brains who insist on minimizing the seriousness of what is about to explode on the landscape.
There is creeping sense we ain’t seen nothing yet.
Evelyn
You are right on.
Fear is the number one enemy right now. The virus impact is a big unknown right now. Unknowns breed fear!
If a bit of fear leads to the urgent manufacture of extra ventilators, I’m all for it. They won’t go off like cheese.
“If a bit of fear leads to the urgent manufacture of extra ventilators, I’m all for it. They won’t go off like cheese.”
???
I’ve read this 3 times and still I don’t understand it.
What do ventilators & cheese have in common? 🙂 lol ha ha
this must be a Britishism of some variety…
It was just for colour (possibly annatto!).
Just read ‘they don’t go off’. As in they can sit in a warehouse and no harm will come to them if they aren’t needed (as if…).
And I meant go off as in degenerate, not go off as in explosives. 🙂
But as has been mentioned already, you can’t do anything with a ventilator without a bunch of highly trained, specialist nurses to manage it. And we’re short of tens of thousands of nurses. Many of the ones from the EU have gone to friendlier countries since the Brexiters made it clear they didn’t want them. Oh dear.
I believe that it’s only propaganda that China is “going back to work”. I just read yesterday that much of China, particularly in Hubei is still shuttered
Our Chinese friends in Shanghai have been back at work for two weeks – strong social distancing and hand sanitising around the workplace, and everyone wears masks when outside.
My neighbour’s daughter, along with her Chinese husband and their kids, went back to Shanghai last Thursday from here. She’s a teacher and had been summoned back. So Shangai does definitely seem to be getting back to work.
My SO is native Chinese. That gives me a little better insight, albeit a small one.. She reports here family in Shenyang have al returned to work. Her sister who works for the government has not. But that is not surprising, she never did have to work too much..
Cargill, for example, might think about worrying about his own country as they have been just about as effective as ours. His name calling and unadulterated BS should be aimed at the PTB down under.
Funnily enough I can walk and chew gum at the same time … we have two TVs in our lounge-dining areas – one on CNN and one on Australia’s ABC News 24 – often the stories are similar.
I do care about Australia of course, and while we don’t have a huge underclass of poor non-white people, or a hyper-partisan and broken political system, we do share many of the same issues of late capitalism as the US. Although I suggest we are even more vulnerable and exposed to the vagaries of international trade – particularly in minerals, food, textiles, and energy
Despite significant differences in culture – the similarities are enormous as well. We grew up with Leave It To Beaver and Father Knows Best as idealised versions of the past-present, and The Jetsons as the vision of the future.
I don’t know how much you guys travel, but you can see what James’s version of a future America could be like in many countries of the world – from Greek and Eastern European villages through to small towns in Indonesia, India, and SE Asia.
There are many of us (meaning Australians and Americans who are weary of the big-city complexities and joylessness of “modern” life) who really might welcome living at the level of a self-sustaining Greek or Croatian village. Late-age hippiedom!
There are two problems with this:
(1) these places tend to be pretty poor – since right throughout history cities have been the generators of wealth, trade, myriad consumer items, health services, entertainment, etc
(2) and as a consequence of this, small-town / village life can be very closed and very boring – not everyone wants to a farmer, or a John Deere mechanic, or selling clothes or making coffee and cakes.
So for many generations the best and brightest have headed off from Podunk to bigger cities for education, careers, entertainment, finding mates, and much else.
I have difficulties with some of James’s future vision – and at best it will only apply to a fairly small percentage of the (prepared) population – the rest (those who don’t actually die) will descend into some very dystopian and awful tribal life in cities – scrounging and scrabbling and just getting by somehow, and very poor. Although the rich will continue to be rich, I expect.
That really explains why you are so misinformed.
CNN is a hot bead of lies and nonsense.
The DJIA made it 30 minutes there this AM.. down 10%, then had to stop trading..
looks like they’ve resumed their trades and its down around 8% right now…
I kinda wonder how the whole “work from home” stuff is gonna work out.. a lot of these companies may just look at the money they are saving from all the meals & hotels & plane rides and decide that the “work from home” is gonna be the new normal for all the corporate types out there..
who knows..
will robots save us or kill us? fuck zuc and bezos.
yea for sure lol
robots… maybe they’ll take over all the brick and mortar & restaurants/bars/fast food joints.. roll into the Burger King and get a whopper ala’ robot
it is near, I fear.
have you seen the amazon robots?
nope
Proof that the Stupidification of America affects the Elite as much as the rest of us.
When are the AI and robot fans going to realize that after they computerize everything and humans are eliminated, there will be no one to buy their stuff.
“When are the AI and robot fans going to realize…”
I think many do realize it, which is why they are buying bunkers and bug-out spots in remote areas.
You’ve just shown the limits of your Ideology and personality. If they control all energy and capital, they don’t need people to buy their “stuff”. The people are then just useless eaters to be gotten rid of.
Capitalism was only ever a means to an end. You see it as an end in itself. Typical low class attitude. A climber, an ass kisser or ass kicking grasper. No Aristocratic Dignity whatsoever. No Slack! Or even the capacity to understand it.
When are the AI and robot fans going to realize that after they computerize everything and humans are eliminated, there will be no one to buy their stuff.
Karl Marx actually said quite a lot about this – without a fair wage for workers, who is going to buy all the stuff that increasing mechanisation will produce?
It’s going to kill a lot,of marginal businesses that employ a lot people. NYC just made restaurants takeout only. The job losses will be unprecedented.
That “record low unemployment rate?” (You know, the one that did NOT correspond with a “record high employment rate?”) expect that to skyrocket.
yep for sure!
until they rejigger the hedonics to show how fewer people working is actually more 😉
Yes – a medical crisis is also a major economic crisis. Richard Quest on CNN was making this point very strongly this (Tuesday) morning – his view is the only question is how deep the recession might be.
And an economic crisis becomes a health crises:
https://www.apa.org/monitor/oct01/wealthhealth
“Stock futures are “limit down” as I write, before the Wall Street open. Gold is getting pounded into the ground like a grape stake and silver is so low it looks like the hedge fund managers are down to pawning grandma’s table service. (Hint, the PMs will bounce back hard; the rest, probably not so much.)”
Don’t let the slv and gld fool you. The US mint is already out of silver american eagles having already sold 3-4X as March 2019. Premiums are gapping up. Price for physical will grow much faster the derivative driven ETF’s.
The problem is the sellers of physical are asking very high premiums. Apmex and Kitco are still selling but way above spot price.
I see that not as a problem but reality rearing her ugly head.
Reality is a she? I kind of thought it was an “it”.
After being married for 26 plus years you bet my reality is a she 😉
After being married for 26 plus years you bet my reality is a she.
Well said fugeguy!
Couldn’t have said it better myself (29 years)!
The ASX (Sydney) is up about 3.5% today – near the close Tuesday. Dead cat bounce?
Millennials are going to be detoxing as the adderol supply chains dry up soon.
I feel the need to take a swipe at the Baby Boomer’s as this fucking thing goes down, for one reason. Up until that generation came into being there was a sense of the intergenerational contract.
Be kind to your family. If necessary help your family clean house. While all the Boomers are quarantined I think we need to have a nice long conversation with them about what their retirement is really going to look like….. Enjoy the Decline Folks.
“Millennials are going to be detoxing as the adderol supply chains dry up soon. ”
oh, geez lul
make an exception to open up the bouncy houses to let ’em jump around in!
While all the Boomers are quarantined I think we need to have a nice long conversation with them about what their retirement is really going to look like…..
LOL! I try to have that conversation with all the Boomers (and X’ers) I know as often as possible. Their blind faith in “the markets” is about to go poof!, like so much pixie dust before the gale.
Are hear the younguns’ are calling the virus “The Boomer Remover”
I feel the need to take a swipe at the Baby Boomer’s as this fucking thing goes down.
We are boomers (67) – and we and many in our cohort have gone through a lot (apart from building the exciting world that Xs, Zs, and Millennials now enjoy).
We have spent much of the last decade (and for many it’s ongoing) looking after our war-time parents in the last 2-3 years of their lives, and meanwhile providing massive free baby-sitting for grandkids, and in many cases, finding space in our houses for our kids and their families.
We Boomers have had a good run – a great run – but it would be a mistake to claim that it’s been all free beer and nude mud-wrestling, and we should now be denied the ventilators.
@Cargill
There are many boomers who I have great respect for, Howard Kunstler, John Michael Greer, Derrick Jensen, and Chris Martenson spring to mind. A lot of boomers I know take care of their aging “wartime parents” simply to inherit more than their siblings. There are a few boomers I know who genuinely care about their parents. You know that scene from Second Hand Lions where the relatives show up with a will for Hub and Garth? I feel like that is a perfect parody for many boomers caring for their parents. They just want the family silver ware.
The difference I see between the wartime generation and the boomers is the wartime generation actually wants their boomer children and millenial/gen-x grand children/great grand children to inherit something. The boomers meanwhile rack up more debt to enrich their own lives at the expense of the millennials and everyone else.
It’s the some of the cultural changes that came about during the reign of the boomers that are problematic. The warped mindset that came about in the 1950s and 1960s of perpetual progress, was nothing new. Under the boomers “progress” reviled the lessons of history in way it never could before.
As for the ventilators, most places seem to be using the same criteria that go into determining if someone is eligible for a kidney transplant.
The boomers meanwhile rack up more debt to enrich their own lives at the expense of the millennials and everyone else.
Some insightful stuff there … I definitely think the war-time generation (essentially all gone now) did pride themselves when they could, on passing down some silverware – I certainly know my parent and my in-laws did.
However a really big proportion die in a position of net debt – I don’t the numbers – and I don’t think it’s a peculiarity of us Boomers. Mind you – with our bratty next generation, I don’t care a great deal!
In Australia Boomers having a ball are called SKINS – Spending the Kids Inheritance Now … works for me. But anyway – it doesn’t depend on your generation really – there are some eternal verities. There are the rich with their trusts, the comfortable middle like me, and then a very large percentage who have rather few assets at all – right throughout their working lives and then when they die.
https://news.yahoo.com/half-frances-coronavirus-patients-intensive-123044974.html
Half of all French coronavirus patients in intensive care are below the age of 65. Similar situation in Italy or developing in Italy. The “experts” have been saying low risk and only the elderly need to be really concerned. I think they did it only to stave off the economic damage for as long as possible. Even if it meant that the pandemic would become even more severe. I hope that isn’t true but I have a trust issue.
SSL, The younger people are being treated because of a limited number of ventilators. They’re doing triage and the old and infirm go in the hallway.
I wonder if there is a way that Trump can just order companies to make ventilators and other medical equipment? I heard yesterday that Germany is doing something like that. I think it was Germany, but definitely a European country.
Some info on the situation in Europe, SSL:
https://www.ft.com/content/5a2ffc78-6550-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
Germany is by far and away the best placed to deal with ICU patients, possibly why Nightowl is happy to talk smugly about fear porn, since he isn’t going to be left suffocating in a corridor, a fate I do not anticipate with any serenity.
The Germans are generally to be admired in these matters. My country, like yours (but even more so) was led by the nose into a service economy – in our case by the High Priestess Margaret Hilda Thatcher – without any thought for possible disruptions to normal service.
Also someone else mentioned elsewhere that America (and presumably by extension the UK as well?) was led into a service-economy scenario for reasons related to climate change concerns. I don’t think that argument stands up to any scrutiny.
Firstly there was, back then, no competition between nations to keep to commitments on emissions, because the process started long before any climate agreements or even serious climate discussions.
Secondly, moving production to a less advanced country means more emissions (and pollution generally) per unit of production than keeping production in countries with more sophisticated industrial plants with higher environmental standards (always a fight over your way for ideological reasons, I realise, but still). And AGW doesn’t give a toss which country the emissions came from, since it doesn’t spare anywhere in its effects.
Not aimed at you, SSL, just developing a point. Some people would like to blame everything on people concerned to limit climate damage.
Margaret Thatcher was the equivalent of Ronny Raygun. Maybe they were lovers.
Hardly, but they were said to have ‘chemistry’!
And who will “make” all the ICU nurses needed to run those vents and take care of all the patients?? And some of those nurses will also become sick.
This one HAS to go into the “We Didn’t Think” file.
Abbybwood R.N. and former ICU nurse
Exactly. My husband tells me it takes five trained ICU nurses per ventilator. We certainly don’t have them or anywhere to get them.
If half of the folks in intensive care are below 65 that means the other half are over 65…but over 65 in most parts of the world is only 15% of the total…sounds pretty scary to be over 65 in France right now.
Not just in France. 🙂
What do you think of Rosalind Cash?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWB6Ufh4O98
there is no phone ringing, DAMMIT!
lol
Wow so even in the seventies they didn’t want a White Eve. It seems like that is the main theme. So then I wonder who the Adam is supposed to be for the White Eve? Probably an Arab lol!
Great post Jim! As you have correctly noted, it looks like the financial “markets” (irony quotes) are the greatest immediate concern this morning, right on the heels of the disruptions in the real economy, where travel, shipping, and all the things that keep the JIT economy afloat are rapidly locking up. Contagion is of course the core problem of problems with a fully integrated global economy, so it seems only fitting that a global financial contagion follows so closely on the heels of a human health contagion like this. Almost like the universe is none too subtly trying to tell us something. Like a railroad tie upside the head not subtly.
“There will be economic roles and social roles for all those willing to step up to some responsibility. Young people may see tremendous opportunity replacing the wounded economic dinosaurs wobbling across the landscape. It’ll be all about going local and regional and making yourself useful in exchange for a livelihood and the esteem of others around you — aka, your community. Government has been working tirelessly to make itself superfluous, if not completely ineffectual, impotent, and rather loathsome in the face of this crisis that has been slowly-but-visibly building for half a century. Something old and played-out is limping offstage, and something new is stepping on. Aren’t you glad you watched all those debates?”
That’s a real good, last paragraph there.. and its full of the promise of the rise of meaningful activity for a population who have become enslaved to so many harmful addictive habits & chemicals & thought patterns..
This is mainly for optimistic sentiments expressed earlier about “community” emerging from the forecast calamity. From history we know that the first alliances to arise from the vacuum of social collapse are those comprised of the most viciously opportunistic in the absence of any civil enforcement. More that of the pirate element, brutally unrestrained in acting out the most reptilian brain impulse for power and control. Do the study; humane sociability takes time, think how long Stalinist reigned in Russia, or consider the Bosnia conflict, or consult the history of the French Revolution, or how about the Cambodian Pol Pot regime, etc., etc…….
Went to the Giant supermarket last Saturday and the aisles were empty. Went to my local independent grocer and they had everything except toilet paper and sanitizing wipes.
Start planting gardens and learning how to preserve and cook real food. I am strangely optimistic.
I’m guessing you’ve never planted a garden of any size or ambition. “Victory” gardens, handled by people who knew what they were doing supplemented a family’s need for fresh veg. DID NOT feed them all all year. It staves off vitamin deficiency situations.
Even larger sized hobby gardens take enormous time energy and water and don’t keep you all fed by any stretch. Seeds of today are different than those of old. Weather is a real problem, soil is critical. This whole thing like what Bloomberg said – anyone can be a farmer, you toss a seed into the group and go have a beer, that’s all insanely wrong. Also insulting.
If you form a co-op with some neighbors, you can trade your single crop for some of what they planted.
I had problems with my venture into growing pumpkins, and I’m not someone who has never grown anything before.
A lot of things can become problems that the beginner does not foresee, and the don’t mention on the seed packet.
Hybrids that have developed so specialty plants can be grown have created fragile seeds that are not robust. Part of farming is learning what will grow in your climate. An example is tomatoes in Arizona. You would think that a growing season of more than 330 days would be terrific. Except that very few veggies tolerate the summers here. For example squash grow leaves like crazy but do not set fruit. In reality, we have two seasons, pre summer and post summer, both shorter than a lot of veggies need.
Corn works well, okra works well. Short season tomatoes are okay.
Could you share the tomatoes and g a full season? Or is t the heat?
I’m thinking of trying grains. I should be able to grow about two bushels a year.
For whatever this is worth re: the stupidity of the Big Box stores –
Tthere are some preppers saying that it’s very possible the federal government will partner with Wal-mart specifically and maybe Target and CVS since Trump has already singled them out, to turn them in to official supply distribution centers (they mean an eventual rationing program), with the military in the parking lots to keep order.
No more fat-ho fist-fights between Shaniqua, Rosalia, and Karen over pop-tarts, GI Joe will be ready to restore order.
LOL! Maybe they keep the fat-ho fist fights, but just contain them. You know, for the entertainment value. People are gonna sorely need all the entertainment they can get.
I’ll puttin’ a sawbuck on Shaniqua. 2 to 1.
Set up a makeshift ring right in the parking lot,
“In this corner Tashieka Smith, 240 lbs, lives in the Marcus Garvey housing projects”.
“In that corner Rosalie Tarbox, 80 lbs., lives on the Meth Farm at the outskirts of town.
Winning prize is a case of TP.
You could sell tickets,
Brh
Wayne Karp did that in ‘World Made by Hand’. But it wasn’t wrasslin. It was porn. With pornhub gone Wayne saw too it that needs and other things were filled.
Gawd, I remember that. The minister didn’t have a very good night, from what I recall.
“… Government has been working tirelessly to make itself superfluous, if not completely ineffectual, impotent, and rather loathsome…”
Actually, no. Forces outside of government are causing this.
The GOP, Libertarians, Fox, right wing blowhard radio, Norquist, Gingrich, evangelicals and many more have pushed the bullcrap for years to “cut taxes” and “cut government” and “de-regulate” and “get government off our backs.” By doing so we play right into the hands of our enemies who lick their chops in anticipating a moribund federal government. Our enemies use our own social media and internet to pump out lies and conspiracy theories on thousands of bogus websites and tens of thousands of bogus social media accounts using “persona management” software to keep the lies coming to befuddle citizens.
Our Federal government is the only thing holding this country, and if we lose it then we lose our country. The KGB planned 20+ years ago for the USA to break apart into several regions and you can bet your ass Putin loves the idea and works hard to make it happen by driving wedges between us and our government and between our regions. Here’s the link: https://www.the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/29/russian-professor-predicts-breakup-of-us-in-2010/
Well, here we are, the shit has hit the fan and all we got is a total moron of a carnival barker for President. Just when you need a strong federal government all we have is a Liar in Chief telling us how he has the best people and it’s all going to just go away and that’s it’s all a DEM hoax to make him look bad.
Trump is the stupid S.O.B. who fired the pandemic crew two years ago in one of his manic narcissistic fits to undo anything the black guy did.
Trump is the stupid S.O.B. whose unneeded tax cut fueled bubbles in housing and stock markets that are now crashing down around us, just like in 2008.
The same perp that pushed Bush’s tax cuts, Kudlow, is the same perp pushing Trump’s tax cuts, and with the same results and here we are again, the world crashing down around us. Any day now Kudlow, former cocaine addict, will swear that more tax cuts will solve it all. More tax cuts won’t solve a damned thing.
GOP tax cuts in the 1920s, 1980s, 2000s and 2017 all preceded huge market crashes. We’re living in a perpetual GOP Groundhog Day.
Trump’s trillion dollar tax cut pissed away the money needed to rebuild our highways and railroads. Mexico will pay for these!
I could write pages more, I’m as fed up as JHK, but I’m tired of being a voice of sanity in a shithouse of fools that much of our nation has become.
In the 1930s we sold scrap metal to Japan. We got it back at Pearl Harbor. Then we kicked their ass across half the world.
In the 1990s we built the internet and social media. We got it back in the 2016 election. Now it’s time to kick some more ass.
We’ve overcome everything the world has thrown at us. We will overcome this. I hope. But we need to get it right going forward, by relegating the GOP to the shitcan of history and be done with that bunch of liars and phonies who’ve milked the U. S. Treasury under Hoover, Reagan, G.W.Bush and Trump.
If we keep electing the GOP it will assure a national debt so huge the federal government will default (as Trump advocated in his campaign) and truly crash the world economy. If we don’t stop the GOP, we’re toast.
This may be the dumbest cut and paste I have ever read on this site.
This may be the dumbest cut and paste I have ever read on this site.
Whether a cut & paste or every sentence original – doesn’t matter at all – every line is perceptive, true, and accurate … and you know it. Which is why you have no come-back, no defence … because there isn’t one.
It’s disappointing that James went overboard on the “government is the problem” meme.
There is a lot of merit in being a small-government advocate, and a deficit hawk too … bureaucracies and legislative machinery just grow and grow if you let them – but it’s a very big and very misguided leap over to the extreme GOP position of hating and distrusting everything that comes out of DC.
And when crises do happen – like now – watch all the GOPers and fat cats be first to rush to the trough and pig out! We can’t let all the Porsche dealerships fail!
It is a classic case of binary thinking. Rep/Dem, good/evil, black/white.
Some grow out of it in adulthood, some don’t.
It appears to be too late for you.
Yes, because the Dems have all the answers we need for sure lol. The country is past the point of being a unified single state/culture. That ship sailed a long time ago.
“Our Federal government is the only thing holding this country, and if we lose it then we lose our country.”
Who exactly is “We”?
“We” is more or less completely conditioned around most of the world now by very cheap energy. As all of you know in your hearts no more cheap energy = no more “We”. “They” is another word which might loose all meaning too shortly. Difficult to see how your country, or mine (UK) will be able to recover when “we” don’t have access to these little words.
WEwewewewewewewewewe. Your post has more we’s than a pigsty!
Lol, that is Ewwww and Wewewewe is somewhat close to Ewwwww!
I believe that the worst thing the Fedgov did was push the “Great Society” on us. Now we have a country that is full of lazy takers. I call them “Welfarians”. I’m tired of working to fund the Welfarian’s degenerate lifestyles. I know A LOT of these people close up and personal, to my chagrin, so don’t be telling me that I’m just spewing right wing propaganda.
Too bad you do not have any Dem weapons to stop the GOP with!
Excellent post, MPoV … thanks
Well said POV – can’t disagree with anything at all – the truth laid bare and it sure hurts some on here!
My concern is that the Democratic Party will clutch defeat from the jaws of victory … even with the execrable Trump on the nose everywhere – including with his base for whom he’s delivered exactly nothing – I fear the Dems are not putting their best team on the field for November.
JHK–Even though you signed my copy of The Long Emergency a long 15 years ago, and the timing for all this has been slippery, I never doubted your conclusions. Thanks for your no-bullshit assessment of events all this time. But I wish there had been public officials wise enough to heed the alarm bells.
There were plenty of people ringing alarm bells as long ago as the ’60s when LBJ started the “Great Society” on borrowed money.
The people didn’t want what they were selling. It was too easy to go along and enjoy the “prosperity”. It is useless, and wrong, to just blame this on anyone other than human nature.
It’s an old story.
It won’t appear so to a lot of the MAGAts but the election of a master dunce was truly a harbinger of what is going on.
“Almost like the universe is none too subtly trying to tell us something.”
It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, only how many times they hear [ listen ].
Deuteronomy 28
I heard something loud and clear. I didn’t get it at first but I do now. Better late than never :-).
Could Corona be Kim’s “Christmas Present”
I think that is a big possibility. His little gift to the world comment was just a little too coincidental huh?
It was within a couple of days of each other.
No, AttackStub
China would snuff them if it were the case.
Actually, Jim, I’m glad I DIDN’T watch all those debates. I don’t understand how you can follow these liars, thieves, and murderrers, who masquerade as “servants of the people”. What a joke! But kudos to you for following them and pointing out their irrelevance. You’re one of the few true journalists in this country, who expose the great scam known as US politics.
It takes a strong stomach to listen to those charlatans, knowing that everything they say is a lie.
As refreshing as Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard are, I still have never heard them say the magic words: 1) the US is the #1 state sponsor of terrorism, and 2) all US presidents need to be brought to justice for crimes against humanity. Until these truths reach US politics, US politics will remain irrlevant, and will proceed to its fitting end.
Walter B, where art thou?
It would be interesting to learn of what your small community is up to, considering your council position.
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
I have to say, like Huckleberry Finn, I been there before. We all have.
This is just a crescendo in the creeping authoritarianism we have experienced since 9/11, and probably even before.
Anyone remember this?
“I have stocked up on bottled water, flashlights with batteries and canned goods, and I keep the car filled with gas,” Quinn wrote in her Oct. 3 column. If someone as well connected as Quinn (she’s married to Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee) is getting jumpy, should we start jittering, too?”
https://www.salon.com/2001/10/11/dread/
Quinn is of course Sally Quinn, speaking of the terror alerts that Bush and Cheney put us through. She was all in on that, going as far as to state that we should all carry a mask at all times. I am having trouble locating the actual column where she said such a ridiculous thing.
Notice how our local news stations bill themselves as “KEEPING YOU SAFE” and “The Weather AUTHORITY”.
Believe everything they tell you, even when they get caught removing items from shelves to film ‘shortages’.
The problem here is how many morons will believe, after this latest threat fizzles out, that it is because Bill de Blasio took decisive action and closed all the bars.
We never got a believable reason for the Northeast blackout of 2003. First it was lightning, then it wasn’t, then it was “new programs” which was just silly, and now it’s as if that never happened.
So you believe the virus is a total conspiracy?
Hell no. The virus is a virus.
How does our virus compare to the Italian virus?
I do not know the answer but I talked to my doctor’s office at UCLA and they will NOT be doing the drive through testing and I was told only certain people qualify for the test and that there aren’t any tests!!!!
So Trump saying, “anyone who wants a test can get a test” was complete bullshit.
There’s nothing wrong with any of JHK’s conclusions but I personally do not expect either large cities or giant AgriBiz to go gentle into that good night. Time will tell.
However, the money and power are concentrated in both, as well as in the Tech baron’s hands. Tech megalomaniacs have planned “smart cities” and severe regional bifurcations between urban and rural zones. That group wants to bring mass immigration (planned, larger groups, coordinated by government inline with the needs of business, not Jose and the mules with rented kids) . That would allow for strong borders but still large numbers of agri-labor. Those groups of low wage immigrants would be brought into small, “hurting” (aging) white rural communities (ones that look like where JHK lives, or where I live, or maybe where y’all live) ostensibly to do the shit labor on the still surviving huge AgriBiz mono-farms. Which I assume then would supply the “well-planned”, highly surveilled smart cities. From each, to each according to their needs? And of course we can guess whose needs will take priority.
The only value in a plan like that, as opposed to JHK’s more neo-pioneer thing is that those on power and money stay in power and money. Which is the invisible war, the economic one, where the upper class truly believes they are more deserving and us lower-downs NEED to be managed, for our own good – they will fight hard to retain that position.
I guess what I’m describing (and what is actually out there being seriously discussed but in more flattering term) has been featured many times in numerous Sci Fi plots. Star Trek to The Expanse, and beyond. Always perceived as a roadmap, not a cautionary tale by the morons with money.
JHK always refers to an emergent new world, small local shops and stuff. Could be.
But he never seems (that I am aware of) to consider the likelihood of Black Markets of all types. Cottage industry, off-grid, in garages and what-not. But where you have to “know a guy”.
Keeping old appliances, computers, cars, running and re-sold, scrapping parts, smaller batches of Proctor and Gamble alternatives (as opposed to cutie-pie expensive hipster gift soaps tied with twine in calico bags). SOMETHING is going to have to happen with clothes. Most fabrics/clothes today are pounded with oil-derivative shit. That can’t go on.
Anyway, if the extreme disconnect between haves and have-nots remains and deepens, how can that black market situation not happen. But personally I imagine it as not happily out in the open, not a New Mayberry RFD, as nice as that would be, but more like a Soviet era “dimly-lit” Black Market in still rundown communities. Only because the deciding class of today hates nothing more than they hate losing control, and they will resist what JHK describes, and the politicians whom they have long ago fully bought will do as told.
You are describing the thesis of A World Made by Hand. Skills will be the replacement for wealth.
The real threat is what is going to happen when the city shelves empty out. City folks are entirely dependent on the supply chains for life itself. The new urban dream of the millennials is going to die very quickly if this goes on very long. The cities will empty out trying to survive. If you get in their way, you better have a gun.
“The new urban dream of the millennials is going to die very quickly if this goes on very long. ”
My urban reality was created by the Georgians, then the Victorians, so nothing particularly ‘new’. But you are right that we depend on supply chains. As I said before that’s not a sign of individual moral degeneracy, just a fact of life that we can’t all live on the land until an awful lot of us die off.
I decided to do an online order today for a delivery from Sainsbury’s, thinking to stock up on e.g. bread flour and other things too heavy to carry (I don’t share the TP obsession, although I have a bit more than normal in reserve).
Turns out a bunch of those people who have actual cars have decided to have their shopping delivered instead of using them, so there wasn’t a delivery slot to be had. Thanks again, car people. 🙂
And I mean not a delivery slot to be had ALL WEEK.
You gotta get the chrome plated Big Ram hood ornament, which says “Get the hell out of the way, I’m coming thru.”
GA, I fear you may get more lessons in ‘survival of the fittest’ as the young, the bold, the car people grab the available resources without a thought for your needs. Perhaps you can network with neighbors, relatives, especially younger people to care for each other, pool available information and resources.
I’m not too worried at this stage, hm. I’m slightly older than you but not ‘old old’! I can easily get to supermarkets by bus and get the stuff back in a taxi, but one person delivering it to you feels as it it involves marginally less potential virus exposure than risking the bus or a taxi. 🙂
Having said that my husband goes to work by bus, so even if I don’t use the bus, I’m going to get whatever virus he attracts either getting to work or seeing patients. He’s off work this month to use up annual leave but come April, we’re going to be pretty exposed. He’s going to be our virus gateway. At that point I’ll probably stop worrying, like the people who live right under the dam!
The corner shops still have plenty of food, even if they’ve run out of a few things like dried pasta. But we’re not looking at empty shelves. Yet.
Annoyingly, I noticed someone put a message on Nextdoor saying that if anyone was having trouble getting supplies in the supermarkets our local [insert name of local chain of small deli/groceries] still had plenty of everything. And I thought, seriously, why can’t people keep it zipped? Now we’ll have the supermarket emptiers raiding our civilised little corner shops!
Somebody did say ‘shhh’, but it was a bit late.
GA, there are products out there which boost the immune system to improve one’s odds of resisting the virus. Also some people recommend vitamin C, vitamin D, and chaga mushroom extract. But I’m sure your husband knows more about all that.
I’ve got the Vitamin D anyway, hm!
Car people?
GA if you bought that 4WD Dodge Power Wagon (8 cylinder, 410 bhp) like I suggested you could haul groceries for half of Edinburgh.
I like the thought of you behind the wheel of that cherry red dual mufflered beast, 20 inch wheels, lifted, Scottish flag tatted to your left shoulder, “live free or die” tattooed on the right shoulder, gun rack holding WW2 Lee Enfield at the back window, hauling ass out of Edinburgh with your husband and your little terrier dog, headed for the Highlands just ahead of the infected hordes, bugging out, like in some real life version of ’28 hours’. Drop the hammer on that puppy, throw into overdrive, and you’ll blow all those weenie European metro sh#tboxes clogging up the escape routes right off the road. Hell, you’ll be able to roll right over them, crushing them as you go, like at some white trash monster truck rally in Hope, Arkansas.
Brh
Thank you, brh. I’ve copied that all down to remind me of my options. 🙂
Make sure you write down about the hood ornament too. Big chrome Plated ram, weighs about 25 lbs.
You can get a replacement hood ornament. A flying pig.
https://www.amazon.com/CPW-Chrome-Flying-Emblem-Ornament/dp/B01MRWS738/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/145-0220839-5818343?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01MRWS738&pd_rd_r=771b924c-1c45-4ed8-9673-6e91f73fded5&pd_rd_w=d0Lpb&pd_rd_wg=5gHNE&pf_rd_p=7cd8f929-4345-4bf2-a554-7d7588b3dd5f&pf_rd_r=DRWJ7ZP4MMK3VCST12MC&psc=1&refRID=DRWJ7ZP4MMK3VCST12MC
I like it. Thanks K-Dog. GA, take note.
I like the pig. 🙂
The real threat is what is going to happen when the city shelves empty out. City folks are entirely dependent on the supply chains for life itself.
Do we have any evidence so far that city stores are going to empty out? Are all the trucks going to stop running? Why would they – is the supply of diesel and gasolene going to dry up? Are all the abattoirs going to stop providing meet? Are all the farms going to stop producing vegetables, and dairy?
Being a prepared person is good … but scary scenarios don’t serve much purpose.
The supermarkets here keep saying they have plenty of supplies and are doing their best to keep everything turning over, but would people please stop panic buying because it’s making everything worse.
Sadly, most people aren’t listening.
Foodbanks are finding it a nightmare.
On the news last night we saw Americans queuing to buy…guns.
I had a vision of some guy’s head peeping over the edge of a dugout full of endless rolls of toilet paper that would be protected with the occupant’s life.
Chris Martenson in his most recent coronavirus video wrapped it up by saying “It didn’t have to be this way”. The comment I left in response to that was, “What freaking country do you think you’re talking about???”
“It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.” Ron Paul
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/03/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/#more-214433
That is such a shit-poor comparison you ought to be ashamed to admit you considered it important enough to post.
The IRONY is going to be that if following the advice of everyone who Trump opposes actually does some good at mitigating the disaster yet to arrive in full bloom, afterwards the fat bastard will be marching about claiming the credit.
No wait a minute, he is such a generous minded fat bastard, he’ll bestow all the credit on Pence.
In a similar vein:
Trump is Hitler!
We must abandon the second amendment and give our guns to Hitler!
“It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.” Ron Paul
Ron Paul is an A-Grade dill. He read Ayn Rand in his dorm room at age 19, and he hasn’t moved on one neurone since then.
Not many gold bugs here it seems. Has anyone commented on what JHK said about AU?
It’s always seemed strange to me that when the SHTF gold is supposed to soar.
Obviously too soon to make a definitive call about all that but how many are inclined to rush off to buy the stuff when TP has become more precious?
Buying gold is more of a hobby for the rich, those who expect to emerge from the other side of an apocalypse.
Well, I think that what’s happening right now is deflationary compression “all over the place” on account of all things financial being so hyper-inflated.
Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants and debt is the money of slaves.
I’d like to consider myself a gentleman.
Me too RIP but silver is sinking fast.
It’s always seemed strange to me that when the SHTF gold is supposed to soar.
We’re finding our superannuation (similar to a US retirement pension) is holding up pretty well – no precious metals in the mix, but a pretty diverse set of asset classes (equities, property, cash, and fixed interest).
We’re not totally au fait about what goes on inside the investment mix, but obviously as equities tank, then other assets must get some sort of boost. Anyway – we’re not out on the street, and nor are we digging up the back lawn to grow spuds. Yet.
“all US presidents need to be brought to justice for crimes against humanity.” –patrickd
US presidents by themselves cannot commit crimes against humanity. They are powerless to do so. They can be arrested and imprisoned the moment they try.
Those who commit the crimes are those who voluntarily sign up to become part of the armed forces and carry out the murders ordered by the presidents. Every single person who has ever joined the US armed forces is responsible for US crimes against humanity.
Wars will only stop when we, the little people, stop participating in the armed “services”, when we stop volunteering our bodies in the “service” of crimes against humanity, when we stop becoming mercenaries who carry out the will of presidents, when we stop accepting lifelong “veterans benefits” for our participation in crimes, when we stop saying “thank you for your service”, when we stop rewarding criminal behavior.
335,000 civilians have died violent deaths as a direct result of the US “war on terror.” That is blood on our hands.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2019/Direct%20War%20Deaths%20COW%20Estimate%20November%2013%202019%20FINAL.pdf
Weren’t you a marine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Listen to the most decorated Marine:
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
You still flaunting that old Smedley Butker trope, Little Jane? Give it up for God’s sake.
Smedley Butler,Brother
Semper Fi, brother!
That was a typo Attack Sub. I got a little tablet here.
US presidents by themselves cannot commit crimes against humanity. They are powerless to do so. They can be arrested and imprisoned the moment they try.
Are you sure about this one?
This is such a (mostly) fine post, Jim. Thank you! A harsh reality, but you tell it like it is and people need to here and heed these words.
But I really do wish we could do without this:
“The foolish, idiotic identity politics ginned up by the Left and their racially-inflamed, sexually-disturbed scribes in the Thinking Class have successfully destroyed the last shred of an American common culture that held the country together through earlier vicissitudes. So, one concludes that we’ll be left stewing in poisonous tensions, and perhaps some violent conflicts, before those matters head toward some sort of resolution.”
The Left AND the Right, and even the Moderate Middle- we have all done our part to contribute to this clusterfuck. Why rant about one side? Do you really mean to imply that the Right has no hand in creating this havoc?
I guess the only good thing here is that soon there will be no Left and Right. But there will be those who suffer and die and those who survive. The more people learn to work together, the more will survive. Creating division will not do much to help people survive.
We’re already working hard here in our little Sierra foothills community to help each other survive. I hope some of you are doing that where ever you are.
The most relevant question will be: will the living envy the dead in the immediate aftermath?
Oh god, I’ve asked that question as well. Hard to think about!
The Left AND the Right, and even the Moderate Middle- we have all done our part to contribute to this clusterfuck. Why rant about one side? Do you really mean to imply that the Right has no hand in creating this havoc?
Thank you – I said something very similar upthread … targetting the “left” for these ills is just nonsense – the “right” was far more culpable.
Where abouts are you located in the Sierras – around Shasta, or further south?
Everything in Ct has been shut down, bars, restaurants schools, movie theaters, colleges, everything. Welcome to Doomsday.
Just about a week ago on a tech site I read an article about a self driving flying car powered by ‘renewables’, that was right around the corner. I wonder if we will ever see it. Funding for such a frivolous and unnecessary project might be hard to come by considering current circumstances.
On a brighter there’s this young family nearby who walked around the neighborhood yesterday passing out a flyer that stated if anybody needed any help with we could call on them. He is a song and advertising writer who has written jingles you would recognize. They come from Manhattan, and the odd thing is we were kind of worried about them and wife wife suggest we walk over and see how they were doing. At least for now, right around here, people are stepping up to help one another.
Brh
Blood in the streets in the town of New Haven
Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of Venice
Blood in my love in the terrible summer
Bloody red sun of Phantastic L.A.
Blood screams the pain as they chop off her fingers
Blood will be born in the birth of a nation
Blood is the rose of mysterious union
There’s blood in the streets, it’s up to my ankles
Blood in the streets, it’s up to my knee
Blood in the streets in the town of Chicago
Blood on the rise, it’s following me
That’s a little over the top don’t you think LB?
Settle down BRH, he could have just cut to the chase with these words:
This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I’ll never look into your eyes again
Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
They come from Manhattan, and the odd thing is we were kind of worried about them and wife wife suggest we walk over and see how they were doing. At least for now, right around here, people are stepping up to help one another.
I think a lot of people will do that, when push comes to shove. Although a jingle-writer might not necessarily be what you need when there’s no food on the table.
But yes – the vast majority will be good – there is no need for ARs at 30 paces in the WalMart carpark … despite ridiculous doomer-porn talk on here and elsewhere.
I’ve read about a few cases where people initially infected by the coronavirus, tested positive, suffered through it then ultimately recovered, testing negative. After some time the same people caught it again!!!
The question being is this thing something that is going to keep coming around, wave after wave, wiping out a significant percentage of the population and cratering the economy each time until nothing’s left?
Just a thought…
Probably fake news, this thing is nothing. We’ve been assured of this by fat bastard’s numero uno advisor, Sean Hannity.
Smells like Asoka here. Oh, the stench…
Good question, goat. Here’s a good article that talks about that. Looks like we won’t know for sure until more is learned about the virus : https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/#6180ea865c0f
I’ve read about a few cases where people initially infected by the coronavirus, tested positive, suffered through it then ultimately recovered, testing negative. After some time the same people caught it again!!!
Do you have an authoritative source for this?
There is still a lot we don’t know about whether one infection provides immunity, and if so, how much and how effectively, and for how long.
But unsupported statements are not useful.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-13/china-japan-korea-coronavirus-reinfection-test-positive
What is the logic that if the FED makes the near hysterical move of dropping interest rates to zero, the confidence of the market will be raised.
Asking it another way. If you are worried about stepping inside a building you’ve heard a lot of people say is toxic inside and hazardous to your health, then you suddenly see people crashing through the upper story windows and falling to earth, would that suggest to you it is now safe to go inside the building?
What, because all the broken windows allowed in more fresh air or what?
Was lowering rates precipitously something fat bastard thought up or what?
Same logic as it always is: animal spirits.
The Fed’s out of options, other than truly MASSIVE money printing in a pitiful attempt to rehypothecate the whole toxic mess. After that, comes the only true solution to our dilemma and the one whose name must never be spoken: massive debt deflation to reset this plus the previous toxic mess that Obama failed to deal with in 2008. Sometime after which, on the plus side, everything will be dirt cheap again. On the negative side, all the money you have now to buy things with will be gone and the global economy will be at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. A global reset without the dollar would be a distinct possibility.
Fat Bastard is way over his head on this one. None of his court wizards have a remote clue either.
“Fat Bastard is way over his head on this one. None of his court wizards have a remote clue either.”
…,
Might I suggest that we are ALL over our heads on this one, and no one here has a remote clue? History does not give us cookie-cutter examples of how to address a pandemic in an over-populated world of the 21st Century.
Don’t bother pointing fingers.
The pandemic is just the match that will ignite the economic fire. The fuel is the “mismanaged” economy itself. I add the quotes, because I seriously doubt it’s been mismanaged at all. This was always the end game, given that the underlying scheme is pure Ponzi.
I’ll point a finger – at the 115% debt to GDP ratio of the USA.
Sure – it’s all good and ‘deficits don’t matter’ while the USD remains the default global reserve currency with oil & other commodities are traded in USD.
When that hegemony has been even vaguely threatened, the usual response has been a ‘shock & awe’ display of bully-muscle.
Next time around, the US Government (your ‘deep state’/oligarch cabal) may have some difficulty achieving its objective – and it’ll probably be a final ‘shooting of the wad’.
Actually the illusion of the Maestro at the Fed conducting the economy is just that- an illusion. The interest rate is the inflation rate. It’s really that simple. If it wasn’t speculators could exploit the difference through arbitrage. I’m not sure the mechanics, but I know it’s done. Oil is the most important commodity in the world by far. When the price collapsed, inflation went to zero or possibly negative. The Fed had to follow. There was no choice. You can backtest this if you don’t believe it.
The point is that the Fed is not conducting the economy and no longer has the capability to do so through interest rates. Rehypothecation of “distressed assets” (what a concept!) is the only bullet left in the chamber. The simple term for that is bailout. Although, even that won’t stimulate demand, it will just keep things from collapsing right now. Fed discount window interest rates are almost entirely irrelevant (other than allow banks cheap access to speculate with), as you can’t make businesses invest no matter how cheap you make the terms on money. In any case, actual inflation rates are not uniform. For cheap shit you don’t actually need coming from China, they’re probably negative. For health care, drugs, home prices, education, and appreciating asset classes they’re exorbitantly high. There is no such thing as “the inflation rate.”
“Actually the illusion of the Maestro at the Fed conducting the economy is just that- an illusion”
L. Frank Baum knew it, too, and laid it all out 120 years ago.
Wizard of Oz reference here. Nice!
Perhaps all the commercial and retail properties that are suddenly to become vacant can be converted to housing, especially affordable housing, strip mall stores avg 1,200 sq ft and have the necessary utilities including bathrooms.
The United States has plenty of housing. What needs to happen is we need to ban housing being used as an investment vehicles. You live in your house. That is it.
1. Taking out a line of credit against your house should be illegal.
2. Mortgages should be boring. (No side betting on them.)
The United States has plenty of housing. What needs to happen is we need to ban housing being used as an investment vehicles. You live in your house. That is it.
Yeah but … in a different place at a different time, we turned our equity in our (lived-in) houses into the leverage we required for a further six investment properties – the sale of which over a later decade has allowed our early and well-funded retirement.
Different strategies for different times, comrade.
We need to rethink our retirement plans. Maybe parents should actually form relationships with their children so their family wants to help take care of them.
Maybe houses should be designed to last hold three generations? This gets into the stupidity of modern architecture. I understand not all of us are blessed to have family but what does it say about our society if people without family are in the majority?
Watch Mr. Kunstler’s ted talk on cartoon houses with porches too small to be useful, broadcasting the “We’re normal” tv show to the community.
Cargill, you’re the reason some millennial will one day trip me up and laugh as I try to get on the bus. I won’t forget. 🙂
So, if you CAN’T afford a house/home, you live in the bushes? In the culvert? That’d be the outcome of a world without a rental market.
Majella Yes I am very much against rentals. There instances where people should rent. (Not going to live somewhere for more than a few years, etc.) Such housing should be regulated. If some rich-boomer-jerk-off buys six houses and then charges the next generation of Xers and millennials through the nose to rent them out, he is not doing society any favors. Oh I should also point out the said Boomers expenses on these second homes he owns can be written off as tax write offs. All this then goes to fund his booming asses retirement. Rental housing one reason I very much dislike the boomer generation.
Here is another big problem I have with rental property. You can build a good size house for 20-40K. (Assuming you build it yourself.) So if that house garners 1K in rent per month, in a few years that house has paid for itself.
(Building a house isn’t rocket science no matter what the regulations say. I’ve built several tiny houses on trailers because my millennial friends cannot afford to build real ones. Use 2×6 construction or better, 16″ on center studs or better, galvanized nails/screws on everything, PT wherever you can, and you’re probably up to code in most places of the country.)
Going back to rentals…. Rentals artificially drive the price of real-estate up, it impoverishes poor people by them pay hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime in rent for an asset that could be built for a modest fraction of that cost.
Building a house requires one thing: savings. That is something most Americans cannot do because they are paying asinine amounts for rent. Why do you think there is a tiny-house/van movement happening on the west coast. Tiny houses on trailers seem to be scaled to about the same size as “Little House in the Big Woods” so that seems to be about the sustainable building size.
I watched the debate last night and they both looked old and tired and probably welcome the cancellation of rallies so they can go home and give interviews and call it done. And what was apparent to me also was their friendship — neither really wanted to attack the other. Bernie has got to know it’s over for him now and he put up a good fight to make health care a right.
Our lack of common sense handling this pandemic is nowhere more obvious than the mess at the airports this weekend. If you didn’t have coronavirus when you got off the plane your chances increased exponentially crammed in with other people for hours as you filled out forms. Since its already in the country, moving people thru as quickly as possible and giving them instructions at passport control would have been better. All anyone can do anyhow is self-isolate unless your symptoms become severe.
One thing’s for certain, though–it’s an opportunity for all of us to figure out what’s a luxury and what’s a necessity and stop the wastefulness in our lives. There just won’t be as much money.
Perhaps Sanders finally woke up and realized that being elected president was just about the last thing in the world he should be wanting to do at this point. I have no doubt whatsoever now that had he got elected and tried to impose wide spread socialism in the wake of the coming economic collapse he would have been dealt with summarily. Whatever anyone thinks of his policy prescriptions, they’re simply not going to happen in this country at this time absent a well coordinated and heavily armed takeover, and Sanders certainly wasn’t proposing or leading anything like that.
Biden was congenitally lyin’ as always last night, so him and Trump should at least make for some very lively debates. Hip waders highly recommended!
A lot of peeps on social media suspect that Biden was pumped full of amphetamines for the debate. I really do feel sorry for that poor old guy, despite the fact that he almost certainly has had his hand in the proverbial cookie-jar, just like most long-time elected officials. The entire Democratic National Committee should be in jail for elder abuse, IMHO.
VP
Did you notice Biden’s face had a waxy look about it, like perhaps he has already passed on, has been embalmed, but is re animated strictly for campaign appearances?
The dental implants, the hair plugs, numerous facelifts … it all fits.
Brh
Isn’t that what Hitler’s Dr. Feelgood did to him to keep him going when it was obvious that the war was lost for the Germans?
Oh it’s a fascinating story, Rainmaker.
If you want to know more you can read David Irving’s biography of Hitler’s doctor. Free .pdf download on his website.
Some of the enemies of the doctor (everybody was at odds with everybody else at the top – Goebbels hated Goering and they all loathed Himmler) even accused him of trying to poison Der Furrier, but he never had the balls for that. He was feeding the hypochondriac-but-ill Hitler the usual voodoo-mix of goat glands, vitamins and other such crap spiked of course with A*M*P*H*E*T*A*M*I*N*E*S, the “active ingredient” .
At one point cocaine may also have been prescribed. This for me is the only logical explanation for the overly-ambitious invasion on the Eastern Front – classical coke-head recklessness.
BB,
Consider that the USAF, up to recent times, provided amphetamines to pilots and aircrew.
It’s that “mission oriented” thang….
What will happen is more people will qualify for Medicaid so those numbers will balloon and if states like California, Washington, Oregon not only give sanctuary to illegals but also free medical care, their economies will collapse. What Bernie doesn’t want to face is that its too late to salvage the system. The cost, corruption, incompetence and indifference will be magnified by this virus.
Trump talks about getting more respirators like they’re something he can order on Amazon. Can he order people who know how to run them too? Not quite as easy. The debates between Don & Joe will be something to see since they’re both out of touch with reality and have no problem whatsoever distorting the facts.
Not to hard to ramp up production for companies that already produce them.
Nothing wrong with signaling an increased market for these devices and they are not that complicated to plug in and turn on.
The hardest part of it is inserting the tube.
Not sure why you are taking such a jaundiced view on the President asking companies to make them and sell them it is the essence of free market economies.
Supply and demand!
Vent patients, especially in the acute setting, require close attention. O2 level, rates, pressures must be tuned and titrated to patient response, which changes real fast. Tubes require maintenance as well, suctioning and flushing and reconfirming placement. Someone has to apply a stethoscope and listen, carefully, repeatedly.
Additionally, all of these patients will have multiple drips running. These too must be titrated to the pt. Blood pressure, pH, blood gasses are all affected by meds and by vent settings.
And all of this is done by staff who must wear cumbersome protective gear while performing exacting procedures under immense pressure.
None of this is plug and play. Every ER and ICU I’ve seen is a madhouse during a good flu.
BTW, lots of vents are in use by people who will never get well. There are in every city warehouses of the vegetating ventilated damned. Brain dead, sometimes fore a real long time. Triage will be brutal on all parties.
All you said is true but it can be done was my point.
It might be time for a really smart engineer to uncomplicate the noble ventilation machine.
I watched them wheel one in for both my father and mother in law six months apart.
I am very familiar with the process and setup.
The back end monitoring is now all computer controlled as is the monitoring in a modern Hospital.
“There are in every city warehouses of the vegetating ventilated damned. ”
That’s grotesque even in a normal non-emergency scenario. I’ve got a living will to ensure I won’t be left vegetating OR wasting massively expensive medical resources. It’s easy to arrange and you get a card to carry like the organ donor one.
What does the card say? “If I poop my drawers, just shoot me!”
Nah, I’ve actually lost mine but it just gives contact details for your next of kin and your family doctor. You are supposed to give a copy of the Will to your family doctor too. Your next of kin would also be presumed to know your wishes anyway, but it makes things clear. My husband would rather jump under a bus than end up in a care home of the type where he regularly visits patients (even the nicest ones that will eat up your children’s inheritance before Sunday lunch). He’s seen too much of it.
And it doesn’t give them the right to positively hasten your demise, it just withdraws their right to give you futile treatment without your permission, e.g. a flu jab when you’re 96 and so demented you’re unaware of your own existence. Or unnecessary resuscitation should your heart mercifully stop ticking.
Hubby has instructed me just to give him the morphine and the San Miguel. 🙂
the morphine and the San Miguel. – GA
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‘The San Miguel’ is probably another clever bit of Brit slang but please explain.
Sorry, Q, thought it was available everywhere. 🙂
https://images.assetsdelivery.com/compings_v2/monticello/monticello1911/monticello191100185.jpg
Hubby’s normal tipple.
GA:
“That’s grotesque even in a normal non-emergency scenario. I’ve got a living will to ensure I won’t be left vegetating OR wasting massively expensive medical resources. It’s easy to arrange and you get a card to carry like the organ donor one.”
I have “Do Not Resusitate!” tattooed between my collarbones.
erk…Resuscitate…the tattoo doesn’t have the typo…
Majella
Haha… that’s asking quite a lot of a tattooist, just the same!
There’s a spelling mistake on my dad’s headstone that my mother was too courteous (or embarrassed or something…) to point out to the guy who engraved it, once she noticed it. It’s still there 40 years later, with her own entry now underneath it. Since it’s 70 miles from here, I’m not going to worry about it either.
There’s a spelling mistake on my dad’s headstone – GA
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Thank you for providing me with another opportunity to segue to yet another of my personal anecdotes.
On Monday past (March 16) the ball and chain (wife) and I took a ride to a cemetery in Toms River, NJ where her parents (my in-laws) are buried under a common headstone. The occasion was my father-in-laws 99th birthday (unfortunately he passed at age 75). My mother-in-law hung on another 18 years and passed in 2014, 2 days short of her 92nd B-day. She had lost most of her marbles and moved in with us in 2006. Her name was Sonja.
When she died I got in touch with the headstone people to have them add her particulars (name, year of birth and death) next to her husband’s. We saw the completed headstone for the first time on the day the urn containing her ashes was interred.
I was appalled!! Every letter on the headstone, both his and her’s, was upper case EXCEPT one. The letter j in Sonja was lower case (had a dot over it). When I got home I immediately wrote a nasty-gram asking what “possessed” the engraver to switch to lower case for one freaking letter. I told them that I could picture a day two centuries hence that some pedant like me would spot this flaw and point it out to his wife (“Hey Sally, commeer and look at this headstone”). But the deed is done and now it must stand for all time.
My wife’s eyes rolled back in her head and she said “let it go Q, just let it go.”
It never ceases to amaze me when people make statements like this:
“Trump talks about getting more respirators like they’re something he can order on Amazon. Can he order people who know how to run them too? Not quite as easy. The debates between Don & Joe will be something to see since they’re both out of touch with reality and have no problem whatsoever distorting the facts.”
You actually appear to believe Trump does not discuss issues like this with the medical personnel he has standing right the feck behind him on the stage (including the fecking US Surgeon General) oh which he is standing to give the fecking speech.
Listen to yourself and get a grip.
FFS.
I’m sure he does get a lot of advice from the Surgeon General and maybe producing respirators is easier than I thought. But having experienced staff — nurses, respiratory therapists, internists — is far more difficult to produce on the spur of the moment. There’s a reason they’re freaked out about ICU beds b/c you can have plenty of equipment but not enough people with experience to to do the job adequately. That’s what flattening the curve is about, not overwhelming the hospitals.
You actually appear to believe Trump does not discuss issues like this with the medical personnel he has standing right the feck behind him on the stage (including the fecking US Surgeon General) oh which he is standing to give the fecking speech.
I expect SW was focused on the lies that pour from Trump’s mouth every day, than on the substance.
Presumably he is offered advice – the degree to which he concentrates, takes it in, and uses it, is another matter altogether. Lots of credible reporters have exposed the White House as a rats-nest of incompetence, chaos, and toxic turf wars, all swirling around the emperor without clothes.
Anyway – even if Trump gets good advice (“We pay $150,000 a piece sir, your donor friend Arnie Bloodwater from Shit Creek Alabama will clear about $50,000 each. Getting the machines that go “bing” is not a BFD, but there are no staff to run them.”
“Who cares? Put it in my speech – we’ll sell people on the hardware … the states can take all the flak for not having any staff.”
It was a stupid post, and was exposed for being stupid.
Follow-up is well-reasoned enough to be fair tho.
He has far to fall before he lands in the low-IQ zone.
Rearranging how we will live in the future, so well addressed in The Long Emergency, worked its way into many of my conversations with young people over the years. It was encouraging to hear how many people recognize the fragility of our systems. They have considered the ramifications living with of less of everything, and many welcome the idea of a less frenetic pace.
James Kuehl,
This is some sage advice. “They have considered the ramifications living with of less of everything, and many welcome the idea of a less frenetic pace.”
I don’t believe this reality will sink in for Millennials until their parent’s debt based life style comes back to bite them in the ass in the form of bankruptcy and homelessness. You do not own your house if you took out a line of credit against it. Many Gen-xers and baby boomers pretend they are well of when in fact they are not.
The late George Carlin had a very insightful rant entitled The Arrogance of Mankind. Worth a view on YouTube. Humans have been around only a couple hundred thousand years vs. planet Earth’s billions and billions. No contest. The good Earth will shake off the human race just like millions of other species. All in good time. Viruses are just one part of the planet’s vast system of weaponry, against which Humans don’t stand a chance. Mutations will eventually clean house for good.
Carlin, as usual, breaking it down so even drunken numbskulls get half-a-clue!
and here’s the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjRGee5ipM
EvelynV observed, “Obviously too soon to make a definitive call about all that [ precious metals ] but how many are inclined to rush off to buy the stuff when TP has become more precious?”
The PMs are being smashed down so the banksters can snatch up as much as possible before the rest of us figure it out – we’ve been robbed [ but we got TP ].
I like my women like I like my COVID
19 and easily spread
What?
It goes like this:
I like my women like I like my COVID
19 (blank)and easily spread
I have no idea what goes in the blank.
Nothing goes in the blank. He just wants to say open sesame. It is a delusional wish which shows an understanding of women as flawed as as Trump’s understanding of Covid 19.
Open sez me –> no sex she
Attack Sub, could I have your permission to use that line? Its good.
-brh
Certainment, mon ami
EvelynV claims, “That is such a shit-poor comparison you ought to be ashamed to admit you considered it important enough to post.”
I am neither ‘us or them’. Do you not realize that RP is criticizing Trump? Do you not realize two-party horse puckey no longer matters? They are all the same.
“Do you not realize two-party horse puckey no longer matters?” –MD
So, if Ron Paul switched parties and became a Democrat, it would make no difference to you?
It actually would in my case I would consider voting for a Democrat for the first time in thirty years.
Things have changed. Dow in free fall.
DJIA … 20,188.35
-2,997.27
-12.93%
Omega Man….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6q_fLr7hCZE
Well, there’s an advantage to this semi, half ass quarantine we find ourselves under: Peter Bogdonavich’s 1968 classic film ”Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women’, starring Mamie Van Doren, is running on the Comet Channel.
The general plot is in the year 1998 (movie was made in 1968) a spacecraft crewed by a bunch of stalwart astronauts make a voyage to Venus, which turns out to be inhabited by a bevy of hot young prehistoric babes. You can imagine the drama that ensue. File this movie under the category “so bad its good”.
Brh
I’ve somehow managed to screw my hours around so that 2:30 is my normal rising time. (I workout in the mornings) Lots of interesting stuff on at that time of the morning to wake up to, to say the least. The Epix Channels (I think there’s three) are chock full of them. The 1976 drive in flick Pom Pom Girls was on recently and was surprisingly good for a low budget throw away flick. Sort of a Dazed and Confused prequel, albeit shot in the actual year of 1976, instead of documenting it retrospectively from 15 years in the future. No irritating Mathew McConaughey either, always a plus. Twelve Monkeys was quite appropriately on Showtime this weekend. I’m going to watch it on demand so I can watch the whole thing without interruption, something I’ve never manged to do yet.
Caught parts of this timeless classic on Epix recently too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plUXguATsTQ
12 Monkeys, interesting that Brad Pitt is in it, but just in a supporting role.
That film is apropos right now.
I already mentioned the 1951 film noir classic ‘Panic in the Streets’, with Richard Widmark.
The first ‘Night of the Living Dead’ starring Gene Barry I think, fits too.
Brh
I’ve always thought that Pitt’s best roles were as a supporting actor. If you haven’t seen him in Snatch, you definitely need to. He’s priceless!
Holy Sh@t
Mamie Van Doren, star of such fifties classics as ‘Sex Kittens go to College’, ‘Vice Raid’, and ‘The Beat Generation’ is 89 years old. Some people say she was Marilyn Monroe without the intellectual acumen. I say she was more than that.
Brh
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump has tested negative for empathy, the White House doctor confirmed on Monday.
In an official statement, Dr. Sean Conley said that Trump submitted to the empathy test even though, in the physician’s opinion, “it was not really necessary.”
“I expected him to test negative,” Conley said. “Empathy-wise, he has been entirely asymptomatic.”
Half assed quarantine indeed, Brother BRH. In my little Rhode Island the school where the young girl who got the CV from the Utah Jazz player is shut down for two weeks. All the students and staff are supposed to self-isolate for that time frame. However family members of the students and staff have free reign to go -to-and-fro. Am I missing something here?
wwwcpa the only reason RP ran as a Republican is because an incredible number of americans did not know what a libertarian was. Dont you remember how it IS?
This morning I went to my local Wal-Mart here in central Illinois. I think I saw a people in transition; not yet hysterical but aware something very bad was happening. Food riots soon would not surprise me.
Days earlier there had been some bare shelf space here and there. Now the toilet paper, paper towels, kleenex were all gone. Milk 80% gone, mostly skim and 1% left. The only eggs left were a few cartons of small brown free range chicken eggs selling at 4 times the price of normal eggs. Cold medicines 90% gone. Bottled water all gone, some soda left. Meats and canned goods were about half gone. Noticeable empty space in the freezers. Only fresh produce mostly in good supply.
I heard people complaining about not finding baby formula or diapers anywhere in town. (My mother in 1955 washed diapers by hand. This no doubt motivated her to implement an early and strict Germanic regimen of toilet training which has left me psychologically scarred to this day. But I digress.)
Welcome to dystopia world. Come for the epidemic; stay for the financial breakdown. When the banks can no longer finance trade, and the trucks stop rolling, and no one restocks the shelves, will be disappear like Ozymandias with the sands of time, – unwiped and unmourned?
Tell us more about this regimen and these scars. Remember, the cracks are what let the light in.
All i remember is the rolled up newspaper. By four months I was potty trained and wiping my own ass. Effective but brutal.
“My mother in 1955 washed diapers by hand. This no doubt motivated her to implement an early and strict Germanic regimen of toilet training which has left me psychologically scarred to this day. But I digress”
That made me laugh, hm, thank you.
By the time my younger brother was born in 1958 (the ‘surprise’ baby that turns up unexpectedly when you’re 40) my mother had acquired a little cylindrical Baby Burco contraption for boiling nappies.
Even when my first was born in 1981 we didn’t have a washing machine – just a bizarre plastic thing (brought from France) like a small tub with a motor on it that sat in the sink or bath and whizzed your clothes round in one direction so they came out in one huge, unfathomable knot. Oh, the joys… Then you had to rinse them by hand and squeeze them out, until we acquired the little cylindrical centrifuge thingy as well.
The ‘washing machine’ was a bit like this one:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nBV1gxzm7U0/maxresdefault.jpg
For nappies, you had to soak them first in nappy solution to kill the bugs and the discolouration. Two buckets with lids I had. My mother bought me 30 square terry nappies, which did both kids – and when my kids were teenagers she still had some that she’d asked for for cleaning cloths. Although you could have shot peas through some of them by that time.
Disposable nappies are an environmental nightmare. I did use them for holidays, though and if someone else was looking after the kids.
BTW, I recall that even in the 80s, the French were bizarrely obsessed with early toilet training as well!
Good post from JHK, but he’s finding it hard to keep a tone of “I told you so” out of his writing – and realistically it has taken a massive black-swan event to trigger the emergency (the length of which is yet to play out).
And I also fervently hope that the corporations and political class learn at least something – and don’t immediately try to go back to “normal” as soon as the dust settles … I’m sure many will try to do so since there is a lot of wealth at stake. But maybe circumstances will mean that it’s not possible to go back.
However I take strong exception to this:
The foolish, idiotic identity politics ginned up by the Left and their racially-inflamed, sexually-disturbed scribes in the Thinking Class have successfully destroyed the last shred of an American common culture that held the country together through earlier vicissitudes. So, one concludes that we’ll be left stewing in poisonous tensions, and perhaps some violent conflicts, before those matters head toward some sort of resolution.
This is ahistorical nonsense, and the coronavirus crisis should not be used to beat minorities over the head yet again. Check your privilege James, and everyone else.
And the Left didn’t start it – intolerance of others, fuelled by religious bigotry and the Tea Party all came from the Right … the “left” was forced into trying to defend the weak and vulnerable – just like unions a century prior gave power to powerless workers.
So in this time of coronavirus crisis, perhaps leave the ideological battles aside … there are much bigger issues of community and economical survival to discuss – and most of James’s post does address those sensibly.
And I agree that the Dem Debates were pretty farcical in hindsight. But to be fair, just about every conversation and every planning meeting and every investment decision of the past 60 days (or 60 years?) looks pretty ridiculous in retrospect.
There are a lot of sexually-disturbed people in America. I find them disturbing.
Which they find disturbing.
What minorities are you talking about? Identity is identity, whether it’s majority or minority.
And you’re both wrong. And it don’t matter who started it, it was bound to become entrenched once the narcissists began their drumbeat of victim politics, are you listening, ladies?
But I agree that the c-virus is the most important issue of today. Personal distancing will give everyone a chance to reflect on their own personal role in this, hopefully.
A nation is a particularity. One People with One Culture who attain unity and dominance in a given area. A Singularity! And Cult is the root of Culture needless to say – just as much as Race or Ethnicity is.The Mother and Father of Nations….
You want to undo such miracles and thus you are an agent of Entropy and Chaos. Whatever remains – if anything – after you and yours have your way, will be a very low common denominator indeed.
A nation is a particularity. One People with One Culture who attain unity and dominance in a given area. A Singularity! And Cult is the root of Culture needless to say – just as much as Race or Ethnicity is.The Mother and Father of Nations….
Seeing everything through the prism or “race” and “ethnicity” can be so limiting. If you dream of a white nativist christian nation, I’d be very careful what I wished for. I can hardly think of anything more dull, boring, and uninspiring. And being white supremacist is simply not acceptable – the equality of people is sacrosanct.
Are you like those people who buys their M&Ms in just one colour?
I thought I’d check the market. I’m sitting alone and typed in Market Watch and googled. When I got to the market indicators I said:
fuck
Dead Cat Bounce tomorrow?
My guess is yes. But that cat wants to be put to rest and end it’s suffering. If the Dow goes under 20,000, maybe Jim will finally be right: 4,000, here we come!
Charles Nenner says DOW 5000 by the end of 2021.
hmuller,
I would doubt the DOW 5000, but only because there is too much money in circulation…too much pressure.
Now this is funny: McResistance Coupster prosecutors can’t even nail Roger Stone.
Stone “lied” about conduct that was legal.
Credico never felt threatened by Stone.
He “obstructed” an “investigation” that was conceived by lies from the Government. [Trump-Russia.]
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227021733988687873
Given that Stone is pushing for a new trial due to an activist judge approving an open NeverTrumper as a juror, this is shaping up to be a mini Muellertime redux.
What a collection of buffoons. Declass can’t come soon enough. Hang ’em all.
Yeah, a real class act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pptzks0x6wI
Just another case about to implode by the sad gaggle of seditious conspirators you so gleefully endorse.
Guantanamo Bay has expanded, perhaps there is room for enablers, too.
Now now how ever if Mr. Stone ever reads her comments maybe he can sue her and she will then not have a rich doctor husband salary.
What “rich doctor husband salary”? Your imagination is running away with you.
You little turd! Some time ago when discussing tax rats etc, I disclosed that our ‘household income’ annually is around $500K.
If a ‘doctor husband’ could only come up with the $300K I don’t generate, he’d be a pretty pathetic doctor or choosing to work under the bridges of San Diego, no doubt.
No casinos. No restaurants. No bars. No gyms. No sports. Gold, silver, stocks all lose value.
Things have changed. Shit’s gettin’ serious.
Paper gold, paper silver lose value. Physical not really.
Israel, where the number of confirmed cases has nearly tripled to 298 in recent days, has authorized the use of phone-snooping technology long deployed against suspected Palestinian militants to track coronavirus patients.
We are totally set up for this. Phones are personal tracking devices. If you have a phone Homeland Security knows where you are. Having seen the instruments of torture myself, Galileo Galilei style, then Israel; where confirmed cases has tripled to 298, has authorized the use of phone-snooping technology long used against suspected Palestinian militants to track coronavirus patients.
I figure they will be used here too. But leave your phone at home and they can’t follow you around. It stopped my gang stalking cold. Yet this virus is a public health issue so I have a serious moral dilemma. Leave the phone home when I don’t want to be tracked or not?
The fact is phone snooping technology can identify all the people you encounter in a day so a list of people to quarantine is very easily made. Phone surveillance could effectively manage a second wave of infection if COVID 19 testing is deployed rapidly.
Phones in groups are already networked together using snooping technology to make surveillance nets so conversations are already fully recorded. Software does the job so people don’t even have to be involved until a test comes up positive. Once there is a positive test and conversations are reviewed, people without phones are identified and everybody gets locked down.
The FBI is well practiced in these skills.
No ‘your papers please‘. It is going to be show us your phone. That will be enough, just to see it in your hand.
My goodness you are talking exactly like Alex Jones only he said this was coming twenty years ago.
You know they guy the media has been calling tin foil hat conspiracy guy and lies about and attributes all sorts of things he said that did not happen or were framed differently.
Yea that guy the crazy sounding one who seems to be right more than wrong.
Wish we could say the same for the likes of cnn, abc, cbs to name a few.
Oh, yeah…the ‘gay frogs’ guy…the guy arrested for a DUI last week?…the guy selling phony Covid-19 ‘cures’ on his website?..THAT Alex Jones?
https://time.com/5802437/alex-jones-stop-hawking-phony-coronavirus-treatments-ny-attorney-general/
If he’s so ‘right’ all the time, why don’t you buy some of his snake oil and let us know day-by-day how you’re not getting infected?
K dog
Canada has closed its borders to everyone but Americans and has requested all Canadians return home immediately into 14 day quarantine. This will have an impact on the snowbirds here in Arizona, leaving a month early.
I would not be surprised to see the illegals lined up at the border trying to get back to Mexico.
The virus got across the border first.
Canada has closed its borders to everyone but Americans and has requested all Canadians return home immediately into 14 day quarantine. This will have an impact on the snowbirds here in Arizona, leaving a month early.
Is it good policy for older snowbirds in warm sunny Arizona to trek back to cold and flu-susceptible Canada? I can’t see the policy point here.
Ist case of Covid 19 reported in USA was January 15th, Canada January 25th. Canada has about 360 cases as of March 16th.
Canadians in USA will scramble to get back home because they cannot afford to get ‘sick’ in the USA where a band aid at hospitals costs hundreds of dollars.
As of today Canadian borders are closed to all non Canadians &, non permanent residents, with the exception of flight crews, diplomats, and US citizens. Given our border of more than 8800 kilometers many were asking why we did not also close the border to USA citizens. The reason of course is tied to our very interdependent economies and need for open and orderly flow of goods. This issue will be subject to review if things change.
Only four airports will accept international flights: Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto & Montreal. Most schools from kindergarten to grade 12 are closed across the country. Some cities have declared a state of emergency to allow for immediate closure of libraries, recreational centres, etc without immediate consultation. There is no time for consultation in the present crisis. If you don’t get ahead of the crisis and flatten the curve the consequences will be dire. There are only so many hospital beds, ventilators and respiratory equipment.
Unity and cooperation are and will be extremely important going forward. All branches of government regardless of political views will be in lockstep and the population will be fully behind its government, respecting health and safety directives. It will take everything we have got to survive this crisis. I wonder if the USA will be able to unify in the same way? A number of years ago an american doctor was facing certain death at the bottom of the world in Antarctica. The US military and big Hercules aircraft had to stand aside due to impossible weather conditions of more than 115 below zero. 3 Canadians in a small, humble Twin Otter bush plane flew in under perilous conditions, rescued the doctor by attaching skis to the plane and flew back to safety. Kenn Borek Air. Never doubt the resolve of the Canadian people. More importantly, don’t underestimate this virus.
Oh….I forgot to add that if you are a Canadian citizen or permanent resident trying to board a plane for Canada from overseas and you show any symptoms of Covid -19 you will be refused boarding. Airlines have been read the riot act on this issue and they are to watch for any signs/symptoms.
Canadian government will provide financial support while those people are ‘stranded’ in whatever shit hole country those people might have found themselves in….
Not sure how that will work. The Prime Minister looked straight into the television cameras and calmly said ” It’s time to come home”. If some didn’t get that message there will be no Kenn Borek air rescue. Enough said.
“Canadians in USA will scramble to get back home because they cannot afford to get ‘sick’ in the USA where a band aid at hospitals costs hundreds of dollars.”
My husband asked me last night how much I thought a home visit from a doc cost in LA. I surmised $250. He said $3200. Is this for real? Where does that money go? Doctor + car + driver for half an hour (ok, an hour – we’ll include journey time), bit of overhead cost, plus what?
$250 I could see. Even $400 I could see. He gets pissed off with entitled time wasters over here who have no clue what anything costs and think nothing of wasting ambulance time or anything else. But $3200 is insane.
Alba,
$3200 insane?
Suggesting a doctor make a home visit is insane…at any price. Home visits may exist, but I have never heard of one in the last 40 years.
Walk into an emergency room and be billed $5000+.
Medical treatment used to be pretty cheap around here, GA. We had 2 docs in our town and they lived middle class lives right in our neighborhood.
It wasn’t until insurance entered the picture in a big way that doctor bills grew astronomically.
Brh
Doesn’t surprise me, brh.
EF, if you walk into an emergency room in Ireland, which doesn’t have an NHS, it costs 100 euros.
I’m not suggesting the NHS system of charging nothing is the best way to go. People do not appreciate free things (well my generation did, because we were brought up to understand both gratitude and the responsibility that came with a free service). However, $5000 should get you a minor daybed operation with anaesthesia.
My husband makes home visits on a regular basis, many of them to expensive private nursing homes, which are not embarrassed to reassure residents’ families that there will be medical care provided as needed, without mentioning that it will not be the nursing home, the resident or the residents’ family who will be footing the bill, but the long-suffering NHS. And the nursing home staff like to cover their back, so will request a doctor just because Granny ‘isn’t herself’ and is ‘off her legs’.
He works at the out-of-hours GP service in one of our hospitals and has ‘in nights’ and ‘out nights’. They are, however, unable to give home visits to anyone except very old/frail people, or the terminally ill, who can’t be expected to get to hospital. Others, if they have difficulty getting there (or are a particularly vocal pain in the neck) may be offered a free taxi courtesy of the NHS, this being cheaper than a visit by a doctor.
Or, of course, people who might need to be sectioned because they’re at home and a threat to their own safety or someone else’s. That will require a doctor (and driver, if out of hours), a community psychiatric nurse, the police and gawd knows who else, for three hours. Mental health patients are not involuntarily incarcerated lightly.
The police sometimes enjoy the drama – it breaks up a boring shift!
“who can’t be expected to get to hospital.”
Should have said can’t be expected to get to the out of hours service (which only happens to be located on hospital premises for convenience). If they need to go to actual hospital an ambulance will obviously pick them up and take them. Gratis.
“The police sometimes enjoy the drama – it breaks up a boring shift”
Alba,
Not to be cute, but I do not remember a boring shift in Oakland, save during the dog watch after 0400….
It may have something to do with their health care. They can only be out of Canada for a period of time. Maybe it ties into that, if the want covered for the virus, they may need to be in Canada.
Kdog?
Every national health care system I ever heard of just treats everybody. How could you not, think about it. If there were exceptions it could not be national care. If you did not treat everyone the complexity of keeping track of who is eligible and who is not would obviously be far more expensive than just giving treatment to all. Which is the whole point.
If they were in the UK they’d get free treatment – emergency legislation has been passed to that effect.
Maybe Canadians are better off where they have health insurance?
I wrote just before Bloomberg dropped out that he & Trump would be the finalists. Boy was I wrong. But I also wrote then that each of them (substitute Biden for Bloomberg) would necessarily be involved in a bidding war to use fiscal stimulus in the form of giving away money to the public to address the crisis. Looks like I was wrong again. The ones ahead on this issue are various congress-critters such as Romney & Schumer as this piece at ZeroHedge explains. Meanwhile, Cheeto-dust proposes a lame payroll-tax cut. Now just how is that going to help? It’s great for those who have jobs &/or don’t get fired or furloughed but does nothing for everyone else. Trump has been listening to the wrong advisors for a long time. He will pay the price for abandoning his base.
Bloomberg’s actually in the cat bird’s seat behind the curtain providing the funding. The power players usually prefer not to take point as a politician. Too much notoriety and too much blame to be had when things inevitably don’t go exactly to plan (and often when they do). In any case, fiscal stimulus of some sort or another is literally the only play left in the playbook at this point, so it doesn’t really matter which knucklehead is in charge. Just as in 2008, the Fed has the pols over the barrel. Pick your poison: one will prolong the agony and you might live to fight another day, or we can end things right here and now and you most definitely won’t. One thing’s for sure, temporary Medicare for All like Biden proposed the other night won’t fly for long, if they ever fly at all. That kind of stuff will be labeled as socialist in a heartbeat and no politician of either stripe can bear that label for long.
Fiscal stimulus may be the only thing that will mitigate a severe economic downturn (depression?) at this point. But what will work? I have this sense that even if everyone gets a check in the mail, it will do little good. The quandary is that tons of people might just choose to save the money instead of spending it given the general uncertainty. And where can you spend it anyway when so many businesses are closed?
If Biden proposed temporary Medicare for All, then that’s an effective approach. I think at this point, most people are going to welcome “temporary” Medicare for All & even if anyone raises the S word, they will be ignored.
There are a few who are proposing that the curve shouldn’t be flattened, that we should just live life unchanged. The thing will then burn itself out quicker & yes, a few million more lives will be lost, but the economy will continue chugging along so that the general misery will be shortened thus things will get back to normal faster. There is some justification to this point of view.
But if any politician proposed this, they wouldn’t stand a chance in November. In fact, political leaders are as prone to herd behavior as the rest of us, maybe more so, thus this approach cannot be implemented anyway because even if a few did adopt it, it cannot be adopted worldwide.
“Paper gold, paper silver lose value. Physical not really.” –Tate
If you buy physical gold, that usually means buying a safe or paying for a bank safe deposit box. It’s a perfectly fine way to own gold, if that’s your goal, but it isn’t the best way to invest in gold.
Who said anything about “investing” in gold, LOL. If you think you can profitably “invest” in gold, you don’t understand the subject.
Owning gold is just an insurance policy, a hedge against TEOTWAKI. You don’t need to own much, no more than 5% max of your net worth. Unless you really believe that TEOTWAKI^2 is just around the corner. I don’t.
So, where do you store your physical gold. Once you have it, you have to protect it from being stolen.
Well, I don’t own any, but if I did I wouldn’t tell anybody. That’s probably the best way to protect it from being stolen.
Gold that you do not own is not a good insurance policy for you.
True, LOL, but it might be for somebody else. Just speaking in generalities. I used to own some but I don’t believe its suitability for me & mine anymore. My only point is that gold keeps its value over the very long run but for the short to medium run there’s a lot of volatility in its price, not as much as silver but too much for investment purposes. So it’s not a good investment; it’s only a hedge for the extreme outcome, & not even a certain one at that. One advantage, it is portable, there’s that.
And then there’s the problem with storage as you mentioned. People have painted it green & used it for a paperweight. Good a solution as any. Or you could put it in a safe deposit box. Just don’t let on to the bank, LOL, it’s not as “safe” as you think.
“Paper gold,” there are various forms some of which have very little to do with owning gold itself, but the only one that makes sense to me is Perth Mint certificates.
So, where do you store your physical gold. – wpa
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In the bird feeder behind the house, like Tony Soprano.
Tony Soprano had a shitload of krugerrands & a “Texas gun collection” stored in a secret compartment behind a panel in his den.
Gold is for security period. If you want return, it doesn’t work.
Absolutely correct. The dollar value of gold is just an arbitrary designation, in effect. Holding physical gold is a store of value which historically has been remarkably steady and independent of any particular currency. As anyone who knows anything about gold, knows that for the past 400 years or so one ounce can buy a reasonable quality suit. The true worth is what you can buy with it. The only caveats are if governments ban ownership, or if most of the population chooses something else as a store of value, like crypto currencies ( which IMO won’t work).
Rather have high velocity lead.
With that I can barter for everything else.
LEVLR = lead expended vs. lead returned
Well, we took a ride this afternoon, headed west on US4 to see what Doomsday might look like, traffic was lighter than usual, some restaurants and other establishments closed, gas at $2.24 per gallon, no lines, stopped in at Shoprite (supermarket chain headquartered in NJ) seemed like they were well stocked except for milk, paper towels and TP, good supply of beer and cold cuts, crowd not too bad – no panic, then drove east and stopped in at Walmart to check out the situation there.This is in one of those high end towns that people think of when they picture Connecticut. I can honestly say the situation was good. Parking lot about half full. Bought milk, eggs, paper towels, nobody brawling in the aisles, a cool vibe all around. The only thing they didn’t have was Mr. Clean.
So far the apocalypse hasn’t been too bad. Oh, and I even picked up my 2020 fishing license at Walmart, giving the day a patina of normalcy.
Brh
Went to my local Whole Foods yesterday with a long list, hoping to get maybe 2 or 3 items. Imagine my surprise when I walked out with everything on my list. There was no sanitizers of any kind, really no eggs and empty spaces for various other stuff, but basically the store looked reasonably stocked.
My wife told me when she was in the ladies room, she saw a young woman in her early 20’s coming out of a stall, going over to wash and just wet the tips of her fingers before walking out. Picture her going through the fresh fruit and veggie bins.
Maybe New England will come thru this plague in relatively good shape, Bill. We’ve had tough time here before — blizzards, that Worcester tornado and floods in the 50s, hurricanes — and things eventually returned to normal.
Take care of yourself, my friend.
Brh
It will tough on some people with casinos closed.
Ha, ha. Not me. I may be addicted, but it’s not a strong addiction. Staying away is like a slight itch that I can ignore by concentrating on something else.
To some the ditch of an itch will be no easy thing.
“really no eggs …”
Bill,
I…know a guy that bought 50 pounds of dehydrated eggs a year or so ago….
Well, if this virus thing dies out soon, the yoke will be on him (I know – groan).
“So far the apocalypse hasn’t been too bad.” –brh
This is not the apocalypse, just the thing that makes sure Trump is not re-elected. Follow the money leaving accounts. Recession to follow. President Biden a shoo-in. Even Bernie will campaign for Biden.
Tomorrow: No dead cat bounce. Asian markets are all down.
Let’s see what the futures markets do before we jump to conclusions, although you may be correct.
You are more right than s/he…DJIA has bounced up.
Nothing like an additional several hundred $billion injection to help out.
Tomorrow: No dead cat bounce. Asian markets are all down. – wpa
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Actually the DOW futures are showing a pulse……… up 943 pts as of 12:30 am on 3/17/20
So what, Little Jane? Then we’ll have Biden. Then what? Nirvana? Your life will be complete, all your dreams fulfilled? Some people here appear to want the President to make everything better, to swoop in and take care of them personally. Take care of yourself. It’s not Trumps responsibility to take care of you.
Brh
The coronavirus had infected 128,392 people globally and killed 4,728 as of Friday morning, according to data from Johns Hopkins.
4728 divided by 128,392 gives a mortality rate of 3.7%
3.7% is 37 times more deadly than the mortality rate of the common flu.
97 (present death rate ) divided by 5850 s 1.65% This is from the USA as of 5:00 PM 3/17/2020
It must be MAGA time now.
Who would ever have imagined fatso would get interest rates into such a favorable level.
He brought the FED to heel so quickly…there’s never been a man like him.
Assuming your calculations are correct – but I think need some adjusting – 200 million dead is a tragedy of immense proportions for those of us still here. Looking at the universe as a whole, at least 90 billion light years in diameter with probably quadrillions of life forms, 200 million individual deaths is a minuscule effect, I’ll grant you that.
It might make commute times shorter. But how would survivors notice?
“Looking at the universe as a whole, at least 90 billion light years in diameter ”
Ummm.. correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the visible universe has been ‘measured’ at 13 billion light-years…?
Daily Mail
A school has been accused of secretly allowing a 13-year-old girl to attend ‘radicalising’ mentoring sessions that convinced her that she was transgender.
Ashleigh and Ged Barnett allege that until the one-to-one sessions began last September, their daughter appeared comfortable in her body and showed little interest in transgender issues.
But they say she had changed completely by November, sporting a short haircut and talking about feeling that she was really a boy.
They were confused by the transformation until they met her headteacher to discuss another matter and learned that their daughter had been having weekly sessions with the head of the school’s LGBT group.
Last night, Mrs Barnett, 50, accused Hoe Valley School in Woking, Surrey, of allowing the teenager to be ‘brainwashed’. The school denies the claim.
‘Our daughter was egged on to feel that she’s a boy in a girl’s body,’ Mrs Barnett said.
‘The teaching assistant also pointed her in the direction of a YouTube website of a trans activist, which featured a video where they showed off their mastectomy scars and told how well the operation had gone.’
The couple said they were furious when they found school staff had let the teenager attend the sessions ‘behind our backs’.
Mrs Barnett said: ‘The school didn’t think it was fit to tell us. We are her parents, but responsibility to care for our child has been taken away. The attitude is that it’s the child’s choice and it’s got nothing to do with us.
‘Children at 13 or 14, especially girls, are sometimes not happy in their own bodies – that’s what puberty does to you. They are very vulnerable. It only takes one person with an agenda to plant a little seed that they are “in the wrong body”.’
Mrs Barnett also claimed that the teaching assistant encouraged their daughter to change in a boy’s cubicle and that staff began using a male name for her.
She alleges the teaching assistant had no formal counselling qualifications and only received training from local charity Eikon that provides ‘LGBT+ awareness sessions’ for schools.
In recent email correspondence with the couple, headteacher Jane Davies said she believed their daughter should be left to use the changing facilities she preferred.
‘We will continue to provide a safe environment for [your child], but it is not our place to alert you to how she feels,’ she wrote.
‘It is important that you understand that she is old enough to make her own decisions.’
JS: Alba says that she is “not into trannies”(!). Does she knows how that sounds to our ears. In any case, her Government is. Is she willing to stand against Big Sister Or Brother on this issue?
The moral of the story:
Protect your children from the ghouls and grabblers, and teach them to protect themselves.
Good advice, Nighowl.
Problem is, in England (and Sweden) it is virtually illegal for white woman to protect themselves from assault by muzzys and Africans.
The dreaded charge of Racism is enough to prevent these women and girls from coming forward.
Long Live the Empire!
Brh
Janos, you with the young girls again!?
You have a thing don’t you?
Any woman who loves a man is a child in your eyes, right? You were born a hate filled hag.
Sixteen is the age of consent in most parts of the world. And that is simply monstrous to you as a monster.
“You have a thing don’t you?”
Ev,
Most men have … “a thing”, as you describe it. Some are better able to control their impulses, some not.
what do you expect, in Hoe Valley ?
“Does she knows how that sounds to our ears.”
It sounds exactly the same to my ears. Stop being a berk.
My grandson’s being brought up at a sane school. The English can deal with their own Big Sisters or Big Brothers without my help.
The Tavistock folks are being sued, from what I heard, by some young woman who reckons she was given treatment when she was too young to realise what she was doing.
GOOD.
The C-virus is getting close to my very man-cave. The first confirmed case in my town (pop. 14,164) was announced Monday afternoon and Rutgers Univ in New Brunswick, NJ likewise announced a biomedical engineering prof has contracted the disease. I can look out the window of my cave and see Rutgers on the other side of the Raritan River.
I have been wiping down hard surfaces in our kitchen with Clorox wipes for the past few days……… and so far so good.
Just about everything is shut down, traffic very light and an unusual quiet has settled over the land.
Q – Chill out.
J. F. C. Q, Covid has been closer to me than my local K.F.C. for weeks now. There have to be thousands of exposed people within ten miles of me. The nursing home where most of the US deaths have come from is exactly (I’ll Measure) 12 miles away.
I too am old enough to worry, but the fact is we could catch it and hardly be bothered. We might not even know we had it. Or it could do us in and put us six feet under. (YMMV) your mileage may vary. The age thing matters if you have a bad case because then obviously you might not make it through to the other side. But you could be an old fart who is just another Typhoid Mary. Much ado about nothing.
We don’t know what the fates have in store for us but in time we have about a 60% chance of finding out. When the virus has produced enough infections resistance will present its spread. You have a 40% chance of not even getting it at all. Take reasonable precautions but stop with wiping everything down.
The Chinese took action that prevented new cases. They also did stupid shit like disinfecting streets. Reasonable precautions will be enough to wipe this scourge out if everyone cooperates.
Jesus Fucking Christ & Kentucky Fried Chicken if you were wondering.
When the virus has produced enough infections resistance will prevent its spread.
I’m chill, I’m chill!
The nursing home where most of the US deaths have come from is exactly (I’ll Measure) 12 miles away. – K-Dog
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The distance to the 2 cases I wrote about is no more than one mile from me as the crow flies.
Sorry…….I just looked up momentarily at my TV screen and Trump was answering someone’s question and I heard him say ‘in-DUS-try’ a couple of times and it distracted my thought process.
And speaking of words and how they are spoken, a lot of you have mentioned ‘millennials recently and I was thinking back to a couple of days ago when a reporter was interviewing a college age girl and as I listened to her response I couldn’t focus on ANY of the content because EVERY sentence was delivered in ‘up talk’. This, as you are aware, I’m sure, is where an upward inflection of the voice at the end of a sentence turns that sentence into a question. I want to tear out my hair and rend my garments and gnash my teeth. And the millennials are winning. Their up talk has spread into the adult world.
Like, I feel your pain.
A good practice to keep your kitchen sanitized corona virus or no corona virus.
Don’t pay attention to a mutt, I’ve seen them eat poopy baby diapers.
Q: “I have been wiping down hard surfaces in our kitchen with Clorox wipes for the past few days”
You can’t just wipe it down and call it good. You have to keep the surface visibly wet for 4 minutes according to the directions. 4 minutes is a long time when your standing there looking at it. Kinda like the proverbial boiled egg.
Uh-oh, I meant “you’re”. I don’t want to cause a commotion here.
You have to keep the surface visibly wet for 4 minutes according to the directions – stelmo
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Since alcohol is the important ingredient in the wipe the surface dries almost instantaneously. I’m doing the frickin’ best that I can. But thanks for the tip.
I boil sponges and pour boiling water in the sink.
Last year I had a staph-strep infection. It was horrible.
I read staph is in the sink, on sponges, etc. Not sure what to do. No rubbing alcohol in stores.
Bleach
Q,
The Raconteur, a blogger who is an ER nurse, opines that the CV will not fly into your window at night and ass rape you. I would expect no need to wipe down your personal environment. If it is there, you already got it.
And…the link;
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/
If you are looking for a site of unadulterated CV porn, this is it.
whats CV? O corona. I get it.
I would expect no need to wipe down your personal environment. – ely
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Here is the logic for the wipe down, ely: My wife buys food in a supermarket nearly every day. She pulls up the driveway, calls me on the phone and asks me to come help haul the stuff in. The tote bags go straight to a granite top island in the kitchen. Everything gets unloaded onto the counter/counters. There’s no telling what all these food packages have been subjected to in the supermarket contamination-wise. I assume the worst and now our counters are covered in spiky tennis ball sized viruses (or so I picture it)………… so I wipe.
You are wise to do it. We sanitize the shopping cart before we enter the store, then the shopping bags – if we use our own plastic ones – then the packages of food, then the kitchen counters where we placed the bags before we cleaned them, then we wash our hands. A lot of work, but necessary if we want to maximize our chances of avoiding the virus. The scary part: still no guarantees.
For about twenty years I have been on the mailing list for the City of San Ramon. I don’t know how I got on the list but I have been on it so long getting unsubscribed would be a sin.
Today it sent something interesting, a link:
https://cchealth.org/coronavirus/pdf/HO-COVID19-SIP-0316-2020.pdf
I still think they are brain dead morons but the order makes me sympathetic to American libertarians. No matter how old I get I’ll never be comfortable with idiots telling me what to do. I don’t care if they mean well.
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Of the 43 coronavirus deaths in King County, 29 were patients at Life Care Center of Kirkland. The nursing home held 120 patients, and nearly a quarter of them died.
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And Italy now has over 2000 deaths. Yeah, you know all about it.
“When the virus has produced enough infections resistance will prevent its spread”
How many is enough?
Nearly all being senior citizens.
No, the 60% has to be spread out over society. Any group with less than 60% would be able to sustain an infection. The math is similar to math that describes a nuclear reaction. Preventative measures are like moving fuel rods out of reactive core of a nuclear reactor allowing nuclear reactions to damp out. I realize this is a simplistic analogy.
60%
So far, here in Arizona we don’t have too many cases. Same in a number of other states. It makes no sense not to have an interstate travel ban, except for food and medicines and the like, if you want to stop the spread.
Right, let people from NY, CA, WA and elsewhere travel freely into these states so we can have a control the spread failure as pathetic as the testing failure. Sure, we want to balance control against negative economic impacts. But this thing keeps growing, and soon the economic impact will be that much worse.
Trump gave himself a 10 for his efforts. I’d give him a 20. 10 for faking it, 10 for winging it.
And a final zero for not doing jack shit.
None of our politicians would saved America: Greed, restlessness, and normalcy bias would have triumphed. But not all of them would have boasted insufferably of what a great job they were doing and/or how it was really nothing anyway. Utterly ridiculous from the get go. Apparently Tucker Carlson drove over to see him and told him that it was a dire threat that had to be handled.
And any politician who by some chance did “get it” would have been utterly handicapped by the ethos I describe above. Only the Man on the White Horse could have seen this coming, had the power to stop it, and have been willing to use that power to do so despite the cries of the foolish and weak.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/stranger-visits-coronavirus-patient-epicenter-outbreak/UTKPJRWQONAEXGICQSDZX2MUGE/#continue_below
Too many stupid bitches in this story than I care to count. I hope the innocent patient appreciated the attention. If her visitor was ranting about Jayzus while she was doing the hugging though, the woman could not have understood her. How do I know?
Her dumb-assed bitch daughters is how. Good they were there but yeah I’d be embarrassed too if a total stranger showed up and hugged my mother when I was afraid to do it. But that in not the point. My point is that the daughters did not understand religious devotion. I grew up with the sanctioned madness so I understand it well, and I know they don’t. The visitor was doing what is called:
Witnessing for the lord.
The daughters did not understand or appreciate and the news reporter did not understand religious devotion any better. I understand witnessing as a selfish narcissistic self-serving thing to do that the lord of love would despise but that is another story. The fact that this story is full of dumb-assed bitches is the point, at least 4.
Tim Killian is very competent and is doing a great job. I have seen him interviewed a few times.
wow you mad bro? 🙂
ha
Mark 16:15 King James Version (KJV)
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
“I understand witnessing as a selfish narcissistic self-serving thing to do that the lord of love would despise but that is another story” Do want to revise that?
No
” and preach the gospel to every creature”
ASub,
I talk to my wiener dog all the time…he don’t listen.
I’m now pretty convinced in my mind that the Corona virus plague is a Chinese Communist government military operation against the West (with the probable knowledge of the Soviets). As were the other plagues originating there.
I think the appropriate response would be a nuclear strike on Beijing and a complete embargo of all things Chinese.
No more trade or contact of any kind with China!
Yes, it does seem strange and suspicious doesn’t it. They thrive in hives, and within a hive mind. They have made it clear that they seek the destruction of all but themselves. It is they who plan to cross the Euphrates River too don’t forget with their 200 million man army. A torrential rain of neutron bombs would appropriately treat the infestation. They should be held accountable for their actions since we only have two choices. A) This was a leak from one of their laboratories, or B) the virus originated from them eating sinful abominations. And also yes, absolutely! No more trade or contact with any of the slant eyes.
Some psycho’s in the Chinese government may figure out that Chinese may have an advantage over other countries in being able to lock down their population and then smell weakness in the US?
BEIJING—When the coronavirus pandemic started worsening in the U.K. last week, Jennie Lan knew where she would feel safest: China.
The graduate student at University College London was worried Brits weren’t taking precautions, such as wearing face masks. “People here didn’t attach a great significance to the coronavirus,” Ms. Lan said. On Tuesday, she will fly to China to stay with her parents, who live in a district with no reported infections. “The local government controlled it well,” she said.
Nothing happens by accident
Nothing is coincidence
Everything is planned
“Nothing happens by accident
Nothing is coincidence
Everything is planned”
Mofo,
C’mon man….
Don’t be naive, Ely. You only need to look at the Chinese stock markets to find your answer. They were up throughout the crisis, as was the Chinese currency. They were well prepared for this. This is a Chinese military/economic attack on the West and it was planned as such.
“No more trade or contact with any of the slant eyes.
”
Their women are after your men SSL.
Or it could be exactly the reverse. We’ll probably never know for sure.
Reverse, your ass. Who’s Xi, commie? I already know, perfectly!
More likely.
Dr.Osterholm on Joe Rogan..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
real great run down/talk on covid19
..as the good Doc sez, its gonna be like a virus winter, not a virus blizzard..
if you live somewhere where it doesn’t snow.. then sorry for the analogy..he’s a fellow Minnesotan.. means that its gonna be 6 plus months and contain many virus ‘blizzards’ in it..
When scientist the world over can look at the DNA and see that it has wild origin how responsible is promoting your nonsense.
So your convinced it is totally a natural virus? So how did it transmit to humans?
Why would it being natural mean it could not transmit to humans? Viruses mutate.
Listen to Professor Osterholm. He explains not only why they know it is natural but why scientists would currently be completely incapable of manufacturing such a virus in a lab.
Incidentally, you will also learn about widespread BSE in American deer. Which (although not caused by a virus) may also cross the species barrier at some point.
Scrapey, similar to BSE and caused by a prion found in sheep, has been known for centuries, but does NOT cross the species barrier. There are things we don’t know. But that viruses can mutate to cross a species barrier, then mutate again to transfer directly among their new hosts is something we know.
‘Scrapie’, I think, sorry.
SSL, you said early on in this crisis that you were reading copiously about it. How come you haven’t listened to Prof. Osterholm yet?
He’s a proper source of information.
What about Event 201: An Elite run thru of a Corona Pandemic six weeks before the actual outbreak? Coincidence?
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/new-coronavirus-wasnt-predicted-in-simulation/
akmofo – You’re really starting to lose your grip.
Scene from the movie “Island of Dr. Moreau” starring Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer.
Montgomery to Edward Douglas: “There’s a lot of unstable phenomena out there.”
There are numerous very disturbing social pathologies out in American society than could make for a rather toxic brew in the context of the ongoing apparently intentional or inadvertent biowarfare. Such as:
Pervasive fraud and lying in the mass media, economy, and the shit show political system.
A desperate workforce with no health insurance and three quarters with no savings living paycheck to paycheck.
A population with severe sexual and mental psychoses.
A fraudulent, rigged financial system.
Lots of guns.
A younger generation than has a hostile pathological view towards the Baby Boomers, some of whom may actually welcome the virus as a “Boomer Remover”.
An population that believes itself victimized by past historical grievances.
An ignorant population with no sense of history.
Family and social breakdown.
Pervasive pathological dishonesty.
Runaway technology with vast authoritarian potential.
It could go sideways into an authoritarian system quickly.
LOL! But other than those few exceptions, everything’s just peachy, right?
[Shakes head] What a country!
Alas, ellipsis, all is not well here in the Land of Oz. The ultra-leveraged multi-millionaire to billionaire class is suffering financially because of CV-19. The full powers of the Fed and the financial system must be brought to bear to “save” them. Like MLK said, socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the rest of us.
Be grateful for your rugged individualism, because communism for the rich will only bury them deeper in their grave.
I love that movie! It really really creeped me out. Though for a moment in time I did wonder what it would be like to be half human/half cat like Fairuza Balk :-). Though I would really want Dr. Douglas to shoot me up with that serum to prevent a full regression, because shedding fur? Yuck.
You know, with that big laundry list of problems I would tend to think maybe you are trying to convince me that authoritarianism would be a good thing. At least in the short time? Clean up all of our problems and get ourselves back together again and then we can sort of ease up?
Used to be the purpose of the government was to protect the people of the US from foreign interference and regulate state to state interaction.
Now the purpose of the government seems to protect itself from the people.
The people in government know that they are riding the tiger and dare not get off (except through individuals comfortably retiring).
When this overly complex house of cards starts to fall there is a lot that will not survive. Expect a Napoleon or Caesar to come along when the people finally realize that he is their only chance at salvaging something from the wreckage. There is a lot of ruin in a nation, though, and we are still probably a decade or three from the final denouement.
Pucker,
My worldview is negative, in that I view a significant minority of the US as…”not socially responsible”. I observed this at a relatively young age, and my view has not been challenged. The upcoming weeks will test the theory. I am prepared to change my view if there is not significant turmoil in the urban populations.
Elrond take note.
Well, for starters, the ‘Airline Industry’ lining up for $25 billion in emergency grants, and an additional $25 billion in interest free loans “to make them whole.”
If you managed to struggle thru the 2 codgers Sunday night there arguing about energy policy in the US, you would be convinced they are both gonna shut down jet fuel production..
unless you can make planes fly with swine fat or… or firewood, like the krauts did during WWII
Only one type of plane has flown around the world without a single stop for refueling: solar powered.
And without a single passenger.
All ‘fossil fuels’ eventually have to go, the sooner the better! The only thing holding it up is Exxon and Trump have conspired to put the kabosh on windmills and solar farms. After Trump and Exxon are gotten rid of sky is the limit as far as renewables are concerned.
(In january we had a period of no sun or wind for about 2 solid weeks, a freezing mist laying over area like a wet wool blanket)
Sure you’re freezing to death in the dark in Maine — the windmills ain’t spinning, the sun ain’t shining — but think about sea level rise! Meanwhile, top climate dickheads like John Kerry’s oceanfront mansion is lit up like a Christmas tree and warm as toast. You think his place is hooked up to any windmills, ha! That’s for suckers. He himself has his own private generators with plenty of diesel fuel to keep them running far into the future.
-Brh
Our sun, as all the stars in the universe, is powered by electricity. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to tap these cosmic electric currents to power our world. Tesla saw this in his visions and understood it perfectly, but the Vatican gov mafia via the FBI disposed of him and his work.
Now you’re talking. How much power in the Northern and Southern lights? Get a hold of that and we will be as gods under God.
“Our sun, as all the stars in the universe, is powered by electricity
Mofo,
What an odd thing to suggest…unless you speak in metaphor. If literal, defend your thesis.
If literal, defend your thesis.
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Very literal Ely,
Google/YouTube these keywords:
Wallace Thornhill
Donald Scott
Electric Sun
Electric Universe
Thunderbolt Project
As you do that, here’s something extra for you:
https://youtu.be/D3bmRNKYxSA
Only the best to keep you company!
Eli, listen to Akmo. He’s usually wrong but here he is right. Think of Zeus with his thunderbolts. Think he has an energy problem?
You are stuck between the Semitic and the Pagan European Worlds. Not good. It’s causing you cognitive dissonance.
But how do we get that cosmic energy down to earth level, then channeled into our houses to run vacuum cleaners and blenders to mix iced wild turkey based delicious drinks?
Therein lies the rub my friend, Akfomo.
Brh
True, buddy, it’s a serious rub. Think of the Grand Canyon as a small scar of vaporized matter from Jupiter’s thunderbolt. It’s an awesome prospect. Imagine directing it at the Chinese for their malicious perfidy. And there’s your motivation that will power unlimited households.
Mofo, et al;
I will do a bit of research.
Mofo/Janos,
Well…;
The electric universe concept does not meet the National Academy of Sciences’ definition of a “theory,” which is “a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence” and “can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.”
In physics, theories need math. That’s how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn’t big on math. In fact, “Mathematics is not physics,” Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for “mainstream” astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.
Of course I cannot deny the thesis, but I remain skeptical.
Zeus? Zeus can kiss my big black ass….
You can’t argue with cosmic energy E. At this very moment earth is hauling ass around the sun at 67,000 mph, and spinning at 1080 mph. There has to be some way to harness that energy … maybe those gentlemen Akfomo mentioned have the answer.
brh
I remain skeptical.
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Ely, these things take weeks months and years to look at and learn. You have done none of that. Instead, you went to the gov mafia priesthood and aped its nonsense. You remain skeptical because you remain ignorant.
It’s the same nonsense with Mrs Green. She hasn’t read Immanuel Velikovsky, so she hasn’t a clue as to how ignorant she is. Instead, she prides herself in her masterful knowledge of conventional main stream propaganda. She can’t understand that I also know everything that she knows and that propaganda works EMOTIONALLY. That is precisely why she will never read Immanuel Velikovsky.
The statistics are stark simple: 98% of people are sheep. They do not have the emotional and psychological makeup to resist and truly explore outside the box.
Until you truly understand that gov mafia priesthood lies to you ALWAYS, you will remain bound in their worldview and lies. You need to experience an emotional break with them before you can truly embark on the intellectual path away from them.
For me that occurred when I’ve experienced their malicious lies regards Israel. I knew their staged lies for what they are. I knew they were not innocent mistakes. That gave me the emotional opportunity to look further. The more I looked the more I understood how completely bankrupt and false the whole system is, the whole goddamn matrix is.
“She can’t understand that I also know everything that she knows and that propaganda works EMOTIONALLY. ”
Yeah… And last time we had a conversation you were having difficulty with the notion of why the sea is salty and lakes with rivers draining them aren’t.
Get back to me when you can cope with that.
You are a liar. A shameless liar on par with Janos. You completely shattered my image of you and all respect for you. Because there’s one thing a really can’t stand and that’s liars. You said you can and will provide a scientific account for the salt in the seas and oceans, the origins of this salt and calculations thereof. You did no such thing. Instead, you linked to a pathetic layman discussion by pathetic propaganda apes that had ZERO scientific and mathematical rigor to back any of the assertions made.
Talk whatever silly, insulting drivel you wish, Mr Mofo.
I don’t recall promising you anything. You are perfectly capable of doing your own entirely simple research. I’m not on a retainer to give you lessons in foundation-level physical geography.
The point in question would be understandable to a 10-year-old.
And I have no need whatsoever of respect from someone who talks like you.
Why don’t you widen your range, Mr Mofo?
Why don’t you ask the readership how many of them are willing to own up to NOT KNOWING why the sea is salty while rivers and drained lakes aren’t?
Your dishonesty is revolting. You’d rather lie and misdirect to “save face” than admit the obvious, that you were and are clueless. You value your pride and ego over truth and inquisitiveness and really over everything, and for that you lie shamelessly. My response to this kind of shallow and dishonourable person is complete contempt. I may be young, but I’m light years older than you. There’s no discussion with bankrupt puddles like you, only complete derision.
Contempt from you is a compliment, Mr Mofo.
If I had your respect, I’d be ashamed.
Now go and ask a ten-year-old about salinity in seas, lakes and rivers. And try not to insult them when they tell you the FACTS.
Now go and ask a ten-year-old
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I did. Thanks for playing.
”We don’t know what the fates have in store for us but in time we have about a 60% chance of finding out.“
”In time” (in the long run) we absolutely know with 100% certainty what our fate is.
Except for billionaires who are pursuing the fountain of youth with million dollar budgets.
They won’t live forever either though, and all the all those billions won’t help them on the other side.
Anybody else have the feeling these daily white house briefings are about the DOW, not public health. It’s been eight weeks and Trump’s Obama-like claim that anyone who wants a diagnostic test can get a diagnostic test is still not true.
Have your cats been tested? All 16 of them?
that’s a week of meals at the Chinese wet bar
🙂
Trump just said, AGAIN, “within a short period of time we WILL HAVE a tremendous testing capacity” … “in the weeks ahead”
Always just around the corner. In the future.
“Our economy will come back very rapidly, very quickly, very quickly”
He thinks we are idiots.
I doubt that but we all know that you are.
Grow up what President is going to say this is a disaster everything is fawked and everyone is pissed?
Jesus in the middle of a global emergency you are being a complete unmitigated wrench.
wretch?
no meant wrench meaning a tool probably a southern California surfer thing.
Calling someone a wrench is like douchebag or use full idiot.
If a miracle happens and this sucker shows signs of abating soon, the economy will pop right back. Everything the Trump boys are saying right now is based on this premise.
The longer it goes, the more of the economy will go into stasis and the longer reconstruction will take.
Think about how fragile this US economy has been allowed to get. The number one issue ten weeks into the mess is still getting masks, and test kits. This is stupid beyond belief and is the fault of US trade policies over the last thirty years.
Ross Perot was right after all.
We let China make them for us I presume. They will use our failure to promote more globalism – the very cause of the whole thing, both disease and lack of medical materials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA4BdsuG88g&t=214s
we WILL HAVE a tremendous testing capacity”
will come back very rapidly, very quickly, very quickly” – wpa
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I would like to see a study done on how frequently Trump uses certain words. I would bet ‘tremendous’ comes in number one.
One of Trump’s quirks of rhetoric that I find very annoying is the repetition of a phrase at the end of a sentence. He uses it as an intensifier. But does he ever listen to himself and say “gee, that sounds pretty ridiculous, maybe I should try to break that habit”? No, I don’t think he EVER second guesses himself about any personal foible.
I haven’t seen a word count recently but during his 2016 outpourings he was found to have a vocabulary of fewer than 60 words, including conjunctions, definite & indefinite articles.
Unsurprisingly, the most often used were personal pronouns.
Q- that would require self-awareness and a sense (even very mild) of foolishness. Fat chance.
Who is to blame for the spread of the virus?
Trump? downplayed the advent of the virus at the beginning. Signed up with the folks that said it was just another flu. He did however stop Chinese and European immigration for the time being, much to the chagrin of the Libs. These two moves may limit the upward spike of occurrences. BTW, the Dem governors sound much like Trump trying to get the social distancing message out.
The government? Once the onset was understood, the CDC and NIH took over the running of the virus campaign and Trump moved to the background. The regulations within CDC limited the testing response at first. It took the pandemic and a declaration of national emergency to free up the private sector to finally start testing in needed quantities. Unfortunately, this has led to a reactive instead of proactive approach which right now, unfortunately is a characteristic of our government.
The health care community? Nobody better criticize these folks in my presence. Tireless, overworked, at high risk, these are our angels that will bail us out of this mess.
China? Read the above, then remember that China saw this monster first. Our government criticizing China for doing the same reactive thing it did itself is downright stupid. Yes, they tried to cover up the onset, maybe? Or maybe did not understand the scope of the problem. Or ran into reluctance from the people to isolate. The center of China was the perfect “Petri dish” for the infection to dig in. We, the world, needs to realize that national politics are senseless here, the virus just laughs at our political BS. This definitely includes Trump!
The real culprit? The people of these lands that have become clusters for this disease. Right now, I keep seeing articles showing how the people are thumbing their noses at the governmental agencies trying to get them to self-isolate or at least keep six feet from others and wash their hands. Pictures of crowded Miami Beach, pictures of St. Patrick’s in New Orleans, pictures of bars crowded, pictures of airports jam packed. Breeding grounds for viral production. Young people are indestructible in their own minds, a real recipe for destruction. What happens when the L strain starts clobbering them.
Whatever the cause, the Stupidification of the American public is really apparent right now. The government had put together a simple plan to super isolate everyone for 15 days to slow the advance of the disease. This is exactly what the Chinese and South Koreans did and it worked.
I doubt if the voluntary approach will work, the government is right now shutting down bars and restaurants as people just kept congregating. More closures coming. Italy has closed everything but groceries and pharmacies, everything. The US is close behind if we do not voluntarily shut this sucker down.
Watched Andrew Cuomo’s presser this AM. The man is getting his arms around the situation in New York. Same with Newsom in California. Who do they sound like? Trump’s team. Surprise! Maybe the guys in the trenches will just tell the political extremists to take a hike. And the media? Criminal! All points of the compass. They are sensationalizing everything and the public, just like every time, just absorbs the BS that is being broadcast.
Our number one priority? Stop the monster, stay home, wash up, be clean.
Number 11/2? Stop the erosion of the economy. The US is critical to restarting the world when this all ends. Stimulus may help but it is up to the people to act wisely when the fear abates by going to work, buying, not hoarding.
Any one, anybody saying that this situation is good because it destroys Trump’s economy needs to be lined up against a wall and shot!
Trump is to blame. WHO had diagnostic kits we could have used weeks ago. Other countries were using the WHO diagnostic kits. Trump refused. Trump and Trump alone is to blame for millions of American non-boomer deaths “in the weeks ahead” to quote Trump’s words which he repeated again today.
You are so full of bull. It would not have made one iota of difference how many test kits were out there and how many people have been tested. Has it made any difference over the last week that we have identified more and more folks? Nothing. Has it stopped idiots from congregating everywhere? No.
Testing shows that a problem exists, period. You people who plan to use this against Trump are really showing your ignorance.
The real question is why weren’t there more kits available on day one, and why is it taking so long to ramp up. The WHO kits were a pittance, an excuse for blame. They were used up overseas. We need millions of kits, where is the manufacturing capacity? The real fault is the policy of off-shoring manufacturing and trying to exist with a service economy. It will not work and what is going on now is just proof of it. The Deep State is teetering, I hope it collapses.
JohnAZ,
The real question is why it took until yesterday for Trump to take this seriously. And why we are not yet on full lockdown, like France. And why Trump hasn’t used his emergency powers to mobilize the manufacturing capacity that we DO have. We have lost many weeks and continue to lose precious time to criminally negligent planning and messaging by this administration. Thank god we have some serious and competent governors.
But let’s let your #1 man speak for himself.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We’re ordering a lot of supplies. We’re ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn’t be ordering unless it was something like this. But we’re ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
Yesterday: “It’s bad.”
Most Americans have known exactly what he is from the day he came down that escalator. Hoping you open your eyes and ears soon.
I blame the governments of the world who spend money to create these monster viruses in their labs. This thing didn’t just evolve in a dirty market place.
Have you watched Contagion? The bed scenes, Day One, shows how easy it is for a zoonotic virus to get into the human population.
The last scenes
This will leave you with no doubt about how it started. (if the weird looking link works)
cid:369BFA42-4AA4-4341-9916-4E47EB9FCECE/f_k7vvf92r0
Hurray for ipv6!
The lab is literally 900 feet from the market.
As usual, you could not make this shit up.
Now you’re talking: Force. Government Force. It’s how Trump, Rudy, Mini Mike, and Andrew saved New York City from the Blacks. Stop and frisk those wooly headed thugs. Make them be afraid for a change. It worked. Countless thugs with long records were caught carrying weapons, intent on no good. They destroyed countless inner cities, neighborhoods, malls, and even whole cities. But they didn’t get Manhattan. Did the Jews support them? What do you think? The ones who know the score and were being impacted sure did.
“Any one, anybody saying that this situation is good because it destroys Trump’s economy needs to be lined up against a wall and shot!”
Greta, is that you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBeh1jkanrE
remember… the slow kill may have enough left in him to kill you before he dies…
🙂
there’s your covid19 outbreak training for the day…
Bernie is despised by the Democrat Party. They tolerate him because he funnels votes into the Party. Bernie has ZERO CHANCE of getting the nomination… just as in 2016.
Biden is UNELECTABLE. Too much baggage/corruption unfolding… Hunter’s involvement in Ukraine and China. Biden’s brother involved in Iraq construction projects. Biden’s deteriorating mental state are visible and very concerning. Biden would be a disaster running against President Trump, and the Democrats know this.
Hillary will be the nominee and is the Democrat’s best candidate to run in 2020 (no matter how much the Republicans despise her… me included). She has enormous power in the party and has the people and money to launch by far the best campaign. Hillary received 95% of the Super Delegate’s vote in the 2016 Convention. The Super Delegates are the heart and soul of the Democrat Party, made up of all Democrat Senators, House members, Governors, ex-Presidents, etc… approx 775 delegates.
She has learned from her mistakes in 2016… she has avoided running in the primaries, thus avoiding any negative press so far. She has been very visible lately with appearances on late night talk shows, podcasts, book tours, HULU biography launched last week during Super Tuesday, thus polishing her image before entering the race. Get ready for Trump vs. Hillary 2.0 my friends.
Hillary is the essence of corruption and baggage.
She is even more odious in personality than Orangeman bad.
Hillary is smart and has experience. Orangeman not so much.
“Hillary is smart and has experience.”
wpa,
As did Hitler, and Stalin, and Vlad the Impaler….
Over and over you show yourself to be a partisan cheer leader with nothing but a propagandist mindset in every post you make.
Yet she was destroyed by the Orange Man in the debates.
I had warmed to Trump a bit by then, but was still shocked by how poor her performance was.
She even had the questions delivered to her in advance and lots of camera trickery in her favor.
And she still choked.
Cough, cough.
Hillary was given the questions prior to the debate with Bernie, not the debate with President Trump. Donna Braziel was caught giving the questions to Hillary.
Half right. For the other half, the Baltimore Gazette disagrees with you.
Hillary is the essence of corruption and baggage.
She is even more odious in personality than Orangeman bad. – benr
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Not to mention: those cankles.
benr:
“Over and over you show yourself to be a partisan cheer leader with nothing but a propagandist mindset in every post you make.”
If the cap fits…
You may be right.
The sacrificial lamb candidate may be another possibility though, it has happened many times before. Go through the motions just so the public sees you are still around. Not doing it is fatal.
The DNC May be doing this with Biden. No PR firm would ever march someone like him out with any expectation of winning. If Hillary steps in however, that may change.
Bernie wants a revolution in America. Ain’t gonna happen!
We’re in the middle of an ongoing cultural revolution for the last sixty years. Slow but very profound change. What Bernie wants would only upset the apple cart and lead to war with Red America. Why bother when you can seed their lands with minorities who will then seed their wombs since their minds have already been seeded with self hatred?
During the Viking Conflict with Christianity, the Viking started giving their children Christian names. It was basically over at that point. The had already lost at the spiritual level – shouldn’t have kidnapped and then married Christian girls. The physical will fall in time once the higher principle has fallen. Conservatives accept Liberals as their moral authorities, revere the Communist, MLK, as a Conservative, etc. Same thing. You’ve lost already.
You and your Vikings, your Teutonic women, your wars and battles and on and on.
Exactly, Jan!
But what’s the purpose of conquest? Isn’t that already a lost cause? Why change others that are not you, to be like you? They can never be you, they will only destroy you and what you are.
Now you understand the wisdom of the Hebrews and the TaNaKh.
And you’re losing now to the Muslim fanatics. A Hasidic Tranny just revealed “herself” the other day over here. They’re falling too! Liberalism is Death.
Sinn Fein – for Ourselves, Ourselves Alone. At last we have found accord…..
Hasidism = Romanism = Vatican tools
As for the Muslims, they’re busy in their Stone Age world cursing Jinns and projections of themselves while turning their villages to war rubble.
Syria is just an appetizer:
https://youtu.be/13xjwTrSchw
Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Algiers, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and on and on, they’re all morally bankrupt and destined for complete self-destruction.
As for our “Muslims”, they’re practically Zionists already:
https://youtu.be/FnmVrbJaoxU
In a generation, they’ll all be proudly serving in the IDF, as the BBC and the other Vatican Commie-Jihadi-Nazi incitement propaganda outlets are buried in their deserved grave.
If she thinks she can run again and win she hasn’t learned squat.
Bernie has/had leverage he hasn’t used. He should have let the DNC know before the start of primary season that if they showed any evidence that they were working actively against him, that if he lost the primary because of their interference he would run as a 3rd party candidate.
Not a reckless threat that he had to win to avoid 3rd party, but rather if he lost fair and square he’d stay out.
Maybe the DNC acknowledges his running on a third party ticket and what that will do to Biden’s chances. They should probably start grass roots to create a legitimate bid in 2024.
That’s exactly why I think this whole thing is staged. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes? To me, it seems reasonable that Bernie would have run as a 3rd party candidate from the beginning. Why hasn’t he?
I hear rumors that troops are being sent to the Vatican. I wonder why?
He virtually is a 3rd party candidate. If can’t get enough votes as a democrat he knows he can’t win as a declared 3rd party.
He knows he did win against Hillary. Take away the superdelegates and if that isn’t enough give him the one or two states they stole the win from him in and he wouldn’t have been the nominee.
He must have felt he could do it again. His DNC opponents were more prepared for him this time and apparently the young folk he counted on exposed their digital age stunted attention spans.
…would have been…
If Bernie DID run as 3rd Party, he’d come in second, but ahead of Biden.
“We don’t want Americans to travel but we want to give the airlines Billions of dollars of American taxpayer dollars in Obama-like bailouts.”
Socialism for the rich is OK when Republicans do it.
It is bad that perturbations in the economy require the government to bail out anybody. The key to success of capitalism is removal of the weak sisters and expansion of the successful types. The weakness of capitalism is what happens to the losers. In a robust economy they are reabsorbed, in a not so robust economy, they are on welfare.
Our government has no more money to pay in bail outs or welfare. In America or around the world. Each dollar being printed makes all the other dollars worth less. To big to fail is failing!
How long will people stay isolated before real revolution starts?
The weakness of capitalism is that without someone to apply the brakes, when corporations become powerful enough it becomes a tyranny.
Teddy Roosevelt barely rescued us from it at the turn of the last century. By the end of the century it had become a snowball from hell again. Capitalism and capitalism alone accounts for why all our stuff comes from out of the country now.
Misallocation of capitalism by a very corrupt Federal government manipulating with the big box corporations is responsible for the off-shoring. Capitalism, or socialism or Communism, all the isms would work if it wasn’t for the corruption of the PTB. Capitalism disseminates economic power, making it more difficult for central authority to control, Socialism or Communism makes it easier.
Remember HRC and Obama threatening voters with the destruction of the coal industry? The voters prevailed. Now the market is slowly forcing out coal in favor of natural gas. Works okay until gas depletes.
“The weakness of capitalism is that without someone to apply the brakes, when corporations become powerful enough it becomes a tyranny.”
I agree that our nation, from the start, allowed too much free rein, but people did not appreciate the limits to growth until the consequences began to loom large on the horizon. BUT, it is not only capitalism that allows power to concentrate at the top – All human political systems trend towards oligarchy, including socialism and monarchy.
The only hope for humanity is that oligarchies decay and fail as they abuse their power, or as events overwhelm them.
Life goes on.
Are you going to trash your cheque for $4,095, JohnAZ?
”Trump’s economy needs to be lined up against a wall and shot!” —JohnAZ
Trump should NOT be shot. He has stopped saying the virus is a hoax. He has stopped saying Democrats exaggerate the threat to bring him down, Today reality has forced Trump to stop lying, (until he tweets again.)
Why did you take this statement out of context, you cherry picker?
I agree, shooting would be too good. He should be forced to change bedpans in a corona virus ward until the pandemic subsides or just to give him a little bit of hope, until he emptied his millionth bed pan.
From someone who emptied his share of bedpans, stuff it!
I am seeing many stories of the failures of socialized medicine in Europe. Olga Kurylenko, a Bond girl, tested positive and has been denied a hospital bed in London. Why? Because the system has no excess capacity for a crisis. Why? Because it is run by a government and governments cannot even run themselves.
You bitch about the apparent shortage of resources here? Europe makes us look good, they are overwhelmed by their insufficient resources.
Will we as a species learn from this fiasco and improve our health care systems after it is over? Not a chance, especially with socialized, government controlled health care.
C’mon JohnAZ, sober up
You’re acting like one of those runners who celebrates victory before crossing the finish line then trips and falls and comes in last.
We have been having our ears pounded off with warnings about the tremendous shortage of rooms, respirators, and staff that will become manifest when the corona snowball gets rolling in this country.
We are already in pathetic last place in the testing and testing kit category.
And your sides policies has been what has made it all possible. If one good comes from this, I hope that globalization has a wooden stake driven through its heart.
MY side????!!!!
WTF is that??
“your side” – partisanship, even NOW?
“I am seeing many stories of the failures of socialized medicine in Europe. Olga Kurylenko, a Bond girl, tested positive and has been denied a hospital bed in London. ”
Are you suggesting everyone who tests positive for coronavirus should go to hospital, even if they’re not ill enough to need to be in hospital?
That’s insane. I’ve never heard of her but looked her up. All she says in her tweet is that she’s tested positive and her main symptoms are fever and fatigue. Doesn’t sound like a hospital case to me.
Sending someone to hospital who doesn’t need to be in hospital is a failure of medical judgement. AND insane.
If I was gasping for breath and couldn’t get a hospital bed because of some filmstar who was a bit tired and had a temperature I’d die feckin’ angry. I didn’t hear that Tom Hanks was hospitalised?
Normal people are told to stay home with symptoms unless they get severe enough to require hospitalization. You have to call ahead even if you go to get a drive through test and get permission to get tested from your primary.
Same here. And sensible.
Normal people, huh? I guess you and some of your buddies here could just rush right into the hospital regardless your symptoms.
Dr.SHIVA: https://youtu.be/FR6LXEBngkI
Your Future: Quarantine, Drugs & Vaccines or REAL Health?
Oh great, Shiva the destroyer wants to cheer me up. It’s OK Shiva, I’m ready to face death. But could you hold it off a little longer? I have a hair appointment coming up, and after that I need to get to new heels put on my shoes. Well, not shoes but pumps. Other than those two things I’d be willing to set a time up. Give me a call tomorrow.
Shiva! Why are you looking at me that way??!
Oh Alba, you aren’t the kind of person who would let anger spoil your grand exit. You wouldn’t even experience fear except a little at first. As you felt that great weight lift off, greater than you even realized, you would sink blissfully into acceptance, then remembrance, until finally…I want to use the “L” word here but then the whole thing sounds sappy.
Anyway, I could be wrong, when you are gasping for breath and experiencing the agony you might not be able to go all Hallmark card.
So scratch most of what I said.
Actually I wouldn’t be angry, Evelyn. You’re probably right. I’d just recognise my natural place at the back of the queue!!
And yes, the gasping for breath thing does rather take the bliss out of it, but other than that, who knows if we might just lie back and chill into it…
Re the acceptance etc., I do recall sitting with my mother holding her hand as she died, and I wasn’t just crying for her as my mother, but also for her as a fellow human being, and for all of us who share exactly that fate. There was a lot of human solidarity in the tears.
TMI, probably. 🙂
Could be worse our ER’s are typically stuffed with illegal aliens who can’t speak the language, have no money or health insurance and demand everything for free. They tend to be a three ring circus with kids running out of control and people coughing all over the place.
I can only imagine how bad it is now like the seventh level of hell.
“have no … health insurance and demand everything for free.”
Haha, that’s 65 million of us! Except that we queue nicely and hardly speak in the waiting room because we’re British. 🙂
Interesting. So this is hard to believe but true. My GF was forced to take her daughter to the ER in LA due to a staph infection on her lip. There was no way to avoid it. The ER was EMPTY. A couple of people getting discharged. How weird is that?
“Sending someone to hospital who doesn’t need to be in hospital is a failure of medical judgement. ”
And THAT is something that happens more in a money-based system because money-based systems also lead to more fear of litigation. Which results in BAD medical decision-making by doctors. Leaving aside the current pandemic, over-treatment by health professionals is dangerous for patients and is rampant in the US because $$$$$.
Oops, my intended reply is just above your head.
Well don’t you think there could possibly be a distinction between a failed socialized system, versus an efficient socialized system? The problem with Europe is more open borders and entirely free movement which allowed the virus to spread like wildfire. We have the same exact problem here. International flights are still cruising in and borders are open. And when you allow every single migrant that crosses the border to start collecting benefits your system is done for.
Germany seems to have an excellent system.
Ours is underfunded. And has suffered from a devious decades-long attack to soften it up for privatisation. Some hospitals are underfunded for staff and equipment because they’re paying through the nose via PFI contracts to fatten THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
And anyone who wants private treatment in the UK can get it if they want to pay for it. The NHS is always there to pick up the pieces when things in the private sector go wrong (which they do, because it’s about money, not health priorities). And the private sector cherry picks. It doesn’t want Cinderella services and I’m willing to be it doesn’t want coronavirus either.
Re open borders, the borders in the Schengen area have been closed for the duration, as far as I understand.
Aimed at JohnAZ rather than you, SSL.
There’s a well known but very simple route to privatising a system that the people don’t want privatised.
(1) Deprive it of adequate funds
(2) Watch it fail.
(3) Declare that it failed because it was publicly funded.
(4) Job done. Laugh all the way to the bank.
(4) principally applies to those with shares and interests in privatised healthcare concerns, including a significant number of UK MPs.
What the hell is so different in the US? Each of our states about the size of a European country give or take a few hectares and I sure as hell would rather be a Portuguese and have a Welshman show up under one of my bridges than have a bunch of southern Hillbilly’s from Mississippi or Alabama prance into town in their vintage Winnebagos. Not that there is anything with southern folks but why should they come her and collect our state unemployment?
“Because it’s run by government” – stupid shit. As if Corporate Hospitals that operate on the profit principle would even let them in the door.
We blew it by not getting on top of it and stopping all travel – including the most beloved of the liberals, illegal immigrants. Our System is going to overwhelmed and would be no matter how or who ran it. It will be particularly bad because we outsourced our medical equipment industry to China. Stupid Capitalist Criminality allowed by a Government owned by these vultures and human detrius.
Janos! At last something…
Your last two sentences something we can finally agree on, not that that little girl you were/are so hot on isn’t fetching in her own cute little teenager way.
I hope when all the Karma comes blowing back our way our friends the hispanic people will remember us libruls who were kindest to them.
Janos, you have put your fingers on the problem. It’s not the government that is inherently selfish and evil, it’s the people in charge of running it. In this country immoral capitalists used their power to take over the controls. They used their power in too many ways to list but most importantly they control information and use it to lure stupid, ignorant, lazy, bigoted people their way by some means, and other selfish, greedy, money motivated types in the same direction by other means yet.
Take you for instance. You likely aren’t rich so a tax cut might not lure you much. But you are scared to death of the people who harvest your food so they prey on your fear of them.
If they have you profiled you may even be getting solicitation through child pornography.
It’s not the government that is inherently selfish and evil, – Eve
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Janos understands a lot of things but Capitalism is not one of them. He and you and everybody MUST understand that every conscious act is and must be selfish. You can do nothing, even give away all your earthly possessions to the poor, that does not serve your self. It makes you feel better to do so. Serving the self may have NOTHING to do with acquisition of riches.
A bearded ascetic sitting cross-legged in a Colorado stupa at 12,000 feet is serving his own self every bit as fully as I am serving MY self.
But some serve themselves by serving others. Others serve themselves by serving ONLY themselves. The difference remains. Like Quicky Joe Small, you are trying to trick yourself out of understanding something simple, yet profound, with sophistry.
The Sages say serving oneself by serving others brings far more happiness btw. Who is more happy, bachelors or those who serve a wife and children? By and large, husbands and fathers are according to many studies. And healthier too.
“I am seeing many stories of the failures of socialized medicine in Europe. Olga Kurylenko, a Bond girl, tested positive and has been denied a hospital bed in London. Why? Because the system has no excess capacity for a crisis. Why? Because it is run by a government and governments cannot even run themselves.”
You’re speaking way too soon, JohnAZ. The link between “capacity” and ‘run by a government’ is just so bullshit. What about when Americans are turned away because they have no fecking medical insurance? How would THAT be a good reflection on the US private health delivery system?
When you have to eat your own words in a day or so, you’ll get no sympathy around here.
Well, ladies and germs;
The BBC, this AM reports on the conventional wisdom regarding how long the Coronavirus can exist outside of a host environment…how long it can remain on surfaces after a sneeze, etc.
Spoiler Alert!
A lot.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces
Another spoiler alert. It can last hanging in the air in micro droplets for a few hours also, it does not need surfaces. So if someone’s sneezes uncovered, anyone walking into that airspace gets exposed. Stay home!
Correctimundo !
But to prevent freaking out air currents will dilute so within a few minutes a well ventilated space will become a low probability risk. Micro droplets will desiccate in dry air rapidly and viruses don’t like being dried out in general. If there is a warm weather effect I suspect lower humidity could have a lot to do with it.
The link does not give a lot of clarity on the humidity issue. At one point it says higher humidity kills the virus but then it says the virus being dried out in clothing fibers is a good thing. Which is it?
So now you are believing main stream media? Now MSM is not “fake news”? Trump was lying about MSM being “the enemy of the people”?Now Cherrypicking is OK? Flipflopping is OK?
“So now you are believing main stream media?”
“wpa,
Don’t have to necessarily believe it, all or in part. File it away, measure against other input.
What are your thoughts on the MSM’s latest Fake News story, that being that Trump wanted to buy a German company producing supplies and equipment to combat the virus.
Fake News on page 1 of Die Welt, repeated ad nauseum by Fake News sites in the US as well.
Two days ago, the company says the claim is fake and no such statement was ever made. Furthermore, the original story was sourced to an anonymous individual. Just like every Fake News story.
By all means, set us straight.
”Each dollar being printed makes all the other dollars worth less.” —JohnAZ
This is what worries you? You are concerned that YOUR dollars will buy less crap? This is why you oppose government printing money to save the economy, to save industries, to save working peoples’ jobs, to save families, to save American lives? Capitalist individualist egoist murderous narcissism.
I am too old to buy a lot of crap. No I worry about everyone else, the folks that need to bring this sucker back.
BTW, can you ever, ever hold a decent conversation without a lot of name calling, your vocabulary seems stunted.
Stop worrying. It does not help. Some decent advice.
”Each dollar being printed makes all the other dollars worth less.”
Yes, the effect is invisible when it happens and people are fond of saying they are just numbers in a computer but the fact is everything for the 99% is devalued and the fortunes of the 1% are boosted.
Printing dollars keeps machines of exploitation going by giving an injection of instant cash.
you are behind the times. money is digital.
and it is debt.
“No I worry about everyone else, the folks that need to bring this sucker back.” –JohnAZ
Our host has clearly stated the economy is never going to recover. This sucker is never coming back. Things have changed.
Team Mueller claims about Russian troll company and information warfare collapse as DOJ dismisses charges against said company due to Mueller incompetence.
Apparently, Mulehead and Co. never thought the company would show up in court, and they never reviewed or translated translated reams of “evidence” that was in Russian.
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1239687082160689152
LOL.
What utter rejects.
Dismissing charges does not exonerate the Russian troll company.
Dismissed with prejudice, meaning it can never be brought back to court, because it was based on nothing.
LOL.
Steamrolled again.
The cat is bouncing.
Of course! Have no doubts it will when it is this society’s center of the universe.
Down 3,000 yesterday. Up 500 today. Cat is still 2,500 in the whole.
Cat is still in a whole lot of trouble.
8500 in the hole. Got a long way to crawl back. Need a bottom first though.
If I remember right, the market did not get back to pre Depression level until 1954.
Right now, the Depression is the ultimate bad economy example. If this lasts through the summer, the Depression could be number 2.
Hoover and the 1920’s GOP and their Ponzi schemes caused the Great Depression.
A stinking virus is causing this one. Are we getting closer to God?
The problem with a bull market is that it’s all uphill.
🙂
Closer to God?
No.
You can’t get closer.
You are God.
But you don’t know it.
You forgot.
How you programmed it
Programmed to forget
Experience you reality
God watches
Waiting for you to remember
You are the watcher
Loop until the way out is found
Love hides in familiar faces
Love hides in molecular structure
Love comes when you least expect it
Beauty is the universe gazing at itself in a mirror
DOW Jones hit a touch point on the upper side of the channel a little after noon at 21,368.65. Will likely head towards the bottom of the channel now, 18,000 and change tomorrow.
In my book it does not even count as a dead cat bounce unless it violates the channel.
Markets just do not go straight down.
Looking at a 5hr chart, there’s actually a little more room to the upside without violating the channel.
https://www.investing.com/indices/us-30
There’s lots room for violation. We’ll be kissing the SPX 200dma from below. And then the real fun will begin, depending if we get kissed back or not.
It would be fun to have an online account and try and ride the cat. Playing it right could have eared 4% today. Whoo-he!
Problem is I’m keeping my powder dry.
It would be fun to have an online account and try and ride the cat. Playing it right could have eared 4% today. Whoo-he!
We have online investment accounts – most banks provide them, and fees are trivially cheap. But being a conservative retiree I’m too chicken to go gambling.
But having said that, by holding everything we’ve ever bought, we’ve taken a small haircut. Gambling might have been better, and almost certainly more fun.
Know en to hold em. Know when to fold em. Know when to walk. Know when to run.
Conservative hahahah your a full grown progressive weenie.
Are you CFNers still thinking of taking that Pole Dancing Course in order to meet interesting women? Pole Dancing alone in front of a mirror should be ok since it involves Social Distancing?
These days an enterprising young lady could deliberately get infected and recover. She would then be able to market her immunity as SAFE SEX. So be patient Pucker. Just make sure you find one with a heat of gold who isn’t fibbing about having immunity or being fully recovered.
But for now it is keep it in your pants time if you don’t have a main squeeze. Recovered people for spontaneous consumption are way down the curve and with serious quarantine the time you will have to wait for available women to be recovered could be a very long time indeed.
It may be necessary for the Federal Government to subsidize porn to keep people at home. In which case can I please vote for less anal?
Doggie style is OK.
So how would you do this fellow?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1239638446806716416
His phone is on so we can know what he does. If he pulls any shit he must be isolated in a solitary confinement and placed there by whatever means is necessary to maintain public safety. If he tries to infect those arresting him taking him out could become necessary. You asked.
But is he even in America?
Says he’s a NY-based Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood activist.
Tazing his ass to get his cooperation would be better than shooting him it he gets himself sick and travels to the embassy. I’d try that first.
You’d be ten steps too late. You already are, by the fact that he and others like him already in NY. Some already in Congress.
Heart of gold. This is a fine way to fix a typo.
If someone spontaneously combusts, and you are on them, in them, etc, are you in danger? If so, is that fair? Surely the Elementals in charge of fire (the Salamanders) have some sense of decorum and decency.
How long does testing take? Too bad we can’t test people at bars and clubs, only letting in the healthy, calling the Hospital Police on the rest.
spontaneous CONSUMPTION
No, I wrote COMBUSTION.
“Got a long way to crawl back. Need a bottom first though.” –JohnAZ
That’s the way it is in a capitalist system. No business because of the virus? Fire staff and send them home to shelter in place. So the working class is without money, without a way to pay basic expenses. That is a failure showing the inhumane face of capitalism.
That is not the way it is in a social democratic country like Denmark. The president of Denmark said to the employer, yes send them home because of the virus, but you cannot fire them, and the government will pay 75% of their salary. A more humane way to treat people, because people in Denmark are not just cogs in a capitalist market, not widgets. They are recognized as human beings and are treated with dignity and they are supported economically by the Social Democratic GOVERNMENT.
Denmark is one of the most egalitarian societies in the world. The Danish welfare model ensures a healthy work-life balance as well as free education and healthcare for all. That is possible in a market economy where the Government redistributes wealth equally instead of allowing for a huge gap of wealth inequality.
And then tried to extend it to the World – by bringing in the World. What folly. Muslim maggots, at just 5% of the population, were using 40% of the welfare budget.
Test: When they get to 10% of the population, how much of the budget will they be using, if the budget stays the same? Let’s see if you can think. But yeah, great post. America isn’t number one or in the top twenty in terms of quality of life. Big doesn’t mean better. Attn Brh.
Muslims are just as European as members of the far-right violent extremist parties. Muslims have lived in Europe for many centuries. They are peaceful. They work hard. The larger problem in Europe is the violence of the far right movements against Muslims. Muslims are a permanent part of Europe and have been since at least 711 C.E.
Muslims are human beings, not maggots. They are thoroughly and permanently integrated into European society.
Another post in complete and utter disregard of something approaching reality.
Do some research on lessor jihad and get back to us.
Looks like you and Little Jane are in complete agreement, Vlad.
Hey Little Jane, can we call this mysterious new virus the ‘Asoka flu’, ha?
Denmark? Ahahahahahahaha
Brh
Have you been to Denmark?
why?
Why go to Denmark? Or why ask the question?
I think the answer to both is obvious.
Just to put this whole Janos-inspired Muslim scare campaign into perspective. Muslims are native Europeans. Muslims built Europe. France and Germany, strong European economies, have the largest Muslim populations. There are 23 million Muslims living in the 28 European states and three-quarters of them are already European citizens by naturalization or birth.
Janos is saying that Europe is being invaded by a growing Muslim population that cannot or will not be assimilated. Others ridiculously try to scare us by saying the Muslim minority (5%) dreams of implementing Shari’a law in Europe. Laughable. The numbers are not threatening. The 5% Muslim population in Europe has been there for centuries. They are not invaders. They are native to Europe. European culture has always included Muslim elements, as early as the 8th century.
I agree with what you’re saying wp – how could a rational person not? And with the likes of the freaked-out sub-class that includes Janos, we have to make some allowances.
Firstly, I suspect a fair slice have done very little exotic travel – perhaps a beer-fest in Milwaukee, or a week in Las Vegas – and secondly they’re only a generation or so away from those who thought desegregation was the end of the world.
It takes time – lots of time – to evolve from dark tribal lunacy into the bright sunshine of liberal thought.
So is that why we were attacked so ruthlessly at that concert in Las Vegas? We still haven’t gotten an explanation of who or why by the Media – but ISIS did take responsibility for it, right?
The Las Vegas slaughter was carried by an all-American boy (Stephen Paddock) – he was as white as you or Timothy McVeigh.
But it wasn’t really Paddock who ruthlessly killed 58 people from a window of the Mandalay Bay – it was every single Second Amendment gun-nut and NRA-paid politician.
So is that why we were attacked so ruthlessly at that concert in Las Vegas?
Who is this “we”? If you mean nice white-bread doo-ron-ron Americans, then why can’t you ever mention that every time there is a merciless killing with a high-powered weapon that should be banned?
These events are not caused my Muslims, no matter what the ISIS nutters claim. And we only have ISIS because that totally illegitimate (court-installed) “president” invaded Iraq, and left the country in rubble. Nice work George! USA!
Cargill is an expert on all things American. He actually knows more than the people who live here.
To bad Bernie Sandals tanked Comrade, you could have come over and given him some sound advice.
No Carguile, he wasn’t an all American boy, he was a Leftist who converted to Islam apparently. He is now enjoying the seventy odd virgins in paradise as martyrs in the way of jihad do.
ISIS is usually truthful when it claims responsibility – as you well know, snake.
wpa_ccc
Yes – humane treatment. Tax dollars for the poor & vulnerable, not just the Banksters & large corporations as in the US.
Likewise plan in New Zealand – 80% of usual weekly wage (maximum of $585 per week, though).
Js: Aesop, but only for those who can take their whiskey straight, no chaser. A for the rest, believe what those who can tell you and do what they say. Think, prepare, and HFU – harden the fuck up. If you can’t think, do two and three as you are told. If you can’t prepare, then HFU and maybe someone will help you or you’ll get lucky. Or something else, like dying well. It’s hard to fast during the Winter, but Spring is here. Soon the flowers will be blooming and with all the new fertilizer, we can expect bumper crops for the Harvest.
The Master speaks:
This isn’t a ramble. I have a number of lines of thought I’ve been stewing over at work all weekend, and I’ll be going down each one until I’m done.
Let’s begin.
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(That we know about. Reality could be 100,000 or more.)
If that original number doubles seventeen more times, the product is a number larger than the populations of the U.S. (330M), Mexico(137M), and Canada(37M), combined. IOW, it’s virtually everywhere in North America at that point. (No, I’m not particularly concerned about the banana republics between Mexico and South America in this regard. They can lump it.)
What I’ve read is that the outbreak is doubling every 4-6 days. So somewhere between 68 and 102 days from today, the shit sandwich on this continent reaches full maturity.
If the spread of the disease is moving at that rate.
If the current voluntary measures don’t halt that growth, or even slow that pace.
If it doesn’t run out of people stupid enough to keep doing things to spread it.
With the above caveats:
May 22nd, to June 26th, give or take.
It crests 100M cases a week to two earlier.
Long before then, we’ll have a great view of how lethal it is, and how many cases are serious. So by somewhere between mid-May and Mid-June, we’ll either have metric f**ktons of people requiring hospitalization, and dead, or not. How much better or worse it is then will be a foolproof look at whether this is a nothingburger, or Spanish Flu. Oh, and if there are really 100,000 cases now, we get there a full month earlier.
Now maybe you can figure out why POTUS said this will last through July or August, at minimum.
And remember, the 85% (or more, or less) of all infected people who have symptoms ranging from none, to moderate flu, aren’t the problem. They never were. They’ll be just fine.
It’s the hordes dying in droves, and crashing the entire U.S. medical system that could put a kink in this country that’ll last for decades. And crashing the stock market. And everyone going broke. And crashing the economy even after this passes. And so on. And so on. And so on.
That’s 5 1/2 months from now.
How much food do you have?
How much cash on hand do you have?
How much of each of those does Gilligan’s family have, and how far are they from you?
So, how much ammo do you have??
That little thought exercise should concentrate your minds wonderfully.
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Now, a reminder about some other numbers.
900,000 staffed hospital beds.
93,000 staffed ICU beds.
60,000 ventilators.
1,000,000 medical doctors.
2,800,000 registered nurses.
106,000 respiratory therapists.
That is the army you’re gong to war with, in this pandemic.
And when I say staffed beds, I don’t just mean doctors, nurses, and RTs. I also mean D.Os, PAs, EMTs, CNAs, pharmacists, radiology techs, facilities engineers, clean-up crew, supply workers, registration clerks, administration people, IT geeks, and hundreds of other clerks and jerks, without whose constant efforts and hard work, plus medical supplies in small mountains every single day, Dr. Hero and Nurse Awesome are just a couple of people in funny pajamas, and with about as much lifesaving ability on their own as there is actual magical ability in Rupert Grint and Matthew Lewis.
If it was just beds we needed, we could take all the surplus army cots from the 2M guys RIFFed from Uncle Sam in the 1990s, unfold them, and Presto!, have another 2M spots to dump patients. It doesn’t work like that.
I bring this up because if “only” 10% of Kung Flu victims require a hospital bed, because they’re really that sick, then long about the time we hit 16,000,000 victims, in (44 to 66 days, so let’s average it to) 55 days, we have more patients than we have beds for them. At that point, we’re Italy. Say about May the 12th or so. (We may also have up to 480,000 dead, which if it happens would have crushed every ICU in the country 5 times over long before that point.)
We’ve covered this before, but it bears keeping in mind. Keep your thumb in this spot, as we move along.
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This weekend, all considered, from purely a Kung Flu cases standpoint, was just ducky.
We had maybe half a dozen to ten “rule-outs” (meaning “maybe it is, maybe it isn’t; look for other things that rule out Kung Flu. Like actual influenza flu.) Given the abysmally slow return time, I believe at least one was positive for Kung Flu.
“Ten patients? Is that all?!? Aesop is fulla sh*t! This is a big conjob nothingburger!” – every two-digit IQ soopergenius who ever read a word I wrote on this topic.
And herewith, we digress for a bit.
Scenario One: You’re in the military. In a combat zone. The enemy is known to have chemical weapons. One day, a shell whistles over from the enemy side of things, and goes off with a less than enthusiastic bang. Then another, and another. You see a hazy white cloud forming at each impact site, coalescing into a large white cloud, now drifting lazily towards your position.
Do you
a) send the company dumbass Gilligan over there to have a sniff for you, and report back
b) send the whole company of men over, and see what happens
c) put Gilligan in temporary command, and have him lead the whole company over there
d) Yell “GAS! GAS! GAS!”, while clanging metal-on-metal, and then rapidly don your MOPP gear and gas mask, before the cloud blows into your position, and prepare to treat anyone nearby who was slower on the uptake.
Scenario Two: You’re working in a hospital. An ambulance arrives, and unloads a patient spurting blood everywhere, who tells you he just arrived from the Congo, where he runs an HIV and Ebola Survivors Clinic, and tripped on the jetway and cut his leg open.
Do you
a) run over and apply direct pressure with your bare hands, while fountaining blood cascades into your eyes, nose, and mouth, and lick yourself clean afterwards
b) yell at all your other co-workers to join you in performing “a”
c) Both “a” and “b”
d) put on appropriate gown, gloves, and mask with splatter shield, and apply an emergency tourniquet
In case you were wondering, the correct answer to both scenarios is “d”.
You always assume the worst, from common sense, and institutional policy, and over-prepare, so you can deal with it easily if it turns out to be less-than.
You don’t grab your .22 to go take on that African Cape Buffalo, and then find out you needed a bit more to get it done. Unless you’re a farking moron.
I told you that story so I could tell you this one:
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Some days back, I stated that I didn’t think we’d bring Kung Flu patients into the hospital, but instead, triage them in tents outside, then send the ones meeting criteria to some FEMA-set-up Kung Flu Treatment Center, staffed as possible, and serviced by dedicated Hazmat 9-1-1 ambulances, whisking members of the community there as appropriate, in full protective gear, 24/7/365.
Because, as I argued with flawless logic, to do otherwise would be to
a) risk our entire healthcare system being overwhelmed and destroyed, a la Italy, and
b) make every other medical emergency impossible to deal with, thus doubling casualties from every other treatable and preventable cause of death, from heart attacks and strokes to appendicitis, because the entirety of any and every hospital would be filled with Kung Flu-infected plague petri dishes, in every nook and cranny.
Turns out, TPTB, top to bottom, make the Italians look like Leonardo da Vinci.
1) We’re not putting tents up everywhere.
2) We’re not segregating people out of the hospital.
3) We’ll do a half-assed triage assessment outside the building somewhere (fill in the blank where___________)
4) Using screening criteria overtaken by reality a month ago, because the CDC, no matter how asinine, is always the CDC
4a) to wit, asking about foreign travel, even though homegrown community-acquired cases outstrip foreign travel candidates, and have for two weeks
4b) ask about exposure to known Kung Flu patients, even though the CDC and local public health departments refused to test for Kung Flu until four days ago, in most cases, (due to jackassery, fuckwittery, and a dearth of functional kits for two months) thus insuring via Catch-22, that if you never test for King Flu, nobody anyone was in contact with ever officially has Kung Flu
5) then bring the infected into an appropriate sealed negative airflow room
5a) which cleverly has no patient monitoring equipment
5b) will not allow you to get portable chest x-ray equipment into the room with the patient with respiratory problems (which, cleverly, no one thought about prior to then)
5c) which would contaminate said portable x-ray equipment every time you got it into the quarantine room
5d) which would require an extensive, nigh impossible decontamination of said X-ray equipment for each and every subsequent patient
5e) thus leading to shooting x-rays outside the building, or in other places that probably violate 27 hospital safety policies, local health and safety codes, and probably eleventy Nuclear Regulatory Commission regulations regarding radiological safety of patients, staff, and bystanders, in a slow-rolling Chernobyl sort of way
5f) and taking them to CT scanners which are then contaminated, and failing to do a full terminal clean of said rooms and equipment each and every time, which would take them offline for hours each shift, and necessitate closing the hospital to ambulance traffic, so why bother cleaning?
6)unless you’re fresh out of negative airflow rooms, in which case you
7) put them into open rooms with no protection or containment
8) thus insuring that all staff members and other patients are exposed over and over again
9) to cases which will not be tested for Kung Flu unless they’re first proven negative for the flu
10) Or not
11) All such “policies” being rather more like the Pirates Code (“just guidelines, really”), purely at the whimsy and caprice of whatever doctor(s), charge nurses, or cranky old bat nurse has phone duty that day at the Public Health office, and their personal and capricious interpretation of the current (of four or five or six, so far) CDC guidelines
12) which apparently are changed every hour, if not more frequently
13) while the managers, and senior management, who should be living in the same shoes and underpants 24/7/365 until they sort this shit out, weekend or no, but whom are instead nowhere to be seen, heard from, or in any wise directly involved, until the total colossal clusterfuck falls over from its own weight seven or eight times over, between Friday afternoon and the middle of the following week.
14) while staff and patients having to deal with the results of people with Acute-on-Chronic Head-Up-The-Ass-Syndrome are repeatedly subjected to potential pandemic exposure, leading to sickness, preventative quarantine, lawsuits, and death
15) as the Low IQ staff members, who still think this is no big deal, continue to half-ass every bit of their response, 24/7/365, because half of them were below the upper/lower cut in their graduating classes as well.
THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE GETTING.
The CDC (as per usual, going back years decades) has no f**king idea that it doesn’t even know what it doesn’t even know, including how to find its own ass with both hands, a map, a compass, and a rearview mirror.
ManageManglement has no idea the CDC can’t find its own ass either, and is looking for their own as well.
Supervisory staff puts on its Lemming Suicide Squad Crash Helmet and blinders, and announces that the Light Brigade will smartly charge right over the cliff.
Grunt-level staff, doctors, nurses, ancillary members, etc. will continue to work until
a) they can’t take the bullshit
b) they get sick
c) they realize their own family’s safety trumps a paycheck.
Instead of learning from Italy’s mistakes, and trying to save people and the overall healthcare system, we’re going to keep on half-assing this until we’re in it over our heads, and then drown. Instead of making the hard call early, and working the kinks out now, when it would have been easy, when it’s five patients a week, we’ll wait until it’s 500 patients an hour, and then crash and burn in a glorious orgy of stupidity.
I expect people to hit the wall.
This is all new to everyone.
There hasn’t been a pandemic like this in 100 years.
BUT I ALSO EXPECTED THEM NOT TO BE SO GODDAMN STUPID AFTER THEY HIT THE WALL AS TO NOT RUN HEADFIRST INTO IT TEN OR TWENTY MORE TIMES, IN RAPID SUCCESSION, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY CAN.
That last expectation was misguided, being most clearly irrational hubris overcoming a solid and well-founded pessimism about people in general, the universality of the Peter Principle, and the inevitability of people, left to their own devices, shooting themselves in the feet until they run out of feet, or ammunition. And then, reloading.
Having said (and witnessed, firsthand) all of the above, and after understating it by at least half (you really have NO idea) there’s only one way to deal with this, for me:
I mean that last, most sincerely. We’re all going to go through this. Harden the fuck up.
Take care of yourselves.
Take care of your families.
Take care of your friends.
Take care of Your People.
No one is coming to save you.
Not me.
Not the government.
Not. Any. One.
Everything is Your Responsibility.
Deal With your Shit.
Get It Done.
YOYO = You’re On Your Own
Best Wishes. Really.
And if, watching the economy do a SMOD impact into your life, and the entire nation go onto a (mostly voluntary) full lockdown quarantine, you still think this is just a hype and a nothing burger, I can’t help you. If you’re right, I don’t need to; and if I’m right, no one will miss you.
What I’ve read is that the outbreak is doubling every 4-6 days. So somewhere between 68 and 102 days from today, the shit sandwich on this continent reaches full maturity.
82.000 in China since mid November Janos. The first case was on November 17th in China. That’s 121 days or 17 weeks ago. The John’s Hopkins rate has about 82,000 in China after 17 weeks. What happened to your calculations, Herr Janos?
I’ve seen attack subs burning off the shoals of Orion. The candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long.
My dick with a wick.
Just imagine what Taimane would do to your dick with a pick:
https://youtu.be/6YgYXHrDiuk
And I’ve seen National Socialists strung up in Nuremberg
With little or no trial. Even Patton was horrified of the treatment of German citizens. He was going to tell all when he got back, but never made it.
A dying Jedburgh admitted that he had assassinated him as ordered by his superiors.
A dying Jedburgh admitted that he had assassinated him as ordered by his superiors.
General Patton died of heart failure – not lead poisoning. Where do you get this stuff?
Very funny – every one “dies of heart failure”! This is why I serve you, My Lord.
Janos,
The raconteur at his finest….
TLDR. It’s very difficult to take anyone seriously who uses a term like “Kung Flu”.
Anyway, experience in other countries (including China and South Korea, and currently Japan) indicate that never-ending exponential growth need not occur, and won’t occur, if serious lockdown can be achieved – with mandatory restrictions that are enforceable, but mostly the populace being sensible – perhaps for months.
OTOH – the impact on the economy will be horrendous. It’s already being horrendous.
“TLDR. It’s very difficult to take anyone seriously who uses a term like “Kung Flu”.”
Cargill,
Funny. I introduced the term to him about a month ago. Nobody is prepared to take me seriously either.
Maybe a good thing.
Well I hope you went to Confession and repented. 🙂
Repented? Why? I’ve even heard Trump use the term…twice…on the TeeVee….
Remember, that the virus had not been named when I posted to the Raconteur…I mentioned the “Kung-Flu”…can’t say where I saw or heard it, but it stuck in my mind. My personal choice for the CV would have been “The Sniffles”….
Cargill
The economic impact will be horrendous whether the contagion is contained or not. Take NZ for example. As of yesterday, the conformed cases rose to 19. All were traced to inbound international flights.
There’s (as yet) no community transmission identified. Who knows how many thousands are in self-isolation, the requirement for anyone arriving from overseas since last Saturday night.
No school shut-downs as yet, bars & stores still open, but tourist spots (like Queenstown & Wanaka) are all but empty as international inbound travel is now a lock-out to all by citizens & permanent residents.
Yet, the economic damage is already projected to be beyond the 2008 GFC. 4% of GDP – $12.5 billion – put up for community-focused ‘bail-outs’ of small businesses – wage subsidies to keep the cash flowing in the community, slashed interest rates, Government -underwritten loans to major businesses like Air New Zealand…
…and no-one here has died of Covid-19 (as yet) but the response is devastating – more so than the actual viral infection, it seems.
People speak of the stillness after the Great Battles. In my childhood home there was an old paperback, “The Stillness at Appatomax (sp?), some Civil War battlefield. No doubt Black Hoe Ressler. has read it. Or survivors describe the terrible quiet of the Titanic waters after twenty minutes or so. Death is a quiet affair after a while. The Women were thankful to be alive and too frightened to risk saving any of their men. What did the men matter anyway? Aren’t they just nature’s way of producing more women? And are not soldiers just “chickens” as Santa Anna said? Losses? Napoleon scoffed: One night’s work in Paris will make good all such losses. Evidently women take after these Generals, seeing us as “chickens” to be plucked and then forgotten.
I had no idea I was going to end up here. A road is a dangerous thing as Bilbo said. And the mind is full of roads, at least a great one like mine. Evelyn has one road around her mud hut that she keeps clear of weeds by tramping around and around all day and night.
God damn them all.
Robinson Jeffers:
That public men publish falsehoods
Is nothing new. That America must accept
Like the historical republics corruption and empire
Has been known for years.
Be angry at the sun for setting
If these things anger you. Watch the wheel slope and turn,
They are all bound on the wheel, these people, those warriors.
This republic, Europe, Asia.
Observe them gesticulating,
Observe them going down. The gang serves lies, the passionate
Man plays his part; the cold passion for truth
Hunts in no pack.
You are not Catullus, you know,
To lampoon these crude sketches of Caesar. You are far
From Dante’s feet, but even farther from his dirty
Political hatreds.
Let boys want pleasure, and men
Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame,
And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes to be duped.
Yours is not theirs.
True, but if the Zaddick or Holy Man does not serve the People, he will descend from whatever rung of perfection he has attained (Hasidic Tradition). And to whom much is given, much is asked. Who said it first? Don’t know, but it’s true….
Much is asked “from.”
Never been able to make that work, grammatically, poetically, euphonically.
Which seems to release those who would otherwise be obliged.
Tricksy faggots.
It’s not actually complicated at all if you go back to the source.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/use-the-quote-correctly-or-not-at-all/2015/04/16/23bd81f2-e3ae-11e4-ae0f-f8c46aa8c3a4_story.html
Ah, it is the Bible. Thought so but didn’t know where. Pretty simple and of course, profound. Who is being tricky, Joe? Maybe you?
Skorenzy:
“And the mind is full of roads, at least a great one like mine.”
Narcissistic tendencies are apt to trip you up eventually, Janos.
The second wave could be worse, like the Spanish Flu?
“ THE 1918 INFLUENZA PANDEMIC, like many other influenza pandemics, came in waves. The first spring wave killed few, but the second wave would be lethal. Three hypotheses can explain this phenomenon. One is that the mild and deadly diseases were caused by two entirely different viruses. This is highly unlikely. Many victims of the first wave demonstrated significant resistance to the second wave, which provides strong evidence that the deadly virus was a variant of the mild one. The second possibility is that a mild virus caused the spring epidemic, and that in Europe it encountered a second influenza virus. The two viruses infected the same cells, “reassorted” their genes, and created a new and lethal virus. This could have occurred and might also explain the partial immunity some victims of the first wave acquired, but at least some scientific evidence directly contradicts this hypothesis, and most influenza experts today do not believe this happened. The third explanation involves the adaptation of the virus to man. • • • In 1872 the French scientist C. J. Davaine was examining a specimen of blood swarming with anthrax. To determine the lethal dose he measured out various amounts of this blood and injected it into rabbits. He found it required ten drops to kill a rabbit within forty hours. He drew blood from this rabbit and infected a second rabbit, which also died. He repeated the process, infecting a third rabbit with blood from the second, and so on, passing the infection through five rabbits. Each time he determined the minimum amount of blood necessary to kill. He discovered that the bacteria increased in virulence each time, and after going through five rabbits a lethal dose fell from 10 drops of blood to 1/100 of a drop. At the fifteenth passage, the lethal dose fell to 1/40,000 of a drop of blood. After twenty-five passages, the bacteria in the blood had become so virulent that less than 1/1,000,000 of a drop killed. This virulence disappeared when the culture was stored. It was also specific to a species. Rats and birds survived large doses of the same blood that killed rabbits in infinitesimal amounts. Davaine’s series of experiments marked the first demonstration of a phenomenon that became known as “passage.” This phenomenon reflects an organism’s ability to adapt to its environment. When an organism of weak pathogenicity passes from living animal to living animal, it reproduces more proficiently, growing and spreading more efficiently. This often increases virulence. In other words, it becomes a better and more efficient killer.”
John M. Barry
The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History
Panic fags.
In that book, Heat, one of the main researchers was immune to almost everything. When infected, he would simply get very sleepy, and then go into a trance while his super powered immune system dealt with the intruder. I hope you all can do this.
Beer and garlic.
Fear queers
Stinks worse than sliders.
“Now maybe you can figure out why POTUS said this will last through July or August” –Janos
No, Janos, this is what POTUS said:
“They tried the impeachment hoax. … They tried anything. … And this is their new hoax”
“One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” (said with 15 confirmed cases)
After saying it was a hoax, after saying that the 15 confirmed cases would soon go to zero, after saying that when warm weather comes in a few weeks it would disappear, he still did not change his story.
“We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” (said the day CDC announced 64 confirmed cases)
Now, with 4,565 confirmed US cases, and 87 US deaths, he says: “I’ve always known this was a real — this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
POTUS is a pathological liar. Should we believe his previous 11 announcements denying the virus and saying it is a hoax, or should we believe what he is saying now, which is the complete opposite?
Dude has a credibility problem. He is still not doing anything but yapping. The city mayors and state governors are talking directly with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Military Generals. Our POTUS “commander in chief” is a figurehead, a clown, a dangerous irresponsible idiot.
Republicans gutted the aid bill Nancy Pelosi sent them. The people are once again fucked, but billions will go to Trump’s CEO friends. See a pattern?
I don’t think he is a liar.
He really and truly believes it.
He is clinically insane.
“If you believe it’s true it’s not really a lie.” Goerge Costanza
You’ve just described “accountability journalism” in a nutshell.
Your reading of his words speaks to your low IQ.
The meaning is clear, and was even clarified afterwards.
Not that it had to be for anyone of moderate intelligence and above.
No…I think that his words REQUIRE a higher IQ to discern the meaning speaks of Himself’s low IQ.
“Should we believe his previous 11 announcements denying the virus and saying it is a hoax, or should we believe what he is saying now, which is the complete opposite?”
Nightowl will be able to help with this question, I think. He heads Mr Trump’s PR team, I believe, and may have some high-IQ concrete evidence to help with your quandary. 🙂
Republicans gutted the aid bill Nancy Pelosi sent them. The people are once again fucked, but billions will go to Trump’s CEO friends. See a pattern?
I really wish the Democrats would stop pandering, stop negotiating, stop saving Trump’s arse. He (and the PTB) really want some economic stimulus package(s), and they need the House to pass any measures.
Pelosi should have simply said: “This is what the Bill contains – it isn’t negotiable – take it or leave it.” Moscow Mitch and the Golden Globe would have had to fold. And the country would have been the better for it.
Another golden load of bs from the king of your entire post is a fable.
Another golden load of bs from the king of your entire post is a fable.
It seems I have my own little pet troll – that’s nice.
I just wish they could write a coherent sentence that made some sense – even a bit.
Yep, Cargill – benr latches onto someone and follows them around like a snarling chihuahua, nipping at the heels with illiterate drivel, entirely unself-aware that his criticisms can be equally directed back at him. It’s most amusing.
Yep. GOPers reduced the payout benefits – for some BIZARRE & impenetrable reason, to businesses with OVER 50 employees…WTF? That’s about half the workforce EXCLUDED. Too bad, Tradies! You self employed spaciest, plumbers & hammerhands ? You’re on your own YO-YO. (watch what I said just now?
MORE, MORE, MORE! How do ya like it??
http://www.got-truth.com/docs/MORE%20MORE%20MORE%20How%20do%20ya%20like%20it.pdf
Did Barack or Michelle Obama ever serve as “Grunts”?
“Well, the one thing that you won’t like Private Snowball is that they don’t serve fried chicken and watermelon on a daily basis in the mess hall!”
The August 19 New York Times took note of another outbreak: “A considerable number of American negroes, who have gone to France on horse transports, have contracted Spanish influenza on shore and died in French hospitals of pneumonia.”
Did Barack or Michelle Obama ever serve as “Grunts”?
I’l wager that 99% of the inmates on here didn’t either – there is a lot of bone-spurs going around among the wing-nuts.
I’l wager that 99% of the inmates on here didn’t either (i.e. serve as “Grunts”) – Cargill
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I served* but you could hardly say I was a ‘Grunt”. I was an Accounting and Finance Officer and the closest I came to danger was getting my finger caught in the check signing machine.
*1962 – 1965 at Duluth AFB, up by Pete Atomic
I served in Uncle Sams canoe club and guess what that and a buck fifty gets me a cup of coffee what of it?
Did you serve cause I doubt you have ever served anyone but your own selfish interests.
Did you serve cause I doubt you have ever served anyone but your own selfish interests. – benr
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Not sure what you’re getting at with this^ sentence. I did my job and after serving my 3-year commitment (following 4 years in ROTC at St. Joe’s College, graduating as a 2nd Lt) I was honorably discharged. So, yeah, I served my country and it was in my own selfish interest to do so.
You sound a little pissed off. Why?
Not sure what you’re getting at with this^ sentence.
No it wasn’t directed at you Q.Shtik … even though it was placed below your post. It was directed at me (next level up) – you have to watch the little arrows, and the level of indentation.
It’s not the best forum format around, but it’s not too bad once you’re more familiar with it. I do wish you could edit your own post for say 15 minutes – to fix dreadful typos!
Should “Coal Burners” also practice “Social Distancing”?
“ Freetown, Sierra Leone, was a major coaling center on the West African coast, servicing ships traveling from Europe to South Africa and the Orient. On August 15 the HMS Mantua arrived there with two hundred crew suffering from influenza. Sweating black men loaded tons of coal into her, guided by several crew. When the laborers returned to their homes, they carried more than their wages. Soon influenza spread through the force of men who coaled the ships. And this influenza was not mild. On August 24, two natives died of pneumonia while many others were still sick. On August 27, the HMS Africa pulled into port. She too needed coal, but five hundred of the six hundred laborers of the Sierra Leone Coaling Company did not report to work that day. Her crew helped coal her, working side by side with African laborers. She carried a crew of 779. Within a few weeks, nearly six hundred were sick. And fifty-one were dead—7 percent of the entire crew died. The transport HMS Chepstow Castle, carrying troops from New Zealand to the front, coaled at Freetown on August 26 and 27; within three weeks, out of her 1,150 men, influenza struck down nine hundred of them. The death toll on her was thirty-eight. The Tahiti coaled at the same time; sixty-eight men aboard her died before she reached England, the same day as the Chepstow Castle. After docking, crew of the two ships suffered eight hundred more cases and 115 more deaths. In Sierra Leone itself, officials soon after estimated that influenza killed 3 percent of the entire African population, nearly all of them dying within the next few weeks. More recent evidence suggests that the death toll was most likely considerably more than that, possibly double that figure—or higher.”
Here in the Grand Canyon state we are not so bad off numbers wise. So far. Okay, so you have to see your doctor to get tested. I called the medical group where my doctor practices and found out that they have zero ability to test.
Then, after speaking to the Pima County Covid hotline, I was told that the following would be required to be tested:
Presence of fever
Coughing
Shortness of breath
Recent contact with a Confirmed Corona virus patient or
Recent travel to a high transmission area
Subsequently, after all the usual menu migraines, I found out that Quest Diagnostics would do the testing if they could only get the samples, which my doctor can’t provide. They could not tell me when he might be able to do so.
When I inquired as to how many tests the lab may have done, if any, I was told that was personal information and could not be divulged.
Our medical system is part of the disease.
Oh, embrace me now, Asclepius, Hygeia, and Panacea and save me from this malignant mighty-mite!
” hen I inquired as to how many tests the lab may have done, if any, I was told that was personal information and could not be divulged.” –Tucsonspur
The same situation here. Promises that diagnostic kits will arrive in the future but no date given. A date, a number, those are not “personal information” We have no idea how pervasive the virus is because no one is being tested. It’s like flying a plane without radar. Flying blind is possible, but not advisable.
Someone should file a lawsuit against Trump for criminal negligence leading to the death of hundreds of Americans.
Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t matter how many Americans Trump kills, he cannot be indicted, he cannot be tried, he cannot be convicted. He is immune in spite of how many Americans die from his negligence. Morning executive time, watching TV, lunch on Big Macs, obsessive tweeting, playing golf. But no actual acts of governance to save lives.
You’re still talking about the goddam test kits, Little Jane? Its the presidents’s job to supply you with a test kit? In 1944 did President Roosevelt have a supply of penicillin stashed at the White House? In 1862 did Lincoln keep laudunum in a shed out back? Jeezus Krist Little Jane Jim will be kicking you out of here again if you keep on boring everybody about the test kits.
Feed your cats. How many are you up to now, 50?
Is it OK if we label THE VIRUS the Asoka flu?
brh
The Asoka flu!
This is why I love you BRH!
It did come from a mud hut.
Sort of.
Yeah, Korea learned from the Mers outbreak:
“Within weeks of the current outbreak in Wuhan, China, four Korean companies had manufactured tests from a World Health Organization recipe and, as a result, the country quickly had a system that could assess 10,000 people a day.”
“The contrast to the United States, which tested a few thousand people in the weeks when health experts say the outbreak was spreading across this country, could not be more stark. Instead of using the template approved by the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention set out to create its own test from scratch, only to see that effort plagued by delay and dysfunction that continues to this day.”
And Trump fired the US pandemic response team in 2018.
“It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.”
Snopes
One of my favorites by RJ:
I had walked since dawn and lay down to rest on a bare hillside
Above the ocean. I saw through half-shut eyelids a vulture wheeling
high up in heaven,
And presently it passed again, but lower and nearer, its orbit
narrowing,
I understood then
That I was under inspection. I lay death-still and heard the flight-
feathers
Whistle above me and make their circle and come nearer.
I could see the naked red head between the great wings
Bear downward staring. I said, ‘My dear bird, we are wasting time
here.
These old bones will still work; they are not for you.’ But how
beautiful
he looked, gliding down
On those great sails; how beautiful he looked, veering away in the
sea-light
over the precipice. I tell you solemnly
That I was sorry to have disappointed him. To be eaten by that beak
and
become part of him, to share those wings and those eyes–
What a sublime end of one’s body, what an enskyment; what a life
after death.
An entrancing, ethereal, ‘enskyment’!
I wish I could fly too.
I would fly into the moonlight.
I would drift along carelessly with the clouds and dive through the heavens with comets and shooting stars.
Twirling along in this timeless expanse of space.
Free me from the Earth, I wish to escape.
But alone I will not be and fear cannot have me, for whether it’s in a beam of light or the deepest part of the night, I always see your face.
Beautiful. Yes, ‘stop the world, I want to get off.’ I’m flying with the moonbeams, soaring to the stars, let me know what….oh, excuse me, I’m gushing.
SSL should like this one:
Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning’s hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry;
I am not there. I did not die.
Mary Elizabeth Frye
You have a well-tuned appreciation of sublime poetry. Who woulda thunk?
So you too have the sense that’s keen, hi rollin’ gambler from the town called Bean!
You’re too much!
From the sublime to the…
https://cdn.britannica.com/54/137454-050-D7F0C047/Mel-Gibson-Braveheart.jpg
They may take our lives, but they will never take our toilet paper…
If you have ever been to India, you should know toilet paper is not necessary at all. With water, there is less friction against the skin. No matter how soft the toilet paper is, you still have to scrub it against your skin. Water is a boon for people who are sensitive to toilet paper. … Just like that, wiping poop with a dry toilet paper is not going to actually clean the area well.
Yes, and I’ve seen the fetid waters full of poop in the slums of Mumbai. While it’s pretty horrific, I don’t think a load of toilet paper would improve it!
Don’t they have pooper scoopers?
Majella,
…Up the Ganges without an air freshener….
No need to go to Mumbai any more, California streets suffice.
Poop is the least of the problems they poorly burn the bodies and into their water supply they go.
Yep right into the rivers.
“If you have ever been to India, you should know toilet paper is not necessary at all.”
Willing to bet there’s not a single person on this site who has less toilet paper in reserve than I have. 🙂
With the possible exception of one sporadic Canadian contributor. I already have plans for a simple alternative.
In Arab countries there’s long been a preference for water too.
I recall visiting Palmyra in 2006 or 7, before Syria became briefly a serious tourist destination. Because it was late September there were no other tourists there apart from our little group of about 20. But there were the usual tourist-site attributes of a small bunch of locals – including their cute kids, and their colourfully attired camels – selling tourist tat like tea towels (unintended alliteration). A woman spotted me using a paper tissue from a small packet and asked if she could have the rest for her baby (I didn’t ask which end and I don’t recall if she used a bit of English or just gestures). I gave her the remains of the pack and dug out another one that I had in my bag.
I’m guessing toilet paper wasn’t a thing for them either.
Whats with the smiley face icon?
Who gives a rats ass about your commode?
Who gives a rats ass about your commode?
About the same who give a rat’s ass about your malevolent racism. It is hardly your place to comment on GA’s posts … you need to learn (and earn) some respect.
But perhaps it’s a concept that’s foreign to you. Have a great day, comrade.
Malthuss,
We DO give a rat’s ass regarding gratuitous insults. Your post was not well received.
Ha! Did you read that bidet sales are skyrocketing?
Actually all you are is worm food. The rest of it is pure bullshit. Right?
Worms ? Ducks ? People (circle of life 🙂 )
http://www.arbarama.com/durc/songs/ilkley.html
On Ilkley Moor bar t’at = On Ilkley Moor without a hat.
Question mark was meant to be an arrow … didn’t work.
The Laura Ingraham show tries to dupe viewers, puts the spin on Trump cuts at NSC. She’s right on some things, very wrong on others.
See the truth here Laura:
https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200315/capitol-insider–trump-lsquodidnrsquot-knowrsquo-about-cutting-pandemic-office-but-sherrod-brown-letter-shows-otherwise
On the Senate floor last week, Brown said, “We unilaterally disarmed against the world’s infectious diseases.”
When reporters asked Trump about shortcomings in testing and other areas cited by members of his own administration, he replied, “I don’t take responsibility at all.”
If nothing changes, the TWATs, the independents and minorities will defeat Trump in November and Biden will win.
I totally agree. He realizes it I believe based on how he was acting yesterday. And did you hear that Governor Cuomo and Governor Newsom have good things to say about him? So I think he is taking steps to right the wrongs of the early and very botched responses. I still wonder if we really are going to have an election by November given some of the predictions.
Who knows. Biden 11642, Trump….? Who wins the electoral college?
One step forward three steps back………..
DOW Futures down 862 at 12:48 am on March 18th.
Wild ride Q, everythings down big time. The gold/silver ratio is 124, unbelievable. Everybody is out of stock for silver, yea right. They’re not selling is more like it. If they are selling it is at unheard of premiums. I keep the below site up all the time, it refreshes constantly and covers just about everything.Markets, commodities, bond rates, currencies, etc.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodities
An hour or two ago the markets had another 15 minute “circuit breaker” trading halt based on the S&P 500 having hit 7% down. I’m wondering if the markets will be halted AGAIN today. I don’t think we have EVER reached the two halts level before. There’s an hour and 20 mins left in the trading day. The S&P would have to get to minus 13%. It’s possible.
Looks like we’ll be back to playing horseshoes in the yard, and spending lazy summer days fishing in the local creek … this Asoka Flu might work to our advantage after all.
Getting back to basics, I’m kind of looking forward to it. As long as the essentials are available — shells, bait, beer and gasoline — we’ll do fine here at the ranch.
Brh
Marlin, I went to the bank yesterday, a small locally owned job, to pick up a couple G’s walking around money for the lockdown. Sally had a drawer overflowing with cash. I said” What’s with all the cash?” She said she couldn’t keep up with demand. After that I went to the gun shop to pick up some 38’s for a revolver class I am supposed to attend Sat. , if they have it. I got the last two boxes. Girl says the place has been crazy. Strange times indeed. So far I have seen one person with a mask on. One verified case of the Corvid in my county out of 470,000 people.
Are you a racist? a gun nut? a hoarder?
Water man was here today, would not give me an extra bottle.
“Are you a racist? a gun nut? a hoarder?”
Malthuss,
You are really on a roll today.
You should have blasted him with your water pistol.
Hey Malth, I’ve got a bottle of water. For 200 bucks it’s yours. I also have beaucoup toilet paper. Very lightly used, by a little old lady, only on Sunday after church.
I have been in enjoying things here in NRW. Working from home for the next 8 weeks, spending lunch time eating with my 5-year-old at his kiddie table in the garden.
Temps. warming up. No sign of any residual seasonal flu here yet.
Until something breaks with the virus, the momentum is down. Ie, fear outweighs faith.
Think of the sailors away at sea
And what may bring them misery
Braving the oceans and braving the waves
Being put stealthily into their graves
“In short: backstop/bailout everyone”
“Summarizing the above is simple: Pozsar is basically recapping what we said in “The World Is Hit With A $12 Trillion Dollar Margin Call”, and explains that to fix this potentially catastrophic margin call, the Fed must grant access to virtually every global entity in need of dollars, including those shadow banks which over the past decade scramble to lever themselves to the gills, fully aware that when the day came, the Fed would bail them out.”
Can you believe this shit? Here’s the article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/zoltan-stares-abyss-fed-has-failed-here-what-powell-must-do-right-now-avoid-catastrophe
So where do you hide your dough?
Yes, too big to fail became a rational expectation after 2008. TINA applies – there is no alternative – other than the unthinkable: catastrophic debt deflation and total systemic reset. Among other things, that would likely undo US Dollar hegemony (or whatever its replacement would be called) going forward, absent the US threatening the world with nuclear Armageddon or something similarly outlandish.
In the same vein, Germany and the ECB have taken a hard line with the EU periphery countries, Italy most notably currently, so the Fed is in all likelihood the last remaining backstop out there, very possibly by design.
So somewhere today skimmed by an article asserting that chance were high Trump did test positive for Corona. They said watch for how many people he is seen to be in contact with the next two weeks and how much he stays tucked away etc.
Also some are saying he looks chastened in public. A real change in demeanor.
I have no opinion about that myself because I have watched TV atall.
But tonight I got to thinking about that and it occurred to me that sticking Pence suddenly in such a frontline position despite his terrible qualifications could have been bringing the next batter up to the…what’s it called? the “bull pit”??? Uno what Imeen
Pence has been kept so low profile during trump’s reign he’s almost as irrelevant as Melania. Nobody is going to be in the spotlight but trump then suddenly Pence is put in a high profile position where he could easily steal the spotlight. If nothing else by making it more apparent trump is elbowing him in the face, he draws more attention than he’s ever gotten in three years.
I will bet you believe everything the MSM tells you as long as it is anti-Trump. Too bad your attitudes are shaped by a lot of mealy mouthed political pundit wannabes instead of your own sense.
Hegelian dialectic: Problem. Reaction. Solution.
http://www.got-truth.com/docs/Hegelian%20dialectic%20Problem%20Reaction%20Solution.pdf
Bernie Sanders: “I need your support. The Establishment is fighting us. Joe Biden is a good friend of mine. Joe Biden can beat Trump. Send me $5 bucks, $10 bucks, $20 bucks. Whatever you can spare for the Movement. And get out there and wait in long lines to vote and volunteer and expose yourself to the Covid 19 virus, particularly if you’re over 65. I won’t be going outside. The Movement needs you. Medicare-for-All. Joe Biden is a good friend of mine. Thank you.”
He hasn’t given up the ghost yet?
I am on you tube. The ad for the Census has a ‘Gary Coleman’ type Black boy talking with 2 Blonde girls.
Predictive programming.
Elsewhere someone posts,
I’ve noticed a lot of those ads for old people’s meds, burial insurance etc feature mulatto grandchildren.
Always White grandparents.
Is she a “Coal Burner”? Does her pussy produce a lot of “Greenhouse Gases”?
The ad for the Census has a ‘Gary Coleman’ type Black boy talking with 2 Blonde girls. Predictive programming.
Do you have a problem with that?
The greatest risk is that like the Spanish Flu, the second wave of the Covid 19 virus which will likely come in the Fall will be much more lethal. So they may need to let enough of it blow through now in its milder form so that a sufficient number of the herd have immunity so that it creates a natural firewall like those large swaths cut through the forest to be a barrier to forest fires. Ironically, China could still be at risk next Fall if the Chinese were too effective in locking down their population in the first wave? Or maybe the Chinese will leave the hyper surveillance totalitarian measures in place and the constant monitoring and quarantine camps will become part of people’s “normal lives in a new weird Dystopia?
It’s an interesting thought because I have a feeling you are correct. If China’s numbers are anywhere close to reality then a very very tiny fraction of their overall population was even exposed to the virus. Their population will be in greater danger compared to the rest of the world where it clearly appears the virus will eventually make its way into every little nook and cranny. If the second wave of the pandemic is more serious and virulent then China could be in trouble. They will literally have to be on lockdown for years because this virus is not going away at this point until the herd immunity is built up as you say and/or until they can make a real vaccine.
Is there any evidence of such an immunity? I’ve been hearing that there is Not.
Well I did hear that there was this woman, I believe in Japan, who had the virus and was symptomatic. Then she got over the symptoms and appeared to improve. And I believe upon the recovery she tested negative for the virus. Then at some point a few weeks later she tested positive again for the virus and appeared to show symptoms again. I haven’t heard anything else about that particular case or what may be the outcome though.
Silver is primarily an industrial metal, which is a major reason why the price has dropped. Miners are not mining silver now, too. Ultimately, as the virus situation gets worse, silver coins will be a good substitute for paper money after the dollar collapses, which will prove that silver holders are ultimately wise. The 120 to 1 gold/silver ratio probably won’t hold then. In a currency collapse, precious metals will shine.
I read a report yesterday from a link on Denninger’s website by British virus experts saying that by the time the epidemic runs its course (in about 18 months), 81% of the population will have had the virus and 2+ million Americans will have died. The death rate for my age bracket (70-79) will be 5%, with a hospitalization rate of 47%. The authors of the paper have impressive credentials. The best we can do now is moderate the spread of the virus in order to maximize the number of hospital beds available. An effective vaccine, if possible, would take 12-18 months to become available to the public.
Reality is a bitch!
Cuomo is on the tube as I write and is pretty much begging for ventilators, like someone has a stash hidden. He wants to ramp up production as if Joe Schmoe can start slapping them together in the barn with spit and duct tape.
He said today that NY is going to need twice the beds that are available today. Remember China putting up hospitals in 10 days in modular form. Where is our pro action?
School buildings might serve well as temporary hospitals, also hotels.
JohnAZ, to get the proactive measures you call for, you need to have some level of genuine leadership in the Administration. Too bad about that.
I saw a report on TV this morning that so many emergency agencies are still WAITING for instructions. Even the Army Corps of Engineers is sitting around with nothing to do. I’m pretty sure the ACE could put up the temporary hospitals you’re seeking, but until ‘someone’ in ‘authority’ instructs it, what CAN it do?
Consooom the Fake News. Barf it back out.
Ack!
We agree on this. I do not understand the under estimation by the entire government on this. I wonder if it isn’t a belief that the plague is impossible to deal with and we will do just enough to keep public reaction under control. I watched the Chinese react with total shutdown, is this western civilizations reluctance to impede civil liberties at work?
I do not know. I do know the disease is still spreading- winning.
NigIQwl:
“Consooom the Fake News. Barf it back out.”
Please, enlighten me. Where’s your evidence that this publically broadcast statement was ‘fake news’?
You really are a stalwart for the WH PR team of The Gaslighter in Chief, President “If you believe it, it isn’t a lie” Costanza.
“The death rate for my age bracket (70-79) will be 5%, with a hospitalization rate of 47%. ”
If you are looking at the same report I am the % of symptomatic cases (age 70-79) requiring hospitalization is 24.3% while the % of those hospitalized requiring critical care is 43.2%, so that is .243X.432= 10.5% of symptomatic cases going into the ICU and about half of them dying.
“Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand”
.pdf, page 5 of 20
DOI: https://doi.org/10.25561/77482
One report said one out of twelves serious case will involve significant loss of lung function, probably permanent. The tissue is “frosted”.
Anything about that?
Not in that report. It was purely about managing numbers, “flattening the curve” as they say.
I haven’t heard numbers but I have heard as well that a portion of recovered are left with complications or issues. I have heard about reduced lung function too but am not sure about the frosted lungs part. It would make sense though that there would be visible damage to the lungs when they do x-rays if the lung function is reduced after infection.
The “frosted” reference is to the appearance of the lungs on an X-ray, i.e. opaque and white.
Yes, we are looking at the same report. You are referring to table 1. I can’t seem to find where I got the 47% hospitalization rate. Oh, well.
“my age bracket (70-79) will be 5%,”
Bill,
20 to 1. Great odds…I’ll take that bet any day.
…could be worse….
Yes, we are looking at the same report. You are referring to table 1. I can’t seem to find where I got the 47% hospitalization rate. Oh, well.
It could be better, too.
The number of Blacks compared to the Whites of old Rhodesia. The Whites wisely gave in and fled. Those who didn’t were likely to get butchered. Now the Blacks admit they blew and are trying to get the Whites to come back and feed them.
How about the infection rates and death rates for China?
Link?
Did you hear about Cardi B’s coronavirus rant LOL? She’s upset that her weave ain’t coming in on time, if it gets there at all. She said she ain’t going to lie she is getting scared. So now you know it has got to be bad :-). And can you believe they took a part of her rant and did this? Lockdowns can’t stop stupid lol. But it’s pretty hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqH5vmh6oJk
Well, looks like we’ll be getting back to the basics this summer, playing horseshoes in the backyard and fishing for perch in the local creek. This Asoka flu if nothing else is showing us what’s important and what ain’t. Young guys here don’t seem too worried they’re out in the garage working on a Wankel engine from an old Mazda, damndest thing I ever seen.
Brh
That wankel rotary engine is a screamer. Sucks gas like a 747!
Yeah, they’re wrenching on it. The young ones here are happier than pigs in sh#t because schools out. This Asoka Virus is the best thing that ever happened according to them.
The Day of Jubilee has arrived!
Brh
Just keep your distance. I’ve got a 6 foot folding Stanley carpenters ruler I use to keep my distance!
Don’t be a victim of the “Boomer Remover”
I think you’re right Brh. It already seems like all the stuff that people used to worry about was so silly. It just goes to show that some of the most important things in life are simple. All the bells and whistles are not needed after all.
Until it passes and everyone forgets.
Trump fired the Pandemic team.
No, if anyone did it was JohnBolton, by his own admission.
Not only that, two stories in the Washington post
One said I worked for the Pandemic office and it was never shut down.
The other, a holdover from Obama, said that she worked for the office and it was definitely shut down.
Believe who you want, it does not make a single bit of difference in fighting a virus that came out of the blue, its effects were hidden by China for a month, and is basically unstoppable. It was going to run its course no matter how many tests are run. Want to save some bucks? Stop testing altogether, mitigate to the nth degree like China and Italy, and let it run its course.
Testing is totally a political issue right now, with all the agencies wanting the public to think the agencies have some impact. A victim of this pandemic is the notion that socialized medicine is superior, it isn’t at all. The undersizing That the health care workers go through for cost control is catastrophic during crises. If a population opts for governmental health care, this is the trade off it gets, shortages of everything, MDs, Nurses, hospitals, clinics. We will see it here if the scourge really takes off, not yet happening. Medicare, Medicaid and the VA has already socialized a significant part of our health care and the cost control has reduced their manning levels to the point that shortages will impact our response. It already has.
To our Canadian friends leaving for home, good fortune and here is hoping the crud does not hit you much.
Don’t see the point in testing (for most, anyway) either. You test today and get a clean bill of health however many days later, then walk out the door and get infected, also not to be found out until days later. What good did the test do? You’d have to test everyone regularly, and even then, what good would it do unless you were in an area with a very high infection rate and the means to effectively quarantine all the new cases promptly?
According to epidemiologists, the worst thing we can do is have a suppression policy. We need a mitigation policy that will lead to a herd immunity.
Testing is a political exercise today. It should be a diagnostic tool, not a screen. Like the flu!
BTW, when I was nursing, we tested flu candidates regularly and treated them with anti-virals, with limited success. There has never been screens for flu.
Yes. the political response is a fortnight behind the times.
Yup, it is designed that way.
By the way, why in the world would you equate socialized medicine with downsizing for health care providers? That’s exactly what’s happening right now with the for profit system, as actual providers are considered a drain on profits. Costs are sky high right now because of the plethora of billing systems, administrative hurdles and costs, and of course CEO and Executive salaries and bonuses, which are all tied to stock market performance. Likewise, Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA have been privatizing hand over fist since at least the days of Bush the Lesser, so once again, you’ve got things completely ass-backward. I can’t believe you guys keep repeating this nonsense. Ideologue much? Not that you have anything to worry about anyway. Socialized medicine’s not coming to the US anytime soon (other than temporarily in response to CV), so you can rest easy. The insurance company will be sure to let you know when you’re no longer considered viable, at which time I’m sure you’ll be happy to let them see you out.
I watched the cut backs in my hospital when Obamacare and Medicare both cut back in the early 2010s. It made significant differences in staffing ratios and MD coverage.
Socialized medicine countries are famous for long MD lines, for long waits for elective surgery, the VA here is the same. Canadians come here for surgeries because they are delayed in Canada.
I personally believe that socialized medicine is inevitable as a result of TLE. This country does not have the capital to provide private care much longer. We will give up a lot of service when it happens, MDs and nurses will leave their profession, but it will probably be the only political option.
Why MDs and nurses leave? They leave when the personal risk and the liability malpractice risks are no longer offset by their compensation. In the world of the me-generation, mutual care empathy does not count for much.
BTW, the reduced health care systems in Europe are not coping real well with the virus. When America has to make the decision about socialized medicine, I hope the virus experience is brought out.
Obamacare has not the fist thing to do with socialized medicine – it was a blatant giveaway to the FIRE sector – and Medicare is cut back because they don’t reimburse exorbitantly like the insurance companies do. Of course that gets passed on to your insurance premiums in the latter case, which makes it almost invisible until once a year when you see how much your rates and co-pays have went up, and later when you find out the hard way how many procedures the insurance company will refuse to pay for and then send you a bill afterward. More in a minute…
Now, where was I? Oh yeah, back in the day one of your primary medical benefits was FREE government provided healthcare. Then along came ~2000, and lo and behold, we all got enrolled in Tricare for a small monthly charge and up town we went for anything that wasn’t totally routine. I wouldn’t doubt they’ve got rid of hospitals altogether on most military installations by now.
Nope, the FIRE sector as their snout in the hog trough and they ain’t goin’ away anytime soon no matter WHO you vote for. The purpose of the “death care” system is not to help people in the first place, it’s to make obscene profits for the .01% while they do their damnedest to get rid of everyone else. Working pretty damn good so far.
Yes and socializing medicine takes away the profit motive to keep people alive.
Win win for the globalist humanity hating eco warriors.
“Socialized medicine countries are famous for long MD lines”
And in the US there are no queues, because the people who don’t qualify for healthcare stay at home and die earlier than they needed to.
My mother’s widowed sister, who lived in Flushing, NY, had a heart condition and couldn’t afford her medication.
And that was after your country sent her older son back to her from Vietnam in a box.
Also, the for profit system is growing, but not with MDs. It is growing with NPs, physicians assistants, hospitals requiring their nurses to be BS educated, so that MDs can pass more responsibility down.
On a hospital visit a few months ago, my ER MD wasn’t an MD but a physician’s assistant. BTW, the service was much better.
Yeah, MD’s are the new elite. They cost too much to compensate, so voila!, more PAs and NPs.
“We will see it here if the scourge really takes off, not yet happening.”
A comment from a UK doctors’ blog:
“If the people in your area can’t get soap or sanitiser because you’ve got so much hoarded in your garage, you’re actually making your chances of getting the virus greater.”
This might be analagous to a healthcare system where a huge quantity of people don’t have medical insurance. Or sick pay. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I don’t see it as a competition anyway.
California has a very generous Disability Insurance payment system.
“SACRAMENTO, Calif. – It’s likely “few if any” California schools will reopen before summer break, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Tuesday as he provided a stark assessment of the implications from the spreading coronavirus that threatens to overwhelm the state’s hospitals and drain its spending reserves.
While urging Californians to stay united and promising “we will get back to the life that we have lived,” Newsom also acknowledged much is unknown and so the state is preparing for frightening worst-case scenarios. He put the California National Guard on alert for duties that include humanitarian missions like ensuring proper food distribution and public safety as some grocery stores resorted to rationing to control panic buying.“
Reality is a bitch. And it overcomes politics eventually.
“and public safety”
Sounds benign, don’t it?
Serious and capable people, coincidently(!) of lighter skin, will continue their children’s lessons at home. The others will not – and they wouldn’t have learned them at school either in all probability.
School’s out forever! The people will benefit a hundred fold….
In Hartford and New Haven, the school systems provide all 3 daily meals; now that school is out the question is being asked: “who will feed the children?” Social Service agencies are springing into action, donations are being solicited. Nobody once suggested that any mothers maybe cook breakfast or lunch for their kids. This may be the first time in human history mothers can’t, won’t, and are not expected to take care of their own children.
Brh
“who will feed the children?” – BRH
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In ebonics that’s “who will feed the chirren?”
Really now? And how many two earner families – the new gold standard, especially for upscale whites – have time for that kind of shit? Get a grip, Janos!
Some of them will be home now. Or they can hire educated cadres like me. I will teach them what they need to know.
they can hire educated cadres like me. I will teach them what they need to know. – Janos
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I found this,
a 2008 type crash (50 to 90% plunge) for the last 3 years now.
I’ve written here about that dozens of times, referring to the Plunge Protection Team creating this mess.
Dozens of events should’ve made this happen already, but it got papered up. It was obvious it was going to happen sooner or later.
You can’t support the stock market by creating trillions out of thin air, and then use it all for stock buybacks.
IPO’s (i.e. like Tilray $300 a share – now $3) for tens of billions for stocks that will never make any money.
Chipotle $1000, Uber, Lyft, Facebook (needs 4 more earths to be profitable. Tesla worth more than Mercedes Benz, BMW, Ford and GM combined.
All of these companies with nothing but losses, or p/e ratios of 200 to 1000. The list is endless. The stock market has been a giant bubble for years now, POP POP & POP!!!
Tilray is a global leader in cannabis research, cultivation, processing and distribution. We aspire to lead, legitimize and define the future of our industry by building the world’s most trusted cannabis and hemp company.
I bet hemp is really good investment.
How much ya want?
Henry Ford used hemp seed oil to power his diesels back in the day.
The past shows us our future!
Biodiesel and hybrids!
The stock market is the 1/8 of the iceberg that we can see above water. The 7/8 below of the economy is starting to melt and quickly exponentially. Mnuchin just announced a projected unemployment rate of 20%. That is Great Depression levels. The market is still dropping at greater than 1000 pts a day rates. A huge indicator is oil, at $22 today. The future indicators all point at a catastrophe. Europe is shut down and we are on our way. Printing money to hand to everyone is not going to help much. Maybe Andrew Yang needs to get back in the Dem race.
BTW, where are all the JHK bashers that have poo-pooed his forecasts for years. I have not heard much from them lately.
About time to dust off everybody’s copy of The Long Emergency.
The market has lost Trillions in value. Where did it go? Was it ever there? I really don’t understand it at all. It’s just like monopoly money isn’t it? I don’t play but those that do are crying. They rubbed my nose in it for years. I told them they really did not have any money until they sold. People say don’t sell when it’s down. how low will it go? Somebody must be making a lot of money off this some how.
No, it was never really there at all. Purely notional wealth.
It’ as real as the amount of money you’ve made on your house since you bought it but before you’ve sold it.
Money itself is only paper without the faith in its value.
Remember JHK, real wealth’s label is in man hours. Dollars are a construct. This nation has forgotten this. Houses of cards are easy to build and collapse just as easy.
Printing money to hand to everyone is not going to help much. –JohnAZ
Maybe instead of giving it to “everyone” we could just give the money to the richest people, to corporations, to banks, to CEOs. We’ll call them “job creators” to justify giving them free money.
Then we’ll invent a theory that, as “job creators,” the 1% creates wealth that will trickle down. The rubes, the 99%, might then stop asking that “everyone” be given money. This bait and switch will probably last for 50 years before the rubes catch on. The poor just have to be patient and wait for the trickle down generated by the 1%.
Meanwhile, everyone in the 1% is guaranteed welfare payments from the government (when it’s for the 1% it is not called welfare, it is called subsidies, bailouts, tax breaks, loopholes, bonuses, deductibility caps, etc.) Then, to add insult to injury, we will call the poor the “takers” to deflect attention from the 1% as we, the true takers, rake in the trillions.
The Republican Way: Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor.
Yipee! Free money! I wonder how much and for how long?
Yeah, little kids want their Maypo, I want my moolah!
I need it so I can help support everything.
Yes, much of what you say is true.
On the Laffer curve and taxes:
“There has never been a conclusive study that demonstrates a connection between lowered tax rates on the wealthy and GDP growth or increased tax receipts. During the 1940s and the 1970s, the top marginal tax rate was anywhere between 70 percent and 94 percent. In this same period, we experienced the largest GDP growth our country has ever seen, and we were able to invest in the future of our children, economy and environment.
After the 1980s, when the top marginal tax rate began its steady decline, we haven’t seen nearly the GDP gains that we saw during our post-World War II boom. Currently, our top marginal tax rate rests at 39.6 percent.” Lower now.
Full article:
https://ctmirror.org/category/ct-viewpoints/why-the-laffer-curve-is-garbage/
He literally popularized it on the back of a cocktail napkin. Recognize some other familiar names here too?:
The Laffer curve was popularized in the United States with policymakers following an afternoon meeting with Ford Administration officials Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in 1974, in which Arthur Laffer reportedly sketched the curve on a napkin to illustrate his argument.[6] The term “Laffer curve” was coined by Jude Wanniski, who was also present at the meeting. The basic concept was not new; Laffer himself notes antecedents in the writings of the 14th-century social philosopher Ibn Khaldun and others.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
It’s one of those ideas that’s so grossly oversimplified and so patently misused in practice that only a PhD Economist and an craven politician could possibly believe it in the first place. And not too many of those either.
I wonder what Fermi would have thought of it?
What’s your blood type?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8122493/People-Type-blood-likely-catch-coronavirus.html
I got that link from Greg Ellifritz blog, he also gives a plug for JHK’s new book.
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/unique-perspectives-on-covid-19-part-2?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActiveResponseTraining+%28Active+Response+Training%29
I read a book that tied blood type into geographic area that the blood type originated in and the food that supported the people that the blood type arose in. The book was about that people of certain blood types should be eating certain types of food for maximum health.
Hmmm. Could it be it also affects the signatures of the immune systems, ie its DNA signature of “self”.
Dr. Oz telling the spring breakers in Florida that their ignoring the social distancing rules is incredibly wrong. Here is a good idea.
Isolate Florida like Canada, do not let these idiots back into the US unless they have 14 day quarantine upon return. Trump is close to isolating areas of the US with restricted travel, here is a good first candidate.
Maybe it was the other way around? Maybe Canada isolated the USA, but it appears both governments will need to employ further intervention. In Canada this is called ” The Emergency Measures Act”, or what used to be called the ‘War Measures Act”, but we got rid of the ‘war’ word because it didn’t play well to Canadian niceness.
Having just read a credible (March 16), official british medical report that states even in the best case scenario emergency surge capacity limits (general and icu) will still be exceeded 8 times over and 1.1 to 1.2 million americans will not survive. I expect a similar percentage number is expected in Canada based on population. In any case the border closing comes as a tremendous relief. People don’t seem to understand this isn’t some terrible dream they are in. It’s real.
even in the best case scenario emergency surge capacity limits (general and icu) will still be exceeded 8 times over and 1.1 to 1.2 million americans will not survive.
Over what timescale is this – a year?
And while a death rate of 0.375% sounds a lot, if many or most of the deaths are among the elderly with other medical issues, does the figure discount for people who would have been very likely to die in the next year or so anyway?
Not being callous, just my natural tendency to want to dig behind expert statistics.
What are the stats for Australia?
What are the stats for Australia?
Total Cases (at 18 March): 565
New Cases (today): 110
Total Deaths (at 18 March): 6
New Deaths (today): 1
Australia is several weeks behind Italy, etc, so we haven’t yet hit the steep part of the up curve. But 110 new cases is a “spike”.
Self-isolation, social distancing, ban on crowds, sport in closed stadiums, no non-essential travel, cruise ship bans – the normal things are in place, short of lock-down.
Thanks. I read an article that noted that the vast majority of the epidemic was above the Tropic of Cancer. I noticed that looking at the map. Temperate northern hemisphere! Does heat and cold affect this bug? I wish more work was being done on finding its limitations. For example, if we knew that when the temperature gets above 70 degrees this virus dies, we would know that it’s days are numbered and the temporary closures would go away. Also, will it come back when the temps go back down? If so, we better kick the vaccine in the butt so we have it this fall.
Good fortune and keep healthy!
By mid to late April you won’t need any statistics, it will be completely self evident. Think Tsunami.
Not sure how that will play out in USA with all the guns. It’s different here. I am 63 years old. Have lived in three of Canada’s big cities all my life. I have never known a person in my life who has owned a handgun. Not trying to be funny or judgemental. Just a fact. Never. I keep wondering how people will react when reality finally sinks in. You won’t be able to shoot your way out of this one. It’s all about beds and ventilators. Do everything you can to increase your lung capacity.
Interstate travel ban should have already been put in place. Trump cut the pandemic team at NSC. It is important to know who’s fucking things up.
Trump didn’t, Bolton did. Quit bringing out old superfluous news. The reactivating time was too long, but it is humming now. We need to put some form of quicker reaction group in Washington.
Interstate travel ban will put the next level of crunch on the economy and alienate this country even more. The haters will love it.
And Bolton worked for Trump. Can’t have it both ways.
Touche!
Trump is the presidential equivalent of Sgt. Schultz. “I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing.”
Interstate travel ban will put the next level of crunch on the economy and alienate this country even more. The haters will love it.
And quit bringing out old superfluous slurs.
People with whom you do not share similar political views are not “haters” – you’re like the redneck red-raggers who actually believe that only Republicans are Americans and love their country.
Palpable nonsense. People who passionately want Trump out love their country the most.
Baloney!!
How would you even know since you have told us your an “Australian” that BS meter pegs non-stop with you.
This song is for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMpknVt2k
Here is a video of Trump admitting that he didn’t need the pandemic response team.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html
Just one question today then I’m out of here.
Is it MAGA time yet?
ps – interview I just heard on radio with some disease control important person saying except for UK. U.S. handling of corona virus situation the very worst in the world.
But you all already knew that.
I guess that is why our incidence and death rates are still low, right?
Socialized medicine is dead after this pandemic, I would not be surprised to see other countries redo their plans after the fiasco.
And by how much do you think your premiums will have to go up, JohnAZ, to make up the insurance companies’ losses? At some stage your system has to implode.
Perhaps we’ll see more hybrid versions.
Remember my idea a year ago was hybrid systems with varying payment ratios 80/20, on a Medicare fo all basis. The payment ratios would change per age group with voluntary advantage plans available through private insurance to buy more coverage if desired.
Socialized medicine is dead after this pandemic
It will be the reverse – the ideology of “private” health systems will be exposed for the outrageous money-making rackets that they are. National single-desk health schemes with optional additional private health cover work very well – and are a huge social good.
The crony capitalism of the US system will be dead – Medicare for all is the future, however long it takes.
Your opinion, you better hope that Europe survives their debacle that is happening or it will never get a second chance here.
Printing money to hand to everyone is not going to help much. –JohnAZ
Maybe instead of giving it to “everyone” we could just give the money to the richest people, to corporations, to banks, to CEOs. We’ll call them “job creators” to justify giving them free money.
Then we’ll invent a theory that, as “job creators,” the 1% creates wealth that will trickle down. The rubes, the 99%, might then stop asking that “everyone” be given money. (This bait and switch will probably last for 50 years before the rubes catch on.) The poor just have to be patient and wait for the trickle down generated by the 1%.
Meanwhile, everyone in the 1% is guaranteed welfare payments from the government (when it’s for the 1% it is not called welfare, it is called subsidies, bailouts, tax breaks, loopholes, bonuses, deductibility caps, etc.) Then, to add insult to injury, we will call the poor the “takers” to deflect attention from the the true takers, the 1%, who continue to rake in trillions of the taxpayers’ dollars.
The Republican Way: Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor.
In any event, for the rubes the 1% will not make “giving money to everyone” a permanent arrangement, like their tax breaks. They will make it a one-time payment, largely symbolic, say $1,000, instead of making it $4,000 a month for 18 months, or until a vaccine is developed.
Little Jane,
I’m a rube, looking forward to getting my $1000 check in the mail, probably go down and buy that new S&W revolver I’ve been wanting. $1000 will just about cover it.
Can we thank you for this ‘Asoka Virus’? Asoka, does that name sound familiar haha?
Brh
instead of making it $4,000 a month for 18 month – wpa
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Would this be your recommendation? It comes to $23.04 trillion (or is that quadrillions, I’m not sure).
4,000 x 18 X 320,000,000 = 23,040,000,000,000
No, it’s ‘trillion’.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Fed has already ‘cut new paper’ of that sort of level to keep the vile derivatives market from imploding.
It became apparent some years after the 2008/09 meltdown that the publically visible $700 billion bank bail-out was just the tip of the iceberg.
But it wouldn’t ‘do’ to create that sort (amount) of ‘money’ for the poor schmucks. Ha! No way.
You better look. The plan that is evolving involved fixed amounts for everyone.
Yesterday I mentioned that my home town has its first C-Virus case. I found out that the person is an orthodox Jew. It is understandable since hardly a day goes by that is not some occasion for crowding together in Temple or elsewhere.
Still giving you a hard time, eh? No wonder you feel as you do.
Still giving you a hard time, eh? No wonder you feel as you do. – Janos
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I have no idea what you mean. Feel as I do about what?
as time wears on, he speaks in riddles and insider jokes.
He used to know what that meant, but his brain has deleted it. What can I do?
You’re tired of me is all. Oh boo hoo. Imagine how bad it will be when we’re in the same cell.
Is it my limitations that are showing – or yours?
@janos
All I know is you get top bunk and no stepping on my mattress, sheets and blankets.
“Monetize Everything!”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-03-18/bernanke-and-yellen-tell-fed-monetize-everything
And then:
“The world economic and financial markets have entered into a crippling cannibalization of the system in which few are prepared. While the politicians, financial analysts, and media are providing optimistic forecasts for the future, they continue to underestimate the seriousness of the global contagion. Thus, after a week or two, these forecasts will be revised lower (once again) to reflect a more gloomy, negative and more realistic outlook.
So, in another a few weeks, the world as it pertains to this contagion will look a lot worse than it does today. I’d imagine the Dow Jones Index will likely shed another 5-8,000+ points during this period. Also, the global supply chain disruptions will kick into high gear as month-long lockdowns in various countries finally impact manufacturers and retailers across the world.”
See it here:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-03-18/massive-surge-physical-silver-buying-totally-distorted-broken-markets
Your DJIA forecast may be optimistic. There is no bottom in sight and as long as the world numbers keep going higher, it will not form a bottom.
Another victim, just in time inventory control, works great in smooth sailing, sucks in emergencies.
I am a blue collar front line hospital employee, next week I hit 40 years of service. Years back we had a massive store room/stock room in the hospital sub basement. Our supervisor would brag, do not fear blizzards we are stocked for 3 months. They got rid of that, and even during minor storms, the trucks would be delayed and shortages would appear. NOW I am at work in the e.d., running low on all glove sizes, masks, gowns, but other than that, what me worry!
Yep, and the bankruptcies and requests for bailout $$ will mount. Boeing already has their hand out for a cool $60B, and that will hardly be their final request.
And tell me, where is this “money” coming from?
If any company uses the bailouts for buying stock or voting themselves raises, they should have the money rescinded. The money is to support employees and keep the lines running.
If any company uses the bailouts for buying stock or voting themselves raises, they should have the money rescinded. –JohnAZ
And who is going to monitor that? And once the money has gone into stock buybacks and CEO raises, how are you going to “rescind” the money?
The money, once it leaves government coffers, can be spent however the multinational wants to spend it. Or is there legislation, with teeth in it, that says otherwise?
Rescinded by no more tax breaks, preferential treatment in the future,
If there is a future.
The mayhem is over. They have a clinically successful vaccine.
BREAKING RESEARCH FROM CLINICAL TRIAL on HCQ + azithromycin in treatment of COVID-19. 100% of patients with COVID-19 were virologically cured after 6 DAYS of treatment.
p-value <0.0001
Yea but the cure might be as bad as the virus I know some people who got a z-max pack and have some very serious health issue due to the Anti-biotic!
They have a clinically successful vaccine.
Big difference between a vaccine and a treatment for people with the infection.
Yeah, but this should remove the fear from people and hopefully things will go back to normal shortly.
MSM Fake News fail in two acts:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/15/world/europe/15reuters-health-coronavirus-germany-usa.html
https://www.winway.me/health-care/curevac-denies-reports-that-trump-admin-sought-to-acquire-covid-19-vaccine-rights/
“To make it clear again on coronavirus: CureVac has not received from the U.S. government or related entities an offer before, during and since the Task Force meeting in the White House on March 2,” the tweet read. “CureVac rejects all allegations from the press.”
As always, for all MSM Fake News products, unseal the Fake news, give the Fake News about 48 hours to settle, and enjoy the rich, delicious self-ownage.
LOL.
“CureVac rejects all allegations from the press.”
Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?
Cargill – haven’t you figured out that a simple denial is sufficient evidence for NigIQwl, IF it suits his narrative.
The cherry on top was the “anonymous source.”
LOL.
Also, the global supply chain disruptions will kick into high gear –tucsonspur
Already happening. I went to Walmart today to buy bread and found row after row of empty shelves where bread used to be. Walmart here is also reducing its hours by half. TLE progressing well.
With the relentless and continuing carnage in the stock & commodity markets, I find myself wondering how all this is affecting the vast and shadowy derivatives market.
Surely it’s being eaten alive, but there is no apparent – by which I mean ‘public’ – reporting on this.
Is everything actually all okay over there in ‘zero-sum-game’ land? Has the Fed minted a $10 trillion dollar coin, on the quiet, to ‘fix’ it all?
We’re looking at a Zimbabwean fix.
that is no fix at all… The best performing stock market is that
in Venezuela..
Good lord! How big is a $10 trillion dollar coin?
Do you remember who went short on the US economy a few years ago? Georgie Porgie Soros, to the tune of billions. He is laughing his ass off these days. Along with his globalist pals who are probably planning further plays against the country now. I hope he catches the virus.
Do you remember who went short on the US economy a few years ago? – JohnAZ
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Do you mean ‘shorted the market?’
How does one ‘short the economy?”
I’ll assume you meant ‘shorted the market.’
If I shorted the market would that make me a bad person? Is a person only allowed to BUY the market? You do realize that for every sell transaction there must be a buyer and vice versa? Right?
In the interests of resource management, it could be made as small as just twice the size of an old Silver Dollar.
“Soros” didn’t short the US Economy…he shorted the British pound. But his ‘short’ play wasn’t what CAUSED the massive devaluation – that devaluation was simply the result of disastrous policy settings to do with the European Exchange Rate Mechanism.
I’m sure if Himself had been clued into the play, he’d have taken a slice and called himself ‘smart’. Being your hero, that would be okay, but when it’s your imaginary global bete-noir, Soros, you fume & froth at the mouth.
I live in a small town of 1500 people 100 kms from Melbourne. Yesterday 4 tour buses arrived from Melbourne and 200 people descended on our supermarket and stripped the shelves of everything. Not. One. Foodstuff. Left
Dr Jennifer Keast via Twitter
A raid by the Urbanites! What say you Southrons? Paradise lost!
And btw, Abos hate African Immigrants with a passion. But of course, why wouldn’t they? The hate everyone else too. Blacks are people after all, kind of. But are Abos? Why do they look like that, then? As one honest man said, “I’ve never seen an attractive Aborigin.”.
Genetically, they are closer to us than the Negroes. What happened? Did they run into a large population of Homo Erectus?
You really are a venal little racist troll, aren’t you Janos?
A Maori was once taken to see the Abos: He concluded that they were vermin.
A Tahitian saw them and commented ‘savages.’
The Abos are Africans. Geneticists have figured out when they left the mother land and from what area.
Malthuss –
“The Abos are Africans. Geneticists have figured out when they left the mother land and from what area.”
Oh, yeah? So where’s the link to this the weirdo nut-job website that promotes this fabulist piece of utter bullshit?
The Abos are Africans. Geneticists have figured out when they left the mother land and from what area.
Indeed Indigenous Australians are Out of Africa – just like we all are! And Indigenous Australians were in Australia for tens of thousands of years before Europe was even habitable.
You’re an African too comrade … everyone is.
Yeah, got a link? I’ve never heard that either except in the general sense that Cargill refers to. “Traditional” racial wisdom states that when the left Africa, they went East, staying close to the Indian Ocean and the warm climates. There are many Australoid types in India for example. Again, less than Australia, but the pure ones seemed mixed with something else. But compare them with the Andaman Islanders, none of that whatsoever. Very good looking, small black people. No mixture with Homo Erectus – none of the heavy eye ridge thing.
Obviously many of the Dravidians are mixed with later arrivals, and are brownish. I’m not talking about them. They’re the majority of the Hindu population.
Most people move around, the Australian aborigines stayed …
[Search domain http://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/most-people-move-around-australian-aborigines-stayed-put-for-50-000-years-1.5446242%5D https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/most-people-move-around-australian-aborigines-stayed-put-for-50-000-years-1.5446242
The analysis showed that like all known human populations today, the aboriginal Australians descended from the Homo sapiens group that left Africa about 60,000 years ago. A group of them crossed into Asia and from them, a single founding population arrived in Australia 50,000 years ago, back when Australia was still connected to New Guinea …
https://www.quora.com/Are-Africans-and-Australian-aborigines-of-the-same-race?share=1
Yeah, that’s not news. Negroes may be Africans but not all Africans are Negroes – then or now. In fact, Negroes per se may be a fairly late development, a new form of paleolithic man, a successful cross between Homo Sapiens and more ancient hominids, well adapted for the tropical environment but without the higher IQ that came from living outside the tropics.
Despite the black skin, Abos are even further away from Negroes then we are, genetically speaking. Mind blowing I know. Despite the low IQ and propensity for mayhem as well.
A Maori, when shown your posts hereabouts, would conclude the same thing about you.
I live in a small town of 1500 people 100 kms from Melbourne. Yesterday 4 tour buses arrived from Melbourne and 200 people descended on our supermarket and stripped the shelves of everything. Not. One. Foodstuff. Left
This has happened in Victoria (in small doses, it should be said), and it’s pretty awful.
I guessed people are pumped up in case this coronavirus crisis goes the distance, and city supermarkets are threadbare – and despite the general brilliance of our island continent, there are lot of very dumb and neurotic people here – probably 5% of the US percentage, but still enough to fill a few tour buses.
And at least they don’t carry guns.
I just ignore the racist trolling @Majella – as we used to say when we were kids – no point hitting back, because shit splatters.
The very scary thing is that he might not be a troll – he might actually believe the stuff he spews out – some people really are that bigoted indeed. But it would be nice if the forum had some moderation when this stuff lands on the page.
I expect he’s never been more than 100 miles from Podunk in his life.
Janos has a knowledge base that rivals anyones.
Sure, or he just makes shit up. It sounds so esoteric and potentially ‘true’, few dare to call him out.
LOL. You leave me speechless. Okay – maybe he’s been 150 miles from Podunk, but in his mind he’s never left his home.
Janos has a knowledge base that rivals anyones.
No-one is born a vile racist … did he learn it at his mommy’s knee? His daddy’s? Or did a good-lookin’ black dude steal his high school sweetheart, or did a Muslim guy asked for a Halal burger in the joint he works in?
Enquiring minds would like to know the source of all the hate.
What about the Raid as described by Dr Keast? Not going to comment on that, right mein Herr?
This is for Janos…do White 2 year olds choose Black dolls
over White or green dolls?
No! The White Doll is the pretty Doll! This Knowledge is innate: the ones who go to school with Whites choose the White doll even more than those who don’t. Thus the whole rationale for bussing was spurious – as Dr Kenneth Clark knew.
Janos or TakiMag noted your pathetic PM apologized to the dear Natives for stealing their children.
Janos–they would kill the infant and force children to eat the baby.
so there, f— off, mate.
Midnight Oil–It belongs to them
give it back
how can we sleep
“as we used to say when we were kids – no point hitting back, because shit splatters.”
LOLOLOL!
Cargill – thanks for reminding me – yes, we said the same thing…I had entirely forgotten that quick comeback. Perhaps a Trans-Tasman thing? (I’ll await the pointed jibes about the Tasman being trans…)
Thanks @Majella … I’m just staggered; where does all this racist bile come from? Why attack Aboriginal Australians? It all defies rational explanation.
Are they really holed up in an Idaho compound, with a shotgun over their knees, and nothing to do but write venomously on here? It’s all very puzzling.
Anyway – I’ll try to not feed the trolls by answering all the nut-fudge stuff on here. Love and Peace and Trans-Tasman tranquility to you too!
Cuz they suck. Their IQ average is about 60, much lower than the Negro and they are just as violent in some ways. Perhaps even more at times.
Every White Australian used to know this, that they were of the Superior Race.
Because they were cannibals when yr people arrived.
read The Fatal shore…but they were smart enough to yell at Yts boat or boats and shout–GO AWAY.
I’m winning @Majella.
I’m forcing the mad White Supremacist out of his compound – and his little flabby pale ass is fully exposed!
We are winning easy – so much winning bigly!
In your sick mind, you are winning. You are a loser, keyboard warrior.
The Abos told you to go, to leave Australia. Why are you still there?
Hypocrite.
Freeze the stock market.
No buying. No selling.
Not til it’s over.
Freeze the stock market. – QJS
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Do you have any stock market experience whatsoever?
Moved to Salt Lake City and what do I wake up to but a 5.7 earthquake centered about 17 miles from my house! It managed to knock the trumpet out of the hand of the Angel Moroni atop the Salt Lake temple. Here’s the lowdown:
Angel: Pandemic, check. Locust, check. I’m going to blow the trumpet!
God: NO!
Angel: Economic collapse, check. Rumors of wars: check. I’m blowing the trumpet now!
God: NO! as he conjures up an earthquake to knock the damn trumpet out of Moroni’s hand.
Without the trumpet, it looks as if Moroni is shaking his fist at God! Ha, ha.
Jen in Salt Lake
This sort of entertaining, hilarious, creative contribution is oddly out of place amongst the babbling riff-raff! Sadly posted at the ‘end-of-the-line’… kindly repost it on Friday for the benefit of the rabble!
When I heard about the earthquake, I thought about you. I’m glad you’re all right. Did you ever lose any power?
Not even a blip in the power. If this happened in San Jose, who knows? Before I left, they seemed to lose power for no apparent reason. I do carry earthquake insurance on the new house.
Jen in Salt Lake
Just an idea.
I wonder if the clusters are not being caused by airline hubs. Focus points for people coming from all directions, and after seeing the returning passengers a couple of days ago, a focus for huge amounts of people, too close together. Local folks working at the airport spread it all over the hub cities?
What’s interesting is that no one are is being checked for temperature at any of the airports, anywhere! This smells! I think this whole thing is staged. Fake news by the fake media of the gov mafia. We have a complete overreaction to a very minor if even real health situation.
And think of the grand conspiracy here with all the countries involved. But it’s the same with Chem-trails situation. Every country is involved and they are all silent about it. We are living in a matrix of lies and scripted staged “reality”.
You are beyond either hope or pity.
Jelly, even in my sleep, when did I request either from you? Actually, it is you who is certain to request these, and you will get none.
Per usual, Jelly, you’re too stupid to perceive the programme:
$1.5T in Repo
$1.1T Commercial paper relief
$1T in US fiscal stimulus
$750B QE from ECB
$600B QE from the Fed
$600B bank loan guarantee (France/UK)
$500B in loans (Germany)
$300B in Japanese stimulus (proposed)
$100B in fiscal stimulus across Europe
We’re being played.
And all the money is being reeled in.
Much like the story of the British loss at waterloo causing a panic sell off of stocks which by account was snapped up by the Rothschilds.
The British won of course and the story is deemed a fake.
How ever the actual sell off of stocks was a real event.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-rothschild-libel-why-has-it-taken-200-years-for-an-anti-semitic-slur-that-emerged-from-the-10216101.html
Same ideas of super rich people buying all the deals and waiting for the market to come back.
Exactly, Ben.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
And if the British had lost, the Rothshchilds would have announced they had won and worked it the other way.
The Mystery is why the Crown let them get away with it. The Monarchy was still strong and could have driven them out of Britain and not let them keep their ill gotten gains. Or maybe it was afraid of the consequences afterwards? Or maybe it was in with them and also gained from the mass economic fraud?
You’d expect there to be a huge hotspot in Atlanta, JohnAZ. I can’t see one from the data online.
But what’s this??? ZERO cases in West Va?
Georgia has 197 cases, tripled since Saturday. 4 deaths. Atlanta is not off the hook.
W. Virginia has had one, all fifty are involved.
Now true or false: W Virginia should close down all interstate travel. You can leave but you can’t come back. Imagine if one state actually did it right!
As you may know, a considerable part of Virginia wants out of Virginia and to join West Virginia. Stopping Corvid in its tracks would seal the deal.
We went to West Virginia for a day – it was a kind of spooky experience. Leaving and not coming back sounds pretty good advice to me.
You can leave but you can’t come back. Imagine if one state actually did it right!
They’d be broke in a week and short of food in two.
W Virginia should close down all interstate travel. – Janos
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Have you ever heard of a guy named Bill Ackman? He’s a billionaire Wall St money person. In a CNBC phone interview today (3/18) he issued a dramatic and dire warning. He asked Trump to totally shut down the whole country for 30 days…even if they had to use the National Guard to keep people locked up in their houses. He says that we must kill this virus and that’s the only way to do it. The whole interview was very dramatic.
C’mon Cargill, work with me. Obviously essential services go on, and that means truckers carrying food or trains doing the same.
Radical measures are on the table. West Virginia is fortunate, the least globalist state. And that infuriates your demonic self.
Do you have any stock market experience whatsoever? –Q.Shtik
Stock Market today fell BELOW where it was when Trump took office.
January 19, 2017, the day before Trump took office,
Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 19,805
Today, March 18, 2020 .. 2:27 PM DJIA … 18,926
All your gains wiped out. Trump is a disaster for the economy.
The stock market is NOT the economy…not even a proxy for it.
Agreed. But it is, or was, the focus of Trump’s bragging about how he made America great again. Now America is under seige and Trump’s inability to govern is exposed.
Biden/Abrams 2020
The stock market is NOT the economy…not even a proxy for it.
I agree – but a large number of people have their retirement plans depending on its performance.
And outside of all the skulduggery, insider trading, derivatives, manipulation and Wall Street sharks, there is a relationship between genuine corporations, their performance, their stock price, and the dividends they will pay.
In that respect – the stock market does impact on a lot of people outside the 1% – 10%. Particularly if the real economy tanks because of a crash in demand.
We are agreed it is a small portion of it the true measure was seen in restaurants and how many people were out doing things.
How packed Disneyland is and how many new cars are on the road and most of all how many help wanted signs were out!
Until this over hyped virus came along everything was doing pretty well and then the media latched onto an event that has happened 100’s of times and realized they could do serious damage to Trump and this administration by hyping this up and causing panic.
And Trump is no more responsible for it going down than he is for it going up.
BS – he has been behaving like a buffoon and the market has reacted accordingly.
BS – he has been behaving like a buffoon and the market has reacted accordingly. – K-Dog
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All Trump had to do was acknowledge on day one that the planet had been hit with a Black Swan and he would not have incurred any blame for what has happened to markets. He didn’t cause the virus nor did his prior actions reducing pandemic readiness have anything more than a minor effect on mitigation. His pig-headedness about wanting to hold the markets up until election day (in order to take credit) was a YUUGE mistake; A tactical error that springs from his very flawed personality. If he loses to a Democrat THAT will be the reason.
Well said. It’s all about Him, at least almost completely.
A friend from work told me there are about a dozen Asoka Virus cases in Jamaica so far, so one might conclude this disease spreads in tropical as well as temperate climates. Not so fast. There are tens of thousands of Chinese road builders in Jamaica, who rotate regularly back to China via Venezuela. China has bought off the Jamaican elite, setting them up in mansions, presenting them with luxury German cars, and now have run of the country. Ordinary Jamaicans resent this turn of events but there is little they can do about it. 55 years after leaving the British Empire Jamaica finds itself enmeshed in an empire of quite hue.
Brh
While all martians should be tested for the Asoka virus on landing there is no point in testing anyone traveling between countries because the infection is now worldwide. Rather all travelers must obey quarantine rules upon reaching their destinations. – B.O.O.K. it.
B.O.O.K. – By Order Of K-Dog.
Now there are 15 cases of Asoka Virus in Jamaica and one death, which doesn’t seem too bad for a poor country of 3 million. So maybe there is something to the theory that Covid 19 doesn’t thrive in warm climates. Medical care in Jamaica isn’t too good and anyone who can afford it — if they need treatment — flies to London or Miami. (This info comes from guys I work with)
Apparently the Chinese arrive with their own field hospitals. Native Jamaicans consider the Chinese racist and clannish; if Jamaicans suspect they brought in the deadly Asoka virus there could be trouble. That’s what I hear in the break room.
Brh
BRH,
If there is no testing, the virus does not exist as a statistic.
I never thought of that. Now my whole theory — based upon hope — is blown.
Carguile, says Janos. I am sure the spelling is intentional.
My waterman has been at it for a month or 2. I am not happy with him.
He is Black, but thats not why I am unhappy.
Why did he do or not do to “make you” unhappy?
Hey Malth, I’ve got a bottle of water. For 200 bucks it’s yours.
Is it Vichy?
I also have beaucoup toilet paper. Very lightly used, by a little old lady,
Is the former owners name Ms A Green?
I read once of a reuse recycle everything guy, but even he drew a line at TP reuse.
Malthuss
With reference to two of your posts on this thread, may I respectfully suggest that a year when toilet paper is becoming as difficult to source as hens’ teeth is not the best time to aim at winning Arsehole of the Year?
JohnAz might I suggest you get a few sleeves of Certs while they are still available.
Although it wasn’t a novel seems that you are a character straight out Eric Hoffer’s famous book.
Remember folks – Peanut Butter. Junkies live or subsist for long periods on nothing but. Now obviously cancel the “nothing but” and simply realize how much bio-power is in one jar, how much “survival value”. The junky example just shows it.
For the loner or outright recluse this ‘social distancing’ is heaven sent… a blessing.
JS: Too important to let languish “above”.
Q posts: It’s not the government that is inherently selfish and evil, – Eve
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Janos understands a lot of things but Capitalism is not one of them. He and you and everybody MUST understand that every conscious act is and must be selfish. You can do nothing, even give away all your earthly possessions to the poor, that does not serve your self. It makes you feel better to do so. Serving the self may have NOTHING to do with acquisition of riches.
A bearded ascetic sitting cross-legged in a Colorado stupa at 12,000 feet is serving his own self every bit as fully as I am serving MY self.
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Janos Skorenzy
March 18, 2020 at 5:32 pm #
But some serve themselves by serving others. Others serve themselves by serving ONLY themselves. The difference remains. Like Quicky Joe Small, you are trying to trick yourself out of understanding something simple, yet profound, with sophistry.
The Sages say serving oneself by serving others brings far more happiness btw. Who is more happy, bachelors or those who serve a wife and children? By and large, husbands and fathers are according to many studies. And healthier too.
JS (again!) Thus Q is right, the bearded ascetic is every bit as selfish – just better at serving himself up some happiness than the frantic stock broker or Dickensian money changer.
Thus this “selfishness” is a neutral, much like our much vaunted “freedom”. Its value, both to oneself and others, depends on what you do with it. And yes, a man who has developed himself may have more to offer them if and when he does finally convert or achieve metanoia. Thus there some room for conventional selfishness in the spiritual life at the earlier stages, at least on some paths and in some traditions.
The Confucians certainly excoriated the Taoists in this regard. But being so learned because of their good use of leisure, the Taoists could help perhaps when no one else could. But they are an extreme example. Most Traditions keep their followers closer to the golden mean. Goenka, a modern Vipassana Master said in reply to a question, There is very little so called happiness in this world that doesn’t involve other people. And Staretz Silouan of Mt Athos simply said, “Your brother is your life.”
Name me one conscious act you have performed this month that is unselfish.
All my acts have been selfish even as you indicate. You’ve missed the mark again – an intellectual sin. Is there no difference between a punk with a switchblade and a surgeon with a scapel? Both are free to do as they wish. Both are selfish as you indicate. The same? Only in Flatland, a land devoid of Hierarchy of Values and Meaning.
Repent of your intellectual sin.
Janos, when your ideology is seriously challenged you have this tendency to construct a massive word salad of eastern guru BS.
Vipassana schmipassana.
For your penance: 5 Our Fathers and 15 Hail Marys.
This wasn’t a serious challenge. I granted you your point and them put it in its true context. You’re trying to turn a neutral or potential into an actual positive or value. Your mistake is that of our entire Civilization. So you are not to blame per se, but you are not any better either. You will be judged along with them. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse here or There.
Janos, when your ideology is seriously challenged you have this tendency to construct a massive word salad of eastern guru BS.
Ain’t that the truth – and it’s only good for compost. Done because he cannot answer any of the criticism that he rightfully receives.
A very sad sorry case … but every forum needs its loud and noisy (but ultimately harmless) court jester or fool. Luckily we have one.
Communism and Capitalism unite to attack Fascism. Thus it is and will be, they being philosophies of Matter. Fascism and its higher octave, National Socialism, in contrast are philosophies of Man and the Spirit.
Some would say you are the court jester.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-virus-plan-anticipates-18-190626012.html
Feds anticipate an 18 month pandemic, mass shortages, etc. Finally the Child in Charge is listening to serious people and is ready to implement the “Defense Production Act” if needed, as used during the Korean War that mandates private industry to produce certain needed things.
Simple, normal, healthy Fascism. There is no other course. Whether we ever return to our old ways is another story. But the “republic” such as it was, was already almost gone as per Biden and the rest of reigning reptiles, the Child not excluded. No doubt they will not waste this crisis. Having Biden as President would have been the limit – as is Trump for the Liberals. As was Obama for Us. Can we not see the real Faces of those who rule us? That would be less of an insult. No doubt they don’t think we deserve to see them. Perhaps they are too beautiful to bear as in that movie where the Deplorables tried to “make people See”.
It only makes sense that in the midst of major disruptions the government should be able take complete contol of manufacturing if needed. Government must be able to act very quickly in an emergency. If government can’t meet the needs of its people first and foremost then its an impostor working for aliens and foreigners and needs to go.
Just heard a guy say he has a formula to make hand sanitizer using Bhukov Vodka as the main ingredient — guaranteed to kill all germs, bacteria and viruses. It will stop the Asoka Virus cold, or so he claims. Maybe he’s on to something, that’s pretty powerful stuff. I’m starting to hear all kinds of crazy sh#t now. It reminds me of back in the days of the gas shortages when everybody had a brother in law who invented a 100 miles per gallon carburator but GM found out about it and had the brother in law rubbed out, “No sh#t, it really happened”. People are becoming unhinged.
Brh
Uncle Joe wins again. I’m working on a bidet that can attach to the faucet using a garden hose.
Asoka claimed to have been from South America but I proved he came from Fort Mead. The claim is the virus came from China and calling it the Asoka virus implies that it is of deep state origin.
Is that your intent?
K-Dog
No. Little Jane is incidental in all this. Asoka Virus is a play on the Simpsons episode where a package from Osaka, Japan arrives at Homer’s house, carrying the Osaka flu, infecting all of Springfield.
Little Jane claimed he/she was from many places.
Brh
And what about the Bhukov? Will it work? Or would you be better off just drinking it, like in Russia?
Well my plan is to keep my BAC above 60% with Bhukov firewater. No way in hell that damnable Asoka Flu Bug lives through that shit.
Well, at least you have a plan, J.
375 ml bottle for about $4.49, at 80 proof not pure ethanol but close enough, a good pint of virus killing goodness, for internal and external use.
Brh
Update: just learned no vodka available in local package stores, shelves stripped clean. Will gin work?
To be accurate, its Bukoff.
There is also Popov vodka.
And top shelf Smirnoff,
It’s all good,
Well the best stuff is the Spirytus, I’m sure some of the old Poles around here have a stash. If I can’t get my hands on any I guess I’ll run some of my home made wine through the still and make up some grappa.I hate to waste it though , it is a valuable barter item. Maybe I can pick-up some Everclear but the shelves are probably stripped. I can mix it with water to make whatever strength poison I need.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)
I like the redneck gasifier better!
yehaaaah them damn rednecks!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ag6LoqcVsM
https://www.amren.com/news/2020/03/germany-stops-accepting-refugees-over-coronavirus/
Oh wait – I thought that was physically impossible? Or that “Europe needed them” and couldn’t make it without them? Thus do the sordid Communist/Capitalist narratives unravel.
Will the Corona Virus save Western Civilization? And if it took a virus to do it, is it even worth saving?
Yes in it’s self, but in its present debased form? No. Whites deserve to have their own Civilization (just like others), but this isn’t our Civilization anymore. We deserve much better.
The virus is a symptom of the underlyng disease which is a borderless world. Isn’t it awfully amazing that the only thing that can get these people to close borders is an economy crashing, life altering pandemic. We will not be admitting refugees for the next 30 days either. Will the refugees still flock here if the pandemic tanks the economy? And with millions of people already getting axed from their jobs there is no excuse to bring any immigrants to fill open positions.
Yes. I’ve always known it – even before I had the words to describe it or even the mentality to fully analyze it. Money is everything and the People are nothing. We aren’t a Nation and haven’t been for a long time. We’re just America Inc.
Some say that the Constitution is strangely worded and shows this mentality, giving it the actual force of Maritime or Commercial Law. I don’t know about that. But at this point, I wouldn’t automatically discount it. Some smart folks believe it. The Founders were too focused on material wealth. That’s obvious even if the previous is not. In any case, perhaps we should have stuck with the Articles of Confederation. Would they have been enough to stave off the European Powers?
I can’t even go to Church – they’ve closed them. Even the Church has bowed down to the State. No surprise to you I’m sure, but I thought at least they’d keep them open even if Mass was cancelled for people to pray before the Blessed Sacrament. Alas, the betrayal is complete. Maybe Mass had to be cancelled, but they didn’t have to do this. Open Churches don’t get crowded and it would have helped a lot of people. An essential service – food for the soul.
Yes, most of the churches are actually very agressive promoters of this current State. We will need a new church because they will never allow us to be a real People. The church has turned the Gospels into nothing more than the prevailing codes of the day. Specifically, mass immigration, multi-culturalism, etc. Even in the most religious parts of the country they have been successful in marginalizing/shunning people who question the amount of resources going to overseas missions when our people are physically and spiritually starving in the streets. And another is openly promoting the idea that there is no Race, only the Human Race. But they have zero answers for you if you ask then why God bothered to create different types of people for specific areas with clear boundaries. The Churches here are cancelling services too. I do find it strange but I understand too in the sense that the virus can persists for so long on surfaces. Which goes back to what I whispered to you that maybe in our new society the Church will be the State and the State will be the Church. It’s a possible course because bread alone won’t cut it and We are tired of being a Corporation.
“But they have zero answers for you if you ask then why God bothered to create different types of people for specific areas with clear boundaries. ”
Except that he didn’t, did he? One type popped up in Africa and then emigrated beyond their boundaries to, you know, everywhere. Like your family did after Europeans ignored God’s supposed boundaries and crossed an ocean to kill God’s people in another place. Obviously had you been there at the time you’d have insisted they stay at home and stop having so many children, in order to respect God’s boundaries. Yeah, of course…
““But they have zero answers for you if you ask then why God bothered to create different types of people for specific areas with clear boundaries. ””
Just as well you’re not in the UK. Ask questions like that here and people will look at their watch and say ‘gosh, is that the time?’. Goodness, I’m meant to be at my underwater basket-weaving class…’. And will thereafter give you a very wide berth!
Actually it is the time. Can’t you tell now? European nations have closed their borders. So the borders do appear to mean something. It’s simply too bad that it takes a horrible pandemic to prove to people that boundaries have some significance. And am I not using some level of rationality in believing that if we are going to have a world of decreasing economic circumstances then we are likely to see a rise in the appreciation of limits, borders, etc.? I don’t believe a shrinking amount of resources is going to make people want more strangers to come settle in to their town to take their slice of the pie. I think human nature says otherwise but perhaps you know something I don’t.
The thing I know that you don’t know is that ‘God’ didn’t create people in different places and impose boundaries on them. In your reasonable moments you know that yourself.
I have no problem at all with current historical national boundaries being respected as and when appropriate (it’s appropriate most of them time and more appropriate other times).
This is an entirely different issue, but kudos for trying to confuse it with the other one. Or perhaps not.
Respect the borders, just inundate them with legal aliens to turn those historical nations into mockeries of their real former selves.
We are dealing with a more than (the prefix praeter) human intelligence that is directing these people. They don’t even know what they’re saying half the time. But it’s always against our real intersts.
Your whispers are the auditory version of a cat’s whiskers. Lovely.
Your assertion of Catholicism is an astounding contradiction to the sort of vile themes you promote hereabouts. Or do you perhaps, in fact, hold that Catholicism is NOT Christianity?
The teachings of Christ include the principles of ‘caritas’ for all fellow human beings and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, are they not? These are two principles that I have never found in any of your rants, Janos.
Colour me confused.
We have jet travel, SSL.
They’re like being in a time machine.
I haven’t looked it up but I believe there are about 30,000 international flights per day. Many countries and states depend on tourism for a good portion of their livelihood, so it would be hard to shut it down permanently.
Brh
It’s unfortunate that entire economies are built on tourism but I understand what you are saying. And I am under no illusions that there will be no global trade, travel, etc. However, the amount of global travel now, if continued, will ensure that there are many more pandemics to come that will spread across the world within days and weeks. Open borders will continue to reduce living standards across the world too as countries race to the bottom to be the cheapest manufacturers, and inundate their nations with cheap labor. It would be a nice change for countries to place their citizens and the stability of their countries ahead of foreigners and temporary economic gain for a few. Some countries are loyal to their people but there is no Western country that is loyal to its people are values them in any real way.
If every place becomes basically the same – namely a tourist trap devoid of any real culture, what’s the point of going anywhere? A contradiction, like so many things. Like people all flocking somewhere attractive and destroying it. Or like “Californians” fleeing their disaster and then trying to make their new homes into the same disaster.
Dis-aster – a bad star. One whose rays bring disease and chaos. Unlike you, a eu-aster or good star.
True story: In the 1960s, Providence College had a basketball player named Marvin Barnes. Now, Marvin wasn’t too bright. He was in on a liquor store holdup and was busted real quick because he was wearing his high school with his last name on the back. Marvin was drafted by the ABAs San Diego Conquistadors. He read a time table at an airport that because of the distance involved through three time zones, made it appear he was landing before he took off. Ole Marv refused to fly because “wasn’t getting on time machine.”
I remember Marvin Barnes. Big star at PC. Didn’t know about the hold up tho.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.
http://www.got-truth.com/docs/Timid%20men%20prefer%20the%20calm%20of%20despotism%20too.pdf
I think it was more that the Church left me, rather than the other way around. The Church showed me its irrationality, its corruption and its debauchery, not to mention its often murderous inclination. So I guess we left each other.
Nevertheless, I understand the solace people find there when the Church’s sins are shunted aside.
But thankfully I’m not alone, and I believe that the comforts I take in Science and Nature are akin to those that you find in the Church.
Einstein said that he didn’t believe in life after death, that one life was enough for him. He also stated that he was not an atheist.
“I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” AE
On his ‘cosmic religion’ he said this:
“The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man’s image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.”
I pretty much roll with Einstein.
Nice! very enlightened viewpoint.
I respect that.
Meanwhile, animals devour each other and insects hunt each in the very lawn at your feet. Some harmony! It only “looks” good…..
The universe gains nothing by calling it God. Santayana
Instead of the above pantheism, try panENtheism, or God is incarnate in the universe as the universe – but without being limited to this inferior production. There are better places and He is eager to show us them. This is the slum, a mere prison planet.
“He is eager to show us them.”
‘He’ seems more eager than usual to show us them this year. Perhaps tourist numbers were down and this is a special promotion.
A fine example of going to the wishing well and pulling up a bucket of blather.
As a poet, I will crown you and then drive you from the City as Plato enjoins. Unless you use your powers to support Us that is.
Remember, there is a cure for all things in the Well at Ballykeele.
Plato would not chase me, as I lie not about the Gods. It is otherwise. Join me in the cosmic Spring of Clarity.
Cosmic fur surre!
Chaos in Koine Greek means opportunity. Think about it
To: BRH:
Can you handle the Asorka virus ridin’ with Biden while Stacy’s drivin’?
You know Attack Sub, Dems are hammering Trump, but I don’t know what they would have done differently. This thing came out of nowhere, a true Black Swan event.
He banned flights from China and was instantly denounced as racist and nativist. Whatever he does or doesn’t do is fodder for the media and democrats (one and the same)
Hey I still have my subschool cap
NAVAL SUBMARINE SCHOOL
New London, CT
I wear it around every once in awhile.
How are things in RI?
Probably true. They all would have dithered while Chinese and White tourist vectors flew in. Servants of Corvid! You have to move very fast against things like this – and our normalcy bias and capitalist greed simply don’t allow for that.
One could have hoped for someone who perhaps didn’t start boasting about what a great job they were doing even as the above was still happening though.
Of course people like Bernie or AOC would have said that stopping foreign vectors was racist. Everybody sick is their ideal. What right do you have not to be?
Hey I still have my subschool cap – BRH
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Speaking of which, do any of you old timers here remember a former commenter who went by the screen name ‘Bubblehead Mark?’ He was a former sub mariner and alcoholic. He had a flair for writing and told some wonderful anecdotes. He wound up working as a barber cutting numerous heads of hair at $10 a pop. Since we haven’t heard a word from him in more than 5 years I assume he expired with a case of the DTs.
Better than they are on Bank Street New London, Buddy
So the plan is for the Gov. to send out checks. 500 billion worth. 500B divided up between 123 million taxpayers is $4065 per person. Of course not every taxpayer will get a payment. Why should we give Bezos $4 G’s? So I guess Joe Schmoe gets north of 5 large. What will he spend it on? Toilet paper? none to be had. I’ll take mine in silver coins please.
Why should we give Bezos $4 G’s? – stelmo
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Jim Cramer, in the midst of his rant yesterday, on CNBC opined that the Govt should not bother wasting the administrative time and effort to sort out who was TOO RICH to deserve the free money. Just send it out to everybody and be done with it. I buy this logic.
But Mr. Bezos is, famously, NOT a taxpayer…so no $4k for him, surely.
Just like Alfred E. Newman “What me worry?’.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/kanye-west-in-complete-solitude-on-the-familys-wyoming-ranch/ar-BB11jzzp
Must be nice, I figure Kanye will send some expendable Wyoming cowpoke down to the PO box to pick up his $ 4 G check from the fed’s.
How is this possible? At this rate the hospitals will be self-service within a week!
https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news/hampden-county/200-baystate-health-workers-quarantined-due-to-coronavirus/
You’re an African too comrade … everyone is.
Uh, No. I have the better gene, the Neanderthal gene.
Vipassana schmipassana.
Quote of the week.
Tell that to your relatives that have a stupor and a stupa, Lama Gail and her chubby hubby.
Tell that to your relatives – Malth
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You totally lost me on that one, Malth.
Scanning the comments it looks like the virus has reached America too. Most things are closed here and walking to the work in the morning is eerily quiet with few cars on the road. I live in Co. Kerry in Ireland. the big wave of hysteria hit on Friday when life as we know it was suspended. Actually the first closures happened the day before, Thursday. The pubs were closed from Saturday and, I think, cafes and restaurants. They also closed the churches; well, just imagine the media fury if the Church had been so reckless not to do so. at least I was spared going to mass on the 17th day and listening to the African woman singing Hail Glorious St Patrick.
A couple of female colleagues were terrified but I think the fear may be beginning to subside.
I spent much of Friday arguing with people. I bit my tongue as my brother in law spoke about all the worthy measures which our wise government had arrived at after giving the matter long and careful consideration. I even managed an odd nod in agreement. But then he started on Epstein. And when he suggested that I go on the local radio to air my views I could hold it in no more (he must have been trying to needle me but you can never be sure). “That’s the biggest load of ***** **** and that stupid ****** virus is another load of ***** ****, you ****** *****!” (Or words to that effect.) This did not go down at all well with ‘Er Indoors and we wondered why she got so upset. Next morning when she asked me if I thought I was right and the whole world was wrong I answered ‘yes’. That did not go down well either.
I was looking at an old video, with terrible sound, with Christopher Booker and Richard North talking to an American audience some years ago about their excellent book about mass scares, Scared To Death. Booker mentioned the forecasts with CJD (mad cow disease) that half a million would die every year. (I think he meant for Britain only. I try never to exaggerate and have recently recalled it merely as ‘hundreds of thousands’ in total. Someone informed me that, in its worst year, CJD claimed 150 lives.) Two million deaths predicted from asbestos ( relatively harmless white asbestos was lumped in with blue or brown during the scare). And Booker mentioned the man from the WHO (he might have been its director) who predicted, twice, about 15 years ago that we would “soon” see 150 million deaths. AGW had its own chapter in the book, the longest one, and Booker followed up with his excellent book on the subject two years later.
I could be wrong, of course. Perhaps this time it really will be different.
I think you should be terrified. But not in a crazy way, although crazy at first may not be as negative as you think because fear makes you plan and prepare, even if other people don’t understand. I know that I am personally so tired of hearing people compare this to everything else essentially saying it is not going to be anything or that it will not be any worse than anything else. What I say back to that is how do you know because if you know why aren’t you rich from being able to predict the future with such precision and accuracy? So I am just going ahead to believe that it could be a sort of apocalypse. And then I hope to be happy the day that everyone is laughing at me because it was just like the flu. Then I can at least go out again without feeling like viruses are turning me into a colony.
I am very worried about the irrationality. It is getting worse
Do you find the time is passing much more quickly? My mother often mentions it. I told her that I heard that older people think it is because each passing year is a smaller fraction of the preceding total. Certainly, when you are very small a year is a very long time. She replied (she was born a couple of weeks before the Easter Rising and will soon turn 104) that the older women in her day used to complain that it was passing very slowly. I wonder if the accelerated speed of events is connected with this astonishing collective fantasy we are living in.
And this is a vague idea that has occurred to me occasionally about flus and fevers. When you are confined to bed with a flue and then you get better I wonder if the world, and yourself, are changed in some unspecified yet significant way. As if that were their role in men’s lives. Probably not, but I just thought I would mention it.
I wonder if a body never catches up after a disease attack. Viruses kill cells and if the body’s ability to recover declines with age, disease may accelerate the end. Accumulative.
All is changed, changed utterly
A terrible Beauty is born.
Yeats, more or less
Wow, 104, God Bless her.
I hear that they are to bring in 156 “refugees” into my wife’s home town, Cahersiveen, in South Kerry. ()the alternative spelling is Cahiriveen; the sign at one end of the town has the first spelling and the other the second one, or at least that was the case when I last looked). it seems that even with the End Of The World they simply cannot let go of their most cherished desire. They simply must have immigration. They cannot say why, they just know the must have it. There have been local protests in some small rural places leading to stong media denunciation of extreme right-wingers stirring up trouble. The government decided to introduce a ‘hate law’ to muzzle dissent.
Her old primary school is about five miles out of town, on the Bóthar Buí that winds itself up into the mountains, beyond which lies Killarney. This was a world of its own in her day and even when I first started visiting the area not much more than thirty years ago it was quite unlike anywhere I had ever seen. Literally everyone in South Kerry knew everyone else and hours were set aside every day telling others who had seen whom, who they had heard was doing what. This is a large are stretching from Ballinskelligs, through Caersiveen, Waterville and all the way to Glenbeigh.
There was always a contest between town and countryside throughout Ireland with the townies assuming an unwarranted air of superiority as they were quicker to latch onto the new trends. Her country school would have been a backwater. In recent years, however, it has become diverse, as an odd assortment of blow-ins, many of them from Europe, bring their children there to be taught. The school would have to close otherwise because the local farms have become depopulated.
When her father was alive I could barely understand ten percent of what he said. I would have understood a mumbling old Gaelic speaker more easily. I never met such a fit man. We left one morning, some years ago, to drive back to Dublin, where we used to live (and which I do not miss). We were above on the road looking down on the house and there he was, slamming a sledge hammer into some fence post, the tails of his jacket blowing in the wind.
I visited one summer when the rest of the country was bathed in sunshine. Even Cahersiveen, five or six miles below us, was middling fair. But up here it was lashing rain, hour after hour, day after day. We even had to wait for a full hour for it to ease so we could load the car.
Where is this leading? Nowhere really. Except that Met Éireann (the weather service) introduced ‘weather warnings’ a coupld of years ago and buildings were closed last year for a storm which got a red rating. The wind was strong, admittedly, but it was strange to see the streets deserted. Now they are deserted day after day. There is nothing to do but sit at home and watch the news of the virus.
I am beginning to wonder if the crazy alternative reality will succedd in supplanting the real one.
Sean, my son-in-law emigrated from County Kerry to Boston 20 years ago. His hometown, whose name I forget, is right by the water near the cliffs of Moher. I just called my daughter to find the name, but she didn’t answer. I know his family owns a lot of land there where the extended family live in adjacent plots.
When my daughter visits, she says the whole town comes by to say hello, and everyone knows everything about everyone else. She would awaken in the morning to see the cows being driven through the streets. All-in-all, she says it’s a nice place.
My daughter just called and says her in-laws village is called Causeway, near Tralee.
And it’s being destroyed by Black Africans and those who are obsessed with them and enable them. Why did you leave that out? No real sympathy for our People is why.
We don’t have the right to survive, to live. TO BE. Sean is right: it’s a madness.
She would awaken in the morning to see the cows being driven through the streets. All-in-all, she says it’s a nice place.
On a beautiful day it’s an outstanding part of the world, but in foul weather you want to be anywhere else – howling winds and rain coming in horizontally straight off the Atlantic Ocean.
and everyone knows everything about everyone else.
Not so sure about that bit – in Australia in small towns they say “you can’t scratch your bum around here without poking someone’s eye out”.
I’ve asked Alba and Elrond the same question again and again. They simply cannot give a cogent answer to why we are bringing in massive numbers of aliens. In my view, it’s some kind of twisted version of the Christian ethic: Whiteness and Racism being the Original Sin, with all Whites being racist or fallen. By favoring other races above one’s own, one shows that one is saved or one of the few good Whites. Whites who object are the essence of evil and need to be destroyed.
Alba admits we don’t need them economically. But they are our responsibility because of the Destruction we have caused throughout the world – as if the Jihad never happened as if Africa was some kind of paradise before we got there.
Thus she’s for a moderate policy of immigration – again why any? But for Unlimited numbers of refugees a la Mama Merkel, though perhaps done in a more regulated “English” why to maintain the all important veneer of moderation and sensibility, so much a part of her self image. She’s one of the good ones, one of the very few good Whites!
Janos
“Alba admits we don’t need them economically. But they are our responsibility because of the Destruction we have caused throughout the world”
Try not to condense complicated and at least somewhat considered views into 22 words – it does you no more favours than it does the person whose views you like to misrepresent.
Which is not to say that I have time at this particular moment to write you an essay.
I’ve asked Alba and Elrond the same question again and again.
And you’re asked the same question again and again, but no answers … you know very well what it is.
Mu.
“Perhaps this time it really will be different.”
It’s ALWAYS ‘different this time’ until it isn’t. It never is. Past experience correctly informs future expectations.
The HCQ + antibiotic “cure” is right now being mentioned by Trump in his presser as being investigated.
It was dubbed the “Spanish Flu” not because it originated in Spain, but rather because in 1918 during WWI Spain was a “neutral country” with a relatively free press. In other countries, including the US, the media was tightly controlled and newspapers were only allowed to publish “Good News”, so only Spanish newspapers published stories about the plague. As a result, the public associated the pandemic with Spain, and it became to be known as the “Spanish Flu”.
John M. Barry
The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History
Cargill says
“I spent one day in West Virginia.”
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sure you did, Comrade.
Sure you did, Comrade.
I checked with the Board of Directors, and she advises that we’ve been to West Virginia four times … a couple of times to Harpers Ferry, a bit of the Appalachian Trail, and a couple of side trips off the lovely Blue Ridge Parkway and Skyline Drive.
BTW I can recommend the Luray Caverns (off I-81), and Monticello was pretty neat. The whole country was built by slaves.
Google is your friend after all and most especially if your a bs artist.
https://www.planetware.com/tourist-attractions/west-virginia-uswv.htm
Just because you haven’t left Podunk, doesn’t mean we’re all like that. I expect we’ve seen much more of the US than most Americans – and we’ve done 80,000 km on the roads too.
Have you driven the Blue Ridge Parkway? Been up Clingmans Dome in GSMNP? Visited Gettysburg (twice)? Antietam (once)? Set your hiking boots on a bit of the Appalachian Trail? Paid to much for a tour of Biltmore Estate?
We’ve done all these, and have the pictures and the receipts. Have you done them comrade?
It was the extra effort that really gave it away.
“If I list enough places, they will believe me.”
Yes, the only commenter on this board who has ever travelled anywhere is Cargill. The rest of us are ignorant rubes who were born in Podunk, Arkansas and still live in Podunk, Arkansas.
You, for example, Nightowl. Sure, you were born in NY, have been to Asia, and live in Germany. And Benr has been all over the Pacific Rim with the US Navy … you didn’t draw the right conclusions from your travels … YOUR HEARTS ARE STILL IN PODUNK! You don’t show sufficient hatred for the United States and for the President! As all intelligent and well traveled people are obligated to do.
Brh
Podunk, why can’t I quit you!
I guess Upstate NY is Podunk to some. The most grounded people I ever knew were in Upstate NY. Interestingly enough, some 4k away, many Germans here in NRW seem to share many of their values: self-reliance, hard work, and honest and direct communication.
And all Americans should visit Harper’s Ferry. The historical signifigance is immense and the location itself is beautiful (including the drive).
I could post pictures if you like, not that I care one iota whether you believe me or not.
Why do you live in this fetid world of fantasy, suspicion, and paranoia? It’s not necessary, and in the long run, we’re all dead – although under current circs, it might be a short run!
I’ve visited every national park west of the Mississippi except four – can you guess which ones I haven’t been to? And how many have you got to comrade?
… seem to share many of their values: self-reliance, hard work, and honest and direct communication.
These were critical characteristics of Indigenous Australians as well – their survival for 60,000 years required it and proves it – along with great physical resilience, and a very cool cosmology.
White “civilisation” stuffed ’em up.
And all Americans should visit Harper’s Ferry. The historical significance is immense and the location itself is beautiful (including the drive).
Not just Americans – it is a cool place with a lot of Civil War history in one neat McHappy Meal package. And you can get three different states in about five minutes.
Less cool is the Four-Corner Point near Mesa Verde NP (also a very cool place – especially in winter when we visited). But other than doing a Twister move to get a limb in four different states, there’s very little there.
Just stop, dude. It is pathetic.
you are not your [possessive]
Mnuchin
Up to $3000 dollars for a family of four to be sent out in 3 weeks.
$1000 per adult, $500 per child.
Tax free?
Nice.
I’ll be getting that revolver I been wanting.
Brh
Good BRH
Probably about time. Don’t waste money though, your survivors will need it. One bullet is all you need unless you flinch and have to use another one.
I’m feeling the love, Evelyn.
Feeling the LOVE.
brh
BRH
Take a close look at the Chiappa Rhino.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiappa_Rhino
The images of the drunken college kids partying in Florida deliberately spreading the “Boomer Remover” virus are disturbing.
The other night at the dinner table the high school kids in the family said that they’re taught in school that there are 57 different genders. Tell teenagers that the purpose of Life is to Party and that it’s “Wrong” to discriminate about any of the 57 different genders. What could go wrong?
“there are 57 different genders”
Perhaps it’s sponsored by Heinz.
CNN just announced that a study was run in the first six months of last year what the impact of a flu virus pandemic would be and it was released to the WH. Everyone of course is jumping on Trump and the WH for not putting priority on the report. Everyone with their hindsight glasses on are saying all the things that were not done in response to the report, everyone now complains about hospital shortages.
Two questions
Where were all these experts last year? Why didn’t we hear from our vaunted MSM about all these shortages and lack of resources LAST YEAR, before the pandemic.
Why didn’t we hear last year, Why didn’t the WH react?
Three words! Priorities, Mueller, and Impeachment.
Now it won’t be until summer that Durham completes his work. It was supposed to be early spring. Covid 19 delay?
Seems to me that there’s a good chance all of the coup perpetraitors will be off the hook. And there’s also a good chance Trump is defeated in November, so why bother? In this Covid climate, no one may really give a rat’s ass anymore.
Remember Barr-Durham? Seems like ages ago.
JohnAZ, the best thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging.
I don’t think anyone other thanTrump superfans such as yourself will be giving Trump a pass for screwing the pooch over this. So best to move on.
“The buck stops here.” – Harry Truman
“I don’t take responsibility at all.” – Donald Trump
https://www.amren.com/news/2020/03/us-and-canada-will-close-border-to-nonessential-traffic-due-to-coronavirus-trump/
No word yet about Mexico. That would be unbearable! Even Kdog, who has been rational about all this, making good use of his scientific background succumbed the other day, saying that borders don’t matter in all of this, as long as incomers obey protocols. As if the immune system was to say, skin doesn’t matter. I’m the one who protects the body.
Borders are our first line of defense. And newcomers, even if allowed in, will only tax an overtaxed system even if healthy. And borders would protect against illegal immigrants who might or might not be healthy. Are we going to keep letting pregnant Hispanic women in to squat and conquer? With our hospitals overwhelmed?
And newcomers, even if allowed in, will only tax an overtaxed system even if healthy.
Presumably you didn’t evolve spontaneously out there in Podunk Indiana (although I could be mistaken) – so where were your forebears “newcomers” from, eh? Do you think they were a burden on the country, or did they contribute?
We all come from somewhere else (and ultimately of course, from Africa).
We conquered them and created this Nation. Thus we are the Native Americans. They were just living here in primeval squalor. Now they try to guilt trip us. Fine: Give them some land and let them live in tipis and what not. No welfare, electricity, etc. Watch them crawl back.
The first duty of the Conqueror is the bear the hatred of the Conquered. It’s not easy. Better to drive them out. But we conquered so much! Where to put all the wogs, eh Carguile? Maybe up in the Canadian Tundra since we ceded it to the Inuit – themselves imperialists who genocided an earlier Polar Race.
Let them deal with them. God, what a genius I am. Thank you, God. It all comes from You.
Yawn … I won’t feed the troll.
Nothing more boring than the White Supremacist Xenophobic Bible Basher. Why are they like that? (Hint: it’s got something to do with a fearful sense of inadequacy, if you get my drift).
I win again, Carguile. You got nuthin.
Tate: I don’t think he’s one of Us at all. I’ve developed my own spider senses about these folks by now.
I seldom bash the Bible. And when I do, never the New Testament, only the funny history parts of the Old.
You should have said Bible Thumper, or some Assie equivalent. Must I tell you everything?
He is a Gita guy.
He likes the Vishnavas, the warriors, the Battles.
Prabupad version. Got it? I dont think so.
You should have said Bible Thumper, or some Assie equivalent. Must I tell you everything?
God-botherers and happy-clappers just about covers the field for nut-fudge cult christians (is there any other kind?) ihere n The Land Down Under.
Thank god for atheists!
the Inuit – themselves imperialists who genocided an earlier Polar Race. – Janos
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Got a link for that?
Google the Dorset.
*Yawn*
First, it was the Maori of Aotearoa.
Now the Inuit are to be chasitised by Herr Ubermensch Skorenzy, with yet another totally bogus fabulation for the agenda of the rabid racists – this time of a ‘Polar Race’?
You really do take the proverbial cake of ‘bizarre theories’.
So, I did find Dorset on Wikipedia, so I concede that. I also find this – “no strong evidence that the Inuit and Dorset ever met”.
Maybe the Dorset were ‘genocided’ remotely, in the fashion of the Clinton ‘suicides’?
“The Dorset were first identified as a separate culture in 1925. The Dorset appear to have been extinct by 1500 at the latest and perhaps as early as 1000. The Thule people, who began migrating east from Alaska in the 11th century, ended up spreading through the lands previously inhabited by the Dorset. There is no strong evidence that the Inuit and Dorset ever met. Modern genetic studies show the Dorset population were distinct from later groups and that “[t]here was virtually no evidence of genetic or cultural interaction between the Dorset and the Thule peoples.”[1]”
The Inuit admit to having destroyed them, even as the Maori did the red haired Pahekas.
Your thesis: Only Whites are warlike and have ever conquered, enslaved and/or driven out other people. Or practiced genocide.
And of course, that’s completely wrong.
Plus protty-dogs for the Anglicans (Episcopalians), and of course cattle-ticks for the Papist ones.
Cargill, you’re a traitor to your memory of your ancestors & to your progeny (if you even have any: doubtful & if you do, I feel sorry for them.)
My ancestors are a pretty mongrel bunch … and sure I think about it. I ignore your racist innuendos though – as one should and must.
Do you think they were a burden on the country, or did they contribute?
Pilgrims brought more advanced civilization here, and in Mexico, land of 20,000 human sacrifices a day. They were the settlers.
Immigrants built the country.
I agree with Sri janos, its a built country that needs no more immigrants.
For humor, listen to Neil Young sing, ‘Cortez, what a killer’—and fact the facts. What a laugh.
Every immigrant slices the USA natural resource pie thinner.
Well, checked out one of those Liquor ‘Superstores’, no Vodka available. Vodka shelves bare, I was too late.
Yesterday made my dental appt, found out I was the last patient, today got a haircut, the last customer before shutdown. Just squeaked in, that’s what I call serendipity.
Two Asoka Virus deaths in Ct today, one guy was 88, the other 90. Draw your own conclusions.
Shut it down, Shut it all down, apparently.
Brh
I happen to be a vodka drinker – have been for years. I’m not a big drinker, but I like my vodka. I have a few liters in my cabinet. Maybe I should drink it all up?
No, save some Bill.
Mix up an elixir to kill that virus on all surfaces and on all sets of hands.
Are you talking Bukoff, Popov, or Smirnoff?
80 proof? I’ve heard there’s 140 proof, but shudder at the thought of it. That’s what we used to call ‘Torpedo Juice’. Powerful stuff. P-o-w-e-r-f-u-l!
Brh
Marlin, I have 80 proof Stoly’s and Smirnoff. Basically I’m a Stolichnaya man. It goes down smooth. 80 proof does the job for me, I wouldn’t need stronger. I had a friend who was into certified, pure laboratory alcohol, 180 proof. I tried some – it tasted sweet, but potent, and it wasn’t something I liked.
Ok that’s the good stuff, top shelf.
why Vodka?
BRH – that seems nice of you. If you plan to use that revolver like we were discussing, at least there won’t a lot of bloody hair splatter someone will have to scrape up. Blood is one thing but to get a lot hairs embedded in the splintered wood and what not would be rude for the next person to deal with.
And the dental appt makes sense I guess. Not too much sense cause what are the chances they need to resort to dental records but still, you’re covering all the bases.
So what’s the plan. Your have the new pistol, you swig down the vodka…
– and then what? Wait for the booze to kick in or pull the trigger as the last drop goes down?
Do you have a cleaning kit? To save your family the embarrassment you could make it look like an accident that happened when cleaning
you piece.
That my dear is a pretty dark and evil piece of writing.
One might even say if that event happened you goaded him to do it.
If I were you I would reel that one back or not go down that avenue again.
Trump looks at a securiity gaurd and says “I’m a businessman, I can’t have somebody sitting around until he’s needed. We can get them back very quickly when we need them. Very quickly.” Then he walks into the office one day and everybody is shot to hell.
gourds?
The basic technology used to fight the Covid 19 virus today is fundamentally not much difference from 100 years ago.
“ Then he demonstrated for them an innovation he had experimented with: the wearing of gauze masks by patients with respiratory disease. Welch called the mask “a great thing . . . an important contribution in prevention of spray infections.” He encouraged Capps to write an article for the Journal of the American Medical Association and advised Pearce to conduct studies of the masks’ effectiveness. Cole agreed: “This is a very important matter in connection with the prevention of pneumonia.” Welch also came away from that inspection, the last one of that tour, recommending two things. It confirmed in him his desire to have new arrivals at all camps assigned for three weeks to specially constructed detention camps; these men would eat, sleep, drill—and be quarantined—together to avoid any cross-infections with men already in camp. Second, he wanted Capps’s use of masks extended to all camps. Capps did write the JAMA article. He reported finding the masks so successful that after less than three weeks of experimenting he had abandoned testing and simply started using them as “a routine measure.” He also made the more general point that “one of the most vital measures in checking contagion” is eliminating crowding. “Increasing the space between beds in barracks, placing the head of one soldier opposite the feet of his neighbor, stretching tent flags between beds, and suspending a curtain down the center of the mess table, are all of proved value.” To prevent a few arriving individuals from infecting an entire camp, he also repeated Welch’s recommendation to isolate transferred troops. Grant had such a “depot brigade,” a separate quarantine barracks for new recruits and transfers. Its stairways were built on the outside so guards could enforce the quarantine. But officers did not stay in the depot brigade; only enlisted men did. Capps’s article appeared in the August 10, 1918, issue of JAMA.”
John M. Barry
The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History
Open Borders Caused the Corvid 19 Pandemic by Richard Houck, Counter Currents
Coronavirus, or COVID-19, the virus which originated in China, has now swept the globe. People are sick, many have died, there is widespread panic, entire nations have been shut down, and daily life has been disrupted virtually everywhere at this point.
The virus is both more infectious and more deadly than the common flu, though it is being compared to the flu by some due to overlapping symptoms. [1]
COVID-19 first appeared in China sometime in November of 2019. [2] One theory of the virus’ inception is that it came from a Chinese “wet market, ” where live animals are sold in the open, including dogs, cats, fox pups, koalas, bats, and other “meats” that are uncommon to Europeans. Whether or not this theory proves to be factual remains to be seen. However, no matter where the virus originated, the barbaric practices of the dog meat trade, among others, should not be ignored. If nothing else comes from the wet market theory, we should understand the Chinese are radically alien people who do not leave their customs at the border when they arrive in Europe or the United States. Pets have been found on countless occasions at these open-air markets; kittens and pups with collars and name tags are not uncommon. [3] These practices, along with other anti-nature barbarisms such as shark-finning, are common throughout all of China, Korea, Japan, and the rest of Asia. [4] These are not the type of people I want as neighbors under any circumstances.
With that said, the hostile media and diaspora Asians living in the U.S. and Europe have, on some level, picked up on this sentiment. There was general disgust at the revelation for many people at the types of “food” the Chinese and others were eating, along with the horrific methods of preparing the “food,” such as skinning and boiling dogs and cats while alive. Then there were legitimate examples of early “social distancing” on public transit, to which Asians noticed and took offense. Some of the reports from the mainstream media:
“A new virus stirs up ancient hatred,” Chinese columnist Jeff Yang wrote. “Across the internet, we’ve seen widespread eruptions of racist scapegoating, blaming Chinese for a disease that has so far only killed Chinese.” [5] Yang’s claim of racism is what others would call basic observation. If the virus started in China, why would we “blame” the Irish, for example? Why would we pretend it didn’t start in China? Yang is asking us to deny reality. If our nation were run by competent people, they might have proactively ensured nobody came into the U.S. from China without being quarantined — or, better yet, banned all travel to and from.
The ADL’s predictable blog post, titled “Extremists Use Coronavirus to Advance Racist, Conspiratorial Agendas,” was sure to make readers know the real issue is not a rapidly spreading pathogen with lethal potential, but the fact that people are saying unflattering things on the internet. [6]
“Fear of coronavirus fuels racist sentiment targeting Asians” headlines the truly harrowing story of a random Asian in the LA Times: “I don’t know if it’s just people looking at me coughing or because I’m an Asian person coughing, they think I might have the coronavirus. . . I feel like every time I cough, people are going to be uncomfortable with that. I shouldn’t have to feel that way.” Oh, you feel a little uncomfortable, and shouldn’t have to live this way? That’s funny, I feel like my entire life shouldn’t be turned upside down, and the lives of my elderly family members threatened, because you and your co-ethnics are transmitting a global pathogen. I agree that we shouldn’t have to live this way.
After Italy took reasonable precautions, like ending flights to and from China, a group of Chinese nationals in Italy put on a display of sorts called, “I’m not a virus. I’m a human. Eradicate the prejudice.” At this display, a Chinese man offered “free hugs” to help end so-called xenophobia (the fear of the stranger). [7] Shortly thereafter, over 1,800 Italians are dead from COVID-19, all of Italy is on lockdown, Spain and France have followed suit, and the number of Europeans infected continues to skyrocket. [8]
Then came the day-to-day terror from the diaspora Asian community in what they found to be good-natured humor to combat “racism.” A viral tweet with over 200,000 likes read, “Coughing real loud on the subway today to see who’s racist.” [9] Another Asian living in the U.S. decided to more explicitly harass a passenger, by coughing towards them, in a viral video with over 380,000 likes. Min, the Asian Twitter user, then went on to berate the woman for racism and stupidity, finally claiming she was the victim of discrimination because the woman covered her face and eventually moved away. [10]
Former presidential hopeful Andrew Yang, in a tweet ostensibly covering for his fellow Asians, wrote: “The fear of the coronavirus is likely to be as or more destructive than the virus itself.” [11] People are dead. They are dead because of a disease that came from China, yet Asians living in White nations are more concerned people might gaze at them too long or move away from them. People have lost loved ones, and Asians think this is some sort of joke, or that perhaps they are the real victims here at the hands of White people who have a bit of their self-preservation instinct left. The “racism” that diaspora-citizens and the media are describing is illegitimate on its face. Even if they were being treated differently, it is justified and based on wholly legitimate reasons.
Fundamentally, the cause of disruption in day-to-day life across Europe, the U.S., Canada, and other Western nations, is globalism and neoliberalism. The commitment to open borders and the free movement of people from place to place, along with the irrational deference to “the market,” brought us here.
The official Twitter account of the New Jersey government tweeted, in rather condescending fashion:
*taps mic*
coronavirus is no excuse for racism
That same day, the first death in New Jersey due to coronavirus was announced. [12]
A man lost his life because his traitorous government believes the commitment to “anti-racism” was more valuable than his life. By not taking measures to ensure the safety of its citizenry, these government actors might as well have shot those who have died from the exotic disease in the head themselves. Elected officials in the U.S. had months to prepare; their lack of response for so long is at least tantamount to gross negligence. It was more than foreseeable that this virus would make its way to the West if nothing was done. Their obligation to act was disregarded; inaction was the route taken instead. Perhaps the government of New Jersey can explain to the family of those who lost a loved one that this was simply the price to be paid so that it could virtue-signal on Twitter dot com.
What nonwhites and liberals call “racism” is, in their intellectually stunted, juvenile minds, the notion that, for no apparent reason, a subset of Whites decided one day to irrationally and inexplicably hate others solely for the most superficial of characteristics, such as skin color or accent. In reality, however, what they call “racism” actually just appears to be a healthy and natural in-group preference, combined with astute pattern recognition and common sense. Understood properly, “racism” would have saved lives, and would keep our nation functioning. Leaders with foresight would be able to recognize that certain parts of the world are dealing with serious health epidemics and therefore must be separated from the people they were elected to protect. After all, if a nation is not charged with protecting its own, it is essentially illegitimate and should be seen as either an occupation government or a rule-making proxy for large corporations (or perhaps some other fifth-column). Suppose the U.S. or Europe did shut down travel to and from China or anywhere else? What about it? What does an American or European owe to his paper-citizens? What do we owe people whose ancestors did not build these nations, while ours did? I believe nothing at all. [13]
A government that operates under the presumption that the health of the people is paramount would not have waited even a moment to act. All flights, cruises, and travel could have been stopped, and anybody re-entering the U.S. or Europe could have been quarantined. The disruptions we face now — schools and universities closing, events canceled, people struggling to pay their bills, deaths — is all a direct result, the inevitable result, of a government that is hostile to our interests, valuing “diversity and inclusion” and market deference above the safety of the people. Instead of stopping flights, inconveniencing a few people and costing a few companies to be out some money, we are all now facing the consequences of “anti-racism.” States, like Ohio, are mandating bars and restaurants to suspend dine-in service, and small business owners and their staffs will now be absorbing the impact because our illegitimate government would not cancel flights and cruises two months ago when the costs would have been absorbed by billion-dollar corporations. Instead, they waited until the effects would disrupt the lives of the most vulnerable.
Once this sickness was in China, it was only a matter of time until it found its way into our hometowns, as there is nothing in place at all to prevent its free travel. Globalism necessarily means exotic diseases are coming to your home town from the farthest corners of the globe.
The first instance of COVID-19 in the United State was a Chinese man who returned on or about January 14, 2020, after visiting family in Wuhan, China. [14] China reported the virus to the World Health Organization on December 31, 2019, and had documented the novel virus since sometime in November. Although the Trump administration announced on January 31, 2020, it would be restricting entry into the United States from China, the so-called restrictions were in name only. “The restriction does not include immediate family members of American citizens and permanent residents,” [15] meaning that patient zero in the United States would have been permitted to enter, as well as nearly all of those traveling back and forth.
The chilling part is this is only the beginning, the opening viral-salvo against our way of life. What it once meant to be “first-world” and “third-world” will begin to merge. Nations that were once able to eradicate diseases and care for them with extreme efficiency will become a thing of the past, as the diseased and wretched hordes continue their flood into historic White homelands. There is no reason at this point to assume the next dangerous outbreak that happens in some faraway land will be stopped from entering Europe and the U.S. unless these nations are secured and managed by their founding stock, who possess a clear and express desire to keep their kinfolk safe.
In a White nation with closed borders — a real White nation, run by people like us, who are committed to the safety and future of our people — none of this would be an issue. Instead, people are fearful they may get sick and die, they are out of work, their children are worried about their next meal, their daily lives are being significantly disrupted, thousands have already lost loved ones, and ultimately for what? So that heads of state can pay lip service to “racial and ethnic diversity” as they live in nearly all-White neighborhoods and send their children to private schools away from diversity? So that we can pretend we are “advanced and tolerant” as third-world diseases ravage our homelands and people? So that we can get trinkets for a few dollars less? This is a tremendous deviation from how proper nations have operated historically, i.e., with their own people coming first. We should never have been in a position where the possibility of elderly Europeans and Americans dying is weighed against being called “racist” or costing airlines to cancel some flights.
I have zero faith that our elites will make any considerable changes to the law or public policy in the aftermath of this event. The full extent of the devastation caused by this epidemic is yet to be seen, but what is for certain is this: If nothing changes, there will be another. And another. And another. As it stands, there is nothing to prevent a disease that pops up in any corner of the globe from making its way right into your favorite bar, grocery store, your university, your parent’s or grandparent’s nursing home, or your child’s school. More than ever, this is clear evidence that our current elite must be replaced with those who have their sights not on today’s stock index, but eternity. Those who are not going to concern themselves with the feelings of alien interlopers (who already have their own homelands), but with the safety of their own extended racial family. We should not have to live this way — and White nations with hard borders will ensure we alone control our fate.
If nothing else, I hope this serves as a wake-up call to everybody that we must secure our own future. We must build our own institutions capable of wielding power and influence, and see to it that our interests are no longer last in line behind what an alien with no legitimate reason to even be here has to say, or what may or may not happen on Wall Street at 9 a.m. tomorrow.
I am of the simple belief that our lives should not be turned upside down so that we do not offend people who ultimately hate us anyway. No amount of hurt feelings mitigate the fact that men and women of my own stock are struggling and dying because of something entirely preventable. After all, the only way an isolated epidemic becomes a pandemic is through open borders.
Life could be so much better. Everything could be so different. It is more clear than it has ever been that our very lives and the lives of our families depend on regaining control of our homelands, and that those in power reflect our image.
JS: Yes impeach Trump over this. Better yet impeach the whole Government, and the whole Elite behind them. Trump stands his ground finally – by refusing to stop calling it the Chinese Virus. What a man! How much better if he had politely closed the borders back in November or early December before the first case arrived here from China.
Yeah, he was on firm ground when he said it came from China, with a bit of a bitter emphasis on the word China. Did he grit his teeth? Good that way. Try it. ‘China’. That genius was stable.
But overall, his handling of this situation has been disastrous, you can see it here:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mixed-messages-trump-marred-administrations-coronavirus-response/story?id=69625769
But Richard nailed it.
ah. So, this is, I guess, one of the sources of your twisted venal thinking. It figures…read tripe like this and you inevitably regurgitate said tripe.
I think it is from a lab. How it was released, I dont know.
What joy do you get propagating this disinformation.
In a White nation with closed borders — a real White nation, run by people like us, who are committed to the safety and future of our people –Janos
“I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” (Pledge of Allegiance from 1892 to 1923)
ONE NATION comprised of many faiths, many races, many cultures.
INDIVISIBLE. (no distinctions based on skin color)
With liberty and justice for ALL races, ALL creeds, and ALL national origins.
E Pluribis Unum (From many races, many religions, ONE NATION)
Ben Meng, CALpers CIO and suspected Chinese Communist asset: “What am I Xi JingPing, Chinese or American?”
Xi JingPing, Chinese Premier and ChiCom party Chief: “Comrade Meng, look in the mirror,”
Brh
If Pressident Xi wanted to come up with a definitive example of how his system is better than our’s he could not have done better than this. In an autocracy you are told what to do, and if you don’t listen they shoot you. Here we are free to walk the beach, to go to the bars, to go to rallies. Sometimes you just need to be told what the fuck to do, no if and or buts about it. Because we are free thousands more will die. Because China is not, thousands of lives were saved. Italyopened Pandora’s Box. We may do it too. This may be a facist trap. If Trump were to hardass it, sieze power, and tell everybody to stay home and for 2 or 3 weeks bring food to them with military in hasmat suits, and if it worked and he defeated the virus, he would be re-elected in a landslide.
Yes, he is not the He for whom we wait. Not the Man on the White Horse.
“a near View of Death would soon reconcile Men of good Priciples one to another, and that it is chiefly owing to our easy Scituation in Life, and our putting these Things far from us, that our Breaches are formented, ill Blood continued, Prejudices, Breach of Charity and of Christian Union so much kept and so far carry’d on among us, as it is: Another Plague Year would reconcile all these Differences, a close conversing with Death, or the Diseases that threaten Death, would scum off the Gall from our Tempers, remove the Animosities among us, and bring us to see with differing Eyes, than those which we look’d on Things with before”
? Daniel Defoe, A Journal of the Plague Year
“I recommend it to the Charity of all good People to look back, and reflect duly upon the Terrors of the Time; and whoever does so will see, that it is not an ordinary Strength that cou’d support it; it was not like appearing in the Head of an Army, or charging a Body of Horse in the Field; but it was charging Death itself on his pale Horse; to stay indeed was to die, and it could be esteemed nothing less.”
— Daniel Defoe, A Journal of the Plague Year
“Some endeavors were used to suppress the printing of such books as terrified the people, and to frighten the dispersers of them, some of whom were taken up, but nothing done in it, as I am informed; the government being unwilling to exasperate the people, who were, as I — Daniel Defoe, History of the Plague in London
A endeavor for our modern time is make sure you keep your phone with you at all times.
Is that the plague of 1666 he’s writing about? Same year as the Great London Fire … citizens in the Christian Kingdom thought the world was ending.
Even at that late date — over 300 years since the black death of 1348 — Europeans hadn’t figured out Bubonic Plague was caused by fleas living in rats.
I think DeFoe was writing about events that occurred before his time … Samuel Pypes Diary records events as they were occurring.
Brh
Sam Pepys
“Again, the publick shewed that they would bear their share in these things; the very Court, which was then gay and luxurious, put on a face of just concern for the publick danger. All the plays and interludes which, after the manner of the French Court, had been set up and began to increase among us, were forbid to act; the gaming tables, publick dancing rooms, and music houses, which multiplied and began to debauch the manners of the people, were shut up and suppressed; and the jack-puddings, merry-andrews, puppet-shows, rope-dancers, and such-like doings, which had bewitched the poor common people, shut up their shops, finding indeed no trade; for the minds of the people were agitated with other things, and a kind of sadness and horror at these things sat upon the countenances even of the common people. Death was before their eyes, and everybody began to think of their graves, not of mirth and diversions.”
— Daniel Defoe, A Journal of the Plague Year
A rhyme for our time.
I read Defoe’S account about four years ago. Who couda knowd ??
Another example of why history rhymes.
Whaddya know.
Nobody figured out flea bites caused bubonic plague until 1897. And apparently after events of 1348-1350 plague never really went away, but recurred decade after decade but never approaching the level of mid 14th century.
The plague K-Dog refers to above — occurring when Defoe was 3 years old, in 1666 — killed 75,000 people in London alone, in a single year. Now that was a pandemic!
Q Stick,
you have relatives that converted [if thats the term] to Buddhism and have a stupa in their back yard?
They dont like to cook?
the only commenter on this board who has ever travelled [spelled wrong] anywhere is Cargill.
Your BS meter is on.
“travelled” – English spelling.
“traveled” – lazy US spelling.
And ‘spelled wrong’ – lazy way of saying ‘spelled wrongly’!
Remember folks – Peanut Butter. Junkies live or subsist for long periods on nothing but. –Janos
While George Washington Carver didn’t invent peanut butter, he discovered 300 uses for peanuts and helped establish peanut butter as the nutritious staple ingredient found in 94 percent of American households today.
Give thanks to the Black man who keeps white supremacist Janos alive.
It appears that in continental Europe, including horribly stricken Italy, people are not emptying the shelves, but behaving courteously and considerately towards their fellow citizens.
Just saw an English critical care nurse on the news speaking, in tears, from her car, appalled at the behaviour of people stripping supermarket shelves with no thought for others. ‘We’re the people looking after you’, she said, ‘and we can’t get food’.
Are Anglo-Saxons just more selfish than other people? This behaviour seems to be limited to the UK and the US. It can’t be the ‘socialist’ mentality making them feel falsely confident or, being a Brit, I’d have no difficulty getting a delivery from Sainsbury’s before feckin’ Christmas.
I don’t think that in family-oriented Italy, you’d find many youngsters using terms like ‘boomer remover’ either.
Maybe you should think twice before you insult Europe so gratuitously as being ‘lost’.
“rimozione boomer” doesn’t have the same rhyming cache…
“Are Anglo-Saxons just more selfish than other people? This behaviour seems to be limited to the UK and the US.” — GreenAlba
B-b-b-but, those anglo-saxons who keep the streets of Kenyan villages safe what about them?
Talking to yourself again?
None of you Common Wealthers have been willing talk about the Raid:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/out-of-control-country-supermarket-hires-bouncers-to-keep-out-shelf-raiders-20200318-p54bbe.html
Oh, dear, both Tate and Janos missed that the comparison referred specifically to an observed difference in apparent behaviour between BRITISH AND AMERICAN people and CONTINENTAL EUROPEANS, with particular reference to stricken ITALIANS.
When I feel at liberty to make a relatively superficial observation about the supermarket-clearing propensities of the ENTIRE WORLD, you’ll be first to know.
Never mind…
Hey GA, how come whenever you compare the US to a foreign country, the US always comes up on the short end? I beginning to think you have a bias against us, or something.
Brh
Hey brh, how come when I’m talking about the US and the UK, you’re only seeing the US?
GA,
That’s because in Marlin’s world, there’s ONLY the USA …and some other insignificant little pissant countries which it’s fine to ignore and have no relevance or import for the Exceptionalist State.
Now you go it and you really are the same or you wouldn’t be living here.
No matter how much you pretend to hate the USA you live here and yet splatter it with insult and shit on it every chance you get.
benr
I don’t see anything in Majella’s comment that insults the US. It’s merely a comment on the rather obvious blind spot in brh’s perception of a simple opinion about some recent phenomena of consumer behaviour seen specifically in the US – and the UK!!! – compared with continental Europeans.
Maybe it’s ‘consumer’ that’s the key word – and continental Europeans see themselves first as ‘citizens’ before ‘consumers’.
Just a passing thought, not driven by a ten-year sponsored randomised controlled trial or anything. 🙂
@ga
My comment is not about one comment but instead the over arching content of her comments.
Would this be your recommendation? It comes to $23.04 trillion –Q.Shtik
Yes. $4,000 a month for 18 months. Read the Constitution.Section 8 permits Congress to coin money and to regulate its value. Twenty-four (24) trillion-dollar platinum coins should cover all the costs.
The thing about the Federal (or any Sovereign Government) ‘printing money’ to distribute helicopter-style, is that it is NOT debt.
So I see in the news today a big monthly payout UBI style coming down the pike.. so what’s it gonna be? a grand per adult? … how about $1500?… well, hell.. let’s not be cheap here.. let’s just call it even 10 grand a month and call it even, shall we??
😉
show me the money
Exactly. We labored for ages to uncover the secrets of Nature; to finally reply to the Old Greeks who said slavery would end when the “wheels turned by themselves”. But then when at last the time came, lo and behold multitudes of men in love with their chains and pundits who expect us to compete with desperate 3rd World coolies in order have enough to buy scraps of bread. This is your idea of virtue.
You’re a pygmy, Pete, morally and mentally.
Pygmies are good survivors – despite centuries of depredation upon them by white “civilisation”.
When Gandhi was asked what he thought about Western civilisation, he said it would be a good idea to try.
They’re veritable serfs to the Bantu Negroes, bringing them meat and girls in exchange for vegetables. Which language do they speak? That of the Bantu for the most part, their own forgotten.
You lose again.
Show me the money, Janos 😉
ha ha
“You’re a pygmy, Pete, morally and mentally.”
That’s a Hobbit to you buddy 🙂
“Hobbits” – yet another fabulist race, victim to Maori genocide policies, in Janos’ warped historical view…
Janos by definition has a warped historical view – it’s the only one available in Podunk. He’s been nowhere, learnt nothing. Keyboard warrior is by far his highest attainment.
I believe Janos actually hails from cosmopolitan Boston. So less of an excuse, perhaps?
Having visited twice – and trodden an awful lot of pavement on the second visit – I wonder if we even unknowingly crossed paths. Before my CFN days it was…
Although I guess that’s a cue for someone to surmise that I was never there at all!
Do the math, Pete. Congress limits to maximum to $75,000 per year. You are suggesting $10,000 per month which exceeds the maximum. My suggestion is very conservative, limiting to $48,000 per year. I would means test it and only supplement existing income to bring everyone up to $48,000. If you already have an income of $48,000 you would not get a check. You would get zero because you already have $48,000 income. The purpose of redistribution is to lessen wealth inequality.
The purpose of redistribution is to lessen wealth inequality. – wpa
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It just makes me sick to see that some people have more money than others. The greater the variation the more it pisses me off.
Likewise, and even more sickening is knowing that some people are healthier than others. It is doubly sickening when wealthy people are also healthy while their opposite numbers are both poor and unhealthy. And it is fairly common that wealth and health go together while poverty and ill health are joined. We can’t let this continue. Surely some politician on the progressive left will make it their cause to close not only the wealth gap but the health gap as well.
Since, as we know, it is extremely difficult to make the sick healthy we must attack the problem from the opposite angle, namely to make the healthy unhealthy. There are so many ways this can be done that it is almost unnecessary to mention them. Force them to smoke, to adopt shitty eating habits, to abuse drugs and alcohol, etc. etc.. And now that we have the C-Virus our task is made more simple. Eliminate social distancing among the healthy. Jam them into theaters, churches and retail stores without benefit of face masks and hand sanitizers. The sick vs healthy gap can be closed in short order. I’m sure wpa and the rest of you lefties out there will join me in this most sensible solution to the problem of inequality. /sarc
“Do the math, Pete.”
I was being facetious… I understand that giving every person in the US $120K a year is nuts..
You wanna give everybody 48K a year! lol.. that’s pretty darn generous!
lol
Money for nuthin’, and the Covid for free.
LOL!
that’s great..
God has the power to eliminate Covid and does not stop the suffering. God is evil.
God would be evil if he existed … thank god he doesn’t.
She is a bitch.
He?
Mark Cuban thinks so too, but he’s putting his money where his mouth is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E3K3MoX5RU
We got to move these ventilators
We got to move these covod RVs
covid
Mr. Trump, people are dying: Where are the ventilators, where are the masks, where are the swabs, where are the ICU beds, where are the diagnostic tests? Eight weeks and still no sign of a president who can do more than use language full of superlatives about himself, punctuated with “we’ll see what happens” when asked for concrete dates for help. We are seeing what happens: Americans are dying.
Why you imbecilic fool US manufacturing was moved off shore and not by President Trump again you show no mental capacity to understand only foolish partisan rhetoric.
As someone else said they shat in your head and screwed the top back on.
SISO so to speak.
“Why you imbecilic fool US manufacturing was moved off shore and not by President Trump”
Actually, benr, pre-President Trump moved the production of his own actual luxury products to countries including, China, Mexico and Bangladesh. So he bears every bit as much responsibility for the phenomenon as any other business person. And more than most because of the ‘luxury’ component of his products, since I would assume the kind of people who buy Trump shirts and silk ties can afford a few dollars more to keep their compatriots in work.
In my humble view.
So at least you are technically correct in say it wasn’t ‘President Trump’. Rather it was ‘aspriring-President Trump’. Even then he knew who mattered and who didn’t. And guess what, it wasn’t American textile workers.
*in saying* (sorry, Q).
Well, the UPI reports, this PM, that fully 20% victims of the CV, between the ages of 20-44, are experiencing severe symptoms, and that one in 20 of those require intensive care in the hospital.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/03/19/One-in-five-people-under-44-with-COVID-19-experiences-severe-illness/4691584633025/?ds=4
The Raconteur is correct in that our health care
system will not be able to serve the number of victims that are projected…even in the best instance scenario.
California officials suggest that over 50% of the population of the entire state will become infected within the next two months.
I haven’t done the math, but that sounds like a lot….
California officials suggest that over 50% of the population of the entire state will become infected within the next two months.
If it’s 25 million say, and around 10% need some level of hospitalisation – I think the state is stuffed, even if Clint Eastwood opened up a few bedrooms in his Carmel hacienda. Cher too.
“You’re Gonna Need a Bigger Boat” – how about a couple of aircraft carriers moored at Long Beach – that might help.
We had a few nights in Long Beach … it’s a very quiet, clean, tidy town, with almost no human qualities – strange place. We went to the local CVS for a few supplies – it was the most exciting thing to do.
A few nights in Long Beach … was that right after you visited Harpers Ferry, ha?
Pretty obvious he never went to Long beach as its a hot bed of things to do!
Mr. Trump: Where are the tests?
Mr. Trump: Where is your wall. Did it fall?
Where are the tests? – wpa
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We don’t want no steenkeen tests. All that will do is reveal a higher rate of infection. Don’t be stupid Asoka. /s
The Golden Globe has also demanded that states do not release the climbing unemployment numbers. I love transparent open government, taking the people along with you when tough times happen.
I wonder how many rubes from Podunk – the Trump base – are among those people thrown out of a job? Good one Donald!
Was that fact reported in your ‘Sidney’ newspaper?
Ahahahahahahaha
Transparency is the enemy of national security. Some say, not I.
So now the partisan hack fool also blames the virus and the results of said virus on Donny?
You but show your stupidity again.
“Capitalism is an efficient system for a tiny elite to make money at a terrible cost, and an increasingly untenable one, to wider society – and only until that system shows itself to be no longer efficient. Then wider society has to pick up the tab, and assist the wealth-elite so the cycle can be begun all over again. Like a boot stamping on a human face – forever, as George Orwell warned long ago.“
I’m reading a pretty good novel right now about what life was like in the Soviet Union, under communism ‘Child 44’, by Tom Rob Smith. Do you know it? Plenty of boots on human faces, millions and millions, then a bullet to the back of the head. Does that sound better?
Hell no. But I’m not proposing that. You are! The Soviet Union described in Tom Rob Smith’s book is the Soviet Union of Joseph Stalin, a brutal dictator. Stalin hijacked ‘communism’ for his own despotic purposes.
The old ignorant saw of equating out of control bolshevism with all alternatives to the holy rape of unregulated capitalism is alive and well. As you demonstrate once again. Grow a brain.
And Stalin killed all the heroes of the revolution you nitwit.
But the point of my passage is not to suggest communism, Bolshevism, or anything else. Rather it is to engender thought about the stimulus packages which will be deployed against the virus wrecked economy. Once again the strategy will be to stabilize the economy by enriching the rich. The tried and true method of 2008 again.
Everybody will be fine with it and sheep will eat grass.
Yes he did that’s the thing about revolutions they always come back around and murder those that helped them along.
And back and forth it goes.
It’s always pretty quiet where I live. But this evening the peace was shattered when I walked out and noticed down the road that there was an ambulance in Mrs. Peggy’s driveway. Mrs. Peggy is a sweet lady in her eighties At night maybe a few cars go by on the road every hour or so. But tonight there hasn’t been any cars at all go by. I
Ooops I messed that post up. Anyhow a neighbor was taken to the hospital tonight. I didn’t get many details as to why but of course now you know what I’m thinking. And then after that it has been so quiet. Like literally no cars on the road. It’s really bizarre and not usual at all!
Were they foreign? I ask because you worry about that sort of thing.
Yeah well … I trust that your neighbour, and everyone else on your block, can stay safe and stay well.
This is a serious bug I think.
Mayor of Baltimore implores citizens to stop shooting each other after 8 people were shot Tuesday night “we need the beds for Covid 19 victims.” 50 citizens murdered so far in 2020.
This a little puzzling because after the Freddy Grey case the city cracked down on the police, who were said to be the root of the violence.
The real problems will come up when distinguished Baltimore residents start showing up at Johns Hopkins ER with Covid-19 and a gunshot wound.
Brh
Once the system is overloaded that won’t be a problem. Such cases will be turned away. ‘Distinguished’ won’t mean much when martial law comes down and if someone is hooked up enough to get treatment anyway it is not going to be ‘a problem’ by definition. It will be service with a smile.
You are a pretty serious racist slug … but I guess you don’t need me to tell you that. Have a great weekend.
You conflate racist with realist.
Do try and keep up.
I have proof positive that the Russians are creating a fear mongering media directed election influencing corona virus campaign. I’m writing (e-mailing my federal representatives (Reed Whitehouse (Ha!) Cicilline and the Crip demanding an investigation
Big deal, we all have proof. Big Orange is handling the crisis exactly as his Russian handlers wish; as we all can see. Trump is obviously not acting in the best interest of the American Nation so be must be doing the bidding of all the Russian casino laundered money he ever handled back in the day. It is the logical conclusion. Get back to us when you have real news.
Replace Russians with globalists who want to crash the economy for political reasons and you might be on to something.
This. I’m surprised K-Dog is still repeating that Russian nonsense. This whole fucking thing is looking more an more like a 9-11 false flag event, with bio-warfare substituted for drones into buildings.
Michael Bloomberg’s algorithm once sent me a message saying that he couldn’t do it all by himself and it included a photo of Michael Bloomberg hugging a black baby. The Rule is: Whenever you hear the word “Free”, be careful and don’t pick up the soap dropped on the public shower floor.
President Trump hand-signed one of our Keep America Great Hats and he wants YOU to have it.
This beautiful hat will go to a Patriot who has demonstrated their unwavering support for President Trump heading into November, and he can’t think of anyone who is more deserving of it than YOU.
He asked us to personally reach out to you to make sure you didn’t miss this opportunity to win a one-of-a-kind Keep America Great Hat hand-signed by YOUR President.
Here’s the best part: UNTIL 11:59 PM TONIGHT – ALL ENTRIES ARE FREE.
DOUBLE WHAMMY MEETS FREAKY DEAKY
You wouldn’t have thought so, but two momentous, earth shaking events have taken place within just the last four years, events linked by laxative, you might say.
First was the election of Donald Trump, with the first ‘draft of Dulcolax glugged by the Gods’, or so thought the Dems, but not near as potent as the second. Like Muhammed Ali, Trump shook up the world, upset the global order of things. It seemed that his re-election was almost a certainty with the economy humming along and his poll numbers rising. In spite of their never ending coup attempt, the Dems couldn’t take him down, and the world shake up would continue, but in ways no one could imagine.
Second was the Corona virus. As Jim has so colorfully, or maybe so colorectally stated, the now second draft of Dulcolax taken by the Gods is showering the world with shit so mercilessly that we are witnessing an extremely rare event, Diarrhea of the Deities.
So now it looks like Trump may finally be gone. A double dose of Dulcolax, years apart. It put Trump into office, and now it just might shit him out.
p.s. Spinks beat Ali in the first fight, lost the second.