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The Rainmakers

        This much can be stated categorically about the USA these days: the more distressed our economy gets, the more delusional thinking you will encounter. People want to assign the cause of their misery to this or that (socialism, abortion, Jews, the New World Order). People want to believe that their world is a safe place with bright prospects (climate change is a myth, we have a hundred years of shale oil). The realm of oil is especially ripe for misunderstanding, since we depend on the stuff so desperately, and the world’s geology is complex indeed, and then you have to bring math and money into the picture. But it’s another thing when professional propagandists take the stage and attempt to systematically mislead the public.
     Such is the case with two ersatz bombshells zinging across the web-waves this past week, fired off by two of the foremost professional liars on the scene. The first comes from the oil industry’s leading prostitute, Daniel Yergin of Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA), owned by the mammoth HIS consulting company. CERA is the main public relations shop for the oil industry. Its mission is to blow smoke up America’s ass in order to keep investment dollars flowing into oil companies because oil companies prefer to use other people’s money to perform their risky operations. They make a lot of money themselves, and accumulate it diligently, but they are not so foolish as to squander it on dry holes and adventures in alchemy.
      So, last week Daniel Yergin came out with a blast in the Wall Street Journal affecting to debunk peak oil. His own theory is much like Irving Fisher’s economic theory set out October 21, 1929 that “stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.”  Three days later, the markets crashed and the Great Depression commenced. Yergin says we’ve hit a permanent plateau for oil production. He is pimping for a bonanza in shale oil, tar sands, and other innovative ventures in picking “fruit” that is not hanging so low anymore. He says:
“Meeting future demand will require innovation, investment and the development of more challenging resources. A major reason for continuing growth in petroleum supplies is that oil previously regarded as inaccessible or uneconomical is now part of the mix, such as the “presalt” resources off the coast of Brazil, the vast oil sands of Canada, and the oil locked in shale and other rocks in the U.S.”
    Spoken like a true PR whore. Translation: give us money. Calling all investors. Give your dollars to the folks working the Bakken play, or Eagle Ford down in Texas. These shale plays represent oil that is trapped in “tight,” low-permeability rock that has to undergo fracturing operations (“fracking”) before you can drain it out. It costs a lot more to get oil this way than by sticking a pipe in the ground and running a pump-jack to get it out the old-fashioned way. There are more than a few dirty secrets about the shale oil plays, but the biggest one is that you have to throw a huge amount of capital and steel at it to keep it running as an ongoing enterprise, and that money – other people’s money – will be in shockingly short supply in the years head.
     Those troubles distant rumblings you hear in places like Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain – that’s the sound of the world’s money whooshing into a black hole, which is what happens when debts are not repaid. Something very similar is happening in the USA, where all the unresolved mega-borrowing of the past thirty years is whirling down the drain, never to be seen again, and a craven corporate oligarchy (there, I said it) is working tirelessly to hoard the last remaining vestiges of money before it either deflates across that event horizon, or inflates away to nothing by digital multiplication. In either case the result is the same: you’re broke.
     Here’s the truth about the US shale plays: they will never amount to more than about one million barrels-a-day (m/b/d) in production under any circumstances (the nation uses 19 m/b/d); and even more probably the money will not be there to keep the shale oil coming very many years into the future. You can take that to the bank (if your money has any value when you get there, and if the bank has not cratered).
     In our fugue of techno-narcissism, America wants to believe that we can just keep on being what we used to be, pizza, DisneyWorld, WalMart, and all. So, the second big buzz of the week came courtesy of Goldman Sachs, in a sloppy press release saying America would be the world’s top oil producer in 2017, at 10.9 m/b/d. The effrontery of these thieving pricks! They apparently pulled the information out of chief Goldman flak Lucas Van Praag’s ass. One might infer that Goldman Sachs is campaigning to raise money for the oil industry by suggesting a bonanza is underway. It’s a crude ruse. The actual “confidential” report – as opposed to the brief summary in the media – shows that Goldman Sachs arrives at this position by referring to non-oil substances as oil. Neat trick. Be sure to call Goldman Sachs to invest your remaining savings in algae secretions and ethanol.
     No doubt, though, that these two PR offensives will accomplish their secondary mission: to gird the hopes and wishes of the political right-wing, who are hell-bent on keeping this country from entering a plausible future. Watch these idea take flight and wonder that you live in such credulous nation.


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448 Responses to “The Rainmakers”

  1. kulturcritic* September 19, 2011 at 8:48 am #

    James – As the empire squirms towards its inevitable end, it is not only the politicians we have to worry about, like the warrior, Rep. Paul Ryan (R) with their declarations of war on Amerikans. Our standing army is the one executing on the bigger war strategies. September eleventh showed us that in spades.

  2. Solar Guy September 19, 2011 at 8:54 am #


  3. Neon Vincent September 19, 2011 at 8:56 am #

    Yeah, shale oil is right up there with shale gas, tar sands, and oil shale (Jim knows this is not the same thing, but some of you may not) as very dirty and expensive ways to keep the economy running on oil when it really should be running on something else. I have first hand experience with oil shale technology that permanently soured me on oil shale as a source of energy. Time for my standard rant against oil shale.
    My first job after graduating with a B.S. in Geology in 1981 was to work for one of two contractors for Getty Oil (later acquired by Texaco and now subsumed in Chevron) who were trying to demonstrate the efficacy of using technology developed for oil shale to extract asphaltum from diatomaceous earth. The contractor I worked for built a pilot plant that dissolved the asphalt using hot gasoline as a solvent. That approach failed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was that the plant was built at 1/4 scale, including the pipes, which caused the gasoline-diatomite slurry to clog wherever the pipes changed direction. The other competitor built a full-sized (production-scale) retort that baked the diatomite to extract the asphalt, then centrifuged it to separate the liquid. The remaining diatomite was then blown out of the retort tower. The result was a cloud of dust that reduced visibility to 100 feet and blocked out the Sun for 5-10 miles downwind. That technology won and is among those that Chevron has on the shelf right now. If that’s what the oil shale future looks like, then the Green River Basin is going to be an ugly place. 😛
    I haven’t posted the above or its sequel to Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, but I will. Instead, I found the perfect illustration for my response to Jim’s remarks last week about bloodthirsty Aztec gods, which I expanded into a post of its own.

  4. kulturcritic* September 19, 2011 at 8:58 am #

    James, the country runs on snake oil salesmen and pitchmen… has for a long time, just look at the current Clown in charge.

  5. asoka. September 19, 2011 at 9:12 am #

    The oil companies responsible for global warming, which is causing havoc due to extreme climate change in so many places, are going to benefit from global warming.
    Now that the polar ice fields are melting getting cheap, easy oil the traditional way, by sticking a pipe down and pumping, is going to become more and more possible, INCREASING world oil reserves.
    According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the Arctic may hold up to 90 billion barrels of recoverable oil. For comparison purposes, this is twice the amount produced from the North Sea since the 1960s.
    Norway and Russia are not sweating peak oil. They are doing the easy drilling in newly discovered Arctic fields and easily doubling their reserves.

  6. doomster September 19, 2011 at 9:12 am #

    Excellent post… There sure is a lot of propaganda out there – look at the miracle they try to portray nuclear power as, even though it would go nowhere without government-supplied subsidies, loans, waste storage and insurance. They’ve also convinced everyone that the richest nation in the world is “broke” and we only have money to spend on the military and bailing out corporations. The government should be cutting spending like this: http://www.lesswaiting.com/spending.shtml

  7. Tangurena September 19, 2011 at 9:25 am #

    There are a number of books that describe how the PR industry blows smoke up our ass:
    Trust Us, We’re Experts is one, and Toxic Sludge Is Good For You is another. Both show how the same techniques used by the tobacco industry to delay, hide and confuse scientific evidence for 100 years are being used in other industries in the US in order to bamboozle the public.

  8. pedal pusher September 19, 2011 at 9:30 am #

    One of your best posts. I’d add that the oil men fail to address EROEI when projecting future energy bonanzas – not a small matter!
    Note to Kulturcritic: I’ll deal with you latter about Abram and the HGs.(not a rock band.)

  9. asoka. September 19, 2011 at 9:31 am #

    The impression given this week is that easy oil is done, the low hanging fruit has been picked, and now non-traditional techniques are the only ones being used. This is not true.
    In Colombia both light and heavy oil has been discovered recently in the Llanos Mirador resevoir.
    Sweet light crude has been discovered recently in Argentina (in the Precuyo formation).
    Total has large gas-condensate find off Azerbaijan
    French Guiana has found new oil in the Atlantic.
    A successful appraisal well in a previously untested northern segment of Mad Dog field in the US Gulf of Mexico has hiked the complex’s resource to as much as 4 billion bbl of oil equivalent in place, rivaling that of Thunder Horse.
    TransAtlantic Petroleum Ltd., Dallas, has completed a new oil field discovery in the Cretaceous Mardin Group in southeastern Turkey.
    New Zealand Energy Corp. has gauged a light oil discovery at the Copper Moki-1 well in New Zealand’s Taranaki basin.
    In other words, a lot of traditional drilling is happening. It ain’t all fracking.

  10. Nikki NZ September 19, 2011 at 9:39 am #

    Are you sure Goldman Sachs didn’t include Snakeoil in their calculations??

  11. asoka. September 19, 2011 at 9:41 am #

    EROEI don’t lie! If there is no profitable oil to be had, the oil companies go bust. Judging by recent quarters, the profits indicate the EROEI is very favorable.
    I am opposed to fracking for environmental reasons. But saying “It costs a lot more to get oil this way than by sticking a pipe in the ground…” does not say anything about the oil companies’ bottom line. As long as a profit can be made they will continue to increase hydrocarbon exploitation, environment be damned.
    Of course, they cannot increase production if, as peak oil would have it, global reserves are declining. The fact that producers are increasing reserves, through traditional drilling in the Arctic and other places, must mean peak oil has not been reached. Because EROEI don’t lie!

  12. casual observer September 19, 2011 at 9:41 am #


  13. 3rd Generation September 19, 2011 at 9:44 am #

    Blah blah blah blah blah.
    Cut out the boring repetitive oil shit and get to what’s Really Important.
    Who will win the Emmys and who will show up with the biggest tits? and WHO will Charlie Sheen DO next? After all, something has to tide over the stupid, imbecilic innumerate asshole sheep commonly known as “americans” (lower case A) between NASCAR and Dancing. . .
    Wait untill the Food Stamps ATM runs out.
    Ka BOOM.

  14. Norman Conquest September 19, 2011 at 9:47 am #

    This type of disinformation is spread far and wide throughout all issues of importance, as well as frivolity, today. The result is not only mass confusion but the inability to confront the real problems that we face due to the delusional framework of ideas. This, I believe, is a by-product of our “so-called” Democracy. The myth that we all have a say in the decisions that affect us is used repeatedly to bludgeon us with disinformation in order to render all such national conversations counter-productive. In the end, which this surely is, we are left with a modern day Tower of Babel, as if everyone is speaking a different language. This plays perfectly into the hands of the “craven corporate oligarchy” by rendering public discourse unintelligible and, therefore, counterproductive in dealing with the daunting problems that we all face.
    The ultimate result of such widespread disinformation leaves us isolated as individuals and impotent as a society. The sorry result of all this is evident on this website as on many others. One can only sit back and watch in frustration and helplessness as the clarity, eloquence, and value of Jim’s words are gradually obfuscated by the cacophony of the comments to follow.

  15. lbendet September 19, 2011 at 9:56 am #

    Thank you,Thank you,Thank you, JHK
    For the post today.
    It perfectly illustrates what was so wrong about the TOD posts I referred to yesterday.
    I couldn’t help but laugh when I saw our friends at Goldman Sachs telling everyone how hot this was going to be for investment. The US will be the biggest oil producer in the world by 2017! Unbelievable and it is, you all know.
    GS is going for a repeat performance of betting against their own investors with shale oil instead of housing this time. That’s the way they make their bib bucks. When nobody gets punished for betting against their clients, well then all you can do is expect more of the same.
    One more thing I mentioned last week is that oh, we don’t have money for infrastructure, but when it comes to laying down cable under the Atlantic for stock trades to go 6 nanoseconds faster—always unlimited funds for that.
    All that exists is the stock market. All other economic activity, such as producing things of value… is a figment of our imaginations.

  16. Alannala September 19, 2011 at 9:57 am #

    was it a strategy to stick to the economics of the issue, rather than such other horrendous spectres as destruction of the country’s groundwater supplies by fracking with lethal chemicals.
    on the positive side, what has been done to improve the outlook? what action do we take that would be the most intelligent response to the crisis ahead? If we can’t rely on government action, what then is left for individuals and like minded groups to do?

  17. anti soak September 19, 2011 at 9:58 am #

    I read 40% of young folks in Euroland are unemployed.
    Thanks for the Yergin quote…
    Kinda like Mad Magazines ‘What me worry’?

  18. Phutatorius September 19, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    Jim, you probably know these things already, but the appropriate word for the arguments you cite above is “meretricious.” JK Galbraith made a wonderful, complicated joke based on this word when he referred to main-stream, Chicago school, neo-classical, econometricians following in the footsteps of Alfred Marshall as “economeretricians.”

  19. hmuller September 19, 2011 at 10:13 am #

    Asoka, I guess you haven’t heard. Global warming (to the extent it ever happened) was part of a natural solar cycle. Or do you believe our CO2 also made other planets in the solar system hotter? Now the process has stopped. All the fraudulent data from the Univ. of East Anglia and the carbon bloated Al Gore can’t change that. But for people like you Global Warming is a religion and no evidence matters. Enjoy your Gaia worship.

  20. spencerpsn September 19, 2011 at 10:19 am #

    “the political right-wing, who are hell-bent on keeping this country from entering a plausible future.”
    James! What’s this shit? It’s beneath us as fully operational intellects to engage is this sort of partisan fuckwittery. Sure “the right”, and their favoured vehicle; the GOP, are contemptible assclowns unworthy of anything other than scornful derision but we expect anything better from the Democrats? Seriously? Where’s that coming from?
    Remember that Progressive means Progress! There isn’t a single self identifying “lefty” in the USA who isn’t utterly unthinkingly convinced that one of these days his robot butler is going to be polishing his Ford Enlightenment hovercar in preparation for the Gay Black Robotic Rights March 2025. If your expecting these people to be overcome by a sudden affinity for a Jeffersonian agricultural republic based on respect for complex political freedoms, well if you were disappointed about Obama’s railroad…….
    Face it James, Karmic justice has slated the whole race of dumbfuck registered voters for exquisitely vile annihilation, to object would be like objecting to the operation of gravity, a pointless insult offered to the majesty of the cosmic order of righteousness these pricks have so sorely offended.
    Get yourself a 90” plasma, a laz-e-boy, a pallet of Budweiser, settle back and enjoy the show. It’s Nature’s way man.

  21. Candide September 19, 2011 at 10:21 am #

    Neon Vincent: Interesting what you had to say about shale oil production. That big dust cloud technology might actually get praised by certain individuals because if we blot out the sun, it will contribute to global cooling, which will help offset global warming (which those same individuals claim is a hoax).
    There is actually a serious proposal to try to cool the globe by deliberately putting sulfur-oxide into the atmosphere, creating an affect similar to what occurs during volcanic eruptions. Yes, dims the sunlight, cools the earth…and causes droughts and acid rain.
    Well, there are many folks who enjoy science fiction and think we can geo-engineer Mars to make it habitable. Turns out we are instead conducting a massive geo-engineering project right here on planet earth, to make it uninhabitable.

  22. Belisarius September 19, 2011 at 10:28 am #

    One of many reasons Ghaddafi had to go is oil production was geared to his idea of Lybia’s economic need, not the West’s oil thirst. Also much of the country is yet to be proved for reserves. Both are likely to change soon.
    Fracking is a disgusting ecological travesty, but apparently profitable.
    Peak oil is inevitable, but promoting its imminence raises ecological and price tolerance in addition to oil profits.
    IMHO if the oil party ends soon, it is more likely to be caused by economic collapse and war, with an assist from Mother Earth.

  23. loveday September 19, 2011 at 10:32 am #

    Hi Jim and all the gang
    Yup the whole Euro thing is just about to go tits up. News out this AM that Greece will cut 100,000 thousand more jobs by closing two state run organizations. WHOWEE… who was the brain surgeon who came up with that socalled solution??? The inference to be drawn from this furthering of austerity in Greece is that the folks at the IMF, ECB and the Euro parliament want to see bloodshed and violence in Greece. After all the unemployment level in Greece is so high at this point that the PTB are guaranteed an angry, restless, hungry mob with nothing but time on their hands to slowly starve to death. Also did anyone catch the video of Nigel Farage leading the funeral procession of the Euro?… absolutely priceless stuff. That guy is completely fearless, he calls it like he sees it. If anyone gets the chance, check out some of his speeches to the Euro parliament, his caustic delivery has scorched a few Eurocrats plump posteriors, particularly Mr van Rompuy, truly worth watching, I give him a triple A rating!!!
    Meanwhile conditions continue to deteriorate in the US with Obama’s newest giveaway to corporations to increase employment, what a visionary that Obama is, change you can believe in… But not to worry the NFL season is on, Halloween is just around the corner and the TSA is almost daily discovering they employ a workforce of criminals. TOOOOO SWEEEET.

  24. SNAFU September 19, 2011 at 10:33 am #

    Asoka claims “According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the Arctic may hold up to 90 billion barrels of recoverable oil. For comparison purposes, this is twice the amount produced from the North Sea since the 1960s.”
    Wow! Let us all sit back and enjoy the possibilities that 90*10^9/80*10^6/365= 3 extra years of oil that the raping of the Arctic will provided at the current worldwide consumption of approximately 80 million barrels per day.
    Come on global warming, melt that Arctic ice; easy streets just around the corner, fuck the Polar Bears. My kinda guys!

  25. ElleBeMe September 19, 2011 at 10:34 am #

    YOu may all wish to have a look at this….
    The old economy is failing. A new economy is sprouting like shoots after a forest fire. This transition to new ways of understanding and organizing work is as significant as the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture 11,000 years ago and from agriculture to industry a few hundred years ago.
    From Detroit, Michigan, where industrial jobs are gone forever, to points across the globe, there are exciting and moving stories of invention and reinvention.
    In October 2011 in Detroit, a groundbreaking conference will gather thinkers and doers from the worlds of activism, community organizing, labor, crafts, media, entrepreneurship, the arts, academe, and ‘green’—in a 3-day collaborative discussion. You will come away inspired by people with whom you can collaborate in this profound economic and spiritual transformation.
    Maybe out there in corn-pone land, some people are taking notice and organizing to do something :>)
    Hey, I’ll take any smidgen of good news, in light of the daily shite, I can!

  26. wagelaborer September 19, 2011 at 10:36 am #

    You’re too modest, lbendet. You predicted that that is what JHK would write about.
    I just had breakfast (I’m on Amtrak) with a man who is buying up old trunk railroad lines and running very small trains on them.
    It involves redoing the lines that have been neglected for decades.
    Well. Alright. Talk about rebuilding the new society in the crumbling bowels of the old.

  27. kulturcritic* September 19, 2011 at 10:41 am #

    Nikki – Didn’t I mention GS in the snake oil bit; just an oversight!!

  28. Smokyjoe September 19, 2011 at 10:43 am #

    JHK has, at times, this seeming wish to see us revert to 1830s lives (if we are lucky).
    While I see Yergin as a shill, I don’t think we’ll revert to anything as grim as Jim, Richard Heinberg, and others predict.
    We’ll limp along like an underpopulated version of Soylent Green, with everything grimy, battered, pieced-together, undernourished. There will be enough oil and coal and steel to keep us limping.
    That future will look like 1930. Millions of Americans are already living there. Millions more will, soon. And the wonderful new finds of oil in the deep ocean and under the vanishing icecap?
    Norway, Russian, China, Canada, and whatever is left of a flat-broke America will play an new “Great Game” there and go to war in some combination. More squalor, but unless the nukes fly, no Dark Age.

  29. wagelaborer September 19, 2011 at 10:47 am #

    That’s what I’ve been saying.
    Enough with the begging for our corporate masters to give us jobs. Jobs, no matter how evil or destructive they may be, as long as they give us a paycheck.
    So people frack, and make depleted uranium weapons, and blow up moutains, and dragnet the ocean floors, cause it pays really good, and they can buy shiny trinkets.
    We need to decide as a society what we need to have a decent, sustainable life, and then divide the work necessary to achieve it among those able to work.

  30. TerrrierJack September 19, 2011 at 10:54 am #

    RON PAUL – STUPIDITY, AVARICE, RACISM – simple lies for simple minds. Every wing of the GOP catapults the same lies.

  31. wagelaborer September 19, 2011 at 10:58 am #

    Last night I was on this blog, and posted a couple of comments, and then – whammo! I tried to post something to Oz—- and it cut me off twice and then said I was no more.
    But, today, hey, no problem. Hmmmm
    Anyway, I went back and looked at the comments and I see that Asoka defended Obama for making speeches about how the rich should pay their share of taxes. And Asoka was very impressed with these speeches.
    Well, I, too am impressed with the speech. Right on Obama!
    Too bad that I remember that last December, when the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the White House, they extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
    Watch what they do, not what they say.

  32. steve September 19, 2011 at 10:59 am #

    Yep, the political leftists love to walk and ride around in horse carts.

  33. Neon Vincent September 19, 2011 at 11:03 am #

    Unfortunately for the proponents of geoengineering, that dust cloud wouldn’t reach the stratosphere without the equivalent of a volcanic eruption propelling it, so it wouldn’t cool the Earth, just pollute it. Also, thanks for pointing out that a lot of those people are talking out of both sides of their mouths by denying climate change at the same time they’re proposing a technological fix to keep burning fossil fuels. The compartmentalized thinking is breathtaking.
    As for geoengineering the planet to make it uninhabitable, I don’t think humans are up to turning Earth into Venus through a runaway greenhouse effect. We are capable of increasing the average global temperature 10C. That won’t make the planet unsuitable for life. The Jurassic and Eocene experienced climates that warm, and the fossil record showed there was plenty of life. However, those were time periods when there were no humans. I have my doubts that such a world would be hospitable for our species and grave doubts that our civilization would survive the transition to it.

  34. Steve D September 19, 2011 at 11:04 am #

    People want to believe that their world is a safe place with bright prospects (technology will save us, iPad is the future!)
    You forgot that

  35. SNAFU September 19, 2011 at 11:05 am #

    Howdy HMuller, Did you ever hear tell about the cigarette smoking causes cancer debate that transpired, for oh 60-70 years, in the USA? During the debate, wherein close to 100% of health professionals were convinced that it was true, cigarette manufacturing interests lobbied the Congress, with their technical shills, incessantly to preclude the passage of laws restricting their rights to manufacture and sell cigarets. I do believe they do so to this day.
    Do you think there is a possibility of a similar comparison of techniques between cigarette manufactures and global warming deniers? No; I did not think you would.

  36. Neon Vincent September 19, 2011 at 11:05 am #

    Re-imagining work is holding a conference in Detroit? Thanks for posting that link. It’s exactly what I should be covering on my blog!

  37. Bludawg September 19, 2011 at 11:13 am #

    Propagandists: I really don’t know who to believe any more, so I’m suspect of all talking heads and “experts”. My eyes and my gut tell me that we’re accelerating down a path to a place we don’t want to be. And the more they yap their faces, the faster we’re getting there.
    Goldman Sachs: really? Trust those blood sucking, self centered thieves to solve the world’s problems? The stock market is gambling, if you ask me. Now you see your money, now you don’t. It just makes someone else rich.
    I’m investing in being self sufficient. I’m a long ways from it, but closer than I was last year. It’s becoming a world where you better take care of yourself because no one else will.
    Fracking: PLEASE don’t pollute my water. If the water is contaminated we have NOTHING. Is running to the mall really more important than clean water? Get your head out of your i-Pad and answer me!
    It amazes me how people walk around blindly. When I hear phrases like, “when the economy improves…,” I shake my head. Maybe there’s bliss in ignorance.
    Thanks for keeping us on track, Mr. Kunstler.

  38. loveday September 19, 2011 at 11:19 am #

    Hey all,
    I wanted to update CFNer’s about an interview on Al Jazeera with Steven Chao who discusses the fact that 1 billion becquerels of radiation is being released on a daily basis from Fukushima and he also states Tokyo will probably have to be evacuated. Quick!!! everyone look surprised. Also recent reports from St Louis MO state radiation levels in rainfall have risen to 1.3 milibequerels per hour, a pretty high number. Get your lead lined raincoat and umbrella folks, and no dancing in the rain it could be fatal.
    So the slow motion disaster and evacuation in Japan continues, while governments take ostrich like stances in response to the greatest disaster in human history. Once again …quick look surprised….

  39. noel bodie September 19, 2011 at 11:20 am #

    To continue with the “delusional thinking” of today’s post by exploring things dramaturgical as Jim with BIG SLIDE has a sweet tooth for such: I refer to Ibsen and A DOLL’S HOUSE, which in it’s day was revolutionary and threatening to the status quo. The play has been interpreted as an opening discussion on feminism and spawned many earnest productions in the 70’s pointed that way…Nora a heorine, her husband a creep. That was then, but a closer reading suggests that Ibsen is actually exploring the the high cost of DELUSIONL thinking and in the case of Ibsen his immediate target is the specific popular ideology of Romanticism. The play ends in absolute despair and I fear we are headed in the same direction.

  40. SRL September 19, 2011 at 11:21 am #

    The problem being that the USA is a nation of chumps and suckers that will attempt to ignore reality until there is absolutely no choice (.i.e. jobless, hungry and living on the street).
    Maximum Advantage

  41. Linda H September 19, 2011 at 11:25 am #

    Avast mateys Its international talk like a pirate day SO.. Before those scurvy dogs in DC and Wall Street hang us all from the yardarm we should send them to Davey Jone’s Locker. Maybe we could start with that foul, wastrel Yergin. Should we keelhaul him first or just make him walk the plank? Our treasure has been plundered so raise a tankard in remembrance.
    Alas, back to the real world. I really do love my Mondays here at CF Nation. Having TLPD happen on the same day was just too big a temptation.
    Quick question, James, are you going to discuss Rand Paul’s Right to Work petition before or after he turns us all into serfs for the oligarchy? I can’t see that bit of nonsense doing anything else.

  42. DeeJones September 19, 2011 at 11:33 am #

    Asoka, you really should read the postings on The Oil Drum regarding arctic oil.
    If you do a little research, you will find that its not all that easy to get to, unlike, say, in Texas. In the Arctic seas, you have only a very short time during the summer weeks where you will have easy access to the drilling sites. During the winter, even with so-called global warming, it is extreamly difficult to drill there, you have icebergs for instance. If an iceberg is coming towards your rig, you have only one option, move the rig, if possible, until the berg passes by. Then try to re-attach back to the wellhead. What happens if you don’t get the rig out of the way? You don’t want to know, but do you think for one moment that a sub-sea blowout like the Horizon would be fixable in the Arctic? From what I have read, such an incident would be far worse, especially if it happened in the winter, when they might not be able to get a second drill ship there to try to drill a releaf well or plug well. You would have heavy crude boiling out of the seabed until the spring thaw, or later, and by then the Arctic would be a huge dead zone. Are you truly advocating such a thing?
    If the US would only mandate higher fuel efficiency for its autos, there would be no need for that.
    Oh, and I noticed from one of your posts last week that you have either started drinking tequila, or the koolaid of the aibotic oil nuts who think the center of the earth is nothing but a nice, creamy oil filled candy that all we need to do is stick a straw into. A total fantasy. Get real.
    Later, dood.

  43. ElleBeMe September 19, 2011 at 11:43 am #

    My pleasure [posting it. I saw it on another blog I frequent http://www.feministe.us/blog and knew the EXACT crowd of people for whom it would be most appreciated :>)
    It was refreshing to see a conference being organized with the caveat that THE OLD ECONOMY IS DYING. NO shite sherlock….. So how do we go forward….and lo and behold, people are beginning to make those steps on more than the individual level

  44. ozone September 19, 2011 at 11:49 am #

    Somebody ask these high-priced whores where they’re hiding all these new refineries to process the coming bonanza.
    Uh… whad’dya mean there AREN’T ANY?
    Oopsie, somebody’s being hornswoggled here…

  45. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 12:21 pm #

    we should send them to Davey Jone’s Locker.
    I knew Davey possessed a Locker but I never knew Davey’s last name was Jone. I guess that is why you refered to his Locker as Davey Jone’s Locker rather than Davey Jones’ Locker or Davey Jones’s Locker.

  46. Steve M. September 19, 2011 at 12:26 pm #

    Well, solar energy is a nonstarter after the Solyndra scandal. 🙁

  47. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm #

    get a second drill ship there to try to drill a releaf well
    Re-leaf is what trees do after fall and winter are over and spring has begun.
    And BTW Dee, are you sure your last name isn’t Jone and that therefore I am replying to DeeJone’s comment?

  48. sooty September 19, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

    I would like to see a response to Asoka’s list of recent test wells, etc. Not that anyone should be burning the stuff, regardless of where found, but does anyone have a sense of the veracity of these “finds” and where it places the Peak Oil estimates?

  49. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    Asoka is Black or at least sooty and so is Obama. Therefore Asoka likes Obama. Oil is Black and Asoka is too – Asoka likes Oil.

  50. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 12:50 pm #

    Party meeting in Chicago? Say hi to Gloria Steinem for me if you see her.

  51. willow September 19, 2011 at 12:54 pm #

    All hail the Kustlermeister! I have World made by hand in my hot hands–and beer and cigarettes!
    Onward willow!
    I’ll report back later.
    Roll over, bend over he who’s not for me is against me. . . .
    Can’t you hear the horses?,.
    the only hope is in flight–every fortress becomes a trap. . . .
    of course there is the link up with your commmunity option–become One with all who share your turf. Your tribe.
    but we are all lone wolves.

  52. anonymouse September 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm #

    who needs oil…?…i’ll just drive my electric car or my switchgrass ethanol car right….forget that. i want my hover car i was promised 50 years ago….

  53. budizwiser September 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm #

    Hey JK, kind of phoning it in? But I get your point -no one knows how to make it rain, no matter how many governments protect how many bond holders and screw who knows how many “normal” people.
    I’ve been reading, and you get enough info from the Eurozone – its possible to notice some cracks in the S.S. Status Grow.
    Can you imagine it? Geithner’s over there telling them to leverage the bond bank ten-fold -and some jerk face spits back some weird ideas about taxing stock transactions?
    On the sunny side people are banging on bank doors in France yelling – yes it is – yes it is – Greece IS in default -pony up on my debt insurance or I’ll take my ball and go home.
    How much longer can dual realities co-exist? In any case I like the story-arc.
    World War III might well start in Greece….

  54. Elrond Hubbard September 19, 2011 at 1:00 pm #

    I’ve been away from the comments for a bit. Looks like hmuller is our new resident troll-du-jour, trotting out the same old canards like the East Anglia non-scandal (but exquisitely timed to foil the Copenhagen climate conference, wasn’t it just?).
    Also, kudos to JHK for an exceptionally good posting this week — lots of hard info. Not that I don’t enjoy his more free-floating rants, as well.

  55. helen highwater September 19, 2011 at 1:01 pm #

    I think you should do a little research on Ron Paul before you start singing his praises.

  56. helen highwater September 19, 2011 at 1:05 pm #

    HMuller, I guess you haven’t heard that 90% of the world’s climate scientists agree that the burning of fossil fuels over the past 200 years has increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, leading to such consequences are arctic ice melting, unprecedented weather events all over the world, droughts, flooding, extreme hurricanes, etc. But I guess you have your head stuck firmly in the sand so best you just keep it there to avoid hearing anything that might make you see the truth.

  57. Elrond Hubbard September 19, 2011 at 1:06 pm #

    Oh Vlad, still suffering from the same mental deformity I see. Not just a racist, but so helplessly sunk in your racism, you can’t conceive that the rest of the world doesn’t share your putrid motives. I pity you.

  58. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 1:06 pm #

    The new feminist version is Joan Davey. In the future, the first man on the moon will be a Black Woman named Neela Armstrong.

  59. Desertrat September 19, 2011 at 1:10 pm #

    I’m a believer in Peak Oil, but that doesn’t mean I think we’ll run out in the next five or ten years. There is still a lot of our lifeblood out there; it’s just going to become increasingly expensive.
    Many ways we can augment the remaining supplies, of course, particularly in this worldwide economic slump. SFAIK, our military is the largest single user of transportation fuel. And we’ve all talked of vehicle fuel economy…
    But how about the other half of a barrel of oil or of about half to two-thirds of natural gas? Hey, there are some 300 or more consumer products derived from natural gas. Think plastics. Same for oil: From nylon undies to road tar.
    But as Jim points out, TPTB will continue to strive for “life as it has always been” and so, “It must continue at all cost!” It’s what the voters want, right?

  60. helen highwater September 19, 2011 at 1:10 pm #

    Qshtik, isn’t there some kind of medication you can take for your incessant pickiness?

  61. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 1:12 pm #

    America will split into violently hostile racial enclaves when the SHTF just as Middle Earth did. All enlightened Men, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, and Ents know this. Elrond certainly did. Only fools and women of both genders don’t. You take after Hubbard more than Elrond – a Con artist.

  62. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm #

    What happened with Solyndra btw?

  63. Grouchy Old Girl September 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm #

    Something about having to move the oil rigs in the Arctic when an iceberg appears got me thinking how much our situation is like the experience of the Titanic. Led by the captain of the Titanic who, like the designers and owners of the thing, thought the boat simply could not sink, warnings were ignored as the ship cruised in the dark towards a looming iceberg. The passengers, meanwhile, believing the same myth, danced the night away until the unthinkable happened.
    We are all on the Titanic, waiting for the crash. Those few of us who have an inkling of what’s coming are lining up now, hoping for a life jacket and a spot on a lifeboat. Notice that it’s mostly the rich folks in the line-up and the folks in steerage have been locked inside.

  64. ctemple September 19, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    I am glad to see that you are back with your usual penatrating insights into modern life.
    For a while there I was worried that you were actually going to contribute something to this blog except being a human spell checker, not to worry!

  65. insufferable September 19, 2011 at 2:22 pm #

    I enjoyed your comments up to the last paragraph. Even you seem like you have given up by stating that one party is worse than the other. As far as I can see, the democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans, and the liberal left thinking has just as many liars and sickos as the conservative right wing thinking. Picking on a “group” on either side as better or worse, or more evil or more good is totally ridiculous. Both parties are leading to the black hole of destruction of the american people. They are both self serving and whores for money. They will say anything whether its in the name of God, or the name of the poor, or in the name of the American Middle Class. The bottom line for each party is: How long can we keep the american in the dark and fool him into believing we will actually help him believe in the american dream again. ITS OVER.

  66. insufferable September 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

    BRAVO TO YOU! Your comments have a great ring of truth to them. You were right on in your assessment of this weeks blog. I agree 100 percent with you, both parties are liars and whores. It is natures way. Its basically over for the baby boomers. I can only hope by the time my son, who is 16, is able to find a career, that the concept of “career” still exists in this country.

  67. Hallaballoo September 19, 2011 at 2:32 pm #

    Hello Fellow Whom-evers,
    I decided that my 1st post to this particular website would be a prediction, in honour of/to show much appreciation to our head klusterfucker-at-large, Mr. JHK.
    The Koch bros have decided, with an O.K. from the few other masters of the known and unknown universe, that January 19, 2016 is THE date in which the REAL New world Order begins its long march.
    While america’s next election [the 2012 pressie fuckfest] is somewhat up-for-grabs [though I sincerely believe the Koooooches wish/want to see the Dims {Obama} keep a firm grip/ownership of the current shit-storm] the 2016 pressie election will unfold in a perfect manner.
    N. Portman explained, in the mid-1970’s, just how television would be our portal to the Age of Stupidity and he was/is right. It is all around us [and everyone else] so enough written.
    In fact it is because of this reason {the Age of Stupidity] that 2016 is the fascist’s “time”. The more stupidity the more everything plays into the Koooooches’ hands/plans.
    The Koooooches are very much satisfied with the current crop of “complete and utter assholes” whether said assholes are teabaggers, repukes, and/or dipsticks with enough money to play. It is a very real part of their plan.
    Come 2015 [or possibly earlier depending how “television” wishes to stage future elections {I favour something akin to america’s got talent, sorry, got the shits} Stanley Allen McChrystal will be announced as the CHOSEN repuke candidate.
    The deal breaker – hey look a repuke who is able to speak coherently which means he may be intelligent. Besides he was a 4-star killer which is all gravy, non ?
    The rest, as “THEY” say/write, will be SOP.
    Have fun running with this gem.

  68. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    I plan to run my car on Petroleum Jelly from Walmart. It’s lubrication man. Also grease from hair products can be used.

  69. insufferable September 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm #

    Dear Halla:
    I especially like the “age of stupidity”. It fits the exact description of the culture. You are very funny, albiet in a bitter sweet way, in your explanation of the current state of affairs, (and in Washington, it is a literal and figurative use of the word affairs.) Yes, we are f##ked and the elections are rigged. (for a long time now) and the people running are just racehorses for the shadow govt. The sheeple who stand on the long “security lines” at airports will continue to allow themselves to be treated like criminals, the chinese and mexicans will continue to make our goods and the sheeple in america will still buy them and believe the Obama when he says the rich will pay for it all (I am surprised he isn’t wearing green tights and carrying a bow and arrow, with Michelle playing the Maid Marian part), I am sure the people who watch Jersey Shore and Housewives will think Obama was one of the contestants on a fashion talent program, and actually vote for him in the next election based on his outfit.

  70. insufferable September 19, 2011 at 3:00 pm #

    Petroleum Jelly has the word Petroleum in it and the greenies will most probably think you are an ignoramous. Even though I did laugh out loud when I read your comment. Very funny!!

  71. progress2conserve September 19, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

    Nice weeks work, JHK. Thanks as always.
    “People want to believe that their world is a safe place with bright prospects (climate change is a myth, we have a hundred years of shale oil).”
    True enough, and it’s likely to be a natural tendency, hardwired into the human psyche by 10’s of thousands of years of evolution. And it is a natural tendency that has served the human species quite well for MOST of those years. One has to consider the demise of the Easter Islanders, or the Mayans, or the Greenland Norse – to find societies where a hopeful business-as-usual attitude lead to death of the society.
    (EVERYBODY in leadership should read Collapse by Jared Diamond – to get the idea that sometimes a happy and hopeful BAU – leads to collapse and death.)
    And – AND, society NOW is global – and becoming MORE global with each passing year. Doesn’t that mean that societal demise would be global, also. As one small example, consider the exported US grain harvest, and how many people are dependent on it worldwide. That grain harvest could fail. And use of that grain harvest is also dependent on fossil fuel, and fertilizer, and efficient – relatively cheap – sea transport.
    In other words – things are more tenuous than they appear at first glance.
    And first glance doesn’t look all that promising, either.

  72. hmuller September 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm #

    Howdy Snafu. Your logic is so advanced it eludes me. You seem to be saying: deniers of cigarette harmfulness were wrong, therefore deniers of man-made global warming must be wrong. I suppose then deniers on any issue must be wrong, including those who deny what the deniers are saying. My head spins.

  73. Good Guy September 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

    Peak oil is real, and Americans are completely DELUSIONAL. An Associated Press story today reports on a poll where 20% of Americans expect to become millionaires in the next 10 years.
    (currently 1.6% are) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/millionaires-in-us_n_969787.html

  74. hmuller September 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    Hello Helen dear. What I love most about you global warming people is that when it’s too hot, too cold, too dry, too wet, when there’s any kind of weather at all: You say: See we were right! Read what Lord Monckton has to say if you actually have an open mind.

  75. Bustedcelt September 19, 2011 at 3:37 pm #

    Sorry to say, peak oil was never successfully sold to the American public. When I bring up the subject, I get just blank stares that are obviously hoping that the next topic is “what’s for dinner”. My question is, why have the usual shills picked this time to attack peak oil when it is already on the ropes? Is it the desire of the prez to end subsidies? Probably.

  76. JulettaofOhio September 19, 2011 at 3:41 pm #

    Oh, wow! Rebuttal by atom bomb! Surely you’re aware there is no more vile epitaph that calling someone a “racist”, except, perhaps, to label them a Tea Partier. Is Vlad supposed to now retire in shame and confusion, uttering a plethora of Mea Magna Culpas?
    If there is spark of dignity and truthfulness in you, you’ll have to admit that BO was elected only because he is a Mulatto, which is not a racial slur. Look it up. If he were white, there would have been no end to the investigations and queries about both his sanity and his alleged accomplishments.
    As an exercise, please name one successul black administrator. You may begin with Mayors Nagin and Harold Washington (not forgetting the head monster of Detroit, of course) then proceed to Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe.
    Try using argument as a debate tactic, not a scorched earth policy.

  77. JulettaofOhio September 19, 2011 at 3:43 pm #

    So true. Recall tumbrels, a la the French Revolution.

  78. madraven September 19, 2011 at 4:18 pm #

    Well, that was the cure for depression. Your doom and gloom made my life glib by contrast. I think I’ll get busy with creating something positive in my world. Cheers!

  79. cbwim September 19, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

    The folks over at the Oil Drum had a lot of fun with these predictions.
    Add to the Energy Industries’ predictions are such things as “Clean Coal” and “Too Cheap to Meter”. Its interesting that people who cannot accept the facts of global climate change and evolution, then go ahead and believe in predictions such as these unfounded ones. I suppose they’ll only believe in what they are told to believe in. Its a pathological way of thinking.
    Had a thought for a future Onion article and sent this suggestion to them though I doubt they will use it. “NRC Grants 20 Year License Extension for Nuclear Plants at Fukushima”.
    In the article they would describe how TEPCO fought in court and won, proving that local municipalities such as the County of San Luis Obispo, the State of Vermont, and indeed even the Country of Japan had absolutely no jurisdiction over the Nuclear Power Industry, and that only the NRC, with its record of giving the industry 100% of what it wants (and more), could decide.
    Another thing making the rounds this morning is a cute saying: “I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.”
    Casey Burns

  80. anti soak September 19, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    AlJezera..Home of Beheadings Televised………..
    And on an equally somber note:
    ‘recent reports from St Louis MO state radiation levels in rainfall have risen to 1.3 milibequerels per hour, a pretty high number..’

  81. anti soak September 19, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    The American dream is just a Dream, no longer a reality.
    Your son will be challenged by the Dream Act [a leftist nitemare] and if he reaches age 30, 350 to 400 million here, many of them determined to destroy whats left of America, as they have destoryed the possibility of the American Dream.

  82. anti soak September 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm #

    ‘Sorry to say, peak oil was never successfully sold to the American public’
    Who would sell it? JHK? Solendra? Al Gore?

  83. budizwiser September 19, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

    Has everyone read this? This is the “informed view.”
    Please discuss, oh wait -too off-topic….

  84. budizwiser September 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm #

    I messed up the first link

  85. San Jose Mom 51 September 19, 2011 at 5:48 pm #

    Interesting article Bud. Now I don’t know what to think!

  86. Majella September 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm #

    Asoka said: “The oil companies responsible for global warming, which is causing havoc due to extreme climate change in so many places, are going to benefit from global warming.”
    That statement is just SO wrong on so many levels.
    a) Misplaced responsibility and personal denial-“the oil companies responsible for global warming”…aside form the potential agrument about whether atmospheric CO2 levels are responsible for any measurable effect on global temperatures, this statement ignores the fact that it was people – citizens and foreigners alike – who purchased the products of oil companies and derived huge personal benefit in so many forms. Those citizens no doubt did (and probably still do) include Asoka.
    b) Unfounded assertions ‘causing havoc due to extreme climate change in so many places’. The current religion is invoked. Add “climate change” to any statement and you may comfortably expect the nodding of many heads in wise agreement. Which particular events of ‘havoc’ have been irrefutably proven to have been the result of “global warming” and/or ‘climate change’ (the two being apparently interchangeable depending on the event”?
    c) simple bullshit ‘(oil companies) are going to benefit from global warming’ again with the big old eveil nasty oil companies. The beneficaries of Asoka fevered imaginings would, in the final analysis, be the CONSUMERS of this oil bonanza…people like me, and people like (gasp) Asoka.
    Asoka,you are so predictable, it’s just getting bloody TIRESOME. please THINK before you POST?

  87. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm #

    your head stuck firmly in the sand so best you just keep it there to avoid hearing anything that might make you see the truth.
    Speaking of pickiness, I could be wrong but I always thought the old metaphor of having one’s head stuck in the sand ostrich-like caused one not to see. I never thought of it as causing one not to hear though granted that’s a possibility.
    But you have both ends covered with your mixed metaphor of the senses: “avoid hearing anything that might make you see the truth.”
    I guess you are like Stevie Wonder who can see with his ears: “NY, just like I pictured it.”
    To get around the hear vs see problem I might have written your sentence as “your head stuck firmly in the sand so best you just keep it there to avoid noticing anything that might make you aware of the truth.”

  88. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 6:24 pm #

    name one success[f]ul black administrator
    The Parks sausage dude.

  89. Hugh Culliton September 19, 2011 at 6:30 pm #

    It’s hard to tell if you’re being sarcastic – a problem with forums like this. If you are being sarcastic, I chuckle with you. If you’re earnest than believe what you will, I’ll believe what I want, and reality, which doesn’t give a turd about either of us, will continue doing whatever it was going to do anyways. Good luck & I hope we both make it to the other side of peak everything!;-)

  90. fairguy September 19, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    Thanks JHK for a very enjoyable and educational posting.
    On the topic of oil media whores: how about the BP TV ads with this head honcho fucker saying that we have all of energy needs for the next 100 years here in the USA, all you need is to imagine it.
    These are the same guys that brought us Deepwater and got away with it. Many more of those to come if we let them have their way.

  91. progress2conserve September 19, 2011 at 6:50 pm #

    “Currently, it is thought that there are at least five trillion barrels of petroleum resources in the ground, of which 1.4 trillion are deemed technically and economically accessible enough to count as reserves (proved and probable)
    -yergin in nytimes-
    So, OK – a known oil industry shill obfuscates his way to “probable” reserves of 1.4 trillion barrels.
    Consumption is 90 million barrels per year.
    1.4 trillion divided by 90 million equals
    42 years of oil.
    Did I slip a decimal somewhere?

  92. progress2conserve September 19, 2011 at 6:53 pm #

    Dang it – let me redo the post:
    “Currently, it is thought that there are at least five trillion barrels of petroleum resources in the ground, of which 1.4 trillion are deemed technically and economically accessible enough to count as reserves (proved and probable)
    -yergin in nytimes-
    So, OK – a known oil industry shill obfuscates his way to “probable” reserves of 1.4 trillion barrels.
    Consumption is 90 million barrels per “”year.””
    That’s wrong – it’s 90 million per DAY!
    1.4 trillion divided by 90 million equals
    42 years of oil.
    Did I slip a decimal somewhere?

  93. Norman Conquest September 19, 2011 at 7:06 pm #

    I see this stupid commercial every day. Have you noticed that he can’t keep from smiling as he reads off the string of lies? They probably should have hired a professional actor but on CNBC I guess this works just as well since they’re all dying to hear ANY good news, even if it is a blatant lie.

  94. San Jose Mom 51 September 19, 2011 at 7:07 pm #

    You’re awesome Qshtik! Here’s a good mixed metaphor:
    People who live in glass houses can kill two birds with no stones.

  95. progress2conserve September 19, 2011 at 7:22 pm #

    “Oh, wow! Rebuttal by atom bomb! Surely you’re aware there is no more vile epitaph that calling someone a “racist”, except,….”
    Thank you, Julietta – this is a topic we’ve been exploring for several weeks on CFN. “Racist” is indeed the ultimate charge to be brought against a white person in the US today.
    It stops honest debate.
    It inflames emotions.
    And let’s go back to “peak oil.” Yergin’s figures show we have 42 years worth of oil left.
    And that’s not for peak, though.
    That’s for GONE. No oil – nada – nothing!
    The US is growing it’s population at 1 percent.
    That’s 3 million souls/year.
    Mostly due to LEGAL immigrants – and their kids.
    So in 42 years – we’ll add 126 MILLION people.
    MINIMUM – at present rates – LEGALLY!!!
    And in 42 years we are OUT – OUT of oil – worldwide.
    So no fossil oil for raising food – or for moving it into our fiercely overcrowded cities.
    At what point does the United States of America examine our GROWTH is always GOOD paradigm? – ?
    And reduce LEGAL immigration.
    FAIR and NumbersUSA are good organizations to join – if you plan to live more than about one more decade in the United States.
    Or maybe, even, on Planet Earth.

  96. bubbleheadMarc September 19, 2011 at 7:42 pm #

    Just got around to reading the essay this evening. People are easy to fool because first, very few have ever actually lived outside of the built environment, and hence, cannot imagine the man-made structures they rely upon coming to a screeching halt some day. The second problem of course is that people tend overwhelmingly to be fucking stupid, so don’t hold your breath waiting for them to take time off from being petty functionaries in business or the civil service to read books like “The Long Emergency”. Ain’t gonna happen. Not now, not never. Nuff said.

  97. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 7:51 pm #

    No, Nay, Never. No Nay Never No More.
    You have spoken the Great Truth: the Inequality of Man. The Next Civilization must be based on this and not the nonsensical Communist Egalitarian Liberal dogma of Equality. Dummies should not vote, nor should they be allowed to breed too much.

  98. jerry September 19, 2011 at 7:57 pm #

    Here in Western PA we have Fracking Whores, such as Former Fuck Tom Ridge (Mr. HLS head who told Americans to get duct tape and plastic to protect themselves from chemical poisoning), and now Governor Tom Corrupt-bett allowing the gas drillers to own the state and all its land, along with the revenues. This gas has been getting sucked out of the ground for over a decade without any taxes placed upon them except for income tax.
    Tom Corrupt-bett (Corbett), when State Attry. General failed to prosecute a major toxic Fracking polluting waste water hauler even though he had all the evidence to go forward. He did not because he knew he was going to run for governor and needed driller cash for campaigning. No news is good news!! Keep all the toxic crap out of the news. He got it and now they own the state. The polluter got dumped onto the current State Atty. General.
    What will happen over the next few years will be 15,000 wells in this part of the state killing tourism, and property values once drinking water gets negatively affected. An accident is inevitable.
    As goes BP in the Gulf, so goes Western PA.

  99. ctemple September 19, 2011 at 8:02 pm #

    And just how are we going to decide who’s intelligent exactly? Education? I’ve seen quite a few people that were pretty well educated that I thought were dim bulbs. An appearence of sophistication? That’s how we got stuck with Obama. Well dressed Alpha type personalities? Just because somebody has a big mouth and a gift to gab doesn’t make them smart. Look at Rick Perry, or Bill Clinton, or that stupid Bachmann woman.
    I suppose we could do what Hollywood does, which is who’s the weirdest, or who has the biggest tits.

  100. Coach Austin September 19, 2011 at 8:05 pm #

    James, it’s looking like the best investment is into gardening tools and an education in farming with horses. Not so different than how our ancestors lived circa 1900. On the plus side, obesity will no longer be a problem, no pun intended. We’ll probably be happier for it though.

  101. anti soak September 19, 2011 at 8:37 pm #

    Maxine Waters and her Husband
    Joanne Chesmire
    Pr Angela Davis
    Al Sharpton
    Rev Wright
    Tookie Williams

  102. Stephen September 19, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    I’d love to see a hour long legitimate formal debate of Daniel Yergin v either Colin Campbell or Richard Heinberg (too bad Matthew Simmons passed away, or I would have suggested him for this) on issues such as available oil production data, EROEI, and others as well as the timeline for new production. I think Yergin would lose big time! Either Yergin’s company CERA has information on the oilfields and the production of alternative fuels (e.g. Oil Shale, Shale Gas via Fracking, The Canadian Oil Sands, Biofuels, and others) that the peak oil community doesn’t know (which is unlikely), it is likely we already peaked. Such a debate would probably reveal some on where he gets his data.

  103. loveday September 19, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    What’s the matter don’t you think old AJ is just as creditable as Fox?
    Sorry, this stuff really is happening, so believe or don’t, I don’t care. But it might be a good idea to stay out of the rain for the next 200 years or so. By the way, as I posted earlier if you want a quick laugh, check out Nigel Farage, the guy is really worth watching.

  104. empirestatebuilding September 19, 2011 at 9:08 pm #

    Has anyone else noticed how “flip this house” TV shows have been replaced with “flip this shit you found in an old barn” TV shows?
    Just a sign of the times. Anyone want to buy my shit?
    Aimlow Joe was here.

  105. Elrond Hubbard September 19, 2011 at 9:43 pm #

    Vlad: “America will split into violently hostile racial enclaves when the SHTF just as Middle Earth did.”
    Let me quote one of my favourite movies: “Bad enough it might be so, without you wishing it.”
    Vlad: “All enlightened Men, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, and Ents know this. Elrond certainly did. Only fools and women of both genders don’t.”
    Alas, it does seem some of Tolkien’s childhood in South Africa must have rubbed off on him.
    He was above crude misogyny, though.

  106. jammer September 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm #

    One glaring omission in Yurgin’s blather is the impacts of global population increase expected in the next 50 years.

  107. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 10:22 pm #

    Joanne Chesmire
    It’s Chesimard, her married name.
    I would hardly call her “a successful black administrator.” She ran a school lunch program for a year but later was mainly a violence prone black activist infamous for killing a cop in a shootout on the NJ Tpke (3 miles from my house, BTW).
    She was captured, convicted and served about 4 years in prison, then escaped and is living in Cuba to this day. Read the Wiki account of her life. It’s “interesting.”

  108. budizwiser September 19, 2011 at 10:30 pm #

    Regarding Yurgin’s perspective:
    All is OK – petroleum price increases will dictate appropriate consumption and distribution of petroleum in the future.
    Of course – this position presumes that demand destruction will reserve effective quantities of petroleum for successful innovation to other cultural/social consumption patterns.
    How do you view the current “free market” system? If you think it “works” then all is well.
    My own perspective suggests current consumption patterns resemble something more along the lines of buffalo hunting……

  109. Elrond Hubbard September 19, 2011 at 10:31 pm #

    JulettaOfOhio: “Oh, wow! Rebuttal by atom bomb! Surely you’re aware there is no more vile epitaph that calling someone a “racist”, except, perhaps, to label them a Tea Partier. Is Vlad supposed to now retire in shame and confusion, uttering a plethora of Mea Magna Culpas?
    “Try using argument as a debate tactic, not a scorched earth policy.”
    Words have meaning, and I use them to express their meaning, in order to level charges that have merit, not as clubs to bash people with. dictionary.reference.com defines racism as: “1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement”. The most cursory reading of Vlad’s posts serves to establish that he sees everything through the lens of race: no one is just a person doing something, they’re a white person, or a black person, or whatever person. If Vlad doesn’t believe in “inherent differences” that “determine cultural or individual achievement”, let’s hear him deny it.
    JulettaOfOhio: “As an exercise, please name one successul black administrator. You may begin with Mayors Nagin and Harold Washington (not forgetting the head monster of Detroit, of course) then proceed to Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe.”
    This isn’t second grade and you’re not handing out homework assignments. Still, one name that comes to mind is General Colin Powell. A second is Chairman and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, and current presidential candidate, Herman Cain. Obama only became president because he’s a “mulatto”, as you put it? Forget Obama, let’s talk about Cain. I judge it to be a foregone conclusion that either you and/or Vlad would claim that no person with the same skin colour as Kwame Kilpatrick can achieve legitimate success. I now challenge *you* to document what role either corruption or affirmative action played in Herman Cain’s career. Give me a name. Give me a date. Give me a dollar figure. Something, anything. Let’s hear it.

  110. Qshtik September 19, 2011 at 10:38 pm #

    What’s the matter don’t you think old AJ is just as creditable as Fox?
    I believe you meant credible as in believable. Creditable means praiseworthy; deserving of credit.

  111. Elrond Hubbard September 19, 2011 at 10:46 pm #

    ctemple: “And just how are we going to decide who’s intelligent exactly?”
    Dude, it sounds like you might not have sufficient experience to recognize Vlad’s ravings for what they are: simon-pure, utterly sincere, 100% unrepentant authoritarianism. C’mon, now, when he talks about things like: “the Great Truth: the Inequality of Man… not the nonsensical Communist Egalitarian Liberal dogma of Equality”, do you think he’s in any sense kidding? No, he means EXACTLY what he says in so many words, and is on the lookout for sympathizers to MAKE IT HAPPEN. And with the Long Emergency upon us, his type are set to prosper more and more. Beware.

  112. Ixnei September 19, 2011 at 10:48 pm #

    “A successful appraisal well in a previously untested northern segment of Mad Dog field in the US Gulf of Mexico has hiked the complex’s resource to as much as 4 billion bbl of oil equivalent in place, rivaling that of Thunder Horse.”
    WoW!!! 6 more months worth of US consumption (1 months worth for the entire planet)!!! Spin it, and multi-spam-poast as soon as JHK publishes, you imbecile.
    As to the snake-oil spinsters, this is the same thing that happened at Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc. The insiders lead everyone else to believe they were great investments, as those insiders dumped and bet against them. And then, as now, anyone with a basic knowledge in financial accounting could have looked at their financial statements, and seen things were abysmal (not possible today, GAAP no longer used [toxic assets floated off-sheet for years?]).
    Same old, worn out bubble story, exploited every few years. Same story with the internet bubble. Same story with the housing bubble, but now with multi layers upon layers of blatant fraud rolled in. I often wonder which will pop next – the student loan bubble (try claiming bankruptcy to get outta DAT), or the oil bubble…

  113. Ixnei September 19, 2011 at 10:54 pm #

    Yeah, right – as long as you’re a white male. And even then, I’d argue against your third “cheerleader buzzword.”
    The apple don’t fall too far from the tree, indeed.

  114. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm #

    Reduce Legal Immigration and Eliminate Illegal. Make the illegals build the Wall that will keep them out. Chain gangs, Movie Stars.

  115. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 11:14 pm #

    IQ tests are real. Sorry. I’m not for cutting people off completely – just persuading them not to breed, or not too much. No help certainly. Look what giving money to unwed mothers has bred in America. Giving money is a form of sanction. And then we have the hubris to prosecute the Warren Jep Cult for marrying young girls. At least they support their own.
    And on the other end – voluntary Eugenics should be massively encouraged. I think this approach balances what we know about genetics (smart comes from smart, strong from strong, etc) with morality (we are not God, not all knowing, we could and would make mistakes, and even if people are dumb, they still should have some basic rights – but not the right to swamp us as you and your’s gleefully grant them).

  116. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 11:20 pm #

    No, not necessarily. I’ve met intelligent Blacks as smart or smarter than me. But not many. And I’ve met a much greater number of dynamic hard working ones. And a fair number of decent ones too. But you see, they all or almost all have an extraordinary tolerance for the bad ones – and the Black Race produces an abundance of bad apples. The good ones cannot contain them, control them, but will defend them in front of Whites. A bad, bad, situation which will end in tragedy.
    Lincoln wanted them sent back. So your fucking moral superiority is just the ignorant crap of conditioning – given to you by people who are much smarter than you and have every intention of bringing America down.

  117. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 11:28 pm #

    You think people are equal? Why? Can you prove that? Isn’t that ridiculous – I mean what is equal or what does equal mean? It’s a useful abstraction in Law and Mathematics. And yes, all people should have some basic equal rights – but you take it far beyond that. Letting everyone vote is like deciding the laws of physics by voting.
    Democracy – a Sacred Cow! Show me where its mentioned in the Constitution, smart ass. The Founders hated it – and their viewpoint was vindicated by the French Terror. Franklin and Jefferson were cured of their lingering romanticism. We’re supposed to be a Republic. Democracy is just a part of That.
    Or do you think we should vote in and out the Laws of Physics? Having a welfare state with open borders is like ordering water to run uphill.

  118. Vlad Krandz September 19, 2011 at 11:35 pm #

    Feminists loathe Lewis and Tolkien – as do all Communists. Not all good people love these two, but all evil people hate them.
    Lewis talked about the growing danger of Feminism. If they were alive today, both would be Men Rights Acitivsts or MRA’s as we’re known. Or do you believe that Women have the right to throw men out of their homes, take their children, falsely accuse them of pedophilia and then be supported by their vicim for the rest of their lives? I know you do.

  119. anti soak September 20, 2011 at 12:23 am #

    Meaning his Resume was a little thin but due to his dads skin color and going to Rev Wrights church he got to the White house [pun on white in white house unintended].

  120. fairguy September 20, 2011 at 12:24 am #

    I guess this is part of the PR BS they’ve put in place in the aftermath of Deepwater Horizon. The innocent viewer (e.g. my wife) doesn’t really understand what they’re trying to sell but that’s beside the point – they want to come off as your friendly green-energy business that will help you through the challenges of the future.
    I wonder if the lights will still be on whereever this a**hole spends his retirement.

  121. Hamrage September 20, 2011 at 12:38 am #

    Obama now making himself unelectable by saying the rich should be taxed more. The man elected by Wall St has realised too late the truth of the matter. The system is bankrupting itself. Perry, the next oilman will carry on as normal by continuing to turn the west of Canada into a toxic waste dump that can be seen from outer space. Meanwhile the great unravelling approaches….

  122. thomas99 September 20, 2011 at 12:43 am #

    Jimbo…Stop holding yourself out to be a geologist when you’re not. You’re going to get yourself in big trouble with the true professionals one of these days. You’re going to get your ass kicked!

  123. ak September 20, 2011 at 1:31 am #

    Thank you for commenting.
    Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner.
    Return to the original entry.
    (copy&p to notepad prior to Submit, I wish)

  124. Ixnei September 20, 2011 at 1:37 am #

    “Now the process has stopped.”
    LOL, *someone’s* a total dumb@$$, that can’t find data. Let me help you, douch-ee! We are about 1.5 years into the 4 year ramp to solar irradiance/sunspot max:
    Now, imbecile, take a look at the “next” graph, and *see* where the “process has stopped,” as of year-end 2010:
    I guarantee you this year’s end will break that standing temperature record from 2010, and that next year’s end will break that, and that the next 5-7 years will be *EVEN HOTTER*.
    Next time you open your mouth, maybe you should open it a bit *WIDER*, so you can fit your @$$ in it – moron.

  125. AMR September 20, 2011 at 1:38 am #

    That is some exquisite bullshit. Americans are a straight-up delusional people for putting stock in such garbage. Thanks for sharing.

  126. ak September 20, 2011 at 1:41 am #

    Anyway, I tried to copy & format a couple of paragraphs from MW. But see for yourselves:
    The book references GAUDY for synonyms (scroll to “Synonym Discussion of GAUDY”):
    The word origin is under GAUDY(noun)
    ^C 🙂

  127. ak September 20, 2011 at 1:51 am #

    Not to loose your comments in the memory hole: before Submit, hit ctrl-a (^A, select all) and then ctrl-c (copy).
    If you comm. gets held up, either repoast or open Notepad and ctrl-v (^V), and save as whatever.

  128. Ixnei September 20, 2011 at 1:55 am #

    “Come on global warming, melt that Arctic ice; easy streets just around the corner”
    I also shot that ‘tard Soker down, for his 4 billion bbl in the Gulf puke, with similar negligible outcomes (~1 months worth of world oil consumption).
    These maroons running the show have mega-blinders on. They don’t think *proactively*, looking conservatively into the future. They think *reactively*, looking at immediate, short term profit results.
    And in no way, shape, or form – whatsoever – will they ever take into account external costs (depletion of resources, destruction/pollution of land/sea/air/water) in their *financial statements*. That’s someone else’s *long term* problem. These are the same sh!theads that are now vested over a 1.5 year period, *MAX* (way back in my day, circa 1990, it took 7-10 years to become 100% fully vested)…

  129. ak September 20, 2011 at 2:05 am #


  130. ak September 20, 2011 at 2:08 am #

    and: you=your

  131. AMR September 20, 2011 at 2:44 am #

    As a stockholder invested in the oil and airline industries, I disagree with your claim that oil companies are advertising in order to dupe investors into providing capital that they’ll never see again.
    To date, the oil stocks that I hold have been extremely amenable to my buy-and-hold strategy because they have paid generous, usually consistent dividends and held their value reasonably well. These stocks include BP, a company that treats its employees terribly but did not burn its investors badly at all after the Deepwater Horizon disaster; if memory serves, BP’s share price fell by about two thirds from peak to trough before stabilizing where it had been two or three years previously, and dividends were suspended for only two or three quarters.
    In terms of dumping capital into a sinkhole, even BP, one of the worst-managed major oil companies, can’t hold a candle to United Airlines. I was on the receiving end of a neat little trick when United burned through over a billion dollars of stock issued under its UAL ticker symbol, turning a $33 stock into a penny stock in a few years, before floating a new boatload of stock under the UAUA symbol, which held shit for value and didn’t pay a dividend. For me, the most telling moment came a few months after 9/11, when I discovered that UAL, then the world’s largest airline, had a market capitalization of $192m, below the list price of a new 747 and about a tenth that of jetBlue.
    I am not aware of anything of the sort happening with major oil company stocks. It is conceivable that major oil companies could go through a pump-and-dump fugue, but based on past and current performance and industry cash flow, I consider it highly unlikely.

  132. Eleuthero September 20, 2011 at 4:31 am #

    What is this bullshit where I made a post and
    it is being “held for moderation”?? Never
    happened to me before.

  133. Happy Eyeball September 20, 2011 at 7:09 am #

    As always great post, eagle-eye observation.
    One small request. Would you mind dropping an extra line in between paragraphs? The space would make it much more comfortable to read. Cheers.

  134. Rockets Redglare September 20, 2011 at 7:25 am #

    We are doomed, Jim, no two ways about it. I’m 68 so I’ve had my run. But my kids… it doesn’t bear thinking about. If there is such a thing as Karma, our generation will be reborn in Somalia.
    Carry on, dude.

  135. Ajax September 20, 2011 at 7:54 am #

    Vlad , It is truly wonderful to read your comments.It is good to see that there are some that understand what is going on , and are able to communicate the issues clearly to the rest of us. My big fear is that we will wake up to late to avoid the catastrophe
    Thanks also to Jame Kunstler for this well written & entertaining column. I enjoyed the ” Long Emergency” & am currently reading “World Made by Hand” . I hope you will be able to continue your good work for many years .

  136. lbendet September 20, 2011 at 7:56 am #

    Ha! Welcome to my world, E.
    It happens to the best of us posters. I know you don’t usually put in links to URLs or copy text that has live links. And you don’t put in especially long posts so I don’t know why the software is throwing you into purgatory.
    I would try again later.
    I can’t believe how I’m agreeing with your posts, today.

  137. lbendet September 20, 2011 at 8:02 am #

    Last year I called people’s attention to a interview I listened to and copied between Bill Moyers and Sam Tannenhaus on is book “The Death of Conservatism”.
    I thought this excerpt might be of interest as you all discuss a number of cultural topics and the nature of politics today:
    BILL MOYERS: So, if you’re right about the decline and death of conservatism, who are all those people we see on television?
    SAM TANENHAUS: I’m afraid they’re radicals. Conservatism has been divided for a long time — this is what my book describes narratively — between two strains. What I call realism and revanchism. We’re seeing the revanchist side.
    BILL MOYERS: What do you mean revanchism?
    SAM TANENHAUS: I mean a politics that’s based on the idea that America has been taken away from its true owners, and they have to restore and reclaim it. They have to conquer the territory that’s been taken from them. Revanchism really comes from the French word for ‘revenge.’ It’s a politics of vengeance.
    And this is a strong strain in modern conservatism. Like the 19th Century nationalists who wanted to recover parts of their country that foreign nations had invaded and occupied, these radical people on the right, and they include intellectuals and the kinds of personalities we’re seeing on television and radio, and also to some extent people marching in the streets, think America has gotten away from them.
    Theirs is a politics of reclamation and restoration. Give it back to us. What we sometimes forget is that the last five presidential elections Democrats won pluralities in four of them.
    The only time the Republicans have won, in recent memory, was when George Bush was re-elected by the narrowest margin in modern history, for a sitting president. So, what this means is that, yes, conservatism, what I think of, as a radical form of conservatism, is highly organized. We’re seeing it now– they are ideologically in lockstep. They agree about almost everything, and they have an orthodoxy that governs their worldview and their view of politics.
    So, they are able to make incursions. And at times when liberals, Democrats, and moderate Republicans are uncertain where to go, yes, this group will be out in front, very organized, and dominate our conversation.

  138. hmuller September 20, 2011 at 8:06 am #

    Ixnei,if you’re as pleasant in person as you are on the internet, I’ll bet you have lots of friends. But thank you for substantiating my main point: that solar cycles not CO2 determine earth temperatures.

  139. Martin September 20, 2011 at 10:04 am #

    Yergin in 1979 here

  140. progress2conserve September 20, 2011 at 10:43 am #

    Mr/Ms Muller-
    Just a guess, but do you believe in the 6000 year old Earth and deny that evolution occurs?
    This book looks like it might be of benefit.
    I have been noticing for years that Denial of AGW, Denial of Evolution, and Denial of Earth’s Finite Resources – seems to form a core of beliefs for some American “conservatives,” that approaches RELIGION for them.
    In other words, all you get is ANGER, if you try to present a contrary viewpoint.
    “Hamilton (author of Requiem) suggests that the roots of climate change denial lie in the reaction of American conservatism to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. He argues that as the “red menace” receded, conservatives who had put energy into opposing communism sought other outlets.”
    -wiki review of Requiem for a Species-
    Ozone – to some extent, this goes to my theory that some of us have such a strong need for “religion,” that something OR another will fill our heads – whether it makes sense or not.

  141. ozone September 20, 2011 at 11:06 am #

    JHK sez,
    “No doubt, though, that these two PR offensives will accomplish their secondary mission: to gird the hopes and wishes of the political right-wing, who are hell-bent on keeping this country from entering a plausible future. Watch these idea take flight and wonder that you live in such credulous nation.”
    To take that a bit further, I believe all this noise and confusion is entirely purposeful. Just look at the postings that desperately try to drag the focus OFF these issues, or attempt to absolutely refute them.
    ALL politicos and their masters had better be very careful what they wish for. Witness Obama, running hither and yon, trying to hold this leaking tub together (by bullshit alone!) until the next election [and its’ pre-determined outcome] is done with. Why would he want to ride this sled-to-hell down the mountainside? What info is he privy to that we are not? Is Poppy Bush ready to reveal his NWO cards? (This is where Bush the Lesser made a huge faux pas with his, “I got a mandate from the ‘murkin people and political capital, and I intend to spend it.” I thought that was pretty shocking, and something that Rove probably put into his empty little head in private conversation, that wasn’t intended for repetition! Translation: “We’ve taken the power and we intend to do as we please; now kindly fuck off.” Those who think these fuckers were “voted in” should look to the political weather.)
    Then there’s McCornball and Bonehead, trying their damnedest to convince us that the rich need more money in order to employ us and “return to growth”. WTF? Perfect social upheaval conditions (after all that can be stolen IS stolen) for RW authoritarians to take the stage. THAT will turn out just as well as it did the last time, although internal resistance might be more widespread than now supposed. The underground economy is just ramping up. It will be protected, tooth and nail.
    Let’s just face the fact that most “folks” don’t want what’s coming to come marching ’round the corner. But come it will, and delusion and sweet crude dreams will be swept away. (No doubt to be replaced by other comforting lies and spiffy uniforms… for a while.)

  142. ozone September 20, 2011 at 11:20 am #

    “Ozone – to some extent, this goes to my theory that some of us have such a strong need for “religion,” that something OR another will fill our heads – whether it makes sense or not.” -P2C
    I do take your point, but I think it’s much more about where people’s physical and mental comforts lie, and that, above all, they wish nothing to CHANGE (despite the fact it always does).
    That’s what convinces me that those of a theocratic/authoritarian stripe are severely lacking in imagination, and may actually be MISSING something in the make-up of the brain, rather than being “further evolved” as to have something EXTRA.
    (Perhaps even INCAPABLE of critical thought.)
    Interesting things to ponder, even though I know absolutely NOTHING about it! ;o)

  143. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 11:26 am #

    The book references GAUDY for synonyms (scroll to “Synonym Discussion of GAUDY”):
    Great dictionary link AK. Unusually thorough and useful. I’ve saved it as a favorite. Also loved all those nuances and synonyms for the word gaudy which I will draw upon the next time I have occasion to express my disgust for overly tatted athletes and overweight women.

  144. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 11:28 am #

    Just to clarify: I mean tatted overweight women.

  145. ozone September 20, 2011 at 11:38 am #

    “The health of a nation is measured by how it treats its prophets. When these prophets are ignored and reviled, when they become figures of ridicule, when they are labeled by the chattering classes and power elite as fools, then there is no check left on moral decay and the degeneration of the state.” -Chris Hedges
    Yep, I think that would apply to Mr. K, as well.
    You are now witness to a Clusterfuck of gigantic proportions, judging by the sheer volume of noise and confusion shoveled at us daily.

  146. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 11:39 am #

    easy streets just around the corner
    Here are a few choices for fixing the above:
    . easy street’s just around the corner
    . easy street is just around the corner
    . easy streets are just around the corner
    Take your pick.
    I favor the second bullet.

  147. Cabra1080 September 20, 2011 at 11:41 am #

    Shale Oil, Snake Oil, Dilithium Crystals and plenty of lies is what keeps the show going – until it’s not going!!!!

  148. Cabra1080 September 20, 2011 at 11:42 am #

    Greetings from India!!!

  149. ozone September 20, 2011 at 11:44 am #

    Religion, eh?
    Well, name yer poison, pardner! ;o)
    By Gar; there are different forms of magic to be had by ardent adherents…

  150. ozone September 20, 2011 at 11:47 am #

    Halloooooooooooooooooooooo Ind’jaaaaaaaa! :o)

  151. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 11:58 am #

    What is this bullshit where I made a post and
    it is being “held for moderation”??
    HaHaHaHoHo, only your first time? Consider yourself lucky.
    As someone else posted already, if you’d hate to see all the hard work of a long and well thought out comment go down the drain, by all means highlight and copy the whole comment before you click on submit.
    Once you hit submit and it posts OK you don’t have to do anything with that copy that is sitting out there on a cyber clip board. But if you get the dreaded “held for moderation” message then go directly to a blank notepad sheet, a new email or Word doc blank page and copy it there … because one thing I, and many others, have learned from grim experience … you will never EVER in this lifetime or the next see that “held” post again.

  152. Buck Stud September 20, 2011 at 1:15 pm #

    One man’s prophet is another man’s zealot, or so it might be predictably said. Besides, Chris Hedges is hardly ignored; his profound writings are posted all across the internet. And some do not relegate the profundity of “The Prophet” to that of a court stenographer commenting on every daily ill. That’s best left to the journalists and doomer mongers, who fashion themselves victims of a media onslaught or some other hyperbolic manifestation.
    In fact, a real Prophet probably has the good sense to turn off the TV and bypass the send button. Out of sight and out of mind into the tranquil reality of the temporal.

  153. trippticket September 20, 2011 at 1:20 pm #

    My latest post at Small Batch is simply a repost of an old internet-circling favorite story of mine, about a conversation between God and St. Francis concerning the suburban infatuation with lawns. Thanks to Nathan for popping that one back in my inbox in such a timely fashion; I’d just recently been thinking about this dialogue:
    Brings to mind a favorite quote of St. Francis’ as well:
    “Preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words.”
    Peace, Clusterfuckers.

  154. Buck Stud September 20, 2011 at 1:21 pm #

    I once asked a very wise sage acquaintance – the first westerner granted long-term visa status in Mainland China to study meditation and martial arts – how long he intended to stay in China.
    “I can’t predict the future” was his reply.

  155. trippticket September 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    Just a quick comment about posts being held by the system administrator. I have made some headway in understanding the problem in some cases. When I post the link to my blog it sometimes holds it if the URL has a very specific address. By going back and removing everything behind the .com, I can usually just resubmit and it goes through. Just adding to the pool of convergent knowledge;)

  156. hmuller September 20, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    Thank you P2C, a civil e-mail for a change. No, I don’t believe in a 6.000 year old earth, neither am I married to my cousin with a lawn of beer cans and cars on blocks. I’m a law school grad, actually. In my humble opinion in science there are no sacred, final, and irrefutable dogmas. Everything can and should be questioned, including man-made global warming. Let the facts determine the truth, not emotion or faith. In Europe they are seriously proposing jailing global warming deniers. When did you ever meet a righteous people with all the truth and evidence on their side who needed to resort to such bullying tactics. It should give you pause. I urge everyone to read Lord Monckton for the rebuttal arguments to man-made global warming, which are too numerous to recount here. And as far as psycho-analyzing those with differing opinions as someehow defective, maldeveloped human beings; tell Mr Hamilton that cuts both ways. Most academicians I know are quite damaged and psychologically frail people.

  157. malthus September 20, 2011 at 2:51 pm #

    This is one of the best articles you have written. It is laid out and easy to understand and easy to defend. Keep up the good work. We are out here knowing the way things are set up we are screwed. At least we are aware of it. So many are not and will probably never know what is about to hit them until it is way to late to do anything. Very likely to late now anyway. Thanks for your insights.

  158. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:03 pm #

    hmuller said: “All the fraudulent data from the Univ. of East Anglia”
    There was no “fraudulent data” from Univ. of East Anglia. All the relevant data has been made public and it supports global warming being caused by human activity.

  159. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:08 pm #

    SNAFU said: “at the current worldwide consumption”
    Your assumption of “current” levels ignores demand destruction, ignores the development of alternative energy to replace oil consumption, and ignores widespread movements (as reflected on CFN) to embrace energy contraction, simplify life, and consciously choose to use less energy.
    Our destiny is in our own hands. It is not written in the stars … or in the global reserves statistics.

  160. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

    ProCon said: “42 years of oil.
    42 years (which is darn close to 47 years, now 46) is the blink of an eye in geologic time. We are toast, dude.
    BTW, I have publicly apologized for calling you a racist. Do you accept my apology? Can we be friends again, like we were before I made the mistake of offering Muslim prayers (in private) for your wife’s recuperation from surgery?

  161. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

    Maxine Waters and her Husband
    Joanne Chesmire
    Pr Angela Davis
    Al Sharpton
    Rev Wright
    Tookie Williams
    Thanks, anti soak.
    I admire all these fine folks. Especially Rev. Wright, the United States marine who was criticized by so many chicken-hawks who never served in the military.

  162. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:32 pm #

    [pun on white in white house unintended].
    But who else occupied it, before Obama, except white men?

  163. asoka. September 20, 2011 at 3:35 pm #

    Ixnei said: “with similar negligible outcomes (~1 months worth ”
    Apparently months are like billions.
    A month here, a month there, and pretty soon you are talking decades of time. And discoveries all over the globe continue.

  164. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 3:49 pm #

    No, I don’t believe in a 6.000 year old earth, neither am I married to my cousin with a lawn of beer cans and cars on blocks.
    This^ gave me a good laugh. It’s the kind of writing that makes me think you must be an American … plus you don’t write with an accent. However I see the name Muller so I’m thinking German and then I see six thousand written with a period (6.000) rather than a comma (6,000) so I’m thinking (wondering) was that a typo or not?
    OK, I’ll take a stab. You’re an American either studying in Europe (Germany?) or on a long term employment assignment there for some company?????

  165. Buck Stud September 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm #

    Speaking of mass media, I miss the good old days of AOL chat – some real crazies used to frequent the political rooms. And I once sat thru a two hour insult contest between a Mexican and a Puerto Rican.
    In fact, just the other day “Ask A Mexican” explained the animosity between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans ( as well as telling his favorite PR joke).

  166. cougar_w September 20, 2011 at 4:33 pm #

    Civilization as we know it will be much better off once it’s been properly blown to rat shit.

  167. BeantownBill September 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    You are being too conservative, Procon. The present daily oil consumption of 90 million gallons is based on current population figures. But the population is continuing to increase so the average daily consumption actually should be compounding at some rate. Therefore it’s not totally accurate to divide the 1.4 trillion gallons by 90 million per day, but rather by a higher figure.
    I’d guess, if the world doesn’t suffer a large population loss in the near future, our time frame for oil availability is somewhere around 35 years. That’s using an assumptive supply of 1.4 trillion gallons. Who knows what the real figure is. Could be more or could be less.

  168. BeantownBill September 20, 2011 at 6:17 pm #

    Very simply, no one has ever demonstrated that they really can read the future, although many have claimed so. That being the case, no one knows what will actually happen in the future, other than making claims based on current trends. Too many unknowns exist in the equation. It would be more accurate to hold discourse on peak anything based on reasonable probabilities.
    Accordingly, I believe the only sane course of action for an individual is to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
    I have to laugh when I read some posts that speak with such certitude that we are toast, or that we’re entering into a SHTF scenario or the world is coming to an end, or we will be extinct. These are not impossible, some maybe even probable, but definitely not 100% probable. Let’s talk about future events based on what they are – a possibility.

  169. ctemple September 20, 2011 at 6:17 pm #

    Do you even try to understand a posting before you tell someone off? When did I suggest every dildo should have unlimted kids? This is why I don’t respond to posts, most of the liberals on here are half nuts, and it looks you are too.
    This looks like the shit osaka pulls, deliberately misinterpret what somebody said then be a pain in the balls about it.

  170. ozone September 20, 2011 at 6:18 pm #

    ….or so it might be predictably said…
    In fact, a real Prophet probably has the good sense to turn off the TV and bypass the send button. Out of sight and out of mind into the tranquil reality of the temporal. -BS
    Well, better take a close look at “the modern world” then (in regard to communication outlets). As a musician, I’m more than well-aware of the temporal nature of EVERYTHING.
    In “the modern world”, a Cassandra’s best defense/protection is to yell their vision to the rooftops (and beyond). If you don’t get this little quirk, you’re not really very well prepared for the age of ultimate oppression and suppression.
    (Nicely put, but dangerously naive; there will be no “do-overs”. Speak while you may.)

  171. ozone September 20, 2011 at 6:23 pm #

    Awareness of the “temporal” does not necessarily bring “tranquility”.
    Change and the evanescent nature of reality is the farthest depth of horror to some.

  172. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

    The present daily oil consumption of 90 million gallons
    I thought it was barrels, not gallons.
    But anyway you are right … population is forecast to reach about 9-10 billion by 2050. Lets call it 9.5B which is 35.7% more than our current 7B.
    The other thing is that if the economies of India and China continue to advance and their populations consume at a per capita rate far greater than previously (emulating America) their oil consumption will grow accordingly.
    So, there are at least 2 factors that argue for far more oil consumption between now and 2050: greater population and greater per capita consumption. All this assumes no fantastic mitigating factors such as technological breakthroughs on the alternatives front or a general contraction in life style worldwide.
    Trying to predict these distant outcomes seems a waste of time if we can’t even guess whether the DOW will be up or down tomorrow.

  173. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    Oh, and I forgot to mention, we’re not really talking about when we use up the last drop but when we cross peak oil production.
    Even if it’s as far out as 20 years (i.e. 2050 – 2011 = 39/2 = 19.5) that’s a blink of the eye.

  174. ozone September 20, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    Okay, here’s a blatant example of prophets and magical pronouncements…
    (Geithner at the emergency meeting in Poland):
    “Geithner’s big plan is for Europe to take its European Financial Stability Fund, which is projected to be €440 billion by the end of this year, though that is by no means certain, and leverage it about ten-fold to some €4.4 trillion. This, as per Geithner, will calm the markets -and presumably restart economic growth, and job creation, and the housing markets-.”
    Now, I ask you, who has the more accurate finger on the pulse of probable future economic events? L’il Timmy or JHK?

  175. jammer September 20, 2011 at 6:45 pm #

    Qshtik, You must be slipping. Both budiswizer and myself misspelled Yergin in posts last evening. I guess it is true, ya get em all…

  176. anti soak September 20, 2011 at 7:11 pm #

    Its the Media and their spin!
    Years ago it was vampire Greenspan saying:
    Such folks get paid to lie.

  177. Eleuthero September 20, 2011 at 7:41 pm #

    I just cannot believe that Europe, which I
    had assumed to be the more sensible continent
    versus North America, is going to kick the
    Greek can down the road just like Bernanke
    did with QE2.
    Hussman had a wry comment or two on his website
    about this ridiculous “Operation Twist”. Good
    Lord, do they think that lowering 10-year rates
    from 1.95% to 1.5% is suddenly going to kickstart
    the moribund housing market?? It’s arithmetical
    Meanwhile, we’re in the FIFTH roundtrip from
    Dow 12,000+ to less than 11,000 is less than
    six months. When are people going to figure
    out that the only people making money are
    the BROKERS?? They bleed good capital out
    of the system, which they hoard, and do
    nothing tangible or vital to/for the economy.
    I should write an article … “Do Nothing
    Investing or Don’t File a Schedule D”.
    Seriously, while the pundits are blowing smoke
    up your derriere, they’re still creating some
    volume on the exchanges with no net change
    with a VIX of 35 or 40.

  178. myrtlemay September 20, 2011 at 7:44 pm #

    From what I’ve read, Timmy was renounced and practically laughed off stage. The impudence of the American scoundrel! He’s been so busy burying America in red ink, he thinks the Europeans are going to want to do it too! More and more of Europe is (hopefully) beginning to wake up and smell the coffee. The U.S. is headed in a full blown, downward spiral of debt. We actually want to be like Japan, with its thirty years of currency debasement and ZIRP. America couldn’t have picked a more appropriate country to emulate in our unadulterated quest to sink the very foundations of our society. And at least Japan held on to its industries. We sold ours off, hook, line, and sinker.
    The only thing missing here is a full scale nuclear meltdown, coming to a neighborhood near you! BTW, I also read that there is talk of evacuating large sections of Tokyo, due to Fukishima. Don’t wait to hear or read about this in the MSM. It ain’t there. Instead we get “Gays Now Fully Accepted – No Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. Well, hooray! That, and $2.50 will get me a small latte at Starbucks. Plus, I’ll get waited on by a gal with a Masters in Sociology.

  179. Eleuthero September 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm #

    Joe said:
    While I see Yergin as a shill, I don’t think we’ll revert to anything as grim as Jim, Richard Heinberg, and others predict.
    But Joe … we already HAVE “reverted”. What do
    you call it when 16% of Americans are “food
    insecure” and, with a realistic poverty line
    (not the one that says only 25.8% of Americans
    are below) 37% of Americans are poor??
    What do you call it when 27% of mortgages are
    under water? What do you call it when only
    64% of sub-65 Americans are NOT PARTICIPATING
    IN THE WORKFORCE?? If they were counted, the
    current REAL unemployment rate would be well
    over 30%.
    Joe … just because you don’t see it in your
    block in suburban Anywhere USA doesn’t mean it
    hasn’t already happened. Haven’t you noticed,
    also, that people are buying Starbucks coffees
    and frozen yogurts with CREDIT CARDS?? I think
    I’d faint if I saw two sub-$10 purchases in a row
    in a cafe paid for with CASH.
    I often half-jokingly say: “What if the world
    ALREADY ended and nobody noticed”? They haven’t.

  180. Eleuthero September 20, 2011 at 7:54 pm #

    Europe, unbelievably, is going to throw money
    down a rathole because they actually think
    that while short Greek rates go to 300% they
    can pull a rabbit out of their hats.
    I thought Bernanke’s operations were those of
    a ditzy pure academic who didn’t know his ass
    from a hole in the ground but, apparently, I
    am in error. Operation Twist is stupid but
    why would Merkel, Sarkozy, and the EU finance
    ministers actually believe that following a
    QE-type example set by Bernanke would work
    when they have a whole year of data that proves
    that it’s effects were net NEGATIVE??
    “Twist”, at least, has the virtue of a do-nothing
    tactic that makes the Fed look like a
    “do something” organization. Of course, we all
    know they CANNOT say that there’s nothing left
    to be done.

  181. Vlad Krandz September 20, 2011 at 8:26 pm #

    Remembe the “iron curtain” and the “Free World”? All meaningless now. Europe puts people in prison for thought crimes. This is the end result of modern liberalism which has nothing to do with classical liberalism but is its antithesis – basically a soft, homegrown form of Communism.
    Not believing in the Holocaust is also a “crime”. What are they so afraid of? Russia is much freer now than Western Europe.

  182. Vlad Krandz September 20, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    Open Homosexuality now in the military. Morale will be ruined at the elite levels as Gays and Women move in to prove that they are just as good. The Empire weakens and it is Good.

  183. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 8:45 pm #

    We sold ours off, hook, line, and sinker.
    The expression here would be lock, stock and barrel.
    One takes the bait hook, line, and sinker.

  184. myrtlemay September 20, 2011 at 9:17 pm #

    It gladdens my heart to see that you’re on top of things, as usual.

  185. Widespreadpanic7 September 20, 2011 at 9:21 pm #

    I read Yergin’s article in the WSJ debunking the peal oil theory and wondered if Jim would comment on it. The Journal gave it a lot of space … front page billing in the Weekend insert. King Hubbert gets hammered pretty bad. Yergin describes him as a political and scientific crank, famous for pretty accurately predicting when oil production in the US would begin to decline, but misinterpreting its significance and underestimating a whole bunch of factors that would emerge in the future. Yergin claims that so far, yes, we have burned up 1 trillion barrels of oil since 1859, but 5 trillion barrels of crude still exists under the ground, waiting to be tapped. He is saying that there will be no long emergency, not for a long time, if ever.
    This weekend I watched some college football games on ESPN. At one of the games attendance was almost 100,000. The parking lot was a sea of automobiles. That scene was repeated in hundreds of places around the country this weekend, not only at college football games but at the NFL, Major League Baseball and NASCAR. My point is that this hardly seems a nation starved for energy.
    JHK wrote TLE 7 years ago. So far there have been no lines at the filling station or masses of people freezing to death in Ohio or Michigan in the winter. The true situation with crude oil seems no more clear to me now than it did back in 05 when I picked up a copy of James Howard Kunstlers ‘The Long Emergency’ from a bookstore in Key West, Florida.

  186. Qshtik September 20, 2011 at 10:02 pm #

    I read Yergin’s article in the WSJ debunking the peal oil theory
    I’m going to let you slide on peal because the l is right next to the k.

  187. Widespreadpanic7 September 20, 2011 at 10:20 pm #

    Thanks for letting me off the hook, as they say.

  188. rocco September 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm #

    This week, the Kearney City Council passed an ordinance banning scavenging in garbage cans. sO UNEMPLOYMENT, AND STARVING, COLD, you can no longer do the recycling thing. JHK a good article again this week, but one of your fellow peak oil buddies listed a bunch of alternative junk false non evidenced based medical therapies. Beware my fellow JHK readers when it comes to medical claims made on these prep, peak oil sites, many are selling their bogus vitamins or snake oil for pure greedy profits. JHK and others claim that the average sheeple does not see the light, if you really want to prep for the future post oil world, then base life saving plans on evidence based, reality based options. quackwatch.com will help. Praise Zeus!

  189. Widespreadpanic7 September 20, 2011 at 10:44 pm #

    Several weeks ago radio commentator and author Mark Steyn, New Hampshire resident, released his book, ‘Armageddon, the End of America’, or some such title, very similar in some ways to ‘The Long Emergency’. Anybody read it? He’s more conservative than Jim, and funnier, but they reach the same conclusions, especially on the morbid of the American populace.

  190. novacandycaine September 21, 2011 at 12:20 am #

    OT- If my comment is “being held by owner,” does that mean it just entered the void never to be seen again?

  191. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 12:21 am #


  192. Qshtik September 21, 2011 at 12:38 am #

    does that mean it just entered the void never to be seen again?

  193. AMR September 21, 2011 at 12:40 am #

    I just lost another one to the void, too. I guess I’ll have to take it to my own blog, aliensinthefamily.wordpress.com. (I don’t mind doing a little shameless self-promotion when weird things are happening to user comments on this forum.) Or chop it up into little itty bits.

  194. Qshtik September 21, 2011 at 12:42 am #

    CNBC is running a Million Dollar Portfolio Challenge contest that started Monday 9/19 and runs for 10 weeks. After 2 days 76% of the contestants are doing better than me and 24% worse. There’s always tomorrow.

  195. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 12:52 am #

    Energy can neither be created nor destroyed And Info is a kind of energy. The Void preseves all things forever – if only in the Memory of the Eternal Now. Whether you can retrieve it is whole nother question.

  196. Buck Stud September 21, 2011 at 12:57 am #

    Perhaps we have different views on what constitutes a prophet. I would classify JHK as an architectural aesthete with a high degree of sensibility in addition to being a very informed soothsayer – in terms of his willingness go out on a limb to predict. And I would classify John McClaren, the Scottish horticulturalist, as a prophet/artist based upon the DIVINE ambiance of Golden Gate Park decades after his death. And Timothy Giethner…well, he is a savior – even if you don’t like or agree with what he is attempting to save.

  197. novacandycaine September 21, 2011 at 1:39 am #

    Just who or what is threatened by front yard gardening? I doubt Monsanto is behind this complaint. Perhaps myopic neighbors with very particular ideas regarding lawn aesthetics and purpose? *shrug*
    Anyway, here’s a link to one such garden in Memphis facing legal backlash: http://boingboing.net/2011/09/20/another-illegal-kitchen-garden.html?dlvrit=36761

  198. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 1:49 am #

    All my posts are backed up on my blog VladIsLord.com

  199. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 1:52 am #

    Sufi Sam worked in the Park for many years as well. He was a disciple of Hazrat Inayat Khan.

  200. xhalor September 21, 2011 at 3:18 am #

    “A major reason for continuing growth in petroleum supplies is that oil previously regarded as inaccessible or uneconomical is now part of the mix,…”. Yes! And tomato ketchup is a vegetable. Or, was it, Daniel Yergin is a vegetable? Wait, Daniel Yergin is tomato ketchup. Yeah, that’s it.

  201. xhalor September 21, 2011 at 3:26 am #

    I used to be really worried that Americans wouldn’t be able to handle boredom. Nah. They’ll be too busy guarding their dandelions and fighting over the cheese paper from a Big Mac.

  202. xhalor September 21, 2011 at 3:43 am #

    “…the inability to confront the real problems that we face due to the delusional framework of ideas.” But you don’t actually describe any of the “real problems”. I want you to get out a fresh notebook and two sharpened #2 pencils…

  203. xhalor September 21, 2011 at 4:05 am #

    I’ve been in some really hairy and really hairless situations, but, I’ve never had to confront a group of angry geologists. So, do they come at you with those little rock hammers? Damn, I’m gonna have to consult my Kung Fu master and formulate an adequate defense. (hint: Fuller hair brush).

  204. Widespreadpanic7 September 21, 2011 at 9:08 am #

    During the past several weeks both the NYT & WSJ have reported on massive new oil finds in Brazil, Ghana, Mexico, the Gulf and Nigeria. There could be something to this, or, as Jim adroitly puts it, these pubs could be “blowing smoke up our ass”. I don’t know. A billion barrels here, a billion barrels there, its starts to add up.
    What I do know, as I look out my kitchen window on Rte 1 here in Key Largo, there is no letup in automobile traffic headed south, unmistakably headed south. The gasoline to power up those machines is coming from somewhere. There doesn’t seem to be any shortages of it … I’d say there is more traffic now than ever. The thing with peak oil (as well as global warming) is that nemesis is always just around the corner, next year, a decade from now, at the turn of the century, IF WE DON’T ACT RIGHT AWAY!!! Meanwhile, life around you goes on, such as it is, and everybody else is having a good time and enjoying themselves while you’re sitting around worried about this shit.
    What I do know is that this civilization as we know it right now, for all its flaws, the one that the anarchists, leftists, academics, environmentalists and communists complain about here each week, will indeed go on forever if Daniel Yergin proves correct in his assertions concerning the availability of oil left in the ground.

  205. progress2conserve September 21, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    “What I do know is that this civilization as we know it right now…..will indeed go on forever if Daniel Yergin proves correct in his assertions concerning the availability of oil left in the ground.”
    -wsp 7-
    Forever is a long time, widespread.
    And Yergin’s in-the-ground oil estimate gives us only 42 years before your projection of “forever” gets here and becomes “now.”
    “….everybody else is having a good time and enjoying themselves while you’re sitting around worried about this shit.” -wsp-
    Yeah – I’ve never been one to want to miss out on a good time, either. And being worried – by itself – won’t change a thing.
    I think it’s better to be aware and honest – without being worried. If enough people in the US could become simply aware and simply honest –
    then it might yet be possible to bring ourselves in for some sort of a soft landing – or something.

  206. ozone September 21, 2011 at 10:03 am #

    Yeah – I’ve never been one to want to miss out on a good time, either. And being worried – by itself – won’t change a thing.
    I think it’s better to be aware and honest – without being worried. If enough people in the US could become simply aware and simply honest –
    then it might yet be possible to bring ourselves in for some sort of a soft landing – or something.
    This reflects my general attitude as well.
    The only two things I “worry” about are: processing enough wood to keep warm over the winter; making the road passable and developing enough niches on the side to push snow into. (These seem to be on the increase, for some reason. ;o)

  207. progress2conserve September 21, 2011 at 10:10 am #

    – because of worldwide population growth and economic growth “…our time frame for oil availability is somewhere around 35 years. That’s using an assumptive supply of 1.4 trillion…”
    -bill o’ Boston-
    My guess is that Yergin’s estimate of 1.4 trillion barrels is probably optimistic – – because he’s an industry insider/spokesman – and those sorts of people almost ALWAYS err on the side of optimism – in ANY industry that I’ve ever examined.
    So your estimate of 35 years worth of oil remaining is probably closer to reality – than is the Yergin/industry estimate of 42 years.
    And that’s not to Peak Oil. NO, NO, NO – That’s to ZERO Oil – all gone. Which is not good – in a world that’s come to be dependent on oil for food, water, and life.
    What to do? Be aware of the problem. Be honest about the problem – without becoming *visibly?* insane, or losing all joy out of life.
    And work to change the growth-at-all-cost mentality that is accepted without question in the US, and most of the world.
    And work to reduce population growth where we can, as US citizens – which is mostly INSIDE the US, and mostly due to illegal and LEGAL immigration. Join NumbersUSA.

  208. Qshtik September 21, 2011 at 10:33 am #

    Perhaps myopic neighbors with very particular ideas regarding lawn aesthetics and purpose?
    The town I live in apparently doesn’t have any rules about front yard gardens. Otherwise a particular woman up the block would be doing 10 to 20 in solitary.
    This woman never fails to mention in any neighborly conversation that she is a professional horticulturist yet her front yard is far and away the ugliest mess on the street. I have never seen anything growing there that looked like what might be called a “crop,” just a great tangle of who knows what.
    Since I am horticulturally challenged I can’t say whether good things are or are not happening in and above the soil of her front yard but I’d be lying if I didn’t say it was a foul eyesore.

  209. budizwiser September 21, 2011 at 10:48 am #

    Here it is:
    The “talk” is now out the open – what happens next could determine the nature of our Clusterfuck as well.
    most excellent info – take 5 – get a clue and read it!

  210. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm #

    Vlad: “You think people are equal? Why? Can you prove that? Isn’t that ridiculous – I mean what is equal or what does equal mean? It’s a useful abstraction in Law and Mathematics. And yes, all people should have some basic equal rights – but you take it far beyond that. Letting everyone vote is like deciding the laws of physics by voting.”
    Yes, I believe people are equal. I agree with the Declaration of Independence, and with the tradition of Enlightenment thought generally, that it is “self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed… with certain unalienable rights” (though I don’t buy the Creator part). That’s not a conclusion based on observation, it’s a value that governs my approach to life. You understand the difference between facts and values, right?
    Now, what does equal mean? It means that there is only one category of person before the law: no aristocrats, no king or queen, no peasantry defined by their obligation to serve their lords. A just law is applicable in the same way to each and every one, and a just people seek to institute just laws, not unjust ones that accord power to certain categories of people while denying it to others.
    Finally, the laws the land are instituted by human beings – they are not immutable universal truths like the laws of physics (or such as people claim for shari’a or the ten commandments). That you think the laws of a nation should be on an equal footing with the laws of physics puts you in the same camp with religious fanatics.

  211. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm #

    Vlad: “Feminists loathe Lewis and Tolkien – as do all Communists. Not all good people love these two, but all evil people hate them.”
    Guilt by association is not a strong argument. I love Tolkien’s fantasies as much as anyone, but that doesn’t mean I accept his ideological positions wholesale. Lewis I never had much use for — didn’t read him when I was a kid, didn’t think much of him as an adult.
    Vlad: “Lewis talked about the growing danger of Feminism.”
    So much the worse for C.S. Lewis, then. He wrote bad science fiction (Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra are okay adventures but abysmal as SF) and used all his powers to manipulate his readers’ minds around to the One True Religion, i.e. Anglicanism. The best thing I can say for him is at least I never had to sit through the kind of outright screeds that Heinlein liked to perpetrate.
    Vlad: “Do you believe that Women have the right to throw men out of their homes, take their children, falsely accuse them of pedophilia and then be supported by their vicim for the rest of their lives? I know you do.”
    What I believe is that women have the same rights as men. The idea that I would support a false accusation of anything is something you just pulled out of your nether orifice.

  212. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Meaning his Resume was a little thin but due to his dads skin color and going to Rev Wrights church he got to the White house [pun on white in white house unintended].”
    Really? Obama’s race actually *helped* him get elected to the White House (which legitimately belongs to Caucasians for all time, seems to be the drift of your comment)? That’s a neat inversion of reality.

  213. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    I have his previous book.
    We have wise men like him and JHK and disinformation in Time/Newsweek with cover stories like, IS AMERICA ISLAMOPHOBIC?

  214. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    The Black vote and Wall Street Money got him in.

  215. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 2:19 pm #

    BS….Human Nature is across the board.
    Someone who speaks Spanish at home doesnt ‘love all Latinos’.
    There was a truly spooky front page story from
    THE LA TIMES….’Pretending to be Mexican in LA’
    The tale of Central Americans who have to face the hatred of Mexicans in LA and try to pass for Mexican.
    I doubt if ‘Ask A Mexican’ can deflect such realities with glib humor.

  216. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 2:23 pm #

    Gawd you can say so much in so few words!
    How long have you had a blog?
    Did you keep it secret?

  217. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 2:24 pm #

    Really? yes Really!!
    Do you think anyone with that flimsy a resume could have been elected president if he were white?

  218. k-dog September 21, 2011 at 2:24 pm #

    BUDIZWISERDiscuss the article you asked and so I am. The author closes the article with

    “I believe there are plenty of issues to worry about right now, but peak oil is not one of them.”

    So Kurt Brouwer the author and Daniel Yergin both get their corn pone out of the same bag.
    My comment:
    The logic of something not happening because it has not happened yet is not an argument to be taken at all seriously. On the first of the month November looks to be a pretty good month for a turkey. The article is empty rhetoric to support a self serving point of view. (gimmie ur money) Kurt Brouwer is a turkey who can play with a graph.

  219. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm #

    I’m sure Vlad finds it much easier to attack a straw man than deal with a real argument made by someone who knows what they’re talking about.

  220. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm #

    Three cheers for the end of “Don’t ask, don’t tell”! Now America’s soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen (or women) will be judged by their actual performance, not their membership in some group. The best will now be able to perform to their utmost, receiving the honour they deserve — think of it! even if they’re gay. That’s a triumph for reason, freedom, and basic decency.

  221. k-dog September 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm #

    Where Kurt Brouwer obtained his graph.
    There Will Be Oil
    I can’t post a link to a dark side article without pointing out that despite the extreme length and pretty pictures it’s all bullshit.
    The article says:

    By 2010, U.S. oil production was 3½ times higher than Hubbert had estimated: 5.5 million barrels per day versus Hubbert’s 1971 estimate of no more than 1.5 million barrels per day. Hardly a “minor deviation.”

    This is ridiculous! U.S. oil production is clearly past peak. To criticize Hubbert theory because it did not call the exact data point on the declining U.S. production tail in September 2011 is ludicrous and appeals only to the ignorant.
    Total snake oil.
    I hope knowing that this fool writes books and that other fools buy and read them will inspire some of us to be more activist in expressing our point of view.
    Time is slipping by.

  222. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

    Rocco: “This week, the Kearney City Council passed an ordinance banning scavenging in garbage cans. sO UNEMPLOYMENT, AND STARVING, COLD, you can no longer do the recycling thing.”
    It’s of a piece with bylaws preventing people from keeping chickens, or growing vegetables in their front yards. There is a state of affairs called Normality, and if you’re not Normal (i.e. properly fed, clothed and sheltered in a nice McMansion that you can’t afford, complete with a green expanse of lawn and nicely-trimmed hedges), you’re something Other and must be kept out of sight of decent folk.
    Reminds me of the quote from Anatole France: “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.” But reality has a way of spoiling even the most assiduous efforts to keep up appearances. People will start getting the idea soon enough.

  223. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    That’s all we need, is it — for Daniel Yergin to be right — and all this will continue? Nothing more to think about, just a lot of yammering by anarchists, leftists, academics, environmentalists and so on? We’ve reached the end of history? I wish I had anything like your serene confidence that there is nothing new under the sun. Actually taking thought for the future can be a real heartbreaker sometimes.

  224. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 3:43 pm #

    anti soak: “The Black vote and Wall Street Money got him in.”
    Far be it from me to defend the role of money in America’s electoral system. As for the black vote, well, supposing that to be true, that sounds like they were a critical part of his majority, and what’s wrong with that? As far as that goes, that’s the system working the way it’s intended to work – majority rule. (Pace the Electoral College.)
    There wasn’t even a question about how any of the votes were counted, as in 2000. Given that Obama received a majority of the popular vote, would you have denied him the presidency on some other basis? What would that basis be?

  225. Lisa V September 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm #

    I have read that daily oil consumption in USA is
    18,690,000 barrel. Multiply by 365 days it is 6,821,850,000 a year.
    Also proven oil reserve is 22,450,000,000.
    So our own oil will last slightly over 3 years.
    Please point me to the source of your numbers.

  226. progress2conserve September 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    Lisa –
    The 1.4 trillion proven/probable reserves came from Mr. Yergin in the article that budizwizer linked.
    90 million bbls/day came from SNAFU’s post this week. But it could have come from a number of places on the internet, such as here:
    Here’s another place to get information, with some pretty neat charts and graphs.
    It’s interesting how oil figures can be manipulated. For example, the Saudis show reserves of 244 billion barrels – which “they” say would last them 81 years at current pumping rates.
    But if the whole world ran exclusively on Saudi oil at 90,000,000 bbls/day – we would burn up the WHOLE Saudi reserve supply in slightly less than 7 years and 6 months.
    And I’d, personally, say good riddance to the nasty black – and politically entangling – stuff.

  227. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 5:06 pm #

    Jefferson didn’t really believe that everyone is the same – which is what you mean, and entitled to equal outcomes and wages no doubt. He was reacting against traditional nobility and its control of society. But he certainly believed in an Aristocracy of Merit. And in any case, believe it or not, he was only talking about White Men. That someone would someday twist his words as you people do would have amazed him. That just goes to show, if something isn’t locked down very carefully, it will be misinterpreted. And even if it locked down, it will be pillaged by intellectual thieves as they now pillage the Constitution. But Jefferson was easy to overturn because of his loose, romantic language.

  228. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

    Everything you “know” is a false, a misinterpretation, or a lie. You take pop idealism and defend it with a floppy tin sword.
    You probably even voted for Obama. You probably will again even though Whites are abandoning him in droves. They’ve realized the Truth – late but better late than never. You’re just prejudiced in favor of him because he’s Black. That’s why Blacks vote for him too btw. But even they are getting annoyed because he hasn’t delivered the booty. Where are those million dollar reparation checks everyone was expecting?

  229. Vlad Krandz September 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm #

    Have you heard about the miracle baby born on a flight to the US? The mother, a Filipina, wanted her baby to be an American. The media is trying to make this into a good thing. Too bad it popped out en route – a new internationalist! According to Asokean Logic, the perfect American is a non American. The more American, the less American.

  230. Widespreadpanic7 September 21, 2011 at 5:55 pm #

    Elrond Hubbard? The Scientology Chief? You said you would come back some day sir, and here you are! Did you ride in on your spaceship?
    “Thats all we need – for Yergin to be right – and all this will continue” … ElRon Hubbard
    That’ pretty much it, Elrond! This site, JHKs (and others) entire career, all the dark fantastic, predictions and the copious handwringing in CFN, all of it is based upon the premise that world oil production has, or will soon, peak (at about 90 million bpd) demand will continue to rise, and societal collapse and international strife will ensue. If that is not the case, well, this is just another site where leftists air their many grievances against the United States, Israel, Western Culture, the Jews, Christian right, Sarah Palin, Governor Perry, those fat stupid midwesterners, whitey, corporations, NASCAR … you name it.
    Simply put, if the crude continues to flow unimpeded into the future, so will beer, the muscle cars, the big pickups, the buffalo wings, the McMansions, the strip malls (a new one is going in the next town over) the drag races … pretty much everything you hate and much that I’m not so crazy about myself. That’s all I’m saying.

  231. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 5:59 pm #

    Yes, and P’Ricans dont ‘love’ Mexican Invaders!
    The LA Times did a story on a ‘wunnerful’ innovative business..A woman who has a boarding house for Koreans who are about to drop their anchor.
    I agree with yr reading of Elrond and Q I agree
    w/o bubblehead and a few others this site is all to quiet.
    Do the 2 of you read/ enjoy Elaine Supkis blog?

  232. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm #

    ‘what’s wrong with that?
    You imply its wrong, I never did.
    Blacks got lied to, too!
    Hes an equal opportunity offender.
    The fact is [many/most]Blacks who voted for him did so because they perceive him as ‘Black’, One of Them and hence looking out for them with Hope N Change….
    How wrong they were.
    I agree with Vlad the Bad on his assessment of you.

  233. anti soak September 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm #

    search – Blog Vladislord
    – did not match any documents.

  234. george September 21, 2011 at 6:46 pm #

    I recently had the opportunity to leave the economically barren confines of Metro Detroit to visit family in Calgary, Alberta. The city of Calgary, I was informed upon arrival, with a population of 1.2 million, is the fourth-largest metropolitan area of Canada and together with Edmonton, Canada’s murder capital, forms a metro area with over two million people. Unlike Detroit, Calgary was an urban backwater for the first half of the 20th century, catering largely to cattle ranchers and wheat farmers. It was also a center for religious fundamentalism and radical right-wing politics, spawning the far-right Social Credit party in the 1930’s and the grand-dragon of neo-Conservatism in Canada, Ralph Klein. In the 1950’s, major oil reserves were discovered in northern Alberta making the province into an energy powerhouse for all of North America. With all that wealth at its’ disposal, Calgary quickly became a magnet for oil companies and businesses that relied on the oil industry for business. A oil bust in the 1980’s temporarily brought growth to a halt but that changed in the 90’s as the demand for oil and gas grew and the city diversified its’ economy from one that was purely dependant on oil and cattle ranching into a leading technology center. Despite all this wealth, Calgary has about as much charm as a exurb of Toronto or Chicago. All of the main arteries function like mini-expressways and once you leave the post-modern skyscrapers of downtown, you are confronted by a vista of endless strip malls and big-box outlets that look close together when you’re driving by at 70 mph but in fact are miles apart. Like Texas, Alberta prides itself for its’ low taxes and business-friendly atmosphere. Yet for all of its’ supposed advantages, Calgary has an even darker future than the ecomically moribund Detroit. Unlike Detroit, you can’t grow field tomatoes and cucumbers in Calgary’s harsh climate, the city is not strategically located on a major body of water like Detroit at the mouth of Lake Erie and the city has no tradition of producing things of value yet it continues to boom, drawing thousands of unemployed factory workers from Ontario and corporate head offices from Toronto. If Calgary isn’t the future then how on earth can it continue to flourish while the rest of the world goes to hell?

  235. Buck Stud September 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm #

    ” But he certainly believed in an Aristocracy of Merit. And in any case, believe it or not, he was only talking about White Men.”
    But would a Thomas Jefferson ‘only be talking about White Men’ in the year 2011? And if he did talk the racial separatist talk in 2011, he surely wouldn’t go by the name of TJ – DD would be more like it.
    Sorry Vlad, time doesn’t stand still and neither do people. But retreat to your Victorian weeping room if you must. After all, you’re still suffering from the DD double-down: Duked and Duped

  236. DeeJones September 21, 2011 at 10:27 pm #

    You know, it must be a sweeeet gig being a CEO now, even if you turn your companies (HP) stock into toilet paper and get your ass fired after only a year, you will still walk away with tens of millions of dollars, and probably get the chance to fuck up another company too, and get to end up with the SAME big bag o’ loot on top of it!
    Shit, I shoulda got that dam MBA, I could been a billionaire by now, I mean, I know how to fuck up a company as well as they do….
    🙂 Dee

  237. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 10:34 pm #

    Jefferson was a man of his time. If it were never possible to follow principles in directions their earliest proponents would not have approved of, there would still be slaveowners around, as Jefferson was, to say nothing of the civil rights gains of the past half century.

  238. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 10:42 pm #

    Vlad, you’re making straw-man arguments again, because you refuse to believe that others do not see everything in racial terms as you do. And no, I did not vote for Obama, because I’m Canadian, but I do follow the American scene closely. (It’s basic self-preservation: “Like the mouse in bed with the elephant, no matter how friendly the beast, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.” Pierre Elliott Trudeau.)
    To a foreign observer, it was eminently clear that the choice between the Republican and Democratic candidates was a false one: the fix was in, and the true masters (the banks and big money interests generally) were going to get their way. I honestly don’t know how I would have in some hypothetical world, because your system excludes so many important options. But don’t impose your preconceptions on me, please.

  239. Elrond Hubbard September 21, 2011 at 10:48 pm #

    If the crude continues to flow unimpeded into the future, the Earth will become inhospitable to human civilization as we have known it that much more quickly. There are thousands of years of warming baked into the cake already. Forget about moralizing, just deal with facts: Either we’ll change our ways in ways we don’t like, or the universe will change them for us in ways we’ll like much, much less. The one scenario that will not happen is that the future looks just like the present, except more of it.

  240. San Jose Mom 51 September 21, 2011 at 11:06 pm #

    On Nightly Business Report they joked that HP stands for “Has Problems.”
    It’s sad to see a once-great company flounder. My husband and I met at HP Labs. We sent love notes to each other in binary.

  241. rippedthunder September 21, 2011 at 11:20 pm #

    Howdy-ho Clusterfuckers, I am in the process of dealing with about 300 lbs of tomaters, and yet still more to come. Sauce is boilin’ as we speak. I’ll tell ya, if you want to preserve food this is the ticket.
    I picked one up a coupla years ago at a garage sale for 20 ballons. best money I ever spent. No, I do not have stock in the company. Apple sauce, tomato sauce, etc. etc. This thing rocks. They are expensive new, but you can grab them on ebay at a discount. Get all three strainers if ya can. Thats it for me. I got sick of all the religious and racial crap on this site. Happy Trails!

  242. Qshtik September 22, 2011 at 12:15 am #

    At the end of yesterday I was pathetically in 369,000+ place with 76% of the contestants ahead of me and only 24% worse than me.
    Today the market took a beating, down 285 DOW pts, most of which occurred right after “the Bernank” came out with his latest scheme to improve the economy. Market players listened and then executed SELL!!! orders by the boatload.
    I was prepared for a nasty day by being long several double and triple levered inverse ETFs. Translation: these ETFs rise in value as the markets fall and do so at 2x or 3x the underlying index on which they are based.
    The incredible result of all this was that my ranking rose from 369,000+ to 9,104th place. That rank when combined with $2, of course, will get me a ride on the NY Subway but there’s 2 days left in this week’s action and 9 weeks left in the contest.
    At this moment only 1.27% of contestants are ahead of me and 98.73% are behind.
    Yeah, yeah, I know, who gives a shit and what does it have to do with peak oil?

  243. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 1:03 am #

    It exists on another plane – part of the Akashic Records. The Cyber Universe is a dead copy of the physical whereas the Akashic is just as alive or more. I tried to telly you telapathically but you were blocking me.

  244. cowswithguns September 22, 2011 at 1:18 am #

    I wonder if the Bernank’s actions or expected future actions have anything to do with what I’ve been noticing in the credit default swap market, specifically the cost to insure Greece’s debt — http://www.cnbc.com/id/38451750
    Maybe I’m crazy, but I recall it was in the thousands of dollars to ensure every $10 million of Greek debt. Then, a couple days ago, there was a move of like 1500% downward, which brought the cost to just $60. Only a few other countries, including the US are below that figure.
    I’m not an expert on this stuff, but if those figures are correct and I’m understanding the data correctly, I’d say those in the know are either predicting a massive bailout to Greece — either through the FED or ECB — or, somehow, the Greeks are going to get their shit together overnight and turn into Germans.

  245. Qshtik September 22, 2011 at 1:26 am #

    thousands of dollars to ensure every $10 million of Greek debt.
    Can’t help ya Cows … I know less than nothing about the cost of insuring Greek debt.

  246. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 1:35 am #

    And you are a man of our time (I’m not) replete with all its limitations and absurdities. You assume that everything now is more advanced than then – but this is false. Call it the chronological argument. Along with arguing from authority or by the most people (democracy) etc, it’s a logical fallacy. Jefferson’s time was in many ways more enlightened than our own. Physical science and technology have greatly advanced, but their inlfuence in philosphy have been bad and their use in daily life pernicious. We have regressed in many areas.

  247. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 1:38 am #

    If you go wrong and stray off the trail, you have two choices: keep going and hope like hell it will work out or trace your steps back to where you went wrong. We went off the Trail a long time ago and we just kept going. It shows. Real progress would be to retrace our steps. Only then do we have a chance of getting back on the right path that leads to our Destiny.

  248. Mark_BC September 22, 2011 at 4:07 am #

    I don’t know if y’all have seen this series of videos but you will probably all enjoy them, an explanation of how the bond market works and hopelessly enslaves us all. The only silver lining I see in the coming economic collapse is that the bond holders will no longer be enslaving us via debt, but they’ll probably find some other way of doing it. Oh, another thing to look forward to is that the profligate over-consumption will end, but that’s because there will be a lot less left to consume.
    The thing about Peak Oil is that it’s not like any other “thing” that becomes scarce, which then encourages better efficiency due to price increases. Due to the EROEI concept, with Peak Oil, efficiency DECREASES as the resource gets used up, which means that the energy collapse is unstoppable once it starts, and it will happen exponentially quickly, not gradually.

  249. IxNoMor September 22, 2011 at 5:55 am #

    WoW! Just *WoW*!!!
    I mean, somehow I’ve apparently been permanently IP banned!!! At least *someone* figured out how to do that finally (sigh)…
    “Eleuthero | September 20, 2011 4:31 AM | Reply
    What is this bullshit where I made a post and
    it is being “held for moderation”?? Never
    happened to me before.”
    At least you weren’t perma-banned, like me. *Count your blessings.*
    ” lbendet replied to comment from Eleuthero | September 20, 2011 7:56 AM | Reply
    Ha! Welcome to my world, E. …
    I can’t believe how I’m agreeing with your posts, today.”
    Why is that? What did I say that you didn’t agree with? Nvrmind, I’ll not get back to it NEwaze.
    Not sure what I did that pissed off Soker/multiple personality guy/admin – all I recall doing is calling idiotic moronic dumb-@$$ douche-bag imbeciles what they were, and then providing evidence to show *exactly why*.
    Whatever, continue to enjoy 30%+ comments from the vampire racist douche and his skyscraper clothing manufacturer. Also, hope for some sort of political solution to exponential natural resource depletion, and exponential water/land/air/sea pollution by heavy metals/radiation/carcinogenic hydrocarbons. I’m done here – I had to proxy just to post this – will not be back ever again. Celebrate my permanent silence for me!!!

  250. progress2conserve September 22, 2011 at 10:21 am #

    Sorry about your banning and permabanning, IX.
    It makes no sense to me, and I can’t see where you’ve done anything to justify it.
    I’m on my 3rd screenname myself.
    I’d like to know what has happened to all of our posters and all of the “thoughtiness” that was going into this comment thread as recently as a month ago.
    And the only posters, IMO, that have deserved perma-banning were FabToot, because of his profanity/disrespect; and Spider/8MTata for his multiple posting.
    Other than that, everyone was pretty much worth reading – or slow scrolling – at least once.
    Take care out there IX.
    Come back to the CFN battle when the urge hits.

  251. progress2conserve September 22, 2011 at 10:35 am #

    Hey RT! Congratulations on all the tomatoes and everything. And glad you came back to explain your long absences.
    “…Get all three strainers if ya can. Thats it for me. I got sick of all the religious and racial crap on this site. Happy Trails!”
    Well, I for one, will miss you around here. And I’ve got a “strainer” that filters out the repetitive noise of all the religious and racial crap. Works for me, anyway.
    And I’ve come to understand that there will be huge problems with racial and religious crap in real time 24/7 – if and when TS ever HTF in TUS of A. I choose to think about it now – in cybertime – as a way of being more prepared in real life. But maybe, that works for me, but not for everybody.
    You’re an asset to the CFN peak oil community, RT.
    Wish you’d think about continuing to post – from time to time.

  252. progress2conserve September 22, 2011 at 10:44 am #

    Speaking of TS contacting TF –
    That wikipedia “Oil Reserves” article I linked the other day has some very interesting charts.
    Like – the Saudis have 81 years of oil.*
    And – the US presently supplies 50% of its own oil.
    And – the US has a 10 year supply of oil.*
    *at present extraction rates
    We are burning the stuff so fast that we will be OUT in ten years??? Completely OUT in the US!!
    What happens then?
    Will it not involve a fan and some deep sh*t?

  253. Widespreadpanic7 September 22, 2011 at 11:28 am #

    Jim’s friend Richard Hienberg was a guest on ‘Coast-to-Coast’ last night, 2 hours talking about his new book ‘The End of Growth’, also peal oil. Not very happy subjects in these times, but necessary to talk about, and you have to give George Noury a lot of credit for having him on. Heinberg himself was soft spoken, articulate and convincing, the voice of a professional writer that he says he is. The message is getting out there. Peak oil is even a subject once again on this site, after a long break.
    Daniel Yergin’s name came up; Heinberg was dismissive of him, as Jim is. But it needs to be pointed out that Yergin wrote the best, most comprehensive book ever written about the oil industry, ‘The Prize’, and is recognized as an expert in his field. To me he doesn’t seem to be ‘a shill for the oil industry’. The oil companies have their own PR (propaganda) departments, on staff. Yergin is independent of that. I think what he has to say, the claims he makes about recoverable oil left in the ground, should be taken seriously. Not dismissed out of hand. He knows what he’s talking about.

  254. Buck Stud September 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm #

    You seem to be insinuating that folks such as JHK are too invested in a “belief system” and preordained outcome to acknowledge a ‘serious and independent’ oil expert such as Yergin. Why don’t you elaborate more and tell us why Yergin should not be discounted, and even more specifically, why his claims about recoverable oil “should be taken seriously”?
    I, for one, will be eagerly anticipating your response.

  255. Buck Stud September 22, 2011 at 1:01 pm #

    And I failed to mention…something more objective than the citing of credentials.

  256. progress2conserve September 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm #

    “And I failed to mention…something more objective than the citing of credentials.”
    -buck, to wsp-
    And even if Yergin is 100% absolutely and accurately correct –
    His figures give 42 years until all oil that is “potentially recoverable” is recovered and burned up. And that’s at today’s use rate of 90 million bbls/day.
    Is that a long period of time?
    Should we just twiddle our thumbs on renewables and simply invade other countries for 42 years –
    and then give up oil use by magic.
    Is that really the plan of Those PTB?
    Is a bad plan better than no plan?
    The clock is ticking on forming a better plan.
    Does anyone in govt. or industry have a plan for when the oil runs out?
    It might be good if they would share this plan with the world at large.

  257. k-dog September 22, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

    A better plan would be a really good idea. I’m sure military invasion puts a huge adjustment on traditional EROEI calculation.
    We should think in terms of EROMI instead of EROEI where EROMI relates to EROEI by the equation.
    EROMI = (k * EROEI).
    EROMI is
    Energy Returned On Military Intervention.
    The k term is a simple constant of proportionality.
    How much of that 42 years has a meaningful EROMI.
    If k = 0.25 it is 10 years 6 months.
    If k = 0.70 it is 29 years 5 months.
    So what’s a reasonable value for k. Anybody care to guess?
    EROIM would be much nicer to have.
    Energy Returned On Intelligent Management.
    EROIM gives k greater than 1.
    If k was 2 we would have 84 years, 3 gives over 100. That’s enough time to bring renewable resources online and make gentle and appropriate changes to lifestyles. Heaven on Earth.
    I wish it could be more than a daydream.

  258. Widespreadpanic7 September 22, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    i’m writing as someone who pretty much accepts Peak
    Oil theory as stated by Heinberg, JHK, Professor Deffeyse, Pillip Hiro, the late Matthew Simmons, Colin Campbell et al. But there are many, many knowledgeable people out there whose columns appear regularly in the New York Times, London Financial Times and especially the Wall Street Journal who say no, all the apocalyptic, doomsday predictions espoused by peak oil theorists are just a lot of bullshit. Yergin is one of these, maybe the most prominent one. Are they all ‘shills for the Petroleum Industry’? Do they all have some hidden agenda? Are all of them trying to hide the truth?
    I’m in my 50’s and I’ve heard a lot of doomsday predictions in my life, from nuclear holocaust in the 60’s to the Y2K meltdown 11 years ago. There were many more. Thing is, none of them ever materialized! We’re still here! Jim wrote TLE 7 years ago. There are no gas lines. Old ladies are not freezing to death en masse inside their homes in winter. I can drive to a gas station right now and fill up my truck. Super markets are full of food. Football season is in full swing and each weekend literally millions of fans are driving to gamea all over the country. For me, its hard to deny what I see in front of me with my own eyes. Right now I’m looking out my window and seeing cars by the hundreds headed south on US 1, south to Key West.
    I hope I answered your question.

  259. k-dog September 22, 2011 at 2:37 pm #

    Yergen can’t defend Marion King Hubbert arguments so he attacks him personally. I posted the link to Yergins article earlier, it’s right there, do a search if you wish. Thats called argumentum ad hominem and identifies those who can’t deal with truth.
    I’m happy you are having a fine time on US 1. Europe is in a mess and people are getting desperate there. Practically the entire younger generation of both Europe and America can’t find work. Poverty is at an all time high according to new census data.
    And you say doomsday predictions never come true.
    Enjoy the drive.

  260. Widespreadpanic7 September 22, 2011 at 3:13 pm #

    Kdog, I was in Europe a few weeks ago, Portugal, Spain & France. Believe me, people are not ‘getting desperate’. Cafes and bars are full, street level markets are thriving, and everybody, young and old, seem to be enjoying the last days of summer.
    – WideSpreadPanic

  261. Confusionism September 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

    I also live in the Keys, down in Key West and we’ve had an exceptionally busy summer with record-breaking months for many hotels, but I have no idea why. Is this some sort of cognitive dissonance on a mass scale? As I type this the Dow is taking a giant dump of over 500 points, mostly due to a confluence of factors ranging from slowing manufacturing in China to the in-fighting amongst the howling troop of baboons we have running this country. It’s hard not to look at all of this and hear the chattering and think that this may be the beginning of a great unravelling. Time will only tell.
    On another note, if you want to feel better about your situation, check out CNN tonight at 9:00 EST on the Piers Morgan show. One of the guests is Dr. Paul Farmer, co-founder of Partners in Health, to talk about Haiti’s slow and painful recovery from last year’s earthquake.

  262. asoka. September 22, 2011 at 4:14 pm #

    Thanks for this report. I have recently made a several thousand mile trip across the USA and see nothing resembling TSHTF. Shopping malls are full of shoppers. Bumper to bumper traffic on highways.
    America is not “broke” … not by a long shot. We have enough surplus wealth to last us much longer than Cuba has outlasted the USA embargo … decades worth of excess wealth.
    Unfortunately, on CFN you can cite peer-reviewed scientific studies or you can cite anecdotal evidence based on real-life experience, but if your observations do not correspond with the CFN dogma (“We are all fucked”), then it will be ignored. Optimism based on hard numbers is especially loathed here.
    The irony is you can be accused of “willful ignorance” because your view does not support CFN doomster pessimism, even when you have hard evidence and decades of experience on your side.
    For example, if the DOW goes up you will be told not to confuse Wall Street with Main Street. Well, now the DOW is going down, so we shouldn’t worry, right? No, when it goes down things are bad. Same with “government” unemployment statistics. Believable if they are bad, but discredited as manipulated if they are good. The CFN game is rigged.

  263. Confusionism September 22, 2011 at 4:35 pm #

    I agree with you that disagreement with the tenets of JHK followers on this blog is usually met with at least a small dose of derision. I also agree that the USofA is not broke. I must add, however, that we don’t have to be broke for the STHTF in this country as long as the growing disparity in wealth continues on its present course. At some point a French Revolution-style reckoning could be unleashed as long as the average American can be woken form his present stupor.

  264. Confusionism September 22, 2011 at 4:36 pm #


  265. asoka. September 22, 2011 at 4:53 pm #

    Post-Patriot Act, with increased spending on SWAT-team type police forces, I do not foresee any kind of violent civil unrest that would be successful.
    Perhaps a nonviolent movement could succeed, but folks who are armed and itchin’ to use their arms are not well-versed in the tactics of nonviolent resistance. They mistakenly think they are better off with guns and probably do not even believe in nonviolent civil disobedience as a strategy for social change.
    Those who are clinging to their guns cannot succeed in bringing about positive change. Their foolish insistence on using guns will be met with overwhelming State violence and bring about their own demise. They are using “brute force” … the wrong approach. All citizens should disarm and rely on Gandhian satyagraha (“soul force”).

  266. asoka. September 22, 2011 at 5:02 pm #

    ProCon, NumbersUSA?
    Support ACLU.
    Protect immigrants. Immigrants are the soul of America.
    I do not believe you are a racist ProCon, but your constant focus on USA immigrants is worrisome.
    I agree completely when you focus on lowering the GLOBAL population. Unfortunately, opposing USA immigration (which side of an imaginary line people choose to be on) does nothing to reduce GLOBAL population.
    I hope you did see my public apology for calling you a racist. I honor your word and accept your claim that you are not racist. I hope you accept my apology.

  267. k-dog September 22, 2011 at 5:08 pm #

    The DOW did not go up today.
    “Stock markets around the world tumbled on fears that U.S. and European policymakers may have run out of measures to stop the global economy from entering recession. The Dow Jones industrial average closed Thursday down 391.01 points, or 3.5%, to 10,733.83. The broader Standard & Poor’s 500 index was down 37.18 points, or 3.2%, to 1,129.58.”

    These are certainly hard numbers to loath. If anybody can find anything but CFN doomster pessimism here I’d be happy if they posted what they see.

  268. asoka. September 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm #

    k-dog, I did not say the DOW went up today. Here is what I said:

    For example, if the DOW goes up you will be told not to confuse Wall Street with Main Street. Well, now the DOW is going down, so we shouldn’t worry, right?

    You think the DOW going down is bad news? You think what the DOW does is a cause for pessimism? Are you heavily invested in Wall Street? Even if your answer to all those questions is “yes,” your pessimism is greatly exaggerated. The United States is strong. The United States is not broke. We just need to change our priorities and we will be fine. Congress is working on that right now.

  269. San Jose Mom 51 September 22, 2011 at 5:19 pm #

    This won’t cheer anyone. Leo Apotheker, ousted president of HP, is getting $35 million for doing a lousy job for a mere 11 months.
    According to the NY Times, when the board hired him last summer, no one on the board met with him personally–beyond the group of four on the search committee. They apparently were all worn out after haggling out Herd’s firing and they didn’t have the energy to actually get around to meet the guy.
    I can’t believe this is the same company I worked for in the early eighties.

  270. Qshtik September 22, 2011 at 5:21 pm #

    Time will only tell.
    Should be:
    Only time will tell.

  271. San Jose Mom 51 September 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

    OH I am sure congress will fix everything! You are NOT invited to my pity party! 🙂

  272. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

    After Babylon was taken, its People kept partying on – not even knowing that their city had fallen. Americans will keep on Americaning untill the blow falls. Another analogy: People who go out to watch the waves during a hurricane and are taken by the same.
    YOU haven’t seen anything come to pass in ALL your fifty years. My Ex-Boss talked the same way about Oil, as if he was an Ancient who have lived for centuries and seen civilizations rise and fall. But as I told him, if we had listened to President Carter, we’d be a lot better off now. And America is going down in lots of other ways, crime, infrastructure, dumbing down of the kids, break down of the family, mass immigration and the strain on social serivices, etc. All these things came on slowly – most of them were too gradual for him to notice how they were changing America. And thus since he hadn’t really seen them lately, he didn’t realize they were accelerating and our decay with them.
    Fifty years isn’t that long a time to begin with -in a stable society. And most people stopped really observing a long time ago. Tear down a house and people will know something has changed but they wont know what because they never really saw it. Fifty years from now will be a long time NOW because the rate of change is going to be so fast. But alot of people still wont notice it.

  273. anti soak September 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

    Y2K meltdown 11 years ago.
    ………..well due to alot of $ spent it didnt happen…only because of the ‘ grey heads’.
    There were many more.
    ..are there?
    Thing is, none of them ever materialized!…..YET
    OTHER THINGS, ..poverty is at a 50 year high yet the floodgates are still wide open.
    Jim wrote TLE 7 years ago. There are no gas lines…………………. YET
    Old ladies are not freezing to death en masse inside their homes in winter. …YET
    I can drive to a gas station right now and fill up my truck. …
    Yr post sounds like ‘What me worry’!

  274. anti soak September 22, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    Post-Patriot Act, with increased spending on SWAT-team type police forces, I dont foresee any kind of violent civil unrest that would be successful……………..
    Unless those Citizens decide they wont shoot their own.
    It was your Democrats who voted it in…how many of either party did not vote for it?

  275. budizwiser September 22, 2011 at 8:07 pm #

    I live in an urban area that has “street parking.”
    I could ride a bicycle up and down, block after block and look at passenger vehicles that started and driven almost every day.
    I wonder, if I had camera, how long it would take to count 1000 vehicles.
    I wonder, how many blocks, there are in how many cities. in how many states that are used every day.
    Changes are coming. And I doubt they will be managed.

  276. DeeJones September 22, 2011 at 8:39 pm #

    I just have to comment to JHK that after FINALLY getting around to banning spam posters, some of your other ‘bannings’ seem kinda odd. Perhaps is an over broad IP ban that is blocking certain posters.
    It would be nice if you would post a Rules at the top stating what will get one banned, like other boards do.
    In a way, I also wished you could have posted tsa-tsa’s email so we could get a little revenge spaming them back. But I see why you cant.
    Anyway, I hope the dialog improves here, and some posters come back (and other go away Vlad!).

  277. BeantownBill September 22, 2011 at 11:33 pm #

    The Earth is a sphere of finite volume; therefore the amount of oil contained within it is finite, too. No one knows how much oil the Earth has, but since oil is being used, it has to run out eventually, and at some point in time peak oil is reached. This is not an opinion, but a logical certainty. The issue is when, and no one knows.
    The only sane option is to try to conserve oil as much as possible, knowing that someday there won’t be any left in the Earth. Unfortunately, humanity has a major streak of insanity running through it.
    Look at some of the insane things humans have already done:
    It’s possible, maybe even probable, that we are entering a period of global warming. The sane thing to do is to act in a way to minimize the effect – at least until we are sure that it’s a fact. If global warming is really occurring, then minimizing may prevent our extinction; if there’s no global warming, then no harm done.
    Since the Earth is finite, the amount of people that the Earth can sustain is finite, too. This is a logical fact. Since we are breeding faster than people are dying, our population has been continuously increasing. The only sane course of action is to stop breeding faster than people die off – until we can determine the maximum sustainable human population, which no one now knows with certainty.
    Many other examples of human insanity exist, but I’m too lazy to list them. I’ve realized for a long time, that as a group, humanity is just plain nuts. That makes me sad, because I see many wonderful individuals.

  278. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 11:46 pm #

    Women are always for the shutting down of free speech. You are merely typical. The more power Women get, the more mundane, stodgy, and depressed things become. Women want security. That’s alright, but it’s Men who should give it them – not Goverment. Does this mean Men are superior (on average) to Women? Oh yes.
    “Woman is the lesser Man,
    And her passion matched with mine,
    Is like moonlight unto sunlight,
    And water unto wine.”

  279. Vlad Krandz September 22, 2011 at 11:56 pm #

    That’s my point to this person: it’s coming, coming, coming but when? It’s an old debate, epitomized by the debate between the gradual and sudden schools of Zen. Rinzai said Enlightenment was sudden – like the bottom of a water bucket falling out. Soto said it was gradual, a matter of the build up of concentration, stillness and virtue, graduallying morphing into a very likeness of the Buddha. These two viewpoints are not incompatible.
    Or consider the gradual vs mutation in Evolution.
    This person doesn’t believe in Enlightenment or Orgasm – just foreplay. The Dome in New Orleans was full on hard core. How many of those people ever thought they’d be starring in a Disaster Porn movie?

  280. Mark_BC September 23, 2011 at 12:15 am #

    Whether America is broke or not depends on whether you believe it still has its gold. There are few people that know the actual status of that.
    In terms of other things of value owned by America, it is indeed quite broke. Its only asset is its farmland. Manufacturing has been decimated by the currency manipulation between the Yuan and dollar. As a result, few Americans have the knowledge to build a new manufacturing base (just watch Jeopardy and note how few categories are science based, and the elementary level of the questions — but nightly Shakespeare trivia is something worth devoting your time to, you can live off of that…)
    In terms of oil, of course the USA is at a disadvantage when its whole infrastructure is designed to guzzle oil. How can that infrastructure be redeveloped for more efficient use when hardly anyone understands science and engineering?
    To those who say that a collapse is not in the cards, that somehow we will all stumble through this, you obviously didn’t pay attention to the collapse of the USSR. Russia has since recovered because unlike the USA, it has excess resources. And its people are tough, not like the wimpy McD junkies and iphone addicts of North America. Sorry, but a USSR-style collapse in LA would be catastrophic. 1 in 140 Americans are in prison. What happens when social order breaks down and they get out?
    Those who believe that a collapse is unlikely have obviously not studied population dynamics of lemmings and hares and foxes and such. “But we aren’t animals, we have technology to release us from the limits of ecology”, they’ll retort. Good luck with that one! All technology has done is allow us to extend the ponzi scheme to unprecedented precipices. Name me one food item that is not produced by the natural world, and then reconcile that with the fact that we currently consume about 40% of the planet’s net primary productivity, and that level is only possible because of dwindling fossil fuel and irrigation inputs. Take away those inputs and we will quickly move to 100%.
    On a fundamental debt to GDP basis the dollar is completely worthless. Most other currencies are too but the dollar takes the cake. IMO China is the one holding all the cards, allowing this ponzi scheme to inflate for a while longer, because it’s in their best long term interest to do so. I suspect that they are withholding dumping their dollar reserves so that they can suck over as much physical gold as they can, and buy up as much of the world’s productive resources as they can while they are still cheap while and all the delusional Americans pampered with 50 years of military / central bank global intervention in their favour continue their surfing and California dreamin’. When China decides it’s time (when their domestic inflation is too high and they are forced to allow the Yuan to float), they’ll dump their dollar debt and within days the dollar will go to zero.

  281. Belisarius September 23, 2011 at 12:45 am #

    If the crude continues to flow unimpeded into the future, the Earth will become inhospitable to human civilization as we have known it that much more quickly. There are thousands of years of warming baked into the cake already.
    Can I borrow your crystal ball? Without it i see things differently.
    Earth had a spate of catastrophic Global Warming 12-11K years ago, more commonly known as the end of the ice age. World temp rose dramatically, cubic miles of ice melted and rising seas buried hundreds of cities on continental shelfs. The better known of these are in the Mediterranean and off the coasts of India and Southeast Asia. I don’t remember an accepted cause (let alone proof of cause) of that warming.
    Although weather is showing increased volitility, and weather volitility causes food production problems, I don’t think we are headed for another catastrophic temperature change. If i’m wrong, a return to cold and ice is more likely, as happened after previous inter-glacial periods.

  282. Mark_BC September 23, 2011 at 12:55 am #

    “Can I borrow your crystal ball? Without it i see things differently. ”
    History is pretty crystal clear:
    And more recent history is backing this up:

  283. ctemple September 23, 2011 at 1:03 am #

    It’s hard to figure why who gets banned on here, I could never understand why progressoconserve got banned, to me who was one of the most reasonable of the regular writers. Of course that’s not saying much. The main people who needed banned were spider, and that little creep who name called everybody on Monday, Fabian, tootsie, Curley joe whatever.
    It looks to me as though many of the people on here really are incapable of understanding what anyone else is actually saying, they have a conditioned reponse, and anybody who doesn’t agree with them or isn’t like them is wrong.
    And it’s very difficult to say anything to them because the name calling and the shit starts immediately.
    I would think that Jim would get very irritated by it.

  284. Belisarius September 23, 2011 at 2:12 am #

    All good data. What is your point? Perhaps you missed mine.
    The massive catastrophic (to humans) heating that started this interglacial began in a period of low CO2, therefore CO2 did not cause the warming. Most of the icemelt happened in a time of lower CO2. In fact, the CO2 increase followed the warming. The Ocean temp data seems to show peaking of temp rather than continued warming, but that peak temp is unsurprisingly warm enough to contribute to summer icemelt in the Artic.
    The current warming seems to have stalled, (unless you’re in Texas!) at a high level, despite continued rapid increase in the CO2. This suggests that the CO2 increase is not significantly related to the warming.
    I expect mild to significant cooling after the current solar cycle peak in 2012-13. If that cooling happens, (probably obvious by 2016) and CO2 continues to rise, that will disprove the CO2 hypothesis.

  285. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 2:17 am #

    Ain’t that the Fickle Finger of Fate?

  286. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 2:44 am #

    Whew! Well, that’s one less bell to answer.

  287. Mark_BC September 23, 2011 at 2:45 am #

    “the CO2 increase followed the warming.”
    Ahh yes, the, “but temperature leads CO2” argument. Yes, you are (partly) right. What actually happens is that they exist in positive feedback relationships, or in other words, they both lead each other.
    Ice ages are for the most part caused by Milankovitch cycles, or long term wobbles in the planet’s orbit which expose either the northern or southern hemisphere to more or less sunlight. Since the northern hemisphere contains more land than the southern, this impacts the planetary heat budget.
    What happens is that we get quasi-equilibria between the ice ages and inter-ice ages due to the feedback effects between greenhouse gases, temperature, and albedo from ice. The planet gets “stuck” in a certain relatively stable spot for a while until the wobble-induced solar forcing causes a shift to occur. The rubber band snaps and a major climate shifts happen, with both CO2 and temperature going up in essentially tandem form, reinforcing each other. That’s why you see the sharp spikes in the previous graph I posted — you wouldn’t get such a sharp spike if it was simply one factor leading the other. Then a new “equilibrium” is reached for a while until the orbital forcing again pulls it the other way at some future point.
    For the last 4 billion years the CO2 level has been steadily decreasing overall through these cycles, and is now much lower than it was way back then. All that CO2 has been tied up in the ground as fossil fuels, which we are now liberating again. But the problem is that over this same few billion years, the sun has been getting proportionally hotter as well. These two things tended to offset each other, so that Earth has maintained a relatively stable temperature over its history, with regular minor cycles in and out of ice ages. How it maintains this “intelligent” ability to regulate its own temperature? Who knows, throw in your Gaia explanations if you want, but that is the way it has happened, and unfortunately we have totally messed up a 3 billion year old system in the making.

  288. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 3:01 am #

    I’ll bet at least ten of them read for one.

  289. Eleuthero September 23, 2011 at 7:04 am #

    SJM said:
    This won’t cheer anyone. Leo Apotheker, ousted president of HP, is getting $35 million for doing a lousy job for a mere 11 months.
    I look at stuff like this in the context of a
    larger trend toward regarding sociopathy as
    “realpolitik” … shrewd, informed realism.
    You can even see this is teens and 20-somethings
    because, for example, smoking rates in kids have
    sharply INCREASED in the last decade, especially
    among girls. More and more, it’s very popular
    to be “bad” in order to feel socially empowered.
    It doesn’t stop with smoking. Have you noticed
    that male fashion now has the PRISON YARD LOOK
    as the most sexy look … the same damned ’round
    the mouth goatee, shaved head, and, of course,
    a Raider’s jacket and probably multiple tats and
    Discos play virtually nothing BUT hip-hop which
    is a horrid form of anti-music featuring nothing
    but a lot of vile language (that cannot be
    understood) and the ever-present beatbox.
    Hip-hop is a DEATH CULT which is why it’s no
    surprise that hip-hop concerts often feature
    stabbings, murders, and generally bad decorum.
    So … I claim that given an incompetent doofus
    $35 million for running HP into the ground is
    just the same old idea but in much older adults.
    Whereas such deals would have been hush-hush a
    few decades ago, embezzlement and kleptomania
    have joined vanity and vulgarity in our
    civilization’s pact with Thanatos … the God
    of Death.

  290. lbendet September 23, 2011 at 8:23 am #

    I’ve been saying that we as a species has embraced Thanatos over Eros. Could be exactly what JHK said in his post, as things start to fall apart, we become more detatched from reality. What a tragedy for all of us that the leadership in this country, those in the highest eschelons are responding to the challenges in this way.
    The Kleptocracy starts from the top down and the message is received loud and clear. Now everyone’s on the take. The Mafia craze in our popular culture really tells you something.
    I knew something was very wrong back in the ’80’s when companies started buying up others only to fire people to make their bottom line look better. They said they needed lean and mean operations to compete abroad.
    The Sherman Anti-trust act was all but ignored and people started losing jobs. Research areas and support areas in business had to prove themselves to be “profit centers”.
    The arguments for some of the most ridiculous notions, such as don’t tax business and they will hire Americans gets played over and over again against the slave labor in the BRIC countries. Everyone knows this isn’t true–so it’s not surprising that they see t he world with a jaundice eye. The whole business model globally is a complete inversion of logic. None of this is surprising–it’s been going on for decades. In 2008 it hit critical mass and now it’s falling apart.
    Obama made some bad choices for advisors. I wrote him and begged him not to put in the Clintonistas like the misogynist Larry Summers–a Milton Friedman acolyte if ever there was one.
    What good is “brilliance” and “talent” when the economic philosophical construct is a disaster?

  291. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 9:30 am #

    This is the best post you have written in a while, Vlad – on the nature of slow and gradual change being unnoticeable. And you are more of an optimist than I would have imagined.
    “Fifty years from now will be a long time NOW because the rate of change is going to be so fast. But alot of people still wont notice…”
    I wish you were correct. But I keep working the math. The world runs out of oil in 42 years – at which point the population of the US will be 430,000,000, mostly desperate, people.
    I believe anyone fortunate? enough to still be alive, under those circumstances – will notice some nasty changes.
    And they will likely curse all of us – young, old, rich, poor, black, white – who allowed these things to come to pass, in the formerly United States of A.
    E is correct – we are making a pack with Thanatos.
    Full payment has not come due – yet.

  292. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 9:33 am #


  293. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 10:07 am #

    “I do not believe you are a racist ProCon, but your constant focus on USA immigrants is worrisome.”
    Worrisome, you say? That’s a loaded word.
    Look, a, you didn’t just call me “racist” once, in the heat of the moment. You did it repeatedly purposefully, over a period of weeks.
    Why would you do this?
    1. To win an argument?
    2. Because you believe everyone against immigration is “racist?”
    3. Because everyone who disagrees with you is a racist?”
    4. Because words, logic, and life mean nothing at all to you?
    So, sorry – but the amount of forgiveness in my spirit is as logically finite as those fossil fuel resources in BTBill’s excellent post, above.
    And you, asoka., have already used up more than your share.

  294. budizwiser September 23, 2011 at 12:23 pm #

    Isn’t the correct metaphor for the “long emergency” supposed to be the ship Titanic?
    The masters of the ship know they are in a floating ice field but figure the ship is invincible. And needlessly alarming the passengers is forbidden.
    And even after the ship hits an iceberg (’73 oil embargo’) they go about keeping the music playing and delay any abandon ship ideas? Again, they pretend that the ship’s system can be managed and the ship remain unsinkable using their new bulk head technologies.
    Would the outcome of the ship’s passengers been different if all alarms were heeded and rescue operations requested immediately?
    Can anyone contact MR Yergin and ask him when he will send the first SOS? Do we keep playing music for 15 years, 30 years, 42 years?
    I guess we should all feel better knowing that “learned” masters of our world know about the ice field but think it is 42 years away.
    It’s interesting that the WSJ didn’t see a need to republish the Hirsch report…….. or any other perspectives.

  295. anti soak September 23, 2011 at 12:30 pm #

    Tattoos for white males and jail for black males.
    Gangster rap is worse than HH, and yes HH is horrible ghetto fication [cough]music.
    Have you seen the way people dance at dance clubs to HH?

  296. anti soak September 23, 2011 at 12:35 pm #

    I assume most in prison are there for drugs. US already has 100?i sanctuary cites, I am more concerned about such dangerous policy.
    ‘Those who believe that a collapse is unlikely have obviously not studied population dynamics of lemmings and hares and foxes and such.’
    I know of not one college prof who warns his students of the real consequences of US immigration policy…its already a disaster 46 years on.

  297. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

    That’s a good point about The Hirsch Report, Budwizer.
    The WSJ, about once a year, devotes an entire section to energy issues. Peak oil come up, but is usually is dismissed out of hand. They even poke fun at it a little, as Yergin did last week.

  298. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 12:40 pm #

    “Peak oil comeS up …”

  299. San Jose Mom 51 September 23, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

    Even though adults are supposed to be in charge of high school dances, they either have no sense of what is appropriate, or they simply don’t care.
    My daughter, who is now a HS junior, went to the first high school dance when she was a freshman. She bought a pretty dress for the occasion. She was sickened by the lyrics of the music. But even worse, the way the kids were dancing was almost obscene. The dance style is called “grinding” and basically, the couple rub their private parts against each other. My daughter says they even do it doggie style.
    My sense is that she doesn’t feel safe. If some guy she barely knows asks her to dance/grind its going to feel/look like a sexual assault to her. Aren’t adults supposed to provide the structure for a safe environment?
    This morning I was dropping my daughter off at school. A girl crossing the street was dressed in thrashed black hosery, a black mini-dress that she was constantly tugging at because it was too small, green hair and a plaid man’s flannel shirt–all this on a 200 lb. frame. Where is her mother? She looked like a $5 whore who lives in trailer down by the river.

  300. lbendet September 23, 2011 at 12:59 pm #

    re Yergin:
    Who owns WSJ? Why it’s Ruppert Murdoch,that’s who.
    Since when does this man care about truth? I heard recently that many people left WSJ because they didn’t want to work under an agenda instead of reporting, ya know the good old fashioned way.
    With an economy like this, we need a gold rush big time that lots of people can participate in. Not everyone’s going to take to the hills in Calif. to see if any gold was left behind in the 1800’s. (Even the price of gold is being artificially kept low.)
    So here’s a new gambit to play on the old stock market–since it’s the only game in town. Goldman Sachs is waiting…
    Bubbles anyone?

  301. george September 23, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is addressing the United Nations on live tv as I write and I can’t help feeling a bit of shadenfreude knowing full well when America began its’ program of “democratization” in the Middle East they had no way of knowing what kind of dangerous forces they had unleashed. Is the Middle East better off because Hosni Mubarak, Muammar Gadaffi and Hadid Bourguiba are out of the picture and the fate of those nations are in the hands of anti-American fanaticists and Islamists? Was it a good idea for Bill Clinton to force America’s greatest ally in the region, Israel, to give up land for peace? Are the Palestinians appeased now that they can freely elect their own leaders and attack Israel with their own missles anytime they feel like it? Did George Bush and his cronies foresee the sectarian violence that would emerge from a newly-liberated Iraq and Afghanistan? Did our leaders think the price of oil would fall back to $10 a barrel once all those pesky anti-Western dictators were replaced with democratically-elected leaders? And what of the European leaders who pushed for the creation of one Europe with a common currency and monetary policy? Looks like reality has finally given us the bitch-slap we so richly deserve.

  302. Lisa V September 23, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Does anyone know what is going on in New York?

  303. lbendet September 23, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    Yeah, Lisa V. It’s raining—hard!!
    Looking for some reality? well here’s a German Military report about peak oil that many of you will find welly interestinc!
    On Energy Bulletin is the results of a study that came out about what we are about to face in the next few years.
    [The Bundeswehr Transformation Center, the organization that prepared the study, starts with the assertion that as there are so many forces in play, it is impossible to determine an exact date for peak oil, but that it will become obvious in hindsight. The Germans also believe that it is already too late to complete a comprehensive global transition to a post fossil fuel economy. They introduce the notion of a peak oil induced economic “tipping point” that would trigger so much economic damage that it is impossible to evaluate the possible outcomes.]

  304. anti soak September 23, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    Yes SJMom….the dancing [started by blacks?]
    is Obscene………….
    And news from Texas, This is a belly laugh [pun intended]:
    It’s a tradition with roots that can be traced far back in history:
    Before being put to death, a condemned prisoner can choose his last meal.
    Not so anymore in Texas.
    Officials who oversee the country’s busiest death chamber stopped the practice on Thursday after a prominent state senator complained about a hefty request from a man executed for his role in a notorious dragging death. Now, inmates get to eat only what the kitchen serves.
    The controversy began after Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed on Wednesday for the hate crime slaying of James Byrd Jr. more than a decade ago, asked for
    two chicken fried steaks,
    a triple-meat bacon cheeseburger,
    fried okra,
    a pound of barbecue,
    three fajitas,
    a meat lover’s pizza,
    a pint of ice cream
    and a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts.
    Prison officials said Brewer didn’t eat any of it.

  305. budizwiser September 23, 2011 at 2:23 pm #

    See page eight – predictions from way back when things were fine……
    Every citizen of the US should have read this document by now – and keep in mind this information was submitted to congress.
    How has the SS Titanic mitigated these distant dangers so far -I mean other than spend a trillion off budget in the mid-east…..

  306. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 2:32 pm #

    “She looks like a $5 whore who lives in a trailer down by the river”
    She probably is!

  307. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Get your daughter out of public schools if you can.
    That’s my advice.
    — WideSpreadPanic

  308. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm #

    “Even though adults are supposed to be in charge of high school dances, they either have no sense of what is appropriate, or they simply don’t care.”
    It’s not that they don’t care, they don’t want to get shot.

  309. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

    Prison officials said Brewer didn’t eat any of it.
    Imminent execution is almost guaranteed to curb your appetite … although there are no doubt some who’d hate the thought of going to their grave on an empty stomach.

  310. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    It’s funny,Q. I have given the “last meal” courtesy some thought. Since my religion allows for cannibalism (plenty of it going around these days), my last meal would be the Governor.

  311. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm #

    in the hands of anti-American fanaticists and Islamists?
    You’re trying to be too fancy. A simple fanatics will do. There is no such word as fanaticists.

  312. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    my last meal would be the Governor.
    Back in the day there was a joke that when given a final request before execution the prisoner would say “I want to take the 30 day Camel test.”

  313. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    I’m so there. Some dining music?

  314. Vlad Krandz September 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm #

    Oh now I see why Asia felt betrayed and came down on me. I guess I stepped out of character and world view to make a psychological point about human pereception. But no, I’m no pollyanna and the rate of change is such now that alot of people are begining to notice. And fifty years from now we may well be in dire straits. Five hundred years from now, people may live near the ruins of our Great Cities and speak of the White Gods that built them and how they fell. Hopefully some Whites will be able to keep something better going in parts of old America and Europe.

  315. Vlad Krandz September 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm #

    What about Coal? Surely we have enough of that dirty as it may be. Coal is the poor man’s oil since pound for pound it contains less Ancient Sunshine.

  316. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 5:04 pm #

    Speaking of pact, in the song “I’ll Be There” Michael Jackson sings “You and I must make a pack, we must bring salvation back.” Whenever I hear it the hair stands up on the bact of my nect.
    More hair would stand on end when an old boss of mine talked about the widget contrac we had with the Army. When I’d leave his office people looked at me funny and said “you’re bleeding” and I would reply “it’s from biting my lip.”

  317. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 5:04 pm #

    Intermittent homelessness has taught a lesson about our big cities. When you’re homeless, avoid them like the plague. And speaking of the plague, I wonder if the people in Europe during the Dark Ages would look at the remnants of the Roman Empire and speak of the White Gods that built it.

  318. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 5:10 pm #

    Knowing how those kinds of inaccuracies drive you m..m..mad, I’ll bet that over time you developed one of those Maynard Ferguson lip callouses.

  319. Vlad Krandz September 23, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

    Overpopulation will continue to be a problem as long as screwing is more popular than dying.

  320. Vlad Krandz September 23, 2011 at 5:33 pm #

    No but the ideal of the Roman Empire was cherished for more than a thousand years after it had ceased to have any reality in the Western Europe.
    The Natives of New Guinea worshiped the WW2 GI’s as Gods. They built imitation airstrips trying to entice the Gods to return with more “Cargo”. John Frum he come. Bring it in Joe.

  321. San Jose Mom 51 September 23, 2011 at 5:34 pm #

    I think it’s the administration’s fault. Her middle-school didn’t tolerate nasty stuff. The dances were well-lit, had 40 parent chaperones to keep the kids in line, plenty of side-games and fun contests. She attended every middle school dance because the boundaries set by the adults were strictly enforced.

  322. Vlad Krandz September 23, 2011 at 5:35 pm #

    Yes, Black Youfs are deadly to White Bums. White Kids can be bad too. Where do you go when you’re down and out?

  323. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm #

    we as a species has embraced
    a jaundice eye.
    Should be:
    have embraced
    jaundiced eye.
    And BTW regarding your remark about “the misogynist Larry Summers,” is your basis for this characterization the incident at Harvard that resulted in his firing or is his record concerning women more extensive?

  324. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 5:45 pm #

    If you’re a single male (race unimportant), there is no help and there is no where to go.

  325. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    the incident at Harvard that resulted in his firing
    The following sentence appeared in an article in Feb 2006:
    As many will remember, much of the current kerfuffle began when Summers gave a controversial speech indicating that there might be different levels of aptitude for science between men and women at the highest cognitive levels.
    Though I don’t know what specific differences there might be I am certain that there are some.

  326. CaptSpaulding September 23, 2011 at 5:53 pm #

    Bravo ProCon. Stick to your guns. I just read in the paper that 35 bodies were dumped on a major Avenue in a city in Mexico. My feelings are that if Hispanics become the dominant ethnic group in the US, that same behavior will come right across the border with them. I’d prefer to be wrong about that, but I’ll bet I’m not.

  327. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 5:53 pm #

    I can only imagine the horror of discovering that my teenage daughter has been exposed to such a social event. I would not be able to even hear of such debauchery in a public school, let alone actually witness it. Oh, there most definately would have been an incident.

  328. insufferable September 23, 2011 at 5:57 pm #

    so true….

  329. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 6:04 pm #

    Somewhere in an ad agency on Madison Avenue:
    “All right, we’re gonna have to shelve the ‘Getting more cheese into Hanukkah’ campaign. We need to focus on making dying more popular than screwing. C’mon people! Let’s hear some ideas.”

  330. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    “focus on making dying more popular than screwing..”
    -exhale and vlad-
    Sorry, guys – you’re both wrong. Dying will never be popular – not in this lifetime.
    We’ve got to make screwing much easier, and more fun, than making babies.
    In other words – Free, easy, and effective birth control is what we need. That, and probably SNAFU’s aerial application and delivery technique for same.
    Working on some coal numbers for you, Vlad.
    It’s complicated.
    SNAFU – wish you’d do some of this mathematical heavy lifting for us.

  331. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 8:00 pm #

    “Free, easy, and effective birth control is what we need.”
    Abso-freakin’-lutely. No so sure about the aerial delivery technique. That sounds like it could very easily produce unintened biological collateral damage. But, we do love our high tech solutions. Anybody know who said “The solutions of yesterday are the problems of today.”?

  332. Buck Stud September 23, 2011 at 8:03 pm #

    Vlad writes:
    ” Five hundred years from now, people may live near the ruins of our Great Cities and speak of the White Gods that built them and how they fell. ”
    You’re giving the building trades of our current “White Gods” far too much credit.

  333. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm #

    Yeah, worked on a lot of shoddy construction projects big and small. What you said is so insightful I can hardly stand it.

  334. Buck Stud September 23, 2011 at 8:18 pm #

    What destiny – can you articulate one beyond platitudes and legend?
    I was just speaking to a person who was lamenting the fact that Carbondale Colorado is now 51% Latino/a. (Carbondale is down valley from Aspen at the base of majestic and magical Mt Sopris.) Of course, he fails to acknowledge that these new arrivals, primarily from Mexico, are basically accepting the invitation of employment from the right-wing business owners he loves to defend in other political arenas.
    Capitalism without conscience degenerates into cannibalism. And the modern day purveyors of it are just carrying on a family tradition.

  335. lbendet September 23, 2011 at 8:20 pm #

    There are a number of women in the Obama administration working in economic policy who have made complaints about the way they are being treated in an offhand manner (or worse).
    I heard something to that effect this week and I remembered Summers’ speech at Harvard. That said his approach toward economics is more problematic for me than his attitudes toward women.
    I felt Obama came in with a different team including Paul Volker, who was also sidelined in favor of the guys who worked for Clinton.
    O had a chance to break some of the control of the banks and re-establish some regulations (Glass Stegall for one) and went in the wrong direction. Too bad.

  336. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm #

    “Capitalism without conscience degenerates into cannibalism …”
    Hey Buck, what does communism without conscience degenerate into? If I can remember correctly, inside Stalin’s gulags there was widespread real cannibalism on a large scale, especially in the Kolyma Siberian camps, not the allegorical cannibalism you are referring to under capitalism.

  337. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 8:39 pm #

    Personally, I’m kind of jealous of the dead in the gulags who helped their brothers endure that living hell. I am being physically and spiritually cannibalised every single fuckin’ day without actually being dead.
    MC to Zombies: “What do we want?”
    Zombies: “BRAINS!”
    MC: “When do we want them?”
    Zombies: “BRAINS!”

  338. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    OK –
    As of 2006, there were 909 billion tons of coal reserves on Earth. It is presently being dug and burned at the rate of 7 billion tons/year – giving a 130 year supply of coal, at today’s burn rate.
    Coal to liquid fuel conversion is not difficult. The Germans did it in WWII. The Chinese are doing it now. One ton of coal yields the BTU-equivalent of 3 barrels of oil.
    Let’s be generous and say that today’s oil and coal consumption rate goes flat and NEVER increases. And let’s say – again, being generous – that oil is finally 100% commercially exhausted in 42 years, 2043.
    At that point there are 615 billion tons of coal left in reserve – to be turned into liquid petroleum – for as long as it lasts.
    That remaining coal will last for approximately 20 additional years. JUST 20 MORE YEARS.
    Then fossil fuel on Earth is gone, FOREVER.
    The year is 2063. 100’s of millions of years worth of stored fossil carbon has been burned in slightly more than 200 years of human civilization.
    CO2 levels have risen to God only knows what.
    There are about 500,000,000 humans IN THE US.
    Is it time for TS to HTF, yet??
    I’m planning to check out in 2055, at age 100.
    So I guess I can still be eating and moving around just fine – courtesy of fossil carbon.
    I’ll feel sorry for those people who plan to live more than an additional 8 years, though.
    And I do hate to see the future so completely and totally sold out – by the selfish present.

  339. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 8:50 pm #

    Pretty funny stuff, Xhalor. Grim, but funny.
    — WideSpreadPanic

  340. Widespreadpanic7 September 23, 2011 at 8:54 pm #

    Hey Xhalor, you mention being “physically and spiritually cannibalized every f—-g day”, also being homeless at one time or another.
    What’s the deal? Have things been that bad for you?
    Just wondering?
    — WideSpreadPanic

  341. progress2conserve September 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm #

    BTW, my source for the above was
    Wiki is “peer reviewed” in its own manner.
    And I consider it far more reliable for research purposes than the open internet.
    And a lot of US coal is already being shipped to China. Chances are – if coal to liquid conversion goes large scale – that it will involve shipping ALL US coal to China. That way, the Chinese can make the big markup and keep the Renminbi flying forever higher against the dollar.
    And this avoids confronting BANANA in the US.
    Cool acronym, BANANA – now replacing NIMBY:
    Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything.

  342. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 9:19 pm #

    Thanks for your concern. Ah, the breathtaking highs,
    the debilitating lows. I’ll be brief. Our infallible legal system has determined that I’ve been bad. There is no forgiveness, there is no penance. You walk around forever with the Scarlet fuckin’ Letter on ya. I’ll be OK. We’ll all be OK. You’ll see.

  343. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 9:38 pm #

    “…and went in the wrong direction.”
    I find it so curious that in a tricameral legislature how all of our social ills are perrenially laid at the feet of this one individual. Well, that’s America. What a great thing that we (snicker) get to “elect” the person that rightly or wrongly, becomes the focal point of our collective animosity.

  344. Buck Stud September 23, 2011 at 9:45 pm #

    Your comment reminds me of my teenage son who never wanted to clean his room because his friend up the street ” had a dirty room too”.
    One house at a time, what do you say?

  345. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm #

    I’m planning to live to be 101.
    So…uh…ya gotta a will?

  346. Buck Stud September 23, 2011 at 10:08 pm #

    I recently asked a college professor who teaches Elementary and Secondary Education if she felt the least bit guilty engaging in the training of teachers when teaching jobs are being severely slashed. I also mentioned that many of the students she trains are going deep in debt to finance educational training for a career that simply won’t be available for many training to be a teacher. And that when school districts are laying off teachers while colleges are simultaneously pumping out teaching degrees something has to give. And that there is a name for a car salesmen whose car won’t run once it leaves the parking lot.
    She became very insulted by my last example but still offered up her rationalization: ” schools are always looking for good people.” Persisting, I asked are not the teachers being let go in a bad economy “not good people”?
    My point: there are a lot of decent hard-working people engaged in the bubble-scam and they simply look away in denial in order to preserve their piece of the pie. For now, anyway.
    But one of these days these kids are going to wake up and God help “the pensions” when that day arrives.

  347. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 10:40 pm #

    ” schools are always looking for good people.”
    So sad. I liked the part about the laid off teachers. Hey! They might have somewhere to go. The Marines are looking for a few good people too. And that’s probably the very same reason that EZ access to birth control in this country will not happen any time soon. Last man standing and all.

  348. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 10:54 pm #

    our social ills are perrenially laid…
    perennially (one are, two ennz)

  349. xhalor September 23, 2011 at 11:03 pm #

    Oh nutz. You dinged me with a spelling error. Damn dyslexic brain. I’m having problems with getting my tenses to agree. Ding me with that why doncha’. Please.

  350. anti soak September 23, 2011 at 11:10 pm #

    I read 20,000 and rising.
    Also a group need not be majority [51%]
    to be dominant, Vlad goes on about whites ceding power to minorities [49% or less].
    Look at how powerful Jews are in the USA, at 3% [?] of our population.
    The media spins things to make US look safe.
    I recall long ago an article in Readers Digest about the huge US crime wave the Marelitos caused in the US.
    Didnt read that anywhere else.
    Look at MS13 now…and sanctuary cities.

  351. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 11:26 pm #

    So you label Summers a misogynist because you heard someone say he treated women in an offhand manner.
    BTW, this is in no way intended to denigrate women but as I have stated repeatedly here and elsewhere: men and women are so different they may as well be different species.

  352. Qshtik September 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm #

    And let’s say … that oil is finally 100% commercially exhausted in 42 years, 2043.
    Uh, I was never very good at math but uh, let’s see:
    2011 + 42 = 2053.
    Also, what is the difference between commercially exhausted and just plain old exhausted?

  353. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 12:07 am #

    Commercially Exhausted. Hmmm. Sounds like an unneccessary adjective used for authoriative emphasis. OK,Q. I agree to let you correct my spelling without any written grief after the fact. EXCEPT when I am taking OBVIOUS liberties. You have been very liberal with me in that regard. I trust your judgement. See. You stupid politicians. In this forum our writing is our ego. Compromise, man, compromise. Kool?

  354. Qshtik September 24, 2011 at 12:33 am #

    the PRISON YARD LOOK … the same damned ’round
    the mouth goatee, shaved head, and, of course,
    a Raider’s jacket and probably multiple tats and
    Ahh man, WTF, I LOVE that look.

  355. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 12:55 am #

    Thank you for commenting on that first. I would ask, if you’ve never spent time in a prison yard, what do you really know about the PRISON YARD LOOK. I can assure you, there is no fashion in prison. Tats and piercings? You don’t have to be in prison to see that. Raider’s jacket? There’s probably an innocent ten year old boy in Oakland that would take exception to that. Shaved head? Common. So you don’t get a big hunk of your hair yanked out in fight. I understand it’s pretty painful. ‘Round the mouth goatee. I saved that for last because I’m personally sporting that fashion statement. I feel so ashamed (not). If it’s any consolation, I definitely have my father’s mustache.

  356. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 1:22 am #

    Almost forgot. Hey! It’s Friday night. Got other things on my mind. In reference to the “round the mouth goatee”; that particular style of men’s facial hair has traditionally been called the “Van Dyke”. It’s been around awhile. A long while.

  357. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 5:56 am #

    Hey Vlad!
    This is not a reply to the referenced post. Tonight is a special night. My brother and I bought our favorite Czech lager at the same time.
    Also, I would like to apologize for not coming to your defense sooner.
    WTF? I thought this was an open forum. And it’s not that I don’t think that some posters should be blanked. Christ on a Ritz Cracker. Here’s the opinion. Two primary candidates:
    * The recent infection of incomprehensible
    * Spyder (and it’s various genetic mutations).
    I’m convinced that this person’s
    (or computer’s) disorder is a Public Mental
    Health Threat.
    Much worse than my own trivial affliction.
    I keep hearing these crys of banishment. Banished to where? Reality?
    Because you said something “offensive”.
    Let’s get something straight.
    I’m an accomplished dick.
    And you would like to be one too.
    But you’re not quite there, so, we’re still competing.
    And that’s why you can’t leave here.
    Affectionately Yours,
    Manfred von Richthofen

  358. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 8:24 am #

    The education issue is an interesting one. We have two opposites happening at the same time. On the one hand the globalist meme is get a higher education so you can compete with the third world.
    Only you can’t because everything is being manufactured elsewhere with cheap labor and currency differentials that will keep everything offshore. There’s way too much money to be made by a few with deep pockets to change that. So even the R&D will take place elsewhere.
    There may be a few individuals who can innovate here, but that really isn’t a large enough sector to create mass employment in t he US.
    At the same time, budgets are being cut and we have people who don’t want to fund education or fund grants for higher education.
    No wonder you find a teacher who is living in a past paradigm. It takes a long time for the conditions we discuss here to become real for everyone. It’s the same as saying that the depression is already here for many Americans, but not for all.

  359. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 8:28 am #

    Give it up already. Summers has a reputation for being a misogynist and you’re only trying to bait me, here.
    I am finished with this meal, but if you insist, perhaps we’ll save you a place next to Summers at that table.

  360. progress2conserve September 24, 2011 at 8:39 am #

    2043 –
    OK, Q, you got me. And the hell of it is that I was using a calculator when I lost those ten years.
    So we are out of oil* in 2053 and out of coal in 2073. Does that make future generations, if any, regard us as less greedy and selfish? No.
    *I will stand by the term “commercially extractable” oil, though. Look back at the Yergin article Budizwizer posted. Yergin says there are 5 trillion (+/-; I’m in a hurry and making a guess) barrels of oil in the ground, of which 1.4 trillion are proven or probable reserves. There will always be oil in the ground – somewhere. That’s probably one reason that oil reserves – and years to depletion – cause so much confusion.
    Of course, some of the confusion is deliberate, on the part of those rascally PTB.

  361. Widespreadpanic7 September 24, 2011 at 8:57 am #

    Even tho I’ve read most of JHKs books over the years I just found out about this site ’bout a month ago.
    I was told it as a ‘peak oil’ site; initially I didn’t see much on here about peak oil or energy issues. Just a lot of political stuff.
    This weeks thread changed that. Sure enough its a site about peak oil & energy depletion. Lots of interesting and informed people here that give me an excuse to hang around.

  362. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 8:57 am #

    “I keep hearing these crys of banishment.”
    With apologies to Q, I must correct. Try “cries of banishment”. The “i” has it.

  363. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    In lieu of peak oil, I mentioned yesterday that Energy Bulletin has an article by Tom Whipple concerning a study on peak oil done by the German military.
    They seem to think that 2012 and 2015 are years when we run out of surpluses and global shortfall in oil production.
    I cannot post the site, but it was a 9/22 post.
    Really a good post, check it out.

  364. budizwiser September 24, 2011 at 10:50 am #

    Google forces a translate request..

  365. Qshtik September 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm #

    Summers has a reputation for being a misogynist and you’re only trying to bait me
    Bait shmait. The question is: why does he have this reputation. So far all you’ve offered is “you heard someone say he treated women in an offhand manner.” My last boss, for the final 8 years of my working career, treated ME in an offhand manner all day every day. I challenge you to find me an adult anywhere who has not been treated by a boss in an offhand manner.
    I thought Summers’ infamous speech at Harvard was one of the most reasonable things I’d ever heard from a big wig. (I just smiled at the flap it caused.) It was also amazingly politically incorrect which raised the man’s stature immensely in my view. Think about it … other than Ron Paul what public person would speak his mind like this?

  366. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 12:55 pm #

    Ha, Q
    You obviously accept Mr. Summers’ opinion, so enough said on the subject.
    One person’s prize in another person’s poison.
    I would not compare your situation with your former boss with the marginalization of these women chosen by Obama in the same breath.
    That explains why you just won’t let this go. I will give you the last word, since you are digging yourself into a hole.

  367. Buck Stud September 24, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    Would that be Anthony van Dyck?

  368. Buck Stud September 24, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    Good post. And I noticed the opening lines of this weeks JHK post which read:
    “This much can be stated categorically about the USA these days: the more distressed our economy gets, the more delusional thinking you will encounter.”
    I believe this is what we’re discussing…and it’s good to be “on-topic” 🙂

  369. Qshtik September 24, 2011 at 2:21 pm #

    Still………… other than the undefined “offhand manner” not one word of support for the label “misogynist.” Apparently you feel whatever you say should be accepted without challenge.
    I wonder what male economic policy folks selected by Obama have to say about how Summers treated them … perhaps not merely in an offhand manner but “like shit.” Then we could say Summers is not only a misogynist but a misandrist.
    This is what I agree with: “that there might be different levels of aptitude for science between men and women at the highest cognitive levels.” Those are Summers’ words according to the Wiki blurb I read.
    Do you think it is unreasonable to believe “there might be different levels of aptitude for science between men and women at the highest cognitive levels” or do you merely think it’s an awful thing to express such a belief publicly? Or…. do you believe there positively is not, or it is highly unlikely that there is, a difference between men and women … etc etc?
    I notice when confronted with a very reasonable challenge (i.e. to tell me why you label Summers a “misogynist.”) you are anxious that I drop the subject (let it go, give it up). You seem to be saying “What the hell Q, everybody but you knows Summers is a misogynist.”
    The proper response from you to this comment should be “other than hearsay I have no proof that Larry Summers is a misogynist.”

  370. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 2:23 pm #

    Thank You Bud and Buck
    If you google Energy Bulletin you can find the article from yesterday when you scroll down. It’s by Tom Whipple and is in English.
    At least some are not in denial. I’m sure our military knows all about this too, they’re just not saying.
    National security could be a good excuse for not discussing anything.

  371. Buck Stud September 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    Speaking of whistling past the graveyard, my neighbor’s nephews – two young adults 27 and 33, one unemployed; the other an unwed father – borrowed their mom’s car to make a cross-country trek in order to view a cage match fighting event – a rather expensive spectacle, or so I understand. My neighbor ( their aunt) is putting them up for free, but I am told they are being very stingy with the food they buy and cook, to the point of almost hiding it. My neighbor is overlooking their bad manners because she figures “they’re short on cash”. ( I didn’t ask why they were wasting what little money they have on a cross-country trek to watch a cage match event). But even more bizarre, they spend money on range fed ‘organic’ meat and other expensive health food items and then finish their meal by lighting up a couple of Camels washed down with throaty swigs of Red Bull. They hate Obama and my neighbor inferred the reason he remains unwed is because “she thinks they get more state assistance” that way.
    But to see their eyes light up and “round-the- mouth-goatees” animate describing the adrenaline of the arena and ” water bottles vibrating” as the fighters enter the ring to the sounds of Death Metal rock music. I said it sounds like the spirit of fascism on the march and they just gave each other a clueless look. I rather doubt these two and many others like them will ever figure out ‘TPTB’ scam.

  372. Widespreadpanic7 September 24, 2011 at 2:56 pm #

    Good story, Buck. That pretty much sums it up. Florida is full of dudes like that.
    I’m left with one question: What about their ‘Tatts”? I’m sure they’re rad.
    Those cage matches are just one small step away from death matches. It won’t be long. Look for it on Spike TV.

  373. wagelaborer September 24, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

    So how did your daughter feel about being groped at the airport on the way to Greece?
    Americans spend so much time teaching their children about “bad touches”, go hysterical if perverts move into the neighborhood and then allow TSA goons to have their way with us and our kids.

  374. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

    Q is clearly on a mission right now. I see that he’s taken on assistant. Dammit.

  375. wagelaborer September 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm #

    I’m sitting in the train station in Chicago, and there’s a man talking about how he lived in a cave with his family during the last Depression.
    My mom also lived up in the hills for a time during the last Great Depression. Her mom and dad were panning for gold.
    They must have found some, because my grandma had a little bottle of it that she showed to me when I was a kid.
    By the way, we walked downtown Chicago and there are some kids occupying the street in front of the Chicago Federal Reserve Board, across the street from the Chicago Board of Trade.
    Well, good for them. I’ve been out of the news loop for the week, but isn’t Wall Street also being occupied?

  376. xhalor September 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    I honestly don’t know. It’s just one of the memory locations in the “Common Knowledge” part of my lager-addled brain. Ugh. Saturday morning.

  377. anti soak September 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    MMA gets bigger and BIGGER!!!!
    Boy o boy the blood sport..wow
    Do yr Dudes FB [thats facebook buddy]…
    Where are they from?
    25% of the country is unemployed so statistically
    they are close to normal, at least in that respect…I assume they are white..maybe Vlad can meet them and convert them.

  378. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 3:39 pm #

    Oh Q,
    I don’t think it’s awful to say anything. I judge each organism as something separate. If you are trying to say that male hormones shape the brain in spacial relationships and math, I don’t know that it’s anything but theory.
    I would say that in any given population you will find women who are outstanding min math and men who are.
    Then there are those who excel verbally and in some case there are those who are blessed with both “talents”.
    I am not in position to make a judgment, as I have done little reading on the subject.
    You keep wanting me to prove my point with specifics, but I’m a person who looks at patterns. That’s how I am informed with the world, trends and where we are going. I have an excellent memory and I go with my gut impressions. See I’m not afraid of what you think of my summation of Summers.
    In the case of Summers, I’d say he set himself up to be seen in the way I see him. My guess is he really doesn’t care what I call him and neither should you.

  379. anti soak September 24, 2011 at 3:39 pm #

    Wow………..what a macabre IDEA
    With all the killings in China it would be legalized there………..
    USE FALUN GUNG….like they did for the corpse exhibit that wowed the free world a few years back..
    dead falun gung..what was that freak show called?

  380. lbendet September 24, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Going out will not be back till tomorrow–no interest in discussing any further.

  381. wagelaborer September 24, 2011 at 3:46 pm #

    Actually, that behavior went the other way across the border.
    After the 1911 revolution, Americans were not allowed to own property in Mexico. We could visit, but weren’t encouraged to stay.
    Slowly, Americans crept back into Mexico, and with NAFTA in 1994, it was on.
    Since then, Mexicans have experienced increasing poverty and peasants have been thrown off their lands.
    Now the US military is “helping” Mexico “fight” the druglords, which usually means taking sides with one and killing the others (same thing goes on in Afghanistan and Columbia, now, and in Laos and other places in the past).
    The US supplies the weapons for the fighting and in Operation Fast and Furious, they were pushing automatic weapons on the Mexicans.
    Wherever the US military goes, dead bodies pile up.
    To blame it on Mexican temperament is adding insult to injury.

  382. Vlad Krandz September 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm #

    I agree Buck: Capitalism destroys Nations if not restrained and guided. Let’s take a few states like Montana or Wyoming – White, Empty, and Cold and put a sign that says, “Whites Only”. Get out of the way cuz they would be swarmed with millions of refugees from the rest of America and Western Europe. They would become economic powerhouses even without access to the ocean.
    Do you really want to solve unemployment? Kick out the Illegals and tens of millions of jobs are freed up. Why has no one thought of this? Because it’s unrealistic. And it’s unrealistic because we’re ruled by cowards without vision.

  383. wagelaborer September 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm #

    The meme that kids have to have a college education to get a good-paying job is used to keep tuition coming into college coffers and to scam the kids into borrowing money to help the bankers.
    This country allows bankers to prey upon its children, as it allows TSA goons to prey upon us all.
    Student debt is now more than credit card debt, and bankrupcty won’t help the kids, they still will owe their college loans.
    It’s pretty disgusting.
    The US should lower the retirement age to help free up employnment opportunities for kids, paying for it by taxing Social Security for all income, not just income over $106,000.
    Instead, the bankers are scheming to get their hands on the Social Security funds. Apparently the 401K scam isn’t enough to quell their greed.

  384. wagelaborer September 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm #

    Why yes, lbendet, testosterone acts directly on the brain to help with addition and subtraction. And anyone who says otherwise is a feminazi.
    Summers went to the former USSR to “help” them transition to capitalism.
    14 million Russians died in that decade (the 1990s).
    So, misogny is the least of the labels we can apply the Summers.

  385. Vlad Krandz September 24, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    The purpose of Fast and Furious was to indict the American Gun Industry and to further diminsh our Second Amendment Rights. The disarming of Americans ranks very high on the Agenda of the Globalists and has been mentioned explicitly by the United Nations.
    Mexico has a love affair with Death and Violence. All their folk heroes are Criminals. Now that Libya has fallen, evidently they are your new Love.

  386. Vlad Krandz September 24, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    No, that’s just wrong. It’s not all even stephen equal. Men are better at Math and Science and Women at Language. And more Women are of average IQ while more Men are at the extremes of high and low. There is no argument about any of this – it’s old and established knowledge. It’s just that Women don’t like it.

  387. Widespreadpanic7 September 24, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    Ya, the dudes I know into MMA sport outrageous tattoos and mostly shaved heads. Its quite a look! A little intimidating, to say the least. In the fights themselves the combatants resemble nothing less than ferocious insects having at each other (Wasp vs. Spider) (if indeed a spider is officially an insect.) Really an unfortunate development in the evolution of sports and boxing, and a complete repudiation of the Queensbury Rules that made boxing acceptable to polite society.

  388. Qshtik September 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm #

    You’re busted Lbend.
    You have used an unkind label on someone with no justification other than your gut feel and you have tried to pass it off on the readership here as if “everyone knows that.”
    What you say about men’s and women’s math and verbal skills is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is free speech – whether Larry Summers can publicly speculate about women’s abilities in the sciences (especially given the fact that he used the word “might” not the word “is”) without being labeled a misogynist and being fired from his job. It’s about political correctness run rampant.
    You have tried mightily to dodge the true issue and have failed.
    Time for me now to declare victory in this mini-debate and return to spelling, grammar and punctuation before I am accused of flogging a dead mule.

  389. myrtlemay September 24, 2011 at 6:58 pm #

    It’s kinda sick, really. We always go for the guy who we think we’ll change into something better. Gives us the sense that we’re something better. We’re not. Surprise!

  390. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 6:59 pm #

    I wouldn’t know Q if he punched me in the face, but I admire his work.

  391. myrtlemay September 24, 2011 at 7:10 pm #

    “Where is her mother? She looked like a $5 whore who lives in trailer down by the river.”
    Jesus, would you give the girl some time, why dontcha? Trailer park whores aren’t born overnight, ya know. She’s not gonna pick up that kind of training at Vassar, Smith, or even Wellesley!
    On a lighter note, I’ve noticed girls in my granddaughters’s high school unceremoniously pull the “wedgie” out from their too tight trousers in the high school cafeteria during high noon. Picking one’s teeth in public is apparently an accepted form of social expression as well. We used to call these types of folks “low brow” in my day. I’m fairly certain none of them would know to what that expression refers today. Dare to say, many CFN’ers, for that matter. Big SIGH!

  392. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 7:15 pm #

    “…further diminsh our Second Amendment Rights”.
    Oh I just can’t stop laughing. How have our Second Amendment rights been diminished? I could go out and buy a .50 calibre rifle right now without any problem and I already own two guns. I own them because I fear my fellow citizens, not my government. The Globalists don’t give a shit about my pistol-grip pump or my 38.

  393. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

    Sorry Q but you can’t imply Summers’s free speech was violated. Freedom of speech does not guarantee him a right to a job or to be label-free, it only allows him to voice his opinions with the threat of government sanctions. It’s Bill of Rights 101.

  394. novacandycaine September 24, 2011 at 7:28 pm #

    *without the threat of government sanctions. (It’s a picayune party! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)

  395. San Jose Mom 51 September 24, 2011 at 8:21 pm #

    We best have our smelling salts ready for the upcoming generation. 🙂

  396. Qshtik September 24, 2011 at 10:07 pm #

    Sorry Q but you can’t imply Summers’s free speech was violated.
    Please Confusion, let’s face it, Summers was railroaded out of his position at Harvard for committing the unforgivable sin of publicly suggesting or, more accurately, speculating that women might be different than men in their abilities in the sciences … liberalism to the nth degree.
    Imagine if he had speculated that men had lesser abilities than women in some field. There would have been no flap. No one would have given a shit … in my humble opinion, of course.

  397. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 11:12 pm #

    Fuck, I hate when I do that.

  398. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 11:25 pm #

    I could not agree with you more, Q. I remember defending Summers at the time while having a discussion with my wife, a devout feminist, on the whole matter. I saw nothing wrong with Summers simply speculating on the possibilty that men may possess an advantage over women in the top tiers of science and math. It’s just that I shudder when someone suggests that an individuals first amendments rights may have been violated because he was fired/publicly chastised for something he said. Summers’s first amendment rights are still secure; he wasn’t arrested for his words. It’s as simple as that.

  399. Confusionism September 24, 2011 at 11:27 pm #


  400. lbendet September 25, 2011 at 8:21 am #

    Time for me now to declare victory in this mini-debate and return to spelling, grammar and punctuation before I am accused of flogging a dead mule.
    Stick a flag in it Q.
    I know you wanted to “stir the pot” and out of deference to my elders, I obliged.
    I was discussing a pattern of behavior that was written about in a new book about the atmosphere in this administration that the women Obama chose to work on the economy were discussing with the writer.
    I surmised that the brilliant Mr. Summers may have exerted influence in this environment. I wasn’t just picking on his speech at Harvard. I repeat, I observe patterns. Patterns of behavior as well as events.
    You may not like how I put things together, but I have every right, as do you to speak my mind, here.
    As Wage pointed out so well, misogyny is not his greatest sin.

  401. budizwiser September 25, 2011 at 9:04 am #

    The “other kind” of Tea Party……..

  402. CaptSpaulding September 25, 2011 at 9:19 am #

    Wage, I think that the Snafu regarding the sale of weapons was the result of a screw up by the people in charge. I remember the agents being very critical about the way the fiasco was handled by their superiors, it wasn’t the result of government policy.

  403. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 12:13 pm #

    How many Ruskies died in the 80s? the 00s?

  404. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    Wow, what delusion. What did the Goverment do when New Orleans when in the grip of Terror? Why they took time from helping people and fighting the gun toting gangs to go door to door to confiscate guns.
    They are always trying to chip away at our rights – you can’t buy guns as you described in alot of states. They hate the 2nd Ammendment and the Internationalists are desperate to disarm Americans – as they already have most of the West.
    I too was shocked at the time when so many seemingly nice women called for the firing of Larry Summers. I wouldn’t be shocked now that my eyes are opened about Women and their lack of respect for our Laws and the rights of Men.
    Your wife is a feminist? My condolences. You’ll be lucky if you don’t lose every thing you own in divorce court. A feminist can’t be a real wife after all. You are confused and should study Confucius.

  405. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 1:17 pm #

    No man in his right mind would marry an American Women. They’re nothing but Feminist haters and/or slovens. Smart American Men don’t marry or marry women from elsewhere.

  406. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 1:22 pm #

    So being fired for your viewpoint is not a violation of the First Ammendment? What does it mean then? You can say whatever you want in Europe too – then the consequences. Same here. The only difference is that the Goverment acts directly in Europe while here it uses “private” academic and corporate speech codes here. It’s not as reliable and you’ll be happy to know that they are working on a European model for America as well.

  407. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 1:27 pm #

    Most of what you say is a private joke so I can’t tell if you are accomplished or not. When you speak plainly though, you are almost always plainly wrong in the usual extreme liberal bleeding heart/hate Whites kind of way.

  408. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 1:32 pm #

    Thanks for the calculations – very thought provoking. I meant just for America but it doesn’t matter that much since the basic limitations are clear in any case. And as far as converting it to liquid fuel – did you figure the cost of that into the equation?

  409. Confusionism September 25, 2011 at 3:57 pm #

    So being fired for your viewpoint is not a violation of the First Ammendment? – Vlad
    From a position in a private institution? No, it’s not. How much clearer do I have to make it? By the way, how does it feel to be so bitter all of the time?

  410. Widespreadpanic7 September 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    WSJ ran a few good rebuttal letters this weekend taking Yergin to task for his column last week on peak oil. One of them was written by a geologists who states that Yergin is way too optimistic in his assessment of available crude left in the ground.
    I wished there were some trained geologists posting here in the CFNation. It would clear some of things up for me and perhaps keep this comments section more on track.

  411. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm #

    Correction: by cost I meant the amount of coal needed to convert coal into liquid fuel.

  412. Vlad Krandz September 25, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    So much for our rights as long as the offending party is “private” (systemic). That’s the whole problem in a nutshell: America has been hijacked by a small group of privateers. The Federal Reserve is just one example – albeit the most fundamental one. But your’s fits too.
    A guy is being fired for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights while working at Walgreen’s. Soon all of America will be “private” in this way, including the public streets. Just like a woman’s body is private and she has the right to kill her unborn child. And this idea just came to them all privately – it’s not like it was imposed from above or anything! Just so, Walgreen’s is private and the Constitution doesn’t apply therein. The guy should have just let himself be killed for the greater glory of Walgreen’s.

  413. Widespreadpanic7 September 25, 2011 at 4:23 pm #

    Vlad, last year in OK a pharmacist, a retired army Colonel, shot and killed an armed robber holding up his drug store.The pharmacist was arrested, tried and convicted of 1st degree manslaughter. Right now he is in Oklahoma State Prison.
    — WideSpreadPanic

  414. Widespreadpanic7 September 25, 2011 at 4:26 pm #

    Two factors worked against him. The first was that the kid killed, even tho he was armed, was black and still a teenager.
    The other is that he had already shot the kid once and incapacitated him. The second shot was a kill shot.

  415. Qshtik September 25, 2011 at 4:32 pm #

    I wished there were some trained geologists posting here in the CFNation. It would clear some of things up for me…
    Yo Wide, what’s up with the past tense? You mean present tense: I wish there were some trained geologists…
    And what gives with that other jumbled up sentence?
    Suggested wording: It would clear up some things for me…

  416. Widespreadpanic7 September 25, 2011 at 4:37 pm #

    And what gives with that other jumbled sentence? Q
    Q, my brain is jumbled!

  417. Qshtik September 25, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    last year in OK a pharmacist, a retired army Colonel, shot and killed an armed robber holding up his drug store.The pharmacist was arrested, tried and convicted of 1st degree manslaughter.
    Shades of the Subway Vigilante:
    Bernhard Goetz (legal name: Bernard Hugo Goetz[1]) is an American man best known for shooting four young men who tried to mug him on a New York City Subway train,[2][3][4][5] resulting in his conviction for illegal possession of a firearm. He came to symbolize New Yorkers’ frustrations with the high crime rates of the early 1980s. The incident occurred on a 2 train in Manhattan on December 22, 1984. It sparked a nationwide debate on vigilantism, the perceptions of race and crime in major cities, and the legal limits of self-defense.[4]
    Basically he was convicted for being stupid because everybody knows if you’re a skinny nerdy Jew you got no business riding the NY subway system 😉

  418. myrtlemay September 25, 2011 at 5:04 pm #

    Maybe you’re right. This Sunday’s Parade magazine featured a story on George Clooney. I think he’s quite a stud, even at 50! And he never got married. Doesn’t seem to regret it, either. As mother used to say, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
    There are some real bitches out there, no doubt. We’re not all slovens or harridans, though. That being said, some men feel as though they can trade in their wives every eight to ten years to upgrade to a newer model. Looking around at some of the scoundrels who inhabit Congress, some of these men deserve a good emptying out of their wallets occasionally. BTW, you probably should focus on getting laid more. It would definitely improve your personality. Try a “happy ending”, available at any Asian massage parlor in your area. And try to slip her (or him, if that’s your kick) an extra $20 spot. 🙂

  419. ozone September 25, 2011 at 5:48 pm #

    “The one scenario that will not happen is that the future looks just like the present, except more of it.” E.H.
    Thanks for pointing that out to some of the more delusional amongst us.
    I suppose you’re also finding out that engaging smoke-blowers and mirror-positioners is a wasting of critical time, energy, and emotional equilibrium.
    Lots of people are being crossed off of my list as those I might help in future. Sorry, natural selection is a bitch for everyone, but unkindest of all to those who chose not to acknowledge or accept the unstoppable tide of multiple changes and predicaments. This is the point that JHK outlined clearly this week, and why all the babbling of refutation and distraction immediately ensued…

  420. ozone September 25, 2011 at 6:10 pm #

    (On the event of actual defaults on debts unpayable, from the Automatic Earth:)
    “Yes, it’ll be tough, yes, it’ll be severe, yes, it’ll be brutal. But isn’t it true that nothing’s more brutal than having to listen day after day year after year to over-paid clowns lying through their teeth and other body parts and then in the end still wind up in a situation that’s in all likelihood even worse than where you would be if you’d have shut them out from the start?”
    Abandon the pumps and get to lashing a raft of some sort together; the swells have already rowed away with the well-provisioned lifeboats.

  421. jackieblue2u September 25, 2011 at 6:14 pm #

    I am loving re reading Geography of Nowhere,
    I got it out of storage.
    Excellent stuff. Also will reread Home
    From Nowhere. I prefer books to kindle. or computers.
    JHK Thank You for writing ! Especially the books. They really clarify my thoughts, as I do
    not have a way with words. You put my feelings about our ‘culture’ into words and perspective.
    and thanks for the blog and having me, and others here !

  422. ozone September 25, 2011 at 6:51 pm #

    Why the convergence this week on the topics of delusion, illusion, bamboozlement, and downright bullshittery? Event horizon closing fast?
    Read oftwominds blog entry this week, as well. A treatise on the cargo cult priesthood.

  423. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 6:58 pm #


  424. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 7:00 pm #

    So he deserved it, Killing a disarmed person?
    The second shots getting him 5 to 20.

  425. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm #

    ‘It takes a long time for the conditions we discuss here to become real for everyone.’
    As long as 2 pink slips in quick succession.

  426. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 7:12 pm #

    ‘People want to assign the cause of their misery to this or that (socialism, abortion, Jews, the New World Order’
    Or in some cases….to tattooed Suthners who eat
    Cheese doodles.
    NO? Sarah no last name necessary?
    Peak everything?

  427. wagelaborer September 25, 2011 at 7:25 pm #

    I usually read non-fiction, but picked up a Nevada Barr book to read on the train. Part of it rang very true-
    “…the same insanity that allowed politicians to stand on the national stage and tell the same lie again and again. If they found a lie people wanted to believe, it didn’t matter that it wasn’t true, that scholars and researchers and viedographers were screaming that it wasn’t true; nothing mattered but that they said the right words. The crowd’s need to believe it was getting what it wanted did the rest.”

  428. Qshtik September 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm #

    Killing a disarmed person?
    killing an unarmed person?
    There’s a big difference between unarmed and disarmed.

  429. wagelaborer September 25, 2011 at 7:50 pm #

    It’s true that TSHTF at different times for different people, and some people may never really suffer.
    My parents both went hungry during the Great Depression, but my mother-in-law’s father was a fireman, and they lived well. (But don’t point out to her that they lived off other people’s taxes!)
    People in New Orleans, Missouri and Vermont have already had global warming destroy their houses.
    Millions of people have lost their jobs. Millions of people have lost their homes.
    But more haven’t. So the society stumbles on.
    If you don’t hear about other people’s troubles, they aren’t real to you, are they?
    When I signed onto my computer, I got the MSN home page, and I looked at the top headlines. Really? These are important?
    Amazing, the power of the media to shape our thoughts.

  430. Widespreadpanic7 September 25, 2011 at 8:21 pm #

    Somebody here earlier mentioned those protesters down on Wall Street. According to Drudge, last night the NYPD commenced cracking heads. Even in a progressive place like NYC, step out of line, and you might get your head cracked.
    All indicators point to worldwide turmoil in the financial markets this week, with a possible Greek default, Bank of America collapse, and many other troubles, seen and unseen, leading to perhaps … WideSpreadPanic!!!
    –WSP, Key Largo

  431. wagelaborer September 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm #

    But we have free speech in America! And the right of assembly!
    Maybe if Americans cared as much about the right of free speech for the bottom 99% as they do for the top scumbags,like Larry Summers, we’d actually have a decent country.

  432. Qshtik September 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm #

    scumbags,like Larry Summers
    From Urban Dictionary:
    . A person of poor judgement and no class.
    . A used condom.
    . A person with no sense of propriety, decency or discretion.
    Notice, there is no mention of a scumbag hating, disliking or mistrusting women.

  433. anti soak September 25, 2011 at 10:25 pm #

    That is wrong?
    I figured once someones guns removed they are dis armed.

  434. Qshtik September 26, 2011 at 12:14 am #

    You’re right. I mis-read Wide’s comment. I thought it said the kid was unarmed.

  435. Vlad Krandz September 26, 2011 at 1:24 am #

    The large majority of divorces are brought by women – over 70%. Men are the ones getting taken to the cleaners. Women are the ones trading up. You too the Truth and reversed it. Good job. Typical.
    Bustin was weak. He gave up his misogyny once he got laid – as if it ceased to be true or never had been true. It wont happen to me.

  436. Vlad Krandz September 26, 2011 at 1:31 am #

    Larry Summers melted the ice cap – hence his name. Katrina was an inside job. They used the hurricane machine to get the Blax.

  437. ozone September 26, 2011 at 8:04 am #

    “When I signed onto my computer, I got the MSN home page, and I looked at the top headlines. Really? These are important?” -Wage
    Hey, the Red Sox retained their wildcard slot. What else is there to think/talk/write about?
    As Jim sez: “It’s All Good!”
    (Do ya think he might mean that satirically? ;o)

  438. ozone September 26, 2011 at 8:18 am #

    …And a seconded, “yep”. ;o)
    That’s why I think the neo-nazis will get first crack at attempting to run things after the Great Crumbling. (Less scruples about BigLie dissemination, don’cha know.)
    Of course, they won’t last as long in the endeavor as their German forefathers, but it will determine those with some empathy and those without. (That will become a most important distinction, IMHO; but a lot of VBT [very bad things] will have to teach the lessons of superstition and cruelty.)

  439. Jim in PA September 26, 2011 at 8:43 am #

    James, I don’t understand why you keep betting against the human ability to develop next generation energy solutions. I agree we will likely see a contraction due to energy limitations, but it will not likely be a “crumbling.” If the current trend continues, photovoltaics will be cheaper in a decade than coal and gas on a KWH basis. That doesn’t really help us in rainy Pennsylvania, but is great news for much of the country. And wind energy is already competitive. In fact, the ONLY thing we need to get wind and solar to the forefront is a breakthrough in energy storage that negates the short-coming of their intermittent nature. Cheer up dude. The future may have a serious suck factor, but all is not lost.

  440. ozone September 26, 2011 at 9:28 am #

    Sounds good…
    …but have you taken a peek at the superstructure beneath any bridges lately? Public investment is directly tied to political will, combined with public discernment of basic realities. Do the words “too late”, or “too stupid” ring any bells? They’re tolling pretty loudly from various steeples in my area as the crumbling advances with only minor attempts at countering it.

  441. jackieblue2u September 27, 2011 at 1:11 am #

    Hi Vlad.
    Hey just because the women File for the Divorce, (because the marriage is failing), does not mean it is necessarily her fault. I mean some men are Mean, and they provoke, and they are cruel and nasty, etc. but oh no they won’t take responsibility and actually go File, that would take some energy and responsibility on their part.
    They actually ‘see’ themselves as the ‘victim.’
    and they can get almost everyone around them to believe it. without trying. everything is fine as far as they are concerned, when so often it is very far from the truth.
    again…..this relationship stuff is layered.
    It’s not always what it looks like.
    There are bad women and bad men out there, Exploiting eachother. Men for money, women for sex, to be stereotypical about it.
    My husband provokes me, also silent treatment, tells me to leave, get the f*** out of here, (he won’t), and when I do he pleads with me to come back. My mistake was coming back too many times.
    He is pretty cruel, and so then when I go file for divorce you’d say it’s me the woman who started this. No, that would be putting an END to it.
    but boy did I screw that up.
    I suppose the reason most guys don’t file or actually leave is cuz then they WOULD Have TO PAY.
    of course in my case I get to file bancruptcy.
    So I guess I am stupid when it comes down to it.
    I never should have got married and I knew it. At least I waited until I was 40ish.
    At this point I am tired. burned out. older. old.
    Mean people DO suck. Like the bumper sticker says.

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