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Another name for diminishing returns is blowback. The Internet is certainly the most complex assembly of human thought in human history and it is blowing back ferociously on humanity in ways that are far from obvious. It has set in motion countless recursive feedback loops of misinformation, disinformation, and ideas that are simply bad in the sense that they don’t comport with reality. Hence, the new elastic meaning of the concept known as “truth.”

Capital T Truth used to be mankind’s conduit to reality. To even state it that way now may invite censure for sexism, since the word “man” has lately been burdened with toxic overtones; while the concept of sexism itself is tinged with the unreal notion that the hard-wired tensions between men and women should not be allowed to exist and must be abolished. That’s how hopelessly complex it’s getting. The divorce between truth and reality is nearly complete now that everybody has his/her/zhe’s own truth, and the facts are just ornaments subject to rearrangement within anyone’s own story.

The stupendous failures of authority driving America to political collapse are one manifestation of these dynamics, and one that might concern the thinking class, if it wasn’t so busy mind-fucking itself and everybody else. For instance, that most recent example of non-inclusive “truth” known as the Mueller Report. That hallowed document states unequivocally that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee’s email server in 2016.

In reality, there is no evidence of that being true. Neither the FBI nor Robert Mueller and his own investigators made any attempt to conduct a forensic examination of the DNC’s servers. They left the job to an outfit called Crowdstrike, a DNC contractor, and Crowdstrike’s “conclusions” were conveyed to the FBI and Mr. Mueller in a half-assed memo from the DNC’s lawyers. Anybody notice the embedded interests there? No one connected with these authorities ever even deigned to interview Julian Assange, either, and he was the one person on earth who might know for sure how those purloined emails came to Wikileaks.

Another whopper staring the credulous thinking class in the face is the obvious fact that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign colluded with Russians. Mr. Mueller left out of his report the fact that two Russians present in the infamous Trump Tower Meeting of 2016, Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin, were in the service of Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS “oppo research” company, hired by the Clinton Campaign and progenitor of RussiaGate, in particular the janky documents known as the “Steele Dossier.” Would you consider that a material omission? I would. How is it that the news media shows no interest in these matters? I suppose because it is not their truth.

Mrs. Clinton’s additional dealings with Russians — and the choo-choo train of cash money they rode in with — reached a high tide during her tenure at the State Department, when her foundation hauled in more than $150-million from Russian business interests alone (that is, from oligarchs), not to mention the mere half-million in walking-around-money that husband Bill received for giving a single speech to a Russian banking group. How is it that a Secretary of State trafficked in so much grifted loot without raising any red flags for institutional auditors?

America’s relationship with authority is in grievous disrepair with Robert Mueller as exhibit-A — a would-be Moses-like figure, only with feet of clay and a head rotting like the proverbial fish of institutional corruption. He announced in his May 29th “news conference” — in which he refused to entertain questions — that he preferred not to testify in any further inquiries about his Special Counsel investigation. What a cheeky fellow! It was, perhaps, a message to Reps. Nadler, Schiff, and comrades on the various congressional committees to (hint hint) not even bother calling him. But Mr. Mueller was, after all, a mere employee of the US Department of Justice, not a herald of God Almighty. I rather imagine that the Attorney General, Mr. Barr, has a few additional questions he would like to ask his “old friend.” Will Mr. Mueller, this Greta Garbo of jurisprudence, coyly demur? And on what basis, exactly? I don’t think he can get away with it.

The complexities of RussiaGate make all previous government scandals look as simple as Pin the Tail on the Donkey. The Internet will prove to be both its doing and its undoing. The much abused and perverted official “truths” of the matter were amplified by the Internet. And, of course, these “truths” were enlisted in service of Mrs. Clinton and the rogue bureaucracy looking to defend her (and themselves) at all costs. The cost turns out to be the dismemberment of thinking itself in America. It is now taken for granted that anyone who persists in thinking for him/her/zheself will be tossed out of the Internet’s large “social media” arenas in Mark Zuckerberg’s and Jack Dorsey’s quest to purify history.

They will not succeed. But they have certainly succeeded in needlessly antagonizing Russia, shoving foreign policy debate into sequestered game rooms that are at once halls-of-mirrors and echo chambers, and making the world a much more dangerous place. There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.


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  1. K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:08 am #

    I’d say diminishing returns and over investment in activities that yield diminishing returns is a symptom of collapse. It indicates limits are being reached.

    The capacity for self-delusion may be the final nail in civilizations coffin and the internet could be classed as giving diminishing returns because truth was easier in the day of immutable paper print. Electrons are far more here today gone and gone tomorrow and video unless it is done well makes the brain sleep.

    The answer in part, is transparency. I wrote about this yesterday. But the investment in deception is out of control.

    • Neon Vincent June 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

      Hi, K-Dog! I enjoyed reading both “Brittle Transparency” and “Collapse Is With Us And It Is Here To Stay” at your blog just now. I’d like to tie the latter post into your observation about diminishing returns leading to collapse. In the entry about collapse, you wrote “Overpopulation has caused environmental degradation and resource depletion to a degree that will now prevent existing arrangements to continue.” Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T! Of course, that isn’t happening without a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, first on the part of economists who think that underpopulation will cause economies based on expanding populations to stagnate and shrink and second on the part of ordinary Americans would would like to have children and grandchildren but can’t afford to. Not everyone is a proponent of zero population growth like me and even I am thinking I should be careful what I wish for, I might not like how I get it.

      You also wrote “The most significant waste product of resource depletion, carbon dioxide begins reversal of the green revolution before supply chains disruption from depletion ends the energy and fossil fuel inputs on which modern agriculture depends.” The most purposeful plan to mitigate this and retool the economy that seems to have any mainstream political energy in the U.S. is the Green New Deal. I admit it’s nowhere near enough and has strong partisan opposition, but it is a good first step and better than allowing things to take their current course that seems to be the main alternative.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:38 am #

        ‘Diminishing returns on having children is starting to slow down overpopulation, at least in developing countries, as U.S. birth and fertility rates continue falling and setting record lows. Americans, Europeans, and east Asians are doing their part to slow the rise of P in I=P*A*T!

        This is a dodge.

        As countries develop the environmental footprint of every person increases. On a global or national scale Efp (environmental footprint) is proportional to both P (population) and Na (national affluence) through a constant of proportionality k.

        Efp = k ( P * Na )

        The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.

        Now integrate that puppy over the entire globe and you can measure the damage.

        A real equation Vincent. So you being a teacher can prove me wrong or go teach it. The bottom line is mother earth is getting real sick of bullshit and so is everyone else.

        • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

          “The jury is out on if the Green New Deal is white bread hopium or real progress.”

          Dog,
          …No it ain’t.

          Anyone with a modicum of interest in human history understands that it requires the will to succeed, not a proposal.

          We all can offer proposals to solve the world’s problems…the will to sacrifice? Not so much.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

            I agree. Like discussions about Geo Engineering. Who is going to fund initiatives which might or might not work and cost $100s of billions of dollars? I’ve noticed how big brains can wax poetic for hours about the technical potentials of their nerd fantasies but never once have I ever heard feasibility and the necessary political and budgetary commitments discussed. Not once ever. It is all a pipe dream. But as far as it goes it is smokin interesting shit.

            I guess we are just supposed to come together in a big group hug and it will all be good after they all finish with their TED talks.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 12:16 pm #

        How will a Green New Deal furnish the fossil fuel inputs on which the Green Revolution still depends and for which there are no replacements? The only green in the GND I see so far is $$$$.

        GND Green New Deal or in electronics, ground potential. Zero potential, nada, none at all. No voltage. Generalities won’t work. Generalities are political bullshit.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:21 am #

      If I’ve read it correctly, the point of the post is that the truth of the matter is, yes, Russia has colluded with American leaders to meddle in our politics, but everyone’s doing it including the Clintons, so therefore it’s all good.

      Seriously, it reads as a further indictment of Russia and reveals that Russia is burning both ends of the American political candle and all the wax in between.

      If the bottom line is, they’re ALL traitors, not just Trump, I agree. Now, what are Americans going to do about it? Will Americans do anything about it? Or will Americans continue to choose tribal truth over the really truthful truth?

      • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:31 am #

        Where is the concrete evidence for Trump being a traitor? Working with the Russians to nefarious ends?

        I know I ask this often, but no one ever provides any. Perhaps you are different. Ready when you are.

        • lbs June 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

          The wokester class is all embarked on an endless low carbon ecotourism safari through the labyrinth of Rachel Maddow’s brain.

      • shotho June 17, 2019 at 11:37 am #

        What exactly do you suggest that Americans can do about “it”? Voting does not seem to be an option for “draining the swamp”. Armed insurrection, better known as civil war, could be tried, I suppose. But consider the nature of the American population in its degraded and bloated configuration. Not much left.
        Russia and China are increasingly moving together with India remaining on the sidelines for now. The Anglo-American dominance of the West is no longer tenable. It looks to me that, increasingly, the Russians have no need for an American candle.

      • gonetohell June 17, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

        To answer your question; Americans will continue to do nothing. Even assuming they are smart enough, they are far to complacent. Actually, so many are buried in just trying to survive that they have no time or energy to do anything.

        Much of the supposed intellect in this country, of which JHK purports membership, defend an ass clown president like D J Trump. What sort of hope does that give you? A man that not only doesn’t want a GND, he wants to roll back the flimsy environmental protections of previous administrations. A man that also wants to give carte blanche back to the banks that likely own him.

        JHK brings up Hillary in nearly every rambling, as though she has relevance in solving the problems currently facing America. Let go JHK, let’s worry about the fool occupying the Oval Office. Don’t rail about the subjectiveness of truth when your hero has taken the concept to new heights, with millions following suit.

    • TraffickingInDivinity June 17, 2019 at 11:56 am #

      Diminishing returns indeed! No one knows how much longer this can continue – I remember my Dad saying that when we hit $1 trillion dollars of national debt that it was over then – but we should prepare for it now.

    • abbybwood June 17, 2019 at 8:47 pm #

      David Stockman lays it all out on the Iran/U.S. quagmire:

      informationclearinghouse.info/51775.htm

  2. benr June 17, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Interesting that you decided to tackle this specific dragon since half the people who read and comment on your page right now are having hissy fits of impotent rage.
    Good write up I enjoyed seeing reality splattered all over the blog.
    Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.
    As this reality sets in and the DNC can’t avoid the fact they have been scream for Mr. Trumps head shrieking collusion to the sky how will they handle the fact Hillary colluded?
    My guess ignore it like all Democrat crimes nay all political crimes the only Republican’s I can remember actually going to jail was Duke Cunningham.
    I suggest to save our country corruption be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law starting with Hillary, Biden and his sons extensive ties to China and at least a look at Kamala Harris and her kickbacks from the teachers union a full blown scandal in the works.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

      The Democratic tribe refuses to engage in self-reflection of ant kind. They can’t acknowledge that capital has ruined the service to the American people they once offered. It is time to switch brands.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:39 am #

      benr,

      Properly understood as a political side show with BOTH parties in on the take, all of many current affairs begin to come into sharp focus. This is all just political cover so that BAU – the foreclosing on anything and everything that’s left of the cratering American political economy – can proceed apace.

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We have nearly come full circle. And it is truly amazing how nearly everything they accuse Trump of they are guilty themselves.

      It applies to nearly every accusation. To think I used to roll my eyes when people would talk about Alinsky tactics ….

      • Ron Anselmo June 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

        Yeah, its called projection. Not real good poker players – hand on the table…

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:24 am #

          Psychological projection is not conscious effort as far as I understand. The Alinsky tactics are, well, conscious efforts.

          The level of coordination among these muppets is astounding.

    • 450.org June 17, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      Consider the DNC has been throwing crap hoping something will stick for over two years now.

      That’s your truth but it’s not THEE TRUTH. The DNC doesn’t want anything to stick. They prefer Trump as the political foil he is for them. This is why Pelosi refuses to impeach. Trump is too politically convenient in office. Her yang to Trump’s yin is her political value and what will extend her political career until she takes her last breath.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:48 am #

        She refuses to attempt to impeach him because she knows it won’t happen.
        If she thought she could get it through she would but the failure to make it happen would only energize anyone on the fence.

        My truth is the truth until something of actual offense is brought to light I tepidly support Trump because the other side is just plain crazy.
        Not liking someone is not grounds for impeachment if that was the case every President ever would have been impeached.
        Obama was universally loathed by the Republicans.
        The other side hated GWBush and we got to hear all sorts of terrible stuff about the man not unlike Trump.
        Poppa Bush at the time was attacked mercilessly and on his death all of a sudden everyone who hated him pretended he was the second coming of Jesus.
        Reagan was attacked non-stop as well.
        Slick Willy hated but he at least was smart enough to go along to get along.
        Ford ditto called dumb., clumsy played to much football with no helmet.
        Nixon loathed.
        Carter while a nice man he was setup to fail in the Iran hostage “crisis”. and terrible foreign policy some considered him the worst President ever well until Obama and Trump.
        You get the idea.

  3. lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    The last sentence of today’s post about sums it up for me with regard to the USA and any chance it may have to turn things around. Not going to happen. Expect more mayhem, vitriol, scapegoating. Perhaps even a hot war or 2 thrown in for good measure.

    I can’t see why anyone with the ability to turn things around would want to even bother wading into the cesspool (assuming such a person exists) at this time. The really clever ones are waiting for the dust to settle thinking some level of normalcy will still exist. I think they are in for a surprise. Unless they have warlord type abilities.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      shoving foreign policy debate into sequestered game rooms that are at once halls-of-mirrors and echo chambers, and making the world a much more dangerous place.

      Elite rule is never about transparency. When your goal is to make the best deal for yourself and not consider of the needs or others or the bigger picture, in other words when your goal is to be a shit, it is best to hide what you do if there is little chance of getting caught. It is also best to wear a suit.

      I don’t advocate the above. I just point out it is what it is.

      • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:38 am #

        and not consider the needs or others

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:40 am #

          and not consider the needs of others

          I am not trying to do this. I am sorry.

          • lateStarter June 17, 2019 at 10:56 am #

            I would tend to agree that they don’t even bother to pretend that they are all lined up at the feeding trough now and don’t care about anyone but themselves and their families. They have a get out of jail card, so why bother to pretend to care. But, yes, it does help to wear a suit and nice hair gets you extra points.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:23 am #

          The argument then usually take the form of; is it the same as it has always been or has a real change happened. I’ll go with a real change happened. The disgusting was not always popular. Virtue was not always so easily abstracted to a $.

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            That was @ lateStarter

  4. izzy June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    The chief “thought” occupying this mind of late is how to get out of the way of what’s coming, especially if one cannot afford a billion-dollar bunker in Patagonia. This latest development with public confessions of cyberwar grid-hacking has turned the heat up past boil. We’re on a Ship of Fools now.

  5. Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Yes indeed Jim, anything goes and nothing really matters. America fast approaches total chaos as successive over indulged, coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe, continue to invent their own individual truth. Total chaos is the goal which is seriously frightening to those of us that believe that this is all being engineered by a malevolent, evil force hell bent on taking US(A) all down with it. The only thing that is certain, at least to me, is that it is going to get worse before it gets better.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Don’t take this personally but one thing I read on the internet last week is still rolling around my noggin. Something to the effect of:

      If you are always complaining then you will be exactly where you are in life now in ten years.

      I don’t know if it is true or not and I don’t know if I even have ten years but it does give pause when reading things like, ‘coddled snowflakes, each being the center of their own universe.

      That may be true but we are all snow if you get my drift.

      • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 10:58 am #

        Perhaps I believe that I can man them up by calling them out for the pussies that they are. I have a lot of these discussions with the large number of 8 to 20 year old folks I work with. They see it exactly the same, that affluence has eroded the character, motivation and inclination of successive generations to do anything that looks like work. I have had one or two thirty somethings bitch to me “How come you get to retire and I can’t?” They seem to not be able to understand math at all, recognizing the difference between busting your butt for 50 years verses seven years of making keystrokes.

        Oh no Dog, I am not simply bitching and moaning, I do my best to communicate and enlighten those around me, and a lot of the young folk that I interact with, they seem to get it.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 11:27 am #

          Then you don’t mind the opportunity to clarify.

          It is a matter of human nature so being clear is important. I agree with you. The idea of having to contribute to earn a share instead of just partaking of the copious bounty often seems to be a novel thought among the young.

          • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 11:43 am #

            They say that my father’s generation of Americans were the “Greatest Generation”, I disagree. My Grandfather’s generation was the greatest. They left their homes and their countries and sailed across the ocean to America where they struggled against prejudice and the social order. They built America into a modern power and then headed back over the ocean to fight their own relatives in a Not-So-Great War.

            My Father’s generation was raised in poverty during the Great Depression. The learned the old ways and then they too headed back to the homelands to fight the European and a Pacific War and established the finest manufacturing based country on Earth.

            My generation, the Boomers, were the first to have it easy, to have so much handed to us for so little effort. Some of us were fortunate to be raised by parents that still understood the value of hard work and developing marketable skills and talents. But far too many partied and caroused and were then handed inheritances from those hardworking parents.

            Generations since have had their lives grow far easier every day with the advent of technologies that took the hard out of hard work on far too great a scale. Easier and easier will one day become harder and harder because everything is cyclical. Let us hope that once it does, there are enough left standing that remember the wisdom of the olden days and can adapt and thrive once again. Hope springs eternal.

    • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Right on Walter.

      It is interesting to ponder if it is done by design by a group with evil intent or if we really are just azz fooking ourselves.

      Day-to-day I see either equally possible.

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      Chaos is from the Barbarian hordes, unwashed. Emma Lazarus told the people of Liberty to accept them.

  6. Paulo June 17, 2019 at 10:21 am #

    Sure, there are a zillion examples of shaky internet ‘truths’ out there, but the drum pounding example just had to be, (wait for it)…Mueller report, Clinton, Podesta, etc. Geez, you couldn’t even use, “gave Iran billions of our dollars” or “Seth Rich was ‘taken out’? Bilderbergs? Davos?

    As for Russia, Snowden lives there because he has nowhere else to go, and Steven Segal because he’s a fricking idiot right winger goof. Unless you’re an oligarch, Russians try to leave for the West. Ask Assange if he really committed ‘the crime’, a guy hiding from the ‘law’ that’s planning to toss him in jail? Yeah, like he’s going to admit to anything. That’s about as plum as asking the Trumpers if the campaign colluded with the Russians? (sputter sputter, of course not)!!!!

    Yes, the internet is a complex hell, meanwhile, it is reducing driving and terrible store front building/parking lots with online buying. It provides immediate research sources and provides an alternative to the education racket. Hell, when I had a problem doing my brakes I went to Youtube where a mechanic took me through it. Just the savings in online phone numbers has probably saved a forest the size of a large western state.

    I guess it’s all in your point of view. The problem arises when your POV is stuck on Mueller, Podesta, and Clinton.

    • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 10:37 am #

      Oh yes, the battle cry of the unrepentant, biased Democrat, “Don’t look here, look over there!”

      From your comments Paulo, I gather you are still convinced that Trump colluded with the Russians. It’s just unfortunate that a dozen Trump hating angry Democrats couldn’t prove anything after 2 years.and 40 million dollars. It just proves how slippery he is, right?

      How hard would anyone have to look to uncover Hillary & company’s crimes? Not very.

      • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:29 am #

        @hmuller
        They don’t have to look all they need to do is pick up where the last investigation left off and decide to convene a grand jury.
        There is already enough dirt on Hillary to hold a trial and find her guilty of obstruction, evidence tampering and sending classified documents to a non-government server not of the correct security classification.
        I doubt she would spend much time in jail as she is obviously very physically ill, mentally ill and spiritually sick.

        Don’t be to hard on Paulo we all suffer from my team is good syndrome. If we all step back human nature is at fault for all the bad in both parties. They are after all human and no one wants to admit they are doing bad things and worse the people we root for are human and flawed

        Our founding fathers warned of party first, money second, country and we the people after syndrome. They were intellectual giants in comparison many of whom were self taught.
        As we move forward as a country I’m starting to believe big business University brand brainwashing is super toxic and self study is the only way to the truth and proper education.

      • Majella June 17, 2019 at 8:53 pm #

        Hmuller

        You parrot Trump’s talking points absolutely verbatim! Congratulations, there’s a job for you as a talking head at Fox.

        Your statement “couldn’t prove a thing after 2 years & $40 million” is also not only absolutely untrue but demonstrates you haven’t bothered to read the Report or even a half-decent summary of it – AG Barr’s notwithstanding.

        If there’s all this dirt on Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Wassermann-Swartz, the DNC et al, by all means, pursue it, just as benr suggests.

        But don’t you Trump boosters kid yourself that he and his crime family are all sweetness & light.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:01 pm #

          Majella, you parrot the knee-jerk hate of all sufferers of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I’d suggest professional help, but you’re enjoying it so much.

          • Majella June 18, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

            hmuller

            Your unwavering admiration for the Fuckwit-in-Chief is equally knee-jerk and certainly indicative of an inability to see clear, real facts.

            It may not seem like it now, but the time will surely come when you do, and you’ll wither up at the embarrassment & shame you’ll feel – or SHOULD feel, but I guess that’s as unlikely as your Hero & Savior experiencing any level of self-awareness.

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 11:31 pm #

            Darn Majella, you caught on to my dirty little secret. I am ignorant, non self-aware, have an inability to see clear, real facts, and react with unthinking knee-jerk reactions.

            I must be all these things and worse because I don’t see things your way.

            Actually, I don’t love Trump as much as I let on. I love principles such as draining the swamp, smashing corruption and the evil deep state. I want to see thousands dragged to jail in chains and hundreds executed for how they have ruined and betrayed this country.

            I’m not sure to what extent Trump will do these things. He keeps some bad company and has some horrible, Neo-con, globalist advisors. If he betrays his promises, I will turn against him.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 5:37 am #

            Yeah, well, those are precisely what you accuse me of, so call it a wash.

            I don’t actually believe you ARE so deluded, but until now all anyone has had to go on have been your extremely red Trumpista-sounding statements. Excuse me for taking you at face value!

            As to principles as you have enumerated them, we’re entirely aligned.

            I just didn’t believe the lying, cheating, self-aggrandising, fake ‘man-of-the-people’, narrisistic idiot who grabbed your hope and then shat all over it, would EVER deliver any of the ‘promises’ he used to garner less than 49% of the general vote.

            I’ve got no truck with Hillary either, by the way bur ANYTHING would be preferable to this outrageous fraud. She’s just as much a corporate shill as anyone else from the Establishment, where the color of your state doesn’t actually matter at all.

            Rational people want the same things – a fair shake, an equitable system of justice, a taxation system that delivers to the commonweal from which it is extracted, and a reasonable expectation that those in government work FOR you as opposed to just ‘working you’.

            That’s why, to my mind Sleepy Joe Biden (real clever, but given recent revelations, surely Sloppy Joe, or even Slobbery Joe would had a little more nuance?) is a non-starter. He doesn’t have a chance at the nomination (even with DNC collusion).

            I.d prefer a real person, preferably young, a veteran of a foreign police action with a progressive outlook, wanting so bring back ‘the good old days’ where there was an element of social caring and fairness.

            How about Tulsi Gabbard?

    • Nightowl June 17, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      As Mr. Podesta alluded to in his private mails, Seth Rich was killed in a hit. Once you have accepted the facts on SpyGate, RussiaGate, etc., you will have to cross this “wacky conspiracy” off of your list, too.

      Too bad, so sad.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:22 pm #

        Yes, if Trump had tried to really do anything, he would have not woken up with a pillow on his face. Podesta also seemed to refer to Scalia as well.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

          I liked Scalia. But I still think there’s something not quite right about that lodge where he died, (if you know what I mean).

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

            Yeah, David Duke once took a vacation to Israel. As he neared his destination he began to realize it probably hadn’t been a smart thing to do. He was right….

            The Lodge is the Enemy of Mankind.

        • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:26 am #

          Mr. Wet Works.

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill June 17, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

      Yeah, I read this post today until I hit the words Mueller Report, then I stopped. I pretty much knew what the rest of it was going to cover and I just don’t care.

      Then, the posts that respond to your comments that need to keep waving their hands about Hillary and Dems and who gives a shit what else show that we are done anyway. Midwest farmers don’t have crops in yet, insect populations are crashing, there’s been a potential false flag with Iran getting blamed, etc…. but, but, but the Mueller report and Hillary. And the snowflakes. Can’t forget them for they are everyone’s favorite whipping boy/grrrrl/whatever right now.

      Perhaps the intellectual collapse extends right here too in that we obsess over our stupid political theater instead of big things going on. Maybe it’s because we feel as though we might have some agency over politics or because of our own egos. As though this political shit show will matter in 100 years after Mom nature kicks our ass a little and knocks a little humility back into our “just do it” mentality. And after she removes a few billion unique, special people from her skin. But what the heck, politics plays well and generates lots of comments, including my own thinking out loud crap.

  7. hmuller June 17, 2019 at 10:24 am #

    Our host nailed down exactly what I find so frustrating.

    The deep state Powers That Be deceive us; the MSM backs them up. Then the social media moguls of Silicon Valley persecute and purge anyone who has the audacity to point out inconvenient facts.

    I’m especially offended by that greasy, lisping foreigner from Google, Sundar Pichai, who wants to protect Americans from their first amendment rights through censorship.

    The left wing SJW’s feel validated by all the MSM lies and propaganda, while most Americans just tune out the confusing cacophony of charges and counter-charges. Arguments over “the Muller Report” begin to sound as esoteric and irrelevant to real life as theologians debating transubstantiation.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

      Yes, the Indians of America are a very destructive force and personally insufferable. The more one meets foreigners, the more one desires not to have to meet any of them, at least not in what is supposed to be our own country.

      • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 3:01 pm #

        Most of the Indians who make it to America are upper caste. And they display the insolence which comes from knowing they earned their place by 500 virtuous lifetimes. And everyone else is inferior.

  8. fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 10:25 am #

    “There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.”

    I’d lay the odds at 99.9999%.

    Which for all practical purposes is 100%.

    Barring (no pun intended) a miracle there is nothing recognizable as intellect left in the republic.

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:30 am #

      You don’t think a margin of error can improve those odds a little bit?

      • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 10:33 am #

        Maybe, but it seems we can’t even agree that gravity is a thing these days.

        • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 10:51 am #

          You got it. Excessive belief in gravity will hinder belief in Mars. We are going to Mars my bitches!

          People have to know that if things get bad enough we will all be able to just head on down to our local airports and board Musk specials to the red planet. Kardashians and Influencers will travel first class of course. The boon to interplanetary trade will both save the economy here on earth and make Mars great again too so obviously any disagreement from this point of view is an act of terrorism.

          Excessive belief in gravity must be prevented or the public will panic.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:28 pm #

            How to serve Man, eh? With ketchup and relish!

          • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 2:15 pm #

            That’s good. And hold the mustard, he was a colonel.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

          Exactly so. As Chesterton said a hundred years ago, some day just saying “Grass is green” would lead to the drawing of swords. Interestingly, he predicted a Muslim incursion into Britain backed by a viciously daft British Elite. In short, he was a Prophet even as Jean Raspail was.

    • benr June 17, 2019 at 11:34 am #

      I spent the day with a poli sci major from UC Davis who was clueless about anything including how our government really functions.
      I was really sad to see she knew nothing while claiming to know everything.
      The only thing that popped out of her mouth obsessively was orange man bad, Hillary wonderful, toxic male masculinity and man spreading all said to her father on Fathers day. Not my kid thank god I would be pissed about spending that much to get so little in return.
      Honor roll student straight a’s and clueless.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:31 pm #

        In Ancient Rome, the Father was a god. He decided which children lived and which died. And of course he had the right to kill his older children if they dishonored Him. One yearns and pines for a return to this state of affairs. Let us be Romans again, at least after a fashion.

  9. JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 10:28 am #

    Various Fox Polls yesterday really show the schizophrenia of the electorate. If their content is to be believed, Trump might as well write his concession speech now. The country is on a rush to socialism. A Denver city council member says she will usher in Communism by any means necessary. Biden, then Bernie, then Warren. The public actually buys the round after round of Dem BS that is being generated. The media is Communist, period. The Globalists are totally in control of the media and at least half of the Deep State. The country is at a very tenuous point right now. Are we a socialist gimme State, or a country based on individual responsibility and liberty? I know what my opinion is.

    • Majella June 17, 2019 at 9:03 pm #

      *Sigh* The same old “everyone wants free shit” trope. It’s just not so – but it’s no longer worth arguing about with those who can’t see the wood for the trees.

  10. Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    Try as I might I can’t understand how anyone could even possibly fall for all this Russian collusion nonsense, especially when the actual collusion hides in plain sight and is reported openly with little or no comment by the MSM.

    cnn.com/2019/06/17/politics/trump-heights-golan-settlement-us-israel-scli-intl/index.html

    Note: The rest removed by Admin for scurrilous content — JHK Admin

    • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 10:46 am #

      So to sum up Ol’ Scrtach, you’re saying it’s not the Russians but the Israel lobby that has a disproportionate influence over American politics.

      I agree. I also see how no one is allowed to say that, or they will be branded as a hate filled, Nazi, anti-Semite

      • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:00 am #

        Guess you need someone to blame for everything so Israel becomes your scapegoat. You do know the Nazis had a similar idea right? Not Israel per se but blaming the Jews for all that was wrong in Germany?

        • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:04 am #

          How many times is AIPAC listed in NYT database? 1? 2?

          • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

            The NYT is obsessed with Israel. No idea why. You clearly are too. No idea why.

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

            Perhaps a demographic profile of NY Times readers and leaders would give you a clue, Mt Gal.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:23 am #

          Guess you just proved my point, Mountain Girl.

          Did I “blame” Israel or the Jews for anything? As a knee-jerk reaction you practically called me a Nazi, or at least someone just like them. You’ve internalized the lifetime of programming with which we’ve been inundated, old gal.

          If China had a comparable influence in American politics, you’d be among those raising the alarm.

          • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:44 am #

            Not sure how you can compare China with Israel, population 9 million or so and the size of New Jersey.

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

            Exactly, Mt Gal. Israel is a very small country to have so much power in Washington. Does Nepal have such power?

            Did you ever ask yourself why Israel has so much power over our politicians?

            There’s a saying, “money talks, and bullshit walks”.

            Washington is full of lobbyists waving around a lot of money on behalf of many interests (not just Israel). Money gets politicians re-elected.

            On the other hand, talk of doing the morally right thing because it’s right qualifies as “bullshit”.

      • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 11:02 am #

        Actually hmuller, it’s important to get the phrasing right when referring to Israel, or you’ll be labeled an “anti-Semitic asshole,” or much, much worse. Israel would never stoop to influencing US politics, as that would imply that US politics actually matter to Israel in any way whatsoever and that it would somehow be worth the time and effort for Israelis to influence.

        Much better to say that US politics is brought into accordance with Israeli politics, which definitely do matter, such that Americans can better conform to the Almighty will of Jehovah/Yahweh/whatever, before he destroys them all in a fit of righteous rage at the end of the world anyway.

        But here, let’s make it easy. Simply memorize this little phrase and you’ll never run afoul of Zionist law again: “Israel First, America Last.” See how easy that makes it?

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

        He who pays the band calls the tune. And our media is owned by and large by a very small group of Jewish Billionaires. How could this not lead to tyranny and the death of thought via deplatforming and silencing of all kinds?

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

          Maybe that’s why Trump has done nothing of substance to protect his followers from the social media moguls and their purge of the long knives. His first loyalty is to the billionaire media owners, not us.

          • SpeedyBB June 17, 2019 at 9:16 pm #

            Well hmuller whenever I read a comment like your pithy observation I think back to Prez ManBaby’s dabbling with casinos in New Joisey.

            He undoubtedly had to deal with our colorful ethnic cousins with ties to old Sicily. And given that Agent Orange walked out of the room under his own power he clearly understands “The Art of the Compromise” when confronted with superior force.

            At least as long as his squirrel-like attention span allows.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 5:40 am #

            Speedy – nailed it!

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 11:06 am #

      Note: The rest removed by Admin for scurrilous content — JHK Admin

      Yep, it definitely was a tad scurrilous.

  11. FincaInTheMountains June 17, 2019 at 10:33 am #

    A brief summary of the Military Operations on the North American Front of the World War of the Roses after the AJD

    AJD is the appointment of John Durham and I must say that I haven’t written on this topic for a long time, for which I am very happy, because only now the smoke has cleared and the logic of the events that took place has become discernible.

    Indeed, the appointment of John Durham as a prosecutor in the case about the beginning of the Mueller investigation brought the military operations into a certain rut or, if you like, transferred them to the positional warfare stage ala Western Front in 1916, but this appointment itself, like an explosion, raised a lot of dust into the air and produced a lot of smoke giving rise to the situation “Battle in the Crimea, everything’s in smoke, nothing is visible”.

    And in this case, the battle was still in the Crimea, as the AJD ended the battle that began with the Ukrainian sailors who were sent to die in the Kerch Strait in order to turn the G-20 in Argentina into a worldwide coup d’etat of Hillary Clinton.

    Although according to the Hamburg Score kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fall-great-pumpkin/#comment-321823 is not about the appointment of John Durham, he is actually was appointed a long time ago, but that he has been given the authority to interrogate the leaders and ordinary agents of ALL US intelligence agencies, and they have no right to refuse to answer, referring to secrecy, as the President Trump removed the regime of secrecy from all the documents that will be required by John Durham and Attorney General Barr.

    Until now, not a single US Attorney had such authority.

    And what a 9th Way of a Shitstorm that has brought upon us!

    In addition to the usual Ukrainian screaming with an English accent: “And why are you doing that to us?!!”, there was a completely indecent scream about the American spy in Putin’s inner circle whose real name will become known to Barr’s investigators and through the US Attorney General’s Office will leak to the KGB, despite the fact that this organization is long gone.

    And the day before yesterday, the New York Times leaked the plan of the American military and special services, which they allegedly feared to report to Trump, fearing that he would tell the plan to Putin.

    According to this plan, these special forces will destroy the energy system of Russia if in 2020 they try to publish again how the elections in the USA are falsified, and in my opinion they in this article clearly hint at Anatoly Chubais as the very person in Putin’s inner circle who did everything for successful preparation of this plan and about which they told in the previous article, trying to justify the inadmissibility of the interrogation of special services by investigators of Barr and Durham.

    Having read this article, Trump immediately called the New York Times a virtual traitor, but not because they leaked to the KGB the identity of Chubais – only those who work with him on the preparation of this plan do not know that Chubais is the traitor – but because the very existence of such a plan is a casus belli to start a nuclear war, and the publication of this article seems to be a desperate and possibly last attempt by a cornered rat to provoke a nuclear war between Trump’s America and Putin’s Russia.

    In any case, I personally find it difficult to imagine something more dangerous and provocative than this article.

    Let me remind you that the Chernobyl power plant exploded because the Chernobyl NPP director Bryukhanov, who was rumored to be the son of the head of the State Atomic Energy Committee under the USSR government (“Goskomatom”), wanted to defend his doctoral dissertation on the topic “Empty run-down of a nuclear power plant”, that is, to simulate a situation when the kinetic energy of the rotor of the generator is disconnected from the network and is used to supply the cooling system with electricity.

    It is not surprising that not only from Google, but also from Wikipedia disappeared without a trace not only Bryukhanov’s father, but also the entire “Goskomatom”.

    And my friend who worked at “TsNIIMASH”, introduced me to his friend from “Gidproekt”, who without really hiding anything told us even then about how “Gidproekt” was forced to sign permission for this experiment (unsuccessfully), and soon died in a car accident.

    And in 1991 my friend from “TsNIIMASH” jumped out of the window of his newly received apartment in Podlipki.

    Thus, the accident at the Chernobyl NPP, among other things, showed what happens with the NPP after the network is disconnected and, in my opinion, after disconnecting from the network of all NPPs in Russia, US citizens will in practice be demonstrated that Russia has 50 megaton Poseidons and megaton Avanguards, which for little money can be put on the UR-100 missile systems, which began to be developed in the late 60s, and in the late 70s I studied their regulations and preflight maintenance, which is completely optional in the absence of time.

    Moreover, in the Facebook, rumors from people much younger than me are constantly falling on me, that they have gone through other military camps and now claim that the next modification of UR-100, as compared to mine, still confirms its combat readiness, after standing by God knows how many years in the fueled state.

    And in not fueled state, these complexes in my opinion can stand for another 30 years, after which they can be refueled, put 6 combat super-puper hypersonic Pizdets units on them, 30 megatons each, and fly them over to the aggressor, not really worrying about his missile defenses or its own accuracy.

    urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pizdets

    Meanwhile, I just finished watching Sunday’s political broadcasts, and Mike Pompeo’s speech on Face the Nation, or rather what was left of it (6:33), convinced me that the war with Iran is nothing compared to New York Times article, and most likely all these supertankers are the smokescreen support for this article, and not vice versa.

    youtube.com/watch?v=oFi-t4qoCKI

    Moreover, this time the Sunday political programs are in general a separate song, including because they constitute the normal political propaganda of the election campaign, which in fact officially began a long time ago.

    And the contrast of yesterday’s broadcasts with previous broadcasts confirms my hypothesis that these broadcasts were preparations for a global coup d’état, including in Russia, and the election campaign began only now.

    What actually creates the need for a brief summary of the Military Operations on the North American Front of the World War of the Roses after the AJD, which will be completed in the next post just so as not to soften the impression from this post.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      I sense you’re no longer finding time to sleep, Ol’ Finc. Let’s not go overboard with all this alternet stuff now, OK?

      • FincaInTheMountains June 17, 2019 at 10:51 am #

        Well, are you wagging your tail and shaking your horns in anticipation of the end of humanity?

        • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 11:04 am #

          It does seem to be nigh, doesn’t it?

    • Majella June 19, 2019 at 6:02 am #

      Finca

      Wu fascinating, like a great sci-fi novel, you know, where the times are basically feudal/medieval but the technology is just awesome!

      The shame for you is the fact that modern Russia (Rosina) is little more than a giant gas station, with nuclear weapons, ruled by compassionless oligarchical hegemony that seeks only to advance the personal precise of V.Vladimovich

      • GreenAlba June 19, 2019 at 8:11 am #

        I love the way FInca keeps quoting Putin as saying that, in the event of a nuclear exchange with the US, he and his people would go to heaven as martyrs while the inhabitants of the US would ‘die like dogs’.

        How can someone clever enough to have amassed one of the greatest fortunes on the planet be daft enough to have missed the bit about it being harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle?

        Or given the Putin fortune, a blue whale.

      • Majella June 19, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

        (Note to self – don’t post from iPad if you want the grammar to make sense!)

  12. Elrond Hubbard June 17, 2019 at 10:41 am #

    Iran says it will surpass uranium stockpile limit in next 10 days

    globalnews.ca/news/5398067/iran-uranium-nuclear-deal/

    “TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will break the uranium stockpile limit set by Tehran’s nuclear deal with world powers in the next 10 days, the spokesman for the country’s atomic agency said Monday while also warning that Iran could enrich uranium up to 20% — just a step away from weapons-grade levels.

    “The announcement by Behrouz Kamalvandi, timed for a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels, puts more pressure on Europe to come up with new terms for Iran’s 2015 nuclear deal.

    “The deal steadily has unraveled since the Trump administration pulled America out of the accord last year and re-imposed tough economic sanctions on Iran, deeply cutting into its sale of crude oil abroad and sending its economy into freefall. Europe so far has been unable to offer Iran a way around the U.S. sanctions.

    “The development comes in the wake of apparent attacks on oil tankers last week in the Mideast, assaults that Washington has blamed on Iran. While Iran has denied being involved, it has used mines in the past against commercial traffic around the crucial Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of the world’s crude oil passes. …

    “Under terms of the nuclear deal, Iran can keep a stockpile of no more than 300 kilograms (660 pounds) of low-enriched uranium. Kamalvandi said that given Iran’s recent decision to quadruple its production of low-enriched uranium, it would pass the 300-kilogram limit on Thursday, July 27.”

    Just what the world needs, a theocracy with nuclear weapons. Fortunately president Trump wants to negotiate with them, or says he does. We can only hope there will be an agreement! (If only some ninny hadn’t withdrawn from the last one…)

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:45 am #

      Just what the world needs, a theocracy with nuclear weapons

      Hmm… Israel has ’em and the US has ’em, so that’s at least two already. I think “another” was the word you were looking for.

      • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:04 am #

        Hard to fathom that you would compare Israel to Iran in terms of the dangers inherent in their having access to nukes. Only someone who has major problems with Jews and the idea of Zionism would ever think these were comparable. Guarantee you that Israel has zero intention of nuking the US(or anyone else) but Iran would dearly love to do so.

        • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 11:11 am #

          But fathom it you must. Guarantee you, it’s definitely fathomable. You’re just repeating bullshit you’ve heard from the main stream media organs.

          • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            I think you may be spending a tad too much time on conspiracy theory websites. I’m one of those dual citizens you all love to natter on about so I think I might know more about it than many/most who post here . Israel has no desire to nuke the US, Europe or anyone else. It’s never even carpet bombed Gaza, no matter how much they richly deserve it.

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

            Well there you go, Mt Gal. The refugees crammed into Gaza deserve to be carpet bombed in your opinion. It’s not genocide if you support it. Then you have the gall to call others “Nazi’s” because they apply equal moral standards to all sides.

            Have you ever seen children doused in the unquenchable burning phosphorus the Israeli’s have dropped on Gaza? I imagine it would give you something to cheer about with a big smile on your face.

        • SpeedyBB June 17, 2019 at 11:40 am #

          You may be correct, Mountain gal, but I have also read reports stating that Israel will target western European capitals with nuclear weapons if its existence is threatened.

          ‘Israel goes down, all the rest go down together.’

          • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 11:45 am #

            Well, what you’re saying is Israel will be targeting all hostile Islamic Republics, not just the ones in the Middle East.

            Brh

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            Speedy, they call it the “Samson Option” in reference to the way Samson brought down the house. Judges 17:28 -30.

            But in fairness I don’t know if it’s a rumor, or an actual threat, or whether they’d really do it in the end. Try researching the issue thru Google these days and you’ll discover how much Sundar Pichay is protecting us from such disturbing info – true or false.

          • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            No way. Do you believe everything you read?

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

            No, Mt Gal, I don’t believe everything I read. I keep an open mind and weigh evidence as best I can. Do you?

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

            When it comes from the lips of a famed Military Historian like Martin Van Crevold is deserves to be taken seriously. He said it among others. So you’re wrong Gal, as usual.

        • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 11:51 am #

          Mountain Gal, I don’t how closely you follow this comments section, but there’s tons of anti Israel sentiment posted here.

          Brh

          • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:53 am #

            I’ve noticed…….. I’m just tired of letting it go without comment. I may just stop visiting this site as it’s pretty virulent; the comments, not JHK.

          • benr June 17, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

            @mountain gal

            Please Don’t let it drive you off I actually enjoy your comments.
            .

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

            In other words, BRH doesn’t even bother to think about the content of such comments. They just get labeled “anti-Israel” and summarily dismissed.

            Is he well trained or what?

        • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

          “Guarantee you that Israel has zero intention of nuking the US(or anyone else)”

          MG,
          Thank God! I was worried there, for awhile….

    • robert magill June 17, 2019 at 11:01 am #

      @ Elron

      “Just what the world needs, a theocracy with nuclear weapons.”

      Perhaps you mean another theocracy with nukes? You’ve left out Israel.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 17, 2019 at 11:52 am #

        This is a popular meme today. I know I said theocracy, but it’s not as if the world was safe when it was two secular nuclear superpowers facing off over Cuba.

        Anyway, the only number of existing nuclear weapons that will make me happy existing anywhere is zero. And that day, if it ever comes, seems a long, long way off.

        • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

          Actually Elrond the number of nuclear armed nations might be growing, not diminishing.

          Saudi Arabia and Japan could be soon joining the club.

          Count SArabia in if Iran announces it has one.

          I’ve read technically advanced Japan could develop a nuclear arsenal within 1 year.

          Brh

          • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

            SArabia probably couldn’t build one on its own, but it certainly has the $$$ to buy all it needs from Pakistan.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

            Yes, Arabs aren’t very smart. But the Subcontinent has brains and even Iran may have a few. I assume one Muslim Nation will help out a brother, Sunnis to Sunnis, and Shia to Shia.

          • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

            “I’ve read technically advanced Japan could develop a nuclear arsenal within 1 year.”

            Actually 90 days. They have all the pieces, only assembly/ some machining is required.

          • fugeguy June 17, 2019 at 2:30 pm #

            And assembly and precise machining are 2 things that Japanese industry can do in their sleep.

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 11:37 pm #

            Saudi Arabia needs nuclear weapons like a toddler needs a loaded gun. Nothing good can come from that.

          • fugeguy June 20, 2019 at 10:27 am #

            hmuller agreed.

            Not sure SA or anywhere in the ME should be allowed chopsticks unsupervised.

            That’s even acknowledging that the rest of us monkeys often aren’t exactly the most rational of creatures.

        • benr June 17, 2019 at 12:23 pm #

          Worry about nukes yes but you should actually be worrying about all sources of nuclear contamination.
          Plenty of deadly sources stored in what some would say is secure places but are they really secure?
          Secure is encased in 50 feet of concrete in every direction and buried 300 feet deep.

          • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

            Oh yeah, that too.

            Apparently tons of nuclear waste was dumped in the Ocean by the Soviet Union and yes, the United States 1950-1970.

            Combine that with the 2056 nuclear detonations since 1945, safe to say the whole world has been contanimated.

            Brh

          • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

            “Apparently tons of nuclear waste was dumped in the Ocean by the Soviet Union and yes, the United States 1950-1970.

            Combine that with the 2056 nuclear detonations since 1945, safe to say the whole world has been contanimated.”

            BRH,
            Yeah, and we are really paying the price…live to 75-80 years old and then start dying like flies….

          • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

            E

            I was thinking more in terms of birth defects and autism.

            Brh

          • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 8:56 pm #

            BRH,
            Well…maybe. The book I finished on the Chernobyl incident described a town of Pripiet, over 100K population, completely inundated with highly radioactive ash…just a few miles from the plant. They eventually, after a few weeks, vacated the whole area, but not before everyone, children included, got a healthy dose of radiation.

            Postscript in the book did not suggest that the population suffered bigley* over the years….many of the then adults lived into their dotage.

            *significantly

    • Exscotticus June 17, 2019 at 8:22 pm #

      @Elrond, maybe we should stick with Obama’s appeasement plan and send Iran another secret cargo plane full of pallets of cash.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 18, 2019 at 9:23 am #

        Exscotticus, I’ll offer you some recommended reading: America’s War for the Greater Middle East by Andrew Bacevich. It’s just what it says on the tin: not a polemic, just a history of America’s military activities in and around the Middle East from around the mid-1970s to now, written by a retired U.S. Army colonel.

        If you want to have a discussion about what the word ‘appeasement’ is supposed to mean with respect to any U.S. president’s dealings with Iran or any other Middle Eastern political actor, you’ll need to show me you’re conversant with what Bacevich has to say first. Spoiler alert: I consider appeasement as applied to the Middle East not just meaningless, but an eye-rollingly tendentious piece of propaganda.

        • Exscotticus June 18, 2019 at 10:36 am #

          >>> If you want to… you’ll need to show me…

          I could just as easily demand that you prove you’ve studied both the socratics and presocratics and can demonstrate a basic understanding of deductive, inductive, and abductive reasoning. Why argue with someone who insists that 2 + 2 = 5?

          The fact that you think “the Middle East” is some unified whole with any more meaning than a geographical designation demonstrates profound ignorance right out of the gate. You could just as easily compile a book’s worth of Iranian blunders in the Middle East. Or Iraqi blunders. Or Turkish blunders. Or Arabian blunders. And before that: Ottoman blunders. And this is even before the USA got itself involved to secure its oil interests.

          The rule is quite simple: Muslims, keep on doing what you’ve been doing for hundreds of years—killing each other. Just don’t attack our bases, ships, or personel, and don’t impede the oil industry. The spice must flow.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 18, 2019 at 2:47 pm #

            But… but it’s the stomping around like we own the place that makes them not like us…

            Oh, never mind.

          • Exscotticus June 18, 2019 at 4:01 pm #

            I see. So if we just followed Iran’s example and funded clandestine terrorist organizations—nothing overt!—all would be well? Meanwhile, Iran’s doing their fair share of stomping around as well. What gives them any more right to do so?

            And how is any of this a justification for the attacks on the tankers?

      • Majella June 19, 2019 at 6:45 pm #

        Exscotticus

        Ah, yes…a trend started by Shrub & Darth Cheney, funding insurgents in Iraq that later evolved into Isis. Brilliant. It worked really well in Afghanistan in the 80s, so why not go again?

        On the other hand, your ‘secret cargo plane full of pallets of cash’ is totally bogus and has been debunked six ways to Sunday. Your repeating this BS simply serves to underline just how gullible you are to Trump’s ridiculous claims & Fox News tropes.

        The $150 billion released on signing the ‘horrible’ deal, was an unfreezing of assets seized under the US sanctions. Maybe some Franklins were shipped over too, but that was neither secret nor ‘pallet’ loads.

        However, don’t let any facts get in the way of your Trump Delusion Syndrome.

    • Majella June 17, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

      Here’s how he ‘negotiates’ –

      “The deal steadily has unraveled since the Trump administration pulled America out of the accord last year and re-imposed tough economic sanctions on Iran, deeply cutting into its sale of crude oil abroad and sending its economy into freefall. Europe so far has been unable to offer Iran a way around the U.S. sanctions.”

      Really clever – make life intolerably shitty for the Iranian population and s win hearts & minds. What a nasty little loser he is.

  13. JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 10:44 am #

    One needs to find a force in the US that can offset the gimme attitude pervading the country. Our electorate is becoming more and more gimme by Deep State design, they pass laws designed to increase their power and the laws allow more and more drift to the left as the Deep State promises the impossible to an electorate too stupid to realize they are being grifted.

    Do not give one idealistic thought to the politicos of the Deep State. They do not give one damn about the plight of the folks. They are after raw power and are willing to prostitute themselves and all the rest of us to get their way.

    It is too late. There is not a force strong enough to offset the gimme revolution. Won’t it be sweet to watch all the gimmes being rewarded for their loyalty by a knife in the economic back by a group of hucksters that have no way of fulfilling their BS promises.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 10:47 am #

      One needs to find a force in the US that can offset the gimme attitude pervading the country.

      You do realize that we live in a capitalist society, don’t you JAZ? “Gimme” is pretty much our entire raison d’être.

      • JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 11:09 am #

        Gimme refers to the welfare state that is being encouraged.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

          The two go together. Money is everything. The losers are left jobless and starving so they will do what they need to do. As would you. Pride is a luxury by and large. Unfortunately, so is morality – by and large.

          You see refuse to see that the “market” is just the Law of the Jungle and not a well tended garden. But We do see, and we would make it so – the Capitalists and the Communists be damned. Even the Democratic Socialists are better – since at least acknowledge there is a problem and they have a solution, namely balance. It doesn’t rise to the Spirit as we would, but it’s something compared to your nothing.

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 12:27 am #

            One could argue that “free market capitalism” was the creation of a group which shall remain nameless. They wanted to break the power of artisan guilds and trade associations to regulate product quality and prices.

            They also opposed and evaded the Church’s ban on usury, claiming such a ban impeded business expansion. Eventually, they discovered fractional reserve banking and then it was off to the races, raking in unearned wealth.

      • Exscotticus June 17, 2019 at 8:51 pm #

        >>> You do realize that we live in a capitalist society, don’t you JAZ? “Gimme” is pretty much our entire raison d’être.

        Looks like someone swallowed the socialist Kool-Aid.

        Feel free to quote Adam Smith where he defines capitalism as welfarism.

        I don’t want what I didn’t earn; I want to keep what I did earn. That OK with you? At what point does taxation become slavery? Legally, there’s no limit. It’s been as high as 94%.

        • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 9:37 am #

          We don’t live in a capitalist society. There is no “too big to fail” under true capitalism. We live under a bastardized system where big government and big corporations have combined to screw the general population back into serfdom.

          • Exscotticus June 19, 2019 at 4:24 pm #

            >>> There is no “too big to fail” under true capitalism.

            Not true. Read Adam Smith, where he talks about monopolies and the need for government to ensure fair markets.

            When Obama decided to give banksters a free pass, I didn’t see any outrage from the Left. We get the government we deserve.

    • jdhines June 17, 2019 at 10:54 am #

      John, how would classify the tax (gimme) breaks to the wealthy and corporate america that Trump and the republicans ushered in? Is that Deep State Globalists, or good old Right Wingers serving the rich?

      • JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 11:13 am #

        Jd

        Remember that the backbone of our pension and 401k retirement systems is the stock and bond markets. If your retirement plan needs support, you better be hoping those corporations do well.

        • jdhines June 17, 2019 at 11:59 am #

          John, you have a valid point there. I do want my 401k to grow, no doubt about that. I just don’t want to subsidize their tax cuts, so it is a bit of a dilemma.

          I do like real Capitalism, but I’m not too fond of private profits and public losses, such as was offered up during the bank bailouts. I also think executive pay could stand a bit more progressive taxation and raising of the social security tax of $128,400.

          Quick factoids = 1. Median-salaried employees in all but six companies of the top 225 companie would need to work for 45 years to earn what their CEO makes in one year. 2. At 188 of the 225 companies analyzed by the researchers a single CEO’s pay could be used to pay more than 100 workers.

          • jdhines June 17, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

            That is a bit much when we are already living in the “Gilded Age 2.0” and have record debt/deficits, I believe, but I may be wrong.

        • Majella June 19, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

          ..but that doesn’t answer the question. The corporations in question were doing just fine…how is their ‘doing better’ by paying less and less tax good for jdhines?

  14. patrickd June 17, 2019 at 10:50 am #

    “There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.”

    I totally agree with that!

    Sometimes, it’s better to wipe the slate clean and start over.

    Let the US dissolve, or collapse, or be blown back to thte stone age itself, or be invaded by Russia or China, and occupied, with justice then administered to the crew of criminals running this place.

    Then the people, freed of their criminal overlords, can figure out how to live on this land.

    One way or the other, the US has to come to an end, hopefully before it blows up the planet, signs of which Russia is diligently looking for, in order to intervene and stop it.

    • JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 11:15 am #

      In case you haven’t noticed the southern border, we have already been invaded to the point of no return.

      • Majella June 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm #

        ICE reports that it has 53,000 currently held in custody. What ‘point of no return’?

  15. Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 10:51 am #

    Ultimately, I think too many Americans are incapable of critical thinking and lack the skills to do so having not learned this or engaged in it. Thus they only “understand” what they are told by whatever media they subscribe to be it the NYT, FOX news, their twitter feed or websites that traffic in conspiracy theories.

    A friend is a supporter of Bernie Sanders. I support Trump(as opposed to any of the Democratic candidates). The odd thing is, she and I have similar beliefs on a whole host of issues and many of the views she has are not held by Sanders but hew much closer to a Conservative Republican viewpoint. Yet because she has “always” supported Bernie(she lives in Vermont) she just assumes that she should continue to do so and that he represents her way of thinking, which he really does not. So given that I’d suppose she has a lot of company, many people “support” various candidates or that we should impeach Trump or that “the Russians did it” when in fact they have no clue.

    • JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 11:16 am #

      Oxymoron

      Intelligent voter.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:04 pm #

      Trump? How does that fit in with your green and liberal beliefs? Oh they are “trumped” by your Zionism. Ok, got it.

      Bernie’s not bad. Remember, he said Whites don’t know what it means to be poor. Not too shabby! This boy knows which side his bagel is buttered on. Remember, Trotsky and Rothschild used to have brunch together and play chess. In Judaism, all such differences are of no ultimate account.

      • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 6:44 pm #

        My “liberal beliefs”?

  16. teddyboy46 June 17, 2019 at 10:58 am #

    JHK , one of your best essays my friend. Especially the 2nd paragraph . ” The truth are like ornaments to be arranged to fit the story. ” I have talked to so many people that think that way it is scary.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:09 pm #

      Yes, they “believe” in Science – Green Science that is. Wicca in other words. How can Mama Earth keeping giving if she isn’t fed? And she wants blood…..

      The Masculine equivalent is the Solar Cults who felt that the Sun needed blood or He would go away, leaving them to freeze in the dark. Thus did the Aztecs pervert Quetzcoatl’s Religion of Love. Offering your heart up to the Sun became cutting someone else’s heart out and holding it up.

  17. 4014HAMPHEDGE June 17, 2019 at 11:02 am #

    “I Am the way and the TRUTH and the life”. The biggest T of all. His original, (Executive Summary) version of a long emergency can be seen in Matthew Chapter 24.

    Coincidentally, in line with JHK prescient writings in THE LONG EMERGENCY; America digs in for T for Troposphere EMP events bringing famine. Incompetent, cowardly and downright corrupt dealings with China, Iran & PDRK by elected ones and shortsighted shareholders for decades have brought America to the precipice requiring Famine Hedge (food distribution) transport mode shift.

    Retrograde as it seems, all due haste rehab of dormant agriculture district rail branch lines is paramount in the solution set. Robust food distribution is an existential subject in Kunstler’s books of warning, whether or not he spelled it out. He left room for a friend of the court…

    Beyond debate, so interested parties of means can determine their own locales’ rust streak or “Rails To Trails” strategic railway rebuild and talk to American Short Line Regional Railroad Association regarding ways & means of doing what’s needed, branch by branch. The page proprietor knows how to reach rail savants.

    Do you have the nerve and skill to form a consortium for purpose of rebuilding an ag district branch line railway? Plenty to choose from.

    • Walter B June 17, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      You can believe in Him or not and you can argue in His behalf or you can against Him, but it cannot be argued that the example that He set for us all was not the only way that it can all work our well in the end. You may argue that this can never happen because it only takes a couple of assholes to screw it all up, and that I cannot argue with. However, it can never be argued that human endeavor does not work out for the best when we work together for a common good, and not against one another out of selfishness and greed.

      • Cavepainter June 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

        Wrong Walter: More to do with the construct of personal identity as shaped by culturally inculcated values and beliefs. In secular societies you could say fashion — as in “wanting to fit in”. We’re social animals so status seeking is innate, one way or the other. Tragically though, as evidenced by celebrity magazines, capacity for intellectually sorting through the social milieu toward more coherent reconciliation between “reality” reasoned behavior isn’t…..well, equal.

  18. tractorguy June 17, 2019 at 11:03 am #

    Another “truth” that has gone out the window is the physical facts of a person’s DNA and genitalia no longer matter to determine their gender.

  19. Robert White June 17, 2019 at 11:15 am #

    By far the biggest Oligarch via AUM that patronized the Clinton Foundation for HRC speech time was Wall Street’s own Goldman Sachs who gave HRC & Foundation $750 million for HRC bobbleheadedness & coughing fits pre-election. The Russian Federation ‘oligarchs’ pale in comparison, frankly.

    The long emergency of ‘Truth’ with a capital ‘T’ cannot bear conflict or indecision. Indeterminancy between sovereign nations along lines of macroeconomics & geopolitics seems to follow the same reasoned path as anything that is in a state of flux. Truth follows the same course as consensus theory. Majority rule tends to conduct the operationalization to define what constitutes meaning and it is an epistemological pursuit that seems to never end.

    Knowing that some gifted intellectuals in America can see that intellectualism may have been lost on America is enough to feel safe that some have their eyes on the ball across the fence from Canada. The ruling caste/Oligopolists seem to want dynastic tenure shared between democrat & republican lineage but there is a third option in politics that is always ignored at the behest of the media barons & their oligopolist betters that comprise that consortium of fools in powerlessness.

    When chaos reigns supreme politically consensus & non-partisanship circles the drain right along with diplomacy too.

    In a world made by the hands that brought us the long emergency we can see that truth was not part of their ministry.

    RW

  20. malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:15 am #

    amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/17/politics/trump-heights-golan-settlement-us-israel-scli-intl/index.html

    They named a neighborhood after Trump.

    • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 11:58 am #

      It’s currently just a sign. No actual community. But there is a really sweet children’s playground in Kiryat Yam in the north which is called Park Trump.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

        It’s calling you, Gal. When was the last time a Kibbutz was founded? The really sweet playground is already there….

        • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

          The “really sweet playground” is in a city filled with Russian immigrants. Seriously. Could not make this up…….. 😉

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 11:40 pm #

            Russians? Or Russian Jews? Not the same thing….

  21. par4 June 17, 2019 at 11:17 am #

    ‘Greta Garbo of jurisprudence’ deserves an award. Thanks for that.

  22. malthuss June 17, 2019 at 11:18 am #

    I think Trump was put up as a candidate to suck the oxygen out of any genuine populist/right candidate. He probably wasn’t even expected to win. Now that he’s in, his job is to do as many favors for Israel and Wall $treet while running out the clock by stringing the MAGAtards along. I always said – “Vote for the guy but don’t fall in love with him”. Now I actually hope he’s impeached but he won’t be because he has been so useful to the Israel/Banking crowd.

    I just read that ICE is setting up special facilities that offer medical, dental and counseling services in El Paso for transgender migrants.

    –Via SBPDL

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

      He’s not going anywhere. He’s the perfect foil for the useless Dems, so they can piss and moan for another four years while “the evil Republicans” continue to sell everything off to the highest bidder. Both parties are in on the take. The Israeli’s pay well.

  23. RB June 17, 2019 at 11:19 am #

    There will be war. There must be war. Israel cannot allow nuclear weapons in hands of Iran. Neither can Saudi Arabia. Consequently look for a 9/11 event to kick things off. Unfortunately, the Pentagon is not into war fighting. It is in business to enrich a handful of people and it does that job really well. But while everyone is looking at nuclear threats they miss the most powerful WMD that being biologicals. Genetic manipulation is relatively simple with a small footprint. During the flu pandemic of 1918 +/- some towns in the USA closed the roads to self quarantine. Find a small town as isolated as possible from metro areas and hope local leadership to prevail. Do you have a smallpox vaccination? Do you have Cipro on hand for anthrax? Can you treat cholera? Or are you going to look for FEMA? In reality, most by far believe that government will be there to fix things. Uh huh. Fundamentally, arrogance is our worst enemy and is reflected in an attitude that something awful won’t happen because, well, because I cannot envision it. I wonder what the guy was thinking as he was headed for the ground from 102 stories on 9/11?

  24. BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 11:42 am #

    Yes, the LE is full of surprises,

    Just today the UK announced all advertising , public discourse and education must be ‘Gender Neutral’, that is no longer can the words boy and girl, man and woman be used in a traditional context, for example, if your retail ad shows somebody pushing a baby carriage down the street, it had better be a man doing the pushing. Conversely, if you are selling chainsaws, your ad had better feature a women wielding the saw.

    Apparently, these new speech codes will be strictly enforced.

    Brh

    • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

      brh

      I think you made most of that up. I have searched and failed to find any proposals about gender neutrality in either public discourse or education, either today or recently.

      I did manage to find information about the attempt to prevent gender stereotyping in advertising, which I hope we can agree isn’t the same as seeing a woman pushing a pram or a man using a chainsaw.

      So here’s what I found:

      Scenarios in ads likely to be problematic under the new rule include:

      An ad that depicts a man with his feet up and family members creating mess around a home while a woman is solely responsible for cleaning up the mess.

      An ad that depicts a man or a woman failing to achieve a task specifically because of their gender e.g. a man’s inability to change nappies; a woman’s inability to park a car.

      Where an ad features a person with a physique that does not match an ideal stereotypically associated with their gender, the ad should not imply that their physique is a significant reason for them not being successful, for example in their romantic or social lives.

      An ad that seeks to emphasise the contrast between a boy’s stereotypical personality (e.g. daring) with a girl’s stereotypical personality (e.g. caring) needs to be handled with care.

      An ad aimed at new mums which suggests that looking attractive or keeping a home pristine is a priority over other factors such as their emotional wellbeing.

      An ad that belittles a man for carrying out stereotypically ‘female’ roles or tasks.

      The rule and its supporting guidance doesn’t stop ads from featuring:

      A woman doing the shopping or a man doing DIY.

      Glamorous, attractive, successful, aspirational or healthy people or lifestyles.

      One gender only, including in ads for products developed for and aimed at one gender.

      Gender stereotypes as a means to challenge their negative effects.”

      Note in particular the first one in the second list, brh, i.e. that nothing is stopping advertisers from showing a woman shopping or a man doing DIY. Hence you won’t have a problem, if you ever summon up the nerve to come over here, finding adverts where women are pushing prams or men using saws.

      I hope I’ve cleared that up, brh. I know you wouldn’t want to be disseminating untruths.

      As for ‘no longer can the words boy and girl, man and woman be used in a traditional context’, I think I can take it you’re really not that gullible, although how would I know, really?

      • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

        And I was hoping not to comment at all, brh, so I’m being to think you weren’t kidding the other day when you said ‘I just post shit to get GA worked up’.

        Although it takes a lot more than that to get me worked up. But I am mildly annoyed that you drew me in by posting nonsense and I let you.

        A second drink, if I visit, served with an appropriate air of contrition, will make us quits though. I don’t hold grudges. Perhaps be more careful with detail in future or you will end up having to buy me the entire establishment.

        • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 3:48 pm #

          Hi GA,

          Just who or what is proposing these rules? Some governmental bureau, an Association of Advertisers, George Soros, the EU?

          Your attitude seems to be “Oh don’t be a silly boy, these rules aren’t so extreme.”

          My attitude is why do we need rules imposed from on high to govern our speech at all? Let the market place of ideas prevail, not some board of social engineers. (This isn’t about obscenities but social behavior.)

          Who are they to tell us how to think and act?
          Anyone who craves that kind of power probably has some serious psychological issues, don’t you think?

          The PC crowd has even tried to get into the stand-up comic business, making sure nothing offensive is said on stage. This may come as a horrible shock to some – but the heart of comedy is ridicule, unkind remarks, mockery.

          Perhaps, society has to take a big step backwards and hide the satire of the rich and powerful in nursery rhymes.

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

            Hello hm

            “Who are they to tell us how to think and act?”

            My understanding, such as it is, is that these are rules only for advertisers, in reaction to prevailing stereotypes in adverts. I don’t understand why this is being extrapolated into a ‘free speech’ issue. Nobody stopped The Daily Mail from saying what they thought. Nobody is forcing people to watch the adverts. I pay them little attention, no matter how daft they are, but I certainly don’t look at them as a reflection of real life.

            The people who complain to the Advertising Standards Authority about adverts are members of the public. Do you not want them to engage in free speech to the ASA to say, among other things, that they don’t like certain advertising stereotypes being perpetuated?

            If people feel they are seeing too many blond women in adverts married to swarthy men with fuzzy hair, I have every confidence in their ability to contact the ASA themselves and say so. The last thing advertisers want to do is piss off the public – it affects their revenues. There have been examples in the past of advertising campaigns that have done exactly that.

            I don’t have a particular view on the examples – I find the British viewing public is savvy enough to have picked out clichés and nonsense from adverts for decades.

            Some of the adverts from the 50s and 60s are absolutely hilarious, projecting as they did the stereotypes that were pervasive at the time.

            A small example might be housewives in 50s flouncy dresses having a wonderful time polishing surfaces that didn’t need polishing and not worrying their pretty little heads about anything ‘important’, because that was men’s thing.

            Only while the men had been at war who the heck was working in the factories and on the farms? It certainly wasn’t women who resembled the dimwitted airheads shown spending their days making things shiny. It was real women wearing trousers and boots.

            Maybe you’d like to go back to a time when you could show kids how cool smoking was in TV adverts.

          • Majella June 17, 2019 at 9:25 pm #

            Hahaha! Great response, Green Alba. Thanks, sums it up perfectly.

            I also stand in continued amazement at the nefarious things George Soros is constantly getting up to – so old, so rich and so much time on his hands!

          • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:45 pm #

            GA, Of course, I think everyone has a right to complain about what they see in advertisements. But don’t mistake the agenda of some elitist, radical social activists with the general public.

            You say these rules are not directed at us. But they are for advertisers who will then mold public perceptions. So ultimately, the rules are targeted at us and intended to sculpt social norms and attitudes.

            You seem to think it’s a good idea if the Powers That Be direct the creative efforts of advertisers. How about the same people tell novelists what they can and cannot write? Perhaps they should oversee the work of sculptors and painters, smashing and burning unacceptable works. Perhaps all forms of art should be stamped and approved by the authorities. Why not? What’s the difference?

            You scare me sometimes, GA. You are so comfortable with that whole Huxley Brave New World paradigm. Those few at the top mold and control, indoctrinate and brainwash the masses. Oh happy day!

            Supporting freedom of expression, doesn’t mean I want cigarette commercials directed at children. Although even that would be preferable to the Orwellian, iron booted, cultural police you embrace.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 6:14 am #

            hm

            That pretty much encapsulates the various degrees of nonsense that get directed my way on here.

            I worry about MI5 being able to read anything I write or watch everything I do. I don’t give a tinker’s cuss about idiocies in adverts. If people are so stupid that that’s where they get their social cues, they deserve what they get. So guidelines propose that you can’t have a man with his feet up and kids throwing rubbish all over the room while the household skivvy cleans up after them, and that’s what you’re worried about instead of the whole insidious framework of adverts telling us we need to buy their endless shite in the first place.

            Like I said, hm, I pay them no mind. I switch off and think about something else when they come on. But it seems to me that you’re only worried about the supposed social agenda now when you don’t like it, but you were perfectly happy with the social agenda the adverts disseminated for decades before that because it suited your world view.

            I figured out my own world view over decades and I’m still engaged in that, thanks. Adverts play no part in that except for my exasperation that they’re interrupting something serious and/or interesting that I’m watching.

            And you haven’t said which of those individual items in that list you find offensive or why.

            I imagine you’d have been very happy in 1945 when the women were kicked out of the factory, farming and retail management jobs they were doing and told to f*ck off back to their feather dusters. Wearing flouncy dresses so that they could look like a poor man’s Hollywood fantasy for their husbands. Would you have complained about the stereotypes? I somehow don’t think so.

            And stop making up Orwellian nonsense about what I think – you’re as bad as Janos.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 6:49 am #

            And when I say I switch off I don’t mean the telly, although I am amazingly able to do that too. I mean I think about something else, or I may even wonder, yet again, at the idiocy of the advert. That’s the great thing about having a mind of your own.

          • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 8:23 am #

            Majella seemingly unaware of Open Society Foundations.

            But plenty of characters devoted to snark. Naturally.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 10:12 am #

            hmuller

            “How about the same people tell novelists what they can and cannot write? Perhaps they should oversee the work of sculptors and painters, smashing and burning unacceptable works. Perhaps all forms of art should be stamped and approved by the authorities.”

            Not at all – that would be a ridiculous proposition and I’m happy that people can now read Lady Chatterley’s Lover if they want to. And that the Index Librorum Prohibitorum which told Catholics what they could and couldn’t read, was abolished in 1966. And, while Salman Rushdie’s work isn’t for me, I find it abhorrent that his life should have been threatened by a fatwa from a foreign religious crackpot for writing Satanic Verses.

            But I find comparing such real attacks on real artistic freedom with restricting the automatic rights of advertisers to brainwash people with damaging stereotypes a bit of a stretch.

            I get that you prefer that advertisers (being sacrosanct representatives of the consumerist model of society) have free rein to mould people’s views according to the values that will help sell their particular product. And that you oppose any attempt to confront any harmful stereotypes this may involve. Fine, it’s a point of view.

            “Those few at the top mold and control, indoctrinate and brainwash the masses. Oh happy day!”

            I was very thoroughly indoctrinated as a child and a teenager, hm, and it took me many decades to free myself from that indoctrination.

            Happy day indeed. Although those of us who spend most of our time thinking (and worrying) tend not to be the happiest and most carefree of people.

            Or as Meera Syal’s novel title put it ‘Life isn’t all ha ha hee hee.

            No, it most certainly isn’t.

          • Majella June 18, 2019 at 7:51 pm #

            Nightowl – I’m well aware of the OSF.

            For those who may not be:

            “The Open Society Foundations, founded by George Soros, are the world’s largest private funder of independent groups working for justice, democratic governance, and human rights. George Soros opened his first international foundation in Hungary in 1984. Today, the Open Society Foundations support a vast array of projects in more than 120 countries, providing hundreds of grants every year through a network of national and regional foundations and offices.”

            If you look at the timeline of various public initiatives one would surely be hard-pressed to see an ‘evil’ agenda at work here:

            (opensocietyfoundations.org/who-we-are/our-history)

            unless one sees the words “working for justice, democratic governance, and human rights” as some sort of evil intent.

            So, nightowl, can you please explain what you have against justice, democratic governance and human rights?

          • hmuller June 18, 2019 at 11:55 pm #

            Majella, You can’t possibly be so naive as to take pretty words from some organization’s self-description and think that must be what they are all about.

            Is there any organization which declares its bad intentions?. Name any group you personally hate, and I guarantee you its mission statement is full of high and noble language.

            I’m just stating that as an obvious, general truth here.

            Maybe what George Soros does is fine with you. I’ve found it’s a wasted effort to argue with some people about values, good and bad, right and wrong..

          • Nightowl June 19, 2019 at 3:41 am #

            Maj,

            I am all for justice, human rights, etc.

            But when you consider Soros backed color revolutions, including the one he is trying to push via the Clintons (the Purple Revolution), his checkered financial past, his assiatance to the Sturmabteilung in dispossessing Jews of property in his youth (and lack of any regret; see interview), OSF’s push for globalist policies that centralize power and force “movement of labor” and the dissolution of national borders and shared cultural values via subversive propaganda and anti-government NGOs, then one may want to reconsider whether the rhetoric matches the actions.

            It’s sort of like when Fox News branded itself “Fair and Balanced” in the Shrub era. Words are meaningless when actions don’t match.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:08 am #

            Here:
            youtu.be/OFy_X6IVmkc

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:11 am #

            I don’t expect hmuller or nightowl will actually look at it (well, maybe nightowl will, he still has a modicum of balance in his views) but I’d love to be proved wrong – post a rebuttal!

            Again

            youtu.be/OFy_X6IVmkc

      • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 1:13 pm #

        You must have nothing better to do.
        a lot of time on yr hands.

        • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

          Took me five minutes, malthuss. Do you think I type with my toes?

        • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

          Not that my time management is remotely your business.

          • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:10 pm #

            I meant the research, the knowledge.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

        Pretty stringent. In other words, he’s far more right than wrong. How long before we are prosecuted for not finding Trannies attractive?

        You just made his case. As ever, I’m amazed at your inability to see things like that.

        • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm #

          Just what I’d expect from your level of reading comprehension, Janos.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:28 pm #

            What? They are bearing down hard at what is acceptable. And in so doing they are twisting reality out of shape with gender neutrality. That’s what he said and that’s what you showed they are doing.

            You lack comprehension – even of your own mind and actions.

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 1:44 pm #

            I can see why you’d be happy with the scenario of the bloke sitting 1950s style with his feet up while the kids throw stuff all over the place and the wife cleans up everyone’s mess like a skivvy.

            My dad was born in 1910 and he didn’t behave like that even in the 50s.

            There’s nothing there about gender neutrality. You’re far gone, Janos.

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 1:48 pm #

            And I’ve just re-read brh’s post. There’s not one accurate sentence in it and brh knows that even if you don’t.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 2:59 pm #

            Your BBC doesn’t believe gender exists or that it has nothing to do with biological reality. Don’t split split hairs – you need to get a perm.

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 3:04 pm #

            Janos, your tiresome nonsense is tiresome.

        • Slugoon June 17, 2019 at 3:56 pm #

          You’re actually onto something there, Janos:
          digitalspy.com/tv/reality-tv/a27713231/love-island-racism-hair-yewande-biala-marcel-samira/

          If you don’t find black girls or boys attractive these days you are guilty of ‘unconscious racism’.

          Just read the ‘tweets’ in the article linked hereto for a large helping of victimhood.

          • messianicdruid June 18, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

            “Oh they are “trumped” by your Zionism. Ok, got it… In Judaism, all such differences are of no ultimate account.”

            You are almost to the point that everyone that votes is complicit.

            I would hear a good argument that these are different.

            Now, concerning knowledge of poverty ..

      • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:06 am #

        hmuller and nightowl

        I expect you won’t look at this posted video, but prove me wrong and post a rebuttal:

        youtu.be/OFy_X6IVmkc

        • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:07 am #

          …and I’d be interested to know how the ‘Color Revolutions’ were in any evil, or you actually a ‘commie sympathiser’ nightowl?

        • hmuller June 20, 2019 at 9:02 am #

          Congratulations Majella,

          You were able to find a pro-Soros video on YouTube. You must be so proud. And It must be true. Don’t the moguls of silicon valley protect us from all false videos? I’ll bet Soros can pay for a new video like it every day.

          Did you notice it had 2.8 thousand down votes and 2.8 thousand up votes. Most videos get overwhelming up votes. There must be other deluded people like me who actually know what the evil reptilian has done.

          But I have better things to do than expend time educating those who refuse to learn. If you wanted to learn, you could find the material online without my help. although not easily since the censorship of the Soros lovers is now in effect.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 6:36 pm #

            hmuller

            Yes, I can find all the quasi-intellectual, CT-deranged videos about Soros, and almost anything else I wish to ‘learn’ more about, and I have seen plenty. Nothing changes the fact that they are usually little more than the baseless imaginings of sad people who feel they have lost any agency in their lives, so there must be a big bad bogey-man making it hard for them. The fact that you eventually referred to Soros as a ‘reptilian’ simply proves my point.

            But I asked for a rebuttal, but all I got was a smear and the usual tired old bullshit that you’re way smarter than me and you can’t be bothered “educating” me because I ‘refuse to learn’.

            As to being protected from ‘false videos’ – huh? There’s heaps of material you can find to engorge your empty, hated-filled heart on.

            I’m no ‘Soros lover’ – I just stand up to the ridiculous bullshit such as you and the teeming hordes of nut-job, right-wing CTers, panicked into an unsubstantiated fear, broadcast (or in most cases, re-broadcast).

            But despite all the pointers to the fact that you’re a hopeless case, I won’t give up on you, hmuller! 🙂

    • capt spaulding June 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm #

      Actually I think that politics is headed in the same direction as all the gender confusion. I see people on here defending Trump by accusing Hillary of collusion with Russia. Somehow, Hillary colluding with Russia doesn’t mean that Trump is innocent of anything. If I were Putin, I’d play both sides against each other. Making Hillary guilty doesn’t exonerate Trump of doing the same thing. Just like both sides kiss the Oligarchs asses nowadays, how can you be sure that they aren’t doing the same thing with the Russians? It isn’t as though either side really gives a damn about the voters. I think Hillary is a crook, but I also think the same thing about Trump. Both of them can be tarred by the same brush, in my book. Either way, we’re screwed, so I think it’s pretty much a guarantee that the bad times are a’comin’. People on here are smart enough to see the dysfunction, but try to blame the other side for it when both sides are equally guilty. The Republicans have always been the party of the rich, but now the same is true of the Democrats too. Pick your poison, it’s all the same in the end.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:19 pm #

        Equally guilty? Well that’s a whopper right there. But yes, your general premise is correct. The Deep State is comprised by members of both parties. They play different parts and appeal to different populations is all. A professional loser like Mitch McConell is very good at what he does – a big winner for the Elite. So what if he loses for White America? That’s his job.

    • Slugoon June 17, 2019 at 1:54 pm #

      Brh: “Apparently, these new speech codes will be strictly enforced.”

      They might not be enforced by law or by an industry watchdog but it’s entirely plausible that the ad agencies themselves will enforce them.

      dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7111087/Advertisers-trying-hard-demonstrate-diversity.html

      Would that functionally be the same thing?

      I have noticed a trend in UK advertising that families are disproportionately miscegenous, commonly featuring a white male coupled with a light brown-skinned female with an ‘afro’ type hairstyle or a black male with a blonde female.

      I couldn’t care less who gets with who, none of my business, but what does annoy me is the agenda-pushing. You just know that some sanctimonious ad executive has been cackling in its ivory tower while dreaming up the scene.

      I also note the word ‘miscegenous’ does not appear in my computer’s dictionary. Perhaps I have the language set to ‘Newspeak’.

      • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

        Slugoon

        “I have noticed a trend in UK advertising that families are disproportionately miscegenous, commonly featuring a white male coupled with a light brown-skinned female with an ‘afro’ type hairstyle or a black male with a blonde female.”

        Now, if brh had commented on that I wouldn’t have argued with it.

        But he didn’t.

        He said that ‘no longer can the words boy and girl, man and woman be used in a traditional context’, which is nonsense.

        And he said adverts couldn’t show a woman pushing a pram or a man using a chainsaw (and by extension all other similar scenarios), which is also patent nonsense.

        • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 2:04 pm #

          And I just googled ‘miscegenous’ and got the definition. Maybe my PC is less PC.

          • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

            GA, you are in the UK so you know better than I do what the new speech rules are.

            My post was not a provocation. We don’t get a lot of news from the UK but this story was unusual enough to be reported on our local CBS radio affiliate. I was repeating what was reported.

            Brh

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 3:02 pm #

            brh

            It wasn’t about speech rules – it was an attempt to remove tired stereotypes from adverts, like men being too stupid to put on a nappy or women not knowing what to do with a screwdriver.

            It hardly affects me, as adverts float across my consciousness and dissipate into the middle distance, pretty much ignored. And on the BBC, of course, we don’t have to put up with them anyway.

            I make an exception for the Irn Bru (Snowman) advert though but we only get that a few times a year 🙂

            But ‘repeating what was reported’ is now something that needs a bit of care. What was reported, in this case, was nonsense.

            And nobody has imposed any ‘new speech rules’ on me.

        • Slugoon June 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

          Nonsense it may be in theory but it’s possible that it may happen in practice nonetheless.

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

            At the moment it’s nonsense in practice, Slugoon. Anything is possible in theory, which is why people can get carried away with themselves.

            But at least it’s not Brexit.

          • Slugoon June 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

            I shall keep a note of all the adverts I see with women pushing prams and men using power tools going forward and furnish you with the results 😉

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

            I think what I’m most offended by is the use of the expression ‘going forward’, Slugoon.

            I think it features in most games of business-speak bingo 🙂 .

            Unless you were referring to the trajectory of the women pushing prams and the men using power tools…

          • GreenAlba June 17, 2019 at 6:47 pm #

            But I will fight to the death for your right to say it, naturally…

          • Slugoon June 18, 2019 at 10:14 am #

            Sorry, GA. That was ‘unconscious phraseism’ and I shall be more careful with my speech going forward.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 11:19 am #

            You don’t need to, Slugoon.

            I’ve promised to defend you to the death no matter who throws what on the carpet and whose cat eats it or who hauls what up the flagpole and and who salutes 🙂 .

          • Slugoon June 18, 2019 at 11:46 am #

            I wonder if the Downing Street cat will eat what Boris leaves on the carpet.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 12:05 pm #

            Slugoon

            Let’s hope it doesn’t have to watch over any foundlings left on his doorstep!

            Did you read Jeremy VIne’s Boris story in the Spectator?

            blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/my-boris-story/

            Best not to think too hard about how much he gets paid for those speeches. Especially since, as a result of our insistence on providing a safety net for bankers, it’s really us paying him.

            I like someone’s comment on the other night’s debate between the runners up: five guys all being interviewed for a job that’s already gone.

        • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 8:45 pm #

          Marine Veteran accidentally cuts off another driver. Attempted to apologize at the next light, and is then gunned down in front of one of his daughters. At least he returned fire and killed the perp. Small comfort to his girls, who won’t have a dad around.
          dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7141581/Marine-veteran-41-shot-killed-road-rage-outburst.html

          ………
          Just your latest reminder, Wakanda isn’t real.
          And the response to this reminder will be to double down with make-believe by having even more blacks in commercials, ads, TV shows and movies, who are all cool, hip, suave, and smart.
          Surely that will change the negro…any day now.
          I stopped by Kroger’s yesterday to pick up a few items about the store. Every other aisle had these big cardboard advertisements for some such thing or another in the store. After passing by about 5 of these things, it suddenly occurred to me that they all had blacks on them. I bounded back to my starting point to look at them all again, and, sure enough, 4 of the 5 I had passed at that point were all filled with smiling, shiny, cool, hip and suave negroes. After making my way thru the rest of the store, out of about a dozen of these ad-signs, 9 out of 12 were nothing but blacks.
          The absurdity: this Kroger’s and my neighborhood is (thankfully) 97% white and blacks rarely, if ever, shop at this particular one.

          Many point out how inverted reality is depicted on television. Virtually every commercial on TV features either blacks lecturing white people, black doctors/scientists/millionaires, and/or interracial couples.

          Criminals and the butt of jokes are always portrayed by white men. These propagated themes are now all painfully obvious to all of us who notice.
          But there are even more subtle layers of engineering going on in the most sterile of commercials. I just saw a commercial for a anti-diabetes drug where a doctor was talking with a group of patients. What was odd was that, save for one black man, every single one of the twenty or so patients was an old white person.

          Even though blacks are known to be two to three times more likely to develop diabetes than whites, the commercial intentionally skews the demographic reality of what a group of older diabetics would look like, I guess since that could potentially be seen as portraying blacks in a negative light. If the commercial tried to accurately portray an accurate demographic distribution of diabetes in the older population, a quarter or a third of the patients in the commercial should have been black. Meanwhile, in commercials for the national forests, half of the families depicted camping together are black.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 12:00 am #

            Hispanics get diabetes a lot – but typically in a form less dangerous than what Whites or Blacks get. They are healthier than Whites because of their Indian blood. And the Indians because they are related to the East Asians who are the healthiest but weakest of the Races. Yin/Yang Inner/Outer. Blacks are the strongest outwardly but the weakest inwardly.

            Military Ads are really bad too – always have to show a Black. More and more they are showing women, especially minority women. But this is a plus for the Real America since none of these groups are the soldiers that White American Men are.

          • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 12:02 am #

            Janos, I’ve heard of type 1 diabetes (people are born with it), and type 2 diabetes (people get it in middle age, usually via obesity).

            But I’ve never heard of “mild, hispanic diabetes”. Is that type 3? LOL

    • Slugoon June 17, 2019 at 2:00 pm #

      The best part in the above link is Channel 4 calling for better representation of the LBGT community. I mean, how do you portray a lesbian on the TV without falling into the stereotypes that are so frowned upon?

      Actually, I suppose you could just show two women holding hands.

      • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 8:38 pm #

        2 D-kes in Brazil just tortured and murdered that boy.
        Via Drudge.

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:29 pm #

      gawd

    • Slugoon June 18, 2019 at 11:58 am #

      Brh, you may find this of interest since you mentioned gender neutrality in our education system. I assume it’s genuine rather than staged.
      m.youtube.com/watch?v=RRyj-SZgMpc

      The Truth Versus Your Truth indeed.

  25. volodya June 17, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

    Hall of mirrors? Echo chamber? You bet. Pretty soon they’ll be wearing virtual-reality headsets feeding carefully curated “truth” from data centers so as to not disturb their easily upset equilibrium.

    It’s tempting to think that it’s “progressives” that have a reality problem but I think the malady is just as severe on the other side. You would see this on TV talk shows where pundits on the “left” are pitted against those of the “right” with both taking regular excursions into the unreal. Or read both left wing and right wing publications and you’ll see that the relationship of both with the objective truth is tangential at best.

    Of course if you’re one of the gun-clutching, hard-bitten “Right” or if you’re sympathetic to the aggrieved and victimized and Wishing-I-Was-Born-Black “Left” then you have got non-negotiable beliefs and what I just wrote is in itself a yawning untruth. Because there is TRUTH and they own it. THEY own it, not someone else. And it doesn’t matter how out of whack it is with actual happenings.

    But it’s funny how these contending opposites manage to come down on the same side of an issue in practical terms even while hurling vicious invective across the uninhabited no-man’s land between them. “Progressives” know in their guts that their political opponents are racist to their core and not only that but wage a pitiless war on women. And with “conservatives” it’s an article of faith that those leaky motherfuckers on the “left” are country-destroying perverts for whom no nakedness and sexual degradation is out of bounds.

    It’s passing strange then how each side views the issue of national borders. Both come to the same policy conclusion even while pretending to be violently at odds. Hillary tells us that Democrats are all for bridges, not walls. And guess what? Both Democrat supporters in Silicon Valley and the Republican Chamber of Commerce want exactly that. Both sides advocate for open borders for the sake of their own power and wealth and to hell with the wider public good or anybody else’s interest in the matter.

    Who was it that de-regulated Wall Street? And who declined to regulate derivatives? That paragon of progressive thought, Horn Dog Bill, that’s who. Who was it that shepherded China into the WTO and who did the same for NAFTA? Again, Billy Boy himself. How was this any different than what the Republicans would have done? Who saved Wall Street after the 2009 debacle? Why goodness me, it was that exemplar of everything that Democrats want in a President, the cerebral, analytical cool-man himself, Barry Oh. Who was it that declined to prosecute those Manhattan miscreants that took down so much of the economy? Again, Barry and his boys. Who was it that hired Wall Streeters to regulate Wall Street? You know who. How was any of this different than what the Republicans would have done?

    Of course all of the foregoing policy choices were built on misapprehension, on a framework of ideas underpinned by illogic and ignorance. Did they seriously think that China would have free elections and fall in line in the neo-liberal American-led order of things? Did they really think that the American economy could indefinitely run trade deficits in the hundreds of billions and government deficits topping a trillion? Doesn’t the “right” think that indolence is a defining characteristic of the Deplorable? Isn’t it their life goal to live on disability benefits? So how is this different from what a “progressive” thinks? Does anyone on either side notice or care how at odds they are with reality?

    Both sides of the spectrum create fog-banks of mis-information, deception and nonsense and it’s apparent and highly alarming that they believe their own bullshit. Deception is one thing but self-deception is something else. A civilization indulging in the latter is not long for this world.

    • elysianfield June 17, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

      Volodya,

      …It is a good day to die….

    • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:35 am #

      Thanks little Vlad. That is a most succinct analysis of the current situation, and it appears to be intractable.

      I’m on the socialist progressive side of the argument, but where I hail from, that’s entirely centrist. I don’t have a ‘I wish I was black’ thing going on, and am pleased to see and respond to views that are not my own. But I’m firmly on the side of FAIRNESS, which the last 40 years (since Reagan was elected) has not been on the agenda of the body politic. So, I’m NOT Antifa, not an LGBTQ hardass, not a capital D Democrat, bot against the 2nd amendment per se, not for reparations….the list is long. Yet, in a forum like this, I’m painted with almost all those brushes at one time or another, by people I find to be rigid, deliberately mis-interpretive of my words, suffering from idea-fixe and enthusiastically open to almost any conspiracy theory that resonates or enhances their ingrained narrative of how the world works.

      I know some real conservatives, with a capital R. They still hold by the rule of law and find this current administration simply repulsive and destructive. As well, it has empowered a significant minority of the deluded it to openly vent their prejudices, intolerance & hate – and a few have washed up here at CFN.

      Is there hope? I trust so. A resounding victory by the progressive left – the centrist, Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Tulsi Gabbard -level of progressives could -COULD-turn things around. If so, the rabid anti-socialist, actually working-poor Republicans (who want the Government to keep its filthy hands off their Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security) will reap the benefits of a fairer system, and possibly, just possibly, see how fucking wrong they’ve been all along.

      But then again, what could possibly go wrong?

      • benr June 20, 2019 at 9:46 am #

        You call Bernie Sanders and Warren centrist and you wonder why people paint you with an unflattering brush?

        A more fair system?
        Fair for who we the working class that get to pay for free healthcare for millions of people who can’t or won’t pay their own way through life?
        How about the fresh of the boat people being promised free health care from idiotic Gavin Newsom!

        Just how is that fair?

        My taxes after paying for everything and withholding almost 50% and you want to give away more of my sweat and tears?
        Nothing but taxed to death layer upon layer and now the progressive scum want to add carbon taxes to drive the prices further into the roof.
        So fair to you is we all live in card board boxes on the side of the road crapping into a plastic bag oh wait in California you have to pay for those now (note still available if paid for)so maybe just on the side of the road.

        Seems all progressives ever care about is getting their filthy hands in everyone’s pockets so they can funnel more money to pay for underfunded programs they then steal from.
        Your idea of fair is beyond repulsive.

        • benr June 20, 2019 at 9:53 am #

          Gee while we are at it lets look at what Progressive scum did with Obaminable care!
          Voted it in late Friday night with ZERO votes from the other side in essence rammed it through just like a dictatorship would.
          They then drove the cost of everyone’s healthcare up as much as 50% I was paying $400 a month for a family of three and now it’s over $800 for less service and far less access.

          Yea just what we need more government intrusion into healthcare and you complain about we the working class poor.
          With friends like the Democrats driving the bus over the cliff who needs enemies?

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 6:42 pm #

            Obamacare – how much was your subsidy, benr – now mostly removed of course, which explains the doubling of your premium.

            You rage against ‘paying for everyone else’ – so closed is your mind to any other possibility. Never mind. Enjoy your relative poverty and keep voting against your best interests.

        • Majella June 20, 2019 at 6:58 pm #

          No, I wouldn’t want to see YOU taxed any further – in fact, if I had any actual SAY in it, I’d see YOUR taxes reduced unless you’re earning more than $250,000 (are you?).

          The 50% figure troubles me though. You must be including all your local property taxes and local sales taxes too. On $80K with 3-person household, your combined taxes 18.1% ($14,408).

          Play with this –
          smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator#0tsNspVGsN

          Try as I might, I can’t find 50% taxes at any level of income until the gross salary/taxable income exceeds $4.4 million. I’d get a better accountant!

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 7:16 pm #

            And THIS is informative…you recently told me you’d received a huge ‘refund’ this FY, like (if I recall correctly) ‘twice as much as usual, like $4000).

            “Changes to Your Federal Income Taxes Under the 2018 Tax Reform”

            Assuming you’re on that stunningly high income of $80,000, then, according to the Cal ITC:

            Your marginal federal income tax rate changed from 15.00% to 12.00%.
            Your effective federal income tax rate changed from 9.18% to 7.92%.
            Your federal income taxes changed from $7,340 to $6,339.

            You paid $1,001 less this year, but this rate cut expires like old milk soon enough. A $4,000 actual reduction (as opposed to overpaying withholding) would have come from a taxable income of $170,000 or so. If you’re on that sort of income, you really don’t have any worries at all.

            However, if you’d been on $4.4 million, you’d have paid MORE – further proof that the Trump tax cut is for the VERY rich, not the ‘mildly rich’.

            Your marginal federal income tax rate changed from 39.60% to 37.00%.
            Your effective federal income tax rate changed from 34.63% to 35.42%.
            Your federal income taxes changed from $1,523,818 to $1,558,499.

            Also, even though its none of your business, our household (my partner & I, free of children now) paid a shade over $175,000 in taxes last FY.

            Between us, we generated $500,000 of taxable revenue, and paid accordingly. – 35% or so, whereas you with a family of 3 would have paid a shade over 18% on $80K of income.

            So, don’t bleat how you’re being dicked over at every turn – you’re already enjoying the generous ‘socialism’ of a graduated (progressive) income tax regime.

            A true libertarian society would probably have a flat sales tax on EVERYTHING of 30% (or more) and provide you with as little as you’d be willing to humiliatingly beg for.

          • benr June 21, 2019 at 10:21 am #

            @majella

            How do you NOT understand this is not about federal taxes?
            This is about state and local taxes as well as taxes on any service or goods!
            The tax scheme in California are applied in layers meaning we are taxed several times on the same product.
            Now the progressive scum in Sacramento want another nickel per gallon of gas to “pay for the roads” as if the ridiculous amount being paid already ever goes to the crumbling infrastructure in California!
            Right now California steals 35.3 cents a gallon and that is going up another nickel to almost 40 cents a gallon which is far more than the amount of profit the refiners or even the person selling the gas gets.

            The used car salesman in charge of the state had the audacity to ask why gas was so expensive in California!

            I bet even in what ever state you live in if you sat down and really started doing the math you would be out raged at just how much of your income goes for all the various taxes.
            I’m stuck in communist California for at least another three years watching thousands of dollars disappear into the greasy maw of the tax schemes being squandered on ventures like the bullet train to no where.

            Ten years after voters approved it, the project is $44 billion over budget and 13 years behind schedule and requiring a minimum of another 50 billion to complete it meaning triple that and it’s the trillion dollar train that no one in the right mind would ever use! Here’s the best part I can’t even find how much it has already cost my almost bankrupt state.

            Next question where did the 44 billion go you can bet the corrupt unions got a good share and old moonbeam for sure soaked some up but 44 billion??

            Worst part no one is going to jail and now they want to give everyone free healthcare which will be administered as well as our bullet train.
            I would like to add that Morocco managed to administer and build their very own bullet train but California is so corrupt we could not do it.

          • Majella June 21, 2019 at 11:04 pm #

            All the numbers used are Federal, FICA & State taxes. State sales taxes & local property taxes are not included, but that’s the price of living somewhere and buying stuff. Sorry about that.

            Yes, the train is a debacle. No arguments from me.

            The gas tax is still a joke. Go anywhere else in the Western world and see how you like them apples. My home country operates in litres (with 4 to the US gallon). The cost of a gallon in USD today is $5.92. Of that $2.40 is “road tax” and there’s a 15% sales tax on top – $0.77 a gallon.

            Yet it is rated among the happiest places to live in the world, with taxpayer funded healthcare & education – 8th, behind Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland and the 4 Scandinavians. (US makes 18th).

            It also has extremely well-maintained roads & other transport infrastructure. They GET what they pay for. However, it’s also 2nd on the Corruption Perception Index (behind Denmark) so it doesn’t suffer from the egregious, blatant, right-in-your-face corrupt cronyism that the US does (ranks 22nd).

            And before you tell me (again!) to just piss off back there, I repeat – don’t worry, you’ll get your wish in 4 years, or in 18 months if that Idiot-in-Chief wins again.

      • volodya June 20, 2019 at 2:01 pm #

        Well, no guff, you’re on the side of fairness. Me too. OK, that being the case, the best thing to do is entirely disengage with the main political parties both of which have got nothing but contempt for the notion. Which to your credit, you seem to be doing, maybe not being by nature a kool-aid drinker. And it’s not just political parties, it’s this contrived notion of Left and Right, both of which in my estimation ceased to have any practical use a long time ago.

        Now, you can do as you like of course. But, seeing as I myself brought up leaky motherfuckers in a prior post, for the life of me, I can’t decide which side of the political spectrum is the leakiest. I can’t. Who’s more full of shit? I don’t know. Maybe you have sharper eyes than me, or maybe your social antennae are better, or maybe your moral faculties are more fully developed.

        Maybe I have a problem reading body language or social signals. Or maybe I have a problem with reading comprehension. I read stuff and then I’m accused of understanding the opposite of what I just read. Somebody sez the word “black” and so I respond with something like “you say Black.” and I get a response back saying “No, I never said that.”

        That’s happened more than a few times. Maybe it’s just random chance but it seems to happen more in conversations with sophisticated voices on the Left and not just on this forum. “Meaning” seemingly has become this twisty-turny-cork-screwy thing where words don’t mean what a dictionary sez they mean.

        In any case, I read your commentary. And I find it interesting. I do. You’re good at self-expression and at provocation. And I agree with some, disagree with some. But I find it puzzling as to why you seem to have this idea that the “Right” are the ones with this especially pronounced character defect, people specially endowed with a capacity for prejudice and intolerance and hate. Not to mention intellectual inadequacy.

        I don’t see the Right as having any monopoly on prejudice and intolerance and hate, which you can think of as subsets of idiocy, given the garbage I’ve read and listened to coming from the “Left”. Which, seeing as we’re talking about fairness, is why I bring this up.

        I’m not sure as to why you’d call me “Little Vlad”. I really don’t care as you can think what you like. Yo, Big Vlad, should I take it as a compliment? Or do you take it as an insult?

        Anyway, the urban Left laughs at people out in the sticks, people living in hollowed out, formerly prosperous communities. And urban sophisticates crow “learn to code”.

        Learn to code? OK, well, you know what I’ve learned in my time? It’s that the world has a well developed sense of irony. And you know where this world is taking us? It’s to a place where coders will have to learn to farm.

        • Majella June 20, 2019 at 7:38 pm #

          Hi Volodya

          As I’m sure you know, your handle is an affectionate diminutive of Vladimir. Not intended as an insult, but it was pointless…

          Thanks for your perspective – a 3rd party looking over one’s shoulder & pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies is highly valuable to me.

          You’re right, I DO tend to ascribe the low-life, crazy, intolerant, racist/prejudiced labels to those in here who adhere to the ‘conservative’ banner, and I guess that’s not particularly healthy.

          The people I know IRL who identify with a conservative political position are rational, logical and we are able to discuss our opposing views without descending into vitriol. Those I know IRL who share my perspective are also rational & logical and NOT of the screaming, crazy, extreme left/liberal, Tweet-stormer anger-bots.

          I just don’t seem to cross paths with exhibits from either camp IRL.

          So, on reflection, I guess come to this forum to engage with the ‘others’ on a one-on-one basis. Strangely though, I have yet to come across any of the crazy screaming lefties in here so feared and condemned by the denizens of CFN. Oh! Wait! Sorry, I guess I’M one!

          Your attitude re the ‘left’ & ‘right’, Republican/Democrat dichotomy is right on.

          To me, it’s a divide between those who seek fairness and those who are basically selfish or tribal and fear losing ‘something’. The pity of it is they appear to have lost themselves in impotent anger and cannot engage the possibility that there is another way.

  26. DEFCON1 June 17, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

    Can’t not give a hearty nod to the new 3 Stooges (updated for the 21st century) trump, Bolton, Pompeo provided the Hyucks this time with the pathetic plate of linguine tossed up to get their much desired war with Iran off the starting block. My favorite was the grainy video (we have satellites that can read a license plate from space BTW) showing the Iranian Navy retrieving an unexploded mine. Wonderful.

    Perhaps were are getting more unwilling to accept blatant horseshit like this. Clearly trump is looking for his Wag the Dog moment – better luck next time, there Sluggo.

  27. wm5135 June 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm #

    for a little T fire up Google Earth and navigate around the Middle East. Please note the geographic proportions. Which thinking class has created a situation where one outpost of insanity is to rule the entire region? Which thinking class was able to find a purpose installing said outpost of insanity and making that the keystone to Western survival? Letting the little head do the thinking for the big head perhaps. That Qatar is a real threat to world peace.

    Now spin on around to the South China Sea and ask yourself what the f..k are we doing there? A bunch of rubes with less than 250 years of history under their belt believing they will ultimately out think a culture with more than 2000 years of history in their pocket.

    Now spin on around to North America and think about everything you have read here on this blog over the last two years.

    Now ask yourself – Did I really believe there was a need for the United States to fight a war in Southeast Asia in 1961? Personal experience indicates there has been no thinking class in my lifetime. I was 10 years of age in 1961 and yes I was aware of the “Police Action” in Viet Nam.

    Blow a hole in another tanker that ought to make things right.
    Sell some arms to Taiwan.
    Create three theatres of engagement with one 7000 miles distant and another 2000 miles distant and roughly 4000 miles separating the two. Use a base philosophy that is more or less 60 years in the making. What thinking class?

    and just exactly who is it that supports and calls for such fun? it ain’t a thinking class

    and that fellow across the street, he cares more about his dog than about your children. extrapolate that out to every single person in politics whose name you can remember.

    who do you personally know who has stopped using facebook?

    an order of steak tartare to start the banquet

  28. budizwiser June 17, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

    James,

    Nicely done. Now that we have a “fair and balanced” look at your truthy version of election intrigue – how about commenting how the “long emergency” landscape looks way down yonder in South Banana Lands?

    Say it ain’t so – the lights are out – and to think – hey this ain’t Africa!

    youtube.com/watch?v=BEo6rbYWCrA

    Just saying – things are emerging – see ??

  29. Luhrenloup June 17, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

    There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.

    Jim is finally facing a hard truth himself — There will be no justice for Russiagate. The way to win in DC when the odds are so stacked against you is to keep hammering at its opposite no matter how overwhelmingly the facts disprove it. After a while people become so confused and/or bored by the whole thing they just want it to go away.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

      Bingo. Thus Democracy is and always was a farrago. A very few people should have the right to vote at the highest level. I advocate for a graduated citizenship of degrees. But even the lowest level of voting would leave out many.

  30. beantownbill. June 17, 2019 at 2:00 pm #

    @Mountain gal:

    You are relatively new here and already sick of the anti-Jewish shit, as well as you should be. I’ve been on CFN since, what, around 2006 or 2007, and I am just about done here. I just can’t stand the bullshit any more and I don’t need it, I have a good life. I will not miss the anti-Semitic, hateful assholes like Skorenzy, Malthuss, Ol’Scratch, Tate and the others. There’s not enough of your type, Mountain gal and Marlin, to give a fair balance.

    JHK is so into fairness that he doesn’t seem to see that CFN has evolved into a prejudiced cesspit. I enjoy his writings, so I’ll continue to read his commentaries. I may even comment once in a while, but I’m basically through with the discussions and regular reading of comments. CFN is a hard habit to break, but I’m gonna give it a shot.

    Good luck to the nice people here.

    • Ol' Scratch June 17, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

      Poor, poor Jews! They’re just so persecuted! In unison now: Holocaust! Holocaust! Holocaust!

      • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

        20 million out of 8 billion.

        THE WEALTH AND POWER OF JEWS.

        There is a book, ‘How Jews do It.’

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

      Are Israelis nice? Does Israel get a lot of money from US government?

      Does Israel have 200-500 nuclear weapons YET CLAIMS TO HAVE 0?

      What of AIPAC?

    • K-Dog June 17, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

      You are in the Hotel California Beantown. You can check out but you can never leave.

      • BackRowHeckler June 17, 2019 at 5:45 pm #

        KDog

        Beantown has been nothing but a Gentleman on this site; his posts are always pertinent to Jims blog, intelligent and well written. But who would want to hang around here and have your heritage shredded and attacked every goddam day? Why bother?

        BTBill, check in here every once in awhile, my friend, keep us posted on yourself and LE advancement in Boston.

        Brh

        • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 7:43 pm #

          nonsense..he has posted many hateful comments.
          many attacking the posters, but not the facts or fallacies of their posts.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 11:41 pm #

          We’re going to have kidnap and deprogram you. Where is Ted Patrick, aka “Black Lightening”?

    • Mountain gal June 17, 2019 at 7:36 pm #

      Thanks Beantown Bill for the kind words. I’ve read JHK for years but rarely commented on or read the comments posted on his blog. I think I will return to that state of affairs. It’s sad to see what gets posted here by far too many. There are indeed intelligent and thoughtful comments by posters such as yourself but they tend to get over-run by the rest. Exactly why there’s the level of antisemitism and Israel bashing on this site is a mystery to me. I do wish JHK didn’t permit it but it’s his site and his choice. I find it incredibly juvenile though. A shame as we could really have a thoughtful discussion if that were the intent of those who posted here.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 11:53 pm #

        Your commitment to America and the First Amendment is a constant inspiration to all of us. You are a latter day Emma Lazarus.

      • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 12:26 am #

        The Sampson Option.

        • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 10:03 am #

          James Hansen nailed it perfectly. Some people will not discuss Israeli policies and actions. They simply paint nasty labels on others then storm off in a huff cursing those who are so biased and hateful they dare to criticize Israeli policies.

          From what I’ve read, even Jews in Israel criticize Israeli government policies. And I’m glad they, at least, have that right.

          • GreenAlba June 20, 2019 at 9:15 am #

            “From what I’ve read, even Jews in Israel criticize Israeli government policies. “

            They do, hm – there are lots of liberal Israelis. And many who do not support the illegal Israeli settlement of the Occupied Territories.

            Criticism of Israeli government policies is not anti-semitism.

            amnestyusa.org/lets-be-clear-israels-long-running-settlement-policy-constitutes-a-war-crime/

            Under Israeli law, settlements ‘authorized’ by the government are legal while smaller, ‘unofficial’ outposts are illegal. Sometimes the Israeli government retroactively ‘legalizes’ previously unauthorized outposts. International law does not make any such distinctions; all Israeli settlements in the OPT violate the Fourth Geneva Convention.

            None of which makes the Holocaust denial which keeps rearing its ugly head on this website any less disgusting.

    • James Hansen June 17, 2019 at 8:14 pm #

      I am critical of the Israeli government because they do a lot of things that I do not like. Being born in Brooklyn I naturally have many Jewish friends, some of them for 50 years!

      Almost all of them are critical of Israeli policies just like myself.

      If you are not able to handle any criticisms of Israel because you are too partisan then you are at fault, not the commenter’s here.

      • Majella June 17, 2019 at 11:16 pm #

        Right, Beantown Bill & James

        Too many commentators in here conflate ALL Jewish people with the Israeli government policy (of political thuggery) as if they are all Zionist &

        They make the same error in conflating corrupt establishment Democrats with progressively-minded left-wing politicians like Bernie, Elizabeth Warre & AOC et al.

        In their almost every word, they display ignorance, bloody-mindedness and intolerance.

        • benr June 18, 2019 at 9:49 am #

          @Majella

          Come on you named three names that are beyond the pale of ridiculous.
          Bernie Sanders bent over and let the DNC and Hillary ride him and then took the profits to buy himself a huge house. Sell out barely even rises to the description. His speech cadence makes him sound moronic at best and he also has shades of sounding like a lunatic.
          I don’t like the man but what was done to him by the DNC galled me. He had his chance and let people walk all over him from the DNC to angry black women yanking the mic out of his hand and taking over his rallies.

          Fauxcahantus is just that a phony. Everything about her is contrived from her using her none Cherokee status to her have beer with me right down to her policies. All the TDS afflicted think Trump is stupid but he is playing lil Liz like a fiddle at a good ol hoedown.

          AOC might be the dumbest one of the bunch there are already volumes written on this one. No need to even expand on it.

          • Majella June 18, 2019 at 8:11 pm #

            I could have written that post FOR you, benr, so misguided and predictable are your views on people – like these three – who are measurably smarter than you.

          • Nightowl June 19, 2019 at 10:36 am #

            If you want to laugh, check out AOC’s latest comments on “concentration camps.”

          • ZrCrypDiK June 25, 2019 at 10:00 am #

            TRUTH! U can’t (hahah)… There’s no truth – there’s only the ecocide *WE ALL* commit daily, 1.5 gallons gasohol *quota*. Did *U* hit yer quota?!? Good lil boiz/grlz…

            I think the only truth in my reality is that we have about 3 years left. Best summer of my life, tho – can’t argue.

            BTW, benr – you SOO funny! AOC dumbest. Even an inbred white racist *RETARD* knows that ain’t true… She’s just the thorn in your bigoted side, you imbecile.

        • benr June 18, 2019 at 8:35 pm #

          @majella

          ROTFLOL
          Just how do you measure “smart” because they regurgitate the same nonsense you believe?
          So anyone who thinks differently than you is somehow measurably dumber?
          Is it a function of “higher” education?
          Enquiring minds really want to know why you think these three brain dead simpletons are so much better at thinking than we the unwashed deplorables?
          I have been around enough cattle in my life to know bullshit when I see it and that cow patty you splattered here is pure bullshit.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 7:09 pm #

            benr –

            You try hard but really, you really have no clue.

            Why does AOC give you & the rest of the rabid right such conniptions?

            It’s fun to watch her gutting banksters et al in the House Committee sittings. Smart woman.

            She’s also eloquent – you know, speaks in whole sentences. I don’t think Donny-Dickhead has completed one in the last several years.

            You don’t like her take on things – probably several reasons, among which are most certainly NOT that she’s female (and hetero-female to boot) or Puerto Rican (brownish), right?

            As I said, you can disagree with her all you like, but calling her ‘dumb’ is pretty fecking dumb on your part.

            All of the above applies to Liz Warren too (aside from the PR extraction element…and don’t bother with the Pocahontas trope – it’s worn out).

          • benr June 20, 2019 at 10:19 am #

            @majella

            I have no clue that is rich.

            Oh by the way I asked a series of pointed questions which you failed to address, are you afraid to do so? Would that be just a little to revealing in your troll fest attempts?

            Could it be that you just don’t pay attention enough or are you really just that obtuse?

            Could it be you give her a pass because she is brown and has a vagina and spews a flawed value system that you believe in?

            My God if only she was also Muslim she could say and do anything she wanted and you would gush and froth about everything she did and said. Oh wait I have an even better one brown, muslim, transgender women in a burkha that chants death to Amerika while serving as a Senator.

            Yet If any WHITE male Republican said under the Obama regime that he was running concentration camps you would have come unglued. We all know it so don’t deny it.

            So we have come full circle to you calling me a bigot and engaging in misogynism?
            Knowing next to nothing about me simply because I am a conservative and white male it stands to reason I must be rabid rightwing and want dirty air and water and want to throw grandma off the train as well as a nasty racist.

            Shame that is all you have.
            The reality appears to be you hate men and white men even more do you have serious daddy issues?
            One would HOPE by your 70’s you would have worked through all those issues.
            Please seek help and stop projecting your flawed values or lack of them off on others.
            What happened to you in life that warped you so badly?

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 7:53 pm #

            benr

            I’d answer your “questions” if they were GENUINE questions, rather than just a series of baits that support your rabid view.

            As to misogyny and racism, I believe I said that AOC’s being a female and brown were surely NOT the reasons you don’t like her take on things.

            As to the rest of your rant, regarding how I think, it’s pretty clearly a case of pot: kettle: black wouldn’t you say?

            Oh, and no, I’m not in my 70s and I’d have trouble hating men & white men – most of my family are white and men. Your confusing me with some sort of raging, angry tweet-stormer. I just happen to disagree with you on just about everything (so far). Just a happy coincidence so I have lots of opportunities to ‘troll’ you.

            AOC would eat you alive in a debate, benr. Liz Warren would wipe the floor with you. Bernie would be smart enough to just ignore you, I’m thinking.

          • GreenAlba June 21, 2019 at 9:06 am #

            benr

            “I must… want to throw grandma off the train as well as a nasty racist.”

            Go ahead and throw off the nasty racist; keep grandma 🙂 .

            youtube.com/watch?v=bD5mnM8lEvM

  31. JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

    Jdhines

    Your comment on the corporate CEO is right on. The real collusion is in DC and their lackeys in the corporate world. Or is it vice versa. The amount of money wasted on the upper level workings of corporate America is terrible. Lobbying of Congress is no. 2.

  32. Theedrich June 17, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

    With all of the hysteria whipped up by the DeepState and Fake News media about how Satanic President Trump is, the elephants (plural) in the room go completely unnoticed, in particular the growing drug cancer. On Tuesday, 2019 Jun 11, C-SPAN (c-span.org/video/?461609-1/secretary-pompeo-testifies-international-narcotics-control-hearing) recorded a Senate Hearing on Combating Drug Trafficking. A few points made during the discussion about this existential crisis:
    Illicit drug trade in U.S.: profits $426 to $652 billion/yr
    Distribution: global and growing
    Adapts to market changes
    Deaths due to drugs (2017):
    California, 5,000;
    Texas, ~3,000, about half from synthetic opioids;
    U.S.: approaching 70,000 – 174 every day;
    globally (2015, latest): 450,000;
    # people murdered in Mexico since 2006 in connection with the drug trade: 150,000.
    In 2018, in Mexico, an estimated ? to ½ of 33,000 murders committed were drug-trafficking related, with only 21% of the cases having gone to trial.
    In 2018, National Drug Assessment: drug poisoning = leading cause of death and injury in the U.S.
    (outnumbers deaths from firearms, motor vehicles, suicide and homicide).
    # of major source or transit countries: 22, primarily in Central and South America, as well as Asia
    Domestic and transnational cartels operating in Mexico and Texas: Sinaloa; Jalisco New Generation; Gulf; Los Zetas; many others
    In the last few years, fentanyl has “skyrocketed” in prominence
    In 2018, more than 133,000 pounds of heroin, cocaine, meth and fentanyl, were seized in the U.S.
    (To date in 2019, nearly 101,000 pounds of these substances have already been seized, and we’re just halfway through the year.)
    The cartels traffic in: cocaine, heroin, fentanyl and other illegal drugs; migrants; humans for sex slavery; money laundering; counterfeit goods; etc.
    World’s largest supplier of illicit opium: Afghanistan. (Mission accomplished — after 17 years of war?)
    Migration and drug trafficking may arguably be separate issues, but when Border Patrol has been overwhelmed by this mass influx of humanity swarming into entry points, Customs and Border Protection officers have to be assigned different duties to take care of children and families; consequently, the drug cartels exploit that chaos and uncertainty to move more of their poison into the U.S. It is, thus, impossible to separate migration from drug trafficking entirely.

    Note that the “Beto” (true name: Robert Francis) O’Rourke, darling of the Leftist media, ridicules the War on Drugs and says it should be eliminated.
    And the Democratic Party, holding the House of Representatives hostage, refuses to pass laws to stop the invasion coming through the southern border. It wants more outhouse parasites imported so that the Democratic Party will be the only political party in the U.S.

    Yet the DeepState and media are more interested in pursuing foreign wars than in saving the lives of Americans at home.

    Also of note: According to ??? ??? ???? ?????, the Pentagon, through its Cyber Command, is now using cyber “implants” to attack Russia’s power grid (thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/448732-us-ramping-up-digital-attacks-on-russias-power-grid-report). (Of course, if Russia did the same to the U.S., it would be declared an act of war. See medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russia-experts-2017-prophecy-about-the-nuclear-threat-of-russiagate-is-co….) The paper also says that the Pentagonians have refrained from telling Trump about what they are doing for fear that the President might leak the information to Russia. So now we know that the “heroic” military has its own foreign policy, which supersedes that of the U.S. True democracy.

    • Majella June 17, 2019 at 11:19 pm #

      Wow. Another angry Trumpista nut-job. Just what the place needs…

    • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 10:13 am #

      It’s planned that by January 01, 2020 recreational marijuana will be legal in Illinois. I guess our Governor wants to tap that revenue source; and also give people a reason to stay in Illinois. His higher taxes (forgive me, “fair taxes”) swelled an existing exodus into a mass migration.

      As a libertarian, i’m not opposed to legalizing most drug for adults. I’m just afraid that with everyone toked up, AOC will start to make perfect sense.

      • benr June 20, 2019 at 10:21 am #

        No amount of weed smoked will make AOC make sense you have to be warped and America hating to have any faith in that empty head.

  33. Theedrich June 17, 2019 at 2:34 pm #

    Correction of typo: ??? ??? ???? ????? = The New York Times

  34. malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

    Yahoo News,

    After announcing his retirement in the ring immediately following his loss to Lyoto Machida on Friday in New York, Chael Sonnen was thanked by former referee and now interviewer John McCarthy.

    “Thank you for the way you’ve handled yourself,” McCarthy said.

    Given Sonnen’s legacy of bigotry, slander, felonious behavior, pathological lying and repeated performance-enhancing drug use, gratitude for his professional conduct seems entirely misplaced.
    Sadly, sycophancy is common in the days following Sonnen’s retirement announcement.

  35. BuckP June 17, 2019 at 3:20 pm #

    Adam Shiff (D-CA) Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, was on CNN this morning gleefully trumpeting the “Iran Did It” mantra in lockstep with the Trump admin. Both parties quickly come together when war is on the table.

    Republican Party + Democratic Party = Wall Street Party = War Party

    The Russiagate production, like the Clinton impeachment fiasco before it, is just for show so as to convince us, the American citizen, that we really have a two-party system. I’m just an old country boy, who has lived in this country for seven decades and I know for a fact that we don’t. They (establishment, MIC, MSM, deep state, elected government) lie to us everyday and have been for sometime!

    Trump, Bolton, Pompeo, Cotton, Shiff and all the other politico warmongers should send their progeny to fight and die in these banker’s wars and leave ours alone.
    To think, Trump was going to drain the swamp! He forget to tell the neocons!

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

      There are ugly rumors about Schiff on youtube. Very ugly rumors about him and human trafficking via a hotel.

  36. FincaInTheMountains June 17, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

    The war with Iran is nothing compared to this article in the New York Times regarding the preparations for sabotage of Russian Nuclear Power Reactors, and most likely all the attacks on these supertankers are the support of this article and its smoke screen, and not vice versa.

    And the HBO series on the subject of Chernobyl, in which there is not and cannot be a single word of truth, is the best confirmation of that.

  37. FincaInTheMountains June 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

    I wonder, when Bill Barr and John Durham pretty soon will start indicting and arresting high-ranking members of the Deep States, will they sing about certain rituals of the “Deep State” with help of which Hillary keeps the likes of Adam Schiff under her Iron Heel?

    As far as I know, Stanley Kubrick first openly spoke about this, who called his last film “Eyes Wide Shut” to remind us all that Deep State governs us in front of everyone, not particularly hiding, but we all do not see this because we do not want to see it.

    By the way I saw a program on American TV in which American intellectuals, invited by Charlie Rose, tried to prove to themselves that the “Deep State” rituals shown by Stanley Kubrick in the film “Eyes Wide Shut” are an allegory of the New York doctor’s relationship with his wife.

    And this program is the Dulles Plan for the United States, which allowed American intellectuals to be brainwashed, who are genuinely outraged by Trump, who forbid terrorists to come to the United States and crushing these intellectuals right on 47 Street in New York, where 75 percent of all diamonds deals are concluded in all the world.

    What are the rituals, what is the Deep State? Stanley Kubrick wanted to show the subconscious of the modern man and his wife in this way!

    By the way, American rednecks are not watching Charlie Rose, and for them the movie of Stanley Kubrick means what Stanley Kubrick meant.

    Yes, even if they watched, it would not have worked on them, since American intellectuals are specially prepared to believe such obvious lies in the first year of college in English 101 lessons.

    That is why so many educated people support Hillary.

    • Majella June 17, 2019 at 11:22 pm #

      I so enjoy reading about this amusing and contrived love-affair you have with Barr & Durham, as though they’re going to be ‘saviors’ of all the deluded and stumbling-about-in-the-dark right-wing fascist nutjobs.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 17, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

        AS Joe Sobran said, We’d be thrilled with dual loyalty.

  38. 100th Avatar June 17, 2019 at 5:51 pm #

    Delve deeper.
    What has exacerbated the intelectual dishonesty?
    The parallel reality?
    The false reality?

    Everyone knows what it is.
    Their avatars live their
    And they live their freedom through them.

    Living in the ether, in the electronic web.
    Social. In a reality that built its way from it.

    Everyone has the blue pill in their pocket and in their hands.
    Constantly getting a hit.
    In a world out of this world where big T doesn’t matter.
    Sex doesn’t exist, nor gender, race.
    Be what you like.
    Anything goes.

    Put it down. Pull the plug.
    That’s the red pill.
    It’s right there.
    Take it.
    You cannot do it.

    • Epicur June 17, 2019 at 7:19 pm #

      “What has exacerbated the inte[l]lectual dishonesty?”

      Reality is just not acceptable. Too cold, too hard, too deadly.

  39. Pucker June 17, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

    I forgot to send Bill Cosby a nice card for Father’s Day.

    • capt spaulding June 17, 2019 at 7:16 pm #

      Maybe a Puddin’ Pop too.

      • hmuller June 17, 2019 at 11:54 pm #

        I’ve sometimes wondered why Hallmark doesn’t make a card that says “Sorry I date raped you while you were passed out”. It might smooth over those awkward day-after situations.

        • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 12:13 am #

          By the way, Pucker, do you have reason to believe Bill Cosby is your father? Did your mother ever pass out after accepting a drink from him? Please, do tell.

  40. Epicur June 17, 2019 at 7:16 pm #

    “There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.”

    I’d rate it 99.9% although it is also certain that the eventual “winners” will have some preferred version that is thrust down people’s throats.

  41. 100th Avatar June 17, 2019 at 7:25 pm #

    Reality beckons
    2 shot in Toronto
    In a basketball trophy victory loop.

    Remember when Toronto was a safe city
    with the Canadians so smug in this enviable reality?

    That too shall pass

    They have released info on the culprits

    Oh no they didn’t

    Mmmmmmmhhhhmmmmmm

    • 100th Avatar June 17, 2019 at 8:20 pm #

      Finally this once vanilla land of manners, civility, and streets without horns has earned some all important street cred. The last time Canadians ran wild through the streets like that was when an overturned TimmyHo’s truck spilled Timbits ®?.

      During an NBA parade no less!

      Well mannered no more!
      Who you calling nice people, eh?

  42. JohnAZ June 17, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

    Theedrich

    You are not surprised by the drug saturation in this country.

    #1. Your MD has been telling you forever that these pills will cure what ails you. Here take a pain pill, got a cold, take an antibiotic.

    #2. The government has been soft on drugs, forever. Why? Because they are part of it. And the international financiers are using the proceeds to keep their house of cards running.

    #3. The advocates for the young, Hollywood, openly promote drugs because they are all on drugs.

    #4. Drugs are an escape for the stress filled urban lifestyle. Which is why druggies flock to the cities.

  43. Exscotticus June 17, 2019 at 8:17 pm #

    >>> …when her foundation hauled in more than $150-million from Russian business interests alone (that is, from oligarchs), not to mention the mere half-million in walking-around-money that husband Bill received for giving a single speech to a Russian banking group.

    Dems display collective amnesia when it comes to Hillary’s blatant “pay-to-play” disregard for the Emoluments Clause. Meanwhile, Dems accuse Trump of violating said clause because he, “welcomed the gift of Russian interference.” Y’all get that? Someone who supplies evidence that your political rivals are committing felony crimes has in fact “gifted” you in defiance of the Emoluments Clause. So THEY go free and YOU are the felon.

  44. Pucker June 17, 2019 at 8:27 pm #

    In the future dystopia, the people will be expected to sacrifice the Truth and to offer up their kids as human sex sacrifice through the state educational system.

    “As he had in Tlaxcala, Cortés found caged victims, including children, being held and fed for sacrifice, and he angrily broke the wooden bars and freed them. As usual, he instructed the Cholulan priests to cast aside their false gods in favor of his (who was clearly the more powerful) and subject themselves to Spanish authority.”

    Buddy Levy
    Conquistador: Hernan Cortes, King Montezuma, and the Last Stand of the Aztecs

  45. malthuss June 17, 2019 at 8:39 pm #

    OO on to the Leftist Question,

    leftist cuiture is now so well ensconced that I suspect that it is on autopilot:
    Even if Jewish representation at elite universities declined, the culture of grievance is firmly established and would be continued because it is manned by academics with other real and imagined grievances against the traditional people and culture of America.

    Further, it’s noteworthy that the Jewish movements that came to dominate the academy are not at all different from the wider Jewish community in making alliances with ethnic and sexual minorities. The organized Jewish community has made alliances with non-White ethnic groups and has championed the cause of public visibility for sexual minorities.[4] Charles Silberman notes, “American Jews are committed to cultural tolerance because of their belief—one firmly rooted in history—that Jews are safe only in a society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors, as well as a diversity of religious and ethnic groups. It is this belief, for example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming majority of U.S. Jews to endorse ‘gay rights’ and to take a liberal stance on most other so-called ‘social’ issues.”[5]

    Conspicuously missing from the list of Jewish allies are lower- and middle-class Whites. These are the groups that were most vilified by the New York Intellectuals and the Frankfurt School, and they have suffered the most by the multicultural revolution. These people are being pushed out economically and politically. They are the enraged participants in the Tea Party movement that is so visible right now and they voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. They can’t move to gated communities or send their children to all-White private schools. Their unions have been destroyed and their jobs either shipped overseas or performed by recent immigrants, legal and illegal.

    Their fortunes will continue to decline as millions more non-Whites crowd our shores. Those among them who wish to become professors will perforce have to turn their backs on the political and economic interests their own people.

    The result of this revolution is the American university as we see it now. Conservatives need not apply. And heterosexual White males should be prepared to exhibit effusive demonstrations of guilt and sympathy with their oppressed co-workers—and expect to be passed over for high-profile administrative positions in favor of the many aggrieved ethnic and sexual minorities who now dominate the university.

    [1] Seymour Lipset and Everett Ladd, “Jewish Academics in the United States: Their Achievements, Culture, and Politics,” The American Jewish Yearbook (1971): 89–128.

    [2] Harriet Zuckerman, The Scientific Elite: Nobel Laureates in the United States (New Brunswice, NJ: Transaction, 1996; orig. published 1977).

    [3] See also MacDonald, “Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement.”

    [4] Kevin MacDonald, “Jews, Blacks and Race.” In Samuel Francis (ed.) Race and the American Prospect (Atlanta, GA: The Occidental Press, 2006); Kevin MacDonald, “The ADL: Managing White Rage,” The Occidental Observer, December 7, 2009. theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-ADL.html

    [5] Charles E. Silberman, A Certain People: American Jews and Their Lives Today (New York: Summit Books, 1985), 350.

    • malthuss June 17, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

      A LA area JC is run by 9 VPs and 1 President. She is a black gal who was a diversity counselor.
      The school board, HS principle etc are all Blacks.
      One is an african. i went to his talk. He warned of fascism.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 12:12 am #

      I read someplace that the Chief of Campus Police at Evergreen has stepped down. She felt set up; charged with maintaining the safety of students and faculty but handcuffed in her ability to do so by the Administration.

      • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 10:15 am #

        Yes, I wrote about it in the previous JHK blog.

  46. PeteAtomic June 17, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

    Thanks, Jim. I like your last line of this commentary, and I think it sums up the “thinking class” in general: “There is also a pretty fair percentage chance that America is too far gone intellectually to sort all this out.”

    I’d say it is more than a fair percentage. More like the majority percentage, if anything. There is a zero sum game which power elites and powerful corporate entities are warring against the Public at large– and they represent the forces of war & control. Most of what I hear in the establishment or State media is nothing but propaganda war & control over others. There is very little thought about anything beyond surface level issues– like who can which public bathroom, when. That’s about as intellectually stimulating you get in the mass media.

    • Yes, its a pity more don’t read The New York Times.

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 2:02 am #

      No mainstream media including the NYT tells the truth. They all work for the Elite. That is why they keep the narratives so elementary. There is no room for thinking outside of the box. You will only hear what the Elite want you to think about their pet topics and projects.

      • Majella June 18, 2019 at 8:16 pm #

        So, where do you get YOUR “truth” from, SSL?

  47. FincaInTheMountains June 18, 2019 at 12:07 am #

    I personally find it difficult to imagine something more dangerous and provocative than this article

    U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

    nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html?fbclid=IwAR0HBsqriklIhpwGdKQk1Ik7iJn…

    The Chernobyl Power Plant was exploded because somebody decided to conduct an experiment, simulating disruption of power grid. And Chernobyl disaster 1986 basically shows what happens when nuclear power plants are disconnected from power grid.

    So let me ask a question: when 10-15 Chernobyls happen in Russia will they call Washington or they will press the button right away?

    HBO’s Chernobyl is a very negative factor in this situation

    • On the other hand this is a very positive indication you take the New York Times’ award winning fair and impartial journalism seriously.

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 1:26 am #

      Thank you for pointing out another broken campaign promise. DJT wanted to improve our relationship with Russia on the campaign trail. Now he is as aggressive with Russia as any other neo-con lunatic. We might as well have elected Hillary when it comes to this issue. More foreign meddling and interference. Where is MAGA?

      • Majella June 19, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

        Where is MAGA? You’ve got it, honey…this is as good as Trump can deliver:

        > No “Big Beautiful Wall” or Mexican money to pay for it
        > Hillary still not locked up
        > Jobs still headed offshore
        > Swamp as fetid as ever
        > Massive tax breaks for the uber-rich while you continue to struggle

        When I see the acronym ‘MAGA’, it immediately puts me in mind of a maggot, then I see Trump’s stupid mug blithering on about nothing sensible and I see what the maggot has pupated into – a fly on the ass of the world.

  48. SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 1:16 am #

    And so the fragmentation of society is nearly complete? I think it’s strange that Western Civ has abandoned the idea of a common reality and universal truth. Without them how do we even attempt to have civilization? If each individual really has their own truth and reality then there are billions of realities and truths. If there are billions of realities and truths then does a shared reality and actual truth exist at all? I agree with you Mr. K. This type of relativism is very dangerous. Add it to an already fractured society that is incapable of reaching consensus on what color the sky is and the outlook doesn’t seem very pleasant. The ultra-sensitive cultural environment we are now imprisoned in makes me think of that old cliche that the truth hurts. So then no wonder truth is forbidden. Someone might get offended.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 2:11 am #

      And true Culture is just the opposite: Getting people on the same page. Culture is upstream from economics and politics. And Cult or Religion is upstream from Culture.

      • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 9:47 am #

        So then we must go back to the headwaters and purify them for they have been contaminated. We need a new Cult. Something to venerate, commemorate, and that inspires. I believe this is the reason our culture has disintegrated. Because the worship of money and power doesn’t satisfy the soul or the spirit. We forgot the God Man and all He represents and then of course the idea that people should strive to reach a higher ideal in body, mind, spirit and soul was destroyed in the 20th century. So we are left drifting in an ocean of despair without guidance and hope.

    • Every day I go out in public and pretend not to notice how fuckin’ ugly people are.

      You might say that it is a dishonest way of life. But this is propriety and what makes civilization possible.

      Likewise, when the parties play hardball politics and bend the rules and fight dirty, they do their best to knock the other off balance, to create some embarrassing situation. But the parry and counter, played well results not in a called game or foul but mere continuance.

      The Russians have been inserting malware in American computer networks from the very beginning. And vice versa. It is nothing but a big game.

      Nobody is going to nuke anyone, nobody is going to be impeached, just a whole lot of posturing and pantomime and saber-rattling and bluster, with the concomitant unspoken acknowledgement that only amateurs end up in prison or worse. Come the next changing of the guard, the board will be reset, because as that baton is passed (on election night) from one chief exec to another, the private conversation, the formality, which sets the tone, that has been passed from one president to the other through the ages. The content of it is unknown, but the context suggests a sportsmanlike oath.

      Only the hoi polloi get all worked up about stuff. They’re supposed to. Without their sensitivities and emotional outrages politics wouldn’t work.

      But if its unassailable truth you want, we have the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. A bit down the scale, The New York Times. Further down, it all becomes a blur, until you get to the Flat Earth Society, right above Finca’s “War of the Roses” (which is technically a condensed science fiction genre, perhaps alternative historical fictions)

      • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:54 am #

        NYT regularly reports fake news as fact.

        At least Flat Earthers stick to theorizing.

      • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 10:24 am #

        You speak as if you are looking down upon the masses from a high place. Possibly a glass tower in the city. Sitting upon your perch and watching humanity on the streets of life. And maybe you have a connection to the Elite and their inner workings? Thus you understand their deceptions, formalities, and the ways in which they manage and govern the hoi polloi. Either way it sounds like you are a seeker of absolute Truth. Thus your respect for the natural laws of physics. You can also see the value in consensus on what Truth is. We desperately need that and I am glad you agree. Now we need those in positions of authority and power to be one with those who have no authority and power. Then we would be unstoppable.

  49. TPTB-USA June 18, 2019 at 2:39 am #

    Jim, you write: “It (the Internet) has set in motion countless recursive feedback loops of misinformation, disinformation, and ideas that are simply bad in the sense that they don’t comport with reality.”

    I would also suggest that it (the Internet) also provides a convenient way for a segment of the population to research and verify “facts” that are officially promoted, but questioned by a few.

    Back in your day as a reporter, did you feel that the officially promoted US narrative was generally an honest assessment?

    In my younger days, I was under the impression that the officially promoted communist agendas weren’t honest, but that with few exceptions, the US narrative was clean. But at this point, it is not clear if it is the opposite, or if we have just joined the club?

    So, Truth is like a bowl of chocolates, and we each get to treat ourselves to the one that looks the best?

    That doesn’t square with me for issues like RussiaGate and the following, where both sides are adamant about their evidence. Are we just supposed to remain in a peaceful animated state of suspension until the officials clean and clear all ambiguity?

    Perhaps a few need to be held accountable for their miss-deads and mis-direction?

    The truth about global warming
    youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ

    Just to let you know, I don’t enjoy reading, but I look forward to your posts where you question some of the current official narratives.

    Many thanks.

    • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 7:33 am #

      Read the Wiki trove from the DNC talking about reporters like Maggie Habermann “teeing up” stories for them.

      Check out The Intercept’s piece on Ken Dileanean (former LA Times), CIA asset. Read up on Moby’s (the musician) comments on being approached by the CIA to spread disinfo. on Trump.

      For a nice historical example, google Project Mockingbird.

      • TPTB-USA June 18, 2019 at 8:09 pm #

        Hello Nightowl,

        My basic mode of operation is to consider if the objecting argument is plausible, and if so, then I need to try and find information that refutes it. If unable to do so, and the official
        narrative appears plausible as well, then it is filed in the open issues folder.

        But in instances where it is clear that the government has engaged in mis-conduct, and a question is raised that challenges the official narrative, and a valid answer to the question is not provided, then the official narrative must be questioned, and until such time that they clean and clear all ambiguity, the government should not be allowed to impose its will on the population.

        In instances where both sides can cite misconduct by the other, then the issue gets filed in the BS folder.

        So, in the case of RussiaGate, all information is filed in the D.C. BS folder; and in the case of AGW, the burden of proof is the obligation of the government.

        To regain credibility and my trust at this point, D.C. may need to do something on the order of a fireside chat, the problem being that I don’t believe there is a person in D.C. that is fit for the job.

        Trump’s 30 hours with Stephanopoulos proves Tillerson’s claim that Trump is a moron (no offense to morons intended), and to top it off, at a time when trust and credibility is urgently needed, Israel announces plans for Trump Heights (what planet do these people live on?).

        • Nightowl June 19, 2019 at 3:51 am #

          Russiagate info. is filed in your BS folder because Mueller failed on all fronts and there is a paper trail leading to the FBI, FusionGPS, the DOJ, and Obama.

          Back on topic, my post was about journalists who are bought and paid for — like the guys and gals who fed you a Tillerson “quote” that was, like nearly everything they feed you on Trumpi, never sourced or verified by anyone.

          • TPTB-USA June 19, 2019 at 10:05 am #

            IMHO, Russiagate info. is filed in my D.C. BS folder because at best it highlights the incompetence in D.C., it highlights corruption in D.C., and it calls to question the Just-Us system of this country, where Mueller basically used blackmail and extortion tactics to get his convictions.

            On the last point, I’d be willing to bet that less than 25% of the key individuals in D.C. would be able to hold up to the scrutiny of a 2 year Mueller investigation. When it gets right down to it, how many citizens of this nation could hold up to a charge of mail fraud (do you scrutinize the terms of every contract, and user agreement)?

            “It also showed we should have never had a special counsel. We should have had an objective, neutral, nonpartisan investigative commission looking into the entire effort of Russia to intrude itself into the ’16 election and continuing to the ’20 election and proposing efforts to ameliorate that in the future. A special counsel was a terrible, terrible mistake and I think Mueller’s statement today proves that beyond any doubt.”
            realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/dershowitz_mueller_statement_revealed_he_has_motive_to_help_t…

            And, at its worst, it highlights the fact that the crowd in D.C. is not representing the people of this nation. And to top it off, its not over with yet! And, if they want to complete it, essentially they will be convicting themselves. So, where do I apply for a refund?

            Concerning the Tillerson quote, I realize that I am loosing my marbles, so I try to be careful with what I say. That being said, I saw where Tillerson originally denied it, but I have in mind that some time later I saw an interview where Tillerson himself admitted it.

          • TPTB-USA June 19, 2019 at 12:02 pm #

            Re.: Tillerson “quote”

            It looks like you got me Nightowl.

            I suspect I saw the following video clip and inferred that he admitted that he said it, because he did not deny it and put the issue to rest.

            cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/15/rex-tillerson-trump-relationship-moron-sot-sotu.cnn

            I’d like to add that Tillerson strikes me as presidential material (god help us if the population starts to emulate Trump).

    • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 8:48 am #

      “The truth about global warming
      youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ”

      Funny 🙂 The Cato Insitute is the Kochs.

      • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 9:34 am #

        The whatever Institute is Soros backed.

        Right back at ya, old gal or guy.

        • benr June 18, 2019 at 9:52 am #

          I find it odd so many Democrats hate the Koch brothers but the real evil prick in the room is Soros he has almost destroyed several countries economies enriching himself and somehow that is ok.
          The hypocrisy is insane.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 10:28 am #

            I’ve never defended Soros and I don’t defend the Kochs.

            And I’m not a Democrat. Why do you all insist on putting people into the boxes you’re comfortable with?

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 10:28 am #

            Ah, but don’t get complacent benr. The Koch brothers are indeed wicked in the same vain as Soros. Soros approaches our camp from the left and the Koch brothers approach our camp from the right. Both intend to destroy us as we are avowed enemies. And notice how the Koch brothers positions on important issues like immigration have merged with Soros’ positions. You see, they are the same after all. It is all about money and power for them.

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 10:52 am #

            Understand that these groups are at their apex of power until the USA is torn down. Trump is their #1 enemy, someone that says the USA is #1.

            The Deep State is America’s biggest enemy in its history in their incessant quest for power.

            The public’s stupidification is leading us right over the cliff.

          • benr June 18, 2019 at 10:56 am #

            @ga

            Consider GA not every comment is about you or what you say or think and I know you are not a Democrat but you identify with the insanity of Socialism or is that another box that needs to be unchecked?

            You don’t actually need to be a member of the now utterly corrupt and pointless DNC to fall under the evil of Soros or one of his color revolutions he so loves to support.

            @ssl

            Show me where the evil Koch brothers have almost brought down a countries financial system or funded a color revolution.

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 11:54 am #

            Ben the Koch brothers have stated in no uncertain terms that they are against national sovereignty and borders and will be funding open borders candidates over any candidates that are nationalist in any respect. So do you feel that is undue influence being that they are billionaires and have a massive influence in a country where corporations are people?

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

            benr

            I don’t think every comment is about me but I’m entitled to think ones written under my comments are, especially if they relate to the Kochs immediately after I’ve just mentioned them.

            ” you identify with the insanity of Socialism or is that another box that needs to be unchecked?”

            OK, which insanities of socialism do you particularly think I identify with?

            Remember they have to be both insane and socialist – just one or the other won’t qualify.

          • benr June 18, 2019 at 1:12 pm #

            @ ga

            Sorry that came off way more harsh at you than I intended.
            Written word is difficult to convey meaning without facial expression and tone.

            Since you asked I will fall back on the age old trope of free crap out of the public coffers to people that may not even pay into the system.
            Show up get benefits eventually you bankrupt the system and destroy the country that is a considerable nod to insanity.
            Knowing what has come and saying we are ___insert country it can’t happen to us___.

          • GreenAlba June 18, 2019 at 1:41 pm #

            That’s OK, benr, but I think you are extrapolating your view of me to include views that I don’t hold.

            Probably the only ‘free crap’ you’ve heard me specifically defending is our own NHS and I don’t refer to it as ‘free’, but as ‘taxpayer funded’. And I am aware of both its advantages and its disadvantages, but the advantages, in terms of overall human wellbeing (health and lack of bankruptcies) have been overwhelming. I understand that it’s not a system that would work for you and that’s fine. It may not last much longer here either, but while it flourished was a marvel of human co-operation. Much of it still is.

            Also, I have a lot of sympathy for your plight in terms of unrestricted immigration, which I have absolutely never condoned and have made clear that I don’t condone. I may be more sympathetic to the actual immigrants and refugees as human beings but I still believe your country absolutely has to control its own borders. What decisions it makes after that with regard to either aspiring immigrants or asylum seekers is another matter, but ‘control’ seems an obvious necessity to me.

          • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

            Green often comments on comments, making it difficult to directly respond to her.

            She rarely posts new news, as I did above.
            She responds, which is fine. Perhaps thats feminine in jolly olde Englande.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:43 am #

            youtu.be/OFy_X6IVmkc

      • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 4:12 pm #

        SSL,

        RE: the Kochs. Was gonna post that. It’s the global plantationists vs. the nationalists, more or less.

      • TPTB-USA June 18, 2019 at 9:29 pm #

        Hello GreenAlba,

        “Funny ? The Cato Insitute is the Kochs.”

        We both know that we won’t find the answer going down that rabbit hole.

        Months ago you posted a link to a site that addressed how to discuss issues with people that did not believe in AGW. I reviewed it, but I did not spot where it addressed the argument.

        As I posted above, at this point, I believe that the burden of proof is the obligation of the government (or anyone else that wishes to support their position).

        Sure, Armstrong has his own agenda, but I feel that he also raises some valid questions.

        NASA Finally Admits It’s Going to Get Colder
        armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/nasa-finally-admit-its-going-to-get-colder/

        • GreenAlba June 19, 2019 at 7:12 am #

          Hello TPTB-USA

          Thank you for the link. My personal preference for finding out what NASA’s position is about the climate situation wouldn’t be Armstrong Economics, for what I hope would be obvious reasons. The first image on the page you linked to relates to the price of gold, not the wellbeing of our host planet as our host.

          I’d go straight to the horse’s mouth:

          climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

          And then straight to the tab called ‘Facts’.

          People will always say ‘but warming is caused by [insert favourite trope] and sometimes warming will indeed be caused by that, but not Anthropogenic Global Warming, which is, by definition, the bit that’s left when you isolate the other causes.

          Think of it like net immigration to your country. Some people come in; some people leave. Net immigration is the balance and the reason why the population is increasing, not decreasing.

          If some Democratic worthy said to you ‘but x number of people left the US last year – you’re talking nonsense about immigration!!!’, you’d be right to call them out on their obfuscation.

          If you doubt what a biased non-scientific publication can do to actual scientific observations for its own purposes I would refer you to my comment on what Principia Scientific (highly amusing name) did to a comment of Richard Heinberg’s about oil depletion:

          kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/rumors-of-war/#comment-418538

          The obvious duplicity was found simply by going back to the original source, which is what I would advise in this case. The place to find NASA’s conclusions on climate change is on their own website.

          • GreenAlba June 19, 2019 at 9:12 am #

            And that’s despite Trump’s efforts to sabotage their work.

            scientificamerican.com/article/trump-budget-cuts-ldquo-critical-rdquo-nasa-climate-missions/

            Trump doesn’t worry about burdens of proof. He worries about the burden of having people point out unpalatable facts and tries to shut them up.

          • TPTB-USA June 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

            Hi GreenAlba,

            Thanks for the reply.

            In my old age, I have come to realize that people are wired differently, and as such, we do not all process information in the same manner. I would suggest that most people are incapable of comprehending this detail, and the system and society does a pitiful job of capitalizing on these assets.

            If I read you correctly, you got hung-up on the title of the article, and missed the fact that the image was of solar activity.

            The way I process information, is to think “OK, lets see what this source is trying to say”, and then I try to glean information of significance. Like Jim points out in this post, one needs to disregard much of the information that confronts us.

            So, in the first case, I don’t get hung-up on the fact that Fox News and Levin are providing the platform for Dr. Patrick Michaels, nor what appear to be impressive credentials, instead, I am looking for anything of significance that he might have to say. What struck me was that he was challenging governments position on climate change, that he was providing logical explanations, and he was offering an explanation as to why the government would do so.

            I doubt that I will ever posses the knowledge about this subject that you do, therefore, when people like yourself ignore/dismiss what people like Dr. Michaels have to say, I am left with the question of does he know what he is talking about? Or, perhaps he really does know what he is talking about?

            What interests me in particular, is a discussion between a few “experts” where they challenge each others arguments (for this I have not tracked down a source).

            In the case of Armstrong, my understanding is that he comes at it from the unique? perspective of cycle analysis.

            “… on our computer, they (the effects of solar minimum) also correlate to these periods of an increase in volcanoes and earthquakes.”
            Solar Minimum Correlates with Volcanoes & Earthquakes
            armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/solar-minimum-correlates-with-volcanoes-earthquakes…

          • GreenAlba June 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

            TPTB-USA

            Apologies for my misreading of the image – I looked at it too quickly and it didn’t have a title, which is unusual in a serious article.

            Climate scientists take account of solar and volcanic activity and earthquakes over time – if they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to deduce what part of average global changes in temperature are anthropogenic.

            But you specifically implicated NASA in this apparent change of heart, which is why I directed you to the actual NASA website, where you will find more information than I can give you.

            What can I say? Just continue reading far and wide, but pay attention to who the people are who are expressing their opinions. Hence, for example, Nigel Lawson’s Global Warming Foundation should be avoided because it is a fossil fuel lobbying group and complaints made to the BBC were upheld after they let Nigel Lawson spout untruths on national TV without any attempt to challenge him. Not all sources are that clear (although they’ve done their best to hide their motivations with their rather dishonest name).

            As I’ve said before, I find Skeptical Science is a good place to start and take your reading from there:

            skepticalscience.com/future-global-cooling.htm

            Also, if you want to read actual climate scientists discussing issues in detail with one another, Real Climate is a good place to eavesdrop.

          • TPTB-USA June 20, 2019 at 1:19 am #

            Hi GreenAlba,

            It’s all very clear now, I see the sticker on my forehead that reads “sucker/moron”. I need to take my own advice and keep my mouth shut. Thanks for breaking it to me gently.

            Patrick Michaels: Cato’s Climate Expert Has History Of Getting It Wrong
            Posted on 13 July 2013 by dana1981
            skepticalscience.com/patrick-michaels-history-getting-climate-wrong.html

            The Secret Cycle
            Is the financier Martin Armstrong a con man, a crank, or a genius?
            By Nick Paumgarten
            October 5, 2009
            newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/12/the-secret-cycle

            The New “Skeptical Science” Website: What is Going On Here?
            By John Droz, Jr. — August 13, 2010
            masterresource.org/debate-issues/skeptical-science-website/

            Looks like I am going to need a new file cabinet to handle the BS folder drawer overflow, as it looks like I was wrong: “I would also suggest that it (the Internet) also provides a convenient way for a segment of the population to research and verify “facts” that are officially promoted, but questioned by a few.”, and Jim was right: “It (the Internet) has set in motion countless recursive feedback loops of misinformation, disinformation, and ideas that are simply bad in the sense that they don’t comport with reality.”

            My sincere apology to all.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 5:28 am #

            Hey TPTB

            Wow, I’m impressed. That was both a stunning admission but more importantly, a pretty fast Damascene Moment.

            In the mid-90s, I was led down the CT rabbit-hole, and until 2008 or so was in the Climate Change Is A Hoax camp, led in my case by the loquacious (now sounding little more than smarmy) James Delingpole & The self-appointed English “Lord” Moncton, the fraud.

            A patient -exceedingly patient – friend put up with this shite for years, but would not either cut me loose or let me get away with the blithering tripe I would throw into conversations from time to time. One nigh, well into a second bottle of wine, something finally CLICKED, and I came out the other side. Wow. Like getting sight & hearing back.

            I remain suffering though because I took a few down there with me, and a couple with whom I still communicate are still down there. They think I’m mad, and it’s painful to listen to the same old saws -so predictable – but I’m hanging in there, as my friend did for me.

            Green Alba – the power of persistent, consistent common sense. A joy to read and wonderful to see a result like this.

            Cheers indeed.

  50. toktomi June 18, 2019 at 2:50 am #

    Since the “divorce between truth and reality is nearly complete”, perhaps now we can set aside these illogical notions based on illusory words [fact, real, know, true] and begin to talk about possibilities and probabilities based on measured and recorded evidence.

    Knowledge, I would offer, is an illusion; “it’s all bullshit, folks, and it’s bad for ya”.

    Further, I would suggest the following.

    The great failure of all creatures is the inability to distinguish between perception and reality.

    The greater failure of humans is the nearly universal inability to understand and to recognize this distinction.

    Hint: It’s all perception; none of it is provable reality.

    So, lament not the loss of something that never was. The illusion of truth is a simply a weapon used by some in an attempt to influence or to control the opinions of others.

    ~toktomi~

    • Pucker June 18, 2019 at 5:26 am #

      How does your analysis change if one interposes “Bad Faith” between “Perception” and Reality?

      • Pucker June 18, 2019 at 5:50 am #

        Correction: How does your analysis change if one interposes “Good Faith” between “Perception” and Reality?

        With “Good Faith”, then deliberately False Perception is not available to deceive and to manipulate people, right?

        • toktomi June 18, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

          I can’t speak to that notion since I have no idea where the realm between perception and reality is since I cannot identify reality.

          I would add as an aside that I find the concept of “deliberately False Perception” to be at least oxymoronic and probably illogical as fuck.

          • Nightowl June 18, 2019 at 4:14 pm #

            I am eating a sandwich and drinking a Trappist beer right now. Tastes good.

            That is reality. It is really quite simple.

    • Pucker June 18, 2019 at 5:37 am #

      “Hint: It’s all perception; none of it is provable reality.”

      I don’t suppose that you’d be willing to test this hypothesis by attempting to fly unaided in just your underwear off of a 10 story building?

      • toktomi June 18, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

        I would offer that chuteless base jumping is not a test of whether reality is knowable but rather is nothing more than goofy sentence construction that defies logic.

        • Pucker June 18, 2019 at 6:55 pm #

          So you’re argument is that Reality is not knowable therefore nothing is Real? Since Reality is not knowable, then guilt or innocence are moot? Existence is an illusion? The bloke in his underwear splattering on the pavement after his attempted flight off of the 10 story building is an illusion.

          Defies Commonsense….

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 10:35 am #

      So ultimately what you are saying is that there is not only no truth. There is in fact no reality? If this is the case we could simply exist within some sort of simulated reality. But then your philosophy indicates that there is indeed at least one truth – that there is no truth or reality. Do you think that this sort of philosophy ultimately leads to chaos and nihilism? If there is no provable reality then really anything is up for grabs and nothing is safe. Is human life of any value since it is perhaps just something that appears to exist but really doesn’t? Or maybe I am simply not thinking about this correctly.

      • toktomi June 18, 2019 at 3:00 pm #

        “you are saying is that there is… no truth”

        Nope.

        First of all, let me qualify my seemingly outrageous assertions. I do not proffer them as fact. I offer them only as my opinions. Believe them or disbelieve them or be uncommitted as you feel suits you.

        No, I do not offer that there is no truth, no reality. In fact, the way I say it is this; reality is the one illusion that we can never give up on. I accept that the Universe exists is some fashion. I propose only that reality is unknowable but that we must always endeavor to discover it.

        “Do you think that this sort of philosophy ultimately leads to chaos and nihilism?” I absolutely! do not. Quite the opposite, I believe that [nearly] universal acceptance of this philosophy would lead to the greatest intellectual evolution of humans that has ever occurred. After the very complex brain, perhaps the most versatile voice box on the planet, and the acquisition of speech, learning that perception may have absolutely nothing to do with reality and developing the subsequent logical philosophies and speech patterns finally would give us the intellect to be something very special on this Earth and in the Universe.

        As one small piece of the total here, I would offer that knowledge is at the root of nearly all conflict. It would have been just a wee bit more difficult for the genocidalists to invade Iraq if Gathafi only “maybe” had wmd’s. We can have an altercation if we hold differing opinions, but to REALLY fuck things up requires divine knowledge.

        “If there is no provable reality then really anything is up for grabs and nothing is safe.” I would offer that indeed everything is up for grabs but that makes everything safe; cuz now ya gotta provide some hard evidence to justify any harshness that is not imposed brutally. Brutality is always an option for many. The genocidalists will be with us for awhile, but ultimately without the massive weapons of truth with which to wage slaughter, education [exploring the possibilities, not learning the answers] comes to the fore and washes over humanity in a new wave of enlightenment.

        oops! too late. “they” have already fucked that up. The “Eve of Destruction” was yesterday.

        or so it seems to…

        ~toktomi~

        • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 3:39 pm #

          Very interesting. So you are open to possibilities but hesitant to come to any conclusions because reality is something we are always attempting to understand but never really fully grasping as far as we know. It sounds like a scientific approach actually. But you appear to be more open minded than many scientists. I mean you leave room open for the possibility that there are things behind reality that we don’t understand or perceive. Such as the possibility of a Creator…or not. I’m sort of assuming you do at least based upon what you said.

          Your statement that knowledge is the root of nearly all conflict is very intriguing to me. While knowledge is a good thing in many cases it is also traditionally recognized as very dangerous in the wrong hands. When the Devil told Eve that she should eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil he told her that once she ate the fruit she would be wise and all-knowing like God. Clearly in this case knowledge could be very good or very bad depending upon perspective. And of course after eating the fruit many things were revealed. Like death. So I understand what you mean.

  51. Pucker June 18, 2019 at 4:35 am #

    What is the religious function of “Spirit Cooking” and child sexual sacrifice to people like John Podesta, Jeffrey Epstein, Kevin Spacey, Bill and Hillary Clinton et al.?

    “After consulting his priests, Montezuma consented and led Cortés inside, where the Spaniard witnessed images and scenes that few mortals other than the highest priests and chieftains had ever seen. The idol of Huitzilopochtli loomed over the room, his gigantic form seated on a litter. His eyes were of bright stone, and he bore in one hand a gold bow, in the other gold arrows. His face was bespattered with blood, both fresh and dried, and near him stood smaller idols equally frightening, dragons and “other hideous figures,” including a “fanged serpent.” From his neck hung a chain of gold and silver hearts, symbols of the most important sacrifice. Before the idols burned braziers, in which freshly extracted human hearts spat and sizzled. 16 Sickened, Cortés could only look away in horror, casting his eyes against the blood-drenched walls. The smell of the place overwhelmed him. He faced Montezuma and spoke to him as Malinche translated, “I cannot imagine how a prince as great and wise as your majesty can have failed to realize that these idols of yours are not gods but evil things… devils.” Montezuma heard these words with a steely-eyed stare but for the moment said nothing. Cortés, deciding the time was right, with brazen audacity suggested that a cross be erected here, as a symbol of the one true God. “Let us divide off a part of this sanctuary… as a place where we can put Our Lady, and then you will see, by the fear that your idols have of her, how grievously they have deceived you.” 17 Cortés did not comprehend (nor did he attempt to) the ancient, deeply held importance of ritual sacrifice in the Aztec religion, nor the importance of these idols in their worldview, though it was right there in front of him. For Montezuma and his people, the hearts and blood of the victims were not just desired but absolutely necessary. This was neither sport nor entertainment—it was a requirement, needed to live, like air or water, needed for the continuation of the world.“

    Buddy Levy
    Conquistador: Hernan Cortes, King Montezuma, and the Last Stand of the Aztecs

  52. FincaInTheMountains June 18, 2019 at 6:24 am #

    Vladimir Putin on a nuclear strike in Russia, – We, as martyrs, will go to Heaven, and they will simply die like dogs!

    youtube.com/watch?v=jB74ILNzSa0&t=195

    Do you think he is joking?

    He also says that everything happens within seconds. That means that everything is automatic and I am pretty sure that since New York Times article power grid disruptions are in the program.

    • James Hansen June 18, 2019 at 8:56 am #

      The only thing that will get every bodies attention is mushroom clouds in the distance, of course it will be a little late at that point.

      How long can this go on, how many times can the U.S. slap Russia in the face before something really bad happens.

      Putin has said several times that the U.S. is sleepwalking into a nuclear war but the idiots in congress either think they can win or it is impossible to happen. They are wrong on both counts.

    • toktomi June 18, 2019 at 3:15 pm #

      Wellllll, I guess that disposing of over seven billion souls is a dirty job no matter how ya do it.

      I’m betting that global wind patterns will be key in this scenario. Ya just might want to locate within some proximity to one of their “life boat” areas if you are fantasizing about longer term survival.

      Don’t ask! youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

      ~toktomi~

      • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 3:45 pm #

        Thank you for the clue drop. Not that I could make it to a lifeboat area but it is nice to fantasize about. I wouldn’t doubt the level of wickedness that will be stooped to, to achieve their goal. They, the Elite, have made it very clear that depopulation is a primary goal in achieving their new world.

  53. BackRowHeckler June 18, 2019 at 7:02 am #

    ICE is flying Congolese and Angolan tribesmen apprehended at the Mexican border to Lewiston, Maine, presumably to join the Bantu and Somali tribesmen living in that city. The mayor of Lewiston is thrilled, apparently. More the better is her motto. But who knows if tribes from Angola and the Congo get along with tribes from Somalia. Too westerners, Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda looked alike, you couldn’t tell the difference between them. But they knew. We could possibly be looking at inter tribal African warfare — the kind that is constantly being waged on the Dark Continent — right here in northern New England.

    Brh

    • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 7:14 am #

      Trump didnt solve USAs problems.

      • BackRowHeckler June 18, 2019 at 8:08 am #

        We’ll see how Liz Warren tackles the problem Jan 2021.

      • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 11:32 am #

        He is too late. The Left has infected the society too deeply in all aspects. The only response now is to let them get control and show what a group of lying BS artists they are.

        Just like the Communists in Russia.

        We, as a society, will fondly remember when individual responsibility and liberty were paramount. As we deteriorate into just another socialist quagmire.

        • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

          But John, what about the Right? Do you really believe that the Communists (sorry they are not Socialists) have been able to infiltrate all aspects of our society without at the very least the tacit approval of the Right? It seems like you have convinced yourself that somehow the right of the spectrum has not had a part in the fundamental transformation. Of course they do! And not only that. The Elite on the Right are profiting and benefiting from the transformation as much as the Elite on the Left are. There is no difference between them in the end except which angles they work to convince us all to do their bidding.

          • benr June 18, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

            Socialism is the fingers and communism is the fist one eventually becomes the other since they are attached so to speak. Socialism is real communism light.
            Why do almost all commie countries call themselves socialist republics of piss and crap.
            Nod to Game of thrones.

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 1:37 pm #

            Agreed! I have never given the Right a clean bill. If you would read my posts, you would realize my argument is with the Deep State and their connections to the globalists. I agree with folks that there is little difference between the GOP and Dems in DC. The real difference is Federalist vs. localist and nationalist vs, globalists. I am an advocate of Main Street.

            Trump hates the globalists! He knows how they are raping this country and will try to stop them any way he can. He also sees what a cesspool the DC scene is and wants to tear it down. Unfortunately, he is in over his head and has too many weapons pointed at him.

            2020 will tell the story.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

            Marxist Communism. National Socialism was and is its bitter enemy. On the other hand, Capitalism and Communism get along fine – with the former funding the latter – then and now.

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 3:56 pm #

            Yes and Capitalism and Communism are tied together as well. Both end up functioning the same way by centralizing wealth and power into a small cabal of oligarchs. Actual real Socialism allows for free enterprise, private property, etc. Communism does not allow any of this. Its just that with Socialism, free enterprise or Capitalism is not allowed to run roughshod over the institutions and people that comprise society. And with National Socialism you get the same benefit but with an added focus on nation and identity. A critical element desperately needed for sure in the West.

            The problem with Trump IMO is that he surrounded himself with the wrong advisers (Javanka), he cozied up with elements within the government that needed to be eliminated, and he cares more about what people think of him than the substance of his actions. He was a reality TV star after all. He could have been great, but he missed that chance by giving in to his inner demons.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

            Geez – this particular series of responses is a true image of how an ‘echo-chamber’ works.

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 11:10 am #

      The invasion continues, aided and abetted by every aspect of our government. The same government that taxes the native born and redistributes that wealth to foreign nationals. Our government is the UN now? It makes sense since the UN is basically a Globalist Communist organization.

      • Majella June 18, 2019 at 8:55 pm #

        Currently, ICE has 52,000 in detention. Not so overwhelming, surely.

        SSL, you’re just raving again… every sentence in that post is just grossly & demonstrably incorrect, the result of a fevered mind suffering from multiple delusions.

    • elysianfield June 18, 2019 at 12:06 pm #

      “We could possibly be looking at inter tribal African warfare — the kind that is constantly being waged on the Dark Continent”

      BRH,
      Well…how the hell would we know the inter-tribal warfare from the everyday mundane?

      #Detroit

      • Elrond Hubbard June 18, 2019 at 1:52 pm #

        YouTuber buys Michigan town, renames it Gay Hell to protest Trump’s Pride flag ban
        The White House has refused to allow embassies to fly rainbow flags on their flagpoles this year

        nationalpost.com/news/world/youtuber-buys-5-acre-michigan-town-and-renames-it-gay-hell

        “YouTube star Elijah Daniel has bought the town of Hell and renamed it Gay Hell, only allowing Pride flags to fly in protest at President Donald Trump’s administration’s refusal to allow U.S. embassies to hoist the flag for LGBT+ Pride month.

        “The California-based comedian and rapper — who goes by the name Lil Phag — posted a photograph on Twitter of himself alongside a town sign saying ‘Welcome to Gay Hell …. Michigan’s Hysterical Town.’

        “‘As of today, I am now the owner of Hell, Michigan. I bought the whole town,’ he tweeted to his 600,000 followers.

        “‘And my first act as owner, I have renamed my town to Gay Hell, MI. The only flags allowed to fly are pride.’

        Michigan, represent! Link to the tweet follows. 254K likes so far.

        twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/1140711709939814400

        • BackRowHeckler June 18, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

          What’s a pride flag?

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 4:00 pm #

            The Gays stole the rainbow as their symbol and put it on a flag and called it Pride. Historically, in Western Christian tradition the rainbow is a sign of God’s promise and love for us and the whole earth. Read the story about the flood in Genesis and you will understand. That is specifically why they choose the rainbow. They want to appropriate all of our traditions for themselves. Think marriage and go from there.

          • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 7:32 pm #

            YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A GAY PRIDE RAINBOW IS…

            GAWD..

            POC complain theres no brown stripe.

          • GreenAlba June 19, 2019 at 9:33 am #

            “They want to appropriate all of our traditions for themselves.”

            You mean like the Christian church appropriating pagan festivals and taking them over as Christmas and Easter?

            I think we should perhaps relax a little, in the circumstances, about borrowing each other’s traditions.

            And marriage existed before Christianity, which is why it’s not considered a sacrament in all Christian churches, although it is in the Catholic tradition.

          • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 12:40 am #

            Well in reality we really are not supposed to celebrate Easter or Christmas at all. If we are attempting to comport ourselves with the teachings of the Bible that is. The appropriating of pagan rituals and celebrations by the church did occur but that does not mean it was and is correct and appropriate. In fact, it was a big mistake and remains so.

          • GreenAlba June 20, 2019 at 10:24 am #

            SSL

            Well there are an awful lot of things you’re not supposed to to if you comport yourself with the teachings of the Bible.

            Meet the Wee Wee Frees (who are way way more er…’free’ (of sense!) than the original ‘Wee Frees’ (of whom one of my cousins up north is a member, although she’s perfectly nice and celebrates Christmas, along with her sister who’s bog-standard Church of Scotland).

            rationalwiki.org/wiki/Free_Presbyterian_Church_of_Scotland

            No Christmas or Easter for them. Or music, or anything other than psalmic dirges. Or kids playing on a Sunday. Or going to Roman Catholic funerals!!!

            Maybe they’ll get a bit lax one day (as the Wee Frees did before them) and someone will need to invent the Wee Wee Wee Frees.

            Did I mention that way lies madness? 🙂

            That way lies madness…

        • Nightowl June 19, 2019 at 4:03 am #

          Like so many attention seekers in the current political landscape, this chap is dumb as a rock.

          In terms of rhetoric, this fails on all fronts. Reminds me of when the wokesters used to chant “Love Trumps Hate”

          All I ever heard was that we should “love Trump’s hate;” a rather counterproductive message.

          Bonus points for the fact that Mr. Daniel has yet to figure out that the only ones who care enough to act about this perceived problem are gays themselves. Hardly anyone cares if embassies fly the sodomite standard.

  54. BackRowHeckler June 18, 2019 at 8:51 am #

    Drivers licenses for illegals in NY starting on Oct.

    Ct did the same thing a few years back, and quite literally it brought down the whole system, reason being, we were told there would be only about 5000 applying, but 100,000 illegals showed up.

    Operating an automobile seems to be low on the priority list for getting a DL, top of the list is holding a state issued ID, crucial in applying for welfare benefits and registering to vote.

    That’s what its all about.

    Brh

    • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 9:33 am #

      Find me a 95% Black Community with the same, or lesser, crime rate as a 95% white, non-Hispanic Community.

      • benr June 18, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

        Impossible task it does not exist.

    • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 11:26 am #

      The bellwether for this is California where documentation mills in LA are creating new voters for the Democrats daily.

      $400 buys SSN, drivers license, Green card, and voting comes with the DL. Wonder why the Liberals are a lock in Ca?

      $400 a few years ago. No wonder where the majority of Browns politically is coming from.

      Another lack of truth in our society.

      • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:48 am #

        @JohnAZ

        Channeling Gomer Pile Surprise surprise surprise!
        youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI

        Motor voter id act.
        This was voted into “law” and allows for illegals to get an ID and also at the same time signs them up to vote.
        800K were signed up in the first round of and that was a year or two ago!
        It requires the illegal alien to actually uncheck the vote box.
        How this is not illegal I don’ know because in California you can vote in local, state and federal elections on the same ballot.

        spectator.org/surprise-dmv-may-have-registered-non-citizen-voters/

        The power brokers in Sacramento all need to go to jail period end of story and this folks really is the insanity of progressive politics.

        • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

          America no longer belongs to Americans.

          George Soros would be proud.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:46 am #

            youtu.be/OFy_X6IVmkc

            Go on, watch it – dare you and invite a rebuttal.

        • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 4:04 pm #

          Power brokers can’t go to jail because they control them. Your answer and solution lies outside the “system”. The system cannot be utilized for justice anymore because it is totally corrupted.

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 7:03 pm #

            Yup!

  55. ozone June 18, 2019 at 9:33 am #

    kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-truth-versus-your-truth/#comment-423534

    Thanks, V.
    I’m really not sure that I find myself in the no-man’s-land between these warring sets of dumbasses. It’s just more misdirected energy than I have time or inclination to engage in or deal with. Perhaps I have a more practical mindset (I certainly ain’t “smarter”) and am a bit shocked that no one seems to *want to* have any understanding of the REAL predicaments that are engulfing us as we write and rail!

    Provocateurs:
    Shame on you for wasting very valuable time. May you come to believe your own lies.

    (And, before we get into this unmitigated horseshit of, “Well duh, tell us what these predicaments are or STFU”, let me just say, if you can’t figure that out, then you have my disdain and not my sympathy. I know what a boiler-plate, talking-point, never-ending argument looks like. They’re splattered all over this comment section for reference.)

    • volodya June 18, 2019 at 10:26 am #

      And besides, we talk day-in and day-out about these predicaments, our esteemed host leading with two topics of his choosing each week.

      About the provocateurs, with the application of some willful blindness the societal and economic circumstances that led us to this pass may come to LOOK solid and so some of the willfully blind may mislead themselves into thinking there’s such a thing as a status-quo. But it wasn’t always thus and things will change as sure as we sit here. Why? Because the existing state of affairs is untenable. The numbers just don’t scan, the underlying reasoning just doesn’t pan out. This isn’t rocket science, as anyone with eyes can see it.

      So the provocateurs, whether they’re commenting on this board or otherwise agitating for one of the political parties, for reasons best known to themselves are provoking in defense of a disposition of things whose future is short. And there’s no future in supporting a proposition with no future.

      And you’re right, there’s better things to do than sit in a no-man’s-land in a dispute where the antagonists main argument is whether to take the left-fork or the right-fork to the cliff’s edge.

      • ozone June 18, 2019 at 8:57 pm #

        Well now, looks like some folks have been skipping Mr. Kunstler’s bi-weekly blog postings for many years now; they just can’t understand what dangers loom!

    • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:54 am #

      Not a SFTU moment BUT how does one gain traction if everyone refuses to speak about the horrid stench in the room?
      Talking about the corruption in both parties is like stepping in a fresh pile of steaming poop or vomit barefoot.

      The DNC is part and parcel to huge issue and neither party is the foil to be used to correct the bad behavior of the other.
      The only difference I can really see in the two parties is the amount of media cover each has and the lengths the media will go to attack one and protect the other.

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 12:08 pm #

      I still just think you want to be the Boss and have the last and final word on everything. Sorry my thoughts are so shallow when it comes to this. But really I do wonder. Why don’t you post at all about the REAL predicaments? I have literally begged you to open up about these things but it never works. And then on top of that you come right out and say that you not only have no time to converse with people who don’t understand what you are getting at. You actually say that you have a disdain for such people. So I just don’t understand you at all and that is exactly what you want IMO. You want to be a big mystery and you get mean about it too. So what is the REAL predicament? Energy and resource depletion? Climate Change? Our lack of a civil society? Lack of sustainable living arrangements? Maybe all of the above right? What? These things get discussed here on every thread in one way or another. You just never add much even when people are telling you to post post post.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

        Yes, he’s total bullshit on every level. A fraud who is also a fool.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

      Tell us more about Xenophobia, Truman.

  56. ozone June 18, 2019 at 9:41 am #

    wm5135,
    Great comment about the “thoughtfulness” of our fine “leadership”. Thanks for that; fits right in with the perception of truth.

    kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-truth-versus-your-truth/#comment-423548

    • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:00 am #

      China is and has been murdering people and harvesting their organs for sale.

      A panel of lawyers accused China of murdering members of the Falung Gong spiritual group and harvesting their organs for transplant.

      news.trust.org/item/20190617155514-p07b0/?utm_source=Global+Health+NOW+Main+List&utm_campaign=7…

      Yes folks there it is in black and white when the state owns your ass they can and will do what they want with you.
      Speak out against them or to low of a social credit score off to the glue factory for you and they may even bill your family for the cost of rendering you into something useful.

      • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:09 am #

        Genetically modified Super fungus in testing to kill mosquitoes.

        atlasobscura.com/articles/venomous-fungus-mosquito-dome?utm_source=Global+Health+NOW+Main+List&…

        What could go wrong?

        • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 11:20 am #

          Mosquitoes, what a bane.

          They bite you, itch, carry disease, what are they good for anyway.

          Hmmm!

          How about as a vector for spreading genetic variability around. Does the adaptability, thus variability of a species depend on exchange of DNA between individuals? It is part of the reproductive cycle but maybe blood sucking vectors contribute.

          The white blood cells are the core of our immune system’s war against the environment. Exchanging them may contribute to necessary changes to group immunity.

          • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:58 am #

            Just watch the naked and afraid show they have people tap out and leave over being bitten not over starving or large predators cruising through camp, not even from lack of water or fetid water full of parasites and nasty single celled stuff but bugs biting!

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

            You are right. Did you know that the migratory patterns of reindeer are set by the incidence of mosquitoes?

      • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 7:34 pm #

        Remember ‘Body World?’

        countless viewed those healthy corpses. Where did they come from?

        yes, people are that dumb, to not ask ‘where’ and refuse to view the ‘exhibit.’

        • benr June 18, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

          I do in fact and I refused to go see it because I knew where the bodies were harvested from.
          I even had to explain it to my wife and family before the light bulbs went off.

  57. Tate June 18, 2019 at 11:07 am #

    From “Race BaitR”

    Seeing Poor White People Makes Me Happy

    June 11, 2019

    By Nicholas Powers
    “Should I kick him in the face? Hard? No, chill, he’s not worth it. But why is this white boy begging for money in a Black neighborhood? Is he stupid?”
    I shake the evil out of my head and go into the subway. He comes every Spring. The homeless white boy flaps down like a dirty migratory bird, makes himself a nest from garbage and sleeps on the sidewalk. A sign on his shopping cart asks for money—I never give. I should tho ‘cause he makes me feel good.
    White people begging us for food feels like justice. It feels like Afro-Futurism after America falls. It feels like a Black Nationalist wet dream. It has the feels I rarely feel, a hunger for historical vengeance satisfied so well I rub my belly.
    I know it’s not a good look. At least I think I know? I have the ghost of Martin Luther King Jr. in my head like a life coach exhorting me to “be my best self,” “show compassion to those who spite you,” “turn the other cheek” and “don’t give our enemies more reasons to hate us.” I need to kick Martin Luther King Jr. out of my head. Go fuck another secretary Martin! I need to ask what this white homeless boy means to me.
    White homeless poor in the ‘hood are a Rorschach test. I see in them the history of colonization, slavery and mass incarceration that makes their begging Black people for money ironic—if not insulting. You wasted your whiteness! Why should we give to you? Others see that same history, but for them, he is a chance to be MLK’s dream.
    Here is a descendant of murderers who killed our ancestors now begging us to save their life. So let’s turn the other cheek! But it’s not always honest. It is the trick of internalized racism that Black anger is transformed into showy altruism to show the “white gaze” that we’re safe—good Negroes. So we aren’t attacked by more powerful whites—instead rewarded by them…

    Sometimes folks see that same history and want to get even. I saw three brothers run up and spit on him as people cackled at the white boy who wiped sticky gobs from his eyelids. The laughter was cruel, joyful and belly deep. They might as well shook slave chains in his face and said, “Now you get to wear these nigga!”…

    [W]hen a white person begs, maybe a white woman breastfeeding or a young white boy whining like a broken flute, I feel better. Good. It’s not just us. I feel happy. I feel like the scales of justice could shift…

    I… saw the homeless white boy again. “Can you get me something to eat,” he barked out to the river of people passing by. “Someone stole all my shit!” Scabs covered his mouth. He was sunburnt and thin. I ignored him but thought “Baby, you stole all mine.” …
    I stopped myself. It’s the Martin Luther King Jr. life-coach again, saying, “Love your enemies! Get to know them as people.” No Dr. King! Today I own my anger. I want to snatch his food and say, “Go beg in a white neighborhood!” And eat it. And rub my belly. And laugh.
    I smile. The cruelty cures my internalized racism that forces me to empathize with him—so I can be patted on the head like a good peaceful protester. All my white editors want me to write that way. All the white institutions that pay me want me to feel that way. But I don’t—and saying I don’t is freeing. It pulls the unconscious whiteness out of my brain. I don’t need to see my best or worst self reflected on his skin.

    — Nicholas Powers is a poet, Associate Professor of Literature and a journalist. His book “The Ground Below Zero: 9/11 to Burning Man, New Orleans to Darfur, Haiti to Occupy Wall Street” was published by Upset Press. His writings appear in Truth Out, Huff Post, Raw Story and The Indypendent.

    Tate — This is what our Plutocrats created on the North America shore. This is what’s coming for us. You privileged Whites in your gated enclaves & guarded towers, you will not be spared. And most Blacks don’t see any difference between Jews & other forms of YT.

    • elysianfield June 18, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

      Tate,
      Well said.

      As it was in the ’60’s, so it is now. Nothing has changed.

    • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 12:20 pm #

      Yes – Jews are just another type of Cracker to most Black Supremacists.

      • Majella June 19, 2019 at 7:41 pm #

        SSL

        “Black Supremacists”…???

        Do you mean the deplored and legally debunked “Black Identity Extremist”?

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Identity_Extremists

        Geez, you even capitalize ‘Black Supremacists” like you have, as a White Supremacist have a mutual ‘thang’ going on.

        • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 1:04 am #

          I know its a trip isn’t it! And here’s the thang. I have much more respect for Black Supremacists than I do for White Race Traitors.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:59 am #

            Race Traitor? You mean people who aren’t out-and-out vocal ranting racist like you & Janos ( and a large number of other CFN Denizens who aren’t so forthright about their bigotry)?

            Have you been watching The Handmaid’s Tale, with the Gender Traitors strung up on The Wall by the Godfearing Elite of Gilead? I imagine it’s a wet dream for you, only they seem to accept blacks for breeding purposes, so not quite Utopia…

          • hmuller June 20, 2019 at 10:15 am #

            Majella, I love the Handmaid’s Tale. But I don’t mistake it for reality. In the real world, the Powers That Be are pushing the gay agenda. Trannies are sharing their life stories with pre-schoolers not hanging on walls.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 2:32 pm #

            Hmuller

            I only refer to it in its allegorical sense, as a proxy for a world that, after reading SSL’s posts for months, she would love to see realised, in theory anyway. The reality would probably not be so comfortable.

            Sounds like you’d like to string all ‘the gays’ up on the Wall too. You replied above that you only ‘hate evil’. So a gay person qualifies?

          • hmuller June 20, 2019 at 3:38 pm #

            I’m more tolerant than you think; I just believe in discretion. People should keep their peccadillos behind closed doors. Instead we live in a world which celebrates everyone waving their peccadillos all over the place.

            Trannies reading stories to 5 yr old children at the public library is just wrong (in my opinion). Why does everything have to be so “in your face” these days? I’m perfectly happy to let trannies have fun in Trannie-town with each other. Just leave the children alone!

            I was speaking tongue-in-cheek when I said I hate evil. I mean I do. But so does everyone, We just all define it differently.

            With the possible exception of math, everything is subjective. People understand their universe thru models and metaphors. And then forget the model is not reality, just a poor attempt to approximate it for human purposes of predictability. But I digress.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 8:16 pm #

            hmuller

            hmulleGo figure…. we agree on every point you made there.

            I also operate under the simple rule of ‘live and let live’ when it comes to human behavior as long as it doesn’t harm others.

            I also agree that the Transvestite Story Hour is pretty awful and a public facility shouldn’t engage in weird out-there stuff like this.

            However, on the other side of the argument, this TPF (a Catholic parish or Fatima society within a parish) is using their own kids as exhibits in the protest. In doing so, they’re exposing them to the very thing they want to protect them from.

            The conversations around that whole issue among the 6-9-year-olds in the school playground would be fascinating and very likely hugely distorted.

            For example, I’d guess there would have been little sympathy for the transvestites involved. More likely they’d be described as ‘evil, sick, the devil, dangerous & perverted’.

            In contrast, I would not be surprised if the children who DID actually meet the transvestites at Story Hour would have found them human, funny, funny-looking and would likely understand that these people just like to dress-up. Who doesn’t like dressing up?

            So, yes, everything is subjective and it seems we have different subjective realities on some things at levels of detail, but, as demonstrated, at the heart of it all, is rational common sense.

    • hmuller June 19, 2019 at 10:40 am #

      That Nicholas Powers has some issues to work through. By hating all white people that much, he can never leave his self-made hell.

      • Majella June 20, 2019 at 4:54 am #

        And how does your own expressed ‘ hate’ entrap you?

        • hmuller June 20, 2019 at 10:16 am #

          I only hate what is evil.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 2:22 pm #

            And what is ‘evil’ is subjective or objective?

  58. JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 11:12 am #

    Truth, as a part of morality, is a basis for society. Without a basis, civilization ceases to exist.

    Look at Washington, DC right now. A basis for reality in governance is that the characters involved tell the truth. The penalties for lying to Congress or the FBI are stiff felonies. Perjury is equally penalized throughout the judicial system.

    Departure from truth telling is our sign of the times. The truth benchmark is as variable now as being on the ocean in a hurricane. Who does one believe? Who knows? Rationality is dead in the political debate because the truth no longer exists. Who is right? Who is wrong? Who is telling the truth? Who knows!

    Jesus, among other descriptors, called himself the Truth. He recognized that the Truth was core to the goodness of society and that it will collapse without that basis.

    In today’s society, we look for the truth, in the NYT, in social media, in judges, in our workplaces. And it exists no where.

    Politics has deteriorated, and the media with it to lying as the mainstream. Who can tell the biggest and most convincing lies wins.

    Right now, the most successful liars of all times belong to the HRC led Democratic Party, but the GOP is right up there too. To survive, lying is a skill.

    Then the rest of us lose.

    • benr June 18, 2019 at 11:55 am #

      Stiff penalties my ass Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress and jack shit was done about it.
      That POS should be busting big rocks into little ones and what is he doing?
      Screwing up California even more.

    • K-Dog June 18, 2019 at 11:59 am #

      ‘Truth, as a part of morality, is a basis for society. Without a basis, civilization ceases to exist.

      This is untrue. It is a circular definition which does not portray reality. It may define civilization to you but one man’s civilization is not the same as anothers. Your assertion has to be understood as a goal but one which can never be reached. Circular definitions are the roots of many lies.

      Civilization is a mishmash of tribes pretending to have a common identity and lies are glue. Lies are glue that hold people together. Without looking always for a higher truth lies will inexorably trump truth. Lies are essential to human identity. Without lies you would not know who you are. Red hats red ties and blue suits and a half dozen lies which the subconscious knows full well are lies knit the whole Trump tribe together. Same with the DNC and just about everyone else; but they use different bling and different lies.

      Lies glue factions together. Without lies the world would be a far different place. Lies are the like the plumage of colorful birds, plumage which signal status and power, be the power real or only a ruse.

      From the green and blue factions of Byzantine Rome down to the present day and up to the dawn of time aeons before Rome existed; lies have defined tribes. Who is in, who is out. However reality needs be twisted and bent no matter how absurdly, whatever it takes to get the job done of defining your group and of defining who is out.

      You will kill to do it; so deeply is it in your DNA. Absurdity won’t be noticed if it makes you feel like a more connected member of your tribe. Even if you are bottom dog.
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      This concept is really worth a whole article but this is Clusterfuck Nation and I have to get to work.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

        There are factions always, but also unities, the mystic chords of memory and the ties that bind. You are conflating this with wholesale ethnic replacement and chaos. Again you show poor discrimination on this issue.

        • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

          And one of our problems is that we have focused on our differences for far too long. We need to focus on the mystic chords of memory and those ties that bind us. Only then will we have a chance at becoming a real People again.

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 1:23 pm #

            How can anyone focus on the ties that bind, when the ties are based on lies.

            Another way to say it

            The Truth is universal and long lasting, lies are individual and spur of the moment.

            Trust and faith are based on Truth, not lies. Lies destroy trust and faith.

            Society is not based on lies, lies destroy the ties that bind.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

            So stop lying to yourself about race, John. Read what the Founders said if you want to stick with Original Intent and value the historical American Nation.

            Say the word and I’ll give you the reading material. I have before but you probably didn’t bother reading it.

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 4:11 pm #

            The Founders intent was that our nation was to be a White Christian Nation John. That is Truth. America is not an economic and political ideal. It was a real Nation. Composed of a people, really a grouping of related tribes, with an actual shared identity, history and future. But we have been lied to about this at every turn. And many of us now believe the lie that ours is simply a country of ideas and quaint notions with no distinct character or identity.

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 6:54 pm #

            I think you both are right about the mixing of cultures. It may be an impossible situation. My posts have been discussing the failure of the American dream, that “rule by law” supersedes race or culture.

            Janos I see your points at times about culture and race mixing, but I still have hope that people can live together in harmony. I acknowledge it may be a pipe dream, but I keep hoping.

            SSL. The Founding Fathers were a product of their heritage which was British. Their ideas were European. Their liberal ideals, for the time, that led to our founding documents were the results this background.

            I think we will agree on this. Things here worked well as long as the majority of folks believed in the ideals of the government. The latest groups being introduced into the mix are so different that as the Browns are getting closer and closer to the majority the basis for our culture is falling apart.

            The correct term is Balkanization. Yugoslavia is a great example. Humankind may not be able to mix cultures.

            How do you suggest we split up the USA? Rename it the NUSA? Blacks here, whites there, Latinos over here, Chinese there.

            Maybe so!

          • JohnAZ June 18, 2019 at 7:01 pm #

            The more immigrants that are allowed in the less chance your ideal has of happening.

            The irony is that the main proponents of the dissolution trend are White liberals. I wonder if they have watched what is going on in South Africa.

            These White Liberals are the tools of the globalists and are the true enemies of the Constitution and its continuance.

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 10:35 pm #

            SSL states as TRUTH – ” The Founders intent was that our nation was to be a White Christian Nation”.

            At the time of the Declaration of Independence, the estimated population of the 13 colonies was 2.5 million whereas the UK population was around 9 million by 1800.

            From the Globalist.com:

            “From the founding of the country in 1776 until today, the total number of U.S. immigrants — those granted legal permanent residence in the country — is estimated at about 72 million. In comparison, the total number of births during this period is 483 million, or close to seven times as large as the number of immigrants.

            Adding the total numbers of immigrants and births to the estimated population of 2.5 million Americans alive in 1776, yields a grand total of 558 million Americans who have ever lived. Of this total number, immigrants represent about 13%. Also, the majority of Americans are living today at 300 million — or 54%.”

            So, immigration delivered a ‘breeding stock’ which has reproduced generations that have assimilated over time, to yield the current population. But that ‘breeding stock’ stands at only 13%.

            Back in the day, when it was poor Irish, Poles, Russians, Germans & Jews taken in as breeding stock, they were nevertheless generally despised by the extant, mainly British, population, who felt personally ‘put upon’ (much like the moaners & whingers in here) but nevertheless tolerated (barely) these low-life humans because at least they were white.

            How many of you CFN bleaters about immigrants and the loss of your White Supremacy (which, the loss of, is still imaginary, by the way) have come from this despised stock of poor people seeking refuge from hunger & want?

            “Give me your tired, your poor,
            Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
            The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
            Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
            I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

            What’s changed?

            Mainly, the skin color of the Huddled Masses.

            You’re just shameless racists and you dishonor your own origins.

            .

          • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 1:25 am #

            Interesting you sought America specific information at Globalist.com but ok. Its a very provable fact that America was founded as a White country. And as far as that poem on the Statue of Liberty. That in no way, shape or form represents any official immigration policy or doctrine. That is a Zionist fiction created to undermine this country and it has had wild success. There isn’t any shame in natural, healthy racism. And White Nationalists are the only true American patriots. Because America isn’t just an idea like the liars say. It is a real historical people and nation.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 5:04 am #

            SSL
            Wow – that’s the most fucked-up post you’ve ever put up. You must be dredging the deepest parts of your sad broken racist heart to actually put those words in print. I actually feel sorry for you – disappointed by Donny-Dickhead, and now by the vast majority of your fellow citizens. You and the other few percent of people who feel the same way -or even more virulently -are so frustrated by your obvious impotence. Very sad aand such a waste of a life.

          • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 11:43 am #

            I am delighted you enjoyed it. The disappointment in DJT actually animates me to work harder for what I believe in so no reason to feel sorry for me. So fasten your seatbelt and get ready for the ride because my posts will probably get more and more “fucked up”. Just remember that what seems fucked up to you is perfectly natural to me. That is because you are Brown and I am White. Your opinions seem very fucked up to me don’t forget. Now do you see why we are so different? I am glad we reached this understanding though ;-).

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 2:21 pm #

            SSL – you go ‘work’ girl! Tote dat delusion, post dat rascist comment!

            You operate on so many false assumptions you have no relationship with reality anymore.

            And now, I’m brown, am I? What gives you that idea? My calling you out as a racist when that’s precisely what you are?

      • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 12:27 pm #

        I can see what you are saying but I would also submit that lies break people apart too and all things built upon lies eventually break up. Perhaps this is why civilizations are constantly coming and going. Wouldn’t you agree that all of the lies our society is built upon are crumbling before our eyes and thus the social and cultural deterioration we see all around us? Very thought-provoking post! I hope you have some time at some point to elaborate more.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 18, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

          Even more: Many Chinese dynasties have risen and fallen, yet China marches on. But when the West falls, it falls for good since the biological basis will be gone, at least in Western Europe and America. Russia is besieged as well. Only Eastern Europe stands somewhat strong – and they are surrounded.

          One cannot have the scent without the flower. And some of the mystic chords, not all but some, are based on blood. That being said, no Blonde Muslim girls or Red Bearded Jihadis need apply. Culture matters too, of course. The Left says biology doesn’t matter, but only culture. We’re not as dogmatic as they are and give weight to both.

          • SoftStarLight June 18, 2019 at 4:21 pm #

            Yes that is an important distinction and we do need to consider both. A blue-eyed Albanian Muslim strict in the Muslim faith would likely never be able to truly accept a Christian Western culture. And would thus be unable and very likely unwilling to “pass” that culture down to future generations.

          • malthuss June 18, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

            does China inc march on? like lemmings?

          • Majella June 19, 2019 at 10:39 pm #

            SSL:
            “Yes that is an important distinction and we do need to consider both. A blue-eyed Albanian Muslim strict in the Muslim faith would likely never be able to truly accept a Christian Western culture. And would thus be unable and very likely unwilling to “pass” that culture down to future generations.”

            Ah! It’s not just race then with you after all…non-Christians (including atheists I’d have to speculate) are also unlikely to be allowed into ‘JanosandStarlightland’. (Not that I’d ever be applying or even seeking political asylum.)

          • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 1:36 am #

            Is that a problem for you? I don’t see why. There isn’t a single Christian theocracy in the world. If there is please let me know where. But we have a Jewish state in Israel and several Muslim theocracies.

          • Majella June 20, 2019 at 5:09 am #

            SSL:
            But you would have a Pure White Christian USA, wouldn’t you? A Gilead, so to speak, with racism as part of the underlying doctrine. A theocracy that you and your rabid Christian fellow-travellers would give their eye-teeth for. The Capital Rs have gerrymandered the voting districts into submission in the states & senate. You might get your wish, followed by war with Canada & Mexico, probably…Crusades ( or Christian jihads).

          • SoftStarLight June 20, 2019 at 11:38 am #