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Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone, Joni trilled half a century ago. Another song, by CSN, went, it’s been a long time coming, it’s gonna be a long time gone. Boomers. Back in the day – before they invented the hedge fund, glyphosate, and political correctness ­– they had a way with the deep vision thing. And now, here we are! Just like they saw it.

 Open up is code, of course, for return to normal. You’re kidding, right? Where I live, the future happened ten years ago. Main Street is nothing but consignment shops, that is, old stuff people got rid of, mostly for good reasons. The one thing you can’t get there is food, unless there’s a bowl of mints next to the cash register. Oh, and the Kmart in town shuttered exactly a year ago, so the supply of new-stuff-waiting-to-be-old-stuff has been cut off, too. Welcome to America, the next chapter.

The public is understandably frantic to bust out of their quarantine bunkers. Seven weeks of jigsaw puzzles bears an interesting resemblance to the old Chinese water torture. (Can you even say that? There, I said it for you.) What will they find as they emerge blinking from the doleful demi-life of the sequester? It’s liable to be a society in which just about everything no longer works the way it was set up to work.

For instance: work itself. A lot of it has gone missing. Despite the feel-good propaganda broadcast on CBS’s 60 Minutes, converting General Motors’ Kokomo plant into an emergency respirator manufacturing operation is not going to save that company, or the greater mission it serves: US suburban life per se. The car industry was on-the-ropes before the Covid-19 virus landed. Car dealers were so desperate to move the merch off the lot last year that they attempted to induce folks who had already defaulted on their car loans to come sign up for another car and a new loan. And that was after they’d tried seven-year loans for pre-owned vehicles. General Motors sold 7.7 million vehicles last year, while the whole US auto industry sold 17 million. They are not going to survive as boutique car-makers.

Which leads to the Great Conundrum of the moment: Reality is telling us that things organized on the gigantic scale are entering failure mode; but so many Americans are employed by exactly those activities organized on the gigantic scale. Or were, I should say. The humungous joint effort by the federal government and its caporegime, the federal reserve, to flood the system with dollars is precisely a desperate effort to prop up the giant-scale activities that defined the prior state-of-things. Those giant enterprises even did an end-run around the truly small businesses that were supposed to get scores of billions in grants, loans, and bailouts so congress is attempting a do-over of that play.

The question, then, is how do you go through a swift and dramatic re-scaling of a hypertrophic, excessively complex, ecologically fragile economic system in a way that doesn’t produce a whole lot of damage? I can’t answer that satisfactorily except to say this: at least recognize what the macro trend is (downscaling and re-localization), and support that as much as possible. Don’t knock yourself out trying to save giant, foundering enterprises that need to go out of business. Don’t bankrupt the society or destroy the meaning of its money to prevent the necessary bankruptcy of things that must go bankrupt. Remove as many obstacles as you possibly can to allow smaller-scaled enterprises to thrive and especially to support the rebuilding of local networks that smaller-scaled businesses play their roles in.

Apart from the insane spending orgy of the fed-gov and the fed, a lot of this is already underway organically and emergently. Few have failed to notice the death throes of national chain retail, for instance. Macys, JC Penny, Neiman Marcus and many other outfits like them are whirling around the drain. By the way, even the holy sainted Walmart will not be immune to this trend. Its supply lines have been cut. And, as I averred on Friday, Amazon’s dumb-ass business model will sink with the oil and trucking industries. Realize, too, commerce will persist in human life. It just won’t be the Blue-Light-Special, credit-fueled phantasmagoria we got used to for a few decades. Commerce, i.e. the trade in goods, will have to be reorganized differently. There are huge opportunities for young people who recognize this.

All this remains to be worked out, and quite a work-out it is apt to be before we get to it. Even with those glorious $1200 checks, millions of people know just how broke and how probably screwed they are. They are being let out of confinement just as fine spring weather sweeps across the land. It will be momentarily exhilarating. Then, the rage and resentment will percolate up and the bile will rise. Before you know it, they’ll be singing that other old Boomer refrain of yesteryear (the Rolling Stones): Summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street….


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  1. malthuss April 27, 2020 at 10:01 am #

    Macys, JC Penny, Neiman Marcus and many other outfits like them are whirling around the drain.

    So what? Bezos is booming.
    Zuck has Libra.

  2. gustafson.robert.22 April 27, 2020 at 10:08 am #

    “Boomers. Back in the day – before they invented the hedge fund, glyphosate, and political correctness ­– they had a way with the deep vision thing. And now, here we are! Just like they saw it.”

    Yeah, when boomers betrayed that they betrayed everything.

  3. PeteAtomic April 27, 2020 at 10:13 am #

    Thanks for the post, Jim

    I was half teasing my wife recently when I said we all might be living like they did on Walton’s Mountain after all this is over, but it might be more true then we all know. I also asked her to teach me how to patch my blue jeans 🙂 she’s not all that amenable to that request 🙂

    One very important change is the food supply. Tyson is reporting today that there are critical supply chain problems. One of these opportunities for young people you allude to going forward is the creation of locally based patchworks of food resources. This is much more practical in rural/small towns & small cities– its the urban areas that will become totally unsustainable in the event of real food shortages, and bring civil disorder & chaos along with it.

  4. scoubidou123 April 27, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    Last week, you wrote: “Amazon’s business model is a joke. The model is: every item purchased makes a separate journey by truck to the customer”

    That would indeed be laughably silly, except that, it’s not quite how it works out in practice. The truck that brings me a package also contains 50 other packages for 50 other customers in my neighbourhood. So we traded 50 customers making 50 separate journeys to the store, for a truck delivering 50 packages to 50 doors. Sort of.

  5. fugeguy April 27, 2020 at 10:21 am #

    I think things will still be closer to the old normal than Jim’s vision of the future- but noticeably different. A fixture of the long emergency seems to be the long slow slog to get to it…

    …that said there is much pain afoot. Many things are going to change and people will feel the pain.

    The bonus is that the next leg down is probably not a decade away this time. We might only get a couple of years at best. With each donnybrook being worse and more dangerous only 1 or 2 left before things stay broke?

    But not there yet unless we get another push.

    • Paul April 29, 2020 at 11:23 pm #

      In the meantime, I will plant this hill of beans. . . .

  6. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    We haven’t been let out of confinement here in New York. Governor Cuomo has just issued an edict that New Yorkers must wear face masks in public.
    Yes, he did say this would be in situations where one could not “social distance” properly, but New York’s agencies such as the Unemployment Division have put it up on their websites that one must wear a mask and social distance.
    Cuomo also gave some really idiotic directions for how joggers could have their required mask at the ready, so if the couldn’t runaway to the other side of the street when encountering another human being, they could whip that mask up over their nose and mouth, quick-like.
    He actually said this stuff.
    He also had to go and talk about supermarkets. Where I live, there is plenty of room to avoid other shoppers in the grocery stores, but now all the stores have posted signs at their entrances, forbidding entry without a face covering. I had developed a theory long before this latest threat to mankind, that everybody seems to aspire to be a narc in our society, right down to the very lowest level of authority, and by that I mean someone who doesn’t have any.
    I believe Cuomo made that caveat to the mask edict because his brother was scolded for being out in public sick with the Wuhan virus, sans a mask.
    The real story there is that a man who makes a living as a reporter on television faked a story about being in quarantine, and his brother the governor probably knew about it and played along.
    Why was it sort of wrong for Brian Williams to lie on television, but not for Fredo and his whole family and the crew that put the story together?
    BTW, the ‘consensus’ is that the having the virus at all part wasn’t
    true either.

    The hospitals up here are far from overwhelmed. Rather empty, in fact. The other ‘consensus’ is that this disease has already been and gone. The people on the “front lines”, the supermarket workers, have been working right along, the same ones.
    Of course, just in time for Doctor Birx to warn us that any minute now we are going to get that surge, Cuomo issues his life-saving mask edict. Now he will proclaim himself the hero who, despite President Trump’s pressure to open up, shut down even tighter and saved millions of lives.
    The MSM, the ones who are ignoring the Fredo hoax, will hail him as a hero.

    • Paul April 29, 2020 at 11:26 pm #

      This might be a good time for you to read some science about the SARS-2 Coronavirus case fatality rates. . .?

  7. RaymondR April 27, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    I expect that the theme of betrayal, as gustafson.robert.22 discussed above, to become more common when people realize that the “normal life” they hoped for will not be possible. Once people begin mourning for the lost American Dream, the anger portion of the grieving process could get ugly. Welcome to the next iteration in the Fourth Turning

    • Paul April 29, 2020 at 11:30 pm #

      I don’t accept the “Fourth Turning” as being anything more than an attempt to project a pattern onto otherwise incidental events through time. That being said, these smart monkeys certainly have a way of freaking out once they realize their normalcy bias has broken down.

  8. CancelMyCard April 27, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    Another song for your consideration today:

    Leonard Cohen Lyrics

    “Everybody Knows”

    Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
    Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
    Everybody knows that the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows

    Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied
    Everybody got this broken feeling
    Like their father or their dog just died

    ……………………………………………..

    And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
    Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
    Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
    Are just a shining artifact of the past
    Everybody knows the scene is dead
    But there’s gonna be a meter on your bed
    That will disclose
    What everybody knows

    And everybody knows that you’re in trouble
    Everybody knows what you’ve been through
    From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
    To the beach of Malibu
    Everybody knows it’s coming apart
    Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
    Before it blows
    And everybody knows

    • Paul April 29, 2020 at 11:36 pm #

      Great song. There are more than a few Canadians who know a lot of these, and Joni’s lyrics, cited in Jim’s column this day.

  9. benr April 27, 2020 at 10:27 am #

    They opened the beaches in San Diego this morning complete shit show hundreds of people wandering around the beach like zombies or clumped up together surfing. The best part is may grey and June gloom is here right on schedule!

    https://www.surfline.com/surf-report/mission-beach/5842041f4e65fad6a7708842

    https://www.surfline.com/surf-report/ocean-beach-pier-/59aedf63b5e8310014bbe375

    Mother earth could not care less about covid19 or the pandemic of fear.

  10. snuggles April 27, 2020 at 10:28 am #

    I used to think Jim had something–ANYTHING–to say about real things. But if you read with clear eyes his frightened and unscientific rantings you would find just a coward that is afraid of technology (his reaction to the moon landing was LITERALLY FEAR).

    Jim has a great aesthetic eye and is quick with a glib turn of phrase. That’s it. He knows nothing and is right about real things only in the way a stopped clock can be right. He is too afraid to see things as they are, and makes his money juicing the fears he shares with others.

    Too bad, Jim. You might have been someone of quality and worth. Instead you are contributing to the fears and irrationality of others, while doing literally nothing to help. Crawl back to your hole, Troll. Trump and his dipshits will join you soon.

    Snuggles– Sorry I disappoint you. But you say it so much better than I can hope to do. Please send link to your blog. — JHK Admin

  11. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 10:29 am #

    The question, then, is how do you go through a swift and dramatic re-scaling of a hypertrophic, excessively complex, ecologically fragile economic system in a way that doesn’t produce a whole lot of damage?
    ==

    Demonish all the housing stock that’s less than 7 floors high and rebuild it to normal urban scale of 5 to 25 floors of heights.

  12. benr April 27, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    @snuggles

    Have you never heard the phrase “if you have nothing nice to say then be silent.”
    That is doubly true for written word.

  13. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 10:32 am #

    Coronavirus concerning, but not as big a threat as other illnesses, Cuomo says
    https://www.amny.com/politics/coronavirus-concerning-but-not-as-big-a-threat-as-other-illnesses-cuomo-says/

    I can’t really blame Andrew for not being concerned about a “health care worker” who came into NYC from Iran with the China virus.
    He’d already been slapped down by the WHO and the White House for getting concerned about quarantines and such during the Ebola panic when it was going to destroy the world but didn’t.
    A doctor infected with Ebola walked all over NYC, so the governor decided to detain another health worker but how dare he. You can detain a whole state full of people but not a holy health care professional.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/n-y-governor-brings-ebola-guidelines-closer-to-federal-rules/

  14. benr April 27, 2020 at 10:34 am #

    @akmofo

    You sound like that ridiculous junior Congress woman AOC.
    She wanted to rip down everything that did not meet green standards and rebuild.
    Never did she stop to think what was going to happen to all the waste from the tear downs.
    Typical leftist liberal never thinks beyond how the feel or virtue signaling.

  15. James Kuehl April 27, 2020 at 10:34 am #

    It was either Abby Hoffman or Jerry Ruben (I can’t find the attribution) who when asked what he planned to do after society collapsed replied, “We’ll groove on the rubble.” We were naive. And overfed. We thought that if you smoked enough dope and read enough books that everyone would come to their senses and live in harmony. Kumbaya. Those of us who went “back to the land” soon found out how hard that is. The slums of the world are full of people looking for a promotion from subsistence farming. I’m not sure I’ll be around to see the next iteration of civilization, but I sure hope it’s not to violent a shitstorm getting there.

  16. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    Why no more ‘reply’ buttons?

    Pete Atomic- I am hearing alarming things from people in Vermont, they have small farms but also distribution issues with groceries on a good day.
    One thing I have not heard, which stand out, is anything from their senator, Bernie Sanders.
    Was part of his deal when he “suspended” his campaign some kind of gag order?

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  17. benr April 27, 2020 at 10:42 am #

    @bERYL

    He finally got the message the vast majority of Americans would rather not hear him speak.
    He has been spewing the same nonsense for thirty years.

  18. LagingRunatic April 27, 2020 at 10:42 am #

    Scoubidou123 – I think Amazon works very differently for you than it does for me. Their delivery vans are on my street multiple times per day, making a drop at one house each time. It seems that they deliver based on one’s place in the order queue instead of one’s place in the neighborhood. And for those whose environmental conscience extends beyond fretting over global warming, the idea of one package per item (which has been the delivery norm of late) is pretty gross.

  19. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 10:42 am #

    benr that’s how SARS spread in China. Everywhere you looked, people wearing surgical masks, but they did not wear them at home, and the plumbing in those towers spreads disease easily.

  20. snagglepuss April 27, 2020 at 10:45 am #

    Up here in the great white north ‘$1200 checks’ are ‘$2000 cheques’, but then our dollar is worth less than yours.
    We have been ‘over retailed’ for many years with one department store chain closing after another, and even if all retail opened tomorrow it wouldn’t help them given many jobs will not be coming back and consumer demand will likely remain weak. People’s confidence has been shaken. That requires a long recovery process.
    As for unaffordable auto loans, it’s no wonder people default. The existing loan balance on their ‘trade in’ is usually almost the cost of the new purchase, and the idea of buying a simple, low cost model doesn’t exist anymore. With gasoline at low prices the appeal of the $90,000 Ford F150 Crew Cab gas guzzler will be ever more so to the ‘lumpen’. Joni Mitchell is a real gem. Canada has delivered a few of those for the worlds enjoyment.

  21. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 10:45 am #

    Laging- I have noticed that 1 package thing myself, and it will be a large box filled up with those plastic air packets as often as not.

  22. zekesdad April 27, 2020 at 10:49 am #

    In terms of big vs small, I don’t think it’s an either / or proposition. I think it will be both. We could have a kind of barbell economy with some of the big survivors getting even bigger. Think JP Morgan / Chase, McDonald’s, Proctor & Gamble, Union Pacific, etc. alongside smaller more nimble local businesses. Giant businesses got that way for a reason, they are (often) more efficient than smaller competitors. Lot’s of people eat at McDonald’s because it’s cheaper than the (usually better) mom & pop place across the street. All those defunct stores on main streets across the country had their goods shipped to them by trucks, usually in many separate trucks moving goods from point to point. Walmart started off as a small town dry-goods merchant in Arkansas where Mr. Sam got the idea to turn a small
    department store into a giant warehouse with some cash registers in front staffed by minimum wage workers. Then Jeff Bezos took it a step further by eliminating the brick & mortar store altogether. The Amazon warehouse out by the airport in my city is probably over a million sq. ft. Sure, they ship everything to the customer, but on the other hand look at all the car trips to the store those customers no longer take

  23. michics April 27, 2020 at 10:50 am #

    I hope others are trying help the locally owned restaurants out with carryout orders vs the chain restaurants. I think the point a lot of people are missing is that the shut in and the resulting lowering level of infections means the virus is being beaten down. Not in the least. It is still active and we all are likely to contract it some time in the foreseeable future unless we are some of the lucky ones to have already had it and didn’t know it.

  24. michics April 27, 2020 at 10:53 am #

    Beryl of Oyl, yes you are correct. I’m a car guy and have ordered numerous parts from Summit racing as well as Amazon. The shippers stock 2-4 different size boxes and use accordingly. Even though they are filled with air.

  25. JohnAZ April 27, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    Benr

    The Left lives for change. Change for no good reason, change to spend, spend, spend. The next few years results will depend on what happens when the Deep State finds out there is no money to spend. The printing presses can only run so much, then the money stops having meaning. Debt is borrowing from a bigger future. If there is no bigger future, then what? That day of reckoning is upon us. And the Progressive movement dies in its tracks.

    Watch the seven states who are reducing the lockdown. We have a virus that is challenging humanity for leadership in the world. A week from now will show if more intermixing is going to be permissible. If the states show a resurge, we will see some sort of reaction. Either a return to destructive lockdown with no positive end date, or an acknowledgment that we are going to have to tough our way through a couple of years of sickness to try to create herd immunity and stop the virus. Either way, the Progressive movement dies in its tracks. No more bucks.

  26. benr April 27, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    @michic

    I came to that same conclusion about a month ago.
    We all will get it hopefully not over and over.

  27. Pucker April 27, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    What do you think about “Remote Learning”? It seems to disrupt the day care model of education in the US? Plus, it doesn’t give teachers like Chaz Buttigieg an opportunity to “steer kids in the right direction.” (“Steers and Queers”)

    We need to protect the teachers from fat, weird-looking kids who may have the Covid 19 virus who surreptitiously fart in class, or who may try to Shawshank a fart during a one-on-one after-school teaching session with their heterosexual or gay teacher.

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/i-just-cant-do-this-frustrated-parents-giving-up-on-home-school

  28. shotho April 27, 2020 at 11:01 am #

    If Mr. Kunstler is correct that the future is small, local operations, then there must be a transition to there. It is optimistic to think that the last American generations will be able to make it without significant stress and anxiety. I know that my grandsons are completely unprepared to work in an environment that does not provide, more or less, instant gratification. Is it going to be a Beaver, Cleaver world coming up or Mad Max?

  29. messianicdruid April 27, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    It is time for civil disobedience. Stop being puppies.

    We are better than this.

  30. JohnAZ April 27, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    I was wondering.

    What happens when restaurants may find out that takeout and delivery might be more profitable than half full dining rooms and bars. Will they have to jack up prices to support half empty dining rooms. How long will the younger set wait in line for entrance? Wait times might be self limiting. I would guess it would be self limiting when the wait time is twice the eat time.

  31. Beryl of Oyl April 27, 2020 at 11:05 am #

    The automobile industry is heavily dependent on a sort of pyramid scheme, as are the big box stores.
    That’s why you won’t see the chain migration from Third World countries cut back on.
    A friend who works in a hospital mentioned to me that the staff notice as soon as foreign workers arrive here, the purchase or lease SUVs. This is at odds with the Green New Deal Stuff, but the Green New Deal isn’t what the Old Guard of the Democrat Party are about. They also like the wages being driven down by the mass immigration. The Republicans love it too. The New Deal part of the Democrats think they can just rage wages to fifteen bucks an hour by fiat, but that will have the effect of creating monopolies in the grocery industry.

    That whole Arab Spring thing was allegedly touched off by some poor sap trying to sell a few vegetables.

  32. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 11:10 am #

    Puzzles, haha.

    We finished a thousand piece puzzle just this morning, my wife and I. It took about 3 weeks … I was nonchalant in the beginning, but became obsessed and found myself working on it all hours of the day and night. There were some tense moments. My advice is if you want to stay married don’t embark on a project such as this. It’s almost as bad as hanging wallpaper with your wife.

    Brh

  33. venuspluto67 April 27, 2020 at 11:11 am #

    But in the meantime, the financial markets sure seem to enjoying the jumbo-sized fix of central-bank funny-munny they are now receiving as a result of the pandemic crisis. But then again, they always do, at least for a while, sometimes a long while. I suspect this particular while won’t be quite as long as recent ones, though.

  34. RB April 27, 2020 at 11:12 am #

    The farmer raising chickens can’t get them to market nor can he afford to buy feed for them even if said feed is available which is won’t be in due time. Few livestock farmers/ranchers have enough pasture to keep their stock fed. They require supplemental feeds and/or hay from previous seasons. There is no incentive to spend money on a commodity that you cannot get to a market. Tyson says there will be shortages. There’s no reason to think that will be resolved. From field to your grocery store is a very complex system. One that is breaking down daily. Other farmers are experiencing supply chain issues; outgoing and incoming. Where will you get seed from? Even if you have a crappy little garden you have plants that are modified so that you cannot use seed from the plant for next season. Where will you get your canning supplies even if you knew how to preserve? This isn’t the 1800s where food preservation was common to every household. Mr. K has outlined in his books what a “new world” might look like. My only objection to his view is that it isn’t nearly negative enough.

  35. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 11:14 am #

    Hey, BoO, if you want the lowdown on Green Energy, the Green New Deal, green this and green that, check out Michael Moore’s new film ‘Planet of the Humans’. Clue: the whole thing is a scam, a grift on a colossal scale.

    Brh

  36. Pucker April 27, 2020 at 11:15 am #

    Where is Jeffrey Epstein? What was Jeffrey Epstein’s “Summer of 42”?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-gates-praised-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-kind-of-intriguing

  37. Pucker April 27, 2020 at 11:18 am #

    Exponential Growth: They expect 100 years of technological change within the next 5 years.

    The Plan….

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMkSNj_-7Q&t=1217s

  38. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 11:28 am #

    benr
    ==

    I thought we were all for urban renewal. Don’t force it on anyone, but at the same time provide proper incentives to the developers and the old and new residents. The old residents would get 30% addition to their square footage to their old homes. The new residents get 30% discount from stand alone housing. The municipalities save a ton in infrastructure. Everyone is happy.

    In Israel they call this program “Pinui-Binui”, and it’s VERY successful!

    Here’s an example of how things can look:

    https://www.google.co.il/maps/@32.1280774,34.7926166,3a,75y,62.46h,93.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siJptDhjpkeum1T3ue8kUiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DiJptDhjpkeum1T3ue8kUiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D141.13298%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

  39. DMH April 27, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    “They are being let out of confinement just as fine spring weather sweeps across the land. It will be momentarily exhilarating. “

    And then they will get sick and die.

  40. newworld April 27, 2020 at 11:53 am #

    The great Virus Charade 2020 has gone a bit long, good to be precautious and flatten the curve, now it is just a power trip to beat conservatives about the head. Already the poor colored folk are ignoring the edicts of this or that, nor do they care a wit about what some progressive, usually a white Karen type has to say.

    I just want my freedom from the Blue Hive Jonestowns.

  41. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 11:57 am #

    Absolutely! There are way too many Karens involved in the important decision making!

  42. malthuss April 27, 2020 at 11:57 am #

    Pucker, check Utube, CirstenW, she posted Jeffs photographer was murdered [no surprise].

    and

    Jim has a great aesthetic eye and is quick with a glib turn of phrase. That’s it. He knows nothing…

    Malthuss — You, on the other hand, know it all, right? — JHK Admin

  43. malthuss April 27, 2020 at 11:58 am #

    17 million dollar field hospital in Texas never saw one sick soul.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/houston-looking-dismantling-17m-temp-hospital-didnt-see-single-patient/

  44. newworld April 27, 2020 at 11:59 am #

    Something more interesting than my opinions was just posted to zerohedge, home of the trolls about Trump asking why D-party one party states should be bailed out by the Fed government. That will be one interesting debate trying to keep afloat California and NYC salaried Democratic voters on Arkansas backs.

    FTR I want myself one of those gold plated Cali pension packages.

  45. stelmosfire April 27, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

    My state, MA, just released a bunch of stats yesterday. We have been hit hard by the virus. We’re no. 3 on the hit parade after NY and NJ. Take a look at the pie charts about halfway down. Every age gets the Covid equally. Look at the chart broken down by age. For those under 30 yo it is a total nothing burger. Even under 40 is a sliver. The older crowd owns it and the majority of them have comorbidity. Half of the deaths in the state are in nursing homes. Isn’t that where they park people waiting to die?
    https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/data/

  46. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

    What do you think will be done with all the ventilators that are being made but will never be used? Some states had stockpiles of ventilators in the past and sold them off prior to this most recent scare.

  47. SW April 27, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    They’ve known for weeks now the people who get the most serious cases of Covid 19 are the old, weak and sick to begin with. Half of the deaths in NY were in nursing homes. I can understand when this all hit people were quarantined enmasse but there’s no reason to continue it. Let the people most likely to get sick stay at home and let everyone else get on with it.

    And face masks don’t work very well either and if Drs. Brix and Fauci don’t know this I’m wondering why they still have jobs. Surely Brix has a lifetime supply of scarves and can retire early.

    Where do we go from here? Here’s a great quote from Seneca who lived in the reign of Nero and Caligula (that couldn’t have been easy) —

    “So let those people go on weeping and wailing whose self-indulgent minds have been weakened by long prosperity, let them collapse at the threat of the most trivial injuries; but let those who have spent all their years suffering disasters endure the worst afflictions with a brave and resolute staunchness. Everlasting misfortune does have one blessing, that it ends up by toughening those whom it constantly afflicts.”
    ? Seneca, On the Shortness of Life

  48. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

    Everlasting misfortune? Geeze that sounds great. Nothing like a bit of positivity with your morning espresso. 🙂

  49. mow April 27, 2020 at 12:30 pm #

    I love that new car coronavirus disinfectant smell 🙂

  50. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

    Wow they are disinfecting new cars already lol? Talk about being proactive! Oh yeah, the assembly line workers didn’t wear masks and gloves. A big no no you know! 🙂

  51. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 12:45 pm #

    “Wow they are disinfecting new cars already lol?”

    They don’t need to be disinfected. You just need to leave them be for a week and any virus on them will be dead. Don’t know if leaving things alone for a week is a thing any more, though, in these days of just-in-time living.

    • SpeedyBB May 1, 2020 at 3:01 am #

      GA, that is what struck me about all those parked aircraft they were so ostentatiously ‘disinfecting’. After they’re parked 10 days or two weeks, and nobody goes inside them, all the Cootie-19 has died off.

      What gives? Is it pure theatre?

      • GreenAlba May 1, 2020 at 10:59 am #

        Don’t know, SpeedyBB, I haven’t actually seen the footage.

        Just as likely to be pure ignorance as pure theatre, though, I’d guess.

  52. SW April 27, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

    Malthuss — from the article you posted:

    “it was the overcooked models that were responsible for this. In almost every city, the apocalyptic predictions of massive hospital overflow never came true; they all had enough capacity to deal with patients.
    When this is over, we need to figure out why the models were so very wrong.”

    The people trying to be heard that this was NOT going to be an apocalypse were outshouted by our trusted government officials. The man in the UK who said millions would die was the same one that had done the predictions for mad cow disease which turned out to be completely wrong. Read this —

    “Since the AIDS epidemic, people have been pumping out such models with often incredible figures. For AIDS, the Public Health Service announced (without documenting) there would be 450,000 cases by the end of 1993, with 100,000 in that year alone. The media faithfully parroted it. There were 17,325 by the end of that year, with about 5,000 in 1993. SARS (2002-2003) was supposed to kill perhaps “millions,” based on analyses. It killed 744 before disappearing.

    Later, avian flu strain A/H5N1, “even in the best-case scenarios” was to “cause 2 (million) to 7 million deaths” worldwide. A British professor named Neil Ferguson scaled that up to 200 million.

    It killed 440.

    This same Ferguson in 2002 had projected 50-50,000 deaths from so-called “Mad Cow Disease.” On its face, what possible good is a spread that large? (We shall return to this.)

    The final toll was slightly over 200.”

  53. wpa_ccc April 27, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

    Reality is telling us that things organized on the gigantic scale are entering failure mode

    And yet here we are posting on the world wide GLOBAL web.

    Globalism in commerce, transportation, communication, etc. is a fact.

    “Localism” is nostalgic happy talk.

  54. JustSaying April 27, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

    We have all had it with this insanity and the idiots in charge!

    Here are two doctors with common sense:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/2-whisteblowing-cali-er-doctors-urge-open-society-now-because-lockdowns-are-weakening-our

  55. WayfaringStranger April 27, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

    I never like slides on the playground. You have to do the work of climbing up which is boring and too often involved an overly-close view of another kid’s butt. So you start at the top, have a brief moment of Whee, and then end with knee-jamming thud OR the slide surface is so bad you have to skooch around to even “slide” down.
    This article was a slide.
    Not a huge Joni fan but CSNY was among the approx 5 albums I owned, saw them (minus Y) in real life and felt a warm Boomer-glow at their mention. Then I really appreciated the description of consignment shops.
    “old stuff people got rid of, mostly for good reasons” will stay with me, and I am a diehard second-hander and repurposer since way back, but still you had a great observation there.
    Then it skooches around a bit, staying on the familiar messaging about scale, and still that there is only one possible way it can go. I understand this is about The Brand, but you started this whole thing way before robotics and all types of AI really showed up.
    It’s important to note that AI and robotics are often unlike how we Normies imagine they will be.
    Who among us really expected the massive hit to public libraries. If you haven’t noticed the tectonic shifting that has been going on there then I can’t describe it here.
    Cyndi (more fun and less whiny than Joni) sang “Money changes everything” but AI probably changes it more, so I insist, “it’s all in the past now, AI changes everything”. And that will impact the ability for those local small scale operations to even get off the ground let alone thrive.
    A LOT of money has been invested in the brave new AI world and none of the investors are going to let that investment go to waste. The response to COVID is killing the littler guys and they will be sprayed with some kind of policy pesticide, globalist glyphosate should they try to revive. That will probably be AI, combined with low low wage immigrant labor. Middle American Mayberry folks will not be able to compete with that. (That was the skooching around part, now comes the knee-jamming thud.
    Trucking is obviously hit when the supply chain is hit, but in no way can the whole (deemed essential, like doctors, right?) industry go away as you describe. Most of our growing seasons in the US are short, land is unwelcoming, raw materials to build stuff in order to build more stuff is far far away from where you are, and where I am.

    Without oranges you get scurvy.
    Trucks bring you oranges. Mules do not and can not.

    Hyper-localism is also slavery, just not slavery to a corporation, government, or society – slavery to weather, physical limitations and requirements and above all else to Chance. A return to the Old Days also means a return to the old problems and they were doozies. There was a reason people rushed to the conveniences of the last mid-century and it wasn’t because they were all misguided assholes.

    Being subject to the hard realities of localism is a very tough and often impossible life. It’s hard to see how an extreme scenario you describe (and it is extreme) will be a positive answer. We may be slammed back there, but it will be a grueling lifestyle, probably with new types of dysfunction arising in society. Physical strength will likely regain status. (something for the ladies to look forward to). If there’s a group remarkably unequipped to deal with any version of that throwback life it is NOT today’s young people, unless they grew up rural or on the remaining farms. Most have no idea at all.
    And I fucking hate The Stones.

  56. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

    Apparently the disease kills mostly men. And now they are giving patients estrogen. No doubt this was how it was designed. Or did any of the other coronas act this way? Nicotine is good too. They couldn’t make up their minds whether to be politically correct or not. Too many chefs?

    They shouldn’t have locked us in before they gave everyone a way to enter cyber reality as a complete environment. Then it could have been fun. Now we’re a gonna rebel from the Tyranny. They went 1984 on us when they could have waited and gone Brave New World. Big mistake.

  57. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 1:45 pm #

    “Apparently the disease kills mostly men. And now they are giving patients estrogen. No doubt this was how it was designed. ”

    Sorry to disappoint your conspiracy theory hopes, but women’s immune systems are just stronger generally, so it wouldn’t matter what virus you were talking about.

    Oestrogen may well be implicated in the slight advantage that women have generally. I have paid attention to this because I’m on oestrogen blockers, so take no particular comfort in it personally.

  58. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

    https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/article_9723ecae-87d1-11ea-adac-e36fdc6742a9.html

    Pastor “Tony Spell” (what a cool name) has been arrested three times. He don’t care. He just keep going to Church and holding services. Now he an ankle monitor – a red badge of honor. The man is a fucking hero.

    Near “Baton Rouge” or Red Stick in your language. SSL, this may be the Shepherd you’ve been looking for!

  59. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

    Alba: Is this a common practice, giving female hormones to men that is in the case of illness not perversion?

  60. JustSaying April 27, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    Covid-19 deaths in the state of Maryland:

    446 Males
    412 Females

  61. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

    I have no more idea than you do, Janos – I just learned it from your post. but I doubt it very much. They’re trying all sorts, including nicotine patches (who’d have predicted that for a respiratory illness?).

  62. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm #

    Since viruses aren’t alive, how can they die? They need us to truly live. Thus if conditions aren’t propitious, perhaps they just retreat into their shells where they can subsist almost forever, even through the abyss of cold interstellar space.

    As Leonard Nimoy said as one of the Pod People in the Body Snatchers: There is no need for hatred – or love.

  63. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

    Alba: Thank you. Try everything is the right approach. So why bash Trump for his brainstorming or advocacy for Chloriquil (sp?)?

    As you know, he did not advocate drinking lysol. He putting forward a chemotherapy type idea as well as the idea of light inside the body, something like an x-ray I assume, though probably it would be a different frequency.

  64. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    Just: That must be a different strain, race, or breed of covid. Viruses love diversity.

  65. Ron Anselmo April 27, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    @Shotho@11:01

    Mad Max, depending on where you live. Ward & June, nowhere in sight.

  66. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

    Fact check:

    Hospitals and doctors get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID19 and three times more if placed on a ventilator.
    This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the CARES Act through a Medicare add-on to its regular DRG payment for COVID19 patients.
    ==

    Talk about incentivized to kill. In Europe they murdered over 100,000 elderly. Nice savings on Social Insurance payments. But all is well as Pope Francis performed Mass for their speedy commute to the next world. Italian police will be investigating and will find nothing wrong with our MD certified gods or their pharma mafia sponsors.

  67. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

    Wow you’ve heard about Tony Spell! They are lying outright I see. He didn’t try to hit that protestor with the bus. He just came kinda close. That protestor had been cussing people out as they came into the church parking lot and he was calling them expletives and condemning them and Christians generally. Pastor Spell just got really angry one day and it took everything within him not to beat down that man I’m sure. He is a genuine Southern Pentecostal preacher lol. When this started he had told his congregation he would lay hands on anyone who got the virus and they would be healed.

  68. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

    Since viruses aren’t alive, how can they die?
    ==

    They eat and shit and reproduce. Them are alive.

  69. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

    Is it not said, Ye shall take up serpents? That guy was a serpent and Brother Spell wanted to lift him up!

    Have you tried taking up serpents yet?

  70. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

    They eat and shit and reproduce. Them are alive.
    ==

    Them are more alive than Jebus, who miraculously does none of them things. Too busy saving criminal souls and sending them heaven, where they are reincarnated as Vatican saints ready to again practice Nazi ideology:

    “Allegations of Vatican involvement in the escape of Nazi war criminals after World War II have emerged in statements by a French Nazi-hunter and a declassified State Department report.

    According to Serge Klarsfeld, a Paris lawyer who has specialized in tracking down fugitive Nazis, Walter Rauff, a former SS colonel wanted for the mass gassing of Jews in mobile death vans, told in 1962 of having been given refuge in Vatican City convents for 18 months after the war.

    Chile, which has harbored the 77- year-old Mr. Rauff for more than 25 years, is now facing growing demands for his expulsion. Yesterday Israel made a formal request to Chile for Mr. Rauff’s extradition. And Simon Wiesenthal, the Vienna-based Nazi-hunter, and a Los Angeles institute affiliated with him said the State Department had recently taken an interest in the case. Historian Obtains Report

    The formerly top secret State Department report, dated 1947 and never officially made public, called the Vatican ”the largest single organization involved in the illegal movement of emigrants,” including Nazis. The report was obtained by a historian of the Holocaust, Charles R. Allen Jr. of Manhattan, who made it available to The New York Times.”

  71. Nightowl April 27, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

    Remember those 12 Russians Mueller indicted? The only thing to come out of the entire investigation?

    The charges were quietly dropped last month.

    https://twitter.com/MariaBartiromo/status/1254754565095854082

    That Truth Train is a chuggin down the track!

  72. Nightowl April 27, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

    “We finished a thousand piece puzzle just this morning, my wife and I. It took about 3 weeks …”

    —————————————————————

    My son and I built two Japanese hobby grade RC cars over two weeks. About 2000 parts between them.

    At this point I reckon I could dis- and reassemble a differential or shock absorber from my full size car without breaking a sweat.

  73. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

    Akmo: Thank you finally coming clean about what you think about Christ. Pure Talmud as usual. I had a Jewish housemate once who had never read the Protocols, but came up with almost an exact version on his own. Both of you are under the Egregor (thought form), Jehovah.

    From the wiki “virus”:

    A virus is a submicroscopic infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism. Viruses can infect all types of life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea.[1] Since Dmitri Ivanovsky’s 1892 article describing a non-bacterial pathogen infecting tobacco plants, and the discovery of the tobacco mosaic virus by Martinus Beijerinck in 1898,[2] more than 6,000 virus species have been described in detail,[3] of the millions of types of viruses in the environment.[4] Viruses are found in almost every ecosystem on Earth and are the most numerous type of biological entity.[5][6] The study of viruses is known as virology, a subspeciality of microbiology.

    JS: As i said, they are not alive as we understand it until they get inside a body.

  74. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

    Fascinating etymology of the word, “virus”:

    Etymology
    The word is from the Latin neuter v?rus referring to poison and other noxious liquids, from the same Indo-European base as Sanskrit vi?a, Avestan v?ša, and ancient Greek ??? (all meaning “poison”), first attested in English in 1398 in John Trevisa’s translation of Bartholomeus Anglicus’s De Proprietatibus Rerum.[11][12] Virulent, from Latin virulentus (poisonous), dates to c. 1400.[13][14] A meaning of “agent that causes infectious disease” is first recorded in 1728,[12] long before the discovery of viruses by Dmitri Ivanovsky in 1892. The English plural is viruses (sometimes also vira[15] or viri[16]), whereas the Latin word is a mass noun, which has no classically attested plural (v?ra is used in Neo-Latin[17]). The adjective viral dates to 1948.[18] The term virion (plural virions), which dates from 1959,[19] is also used to refer to a single viral particle that is released from the cell and is capable of infecting other cells of the same type.[20]

    JS: from the Greek and Sanskrit, visa, meaning poison. What an apt name for a credit card.

  75. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

    Thank you finally coming clean about what you think about Christ.
    ==

    Finally? Geez, you’re slow. I guess when for months and months I wrote that it was all imperial Roman PSYOPS propaganda nonsense, and specifically argued and documented how so, it all went over your head.

  76. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

    visa = vice/vise

  77. benr April 27, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

    Normally Michael Moore documentaries ruin counter to common sense and reality bu this planet of humans said much of the same things I have been saying here for YEARS about “green energy”.

  78. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 3:19 pm #

    “Alba: Thank you. Try everything is the right approach. So why bash Trump for his brainstorming or advocacy for Chloriquil (sp?)?”

    Because chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can make people very sick, so you don’t declare it as a panacea unless you know it is.

    I gave you details of what happened in the trials at the Vet. hospitals – more people died who got the treatment than those who got standard treatments. Trump is now dissociating himself from it, having seen the results.

    Oestrogen isn’t likely to do anything to you, on the other hand. Nor, I presume, is a nicotine patch.

    Primum non nocere.

  79. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

    I have not :-). I am working on building my faith in order to get there.

  80. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 3:27 pm #

    You’re wrong, Ben. At least as far as solar energy goes. The latest 3 energy power plants built in Israel were all solar, even though Israel has now huge reserves of natural gas to use for electricity. The cost of solar pretty much follows Moore’s Law and as miniaturization of electronic circuits exponentially proceeds forward so does the efficiency of solar panel circuits. My impression is that as of today, solar power plants are likely the cheapest in cost per kWh. The problem with solar is scalability and it natural quality for decentralization. The gov mafia doesn’t want anyone to be independent of it and its control.

  81. Q. Shtik April 27, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

    As long as there are 7.5 billion people on our planet (and growing) large scale commerce is inevitable. We need a huge (6.5 billion) die-off spread out over, say, 100 years leaving earth with one billion people.

    The planet needs a lengthy break (decades?, centuries?, millennia?) to restore itself.

    Almost every person alive today will have died by 2120. The problem is that before they die they will have reproduced way more than 7.5 billion offspring in their wake. How can we get 7.5 billion people to accept a drastic cutback on reproduction. Even the ‘one-child’ rule in China was barely successful and only for a time. I wonder what caused the infertility in the movie “Children of Men?”

    Over-crowding is at the root of most of earth’s problems (pandemics, resources, etc.).

  82. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 3:31 pm #

    I believe Cuomo made that caveat to the mask edict because his brother was scolded for being out in public sick with the Wuhan virus, sans a mask.

    The real story there is that a man who makes a living as a reporter on television faked a story about being in quarantine, and his brother the governor probably knew about it and played along.

    Why was it sort of wrong for Brian Williams to lie on television, but not for Fredo and his whole family and the crew that put the story together?

    What utter drivel … more conspiracy porn from the sick minds of the MAGA crowd. We have watch Chris Cuomo for weeks and weeks, go bravely through the whole Covid-19 thing in considerable pain, and not without a little fear.

    He has been brilliant, articulate, and brought a huge amount of information, support, advice, and comfort to those affected by the virus, and their families.

    He is finally declared recovered, with two negative tests, and he can rejoin his family. It’s been a great real-life story … normally I don’t like it when journos and anchors talk about their own dramas, but in this case it was excellent, and a genuine public service.

    And he goes outside for a breather, and people want to pour a bucket of shit all over him. Pathetic indeed. The sane people who would crumble like cellophane if there was any threat to their own flabby little ass.

  83. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

    Headed down to Big Lots, gonna pick me up a Flat Screen TV.

    $1200 buys a lot of TV nowadays.

    15 years ago Bid Screens were an expensive item. Not now.

    SUPERSIZE IT!!!!

    BRH

  84. thwack April 27, 2020 at 3:41 pm #

    GreenAlba
    April 27, 2020 at 1:45 pm #

    Sorry to disappoint your conspiracy theory hopes, but women’s immune systems are just stronger generally, so it wouldn’t matter what virus you were talking about.

    ***************
    Thanks for this softball GreenEbola; brace yourself as I slam it out of the park:

    Women don’t have stronger immune systems. Women is life on “easy mode”; how many female coal miners do you know?

    How many female house painters do you know?

    Men work all the dangerous, unhealthy jobs that tax your muscles and organs…

    Women sit on there asses all day; Thats why 90% of all trannies are men pretending to be women; they know its easier to be a woman; because woman is life on easy mode.

  85. shabbaranks April 27, 2020 at 3:47 pm #

    Dementia Joe says there was no quid pro quo.

    “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

  86. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

    Hey Q that’s the solution reached in Michael Moore’s film ‘Planet of the Humans’, too many people. I always figured the environmental movement would get around to population reduction as a (final) solution. Those f#kjers (environmentalists) want their world squeaky clean and always reminded me of a bunch of goddam Nazis anyway. Trouble is nobody is volunteering to reduce the world’s population … so they might try to do it by force.

    Brh

  87. shabbaranks April 27, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

    BackRowHeckler,

    I paid $3,000 for a LG 45 inch LCD television from Circuit City (remember them?) back in 2003. I gave it away to a relative a few years back – it still runs! – but you’re right, $1,200 will get you a top of the line thin flatscreen, internet enabled TV these days.

  88. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

    https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/duck-dynasty-stars-home-riddled-with-bullets-drive-by-shooting/LNI75B7DXREFZKMWYQZODLBXNE/

    Louisiana is the Eye of the Storm now. Extreme Red meets extreme Blue. The Blue Wolf is trying to blow the Red House down.

  89. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

    Thwack

    “Women don’t have stronger immune systems. Women is life on “easy mode”; how many female coal miners do you know?”

    I don’t know any, but I know that physical (muscular) strength has nothing whatever to do with immunity to infectious disease and a male office worker and a female office worker don’t have exactly the same immune system. You’re not going to get mesothelioma from working in a kindergarten, but that’s not an infectious disease.

    I understand you like putting women down, Thwack, but that’s not my problem. Facts are facts.

    Boy babies are naturally more likely to die neonatally than girl babies. Slightly more boy babies are born. Modern medicine ensures that these days the natural preponderance of neonatal deaths among boy babies isn’t seen. Fast forward to a WMBH, and you might just see it again.

    You should lose the agenda, Thwack. It does you no favours. It’s not a competition in the sense that you seem to want.

  90. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

    And I do hope you don’t think that, after all the crap I’ve taken from a certain other person on here that ‘Greenebola’ is even going to raise and eyebrow.

  91. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 4:19 pm #

    Alba: Don’t blame Thwack, that’s Black Culture just like clitorectomies are part of some Muslim Culture. Don’t be a bigot. Surely you don’t believe in intrinsic right and wrong irrespective of Culture? Because that’s a very non-progressive attitude that won’t take you far.

  92. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 4:28 pm #

    Yes, let’s apply the fair ideology to everything right. That means that you are entitled to the way you feel and your feelings are real and need to be accepted by everyone.

  93. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 4:30 pm #

    I’m not surprised about the drive by. There are extremes here and they are getting bigger. However, the Red is still very dominant. But the Blue is doing everything it can behind the scenes to shift power in their direction. Edwards, the Democrat governor was telling us that we need to stop being racists and stay home because Covid is killing his base. I mean he basically said that without saying it.

  94. Robert White April 27, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

    Medical Martial Law allows for the redesign of markets that have already failed or are slated to fail as the Central Banks & bankers understood long in advance that they would need a systemic rollout in order to paper over the fact that they just got bailed out again whilst they just screwed mainstreet Mom & Pop businesses throughout the neofeudal empire of western commerce.

    Neofeudalism comes in the form of a vaccine & proprietary manufacture of contact tracing & testing regime. The wild wild west is targeting business where the money is flowing in BIG pharmacology which is actually undergirding the whole vaccine industry that all governments are going to have to fund via the patent for testing regime & treatment regime across the board.

    Prior to the release of this deadly pathogen the corporate world evidenced the greatest exodus of presiding chief-executive in the history of Capitalism as over 1600 CEOs took early retirement ahead of this nCov-19 release.

    Macy’s & WalMart/Kmart et cetera are not the new feudalist lords whereas the BIG Pharmacology titans are indeed capturing large market funding share away from all small business enterprise Mom & Pop establishments across the commerce domains worldwide.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us all about this sort of deep state & corporate takeover of society & our commons of commerce globally.
    It would appear that he was prescient by about 60 years since he retired.

    Hollywood was boarding up their storefronts two months ago, and the electioneering seems to have been captured via nCov-19 to switch the channel away from geopolitics of financial decoupling at stochastic rate of speed for markets.

    Baltic Dry Index was also prescient in terms of advanced warning of collapse of dry bulk shipping on all ship classification.

    The Great Financial Crisis of 08 never was resolved and it has come back to haunt civilization until it is finally resolved equitably.

    P.S. The last Green Acres cast member died two weeks ago.

    Looks like Beaver Cleaver is finally hitting Chapter 11, but there is always Big pharmacology.

    RW

  95. benr April 27, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

    #akmofo

    There IS NOTHING green about solar energy.
    It has the same pitfalls as making computer chips.
    Go to San Jose and try and drink from any of the streams or eat the fish you catch in the area.
    All by products of the computer chip industry from the 80’s.
    Much like satellite tv works well till there is a weather event or a big fire, sandstorm, extra smog, and suddenly it no work so well!
    Worse like everything it has diminishing returns and eventually must be disposed of and replaced which of course it will be toxic waste and you will be forced to pay to have it removed.
    I’m not wrong it all my neighbor got a bunch of solar panels the only thing have really done for him is sheered of the peak rates California has imposed.

  96. benr April 27, 2020 at 5:12 pm #

    @thwack

    Dude come on you look foolish with statements like life as a women is easy mode.
    My work is physically harder but my wife is tireless!
    Go watch any cross fit class and the women out work the men by a huge margin!

  97. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 5:30 pm #

    Janos

    “Alba: Don’t blame Thwack, that’s Black Culture just like clitorectomies are part of some Muslim Culture. Don’t be a bigot.”

    I’m not a bigot. That’s why I’m not cutting him any slack because he’s black. I’ve read the chapter in JHK’s book and I get that he’s a clever guy. So I don’t need to make excuses for his agenda – it’s his own personal responsibility.

    My grandfathers were a wood-cutting machinist and a leather worker from Ireland, who moved to Glasgow and became a boiler stoker/factory labourer. My parents were working class kids who had to leave school at 14. My dad went back to night school at 20 and caught up with the schooling he missed, then trained to become a draughtsman. Thwack didn’t have to leave school at 14, so, no, no special pleading. Not on those grounds anyway.

    And one of my best friends is from Belfast. Her mother worked in a damask-weaving factory all her life (women’s work) and inhaled fibres that gave her COPD. She had an oxygen machine in her house in the years before she died. I drove her with my friend to some nice places in Fife when they visited and she couldn’t walk with us. Her husband was a gambler that she left because of his gambling and she brought up her kids by herself. Admirably.

    Thwack doesn’t know everything about women’s lives.

  98. Q. Shtik April 27, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

    Women sit on there asses all day; – Thwack at 3:41 pm

    ===========

    The sentence above has more impact if you add the words “eating bon bons.”

    P.S. it’s ‘their’ asses.

  99. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 5:44 pm #

    “Women sit on there asses all day;”

    Who the heck do people think worked on the farms and in the factories during the war when the men were away fighting?

    Jeez.

  100. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

    From JHK:

    Open up is code, of course, for return to normal. You’re kidding, right?

    I hope the happy-motoring crowd and happy-talking media are kidding, and also wrong. However my concern is that things will indeed “snap back” to a version of the recently normal, despite how unhealthy, broke, unfair, crazily complex, and unsustainable so much of it is.

    Lots of talk everywhere (with most of it not as radical or pessimistic as JHK) about all the things that will change for the better, ranging from work-at-home, to better health services, to better care for the aged, and better respect of the front-line workers.

    But my fear is that right after the first football kick-off, the first NASCAR green light, the first new blockbuster release … the punters will rush out there and try to get it all back the same, and forget all about making things better … in fact they’ll give up thinking at all.

    From today’s essay again:

    Where I live, the future happened ten years ago. Main Street is nothing but consignment shops, that is, old stuff people got rid of, mostly for good reasons. The one thing you can’t get there is food, unless there’s a bowl of mints next to the cash register. Oh, and the Kmart in town shuttered exactly a year ago, so the supply of new-stuff-waiting-to-be-old-stuff has been cut off, too. Welcome to America, the next chapter.

    This has been a recurrent theme … JHK’s fairly bleak pictures of his home area. I just ask how this can be? The US is a wealthy country, and much of the Northeast is a wealthy region.

    How then does a Main Street not support a couple of coffee shops, bakers, butchers, fruit&veg, a convenience store, and maybe a pub and a restaurant or two?

    Because this is not Australia and you do not understand what has happened in the USA — JHK Admin

    Where do the people grocery shop? Is there one supermarket on the edge of town, or do people drive miles to do it?

    And where are the banks, post office, and library? The dry-cleaner, florist, hairdresser, day spa, hardware, clothing, shoe, travel agent?

    I live in a semi-inner suburb I concede, and in a wealthy city and country, but I can walk to half a dozen shopping streets with most of the stores listed above. I could get a coffee and a danish in about 50 places. As well as walk to a mega-mall where it’s all replicated again.

    What gives? What is so forlorn about up\state New York?

  101. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

    Akfomo you are blessed you live in sunny Israel where solar energy might work out OK. Where I’m at, on the other hand, the sky looks like it was dredged up from the bottom of the North Atlantic most of the time … cold hard rain today, for example, sleet last night, and sleet again tonite, and rain predicted for the next 3 weeks. Which is probably why everybody here is so goddam miserable. Day after day of this, combine with the shock of the C-virus, and the world seems haunted.

    Brh

  102. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 5:52 pm #

    Ben, by that measure there’s nothing that can be classified as Green in our modern world. I like modern comforts and luxuries, especially electricity and everything it allows. I don’t think anyone would go back to be without it. The question is what method of producing electricity is least damaging and most sustainable/renewable. To my mind it’s solar — at least until, per Tesla’s visions, we learn to harvest the limitless electric charges in space that power the sun and everything in our universe.

  103. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 6:01 pm #

    Brh, yup, cloud and snow are definitely a bummer. All I can say is, there’s much desert waiting to turn Green. You can be part of that project. All it takes is you willing it. 🙂

  104. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

    From today’s essay:

    The question, then, is how do you go through a swift and dramatic re-scaling of a hypertrophic, excessively complex, ecologically fragile economic system in a way that doesn’t produce a whole lot of damage?

    I can’t answer that satisfactorily except to say this: at least recognize what the macro trend is (downscaling and re-localization), and support that as much as possible. Don’t knock yourself out trying to save giant, foundering enterprises that need to go out of business.

    Indeed this is the critical issue, and it seems governments are not in the mood to re-think, reform, and re-set … they will almost inevitably go even further into debt to try and “manufacture” jobs.

    Now I am an enthusiastic Keynesian, and it is right that governments intervene and spend in the face of financial crises … doing nothing will make things far worse (and is usually political suicide too).

    However in their drive to create or preserve jobs, governments throw huge sums at big business in trouble, either because they are important employers, or “too big to fail”, or otherwise national icns.

    We have the case where Qantas will never be allowed to fail (it was healthy anyway), but Virgin Australia has had to plead for a big bailout, and received it. (Branson-haters can note that the bearded one only has a small share in it – it’s mostly Chinese and Singaporean money).

    But the bigger issue is – can Australia actually support and afford two full-service airlines? Probably not.

    Same with the car industry … successive governments have spent billions trying to keep GM, Ford, Toyota, and Mitsubishi making cars in Australia for decades … they’re now all gone.

    It would have been far cheaper to pay all the workers – real and potential – $1000 a week to sit at home.

  105. thwack April 27, 2020 at 6:06 pm #

    GreenAlba
    April 27, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

    Boy babies are naturally more likely to die neonatally than girl babies.

    **********************

    Thats because males are a more complex and sophisticated design than females, so the bar is higher for us from day one. The reason the human race sucks so bad is because wammens.

    Eighty percent wammens reproduce, but only 40% of the men. The bar is much lower for women to reproduce and therefore they are responsible for the vast majority of the morons and idiots we see today.

    A woman can be retarded, but as long as she is in reasonable shape, young enough to be fertile… some simp will marry her.

    But if you are a dude, its not enough to just be physically attractive; you still gotta BE about something?

    You gotta ALSO have some kind of skill and ability.

    This is why men are better than women; we don’t have a choice like wammens.

  106. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 6:11 pm #

    Who the heck do people think worked on the farms and in the factories during the war when the men were away fighting?

    Not just during wars. Women do huge amounts of heavy lifting in just about all countries and most cultures, plus they do in addition, housework, washing, cooking, childbirth, and child-rearing, and caring for aged parents.

    Women do it tough – almost everywhere.

  107. thwack April 27, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

    GreenAlba
    April 27, 2020 at 5:44 pm #
    “Women sit on there asses all day;”

    Who the heck do people think worked on the farms and in the factories during the war when the men were away fighting?

    Jeez.

    ****************************

    You’re making my point for me GangGreen.

    Would you rather be working in a factory, or at the Russian Front catching bullets from that AK 40 dick?

    Wammens is life on easy mode.

  108. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

    thwack,
    You obviously haven’t had your pie hole plugged by a 2 foot black rhino horn while you put on a Hollywood show panting and pretending to be in ecstasy. That’s sophistication!

  109. thwack April 27, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

    Q. Shtik
    April 27, 2020 at 5:40 pm #
    Women sit on there asses all day; – Thwack at 3:41 pm

    ===========

    The sentence above has more impact if you add the words “eating bon bons.”

    P.S. it’s ‘their’ asses.

    ***********************

    A negro grammar error is like crack cocaine to a white person.

    They just can’t resist.

    Back in the day when I used to post on racist blogs, every time they would conspire to try to ignore me, all I had to do is misspell a word, and I was back in business!

  110. SoftStarLight April 27, 2020 at 6:35 pm #

    So are you willing the desert green then akmofo? If you will hard enough maybe you can get those pesky Muslims to disappear.

  111. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

    I’d rather will them on Europe. They adore muzzies there. Muzzies can do no wrong, especially when they mass murder Joooooos.

  112. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

    Thwack

    “Wammens is life on easy mode.”

    Most men’s lives are on easy mode just now too. Anyone would think they were all down asbestos mines or in tiny fishing boats in the middle of the Atlantic (I respect the ones who are – I just don’t feel the need to look down my nose at the ones who make a living pushing together pre-fabricated plastic plumbing parts either or in an office designing bridges or shopping malls. Or even in a call centre selling insurance.

    Your jaded views are your own problem. Water off a duck’s back, I’m afraid, stupid name calling an’ all. It’s a bit desperate.

  113. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 6:48 pm #

    “The bar is much lower for women to reproduce and therefore they are responsible for the vast majority of the morons and idiots we see today.”

    You seem unfamiliar with the actual shape of the male and female bell curves. More women at the bottom have to mate with a dumbo or do without.

    Did I say water off a duck’s back? Nah, think rhinoceros hide. All acquired on here from being called names.

  114. JohnAZ April 27, 2020 at 6:50 pm #

    Cargill

    You were asking about why pubs, stores etc were not in place in small towns.

    I was really surprised when I visited Europe a few years ago to see the small businesses everywhere with most privately owned. If Australia follows their lead, I can understand your question.

    The answer is big box, mostly Walmart. Big corporate retail moved into these towns and destroyed the Main Street businesses and offered minimum wage jobs in return. It is criminal in my mind. It all happened back in the 80s. The people were the real problem, trading their retail areas for a few bucks savings in Walmart. One of Walmart’s initial PR tricks was buy America. It is now buy China.

  115. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 6:50 pm #

    Here’s a good one:

    “PUBLIC TOURS CANCELED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE: Out of an abundance of caution, we are temporarily canceling public tours until further notice to ensure the health and safety of Georgia families.”

    Yep – that’s Brian Kemp, Governor of Georgia, stopping all tours of the governor’s mansion where his family lives … but meanwhile he is directing that everybody else’s families face risks through re-opening.

    What a hypocritical Trump-sucker! (Hat-tip to The Daily Beast)

  116. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 6:55 pm #

    “Would you rather be working in a factory, or at the Russian Front catching bullets from that AK 40 dick?

    Wammens is life on easy mode.”

    It wasn’t on easy mode if they were being raped and murdered by the soldiers on the other side. Standard weapon of war throughout history.

  117. JohnAZ April 27, 2020 at 6:59 pm #

    BRH

    97 degrees here today. Not a cloud in the sky.

  118. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 7:00 pm #

    The answer is big box, mostly Walmart. Big corporate retail moved into these towns and destroyed the Main Street businesses and offered minimum wage jobs in return. It is criminal in my mind. It all happened back in the 80s. The people were the real problem, trading their retail areas for a few bucks savings in Walmart. One of Walmart’s initial PR tricks was buy America. It is now buy China.

    Thanks. I understand all that pretty well, and during our 15 months (in toto) in America, we were often shocked by the soullessness of the shopping experience – especially the strip malls. Big malls were little better, and the hard-core cities were rather grungy.

    But in JHK’s case the KMart has also closed – where do the punters shop? And a Walmart can never provide a lovely cappuccino moment in a nice cafe. All very puzzling … Australia is not like small-town Europe, we’re much younger, but it’s much closer.

    Here is my local shopping strip – it’s typical.

    https://goo.gl/maps/CduyQyBubi9dRroF7

    We have a lot of trams (streetcars) in suburban Melbourne.

  119. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 7:05 pm #

    Hillary: It’s women who suffer in War. The Men are just getting killed so no big deal. But wimmin have to deal with that!

  120. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

    “Thats because males are a more complex and sophisticated design than females”

    Says someone without the vaguest clue about reproductive biology. I’m afraid your plumbing is relatively simple, given the job it has to do is pretty basic.

  121. thwack April 27, 2020 at 7:17 pm #

    SoftStarLight
    April 27, 2020 at 6:38 pm #
    Wow Cargill! So are you ready to rumble lol? I can’t wait to see this brawl! I’m just gonna sit back and take it easy and watch.

    ****************

    The thwack is our misfortune

  122. Majella April 27, 2020 at 7:22 pm #

    NigIQwl says:

    “I see Majella remains worked up an emotional lather posting nutbar claims about the President of the United States instructing people to ingest Lysol and Chlorox.

    Not much else to do when saddled with a low IQ.

    LOL.

    Amusing! “Emotional lather”? How come you to this conclusion, given you’re very much evidence-based, Herr Selbstgefällig? Did you interview yourself in the mirror again?

    “Posting nutbar claims”..? Oh. I didn’t realise I was carrying this responsibility on my own! It’s like no-one else has said the same things? Nor do I recall using the word “instructing” anywhere in such posts.

    That his ‘base’ is so frighteningly suggestible is clearly illustrated by the myriad of warnings against ‘doing what the President’ suggested, most notably by Lysol (TM) itself.

    And, again with the low-ball ad hominem insult too. Who’s suffering the low IQ problem? Can’t you come up with something more original? What a wanker.

  123. thwack April 27, 2020 at 7:27 pm #

    GreenAlba
    April 27, 2020 at 6:55 pm #

    It wasn’t on easy mode if they were being raped and murdered by the soldiers on the other side. Standard weapon of war throughout history.

    ****************

    thanks for reminding us how wammens are notorious traitors to the nation state when it comes to war.

    With the exception of grandmothers and pre teen daughters, Wammens will gladly switch sides and give themselves over to the victorious men of the other tribe.

    Men fight to the death because they know if they lose their throats will be slit.

    Wammens?

    not so much.

  124. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 7:30 pm #

    Cargill some towns in NY State are in bad shape (as Jim describes) Many towns in northern New England are suffering too. One thing I disagree with JHK on is he more or less blames the destruction of our main streets and small towns on cities on suburban development and interstate highways. But many of the towns and cities in question — Lowell, Mass, Utica, NY, Lewiston, Maine to name just a few — went into decline over 100 or so years ago, predating modern suburbia and the interstate highway system. What caused it I don’t know, but Harvard historian Bernard Baryn suggest simply time passed us by, history moved on, and this corner of the world became a backwater.

    As far as shopping goes, in the northeast anyway, there’s always a Walmart or a target store not too far away you can drive too.

    Brh

  125. cbeard April 27, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

    Cargill criticizes Ga. governor Kemp for shutting down the tours of the governors mansion. He did so because the tours are conducted by elderly retirees who are at greater risk of catching the virus. I won’t wast anymore time, efforts or comments on anything Cargill spouts.

  126. Majella April 27, 2020 at 7:42 pm #

    Evidence-based:

    “Maryland emergency officials are warning state residents not to inject or ingest disinfectant after more than 100 people called the state’s emergency hotline regarding questions about disinfectant use and COVID-19.

    ‘We have received several calls regarding questions about disinfectant use and Covid-19,’ Maryland Emergency Management Agency (MDMEMA) tweeted. ‘This is a reminder that under no circumstances should any disinfectant product be administered into the body through injection, ingestion or any other route.’ ”

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/494548-maryland-emergency-hotline-receives-more-than

  127. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

    Brh,

    The reason for the abandonment is the housing stock. I traveled a lot everywhere in US, and I made a point not to take the highways and to take the “scenic” routes. What struck me is the un-urbanness and low-rise flatness of it all. You’d be hard pressed to find buildings more than 3 stories high. That kind of low density low-rise housing screams of a provincial backwater shit hole, and that’s 90% of the US. To me, it’s VERY aesthetically and psychologically repulsive. I don’t care how small the town is, it should look urban and like a city. Nothing should exist that’s less than 5 stories high. Too many places in North America (Canada is much the same) just scream of this low density low-rise loneliness and isolation. 20,000 people is a city! It should look like a city and not like a shit fest of farm house look-a-likes lining the town’s streets.

  128. beantownbill. April 27, 2020 at 8:08 pm #

    @ Cargill and Majella:

    Your Google pictures made me feel nostalgic. My hometown outside of Boston once looked like that, except it was full of people on the sidewalks even during the day. Along our main streets we had 2 smoke shops, 2 bowling alleys, 4 theaters, a furniture store, a candy store, several small department stores and more. Downtown was fun!

    Today, downtown is all high-rise apartment buildings and no small stores.

  129. GreenAlba April 27, 2020 at 8:17 pm #

    Thwack

    “With the exception of grandmothers and pre teen daughters, Wammens will gladly switch sides and give themselves over to the victorious men of the other tribe.”

    Being raped and then skewered with a bayonet that’s just skewered your babies isn’t ‘switching sides’, it’s being raped and murdered.

    All you’re doing is making me feel sorry for you, which I’m sure isn’t what you want.

    And I know you don’t say ‘wammans’ normally cuz I read the chapter too. You’re way more middle class (British sense) than me in your upbringing, so to me it’s coming over as affectation. Just like pretending that because some men fight in wars they all do. Most men have never had to fight their way out of a paper bag. But the men who have had to, and who did so bravely, get respect, like the ones who spend their working lives in the bowels of the earth. It doesn’t spill over onto all the other ones though, just for having dangly bits.

    And BTW, the men that I come into contact with don’t choose to spend their life with someone who’s nothing more than a walking uterus. They choose someone who’s ‘about something’ too. I know what you mean about men’s need to ‘be about something’. I just feel a bit sorry for you that for you it entails women being worthless. That suggests a need to big yourself up by denigrating someone else, which shouldn’t be necessary for someone like you.

    And that wasn’t the way my father saw my mother, even though he was born way back in 1910. They were inseparable and he respected her to the end of his days as she did him. Strikes me he was happier for that than you are with your jaded views.

  130. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

    Your Google pictures made me feel nostalgic. My hometown outside of Boston once looked like that, except it was full of people on the sidewalks even during the day. Along our main streets we had 2 smoke shops, 2 bowling alleys, 4 theaters, a furniture store, a candy store, several small department stores and more. Downtown was fun!

    I should advise that I live in a fairly old and venerable area of the city – not downtown but close – and they were laid out well before the car was dominant – the shopping strip I linked to dates from about 1880 and on. Streetcars and buses still play a big part, along with cars.

    So as JHK evokes: “Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone” … so we don’t have to be nostalgic in this neck of the woods … there has been no cleaning out; things have evolved slowly, and very nicely.

    But get out in the real burbs and more modern towns, and there is much more of a driving culture, much more like the US.

    Here is a case, about 20 miles away from me: https://goo.gl/maps/TZMyfwNQmLvspw299

    I read somewhere that New England started to decline as soon as the Midwest was opened up by rail and canals. The farming was so much better than in the rural northeast.

  131. PeteAtomic April 27, 2020 at 8:30 pm #

    I love posters like Thwack.

    Every blog needs a few Jokers..

    ..and in the immortal words of J.R. “Bob” Dobbs..

    “Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke..”

  132. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 8:35 pm #

    The reason for the abandonment is the housing stock. I traveled a lot everywhere in US, and I made a point not to take the highways and to take the “scenic” routes. What struck me is the un-urbanness and low-rise flatness of it all. You’d be hard pressed to find buildings more than 3 stories high. That kind of low density low-rise housing screams of a provincial backwater shit hole, and that’s 90% of the US. To me, it’s VERY aesthetically and psychologically repulsive. I don’t care how small the town is, it should look urban and like a city. Nothing should exist that’s less than 5 stories high. Too many places in North America (Canada is much the same) just scream of this low density low-rise loneliness and isolation. 20,000 people is a city! It should look like a city and not like a shit fest of farm house look-a-likes lining the town’s streets.

    I tend to agree with the sentiment, if not the strident nature of the analysis. And I certainly don’t think every building should be five stories either … there should be a mix. But in a lot of places, if you try to build more than two stories, then the local residents (and often the local council) will prevent it – NIMBYISM is a big factor in keeping suburbs the way they are.

    And anyway – for many decades people struggled hard to get out of dumpy, dank, dangerous apartment blocks and out somewhere where they had a yard for kids, so safe that you never locked the doors, parks, good neighbours and much else.

    Unfortunately – as you state – in so many ways the rush to low density has lead to spiritual and economic death – as JHK has talked about well many times. And the dependence on the car is always awful, IMO.

    I grew up in a bland working class suburb, but escaped at 18 and never lived in one like it since.

    But a lot of suburbs people like to live in:https://goo.gl/maps/dg9SCogy49pVvjTv9

  133. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

    Here’s a new neighborhood being built in the middle of nowhere:

    https://www.google.co.il/maps/@32.2758918,34.8392421,3a,75y,24.32h,94.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8k7VoODMY7gHYJiy8r98Uw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    You can see that from day one the high rise building are slowing being built to occupy the square space allocated to them. Even in the middle of nowhere, what you achieve is density. This density allows you to then build parks schools libraries hospitals shopping centers theaters and even subway stops, etc, all within walking distances. But first you have to have the density, even when starting from nothing.

  134. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

    Akmo wants high rises everywhere. Behold Homo Urbanus! The Elite also want us all in cities, so Nature can be theirs exclusively. Coincidence?

  135. PeteAtomic April 27, 2020 at 8:45 pm #

    I like a lot of the comments about suburbia and the changing face/role of suburbs.

    What’s a more realistic end or evolution to the suburb? The reformat of the suburb from a sprawl to an actual smaller town, with the strip malls turning into a type of new downtown? Or what about a type of mixed area (mixed urban/rural) farm?

    I don’t know. I see a lot of opportunity with reforming the suburb into something new.

  136. PeteAtomic April 27, 2020 at 8:47 pm #

    wow Janos. Good point there. The elite wanna have a monopoly on nature.

    That’s the most insightful thing you’ve ever written on the blog I think.

  137. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

    Democrats tried to get women and minority owned businesses funded first in the ongoing relief effort. No doubt they will keep trying.

  138. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

    Thwack is my brother. He alone understand why women didn’t row back to help the men in the water as the Titanic was going down. Why would they?

    So what if he operates on CPT or Colored People’s Time and hates Whites? That’s his perrogative. The greatest living Black American, the Honorable Louis Farrakahn, hates Whites too.

  139. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 9:03 pm #

    You can see that from day one the high rise building are slowing being built to occupy the square space allocated to them. Even in the middle of nowhere, what you achieve is density. This density allows you to then build parks schools libraries hospitals shopping centers theaters and even subway stops, etc, all within walking distances. But first you have to have the density, even when starting from nothing.

    That streetview is hardly in the middle of “nowhere” – it’s close to the Mediterranean Sea, and I assume the area is destined to become desirable. It all depends on the economics – can the developers entice buyers for such apartments, in preference to low-density living in detached houses?

    But the overall point is good – achieve higher densities and you get parks, shops, libraries, medical services, entertainment, work, etc. It’s the reason our second home is on the Gold Coast, where high density – done well – has made it a great place, and we don’t need a car.

    Here: https://goo.gl/maps/bWdzXiMXvSJV86tP8

    But lots of Australians – and I guess Americans – still prefer a suburban house and lots of space around them (and grass to mow).

  140. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 9:05 pm #

    Akmo wants high rises everywhere.
    ==

    Actually, I hate high rises. I think they perverse. I’m advocating for a human scale: mid-rises with a good density for easy walking distances, and as much real green space as possible:

    https://www.google.co.il/maps/@32.7680075,35.0123529,3a,75y,8h,91.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suGAnDtGNKRzsECJ9smsGmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

  141. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

    Actually, I hate high rises. I think they perverse. I’m advocating for a human scale: mid-rises with a good density for easy walking distances, and as much real green space as possible:

    Agree – medium density and mid-rise, with perhaps a few high-rise, and lots of green space.

    Our second joint is on the fifth floor (as high as we wanted), in a ten-storey building (ditto).

  142. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 9:16 pm #

    American Renaissance

    In South Africa’s KwaZulu Province, teenagers with AIDS are deliberately spreading the disease so they will not be the only ones to suffer and die. Some have started raping women so as to spread the disease more quickly. Women describe being raped by laughing teenagers who tell them to relax and not to cry because “everyone has AIDS now.” As one rapist explained to researchers, “You know you’ll be rejected, you know you’re going to die. All you can do is go off and spread [AIDS]. It’s your only hope, knowing you won’t die alone.”

    One doctor working in rural areas told researchers she no longer tells patients if they are HIV positive unless they ask — and they never do. “They just go out and spread it anyway,” she explains. “Even if they say they’re not, they’re lying. It’s how they cope. I don’t tell them anymore.” Many medical personnel do not even test for HIV for fear that positive results will be taken as a death sentence and a license to rape.

    Suzanne Leclerc-Madlala, a lecturer at University of Durban-Westville who has been studying AIDS in the province, called the behavior “quite opposite to what AIDS educators would hope for.” (Sapa-AFP, Doomed South African Teenagers on Mission to Spread AIDS: Report, Aug. 24, 1997.)

    JS: Negro Psychology at its most basic. Perhaps Thwack can explain it. Nothing can excuse it. What can he say except they are savages? Do Blacks here have enough White blood to mitigate this outlook? I doubt it.

  143. Majella April 27, 2020 at 9:16 pm #

    Hey Cargill

    It’s been a couple of decades since I visited Broad Beach. Those high-risers look pretty flashy & new. Are the still predominantly holiday rentals?

  144. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 9:22 pm #

    Israel is so small, maybe this is a good idea for them. Can’t say I find it that attractive, but the land is very barren from my point of view in any case. They can’t have single family homes all over the place like we like to do, as did the Ancient Germans. Semites like to crowd together perhaps.

    This looks like Southern California.

  145. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 9:23 pm #

    Akmo wants high rises everywhere. Behold Homo Urbanus! The Elite also want us all in cities, so Nature can be theirs exclusively. Coincidence?

    Magna Carta (signed at Runnymede in 1215), is one of the foundation documents outlining a ‘bill of rights’, governance, and limiting the absolute power of monarchs. It is very much concerned with who had what access to natural resources – land generally, forests, game animals, water, and much else.

    But mostly it was a document about setting out the rights of people – so that there were laws in place, rather than just the indulgent whims of an absolute leader. Important document.

    But even still, for centuries the British aristocracy had exclusive use of “nature” – only they could hunt and fish, and the peasantry could not. Still the case in some areas.

    Magna Carta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

  146. Rain Waters April 27, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

    So were just gonna hafta get used to this stupid comments section quarantine too ?

    BULLSHIT ON IT ALL

    RAIN WATERS

  147. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 9:30 pm #

    looks like Southern California
    ==

    Yup. This is other side of the street practically:

    https://www.google.co.il/maps/@32.7672951,35.0070953,3a,75y,331.09h,92.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sL_VlaJDKr_yqHA63qe_WIQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    And we do like a crowd. I can’t understand how people lock themselves for miles from civilization. It’s like prison.

  148. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 9:40 pm #

    It’s been a couple of decades since I visited Broad Beach. Those high-risers look pretty flashy & new. Are the still predominantly holiday rentals?

    Mostly holiday rentals, but all individually owned, and a mix of holiday, permanent residents, and tenants. Our complex is split in two: half rentals, and on our side, all permanents – which was another feature we liked.

    The whole place has boomed for 30-40 years … when we first went there around 1974, the old Broadbeach Hotel was three storeys high, and the tallest thing around. Now the average is probably around 25 storeys, but some go to 80+. Too high for me. Still lots of green space, waterways, etc.

  149. capt spaulding April 27, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

    Majella, Maybe we should explain to Trump that the technical term for injecting disinfectant into your body is called embalming.

  150. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 9:44 pm #

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/duck-dynasty-sadie-robertson-shooting-family-compound-shook-us-all-up-154253089.html

    The guy has been caught, one Daniel Dean King Jr. Sleepy eyed bastard. Not of high pedigree, and possibly not European at all.

  151. Majella April 27, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

    capt;

    Majella, Maybe we should explain to Trump that the technical term for injecting disinfectant into your body is called embalming.@

    Hahaha! I read that on a youtube comment page as well – you sure get around capt, though you’ve been excruciatingly quiet on here lately. I miss your desert-dry wit!

  152. Majella April 27, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

    Skorenzy

    “The guy has been caught, one Daniel Dean King Jr. Sleepy eyed bastard. Not of high pedigree, and possibly not European at all.”

    Really? ‘Not high pedigree’ – do you do phrenology as well?

    ‘Possibly not European at all”

    Wishful thinking, Skorenzy. Himself could get away with such an outrageous denial of the obvious but you don’t his hutzpah.

  153. BackRowHeckler April 27, 2020 at 10:09 pm #

    #where’s Joe Biden?

    Times getting short.

    “Roll on Nov 3” – Cargill

    Brh

  154. Majella April 27, 2020 at 10:12 pm #

    brh:
    “#where’s Joe Biden?”

    If the DNC has any sense, they’ll have injected him with disinfectant.

  155. akmofo April 27, 2020 at 10:15 pm #

    Q1 Tower (an abbreviation of Queensland Number One[3]) is a 322.5-metre (1,058 ft) skyscraper in Surfers Paradise, Queensland, Australia. The residential tower on the Gold Coast was the world’s tallest residential building from 2005 to 2011. As of 2020 it is the ninth-tallest residential tower in the world and is the tallest building in Australia and the Southern Hemisphere,[4]
    ==

    Damn Japaneza!

  156. CancelMyCard April 27, 2020 at 10:20 pm #

    I tartle when she walks into the room..

  157. Rod Cloutier April 27, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

    It’s really nice to see someone type out ‘JC Penny’.

    JC Penny it what it was in the old reality until the Mandela effect raised its ugly head and altered its spelling to JC Penney

    Still can’t get used to it. https://youtu.be/iHmRmuyUgvU?t=600

  158. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2020 at 10:36 pm #

    Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination
    By Robert F. Kennedy Jr

    Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

    Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

    Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

    The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines.
    .

    In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.

    In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

    South African newspapers complained, ‘We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.’
    .

    In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,949 children.

    During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”

    In 2010, Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO saying, “We must make this the decade of vaccines.” A month later, Gates said in a Ted Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population”. In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade. Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines.

    A 2017 study (Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.

    [Global public health officials] say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.
    .

    Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation only spends about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas. They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

    In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds a private pharmaceutical company that manufactures vaccines, and additionally is donating $50 million to 12 pharmaceutical companies to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his recent media appearances, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on American children.

    JS: Only Trump can stop this. But will he? His cohort are very invested in all of this and they come first. We come much later behind them and others – if at all.

    They may not force us per se, the alternative will simply not being able to enter any public buildings to work or buy food. Entering a public building without an enabled chip will set off an alarm and you will be escorted out. Or later, when cash and credit cards are defunct, you will be “unscannable”. A monster to be feared and loathed as in the movie Idiocracy.

  159. thwack April 27, 2020 at 10:49 pm #

    Janos Skorenzy
    April 27, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

    So what if he operates on CPT or Colored People’s Time and hates Whites? That’s his perrogative.

    *********************

    Janos,

    please stop putting words in my mouth; I don’t hate white people. Race is a rather low resolution descriptor that does not reveal what a person really is?

    If Im looking for people to hire for my company; telling me a person is “white” is insufficient data with which to make a hiring decision.

    I would much rather know things like, can they play a musical instrument?

    Can they QB a no huddle offense?

    The idea that you can count on someone JUST because they are white is ridiculous.

    Wammens, for all their faults, are pretty good judges of men; thats why they always choose men better than themselves; if they can?

    BTW,

    in JHKs new book, I trolled “Rob” circa 2005? when he attempted to disrupt our counter racism website. He had a Russian mail order bride and I impressed him with my Russian (my Ukrainian girlfriend did the heavy lifting) so much so that we became pretty good friends.

    I didn’t hate him at all.

    And he didn’t hate me; although I gotta suspect he was annoyed by my perfect Russian.

    lol

    I was looking forward to meeting “Rob” at the summer JHK camp out this year; but it looks like the Chinese Flugaboogaloo has snuffed it out?

    Yeah man, Jim came down here and saw all my ugliness in sharp relief.

    He really “puts in the work”

    And it is hard work. I was just babbling away, and he was able to make a coherent story of it.

    He sent me photos of his cat “Scooter” living the dream…

    I try to make sure my cat lives a similar charmed life.

  160. Cargill April 27, 2020 at 10:59 pm #

    Q1 Tower (an abbreviation of Queensland Number One[3]) is a 322.5-metre (1,058 ft) skyscraper in Surfers Paradise, Queensland, Australia. The residential tower on the Gold Coast was the world’s tallest residential building from 2005 to 2011. As of 2020 it is the ninth-tallest residential tower in the world and is the tallest building in Australia and the Southern Hemisphere

    Yes it is pretty big, and not unimpressive – but it tends to stick out a bit.

    Image: http://www.rolux.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/q1-building-gold-coast.jpg

    I remember when 25 floors looked big, and 35 floors was a monster … they aren’t the tallest any more by a long shot, but the place hasn’t been wrecked at all by the super-highrise.

  161. CancelMyCard April 27, 2020 at 11:11 pm #

    ” the summer JHK camp out this year;”

    Well, that sounds interesting . . . is this an annual event?

    Where do you hold this esteemed gathering?

    Care to elaborate?

  162. Uncle Bob April 27, 2020 at 11:43 pm #

    Cargill, Upstate New York is a beautiful area, full of rolling farmland, forests, lakes, rivers, and wildlife. It’s home to the Finger Lakes, Niagara Falls, the Adirondacks, and other famous sites. My hometown is the place where, among other things, two New York State prisons house felons within a few miles of where Ernie Davis, Samuel Langhorne Clemens and Hal Roach are buried. In this city and its immediate surroundings once existed both Ward LaFrance and American LaFrance, large makers of firefighting equipment; a General Electric foundry; Schweizer Aircraft; Remington Rand; and a Willys-Overland Jeep plant. There were.several theaters, as well as the college Howard Stern supposedly thought of attending, Elmira College. Finally, the largest food manufacturing plant under one roof stood in Horseheads, about 10 miles.from.where I grew up. Everything I listed but the college and the prisons is gone, replaced with a dying mall, several strip malls and big box stores, and scads of vacant lots. Where a vibrant downtown once stood are yet more parking lots, along with new housing for college students. Urban renewal has been reduced to — I am not making this up — planting concrete islands in the middle of seemingly every damn intersection in town, calling these navigation hazards “roundabouts”, and local politicians bragging about the sagacity of their actions. The city was lately killed by the flood of 1972 caused by Hurricane Agnes. Or maybe it was killed when local interests killed plans by both Ford and General Motors to build auto plants there, one on either end of town. Or maybe it died when the state started taxing the developing fuck out of its citizens, or when we as a country decided it was better to import durable goods than to make them here at home in order to save money. Regardless, this same.pattern can be seen across the state, whether in Rochester, Buffalo, Binghamton, Utica, or a hundred little towns you’ve never heard of. None of it matters, though, because the Masters of the Universe in Westchester, Lon Gisland, and especially New York City demand fealty from all, and because we have single-party rule dictated to us by Prince Andrew Cuomo, Governor-For-Life (unless he steals the nomination away from Biden). As with much of what JHK says, what has happened here has happened across this country. We don’t exactly how we got here, and we haven’t a clue how to fix the problems either, except to drink, smoke or inject our way into temporary chemical-induced Nirvana. Sad, isn’t it?

  163. wpa_ccc April 27, 2020 at 11:52 pm #

    For instance: work itself. A lot of it has gone missing.

    But medical professionals and first responders are being overworked. We are now months into this global health pandemic and doctors and nurses are still running dangerously low on medical supplies like masks, face shields, and gowns.

    While doctors and nurses are being asked to reuse the same mask patient after patient, Trump is dismissing these shortages as “fake news,” effectively calling healthcare workers liars.

    Frontline healthcare workers are risking their lives every day to care for sick COVID-19 patients and they don’t have enough personal protective equipment to stay safe. More than 10,000 frontline healthcare workers have tested positive for COVID-19, while state governments and hospitals scramble to find enough PPE.

    Trump has failed our country every step of the way during this pandemic and now, he is calling frontline healthcare workers who are saving lives liars and “fake news.” This will all soon change.

    Biden is leading Trump in all the key swing states, so Trump has no chance of being re-elected. The Senate will go to the Democrats in the 2020 Blue Wave.

  164. Majella April 28, 2020 at 12:04 am #

    How did the US get here?

    It’s worth taking a look at where it was before industrial pollution reforms of teh 1970s, the cost of which was certainly one of the factors in driving manufacturing offshore, to places where Americans didn’t have to see it or live with the noxious effects. Americans, mostly, had no idea where they were sending their shit.

    Here’s a visula retrospective from the EPA. When it was established in 1970, a collection of images was curated to show some of the common-place trashing of the US environment prior to the reforms.

    The Clean Air Act & the Clean Water Act have had such an ameliorating effect, it’s hard to recognize these places today.

    Still, under Himself & Pruitt at the EPA, things are going backwards at a rate of knots. It may be some time until the creeping downside effects are noticed again, but this the modern GOP’s idea of ‘freedom’ – freedom for capital to pollute again and dump the externalities cost back on the vulnerable citizenry and hapless taxpayers.

    It may be nostalgic to see abandoned mills & factories in quaint up-state NY being reclaimed by nature, but they were probably hell-holes of industry in their day. Many have left a continuing legacy of ground toxicity and waste, invisible to the naked eye.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-us-cities-looked-like-before-epa-regulated-pollution-2019-8?r=US&IR=T#barges-filled-with-new-yorks-waste-are-pulled-down-the-east-river-to-staten-island-landfill-in-the-1970s-new-york-produced-26000-tons-of-solid-waste-every-day-22

  165. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 12:36 am #

    https://www.amren.com/news/2020/04/nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-appoints-his-wife-as-head-of-coronavirus-racial-inequality-task-force/

    Corruption, Nepotism, Greed, and above all, just utter tastelessness as per “Corona Virus Racial Inequality Task Force”. It’s simply madness.

  166. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 12:39 am #

    Thwack: Racism is the natural order. Who is more racist than Blacks? By what moral right did you institute such a counter natural law site? Or was it just a way to make money and stick it to the “man”. That would make sense.

  167. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 12:47 am #

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8260301/Private-contact-tracing-apps-help-ease-coronavirus-lockdown.html

    But not everybody has a phone that can handle this! Oh no! Well they have hands, right? So if they want to work or buy or do much of anything, they can wear a wristband to do the same thing. Until the chips are ready and the people are beaten down just a little bit more….

  168. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 1:27 am #

    Yes, and just think about the technology that they have now that they’re not telling us about. They can pretty much track and trace everyone now. So these apps could very well be a ruse for a far bigger move. Many people will totally accept it in gradual and continual doses. They will say that this is key to resolving problems and bringing peace and unity. They always say “together” now. Lol we know for sure they don’t mean it.

  169. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 1:49 am #

    As with much of what JHK says, what has happened here has happened across this country. We don’t exactly how we got here, and we haven’t a clue how to fix the problems either, except to drink, smoke or inject our way into temporary chemical-induced Nirvana. Sad, isn’t it?

    Indeed it is sad. I have driven a couple times right through eastern NY State, Saratoga Springs, then via Burlington to Montreal, and through New England, including Bar Harbor, Campobello, Cape Cod, and so on.

    Indeed much of it very beautiful – we’ve been both late spring and in foliage season, and there clearly are pockets and individual properties reflecting great wealth. But as I have mentioned previously, for so much of it – perhaps other than the tourist hot-spots, the best years look to be behind it, rather than in front of it.

    I shan’t compare it to Australia, not only because we don’t quite have the same population distribution, but also since there are so many good things going on here, that I would perhaps make you sadder still.

    Sure, we have towns hit hard by perennial drought or regular floods, but these are almost always just agricultural … we’re not talking about the loss of a GM plant, or a manufacturing base. And we have bushfires (wildfires), but they also impact mostly bushland and forests.

    And don’t get me started on the wilful stupidity of far too many who built their properties in a tinderbox, and then die trying to defend them.

    I also don’t know how you got where you are – JHK has talked about a wide range of factors over the years – the financial outrages of Wall Street that you mention, the movement of capital (and therefore local jobs) to low-cost countries, the long sleepy decades of happy motoring, and of course hyper-commercialised consumerism.

    I wish I could take you through some of our regional cities – those between say 25,000 and 100,000 … and awful lot of them are great places to visit, and I expect, great to live in.

    We are a lucky country. America has hit some sort of wall in a way that’s difficult to comprehend. Mind you, the best bits are very very good … I just wish more of you could give up addiction to the motor vehicle.

  170. KL Cooke April 28, 2020 at 1:49 am #

    Cargill

    “Here is my local shopping strip – it’s typical.”

    That’s really nice. I can remember when small town USA looked like that, back in the 50s-60s.

    We’re a shadow of what we used to be. I can foresee a time in the not too distant future when there no longer is a USA per se.

  171. elysianfield April 28, 2020 at 2:37 am #

    Ladies and germs;

    Consider a compass. 360 degrees.

    There are as many opinions on the Covid-19 issue as there are degrees on a compass. Every pro and con argument can be found with a quick internet search. Every nuance. Every scholarly report, every half-assed opinion.

    Here is what we currently know about the virus;

    Not a God-Damned thing. We all have opinions, and we all can find argument on the internets that support and affirm those opinions. But opinions are not facts. The virus is called a novel virus for a reason, and the past 5 months of intense research is not gonna give us facts that we can make considered, correct decisions upon.

    In one month, maybe two, your opinions will be unrecognizable compared to those you hold today. I have come to the position that I have no opinion that I would consider reality based, and while I consider daily the veritable shit-storm of conflicting reports of all issues virus, I will view the issue with attention, but will withhold any thought of absolutes.

    Their just aren’t any.

  172. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 2:44 am #

    Nearer to Downtown Melbourne (1-2 miles out) we get a lot of long retail streets that look like this:

    https://goo.gl/maps/WmiqK5aoWj1fXRog7

    To be fair, Melbourne is voted every year either 1,2, or 3 as “the most liveable city in the world” – I think the widespread preservation of buildings from its golden age, plus the diversity of shopping, are two big reasons why it’s such a good place.

    Right in town, it’s more like this – still lots of small-scale shopping in the ground floor of almost every building:

    https://goo.gl/maps/z8ujtT6ZAuKPWtqM9

  173. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 3:08 am #

    Here is what we currently know about the virus;

    Not a God-Damned thing. We all have opinions

    There are a lot of known unknowns, and very probably unknown unknowns, to be investigated and solved, but I think you do the biomedical science community – there is a century of hard graft in there, and some of the best bio-medical minds in the world are on the case.

    We don’t know everything, but we know a huge amount compared to 1 January. Vaccine trial are happening as we speak, treatments are evolving and improving every day as well.

  174. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 3:33 am #

    Edit: ” but I think you do the biomedical science community a disservice …”

  175. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 3:42 am #

    Here’s some racial stuff, some comments:

    ‘If she went back to a white guy it would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.’

    ‘I guess you can never go back’

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/olympic-skier-lindsey-vonn-nhl-203853966.html

    Ain’t America great? Black pucks, black bucks, what the fuck, right?

  176. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 3:47 am #

    “It’s like no-one else has said the same things?”

    ——————————————————————

    Your defense for your nutbar claim that the Pres. suggested people ingest household cleaners is this?

    Have you figured out why this is fun for me yet?

    LOL.

  177. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 3:54 am #

    “There were.several theaters, as well as the college Howard Stern supposedly thought of attending, Elmira College. Finally, the largest food manufacturing plant under one roof stood in Horseheads, about 10 miles.from.where I grew up. Everything I listed but the college and the prisons is gone, replaced with a dying mall, several strip malls and big box stores, and scads of vacant lots. Where a vibrant downtown once stood are yet more parking lots, along with new housing for college students. Urban renewal has been reduced to — I am not making this up — planting concrete islands in the middle of seemingly every damn intersection in town, calling these navigation hazards “roundabouts”, and local politicians bragging about the sagacity of their actions.”

    ———————————————————————————–

    Yep. I am from Rome originally. The city’s downfall started with Revereware packing up shop for that sweet cheap unreglated slave labor.

    American workers were too expensive. This is your country on globalism.

  178. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 4:36 am #

    I understand that there are asymptomatic Covid carriers that can spread the virus. Without a vaccine, can these carriers continue to spread the virus indefinitely, or will the virus weaken and eventually become inert in the host after a short period of time? Anybody know? Bad news if it stays strong for long, and not enough testing.

  179. Majella April 28, 2020 at 4:44 am #

    Cargill

    “Right in town, it’s more like this – still lots of small-scale shopping in the ground floor of almost every building”

    Yes – & back streets and laneways hosting many little family-owned cafes (proper Italian coffee shops with demi-tasse espresso and stand-up prices v. sitting down prices), pizza joints & Greek restaurants. I’ve only had the pleasure once – a full ten days in August 1997, and the weather was unseasonably lovely. I adore the place.

  180. Majella April 28, 2020 at 4:53 am #

    NigIQwl

    *zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*

  181. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 5:04 am #

    “zzzzzzzzzz”

    ——————————-

    “Twuump told people to dwink houwsehold cleaner!!!!”

    LOL.

  182. Majella April 28, 2020 at 5:09 am #

    You’re a fucking child.

  183. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 5:13 am #

    Don’t forget pond cleaner. That was good, too.

    The Orange Man wants to trick everyone!

  184. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 5:25 am #

    So tucsonspur and the execrable <b?Nightowl are totally and utterly incoherent. There must be a reason they reply in the middle of the night – and I expect it’s to do with a lot of help from ‘mother’s little helper’ – ice and meth.

    There is no other plausible explanation. LOL

  185. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 5:35 am #

    Yes – & back streets and laneways hosting many little family-owned cafes (proper Italian coffee shops with demi-tasse espresso and stand-up prices v. sitting down prices), pizza joints & Greek restaurants. I’ve only had the pleasure once – a full ten days in August 1997, and the weather was unseasonably lovely. I adore the place.

    Thanks Majella – yes there are few western cities that are as complex, friendly and interesting like Melbourne … it really is special. There are some exciting and interesting things in NYC, DC, and Chicago – but outside that there isn’t a single US city that is really worth visiting, let alone living in. Sad.

  186. Majella April 28, 2020 at 6:40 am #

    Cargill – TC’s okay in my view.

  187. Majella April 28, 2020 at 6:48 am #

    ‘If you cheat at golf, you’ll cheat at business” – Industry Week

    https://youtu.be/to_zc5x0WgM

    https://youtu.be/to_zc5x0WgM

  188. Majella April 28, 2020 at 6:49 am #

    https://youtu.be/INxGbTHybvc

  189. BackRowHeckler April 28, 2020 at 6:55 am #

    Australia and New Zealand sound like paradise … so why the inordinate interest in the United States?

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    Local TV weatherman announced this morning that April 2020 is the coldest in 100 years. I’ve been waiting for a nice day with at least a temp of 70°F and some sun to drive to the coast and check out sea any level rise since late last summer, my last visit, the sea level rise Jane Fonda talks about every ‘Fire Drill Friday’ and I read about every single day in the Guardian of London. But who would want to go down there when its 34°F and sleeting? Plus the seafood restaurants are closed (some never to reopen, I suspect) Looks like my Big Summer on Block Island ain’t gonna happen after all. I will eventually make it to the coast if the coast is still there, which according to Jane Fonda and the Guardian, is doubtful. I will give you an honest and accurate report on what I find, CFNers.

    Brh

  190. Majella April 28, 2020 at 6:56 am #

    And again

    https://youtu.be/AH8CFPXCz90

  191. BackRowHeckler April 28, 2020 at 7:11 am #

    Nightowl, if you’re looking in, I meant to ask you …

    You mentioned your son, I was wondering if you were able to get him dual citizenship? We were able to get some of the youngsters in this family dual American/Spanish or American/French citizenship, which so far the benefits seem to be they can travel back and forth without a passport, and they can work here legally. People don’t seem to realize how high the level of unemployment is in Spain and France for young people. I don’t know how it is in Germany. One of them was also able to attend State U here paying instate rates, which is a pretty good deal.

    Brh

  192. Majella April 28, 2020 at 7:39 am #

    BRH:

    ‘ Australia and New Zealand sound like paradise … so why the inordinate interest in the United States?’

    Asked and answered many, many times, the last time quite recently.

    But once more for you – if you’re in a china shop, best to keep an eye on the bull.

  193. edpell April 28, 2020 at 8:29 am #

    James since we are into Stones lyrics from Gimme Shelter

    War, children, it’s just a shot away
    It’s just a shot away
    War, children, it’s just a shot away
    It’s just a shot away

    Rape, murder!
    It’s just a shot away
    It’s just a shot away

  194. PeteAtomic April 28, 2020 at 8:31 am #

    Cargill sez:

    “There are some exciting and interesting things in NYC, DC, and Chicago – but outside that there isn’t a single US city that is really worth visiting, let alone living in. Sad.”

    ? totally ignorant..

    That’s like saying there are some exciting and interesting things in London & Edinburgh, but outside that there isn’t a single UK city that is really worth visiting..

  195. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    Yes PeteAtomic it does sound pretty ignorant doesn’t it. To me it also sounds like a regular ole homegrown hater. Those are the ones who love to pretend they are something else too. That is pretty sad if you ask me. And in the end, Australia and New Zealand will be taken over by China and disassembled in the long run lol. Good luck mate haha!

  196. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 9:55 am #

    Uncle Bob

    “I am not making this up — planting concrete islands in the middle of seemingly every damn intersection in town, calling these navigation hazards “roundabouts”, and local politicians bragging about the sagacity of their actions. ”

    Roundabouts need a little creativity!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4583834/britains-best-roundabouts-crowned-did-your-town-make-the-winners-circle/

  197. PeteAtomic April 28, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    “Roundabouts need a little creativity!”

    wow.. those are really cool!

    I like the Battle of Hastings one.. and the one with the old farm machinery.. pretty neat

  198. PeteAtomic April 28, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/4348067-round-and-round-bemidjis-first-road-roundabout-and-running

    there is one of the roundabouts in the town I grew up in..
    and in dire need of some creativity..

  199. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 10:24 am #

    Yes I liked that one, PeteA. Most people think the Battle of Hastings was fought at Hastings, but it was actually fought at Battle. 🙂

  200. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 10:26 am #

    Haha, PeteA, there’s scope for some TLC there, though, and at least the topsoil has arrived!

  201. Pucker April 28, 2020 at 10:43 am #

    When I was in Junior High School, one afternoon I flushed about 100 partially-inflation, grape fruit-sized, multi-colored rubber party balloons down one of the industrial toilets in my high school. It was a bit of work, and it took me at least 90 minutes of repeated inflating, tying, and flushing of the balloons. At first, no result. But about a week later the balloons eventually stuffed up the bowels of the school plumbing and caused a huge problem for the black janitor with a bad leg named “Roosevelt” who was affectionately called “Rosie”.

    Do you remember the time that Captain Kirk ordered the Mexican crew member to clean out the foul-smelling outhouse on Orion 12 and the Mexican got sick at the smell of the left over Klingon turds, so Spock just fired his Phaser into the crapper? In the TV series, the solution to everything was raw force.

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2020/04/21/covid-19-and-oil-at-1-is-there-a-way-forward/

  202. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 10:47 am #

    So what do you make of Tyson’s announcement that the food supply chain is breaking? Due to circumstances or planned? Seems like this is exactly what many like Extinction Rebellion would want. And so many of those people wear nice clothes and hold six figure big wig corporate positions.

  203. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 10:48 am #

    ” and caused a huge problem for the black janitor with a bad leg named “Roosevelt””

    What was his other leg called?

  204. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    Lot of talk about the Northeast decline. Yes, it started about 100 years ago. No highways, megapolises. Due to the difficulty of transporting goods, locales developed their own manufacturing capability. Also, the availability of cheap, small hydroelectric power. Regional grid development eliminated the need for that. Fall River, Mass is an excellent example. Drive the river today and all the old woolen factories are closed, a long time ago, because the economies by scale boys came in when the automobile and trucking arose and said, it is cheaper in the South. Closed all of them. Moved to Norma Rae country. Then with the rise of the move West, China and Asia that is, the same abandonment happened in the South. By the way, the unions died with the movement, which may explain a big part of the move itself. Not too many unions in Asia.

    The Northeast lost its manufacturing sector with its changing technology and changing labor poll to Asia by the end of the Last century. What is left is a non-changing service sector skeleton of a landscape.

    Transportation changes, electric generation changes, unions with their inherent labor rates, cheaper labor rates in competition, increasing management by outsiders not invested in local concerns, big box store conversion from Main Street retail, all are the result of economies of scale. It is important as now there is a legitimate drive to move manufacturing of critical security items back to the US. All the stuff mentioned run counter to that and will have to be paid with with robotics or higher prices. No easy answers here.

    However, without the reversal, the whole US will decline into a service sector which will increase the welfare state eventually. I remember the beginning of the Obama time when the drive was to push manufacturing overseas to get rid of the pollution, a gift to the environmentalists and AGW folks. A manufacturing sector, anxious to reduce variable costs, complied happily. Obama cranked up the corporate tax rate that did the job well. We are now paying the price for that really stupid decision by the Deep State. Anyone need a mask, or disinfectant, or bleach, or PPE or any other health care equipment. You better get ready to kiss China’s butt to get anything.

    I order face masks six weeks ago, got them yesterday. Manufacturing source, tada, China. Surprise!

  205. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 11:04 am #

    Vilnius gets creative to beat the post-lockdown blues.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/lithuanian-capital-to-be-turned-into-vast-open-air-cafe-vilnius

    Probably a bit cold still for this in Hartford, Ct, but you can enjoy a Marlin Williams (TM) orange thingy in the open air if keep your coat and scarf on.

  206. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 11:04 am #

    Oh well. A society that isn’t serious will simply be replaced by another.

  207. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    “I remember the beginning of the Obama time when the drive was to push manufacturing overseas to get rid of the pollution, a gift to the environmentalists and AGW folks.”

    You’ve mentioned this three times now, JohnAZ. And each time I reply, to no avail.

    How does moving manufacturing to a low-regulation, high-pollution jurisdiction help the ‘AGW folks’?

  208. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 11:32 am #

    Nightowl, if you’re looking in, I meant to ask you …

    You mentioned your son, I was wondering if you were able to get him dual citizenship? We were able to get some of the youngsters in this family dual American/Spanish or American/French citizenship, which so far the benefits seem to be they can travel back and forth without a passport, and they can work here legally. People don’t seem to realize how high the level of unemployment is in Spain and France for young people. I don’t know how it is in Germany. One of them was also able to attend State U here paying instate rates, which is a pretty good deal.

    ————————————————————————

    My son has dual citizenship. I applied for it at the US consulate in Frankfurt right after he was born. It was very easy since I am American and my wife German.

    I don’t know about not having a passport (re: your example). As far as I know, a passport is always required for travel, etc. The only negative issue for my son will be that he will likely need to do a US tax return, just as I do each year. That is something the US needs to do away with.

    Not up to date on youth unemployment, but I can say that life here is cheaper and you can get by on far less well into adulthood. Although buying property is very expensive.

    I can also well imagine that if my son goes to college, he will end up going in Germany, as US degrees are not directly equivalent to German degrees. For example, a “Diplom” is equivalent to a US master’s degree, even though it is (traditionally) the degree one would first need to earn before pursuing further studies. Costs are also dirt cheap, relatively speaking.

    Germany has a very high quality of life in general, but to get into the upper middle class or above, one needs to be highly educated or have a skill that is in high demand. Economic mobility is better in the US, but it comes at the cost of some security.

  209. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    “There is no other plausible explanation”

    —————————————————–

    Wait until you discover time zones!

  210. wpa_ccc April 28, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

    They can pretty much track and trace everyone now. –SSL

    Why is that a bad thing? Are you engaged in illegal or immoral behavior that makes you upset about tracking?

    Re-localization means easier tracking and tracing. The smaller the local unit the more easily “tracking and tracing” happens. There is a saying about that in Spanish: “Pueblo chiquito, infierno grande.”

  211. gustafson.robert.22 April 28, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

    baffled by people who choose to live in cities over rural areas

  212. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

    GA

    The reason I have not answered back is there is no answer. You are right, Obama just shifted the source of pollution somewhere else, China and India, where pictures have shown the impact many times.

    The AGW folks get no reprieve, if anything it allows pressure to be taken off DC, a mistake. Now that the Asian pollution is invading everywhere, the whole lunacy of Obama’s team is coming forward.

    GA, my posts, over and over have expressed frustration with the fact that there is no solution for the oncoming climate changes. This morning I read an article by someone saying that Michael Moore’s new movie exposing the GND folks as a bunch of con artists. Yes, that Michael Moore. They made absurd statements about electric cars and wind/solar/biomass etc. being cheaper than fossil fuels. If this was so, they would be taking over. The only place where they have taken hold is where they are subsidized by tax dollars.

    Our governments have no money. There is no spare change to flush down the toilets of history today

    If I have learned one thing from Covid19, it is this fact. There is no real money. When all the bills come due from this pandemic, the house of cards is not only going to collapse, it will burn into oblivion.

  213. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

    Speaking of Germany, there was an article this AM saying they are already having to reconsider reversing opening up because the no. Cases are going up.

    A scary, depressing sign.

  214. BackRowHeckler April 28, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

    Nightowl, check me on the passport statement, my wife informs me they still need to carry passports to go back and forth, I was wrong on that. They were able to get DLs here for ID and to drive the jeep around, which they like. Who knows what the future holds for these kids so dual citizenship might be a plus in the future.

    Brh

  215. elysianfield April 28, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

    “We don’t know everything, but we know a huge amount compared to 1 January”

    Cargill,
    Can you give me an example of something that we really “know”?
    Many studies. Many statements from those with authority and gravitas. Many anecdotal accounts.

    What do we really know? That something is sometimes caused by a virus?

    What?

  216. Sean Coleman April 28, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    Nightowl: “Twuump told people to dwink houwsehold cleaner!!!!”

    Ha ha! My wife came into me the other day and told me that what Trump had said was terrible, or strange, or both. I told her never to believe a word of what it said on Irish television (I never watch or listen to RTE) because their hatred of the man is insane. Whjy? Because everyone else hates him and so they do too.

    I do not know what the story was but I assume he made a joke about injecting disinfectant to fight The Virus and they rounded on him for putting people’s lives at risk. Me, I am still getting over his claim to have had a larger crowd at his inauguration than Obama. How COULD he?!

  217. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

    “They made absurd statements about electric cars and wind/solar/biomass etc. being cheaper than fossil fuels. If this was so, they would be taking over.”

    I agree, JohnAZ. They all know only half the story, like Greta.

    Although fossil fuels are hugely subsidised too. And nuclear – don’t even go there. No private insurance company will insure them (here, anyway) so they’re basically insured by the taxpayer.

    Electric cars and buses are still a good thing in terms of local pollution and some relief for people with respiratory diseases, but they’re not going to solve the energy problem, I agree. And we need the mix, as you’ve said before, particularly as there are other needs for oil apart from burning it.

  218. Sean Coleman April 28, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

    This is how former Irish journalist Gemma O’Docherty deals with a police road block in Dublin. She is travelling to the High Court with John Waters to try to get the emergency regulations overturned as unconstitutional. I almost feel sorry for the police-woman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YWA3vCi6c&t=1s

  219. elysianfield April 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

    ” I have driven a couple times right through eastern NY State”

    “I just wish more of you could give up addiction to the motor vehicle.”

    Cargill,

    …hunh….

  220. DJ in RuralWNC April 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

    “Summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street”….”But where I live (London) the game to play is compromise solution”. The day of compromise solution may be gone for good

  221. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

    That sounds right.

  222. Q. Shtik April 28, 2020 at 1:24 pm #

    What was his other leg called? – Green Alba

    ============

    Truman (or Harry, for short).

    Nice catch Greenie.

  223. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 1:28 pm #

    I too get the sense that today’s cities are tomorrow’s death traps.

  224. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

    Sean,

    RE: the crowd thing. I was at Obama’s inauguration, as I lived in NE DC at the time. No crowd has ever been larger on the National Mall, but that was expected.

    IIRC, the Trump claim was that if you took Internet viewership into account, his crowd may have been larger. Which, of course, when we peel back the layers of media bullshit, has a high liklihood of being true, given the advances in streaming technology.

    Trump enrages the media, because he speaks truth most of the time. And I must admit, he is the last guy I ever expected to say that about.

  225. Nightowl April 28, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

    “Who knows what the future holds for these kids so dual citizenship might be a plus in the future.”

    —————————————————————————

    BRH, indeed. It will certainly be an asset. I keep hoping the law will change so that I can get it, too.

    Currently, I can stay here as long as i want with my Aufenthaltserlaubnis (which will probably be for good, given that we have property here), but as it stands, if I want citizenship in Germany, US law requires me to renounce my citizenship — which I am not willing to do.

  226. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

    Uncle Bob

    “I am not making this up — planting concrete islands in the middle of seemingly every damn intersection in town, calling these navigation hazards “roundabouts”, and local politicians bragging about the sagacity of their actions. ”

    Having discussed roundabouts several times with our friends across the Big Pond, I get the distinct impression Americans are not big fans. I don’t know why – I think they’re brilliant (although I do have some caveats, that I shan’t bore you with).

    Certainly superior to the 4-way stop or traffic lights … both of which can make you stop for no reason.

    I’m also not a big fan of over-decoration of roundabouts … a tree or low flowers can be okay, but for them to work really efficiently and safely, you need to be able to see the indicator light of a vehicle coming at you from straight on, since that will guide your own action (ie, proceed or stop).

    And since almost all indicator lights (blinkers) are located at bumper-bar level or thereabouts, that doesn’t give roundabout creatives much room to play with, to avoid blocking sight-lines.

  227. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

    https://www.amren.com/news/2020/04/i-teach-at-oxford-but-i-dont-want-it-to-win-the-coronavirus-vaccine-race/

    You see that would bolster English Pride and since most of the researchers are White and gasp, male, they suck and deserve nothing and no pride.

    Surely even Carguile (TM) will find this attitude and this wretched woman, repulsive.

    Will non-Whites and Women refuse the vaccine if developed by White Men? Then they should reject all of modern life, walking around naked eating dirt….

  228. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

    Q: Don’t encourage it.

  229. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

    Nig Owl: we are thrilled with your Dual Loyalty!

  230. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

    Currently, I can stay here as long as i want with my Aufenthaltserlaubnis (which will probably be for good, given that we have property here), but as it stands, if I want citizenship in Germany, US law requires me to renounce my citizenship — which I am not willing to do.

    My oldest friends live in Manhattan, and have for about ten years or so. They have green cards and permanent residency. Their two boys (born in Australia) only need a couple more years, and they can become US citizens (under the 14 years out of 21 rule for children). I’m not sure if they can retain their Australian nationality, but I think so.

    My mate (who is a bigwig international tax economist) can’t “afford” to become a US citizen … he has considerable assets in Australia and they would become taxable in New York. No thanks.

    This official page says you can retain your US citizenship if you become a citizen elsewhere:

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

  231. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

    Surely even Carguile (TM) will find this attitude and this wretched woman, repulsive.

    I find American Renaissance repulsive, that’s true. And hard to take the story seriously with so many “snips” in it. Goes into the “fake news” file probably, or possibly the “mock outrage from white supremacists again” file … it’ll be on Fox & Friends for breakfast.

  232. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

    ”I have driven a couple times right through eastern NY State”

    “I just wish more of you could give up addiction to the motor vehicle.”

    Cargill …hunh….

    I drive in the US because I have to. We’ve criss-crossed Europe from St Petersburg to Lisbon, and have never rented a car … the trains are outstanding, or the occasional bus.

    By addiction, I mean in the JHK landscape sense … so much of the US is dedicated to the convenience of drivers, that it makes places ugly, devoid of human scale, and stripped of any soul. And the fucking concrete everywhere … you sure seem to love the stuff!

  233. Q. Shtik April 28, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

    Q: Don’t encourage it. – Janos

    ==========

    Don’t encourage what?

  234. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

    Janos

    “Will non-Whites and Women refuse the vaccine if developed by White Men?”

    The woman’s an idiot but I’m afraid the vaccine was developed by Professor Sarah Gilbert. There are some men involved in running the trial, though, so you should be able to take it just the same if it succeeds (she thinks it’s 80% likely to – they’re taking a major financial risk by producing it while the trial is running.)

    In the meantime, Professor Gilbert is one of those women who is, bizarrely, ‘about something’. Thankfully.

  235. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 3:15 pm #

    Q –

    “Don’t encourage what?”

    Possibly humour. I think he’s keeping the best jokes for his new compendium of Nazi rib ticklers.

  236. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm #

    When Treebeard was carrying Merry and Pippin, Merry (or was it Pippin? All those Hobbits look alike) said to Pippin (or was it Merry), “Don’t encourage it” because Pippin was talking back to the talking Tree.

    Treebeard’s most famous quote, “I’m on no one’s side because no one is on mine” – could be the motto of the White American, truly the forgotten man.

  237. Q. Shtik April 28, 2020 at 4:12 pm #

    Treebeard’s most famous quote, – Janos at 4:02 pm

    ===========

    WOW, that name goes back many years. You must be keeping a log of commenters on this site, their driving ideology, etc. Either that or you have a great memory.

    It’s starting to come back to me…….. was it ‘Treebeard’s Uncle?’

  238. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 4:22 pm #

    Cargill – TC’s okay in my view.

    I’m not sure what “TC” is the abbreviation for, Majella.

  239. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

    Treebeard’s most famous quote, “I’m on no one’s side because no one is on mine” – could be the motto of the White American, truly the forgotten man.

    Aww diddums … you poor widdle babies …

    You have all the money, all the power, all the flash homes, all the flash women … got the lot … unless of course you’re white trash deplorable, vote for Trump, drink the white supremacy kool-aid, and find conspiracies under every bush.

    Do you know why people go white supremacy? It’s there feeling of inadequacy and inferiority – they know that black/brown people are superior in just about every way … it’s why they’ve been subjugated for 400 years.

    But now some of the chains are breaking and white heads explode and they head for the hills! Just look how freaked out they are about AOC – the good ole bots can’t stand an intelligent woman of colour! JOJ!

  240. sophia April 28, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

    (Amanda Prestigiacomo) Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.

    In the beginning of April, physician and State Sen. Scott Jensen (R-MN) notified the public of the policy and later emphasized on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle” that “anytime health care intersects with dollars, it gets awkward.”

    “Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000,” Jensen said on the Fox program. “If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.”

    Besides corruption, it is scary that there is a monetary incentive for hospitals to intubate when we now know that should only be a last ditch option.

  241. GreenAlba April 28, 2020 at 5:06 pm #

    “anytime health care intersects with dollars, it gets awkward.”

    “Besides corruption, it is scary that there is a monetary incentive for hospitals to intubate when we now know that should only be a last ditch option.”

    How true. What an evil system. At least here there are strictly no dollars involved, only clinical decisions and occasionally shortages. Here there are so many Covid deaths that can’t be certificated as Covid, because of the lack of test kits. Now 5000 excess deaths in care homes in England for the period compared to normal years – not counted in the published statistics, bringing the REAL UK total to something more in the region of 26,000. If you don’t count the deaths at home of course.

    Glad you got your geographical queries sorted out, Anna-M. That was an entertaining subthread. Wikipedia, Google Maps, atlases – so many choices… 🙂

  242. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

    Wow finally Cargill tells us what he really thinks. He is as racist as anyone else. Cargill has no authority to assert any fake color blind moral superiority over anybody in this area. But how many years has he lived in privilege?

  243. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

    Yes, it goes beyond awkward. It’s immoral and even evil. I guess “First do no harm” never applied to finances.

  244. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 5:34 pm #

    And Cargill called me totally and utterly incoherent. Back in the day, we used to say that an obnoxious interloper was “cruisin’ for a bruisin'”. Here, he doesn’t have to worry about that, and in a war of words he’d be no match.

  245. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

    And thanks to Maj for the thumbs up.

  246. akmofo April 28, 2020 at 5:46 pm #

    Islamic Homicide Bomber Trainer Blows Up His Entire Class
    ==

    Happy Birthday Israel !!!

    Muslim Twins Convert to Judaism, Join IDF

    Fatima and Zukra Islambakov are twins born to a Muslim mother nineteen years ago in Uzbekistan.

    After several years in a Muslim school and years of considering themselves Muslims, the twins discovered that they had Jewish roots and that their father was Jewish, after Jewish Agency representatives showed up at their home and suggested the twins make aliyah.

    The twins abandoned the local tradition and decided to arrive in and move to Israel with their families. However, they were still considered Muslims by Israeli law. Today, however, they serve in the Israeli Defense Forces after converting to Judaism and undergoing a name-change process. One of the twins even took part in one of Operation Protective Edge’s important missions.

    The twins are no longer called Fatima and Zukra, but instead Yael and Noga. The twins also changed their last name from Islambakov to Steinman. Fatima, or Yael as she is known now, has already completed a military conversion to Judaism course, and her sister Zukra, who is soon to be known as Noga, is expected to complete the conversion soon.

  247. gustafson.robert.22 April 28, 2020 at 5:48 pm #

    looks like many bad covid cases may be triggered auto-immune reactions to it… allergic reactions almost

  248. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 5:50 pm #

    “anytime health care intersects with dollars, it gets awkward.”

    It’s always the case that health care involves money – even in long-standing national health schemes, such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

    Hospitals, both state and private, have to be adequately funded, and the number of patient-nights plus the types of procedures are always going to be in the mix. Then there are the issues of insurance cover, co-payments, and so on.

    What is the alternative to a fee for pandemic victim treatment … send everyone broke, whether they recover or die?

    If there is moral hazard involved (“He’s not in bad shape, but the accountants have advised he should go on a ventilator.”) then that is a design flaw. In principle – flat fees for Covid-19 treatment provided is good policy.

    Yet more Fox News “mock outrage”.

  249. akmofo April 28, 2020 at 6:00 pm #

    ER Doctors Reveal Disturbing COVID Truths Media Won’t Tell You | LevinTV

    https://youtu.be/OY4xSz6yCMk
    .

  250. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 6:02 pm #

    Wow finally Cargill tells us what he really thinks. He is as racist as anyone else. Cargill has no authority to assert any fake color blind moral superiority over anybody in this area. But how many years has he lived in privilege?

    Need to brush up your comprehension skills, comrade. What I said was anti-racist, not racist. Yes in my lovely world with a privileged position, I am virtually colourblind for sure.

    And anyway, only whites can be racist – it is a term about political power over people of colour. It’s not transitive … the oppressed group can’t ever be racist – it’s illogical to say that. We’ve had this discussion previously.

    Same with sexism – women can’t be “sexist” towards the more powerful male. (Although women can discriminate against other women – by not promoting qualified women, or whatever).

  251. wpa_ccc April 28, 2020 at 6:08 pm #

    How the Trump administration failed to protect America:

    Rolling Stone Timeline
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rolling-stone-timeline-coronavirus-america-982944/

  252. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

    The twins are no longer called Fatima and Zukra, but instead Yael and Noga. The twins also changed their last name from Islambakov to Steinman. Fatima, or Yael as she is known now, has already completed a military conversion to Judaism course, and her sister Zukra, who is soon to be known as Noga, is expected to complete the conversion soon.

    An unholy mix of brainwashing and child-abuse. What a horror.

    Thank god for atheists!

  253. axisboldaslove April 28, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

    One of your best essays yet, Jim. Thank you!

  254. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 6:21 pm #

    And Cargill called me totally and utterly incoherent.

    Yes it was wrong of me to tie you with the genuinely execrable DarkBird, and I withdraw the comment unconditionally.

  255. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 6:31 pm #

    Very gracious of you, Cargill. Thank you.

  256. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

    Who is DarkBird?

  257. BackRowHeckler April 28, 2020 at 6:57 pm #

    Hey Cargill what’s this ‘Comrade’ bullsh#t, as if you’re some big revolutionary? Your Marxism is too tepid and washed out to call people ‘Comrade’, a faculty lounge faux type of Marxism, not the real thing.

    Brh

  258. Majella April 28, 2020 at 7:05 pm #

    Cargill

    Sorry, NOT TC – TS – Tucsonspur…

  259. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

    Most Marxists are rich and privileged and believe themselves to be aristocracy so his attitude is no big surprise.

  260. jim e April 28, 2020 at 7:09 pm #

    But isn’t wearing a mask in public a crime in Alabama?

    Yes, there is a KKK-era law that forbids people from covering their faces in public. However, Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall says this law won’t be enforced right now.

    What about eating at a restaurant?

    Restaurant dining rooms are still closed. However, Woodfin said masks will obviously have to be removed for eating.

  261. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

    Blacks can never be racist? Even when they kill Whites for being White? Talk about giving some people a blank moral check! When you do, don’t be surprised if they cash it for an exorbitant amount.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2020/04/his-name-is-logan-allen-stacks-in-deep-south-two-black-males-murder-17-year-old-white-teenager/

  262. tucsonspur April 28, 2020 at 7:37 pm #

    A moribund economy in November is death for Republicans. Trump’s agonizing asininity throughout this ordeal has to be spun and twisted around into a rosette of re-electability. Thus Covid mortality rates are being fudged, and the Dems are exaggerating the dangers.

    The way it looks to me now is that the Dems won’t have to fudge or exaggerate anything, as the infection rate rises with reopening and the virus lingers and lebensraum causes Trump to lose.

    The formidable Dem army has amassed. Hillary. Obama. Warren. AOC. Sanders. Biden. Who will best use the challenging, capricious, corpse making Covid? Who will best capture the virus and use its marlinspikes to mastermind victory?

  263. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

    From another angle, Whites are inferior and Blacks and Browns, superior – that’s why Whites have been able to conquer them everywhere? Welcome to the Planet, Carguile – where the laws of logic and causality simply do not apply.

  264. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm #

    “Military conversion to Judaism course” – yet Israel is supposed to be a secular state? This is more Nazi Vatican hooliganism.

  265. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 7:54 pm #

    Hey Cargill what’s this ‘Comrade’ bullsh#t, as if you’re some big revolutionary? Your Marxism is too tepid and washed out to call people ‘Comrade’, a faculty lounge faux type of Marxism, not the real thing.

    History Lesson

    I have done this before, but I’ll run it again. The term “comrade” pre-dates any revolutionary force of the 20th Century – such as the Bolsheviks in Russia.

    It was used in various Labor parties (UK, NZ, here in Australia) a generation before the Russkies used “Tovarishch” (comrade, friend).

    And Labor parties are a reform movement, representing the working class, and based around unions (still to this day, but less so). And just like the Democratic Party has morphed to a party of the urban middle-class liberals and minorities, so has the Australian Labor Party (ALP), but to a much lesser extent.

    The ALP still has a strong working-class base – we do not have a Trump who has locked on 40% of the people – a combination of Tea Party leftovers, angry poor whites, and the Evangelists. Our “conservative party is called the Liberal Party, and is far more progressive than your Republican Party.

    Yes – in some senses the ALP is a “tepid Marxist” movement – and I’m quite proud to be a part of the Centre Left, comrade. There is nothing academic armchair about it – I’ve done my share of working voluntarily at elections, etc.

  266. Majella April 28, 2020 at 7:58 pm #

    Skorenzy:
    “This is more Nazi Vatican hooliganism.”

    Confusing…I thought you were a Nazi-booster? As well, you seem to have been drawn into the akmofo’s nutbar ‘vatican mafia’ clap-trap.

  267. sophia April 28, 2020 at 8:15 pm #

    And anyway, only whites can be racist – it is a term about political power over people of colour. It’s not transitive … the oppressed group can’t ever be racist – it’s illogical to say that. We’ve had this discussion previously.

    Same with sexism – women can’t be “sexist” towards the more powerful male.

    Oh God, Oh God, Oh God.

    You have crossed the line from silly brainwashed liberal to outright evil. And in this day and age, there is no excuse for such evil.

    Unbelievable.

  268. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 8:15 pm #

    Holy cow!

    Michael Moore has been clobbered by the Climate change Nazis for his new movie, “Planet of the Humans”. Why would the liberal of all liberals create a movie like this.

    It is actually created, written and directed by a man named Jerry Gibbs. You never see MM. I just now finished watching it. I recommend everyone on the Blog watch this epic on You Tube. It is the embodiment of everything that JHK has been saying for fifteen years. It is absolutely frightening. It is totally condemning the Elite of humanity with destroying the Earth for the rest of us. His concluding sequences basically say that the Elite have absorbed the AGW crowd and are exploiting the political scene with GND. Moore is being criticized by the climate folks for exposing what is really going on inside the Left regarding alternate energy and what a total farce that it is. What little of my faith in a climate aware changing world is gone now.

    GA, this one is going to pop your bubble. The people we love to hate are actually sponsoring all the GND propaganda. The billionaires are now running the show. He really clobbers Al Gore, the Koch brothers and others. I am really set back by this movie.

    Remember the name of the movie when you watch the closing scene. Brilliant! Thank you MM for this expose.

  269. elysianfield April 28, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

    Thank You Sweet Jesus!!!

    The Republic is saved! The BBC, this PM, reports that The House of Representatives will defer from their scheduled formal return and opening of the legislative body.

    Reason given? Virus…too soon.

    Maybe they know something that we don’t?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52462114

  270. sophia April 28, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

    Janos,

    There is really almost no one here worth talking to. Two have been dismissed, one I had long ago skimmed over his posts without reading, and there are a couple of others that are about the same.

    As for Trump, I asked this before and probably missed any response, but are any other prime ministers or presidents putting in the time and effort, fighting for their people like he is? Getting so many things right and giving us hope for real solutions and not just a vaccine?

    I have severe doubt that a vaccine can be developed or that it will be safe.
    He is really open minded. I had a UV light treatment at the cancer clinic I went to.

  271. sophia April 28, 2020 at 8:26 pm #

    Is there any hope for a timeline on getting the site fixed? It just isn’t much fun trying to comment with such a cumbersome setup.

  272. Majella April 28, 2020 at 9:08 pm #

    Sophia

    “As for Trump, I asked this before and probably missed any response, but are any other prime ministers or presidents putting in the time and effort, fighting for their people like he is? Getting so many things right and giving us hope for real solutions and not just a vaccine?”

    No doubt, I’m one of the posters on your sh*t list, but I’ll respond anyway.

    1) You must be absolutely chock to the gills with the Kool-Aid if you really believe what you’ve written (copied above). Your conversations with others have shown that you simply won’t believe facts, so no surprise there.

    2) Other Political Leaders who have done more and worked harder? You don’t have to look far, but I will refer you to New Zealand and PM Jacinda Ardern. There’s an 80% approval of her & her government’s steps, from early action & lock-down, with total elimination likely to be the final outcome within a couple of weeks. The effort has been lead by meidcal experts and has been non-partisan (and it also has an election this year). The contrast with President Chlorox is astounding.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/elimination-what-new-zealands-coronavirus-response-can-teach-the-world

  273. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 9:17 pm #

    You Trump haters are not going to like it when someone comes along and starts working in something that will be inhaled and kill the virus.

    FYI, in ACLS, advanced coronary rescucitation There are five drugs that are sprayed into a breathing tube directly to treat patients in ACLS.

    It may be an option to put something into a breathing tube on a respirator that would clobber the bug. Definitely not bleach though.

    Trump may have the last laugh here on the media again.

  274. Majella April 28, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

    JohnAZ

    I’d WELCOME any such effective treatment! Absolutely. Why would you think that someone (me, among millions of others) who can see through the Bloviator-in-Chief would NOT welcome an effective treatment? Do you truly think we would want to see the death toll GROW?

    What’s just as weird to me is why you’d say that, if such a treatment was developed, it would be Himself having a ‘last laugh’?

    I support his suggestions of any sort of alternativ treament, even the nutbar suggestions, but only if he’ll offer himself as in a human trial. After all, to paraphrase Himself , ‘what has he got to lose?’

  275. Majella April 28, 2020 at 9:39 pm #

    Sophia – further

    On the likelihood that you won’t have bothered reading the link provided, here’s a salient excerpt:

    “One critical success factor that is, unfortunately, harder to guarantee is high-quality political leadership. The brilliant, decisive and humane leadership of Ardern was instrumental in New Zealand’s rapid change in direction with its response to Covid-19 and the remarkably efficient implementation of the elimination strategy.

    The lockdown does, however, have massive short-term social and economic costs for New Zealand, and will be particularly tough for those with the least resources, including M?ori and Pacific populations and low-income New Zealanders. The New Zealand Government response has included a range of measures to protect these groups, including a major economic support package and restrictions on rent increases and evictions.”

  276. JohnAZ April 28, 2020 at 9:58 pm #

    Majella

    The last laugh on the media for making a mountain out of a molehill.

  277. Janos Skorenzy April 28, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

    Sophia: I can’t believe Trump is really fighting for us. He seems to take his orders from Kushner – perhaps Kushner Sr with Kushner Jr being the messenger boy and “handler”. A number of American Presidents have had such. Bernard Baruch was the real president, not the hapless “Ike”.

    Poor Trump may have some real sentiments towards us, but he’s not going to go against the Big Business lobby who want cheap labor. He has never said a word against legal immigration after all. Nor against the Tribe who seem to be his real power base and backers. Alas, we are just the White Pawns to be sacrificed and discarded as needs be.

    He’ll talk about Blacks and Hispanics but never Us. They wouldn’t like it….

  278. BackRowHeckler April 28, 2020 at 10:16 pm #

    Hey Cargill there are many Trump supporters out here who weren’t in the Tea Party, aren’t poor, and are not evangelicals. At least 60 million of us. You say you know America, but you don’t know America at all.

    Brh

  279. PeteAtomic April 28, 2020 at 10:25 pm #

    Thanks to John in Arizona for the heads up on Planet of the Humans on youtube…
    Watching it right now…looks good..

  280. SoftStarLight April 28, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

    Yeah but those who were part of the Tea Party and are poor and evangelical were the ones who fought the battle to get Trump to even have the possibility to become President. And that is exactly who he has ignored every step of the way. And in some of the most hurtful ways too.

  281. sophia April 28, 2020 at 10:34 pm #

    Majella,

    What you consider to be facts are absurdities.
    The difference between your PM and Trump is that he operates within a nest of vipers. It doesn’t matter what he does or doesn’t, it will be criticized. The situation is undignified for us as a nation, and shameful.

    It may be questionable if a country with a population 1/4 the size of New York City can really be compared; there are no doubt several variables that will go into this or that country’s experience.

    But stating over and over that he is a bumbling fool means nothing. I have watched his press meetings and am impressed by what he says and tries to do. He took a lot of flak about hydroxy, and the nefarious elites went far in trying to discount it, yet it is gaining worldwide.

    What borders on treason and makes any pretense at actual concern for the populace suspect is the nasty and aggressive way that the media speak to him rather than trying to be helpful when we are supposed to be in a national emergency.

    Using this situation to further this war with him, which is personal, is a betrayal of the country.

    Excuse me if I don’t take it seriously when those with TDS try for the 8,000th time to say the same old crap about him no matter what he says, what he does. It is entirely predictable, therefore a rehearsed response, not in reality, not in real time. Meanwhile we were definitely mislead by the so-called experts at the WHO and others. They downplayed the danger and now they blame Trump as if he is the only person in the world with any responsibility for this.

  282. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

    I literally cannot believe that anyone could say with a straight face that the daily Trump clown show (a) reflects a president “working hard”, or (b) is anything other than shameless TV time. Even the timing is cynical … 5-7 PM to cut into the evening news peak, and to dampen any fact-checking or criticism. It hasn’t saved one life, and probably cost many.

    It’s laughable – but I guess to the cult he walks on water – or behaps bleach. And UV light shines out of his butt.

    And a small factoid for the history buffs – today (29 April) is the 250th Anniversary of Captain Cook arriving at what would become Sydney – in 1770. Celebrations have been online only.

  283. sophia April 28, 2020 at 10:41 pm #

    SSL,

    Yeah but those who were part of the Tea Party and are poor and evangelical were the ones who fought the battle to get Trump to even have the possibility to become President. And that is exactly who he has ignored every step of the way. And in some of the most hurtful ways too.

    Why do you say this?

    Janos,

    I would like him to do certain things way better. I doubt he should have agreed to a lockdown at all, although perhaps in a few hot spots.
    I think he is fighting for us because he’s looking for different low tech or natural solutions and isn’t pushing vaccines. He is encouraging Americans to protest the lockdown or at least protest the excessive use of force. Of course, others disagree, but I feel that a prolonged lockdown might have terrible consequences and we have flattened the curve and the country must reopen. The politicians of the world are in a tight spot because the fear mongering made people have unrealistic notions of safety. If normal life does not resume then life will dwindle away.
    He fights for us when he openly tells the media that their behavior is shameful and that America would be a greater country if they had an honest media.

  284. Majella April 28, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

    Every time Trump says something like…”We’re doing a great job”….a reporter should ask him if he is being sarcastic.

  285. Majella April 28, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

    JohnAZ

    Majella

    The last laugh on the media for making a mountain out of a molehill.

    Which mountain and which molelhill? I don’t get your thinking…

  286. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 10:48 pm #

    What borders on treason and makes any pretense at actual concern for the populace suspect is the nasty and aggressive way that the media speak to him rather than trying to be helpful when we are supposed to be in a national emergency.

    LOL … the cultists are so culty that they believe criticism of the Golden One borders on treason … so much for basic freedom of speech, and the long tradition of decent media shining a very strong light on governments, on behalf of the people.

    Fox News on the other hand is nothing but state propaganda … and they aren’t even the slightest bit concerned about being seen in that role. They have the deplorables and the cultists watching zombie-like.

    And where is the nest of vipers? Politicians holding power have to earn the respect of those who work in the system – you don’t just get it because you have been appointed and anointed.

    And it doesn’t help that (a) Trump is the worst president in US history, and (b) he is only there because the Russians got him over the line. This is where you could look for the real treason.

  287. Majella April 28, 2020 at 10:51 pm #

    Sophia

    ‘I have watched his press meetings and am impressed by what he says and tries to do. ‘

    That says it all. Have you noticed how what he says today, he often says the opposite the next day? His ‘message’ is so confused – and confusing – as to be extremely counter-productive. He’s politicized the whole situation beyond belief.

  288. Majella April 28, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

    Sophia:

    He fights for us when he openly tells the media that their behavior is shameful and that America would be a greater country if they had an honest media.’

    PLease – define hwat an ‘honest’ media is? Fox?

  289. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 10:55 pm #

    Which mountain and which molelhill? I don’t get your thinking…

    I think the argument is that an effective treatment might emerge that works as an inhalant – or a gas that is pumped into the lungs.

    But to me it’s a tangential point … Trump wasn’t criticised for saying an inhalant was the answer – it might prove to be the case, however unlikely – but that he thought it could be bleach or cleanser … because it is used to wipe down tables and door handles.

    He is laughed at because he makes up crazy stuff, or repeats out loud the last thing he heard from a nutter, or read on a nutty website. If he ever gets anything right, it is an accident, or obvious, or trivial.

  290. Majella April 28, 2020 at 11:16 pm #

    Sophia
    I think he is fighting for us because he’s looking for different low tech or natural solutions and isn’t pushing vaccines.

    I imagine there’s an army of researchers on this very job. He’s the fecking President, for pity’s sake, and as he says himself “I’m not a doctor” – so why is he spitballing in a televised broadcast about nutjob alternatives? He’s grandstanding for his own political purposes. He’s not ‘fighting’ for anyone except Himself.

  291. Cargill April 28, 2020 at 11:41 pm #

    SSL,

    “Yeah but those who were part of the Tea Party and are poor and evangelical were the ones who fought the battle to get Trump to even have the possibility to become President. And that is exactly who he has ignored every step of the way. And in some of the most hurtful ways too.”

    Why do you say this?

    If you have to ask, then there is almost certainly no point listing the reasons, but I’ll give a sample:

    • massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations
    • almost no tax cuts for workers and the middle class
    • no end to foreign wars
    • no new investment in the rust belt
    • no jobs repatriated from low-cost countries
    • ridiculous tariff | trade wars hurting farmers and others
    • attacks on Obamacare – his base use it
    • attacks on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid – ditto
    • attacks on Veterans benefits
    • the swamp wasn’t drained, it was made much worse
    • incompetent, corrupt, or conflicted cabinet choices

    That’s probably enough to make the point … and lo and behold, he hasn’t even built one mile of the wall!

  292. akmofo April 28, 2020 at 11:43 pm #

    Jan,

    The girls are recent arrivals to Israel. They are now 19 and as such must go to the army. In the army they will also attend Ulpan and learn Hebrew. Like every Israeli citizen they will learn Jewish/biblical history and Jewish customs tradition/laws. After which time they will be examined by a committee of Rabbis and tested for this knowledge. One of the twin girls has already passed her tests. The other has yet to do so. The Israeli Army is the real university institution in Israel. It is where most young Israelis learn their future professions, be it medical sciences, mechanical engineering, electric engineering, electronic engineering, civil engineering, culinary skills, clerical work, etc.

    Israel is a Jewish State. All it’s institutions from A to Z are Jewish and we make ZERO apologies for it. Judaism is the land is the air is the language is the law is the water that gives life to everything that is. Where we part company with you, is we don’t discriminate against minorities, of which we have 1001 different kinds. Everyone is loved and respected and given their space and afforded their psychological comfort and encouragement to be the best possible citizens they can be.

    Druze Christians Muslims are all welcome to serve in the IDF, and do. We leave it for them as a personal choice. Those that serve, do so out of deep gratitude deep honour and deep pride to give back to the country that has given them so much.

    Muslim unit of trackers responsible for maintaining no cross border infiltrations:

    https://youtu.be/fd6BNFqBC1Y

    Ramadan food drive for Haifa’s Muslim residents locked inside because of the Corona virus:

    https://youtu.be/VtPnvXZM5sM
    .

  293. akmofo April 28, 2020 at 11:49 pm #

    JAZ, I just watch the Michael Moore documentary you recommended. I must say I am surprised. I agree with pretty much everything being said.

  294. Majella April 29, 2020 at 12:00 am #

    Australian Medical Officer of Health:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTPOlruyDk

  295. sophia April 29, 2020 at 12:01 am #

    Majella,

    Another reason NZ may be having such good success is that the virus hit you at the right time of year. Susceptibility to flus and colds tracks nicely with vitamin D levels, which tracks with the season.

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/28/covid-update-focus-on-vitamin-d/

  296. Majella April 29, 2020 at 12:03 am #

    Sophia

    Bullshit.

  297. KesaAnna April 29, 2020 at 12:09 am #

    ” They can pretty much track and trace everyone now. –SSL

    Why is that a bad thing? Are you engaged in illegal or immoral behavior that makes you upset about tracking? ”

    It is only a good thing if ,

    One — you think that giving me the power to search your house is a good thing.

    Two — you think it is a good thing that I likewise have the power to define as ” illegal ” or , ” immoral ” what ever I like.

    That’s not a hypothetical , or an opinion , but an observable circumstance that has transpired within the lifetimes, I would guess , of most people who read this blog.

    For example , if a person who was born in Saxony in 1900 lived to see the year 2000 , then they would have seen five major regime changes ;

    Imperial Germany , Weimar Republic , Third Reich , German Democratic Republic , and the crowd of current assholes who , of course , think themselves an improvement on the previous four .

    That is to say that , at some point during that persons life , someone like me did have the power to search their house , and did have the power to write the laws in such a way that ” illegal ” or , ” immoral ” is whatever they like.

    ” Are you engaged in illegal or immoral behavior that … ”

    My character would never be a relevant issue if the idea was fundamentally good .

    My character is only relevant because it is a fundamentally bad idea.

  298. Q. Shtik April 29, 2020 at 12:36 am #

    About 2 weeks ago I told about my daughter’s in-laws. Her m-i-l and s-i-l are both nurses in a nearby nursing home. Both these nurses became infected with the virus. The husband of the older nurse (i.e. my daughter’s f-i-l) and their youngest son (in his 20s and still living at home) both became infected with the virus. This youngest son (my daughter’s b-i-l) has bounced back from the virus as most young people do. The f-i-l still feels like shit.

    Today, the m-i-l nurse was forced to go back to work at the nursing home where she is head nurse. She made it through the day but is exhausted and depressed because nearly 1/3rd of the nursing home clientele has died of the virus during her brief absence. Yes, all these old folks were destined to die there but to do so in a mad rush over the course of 2 or 3 weeks is……… well, you can just imagine.

  299. KesaAnna April 29, 2020 at 12:42 am #

    I can imagine that writing , ” mother – in – law ” would have taken less than two minutes , and then copy – pasting would have taken less than a minute, but you couldn’t be fucking bothered to do so.

  300. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 12:55 am #

    Sophia, on that question I do have to admit Cargill had some very relevant points. In that response I was immediately thinking of the wall and the immigration moratorium. The earliest support of Trump was from the Tea Party network not the Republican Party. And remember all of the Democrats who switched parties to vote for him in the primaries? Well at that time the major reasons people voted for him was the wall, to stop immigration, and to bring jobs back home. There is no wall really and immigration hasn’t stopped. In fact he said he wanted more people coming in than ever before. Foreigners can still come in and take American jobs even now!

  301. sophia April 29, 2020 at 1:02 am #

    What’s bullshit? That most people do not supplement with vitamin D and that levels fluctuate from summer to winter and that vitamin D is a crucial part of the immune response?

    I thought I was the one who was impervious to facts.

    Where do you live Majella?

  302. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 1:07 am #

    If you disagree with the PC patrol then your behavior is illegal and immoral. If you are part of the PC patrol then you are free to be illegal and immoral. That’s why they are lifting up the sexual predator Joe Biden to be President.

  303. Q. Shtik April 29, 2020 at 1:26 am #

    I can imagine that writing , ” mother – in – law ” would have taken less than two minutes , and then copy – pasting would have taken less than a minute, but you couldn’t be fucking bothered to do so. – Kesa, 4/29 at 12:42 am

    ===========

    F-Y-A-T-H-Y-R-I-O

    Fuck you and the horse you rode in on

  304. gustafson.robert.22 April 29, 2020 at 2:05 am #

    all the vitriolic reactions to Planet of the Humans are so funny

  305. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 2:15 am #

    You mean to tell me the green scam can’t get us out of this jam!?

  306. tucsonspur April 29, 2020 at 2:24 am #

    Another Trump failure. Health care.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-supreme-court-rules-insurers-141214386.html

    Listen to the man promise the book, but who can’t give you a page: (Arpege, if you want)

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/8-striking-donald-trump-quotes-on-healthcare-repeal-it-replace-it-get-something-great.html

    Not saying the Dems gave us anything great. Just get ready to pay through every orifice you own in the future.

    Just think of it. Not one Republican with enough smarts and steel to run against this bloated, blubbering bashibazouk and win. We’ve got a rotten egg in one casket.

    A tisket, a tasket, Trump is in the casket!

  307. Nightowl April 29, 2020 at 2:34 am #

    What’s this? The Coupsters forgot to turn over 6,800 pages of evidence in the Flynn case.

    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1255241959666573312

    Truth Train still chugging along … rolling over vermin en route to its final destination.

  308. Nightowl April 29, 2020 at 2:47 am #

    Nig Owl: we are thrilled with your Dual Loyalty!

    ————————————————————–

    Things get complicated when you have family from two places. And loyalty can’t ever really be set in stone, as circumstances change.

    Had I been required to serve in the US military on one of our more recent PNAC-driven imperial adventures for oil, for example, I would have declined.

    Would that have made me disloyal?

  309. Majella April 29, 2020 at 3:13 am #

    What’s bullshit?

    He is. While he parodies President Chlorox, he himself admits that Vit D is his own ‘miracle cure’. It’s his opinion, but that’s all it is. Why have you locked into this particular Internet Medical Guru? Does he have ANY others agreeing with him? Dr Oz? Dr Phil? No. Not even those crass charlatans.

  310. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 3:16 am #

    I am glad you all saw the MM movie.

    Just a comment. I think the reaction that Jeff Gibbs was talking to was to stop the over indulgences that we have become accustomed to. Stop the over driving, control the use of petroleum, How? Easy! Stop giving it away and burning it. Let the price float to what it is really worth, its weight in gold. Stay home, develop families, raise good kids, invest time in your kids, support local education, heck support local everything, stop sucking into hight techs con game of changing cell phones, PCs every two years, we are burning up our rare earths, ditto electric cars. Quit believing the myths of the Left with alternate energy. Invest in more oil, more gas, More wind, more solar, better storage and stop the biomass madness of stripping our forests. We need it all.

    The afore mentioned life changes are what we are doing right now, due to the virus. Hmmm! Maybe this is practice for the future.

    MM, the GND is a farce, a political cacophony of BS. We better stop wasting now and treat each barrel of oil and rare earths we are producing like it is gold. And fellow Americans, we better produce our own. China is a dead end.

  311. Nightowl April 29, 2020 at 3:35 am #

    “Well at that time the major reasons people voted for him was the wall, to stop immigration, and to bring jobs back home.”

    ———————————————————————-

    He never said he was going to “stop immigration.” He proposed a moratorium on immigrants from some countries.

    And he has done well on the other two issues.

  312. Nightowl April 29, 2020 at 3:37 am #

    Every time Trump says something like…”We’re doing a great job”….a reporter should ask him if he is being sarcastic.

    ————————————————————————-

    Get him, Jello.

    He tried to get you to drink Chlorox, but you outwitted him!

  313. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 4:07 am #

    And he has done well on the other two issues.

    Yep – a real All-American on both those! Hahaha! I like sarcasm.

  314. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 4:07 am #

    She is very brave not to drink Chlorox. She also refused Lysol. No trumped up chemical brews for this gal.

  315. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 4:16 am #

    I can imagine that writing , ” mother – in – law ” would have taken less than two minutes , and then copy – pasting would have taken less than a minute, but you couldn’t be fucking bothered to do so.

    I think you’re being a bit precious. In my neck of the woods SIL, BIL, MIL, FIL, are reasonably well-known abbreviations for these terms. No need to have your head explode, even if you were unfamiliar with them. Calm down – it’s just a chatroom.

  316. Majella April 29, 2020 at 5:41 am #

    Hey, Cargill

    I just watched an ABC Media Matters. It appears that Aussie FOX is as rabid & demented as the US version. The ‘meat’ starts 2 minutes in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vzgdr9O9fY

  317. Majella April 29, 2020 at 6:11 am #

    So, which Trumpista hereabouts can explain why Pence did the ‘naked mouth’ scene today? (Had he had a shot of Chlorox earlier in the day?)

  318. Majella April 29, 2020 at 6:24 am #

    This is interesting – there’s a ‘range’ of cults within the MAGA cult.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9sbONWSMAA

  319. Nightowl April 29, 2020 at 7:25 am #

    “… he is only there because the Russians got him over the line. This is where you could look for the real treason.”
    –Cargill
    ————————————————————–

    TWUUUMP IS A WUSSSIAN AGENT!

  320. akmofo April 29, 2020 at 8:31 am #

    JAZ,

    I completely agree. But you can’t force this on people. People need to come to this realization on their own, as you and I have. It starts by tuning off the MSM and understanding the gov mafia for what it is, an agent of corporate fascism/communism, theft and feudalism.

  321. GreenAlba April 29, 2020 at 9:01 am #

    So, Boris and Carrie have had a baby boy. Another Johnson sprog. The Johnson sprog statistics are as unreliable as the Covid ones – even Boris has lost count. It’s a boy. They could call him CO(lin) VI(ctor) D(avid), in honour of the times.

  322. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    You’re right Nightowl. He didn’t promise a complete immigration moratorium. We had only hoped he would do so based on the fact that he verbalized the strongest immigration position heard of in politics to that point. Too bad he didn’t. It would have been/would be popular.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/28/wapo-poll-65-percent-of-americans-want-all-immigration-to-u-s-halted/

  323. Pucker April 29, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    Who was the member of the British Royal Family who once remarked that he wished that after he died that he’d be reincarnated as a nasty virus to wipe out humanity? Prince Philip?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OJVXwzF93Qc

  324. GreenAlba April 29, 2020 at 10:51 am #

    JohnAZ

    You suggested that Michael Moore’s new documentary will ‘burst my bubble’. Given that my views on the matter are extremely close to yours (except that I actually have given up the car – some 20 years ago – not being a techno-fix kinda person, already avoid flying, and already consume much less than your average Yank, I am confused as to exactly which bubble it is that I live in which is going to be burst.

    I will obviously watch the film, but I don’t expect to hear much that I haven’t heard already or that I’m going to be shocked by. I’ve already read about some of the misinformation and one-sided grandstanding in it, but we are talking about Michael Moore and not David Attenborough. And I’ve already read some actually sane-looking reviews, which will differ from the unthinking glee it’s engendering among those of the thinking-lite school.

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-04-27/review-planet-of-the-humans/

    As a ‘for instance’.

    In the meantime, people seem to be confusing concepts, as ever (nothing new under the sun).

    People have traffic accidents, as a tiny example. In your country a bunch of people make a lot of money from someone whose bones have been shattered and whose internal organs are in grave danger of failing. That includes your *cough* (volodya’s not here, someone’s gotta do it) insane healthcare sector, your parasitic health insurance industry, and your equally parasitic collection of ambulance-chasing lawyers.

    I could conclude that, because of all this rather dodgy version of problem solving there wasn’t actually a genuine problem needing to be solved. This would put me in a similar category to those who will be the most gleeful about this film. But the fact remains that the bones are still shattered and the internal organs are still failing. And there’s a better way of dealing with that which doesn’t involve simply telling saying ‘c’mon, pull yourself together mate and we’ll take you back to the party’.

  325. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 11:24 am #

    GA

    The bubble is the baloney sandwich the Left has presented about alternative energy taking over for fossil fuels with no change to our lifestyles. The reviews that are coming, the attacks are from the same Left. As usual, personal attacks, name calling against MM for puncturing their sacred cows.

    Being shocked it perhaps a wrong word choice. I am a real advocate of JHKs resource depletion warnings. I also am an advocate of the immense health concerns of pollution. One of the most eye opening parts of the movie is what is required to build a solar farm. We do not ever see what desecration of the earth is done for high tech purposes.

    GA, there is no health care system here. Just a bunch of corporations with big capital bank accounts able to bail out hospitals first and now private practices. Of course, insurance is sitting in the middle of the cash flow street to grease the skids. As you know, I have advocated for a form of single payer system, using private inclusion as part of it, like advantage plans do now. The corporations for health care are getting fewer and fewer eliminating competition. HC is becoming a public service as a consequence, needing some source of regulation. Otherwise, it will self destruct, and the gubment will have to bail them out. Sorta like GM, Chrysler and the banks.

  326. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 11:27 am #

    Akmofo

    I totally agree. Like the virus, resource depletion problems will be totally out of government control.

  327. Pucker April 29, 2020 at 11:33 am #

    Human population growth is probably the single most serious long-term threat to survival. We’re in for a major disaster if it isn’t curbed… We have no option. If it isn’t controlled voluntarily, it will be controlled involuntarily by an increase in disease, starvation and war.” ? Philip, Duke of Edinburgh [1]

    “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” ? Philip, Duke of Edinburgh [1]

    “I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist… I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.” ? Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh[2] (in his Foreward to: If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.)

  328. GreenAlba April 29, 2020 at 11:35 am #

    “The bubble is the baloney sandwich the Left has presented about alternative energy taking over for fossil fuels with no change to our lifestyles.”

    Exactly, JohnAZ. But it’s not ‘my bubble’, it’s theirs. I’m way closer to your position than I am to AOCs (I get that she means well, but yeah…). After all I’ve said, that really should be clear by now. I’m as sick of seeing adverts showing electric cars driving Mr and Mrs Aspirational into the sunset (always up a mountain and with no other traffic, rather than on some commuter road with multiple lanes of barely-moving cars) as you are.

    Nobody ever puts on an advert with my number 10 (hybrid) bus taking dozens of people into town and keeping dozens of cars off the road (and keeping people on the high street and out of the out-of-town malls into the bargain). Not sexy. But functional.

  329. PeteAtomic April 29, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    SSL

    that is a funny story..

    I like the line about how the hippies are “forced to do manual labor” so they can eat
    LOL!

    ..uhh.. like a “job”

    ha ha

  330. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 11:39 am #

    Justin Amash is running for President as a Libertarian. There is enough disgust with both Trump and Biden that Amash could get 10% of the vote. Many Republicans have Libertarian leanings.

    The question is, where will the votes come from? I say 80% will come from Never-Trumpers and disillusioned Trump cultists who probably can’t believe after four years of Trump we still have Obamacare! The Supreme Court just upheld Obamacare in an 8-1 decision.

    Amash’s small-government, get-spending-under-control-and-government-out-of-your-life platform appeals more to Republicans than Democrats. That’s why I think 80% of his votes will be votes taken away from Trump.

    So, knocking Trump down by 8 points means Biden should win by double digits, since Biden already has a 6.3 point average national lead (Real Clear Politics) and leads in all the key swing states. (6.3 plus 8 equals a 14 point Biden lead.)

    Amash makes a Biden win a sure thing. You heard it here first. That wall will never be built. Legal immigration will increase. Obamacare will never be defeated. America will be great again!

  331. PeteAtomic April 29, 2020 at 11:43 am #

    One of the things I’ve been educated about from that Planet of the Humans doc is just how much resources it takes to create the “renewable” energy source.. the section of the doc where it outlines just what it takes to build those solar farms in CA, as one example, blew my mind. I always knew there were initial costs, but not to that extent.

    The “green energy” industry then really is just another subsidy for “old energy” really.. dressed up in a very politically acceptable manner. Pretty clever!

  332. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    GA

    Hybrids are a very legitimate in between solution, but the dependence on energy shortage is a problem as the batteries all involves lithium and other rare earths. Your idea of mass transit is needed, but the virus just put a couple of nails into that coffin.

    I get the feeling sometimes that humanity is in someone’s gun sights. Especially the West.

  333. akmofo April 29, 2020 at 11:49 am #

    Severe bloody riots raged all night in the Lebanese city of Tripoli. The Lebanese army responded to live fire, many were killed and wounded. Lebanon is bankrupt. There is no money. The northern city of Tripoli is particularly dangerous, as there is a hostile ethnic mix of Sunnis, Alawites, etc. As part of the rioting, many banks were burned down and many stores were looted.

    Lebanon like many formally “Arab” states has ceased to exist. It has no capacity to pay civil servants, and its credit rating is the same as Venezuela. Lebanon will likely join Syria Iraq Yemen Sudan Libya etc in bloody ethnic wars. The truth is coming back to the surface, as the different denominations of the different religions and ethnic sects drop their “Arab” pretense under which they were subjugated and enslaved to dictatorial regimes.

  334. GreenAlba April 29, 2020 at 11:51 am #

    “The “green energy” industry then really is just another subsidy for “old energy” really.. dressed up in a very politically acceptable manner. Pretty clever!”

    In the meantime, though, Pete A, a large proportion of electricity in Scotland is supplied by offshore and onshore wind. And my electricity bill isn’t any higher than it would be in England, as far as I know. Sometimes it makes sense. And where it makes sense, it makes sense to develop it. But not thinking that you’ve solved the over-arching problem because you haven’t. I think that’s JohnAZ’s view as well.

  335. GreenAlba April 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

    JohnAZ

    “Hybrids are a very legitimate in between solution, but the dependence on energy shortage is a problem as the batteries all involves lithium and other rare earths. Your idea of mass transit is needed, but the virus just put a couple of nails into that coffin.”

    I agree, although the pandemic is temporary. Since the town-centre shops are shut apart from the Sainsbury’s Locals and the Tesco Metros, the only people on the bus are those who need to get to work. At the moment I’m limited to my two feet. We’re lucky, because for all the talk about how people would hate to live in a city, I’ve got small shops round the corner, and even small supermarkets without car parks because they’re for walking to. Which doesn’t solve the larger supply problem in the longer run, but in pandemic times it’s working reasonably, even if tinned tomatoes might soon become an alternative currency!

    “I get the feeling sometimes that humanity is in someone’s gun sights. Especially the West.”

    I get the feeling that humanity is shooting itself in the foot. If we continue with our destruction of biodiversity and with our obsession with meat (mea culpa also), we will only get more pandemics. It’s been predicted for a long time. It’s not an accident that the regular flu pandemics are avian and swine flu – two of the creatures most intensively farmed on the planet. A lot of what happens to us is entirely in our own hands.

  336. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

    SSL, those hippies finding themselves trapped in an Animal Farm type situation in Panama is pretty funny. Reminds one of the Fyre Festival in the Bahamas a few years ago. Right now I’m rereading Tim Tzoulaidis ‘The Forsaken’, about the 400,000 or so Americans who emigrated to the Soviet Union 1925-1936, to be part of the Workers Paradise. It’s a sad story. Only 3 made it back, and that was decades later. The rest were beaten to death in the Lubyanka, shot in their tens of thousands in execution pits around Moscow, Leningrad, Minsk, frozen in the gulag 100 miles north of the arctic circle. Turns out the whole thing was a scheme to steal American passports so they could be used to get Soviet agents back into the US and western Europe. I think the most disturbing part of the book is when the author describes committed American communists for whom the Soviet Union was a sort of Holy Land, and when they arrived at Murmansk from NYC, they threw their passports over the side of the ship to show their loyalty to the Soviet Union; those are the ones who were greeted on the pier by NKVD troops, and unable to produce a passport were brought to nearby sheds and shot straightaway. How surprised they must have been.

    Brh

  337. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

    I get the feeling sometimes that humanity is in someone’s gun sights. Especially the West. –JohnAZ

    Well, according to the dark-skinned middle eastern prophet named Jesus, you reap what you sow. The white West has sown colonialism, imperialism, theft, war, slavery, environmental destruction on a colossal scale, and mass genocides in its campaigns of “pacification” and “civilization”

    Mohandas Gandhi was once asked: “What do you think of Western civilization?” “I think it would be a good idea,” he replied.

    Up to now the white West has behaved in a most barbarous, savage, and uncivilized manner: invading, murdering, raping, and stealing without restraint.

    So, yes, I think you are right about the West being in someone’s gun sights, JohnAZ. The West has earned it through its centuries of bad behavior. Susan Sontag got it right:

    If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far…. The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.

  338. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

    Now that’s some real Marxism, Comrade Cargill, not your warmed over type.

  339. benr April 29, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

    And there it is a self loathing POS if ever I saw one.
    It’s not your fault wpa_ccc you have been brainwashed to think as you do.
    Some day you might realize that all human history is full of the examples you pretend only people in the west present.

    Islam is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million Hindus, Muslims of other sects, Christians and Buddhists in India alone.

    African Tribes murdered raped and butchered there way across the entire african continent.

    Mongol hordes murdered, raped, enslaved there way across huge chunks of Asia.

    American Indians did all the above to include in some cases eating each other.

    Pacific region Islanders also did all the above.

    Simply put pull your head out of your ass and breath already.
    Your leftist turdism is getting in the way of reality.

  340. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

    Pete and Brh, I’m glad y’all liked that article! I too was chuckling. And did you hear the guy who was running the show who was telling everyone not to steal food because it was his effing manor? Who says “manor” nowadays. Elitist in the brain apparently means you surely will not do well in a commune situation lol.

  341. SoftStarLight April 29, 2020 at 12:28 pm #

    Benr, wpa_ccc (Janet) clearly expresses here the genuine desire of the Communists Leftists. They believe in racism and also genocide and they are advocating genocide. They have genocided many people in the past. This simply proves just like Cargill showed yesterday that the left is morally bankrupt and has no authority at all to talk about morals, etc. There is no compromising or dealing with people like this. There will be no middle ground and they will never wake up. This is their dedication and their fire.

  342. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

    shot in their tens of thousands in execution pits around Moscow –brh

    White Russians killing Americans. White on white violence is a terrible thing. Black lives matter and white lives matter. Jewish lives matter. Native American lives matter.

    But it is whites who have burned women at the stake. Whites who tortured people in the Inquisition. It was whites who developed an international slave trade, forcing Blacks to travel in slave ships from West Africa to the West Indies. It was whites who systematically murdered millions of Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, homosexuals, Native Americans.

    No other race had slave ships in an international slave trade that enslaved millions for economic profit (between 1630 and 1807, Britain’s slave merchants made a profit of about £12 million on the purchase and sale of African people. Slaves produced about 75 per cent of exports of raw goods from the new colonies.)

    No other race had concentration camps with gas chambers that systematically murdered millions based on a belief in racial superiority. Nazi Germany to designate human beings whose lives were unimportant, or those who should be killed outright: Lebensunwertes Leben, or “life unworthy of life”. The phrase was applied to the mentally impaired and later to the “racially inferior,” or “sexually deviant,” as well as to “enemies of the state” both internal and external. From very early in the war, part of white Nazi policy was to murder civilians en masse.

    No other race has ever used atomic weapons against military or civilian populations though others possess those weapons. Only whites have dropped atomic weapons on cities full of civilians.

    So, yeah, brh, you are providing more evidence of the depravity of whites.

  343. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

    If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization.

    No-one I’ve had time for has ever thought America was the culmination of Western white civilisation – indeed far from it. Notwithstanding its veneer of wealth and material success, it is a rough, coarse, barbarous place. It lacks class and style.

    The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world.

    And none of these achievements are American.

    I agree to a large extent with benr here … the white dudes have not had a monopoly on truly gross behaviour, although we did take up most of the colonialism franchises – because we were more technologically ahead, especially in ship-building.

  344. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

    Asoka has been saying the same thing for about 10 years. He seems to have read one book — by Joan Dideon — which he refers to about every 6 months.

    Brh

  345. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

    wpa: Arabs were huge international slavers since Islam was pro-Slavery and an International religion. And even after they lost their dominance to the Turks in the West, they kept at it, providing slaves to the Turks. In the East, most of the taken slaves were Hindus.

    Jews were huge slavers, even before the modern day West and the trans-Atlantic trade. They were often the slavers for the Old Romans as well.

    So you’re wrong. Not a little bit wrong, completely wrong. And Susan Sontag was a monster, but far from the only one.

    Carguile; We did fall back into slavery, which the ethos of Christianity had freed us from. But we have a pretty good track record on cannibalism. Many of the darker skinned could never stop eating each other, including our own American Indians (not Native Americans – Whites are the Native Americans).

  346. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

    Hey, Cargill

    I just watched an ABC Media Matters. It appears that Aussie FOX is as rabid & demented as the US version. The ‘meat’ starts 2 minutes in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vzgdr9O9fY

    Not getting it Majella … that is a story about Kerry Stokes (billionaire Perth media type) avoiding two weeks of lockdown, and his own outlets suppressing the story. Is that what you mean?

    And the ABC show is called Media Watch, tather than Media Matters – which is apparently a news website that I must get around to looking at … since it gets some of the more excitable inmates here frothing at the mouth.

  347. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 1:09 pm #

    the white dudes have not had a monopoly on truly gross behaviour –Cargill

    Well, Cargill, Hindus have nuclear weapons, Muslims have nuclear weapons, Chinese have nuclear weapons, Jews have nuclear weapons, etc.

    But none of the non-white peoples who possess nuclear weapons have used them against civilians in populated cities.

    benr is wrong in reference to the 20th century. In all of recent modern history only white Americans have engaged in such a barbarous act: the use of nuclear weapons against civilian populations. Though non-whites have the technology (airplanes and atomic bombs), they have not used them in that way.

    If all humanity, if all races, were so depraved, as benr wants us to believe, why have only whites engaged in such horrendous depraved behavior of dropping atomic bombs on cities of civilians (with subsequent congenital malformations on next generation newborns of the survivors, an added horror which conventional weapons cannot accomplish)? It is not a question of access to technology.

  348. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

    Yes, I’ve looked into the Arab Slave Trade.

    Arab slavers operated in the Horn of Africa, out of Zanzibar, from the 4th century until 1890, when the British navy put and end to it. Roughly 16 centuries of slave trading, 40-50 million black Africans brought out of the jungle.

    Brh

  349. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

    Time

    Violence in India between Hindus, who make up some 80% of the population, and Muslims, the country’s largest minority, punctuate the history of the world’s largest democracy. Even under India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, who envisioned a secular nation where all India’s religions could live in harmony, sporadic religious violence broke out. (During the partition of British India into Muslim-majority Pakistan and Hindu-majority India in 1947, as many as two million people died.) But under Modi, the most powerful Hindu nationalist Prime Minister in Indian history, the violence has taken on a new, imbalanced, dimension. The Hindu nationalist alliance that Modi represents avowedly sees India as a “Hindu nation,” and as Chief Minister of Gujarat in 2002, Modi was accused of instructing police not to prevent a pogrom in which thousands of Muslims were killed. When he was elected in 2014, there was a sharp uptick in lynchings of Muslims. Since being reelected with an even bigger majority in May 2019, his government has “moved on to larger-scale, if still localized, state-sanctioned mob violence,” says Sumantra Bose, professor of international and comparative politics at the London School of Economics. “This is a natural progression, given the nature, logic and purpose of the Modi-Shah government.”

    JS: India has chosen the Path of National Socialism, backed by Religion, as has Israel. Truly the Path of Life. As for the Muslims? They are receiving their just deserts, in a word, Karma. Will the West turn against mass Indian immigration since they it is allied with Islam? Perhaps if things go further, and Muslims begin to be forced out. If they stay, they must accept their position as lower caste individuals, in a word, dhimmis. Oh how the wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow but exceedingly fine! (Cotton Mather).

    Aleister Crowley respected Yoga, but despised the downtrodden Hindus as people. He wanted to ally with Islam against them and the Christian West. But he still was a strong Patriot. I doubt he ever dreamed that they would rampage in Europe – even his beloved Oxford. I think he would have rethought things if he could have forseen how they would actually play out.

  350. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

    BRH: Thank you for that Communist tidbit. I’d never heard that atrocity before. I’ve heard about how the West gave their Russian Allies back to Stalin after they fought against Hitler to face almost certain imprisonment and death, but this atrocity against White American Traitors is an even deeper secret. The Communists clearly don’t care about individuals at all. They never mentioned it because it would hurt the Revolution.

    Thus to the extent (and it is major) that Feminism is allied with Marxism, to that extent it betrays itself since the Revolution doesn’t care about Women, either as individuals or as a category. Thus the Revolution now champions minority feminists against White feminists and Trannies against female feminists. As Sartre put it, “Marxism is not a humanism”. In fact it is an Anti-Humanism.

  351. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 1:28 pm #

    Muslims in India should be forced to pay restitution for all the destruction they have caused thru the ages there. Call it the jiyza perhaps…..

  352. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

    Anglin:

    (Note: YouTube is continually deleting this video, apparently having created a new rule that even doctors and scientists are not allowed to disagree with the media’s narrative about the coronavirus or the lockdown. If it is gone by the time you are reading this article, you can search on Google for “Dr. Erickson press conference” and try to find a reupload, or watch it on the free speech video website Bitchute.)

    Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care, a Bakersfield, California clinic which is the only private walk-in COVID-19 testing site in the city, held a press conference on April 22 to explain their conclusions about COVID-19 test results to the imbecilic plebs who believe in this idiot hoax.

    People seem to care a whole helluva lot about what “the experts” say. Well, these men, like Dr. John Ioannidis of Stanford, are most certainly experts, and they are calling this whole thing bullshit.

    What’s more, Dr. Erickson appears to be a homosexual, which means he’s in a high-risk group which also tends to be germaphobic, which actually brings more emotional weight to his arguments.

    Some key takeaways from the press conference:

    We have never quarantined the healthy, the basic concept makes no sense. We are supposed to quarantine the sick.
    We should follow the actual scientific data, rather than saying we’re “doing science” and just making up absurd claims.
    Based on actual scientific data, in the state of California, you have a 0.03% chance of dying from COVID-19.
    92% of those diagnosed with the virus recover.
    Millions of cases, small amount of death.
    Sweden and Norway, two countries that are right next to each other where one locked down and the other didn’t, did not experience vastly different results. This proves that this lockdown is not necessary.
    The lockdown is increasing the rate of child molestation and spousal abuse. Also, anxiety, depression, suicide. We’re having an economic collapse. The medical industry is going to be hit very hard economically.
    This virus is not different from the flu. There was a 0.13 chance of death from the flu in 2017. COVID-19 is lower than that. Everything about the virus is similar to the flu, if you actually look at the scientific data.
    The immune system develops by being exposed to pathogens. This weird attempt to avoid the virus is harming the natural development of the immune system. It is basic microbiology, immunology and common sense that you need exposure to germs to survive.
    Disease is going to spike when people reenter society.
    The lockdown doesn’t actually protect anyone, because they’re buying products from stores.
    It makes no sense that people are allowed to go to the grocery and not church. The virus is still being transferred widely, as the data demonstrates.
    These idiot plastic gloves people are wearing are helping the virus spread.
    It’s just the flu, bro.
    A bunch of deaths are being attributed to the virus that are not caused by the virus.
    Doctors are being pressured to add “Covid” to death reports.
    We’re going to have minimal hospital staff and significant disease whenever the lockdown ends.
    Dr. Erickson has talked to the majority of health officials in the state, and all agree the lockdown should be lifted.
    How does it make sense you can go shopping in a big corporate store and all small businesses are closed? This is not science in any way whatsoever.
    This should be treated like the flu. People with symptoms and people with high risk should stay home, everyone else should be allowed to live their lives normally.
    Going outside is healthy.
    No one at Home Depot is wearing a mask and you can go there. But you can’t go to the park and walk around alone.
    With the economy collapsed, homelessness is going to shoot up and millions of people’s lives are going to be ruined. We have to be more responsible.
    This is just like the flu.
    The flu has been killing people for 100 years.
    We’re not afraid of the flu because we’re familiar with it.
    We should be following DATA not these models.
    They agree with the initial response, because the nature of the virus wasn’t known. But now we know.
    90% of people who die die with co-morbidity (other contributing factors).
    The news has a skewed view because they are still working and getting paid.
    The government doesn’t have a right to decide what is “safe.” When they say “safe,” they mean “control.”
    This is all going to end in violence.
    These are the people who are dealing with the actual data in a clinical setting, and they are saying the same exact thing I’ve been saying for six weeks.

    At this point, I’m really just proving my point and informing people of what the truth of this matter is, and how completely bamboozled we’ve been by this lunatic media hoax. Because unlike these gentlemen, I do not believe that opening up now is going to solve anything. It will be better for the mental and physical health of the people, of course, and may prevent the kind of health crisis they are talking about. But it certainly is not going to fix the economy.

    That ship has already sailed.

    JS: When the media reports breathlessly about the millions who have been infected, you have to use your intelligence rather than going along with the emotion they’re trying to generate. The simple meaning of the report is that the Covid isn’t very dangerous for the vast majority of people. The lockdown simply wasn’t warranted.

  353. Majella April 29, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

    SSL
    ‘ Who says “manor” nowadays.’

    ITS A COMMON TERMIN London, esp. cockney East Lodon, forone’s neighbour.

  354. Majella April 29, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

    Jeez – edit before submitting!

  355. Majella April 29, 2020 at 1:58 pm #

    It’s a common term in London, esp cockney East London, for one’s neighbourhood.

  356. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

    Janos

    Another book published a few years ago ‘Dupes’ by historian Paul Kengor, covers similar ground. And you are right about rich western capitalists backing bolsheviks in the Soviet Union. Henry Ford built an auto plant in Russia (every technician sent to work from Detroit was murdered or disappeared) A major backer of Lenin and Stalin was JPMorgan partner Corliss Lamont, grandfather of our Ct Governor. John Dewey, father of modern American Education, was a frequent visitor to Moscow. What was really reprehensible tho was the wealthiest woman in America at the time, Marjorie Marriweather Post, wife of US Ambassador Joseph Davies — a big Stalin apologist and ass kisser — travelling Russia in a Packard limo during the height of the terror buying up priceless Russian antiques and art stolen from repressed Russian estates, and from churches and monasteries dynamited during various atheist campaigns, for pennies on the dollar. Some of the pieces still had blood on them from their rightful former owners. The loot was brought back to DC and is displayed in a museum there somewhere.

    Brh

  357. Majella April 29, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

    Cargill

    Right Media Watch, not Matters.

    The first story is the priveleged Oakes, but from minute 2 or so on, it addresses the US issues as portrayed on Fox Australia – I found it interesting that it’s the same talking points, on a very similar timeline, as in Fox USA, was all. Nemmind.

  358. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

    Right now I’m rereading … about the 400,000 or so [murdered] Americans –brh

    Violence is repugnant. Civilized people do not condone it. But some read not just to inform about white on white violence, but delight in it. Rereading to immerse oneself in it. Violence as porn.

  359. thwack April 29, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

    wpa_ccc
    April 29, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

    So, yeah, brh, you are providing more evidence of the depravity of whites.

    *****************

    May I chime in?

    Thank you

    *chime*

    I’ll take my chances with white depravity; because at least they have some great and vast things to show for it?

    Just sayin

  360. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

    I’ll take my chances with white depravity; because at least they have some great and vast things to show for it? –thwack

    Great question! Thanks for the question mark. What have they got to show for it? In America, whites commit the majority of crimes. What’s even more troubling is that they are also responsible for a vast majority of violent crimes. Whites lead all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime.

    It is a great conundrum why more attention is not paid to white on white violence. White lives matter. According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. If only whites were civilized enough to understand ahimsa as Mohandas Gandhi did. Instead, white bullies believe might makes right.

  361. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

    But none of the non-white peoples who possess nuclear weapons have used them against civilians in populated cities.

    benr is wrong in reference to the 20th century. In all of recent modern history only white Americans have engaged in such a barbarous act: the use of nuclear weapons against civilian populations. Though non-whites have the technology (airplanes and atomic bombs), they have not used them in that way.</i///.

    However you must consider the circumstances under which the Big One was dropped. The US was almost single-handedly fighting the Pacific War against the crazed Japanese … Australia was practically on its knees and they saved us.

    You might have noticed that when there's a real war, with heavy lifting required, people see America (rightly or wrongly) as the world's policeman … nobody calls Sweden.

    Having said that, Hiroshima-Nagasaki were disgusting … I've never really believed the BS that those bombs actually saved a net number of lives (US+Japanese) – I think the raving lunatics (aka the US Generals) really wanted to see what one of them babies could do – and pressured Truman into it.

  362. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

    Attn Malthus, SSL

    A masterpiece of predictive programming and/or magical ritual by the Globalist Occult Elite. The whole Corona Terror is depicted in the Olympic opening ritual in 2012.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5krD8zJ6-bY&feature=youtu.be

    Note how the dancing nurses and doctors cheer on the Corona Viruses. .

  363. malthuss April 29, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

    Janos, I saw that in a you tube. Jeff Berwicks, if I recall.

    BRH–thanks for that info on ‘going to Stalins Russia to be a comrade’–I read in Bircher lit that FDR [or whoever] gave Stalin [or whoever] plates to print US $ or bonds. Do you know about that?

    I read Kaddafi had plates to counterfeit great quality US $, counterfeits.
    No surprise, there was a Black man in California who made great
    counterfeits from Office depot equipment. If he could do that, what couls a government do?

    troy was using the same $100 to make many copies [1000s of copies].

    https://www.businessknowhow.com/security/counterfeit.htm

  364. malthuss April 29, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

    Janos, I did check..do listen to the last 10 or so of Berwicks talks.

  365. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

    Same old Soak. Whites are still a small majority (60%) but by far the largest group. But at 13%, Blacks give them a run for their money, committing about half of the violent crimes.

  366. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 3:43 pm #

    The first story is the privileged [Stokes], but from minute 2 or so on, it addresses the US issues as portrayed on Fox Australia – I found it interesting that it’s the same talking points, on a very similar timeline, as in Fox USA, was all. Nemmind.

    Not too surprising … Sky News Australia is owned by Rupert Murdoch, just like Fox News in the US.But Sky News is far more reasonable than Fox … there simply isn’t the market here for full-on right-wing nuttery 24/7 … plus we’re a sharper and more sceptical lot, not like the rubes and hayseeds across the Big Pond.

    No-one would use “manor” or “borough” for neighbourhood in Oz, but if you did, most people would know what you meant. “Area” would cover most cases.

  367. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 3:46 pm #

    I do wish Josef Mengele would quit quoting great unreadable slabs of garbage from anglin and all the other racists and conspiracy theory nutjobs. Most of it is lies – some hilarious, some vicious.

    Give it a rest … it just clogs the forum … post a link if you must. I’m sure no-one reads it anyway.

  368. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

    A masterpiece of predictive programming and/or magical ritual by the Globalist Occult Elite. The whole Corona Terror is depicted in the Olympic opening ritual in 2012.

    I just love it … the conspiracy paranoia from Josef Mengele just gets crazier and weirder every day! Like any drug addict … need to keep increasing the dose to get the same buzz. LOL!

  369. Q. Shtik April 29, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

    Just finished watching ‘Planet of the Humans’ and feel vindicated in calling for an 87% die-off spread over 100 years. That would bring earth’s population down to one billion by 2120. Hopefully that number could be sustained.

    The question is: how to get people to agree to this.

  370. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

    Trump;s poll numbers are dropping nationally, and in key states. His handling of the pandemic and his media briefings are both disasters.

    A Republican Party that bet the whole ranch on “a very stable genius” might find the chickens coming home to roost.

    Roll on 3 November!

  371. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 4:38 pm #

    Blacks give them a run for their money, committing about half of the violent crimes.

    Janos, between 1982 and February 2020, 72 out of 118 mass shootings were initiated by white shooters.

    19 of the mass shootings were by Blacks, or 16%

    72 of the mass shootings were by whites, or 61%

    Blacks are 16% of the population, 16% of shootings.

    Whites are 61% of the population, 61% of shootings.

    Each is giving a run for their money, equally. Blacks, after years of Jim Crow and slavery and systemic racism… What is the white excuse for violence? Feelings hurt due to loss of white privilege?

    The Las Vegas strip massacre in 2017 had the highest number of victims between 1982 and 2019, with 58 people killed, and over 500 injured. The most violent attack was by a white guy. Probably felt misunderstood and needed to try to kill over 500 people. Violence-prone white depravity.

  372. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

    Just finished watching ‘Planet of the Humans’ and feel vindicated in calling for an 87% die-off spread over 100 years. That would bring earth’s population down to one billion by 2120. Hopefully that number could be sustained.

    You’re trying to spread the blame and responsibility way too far, comrade. Americans consume 100-1000 times more than most of the world’s peoples.

    If all Americans died out over 50 years, the world would be a happier and healthier place 🙂

  373. Q. Shtik April 29, 2020 at 4:46 pm #

    Last fall my wife and I booked a Viking River Cruise from Prague to Berlin which was to have run from May 9th through May 19th but the plan was upset by the CoronaVirus.

    I had prepaid $12.9K. Once Viking officially cancelled this trip (and virtually all others) my concern became ‘will I be able to recover this money?’ Well, to Viking’s credit, as of today I have ALL of my money back.

  374. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 4:48 pm #

    The most violent attack was by a white guy. Probably felt misunderstood and needed to try to kill over 500 people. Violence-prone white depravity.

    We should remind ourselves that the Second Amendment is only there to give white owners the wherewithal to shoot rioting slaves. It is the quintessential “right to be white” amendment.

  375. malthuss April 29, 2020 at 4:48 pm #

    Heckler, Janos, etc

    Subject: Kate Spade,
    adrenochrome –Google’s GPU is called Adreno, and their browser is called Chrome.

    kate spade mentioned at 5 minutes.

    The blood drinking and what Molested Caulkin posts are really sick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDYvHhgayc

  376. teddyc April 29, 2020 at 5:10 pm #

    It was deemed fine to drive around in your car, but god forbid you sat an a park bench, or were alone outdoors in the wrong place, that is strictly forbidden. Crazy car cult culture.

  377. stelmosfire April 29, 2020 at 5:18 pm #

    Cargill says, “Give it a rest … it just clogs the forum.”

    Spoken like a true blog hog, with over 75 comments out of 403 within 2 days. Over 18% of comments.

  378. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 5:21 pm #

    Bill Gates: If we do a good job with these vaccines, we could reduce the world’s population by ten or fifteen percent.

  379. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 5:25 pm #

    Carguile: The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. To try to repeal it means War.

    You are a true Slave, enraged that others are free.

  380. wwg1wga April 29, 2020 at 5:27 pm #

    In the vast continuum…..
    http://www.got-truth.com/docs/In%20the%20vast%20continuum.pdf

  381. wpa_ccc April 29, 2020 at 5:28 pm #

    If all Americans died out over 50 years, the world would be a happier and healthier place –cargill

    The USA population grew 0.60% in 2019; the lowest rate the U.S. has had in a century, so they are trying to become extinct.

    The USA is 4.24% of the world population… with 27% of Covid cases.

    The rest of the world listened in January and acted responsibly using WHO diagnostic testing kits. Trump told us he had it totally under control, it would go to zero, magically disappear with warmer weather in April… all lies… while the virus spread and thousands of Americans died needlessly.

    Now Trump is endangering his reelection by opening too soon. He is risking another wave of deaths by opening too soon… and further subsequent economic collapse.

    Already Trump’s economy and unemployment is at Great Depression levels. Trump has trashed the economy. He tries to blame the media, the deep state, the Democrats, the WHO, the Chinese, the experts, etc. He wants to convince us he is a victim and has no responsibility. He just wants to be center stage with the focus on him.

    The only thing keeping him alive politically is Nancy Pelosi. She is pushing for PPP, PPE, and economic stimulus for individuals and small businesses. She loves America.

  382. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

    Spoken like a true blog hog, with over 75 comments out of 403 within 2 days. Over 18% of comments.

    But they’re short & sweet, and full of good cheer 🙂 I’d like to see Josef Mengele’s word count …

  383. benr April 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

    Ah the rampant stupidity of leftist idiots.

    Hey idiots if America ceased to exist today you would all be Chinese slaves who would then step into the power vacuum and really suck up the worlds resources.
    That will still happen in the next 100 years as Chinese become accustomed to opulence, air conditioning, cars and such.
    Having dealt with some of their elite children I can attest to just how utterly spoiled and insipid their Nouveau riche off spring have become in just thirty short years.

    Africa and Jamaica is in for a huge surprise when the Chinese decide its time for pay back for all those nice new roads and infrastructure.

    You should post less and learn more.

  384. wwg1wga April 29, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

    Nancy Pelosi’s love for America is expressed in the number of homeless in her shitbox city of San Francisco within her shithole state of California. Her vast $120 million dollar personal fortune will not preclude her from being served her just reward.

    http://www.got-truth.com/docs/In%20the%20vast%20continuum.pdf

  385. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

    Carguile: The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. To try to repeal it means War.

    I know what the Bill of Rights is … that’s where the Amendments are (doh!). I I didn’t say it must be repealed (but it would be a good idea) – just for it to be recognised its origins.

    And without repealing it, a wide range of too-powerful models can be banned, along with strict licensing and background checks. But you have a Republican Party paid for by the NRA (just a front for the dealers in death).

    In fact the whole GOP is just a crazed death cult.

  386. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 6:02 pm #

    You should post less and learn more.

    All rather pompous, but we’ve come to expect that.

    Other than your working with Chinese rich-kids, there is nothing in your post that I didn’t know, or probably most knew.

  387. tucsonspur April 29, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

    “Planet of the Humans” has a good message overall, but there isn’t really much new there either, except for the probably not well known involvement of big business and billionaires in the Green and renewable movement. Capitalists wanting to make money while trying to do good is not a bad thing in itself, if a lot of ‘good’ is actually accomplished while making that money.

    At the end, Moore talks about the need for awareness. Well, awareness may be necessary but it is most definitely not sufficient. Haven’t we been keenly aware of all these environmental issues for decades now? Population and consumption are the pressing and core problems, with no end of their continuing growth or a solution to our dilemma in sight.

    So Moore stays relevant and involved by being somewhat of a contrarian, and is most likely doing very well on EROEI.

    I’ve already coined Dinocars, Triceratrucks, and Pteroplanes previously. It’s time for another cute coinage, and that coinage is
    ‘Doomans’, which is what we are. Nothing really changes until the “Great Conundrum” stops being one and total collapse becomes its solution.

    ‘Doomans’, by TS. Remember, you heard it here first on CFN.

  388. Q. Shtik April 29, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

    If all Americans died out over 50 years, the world would be a happier and healthier place ? – Cargill, 4/29 at 4:42 pm

    ===========

    Thanks for including a smiley face at the end of your sentence. I feel so much better.

  389. benr April 29, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

    Rotfl you calling anyone pompous reeks of hypocrisy!
    You have the most distorted view of your own importance I think I have ever seen.
    Take your own advice post less think more at least Janos has something sort of new to say and adds to conversation.

  390. benr April 29, 2020 at 6:34 pm #

    @q

    Yes Q you have seen the heights of wonderous stupidity in that one bumbling post from cartroll.
    Egads what an insipid jackass.

  391. Cargill April 29, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

    … at least Janos has something sort of new to say and adds to conversation.

    If you believe virulent racism, rampant sexism, wild conspiracies, great slabs from fruit-loops,and leaping on the “elite cabal” as the cause of all evil “add” to the conversation, then … well … I can only feel pity.

  392. benr April 29, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

    Nancy Pelosi loves america-wpaConivingCommunistContrarian

    Got to love it when someone says something this partisan and stupid.
    Nancy loves fucking over America and getting rich on military contracts while pretending she is not doing any of that.
    Feel free to actually learn something about this weasel and get back to us with a version approaching reality.

    The echo chamber of little horrors you live in assoka must be a marvel of absolute mind fucked cognitive dissonances.
    Every post you makes runs 180 degrees out of phase with reality and common sense.

  393. benr April 29, 2020 at 6:45 pm #

    If you believe virulent racism, rampant sexism, wild conspiracies, great slabs from fruit-loops,and leaping on the “elite cabal” as the cause of all evil “add” to the conversation, then … well … I can only feel pity.

    I don’t believe he is a virulent racists.
    Sexist comes with his advanced age.
    Conspiracy theories tend to actually wind up being true to some degree.
    There is an elite cabal who do you think meets at what has been named buildaberg conventions?

    As far as your pity goes what can I say to someone who has shown themselves to be the holder of knowledge?
    I think Ronnie summed it up best.
    President Ronald Reagan once observed: “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

  394. tucsonspur April 29, 2020 at 6:56 pm #

    ‘Scotty Bowers’ book is utterly disgraceful and immoral, of interest only to the idle and the salacious, and I have thoroughly enjoyed reading it.’

    Scotty Bowers’ has a book, “Full Service”. Saw the documentary on HBO. Had one of his first sexual romps with Walter Pidgeon, out of the Richfield station in LA, I believe, went to Pidgeon’s house and pool. Said that Charles Laughton was an avid c—sucker. Cary Grant balling with Randolph Scott, procured about 50 women for Katherine Hepburn over several decades, on and on and on.

    ‘Now the subject of the hit documentary Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood, praised by Vanity Fair as “full of revelations” and Entertainment Weekly as “deliciously salacious,” Full Service is the remarkable true story of Scotty Bowers, the “gentleman hustler,” during the heyday of classic Hollywood.

    Newly discharged from the Marines after World War II, Bowers arrived in Hollywood in 1946. Young, charismatic, and strikingly handsome, he quickly caught the eye of many of the town’s stars and starlets. He began sleeping with some himself, and connecting others with his coterie of young, attractive, and sexually free-spirited friends. His own lovers included Edith Piaf, Spencer Tracy, Vivien Leigh, Cary Grant, and the abdicated King of England Edward VIII, and he arranged tricks or otherwise crossed paths with Tennessee Williams, Charles Laughton, Vincent Price, Katharine Hepburn, Rita Hayworth, Errol Flynn, Gloria Swanson, Noël Coward, Mae West, James Dean, Rock Hudson and J. Edgar Hoover, to name but a few.

    Full Service is not only a fascinating chronicle of Hollywood’s sexual underground, but also exposes the hypocrisy of the major studios, who used actors to propagate a myth of a conformist, sexually innocent America knowing full well that their stars’ personal lives differed dramatically from this family-friendly mold. As revelation-filled as Hollywood Babylon, Full Service provides a lost chapter in the history of the sexual revolution and is a testament to a man who provided sex, support, and affection to countless people.’

  395. gustafson.robert.22 April 29, 2020 at 7:11 pm #

    I felt like the overpopulation material in planet of the humans was new in sense of being attached to a mainstream name like michael moore in the context of energy/environmental issues. Felt like this broke some ground, and maybe was the thing that ruffled feathers the most actually, based on my follow of twitter reactions today.

  396. malthuss April 29, 2020 at 7:12 pm #

    Tucson Spur,

    this, this,

    The blood drinking and what Molested Caulkin posts are really sick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDYvHhgayc

  397. Majella April 29, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

    From an Anglin post, provided by the Master in CT, Skorenzy:

    Just one of the claims of Youtube banned doctors:

    “Sweden and Norway, two countries that are right next to each other where one locked down and the other didn’t, did not experience vastly different results. This proves that this lockdown is not necessary.

    Palpably untrue:

    “As of April 28, 2,274 people had died from the coronavirus in Sweden, making its per capita death rate nearly six times that of Norway and Finland.”

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/photos-norway-sweden-different-coronavirus-responses-fatality-rates-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

    THIS is why the bullshit artists are being shut down. They offer nothing of value while costing much in terms of the destruction of social cohesion and discord.

  398. tucsonspur April 29, 2020 at 7:51 pm #

    Thanks for the links, Malth. Jeez, it’s creepy. Scotty died at 96 last year. I guess a lot of sex, of whatever kind, and longevity can be related. He went to Chicago at one point and said he had sex with about 20-30 priests, I think it was. On the first day there, priest came out to welcome the family and the two were rollicking and romping that very night.

  399. gustafson.robert.22 April 29, 2020 at 7:51 pm #

    never would have thought 20 yrs ago the left would be this full of rabid calls for “misinformation” suppression. its a weak stance.

  400. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 7:55 pm #

    Hey Malthus some of those people are probably your neighbors.

    • malthuss April 30, 2020 at 9:55 am #

      Well, 4-10 miles away.

      People will occasionally say things like ‘Julia Roberts has a house in Venice’ or ‘Bette Midler lives in an ordinary house in West Los Angeles, near me’ and Johnny Rotten has a nice house at the beach and doesnt like the anarchy in USA today.

  401. Majella April 29, 2020 at 7:59 pm #

    Q.Shtik

    You’re just fortunate that Viking Cruises isn’t an American business, but Swiss.

  402. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 8:43 pm #

    Trump orders meat plants to stay open – deeming them essential. The Leftists were trying to shutter them. There will be shortages for the next month while they get back to normal. I think we can say that Trump has saved America from hunger and the chaos the Left so deeply desires. Trump has thus saved America.

  403. LagingRunatic April 29, 2020 at 8:44 pm #

    “If all Americans died out over 50 years, the world would be a happier and healthier place ?”

    Scratch a compassionate “anti-racist,” discover a genocidal asshole. (Thanks for saying “all Americans” and revealing your true colors, prick.) Fuck you, Cargill, and fuck your “racist” HMS Endeavour too.

    I suspect you’re just jealous of Americans because your lot got stuck with the ancient, toxic, desert shithole of a continent.

  404. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

    The dictionary definition of racism is only half the story. Discriminating against other races? Why? In favor of your own Race. That should be the emphasis, not the negative. By itself that would just be hate. Needless to say, that’s how it’s been presented.

    The classic definition doesn’t go into this and thus can’t protect us against the Left’s incessant attack. Now any pride a White person might have in their Culture, Race, or Nation is deemed as “Hate”. This standard is applied to White and only Whites – no one else.

  405. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 9:10 pm #

    Malthus: Your video thinks that Ann Coulter is a tranny. Do you agree with this? One “researcher” thinks that most Hollywood actresses are trannies.

    “Nice adam’s apple, ann”!

  406. BackRowHeckler April 29, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

    Yeah, when Cargill is challenged, his mask of geniality comes off, revealing his true self.

  407. PeteAtomic April 29, 2020 at 9:28 pm #

    Dear ole Mrs.GreenAlba 🙂

    I think one of the major points illustrated in the documentary there is that its really all a big shell game. For example, all the energy it took to build those Scottish offshore wind farms together with all the electricity those wind farms will produce over their entire life– was to the benefit of fossil fuel companies. It’s really a good documentary if you haven’t seen it. In fact they go into the dozens of mined products it takes for a wind farm to be built. I never realized it.
    There isn’t any pollution ‘saved’ by use of a wind farm. In fact, because of the decay of both wind and solar farms– and this is in the doc, too– they add to pollution in the end, because if they are abandoned, or aren’t maintained properly– which apparently isn’t uncommon for both wind or solar farms to be– then they just become junk.
    So, if these ‘green’ farms aren’t producing energy beyond their build cost & the build cost is very polluting– then who does it all exist to serve– and it comes back to the inescapable fact that fossil fuel companies are humanity’s only bet for the current hyper industrialized scheme it has going.

    I can’t remember if it were on this blog or not.. I mentioned thorium nuclear reactors.. Maybe it was John AZ I was chatting with here. I don’t remember. Could nuclear power be done better? I don’t know.

    ““The “green energy” industry then really is just another subsidy for “old energy” really.. dressed up in a very politically acceptable manner. Pretty clever!”

    In the meantime, though, Pete A, a large proportion of electricity in Scotland is supplied by offshore and onshore wind. And my electricity bill isn’t any higher than it would be in England, as far as I know. Sometimes it makes sense. And where it makes sense, it makes sense to develop it. But not thinking that you’ve solved the over-arching problem because you haven’t. I think that’s JohnAZ’s view as well.”

    • GreenAlba April 30, 2020 at 7:10 am #

      “Dear ole Mrs.GreenAlba”

      OK, so start by patronising me, PeteA – it’s all fine. 🙂

      I will be watching the film. But, unlike you, I’m also going to read reviews by actual scientists not given to bloviating like Michael.

      I’ve already read one by a person who apparently appears in the film (and not to be criticised, I gather) who says his figures regarding solar installation are inaccurate and misleading. So I’m fully expecting that a few other things might come under the category ‘inaccurate and misleading’ too, because it’s ‘dear ole Michael’ and not, for example, the late Professor David Mackay (Sustainable Energy without the Hot Air), who actually had to be accountable for his figures.

      In the meantime I have no shares in renewables and no personal stake in the game. Nor do I listen to the hype. But (and this is what actually matters) I do a lot less ‘renewing’ than I bet most people on here do. I’ve had two smart phones in my entire life – how many have you had? And the first one was a Fairphone, which I kept till it stopped working.

      My approach is to use less of everything, not to the point of hair-shirtery but as much as I can. I don’t replace things that still function.That way I can be pretty sure of not getting any figures wrong.

      First do no harm. And if you can’t do that (which we can’t) do as little as possible.

  408. PeteAtomic April 29, 2020 at 9:31 pm #

    The stuff about biomass is really interesting. I was waiting for one of the engineers/scientists to advocate using dead bodies as an energy source :).. that’s where it seemed to be going after the documentary mentioned a company using crocodile fat as a power source.

  409. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 9:44 pm #

    It was My flushed handsome face (so much like that of Thomas Morton of Merrymount) not Trump’s that so enraged the Leftist Puritan, Cargill, into throwing away his mask revealing the hideous visage underneath. Kudos to myself. See Whitman’s Song of Myself. That could be You too, dear reader.

    When I was the Wizard, Mathew Maule, and he, Judge Pyncheon, did I not say to him upon being sentenced to death, God will give you blood to drink? See “The House of the Seven Gables” by Hawthorn.

    Did I not, Quanon? Did I not?

  410. Janos Skorenzy April 29, 2020 at 9:48 pm #

    Pete wants to use dead bodies as batteries, much like the aliens used bodies in stasis in the movie The Matrix. If you’re willing to do that, you’ll be willing to kill them for their energy or organs. Mick Jagger did a movie about being an “Organ Jacker”.

    What do George and Dim want to do?

  411. malthuss April 29, 2020 at 9:54 pm #

    No, I do not agree with that. His or her opinions are theirs. I found the reposted stuff alarming.

  412. PeteAtomic April 29, 2020 at 10:17 pm #

    Lol!

    Meh no thanks on dead bodies…

    Mick Jagger was in a movie?? I think I’ll skip that one on the quarantine film list on netflix….

  413. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 10:24 pm #

    Pete Atomic

    Two items

    One of the main points is that biomass is burning forest area, huge amounts. One guy said if we burned off one years worth of biomass to power the USA, our forest cover would be gone.

    You mentioned Soylent Green, imagine the scene with the cows being rendered were human beings.

    Did you catch on about the orangutan at the end, I thought it was clever.

  414. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

    Cargill

    You are nuts. Period. The US has big competition Now in the world, especially China. You better look elsewhere for the evil sources in the world.

    And by the way, how come your government is backing up the evil Americans in their quest for the source of the virus. I guess they did not get your telegram. China is now threatening you, enjoy it.

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 2:48 am #

      Now, now. Cargill caught The Bad Orange Man trying to trick people into ingesting Lysol.

      Conspiracy King Cargill knows what’s really happening!

  415. JohnAZ April 29, 2020 at 10:32 pm #

    Pete Atomic

    In the Long Emergency, JHK proposed nuclear electricity generation with hydrogen fuel generation being done off the top.

  416. wpa_ccc April 30, 2020 at 12:08 am #

    Reagan took the deficit from 70 billion to 175 billion.

    Bush 41 took it to 300 billion.

    Clinton got it back down to zero with balanced budgets.

    Bush 43 took it from 0 to 1.2 trillion.

    Obama halved it, taking it down to 600 billion.

    Trump’s got it back to more than a trillion.

    FY2020 projected Trump deficit: $3.7 Trillion

    Morons: “Democrats cause deficits.”

    • benr April 30, 2020 at 11:56 am #

      Pretty much a post of complete lies good job.

      • Majella April 30, 2020 at 12:47 pm #

        Benr – rather than simply accusing a poster of ‘all lies’, how about you set the record straight? These numbers look accurate.

  417. wpa_ccc April 30, 2020 at 12:33 am #

    REPORTER: Experts say the US needs to do 5 million tests per day to safely reopen. Why doesn’t your testing plan go that far?

    TRUMP: “We inherited a very broken test.”

    (Inherited? LOL! The coronavirus didn’t even exist until nearly 3 years into his term as president)

    • Majella April 30, 2020 at 1:03 am #

      It’s always ‘someone else’s’ fault, especially if it’s Obama…

      • SoftStarLight April 30, 2020 at 1:45 am #

        I’m so thankful and grateful for the reply button! Obama didn’t do it.

        • Majella April 30, 2020 at 3:14 am #

          Fix the Reply button? No, that was clearlyHimself.

        • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

          Obama did nothing except break laws and attack his enemies using the power of government itself.
          Looks like the reality of this is finally starting to come opujt to the point his fan club in the progressive media are being forced to talk about it.
          General Flynn was railroaded and should be pardoned very soon.
          New documents the FBI lied about are starting to surface including the actual notes of how they were going to attack the man.

          Everyone knows the alphabet federal law enforcement agency will do almost anything to get the bust and this is proving it yet again.

    • benr April 30, 2020 at 11:58 am #

      Finish the statement dunce.

      Obama threw money at everything but prepping for this type of problem.
      Funny how you massage reality to fit your preconceived need to attack your President.
      He gives you plenty of opportunity don’t make shit up.

  418. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 1:16 am #

    Trump orders meat plants to stay open – deeming them essential. The Leftists were trying to shutter them. There will be shortages for the next month while they get back to normal. I think we can say that Trump has saved America from hunger and the chaos the Left so deeply desires. Trump has thus saved America.

    I think you make the point very nicely … the one being articulated by the rational portion of the spectrum.

    The lunar right doesn’t see it as a public health issue that requires intelligent and timely response – they see it as a partisan politicised event, in which they only thing that matters is – what is good for Trump’s re-election?

    In this twisted logic, and Democrat action or response is seen as being nothing but a get-Trump move. It is ridiculous.

    Anything negative – like a total lack of preparedness by the federal government – is written off as a lefty plot. The closing of meat processing plants because of a widespread virus outbreak isn’t a lefty plot either.

    Democrats and unionists want a safe workforce – Trump and the Republicans don’t care if low-paid workers everywhere get sick and die.

    Anyway – a few less trips to McDonalds and KFC, plus rather less crispy bacon, might actually be a good thing for a rather large number of Americans!

    • SoftStarLight April 30, 2020 at 1:40 am #

      Says the harpooned whale lol.

  419. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 1:52 am #

    Morons: “Democrats cause deficits.”

    Indeed – it is moronic.

    The Republicans when in power spend like drunken sailors, giving all their puppet masters huge tax cuts, running up massive bills buying yet more military toys, splashing corporate welfare to any sector that supports them, and undertaking pointless land wars in Asia.

    When Democrats come to power, suddenly Republicans get “fiscal responsibility” and demand that budgets be trimmed, and huge deficits be reined in. It is such an obvious ploy, but they have been successful with it.

    Stand by for a 2021 replay if the Democrats do not win the trifecta in November!

    • SoftStarLight April 30, 2020 at 2:40 am #

      This is funny. Both parties are sellouts. The real party in power is never on the ballot. That’s why voters from all sides feel jipped.

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 11:10 am #

      When GOPers finally admit this to themselves, then maybe fiscal restraint could happen.

      The Deep State, both sides, is the culprit here. As long as DC is run by people trying to maintain power for themselves, both sides, spending is the number one priority as spending is power.

  420. Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 2:46 am #

    FBI notes on Flynn unsealed. Juicy, juicy stuff.

    The Stroker and the Coupsters are toast.

    https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1255627278249349122

    🙂

    • Majella April 30, 2020 at 3:20 am #

      SOP in US law enforcement. Lie to target if it gets the admission you want. Supreme Court sanctioned tactics.

      • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 3:49 am #

        Galaxy Brain,

        It says to get Flynn to lie.

        Dat reading comprehension.

        LOL.

      • Majella April 30, 2020 at 4:48 am #

        “What is our goal? Truth/admission or get him to lie so we can prosecute?”

        Flynn chose to lie when given the opportunity. He could have told the truth (whatever that was) but didn’t.

        So, he was prosecuted and would have been either way – on the admission of his guilt or for his lie in an attempt to hide his guilt.

        Either way, toast.

        It was his conscious choice, yet you choose to believe that he’s merely an innocent victim of the nasty FBI. Diddums.

        • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 5:42 am #

          Dat reading comprehension.

          LOL:

        • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 11:02 am #

          Majella, you do not know if he lied about anything. He may have just countered a lie from the other side. When are you guys going to realize that in the world of DC, there are no lies, just opposing opinions. That unfortunately need no substantiation.

          The Left has tried to prove Trump a liar on a big scale twice. And failed miserably. So where are the liars. We are about to see two Leftist lies be exposed, the Flynn debacle, and the Tara Reade debacle. Stand by Left, the hammer is coming.

          • Majella April 30, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

            John AZ – then why did Flynn ADMIT to lying, if he didn’t? It’s a simple enough question.

        • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

          You don’t know a damn thing about this because you follow the cover up side only. They simply refuse to talk about anything that does not help the DNC and so does the Fox news side.
          You need to listen to all sides even the crazy conspiracy types to get the full picture.
          The full picture coming out is thay they railroaded Flynn trying to get at Trump period end of story.

      • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 11:06 am #

        Is this what losing regret sounds like?

        SOP in law enforcement? What a joke. From someone who was supporting the supremacy of the FBI a couple of years ago.

        The Supreme Court has nothing to do with this. Blame Barr if you want.

  421. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 2:56 am #

    FBI notes on Flynn unsealed. Juicy, juicy stuff.

    The Stroker and the Coupsters are toast.

    Nobody cares about that beltway stuff any more … it’s all irrelevant bulldust. Trump knows he’s toast in November … he stuffed it all up. If he’d half a brain he could have creamed it. But if he had at least half a brain he wouldn’t be Trump!

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 2:59 am #

      Conspiracy King Cargill!

      What happened to all that stuff you claimed?

      Reality slowly sets in.

      LOL.

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:56 am #

      Tch, tch! Your name calling, Trump hating tendencies are showing.

      Why do you never acknowledge that the Leftist bums that started all this might be at fault? Just cannot acknowledge that evil exists on your side, can you.

      • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

        Does anyone want to admit that one they were wrong and worse lied to by their side?
        Human nature is to refuse to believe until you get smashed upside the head with reality.
        The reality is the Democrat party will DO anything to win and attack the other side. They fight dirty and have media that is in complete lockstep with their agenda.

        For reference Eight more women have come out saying Biden is a pervert and sexual abuser.
        Where is the pink pussy hat ladies?
        Where is the out rage form the leftist turds?
        Crickets????
        Why because it is nothing but an other power play.
        Case and point for proof!

        Humiliated and disgraced San Diego Mayor Bob Filthy Filner was known to be a serial pervert but as long as he was in a position to kick the ball forward the DNC and their presstitute media covered for him.

        Here is the actual proof!

        https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/sd-me-filner-accusation-20171120-story.html

  422. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 3:13 am #

    One thing does make me roll my eyes … all these milestone comments about the “US Covid-19 deaths now exceed the Vietnam War”. Even my faves that inhabit CNN have said it far too often.

    My reaction – BFD. And I am consistent … comparisons with the Vietnam War is nearly as irrelevant as comparisons with annual car-crash deaths or flu deaths.

    This is a novel coronavirus and needed (and needs) to be treated on its merits – it is not a race to see what kills most Americans in any period, ffs.

    Anyway – the big challenge is now just ahead … for Democrat and Republican alike: how much can you re-open without causing a relapse? It’s a critical issue. But I think making states wait those 14 days to prove declining case numbers is very reasonable.

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      Good statement, but the goal has to be eradication or at at least the killing of in vitro viruses of any sort. Vaccines are a cop out. If a Coronavirus vaccine works as well as flu shots, year to year, we will be calling pandemics 2 years out of five. With this killer, the CDC excuse of we did not get the right strain, is not going to get it in the future.

      We have no vaccine for HIV, or SARS1. We better get better at this, we are losing the battle.

  423. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 3:15 am #

    Conspiracy King Cargill!

    What happened to all that stuff you claimed?

    Reality slowly sets in.

    LOL.

    You’re being incoherent … is it happy-hour in your time zone maybe?

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 3:47 am #

      We can do a line-by-line check on the accuracy of your Greatest Hits to date.

      I’ll supply the napkin and pen!

      LOL.

      • Majella April 30, 2020 at 4:50 am #

        Go on, then. You threaten it constantly. Otherwise, *yawn*.

  424. tucsonspur April 30, 2020 at 3:42 am #

    Barr and Durham can still save Trump, but this virus may get in the way of things. Democratic perpetraitors will hope this thing spreads to prevent hearings, court proceedings, and indictments. Republicans, by opening up, could give it to Biden. Dems, in trying to be humane and caring and shutting down longer, could give it to Trump. Go figure.

    Fall(October?) resurgence may mean mail ballots to a large degree and a really, really weary and scared public ready to blame Trump.

    It will be the Chink kink in the election, the Wuhan wallop vs. the wizardry of Barr-Durham.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/492405-ag-barr-just-signaled-that-things-are-about-to-get-ugly-for-the-russia

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 4:09 am #

      Trump is a shoo-in at this point. The release of the Durham’s work on the Russiahoax/Coup appears to have been timed for the election (rightfully so).

      If they don’t force Biden to drop out for being a drooling invalid, there is nothing they can do. From hairy legs and roaches, to kiddie fiddling on camera, to money laundering in the Ukraine, Biden is absolute toast.

      Also, don’t forget that Trump can run on his record now. In 2016, he was in a very difficult position, as he had no experience and the McMedia had not yet begun cranking out and being repeatedly exposed for Fake News on a near daily basis.

      When one peels back the layers of bullshit, that is reality.

      • Cargill April 30, 2020 at 4:22 am #

        Trump is a shoo-in at this point. The release of the Durham’s work on the Russiahoax/Coup appears to have been timed for the election (rightfully so).

        You don’t understand the changed world. Nobody gives a flying fuck about all that political stuff … neither inside the beltway or outside it.

        The only thing that matters is that Trump and his toads have totally fucked it up, and led to 25 million unemployed. He caused every one of those job losses. Is there any doubt about that?

        • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 4:26 am #

          Yes, one is a manufactured McMedia narrative for drooling invalids.

          The other is an unprecedented act against a sitting US president involving individuals at the highest levels of government, US intelligence, and foreign intelligence services.

          Good luck.

        • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:47 am #

          Certainly. Trump is guilty of not fighting back at the WHO and China in December and January. However, he only represents the US. This virus could have been controlled in China, in Wuhan, before China flew out hundreds of thousands of vectors around the the world, including Australia. It could have been controlled in Italy and Iran. Oh, no, no one wants to piss off China. Now, it is going to run its course until herd immunity is achieved.

          Cargill, get over your hate on this issue. China and the fear of China is to blame for this fiasco. I am not ready to accuse China of doing this purposely, but they are totally capable of it to gain superiority.

          Trump is one amongst many who feared China. Australia finally realized this and is no wing backing the US in trying to get an investigation of China.

          • beantownbill. April 30, 2020 at 11:58 am #

            There’s no guarantee we can ever get herd immunity.

          • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

            There is no guarantee that antibody incidence gives immunity or how long it lasts. Is a vaccine even possible?

            One of the biggest guessing games in history!

          • Majella April 30, 2020 at 6:02 pm #

            “Certainly. Trump is guilty of not fighting back at the WHO and China in December and January.

            “not fighting back’???? He was fulsome in his praise of both for weeks. However, in Trumpistan, there is no ‘history’ – whatever he said LAST is what is ‘truth’. Forget the myriad flip-flops & contradictions…

    • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:15 pm #

      I got news for you the wheels of justice grind on.

      They are now doing court hearings via Skype, zoom and some microsoft POS software as well.
      he new normal is bizzarro world.

  425. tucsonspur April 30, 2020 at 4:06 am #

    Over the entire WORLD, including the turd, we have 1/3 of the Covid cases.

    And almost 25% of the deaths–in the WORLD.

    Outrageous enough for you?

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:08 am #

      TS

      243000 Chinese people flew to this country in January. Most from Wuhan area. Two weeks delay after Milan and Tehran. Flew into five airports before Trump shut it down on the 30th. Yeah, the airports are now the epicenters, especially the New York area.

      Let us see, what we’re we doing. Trump was playing the Deep State ignoring game, pretend it is not happening and maybe it will go away, exactly the same game almost every government has played with the onset since it started. The other side was happily playing the impeachment game, hoping against hope they could convince enough never Trumpers to convict Trump. It did not work.

      What created the pandemic? Governmental inertia and reluctance to acknowledge the problem. This pandemic really shows the inability of any government to handle today’s problems. Current Oscars for socialistic failure, China, Italy, Iran, USA, Russia, Germany, France, UK, and on and on. The one, and only one global institution, WHO, failed in its job totally, trying to cover up for China. With things the way they are, it is no wonder the system failed totally. Trump needs to totally defund the WHO and help the UN set up a non political agency to expose a problem next time before it gets out of control, work with all national efforts to develop virus killers, not vaccines, if not Trump, then his successor.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 30, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

      It remains much ado about little. But the mass unemployment, homelessness, and starvation in India, etc – those are very real. The most supine nation of all – Britain – is absolutely terrified. They want to stay all locked up until the virus is eradicated. Will someone please tell them that’s impossible?

      • GreenAlba May 1, 2020 at 9:45 am #

        I’m not locked up and I’m in the death zone. Bins are being emptied, parcels and letters are being delivered. Hub schools and nurseries are open. The loss to GDP is so far comparable with that of Sweden, which you seem to admire, while forgetting that restaurants and cafes there, for example, are half empty. Also if you look inside the Swedish classrooms you’ll see that there are hardly any children in many of them because their parents have chosen to keep them away.

        Nobody in the streets round me looks terrified. We just pass the time of day with our neighbours, albeit at a sensible distance, and opine that we hope it will be over soon.

        You are clueless, as ever, when you stray into territory you don’t understand.

        The point of the lockdown here was never to wait till the virus magically disappeared or was ‘eradicated’ – it was to keep the NHS from going under by being hit with too many sick people at the same time. And the NHS doesn’t just mean the number of wards it means the number of specialist staff (a) at work and not self-isolating with Covid symptoms and (b) kitted out in adequate protective equipment.

        Wards without (a) and (b) might as well be bus depots for all the use they are in treating Covid patients.

        • GreenAlba May 1, 2020 at 9:48 am #

          You’d be amazed the things you can still get, even in a lockdown.

          I’m waiting for some DIY stuff to do some wallpapering. It’s taking a while to come, because it’s being delivered and they’re doing their best but snowed under. If I’d had a car I could have gone and picked it up sooner, but I prefer not to get the bus at the moment. That means the people working at Homebase are still working – it’s just that you can’t go inside.

  426. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 4:06 am #

    Barr and Durham can still save Trump, but this virus may get in the way of things.

    I think that might be a major under-statement … nobody at all gives a continental about all that beltway stuff any more … whatsoever. And nor should any of you.

    The world has changed, and all you right-wing nut-fudge are totally toast!

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 5:44 am #

      Tinfoil King Cargill wants to change the subject.

      But he can’t.

      Napkin and pen? You on?

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:24 am #

      Cargill, you are right and wrong.

      If the opening up of the economy does not work, ie. the cases and deaths start up again, there will be no other issue that will matter, even the election. The stupidity of the political system here will preclude developing a method to vote, what that does is anyone’s guess.

      The world is changing, agreed, however a month of pandemic reversal will stop the changing until the next surge happens.

      If that occurs, there is no solution and the world will change, or collapse.

      Unemployment up to 30 million. Time to elect a Dem spendthrift and tax the country into the poor farm. We need another Great Depression, Clobber the Right by a Left that was ineffective against the 1930s depression for 10 years until the war started. Unfortunately the ineffectivity of both sides makes the bad times inevitable.

      Unless a miracle happens, the virus disappears, everyone gets rehired in two months around the world and things go back to normal.

      Uh-huh.

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:33 am #

      You socialists have faith in the government to correct problems and to lead the lemmings. What will happen when the country’s government fails to deliver? Like right now, gimmes are a large plurality and are driving the electorate Left. Reluctance, no reality, is starting to gnaw away at the Deep State as hesitancy to the unlimited stimulus programs is starting, including even the Dems. Pelosi is trying to get money appropriated for the lousy blue states that have been under Dem control for decades. McConnell realizes that is throwing good money after bad. Watch Illinois, it is the forefront of this coming battle. What happens when all the pensions have to be funded in all the Blue states?

      Disaster, phase 2. The failure of big government and the resetting of individual responsibility as the core of survival.

  427. Cargill April 30, 2020 at 6:20 am #

    The other is an unprecedented act against a sitting US president involving individuals at the highest levels of government, US intelligence, and foreign intelligence services.

    Happily dream on with your Deep State Conspiracies … they now mean nothing to no-one. You can repeat Fox-Breitbart talking points all day … but nobody cares. The beltway obsessions have totally dissolved … nobody thinks they matter any more.

    • Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 9:02 am #

      Tell David I said hi

    • JohnAZ April 30, 2020 at 10:36 am #

      Keep dreaming, Cargill, the continuance of the pandemic, if it occurs, and the failures of governments everywhere is going to doom the globalist Progressive movement. We are about to shrink population complexity hugely.

    • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

      You again spew opinion as fact pretending you know the pulse of the American electorate!
      How arrogant of you another simple proof you think you know everything but fall flat on your face to reality.
      Simply put STFU about American politics you are entirely wrong on almost every count!

      • Majella April 30, 2020 at 6:13 pm #

        benr –

        All you ever seem to do is berate anyone you disagree with about how, in your view, they’re ignorant, don’t know anything about the US, have no right to say such things about America…and they seem to do an inordinate amount of ‘spewing’.

        How about you put away the ‘angry’ and put up arguments instead of endless ad hominems?

  428. BackRowHeckler April 30, 2020 at 7:04 am #

    Cargill, based on his superior intelligence (he knew more than his profs when he was 18) and 6 weeks driving around the US — so he claims — as a provocateur, to bait the rubes, rednecks and ignorant American right wing Trump supporters as he imagines them in the faculty lounge back in the insignificant college he works at in3 Australia.

    He thinks he knows what buttons to push based upon MSM news feeds he watches — it’s almost laughable.

    That is, if he really is who he says he is.

    Brh

    • benr April 30, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      Yea he is as much Australian as I am.

  429. Pucker April 30, 2020 at 9:04 am #

    April 30, 1975

    After the Fall of Saigon and “The American War”, Vietnam was finally reunited to eventually become a low cost manufacturing center in the WalMart supply chain and a choice cheap tourist destination where US Vietnam vets can sit in loud, raucous girlie bars and sit on the beach drinking rich dark Vietnamese coffee with sweetened condensed milk.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NcVe4PhRyBs

    • Pucker April 30, 2020 at 9:05 am #

      I like the Vietnamese coffee and the “Beep” noodles.

  430. Nightowl April 30, 2020 at 9:44 am #

    Lisa Page: “I can feel my heart beating harder, I’m so stressed about all the ways THIS has the potential to go fully off the rails.”

    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1255664023988772865

    Chug, chug, chug … toot toot!