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SOTU update — Wed.Feb 6
Apparently, the new class of Democratic congresswomen think that they’re back in junior high school, since they all decided to dress alike in austere white costumes that signified… what? That they just came over from choir practice? That they’re all virgins (cough cough)? That all must be believed? And about what? (Everything.) For his part, and in his usually awkward way, Mr. Trump proffered the idea, at least, of conciliation, with an overlay of tough love. House speaker Nancy Pelosi glowered in torment and despair behind the rostrum as if she were acting out an Edvard Munch painting. Judging by their demeanor, the ladies-in-white think that a coherent immigration policy is the absolutely most ridiculous thing they ever heard. It’s pretty obvious that the Golden Golem of Greatness means business on this. He made it clear: “ten days.” Standing by on that. And then there was Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), up front sniggering through his fingers — Where’s Rep. Preston Brooks when you really need him? Finally, former Georgia legislator Stacey Abrams, delivering the so-called SOTU opposition “response,” did her show-pony turn to promote a Democratic pet issue: voting early and often. I guess she didn’t notice that the DNC already made that happen at their 2016 convention.
Previously, from Mon. Feb 4….
It’s conceivable, in a nation that absolutely can’t make sense of itself, that Mr. Trump’s annual report to congress will be as incomprehensible as this year’s Superbowl halftime show. Even the weather in Atlanta was a complete mystery with Maroon 5’s front man, Adam Levine, capering half-naked in tattoo drag amid artificial fires-of-hell, and then local hero rapper Big Boi’s triumphal entry in a limo, nearly lost inside what looked like the pelt of a giant ground sloth — an eight-year-old’s idea of what it means to be important. Or maybe it was just all code for two sides of the climate change debate.
You can be sure the atmosphere will be frosty to the max when the Golden Golem of Greatness lumbers down the aisle of congress’s house on Tuesday night. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democratic majority turns its backs on him during the always excruciating preliminaries and then just walks out of the chamber. Don’t expect the usual excessive rounds of applause from the president’s own party this time, either, in the big, half-empty room. They don’t know what to do about him at this point… or what to do with themselves, for that matter.
The running theme for State of the Union (SOTU) messages going back to Ronald Reagan is American Wonderfulness, so expect at least forty minutes of national self-esteem therapy, which nobody will believe. Throw in another ten minutes of elevating sob stories about “special guests” up in the galleries. But leave a little time for Mr. Trump to roll a few cherry bombs down the aisles. He must be good and goddam sick of all the guff shoveled at him for two years.
The hinge of the whole story will be how fabulous the US economy is. Mr. Trump performed miracles like unto Moses in Egyptland. The manufacturing economy that made America great in the 1950s is back (not). Unemployment has been vanquished (not). We are “energy independent” (not). The once-again rising stock market is proof-of-life for US business prospects (not). We have the best medical care and higher ed in the world (cough cough). It would all come as a surprise to the people dining on dog food with ketchup out in the flyover precincts — but they are not exactly the types to sit around and listen to Don Lemon and Jeffrey Toobin dissect the speech post-game.
Following the new-ish tradition of a designated opposition respondent to the SOTU, Democratic sore loser Stacy Abrams (Georgia Governor’s race, 2018), will virtue-signal her party’s dedication to identity politics, concealing its dark connection to the Wall Street / K Street grift machine, and to the Neocon war hawks so eager to manufacture failed states in parts of the world that are too bothersome to try to get along with. I suppose she will try to revive the Russian collusion angle, too, with a spin on how the Georgia election of 2018 was rigged by malign forces to prevent her victory.
Mostly though, Ms. Abrams will extol the wonders and marvels of free health care and free college for all under the coming 2020 Democratic Party landslide, a comfy-cozy future of women-led caring-and-sharing, plus the promise of punishing taxes-to-come on super-rich toffs like Mr. Trump. The media will eat it up. Ms. Abrams will then be promoted as the next vice-president. The party’s strategy is to get every female voter in America on-board along with its supplemental People-of-Color-and-LBGTQ army for a surefire electoral victory. I can see that possibly working, but is it a good fate for the country to be literally divvied up between a women’s party and a men’s party? It sounds like a recipe for Greek tragedy to me.
Anyway, both sides are marinated in delusion these days. Whatever Mr. Trump trumpets about the economy on Tuesday night will unwind stupendously in the months ahead. In private, he probably knows this, and I’m sure that he’s preparing to preside over some form of a national bankruptcy work-out. But even that won’t stop the roaring choo-choo train of the “democratic socialist” nirvana to come. The new religion of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) they subscribe to says that the government can spend as much money as it feels like spending because, one way or another, they create the money. Of course, this is Karl Marx with all the humor removed. And when it comes rolling down the tracks, it won’t be much of a joke.
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Applause, applause………Trump hefting the showbiz prelim signage, clown shoes optional.
Nice balance, JHK………lose/lose, the new win/win of Demockrazy
Me, I’m down with Yuval Noah Harari: anything you can do, I, the Algorithm, can do better……….yes I can (cue musical riff)
Seriously, with a middle name like that, who can doubt him.
ynharari.com
Rise of the machines, especially when they have their own power source, a snap for them.
Some ‘visionary’ or another is always telling us a miraculous transformation, wherein all problems are solved and the universe becomes our child-safe playground, is just around the corner. In this particular case, humanity’s upgrade already walks among us. Still in the early stages, but up and running. Who knows – he may be right, for the wrong reasons. Sapiens, indeed.
The country to be literally divvied up between a women’s party and a men’s party?
If that is the way things are going to be, I say fuck it.
Hey, it’s the boys against the girls – just like grade school. This was evident in the 2016 conventions.
“Hey, it’s the boys against the girls – just like grade school”
Which is about the mental capacity or maturity of all those involved- on both sides.
“…wherein all problems are solved…”
I’ve not read Hariri, only listened to the Sam Harris podcast with him, but I definitely did not get the impression that he thinks all problems will be solved – the contrary in fact.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/138-edge-humanity/
“[L]ocal hero rapper Big Boi’s triumphal entry in a limo, nearly lost inside what looked like the pelt of a giant ground sloth — an eight-year-old’s idea of what it means to be important” — once again, a paleontological reference! Keep them coming, I love them! I’ll be sure to remember them for Darwin Day, which is next week!
“The hinge of the whole story will be how fabulous the US economy is.” While at the same time, the fate of Sears Holdings is going before a bankruptcy court today. By the time of the State of the Union, either Sears but possibly not Kmart will be saved, at least temporarily, or both chains will be headed to liquidation. The loss of Sears in particular will cast a pall over any rosy economic wishful thinking coming from the podium tomorrow night.
Speaking of wishful thinking, Punxsutawney Phil, Staten Island Chuck, and Woody the Woodchuck all predicted an early spring on Saturday. While the snow is melting today in metro Detroit, I’m not convinced. I still think we’re in for a long winter.
Sears going under is not a supporting argument that the economy is facing doom.
It is a central tenet of market economics that old businesses and industries will die, while new ones emerge and grow.
And although I have many issues with our current economic system, I do believe that history proves that prosperity is impossible under any economic system under which failed enterprises are not allowed to die expeditiously.
Yeah,
The halftime show was the biggest corporatized music dumpster fire I’ve ever seen. I had to mute it after 30 seconds.
Frightening peoples minds have been bludgeoned enough to view that stuff as real “Art”.
It is always amazing how much bullshit Americans will believe. Both political parties shovel it out to the hungry masses daily with help from MSM. Lenin and his successful would be envious.
Successors
The end of the global financial system has been predicted for years now. It’s somewhat silly to keep giving it an imminent date, but one ha to wonder how long it will be before the iron law of economics takes its toll. It looked like December 2018 was the beginning of the long unwind of trillions of dollars of incredibly bad debt with almost no collateral to back it up. However, the major central banks uttered a few soothing words of support and we are off to the races again. One wonders how a few soothing words of liquidity-coming could foster such an updraft in the markets. If only a few measly words can do that, what will a new unleashing of quantitative easing do?
Maybe the Dems saw that Modern Monetary Theory has worked wonders for the financial sector and the “never stays down” stock market. The financial sector got to soak the taxpayers to maintain their lifestyles, but now any talk of raising taxes on these parasites is viewed with horror. Perhaps the Dems don’t understand that such theories are reserved for Banks and stock holders here in the land of the free.
Yes, I do understand the whole monetary system and economy are complete bullshit and running on fumes and going down anyway. I’m just trying to point out why some of these people might be taking their positions.
The financial system and the economy are two overlapping but different things. The economy consists of the exchange of goods (some needed, some just wanted) while the financial system is the method of accounting for and facilitating the exchanges.
Both the current financial system and the global economy have been so successful because of the presence of the Pax Americana, which is fading, and because of growth, which is composed of many things, but is waning.
The financial system changed twice in the last century because it failed and it is morphing once again (MMT). My expectation is that we will see the world break up into mercantile blocs, with some exchange between blocs, but most trade within blocs.
Not a recipe for peace.
Oh, I get it. Didn’t want to write a dissertation. I do agree with your eventual outcome. Much pain and likely atrocities between here and there. That is if Mom Nature doesn’t step up to the plate before we can do the job ourselves.
Yes, banks and stock holders, but don’t forget the military-industrial complex. What MMT actually does is to take on board one widely-understood fact: that there is no constraint on the federal government’s ability to spend. No constraint, period, because its spending is done in a currency that it issues. Therefore there’s no question of there being a limited money supply; the fact of Congress appropriating money to purchase goods and services is what creates the money in the first place. (Nowadays this power is delegated to the Fed, but constitutionally it belongs to Congress, and they can take it back any time they feel like it.)
That’s not to say that inflation isn’t a real phenomenon, or that it’s good when it happens. It doesn’t mean that inflation is bad, either. What it does mean is that, instead of losing our heads about a fake constraint — money — policy decisions should be made based on real constraints, which is to say, on the availability of real resources. That’s what inflation is: a change in the relationship between (a) the quantity of a currency available to be spent, which is effective demand, and (b) the availability of real goods and services in the economy: the supply. When the amount of currency in an economy far outstrips the real value available, it’s possible for the value of units of that currency to go down — that’s inflation. On the other hand, when currency is tightly constrained and people have nothing to spend or to lend, that’s deflation. When the latter happens, you have things like farmers dumping their milk in ditches, because no one is able to pay them for it. Policies that over-restrict the money supply cause waste and needless suffering. Just ask William Jennings Bryan.
What makes any currency valuable is the fact that, in addition to spending it into the economy, governments also tax it back out. Here’s the dirty secret they won’t tell you: The government’s power to tax is the engine that propels the entire monetary economy. How does that work? Simple: taxes have to be paid in the same currency that the government issues. This is why people who lose their heads about ‘fiat currency’ need to calm down. The same government that declared paper dollars to be money ‘by fiat’ is also the government that requires, by fiat, that those dollars be used to pay taxes. This closes the circle and clears the obligation that the government assumed when it issued the currency in the first place.
When someone explains the above, the usual thing is to panic — run around like Chicken Little and cry, “The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Hyperinflation! Weimar! Zimbabwe! Hoard guns and gold! Be afraid!” Instead, how about not panicking? Certainly neither party ever panics when they vote more hundreds of billions to defense contractors, year after year. Nor do the Republicans panic when they pass huge tax breaks for their wealthy employers, aka the billionaire class. The Republicans only scold about fiscal irresponsibility when they’re out of power; once they get in, it’s a party for their donors, and anyone who pays attention sees this. It’s only Democrats who allow themselves to be shamed into fiscal responsibility. The last President to run a balanced budget was Bill Clinton.
Instead of spending on endless wars and underwriting the parasitic billionaire class, it would be just as easy, and a lot better for the society, if those dollars were spent on making people’s lives better: on infrastructure, on useful work like ameliorating the effects of pollution or preparing for climate change, a hundred thousand things. There is plenty more policy space to do government spending to improve the lives of people than people like JHK would have us believe.
Yes under our system money is created when the government spends it. Also, that money creation is accompanied by a simultaneous issuance of debt of the same amount.
Those who want to eliminate the national debt fail to realize that if there were no government debt in circulation, there would be no money in circulation either.
Of course, that doesn’t mean excessive government spending/money creation/debt is not a problem. But government debt is not inherently bad, in fact, our economic system cannot exist without it.
And people may argue that it is a bad system. There could well be better alternatives. However, as much as I am tempted to hate the Federal Reserve System, I can’t avoid the empirical fact that the greatest run of prosperity in human history, the 20th century, occurred under economies which operate under this “central bank” system (Federal Reserve, and its counterparts in other developed nations).
I believe:
1). Prosperity is possible when natural resources, esp. energy, are abundant. Fossil fuels were the foundation of modern civilization.
2). A central bank system (and other aspects of our system such as fractional reserve banking) is unlikely to be the optimum economic system, but it does function well enough to allow prosperity to occur when prerequisite 1) is met.
3). Most likely there are better alternatives for an economic system, but I have no idea what they would be. The only one that has been tried is socialism, which is the pinnacle of human stupidity, since it produces universal economic destitution even when the prerequisite to a prosperous society is met. (Venezuela being the most recent and perhaps most glaring example.)
All good points. I agree with your comments about the Fed and the necessary evil they seem to have provided throughout the last century. However, during that growth we also created this heavily oil dependent system that is trashing the planet, and the people in many ways.
I personally have given up on all of the “-isms” (capitalism, communism, socialism, etc) that were theorized into existence during the era of expanding cheap energy, and fought over so brutally by the willing slaves of the ownership class. The evidence this far indicates all of these staunchly held beliefs will falter as cheap energy disappears. Meaning that at one point down the line human lives will he cheap and we all have an idea of where that scenario will lead and I’m betting none of them are too cheery if you happen to end up in the ,,”your life is cheap” camp. It all depends on whether or not we destroy the natural environment first. If that happens, it’ll be an indiscriminate event with all human lives being cheap.
as much as I am tempted to hate the Federal Reserve Syst – lbs
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Speaking of which:
Who of you out there feel as I do that Fed Chair, Powell “caved” to Trump last Wednesday. A puppy with his tail between his legs. No quarter point increase in the Fed Funds rate and hints of no increases for the rest of 2019. And the DOW responded as one might expect…+435 pts.
“Who of you out there feel as I do that Fed Chair, Powell “caved” to Trump last Wednesday. A puppy with his tail between his legs.”
I definitely agree, “The FED is the Market’s bitch.”
I do disagree with the FED bashing, this is the politicians’ doing. The pols set us on this course, mostly LBJ with a big assist when Nixon closed the gold window.
The politicians made it clear to the FED in the 1970s that they wanted easy money and would take away the FED’s “independence” (such as it was) if the FED did not provide it.
The Humphrey-Hawkins act was understood to be a “shot across the bow” to the FED and was the last nail in the coffin of the Republic. It’s all kabuki since then.
Gets tiresome to see people pointing to Venezuela as an example of the failures of socialism.
The situation there is complex. And we do not get accurate information in the Western media, particularly in the US. Ever since Chavez tossed the multinationals out of the country, Western governments have been busy ensuring the country fails.
I do not support socialism, but I also do not support what’s been done to this country by external forces — for oil.
Well, now that disgraced Ronny Jackson is Trump’s new medical consultant, he’ll sure to be svelte and toe-tapping offensive at the podium. The orange obese wonder will sound positively presidential in his attacks, all the while Nancy will smirk sitting just behind him. I’m looking to see if Nancy has a jar of vaseline on her table and if Donny’s long tie hides the 9,000 Big Macs (with fires…extra large) he has consumed the last 2 years. Oh yeah, and the extra scoop he has had his entire life.
I never thought it would be possible to look fondly at Ronald Reagan’s time in office. It’s just getting worse and worse by the day. I suppose it could have been even more terrible, though. America could have elected Jesse Ventura as President and instead of parades we would have the music and fireworks of a WWF circuit match. Oh…wait a minute, the Superbowl. Jets streaking overhead and celebrated tv commercials, rappers in fur coats and convertibles, white guys with tattoos and no shirt, and several million Dumb and Dumbers believing it’s all ‘the good life’. SAD. What’s that expression? “Well and truly fucked” MAGA.
You’re on the losing side. It’s not too late for you.
https://me.me/i/libnutz-bydxn-diaz-i-dont-understand-you-donald-trump-is-8a280e4cad6b4d9893f6e9ec0a60662e
The Body is probably the Dems best chance of taking the WH in 2020. May you live in interesting times.
“Disgraced Ronny Jackson”
Translation:
Obama’s WH doctor, who the McResistance thought they could count on to declare Trump mentally unfit for office.
After the coming Harris/Abrams 2020 landslide, do you think we’ll hear anymore about the Mueller investigation of the Russian Collusion
meme? Or will it have had already served its purpose?
Brh
“Emmanuel Macron planning to ship 130 suspected ISIS members from Syria BACK TO FRANCE”
Five days ago, from https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1079639/france-ISIS-emmanuel-macron-Syrian-Democratic-Forces-Christophe-Castaner-Marine-Le-Pen
What puzzles me the most is what motivates the current White leaders to immigrate so many “brown” folks into their countries? Why? Are they trying to turn their lands into “brown “ countries and why? Do they think they are being charitable and Why? Do they want population growth in their countries and with CC, why?
Just wondering. Seems to me it borders on insanity.
Why did Janet and DeeTrump want “brown” to the exclusion of White?
It seems odd until you realize White people don’t run this country.
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/u-s-senates-first-bill-in-midst-of-shutdown-is-a-bipartisan-defense-of-the-israeli-government-from-boycotts/
I do realize and it still is odd we allow these overlords.
It’s verboten to even point out the obvious. When I was younger the truth was offensive, now it’s borderline illegal.
Correction: …this colony
Insanity is all it is.
It’s insane that we put up with it, but it’s a plan.
“Just wondering. Seems to me it borders on insanity.”
That’s because it is.
psychcentral.com/blog/too-much-of-a-selfless-good-thing-pathological-altruism
Potlatch.
I personally skipped the Stupor Bowl. I have hardly ever cared much for the NFL, but when the whole Kapernick thing caught fire, I swore the NFL would never get a nickel of my money.
I will likely skip the SOTU as well. Lord knows I’ll get enough commentary about it that it will be just as if I actually attended.
Personally, I think the left may be heading the way of Hitler and Stalin. They started by legalizing and celebrating the killing of children. Their hatred towards heterosexual white men is seething such that I could see them seizing power and going on a campaign to wipe out such people. Fortunately, our side has 9 billion bullets, while their side can’t decide which bathroom to use.
This.
Our side also has much of the farm land, and much of the police and military. It’s really a one sided fight.
I’m not so sure we have the police and military on our side. It already seems like a police state to me. Witness the recent arrest of Roger Stone. Most of the police are wannabe FBI agents.
And also, Blue State America’s centers are the coastal urban bubble-worlds that make way too many of them so pampered and clueless. I do not look forward to the coming quasi-totalitarian redneck dystopia. 😛
Naw, the dogs will fight for those who sign the checks – and feel self righteous nonetheless. And a not inconsiderable portion of the White population will then support the Government simply because the police do. Moronic badge suckers and authority junkies.
The police will back down if the military goes the other way and they are in any real danger of losing their lives or livelihoods.
Remember how the Nazi doctors did experiments on babies and adults too. Sound like anybody you know?
We used to be astounded and appalled by these stories, not so much anymore, I guess.
Godwin alert!
I thought those were just stories and nobody was expected to believe them any more(?)
Unfortunately all too many of the stories are real, Mr. Coleman. In addition to the notorious Josef Mengele, who escaped justice, two dozen medical professionals were tried at Nuremberg (the so-called “Doctors’ Trial”) “for murder and torture done under the guise of human experimentation. Sixteen of the 23 defendants (20 of whom were physicians) were found guilty, and seven were executed.” (Link.)
“Greek tragedy”? Try comedy…see LYSISTRATA(aristiophanes), aka CHI-RAQ Spike Lee’s brilliant take on contemporary fun and games roundly ignored by Oscars so white
There’s hope:
Propria Sopra! to the Italians for voting down the EU’s decision to appoint Venezuela’s new president.
And then on the women’s side, not all their candidates are in la la land.
Tulsi Gabbard seems to be earthbound. Unfortunately, the DNC will make short work of her,
Is Pence squeezing her ass?
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Trump-Rubio-Pence-Venez-001.jpg
Lilian Adriana Tintori Parra is a Venezuelan activist, athlete, television and radio host. Tintori is the wife of Leopoldo López, a Venezuelan politician sentenced in 2015 to nearly 14 years in prison for “inciting violence” during street protests the year before. She has also led groups who have opposed the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_Tintori
Here, she looks much nicer:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMTSyAyU61s/VmLrj_164zI/AAAAAAAAFyk/Pb0GJIjI3i8/s640/Lilian%2BTintori%2Bhace%2Bstriptease.jpg
I doubt he’s squeezing her ass. She looks more like Trigger than Stormy does.
Looks like Trump had one butt cheek and Pence the other. Nice teamwork!
Poor Rubio. Shut out once again. White man’s privilege, and all.
You have to look real hard at the picture to tell, but Pence is actually shooting Rubio a mean sideways glance out of the corner of one eye that says, “Don’t you even THINK about it, mother******!”
Will unwind? Whaddaya mean WILL unwind? It’s unwound already for wide areas of the country, the effects felt in such measures as average life expectancy. If anything, given the propensity to understate true lousiness so as to be one of the boys and to avoid sounding like a doomsayer, the men with measuring sticks probably know inside their dark hearts where the truth about longevity actually lurks, that it’s a number like inflation causing laughter among people with functioning eyeballs who happen to look at published figures.
Yep, this is the age of “fake news”, the chief purveyor of which is government, not least of which are government statistics which, like science fiction, require a willing suspension of disbelief. Actually we’ve been immersed in baloney since, um, how long has it been? Back in the day “fake news” had a different name, actually a bunch of them, ABC, NBC, CBS etc.
Remember Bob McNamara and his spreadsheets that proved incontrovertibly and unquestionably that the good guys were winning? Those numbers were the much touted “facts and evidence” of the day, that anyone who had his head on straight had to believe. Why? Because they were FACTUAL.
So who COULD you trust? Cronkite? LBJ used to watch his newscast and said that he knew that when he lost Cronkite he’d lost the American people. Maybe you could trust good ole Walt, just maybe, and the other Walt too, the man that built Disney Land.
There’s this fella that wrote that the main lesson about the Vietnam debacle was “tell the truth.” That was the lesson, don’t fucking lie. Did we learn the lesson? Nope, this preposterous Russia Collusion investigation and the fertilizer that’s fertilizing it being Exhibit A, raising absurdity to new heights. But then bullshit being the stock-in-trade, what do you expect?
But worse still, deception merges with self-deception and the deceiver starts to believe his own lies. Talos IV here we come.
“Facts” are notoriously slippery things. Little buggers!
Ol’ Scratch,
Not to worry; a pack of lies is now (in modern parlance) an innocuous set of “alternative facts”. C’mon, the destruction of meaning can be fun and profitable! 🙂
Now, if we’re talking *delusions*; those only surrender to the million-pound shit-hammer of inescapable predicaments… and sometimes not even then.
Had to laugh in agreement with the Stupor Bowl halftime comments. I was long passed the point of clicking through the channels for something remotely interesting to watch by that point, but I had to stop and stare in wonder at the sight of Big Boi’s grand entrance and the ensuing festivities. Even viewed purely as kitsch, which is the only way it can be viewed IMO, this was just so hilariously over the top that I seriously wondered if they weren’t deliberately making fun of the audience for drinking this kind of shit up. Whatever.
The “debate” over MMT, which rages daily over at NakCap, likewise. Most over there simply can’t come to terms with the fact that that’s what the Fed has been doing all along, at least since Nixon took us off the gold standard and declared fiat money a thing in the 70’s. How will that arrangement work out in the long run? Just what we’re seeing now: targeted stealth inflation for key asset prices and commodity’s like real estate, stocks and bonds, luxury items, health care, compensation for executive level positions, and similar shit that the rich horde and consume, with stagnation and deflation for the rest of the shit that’s leftover for the poor. Yes, the Fed’s been amazingly effective at concealing this for the past decade or so, but a con game’s still a con game in the end; it can only play out for so long.
As for the SOTU, these thing’s are always just political theater. If Trump had any real cajones he would have just canceled the damn thing altogether and been done with it. It’s a silly tradition and not a requirement in any way, so why not just say enough is enough already? MUCH more important things to do!
If I were Trump I would’ve done one of two things, the SOTU speech at a school gym, someplace in deepest, darkest Deplorable Country, just the kids and him and Melania and some guy that records it and posts it on youtube. I mean what the fuck is social media supposed to be for anyway? Isn’t it supposed to bypass traditional outlets? Isn’t Trump supposed to be in the business of breaking things? It would have been short, without the tiresome and traditional standing ovations and cheering after every other phrase. What he COULD have done was to have a Q and A afterwards with them.
Or he could have booked an arena for a Deplorable rally and told the troops that this will be the SOTU speech and fuck Pelosi and Congress and the whole pack of dirty dogs.
Or he could have done both.
That would have been great, both authentic and an authentic fuck you. But alas, he loves the high life and is an Establishment Junky. But he Could have had it in the Senate, right? Why didn’t he? To me and to many it just seemed like a capitulation.
Excellent comment…Imagine, the SOTU being given to the anointed in a school gymnasium in Muskogee, OK., Or Eagle Pass, TX…imagine the civic pride! Imagine the Democratic response! What could they reference, the mean surroundings? The MAGA hats? Trump missed a bet here.
Remember silver certificates?
Reading the Investopia entry I get angry again. Already in the mid-19th Century big guv was sticking it to the little guy who wanted something of physical value he could hang onto.
Nixon’s 1971 announcement was just an anticlimax.
The real fun used to be the ads, but even they’ve got politically correct now. Just endless Blacks portrayed as the future – a people who didn’t even have the wheel being used to sell cars.
Wakanda is going to be shown all over America as part of Black History month.
Black Panther that is. Wakanda is the real place where he lives. Many Blacks think it’s real. Sorry, not sorry about dat.
You Tube, Call for an uprisings channel.
Re: the SOTU “Much more important things to do!”
Yeah, like Executive Time, Lunch, Executive Time, Meet COS (30 minutes of either unengaged staring into space or ranting furiously about how unfair everyone is to him), Executive Time, Dinner, Sitting on the Throne Tweeting all night…Yeah, the country’s really getting its money’s worth, huh.
You left out hairdo time.
If we do Medicare for all it will cost $35 trillion over next ten years. If we don’t do Medicare for all it will cost $50 trillion. To be or not to be, that is the question. If you don’t want your government handling your health care there will still be private insurance. That my friends is a no brainer. As for the SOTU, I think the economy is on cruise control. We could be that Star Trek episode where the great leader was really dead and everything just ran itself. Trump spend half his time on Executive Time, a psuedonym for TV and Twitter time. He is irrelevant. If he had come to Pelosi and Schumer and said Border Security, abracadabra. But no he had to come in walls blazing. He’s got shit for brains and he doesn’t know how to get things done.
Get thee to Venezuela, lobo marino, they are in grave need of your stupendous insight.
Until his coffee plantation went bust, he was Juan Valdez.
Medicare for all would encroach on the private insurance rackets. NEVER going to happen. As you might recall, the Dems could have passed something similar quite easily in 2009, but chose Obamacare instead. Case closed. Trump is merely representative of the Swamp he inhabits now. He’s become one of it’s creatures. Take away their faux opposition, and Pelosi and Schumer are revealed to be exactly the same.
Greed!
That is what motivates the capitalistic economy. Greed and power.
Call it rackets, whatever, greed and power is what stops capitalistic economies from turning into mush, like Venezuela.
How many folks have you seen be motivated by someone just handing them money? Especially if the money is worthless.
You are right about Trump’s appearance right now.
Give him until the 15th.
Yep. Greedy bastards feeding on the carcass of what’s left of the US government / economy. As good as it gets these days.
Good John! Now explain why you want more of the same thing. And remember, no Government made the Corporations send our industrial base overseas. They wanted to. Refer back to your own comment for an explanation.
Courtesy of the Sun’s Lance. If you want to purchase one, you can but not from me and it will only cost you all that you have.
No government made the corporations send our industrial base overseas.
Huh?
The government’s 37% tax rates on corporations certainly did!
Econ 101
And they’re all going to rush back now? Doubt it – not until wages stagnate some more. You think a Nation is just an economy. That’s like saying a person is just their body – the antithesis of everything good and decent. It just doesn’t jibe with your faith.
You would turn Americans into peasants bowing before their economic masters. It costs a lot to have a good Nation. Are we willing to pay for it? Obviously the Corporate Traitors are not.
Yes, who really thinks the insurance companies will just roll over.
And nobody mentions the scale of the software systems required for Med4All. CMS cannot keep up with over-65 Medicare! Fraud is rampant.
The $35 trillion number came from the congressional budget office. Where did the $50 trillion number come from?
To compare, all I want to see is what is coming out of the National treasury for Medicare for all and comparing it to what is being spent currently to support the current situation with ACA.
Then compare, is it worth investing National capital into socialized medicine or a more private option.
The decision makers and planners need to be intelligent planners that know what they are talking about, not a bunch of squabbling children in DC. Sorta like immigration control.
Hey! What’s a few $Trillion among friends?
Healthcare in America is the 5th largest economy in the world. That is just evil. It is growing at 15% a year. Per capita costs show that Medicare for all will cover everybody for the same money. Rule of 72 says healthcare will double twice in ten years. That’s $14 trillion dollars a year in 10 years. It is like climate change. 10 years and we’re all dead if we don’t do something.
If we do Medicare for all it will cost $35 trillion over next ten years.
Whats the projected population of USA in 10 years?
Modern Monetary Theory
The government can spend as much money as they want because the print the money.
Talk about a prescription for the death of a people. Examples, Weimar Germany and Venezuela.
INFLATION!
So to spend as much as they want without a wealth backup for the money, wow turn on the presses and make all of us millionaires. What an exciting idea. We will all be rich. Good Lord, this is what the Leftist Dems are selling. This takes one element for it to work, 50% of a public that is so stupid and ignorant about basic economics and history that they can get away with the falsehoods. Gee, this might explain why the education elite of the Left want to stop teaching economics and history in the schools.
Money without wealth, what a concept. That is why Warren wants to tax wealth instead of only income. Think about it, tax the capital of the US and invest it in our lovely government. Great idea, convert our money, our capital to government spending, ie government debt. All you pension holders and owners of 401k plans, just watch what happens when the government starts taxing your wealth build up today.
If you agree with this idea, definitely vote Democrat and you will get your wish.
All great points by everyone.
Speaking of social collapse, tatoos on Levine and Edelman, both should have been warned off by their tribal elders from taking part in such nonsense.
Hope you all enjoyed the defensive football game yesterday.
The Leftist presses are roaring today calling the Patriots a racist organization because they beat the homeboys from LA. They approve of Trump and will visit the White House. There are an appropriate number of White team mates on the Patriots. Nobody knealt during halftime, Gladys Knight sang a beautiful National anthem with no accompanying BS.
A Progressive’s nightmare. Class act!
From a new Patriots fan.
Agreed. Just think how the left would be howling if there had been no diverse halftime propaganda to balance it out.
The pelt of a giant ground sloth indeed, well spoken! I was amazed myself at the NFL, champion as they claim of “social justice” causes, in allowed this fool to don the hide in the first place, be it real or only pretend. They must have screened out any PETA fans on the way in because if a regular person would have worn such garb, they would have been showered with real or pretend blood as they exited their vehicle.
I have no doubt about how correct you are that the sellout scumbag politicians, probably both sides of them, will act like the spoiled geriatric children that they are and act up at the State of The Onion speech. President Trump will certainly continue the presidential tradition of blowing toxic gasses up our collective asses just as every president since JFK has done. America loves bullshit and cannot eat enough of it, it would seem.
The only part of the entire demented tragedy that I have a hard time understanding is why the government doesn’t simply print up money out of nowhere and stop taxing us at all? If it works for them and their banker/corporate masters, why screw us? Oh, perhaps just for fun, you think? Keep ’em coming James, they certainly give you enough ammunition to go for it with. Thank you.
Walter B, the one problem I see with your latter proposal is the ‘stop taxing’ part. Taxation is crucial to an economy that uses fiat money, because the requirement to come up with dollars (to pay taxes) is what underwrites the value of the currency.
A fiat economy where government policy puts people to work doing useful things, and prevents financial parasites and other money hoarders from parasitising the system, can get along just fine. Better that than giving palaces and servants to anyone who can come up with some stupid metal.
Interesting question (one seldom asked) and interesting answer. I might also add that taxation is a method social control. The IRS is feared and even has its won squadron of soldiers. But existentially, you may be right – certainly about not needing it if we had a decent government. But of course we differ about what that is and what not only a just society is, but what a society is. You think it all comes from the top and is imposed on those below. But how organic is that? And root of the word humility is humus or soil….
Your kind do not trust the People – yet you expect them to trust you. It cannot be, must not be, shall not be.
My father was a career USAF officer. He flew the Berlin airlift and we grew up at SAC bases in the 1950s.
He never showed fear except when the subject of the IRS came up. I was impressed. “Son, they will come after you. They never give up.”
This to a kid who never had a pot to piss in, from a dad – child of the Great Depression – who scrimped and saved his whole life.
Later of course we were to see the confiscatory powers broadened considerably, across Lana the Free and Homer the Brave. Welcome to civil forfeiture, another bonus of the War on Drugs.
Elrond Hubbard conflates “financial parasites” with “money hoarders.”
This is typical of a certain vein of thinking which would grind the little people into abject misery & poverty. At the same time artfully disguised as caring for them.
Tate, you should study the history of classical economics. It’s not surprising that you aren’t familiar with the subject, since nowadays almost nobody is, including Nobel prize winners.
Classical economics was concerned with bettering the conditions of life by removing barriers to development, and creating a society that would reward productivity. Nineteenth-century economists such as John Stuart Mill, witnessing the Industrial Revolution, saw that when resources were invested in productive enterprises, the results could improve the general welfare. But too often, the benefits were creamed off by speculators, including the old plutocratic class who went by the name of aristocrats. Classical economists identified speculators, and collectors of unearned income generally, as parasitic and unproductive. They made it their business to understand the processes that produced this kind of unearned income (known as economic rent), and to redirect them to make people’s lives better more generally.
Rent-seeking, defined as trying to make money without producing anything of value (something for nothing; sound familiar?) comes in many forms, including speculation in land or in stocks, but one of the biggies is waged labour. It was Marx who put his finger on the exploitative nature of working for someone else: the boss is inherently parasitic, since the value of the work done is always greater than the wage paid for it (that’s where profits come from). The alternative is equally clear: people should own the places they work, no different from owning their own homes. Any workplace bigger than a small household can, and should, be organized cooperatively, with each worker owning a share equal to the full value of the work they do.
I ask you this, Tate: why should I give away the value of my work to someone else? The only answer is, because any alternative is denied. Rent-seekers are completely in charge of the society nowadays, to the point where it’s coming apart at the seams under the relentless pressure of their expectations. It’s tending back toward where things were before the industrial revolution, when a tiny minority owned everything and the rest of society scraped out a living from their scraps and leftovers.
Nineteenth-century thinkers understood all these issues very clearly. That’s not surprising; economics is nowhere near as complicated as, say, physics. The real question is how we came to forget what we once knew.
Instead of a sophomoric lecture on Classical & Marxist economics, why can’t you simply attempt to defend your attack on savers (which you called ‘money hoarders’)?
Rent-seeking, defined as trying to make money without producing anything of value (something for nothing; sound familiar?) comes in many forms, including speculation in land or in stocks, but one of the biggies is waged labour. It was Marx who put his finger on the exploitative nature of working for someone else: the boss is inherently parasitic, since the value of the work done is always greater than the wage paid for it (that’s where profits come from). The alternative is equally clear: people should own the places they work, no different from owning their own homes. Any workplace bigger than a small household can, and should, be organized cooperatively, with each worker owning a share equal to the full value of the work they do. – Elrond Hubbard
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OMG!!!!!
When there are people loose in this world who believe as Elrond does it makes me glad I am growing old and will probably die before people like him actually take over.
Marx good. Profit baaaaaad!
“When there are people loose in this world who believe as Elrond does it makes me glad I am growing old and will probably die before people like him actually take over.
Marx good. Profit baaaaaad!”
Q, there is a large, very popular but upmarket store in the UK called ‘John Lewis and Partners’. Historically it’s been immensely successful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership
It’s struggled in 2018 (didn’t most big retail stores?) partly because it has a ‘never knowingly undersold’ policy, so if you can find a product you bought or want to buy in any other high street store (not the internet) they will refund the difference – I made use of this myself once, but mostly you don’t need to because the do the price comparisons proactively for you and price accordingly. And that means their profits can be lower than they might otherwise be. But it’s not necessarily a deal-breaker. They give great after-sales service too. As this article says, maybe it’s time to give up the slogan. I shop there because of the quality and the after-sales service, as do many other people. I can live with it not always being exactly as cheap as lesser stores.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45509122
The thing is, the reason it’s called ‘John Lewis and Partners’ is because it belongs to its employees, who are the partners and who share in the profits. On a good year they get a serious bonus, dependent on profits; on a less good year they get less. They contribute to the success of their company so why wouldn’t they? The profits are also ploughed back as investment in the business, as with any other. The point is who benefits from the investment, and the profits.
Is ‘co-operative’ a trigger word for you, Q? When I was young, it was a soft word, redolent as much of Christianity as anything else (perhaps you’ll have heard the saying, credited to Morgan Phillips, then General Secretary, that the British Labour Party owed as much to Methodism a to Marxism).
Trigger words are why we get nowhere in discussions, because they make people’s brains seize up. John Lewis makes its way in the big, bad corporate world. And so far it’s done so very successfully. Long may it and its partner-employees continue (their cafe-restaurant makes the best scones in Edinburgh too, so yeah…).
*chain of stores*, not ‘store’.
PS the CEO does exceedingly well, just like CEOs in other, less enlightened businesses. He’s not paid the same as the cleaners or the sales assistants. So no trigger facts there either.
And the reason the business is owned by its employee-partners is because the entrepreneur who set it up in the first place wanted it that way.
The problem with employee-owner operations, especially here in the States where “Greed is Good” is that It does not take long for those at the very top to realize that profit sharing means that the profits they share should be theirs alone. The lifestyles that the top dogs develop require huge amounts of cash and sharing is not conducive to maintaining decadence. The theory is excellent and could work, but not here, not now. The Me-Me-Me generations that follow will make this a certainty.
Tate: “Instead of a sophomoric lecture on Classical & Marxist economics…”
Uh-oh, I’m a sophomore. Won’t you please assign me a letter grade? You know I live for your approval.
Tate: “why can’t you simply attempt to defend your attack on savers (which you called ‘money hoarders’)?”
Why should I acquiesce to your claim that I am conflating savers with hoarders? Is it your position that there’s no difference between Aunt Mabel’s retirement savings and Jeff Bezos’ preposterous accumulation of lucre? Is it not possible that the difference between their two fortunes amounts not just to one of degree, but of kind? I say it is possible, and it is in fact the case.
A highly unequal society is a bad society. Limits on the ability to accumulate wealth, and the unaccountable power that goes with it, are due and appropriate in a democracy.* I support viable policies for achieving this, including (especially) inheritance taxes on large fortunes, to prevent the formation of a permanent, indolent ruling class that perpetuates itself through inherited wealth. Bill Gates, for example, plans to leave his kids $20 million each, which is the right move, in my opinion. People who do well in life should leave their kids enough so they can do anything, but enough so they can do nothing. And certainly not enough so they can effectively run the society to suit themselves.
* PS: To anyone who wants to jump in and declare smugly, “The USA isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic”, kindly go yell it into your toilet bowl.
Green Alba,
John Lewis and Partners, eh?
The USAan counterpart: Costco.
Excellent prices, quality and service… and horror of horrors, less parasitism! (Their product “demonstrators” however, are outside contractors and are paid about 1/2 of actual employees and receive no benefits. *They* are well-parasitized by their overlords.)
“… treatment of employees has often upset Wall Street. As one analyst from Deutsche Bank wonderfully summed up, “it’s better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/costco-things-you-didnt-know_n_4725587.html
(And before all you skimming supporters start to squeal, I caution you about killing the messenger; that common practice is going to get you into a dangerous cycle of ignorance one o’ these dark days.)
Thanks, ozone. We have Costco here too but I didn’t know about their business model (on the employee/organisational side) at all.
When I had a car (and a house with storage space in the loft) I had a Costco card. Their stuff was excellent. The downside was that lots of things were in massive packs or packs of three. And my flat has an eye-watering lack of storage space so no more regiment-sized packs of loo paper or washing powder at really cheap prices.
I have only one almost nostalgic item left from Costco. I have a small dishwasher that hardly ever gets used as it normally takes no time to wash the dishes by hand. I bought a three-pack of dishwasher tablets in Costco in about 2001 and the second pack is still not finished. I suspect the third pack will outlast me or the electricity supply, whichever goes first 🙂 .
Yes, we should impose stiff inheritance taxes at the upper strata of wealth, but we already do that. More effective would be to disallow the charitable trust loophole as long as we’re dreaming.
“Rent-seekers are completely in charge of the society nowadays”
Elrond,
And when has it been otherwise? There might be a few temporary paradigms that failed with spectacular suffering, but few viable alternatives in human history.
“In complete charge” can be a code word for the “rule of law”. The answer and example of relative but temporary success lies in America of the 1950’s, where the tax laws did anoint the winners and losers with an attempt to level the playing field.
>>> Rent-seeking, defined as trying to make money without producing anything of value
@Elrond, this demonstrates that YOU don’t understand classical economics.
Capitalism depends on surplus wealth—on making money off money. Where do you think surplus wealth comes from to create new enterprise? The bank? What is the incentive to risk wealth? Universal kumbaya?
The fact that rent-seeking exists demonstrates a need for it. It’s certainly not the fault of the wealthy that so many want to live beyond their means, in “rented” lifestyles. There would be no “rent-seeking” without a market for it.
Who do you think decides what’s needed or not? What the value of something is? The government? The same government that openly inflates currency and steals from us all?
I’ll take a market over the government any day. But if you prefer Mao’s China or the Siberian fruit store from the Soviet era, than be my guest and enjoy your workers paradise in Venezuela.
>>> economics is nowhere near as complicated as, say, physics.
And yet we can land on an astroid, but we can’t predict tomorrow’s stock market.
Since you raised the topic, only an ignoramus would claim that Economics is simpler than Physics.
Exscotticus: “The fact that rent-seeking exists demonstrates a need for it.”
Ex, is this equally true for everything, or only for certain things? How about plantar warts, or pornography? Does the fact that those things exist demonstrate the need for them as well? ‘Cause I’m blessed if I can see how the one follows from the other. Unless you can explain it to me, I call bullshit.
Tate: “Only an ignoramus would claim that Economics is simpler than Physics.”
Okay, Tate, since I’ve already delivered a lecture about economics, how’s about you deliver one on physics and show me up? I’ll give you a topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity
Keep it to the sophomore level. Don’t want anyone’s feelings getting hurt.
>>> How about plantar warts
Is there a market for it? Are they trading it as a commodity on the stock exchange?
>>> Does the fact that those things exist demonstrate the need for them as well
I never said there’s a need for all things that exist in the universe. I said there’s a need for goods and services that people are willing to pay for. And yes that includes drugs, prostitution, and whatever reductio ad absurdum examples you’re failing to demonstrate. Additionally, I never said all needs are legal or compatible with civilization.
Your attempt at deflection doesn’t change the fact that olde tymey economists like Adam Smith understood the world far better than you ever will.
Oh look, another socialist experiment fails.
I admit I don’t have numerous advanced degrees hanging on my cubicle wall as do you (oops! I forgot, I don’t occupy a cubicle, my bad), so I can’t comment on your link to “Loop Quantum Gravity” but how’s this: you may or may not be familiar with Isaac Newton’s comment on the stock market after losing a fortune in the South Seas bubble:
“I can calculate the motions of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”
But maybe I’m wrong about you, maybe you should join Paul Krugman in receiving a Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic ‘Sciences’ in Memory of Alfred Nobel (commonly & mistakenly referred to as a Nobel Prize in Economics.)
Let’s go over this again, Exscotticus. You wrote: “The fact that rent-seeking exists demonstrates a need for it.” It demonstrates no such thing, unless you want to try and rescue this non-sequitur by saying that “it” doesn’t refer to rent-seeking.
If “it” refers to goods and services that people are willing to pay for, then there is no disagreement: what is needed is productive activity. But contrary to what you seem to believe, I have never argued against markets; they are a very useful resource-allocating mechanism. But where there are markets, there will be rent-seekers, i.e. parasites, which is why an unfettered market economy, where the winner takes all, is a bad thing. There’s a vast chasm between being useful, versus being the sole basis of all social policy, knowing no constraints, for eternity. Rent-seeking is a parasitic side effect of markets, non-productive by definition, and works against both the correct functioning of markets and the principles of fundamental justice. Curbing it is both just and prudent.
Since you appeal to authority by referring to Adam Smith, note that he wrote the following: “All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” He would certainly see how that applies to the parasitic billionaire class of today who own things for a living, far and above what they actually contribute. They’re no different from the parasitic class of his own time, which he understood quite well.
Tate, I don’t need a medal for knowing my hole from an ass in the ground. State-of-the-art theories in physics yield predictions that have been verified experimentally to an accuracy of within one part in a hundred million. On the other hand, similarly state-of-the-art theories in economics yield no predictions, only just-so stories. You may have noticed that the economics profession absolutely failed to predict the 2008 economic crisis, for example.
Should we consider why? I proffer this explanation: the complexity that physics measures is genuine, but the complexity that theories like DSGE purport to measure is bogus. The clue is in the name: so-called ‘dynamic stochastic general equilibrium’ economic theories rest on the assumption that, if left alone, economies tend toward equilibrium. This idea doesn’t come out of any observations of economic reality. It’s simply an assumption — one that macroeconomists, if asked, will admit they were required to make in order for their theories to function.
The mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot has pointed out numerous ways in which widely-used theories about financial markets employ invalid and/or unsupported assumptions, or otherwise simply don’t comport with reality. You can quibble about whether any of this bears on one subject being more ‘complex’ than the other, I’m fine with that. But all the bogus math economists are trained to do actually fulfills a purpose: that of distracting them from more fundamental questions of justice, which can only be solved politically, not mathematically.
>>> which is why an unfettered market economy, where the winner takes all, is a bad thing.
This isn’t the definition of an unfettered market economy. It’s not the definition that “classical” economists used.
An unfettered market doesn’t mean anything goes; it means that the government’s role is to safeguard the market itself and protect against bad actors. Compare this to what governments actually do, which is to routinely interfere in markets at every opportunity, and to pick winners and losers.
THIS is what makes “rent-seeking” possible. THIS is what you don’t get. The government itself creates a MARKET fot rent-seekers.
>>> what is needed is productive activity.
And who decides what “productive activity” is? You? The government?
Every day I listen to socialists scheming up ways to spend other people’s money. You no doubt define this activity as productive. I define it as parasitic. We can end this debate right now if you’ll agree that the government itself is the biggest “rent-seeker” of them all.
“I proffer this explanation: the complexity that physics measures is genuine, but the complexity that theories like DSGE purport to measure is bogus. The clue is in the name: so-called ‘dynamic stochastic general equilibrium’ economic theories rest on the assumption that, if left alone, economies tend toward equilibrium. This idea doesn’t come out of any observations of economic reality. It’s simply an assumption — one that macroeconomists, if asked, will admit they were required to make in order for their theories to function.”
That theory is a simplifying assumption. Physics also makes simplifying assumptions but despite its use of simplifying assumptions, it has a good track record of accurate prediction whereas economics does not. Why is that? The answer is that the subject matter of economics has much greater complexity than that of physics, which forces it to introduce a great many simplifying assumptions in order to call itself a science. If you say that the subject matter & its study are distinct from one another, then of course you can hold that what you said is true, as economics ‘simplifies’ reality. Obviously, we’re talking past one another.
Saving money is theft from the People. Kick it in or get you door kicked down by the Peace Officers of the PePeace or People’s Police.
Is there a typo in your comment somewhere ’cause I don’t know what the frig you’re talking about!
Q – I think Janos is taking the PiPiss. I hope so anyway.
PETA do they condone pigskins?
One of the best posts I’ve read here in a long time, Mr. K. I think you slagged both sides equally well. I still don’t understand why people buy into the belief that there’s any real difference between either party, when they both dance to the tune of the Oligarchs and will continue to do so right up to the final death throes of the country. One thing is certain, however, when the dust settles, the 1% will be doing just fine ,thank you very much. It occurs to me that maybe the Oligarchs should wear those one percenter patches like the bikers do, it would make it a little easier to spot them when they are out and about. Like I’ve said before, they managed to buy the government, and there’s faint chance that they’ll let go until they have drained every drop of profit from the country, leaving the rest of us to pick shit along with the chickens, and fight about abortion rights.
People buy into it capt because they have been programmed and “educated” to believe in it. Far too many are simple in their perceptions – good/bad, black/white/, and so on. Tell them they have only two choices and they will choose one over the other. They are also heavily drugged and drunked up and with constant entertainment/distracts being thrown at them, well they are lucky if they can look into their underwear and determine what gender they are. Oh, I forgot, far too many can no longer do that can they?
And BTW I finished the book you suggested, The Rise of the Robot, thank you it was scary stuff Unfortunately it is inevitable.
“Look into their underwear.”, that’s too funny, Mr. B. With regards to “Rise of the Robots”, and similar scary stuff, like climate change, etc., I believe that recognizing the problems and confronting them is the only rational thing one can do. I see too many people who shy away from unpleasant subjects because they are, well, unpleasant. Ignoring problems for that reason leaves you vulnerable to the effects of those problems, and the unpleasantness (or worse) that comes from that behavior. I welcome anything you may have to suggest as far as reading, I enjoy your comments.
You two should start a Dunning-Kruger club.
You are invited to be the first paying member.
I believe that recognizing the problems and confronting them….
But the tragedy is we delude ourselves into imagining we behave rationally with new information when we do not.
I’ve got information man, new shit has come to light… <– The Big Lebowski
Is not real life. People concern themselves with the immediate and beyond that it is all abstract. The bar is lower than you think capt.
What people are doing when new shit comes to light is a way to use that information to improve their social position. With unpleasant information dismissing it initially is always the way to go. Strike or split, that will be socially approved. People don’t like change. All genius ideas start out stupid.
I swear to you, sirs, that excessive consciousness is a disease — a genuine, absolute disease. For everyday human existence it would more than suffice to have the ordinary share of human consciousness; that is to say, one half, one quarter that that which falls to the lot of a cultivated man in our wretched nineteenth century […] It would, for instance, be quite enough to have the amount of consciousness by which all the so-called simple, direct people and men of action live. — Fyodor Dostoevsky
That was then and this is now. Had Fyodor an i-phone he’d have found one quarter consciousness to be generously adequate. Phones can reduce the operational consciousness load to a quarter of a quarter of the breath of life which animated a cultivated nineteenth century man. It is a Crime, so where is the Punishment? Yet to come I think.
Genius, the ability to apprehend the obvious, when seen in men brings prison, and poverty while a man lives. Statues and salutations only come after they die.
LOVE that Dostoevsky quote! Similarly, in our current culture especially, I think that exceptionally physically attractive people are also mentally handicapped. Having people who would otherwise know better kiss their ass all the time skews their perception of reality. Combine good looks and a strong intellect in one person and you’ve got what we see on display today in Hollywood and throughout the corridors of power. Sociopaths everywhere you look.
Note that great intellect does not usually coincide with great wisdom, which is what I think Dostoevsky is saying here.
The quote says many things. It says a man can go about his daily life in ignorant bliss of much pain and suffering. Pain and suffering which has no impact on a daily routine. A ‘cultivated man‘ in ‘our wretched‘ shows that. To know much brings pain. To know is to hurt.
Or it says we think too much. Gems shine light in many ways.
“To know much brings pain. To know is to hurt.”
Reminds me of something my other half used to say: ‘depression is the price of sensitivity’.
These days sensitivity makes you a ‘cuck’ or something.
Before anyone weighs in with a medical diatribe, I just mean ‘everyday’ not clinical depression.
GreenAlba: That only works if you let yourself be swayed by people who use terms like ‘cuck’. No one can impose their world view on you without your permission.
” No one can impose their world view on you without your permission.”
Elrond,
Any current examples?
Ironic, Mr. B, that judging by his snotty comments elsewhere on here, we are dealing with someone who is the epitome of Dunning-Kruger, and yet doesn’t realize it. He also seems to be one of those internet types who say things online that they wouldn’t dare say to you in person, for fear of getting bitch slapped for it. But in his defense, I suppose it must be a blow to his finely honed intellect to be forced to come on here, and be subjected to postings by people who don’t know what they’re talking about, when he so obviously does. I’m sure it’s lonely at the top.
Those that control us and profit from us and those minions that bow down before them are always angered when they witness any of us building bridges to one another, for divide and conquer is their agenda. I take great solace in knowing that I am pissing them off when I can counter their work and it is a goal that I have committed myself to in every way. Never let them see you run!
I still don’t understand why people buy into the belief that there’s any real difference between either party,
This is why. 🙂
Interesting article, thanks, venuspluto. But depressing, because it’s all so self-reinforcing, so hard to see a way out.
Why The Culture War Has No Exit Strategy, a video by TJ Kirk.
He’s both a bit addictive and a bit exhausting 🙂
That’s why he’s my fave YouTuber. 😉
I know we are kicking the can down the road but it seems to be working. Since 2010 all of the additional sovereign debt in the world on net has been financed by money printing with minimal inflation. Japan has shown you can do this for decades. BOJ owns over 50% of Japans national debt. ECB owns 40% of Europes sovereign debt.
Its hard to get to the bottom of the EROEI for shale oil and gas but it seems to be keeping shit going. Worse case scenario we print the money and nationalize the companies so they continue to frack away.
John Michael Greer might have nailed it in the podcast when at the end he said we have too much energy and too much wealth in this country. That might be the real problem.
On the one hand, you correctly point the finger at “the Wall street/ K street grift machine,” but then you seem to denigrate the idea of “punishing taxes-to-come on super-rich toffs like Mr. Trump.”
Is a 90% top marginal tax rate “punishing?” Most ordinary dirt people would say No if they really understood what that means.
Most people apparently don’t grasp the concept of a marginal tax rate.
In a highly regulated society having slightly more than someone else means you live high off the hog significantly more than in a world where anything goes and nothing matters. The signals to show you lord it over another so you don’t have to deal with the black void that is you become cheaper.
It is all about social position and people are willing to marginalize the value of their souls to elbow ahead of the other guy.
But you know this. You tax at 100% don’t you Ol’ Scratch.
Yes, payment in full upon ghosthood is the customary agreement. Pooches are given a pass, but then again they’re not dumb enough to make such agreements in the first place.
‘An old man and a hound-dog named Rip, off for an evening’s pleasure in quest of raccoon. Usually, these evenings end with one tired old man, one battle-scarred hound dog, and one or more extremely dead raccoons, but as you may suspect, that will not be the case tonight. These hunters won’t be coming home from the hill. They’re headed for the backwoods—of The Twilight Zone.
As the story proceeds Hyder Simpson both get taken down in the the coon hunt, drowned by a coon. Nasty critters. After they are dead they walk along the dirt road between this world and eternity you stopped them pretending to be nice and helpful. Told Hyder right this way over the hill but that Rip had to go to special dog heaven. Hyder would have none of it and would not be parted from Rip. They stayed on the path together. No heaven that would not have a dog would have him. You knew Rip was starting to smell the Brimstone over the hill and would not let Hyder go that way. Later they meet the real angel, not you.
‘The angel says, “You see, Mr. Simpson, a man, well, he’ll walk right into Hell with both eyes open. But even the Devil can’t fool a dog!” As the angel leads Hyder along the Eternity Road toward Heaven, he tells Hyder that a square dance and raccoon hunt are scheduled for that night. He assures Hyder that Rachel, who will soon be coming along the road, will not be misled by you.
OK, I’ll play the silly fool here and agree with you just for the sake of argument. Let’s just say what if Trump actually DID collude with Russia to get elected and that said collusion was actually effective. So WHAT? Are they, supposedly second rate power that poses little or no threat to the greatest Super Power on Earth, really so powerful that they could determine an outcome that by all accounts HRC should have won in a landslide? Do her supporters not realize how much further pathetic and ineffectual such accusations make her appear, especially since we know for damn sure that she was employing every dirty trick in the book with the considerable aide of a sitting president and her own spousal former president on this side of the pond as well? I dare say that the fact that Trump is now and has always been corrupt to his very core is no surprise to anyone who voted for Trump or simply withheld their vote for HRC. Maybe they just figured that turnabout was not only fair play, but a delicious just dessert savored piping hot on the night of the would be Queen’s coronation?
This one was addressed to C-Wolf’s comment, which has apparently been deleted.
Pretty much. I doubt there was any serious active collusion with the Russians to secure Trump’s victory, but there may have been passive collusion to the extent that the Trump team knew that Russia was using the Internet and social media to inflame this country’s intense polarization and make a Trump victory more likely, and did nothing to discourage this.
But I think the social-media outrage mob over the Covington Catholic Boys fake-news story demonstrated one thing all too well: If there are foreign powers such as Russia, China, and Iran who are using the Internet to make the division in this country much worse, the brutal truth is that both sides of that division are all too willing to make it very easy for these powers to do that. 🙁
Welcome to Reality boyz. As if America hasn’t been influencing everyone for generatons. As if Israel and Greater Israel leaves America and Europe alone. As if the Chinese aren’t now coming on very strong, the Muslims as well using Saudi oil bucks, etc, etc.
If we were even slightly sane, we’d be pressuring Putin to stop persecuting White Nationalists and give up his fantasy of a resurrected Soviet Union that would be full of no longer cowed Muslims, warrior races from both the Caucasus region and Central Asia.
Well there you have it. If Trump can collude with Russia, then it is clear that the next Democratic candidate can collude with China. Since trump is doing his very best to disrupt China’s ascendancy, then clearly a cooperative DNC would be like dollar signs in their eyes. Get rid of of Trump’s tariffs, get their 5G gear into every corner of the world, make sure they take the lead in AI. Reverse everything Trump has done or been trying to do. I’m sure that aside from letting blacks and women vote, this will go down in history as the greatest strengthening of democracy ever. At the convention we could have booths for all the foreign powers. There could be a China tent, a Russia tent, a Mexican tent…with a wall around it of course. When Trump accepts the nomination, they could play “The Hymn for Red October.” Then in a surprise announcement Mike Pence would be replaced with the oligarch Deripaska, the aluminum magnate, because after all who wouldn’t want a Russian billionaire on the ticket. Of course tit for tat, Xi’s niece would run with Kamala Harris.
They all collude with whomever can help them. But generally speaking, they’re all smart enough to know that the best and the brightest of the opinion manipulators live right here in the land of delusion. Why go overseas for a cheap knockoff when you can get the best influence money can buy right here on DC’s K Street at competitive prices? Your view of how DC works is hopelessly naive.
You’re the type of person who would defend Catholic priests. You get a rise out of defending the indefensible; it’s practice for you. If you’ve met one Trumptard, you’ve met them all. You cannot have an American campaign cooperating with a foreign government. That is not how everyone does it. Everyone else when approached by foreign governments immediately went to the FBI. That’s a fact. “Everyone would take that call.” No, not really. Only Donald Trump would take that call. Only his campaign would not report it. Only his campaign would then lie about it for years. Your argument that everyone does it is pure Trumptard spewing, orange gruel with bits of truth thrown in for flavor. My naivete? Your complicity is what you’re trying to say, it’s just hard to get out of a sideways mouth.
Wow, I think you are TDS Patient Zero. It seems to have symptoms consistent with Rabies and Diarrhea.
How much did Clinton take from China again? And how much did Hillary take on that Russian rare earth deal? Juan Valdez sputters in non-classic Spanish.
Seawolfie77, STILL winning friends and influencing people one “Trumptard” at a time.
I’ll take uranium sales for 500, Alex.
Then the Podesta Group for 1000.
Yes, Hillary should have won. Why can’t everyone see how much better off we would have been. If it weren’t for Trump’s nefarious drops Re: her supposed criminal past, we would be in a much better place. Thank the Enlightened One, she will have another chance!
Of course she should have won. Like Gore should have won. This retarded electoral college, with us because of slavery, should be abolished. Why design a system where the minority rules? It is patently stupid. Like I’ve said many times, we live in LBJ’s world. When he gave blacks civil rights he ceded the South for the next hundred years to the racist party. If you take the states south of the Mason Dixon line over to Texas that is 142 electoral college votes en masse. That is more than half of what you need.If you add in the plains states which are also consistently red and West Virginia and Kentucky you are approaching 200. When Trump talks about this great electoral victory, he is lying through his teeth.
However he won, thank God he did. Anyone who thinks we would have been better off with that crazy bitch in charge is so full of TDS as to be delusional.
TDS is a spiritual AIDS.
You’ve got that wrong. AIDS is a spiritual STD.You catch it by sleeping with someone who is attracted to the likes of you. Can you fucking imagine what that creature would be like. Look like. Think like. The only thing we know for sure is that it would be white. A marshmallow maybe? I’m just spitballing here.
Thank God. I think you’re pointed in the wrong direction.
Will everyone please fucking STOP using obscure acronyms like TDS and phrases like “nefarious drops.” What does “drops” mean? Drops of what?
Because only a minority are intelligent and informed. Because mob rule is a recipe for disaster.
Too many Seadolt77 simpletons, you know, the Dunning-Kruegerians, stupid people that think they’re intelligent because they can use a three syllable word, often incorrectly, from time-to-time?
Numero Culo to the rescue. Recipe for disaster. Mob rule. Simpletons. Stupid people. Three syllable word. You’re so cliche if they named a perfume after you it would smell like air. Cliche- you think you’ve smelt it, but you never have. Don’t ever be afraid to be …Cliche. So dull, bland and uninteresting you just have to breathe it.
Says the shmuck that used 3 synonyms as if they conveyed different meaning.
Dunning Kruger strikes again
They do. You’re dull, as a knife with no edge. You’re bland like gruel. And you’re uninteresting, like a tree stump.
with a spin on how the Georgia election of 2018 was rigged by malign forces to prevent her victory.
So a blatant voter-suppression rampage personally orchestrated by her opponent doesn’t qualify as malign in your book? Or are you merely only selectively paying attention again?
That’s OK. The dreamers and undocumented civic denizens brought the balance back into her favor. Oh, I wasn’t supposed to mention undocumented.
venuspluto67 That is a complete lie. A total fabrication. The Georgia gubernatorial election was not rigged in any way. She lost by 55,000 votes. Period. No rigging. No voter suppression. She should have lost by a lot more. $200,000 in school loans, $50,000 in back taxes. The woman can’t handle her own finances, much less the state of Georgia which has a balanced budget law on the books. She came as close as she did due to all the liberals in the cities, a lot of which aren’t Southerners, they moved in from lala land. Kemp had his own fiscal problems too, but just like Trump vs Hillary, he was the lesser of two evils. I fear the next election in Georgia will be going blue, though still by a small margin. She wouldn’t have come as close as she did without liberal whites support. Black people will vote for any black candidate, no matter what. She was/is relatively articulate, but gun control and freebie welfare promises won’t work for smart, rural, small town, hard working voters who are watching their country go to hell in a hand basket.
“Watching their country go to hell in a hand basket…” I know exactly the kind of people you are talking about. They think they know exactly the right way to live and they want to shove their stick up their ass utopia right down your throat. Self-righteous to a murderous fault, they will kill you or incarcerate you or worse if you don’t tow the line because you’re in their backyard. That’s why what happened to the Saints so goddamned poetic in its irony. The country told Louisiana you’re in my backyard now and we’re going to fuck you in your ass because we enjoy it and it’s the way we say it’s gonna be and there ain’t a fuckin thing you can do about it. And you know what? No one in Louisiana got it. Nobody. They even sued the league. That’s funny. Like the league is going to buckle to a bunch of idiots who can dish it out but can’t take it.
The kind of people I’m talking about are the salt of the earth. The backbone of this country. Hell, these people are the back bone of the whole goddamned planet. Myself, I don’t want to tell anyone how to live. I don’t want anyone telling me how to live. That goes for snowflakes like you, right wing MIC types, jack leg preachers, nobody.
What the heck is a “jack leg preacher?”
Same as a “jack leg mechanic,” only dealing in Bible verses instead of auto repair. That is to say, untrained.
As far as the government being able to issue all the money they want to issue, there is the problem of inflation. There is a natural constraint in that when confidence is lost in the currency, confidence is lost in the government as well.
It has seemed since the 1960s that our government has been able to walk the tightrope between inflation and natural austerity, but the pension chickens are coming home to roost – the wheel is still in spin.
It is unfortunate that we can no longer dig up the corpses of miscreants and put them on trial, but who knows, fashions change. I can think of quite a few that deserved much worse while wearing their flesh, but their lies were so seductive.
Re: my 12:23: That was supposed to be an initial post, not a reply.
Everyone talks about how OUR fiat currency must follow the inevitable arc of all fiat currencies without mentioning the big Dumbo in the room. ‘merica has the largest, most expensive military in the world. Who’s going to complain?
Who’s going to complain?
I don’t know, better ask Putin about it.
Putin openly dumps US Treasuries and buys gold, and makes others follow his lead – like Venezuelan Maduro.
Wow, two of the most important economies in the world!
https://www.thebalance.com/world-currency-3305931
We mericans get to dilute our inflation across the globe. We can ride this crazy susan for a long, long time.
Oh, and maybe I should aks Hillary, I hear she has a direct line. It appears the bear was putin it to her. OMG, I’m the funniest guy in the room.
While that is true, America famously only fights 3rd world countries and pushovers, not anybody who would put up a real fight. Sometimes still they can’t win, like Vietnam. Those people could fight. Dumbo can still get his ass kicked. Most of our projected might depends on aircraft carriers and many countries have spent billions of dollars to know those out a priori. And lately our weapon systmes have sucked to high heaven. The F-35 is a disaster.The F-22 has never flown in combat and it’s 20 years old. It’s still killing our pilots and they still don’t know why.
nice slide lobo marino
Seawolf
The USA never lost a single battle in Vietnam. But lost the war. The why is simple.
Military Industrial Complex portion of the Deep State.
The Tonkin Gulf incident was a total fabrication, that started it.
The TET offensive, in which we lost so many guys, was a joke. The MIC so underestimated the opposition it was sad. Our intelligence community sucked.
The Nixon offensive in 72, was a good example of our number one ineptitude. Not putting in a final surrender of NVA led us to our surrender in 73.
We start wars but never figure out what victory means. Over and over. Korea, Vietnam, Balkans, Iraq twice, Afghanistan, all kinds of justification but no idea when we have won.
The intelligence community is always right in the middle of the deceptions, always. All the folks who mistrust the government, with good reason, should realize that lots of really bad decisions are made because the Intelligence groups are so full of BS.
War is all out, 100%. When you declare war on someone, you are in disagreement with them about something. If one soldier’s life is lost then the only right answer is like WW2. Unconditional surrender. Korea, absorption of NOKO into Korea. Vietnam, destruction of Hanoi and Haiphong and execution of Ho Chi Minh, Iraq 1, destruction of Hussein’s rule, execution of Saddam, and implementation of an Islamic republic similar to ours, Afghanistan, burn out all the poppy fields, destroy the elite of the Taliban, and put in a Islamic Republic similar to ours.
We need to totally crush the enemy into submission, then rebuild the country in our image pasted onto their culture. Just like Germany and Japan.
If a plan to totally destroy the enemy’s ability to renew warfare is not part of the war’s initiation plan,then congress should cut off funds.
Are you in favor of that or just speaking theoretically? Cuz to do so means swimming in oceans of blood.
Guerilla War is very cost effective. And the only battle you have to win is the last one – if even!
The Afghans have destroyed one White army after another. The Russians one Western Invader after another. Similarly, but in a different context, Israel is doomed, their only recourse would be to nuke the Arabs who are winning the demographic war. But that would be to expose themselves once and for all time. Some of the Zionist Founding Father implored their followers to remove all of the Arabs – but they didn’t dare because the world was watching. Oh fatal error!
Janos
My point is
Fight any war to completion which is annihilation of the other side, yes bloodbaths,
Or do not start.
Thank God you have no power then. You worship the Military Industrial Complex and illusory good old daze.
“Who’s going to complain?”
Especially when they are devaluing their currencies at comparable rates or greater. The USA is the 800 pound gorilla of economies and if we pipe the tune everyone else has to dance.
The inflation can still have effects as people try to escape its drag, but they do not have to be catastrophic. MMT will work as long as the people can be convinced to comply – which most will do. Compliance is not the same as believing.
American dollar would have seized to exist as international currency in early 1970s after Nixon famous gold decision if not for Soviet leadership who decided to support dollar at all cost, like making a large grain purchases and refusing to sell Russian oil for rubles, only for dollars.
I think the main reason for that was the desire of traitorous KGB and Communist party bureaucracy to “privatize” Soviet property and take their new fortunes to the West.
By the way, back then the decision was made to support US with space technology and not to disclose details about the fake Moon landing.
good sarcasm from fink, who’dathunkit
Finc is a Russian Space Monkey implanted with a human brain, the brain of a nerdy factory worker.
I can’t believe there are people who still think there’s a moon.
Looks like Trump had one butt cheek and Pence the other. Nice teamwork! == Scratch
Pence, becoming vice-president, openly declared that Dick Cheney was a model for him, who in 2016 openly called on Republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton, and then played a fatal role in Michael Flynn’s tragedy, and therefore in that a year after winning the election, Trump did not have his own administration.
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/17/19-flynn-pence.w700.h700.jpg
LOL! I think an updated version of that famous Lloyd Bentsen debate zinger of yesteryear might apply to Pence:
“Sir, I knew Dick Cheney, I was waterboarded by Dick Cheney, and I knew people who were shot in the face personally by Dick Cheney, and YOU sir are NO Dick Cheney!
That’s hilarious Ol’Scratch!
…Anyway, both sides are marinated in delusion these days…
Yes, the Dems think money grows on trees and the Pubs think the empire is still sustainable.
The “delusion” spewed forth by the MSM 24/7 is pure propaganda. Anyone who subscribes to it without question is a pawn.
Or a Democrat.
The latest scam here in Nevada, is that after paying $1200/month for health insurance, $1500 copay hosp. ($500 copay ER, $50 copay UC), you receive a whopping bill from the attending doctors because they are not in-network even though the facility is.
We, as a a nation, need a name change. How about USA, “United Scams of America” The hollowing out and asset striping of the middle class continues unabated without much of a whimper.
Meanwhile,
After being exposed by Professor Mark Skidmore of having $21 trillion of unallocated funds pass from the Treasury through the DOD and HUD as “undocumentable adjustments” to some unknown entity, the US government has now declared through FASB Rule 56 that the federal budget is a matter of national security and real numbers do not need to be provided. Fraud!
Meanwhile, the MSM either ignores this story or sugarcoats it with some superficial faux explanation.
Meanwhile we need to get prepared to send our sons and daughters to war for these fraudsters. Trumping up war is something both political parties and the MSM unanimously agree on and jubilantly support.
That’s a World Black Project in a chemically pure form, and the goal is not so much to make money, but to deny “profaine” (deplorables) medical care.
American medical problem could not be solved by insurance reform or by “Medicare for all”, it only could be solved by a new Pecora Commission working alongside the firing squads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecora_Commission
Sadly, true. But we all know that’s not going to happen at this stage of the game.
LOL! Let’s face it, the Pentagon boys were never going to surrender to a bunch of accountants. They’ve got guns, nukes, and all them other neat toys, for crying out loud!
For sure! The Pentagon boys also have Wall Street and the banks behnd them! Kind of like “You’ll trade your oil using dollars or we’ll kill you!” But have no fear, our Fourth Estate is on the job shedding darkness on the light.
Because in reality the people who affect to be Elite are actually savages.
It appears that lawyers representing the Covington fellas are suing for defamation. Letters have been sent out yadda yadda, as soon as this thing hit the airwaves you could hear lawyers sharpening their knives. Should be entertaining.
Uhh Jim,
Its “LGBTQ” NOT “LBGTQ.” You could be sued for such a grievous representation! Everyone knows that the G’s joined up before the B’s, and if you doubt it, you can see that their party card has a lower number. Of course if you disagree, you’re just a Patriarchal Hater, and no one will like you until you attend 18 weeks of Sensitivity Training.
To help you remember, here’s a song with a tune that you may remember from the early days of TV. I am assured that the words have always been the same…
Mickey LGBTQ
(With apologies to ex-mousketeers everywhere, even though they are all Patriarchal Oppressors)
1. Come along and sing the song promoted by the few—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ
Get your thumbs all ready for the turning of the screw—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ*
*(Chorus) L G B (LGB!)
T and Q (T and Q!)
You’d best agree with all we say or else! (Else! Else! Else!)
2. Time to Snark at Patriarchs, and then we’ll prob’ly sue—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ
We’ll protest and shout them down whate’er they say or do—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ*
3. Hey There! Hi There! Ho There! You’re unwelcome as the flu—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ
Dating of the opposite sex is what you must not do—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ*
We won’t stop until the nation’s all torn down and through—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ
SJ-Dubs are on the rise—Who’ll stop em? Won’t be you—
M I C K E Y LGBTQ*
Good beat, good lyrics, easy to dance to, I give it a 9.
That’s good. But don’t try submitting it to Disney.
brh
SJ-Dubs on the rise so watch out or suffer through 18 weeks of re-education boot camp!!
Brexit? Of course. Brexit or Break it.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o’erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O’erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill’d with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof!
Fathers that, like so many Alexanders,
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument:
Dishonour not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you call’d fathers did beget you.
Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
And teach them how to war. And you, good yeoman,
Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game’s afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry “God for Harry, England, and Saint George!
JS: The enemy has rap songs and pc interpretations of the the Bible. We have Shakespeare. We’ve won – we need only CLAIM our Victory.
Henry V – Act 3 Scene 1, W Shakespeare (When you pretend to grow a brain I strain) There’s a rhyme.
Why the hate? You must hate having born into the Builder Race – depriving you of Marxist street cred or sumthin.
What a world.
Old war paint is more important than the lives of 1000s of babies.
https://wtkr.com/2019/02/04/embattled-northam-tells-cabinet-he-wont-resign-and-be-known-as-a-racist-for-life/
Yes, we have Shakespeare. And Marlowe, and Milton, and Hobbes, and John Donne, and Kipling etc. But how’s that stack up with Snoop Dog, Tupac, and Biggy Smalls?
brh
You forgot Nicki Minaj ;-).
Kardi B
Part of me– the dark, totalitarian & animalistic part of me (and yea, you all got one fellow CFers), wants Trump to stride to the podium imperiously and declare that yes, he IS a Russian agent, you motherfuckers! and then pull off his suit to expose a Russian officer’s uniform underneath.
It would all be rather entertaining, anyway.
Probably not going to happen because:
It is a gigantic lie by the MSM and the Left.
Maybe not animalistic? I can see dark and possibly totalitarian.
You are right Mr. K. Neither “party” knows what to do about the future so in a tiresome and boring fashion they both retreat to their respective safe spaces of self-sustained lies and echo chambers. All the while, the country outside of Versailles on the Potomac moves forward under grueling circumstances as new crops of disenchanted folk are sifted from the corn of Flyovadystopia. There isn’t anything wrong with a little caring and sharing. And why not do some reverse asset-stripping from the one to the ninety-nine? The first order of business should be to bulldoze all immoral walls and doors in the land. Such relicts of the 14th century should be ground to dust. We can all live outside together holding hands and singing praises of ecstatic love, joy and togetherness (even when its -40F or 140F). Let’s start this project in Potomac, Maryland! Then, why even talk about taxes anymore? Why can’t we just take everything from the one percent? Let them have a little dog food with a smidge of ketchup for dinner sometimes to catch up with the Joneses ;-). Your posts are always so rich I could go on and on and on. Like Adam Levine. He is so dreamy, but that MS-13esque tattooed torso is truly a tragedy. And that 70’s upholstery he wore!!!! Life is cruel sometimes.
Hey, SSL.
You talk about bulldozing all the walls and going Kumbaya.
In Oder, bulldoze:
Obama’s wall
Pelosi’s Wall
Schumer’s wall
Hillary’s wall
Clooney’s wall
The White House Wall
The Capitol wall
Maxine’s Wall
Feinstein’s Wall
There is a start. Put your money where you mouth is Dems.
Great start to the list John!!! But we should add some Repubs for fair and balanced purposes ;-). Like Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake, Mitch McConnell, John Kasich, all Bushes, etc…
Regardless of what Trump does on Tuesday, he has gotta make it entertaining.
Fiscal policies & troop deployment.. meh.. that’s so 2018, man
He’s gotta entertain. Nobody gives a shit what these politicians actually propose anymore, as long as they entertain. That’s all that matters.
It doesn’t matter if somebody like Ocasio-Cortez actually believes solar & wind energy could have provided the heat in a place like here in Minnesota when it was damned near unlivable at -60 or -80 F or whatever it was. She danced sexy in a college video, and guys wanna fuck her. That’s all that matters. She’s entertaining.
The Mall of the Americas is so big getting rid of heat is a problem. Even in winter. But if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. I’ll agree, when somebody figures out nobody bakes the bread; that nobody runs the show. When somebody figures out that they can cash in and get a little by pretending to be in charge because there is nobody to stop them from above or below, no thunderbolts, no pitchforks. Well then.
They should at least be entertaining.
What if we wore stillsuits or rubber diving suits with internal heating? We’d just have to plug in once or twice a day to charge the battery – which would also charge our brain chip. Give every homeless one of these and they would laugh at the weather – as if they were wearing London Fog. Soon “homed” people would be cashing out, eager to live the cyber life on the streets. Steampunk demands hi tech in other areas. Coal may be King but He will not be God.
You may laugh, Janos.
There was an erstwhile contributor to the comments section of the Graun, particularly the environmental section, who went by the name of Teratornis. He’s long disappeared from the Graun, but he seemed to be American and from somewhere with really cold winters.
I’m light green, but this guy was deep, dark green. He had no heating of any kind in his house, but he had developed his own eco-clothing that had some kind of heating incorporated, on the basis that it is way, way cheaper to warm a person than it is to warm a house (perhaps he had a Passivhaus too, I’ve no idea).
Wouldn’t be practical if you kept pets, obviously, unless you dressed them similarly. 😹
oops, cat didn’t work.
Out in Minnesota, how do your Somali guests like the extreme cold weather? I figure they must like it a lot because many of them are moving further north into Canada, where it is even colder. Or maybe welfare payments are better, I don’t know.
brh
“…expect at least forty minutes of national self-esteem therapy, which nobody will believe. ”
But they do believe. Greatest nation, shining city on the hill.
Jingoism, exceptionalism, progressive, land of the nothing is free and home of the brave waging wars on failed 3rd world states.
Where the dream is alive with a 5000 calorie frapabetes peddler now running for chief imbecile.
Even a gallon of espresso couldn’t put life into this guy.
Bette Midler said:
“Howard Schultz is a reminder of how wealthy, opinionated white guys are just like Starbucks: there’s one on every f—ing corner”.
Bill Maher said something like, just because he had the profitable insight that people would overpay for coffee, doesn’t mean he can run the world.
Bette and Phil should be asked one simple question.
Who in the Democratic crazy party is more qualified to be President than Howard Schultz. At least he has run a successful organization.
Let’s see, OAC, Liz Warren, Kama Harris, Bernie Sanders, Corey Booker, you name it, none have ever run anything or been responsible for a payroll. Michael Moore summed it up well, AOC should be leader of the Democrats. He is crazy!
All the crazies seem to be able to do is name call.
Think of it. Schultz vs, Trump. Both of them repudiate the current parties. We start out with two new parties based on good economic principles and business techniques instead of political BS.
Good idea?
In principle, yes. We could have a Coffee Party and a Tea Party, but we’d need some cuts in government spending.
Actually, Mayor DeBlasio said it.
I don’t know maybe he isn’t so bad. If “progessives” hate him he must have done something right.
Out in Chicago … have any arrests been made yet in the violent assault of black, gay actor Jussie Smollett? If the answer is no, then you have 2 homophobic, racist MAGA wearing white criminals roaming the streets carrying nooses and bottles of bleach in -50dF weather, scouring the city late at night for marginalized people to terrorize in the name of President Trump. That the CPD have not arrested anybody yet is proof of their racism and homophobia.
brh
Best Democracy money can buy!
Michael Bloomberg’s Secret Plans to Take Down Trump
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/bloomberg-building-data-organization-crush-trump/581710/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=5c55bebf00bd4700017d440f_ta&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21VlxOAmL-dzlMU2CVF_E2jq6iGRT4odLz3A549q-ctAPD28plqcYLL54
And this dirt bag, after saying “I’d do her”, wants us to believe that he thought “do” meant to have a personal relationship! He’s a load of shit tightly wrapped in money.
The portraiture of a sudden defeat
Pelosi: No wall money in border security legislation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkkALERseU4
“the pelt of a giant ground sloth”. Great stuff Jim. I’ll go with Vin Diesel’s fur coat any day.
Someone said Big Boi’s entrance was epic. I guess a rapping gorilla looking like some washed out, baseball player pimp dressed in pajamas mounting the stage covered in fur Could be called epic.
Disaster of a half time show. Truly representative of America. Diverse, shallow, tatted and vapid.
I’d love to see Trump come out tomorrow, flanked by generals and admirals and say, “Enough of this shit, this is a national emergency, Mueller is finished, I’m the President, the wall is going up and this fucking circus is over”!
Wishful thinking TS.
Wrong John! I was told…”Your wish is my command”. SO, I am expecting it to happen.
I love this post :-).
Disaster of a half time show. Truly representative of America. Diverse, shallow, tatted and vapid. – tucs
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The moment the second quarter ended I flipped to a boxing match on ESPN. I refuse to bless these ridiculous halftime shows with my attention.
Knock out move.
I’ve recently been listening to some of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s speeches from days when it was the Left that seemed rational and reasonable. I’ve also been listening to Reverend Jim Jones’ sermons.
I think that these mass movements may be blunt, crude totalitarian instruments of power aggrandizement? The nincompoop Mass of simple-minded, Low IQ people are aroused by a Utopian vision with the Leader pounding them relentlessly with pious empty moral platitudes, such as Peace, Love, Justice, and Brotherhood. The Leader typically believes in the Utopian Vision, but the movement enables the Leader to aggregate Power, which is very corrupting and then eventually the Utopian Movement goes off the rails and bat shit crazy.
I suspect that what the Civil Rights Movement may have really been about was miscegenation? The White Supremecists may have been using Segregation as a Wall to prevent miscegenation and to keep the blacks down? Dr. King never mentions miscegenation in his “Dream”. All “Dreams” are ultimately Freudian Dreams. Dr. King’s Dream was a Plantation with the antebellum miscegenation that gave birth to the Negro out of the African, but without the brutal oppression?
Lot of young ‘uns in the burbs seeing all those tatts on display last night at the Superbowl are thinking, “That’s cool, I’m gonna get me some tatts too!”
brh
Nothing like a fat, pudgy kid decorated with skulls, snakes and devils putting the fear of God into you. Yikes, he’s “Born to Raise Hell”!
How about a performer with CALIFORNIA tatted across his abdomen?
According to the book “Surveillance Capitalism”, they now have “Smart” tattoos with sensors that vacuum up your data. Didn’t they tattoo the prisoners in Au…such…witz?
Just think of how all that will look in 20 years. Some tatts can be sexy but lawd that really gets to the point of gawdy and too much.
Gawdy?
I give you Cheryl Cole (erstwhile girl group singer Cheryl Tweedy of Girls Aloud or something, later WAG*, now I think just ‘TV personality’ or something.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NINTCHDBPICT0000274521081-e1530527251906.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1
*Don’t know if WAGS are called WAGs over your way – footballers’ Wives And Girlfriends. Her Top Footballer was a love-rat (really, what were the chances?!) which is why she’s an ex-WAG.
Trumptards elected somebody who said he would work his ass off for them, would work so hard he’d never play golf and never leave the White House, someone who would not care how hard or how long it took, he would grind whatever grit the mill required. For the last 2 months he’s clocked in 300 hours of executive time, which loosely translated means watching TV, tweeting, and calling friends to shoot the shit. He’s a full-time freeloader. Soon the full head of steam that Obama left this retard with will dissipate and the economy will tank, the stock market already has, he’ll be impeached or resign, and the world will stop praying for him to choke on a cheeseburger. Amen.
Got any tatts?
You mean the 1.7% GDP growth rate and falling that Obama left behind because he regulated and taxed the US into low growth.
Really? So now you want to start praying? Remember seawolf. The Lord works in mysterious ways. What would you do if the full-time freeloader is your President for four more years lol?
“I have a very big brain. Very big. Yuge. I have very good genes, and that’s why I have such a big brain. My uncle, an MIT professor, he also had a big brain. He knew more about nuclear than nuclear scientists. Why? Big brain. Biiiiiiiiig brain” Trump says pointing to his orange head.
“Mother”
Uh oh…where are you going with this ;-)?
Seawolf, tatted across the right bicep.
No, he has a dancing boy that gyrates when he flexes his minimal bicep.
We knew Hillary’s intimate photos, lifted by Russians from her server, were bound to surface:
Russian Navy has new weapon that makes targets hallucinate, vomit: report
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/428346-russian-navy-has-new-weapon-that-makes-target-hallucinate-and-vomit-report
All you crypto currency fans better watch out.
Gerald Cotten of QuadrigaCX died from a chronic disease. The problem? Customers are trying to get their $190 million dollars out of the company. Gerald died without leaving behind the passwords for the encrypted funds. Oops!
Idea for a new Super Hero who saves Hookers: “Super John”. He’s a Progressive Democrat.
Super John cums to the rescue.
Tommy Lee talked Pam Anderson into getting some tatts on a trip on Asia. Sure, why not, we’re young, rich and famous? Let’s do it!
She’s come down with a bad case of hep C on account of those tatts, which has destroyed her liver and will probably shorten her life. She’s no longer young, and her and Tommy Lee hate each other. She still has the tatts, but probably no longer think they are cool. They have a son and the son recently beat the sh-t out of Tommy Lee. Needless to say the love affair is long over, but like in many relationships, tatts outlive the commitment. Tatts, a dirty home made movie, and a rebellious son are all that is left.
brh
She loves Julian Assange now and I think she went to Ecquador to “help” him a while back.
Tatts, a dirty home made movie, and a rebellious son are all that is left. – BRH
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WOW! Thanks for the update. Who knew?
Hey, you heard it here first, Q.
Brh
What about the fake beasts? How are they doing?
Speaking of “Smart” tattoos, do any of you CFNers have experience with “Smart” medical devices that vacuum up all of your confidential medical information and sell it to third parties?
I’m having trouble programming my “User Profile” for my new “Smart” rectal thermometer. Thank you
Ewwwwww why are you being super gross tonight????
Have you ever noticed that ideas, phenomena that appear profound at a superficial level appear absurd and ridiculous at a much deeper level?
And, contrariwise, superficial ideas, phenomena that often appear absurd and ridiculous at a superficial level are often profound at a deeper level? For example, Aunt Bee…
Some SJWs are getting Ruth Bader Ginsburg tatts … RGB, with a likeness of Ruth on the shoulder. That tatt will be there 50 years from now, wrinkled up, when nobody will remember who RGB was. “Who’s RGB, grandmother?” some little one will ask in the year 2070. Then they’ll have to go into this long abstruse explanation who RGB was, and why her likeness is tattooed on her shoulder. “Its was like a talisman to keep her alive for just 2 years, just two more years …”
brh
Aunt Bee and Ruth Bader Ginsburg….
The Quotes of Chairman Mao….
The Quotes of Ruth Bader Ginsburg….
The Quotes of Aunt Bee….
Learn from Aunt Bee….
Study Aunt Bee Thought….
Free Bill Cosby….
Just wait. The dead fetus tat will be all the rage.
Happy Chinese New Year!
Google’s Paradise: China. Materialistic High IQ population with Marxist proclivity to worship Technology as the new Religion with no cultural sense, or even remote expectation of a Right to Privacy. Google and Facebook and all of the totalitarian IT weirdos will all go to China to roll out all of their “Smart” gadgets, “Smart” toasters, “Smart” underwear, “Smart” dildos, “Smart” rectal thermometers.
Hey all you Trump haters.
I have enjoyed the search for a candidate to run against Trump in 2020 and noted the dearth of really qualified candidates. The Dems MSM have tried to criticize Trump for not being qualified, but their list to date makes Trump appear to be well qualified. IMHO, there are two qualified by prior experience folks in the Dems, Biden and gasp, HRC.
The Dems are so far Left, they do not recognize a true new kid in town, Howard Schultz. He is a legitimate counter for Trump and has not fallen into the Progressive trap like so many others.
One advantage to the moderate Dems is his ability to fund himself. Like Trump, he is not going to be obligated to the insane elements on the Leftist side of his party and even more so, less obligated to George Soros and the globalist forces. I, for one, am waiting to hear his opinions on the economy and foreign policy.
You and I both know that the republicans and the democrats are both garbage, don’t we John? What we need is something else. I am kicking around the idea of forming a Trump Hater/Trump Lover Party, comprised of both those who hate the man and those that support him. Sounds impossible, right? Well it probably is, but nonetheless if it cannot be accomplished then the country is finished, kaput! Here’s how it works.
Trump haters must be made to realize that Trump won because of them, yes the democrats are responsible because it was they who chose HRC over Bernie, and Bernie would have won. I don’t even like the guy, but I and many others are certain he would have beaten DJT. I will not listen to that Electoral College bullshit because if she had won using it, it would have been all shits and giggles. Just like the no call football thing, those who won loved it, those who lost will whine about it until their dying day. Get over it lefties, DJT is YOUR fault.
The Trump lovers on the other hand do not really like him, nobody likes him and I don’t think that anybody ever did. But the republicans were garbage and everyone they put up was garbage, and anybody they will ever put up will be garbage and the only one that ever wins when it comes to garbage is the garbage man himself. Those who support Trump are only on his side because he clearly is fighting both the Dumbos AND the Jackasses. Anyone that cannot see that is either on the party payroll or too simple to understand how badly we are all being played.
So why don’t we all get together and form this THTL party and next time around put up a candidate that will continue to show how worthless democrats and republican really are but not piss off as many of the American people as DJT does? Sound like a plan?
Yeah, I know, I won’t hold my breath waiting for it……
Yup!
The real problem is the public.
A democratic republic IS its people. To form a third or fourth party, it will take a groundswell of public opinion to change anything.
How can a groundswell happen when the primary opinion generators, the media are in cahoots with the Deep State. Until the public becomes aware, independently, of how they are being played by the Deep State, no change will happen.
Trump was a reaction of a group of the public to elect a third option outside of the Deep State, but, like Carter, he is being overwhelmed.
Our drift
To the Left is continuing due to Leftist interference in education and immigration.
I agree with most of the CFNers that the USA is drifting toward oblivion. The drift to the Left champions the overthrow of the US Constitution and its replacement with a Communistic form of gimme government.
The primary driver was identified for quite a while. Income inequality is generating the have havenot war that is brewing.
Totally agree about the Electoral College bushwah. The Dems are acting all surprised about it as if it hasn’t been in place for generations.
The plain facts are well, pretty plain. Hard as it was to find a worse candidate than Trump, the Democrats managed it. Hard as it was to fuck up an election campaign so massively, the Democrats managed that too.
President DJT was entirely avoidable. As you say to lefties, DJT is their fault. But having said that, it was also the fault of a Republican Party that’s been talking shit for decades, touting their corn dog eating of-the-people-for-the people-ness while their actions are four-square against the people they pretend to be for.
So you want a coalition of Trump haters and Trump lovers? Not hard to find actually. The people that Bernie attracted with his platform and utterances had much the same economic agenda as Trump and his supporters.
And, if you’re looking for international legitimacy, you would find it with Brexiters and Yellow Jackets and various nationalist parties in Europe.
“Populism” is in bad odor with – cough – “progressives” and their allies in the lame-stream media (or presstitutes and PCR calls them) equating populism as they do with racism and fascism. But that’s just cheap libel and slander because this modern day populism bears no resemblance to what happened in the 1930s.
And what is this populism but the opposite of elitism? What are populists doing but speaking up for ordinary people? And what have elites and their coterie of – gag – experts inflicted? It’s impossible to miss, to anyone with functioning eyeballs, it’s right under their noses.
Totally agree about the Electoral College bushwah. The Dems are acting all surprised about it as if it hasn’t been in place for generations.
volodya,
No kidding. HRC’s book title was perfect, but I can fix it better for her:
Wha’ happened? I had Jimmy Sancticomious and “Collusive Andy” McCabe on my team! Dam’ Deplorables!
Yeah, all tiresome. EC disbandment, 25th Amendment, head doctor games, Russia-sniffing … all so stupid and childish that it would be colossally embarrassing for a fifth-world country … and unimaginable that one of the two primary political parties in the USA has gotten up to this. But I see the same games being played in Europe, too. All of these nitwits are using the same playbook, now easily shared courtesy of the internet.
Cheers
Yeah, wha’ happened … – what you said.
Despite the best efforts of law enforcement and intelligence agencies – the pointy end of the Deep State – HRC still lost. This loss was despite the fact that these vaunted institutions, who never let small issues of propriety and legality get in the way, with all their power to surveil, to harass, to produce spurious charges, to cover-up blatant illegality, still couldn’t bend the election.
Despite millions spent to dig up dirt on Trump, in Russia no less, none of it was worth a damn. No matter that it was garbage, it played a prominent role in courts to obtain warrants, an offense that somehow appears to pass legal muster, something for which nobody’s gonna pay.
Is this failure of the Deep State to subvert an election a compliment to the robustness and integrity of American democracy? Or is it indicative of the incompetence of this Deep State?
It is mind boggling that HRC’s multi-year, deliberate flouting of laws and regs surrounding State Department communication could be regarded as having no criminal intent (an issue where “intent” isn’t even relevant), an assertion that, as you might say, befits a howlingly corrupt fifth-world judicial system.
But HRC still lost.
Volo,
Don’t forget she also tried to flip the electors to nullify the vote of the people.
Of all her crimes and manipulations, this stands as one of the most brazen, and seems largely to have been forgotten.
Sanders said Whites don’t know what poverty is – even though much of White Northern New England lies in ruins, outside of the swanky ski resort areas. In my book he can never live that down or apologize his way out of it. As the Bible say, the Heart speaks out of its fullness. This is what he really feels and therefore what he believes.
Trump, Trump, Trump
Kind of sums up the #1 problem in American politics these days.
Too much fixation on personalities. Party system is broken, because …
No one understands what their swim lanes are anymore.
Every politician wants to be an entertaining celebrity, and the celeb airheads all want to dabble in politics (but not be held the least bit accountable for any stupid idea that produces bad results).
And the Party System is in full swing finding celebriticians.
Trump beat the Party System and DNC gaming intended to put HRC in the White House. Orange Man Bad.
JHK has called it before: an infantile society. That is what we’ve become, and that is why for two years, the Democratic Party has been unable to collectively grasp a) why they lost the 2016 election, and b) present a competent response to that event that might regain the confidence of swing voters. “No borders, no wall, no USA at all” won’t cut it.
Yeah, neither the Dems nor the Repubs have much to offer. Once Trump is gone, the usual swine will take their places at the trough.
Cheers
Great post. You hit the nail square on the head.
That was for Walters’ 9:40am post.
AOC just announced a price tag for the new green movements program, only 7 trillion dollars.
7 trillion dollars, holy s—t!
And I thought the Paris accord was insane.
I am anxiously awaiting the details of this plan of hers. After reading our host’s opinions on natural resources forecasts, and the lack of ability to use substitutes, this is an obvious push for more government control via spending and regulation.
Millennials, grow up! Do your research and make an intelligent decision. No knee jerk reactions, and vote this idiot out of the House in 2 years.
JohnAZ
Once upon a time, back in 2006, the economist Nicholas Stern wrote a report for the UK government, called the ‘Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change’.
Now it’s 13 years out of date, so I’m not here to argue any fine points of detail or policy.
But the main takeaway points are as follows (just from Wiki):
(1) Climate change is the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen.
(2) The benefits of strong, early action on climate change far outweigh the costs of not acting.
(3) Without action, the overall costs of climate change will be equivalent to losing at least 5% of global gross domestic product (GDP) each year, now and forever. Including a wider range of risks and impacts could increase this to 20% of GDP or more, also indefinitely.
Telling us what it will cost to prevent the worst effects of climate change is like saying it will be really cheap this year if you don’t deal with your Stage 2 cancer until next year, or at all.
But I do get that anyone only interested in the Last Man Standing approach to economic (and basic) survival will take such things with a pinch of salt because…China or whatever other excuse comes to mind.
Every single person in the CC debate should be forced to read The Long Emergency.
GA, you and I agree on the need for action on AGW. However, there is little that can really be done about it.
Why? Because humans keep procreating, period.
The addiction to Happy Motoring is only a percentage of the problem. The biggest problem oil wise is food production, directly proportional to the number of folks alive. All of the action proposed is aimed at the electrification of transportation. That will take care of a percentage of the fossil fuels situation. But how do we generate the electricity for the equivalence of hundreds of millions of cars, trains, planes? I will be interested in AOCs plan to spend $7 trillion dollars.
The real problem is not addressable. If the North Pole loses its ice cap, the fit is going to hit the Shan.
Geopolitics are going to go crazy when that happens.
But the real deal is that little can be done about it. We will see how adaptable humanity is.
And how humble.
I don’t disagree with you, JohnAZ, about the need to look very carefully at actual proposals (look at the mess we’re in here because people were advised to buy diesel cars for environmental reasons and it turns out they’re actually worse than petrol cars for pollution). Same with ideas like cars run on primary food crops.
I’m only pointing out that you were talking as if there was no cost to doing nothing, whereas the cost of doing nothing is actually greater than the cost of limiting the worst effects of CC. And yes, population is a bull that needs to be taken by the horns. Perhaps some papal bull(shit) would be a good place to start.
And I’ve read The Long Emergency. But if you were to try to get it read in schools, at the older end, you’d be accused of ‘politicisation’ of children. And so it goes…
Just read that the poles are shifting, maybe swapping. Wonder what that might do for global warming?
What ‘action’ would you suggest, GA? You could de industrialize Great Britain and bring it back to the days of King Arthur and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference in the weather. What that might do however is cause a die off of about 75% of your population. China, India, NKorea, Poland, Russia and so on built nearly 1000 new coal fired power plants last year alone. Go ahead and send delegations to Russia and China and order Xi and Putin to shut down those plants. See how far you get.
Brh
No one will have the cojones to do anything about AGW. Humanity WILL react to what happens, period,
Get over it.
Well, brh, the UK seems determined to do its bit anyway:
https://www.theccc.org.uk/tackling-climate-change/reducing-carbon-emissions/how-the-uk-is-progressing/
So it’s not just me.
Meanwhile ‘The number of new coal plants worldwide is shrinking, but not nearly fast enough’
https://qz.com/1235125/the-number-of-coal-plants-worldwide-is-shrinking-but-nowhere-near-enough/
“The world is walking away from coal. But to meet the targets for limiting global warming set out by the 2015 Paris Agreement, it must pick up the pace.
“According to a report published yesterday (pdf) by Greenpeace, CoalSwarm, and the Sierra Club, the number of new coal plants being developed around the world continued to decline between 2015 and 2017. As of January, the world had seen a 29% year-on-year drop in construction starts, and a 73% drop in them in the past two years, according to the report (p. 4). Meanwhile, the number of newly completed coal plants fell 28% year-on-year in 2017.”
Like they say, not fast enough…
Basically the same as the “Morgenthau Plan” to turn Germany into an agricultural state. It would have meant the deaths of tens of millions. Now your chickens have come home to roost, eh? Face it, you backed the wrong horse. Or as Winnie said, We killed the wrong pig.
Is there anyone out there but me that believes that the only solution to the problem is to seriously reduce or maybe even eliminate the use of fossil fuels including in the generation of electricity? Doesn’t “carbon footprints” include this as it’s main source?
Carbon footprint Walter.
There seems to be a rather wierd weather cult extant — GA is a member — and ultimately the only real solution to the crises they say exists is a final solution, which is liquidation of the humanity that is at the root of the problem. Thats where this is ultimately headed.
Brh
The climate changes – move on. But wait!!!! There is way too much money to be made from this scam.
There are societies that believe that humans are a virus infecting Earth and should be eradicated.
This reminds me of the tree in the forest story. Does a falling tree make a noise if there is no one there to hear it?
Does a planet without humans and their relationship to God make any difference? Earth has been evolving for 4.5 billion years without us but to anything or anybody, who cares.
SSL
“The climate changes – move on. But wait!!!! There is way too much money to be made from this scam.”
It is past the time where comments like that should be dignified with an answer, sorry. There is simply no excuse any more for deliberate ignorance.
Your comment doesn’t merit the dignity of a reply either, brh.
There are lower limits to the calibre of propositions on the matter with which it is possible to engage. So one should not waste one’s time.
Anything that includes allusions to ‘cult’ or ‘religion’ is a waste of one’s time.
SSL
There has been money to be made from almost all human endeavour. Only fools with no real arguments make that the only criterion on which they judge any new endeavour.
Perhaps you’d like to give back trains, or telecommunications, or midwifery since people make a living from them.
But Alba I am not saying to give back anything. There is a whole climate change industry out there. Their making millions and they are government sanctioned and subsidized. Much like fracking. That is all my point is. The climate is going to change whether we do anything about it or not.
I do not follow either of your arguments, SSL.
My education was subsidised, as was that of my children. As is that of my grandson. And presumably your boys too. Subsidy in itself is not an evil – we choose to subsidise what we value.
Fossil fuels are MASSIVELY subsidised, both directly and indirectly (they do not pay their external costs). So is nuclear – MASSIVELY. And in the UK, no private insurance company will touch nuclear power, so it’s entirely underwritten by Joe Public.
What is your objection to people making money from genuinely useful human endeavour anyway? Do you want them to provide you with everything for nothing? You make no sense? Why are you happy to subsidise the fossil fuel industry but not something that does less harm?
As for ‘the climate is going to change…etc. etc.’ again, this kind of idiocy is unworthy of you.
I think your descendants will notice the difference between the global temperature increasing by 2 degrees or increasing by 6 degrees (possibly the context of an extinction event), caused specifically by human activity. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
And please don’t go back to your ice age nonsense – neither you nor I will be around 10,000 years from now. People then, if there are any (very doubtful) can worry about the next ice age.
“Does a planet without humans and their relationship to God make any difference? Earth has been evolving for 4.5 billion years without us but to anything or anybody, who cares.”
JohnAZ
You can obviously believe what you want about God (you might want to ask him why he didn’t develop a human reproductive system that stopped at 2 kids once the population became stressed) but the point is that the world will be fine. This is about life on that world. If there’s no sentient life on the planet it won’t feel a thing if a meteor hits. Nor when the sun swells out and sucks it home to mama.
Yeah. Some people can’t fit in the life boat – moral crisis! Tip over the life boat so everyone is in the water – crisis solved!
“Doing our bit” – horrible Victorian respectability. Every one dying in the only decent thing to do.
“Doing our bit” – horrible Victorian respectability”
I don’t even know why I bother… actually, I’m not even going to.
You are a sad excuse for a human being, Janos.
“You can obviously believe what you want about God (you might want to ask him why he didn’t develop a human reproductive system that stopped at 2 kids once the population became stressed)”
Alba,
Considering the reproductive rate of 1st World countries, who is to say that He did not?
“Considering the reproductive rate of 1st World countries, who is to say that He did not?”
Someone needs to tell the pope, EF.
But Alba, there is a difference in making money off of true and honest work and endeavor and making money off of scams and fakery. I don’t down anyone for making money (although you know how I feel about overconsumption) but why reward lies and scams? I am very happy to subsidize people receiving an education (hopefully a good one and not indoctrination) or fund needed infrastructure on the other hand.
Darn it Alba ice ages are real and one day we are going to have another one. Yes that could be when we are all dead and gone or it could begin tomorrow.
SSL
“Darn it Alba ice ages are real and one day we are going to have another one. Yes that could be when we are all dead and gone or it could begin tomorrow.”
Seriously, SSL, why would you say something this silly? The next one is going to be long, long, long after you’re dead and gone. Really it is. Tomorrow? Where do you get this stuff?
We’re in an interglacial. Everything that’s not during an ice age is by definition in an interglacial. So you could argue it was on its way from as soon as the last one finished. But perspective matters.
You aren’t going to stop feeding your children because they’re on their way to the grave already. Which they were from the moment you gave birth to them. Let’s keep some common sense.
As for the ‘scams’, let’s have some details. Let’s then weigh them against the billions spend on climate disinformation by fossil fuel companies. And all the fossil fuel subsidies there have ever been. Then we can start on nuclear…
Then we can talk about who’s going to clean up Alberta once the tar sands are fully exploited. Just as a taster. You’ve no idea how often the only cleaning up the extractors do is financial. The real cleaning up is left to the taxpayer. That’s a scam.
>>> We’re in an interglacial. Everything that’s not during an ice age is by definition in an interglacial.
Signifying nothing, as it still leaves a vast gamut of climate possibilities. Our “interglacial” has everything from ice to swamp. During the Mesozoic “interglacial”, the earth had no ice, no snow, no pleasant Autumnal days—just hot and humid. Period. And the dinosaurs were all in a tissy over “climate change”.
Hey Exscotticus and thanks for the back up!!
Alba I can’t argue with you that the fossil fuel industries are subsidized but they do turn over profit as well. I agree with you that we need to get down to the bottom of any of these scams. I just think that at the end of the day we can’t stop the climate from changing and I am not sure we have that big of an effect on the climate to begin with. I hope you are right that we will never see an ice age because it would really cull the human population since much of the world’s bread baskets would turn into Siberian-style tundra.
“Someone needs to tell the pope, EF.”
Alba,
Perhaps…but the Pope proposes and God disposes….
Thanks for pointing out nothing, Exscotticus. The point at issue was the imminent arrival of another ice age, which is for some reason worrying SSL.
SSL
“Alba I can’t argue with you that the fossil fuel industries are subsidized but they do turn over profit as well.”
Are you including shale gas in that? It’s not my impression from JHK’s posts.
“I just think that at the end of the day we can’t stop the climate from changing and I am not sure we have that big of an effect on the climate to begin with.”
Well we are making it change – sorry, but I’m not going to take your ‘I’m not sure’ over 50 years of climate science – so the logical corollary of that is that we could reduce the maximum amount by which we will end up changing it if we continue with business as usual.
That’s simple logic. But it can’t fight prejudice. So I’m not arguing the point any further.
Nightowl is right on this one, along with Walter, that those who care are doing what they can privately. But what they/we can do privately isn’t enough to solve the problem. Thankfully, the number of new coal plants is decreasing too, as I pointed out. Try to be pleased for your kids.
It is good to hear that Killer Coal is being phased out and if the WaPo is correct:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-industries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/?utm_term=.c6d57dcf3f9d
and there are less than 77K workers in that industry, it would make sense to shut it down completely and provide better jobs for those displaced or heck, just pay them all $50k a year to give up on coal. That has to be the world’s shittiest job anyway. Unfortunately for US(A) our political scum would rather sit on their hands and never solve any problems ever rather than do something productive. But even if they did I would think that reducing the gas/diesel/aircraft fuel burning would have to be seriously embraced as well. I would be fine with that BTW, though I cannot see how this would not impact the generation of electricity in a big way.
>>> Thanks for pointing out nothing, Exscotticus.
The Earth has seen hotter days, post-life, pre-humans. And your explanation is? Heck, you can’t even explain why the magnetic pole is acting erratically, or if THAT is connected to climate change.
It’s quite fashionable to blame every calamity on climate change. For example, the recent forest fires in California—when in fact the proximate cause was faulty electrical equipment.
The amount of pollution caused by those massive forest fires negated every climate change mitigation effort undertaken by the state and then some.
Exscotticus, if you know what a proximate cause is, then I’m betting you know the difference between that and an ultimate cause. So, how do you defend using proximate cause to deny responsibility for ultimate cause?
“I’m not to blame, officer! I only pushed him off the cliff. It was hitting the ground that killed him!”
@Elrond, the “ultimate cause” of anything treads on philosopophy, religion, and the unknown. But if you want a cause that’s higher up the chain than the sparks that lit the fire, then I would say forestry mismanagement.
Trees are a population just like anything else. Their numbers ebb and flow according to their resources. Left alone, forests manage themselves—with forest fires. Yep—nature pollutes itself, and it’s perfectly natural. And we know this because some tree species actually require fire for their seeds to sprout. And lightning takes the place of faulty electrical equipment.
Unfortunately, environmental fanaticism, in which every tree must be saved, has led to an over-abundance of dead and dying timber. Periodic controlled maintenance burns would have certainly mitigated the fires if not outright prevented them.
Doubtless your position is that the ultimate cause is climate change. The forest was doing just fine until humans came along. WRONG. Because we have evidence of PERIODIC forest fires that PREDATE humans. So now you’re forced to argue that the fires were never that bad. WRONG AGAIN. They were MUCH WORSE, as you can imagine without humans involved to stop them.
I agree that the stoppage of fossil fuels would affect the AGW. How much is debatable? Watch the polar areas for the answers.
The problem is,as BRH has said, is what is the effect of getting off of fossil fuels?
Chaos everywhere. Look at France, chaos, in response to a gas tax.
Now tell the world that they are going to lose their ability to burn energy as they please. Ha!
Just try to tell the American people that they cannot own any vehicle that gets less than 60 mpg, or that they are going to pay a tax based on the mileage their vehicle gets, or pay a gas tax significant enough to affect anything, or limit the supply of gasoline.
Yeah right! AOC must have been smoking dope. None of the above will ever be enacted in this or any other country.
The real changes will come with the advent of peak oil and its consequences. The problem is self-limiting.
The human reaction will be devastating.
“the only solution”
Walter,
Sooo….you think there is a “solution”?
A solution to what end?
EF, I am still waiting for a convincing argument that there is a problem that we humans can even solve. I can understand that burning petrochemical substances for fuel may have bad side effects but I also cannot see anyone cutting back on the use of them anyway. In the end, is it not a distraction from the number one problem that faces humanity, at least in my book, and that is the total corruption and greed of our governments and those masters who own them?
Entirely correct, Walter.
Government corruption would need to be dealt with first, because the primary producers of pollutants won’t change their act unless forced.
It’s sort of like when I see a celebrity talking about climate change, and then you find out he’s chartering private jets to fly his stylist to timbuk2 so that he looks pretty accepting his award for climate warrior of the year.
Wasn’t Gore consuming electricity equivalent to the annual average for 30 US households at just one of his mansions?
In my opinion, the people who actually care about this issue are doing what they can privately (myself included), and it won’t be enough if the science we are being fed is accurate. Stick a fork in us.
Indeed Nightowl, I may have no luck convincing others to conserve, but I too started doing everything I could think of to do so decades ago. I became a year round motorcycle rider to my work at the time 52 miles each way and cut my gas usage by 89%. I only use 200 gallons of fuel oil a year to heat my hot water, and my small home uses the same small amount of electricity that it did 40 years ago. I never really saw any savings from going all LED lighting but did that too anyway. All around me, people are going back to the huge land barge SUV’s with houses lit up like Christmas trees year round at night. Like I said, all I can control is me, but I do what I can too.
Walter.
Same here, but I fear it won’t make a difference. We compost, I biked to work for 10 years, we are careful about overpackaged products, use very little electricity, etc.
Here in Germany, they are farther along collectively than in the US, but it makes no difference. If the science is correct we are doomed. If not, the major polluters won’t change until their is a financial incentive to do so. The fish rots from the head.
I dont know if Mr (((Stern))) is a scientist.
But I know he is not a ‘Climate Change’ scientist as there is no such thing.
Nature is ever in flux. And will continue to be so.
malthuss
A few questions:
(1) I wrote ‘the economist Nicholas Stern’. Did that confuse you?
Do you have some kind of insight that tells you an economist, provided with information by climate scientists, can’t do any kind of useful work on the economic implications of that scientific information?
(2) Why the holy f*ck have you put those stupid symbols round the man’s name and exactly what do you think they add or detract to your …ahem…’argument’ or mine? You don’t need to tell me how they detract from your credibility and general human decency because I know that already.
*add to or detract from*
Sometimes anger defeats grammar.
You want some useful information on the economic effects of AGW? No need to go any further than your friendly neighbourhood insurance company. They operate on a need to know basis – they know what they need to know about how much it’s going to cost them. And when to stop covering you and let you sink or swim.
As do the Pentagon, who were up to speed on the effects of AGW long, long before the rest of America caught up. Because they’ll be involved in making sure the whole of devastated humanity doesn’t end up on your doorstep, malthuss, asking why you insisted on bulldozing every useful suggestion ever made.
The last man standing won’t remain standing for long.
Why can’t you say fuck? Why that stupid star? The Tribe loves to gloat and blow their own horn but then can’t stand when people talk about them in ways other than adulation. You have to ask yourself why you carry water for them. More so called “respectability”?
“Why can’t you say fuck? ”
No problem. Fuck off. You and the horse you rode in on.
I’ll leave malthuss to explain what the symbols added to his actual argument, since you are too stupid to answer the actual question, which wasn’t addressed to you in the first place.
“They operate on a need to know basis – ”
Alba,
Rather they operate on the basis of profit….
They do, EF. Why would that be strange? There are people who can’t get flood insurance any more. If people who repeatedly get flooded repeated get bailed out, there will, sadly, come a point where the insurance company will go bust. I believe the issues for the insurance industry got a mention in Mr Stern’s review.
*repeatedly*
I wonder if Trump will admit in his SOTU that the country is actually run by drug cartels? How can it be any other way when somehow someway the “most powerful” country in the world can’t control its own borders? It doesn’t make any sense at all. So little sense that even low IQ people say huh. Let’s just go ahead and make El Chapo El Presidente and allow the entirety of Central America to move in and rename the country Mexico Del Norte. Why wait around and do the slow boil of the frog thing? And since Canada and Western Europe want and beg for migrants lets go ahead and move billions in. Why waste time? This is the “morality” you want – it should be enforced to the max!
The only question is where do people go that do not want to tolerate the Communist takeover.
Well, as weve seen, sometimes determined lunatic true believers do gain levers of power — Bolsheviks in Russia, Nazis in Germany, Communists in China and Cambodia — and they have no problem liquidating large numbers of people to meet their goals.
John AZ, this is no escaping once the cultists get control of police forces, the courts, and the bureaucratic regulatory agencies.
Brh
And Brh, let’s add the current Western Elite to that list since they profit off of phony wars that have killed thousands if not millions of people in the last half century or so.
I read that USA has killed 30-40 million since WW2.
Oh yes. And the Fetal Shoah of some 54 million ‘potential persons’. Thats 9 holocausts worth. I’m not aware of any Virgin Mary statues that have wept blood over it. Maybe it doesn’t move the heavenly needle.
You have no heart and I wonder where your soul is Carlos. I am going to pray for you every day now. Call me when you feel shame.
Good question! If the Antarctic ice sheet melts there will be a whole lot more real estate available. Otherwise, floating cities may need to be invented!
It will be rock. Like earth was billions? of years ago.
Yes, almost I guess like Iceland but without all the grass.
John,
I hear that Brazil is the new anti-commie nirvana, and I’m sure the Brazilian “people” would love to welcome a horde of American parasites, skimmers and rent-seekers into their country. (The whores and Churrascaria are first rate!)
Check it out… um… sometime before the next sel- oops, election!
Colombia and Honduras are close behind in political (governmental) sentiment.
You still deny White Genocide? How do you justify that?
Heard the news about Gavin McInnes suing the SPLC for defamation and ran across this gem. You angry yet, Clusterfuck Nation?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hoobmitchell/status/1091115581124812801
Only White Genocide deniers are not angry. Unfortunately most Whites themselves are too naïve or willfully ignorant to admit or understand that White Genocide is a very real and active, ongoing global campaign. Once Whites are eradicated or reduced to insignificant numbers the Elites will fully implement the NWO. Especially now that China’s ruling party has made it clear it is all in with globalism. Super simple but too complicated for even some of the smartest of us to understand apparently.
Sir David Adjaye, and Israeli architect and designer Ron Arad, are to build the controversial £100m Westminster Holocaust memorial and learning center in a London park?.
This is not just any old park in London – it is next to the houses of parliament. I’m sure the 100 million pounds could be used to benefit the British taxpayers in so many other ways.
Tory lobbyist Lord Polak as treasurer and Ruth Smeeth MP as secretary – said it fully endorsed the location because “there is no better location to remember the murder of six million Jewish citizens” and others. ” – “and others”?
The order of magnitude more Christians that died in the war = “the others.”
““and others”?
The others that were deliberately murdered included Roma, LGBT and disabled people.
Obviously revilo is right that many Christian (and other) people died in the actual fighting. That’s why there are statues to them everywhere.
Pretty much literally EVERYWHERE.
Not really sure what you’re talking about. Clearly you haven’t finished your reading assignment. Typical boomer female…dialogue is utterly pointless.
revilo
I’ll try to be clear.
Malthuss is taking umbrage about a planned holocaust memorial and ancillary education centre. He mentioned it was dedicated to Jews ‘‘and others’ killed during the Holocaust. He questioned the phrase ‘and others‘.
The others killed as part of the Holocaust, and who will be remembered by means of both the memorial and the education centre, were Roma, LGBT and disabled people. So the memorial is also to them.
You, also having an agenda, piped up that ‘the others‘ were Christians who fought during the war. In this you were incorrect, since those to be remembered by the memorial were not soldiers but deliberately murdered civilians, mostly Jews.
I pointed out additionally, therefore, that these soldiers were already remembered on countless memorials in every country affected by the war. So you should not worry about them not being remembered specifically by this memorial, because to include them there would be illogical. Just as the Jews are not remembered on normal war memorials to soldiers.
Sorry that’s a bit wordy, but sometimes you have to be to get your point across to non-boomers. You’ll no doubt have heard people opining that education isn’t what it was.
But if you’d like to go head to head with Nightowl for the Gaslighting Award for 2019, do feel free.
Do you know anything about the carpet bombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Cologne, and countless other German cities. What did that have to do with the “actual fighting.” Take a little tour of Hamburg ca. 1943 with me:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XTRjmN71q54
The only Sterns that I ever knew were a rich Jewish family.
The () is, well, you look up the meaning of 6( around a name.
Nothing to see here, as Revikio noted with
Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai
Leon Trotsky = Lev Bronstein
Lev Kamenev = Leo Rosenfeld
Grigory Zinoviev = Hirsch Apfelbaum
Grigori Sikolnikov = Girsch Brilliant
The achitect of Communism (descended from generations of Talmudic scholars) was Jewish, as well as 4/7 of the First Politburo. The primary financier of the Bolshevik revolution, Jacob Schiff, was Jewish. Yeah…nothing to see here folks.
“Gaslighting award”
Where Green edits her original statement on second use in order to save face.
Projection is the cherry on the proverbial cake.
GA January 29, 2019 at 7:33 pm #
We thought Nazism had gone too but it’s fighting back right now
Nightowl January 30, 2019 at 5:18 am #
Give just one representative example for this
supposed broad-based threat.
Now, until you can find some inkling of the proposition that Nazism fighting back currently represents a broad-based threat in my statement above, your made-up addition remains a deliberate straw man.
Show me my edits or give it a rest.
And I didn’t call you out as a gaslighter because of your straw man. You followed up your straw man by saying you noted that I’d given you an emotional response rather than an answer.
There was nothing remotely emotional in my response. Claiming there was was classic textbook gaslighting.
malthuss
I know perfectly well what your repulsive symbol means. I asked you how what it symbolises added to or detracted from Mr Stern’s case on the economics of climate change.
revilo
I’m well aware of the carpet bombing, which I do not in any way condone. You missed Coventry, by the way, which was the first.
You do know what word the Germans coined for carpet bombing, don’t you? Coventrieren.
Your point is no more valid. The ‘and others’ remembered by the memorial refers to Holocaust victims and I’ve already explained who the ‘others’ were in that context.
There are separate memorials to the victims of Dresden and a peace centre in Coventry itself dedicated to their remembrance and the symbolic reconciliation that took place there between citizens of both cities.
Anyone would think it wasn’t the Nazis that caused the war in the first place. Which is a separate point.
“Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai”
Malthuss,
And why would he not change his name…Moses Mordecai sounded too “Hollywood”?
(Credit Leonard Alfred Schneider)
BTW revilo, (leaving aside the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who presumably don’t matter because they weren’t Christians), whether you count them with the Christians or not, you forgot the Soviets. Difficult to do, given the numbers, but possibly it slipped your mind because they were killed by the same people who perpetrated the Holocaust. I don’t know, though. Maybe you just have a bad memory.
The Russians certainly don’t. I imagine there’s no shortage of memorials to their people either.
“\they were killed by the same people who perpetrated the Holocaust”
Although one should give the benefit of the doubt to normal patriotic German soldiers, many of whom had no time for the Nazis and were not to blame for what they did. Many of the top brass rightly despised Hitler.
Green,
Your edit was in the second reference to the statement, where you put Nazism it in parentheses to downplay your hyperbolic and baseless statement. You left that out here, naturally.
Then you accused me (and others) of being a Nazi. Maybe that is the cherry on top.
Nightowl:
“Your edit was in the second reference to the statement, where you put Nazism it in parentheses to downplay your hyperbolic and baseless statement. You left that out here, naturally.”
Really, I don’t know how to reason with someone who refuses reason. The parentheses were because I was quoting from memory and they make absolutely no difference to my point. Which remains that the assertion of ‘broad-based support’ was your straw man.
“Then you accused me (and others) of being a Nazi. Maybe that is the cherry on top.’
GreenAlba: February 3, 2019 at 2:15 pm #
Nightowl
“…of the three of you I still wouldn’t consider anything you’ve said makes you remotely a neo-Nazi, even while I find your claims that neo-Nazism isn’t clearly growing to be strange.”
But carry on with your calumnies – seems to be your modus operandi.
“Especially now” is not accurate in this context (China/Globalism) since 1989.
Stop stealing my sunshine :-P.
Simplest things are the hardest for complicated people to understand. The fish does not see the Ocean. Prize winning journalist Oriana Fallaci admitted she had missed the biggest story of all until she was old: the takeover of Europe by Islam and the replacement and/or miscegenation of Whites by the peoples of Africa and Asia.
Ozone is smart and well read – therefore he is dumb because he can’t simply SEE what is happening. One is reminded of St Paul’s, “When I am weak, then I am strong.” Or in Ozone’s case, Strength leading to weakness and sight to blindness.
Have you ever seen those small Sumerian statues or replicas of people with the humongous wide eyes? We need all of our people to have a moment where their eyes are completely opened to the truth. Then we may have a fighting chance.
http://www.notmytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/sumer-sumerians-mesopotamia-iraq.jpg
Instead their Eyes are Wide Shut. You can’t wake up someone pretending to be asleep. They get mad at people who try though as Q has done.
Ozone has beliefs. Read the book, ‘True Believers.’
He may know but prefer political calculation to the Truth. So what if Whites are being persecuted if saying so would help Conservatives! He’d rather we go extinct than be proven wrong.
LOL “Mark Potok, looks like an overcooked George Lucas…”
Yeah, picture the guy rubbing his hands with anticipation as he stares out the window at the NPCs staggering aimlessly below.
Passed! Absolutely incredible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/senate-middle-east-bill-bds.html
WASHINGTON — The Senate overwhelmingly approved a Middle East policy bill on Tuesday that included both a rebuke to President Trump over his withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan and a contested measure to allow state and municipal governments to punish companies that boycott, divest from or place sanctions on Israel.
Q will simply say you are me and therefore nothing you say matters. That his little way of dealing with things he prefers to ignore.
John will simply say that it doesn’t matter as long as the Mexicans become Republicans and learn to love Football.
BRH will simply say it’s a shame and then hope that there’s enough White left to adopt Black babies and raise them right.
The insane outnumber the sane now. And anyone who isn’t enraged by that is insane by definition.
And SSL will say – hey where are those catacombs you were talking about?
I’m negotiating with the Dwarves and Dark Elves for passage thru their underground realms. The Human World lies thousands of miles down. It won’t be easy getting there.
Most if not many; All if not some of the planets are hollow – just so many pots of nectar spinning in infinite space.
I have heard that too. The universe is so awesome when you start to think about everything. And wow, worlds within worlds.
Hey you. Stop. Writing. Tiresome. Bullshit. On. This. Blog.
Make me big boy :-). Why aren’t you trying to sell your newspapers anymore Mr. Slim? I was thinking of investing but then if your not excited about it why should I be?
Thge SJWNYT is waiting for you, legs open, for 4 weeks, free. You might catch something though. Wear a full body condom.
Gross
Jim removed a comment of mine.
I hope I dont anger him as I reframe it,
The Great and Infernal Truthiness of Lil Debbie Snack Packaging January 27, 2019 at 5:37 pm #
So here’s the mechanism activated in the brain when you hear about little arms and legs and bloody abortions: the insula.
Its an evolved response that kept our ancestors from eat rotting meat or otherwise spoilt food.
Its not the tug of conscience. Its the reflex of disgust.
–Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I never feel disgust.
I dont support carving up fully formed babies.
Sounds like you want someone to change your mind.
Some people aren’t even born fully formed
Ooooo, tonight, IhopeIhopeIhope Trumpy will mention his art-of-the-deal withdrawal from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty that will again establish the sacred hegemony of the FUSA over the planet!
Well, probably not. lol If mentioned at all, the GGG, Orange Eminence will trumpet what a fine deal is going to result from this idiotic (on *his* part) withdrawal. (There will be no deal whatsoever now that China and Russia see their advantage in countering the dangerous actions of being surrounded by “superior” US weapons.)
Lest ye be misled, I’m all in favor of hide-bound war-mongering assholes being put in a precarious position. Well done Trip-G! You’ve done in one fell swoop what the anti-imperialist crowd has been weeping and gnashing their teeth about for about 45 years.
Wow so he did something right in your eyes!!! Let me call the Devil to see if he is freezing cold lol ;-).
Somebody does not understand the difference between ‘intentional’ and ‘accidental’.
The Orange Eminence has created the exact opposite conditions than he (or his cadre of excellent generals) had intended. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Well I don’t like it when people start fake wars so I am glad it backfired.
I don’t like it when people engage in fake sex, or fake conversation, or fake flirting, or fake reading, or fake reporting, or fake fishing, or fake skydiving… really fake skydiving, or fake doodling. There. I’ve said my fake peace. Now I’m going back to fake sleep.
When are you gonna make it real then?
The low hanging fruit, establishing Reaganesque levels of legacy is right there for the taking. Will Orange man grab that pussy?
A deal with Putin could easily capture multiple benefits including reputation rescue. The deal would be a mutual 50% reduction of tactical nuclear weapons. This would still leave the planet overloaded with nuclear weapons, not have any tactical effect on battle advantage, save on administrative costs, and make them look like Great Leaders, a public relations win they both desperately need.
Yes you can remove a bit over 7,000 tactical nuclear weapons, a little over half the global arsenal, and the Earth would still be burdened with more than enough to destroy everything many times over, with more than 90% of the remaining warheads controlled by the US and Russia. But still, an astounding reduction! New hope, new peace! Write off depreciating assets! Swords to plowshares!
Snacks, you can be the one to fly into Moscow and tell Putin his nukes must go. Tell the FSB agents you don’t have an appointment, but you need to see the President to deliver an important message.
Brh
>>> The deal would be a mutual 50% reduction of tactical nuclear weapons.
This is a much more difficult proposition compared to land-based ICBM reductions. How do you verify the reduction of something that is by definition small and portable? Disassemble them at the UN HQ? So both nations could secretly ramp up production by 50% so that they could then publically “reduce” by 50%
The truth about the START treaty is that the weapons that were decommisioned were obsolete, and would have likely been decommisioned in any case. Yeah we capped ICBMs—only to ramp up production of cruise missiles.
Irrelevant technical objection. I’m not saying it would create any real safety or relative advantage or disadvantage. I’m referring to a one-time easy gain in political prestige and capital.
It leaves over 7,000 nukes between the US and Russia and changes very little in reality. In public relations, its gold. In terms of real oversight in disarmament, that could be accomplished with an agreement and will not happen without one.
How many does Israel claim to NOT have?
I guess we are in a mood for nastiness today aren’t we? Putin is not going to reduce his nuclear arms stockpile. And why should he since you want to carpet bomb China and India to destroy the coal plants, probably you want to bomb Russia too. I am not saying the coal plants are good but your plan is megalomaniacal.
What are you bleating about?
A dictionary isn’t just good for figuring out how to spell a word in scrabble; it also includes definitions.
I am glad you explained the purpose of a dictionary to me. I would have never figured it out without your handholding ;-).
Santa Barbara College votes to do away with saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Celeste Barbur, who husband and father died for America, gets up and says it, weeping as she heckled by the Leftist savages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=79&v=fXaIOJagHpU
What low life trash those “protesters” are. Nothing but a bunch of trust fund babies and affirmative action charity cases. I would love to see them pushed off a plane and parachuted down to the Afghan deserts. Then let’s talk about how bad America is.
That’s a false dichotomy. You could parachute them into Stockholm, Sweden or Buenos Aries, Argentina or Sydney, Australia alternatively.
No, Afghanistan is worse than those places, at least for now. No thanks to people like you of course.
“I know more about ________ better than almost anybody.” Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEcNMir6aSs
That was a great nap ;-).
With all this talk of Communism, you might get a kick out of a story at Occidental Observer about SDS
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/11/15/a-forgotten-revolutionary-john-jacobs-founder-of-weatherman/
Proles in yellow vests still in the streets of Paris raising hell over a little climate change fuel tax. Just wait till Ocassio Cortez sends her little butt pounders from NYU into Kentucky to inform Bubba he can no longer drive his truck, heat his house, or have reliable electrical service. That ought to go over big.
Brh
The Fake Threat of Jewish Communism
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/02/21/fake-threat-of-jewish-communism/
“One of the great merits of Paul Hanebrink’s A Specter Haunting Europe is its demonstration of how Europe’s most pervasive and powerful twentieth-century manifestation of anti-Semitic thought—the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism—emerged before the rise of National Socialism and has continued to have a curious life long after the Holocaust and the defeat of Nazi Germany. Hanebrink’s approach is not to repeat what he considers an error of the interwar era—the futile attempt to refute a myth on the basis of historical facts and statistical data. A small kernel of truth underpinned the stereotype of the Jewish Bolshevik: a number of well-known early Bolshevik leaders (Béla Kun, Leon Trotsky, Karl Radek, and others) were of Jewish origin. That Stalin killed almost all of them, that overall a very small percentage of Jews were Bolsheviks, and that many prominent non-Jewish revolutionaries (Lenin and Karl Liebknecht, for example) were mistakenly identified as Jewish had no countervailing impact, because, Hanebrink writes, the Jew as ‘the face of the revolution’ was a ‘culturally constructed’ perception.
“Trying to discredit powerful political myths with mere facts, as we know all too well today, is a frustrating endeavor. Thus Hanebrink seeks instead to understand the historical background and the ‘cultural logic’ of the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism—how it functioned and morphed through different phases. Ultimately Judeo-Bolshevism embodied, in the form of ‘Asiatic barbarism,’ an imagined threat to national sovereignty, ethnic homogeneity, and Western civilization conceived as traditional European Christian hegemony. It fused, in short, political, racial, and cultural threats into a single ‘specter haunting Europe.'”
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Everything old is new again, including pernicious myths, unfortunately. Get your copy here.
“… overall a very small percentage of Jews were Bolsheviks…”
True, but a greatly disproportionate number of Bolsheviks were Jews.
It’s not really a myth to speak of Judeo-Bolshevism. Tribe-members are collectivist in habits of thought, their institutional structure, social norms, & temperament. It’s therefore no surprise that so many secular Jews became communists. It was simply a transfer of loyalties.
They have dwelled apart amongst the individualistic liberty-loving peoples of Europe & its diaspora in North America & Oceania for centuries. Uneasily, though, thus waging a constant struggle to subvert our culture in countless ways to align it more with their own.
So you are saying that being second class citizens of the empire and discriminated against in countless ways had nothing to do with an increase representation among the Bolsheviks and that Jewish people are inherently evil. Transfer of loyalties and no thirst for justice and fairness?
Just being clear on what you are saying Tate, just wanting to be clear. Because what I’m reading is veiled bullshit.
Collie Trotsky.
I see you’re playing the ‘so you’re saying’ game now.
Sad.
He brings nothing of value. 0
So you are not answering the question and are talking to yourself.
Sad.
Seriously if that’s how you really feel and you don’t up to it or deny it than I’ll have to say you like your other self says.
You brings nothing of value. If scraped some dirt from the pads of my paws I could at least grow something in it.
Earth to whomever you are at the moment. There is no such thing as playing the ‘so you’re saying’ game. Clarification is no game. Or is
Hate Tate.
Here are your words:
“So you are saying that being second class citizens of the empire and discriminated against in countless ways had nothing to do with an increase representation among the Bolsheviks and that Jewish people are inherently evil.”
That’s what you said. It’s not what I said. I would call that playing the ‘so you’re saying’ game, i.e., putting words in my mouth.
Once an egg-sucking dog acquires the habit, he can never be cured, folks.
All that the Jews had to do was join the Party and –bingo–benes for life.
They called and call this doctrine, Tikkun Ollam or repair of the World. And yes, it’s utter bullshit – as if they are morally superior to us. I’m willing to listen a bit when they boast about their cultural achievements in the West. They never give any credit to the Culture itself or those who founded it, or to Non-Jewish collaborators, but still the record of achievement is real and considerable. But when the start talking about moral superiority – like the old psychoanalysts who spoke of putting White America “on the couch” – that’s the time to tune out or tell them they’re full of it. Ditto for leading us into endless war for Israel. Ditto for opening our borders, supposedly for our own good, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. So much so that one comes not to care about their contributions and just wished they had never come at all.
Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai
Leon Trotsky = Lev Bronstein
Lev Kamenev = Leo Rosenfeld
Grigory Zinoviev = Hirsch Apfelbaum
Grigori Sikolnikov = Girsch Brilliant
The achitect of Communism (descended from generations of Talmudic scholars) was Jewish, as well as 4/7 of the First Politburo. The primary financier of the Bolshevik revolution, Jacob Schiff, was Jewish. Yeah…nothing to see here folks.
You dare contradict the greats, Elrond and Dog?
How was the revolution financed. Lets here those details. Can you make them up fast enough?
Jacob Schiff for one, of Kuhn & Loeb, now Chase Manhattan I believe. And yes, he was Jewish. Sorry not sorry. Soros wasn’t alive at that point, moron.
https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2018/08/03/the-wall-street-jews-behind-the-russian-revolution/
I’ve never known what to make of this assertion that the Russian revolution was financed by Jacob Schiff.
In regards to this particular source however, there’s a glaring error if we can believe the Wikipedia article on George Kennan. He couldn’t have toured Russia in the latter part of the nineteenth century if he wasn’t even born until 1904. Maybe the author has confused George Kennan with somebody else?
Was Soros involved?
Tate …
George Kennan’s grandfather, also named George, was in Russia in the mid to late 1860s – during the Civil War and after, with an expedition to build a round the world telegraph line up thru western Canada, across the Bering Straight, across Siberia, into western Russia and then into the heart of Europe. Much treasure was expended on it but the project was finally abandoned when a couple of brithers from weatern Mass. cane up wih a way to lay cable directly across the Atantic Ocean from NY.
This first George Kennan was a sort of telegrapher genius from Ohio with a taste for adventure, recruited from the Union Army in 1862 for the telegraph line thru Russia project. He wrote a good book about it. Later in life he became head of the telegraph detail in the White House, and made trips back to Russia in the 1880s and 1890s.
nrh
Was Armand Hammer involved?
What a horrid man from a horrid family,
Hammer was born in New York City, to Jewish parents who immigrated from then Russian Empire, Rose (née Lipschitz) and Julius Hammer.[6][7][8] His father came to the United States from Odessa in the Russian Empire (today Ukraine) in 1875, and settled in the Bronx, where he ran a general medical practice and five drugstores.[citation needed]
Hammer said that his father had named him after a character, Armand Duval, in La Dame aux Camélias, a novel by Alexandre Dumas, fils. According to other sources, Hammer was named after the “arm and hammer” graphic symbol of the Socialist Labor Party of America (SLP), in which his father had a leadership role.[9] (After the Russian Revolution, a part of the SLP under Julius’ leadership split off to become a founding element of the Communist Party USA.) Later in his life, Hammer confirmed that this was the origin of his given name.[1]
Hammer attended Morris High School, Columbia College (B.A., 1919) where he was a member of the Zeta Beta Tau fraternity, and then attended medical school at Columbia (M.D., 1921).[citation needed]
In Hammer’s final year of medical school, he was set to enter a residency at Bellevue Hospital in New York City, but events altered his plans.[10]
Father’s imprisonment
Due to socialist and communist activities Hammer’s father Julius had been put under federal surveillance.[11] On July 5, 1919, federal agents witnessed Marie Oganesoff (the 33-year-old Russian wife of a former tsarist diplomat) enter Julius’ medical office located in a wing of his Bronx home.[11] Oganesoff “who had accumulated a life-threatening history of miscarriages, abortions, and poor health, was pregnant and wanted to terminate her pregnancy.”[11] The surgical procedure took place in the midst of a great flu epidemic.[12] Six days after the abortion Oganesoff died of pneumonia.[12] Four weeks after her death a Bronx County grand jury indicted Dr. Julius Hammer for first-degree manslaughter
Thanks, BRH.
The picture in the article that Janos linked to was that of the grandson. Anyway, that clears that up.
Umm, yeah he wasn’t born. He was the 2nd biggest donor to HRC, though, after Haim Saban. You should read up on ole Saban’s politics. He’s a real treat.
3) James Simons
4) JB Pritzker
5) Donald Sussman
That’s according to Forbes. It continues, but I’ll spare you. Guess what they all have in common?
real tReat or real threat?
Thanks
Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai
Leon Trotsky = Lev Bronstein
Lev Kamenev = Leo Rosenfeld
Grigory Zinoviev = Hirsch Apfelbaum
Grigori Sikolnikov = Girsch Brilliant
So?
The Soviet Union was the Union of the Orthodox Russian people, Joseph Stalin and the world Jewry of the Third International.
And it was destroyed by the Doctors Plot, which finished the union of historical Russia and world Jewry, as a result of which aging Stalin found himself without qualified medical assistance.
Apparently Stalin was going to create some kind of Orthodox International instead of the Third International, but since he died without leaving the heir to these plans, and Nikita Khrushchev understood communism as an opportunity to eat without restrictions, then after the coup d’etat he organized in 1953 the USSR turned out to be a torso without a head.
And one of the main points of Khrushchev’s “de-Stalinization and exposure of the cult of personality” was the criticism of support by the Stalinists of the Orthodox Church.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/11/15/a-forgotten-revolutionary-john-jacobs-founder-of-weatherman/
How is it that Karl Nemmersdorf thinks that an organization of white people can hate whites? Serious screw loose here. White and Caucasian are the same thing or do you just believe what you want to believe. If you do that is OK, most people do it, but you have to reign yourself in. That is part of the bargain and Karl is not respecting the limits. Karl needs to change something up. He’s deluded.
The sources on Jacobs are sparse, but it is virtually certain ………..
Cherry picked cognitive dissonance, and that lets Karl make up anything he damn well pleases.
Cherry picked cosmic dissonance.
Uh no, since Black Dravidians are incorrectly considered “Caucasians” (they have lots of Australoid genes) as well as Arabs, Afghans, etc.
Whites are the Northern Caucasians if you will. And btw, the Southern Caucasians would never let themselves be replaced by us because “we’re all the same”. They disagree just as we do.
There was a very dark skinned Culture of Caucasians in India before the White invasion. They held themselves aloof from the Australoids or at least tried to.
The Weathermen debated whether killing White babies was a salutary revolutionary act,
Get real, If you are going to write phony shit be careful you don’t say anything so outrageous it goes against basic human nature or some dog will notice.
There is an art to being deceptive. I’m to lazy to cultivate it but I know it when I see it.
Too lazy
Bill Ayers said twenty five million Whites will have to disappear for your revolution to succeed. You are batting zero today.
But his is goy, as is Dhorn. read my like to Occidental.
Who kicked him out? Dhorn.
“Who kicked him out? Dhorn.”
Malthuss,
Sweet Bernadette was semi-hot in her day….
Out in Chicago, did the police nab the racists and homophobes who assualted Jussie Smollett yet?
25 people gunned down on the streets of Chicago since Feb 1 and the PD is out chasing phantoms.
Brh
Jim, you have assembled some quite remarkable minds in your readership, spanning a broad range of views and attitudes. The exchange is relentlessly lively. Funny too.
Regarding your comment ‘Don’t expect the usual excessive rounds of applause from the president’s own party this time, either, in the big, half-empty room. They don’t know what to do about him at this point… or what to do with themselves, for that matter.’
As one who has spent the last 30 years as an expatriate in Southeast Asia, my own ‘take’ on the dynamics of western society is quite distinct from that of those living ‘in the mix’, much as we would study AD 250 Rome, amazed to see what even intelligent Romans of that era would not.
In short, I have had the enduring impression that the fuckers in charge do not have a notion of what they are up to. Nor do the poor fuckers ‘eating dogfood with catsup’. No. 1 FIC is playing it by ear, the way he has always done (with daddy’s money, and then those whose money is unclean), and the Corporate Congress is just trying to keep the beat with the haunting melody.
Weird that the richest and most powerful [dangerous] political entity in the world finds itself thus conflicted and bewildered. Maybe that’s why they welcome the hordes of immigrants, who certainly know what they are after: The American Dream.
The Chinese have certainly planned out their moves and strategies over coming decades (although their fundamentally reckless gambler nature will likely derail it). The Russians certainly know what they are up to and where they are going. The rest of the world, led by ‘el coloso del norte’ looks increasingly helpless. hapless, just along for the ride.
Even the purported ‘Masters of the Universe’ in Deepstate and Corporate America do not seem to have a clue.
Looks suicidal from 11 time zones away.
Interesting idea.
Supply and demand. Do you think that the only thing that will stop the excessive immigration is when it has destroyed the American Dream?
Because it is.
Sidebars
Where are all the White liberal turncoats going to go when the masses tear down their”walls”.
Also, how are they getting themselves out of paying the higher taxes that they are foisting on the country.
Also, all you lesser income folks, when the tax vultures are finished with the rich folks and find out you cannot get blood out of a turnip, they are coming after you. Until the wealth is gone, then they will leave the ashes behind.
Maduro, Bushes, Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and the Threat of a new Cold War through the prism of the theory of Colored World Projects. Part 3.
I wanted to write a continuation of the previous posts about Venezuela, but I began to feel so good that yesterday I resumed working on my theory of statistical refraction of light in Newtonian model, tracking Sunday evening show with Solovyov with a side vision, and what I saw there I was so outraged that I decided to insert into this series a separate post dedicated to the Cold War and the Intermediate-Range Treaty.
And today, news came that New York prosecutors handed summons for questioning to all members of Donald Trump’s inaugural committee, with New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who didn’t let Hillary to the red button in 2012, for which the New York prosecutors ate him with shit about 5 years ago.
And on second thought, I came to the conclusion that both the corruption of Solovyov and the corruption of Chris Christie are ordinary human weaknesses and it is not known how I would act in their place.
And this time I was very upset, once again making cetain that I was right, when I claimed that we have a chance to live not just in an era of change, but in the era of the crypto-religious War of the Roses, and just as in the 15th century anti-Christian Valois have quarreled quasi-Christian York with quasi-Christian Lancaster, so now the Clintonoids, with the help of Solovyov and Chris Christie, are trying to quarrel Putin’s Russia and Trump America, trying to disguise the anti-Christian motivation of their actions with geopolitical and economic considerations.
And in order to get a free hand to extinguish the religious war in Ukraine, Donald and Melania Trump are forced to put up and even support the artistry of Marco Rubio and Vice President Pence in Venezuela.
In this sense, a very revealing interview with Donald Trump on the American Channel 2, which was plastered in pieces all over Russian TV channels, trying to show Trump’s aggressiveness in Venezuela.
In the meantime, in this interview, he was talking his way out from too insistent reporters as well as a year ago, he was talking his way out and even sent aircraft carriers on a cruise trip to the shores of Korea, in response to questions about Bolton, who then spoke about the need to implement in North Korea the Libyan scenario just about now, the same Bolton is walking in front of camera lenses with a pad on which is written about 5 thousand American soldiers sent to Colombia, which was once part of the Bolivarian Republic, just as Ukraine was a part of historical Russia.
I wanted to write a continuation of the previous posts about Venezuela, but I began to feel so good that yesterday I resumed working on my theory of statistical refraction of light in Newtonian model
LOL! By “good,” I’m guessing you mean you’ve been firing up the bong again – hopefully without the grain alcohol coolant this time. Good on ya Finc! Did you make the switch to Indica, like I recommended?
Sativa is more appropriate for blogging. Nothing stochastic about it.
Pot makes some people violent by lowering their inhibitions. In other words, they’re already violent. It obviously releases your mental/emotional violence against White Conservatives.
Another strike out by Kdog.
Cannabis makes people violent by lowering their inhibitions. I tell you what Janos, let’s smoke a war pipe. What do you say?
Why not smoke a peace pipe? If you ain’t gonna puff then please do pass it :-).
Need to consider Finc’s mental state, however.
I highly recommend this Face the Nation interview with Trump to see even those who who is anti-Trump, since the rudeness of the girl interviewing is so obvious that you will not have any doubts about what is happening and who demands to occupy Venezuela.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReCDMDK_uI4
Another laugh out loud moment for our foolish Dem friends (Seawolfy, I’m looking right at you!), who can evidently never get fooled again too often:
TOP NANCY PELOSI AIDE PRIVATELY TELLS INSURANCE EXECUTIVES NOT TO WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRATS PUSHING “MEDICARE FOR ALL”
LESS THAN A month after Democrats — many of them running on “Medicare for All” — won back control of the House of Representatives in November, the top health policy aide to then-prospective House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with Blue Cross Blue Shield executives and assured them that party leadership had strong reservations about single-payer health care and was more focused on lowering drug prices, according to sources familiar with the meeting.
Pelosi adviser Wendell Primus detailed five objections to Medicare for All and said that Democrats would be allies to the insurance industry in the fight against single-payer health care. Primus pitched the insurers on supporting Democrats on efforts to shrink drug prices, specifically by backing a number of measures that the pharmaceutical lobby is opposing.
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/05/nancy-pelosi-medicare-for-all/
Meet the new boss, same as the old, INDEED!
“Fake news. It’s a disgrace when people quote sources. Who is sources? I’d really like to meet Sources one day. I’m sure he’s a fine young man, or woman. Sources never seem to have a name. So sad really. They’re like ghosts. One day you’ll look in the dictionary under ghosts and next to it will be sources. It’s such a disgrace. I never heard of such a thing, the ” single payer system creates winners and losers.” I got news for you my friends, and not the fake news you’re peddling here. I know more about winners and losers than almost… almost… almost anyone really. Life creates winners and losers. Life made me a winner and like made Donald Trump a loser.” Nancy Pelosi
We’ll see soon enough. Pelosi’s always worshipped at the feet of the status quo that Obama represented. Never took you for a fake news guy. That’s Trump’s meme, ya know? Either way, Nancy Pelosi’s always been a pretender and never a contender. Living proof that if you simply hang around long enough and reliably genuflect at all the right moments you too can get your five minutes of fame.
As they’ll soon learn if they haven’t already, she’s a bigger impediment to the Dems’ newly elected young guns’ agenda than Trump is. This is the standard playbook for the Dems. Say one thing, then do exactly the opposite. That’s why sensible people are deserting them in droves, even for the likes of Trump.
2020 rumbling, can you hear it? Its the sound of the 3rd party option, getting more ripe every day. So many micro-identities, so many special interests, so many RINOs and DINOs.
And no time at all for them to come together in any way. It will be another red/blue show same as before but every time until America’s collapse each election will bring ever stranger goings on. Any coming together or failure to do so will be encouraged by deep state doings in memos from the top or in little micro-managements from below. It does not take much and they have the touch.
Green Alba … the link you provided upstream, pic of Cheyl Cole Tatts … Phew, now that’s I would call the Mother of all Tramp Stamps!!!
Brh
Well, I’m not ascribing any moral significance to it, brh – mostly I’m thinking of the pain! I hope she never decides to remove it -doesn’t bear thinking about…
You must have clicked on the wrong button. I ‘m only the dog and I’m real. Only one identity for me.
Nice Try.
I assumed brh just clicked ‘somewhere’ rather than deliberately suggesting anything about identities. I doubt anyone would mistake you for me – I know bugger all about IT for a start!
Or those mellowing products 🙂
Right!
The American public is the root cause of everything. They elect in the really bad representatives that cause the problems.
And they allow the stupidification of themselves by the media.
And yes, I include myself in the equation, but no longer.
Civil war?
The Soviet Union dissolved to prevent civil war. The same will happen here. What’s there to fight over? Abortion? Illegal immigrants? The Pledge of BeeJesus? The Playoff system in college football? The blue states run rings around red states economically, so at least we wouldn’t be carrying that bag of blue bricks anymore. Finally we get to set the freeloader states down. Finally we could thrive.
Two items
Andrew Cuomo is upset. His “tax the rich” policy in New York is driving millionaires out of New York State.
Surprise! Wait until the Dems in DC start driving the Elite out of the US, again.
AOC strikes again. The green new deal of hers is going to cost the economy of the US 7 trillion dollars for nothing but a big government power grab.
Trump wants $5.7 billion to secure the border to stabilize immigration. That is less than .1% of the CC amount. Ironically, Stopping population growth in the US by limiting immigration is the only thing that will slow AGW.
Aren’t you glad you voted in those Democrats, America.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and predict Trump will try and scare us with horror stories from the border. Hey that would make a great book title. Sometimes I amaze even myself with my wit and unfathomable creativity. You know I know more than just about anyone about writing and the book market. Stephen King, a moron. Grisham, congenitally dim-witted. Faulkner, Shakespeare, Hemingway, all of them pure pitiful pus-filled drivel. They are a disgrace to literature, to good taste- they are irredeemable. Would I have been a great writer? Probably. Just like I would have been a great general, admiral, emperor,czar, kaiser. I would have been the best Caesar. By far. It’s not even close folks. The best. Augustus, what a loser. Julius…please I prefer emperors who don’t get assassinated. %$^7*888****)(*&%^*(*(((&%$**((&*&*(&*(&. Bee dee bee dee beedeee. Trump Derangement Syndrome I guess. TDS. TDS. TDS! TDS!
Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai
Leon Trotsky = Lev Bronstein
Lev Kamenev = Leo Rosenfeld
Grigory Zinoviev = Hirsch Apfelbaum
Grigori Sikolnikov = Girsch Brilliant
And?
The Soviet Union was the Union of the Orthodox Russian people, Joseph Stalin and the world Jewry of the Third International.
And it was destroyed by the Doctors Plot, which finished the union of historical Russia and world Jewry, as a result of which aging Stalin found himself without qualified medical assistance.
Apparently Stalin was going to create some kind of Orthodox International instead of the Third International, but since he died without leaving the heir to these plans, and Nikita Khrushchev understood communism as an opportunity to eat without restrictions, then after the coup d’etat he organized in 1953 the USSR turned out to be a torso without a head.
And one of the main points of Khrushchev’s “de-Stalinization and exposure of the cult of personality” was the criticism of support by the Stalinists of the Orthodox Church.
Karl Marx = Moses Mordecai
Leon Trotsky = Lev Bronstein
Lev Kamenev = Leo Rosenfeld
Grigory Zinoviev = Hirsch Apfelbaum
Grigori Sikolnikov = Girsch Brilliant – Finca
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And from my old home town of Collingswood, NJ
Eugene Orowitz = Michael Landon (Bonanza)
Eugene Orowitz = Michael Landon (Bonanza)
He got his good looks from his Irish mother.
A friend told me today, that the reason for the low scoring game Sunday, was because both teams knew the winners would be invited to the White House.
Captain,
The reason it was a low-scoring game is because neither team resorted to the prevent defense…3 man rush…first seen in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter. Neither team’s offensive line could control the red-dog.
Cannabis Smoking Associated With Higher Sperm Count, Study Finds
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-06/cannabis-smoking-associated-with-higher-sperm-count-study-finds?srnd=premium
This should help stoners rise to the top of the evolutionary chain, since they shoot bigger and badder loads than any square. Yet another benefit of cannabis, and I haven’t mentioned it puts Viagra to shame as an aphrodisiac.
Very interesting! I think marijuana has lots of health benefits. It should switch places with alcohol when it comes to prohibition and stigma. Imagine cannabis bars.
And may be Jewish American banker Schiff financed Trotsky, just like German General Stuff financed Lenin (Lenin later took them for a ride), but for sure behind Trotsky was not Schiff, but Colonel House of “The Inquiry”, later becoming the Council on Foreign Relationship.
Also a Jew. Sorry not sorry.
SOTU coming up in 45 minutes…
I’m giddily awaiting the official declaration of the State of Emergency. I’ve got my party platter ready. Chips, Salsa and Guacamole.
Salsa and guacamole, oh the humanity.
Gosh I really do love avocados!
Look, its a bunch of lawyers, lobbyists, industry flaks, and a couple muslims in a room applauding themselves.
The whitecoat female bloc is really impressive. Congress has become a Dalmation or perhaps Holstein variety
Passed! Absolutely incredible.
nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/senate-middle-east-bill-bds.html
WASHINGTON — The Senate overwhelmingly approved a Middle East policy bill on Tuesday that included both a rebuke to President Trump over his withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan and a contested measure to allow state and municipal governments to punish companies that boycott, divest from or place sanctions on Israel.
I’ve never known what to make of this assertion that the Russian revolution was financed by Jacob Schiff.
The Birchers assert that Rothschilds paid for the
writing of the Communist Manifesto’.
Well, If you don’t know what to make of it spend a moment googling and you’ll find out it was commissioned by the Communist League. Originally published in London, in German, in 1848. Then you know the assertion is bullshit and won’t have to wonder.
So why did you not do it is what I wonder? But worry not, I won’t wonder long.
And who was behind the CL?
who is behind the NAACP?
Buzz Aldrin’s in the house.
What Buzz punch a moon landing hoaxer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUE4VGWAap4
If anyone wants to see 3 men under so much pressure to lie, 3 men who would be forced to carry this lie to their graves, 3 men who would plunge into recluse’s life, alcoholism,and have their mother murdered, watch this news conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI
You’re really invested in this one, ain’t you? I’m on the fence, but it definitely makes sense.
That one female whitesuit standing to clap “America has become the world’s leading oil and gas producer” while getting the stank eye from the rest…
Then every whitesuit standing to clap how “America is the greatest economy in the world by far”
The female whitesuits, mostly sitting the men standing chanting USA, USA…
The whitesuits are sitting pretty, thighs pressed together, looking for the signal from Nancy Pelosi
The whitesuits are sitting pretty, thighs pressed together, looking for the signal from Nancy Pelosi
The new virginal elite, perhaps? Sounds like too much The Handmaid’s Tale too me.
Listening to the SOTU I am reminded of the Wolf in Pulp Fiction when he was looking at the car after Vincent and Jules cleaned it and everyone cannot believe it and he says “Well let’s not start sucking our dicks just yet.”
But the wolf was talking to gentlemen.
‘Let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks quite yet, gentlemen.
But Jules and Vincent being gentlemen is debatable.
Great Gobs of Greasy Gobbledy-Gook!
Yes, I’m forcing myself to listen to this exercise in manure-spreading.
Aside from the rally-like chants of USA,USA,USA,USA indicating that serious thought has been replaced by reptilian, sports-addicted monkey hooting, I sense an egregious lack of decorum. (Well, now we know where we are and who is “leading” us into the darkness, don’t we?)
I was a little surprised at the pride evinced in treaty-busting, coup-supporting, and sanction-applying (and of course, the attendant applause). Forward, into the national nightmare! Hurrah me boys, Hurrah!
The Idiocracy has arrived and boy oh boy, it sure is proud of itself. Don’t forget to “choose” Greatness (capitol g), and support the march of smugnorance in all things.
And now, I’m having a hard time listening to the official “response” that appears to be nothing but more button-pushing about protecting the status quo and Great-Nation bullshit — just from a different angle.
Causes are not addressed and will not be heard by these fucking power hacks …because *they* are the basic impediments to start facing the predicaments that are HERE, NOW.
I’m more than disgusted; I no longer give much of a shit. That can’t be good.
This is totally your problem. I just posted this elsewhere …
I only burden you with the end:
No I ‘m not digressing in to Roman History. America once reflected the values of the five good emperors. That is why old libraries and college campuses look the way they do. What happened? I learned later in life the Northern Midwest states were in a benevolent bubble. Nothing was more important than education and in my youth there was actually a lively debate about if college was good for the soul or just all about money. Sadly I know now that was the rest of America working itself in.
Only crazy people then would consider what is going on now OK. It was a time before the church of me.
There used to be millions of us. Now I count about five here besides me.
And what got to the rest? Cheap gas and Hollywood did. Hours of Hollywood. Hollywood without end and they became Hollywood themselves. Vapid and empty. Over the years values were destroyed and what has been called the fourth turning; but is that a chicken in the egg thing and an abrogation of responsibility? That is my opinion and I’m good enough at making up things myself to have an opinion. Tonight the Orange Cherub Speaks to the nation. I’m not interested. He has never shared my values.
The five good emperors lived and there were others. A man can choose to be good as easily as bad.
K-dog,
I hear you. I didn’t buy into the “hooray for me and fuck you” rough beast zeitgeist that gathered all its hate and wagon-loads of bitter grievances and marched forward to punish and oppress with a bible and a flag.
Too bad for me, I guess.
It’s not that I didn’t know it was there; it’s the fact that we were so easily manipulated into turning on each other by the exhortations of the blue flickering glow. (Ring the bell and the doggie drools.)
But see, I always wanted to be friends.
Lol reptilian, sports-addicted monkey hooting. That is funny!
Complete with feces throwing!
Yes, some will just always be Simians without higher order thinking.
From Imprimis newsletter, January 2019, Volume 48, Number 1
“Seventy miles northwest of New York City is a hospital that looks like a prison, its drab buildings wrapped in layers of fencing and barbed wire. This grim facility is called the Mid-Hudson Forensic Psychiatric Institute. It’s one of three places the state of New York sends the criminally mentally ill…
“ A couple of years ago, Jackie was telling me about a patient. In passing, she said something like, Of course he’d been smoking pot his whole life.… Jackie would have been within her rights to say, I know what I’m talking about, unlike you. Instead she offered something neutral like, I think that’s what the big studies say. You should read them. … So I did… I soon realized that in all my years as a journalist I had never seen the gap between insider and outsider knowledge so great, or the stakes so high…
“Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation is wrong…
“They’ve told you marijuana has many different medical uses. In reality marijuana and THC, its active ingredient, have been shown to work only in a few narrow conditions. They are most commonly prescribed [sic] for pain relief. But they are rarely tested against other pain relief drugs like ibuprofen — and in July, a large four-year study of patients with chronic pain in Australia showed cannabis use was associated with greater pain over time…
“In reality, like alcohol, marijuana is too weak as a painkiller to work for most people who truly need opiates, such as terminal cancer patients. Even cannabis advocates, like Rob Kampia, the co-founder of the Marijuana Policy Project, acknowledge that they have always viewed medical marijuana laws primarily as a way to protect recreational users…
“[Use as a ‘gateway’ drug:]… a January 2018 paper in the American Journal of Psychiatry showed that people who used cannabis in 2001 were almost three times as likely to use opiates three years later, even after adjusting for other potential risks… advocates have told you that marijuana is not just safe for people with psychiatric problems like depression, but that it is a potential treatment for those patients… ‘How Does Cannabis Help Depression?’ is the topic of an article on Leafly, the largest cannabis website. But a mountain of peer-reviewed research in top medical journals shows that marijuana can cause or worsen severe mental illness, especially psychosis… Teenager who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia… After an exhaustive review, the National Academy of Medicine found in 2017 that ‘cannabis use is likely to increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and other psychoses; the higher the use, the greater the risk.’ Also that ‘regular cannabis use is likely to increase the risk for developing social anxiety disorder’ [my emphasis]…
“Legalization [over the past decade] has not led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually, only up to 15% from 10%… But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily, [i.e. daily], has soared [from 3 million in 2006 to 8 million in 2017]…
[a paragraph detailing the increased potency of cannabis over recent decades, up to 20 to 25% THC content, causing problems with the drug to soar along with its increased use.] “In states like Colorado, emergency room physicians have become experts on dealing with cannabis-induced psychosis… research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more comprehensively [than in the U.S.] shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use…
“In truth, psychosis is a shockingly high risk factor for violence… Drawing on earlier studies, the paper [2009 study by Dr. Seena Fazel, Oxford U. psychiatrist & epidemiologist, PLOS Medicine] found that people with schizophrenia are five times as likely to commit violent crimes as healthy people, and almost 20 times as likely to commit homicide… NAMI’s statement that most people with mental illness are not violent is of course accurate, given that ‘most’ simply means ‘more than half’; but it is deeply misleading. Schizophrenia is rare. But people with the disorder commit an appreciable fraction of all murders, in the range of six to nine percent…
“The marijuana-psychosis-violence connection is even stronger than those figures suggest. People with schizophrenia are only moderately more likely to become violent than healthy people when they are taking antipsychotic medicine and avoiding recreational drugs. But when they use those drugs, their risk of violence skyrockets… Along with alcohol, the drug that psychotic patients use more than any other is cannabis: a 2010 review of earlier studies… found that 27% of people with schizophrenia had been diagnosed with cannabis use disorder in their lives. And unfortunately — despite its reputation for making users relaxed and calm — cannabis appears to provoke many of them to violence…
“A Swiss study of 265 psychotic patients published in Frontiers of Forensic Psychiatry last June found that over a three-year period, young men with psychosis who used cannabis had a 50% chance of becoming violent. That risk was four times higher than for those with psychosis who didn’t use, even after adjusting for such as alcohol use… A 2013 paper in an Italian psychiatric journal examined almost 1600 psychiatric patients in southern Italy and found that cannabis use was associated with a ten-fold increase in violence…
“The most obvious way that cannabis fuels violence in psychotic people is through its tendency to cause paranoia — something even cannabis advocates acknowledge the drug can cause. The risk is so obvious that users joke about it and dispensaries advertise certain strains as less likely to induce paranoia… A 2007 paper in the Medical Journal of Australia on 88 defendents who had committed homicide during psychotic episodes found that most believed they were in danger from the victim [paranoia] and almost two-thirds reported mis-using cannabis — more than alcohol and amphetamines combined…
“Yet the link between marijuana and violence doesn’t appear limited to people with preexisting psychosis… In most cases, studies find that the risk is at least as significant as with alcohol… A 2012 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined a federal survey of more than 9,000 adolescents and found that marijuana use was associated with a doubling of domestic violence…
“The first four states to legalize marijuana for recreational use were Colorado and Washington in 2014 and Alaska and Oregon in 2015. [In four years after legalization, combined, they had an increase of 37% for murders & 25% for aggravated assault.] … police reports, news stories, and arrest warrants suggest a close link in many cases… Cannabis is also associated with a disturbing number of child deaths from abuse and neglect — many more than alcohol, and more than cocaine, methamphetamines, and opioids combined — according to reports from Texas, one of the few states to provide detailed information on drug use by perpetrators…
“… police departments… have been slow to recognize the trend, in part because the epidemic of opioid overdose deaths has overwhelmed them… Hard data on the relationship between marijuana and madness dates back 150 years, to British asylum registers in India… Whether cannabis should be legal is a political issue. But its precise legal status is far less important than making sure that anyone who uses it is aware of its risks…
Tate,
You funny. And long-winded. And off-topic.
BUT, you are obviously passionate about this evils-of-pot thing. Maybe you should start burning down pot shops to indicate the sincerity of your views. That might make you feel better and help eradicate the ‘madness’ problem.
If they are stoned how do they get motivated to do violence? Of course if I was a chocolate brownie I would be be quaking in my boots, if I had boots.
Lets take Taters on good faith.
Don’t pass the joint to the psychotic. And if he gets high, watch out for the random act of senseless violence.
Easy for you to say. He’ll pass it to you but skip over me cuz he thinks me psychotic.
If ‘Taters’ indulged he’d not be a fried sweet potato he’d just be fried. Likely extra crispy bar-b-q flavored fried. And after writing as much as he did if he was a ‘head’ he’d have had to have torched up. He might want to kick a dog or two but likely would pass out and take a nap first. No foul.
I bet the only way a lot of people could deal with Trump last night was to be stoned.
It does appear Gore Vidal was as much a visionary as a contemporary chronicler when he spoke of this country as ‘the United States of Amnesia.’ That’s just what our masters want, of course, to turn the estimable ‘shitizens’ even more into a mindless maaaass of easily controllable sheep with no recall of what happened last week let alone two or five or ten years ago. It’s all part of the plan, folks. (Or you’re part of the plan, that is.)
Well whatever the case, smoking weed does wonders relieving menstrual cramps.
What a load of steaming horse shit.
Generally speaking, horse shit – commonly referred to as “road apples” back in the day – doesn’t steam. Too dry. Similar to “sweat like a pig (or sometimes dog), both of whom don’t sweat at all, it’s a metaphor that doesn’t quite add up. Maybe you were going for bull/cow shit? Now THAT shit definitely steams!
Hey Lil Deb
How do you think they clean those white suits after they have been playing in their sandbox all day?
Congressional Laundry service. You send any garment or suitcase full of cash. Presto! Its laundered.
Pretty snappy comment. Score one for the Snacker.
Women in Congress want to be taken seriously and treated with respect, right?
The white suits tonight set that back by a couple of decades.
Washington DC needs to learn about the Golden rule.
Totally agree John. And seriously, why did AOC have to wear a cape lol?
I didn’t watch it, but that must have been a sight. Women definitely do have it all over men when it comes to dramatic gestures.
And so many other ways too that don’t meet the eye ;-). Keep one eye open when you sleep lol.
They should have all worn Venetian masks like in “Eyes Wide Shut.” That would have put the creep up Big Daddy’s arse.
Or they’d have turned off the cameras and had a full blown Roman orgy, Caligula style. Knowing our Congress critters, I’d bet on that.
Pelosi and Schumer doing the jungle boogie.
I won’t be able to eat dinner tonight and maybe not even tomorrow after that truly disgusting vision. Thank you
Nick Taleb’s Skin in the Game theory is what I am thinking about watching these elected officials and the promises they are making.
Do they have skin, in the game?
https://ralphnaderradiohour.com/skin-in-the-game/
More to the point, who’s holds title to their skins while the game plays out? The house always wins, and we all know who owns the house. The game is just an illusion for entertainment purposes.
Wow how friggin embarassing. First of all you get together and make a pact to wear white to protest the giant sexist patriarch. Fine, got it. Then you also coordinate super b*tch attitudes to make sure the giant sexist patriarch knows you hate him. Been there done that. YET! When the giant sexist patriarch says that HIS economy employs more women then ever before you actually stand up gleefully cheering and celebrating HIS success. And on top of that, clearly none of you knew what to do without Mother Pelosi’s signals. Ugggghhhhhh!!!!!!!! Even big daddy himself had to tell you you weren’t supposed to do that!!!!
OMG. The white suits. As if women are more virtuous? Is that the wedding dress of 2019? I was horrified. The libs have truly turned into a party of women against men. A stage show for the minions.
I know! I literally can’t deal with it anymore lol. I hated AOC’s cape blazer. Really wtf :-)!!
She’s a Super Hero. All Mexican wrestlers are super heroes and wear capes and masks and what not. She’s also our Strong Brown Girl. She will serve us whether she would or not. In other words, it’s too late for America as formed. So it has to go in order to even have a chance for rebirth. AOC is helping that to happen.
I’ll simply have to trust you in this :-). She gets on my nerves but if you say she is ultimately a good thing I will have to work on patience. Now that you mention it, I can picture her donning cape and mask and pouncing around in the ring lol. She is the Brawling Bronx Barmaid or BBB!
Her generation lives in a world of Stan Lee and Marvel comics. Just a measure of how deluded the Millenials are.
From another angle, America always needs a ditzy Latin American sexpot, be Loupy, Charro, or Sophia Vegarra. The latter is getting a little old and I think the mantel has passed to AOC.
” population is a bull that needs to be taken by the horns.” Perhaps some papal bull(shit) would be a good place to start. ”
oh ?
Do , please , give to the Pope and his idiot ilk a detailed historical lecture on how splendidly eugenics and Social Darwinist schemes have worked out so many times in the past.
The repeated and consistent historical track record seems to indicate that the crackpot pseudo- religious fancies of your lot have produced far more sterile sex -hating celibates than Catholic dogma ever could , or ever would.
But then I suppose sterile , sex-hating celibates are exactly what you want ?
— As long as they are not Catholic sterile , sex-hating celibates?
Anyway , good luck coming up with a legitimate historical analysis that even remotely indicates any other outcome.
I suppose you would claim too that you aren’t talking about eugenics or Social Darwinism ,
though I’m not going to hold my breathe waiting for you to offer up a credible and practical means of taking the sex drive by the horns , that isn’t totalitarian or grossly authoritarian.
” “Considering the reproductive rate of 1st World countries, who is to say that He did not?”
Someone needs to tell the pope, EF. ”
The Pope already knows that, and that is why he doesn’t listen to your sort.
And it is sufficient that you don’t pay heed to your own evidences.
We may be ignorant , but we invariably out -breed and out -number you.
And you are the superstitious one to think it will turn out differently this time because you wish it so.
” Someone needs to tell the pope, EF. ”
” Tell ” ?
The fake ( ? ) , or stupid ( ? ) condescension of you folks really does get annoying.
The only status , property , education , or cultural sophistication you possess is what Christianity gave you .
Outside of what Christianity gave you , you would be not one jot above the level of a beast of the field.
As it is never the less , you make a head -hunting animist in Borneo look good.
“But then I suppose sterile , sex-hating celibates are exactly what you want ?”
No, sex is fantastic as you know yourself. Sterility is shit, if you desperately want a couple of kids. All the Catholic church needs to do is NOT tell people ‘artificial’ contraception is wrong, so that they can enjoy sex without having a child every year. That’s all. It doesn’t need to embrace abortion either. Loads of people who aren’t religious don’t exactly embrace it either, even though they don’t presume to think it’s their decision in individual cases.
“We may be ignorant , but we invariably out -breed and out -number you.”
Ignorant or not, I am aware that you do. So?
“As it is never the less , you make a head -hunting animist in Borneo look good.”
What I look like to your chip-on-the-shoulder, ranting self means diddly to me.
“though I’m not going to hold my breathe waiting for you to offer up a credible and practical means of taking the sex drive by the horns , that isn’t totalitarian or grossly authoritarian.”
Nobody said anything about the sex drive – you made that up.
“As long as they are not Catholic sterile , sex-hating celibates?”
Like these ones?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47134033
Dunno, Kesa, I’ll leave that to you.
“The only status , property , education , or cultural sophistication you possess is what Christianity gave you .”
And the human mind gave us Christianity, so for the good that is in it, we did pretty well. For the bad that is in it, well, humans aren’t ever going to be perfect.
Over in GB, you Brits have been hammering Catholics since Henry VIII threw them out of the country in the 1530s, confiscated their property, invaded Catholic Ireland and set their pirate navy on Catholic Spain and France, at burned at the stake anybody who still celebrated Mass.
Brh
Are you making an accusation to me, brh, as if I have done something to Catholics?
That would be like me accusing you of the evils of slavery? Wouldn’t it?
This is how tribalist nonsense starts – and never ends.
Fortunately I’m an ex-prod married to a still-Irish ex-Catholic, so we have moved on. I suggest you do the same.
Well said Alba. The Blacks will never stop blaming Whites for slavery. That’s why integration is doomed.
Are you making an accusation?
I read it as a statement of 2 facts.
One of genocide, two of your people being those of England and maybe Scotland.
If you dont identify with the Brits and their ‘sun never sets on our empire’, so be it. I dont like to think about what USA has done.
I suspect whatever you read it as is not exactly correct.
There has been no genocide. There have been vile killings of Catholics, just as there have been vile killings of Protestants. Vile killings are one of those things religions (among other obsessions and ideologies) cause from time to time.
But, with apologies for the pedantry, brh’s use of ‘you Brits have been hammering Catholics since Henry VIII…’ etc. etc. uses the perfect continuous tense, which suggests the hammering is still going on. Which is of course nonsense. The UK has had state Catholic schools since 1944, which basically means we subsidise them to indoctrinate children in their faith 🙂 .
*brh’s ‘you Brits…*
“and set their pirate navy on Catholic Spain and France,”
Funny how things work out. ‘Catholic Spain’ forgot the ‘thou shalt not steal’ thing and nicked all that Inca gold. Then the English (you do remember it was just ‘England’ back then, so I don’t even inherit your accusation from my ancestors?) also forgot the ‘thou shalt not steal’ thingy and stole it in turn from the Spanish.
Elizabeth I, a Christian likewise untroubled by theft (and general slaughter), used her ill-gotten gains to pay off the English (not British) national debt and invested the balance in the Levant Company, which I believe then morphed into the East India Company. The rest, as they say, is history.
So the entire Empire was basically a result of those forgetful Christians ignoring their 10 commandments and stealing Inca gold from the benighted heathens. More of Christianity’s ‘cultural sophistication’…
All a tongue-in-cheek paraphrase (of someone else’s in fact, up to the East India company bit, but embellished with my moral comment) so I’m not defending the detail.
Actually they are my ancestors, GA, Puritans who came over here in the 17th century because they felt the Church of England was too Catholic, and not Protestant enough.
I love your sharp retorts, GA. Its not hard to get a rise out of you, as we used to say. It reminds me of a little incident we had here last summer. We had guests from Spain, including a little blond blue eyed 4 year old niece. She got into everything, and one day when I walked in the kitchen I found her climbing up on some cabinets looking for candy we had put out of reach. I kind of shouted “Maria get down from there”. She turned and said something to me in Spanish just as her mother walked in. I asked “what she say?”
“You’re a liar, and your feet stink!”
She had me pegged.
Brh
“Its not hard to get a rise out of you,”
Haha, I know 🙂 . My sins are many and I’m aware of most of them.
I like your story of the little girl. I don’t think she’s quite acquired my pedantic logical reasoning skills yet, though!
I think I recall you said your ancestors were from Kent? I have friends in Ashford, who are not going to be amused by all those lorries in April, haha, and a sister–in-law from Gillingham.
A bit of useless Kentish info: there are some anopheles mosquitoes on the Kentish coast just waiting for mischief, accident or climate change to bring malarial infection to our shores. Even leaving the EU can’t keep all foreigners out!
Yes, they speak Spanish when they want to insult us. Different languages are divisive. One English village boasts – Boasts – that is has over a hundred different language speakers. Alba probably thinks that is a legitimate culture. But obviously there is nothing left – it’s just a locale administrated from Above.
“One English village boasts – Boasts – that is has over a hundred different language speakers. Alba probably thinks that is a legitimate culture. ”
Alba will tell you what she thinks when you provide a reference for the village story. For now she’s just thinking Ha. Ha. Ha.
And wondering what your definition of a village is. London?
The Bible, esp. the NT is a guidebook from God on how to handle the bad side of us, in your words. Man’s problem is that not enough people pay attention.
I think you may be replying to Kesa, JohnAZ, but am not sure. So, I’ll put in my own tuppence-worth anyway, with apologies if you didn’t remotely want it.
I’d say if you are a Christian, you could describe it thus – and I was for many decades.
If you’re not, or not any more, you might see it (as with other major religious scripture) as a human attempt* to make sense of what and who we are and to create a framework to help us do exactly what you suggest. But with a really, really big stick. People who are not religious still have little difficulty in recognising good and evil, although particular boundaries might differ (as indeed they do within the Christian world).
I don’t see it as something worth arguing about – religious people aren’t going to ‘get’ non-religious people, without looking down on them as not having seen the light or whatever.
Likewise, it’s difficult for non-religious people to understand the religious mind. I’m privileged to have been both, so I ‘get’ both sides.
*more like multiple attempts, the Bible being a hodge-podge of sometimes contradictory books put together by committee, with a good number of related ones left out.
GA: I used to be “religious” too, but I repented [ changed mind ].
The Kingdom of God is a form of government, not a religion. Spiritual awareness is turned into religion by men as they interpret what they are told in combination with what they experience. When “many false spirits have went out into the world” innovation becomes a curse.
False g-o-d-s are rulemakers without the authority to make rules. All Law must be in accord with higher law. You have no [ zero ] God-given right to serve a false-god.
Without respect for God’s authority, we stumble in darkness [ the chaos of thousands of competing belief (secular and religious) systems ].
I appreciate your point of view, Messianicdruid. We aren’t going to agree on the fundamentals (the existence of God in the first place) but I do appreciate your effort to whittle away unnecessary layers of human belief systems. And who knows what any of us will believe or no longer believe 10 years from now?
I don’t feel I’m stumbling in darkness to any great degree, even though I know you presume it on my behalf.
I start simply with the doctors’ imperative: First do no harm.
That’s a whole lot to be going on with.
“And who knows what any of us will believe or no longer believe 10 years from now?”
Did you see the recent Ancient Aliens program where they were discussing that big pyramid down south?
I expect more such programming over the next few years. The genetic technology alone allows anyone with even a little imagination to forsee alien looking [ sized ] bipeds.
Where you go with that takes another level of imagination [ or information ].
There’s no “bad” in Christianity.
People are imperfect. The set of People includes all Christians.
Contrast that with the fake moon-religion of Islam. There are a lot of essentially good Muslims. Unfortunately, they live, work & love under a very bad religion that teaches them to do bad things.
“There’s no “bad” in Christianity.”
Thank you for your *opinion*, Tate. It lives alongside many others.
Well, that was gratuitous.
Re ‘cultural sophistication’, some recommended reading from two mutually bitching sides of your Christian world:
(1) the hellfire sermon from Portrait of the Artist… You’ll have read it, I know, but read it again. A distillation of the cultural sophistication that was actually fed to young Catholic minds in Ireland. AKA child abuse.
(2) from the proddy/fundie side, anything of Joe Bageant’s regarding the religious inheritance of his people. Or as he would call it, mass psychosis.
http://dissidentvoice.org/Nov2004/Bageant1116.htm
http://dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Bageant0322.htm
http://dissidentvoice.org/May2004/Bageant0518.htm
I can’t find the one from the book I have that describes how he remembers the utter existential terror of coming home, as a child, to find no-one there and thinking all his family except him have been ‘raptured’ up to God and he’s a Left Behind. He reckons, even once you’ve mentally escaped, the existential terrors can stay with you and surface from time to time, and that no-one not brought up with these horrors can really understand that.
I wasn’t brought up by fundies but I do know what he means.
So yeah, ‘cultural sophistication’? A mixed bag at best.
And your usual, ‘but look what the so-called Enlightenment gave us’, yadda, yadda, won’t cut it. If all you can say in defence of your tribe is that you’re no worse than those outside it, it’s probably best to say nothing.
Pretty goofy, Kesh. The Pope is totally on board the zero population growth bus. He’s lauds abortionists, etc. He’s not Catholic.
Janos, have you watched the Ann Barnhardt vid on the Bergoglian Anti-papacy?
https://www.barnhardt.biz/the-bergoglian-antipapcy/
Yes, I’m a big fan. Crazy Ann (who was introduced to me and this site by Ozone via her Koran burning video) with the Medusa Eyes is one of the smartest bloggers in the Anglo-Catholic sphere.
Despite not speaking Spanish or German, she tries very hard to find out what the Argentinians think about Bergoglio (a well known monster) and what the Germans have to say about the roots of the dual Papacy – that Ratzinger and Co have been obsessed with this for decades in order to move closer to Protestantism and ultimately, a World Religion.
Ann put on a few pounds in middle age and actually looks much better than she used to. The fanaticism is unchanged though – and that’s a good thing considering how lax Everyone is.
does she still post new talks on youtube?
When she called us chemtrail folks nuts, I stopped.
That and the religion pushing.
Also for years I saw no new talks.
He’s lauds abortionists, ???huh?
Philip of Macedon was assassinated by his gay lover, Pausanias, whom Philip had thrown away for another gay lover. The last thing that Philip saw on this Earth was his 20 year old son, Alexander, starring down at him as he bled to death. What a way to go….
Philip’s wife and Alexander the Great’s “Mom”, Olympias , went literally to bed with snakes. Philip stopped sleeping with her because he thought that the Snake Thang was weird.
Philip of Macedon had just sacrificed a big bull to the gods for good luck before launching his military campaign against the Persians and then Philip gets assassinated by his former Homo lover, Pausanias. What Gives, Man?!
Well you see the sexual revolution is nothing new ……..
I just read about him in “The 48 Laws of Power.” He became so enamored with the Persian way of life he forsook his Greek heritage and the Greeks turned against him. I didn’t know he was buggering the king.
Yes, Al was an early multi-culturalist. He wanted to be worshiped as a God. The first among equals way of European Kings and the Nobles became distasteful to him.
She can kill with a clap, she can wound with her eyes
And she’s far from impressed with your Soviet ties
And she’d quite like to stab you and laugh as you bleed
She thinks you’re a child but she’s Nancy Pelosi to me
Daddy Daddy Daddy, give me give me give me, credit card to spendy, lots a yo money.
Money money money, make me so happy, happy happy happy, but I still bust a cap in yo ass.
Don’t confuse me which yo baby, cuz I won’t let you play me, your success just drives me crazy, but you will never get a pass.
I hate yo bitch ass but I love you at the same time, you are always and forever on my mind.
Daddy Daddy Daddy…….
Hero worship much? She’s a female ass-clown who worships the status quo who’s finally found the spotlight to bask in for a few fleeting moments. She’ll soon fade like all the rest, probably due to justifiable unrest within her own party.
Second best is what you get ’til you learn to bend the rules
And time respects no person, and what you lift up must fall
They’re waiting outside to claim my tumblin’ walls
Saw my picture in the paper
Read the news around my face
And now some people
Don’t want to treat me the same
When the walls come tumblin’ down
When the walls come crumblin’, crumblin’
When the walls come tumblin’, tumblin’
Down
!
Does your house have walls? Why? Think about it. It’s not rocket science but when you get like this, you aint no rocket scientist.
He’s psychotic, often self-induced.
“She can kill with the clap, she can wound with her eyes…”
Wolfie,
Billy Joel originally wrote the first line thus, but was assaulted with an attack of good judgment before publishing….