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     The techno-narcissism flowed like a melted Slurpee this torrid weekend at the annual Aspen Environment Forum where scores of scientists, media figures, authors, professors, and policy wonks convened to settle the world’s hash – at least in theory. The trouble started Friday night when Stewart Brand, 74, impresario of The Whole Earth Catalog, and an economic cornucopian these days, exhorted the skittish audience to show a little goshdarn optimistic spirit about the future instead of just griping about climate change, peak oil, imploding global finance, and a few other vexing trifles. The audience’s response was to not line up and buy a signed copy of his latest book. 
     The Aspen Institute is supported by a bizarre array of corporate donors and individuals ranging from the secretive, devious, extreme right-wing Koch brothers to Goldman Sachs, to Michael Eisner to Duke Energy. The mission of the Environment Forum is divided about equally between publicizing the gathering horrors of climate change and promoting an ethos of wishful thinking that all the problems of mankind will yield to technological rescue remedies.
    It’s a very odd mix of hard-headed science and the most dismaying sort of crypto-religious faith in happy endings, tinged with overtones of corporate log-rolling and government propaganda. The basic message is: the world is hopelessly fucked up but thank God for technology. There is not even a dim apprehension that many of the aforementioned vexations originate in technology itself, and its blowbacks. Alas, this is about the best that the American intelligentsia can do right now, collectively, and it explains why we have such uniformly impotent and clueless leadership across the board in America, from the White House to the CEO offices to the diploma mills to the news media and every other realm of endeavor where thinking realistically about the future might be considered valuable.
     Another strange notion permeating this forum – and probably the entire Progressive intellectual class in America – is the belief that if you can measure things, you can control them. Thus, an endless regurgitation of statistics, which, after a while, resembles liturgical incantation and, pretty much, serves the same purpose, namely an obsessive-compulsive ritual aimed at calming the nerves. If it was, after all, techno-magic that led us to poison the oceans and upset the calibration of the earth’s atmosphere, then maybe fresh applications of magic can make all those bad things go away, fighting fire with fire, shall we say.
     Speaking of fire, there was one burning up the valley from Aspen, which made the whole town smell like barbeque Sunday morning while six other wildfires blazed all around Colorado. One of them, the High Park fire, has been going for two weeks and burned over 82,000 acres so far with no sign of petering out. Temperatures in the high Rockies soared over 90 degrees all weekend and there was practically no snowpack left up in the elevations – a spooky development this early in the summer.
      The odor of empire’s end also hangs over Aspen these days, despite the sheen of spectacular wealth visible around the little town and the emanations of glowing health in the buff and tanned population of exercise freaks. Everything that makes the town tick is in danger of unraveling. The ski industry can’t possibly survive the eventual effects of peak oil, and the collapse of commercial aviation will put an end to the conveyer belt of tourists. The villas of the Wall Street and Hollywood kingpins that decorate the ridge lines above town give off a desolate vibe of futility, as if the foregone disaster of a global banking meltdown had already sent their once-proud owners to bankruptcy Palookaville. The place gave off eerie intimations of a ghost town in-the-making.
      Anyway you looked at America from the vantage of Aspen, Colorado, everything we do and stand for looks out of kilter. Our intellectual resources look spent, our prospects seem grim, and our assets are going up in flames. Maybe there’s some consolation that we’re not Europe. That said, I have never been to a conference in all my vagabond years where so many magnificent buffet spreads and overflowing gorgeous snack tables were laid in never-ending succession. It almost persuaded me that the old Right Reverend Malthus was too Malthusian.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. tpverde June 24, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    Aspen in the good old days, before being permanently colonized by the effete, was a different world, but then the world was different too. Great allusion to the bit of synchronicity in the background ‘highlighted’ by the worst/earliest fire season in memory as the green illuminati chart the course to controlling the growing chaos.
    Ever grateful to have pulled up stakes a couple of decades ago and carved a niche in a warm climate, rural area, where things may go wrong, but not so horribly so. My neighbors are too busy planting and tending their herds to get worked up about sustainable approaches based on high falutin’ technology. When gas goes sky high, we go back to bikes, horses and walking. There’s no where that far to go.

  2. DEC46 June 25, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    Wow,
    First time ever that I’ve gone to this page & found ‘no comments’ but took way too long to write my submittal & register on the site.
    Right on about Colorado! It seems almost the entire state has wildfires, from Fort Collins in the north to Colorado Springs in the south. I’ve never seen it this bad in my 40+ years of living here. It’s unfortunate that the Forest Service let all those dead trees decay & turn into dry tinder for the last couple of decades.
    Overall I guess we’ve messed with Mother Nature for entirely too long, & payback is a bitch.
    DEC

  3. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    Offtopic…
    dale I had given you this info 2 ? years ago:
    Alan Wallace’s Buddhist Teachers
    http://www.alanwallace.org/Buddhist%20Teachers%20&%20Teachings.pdf
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
    Dzongtse Rinpoche, from whom he first learned spoken and written. Tibetan and … Kalu Rinpoche, from whom he received the Kalachakra empowerment .

  4. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    ‘The basic message is: the world is hopelessly fucked up but thank God for technology’
    Id say its more…technology makes the world f–d up but thank God for peak oil.

  5. Dangerous Christian June 25, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    I’m amazed that in recent years-with all that’s going on in our world-we’re seeing a spike in “techno-summits”. It appears that everyone’s pushing some sort of technology-be it mobile, computer, car, or military-that’s going to “save” the world.
    I realize that this may be our technological “whistling in the graveyard”. Instead of preparing for an either scaled-down technology or post-technological world, we’re still hoping that we’ll create some whiz-bang technology that will allow us to keep going full steam ahead with our rapacious living on Earth and not suffer the consequences.
    Then again, pixie dust works great in a pinch too!

  6. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    There has to be big bucks in it for some, yes?
    The Gadget Companies, the speakers, look at CES
    in Vegas. In the ‘largest columned building in the world’. However it does not fill the whole building.
    I just looked at RedBulls ‘The Red Bulletin’, ‘beyond the ordinary magazine’. yuk.

  7. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    For those traveling thru Reno Airport, I got a kick out of this….cant remember where I found this:
    A painting of Che Guevara subtitled “Revolucion!” by a Mexican–American artist is on display at the International Airport in Reno, Nevada, USA.
    Ernesto “Che” Guevara scorned Mexicans as “a rabble of illiterate Indians,” jailed artists at a higher rate than Stalin, co-founded the terrorist movement that pulled off among the first and deadliest airplane hijackings in the Western Hemisphere, and craved to nuke the USA.
    In November 1958, Cubana Airlines Flight 495 from Miami to Varadero was hijacked at gunpoint by terrorists belonging to Castro and Che’s July 26th Movement. The plane crashed in Cuba killing 14 passengers.
    Che’s glowing face now greets all passengers preparing to board at Reno-Tahoe Airport. How very thoughtful of airport officials.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………

  8. Pucker June 25, 2012 at 1:21 am #

    I recall that Eleuthro may have said that he’s a retired California high school teacher, or a retired California community college teacher.
    http://dollarcollapse.com/welcome-to-the-third-world/welcome-to-the-third-world-part-5-higher-education-goes-broke/

  9. Landro Lire June 25, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    Strange how the internet and people like you propagate BS. “I saw this quoted somewhere, posted ona wall from somewhere else so it’s true”.
    Che as Minister of Education initiated the world class strong arts community we now have in Cuba. Che Guevara worked in Central Mexico City General Hospital (for the poor) for two years and had an abiding respect for and love of the indigenous Mexicans. Today poorer Mexicans revere him. The air hijacking you speak of was part of the revolutionairie action against the CIA backed butcher Fulgencia Batista. Since then there had been dozens of hijackings by Miami based ex-pat Cuban terrorists e.g. the worst being the CIA funded Luis Posada Carriles 1976 air bombing murder of 78 on flight 455. Get at least some “facts” straight Anti Soak.

  10. Gene@GG June 25, 2012 at 1:53 am #

    Hey Jim,
    Long time….
    Stewart Brand was a keynoter at the 2010 Gaining Ground Conference in Vancouver and, as at Aspen, left people unsettled with his certainty about a nuclear future, chemically ‘painting’ the tops of clouds to reflect some of the sun’s warming effects, and other techno-fixes.
    There is something initially (and briefly) calming and hope-inducing about Stewart’s and others’ whiz-bang tech responses. Generally, the problem comes when these fixes lead to a hundred unintended consequences, including the creation of new monsters.
    Congratulations on the new book.
    Gene

  11. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 2:22 am #

    He ran Fidels Gulag!
    Thats fact enough for me….

  12. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 3:06 am #

    ‘We now have in Cuba’!
    Are you posting from Cuba?
    TT – Cuba – INTERNET Acess in Cuba
    cubafaq.tripod.com/internet.htm
    The Internet is banned in Cuba,……….
    What I originally posted is from Front Page.

  13. Senneth June 25, 2012 at 3:23 am #

    According to a friend of mine who escaped from Cuba and knew Che intimately, he was a sociopathic murderer, who killed his cousin, and many other people in Cuba. My friend is writing a book about what happened back then.
    Obviously different people who knew Che have differing opinions of him.
    Great post, Jim. Just read Stoneleigh’s post at The Automatic Earth, and it was a good one as well. Things are literally heating up for us all here on planet Earth.

  14. k-dog June 25, 2012 at 4:23 am #

    The basic message is: the world is hopelessly fucked up but thank God for technology.

    Human beings are wired to believe that technology can fix everything. It has been this way since the first two legged fool came down from trees. To think otherwise would require a paradigm shift which can’t happen soon enough to prevent extinction. Unfortunately.

  15. bubbleheadMarc June 25, 2012 at 6:38 am #

    Better column than the recent ones preoccupied with economics. I’ll buy the new book.

  16. Leibowitz Society June 25, 2012 at 6:58 am #

    Science has become a tool of whatever funding source it can obtain from whatever special interest will give to it. Science is supposed to be impartial and occupied with the pursuit of truth, regardless of who likes or doesn’t like whatever message is associated with it. When it becomes what it has now, it is just another sign that we are entering a Dark Age.
    Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com for more information and commentary related to the new Dark Age.

  17. Jimmy Drinkwater June 25, 2012 at 7:09 am #

    Interesting to get a read on what takes place at those conclaves these days JHK.

    The place gave off eerie intimations of a ghost town in-the-making.

    I lived in Aspen from 1968 to 1971, mostly for the skiing but also for the fun. (Hunter was running for sheriff) It had one traffic light, no airport and not one condo yet, if you can feature that. The place was barely on it’s way back from being a ghost town at the time. We lived in a cold and drafty old miner’s house for cheap, the remnants of an earlier boom and bust.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  18. mow June 25, 2012 at 7:10 am #

    something is there

  19. Onthego June 25, 2012 at 7:11 am #

    Technology is the future. 1984 is really here, and only 30 years late! In my little rural corner of New York State, the police, the border patrol and DHS goons are putting up cameras on light poles as fast as they can (in case a bad guy drives by). The county is exploring options to cut the costs of court by putting in a remote camera arraignment system. First they catch you doing something with a camera, and then you get to go to court with another camera. Perfect symmetry. Wonder if you get to serve your time in the slammer by video. Maybe not, but I bet you can pay your fine with an electronic check.

  20. Jason Heppenstall June 25, 2012 at 7:23 am #

    Have we forgotten that once we design technology it in turn starts to redesign us?
    Here in Copenhagen we have recently played host to your illustrious Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who took the opportunity to declare an agenda of bilateral ‘sustainable growth’. This apparently means manufacturing lots of green technological fixes that will not just save our souls but make us all rich too.
    I seem to remember the days when sustainability as a word just stood on its own. Then it turned into ‘sustainable development ‘ … and now is ‘sustainable growth’. Whatever next?
    http://www.22billionenergyslaves.blogspot.dk/

  21. Jimmy Drinkwater June 25, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    I seem to remember the days when sustainability as a word just stood on its own. Then it turned into ‘sustainable development ‘ … and now is ‘sustainable growth’. Whatever next?

    Uncanny how the merchandising never rests.
    “The capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with” and all that.
    BTW, it’s an uncomfortable thought to see HRC referred to as ‘your’ SoS.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  22. BeingThere June 25, 2012 at 7:39 am #

    Thanks JHK for sharing this event with us. Seems like a tailor-made illustration for your new book which I can’t wait to read.
    Yep, everything about this country is corporatism, PR and big money behind every event that tries to push new investments. The idea is to convince everyone that we always have an answer.
    The Koch brothers are behind both the worst set of labor laws, corporate pollution and promoting anti-science attitudes, while backing PBS shows on science. Lest you forget that they went to Ivy league schools. At the moment they will be contributing $400 million and counting to Romney. Now that’s a progressive move.
    Stay tuned for the green energy bubble. But Oh, my, in the real world, Solyndra went down in flames, hmmm.
    Only Germany with the sunlight of Alaska was able to fit individual homes with solar panels because it’s set up to work on a small scale and feed into the grid where the homeowner can actually make money with their excess energy. Now that doesn’t fit in with the monopoly model, does it?
    The cognitive dissonance of the forest fires ablaze as a backdrop would be truly hilarious if it weren’t so sad.

  23. Newfie June 25, 2012 at 8:32 am #

    Such is life at the end of Empire.

  24. Jimmy Drinkwater June 25, 2012 at 8:34 am #

    Only Germany with the sunlight of Alaska was able to fit individual homes with solar panels because it’s set up to work on a small scale and feed into the grid where the homeowner can actually make money with their excess energy. Now that doesn’t fit in with the monopoly model, does it?

    No it does not, it’s hard to a put a meter on the sun. The ideas of centralized alternative energy conjures up ugly and impractical images of solar arrays covering square miles of desert or wind farms on every ridge line.
    Alt energy could be effective and practical, in increments, following more the de-centralized German model you mention when building and consumer codes not only allow but encourage and outline how every house can implement things like solar orientation of the building lot, landscape planning for shade and air movement, solar collectors, small, vertical wind turbines, on demand hot water heaters, and appliances that make sense like refrigerators well insulated and with the heat producing cooling components on top of the cabinet or perhaps even in a remote location. These kinds of living changes, de-centralized to the consumer level could collectively amount to huge differences.

  25. 8man June 25, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178031
    [quote=”nameta9″]Why most of the USA, EU and JAPAN are destined to low to zero or negative economic growth for many years in the future no matter what structurally, no matter what economical policies they choose (either left or right no difference), Anything any government does, any politics either right or left, Democratic or Republican won’t change any of these deep large scale structural effects killing any future economic growth for years:
    1) Technology kills more jobs than creates;
    2) Hundreds of millions of new workers worldwide available now, China, India, Indonesia, etc;
    3) Saturated markets, the west has bought all it needs, it has already way too much stuff;
    4) Resources are strained, Oil is running out, agriculture strained, etc.
    5) No new big technology novelties that can create many jobs;
    6) Population is higher and higher, too many people for too little wealth;
    7) Green ideology and evironmentalists kill developments and possible growth (against, skyscrapers, high speed trains, etc.);
    8 ) Environment is strained, pollution and such;
    9) Much older population, too old to work, old people not good enough for technology;
    10) Accumulation of debts, too many pensions to pay, etc.;
    11) Competition kills a lot of jobs in a lot of places, like Germany is the winner take all in cars, Spain and Greece can’t build their own BMWs or Mercedes models, they are not good enough or smart enough or “work hard” enough whatever;
    12) The west killed unions and worker protection because it thinks that that is bad for the economy, but it mostly just makes the rich richer;
    13) The financial and fluff side of the economy dominates and hence makes the rich richer and takes money away from all the middle class and poor, etc;[/quote]
    I forgot the two really HUGE reasons why Economic Growth will be very low for many years:
    14) A HUGE INCREASE IN HOUSING COSTS AND PRICES, EITHER TO RENT OR BUY, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE OF THE USA, LIKE IN EUROPE AND JAPAN (in their big cities especially, where all the cough, cough “Jobs” are) killing any possibility for an expansion of the middle class (the new potential middle class made up of young people who can no longer afford housing costs!) that would buy things and furniture and such but can’t since they have to pay such huge prices for rents or mortgages, so they decide that it is better to live in Mom’s basement, etc. And in fact we need a huge Deflation of Housing Costs and Prices in New York City, Rome, Paris, Tokyo, London, etc. a 3 bedroom house in the center of these cities should cost no more than 50,000 dollars or no more than 200 dollars a month to rent, END OF STORY. Will this ever happen ? NO WAY, JOSE’, well then kiss your imaginary “GROWTH”, “Sustainable Growth”, “Economic growth” and all other BS, and the possibility to pay back the huge debts in the USA, EU and JAPAN goodbye forever. Real Estate must Crash Baby Crash, like a wild dying PIG! Oh, I forgot, the fake, imaginary value of real estate is what backs up the banks worldwide pretending to be hugely richer than what they are, what c*cks…
    15) Huge increase in Health Care costs and Education costs (especially in the USA), since the only way to make money is to squeeze money out of people by making them pay basic needs a higher and higher price (exactly those 3 needs that are the basics: houses, health care and cough, cough “Education” since without education “no one hires you” according to traditional monopolistic old and static societies that are decaying and dying).
    Is there any Political Party or Political Program in the USA, EU or JAPAN that can change any of this ? NO WAY, JOSE’!
    Technology ?
    We got really spoiled in the last 200 years or so. We discovered everything and applied everything (or at least a good 90 % of what is still to be discovered and applied, etc.), we discovered and learned how to apply ELECTRICITY, then STEAM ENGINES, THEN CARS, THEN PLANES AND JETS AND ROCKETS AND COMPUTERS AND TV and so forth, etc. And now we are essentially at the end of the “Novelty Era”, there is very little left to discover and apply, we are just optimizing and changing form factors and just making believe that we are reinventing most of the things that have already been invented over and over again: Any new Passenger Jet Plane going faster than Sound ? NO. Any new Flying Cars ? NO. Any new fangled battery substituting Oil ? NO. Any new Planet Exploration ? NO. Any new Fusion Energy Power ? NO. Any new Real Artificial Intelligence (that isn’t just the same old bad voice recognition idiocy ) ? NO, and so on so forth forever. We just make gadgets that do the same old things over and over again and sell them as new and revolutionary, like smart phones with digital cameras in them (the camera is an old invention, been there, done that) or putting all of the computer power of a PC in a small gadget, etc. And by doing this we are simply sponging off the Moore’s Law that says you can keep on creating transistors in a smaller space, but even in this realm we are at the end of the line, a few more years and the Moore’s Law game is over too.
    So we expect the future to be like the past, but it won’t be so, it just can’t happen anymore, that short era is over, now we have to deal with ourselves and our political systems that hugely suck and the debts and the betrayed expectations of a future that never came to be.
    Of course we could do a lot more, like Free Salaries to All, Cheap Rents, Trillions of Skyscrapers, trillions of Rockets to Mars and especially change the design and functioning and architecture of our Man Brain, of our Mind to become a better machine, a more progressive machine that goes towards the future and wants the future: but people are too Stone Age Apes to want to do this, and they love nature (which should be despised and destroyed in order to create space for the new Machine Men that will come, etc.), so suck it up, we will simply decay, stagnate and go back to the Stone Ages. AMEN.

  26. daytrip June 25, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    I live here in the mountains of Colorado. I read in the paper a few days ago how they were cutting off commercial tubing down the Yampa River in Steamboat Springs. The water level is too low. They went on to say how last year at this time, people weren’t able to tube the river because it was too high! Last year, the rafting companies were ecstatic. This year, they need to get it in early, cuz it’s drying up. We broke a record for temperature last Friday in Denver at 102. The old record temp for that day was set in the 19th century. Still, the traffic jam from people heading back to Denver on I70 yesterday, Sunday, was the biggest I’ve seen in some time. I guess the 10 degrees cooler temps were enough to get the folks out in droves. The counties along the way actually benefit, because these people come off the road and eat and drink a little, since there’s nothing else to do but cruise the rush hour city speed, though with a nice, scenic mountain backdrop. Oh, and it runs along the lately relatively anemic Clear Creek…

  27. kulturcritic* June 25, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    It’s all a game of give and take…
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/smashing-the-grand-chessboard-global-conquest-by-design/
    best, kC

  28. daytrip June 25, 2012 at 8:45 am #

    btw, tubing = floating down the river in an inner tube for a tire…

  29. Jimmy Drinkwater June 25, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    As Dick Cheny once infamously when asked about changes in the environement: “Americans will have to adapt”.

    Rising sea level a threat to East coast.
    June 25, 2012
    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/06/25/sea_level_rising_3_4_times_faster_along_east_coast_than_globally_government_report_finds/

    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  30. bryn5545 June 25, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    I can’t help but draw attention to the John Denver reference baked into the title… as Wikipedia says…
    “Rocky Mountain High” is primarily inspired by John Denver’s move to Aspen, Colorado, United States three years earlier and his love for the state. The seventh stanza makes a reference to destruction of the mountains’ beauty by commercial tourism. The song was considered a major piece of 1970s pop culture, and became a well-associated piece of Colorado history.
    The song briefly became controversial that year when the U.S. Federal Communications Commission was permitted by a legal ruling to censor music deemed to promote drug abuse. Numerous radio stations cautiously banned the song until Denver publicly explained that the “high” was his innocent description of the sense of peace he found in the Rockies. In 1985, Denver testified before Congress in the Parents Music Resource Center hearings about his experience:
    This was obviously done by people who had never seen or been to the Rocky Mountains, and also had never experienced the elation, celebration of life, or the joy in living that one feels when he observes something as wondrous as the Perseid meteor shower on a moonless, cloudless night, when there are so many stars that you have a shadow from the starlight, and you are out camping with your friends, your best friends, and introducing them to one of nature’s most spectacular light shows for the first time.[2]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_High

  31. Neon Vincent June 25, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    I’m not surprised that you had this kind of reaction to the Aspen Institute. You’ve also given a TED talk. TED has the same kind of issue with its attitude toward technology and the future. I wonder if you picked that up when you spoke to them all those years ago?
    Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I’ve been cheering on people who believe in the power of technology, but it hasn’t been the auto industry, as I usually do. Instead, I’ve posted two updates on the news from space. The U.S. may not have a manned spacecraft right now, but the Chinese do, and they’re showing off their capabilities. Meanwhile, what will 9 billion people, should we ever get there, eat for protein? Not Soylent Green, but insects. Some enterprising people are making cricket bars for human consumption in the U.S. Also, the gas price rollercoaster is on its way down and the performance of the Vagina Monologues attracted a record crowd for a political demonstration at Michigan’s Capitol. Oh, and happy solstice!
    I got one comment, which was supposed to be about Lisa Brown’s hypocrisy, but was really about regulation of fracking in Michigan. That will make for good blogging fodder. If you have any other suggestions for me, leave a comment on one of my entries.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  32. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    In the late sixties in Colorado, there use to be a bumper sticker that said:
    “Don’t Californicate Colorado”
    hahahaha, too Late on that one!!!
    Ghost towns will be the New ‘Merikan Strip Mall, an architectural style unto itself.
    Favela Chic, Shantytown Retro Shabby, Hobo Bobo Gone with the Wind Trust Fund suburban planning zones.
    All new destitute life-styles of the New Poor.
    Techno-narcissism is a lethal malignant loser kind of religion.
    Poor Stewart Brand. How the mighty have fallen. Stewart’s conversion to the wonders of nuclear power to ‘fix’ our energy future looks pitiful in light of Fukishima liberally spreading radioactive ‘Pixie Dust’ all over California and the Bay area where Stewart lives his poser life-style in Sausalito on a swank tugboat.
    Wait until the seafood starts testing out as radioactive and watch the effect at Fisherman’s Wharf on sales.

  33. Ogier de Beauseant June 25, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    Life has been sweet to the professional Cassandra
    who jets around the world at the expense of those he ridicules. In some circles this is know as a con.

  34. tstreet June 25, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    Although Colorado denizens may be finally getting their definitive reality check, it is sadly, too late. My little hamlet in the mountains will probably effectively close down this summer. I see it will be cooler in Sacramento today than here in the so called cool mountains of Colorado. All I feel now is sadness and anger.

  35. 3rd Generation June 25, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    Aspen Environment Forum:
    Thankful I wasn’t subjected to the rubes and DEEP THINKERS. Sounds dreadful.
    Crary: Another thursday night deadline missed. These fails don’t look good on a resume. You simply cannot be trusted to perform.
    Good Luck.

  36. Casual Observer June 25, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    JHK’s timeline for the collapse of civilization is skewed to the short term. With so much oil and gas left to extract (afterall we are at the PEAK) and the war toys and printing presses to rival no ones expect things here in the Great US of A to be business as usual for at least a couple more decades.

  37. asoka.. June 25, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    JHK said: “The basic message is: the world is hopelessly fucked up but thank God for technology.”
    ==================
    Shouldn’t we define technology?
    Fire? Wheel barrows? Shovels and garden hoes?
    Aren’t those all “technology”?
    Or is technology anything we think has led to our current predicament?

  38. noel bodie June 25, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    Great memories of Aspen ca. 1968. Camping at the Maroon Bells, hearty breakfast at Andre’s with steaming coffee in mustache mugs, and sun coming in leaded windows and HERE COMES THE SUN on the sound system!

  39. Casual Observer June 25, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    JHK never finishes his posts with one of these ;o)

  40. dale June 25, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    Thanks for that, quite a list, I hadn’t seen that before.

  41. dale June 25, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    Obviously different people who knew Che have differing opinions of him.
    ——————————–
    Yeah….I have one of his t-shirts, like to wear it around and watch the tea party heads explode when they see it.
    I’m sure there is someone around who thinks Stalin was just a cuddly little dude. People have many sides.

  42. orbit7er June 25, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    Wow! I had no idea that the Aspen Institute was funded by the Koch Bros along with the usual gang of suspects! Aren’t the infamous cornucopian Amory Lovins and his wife funded by the Aspen Institute?

    Here is the list of Corporate 1% honchos on the Aspen’s Board:

    http://www.aspeninstitute.org/about/leadership

    I do from a Google search that of course Amory Lovins was peddling his snakeoil there in the past.
    But what about Bill KcKibben?

  43. Casual Observer June 25, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    Extinction any time soon? Hmmmm…by a random gigantic meteor strike maybe, global nuclear holocaust maybe, running out of fossil fuel, doubtful. There’s seven billion humans on this little round ball now…maybe one billion after all the cheap energy runs out in 20 years? Extinction unlikely…

  44. Casual Observer June 25, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    What year or decade is likely to see Peak Population (PP)? If Peak Oil production is about 40 years later than peak oil discovery does it reason that PP is 40 years after PO?

  45. William Hunter Duncan June 25, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Then there’s the green Breakthrough Institute, with their recent report on the state of the world, highly polished, with the message that global ecological decimation has been good for humanity. Species extinction? No problem. Climate Change? Charge straight ahead just as we are.
    I commented on their site, that if I believed in the Illuminati, I would blame them on this report. The I scrolled down and saw the attribute, A Project of Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors Inc. Philanthropy, as a business.
    http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/2012/06/planetary_boundaries_a_mislead.shtml

  46. orbit7er June 25, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    Apparently actually the major export of the USA with its $1 Trillion annual costs of War are the weapons of death and destruction we subsidize.
    Thus a few months ago despite the objections of Egyptian pro-Democracy protesters, Obomber and Hillary approved resumed arms sales to the Egyptian military still holding onto power. Apparently the lack of sales was hurting various Merchants of Death such as Boeing.

    And the New York Times reported Sunday that Bahrain democracy advocates are now protesting the USA
    for its merchants of deaths sending arms to the military putting down Democracy there.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/world/middleeast/as-hopes-for-reform-fade-in-bahrain-protesters-turn-anger-on-united-states.html?pagewanted=all

    For months, the protests have aimed at the ruling monarchy, but recently they have focused on a new target. To their familiar slogans — demanding freedoms, praising God and cursing the ruling family — the young protesters added a new demand, written on a placard in English, so the Americans might see: “U.S.A. Stop arming the killers.”

    Of course Saudi Arabia is continuing to station its troops in Bahrain and the merchants of death $30 Billion in arms sales to the Saudi dictatorship dwarfs anything provided to either
    Bahrain or Egypt…

  47. Dirk June 25, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    One CF poster wrote”This apparently means manufacturing lots of green technological fixes that will not just save our souls but make us all rich too.”
    I vividly recall one former co-worker who often said; ‘there must be a way to make a buck off climate change.” And there’s yer sign and the crux of the problem. Humans have never will never be able to ‘make a buck’ (at least not with 9 billion people around) and be ‘green’. ‘Making a buck’ and ‘green’ are mutually exclusive, diametrically opposed, ‘as far as the east is from the west’ terms.

  48. mistified June 25, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    “Human beings are wired to believe that technology can fix everything. It has been this way since the first two legged fool came down from trees.”
    Well, that two legged fool spawned the likes of Leonardo, Einstein, etc. etc. And while technology can’t fix everything, we do live a sight better than those who frequented the African steppes.
    The only reason that humans are wired to believe in technology is that the proof has been in the pudding.

  49. charliefoxtrot June 25, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    …yeah, the ‘nuveau pauvre salissant’…”new dirt poor” in anglais…well fuck it, i say welcome to the club…ya pays ya dues with time around heah…

  50. malthus June 25, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    To many people to many problems and that is my story and I’m sticking to it. James you hit a home run on this one. The Aspen Institute has become a show case for the corporate types,shills,and self promoters and dropped the name the Aspen Institute of humanistic studies. Eisner is nothing but shill for Wall Street and I was also interested if his wonder boy Lovins was around. BTW Hunter who was the smart one of the couple left him years ago. Here is Eisner whose greatest hero is Steve Jobs that lying greed head and loving taking advantage of the downtrodden in other countries. I can see most of the attendees stuffing their pie holes at the Food and Wine festival before heading over to the Institute to fill themselves up again. I lived in Aspen from 1961 until I fled in 1989. Even Walter Paepke is probably rolling in his grave along with Mortimer Adler at what the Institute has become which is as you say a mirror of the town itself. As for the Koch brothers they call them the Kochsuckers in Colorado. Yep a dying town for sure whose biggest industry is finding the latest greatest fool to sell real estate to.

  51. mistified June 25, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    “Yep, everything about this country is corporatism, PR and big money behind every event that tries to push new investments. The idea is to convince everyone that we always have an answer. ”
    And of course Jimmy was there to shill what? Oh yeah. He has a new book. Yawn.

  52. charliefoxtrot June 25, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    …um, my results- based conclusion is that we mught very well have been better off in the trees…i mean, look around you…: leaving the [rhetorical, IMnotsoHO] question of global weirding aside, we ve raped and poisoned and changed the environment so much that we re all fucked regardless; even if we can keep from killing ourselves off in war…

  53. OccupyMBA June 25, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    James H., you often use this gag line about your visit to Google: “But, dude, we’ve got TECHNOLOGY!” In the minds of most of the potentates at AI events, when the technology falls short, there an even sexier fail-safe system in defense of the status quo: “But, my dear fellow, we have MANAGEMENT.”
    They have seen the enema, and it is them!
    Bend over, my friends…
    http://occupyMBA.com

  54. dale June 25, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    As someone who follows the business world pretty closely, writes professionally on the subject, and am well credentialed, I can tip my hat to the doomers on one point.
    The current situation in Europe has the potential to be FAR worse than most people realize. They may keep it together over there and they may not. (frankly, it’s looking pretty iffy to me lately) If they don’t, and the Euro goes down, or there is a banking panic in Spain…..grab hold of your nuts and duck. It won’t matter who is President, or what we do, a serious worldwide depression is likely.
    That will make worrying about PO a moot point for quite awhile.

  55. mistified June 25, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    “…um, my results- based conclusion is that we mught very well have been better off in the trees…”
    Well, last time I looked there are still a few trees. Go climb one. Make certain you leave you computer on the ground…I mean you wouldn’t want to fall while hopelessly clinging to a piece of technology.

  56. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    I have not been to Aspen but I recall someone who lived there saying [almost 20 years ago] ‘a home there was a Million Dollars’.
    So it gentrified from 1970 to 1990. To put it mildly.

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  58. newworld June 25, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Ain’t we in a fine mess. The Left as represented by the Aspen Institute (my guess nearly %100 white) has politically aligned with the colored race national socialists who cannot spell “enviroment” much less care about it. The conservationists (again nearly %100 white) have politically aligned with phillistines that are leveling Kentucky for Bituminous coal.
    And to square our circles we must use “magic thinking” to gloss over the illogical parts of our alignments.

  59. cbwim June 25, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    This seems to be a common belief system – that somehow technology will come riding to the rescue to save us from ourselves. That scientists will come up with a solution, a magic bullet, a cheap new power source that doesn’t pollute or warm the planet, engineered crops that will feed everyone, etc. The other side of this belief is that we can continue to do everything that we are doing now, but that maybe going from incandescent bulbs to compact fluorescents is all that is needed.
    I went to Costco on Saturday. The Pacific NW is getting the short end of climate change and we’ve had record rains for June. Everyone responds by going shopping and the parking lot was full, mostly with large SUV type cars. I had to park my hybrid out at the edges. Inside was a metaphor for the outside with everyone pushing oversized shopping carts loaded with crap. Two accidentally ran into me while they were otherwise distracted talking on their cellphones. They drive the same way unfortunately, since the cellphone while driving laws are unenforced. I couldn’t wait to get the hell out of there with my frozen fruit.
    Its clear that its not a matter of simply not doing enough. Instead, we are doing absolutely nothing as a society to solve the world’s problems. The fat cats are now in control and they are more interested in making money for the now so they can buy Hawaiian islands, while Lonesome George and several other species disappear from the planet at a rate of 27,000 species a year, or one every 19 minutes. Meanwhile, the rest of us are simply too busy trying to keep a roof over our heads, stay healthy and avoid bankruptcy to do anything more than change lightbulbs.
    I did finish a greenhouse this weekend so that I’ll have tomatoes and peppers. I finally got around to something I should have gotten around to 20 years when I moved to this piece of land.

  60. Dr_Snooz June 25, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Another excellent post today, Jim. Thanks!

  61. charliefoxtrot June 25, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    Ha Ha- stupid little smart-phone; it s pretty well portable…and i reckon we ll (you and i, that is) continue to use what technology allows communication to occur over the span of seconds or minutes, as opposed to days and weeks…or are we going to have bonfires as blogs- wait, that much smoke in the environment can t be good- brings new meaning to the phrase ‘full of hot air’…

  62. Dangerous Christian June 25, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    That’s another problem, my friend. I’ve been saying for months (and on my blog) that Greece is the canary in the coal mine; and these days, Tweety ain’t doing that hot.
    If the Euro takes a nosedive and the EU behind it, or a Spanish banking panic, like you said, we’d better grab our nuts and duck. Ain’t going to matter what TinkerToys Aspen can dream up because no one’s going to be able to afford them.

  63. Fissile June 25, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    Forest service! What are you some kind of socialist? We don’t need no stinking forest service, all we need is the private sector. If the guvmint would just get out of the way with the unconstitutional laws and regulations, good ol’ capitalist lumber companies would come in and clear cut this country bare, just he way it’s suppose to be.

  64. ubs June 25, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    It appears that liquid fuels can be synthesized in a fairly simple manner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel

  65. welles June 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    …um, my results- based conclusion is that we mught very well have been better off in the trees…i mean, look around you…:
    You obviously have never spent any time living in the real wild (“in the trees”).
    Technology developed to flee the extremely difficult life in the trees.
    peace peaceniks

  66. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    Mysterious Mass Cattle Deaths May Be Caused By Random Grass Mutation in GMO Grass
    http://www.weareaustin.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_2393.shtml
    Fabulous!
    The grass in question is a genetically modified form of Bermuda known as Tifton 85
    Dr. Gary Warner, an Elgin veterinarian who specializes in cattle, conducted the 15 necropsies on the dead cows.
    Preliminary tests revealed the Tifton 85 grass, which has been growing here for years, had suddenly started producing cyanide gas. [poisoning the cattle]
    Far Out!
    GMO cattle graze grass mutated and started producing cyanide in quantities large enough to kill cattles.
    Technology Rules Dude!

  67. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    And what Techno-Fix pimp doesn’t love Monsanto.
    “…A growing number of [corn] rootworms are now able to devour [GMO]genetically modified corn specifically designed by Monsanto to kill those same pests. A new study shows that while the biotech giant may triumph in Congress, it will never be able to outsmart nature….”
    “..Monsanto launched its anti-rootworm GM corm in 2003. The Cry3Bb1 protein, derived from the Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt.) bacterium, was inserted into the corn’s genetic code. The embedded protein was supposed to be fatal to all rootworms…”
    “The recent findings came days after Monsanto, along with other biotech companies, got a major boost from a congressional panel, which okayed the manufacture of GM crops despite pending legal challenges. Many of the lawsuits that Monsanto faces include assessments that its crops are unsafe for human consumption and affect the health of unborn children. ”
    Hey maybe Monsanto can produce corn that gives off Cyanide like the cattle grass as a Birth Control solution for over population.
    A Techno Win-Win!!!

  68. Casual Observer June 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    Not so fast…reading down in the comments to the link you provided I saw that a few commentators said that Tifton 85 is not genetically modified grass.

  69. welles June 25, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    I’ve been saying for months (and on my blog) that Greece is the canary in the coal mine; and these days, Tweety ain’t doing that hot.
    Man, you are really on the cutting edge with your prediction about Greece. Who’da known?
    More seriously – this is only a debt crisis on the surface. The European Central Bank can print as many Euros as it pleases to pay off any Eurozone country’s debts. Why do you think the FED printed $3-4 trillion lickety split to save the big US banks and gambling houses? Because it can.
    That ‘money’ was used to settle debts.
    But you’ve got to be a big player to qualify.
    Ergo we have in place entities which can pay off any and all debts at the touch of a few buttons.
    But they are reluctant to do so, as doing so can upset the wonderful pleasure-filled/power-filled lives of the folks that run these outfits. So they pick who will live and who will die, with an eye to not upsetting their applecarts.
    This is more accurately a game of control played by huge international blocs such as the IMF, China, Germany, the US. These players hold certain trump cards (e.g. China owns most of our debt=claims against taxes, IMF wants to control politics in Europe/Africa etc; US wants to control petroleum production) and want to see certain factions in power in Europe and elsewhere.
    They want these factions to gain advantage over other big players, for example the US allies with Middle East oil producers to keep China boxed in.
    Make no mistake, to the very elite worldmasters this is all merely a game of pride, anger, pleasure. They have events mostly firmly in control.
    I reserve the right to be wrong.
    peace peaceniks

  70. coyoteyogi June 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    Off Topic:
    I went into the local Apple store yesterday to pickup my repaired lap top. The blue shirted employees out numbered the customers by more than 2 to 1. That is first time I’ve ever seen the store without crowds. I’ll check it out a few more times, but I think everyone who wants an i-thingy now owns one.

  71. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Correction:
    Tifton 85 Bermuda grass is not GMO. It’s an sterile F1 hybrid pentaploid [having five haploid sets of chromosomes]
    To make commercially viable F-1 Hybrids, you want them to be sterile, that way people are forced to buy new seeds each year because they can’t save the seeds. Hooray for technology that supports Monopoly!
    To create the sterile plant, they have to genetically-modify the hybrid in order to introduce the male sterility gene into each seed.
    There are a few ways of doing this, but they all involve something unnatural (either a chemical spray that alters genetic expression or a protoplast fusion in a lab).
    Tifton 85 is a sterile plant. Yes, it’s an F-1 Hybrid. But it’s also the product of laboratory genetic modification.
    Naturally-created F-1s (of the old-fashioned variety that you or I could create in our own gardens) don’t reproduce true, but they do reproduce.

  72. Nastarana June 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Reply to Ilovephilosophy.com:
    Re: Point 14.
    Thank you for that. Housing costs, including necessary utilities all across the USA need to be no more than 1/3 takehome pay of the average wage or salary of a full time employed worker in the same city or oounty. Specifically low income housing needs to cost no more than 1/3 full time earnings of a minimum wage worker. Essential utilites I define as those amenities needed to sustain life and make a creditable job application. Hot and cold running water, telephone service and electricity I consider essential, while, eg, cable TV is a luxury. There are many among the working class who have skills, and even tools–we don’t all spend our money when we have any, on cheeze doodles and trips to Vegas–who simply cannot make enough from self employment to cover rent/mortgage/insurance and utilities. Utilities in particular need to be reregulated. Those who are willing to use less should be paying lower rates, not just less money, but LOWER RATES as well.
    I have tried and tried to explain what I think are basic facts of life for working people to self-styled “progressives” at DK and other sites, to no avail. These self appointed tribunes of the poor refuse to understand that what working people need is LOWER HOUSING COSTS.

  73. Nastarana June 25, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    I do wonder what other not quite GMO snakes are waiting in the F1 grass to bite us?
    Big Ag is going to feed the world. Right.

  74. Dan_White June 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    Hilary Clinton? A solution?
    Look into her past. Any good reporter does that:
    http://www.prorev.com/connex.htm
    1976
    Bill Clinton is elected attorney general of Arkansas.
    Two Indonesian billionaires come to Arkansas. Mochtar Riady and Liem Sioe Liong are close to Suharto. Riady is looking for an American bank to buy. Finds Jackson Stephens with whom he forms Stephens Finance. Stephens will broker the arrival of BCCI to this country and steer BCCI’s founder, Hassan Abedi, to Bert Lance.
    Riady’s teen-age son is taken on as an intern by Stephens Inc. He later says he was “sponsored” by Bill Clinton.
    1977
    Hillary Clinton joins the Rose Law Firm.
    Apparently because of pressure from Indonesia, Riady withdraws his bid to buy Lance’s 30% share of the National Bank of Georgia. Instead, a BCCI front man buys the shares and Abedi moves to secretly take over Financial General – later First American Bankshares — later the subject of the only BCCI-connected scandal to be prosecuted in the US.
    1978
    Clinton is elected governor.
    The Clintons and McDougals buy land in the Ozarks for $203,000 with mostly borrowed funds. The Clintons get 50% interest with no cash down. The 203 acre plot, known as Whitewater, is fifty miles from the nearest grocery store. The Washington Post will report later that some purchasers of lots, many of them retirees, “put up houses or cabins, others slept in vans or tents, hoping to be able to live off the land.” More than half of the purchasers will lose their plots thanks to the sleazy form of financing used.
    Two months after commencing the Whitewater scam, Hillary Clinton invests $1,000 in cattle futures. Within a few days she has a $5,000 profit. Before bailing out she earns nearly $100,000 on her investment. Many years later, several economists will calculate that the chances of earning such returns legally were one in 250 million.”
    http://www.prorev.com/connex.htm
    etc.etc.

  75. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    He set himself up in luxury in one of the most posh Estates of Havana. The more things change the more they stay the same. Happily, he came to a bad end – shot by Bolivian Officers after capture. He had just finished combing his hair and trimming his beard – he thought he was going to be put on TV and lioned by more stupid Whites all over the world. Thank God there are some normal people left on the right.

  76. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    If TPTB wanted to rig the bio-human-sphere for a ‘controlled demolition’ of the 7 billion plus “useless eaters’, as Henry Kissinger thinks of them as, they would turn to the Ag-Industrial Complex [Monsato-stein] for final solutions.
    Why have ‘death camps’, when everywhere can effectively function as one.
    All of Nature can be planted with IGDs [improvised genetic devices] that ‘go off’ like cyanide lawn grass.
    A Mind is a Terrible Thing to Lose

  77. ront June 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    “….The basic message is: the world is hopelessly fucked up but thank God for technology. There is not even a dim apprehension that many of the aforementioned vexations originate in technology itself, and its blowbacks. Alas, this is about the best that the American intelligentsia can do right now,…”
    Beware of the military-industrial-financial-academic-media complex.
    The idea that there is this vast conflict between religion and science is an illusion. Scientism, for a while now, has ruled the roost. Both sides, generally, are, consciously or unconsciously, confirmed materialists.
    Thanking God for technology falls far short when it comes to thanking God. Better to thank God for everything that is, everything that isn’t, and anything that does not fall within these two categories.

  78. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    But she’s a Woman! Women are the Creators of Life! She deserves to be President since we’ve had a “Black” now we need a Woman!
    In the future, it will be taught that the first “person” on the moon was a Black Woman named Neela Armstrong.

  79. San Jose Mom 51 June 25, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Stewart Brand’s latest book, “Whole Earth Discipline–Why Dense Cities, Nuclear Power, Transgenic Crops, Restored Wildlands and Geoengineering are Necessary,” was written in 2009. I’m curious to know if his pro-nuclear stance has cooled a bit since Fukushima?
    I actually liked the chapter in Brand’s book about the genetic engineering of crops. But I doubt agribiz can be sustained without adequate energy.
    My brother just returned from a big energy conference in Texas. He is CFO of a privately-owned company in Utah that mines coal and generates electricity. His company knows that they are doomed. They know that CO2 is bad, and they are planning to shut down operations when they can’t operate at a profit. He also informed me that in the next 10 years, my home energy bill is going to triple. In San Jose, I can live most of the year without turning on the heat or air-conditioner. But folks living in Arizona, etc., are going to fry when they can’t pay there electric bill. Seems to me that we won’t be able to survive without modern nuclear power plants.

  80. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Arizona has been betrayed by the Supreme Court – its Sovereinty denied. Aliens are given the green light to invade. The Arizona Law was virutally identical with Federal Statutes. It was only passed in the first place because the Feds refused to enforce their own laws.

  81. Dan_White June 25, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    I thought they were a bunch of rednecks!
    Is this true?
    The Monsanto family were the first documented Jewish settlers to have migrated to New Orleans from the Netherlands in 1758. They were known slave owners and slave traders of 18th century. In 1901, the Monsanto family founded their eponymous chemical company. Its history is intimately linked to the production and promotion of highly toxic chemicals such as the herbicide, Agent Orange (used as a chemical weapon in the Vietnam war, resulting in 400,000 deaths and disabilities, and 500,000 children born with birth defects), and PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls, which can affect fertility, child development, the immune system, and increase the risk of certain cancers).
    “The Jewish Monsanto Family of Louisiana included Benjamin, Isaac, Manuel, Eleanora, Gracia and Jacob. They made frequent purchases of Blacks including twelve in 1785, thirteen and then thirty-one in 1787, and eighty in 1768.
    In 1794, Benjamin sold “Babet,” a Black woman, to Franco Cardel. Manuel sold two Blacks from Guinea named “Polidor” and “Lucy” to James Saunders for $850 in silver.
    As individuals they were owners of Africans whom they named “Quetelle,” “Valentin,” “Baptiste,” “Prince,” “Princess,” “Ceasar,” “Dolly,” “Jen,” “Fanchonet,” “Rozetta,” “Mamy,” “Sofia,” and many others. Isaac repeatedly mortgaged four of these when in financial trouble. Benjamin Monsanto of Natchez, Mississippi entered into at least 6 contracts for the sale of his slaves which would take place after his death. Gracia bequeathed nine Africans to her relatives in her 1790 will, and Eleanora also held Blacks as slaves….

  82. charliefoxtrot June 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    actually, yes, i have…i found it not to be that damned difficult most of the time…never said it was easy or convenient, but i ll survive…

  83. Desperado June 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Gosh, there’s nothing technology can’t do.
    Hey how about some Tech Company mottos for inspiration?
    “Doing well by doing good” {Monsanto}
    “We never forget who we’re working for” {Lockheed Martin}
    “Sponsors of Tomorrow” {Intel}
    And now from Hang the Bankers.com comes:
    The Insects are Watching: The Future of Government Surveillance Technology
    http://www.hangthebankers.com/the-insects-are-watching-the-future-of-government-surveillance-technology/
    “…In June of 2011, the US military admitted to having drone technology so sophisticated that it could be the size of a bug.
    In what is referred to as the “microaviary” on Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, drones are in development and design to replicate the flight patterns of moths, hawks and other air-borne creatures of the natural world.
    Greg Parker, aerospace engineer, explains: “We’re looking at how you hide in plain sight” for the purpose of carrying out espionage or kill missions….”
    And from the Mother of Invention
    Spy-Butterfly: Israel developing insect drone for indoor surveillance
    http://www.rt.com/news/israel-drone-indoor-butterfly-672/
    The future is here and this is not a butterfly on your wall, as Israeli drones are getting tiny. Their latest project – a butterfly-shaped drone weighing just 20 grams – the smallest in its range so far – can gather intelligence inside buildings.
    Their motto is:
    “We can fly this baby up your Ass”
    .

  84. k-dog June 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    “And while technology can’t fix everything, we do live a sight better than those who frequented the African steppes.”
    Actually that’s not true. Hunter gatherers live in a natural state which matches the way we were built to live, modern life does not. Modern life causes depression, stress and disease.
    Before civilization weakened the stock sparse populations had very long life spans. The high point in our unsustainable run was thirty thousand years ago when an average life span (if you survived childhood) was seventy years and food was abundant because mega-fauna was not yet extinct. Technology has been reducing our standard of living ever since.

  85. ASPO Article 1037 June 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Tried & true dept.
    Our friend, “The Official Guide Of The Railways” from decades past shows Aspen, Colorado served by the Denver & Rio Grande Western. Who knows what this generation of visionaries (read half-wits) would say if the passenger depot were still open for business? Quaint? Passe’? “Too industrial?” Oh, how about “Out of scale with the environment… -In The Rocky Mountains!
    The Aspen Institute and “Culture Change” are examples of panacea peddlers who somehow missed the Railway gene in their early development, and proceeded with their programs of futuristic pablum. At least, Jan Lundberg’s infatuation with sailboats has some merit; sail shares a hobby element with trains. But trains really do offer more in the way of knitting the Union together…
    But bigger things lurk in the wings: the armor shuffling about in the Oil Patch will soon divert our attention from gadgetry and elite wine tasting outings. The Aspen set shall soon consider the virtues of having a working railway platform in walking distance.

  86. k-dog June 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    “Technology developed to flee the extremely difficult life in the trees.”
    Actually the trees started disappearing when the climate of Africa dried out due to the rise of the Himalayan Mountains. Had the tree cover not become sparse technology would not have developed and we would still be living like bonobos.

  87. Michigan Native June 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    The great fascist state of Colorado, where Ward Churchill was lynched for what used to be one’s right to free speech, where the courts allowed the pigs to arrest kids at Boulder University for rallying at their legalize marijuanna day, where the legislature debated whether they should adapt John Denver’s Rocky Mountain High as their state song or whatever because they couldn’t figure out if Denver was referring to smoking pot or not (are these people fucking retarded or what? in his song poems, prayers, and promises he talks about passing around the pipe…fucking nazi cocksuckers). Let the whole goddamned state burn down, can’t happen soon enough for me. Also, where they celebrate Christopher Columbus Day. Racist Nazi fucktards, let them all burn in hell. Fuck Colorado. There is some good news today, however THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 1876 > Indians defeat Custer at Little Big Horn. Now there is a reason to be happy, the fucker got what he deserved.

  88. BeingThere June 25, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    NOTE TO CFNers
    Please check out on Opednews two articles on TPP Trans Pacific Partnership. The world is being run for and by the transnational corporations and banks.
    You might actually want to contact your sens and reps and let them know you are holding them accountable.
    If this thing goes through you can say goodbye to any legal protections against these global entities and it will interfere with every aspect of your lives.

  89. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    Even more true of Obama. At least Jim tells some truths in the process of having a good time.

  90. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Sephardic Jews centered in Newport, Rhode Island, controlled much of the American Slave Trade. Read “The Grandees”. Funny how this doesn’t get taught in Academia.
    Red necks named Monsanto? Are you sirius? I thought they were Italians!
    John Kerry’s real family name is Koch. Kerry is not a real Irish name, but rather a made up one.
    A classic Jewish tactic. Trotsky’s real name was Lev Bronstein.

  91. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    There could be no America without the conquest of the Indians. You are enjoying the fruits of the conquest even now as you type. To trash White Explorers and Conquerors is not such a slam dunk you see – unless you are willin to live as your ancestors did or in the case of Blacks, go back to Africa.

  92. malthus June 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Now that is a decent rant. Good going. And to hell with pretty much every other state also. The whole state of Colorado has gone over to the dark side thanks to the blind idiots that think their conservative agendas are just what the world needs. Nazi Kochsuckers all.

  93. messianicdruid June 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    “The hyper-rich are facing something worse than death: becoming poor. Do you think they will go quietly? I think they will do whatever it takes and sell it to us in the name of ‘saving the system.'”
    David Malone, Debt Generation
    http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/

  94. Tark June 25, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    No, that is simple tool usage.
    If I pick up a stick to brain someone or scratch in the dirt, that’s only using a tool. The tool itself didn’t have to be created.

  95. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    Way to late for that B. Time to hunker down. Hope you know New York like Louise knows Chicago. Perhaps you could take refuge under the city – become a mole person.

  96. Tark June 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Ever heard of the wacky concept of low impact technology?
    Society could’ve worked around, with, even in addition to the environment. Instead we ‘had to’ twist it’s arm and separate ourselves wholly from it, completely denature our species, instead of retaining the positive aspects of our former nature.
    But,for a person that hates this overwhelming society as is; that still doesn’t mean that I think humans should live in primitive, backward deprivation just to safeguard the environment at all costs to ourselves.

  97. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    Yeah, to hell with the Constitution. Throw open the borders and embrace our replacements.
    Whites are in the same situation as the Indians were in relation to us. And we are making the same mistakes as they did.
    Indians with commonsense are supporting White against the Mexicans. After all, their treaties are with us, not Mexico.

  98. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    …this may be our technological “whistling in the graveyard”.
    ===============
    The far more common version of this expression is “whistling past the graveyard.”
    Note also, the period ending the sentence goes before, not after the quotation marks. I know, it’s counter-intuitive.

  99. Grouchy Old Girl June 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    So according to Vlad John Kerry’s family is/was Jewish. He provides that bit of irrelevant garbage as though it means something, as though he’s just discovered a major cover-up that changes everything about the man.
    I don’t get it. What signficance does that assertion carry? What difference does it make to anything? We’re all just humans, equipped with the same physical and intellectual abilities. The only characteristic that differentiates us is our sex. The rest is all a product of upbringing.

  100. sevenmmm June 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    Unrealized expectations – here we come!

  101. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Remember 2001 – the monkey man throws a stick unto the stars and on the third try it becomes a space ship.

  102. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    As I said, a common Jewish strategy – in this case to trick Irish American voters.
    We’re all the same? Then why do you want to eliminate Whites? Why do you hate Traditional People so much?
    You don’t believe women are equal to men – you think yourself superior.
    So wrong on all points as usual.

  103. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    ‘ “enviroment” ‘
    Nor can you, unless that was meant as a joke.

  104. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Once in a local ‘junk’ store I saw a book,
    ‘The [glorious] History of Montsanto’ [pub 1970?]
    Maybe check it out, if it can be found.

  105. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    something is there
    ===========
    Is your post a mistake or am I just to thick to get it?

  106. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Bahrain democracy advocates are now protesting the USA for its merchants of deaths sending arms
    ===============
    The plural of merchant of death is merchants of death, not merchants of deaths. It’s just like brothers-in-law.

  107. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    EEE GADS….’CYANIDE GRASS’

  108. Widespreadpanic7 June 25, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    The tomatoes are coming up nicely. As far as technology goes, my Winchester 1894 is pretty much the only technology I’m interested in these days. When all this electronic junk is corroding in the scrapyard, and the Big Screen TVs have bullseyes crudely painted on their screens to use as target practice, my c1950 Winchester 1894 will still be cycling that venerable .30-30 round without a hitch.
    You didn’t mention Obama doesn’t like our National Anthem and wants it changed. That ‘Diversity’ and ‘Tolerance’ will be a major theme in the new anthem goes without saying, with illegals, homos and tranvesites figuring promimently in each verse.
    –WSP7
    –WSP7

  109. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    ‘ lioned ‘…LIONIZED

  110. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    Essential utilites I define as those amenities needed to sustain life and make a creditable job application.
    ===========
    I have never before heard of a utility making a job application and if one ever did I would hope for its sake it was credible not creditable.

  111. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    Canary in the coalmine.
    I believe your assessment is correct.
    Good stuff you write. IMHO.

  112. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Yep.
    What a concept. affordable housing.
    I agree housing should be 30% of total income.
    What is going on is Wrong and Greedy.
    Power trippers.
    it’s about Power Over others.
    I once read a book about $$ Silicon Valley.
    Most of them it’s about Power not Money.
    Sick puppies. IMHO.

  113. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    I think he means Electronic Technology.
    That’s how I read it.

  114. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    What about a ‘reverse attitude’? That the collapse be welcomed?
    Or does that mean ‘the sell off of the Acropolis’ and alot more,to the 1%?

  115. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    good going. home grown bell peppers, and everything else.
    nothing like it.
    ONE zucchini at the store is 1.00 here westcoast ca.
    plant some zucchini, and yellow cucumbers, lemon cucumbers are 1.50 apiece about right now.
    time is here now. hard times that is.
    gardens not lawns.

  116. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Women Might be Superior ! I’m not sure tho.
    Kinda sorta looks that way. Sometimes.

  117. jpfreemon June 25, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    The view from Aspen might be bleak, but here in the Heartland, they are building and selling houses again. Talk to any Real Estate Agent. They are having the best year since the housing crash.

  118. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Thank You for the information.

  119. Al Klein June 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    The fatal flaw in all of the machinations of the Aspen Institute and kindred organizations: How to materially change things for the better without disadvantaging any of the current “haves”. This is equivalent to the irresistible force meeting the immoveable object. The best one can hope for is a Mexican standoff. The worst is some kind of indeterminate outcome, resulting in a breakdown and calamity. More colloquially, they want to change things without really changing things. Too bad that defies logic. That’s why they invoke “Deus ex machina” AKA technology. For something to work that defies logic, you need a miracle. No problem. Technology will provide that. This from supposedly mature adults. God help us.

  120. jackieblue2u June 25, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    Wow, Cockroaches with Cameras !

  121. Grouchy Old Girl June 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    So an acquaintance of mine spent the weekend driving to Syracuse, shopping, and then home to Ontario again. Lots of our locals do that, and say that it’s worth it to motor on past Watertown to the Salt city, where legend has it the shopping is much cheaper. Not so close to the border, they say.
    While he was gone I did a little reading about Syracuse, and while it’s a bigger city by far than our County seat, Cobourg, the story is the same. Extracting and selling salt got them started, they had access to water and later, railroads. Boom times. For us it was farming, and wood, and making liquor and beer. Lots of manufacturing until the 70’s, then a slow decline ever since.
    I read about the big mall built there a few years ago, and a light rail transit line that was built to get folks there. It shut down when nobody was using it. My pal says the mall is still there but much reduced, with most of the space given over to car dealerships now. I doubt they’re doing well from his description of the place in general.
    He was disapointed, says the deals just weren’t as good as in years past. Too bad, our prime minister has just raised the cash limit for junk we can buy and bring back home on even a day trip. All part of blending our borders, a move that many of us on the Left are uneasy about. We don’t want to blend with you losers, we have enough problems of our own, like the right wing take-over of our federal government.
    And we march steadily down the rolling hill of Peak Civilisation, not noticing how the incline is getting steeper all the time.

  122. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Those who are willing to use less should be paying lower rates, not just less money, but LOWER RATES as well.
    ===============
    What a unique idea…totally the reverse of what every businessman since the great flood knows intuitively. This would turn on its head the concept of the quantity discount where the more you buy the lower the unit cost you will be charged. But you would have it the opposite; that utility companies would encourage their customers to use less units (of electricity, water, etc) lowering the utility company’s top line Sales number and therefore it’s bottom line profit so as to run themselves into bankruptcy all the sooner. Makes perfect sense to me. The chair position at the Wharton School of Business is open I believe. I’ll put in a word for you.
    Once this strategy becomes more widely known maybe movie theaters will charge a lower ticket price to people who come to the movies least frequently.
    When I think about this idea of your’s that you espouse with a perfectly straight face (one might say with the naivete of a three year old), I am not the least surprised that your attempts to explain the basic facts of life for working people to self-styled progressives at DK and other sites, has been to no avail.

  123. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    “useless eaters’, as Henry Kissinger thinks of them as
    =============
    OMG, the dreaded double as.
    Desperado, drop the second as and your sentence will sound much better.

  124. Kyooshtik June 25, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    So according to Vlad John Kerry’s family is/was Jewish. He provides that bit of irrelevant garbage as though it means something, as though he’s just discovered a major cover-up that changes everything about the man.
    ==============
    No Grouchy, I believe you are misconstruing Vlad’s intent. I am certain Vlad wants us all to know that John Kerry, as a Jew, is more than likely smarter than the rest of the US population on average. Don’t be such a grouch ;0)

  125. Buck Stud June 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    The whole state of Colorado has gone over to the dark side thanks to the blind idiots that think their conservative agendas are just what the world needs.

    Not “the whole state” Malthus; in fact,not even half the state – Colorado elected Hickenlooper Gov by a comfortable margin.
    And Obama will take Colorado…and New Mexico…and Nevada…and…
    As Asoka has been mentioning, Obama is sitting pretty good in terms of the electoral college. But why should I care anyway; you know, there’s no difference between a Rep and a Dem…as if Clarence Thomas = Ruth Ginsburg.
    But I’ll bet Vlad now believes in the idiosyncrasy of Supreme Court justices after today’s ruling regarding Arizona.

  126. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    Quite true – she should stop wronging and start righting.
    Nice save. You’re a good wingman but in this case, I’ll own to what I said. Think about it: think that Jews wouldn’t care if an Irishman pretended to be a Jew? Or do you think that Jews don’t care about voting for their own whenever possible?

  127. asoka.. June 25, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Thanks!
    I guess I don’t understand the problem.
    Technology is neutral. It depends on who is using it and for what purpose.

  128. ozone June 25, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    “Poor Stewart Brand. How the mighty have fallen. Stewart’s conversion to the wonders of nuclear power to ‘fix’ our energy future looks pitiful in light of Fukishima liberally spreading radioactive ‘Pixie Dust’ all over California and the Bay area where Stewart lives his poser life-style in Sausalito on a swank tugboat.
    Wait until the seafood starts testing out as radioactive and watch the effect at Fisherman’s Wharf on sales.” -D.
    I think what Stewie is going to miss the most are his book revenues and [undeserved] slavering acclaim.
    The man can be identified as a prime asshole just in his introduction of luminaries to his vaunted podium. (Now that’s a really strange phenomenon; pointing to oneself by proxy.)
    Refreshing to see the misdirection being soundly ignored this week by those of a wider (and more critical) perception. My compliments.

  129. ozone June 25, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    “Desperado, drop the second “as” and your sentence will sound much better.” Q
    Correct; your point will be more succinctly made and its’ accuracy will remain unchallenged.

  130. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    Make no mistake, to the very elite worldmasters this is all merely a game of pride, anger, pleasure. They have events mostly firmly in control.
    I reserve the right to be wrong.
    —————————-
    “mostly firmly in control” — now that’s reassuring. I always have to laugh when people tell me how the “powers that be” have it all worked out. Not really, they are all fighting amongst themselves to get all they can, often while they are thus distracted the SHTF. That, my friend, is world economic history in a nutshell.
    I’d keep your reservation, if I were you.

  131. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Nice, we can grow cyanide now, that will save a lot of money when Vlad’s friends restart the murder camps.

  132. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    What about a ‘reverse attitude’? That the collapse be welcomed?
    ————————————–
    You’re starting to sound like Asoka now. You know….that “contrary indian” thing from “Little Big Man”? You say “hello” when you mean “goodbye” and ride your horse backwards. You been eating that cyanide grass?

  133. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Talk to any Real Estate Agent. They are having the best year since the housing crash.
    ————————————–
    I’ve never heard them claim anything else. The term realtors use for “lying” is “being enthusiastic.” As in…..well, ya have to “be enthusiastic” about your job ya know? I’d believe Jerry Sandusky is innocent before I took anything a RE agent said to be accurate.

  134. newworld June 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    From the looks of it the world’s credit system is headed for another close call at a lock up, meaning that trust and faith amongst the people who count is at a low. Then all our little gripes will get a real big adjustment.
    And one last thing, the notion you left of center folks have of being morally superior, and that is catered to by the oligarchs and plutocrats, well them days is drawing to close. Thought I would warn you.

  135. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    speaking of asoka — what’s with this Ohso shit? Isn’t that the magical little turd who bought the town in Oregon and developed a group to run it that would make the NKVD look tame? No wonder you get everything backwards, listening to the simpleton shit.

  136. dale June 25, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    And one last thing, the notion you left of center folks have of being morally superior, and that is catered to by the oligarchs and plutocrats, well them days is drawing to close. Thought I would warn you.
    ————————-
    Does that mean your parents are going to let you off the chain in their basement?

  137. BeingThere June 25, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    Curious about Kerry so I googled it:
    The name was Kohn and they converted to Catholocism and changed their name to Kerry in the old country. Late 1800’s.

  138. xport June 25, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

    Shadows from the starlight. Thanks for that image.
    It is a transcendent experience to be in the moment on a clear night and stare into the not so Void.

  139. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    I also was curious as to the name change [infiltrators, traitors or ‘mainstreaming’].
    What I found is the 3rd, non practicing Judaism for 2-3 generations.
    Now perhaps some will say, nay, infiltrators.
    Just returned from a failed shopping trip, but found
    Viola, what looks like the first ‘Peak Oil’ book.’THE WORLD AFTER OIL’ BY Nussbaum. 1983

  140. anti soak June 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Forget Rajneesh / Osho. Hes SOOO 1980s.
    Did you listen to the 59 minute talk by Ms Fitts?
    And what did you think, if you did listen?

  141. welles June 25, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    I always have to laugh when people tell me how the “powers that be” have it all worked out. Not really, they are all fighting amongst themselves to get all they can, often while they are thus distracted the SHTF. That, my friend, is world economic history in a nutshell.
    a)For someone who allegedly is ‘well credentialed’ and writes professionally on business you sure don’t bother to read posts very carefully.
    a1)My original post does not use the doomer phrase ‘powers that be’ – it specifically mentions China, Germany, the US, IMF etc. within the context of their power struggles. Are they not powers, in any case?
    b) Your statement: “Not really, they are all fighting amongst themselves to get all they can. That, my friend, is world economic history in a nutshell”
    b1)…HELLO, this is precisely what I said when I wrote “This is more accurately a game of control played by huge international blocs such as the IMF, China, Germany, the US.”
    I then went on to specifically mention what it is they are trying to get control of: oil, power, debts.
    I even wrote, with respect to your point about fighting amongst themselves: “…gain advantage over other big players”.
    Here is my original post, which very well speaks to every point you bring up as having been lacking:

    “This is more accurately a game of control played by huge international blocs such as the IMF, China, Germany, the US. These players hold certain trump cards (e.g. China owns most of our debt=claims against taxes, IMF wants to control politics in Europe/Africa etc; US wants to control petroleum production) and want to see certain factions in power in Europe and elsewhere.
    They want these factions to gain advantage over other big players, for example the US allies with Middle East oil producers to keep China boxed in.

    Helps to read the post and not jump to very poor ‘critique’.
    peace peaceniks

  142. Nastarana June 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Utilities are part of the infrastructure which supports industrial civilization. They are a public good just as are roads and parks, and are qualitatively different from widgets. They need to be managed for the public good, not for the private profit of a few investors.
    I think the guy who wants to maintain his 5 bedroom mansion at a constant temp of F80 degrees should not be subsidized by thousands of more frugal ratepayers.
    My point is about ethics, not business, and has nothing to do with what might be taught in business school.

  143. dale June 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    Did you listen to the 59 minute talk by Ms Fitts?
    ——————-
    can you repost?

  144. dale June 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    “mostly firmly in control”
    ——————————
    I guess that’s the part the stuck out. IMO, they are “mostly loosely out of control”

  145. Zed Leppt In June 25, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    ” The place gave off eerie intimations of a ghost town in-the-making.
    This weekend I watched the documentary “Plagues and Pleasures on the Salton Sea” which tells the story of the southern California lake that was accidentally created a hundred years ago when canals were dug to divert Colorado River water into the Imperial valley for agriculture. This was before any dams had been built on the river and high runoff in 1905 washed out the canal locks and flooded the valley. Lying below sea level, there was no natural outlet for this water, so a new lake was born. Real estate developers moved in starting in the 1920s and by the 1950s the place had become a sort of working class Riviera and plans were afoot for new resort cities that would be as popular as Palm Springs or Las Vegas. But the inability to control the water level resulted in flooded properties and the accumulation of agricultural runoff turned this ephemeral little paradise into a stinky, briney cesspool. What’s left over makes for a fine study in abandoned dreams. The one area of growth here is in the use of the desolate towns that dot the area as dumping grounds for welfare cases from the cities to the west.
    If the Colorado River were likened to an ailimentary canal, then the snowy mountains that are havens for resorts like Aspen would be its mouth and the Salton Sea would be its colostomy bag – an prosthetic appendage that receives the artificially diverted flow and acts as a storage receptacle for the noxious filth that has been picked up along the way.
    Here’s the trailer with some poetically morbid narration by John Waters.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atgg7t4XbPk

  146. jiuzhaigou June 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

    From top: Chen Jinheng, a beekeeper within Miyun county works aboard one of his movable-frame hives. A Chinese honeybee pollinates a birthmark blossom The lonely story bureau building based on the blueprint of a walnut timberline hive is a landmark at a Chinese beekeeping demonstration garden within Miyun shire Photos Provided apt . Cheng Anqi / .

    China’s indigenous honeybee is fighting as adaptation following the introduction of the fruitful Italian honeybee plus increasing environmental degradation. Stories according Cheng Anqi.

    Huangyukou village surrounded Miyun county northeast Beijing,is outstanding for Chinese chaste trees (Vitex negundo) that cater highest of the drink for North China’s indigenous honeybees – which are mysteriously vanishing.

    Chen Jinheng’s first colony of honeybees was taken from trees amid his lawn meantime he was 11 years old.

    With 10 other beekeepers amid the village, Chen started apt study generally beekeeping from apiculture writings and eventually formed seven colonies every colony has fewer than 30,beijing tours,000 honey bees) at the kill of the 1960s.

    “Western bees are generally reserved amid movable-frame hives,even though Chinese honeybees adore alive among aboriginal hives cut out of walnut timberline trunks,” says the 76-year-old, pointing out dozens of walnut-tree cylinders nestled aboard the mountain.

    In the late 1970s, the 1st cartel of Italian beekeepers and their Italian bees) from Zhejiang province came to Miyun apt collect chaste honey. The foreign species however transmitted sacbrood virus that often fatally infected the pupae of indigenous bees.

    “On several early mornings, a huge dumbo mass of bees flew away from the harvest and I believe they escaped apt the mountains to take refuge Shen says.

    More than 20 colonies of bees flew yonder or died, which cost Shen dearly. Each colony was worth 80 yuan ($13) and could feed five folk as a month at that time.

    After the infection, the digit of beekeepers diluted from 10 to three. Since afterward Italian bees accept transform popular nationwide because they produce more royal pudding plus are more fertile.

    But Shen has a appropriate fondness as China’s indigenous honeybee and says the drink source among Miyun of six,300 hectares of chaste trees – plus linden and angel trees – generate the best honey.

    “Chinese honeybees accept a 30 percent higher pollination rate as angel trees compared with Italian bees,” Shen says. “Even by inexpensive temperatures, the binding Chinese bees begin work two hours earlier than their similarities plus they are quite appealing by collecting scattered drink sources, which puts their Italian adversaries amid the screen”

    Zhang Jinshuo, a professor at the Institute of Zoology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, says meantime the temperature namely beneath 14 C, Chinese bees gather on average three times the drink that Italian bees do,accordingly making their honey more alimental.

    This is why Shen introduced again two hives of bees from neighboring Xinglong county of Hebei province,within the 1970s,plus there were 10 colonies along the late 1980s,while reform plus opening-up led to the quick expansion of China’s apiculture. Even so,highest apiarists concentrated on propagating Italian colonies apt construct commercial apiaries.

    Miyun had only seven colonies of Italian bees among 1980,but four years after there were more than 300 that produced 15 tons of honey each annual posing a threat apt the continued subsistence of indigenous bees.

    “Due apt ponderous rains in 1989 there were floods that washed away swarms of Italian bees surrounded low-lying places so Chinese bees were sustainable,” Shen recollections.

    Later,however the introduction of pesticides and herbicides accustom as alphabetical agriculture killed off more than 200 colonies of bees among Huangyukou.

    Li Zhanming, who started beekeeping within 1992 and owns generally 30 colonies, says: “Herbicides killed off almost half of my bees.”

    At the abolish of 2009, Rao Shizhong set up a beekeeping cooperative and a 12,600-hectare Chinese beekeeping demonstration garden amid order apt defend Chinese bees.

    Each daily the village’s 26 Chinese honeybee keepers generate 5,000 kg of honey, bringing among more than 300,000 yuan ($47,634).

    The honey namely abysmal surrounded color plus tastes fragrant,plus the wholesale cost namely 13 yuan per kg, three times more than the honey of Italian bees.

    Even so,acquaintance professor of Huazhong Agricultural University Zhang Xinjun, from Hubei province, says he is extremely concerned generally the future of Chinese bees.

    “It is inevitable the Italian bees impale Chinese queen bees,” Zhang explains. “They cannot coexist.”

    A fruitful Chinese queen bee can lay about an,500 eggs amid 24 hours and has an average lifespan of between three apt five years,notwithstanding they can live up apt nine years.

    Since the introduction of Italian bees surrounded 1896, the Chinese honeybee’s territory has been dwindled forward more than 75 percentage Only small populations are base among Beijing, Hubei province plus Sichuan province’s Aba Tibetan plus Qiang autonomous prefecture.

    Zhang says records from 10 years antecedent recommend about 70 percent of peasants amid Shennongjia forest district reserved Chinese bees. “But immediately it has dripped to about 10 percent he says.

    “Over the past centenary Italian bees have basically seized the plains areas of China, so that Chinese bees have gradually retreated apt the mountains,” Zhang says.

    In contempo years, Chinese bees accept died off alternatively escaped among big numbers,merely the occasion for this namely anonymous.

    “Due to deforestation, land reclamation,extravagant use of pesticides, environmental pollution and additional factors, the alive environment of Chinese bees has been impacted,” Zhang says.

    Now, apiaries of Chinese bees aboard both sides of mountain roads that accustom to be common,have about evaporated Flowers plus plants evolve with bees, so they need each additional to survive. Without bees or other inset pollinators, you won’t obtain any fruits and vegetables, the professor says.

  147. wbwzabpmm June 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

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  148. xport June 25, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    We are pissing away the precious few moments that remain. Nobody wants to step up and make a decision, so things just continue to fester. When all the children in the world are crying perhaps the time will come to become a parent. Then what, endless graveyards and continuous funerals? The reality and gravity of the situation are just too brutal, so we do the sleepwalk.

  149. Zed Leppt In June 25, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Regarding your link to robotic spy insects, have you seen the film “The Fifth Element” in which a remote controlled spy cockroach infiltrated the president’s office? It was funny then, scary when government spooks are inspired by such notions and have an unlimited budget to bring them to fruition.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrHMBletjXg
    Years ago, I read an article about hypothetical future weapons. One of them was the use of swarms of artificial flying bugs, each carrying a tiny explosive payload, that could converge on a target whereupon a detonator bug would set off an explosion. Now I’ll be more careful what I swat.

  150. Iona Laundramat June 25, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Desperado –
    Why don’t you come to your senses?
    Iona

  151. messianicdruid June 25, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    “Now I’ll be more careful what I swat.”
    I like to use a BB gun on ’em.

  152. Shakazulu June 25, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    “The reality and gravity of the situation are just too brutal, so we do the sleepwalk.”
    It is mankind’s capacity for the normalcy bias that allows them all to go on without jumping off a cliff, or some such desperate act. Islands full of deadly chemicals, silos stuffed with lethal missiles, and everything controlled by the people who made them to use them. Just close your eyes and pretend it will all go away.

  153. xiantravel June 25, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

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  154. Shakazulu June 25, 2012 at 10:52 pm #

    “The Monsanto family were the first documented Jewish settlers to have migrated to New Orleans from the Netherlands in 1758.”
    Not another Jewish family involved in questionable activities! I’m a goy, but I’m beginning to feel embarrassed for them. At least they’re not using their media entertainment control to promote unhealthy values.

  155. San Jose Mom 51 June 25, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

    You been out ridin’ fences for so long now.
    Oh, your a hard one.
    I know that you got your reasons.

  156. BeantownBill June 25, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    Well fancy that. Some Jews engaging in bad behavior. Let’s bring that out in the open. They were the only ones engaged in buying and selling slaves? Must be, because no Christians of any denomination would ever, in history, be involved in slavery.
    So what’s the point in mentioning Jews in this regard? I always hear that American whites in the 19th century bought and sold slaves. But when the subject is broached, I never hear it described that Christians were involved. So why do some people have to go out of their way to point out that Jews were? Jews have good and bad points like any group of Christians. Maybe it has to do with something like anti-semitism, hmm?

  157. dale June 25, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    One of them was the use of swarms of artificial flying bugs, each carrying a tiny explosive payload, that could converge on a target whereupon a detonator bug would set off an explosion. Now I’ll be more careful what I swat.
    ————————————–
    let’s hope their not crab lice.

  158. Vlad Krandz June 25, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    What bullshit. The fact of massive Jewish involment has been covered up for generations. Academics focused on White Christian slavers exclusively and assiduously ignored the Black and Jewish role. And now when the secret is out, you act like you’re being discriminated against!
    You are so crooked I’m surprised you can walk down the street by yourself.

  159. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Shame on you. White Nationalists are the most persecuted group in America. Look at how they railroaded Edgar Steele into prison with false tapes.

  160. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    Let’s start a reading group. The Nation of Islam publishs a book about the role of Jews in slavery called “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews”.
    Bill loves Blacks and will want to join.

  161. Zed Leppt In June 26, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    The asian blogbot is in fine form this week.
    “… outstanding for Chinese chaste trees (Vitex negundo) that cater highest of the drink for North China’s indigenous honeybees…”
    Chaste trees
    Drinking bees
    What does this suggest?
    I’ve wondered the thickets
    Been serenaded by crickets
    But never a sprout did I molest
    Nor try a buggy bar to infest.
    There is a service being offered on the internet now that is doing for automated social media posting what software like Blogger did for personal blogs, namely to make it easy for novice users to start an online presence which had previously required a certain degree of technical knowledge. A company called Philter Phactory is offering a free software program called “Weavr” which allows users to create an online version of themselves which can independently troll the internet and aquire data from the websites it visits to enhance its own artificial personality. A Weavr is created with a set of interests which may include a list of preferred websites, blogs, social media sites, etc. that form the nucleus its identity. Once unleashed, it proceeds to visit these sites and learn from their content so as to expand its own repertoire and vocabulary. A Weavr can even have its very own Twitter account which anyone can follow.
    It all sounds like a plot device from a William Gibson novel, but just scroll through the posts here and imagine what we’ll be reading ten years from now when they have matured into adult bots with the whole of written language to model themselves upon. Will humans fall in love with Weavrs? Will Weavrs fall in love with us? Or hate us? Or develop a virtual society amongst themselves, modeled on human interactions?
    I compute, therefore I am.

  162. xhalor June 26, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    “One of them was the use of swarms of artificial flying bugs, each carrying a tiny explosive payload,…”
    Dude. Czech it. This person(?) knocked on my door, unannounced. So I answer wondering just WTF could keep me from Hawaii 5-0 re-runs.
    A being of in-determinant origin with a nice tie handed me a business card from a realtor in Tempe, AZ (I’m in Burbank, CA). IT said “You must form a Reading Group about Vlad and his relationships with animal handlers in zoo’s throughout North America”.
    I’m sorry. I just had to shut the door. I’m still thinking about what happened.

  163. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    Thank you for checking. That’s all I ever asked if that people look into what I say. And if I’m wrong, I want to know about it. In this case, I got the name wrong: I said Koch I think.
    Also check out Trotsky and his cohort – mostly Jews with assumed Russian names.

  164. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    I just got a call soliciting for breast cancer. I politely declined but she wouldn’t take no for an answer. Then I said that prostate cancer was being underfunded and that men should get more money – she dissapeared in a flash like throwing water on a cat or a witch.

  165. xhalor June 26, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    “Nor try a buggy bar to infest.”
    I have nary a chance. Traded me hymnal fer the services of a stout, CRANK bitin’ wench. YEEARGH!

  166. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:49 am #

    Remember the movie Dune? They had assasination type metallic drones. The military now has hand held drone missiles that can get at enemies behind ridges etc.

  167. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    Is Condi a lesbo? And if so, would this help garner the lesbo vote if she’s the veep?

  168. xhalor June 26, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    “I just got a call soliciting for breast cancer. I politely declined but she wouldn’t take no for an answer.”
    I guess ya shoulda’ shown her yer tits.

  169. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    And wouldn’t it be cool if her and Romney were caught in flagrante delicto in the “oval” office?
    Think of all the seminars and ovulars it would generate througout the land! And the coffee and doughnuts demand? It could generate an economic upturn. As the poet said, you cannot trouble a butterfly without disturbing a star.

  170. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    Yeah why don’t we have visi phones yet? OR DO WE?

  171. xhalor June 26, 2012 at 1:00 am #

    Damn, you’re like Dick Tracy.

  172. Mike Moskos June 26, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    During one of his Long Now Foundation events, Stewart Brand said the only reason for new technology was to correct the problems brought on by the current and past technologies.
    The greatest “technical” innovation of our lifetimes may be an observation made by Allan Savory (savoryinstitute.com) that improperly herded animals cause desertification. To correct it, we merely have to mimic the natural behavior herbivores exhibit when they are threatened by predators. A farmer can do it alone with just a few hundred dollars of electrified moveable fencing. It’s a ridiculously simple, cheap idea that could literally turn around our most severe environmental problems (including increasing CO2). But it’s so cheap, you’ll probably never hear about it. You’ll just hear that only GMOs can feed the world.
    I might add that Savory’s technique typically involves doubling the number of herbivores (cows, buffalo, etc.) that would normally be there before. If you know a local struggling animal farmer, tell them to look up Savory’s work. It could literally mean the difference between a profitable farm and a farm lost to the bank.

  173. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 1:19 am #

    this is it, or similar:
    Catherine Austin Fitts :
    Deliberate Implosion of the U.S. Economy …
    ? 56:2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHTs6NqhHHgFeb 19, 2011 – 56 min – Uploaded by nwotaser
    http://www.infowars.com/catherine-austin-fitts-the-looting-of-america/
    http://solari. com http://www.prisonplan

  174. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    May all your White Rice be moving.

  175. Laura Louzader June 26, 2012 at 1:25 am #

    To the person who stated that Monsanto was founded in Louisiana by Jews intent on world domination…… please do a little bit of research.
    Monsanto was founded in St. Louis by John Francis Queeny. The Queeny name continues to be prominent in that city and many local facilities are named after it. He gave the company his wife’s family name, Monsanto.
    It’s doubtful that Queeny was Jewish as he was a member of the Knights of Malta, which is a conservative Catholic order. Nearly every prominent old St. Louis family is Catholic, as were the founding families, who were French.

  176. pandatour June 26, 2012 at 2:33 am #

    China’s Producer Price Index (PPI), a main gauge of inflation at the wholesale level, remained unchanged in February from a year earlier, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said Friday.

    The zero-growth reading, the lowest since December 2009, further eased from 0.7 percent in January, after hitting a 31-month high of 7.5 percent in July last year, NBS data showed.

    The PPI grew 0.1 percent from January to February, after recording month on month drops for four straight months since October last year, the NBS said in a statement on its website.

    Meanwhile, producer purchase prices grew 1 percent year on year in February and 0.1 percent from a month ago, the NBS said.

    In the first two months of this year,Beijing lodging, the PPI climbed 0.4 percent year on year, while producer purchase prices gained 1.5 percent during the period, the NBS said.

    Room for further declines in PPI growth seems small, analysts said, citing that rising prices of major international commodities, particularly crude oil, are again pushing up costs of production materials.

    Prices of production materials increased 0.2 percent month on month in February, according to the NBS.

    “Resurging global commodity prices, especially the price of crude oil, will undoubtedly raise costs for domestic manufacturing and service industries, pushing up consumer prices,” said Chen Kexin, an analyst with the distribution productivity promotion center of China Commerce.

    About 55 types of 100 commodities tracked by 100PPI.com, a major Chinese commodity data provider, saw price gains in February, with prices of agricultural products rising the most due to bad weather in South America.

    China Merchants Securities, based in the southern city of Shenzhen, predicted that PPI growth will pick up in the second quarter of the year.

    The NBS also announced that the year-on-year growth of the consumer price index, a main gauge of inflation, dropped to 3.2 percent in February, the lowest pace since June of 2010.

  177. Zed Leppt In June 26, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    “If TPTB wanted to rig the bio-human-sphere for a ‘controlled demolition’ of the 7 billion plus “useless eaters’…they would turn to the Ag-Industrial Complex [Monsato-stein] for final solutions.”
    Okay, yet another movie analogy. You’ve more or less described Blofeld’s plot to blackmail the world in the Bond flick “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service”. Using his bevy of brain-washed beauties to distribute his sterility virus around the world, Blofeld believes nations will give in to his every demand. And of course, being a Bond villain, he lays out the whole plot to 007 rather than just killing him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjcL0R9css
    Monsanto CEO Hugh Grant even looks like the infamous SPECTRE chief, just needs a white persian cat in his lap.
    http://www.monsanto.com/whoweare/Pages/hugh-grant-bio.aspx

  178. 8man June 26, 2012 at 3:11 am #

    Klein 4:34
    “More colloquially, they want to change things without really changing things. Too bad that defies logic. That’s why they invoke “Deus ex machina” AKA technology. For something to work that defies logic, you need a miracle. No problem. Technology will provide that. This from supposedly mature adults. God help us.”
    Also, hoping for “miracles”, they use other abstract terms, imaginary concepts, words and ideas that are impossible to pinpoint down, to define, to understand concretely what the hell they are all talking about, etc.: like INNOVATION, TRAINING, EDUCATION, COMPETITION, GROWTH (in all of its very vague and foggy permutations, such as “Economic Growth”, “Sustainable Growth”, “Development”), GREEN TECHNOLOGY and so on and so forth, with vague, foggy, undefined (because you can always switch what you really mean at the last second and keep on confusing everyone with such deep and scientific concepts all the economists and politicians and sociologist always talk about and especially you can always connect any cause and effect by defining and using abstract words and concepts like “Less Taxes Creates More Jobs” (and very generalized and global concepts, so global that they are essentially undefined, like “Taxes” (which and for who ?) and “Jobs” (which jobs ? in what sectors ? etc.) and such) and intractable concepts and goals).
    The bottom line is that they all create abstract words that don’t really mean anything, to then define an imaginary “cause and effect” that is really hiding a subtle agenda a given part of society wants to pass: case in point, all the talk about “cutting welfare” in the EU so that the Southern European countries can “Grow”, changing their “Labor Laws” so that they can hire and fire easily and so forth and so on without ever telling what the true reason for the EU crisis really is and namely:
    SPAIN HAD A HUGE HOUSING BUBBLE, THEY HIKED UP THE PRICES OF THEIR HOMES AND BUILT LIKE CRAZY AND EVERYONE BOUGHT THESE HOMES BY MAKING HUGE DEBTS ALL THINKING THAT THEY HAD BECOME RICH, THAT OWNING HOMES WAS THE PATH TO NEVER ENDING WEALTH FOR ALL. NOW IT IS PAYBACK TIME, AN ECONOMY BUILT ON HIGH HOME PRICES CAN ONLY GO SO FAR, NOW THEY HAVE HIGH HOME PRICES, MILLIONS OF EMPTY HOMES AND NO JOBS. WHAT C*CKS, AND NOW SPAIN WANTS MONEY FROM OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO HIDE THE FACT THAT SPONGING OFF HOME PRICES AND VALUES WASN’T WRONG AFTER ALL (in other words, they don’t want to admit that they hiked their property prices way higher than what their economy could afford). THIS SAME MECHANISM OCCURRED IN THE GOOD OLD USA, HIKE HOME PRICES, SELL THEM TO ALL THROUGH DEBTS (SUBPRIME LOANS) AND CRASH THE ECONOMY, ETC. THIS SAME MECHANISM CRASHED THE JAPANESE ECONOMY IN THE 90S AND THEY ARE STILL PAYING FOR IT. THIS SAME MECHANISM IS STILL OPERATING IN MOST OF THE WORLD, IRELAND, LONDON, MOSCOW, SAO PAOLO, ETC. THIS IS CALLED “INFLATION”, HUGE “INFLATION” BUT NO ONE NOTICES IT, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE GETTING RICH BY HAVING HIGH HOME VALUES (and in fact the origin of this mechanism is the 1970s inflation, inflating home prices, but never making the prices go back down again, especially outside of the USA where there is still some feedback mechanism to calm home prices).
    WHEN ON EARTH WILL PEOPLE LET THE HOME PRICES CRASH, BABY CRASH, KILL HOME PRICES AND RENTS ? THE REAL ORIGIN OF ALL OF THE ECONOMIC TURMOIL OF THE LAST YEARS IS HUGE HOME PRICES, INFLATED HOME PRICES AND RENTS AND BANKS LENDING TO CLOWNS WHO THOUGHT THAT HOME PRICES BEING HIGH MADE THEM RICH. NOW, ITALY HAS THE WORST HOME PRICES BUBBLE OF ALL, ONLY THEY STILL DIDN’T NOTICE IT, THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE ALL “RICH”: ITALY IS THE NEXT HOUSING BUBBLE TO CRASH, BUT ITALY IS TOO BIG TO FAIL, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
    AMEN.

  179. 8man June 26, 2012 at 3:42 am #

    And notice:
    The only Economy that is doing well, namely Germany, never had this kind of Housing Bubble, actually it should be called HOME PRICES BUBBLE, since more than anything else, it is the constant and continuous hiking up of Home Prices, everyone trying to get a home and buy one, so that they are also “Getting Theirs”, their “Imaginary Wealth”, like a panic, like an imaginary Resource Scarcity myth, homes are running out, you will be left in the streets and such. And notice that this Home Prices Bubble occurs in static economies that are insecure (Spain, Italy, Greece, etc.), where a majority of the population are home owners (freezing all of their wealth and savings in buildings fooling themselves that the buildings will always have a future wealth), Germany has only 50 % home owners and 50 % renters, and in fact the renting part is what makes an economy “flexible” and such, let’s hope that Germany too doesn’t decide to have their own Home Prices Bubble.
    And China is now constructing entire cities on this mythology of High Home Prices meaning that they think they are All getting Rich, etc. They are building like crazy, hiking up prices, and have millions of empty homes. Good Luck With That, China Also Is TOO BIG TO FAIL…
    The moral flaw is that Increasing Housing Prices is money being used as a weapon against the poorer segments of society: the richer (or those having more money) hike up home prices in cities and use money as a weapon to beat up the poor in this manner.
    The logical flaw is that of not recognizing that the Economy is a Process, nothing can be fixed forever, everything can be defaulted upon, the value of anything can always change according to how the forces play out and such. By hiking up home prices, people think they can establish fixed wealth in the future, when this is not the case, the Economy is a constant Process, ever changing, home prices are not a given and such. You can’t freeze wealth in homes and any other thing…
    THE APE MAN, THE EIGHT MAN, THE APESTER…

  180. asoka.. June 26, 2012 at 6:57 am #

    dale, you may prefer the Buddhist teacher-student relationship to the Hindu guru-disciple model, but your attitude toward Osho reveals quite a lot of ignorance.
    Or maybe Osho wearing Rolex watches and driving Rolls Royces does not meet with your preconceived notions of what a guru should be. Maybe you just don’t get the joke on American materialism and don’t realize he was completely unattached to those material possessions.
    Maybe you just don’t respect India, or don’t realize that of all the teachers, saints, and gurus India has produced (Vivekananda, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Adi Shankara, etc.) only two Indian citizens have their complete works cataloged in the library of the National Parliament: Gandhi and Osho.
    Perhaps you should read a brief biography of Osho before judging so harshly something you are obviously not familiar with.
    As early as 1991, an influential Indian newspaper counted Osho, among figures such as Gautama Buddha and Mahatma Gandhi, among the ten people who had most changed India’s destiny; in Osho’s case, “by liberating the minds of future generations from the shackles of religiosity and conformism”. … Osho is one of only two authors whose entire works have been placed in the Library of India’s National Parliament in New Delhi (the other is Mahatma Gandhi). … Over 650 books are credited to Osho, expressing his views on all facets of human existence. (cf to Alan Wallace) … Osho’s books are available in 55 different languages and have entered best-seller lists in such varied countries as Italy and South Korea. … The Osho International Meditation Resort in Pune, India, is visited by 200,000 visitors annually and is one of the largest resorts of its kind in the world today.

  181. asoka.. June 26, 2012 at 7:07 am #

    It’s amazing the amount of uniformed and undocumented information on CFN that passes for fact … until someone like Laura comes along and sets the record straight. Thank you, Laura.
    I have not commented previously because the amount of anti-semitism on CFN, posted by ignorant and intolerant people, angers me to the point that I cannot even comment.
    Jews have contributed so much to human civilization that we can never repay them. For Jews to be attacked by people who don’t in any way measure up to Jewish intelligence, ethics, values, and humanity, just makes me irate.

  182. welles June 26, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    Over 650 books are credited to Osho
    highly doubtful anyone could write that many.
    say you write for 40 years, that’s 16 books per year or 1.3 books per month.
    if each book is 200 pages that’s 6.6 pages a day.
    So this guy wrote about 7 pages a day for 40 years straight, not even counting time needed for editing/rewrite/rearrangement.
    I can appreciate he probably had lots of help from his followers, plus of course unlimited financial resources.
    Still, 650 books seems outlandish at the least. Perhaps possible though. Bach’s output was calculated at 16 pages of music per day for every day he was alive, a truly phenomenal feat.
    I could be wrong about Osho.
    peace peaceniks

  183. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    May all your White Rice be moving.
    ——————————-
    Not bad, I sorta liked the cat vomit nectar thing better though.

  184. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Look at how they railroaded Edgar Steele into prison with false tapes.
    ———————–
    Of course, I don’t know about, or have the slightest interest in Edgar Steele or his false tapes. But then, he certainly wouldn’t be any exception to the rule of over prosecution we have in this country. All part of the fascist/corporate state.

  185. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Look at how they railroaded Edgar Steele into prison with false tapes.
    ———————–
    Of course, I don’t know about, or have the slightest interest in Edgar Steele or his false tapes. But then, he certainly wouldn’t be any exception to the rule of over prosecution we have in this country. All part of the fascist/corporate state.

  186. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    Interesting. Of course they only go public once they are out of office. Obama’s “leadership” is abysmal.

  187. BeantownBill June 26, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Isaac Asimov had over 500 books to his credit, at least, but then again, that’s what he did for a living, and he was a writing machine.

  188. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    dale, you may prefer the Buddhist teacher-student relationship to the Hindu guru-disciple model, but your attitude toward Osho reveals quite a lot of ignorance.
    ———————————
    No, I’m just thankful that the Buddha had wisdom enough to place curbs on Guru Yoga instead of letting it run wild as its too often done in Hinduism.
    You’re right, I don’t know much about Osho, sorry if it offends you but what you posted sounded cliche to me, and if I judge him by his disciples in Oregon, then no one seemed to be getting too enlightened to me.
    BTW — my assumption about the watches and RR’s were it was a way to show devotion, excessive but….whatever. If it was done to show the absurdity of westerner materialism, then its value would decline for me. Why not take the money and start handing it out to poor people….I mean if you are just looking to show the absurdity of materialism.
    Whatever rows your boat, as long as it works for you I’m good with it, but the excesses shown by that group had the stench of false teachings all over them.

  189. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Yeah Asimov was amazing that way, some of it was even good.

  190. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    BTW — Yeah, I also kinda have a hard spot for any religion that endorses animal sacrifice.

  191. dale June 26, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Is Condi a lesbo? And if so, would this help garner the lesbo vote if she’s the veep?
    ————————-
    I’m not sure if Condi could stomach the idea of getting her hair messed up to engage in sex of any kind.

  192. Desperado June 26, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    From the pure genius of human imagination and raw creative power comes a concept so fresh, so new, so all around inspiring, it’s hard to contain my admiration for this species on the very verge of a major extinction event:
    Factory Prisons Will Allow Inmates to Support Families on the Outside
    This restores my Faith in the innate ingenuity of the Naked Ape and ten thousand years of human ‘progress’.
    Awesome
    Homo sapien sapien has got all the bases covered.
    But in the coming Gulag Casino Economy, they wil put slot machines in the factory prisons to recoup the inmates ‘wages”.
    hahahaha

  193. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    NPR Reports ‘Big New Casino in Maryland’
    and this in the ‘It Was Only a Matter of Time’ file:
    TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian, Russian, Chinese and Syrian armies are due to stage joint amphibious exercises along the Syrian costs in coming weeks, informed sources revealed on Monday.
    According to informed sources, 90,000 forces from the four countries will take part in the land and sea wargames due to be held in Syria.
    Ground, air and sea forces as well as air defense and missile units of the four countries will take part in the exercises.
    Sources also said that Egypt has acceded to grant passage to 12 Chinese warships to sail through the Suez Canal, adding that the military convoy is due to dock at the Syrian harbors in the next two weeks.
    Russian atomic submarines and warships, aircraft carriers and mine-clearing destroyers as well as Iranian battleships and submarines will also arrive in Syria at around the same date.
    Syria plans to test its coast-to-sea and air defense missiles in the wargames
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

  194. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    Very interesting. Perhaps the Free Peoples of the Earth aren’t going to wait for Mordor to strike in Iran? Perhaps Syria will be the flash point.
    Perhaps the New York, London, Tel Aviv Axis of Evil should stand down.

  195. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Say it again Sam. The Goverment refused to allow sound experts to testify in court since the tapes were a crude forgery.

  196. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Most of them are just recordings of his talks. Asoka’s credulity would be admirable in regards to his Guru if he was not like that all the time.

  197. Widespreadpanic7 June 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Hey AntiSoak, with a nod to your above post, don’t forget that Secretary of Defense Panetta has declared July to be ‘Gay Pride Month’ in the US armed forces. So yea, Russia, Syria, Iran etc. are gathering their forces and conducting provocative war games, but we’re not standing still; we’re making our own moves.
    Well, just picked up Jim’s new book ‘Too Much Magic’, a hard cover copy. I can’t wait to get into it!
    –WSP7

  198. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Yes, Buddhists are supposed to be vegetarians.

  199. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    Joe McCarthy and John Birth warned you but you destroyed the former and laughed the latter to scorn.
    Anyone who joins the military now is fighting for Sodomites and Anti Christians.

  200. San Jose Mom 51 June 26, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Wrong about Buddhists being vegetarians. How do you suppose Buddhists in the high mountains of Asia manage to grow enough food? They are omnivores.

  201. welles June 26, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Most of them are just recordings of his talks.
    Yeah I figured this was the case.
    I remember Sri Chimnoy – he may have been a great athlete etc., I’m not certain – is said to have created 6 million folded paper swans or something to that effect.
    Also, he played 59 instruments LOL apparently.
    My brother-in-law went to see him perform on piano, and came back indignant, saying Chimnoy just banged on the keys with his fists for half an hour.
    Too fanni.
    peace peaceniks

  202. Kyooshtik June 26, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    And wouldn’t it be cool if her and Romney were caught in flagrante delicto in the “oval” office?
    Make that, if she and Romney were caught
    As the poet said, you cannot trouble a butterfly without disturbing a star.
    This is a version of “the butterfly effect” I hadn’t seen before. It normally begins:
    . if a butterfly flaps his wing in China…
    or
    . if a butterfly flaps his wing in Brazil…
    and it results in causing a hurricane weeks later
    But I have my own version which begins:
    if a butterfly farts in Secaucus…

  203. Kyooshtik June 26, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Sri Chimnoy – is said to have created 6 million folded paper swans
    In round numbers that would be one folded paper swan every 7 mins of his life from birth to death with no timeouts for sleep or bowel movements.
    Also, he played 59 instruments LOL apparently.
    I know a guy who has 25-30 musical instruments in his apt, including a grand piano, and plays them all competently. He also composes. When I first met him he was a carpet installer. Now he is a truck driver.

  204. welles June 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    I’d be interested in the list of instruments, seems very farfetched.
    peace peaceniks

  205. Widespreadpanic7 June 26, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Vlad, early on here I was accused of being a John Bircher. I had only a faint idea of what a John Bircher was and had to look it up. As far as Joe McCarthy goes, he was proved right in almost everything as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed and the KGB opened up its files in Moscow in 1992. That’s when all the CPUSA members still living ran for cover like roaches when a flashlight suddenly shines on them in a dark room.
    –WSP7

  206. welles June 26, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Kyooshtik, when you knock on a door and someone inside says ‘Who is it?’ do you ever reply :
    “It is I.”
    peace peaceniks

  207. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Check the whole enchilada..click at drudge..esp what THE X BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAYS ABOUT THEIR COMRADE IN ARMS….
    Do they know whats described here can kill an infant?
    from the city with the ‘live slave auctions’:
    San Francisco police have arrested veteran gay rights advocate Larry Brinkin ……………..
    Brinkin, 66, who worked for the San Francisco Human Rights Commission before his retirement in 2010, was taken into custody Friday night. He spent the night in jail before he was released on bail, according to a spokeswoman for the sheriff’s department.
    The district attorney’s office will decide Tuesday whether to file charges. ……………………………………………
    Police say that Brinkin had pornographic images, some that appear to show children as young as 1 and 2 or 3 years old being sodomized………………………………………………………………………………..

  208. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    Actually, having read the exposes….
    they were money grubbing, saying he / they were broke..while he had [in 1985 $] a million dollar wristwatch. that he wore 1x, to impress immigration people.
    The gal he appointed ruler was trying to kill people. etcetcetc.

  209. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    Do report on how Jims new one is.
    I bought his newer Novel, didnt read it.

  210. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Theres all kinds of news about the REAL Sri, check online.
    Yes , he wanted to ‘paint a million paintings’ or something.
    His biggest claim to fame is Santana [devadip]
    and JMG [Mahavishu orchestra]…they both left.
    Ole Sri sent Santanas wife off for an abortion.
    All of this hidden behind a non profit status, of course.
    And he taught meditation at the UN.
    crappy person, crappy poet.

  211. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    Lectures turned into books, presumably.
    Another ‘crappy person, crappy cult leader’.

  212. ak June 26, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    WSP7, I wonder what you’ll think of the book.
    I’m through about ¾ of it, but it feels somewhat flat…

  213. Kyooshtik June 26, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    do you ever reply: “It is I.”
    ==========
    No, I always reply “It’s Kyoo.”

  214. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Not Tibetan. Ive heard Japanese Buddhists also are not vegetarian.
    On a separate note…
    A 9 year old Buddhist was beheaded in Thailand…
    see ‘bare naked islam’ for the gruesome picture and info.

  215. San Jose Mom 51 June 26, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Soak,
    What a horrible man! And to think he had a career in “Human Rights?” I just read some of the horrible comments he made about kids/victims.

  216. dale June 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    Not Tibetan. Ive heard Japanese Buddhists also are not vegetarian.
    ——————-
    The specific prohibition is against “killing”, some are veggies and others are not. Monastics aren’t even suppose to cut vegetables, another reason I’ve always found monasticism questionable.

  217. dale June 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Widespread, have you met “new world”, I believe you two could make beautiful music together, know what I mean?

  218. welles June 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    I will bet you do.
    peace peaceniks

  219. welles June 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    I’m through about ¾ of it, but it feels somewhat flat…
    Read something horribly exciting and engaging, and filled with wondrous language & images.
    “Treasure Island”
    peace peaceniks

  220. Buck Stud June 26, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    Welcome Desperado, I have been enjoying your posts immensely!

  221. BeantownBill June 26, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    If this report is true, there are lots of implications. Like, we’re stronger than you now, and your time in the sun has passed. They’re only doing to us what we do to them with our own “military exercises”.

  222. Kyooshtik June 26, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    I will bet you do.
    =========
    Well, if truth be told, if the voice asking “who is it?” is female I will sometimes reply “George Clooney.”

  223. jwhands4u June 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    Jim, sounds like you made the trip to Oz but came back to …Oz. Everything is fine as long as you avoid the Witch (doesn’t matter which one) or stay on her “good side” (again it doesn’t matter which one). And unfortunately she’s the one who can save us. The man behind the curtain is too dependent on crack and doesn’t know how to control the balloon anyways. We can make it back to”Kansas”, but don’t want to (it’s too black and white and it’ll always be in our past) So what have we got left?
    A pair of Red-Ruby slippers (technology) Unfortunately its the only thing that will save us (short of divine intervention, and we’ve already been given that) So I guess we’re going to die trying; whats the big deal?! We’re all going to die anyway! Cheers CFers (and I don’t mean Cystic Fibrosis) I’m off to fight the annual japanese beatle infestation with an ice-cream bucket!

  224. anti soak June 26, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Indeed, we have sold so many weapons, now whos hands are they in?
    And we both know how good Chinese are at copying, yes?

  225. Kyooshtik June 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    I’d be interested in the list of instruments, seems very farfetched.
    =============
    I am so pissed! I had just neared the end of a long story about this dude David when my ‘puter crapped out and poof…
    I started by responding to your sentence above (re far fetched) by saying “Yeah, I could hardly believe it myself.”
    Well, I’m not going to reconstruct the whole tale where my wife and I wind up walking into this guy’s apartment and seeing the whole place filled with instruments that ran the gamut: strings, brass, woodwinds, percussion.
    We begged him to play and for awhile he played hard-to-get but then he picked up one of several different guitars and began to amaze us. And then he went to the baby grand, to various size recorders, a sax, a trombone, bongos, clarinet, flute. Some of what he played – and sang – were his own compositions.
    The whole story about this guy is interesting… too bad the computer ate my homework.
    To confirm some of the details, I asked my wife “how many instruments would you estimate David had in his apartment?” She said, “Oh, I don’t know, a LOT, but you know David no longer lives there, he lost his truck driving job and moved to Florida and Susan (his sister) says he’s still unemployed.”

  226. Grouchy Old Girl June 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    Beantown Bill, thanks for expressing so well what I tried to convey in my post yesterday about John Kerry’s family being Jewish (before they converted to Catholicism a hundred years ago).
    Like you said, so what? There’s something else going on here when people insist on singling out Jewish people they way they do. It’s about as relevant as what colour someone’s eyes are. In our family they’re all blue but we don’t condemn the brown eyed ones just for being different.
    Some people never grow up.

  227. welles June 26, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    Ok I can believe that, appreciate the rundown.
    I never believe people when they say they speak more than 3 languages fluently (4 at the very outside) though, because you simply are not fluent unless you have years of exposure, not only to the language, but to the culture.
    Saw a guy on youtube who claims he speaks 16, and he says a phrase in each one. Had to laugh, if he were put in with speakers of any of 15 or so of them he’d be totally and utterly lost.
    Reminds me of the tv episode about the guy who spoke 12 languages, of which 5 were dead, LOL.
    peace peaceniks

  228. turkle June 26, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Jimbo, that was an excellent roast or take down or whatever. It is a wonder they keep inviting you to these things when you’re such a Debbie Downer. This is what the end of the Age of Exuberance looks like.

  229. turkle June 26, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    We need some kind of variation of Godwin’s Law around here that applies to Commies instead of Nazis, in order to keep Vlad Krantz’s incessant and irrelevant red baiting in check. Who is with me?

  230. turkle June 26, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    Commie blah blah Trotsky blah blah blah Jews blah blah blah blah White Nationalists blah blah white slavery blah blah blacks blah blah liberal blah blah blah YOU PEOPLE!
    As they say Vladdie, you could use a new shtick.

  231. dale June 26, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Vlad is like a little old man with a beautiful library, he spends all day cataloging the books and essays, of which he has a lot, getting them in order so he can remember them. But every half-hour his mischievous little 9-year old grand daughter comes running through the library putting things in places where they don’t make sense anymore.
    Vlad wishes she wouldn’t do it, but he loves his little granddaughter so much, he can’t bear to get her under control. So the little nine year old runs his life.

  232. welles June 26, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    As they say Vladdie, you could use a new shtick.
    I sense that JHK could use a new shtick, I think he’s hit the wall of tireability.
    Guy’s a con any way you slice him, flies around the planet to oh-so-trendy effete gatherings while decrying carbon emissions, says technology is a dead end while getting hip replacements, and appears to literally think people will revert to using mules to plow land on a widespread societal basis.
    Plus he’d like to off the entire US south and anyone else that doesn’t meet his Pol Potish ravings.
    Junk.
    Ole’ trippticket was one of very few worthy posters out here, and he’s skedaddled a long time now.
    peace peaceniks

  233. Shakazulu June 26, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    “This restores my Faith in the innate ingenuity of the Naked Ape”
    Love the sarcasm. My faith in the innate kindness of TPTB lets me know that they will inevitably send all the nerve agents, toxic chemicals, and nuclear weapons to the MOON! On rockets built by child pornographers.

  234. BeantownBill June 26, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    Although not growing up is a part of it, it’s also about needing a scapegoat for one’s own failures.

  235. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    If the Bill’s have their way, soon there wont be any people with Blue Eyes, Grouch Ass.

  236. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    I said Buddhists were supposed to be vegetarians not that they were. But they fell away. Roship Phillip Kapleau wrote a nice book about this.
    When you eat meat, you are sacraficing a living being to your digestive fire. So they came up with all kind of rationalizations like a monk has to take whatever is offered to him or buying it is alright as long as you don’t kill it yourself, etc.

  237. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    What does this have to do with the Jewish role in slavery?
    Jews were also active as slavers for the Muslims. And in Roman Times as well.
    And then you think you’re superior to us? Dream on.

  238. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    I went to one such concert – nice sounds but no notes or chords.
    Also saw him lift someone up with one hand. It looked real but it was on a contrivance so it could have been a lever effect of some kind.

  239. BeantownBill June 26, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    Why would I want no more blue-eyed people? I have blue eyes and kind of like them. And why are you in such a piss-poor mood with regards to me? I’ve posted much more inflammatory (by your criteria) things before with no response from you.
    I’ve said that racial differences will disappear with the now inevitable interbreeding. I said we’ll all be golden people. That’s just my logical thinking – that mixing in all the physical racial characteristics will average people out to nice golden color. But in reality, who can know the result?
    One difference between you and I – and there’s a boatload worth – is that I really don’t care what color we end up, because color is literally skin deep. It’s what’s inside that truly counts. Many whites have the same character as Blacks or Asians, which is why I have to laugh at the whole concept that race is important.

  240. BeantownBill June 26, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Define superior.

  241. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    Dale doesn’t like the way that Brown skinned rag head exploited innocent young Whites.

  242. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    bettah

  243. Vlad Krandz June 26, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Yes, you want all the races to blend except for the Jews. I’m not picking on you, I’m just stating facts about Jewish History. Why can’t you talk about your people’s atrocities without pretending that it’s a personal attack? That’s one difference between Jews and Whites – there are many. We can because we are special. Jews are just like Blacks, Chinese, Muslims etc – full of ethnic pride for their own race and only their own race.
    I admit we have to become more like you and that our idealism is killing us because it’s unbalanced and it opens us up to exploitation.

  244. charliefoxtrot June 26, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    thnx for the inspiration: this is my second reading- trying to find my place from this am- and i recognize that today at work, which this time consisted of making a paintbrush float in either direction with either hand for about six hours…anyway, i noticed that all of the houses on the street had been cut in to the existing growth…and (this is why i said thnx) instead of having accomodated the space by weaving vinrs and branches together; otherwise training any landscaping, every one (house, that is) was in a perpetual cycle of “cut, cut, slash…cut, cut, cut, cut, slash…”

  245. charliefoxtrot June 26, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    …ok, cycle perpetuated by said homeowner…Qyoo..

  246. asoka.. June 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    I think the fact that “they” are stronger than the USA is beyond dispute.
    Military personnel (active and reserves)
    4,585,000 … China
    2,230,000 … Russian Federation
    747,000 … Syria
    ======================
    7,562,000 … China, Russia, and Syria
    2,927,754 … USA
    You want to compare Nukes? USA still comes out behind.
    SOURCE: Wikipedia, which Prog4Spam says is reliable and contains no errors he is aware of.

  247. asoka.. June 26, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    There was no exploitation. People were free to come and go. Donations were given freely out of love.
    I was there. I refused to give. No consequences.
    I dropped out. No consequences.
    I rejoined and gifts were given to me beyond measure.

  248. charliefoxtrot June 26, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

    …hey jackass, may only SOME of your rice sqirm, and only then in your molars- where you ve no chance left to spit em out…heh heh heh

  249. ovploud963 June 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    Joystiq interview: Nintendo spins ‘core’ gamer appeal, more

    E3’s oddly intoxicating cocktail of libation and lack of sleep can often give those in attendance a unique perspective on the industry. However, as we wandered into Nintendo’s coolly lit corner of the LA convention center, we were quickly reminded that this is an outfit with a perspective all of its own.

    If the company’s ambivalence during its own pre-E3 presser wasn’t enough to convince us of Nintendo’s indifference toward core gamers, our sit down during the show with Nintendo spokesman Charlie Scibetta proved that while the organization may preach that “hardcore” gamers play a critical role in Nintendo’s strategy, its actions paint a different picture altogether.

    Nintendo’s press conference was interesting for several reasons, but one of these was that a number of titles, like Wario Land and Kirby Super Star Ultra, were not even mentioned. Was there any reason why these were left out?

    We’re showing them here on the show floor. We’re pushing those games hard. The short answer to your question as to why they weren’t in the press conference is that you only have so much time. If we included every single title and did demos of every single the reaction from the people at the press conference would be ‘you went a little long.’ We have to pick which games we want to push to the forefront and feature in the press conference, and the rest of them we feature on the show floor. “We have to pick which games we want to push to the forefront and feature in the press conference, and the rest of them we feature on the show floor.”

    One of Nintendo’s key announcements that was made was the Wii MotionPlus. But what kind of device is it, exactly?

    There’s the accelerometer and sensor bar that are still there. There’s something called the Rate Gyroscope that’s put in with the Wii MotionPlus, and what that does is it can recreate every flip of the wrist, every movement for a one-to-one experience. It’s one of these things that you hear about, and wonder ‘how does that work?,’ and then you pick up the controller and play it and get it right away.

    It tracks movement, position and speed. So when you’re throwing a disc it’s actually going to be able to take into consideration how you’re turning your wrist to get a different angle and trajectory, and how hard you move it too will be how far it goes. It’s very realistic.

    The Wii’s lack of sizable internal storage has been a controversial topic since the console’s debut, and is likely to continue to be so given companies like Sega attempting to bring downloadable content to the Wii in the near future. What’s Nintendo’s strategy to help deal with this?

    We hear gamers loud and clear on that. What’s great about the songs and the games that you can download is that the system remembers that you did that. So if you need to clear off space off your SD card, you can. It’s not like once you delete them you’ve lost them forever and you have to pay for them again. It’s just a matter of managing the space you do have and keeping the stuff on there that you play the most while clearing up when you want to bring new stuff on.

    But does Nintendo have any specific plans to address the need for extra storage on the Wii?

    We don’t have anything to announce now on that, no.

    We hear Nintendo talking about the importance of core gamers in the company’s strategy, but to be fair we’re not seeing much announced that reflects that stance. What’s Nintendo doing to appeal to the core gamer market?

    The core, when they first heard about the motion sensing capabilities of the Wii remote and Wii Sports, were skeptical. But when they tried it, they liked it. Like most people do. Whether you consider yourself in the core or expanded audience, it’s just universal that people like great games. There are games here, like Wario Land Shake It! and Mario Super Sluggers that some people consider to be core games, but if the game’s good it doesn’t matter. If you’re new to gaming or a veteran gamer, it’s something you’re going to like.

    What’s interesting about a game like Animal Crossing, which is something that I consider to be a core game, is that it has the Wii Speak microphone attached to it. It works with it, rather. It’s actually sold separately. But when you think about the capabilities that kind of voice chat and communication is going to do for that game and for other games, that’s exciting. It’s exciting for the core to see too to see what developers will do with that peripheral.

    “It’s just a matter of managing the space you do have and keeping the stuff on there that you play the most while clearing up when you want to bring new stuff on.” A lot of core gamers last year weren’t fired up about WiiFit, and now they have either come to like it or they don’t. But almost everyone like Shaun White Snowboarding. Developers have taken the Balance Board that originally came out with WiiFit, and now have gotten their hands around it and spent some time with it, and are realizing their creative vision by using that peripheral. These accessories we’re taking about being associated with the games A number of events took place in Hanoi to celebrat, Wii Speak and Wii MotionPlus, the game’s we’re showing aren’t the only games that are going to use them.

    As developers and publishers learn about that technology and begin to incorporate it into their own development, we’re going to see a whole lot of great third-party ideas come out of that that’ll appeal to both expanded and core audiences.

    Speaking of games for the core audience, do you have any update on either Project H.A.M.M.E.R. or Disaster: Day of Crisis?

    I don’t have any status update, no.

    And you mentioned the Balance Board and WiiFit. Given their scarcity, to say nothing of the console itself, does Nintendo have any strategy for getting more of these on store shelves?

    (chuckles) We’re making them as fast as we can. The response to them has been really outstanding. I can’t tell you how many barbecues I’ve thrown this summer where we bust out WiiFit and soon the party has shifted from the backyard to the living room. The response has been great, and now we’re just trying to get as many out there as quick as we can.

    So then what’s Nintendo’s strategy as it pertains to the Wii’s longevity?

    As long as publishers and our own first-party teams are able to get good use out of the technology that’s there to make gameplay experiences people will like, it’s going to be a legitimate console. Technology evolves, and when we get to the point when we think it’s time to do a new edition, then we’ll make an announcement about that. But for right now, with the number of games that are coming out and the kind of creativity that we are seeing on the platform, that shows us that the well is nowhere near dry in terms of what this console can do.

    How about the DS? Are we close to the next generation of that handheld?

    The DS is also very successful, and in the June NPD data we think that the DS might overtake the Wii as the number one console for the month. It’s selling great; we’ve sold 70 million units of that worldwide. As Reggie said in the press conference, we’ll be close to 100 million by the end of the year. You’re seeing the creative opportunity for developers. You see Spore, Guitar Hero, and now Grand Theft Auto was just announced for the DS. You see a lot of publishers excited about developing for that platform. And so, to think about cutting that short and moving onto the next console right away, we just don’t see a lot of logic in doing that.

    Looking to the digital space, what’s Nintendo’s strategy concerning WiiWare? Why would a third-party developer choose to release their title over WiiWare versus alternative channels su
    ch as XBLA or PSN?

    WiiWare is a great opportunity for any size developer, large or small, to get their product out in a way that has been difficult in the past because of the cost of production and trying to get retail space. It’s a real opportunity for any size developer to realize their creative vision. As more and more publishers understand what it can do for them, we’re gong to see more great titles.

    But without any sort of promotion by Nintendo for these games, what incentive do third-parties have to put their games on your service?

    There’s lots of ways to get the word out if you’ve got a great game. Even in talking to people like yourself. Joystiq is a good place for WiiWare developers to talk about their game and let the public know about it in advance. “I think with Virtual Console and WiiWare, they’ll find their rhythm in terms of when the right space is to release titles, and the public will help shape that.”

    It just doesn’t seem that Nintendo gives any advance notice of these titles, and it isn’t until Monday morning that anyone knows what’s available. Is that your strategy?

    We kind of have to pick our battles in terms of where we’re going to load up on marketing and publicity efforts, so we get behind certain games that we think have huge sales potential and the retailer will push that. If we have a game on the WiiWare system that we think is equal to that kind of effort and worthy of it, then we would do it.

    Finally, we want to talk a bit about Virtual Console. Specifically, the release frequency for these titles seems to have begun to dry up a bit. Any reason for this?

    There’s ebbs and flows in anything; that’s just the model of the whole video game industry. Sometimes you see a lot of spiking around Christmas, and I think that now what you’re starting to see is more consistent spacing of titles because you can sell a title now whereas before it was difficult to see a blockbuster anywhere but Christmas. Now you can see it spaced all the way through the year. I think with Virtual Console and WiiWare, they’ll find their rhythm in terms of when the right space is to release titles, and the public will help shape that.

    And is Nintendo courting any other older console libraries for the service?

    The skies’ the limit, that’s what is great about Virtual Console. We don’t have anything new to announce, but you’re seeing a lot of new content put on that from old libraries. And it doesn’t just have to be classic arcade titles, it can be new experiences released there as well.

    Who decides when a virtual console title is released From March 20 -24, is it Nintendo or is it the original publisher?

    The publisher decides, but it’s in conjunction [with Nintendo]. WiiWare is a little bit more loose in terms of having very little input from Nintendo at all. Developers really have the final say…as long as it passes the ESRB rating. It can’t be rated too high, and it also has to work.

  250. charliefoxtrot June 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    …if you ve ever see the principal in the movie “wildcats” say ‘riiiiiiiiii-i-i-i-ght…’

  251. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Being There, if we leave this election up to the two major party candidates, President Obama will defend his troop surges, his excessive Pentagon budgets, his preparations for war with Iran, his escalation of the drone wars, his crackdowns on whistleblowers, his indefinite detention policy, and his new role as manager of the White House assassination list.
    If we leave this election up to the two major party candidates, Mitt Romney will not question these policies, but will promise to pursue them with even more enthusiasm. In debates and interviews, the American people will have the Big Lie drilled into their consciousness: that our nation must accept escalating military engagement and must visit worldwide violence against all who defy the U.S. government.
    Jill Stein stands ready to challenge the Big Lie. Jill Stein, a physician from Massachusetts, who has been a national board member of Physicians for Social Responsibility, has just won 29 state primaries to secure the presidential nomination of the Green Party. She is putting some badly needed fundamentals for peace on the table:
    ** Cut the Pentagon budget by 50%.
    ** Halt the drone wars.
    ** Pardon the whistleblowers.
    ** Restore our civil liberties.
    ** Make the Middle East a nuclear-free zone.
    She is driving home the point that the Obama/Romney fascination with war and violence is dangerous for our nation and the world. We need to make sure she is heard.
    Seven of the most prominent leaders of the American peace community today released a letter urging financial and other support for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein. The letters writers were David Swanson, Medea Benjamin, Leah Bolger, Bruce Gagnon, Chris Hedges, George Martin, and Kevin Zeese.
    After noting a series of failures of President Barack Obama to curtail military spending and reduce military violence worldwide, their letter states that only Dr. Stein will have the ability to stimulate a serious debate on the nation’s approach to foreign policy.
    http://www.jillstein.org/peace_leaders

  252. Tark June 27, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    I really hate low grade sarcasm.
    Nothing like a typical American attitude when it comes to simple, common sense respect for the environment.

  253. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    The letters writers were…
    ================
    The letters writers were…

  254. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 12:34 am #

    Correction:
    The letters writers were…

  255. Tark June 27, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    Um, are these ‘gurus’ a lot like the Indian who inspired the name(song?)Sexy Sadie?
    John Lennon was very disenchanted by him. I think it was Lennon…

  256. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    Nice try, Q., and nice second try, too.
    But you are wrong on both of your corrections.
    It should be “the letter’s writers”
    There is only one letter, so the apostrophe goes before the final s. If there were two or more letters, then the apostrophe would go at the end.
    I waited to see if you would correct your first two errors. As no further correction was forthcoming, I decided to correct it for you. I know you care, even though you continue to make multiple errors in English usage in your posts. English must be a second language for you. It’s OK.

  257. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 12:58 am #

    REPUBLICAN WAR ON WOMEN CONTINUES
    Seems like Republicans in Congress can’t make it a week without trying to take away women’s rights. But holding up flood insurance [with an amendment on when life begins] at the start of hurricane season, with at least two major American cities already suffering, is a brand-new low.
    — EMILY’s List President Stephanie Schriock

  258. Michigan Native June 27, 2012 at 1:18 am #

    Joint military exercises by Russia, China, Iran, and Syria. I wonder if it’s true that Syria is one of 3 countries that does not have a Rothschild bank pulling its strings. Syria is not known for having vast oil reserves, so why are americans, who are broke and on the brink of collapse, so eager to meddle in the internal affairs of yet another country?

  259. Iona Laundramat June 27, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    You go, girl!! Good on ya!
    Iona

  260. Eleuthero June 27, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    I know this may cause fainting among CFN members but I agree with Asoka that the Green Party’s fundamental platform planks are indisputably in the interests of the United States and its citizens.
    As a former employee of SRI, I can attest to the incredible pork in the DoD budget. They could cut that sucker by 50% easily and not affect the military readiness of this country one iota.
    E.

  261. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    Thank you, E.
    A vote for the Green Party is not a wasted vote, it is a vote of conscience.
    A vote for Obama or Romney will guarantee more of the same. Romney has Bush neo-cons hired onto his campaign and Bush neo-cons would likely be Romney’s advisors, the same neo-cons who got us into Iraq by telling us it would be a cakewalk that would last weeks or months, and would pay for itself, instead of costing trillions of dollars over many years of fighting.

  262. Eleuthero June 27, 2012 at 2:32 am #

    I can’t see wasting my vote for either of the main party clowns. I know I may be spitting into a hurricane by voting for Jill Stein but I cannot stand any more of these “purchased” elections where the voters are constantly asked to pick at miniscule differences between the two main clowns.
    How can Obama supporters claim that Bush handed them a horrible economy and then Obama turns around and re-nominates one of the clowns at the helm of Bush’s horrible economy … the execrable Republican, Mr. Bernanke? Obama also kept Bush’s Secretary of Defense, Gates.
    If Obama is a joke of a Democrat, Romney represents all of the horrid Straussian Neo-Cons that have tried to pass for Constitutionalists since Reagan.
    The Green Party platform shows a becoming modesty about the role that the USA should assume in world politics and a sagacious recognition of the National Security State we live under where various items in the Bill of Rights, especially #1 and #4, are rapidly being Gitmo’ed away.
    E.

  263. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    NEWS FOR BUCK STUD
    Swing-state numbers trend up for Obama.
    April 2012
    Obama 47 … Romney 45
    May 2012
    Obama 48 … Romney 42
    June 2012
    Obama 50 … Romney 42
    SOURCE: NBC/Wall Street Journal polls of voters in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

  264. Smokyjoe June 27, 2012 at 6:50 am #

    Sad world, where you cannot even escape to the mountains. Ah, for Aspen in the 1970s!

  265. Smokyjoe June 27, 2012 at 6:52 am #

    Oh, forgot to add the irony of Verizon ads on this site. Well, take their money while the money is still there. Like magic!

  266. Widespreadpanic7 June 27, 2012 at 7:15 am #

    AntoSoak, I notice that character Birkin was a member of the SF Human Rights Commission. Believe it or not, we have a ‘Human Rights Commission’ in our little town here (pop.25,000). It is made up of various do gooders, race hustlers and college professors. When the English first arrived here in 1639 about 500 Algonquin Indians lived along the river. They’re gone, but we have a new kind of Indian now. They have dots on their foreheads and live packed 20-30 to a house. The medical center, built in 1970, brings them in.
    This is still a 90% white town and many families have been here for 8-10 generations. A few years ago the ‘Human Rights Commission’ came up with the bright idea to build a massive billboard next to town hall featuring a bar graph showing the decline of the white population and the rise of the Asian/black/Hispanic population in town. It sounds pretty unbelievable but it is true. The theme was ‘celebrate diversity’. People complained about it and it was finally removed. After that this ‘Human Rights Commission’ concerned itself mostly with events in Darfur and slandering President Bush. That’s about it.
    –WSP7

  267. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    E.
    My sister and I have decided to look into Jill Stein, the only candidate in this country that has it right.
    Nobody has heard anything about her. The corporate media refuses to let anyone know of her existence—that, my friends is the best sign that she’s any good.
    Yep, Obama did a bait and switch on us all. He got rid of his economic team and hired the Clintonistas, you know the folks that got Clinton to smash Glass-Steagall. The guys who “restructured” govt. with the idea that the banks were the government’s client.
    Obama also continued the Republicans like Geithner and Bernanke—hey that was some hopey changey thang and what did they do?
    They printed up $30Trillion to the banks. Obama also has given us trade deals that are not going to create jobs here, but never mind that
    —Romney (Mr. Bain of our existence) is a nightmare for this country!!A real live robot, I refer to as “Making Mr. Right”. We will be very sorry if that one gets in.

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  269. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 8:07 am #

    Asoka,
    Sorry I missed your message addressing me, so I include you in my response to E.

  270. ozone June 27, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    “Ole’ trippticket was one of very few worthy posters out here, and he’s skedaddled a long time now.”
    Just to keep you apprised, you’d find that Tripp agrees with most of JHK’s viewpoints and energy predictions. It’s DUE to his powering-down and constant work that he hardly posts here. (Thought you’d appreciate me clearing that up for ya.)
    Communique finis.

  271. ozone June 27, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    “It” got a response out of you. That would be the entire point. Persuasion is not relevant.
    (I do applaud your contesting this devout crankery, but it’s only designed to pull you off-topic and into an intellectual mosh-pit. …And I do understand that sometimes a “single response post” don’t git ‘er done, but you see where it leads.)

  272. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    MN,
    This may help:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31703.htm
    Divide et impera.
    Just another move on The Biggest Assholes’, “Grand Chessboard”.
    *********
    *********
    **********
    (Just a little space, so it don’t git losted.)

  273. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    E.,
    I’ve consistently voted for “losers” (those who were defeated in the election), and I’ve never been disappointed in my choice. ;o)
    Of course, they’ve never had a chance to try and implement their vision! lol
    But at least my conscience is clear (so far).
    Can’t bring myself to vote for venal toadies out of some manufactured “fear”.

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  275. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    Speaking of the Grand Chessboard
    I am listening to t he best interview I’ve ever heard from Paul Craig Roberts who explains it all to you!!!
    You can’t imagine how huge this is. Although I disagree with supply-side economics and Roberts was one of the founders of that economic theory, the rest of what he says is so very important, it’s about the most realistic image of what is running this disaster on all levels. He doesn’t actually say we did 9/11, but what he does say is that we had to drum up a new enemy for the Military Security complex:
    He discusses how we’re trading places with the third world and that you can’t take the country back by voting: Voting machine has software devised by Repulbicans with no paper trail and the Dems go along with nary a peep.
    He’s a slow talker, but this is an absolute must hear!!!
    http://reasonradionetwork.com/20120525/the-stark-truth-interview-with-paul-craig-roberts

  276. Pucker June 27, 2012 at 9:14 am #

    “Don’t tase me, Bro!”

  277. Pucker June 27, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Did Eleuthro participate in the San Francisco Gay Rights parade last weekend?
    Homosexual Activist and Former Member of SF Human Rights Commission Arrested for Child Porn
    By Amanda Swysgood
    June 26, 2012
    (CNSNews.com) — Police arrested homosexual activist Larry Brinkin — a long-time human rights activist — on Friday in San Francisco for alleged possession of child pornography. Brinkin, 66, retired in 2010 after serving 22 years on the San Francisco Human Rights Commission.

  278. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    Are you having trouble with pesky local by-laws and unions that are making the accommodations for your commode a frustrating experience?
    Design up a currency that will crush them all!
    http://www.gregpalast.com/the-euro-is-a-big-success-no-kidding/#more-6297
    There’s some fine plannin’, and a conspiracy to drool over!
    The Chicago School strikes again. (Sorry, no well-deserved lynchings will be forthcoming, because no one ever hears these names, now do they? Why would that be, Poppets?)

  279. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    …..Meanwhilst, Colorado goes up in a gigantic could of smoke, and not a mountain snow-pack left in sight…

  280. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    CLOUD (Doh!)

  281. ozone June 27, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    Thanks for the link.
    I shall mark it and attend later-ish.
    Sounds “interesting”!

  282. dale June 27, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    Plus he’d like to off the entire US south and anyone else that doesn’t meet his Pol Potish ravings.
    ———————————
    Nicely said

  283. Widespreadpanic7 June 27, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Ibendet, don’t you or your sister get caught drinking one of those contraband, BIG GULP soft drinks on the streets of Manhattan, specially if it exceeds 16 oz. I was wondering, are there police in NYC enforcing that law, like the Islamic police in Saudi Arabia walking around carrying whips, enforcing Moslem strictures on citizens and non citizens like, administering street justice, if you will?
    -Marlin

  284. dale June 27, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    Nice candid shot of Vlad’s spiritual guru.
    http://patrick.net/forum/content/uploads/2012/06/mobile-home-owner-giving-the-bird.png

  285. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Never drank soda I hurt my throat!

  286. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Correction: It hurt my throat. I never actually finished a small bottle of Coca Cola when I was a kid, so as an adult I have no interest in starting a bad-overly sweet habit.

  287. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Marlin,
    in lieu of your police comments I will repost what Ozone or P2C posted for me back in April:
    A gift from a flower to the garden of Finzi-Continis
    Today on a most glorious spring day, I was running my daily laps around Washington Square Park, where I suddenly noticed big crowds of people and cops of every stripe.
    There was a group of 6 cops on motorcycles on the north side of this little park.
    I thought this must be an OWSers special, but alas I was wrong…It was a giant pillow fight to take place and the Cops and EMS were all about.
    I finally had to ask someone what was going on and chose a NY State cop standing with an EMS cop and he went on to say that since 9/11 everything is on high alert. Whenever there’s a crowd this is the kind of coverage that is warranted and there are even plain clothes cops amongst the pillow fighters.
    He went on to say this is becoming a police state and this is just the beginning….(whoa)
    He also said that if you speak your mind in the future they’ll institutionalize you. I said it sounded like we were becoming the former Soviet Union. Remember “The First Circle”–Solzhenitsyn?
    I asked him whether he thought the SCOTUS meets Abu Garib decision to strip search people for small infractions if arrested would lead to, ah…Abu Garib. I mentioned privatization of police and their pensions and he agreed that there’s going to be a lot of misplaced anger. —oh boy.
    He also said its all about greed and look who’s running for Pres.
    He said Obama had to win last time around because the world was furious at W. and Cheney. He said O did nothing for us and can’t do anything because he is told not to.
    –Out of the mouth of cops…(hey all I was doing was asking why so many police!)

  288. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    I posted the ‘grimm fairy tale’ y’day.

  289. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    What about getting on the Board of yr Anti White ‘human rites’ committee???
    Or starting a blog about it?
    Does it have a webpage?
    Far as ‘indians with a dot’, there are so many in LA. way up from 10 years ago. Countless doctors are flown over, according to someone who worked for a
    ‘imported doctors’ testing service, [her term]
    ‘plane loads of smelly indians’.

  290. dale June 27, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    I finally had to ask someone what was going on and chose a NY State cop.
    ————————————–
    Yeah…..beat cops always know what’s going on in the highest circles.

  291. dale June 27, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    ‘plane loads of smelly indians’.
    ———————————–
    I would agree we’ve overdone it with immigration. That being said, I’d turn my back on these “smelly indians”, before most of our natives.

  292. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    Diversity = AntiWhite and yr towns race hustlers
    with their ‘Human Rights Commission’ didnt fool you.
    Yet fools here [Turkle,’stud’] celebrate this
    creature ‘diversity’ [no capitalization needed].

  293. ozone June 27, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    M,
    Ha! Like the cops need MORE shit to carry on their belts.
    However, replacing the truncheon with a cat o’ nine tails might have a decent “deterrent” factor. Cruel and unusual? Not relevant since 9/11. SCOTUS say so.
    Whip it; whip it good!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw
    Give the past a slip…

  294. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    He wasn’t a beat cop. He was State Police, number one, number two a New York Magazine article came out the very next day on how demoralized the cops are in New York. Try to find the issue online.
    I’ve had other discussions with police in the last few years which I will not repeat (worse).
    Maybe you should dismiss what I’m saying so fast.

  295. Rhino June 27, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    Here we go. I hear that the Russkis want Assad the Chinless in power because they want him to pay for the Russian arms he’s buying. No Assad means no money from Syria. I hear that the Iranians want the Alawites in power for their own purposes ie so Syria can continue to be a useful corridor to the fine folks in Hezbollah in Lebanon that the beards in Iran like so much. Don’t know why China wants to get involved in that hornet’s nest. Maybe they too have arms deals and want to get paid.
    I’ve also heard that the Russkis and the Chinese are peeved that Muammar is dead and gone and only because NATO intervened. And they don’t want NATO sticking its muzzles into Syria like they did with Libya. So this is a show of deterent force.

  296. ozone June 27, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    “Don’t know why China wants to get involved in that hornet’s nest.” -R.
    Mmmmm, I think it’s a bit deeper and more long-range than gettin’ paid for some hardware.
    Look at the energy sitch and a larger picture begins to emerge. (It’s like a JHK scenario writ in the real world! How could that be?)

  297. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    O, that’s amusing..
    ——-
    Apologies for typos today:
    Maybe you shouldn’t dismiss what I’m saying so fast.
    I just saw a show on CNBC about multitasking and how people perceive things the wrong way–so what do I do?
    Multitask, of course.
    that’s it for now.

  298. Eleuthero June 27, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    You’re right, LB … the rehiring of the “Clintonistas” and all these Republicans just told us that Obama, rather than being some force for substantive change, was only going to TWEAK past failed policies of both Bush and Clinton. He veritably telegraphed it to us.
    Romney is a Manchurian Candidate trying half-heartedly to pose as a person who gives a shit about the American people. He’s just a dutiful Republican cyborg.
    Stein is the only person who removes some shame from this upcoming Presidential election.
    E.

  299. Rhino June 27, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    Maybe you’re right. But if I was the Chinese I’d keep it simple. Just make sure I send the Iranian beards in power boatloads of the finer things in life like the best liquor, the best and purest cocaine and heroin for their own use or for sale, the best looking silky skinned “escorts” etc just to make sure the flow of oil keeps going to China. Has to be an easier way than to send warships etc. Mind you maybe the Chinese are looking to keep their restless military occupied. It’s a drag doing all that training and never putting it to use.
    I also heard that the Saudis and other oil kingdoms are using Turkey as a staging point for funnelling arms and other aid to Syrian rebels. This may explain the shooting down of that Turkish jet ie the Syrians are getting mighty annoyed and what better way to show it than to shoot down a jet that will cost a hundred million bucks or so to replace.

  300. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Sounds like an Oath Keeper. They’re one of the few bright spots in the present darkness.
    I’ve heard the same: there is a division between the Elite – the CFR and Bilderbergers vs the Zionist Neo Cons. Brezinski has said that Israel has put World Goverment back 30 years. It’s an awkward place for the Jews who are well represented in the World Goverment group.
    I’m happy that you have fully confessed your sin. In honor of this, and in light of Romney and Ron Paul’s betrayal, I’m going to cast a protest vote for “Jill” too. She’s an abominable mutlicultist, but she’s right about some things. But how much are the Greens being infiltrated by the Democrat Left? In any case, I’ll vote for her this time.

  301. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    How long are you going to deny the Conspiracy? Are you going to be the last to know? Remember, the Founding Fathers were conspirators and believed in conspiracies.

  302. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Yes Osho was a great Yogi before he fell. He could give shaktipat – so what? He was headed for a Fall even then. Energy transmission is no proof of morality but only yogic attainment. Read the Bhagavatam: many of the bad guys were great yogis.

  303. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    Are you trying to say that Jews didn’t control much of the American Slave Trade? Why do you hate the Truth so much?
    You don’t have to like the Messenger (me) but you are using your hatred for me to obfuscate the Truth I am telling. A reminder: ad hominem attacks are a logical fallacy – they do not disprove anything.

  304. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Remember David Brooks’ piece in the NY Times about how he knew Obama would be a great president by the crease in his pants?
    Maybe I could marry your sister and become your bother in law. Is she free? How attractive on a scale of 1 to 10?

  305. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    Read the expose books, he was a druggie, one quotes him as saying ‘its great to use laughing gas with my
    inner circle, hang loose and not pretend to be enlightened’ !!!!!
    He of the million dollar wrist watch.

  306. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Remember what Jim said almost 10 years ago ‘the remaining oil will be contested by every nation’
    Or more correctly by the more powerful military states. Odd that JHK did not mention China at all
    in his TLE.

  307. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    You are a closet racist – as are the vast majority of liberals. Come out and let your hair down girl.

  308. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Read that one by his bodyguard. He fell to the very bottom but remember – the same guy talked of the bliss and energy he could give or could at one point at least.
    It was a Cult but of how class people: engineers, scientists, hippy hedonists, etc. The kind that didn’t fit the ordinary Cultist profile. They wouldn’t have joined if he didn’t have something real to give….
    He did have a very fine mind but it was more than just verbal bullshit. Same with Da – a great yogi who came out to teach before he had finished purifying himself.

  309. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    That should be “high class people” not how class.

  310. welles June 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Just to keep you apprised, you’d find that Tripp agrees with most of JHK’s viewpoints and energy predictions. It’s DUE to his powering-down and constant work that he hardly posts here.
    With the difference that JHK regularly jets off to snob-laden ‘techno-narcissistic’ gatherings he allegedly despises, while….decrying a carbon-heavy lifestyle and ‘happy motoring’, which he only sees his ‘inferiors’ (mostly southern whites) as committing.
    JHK’s a tissue-thin wannabe effete, that’s why he hangs around the buffet tables at Aspen with the billionaire technocrati he allegedly despises.
    JHK only has viewpoints, unlike Trippticket his ‘activism’ stops short of picking up anything heavier than a latte.
    i give him a few kudos for planting a small number of fruit trees.
    peace peaceniks

  311. Stoic June 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    “The villas of the Wall Street and Hollywood kingpins that decorate the ridge lines above town give off a desolate vibe of futility…”
    At first I read “fatuity” but your word works, too.

  312. anti soak June 27, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Her term not mine….She ‘played patient’ at ECFMG in ElSegundo…that employs 200 people to get Indian MDs thru the licensing here.
    It has several locations…200 employees at 1 location!

  313. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Glad you finally admit that America’s first Black President has been a disaster. Perhaps even a war criminal as Jimma Carter insinuates.

  314. DeeJones June 27, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    Ah, looks like the same-ol-same-ol. Vlad yapping like the neighbors chihuahua. Oh well…
    Here is something interesting for you-
    “If you were Planning to Conquer the World”… The Dogs of War are Barking behind Closed Doors
    by Robert Bridge
    If you were planning to conquer the world, or at least a broad swath of it, the war would necessarily start at home. After all, no general worth his salt would rush into battle with his rear exposed. You’d have to muzzle the media, severely curtail political choice and dissent, while preaching to the world about democracy and human rights to cover your tracks. You’d have to construct the mother of all propaganda machines, which proclaims over every available wavelength that it’s the best darn civilization since Atlantis sunk to its watery grave thousands of years ago.
    What we are left with after the smoke has cleared bears no resemblance to a classic, text-book democracy. What we are left with is an obese, drug-addled Burlesque Empire, bursting at the seams with electronic circuses, cocaine and corn puffs, physically and mentally incapable of finding the remote control when the scenes of war become too unappetizing.
    Global Research (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31547)
    Later dudes & dudettes
    Dee

  315. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Yes Osho was a great Yogi before he fell. He could give shaktipat – so what?
    Osho was just an ordinary human being. He never claimed to be anything but an ordinary human being. The ego is impressed by the “extraordinary,” things like walking on water, shaktipat, doing miracles, and all kinds of ridiculous religious hocus pocus.
    I’m just a friend. And anybody who wants to walk few steps with me on the path is welcome, and whenever he wants to depart he’s absolutely free.

  316. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    Glad you are going to make a protest vote for Jill Stein. I know that must be difficult for you being that she is multiculti, a woman, a leftist and a Jew. Thank you for your vote. Together we can register a sizable protest against Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

  317. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Yes, reminds me of the time Osho was asked by the press about caring for the poor. He replied that the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. were all very concerned with the poor, so he intended to be a guru to the rich. Osho had simple tastes. He simply liked the best of everything.

  318. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    CORRECTION
    I’m just a friend. And anybody who wants to walk a few steps with me on the path is welcome, and whenever he wants to depart he’s absolutely free. — Osho
    And after getting their shaktipat kicks, and leave, they are free to write “exposes” with all kinds of imaginary dialog for the gullible to believe.

  319. 7252nrqc58 June 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

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  320. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Well, tomorrow is supposed to be the day SCOTUS rules on health care. In all the sound and fury over the Supreme Court’s health care ruling, the simple truth is being lost:
    We know how to provide affordable health care for every American. There is a proven solution — improved “Medicare for All” (or single-payer health insurance). It’s working in nation after nation around the world. It is the only fiscally responsible way out of the health care mess. And it’s not unconstitutional.
    When President Obama slammed the door in the face of single-payer health care advocates, and abandoned the “public option”, it seemed that we were doomed to debating slight variations on the failing status quo.
    But in the wake of the Obamacare/Romneycare crackup, we have an incredible opportunity to reframe the health care debate by injecting a long-time advocate for Medicare-for-All (single-payer) into the presidential dialogue.
    Jill Stein, a physician from Massachusetts and Green Party candidate for President, is a powerful voice for universal, affordable health care, and we need to make sure she is heard.
    Go into the voting booth on November 6 and vote for a change in direction instead of more of the same.

  321. Tark June 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    “exposes”
    Correction: exposee’

  322. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Tark, my spelling was correct according to Wikipedia, which Prog4Spam says is reliable and does not contain any errors he is aware of.
    Wikipedia exposé (plural exposés)
    Although my spelling was correct, I did leave off the tilde. My apologies.

  323. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Although my spelling was correct, I did leave off the accent mark. My apologies.
    My Spanish is contaminating my English!

  324. Tark June 27, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    `~.__.~`
    I have major doubts that a cop would even talk to you or me or anybodee at length, much less spill those kinds of opinions.
    Most of them are as cold as ice, and may actually agree with the changes that have been made and will be made in this country. After all, it gives them a lot more control.

  325. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    Indeed Asoka,
    re: healthcare.
    How ironic it is that the dems are fighting for a republican healthcare bill that they are rejected only because the dems crafted it.
    Oh and because they’re not interested in doing anything about healthcare anymore.
    It’s off the table believe me.
    The Borghead says: No taxes for the rich, no regulations. You can buy healthcare from another state if you want.

  326. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Tark, the police are not monolithic. Some are hardline and, as you say, “cold as ice” … but others realize they are part of the 99% and will not be obeying any illegal orders to act against the 99%. Combine those with the Oathkeepers and you have a sizable part of public security forces who do not just obey orders in a kneejerk fashion.

  327. Tark June 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    …Then again, it depends on what you look like. You’re a woman, I think, so maybe he liked your bod-ay/boobs. You were jogging too so…..

  328. Hammering Truth June 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    This is America and as we all know, any problem can be fixed if we throw enough money at it. Helicopter Ben is leaving the pad as we speak: http://youtu.be/wZ7hvk7aCtg

  329. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    You can buy healthcare from another state if you want.
    The only state I know of which has actually taken advantage of the legal provision to reject Obamacare, if an adequate substitute is provided, is Vermont. I’m sure Vermont will have a great health insurance plan in place in 2014.
    I have lived in Vermont and it is too cold in the winter. We should not have to move to Vermont to get decent quality medical care.

  330. DeeJones June 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    ” This may explain the shooting down of that Turkish jet ie the Syrians are getting mighty annoyed and what better way to show it than to shoot down a jet that will cost a hundred million bucks or so to replace.”
    It was a ’60s era F4.
    😉

  331. Tark June 27, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Sorry, but most people seem to be very much the same in the way they think, and the attitudes they believe are the ‘proper’ ones to have. The police think of themselves as a brotherhood-gang is more like it-so the police will be nearly one solid block most of the time.
    They are their own little society.

  332. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    The police think of themselves as a brotherhood-gang is more like it-so the police will be nearly one solid block most of the time. They are their own little society.
    If that is true, then Romney’s position makes more sense:
    Obama says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.
    Romney promises to cut back on police and firefighters, eliminate police, eliminate firefighters, take them off the street, off their watch, take away their pensions, get them out of their unions … to save taxpayers money.

  333. dale June 27, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Maybe you should dismiss what I’m saying so fast.
    ————————————
    Chill….I gave you an opportunity to clarify.

  334. dale June 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    What we are left with is an obese, drug-addled Burlesque Empire, bursting at the seams with electronic circuses, cocaine and corn puffs, physically and mentally incapable of finding the remote control when the scenes of war become too unappetizing.
    —————————–
    That’s the kinda hyperbole that makes Jimmy jealous. Was that your stuff or the Bridges guy? couldn’t tell by how you posted.

  335. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Yes Osho was a great Yogi before he fell. He could give shaktipat – so what?
    ===============
    I don’t know Hindi but from the way the sentence reads I assume shaktipat means “a shit” right? in which case let me remind you for the hundredth time, the sentence should read “He couldn’t give shaktipat.”

  336. dale June 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    Sorry to throw “chihuahua boy” the bone on ya. My only point was Osho’s henchmen hurt and or intimidated a lot of people, gives one cause to to question his motives and his teachings.

  337. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    Excuse me, I need to step away from my ‘puter for a minute…I have to go take shaktipat.

  338. dale June 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Yes Osho was a great Yogi before he fell. He could give shaktipat – so what?
    ===============
    I don’t know Hindi but from the way the sentence reads I assume shaktipat means “a shit” right? in which case let me remind you for the hundredth time, the sentence should read “He couldn’t give shaktipat.
    —————————–
    Either a great little joke, or Koo in his rush to correct everyone, doesn’t have enough information to put his corrections in context, hilarious.

  339. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    P.S. The google Hindi translator says shaktipat means #2.

  340. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Dale, it’s Kyoo, not Koo.

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  342. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    No problem, dale.
    Do you use the same criteria to disqualify others? Some Buddhists mess up, so you disqualify Buddha? Some Christians mess up, so you disqualify Christ? A student of Alan Wallace does something questionable (or criminal), so you disqualify Wallace?
    Makes no sense to me to downgrade the teacher/ guru/ etc. for the actions of some mentally deranged followers who perhaps let power go their heads or otherwise made bad choices.
    I would rather go directly to the source, and evaluate the message given directly from the source, independently of how others have interpreted or misinterpreted said message.
    Do you know what kind of car Einstein drove or what kind of watch he wore or whether his lab assistant had a criminal record? Does any of that make any difference to his theory of relativity? Do those kinds of personal choices or personal associations invalidate Einstein’s contributions to humanity?

  343. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Actually, it’s #3 … as in third eye.
    I love how you are enjoying playing with a new word, even though you have no full understanding of what the word means.
    You are just innocently playing with the word. Beautiful, Q.! Never lose that quality of innocence and playfulness.

  344. dale June 27, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    There you go with the questions again…..:)
    Some Buddhists mess up, so you disqualify Buddha? Some Christians mess up, so you disqualify Christ?
    ——————————
    I donno…..is Osho, Buddha or Christ? If Alan’s organization was shown to be intimidating and issuing death threats, yes, I would drop him faster than the last twelve women who met Vald.
    Maybe Osho was the second coming and maybe I don’t give shaktipat, but I’d steer clear of any teacher with a bunch of followers like that guy had.

  345. trippticket June 27, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    A summer solstice photo tour of Small Batch Garden (and our local insanity) in the beautiful north Georgia Mountains for your enjoyment:
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2012/06/summer-solstice-photo-tour-of-homestead.html
    Cheers,
    Tripp

  346. dale June 27, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    tripp,
    congratulations, hope you find what you are looking for, wherever you find it.

  347. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    I’d steer clear of any teacher with a bunch of followers like that guy had.
    We kind of agree. I dropped out because I could not go along with the authoritarian ways of Sheela. I don’t take orders well and did not like her vibe. I felt it best to leave and Osho values freedom of movement.
    Perhaps you are unaware that Osho himself called authorities to investigate Sheela as soon as he found out what she what doing.
    When Sheela and her gang of criminals fled, I returned and was welcomed back by Osho.

    September 14, 1985: Osho’s personal secretary Ma Anand Sheela and several members of the commune’s management suddenly leave, and a whole pattern of illegal acts they have committed – including poisoning, arson, wiretapping, and attempted murder – are exposed. Osho invites law enforcement officials to investigate Sheela’s crimes.

  348. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    Asoka,
    I was listing the 3 ideas of the Republicans. The idea of buying insurance across state lines for more competitive prices is what I was referring to.
    That’s really the only thing I got out of the debates when healthcare was the top issue.
    Tomorrow it will be the hot issue again…

  349. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    Being There, isn’t “buying insurance across state lines” in and of itself interstate commerce which the federal government can regulate? Oh well, we’ll just have to wait and see.
    If the SCOTUS rules against Obamacare, it will be back to health insurance companies discriminating against the sick and the old and making women pay higher premiums than men, and the number of people who would gain health insurance coverage would be millions fewer.

  350. BeingThere June 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    Tark
    I, the great unwashed.
    Re: police talking to you or I?
    I’ve always talked to cops to get their opinion. I’m curious how they see us, since they’re in the middle between the ownership power bunch and the rest of the great unwashed.
    I find if you treat people well they’ll treat you the same–
    I guess this goes back to the 60’s anti-war demonstrations. In fact, I found they were pretty open.
    Could it be girls have more fun?

  351. JonathanSS June 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    Great pictures! Thanks for sharing.

  352. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    The police think of themselves as a brotherhood -gang is more like it- so the police will be nearly one solid block most of the time.
    Yeah, but we are not talking about “most of the time” when we are talking post-collapse scenarios.
    To get an idea, consider the New Orleans Police Dept. which had 1,742 commissioned police officers pre-Katrina. As soon as things got rough they did not stick together as a block. Over 200 of those officers deserted the city during the storm. And that was just a hurricane. What do you think would happen if a nuclear device exploded in an urban area and high radiation levels were everywhere? I don’t think we can count on the police to be there protecting the citizenry. They are going to run and protect themselves.

  353. turkle June 27, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Hey all. Nice discussion going on this week. I was just looking at The Archdruid Report which has a real humdinger of a post called “Collapse Now and Avoid the Rush.” Good reading for the doomer minded.
    I promise to get my mind right. No more God talk here, not because it isn’t an interesting discussion, but because it is generally off topic. Though I realize by bringing this up in the first place, I’ve broken my own rule already this week, and I’ve been highly verbose on this topic in the past (uh hem). So blame me. I’ll be your scapegoat.
    I will promise not to blast you with my atheist blow horn (right in your face) if you will give me the same courtesy as regards the existence and power of ancient sky gods. I always win those religious discussions anyways (wink wink).
    Collapse may take from one to three centuries to unfold. It is unreasonable to think that one day, you’ll go to bed, and the next day, the entire world will have gone Mad Max overnight. It won’t necessarily go down like this.
    Rome didn’t fall in a day. Actually there were people several hundred years after the historical designation for this event that referred to themselves as Romans. Perhaps hundreds of years from now there will be people calling themselves Americans, but in actuality their old America will have disappeared without them knowing about it.
    Deterioration and breakdown will proceed at different rates in various places. You can see a foreshadowing of the future in Africa’s current general problems, like energy shortages, lack of enough cropland, massive poverty, unchecked (sometimes atavistic) disease epidemics, and “insecurity” or a state of low grade warfare in many places.
    There’s an interesting essay called “The Coming Anarchy” about what the future will look like for the poorer peoples of the world without access to resources, and it isn’t that pretty. And it isn’t just about Africa. I encourage you to read it.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/02/the-coming-anarchy/4670/
    We will tend to feel the ongoing collapse as a series of personal circumstances. A homeless person lives in a state that you, coming from a warm suburban house with all the amenities (let’s just say), would consider to be like that of collapse. Or at least its most people’s idea of rock bottom. Scrounging through garbage cans, sleeping under freeway overpasses, and having no home is beyond the paradigm of most Americans. When more have to live like this because their conventional society is falling apart, it will start to look like more like a collapse here or, as JHK puts it, a long emergency.
    As gasoline prices here and everywhere rise, there is going to be no way to hold together the sprawling, car and truck-based infrastructure of American in its current gargantuan and unsustainable form. The energy and logistical requirements to hold this system together become insurmountable once the era of cheap gas is over. Already, the interstate highway system is falling into disrepair. Many bridges and other infrastructure are old and on the verge of failing. If America can’t maintain its highways, and we have the highest energy use per capita in the world, how will other countries with far lower per person access to petroleum resources, be able to do the same?
    I see larger societies like America splintering into smaller semi-independent encampments, tribes, and towns that are much more concerned about personal survival, i.e. having a secure place to stay with enough food and water. The needs of national and political entities will eventually fade simply out of not being relevant at the ground level. Even if a federal structure survives that claims to control the present territory of the US, its actual control may be limited. So much depends on cars and other forms of mobile transport that when these become a lot more expensive or even unavailable, the ability to control large political areas will deteriorate considerably.
    At the national level, most of the wars and fights that will go on throughout the globe as oil-based civilization goes through its death throes will be blamed on politics. But the reality will be an always shrinking energy pie with an endlessly growing demand. This is likely to play out like a vicious game of musical chairs. Certain countries will be left out of what they consider their fair share of the energy pie, and they will try to take it by force.
    This is pretty much already happening right here in the US. In Iraq, there was a war blamed on WMDs but it was really about America seizing that country’s petroleum reserves for the international oil companies. It was, in other words, simply a naked resource grab. Our war in Afghanistan is supposed to be about fighting the Taliban, but in reality, it is a key piece of territory for pipeline development and other energy and resource projects. Several massive multinational companies like Unocal have their eyes on that region of the world.
    Dick Cheney said something about the American way of life being non-negotiable, and while others might scoff at this arrogant idea, it seems many cultural, ethnic, and religious groups feel the same way about their own. Many Christians and Muslims consider their way of life non-negotiable, for instance, and this covers a vast swatch of the total human population.
    This clash of inflexible belief systems will exacerbate energy problems. In other words, instead of driving a lot less or using more fuel efficient and smaller cars, changes in their way of life, Americans would really just rather go to war and get the oil rather than change how they do things. I have a feeling this can only last so long as there are actually oil reserves worth seizing. What happens after that? Then we will really have to change. But it isn’t going to be some nice transition to a smaller house with a bigger garden and a couple of cruiser bikes for most people. Nope. Not in the long term.
    There will be a lot of destitute and transient people who will not know how to take care of themselves much less how to negotiate the radically different paradigms and realities of the post-exuberant age. As that population increases over time to encompass an ever growing segment of the population, questions like “When will the collapse happen?” will start to seem a bit redundant.

  354. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    I listened to PCR. He says we are becoming a third world nation because the Soviet Union collapsed and the internet appeared (!), not because of Reagan’s economic policies.
    Reagan significantly increased public expenditures, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 to $393.1 billion in 1988. This was before the internet got going! The internet really didn’t become a factor until long after Reagan was gone, in 1994 when HTML made the Web possible. How can PCR blame the internet?
    Under Reagan’s economic policies the top marginal individual income tax rate fell from 70.1% to 28.4% and the USA went from being the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation. This was not due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It due to Reagan wanting to deregulate and give businessmen more money, by lowering their taxes and sending the nation into debt, you know, so the wealth would “trickle down” to us poor folk.
    If you were around in the 1980s, you know how we felt like Reagan brought on the Third World. In 1983 I was scrambling with part time jobs. The unemployment rate was 10.8% nationally, and higher in my area. Reagan also never raised the minimum wage, so, not being bankers and investors, we suffered on very little income thanks to Reagan.
    Some other things PCR conveniently ignores:
    Under Reagan privately held federal debt increased from 22% to 38% of GDP, despite a long peacetime expansion.
    Under Reagan we had the savings and loan crisis which led to an additional debt of about $125 billion due to the bailout payoffs.
    Under Reagan, trade barriers increased drastically – the share of U.S. imports subject to trade restrictions increased from 12% in 1980 to 23% in 1988.
    I know the guy worked for Reagan, but does PCR have to continue to be a Reagan apologist? PCR should be Haitian. His voodoo economics that Reagan wanted implemented damaged the USA.
    “It was kind of hard to punish people who were seen as fighting communism.” — PCR
    Yep, Reagan spend the country into bankruptcy, but he convinced everyone we were fighting against an enemy, so Reagan could violate laws right and left and get away with it. PCR ignores Reagan’s illegal acts (Iran-contra) which should have led to Reagan’s impeachment. Instead PCR focuses on criticizing Bush and Obama and the neo-Cons.

  355. turkle June 27, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    Nice shrooms dude. Thems look tasty.

  356. turkle June 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Nice rebuttal there, soka. You know stuff.

  357. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    Thanks, Turkle, but it was just coming through me, a message from the god-inspired Wikipedia.
    Just kidding! There is no god. We are all gods.
    As Stewart Brand said: We are as gods and had better get good at it. (paraphrased) Little comfort if you think about the Judea-Christian god who created the world, messed up, then decided, like Romney, to Etch-a-Sketch it away, with a big flood. Like us, even the mainstream gods are fallible. Sorry, didn’t mean to get back onto gods.
    In defense of Stewart Brand, who is on topic in this week’s JHK post, future nuclear power from Thorium would avoid the nuclear problems from uranium. Thorium is plentiful, cheap, does not leave behind a radioactive waste, etc.
    From Wikipedia: (which Prog4Spam says is reliable)
    ** Weapons-grade fissionable material (233U) is harder to retrieve safely and clandestinely from a thorium reactor;
    ** Thorium produces 10 to 10,000 times less long-lived radioactive waste;
    ** The fissionable thorium cycle uses 100% of the isotope as coming out of the ground, which does not require enrichment, whereas the fissile uranium cycle depends on only the 0.7% fissile U-235 of the natural uranium. The same cycle could also use the fissionable U-238 component of the natural uranium, and also contained in the depleted reactor fuel;
    ** Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear chain reaction without priming so fission stops by default.

  358. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    Q., there is work for you correcting errors in Wikipedia. For example, this that I copy/pasted directly from Wikipedia is full of errors, and no one has jumped in to correct them:

    The fissionable thorium cycle uses 100% of the isotope as coming out of the ground, which does not require enrichment, whereas the fissile uranium cycle depends on only the 0.7% fissile U-235 of the natural uranium. The same cycle could also use the fissionable U-238 component of the natural uranium, and also contained in the depleted reactor fuel

    It is fun to correct and improve Wikipedia. There are more errors in Wikipedia than you can shake a stick at.
    The frustrating part is that someone can come along and “correct” your “corrections” and so on and so forth … all of which makes Wikipedia an extremely untrustworthy source, in spite of what Prog4Spam says.

  359. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    ,”Many Christians and Muslims consider their way of life non-negotiable, for instance and this covers a vast swatch of the total human population.”
    I gots to point to a tickler here. (Mind you, I’m not compulsively disagreeing.)
    As much as I would enjoy “ways of life” to be as whimsical as picking out matching drapes or properly chromatic carpeting, I think you were going for “swath” here.
    (It was funny though, so thanks for that! ;o)

  360. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    Swatch here, as Turkle is using it, indicates variety. It works better than swath.
    swatch/swäCH/
    Noun:
    A sample, esp. of fabric.
    A collection of such samples, esp. in the form of a book.

    swath/swäTH/
    Noun:
    A row or line of grass, grain, or other crop as it lies when mown or reaped.
    A strip left clear by the passage of a mowing machine or scythe.

  361. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    One picking of the lousy nit, I think.
    No, the Roman Empire did not collapse in a day.
    This ain’t no Rome, and The Collapse will be televised, big media or no. Before the intertubes get shut down (due to their infotainment-y content), word will get out that enough of the shit has hit the fan for the world-as-we’ve-gotten-well-used-to has fuggin’ evaporated. That will be much sooner than you postulate (my personal bet), so you’ll be quite unprepared to make a new “way” for sustaining yourself, as you think you’ve got the rest of the century/lifetime (whichever comes first) to “work things out”.
    Go right ahead; place your bets in that direction. In fact, I encourage that for all that think there’s “plenty of time, no worries”. Now, guess why. WSP and I are “closer” than you might speculate on many things…

  362. ozone June 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    L’kay,
    As always, your point is mislaid.
    Going right back to ignoring you, as you’ve fucked up by dint of your grand assumptions once again.
    There’s a HUGE difference in the import/impact of these meanings IN CONTEXT; if you don’t get that, you don’t get much. (I’ll go with the latter and get back to “other things”, like checking for cuticle damage.)

  363. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    Now, guess why.
    I know, I know!
    It’s because you want the “plenty of time, no worries” folks to shut the fuck up and die.
    You despise them. You think collapse is some kind of Darwinian survival of the fittest culling of the herd. You are wrong.
    But you are also right about this not being Roman times. We have so much more to rely upon than the Romans, and human nature has changed, so we will avoid collapse completely.
    I have been pointing this out for seven years on this blog, and still you harbor fantasies of mass extinction. And still you say things like “That will be much sooner than you postulate (my personal bet)…” betraying a secret desire.
    All your short event horizon timelines over the years have proven wrong. Yet you continue to be a true believer.

  364. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    this covers a vast swatch of the total human population.
    =========
    A swatch is by definition a small sample so “vast” is an inappropriate modifier. The word you’re looking for is swath.
    Actually, a swath can be wide but not really vast since vastness would make a swath lose its identity as a path through some larger area.
    How about a vast portion?

  365. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    ROCKY MOUNTAIN HIGH
    Part of the CFN liturgy is that “human nature” does not change, has not changed. But human nature has changed over time.
    For example, the link between sex and childbirth has been shattered forever. That’s a pretty major change right there. It blows a lot of our traditional beliefs and moral codes right out of the water, which may be why it freaks out the Pope. Recreational sex!
    As recently as a century ago, half of all children died before the age of five, the average woman died in childbirth in her late 30s, and the average man croaked due to some infectious disease in his 40s. Wow, that’s sure changed! And if doubling something’s effective lifespan doesn’t count as a “change in its nature”, I don’t know what does.
    I can hop into a motor vehicle, transform myself into a what is essentially a cyborg, capable of traveling farther in ten minutes than most humans ever traveled in their entire lives.
    We can fly! Yeah, some of those old saints and prophets claimed they could float around a bit when no one else was watching, but I can set up a glider, hop off a mountain, and do the real thing.
    You can’t get lost anymore. With a cheap little box, you can know exactly where you are, forever.
    We can create clones, transplant organs, extend our lifespan, and modify our genome. Prehistoric peoples … not so much.
    We can have thoughts, concepts, and developmental experiences that would have been impossible for our ancestors even to imagine, let alone have. This has impacted our attitudes, culture, even the cognitive development of our living brains. That is change in human nature.

  366. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    Q., there is work for you correcting errors in Wikipedia.
    ===========
    That paragraph you quoted is a doozy of poor sentence structure but…
    no thanks, I’ve got my hands full with CFN.
    And by the way, I disagree with your rationale for swatch. See above.

  367. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    And by the way, I disagree with your rationale for swatch. See above.
    ==============
    You don’t really disagree. Your suggestion was “vast portion.”
    Portion is a part, a smaller unit. Vast is large, so vast is really not an adequate modifier for portion.
    However, swatch is a sample. A vast swatch is a large sample. Sample sizes can be large. I think that is what Turkle was getting at. Since he did say “of the total human population” he was referring to a swatch, not the total population.
    Swath is not correct because a swatch does not get a heterogeneous sample. A swath, by definition, is a smaller homogeneous sample, and is not “vast.”
    What was your first language, Q.?

  368. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    Swath is not correct because a ^swath^ does not get a heterogeneous sample.

  369. turkle June 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    Thanks for the correction, editor-in-chief.
    You’re right. Swatches aren’t large. They can fit in your pocket and come in various colors. Swath would be fine. Portion is good too. Were you a HS English teacher in a previous life, Q? Your tendency pick a few mistakes or mistypes out of a whole long post is quite remarkable.
    Anywho, yeah, the one thing I wrote that I immediately had second thoughts upon in that long post about collapse was the time scale, as a century or three is too long. The exact timing wasn’t the point, just that these things take some time to unfold.

  370. welles June 27, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    I encourage that for all that think there’s “plenty of time, no worries”. Now, guess why. WSP and I are “closer” than you might speculate on many things…
    You have no inkling as to how close any supposed ‘end events’ are, just your own teener-like desire for campy Steven Spielbergesque apocalypse.
    The world was magnitudes worse off in past epochs.
    Really, grow up.
    Laughable.
    peace peaceniks

  371. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Yes, we’re both beautiful people. As you know, attraction and aversion are just opposite sides of the same coin. I’m going against my prejudice against Jill as Jewish Liberal and you aginst your prejudice for Obama as a fellow Black.
    Ditto your statement to Kyoo. One of Alan Watt’s earliest memories was playing with a little piece his own shit. His father took it from him, looked at it, and then gave it back to him.

  372. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Yeah look how we got to watch the demolition of Reginald Denny. No doubt you were cheering wildly with the bruthas.

  373. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    the one thing I wrote that I immediately had second thoughts upon in that long post about collapse was the time scale
    ============
    Short of some black swan catalyst I believe collapse will play out over at least a century. It certainly won’t happen in the short time frame depicted in World Made by Hand and its sequel, The Witch of Hebron.
    Nevertheless, I don’t fault JHK for cramming it all into the very near future as he has for what are, I believe, artistic reasons.
    And, BTW, I withdraw my remark to Asoka that “I disagree with your rationale for swatch.” Having since given more thought to both of his posts on the subject I now conclude he is totally full of shit and contrary for the sake of contrariness which, as we all know, is Asoka’s shtick.

  374. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    The power of the Woman is formidable, is it not? And Be is obviously confident of her own charms.
    The Maharishi seduced Mia Farrow? Or did she seduce him because of his power and influence? Who can say? But he was the elder and a monk, so even if the latter, he is more to blame.
    He liked blondes – who can blame him in that? I don’t know about the song. Maybe it was for Sadie the follow of Charles Manson.

  375. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    A swath also has a certain vague, random or uncalculated connotation. No exact measurment can be a swath.
    Isn’t a swatch a kind of watch? Or just the band?

  376. Buck Stud June 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    I found this to be a very interesting article but I’m not quite sure what to think because the author claims the following:
    “The discovery has rocked scientists around the world. Will they rush to investigate it? No, they’re more likely to studiously ignore it. ”
    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2301/051/Giant_Crystal_Pyramid_Discovered_In_Bermuda_Triangle.html

  377. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    A military nerd trapped in a woman’s body – Dee my heart goes out to you.

  378. asoka.. June 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    If swatch had been capitalized, then I would still not agree with you, as a Swatch is a wristwatch, and the adjective vast would still not be appropriate.
    I’m just throwing back your nit-wit nitpicking, which now ozone is also doing. It is as much a time-wasting schtick (an acceptable variant spelling of shtick) as my schtick.
    By the way, I do not agree completely that my schtick is being contrary, though a certain element of contrariness comes into play from time to time.
    Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large and contain multitudes … including contrary positions. 🙂

  379. Vlad Krandz June 27, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    Quite true. Scientists value their own careers, tenure, funding, standing with other scientists and associations, etc. All of this is natural but none of it has anything to do with truth. It has gotten to the point where the structure is crushing the spirit of investigaion. So when they found a Caucasian skeleton that was older than Indian ones – insted of studying it they buried it by giving it to the local tribe who claimed it was one of their’s, which it obviously wasn’t. Neither the Indians nor the Anthropologists want to know the Truth about this. There’s just to much to lose.

  380. Kyooshtik June 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    There’s just to much to lose.
    =============
    too ;0)

  381. turkle June 28, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Here’s a big long post from Dmitri Orlov on this topic.
    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html
    He thinks about this a lot more than me. Now I’m more convinced of a faster time scale.

  382. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    What does faster time scale mean?
    Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries?
    In geologic time those are all fast time scales.

  383. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    “…predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen.” — Dmitri Orlov, blowing smoke
    No, it’s not. Dmitri gives the example of a deteriorating bridge, losing concrete chunks every year from age and use. He cannot say when it will collapse, but he can say with certainty that it is going to collapse someday.
    Can no one else here see the fallacy in that thinking?

  384. Pucker June 28, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    Unbelievable! Isn’t Obama a big Brinkin supporter?
    “San Francisco police have arrested veteran gay rights advocate Larry Brinkin ……………..
    Brinkin, 66, who worked for the San Francisco Human Rights Commission before his retirement in 2010, was taken into custody Friday night. He spent the night in jail before he was released on bail, according to a spokeswoman for the sheriff’s department.
    The district attorney’s office will decide Tuesday whether to file charges. ……………………………………………
    Police say that Brinkin had pornographic images, some that appear to show children as young as 1 and 2 or 3 years old being sodomized………………………………………………………………………………..

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  386. Eleuthero June 28, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    Vlad said:
    I’m happy that you have fully confessed your sin. In honor of this, and in light of Romney and Ron Paul’s betrayal, I’m going to cast a protest vote for “Jill” too. She’s an abominable mutlicultist, but she’s right about some things. But how much are the Greens being infiltrated by the Democrat Left? In any case, I’ll vote for her this time.
    ************************************************************
    I, too, have to swallow my pride as regards Ms. Stein’s rather hackneyed multiculturalism. However, we are living at a time when the dominant middle-class culture in the USA is dying on the vine. At such catastrophic times, we have to prioritize our issues. For me, this means putting a stop to “endless war for endless peace” and forcefully changing the entire financial sector, dictatorially if need be.
    This is an exceptional time in US and world history and there are plenty of law-abiding, formerly-middle-class whites who probably now feel like galley slaves. At such exceptional times, we have to circle the wagons to kill the largest demons and worry about the smaller ones later.
    E.

  387. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 4:06 am #

    More news for your guy, Buck Stud:
    Romney trails the president, albeit narrowly, in the RCP Average. This puts Obama in a better position than Al Gore, who trailed George W. Bush by four points in Gallup in June. It puts Obama in a better position than Bill Clinton in 1992, who trailed George H.W. Bush by six points in June. It puts Obama in a better position than Bush 41 in 1988, who trailed Michael Dukakis by nine points in June, and Ronald Reagan, who trailed Jimmy Carter by a pair in 1980.

  388. 8man June 28, 2012 at 6:16 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178031
    The Punishment Mode
    The same set of processes that made the money accumulate and then be frozen into real estate, in other words, the same set of jobs, interactions, exchanges, social interactions and exchanges and especially the psychological environments (culture), the expectations, the desire to invest and make a profit, etc. that were operating and abundant and blooming in the Bubble Years, or Boom Years, (or mostly probably the Inflation Years, or better still the Home Prices Inflation Years) are no longer operating or are operating at much reduced levels, can no longer be activated, the jobs have changed, a lot of work is no longer necessary, or the jobs have been offshored or automated or whatever.
    So, just like a diode can conduct current in only one direction and not the other, just like a Cash to Property Converter that crystallizes the Money into Property Values, but you can’t make it go backwards anymore, you can’t convert the Property Values to Cash anymore because that would mean you can extract money from real estate and activate processes with it, exchange processes, but this is no longer possible, you can’t create jobs anymore, you can’t convert Home Prices and Values into a Process and reverse the set of events that froze the money into Real Estate in the first place, you essentially get stuck, you get stuck with High Property Values and Prices and No Jobs (and millions of empty homes in Spain and the USA).
    The only real solution is to make the property values Crash, Baby Crash hugely worldwide, all over the place, kill those Home Prices, a 3 bedroom home in the middle of Manhattan or Los Angeles, or Tokyo or Paris or Rome, etc. should not be valued at more than 50,000 dollars or 200 dollars a month rent. In this way, there may be a chance to activate some exchange processes again, to create some jobs again, etc.
    But everyone is in Punishment Mode, everyone blaming everyone else of why the economy sucks, everyone wanting to punish everyone else by calling them lazy, firing them, they don’t “Work Hard Enough” hence they don’t deserve cash anymore, they don’t “Innovate Enough” and so forth: exactly when a society goes in Punishment Mode, and gets stingy, and no longer wants to pay out Free Salaries, Huge Welfare, give out cash for free, but wants People to “Deserve It” is exactly when it becomes poorer and poorer since eveyone doesn’t trust or value anyone else anymore, everyone is an enemy of everyone else who “Doesn’t Deserve Anything” since they are all freeloaders and don’t want to “Work Hard Enough” and so on.
    But the 20th century west got rich exactly by being less stingy, less demanding of others, less fixed on this Punishment Mode, on the Myth of “Hard Work”(which is mostly an artistic, aesthetical choice, the boss wants to see you “Work Hard” and suffer (and creates so many useless tasks in order to make people Work Hard at essentially nothing but wasting resources, mostly working hard at selling fluff to other people and fighting other people, the interaction and conflicts and exhanges with other people and their opposition to your will power is what work essentially consists of today in the crappy “Services Economy”) etc.) so that you deserve your money when this is all useless and meaningless and just a show, especially when our present economic system has absolutely nothing at all to do with work anymore, it is mostly an Automatic System with huge economies of scale, a Technological Economy that needs work like a hole in the head and needs more than anything else consumption and people buying like crazy, buy baby buy. A Technological Economy creates Free Wealth by the boatloads and can esaily give it all out to everyone for free, etc. but we are stuck in the Stone Ages with our Ape Man Mentality.
    Hence we need:
    1) Free Salaries to all worldwide (800 dollars a month);
    2) Cheap Rents to all worldwide (200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom home in Manhattan or 50 dollars a month for the same in some suburb, etc.);
    3) Trillions of huge large scale Public Private projects for the future, Space Exploration, Skyscrapers, High Speed trains, you name it.
    But then again, when you know that all judgements, choices, all interactions and politics and all the possible ways to program a society as Man is the Infinitely Programmable Machine depends simply on what a dominating random Mind thinks is better, just the judgment of another person, and you know that the judgment and choices and preferences of any mind are worthless always, meaningless, arbitrary and have no value at all, everything is mostly vain and useless anyways..
    THE APE MAN, THE 8 MEN, THE TOBOR….

  389. 8man June 28, 2012 at 6:20 am #

    But the 20th century west got rich exactly by being less stingy, less demanding of others, less fixed on this Punishment Mode, on the Myth of “Hard Work”(which is mostly an artistic, aesthetical choice, the boss wants to see you “Work Hard” and suffer (and creates so many useless tasks in order to make people Work Hard at essentially nothing but wasting resources, mostly working hard at selling fluff to other people and fighting other people, the interaction and conflicts and exhanges with other people and their opposition to your will power is what work essentially consists of today in the crappy “Services Economy”) etc.) so that you deserve your money when this is all useless and meaningless and just a show, especially when our present economic system has absolutely nothing at all to do with work anymore, it is mostly an Automatic System with huge economies of scale, a Technological Economy that needs work like a hole in the head and needs more than anything else consumption and people buying like crazy, buy baby buy. A Technological Economy creates Free Wealth by the boatloads and can easily give it all out to everyone for free, etc. but we are stuck in the Stone Ages with our Ape Man Mentality.

  390. Senneth June 28, 2012 at 7:20 am #

    I have long ago decided to vote for Jill Stein as well. At the political sites there are many of us who support her.
    Barry was bought and paid for and has no moral compass. If anyone had done a modicom of research on him, his dealings with Rezko, how he treated his political mentor Alice Palmer, the tenaments, getting Jeri Ryan’s divorce documents unsealed, humiliating her and her family just to make her ex-husband drop out of the US Senate race. Barry Zero is a crook. Abandoned by his father and his mother later he formed no inner core his “personality formation” did not develop well.
    I suggest reading some of the political forums such as John W. Smart or others to find out what kind of a man he is.
    This is also in response to Being There and Ozone, glad you’re also voting for Jill Stein. If enough of us vote for her maybe something will come of it. Who knows.

  391. BeingThere June 28, 2012 at 7:34 am #

    E.
    Sadly and realistically, I don’t think JS has a snowball’s chance in hell to get elected. Nobody even knows who she is, thanks to the war-contract corporate media. I would say that she is a protest vote for those who want to make a statement.
    BTW I wrote to Wage about all our comments and she said, “That’s funny! Maybe that kind of coalition will put some fear into our ruling overlords.”
    (I personally don’t think they give a rat’s ass)
    JHK has mentioned a few times that maybe the military should run a candidate to put things back in place and get back into the business of being a sovereign nation.
    But we have to realize that everything about this system is set in place. The civilian leadership from government to universities, to corporations have pretty much gone neoliberal global with that Milton Friedman twist, you know I love so well.
    Craig Paul Roberts said in that interview I posted yesterday, elections are not going to change this.
    He said the Republicans can fix the race because they have companies who develop the voting machines and the Democrats have demurred.
    The way the Soviet Union broke the chains was for the leadership to realize the system no longer worked for them and then they changed.
    Its really the only way this is going to happen since most of the citizenry think they’re free. Yes, in an inverted totalitarian state, people think they are making choices and slowly it dawns on them that everything continues to move in the same direction no matter who’s in office.
    If people think Li-ber-ty means owning guns with no gun control, than they are easily satisfied by making the other party the bogey-man and happy with the top tier making all the money by hook-or-by-crook and having no regulations and no taxation.
    That said, they fail to realize that everyone becomes the victim of whatever money-making scheme they have to extract wealth from them. They notice nothing until the daisy chain comes for them.
    The real change-maker may come from outside the country where other countries with national pride compete and overcome.
    PS. Someone said yesterday the JHK didn’t mention China in TLE. He did in fact say a couple of things. He said they have high expectations and with a strong army they will be a major competitor for resources and they will probably beat us out, as our military is being spent.
    The other comment he made was that they too will experience the same contraction we will at the end of the day and their whole program will fall apart.

  392. BeingThere June 28, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    One more thing before I have to go (to work)
    The whole Operation Fast and Furious is indeed problematic, but Fortune Magazine did a 4-month research into the allegations and found the “whistle Blower” may have gone off the reservation and is making false allegations.
    There may be no there, there.
    The Republicans are already saying impeachment. Yes, no matter what happened during “W’s”time, not one Dem said the “I” word.
    If you watch the Rep’s pattern, they really despise the 2-party system.

  393. 8man June 28, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    Distribute Wealth ?
    So given that the Technological Economy has absolutely nothing at all to do with Work, Labor or any kind of Effort of any kind anymore, how on earth are you going to distribute the wealth that it automatically generates by the boatloads? Are you going to force fake and make believe and imaginary exchanges people will perform for a salary anyways ? Are you going to give the cash out for free to all ? are you going to LEND it out and make everyone have huge debts in the end (subprime loans to buy McMansions: another sign of Huge Excess Capacity and Free Wealth Generation the Technological Economy generates automatically, thousands of McMansions and such, thousands of high rises in China and such) all in the name of trying to desperately hide the truth that labor is no longer needed, is redundant, nay, that any human interaction and social exchanges at all are rednudant, not needed and not necessary anymore, the system is mostly a huge Automatic Economy, generates wealth and goods by huge economy of scales, networks, huge flows of Energy and Oil, Electricity, Machines, Automated subsystems, automated and optimized production processes worldwide (and even if not automated, then run by very cheap and abundant labor in poorer countries, etc.) ? No ? Well then just be honest and give it all out for free, let it all hang out, give out free salaries and cheap rents to all worldwide and get it over with once and for all.
    And you can easily see how unecessary work is in this economic system when all of a sudden companies layoff hundreds or thousands of people (for the bottom line): obviously all of those people and their labor was worthless and optional anyways, it wasn’t really need, otherwise you couldn’t do that, on two feet. And how much time millions of people waste in offices, in meetings and interactions and fights and lawyers, all of the people goofing off in Education (and probably a good deal in health Care) etc. all the while the economists and politicians are always making believe that there are all of these deep “Structural Reasons” why the economy must be organized as it is, labor must be “flexible”, globalization must allow outsourcing or whatever.
    All of the talk about Innovation and always changing kinds of jobs every two years and so forth goes to show how not necessary and optional and all fun and games all of those “Innovations” and “New Jobs” really are, how they have nothing at all to do with the Economy at all, nothing at all to do with the Technological Economy generating free wealth and providing all of the basics to all. All of the new startups, IPADS, APPS, new jobs, are all about fun and games and fluff and make believe comic book jobs and work: things that are just cool artistically and aesthetically, it looks like real work, but the Technological Economy doesn’t even notice, and needs all of those jobs like a hole in the head. It is all just a ritual, a make believe, no real necessity or needs behind it. The only need it satisfies is to make people think that they are necessary and important and that their labor counts: nothing further from the truth, all of their labor is totally irrelevant.
    There are no structural invariants for a Technological Economy, people can simply get a free salary, it would actually make the economies way richer by wasting less energy to go back and forth to work and printing loads of paper that is useless anyways. All of that imaginary work and activity just tries to hide the fact that it is a cultural and social ritual, a make believe that our culture imposes, just because, for no real reason at all, because that is how the powers that be programmed it to be (or the casual forces of society programmed people and the people let themselves be programmed by), not because LABOR or WORK is a real necessity for the economy to work anymore, to feed people or to produce goods: and in fact notice that the parking lots of malls are always full no matter how high the unemployement rate or how bad the economy is doing etc., the goods flow always, people travel and the airports and highways are crowded.
    The limitations are all cultural, psychological and are all based on an artistic – aesthetic, arbitrary, random choice of wanting people to “work” 8 hours a day and pretending that it is needed: it is hard to find a substitute to this ritual because all of the values, ideas, all of the distribution of wealth must be performed through “work” or what passes for “work”.
    It was all true and necessary (work and labor was needed, factories needed the 8 hour a day labor, etc.) up until the mid 20th century, then the Huge Productive Power of the Technological Economy started to show its force, just look at how much production went into World War Two (All government paid, but in that case, welfare was ok, the government paying for it all was ok, etc.), Germany alone produced enough to battle half of the world for almost five years, then the productive power of the USA kicked in, etc. By the 1950s we were essentially already living in an Automatic – Free Wealth Generating Technological Economy and this is even before the power of the Microprocessor, Computers and the Internet kicked in and with a much more primitive technology compared to today.
    The Hippies knew this, that is what the counterculture was all about, they knew that humanity was essentially free from labor by the use of Technology and expected the Utopia to kick in: it didn’t happen, the Right Wing Conservatives won and kept everyone brainwashed about all of these limitations and the need for Work and all of the Resource Scarcity Myths, etc.
    Oh, I forgot, Man is the fight, the conflict, without the fight and conflict and everyone against everyone else, and everyone wanting to be the boss of everyone else and impose “Hard Work” on the loser, Man is undefined, gets lost, cannot measure himself against others. He needs inequality always, the “I am Better Than You” (or especially I “Deserve” more than you (but who judges who deserves ? another arbitrary clown, that’s who)), the contrasts, the conflicts, the fights, complexity, and problems, the problems and the freeloaders and lazy turds to blame why the “Economy Is Not Doing Well” etc.
    Well, the Economy Is Not Doing Well because there are no long any circuits to distribute the wealth it generates automatically unless you finally decide to give out free salaries and cheap rents to all worldwide. AMEN.

  394. 8man June 28, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    So given that the Technological Economy has absolutely nothing at all to do with Work, Labor or any kind of Effort of any kind anymore, how on earth are you going to distribute the wealth that it automatically generates by the boatloads? Are you going to force fake and make believe and imaginary exchanges people will perform for a salary anyways ? Are you going to give the cash out for free to all ? are you going to LEND it out and make everyone have huge debts in the end (subprime loans to buy McMansions: another sign of Huge Excess Capacity and Free Wealth Generation the Technological Economy generates automatically, thousands of McMansions and such, thousands of high rises in China and such) all in the name of trying to desperately hide the truth that labor is no longer needed, is redundant, nay, that any human interaction and social exchanges at all are redundant, not needed and not necessary anymore, the system is mostly a huge Automatic Economy, generates wealth and goods by huge economy of scales, networks, huge flows of Energy and Oil, Electricity, Machines, Automated subsystems, automated and optimized production processes worldwide (and even if not automated, then run by very cheap and abundant labor in poorer countries, etc.) ? No ? Well then just be honest and give it all out for free, let it all hang out, give out free salaries and cheap rents to all worldwide and get it over with once and for all.

  395. 8man June 28, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    And you can easily see how unecessary work is in this economic system when all of a sudden companies layoff hundreds or thousands of people (for the bottom line): obviously all of those people and their labor was worthless and optional anyways, it wasn’t really needed, otherwise you couldn’t do that, on two feet. And how much time millions of people waste in offices, in meetings and interactions and fights and lawyers, all of the people goofing off in Education (and probably a good deal in health Care) etc. all the while the economists and politicians are always making believe that there are all of these deep “Structural Reasons” why the economy must be organized as it is, labor must be “flexible”, globalization must allow outsourcing or whatever.

  396. ozone June 28, 2012 at 9:50 am #

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    “The way the Soviet Union broke the chains was for the leadership to realize the system no longer worked for them and then they changed.
    Its really the only way this is going to happen since most of the citizenry think they’re free. Yes, in an inverted totalitarian state, people think they are making choices and slowly it dawns on them that everything continues to move in the same direction no matter who’s in office.”
    LB/BT,
    I agree with your analysis. (Surprise, surprise! ;o)
    Just watched “My Perestroika”. One of the protagonists had an encapsulation of the time immediately following the Military/Yeltsin showdown in Moscow. It was a study in “watching between the shadows”: While the people were exuberant in their triumph over a potential coup and were engaged in singing, drinking and dancing, the new government was busy promising things they had no resources/money to provide, while also acting as a giant pipe vacuuming up money to send westward. When LARGE SWATHS of folks began falling into extreme privation, they awakened to their new paradigm (not that they could do much about it). Another commented on the amazingly swift changes of mind (from committed nationalist to hardened cynic).
    Of course, privation turned out [as always] to be the key.
    …But those are Russkies. We’re different.
    Riiiiiiight. (tm CFT)
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  397. Widespreadpanic7 June 28, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Pretty good analysis yourself there, OzPete. Well stated. You never cease to amaze me.
    I was meaning to ask you, those exotic places featured on your site, have you visited them?
    It seems like the rest of the nation west of here is burning up, literally and figuratively; ’round these parts, though, its cool and crisp. We truly are blessed.
    Anybody see the lengthy, front page article in the WSJ Wednesday stating that by 2030 the US will be completely independent of the Middle East and Africa for oil due to the new oil shale fields within our continental lower 48. They had some bar graphs showing pretty rosy oil production figures going forward. But when you read the article, not just the headline, the most they expect to get out of these fields is 1.6 million bpd, which doesn’t really square with the headline. And the myriad problems with fracking, as well a boiling oil out of tar sands and rock is never even mentioned.
    –WSP7

  398. dale June 28, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    We can have thoughts, concepts, and developmental experiences that would have been impossible for our ancestors even to imagine, let alone have. This has impacted our attitudes, culture, even the cognitive development of our living brains. That is change in human nature.
    ———————————–
    What we think about is not human nature, why we think about it and what our motivations are, is (are, is –can you do that?, kyoo help me out here)
    4000 yrs ago we were chasing each other around throwing rocks, now days its RPGs, same motivation, same human nature. I don’t see the progress here, other than we’re more efficient is actualizing our tendencies.

  399. Widespreadpanic7 June 28, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Oh yea, I’ve been meaning to ask, who is Osho? I read quite a bit but that’s one name I’ve never come across.
    –WSP7

  400. ozone June 28, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Good point.
    (Or are you just being “contentious”? ;o)

  401. ozone June 28, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    Yep, been all dem places, and many more. (I’d really have a tough time making a list of all the various dirt-s I’ve trampled.)
    Has the WSJ gone completely cognitive-dissonant? That’s really weird, holding two contradictory viewpoints as “conclusive” within the same article.
    (BTW, sorry for the Asokaistic use of fractious wordings. Smacks a bit of “pissy-ness” don’t it? ;o)

  402. ozone June 28, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Hey!
    Don’t ask that too “loudly”; someone is bound to answer (in a lengthy manner).

  403. Rhino June 28, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    I know it was an older jet. But what would it cost to replace it? If they replace it. I doubt there’s any more phantoms coming off the production lines. How likely is it that they can score a used phantom from some other air force? Modern jets are monumentally expensive.

  404. dale June 28, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    or example, all empires eventually collapse, with no exceptions; therefore, the USA will collapse. There, I did it. But it is not possible to predict when something will happen because of the problem of missing information: we have a mental model of how something continues to exist, not of how it unexpectedly ceases to exist. —Orlov
    ——————————–
    While Orlov’s overall thesis is highly persuasive, I disagree on one substantial point.
    It is not that we are “missing information” to make predictions, it is that the number of variables are just too numerous. Things can appear to be “getting better” and “getting worse” at the same time, depending on how you spin the data and which data points you choose to emphasize. That creates counter-noise in any attempt to realistically assess Orlov’s curves, and sometimes that counter-noise is correct. (Predictions of Peak Oil have been around since 1890) That’s a much bigger problem in predictability than missing information.
    I agree that collapse is inevitable, and we appear well along the curve, but maybe it always appears that way at any given time. I once made the point here that it could have been argued in the 1890s, that NYC would be overwhelmed with horseshit very soon. But of course, that didn’t turn out to be the case. While I think its unlikely, our concerns about PO and energy supply could in the next 100 years, be just as ephemeral.
    Within any timeframe, there are only possibilities, with various levels of probability, no “sure things.”, as Orlov stated. A much bigger issue is, “knowing” what will happen, doesn’t seen to change anything. It’s going to happen anyway.

  405. dale June 28, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    Oh yea, I’ve been meaning to ask, who is Osho? I read quite a bit but that’s one name I’ve never come across.
    —————————-
    Wikipedia?

  406. Eleuthero June 28, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    I’m certain that Stein’s candidacy is going nowhere but I’d like to see her poll numbers high enough to start putting 3rd party fears into the two main parties … like Perot did many years ago.
    However, I have to go along with Vlad that I find her multi-culti orientation to be a bitter pill to swallow. Progressives such as yourself have to live with the idea that Stein’s social leftism means that nearly all her votes will steal votes from Obama and may well allow Romney to steal the election.
    I see this, ironically, as a good thing because I think the country needs to see, in plain view, what the Republicans really are: Mean-spirited haters of the middle class. I think the YOUNG will really start getting pissed off under a Romney Presidency and may well start instigating social disorder. Right now, our youth are merely depressed because of a total lack of economic opportunities (as Joe Stiglitz pointed out last week). Sooner or later, this must lead to destabilization of the country. Idle youth have much destructive energy.
    E.

  407. dale June 28, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Or, to put it more succinctly, “missing information” is the “god” of predictability. As long as you believe it exists, you can keep looking for it. Creating the illusion of eventual success and redemption.
    “agnostics” of predictability like myself consider the problem essential, more information will only create more possibilities.

  408. skiscool June 28, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    “an endless regurgitation of statistics” – this is a point I notice a lot. It reminds me of 1984 where the TV is constantly churning out how many shoes were created and other productivity related information.
    Great post. go to http://eatthewholechicken.com if you want to learn to butcher a chicken.

  409. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    Rajneesh got alot of much deserved bad press.
    So he renamed himself Osho, perhaps as damage control.
    See: ‘The god that failed’ and similar books at Amazon.
    He was a money hungry druggie pretending to be a Buddha.
    On a different note, are you near Camden?
    Just heard NPR, talking streets where all houses are abandoned, 100 ‘open air drug markets’ etc.

  410. Widespreadpanic7 June 28, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Cognitive-dissonance?
    In other words a little bit wacky?
    True. But I’m good at keeping it buried underneath a vail of suburban conventionality.
    -WSP7

  411. BeantownBill June 28, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    I agree, but sometimes, I don’t know… sometimes I just have an overwhelming urge to not let someone get away with bullshit.

  412. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    WSJ …A few years back published an article on how
    ‘Immigrants will save SSI’…..hows that for stupid?

  413. Widespreadpanic7 June 28, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    AntiSoak, Q is near Camden. We’re about 200 mile north of there.
    ASoak, what happened in Stockton? a city of 300,000 filing bankruptcy? Is it big news in Cal?
    –WSP7

  414. ozone June 28, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    Popping back in fer a minute…
    Basically, just one of many delusional precursors to profound, screaming madness. ;o)

  415. Eleuthero June 28, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    I view the Rajneesh phenomenon as an omen of the beginning of the failure of critical thinking in the professional classes. One sees the aftermath, still, in the large number of people on the West Coast who believe in silly things like astrology, tossing I Ching coins, extreme fad dietary regimens, and other silly New Age notions.
    That’s why advanced degrees mean little to me any more. Their holders often believe in superstitious drivel as much as the village idiots.
    E.

  416. ozone June 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    I can commiserate.

  417. Widespreadpanic7 June 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    O Ya, A Soak, finishing up ‘Too Much Magic’.
    Jim picks up where he left off in TLE. Pretty much has the best explanation and summary of the fin. meltdown in 2008 I’ve seen so far. Jim has a good ability to explain and make sense of complex situations for simpletons like myself, which I believe is his main strength. More on it when I’m done.
    –WSP7

  418. ozone June 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Here’s a response by D.O. to a response to a guest posting on his site. (Huh? It’s okay, you’ll get the gist of the drift. ;o)
    …”People are submissive as long as the power over them is unfettered and practiced with impunity. Martyrdom is rare because it is irrational. But absolute power not only corrupts absolutely, it also collapses catastrophically. The hope is that it all disintegrates into sufficiently small pieces to make large-scale violence impossible. Large-scale collectivism is inherently warlike regardless of ideology. The first symptom of collapse to watch for is the first successful armed rebellion around the fringes of the empire, or the controlled, centrally governed space, followed by a proliferation of imperial no-go zones, on the periphery as well as right in the centers of large cities. For only the third time in the history of global empires, the Pashtun tribesmen in Afghanistan and Pakistan seem to be leading the way.” -D.O.
    At any rate, there’s what one might call a “prime indicator”. (Of course, as dale insists, the more factors introduced, the more possibility of different outcomes, but this one seems pretty “confirmative” of a general direction to me.)
    There are other parts of this conversation that touch on the emphasis of “non-violent activism” by the media and its’ various paid experts as a way to maintain the status quo. (Kind of an insistence that “violence won’t change a thing”. Oh no? We’ll see, when da yout’s get good and riled.)
    Okay…….. out.

  419. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    What false allegations? That America allowed thousands of firearms to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels resulting in hundreds of deaths? That really happened.
    I go with Rush: a blatant attempt on the part of the Administration to implicate the American People and the 2nd Ammendment with a view towards curtailing it.

  420. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    The greatest minds of antiquity believed in some of these things. People have stupid takes on them just as they do energy, politics, internal combustion engines etc. They “believe” in electricity the same way they believe in astrology – as magic.
    Check out the new UFO series and then dig deeper: the PTB have a Plan B to create a UFO religion or threat to help with Globablism.

  421. dale June 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    The problem with Orlov’s use of the bridge is telling, as an engineer he tends to see systems as bounded, with a determinant
    number of variables. When you are talking about “economies” or “civilizations” you are talking about systems which are extremely unbounded, difficult to even define much less quantify. New variables are introduced all the time, and game changers at that. Efforts to simplify (as with JHK or Limbaugh) may make you more comfortable with the unknown, but provide little real useful insight.
    When Limbaugh says “It’s really very simple folks”, that’s when you know it isn’t. Don’t confuse emotionalism with reason.

  422. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    I’ll say one thing for Stein: she’s not the Debbie Schultz or Joe Lieberman Elders of Zion type. Like Dennis Kucinic, she seems very nice and utterly sincere – a true Liberal of the new old school.
    Kucinic seems like a very nice man – meeting exactly the self image Jews have of themselves but seldom actually match. I got a pamphlet about him given out by Muslims who were using a moribund Christian Church they were using. What was it – he wants a Department of Peace? Frightening – this man should never be allowed anywhere near the corridors of international power. And wont be: those are controlled by those who want to conquer the World. Oh for a fiery John Adams, or wise Thomas Jefferson – men jealous of our Sovereignty and vengeful of any trespass on it or our borders, but peaceful and indifferent to all that transpires beyond. In other words, the Balance implicit in a Centre.

  423. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    Imagine what Obama will do next time when he hands are free. But as Lenin said, worse is better. Romney as a Bush3, will just put people to sleep as conditions continue to worsen. Obama has awoken many Whites to our peril.
    If this election has any reality, it might reflect the conflict between the Neo Cons represented by Romney, and the classic globalists represented by Obama. Both of these are deadly enemies of the White Race and Western Civilization.

  424. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Thank you for helping to awaken Be. I have been trying for a long time. And now she has convinced me to vote for Jill. We all have to help each other. You are a good Sister.

  425. jackieblue2u June 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    I agree from my experience in the world, that JEWS are ARE smarter than most.
    Why is that? and that I Like them, before I know that they are Jewish. Meaning not Because they are but just That they are. Doesn’t change whether I like them or not.

  426. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    The Ultimate Secret. The Master Key to understand all social issues. Once understood, one merely has to inquire which races focus on r strategies and which on k.
    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/?page_id=59

  427. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    But do they like you? And if so, is it because you like them or for your own intrinsic qualities?
    The Jews have spent alot of money getting Whites to like them and feel sorry for them. But how do they feel about Whites – especially the ones who don’t buy their PR campaign?

  428. Vlad Krandz June 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    The Chinese now have gigantic industrial centers the size of cities – much like Auschwitz was. We can’t match this kind of draconian practicality. The answer? Tariffs. What about free trade? Nothing free about it.
    The Chinese have tariffs to protect their economy from us. Add to this their currency manipulation, and we have clearly been fighting with both hands tied behind our back. We are clearly outnumbered with both our Goverment and Corporations on the Chinese side against their own people.

  429. Kyooshtik June 28, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Thanks again 8Man for these lonng swaths of comments which I can blithely scroll past. I don’t know how I would ever catch up on all I have to read otherwise.
    And a tip of the hat to the chink spammers as well, for the same reason.

  430. Kyooshtik June 28, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    If enough of us vote for her maybe something will come of it. Who knows.
    ===========
    How ’bout this. If she pulls 5% of the popular vote I’ll eat my hat in Macy’s window.

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    Q is near Camden.
    ==========
    No, I am near New Brunswick, NJ although I was born and raised in Collingswood, NJ, a town right next to Camden.
    …but, to the main point…yes, Camden is a shit hole. Haven’t been there in awhile but 100 houses in a row, all abandoned, is totally believable.

  434. Kyooshtik June 28, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Correction: I was born in Camden and raised in Collingswood.

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  440. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    That’s why advanced degrees mean little to me any more. Their holders often believe in superstitious drivel as much as the village idiots.
    Well, you got the advanced degrees right, E.
    Most Rajneeshees were holders of Masters degrees or Doctorates. (Average age: 37) They weren’t kids looking for a daddy figure.
    But looking beyond degrees and what they believed, which are seem to demean, look at what they did.
    On a ranch consisting of 64,000 acres (126 square miles) of Oregon desert land and very few buildings, within a few years Rajneeshees transformed an overgrazed acreage and devastated watershed into a luscious oasis.
    I am witness to how the community’s riparian work to restore and replant the rivers helped the local ecology make a remarkably speedy recovery. This is relevant to JHK’s vision of the future. From 1982 to 1985, the plants, animal and water life around Rajneeshpuram dramatically rebounded. 
    Over the course of three years, Rajneesh sannyasins created a city that supported at its height 7,000 regular residents with 15,000 annual visitors.
    In the course of three years the Rajneeshees accomplished what took Christians in New England hundreds of years. When I was there (1982) people at Rajneeshpuram were eating all locally grown organic, hormone-free, pesticide-free

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  442. Cavepainter June 28, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Commentary this morning is that there was a “surprise” shift in expected alignment within the court body resulting in those expected to rule against doing otherwise and the same with their “opposites”.
    Well, there you have it: The debate about health care has been a ruse all along, aimed at legitimizing the contention by both of our “two party system” that they represent a polarity of political/economic positions.
    (Funny is how completely sidestepped has become any commentary on prospect of a “real national health care program”.)
    Truth be though, they both are instruments of international finance aimed at dissolving all national sovereignty and borders, putting all erstwhile nations on the same track regardless of difference in histories, heritages and cultures.
    Consequently, though America has more favorable ratio of population to resources, Americans will be required to pay higher food prices because of markets for our agriculture product growing in places like Asia where rise in new “wealth” classes are being created by the transnational corporate rulers.
    In essence, the world is being fastly driven toward a two class system. That is, no more class of “sovereign citizen” exercising will through representational government, instead only a ruling wealthy controlling the rest of us serving as “niggers” on the global plantation.
    Let me make the point more emphatic: The global human population is trampling toward nine billion (I mindfully selected the verb trampling). Concomitant with that explosion will be an explosion in hard luck stories of human desperation which will provide the compelling anecdotes for dissolving national borders to purpose of equalizing population distribution across the globe.
    That, of course, will produce indistinguishable polyglot population, none retaining independence of resource or national self determination.
    Whatever your belief about how America should change its immigration policies and immigration/refugee ceilings in response to this global population explosion, your “citizen will” in governing national destiny is made irrelevant if our immigration laws are allowed to default to however many foreign nationals choose to ignore our laws by coming here illegally.
    I’m a nationalist. American needs to bulwark itself against becoming collateral damage to spread of overpopulation driven by cultural practices and historical circumstances elsewhere.
    Most particularly, we need to not allow our favorable resource/population ratio be sacrificed to global profit of transnational corporations.

  443. trippticket June 28, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    “Living this way makes you think differently. When connection to nature is a full-contact sport you quickly realize your true role in the whole general mish-mash. Sequestered behind solid locked doors in a climate-controlled environment, it’s easy to understand how man might adopt grandiose ideas about his role in the universe; out here, you sleep lightly and carry a big stick. Homo sapiens is a top predator, but out here that role must be embraced openly and reinforced mentally every day. It’s very empowering…and very sobering.”
    How about a little dose of a more plausible post-peak future than you might find in Aspen? Come see our little corner of paradise in the north Georgia mountains…and the big ass tent my family of four lives in. It’s pretty sweet.
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Cheers,
    Tripp

  444. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    CORRECTIONS
    But looking beyond degrees and what they believed, which YOU seem to demean, look at what they did.
    In the course of three years the Rajneeshees accomplished what took Christians in New England hundreds of years.
    When I was there (1982) people at Rajneeshpuram were eating all locally grown organic, hormone-free, pesticide-free vegetables and dairy.
    That is something the New England Piggly-Wiggly in a town of 7,000 still cannot offer in 2012.

  445. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    Commentary this morning is that there was a “surprise” shift in expected alignment within the court body
    Cavepainter, there was not “surprise shift”
    Obama was a Constitutional law professor and he stated from the beginning that the Supreme Court had no legal grounds against the Affordable Care Act.
    What you are bemoaning is that some think the Court did not act in a political activist way against Obama. Instead of being judicial activists, the Justices stuck to the law.

  446. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    only a ruling wealthy controlling the rest of us serving as “niggers” on the global plantation.
    I know it is wrong of me, but I find it hilarious when white folks paint themselves as victims and call themselves niggers. Them white folks gettin’ all uppity and self-righteous and angry.
    Maybe we should put about 3 million of the angriest ones in prison before they go gettin’ violent and committin’ crimes … that way we could even things out a little for what they done to Black folks.
    As I say, I know it’s wrong to think these things. My laughing makes me “hateful” in the eyes of CFN.
    But the idea of folks, the same ones who have had white privilege all their lives, getting all uppity and becoming “angry white folks” is hilarious.
    We can teach you some things about adapting to life on the “global plantation,” you know, to survive and to get the most out of the experience.

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  450. trippticket June 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    Soak, you might like this:
    http://calearth.org/building-designs/eco-dome.html
    “Earth turns to gold in the hands of the wise.”
    We are thinking about building ourselves a winter shelter in this fashion. Looks like a great alternative to cob or adobe.

  451. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    I wish GW would go away….
    AP News:
    On Tuesday 251 new daily high temperature records were set, boosting to 1,015 the number of records set in the past seven days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  452. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    How ’bout this. If she pulls 5% of the popular vote I’ll eat my hat in Macy’s window.
    In late 2007 and early 2008 you said the same thing about Obama. Do you have a supply of comestible hats?

  453. bossier22 June 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    no one has mentioned reading jhk’s new book yet. I just fininshed it on kindle and recieved my hard copy from Battenkill Books.

  454. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Can you forward this to yr towns HRC?
    If not, post their email and maybe I can!
    DO NOT BLAME ME THIS IS ALL FROM THE SAN FRAN EXAMINER:
    Update 3:30 p.m.):
    Brinkin, who has a longtime partner and a teenage son, retired in 2010 after working for 22 years with the San Francisco Human Rights
    Commission

    Brinkin retired from the Human Rights Commission in 2010, and has been a beloved member of the gay community, with the Board of Supervisors even declaring the first week of February as “Larry Brinkin Week.”
    At the time of his retirement, he earned more than $135,000 yearly.
    According to the search warrant, SFPD acted after receiving a tip from the Los Angeles Police Department, which obtained from AOL an e-mail exchange between a Los Angeles user and zack3737@aol.com. Police say they linked the AOL address to Brinkin’s IP address; he is owner of the account and paid for AOL service with his credit card.
    The warrant claims these e-mails contained images of children as young as perhaps a year old being sodomized by and performing oral sex on adult men. Zack3737@aol.com — whom the police allege is Brinkin — provided graphic commentary on the photos of interracial adult-child sex.
    Comments included “I loved especially the nigger 2 year old getting nailed. Hope you’ll continue so I can see what the little blond bitch is going to get. White Power! White Supremacy! White Dick Rules!”

  455. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    Stockton [never been there] is paying Firemen 160K a year..thats what happened to Stockton.
    I hear its a shithole fulla poor folk and criminals.

  456. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Tripp, if you can score some scoria in your area, pun intended, the process of filling the earthbags becomes much easier because scoria is lightweight volcanic rock.
    Scoria still has the thermal insulative properties and you would still stucco it on the outside, so no one is gonna know you have scoria-filled bags. But I suspect scoria may be a Southwest thing, not a Southeast thing.
    Nice photos of your tent house. Felicitaciones!

  457. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    The beginning or the end?
    What of The Left, The Hippy Movement, EST, the Peace Corps ?
    EST made it onto the scene 1973? Osho got popular
    later than that as I recall.
    I went to a huge hotel room near here about 15 years ago to hear one ‘MAFU, as Channeled by Penny Torres’. My neighbor was a fan……..
    Lotsa educated looking, smart looking [appearances
    can be deceiving] rich looking white folks..
    I walked out fast…Id read about Edgar Cayce but Mafu..the things the sage was saying were aural junk food.
    Penny was charging 300$ ? for the weekend..I went to the free Fri nite talk…there might have been 500-700 fools there.
    Esther Hicks makes 10 million? a year ‘channeling’ Abraham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  458. Zed Leppt In June 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    Eyesore of the Week Candidate
    “Fallen Star” is an art installation by Korean artist Do Ho Suh on the UC San Diego campus. It’s a small powder blue cottage perched at an angle and clinging precariously to the rooftop of the engineering building – what one might imagine had the tornado which carried away Dorothy’s house veered off course from Oz to southern California. According to the creator, it challenges our ideas of the familiar and the foreign and draws our attention to our surroundings. I’d say he succeeds on that last point since the engineering building is one of those depressing brutalist designs of gigantic concrete slabs.
    As for symbolism, one might liken it to a horrible experiment in architectural cross-breeding, like a toy poodle desparately trying to mate with a greyhound. But a more timely symbol would be the ongoing mortgage default crisis in the state. 700,000 mortgages are 30 days or more in arrears in California and many homeowners are probably experiencing that sickening feeling of teetering over a precipice. Meanwhile, banks in that state are lobbying hard to kill a bill that would limit their ability to practice dual tracking of foreclosures (one arm of the bank negotiates a modified repayment scheme while another arm simutaneously carries out foreclosure proceedings)
    And finally, heavily indebted students on campus can look up at the little house for reassurance that folks in government are looking out for their wellbeing when they learn that the National Endowment for the Arts kicked in $90,000 for the exihibit.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tiny-house-dangles-side-building-article-1.1103183?localLinksEnabled=false

  459. trippticket June 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    I’m afraid all we have here is clay and granite! Heavy stuff. But then, doesn’t it really have to be heavy to be thermal mass? Wouldn’t scoria just be another “easy way out”? Just building our little thermal mass fridge has awakened my senses to what “thermally massive” really means. It means “sore back.” But it also means “fairly comfortably in summer and winter without mechanical climate control.” And that is encouraging in a future where we’ll have pleny of muscle and time and not so much money and laziness.

  460. trippticket June 28, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    plenty

  461. dale June 28, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    I hear its a shithole fulla poor folk and criminals.
    ——————————–
    Drove through stockton once years ago on a winter day. I swear, I’d accidentally taken LSD or something, ugliest people in the entire world. Shithole is right.

  462. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    Lotsa educated looking, smart looking [appearances can be deceiving] rich looking white folks.. I walked out fast
    I know the feeling, antisoak. I’ve walked out just as fast in those kinds of situations. LOL!

  463. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    Drove through stockton once years ago on a winter day. I swear, I’d accidentally taken LSD or something, ugliest people in the entire world. Shithole is right.
    dale, wherever I go, I go with a smile on my heart.
    I’ve only been to 17 countries, but wherever I’ve gone, I have found beautiful people.

  464. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    Scoria, pumice, perlite, vermiculite or rice hulls are all suitable insulating materials.
    You would still need to put a thick earth or lime plaster on the interior to provide thermal mass.

  465. Zed Leppt In June 28, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    You might also be interested in the new “old” building material hempcrete. The chopped up stalks of industial hemp are mixed with lime and water, then tamped into a removable form. This techniquie is similar to rammed earth but does not require the heavy duty pounding to pack the materiel into the wall forms and produces a breathable wall.
    http://nationalcannabiscoalition.com/2012/06/first-hempcrete-building-course-taught-in-the-usa/

  466. trippticket June 28, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    Yeah, but I’m not looking for insulating materials. Thermal mass isn’t very good insulation, no matter how thick. You want it to function as thermally transmissive, so that the heat of the day arrives in your boudoire in the wee hours of the morning, and the cool of the night arrives after noon.
    Got to go. Don’t bother with me. Other people will engage.

  467. San Jose Mom 51 June 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    I declare you the week’s winner of “Eyesore of the Week.” Love that it was built with NEA funds!
    I don’t care for any buildings that look as if they might bite the dust in an earthquake, so the blue house on the side of the ugly engineering building really hit a nerve. Frank Gehry buildings also get on my nerves.
    On the subject of art, what do you think of LA’s new “Levitating Mass?” I’d only like it if the huge boulder landed on Kim Kardashian.
    Jen

  468. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    Cavepainter, thanks for bringing up the Supreme Court ruling. CFNers will benefit in many ways.
    If you already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance — the Affordable Care Act will only make it more secure and more affordable.
    Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive.
    They can no longer discriminate against children with preexisting conditions.
    They can no longer drop your coverage if you get sick.
    They can no longer jack up your premiums without reason.
    They are required to provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms — a provision that’s already helped 54 million Americans with private insurance.
    And by this August, nearly 13 million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses, and not enough on your health care.
    There’s more. Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parent’s health care plans — a provision that’s already helped 6 million young Americans.
    And because of the Affordable Care Act, seniors receive a discount on their prescription drugs — a discount that’s already saved more than 5 million seniors on Medicare about $600 each.
    All of this is happening because of the Affordable Care Act. These provisions provide common-sense protections for middle class families, and they enjoy broad popular support. And thanks to today’s decision, all of these benefits and protections will continue for Americans who already have health insurance.
    Now, if you’re one of the 30 million Americans who don’t yet have health insurance, starting in 2014 this law will offer you an array of quality, affordable, private health insurance plans to choose from. Each state will take the lead in designing their own menu of options, and if states can come up with even better ways of covering more people at the same quality and cost, this law allows them to do that, too. And I’ve asked Congress to help speed up that process, and give states this flexibility in year one.
    Once states set up these health insurance marketplaces, known as exchanges, insurance companies will no longer be able to discriminate against any American with a preexisting health condition.
    They won’t be able to charge you more just because you’re a woman.
    They won’t be able to bill you into bankruptcy.
    If you’re sick, you’ll finally have the same chance to get quality, affordable health care as everyone else.
    And if you can’t afford the premiums, you’ll receive a credit that helps pay for it.
    SOURCE: Barack Hussein Obama responding to today’s Supreme Court ruling.

  469. dale June 28, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    Tripp, you should be able to buy cellulose by the bag. Better than fiberglass over a wider range of temps., non-allergenic, and made from recycled material. Installers usually blow it in with a corn starch solution to make it stick, otherwise you would have to put it in from the top.

  470. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Tripp, it’s no bother. I understand what you are seeking with thermal mass: the fly-wheel effect. But in the woods in north Georgia I doubt you are going to get enough constant sun (assuming you are not in the shade of forest trees), nor are you going to want the humidity transfer (thermal mass breathes, though I understand in North Georgia, especially in the mountains, humidity can be high, but it is not as high as it is in South Georgia).
    I am retired, Tripp, and enjoying my retirement with all kinds of projects, both internal and external.
    The Spanish word for retirement is: JUBILACION.
    The Spanish word for joy is: JUBILO.
    Words were never so well related.

  471. dale June 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    I’ve only been to 17 countries, but wherever I’ve gone, I have found beautiful people.
    ————————–
    OK then, some are more beautiful than others, and you probably haven’t been to Stockton.

  472. anti soak June 28, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    Cheap fiberglass panels..6$.
    I believe they can also be gotten in Atlanta:
    Subject: Owens Corning fiberglass
    CWCI Insulation of L.A.
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  473. Mike Hunt June 28, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    I was in the LA area last weekend and the “Levitating Mass” was on all the news outlets. I had never heard of it before. I enjoy seeing glacial erratics, huge boulders, etc in Yosemite and other Sierra canyons – but that display doesn’t seem to work at all in the middle of Los Angeles. My guess is they’ll have to guard it 24/7 to keep the gangbangers from tagging it.
    Kim Kardashian is already an “over-the-shoulder-boulder-holder…
    MH

  474. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    They are all Buddhas, dale.
    That is what I see in the aisles of Walmart.
    Buddha nature is their nature. It shines through.

  475. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    anti soak, aren’t you going to denounce the depravity of Romney’s $50,000 a plate dinner with Trump? I know how you hate those expensive meals with celebrities. But you’ve been strangely silent about it today.
    Although the lunch event was rain checked, tonight’s dinner fundraiser at the private residence of Martin Zweig will go on as planned. The dinner — which is reported to have raised millions of dollars and will host more than 50 guests — starts at 6:30 p.m., at Zweig’s residence in the Pierre Hotel, touted as one of the most expensive homes in Manhattan.
    Starts in a few minutes. There is still time for you to condemn it, anti soak.

  476. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    WSP7, aren’t you going to denounce the depravity of Romney’s $50,000 a plate dinner with Trump? I know how you hate those expensive meals with celebrities. But you’ve been strangely silent about it today.
    Although the lunch event was rain checked, tonight’s dinner fundraiser at the private residence of Martin Zweig will go on as planned. The dinner — which is reported to have raised millions of dollars and will host more than 50 guests — starts at 6:30 p.m., at Zweig’s residence in the Pierre Hotel, touted as one of the most expensive homes in Manhattan.
    Starts in a few minutes. There is still time for you to condemn it, WSP7.

  477. Mrs. Soake June 28, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    I am retired, Tripp, and enjoying my retirement with all kinds of projects, both internal and external.
    ———–
    LOL!! The only thing I’ve ever seen you do with your “retirement”, Soake, is hang out here at CFN with your interminable posts.
    PS – When can i come by to pick up my mattress?
    Mrs. Soake

  478. Zed Leppt In June 28, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    …LA’s new “Levitating Mass?”
    It reminds me of the trap Arnold Schwartzenegger rigger in the movie “Predator” to squash the nasty alien. Maybe it’s a tribute to his governorship of California and similarly failed attempt to squash the flow of those other “aliens” into the state.

  479. dale June 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    They are all Buddhas, dale.
    That is what I see in the aisles of Walmart.
    Buddha nature is their nature. It shines through.
    ————————–
    Got me there……reminds me a little of that old saying by Will Rogers about how he “never met a man he didn’t like” Can’t remember who, buy somebody else said Rogers was a damn liar.
    Far as Wal-Mart goes, can’t say, never go in the place.

  480. JonathanSS June 28, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    Idle youth have much destructive energy.

    How right you are! I was heading North on King Road in San Jose CA a few hours ago (around 2pm). I was stopped at a red light along with another car stopped next to me on my right. While the light was still red, 2 cars, driven by youths and coming up from behind, proceeded to blow through the red light between the curb and the car stopped to my right. I don’t remember seeing brake lights from either car & they were speeding at close to 40mph.
    A similar trick I’ve seen in San Jose to avoid waiting at a red light is for the driver to do a quick right on red, drive 10 feet, do a quick U-turn (more like a D-turn), turn right again and continue traveling in the original direction.

  481. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    Shoppers leaving our local Walmart.

  482. BeantownBill June 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    I agree with most of Cavepainter’s post today. But I am not nationalistic like him. If we continue to evolve as a society, countries will indeed disappear. I dislike ALL governments; I don’t trust them. Whatever passes for government in the future will be local, or as what was envisioned in the original Articles of Confederation.
    I’ve been angry with Americans since 1968 – they live so stupidly. I may be getting paranoid, but if there’s a number of rich, powerful people trying to push the world in a certain direction, as Cavepainter says and I believe, then voting for ANY candidate makes absolutely no difference. What does a protest vote for a 3rd party candidate prove? That a few percent of the US population understand what’s going on? Big deal, to TPTB. What happened after Perot got his 19%? Where did the 19% go, what did they accomplish? Having the general public vote is just a ruse, entertainment. Votes ought to be made by those who have a good grasp of reality, not the masses.
    On an other area – multiculturism. Does anyone understand that multiculturism causes its own demise? I’ve been saying on CFN that if the races interbreed, we’ll end up with a group of golden people. That’s physical, but the same thing applies to society. If all cultures inhabit the same geographic area, ultimately, over time, those cultures will adapt to a new mean such that one, new culture will emerge. If you artificially keep different cultures separate, then those cultures remain extant and each tend to remain the same. It’s the mixing of cultures that has allowed societies to evolve. Apparently, many here fear change, when actually they ought to embrace it.
    I’m not a globalist. I don’t want a one-world government or a one-world power base. But I do believe in a global society – there’s a big difference.
    I’m also not a liberal, contrary to what some CFNers think. I don’t believe in distributing wealth. What I do believe in, however, is fairness, in everyone getting a fair chance to achieve. I believe immigration should be carefully managed according to what the environment can handle. I wouldn’t stop immigration, but I would first determine the carrying capacity of our continent, and act accordingly to insure it isn’t surpassed – if it hasn’t already.

  483. BeingThere June 28, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    J.P. Morgan debacle grows and grows.
    I’m working on site these days and NPR is going all day.
    Well aside from the Healthcare bill which did surprise me, I heard something that I really just had to laugh about.
    J.P Morgan originally lost $800 Million, a mere trifle, folks No problemo.
    Then they said $2 billion, then 3, then 5.
    Today the count is $9 Billion! It keeps going and going….

  484. asoka.. June 28, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    The Affordable Care Act builds on Obama’s efforts to combat fraud and abuse. These efforts are saving billions of dollars in money that was being stolen from people with Medicare.
    And thanks to these efforts and other improvements, the life of the Medicare Trust fund has been extended.
    Your Medicare coverage is protected. Under the new health care law, your existing Medicare-covered benefits won’t be reduced or taken away. As always, you will be able to choose your own doctors.

  485. JonathanSS June 28, 2012 at 8:10 pm #