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In the corkscrewing anguish of the social sequester, with careers, savings, futures, and dreams whirling down the drain, voices rise above the din of conflicting statistics to ask: what is going on here? To some, it looks like a deliberate attempt to demolish what’s left of the economy for political advantage. Clouds of suspicion gather over the two medical superstars of the Daily Briefing show, Doctors Fauci and Birx, as they somewhat sheepishly revise their numbers for contagion and death downward and attempt to “balance” the formula of modeled projections versus mitigation efforts. Was the stay-at-home panic necessary, after all? Will it save the day or kill off modern life as we knew it?

Well, everyplace else in the world was shutting down, weren’t they? Did they all go off their rockers, too? At least a hundred doctors died in Italy heroically tending the stricken, so they say. South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore opted for flat-out medical Gestapo action. Britain, Spain, France, and Germany about the same, but minus testing at the grand scale and tracing of contacts. Honestly, how is it possible the whole planet punked itself?

I certainly don’t know the answer to all this, though readers are twanging on me to declare the whole Covid-19 story “a hoax,” which I’m not ready to do. I do know this: America has become utterly intolerant of uncertainty. And in the absence of certainty, that age-old human cognitive skill called pattern recognition, which has made us such a successful species, kicks into high gear scanning the field-of-view for answers. Any string-of-dots that affords even the slimmest plausibility goes on the table for review, including a lot of stories tagged as “conspiracy theories.”

I know this, too: the financial side of the gasping global economy was running off the rails well before Covid-19 flew out of its bat-cave into somebody’s soup bowl… or out of China’s Wuhan virus lab, if that’s how you like it… or before it seeped out of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’s ark of world-saving secrets. In the USA and Europe, finance had come to mostly eclipse every other human endeavor of wealth production ­– with the catch that finance actually didn’t produce any real wealth, it only winkled and swindled wealth (or the mere ghosts of wealth) with its asset-stripping magic, from the places where wealth once did truly dwell. Or else it ginned up abstruse rackets that attempted to replace the utility of money with sheer math. Or, when all else failed, it just resorted to plain old accounting fraud… until, finally, there was so much there not actually there, that the whole holographic fantasy flickered out.

The pre-Easter bear market rally on Wall Street has been a wonder, don’t you think? As the numbers of able-bodied people out-of-work rocketed up past ten million during the same period, the stock indexes shot up three, five, six percent a day? Say, what? You’re telling me that’s based on the prospect of magnificent earnings in the third quarter? With every business on God’s green earth writhing in the dust like squashed bugs? And every supply line for basic goods and the gazillion spare parts for everything… all choked off?

And meanwhile, the American public sequesters and festers, waiting for those $1,200 checks that will fix… everything! Let’s face it: this is a twilight zone between stupor and fury. Nobody is paying anything to anyone. All obligations are suspended: salaries, rents, mortgages, bills, loans, bets, and vigs, all up in the air somewhere, but definitely not moving to their assigned destinations. The velocity of money is zero and all the various new term facilities and structured vehicles conjured by the Federal Reserve and Congress amount to a mere shadow of money moving ­– even though they are represented by trillions of brand-new alleged dollars. For every ten points that the Standard & Poor’s rose this week, somewhere down the line as many hedge funders will be dribbled like so many basketballs to the hoop of judgment.

The nation now has the long Easter weekend to stew and ruminate over its fate with spring achingly vivid and beckoning beyond the grim, streaked windows of sequestering. Those little cans of Easter Spam with pineapple rings won’t offer much consolation, combined with the abject discovery that even Netflix only has so many sequels to Frozen for children going catatonic with ennui. Kids are generally not so excited by stock and bond markets, but that’s probably where the genuine melodrama picks up on Monday. The weeks ahead there will give the phrase down-to-earth a whole new meaning.


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  1. malthuss April 10, 2020 at 9:54 am #

    The economy is a joke.
    DJIA is a joke
    6 trillion give away will be the straw the breaks the dollars back?

    what about this–
    March 10, a petition was launched on the White House’s website, asking the US government to make public the real reason for the closure of Fort Detrick, a prominent military germ lab, and to clarify whether the laboratory is the research unit for the new coronavirus “COVID19” and whether there was a virus leak…
    According to media reports, the decision was made out of safety concerns after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the organization had failed to put in place systems sufficiently capable of decontaminating wastewater and lacked “periodic recertification training for workers in the biocontainment laboratories.
    The CDC could not provide more specific details due to “national security reasons,” the New York Times reported.
    The petition listed a series of conspicuous events in chronological order, showing explainable lab-related issues and a possible link between the lab and the corona virus. For example, the pneumonia of undetermined origin was found in China in November 2019 right after the United States organized Event 201, a global pandemic exercise, with the participation of the Deputy Director of the CIA in October.
    The petition also noted that a large number of English news reports about the closure of Fort Detrick were deleted this month, displaying a “404 not found” page.
    @http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0321/c90000-9670852.html

    Who is Maatje Benassi? Does she exist?

    ….comments, anyone?

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 10:41 am #

      If the US initiated, even by accident, this scourge, it will be the end of the US as we know it today. It will finish the destruction of the goodness of the dollar, which will finish off the world economy.

      The big question is why? What does America get out of infecting the world? The sports team conspiracy has the stupid result of destroying and rebuilding the entire world. The epidemiologists knew that, the movie writers for Contagion knew that, any veteran through NBC training knew that. It does not make sense.

      If some idiot did it, the Nuremberg trials will be trivialized, the Holocaust will have a brother along side. If so, I hope they get caught. Closure!

      I hope not.

      • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 10:46 am #

        Or that story could just be Chinese propaganda. If someone is actually responsible for this don’t you think they are going to keep it quiet?

        • NWO April 10, 2020 at 11:04 am #

          You need to get out more. You sound like a ‘Russia, Russia, Russia!’ Dem now.

          • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 11:20 am #

            Tell me exactly what you mean by that please.

          • MarkinPNW April 11, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

            Oceana has is at war with Eastasia, Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia, I know because Big Brother (at Fox) told me so. Oh wait, Oceana is at war with Eurasia, and has always been at war with Eurasia because Big Brother (at CNN) told me so.

            Amazing, not even Orwell predicted Big Brother tailoring the propaganda to each audience (or did he?).

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 12:40 pm #

        As far as deaths and suffering, I don’t think this comes close to WWII and the holocaust, and I think the holocaust was exaggerated! But the world economy destruction, that is huge.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

        What does America get out of it? The Globalist Elite don’t care as America is just one of their vehicles to World Power, albeit the largest. They didn’t get to where they are by being timid. If it fails, they’ll try something else down the line.

        • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 8:27 pm #

          The Globalist Elite don’t care as America is just one of their vehicles to World Power

          Where exactly is this “Globalist Elite” situated? A castle in Luxembourg? A ski chalet in Davos? A condo in South Miami Beach? A grass hut in Tahiti?

          Please explain.

          • liber8tor April 11, 2020 at 8:28 am #

            The Globalist Elite live in the Eccles Building, corner of NW 20th St and Constitution Ave.

          • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

            The globalist elite toadies & functionaries reside in the Eccles Building whilst their betters command from afar in luxury & opulence beyond our imaginations by orders of magnitudes.

            fixed it.

            RW

          • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:14 pm #

            Why should he answer that when you still won’t expound on your claims about the coming White Ethonstate?

            When does it arrive, and why has Trump failed to implement it as you told us he would?

          • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 5:47 am #

            Why should he answer that when you still won’t expound on your claims about the coming White Ethonstate?

            To whom is this directed? And I expect it should actually be ethnostate … ethonstate sounds more a brand of gas.

          • Nightowl April 12, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

            Correcting an obvious typo, and failing to update us on his wacky conspiracy.

            Cargill’s brainpower knows no limits.

            NO LIMITS!

      • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 4:18 am #

        If the US initiated, even by accident, this scourge, it will be the end of the US as we know it today. It will finish the destruction of the goodness of the dollar, which will finish off the world economy.

        How can you possibly say this?

        The US has initiated all sorts of very bad stuff for decades and decades – a lot f it exceptionally evil – but you’ve got away with it. What’s changed?

      • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 3:13 am #

        Anyone who links to “breitbart” (LOL) loses ll credibility immediately – as if they had any to start with LOL. If you’re going to post links comrade, at least make them to something semi-legit, and semi-respectable.

    • NWO April 10, 2020 at 10:58 am #

      You’re definitely barking up the right tree, malthuss.

      • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

        Thank you. I need a little encouragement, now and again.

        I took a walk this morning. It was eerily quiet out there.

        Los Angeles, shut down.

        Vegas I hear is worse, not shut down but collapsing. I guess the Chinese ‘carpet baggers’ will step in.

    • holdfastspike April 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

      this is closest to truth if it even matters at this point. https://tennesseestar.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-expert-says-virus-could-have-leaked-from-wuhan-lab/

    • John1945 April 10, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

      Well,Mr.Malthuss,I can answer your plea for Truth with a 4 letter acronym:SSDD,which stands for Same Shit Different Day.

      Remember “Pentagon Papers” ? Thats how CIA shifted blame on Pentagon,although it was OSS-CIG-CIA who ran things there since 1943

      US Army has Chemical Corps school at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri.They train there MOS 74D – Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear specialists.And not much else.It is not Army’s business to design poisons.

      Fort Detrick is 100% CIA laboratory.After September 11,2001 attacks somebody mailed letters containing anthrax,5 lowly postal office clerks died and one particular company immediately received $5B to install anthrax-detecting equipment.

      Roughly speaking there were 2 different strains of anthrax.One may be called Russian anthrax and the other CIA-designed anthrax.

      Investigation went on for a couple of years and eventually this particular anthrax strain which was mailed led to Fort Detrick.

      Scientist-Chief investigator conveniently committed suicide:

      Scientist In Anthrax Case Dead Of Apparent Suicide

      https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93161970

      And the Wall Street Journal (no less !!!) published a photo of Fort Detrick.A grey concrete wall with a brand new sign “US Army Biochemical Research Facility Fort Detrick”

      Shameless fucks,pardon my French.

      • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

        Command structure & bureaucratic architecture ensure biohazard is engineered to lend well to plausible deniability if it is intentionally released, or otherwise accidentally released on an unwitting world. If COVID-19 was intentionally released there is already a vaccine to ensure health of the aggressor nation that released it. If it was an honest accident we will find that out via the genome/genotype forensic fingerprint.

        If it was organic we would not have exponential genetic drift within a few months as spread would be much more adaptable for tertiary care whereas in this instance it has crashed most tertiary care hospitals & staff volume.

        RW

        • John1945 April 10, 2020 at 7:29 pm #

          “If this were a graduating class of CIA case officers, my advice would be short and to the point: Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter-accusations”

          Porter Goss,CIA Director 2005-2006

          https://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2006/05/07/Goss-shy-on-talk-of-Bush-shake-up.html

          And to think,Mr.Goss is a Yale graduate…

          Lux et Veritas,my a$$

          I am watching CIA antics since early 70’s out of the idle scientific curiosity.And because Truth is stranger than a Fiction.

          • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

            All government civil servants advocate no admission to liability at any time whatsoever.

            Never admit liability is a truism in the Corporate world. Liability is always commissioned to legal departments.

            RW

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:18 pm #

        But Cargill wants you to explain where the deep state is.

    • Soloview April 12, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      Another day, another batshit-crazy coronavirus theory. Noone, and I mean, noone, seems to understand the meaning of “fact” these days. SARS-Cov-2, survives on metal surfaces 2 hours or 15 days, depending on whose alterior motives dictate the cipher. The virus is now detected 15 yards from an infected person, the Ro of the virus would be 6 or 7 if we don’t practice shelter in place, rigorously, that is if we don’t arrest and fine people who walk their dogs through parks between 8 am and 7 pm. Funny, that people on Clusterfuck Nation should look for facts at China’s People’s Daily website while, at the time when Shi Zhengli’s 2015 scientific breakthrough in creating a version SARs in her lab, capable of jumping from bats to a typically human cell receptor without an intermediary, disappears from the internet. Shi Zhengli, as I am sure malthuss knows, is the director of coronavirus research at Wuhan Institute of Virology. In 2020 she authored the official Chinese theory of Covid19 origin that it most likely originated in bats shitting on pangolins later sold in Huanan wet market 300 yards from one of her labs. So why do the Chinese commies have two contradicting theories about the origin of the virus? Well, actually, they only have one, the batshit theory. The “Americans did it”, may be just a smokescreen to let the world know that the Americans too have been fiddling with genetic modification of the SARS virus (and longer than China!!!!), just in case the truth about the origin of the virus leaks from their top-secret vault. For now the “scientific” proof is with Shi Zhengli. “I swear on my life”, she said,”that [the virus] has nothing to do with our laboratory”. Incidentally, the Wikipedia article on her, reveals that her research started as a joint project with University of North Carolina’s, Ralph S. Baric. But the funding for this project was cut by Obama in 2014, so she went on her own in Wuhan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli

  2. benr April 10, 2020 at 10:01 am #

    What am I doing wrong not only did I pay everyone I owed but I actually paid off a credit card and have a little left over. This in spite of being in California where we pay through the nose for everything except maybe local produce.

    • draupnir April 10, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

      Now would probably be a good time to max out your credit card and default.

  3. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 10:07 am #

    The illegal Immigrants tend to live 10 people to a small urban apartment. They’ll all be infected. Don’t take an Uber taxi or order UBER Eats delivery.

  4. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 10:08 am #

    “Joe Biden, who is a rapist and a friend of Jeffrey Epstein, is a good friend of mine.”

    – Bernie Sanders

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 10:48 am #

      Really :-)? I’m gonna have to find that quote.

    • benr April 10, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

      By what metric do you call someone a rapist?
      Not a fan of either Joe Biden Jeffery Epstein or Bernie Sanders.

      We know Joe is creepy and pervy as hell legendary perv status as public knowledge via female special agents being forced to watch him swim nude and all the videos of him pawing and sniffing at little girls hair but rapist?

      • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

        He paws at more than their hair.

        Why can so few people just say it.

        It is on video, for crying out loud.

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

      Pucker,

      I suppose that is a paraphrase.

  5. K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 10:08 am #

    That says it. From the first sentence to the last writing todays’ writing rings with the clarity of a fine bell. The grim reaper knocks on the door of growth, and the age of limits arrives. Days of dark raging pain lie ahead but from the ashes of this crumbling empire perhaps the birth of something else entirely new shall arrive. ‘What rough beasts, their hour come round slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? We shall be finding out!

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 10:44 am #

      The twenty first century Fourth Turning in progress? Is it just the beginning? The 20th century Crisis was 15 years long including the Depression and WW2. The High that emerged was a very different America and world.

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      So basically covid or “covid” just pushed Humpty Dumpty off the wall huh? He was basically already falling off the edge when the covid puff knocked him off completely. so much opportunity right now!

      • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 11:53 am #

        All the king’s horses and all the king’s men could not put Humpty Dumpty back together again post-Lehman debacle. They ringfenced the toxic waste over the last 12 years and planned before hand to implode the global economies of the world in the process of re-establishing themselves as global financial arbiters once again.

        Unfortunately, we will be entering a martial law state that has taken the military road to hegemony in hopes of overcoming China & Russian Federation One Belt One Road de-Americanization & de-dollarization writ large across the board.

        Insolvency at $24 trillion USD is intractable at best. Thermonuclear World War Three will be announced shortly I am sure.

        Herbert Hoover was despised when the Great Depression hit hard in an election year.

        FDR presidency will be ushered in no matter what now that taxpayers are circling the drain.

        RW

        • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

          So you do think a nuclear war is coming? Won’t that ruin it for everyone on the planet? I dunno. I could see martial law happening in parts of Europe but probably not in the US. Maybe they are pushing for war to help the economy? That is sort of their motto isn’t it?

          • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

            USA MIC cannot stand the fact that China is eating their lunch & dinner leaving them with meager rations & table scraps for Imperialist dogs of financial war.

            First Strike thermonuclear conflagration is certainty given the rollout of bioweaponized COVID-19.

            RW

        • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 5:52 pm #

          The Russians are not in bed with globalism.

          China is the base of operations, and much of the West has sold out. The Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc., are not part of it.

          • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 6:21 pm #

            Look at Russian Federation and energy deals with EU, plus OPEC. Now tell me they are not part of De-Americanization & de-dollarization, Nightowl.

            RW

          • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:16 am #

            You have made my point for me. Russian energy deals with EU states are verboten among the globalist crowd.

            That is exactly how the Ukraine conflict kicked off.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 9:47 am #

            So now Merkel’s not a globalist? She’s all for the energy deal isn’t she? I thought she was evil globalism personified. It’s so hard to keep up.

            And if the virus affair is a globalist conspiracy, how come Putin’s falling for it and preventing more than 2 people meeting in the street? Him not being a globalist an’ all.

          • Nightowl April 12, 2020 at 1:21 pm #

            She is a globalist. Germany also needs Russian gas. Imagine that.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

            So your point was pointless. Right. Imagine that/

    • Soloview April 12, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      I decided two years ago I don’t want to do contracts any more. I cut down on my spending and live now on half the money I used to spend. I can’t say I really miss anything of the stuff I cut out. I feel comfortable, quite comfortable.

  6. Epicur April 10, 2020 at 10:10 am #

    “I know this, too: the financial side of the gasping global economy was running off the rails …”

    We were, and are, morphing into the realm of Modern Monetary Theory (the crisis helps by greasing the skids). MMT will “work”, but it requires even more, and more and more, government intervention into the economy and into our lives.

    Eventually whoever is in “control” of the situation(s) will come to realize what a drag on the system the unproductive are. During that same time international friction will increase. Then the problem will solve itself in a slow grinding fashion if we are lucky, rapidly, if not.

    The future belongs to whoever shows up.

    • WayfaringStranger April 10, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

      With all the garbage haulers and truckers declared “critical essential” and the high and mighty deemed officially worthless stuck at home in their foyered McMansions, I’ve been thinking it’s weird how “the first are last”, and the meek (low-caste people) have temporarily inherit the whole pile of shit. It’s pretty interesting.

      What I haven’t done is find pithy value in old Woody Allen quotes. He’s probably one of the former-first who should be way at the back of the Value Line right about now. it wold be nice if when this is all over (hahaha) the “global reset” would actually remain in the sense that down-to-earth people grocery store clerks are respectable, and not hedge fund rapists, and that (as long as I’m wishful-thinking) we’d reverse to a societal state where people are judged by their behavior and character and not the vales posted on the Daily Intersectional Human Value Evening News Report…but of course I’m a fool and none of that will happen. Even this last 48 hours or so we can see a re-assertion of the same old battle forces getting back to their same old rhetoric.

      • WayfaringStranger April 10, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

        “Showing up..” etc as stated in the previous by Epicur being the Woody Allen quote I meant.

  7. malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    OT in Chicago:

    Well, street crime here may have went back to normal but the political — was off the charts this week.

    20 killed (including a veteran who was pushed in front of a moving subway train) and 42 more wounded (including a 5-year old).

    No matter. Cook County Jail has been emptied by our SJW state’s attorney (only 250 inmates remain in custody). I have been busy responding to shots fired and armed robbery calls. So it seems

    Mayor Larry can’t control her own people and doesn’t want to try.

    This three-inch fool rather make PSA videos of how to wash your hands and take her frustrations out on the remaining white businesses and residents here. T

    he orders from city hall and police HQ came down to ticket people outside exercising and to form vehicle checkpoints on the streets. No word on how they plan on dealing with Dude Inc congregating and planning their murder and mayhem on our city streets and subway trains though.

    If there is one positive to all this it’s that the vast majority of CPD are refusing to comply with unlawful orders like roadblocks and ticketing pedestrians…mostly out of self-preservation. When this “pandemic” is over it won’t be the leftist politicians who are held accountable and sued by the ACLU. Better to stand down and get suspended for disobeying a direct order than face federal civil rights violations. Besides I’m pretty confident the concealed-carry crowd in this city can take care of themselves. I almost feel sorry for the Chicagoan’s who didn’t arm themselves while they had the chance before this lockdown started. It’s going to be a bloody year. I’ll keep you posted.

    /report from Chicago.

    • Helen Highwater April 10, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

      Every morning when I wake up I give thanks that I don’t live in the US of A.

      • benr April 10, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

        Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and Los Angeles is not normal in these United States they are liberal enclaves of despair and destruction.
        Parts of the mid west, South, nor east and rural California people still don’t bother to lock their front doors.

        • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 6:17 am #

          Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and Los Angeles is not normal in these United States they are liberal enclaves of despair and destruction.

          It’s got nothing to do with being liberal or otherwise – it’s got to do with generations of systemic repression and discrimination creating a large urban underclass who are going to commit crimes. Not rocket science.

          Parts of the mid west, South, nor east and rural California people still don’t bother to lock their front doors.

          I live in a city of 4.5 million, and about five miles from downtown – it has a very liberal government, but I don’t need to lock my door. We don’t have a class of urban poor.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

        Canada is filling up with minorities too, Hel. That’s what it comes down to.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8197403/Man-stabs-death-three-women-injures-fourth-shot-killed-police.html

        A Black Muslim. Was it Jihad or just the usual Ooga Booga? Not a word about it in the media. Thank God for the Daily Mail and RT. Needless to say, if it was a White man, this would be on all the news, local, national, and international. And if it had been a White man who killed three Black women, it would have been an international incident leading to mass rioting and calls for Revolution. Meanwhile you placate yourself with the notion that people are just people.

        • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

          Trudeau the elder gave CANADA a mosaic of ethnicity which enable major diversity amongst equals in our nation. Canadians like the ethnic diversity especially in metro-Toronto & metro-Vancouver. Montreal likely has the diversity of France.

          The United States of America is a melting-pot ethos, Janos.

          RW

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

            France is no longer all that French. They’ll be a minority in a few short decades. You’re a fool, Bob.

            Diversity? Vancouver is Chinese in large parts. But those parts are diverse, right Bob? Even though White parts are not? Care to explain how that works to the hoi polloi?

          • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 6:10 pm #

            COVID-19 broke the immigration influx worldwide, Janos. CANADA has even closed walk-in refugee claimants to the Quebec backdoor cross-border illegal route which was always open to new entrants if they made it there on foot.

            Post-COVID-19 will be qualitatively & quantitatively different from what it was before this manifested.

            When I moved to Ottawa from Toronto back in the early 70s the population of Ottawa was all white with few Canadians of African origins and no people of colour in bureaucracy. Today the ethnic diversity is very prominent compared to the stark reminder of the 70s in contradistinction.

            I firmly believe that Canadians have adapted well to the ethnic mosaic built by Trudeau way back when. Vancouver is primarily Asian due to Financialization & asset inflation era as well as geolocation to China in terms of travel. The weather is much more reasonable seasonally as well.

            RW

          • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 6:26 am #

            I firmly believe that Canadians have adapted well to the ethnic mosaic built by Trudeau way back when. Vancouver is primarily Asian due to Financialization & asset inflation era as well as geolocation to China in terms of travel. The weather is much more reasonable seasonally as well.

            Hear, hear, Robert.

            Australia has also benefited enormously from its post-WWII immigration policies. Up until the 1970s it was the most boring plain vanilla. At my wife’s primary school they have an International Day feast – there are about 80-90 different nationalities represented.

            But they are all still proud little Aussie kids. No-one is born a racist or white supremacist … you learn bigotry from your parents.

      • Iananna April 11, 2020 at 7:55 am #

        As does every other sentient being – whenever I hear claims that such & such a Prez candidate would take the Benighted States isolationist I think “PLEEEEEZ!”

  8. shotho April 10, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    There’s no where else for the newly-made ‘money’ to go but asset markets. Oh, some of the ‘stimulus’ to households will go to immediate consumption and, yes, when business tepidly reopens there will be a lot of pent-up demand to unleash. But, the flows will have to continue and the deficits and debts will explode. The balance sheet of the Federal Reserve will soon be over 10 trillion dollars and we will be in a new bubble that simply cannot be fathomed. Maybe the day of reckoning will be postponed or not. The next 2-3 years will be fascinating to watch and, no, all of your preparation will not provide much certainty.

    • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:24 am #

      fascinating, no horrifying.
      Mile long line for free food > Drudge.

    • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 10:47 am #

      Thank you for this RaymondR. The first step on the road of nationalization I’ll guess. Collect the assets. How else are Republicans going to keep an industry that can’t make a profit going? Taxpayer money for assets with a negative yield is now the economic policy of the land. Negative Robin Hood. The status-quo is the strategic interest. Or the money just gets printed and the common people are taxed via inflation. One can quibble about the trillions of stimulating details all day.

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 10:49 am #

      Yeah, as money owed is not returned to the finance community, their reserves will dry up. Fracking will shut down due to lack of credit.

    • WayfaringStranger April 10, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

      The shale “boom” was a planned obsolescence project from the start. Physical limitations dictated that. It could not have possibly been otherwise, not in this universe.
      That those who got got while the gettin’ was good (at the expense of Little Guy’s wells, walls, and personal welfare)…it had to end, and that it ends being blamed on convoluted financial blatherings will have been no accident either.

  9. malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:22 am #

    Drudge had a link to ‘mile long line for free groceries’ at Thomson Reuters site but the article below it really caught my eye,

    The COVID-19 pandemic has left hundreds of trans people in limbo as they wait for surgery, threatening their mental health.

    • Walter B April 10, 2020 at 10:29 am #

      I had no idea that they even had mental health.

      • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:43 am #

        oxy moron?

        they live in a fantasy of ‘gender by self definition.’

      • benr April 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        As crisis looms society has less time for the trivial or the ridiculous.
        Transgender is nonsense in the scheme of just surviving.
        57 genders is nonsense in the scheme of just surviving.
        Seems most of the liberal and progressive agenda can florish when life is “easy” add in hard times and people simply don’t have the time to worry about such nonsense.

        • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

          yes. JHK mentioned how cheap oil made things nice and there
          wont be time for [I forget his terms] outdoor sports and fake survival games.

    • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

      Link? Of all the drivel published by the Fake Nooz, this has got to be one of the most fitting headlines of our time.

  10. neon sky April 10, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    The governor of my liberal, prog state is talking about tracking the citizenry once the cell doors are opened and they let us out. The sugar coating on this is that it will be done in the name of keeping us safe and healthy. Welcome to China.

  11. K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 10:31 am #

    JHK can’t be coaxed into a hoax. Nor can I.

    The reality of only one a bat being behind the COVID scourge is less glamorous than any conspiracy. But conspiracy is preferred because the unknown is more scary. An evil conspiracy is less scary for many people than the unknown and everywhere people are loosing their shit.

    But there is a conspiracy. Actually many of them. It’s not only one small group of people, it’s hundreds and thousands of groups large and small, all scrabbling for advantageous position for the day the angel of death finally passes by.

    Among those scrambling for advantageous positions are our leaders. Leaders who through incompetence let this thing be as bad as it is yet going to be.

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 10:58 am #

      Yes! Layers. So many layers.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

        Wheels within wheels.

        • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

          And flying wheels too!

    • PeteAtomic April 10, 2020 at 10:59 am #

      I agree with your sentiments there K-Dog. It’s not a hoax, obviously.. and I noticed the Wisconsin DNC there wanted to cancel the democrat primary because of this..one of your examples of people trying to take advantage of this situation.

      “election cancellation” = totalitarianism

      • LagingRunatic April 10, 2020 at 11:16 am #

        Pete – what is particularly amazing about this is that I have Democratic friends in Wisconsin who see this as a Republican assault on democracy, because they would not allow the Democratic governor to cancel the primary – even though the date of said election is apparently written into the Wisconsin state constitution, according to those same friends. WTF? I can easily see that the Wisconsin Democrats were in an unenviable bind around this (when I’m being charitable; Holy Week is good for that), but I can also imagine the howling on their part if roles were reversed.

        The globe is presently wheels within wheels of shitshow, some rooted in criminal cleverness, but I think a lot more is rooted in doltish team loyalty that means never really having actually to think about things.

        • venuspluto67 April 10, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

          Governor Evers wanted to turn it into a mail-in vote primary with an extended deadline for getting the ballots in, not cancel the election. The GOP wouldn’t have it because they never met a form of voter-suppression they didn’t like, even a very possibly lethal one.

          • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 6:37 am #

            Exactly right … the Republicans know that they lose every contest if a lot of people are allowed to vote – voter suppression is their only path to survival.

            Trump said so himself – mail-in ballots mean the Reubs lose.

          • LagingRunatic April 13, 2020 at 10:16 am #

            VP67 – I get your paranoia, but how precisely does “suppressing” a Democratic primary benefit the Republicans? Was Wisconsin the state that was going to make Bernie into the Democratic front-runner?

            And Cargill – how can Republicans LOSE a Democratic primary?

            Like I said before, WTF?

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

        It’s not a hoax, it’s the flu. They are using our terror of death against us. Dying is often very unpleasant. As C.S Lewis said, Men must endure their going forth.

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:06 am #

      KDFP

      Step up to the podium.

      How do we remove the status quo, the rot that is the Deep State, that currently inhabits the vaunted halls of DC. Is there a Mister Smith that can change the landscape there? How do we get rid of both sides of the aisle, because each group is rotten to the core?

      Trump was the Great White Hope of the Midwest in 2016, He was going to drain the swamp, take the Deep State away from the scum bums. Something happened on the way to the Forum. It is a sad election season this year. We know Trump, we sorta know Biden, but not the Progressive class Biden. Both candidates will probably run all the lemmings off the cliff during the next four years. If we make it to November.

      TDS is still in place, as an attempt to pin some sort of blame for emptying HRC’s toy box. Lately, even Deep State opponents are getting wary of Trump. Unfortunately, Trump vs, Biden.

      This country is in deep s**t.

      • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 4:25 pm #

        My basic plan is to do things the exact opposite the way Trump does things. Trump does not respect professional advice but I’ll be using professional input on every decision I make. I’ll be considering all sides and then I’ll do what I want. Two or three people would be waiting outside the oval office ready to advise every day. On every decision I’ll be asking; what is the smart move that is best for the nation?

        Penury considerations and special interests created the mess the way it is now. Passionate professional want results and they don’t care about money. Such people in the current system are ignored. Left to themselves they would not be fiscally responsible. That is where I come in. I’ll provide the balance to keep the raw intellectual horsepower of dreamers in check. Dreamers who already have answers that are ignored in the current system.

        I am not the status quo. Trump claims not to be but that is because he is the bad cop of the uni-party good cop bad cop show. I am third party and owe nothing to the establishment. I’ll make sure the establishment starts paying their fair share.

        KDFP

      • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

        Barr was on TV talking about prosecutions again. Durham is still busy.

        Oh ye of little faith. They didn’t tour the 5EYES countries for nothing.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

      Yeah, some people rebel by overthrowing nations. Some by not flushing the toilet. The former are the more significant.

      Likewise, Conspiracy among the Elite is to be taken very seriously. Nice try, lil dodgy doggy.

      • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

        Not flushing the toilet is shit. The elite narcissist, (not the one in the oval office), I mean a intellectually elite one, which Trump is not. Such people think they are special just because they grok problems.

        So what, if they don’t do anything with what they know they might as well not exist. But then if all they do is revolt, then they don’t create anything good. We need a Darius.

        KDFP

    • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 2:27 pm #

      all scrabbling for advantageous position

      those scrambling for advantageous positions = K-Dog

      ============

      Come on Dog, is it scrabbling or scrambling? A little consistency please.

      • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

        m or b ?

        Scrabbling –, to scratch or scrape, as with the claws or hands. See more.

        Scrambling –, to struggle or contend frantically in order to get something.

        When they make a keyboard for dogs paws I’ll do better. It was only a typo. Turns out though your confusion is justified. Under the right circumstances they can substitute for each other. So which one fits my beaning best?

        I’m scrambling for an answer.

    • WayfaringStranger April 10, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

      And yet, that’s a conspiracy theory in itself.
      You just prefer Scrambling Leaders who had the capacity to make it all go away, magic wand style, but willfully did not. In order to maximize their own positions.
      With a novel virus, no one is immune, are they.

  12. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 10:33 am #

    Fat Peoples

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTk5PyDSfo&t=794s

    • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 11:02 am #

      Not bad JustSaying. You may have started a my hoax is bigger than your hoax thread. Here is my offering.

      https://www.davidicke.com/article/567418/david-icke-live-london-real-today-330pm-uk

      David Icke has a video but you have to go to his website to watch it since it has been pulled off You-Tube and banned.

      • JustSaying April 10, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

        Yes, the CDC is forcing people to report deaths as covid-19 regardless of underlying conditions. The numbers are fake.

        https://www.globalresearch.ca/secretary-state-mike-pompeo-admits-covid-19-live-exercise-president-trump-comments-i-wish-you-would-have-told-us/5707223

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

          And thus the question is Why? If there’s no ill design afoot – WHY?

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

            I think I have intuited the main bird among several that they are killing with this stone: The November elections. We will be released from prison for the summer but oh, my, there will be a resurgence in fall, necessitating some easily tweaked election method, maybe mail-in ballots, or computer at home ballots or whatever.
            Because they need very desperately to get rid of Trump to continue their nefarious plans for world dominion, or even just to continue with business as usual. And they know he will win.

          • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 4:34 pm #

            If there’s no ill design afoot – Janos

            ==========

            No pun intended, right?

          • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 7:00 am #

            Because they need very desperately to get rid of Trump to continue their nefarious plans for world dominion, or even just to continue with business as usual. And they know he will win.

            Oh my goodness … I just love paranoia at this level.

            But I also love the breath-taking honesty … you admit that if there is a fair (safe) means to conduct the election, then the Repubs would lose. They need voter suppression to survive. Trump certainly does.

            Roll on 3 November.

        • WayfaringStranger April 10, 2020 at 9:27 pm #

          This is not true at all.
          The impact of reporting procedures will make the public numbers lower than they are, not higher.
          Here’s why –
          First you don’t get a test unless you have strong symptoms and YOUR DOCTOR orders one.
          Early on the false-negatives were high, up to 5 tests needed for a very sick corona patient to even test positive to be allowed further appropriate treatments. Test accuracy seems to improve herer, though many tests and PPE products from China are still total garbage.

          Anyway – if 5 test are given to the same guy because the tests are garbage (who has all the symptoms so they keep trying) , and he tests for Corona on the 6th try, think about the numbers of tests used up just on that kind of situation.
          6 tests, 1 positive. (but 1 guy) And that is what hits your local news.
          Number of tests, proven cases, deaths.
          And that’s what the death/infection rates are calculated from too.
          I know of people who had the weird symptoms but wanted to stay on the down-low, they got better but never had a disease like that ever before. And that was weeks ago. They kept it quiet, and our local numbers are VERY low officially, but they’re total crap.
          I’ve had some odd but mild symptoms that come and go myself but Hell NO I’m not calling a doctor till I flop on the floor like a fish.
          Then on to your local County Health Dept head. They are not required by law to report shit to CDC, they have discretion. Our local county health official is an incompetent asshole since way before this thing, don’t even get me started.
          Also in the case of death, the attending physician has discretion.
          If you have corona and the virus CAUSES multiple organ failure, including heart failure, the doctor COULD put the heart failure as cause of death if they want.
          Did the corona cause the death? or the heart? Like everything else in America it’s up to some fuckwit’s opinion.

          Every aspect of our society today is set up with an end result that no individual can know what the truth actually is. You can’t possibly see everything personally.
          You can’t trust news or leaders.
          And judging by Alex Jones’ recent flip-flopping bizarre statements lately, he’s not even consistent with his past self – you can’t trust conspiracy experts either.
          So no groups can form cohesive belief-bonds enough to act on anything. That is actually just like China and why the State hates/outlaws the Church there. NO lateral human bonding.
          Every isolated individual has to look to the State and only the State for guidance, EVEN when they distrust and despise the State. There is no one else on the playing field.
          So big picture, the numbers themselves don’t matter at all, its the way they are used that does matter.
          In the end we’re fucked either way. But if you go out thinking the virus itself is fake then you or someone you love could get a serious case. Play along till we’re all more sure.
          Dead bodies are hard to fake, the truth will come out some day. It always does. Be a tough guy later, not right now.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

        So you agree with what Youtube has done? If not, cut the smarm.

        Icke is an amazing man who has the right to be heard. I disagree with much of what he says in terms of his worldview, but he sees much.

        • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

          Why bother. He is a neoliberal and favors censorship if it censors what he doesn’t like.
          If he had to make a choice between admitting that Trump called it correctly with the hydrochloroquine/zinc versus letting people die without it, he would go with the latter.

        • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 4:50 pm #

          Oh hell no. You start banning and things get out of control. And we need comedy.

          “Icke is an amazing man who has the right to be heard. I disagree with much of what he says in terms of his worldview, but he sees much.”

          I totally agree.

      • UN OUT OF USA April 11, 2020 at 10:38 pm #

        K-Dog, thank you for posting the David Icke interview link.That was 2.5 hrs of non-stop information across a varied array of topics, all coalescing to the TPTB behind the curtain.

  13. PeteAtomic April 10, 2020 at 10:41 am #

    So is the DJIA going up because the Fed.Res. is making $4 Trillion USD available for corporate America, so large companies can buy their own stock, etc. ?? Or is the DJIA rising largely because of hopes & psychological factors?

    Is that what is happening?

    • bluedog April 10, 2020 at 10:57 am #

      Rather doubt it as corporate debt is at an all time high and profits are little to none,now as these debts come due with all the corporate money having going into stock buy backs,the only way the Dow keeps going up is with those trillions that the fed is dumping in, along with them buying everything including the kitchen sink.I’ve read where the melt down in 2007/08/09 cost $17 trillion dollars, while it bought them another ten years there’s not anything much they can do about this one.!!!!!

    • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

      The DJIA is up because of the Greenspan Put of $4 trillion which lets the Wall Street monetary heroin junkies know that Dr. Feelgood has a new batch of dope for sale cheap.

      The United States of America is now my closest Communist neighbour to the South of CANUCKISTAN.

      Welcome to the New World Disorder-NWD where the DJIA is always irrationally exuberant when the Treasury & Federal Reserve fund the largesse & provide permanent backstop for junk bonds & overvalued stocks that never crash back to rational equilibrium & mean reversion homeostasis.

      RW

  14. malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:42 am #

    hyper inflation?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMwIHZML4W8

  15. Walter B April 10, 2020 at 10:46 am #

    I sit through a number of Zoom conferences each week with the other mayors and county officials for “updates”. I don’t have the stomach to sit in on those hosted by Trenton or our state officials. Everyone thanks everyone for the oh so “useful” information on how much PPE is on the way. I am developing a severe disgust at even hearing that term anymore.

    I have begun commenting on how our county, touted as being so “wealthy” is really more like being more credit worthy than wealthy, and that we had better have one heck of a recover this Fall if anyone expects anything that even faintly resembles normalcy to return. I get silence at my comments and have to tell them that I am done talking so they can ignore what I said and go back to reminding themselves how they are there to help and all we have to do is ask. Of course the checks aren’t in the mail and the hours spent waiting on the phone for Social Security to report a death or the banks to report the fraud cases helps kill the time. Or try getting through to unemployment much less actually securing any checks from them. I am told that their computer system is 40 years old and not very functional. Have computers even been around for that long? I can’t recall, all I know is that everyone that I know including me has machines that are new or only a couple of years old. Personally, I think we are screwed. Wait until Fall, if we make it that long. Funny that they call it Fall, isn’t it?

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 11:03 am #

      How terrifying. More than anything it seems like this crisis shows how truly inept much of the government is, if not downright malicious and cold hearted.

      • Epicur April 10, 2020 at 11:31 am #

        That has always been the scene behind the curtain, only perception has changed.

        In the past the problems were not so overwhelming and TPTB could blow some smoke up our collective arses and claim to have solved the problems.

        Now, the illusion no longer works.

      • Walter B April 10, 2020 at 11:39 am #

        Terrifying and sad, but mostly pathetic. The system of governance laid down by the founding fathers has degraded into a popularity contest where the grinning idiots that get elected spend half of their time staying in office and the other half sucking the real value out of those that create it. The only thing that would save this nation would be for all of them to magically disappear so that the functional government workers could do what has to be done to try to save it all. This probably isn’t even possible because what has to be done would not be popular and would certainly offend people. I think a crash and burn will be far more productive unfortunately.

        • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

          This is why you need to legalize marijuana, Walter. Heck, think of all the smiling faces around the council table when you announce that your riding is going to legalize marijuana and collect new tax on the stash of recreational drugs you will have authority over once the Federal Government of the USA starts growing it for you for retail sales & tax.

          Don’t worry about the poseurs & narcissist politicians, Walt. Just focus on the Finance & taxation.

          RW

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

          Yes, to be there must be terrifying. We both know who inhabits the Cities of the Jersey Coast. They won’t be going east, south, or north when the time comes, but rather due west towards you.

          • Walter B April 10, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

            Not terrifying but exciting. We occupy the high ground and will be considering it more of an entertainment event than a catastrophe. Remember it is not whether you win or lose, but how well you fight that counts!

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 2:27 pm #

            Bravo, that’s the spirit. How about the Pine Barrens? Are they ready for the Dark Tide too? Even if they don’t have the high ground, they have the swamps and woods. The Dark Men fear the Northern Forests.

          • Walter B April 10, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

            As well they should! The Pineys are a tough bunch to be sure and the terrain is much as you describe it so yes it will be tough going for the miscreants .

      • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:43 am #

        How about that!

        • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:45 am #

          And remember that the Progressive Democrats want this rotten crypt of a government to run our lives.

    • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

      Hey Walt, here in MA they are on the ball. They are paying the UI right on schedule. My wife worked in an office part time , (laid off 3/20)not because she needed the money but it gave her something to do. She not only gets her UI but “they” are putting an extra $600 in her bank account every week.Go figure. She is making way more now than she ever did working part time. No where to go and nothing to do. I figure it is just another bank bailout as most people will be using it to pay credit cards and mortgages.

      • BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

        Well, time to get that new S&W M66 you’ve been wanting RIP. $600 will just about cover it.

        • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 6:21 pm #

          Damn straight buddy. The fukin’ gubiner shut down the shootin’ range. I thought the club would be excempt. Private property and all. Rights? what rights? This is the new paradigm. Because I said so!

    • sprawlcapital April 10, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

      Walter: Have computers even been around for that long? (40 years)
      =================================================

      The original IBM PC was introduced on August 12,1981.

      The apple II was released in June, 1977.

      These were, of course, both personal computers.

      Mainframe computers are much older, the first of them filling entire rooms in many cases and running on vacuum tubes. The world’s first computer was the Attanosoff-Berry machine, developed just thirty miles from Des Moines, at Iowa State University, around 1936.

  16. LagingRunatic April 10, 2020 at 10:52 am #

    If this is a hoax, then Chris Martenson fell for it a few months ago and has been providing almost daily updates on its progression. I’ve yet to find a source about this pandemic that is as thorough and rigorous about the available data and its possible interpretations as his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf

    Besides that actual information, though, my primary “reason” for thinking this isn’t a hoax boils down to a gut reaction to the shitshow that is the USAmerican infotainment news media. When SARS and MERS appeared, and Ebola and Zika, the news media shat themselves in utter panic, yet nothing happened here in the U.S. This time, though, the same news media fell over themselves to ignore or downplay the severity of this new virus, even as Chris Martenson’s videos were pointing out that it might be different this time. (At this point, if the news media tells me it is going to be sunny, I pack my umbrella.)

    • NWO April 10, 2020 at 10:54 am #

      Depends on how you define “hoax,” I guess.

      • LagingRunatic April 10, 2020 at 11:06 am #

        As for me, I think the disease itself is definitely NOT a hoax (Marteson has presented compelling data for over two months) and is the consequence of the hypercomplexity-meets-limits-to-growth Jim has critiqued for 15+ years.

        With regard to the responses to it from multinationals and governments, though, I can totally buy into as many hoax and conspiracy theories as you’re selling, because at this point, I think those institutions are hoaxes (powerful ones, sadly) primarily benefiting small conspiracies of evil motherfuckers. See: https://runesoup.com/emails/what-a-difference-holy-week-makes

        • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

          The thing that makes me chuckle is that people think something like this could not have been created and pushed to further someone’s ends.

          We just sat through a massive conspiracy to oust a sitting US president that involved the FBI, CIA, DOJ, the FISA court, and intelligence services in multiple foreign countries.

          All of them coordinated together to spy on a campaign and admin, leak stories, and overturn the results of an election. We have witnessed most of Western media march in lockstep, and be caught pushing so many fake stories, that it is no longer to keep track of them.

          But this virus. It is surely exactly what they tell us it is. Nothing to see here, move along.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:07 pm #

            “Some are dying a horrible death; others have mild symptoms; others have no symptoms, but spread it.”

            Why do you find that weird? That’s what’s happening. Kids are hardly affected. Some people who aren’t aware of having had it have tested positive.

            ” The virus remains in us and can activate at any time.”

            You mean like … all sorts of other persistent viruses?

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8538/

            We’re still finding out about this one. Why do you find that so strange? Seems to me you’re just into your own variety of fear porn when it comes to the presumed circumstances. Imagine that.

            A Scottish nurse came back from helping in the earlier Ebola outbreak, without it being picked up. She was in isolation in hospital for months, was eventually cleared, and months later she started to experience symptoms again. It turned out the virus was latent and living in the vitreous or aqueous humour of her eye. You talk as if such things didn’t happen. How do you think people get cold sores? After the first infection of herpes simplex it remains latent for life.

          • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:19 am #

            You might as well just give up then. You’ve clearly already got it and just don’t know it.

            It is everywhere and nowhere. No escape. FEAR.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 8:12 am #

            I’m not living in FEAR. I’m just paying attention. And I go to the shops more often than most on here – doubtless more than you. Nobody in the shops is freaking out – they’re just taking precautions. At least in the relatively small ones I go to.

            I sometimes wonder if I’ve already had it. Probably not but it’s a nice thought. It would also mean my husband was at less risk with the papery crap he’s been given as ‘protection’. But at our age, it would be surprising if we’d got off so lightly so I’m not presuming.

            He says ‘it’s everywhere’ as well, but with a shrug of the shoulders. Que sera sera. Nothing much will happen to you, in all likelihood.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 9:50 am #

            “The thing that makes me chuckle is that people think something like this could not have been created and pushed to further someone’s ends.”

            “But this virus. It is surely exactly what they tell us it is. Nothing to see here, move along.”

            You’re actually really good at this FEAR PORN thing, Nightowl. Don’t sell yourself short.

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      I know. Dr. Martenson has really been the best source of info on the virus for me too. I feel the same too. I thought it was going to be real serious. Especially because the same people in gov and media were saying it was nothing at all two months ago and he thought it was more serious. I just figured then they wanted us to die. I still think they want us to die. Why should they ever be trusted?

      • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 11:11 am #

        This guy explains how it kills you better than anybody I have seen.
        https://youtu.be/4J0d59dd-qM The Dr. has a channel.

        • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:14 am #

          Read his explanation and understood it. It is weird how these viruses, Covid19 and HIV are attacking weak points in our immune systems, like they have “learned” what we cannot fight against.

        • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

          Thank you for sharing K-Dog. ARDS. I love his teaching style. “Can I get an amen” and “why do you have a pimp?” LOL. Fun learning.

        • LagingRunatic April 10, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

          Great video K-Dog, thanks for sharing.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 8:10 pm #

          An alarmist wanting to become the new Dr Oz.

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:26 am #

      A report exists that says that 234000 Chinese came to the US during January before the Trump shutdown on the 30th. The people were escaping Wuhan. They entered the US through what are now our epicenters. Remember WHO saying that human to human contact did not transmit the disease. That was December and January. A government totally embroiled in impeaching the President just did not pay any attention. One month of Covid19 vectors streamed into this country in January. Without challenge. And Milan, and Tehran, both Chinese ports of call, just like NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. if the Chinese have figured out a way to stop the Virus and is just observing all its opponents burning to the ground, no wonder there are so many conspiracy theories.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

        And the MSM called him racist for closing the border to them, but then he was incompetent because he was too slow to react.

        • Majella April 10, 2020 at 5:57 pm #

          “And the MSM called him racist for closing the border to them” please find a reference to this statement. I cannot find one. The only thing a search points to is Himself accusing the media of calling him racist, but there’s nothing to substantiate that accusation (so what’s new there?)

          Nor when other (Australia & NZ for example) governments closed their borders to Chinese travel, there was no such ‘outrage’

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:28 pm #

            Ah, well, that was my memory. As to Australia and NZ, of course no one was outraged. Your presidents are not Trump.

  17. NWO April 10, 2020 at 10:53 am #

    The pre-Easter bear market rally on Wall Street has been a wonder, don’t you think? As the numbers of able-bodied people out-of-work rocketed up past ten million during the same period, the stock indexes shot up three, five, six percent a day? Say, what?

    Excellent observation, Jim. And perfectly indicative of the fact that the whole stock market Ponzi scheme casino operation bears no relation whatsoever to the real economy that it putatively represents. One day the rubes will figure that out, but until then, the beat goes on.

    Covid19. Definitely not what it’s represented to be either. Mostly just a financial, political, and social WMD. Beware the Trojan horse mandatory vaccine coming just around the bend. Might just wish the virus had got you first, then.

  18. goat1001 April 10, 2020 at 10:53 am #

    Mother Nature is tightening the screws. She says “You need me but I don’t need you!”.

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:11 am #

      Do not mess with Mother Nature!

  19. akmofo April 10, 2020 at 10:54 am #

    Honestly, how is it possible the whole planet punked itself? – JHK
    ==

    They real punking will start when they inject people with whatever they deem will cure these people of “their ills”. And they now have a long electronic trail to verify all these ills, don’t they? And if people refuse, well that will be a very awkward situation for them, wont it? Maybe they’ll make an exception on Bill Gates mandatory vaccination passports for the class of people who don’t believe in conspiracy, especially not a NWO global conspiracy. No, I don’t think so. Them happy people will also get VaXXed.

    • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 11:20 am #

      Fauci is lowering death estimates from 2M to 200,000 to now 60,000…which is about the same as the number from the seasonal flu. Happy coincidence, that’s all. So too was the 40% discount in stock prices and professional money buying at the lows.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

        Yes, and he is trying to weasel out of it by saying that the shut down and social isolation mitigated the original number, BUT the original estimate was put forward with as a mitigated number as well. He was wrong. Simple as that. Or lying.

        And if we subtracted all the fake Corona cases that are due to Corona Inflation, we might be in moderate or even mild flu territory.

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 2:55 pm #

          Don’t forget to add on all the Covid survivors who won’t survive as long as they would have done normally. Being on a ventilator for a couple of weeks will do enormous damage to people’s lungs. If you die six months later of lung or other organ failure due to the delayed effects of Covid (or the attempt to save you), you’ve died of Covid, but you likely won’t be counted as a Covid death.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 3:07 pm #

            Mrs Green, I’m shocked. Did you write this as sarcasm, or are you finally sincerely coming around to the reality of modern Nazi medicine?

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:30 pm #

            Have you no common sense or discrimination at all?

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

            Just to clarify, the above referred to an invasive ventilator. My apologies for the lack of precision. If I’m struggling to breathe I’ll take any non-invasive ventilator going, thanks.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

            Yeah, we need to keep them dumb soldiers fit for another day of war and mass murder, and nevermind what happens to them when the war is over, and that we destroyed their body and their soul with our Nazi medicines. They will die a silent hidden death, and our hands are “washed of it”, just like Pontius Pilate. So very Roman, so very Christian, so very reptilian, so very honest.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

            You poor thing.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 7:02 pm #

            Philadelphia bus rider dragged off bus by about 10 officers for not wearing a mask. This is how it’s going to be for anyone who ventures out without a mask or without an “immunity certificate” or whatever. Welcome to the NWO!

            Fun fun fun!

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 8:49 pm #

            I haven’t worn a mask and I’m out a couple of times every day, including to the shops – you watch too much fake news. The NWO doesn’t seem to know about my part of town. Or even my town.

            If I were a bus driver I presume it would be mandatory (and sensible into the bargain – bus drivers have already died of Covid).

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

            But I’m now the proud owner of two masks that my husband brought home from work so I guess I’ll keep them for that special occasion.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 8:51 pm #

            When I said mandatory for the bus driver, I meant over your way. The bus driver I saw who’d died didn’t have any protection.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 8:59 pm #

            They boil frogglings slowly. But eventually they do get cooked.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 9:05 pm #

            I’m Mad As Hell and I’m Not Gonna Take This Anymore!

            https://youtu.be/MRuS3dxKK9U

            NETWORK,
            Sidney Lumet,
            1976

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:09 pm #

            I agree you’re as mad as hell. No argument there.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 9:18 pm #

            I’ve been a good influence on you. You’re starting to stand up for yourself. There’s a little volcano ragging inside you. But you need to let it out, or doctor cancer will return.

            So let’s repeat after me:

            I’m Mad As Hell and I’m Not Gonna Take This Anymore!

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 9:20 pm #

            raging

        • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 2:58 pm #

          Indeed.

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:44 pm #

      Akmofo, did you see the above linked article by RFK Jr? It hits pretty hard against Gates. Gee, I think he will go down in history with the truly great misanthropists.

      • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

        Bill Gates had a chance to get off this sick train after seeing what it did to Africans. He did not. He is a mass murderer, and there’s no going around that.

  20. BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 11:01 am #

    Blizzard conditions in Maine right now.

    For most of you, just thank God you’re not in Maine.

    Brh

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 11:15 am #

      You know Brh, there was a big cyclone that passed Fiji this past week. Normally the you know whos would be out preaching about how we have burned the earth up and need to return to the caves to correct the situation. But oddly. Or not? I didn’t see much mention of it at all.

      • BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 11:33 am #

        SSL

        I have seen a few articles conflating the Corona Virus and Climate Change. Pretty much anything bad that happens in the world from here on in will be blamed on Climate Change, you can bank on it.

        Brh

        • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

          Absolutely! I’ve seen some headlines as well trying to tie the two together .

        • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

          Oh, I missed that! How did climate change cause the corona virus? How about Trump didn’t ratify the Paris accords and that caused the corona virus!?

          • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 5:03 pm #

            I’m somebody who you would expect to embrace the climate change causes Corona meme. I don’t and I can’t because that is irrational. Bat-shit crazy is the truth. Bats in wet markets caused Corona and the virus existed long before there was ever a human to do any climate change.

            Climate change likely affects the odds of a virus getting into the body of western industrial civilization true enough, but that western industrial civilization has no immune system, and international jets for a circulatory system, is not the fault of anyone but western industrial civilization itself. And the religion of Jeremy Bentham.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 12:30 pm #

            China has outlawed wet markets in perpetuity. And Vietnam is clamping down on the illegal trafficking of wild animals. They’re probably not the only ones over there.

            However people should be wary of complacency after the 1918 pandemic. Patient zero in Haskell County, Kansas, was an ordinary poor farmer, in a community that kept pigs, cattle, horses and chickens.

            It’s no accident that the main flu epidemics/pandemics we experience are avian flu and swine flu. Pigs and poultry are the most densely farmed livestock on the planet.

            Infected wild birds can poop anywhere – and US industrial farming is pretty repulsive when you get up close and personal.

            Bird flu isn’t unknown over here either, among intensive poultry farmers.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:37 pm #

        But they are really ramping up the Corona Racism angle. So some things never changer or won’t be allowed to.

        • BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

          Yes that too. The ‘Covid 19 is racist’ angle led the local news this morning.

          • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

            Your ability to sequester at home is a function of your economic health and social circumstances. To say there is not a race angle isn’t being honest. What the race perspective is I don’t know; but that it is there is obvious.

            Poor people get screwed. Approaching understanding of the issue from that point of view would be fair and save a lot of time.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

            Also the races differ in immunity needless to say, just as individuals do. Strange how you didn’t mention that. In any case, the sacred trope that Whites are always to blamed must always be maintained. Is there any more potent proof of Black inferiority?

        • SW April 10, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

          I saw an interview last week on PBS with a young African American female doctor who worked at a walk-in clinic in NYC. She said the majority of the cases she saw with corona-like symptoms were black patients but later in the interview mentioned the clinic was in a predominantly black area. Strange neither the interviewer or doctor put these two facts together.

  21. JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    Do you realize that if a whistleblowing source of information prophet shows up with the answer to all these questions and provides real solutions, they will have as much impact on humanity as Jesus, Or Mohammed or Buddha.

    K-dog?

    • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 5:10 pm #

      Hope for one then because a future for humanity is a hell of a lot better than being dust in the wind.

  22. SW April 10, 2020 at 11:11 am #

    The public is getting restless and with good reason. COVID-19 is certainly a real virus that can sicken & kill you but looking at countries who have handled it effectively, the mortality rate vs morbidity is low. Trump made a big mistake when he extended the lockdown to the end of the month. On Monday most of us will have been in seclusion for 3 weeks and the incubation time is 5 to 14 days. Even if we are silent carriers as Fauci is now saying to justify keeping us in lockdown, he’s going to have to roll out an effective test to prove it to keep everyone locked up.

    The doctors and public servants who have died with this virus were most likely overexposed and had a high viral load to deal with (constant exposure over and over again) until their immune systems were simply overloaded.

    A good book to read on the US bioweapons program is BITTEN by Kris Newby. Another about what a mess the polio vaccine really was is The Virus and the Vaccine by Debbie Bookchin. Bill Gates was on PBS and will be pushing the vaccine for coronavirus. No, I am not an antivaxxer just suspicious of any treatment, policy or medication we’re told is “for our own good” and we’re crazy, Ted Kazinski types if we dare to ask a question. Uncle Bill knows best.

    • LagingRunatic April 10, 2020 at 11:22 am #

      For once, I’d like to get through this comment section without adding more books to my to-read pile. 🙂

      • SW April 10, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

        Sorry. It can be hard to get more than superficial information thru articles so the recommendations are for those with more interest in specific topics.

        Bill and Melinda Gates did a massive vaccine program for malaria in Africa about 5 to 10 years ago and now he’s on TV presenting himself as an expert on infectious diseases. There’s no doubt he’s a smart man but ….. no one elected him to make policy.

        • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 5:11 pm #

          He has the money to elect himself.

        • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 10:54 am #

          He is also involved in our education process for years, trying to turn our children into Cannon fodder for the computerized, chipped stay at home generation. He is dangerous for a normal human society.

          Revenge of the nerd!

    • crazyhorsegarden@gmail.com April 10, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

      I finished “Spillover” byDavid Quammen. A 2012 book pondering the next human pandemic. He has a lot to say about the potential of SARS CoV virus and virus infections in general. Nice interesting read that convinces me there is no conspiracy, just complacency that is the blame for this current mess.

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:48 pm #

      If a half or a quarter of what Robert Kennedy says in this article is true, how is it that Bill Gates is not too publicly shamed to show his face?

      https://phibetaiota.net/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-bill-gates-satans-spawn-or-merely-a-geek-gone-mad-and-turned-traitor/

      • SW April 10, 2020 at 4:24 pm #

        B/c Gates is seen as a philanthropist and it’s a sacrilege to question him or his motives. I read about 10 years ago (and I don’t know if its true or not) that 30% of the people who worked for his companies had no benefits, they were contract workers. Like I said, I don’t know and I’m not an investigative reporter but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. They have very efficient PR departments to keep such annoying facts out of the news.

        Our own dear former governor, Rick Perry, was actively promoting the HPV vaccine for girls and guess what? He owned stock in the company!

        • K-Dog April 10, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

          Since I have been one of those employees I know the answer and it is yes SW. But now that we have a recession many
          of the contract will be laid off. The just in time employment of modernity. Employment without a safety net. Now they learn that their great hourly wage, approaching that of full time employees, was not so great after all. — KDFP (because I’m as smart as Bill nicer, and not an elitist).

          • SW April 10, 2020 at 6:18 pm #

            I figured it was true but had no proof other than the article. I can’t understand and will NEVER understand why these outrageously successful companies won’t treat their employees ethically. Look at Walmart — many who work there are on food stamps and Medicaid and they’re the lucky ones.

          • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 11:32 am #

            The company organization came from Harvard. Made by trust fund babies for other trust fund babies. It is all about establishing and maintaining a pyramid of power and privilege for all time.

            Where I am with it all now is if Microsoft won’t hire me full time they won’t hire me at all. Four times I played the fool for them and I won’t play that game again. I get phone calls all the time from the satellite employment agencies telling me about their great ‘opportunity with a client in Redmond Washington.

            The callers are always thick with Hyderabad India accents and are pushy. Besides Microsoft contract jobs are not challenging enough for me.

            KDFP because it is time to only let the 1% have money and not power. They do not deserve the power. The people do.

        • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

          Not a philanthropist, a misanthropist.
          Seen as a philanthropist by whom? I guess it depends on what circles you hang out in. I thought of him like Soros, a real bad actor in this world.

          The msm is NOTHING but a propaganda tool.
          One of my frustrations is that while many people sort of know that, they just don’t get it that it really means that what they hear on the news is either lies or spin.

          • SW April 10, 2020 at 6:21 pm #

            He was on PBS last night for a long interview with Judy Woodruff and he was definitely presented as a selfless do-gooder.

    • Nightowl April 10, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

      He didn’t make a mistake. Ending the lockdown now would be poor optics, much as with Wuhan. No one with an IQ above room temperature could believe that Wuhan is safe now — if this virus was as deadly as claimed.

      We are watching the ever shifting Fake Nooz narrative game being played once again. Alice in Wonderland techniques.

      The Fake Nooz narrative about the symptoms themselves should be a giveaway. Some are dying a horrible death; others have mild symptoms; others have no symptoms, but spread it.

      It is anything and everything.

      We have to flatten the curve, but the virus will never go away. The virus remains in us and can activate at any time. We must social distance, but those with no symptoms will spread it far into the future. Don’t leave your house, but if you do the subway is open. And on and on.

      Nothing makes any sense. I wonder why that is …

  23. James Kuehl April 10, 2020 at 11:20 am #

    The shift away from the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency is already well underway. We forget that it was not long ago (1945) that the US dollar replaced the British pound sterling. A few months ago, China and Japan announced plans to allow direct exchange between their currencies instead of having to by US dollars before converting them. The BRICS have also signed pacts allowing intra-BRIC trade. We are blinded by our false notion of American exceptionalism. By the time we face that reality it’ll be to late and we’ll be on the outside looking in,

    • JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 11:48 am #

      Maybe it is exceptional stupidity.

  24. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    I wonder when things will return to normal?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld1Ood-HF6A

  25. Vinnie the Vintner April 10, 2020 at 11:48 am #

    Markets screaming higher because that’s what they do in the distribution phase. Strong hands to weak hands. Very normal to get relief rallies of this magnitude; small caps up around 20% in a few days. Did you hear that big sigh of relief? All by design to keep the unsuspecting fully invested. How many times did the culpable CNBC clowns say “the bottom is in” this week? Another big sigh…………………..

    The majority of the “little guys and gals” (investable assets of less than $5 million) have not sold. They sell at the bottom. “Just get me out!”

    Chicken Little just hatched. Baby chick hasn’t looked up, yet. ALL CNBC pundits will simply say, “we just didn’t know it was going to get this bad.” You’re forgiven.

    This is very likely going to be the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. Just a few months ago I thought it would have been the boomers’ adult children pissing away their future inheritance, but that inheritance might have to sustain mom and pop for a while when this is all over.

    “Sequence of returns.” Get familiar with it. So many dumbasses with so many letters behind their name. A doctor friend just told me he lost 1/3 of his daughter’s college fund and she’s in college. WTF?

    Welcome to Doodyville.

    “I thought Doodyville was inside of the television. You know like, if television was this box and I went inside the box that was a television, I’d be in Doodyville.”

    Andy Kauffman

    • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

      How many times did the culpable CNBC clowns say “the bottom is in” this week? – Vinnie

      =============

      I think your characterization of the CNBC “clowns” is inaccurate. I watch the show religiously and have not gotten the impression that the consensus believes that “the bottom is in.”

      I hope to have more to say about ‘the market’ later tonight, perhaps.

  26. woe April 10, 2020 at 12:00 pm #

    If we don’t get out of lockdown soon, especially those undocumented immigrants that are needed in farming, there could easily be a food shortage in this country. This pandemic is going to destroying medium sized family farms. Since a lot of restaurants, cafeterias, schools are closed, those markets are closed to the farmers who service them. Those farmers are going to be ruined by this lockdown, no one to harvest produce, work in the slaughterhouses, and soon no feed to support the herds. The virus and economy are the least of our worries, wait to people can’t eat.

  27. doggersize April 10, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

    The United States had a much more Diverse and Robust economy during the 1957 Pandemic. Our Economy is much less Robust and Diverse today. Our Economy is Not As Diverse as it was in 1957. We have much less Diversity than during 1957.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

      Yes, the more diversity the less diversity as it drives businesses out. On the macro level, we offshored to China and other places, and brought in a diverse workforce to replace Whites. The former might make sense from strictly an economic pov for the managerial and owner class, but the latter? Only from the pov of the Highest Elite: a divided population is easily controlled by playing them against each other.

      • doggersize April 10, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

        Americans have favored retail over manufacturing for over 40 years. Some politicians and pundits are good at getting them upset over this, as long as they can also convince them our trade and manufacturing issues are someone else’s fault.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

          In other words, the main problem is people complaining about it, not the fact itself?

          Who cares what most people “think”. They think what they are told to think. The Truth isn’t democratic. The majority is always wrong, more or less – unless guided by a Truthful Elite.

          • doggersize April 11, 2020 at 10:32 am #

            “Elite” just means a minority. some combination of wealth, office, and intelligence. Depending on your preferences, James Howard Kunstler might be considered elite. Or hip hop moguls like Jay Z and Puff Daddy, and the Khardashians.

            Many Americans voted for a Celebrity GameShow host, professional billionaire, and WWE Smackdown Champion to be president just so they could Get Even with whoever they imagined the “elite” to be. Used as a slur, “elite” just means anyone more successful than a person who does not agree with that person, and that person also imagines is responsible for the world not lining up with whatever that person wants.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 8:12 pm #

            The Elite exist. Obviously sport’s ball players aren’t the controllers of society. You need to stop focusing on people’s perception and focus on the basic facts first – and only then secondary causes such as perception. Sheesh.

  28. sophia April 10, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

    Well, my considered take on corona virus is that it is real and potentially fairly dangerous, that it is new and presents differently than prior illnesses have. It was not true that it causes pneumonia and it isn’t ARDS, at least not unless you are very far gone. What it does is damage the hemoglobin so that it cannot deliver oxygen very well. Oxygen support is vital but not intubation.

    Therefore, there is a steep learning curve but some very hopeful new information is coming out and taking hold. That is that the respirator use needs to be sharply curtailed – it’s hurting people. Hydroxychloroquine with zinc appears so far to have much merit and I believe the IV vitamin C as well. A very interesting interview with an Italian doctor compared two hospitals – one on the ‘old’ protocol of ventilator use having a 60% death rate and one that is using other methods with zero.

    It will be difficult in the near future to get real facts because, as I understand it, the test is not accurate at all, and they are also encouraging doctors to attribute more deaths to covid than ought to be.

    All the rest of it is up for grabs – was it engineered? Did it pop up naturally? Is it being used to cover for some things like a crashing world economy? Is it being used to bring on totalitarianism and medical nazism? Did people over react and panic? Are the news media practicing the oldest profession?

    • doggersize April 10, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

      ventilators seem to help some people. but some doctors are trying massive doses of corticosteroids for anti-inflamatory effects and suppressing over-active immune response.
      This iteration of Corona is not civilization-threatening. but modern civilization does not sweat the fatalities like it used to. At best, the precautions and science might be good practice if a much more severe pandemic happens.

      • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:03 pm #

        I would hope not to end up on a ventilator, as I’d presume I was unlikely to wake up. And even if you do, the damage done would likely be significant. There are other types of non-invasive ventilation equipment that are being used, which I’d feel much happier with. You still wouldn’t necessarily survive but you’d be less likely to survive seriously damaged, and you’d be conscious.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:05 pm #

        They may be trying steroids, which help with pneumonia, but I have read that it isn’t good for covid. To suppress the excess immune response, melatonin.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 11:09 am #

        Read K-dog’s MD for why vents are necessary. But only on a small percentage. Used for prophylaxis is a mistake. K-dog’s MD showed a sponge full of water as an analogy for a lung with viral pneumonia. Trying to inflate a water soaked sponge is difficult. Lungs on vents become dependent. The longer, the less likely it is that they can be weaned. Need to concentrate on drying out the sponge.

        Saw a story this morning about a company selling a machine that will take out blood and remove excess cytokines to stop the cytokine storm, akin to dialysis. Give this company some money please. Then let them work on removing viruses themselves.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 2:32 pm #

      It doesn’t cause pneumonia? How is pneumonia defined? The lungs filing up with fluid, right?

      What is ARDS?

      As I understand it, the weakened immune system over-reacts, like a poor driver. Thus the body is tricked into killing itself. Thoughts?

      I am receptive. This is not one of my areas of specialty.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:14 pm #

        Janos,
        I would recommend you go to Dr. Kendrick’s blog and do a CTRL F and type in April 10 in the comments. There was about 2 or 3 good articles that talked about it. https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

        ARDS is acute respiratory distress syndrome.
        There are some anomalies in the way covid presents compared to pneumonia or ARDS. The issue being noticed is that people have very low oxygen saturations, which normally cause distressand make it hard to speak (and this does happen also in advanced cases) but that some people have died with extremely low oxygen levels and no apparent distress. There is no lung malfunction. They feel that they are breathing normally. Usually in a medical setting, low oxygen patients present in a very distressed way,they don’t just quietly die on you.
        Another anomaly is the xrays or CT – they show a ground glass appearance in the lungs but pneumonia rarely presents absolutely equally in both lung fields like that. It is usually one-sided but can be in both lungs; still does not look so even. That is because it is not pockets of infection like pneumonia but a problem in the blood, the hemoglobin.
        When your lungs are working fine, apparently the respirators are even more damaging because the tissue is soft and mechanical ventilation is a bit harsh. Therefore it does damage because the lungs don’t need the help breathing but the body needs oxygen – which can be provided with gentler methods.
        I don’t understand all of this but it is fascinating. The world’s doctors are on a learning curve.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

          Thank you. I heard of one Entertainment personality who got it and recommended getting an “Oxnimeter” (sp?) that measured how much oxygen your blood was getting. If it went below a certain level, you would know you needed to get help. He never got to that point and weathered it out at home.

          He seemed to say that he can get one at pharmacies though I can’t say I’ve ever noticed such a thing.

          • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 4:03 pm #

            I’ve got two of them Vlad. Pulse oximeters. Used them all the time when I was on the box. Mine are good. They record for 12 hours. Sometimes I wear them when I sleep just for shits and giggles. I can graph when I am in and out of REM.

          • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 4:05 pm #

            I see that my pulse drops into th 40’s and my O2 into the 80’s. while I sleep. I also only sleep 5-6 hours a night. Just like Newton. What can I say. I’m a low metabolite.

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

            Janos,

            maybe it was April 9. A pulse oximeter can be bought online for quite cheap, about 14 dollars I paid for mine. It can be a good thing. Of course most people don’t need it, but corona would be a very good reason to have one.
            My daughter and I talked today and it looks like she really had it and was a bit sicker than most people her age (30’s). She was down for the count maybe 12 days. And she said the fatigue was overwhelming. So we are now wondering if her oxygen was low.

      • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 9:41 pm #

        Thus the body is tricked into killing itself. Thoughts? – Janos

        ===========

        Go back up to a 34 minute video posted by K-Dog where a Dr Voung (sp?) explains everything very well. But, yes, your understanding is correct although not detailed and nuanced.

    • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 9:34 pm #

      Therefore, there is a steep learning curve – sophia

      =============

      I am going to suggest that commenters here never again mention learning curves because in all my years on this board I have NEVER seen anyone who actually understands learning curves. I, however, DO understand learning curves since I worked with them for 26 years in the estimating and pricing of labor and material on government contracts.

      One does not face a learning curve as though it was a steep hill before them which must be climbed. Rather, it is like a hill that one descends. On chart paper the curve starts on the upper left and descends toward the lower right. The steeper the downward slope the quicker and easier you approach the bottom. It is the long shallow descents that are difficult and take forever.

      • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 10:15 pm #

        Materials Handling pays well at civil servant level, eh. My old neighbour across the street from my father’s place was a Materials Handling civil servant too.

        Ride the learning curve like a wave one would surf.

        When I entered the Carleton University library for the first time I realized how steep the learning curve was on books I had never read. By the time I left I realized the library holdings were substandard for my taste in myriad subject matter.

        And that’s when I realized that MIT must have the best library in the world.

        RW

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

        Well that doesn’t even make sense.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 11:15 am #

        And remember that a majority of learning curve events are the result of mistakes and oversights. We learn primarily from correcting errors.

  29. Kevvia Knack April 10, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    I know. This is what truly worries me. Crops being ruined and interruptions in the food distribution system, both nationally and globally. That is when the violence starts

    • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

      You’re right! How does agri-business function properly with social distancing? I read on Breitbart recently that many illegals are self deporting because they don’t want to catch covid and/or are out of work. So apparently everybody throws up their hands and says no one’s around to tend to the farms. But what about all the unemployed people now?

      • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

        I just posted about that above, SSL. Laid-off workers are picking crops here.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:40 pm #

        It’s not such a dark cloud that it doesn’t have a silver lining.

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

          Well, I like to see things like that that suggest a less cynical and jaded response than I’m seeing on this website. How is it that some families have crowdfunded 3-D printers and are churning out visors for the NHS, taking turns to get up every two hours during the night, seven nights a week, to keep the things refilled, with their kids helping pack boxes and load the car – while other people I read about on here are whingeing like pampered first-world snowflakes and thinking that being stuck in the house for a few weeks apart from a walk to the grocer’s and another around the block for exercise makes them Anne flippin’ Frank?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

            “Anne flippin’ Frank”? Would post that on a British blog? Bet you wouldn’t, Mum! Britain is well behind the “Iron Curtain” now. And many block watchers are sewing new iron curtains as we speak – on both sides of the pond.

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

            You know, GA, if it were that simple I might almost agree with you. Instead, I see all sorts of nefarious results from this, as well as mismanagement from the get-go. I’m not worried about the virus much, but far more worried about governmental over reach. There have been too many lies and too much misinformation from official sources.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:19 pm #

            Somebody who took my breath away bothered to log on at the end of the previous thread to whinge splenetically about a woman who stepped off the pavement, doing her social distancing thing, while madame walked by and … smiled! Smiled! Can you believe the effrontery of the woman smiling at a neighbour she didn’t know? And the commenter spewed out an insightless bit of reverse virtue signalling to assert that half the people who were out getting fresh air were actually out to virtue signal, by her clearly flawless judgement.

            What has happened to Americans? Are people really that graceless? Before the lockdown started I was walking one day towards a main road, to go to the supermarket, and a frail old man who looked about 90 was crossing the road and was going to hit the corner at much the same time as me. So, to avoid freaking him out, I slowed down as discreetly as I could, not thinking he could even see me, but he turned his head and smiled and said thank you. And I’m saying thank you now that I don’t live among the kind of people who can’t respond to a smile with a flippin’ smile in return and keep their jaundiced judgements to themselves.

            She finished her post with ‘Lord, take me, I am ready’, to which one can only reply, ‘yes, Lord, take her – she’s too good for us and we need the ICU beds for people who will more likely be grateful to have one’.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

            What’s wrong with saying Anne flippin’ Frank exactly? Are you nuts?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:38 pm #

            Kesa? I’ve noticed joggers running out into the street to maintain the six feet. Some will get hit by cars…..

            How can your smile be seen if wearing a mask like you’re supposed to?

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:12 pm #

            No, not Kesa.

            And I’m not wearing a mask. Only a tiny proportion of people are wearing masks. Probably just as well as you wouldn’t be able to get hold of one if everyone was wearing them.

            Try smiling with your eyes if you’re really stuck, or even saying hi. People here who walk dogs always smile and/or say hello to every other person walking a dog, even if they don’t know them from Adam, even when there isn’t a pandemic. What’s wrong with you people?

          • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

            Probably just as well as you wouldn’t be able to get hold of one (face mask) if everyone was wearing them. – GA

            ===========

            Speaking of items that are hard or impossible to come by, my wife and I have been doing some long delayed cleaning projects. She discovered 4 bottles of Purell hand sanitizer buried in the back of a cabinet. I suggested we sell them in the black market and deposit the proceeds in an IRA.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 3:00 am #

            No, women here are terrified of men – unless they are womanly or gay. So they want us as little to do with me as possible. Smiling with my eyes? Out comes the can of mace!

            They are very chivalrous – always letting me go first. In other words, they are terrified of me and want to keep their eyes on me and prevent mine being on them.

          • stelmosfire April 11, 2020 at 7:25 am #

            Anne flippin’ Frank! Nice ring to it. Fukin’ Numpties. You Brits crack me up! There’s one around every corner.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:53 am #

            “No, women here are terrified of men ”

            Get a dog. But not a bull terrier. You’ll be fighting them off.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:59 am #

            And I didn’t mean you have to grin like a loon, just a quick smile if someone smiles at you gratefully when you do something thoughtful like moving over to avoid exchanging your potential virus. Even a conspiratorial eye roll may do the trick. Dump your neuroses – you’ll be the better for it. 🙂

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 9:50 am #

            “I suggested we sell them in the black market and deposit the proceeds in an IRA.”

            Haha. I read that too quickly and thought you were going to donate the proceeds to the Irish Republican Army!

    • BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

      Another thing to worry about is what if nobody shows up at the local nuclear power plant to keep the reactors cooled down.

      Not too mention the zookeepers. Lions and tigers must be kept caged.

      Brh

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:29 pm #

        Actually, masks are the answer. Once we have them, we should be able to do a lot more. But hopefully not forever.

      • stelmosfire April 11, 2020 at 7:27 am #

        And bears

  30. Sosodef April 10, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    Doomer-prepper “light” here. Been studying collapse since The Long Emergency days. I saw the potential for big problems way back in Jan so went into it well supplied, a little emergency savings, even got my hands on a few precious N95s. I was really banking, though, on being mentally prepared. I live in SF but lucky to be in a house with a yard and a garage where I can do woodworking. I thought the lockdown would be a good time to start a garden, hone my hand tool cabinetmaking skills, read, cook, etc. I guess I was a realist but optimistic.

    Boy was I wrong and that’s why I’m writing this. You just can’t prepare for how your mental state will fare. Here we are less than 4 weeks into shelter-in-place and it looks like even with all my preparation, while it may have bought some time, I’ll soon be in the same position as folks on the “lowest rung”. I’m a self-employed cabinetmaker and my income is now $0. I can see a hard date when I’ll be totally insolvent. I can barely concentrate on the most simple tasks such as preparing a meal or even watching TV, much less doing those “enriching” activities I was looking forward to. It just all seems futile, and my dreams for the future have evaporated. My days are mostly spent lying around until I think its a good time to drink whiskey, then it’s all a blur until I pass out.

    Just had me thinking a lot about adaptability, preparation, the unforeseen, etc. I thought I was advantaged, and maybe in the end I will be, but definitely don’t feel like it anymore. Humbling, disappointing, depressing…

    • Pucker April 10, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      I’ve been reading and lifting weights. I’ve been growing progressively contemptuous of weakness. Strange….

      • SoftStarLight April 10, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

        Hmmm. So your just basically smooth sailing and cool about it all. That’s good.

      • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 2:47 pm #

        Join the Army, Puck.

        See the world, get laid, grow some weed.

        Death & taxes too.

        RW

      • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 3:01 pm #

        “I’ve been reading and lifting weights.”

        Puck,
        I’ve been reading ABOUT lifting weights. I understand the adherents to the propensity do not necessarily own weedwhackers….

        • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

          Hey, I’ve got a weedwhacker. Whatcha’ tryin’ to say?

          • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

            Saint,
            Ergo, you do not lift weights!

            …It’s logic, you see….

        • Q. Shtik April 10, 2020 at 10:15 pm #

          I’ve been reading ABOUT lifting weights. – ely

          ===========

          I do a similar thing. I exercise my eyes. I sit facing my computer monitor and every once in a while I do 20 reps of glancing to my left to look at a set of dumbells in an A frame rack.

    • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

      You didnt know that the impact would shake you to the core.
      You were a lightweight prepper.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

        Have you lost your income malthus? If not, perhaps don’t judge.

        • malthuss April 10, 2020 at 7:11 pm #

          Mr Skorenzy says,
          Self knowledge is hard bought.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 1:45 pm #

      You had a beard that you hadn’t earned. Self knowledge is hard bought. But consider: If a collapse happens, your abilities will be in high demand. You will really be one of the fortunate ones – especially in blue America.

      And your prepping was rational and it has helped you, has it not?

    • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

      It’s never a good time to drink whiskey when times are tough. Alcohol can be dangerous to one’s overall health & well being I assure you.

      If times are tough it’s time to get going. In times like that it’s best to be sober & aware. Prepping with materialism & food stores is not the only preparation one has to do pre-crash era. One must prepare mentally too. Whiskey & mental prep seem a tad oxymoronic logically. I work with ultra dangerous machinery & tools sometimes and when I work with a chainsaw or high speed grinder I always double check to make sure I’m not buzzed on anything before hand.

      Safety first, always.

      RW

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:28 pm #

      Sosodef,

      Imagine you are a single parent of an only child, all day in the house, no other kids allowed to play with, no school. Oh, and you’ve been laid off.

      We may be privileged and soft whiners, but modern life is already more isolated than almost any previous human societies, and now people are living in almost solitary confinement, which is considered a form of torture, and GA thinks no one should be upset.

      I think one thing that plays on people’s minds is not knowing if or when we can be released. Likely it will only be parole and we will be returned to lockup.

      Well, I am sad but not upset. I have my husband, we live in the country and we go outside a lot. I miss my friends and the many planned events. I do have a couple of people I see though. We don’t maintain the 6 feet but perhaps 2-3 and maybe go for a walk or talk on the porch.

      There’s a young couple who think this is all a hoax and they’re coming over tomorrow to help us with a couple of tasks we need help with. I hope big brother isn’t reading this…

      • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:41 pm #

        GA just thinks you should have a sense of proportion. GA’s daughter is stuck all day with a 7-year-old energetic boy child with no siblings and is just getting on with it. He can’t even visit his grandma. My daughter doesn’t want to put me at risk (no talk of boomer removers in the circles I move in but I’ve told my friends about the phenomenon). They have good days and bad days. She lives in a flat and they don’t have a garden. So she takes him out for his daily stroll to the park and sends me pictures of the first peacock butterflies. She’s not enjoying it, but guess what? She has troubles in her life that she finds hard to cope with but she hasn’t mentioned them for weeks. She’s donating to foodbanks and worrying about me.

        I mentioned my upstairs neighbour to you the other day. She and her husband are in their 30s and have a little boy of about six. The husband has had cancer and is having to go to the hospital to get 30 sessions of radiotherapy. Now if I had to reckon on my chances of getting in and out a hospital 30 times and not coming across a patient or doctor with asymptomatic Covid, despite the very best efforts of the staff to separate Covid and non-Covid patients, I wouldn’t necessarily rate them that highly. And you really don’t want to get Covid when you’re getting cancer treatment, even if you’re in your 30s.

        So, yes, just a sense of proportion would do nicely. And lucky you living in the country. I live in a flat, as does the nice couple upstairs with the kid and a dad with cancer. She told me while she was in the garden that we share between 8 households and I stood at my kitchen door to chat to her. So, yeah, proportion.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:47 pm #

          So in other words, accept Tyranny because she’s better off than you?

          Tip over the life boat! Everyone in the water! Justice at last….

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:54 pm #

            Can you never stop being an arse?

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

            And I have no idea if she’s ‘better off than me’. I’m not poor.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 3:56 pm #

            And from what I’m reading I’m a lot better off than a whole lot of people over your way. Just not necessarily in money terms.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

            You don’t have to be ashamed of it as it’s all relative. Do you want the beggars you give pence to, to feel ashamed? Nor should you.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:17 pm #

            Please stop talking tripe, Janos.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 11:35 pm #

            Why can’t you be wonderful like Dame Judi Dench? Accept it with grace! You are one of the unfortunates – so what!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=269&v=yvZex3Qf7QQ&feature=emb_logo

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:45 am #

            Why do you think I’m unfortunate? I’m perfectly well provided for, thank you. Which is why I get fed up listening to the equally and even less unfortunate whingeing as if they were stuck on das Boot for three months.

            I’m worried about people’s jobs and livelihoods – that they can’t spend exactly as much time doing exactly what they used to in the local park comes second. And the latter will come back before the former for many of them. That’s something actually worth worrying about.

            Also specific groups like ‘at risk’ children being isolated with less than ideal parents. There seems to be no shortage of goodwill to keep an eye on them, though, with teachers and headteachers dropping by with bags of food and even just giving them a wave and a smile through the window to let them know they’re not forgotten.

            There are loads of younger people – and not so young – spending their time delivering food and household goods to elderly and vulnerable people. There’s nothing stopping people who are bored from doing something useful.

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

            “Why can’t you be wonderful like Dame Judi Dench? Accept it with grace! ”

            What fatuous twaddle.

        • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

          Green Alba,

          That is all very nice but a lot of people crack even without having just lost their job and not being able to have any social contact while the kids drive them up the wall. Is your daughter married?

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:19 pm #

            So perhaps the people who don’t have those problems could stop whingeing.

    • woe April 10, 2020 at 6:37 pm #

      Hey guy, this is my 2 cents. I had an experience like yours years ago.
      Anybody else who may want to know, I hope this helps out. Truck drivers are starting to make serious money because they are desperate for drivers. You can name your terms for a job with a few months of experience. They got truck drivers making $1000 dollars a day (some of those are owner operator). whatever truck you want and accessories. Thats a good paying “walk away” job. Quit when you need a break and you’re making enough money you can afford the break and they are so desperate, you can go back to work anytime you want. I’m thinking about it as a fallback job. Decent truck driver is making 85-100 thousand, because the demand for them is serious. Walmart drivers at least make 85 thousand a year. Thats not going to support a San-Francisco lifestyle, but it beats that cardboad box under an underpass.

    • crazyhorsegarden@gmail.com April 11, 2020 at 7:42 pm #

      What whiskey are you drinking? I like bourbon. Mattingly & Moore is about $8 a liter at the Virginia ABC store. Virginia Gentleman is $12.

  31. alandaviddoane April 10, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

    “Long Easter weekend?” It’s been a long weekend for a month now with no sign of any mechanism that will bring on the long-awaited First Monday this calendar year.

  32. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

    Who was the CFNer who said that he was going to wear a panty hose face mask in public to protect himself from the Covid 19 virus?

  33. sophia April 10, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

    I don’t know anything about the author of the runesoup blog linked above by LagingRunatic, but I liked this:

    Fauci, after starting at between two and three million deaths, then dropping down to between 100,000 and 250,000 literally last week, has said it will more likely be around 60,000 (average flu deaths)… yet he has also said we may never shake hands again and we should remain under house arrest until (his friend and paymaster, Bill Gates) someone develops a vaccine.

    Things like this turn me into a raging conspiracy theorist. Perhaps this should filed filed under not letting a crisis go to waste. But Bill Gates is heavily invested in pharma, donated 10 billion to the WHO, and has pushed vaccines around the world (currently being sued for damage to children in India) and is also interested in placing microsoft into position to manage the global tracking or chip system.

    So – we should all live without going outside for 18 months until someone makes a vaccine. 18 months is an estimate I have heard. No wonder they don’t want us to learn how to manage the disease in the hospital with a very low death rate, which is exactly what is happening.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

      They’ll be nothing left. Do you know about an EMP strike? Explode ten or so (maybe even less) nuclear warheads, strategically spaced, about a hundred miles above the continental United States. No deaths, “just” all the delicate circuitry destroyed. No communications, transportation, etc since such delicate circuitry is in almost everything now. Give it a few months and far more people would be dead than if we hit with a hundred nuclear warheads into our major cities.

      This may have a similar result albeit in a longer run of time if measures are taken to stop the Conspirators.

      I’m always fascinated that such explosions ruin circuitry but don’t bother the human nervous system. They first learned about it when testing in the pacific islands with loss of communication. They refined their understanding and now know how to do it. So do our enemies. In the novel “One Second After”, an unknown enemy takes down the Unites States, firing the warheads from commercial ships.

      • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 3:05 pm #

        “I’m always fascinated that such explosions ruin circuitry but don’t bother the human nervous system. ”

        Janos,
        Who says they don’t?

        Show your work….

        • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:10 pm #

          I’ve never heard that they do. If you know differently, speak up Mr Roberts.

        • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 4:26 pm #

          EL, Will it short circuit my Ruger wheel gun? How about my ’68 scoot?

          • cbeard April 10, 2020 at 7:35 pm #

            What kind of ’68 scoot. I’ve got a 68 BSA Lightning.

          • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

            “EL, Will it short circuit my Ruger wheel gun? How about my ’68 scoot?”

            Saint,
            I know for a fact that the Security Six revolver family is EMP hardened…you’re good to go.

            Regarding the ’68…I know it is a trick question…if an early Honda, no problems. If a bike having Lucas electric controls, it hasn’t run in years…and you don’t need to lift weights…you get enough exercise pushing the god damned thing around the neighborhood….

            Both you and Cbeard like the old iron. I have a…’56 R60 BMW…I last started and rode it…what is today…Friday? Yes…that would make 15 years or so ago.

          • cbeard April 10, 2020 at 10:24 pm #

            elysianfield, The old Beezer runs everyday. Also got a 72CB450. The Beezer may be for sale soon. A riding buddy has a late 60’s early 70’s Beemer, not sure of the year.

          • BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 11:31 pm #

            CBeard

            Is that the 441 one lunger?

            If so, a beast to start. You could break your leg starting that thing.

            Brh

          • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 11:50 pm #

            Cbeard,
            I fondly remember the old Hondas…the CB line would rev to 10,000 RPM, as I recall. Would beat the hell out of any Triumph or BSA in it’s day.

          • stelmosfire April 11, 2020 at 7:39 am #

            ’68 R60US, Ive got a bunch of 60’s/70’s hondas and yamahootts. My favs are a 63 Dream 305 or the Yamaha 650 Special vertical twin Triumph killer. I look like a freak on the Honda. It was built for a 5 foot Asian. Me at 6′ 2″ 250 not so much.

          • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

            Saint,
            LOVED the SX 650…it was a BSA that didn’t leak oil…and started every time…and ran forever.

          • cbeard April 11, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

            The BSA Lightning is a 650 twin. If you tickle it and it doesn’t start by the second kick, you may as well roll it in the shop to see whats wrong. The Honda is a high rever with the torsion bars (instead of valve springs). In a drag race, the Brit might beat the Jap but probably not on the top end. I don’t push bikes like I did when younger. stelmo mentioned the Yamaha 650 twin, which is a cool bike. I know where a 305 SuperHawk is sitting in boxes and the guy won’t sell it.

          • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

            I had a 1971 BSA 650cc Thunderbolt that I restored & sold as old gold back in the 90s. 650 Lightning was dual carbs & Thunderbolt was single carb.

            I ran electronic ignition after discovering the old points were impossibly lackluster engineering wise. Once rebuilt with new electronic ignition the bike was bulletproof & reliable.

            British bikes are expensive propositions for complete rebuilds.

            The Birmingham Small Arms Manufacturing Company was one of Britain’s finest in the historiography.

            Hunter S. Thompson’s favorite memories of his BSA were recorded for posterity if anyone cares to read it.

            Like Thompson I am a BSA & Triumph fan.

            RW

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

        That’s one reason I spent yesterday morning calling my representatives to let them know their constituents are ready for them to relax these rules. But who will help me?

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

          Those who agree with you, presumably. ‘Their constituents’? Were you speaking for everyone? That was very generous of you! 🙂

        • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

          “That’s one reason I spent yesterday morning calling my representatives to let them know their constituents are ready for them to relax these rules.”

          Sophia,
          You presume to know…what? IF the disease is as described, with the asymptomatic as carriers, the lock down is the ONLY choice, other than universal testing, which may arrive in some distant future.

          • sophia April 12, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

            Elysian,

            What I was referring to is that it is getting worrisome that there is so little medical care being given to the rest of the population even though medical facilities are very quiet, not at all busy, and staff are sent home.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 5:43 pm #

            Been keeping an eye on this, sophia.

            Last night my husband did house visits for three elderly patients, youngest 87. Relatives are already way different from before this started. Used to be ‘something had to be done’ when granny was ‘off her legs’ or ‘not herself’, with relatives often pushing to have her sent to hospital (for gawd knows what pointless interventions) and granny not wanting to go. And the doctor advising that it’s not necessarily the best thing for Granny to be uprooted and upset. Now nobody wants granny to go to hospital and risk bumping into Mr Covid. A sea change in attitudes, you might say.

            And Easter bank holiday weekend is usually the worst weekend in the year here for rellies wanting something done with Granny because they hadn’t visited her for a while and she – yes, that’s right – doesn’t look herself (that’s often because you look different when you get to 90 and you’re in the departure lounge and it’s just the way it is).

            But not this Easter weekend.

  34. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 3:44 pm #

    In the novel, the US Armed Forces strike back wildly, hitting Iran and other enemies, not knowing who actually did it. That is never confirmed. Meanwhile the Chinese set up shop on the West Coast out of the goodness of their hearts. Nothing could be done about it. The Old Order would be lucky to keep anything at all so they had to accept it and try to rebuild on what they still had.

    • Robert White April 10, 2020 at 4:00 pm #

      In real life the US Armed Forces has over 800 worldwide military bases and cannot fund itself anymore due to the law of diminishing returns & a deflating dark pool derivatives universe that was never built to undergo deflation because the brain trust on Wall Street thought risk had been dispersed widely enough to be maintained in equilibrium with defaults kept at minimum, & manageable, when they were not manageable at all.

      RW

  35. JohnAZ April 10, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

    Whodunit?

    I wonder who the actual people are that really fired off the panic. Not the normal reaction when the flu shots fail and lots of older folks die from the flu. But a world wide panic. Who fired up the press? The medical alarmists are backtracking now giving all kinds of reasons why the death rates are falling. Why did WHO minimize the initial impact? Why did China minimize the outbreak and threaten countries that wanted to stop Chinese from coming into their lands?

    IMHO, there is a common denominator somewhere. I am almost afraid they will find out who the rabble rousers are. Justice may be more painful than not knowing.

    • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

      “The medical alarmists are backtracking now giving all kinds of reasons why the death rates are falling.”

      They’re not falling here. We’re at 1000/day and rising, more than Italy or Spain at their worst (and they don’t know what will happen there either when the lockdown is lifted).

      And both New York and the UK are burying people in mass graveyards. Who expected to see that in 2020? They’re trying to camouflage the parks with the refrigerated lorries here with the dead bodies in so as not to upset the people in the houses nearby.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 4:08 pm #

        Other hospitals are laying off workers. Many thousands of people die everyday over there. But the media is focusing on it, and you, a child of the BBC, focuses on it too. It’s only natural. You are doing what is expected of you, so bravo.

        And again, many of those deaths are from other causes…..

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:22 pm #

          “Many thousands of people die everyday over there.”

          1600, to be precise, at this time of year, from ALL causes, including natural. Currently 2600. Stop making up crap.

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 4:24 pm #

          And hospitals here aren’t laying off workers. But I could see that might happen in a dysfunctional health service not set up for co-ordination.

        • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

          But the media is focusing on it, and you, a child of the BBC, focuses on it too. It’s only natural. You are doing what is expected of you, so bravo.

          Far better to have grown up with the BBC (although as a casual Australian I find it kind of conservative, stuffy, and rather too pro-establishment) than any media in the US.

          I know you get all your ideology from infowars, breitbart, and QAnon – which explains why you’re quite the fruitcake. But carry on – it’s your tiny bubble.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

            Why do fruitloop Americans think Brits only have one TV channel with a news programme? It’s frankly weird. I prefer Channel 4 News if I’m getting it in passing from the TeeVee. You can even get Rupert Murdoch’s flavour of news filtration if that’s what floats your boat.

          • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 6:57 pm #

            Why do fruitloop Americans think Brits only have one TV channel with a news programme? It’s frankly weird.

            Yes – it is weird, and creepy too.

            It’s not that Americans as a class are always stupid. It’s just that their upbringing leads them to have a very, very narrow view of things, and a very small set of things they think it’s important to know.

            I also have a sneaking suspicion it is fear – that deep-down Americans (at least the sentient ones) think that if they have any interest in anything outside the US the terrorists win, and also if they look at other nations, they will see their own terrible short-comings.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

            To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting all American are fruitloops!

            I mean on hear, a subset of (fruitloopy) people keep saying ‘but you listen to the BBC’ etc. as if it was 1950. Loads of people in the UK never listen to the BBC. Young people in particular. Heaps of channels have news programmes.

          • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:21 pm #

            on *here* even…

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

        Green Alba,

        I don’t see how all that can be true when the actual death rate has not exceeded normal. What do they normally do with dead bodies? Well, I suppose there has been a death spike, I need to look at the stats more closely. But month over month, no real rise.

        • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 9:51 pm #

          I don’t see how all that can be true when the actual death rate has not exceeded normal.

          The death rate for Madrid (Spain) was 6500 higher than normal for March, yet only 3500 were attributed to Covid-19. The number of deaths caused by the virus is probably far higher than is being reported just about everywhere.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:25 am #

            Careful, Cargill, you’ll be upsetting some much-loved conspiracy applecarts! Next they’ll be telling us heart surgeons losing patients are saying ‘oh, shit, I’ve lost him – put it down to Covid and it won’t show up in my stats’!!

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:41 pm #

        Green Alba,

        I don’t see how all that can be true when the actual death rate has not exceeded normal. What do they normally do with dead bodies? Well, I suppose there has been a death spike, I need to look at the stats more closely. But month over month, no real rise.

        How could they be burying people in mass graves? Don’t their families want their dead? Mass graves are for when you are far from home or being invaded by a foreign army.

        I am not buying this without some proof.

        • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 8:35 pm #

          The ones in New York are for people who can’t afford normal burials, it seems. I don’t know about the UK ones – I think if you couldn’t afford a burial at all the local authority would provide some minimal resources, but I don’t know. I only saw the New York situation covered this evening.

          https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-york-victims-without-family-buried-in-mass-grave-on-hart-island-11971679

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:43 pm #

            So I wonder what they normally do with the indigent and family-less dead.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:21 am #

            No idea. Here I think they’d get a very modest burial in a local cemetery courtesy of the local authority, but perhaps there isn’t enough room at the moment.

            By local by-law, I officially own the burial lair where my parents are buried for a period of 100 years after the last one was buried there. At some point in the future, perhaps they may be removed and replaced with someone else, possibly, but I haven’t given it much thought or looked into it. You can’t expand local burial grounds in towns forever. But, whatever the case, time is of the essence at the moment.

            But I’m only surmising – I’ve no idea how it works. I only know that they’re preparing mass graves here and I’ve never heard of that happening before. I assume perhaps the crematoria are at capacity, but I don’t know about that either.

            They said that spot on Hart Island was previously used for burying what you guys call John Does. These people now presumably had an identity, but no family – or no family with the capacity to give a proper burial. And I suppose no-one has the time to check if they have a paid-up burial plan or to put it into effect if they do, in the case of those with no family.

        • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 11:03 am #

          MASS GRAVES!!!

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

            You can call them something else if you prefer euphemisms, Nightowl. I didn’t know you were so PC. You’re the only one using shouty capitals too, btw.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

            How about an RPMO – resting place of multiple occupancy. That sounds quite sociable when you think about it.

          • Nightowl April 12, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

            NYC has been burying people in large numbers on Hart Island every year since 1869.

            FEAR!

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

            Give the relative numbers/week or /month or your point is pointless.

            No fear involved if you just think of them as nice Resting Places of Multiple Occupancy. I might put my name down for one.

            I think you might be able to reclaim them later when things are less fraught, i.e. when you’re no longer a city that has more Covid cases and more deaths than any actual WHOLE COUNTRY in the world. I can see that wouldn’t faze you from your bourgeois neck in the woods, though. A bit chicken hawkish, in fact, you might say.

  36. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

    Men who refused to serve in WW1 were spat on as cowards and scum. In retrospect, they were right and everyone else was wrong. They listened to their own reason and conscience while everyone else was listening to the alien owned media that wanted the war for their own purposes.

    • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

      Is that why the men in Europe for 500 years dressed in military uniforms, because of an alien media? Is that why they did so before this alien media even existed. Is that how they got to Africa, and the Americas, the Far East and the Middle East, because an alien media tricked them into plundering and stealing other lands? How come these men never seem to have a mind of their own to simply say, NO! How come raping and plundering never seem to bother them too much until they’re all struck dead? Do they really believe that Pope Jeebus will save them from their sins???

      • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 7:08 pm #

        Pope Francis: Pandemic could be ‘Nature’s Revenge’ for ignoring Climate Change. Is that what Greta told him? Did he divine this is his Lizard Hall where God resides?

        • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 7:40 pm #

          I agree. Them pasty bitches need to get out in the sun more. We’re happy to accommodate them on our sunny beaches. Though there be lots of evidence them bitches prefer to be gang raped by Arabs in North Africa. Must bring back memories of them good old times in the dark forests of Europe.

          • elysianfield April 10, 2020 at 7:59 pm #

            “Must bring back memories of them good old times in the dark forests of Europe.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8TflIIfuhs

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 8:18 pm #

            Yey for commie idolatry.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 8:29 pm #

            The Talmud has incarnated and speaks through you.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 8:36 pm #

            Too bad it was authored by Romans.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 2:49 am #

            The antiphon of Psalm 26: False witnesses are risen up against me, * and iniquity hath lied to itself.

        • malthuss April 11, 2020 at 11:26 am #

          Is Israel too White?

        • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 10:13 am #

          From your ‘article’, Janos:

          “Or how about Britain, with its concession to Sharia Law in a growing number of its own communities?”

          These people are lying toads and you swallow the Kool Aid. You don’t just swallow it, you beg them to feed it to you intravenously, which they are more than happy to do.

          Sharia is not recognised in any way, shape or form under English/Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish law, or British law, which are the forms existing in these islands. If people want to go to a sharia bloke to discuss the problems they have with their husband or a local shopkeeper of their own community, nobody gives a monkey’s but whatever they decide it has NO STANDING in law. None, whatsoever. It has the same standing as a bunch of elders in a Presbyterian church requesting one of their own to stop mucking about with someone else’s wife.

          FEAR PORN.

  37. sophia April 10, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

    Janos et al,

    Someone linked this guy Chris Martenson, I have listened to one and it is very good. The title is Turning the Corner. It is a bit long, but the good stuff starts just before the 10 minute mark. He discusses the new theory of how covid attacks the hemoglobin, hydrochloroquine and at the end a very inspiring story of American ingenuity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf&index=3

    I think this is the one by a NY doc who stepped down from the ICU because he felt too much conflict with the pressure to use ventilators-

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Cameron+Kyle-Sidell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

    And this is the first one I linked to previously and is supposed by K-dog to have some issue with its source, but it is holding its own with the other new knowledge coming out:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

    • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

      And this is the first one I linked to previously and is supposed by K-dog to have some issue with its source, but it is holding its own with the other new knowledge coming out

      Yeah well, an interesting read ht you do need to consider the provenance, and the credibility of the author. I would think that if the information in it is true (hydroxychloroquine prevents oxygen-stripping of the hemoglobin by the virus) – I would think it would be front-page news everywhere, and Trump would trumpet it too.

      The author might be a voice in the wilderness, but I would like to see the back-up singers and maybe te whole orchestra before I accept it as kosher.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:45 pm #

        The Chris Martenson video was the top link and he discusses the hydrochloroquine/zinc treatment extensively and who is using it. Trump did trumpet it.
        He isn’t a voice in the wilderness anymore. This is gaining a lot of traction and a lot of people are saying it makes a lot of sense of things.

        • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 7:47 pm #

          Chris Martenson is | was a very well-known character in the Peak Oil debate of the pre-fracking days. I didn’t know he was now dabbling in virology – which isn’t to discount him at all – he’s a bright guy.

          But where are the mainstream medicos who are supporting this and doing the big research?

          • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:48 pm #

            If you mean double blind placebo studies, there isn’t time for that. It is being given by mainstream medicos.

  38. stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 6:27 pm #

    Good Friday? What’s so good about it exactly?

    • Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2020 at 6:32 pm #

      You may have suffered PTSD from all your experience of human suffering, so now you blame God and deny Him.

      You will attain Heaven though – doubt it not! You will still get to work on engines and shit – they will just be bigger, more like stars and planets.

      • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 6:59 pm #

        I hope so. I’m thinkin’ in the range of 3.500000000000001e+24 times cubic inches of Detroit iron! 5.7 to the moon Alice!

  39. sophia April 10, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

    There, there, Green Alba, calm down.
    I don’t know who the mystery woman was but this situation does bring out the worst in some people, like a few of the police. Some people just love to be offended.

    Americans are a very friendly and helpful lot. I hardly ever go to the store without striking up conversations with strangers.

    One time my second husband and, with 4 kids and my mother (so we were utterly unthreatening) had some weird issue with the van so that it would go about 5 miles and need a jump start. We were driving home a ways from a day at the lake. We never waited so much as 5 minutes for someone to stop and offer to help.

    The Swedes not so much. My daughter scolds me for being too friendly. She said I should not say hello to someone I don’t know as it confuses them. So I did to the next man who showed up. He was obviously a bit uncomfortable and not sure how to respond. Luckily, since I give them a chance to speak English and they can then see I’m a foreigner, they usually are pretty nice to me when I talk to them in public.

    • GreenAlba April 10, 2020 at 9:31 pm #

      Two ‘oh, Albas’ and a ‘there there’. Do you work with young children or something?

      I’ve heard the same thing about Swedes that you describe. Mostly from this book:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fishing-Utopia-Sweden-Future-Disappeared/dp/1847080812

      Plus a friend who lived there with her husband for a few years because of his work. I take it you’re Swedish, but perhaps I’ve misunderstood.

      I’ve always believed Americans to be particularly friendly. That’s why some comments surprise me.

      • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:52 pm #

        Are you kidding me? I actually said Oh Alba twice? I can’t believe it. But the there there you had coming. You were so bothered about that horrible woman. And anyway, what’s wrong with it?

        No I am not Swedish but somehow managed to allow my daughter to end up there. I live with the hillbillies. Sweetest people in America.

        • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:06 am #

          Where’s your sense of humour, sophia? Do I need to put smileys everywhere? I have on occasion included too many of them, to err on the side of not offending people, and it was remarked upon.

          I’m not sure who wins in the irony-receptor stakes when it comes to Americans and Swedes.

          I have no reason to believe she was a horrible woman. She showed herself in that instance to be a graceless women. Perhaps it was the only day in her life that she behaved so gracelessly in relation to her fellow humans, whom she so clearly did not want to see as fellows.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 9:35 am #

            I keep mistyping ‘woman’. Slip of the finger. Apols.

          • sophia April 11, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

            Ah, well you had specifically asked me not to and I was too lazy to go look for it, but I had agreed to stop!

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 9:43 pm #

            Funnily enough I was walking round to the shop tonight with the dog to get some beer for the old man coming home from work and a young woman was walking towards me on the pavement. I was strangely conscious of what Madame said on the other thread, so after I’d moved off the pavement and round the other side of the parked cars with the mutt (there was no traffic) I sort of avoided catching her eye in case she thought I was being weird, but she looked over deliberately and smiled at me for doing it, so I smiled back. I just don’t get why anyone would get their knickers in a twist with delusions about ‘virtue signalling’. It’s a pathologically jaundiced way of treating people.

        • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 7:07 am #

          “I live with the hillbillies. Sweetest people in America.”

          Indeed. Don’t many of them come from here? 🙂

          • capt spaulding April 11, 2020 at 10:18 am #

            GA; Did you hear about the Swedish farmer who loved his wife so much, he almost told her?

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

            Haha. 🙂

          • sophia April 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

            Yeah, GA, they do. The Scots Irish. Some are a bit meaner, but they live in other parts of the south. They are also not into ripping people off.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

        See? You don’t like it when she does it to you. Put on your big girl knickers.

        • GreenAlba April 13, 2020 at 7:02 am #

          I keep my Bridget Jones big smalls for special occasions.

  40. stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 7:21 pm #

    The lawyers are going to reap the whirlwind from this bullshit. Patient died, SUE. Disease, SUE. I see ads on TV for Glyphosphate, Cancer, You got it. aka Roundup, Next ad up by Monsanto, Put roundup on your lawn for nice green grass. Insane. All day long.

  41. Pucker April 10, 2020 at 7:43 pm #

    Everyone is upset that Bernie Sanders turned out to be a fraud.

    I’ve given up on the politicians and the political parties.

    Isn’t a shit sandwich on whole wheat the same as a shit sandwich on rye? Nobody wants to eat it….

    • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 7:58 pm #

      Bernie collected his money and left to buy his fourth and fifth and sixth mansion house. Now the question is, would YOU be any different?

      • Majella April 10, 2020 at 8:35 pm #

        Clearly, akmofo, YOU wouldn’t be…but your accusation is, typically, no more than a nasty smear with absolutely no basis in reality.

        • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 8:40 pm #

          Ma Jelly troll, do we need to feed you again? Here’s one for you, would YOU be any different?

          • Majella April 10, 2020 at 10:50 pm #

            Ha!!!!! *I’M* the troll???? That’s really rich. You do nothing but spit out nut-job wanker fantasies, born of your fevered brain, infected by conspiracy like a virus.

            What would *I* do? Like Sanders, I’d follow the Federal election laws about campaign contributions not used in the campaign:

            “Candidate Campaign Committees

            These are the official committees run by the candidate and their campaign team. The Federal Election Commission has put into place rules that control how money is spent after a candidate bows out or the election process ends.

            No Personal Use

            After all debts are settled, a candidate is not allowed to use the remaining funds for personal uses, which are defined as “a commitment, obligation or expense of any person that would exist irrespective of the candidate’s campaign or responsibilities as a federal officeholder.” In other words, if the expense exists independent of the campaign or being an elected official, campaign funds may not be used. Expenses that are automatically considered personal use include household items, mortgage or rent for a personal residence and salary payments to the candidate’s family, unless the family member provides a bona fide service to the campaign and the payment reflects the value for the service in the free market.

            Permissible Uses

            The contributions can be used in the following ways:

            Donations to charities, as long as the candidate does not receive compensation from the organizations and the donation is not used by the charity to benefit the candidate.
            ?
            A donation of a maximum of $2,000 to another federal candidate, and donations to state or local candidates (subject to state law).

            Unlimited transfers to a local, state, or national political party committee.

            Transfer to a future election campaign committee of the same candidate. For example, Bernie Sanders has transferred $12.7 million from previous campaigns to his 2020 presidential committee.”

            https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/042716/what-happens-campaign-funds-after-elections.asp

            Jeez – it’s not hard to find the answers if one is looking for FACTS. Just google your idiotic question.

            So, how about you just cease & desist from your nasty, small-minded smear campaigns, you blithering fool.

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 11:30 pm #

            Right. Only that the money always ends up paying friends and family and their scams, and then returns to fund the new mansions and luxury vacations. Just check the record of his Vatican commie wife and her relations and friends, what they get paid and for what.

            The bottom line is that you remain a hopeless idiot no matter how many cycles of this nonsense we go through. Corruption goes unchecked because Commie idiots like you are unreformable.

          • Majella April 11, 2020 at 4:02 pm #

            Akmofo- you’re becoming a sad, twisted self-parody.of the ultimate CT nutjob, when EVERYTHING is fake and NOTHING can be believed because EVERYBODY is out to head-fake you.

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:56 pm #

      He showed that he was a fraud 3 years ago.

      • Majella April 11, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

        Expand on that please. Making such a profound statement requires more than your assertion.

    • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 5:27 am #

      Put enough mustard on it and people can’t tell the difference.

  42. akmofo April 10, 2020 at 7:56 pm #

    The approximate bailout of $10 trillion dollars that the US government and Fed is doling out divided by the 150 million US workers equals $66,666.66 per person. An interesting number.

    • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 8:20 pm #

      yes a numbers man. where did you get the 10 T number and the 150 M number?

      • stelmosfire April 10, 2020 at 8:21 pm #

        The whole world is math. How you work the numbers is the secret.

      • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

        I little bird tweeted it to me.

    • sophia April 10, 2020 at 10:59 pm #

      “The approximate bailout of $10 trillion dollars that the US government and Fed is doling out divided by the 150 million US workers equals $66,666.66 per person.”

      And we get 1200 of it.

      • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 11:36 pm #

        Someone is being played. And many will not even get the $1200.

        • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 5:25 am #

          The Cadillac driving welfare mama is going to get seven checks for $1200 for each of her identities. That hardly gets close to two thirds of 100K but she will still piss everybody off.

          I know someone will start the rumor so I’ll do it first. Be a few illegals getting checks with phony SSN numbers too. Impersonators. Showing up from a foreign land and acting like they belong here, the nerve of it!

  43. akmofo April 10, 2020 at 9:05 pm #

    I’m Mad As Hell and I’m Not Gonna Take This Anymore!

    https://youtu.be/MRuS3dxKK9U

    NETWORK,
    Sidney Lumet,
    1976

    • Cargill April 10, 2020 at 9:43 pm #

      Peter Finch … fine Australian actor!

      • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 10:37 pm #

        The Still Report:
        The Gates Foundation’s record of horror and mass murder
        https://youtu.be/hYRtRFP4SZI

        • Majella April 10, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

          Wow! The Still Report – well, that’s a highly reliable source, isn’t it?

          Did you buy his snake-oil as well as his conspiracy bullshit?

          • Majella April 10, 2020 at 11:01 pm #

            This guy, Still – he can say what he likes and puts his ‘quotes’ in inverted commas which appear to provide legitimacy, but these so-called quotes cannot be found on any search.

            Snopes also calls these Gates theories for the BS they are:

            https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

          • akmofo April 10, 2020 at 11:32 pm #

            He’s got my trust. If it’s not good enough for you, you can fsck off to your commie MSM propaganda outlets and stay there.

          • Majella April 11, 2020 at 4:05 pm #

            Your trust is easily got and more fool you for that.

          • sophia April 11, 2020 at 7:50 pm #

            I googled, Bill Gates law suit India and I got hits which say its true.

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

            Sophia

            Please, delve a little deeper…

            I used the same search terms just now. The first two results were snopes.com, and asked questions, which were debunked. The 3rd was a loopy right wing religious site;

            https://thegoodnewstoday.org/bill-gates-faces-trial-in-india-for-illegally-testing-tribal-children-with-vaccines/

            On reading their ‘information’ I discovered that in a vax trial of 16000, 5 had died within 6 months. In another trial of 14000, 2 had died. This is not compelling evidence of anything but that human beings die.

            Here’s an article from an India Today issue, following a link that says ‘WHY INDIA SNAPPING OFF TIES WITH …GATES”

            ‘Much ado over vaccines:
            Prime Minister Narendra Modi himself has been seeking support from Bill Gates – technocrat, philanthropist and the world’s wealthiest man – for his ambitious Universal Immunisation Programme.’

            The headline, phrased as a question, appears to support your contention, but on actually READING the article, it turns out that, no, India is not snapping its ties with BMGF;

            ‘Osama bin Laden isn’t dead. Global warming is a hoax. NASA faked the moon landings. Vaccines cause autism. And Bill Gates?

            On Wednesday, February 7, conspiracy theorists had a field day when a report emerged: ‘Centre shuts health mission gate on Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’. At the heart of it was a Big Money, Big Pharma, Big Corruption plot: how the biggest philanthropic organisation in the world was “influencing” India’s vaccination strategy, to the advantage of global pharma giants.
            The government’s decision to snap ties with BMGF was, apparently, informed by “arguments from senior medical professionals and outfits like the Swadeshi Jagran Manch”.
            Instantly, the news went viral, resounding across domestic and international media.

            The 23 members of the country’s highest advisory committee on immunisation-the National Immunisation Technical Advisory Group (NTAGI)-scratched their heads in bewilderment. And the Union ministry for health, with three of its seniormost bureaucrats co-chairing the NTAGI, kicked into overdrive: the vaccination strategy, after all, was one of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s flagship projects.

            The very next day, on February 8, a press note was released: that the reports were “inaccurate and misleading”; that there was no financial link between NTAGI and BMGF; that the latter continued to “collaborate and support the ministry”.

            The news comes at a time when India is trying to take its basket of free vaccines for children towards the international standard, after years of remaining static.

            The prime minister himself has been seeking support from Bill Gates – technocrat, philanthropist and the world’s wealthiest man – for his ambitious Universal Immunisation Programme.’

      • Iananna April 12, 2020 at 6:59 am #

        And the best Robin Hood ever, Errol Flynn.
        For whom the phrase “in like Flynn” was created.

        • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

          Doesn’t invalidate like Flynn’ refer to his purported powers of swift “seduction”?

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

            “ in like Flynn” of course…

  44. DurangoKid April 10, 2020 at 9:19 pm #

    (Facebook post)

    A Banquet of Consequences

    I was visiting with my sister’s in-laws when at the conclusion of a fine dinner I picked up a crust of bread or some such and began to eat it. Her mother-in-law, who happened to be Russian, became agitated and exclaimed, in Russian, “A hungry man is a dangerous thing!” We had to calm her down and assure her that I had indeed had my fill and my interest in the morsel was of no consequence. Obviously, the memory of the Nazi invasion of Russia was still clear in her mind, as was that of her husband who, upon our meeting, made a point of showing me the scars from a dive bomber attack.

    There’s a saying that might be attributable to a Russian. The revolution is only nine meals away. There’s another attributed to Lenin that goes something like, ‘decades of history can happen in a few weeks.’ We’re not out of the woods on this coronavirus thing. The so-called leadership has dropped the ball. Upon hearing of it and it’s character they should have pounced with everything at their disposal to contain it. Things that spread exponentially have a way of getting out of hand very quickly. However, they chose to err on the side of indolence. Churchill said the Americans will do the right thing after they’ve tried everything else. This current crisis is not the sort where delays play out well. It should be obvious they’re not in control. They had the chance and they lost it in bureaucratic inertia and inane bravado.

    There’s another thing about revolutions that’s important to know. Most uprisings fail. As long as the police or military stay loyal, the insurrectionists don’t stand a chance. The state really is the monopoly on violence. When that monopoly fractures, the elites are usually through. The coronavirus is spreading among the police and at least one branch of the military, the Navy. Rather than address the problem in the Navy, a fine officer was taken down over the objections of his crew. If those who are charged with keeping order or fending off enemies begin to doubt their leaders, things can become unstuck. We have not turned the corner on this crisis and it seems doubtful we will anytime soon. There is plenty of room for dissatisfaction to grow.

    History has a kind of emergent quality. There is no predicting the outcome when so many factors are involved and difficult to quantify. Am I advocating or predicting the coronavirus will lead to a revolution? Not just yet. However, it is useful to understand how revolutions come about and perhaps not to fear them when they come. What’s the point? The river of history will take you where it will and there’s not much you can do except bring an innertube and a few beers. Keep an eye on the currents and paddle a few stroke now and then to hopefully steer around things that might drown you. As the current carries you along to who knows where, remember to take in the view.

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 12:29 am #

      History has a kind of emergent quality. There is no predicting the outcome when so many factors are involved and difficult to quantify. Am I advocating or predicting the coronavirus will lead to a revolution? Not just yet. However, it is useful to understand how revolutions come about and perhaps not to fear them when they come.

      I would genuinely welcome significant change, with massive reforms and a serious re-set of so many things (starting with, but not ending with, the elites of Wall Street).

      But I check my privilege – I sit here snacking pretty high on the food chain, with more than two-thirds of my life over, and plenty of income without having to work. I miss the freedom of movement, the closure of cultural institutions, and the capacity to travel to exotic places, but otherwise I’m not hugely inconvenienced.

      But I think the young, with families, with mortgages or relentless rent, plus no job, and many other issues (from ageing parents to autistic kids) – they won’t seek a revolution – I think they will be far more interested in some “return to normality”, as soon as it can be safely done.

  45. toktomi April 10, 2020 at 9:49 pm #

    @JHK

    I would say…

    “whole Covid-19 story ‘a hoax’: ? – NO.
    It is not what they were trying for, but it will suffice to finish off the global economy.
    And we can’t eat dirt.
    So, there we shall be and then, not be, less some seven billion souls or so.

    aside:
    I have a thing [or two] that rubs me from time to time. The disconnect in the minds and souls of the privileged [and I’m not speaking of the ruling elite here] from the heart of the connected Universe awes me in the pejorative. However, I don’t find all of these psychopaths to be completely vile and evil. For many “it is not personal; it’s just business”. For Trump, Kissinger, Dimon, maybe even W.Clinton, and the majority of the other errand boys, it’s just an occupation.
    But then, there are the few who RELISH the dirty deeds. One of these is very familiar. So, vile is his heart that he flaunts it often. If there is any small thread of justice in the Universe, they will leave him down here with the rest of us, hopefully in the deep south where he can finally make a positive offering by nourishing a few hungry pigs, one small piece at a time.

    Finally…
    It seems that all organisms flourish up to the limit of the available environmental resources by competing with other organisms for those resources.
    Humans shared the Earth for a brief period when the vast abundance of supplemental energy allowed for all of the individuals of the species to be free of competition for resources for their survival.
    But so innate was the genetic drive to compete that humanity just couldn’t intellectually evolve to the next higher plane of existence and take care of itself.
    So, here we are. Competition, greed, capitalism, or whatever you want to call it, the animal is still nothing more than the ancient beast that it has always been, Ivy League education be damned.
    And ultimately it was so intellectually avoidable. With a single notion the trajectory could have been deflected from the self-destruction that even the ruling elite will ultimately face.
    Knowledge is an illusion.

    just musing,

    ~toktomi~

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 12:15 am #

      With a single notion the trajectory could have been deflected from the self-destruction that even the ruling elite will ultimately face.

      The hippies and counter-culture types tried it in the 60s and 70s, but many still wound up with a corner office anyway, or drifted off to semi-viable farms and even less viable suburbs.

      If there is one thing that would be good to come out of this, would be for a really significant slice of the population (not the greenies and urban lefties) to realise that 80% of the shiny objects they buy are an utter waste, and that everyone has been conned into a lifetime of over-indulgent consumerism.

      I would like to see whole industries torn asunder … not because they are evil, but because they are pointless, and 80% of the price you pay s for status, name, and … whatever.

      Does anybody really need anything made by Gucci, or Chanel, or YSL … or Porsche for that matter?

      • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 4:58 am #

        A fine thought Cargill, I had it once. Then I realized that modern critters can’t tell the difference between a need and a want. Some shiny objects with no intrinsic value are seen as vital needs. While essential needs on which life depends are ignored and left to chance in this land of plenty. A hopeless situation it seems.

        If 80% of the price you pay is for status then it is evil. You just don’t want to admit it. If you care to argue this point then you actually make the point because you could make better use of your time. And you won’t be arguing with me. It might be fun but I’ll make better use of my time which is a limited resource. Because that is the point. The evil of omission, among others.

        Don’t look back. If you turn to salt a Kangaroo will lick you.

  46. malthuss April 10, 2020 at 10:56 pm #

    Mnuchin [bonesman] is in charge after he made seniors and elderly move out of homes he foreclosed upon in California.

    He is also on Board of Sears and they are trying to withhold their Pensions, steal pension money.

  47. BackRowHeckler April 10, 2020 at 11:18 pm #

    We are not in total lockdown in Ct; you can still go out and drive around, parks are open, walking trails being heavily used. I noticed the parking lot was full at the local grocery store today. Also on a positive note, murders in our cities, and traffic deaths on the roads, down to about 0. People are worried about looting and an uptick in violent crime, but we haven’t seen that yet. I notice my neighbor who is a prosecutor, and the judge who lives one street over, are both home, so courts must be closed too.

    Brh

    • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 4:43 am #

      How are the dogs doing. Are they being walked too much?

  48. Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 3:23 am #

    The concluding paragraphs of Lovecraft’s essay, “Cats and Dogs”

    Dogs, then, are peasants and the pets of peasants; cats are gentlemen and the pets of gentlemen. The dog is for him who places crude feeling and outgrown ethics and humanocentricity above austere and disinterested beauty; who just loves ‘folks and folksiness’ and doesn’t mind sloppy clumsiness if only something will truly care for him. (Tableau of dog across master’s grave—cf. Landseer, “The Old Shepherd’s Chief Mourner”.) The guy who isn’t much for highbrow stuff, but is always on the square and don’t (sic) often find the Saddypost or the N.Y. World too deep for him; who hadn’t much use for Valentino, but thinks Doug Fairbanks is just about right for an evening’s entertainment. Wholesome—constructive—non-morbid—civic-minded—domestic—(I forgot to mention the radio) normal—that’s the sort of go-getter that had ought to go in for dogs.
    The cat is for the aristocrat—whether by birth or inclinations or both—who admires his fellow-aristocrats (even if Little Belknap isn’t especially fond of Felis). He is for the man who appreciates beauty as the one living force in a blind and purposeless universe, and who worships that beauty in all its forms without regard for the sentimental and ethical illusions of the moment. For the man who knows the hollowness of feeling and the emptiness of human objects and aspirations, and who therefore clings solely to what is real—as beauty is real because it pretends to no significance beyond the emotion which it excites and is. For the man who feels sufficient in the cosmos, and asks no false perspective of exaltation; who is moved by no mawkish scruples of conventional prejudice, but loves repose and strength and freedom and luxury and superiority and sufficiency and contemplation; who as a strong fearless soul wishes something to respect instead of something to lick his face and accept his alternate blows and strokings; who seeks a proud and beautiful equal in the peerage of individualism rather than a cowed and cringing satellite in the hierarchy of fear, subservience, and devotion. The cat is not for the brisk, self important little worker with a “mission”, but for the enlightened dreaming poet who knows that the world contains nothing really worth doing. The dilettante—the connoisseur—the decadent, if you will, though in a healthier age than this there were things for such men to do, so that they were the planners and leaders of those glorious pagan times. The cat is for him who does things not for empty duty but for power, pleasure, splendour, romance, and glamour—for the harpist who sings alone in the night of old battles, or the warrior who goes out to fight such battles for beauty, glory, fame, and the splendour of a kingly court athwart which no shadow of weakness or democracy falls. For him who will be lulled by no sops of prose and usefulness, but demands for his effort the ease and beauty and ascendancy and cultivation which alone make effort worth while. For the man who knows that play, not work, and leisure, not bustle, are the great things of life; and that the round of striving merely in order to strive some more is a bitter irony of which the civilised soul accepts as little as it can.
    Beauty, sufficiency, ease, and good manners—what more can civilisation require? We have them all in the divine little monarch who lounges gloriously on his silken cushion before the hearth. Loveliness and joy for their own sake—pride and harmony and coördination—spirit, restfulness, and completeness—all here are present, and need but a sympathetic disillusionment for worship in full measure. What fully civilised soul but would eagerly serve as high-priest of Bast? The star of the cat, I think, is just now in the ascendant, as we emerge little by little from the dreams of ethics and democracy which clouded the nineteenth century and raised the grubbing and unlovely dog to the pinnacle of sentimental regard. Whether a renaissance of monarchy and beauty will restore our Western civilisation, or whether the forces of disintegration are already too powerful for even the fascist sentiment to check, none may yet say; but in the present moment of cynical world-unmasking between the pretence of the eighteen hundreds and the ominous mystery of the decades ahead we have at least a flash of the old pagan perspective and the old pagan clearness and honesty.
    And one idol lit up by that flash, seen fair and lovely on a dream-throne of silk and gold under a chryselephantine dome, is a shape of deathless grace not always given its due among groping mortals—the haughty, the unconquered, the mysterious, the luxurious, the Babylonian, the impersonal, the eternal companion of superiority and art—the type of perfect beauty and the brother of poetry—the bland, grave, competent, and patrician cat.

    JS: Words of fire. He liked cats! Is he too hard on dogs and dog lovers? Yes. But that does not mean his love of Cats is wrong. It is only too true. Dogs are always going someplace. Cats are already there. But again, devotion is the only path for many and the Dog is an apt symbol of that. Even among the dog hating Muslims, the Sufi Mystics understood the beauty of the Dog.

    • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 4:41 am #

      Muslims hate dogs?

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 5:21 am #

        Oh yes. But they hate Trannies too so, well I’ll leave it at that.

        I posted this to a sob story about Trannies not getting their treatments during the crisis:

        Mohammad predicted that large numbers of people like this would appear towards the End of Time. And that they would be evil. Lo, the Hour approaches!

        No, no, Islam is good! Transgenders are good! But they contradict. It does not compute. I do not compute….!!! Silence. Blessed silence at last.

        First time I’ve ever used Lo. Charles Fort is watching over me.

        • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 6:53 am #

          “Oh yes. But they hate Trannies too so, well I’ll leave it at that.”

          Well, not quite. In Iran you can have a transgender operation with no fuss, because they cannot cope with homosexuality and see transitioning as a solution. There is much religious oddity about, here and there.

          And the dog thing wasn’t always the case, just as with your priestly celibacy thing.

          https://qz.com/india/1038116/the-moment-in-history-when-muslims-began-to-see-dogs-as-dirty-impure-and-evil/

          • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 11:10 am #

            Most don’t know and many would likely not be open to the idea that dogs were treasured by the Prophet and millions of Muslims after him.

            They should learn their own history then.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 11:42 am #

            They should indeed, K-Dog, like the people who think men have to be put in a frock and kept away from women because they have a ‘vocation’. Asking for trouble, if you ask me.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 11:42 am #

            And just plain mean into the bargain.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

            Cats as well. Informed of a woman who had kept a cat tied up, torturing it to death from lack of water, he simply said, “She will not see God.”

            There was a movie made about the pampered street cats of Istanbul.

            Amazing factoid there about transexualism in Iran. Is it mandatory? Even that would be better than throwing them off buildings as with ISIS.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

            Of course not. They seem to treat gender dysfunction as a disorder and consider gender reassignment the treatment.

            It doesn’t remove the stigma in society in general or make it easy to live a normal life, with a job, home etc.

            https://qz.com/889548/everyone-treated-me-like-a-saint-in-iran-theres-only-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person/

        • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

          Janos,
          To err is human,
          To low, bovine….

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 4:57 am #

      Nobody is every going to read such verbiage shit.

      Can you please try again, and cut it into nice paragraphs! What is wrong with you … do you hate your readers?

      • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 5:04 am #

        How do you know it is verbiage shit if you did not read it? And ease up. Doing a proper cut and paste is an art form. How are you going to learn if you don’t make mistakes.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 5:18 am #

        This is how it came, ‘guile. Who am I to edit such a Master? There did seem to be a little bit more paragraph structure that didn’t make it into the paste though.

        • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

          I recommend you paste it into a Word Document first.

          Select the entire text (using CtrlA). In the Paragraph Menu, ensure Spacing is set to 0pt both before and after. Also set Line Spacing to Single.

          Then go into the long document and add plenty of paragraph breaks. Select it all again, then C&P it into a thread here. HTH.

    • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 10:57 am #

      I’m an aristocratic cat guy, Janos. My last cat was named Dudley.

      The Dud-Meister was a Maine Coon Cat that lasted 19 years before I had him euthanized due to sheer old age and the fact that he stopped eating so he lost too much weight & body mass.

      I miss the little bugger.

      RW

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        Bill from Boston had a long lived and much loved Coon Cat friend too. They sound more sociable than other cats – the best of both worlds! Tranny propaganda?

        The Manx often run into trouble with other cats because they lack a tail. Tails are a big means of communication among cats.

        • beantownbill. April 11, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

          My cat was the master and we were it’s subjects. He ran the household, actually. Yes, Maine Coons can be exceptionally sociable. Other cats were jealous of him, and many neighborhood dogs loved to come over and play with him. It seemed that the cat-dog hatred thing got suspended with him and dogs.

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 1:38 pm #

          I had a Manx cat named Heidi too, but she took a dirt nap about a decade before the Dudmeisterhead did.

          Heidi was very territorial and lived in the hydro field for the summers living on field mice until the fall when she would tend to stay home at night. As soon as spring would hit Heidi would be pretty well gone for yet another season until fall.

          She was a tiny cat and extremely ferocious in terms of Cat-persona disposition. She despised Dudley with passion and hissed at him every opportunity as soon as we got the Meisterhead.

          Heidi would spend hours with a tinfoil ball thrown into a shoe too. She would pounce on the tinfoil ball in the shoe as though it was a pretend mouse in a mouse hole.

          Dudley used to kill rabbits in the backyard, and Heidi killed everything else except neighbourhood dogs.

          RW

      • beantownbill. April 11, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

        My cat was a Maine Coon, too, and his name was appropriately Trevor. I miss him every day. He was so cool and regal. Putting him down was the hardest thing I ever had to do. People who don’t appreciate cats, I believe, have no soul. And really, they are far superior to humans – they are otherworldly.

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

          Zen Buddhists to be sure.

          RW

  49. Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 5:03 am #

    There is this paragraph in JHK’s essay today:

    “The pre-Easter bear market rally on Wall Street has been a wonder, don’t you think? As the numbers of able-bodied people out-of-work rocketed up past ten million during the same period, the stock indexes shot up three, five, six percent a day? Say, what? You’re telling me that’s based on the prospect of magnificent earnings in the third quarter? With every business on God’s green earth writhing in the dust like squashed bugs? And every supply line for basic goods and the gazillion spare parts for everything… all choked off?”

    ………that is perfect for demonstrating common misunderstandings about what does or does not move markets.

    Besides Jim’s essay there are at minimum 3 comments from which I could have segued to a discussion of the recent bear rally. Those comments are by Pete Atomic at 10:41 am, Robert White at 12:04 pm, and NWO at 10:53 am on April 10th.

    The implication is that the rally is insane in the face of all the negative ‘fundamentals’ mentioned in the excerpted paragraph above… 10 million new unemployed, magnificent earnings in the third quarter, etc. etc. etc. A thought cloud over Jim’s head says “How. Can. This. Fucker. Go. Up. !!??”

    It has taken me most of my life to come to the realization that I, personally, do not need to bother with the fundamentals, such as sales and earnings. All I need to do is follow the result of the buying and selling decisions of professional investors who DO pay attention to fundamental data.

    At the end of every business day since at least 1985 I have recorded into an Excel spreadsheet (it may have been in Lotus 123 back then) the day’s high, low, and close point values for the DOW (DJIA) and the Nasdaq Index. I created a formula with this data which I refer to as my proprietary Range Ratio Indicator or RRI.

    When the formula calculates it gives a numerical answer that can fall anywhere between 0 and 1. Ten days worth of these numerical answers are given weights with the most current piece of data (today) multiplied by ten, the prior day’s figure multiplied by 9, the day before that by 8, and so on. These 10 weighted values are added together and divided by 55 (because 10+9+8+7 etc = 55). The resulting figure is a ‘weighted 10-day moving average’.

    This moving average (MA) is plotted in a line graph and virtually all of the plot points will fall between .2 and .8. Only rarely will the plot point be less than .2 or greater than .8. In another column of the spread sheet is a 50-day moving average of unweighted RRI values. This moving average becomes a line in the graph along with the 10-day MA. This line spends most of its life between .50 and .60 but excursions slightly below or above this narrow band are not unheard of.

    When the financial and market ramifications of the Corona Virus disaster began to sink in to the minds of professional investors they began to sell like mad (although, since every sell must also have a buy, one wonders to whom were these pros selling? The answer is, other pros.) and caused a huge percentage loss in the Indexes in a very short period of time. It might be a record unless perhaps the crash of October 1987 might have been worse. I have forgotten the specific detail.

    Anyway, the DOW had attained its all-time high on Feb 12 and fell 37.1% by March 23rd. This is like once-in-a-century market action. The tech-laden NASDAQ Index had its high on Feb 19 and then dropped 30.1% by March 23rd. So these two famous Indexes reached all-time highs one week apart in mid – Feb even as the Virus was beginning to rage. Both Indexes then bottomed on March 23rd in less than 6 weeks.

    When markets fall precipitously there is a great tendency for the closing price to be near the low of the day. The key to my market insight relies on ‘how much of the days total range the index was able to hold onto by the close. If the DOW had a 500 point range for the day (between 23,500 and 23,000) and closed at 23,100 that would be a 20% range ratio (.20 on my chart).

    In a near freefall even the professionals abandon estimates of future fundamentals and are driven by fear leading to several days in a row where the close is near the day’s low (sometimes at the VERY day’s low right to the second decimal). When the Index closes AT the day’s low the range ratio calculates as 0.

    As you can see (at least I hope you can see, if I haven’t confused you by now) when you have several low range ratio readings in a row and current data is getting greater weight than older data it will make the line on the graph plunge quickly TO, or even below, the .2 level which commonly marks an “OVERSOLD” condition that almost always results in a snapback, a ‘dead cat bounce’, or sometimes the very beginning of a new bull market.

    Conversely, in a roaring up market the range ratio number will top out at about .80 at which point the market is OVERBOUGHT and will almost certainly trigger a decline (emphasis on the word almost).

    So my invention is actually a rather common Overbought–Oversold oscillator. There are many such oscillators out there with their own nuances. My nuance is twofold: that the level of the close within a day’s range is meaningful and secondly that current data is more important than old data, and thus the system of weighting. I cannot prove that my oscillator provides superior market insight. I just hope that it does. It’s a big hobby of mine.

    With all the above as preface you may wonder what I think is in store for the markets as we sit on this Good Friday, a market holiday, poised for who knows what after an “irrationally exuberant” run up in the face of what any normal being can see is a disaster.

    Here is the funny thing – the odd thing – after the Feb 12 DOW high the market plunged for two weeks but never attained the .20 Oversold condition. It reached .243, close but no cigar. And then the number started to rise even as the market continued to fall for 4 more weeks. And incredibly by the DOW’s low on March 23 the 10-day weighted moving average of the range ratio had climbed to .47, miles above the Oversold .20 level.

    What does this mean? It means all those folks you see on CNBC were secretly hopeful, no matter what they may have SAID, and they were causing the closing prices to be well enough away from the low of the day’s range that the formula’s calculation never gave off a classic Oversold number.

    Now, off this March 23 DOW low we have had a spectacular 2-week run up but it has only lifted the 10-day MA to .522, a totally innocuous no-man’s-land reading neither near Overbought nor Oversold. The pros were showing some confidence that it might not be the end of the world but they weren’t going overboard.

    Sooooo, my view is we cannot form one of those perfect V bottoms and set off into a new bull market until we have reached a true Oversold reading and a low in the DOW equal to or probably lower, and my gut tells me much lower, than the March 23 low.

    My own personal portfolio is hedged with bonds and other fixed interest type investments as is typically recommended by money managers for their old fart clients and so my losses in the crash were only about 1/3rd the loss in the DOW in percentage terms. During the snapback both the DOW Index and my portfolio recovered about half of what they had lost.

    The registering of “Oversold” also requires that the 50-day MA previously discussed moves down to the .50 level nearly at the same time that the 10-day MA is hitting .20. Mostly everything I’ve said concerning the DOW holds true for the NASDAQ as well. I won’t be satisfied that the market decline is over (or temporarily over) until both these Indexes reach Oversold readings nearly simultaneously. If we are destined for a long bear market we may ratchet down through several Oversold cycles.

    Our host marvels incredulously and in wonderment at the bear market rally. While I also gasp, I feel my numbers are telling me where the pros are going to take the market over the next few months. Orrr, possibly maybe not.

    For the moment I am a BEAR.

    • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 5:13 am #

      A custom 10 day weighted average. I have a secret formula too but it picks horses. I enjoyed the read.

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 4:21 pm #

        I have a secret formula too but it picks horses. – Dog

        ==========

        I never pictured you as someone who would ‘play the ponies.’ Have you been successful with your formula or is like with me and my formula… it works when it works and the rest of the time it doesn’t.

    • Majella April 11, 2020 at 7:04 am #

      Thanks for that, Q. Shtik. I feel like I almost understood it.

      But found one question for you – when a market is in free-fall, the day-end price of an asset is not necessarily the last price it SOLD at, is it, but the last price it was OFFERED at?

      I mean, I could put my fracking company shares on sale at a price I would like, but if there are no buyers, I would probably then revert to ‘at market’. If there’s STILL no buyers, what ARE my shares worth?

      Please, relieve me of my ignorance in this matter, if you have the time.

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 4:49 pm #

        the day-end price of an asset is not necessarily the last price it SOLD at, is it, but the last price it was OFFERED at? – Majella

        ==========

        I’m not really sure since I don’t use my system for individual stocks. I only use it for broad based Indexes like the DOW and NASDAQ. I think I am correct that the DOW’s closing price each day reflects the last trade price of all the 30 component stocks divided by a divisor. The divisor is a whole complex subject in itself.

        Regarding your fracking company shares, if you offered them at a certain price (a ‘sell limit order’) and found no buyer and so you switched to an ‘at market’ order and STILL there was no buyer then you are holding a very thinly traded stock for which there is effectively ‘no market.’ I have been trapped in such stocks in my day and never again. I don’t want to own anything unless it has a large and continuous flow of both buy and sell orders.

        ” If there’s STILL no buyers, what ARE my shares worth?” The flippant but truthful answer is “they ain’t worth shit.”

        • Majella April 11, 2020 at 8:15 pm #

          Q. Schtik – yes, that’s what I thought.

          ————————————————

          On a different & irrelevant point, isn’t the plural of ‘index’ in fact ‘indices’?

          • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 11:52 pm #

            isn’t the plural of ‘index’ in fact ‘indices – Maj

            =========

            Yes, it is but not everybody knows that so when I’m in a certain crowd I stick with the also acceptable “indexes” as the plural.

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

            Dang…should have known I hadn’t “gotcha”

    • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 10:43 am #

      Old fart calculus is cool as long as you utilize Probability Theory, Power Laws, & Bayesian approach to stats before utilizing Decision Theory and deriving favourable outcome.

      If you think Fixed Income is safe betting in a market with no rationality or market fundamentals all the power to you, Q.

      I’m a perma-BEAR based upon Debt-to-GDP worldwide.

      I’m the man that broke the Bank of Monte Carlo too.

      RW

      • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

        “as long as you utilize Probability Theory, Power Laws, & Bayesian approach to stats before utilizing Decision Theory and deriving favourable outcome.”

        Robert,
        I must have said the exact same 1000 times….

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

          Great minds think alike.

          RW

        • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 5:02 pm #

          I must have said the exact same 1000 times…. – ely

          ==========

          Yeah, haha, very funny. As if I have the time and brain power to learn and use Probability Theory, Power Laws, & Bayesian approach to stats… etc etc.

          The markets will have to be content with my somewhat half-assed approach to deriving ‘favorable outcomes.’

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

        I’m a perma-BEAR based upon Debt-to-GDP worldwide. – RW

        =============

        So then you would not be the owner of any equities and at most would participate in markets by ‘shorting the world.’

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 5:23 pm #

          BIG short, yes, Q.

          I would short GE & Deutsche if I was a speculator instead of a wannabe dreamer dreaming in Technicolor, yes.

          RW

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 5:35 pm #

        If you think Fixed Income is safe betting in a market with no rationality or market fundamentals all the power to you, Q. – RW

        ==========

        It is not so much a belief that Fixed Income is ‘safe’ but rather that Bond ETFs (Exchange Traded Funds) tone down volatility in a portfolio.

        As you probably know, professional money managers (I have two, Vanguard and Wells Fargo, having recently pulled out of Fidelity) will first do an assessment of a prospective client’s ‘risk tolerance’. By asking various questions they do their best to quantify your tolerance for volatility. They do not want their client dashing to the bathroom to throw up in the toilet or, worse yet, to go to the basement and hang himself from a joist when the DOW drops 37% in 6 weeks. And so they have algorithms to create a balance of Equity and Fixed Income investments that will mitigate excessive volatility. The mix in my own portfolio has worked surprisingly well.

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

          The number one rule in Finance is to never allow anyone to manage your capital. I was raised by a Chartered Accountant that worked a lifetime in Senior Rulings National Revenue CANADA in Oil, Mines, & Resource Taxation.

          My CA father raised me to trust myself only.

          RW

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:48 pm #

            Isn’t the second rule to ‘never use your own money’?

        • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

          ” By asking various questions…”

          Q,
          Was one of the questions…”Do you like Turkish Prison Movies?”

          The question gauges the client’s tolerance for anal rape…good info to know, especially by any of the popular investment sites.

    • sleek111 April 11, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

      Remain calm.

      Let’s assess this desperate situation.

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

      I enjoyed the long read too. However I’m not sure you really answered your own question – or explained why JHK need not be astonished that the market has climbed in the face of extremely poor forecasts.

      Perhaps the day-to-day market is insane, and has no connection to company performance. It has more consequence for long-term investors … for example it’s likely none of Australia’s big four banks will pay a dividend this tear – they’re usually in the 5% or so range.

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

        However I’m not sure you really answered your own question – or explained why JHK need not be astonished that the market has climbed in the face of extremely poor forecasts. – Cargill

        ===========

        It is perfectly logical that JHK is astonished at the market’s snap-back since the March 23 low BECAUSE he has not been immersed in the markets ‘numbers’ for 35 years as I have.

        “Perhaps the day-to-day market is insane, and has no connection to company performance.” No, no, you have misunderstood my point. Company performance (or, more accurately, forecasted future company performance) IS important but I don’t need to pay attention to the detailed fundamentals since I know the pros are paying attention and their collective buy and sell actions will be reflected in the daily high, low and closing levels of the DOW and NASDAQ on which my RRI oscillator is based.

        “it’s likely none of Australia’s big four banks will pay a dividend this year – they’re usually in the 5% or so range.” The moment professional investors began to sense that (or how) banks’ business might be detrimentally affected by Covid caused lockdowns and such they could see a probable reduction or outright elimination of dividend payouts. So they sold bank stocks en mass because the raison d’etre of the bank stocks in their portfolios was for dividends. I am sure it is the same, to one degree or another, with the big American banks and also with Utility companies who historically have pretty high dividend yields.

    • PeteAtomic April 12, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

      wow Q Shtik! great post there.. alot to digest

  50. Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:04 am #

    Uh, oh,

    I smell trouble for Fauci and co.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixYBNhbzp5E&feature=emb_logo

    • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

      People will be at the beach this summer. But I have a hunch that Americans will be going to fewer foreign beaches and instead opting for American shores. That actually would be a positive thing.

      • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm #

        America doesn’t have many nice beaches, particularly not near where most people live, and apart from the Gulf the water is cold. The US does “coastline” better than sandy beach.

        We were particularly disappointed with LA / SoCal beaches, but I concede as an Australian, we are rather spoilt for choice in this regard.

        • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

          Cargill, the Atlantic beach of the South Jersey Shore are perfect – sandy, sloping, relatively warm and great for body-surfing.

  51. PostVet April 11, 2020 at 8:38 am #

    Any chance this could be “Chicago Boys Chilean Miracle” version 2.0 being played out on the World stage?

  52. akmofo April 11, 2020 at 9:24 am #

    “Washington’s field hospital to be dismantled before ever treating a patient”
    ==

    This whole nonsense was complete manufactured bullshit.

    • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 9:29 am #

      “Instead, it will be redeployed to a state facing a more difficult battle against the coronavirus outbreak”

      ““Since then, it’s become apparent that other states need them more than we do. It’s only right that we release this capability, so those states have the tools necessary to help end this nation-wide fight that we are all battling together.”

      It’s called solidarity, Mr Mofo.

      • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 10:19 am #

        Solidarity? Well then, they should set them up in China and at Bill Gates office buildings.

        • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 11:39 am #

          You’re into clean air, aren’t you, Mr Mofo, and people not having to fill their bodies with pollutants?

          Every cloud has a silver lining. It’s nice that people have some clean air for a while until we go back or forward to whatever we’re headed to.

          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/11/positively-alpine-disbelief-air-pollution-falls-lockdown-coronavirus

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

            Sure, we’re all enjoying that alpine clean air being quarantined at home. Did you ever ask yourself where is all the pollution coming from? Let me give you a hint, it’s the same place from which all the Fentanyl mass murders originate from. So next time you post CCP sponsored propaganda, think what is being said and what is not being said, and why.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

            The pollution in question wasn’t all from China. And it wasn’t Beijing who wrote the article. And why does that make any difference anyway? The fact is that either industrial products are made far away from where they’re consumed or nearby. You get pollution either way. But you hope that in advanced economies people’s health will matter enough for regulations to be imposed to enforce an acceptable level of pollution and that consumers will be adult enough to shoulder the extra cost, for the benefit of all. In the US such attempts will always be fought tooth and nail because the people who own the factories don’t have to live in the smog or drink the poisoned water. And they count on the desperate wanting the jobs more than they want clean air or water.

            Some problems are actually common to all of us, believe it or not. Maybe things manufactured in Israel are made with the help of a clean air fairy – I wouldn’t know. Or maybe you import stuff and leave the externalities to more expendable people.

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 1:16 pm #

            Maybe things manufactured in Israel are made with the help of a clean air fairy – I wouldn’t know.
            ==

            I do know. We have an extremely poisonous petrochemical industry that mainly serves the export market. It has caused many cancer cases in my town of Haifa and China has bribed the necessary officials to keep it open to service the huge seaport they are building as an entry to the Middle East market. Like I said many times before, all politics is personal.

          • BackRowHeckler April 11, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

            Akfomo

            I own a pump action .357 magnum carbine called a ‘Timberwolf’ manufactured by IMI (Israeli Military Industries) It is a high quality production in every way. I think I paid $400 for it brand new in the 90s; I see now they are going for $1700-$1900 if you can find one. It is unique, and fine example of what Israeli industry is capable of.

            Brh

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 7:35 pm #

            Brh

            I’ve never fired or held a weapon in my life, and I wouldn’t know how to. I never served in the IDF, or any army. 🙂

            In the early 80s, Israel produced the Lavi jet fighter. It was about 40 years ahead of the US F-16. Its design was decades later copied by the Swedes (Saab JAS 39 Gripen), the French (Dassault Rafale), the British (Eurofighter Typhoon), and the Chinese (Chengdu J-10).

            Now, that was a unique and fine example of what Israeli industry is capable of. The US was to supply the engine, but everything else from radar and electronics to the frame was of Israeli design and manufacturing.

            The jet was cancelled for lack of funds and US restriction on foreign sales. The US was a financial partner to Israel in developing the jet fighter, but pulled the plug on the project for fear it would out complete the F-16. So instead of selling the Europeans the joint US/Israeli Lavi jet fighter, the US designed to sell them the F16. Well, the F16 didn’t sell, and instead the Europeans designed and built their own versions of the Israeli Lavi. That was marketshare and technological dominance that the US missed because of short term greed and fascist corporatist politics.

          • elysianfield April 11, 2020 at 7:47 pm #

            “Let me give you a hint, it’s the same place from which all the Fentanyl mass murders originate from.”

            Mofo,
            Uhh, that would either be Germany or Palestine….Wait! Wait! Don’t tell me….

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 8:06 pm #

            Germany or Palestine
            ==

            No need to guess. Ely. They’re one and same. “Palestine” is a subsidiary of the Vatican. “Palestine” wouldn’t exist without Vatican/German/EU sponsorship.

            But that’s ok, God has a good sense of humor, and they’ll all be resettled in their loving home country of Deutschland.

          • BackRowHeckler April 11, 2020 at 9:01 pm #

            The engine for your Lavi jet fighter was to be the PW1120, built by Pratt & Whitney Aircraft, headquartered in my town here. I probably knew people who worked on it.

            That IMI Timberwolf I mentioned was marketed as a handy hunting rifle and companion arm to .357 single action and double action revolvers, which are quite popular here.

            Brh

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 10:28 pm #

            Effective firing range on the IMI Tavor is 550m.
            Effective firing range on the IMI Timberwolf is 100m.

            Just saying.

  53. Goodwalkspoiled April 11, 2020 at 11:52 am #

    Shut down the economy for less than 1/2 the mortality rate of a normal flu season? This is the greatest self-inflicted crisis in U.S. history. The common folk will soon realize their government shut down the economy when 90% of those who died from the virus were elderly or had pre-existing conditions such as heart disease, respiratory issues, cancer, etc. which made them way more vulnerable than healthy folk.

    If America doesn’t get back to work in short order, the unemployment rate will exceed 30% and maybe even rise to 50%. Depression city. Companies are going to thrive with less than 1/2 of the phony baloney work force they currently employ. All of the excesses will get squeezed out. Gone. This will be a bitter reality for Millennials. At long last, their bubble is about to burst.

    • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

      In the UK the unemployment rate for 2020 is expected to be around 4.7%, with Coronavirus, falling to 4.1% next year (it was 3.8% last year.

      Maggie Thatcher managed over 12% without a microbe to be seen.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/United_Kingdom_unemployment_1881-2017.png

      Some names there for those who like names.

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 6:51 pm #

        In the UK the unemployment rate for 2020 is expected to be around 4.7%, with Coronavirus, falling to 4.1% next year (it was 3.8% last year. – GA

        =========

        No offense Greenie but these projections sound like some government apparatchik’s wet dream.

        • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 11:07 am #

          I agree to a large extent, Q. But they’ve still got a long way to go before they achieve what Maggie Thatcher achieved.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 11:09 am #

            And Scotland’s projected to lose 20-25% of GDP this year if the lockdown continues.

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 12:28 pm #

      Shut down the economy for less than 1/2 the mortality rate of a normal flu season? This is the greatest self-inflicted crisis in U.S. history.

      I would check your logic … it is only because of the shutdown (isolation and distancing) that a lower death rate has been achieved. Left unchecked, the impact on the US economy could have been far worse.

      It could still happen if the idiot Trump Administration tries to go too early with a “re-opening” in a last desperate attempt to save his re-election ass. Fortunately, a lot of the biggest states have sensible governors, and they hold the power, not the president. They can easily ignore him.

      Companies are going to thrive with less than 1/2 of the phony baloney workforce they currently employ.

      It’s not entirely clear – are you for this or against it? I think the pandemic has shown us clearly that there are a lot of bullshit jobs, and also that a lot of down-scale jobs are actually critically important.

      Not that anyone will remember any of that the minute we’re back happy motoring.

      • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

        “and also that a lot of down-scale jobs are actually critically important.”

        Yes, that’s a lesson not lost on the public. The bin men are getting a lot of credit for keeping things going. Not to mention the supermarket workers who earn a whole lot less.

        Talking of refuse issues, a number of Chinese cities are overwhelmed by mountains of medical refuse and no obvious solution. We’ve got that to come too. I guess you folks have more landfill space! Or maybe it all has to be incinerated, even once the virus on it is dead.

        I wonder about the quantities of medical refuse even in normal times. It’s phenomenal.

      • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

        it is only because of the shutdown (isolation and distancing) that a lower death rate has been achieved
        ==

        You don’t know that. And I would argue the opposite.

        Precisely because you isolated people, you prevented them from acquiring natural immunity, all the while you stressed them to the extreme, economically and psychologically, thus severely weakening their immunity, along with the massive amounts alcohol and indoor air pollution they were subject to.

        Furthermore, you have an economic understanding inferior to a gerbil. Any job is a good job, regardless if YOU deem it critical or not.

        • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 4:34 pm #

          Precisely because you isolated people and prevented them from acquiring natural immunity, GUARANTEES! that there will be a second wave of infections and that this nonsense will drag on longer and cause further economic damage. Trump’s Corona virus task force should be charged with deliberate economic terrorism.

          I would declare war on China and end all diplomatic and economic relations with them. I would hunt down their agents, especially Fauci and Gates, charge them with treason and terrorism, and swiftly apply the death penalty as an example to the MSM commie China propaganda outlets and their employees.

          • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

            I wasn’t sure about you AKmofo, but I like your attitude.

          • Majella April 11, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

            Gee! Sounds like a platform. Why not run for office?

          • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 10:01 pm #

            Jelly, shouldn’t you be busy gucking your truth teller Rachel Maddow. Ask him all your dazzling questions.

          • Majella April 12, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

            You’re such a sad withered soul, akmofo. BTW, how do you get to be an Israeli and NOT do your military service? I’m guessing you either aren’t Israeli, or moved tomPalestine at an advanced age, or you’re just full of shit.

          • GreenAlba April 13, 2020 at 9:30 am #

            C’mon, Mr Mofo. Majella isn’t the only one noticing holes in your story here.

            How did you get away with not doing it? Are you a chicken hawk or just an opportunist freeloader? It can’t be that you don’t approve of the IDF because you’re forever posting laudatory video clips of them. Or has your health regime not worked as well as you say it has? Or are you, as Majella asked, just full of shit?

            I wouldn’t presume to guess, so will leave the explanation to you.

            The ‘too old’ option seems unlikely, given your previous comments, but maybe you’re not as you describe yourself? One wouldn’t ask, but you specifically mentioned it, and we’re all aware that it’s mandatory, even for the gals. Did you claim religious exemption, as a third of the ladies do?

            Normally one wouldn’t probe, but your obnoxious and indiscriminating judgementalism makes it so tempting…

        • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

          You don’t know that. And I would argue the opposite.

          No I don’t “know” it, any more than you “know” what you prefer to believe and hang on to.

          But i know the logic s flawed – if the numbers are low then it does not mean the mitigation campaign was overkill … it can be the total reverse of that – the mitigation efforts were effective and justified.

          Precisely because you isolated people, you prevented them from acquiring natural immunity,

          I think you seriously misunderstand the nature of herd immunity, and the acquisition of immunity.

          That isn’t an insult (I didn’t call you something found near Richard Gere’s chair) – a lot of people have difficulty understanding this issue.

          A few countries (when they had very low numbers) thought they would try that: let the virus rip, it ain’t too lethal, and protect the old & vulnerable. Herd immunity would eventually kick in.

          But it didn’t work – and its three main (liberal democratic) proponents – the UK, Netherlands, and Sweden – had to flip, and are now desperately playing catch-up.

          The simple reality is that the “let it rip” strategy leads to overwhelmed hospitals, large body-counts, and governments looking stupid. Plus no-one knows how effective natural immunity would be, or how long it lasts.

          The herd immunity model has proved unacceptable politically, and unsustainable medically.

          all the while you stressed them to the extreme, economically and psychologically, thus severely weakening their immunity, along with the massive amounts alcohol and indoor air pollution they were subject to.

          I think the “hardships” of lockdown and isolation are over-stated – at least in those societies where the safety net means the unemployed don’t starve and aren’t evicted.

          There are millions of “bullshit” jobs, but that’s a story for another day.

          • GreenAlba April 13, 2020 at 7:09 am #

            Very sensible and reasoned post, Cargill.

          • GreenAlba April 13, 2020 at 7:12 am #

            And I just ordered some wallpaper adhesive, polyfilla and other bits and pieces from Homebase (sadly they’re not delivering paint!), so I think people are underestimating how many people are still working but not in plain sight and in stores you can go inside. I’m getting my bits and bobs delivered but if I had a car or cared to chance the bus I could arrange to pick them up outside the store.

    • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

      Good post.

      Think about it. Companies are learning to do business without people in workplaces. Working at home, a long term goal of Gates and Company, computerization of the workplace, AI, reduced middle management, off-shoring, hiring cheap immigrant labor.

      A lot of the same stuff happened in the early 1930s that the economy learned to run with 25% less people. It took the war to lift us out of that mess. One of the biggest labor reducers was the invention of the tractor. Think John Steinbeck.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

      Yes, every day more and more small businesses are folding. That’s fine with Statists like Carguile, but not with most people. We need to demand an end to this madness. Trump is on the fence, a weak man, he knows the truth but doesn’t have the strength to act on it. We all need to help him help us.

      Thank God he won. If the Pant Suited Pig was in office, we’d be sunk.

      • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

        How can we help him?

        I started contacting my representatives the other day. None answered the phone and one answered my email.

      • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 4:46 pm #

        Yet another word salad of flawed logic and inconsistency.

        I’m not a Statist and never have been … I have at least as much concern for small business than you do – in fact much more, since you only care about the ones run by white people.

        And please read your Constitution regarding being a federation. The Big Fat Orange One does not have many powers in the states, in terms of the lockdown. His words can have an impact nationally of course, but almost everything is controlled by the governors and the mayors.

        And the big states with Democrat leaders aren’t going to listen much to Trump – those governors are in control.

        BTW if Hillary had been elected we would all be in a much better place – you would have avoided the worst president in history. And we wouldn’t have the pandemic … HRC would not have sent the virus into Wuhan.

        Roll on 3 November!

    • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

      I suppose if a millenial lives is a bubble then yes it will burst. But also, you can do ok right now making deliveries and also Amazon and like grocery stores are hiring.

  54. K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 11:54 am #

    The lies that the administration told us will cost lives, maybe only thousands, probably tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands. And like the virus, we’ve seen the scourge of lies coming.
    As a nation, we’ve accepted the lies and we’ve punished the truth.

    • K-Dog April 11, 2020 at 11:55 am #

      And everywhere trolls spread the sponsored lies.

      • BackRowHeckler April 11, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

        Name one lie.

        • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

          Good Lord, BRH. Do not pop the balloon. Groups call others what they are themselves, their comfort zone.

      • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:26 pm #

        Hmmm, got a mirror in your doghouse?

    • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 12:58 pm #

      Things will get better. There have been a lot of disappointing decisions and actions but there always is and always has been every day. Many good things are happening as well and always have too. What lies do you feel we are accepting?

      • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

        That Trump is responding well to the virus, and that he cares more about the American people than his re-election. For starters.

        • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 6:57 pm #

          You think about him too much. If I didn’t know any better I would think he was your Master. He is human so you aren’t going to be happy with everything he does. I see him as being a temporary firewall. You aren’t a friend of the real America at all so I understand why you dislike him.

          • Cargill April 12, 2020 at 4:55 pm #

            You aren’t a friend of the real America at all so I understand why you dislike him.

            LOL … I always love it when the phrase the “Real America” (or indeed “Real Australia”) gets trotted out.

            It’s the sign of a desperate argument and shallow thinking – that somehow a 7th generation good ole boy Repub-voting white farmer in Iowa is more “real” than a second-gen Hispanic kid in the Bronx.

            Everyone is “real” – they’re just different.

  55. sleek111 April 11, 2020 at 11:59 am #

    I suggest reading (or rereading) A TALE OF TWO CITIES by Charles Dickens.

    It’s almost guillotine time.

    • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

      They killed the nobility of France. I wonder who will take the fall today?

      • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

        The nobility of France weren’t a terribly good example to anyone, in the way the lived and ruled. If they had been they might have kept their heads. The British monarchy subsequently made every effort not to be seen to be like them (or the Romanovs), in order to keep theirs, and have done so ever since.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

        Yes, they laughed as the lopped off blonde heads and threw them into the pile, yelling jibes like “Go back to the swamps of Germany”.

  56. JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

    In the “real” world, which we are backing into via a virus, debt is a number one issue. When real wealth is the issue, debt is a killer. Any debt. If you cannot pay your bills, you are history. Right now, debt loads are being supported by money being printed by the Feds, but just enough liquidity to service the debt. When the printing of money starts making more debt, the unhealthy economy is going to go belly up. Trump knows this, the Dems know this, the country cannot subsist like this for any length of time. One by one, the economy that matters is going to go under. There is no more capital to support them.

    This is the decision that Trump et al have to make, when do we face the full onslaught of the virus to have an economy? His quote today is that “It will be the hardest decision of his life”. He is right. But just think about FDR, ordering the deaths of millions in WW2, or Truman, killing hundreds of thousands with the A bomb. Trump, you took the job, make the decision.

    BTW, he said that the governors of both parties will be a big part of the decision. Decision by committee never works well. Trump is now at the loneliest place on earth.

    How about let the folks make individual decisions? Give them the information, give them the testing capability to make decisions and drop the stay at home restrictions. Let people make the decision.

    • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

      I saw some of President Trump’s press conference yesterday. I was more impressed with his delivery than I have been in a long time. I loved how he dressed down Jim Acosta. He seems to have polished his rough edges but was otherwise approaching vintage Trump. It made me feel more positive about the future and I truly did lol that for a little while it seemed like Gov Cuomo was President.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

        Interesting times, the Dem governors are giving kudos to Trump for his responsiveness. Where the leaders must deal with real issues, polity differences disappear it seems.

        However, the Deep State in DC still sleeps in its own s**t. The most worthless government in world history still has no real purpose. No wonder Trump is choosing to work with the governors at state level to work a real problem. He is done with the clowns in DC, all of them.

      • BackRowHeckler April 11, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

        Is Acosta a reporter or a provocateur?

        And if a Dem wins in Nov. will he be all the sudden sucking ass at Presidential news conferences? (like when Obama was president)

        Brh

        • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

          I want to know what kind of diet CNN puts its staff on. Nearly all of them have the same soft, doughy, moonpie face.

          It is truly bizarre. What causes it?

    • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 12:56 pm #

      Well said. I think we can guess he’ll have to go against the Kushner Cabal, including his beloved brat, Ivanka.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 12:59 pm #

        I agree, nepotism laws were passed for a reason.

      • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

        Lol that’s true too.

    • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

      BTW, he said that the governors of both parties will be a big part of the decision.

      How generous of him. His reality is that he doesn’t have many powers to shut things down or re-open them either … the national parks … it is the state governors, and to a lesser extent, mayors and legislatures.

      Trump’s issue is his medical experts – he can’t really move (and the Dem governors certainly won’t either) until they give a green light to any relaxation strategy. And they don’t want to.

      Decision by committee never works well.

      Those of us who live in parliamentary democracies do not have a disdain for committees and consensus decision-making, and we’re rather leery of those countries that are president-led republics, with an over-powerful head of government – no thanks.

      Trump is now at the loneliest place on earth.

      Lots of leaders in lots of countries are going through very similar tough decision-making, or worse. The US isn’t exceptional in this.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

        Your sarcasm is actually humorous. Six months ago you all were talking about how the fascist president was going to take over the government, now that is is passing up the chance, you cannot cut him a break.

        Hahahahaha!

        • Nightowl April 11, 2020 at 6:05 pm #

          Cargill from Media Matters has become my favorite CFN poster.

          • Cargill April 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm #

            Cargill from Media Matters has become my favorite CFN poster.

            What a coincidence – Cargill is my favourite too! I better check what this Media Matters outfit is like.

  57. JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

    The scientists and MDs owe the public an answer, a big one.

    Does Covid19 establish immunity in people, and if not how many people will be facing permanent danger from this bug?

    Flu does not give permanent immunity, hence the yearly flu shot. I do not think that the medical community is going to get away with ignoring viral diseases much longer.

    We need to kill these suckers, in vitro. We need effective anti-virals.

    Vaccines are a bandaid.

    • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 1:19 pm #

      Flu doesn’t give permanent immunity because the flu virus mutates continuously as well.

      “The scientists and MDs owe the public an answer, a big one.”

      That’s a bizarrely confrontational tone to take with the people who are taking the brunt of this crisis. They’re still looking for answers every day, in the case of the MDs while trying to keep people’s organs going during 12-hour days – or in some cases several more. Some of them while living separately from their families because they don’t want to put them at risk.

      • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 2:23 pm #

        Confrontational, my foot. They are over and over again the source of info for data about the virus. They own the franchise. The future of humanity depends on the answers these folks come up with. This is not a smear against the professions, they are high risk and overworked, but a statement of fact. Politicians are about to make huge decisions based on little information. It is a dangerous situation. Trump today showed how afraid he is to make a wrong decision, I share his concern. Even Fauci and his group are having difficulty making sense of what is happening.

        No. 1 question. Does it build immunity? To Janos, the WBC that regulates the inflammatory response is the CD4. Why does the inflammatory response go nuts in 10% of cases? Is the CD4 a target for the virus in some of the cases? ???? It is the primary target of the HIV.

        No.2. What is so special about NYC, New Jersey? Are they special for some reason? Or is this what is coming for everyone else? That is a major data point for Trump and the governors to make their decision.

        • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

          No.3. What if there is no peak? Herd immunity is crucial to following the curves presented. Saw a Colorado nurse who got the virus bad, beat it, went negative, then went positive again and has stayed that way. ??? Is this virus, like Herpes Zoster, learning to stay alive in some of our bodies? Or maybe all of them? Are we going to have a “shingles” reaction to Corona virus?

          We know very little about this bug!

          • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 3:00 pm #

            FYI, epidemiologist this morning reported eight mutations of Covid19 already. Also, that the variety on the West Coast is different than the East Coast and is less virulent. The Westies come from China, the Easties source is Europe. It is looking like the flu.

        • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 3:21 pm #

          “Confrontational, my foot. They are over and over again the source of info for data about the virus. ”

          We must be talking about different people, JohnAZ. I’m talking about the ordinary doctors who are going into work every day, with or without adequate PPE, and keeping people’s lungs and other organs functioning while they fight the virus.

          I have no idea which MDs your’re talking about – I’m not familiar with your system.

          How do you expect anyone to come up with answers about immunity until we have antibody tests – tens of millions of them at least in your case? What’s that got to do with an intensive care doctor doing his daily job?

          • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

            Understand your feelings, no, I am talking about the researchers and epidemiologists that are going to bracket this bug. We need info and fast. My three questions are paramount to continuing on with cures and vaccines. Esp no.1.

            My comment on immunity comes from repeated people that are getting it more than once. When I was in RN school, we had to be vaccinated for Hep B. Six months worth of injections. Then a titer (antibody test) to check for antibodies. Nothing, then a second attempt, nothing. I am one of ten percent of males that does not convert. That is why I want the question answered, everything depends on it

            Just heard that U.K. is number one in Europe. My condolences.

            Titer tests are really important to ascertain how wide the plague is, but also who is immune and can safely mix with other folks.

            IF immunity happens!

          • JohnAZ April 11, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

            Also, if the European strain is more potent than the China strain, it might explain why Europe and the East Coast is being hammered. Again, I would like to see answers.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 11:17 am #

            “Just heard that U.K. is number one in Europe. My condolences.”

            Thanks! And yes, the UK is number one because Boris originally fell for the herd immunity notion, so wasted valuable time. And then fell for the virus…

            Some of the people I talk to are wondering if he’ll think to apologise for being part of a government that spent 10 years crushing the NHS, and whose party brayed loudly in parliament when they won the vote to stop the medics, nurses and firefighters from getting a pay rise.

            We we’re not really wondering. After this is all over there will be ‘tea and medals’ as one cynical medic put it on a blog, and the docs and nurses will be fucked over again. The public memory is short and nostalgia doesn’t pay off your fat medical school loan.

        • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:46 pm #

          My daughter is supposed to be getting some sort of antibody test. If there are antibodies, there is immunity. And by the way, if there is no immunity there cannot be a vaccine. What a vaccine does is provoke the immune system to make immunity. If it were not possible to have immunity to measles, there would be no vaccine for measles.
          Except the immunity isn’t really lifelong as we were told. But if you get natural immunity, it’s life long.

          • GreenAlba April 11, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

            “But if you get natural immunity, it’s life long.”

            Not necessarily. There are other coronaviruses that induce immunity, but it doesn’t last. In the case of a common cold (coronavirus), immunity lasts about three months. This might be the same. We just don’t know yet.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 1:37 pm #

      Getting the disease will soon become a positive, a mark of distinction. People will try to get it so they can go back to work. Anything will be better than not getting it and then having to submit to the Vaccine or Mark of the Beast.

      • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

        Theory. A deadlier strain of this virus develops or “develops” this coming fall. The death rate from the new strain of the virus is over 50% That may create enough fear to get many or most people to accept a vaccine with a digital trace. The table has been set with this initial wave.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 4:13 pm #

          Not impossible or even improbable. My God, who could have imagined our current state even a few months ago.

          Once they can mandate a vaccine, forbidding you to work, the door is open and the table set for endless horrors.

        • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:48 pm #

          SSL,

          I thought you said things were going to get better.

          • SoftStarLight April 12, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

            I think its a good chance they well but don’t know for sure. But that is why I posed my scenario assertion with – Theory. A hypothetical.

      • Q. Shtik April 11, 2020 at 7:42 pm #

        That’s possible but only if ‘getting it’ provides immunity.

    • sophia April 11, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

      John,

      They give a flu shot yearly because its never the same strain. And that is also why is it about 50% effective. My understanding is there is no vaccine against the common cold. Against one particular strain, maybe. Once we have herd immunity, it should fade.

      • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 11:23 am #

        Why don’t we have herd immunity to colds?

        • sophia April 12, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

          Green Alba

          “Not necessarily. There are other coronaviruses that induce immunity, but it doesn’t last. In the case of a common cold (coronavirus), immunity lasts about three months. This might be the same. We just don’t know yet.”

          It seems there are several families of respiratory infections, so it is more complex. I was told years ago that we do get immunity from colds, but that there are some 70 strains. We don’t usually get the same ones. But if immunity only lasts a few months, there isn’t much point in trying to develop a vaccine.

          “Why don’t we have herd immunity to colds?”

          I think we very likely do. And perhaps that is why little kids in daycare get sick so often. Lots ofexposure and no immunity.

  58. Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

    Famous Nazi Savitri Devil was also a great cat lover just like the avowed racist, H.P Lovecraft and the Turks of Istanbul. Can cats bring us all together? No. We like lots of the same things. That’s the problem: they want our ice cream, be it our women, our lands, or our cats.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41757047

    Andrew Anglin is also a fanatical cat lover as are Bob and Bill above. Not even the Cat bring people like that together. But that Bob and Bill love cats speaks well of them in spite of everything. But again, Aristocrats are always at War against each other – just like cats. War is the natural state of Man. And to go to War, you need an Enemy. There They are and here We are for them.

    • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 1:51 pm #

      Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

        Cats or Dogs?

        • SoftStarLight April 11, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

          Cats

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 10:00 pm #

            Esoterically, dogs are closer to us thus their devotion to us as their Leaders. But cats are more like us in their sense of individuality, albeit on a lower octave or turn of the spiral.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 10:01 pm #

            Me too for the most part. I love how they can just jump over or go under our barriers.

            If I had millions and acres, I would have dogs too though.

          • SoftStarLight April 12, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

            I do like dogs too. Same thing too. If I had the space and resources I would want to have a golden retriever. They are beautiful and generally have great personalities. And believe it or not I would love to have a pit bull too. They are actually very well behaved generally. But cats have their own way of showing you they care. One of my cats often winks at me lol. And when he actually decides to come around he basically climbs all over me and tries to eat my hair.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 12, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

            I had a cat friend who used to that too. You really have to go slow and be looking a lot at them to get that or to even notice. Kudos for your cat love attainment.

    • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

      My Anglican God is a God of war, Janos. Read the Kings James Bible to see it for your own eyes.

      I’m a confirmed Christian Anglican in the Brotherhood of Anglicans that follow an Anglican God of war & the head of our church is Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II. She is also the presiding monarch & owner of CANADA where I’m mere servant class to the bureaucracy & governance as a wage slave mired in serfdom under an ancient feudal lord & empire.

      RW

      • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

        Ah, only a “mere” servant. You reveal the whole of your mind, Bob. You chafe under the yoke and thus became a Marxist Communist. You want to overthrow them and became one of the New Lords, though you won’t admit the latter, probably not even to yourself.

        • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 4:30 pm #

          No Janos, this time you are right on the money, or bullion better yet, eh.

          Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us all about this stuff back before they killed Kennedy & his brother.

          I have already overthrown Neoliberalism & Financialization.
          The Fractional Reserve Banking System & presiding Oligarchy will forfeit financial power to me eventually as all castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually, Janos.

          RW

          • Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

            So you will be King over the proletariat, or merely the Elder Brother or Helmsman?

          • Robert White April 11, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

            More like benevolent numbers guy that has a better qualitative & quantitative grasp on wealth distribution than present oligopoly does.

            The empire was intentionally crashed outright in 08 as Bear Stearns was murdered in spectacular fashion on prime time tv. This precursor implosion allowed for Lehman Bros. to be next on bankruptcy row and slated for demise on September 11th 2008 as poetic justice for George W. Bush admin as they left the helm in financial & geopolitical disgrace for all time in the historiography.

            RW

      • akmofo April 11, 2020 at 9:51 pm #

        Robert, did you see this:

        What happened to Canada’s $300M pandemic stockpile?

        https://youtu.be/3CoLwdISwO4

        Has the cold completely froze your brains up there in Kanukistan? These are the clowns you elect to govern you?!!

        • Robert White April 12, 2020 at 11:35 am #

          I’m a poor sot, akmofo. I’m still on 56k dialup modem and cannot download video because it contains too many information bits and will not download fast enough to view.
          Being a Luddite with out-dated technology and low cost ISP allows me to have Internet. If I had a high speed platform & interface I would not be able to afford the ISP charges monthly, but with 56k dialup modem even poor sots like me can get connectivity.

          I was a TA for Social Science students & professors back in 95/96. I taught faculty & grad students how to conduct research via Internet responsibly. After teaching all the newbies I decided that computing was far too much work for my aristocratic tastes in literature & science.

          Today, I run the cheapest connectivity with the least amount of work. If I were independently wealthy I would buy all the latest gadgetry for computing.

          I’m a card carrying Liberal now, and I support Trudeau’s terms because his father’s government hired my father back in the 70s.

          RW

          • akmofo April 12, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

            Blackface gave it all to China, and now Canadian medics have to do with one mask for a 12 hr shift, take it home and then bring it back for use again. You can’t make up this shit if you tried.

          • GreenAlba April 12, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

            “Canadian medics have to do with one mask for a 12 hr shift, take it home and then bring it back for use again. You can’t make up this shit if you tried.”

            That should make you happy. The only good medic is a dead medic, innit?

          • akmofo April 12, 2020 at 12:54 pm #