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In a nation afflicted by fads, crazes, manias, and rages, mass murder is the jackpot for nihilists — begging the question: why does this country produce so many of them? Answer: this is exactly what you get in a culture where anything goes and nothing matters. Extract all the meaning and purpose from being here on earth, and erase as many boundaries as you can from custom and behavior, and watch what happens, especially among young men trained on video slaughter games.
For many, there is no armature left to hang a life on, no communities, no fathers, no mentors, no initiations into personal responsibility, no daily organizing principles, no instruction in useful trades, no productive activities, no opportunities for love and affection, and no way out. This abyss of missing social relations is made worse by the everyday physical settings for everyday lives based on nothing: the wilderness of parking lots that America has turned itself into. Such is the compelling myth of the New World as a wilderness that we obliged ourselves to re-enact it, minus nature, including human nature, especially what may be noble and sacred about human nature.
The old truism sticks: when nothing is sacred, everything is profane, and what could be more profane than slaughtering your fellow humans en masse, for no good reason? Just because you felt like it at the time? Another time, you might feel like scarfing some tacos, or checking in on the free porn sites, or tweaking some crushed-up oxycontin. One message from the culture of anything-goes-and-nothing-matters comes through loud and clear: if it feels good, do it! And if you feel bad, do something to make yourself feel better.
The wonder is that the way we live these days hasn’t turned more people into homicidal maniacs, considering how many are out there feeling bad in this grotesque landscape of incessant motoring, vivid purposelessness, and lost aspiration — unless these bloody skirmishes are the precursor to some more general outbreak of murderous havoc. It’s not hard these days to imagine the political animus ratcheting up to something like a new civil war. If it works out that way, it will be the most psychologically confused political event of modern history.
The Walmart is the perfect setting for these ceremonies of nihilist wrath. The sheer size of these places makes the “consumers” inside feel small, and informs them that they are at the mercy of colossal forces for their pitiful daily needs, their Hot Pockets, their disposable diapers, their roach spray. The shooter is just a momentary concentration of everything else grinding the dignity and meaning out of American lives. The bad karma in these dynamics compels some periodic release. Cue some young man jacked on his own hormones and a comic book conception of human power relations.
I’m not persuaded that a ban on gun sales will do anything to prevent more of these deadly episodes because there are already too many firearms loose in America. But it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement, say a ban on military-type weapons, and I rather expect that will happen. But the political process of recognizing what really ails this society is mired in bad faith, idiocy, and neuroticism. And the political actors are signaling their ineptitude clearly, which only adds to the sweeping demoralization of everybody else.
We await a restructuring of American life into real communities of people working together at things that matter, and it will require the demise of the things that have worked so hard to destroy all that, namely, the tyranny of the giants, the town-killing Walmarts, the suffocating monster of government, the media manipulators of reality, the too-big-to-fail banks. The people alone won’t loosen the grip of these monsters and, honestly, they lack the will to even imagine life without all that. But history onrushing will do it for them, first in the form of a financial fiasco that upsets the meaning of what “money” is, and all the instruments calibrated in it; and then with an economic collapse of supply lines and activities that we can’t afford to carry on anymore.
The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things, just because it’s so hard to let go of what you’re used to. Something like this appears to be underway now in global business and markets. For a while, it will only add to the confusion. Clarity is a lagging effect.
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There are going to be no ready solutions for this sort of things, simply because our culture is too broken to actually generate them, much less support them. This is the sign of a culture and civilization in decline. See https://darkageprep.com/2019/08/05/deadlock/ for more on this topic.
There is no shared culture anymore.
I think there is a shared culture out there these days, but it is based on negative attributes. The main attribute most everyone I encounter shares is hustling. Whether it’s trying to hustle someone out of a buck or hustling to stay a few hours ahead of bill collectors/homelessness, everyone seems to be running at top speed to just stay even, let alone get ahead.
Another attribute seems to be information oversaturation and overload. TV screens are everywhere these days bladting us with how inadequate we are and how much better we’d be if we’ just by this crap right here. It also helps to create endless debates over shite that doesn’t matter, like sports teams, and political nothings the create more division and rile up people over crapnthey likely wouldn’t care about at all if not constantly prodded.
Also, we are an angry and cruel culture. A large srgment of our population loves punching down. With vengeance! They want people who have suffered to suffer more, and put it on TV so they can watch and feel superior to those losers. Don’t believe me? Start checking out the bumperstickers on the cars running around out there. You’ll see a lot of fingers flipping you off, and other nice, joyful memes and imagesnreflecting anger. I’ll bet the angry one ones outnumber the innocuous or pleasant stickers three to one or more.
Considering my observations over the years, I personally am betting things get much uglier for a while before they get any better.
Apologies in adavance for the typos in my screed above. I know better than to try typing on mytablet.
I had noticed any typos reading it the first time, TiredOfTheTreadmill, so I went back for round two and found a couple of typos that you probably had in mind. I actually misread on one of them, but as a result we have coined a new word, and you are entitled to all of the credit (or blame) for: the typo was ‘crapathy’. Congratulations!
EX: “I’d put down my Mega-Soda and Monster-fries, get up off of my ass and actually ‘give-a-shit’ about something, but I’m feeling SO crapathetic just now! Like everyone else it seems, I’m just filled with Crapathy!”
Human beings seem to be far better at morning tragedies than in preventing them. And don’t worry about typos, it is content that matters.
Evening tragedies are also bad.
I meant mourning sorry, but you knew that.
Typos actually matter a lot because they have a strong affect on the content of what you’re saying. It only took me about 2 seconds to realize that you meant ‘mourning’ instead of ‘morning,’ and in that 2 seconds of confusion, I completely lost the thread of what you were trying to say.
Not that I particularly care, and in any other circumstance I wouldn’t have bothered pointing that out. But in this case, the fact that you tried to tell us that words don’t matter, and that somehow ‘content ‘ is separate from your actual words being correct and making sense, I thought it was worthwhile to point that out.
Thank you for pointing that out Devon, and I understand that this can be the case, but when you consider the magnitude of stuff that I (or we) have to get through each day, losing a few because of spelling errors in a post is simply a sacrifice that has to be made. In fact, not to be dismissive in any fashion, to lose those that would be lost under such circumstances may be sad, but expected. Again, thank you.
Yes, I see what you are saying. We have a common culture solely geared toward what we can produce economically. We do not have a culture that values the actual people who produce things. Nor do we appear to value actual community. So with that being said I imagine that you are exactly right when you say it will get much uglier before it gets any better.
I try not be so cynical about what I see out there, and there are lots of good people doing good things. But seeing the larger picture and trend is something I have always done fairly well, and the larger trend is kinda scary. I hope we can change our trajectory, but I have also hoped I could play drums with someone like Boz Skaggs, win the lottery, be an adventurer like Indiana Jones, etc… Still hoping on those. Hope is nice, but I don’t rely on it.
SSL:
what do you mean? Who is stopping any ‘shares culture’?
Is someone/ thing/massive Uber governmental force stopping you from barbecues with you and your racist white supremacist family & cohort?
No. I didn’t think so. ‘You need to refocus and recenter’…
Yes, we are a nation of sociopaths with little actual feeling for others. What you see is simply self-promotion in the form of virtue signaling.
Look at Bill Maher, darling of the woke crowd, who has stated numerous times that he wants an economic meltdown in order to remove Trump. When reminded that this would put hundreds of thousands out of work, and make many of them homeless, he replied, “It’s worth it.”
Of course, he won’t suffer at all.
It’s not just the Left. The right wanted Obamacare to fail no matter what. Yes, it’s not perfect healthcare, but they just wanted it to fail or be killed so it couldn’t work. Both parties are in it to make only themselves look good. They don’t care about the toll on us. Just as long as they personally win.
Which brings up another point about our culture. We are at a point where winning in itself isn’t enough. No, the loser must be raped, pillaged and plundered. Everything is defined in terms of war metaphors: business, sports, politics, etc… It’s winner take all and screw those worthless losers, who cares if they can provide for their family, we won. Screw ’em. Looks like we’re reaping the rewards of such thinking.
I agree with your assessment though it seems like the spoils of the “war” go only to those at the top. The bases of both parties are left basically unfulfilled. The rich keep getting richer and though they feign competition they’re on the same team.
This afternoon I was at a local Mexican restaurant in Marina del Rey and a family came in with their ~7 year old son. He had a new haircut for school. A full-on Mohawk style. He sat at the table with his IPhone on his lap, neck bent down as if he was studying the circumference of his navel. Once in a while he would pop up to take a drink of his Shirley Temple, then back into the position.
The adults chatted away as he enjoyed his tech time. I tried to imagine how his neck/spine/brain will impact his future if he keeps this up. Then I recalled a recent study saying that future generations may well be impacted with this abnormal musculoskeletal arrangement, permanently.
Just 30 years ago I was bringing my kids to this same place and they spent considerable time sitting at the table eating and talking and occasionally tearing around raising hell. And today they still sit straight and enjoy talking amongst themselves and their friends.
I think over time we will discover not only the social/mental deficits having these phones has caused, but the actual physical problems as well.
Chiropractors, I predict, will be prospering well into the next thirty-forty years just trying to undo the damage these devices have done to our upper bodies. As to the social/mental problems, we are talking years of intensive therapies to help the current and future generations to heal from the damage tech gadgets have wrought upon the human race. Face to face, heart to heart connections, once lost in wasted youth can never be retrieved again.
Sad.
There’s a space of cement on a wall on the road where I park for work. It’s constantly being graffitied and painted over. Last week, the graffiti was: ‘We only create (large heart – love, I’m guessing) OFFLINE. Friends, family, workmates’
It was painted over by last Monday…policy, I suppose.
The other day, I found myself in a waiting room with about 12 other people. For some reason, I had left my cell-phone at home, so I had no choice but to look through the magazine pile for something to read. As usual, nothing: People, US, Vanity Fair, etc. Sclocky rags devoted to the cult of personality. Giving up, I had no choice but to settle back into the moment and observe: every one of the 12 other people in that waiting area were totally absorbed by their cellphones. Had I remembered to take my cellphone with me when I left the house I would’ve been No. 13. Maybe I learned something that day.
“Everywhere I go, every town I visit, you don’t see any industries,” he said in the interview. “You don’t see any factories. You don’t see anything. We don’t make anything. We are really the poorest country on earth, but people refuse to see that. We are only surviving. We are only looking good because of our military might, because we are an empire. But this force cannot go on forever. It should be so obvious that we’re only chugging along, bullying people into lending us money and sending us stuff that we don’t deserve, that we haven’t earned. How can we survive? Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been reduced to living like savages in this self-proclaimed greatest country on earth.”
Martinez Celaya
Source: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-artist-as-prophet-2/
I enjoyed reading your your response to the weekend’s mass shootings. I had a different reaction, which was to see if I could reconcile my plan to write about entertainment on Sunday, as I usually do, with trying to address the shootings. I was able to do both, as I found that ‘Point of View: Sandy Hook Promise’ was among the Emmy nominees for Outstanding Commercial. That was a chilling public service announcement, but it did the trick. It won’t win, though. I think that’s between Nike’s “Dream Crazy,” which Colin Kaepernick narrates, and Netflix’s “A Great Day in Hollywood,” which recreates the photo A Great Day in Harlem with African-American stars of Netflix shows. If it were up to the viewers, the former would win. Since it’s the Television Academy, I think the latter will win. I think the television professionals will not be able to pass up something that tells a good story about themselves that they want to believe.
In other collapse and decline news, the latest government statistics confirm a record low U.S. birth rate during 2018. On the one hand, zero population growth. On the other, not enough people to sustain business as usual. I should be careful what I wish for, I might get it.
I took a different approach too.
http://chasingthesquirrel.com/
And Neon, don’t worry about worrying about business as usual. It does not matter what you think. BAU is going to be changing with or without you.
Now this is interesting.
https://8ch.net/index.html
is down.
I was able to read the manifesto early Sunday morning. The fool thought he was a revolutionary.
You guys do know about the manifesto?
Foolish me, of course you do!
I did not have to read Mein Kampf to realize that eliminating Hitler was the wisest course of action.
Good for you. If everyone had been as smart as you then there never would have been a Mein Kampf in the first place.
I read the manifesto as well as several case studies of other crazies from FBI files. Posted at 8ch.net/index.html it was. A personal mystery was solved too. The FBI uses facsimiles of documents. They even index them. That is something I have seen before. Now I think I was supposed to make the connection.
You can read the manifesto. It is not so deep that you might drown.
There are many fire hydrants over that way that need to be watered my friend.
It was on Drudgereport. For the whole World Wide Web to see.
“The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things” No mentors? No discipline, no self-control, no *sacrifice* . It is soooo unfortunate that ‘they’ eat that lamestream media’s BullSH! characterization of ‘reality.’ Insatiability – entitled imbeciles, spoiled rotten bratz. Unabashed consumerism to the point of a mantra – Amerika or the highway, moFo.
2.5 years left – and they gunna be *PHUN* …
Hi Z. Long time no see but you were never far away.
How do you know its not actually 2.58 years left?
SSL – ain’t that a digital acronym as well?!… At Any Rate (AAR – heh), It’s gunna be *PHUN* . And U no *IT* !
“The people may have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that new disposition of things” No mentors? No discipline, no self-control, no *sacrifice* . It is soooo unfortunate that ‘they’ eat that lamestream media’s BullSH! characterization of ‘reality.’ Insatiability – entitled imbeciles, spoiled rotten bratz. Unabashed consumerism to the point of a mantra – Amerika or the highway, moFo.
2.5 years left – and they gunna be *PHUN*
…what HE said…I think….
This will happen more and more – as Sartre said, without an infinite reference point, no finite point has any meaning. This is a meaning crisis.
Sartre was 5 foot tall and thought the Black Panthers the coolest.
i.e.. He was a weiner.
You’re thinking of Genet, not Sartre.
“especially among young men trained on video slaughter games” Noooo. They’re all incels, but they prolly play a few video games. Cause? 2-ton death metal coffins, hitting a daily 1.5 gallon gasohol quota, on asphalt-concrete-metal-glass desert suburbia sprawl. And don’t forget, cell phone delinquency.
Exponential extraction, which *NEVER* figures in external costs, leading to exponential depletion, pollution, and destruction, this is the cause. Literally burning anything left on the surface.
May the Forests reclaim the asphalt-concrete-metal-glass-desert suburbia sprawl.
You’ve been reading JHK far too long. It’s hilarious to watch him squeeze his same old talking points into whatever has happened lately. Everything that’s bad is happening because of suburban sprawl, happy motoring, the gender confused and of course, evil Democrats. JHK is a hard right old man for whom there’s is no joy on the horizon. You may have noticed that Kunstler went to the same excuse for these mass shootings as every Trump apologist on cable. And THEY got the idea from Trump’s soulless speechwriters. That excuse is of course that’s its those vile video games that are to blame. It’s again the very definition of a shell game. Look over here while I’m doing this over there. Race baiting, gays in the military, revisiting a woman’s right to choose. The right is masterful at pushing that which doesn’t matter to the forefront, and with slight of hand pushing what matters out of sight.
And a naysayer shared this,
The government would have us believe that flamboyant gays present at the Pulse Night Club in Orlando were suddenly not taking cell phone video of themselves during the standoff that went on for several hours.
The allegedly ‘killed on scene’ gay-hating Islamic perp Omar Mateen was the son of a former US intel asset in Afghanistan.
A female ‘cardiologist’ and DEM candidate for the FL House Sidt. 48 named Elizabeth McCarthy, who was also ‘interviewed’ on TV about her work saving the victims of the Pulse shooting, has now been outed as having made up her story.
I believe Mateen also worked for the largest private security corporation in the world, G4S. Bigger than Academie (formerly Blackwater).
Damn d00d, that’s almOAst as k00ky as the moon landing hoAxerz@@
Hey BRUH!!!
Mateen not only worked for G4S but it turns out that G4S was sued by the families of victims in the Pulse nightclub shooting.
And in reference to the “human moon landings” in the 1960’s and 1970’s, I think it is all a huge crock. When NASA scientists are asked now why we haven’t been back in 50 years! they say, “the technology is just not there.”
And there you are, BRUH!!! 🙂
Hey bruh the tech is there the money is not.
Obama all but gutted nasa!
What is on the moon exactly that can be used to make more money?
Put it in context new f-35 is a billion dollar per plane investment.
Cycle that up by 100 times what it would cost to land people on the moon now and you are looking at a 100 billion or more no incentive.
I agree with everything you said, JHK. But until someone solves the problem of societal ennui, the old principle applies.
To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun.
It may be counter-intuitive and unacceptable to many people on this site. But a lot of responsible, vetted citizens walking around with concealed carry licenses (and their guns) just might be able to stop the crazies before the death count goes sky high.
the problem of societal ennui
Does this mean we gave peace a chance and found it too boring for our instincts?
I’ve read that American society was headed for trouble when the frontier disappeared. Could be we would have encountered this social fragmentation earlier had World War II not occurred.
Cheers
Actually at the time of World War II , we were taking a break from immigration. Society was much less diverse and immigrants largely assimilated. The frontier era ended a hundred years ago, the age of industrial jobs had been in decline for fifty years, so the need for mass immigration of poor people is now an obsolete paradigm. We obviously have plenty of poor folks who need rehabilitating to the new reality in this country. One might have to mow yards and hang sheetrock instead of playing video games and taking opioids.
No one raises the question of how many people do we need in this country. Is society toning to be better in fifty years if we let a million more poor people , their offspring , and extended family in every year. That might mean a hundred million more. Even the Chinese know there are too many Chinese, if you get my drift.
I sometimes wonder what LBJ and Ted Kennedy were thinking when they changed immigration laws in 1965. They must have been so eaten up with victory disease that they thought inside every person in the world was an American waiting to pop out. Turns out , not so much
TK and LBJ were fools or knowing pawns for TPTB.
Imagine a citizen militia, armed, trained, deputized, 10 million strong and packing heat. The deep state would shit its pants. We might actually take back our country.
>>> To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun. It may be counter-intuitive
It’s not counter-intuitive at all. The police are an example of good guys with guns. But obviously LEOs can’t be everywhere all at once, and are ultimately just a thin blue line.
Also not counter-intuitive is the idea that we all have a right to meaningful self-defense. And just in case the concept of self-preservation is too much for some, the highest laws in the land uhold and support it.
We’re a law-abiding nation. Most people are good and law-abiding. There’s an expectation of justice. Therefore, it makes sense to leverage this aspect of our culture. It’s win-win: good for the individual; good for society.
The big GOP elephant in the room?
“Suspect Patrick Crusius’ alleged motive for the Saturday shooting at the Walmart in El Paso with an assault-style rifle has renewed focus on President Donald Trump’s messaging at rallies and on social media as it relates to Mexico and Mexican immigrants.”
Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about? The brown masses are bad, they are invading us, “they are murderers and rapists.”
Divisiveness never ends well. I know, he DID NOT pull the trigger.
However, you slice it, what this kid is worried about, the Democrats (Blue Wave) taking over the country is inevitable given the demographics. That is, unless some of y’all plan on killing a WHOLE LOT more browns, blacks, etc. Numerically, very difficult situation for Red ‘Murica. I’m just sayin.
>>> Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about?
Remind me, when was the last time the Left took responsibility for… anything? THOUSANDS die in Dem-controlled minority-controlled cities. 20 people? Try adding a few zeros.
There were 24 mass killings under Obama. Trump wasn’t around. Please direct me to where the Left took responsibility and blamed themselves or Obama.
>>> Remind me, when was the last time the Left took responsibility for… anything?
So your standard for the once upon a time, virtuous Republicans is what the dems do? I remember when the R’s had the “moral” high ground, they were the “Christian” party, the party of “moral fiber” and strong character, but I guess that’s not expedient anymore. Right, Ex? LOL.
If the Dems rule in a certain way, then you are fine with the Repubs doing it. I thought the Repubs were SOOOOO much better that the Dems. but you Ex, put them on the same exact level. Is that where you see them, as the equivalent of the Dems?
Let us see, how can we twist animosity towards browns and love of guns, etc. to be the fault of the dems, not the Repubs…. let us see???? Mental illness.! That’s it, the gunmen and the president are crazy…. somewhat plausible, no?
Redirect failed. So the answer is—no—you can’t point to the Left taking responsibility or blaming Obama. Check.
So Ex, you believe that political parties are in the business of taking responsibility for their actions and that I should be able to easily find that on either side? Is that about the size of it?
Newsflash for you Exo-attorneo: POLITICIANS TRY TO SHIFT BLAME, not take it on! I’m talking about both sides of the evil divide. Unlike you, I know the socialist Dems are no damn good, but I also know that the Repubs are no earthly good either.
Why don’t you get on board instead of running with your tribe on every little issue. They both suck big-time, but I suspect you might already know that in your heart of hearts, but I may be wrong.
jdhines,
This may interest you:
“The Dayton shooter was an Elizabeth Warren (and Bernie Sanders) supporter who advocated for socialism, communism and supported Antifa.”
I won’t take up a lot of space with quotes from the article. But apparently from his Facebook postings, this shooter was one of your own left-wing Trump haters, jdhines!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/dayton-shooter-was-pro-satan-leftist-who-supported-warren-sanders-antifa-and
“Redirect failed. ”
In fairness, Exscotticus, your own response was a ‘redirect’ from jdh’s question, ‘Does GGG bear any responsibility for inciting weak minded followers to put into action what GGG tweets and rallies about?, which you didn’t answer. The purest whataboutery. In fact, what I’ve just seen Trump say, with my own eyes and ears, on the news just now is a repudiation of what he’s said (and/or solicited from his base) so many times at his rallies.
Bearing in mind the later post by from hmuller, both sides need to take responsibility for their actions and words.
GreenAlba, I thought my answer was implicit in my response.
The suggestion that Trump is responsible in any way for the unlawful actions of a psycho is ludicrous. Free speech does not cover imminent lawless action. If you think Trump violated this then post a link and encourage a lawsuit and/or his impeachment.
Please don’t water down the term “responsible” and the concept of cause and effect by misapplying it. Please refrain from post hoc logical fallacies.
The fact is that BILLIONS have heard Trump speak for YEARS—and none of them went out and committed mass murder. Indeed, I could just as ludicrously argue that Trump is “responsible” for PREVENTING billions from committing mass murder with his words.
When do we get to see the concrete evidence of Trump’s “animosity toward browns”?
Also, notice I ask this at least once on every JHK post and none of the wokesters ever respond with evidence.
>>> When do we get to see the concrete evidence of Trump’s “animosity toward browns”?
Didn’t Trump just go out of his way to help A$AP Rocky in Sweden? Clearly an example of Trump’s racism and anomosity toward minorities.
Notice how these examples don’t count as exculpatory evidence? This is why it’s best not to give the Court of the Left any credence. Facts that don’t fit the narrative are ignored. It’s a Kangaroo Court.
“GreenAlba, I thought my answer was implicit in my response.”
I obviously missed your implicit answer, Exscotticus. My main point was that you referred to a ‘redirect’ when your response seemed just to be a ‘redirect’ as well. My fault for joining in uninvited, obviously, but no, I didn’t see your implicit response. My failing, clearly.
And no, I’m not suggesting any direct responsibility on the part of Trump, just a contribution to the zeitgeist that makes the unthinkable thinkable for evil or twisted people. I think that using vocabulary like ‘invasions’ and ‘rapists’ has consequences. The responsibility remains that of the shooter.
But I’m interested in the way Trump is so clearly backtracking from his previous modes of expression, as if someone’s told him what to say. Previously white supremacists were ‘good people’, now they’re er… not. Trump is very good at inciting other people to chant unpleasant chants, smile at them and give that ‘look at them, what are they like?’ smile after winding them up, then distance himself from what they’ve actually said (as in ‘send her back’).
Just like the time he forwarded a tweet, containing lies, sent by a Britain First racist, without bothering to check if the content was accurate. When challenged, he just said he was just forwarding the message and had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile the lies have made their way half way round the world in proverbial fashion, with Presidential approval, before the truth has got it trousers on.
He’s good at this stuff. But you’re right that the responsibility for the shooting lies with the shooter. I never believed any differently. Just as the crowds supporting Hitler and getting roused up at the thought of their ‘internal enemy’ can’t be accused of being directly responsible for the concentration camps. But every little helps.
>>> Previously white supremacists were ‘good people’, now they’re er… not.
Straw man. And rather naive of you to accept, or dishonest of you to promote, the Left’s fake news interpretation of what Trump said or meant.
Show us a direct quote or video of Trump saying white supremacists were good people. Show us the entire quote in context.
jdhines “…weak minded followers…”
REDUNDANT
There are no other kinds.
So true!
And yet you follow your thoughts and posts are hardly original so there it is include yourself in that weak minded lot and worst of all your posts all lack logic, reason and common sense.
bendover – easy for me to believe you have trouble keeping up with my posts.
@evilyn
None of your posts show you to be the brain trust you believe yourself to be..
Your opinion of yourself is only matched by your insipid hubris.
Bentover – You really fucked that sentence up. It seems to lack sense, logic, and most of all grammatical correctness. Why don’t you start over and try it again? It might be helpful to you to say whatever you were trying to say in a coherent way. When you know you’ve expressed yourself in gibberish it doesn’t sit well with the ego, especially a fragile one as in your case.
Benr – your posts could STILL use some punctuation, please. It’s only polite.
What Evelyn said! So much more useful, end. I’ve been on about your incoherency for months. I recall you claimed it as a badge of pride originally. Now, it just makes you look like a trailer-trash ‘deplorable’ . Get your education shit together FFS.
But it annoys you school marm types so much!
benr
You might find it difficult to get a job working for Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Minister for the 18th Century, never mind ‘school marm types’.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-rules-staff-language-grammar-spelling-a9022981.html
Brexit Britain is to value these things, apparently.
Re British Imperial measurements (mentioned in the article) it’s always amused me that the US has continued to use these when it could have made a stand. 🙂
The Dayton shooter got taken down quick. Police responded fast but still 9 died.
An armed society only deals with the symptom and not the cause.
These men blame the world for their problems. They are not rational and a personal stressor in their life has tripped them over the edge. An edge that you can’t come back from. The beliefs they have are excuses and copied from others. Truth is these men don’t know any truth and they are emotionally messed up. They are confused, ostracized and alone in a culture which worships violence.
Culture did not look out for them so:
Kaboom
Yep. As long as the alienating cultural concept of “I’ve got mine screw you” prevails, such shootings will continue and likely increase.
That says it well!
I don’t get the impression that these mass shooter’s have the attitude: ” I’ve got mine” They are far from content or happy with their lives. Most don’t get laid, or like an egg “laid once then put on a shelf’.
No, people who think “I’ve got mine, screw you” are defensively armed. Violate their property and you may get shot, but they don’t go out and commit acts which will end their lives in prison or a body bag..
I don’t think the shooters have that mentality. They are bred and raised in such a place and are a by-product of it. I’d argue that for the tough exterior many may present, this culture actually is quite violent, incoherent and maddening to many people. Hence the results we see in these shootings. So far the old tough love of “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” BS doesn’t seem to be working that well. Given that reality, I fully expect our “leaders”, the punditry and the average peons to double down on solutions that won’t work, but might punish people. That is what we have become good at.
As for the term incel, I prefer the word cluecel since these idiots often aren’t involuntarily celibate, they are cluelessly celibate. If they didn’t act like, well, themselves, maybe they could get laid. Cluecel also us similar in pronounciati to Clouseau, as in the clueless Inspector Clouseau.
“I’ve got mine screw you” echoes the culture that shapes these crazies and a different cultural attitude would discourage these mangy lone wolves. There is much confusion between symptom and the cause in all this.
Dogs who do this are (1) not normal. I’ll come back to that but lets go with (2) first.
(2) is that these dogs don’t have shit. Dogs who shoot are angry and left out. Typically they blame their problems in life on external influences and everybody else. The fact that they might have something to do with their own shitty predicaments is something they are incapable of understanding.
(1) All these dogs are lone wolves without abiding deep relationships with other dogs. They are socially warped and stunted. Isolation produces them. Left to their own devices humans can warp themselves in an infinity of ways. Cultural devices can prevent such warping. Rituals and such. American rituals are always about death and exploitation. That does not help.
Yes but people like this are constantly pushed to the margins and intentionally ostracized. The real question is how to successfully integrate them into society. I would assume that might require that society quit scapegoating particular groups. But societies typically don’t do that since scapegoating helps to remove blame often times from those who truly deserve it. Real solutions will never be considered and will always be marginalized. And the problem is in such a diverse country based only on economics and money making there will be no way to come up with an agreed upon common value system or culture.
I agree. The problem is the concept of “we need to do…” or “if we did this then…”. It’s safe to assume that the level of organization that we see in present society is the best we’re gonna get and the expectation, or even hope, that we possibly can do better is naive.
I believe we could do much better actually, even if only theoretically. But our society now doesn’t appear capable of truly dealing with the pressing issues of the time. Ultimate responsibility falls upon the individual and a decent society is comprised of responsible and engaged individuals. And the rub is that our society is not producing enough responsible and engaged people and until that changes it is naive to believe we can do any better.
You might be right but most of the leadership in USA isn’t capable of thinking outside the box, the best solutions aren’t given clear thought.
Jerry, it is worse than that. The leadership’s policy making is constantly being overrun by the pace of events. The speed of change has outstripped the ability of the leadership to react in a timely manner, and the delta between the two processes continues to grow apace.
Cheers
Which leads to the inevitable question of how terrible said “leadership” will be as this collapse really gets moving. At that point their cognitive dissonance will still have Repubs rambling incoherently about Making America Great Again while Dems argue over high school teen drama issues as the world melts around them.
The ONLY thing I expect our “leaders” to maintain as their #1, only thing on Earth that matters, issue is keeping the powerful and wealthy in their positions of power and wealthy. NOTHING will be spared in this endeavor.
>>> To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun.
So where were the good guys HM??? I’d venture to say there our plenty of guns in Texas (an open carry state) and in Ohio and no shots fired, except by the gunmen. It’s not counter-intuitive, it is simply nonexistent for the most part. Las Vegas massacre, nothing, Sandy Hook, nada, Colorado movie theatre, zip, etc., etc. But, I know, we need more guns….
So your answer is to keep guns out of everyone’s hands – the good and the bad. How’s that working for you in Chicago, in Baltimore, and everywhere else? Did you notice the bad guys always seem to get their hands on guns? I know, blame that on Republicans.
If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, would you rather be armed or unarmed? Simple question. Please answer.
And there are instances where a bad guy was stopped by a good guy with a gun. The MSM has a policy of neglecting to mention that detail.
Armed, of course. And I am armed with pistols and a shotgun, but NO ASSAULT Rifles. I don’t need an assault rifle to stop some low life. Do you think everyone and his/her brother should have an AR15 at the ready? Please answer.
I have two ar-15s but I’m with you, I don’t think just anyone should have one. And a shot gun is better for home defense at night. At least buck shot won’t travel through the wall and kill your neighbor.
Yes, everyone should have an AR-15 at the ready, If only to express the will of the people when globalist ass-holes try to topple a legally elected President.
Did every mass killer use an AR-15? Did most? If every AR-15 is confiscated will the mass shootings slow down or stop? Or will the shooters use other firearms?
I think banning the AR-15 is just one step in the goal towards banning private ownership of all guns. The AR-15 (unlike the military version) doesn’t even fire bursts, it shoots one bullet at a time, like any automatic weapon with a clip. So what is the big deal with making the AR-15 America’s bogeyman weapon?!
This drives me crazy how you lefty types appropriate language and make shit up.
Assault rifle is a rifle used in an attack on another human.
The “AR” in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.” AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.
The term Assault rifle is meant to be fully automatic if you want to split hairs but even that term is somewhat of a joke.
As far as calibers go the .223 is a joke and the slightly heavier 5.56 ain’t much better.
Swing by a gun store and compare them to say a 30-06 and get back to me!
Hell an 8mm round is far more lethal!
After watching the behavior of Democrats for the last 20 or so years I believe most Democrats should not even be allowed a BB gun since the vast majority of these types of events are triggered nutty Democrats hopped up on SSRI’S.
Benr is showing a little bit of his typical stupidity. The .223 round is particularly destructive to human flesh because it is so high velocity and the bullet wreaks havoc in the body cavity because it tumbles.
Personally I don’t believe the entire population should be punished because of the crazies who use tools the wrong way. Probably millions of people own AR-15’s, collecting them all would be an impossible task and the attempt would precipitate worst carnage than we’ve ever seen.
For many it would be worse than separating them from their kids and locking the kids in cages.
EvelynV,
>>> “Personally I don’t believe the entire population should be punished because of the crazies who use tools the wrong way. Probably millions of people own AR-15’s, collecting them all would be an impossible task and the attempt would precipitate worst carnage than we’ve ever seen.
For many it would be worse than separating them from their kids and locking the kids in cages.”
That’s a valid and legitimate argument. I understand it and agree that it would be very difficult to collect them. It’s probably not a good idea to take their property, as the cure may be much worse than the illness. Many of my friends and some of my family own them and handle them as they should – responsibly.
To confess, jdhines, I don’t own an AR-15 and never have. They are too expensive for me. But I don’t mind “responsible” people owning them. We agree on that.
I sense Evelyn’s comments on kids tossed into cages references the situation on the Mexican border. I don’t like to see people suffering either.
But I also think good parenting means you don’t take the kids on an arduous desert trek on foot, attempting to illegally cross an international border – knowing some time in lock-up awaits those caught.
By the way, they used the same cages when Obama was in office, and no liberal had a shit-fit about it.
@hmuller
Bingo with current politics it’s all about talking points and most of all scoring points.
Democrats don’t care about kids in cages unless it is happening during a hated Republicans reign!
All the gun BS is nothing but distraction since all of them are protected by armed bodyguards.
It’s only we the little people who should not have protection.
Borders and walls are racists yet they all live in wealthy often gated communities with armed guards.
Yeah, cuz Mexico is such a peaceful place! The more Mexicans we have, the more violent America will become, one way or another.
benr,
As you well know, if you were in the military for any length of time, the issue is projectile velocity, not mass. Ask any VC or NVA regular if they think the M16 5.56mm / .223 round is a joke. Have you seen first-hand the havoc “the joke” .223 round can make? I have. Talk to any Nam vet and then get back to me.
By the way, how many military forces around the world use the 30-06 round in their military (assault) rifles. I thought so.
“With the AR-10 and AR-15 designs sold to Colt, Armalite was left without a viable major infantry arm to market to potential manufacturers and end users.” Who the f#@k do you think makes the M16, right winger?
“The M16 is an assault rifle used by the United States since the Vietnam War in 1963, based on the AR-15. Since 1975, the M16 has been used by many different countries. It is currently the standard infantry rifle used by the United States Military Forces. The rifle is being used by over 80 nations.
The M16 uses the 5.56mm NATO (.223) caliber cartridge, with a muzzle velocity (the speed of bullet leaving the rifle) of over 900 meters per second (over 3,000 feet per second), and has a maximum effective range of 550 meters, with a rate of fire (how fast the gun shoots) of approximately 800 rounds per minute.”
Every dipship right winger should have one! Really? Is that one you think?
I thought rednecks were supposed to know something about guns? Go figure!
@JDHINES
The reason why the 30-06 round is not used is one of WEIGHT IE how many you can carry and not one of velocity.
Yes the .223 is a hopped up version of a .22 round super charged.
You have shown your ignorance for all to see in this one simple post and I do mean simple.
There is a difference between the military grade m4 and the civilian ar-15 pretty large one in fact.
Go ahead and try and shoot 800 rounds per minute even from a military grade M4 and see what happens.
Go sit in the corner with your dunce hat on!
Another leftist turd pretending they have a clue.
Poor lil Socialist anti-American Constitution hating troll.
benr,
I reiterate: Have you seen first-hand the havoc “the joke” .223 round can make? Either you have or you haven’t. If you have you might not classify the .223 as a Joke. You might want to check with the ER surgeons in Las Vegas if they think it’s a joke. Also, check with anyone he has by shot with one how funny they think it is. Please do!
Don’t try to tell us it’s better to be shot with .223 than a .38 any day of the week. Even leftists know way better than that. I’m sure you think a .22 wadcutter is really, a stupid, little joke round too. So shoot one into your thigh and tell me about how funny it feels, please.
Actually, I rather like the constitution… Maybe you can show me where it talks about the parties, left-wing or right-wing, in that grand document. Keep on with your vaunted Right Wing Nuts, as you deserve them and they deserve you. Send the wealthy some more of your money while you are it, they expect nothing less from lackeys and running dogs like you benrey.
More Benr stupidity we find as we continue to read down. With a piece of hacksaw blade and some readily attained know-how an AR-15 can be modified to become fully automatic.
When it comes to weapons, helping bentover with his education is like picking wings off flies.
The weight of carrying heavy ammo in combat is absolutely the driving force behind developing a light weight round. The other half of the goal was to make it even more lethal than the heavy rounds. That was accomplished by designing a bullet with extra-ordinary high muzzle velocity and behavior characteristics after it entered a body.
I’ll bet even he can’t explain why he brought up the subject of bullet weight comparison between 30-06 and .223 but go ahead bendy and give us the numbers for the comparison but include the ones for an AK-47 while you are at it, then tell us what your point was again (and I don’t mean show us the top of your head)
@jdhines
Why yes I have seen up close and very personal the difference between the two calibers!
Why do you think I chimed in?
Duh!
The AR-15 is a nice weapon fun to plink with not saying the weapon platform does not have its place.
The 30-06 will just do more damage at range and will punch through obstacles at ludicrous ranges.
@evilyn
Hey dunce do your own research I own both weapon platforms and have seen what both do.
I have sent several thousand rounds of one and hundreds of the other down range into paper, water melons, plywood, old metal objects, ancient glass electrical insulators and a host of old appliances.
My 1950’s Remington 30-06 is not even allowed at my local shooting range…why because they are afraid it will go through the back wall and into the next building!
As far as ak-47’s go I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one so I can’t speak to what it can or can’t do as seen personally.
I do know it has killed 100,000’s of thousands of humans in its long history.
SSL – If attaining a mastery of English is what you consider an important criterion then read some of bendie’s painful attempts at using the language and tell me if you think he should be deported. It’s a cinch he isn’t Native American so there must be some third world nation that accounts for his ancestry.
@evilyn
Again you post and know not of what you speak.
Grandma was born on the res 100% Cherokee.
Do the math.
This is a message board not a school project nor am I writing a paper ergo don’t like my posts don’t read em and most of all don’t post your constant diatribes.
Bentover – Cherokee nation – sure, you and 90% of the rest of America including possibly our next President.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html
https://timeline.com/part-cherokee-elizabeth-warren-cf6be035967e
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-people-that-claim-Native-ancestry-specifically-say-Cherokee-Why-not-any-other-tribe-nation
Right Janos, your (we) whites are a peaceful bunch, just ask the Native Americans… real pussycats, I tell ya. That wonderful Nordic, Ayran, Viking stock that is so vitally important to you and other folks on this board. Please, have all you want of the white racists, white nationalists, white supremacists, Aryan nation looking bozos you can handle. Have them over for dinner too. Maybe consider bringing a Skinhead into the family through some sort of arrangement? Get creative and enjoy!
All the hatred vented on hispanics likely to engender a self fulfilling prophecy outcome.
1st generation Mexicans are the friendliest most hard working people you can find anywhere. Hard to envision that with all the mistreatment they witness that second generation is going to be as loving towards us. It is a huge sadness we treat such nice people with so much vitriol.
What does a white nationalist have to do with racism?
A white guy or gal that loves her country how is that wrong?
What is wrong with you idiots?
Well Ben that’s the thing. Being a White person who is proud of his/her heritage and country is inherently racist according to the ways of thinking demonstrated here. Note that JD believes that White people have done nothing good or positive in this world. He seems to only ever mention historical instances of Whites commiting genocides or battlefield atrocities when discussions of White history or culture come up. Note how Evie acts as if all Hispanics are innocently coming here to work super hard to be model citizens. Well I think we know better. For starters, an immigrant who truly wishes to assimilate into the country they profess to love would learn the language. And there is no need to do that because our horrible racist society always and constantly bends over backwards for non-White foreigners. And yet these two are still not happy. In these worldviews White people are not allowed to be a people and or worthless.
mICHAEL wEINER AKA sAVAge said it best m
Liberalism iS A mEnTal DisOrdEr.
benr:
“What does a white nationalist have to do with racism?
A white guy or gal that loves her country how is that wrong?
What is wrong with you idiots?”
It’s not ‘white nationalism’ per se, IF it’s true to label. Rather it’s the nasty exclusionary rhetoric that inevitably follows the proclamations form SSL, Janos, Tate and you that’s as plainly racist as the nose on your face.
Being proud of being an American is admirable (if somewhat deluded) but using your own 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation status AND the color of your skin as being badges honor & deeds of ownership to the country are idiotic.
“What’s wrong with you idiots?”
People who live in other countries look at the USA and see insanity. “Yeah, we just need more good guys with guns to shoot the bad guys with guns”. I’ve got guns, maybe 15? they stay locked up in a cupboard and one comes out once in awhile for hunting. Some of these guns have been handed down through the family and are almost 80 years old. Funny, no AR15s or handguns among them. You can own a restricted handgun in Canada, to shoot at a range, only. If you are caught deviating from the route to and from you will lose the gun and maybe your vehicle on top of a big fine. If you have a restricted license and you are pulled over, the RCMP have the right to search your vehicle and home.
We have an asshole who just moved into the neighbourhood. Last week, on a drunk up, he punched a woman friend in the bar when she got in his face, (ain’t drunks grand?), and the RCMP escorted him out, and later checked up on him at home. If there were guns in play, in possesion, someone would have been shot. That is, unless a good guy pulled out his piece first and blew him away. He’s back at work, the mouthpiece went home with her husband, and everyone lived to see another day.
Sometimes when in Canada, it seems like the USA in 1970, but with modern technology
Sorry, but the idea of letting drunks determine the limits of our freedoms just doesn’t work for me.
We don’t let the worst among us determine our rights, now matter how much they abuse our rights. If we do, we’ll surely end up with no rights at all.
Yep, that’s it.
Does that include dry drunks? Why weren’t you pissing your pants with George Bush was limiting your freedom?
Who says I wasn’t? I posted nonstop about the “torture President” and all the rights-eviscerating laws that were passed.
The Mounties are famous for being trigger happy. Remember Jeff Hughes, gunned down in Nanaimo.
Powerful post, pretty much a bulls-eye diagnosis of what’s behind the mayhem. The same mechanism applies worldwide. I read somewhere that two things ISIS recruits (overwhelmingly young men) have in common is that they “never had a job and never had a woman.” And with no real purpose in life, they are easy pickings for the brain-washers who give them something to do. Here in America, though, the terrorists act alone–not surprising in a country that places so much emphasis on the myth of rugged (now twisted) individualism.
Well maybe that is because any and all attempts to discuss the collective are always squashed and essentially banned due to the worship of individualism that appears to pervade everything in our society. This is not to diminish the importance placed on individual rights and self-determination. But how can a society survive if it does not allow a healthy collectivism? They, the powers that be, the Elite, whatever your terms may be for them, will not allow us to have a collective identity based on Race. They will not allow any collective identity based on Religion. They will not allow any collective identity based on Culture. So really what is there? Nothing but a bunch of individuals serving their own self interests in a wilderness of ultimate meaninglessness. Perhaps this is their key to control. How else could a power cabal of Oligarchs come to possess all the levers of power in what is supposed to be a “Representative Democracy”?
SSL – you need to take a big big dose of a laxative. You are so full of kaka that maybe one big purge in the confines of your own bed will free others from being continually exposed to it in the dribs and drabs you keep pouring forth.
Celebrate your collective identity as a human being, allegedly according to the constitution, created equal to all other human beings. Focus on that for a while so as to quit worrying if others have blue eye, brown eyes, or are blind, etc.
So you want me to focus on something you don’t even believe to be true? Now do you believe that all human beings are created equal? Lol and why don’t you want to talk about eye color Blue Eyes? Is there an inconvenient truth there?
Yet another blithering diatribe of ‘nothing really to say’ here. You’re just thinking out loud and contradicting yourself.
You ascribe such awesome powers to your ‘Elite’: ” They will not allow any collective identity based on Religion. They will not allow any collective identity based on Culture”
As EvelynV suggests, why don’t you just go ahead and celebrate whatever you like…there’s really, actually, truthfully, nothing or no-one stopping you.
Stop playing! You realize who the Elite are. I am actually not sure why you dance around this particular topic so much. The Elite do have awesome powers. Immense wealth, deep connections to and veto power over the world of finance, corporations, trade and communications. Their wealth is greater than that of most independent nations. Do you believe such people are going to willfully allow a change in the status quo? I can’t see that happening. Thus they dictate what opinions are ok and what opinions are bad and Google for one is censor-happy.
Specifically, how have YOUR PERSONAL plans and/or activities been curbed or infringed so far in your sweet short life?
“Here in America, though, the terrorists act alone”
Yeah, but are you sure about that?
They’re were many reports of multiple shooters in El Paso with some eyewitnesses saying there were as many as four shooters.
SSL – among your many faults you seem to jump at the chance the throw any cockamamie rumor you hear against the wall to see if it sticks. You have to hang out in some very whacked places to always come up with the bullshitty things you claim to hear.
Put the bottle down and get into the fresh air once in a while. When’s the last time you changed your underwear?
Sorry SSL, I thought you said there were four chicks with big hooters doing all the killing. Sometimes I skip over your posts too quickly. Seems there was some eyewitness testimony to back up the claim you posted. I should have taken more time to read what you wrote.
In a nation that raises it’s children in a culture of violence in video games, movies, and competitive sport activities and then sends them out into the world to occupy foreign lands, suppress their populations, and ship their resources back home, how can anyone wonder why these things continue to happen? In light of the current state of decay and collapse of our once affluent systems, it seems only natural to me that the most desperate and demented of our society act our violently against unarmed, total strangers. The American Bully mentality at it’s lowest.
Take away all of the guns, all of the knives, all of the baseball bats or whatever other patsies the politicians care to sacrifice and the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties on their fellow plebes. At least the politicians and the wealthy do not have to worry about being attacked for they have armies of goons in suits and sunglasses armed with Uzi’s to protect them. In the end, protecting themselves is all they really care about and they will happily do it at our expense. C’est La Vie.
the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties
Like a garbage truck plowing through a crowd. It has happened already and will happen again.
Cheers
>>> Like a garbage truck plowing through a crowd. It has happened already and will happen again.
Let’s us compare the gun death numbers in, say all of, Europe and Asia versus those in the United States, shall we? Are you trying to tell us that four mass killing in the last two weeks here in ‘Murica is just “life (it’s really more about business, but I digress) as normal” in the USA and we just have to live with it? Is that what you would have us believe and that we must fear garbage trucks or rental trucks as much as assault weapons? Pray tell.
Yes let’s compare. It’s certainly a legit argument.
Let’s compare, for example, “socialist” Sweden’s crime rates to those of the USA. We have about 5x more murders per capita. But here’s the catch…
Even though Sweden has thoroughly denuded its populace of any meaningful right to self-defense, they still have murders. They still have shootings. They still have mass shootings. And for the coup de grace, their per capita rape stats are 2x HIGHER than ours. Kinda what you’d expect when women can’t defend themselves with guns anymore. And when you let in millions of Muslims that have different opinions about the role of women in society.
Point is, after stripping Swedish citizens of their rights, all you’ve managed to do is reduce murders from 4.9 to 1.1 per 100k, while at the same time increasing rape from 28.1 to 60 per 100k.
You can argue that 5x is signficant. But one penny times five is five pennies. Don’t spend it all at once.
Exo, Come on now… you make it sound as if there are many dead rapists lying around. How many women do you know that have shot a would be racist, I mean rapist? How many have you ever heard of in your entire life, who shot one? You can count them on one hand, I know, I checked.
Your average hand has five fingers. So if I can link to six examples, will you join the NRA and support the lawful use of firearms?
Ex, no quibiling please.
The Swedish rape statutes are significantly different from anywhere else and reporting is significantly higher than anywhere else.
There are now laws called ‘negligent rape’ & negligent sexual abuse’ where the accused (let’s assume male) may have been pretty sure it was consensual – as in the accuser never said ‘no’ or ‘stop’ – but later decides to bring a charge. Too bad, Mister…you’re busted.
Assange’s Swedish purported rape accusation is based on him having unprotected sex with two females who were, apparently, otherwise willing at the time.
“Complaints and initial investigation
On 20 August 2010, two women, a 26-year-old living in Enköping and a 31-year-old living in Stockholm,[5][6] reported to the Swedish police that Assange had engaged in unprotected sexual activity with them that violated the scope of their consent.[7][8] The police told them that they could not simply tell Assange to take an STD test, but that their statements would be passed to a prosecutor.[9]
The next day, the case was transferred to Chefsåklagare (Chief Public Prosecutor) Eva Finné. In answer to questions surrounding the incidents, the following day, Finné declared, “I don’t think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape”. However, Karin Rosander from the Swedish Prosecution Authority, said Assange remained suspected of molestation. Police gave no further comment at the time, but continued the investigation.[10]
After learning of the investigation, Assange said, “The charges are without basis and their issue at this moment is deeply disturbing”.[11]
The preliminary investigation concerning suspected rape was discontinued by Finné on 25 August,[12] but two days later Claes Borgström, the attorney representing the two women, requested a review of the prosecutor’s decision to terminate part of the investigation.[12][13]
On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police regarding the allegations of sexual molestation.[14] He denied the allegations, saying he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women.[11][15][16] “
Are you kidding me right now??!!! So you are going to use Julian Assange’s situation to suggest that the nuances of Sweden’s rape statutes basically nullify the incredible increase in reported rapes following the Muslim migrant spike? How effing unbelievable that you seriously have the nerve.
@MAJELLA
You will say anything to defend your precious Socialism.
@SSL
Read the above in regards to majella and her views of the world.
>>> There are now laws called…
Majella, Sweden’s rape stats have been about 3x higher than the rest of Europe for DECADES—well before recent laws that expand the definition.
In any case, you thoroughly missed the point. Even after enacting every rights-evicerating policy you can think of, neither guns nor gun violence nor murder nor mass murder nor attacks on children in schools have been eliminated from Sweden. All you can argue is that the rates are lower. That forces you to argue why a reduction from 5 murders per 100k to 1 murder per 100k is worth attacking fundamental freedoms. That’s a difficult argument to win. Is any action justified if it saves even one additional life?
Exscotticus
“And for the coup de grace, their per capita rape stats are 2x HIGHER than ours. Kinda what you’d expect when women can’t defend themselves with guns anymore. And when you let in millions of Muslims that have different opinions about the role of women in society.”
The Swedish government has got kind of fed up explaining the actual facts to people, so here’s the official website from which you can understand why those rape states are seemingly 2x HIGHER than yours. Majella has touched on this already:
https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
Lies, damned lies and statistics, eh…
Not that many murders in the US compared to Mexico and Honduras.
Don’t leave out Guatemala the second highest gun violence country in the world.
Odd that they also have very restrictive gun laws.
What a pointless comparison. Cultural values differ and violent crime is carried out based on the weapons most readily available.
Compare knife crime per capita in the UK (culturally the best comparison) vs. gun crime in the US.
The UK is far more violent based on that metric.
If you want to use statistics, at least focus on something relevant.
“Compare knife crime per capita in the UK (culturally the best comparison) vs. gun crime in the US.
The UK is far more violent based on that metric.”
Really?
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
Intentional homicide rate: US 4 times more than UK
Murder rate: US 18 times more than UK
Really. Go back and read what I wrote, not what you want me to have written.
http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323
“In the UK, based on these numbers, there was one knife crime commited for every 374 people (rounded down).
In the US, based on these numbers, there was one gun crime committed for every 750 people — less than half a gun crime per 374 people (about 0.4987 gun crimes per 374 people, actually).
That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US.”
Nightowl
Then it would also suggest that more attacks in the US are fatal. The homicide rates remain.
Trauma surgeons over here have confirmed that it is much easier to deal with the effects of a knife attack than a shooting (following some ill advised claim made by Trump, unsurprisingly).
GA,
I am not arguing that point. I am pointing out that US culture and UK culture is violent and that nutters use what they have at hand. There are a fair amount of guns and knives here in Germany too, but mass shootings and knife attacks are relatively rare.
Germany is a high trust culture (or was), and it used to be (just 15 years ago) that many people even left bikes out unlocked in the middle of major cities, confident that no one would steal them.
Banning guns, knives, spoons, etc., won’t solve much. A sick culture is sick. The UK and US are, by Western standards sick. To eradicate disease, one must attack the source.
“I am not arguing that point. I am pointing out that US culture and UK culture is violent and that nutters use what they have at hand.”
Then I would have to disagree with you to some extent, Nightowl. As Volodya is fond of saying, I use my ears and eyes. And despite localised violent criminality in some large cities in England, I don’t see the UK as remotely as violent as the US.
There has always been a lot of rowdy and violent behaviour in particular town centres on a Saturday night, based on alcohol consumption, although it seems the latest cohort of youngsters are eschewing alcohol in ever-increasing numbers (maybe that’s mostly the middle class ones, rather than the salt-of-the-earth ‘deplorables’ though!). The loutish kinds do tend to take their loutish boozy behaviour with them to cheap Spanish holiday resorts as well, unfortunately.
But if you think English football hooligans are a problem (which they are), take a look at what goes on in Russia. They don’t need guns either.
I think you have to make a difference between ordinary society and small enclaves (cultural as well as geographic) of violent behaviour.
Nobody thinks of Ireland as a violent country, but they’d get a different view from reading about the activities of the drug barons.
Well, when I lived in the US, most of my life was spent in non-violent areas. I never even witnessed a real fight until college.
In the US, violence tends to be reserved to enclaves, too — particularly inner cities.
I have always been astounded by how similar the US and UK are when visiting. I know all the history, but until you spend time in both places, it doesn’t really sink in, IMO.
The UK and US are hustling cultures that push the acquisition of material goods as a primary goal in life. The UK is more openly class-based, but the US isn’t really much different underneath all the talk. German culture is decidedly different.
Benr, Exscot, SSL – I really REALLY hope you followed GA’s link to the myth-busting explanation of just how wrong you are in your uninformed assertions – but then, we’re all getting used to your uninformed assertions by now.
Benr- ‘you will say anything to defend your precious socialism’. Wrong. I will only point out how screwy YOUR view of ‘socialism’ is, because you clearly have no inkling of how it operates and why it works so well in those countries that have adopted it as the fairest, least divisive form of government.
Wasn’t it Honest Abe who invoked that government should be ‘of the people, by the people and for the people’.That’s socialism in a nutshell right there. Yet the same tired right-wing-nut-job voices in here who decry socialism (because they simply don’t understand it) as some sort of bogeyman, also piss and moan about how ‘the elites’ are screwing them over. It’s all very confusing to we who think in straight lines…
Not divisive are you kidding?
Look at what your ilk is doing to this country right now!
All the hinky crap going on is because fools want Socialism here instead of moving somewhere already suffering under it’s yoke.
I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to when you say “what your ilk is doing to this country right now!’
All you see, it seems from reading your posts, is ‘hinky crap’ being invoked by ‘socialists’.
Again, I aver – you really do not know what ‘socialism’, as practiced by many, many western democracies, actually is.
A list of the most prominent for you:
The Scandanavian Nations
Great Britain
Canada
Australia & New Zealand
France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Italy & Spain, Switzerland
Do you dare to tell me that the USA, as operated at present, is a SUPERIOR place to live than any of the above?
I gather you’ve been in the Navy, so you may well have actually SEEN other countries. In my several decades, I have lived in the UK, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand (home), and visited every other country on the list.
I also know how the USA works and frankly, in comparison, it sucks. I cannot wait to get home in 3/4 years (sooner if your Idiot in Chief is re-elected).
Been to all on your list and some of the paradises also suffering under your Socialist utopia like the paradise known as Cuba and the once nice place Venezuela.
You compare all those countries to these United States none of them have 300 million people and another 20-45 million parasitic illegal aliens.
Hell we have more illegal aliens scampering around than some of those countries have legal citizens!
No comparison and yes The only country on that list I ever even want to see again is Switzerland and New Zealand.
You should pack and leave now and don’t let the door bump your bum on the way out.
Great thinkers don’t think in straight lines.
>>> I really REALLY hope you followed GA’s link to the myth-busting explanation
The problem with this is that every nation uses different methods to tally ALL crime stats. So if there’s no common measure, then what makes you think that we can compare gun homicide rates? Or anything else?
You also ignored my counter that Sweden’s rape issues go back many decades—well before recent changes in accounting.
Finally, you ignored my main point, in which the rape stats are irrelevant. All you get when you strip civil liberties is a drop from 5 to 1 murders per 100k. You still get murders. You haven’t “solved” anything. And you cost individuals the right to protect themselves from criminals.
” So if there’s no common measure, then what makes you think that we can compare gun homicide rates? ”
I’d have thought that was one of the simpler measures, Exscotticus. A gun is a gun and a homicide is a homicide. There’s not much leeway for confusion, as there is for what qualifies as rape (just look at the Assange accusations), unless I’m missing something.
>>> I’d have thought that was one of the simpler measures, Exscotticus.
Not when it comes to nebulous terms like “gun violence” or “gun terrorism” or what constitutes a “mass” attack.
I didn’t compare “gun-related” homicide rates as I have no idea how those terms are defined. If I mention “gun” and you die from fright, is that a gun-related homicide? If I point a plastic toy gun at you, and you kill me with a knife, is that “gun-related”? Or must it actually involve bullets in flesh?
But I agree that a homicide is a homicide. And that’s what I compared: homicide rates. Sweden’s is lower by 5x. 5 per 100k versus 1 per 100k in the USA. Is that worth tossing individual civil liberties? I say it isn’t. Sweden hasn’t “solved” rape or murder or mass murder or children dying in schools. And that’s what the Left routinely claim is possible with a total civilian gun ownership ban.
I disagree completely Walter. If this is not a false flag event which I am not sure how we would ever really know, then I seriously doubt the involvement of some hypothetical “American Bully” mentality. If you take his manifesto seriously, again if it can be, then he had some serious grievances with the invasion of the country by hordes of foreigners who are coming in and usurping the native culture. No doubt the cultural/spiritual vacuum that is modern America plays a role in the development of this man as well. But why are his grievances completely dismissed? If he is real, and his feelings and thoughts as expressed are real, then I have sympathy for him. That is the problem, no one ever tried to relate to him before probably. His viewpoints will never receive representation even though they reflect the sentiments of millions.
“That is the problem, no one ever tried to relate to him before probably. His viewpoints will never receive representation even though they reflect the sentiments of millions.”
The views of the people who were murdered will never receive representation and they hadn’t done anything except, according to some on the previous thread, to have committed the social affront of being aesthetically unpleasing in an adipose-related way. Is it in bad taste to mention them or may I be excused for thinking they’re the point here? Maybe nobody listened to them either so they got into comfort eating instead, but they don’t risk killing anyone but themselves, for the most part.
If you want to stop copy-cat killings like this, the perpetrators – as individuals – shouldn’t be given the oxygen of publicity. The oxygen of oxygen is already more than they deserve, if they’ve survived to breathe it.
>>> If you want to stop copy-cat killings like this, the perpetrators – as individuals – shouldn’t be given the oxygen of publicity.
MANY agree with this. But that would mean not politicizing select tragedies for political gain. Not gonna happen…
You missed the point Alba. He was, at least according to what we are being told, decidedly anti-immigrant. If you will recall, that was one of the primary reasons that DJT won in 2016. He promised to stop illegal immigration and significantly reduce legal immigration. Neither of which has actually happened. Yes it is true. Millions of native born Americans, mostly White, but there are significant numbers of Blacks and native born Hispanics that would like to see immigration significantly curtailed. The reasons for that are varied and many. My point is that for all of the millions who want that, there is zero representation of these views in Washington practically speaking. Everything is always about the Chamber of Commerce and Money. We are being governed against our will. So I am actually shocked there hasn’t been more trouble. But that is not to say that his actions are acceptable or good in any way shape or form. Given the demographics of El Paso I am pretty confident that there is total support for increased Hispanic immigration and an eventual Hispanic takeover of the entire culture. Wasn’t it the El Paso chief of police who already made the comment that he was pissed that an Anglo came there to kill Hispanics? Wow! Looks like they are pretty clear that they don’t want Anglos around. But racism is always ok, as long as it is against Whites.
I don’t know what the El Paso chief of police said, but you seem to be suggesting that he is somehow out of order for not wanting an ‘Anglo’ coming to kill Hispanics. Did he say he didn’t like ‘Anglos’ coming even with friendly intent? Did you want him to be pleased with an ‘Anglo’ coming to kill Hispanics?
The rest is nothing new to me. I just find it unfortunate when people spend so much time basically making excuses for perpetrators of ‘look what you made me do’ crimes, rather than on their victims.
Exscotticus has pointed out that Trump’s manner and ways of expressing himself have no part in the responsibility for or relevance to the crime. So, logically, neither have the perpetrator’s grievances.
Following your logic, one would expect you to be sympathetic to Jihadi terrorists whose grievances include the constant self-serving meddling of Western countries in their affairs, bombing of wedding parties, and the like.
But I don’t make excuses for them and I’m sure you don’t either.
As a comparison with the Jihadi knife attack in Borough Market, beside London Bridge, I couldn’t tell you anything about the terrorists, other than what they did. I don’t remember their names or know anything about them. Nor do I want to.
But I’ve seen the names and faces of the victims repeatedly, and I know the details of what happened to individuals among them and those who died trying to help them, even though most of the victims weren’t even British. I’ve heard their stories, listened to their families talking about them, both after the attack and, more recently after the court proceedings. I still don’t know any of the attackers’ names; nor do I know what any of them look like.
That’s as it should be.
There is only one explanation to say about people who shoot people that they don’t know or are not threatening them they are just nuts.
They should be profiled and called out for what they are simply crazy.
>>> They should be profiled and called out for what they are simply crazy.
OK, they are crazy… problem solved! Wait, are we done here?
No the media needs to use terms like lunatic with a gun shoots innocent people and then call them out as cowards.
Any crazy lame ass can go to a gun free zone and mow down some innocent unarmed people.
See the difference make them out to be small and insignificant and even more so using guns.
benr
I totally endorse your refusal to make any excuses for this ‘man’.
I would disagree, though, on referring to him as ‘crazy’ or a ‘lunatic’. One of the most important distinctions that needs to be made in criminal psychiatry or psychology is between ‘mad’ and ‘bad’. A schizophrenic who’s missed his meds and stabs someone because he’s hearing voices is mad, not bad.
This guy was bad. There’s nothing in his ‘manifesto’ that even remotely suggests he’s ‘mad’.
But, again, I’m grateful for your unequivocal refusal to make excuses for his actions.
It would be good if the media could be prevented from ever publicising such people’s names, photographs or biographical details, but even if that could be achieved, the internet has put paid to any possibility of any durable secrecy in such matters.
The idea that someone is just bad does not work.
In order to murder people like this means you are either nuts or have been brainwashed to do so.
Even the military must make people see the enemy as less than human or the urge for “normal” people is to not pull the trigger.
And that is the entire problem right there. Just write them off as if they were never human beings who had feelings or concerns. Obviously those feelings and concerns became very skewed and pathological (if we are even being told the truth of what happened) and shouldn’t we want to know what happened to prevent these things in the future?
“and shouldn’t we want to know what happened to prevent these things in the future?”
The best way to prevent such things in the future would be for their names, photos and biographies to remain unpublicised. But I agree with Exscotticus that it’s never going to happen. And in some ways, if people insist on ‘public interest’ imperatives, perhaps it can’t legitimately happen. But it would be good if it could.
‘Look what you made me do’ should not be rewarded, ever. If you believe that walls discourage migrants, you should accept this too.
SSL:
You earlier said, “He was, at least according to what we are being told, decidedly anti-immigrant.” So, I guess he’s a sort of soul-brother to you?
You seem to actually APPRECIATE his despicable act in murdering innocent people because he’s thinking the same thing as ‘millions’ of others – by which you actually mean YOU.
So, DO YOU CONDEMN him or not?
If he gets a life sentence (or spends 20 years on Death Row), will you write to him in the can and express your sympathy? After all, he did it for YOU (and millions of other like-minded idiots).
You’re right Alba, I don’t subscribe to the “look what you made me do” narrative on any of this. Each person is responsible for their actions. My point is that society would be better off attempting to understand the motivation behind these acts and look into addressing them. I don’t think hiding their faces will do anything.
And Majella stop twisting my words and implicating as if you know how I feel and think.
SSL
Glad we agree on something.
“My point is that society would be better off attempting to understand the motivation behind these acts and look into addressing them.”
People used to say that about Islamic terrorists. They were viewed as having reasons too (like western bombs). I don’t think you’d give that idea much credence, somehow.
“I don’t think hiding their faces will do anything.”
Many people disagree. Lionel Shriver is one of them (she used to be wheeled out regularly on the BBC after school shootings, but now she’s more famed as an enthusiastic Brexiter).
These people don’t like anonymity. The sad sacks who shoot school pupils because life hasn’t made them feel worth something like to go out in a blaze of publicity. If all they were described as was ‘a male in his twenties’ or whatever, similar types would be less inclined to copy, because no-one would ever know who they were, and they really really want people to know who they were, one way or the other.
Even among normal people, the thought of ‘I’m going to die here and no-one’s going to know what happened to me’ is a horrible one.
Or they’re a member of the US military…
Douchebag say what?
Where in the Constitution does it say the Government has the right to replace the native population of the Nation? Our Government simply isn’t legitimate. His grievances are.
Thank you!
So how did they do it to the Native Americans if it wasn’t in the glorious US Constitution? Little bit of logical / theoretical problem there Janos old boy.
Easy, they weren’t Americans. They were just living here until we took this Continent away from them. They fought us, but lost. Woe to the Vanquished!
They’re not Native Americans since they didn’t found this Nation. We did and so we are.
Thanks for bringing that up. The Founders were White Nationalists through and through.
>>> But why are his grievances completely dismissed.
WHY? Because the CAT IS ALREADY OUT OF THE BAG. Have you noticed the number of whites as a percent of the US population is dwindling as we speak? Just exactly what do you propose we do about it? Ship them out somewhere? Where? Do away with them? Really and how would we do that? Do you think they’ll just stand still and let us do whatever? Build a great wall? Been there, tried that.
Greed and Capitalism is what landed ‘Murica here, first with slavery and then with, essentially, open borders for 50+ years. That white majority ship sailed a long time ago – so sorry, you’ll have to wait for the next great democratic experiment to get what you want, unfortunately it may only be your ancestors that are around to see it.
A false flag? Are you serious? Really?
We all have to get used to the reality that ‘Murica (good, bad or indifferent – like it or not) is NOT going to be a majority white country very soon, but it is still our home and civil war really sucks, even if you think it’s great fun a la the civil war. Read a few diaries from either side and see how much fun it was, please.
Great performance as an agent of distraction JD. Really no shyte Sherlock, it’s easy to see that America is not even what it was five years ago. Nothing has really actually been done that could have been. We could completely stop immigration right now, we could build a Wall, we could encourage family formation, and the list goes on and on. But the truth is none of it is going to happen because we are not even a country or a culture. We are just one big fat ugly Ponzi scheme made to enrich the wealthiest. As I have been saying and will continue to, the ship has also sailed on a common culture and value system. So you tell me what’s next because it isn’t going to be peace. And yes I am very serious. Do you actually believe everything you read and see online/TV?
Exo, Come on now… you make it sound as if there are many dead rapists lying around. How many women do you know that have shot a would be racist, I mean rapist? How many have you ever heard of in your entire life, who shot one? You can count them on one hand, I know, I checked.
>>> Great performance as an agent of distraction JD….
Nothing has really actually been done that could have been.
I don’t know what it is you think I am distracting you from. Your keywords above were “could have been,” but that which could have been done, was NOT done, so this is where we find ourselves, to wit, up “shyte” crick.
I’m not sure you are following me here. Even if you stopped every single bit of immigration, both legal and illegal, later today (ALL of it, this afternoon) — it is SIMPLY TOO LATE. In 20 years you’ll think you’re living in South America (not Brazil, e.g. Portuguese). I suggest you learn Spanish and forget about white culture and values and start working on HUMAN culture and values, as it will get you a lot further and be a lot less painful.
Acceptance is what I’m talking about here, there is no need to pine away for that which will never be. Accept our collective fate, stop fighting it. We had our shot and we blew it. Period. You don’t have to like it, you just have to do it (accept it, that is). Do you think I am wrong to suggest you like in the real world?
Yes I think you are wrong. You would never tell anyone of “color” to give up their culture, heritage, and identity but you appear to be fine telling me to do so. It may be nothing to you but its important to me. Pain? We’ve been in pain for a long time anyway. As if selfishness as exemplified in the attitude you are giving off helps to make anything better. But it want stop us either. You’re the one who will have to get over it. You should join your people. If you think these others are going to embrace you….good luck.
SSL
“Yes I think you are wrong. You would never tell anyone of “color” to give up their culture, heritage, and identity but you appear to be fine telling me to do so.”
Why would you give up your culture? You aren’t going to change colour. Your no doubt charming Louisiana twang isn’t going to go away and be replaced by something else. Your religious beliefs aren’t going to change – nor are your ethics and values. You are going to pass all of these things onto your children and you will continue to share them with those you share them with now. Nobody can take away your ‘culture, heritage and identity’, just as being in bed with a big fat English elephant hasn’t taken away mine.
I won’t give it up but there is an implicit assumption made by those who run everything that I should and eventually will. You’re still not understanding that the idea that all things associated with White culture are inherently evil is an idea that has been mainstreamed and is in the process of becoming public policy in Western countries.
“I won’t give it up but there is an implicit assumption made by those who run everything that I should and eventually will.”
So what? You have an implicit assumption that it would be great if your country (and probably mine as well) were turned into a theocracy. I doubt either of us is going to stand by and let others dictate how we live. Changing laws to make things possible doesn’t force you to behave like people you don’t admire. People keep going on about gay marriage, as an example. I don’t care one way or the other – as I’ve said before I thought civil partnerships were fine, but it wasn’t about me. All the marriages I’ve been invited to have been heterosexual and they haven’t changed one whit in character or or been remotely devalued by gay people being able to do their thing.
And no-one is forcing you to go to a gay wedding. For instance. If one of your sons (heaven forfend!) turns out to be gay you can refuse to attend his wedding, just as my parents refused to attend my planned civil one.
“You’re still not understanding that the idea that all things associated with White culture are inherently evil is an idea that has been mainstreamed and is in the process of becoming public policy in Western countries.”
Well it hasn’t been mainstreamed over here. Sane people remain sane. And paranoid people will continue to exaggerate. Nothing new under the sun.
Unintended italics, sorry.
It appears to me that our second Civil War has already started.
Electing Trump was “the shot heard around the world” only this war is now in the cold stage.
But events like the shooting in El Paso with the “Anti-Latino Manifesto” (can’t help but wonder if that wasn’t written by some dweeb at Hill and Knowlton paid for by the DNC?), can make this cold civil war go hot, especially if the Dems try to go down the gun confiscation route.
Bet you were one of the ones to deny that race replacement was real too, right? Or do you still deny it when it comes up in another context?
I’m with Green Alba on this one, SSL.
Your post reads to me as being highly sympathetic to a White nationalist who murdered a swathe of innocent people, because he ‘wasn’t understood’.
Where would your sympathies lie if he were a) Black or b) a Muslim who were both using the same excuse of being ‘misunderstood’ ?
He wasn’t understood and he may never be because of the lying snake media. Like I said before, if he is genuine then yes I feel for him. I don’t agree with his actions and methods but his ideas make sense to me. He wanted to do something, anything because he sees the writing on the wall for us and he wants us to have a country and a home.
Why would you anticipate that I would have any sympathies for a Black or a Muslim in the same circumstances? Being that their targets would be White I would naturally see them as an enemy. That being said. I am all for Blacks and Muslims having their own countries and homelands. You’re problem is that you think each group should get a perfectly equal reaction. The problem is no one is like that. Not even you. You will have to pick a side one day Majella.
Uh SSL this fool didn’t care about anyone or anything,
He shot at anyone he could to include little kids.
The only sympathy he deserved was a well placed grouping two to the chest and one to the head by the swat team responding to the insanity.
Electroshock therapy for life is what he deserves until his brain is mush and he is drooling all over himself.
This kind of person caught alive should instantly get a frontal lobotomy and placed front and center for all the world to see what happens when they do this.
SSL
Jeez – where to start? “Lying snake media” I guess. As I understand it, he published his ‘manifesto’ on the ‘lying snake’ Twitter account, which was not interfered with in any way. So, he’s had the opportunity to express his views. He didn’t have to go and commit an atrocity, except that would draw attention to his thoughts.
“He wanted to do something, anything…” great. He sure did. He’s inflicted unspeakable & immeasurable pain & grief on countless people – the families of his hapless victims. What did he ACHIEVE for your common cause? Zero.
Re: if he was Black or Muslim, I certainly didn’t anticipate that you would have any sympathy. My point (which needs to be spelled out in words of one syllable it seems) is that your thinking holds no water if NOT applied to your preferred (oops – 2 syllables…sorry) cause.
Ahhhhh SSL…..interesting. Remember you chiding me a bit yesterday for saying there are some here that when reading the mass murderer’s manifesto would say to themselves, “Well done young man….well done?’ Lo and behold you are among the some. My, my, my the guilty dog truly does bark.
I’ll give you a benefit of the doubt and say that you are not one of the ones who only wish the body count had been higher. But there are some here who do. And you know it.
Most others have just been very flippant about the deaths, massive injuries and grief. They are mourning the potential loss of the AR15 and AK47 instead. Which won’t even happen.
Oh please Walter, “The American Bully mentality”. Again, the implicit assumption that had any other culture attained the US’s technological and organizational preeminence the entire world would have been led into a pastoral peace of loving kinship among all. No evidence today or in history supports such a dumb ass assumption. Whatever can be said of Western culture’s current state, its heritage of principles of governance and objective analysis remains the best hope for managing human collective behavior.
Well Cp, I cannot more heartily disagree. Our school system here is overburdened with bullying issues and my own daughter had to suffer through it and sometimes still does. The system does nothing to correct it because it is constipated by angry parents and hungry lawyers. We have bullying issue at my place of work and no one wants to deal with them there either. At our Township committee meetings, the 6′-4″, 450 pound committeeman appointed to act as Mayor shouts down citizens who disagree with him to shouts of “Stop bullying me, stop bullying me”. I do not know what kind of involvement you may or may not have in your society my friend, but from where I sit, bullying is one of the biggest issues we face as a society.
You’re both correct. Bullying is a problem in the USA, but I also agree with Cavepainter that it is not solely an American issue.
In many other countries, the bullies are given weapons and function as, eh, policemen, soldiers, security thugs and whatnot. And the bullies who can’t take direction from the local bosses get shot dead.
In the USA, bullies can’t always count on getting those kinds of jobs, and so they appear in more varied guises, such as the examples that Walter provided.
It is human nature. We are hierarchy-fixated primates.
Cheers
Well done montsegur, thank you.
Uh, wait a minute Walter; are you speaking of the bullying by the feral children of the Ebonics culture that has been nurtured by demagogues for political capital? Peculiar isn’t it, the conundrum faced by American Negros as exemplified by James Baldwin — absolute dependence upon American literary form for complaint against the cultural legacy that birthed it.
Cavepainter,
I’ll vote for the first Democratic candidate who recites on stage “the Congo” as written by Vachel Lindsay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1HrKmBxP-A
At least when the power goes out forever, I’ll still be able to play this on the machine.
450 lbs! Jeezzz – What a symbol of conservation!
I would venture to say that our president is somewhat of a bully, but I may be wrong. More assault weapons may be helpful, however.
I think real sports and big brother or coach mentoring is what this country needs more of for the dis-enfranchised. Getting your sorry ass out of bed @ 6 am to do high level exercise jacks up the right mental clarity to function in society as opposed to playing video games at 3 am, covering one’s weak arms with tatoos and guzzling “energy” drinks.
Right on the nose, JerryDylan.
I believe it was the father of the young man who did the WalMart massacre who admitted he was a horrid father, alcoholic/drug addict (but he amazingly found the time and brains to write a book about what a louse he was/is).
Having positive role models in your life (for me it was my mom and grandma) DOES make a huge difference, especially in a child’s early, formative years.
I am sure some wonks at major universities have done the research. Young adults with a normal, loving, stable home with both parents will fare better in life than the kids who turn to gangs or violent video games to find inclusiveness and a sense of “belonging” to someone who “cares”.
There is a reason all these shooters have made their violent last actions. As a society, we just need to figure out “why” and try to fix it.
Ah but those wonks at the major universities don’t like “normal” families and want that type of thing done away with.
What utter tosh, SSL.
LOL really? Yeah because it takes 57 genders to make a family. Got it! Gee and I thought relationships are complicated as it is!
SSL:
“…those wonks at the major universities don’t like “normal” families…”
You just make shit UP and then feign surprise when called out on it…sad.
Oh yes, calisthenics for the youth of ‘Murica will solve the problem. I’m down with that, for sure. More assault weapons too, please. Let’s combine them….. WAIT, we already do that, it’s called BOOT CAMP!!!! Wha’ happened??? I just dunno… Oh well, see what happens tomorrow. See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya!
check–Wake Up Warrior bootcamp.
We are as our views on peoples of societies past.
Their problems and eventual solutions (or disintegration) seem so obvious to us now and yet they suffered.
Being a seer doesn’t make one more able to address influence the rations and destruction on Maggie’s farm if the other animals are content subsisting on their only feces.
*own
>>> Take away all of the guns, all of the knives, all of the baseball bats or whatever other patsies the politicians care to sacrifice and the demented will surely find other ways to inflict mass casualties on their fellow plebes.
Why doesn’t it happen in any other country then (very odd), where they have done just that (taken away the guns)? The US is UNIQUE in the industrialized world for the number of gun deaths (about 40,000/year) and injuries and FAR outpaces any other country. I mean outpaces, by a country mile. The one variable that is VERY DIFFERENT to all the other countries is the number of guns per capita, but that is science and may not count. Sorry stupid argument… my apologies.
We all (right wing, Red ‘Murica) know that science is mainly hogwash and horse shit, climate change and all the other BS, right? G_d created the world, what is it’s current age, say 1,100 years or something. Shit, there are trees way older than that and what about them dinosaur bones? Inconvenient truths, maybe? I am confused over this…
Jeez, have fun with not finding God because the temporal realm confused you into thinking it meant white cadillac driving seven figure pulling hypocrites (or fill in your boogie man).
There would be no America without violence. We took the Continent by force from people related to the Mexicans. Now they’re taking it back and they want us to just accept it.
Mexico is extremely violent. The more of these people we have, the more violent America will become. So are those who advocate for mass immigration really for Peace? I think not.
By the way Martin Luther Kunstler, your treatise here is undoubtedly the finest I have ever seen written to date. It should be printed out in bold format and nailed to the doors of every courthouse, police station, government building and Walmart throughout the land. Bravo!
These recent mass killings are another major sign that the country is in deep deep decay on the deepest existential-cultural level.
No worries of course, I’m sure most of the media and the ‘American public’ will attribute this all to being just “some evil lunatics”, and fail to recognize the horror of the societal conditions that are incubating and hatching these lunatics.
Example: The Liberal media have already and automatically taken this and spinned it into their Biblical Good vs Evil story around gun control… A grand narrative where the professional, prosperous, technocratic elite once for all succeed in regulating gun control with their algorithms against the heathen horde that are the ‘conservatives’! Of course, Lets just ignore the fact the even if it’s made so that people can’t get guns anymore (practically impossible) there are other means like gasoline and semi-trucks and home made explosives (you can actually but the chemicals and components at your local hardware store for a few hundred bucks) to do a “mass killing”.
This is basically what Kunstler has said, but it is great quote I read once:
“When inward life dries up, when feeling decreases and apathy increases, when one cannot affect or even genuinely touch another person, violence flares up as a daimonic necessity for contact, a mad drive forcing touch in the most direct way possible.” – Rollo May
That description seems accurate for the majority of America. Frightening stuff, just drive around town and experience the fury people express when you take more than a second to get moving at a green light. So what are we to do when faced with the seemingly unchangeble reality of this country?
It will get really bad once there is any “move” to begin confiscating guns on a large scale. The problem is that the government is not really seen as legitimate anymore though most people go through the motions still of following through with their daily activities as normal. Once there is any sort of disruption like a prolonged power outage or some sort of banking meltdown the veneer of civilization will be ripped away very easily as animosity and pent up frustration bubble just beneath the surface.
I totally agree. Americans will ignore gun confiscation just like they have prohibition and drug laws. The government doesn’t have the manpower to enforce it. The entire US Marine Corps could not have enforced the fifty five mile per hour speed limit. When a large minority ignores a law it is ineffective. Local cops I have talked to would not be helpful to the feds in disarming their neighbors.
Exactly, laws upon laws can be passed but if that law is not in the hearts of the people it really isn’t worth anything. The bonds of society cannot be legislated in reality. Sure we can all be told what to do and how to do it, but if a person really doesn’t believe in something then they will find ways to do what they think is best. The bonds that hold society together need to be organic in order to be truly effective.
>>> there are other means like gasoline and semi-trucks and home made explosives (you can actually bu[y]t the chemicals and components at your local hardware store for a few hundred bucks) to do a “mass killing”.
Oh and this happens so frequently in other countries, right? Which countries had 4 separate mass chemical, rental truck killings (or the equivalent) in the last 10 days? Anyone. Bueller? Anyone at all? Whaaaaaaaaat? None, WTF?
Just because you don’t know about it or hear about it means it’s not happening?
In a word, Yes… It would be all over the net for bragging rights alone.
doubtful.
“Anyone. Bueller? Anyone at all? Whaaaaaaaaat? None, WTF?”
…Looks like you are a good candidate for pulling a mass killing by the sheer degree of your “black and white” anger. look in the mirror.
lol
Anger? I’m not angry – disillusioned and resigned, maybe, but not angry. lol
Add brainwashed and clueless to that list.
These young men sought meaning by doing what the Elite refuse to do: enforce our borders. The blood is on their hands for not doing what they are mandated to do in the case of elected officials.
Jim, have you seen this?
The quaint ‘village’ on the roof of a mall,
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/aug/05/suburb-in-the-sky-how-jakartans-built-an-entire-village-on-top-of-a-mall?fbclid=IwAR1hCKXDwLumpJ4hCVziXQSe6s9P0YXvDMef9aMRtlygnEOl3lkVIZ_aKCY
Hit and miss. The air quality looks abysmal. Hard to say about the housing. I read a blog for a while about a Westerner who moved into modern housing in India. Structure was sound, but there were unpleasant infrastructure problems.
A fun aspect of the ‘village’ is that one could literally point down and factually state, “there be Hell!”
Cheers
Wow, thirty million people in and around that city. A glimpse of the future here with too many people.
I got sidetracked into another article linked from that one, then into the comments, some from Indonesians working abroad, others from people who’d spent some time working in Indonesia, others from people pointing out that population density in England is waaaaay higher than in Indonesia, Jakarta notwithstanding.
I also learned that Indonesians have an excellent birth control programme in place. That they don’t like emigrating. When they work away, they almost always like to come home. They’re home birds, so it must have something going for it. And that they’re lovely, friendly people, much more so than in European capitals.
SpeedyBB can perhaps amplify, if he’s around.
Previously (until my daughter visited a couple of times) my main recollections of it were in relation to the genocide its US-backed government inflicted on East Timor after invading and occupying it.
But I suppose we can’t blame that on the people.
Hi Jim,
unless these bloody skirmishes are the precursor to some more general outbreak of murderous havoc. It’s not hard these days to imagine the political animus ratcheting up to something like a new civil war.
I expect to see the return of Routiers.
If it works out that way, it will be the most psychologically confused political event of modern history.
Astute observation. And liable to drag on the way the Hundred Years War did.
Cheers
And add to all you said, a lack of connection to other people, particularly those in the same age group, and a lack of social skills on the rare occasions they do have face-to-face contact. It’s been a while since I met anyone in their early twenties who could carry on a conversation and with the rise in online courses, this skill is further degraded. What used to be a classroom setting for discussion and a place to make acquaintances has been replaced by isolation. And it’s not going to get better either.
And when people go out, their faces are focused on their (not so) smart phones. An inhuman way of existing, much less living.
Cheers
If a fool peers into an IPhone, don’t expect a wise man to look back out.
The last 4 years, every month and year has set the all time high temp record. U do realize this is exponential feedback we’re in now, no?
2.5 years left. May as well keep hitting your daily 1.5 gallon gasohol *quota* .
Hi SW
You may find this ‘phone option interesting!
d’oh. Here’s the link:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/111949051/boring-smartphone-removes-social-media-and-email-distractions
When the last school shooting happened, I wondered how this was over history:
https://peakfuture.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/the-rat-problem/
I wonder if there has been an analysis of random violence over the ages; does it correlate with the kind of social landscape we have now?
The use of cheap automatic weapons to lash out at the world do seem like a symptom; I think jeff2002 and Walter B make those points. The truck terrorism that happened a while ago in France is a good example that people can inflict a lot of damage without using firearms.
Well, peak future “cheap automatic weapons” have been around for awhile……way before mass shootings became as common as they are today. That should indicate something
Semi-automatic meaning one bullet out for each pull of the trigger.
Full auto squeeze trigger and bullets go till out of ammo.
Full auto is pretty tough to actually hit anything as the gun pulls up so you are taught to use three round bursts.
The term assault weapon is really annoying as it really means a weapon used to assault someone.
I bb gun can be an assault weapon!
Even thirty years ago, who could have imagined someone just randomly killing as many people as possible and still being sane enough to plan it? It may be a long emergency but Rome didn’t burn in a day.
If the president caves and advocates for a ban on “military-style” weapons, this move in itself might well be the catalyst for the new civil war that folks more and more are mentioning. Most don’t understand that the 2nd amendment issue and the make-up of the supreme court probably were the two most powerful reasons for Trump’s election success.
I agree. We are at a pivotal moment. Trump could very well lose in 2020, if we get the far, depending on what he does in response to this.
(Sigh).
SSL – Really? What ‘he’ does in response to this, will determine whether we make it to the 2020 election?
Catastrophize much?
The idea of an assault weapon ban may sound good to the simple minded and the non-caring, but it is a no go and useless. I am aware of a number of arms manufacturers that have already made AR style rifles that are specifically made to bypass the “Legal” terms of assault rifle, yet still be an AR in every aspect. No doubt the lawyers will litigate over these soon and for great profit. When specific types of anything are banned, some people turn them in some do not, the things will still be out there and available. The only way to “get rid” of a great number of them would be door to door invasive searches and THAT will create far more casualties than the mass shooting themselves.
The biggest fear that the law enforcement people have is that confiscation will take place using driver’s licenses as a primer. Plans are made if enacted to have every traffic stop cop check the DL to see if the driver is a firearms owner. If the driver is and confiscation has been enacted, the driver will be taken into custody on the spot. The home will then be scheduled for a SWAT search and seizure and everything will be taken. Any “legal” firearms can be sought to be returned through the court. The cops are not happy at all about this because every traffic stop becomes a potential shootout once word gets around. I do not know if they will seriously consider implementing this or not, but the plan IS on the books. You all may trust you government if you care too, but I shall not.
They would have a hard time getting local cops to do this. Even the state troopers are cut from the same cloth as civilian gun owners in my state. The feds could not enforce this with only their manpower and they would face Ruby Ridge or David Koresh type resistance when they try. It would be a hard row to hoe.
Even in if they tried to use the military it would not be easy. All our boys with all their toys haven’t been able to disarm the Afghans in eighteen years
Come on its rules of engagement in the way not the ability to do so.
I would love to believe that most law enforcement people would refuse to disarm America, but a paycheck and a pension normally buys total compliance to the whim of those handing out the dough.
Just keep on blaming white man for all of society’s ills….lets see where that gets ya………just like black men were blamed for all of society’s ills in the 60s
Don’t worry, they plan on it! But unlike then, its not just Black men. All Whites are being blamed for all of the world’s problem. Top that off with the message being preached in every avenue that Whites are irredeemable and inherently racist (evil) by nature.
I fully agree with everything you are saying today, Jim. Our culture is pretty sad indeed and the politicians are not standing up with conviction to turn any of it around for the better. Complexity within & between cultures and sovereigns just adds to the overall dynamic of failure for people, populations, & systems. High Finance is failing because of complexity and the lack of backing for monetary policy or fiat currency. The whole system is imploding because of the 08 crisis which was never ameliorated whatsoever.
Nature is an open systems cybernetic whereas our manufactured world of things is closed-looped and falling prey to the kind of entropy that allows manmade infrastructure to fall back to nature.
We have reached the nadir of life & civilization where everything will run downhill from this point. Moreover, the hysteria and histrionics of mass murder cuts through the noise of everyday life to sound the alarm for populations that something is amiss with respect to individual personality and neuropsychology when these kinds of levels of psychopathology manifest to yield yet more front page headlines of mayhem before coffee in the morning.
Life does indeed suck most days when society just ignores the pathology brewing individually amongst the less grounded in society.
One thing I full agree with you on is the importance of education.
And Freud always said…’where id was ego shall be’, eh.
RW
Very well summed up, James.
Jim,
You might add that for most of our young miscreants today the only realistic future they have is to either hire on with MICC Inc. and go spread this kind of mayhem overseas (but worry not, coming soon to a domestic locale near you as well) or become “independent contractors,” and just do it themselves right where they’re at with the resources they have at hand (no doubt facilitated by deep state operatives in most cases as well, of course). You almost have to admire their pluck for striking out on their own like this. They’re at least striving to be true originals – original copycats anyway – rather than mere derivative agents acting on behalf of the deep state.
Ahh well! We live, we die, and for the rest of our lives from here on out now we’re guaranteed to live in extremely interesting times, as the chickens of US hyper-militarism have indeed come home to roost. The peaceful world we imagined we grew up in (which was always a lie, to be sure) is giving way to the utterly anarchic and chaotic world we’ve created.
The peaceful world we imagined we grew up in
It was more peaceful, at least, for many Westerners.
One reason is the postwar order that was imposed and which held until the Vietnam era or so.
The other reason is that WW2 was a very effective agent of attrition that culled the boldest and most aggressive of the combatant nations. That demographic effect was smoothed over by generations of high birth rates.
Cheers
By the time the Yippies hit Chicago for their municipal & state police donnybrook the era of peace was in shambles and the hippies & establishment realized that speaking truth-to-power involved the corollary of peace which is violence. In brief, our childhood was not the Halcyon days you describe, Ol’ Scratch.
More importantly, it was domestic war between the state goons and the hippies.
The hippies won the war when Tricky Dick was unceremoniously turfed from office.
Peace out!
RW
The midnight blue screen of https://8ch.net/index.html and whatever else a man in the middle wants to push at them. The rest are questions.
I wonder how many get pushed before one pops. Did two go off this time. Once mission is accomplished do butterflies, bunnies and nerd porn get pushed to calm the un-triggered but aroused down. Scratch, what do you say?
Something like that. MK Ultra’s legacy is alive and thriving these days, that’s for damn sure.
The shooter is just a momentary concentration of everything else grinding the dignity and meaning out of American lives…
Profound and powerful writing.
The best phrase in this post: “a comic book conception of human power relations.” Couldn’t be any more true than that.
Et tu, Brute?
When I look around at the endless supply of ugly, crude, miserable people, who spend what little money they have either on self-mutilation in various forms, or drugs, I’m not surprised that this is happening. I’m more surprised that it’s not a daily occurrence.
What kind of hope can one have when we see no restraint on behavior anywhere anymore? Every fringe activity is now celebrated and accepted as normal behavior, when it should be pushed back to the fringe by a a society that understands that norms of behavior are there to maintain balance. The freakshow influencers that are running our culture are shoving this insanity down our throats, and telling us that if we don’t accept it, we’re all phobes. Any thinking person sees the unraveling that is happening from all this, but the mob keeps them quiet. At what point does the reaction occur, and are we only witnessing the initial symptoms?
When a society and culture are in anarchy, one can only expect these random insane acts from people who have no boundaries, no responsibility, no pride in themselves, and no hope.
People need a rudder to set their path through life. Call it education, parents or church, the first 5 to 10 years of life are critical for individual behavior and thought. Progressivism is trying its darndest to destroy the rudders of our society. What is left will aimlessly just drift away.
Everyday is a black mass. I can sense it from the bowels of every power center. I went to one of those large lawn concerts last night (free ticket from a buddy), and every other song was figuratively about worshiping Satan.
10 remarkable forecasts and assumptions that Washington is making and isn’t telling you.
These are all contained in the Congressional Budget Office’s most recent Long-Term Budget Outlook, the cornerstone document of government financial and economic planning.
1. We’re going to have a lot more immigrants. A lot. They’re expecting a net 22.5 million more immigrants to come to the U.S. over the next 20 years. By 2049, they’re expecting immigration to account for a stunning 87% of annual population growth.
2. We’re going to have a lot more illegal immigrants. Despite the current bluster and the scandals at the border, the CBO expects we’ll have 2.4 million more illegal immigrants (or “undocumented residents,” or whatever) in 20 years’ time than we have today.
3. We’re going to be up to our eyeballs in debt. The national debt is expected to skyrocket to an “unprecedented” 144% of gross domestic product by 2049, or twice the level today. That would put the debt just under $100 trillion. The figure today: Around $18 trillion. As recently as 2000: $4 trillion. Oh, and this isn’t even the worst-case scenario: The national debt could exceed 200% of GDP in 30 years’ time, the CBO acknowledges.
4. We’re going to owe so much money that by 2049 the annual interest on the debt will be about 5% of gross domestic product — roughly the share that we spend today on Social Security. And that’s even if interest rates stay low. Despite rising debt and federal spending, the government is expecting — or hoping — the average rate on federal debt will rise only from today’s lowly 2.4% to 4.2%, still modest by historic standards, by 2049.
5. This debt, and these deficits, will damage the economy. They will crowd private investment out of the debt markets, reducing income and growth, says the CBO. And as we’ll have to borrow more and more from abroad to finance the government, they’ll lead to bigger and bigger interest payments leaving the country.
6. Social Security, Medicare, other health programs and net interest are going to soak up so much of the budget that we’re going to have to slash everything else to the smallest share of the economy in 70 years — just 7%. The average over the past 50 years: 11%.
7. Just to keep the federal deficit to these levels, your taxes will go up. The Obama tax hike on “Cadillac” health-insurance plans will kick in starting in 2022, and the 2017 Trump tax cuts will expire in 2025.
8. Most working stiffs can say goodbye to any other tax cuts. Uncle Sam is explicitly relying on your taxes to go up thanks to “bracket creep,” where income-tax brackets rise only in line with inflation while your income — you hope — rises faster.
9. While tax rates go up for most people, they won’t for those earning the most. That’s because more and more of their income will be above the Social Security “cap,” saving them an effective 12.4% a year. The cap this year is $132,900.
10. Meanwhile, working stiffs will be taxed at twice the marginal rate of those who live on dividends. By 2049, says the CBO, labor income will be taxed at a marginal rate of 32%, compared to just 16% for capital income. Good to know, isn’t it?
It would be great to see some of this stuff come up in the presidential race, wouldn’t it?
Brett Arends is a MarketWatch columnist.
Greens are silent,
We’re going to have a lot more immigrants.
A lot.
They’re expecting a net 22.5 million more immigrants to come to the U.S. over the next 20 years. By 2049, they’re expecting immigration to account for a stunning 87% of annual population growth.
Environmental destruction does not matter to Greens as long as there are endless streams of Browns to replace Whites. That is the only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at given the environmental movements’ complete silence on the negative ecological effects of mass immigration. The same hypocrisy that exists throughout the entire diseased edifice.
Apparently Malth, you never got the message,
It is whites and whites alone who are responsible for climate change and environmental degredation,
The only way for whitey to ameliorate his guilt is to cough up copious amounts of swag and pay off everybody else. That’s what the Paris Accord was all about.
Brh
More utter tosh, SSL.
Why? Use your logic if you have any. She has plenty, as does Malthus. Or are you saying the immigrants don’t cause environmental havoc, that only Whites do? Explain that.
This is utter tosh:
“Environmental destruction does not matter to Greens as long as there are endless streams of Browns to replace Whites.”
Two obvious faulty statements:
1) The Greens care very much about environmental destruction. Any statement to the contrary needs to be supported by some shred of evidence, no matter how fragile, or it will be called out for what it is, utter tosh.
2) “An endless stream of Browns to replace Whites”. This is the trope chanted by your khaki-trousered wank-job friends at Charlottesville and is simply unsupported fake-news, Breitbart-level misinformation, which sponges like you, SSL and many others here suck up and incorporate into your deluded, twisted, nasty angry belief system.
And it’s utter tosh, as well.
I don’t disagree that increasing population has an effect on the environment.
But these people are simply MOVING from one place to another, so the impact is no greater on the overall environment as if they stayed in any one place.
Your logic is thus flawed Majella. It isn’t just as simple as people moving. If it were you wouldn’t allow it. For example, would you be supportive if five million White Southerners said “to hell with this” and migrated to the Amazon Rainforest because they thought they were simply going to have better economic circumstances and Brazil isn’t enforcing its border anyway? Would you see the thousands of acres of rainforest that would be destroyed to make room for us migrants as just simple collateral damage of people moving around? Would you say to yourself, wow well at least all them woods in the South aren’t getting cut down anymore? Yeah didn’t think so. You need to refocus and recenter yourself.
SSL:
More utter tosh. I particularly admire how you reach a conclusion for me and then invite me to “refocus & recentre” myself. That’s REALLY funny.
Also, I’d applaud it if 5 million Southerners (you and your extended family, I’m guessing) moved off to Brazil. You already have tolerance of the weather. However, I doubt the Amazon would be your destination, just as the immigrants trying to get into the US aren’t looking to settle in Yellowstone.
The Amazon destruction is already well established, clearing vast areas daily – firstly for the logs, then for grazing beef (for McDonalds et al), growing palm oil (for US dairy industry), pineapples, nuts, spices & coffee for the rest of the world.
This massive and continuing deforestation of rainforests (right around the tropical belt) is considered the 2nd largest driver of climate change (you know, that Chinese hoax).
Yes SSL is a much nastier gal than I thought. All in all what an infested swamp the comments section of CFN is.
Are you proud of it JHK? I hope not.
I’m surprised that an educated and thoughtful, decent man such as JHK attracts such a wide swath of nasty people who are so flippant about mass murder. But of course it were a bunch of Southern Baptists slaughtered I’m sure the tone would be different.
No actually 100% correct everywhere they mass migrations go trash and filth are left in the wake!
https://cis.org/Sussis/Trash-Border-Highlights-Environmental-Cost-Illegal-Immigration
See you think you actually have a clue and yet well you don’t.
“Trash” lying around isn’t ‘environmental degradation’. It’s just trash, and can be cleaned up. Heck, the way youdescribe it, San Diego and LA would have areas with as much ‘trash’ lying around.
And they do!
Los Angeles is now so trashed out that the rats are out of control and the plague has returned!
Are you cleaning up your spot, or contributing it by distributing bottled water to the indigent?
As I said, it’s just TRASH…it’s not toxic effluent being poured into a water table or tons of sulfur dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere.
THAT’S environmental degradation, and you & SSL can please admit that the trash that a few thousand people moving along leaves behind, does NOT qualify.
@majella
But it does!
Who is going out to the deserts to clean up the mess certainly not you!
What about our desert tortoise eating plastic and dying?
How could you not care about poor little bugs bunny hopping through the filth these people leave everywhere!
I’m constantly cleaning up after pigs at the beach, the parks and yes the desert when I am out there.
Leave footprints but take everything else with you.
It is standard ICE knowledge find the trash trails and find the corridors coyotes use to smuggle people and drugs in.
Most of the trash is plastic in the form of water bottles.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-immigration-usa-trash/migrant-trash-piles-up-at-remote-u-s-mexico-border-areas-idUSTRE80S0QB20120129
I live right next to some of the most used pathways until they built the big marvelous wall in San Diego!
Spent weeks cleaning up around Kitchen creek, Campo and Buckman springs some of the prettiest areas in the United States,
Worse they are stomping down trails and plants as well as disrupting entire eco systems.
The iconic Sierra Clubber David Brower split with that organization over the issue of population:
“Brower was one of the original supporters of a 1998 Sierra Club referendum in favor of reducing immigration to stop U.S. population growth. When this was defeated after a bitter fight, Brower told Outside magazine:
The leadership are fooling themselves. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, and overimmigration is a big part of it. We must address both. We can’t ignore either.
Yet in spite of Brower’s admonition, the Sierra Club continued to ignore U.S. population and immigration.
In May 2000, during his final year, in a dramatic gesture reflecting Brower’s disenchantment with the organization to which he had dedicated so much of his life, he resigned from the Sierra Club board. And he told the San Francisco Chronicle:
The world is burning and all I hear from them is the music of violins…Overpopulation is perhaps the biggest problem facing us and immigration is part of the problem. It has to be addressed.”
https://www.capsweb.org/blog/homage-iconic-conservationist-david-brower-omits-population
Unfortunately for the environment right now the primary goal of the Elite is the complete Browning of the West. This requires massive immigration and accelerated environmental destruction. Once the White middle and working classes are rendered non-issues then the Browns become expendable too and then the Elite will depopulate them and attempt a New World. The Georgia Guidestones provide the basic agenda.
Sheesh.. it’s a TOSH-FEST here today, SSL.
You make assertions without any basis in reality. Where’s your evidence that “the primary goal of the Elite is the complete Browning of the West.”
And DON’T use the Georgia Guidestones as ‘evidence’.
Sheesh.. it’s a TOSH-FEST here today, SSL.
This kind of tosh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs
https://petertosh.com/history/
A note from that notoriously conservative radio entity, NPR:AR-15-style rifles were around for more than 40 years before one was used in a mass killing, at an apartment in Crandon, Wis., in 2007. The shooter killed six people and then took his own life .https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/588861820/a-brief-history-of-the-ar-15
My recall may be faulty, but I think the Thompson submachine gun had a similar reputation in the Roaring Twenties.
Cheers
Possibly so. Now, how many mass killings were started by Tommy Guns? The St Valentine’s day Massacre
The reason we remember the St, Valentines Day Massacre is because it was a rare occurrence.
May 15, 1927, Bath, Michigan
School board member attacks local HS with revolver and dynamite, 45 dead,
In 1947, in Camden, NJ, WW2 vet goes berserk, with .30 cal M1 carbine kills 8.
In 1947, in Camden, NJ, WW2 vet goes berserk, with .30 cal M1 carbine kills 8. – BRH
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The killer’s name was Howard Unruh. It was 1949, and he killed 13 with a Luger pistol. It took place 4-5 miles from where I lived. I recall hearing it on the radio at the time. TVs were not in general use in those days.
I am surprised this does not happen more often. In America we have a culture of war and violence . I will give you an example . Marvel comic books. I read and collected them when I was a kid in the 1960s . They did not have that much violence in them. There was a story line build up to climatic violence. Marvel movies are just the opposite non stop violence for little or no reason . With a story that is more concentrated on Social Justice than anything else. If gas was 5.00 a gallon I bet you would see more of this.
Watch the show the boys for violence and strange stuff.
>>> But it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement, say a ban on military-type weapons
No. The stats are very clear on this. Handguns—not rifles (and certainly not the AR-15)—account for the vast overwhelming majority of gun violence. Handguns were even used in high-profile mass shootings, such as the Charleston church and Fort Lauderdale airport shootings.
The AR-15 is simply the Left’s boogieman, the embodiment of the “evil black assault gun” they falsely claim are used by actual militaries in war scenarios.
But black paint and militaristic furnishings are style—not substance, and we all know how the Left will choose the former over the latter every time. The AR-15 is significantly less powerful than a classic wood stock bolt action hunting rifle. The sort of rifle “Tommy” would be carrying walking side by side with Lassie the dog. In many states, the AR-15’s .223 rounds are considered too weak for large game, and are unlawful to use for hunting.
Ultimately, for the Left, the AR-15 is a symbol of American gun freedom. So of course it’s public enemy #1. And if they manage to even temporarily ban its sale or purchase, they would promptly redirect their attention to other weapons. My point is that there’s no bargain to be made here.
It’s worth pointing out that “Giffords” Gun Prohibition Lobby has even gone after muzzle-loading riffles. After muskets! Pretty hard to argue that there’s a spate of musket mass shootings that need our attention. Doesn’t matter. Gun grabbers won’t stop at the AR-15; there’s no bargain to be had here. And so we can’t let them target any lawful firearm. Letting the Left have their AR-15 ban would be like Europe’s capitulation to Muslims on freedom of speech, making it unlawful to upset Muslims with caricatures of Muhammad.
Even though I’m not a big fan of ARs in civilian hands, you’re absolutely right on not giving an inch on the 2nd amendment, because that will only give them more fuel and confidence to keep coming and coming until they achieve their dream of banning all guns.
It’s called the philosophy of gradualism, jack….just like abortion was only legal in the first trimester. THAT didn’t quite work out that way, did it?
And remember, once they put the Constitution on the block, ALL the amendments are subject to change, not just the 2nd.
Indeed:
https://www.alternet.org/2017/06/billionaire-backed-movement-dangerously-close-calling-constitutional-convention/
The 2nd amendment doesn’t grant citizens the right to keep and bear arms, it just points out that we innately have that right and the government shall not infringe it.
Exactly. The Bill of Rights are negative freedoms. Freedom from, not freedom to. Dems get this mixed up all the time.
About 350 companies in the USA currently who manufacture AR 15 style rifles or make components for them. Its a popular weapon, about 20 million of them floating around the country now. (That’s 20 million out of 300 million firearms total)
We are well armed, to say the least.
Brh
since 1947 upwards of a quarter billion Kalashnikov rifles have been mfg, in more than 2 dozen countries. Its the Kalahnikov that is wiping out the large land animals in Africa, and arms up the myriad guerilla movements thru out the world.
The Deep State lobbying operates on a defensive style. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. The inertia from this style prevents constructive change.
The words of the El Paso mass murderer himself, posted just hours before went to that Walmart. This is just the section where he matter of factly discusses the guns he’ll be slaughtering fellow humans with:
“Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) – I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian
version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about
100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a
heat-resistant glove to get around this.
8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62×39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol
hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost o
f penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not
nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is
definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and
may still be with it.
Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast a
s the
AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to frag
ment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing
lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I
wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is
probably the best gun for military applications but
this isn’t a military application.
This will be a test of which is more lethal, either
it’s fragmentation or tumbling.
I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this
attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this
before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no
attack and no manifesto….”
So Exscotticus you say the AR15 is the Left’s boogieman? I’d say it has been the boogieman of every human it has been used as a murder weapon on. Or has irreversibly made into a paraplegic, or quadriplegic.
There will be no gun grab in the US, so don’t worry. I’ve been hearing a gun grab is just around the corner since 1993. It’s less likely to happen now than it was even then. As JHK says there are just too many. It’s not feasible.
Oh, I can still find videos of Donald Trump saying in the 90s and last decade that he was for the assault weapons ban. Of course he was also pro choice and pro gay too. So who knows? Maybe he’ll flip again and go for a “gun grab”.
Nah. Ain’t happen’.
>>> So Exscotticus you say the AR15 is the Left’s boogieman? I’d say it has been the boogieman of every human it has been used as a murder weapon on.
Well according to your rhetoric, then, everything is the boogieman. Rocks, bricks, fists, pillows—anything that can kill. So we should ban it all?
Again you want to focus on style over substance. The substance is the stats. The AR-15 is so infrequently used in homicides that the FBI doesn’t even break it out into a separate category. Rifles in general account for 2%. The AR-15 is a fraction of 1%. And that’s counting suicides. The figures drop to half if we discount suicides.
As we’ve seen in London, take away the guns and knife attacks go up. Knives are even used in mass murders around the world. The idea that guns are special or unique in this regard is nonsense. Bladed weapons have even been used to commit genocide.
It’s significantly easier to outrun a knife than a bullet.
Tell that to O.J.’s dead wife. You remember – the one somebody killed then tried to make him look guilty.
Sorry, Majella, but you’re forgetting the human element.
Why on earth didn’t these people outrun the knives?
How on earth did these people manage to outrun the bullets?
The guy in that latter example, btw, who yelled, “I don’t like white people in my hood!” while he opened fire, was NOT charged with a hate crime. I guess hate crimes only apply to white supremacists.
Ex:
In the first instance, I can only surmise that these Uighur extremists used some level fo stealth, rather than running at people brandishing machetes & screaming blue murder.
Besides that, we don’t know how many DID get away by running like the clappers, do we?
In the 2nd instance, the guy was clearly a fool and again, I’d surmise he wasn’t trying very hard to hit anyone. I see he gave himself up 4 days later (maybe once the meth had run dry?).
As to how he was charged, I couldn’t see any reference in the article as to whether it was a ‘hate crime’ or not. However, being held in custody on account of he can’t afford the $480,000 bond sounds like the cops & court are taking the idiot seriously.
What else do you want? All you ‘White Tribers’ on here are CONSTANTLY searching for any meager piece of any story you can spin into yet another example of how you’re all being picked on and put upon by those nasty Browns and the ‘race-traitors’ (like me, I assume) who call you all out as bullshit artists.
>>> Besides that, we don’t know how many DID get away by running like the clappers, do we?
No we don’t. But THEY DIDN’T. So much for your theory about outrunning knives.
>>> In the 2nd instance… I’d surmise he wasn’t trying very hard to hit anyone.
Speaking from experience? Are you telling us that you shoot people regularly in your line of work and it’s a doddle?
Even professional soldiers can empty entire magazines and not hit a thing. And you? I bet you’ve never even held a firearm.
>>> As to how he was charged, I couldn’t see any reference in the article as to whether it was a ‘hate crime’ or not.
I think the part where he yelled “I don’t like white people in my hood!” while committing a felony was the giveaway. But please continue to argue that if this had been a white guy yelling about blacks while shooting at them, the Left would not have even mentioned racism at all.
Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives. Of course there’s a logical reason for this that is totally lost on you Excotticus.
It is shameful that you are old enough to be my father, but I feel like you have the reasoning mentality of a middle schooler at best.
>>> Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives.
2016 Ohio restaurant machete attack
2016 Ohio State University attack
2017 Portland train attack
Franklin Regional High School stabbing
Gage Park murders
Lone Star College stabbing
Silver City Galleria attack
Spring High School stabbing
St. Cloud mall stabbing
University of California, Merced stabbing attack
Perhaps if the Left tried to spin political gold from all these mass stabbings the way they do for guns, you would have remembered them.
>>> Yet all these mass murderers in the US don’t choose knives.
2016 Ohio restaurant machete attack
2016 Ohio State University attack
2017 Portland train attack
Franklin Regional High School stabbing
Gage Park murders
Lone Star College stabbing
Silver City Galleria attack
Spring High School stabbing
St. Cloud mall stabbing
University of California, Merced stabbing attack
Perhaps if the Left tried to spin political gold from all these mass stabbings the way they do for guns, you would have remembered them.
muzzle-loading riffles. – exscot
===========
Sounds like a salty snack mothers pack in their kids lunch box (if mothers still pack their kids’ lunches).
Don’t bash muskets someone trained properly can get off three shots a minute.
Being in a Walmart is a soul killing experience all by itself.
And then someone starts shooting…
Nome sayin’?
Nome sayin”?
Maybe a symptom of the times the shooter was trying to expose in his mind.
Apparently, from the moment you step inside the store, everything you say, every move you make, is recorded.
His name was Timmy, not Tommy…just sayin
A plague of madness is here, but it is geometric, discontinuous, and non-linear …
I’m noticing here in Seattle … the attitudes people hold towards each other, the pervasive insider-outsider duality … as things get worse, we will have more and more cliques … and then? – then, the civil war that hits the USA will make the Yugoslav Civil War (91-98) look like a tea party.
Yes … a plague of madness has arrived.
https://soundcloud.com/daniel-sullivan-505714723/little-saigon-report-93-empires-and-madness
Why the mass shootings ?
This question was answered long time ago.All the mass shooters took some kind of psychotropic drugs.Those drugs appear to work for a while,patient is serene & pacified,but the pressure slowly builds up inside.Then the pressure cooker explodes.
But since Big Pharma is much bigger and richer than gun manufacturers it is them damn vile guns that kill people.
P.S.
Spoons make people fat.And ropes cause suicides by hanging.
And God didn’t make those Little Green apples
The divisions in our society are being intentionally caused. We have political institutions that make their living splitting us apart. They derive their power base by trying to destroy what is left of our cohesiveness. The encourage the divisive introduction of foreign peoples to make our society more multi-cultural. Multi-cultural means divisiveness, we do not share a common culture anymore. The Progressives openly state that they want the nature of America to change. We have power sports figures demeaning our culture as represented by the national anthem. Hollywood, in its fantasy world, condemns just about everything American.
Just try to jot down what the USA stands for now. It is not much. I see constant criticism in the blog of the US. Everything we do seems to be wrong.
It is true, most of our existence today would have been called evil two generations ago. In the “Best Years of our Lives”, Homer the sailor, gets into a fight with a gentleman for espousing Communistic thoughts. Now we have Bernie Sanders defending the same baloney in a debate on national TV, with most of the rest of the stage signing right up. Acceptance of violence is everywhere, games, movies, TV. Used to be femininity was a counterbalance to male tendency toward violence. Those days are gone, women have forgotten this role in society in their desire for power. The attitude about guns is so indicative of the changes. Guns were a part of our culture, hunting, target shooting and household protection. Today, thanks to the NRA, they are just another expression of political power. Those aforementioned males collect them now. I have more guns than you.
My number one is social media. Social connections maintain neighborhoods. The main connections were between mothers and children as dads were off to work. No longer. Social media is just another method for people to disconnect from one another. The PC nerd ideal, so prevalent in the US today is for everyone to operate out of their home with no interaction. You know, it is working too.
Man is inherently an animal. We identify animal tendencies as evil. High tech is a huge aggravation of our tendency. It just magnifies evil whether it is cyber meddling in elections, splitting neighborhoods, or producing better and better ways of killing each other.
We are following a natural degradation of humanity, yes natural. Good overcomes evil only when people care. The caring side of the Average American is being degraded in a myriad of ways. Civility, tolerance, empathy, common causes are all victims of the divisive nature of this country.
Who is to blame? Again, I blame the Progressive drift as their mechanism is division. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and destroys humanity. The Deep State is about to pull this one off.
Watching the political reaction to the two three shootings. What a bunch of garbage. No one knows what to do and they are floundering in their “we will pray for them” baloney.
Until our society becomes a kinder place to be, the evil nature is just going to increase in intensity. Better hold on, it is going to be a rough ride.
>>> Today, thanks to the NRA, they are just another expression of political power. Those aforementioned males collect them now. I have more guns than you.
Totally unfair. To a simple-minded liberal, all guns are equal and all guns are bad. But firearms are highly specialized, and this is why gun-owners tend to have more than one.
Let’s start with a powerful firearm that’s considered the baseline for lawful gun ownership: the shotgun. Heck, shotguns are even “may issue” lawful in the UK. Some are purely defensive, while others are better for skeet/trap. Some recycle faster but are less reliable. Some are more portable but have fewer features. Always trade-offs, which is why gun owners tend to own more than one.
I’d also point out that criminals aren’t likely to be NRA members. You can’t steal the membership; it doesn’t come with your welfare packge; you actually have to pay your dues.
If there were any around to ask the World war 1 Germans about shotguns they tried to get them outlawed.
Yea the same people popping off mustard gas or chlorine gas.
They also used incendiary devices like the two-pound thermite and magnesium Elektron against Spain near the end of the war.
The cure is to make the male initiation available to young men. Many old cultures understood that unless you subject a young man to a rite of passage in nature where his ego could feel powerless in that awe inspiring setter he would learn the right use of power and that is for the good of all.
“…it will require the demise of the things that have worked so hard to destroy all that, namely, the tyranny of the giants, the town-killing Walmarts, the suffocating monster of government, the media manipulators of reality, the too-big-to-fail banks. ”
Don’t omit the demise of a significant portion of the population. Trying to support the overshoot is the cause of the “tyranny of the giants”, they are, as Tainter points out, complex solutions to a problem.
Young men with guns are but a shadow what is coming. Beware of the men with test tubes of CAS-9.
“Wer spricht von Siegen? Überstehen ist alles” – “Who speaks of victory? Endurance is everything” — Rainer Maria Rilke
Until our society becomes a kinder place to be, the evil nature is just going to increase in intensity. Better hold on, Until is focus instead of humanism, atheism and materialism we won’t become that kinder society. We cringe when hear the term “allahu akbar, by our rallying cry might as well be Non Sunr Dii
That’s Non SUNT Dii
Hey Epicur: See the above post: The 2018 birthrate was flat. Since the day of a Caucasian minority is coming to an end, statistically speaking, All will be well soon. Hmmmmmmmmm………I wonder who “they’ll” blame for America’s ills when the whites are no longing a majority? Oh right. Their legacy. Nice to know that there’s always a new set of “victims” ready to step up and be counted.
In SA, whites are down to 8% of the population; they are still being blamed for the disaster the country has become.
Does that answer your question?
Whiteness goes a long way.
Don’t know if I should feel flattered.
At this point it is imperative that everyone values our experiment in self governance understand HOW we arrived at having a Bill of Rights in our Constitution. COMPROMISE
Those of us who understand the necessity of the rights afforded to us by our Second Amedment know that this cannot be left to be decided by the advertising media or the populace our host so accurately describes.
The advocates of the Second Amendment must develop a method of compromise that will allow the population to remain a bulwark against tyranny. The right to bear arms in defense of our nation against domestic tyranny must not be abridged. Defense of the nation is not a hobby, a 100 round magazine at a shooting range is. Anyone who is under the impression that a 100 round magazine will serve them in confrontation with an armoured personnel carrier and the inhabitants within firing armour piercing rounds from the gun ports is a fool.
Allowing our children to be no more than an easy mark in some marketing scheme is a world class case of dumbfuckery. Giving your child another box of sugary cereal in lieu of a path to personal responsibility is the path that is now being filled with murdered citizens and guests. Turn of the TV take away the phone hand the little bastards a broom a rake or a shovel and learn to say the most important word in a parent’s aresenal. NO!!!!!
I contend that the Constitutional compromise was between fundamental ways of seeing the world, those being:
1. A more fatalist view that allows limits to our ability to shape the world, and
2. an activist view that believes we can shape the world to conform to our wishes.
The activists have won and the only struggle now is the proper shape – i.e. what do we wish the world to be? With the majority in their camp they see no problem in sweeping the Constitution aside.
I am strongly in the first camp, but, unlike some young men with guns, I see no need to fight against the second camp. Nature bats last, and Nature swings a big bat.
Well now, over 50 whites are slaughtered in Las Vegas. A synagogue massacre happens. School children are murdered in CT and they are mostly white. In Chicago there is a continuous party of murder and mayhem among blacks. But now, we have an attack on Hispanics. Will there be any reaction differences? Perhaps so with 2020 coming fast.
The other usual slaughters will go on unabated. Drugs. Booze. Doctors and hospitals. Automobiles. Etc. oh, and abortion.
Clearly, it is guns that make the difference for some reason. I guess they are just more romantic in a sense.
you know people who had relatives killed in Connecticut.
yet others say it never happened.
Oh, it happened Malthus.
People who deny it apparently have some kind of twisted agenda.
Brh
There are those who believe we live in an illusion. No more than a part of a matrix style reality. Then there are those who believe that everything that occurs is by some cosmic plan. I believe I will go get a beer.
A fine essay today, JHK. Thank you.
Atomized little consumer units is what they wanted and atomized consumer units is exactly what they got. No loyalty or solidarity to anyone or anywhere. Only brand loyalty matters. Is it any wonder that those at the edges of the normal distribution have taken the last step to insanity and acted out their angst? That’s what it is to be free in America.
“When you need the police in seconds, they are only minutes away.”
How is it, this time, the officers were actually only SECONDS away?
A profound essay and many profound comments. I liked this one by Jack Straw.
“What kind of hope can one have when we see no restraint on behavior anywhere anymore? Every fringe activity is now celebrated and accepted as normal behavior, when it should be pushed back to the fringe by a a society that understands that norms of behavior are there to maintain balance.”
Restraint? Norms? Are we to believe that the American ideals of individual freedom and personal liberty are subject to restraint? That my right to believe and behave as I choose is subject to societal norms? That my right to do as I please should be curbed by the rights of others?
It’s tempting to think that if we could just put the freaks back in the closet … or wherever, that society could begin to heal. And maybe there’s some truth to that. But I suspect that once we pushed fringe activity back to the fringes, we’d begin targeting whoever is next in the hierarchy of undesirables. Eventually I become a target.
What are norms made out of anyway? A shared culture, I guess. Or majority rule (mob rule), perhaps. If we’ve abandoned the norms, how do we go about re-establishing them when the current US population is in disagreement about almost everything. Just think about this list and how divergent our beliefs are about right and wrong: pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, same-sex marriage, divorce, burkas, circumcision, alcohol consumption, hunting for sport, cheating on taxes, cheating on homework. I could go on…
There’s stuff in the quote above that resonates, but I worry that we’ve blown through the cultural barriers of what is acceptable and may have neither the knowledge nor the tools nor the social environment to rebuild them.
Pride Month needs to be celebrated the entire summer, not just June.
Oh what the hell, just make every month ‘Pride Month’.
Why not?
Brh
“There’s stuff in the quote above that resonates, but I worry that we’ve blown through the cultural barriers of what is acceptable and may have neither the knowledge nor the tools nor the social environment to rebuild them.”
For me, and, I think, JHK there is no question that we have blown (are blowing?) through the current barriers, but I believe that is an artifact of our present situation, not a permanent loss of what gave birth to the barriers in the first place. We certainly cannot “rebuild” anything until we hit bottom (IMO), but the bottom will come. When the rebuilding comes it cannot be an image of what has gone before, but an adaption to the circumstances of that time.
I think that if the USA were isolated we could rescue most of our cultural norms in a century or so, but we are not. We abandoned isolation long ago, by 1846, at the latest, and will share a fate with an overcrowded world.
I ramble, but my point is that the “barriers” are an emergent phenomenon of human nature – they emerge out of chaos. Humans cannot live without society and society is bound to the strange attractors of human nature. We will not “rebuild” the exact configuration, but humans will continue to organize society around the same “strange attractors” and life will go on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor
Mass execution-style shootings in the USA and the theory of world projects
In the United States yesterday, two crazies in two different states (Texas and Ohio) shot a lot of people, and on Friday another crazy shot many people in California.
And on this sad day, I can’t help but remember how often I am reproached for being nutcase in my attitude toward Hillary Clinton and the theory of world projects, and it is those people who, for explaining such events, carry such nonsense that is shame to read.
In particular, today in this nonsense an honorable place is occupied by the suddenly increased aggressiveness of the initially aggressive Americans or the total madness that suddenly seized them because of the “suddenly” increased availability of firearms.
Meanwhile, the theory of world projects explains these events very simply and logically: someone from the Black World Project learned to manipulate people, apparently transmitting something like a 25th frame, after watching which people with a well-defined psycho-type who might have received the appropriate drugs or neuro-linguistic programming, take up arms and go settle accounts with human society.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67591084_10219836564409765_2177203799486103552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQk2CIJix4PGz6d3lLfYrMSvgnVtqhP6gYeGcKyZchGwn2i6M_8rBn8fyokJXo_AxK8&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=318c53b381a3832b057bbc3a4d903bbc&oe=5DD2C980
Actually such technologies are known long ago, since the time of Hasan-Ibn-Sabbah, as well as their use for political purposes after appropriate drugs or neuro-linguistic programming, which is the hallmark of the Black World Project from the time of the “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux and the Order of the Templars, whose charter “saint” Bernard wrote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah
And the Templars during the Crusades communicated with the disciples of the aforementioned Hasan-Ibn-Sabbah a lot, and this communication is well documented by all kinds of frictions of the Crusaders with Muslims after incidents provoked by the use of such technologies in the 12th century(!).
Moreover, according to one of the theories, the Crusades were originally such frictions, provoked by the application of these methods.
Well, in this case, I think the theory of world projects decisively proved not only its explanatory, but also predictive power – it’s enough to recall that all these incidents are invariably used as an excuse to cancel the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution guaranteeing the Americans the right to create militia for armed resistance to politicians denying the election results.
Assuming that one of the representatives of the Black World Project snuck into one of those forums that I’ve been writing about for a month in connection with the night after the fire on Losharik, when a state of emergency was quite officially declared in the United States and Vice President Pence was ordered to urgently return to Washington.
Which, in fact, made Trump’s supporters worry for half an hour for the life of their beloved leader and begin to mobilize a “properly organized militia” in full accordance with the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
But the most interesting thing is that the second mass execution of the day took place live on TV and was obviously side effect of the first, taking the media by surprise and allowing various representatives of the White House in their respective interviews to show that their line of reasoning coincides with mine and rather clearly hint at the possibility of turning this post into an official position of the White House in the event that the offensive of the Black World Project does not stop, the offensive which started about a week ago and signifies returning of the course to Trump’s overthrow by force, and not by elections.
‘You never want a serious crisis to go to waste’
In the US every mass shootings causes further relaxation and even abolishment of gun regulations.Call it “the law of unintended consequences”.
Constitutional carry:
As of June 26, 2019, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Oklahoma (effective November 1, 2019), South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming (residents only) do not require a permit to carry a loaded concealed firearm for any person of age who is not prohibited from owning a firearm.
Permitless carry in Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming is applicable to residents only; nonresidents must have a permit to carry a concealed handgun in these states. All aforementioned jurisdictions do not require a permit to openly carry either except for North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
As simple as that,folks.If you are a regular guy-2nd Amendment is your gun permit.Or,the citizens of constitutional carry states now have the same “rights” as career criminals 🙂
To this I would add another phenomena. Every time there’s a mass shooting, Dems politicize it and start talking about a ban. This immediately results in millions ordering more firearms—the exact opposite of what Dems want.
Ask any gun store owner; business booms when there’s a mass shooting.
I guess that professional bleeding hearts never heard about the root cause analysis or the ultimate vs proximate cause.
Want to prevent school shootings-restrain the psychiatric pill pushers.
Well,Mr.Excotticus,as the bumper stickers in normal states wisely tell us-
FIGHT CRIME-SHOOT BACK !
Call it the law of unintended consequences. Who can forget Prohibition? Well-intentioned, perhaps. But a total failure in every regard. Not only did it not stop the manufacture, distribution, sale, or consumption of alcohol, but it contributed to the rise of powerful gangsters and crime in general. Many of the crazy gun laws we have were enacted during this time.
State-wide Prohibitions existed well before XVIII Amendment and remained long after XVIII Amendment was repealed.Even now we may call Louisiana a “wet state” and Utah a “dry state”.
No dyed-in-the-wool gun nut would approve the idea of every NYC or LA dweller carrying silenced handgun.
On the other hand silencers are nowadays legal in 40 states.Montana went so far as to nullify all federal firearm regulations using 10th Amendment as a tool.
DIVERSITY WORKS !
>>> .Even now we may call Louisiana a “wet state” and Utah a “dry state”.
No “dry” state can stop you from purchasing alcohol across the state line, driving it back into your state, and drinking it. To argue that Prohibition was insignificant because states had their own laws before and after just doesn’t fit the facts.
>>> No dyed-in-the-wool gun nut would approve the idea of every NYC or LA dweller carrying silenced handgun.
We’d only approve the LAWFUL ones. And there’s no such thing as a “silenced” handgun. More Lefty/MSM/Hollywood nonsense. A suppressor would add a lot of weight and bulk and be difficult to conceal. Carry that on a hot summer day? I don’t think so.
There are many ways to characterize the consequences of too many redundant humans. Too many people, too few niches.
I see the gun nuts are out in full force, even here.
No sympathy from me. You guys can slaughter each other for all I care. Remember, the long descent will eliminate most emergency rooms and hospitals, especially in the open spaces that you are so fond of, so, you’re on your own. Just like the wild west. One bullet and you’re gone.
All of those “evil libruls” who, you know, staff all of the hospitals and dutifully go in and save all of the “masculine fighting gun toting men” of America from so many gunshots, they’re not going to do it forever.
All is fair. I’m not saying you should side with me, I’m just saying you guys can go your own way. If your idea of a society is everybody shooting each other, you are free to have that society. Let us have ours.
You can have California. Plant your flag in a steaming, heaping pile of human feces that litter the streets of LA and SF. And you’ll be needin your A1 hospitals to treat rampant hepatitism ebola and plague in your utopian sanctuary cities. Good luck!
Brh
You might want to actually look at most of the shootings and look at who they vote for and claim to be!
Most are democrat voters or supporters.
I’m interested Jim in your thoughts and ideas how to perk up economically your Greenwich, NY town? It seems in the past there was one or two main business anchors and or a source material like clay, slate, stone or wood to build a community around. I’ve been a proponent of farmers markets since my youth along with flea markets. These alone can benefit a downtrodden town but not make it prosperous but some anchor that employs many. I oppose people traveling long distances for work for a multiple of reasons like energy consumption and time. Mass transit can be faster and I am a fan of light rail everywhere to displace a car centric nation. We need to see golf carts and bicycles instead of SUV’s. I voluntarily gave vehicle ownership up 21 years ago when I moved to Las Vegas after a 20yr privatization of a Ohio state job. I mover back to N.E. Ohio and now retired to N.E Florida and have only had bicycles, borrowed vehicles public transit and friends to get around. I started out after high school working for G E in Cleveland’s GE Small Appliance repair shop. yes people did bring or mail in items for repair like toasters, Irons a such small appliances. I was in the office recruited from Sunbeam as their bench repairman and got the job because I could type (The managers daughter worked with my girlfriend at Ohio Bell). I ordered many parts from the GE corridor from cities like Utica. I handled correspondence from the mostly WWII era who received a toaster as a wedding gift and for 20 yrs served them faithfully until it wore out. We gladly repaired it not trashed it. I’m about your age Jim a year younger and of about the same mind set. I would like to see changes in transportation and more local and area supply chains. I would also like to see or banking system work for the people. Be nice to see people live comfortably but frugally and be able to save not go into debt.
Somewhat apropos, anyone ever do one of those Hudson riverboat tours? The overnight kind where you actually have a cabin?
If I could do one thing to help stop this madness it would be to require the whole damn country to regularly attend a twelve step program and follow its instructions. There’s nothing like a good dose of self awareness and humility to relieve a man of his delusions. Sobriety and maturity are humbling journeys and not for sissies. Thus, most will not undertake the challenge. For that reason I will hold on to my guns and buy even more ammunition for the war will come, whether I like it or not. I will be waiting on my porch, in my rocking chair, smoking my tobacco pipe.
One man against an organized Leftist posse or a gang of colored marauders. Your “get off my lawn” nationalism is a comittment to defeat. This isn’t how we took this Land from the Indians – nor from the British and French.
No man stands alone. Humility.
Janos, I am well aware that I will actually have to take the battle to them. My statement was more about not being afraid of their bullshit. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with guerilla warfare. But then neither did the Colonists. And yet ultimately they prevailed when the circumstances demanded it. It took decades of the Crown’s abuse and excesses before that critical threshold was reached where they organized themselves and heroes arose spontaneously. Thus will it be with the Silent majority, many of whom own such assault weapons which are being misused today but which will prove useful in the war which is coming. Then only the treasonous, the decadent, the perverse, the debauched and the guilty will perish, not the innocent (illegal or not).
Bravo for your clarity. Copperhead? Me too.
JHK – spot on today. Quite the descriptive truth-bomb in describing the carved-out insides of our current collective “culture”.
For what it’s worth, your second paragraph could be read nearly verbatim tonight by the President in a national television address on this situation, to rave review (were he only so articulate, and, well, not universally seen as socially inept to most voters left and right). Perhaps only changing the repeated word “no” to “less”, to refrain from alienating those who would take it as an insult to be lumped in with the rest of the masses in these problems.
Great post.
Ha…GGG makes my point eloquently just now as I submitted my comment…he just referred to the victims in “Toledo”. Clearly he would murder your writing in ways we can only imagine…best to keep it on the page, I suppose.
“for their pitiful daily needs, their Hot Pockets, their disposable diapers, their roach spray.”
Our Host has provided a metaphor for the tawdry level (and our contempt) of the living standards of the great unwashed.
It reminds me of a song that further amplifies this theme;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P37xPiRz1sg
If you have not yet heard Keene sing this, you are in for a treat.
Very profound and heartfelt, JHK. I am moved.
CNN was on in the diner I had lunch at, I couldn’t help but watch. They have it already figured out. Who’ to blame? 1) President Trump. 2) The NRA. 3) White supremacists.
There it is.
Brh
The word REPLACEMENT, banned,
https://www.takimag.com/article/none-dare-call-it-replacement/
I stopped paying attention to anything CNN may say a long time ago…
I watch more CNN than anything else.
One must know what the enemy is up to.
Here’s a possible reason: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/markmeckler/2018/02/27-deadliest-mass-shooters-26-one-thing-common/?fbclid=IwAR06beyeWUGeVZjsyFMjekddngiiPhmBFODAR_n-o6nNV0ZLFGdnemzxrIc
As a teen back in the 80’s, it took considerable effort to obtain magazines that featured photos of pretty, smiling, topless women; now, any young child has unlimited access to the most hardcore and depraved porn one click away. Arcades offered rather simple videogames for a quarter, pinball and air hockey, and you’d meet your friends there. It wasn’t the solipsistic, obsessive addiction to violence that we see now, where not just teens, but grown men, after working all day in front of a screen go home and spend countless hours alone in dark rooms immersed in virtual reality mass murder. It seems ages ago that one didn’t carry a powerful computer in his pocket at all times, to constantly look at the screen and curate a digital doppelganger living a life much more meaningful than the real thing. One spent more time outside, interacting with others and with Nature, family and friends meant something more than “likes”. Heck, “street cred” meant something, at least in my punk rock circle, can you take one for the team? Are you real, or a phony? Can you navigate the real world as a man without going crying to your mommy, a teacher or the police? Those things were important. They have been replaced with instagramming badass $200 “urban” sneakers and being offended if anyone anywhere says anything that makes you feel “unsafe”. Each mass shooting in my beloved USA is followed by talking heads wondering “where do all these monsters come from?” They come from within. This Brave New World we have accepted incubates them, and they hatch periodically in bloodbaths that leave us numbed. There’s only one word to describe our world: meaningless. We are consumers tethered to devices that follow us, entertain us, and sell us more devices. Amid environmental and social collapse caused in large part by technology, the only answer our thinking classes come up with is more technology, robots, artificial intelligence, virtual reality. I pity the young, starting with my own children. They have grown up in the panopticon, sold all the lies of a perverse society, starting with the biggest lie of all: that technology has made our lives better, when it is obvious that it has made it considerably worse. As Groucho Marx memorably said, “are you gonna believe me, or your own eyes?” And most people’s eyes cannot see the real world anymore for what it is, a dystopia of consumerism, isolation and irrelevance. You are nothing, you mean nothing, go back to your screen, nothing you do or say has the least importance. Bloody outbursts dot this terminal ennui, and the system starts beating the drum again: gun control, gun control. Sure, by all means, but look at the facts: gun-controlled Chicago has the highest rate of gun violence; mass murder doesn’t require guns, as our Muslim brothers eloquently prove every time they pummel dozens to death with stolen trucks or blow them up w homemade bombs; London is seeing an explosion of jihadi violence based around knife and acid attacks; gun bans never affect criminals, who have networks to obtain what they want, unlike law abiding citizens; most people in Switzerland and Israel have to train with the army every year, and keep assault weapons at home, yet these episodes don’t happen; our Constitution guarantees the right to be armed, including militia-type weapons; 60 years ago, about the same percentage of Americans were armed, yet mass shootings were rare as strong values and meaningful lives prevailed. Nope, it’s not the guns. It’s the meaninglessness. It’s the disappearance of social and moral rules and common decency, the Balkanization of America into class, race and gender Bantustans without any uniting common culture. Above all, it’s the technology. The right move would be to severely curb it, ban the iphone, enforce nationwide tech-free days, give young people the experience of a day working hard in fields and workshops and away from the fucking evil screens.
I agree with you completely. Brave New World offered us all the cheap thrills we wanted and those, like a child with a new toy, were quickly sated. What was left? Ratchet up the thrills! More pixels! Life-size dolls that never say no or expect a man to grow up (and of course, they never grow old), and more and more distance from reality. When was the last time you saw a teenager mowing a lawn? Or maybe a better question would be — when was the last time you saw people in their front yards at all?
Terminal technology. It will be the death of us when the energy runs out.
Some thoughts on the turmoil in Hong Kong. I’m not saying this is true, I’m just thinking out loud.
What if there are elements in the Chinese government who think Hong Kong is setting the wrong example of how Chinese people can live – as in, too much freedom and independence. Hong Kong could inspire dissent throughout China. So how do you justify an Army crackdown?
Pay some criminal thugs to toss molotov cocktails, break windows, create rioting, destruction, and mayhem. That justifies a crackdown. It has begun. We will see how this plays out. But I wouldn’t be investing money in the Hang Seng right now.
Yeah, apparently a division of the PLA is massed at the border, ready to move in and crush all opposition. It could be bloody.
Brh
What you’re speculating here has become pretty much standard procedure now the world over, so I’m prone to think that you’re probably right.
>>> Hong Kong could inspire dissent throughout China.
Not likely. More likely is that mainland Chinese think HK is spoiled and needs to be reined in. I don’t think they’ll send in the tanks. But they’ll go after leaders/organizers with a vengeance.
It’s hard for the West to understand, but China values order much more than we do.
“The nail that sticks up, will get hammered down.”
At least so the fortune cookie claimed.
Cloudflare has had enough, cutting off 8chan
Cloudflare CEO says site may return, but it’ll be someone else’s problem.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/cloudflare-has-had-enough-cutting-off-8chan/
“In the wake of Saturday’s mass shooting in El Paso, in which 20 people lost their lives, it was discovered that the shooter had posted a racist manifesto on the imageboard site 8chan. That was the third time this year alone that a mass shooting has involved the notorious site, and network operator Cloudflare decided that was finally enough. As of midnight on the US West Coast, Cloudflare will cut off 8chan.
“This isn’t the first time that the popular service provider has severed its ties to one of its customers over offensive content. In 2017, the company dropped the white supremacist website the Daily Stormer. The Daily Stormer was able to get back online after a brief outage by switching to another service.
“Matthew Prince, the company’s co-founder and CEO, has always spoken with apprehension about whether to stop providing network services to specific websites. He called his own company’s decision regarding the Daily Stormer ‘arbitrary’ and ‘dangerous,’ and intended that this would be the last action of the sort Cloudflare would take. Earlier on Sunday, CNN reported that the company had no intention of acting against 8chan.
“Cloudflare is not a website hosting provider. The company operates a global network that improves performance of websites and protects them from DDoS attacks and other security threats.
“But the El Paso mass shooting comes in the wake of two similar manifestos posted to 8chan prior to similar events in California and New Zealand, all apparently prompted by racism. Prince cited both of those events in announcing that he’s changed his mind. ‘The rationale is simple,’ he wrote. ‘They have proven themselves to be lawless, and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths.’ He went on to state that the company’s guiding principle on this issue will be to disassociate itself from websites that ‘directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design.'”
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Update: 8chan did indeed go to a new content delivery/denial-of-service protection provider. However, they have been booted off that one as well. As of now, 8chan and Daily Stormer are both offline.
The chuds can save the effort of hollering that ‘tolerant liberals are being intolerant’. Tolerance has a prerequisite, which is lawfulness. Both these sites are channels for affirmative hatred and incitement of violence, and 8chan in particular has been a vehicle for people like the Christchurch shooter, and now the El Paso murderer, to promote themselves to each other and the world. This kind of propaganda of the deed fails the Brandenburg test and can be rightfully shut down. Enough is enough.
Oh Elrond, if you were an evil globalist who wanted to justify an Orwellian state, how would go about it. Problem, reaction, solution.
“We must eliminate free speech to eliminate hate; then there won’t be any more crazy mass shooters.” They know just how to play you and the rest of the unawoken.
If you only knew where most of those shooters really come from….
hmuller – are you claiming to we ‘WOKE’?
*be*
Lately some people have appropriated the term “woke” when they are anything but.
I use the term for those who don’t automatically believe everything the MSM and Powers That Be shove down our throats. There’s a whole lot of bullshit out there. I say don’t swallow it, question everything.
>>> This kind of propaganda of the deed fails the Brandenburg test
Link to where Trump failed this test. Show us the direct quotes.
https://giphy.com/gifs/100-G77aaxTSkN9ni
Exscotticus, you are a perplexing one. Re-reading my post, one searches in vain for Donald Trump’s name or any reference to his administration. I was expressing support for an action taken by Cloudflare, the Internet service provider, not by the White House.
Let’s see if I can figure out where you’re coming from. The Brandenburg test which I linked to was established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1969. It establishes when it is justifiable to override First Amendment protections of free speech. The standard is (quoting Wikipedia): speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. (My emphasis.)
I noticed that you wagged your finger at GreenAlba about imminent lawless action up above (again my emphasis.) According to the time stamps, your finger-wagging took place fifteen minutes before I pressed Submit. So you were already aware of Brandenburg before I posted, maybe just not by name.
Then over an hour later, you jump down my throat. It’s clear you didn’t understand what I was saying, because you made it about Trump, seemingly irrelevantly. But I’m thinking this is a strong indicator that you do sense a connection between Trump and this string of white supremacist terror attacks. Otherwise, why bring him up?
So here’s my theory: you actually understand and agree that Donald Trump encourages white supremacist violence, because they’re a crucial part of his political base. But you’re inhibited from being honest about it, possibly to yourself and definitely to others, because open racism is still (thankfully) beyond the pale. So you deal with it in coded, underhand ways instead, such as by trying to throw sand in people’s eyes like this current example.
Marianne Williamson is not going to be president, but when she speaks of Donald Trump taking advantage of a ‘dark psychic force of collectivized hatred’, she is 100% correct. That dark force is what’s at work, Exscotticus, when you fail to deal with what’s actually there and try to twist my words into an accusation of someone you know to be guilty anyway.
Elrond, the Left is all over the Internet blaming Trump for the shootings. And so my point blank question to you as you dance around the issue cuts right to the chase: Do you think Trump is legally responsible and, if so, show us the evidence? No one cares about “Cloudflare” or “8chan”.
I notice that you provided no quotes that would satisfy the demands of the very legal test you brought up. I, too, could bring up scores of examples of Lefty leaders emphatically telling supporters to do “ANYTHING IT TAKES!” to accomplish their goals—after which violence ensues. But we both know that wouldn’t pass the test.
Exscotticus, since you insist on the framing, I will respond with equanimity: no, Donald Trump is not legally responsible for the mass shootings this past weekend. Will you now return the favour, and address the following question: are the mass shootings part of a pattern that Donald Trump stokes for his own political gain? Because I say they are.
>>> are the mass shootings part of a pattern that Donald Trump stokes for his own political gain? Because I say they are
No they’re not. And don’t take my word for it; the alleged shooter said as much in his alleged manifesto…
“My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.”
And, indeed, MANY such massacres happened on Obama’s watch when Trump wasn’t even on the scene. Should we apply your post hoc logic and conclude that it was all part of Obama’s pattern of governance? Political gain? Note JohnAZ’s post regarding Dems using this tragedy to fund-raise. It’s all over the conservative news.
You want some olive-branching love? Trump has serious character flaws. No doubt! But attributing mass murder to Trump in any way would seem to be a character flaw of your own.
Stokes?
You have to be kidding or pushing an agenda!
benr, my agenda is clear and palpable, and I make no bones about it.
Exscotticus: “MANY such massacres happened on Obama’s watch when Trump wasn’t even on the scene.”
You’re being purposefully dense. There’s no dispute that nuts in the USA (a) are plentifully supplied with guns and (b) have been committing massacres with them for one reason or another, or for no reason at all, for decades.
The accusation, one which I maintain, is that Trump sees the underlying tensions as an opportunity, not a threat, and that he capitalizes on them.
>>> The accusation, one which I maintain, is that Trump sees the underlying tensions as an opportunity, not a threat, and that he capitalizes on them.
Dude did you miss the posts about Dems fundraising on the El Paso tragedy? Who’s dense now?
The right move would be to severely curb it, ban the iphone, enforce nationwide tech-free days
Ban Hillary Clinton!!!
Not too worry.
Ford has come out with a new 760 bhp Shelby Mustang.
0-60 in about 2 seconds flat.
Guaranteed to burn rubber like its 1967
Base price: $75,000.
Brh
Shots fired call ends up being rap music video shoot with unloaded pellet gun
James, you are in fine form today. Yes, when society abandons people, people abandon society. It is that simple.
People who see their life has been destroyed choose to take some of the bastards with them. No surprise. Sadly it is the tiny bastards no the giant bastards who are killed.
A stunning resemblance, combat robots of the assassin sect:
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67591084_10219836564409765_2177203799486103552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQk2CIJix4PGz6d3lLfYrMSvgnVtqhP6gYeGcKyZchGwn2i6M_8rBn8fyokJXo_AxK8&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=318c53b381a3832b057bbc3a4d903bbc&oe=5DD2C980
Or, poor guys had nothing to do with it, and Special Forces worked the spot from the get go.
Hillary is just mocking the US
She climbed onto the stage and dances some nasty cancan with some would-be mass shooters with a poster in her hands:
“Anyway, you will all vote for me!!!”
She seem to be doing more and more nasty tricks on purpose to show the Americans that one old Witch could wipe herself up with the Constitution, the Presidency, US History, Democracy, the US economy – everything that the US citizens had recently been proud of.
Anti-Americanists can celebrate – I personally can not imagine more humiliation of the United States.
Look at this picture – are you all complete morons?
https://i.imgur.com/hTgJM2x.png
Holy sh#t Finca they all go to the same optomitrist!
… and all fell out of the same pussy
For someone who supposedly loves Jesus you sure are a liar. Who’s the father of lies?
That picture of the Dayton shooter is bullshit. Here is the actual guy:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
You got me!
https://eurweb.com/2019/08/04/connor-betts-ided-as-dayton-massacre-shooter-el-paso-shooter-labeled-domestic-terrorist/
Holy crap that guy looks like a lunatic and that is the new normal as espoused by our Democrat elites right down to him in a dress playing death metal.
Yea no problems there.
I am pretty sure that all high-ranking American journalists are in on it.
Stinking bitches!
@JHK
” it is probably necessary to make some kind of statement”
Why? To what end? For what purpose?
Industrial human society ruled by a relative few extremely privileged individuals is such an obscene aberration of the natural universe that the application of more obscenity does nothing more than temporarily satisfy the irrational lust for more obscenity – how stupid, it seems to me.
The fix – for everything – is simple but obviously not easy. Everybody simply needs to walk away and let it die.
This ain’t rocket science, folks. This is THE paradigm shift that needs to occur and will occur when the global ruling elite are ready for it.
Imagine this. Before the ruling elite are ready for it, the whole of industrial human society gets shut down because the entirety of the masses spontaneously cease to participate. That would just shickle the tit outa mi.
If I’m wrong on this one, I’ll eat McAfee’s hat.
~toktomi~
PS save your breath, y’all. i’m not interested and i will probably never see it
Once this elite is crushed, a new elite will rise up
This one more more vicious, dogmatic and brutal than the one it replaced
Like in 1918 in Russia, when the Bolsheviks murdered the czar and his family, and moved into the Kremlin. Then there was hell to pay.
Brh
Do you, guys, have an “Easy World History in Pictures” for rednecks or something?
First of all, there were 2 revolutions in Russia in 1917 – February – the so called liberal-borjuis revolution, which actually dislodged Tsar Nicholas from the Russian throne, and October Socialist revolution by the Bolsheviks, which, by the way, was fully supported by the General Stuff and Military Intelligence of the Russian Empire.
If not for the October Revolution which put a beginning to the Red Empire – USSR – the Russia would have seized to exist by the end of 1920s.
Who exactly gave an order to murder the Tsar’s family in 1918 still remains a mystery.
Finca, I was initially pleased you stepped in to clarify Back Row’s blatant nonsense but you did not do any better.
Lenin had a brother who was killed by the Czars Father years before the revolution. Lenin was in charge when the order was given. If you can’t figure out what happened from that then you don’t know night follows day. But even that is no excuse. Trotsky wrote that Lenin gave the order.
Finca, you do know who Trotsky was don’t you?
The February Revolution in the capital took place when members of the Duma assumed control of the country, forming a Provisional Government. The October revolution of the Bolsheviks took the Duma down. BOLSHEVIKS were NOT socialists. The first revolution had the support of the military as WWI had put Russia in chaos. In the second Trotsky became the new military. and fought a civil war.
You claim to be Russian Finca. I have my doubts.
JHK’s essay today is a Tour De Force…
I agree completely.
Do you remember George Carlin’s comedy routine in which he describes his glee at seeing the havoc wreaked by tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires, etc.?
We’ve created a mental and spiritual cul de sac, and the only way out is either to flee or to shoot your way out of all of the anomie.
Every year around Christmas time, I imagine myself shape-shifting into a Japanese pilot flying a Mitsubishi Zero circling a Walmart with the parking lot filled with fat holiday shoppers stuffing their TV watching faces with junk food. I then swoop down to strafe the barbarian Horde who then scream in terror as their SUV’s explode in flames.
After I read the Shooter’s Manifesto, I just scratched my head and thought: “Well, at least he did something, and he’s not wacking off to Internet porn in his mom’s basement.”
I’m surprised they don’t hit the Student Loan chop shop. I think that it’s called “Sallie Mae”?
America now is like Sartre’s play “No Exit”.
[Scene from the movie “Platoon”]
Sergeant Barnes: “You Potheads Smoke that shit to escape from Reality? Me, I am Reality. There’s the way it outta be, and there’s the way that it is.”
Lubbock, TX grandmother very recently foils her grandson’s plan to be a mass murderer. I guess she got in the way of the Special Forces hit team, right Finc?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/mass-shooting-averted/index.html
Kid lives in his grandmother’s basement watching porn? I think that the porn tends to mentally pacify blokes? The danger would lie in blokes getting off the Internet porn….
A lot of these Millennial blokes have grown up in single parent mother households. Many Millennials describe high school parties that their mothers attended and literally fucked their high school classmates. I guess that many of these Baby Boomer moms are locked in a permanent state of mental adolescence? If you were the father, it would not be possible to stay married to such a deranged woman.
I’m surprised that there aren’t more mass shootings.
Who is the Crazy White Witch who’s into New Age mysticism and who’s running as a Democratic candidate for POTUS? She was the debate “Winner”.
The whole society is deranged….
Bat Shit Crazy….
Hy Tyler and Him&Her must have known that Hindenburg and the Junkers in Prussia were of Slavic blood and that “Prussia” is a Slavic name? What Gives? Hy Tyler and Him&Her just didn’t want to face Reality as it didn’t fit their dogma? Weird….
Just in case anyone thinks that these two shootings were coordinated the nefarious them to make the right wing, white nationalism, and Trump look bad well think again. The Dayton shooter was an Elizabeth Warren supporting socialist. Oh and he seemed to love Satan too….
“On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.” The Greene County Board of Elections lists his party as “Dem.” You can read a roundup of his tweets – which also dealt with Parkland, Florida and 9/11 – here and later in this article. Here’s his tweet on Donald Trump’s election victory: This Is Bad.”
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/
The Dayton mass execution was obviously side effect of the first, taking the media by surprise.
It was not planned, obviously, something went broke in the killing machinery – wrong button was pushed on the Facebook page or the erroneous twit went viral.
Uh oh
Green Alba, KDog, this one’s for you,
It seems Russia is poised to install 2 nuclear reactors on a barge, and float it 4000 miles thru the arctic ocean; once on station they will be used to power up mining operations for oil, natgas and rare earth metals at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.
For Krissake haven’t the Russians heard of windmills and solar panels?
The sweet irony here is that Russia’s neighbor, Sweden, has gone balls to the wall ‘carbon free’, closing down its nuclear, oil fired, coal fired and natgas plants. (Its all part of the ‘feminist energy policy’, an adjunct to Swedens ‘Feminist Foreign Policy’) haha, Swedish cities already hit with blackouts and brownouts, and still a few power plants not shut down yet. Sweden returning to the stone age, with a country full of violent and unassimilated Muslims, who are gonna be rather pissed when their apartments go unheated and unlit in the middle of a nordic winter. They came to Sweden to score free sh#t from Scandanavian suckers and ‘get down’ with Swedish beauties, not freeze their balls off in some godforsaken city where the sun doesn’t rise for 6 months at a time. At the very least cars will be set afire.
Brh
Brh
China has sunk an oil well 9000 meters deep.
Western elites were in Venice last week, flying in from all points on private aircraft and powering in on luxury yachts. The world’s luminaries were in attendance. Bill Gates was there. Leonardo DiCaprio. Tom Steyer. Nancy Pelosi.
Do you think they mulled over Russia’s 2 nuclear reactors steaming thru the Arctic Ocean, and Chinas 9000 meter oil well, while sipping their Grey Goose gin on ice?
Brh
Do you think they mulled over Russia’s 2 nuclear reactors steaming thru the Arctic Ocean
I bet you my bottom dollar they were mulling about Jeffrey Epstein and whom he has already pointed out to authorities.
Speaking at the GMIS-2019 production and industrialization summit in Yekaterinburg on July 9, Russian President Vladimir Putin compared the desire to abandon nuclear energy in favor of alternative energy sources with the desire to “put on skins or move into caves.”
It is unlikely that the that people would be comfortable living on a planet “laden with a picket fence of windmills and covered with several layers of solar panels.”
This one is for me why? Am I supposed to bite something?
No, not really KDog.
And I don’t mean to be provocative either.
Its a big world out there and whatever environmental problems there might be they all can’t be laid at the feet of the United States.
Brh
That’s funny BRH.
I believe GA herself pointed out this particular development some weeks ago, BRH.
All that shite about Sweden’s power system is simply fake news, BRH. Just tell the truth.
“Sweden’s introduction on Thursday of a tax aimed at phasing out the nation’s last remaining coal and gas plants to curb global warming comes with an unintended consequence for some of its biggest cities.
Hiking threefold a levy on fossil fuels used at local power plants will make such facilities unprofitable and utilities from Stockholm Exergi AB to EON SE have said they will halt or cut power production.
The move means that grids in the capital and Malmo won’t be able to hook up new facilities including homes, transport links and factories. While Sweden doesn’t have a shortage of power, there’s not enough cables to ship it to the biggest cities.
“We don’t have a problem with generating enough power in Sweden, we have a problem with getting it to where it’s needed,” Magnus Hall, chief executive officer of state-owned utility Vattenfall AB, said in an interview. “This law was added with short notice and I am not sure a proper analysis of it was made.”
The tax was introduced in January in a budget deal between the Center Party, Liberals, Social Democrats and the Greens after record long 18 weeks of negotiations. As only one of 73 points hashed out between the political factions to reach a compromise, time for thorough analysis was probably slim.
In Mexico, over 35,0000 people were murdered.
In 2018. 1 year.
Firearms are illegal there.
Most of the people doing the murdering are bad guys with guns.
As are most of the murdered. Bad guys with many, many guns.
Needless to say, they have their own issues of domestic terrorism in a failed state ostensibly managed by an aristocracy that tends to be a little less mestizo.
In the US, the bad guys with guns tend to murder the bad guys, if not with guns, with extensive rap sheets, contraband, etc.
In bad neighborhoods.
They don’t indiscriminately murder innocents.
In the US, we have the “good guys” with guns doing that.
They legally purchase weapons, after a background check,
before trotting off to a resort casino, a gay disco, a dystopian discount store, or a vaguely agricultural festival. To kill innocents. Or good people without guns.
I’m most worried about “good ole guys” with guns.
You should be.
However, Americans, beckoned by a madly thumb-texting celebrity or an attorney (AKA politician) demand immediate satisfaction.
A pseudo-salve of sorts. Something. Now.
And, per usual, they will avoid the root problem. Nobody has the courage for that. They demand the appearance of change, because here, it is nothing more than the appearance of civilization, harmony, order, community, unity.
The root problem is the toxicity in a failed experiment. Unity in the pursuit of capital over society, over social unity, over shared norms and expectations. Banning guns will subdue a symptom, but the disease will go unaddressed. Moldering underneath is a society built upon unexceptional people, acutely aware of this fact, working mindless jobs to pay for college loans and electric car loans and mortgage on a beige vinyl-sided townhome off a traffic clogged highway loan.. AKA the American Dream. Debt for the middle-class badges of success: a degree, a new vehicle, a mortgage.
Civic interaction taking place with a wave of the Costco card, or a wave to the motorist trying to ease their way into the traffic.
Nobody wants to treat the hate. The toxicity of American life. They don’t know where to begin, because they don’t know it is there. This is all they know.
American exceptionalism. Exceptionally deceived. Exceptionally denied a meaningful life on this planet. A dignified existence that doesn’t end in weekly trips for bloodwork before ending up in flardah or a group home that smells of sepsis and bleach.
The subconscious knows, and banning guns is no cure for a rogue and traumatized psyche.
Here is the rub, though.
What is the alternative for a living pattern? If you or anyone could go back in time and change something, what would you change about today’s societal goals?
I for one would stop the development of the PC and wireless communication as I believe both have de-humanized all of us.
I for one would stop the development of the PC and wireless communication – JAZ
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I wouldn’t go quite that far John, but what I WOULD do is summarily execute anyone who fails to react to a green light because they are staring down at the fucking cell phone in their lap.
Keep out minorities. No Black slavery. Homogenous societies are the most peaceful. Then bolster our Western boundaries against the Rising Tide of Color worldwide. Crush the Communism that funded and trained them. Then head for the stars.
Seeing as how we’re likely to have more mass shootings, perhaps we need to think about more productive targets rather than fat Mexicans buying bullshit at WalMart? I suggest the following alternative targets:
A. Sallie Mae – the assholes who securitize all of the student loan debt and sell it for a profit;
B. The assholes in Hollywood making the Internet porn;
C. Mothers who fuck their kids classmates at high school parties;
D. Walmart is ok, but only after hours when no one is around except for the random homeless person looking for a partially eaten cheese burger.
Anything else?
I like JK…like his writing. I agree with much of his takes, and find most of his perspectives offer a bit of a twist. I don’t think he’s right about the gun bans here…and notice he has no twist or new way of considering it either. He’s left stating it abandoned from the usual trope. I think he just has that reflexive leftist “angle” too entrenched yet to still consider it in totality.
It may happen…but it too would be a sign of our giving up, acquiescing that “nothing matters anymore” and would speed the decline of our culture rather than delay it. There’s some ironic nihilism for ya Jim.
I didn’t say “ban guns.” I said military type weapons. — JHK Admin
Own guns you should be in a militia. Then there would be groups to manage those that need it.
Modern Liberalism redefines “Freedom” to mean Hedonism and then people go on shooting rampages in the face of barbarism and ubiquitous anomie.
“Hi, I’m Greg Hunter for USA Watchdog dot com. Today’s guest needs no introduction. He’s an insider and former advisor to The Fed, arrested on multiple counts of securities fraud, a convicted wife beater, and former high level advisor to the Kremlin who believes that Aliens from outer space are advising Trump to thwart the Mueller probe. I’m talking about none other than Alexie Obcornakov.”
Hollywood doesn’t like this one. Did they think they were immune?
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/08/outrage-as-university-strips-name-of-lillian-gish-from-campus-theater/
A small example, but one of many. It’s not going to stop but only accelerate. And they wonder where White rage comes from. Remember what the kid said: I don’t have a future. He’s right – he probably doesn’t. Not in America – not anywhere in the Anglo-Sphere or Western Europe.
A sign of the end times. We are on the same page again.
WTF!
“However, the college had already made the point that while Gish was perhaps not a racist she still had to pay a price for her association with the film.”
Words can’t describe how screwed up this is. It is so screwed up my paws even want to get involved. If it can’t be shown she was a racist her legacy should have no price to pay.
Future is what you make it to be.
“And they wonder where White rage comes from. Remember what the kid said: I don’t have a future.”
Remember the saga of ‘Sky King’? Maybe that’s who you’re talking about. Happened about a year ago in Seattle area. The one-year anniversary of the episode passed almost without remark just a week ago. Most of these events aren’t memory-holed, they’re just actively forgotten.
The erstwhile baggage-handler turned plane hi-jacker said after doing an impressive barrel-roll & before augering in, “Nope, no more jobs for me, I’m White.”
Well, the shooter’s manifesto. But yeah, the Sky King is more impressive example. A well liked and competent guy, apparently. Was he right about affirmative action for pilots? That bodes ill indeed.
Both self described Insel kooks one worshipped Satan and Socialism!
No, the Sky King was married. Watch the video – he was very likable.
Too bad he didn’t try and land the thing at Lewis-McChord. If he could have pulled it off he’d have a real chance of being free in a few years. Landing millions in working aluminum would have been worth a thank you.
He gave up too easy.
Maybe that’s who you’re talking about. It was clear who I was talking about.
If you follow the arrows, you’ll see I was responding to Janos, not to you. It’s not complicated.
Kdog: Yeah, I thought so too. He’d have to face an incredible shit storm from his wife and family, but obviously his life wasn’t working or he wouldn’t have done this. He was quietly desperate and very unhappy. But of course, then he’d have a record and there are no real second chances after something like that. Not at the level of life he was obviously interested in.
Well, ladies and germs;
Just a few minutes ago, Tucker Carlson, on Fox News, quoted our Host, Wm. Kunstler, by name, intimating that he is among America’s great thinkers, and showing a segment of today’s post that explains, in part, issues in the corruption of our culture. A portion of today’s post was presented on the screen.
Congratulations Mr. Kunstler.
…And it was the lead story…above the fold….
Awesome!
Wow congrats Mr. K! I’m going to have to look this up on YouTube!
We will become famous too. A rising tide lifts all boats.
ha ha ha
uhhh, I don’t know I’d go that far lol
yeah I thought that was cool, and greatly needed
I’m not Wm. Kunstler. —JHK Admin
Well, I obviously was in error…late at night (for me) and all that.
…You do look like a William, however….
“The unintended consequences of demonizing the white population—all except those guilt-ridden white liberals living on multi-million dollar trust funds who join in the demonization of white people—are many and far reaching. For example, why would any white male with a brain join the military of a country that has abandoned his interest and is operating against him? Why would he join a military of a country that the Democratic Party prevents from defending its own borders? Why would he join a military and be sent to kill Arabs in the Middle East and blacks in North Africa when he is taught to feel guilt for his racial hatred of “racial minorities?”
Doesn’t a country collapse when its core population is demonized and dispossessed?”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/08/05/mass-shootings-and-responses-to-them-have-unintended-consequences/
Is it really a mystery?
Just watch TV.
Most of the shows feature gun violence.
The Wild West, shoot em up. Kill em all.
I believe that we are actually lucky it does not happen more often.
Perhaps the root of it all is in the training of our children.
Women are trained to manipulate men.
Men are trained to kill, or just work themselves to death.
But you ignored the most important point of the discussion. Its not just anyone. This is all specifically being done to the White population. You can train your child to do anything sure. But when society will work to make sure that child does not have opportunities what does the training mean?
“Men are trained to kill, or just work themselves to death.”
Zone,
Yes, men are the drones, the female the queen bee.
“For example, why would any white male with a brain join the military of a country that has abandoned his interest and is operating against him? ”
“I don’t know. Beats me….”
Dude, everybody knows the best soldiers and Marines are transvestites and black single moms from Chicago ghettos. Don’t you watch MSNBC? White men are no longer needed in the US armed forces, except for a few much lauded gay air force generals and Navy admirals.
Its the New Model military, designed not to win wars, but to foster inclusion and welcoming.
Brh
Do you agree that only “proper” English “Gentlemen” should be allowed to serve in the Officer Corps? What about “Paki’s”?
“Britain was changing, however, and slowly the army, heels dug in, was being pulled along. At the start of the 1870s the government had ended the time-honored system by which officers bought their commissions and promotions, often paying fortunes to rise to the senior ranks. Even after this reform, however, only gentlemen were regarded as suitable candidates for the officer corps. The term gentleman applied only to individuals with the right family antecedents, and not even gentlemen found it possible to survive as junior officers without private sources of income. Late in the nineteenth century, when an outstanding young sergeant named William Robertson was offered the rare opportunity to accept a commission, he was unable to do so because his expenses as a junior lieutenant (everything from uniforms to mess fees to a share in supporting the regimental band) would have been at least four times his salary of £ 100. When they did somehow manage to become officers, “rankers” were commonly shunned and even viciously hazed by gentlemen unwilling to accept them.“
G. J. Meyer
A World Undone: The Story of the Great War, 1914 to 1918
How would the Politically Correct media react if rather than stereotypically shooting up a Walmart with an assault rifle, the white bloke puts on war paint, hacks the victims with a Tomahawk, and then scalps them on TV?
Finca, you do know who Trotsky was don’t you? KDog
Trotsky was the man who wanted to throw Russia into a furnace of “permanent revolution” just like Hillary Clinton wants to throw US into a furnace of permanent war (or World War III) because for Trotsky Russian people were an expendable material, just like American people are expendable material for Hillary.
Thanks to Trotsky, Moscow by the mid 1930s became the capital of the world anti-Christianity.
Trotsky was also an agent of American “The Inquiry Commission”, which later became known as the Council on Foreign Relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry
We all know what happened between Stalin and Trotsky.
By the way, the most of US Democratic Party candidates for the US Presidency are essentially NOT socialists, but Trotskyists.
Did you think I would not see this. Guess I’ll chase the bone again.
Trotsky, before 1930 had been exiled. Ideologically permanent revolution always pertained to the rest of the world; a stance which Stalin opposed for obvious pragmatic reasons and because Stalin was a tyrant. Smoke em if you got em Finca.
The Sandpit Generals – Art and Life
This movie was the first that I watched with a girl.
I myself got tickets to the festival, hoping to kiss her while watching, but the film shocked me so much that I forgot about these plans.
Now I understand that this movie shocked me and not only me because we somehow understood that it was a film about our future, that we look at how we and our children will live in the 90s. Moreover, as I just remembered, it was then that changes took place in Soviet society that made the 90s inevitable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjNjoZ_bYjo
Happy Hiroshima Day!
A new study has devastatingly confirmed what many of us had suspected all along:
that gun violence is caused by our political opponents.
An exhaustive new study from the CDC reveals that the leading cause of gun violence in America is your political opponents. Researchers looked at a number of potential causes of gun violence such as mental health, family situation, cultural shifts, gun laws, rap music, videogames, sugar consumption, and the actual gunman, but by and large, the most prominent cause of gun violence was what most already suspected. The fault lies with those who you disagree with politically.
The accompany bar chart shows that approximately 80% of gun violence is caused by your political opponents.
https://babylonbee.com/news/study-shows-leading-cause-of-gun-violence-is-your-political-opponent
2019 mass shooter photos from WND. Definitely very Male but not necessarily White. Two girls too! One White and one Black.
Oopsie! Here is the link
https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mass-shooters-2019.jpg
And now I see three Black women not just one!
“Blacks……too many blacks. All the names were verified on Google by the way
Thanks for the line-up. Conclusive evidence demonstrating my point. Do you think many of those perps were Trump supporters? Don’t make me laugh!
Since most of these individuals can be adjudged as Trump’s political opponents, it proves that Trump is the cause of most of the mass shootings.
I know right! I was trying to figure out which ones could actually be considered conservative White Nationalists lol! Very interesting psychology of projection going on here. And it makes sense with how debased our society has become that people are actually willing to blame someone they don’t like for making them take actions with their own minds and bodies. A complete abdication of responsibility!
SSL
Remember part of Carters demise was the 55 mph speed limit to save energy.
Steyer/Schultz 2020
“KEEP THE FREAK FLAG FLYING”
brh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPsqnQXLuu4
The Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation revealed cases of intentional arson of forests in Siberia
https://ria.ru/20190806/1557214993.html
MOSCOW, Aug 6 – RIA News. The Prosecutor General’s Office revealed facts of intentional arson of forests in the Irkutsk region, said the official representative of the department, Alexander Kurennoy.
The day before, Roman Fedosov, the prosecutor of the main department for the enforcement of environmental laws, told RIA Novosti that the regional authorities had distorted statistics on forest fires.
Inaccurate information related to fires, distances to settlements and data on the time of elimination of fires. According to Fedosov, because of this, the federal authorities and relevant departments did not have time to adequately respond to the situation.
I’m going to end off by reposting something I said yesterday early on the prior JHK post to this one. I doubt many got to read it and I think it ended up being quite correct. Now SSL chided me for painting with a wide brush, but I did use the word “some”. But I should’ve been more clear as to what I mean by some. I mean a handful of regular posters who probably don’t number higher than 4 or 5.
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From yesterday….
“I understand that the El Paso mass murderer could have been right at home here with some on CFN. Yep, add 30 to 50 years to his age and he would be one of the boys here. Deep down when these old cranks here read his manifesto they’ll feel an enlargement in their groin area. Then silently say, “Well said young man….well said”. And perhaps wish that the body count would’ve been higher.
(The body count of “fat Mexicans coming out of the butthole of Walmart” as Pucker says).”
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It turns out that SSL is actually one of the ones who does sympathize
with the murderer’s manifesto. She admitted as such way up above on this thread. But I do not think she wishes the body count was higher. That honor is reserved for the slimiest of you. And you know who you are. Again, not more than 4 or 5.
A lot more of you have been flippant about the murders and are more concerned about potential regulation of the AR15s and AK47s.
It’s been real…..sometimes fun……but never real fun.
Yes, I reject his actions but I do sympathize with him. If we cared about him as much as we care about foreigners who have no right to this country then he may have been a healthier young man. Now his life is wasted and he has wasted many other lives. But our society has no desire to get to the root of the problem. Because that would mean that White men would need to be paid attention to and treated as human beings. That would mean that our borders would be enforced and our government would be disassociated from the Chamber of Commerce and corporate tyrants. That will never happen in a society that is only ratcheting up the racist and genocidal rhetoric against Whites on a minute by minute basis.
One shooter is Rightist, the other Leftist. Both very pissed off at the world. So which side is at fault? Obvious,
It is Trump’s fault.
I hate to tell you Left apologists, Trump does not care what you think. Thank goodness.
What a group of idiots.
Since I’ve been accused here of being a ‘white supremacist,’ & since these types of tragedies can be spun twelve ways from Sunday from both sides of the political spectrum, now I’m wondering, just who are you referring to? I doubt that anybody here wishes the body count had been higher so you need to either put up or shut up when you make that accusation.
Hey Tate. Remember Sticks and Stones? The Left doesn’t.
When they have cried wolf enough with racism, it will just fade away.
Gold,
Perhaps some agree with the overall message of the manifesto, but not the methods?
Haven’t read it myself.
A lot of fat Walmart Shoppers….
“A new poll out of the UK reveals that a staggering 89 per cent of young people aged 18-29 feel their lives are meaningless and without purpose.
30 per cent of youngsters complain about being “stuck in a rut,” while 84 per cent say they are failing to “live their best life.”
One of the primary reasons cited for failing to achieve happiness and purpose is a lack of finances, according to 45 per cent of respondents.
The survey, conducted by Yakult UK, found that 80 per cent of people across all age ranges felt they were living without purpose, but that number drops to 55 per cent for people over the age of 60.
More than a third of Brits would completely start their lives over given the chance.
While by no means the only reason, many have argued that the emergence of mass shootings in the west by young men can partly be attributed to the nihilistic malaise that many teenagers grow up experiencing.”
Open discrimination against White people in official government policy, as well as in all forms of media and academia which routinely promote White disenfranchisement, dispossession, replacement by non-Whites and ultimately genocide are the problem and will only bring on more conflict. The actions of those who hate Whites reveal the truth about where we are and where we need to be. White separatism and the need for White homelands has never been more clear. And I feel it now every day. We are getting stronger. And in this I laugh and scoff at the oppression dispensed by the wicked. You help us more than you know. We shouldn’t give any of our energy to this dying fake society any longer. Time to build a new future by and for Whites.
How much more you could throw kerosine on that fire?!
The Truth hurts doesn’t it.
SSL
This is a “White” culture. It is also an outlaw culture. One consequence of being a Mecca for world migration is that we get the folks that other countries do not want. The original settlers here were European religious outcasts and prisoners. We really have not changed much either.
An important point is that this country is still predominately “White” in nature. A few pockets of Liberal minority control exist that are causing all the ruckus. Think about it, if a miracle happened and the West Coast, New York, New Jersey and Colorado disappeared, most of the discord would be gone.
If “White” becomes a rallying call, think 2016 and 2020 elections, either a lot of the discord will go away, or a civil war may erupt. Either way this nation divided will have to deal with the problems of multi-culturalism.
And remember that the people who are disenfranchising “Whites” are other Whites. Remember what happened to the French collaborators after the Nazis were driven out of France after WW2. These Ult-Leftist “Whites” will pay the price.
The number one candidates are 22 of 24 POTUS candidates.
Hillary is going for the Kill
It appears that Hillary has abandoned her plans of replacing President Trump through 2020 elections and now is going for overthrow of the US President using her assets in Intelligence and Law Enforcement: Her mass media shills are demanding the changes to Patriot Act so that the intelligence tools so far applied only to foreign terrorists – Al Qaeda and ISIS will be applicable to “domestic terrorists” – she’s going for Trump’s base and probably, for the sites like this one.
Obviously, this time just abandonment of the Second Amendment to US Constitution is not enough for her.
Good luck with that. Talk about a conflagration!!!!!!
would need to create a new govt department for that
Call it the Stasi/NKVD/SD
Short for Bureau of Internal Security
They could train their cadre at the ‘White Studies’ dept at Columbia University.
Brh
That is why the investigation of the IG and the guy from Connecticut is critical. If the DOJ continues to excuse the malfeasance in the intelligence community, think Comey, your prediction may be right on. It would definitely show the Left and not Trump , is really in charge.
One question, Finca, do you think HRC is really running all the global insurrection or is it a global group with all the Soros cast of characters and Hillary is just a loyal soldier.
One way or the other, the goal is removal of the US as a competitor to the global network. And Russia is next.
The biggest dupes are those that think that this is a big global coincidence. That is how these folks operate.
Finca, do you think HRC is really running all the global insurrection
No, Trump and Putin are running the global insurrection against the Iron Heel of the Black Project with Hillary at the helm.
Hesitant to comment on this one.
However, I do think the mayhem is still in the warm-up phases.
The crazies are the canaries in the coalmine.
Once this collapse starts to get rolling the serious people will begin to participate for a variety of reasons- control, power, revenge, etc.
The time gets closer and closer but we are not there yet. God help us all when it arrives because we have built up much stress…the release will be epic.
When the stress releases, it will be the San Andreas’ fault.
For the TDS Left, even San Andreas fault would be Trump’s fault.
I refuse to listen to a political party about gun control, when they think abortions are a form of health care
Biden is toast:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan?fbclid=IwAR3bVFkKdwSh-vmfF0cO84nBJmeCf5uZHYKPKIIkxatTnd9DhX8GokrQcVQ
You would think so. But Biden—like Trump—appears to be gaffe-proof. You’d be amazed at how many voters have never even heard of Biden’s creepy child-fondling and hair-smelling.
I refuse to acknowledge their crocodile tears over the shootings as they use them to raise funds. The Left does not care a whit about people.
Janos What was the Black female writer who died, the one who read at Clintons inauguration?
When she died, RateMyProfessor removed the bad reviews people had posted. [oh, its in this, Maya]
meanwhile
Winner of the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for “Beloved,” she was one of the book world’s most regal presences, with her expanse of graying dreadlocks; her dark, discerning eyes; and warm, theatrical voice, able to lower itself to a mysterious growl or rise to a humorous falsetto. “That handsome and perceptive lady,” James Baldwin called her.
Her admirers were countless — from fellow authors, college students and working people to Obama and fellow former President Bill Clinton; to Oprah Winfrey, who idolized Morrison and helped greatly expand her readership. Morrison shared those high opinions, repeatedly labeling one of her novels, “Love,” as “perfect” and rejecting the idea that artistic achievement called for quiet acceptance.
“Maya Angelou helped me without her knowing it,” Morrison told The Associated Press during a 1998 interview. “When she was writing her first book, ‘I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings,’ I was an editor at Random House. She was having such a good time, and she never said, ‘Who me? My little book?’
“I decided that … winning the (Nobel) prize was fabulous,” Morrison added. “Nobody was going to take that and make it into something else. I felt representational. I felt American. I felt Ohioan. I felt blacker than ever. I felt more woman than ever. I felt all of that, and put all of that together and went out and had a good time.”
Mass murder in the US is nothing new. Remember the University of Texas Tower shooter? He killed his mother and wife and then shot dead another 14. That was in 1966. They go back further than that. You can look it up on-line. But it seems that it’s ramping up as time passes.
Given the degraded state of the various “ologies” that purport to “study” such events, I figure that JHK’s take on them, and yours and mine for that matter, are as clear as anybody’s.
So what we got here anyhow? An abundance of loose cranial screws, and an equal profusion of guns, plus problems and gripes both real and imagined, and political agendas.
And this is interesting by itself, an article on zerohedge sez that a large proportion of millennials have no friends and no acquaintances.
BUT. And it’s a big “but”. But the study was done by a university so the question is whether it’s worth a damn given that social science faculties are such well-known incubators for ideology but maybe not so much for dispassionate investigation. OK, so does the survey result square with your own observation?
We keep hearing about the atomization of American society, maybe sped along by the ubiquity of social media, first by way of cell-phone, then email and then rudimentary chat-rooms and then the full-bore facebookization of human relations. Everybody by their lonesome on a smartphone even when they’re entwined with some lovely on a park-bench.
What does an on-line setting give you? It can give you a forum for debate. It can also give you an echo-chamber where loons gather to reinforce each others lunacies.
Given that humans are by nature such famously social creatures, it’s hard to fathom how such people exist day-to-day except maybe as two dimensional on-line caricatures of themselves, conversing without the multiple sensory and cognitive inputs that a real-time physical setting with real people would provide. You know, like face-to-face in a coffee shop or restaurant or bar. What does such social-sensory deprivation do to someone’s brain? Maybe a sizable contingent goes nuts. Maybe we’re seeing the results in real-time.
He left a note. He had a brain tumor that caused his killing spree.
It’s common to bash the political Left and its anything-goes nihilism but I don’t see anything better coming from the Right. Theirs is a lot of pretend piety and patriotism all used as a cover for the real agenda of taking care of their rich paymasters.
How many young guys are unmarriageable because there’s no reliable bread-winner work that would allow for the support of a child-bearing wife and her offspring? But this is the direct result of the agenda of the Right, the mass demolition of a way of life and means of making a living. I think it was a past CEO of GE that said American workers make too much money. Maybe he can pray tell us all just where the fuck the market for GE products comes from if not decently compensated consumers? The gig economy? Blow me.
And so you have a multitude of young guys with no outlet for their prodigious energies, neither a steady job nor a discernible career nor a nubile young chick to return to after a hard day at work.
IMO what you see has got a common thread, whether it’s the regular as the rising sun shoot-em-ups, or the pro-Brexit vote, or the French gilets jaunes rock throwers or the even more violent version in Hong Kong. Life for the common man is getting shittier and shittier and the response of the ruling class is to deplore, to down-play the damage they’ve done to people, or to distract from real material needs by talking about irrelevancies.
Maybe university faculties could take a break from climbing the Everests of unreality and come back down to earth and have a gander at this. Or, on second thought, better not as anything that comes out of those quacks does more harm than good.
“Maybe university faculties could take a break from climbing the Everests of unreality”
Volodya,
Why stop at the University level? Our cultural issues come from youth who, at a very young age, are not taught responsibility, community(patriotism), nor sacrifice. A potential solution is staring us in the face.
The solution was had in Germany in the mid ’30’s. Yes, I know, there were…excesses.
But…just like Communism, maybe it wasn’t done correctly, and this time….
That used to be the job of the parents, schools, church and the Scouts. No longer on all four counts.
Parents either do not care, are too stupid, or too busy.
Schools are a Progressive programming machine.
Church has kowtowed to the prevailing winds.
Scouts are too worried about Gay rights.
EF, Roosevelt issued the warning in the 1930s to his rich friends, give up some wealth and privilege to make life bearable for others or risk losing it all. The political alternatives were staring people in the face back then too, Hitler and his views and the Bolsheviks and theirs.
So you have a point, which is one that Democrats refused to contemplate and also Republicans, that there is a great deal of distress in the country and, like in Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, the man with the plan and the helping hand is the one that wins the vote.
Hillary lost because she was the opposite, with no plan and no helping hand. Rather, she stood for upper-class interests and not only that but she disparaged a huge swathe of the electorate. Conversely Trump won because he took the side of the afflicted and proposed solutions to what ailed them. This was the easiest political lesson to learn.
But the lesson here won’t be learned by anyone at the upper echelons, neither donors to either Democrats or Republicans nor the Establishment thinking-class which does perilously little of what they pretend to do.
Which of course makes more likely the rise of what they fear the most, the man that proposes a radical do-over. They’ll sloppily paint such an individual a Nazi or a Fascist not having any idea of what Nazis or Fascists were really like. That’s not to say that the resulting kerfuffles won’t be nasty, they could very well be, but nastiness doesn’t by itself make a Fascist or a Nazi.
In fact, I suspect that the agenda of the man-with-the-plan will be the very opposite of what Fascists and Nazis proposed. Will it be nationalist? It could be. But far from imperialist conquest, a scaling back of overseas military commitment, far from a racist regime looking to push White interests over those of others, you could get a class-based agenda, designed to dismantle the stranglehold of Wall Street and the Oligarchs. There could be a severe scaling back of immigration and a rough approach to the southern border and those in the country illegally because in this issue as with many others, the interests of Big Money will no longer prevail. Neo-liberalism? Bye-bye.
In short, present-day elites that benefit mightily from the current disposition of things, could find a severe challenge to their vision and to their position in this society.
As you so delicately put it, in the last go-round there were “excesses”. We’ll see in the next one if things are done differently.
Astute analysis.
I wonder that when Washington says we are at full employment, where?
We lost our manufacturing sector thanks to corporations moving away from a negative financial situation in the US. Where are all these folks? We hear about the plight of the millennial dependence, and I do believe it, so where are they all working? What is the real picture of the workers in this country. I will guarantee you one thing, they are not all computer people making high salaries.
People working is the basis of wealth, not the monetary printing press in DC. We keep downsizing the workers of this country, we are finished. All these stupid Progressives and their give away for votes programs had better start identifying some more sources of wealth. The printing press is wearing out.
Good questions. When your eyes tell you a story that differs radically from the official narrative or official numbers, there’s only one thing you can do and that’s to believe what you see and hear yourself.
It’s like Pravda and Izvestia telling grandiose stories about the achievements of socialism. The truth was in the grubby day-to-day where everything was in short supply but vodka.
>>> How many young guys are unmarriageable because there’s no reliable bread-winner work that would allow for the support of a child-bearing wife and her offspring?
Young men always have this option. Exciting, patriotic, and builds character, too!
Friends,
Did you know that there are still close to 80,000 Holocaust survivors residing in the U.S.A. at the end of 2018?
Now bipartisan legislation has been introduced into the Senate by Senators Ben Cardin, D-MD, Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., & Jacky Rosen, D-NV, that will prioritize health care & nutrition services for Holocaust survivors.
The Trauma-Informed Modernization of Eldercare for Holocaust Survivors Act (or “TIME for Holocaust Survivors Act”) increases the chance that survivors will be able to age in their own homes.
“‘Holocaust survivors came to the United States seeking refuge from unimaginable horrors. They have lived their lives here and enriched our nation. With an average age of 85, we [sic] have an obligation to provide Holocaust survivors the community support and special services they need to live out their final days,’ Cardin said in a statement.”
And so do the rest of us (have that obligation). But that’s another story. The REAL story is that “Aging Holocaust survivors have needs similar to other older Americans, but institutionalized settings, with confined spaces or restriction on food, can induce panic, anxiety, and re-traumatization due to their Holocaust experiences,” the bill notes.
Democrat Muslim Rashida Tlaib: we “celebrate” the Holocaust… gives me a “calming feeling”…
Full context.
Where is the Left denouncing Tlaib’s “pattern” of speech, her “hateful” and “divisive” “rhetoric”, her “extremism” that is “directly responsible” for antisemitic attacks? Elrond? Anyone?
wow, you’d think after watching that video you’d been watching Heinrich Himmler’s girlfriend, or maybe just Heinrich Himmler.
Ex
You’re drawing a long bow, based on the content of that video clip. In fact, you deliberately misrepresent her clear meaning.
What, exactly, was ‘hateful & divisive rhetoric’ in that clip?
>>> In fact, you deliberately misrepresent her clear meaning.
I linked to the entire video. It speaks for itself. She “celebrates” the Holocaust. Her words. Yes—it’s hateful. Also hateful is to falsely claim that her ancestors provided Jews with a “safe haven” during the Holocaust. Pure fiction and quite the opposite.
Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can’t get it.
“Let me tell you – I mean, for me, I think two weeks ago we celebrated – or took a moment I think in our country to remember – the massacre at El Paso. And there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the massacre and the tragedy of the massacre in the fact that it was my ancestors – Americans – who lost their land; and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity. Their existence in many ways had been wiped out, and some people’s passports – I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for immigrants…”
Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can’t get it. – Exscot
==========
Sure, I understand what Exscot is saying here but why wouldn’t the sentence be better as “Let’s paraphrase Tlaib and see if you can get it.”
I love that crucial bit Tlaib added about the passports! In the context of mass murder and the attempted extermination of all Jews on the planet, Tlaib feels the need to point out the deprivations “her people” suffered “trying to create a safe haven”. Some of them lost their passports! OMG!
Can anyone who isn’t non compos mentis honestly argue that if Trump had said this, the Left would defend it as perfectly reasonable?
” institutionalized settings, with confined spaces or restriction on food, can induce panic, anxiety, and re-traumatization due to their Holocaust experiences,” the bill notes.”
Tate,
I would further note…”bullshit”….
It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives
By An AR-15
https://www.theonion.com/it-s-an-honor-to-continue-being-valued-over-countless-h-1819585030
“Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years. That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.
“I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.
“You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection. Truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.”
—
You’re… welcome?
i know two people who went out and bought new rifles today, not AR15s, but scoped, bolt action beauties, .308 cal, one a Remington Model 700, the other a Ruger American.
… as one of them said “before its too late”.
Brh
I would rather be sprayed at from an AR at 50 feet than targeted by a .308 Model 700 from 500 yards away. You can choose which eyeball the round goes into with the 700, just ask the Texas Tower sniper. People are dimwitted fools for the most part because an automatic combat shotgun with 8 rounds of rifled slugs and buckshot in the tube can guarantee just as many KIA’s as any AR. So can a common propane cylinder rigged properly. Fools all. .
At any rate Elrond, if ARs and Kalashnakovs were to suddenly disappear, what’s stopping someone from buying a new M1 .,30 cal carbine, a design from the early 1940s, which is being manufactured again by Inland in Florida? You can pick one up for about $500.
Brh
BRH,
If semi-automatics become illegal to own, why not just acquire a machine gun on the black market?
One felony is as good as another, and the full auto’s are much more fun to shoot.
You know E I never fired a full auto AR, the M16s in my era had this 3 round burst. These were Viet Nam era weapons so they must’ve been by modified somewhere along the way.
Speaking of AR15s, its a design over 60 years old. Its the big bogeyman now but I expect the DoD will be retiring it before too long and adopt something new, also replace the pipsqueak .223 round with the more formidable 6.5 Creedmore, fired from a weapon of bullpup design. Then the AR15/M16 will join the retired ranks of previous beloved American rifles, the Springfield 45/70, the Krag, Springfield 03, the Garand, and the (not so beloved M14) It will be a relic.
Brh
I suspect that funds will be an issue in re-gunning the military so I would suggest an approach of make it strong, make it simple, make it work. And make it low cost.
Or maybe use the tried and true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TjEBvezEjM
Or the 43 version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIBpKHS90Ck
900 rpm
That’s what I’m talkin about!
“(not so beloved M14)”
BRH,
I have met many marines who carried the M-14…they seem to remember it fondly.
Damned straight BRH, a real rifle has to have wood and our M-14’s were exceptional weapons! I never fired mine on full auto way back when, but I heard that if you did, the first round might be close to where you aimed it but the rest of your mag might take down any overhead aircraft.
The Blizzard in the Brains
As expected, Epstein’s arrest made Hillary put her I hope last reserves into the battle, and this tactical move, which included not only massacres in California and Texas, but also fires in Siberia, as well as Medvedev looking for Chinese arsonists, was successful, which in my opinion Bastinda, who planned all this, not even expected.
So everything is not very good, but if the last reserves were really put into battle, then having killed all the flying monkeys or seized the appropriate hat, Trump will finally be able to become the president of the United States, and it will be possible to deal with Hillary in accordance with the scope of her crimes.
And while I am writing something more intelligible on this subject, I ask you, my dear readers to get acquainted with what world history, world culture and even the work of your humble servant is turning into in the hands of a smart and decent Russian publicist Mikhail Delyagin as a result of a little mistake: denial of a religious factor in the 15th Century War of the Roses.
New Carthage was forged by Jews from Venice (M. Delyagin, A. Fefelov)
What is the phenomenon of the British elite, which created an “empire in which the sun does not set.” How from a poor European country, England went all the way to the richest and most influential in the world. What role did the gentry layer of former merchants play in the success. What are the principles of Protestant morality? The secret life of Daniel Defoe, by whom the English intelligence was created, led by a famous writer. Where are the origins of modern capitalism, who managed the English finances. This and much more is told by the publicist, doctor of economic sciences Mikhail Delyagin and presenter Andrei Fefelov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ2WBiMmI34
And what kind of brain blizzard that is can be understood simply by reading the biography of Sir Isaac Newton, who received the knighthood not for the mathematical beginnings of natural philosophy, – a topic that Newton quit studying at 35, but for his comments on the Book of Daniel, which Delyagin considers to be a sign of madness, but the grace by which Sir Isaac Newton unexpectedly became a cool director of the Royal Mint and without further ado, he hung up on the street lamps representatives of the globalist elite from the notorious City of London, where the English king does not dare to enter without the accompaniment of the Lord Mayor.
By the way, these comments by Isaac Newton on Daniel’s book now somehow ended up in the Jerusalem Library and are more difficult to access than for the descendants of Ribbentrop to gain access to the Schneerson library in Moscow.
And by the way, Fursov turned out to be the next YouTube video and it turned out that he speaks about the same topic, and note that his description of the Cambridge Five (and actually the Cambridge Dozen) perfectly illustrates what I have been trying to explain in this blog for a long time – that the communist regime in Moscow in 1918-1991 is actually a Red Project of the West = Lancaster, that is, the old aristocracy of Great Britain, which grew up according to Bulgakov around the oldest on the planet Church of England, despite the fact that according to Delyagin and Daniel Defoe this aristocracy simply does not exist.
Where did the aristocracy of Europe go? Andrey Fursov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wk9UJZen6E
By the way, the song from the movie “The Sandpit Generals” is the manifesto of the Red World Project of the West on the emergence of the embryo of a Christian world project that does not recognize the division of humanity – pay attention to the words: “You all won’t admit my kinship with you, but I am your brother.”
he hung up on the street lamps representatives of the globalist elite from the notorious City of London
Newton and the Counterfeiter
A fascinating slice of true-crime history that unfolds in 1695, when law enforcement was unheard of and modern money was little more than a concept When renowned scientist Isaac Newton took up the post of Warden of His Majesty’s Mint in London, another kind of genius—a preternaturally gifted counterfeiter named William Chaloner—had already taken up residence in the city, rising quickly in an unruly, competitive underworld. In the courts and streets of London, and amid the tremors of a world being transformed by ideas Newton himself had set in motion, Chaloner crosses paths with the formidable new warden. An epic game of cat and mouse ensues in Newton and the Counterfeiter, revealing for the first time that Newton was not only one of the greatest minds of his age, but also a remarkably intrepid investigator.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/isaac-newtons-war-with-a-17th-century-counterfeiter-sho-1702654702
Now I remember having a little skirmish here regarding Webster Tarpley.
Just take a few minutes and read what that notorious conspiracy theorist writes about Sir Isaac Newton:
NEWTON: A CULTIST KOOK. 1994.
The next phase of the corruption of science by Venice depends on a rather obscure Cambridge don by the name of Isaac Newton. For the oligarchy, Newton and Galileo are the only two contenders for the honor of being the most influential thinker of their faction since Aristotle himself. The British oligarchy praises Newton as the founder of modern science. But, at the same time, they have been unable to keep secret the fact that Newton was a raving irrationalist, a cultist kook.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/how-the-dead-souls-of-venice-corrupted-science/
I find it fascinating that the MSM demands both a curtailing of the 1st & 2nd Bill of Rights after these shootings.
It reminds me of some lines from a Pink Floyd ‘Wish You Were Here’:
“So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?”
I don’t think many Americans tell the difference anymore.
good tune
Do you empathize with the obese Walmart Shoppers who shop for bullshit with their fat kids while stuffing their TV screen smudged faces with Hot Pockets? Do you empathize with the barbarians, the enemies of Western Civilization? I don’t. I wish that all of the Walmart’s, shopping malls, and suburban sprawl would just disappear. They represent a kind of spiritual and mental Holocaust. I know that many of you feel the same way. Be honest.
“A new poll out of the UK reveals that a staggering 89 per cent of young people aged 18-29 feel their lives are meaningless and without purpose.
30 per cent of youngsters complain about being “stuck in a rut,” while 84 per cent say they are failing to “live their best life.”
One of the primary reasons cited for failing to achieve happiness and purpose is a lack of finances, according to 45 per cent of respondents.
The survey, conducted by Yakult UK, found that 80 per cent of people across all age ranges felt they were living without purpose, but that number drops to 55 per cent for people over the age of 60.
More than a third of Brits would completely start their lives over given the chance.
While by no means the only reason, many have argued that the emergence of mass shootings in the west by young men can partly be attributed to the nihilistic malaise that many teenagers grow up experiencing.”
Do you remember the Ghost Dance of the Lakota Native Americans? I may be a bit of a Ghost Dancer on the “Soul Train”. I think that the Shamans believe that dancing and music are mediums of spiritual communication. They would play drums and shake rattles and stomp. War is a means of spiritual communication? (“Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Booooommmm!”).
The gods have decided that it has to go….
Do you remember the sound of “Stalin’s Organs” during the Battle of Kursk?
Contemplate that sound…..
What does it sound like to the gods? Is it a beautiful melody? If not, then why is it called “Stalin’s Organs”?
Sarcasm.
The tubes of the Katyusha Rockets resemble organ pipes….
Good analysis!
Remember when the center of a suburb was a small town city center. Then the mass exodus from the cities in the fifties to get back to rural living. Then in the eighties the shopping mall with all its activities became the center. Now, with the malls dying in the retail apocalypse, what will bind the suburbs. Answer: nothing. Malls used to be a hang out spot for teens, social media killed that. Maybe that is part of the death cycle for the malls and their stores.
JohnAZ
From 1986 – True Stories movie – the Mall Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cYYPpZ8rFI
I just noticed something in that clip, which I’ve seen uncountable times…
When David Byrne points out some women to Lewis, there’s two groups – a cohort of old grandma type white ladies and a group of lithe young black female cheerleader types.
Lewis’ response is “They’re a bit too old for me” – it’s as if he couldn’t SEE, at a cognitive level, the black girls.
Not sure if there’s a point there or not. Maybe SSL can impute something into it?
Consumerism, American Style…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqCp_cmQ-IE
This clip is also premonitory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA15oCKCYHM
This one – the woman HAS to b based on SSL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODLjjHkUUQ
True Stories – This little movie has it all!
Conspiracy Theories explained at last!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPT2HIgJPnE
One last one…
a real ‘Murcan circa 1986:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9a1JQi7G3k
Tate:
Re: race of mass shooters.
I had focused on the ‘big deal’ events, you know, newsworthy.
SSL posted this composite of ALL ‘mass’ shooters (4+ in a single incident) in 2019 and I agree, there are plenty of non-white faces in there.
https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mass-shooters-2019.jpg
Hey, nuts come in all colors and styles.
Well, the church bells are calling, police car on fire
And as they call you to the eye of the storm
All the people say, “Stay at home tonight”
I say we are the pigs, we are the swine
We are the stars of the firing, of the firing line
And as the smack cracks at your window
You wake up with a gun in your mouth
Oh, let the nuclear wind blow away my sins
And I’ll stay at home in my house
I say we are the pigs, we are the swine
We are the stars of the firing
We are the pigs, we are the swine
We are the stars of the firing, of the firing line
We are the pigs, we are the swine
We are the stars of the firing
But deceit can’t save you so
Oh, oh, oh, oh
We all watch them burn
Oh, oh, oh, oh
We all watch them burn
Oh, oh, oh, oh
We all watch them burn
Oh, oh, oh, oh
We all watch them burn
We all watch them
We all watch them
We all watch them burn
Watch them burn
Read more: Suede – We Are The Pigs Lyrics | MetroLyrics
“Crime In The City (Sixty To Zero Part 1)”
Well, the cop made the showdown
He was sure he was right
He had all of the lowdown
From the bank heist last night
His best friend was the robber
And his wife was a thief
All the children were killers
They couldn’t get no relief
The bungalow was surrounded
When a voice loud and clear
Said, Come on out
with your hands up
Or we’ll blow you out of here.
There was a face in the window
The TV cameras rolled
Then they cut to the announcer
And the story was told.
—–
There’s still crime in the city,
Said the cop on the beat,
I don’t know if I can stop it
I feel like meat on the street
They paint my car like a target
I take my orders from fools
Meanwhile some kid
blows my head off
Well, I play by their rules
That’s why I’m doin’ it my way
I took the law in my hands
So here I am in the alleyway
A wad of cash in my pants
I get paid by a ten year old
He says he looks up to me
There’s still crime in the city
But it’s good to be free.
Yeah.
Now I come from a family
That has a broken home
Sometimes I talk to Daddy
On the telephone
When he says that he loves me
I know that he does
But I wish I could see him
I wish I knew where he was
But that’s the way
all my friends are
Except maybe one or two
Wish I could
see him this weekend
Wish I could walk in his shoes
But now I’m doin’ my own thing
Sometimes I’m good, then I’m bad
Although my home has been broken
It’s the best home I ever had
Yeah.
Re: Gun violence & mass shootings
Forget trying to wrest the weapons from the gun community’s ‘cold, dead hands”. However, if ammunition was targeted, a result (of some sort) might be achieved.
Firstly – make it compulsory to register as an ‘ammunition user’ and log every purchasewith ID;
Secondly – tax the heck out of it – make it really expensive
Yes, this will create a black market, so a whole new source of profits for the entreprenuerial class!
How much ammo does the average, in self defense gun owner need. Target practice by a few, but like Barney Fife, one bullet is enough. Unless you are in a war zone like Chicago.
Ammo should be expensive and highly taxed, and also for the projectiles, casings and powder for the people who make their own.
The average Joe does not need a bunch of bullets, but a shooter does.
Maybe track large purchases of ammo. As a screen for potential shooters.
Bullshit I shoot several times a month.
Why own firearms unless you train with them?
I blow through at least 500 rounds a month.
Great – so pay the crazy taxes as proposed. Thanks for supporting the non-crazy gun owners who don’t want their favorite dick-substitutes confiscated!
Hey – your twisted 2nd amendment rights are not infringed! There’s nothing about ammunition in the Bill of Rights is there?
Certainly nothing about hollow-point rounds of 50unit magazines.
So you believe the founding fathers guaranteed the right “to bear arms” with the intent that it was OK to outlaw ammunition for those arms? An interesting and original take on the 2d Amendment. Be sure and e-mail that idea to AOC, she’ll probably raise the point on the House floor. LOL
Majella, the Constitution doesn’t mention the Internet, either. So clearly the First Amendment doesn’t apply to any electronic-based speech or expression?
There were no trains, planes, autos in the 18th century, and they’re not mentioned in the Constitution, so 4th doesn’t apply in these instances?
2A isn’t a right to keep and bear arms. That right already existed. 2A says the government can’t infringe upon it by, say, denying you ammunition.
hmuller
The wording of the 2nd amendment is all about “well regulated militia”:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
There’s nothing about any right to carry a concealed weapon wherever you go. The States have variously interpreted these words and what a mess it is.
The Times Square incident last night is a bit of an eye-opener though. There was nop sudden surge of ‘good guys with guns’ jumping forward to protect the innocent. In fact, any ‘good guy with a gun’ would have looked like any ‘active shooter’ and would likely have ended up eating police lead.
>>> The wording of the 2nd amendment is all about “well regulated militia”:
A prefatory clause is just that, and doesn’t change the operating clause of 2A. This was already ruled upon by SCOTUS. Americans have an individual right to keep and bear arms.
>>> There’s nothing about any right to carry a concealed weapon wherever you go.
There’s nothing there about your right to post on this forum, either. So I guess you’d have no problem if Dems declare online speech unlawful?
>>> The Times Square incident last night is a bit of an eye-opener though. There was nop sudden surge of ‘good guys with guns’ jumping forward to protect the innocent.
And just how would that even be possible in a city that doesn’t permit lawful civilian firearm ownership? You do realize that NYC has been sued, and it’s at the Supreme Court’s doorstep. The contempt that NYC has shown the Supreme Court is unmatched anywhere in the nation. They delay or just flat out ignore SCOTUS rulings they don’t like or agree with.
Just school marm it out of existence. Not illegal: just so difficult that the whole thing becomes pointless. The above post is the work of a demonic feminine mind.
And under the laws that are being proposed, every jilted or disappointed girlfriend or wife would be able to complain about her Lothario as being “dangerous”. As you know, hating men is a full time occupation for the average woman under the present System. And even under a healthy one, it’s a part time job for women. Always and everywhere.
>>> The average Joe does not need a bunch of bullets, but a shooter does.
Specious reasoning. An average Joe that is being attacked doesn’t need a bunch of bullets? Actually they need even more bullets than police do. Civilians don’t have as many opportunities to use and practice. Ammo and range time isn’t paid for by taxpayers. Any professional trainer will explain to you what happens during an attack, how your body floods with adrenaline, your vision narrows, your hands shake, etc. Police train to mitigate these effects.
>>> Maybe track large purchases of ammo. As a screen for potential shooters.
So you want to flag citizens for purchasing the ammo they would need to train to avoid the above? So basically you want to pass a law that would discourage lawful gun owners from training?
This is really simple, folks: come up with laws that target criminals—not lawful civilians. Stop contemplating laws that would simply turn lawful citizens into criminals.
Katyusha Rockets
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWt81vhIyY
From my readings, it appears that the key to getting soldiers to fight is to convince them that they’ve got nothing to live for and/or that they’re not getting out alive anyway such that they actually look forward to death.
I think that we’re basically there….
According to the book “Dreamland”, the deranged heroin addicts would shop lift merchandise from the local WalMart to barter for black tar heroin from the Mexican Xalisco drug dealers whose business model depends upon a very porous border so that drugs and Mexican teenagers can travel freely across the US to sell smack to white middle class teenage kids. The old white blokes working as “Greeters” at the WalMart look the other way to the shoplifting because they don’t have a stake in the outcome. I bet that on the day of the shooting that a heroin addict was eyeing merchandise in the WalMart while the obese shoppers stuffed their fat faces with Hot Pockets and Tacos?
And then after the shooting the idiot propagandist reporters show up to try to flog the tragedy to boost their TV ratings. The people seize upon the death as a way to give meaning to their vacuous, purposeless lives while they stuff their faces with cheese crust filled pizza and high fructose corn syrup Big Gulps in front of the TV.
Beto pontificates: “Trump did this! This is not who we are!”
Unfortunately Beto, it is who were are. We are the barbarians.
“Hot Pockets and Tacos?”
Puck,
Why are you conflating Hot Pockets with Tacos? Hot pockets are an unhealthy abomination, sure to provide for late life diabetes, obesity, and probably insipient child molestation.
Tacos, however, seem benign by comparison…
You rarely see a fat Mexican….
What if all that white Millennial males had to look forward to is living in their mom’s basement while their regressed mentally-teenage mom’s fuck a bunch of serial boyfriends? What is the name of that weird new age middle-aged chick who is a Democratic candidate running for POTUS? She “won” the last debate….
She “won” the last debate because a very high percentage of the pathetic viewing audience identifies with her psychosis. True story…. Identity Politics….
I can’t tell if it’s more horrifying than funny, or more funny than horrifying?
she struck a note that resonated with a wide variety of people when she called out racism for what it is:
“This is the dark underbelly of American society — the racism, the bigotry. The entire conversation that we’re having here tonight – if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I’m afraid the Democrats are going to see some very dark days.”
A new genre of movie: The Horror Comedy….
“The Jeffrey Epstein Show”, live from Little St. James Island.
The Lolita Express lands on Little St. James and a little Asian midget runs out to greet the plane shouting: “The Plane! The Plane!”
Pete Buttigieg has a blond female midget with big tits wearing dark sunglasses and in a wheel chair working for Pete and Chaz’s campaign.
The Pope remarks: “Holy Fuck’n Shit!”
Okay, racism is inherent to the human experience. Ethnocentrism and xenophobia are problems with all societies. Other countries deal with them by expelling the outsiders, or never letting them in.
For once, I would like to see the demographics. Exactly how many White Supremacists actually exist in the US. Charlottesville was a magnet propaganda gathering for all those White Supremacists on the East Coast and wow they got a few hundred folks to show up. If the fool Antifa had just not shown up, there never would have been a “Charlottesville”, the WS would have spouted their vitriol, nobody would have listened and they would have gone home. End of story.
By the way, who were the real racists there, the real hate mongers. Both sides. The WS are just not hypocritical about it.
So exactly how many of the Whites in America are racist? The IDed WS definitely. But beyond that. How really Deep is the problem? And how deep is the problem on the other side? Are BLM and associated folks just as racist? Hell yes!
You listen to the Dems and the entire conservative side is racist. That is a contrived bunch of crap. Think about it a second. What are the Dems? A worn out party with no ideas that has to fan the opposing flames of racism and bigotry to maintain power in DC. And they are White racists. They hate everyone. Look at the Dem controlled areas of the US. They are all shitholes with excess homelessness, crime, dirty streets, high drug usage and decaying infrastructure. Do these areas look like the polity cares about the folks. Heck no.
The Dems are the source of divide and conquer racism in the country, period.
HRC, your time is approaching to make your comeback.
John, “Their vitriol”. So much for his new leaf of being pro-White. As if Whites don’t have the right to organize and advocate on their own behalf like Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, American Indians, India Indians, etc.
The problem in the US isn’t “Racism”, but rather “Anomie”, right?
“Racism” is a red herring. Read the book “Dignity”. It’s a story about Anomie, not racism….
Also read Chris Hedges’s book “America: The Farewell Tour”. It’s a story of Anomie, not Racism.
They just blindly shout “Racism” largely because it makes them feel better and deluges them into thinking that they understand what’s going on. It saves them from having to look into the Mirror.
makes them feel better and deluges them into thinking… – Puck
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I’m going to assume you meant deludes
As usual, I think Hedges is onto something there.
You are a Wise and Silly Man. The fool on the hill.
I reserve the right to chase any thrown bones at my discretion.
Just make sure the bones are raw and not chicken or you might choke on them or worse perforated bowel issues!
The media seems to have buried the Shooter’s Manifesto?
His ideas seem to represent a bizarre admixture of Right and Left eclecticism. Some ideas are Far Right White Nationalist, while other ideas seem to represent Leftist environmentalism + pro-Universal Basic Income. He works his way through various ideas and then concludes that the only way that Universal Basic Income will work and in order to save the environment, we need to pare the number of people. Then he immediately switches to what weapons he intends to use. Weird….
He shot up a WalMart. Maybe the target wasn’t Mexicans, but Mexicans shopping at Walmart? He targeted corporations, consumerism, and immigration in one go as per his Manifesto. I don’t know if it’s horrifying or funny?
The manifesto was sane and lucid – dare I say it, articulate even. The act was just self-defeating, unless he really just wanted to end his current misery and explore new depths of it behind bars. In that case, he got his wish.
The manifesto was sane and lucid – dare I say it, articulate even. – Scratch
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This was my first thought. You don’t find many 21 year olds who are this articulate.
Now I will be vilified for missing the point.
So you agree with it then? If not, why not? Show your work. Contrast his position with that of Founding Fathers – who were Revolutionaries. Or is Peace the only value, with nothing worth fighting for, ever.
The owner of 8chan – now displatformed – said that the shooter is not the same person who loaded the manifesto. He doesn’t go into details about what he thinks this means. Furthermore, he emphasizes that he cooperated fully with the investigation, yet has been given no credit for his cooperation by his service provider who is intent of virtue display.
clown world.
I went to the police chiefs talk last night.
she wears jewelry.
she can afford it.
pay–Id guess 200-400k/yr and fat retirement.
>>> The media seems to have buried the Shooter’s Manifesto?
Of course; doesn’t fit the narrative that Trump and Trump alone is directly responsible for the shooting.
At least they quoted relevant parts of it, even if they then went on to dismiss what he wrote and conclude their own motives to fit their agenda.
Leftist Ideology is basically Open Borders so as to let everybody in, but then exterminate them so as to stop Climate Change to save the planet, right? Something for everyone?
Well, at least we’re not talking about what a craphole Baltimore is anymore. Last week 70 were shot in Chicago; heard anything about it?
Brh
Sale of AR style weapons was banned in Ct about 5 years ago as a result of the school massacre in Newtown. If you already had one you could keep it. So imagine my surprise earlier in the summer when I went into a redneck sporting goods shop west of here to buy bait and ice and in a rack on the wall was a whole row of what looked like M4s and AR15s. “What gives”, I asked the owner. So he took a few down and showed them to me, one was a bolt action rifle on an AR platform, rendering it legal, another, resembling an M4, was a semi auto but it took 9mm rounds, not .223, with a short barrel and a detachable stock was being sold as a pistol, not an assault rifle. All perfectly legal, which leads me to believe even if there is a national ‘assault rifle’ ban, manufacturers will find a way to get around it.
Brh
Great point. Laws are meant to be broken and/or circumvented, especially if there’s money in doing so.
It’s not exactly a secret anymore; “common sense” gun laws for Dems is a total ban on all lawful civilian firearm ownership. Nevermind that it’s been tried in other nations and they still have rape, murder, mass murder, children killed in schools, etc.
Biden seems to think Australia has all the answers. Here’s a mass stabbing last year. Here’s eight children killed in a mass stabbing in 2014. Oh and here’s a mass shooting in 2019—in the nation that has allegedly solved its gun violence issues.
Because it’s about control not safety.
Democrats don’t care if it makes sense or even solves a problem they want everyone on their version of the plantation.
Total control of all facets of your life cradle to grave.
Howdy Marlin, Thanks for the heads -up on the Brit Jam, sounds like a good time. My wife is on vaca next week so I’m outta town. I picked up a Rem R-15 at Cabelas before CT changed the laws. Now a MA resident can’t even buy ammo in CT without permission from the CT Statties.
For your reference:
“Hot Pockets is an American brand of microwaveable turnovers and a pocket burrito generally containing one or more types of cheese, meat, or vegetables. Hot Pockets was founded by the Chef America Inc. company. Since April 20, 2002, they have been produced by Nestlé.“
How could somebody eat this?
I think that in the underclass black inner city housing projects, the single parent teenage girls cook “Hamburger Helper”. It’s a kind of moral and spiritual degradation.
Isn’t April 20th Hy Tyler’s birthday?
Used to eat the shit out of them damn things when I was working night shifts in the military. Pure crap food, especially when you combine them with beer after shift late at night/early in the morning, but it’s what we had at the time. You’re off base thinking this is just ghetto food, though. I always associated them with pure trailer park trash food, with no racial barriers, implied or actual.
Self contained hot sandwich a great idea for the grab and go society or latch key kids.
Shame the nutritional content is akin to cardboard minus the cardboards obvious fiber value.
I’ve never heard of a ‘hot pocket’, but Cornish miners back in the 19th century used to eat a ‘self-contained hot sandwich’ that their families brought to them at lunch time to the mines. They were (and are) called Cornish pasties. According to legend (don’t know if it’s true) the pastry wasn’t even for eating – it was just to keep their dirty hands away from the meat and potatoes inside. It was all proper food, though.
https://www.history.com/news/miners-delight-the-history-of-the-cornish-pasty
So not just for grab and go or latch key kids. Seems there was even a Cornish pasty diaspora to over your way. Of course, modern sedentary workers don’t need the calories that a miner needed back then.
““Hot Pockets is an American brand of microwaveable turnovers”
Puck,
Heard one comedian comment…”Now they are making vegetarian hot pockets, for those vegans who, too, would like to experience diarrhea….”
“…: this is exactly what you get in a culture where anything goes and nothing matters….”
That translates out to the typical GOP argument for deregulation, get the guv’mint off my back, rape the earth, poison the air and water, set up your fracking rig on the nunnery grounds, no background checks, who cares, anything goes, more profits! more NINJA mortgages, more profits! drill baby drill. No rules? Just right!
And the GOP tells us they’re the good guys. Gimme a fucking break.
rotflol
It figures that is all you get out of that statement seek help parrot.
Let’s see.
The government costs 10 times the amount to do anything, has ripped off the American people since WW2, created the mortgage fiasco that made 2008 by enabling Fannie Mae to give away mortgages. Then the Libs have had the White House half the time since 1990 and have done nothing more than the GOP to correct or even improve your other items.
You want to blame something that has cause the inaction of the Feds, blame the entire Deep State, not just your favorite whipping boy.
More from the insane liberal unintended consequences category:
In the mad rush to make packaging biodegradable some of those bowls being used have direct links to cancer!
There are new concerns that the bowls used at Chipotle restaurants may be linked to cancer. The New Food Economy said it found the fiber bowls are exposed to chemicals that can lead to cancer. A study said the bowls are treated with PFAs that are also called forever chemicals
Save the planet and go the way of Farrah Fawcett colon cancered to death. Pretty grim way to go for a pretty lady.
More trouble for the fast food chain.
Another one:
A new study concludes men don’t like to carry reusable shopping totes out of fear it feminizes them!
While shopping at my local VONS I bought three plastic bags and had the thought how is me paying .10 cents a bag going to stop a sea turtle from ingesting this now banned bag.
Banned but wait I can still get them I just now have to pay for them.
How does this new California law do anything but penalize people on limited budgets?
The law is the essence of racism and classism!
Charging ten cents a bag is a symbolic measure, nothing more. It makes some people feel good about themselves. It makes some people say, see, we’re doing something for the environment.
But it’s like real estate companies cutting down forests to build mega-homes and insisting on their employees recycling soda cans.
If you ask that people take more than symbolic measures, they won’t do it, simple as that, especially the ones that shout the loudest.
“How does this new California law do anything but penalize people on limited budgets?”
I know you want to put down any attempt to do anything, guys, but you actually find (in normal countries anyway) that the use of single-use bags drops by about 85-90% with the introduction of a charge (which in this country mostly goes to charitable causes as well).
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/05/drop-in-plastic-bags-littering-british-seas-linked-to-introduction-of-5p-charge
“A UK levy of 5p per bag introduced in 2015 has already reduced single-use plastic bags given out by major retailers by 85% – down from 140 to 25 bags for the average person each year.
And the UK is pretty rubbish compared to some other European countries.
I know it’s really annoying an’ all, but it actually works (like I said, in normal countries). There is, of course a problem with the multiple-use ones as well, depending on what they’re made of (you can get canvas ones of course), since you might have the same quantity of plastic, just bought less often, but that can depend on the person too.
Since starting to use them, I’ve never yet had to throw one out. Three of the ones I have I bought in a French supermarket in 2006 and they still accommodate all our recycled metal and plastic 13 years later. I don’t see anything happening to them in the next 13 years either.
Naysayers can be a pain in the neck. Reducing the number of single-use bags isn’t going to halt climate change or cure cancer. It’s going to reduce the number of sodding single-use bags in the environment. Sorry if that’s a totally useless thing in your eyes, but that’s your problem.
And my corner shop has converted to biodegradable ones, without being forced to, which is nice when you occasionally have to make an unplanned purchase, and they’re also actually useful sometimes for other purposes. Mind you, all ‘single-use’ bags that I’ve had have been used to destruction as well. I’ve no idea what kind of person throws away a plastic bag after one use.
BAU plods on mercilessly. Back in the USA after pleasant trip to England and Wimbledon, I have neglected my doom habit and appreciate this week’s offering. The crux of the matter is meaninglessness–vivid purposelessness as well described. However, a NEW dispensation of things is more than hard to imagine……
I saw the following future prediction on the immaculate grounds of Wimbledon:
“Welcome to the year 2030”
“Come in and experience a more sustainable Wimbledon
This morning you were woken by the sun rising indoors-your smart home lighting up every room. The coffee was already brewing and the bread almost baked.
Your AI assistant read out your schedule for the day as you got dressed, with your favourite music playing in the background. You took a shower using recycled grey water, filtered with energy from the solar panels that power everything in your home.
There were no traffic jams as you made your way to Wimbledon this morning, because everything moved with the precise synchronisation of autonomous vehicles.”
That is not my view of the Year 2030. When we will these sport mega extravaganzas fade into irrelevance? Will the NFL still be selling tickets in 2030?
Sounds like a version of new age hell.
“Welcome to the year 2030” – RocketDoc
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Late in the year 2030 (Nov.) I will be 90 years old and I expect my ashes will be hanging from a hook inside the pyramid I built in 2014, right next to my brother’s. Therefore I probably won’t be enjoying the Wimbledon experience you describe.
You know your state of health. But I think you’ve got a shot. I think you’re from the right demographic cohort.
You probably remember back in the day when average life expectancy wasn’t even 70 and you probably remember the hoopla when it finally crossed that threshold. I think it was around the year 1970.
When half the population were expected to expire in their 50s and 60s the choices in life were different. You look at the prospect of college and a four year degree and a third of your life is bloody over before you’ve even set foot outside a classroom. Get a masters degree? Another two years?
A lot of guys were anxious to live life and so I saw a lot of people finish high school or even quit after tenth grade and get a job (this was back when jobs paid a living wage). It was common to see people in their early 20s married, with kids. Not today. I had a friend that got married at 18. By the time he was 20 he had two kids. And he was able to support that family working in a warehouse.
I think that with the on-going degradation of people’s health, average life expectancy will keep going down. You no doubt heard it’s already declining especially in fly-over places.
A hook? Why? It seems wrong, somehow…..
Death is a time of rest. Death be not proud. Humus or Humility time. Yet you want to hang instead…..
Oh god, am I ever tired of you stupid, ignorant lemmings who’ve lacked the courage to look into yourself, to challenge face-on the adolescent emotionalism that has brought on this cultural scourge against what truly is Western Culture’s exceptional civilizing accomplishments. Instead, as quoted in this piece, note the written gratitude of W. E. B. Du Bois’ toward Western Culture; essentially a recognition that though submersion into it was accessed through slavery the merits of what it bestowed is worth whatever price, not just as individuals but for all who’ve enjoined its wealth of advantage over other cultures.
You dumb s**ts are destroying the best opportunity humanity has been fated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIpRC9cSUc
Just watching the protestors in Dayton. The “Baby Trump” balloon is there.
Now, either every hill and dale has a “Baby Trump” balloon or some bigger group is moving it from place to place as the situation warrants. The resistance is organized.
The Dem party, especially the Progressive wing is the most deadly enemy the USA has ever faced. If I had to fight an enemy of the nation, the Dems are no.1, far ahead of NOKO, Iran or China.
The title is different now. It used to be The Democratic Party of the United States of America. It is now the Democratic Socialist Party, International.
Under the wise leadership of Hillary Clinton and her foreign policy it’ll soon to be known as National Socialist Party of America, or simply Nazis.
No offense to Janos or SSL.
No it won’t. You’re conflating two different things that you don’t like to create one super boogie man. A common tactic. Like John calling everything he doesn’t like “fascist” be it far Left or far Right.
And John sez:
The far Left and Right is what is wrong. Together they are the Deep State’s vanguard. I am opposed to the Deep State in all ways.
If I could change something to try to fix the Deep State, I would uproot Washington, DC from Maryland to Kansas City, Stone by Stone and hold a national election with all the incumbents ineligible for re-election. Put in term limits.
No, the Deep State is demonizing White Nationalism – also known as National Socialism or Fascism. So you’re wrong. Conservatism is just floppy milk toast, an old dog that just follows the strong – unless it is one of these. As it is, Conservatism follows the Left, the approved Philosophy for the Masses. That the Elite themselves are Plutocratic Oligarchs doesn’t seem to bother the talking heads very much. The Antifa know but they are their lackeys so it’s a pretty absurd situation.
You dumb s**ts are destroying the best opportunity humanity has been fated. – Cave
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Use 38 mins of your life to watch/listen to this YouTube.
He was an early Communist who would be thrilled at the progress of the subversion of our Civilization. It’s only good from their pov if Whites can be gotten rid of as such. An occasional White is alright as long as they are open to marrying a non-White. In no time at all, no Whites at all. Amazing how that works.
It’s not Magic, just Math.
Yes, its repeat of a prior post but against the shrill of persisting, unfounded hysteria it warrants repeat:
Oh, Mr. Kaepernick, your ancestral blood line would most likely not have survived had it not been made captive by African tribes warring with one another to obtain captives to be sold in the slave market.
Yes, when your forbears ended up in America life in sub-Saharan Africa was — now get this – much more savage than what was the general experience of slaves in America.
Now take a deep breath; except for Western Culture (White Europeans, essentially) none of the advantages enjoyed by you and known collectively as “the modern world” would exist. Already, at the time when your forbears remained “slaves”, the strides of Western Culture’s advances were such as to make life of even slaves in America measurably better than that of life ordinary elsewhere.
Yep, so even back then they were the beneficiaries of “White privilege”, just as today anyone living in a Westernized society is, by default of fateful outcome, beneficiary of White privilege.
Your “take a knee” protest is emblematic of nothing but historic irony. The entire panoply of its staging puts contradiction to its aimed point. Much the same as the fact that James Baldwin’s prose exist only by dependence upon Western literary form.
Then too, jazz would not have evolved except that certain plantation owners recognized talent and taught choice of their slaves the Western canon of musical scripting and scoring.
You see, labor management has always followed the same standards across all cultures through time: keep cost to a minimum while capitalizing upon recognizable gift possessed by individuals.
That’s how you ended up in the “draft”, not different from how key operatives in all economies vie for top talent just as plantation owner’s wanted to be known as having the most polished and sophisticated plantation bourgeois Negros (so classed were often better dressed, fed and housed than off plantation poor Whites, referenced as “White Trash” by this bourgeois slave class).
Now, as for the proposal for “reparations” now being considered in Congress,…….
— Knock, knock
— Who is there?
— It’s me, Peter Strzok, soon to head the FBI department to combat “white supremacy”
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/06/politics/peter-strzok-sues-back-pay-job-trump/index.html
To make the irony complete, he should head the “unfaithful spouses” crime unit.
I grew up a white nationalist. We never blamed ourselves for mass shootings like El Paso.
My white nationalist family thought we weren’t culpable for violence committed by lone wolf racists. But we weren’t guiltless. And neither is Trump.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/07/el-paso-shooting-white-supremacy-donald-trump-column/1933421001/
“We have been in an era of white nationalist violence for years. Growing up among the leadership of the white nationalist movement, there was a routine every time reports of a new act of mass violence ticked across cable news. We would hope the attackers were not white, and, if so, that they did not espouse our ideology. When they often did, the national fallout and blame could last for weeks.
“Ultimately, accepting that we were not guiltless when we condemned whole swaths of the American population, and threw up our hands when a lone wolf took our rhetoric to violent ends, was a major part of what led me to condemn and speak out against the white nationalist movement in 2013 at the age of 22.
“Today, the president and his followers are in a similar position to mine back then, advocating an anti-immigrant worldview and absolving myself of responsibility for violent acts in the world that used my ideology. All of us must recognize that our words have consequences.”
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Read the whole thing. R. Derek Black is the son of the founder of Stormfront and godson of David Duke. The story of how he changed his mind, once he actually encountered and engaged with the people he was trained from birth to hate and demonize, is told in Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a White Power Nationalist.
Oh, and Exscotticus, now you can explain why Donald Trump isn’t part of the problem when this guy, who knows the white-power world from as deep inside as it gets, says he is. And don’t get cute by making it about “legal responsibility” when you’re well aware that his responsibility is political and moral.
I heard a rumor.
Trump is going to run for God next year. He is responsible for everything it seems so he might as well get the job tile.
Your logic is flawed. Because someone believes that the US culture is the best and should be preserved at all cost, does not mean that he/she wants only White folks to participate. Just that the non-white folks respect the culture and participate and support it. And not try to overthrow it.
White Nationalist. White Supremacist
White Nationalist. Someone that is White, whatever that is, and believes that the American culture is the best and should be the basis for the country. A White Supremacist believes that the White way, again whatever that is, is the only allowable culture and no other sub-cultures are permitted.
Both beliefs are just as permissible in the US as long as the practitioners are within the law. Just as permissible as Black Lives Matter or La Raza or CAIR.
Anything goes in this country. These nuts who shoot up the place are aimed for their destiny by forces that no one is responsible for, no one except them selves. If Trump is at fault for inspiring ElPaso, Elizabeth Warren is just as at fault for Dayton. Or Obama for Sandy Hook, or the Charleston church massacre.
Tell me one single thing that The President, the governor, the mayor could have done to prevent the myriad of shootings that have happened. Who do you blame, all the above? Your hate of Trump is showing.
>>> Oh, and Exscotticus, now you can explain why Donald Trump isn’t part of the problem when this guy, who knows the white-power world from as deep inside as it gets, says he is.
LOL. So the rule is that if I find an “insider” who claims to share the same beliefs as my political opponents, then anything they say in this regard is true?
How about we stick to facts and not straw men fantasies? Show us a direct quote from Trump—in context—in support of white supremacy. Did you not hear Trump the other day condemn white supremacy? He’s done so many times, but the Left has such selective hearing…
I saw him read some lines off a Teleprompter with all the sincerity of a paper doll.
I also saw him one time speaking in his own words, not from a Teleprompter. He referred to “very fine people on both sides” of the race rally in Charlottesville where a woman was murdered by being rammed with a car driven by a white supremacist. This is all the confirmation an honest and rational person needs. If you tell me that’s not the case, then your trying to tell me it’s raining when I can see you pissing on my leg.
>>> He referred to “very fine people on both sides” of the race rally in Charlottesville where a woman was murdered by being rammed with a car driven by a white supremacist.
That’s been debunked as fake news bullshit so many times that I can only assume you’re deliberately being willfully ignorant. But thatnks for giving me the opportunity to quote massive sections of it!
Who are the people on both sides of this quote fragment? Did you ever bother to actually read or listen to the quote in context to find out?
Here’s the full text…
Reporter: “The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest –”
Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”
Reporter: “George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.”
Trump: “George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down — excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?”
Reporter: “I do love Thomas Jefferson.”
Trump: “Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
“So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
“Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.”
Reporter: “Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying.”
Trump: “No, no. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people — neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.
“But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest — because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country — a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.
So who are these “very fine people on both sides”? He’s quite clear: the ones who were peacefully protesting. Some wanted to take down the statues; some didn’t. And who were the bad people? He’s quite clear: the violent ones on both sides.
“White nationalist”? Are you referring to citizens who oppose open borders, self-declared sanctuary cities/counties/states, but rather hope to preserve the exclusivity of citizen privilege, preservation of national sovereignty, rule of law?
Yep, that is them!
John, we’re fine with other cultures – just not within our borders. We even admire some – like the Japanese for example. Hint: They don’t want other cultures within their borders either. No sane or healthy culture does.
To the extent such diversity exists, to that extent there is heterogeneity, diversity, disharmony, and weakness.
Indian Reservations? Like black moles on the face of an otherwise beautiful White girl.
Huge barrios and ghettos in all of our major cities? A full blown cancer. The Black South where they dominate whole counties? Prognosis terminal without immediate amputation.
Marcus Garvey, echoing Jefferson and Lincoln, want Blacks to go back to Africa. Amputation.
Booker T Washington wanted separation. His view dominated for a long time.
W.B Dubois represents the “new” Leftist position that has come to the fore: The Cancer takes over the formerly White Body. Can the Body live? Who cares? It no longer has anything to do with Us. We may be officially tolerated for a time, but in reality, we will be viciously persecuted right from the beginning. It will only get worse as time goes by.
Really?
I haven’t read of any children of Black Panthers apologize for their parents murderous spree in the 1960s. Have you ?
In fact its just the opposite; recently an ass sucking docu was released abour the Panthers. Its seems it doesn’t work both ways, only one way.
Brh
Oh please. Your insights are so powerful YOU should have your own blog.
He’s s a scoundrel. A turncoat who betrayed his Father and his People just to get in good with the “right people” – the People in Power. The Left.
Do Black killers of YT [Whitey] ever feel guilt?
What crimes has David Duke committed?
Note to the clueless–1 in 4 Black male yuffs is a felon.
I assume yuffs are youfs?
“I assume yuffs are youfs?”
Yutes, Q…yutes.
You guys can go on till you’re blue in the face about gun control. It can’t work. Perhaps you already forgot about this whacko in Japan
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/world/asia/japan-fire-animation-studio.html. This kook in El Paso could of done the same thing w/ gasoline. Take it from me you would rather take a shot to the noggin then be burned to death. Guns are not the problem. Before the 1934 NFA Act you could get a Thompson Submachine gun at Sears and Roebuck no questions asked. I can’t think of many mass killings at the time except for maybe some gangsters that probably had it coming anyway. In fact Earnest Hemingway was quite fond of his Tommy Gun.
https://www.guns.com/news/2013/07/06/the-old-man-and-the-sea-and-his-tommy-gun
Society is broken, plain and simple.
SSL: This page has been taken down: https://www.wnd.com/…/2019/08/mass-shooters-2019.jpg
I wonder why.
Ah of course! I am not surprised at all. We wouldn’t want people to realize that the majority of mass shooters are not even White. Let alone White Nationalists.
A whistleblower is the second Ex-Google type that says that Google tries to manipulate the election procedure in the US. If they are as liberal trending as these two say, maybe they offset the effects of the supposed Russian hacking in 2016.
Seriously, what these guys are saying is that when folks bring up Google inquiries they are slanted to the Left by Google input. As they are responsible for 90% of computer inquisition, the effect of Russia is puny compared to these folks.
Of course, the CEO denied everything.
I think the real deal is,
Just do not believe much of what you read.
Hey, hey, the market is up!
https://www.wnd.com/…/2019/08/mass-shooters-2019.jpg
The Internet Wayback Machine is your friend
Did y’all hear about the 14 shootings over the last weekend in Toronto with 17 people shot? They say it isn’t just one loon going on a rampage but multiple killers in different locations.
But that’s ok, given that it’s Canada this has to be the morally superior way, the natural outgrowth of decades of social engineering designed to inculcate the right mind-set for a diverse, tolerant, non-racist society of immigrants.
There’s a dire need for education, Americans being the most monumentally ignorant people especially about foreigners. And there’s a few inquiring minds that want to know. We’re told that Trump is responsible for the craziness in the US. It’s the greatest, the most towering intellects saying so. So it must be so.
So how is it in Canada? Does anyone know? Is it angry White fellas up there inflicting the madness? Is it White supremacy that makes things tick? Or too much poutine? I don’t know, maybe there’s a harmful interaction between Labatts and maple syrup. I just don’t know.
So does Justin carry the moral burden? Maybe he does. In Canada the Prime Minister is a glorified dictator given the lack of separation of the executive from the legislature. And, as de-facto dictator, Justin could have dealt with the proliferation of gun violence. He has the power after all. But I’m told he’s holding off, grubby politics the main consideration, until after the next election. At least, that’s what I’m hearing. Or maybe surfer-boy is holding off because he doesn’t have a clue.
Oh yeah, then there’s those two nut-bars from Vancouver on the lam. They knocked off that young couple and that old guy. Last seen in the northern woods. What’s THAT all about?
V
Easy, the murder in Toronto is Trump’s fault. If there is nothing any one can do about a situation, just blame it on Trump. Blame everything on Trump.
We are lucky he is strong enough to put up with all the BS that is aimed his way.
I just wish that the President would stop making it rain on New Jersey every damned day! It’s becoming a tropical rain forest!
I figured Trump was going to walk across the Rio Grande while he was there.
Tornado too. The Blowhard can control the very winds!
Riding as a Regulator in the Lincoln County War, and later on the owlhoot trail, Billy the Kid carried a Whitney/Kennedy lever action 44-40 rifle, and a Colt .41 cal Lightening double action revolver. The Whitney/Kennedy is an interesting choice. It looks a lot like the Winchester 73, some people say it was better than the Winchester 73. It was made in Eli Whitney’s plant in Hamden, Ct. The Colt Lightening was the first successful American double action revolver — the shooter simply squeezed the trigger to rotate the cylinder, cock the hammer, and release the hammer to fire the .41 cal cartridge. For fast, aimed follow up shots — and that was exactly what the Kid needed — it was the hot gun for its day.
Brh
attack on the train. one of the teen attackers brought her baby along for the joy ride.
“Never trust a woman or an automatic pistol” — John Dillinger
Needless to say, Dillinger was a S&W revolver afficionado.
Brh
Auto in hand trumps revolver in pants.
I just had to pop back in to say that apparently the left along with the MSM subconsciously really wants to lose to Trump again. Either that or they’re addicted to shooting themselves in the collective foot.
It’s no wonder they gave Drudge hell for posting the El Paso murderer’s manifesto. There are several reasons, but I think the main one is that he made it clear that he had held his views before Trump ran for President. That didn’t fit the narrative of the talking points that they knew they were going to use in the coming days, and that is Trump is almost if not entirely to blame for El Paso. Many voters are not crazy about Trump’s language on Hispanics, but most aren’t going to go as far as blame him for that loser sitting in an El Paso jail right now. I’m sure the MSM and DNC are going to end up wishing that he had been killed, for obvious reasons.
And of course you barely hear a peep about the Dayton shooter who killed nine people in 30 seconds. If he had made it into that bar the count would’ve been as high or higher than El Paso. He was an Elizabeth Warren supporter and hated Trump. A self described socialist. So should Liz be blamed? Well, by their convoluted logic, yes.
And little Joaquin Castro, Dem Representative of San Antonio dox’d business people on his own donor list who also donated to Trump. He says they must be outed for contributing to Trump who is culpable for El Paso. The should be shamed, in other words. Well it’s backfiring on him, of course. Smooth move Joaquin.
The only thing that will cause Trump to lose in 2020 is a major recession or depression. But the way these fools in the MSM and in the DNC operate they might even manage to lose anyway. The stupidity is mind boggling.
goldpen:
The Dayton shooter “was an Elizabeth Warren supporter and hated Trump. A self described socialist. So should Liz be blamed? Well, by their convoluted logic, yes.”
No, goldpen, it does not compute. Unlike Trump, Liz Warren hasn’t been deliberately drumming up hate & fear among the crazies. Trump is trying for ‘plausible deniability’ and failing.
He’s not LEGALLY responsible, but morally & ethically, he sure as heck is. He gets up on the TV and reads a tele-prompted speech decrying the shooters and ‘white supremacists’, but no-one actually BELIEVES he means it for a second, including his supporters who write off teh ‘politically correct’ homilies as being necessary but ignorable.
I will bet you watch CNN for your news.
JohnAZ
I watch a wide variety of sources, including Fox. I’m curious that you’d make that particular remark in response to that particular post?
See my next. The Leftist MSM has been feeding a line of lies about Trump to the American public since he announced and Fox News Megan Kelly tried to nail him in the first debate.
Yes you made a fair point. The two situations regarding Trump and Warren are not the same.
But my main point still stands I think, and that is too many on the left are going too far making political hay out of this. And there is no doubt that the Dayton shooter is not getting nearly the attention with regards to his background.
I do not like Trump’s language at all. I haven’t liked it long before these murderous events. But I’m not going to go as far as blaming him morally or ethically for the El Paso mass murder. Mainly because the loser shooter himself said his views were formed before Trump even ran. If I remember correctly from the manifesto he was even critical of both Trump and the GOP with regards to immigration. Not going far enough, that is.
I don’t understand you’re mentioning the tele-prompted speech. That’s what every President has mostly done for decades now. Read teleprompters for just about every occasion. One of Obama’s nicknames was President Teleprompter fer crissakes.
Did Trump mean those words he said? Probably not. But those words came after the shooting anyway, so I fail to see the logic here.
How convenient that you’ve created a set of moral rules where Trump can’t win. You denounce him for not publically and explicitly denouncing White Supremacy according to your arbitrary timetable. And when he does publically and explicitly denounce White Supremacy, as he has time and again, you claim he doesn’t really mean it. No win scenario.
But what you can’t show is a single quote where Trump is promoting White Supremacy. Not one.
I think the Dem gestapo is breaking down due to the discord between the POTUS candidates. Every one is running open loop.
Trump did not lie about the illegal immigrants from Mexico, ever. Or even exaggerate.
He called them, rapists, drug dealers, and some of them are good people. They have been calling him a racist ever since.
Now, we have coyotes who are documented rapists, we have the cartels pouring over the border with drugs, we have MS 13 thugs crossing the border, we have human trafficking documented crossing the border.
Why did the Deep State immediately condemn him as a racist and xenophobic?
Because they are behind all the bad stuff happening and he is exposing them.
Every thing that has been said about him in the Dem list of adjectives is a fabricated lie. That is why all the Dem attempts at getting to him fail. And will continue to fail.
Because
From his Manifesto, the El Paso Shooter seems to have been influenced by Andrew Yang’s ideas about the likely devastating effect of AI and robotics on the US labor market and Yang’s proposed palliative of Universal Basic Income (“UBI”). For some strange reason, the Shooter seems to see Mexican immigrants as standing in the way of the Universal Basic Income, and, therefore, had to be literally taken out. Why did the Shooter give a shit about getting $1,000 bucks a month in UBI payments? Most people in the “Alt-Right” seem to view the UBI as a ruse and a soporific to shut people up, like the dole. Weird…. My view of UBI is that it’s likely to end up being basically a subsidy to pay the monthly rent for trailers in mass white trash trailer parks. I read somewhere that Warren Buffet is getting into this business, and that Buffet thinks that white trash trailer parks filled with obese, TV watching, Hot Pocket eating Walmart Shoppers will likely be the future vista of the American Dream, which, despite it’s comical horror, is nevertheless a big step up for Mexican migrants, and likely to be the envy of their campesino village neighbors in Xalisco back home in Mexico. It’s like something out of a horror comedy dystopia movie, like the movie “Night of the Lepus”, or “Frogs”…..
Frogs….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OTaIzBPxtk
Probably among the top 100 Worst Movies Ever Made…
Was it worse than ‘Ants’ with Joan Collins?
I think you mean “Empire of the Ants”, 1977. It’s based on the HG Wells book, but, like so many movies in the ’70s, it looks like shite.
Yeah, Majella, why do films from that era look so lame? Was it the type of film they used? The sound quality in that era wasn’t too good either.
Brh
Crap acting, crap direction, really crappy old cars & clothes?
aUnts? Vally of the she dogs?
Probably among the top 100 Worst Movies Ever Made… – Majella
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I thought Hail Caesar with Geo Clooney was one of the worst I ever saw.
Just checked out the trailer…but a Coen Bros film of only 3 years ago and I’d never heard of it…? Must be a turkey!
I’d agree with you there, Q-Shtik.* I was rendered almost comatose watching ‘Hail Caesar’ and couldn’t have told you what it was about by the end.
Mind you, I didn’t particularly care for ‘Oh brother’ either, although it had a much better reception and made loads of money. I like Alison Krauss, though, so I have some of the soundtrack!
*Having said that I did sit through ‘Heaven’s Gate’ a second time to try to figure out what was going on, so ‘Hail Caesar’ did at least have relative brevity on its side.
GA
“Brother, Where Art Thou?” I think you mean :)?
That is a great movie, IMO. My children loved it even more than me! Great lines like Pappy O’Donnell running for re-election as State Governor arriving at a desolate radio station telling his overweight, thick son and campaign manager – ” Stupid boy! We ain’t ones-n-twosin’ it here now! We’s MASS communicatin’!”
Good analysis of the shooting.
Mike Adams: The AR 15 long gun magazine holds 30 rounds. He has no other magazines on his person. Yet fifty people were shot, twenty fatally. Impossible even if he got one person with every shot, which is hardly likely for even a trained soldier.
There were other shooters. There had to be.
https://www.brighteon.com/6ce05594-5f11-440f-b71f-232e0cfa168c
I would imagine they were on the grassy knoll.
There were eye witnesses who reported multiple shooters. Those initial reports all disappeared on the day of the shooting. Same thing happened in Las Vegas and we still don’t know what happened. But then again that was just a bunch of White country people. I remember how the Left was so silent when that happened. Probably just figured it was a bunch of Trump supporters so good riddance and all. Of course no one said it out loud.
https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/08/conservatives-declare-war-on-white-supremacy/
What do they conserve? Christianity? Our cities? Our infrastructure? The social fabric? America? Nothing.
They are Controlled Opposition. They always have been in our lifetime.
What a bunch of schemers and sellouts! If that is Conservative then I am not. There is no point to being Conservative if the country is lost. We so desperately need a new party altogether.
This looks like a good movie – what they’d really like to do to us:
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/08/07/espn-pulls-trailer-for-movie-where-liberals-hunt-deplorables-for-sport/
That does look like an interesting movie and I believe it is exactly what the Elites want. Though I doubt they would be ready to deal with real life deplorables who enjoy hunting and shooting but perhaps I am not giving them enough credit.
Motorcycle backs up in Times Square. Hundreds flee for their lives. The Media Campaign is working. Hysteria is opportunity. They’re going to get our guns sooner or later. Trump shows every sign of caving. That’s what he does after all.
It all went down Sept 20, 1926, at Antons Cafe, which was part of the Hawthorne Hotel, Al Capone’s headquarters. Capone was sitting down for breakfast with his chief bodyguard Frank Rio when suddenly gunfire erupted from the street. It was Hymie Weiss’s gang, in a caravan of 10 Super 8 Ford Sedans, each car carrying 2 gunmen, slowly rolling by the hotel, raking the cafe with smoking hot Tommy Guns.
Rio and Capone hit the deck. As the last car passed by a gunman jumped out, knelt on the sidewalk, took careful aim, and poured in 50 rounds of hot lead. Suprisingly, Capone and Rio survived.
Its said that after the action kids were running around the street gleefully picking up spent .45 cal shells and empty magazines.
Capone got even about a month later when automatic gunfire broke out as Hymie Weiss left his office atop the Schofield flower shop on State Street with 5 of his gang. All 6 men were killed, Weiss catching a round in the left eye. The gunmen were never caught — Capone saw to that — but a few blocks away police found a still warm Thompson with an empty 50 round magazine.
Those were the days, CFNers.
Brh
In other words, you’re not going to make it to Goat Island to make those all important calculations.
BRH loves this old fashioned violence. No complex moral issues. Or if there were, it’s all under the bridge now. Just good White on White action!
I’m reminded of that Walking Dead episode where the Governor tells a tough guy, “You were right about having to kill everyone in that other group. And if I run things around here, you won’t have to worry about things like that anymore.”
The tough guy was being at once validated and gracefully relieved of a burden he didn’t want, namely the moral question. The Governor would worry about that. And the tough could relax knowing that a guy who shared his worldview and appreciated him would be in charge. The unspoken question was answered with a nod. He would support the Governor’s bid for power when the moment arrived.
Is not our BRH a bit like this perhaps?
Kinda like an urban Wild West scenario. There are no open plains and empty vistas anymore for the most part. They’ve all been paved over, sub divided and installed with all the latest surveillance state gadgets. So the Wild West was taken from us along with our Wild West spirit. You still have a connection to that. Hey you’re a national treasure!!
Missouri arrests hundred of illegals. Make it thousands and promise to continue on with it. Just casually mention that jobs are being freed up by the deportations. Watch the deluge of desperate Whites begin to pour in, eager for a chance at life.
No doubt just a fantasy. The illegals will be freed and almost all will get to stay one way or another. More will continue to pour in, choking the White Body unto death.
I heard about this too and got really excited and then my thoughts basically shifted to the way you’re thinking about it. Watch the ACLU swoop in to protect their rights and their dignity and all that crap. Meanwhile people who just casually skim headlines will think something is really “being done”. But I have to admit I do enjoy day dreaming. Like those thousands you mention become millions and those companies who sold us out get closed down and the executives get to go behind bars for cheating the people out of jobs.
BURN the TEDDY BEARS and SHOOT the CANDLES
“It’s not hard these days to imagine the political animus ratcheting up to something like a new civil war. If it works out that way, it will be the most psychologically confused political event of modern history.”
Yes Jim, a landscape riddled with competing hatreds and ideologies, with an added mixture of narcosis and nihilism, heading towards the Neronian.
No great battle lines will be drawn. The once quite beautiful face of this nation will be pockmarked with pustules of partisans, paranoia
and pot shots. Coyote will be waiting for you.
Enter the Sniper and the Ambush. Let BOLO be your buddy and BUSHIDO be your guide.
Absolutely
Did anybody think it would be an easy and smooth process replacing the historical white majority in the United States?
The Day of the Hyena is upon us.
Assassins, informers, people out to settle personal grievances, slanderers, denouncers, bushwackers, provocatuers, propagandists, adventurers, people looking for the main chance … like Spain in 1936.
Brh
It’s overpopulation, and the demands made by that population on all the resources in the world, which are being used up at an ever increasing rate. It’s been shown that even a perfectly homogenous group of people, when faced with a scarcity of resources, will find ways to split themselves apart, and fight for scarce resources. It’s happened time and again. So consider that issue, and then throw the blanket of problems caused by climate change over the whole thing, and you have a really unpleasant future to look forward to.
Wow you’re exactly right! It’s already really hard to get a homogenous group of people to cooperate in a productive way. Clearly certain philosophies, spritual beliefs, and lifestyles help or hinder such efforts too. But then throw in the mix multiple and diverse groups attempting to live on the same real estate and you have bigger and more complicated problems. And highly overpopulated and disunited societies seem likely to be more vulnerable to extreme events.
Written by a 9-year-old following the Christchurch shooting tragedy:
“She prayed – it wasn’t how I prayed,
He ate – it wasn’t how I ate,
She spoke – it wasn’t my language,
He dressed – it wasn’t how I dressed,
She took my hand – it wasn’t the colour of mine,
He had a family – it wasn’t like my family,
She had a house – it wasn’t like my house,
But when they laughed, it was how I laughed,
And when they cried, it was how I cried,
We are all the same in different ways,
We are one, united.”
Yes, your ideas are about at this level too: that of a well indoctrinated 9 year old girl or a boy being raised as a sissy.
We are one, united.”????? wrong again.
Certainly, if YOU choose not to be.
Your evil nastiness shines through yet again, Janos. What a cunt.
Yep! Isn’t the innocence of a child beautiful. But then you grow up and the big bad world is sadly a very cruel place. And believe it or not, its even made more cruel by people who feign to be children and refuse to see the world for what it really is. Demanding that the world conform to their wishes and urges. And what could be more of a fairy tale wish than “we are one”. Let the times get really hard and we’ll see how that works out. I know its harsh but better to learn while there is still time my child.
Is it true that the Dayton Shooter was a self-proclaimed “Satan Worshipper”?
I mean: You gotta be shit’n me?!
I guess that in a bizarre sort of way that the ubiquitous Anomie in society may have an upside to the extent that the psycho’s can’t cooperate and are largely a one-man-band? Back in the Good-Old-Days when there was not so much Anomie, Devil Worshippers, like Charles Manson, and Reverend Jim Jones, would form charismatic communal killer cults that would perform mass ritual killings. Now, because of all of the Angst in society no one can get along anymore, and because of the Internet, people don’t have to join a psychotic religious cult to bond or to get Pussy which they can now do online. The Anomie keeps ‘em divided.
I just read this article proposing an idea with regards to gun ownership in the US, and I have to say that it is at least interesting. Creative even. I don’t know if it would necessarily work, but it is at least a more interesting proposal than an outright ban or confiscation.
“………I call it the “Military Induction for Licensing, Instruction and Training In Arms” Act — the MILITIA Act for short.
The proposal is simple: Anyone purchasing a gun should be required to enlist for military reserve service, spanning the entire period of their gun ownership.
Under this proposal, being granted a gun license would simultaneously and automatically register you to serve as a reservist in the Armed Forces branch of your choice — it’s that simple. And it should be that simple … because it’s what the framers intended.
Gun advocates tend to talk about the Second Amendment as if it provides the unlimited freedom for any individual to own and carry weapons. The actual language is very different: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed……
…….Making reserve (or active) military service a requirement for gun ownership would ensure that our armed forces has the service pool it needs and deserves. And it’s not as if there aren’t plenty of countries that have some form of compulsory military service.
In fact, around 60 nations have programs requiring mandatory military enlistment for many or all adult males for terms ranging from one month to three years — including some of our President’s favorite countries: Russia, the UAE, North Korea and Israel. The latter two, along with Armenia, Cape Verde, Chad, China, Eritrea, Norway and Sweden, require military service by both men and women.
But this proposal isn’t a turning back of the clock to the days of the draft. It preserves our fundamental goal of having a volunteer armed forces. It just specifies that choosing to own a firearm should be equivalent to deciding to join our nation’s “well-regulated militia.””
The whole article is here:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/opinions/second-amendment-solution-to-gun-violence-yang/index.html
Rather than “Banning Guns”, isn’t “The Answer”, like Marijuana, to “Legalize It”?
I think that George Carlin had similar idea. I recall that George Carlin once proposed to fence off a huge area and fill it with all of the murders, rapists, and psycho’s and to do the same for an adjacent pen filled with similar “Like Minded Individuals”. It is imperative that the 2 groups hate each other, like Democrats and Republicans. Then, you cut a narrow passageway in the fence separating the two psychotic antagonistic groups.
I’ve been advocating this for years goldpen. Nobody cares. All you would have to do is force militias to maintain membership lists and require meeting attendance. Militias would be responsible for policing their own members. That is all it would take. You don’t have to get draconian about it except if you don’t maintain membership in good standing in a registered militia you lose your guns. Fair rules can be made and crazy people will have people to talk to. That would by itself make random shootings rare.
The problem is it can’t be done. If America decided to value a common culture all sorts of zero sum games would have to wind down. People would want to save the fucking bees. Registered militias would be a step in that direction.
The concept is also challenging for most people to understand. Too simple.
I think your idea is more feasible than the writer’s in that article, which is too heavy on federal government involvement. The idea of the Founders in the second amendment was focused on state militias. But we have lost the original concept and practice of state sovereignty. It’s all DC centric now. We’ve all been made by default “citizens of the US, Inc. Corporate HQ in DC which isn’t even a state. I digress…..
Yes, the problem is that it can’t be done. Either your or the other guy’s proposal. The only way it could’ve been done is if it had been done decades ago. Like anything else with regards to “saving the US”, it’s too late.
Have militias do the social mitigation. The other author does not get how easy it would all be to do; and how willing militias would be to do the work. It would not cost taxpayers a dime. Militias would take care of lone wolves all by themselves. For free. State Militias would be appropriate and can be licensed to help in national emergencies if they cooperate with requirements.
Power to the people.
But cheap and effective such sanity has no place in America.
Its so sad to see people rushing to give a corrupt and hopelessly disloyal bureaurcacy the power to take away the last little bit of freedoms that exist in this beautiful country turned third world hell hole. And to think that many moons ago kids brought their rifles with them to school and no massacres like now. And yet still no real widespread public discussions about individual responsibility and accountability, no discussions of the moral cesspit that this culture has become, no discussions of the real economic and social plight that millions of Americans are in day in and day out, no discussions about the culpability of Big Pharma and the global drug cartels in the mental health and addiction crises. Yeah those drug cartels that control our “borders”. Nope and never will really be. It’s all about taking away the ability of the little people to defend themselves. People so scared that they will give up their freedom and self determination. This is why America is dying.
The day after the El Paso shooting, didn’t the media get all excited when they heard that there was reportedly a white racist psychopathic killer going on a shooting rampage in a Walmart in Baton Rouge, Louisiana? As it turned out, it was just some bloke with a licensed firearm defending himself in the shopping mall from some deranged crazy white woman trying to stab him with a pair of scissors. Everyone was disappointed at the false alarm and defaulted back into their melancholic stupor of watching TV, shopping, and stuffing their faces with Hot Pockets.
Democrats desperately want America to fail as they see this as a path to power.
Haha good try but this is complete and total fake news! There was no woman involved. Let alone a deranged woman trying to stab a man with scissors. The incident involved two BLACK men who got into an altercation and they both had guns on them but no shots were actually fired. And one of them had the pair of scissors and the guy who ended up getting hurt was a White guy getting stuff for school for his kids.
This is a Loaded Question for Owen Benjamin: “What is the percentage of Black People who have gone to “The Moon” relative to White People?
A very low percentage, because of the absence of a Lunar ghetto. Also, I think they refused to sit in the back of the Lunar Module.
Angola had an advanced space program but white motherf#kkers came in and stole the technology, and the media covered it up.
Brh
Hot Pockets
Sittin’ here, eatin’ my heart out waitin’
Waitin’ for some lover to call
Dialed about a thousand numbers lately
Almost rang the phone off the wall
Lookin’ for some hot pockets, baby this evenin’
I need some hot pockets baby tonight
I want some hot pockets, baby this evenin’
Gotta have some hot pockets
Gotta have some love tonight
I need hot pockets
I want some hot pockets
I need hot pockets
Lookin’ for a lover who needs another
Don’t want another night on my own
Wanna share my love with a warm blooded lover
Wanna bring a wild man back home
Gotta have some hot love baby, this evenin’
I need some hot pockets baby tonight
I want some hot pockets baby this evenin’
Gotta have some lovin’
Got to have a love tonight
I need hot pockets
Hot love
Lookin’ for hot love
Last year, beekeepers reported the greatest bee die-off ever, with a stunning 40 percent of the hives lost.
Not to worry the Golden Gibbon has it under control. When all the bees are dead and robo-bees pollinate all the crops nobody will have anything to bitch about. Nothing to eat but good times. MAGA wagga the dog on dem bees.
S-U-L-F-O-X-A-F-L-O-R attacks the central nervous system of bees.
Trump EPA OKs ‘Emergency’ Use of Bee-Killing Pesticide on 13.9 Million Acres
The Motherfucker!
Not to worry.
When the Williamson/Buttplug team sweeps into office the bees will spring back to life and all will be well with the world once again.
Brh
I hear ya K Dog. You and I are on the same page with this issue and with the worsening catastrophic climate disruption. But I think my outlook is even more pessimistic than yours in the long run though. Maybe short run too, but we’re on the same page still.
(I turned my friend Sam on to your website back in April, who then interviewed you for his channel on YT)
Hey JHK……are Hot Pockets the New Cheez Doodles? One in the same for sure!!
Also, has anyone noticed that the President is no longer being referred to by name? The MSM is now calling him “this president.” Total power and control tactics by the MSM.
* Note , K -Dog , presumably , was talking about mass shooters.
So , yes , I’m going to take his words out of context , and use them for my own purposes.
” Dogs who do this are (1) not normal. ”
You can totally disagree with someone , yet they may remain your equal.
You can accuse someone of the worst atrocities , and they may be guilty of the same , and yet they may still remain your equal.
Yet you can wave the magic wand of psychology , and magically that vexing stubborn reality may be removed at a stroke.
( except the magic wand does not exist, and the erasing of a tangible circumstance does not really happen. )
That so many do not so much as blink at that shabby , puerile hocus -pocus , gives me pause , long before murder , rape or cannibalism and shit like that ever enter the picture.
” (2) is that these dogs don’t have shit. Dogs who shoot are angry and left out. ”
Martin Luther became a doctor of theology , but his parents were 15th century peasants.
Hmm , my guess would be that he was not his parents least favored child ?
Joseph Stalin’s father was a real loser , but , otherwise , his story was pretty much the same.
You would have thought his dirt – poor mother could have spent her sweat and capital on other things . But , no , somehow she
managed a good seminary for her son.
Samuel Adams friends had to buy him a suit of clothes to attend the Continental Congress .
Otherwise though , the other 53 signers of the Declaration of Independence were strictly 2% -ers .
Lafayette was a nobleman , and not a lesser nobleman either.
So was Robespierre.
So was Napoleon.
Lenin was a nobleman too.
Hitler’s father was a Customs Inspector, which in late 19th Century rural Austria meant roughly the social equivalent of a lawyer or physician.
Che Guevara was a physician by trade. My guess would be that he didn’t work his way through medical school on part -time Burger King wages.
Need I go on ?
( I could )
A fucking river of blood has been generated the past five hundred years by well -heeled favorite sons and over -indulged daughters.
whatever atrocities the outcast loser stereotype has committed , the remarkable thing about it has been the comparative insignificance in impact or memory , and the utterly negligible death toll , compared to the above.
Good point Kesa. The uber weathy, the most well connected, and the most publicly well-behaved have been snuffing people out since time immemorial. Many psychopaths are engaging and intriguing after all. Some of these well connected Elites have been pre-meditating the murder of millions. And mostly they are above the law and condemnation. The poor, confused, pathological Joes and Janes will be buried beneath the prisons while the wanna bes clap and cheer and mock.
But is it murder to order a blind follower to his/ her death? Is the butcher a murdered for making the best sausage that everyone just loves? It is murder to pull the trigger provided that you have the requisite mental state (mens rea).
“Is it murder to order the Spring lambs to be slaughtered, Clarice? You will tell when you stop hearing the screaming of the lambs, won’t Clarice?” Hannibal Lecter
Now that is a REALLY creepy movie. I always found it absolutely fascinating that Dr. Lecter was so sophisticated, such a gentleman and a thoughtful person. And yet such a vicious, dangerous and quite deranged killer in the right time and place. Let me go make sure all of my windows and doors are locked again.
Dr. Lecter had his own binary dialectic with which to decide which people were worthy to eat, or rather, be eaten.
Lecter was not an immediate man but in the realm of the self-directed the Lecter character is hardly remarkable, and actually a failure. Being afar above his animal nature from an ideological and intellectual perspective Lecter was hopelessly tide to his animal nature as a human predator. This blatant contradiction which cancels his sophistication is interesting but that is as far as it goes.
Serious anger issues and a highly refined palate. What could go wrong?
” …MSM ….”
Here’s an idea ;
If you actually love your country so fucking much , how about actually using the fucking language ?
Is it really that fucking hard to write , mainstream media ” ? ?? !!
Wars are pretty God-damned expensive.
One of the things Indulgences were paying for ( voluntarily paying for )
were crusades in the Baltic , in Iberia , in the Balkans , and in America.
But then you would praise the guy who — barring a miracle — would have seen to your being over run 500 years ago.
so , yeah , fuck Martin Luther.
and by extension all that shit that follows in train of him.
KA
Religion is just an excuse. Man only needs an excuse to fight. Man is inherently evil, that is why in spite of all the Christian based love your neighbor doctrine over the centuries, people have found every excuse in the book to kill each other. There is something in our emotional makeup that “forces” us to go to war with each other. It happens locally, within families, between religions, between families, between doctrines or between nations.
Technical progress has even enables us to kill without witnessing the slaughter. One thing that ended Viet Nam was the daily body counts the media put out. Facing the results gives public battle fatigue after a while. Today losses are hidden by the US superiority in killing power. We wipe out entire countries now without a peep, millions of people. People are just targets.
Look at our political situation right now. The vitriol exhibited by both sides is increasing daily. Extremists are already shooting. Violence is being encouraged by both sides. If there is a lesson from 1861, it is violence and massive death will eventually happen as people just cannot keep their big mouths shut. People egg things on until an explosion inevitably happens.
The latest run up to the explosion is coming faster and faster. The moderate voices are being drowned out.
Is this the proper definition of the concept evil? It is built in.
And the most evil element is the lubricant of the vitriol, the voice of the evil
The Media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFZ4Rvxhx5w
Last six minutes of the movie , ” Lord of War, ”
Not a particularly good movie , but the ending was pure gold.
What I particularly like in this particular context is how it relates to European , and especially British , hypocritical condescension on the subject of guns.
Three of the worlds biggest arms dealers are European states.
UK gun crime ?
Well , how many Africans were slaughtered today with British guns ?
“What I particularly like in this particular context is how it relates to European , and especially British , hypocritical condescension on the subject of guns.”
Except you’d find, in many cases, that many of the same people who are horrified by the proliferation of gun crime in the US are the same people who object to and protest against their own government’s sale of weapons to places like Saudi Arabia, China, or Indonesia when it was committing genocide in East Timor.
Or maybe you equate ‘people’ with ‘governments’, but that would really surprise me.
Green Alba, how is it in Europe private gun ownership is so restricted, but Muzzies have no problem at all getting ahold of all the Kalashnikovs they need to shoot up magazine offices and concert venues? Its a mystery.
Brh
You remind me, brh, of a fellow student I once sat with in a tutorial who asked the lecturer how come Greece (it was the time of ‘the Colonels’) was so undemocratic, given that it was the birthplace of democracy (albeit with a few demographics not quite sharing the joy).
Consider me looking at you through the same mystified, lost-for-words eyes through which the lecturer looked at him.
Why did you choose ‘Muzzies’ as your mystery gun owners, rather than, say, ordinary criminals or the IRA (who also had a hot line in Semtex from Czechoslovakia, even though I couldn’t buy it in my local hardware store). Life can be just mystifying, can’t it?
Hint: many of the weapons used illegally for such purposes in the UK still come from Eastern Europe and customs people still try to foil their smuggling efforts.
I believe the IRA also had a hot line to Libya for guns as well. And links with ETA in Spain.
I think the weapons the Bataclan terrorists used came from Eastern Europe as well.
There was even some bungle whereby a truck or car carrying weapons from somewhere in Eastern Europe was left to proceed to Paris around the same time, because cooperation between some EU countries on police and security matters wasn’t as good as it tends to be between the UK and other EU countries.
O girl, you have a maddening habit of answering your own answers.
The IRA is fake. They would fight the Brits but not the non White invaders.
They have birth citizenship, you know.
Oh boy, you have a maddening habit of talking nonsense.
And the IRA don’t just fight the Brits, they fight their own as well, and kneecap the ones who fall foul of them.
They kneecap drug dealers. Evidently that’s a big problem just like here. Are they wrong to do so? I’m not so sure given the utter devastation. Don’t know enough about their specific policies to opine more concretely.
Not that the government was selling the weapons, of course, but it was issuing the licenses to allow the sales. And currently it’s been judged unlawful to agree any more weapons sales to Saudi Arabia to murder the people of Yemen, so sometimes there are small wins in the fight against the hypocrisy.
In the meantime I’m not telling the people of the US what to do about their gun situation. We’ve got a knife situation (well, not ‘us’, but some cities in England – Scotland has made massive progress through well thought-out means and quiet hard work – copied in some ways from progress in some US cities, I believe – to lose the ‘stab capital’ status Glasgow used to have when I was a child).
you sound like a gal w make up on, reading from the teleprompter, on the bloody BBC.
Your lack of insight isn’t my problem, malthuss. I have enough of my own.
She does have a way with words.
A pithiness.
I would say you still have a gun problem as well—in that criminals can and do acquire guns and use them.
Do you have significantly fewer “gun-related homicides”? Yes. But your overall homicide rate is around 1 per 100k (versus 5 per 100k in the USA). So about 5x fewer homicides per 100k.
Sometimes 5x matters and sometimes it doesn’t. In this case I would say it’s meaningless. Crime tends to be concentrated in certain areas. And whether it’s 5x or not, these areas remain and the crime remains. Meanwhile, to get that 5x, you’ve taken away a lawful and meaningful right to self defense.
It’s particularly egregious to those who live in or near these crime-infested areas. It’s particularly egregious to women, who obviously lose when denuded of any means to counter innate male strength.
Very little of the violent crime, as far as I’m aware, is women being attacked by ‘innate male strength’. Men are at infinitely more risk of attack.
Except in the home, which is where the largest number of women are at risk of violence. Likewise, most women know their rapists – they’re mostly not raped by strangers jumping out from behind trees or pillar boxes.
GreenAlba, the women who are victims of violence by unknown criminals are not impressed by your stats. Just as the victims of plane crashed are not impressed by those who go on about how safe planes are from a statistical standpoint.
Each individual should have a right to reasonable decide how much risk they’re willing to take. If you want to live without guns, that’s fine. I’m not arguing that you have to own or carry one. But to tell a petite woman living in a crime-infested area that she can’t have a gun because “most women know their rapists – they’re mostly not raped by strangers jumping out from behind trees or pillar boxes” is simply heavy-handed socialism at its worst.
Individuals matter, and individual choices matter. Freedom, choice, and responsibility are values our nations should hold sacred.
Nice bit of “man-splainin’ ” there Ex.
Exscotticus
Sorry I didn’t see this post until now. I though malthuss was being original when I replied to him below. But yet again he just took a bit of someone else’s comment and made it bold.
I was talking about the UK. What you do about who can carry a gun is your business. The fact remains that women are at more risk in their own homes than in the streets. In. My. Country. People here don’t want guns. Even petite women. If they did we’d have seen a petition or two about it since there are petitions about every bloody thing under the sun. And yet we haven’t.
So it’s not ‘heavy handed socialism’, it’s the will of the people.
I hope that’s OK with you.
The stats I gave you from JustSaying were from the US, and they do suggest that women in your country too are MUCH more at risk from their domestic partners than from anyone else.
But since I’m not proposing taking away their guns, that’s irrelevant. I’m just telling your that their counterparts in this country have not expressed an interest in owning guns.
>>> Nice bit of “man-splainin’ ” there Ex.
Would you like me to link to some Dana Loesch vids so she can woman-splain it to you?
How about a vid from Gayle Trotter from the Independent Women’s Forum? Here she’s politely telling a liberal Senator who wants to take away her gun rights to fuck off.
GA
Your wondering might be answered with the acknowledgement that the enemy is not local but international, that globalist forces are crossing national boundaries with weapons, religions, immigrants, drugs, guns and slaves. The globalists have “soldiers” inside every country to advance their causes. Their success is astounding, as evidenced by the lack of effort to root them out and disperse them. Probably because they have more money than God.
So. California has had a knifing incident killing four.
Yeah and so I wonder how many calls to ban knives there will be today? I guess it will all depend on who the killer is. If he is a Leftist the usual ranters and ragers will be busy snoring away. Elrond will definitely not have anything to post about. But if he is Right-wing, look out!!!!!!
SoftStarLight, I condemn all violence and my record demonstrates that.
Apologize for this slander.
Elrond you don’t condemn all violence equally. Your record shows that, too. For example, you talk at length about the El Paso shooter on this forum. Show us where you talk about the Dayton shooter? You know—the Leftist one who hates Trump, supports Warren, wants open borders, etc.?
You never voluntarily talk about minority violence against Whites or even minority violence against each other (they don’t matter, right brother?). You have to be called to task about this and then you get on your high horse like you just did.
Every weekend there is a huge body count in Black Chicago. But it gets little media coverage. They obviously don’t matter to the media – except insofar as it can be blame on Whites. The Elite are Racists – bad ones who don’t care about their own Race except to bash them. Class Tyrants in other words. Marxism used to care about this. What happened, eh Elrond?
See this is really a very fair comment. For those Whites who say they care so much for the Blacks, far more than they do for their White peers, like, why are they not rioting over the horrendous and devastating Black on Black violence that is literally killing thousands of young Black men each and every year? Don’t Black Lives Matter? Or do they only matter when it is alleged that a White person did something horrible to a Black person?
Apologize for what? Telling the truth? Then start balancing out your posts since you say you are simply fair and balanced. Or just be honest about what you really care about and leave it at that.
Ok so great Twitter post. It’s just that we never see that here. So I am sorry if I have painted you as someone who does not condemn the violence on all sides. There. Now we can start out anew. I am still biased though which you know and which I will tell you right up front.
Boys, having guns taken away from them, will pick up sticks and play war.
It is built in.
Throughout history, when two opposing sides are contesting issues, the inevitable result is war where one side wins and since the Civil War, the other side is destroyed. History is written by winners.
Elrond
Dreamers like you are wonderful. However, they are eventually run over by the two sides as they rush in to do battle.
The only confrontation that was settled by “diplomacy” was the Cold War, and only because of MAD. In the words of Wargames, after all alternatives are explored, nobody wins. Would you like to play a game of chess?
Other than that, we are always in a hurry to exterminate the other side.
Elrond, Duck!
Not me. I don’t wish to exterminate anyone. I simply wish that White people could have a land and home or lands and homes of our own. Ditto for the other races. I just don’t care how they do things because they are not us. Beyond that I wish them no harm nor do I assume they have no value or purpose.
As far as I know, the United States was the first and the only nation to overthrow it’s foreign owner once the greed and corruption became unbearable, and maintain its sovereignty since the revolution. It is also as far as I know, the only country that specifically calls for its citizenry to maintain arms because those who founded it understood that eventually total corruption was inevitable. They also understood that there was only one way to correct it or even just to protect yourself from the evil that follows.
The rest of the nations of the world have always been mollified subjects of the royalties that have ruled over them forever. Even in places like France and Russia where royal houses were overthrown, the power vacuum was never filled by the people themselves, only by another form of royalty. As they say, misery loves company so the rest of the world constantly calls for the disarmament of America so that we too can revert to totalitarian control, even though we approach that end anyway. Personally I am not a pompous enough ass to tell anyone in another country how they should live or be ruled, the choice should be theirs. I only wish they would return the favor.
SSL
“Yeah and so I wonder how many calls to ban knives there will be today? ”
Carrying knives is already an offence, same as carrying a gun. They’re just easier to get hold of. So, er, please…
In the UK, that is, since you’re presumably having a pop at the UK.
It’s quite easy in Northern Ireland, obviously, which is rather more awash with guns, for historical reasons.
Yes, the only place in Western Europe where the natives are as tough as any of the immigrant groups. Accordingly, they mostly go into the South where they people are weak and confused, ripe for conquest. in other words.
Yes, that’s right, Janos. Tough men who bombed innocent civilians and shoppers, including children. And who drill through their own people’s kneecaps if they misbehave.
You are sick.
Like I said, what other nations do is their business and I will not comment nor care what they choose – I do not live there. At least around here, the rules for knives are pretty intelligent and fair because pretty much everything is left to the law officer’s discretion. Put a nail file to the throat of your neighbor and get busted. Lop off the end of your cigar with a machete, no problem. Knives are one of the most useful tools for any of us that do work, make things, or fix stuff. I have always carried at least one, have used it almost every day, and the only blood I have ever drawn has been my own – oops!
Laws only control law abiding citizens. Criminals pay them no heed. I cannot understand why people cannot get that.
Walter, it’s only illegal to carry a knife without a legitimate reason. You carrying a knife for the purpose of work or scouting or cooking or whatever else wouldn’t be a problem.Like you said, it’s up to the discretion of the officer who might stop you. And why would he stop you anyway? You’re not exactly the typical profile of a knife attacker.
A young man wearing a hoodie and carrying a serious looking knife on a Saturday night on his way to a pub would be a different matter. Stop and search has saved lives, even if it’s not popular among the stopped and searched.
Indeed GA, in the end, the only true justice that we still have is at the discretion of the law enforcement people. That is why I always treat them with respect and never give them a reason to be a dick. It is a shame that so many of the urban idiots cannot understand this basic concept.
And don’t you find that to be insanity? A responsible adult cannot even carry a knife on them because an imported population (not welcomed by all of your citizens by the way) can’t be bothered to control many of their own from stabbing infidels to fulfil their religious duties. I find it shameful and sad that our cousins (you) have accepted this. Although again, many people in Britain are forced to live under such conditions and don’t vote for this crap.
See above. No, I don’t, obviously.
A responsible adult can carry a knife without any problem if they have a reason to be carrying a knife. .
Maybe you should worry about those nice Christian husbands round your way who can do enough damage without a knife at all.
Why do you think the knife laws are anything to do with Muslims? You are seriously obsessed. Knife laws were brought in because of gangs, white, brown and black, long before there were any jihadi attacks.
I find it shameful and sad that you talk such utter nonsense. ‘Can’t be bothered to control many of their own’. What does that even mean? The typical profile of the ‘jihadi’ terrorist in the west is an isolated petty criminal psycho who isn’t even pious.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267295/acid-attacks-londons-muslim-no-go-zones-daniel-greenfield
>>> A responsible adult can carry a knife without any problem if they have a reason to be carrying a knife.
In the UK, self-defense is not considered a lawful reason for carrying any weapon.
JAZ
I’m not sure what ‘wondering’ you’re referring to. In the case of the IRA, there was no ‘globalist force’. The IRA made its own arrangements to establish connections with other terrorist forces like ETA and gunrunners in Libya. Obviously idiots like NORAID in your own country helped supply the money to pay for it, since robbing banks needed a bit of supplementing. Maybe the global Irish Catholic order was a thing, in that instance.
John AZ, I saw on the “News” that the evil-doer in CA used a “High Capacity Assault Knife” Oh,the horror! Ban all knives I say.
Rosanna Arquette, a wealthy and privileged White woman says she is ashamed and disgusted to be White and privileged. What this hypocrite won’t do is thus give all of her possessions away to Browns and Blacks and remove herself from this country for a better life in Yemen, Somalia or better yet Zimbabwe. She is a perfect example of who and what the Elite is. How pathetic and weak lol!
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50361/trump-hater-rosanna-arquette-my-being-born-white-hank-berrien
She is a pathetic brainwashed ninny who operates on emotions because the “smarts” have been brainwashed away. Easy in the Hollywood Disneyland.
There’s a lot of preposterous and hilarious stuff bandied about but probably the funniest comes from the most privileged sternly admonishing us to check our privilege. Maybe they ought to start with themselves.
Am I privileged? Are you? I’m White. So are you. Is that enough by itself to make us privileged?
My folk crossed the pond (legally with a pass-port) when jobs were plentiful so that even with a minimal education you could make a go of it. I saw a multitude of other people from different countries and ethnic backgrounds do exactly that, most of them like my own clan with a rudimentary education, coming from the lowest economic classes in Europe, many of them dirt-poor farmers, many coming from seriously bad places run by oppressive ruling classes. The fascistic tendencies of Spain, Italy and Germany and other places after all didn’t come from nowhere, taking their example from pre-existing societies and therefore being a product of – but also being a reaction to – what came before.
So, was that mass of people crossing the water privileged?
But what about those wretched dust-bowl American farmers? Many of the people that get abuse hurled at them for being both “privileged”, or alternatively castigated for being White Trash, are just one or two generations removed from destitution given conditions in the rural USA not so long ago.
The people laughed at and despised as Deplorable were not long ago America’s industrial working class, sweating in mills and around furnaces. Seems a bit much to be hurling invective at people who directly descend from the lowest of the low in America, or the ones who were working their fingers to the bone, whose jobs were re-located to China for the sake of the fortunes of the upper-class.
I don’t know what you did. What I did was to take full advantage of what was on offer during the time of post-war prosperity, which was “free” public education (which of course was paid for by taxes) and reasonably priced university degree programs. So did all my cousins.
So, does that make us privileged? I don’t know about you but nothing was handed to anybody from my own circle. Nobody had connections, nobody pulled strings for us, we didn’t have high-priced consultants helping us fake our applications. We did what everyone else did with a modicum of ambition, which was to do our homework, pass our exams and apply for entrance to colleges and universities. Then we did our homework and passed our exams and graduated with degrees.
The systems that were put in place for mass public education weren’t the doing of people of my own social strata, they came from the far-sightedness of people at the higher echelons that, at the time, had the foresight to think about things other than their immediate self-interest. So, hats off because if not for them I’d be walking behind an ox, plowing rocky fields, trying to squeeze a living from uncooperative farmland. But things are different now. The higher ups think it’s the done thing to piss down.
As for Arquette, she evidently doesn’t know shit, except maybe about the depravities of her own Hollywood social class. As for not knowing shit, neither do the like-minded multitude of ignorant, virtue-signalling fools. And there’s a lot of them seriously deficient in historical knowledge, not even deigning to talk to people who had DIRECT personal experience. Well within the life-times of those like Arquette, the USA was full of such people, you couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting them.
How do you turn someplace like the US into someplace like Brazil? Start acting like Brazilians. How do you turn it into someplace like Nazi Germany? Same way, start acting like Nazi Germans. But if the US is facing a fascist resurgence given the dictatorial attitudes you see in some quarters, it’s coming from people warning us against that very thing.
That sneering deity running this fold of the cosmos evidently has got a rich sense of irony.
Volodya,
Very well said…as usual
Glad you liked it.
I agree with you V. The only way in which I differ with you is that, as you well know, I simply believe the diversity has gone way too far and has destroyed our ability to truly “unite” as a society. In that sense we are definitely becoming Brazil, which is a very miscegenated, diverse and fractured society racially and socio-economically. In a similar way we are like Germany before WWII in that so many people are suffering economically. Something will definitely have to give. The old way of doing things did seem to work for some time but that time is now over. Hard work doesn’t necessarily get you any where anymore. Hard work and dedication though in and of themselves are typically very good values. It’s unfortunate that our society doesn’t reward good values any more.
One of the lower Elite. The higher ones know humanity from a to z and always choose Themselves – not their Race so much as their class. There’s a strong Masonic element that weakened their ties to other Whites over the generations. And of course the Jewish element that has always been hostile. And since Masonry is wildly pro-Jewish, instead of being competitors, they have joined into a unity, one cemented by much inter-marriage. Thus it’s alright to be pro-Jewish but not pro-White. And that’s the Kalergi Plan in a nutshell. He merely named and focused what had already begun well before he was born.
OK, Janos, so we’re back to Kalergi.
So, I’ll ask you yet again. Why is the EU paying Turkey to host millions of Syrian refugees to avoid them entering the EU?
And why is The European Border and Coast Guard Agency, using drones to avoid the legal obligation to aid a vessel in distress, which does not apply to an unmanned aerial vehicle, to avoid having to save refugees in peril in the Mediterranean?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/06/drones-refugees-drown-inhumanity-border-enforcement
And why is Jean-Claude Juncker, who says that European border policies are designed to “break the business model of smugglers”, implementing (thereby) the policy of Fortress Europe?
“As a fig leaf, so the EU can claim that it does not simply leave refugees to drown, we provide support for the Libyan coastguard to intercept boats attempting the crossing and return them to a network of detention camps in Libya. But the Global Detention Project report on conditions in these camps says: “Those detained often face severe abuses, including rape and torture, extortion, forced labour, slavery, dire living conditions, and extra-judicial execution.” Human Rights Watch – in a report entitled No Escape from Hell – described conditions of overcrowding and malnutrition, and allegations of children being beaten by guards.
It just doesn’t fit with your beloved Kalergi nonsense, so please, do clarify.
And why did Germany, for years and years, long before the current refugee crisis, treat its Turkish Gastarbeiter like shit when it could have given them permanent residence if it had wanted to, in order to encourage more of them to join their friends and bring their wives and families?
In other words, because not everyone is on board with the Kalergi Plan and some (like Salvini) are fighting back, it isn’t real? Yet many Nations in Western Europe will be majority non-White before the end of the century. Some of them majority Muslim, based on current trends, what to speak of any acceleration based on conversion.
You talk as if it isn’t happening, but It is. From a historical perspective, the rate of change is simply incredible. Genocide based on the classical definitions.
You can demonstrate as much as you like that there are more Muslim immigrants and refugees in the EU than you think it wise. But you’re not demonstrating anything regarding a plan.
Jean-Claude Juncker isn’t just ‘not everyone’, he’s the face of the ruddy EU. And the EU is implementing the policy of Fortress Europe and not your beloved Kalergi plan.
And using drones to avoid picking up migrants in the Mediterranean while having them picked up by Libyans who stick them in horrendous camps and treat them horrifically.
Doesn’t sound very Kalergi to me. Or very planned.
Which countries started off the mess in the Middle East? Germany? France?
No, it was the US and its UK poodle, the two who don’t want the refugees. I don’t recall Germany doing anything to create planned refugees who would then come to Germany. I do recall thinking at the time that Germany, in the person of Angela Merkel, was still conscious of its historical legacy of things inhuman and that it probably wanted to show the world it was just as human as everyone else.
Things aren’t always planned, just because you want to see a planner. Sometimes, as Harold Macmillan famously said, it’s just ‘events, dear boy, events’.
Germany had a huge and troublesome Turkish population before all this began. Growing too despite their high unemployment. Again, Why? Even if it was just drifting or “events” that doesn’t excuse it. Not to act is to act in any case. Life is what we don’t do just as much as what we do. And if it’s your duty to act and you don’t, then you are culpable.
Salvini is upping the penalties for this kind of atrocious human trafficking – and allowing the Captains to be charged and imprisoned. More good news.
How horrible Black Africa must be to risk all this, eh? Think they won’t turn wherever they go to into Black Africa? You’d be wrong…..
Alba, from “above” (spiritually below)
I do recall thinking at the time that Germany, in the person of Angela Merkel, was still conscious of its historical legacy of things inhuman and that it probably wanted to show the world it was just as human as everyone else.
JS: If Merkel opened German’s borders to desperate and/or angry Muslim men, just to prove to the world “it was just as human as everyone else” then she’s a world class dummy and proof the women don’t belong in politics. I know she’s smart, a nuclear physicist or something. So are you. It simply doesn’t matter if you don’t know how to use or refuse to do so, always preferring to go with your disordered emotions (sentimentality) when push comes to shove. The same people are invariably ruthless with their opponents who don’t meet the “aw” or “ooh” criterion of officially approved compassion objects. You would be too.
Have a read of this, Janos. There’s a bit about Turkish gangs in Germany, but it’s the first section that you’ll be more interested in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany#Crime
Merkel didn’t make the decision by herself, dope. She was the figurehead. And they weren’t all ‘angry men’ just because you want them to be.
Mostly I make my decisions extremely rationally. You criticise me for it. So give it a rest with the other nonsense. What could be more emotional and less rational than your pagan Aryan mystic tripe?
Yeah exactly. It would be so much better if you were super emotional like me and yet obeyed your more rational and logical side when it came to thinking about politics and life the way I try to do. Its ok to let your sentimentality run wild but for heavens sake don’t let it run your life. That is like allowing an addiction to run your life. And look at how Angela Merkel’s addiction to being PC and being loved by all who are PC has destroyed millions of lives.
“Yeah exactly. It would be so much better if you were super emotional like me and yet obeyed your more rational and logical side when it came to thinking about politics and life the way I try to do. Its ok to let your sentimentality run wild but for heavens sake don’t let it run your life. ”
Great stuff, SSL. Thank you for the benefit of the advice from your long years of experience. If only I’d been around as long as you I could think for myself.
Where would I be without it? Maybe picking myself off a floor in Louisiana after a well placed backhander from one of those nice white Christian men you were telling me about.
Sheesh.
Merkel won the much coveted Kalergi Prize in 2010.
https://irexiteu.com/genocide-award-for-merkel/
“And look at how Angela Merkel’s addiction to being PC and being loved by all who are PC has destroyed millions of lives.”
I take it you’ve got some names of those millions of people whose lives have been destroyed, along with what happened to them.
Yeah allowing over one million people into Germany in one year didn’t create social havoc at all lol. I think you know better Alba. Certainly the BBC appears to understand. Its either complete incompetence on the part of the authorities to allow the migration or its an intentional act of betrayal. Sorry, we just don’t buy that they are stupid so its got to be intentional.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828
Like so many social media ephemera, the offending tweet has been deleted. I never even got to read it, not that I’m much interested.
FWIW, I’d be willing to let the following stand as my response as well:
https://twitter.com/Heidi__Matthews/status/1159466970191933442?s=20
I am glad it only received six likes because it is a stupid post respectfully Elrond. I have no guilt for being White and you should not either. It’s a ridiculous concept. I can’t wait for the day your mind changes. It is going to change. I feel it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZFZ6jDCR4
s/he/she/
But it does seem like there is something that drives you and I think its more than you just combating “right-wing chuds” on a daily basis. Like you are condemning a different side of you that you are attempting to suppress. Or condemning those you are afraid you could become like. Of course, I don’t know so I could just be imagining all of it too.
Ever since Trump got elected there have been daily and routine calls for violence and death to be unleashed on all Trump supporters/voters. And there have been many instances of violence reported in the news but then those stories are quickly silenced and forgotten. And yet just another example here of how these ideas get spread around.
https://summit.news/2019/08/06/death-camps-for-trump-supporters-fliers-posted-in-new-york/
And yet I really don’t recall many posts at all condemning such calls for violent actions. It’s funny how people who feign to support laws and civil liberties are so openly hypocritical. But perhaps their bias is so complete that they are not even self aware of this. Or maybe its completely intentional.
Evidence of Lefty violence is everywhere and overwhelming—far more so than these elusive “white supremacist” boogiemen. Even when this violence rises to the level of a mass shooting, it’s still ignored by the Left. Even WaPo—not exactly known for its fair and unbiased journalism—had this to say…
But if Democrats want to play politics with mass murder, it works both ways. Because the man who carried out another mass shooting 13 hours later in Dayton, Ohio, seems to have been a left-wing radical whose social media posts echoed Democrats’ hate-filled attacks on the president and U.S. immigration officials. The Associated Press reported on Monday that a Twitter account that appeared to be his “showed tweets labeling himself a ‘leftist,’ bemoaning the election of President Donald Trump, supporting Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and encouraging people to cut fences of immigrant detention centers.”
Yep and there is no real focus on Connor Betts because he was a huge Antifa supporter. The media and the political establishment are essentially ok with Antifa violence. Many ordinary every day Leftists are too.
“And yet I really don’t recall many posts at all condemning such calls for violent actions.”
Me neither. But then I’ve never heard of this, so you’ll have to settle for me condemning it now.
Along with the violence of all Antifa types and any associated or un-associated ‘lefty’ types anywhere in your country, except in situations of self defence.
And along with all those husbands and boyfriends you told me about down your way who hit their wives and girlfriends because they’re ‘real men’.
Mind you, I’d find it difficult to condemn any decent neighbours who take those scumbag husbands and boyfriends and paste them up against a nearby wall while telling them how you’re meant to treat people.
But in the interest of consistency I guess I have to, hard as it is. Let’s just hope they take them to the police instead so that the miserable cowardly f**ckers pay the usual price under the law, and let’s hope too that those abused women had enough foresight to make sure they have a trade that will enable them to ditch the violent f**kers as well and bring their sons and daughters up far from their repulsive example.
And what about women who psychological and emotionally abuse their husbands or boyfriends? What about those women who physically assault their boyfriends and husbands because they know they won’t get hit back? You don’t believe they exist? You should watch Deadly Women. It’s a good show and very interesting and 9 times out of 10 they end up killing their men.
Of course they exist. I would refer you to official statistics, though, rather than TV shows, but maybe that’s not your thing.
“And what about women who psychological and emotionally abuse their husbands or boyfriends? ”
They’re exactly the same as the men who psychologically and emotionally abuse their wives and girlfriends. Obviously. But not as bad as those who kill them or beat them up.
Maybe you’re not aware that most battered women are emotionally traumatised too. And often can’t afford to leave. And many are terrified to leave because they’ve been told they’ll be killed if they do. And sometimes are. As, sometimes, are their children.
I’m very well aware Alba. Really, the condescending tone gets a bit old you know. And you exaggerate and twist words which is exactly what you accuse me of doing. But anyway, you avoided my point as usual.
Nothing condescending about it, but nice try.
If you are trying to persuade me that there’s any equivalence between the violence perpetrated on women in a domestic setting and the violence perpetrated on men, you’ll have your work cut out for you. The fact that some women are manipulative, annoying, gaslighting or whatever will never, ever make up for either historical or current male domestic abuse. That shouldn’t even need to be said. In this country some women cringe in fear if their husband’s football team has lost. Or sometimes even if they won.
But I get that you are still where people here were in the 50s – look, guv, she provoked me. I couldn’t help myself…
GreenAlba, if you want to know the truth, you’re not going to find it just reading the fake news MSM headlines.
You can reproduce lefty violence on demand by simply wearing a MAGA hat in a liberal city. That’s all it takes. Sooner or later you’ll be assaulted in some way. It’s rampant.
I don’t ‘just read’ the ‘fake news MSM headlines’. I’ve just condemned all ‘lefty violence, including the incidents I don’t know about’ – what are you arguing with? I’m sure you equally condemn all rightwing violence that you haven’t read about (yet or ever).
And you forget, Exscotticus, that I’m of an age that means the violence I remember back in that weird 70s period was mostly leftwing violence. Red Brigades, Symbionese Liberation Army, and so on (although the latter were a bit too weird for classification, possibly).
Plus of course the IRA. A lefty cause in many people’s eyes too – definitely garnering more sympathy in lefty demographics anyway. I was capable of apologetics for their grievances if not for their methods, back in the day.
I also recall, regarding the MAGA hat, that all you had to do to be assaulted at a Trump rally by a bunch of MAGA folks was to heckle a bit, free speech notwithstanding. The Donald, you’ll recall, waxed nostalgic for a time when such hecklers would have been carried out on a stretcher.
Joking he was. Obvs.
>>> I also recall, regarding the MAGA hat, that all you had to do to be assaulted at a Trump rally by a bunch of MAGA folks was to heckle a bit, free speech notwithstanding.
Links please. Show us hecklers being assaulted by “MAGA folks” at Trump’s rallies. You mean they were asked to leave a private venue, refused to, and were then forcibly removed by security? Not quite the same as walking down a public street and getting knocked down, is it?
So you think hecklers should be carried out on stretchers, as Trump fantasised from ‘back then’? He said he’d like to punch him too. BRH had better watch himself, even on that back row…
And he endorsed the guy who body slammed a Guardian journalist who asked a question, and suggested that might help rather than hinder his campaign because Montana folks like that sort of thing. Apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/trump-greg-gianforte-assault-guardian-ben-jacobs
Not so mouthy in the direction of Crown Prince Bone Saw, though, as mentioned in the article.
>>> And he endorsed the guy who body slammed a Guardian journalist who asked a question
Is that a fair characterization of what happened? Here’s an eye-witness account…
During that conversation, another man — who we now know is Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte’s face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.
At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, “I’m sick and tired of this!”
So it sounds like a pushy reporter shoved a microphone into someone’s face, wouldn’t accept alternate accommodations, and got assaulted as a result. Justified? Of course not. But the context isn’t exactly “some poor reporter just doing his job who politely and respectfully asked a question”.
Thanks for the link Exscotticus:
“To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff’s deputies.”
Yep—he snapped. Unjustified. And the attacks on MAGA hat wearers? They snapped too? But they weren’t prosecuted like Gianforte was…
“Yep—he snapped. Unjustified. ”
Yet the President of the United States said he was his kind of man. And that it would probably help his case in Montana.
Their kind of man too, according to Prez. No snapping. Time for thought.
>>> Yet the President of the United States said he was his kind of man.
Can Trump not have an opinion? Speech is not physical assault. And the context is a hostile media that abuses their rights on a daily basis. I assume you’re familiar with this case?
As well you should be. Any slimy maggot wearing a MAGAt hat should be culled from the gene pool for the betterment of liberal, peace loving the rest of us.
Dunning–Kruger
The Deep Throat Tradition is alive and well at the FBI
SEX SCANDAL ROCKS FBI: Top Agents Under Fire For Reported Sexual Affairs with CNN Reporters
https://truepundit.com/sex-scandal-rocks-fbi-top-agents-under-fire-for-reported-sexual-affairs-with-cnn-reporters/
You could see Hillary’s handwriting all over this, a flashback to the Watergate times when Washington Post reporters Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward got won over by the outstanding skill of the agent “Deep Throat”.
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/134846/foxes-seen-at-temple-mount-prophetic-proof-jerusalem-returning-to-former-glory/
GreenAlba, the women who are victims of violence
by unknown criminals are not impressed by your stats.
They’re probably not impressed by your unnecessary use of bold font either, malthuss.
But if you have stats on the number of victims of violence against women inside v. outside the home in the UK, I’m happy to look at them.
In the meantime, I’ll let you have those stats from JustSaying regarding your own country. I don’t know about your outside-the-home stats on violence towards women and haven’t quoted any.
“Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women, more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. In one day during September, 2013, 66,581 victims were served at domestic violence centers in the U.S., and 36,348 domestic violence victims (19,431 children and 16,917 adults) found refuge in emergency shelters or transitional housing provided by local domestic violence programs.”
I think that’s fairly impressive, but not in a good way. But it’s your country and I have no skin in the game, so make of them what you will.
It’s no wonder some folks want the state to keep its nose out of the family’s affairs, eh?!
>>> But if you have stats on the number of victims of violence against women inside v. outside the home in the UK, I’m happy to look at them.
Straw man and you totally miss the point. No one is debating your stats. What we’re saying is that, to tell a woman who has just been raped by unknown assailants that she CAN’T LAWFULLY PROTECT HERSELF IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY because—sorry, the stats say you’re an uncommon case!—is incredibly cruel and outrageous.
Is she allowed to sue the police for failing to protect her? Nope! What are her legal options? Not many! If she’s wealthy she can just move, or hire a security detail. But obviously these options are neither practical nor feasible for the vast overwhelming majority of people.
T Y, Exscotticus.
I’ve replied to this elsewhere, Exscotticus. If British women show any interest in a change in the law I’ll let you know.
4 dead, 2 wounded in stabbing spree in LA county.
Malthus, did this happen in your neighborhood?
Where the hell did the stabber think he was, London?
Now all we need is for somebody to get acid thrown in their face, in LA they can start eating fish and chips.
Draw your own conclusions, CFNers.
Can’t wait to see the movie ‘The Hunt’.
Brh
“Now all we need is for somebody to get acid thrown in their face, in LA”
Why would they do that when they have guns? And why would they do it anyway when most of the acid attacks are to steal mopeds? Is there a lot of moped stealing in LA? Or even a lot of mopeds? If you have a gun and you want to steal a moped, don’t you just hit them ‘upside the head’ with it, as you folks say? You don’t even have to shoot it.
There are times I wanted to throw acid in someones face.
I knew a man [yes, Black] who had a pal who did this to his ex..he went to prison and she to the hospital.
You know Brh that is a good point. The whole acid throwing thing is really scary and destructive. The more Muslims we continue to import into our country the more likely we are to see these types of attacks. For some reason they like using acid. I know when it is done to women particularly it is meant to disfigure the face.
SSL – it must make you feel a little more secure knowing the acid trick won’t work on you.
” For some reason they like using acid.”
Give it a rest, SSL, with your ignorant nonsense. The percentage of acid attackers in London of Asian origin is six percent.
Six. Per. Cent.
And if you’re talking about the place where such attacks on women are frequent you probably mean India. Where the people are Hindus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5d38c003-c54a-4513-a369-f9eae0d52f91
Please stop spreading your outrageous ignorance.
LOL well thanks Alba for the correction. And so according to what the BBC has to say about it yeah you’re right. But what you left out I will point out here. Non-Whites are overrepresented in the perp category, while Whites are overrepresented in the victim category. And since a larger percentage of the perps’ ethnic identities are unknown there may be more Muslims in the mix than you realize. So ultimately letting strange cultures in doesn’t seem to be helping the matter.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1248/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2017/11/17/3e9c0f90-1e75-409c-9f64-279aca9bc743.jpg
Never give up in your quest, SSL. Never. Ignore those damned statistics and fill in the gaps with faith. What would Jesus do?
JS: Tucker agrees with me about the Elite using Race to hide their Class Tyranny. Great mind think alike.
Good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson Tonight. What’s the point at which rhetoric forces action? When do words become incitement? At what point do political attacks become so reckless and unhinged that you can no longer heal the divide they create with politics, and force people towards something darker? Well it’s hard to know exactly when that point is, but the left is getting very close to it. We could give you many examples of this, but we’ll begin with this exchange from last night on MSNBC. This is frequent guest Malcolm Nance accusing the president of the United States of sending secret messages to neo-Nazis:
(SOT: NANCE: These people feel that they are the foot soldiers and executors of what the disenfranchisement that the white race is feeling and Donald Trump is giving them subliminal orders in their head.)
Subliminal orders. Whatever his faults, you can be certain Donald Trump is not doing that. Trump is the least subliminal politician in American history. He has no subtext. That’s part of the problem, of course. If he’s thinking it, he’s saying it. The claim is ludicrous. But at MSNBC, it wasn’t even the weirdest thing uttered on their air yesterday. That distinction goes to Frank Figluizzi, a former FBI official turned talking head-conspiracy nut. He used numerology to explain the president’s coded messages. Watch this, and keep in mind it is entirely real. We have not edited a word:
(SOT: Figluizzi: It’s the little things and the language and messaging that matters. The president said that we will fly our flags at half-mast until Aug. 8. That’s 8/8. Now, I’m not going to imply that he did this deliberately, but I am using it as an example of the ignorance of the adversary that’s being demonstrated by the White House. The numbers 88 are very significant in neo-Nazi and white supremacy movement. Why? Because the letter ‘H’ is the eighth letter of the alphabet, and to them the numbers 88 together stand for ‘Heil Hitler.)
Got that? Eight is a racist number. That what they’re telling you on MSNBC. In other words, things are getting dangerously crazy on the left. How crazy? Well on Monday, former Jeb Bush spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace explained that President Trump is planning a genocide of Hispanic Americans. Watch this:
(SOT: USA Today columnist Paul Reyes: He ramped it up again when he said “invasion” and warning people about the caravan. Words like “infestation”. What do you do with an infestation? The natural conclusion is to attempt an extermination.
WALLACE: President Obama, he used the power of the presidency to try to pass comprehensive immigration reform with the Latino community, Latino leaders at the table. You now have a president, as you say, talking about exterminating Latinos.”)
Exterminating Latinos. Keep in mind, Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Mitt Romney did. It turns out that not all Latinos believe in open borders. A lot of them don’t. Some of them agree with Donald Trump on immigration. And yet the left is now telling you — and demanding that you believe — that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a white supremacist, and must be destroyed. They’re telling you that for political reasons. This is election season obviously and they want more political power. But there are other reasons too that they’re saying this.
Ever wonder why rich people seem the most hysterical on the subject? Ever notice that it’s the highest paid people on television who are the most determined to convince you that white supremacy is America’s biggest problem? Why is that? Simple: every minute you’re angry about race is a minute you’re not thinking about class, which of course is the real divide in this country. Working class people of all colors have a lot more in common, infinitely more in common with each other than they do with some overpaid MSNBC anchor. And if you were allowed to think about that for long enough, you might start to get unauthorized ideas about economics.
That would be disruptive to a very lucrative status quo. So they whip you into a frenzy of racial fear so that it never enters your mind. It’s a diversion. Everyone else hates each other. They get to keep their money. Pretty tricky. Unfortunately, it’s also destroying the country. This is the path to civil war, obviously.
So we want to take a second to pass on a sincere message to official Washington, and particularly to our colleagues on the other cable news channels, and it’s this: Please, for the sake of the nation, calm down. Yes, America has problems. Racism is one of those problems. But so is a fading middle class, a terrifying drug epidemic that’s killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. So is a national debt that is growing by a trillion dollars a year. People realize their country is declining, and it’s making them turn to new political leaders. Donald Trump was one of them. Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are others. This is a time of frustration and change. But America is not on the brink of genocide. It’s not even close to that. This is not a white supremacist country, plotting the slaughter its own people. It’s a kind country, full of decent people of all races who, like all people everywhere, make bad decisions from time to time, but they mean well and they generally try their best. Going forward, give them the benefit of the doubt, even when you disagree. Maybe especially when you disagree with them. These are your fellow Americans. Cut them a break. They deserve it. And remember: The alternative is disaster.
JS: Not sure what SOT means. Got this from the Daily Caller. The initials of a commentator? A competitor to my JS? The nerve!
Doesn’t seem to be a commentator but Tucker himself inserting quotes. Does anyone know what SOT means? Some kind of journalistic code?
Seeker of Truth?
Or I guess Seeker Of Truth ;-).
According to Google: a habitual drunkard.
First of, it’s not just faceless elites – but concrete part of the Western elites united under the ideology of the Black Project, first articulated by “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux and now headed by Hillary Clinton.
Secondly, they are using mass murders – aka mass shootings – to assault the freedoms specified in the Constitution and impose an absolute tyranny ala “Iron Heel” by Jack London.
To cover their ass as accomplices to mass murders, they are using their hold on law enforcement, Federal and local.
I would say that since 1993 (Waco, Texas), 99% of all mass shootings in the United States were events staged by the Black Project.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/hold-the-teddy-bears-and-candles/#comment-433600
Carlson:
“So they whip you into a frenzy of racial fear so that it never enters your mind. It’s a diversion.”
Hmm. Interesting that you, of all people, Janos, would post this. This is your own stock in trade, isn’t it? Race, race, race! Poor put-upon white people, having their very country taken away from them by this invading infestation, this horde of ‘Browns”.
“Working class people of all colors have a lot more in common, infinitely more in common with each other than they do with some overpaid MSNBC anchor.”
An eminently sensible perspective.
See my post below. Tucker is a work in progress. Who knows? Someday he may awaken. Maybe he already has…..
Needless to say, I disagree with Tucker about his Civic Nationalism. Race is real. And America was founded as a White Nation. The Left is right about that and Conservatives are wrong. And they are never going to stop beating us over the head about that, making sure minorities never forget it either. They have a winning strategy. Think they are going to stop?
Blacks have a special animus – think they are going to forgive us? All the more so when they are rewarded for their outrage. Mexicans too have a strong animus, though their claim is much, much weaker. But they’re not going to give it up either. That’s their rationale for conquest and thus precious to them. Just the Southwest though, right? No, wrong. Why stop you if are winning? Their people are everywhere so….
Nietzsche called it “The Will to Power”. And any People who lose it or give it away are not long for this World.
>>> And America was founded as a White Nation.
Not true and no evidence for this. Go ahead and scour the Federalist Papers or whatever; you’ll find no evidence of the race language used by white supremacists. Quite the opposite!
What is true is that America was founded by English-speaking people of European descent, and subjects of the British Empire. I think it’s fair to say that nearly all would have identified as being Christian and white, although there were admittedly some theists and atheists.
What is true is that not a single Founding Father was an immigrant—and that includes Hamiton.
The Founders were tolerant of other religions and cultures. But that’s not the same thing as saying that they were multicultural. They did not believe in the Left’s sacred cows of ethnic and racial diversity and cultural relativism.
No, they were hostile to the Indians whom they were conquering and dispossessing. Sheesh.
And they looked down on the Negroes as inferior. Jefferson, wiser than any, saw the future disaster now enfolding. He met and talked to survivors of the White Genocide in Haiti.
So you’re wrong. They were tolerant of other outside their borders – until they wanted that land also! Our flag should have included blue on the right side and the left – the land between the oceans just as Israel’s blue stripes indicate everything between the Nile and the Euphrates.
You are the Son of Conquerors. Stop your mealy mouth excuse making. You’re like Muslims who deny that their forbears spread the faith thru conquest. “It was just something they wanted to do for other reasons”, one Muslim kid shame facedly told me. I knew he was lying. Saayid Qutub condemned this kind of attitude as a betrayal of the greatness of Islam.
>>> You are the Son of Conquerors.
Arten’t we all? Who isn’t? Everyone directly or indirectly benefits from violence and aggression. So what? It’s not relevant to your claim, which is that the Founding Fathers met to form a White Nation. Pure fiction. Show us the evidence that “whiteness” was first and foremost on their minds. The very fact that they fought bitterly over slavery should inform you of this. In fact, slavery was really the major issue of division, and nearly derailed the entire endeavor.
It is true that many of the Founders did view the country as a White country and thus probably a reason they didn’t discuss race in the volume in which you might expect. They probably assumed the society would never devolve so far as to question that basic assumption. They probably never dreamed we would intentionally import people from India, the Middle East, China, and more people from Africa. I guess they didn’t realize that we would devolve into a spirit-less and culture-less corporation solely focused on money making and material consumption. After all that is not the definition of what a Nation is. It’s just something we have become through neglect and refusal to see truth.
It wasn’t first and foremost on their minds because it didn’t have to be. It was implicit. Americans were former Brits and therefore White. The immigrants? Whites. The people being conquered and enslaved? Not White.
And sure, they viewed other White Nations as competitors, like France, England, and Spain, for the prize of as much of North America as possible. We tried for more in 1812 and got defeated badly. It was spun to make us the good guys and also maintain the claim that we never lost a war.
>>> It is true that many of the Founders did view the country as a White country and thus probably a reason they didn’t discuss race in the volume in which you might expect.
I doubt it and so I’m asking for proof. Janos wants to slap his race goggles onto the Founding Fathers as if it’s a given. It’s not. We have their diaries and correspondences. Show us evidence of white race obsession, with race being the sine qua non of their existence.
Extracts from an essay by Jared Taylor, “What did the Founding Fathers Think about Race?”
The founding generation:
Thomas Jefferson’s views were typical of his generation. Despite what he wrote in the Declaration, he did not think Blacks were equal to Whites, noting that “in general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection.” He hoped slavery would be abolished some day, but “when freed, he [the Negro] is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture.” Jefferson also expected whites eventually to displace all of the Indians of the New World. The United States, he wrote, was to be “the nest from which all America, North and South, is to be peopled,” and the hemisphere was to be entirely European: “… nor can we contemplate with satisfaction either blot or mixture on that surface.”
James Madison agreed with Jefferson that the only solution to the race problem was to free the slaves and expel them: “To be consistent with existing and probably unalterable prejudices in the U.S. freed blacks ought to be permanently removed beyond the region occupied by or allotted to a White population.” He proposed that the federal government buy up the entire slave population and transport it overseas. After two terms in office, he served as chief executive of the American Colonization Society, which was established to repatriate Blacks.
Benjamin Franklin wrote little about race, but had a sense of racial loyalty that was typical of his time:
“[T]he Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably [sic] very small… . I could wish their Numbers were increased…. But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.”
Franklin therefore opposed bringing more Blacks to the United States:
“[W]hy increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America?”
John Dickinson was a Delaware delegate to the constitutional convention and wrote so effectively in favor of independence that he is known as the “Penman of the Revolution.” As was common in his time, he believed that homogeneity, not diversity, was the new republic’s greatest strength:
“Where was there ever a confederacy of republics united as these states are…or, in which the people were so drawn together by religion, blood, language, manners, and customs?”
Dickinson’s views were echoed in the second of The Federalist Papers, in which John Jay gave thanks that “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people,”
After the Constitution was ratified in 1788, Americans had to decide who they would allow to become part of their new country. The very first citizenship law, passed in 1790, specified that only “free white persons” could be naturalized, and immigration laws designed to keep the country overwhelmingly white were repealed only in 1965.
Alexander Hamilton was suspicious even of European immigrants, writing that “the influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities.”
The question of [blacks’] citizenship arose during the Missouri crisis of 1820 to 1821. The Missouri constitution barred the immigration of Blacks, and some northern critics said that to prevent Blacks who were citizens of other states from moving to Missouri deprived them of protection under the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution. The author of that clause, Charles Pinckney of South Carolina, was still alive, and denied that he, or any other Framer, intended the clause to apply to Blacks: “I perfectly knew that there did not then exist such a thing in the Union as a black or colored citizen, nor could I then have conceived it possible such a thing could have ever existed in it.”
Sentiments through the end of the War between the States:
Sentiment against Blacks was so strong that many Northern Whites supported abolition only if it was linked, as Jefferson and Madison had proposed, to plans to deport or “colonize” Blacks… Henry Ward Beecher, brother of Harriet Beecher Stowe who wrote Uncle Tom’s Cabin, expressed the majority view: “Do your duty first to the colored people here; educate them, Christianize them, and then colonize them.”
At its [the American Colonization Society’s] inaugural meeting in 1816, Henry Clay described its purpose: to “rid our country of a useless and pernicious, if not dangerous portion of the population.” The following prominent Americans were not just members but served as officers of the society: James Madison, Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Stephen Douglas, William Seward, Francis Scott Key, Winfield Scott, John Marshall, and Roger Taney. James Monroe, another President who owned slaves, worked so tirelessly in the cause of “colonization” that the capital of Liberia is named Monrovia in recognition of his efforts.
Early Americans wrote their opposition to miscegenation into law. Between 1661 and 1725, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and all the southern colonies passed laws prohibiting inter-racial marriage and, in some cases, fornication. Of the 50 states, no fewer than 44 had laws prohibiting inter-racial marriage at some point in their past. Many Northern Whites were horrified to discover that some Southern slave owners had Black concubines. When Bostonian Josiah Quincy wrote an account of his 1773 tour of South Carolina, he professed himself shocked to learn that a “gentleman” could have relations with a “negro or mulatto woman.”
Lincoln considered Blacks to be—in his words—“a troublesome presence” in the United States. During the Lincoln-Douglas debates he stated:
“I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
This is not an exhaustive survey of prevailing opinions about whether the U.S. was to be intended a white nation. — Tate
Also, excotticus, if what you claim is true, why is it that so much of Wokesterdom is attacking the founding generation as white supremacists?
You are typical of so many civic nationalists who farcically make claims that concede nothing to those on the Left. You seriously undermine your credibility by doing so. This is why those such as yourself have lost every battle with the Left over the last fifty years. It’s because you don’t debate fearlessly & honestly. Do you seriously affirm that the founding generation didn’t believe in the supremacy of the white race, against all the evidence to the contrary?
Tate, I could have saved you a lot of time and trouble. I never said the Founders thought all races were equal. Some were slaver owners—jeez!
I’ve read many of these quotes before; they echo the sentiments of nearly all people at that time—whites and blacks alike. Even black tribes in Africa thought they were racially superior to other black tribes in Africa and enslaved them. And I mean full-on chattel slavery—not debt-based “servitude” that could be paid off.
But what is missing from all these quotes, and from all the letters, and from all the foundational documents, is a formal declaration that the Unites States of America is a nation for the benefit of white people—a “White Nation”. And the reason wasn’t because it was “implicit”; it’s because race wasn’t the foundational purpose of the union. What was? Go read the Declaration of Independence. After the prose we all find so inspiring, what we have is its real purpose: a long list of grievances with King George. The prose didn’t matter to the Founders; the grievances did. We didn’t send King George a philosophical treatise on the equality of all men; we sent a list of grievances to justify independence.
Sophistry, Ex. Culture is upstream of politics – including the Constitution. And our Culture valued our Breed. To put it more plainly, We loved Ourselves and wanted to remain.
As Christ said, the Sabbath was made for Man, not Man for the Sabbath. Likewise, the Constitution was made for a People (Ours!), not the People for the Constitution. Stop being ass backwards. Get your head out of your ass, stand up straight, and See the world as it is.
“See the world as it is.”
Janos,
…was….
The conquest of America and the construction of the United States was carried out by quasi-religious organizations, which can be arbitrarily called lodges, and the Democracy of the Founding Fathers was formed as a way of peaceful coexistence of these lodges, of which the the most influential was the lodge associated with the Church of England, the British monarchy and the Dutch West India Company, which was also a kind of lodge – now known as the Bush Clan.
The basis of this compromise was the gentlemen’s agreements of the leaders of the lodges which survived both the Civil War and the murder of several presidents, but could not survive the bastard feminism of Hillary Clinton, who obviously hates any gentlemanly attributes from the times when she worked as the Deep Throat in her free time from studies in Yale.
“Its getting dark Helen — say goodbye to mother”
Last words of Lester Gillis aka Baby Face Nelson, after being shot up in a gunfight with FBI agents outside Skokie, Ill.
Baby Face was hauling ass out of Wisconsin in his souped Hudson Terreplane after killing an FBI agent in the Little Bohemia John Dillinger raid. Baby Face, with his gunmoll wife at his side, spotted a carfull of 4 FBI agents coming at him from the opposite direction — instead of putting distance between himself and the agents he spun the Hudson around and pursued the Ford Roadster. A gunfight ensued (known thereafter as the Battle of Barrington), it was Nelson’s Winchester .35 cal autoloader against a BAR and S&W .38s. Baby Face ended up taking a 30.-06 round under his bullet proof vest after killing 2 FBI agents, clutching his Colt backup snubnose revolver.
Brh
If I was there, I would have lobbed German hand grenades at them. What do you call them again? I know you know!
Potato Mashers
And I have a story about potato mashers. I was about 8. There was an old barn behind my friends house across the street. It was locked, and his father told us stay out of the barn. So of course we had to find out why and one day we tunneled in. Turns out it was an old blacksmith shop abandoned about 50 years previously, all kinds of old tools and stuff laying around. On a bench was a green wooden box with German markings on it which we brought out with us. Inside were 6 potato masher grenades. We knew what they were from watching the show ‘Combat’ on TV. We showed them to my friends father, who was a Korean War vet. He didn’t freak out.
Nobody made a big deal out of it. They were live, from WW1, and upon further investigation more grenades were found inside the barn. He called our local state trooper who came over and picked them up. That’s the last were heard of it.
Brh
I once found two swords in our cousin’s house which we had bought. I showed them to my Dad and they disappeared forever. This is the tragedy of good boys. Imagine how much fun you and your friend could have had finding our for yourselves if they were live or not.
you need yr own site.
Denver’s City Council, Led by Democratic Socialist, Stuns For-Profit Prison Operators by Nuking Contracts
https://theintercept.com/2019/08/08/private-prisons-contract-denver/
“Two for-profit prison companies have lost major contracts in Denver over their work in immigrant detention, as backlash to President Donald Trump’s immigration policy continues to mount.
“The stunning $10.6 million rebuke to the two firms, CoreCivic and the GEO Group, was led by newly elected city council member Candi CdeBaca, who won in June on a radical platform backed by the Democratic Socialists of America. CdeBaca’s stand on Monday against the firms was her first major effort since being sworn in, and she expected to be a lone vote of dissent.
“Instead, moved by the plight of those kept in camps run by CoreCivic and the GEO Group, and galvanized by opponents — organized by CdeBaca — at the public meeting, the council delivered an unexpected 8-4 rejection, ending the firms’ contracts to run halfway houses on behalf of the city.”
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Led by a democratic socialist, Denver city council puts their money where their mouth is.
This is a good thing. For profit prisons are disgusting and inhumane and should be stopped. I agree with your sentiments! I am only saddened that this occurred because of the focus on immigrant detention. See this is where it hurts my feelings Elrond. Why doesn’t the for profit incarceration of American citizens cause enough anger to start this sort of action. Why is the sympathy only for foreigners? That is the part you will have to help me wrap my mind around. Why aren’t regular citizens worth it?
I’m glad you asked, SoftStarLight. The USA’s current for-profit prison model hardly sprung up overnight — it has very deep historical roots, going all the way back to slavery. (Yes, hold on to your hat, here we go.)
It’s said, incorrectly, that slavery has been abolished in the USA. In fact, the 13th amendment only established a new prerequisite for slavery, namely that the enslaved person must be convicted of something first. (“Except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted” is the phraseology.) Post-war business interests, mostly but not exclusively in the South, were not slow to take the hint. The result was the convict leasing system, whereby prisons would rent convicts out as work gangs to do exhausting and/or dangerous work. Employers could have a motivated work force (motivated by fear of punishments up to and including and death) for the cost of each man’s meals, about six cents a day.
Convict leasing has been called slavery by another name, except worse. Worse how? Slaveowners used to have a property interest in the people they kept in bondage, so it was in the owners’ interest that their bondsmen and -women have at least a rock-bottom minimum of physical welfare. Not so for the convicts, who were the prison’s responsibility. Convicts were kept chained in coffles, no different than slaves, and if any tried to flee the guards were under orders to shoot to kill. The dead man would then be replaced by another convict the next day. There being no reason for restraint (other than *snicker* human decency), convicts were routinely worked to within an inch of their lives and sanity. Any man who couldn’t take it anymore would simply drop his tools and wait for the bullet. There was always one more to take his place.
One of the more horrific examples of the inhumanity of convict leasing was the Cowee Tunnel disaster. In late December 1882, a coffle of 19 convict-slaves in western North Carolina were loaded into a boat to cross a lake to their worksite: a train tunnel, which they were carving out by hand. Due to recent rain and snow, the boat was several inches deep in slushy water-ice, which sloshed back and forth throwing it off-balance. Being ankle-deep in that water was the least of the prisoners’ problems, as their calls to the guards that they were in danger of sinking fell on deaf ears. That is, until one man went under and — being all chained together — dragged all the others, one by one, in after him. The dead men were found washed up downstream some days later, and buried in an unmarked mass grave.
The dead ranged in age from 15 to 57 years old. None were violent criminals; they had all been convicted of misdemeanours, the equivalent today of drunk driving or the like. The tunnel, by the way, was completed.
Things haven’t changed that much; the current for-profit prison system is simply what convict leasing has turned into, over the course of time. And as for the Denver city council withdrawing their business because of the ICE association? Personally, I’m always glad when people do the right thing for the right reason, such as opposing unjust policies because they’re unjust. But if they happen to oppose such policies for reasons I don’t necessarily agree with, I don’t look the gift horse in the mouth.
What you see as progress or whatever, I just see as the Left’s further politicization of all aspects of life.
It’s one thing to end a contract because you’re not happy with the terms and conditions or the fulfillment thereof. But to end it over ideological views irrespective of performance is just sacrificing the needs of the community for political gain.
What next? Should the city now end all contracts with Republicans? Anyone who doesn’t take an oath of loyalty to the Socialist State?
This will likely end up costing the area jobs, and lead to higher taxes and crime. It might even lead to legal challenges. But—hey—they really showed Trump. He’s clearly on his knees now.
And of course everybody knows in socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela and NKorea they run wonderful, humane prisons, almost like country clubs, not like the terrible private prisons in the US.
Brh
There you go with ‘politicization’ again. Sure, go on being stupefied that other people — maybe even a majority of people — object to things. You’ll get over it.
We’ll be sending our criminals to Canada, where you can put them up in the Ritz Hilton as honored revolutionary guests,
Brh
Better idea, let’s open the northern border and allow the horde to just pass through the US on their way to Canada. Oh yeah, the illegals already tried that once and after a very short while, were repulsed at the Canadian border. The Canadians were smart enough to know that to stop an invasion, you nip it in the bud.
Elrond, this is not a holy thing that Denver did. Denver is insane, I used to live there and it is insane.
This is a war in the making in the US, the individual responsibility faction against the socialist gimme people. If the “patriotic old school” folks win, Canada will probably be given a gift of millions of immigrants. You can do the right thing for the right reason as Canada will face the logistic problems of handling millions of people on welfare. Here is a hint, it will break you as it is breaking the US.
What Elmore was hoping you wouldn’t read (from the Intercept article):
THE COUNCIL’S VOTE was all the more remarkable because there were credible and sympathetic arguments against taking radical action. Some 500 people are currently in the four halfway houses run by CoreCivic and two run by the GEO Group, and are now at risk of being returned to prison.
“If we renew the contract, we’re supporting organizations that provide valuable services to more than 500 people and 140 employees,” said council member Chris Hinds, spelling out the dilemma.
Amanda Gilchrist, a spokesperson for CoreCivic, said that the firm would not immediately shutter and send its charges back to jail. “While several questions exist (about what happens going forward), we have agreed to keep our doors open to the clients we serve in the hopes of finding a resolution that works for everyone,” she wrote in an email.
Gilchrist also panned the City Council’s “deeply misguided decision,” which she said was “a result of political recklessness.” Judges will, for now, lose the option of sentencing defendants to halfway houses, making the alternative of prison more likely. More than a hundred inmates in prison who were due to arrive in GEO Group and CoreCivic homes are now in limbo.
GEO Group spokesperson Pablo Paez slammed what he called a “radical partisan political agenda aimed at abolishing ICE,” warning it would backfire. “This reckless action will face significant ramifications and backlash as Denver’s elected leaders took a leap backwards away from nearly 30 years of operation in the city with proven, evidence-based treatment.”
Paez also forwarded along two testimonials — one handwritten in pencil — from residents lauding the program. “While these best-in-class facilities in Denver have nothing to do with national immigration policies, politically motivated activists, and council members chose to reiterate the same lies and outright fabrications about our more than 30-year record as a government service provider that have led to the endangerment of our employees, of government employees, and the public,” Paez said. “Contrary to their deliberate mischaracterizations, our ICE processing centers are not overcrowded, have never housed unaccompanied minors, and provide the safest and most humane residential care possible.”
Apparently the collapse of American political system occurred already in 2000 and produced a toxic byproduct = the Deep State.
And only the selfless struggle of George W. Bush did not allow Hillary Clinton to bring his puppet Al Gore to the White House.
Moreover, I think that reminding Bill Clinton of the presence of a Russian nuclear triad from President Yeltsin on the eve of the 2000 elections greatly contributed to the decision of the Jeb and George Bush team to win, because when they were in Florida barricaded in Governor mansion after the election and waiting for Hillary professional killers of the corpse of the Flying Monkeys to be attacked ala Presidential Allende, they well understood that Yeltsin was not joking and their loss is the loss of all mankind.
And the fact that Yeltsin uttered these words in Beijing, sitting next to Chairman Hu Jintao, makes us recall once again who brought Putin to power and who was then the architect of the current geopolitics of the Russian Federation.
Someone assumes high office with the idea of not fulfilling their oaths to protect and serve the People but rather show that their Nation is unspeakably evil by giving away the store. Not that I think that’s what Merkel was thinking or doing, but Alba does. And someone like Alba is thus crazy and would be just as destructive as Merkel. Remember when Marxism was about getting the poor an equal share of the wealth and not some kind of debased Christian “blessed are the poor”.
Christ, in contrast, extolled the poor in Spirit, not the poor per se. They were to be helped, absolutely. But being poor in itself doesn’t make you holy. Needless to say, the Neo-Marxists have conflated these two ideas.
Neo-Marxists = Trotskyists
In 1920s, Trotskyists in Russia also proposed some crazy shit, like sharing women, children, etc..
Don’t think they went as far as same-sex marriages, though.
Janos, there is simply no limit to your deranged nonsense.
That all ya got? I win again.
I’ve given you many an award myself. I hope you’ve kept them on your mantelpiece.
Some things are too stupid to reply to.
Yes, the mantelpiece is full. No doubt your hope or plan is that I’m underneath it when it collapses on me. Truly your cunning is prater human in its scope.
Still telling me what I think…
‘No doubt’, ‘in other words’.
Just go away and concentrate on what you think.
That killing spree in LA, it was a Mexican with machete.
Not so much stabbing, as slashing.
I wonder if it was a vintage Collins Machete, made right down the road a piece.
Brh
ssssh…dont use the ‘M’ word.
would you believe I saw 3 fat, bare, black bottoms or azz cracks today?
Elite Forces Try, and Fail, to Arrest a Former President of Kyrgyzstan
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/world/asia/former-president-kyrgyzstan-arrest.html
Everyone shrugs in connection with the new revolution in Kyrgyzstan, the limit for which for Medvedev has been exhausted.
I don’t know anything about Medvedev and Kyrgyzstan, but his speech made me think that this Winnie-the-Pooh (Medvedev) has his mouth covered not with honey but in a pure shit, and that ex-president Atambayev was deprived of the title of ex-president in connection with the thefts, not comparable to the scale of the republic of Kyrgyzstan
And as additional information for reflection, I can add my fishing trip to Lake Issyk-Kul in the year 83-84, which left the impression that the Soviet regime was not there even then, unlike all other Central Asian republics, and to replace Communists came not Islam or even Islamism that, but Nizari Islamism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizari
And if there is a state in the world where Isma’ilism is the state religion, then this is Kyrgyzstan, and all Kyrgyz people are considered children of the Aga Khan, the head of the Nizari Ismaili order.
Meanwhile, this order was actually founded by the Old Man of the Mountain (not to be confused with FincaOnTheMountain) Hassan bin Sabbah, which I write about in the previous post and who is known in world history as the inventor of the school for the training of assassins, very reminiscent of the “crazy” sect, who staged mass executions in the USA in the past weekends.
And now Nizari-Ismaili are headed by Aga Khan IV, whose father, according to the remarkable Soviet novel “Giura”, first tried with the help of Lawrence of Arabia to blow up the dam on Lake Sarez and stop the Red Flood, or rather the flood of the Red World Project, then became a member of the Privy Council of the Queen and in 1937 the head of the League of Nations, from where on December 14, 1939 the USSR was expelled.
Now that’s The Conspiracy Theory for you!
That Hillary Clinton hired the entire country of Kyrgyzstan and the Ancient Order of Nizari-Ismaili Assassins by paying trillions of dollars to former president Atambayev to train mass shooters in the good ole US of A!
And now is a massive international man-hunt to recover the old know-how.
Not that boring shit about Jews, bankers and oligarchs!
Bonny and Clyde’s armory
Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR)
Sawed off double barrel whippet shotgun (prob a Stevens 311)
1892 Colt .38 DA revolver
Colt Model P single action army, .45 cal
Colt police positive .38 cal
Krag .30-40 carbine
Browning A5 12 guage shotgun
Clyde loved the BAR (who doesn’t?)
“I hate to bust a cap on a woman; especially when she’s sitting down.” –Texas Ranger Frank Hamer, after ambushing Bonnie and Clyde near the Texas — La border.
Your Bonny and Clyde do not come even close!
News.
ISIS is emerging again in Syria, estimated to be 16 to 18000 folks.
Whack a mole. The US must learn to finish a job before leaving. War is not a game, annihilation of the enemy is paramount to stop their re-emergence. Kings of the mountain are eternal targets to be knocked off. If the US wants order in the world, letting their enemies off the hook is a poor way to handle the job. We reconstructed Germany and Japan in our image after WW2 and that nation building exercise paid handsome dividends. Playing political games in Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan gives our MIC something to do I guess, because the moles just keep popping up.
In the meantime, millions of lives are lost to the games.
Forget about it.
It has been out of US hands for long time now.
You’d have to annihilate the Dar al-Islam to keep Syria (or any other Muslim nation) free of the weeds. Don’t think we’re up to annihilating 1.8 billion people.
Russian PM Medvedev gets an Order of Honorary Assassin from the hands of former president Atambayev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4oJBiZsqEc
During the Great Depression of the 1930s desparados didnt hesistate to stock up on some serious weaponry, Tommy Guns, BARs, Winchester semi autos, Colt 1911s … in the great recession 2008 what did desparados stock up on? Hotpockets? Cheetos? Craft beer? Consumed in moms basement, complaining about burdensome student loans, BA in Gender Studies hanging on the wall.
Brh
Be careful what pictures of yourselves you put on your FaceBook.
Appearance is a sign of a certain psychotype that is easy to manipulate.
FaceBook is an excellent tool for recruiting would-be assassins.
https://i.imgur.com/hTgJM2x.png
Clyde’s favorite car, hands down — the one he stole the most — was the Ford Fordor Model B Sedan, with the flathead V8, what a honey of a car that was, quick and durable, plenty of window space to shoot from, it could absorb hundreds of rounds and keep on going.
Mr. Henry Ford
Detroit, Michigan
Dear Sir
While I still got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one. For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got every other car skinned, and even if my business hasn’t been strictly legal it don’t hurt anything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8 flathead.
Yours Truly
Clyde Champion Barrows
Speaking of White Privilege….
During WWI many soldiers in the trenches died of “Trench Foot”, athlete’s foot induced gangrene. In the wet filth of the trenches, they couldn’t keep their feet dry. Rats were also a big problem in the trenches. A single pair of rats can breed up to 800 rats in a year. The water rats feasted on and lived inside the dead bodies. Dysentery was a huge problem in the trenches. A good crude primitive gas mask for protection is a spare army sock soaked in urine, in case you’re ever in a pinch and someone tries to gas you.
G. J. Meyer
A World Undone: The Story of the Great War, 1914 to 1918
The army sock soaked in piss is called the “White Privilege Mask” for nincompoops who are ignorant of History.
Another big killer in the trenches was sepsis, as penicillin hadn’t been invented yet.
Penicillin was discovered, right? Is it an ‘invention?’
Invented was probably the wrong word.
Wasn’t WWI basically just a manifestation of the European Class System?
The blacks get slavery and Pseudo-slavery, and the white lower classes get life in the trenches in WWI. When they run low on lower class whites as cannon fodder (as the Union did during the US Civil War), then throw the Freed blacks into the meat grinder as well?
For some strange reason, I’ve always been enamored with the romantic image of wave-after-wave of landing craft replete with obese fat Walmart shoppers eating Hot Pockets hitting Omaha Beach on D Day. The fat TV watchers are all pumped full of drugs to make them heroic as they’re eviscerated by the Germans’ machine guns. The landing craft pilots, as they lower the landing craft gates and the fatties are all blown apart, look bored as they’re eating Snickers Bars. The Germans are mentally confounded by the absurdity of the spectacle.
I find the idea of rats living inside dead human bodies distasteful. I knew insects did such things, but I had thought better of rats.
Wasn’t there a crazy, young, blond white woman on CNN after the El Paso shooting who said that life has changed for white males and that young White males can no longer expect a life of White Privilege and to be rewarded with a wife, a house with a white picket fence, a car, and a good job “just for being a white male”? True story….
Jesus….
When people are that ignorant…..
unz.com
Feel good article to read: 11 Rappers in Prison!
https://hiphopwired.com/playlist/incarcerated-rap-faces-11-rappers-who-are-currently-in-prison/item/11/
And here’s one more added for his role in a home invasion. He’s the one who rapped about being on the run and got 145 million views of YouTube!
19 year old Murderer Tay K sentenced to 55 years:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2019/07/23/teen-rapper-tay-k-sentenced-55-years-prison-home-invasion/1811147001/
17 shootings in Toronto over our holiday long weekend.
Of course the press will never name or describe suspects or their race.
You can guess but you know that will make you a racist….lol.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5728530/civic-holiday-weekend-toronto-shootings/
A$SAP Rocky got out though. Too bad.
‘Too Bad’ is a good name for you to rap under. White supremacy rap.
From the books “Dignity”, and Chris Hedges’ “America: The Farewell Tour” one gets the picture of a lot of pervasive pathologies in the society. For example, according to the author of “Dignity”, many people do drugs and hang out at McDonald’s because that “gives people a sense of community.”
I think that one probably should try to distance oneself from people? A lot of these young White blokes have grown up with dysfunctional mothers and surrounded by dysfunctional women and surrounded by Internet porn. Probably a strong undercurrent of Anger? Like Mary Shelley’s classic book “Frankenstein”….
“Dayton gunman Connor Betts’ depraved appetite for murder, drugs and Satanism is laid bare in series of chilling journal entries obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com.
The warped loner, 24, declares himself a servant of ‘evil incarnate’ and rants about everything from schizophrenia to satanic rituals and massacres.
He even hints at the idea of ‘hunting’ a victim to kill at the University of Dayton – writing: ‘We take a b***h, a person, man, convince them to come with us then poof, gone lol down?’
The frightening pages were revealed by a former friend who paints a confounding picture of Betts as a frequent methamphetamine smoker who played violent video games – but was never a racist or interested in weapons.
Betts finally acted on his murderous impulses when he went on the rampage early Sunday morning, slaughtering nine people and injuring a further 27 in Ned Pepper’s Bar.
His sister Megan, 22, was among the first to be killed before Betts was shot dead by police patrolling Dayton’s Oregon District. Six of his nine victims were African Americans.
As cops search for a motive, friends and acquaintances have come forward to speak of a troubled young man whose ‘dark thoughts’ scared even himself.
Have you noticed that Connor Betts has Pussy Lips?
How would you like to go out gunned down by a Satan-worshipper with Pussy Lips?
“What did the Gunman look like?”
“I don’t know. A white guy…. All that I saw was the gun and his Pussy Lips.”
Happy Nagasaki Day!
Wasn’t it the case that on the day of the Nagasaki Bombing that the weather was bad over Nagasaki and the bomber crew couldn’t find the target? So rather than risking flying back to home base with an armed, primed live nuclear bomb, they just said: “Awe, fuck it!”. And they dropped it anyway and missed the target. The bomb was called “Fat Boy”. I wonder where the bomb materials came from to make “Fat Boy”. The uranium used to make the Hiroshima bomb came from the Belgian Congo, which is a bit weird….
In the TV series “Breaking Bad”, Jesse Pinkman and his Meth dealer friends would meet over at the nuclear bomb museum in Albuquerque. In the TV show, Jesse refers to the meth made by Jesse’s former high school chemistry teacher, Mr. White, as “The Bomb”.
“I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with white men in any functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior, and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will destroy all his work. And so for any existing relationship or any benefit to this people, let white men, from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that you must maintain this status: you the master and they the inferior, like children whom you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”
-Dr. Albert Schweitzer
JS: Couldn’t have said it better myself. Before beginning his mission of mercy, Schweitzer was a Kantian scholar and a classically trained pianist, focusing on Bach I believe. He gave it up to help Blacks. A mistake – based on the above? Don’t know if thought so or not. A strong Christian.
Why go to Africa ?
Why even refer to another race ?
It seems too ambitious by half to me.
One hardly needs travel so far.
Alexsandyr Solzhenitsyn was one of the proverbial , ” Children of the Revolution ” and an officer in the Red Army , the vanguard of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
— How more steeped in egalitarianism could you be ? —
And yet when he was arrested by the Cheka —- How can you fall further down the social scale than to become a convict ? —
He thought nothing of obliging another unfortunate ( of the same race by the way ) to carry his heavy bag on the several miles walk to the train station to meet the train that would carry him to the jug.
Never mind for a moment Abraham Lincoln’s views on race .
Let us focus solely for a moment on his unequivocal American nationalism .
Prisoner exchanges , as bizarre as they may seem now , were common practice in 1860.
In 1860 most nations were not yet industrialized , or still insufficiently so , and so prisoner of war camps were logistically quite impractical , and so , predictably , repeatedly proved to be nasty and ghastly affairs.
This was well known .
To practice scorched earth against an adversary for whom prisoner of war camps are already a highly unlikely stretch ?
The picture is even bleaker.
You don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict the likely consequences.
But then , Lincoln didn’t have to speculate , he was told what would happen.
Never the less , he ordered scorched earth , and he refused prisoner exchanges.
13,000 of his fellow loyal white Americans died at Andersonville prison alone , and not because the Confederates would have it so , but because he would have it so .
So ………… if , say , hypothetically , I let you starve to death and mired in your own excrement , I shouldn’t let it bother me so much ?
Because the important thing is superior and inferior ?
I get this image in my head of a sea of shit with an ugly fence around it , which is what Andersonville was , and scions of the master race up to their knees in that shit and singing the Star Bangled Banner , and I can’t help laughing.
But , yeah , you’re superior.
And the Devil help you with it.
—-
Anyway , you fuck over your own superior kind .
So , again , why even bother to go further than that ?
I think that Chris Hedges argues that WWI basically muzzled nascent Socialism in America. Did WWI have a similar function in Europe? Are they now trying to create conflict in American society now in order to quash similar murmurings of Socialism and anti-war sentiments?
Speaking of shoulders, Moscow Mitch broke his, reportedly from a fall. Rumor has it that he actually injured himself jagging off to pics of Moscow Vlad.
Moscow Nights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5SlUmCdXf0
After Bill Clinton started doing philanthropy work for The Clinton Foundation and flying to Africa and the Caribbean to help black people, Bill Clinton stopped seeing his Arkansas skanks, like Jennifer Flowers and that other Arkansas skank with the big nose.
Paula Jones
Collage:
Image: A homeless bloke wanders through a Walmart parking lot and to his glee and satisfaction finds a discarded partially eaten cheese and beef flavored Hot Pocket.
In the background are Beto and anti-Trump protesters shouting : “Free the Kids!”; and “Stop the Hate!”
Walmart advertises its latest specials on essential human needs: beef jerky, canned pork and beans, disposable diapers and cockroach spray.
I love American canned pork and beans!
During the Great Patriotic War it was called “The Second Front” by the Russian soldiers.
I am sure that Russia will return a favor, and for 3 years while Americans will be fighting the Black Project, will send then lots of “Second Front” canned pork and beans.
I think that during WWII that the Yanks shipped a lot of canned beans in tomato sauce to the Brits? One of the Brits’ favorite foods today is canned navy beans in tomato sauce atop toast. I think that this dish is also popular with wino’s on Skid Row. I think that canned beans are very high in salt and sugar…and preservatives….
This is primarily for Green Alba. I’ve only scanned it thus far.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/world/europe/scotland-heroin-deaths.html
Sorry, it looks like you would have to jump through some hoops to get to this article.
She probably cant jump thru hoops, but may need to.
Me, I saw 3 bare fat black behinds, today. Pants down.
I know, Q, it’s the Trainspotting generation with their organs starting to pack up. I’ve spoken of them on here before. Some people turn to shooting up their neighbourhood; others just hide in a back court and shoot up in other ways. It used to be Edinburgh that was the drugs capital. Must be that the services have improved as now it’s Glasgow (the old stab capital). But I’ll read the article properly later as I have to go out. I don’t think it’s going to tell me anything I don’t know already though. My other half has to deal with these people not infrequently, when they drop by the out-of-hours GP service at night to plead that they’ve lost their methadone or whatever (OOH docs are strictly not allowed to give them anything. If you ‘lost’ your methadone you ‘lost your’ methadone. Maybe next time you won’t ‘lose’ it.)
” Or maybe you equate ‘people’ with ‘governments’, but that would really surprise me. ”
Hey , when you are right , you are right.
And you are right here.
As I have pointed out before , my country —- doesn’t even exist anymore.
My country —- is a historical footnote .
My country —— somebody else got to write the history book.
But , I’m obliged to talk to people for whom country is more like the air they breathe , or the room they sit in.
Communication , then , and right from the start , is problematical.
“Except you’d find, in many cases, that many of the same people who are horrified by the proliferation of gun crime in the US are the same people who object to and protest against their own government’s sale of weapons to places like Saudi Arabia, China, or Indonesia when it was committing genocide in East Timor. ”
I find , in many cases , that many of the same people who are horrified by gun crime — which they have only ever seen on TV —- are the same people who think there is a difference between a human being with an AK -47 ,
And a human being in a funny costume , with some obligatory classes , an Ouija – Board Polygraph test , a background check , and an AK – 47.
this strikes me as magical thinking .
Because , in my experience , or in my twisted view ( ? ) , for example , the big difference between American police and East German Police was …..
….that East German police dressed prettier.
And that’s about it.
Gun laws ?
well, I was ten years old when i left East Germany , but I have been told East German gun laws were pretty strict.
You would never know that from my memories though.
Because , never the less , among the things I remember from those days are teenage girls strolling down the street with AK – 47’s. ( Frei Deutschen Jugend — a para – military , communist , equivalent of the Girl Scouts. )
And Fincalm doesn’t have to tell me what T – 55’s and D – 30’s are .
More than once I saw those rolling down the street too.
But , no , I don’t right off hand recall any school shootings in East Germany in my time there.
— On the other hand , I have been in the U.S. 40 years and have never seen a school shooting here , either —- except on TV .
—- just like I never saw any Stassi or Grenztruppen shootings when I was there , but only saw them — on TV —- when I left there.
Where I HAVE commonly seen crimes , or even atrocities , in BOTH countries , I typically never saw a word in any newspaper , much less on TV , in EITHER country.
By the way , while I’m at it , I’ll throw in that I’m comparing a country you could walk across in four ( ? ) days , to a country that covers four time zones.
Maybe that factor has some relevance ??
” …..British , hypocritical condescension on the subject of guns.”
Actually , I was , myself , being more than a bit hypocritical.
What was really on my mind was that It irks the shit out of me that , as I view it , no party has more manipulated , or generally screwed , the United States or the American people , than those it fancies are its friends . Most specifically , and as specifically as I can put it , the British Empire , now Ex – British Empire.
It irks the shit out of me that they divorced these people , and you never hear the end of that affair either , yet have afterwards spent 200 years sucking up to them.
Yet routinely kick other nations and peoples they scarce know anything about , have no real interest in , and are of practically no concern of theirs anyway.
It irks the shit out of me that they are so concerned about Nottingham , but don’t really give a damn about Kabul or Saigon , when actually their ancestors came from Prague , and so have no more real relation to Robin Hood than they do to Bat Man.
Anyway , no , actually , I wasn’t really the slightest bit concerned about whether the British are , or are not , hypocritical.
and , generally , I think British gun laws are about as relevant or not to the issue as are Afghan gun laws.
My view on American gun laws is that they are the business of Americans. I still think they pay a heavy price, but if they’re willing to pay it, it’s their business. And you’re right, there are many more people in Yemen, just as an example, dying from both British and American weapons.
Your bit about sucking up to the UK amazes me, since from where I’m standing we’re your poodle, and will be even more so after Brexit. I’ve said many times that the UK is the only country I’ve ever seen constantly sucking up to its ex-colony and standing beside it in its wars (although it’s widely thought here that Tony Blair was well rewarded for making us your poodle, as will be the corporate interests post Brexit).
Not that I either approved its colonial status or my country’s colonial past in any way, not being around at that time.
The size of the weapons industry in my country and the lack of conscience of those who sell the arms makes me sick, but for the ordinary people who work in it, it’s a job, just as it is in the US.
When I used to be more active in Amnesty, a couple of decades ago, public pressure managed to stop the sale to America of er…’cattle prods’, and ankle bracelets (both presumably for American prisons). Small victories, but the war is unlikely to be won. I mean what do small ex-empires do when they have nothing left in the ground to mine and no empire to supply them with raw materials otherwise to keep any major industry going? And can’t compete with Asia? And happen to be good at designing and manufacturing a grotesque product that always sells and about which they can always say ‘if we didn’t sell them, someone else would’, e.g. the US or France. And live from finance too. For now. That’s too simplistic, as many useful things are still made, but still…
But it’s good that you don’t confuse people and governments, as I knew you didn’t.
Jesus, you’d think the gang — Bonnie, Clyde, Buck, Blanche, WD — would lay low holed up in their hideout in Joplin, Mo., after all they’d already murdered at least 9 police officers and 3 civilians and commited dozens of robberies, including National Guard armories, but no, crazy kids that they were, they raised hell, drinking beer and playing poker all night, disturbing the neighborhood. Cops were called, the place was surveilled, and a ferocious gunfight ensued. Here’s a case showing the supremacy of the .30-06 BAR over the .45 cal tommy gun, as Clyde almost single handedly sent about a dozen police officers scurrying. But it was the beginning of the end, Buck caught a round to the head, Blanche and Bonnie were wounded.
Clyde: Bonnie, what’s for breakfast?
Bonnie: Hot Pockets.
Clyde: goddamit I want steak and eggs!
Brh
I decided to spend some time listening to witnesses on the ground at the El Paso mayhem event, and it is pretty evident to me that there was more than one shooter. Probably four total.
The guy who was caught simply did not go in with enough ammo to do what was done. Even if he had a few extra clips in the pockets of his cargo pants it wasn’t enough. He also is not an accomplished shooter. Didn’t have the AK very long. No skilled training or practice. Keeping clips in side pockets of cargo pants isn’t efficient, if that’s what some will try to say. It would’ve been hard to change them out quickly when you want to kill many fast. It also would’ve given someone a chance to rush and tackle him while changing out clips. He didn’t do the double banana clip method, which is also what a skilled AK user hell bent on quick destruction would’ve done.
I have to say that the official narrative right now doesn’t add up.
The beauty of Kalashnikovs is that you don’t need a lot of practice. Its what the ‘Child Soldiers’ plaguing Africa use, 12 year old deadly killers.
Brh
What I’m talking about is the ability to smoothly change clips and be effective. Yes pretty much any moron can kill people with an AK. But it takes some practice and skill to do what this guy allegedly did by himself. If he had extra clips the only place he could’ve kept them is in the side pockets of his cargo pants. If they were cargo pants and it appears that they were. I’m going by the picture. Plus, too many people there said they saw close up shooters in full black including covered faces. The guy caught had khaki pants with no face cover. He, according to the still shot entering the store, was wearing shooting range style ear protectors. None of the interviewed witnesses so far reported seeing this.
Anyway, unlike Dayton the FBI has totally taken over the El Paso “investigation”. We’ll never see the real Wal Mart security videos now. Of course most Americans don’t question how illegal it is for the FBI to wrest total control over El Paso. The alleged shooter didn’t cross state lines. He allegedly bought the gun in Texas. So the FBI has no jurisdiction technically. They can assist local authorities as advisers, but not take over.