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Welcome to the world where things don’t add up. For instance, some people did some things to the Saudi Arabian oil refinery at Abqaiq over the weekend. Like, sent over a salvo of cruise missiles and armed drone aircraft to blow it up. They did a pretty good job of disabling the works. It is Saudi Arabia’s largest oil processing facility, and for now, perhaps months, a fair amount of the world’s oil supply will be cut off. President Trump said “[we] are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!” Exclamation mark his.

How many times the past few years has our government declared that “we have the finest intelligence services in the world.” Very well, then, why are we waiting for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to tell us who fired all that stuff into Abqaiq? Whoever did it, it was unquestionably an act of war. And, of course, what are we going to do about it? (And what will some people do about it?)

Let’s face it: the USA has had a hard-on for Iran for forty years, ever since they overthrew their shah, invaded the US embassy in Tehran, and took fifty-two American diplomats and staff hostage for 444 days. On the other hand, the Arabians and Iranians have had a mutual hard-on for centuries, long before the Saud family was in charge of things, and back when Iran was known as Persia, a land of genies, fragrant spices, and a glorious antiquity (while Arabia was a wasteland of sand populated by nomads and their camels).

The beef was formerly just about which brand of Islam would prevail, Sunni or Shia. Lately (the past fifty years) it has been more about the politics of oil and hegemony over the Middle East. Since the US invaded Iraq and busted up the joint, the threat has existed that Iran would take over Iraq, with its majority Shia population, especially the oil-rich Basra region at the head of the Persian Gulf. The presence of Israel greatly complicates things, since Iran has a hard-on for that nation, too, and for Jews especially, often expressed in the most belligerent and opprobrious terms, such as “wiping Israel off the map.” No ambiguity there. The catch being that Israel has the capability of turning Iran into an ashtray.

The world has been waiting for a major war in the Middle east for decades, and it might have one by close of business today. Or perhaps some people will do nothing. The Iran-backed Houthi rebels of Yemen supposedly claimed responsibility for the attack. That’s rich. As if that rag-tag outfit has a whole bunch of million-dollar missiles and the knowledge and capacity to launch them successfully, not to mention the satellite guidance mojo. A correspondent suggests that the missiles were fired from a pro-Iranian military base in Iraq, with the Houthis brought in on flying carpets to push the launch buttons.

President Trump is trumpeting America’s “energy independence,” meaning whatever happens over there won’t affect us. Well, none of that is true. We still import millions of barrels of oil a day, though much less from Saudi Arabia than before 2008. The shale oil “miracle” is hitting the skids these days. Shale oil production has gone flat, the rig-count is down, companies are going bankrupt, and financing for the debt-dependent operations is dwindling since the producers have demonstrated that they can’t make a profit at it. They’re trapped in the quandary of diminishing returns, frontloading production, while failing to overcome steep decline curves in wells that only produce for a couple of years.

It’s also the case that shale oil is ultra-light crude, containing little heavier distillates such as diesel and aviation fuel (basically kerosene). Alas, American refineries were all built before shale oil came along. They were designed to crack heavier oil and can’t handle the lighter shale. The “majors” don’t want to invest their remaining capital in new refineries, and the many smaller companies don’t have the ability. So, this makes necessary a high volume of oil swapping around the world. Without diesel and aviation fuel, US trucking and commercial aviation has a big problem, meaning the US economy has a big problem.

With the new crisis in the Middle East, benchmark West Texas Intermediate oil is up from around $55-a-barrel to just over $60 at the market open (European Brent crude is just above $70). That’s a pop, but not a spectacular one, considering that a whole lot more damage might ensue in the days ahead. China, Korea, and Japan stand to lose bigly if the players in the Middle East really go at it and bust up each other’s assets. If that happens, the world will never be the same. You can kiss the global economy goodbye for good. Let’s hope some people don’t do something.


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  1. Neon Vincent September 16, 2019 at 9:56 am #

    “Arabia was a wasteland of sand populated by nomads and their camels” — I was reminded of what you said in “The End of Suburbia” about “all it takes is 50 pounds of plastic explosive and a camel to take out a pipeline.” This is very similar, although it was some cheap drones and a facility more sophisticated than a mere pipeline. Still, the concept applies.

    All this takes place as the United States is fixing to tip into recession anyway, something the yield curve, “the chart that predicts recessions” is already telling us. A good old-fashioned oil price shock would do the trick.

    Meanwhile, the Retail Apocalypse rolls on, as GameStop announced it was losing money and closing stores.

    • TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:07 am #

      I think if Trump “does nothing” overt it will actually give the international community a sense that America, under this president, has returned to noninterventionist politics. That may be a good thing.

      • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

        This could very well be a US/Israeli deep state provocation to test that very theory and put it under pressure.

        • Dunewalker September 16, 2019 at 10:32 am #

          This event seems eerily similar to some of the recent US mass shootings. What does that tell us?

          • Anon1970 September 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

            How about not so recent events. Like the US embargo of oil exports to Japan in August 1941. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor about 4 months later. Has Trump been looking for an excuse to attack Iran ever since he puled the US out of the Iran nuclear agreement?

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill September 16, 2019 at 10:36 am #

          Yeah, it makes you wonder about what’s really going on and who is really pulling the strings and for what outcome? Like so many of these types of incidents, you can probably bet that the official story we are told will be a lie.

        • Soloview September 16, 2019 at 11:20 am #

          Yeah, right, and the Houthis claim responsibility for it!

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 11:29 am #

          Any chance this ‘other peoples kids’ stuff could bring an end to the murder of Yemenis or at least make the murder known? Perhaps there is an outside possibility someone at war with SA actually did the droning as they claimed instead of the more convenient and self serving explanation.

          This is my opinion.

          I titled it War Crimes.

        • outsider September 16, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

          Trump fires Bolton and within days this happens. Is there a connection? Is this the deep state’s way of saying there will be no turn toward peace?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

            I wish flies on the wall carried little smart phones. Then the deep state could listen to the deep state.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:08 am #

        Huh? Surely you don’t mean the “noninterventionist politics” of Obama, who’s private drone army killed thousands.

        Of course we’ll respond. Of course our response will come at a time and place of our choosing. And of course our response will be measured and appropriate.

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 5:05 pm #

          Measured and appropriate. That almost sounds like it means something. It will cause a psychopath to cut wind for sure. Murder as appropriate because gas could cause a nickel more a gallon. it does not give me pause. The murders for cheap gas that go on everyday gives me pause.

          • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

            Hypocrite: someone who’s lifestyle depends on cheap oil, yet criticized all the people and processes that make that happen.

            Murder? What about those murdered in the Saudi oil drone strike? Or do their lives not count?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm #

            Do you have a list. Of course they count. Everybody counts except to people who ignore what is going on. Such people I’ll call no count and of them there are too many to count.

            I don’t think you even know if the attack killed anybody. It is hard to believe it did not. But did you put that out there without even knowing? Fess up. How many?

  2. TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:03 am #

    Some people won’t do anything! The Golden Golem won’t start a war before an election. If he does, Biden will finish it.

    • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:19 am #

      Hard to imagine Biden finishing anything. Even coherent sentences are coming difficult these days for the old codger. Could be a remake of Weekend at Bernie’s if Ol’ Uncle Joe manages to worm his way in to the Whore House.

      • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:40 am #

        Biden wasn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer in his prime. Now he can’t remember what state he’s in, and thinks Margaret Thatcher is still the British PM. The article below is from The Washington Post – his friends. Imagine what his enemies have to say about him!

        washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-biden-isnt-just-a-gaffe-machine-hes-the-lamborghini-of-gaffes/2019/0…

        He announced that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” He located the El Paso and Dayton mass-shootings in “Houston” and “Michigan.” He recalled a visit with survivors of the 2018 Parkland shooting — before the shooting happened.

        He confused “Margaret Thatcher” with Theresa May and Angela Merkel, referred to the Second Amendment as the First, tripled the number of casualties of the 1970 Kent State shooting and mixed up his campaign website with a text-message code. At the Iowa State Fair, he thundered: “We choose truth over facts!”

        He proclaimed Barack Obama “the first African American in the history of the United States.” During a rally, he called attention to “a three-letter word: jobs.” He once introduced his running mate as “Barack America

        Biden once said to a paralyzed man in a wheelchair: “Stand up, Chuck.” He mourned one woman (“God rest her soul”) who hadn’t died. He described Obama as “the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

        He disclosed that Franklin D. Roosevelt went on television in 1929, before TV existed. He predicted that if Obama were elected, “we’re going to have an international crisis.” He declared that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” for vice president. He reported that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven .?.?. unless you have a slight Indian accent.” He frankly told one audience: “You all look dull as hell.”

        • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:15 am #

          Yeah, he just has the good looks, a warm hand, and a willingness to kiss babies. Isn’t that enough?

          Actually, he has a bit of low level commonsense that constantly gets him in trouble since it’s at odds with the Ideology and Narrative. He said a few days ago, Blacks don’t know how to raise their kids – and obvious truth from our perspective. Another time he extolled shotguns for self defense – also correct.

          • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            I found this online,

            Derrel Carter,

            I watched a YouTube video two days ago by Fellow named David Goldberg (a Very Proud Jewish fellow) that was bragging loudly about POTUS having converted to judaism over two years ago and being admitted into the CHABAD organization of the Hasidim’s.

            Same group that Kushner is supposed to belong to. The video disappeared completely yesterday & then I found out the fellow died mysteriously the same day?

            The CHABAD do not seem to be very nice folks based on what little I can find out so far?

          • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            One of the guys from SNL said something similar, not on the show in a skit, but while being interviewed.

            Don’t know, but that’s very interesting.

          • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            The Coen brothers keep inserting positive messages about Chabad into their Fargo TV series along with an occasional Jewish angelic character. I don’t know what it means, just thought I’d mention it.

        • BornToKillPeace September 16, 2019 at 4:59 pm #

          Frontotemporal Cubist Joe

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:51 am #

      They know Trump doesn’t want a hot war of any kind, which is part of the reason they hate him.

      It has already been publicly demonstrated that John Kerry, Brennan, and other globalist fools from the previous US administration have been working overtime to subvert US foreign policy on Iran — and working directly with Iran to do so.

      I would bet the farm that they are involved.

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:11 am #

      TDS! How is a measured response “starting a war”? It is the state that facilitated the drone attack that started this.

  3. Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Oh dear Jim.
    You too have fallen for the “Wipe them off the map” trope.

    It was simply never said. More BS á la Russia Gate.
    Methinks you Americans are swimming in so much BS you simply can’t separate fact from fiction anymore.

    thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-w…

    globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-ju…

    theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

    • Cavepainter September 16, 2019 at 10:26 am #

      C’mon Jeremy, lay off JHK; this whole confab is such a tangle you can pull at any of the dangling loose strings and come out with different conclusions — it remains anybody’s guess, even among the individual members of deep state operations (if that is what it is)? JHK still puts out as plausible explanations as anyone about all the current and historic seismic rumblings at play.

    • Helen Highwater September 16, 2019 at 11:06 am #

      Jim also failed to mention the events of 1953 when the US and the UK orchestrated the overthrow of Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, because he was planning to nationalize Iran’s oil. At that time Iran was a very different place from what it is today. The 26-year reign of the Shah, who replaced him as ruler, was so brutal that the Iranians had a revolution in 1979 to get rid of him. Unfortunately they didn’t go back to a democracy, but instead became a theocracy. Google pictures of life in Iran prior to 1953 and you will be very surprised. Imagine what a different country Iran would be today if the US and the UK had minded their own business back in 1953. In fact, the whole Middle East would be very different if the US and the UK could learn to mind their own business.

      • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 11:43 am #

        UK and US engineers and expertise developed Iran’s oil fields.

        Events in 1953 to install the Shah was a cold war action to keep Persia out of the hands of the Soviet Union. It’s easy to second guess decisions that were made 65 years ago.

        Brh

      • SpeedyBB September 16, 2019 at 4:48 pm #

        Just to note that His Holeyness the Ayatollah Khomeini was a guest of the French Republic he was quoted as stating on more than one occasion that the Iranians (meaning him) did not intend to install a theocratic regime to replace the Shah.

        If this is true it is an excellent example of Islamic taqiya (lying in your teeth to accomplish an objective – usually from a position of vulnerability).

        They place no value whatsoever on truthfulness. Look at the case of Khashoggi: deny, deny, deny, then when the surveillance by the Turks came out shrug and say ‘So what’.

        • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

          Khomeni made children hold hands and fan out across minefields to detonate mines. Said it was cheaper than minesweeping pro-style. The kids were armed only with plastic keys to heaven. Lovely gent.

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      Its interesting that you call out the Russiagate hoax, but then back your comment with two sources that promoted and continue to promote it.

      The Global piece focuses entirely on what was meant by “regime,” and smacks of the usual semantical games employed by propaganda hacks.

      I have no stake in the outcome, but I am not sure what this post is supposed to prove?

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We don’t need opinions about what he said or didn’t say. A simple YT search with “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad” will yield dozens of videos confirming that he did indeed make such statements. He’s justified them with false equivalence what aboutisms, with claims that wiping Israel off the map is no different than arguing for regime change.

      • Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 4:37 pm #

        Please do post a couple of the dozens on videos.

  4. hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:15 am #

    In light of the Pearl Harbor level of this event, the markets – stocks, bonds, oil, precious metals – are all very muted in their reaction, I’d expect to see a full-assed financial panic. Maybe they are waiting to see what direction events take.

    And for the record I suspect there is a false flag, globalist aspect to this attack. Seeing their empire of greed and sin falling, maybe they decided to take us all down with WW3.

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      Yes, there has been a laid back response in our media to last weekend’s events in the Middle East.

      Sunday morning political talk shows, local topic: new state laws to help men transition into becoming women. National: revelation that the new Supreme Court Justice showed his penis to a coed at a drunken college party. Calls to impeach him.

      That about sums it up. Did something happen in Saudi Arabia?

      Brh

      • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:57 am #

        RE: Kavanaugh, the story has already fallen down the Fake News well into oblivion.

        It seems the accuser herself can’t even recall the incident, and the entire thing was provided to the NYT by a Clinton lawyer with no first-hand knowledge of the situation.

        Yet another failure from the New York Times, The Paper of Refuse.

        • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

          The Senate spends oodles of money paying investigators and lawyers to write a 414 page report on whether or not college student Kavanaugh ever waved his male member in the face of a drunken coed who can’t remember that night.

          Am I the only one who finds this “The Theatre of the Absurd”?

          • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

            Not the only one.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:21 am #

        And if he had, that would have been fine, normal, etc.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        There was a time when CNN would have kept Saudi oil fields exploding on a loop for weeks. The degree to which the media manipulates public sentiment is now thoroughly transparent.

      • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

        My radio woke me up..it was on NPR or one of those…
        mentioning training for medical pros or laws for trans.

        sick.

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      How about 9/11?

      Boy were we resolved and going to destroy the Taliban and set the Afghans on the path to salvation.

      What a crock! Here we are 19 years later, still there. We have lost soldiers and real estate to the Afghan nationals for all of those 19 years. Al Qaeda is alive and well and growing, ISIS is still around, lran is more brazen than ever. Get it, we are losing the ME.

      • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

        When did “we” ever possess it?

  5. venuspluto67 September 16, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    I suppose the big question is, could (probably) small missiles fired from drones flown by non-state actors do the level of damage that was done to these oil facilities?

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:28 am #

      “We have the finest intelligence services in the world”

      They’re at their best apparently when they’re tracking down non existent Russian agents who colluded with President Trump to steal the 2016 election from the Clinton’s, and presenting false evidence to federal judges to get FISA warrants to spy on Republicans.

      Brh

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 10:54 am #

        The FBI and CIA are guns that have been aimed in the wrong direction for so long that they have forgotten who the real targets are.

  6. peter m September 16, 2019 at 10:37 am #

    moonofalabama.org/2019/09/damage-at-saudi-oil-plant-points-to-well-targeted-swarm-attack.html#more

    “The targeting for this attack was done with detailed knowledge of the process and its dependencies.

    The north arrow in those pictures points to the left. The visible shadows confirm the direction. The holes in the tanks are on the western side. They were attacked from the west.

    The hits were extremely precise. The Yemeni armed forces claimed it attacked the facility with 10 drones (or cruise missiles). But the hits on these targets look like neither. A total of 17 hits with such precise targeting lets me assume that these were some kind of drones or missiles with man-in-the-loop control. They may have been launched from within Saudi Arabia.”

    So it seems likely to be Iran had more than a hand in there. But what response? If you give your enemy no option but pile on sanctions and trying to destroy it economically what does the USA expect? Iran kneeling down and swallowing it? As the autor of the above peace says too: “Any direct attack on Iran would result in swarms of missiles hitting U.S. military installations in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Saudi water desalination plants, refineries and ports would also be targets.

    It is doubtful that Trump or the Saudis are ready to risk such a response.”

    What remains? I guess talk would likely work and the US having to acknowledge that their strategy to try to force Iran onto its knees after cancelling their participation in the JPAUC was the wrong move?

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:23 am #

      Do you want the oil exports from the Persian Gulf to be controlled by Iran? That is what is being threatened here. One small hit and 50% of SA oil exports stop. One more and it is gone? One hit on the Gulf oil terminal and poof, no more ME oil, period.

      If our intelligence community has done their job, the removal of the missiles would be a one day job.

      However?

      • peter m September 16, 2019 at 11:52 am #

        Iran never threatened anyone until the USA withdrew from an Agreement on nuclear weapon development. Iran never had signed any agreement to not develop conventional missiles – and why should they with a wealthy enemy like the house of Saud in the neighbourhood, who after all were the source of the 9/11 attacks, the source for financing Al Qaeda, the source generally for muslim fundamentalism in almost all shades and that can afford to buy any amount of weaponry it desires.

        iran did not attack Iraq, the converse is true with the USA supplying intelligence and the Europeans supplying chemical and likely biological weapons. Like the Russians who the USA had plans to destroy with atomic weapons right after WW2 the Iranians have no reason to trust anything the West promises.
        The Iranians have been victims as have many other Nations in the middle east of the rampant colonialism mainly by France and the UK, and have any reason after the destruction of their fledgling democracy in 1954 to not trust anyone from Europe or the USA who were involved in deposing Mossadegh.

        Your response just shows one thing clearly – most persons from the USA posting on many sites are completely oblivious to history of the region and the fact that history isn’t in the past, but continuous to the present with hundreds of years of baggage of colonialism.

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:18 pm #

          Verses what Persia did in the past?

          Pay back Iran is not the Persia of old but still thinks it is.

          Many of us are very aware of what was done to Iran for BP and are very aware of the proxy war Iran wages even now USING THAT EXCUSE.

          Don’t think for one second Iran is not playing games behind the scenes!
          Cyber wars and proxy wars Iran is simply to cowardly or smart depending on perspective to attempt open war.

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  1. Neon Vincent September 16, 2019 at 9:56 am #

    “Arabia was a wasteland of sand populated by nomads and their camels” — I was reminded of what you said in “The End of Suburbia” about “all it takes is 50 pounds of plastic explosive and a camel to take out a pipeline.” This is very similar, although it was some cheap drones and a facility more sophisticated than a mere pipeline. Still, the concept applies.

    All this takes place as the United States is fixing to tip into recession anyway, something the yield curve, “the chart that predicts recessions” is already telling us. A good old-fashioned oil price shock would do the trick.

    Meanwhile, the Retail Apocalypse rolls on, as GameStop announced it was losing money and closing stores.

    • TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:07 am #

      I think if Trump “does nothing” overt it will actually give the international community a sense that America, under this president, has returned to noninterventionist politics. That may be a good thing.

      • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

        This could very well be a US/Israeli deep state provocation to test that very theory and put it under pressure.

        • Dunewalker September 16, 2019 at 10:32 am #

          This event seems eerily similar to some of the recent US mass shootings. What does that tell us?

          • Anon1970 September 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

            How about not so recent events. Like the US embargo of oil exports to Japan in August 1941. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor about 4 months later. Has Trump been looking for an excuse to attack Iran ever since he puled the US out of the Iran nuclear agreement?

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill September 16, 2019 at 10:36 am #

          Yeah, it makes you wonder about what’s really going on and who is really pulling the strings and for what outcome? Like so many of these types of incidents, you can probably bet that the official story we are told will be a lie.

        • Soloview September 16, 2019 at 11:20 am #

          Yeah, right, and the Houthis claim responsibility for it!

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 11:29 am #

          Any chance this ‘other peoples kids’ stuff could bring an end to the murder of Yemenis or at least make the murder known? Perhaps there is an outside possibility someone at war with SA actually did the droning as they claimed instead of the more convenient and self serving explanation.

          This is my opinion.

          I titled it War Crimes.

        • outsider September 16, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

          Trump fires Bolton and within days this happens. Is there a connection? Is this the deep state’s way of saying there will be no turn toward peace?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

            I wish flies on the wall carried little smart phones. Then the deep state could listen to the deep state.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:08 am #

        Huh? Surely you don’t mean the “noninterventionist politics” of Obama, who’s private drone army killed thousands.

        Of course we’ll respond. Of course our response will come at a time and place of our choosing. And of course our response will be measured and appropriate.

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 5:05 pm #

          Measured and appropriate. That almost sounds like it means something. It will cause a psychopath to cut wind for sure. Murder as appropriate because gas could cause a nickel more a gallon. it does not give me pause. The murders for cheap gas that go on everyday gives me pause.

          • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

            Hypocrite: someone who’s lifestyle depends on cheap oil, yet criticized all the people and processes that make that happen.

            Murder? What about those murdered in the Saudi oil drone strike? Or do their lives not count?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm #

            Do you have a list. Of course they count. Everybody counts except to people who ignore what is going on. Such people I’ll call no count and of them there are too many to count.

            I don’t think you even know if the attack killed anybody. It is hard to believe it did not. But did you put that out there without even knowing? Fess up. How many?

  2. TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:03 am #

    Some people won’t do anything! The Golden Golem won’t start a war before an election. If he does, Biden will finish it.

    • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:19 am #

      Hard to imagine Biden finishing anything. Even coherent sentences are coming difficult these days for the old codger. Could be a remake of Weekend at Bernie’s if Ol’ Uncle Joe manages to worm his way in to the Whore House.

      • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:40 am #

        Biden wasn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer in his prime. Now he can’t remember what state he’s in, and thinks Margaret Thatcher is still the British PM. The article below is from The Washington Post – his friends. Imagine what his enemies have to say about him!

        washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-biden-isnt-just-a-gaffe-machine-hes-the-lamborghini-of-gaffes/2019/0…

        He announced that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” He located the El Paso and Dayton mass-shootings in “Houston” and “Michigan.” He recalled a visit with survivors of the 2018 Parkland shooting — before the shooting happened.

        He confused “Margaret Thatcher” with Theresa May and Angela Merkel, referred to the Second Amendment as the First, tripled the number of casualties of the 1970 Kent State shooting and mixed up his campaign website with a text-message code. At the Iowa State Fair, he thundered: “We choose truth over facts!”

        He proclaimed Barack Obama “the first African American in the history of the United States.” During a rally, he called attention to “a three-letter word: jobs.” He once introduced his running mate as “Barack America

        Biden once said to a paralyzed man in a wheelchair: “Stand up, Chuck.” He mourned one woman (“God rest her soul”) who hadn’t died. He described Obama as “the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

        He disclosed that Franklin D. Roosevelt went on television in 1929, before TV existed. He predicted that if Obama were elected, “we’re going to have an international crisis.” He declared that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” for vice president. He reported that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven .?.?. unless you have a slight Indian accent.” He frankly told one audience: “You all look dull as hell.”

        • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:15 am #

          Yeah, he just has the good looks, a warm hand, and a willingness to kiss babies. Isn’t that enough?

          Actually, he has a bit of low level commonsense that constantly gets him in trouble since it’s at odds with the Ideology and Narrative. He said a few days ago, Blacks don’t know how to raise their kids – and obvious truth from our perspective. Another time he extolled shotguns for self defense – also correct.

          • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            I found this online,

            Derrel Carter,

            I watched a YouTube video two days ago by Fellow named David Goldberg (a Very Proud Jewish fellow) that was bragging loudly about POTUS having converted to judaism over two years ago and being admitted into the CHABAD organization of the Hasidim’s.

            Same group that Kushner is supposed to belong to. The video disappeared completely yesterday & then I found out the fellow died mysteriously the same day?

            The CHABAD do not seem to be very nice folks based on what little I can find out so far?

          • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            One of the guys from SNL said something similar, not on the show in a skit, but while being interviewed.

            Don’t know, but that’s very interesting.

          • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            The Coen brothers keep inserting positive messages about Chabad into their Fargo TV series along with an occasional Jewish angelic character. I don’t know what it means, just thought I’d mention it.

        • BornToKillPeace September 16, 2019 at 4:59 pm #

          Frontotemporal Cubist Joe

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:51 am #

      They know Trump doesn’t want a hot war of any kind, which is part of the reason they hate him.

      It has already been publicly demonstrated that John Kerry, Brennan, and other globalist fools from the previous US administration have been working overtime to subvert US foreign policy on Iran — and working directly with Iran to do so.

      I would bet the farm that they are involved.

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:11 am #

      TDS! How is a measured response “starting a war”? It is the state that facilitated the drone attack that started this.

  3. Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Oh dear Jim.
    You too have fallen for the “Wipe them off the map” trope.

    It was simply never said. More BS á la Russia Gate.
    Methinks you Americans are swimming in so much BS you simply can’t separate fact from fiction anymore.

    thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-w…

    globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-ju…

    theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

    • Cavepainter September 16, 2019 at 10:26 am #

      C’mon Jeremy, lay off JHK; this whole confab is such a tangle you can pull at any of the dangling loose strings and come out with different conclusions — it remains anybody’s guess, even among the individual members of deep state operations (if that is what it is)? JHK still puts out as plausible explanations as anyone about all the current and historic seismic rumblings at play.

    • Helen Highwater September 16, 2019 at 11:06 am #

      Jim also failed to mention the events of 1953 when the US and the UK orchestrated the overthrow of Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, because he was planning to nationalize Iran’s oil. At that time Iran was a very different place from what it is today. The 26-year reign of the Shah, who replaced him as ruler, was so brutal that the Iranians had a revolution in 1979 to get rid of him. Unfortunately they didn’t go back to a democracy, but instead became a theocracy. Google pictures of life in Iran prior to 1953 and you will be very surprised. Imagine what a different country Iran would be today if the US and the UK had minded their own business back in 1953. In fact, the whole Middle East would be very different if the US and the UK could learn to mind their own business.

      • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 11:43 am #

        UK and US engineers and expertise developed Iran’s oil fields.

        Events in 1953 to install the Shah was a cold war action to keep Persia out of the hands of the Soviet Union. It’s easy to second guess decisions that were made 65 years ago.

        Brh

      • SpeedyBB September 16, 2019 at 4:48 pm #

        Just to note that His Holeyness the Ayatollah Khomeini was a guest of the French Republic he was quoted as stating on more than one occasion that the Iranians (meaning him) did not intend to install a theocratic regime to replace the Shah.

        If this is true it is an excellent example of Islamic taqiya (lying in your teeth to accomplish an objective – usually from a position of vulnerability).

        They place no value whatsoever on truthfulness. Look at the case of Khashoggi: deny, deny, deny, then when the surveillance by the Turks came out shrug and say ‘So what’.

        • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

          Khomeni made children hold hands and fan out across minefields to detonate mines. Said it was cheaper than minesweeping pro-style. The kids were armed only with plastic keys to heaven. Lovely gent.

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      Its interesting that you call out the Russiagate hoax, but then back your comment with two sources that promoted and continue to promote it.

      The Global piece focuses entirely on what was meant by “regime,” and smacks of the usual semantical games employed by propaganda hacks.

      I have no stake in the outcome, but I am not sure what this post is supposed to prove?

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We don’t need opinions about what he said or didn’t say. A simple YT search with “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad” will yield dozens of videos confirming that he did indeed make such statements. He’s justified them with false equivalence what aboutisms, with claims that wiping Israel off the map is no different than arguing for regime change.

      • Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 4:37 pm #

        Please do post a couple of the dozens on videos.

  4. hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:15 am #

    In light of the Pearl Harbor level of this event, the markets – stocks, bonds, oil, precious metals – are all very muted in their reaction, I’d expect to see a full-assed financial panic. Maybe they are waiting to see what direction events take.

    And for the record I suspect there is a false flag, globalist aspect to this attack. Seeing their empire of greed and sin falling, maybe they decided to take us all down with WW3.

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      Yes, there has been a laid back response in our media to last weekend’s events in the Middle East.

      Sunday morning political talk shows, local topic: new state laws to help men transition into becoming women. National: revelation that the new Supreme Court Justice showed his penis to a coed at a drunken college party. Calls to impeach him.

      That about sums it up. Did something happen in Saudi Arabia?

      Brh

      • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:57 am #

        RE: Kavanaugh, the story has already fallen down the Fake News well into oblivion.

        It seems the accuser herself can’t even recall the incident, and the entire thing was provided to the NYT by a Clinton lawyer with no first-hand knowledge of the situation.

        Yet another failure from the New York Times, The Paper of Refuse.

        • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

          The Senate spends oodles of money paying investigators and lawyers to write a 414 page report on whether or not college student Kavanaugh ever waved his male member in the face of a drunken coed who can’t remember that night.

          Am I the only one who finds this “The Theatre of the Absurd”?

          • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

            Not the only one.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:21 am #

        And if he had, that would have been fine, normal, etc.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        There was a time when CNN would have kept Saudi oil fields exploding on a loop for weeks. The degree to which the media manipulates public sentiment is now thoroughly transparent.

      • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

        My radio woke me up..it was on NPR or one of those…
        mentioning training for medical pros or laws for trans.

        sick.

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      How about 9/11?

      Boy were we resolved and going to destroy the Taliban and set the Afghans on the path to salvation.

      What a crock! Here we are 19 years later, still there. We have lost soldiers and real estate to the Afghan nationals for all of those 19 years. Al Qaeda is alive and well and growing, ISIS is still around, lran is more brazen than ever. Get it, we are losing the ME.

      • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

        When did “we” ever possess it?

  5. venuspluto67 September 16, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    I suppose the big question is, could (probably) small missiles fired from drones flown by non-state actors do the level of damage that was done to these oil facilities?

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:28 am #

      “We have the finest intelligence services in the world”

      They’re at their best apparently when they’re tracking down non existent Russian agents who colluded with President Trump to steal the 2016 election from the Clinton’s, and presenting false evidence to federal judges to get FISA warrants to spy on Republicans.

      Brh

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 10:54 am #

        The FBI and CIA are guns that have been aimed in the wrong direction for so long that they have forgotten who the real targets are.

  6. peter m September 16, 2019 at 10:37 am #

    moonofalabama.org/2019/09/damage-at-saudi-oil-plant-points-to-well-targeted-swarm-attack.html#more

    “The targeting for this attack was done with detailed knowledge of the process and its dependencies.

    The north arrow in those pictures points to the left. The visible shadows confirm the direction. The holes in the tanks are on the western side. They were attacked from the west.

    The hits were extremely precise. The Yemeni armed forces claimed it attacked the facility with 10 drones (or cruise missiles). But the hits on these targets look like neither. A total of 17 hits with such precise targeting lets me assume that these were some kind of drones or missiles with man-in-the-loop control. They may have been launched from within Saudi Arabia.”

    So it seems likely to be Iran had more than a hand in there. But what response? If you give your enemy no option but pile on sanctions and trying to destroy it economically what does the USA expect? Iran kneeling down and swallowing it? As the autor of the above peace says too: “Any direct attack on Iran would result in swarms of missiles hitting U.S. military installations in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Saudi water desalination plants, refineries and ports would also be targets.

    It is doubtful that Trump or the Saudis are ready to risk such a response.”

    What remains? I guess talk would likely work and the US having to acknowledge that their strategy to try to force Iran onto its knees after cancelling their participation in the JPAUC was the wrong move?

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:23 am #

      Do you want the oil exports from the Persian Gulf to be controlled by Iran? That is what is being threatened here. One small hit and 50% of SA oil exports stop. One more and it is gone? One hit on the Gulf oil terminal and poof, no more ME oil, period.

      If our intelligence community has done their job, the removal of the missiles would be a one day job.

      However?

      • peter m September 16, 2019 at 11:52 am #

        Iran never threatened anyone until the USA withdrew from an Agreement on nuclear weapon development. Iran never had signed any agreement to not develop conventional missiles – and why should they with a wealthy enemy like the house of Saud in the neighbourhood, who after all were the source of the 9/11 attacks, the source for financing Al Qaeda, the source generally for muslim fundamentalism in almost all shades and that can afford to buy any amount of weaponry it desires.

        iran did not attack Iraq, the converse is true with the USA supplying intelligence and the Europeans supplying chemical and likely biological weapons. Like the Russians who the USA had plans to destroy with atomic weapons right after WW2 the Iranians have no reason to trust anything the West promises.
        The Iranians have been victims as have many other Nations in the middle east of the rampant colonialism mainly by France and the UK, and have any reason after the destruction of their fledgling democracy in 1954 to not trust anyone from Europe or the USA who were involved in deposing Mossadegh.

        Your response just shows one thing clearly – most persons from the USA posting on many sites are completely oblivious to history of the region and the fact that history isn’t in the past, but continuous to the present with hundreds of years of baggage of colonialism.

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:18 pm #

          Verses what Persia did in the past?

          Pay back Iran is not the Persia of old but still thinks it is.

          Many of us are very aware of what was done to Iran for BP and are very aware of the proxy war Iran wages even now USING THAT EXCUSE.

          Don’t think for one second Iran is not playing games behind the scenes!
          Cyber wars and proxy wars Iran is simply to cowardly or smart depending on perspective to attempt open war.

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