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Welcome to the world where things don’t add up. For instance, some people did some things to the Saudi Arabian oil refinery at Abqaiq over the weekend. Like, sent over a salvo of cruise missiles and armed drone aircraft to blow it up. They did a pretty good job of disabling the works. It is Saudi Arabia’s largest oil processing facility, and for now, perhaps months, a fair amount of the world’s oil supply will be cut off. President Trump said “[we] are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!” Exclamation mark his.

How many times the past few years has our government declared that “we have the finest intelligence services in the world.” Very well, then, why are we waiting for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to tell us who fired all that stuff into Abqaiq? Whoever did it, it was unquestionably an act of war. And, of course, what are we going to do about it? (And what will some people do about it?)

Let’s face it: the USA has had a hard-on for Iran for forty years, ever since they overthrew their shah, invaded the US embassy in Tehran, and took fifty-two American diplomats and staff hostage for 444 days. On the other hand, the Arabians and Iranians have had a mutual hard-on for centuries, long before the Saud family was in charge of things, and back when Iran was known as Persia, a land of genies, fragrant spices, and a glorious antiquity (while Arabia was a wasteland of sand populated by nomads and their camels).

The beef was formerly just about which brand of Islam would prevail, Sunni or Shia. Lately (the past fifty years) it has been more about the politics of oil and hegemony over the Middle East. Since the US invaded Iraq and busted up the joint, the threat has existed that Iran would take over Iraq, with its majority Shia population, especially the oil-rich Basra region at the head of the Persian Gulf. The presence of Israel greatly complicates things, since Iran has a hard-on for that nation, too, and for Jews especially, often expressed in the most belligerent and opprobrious terms, such as “wiping Israel off the map.” No ambiguity there. The catch being that Israel has the capability of turning Iran into an ashtray.

The world has been waiting for a major war in the Middle east for decades, and it might have one by close of business today. Or perhaps some people will do nothing. The Iran-backed Houthi rebels of Yemen supposedly claimed responsibility for the attack. That’s rich. As if that rag-tag outfit has a whole bunch of million-dollar missiles and the knowledge and capacity to launch them successfully, not to mention the satellite guidance mojo. A correspondent suggests that the missiles were fired from a pro-Iranian military base in Iraq, with the Houthis brought in on flying carpets to push the launch buttons.

President Trump is trumpeting America’s “energy independence,” meaning whatever happens over there won’t affect us. Well, none of that is true. We still import millions of barrels of oil a day, though much less from Saudi Arabia than before 2008. The shale oil “miracle” is hitting the skids these days. Shale oil production has gone flat, the rig-count is down, companies are going bankrupt, and financing for the debt-dependent operations is dwindling since the producers have demonstrated that they can’t make a profit at it. They’re trapped in the quandary of diminishing returns, frontloading production, while failing to overcome steep decline curves in wells that only produce for a couple of years.

It’s also the case that shale oil is ultra-light crude, containing little heavier distillates such as diesel and aviation fuel (basically kerosene). Alas, American refineries were all built before shale oil came along. They were designed to crack heavier oil and can’t handle the lighter shale. The “majors” don’t want to invest their remaining capital in new refineries, and the many smaller companies don’t have the ability. So, this makes necessary a high volume of oil swapping around the world. Without diesel and aviation fuel, US trucking and commercial aviation has a big problem, meaning the US economy has a big problem.

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  1. Neon Vincent September 16, 2019 at 9:56 am #

    “Arabia was a wasteland of sand populated by nomads and their camels” — I was reminded of what you said in “The End of Suburbia” about “all it takes is 50 pounds of plastic explosive and a camel to take out a pipeline.” This is very similar, although it was some cheap drones and a facility more sophisticated than a mere pipeline. Still, the concept applies.

    All this takes place as the United States is fixing to tip into recession anyway, something the yield curve, “the chart that predicts recessions” is already telling us. A good old-fashioned oil price shock would do the trick.

    Meanwhile, the Retail Apocalypse rolls on, as GameStop announced it was losing money and closing stores.

    • TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:07 am #

      I think if Trump “does nothing” overt it will actually give the international community a sense that America, under this president, has returned to noninterventionist politics. That may be a good thing.

      • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

        This could very well be a US/Israeli deep state provocation to test that very theory and put it under pressure.

        • Dunewalker September 16, 2019 at 10:32 am #

          This event seems eerily similar to some of the recent US mass shootings. What does that tell us?

          • Anon1970 September 17, 2019 at 10:35 am #

            How about not so recent events. Like the US embargo of oil exports to Japan in August 1941. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor about 4 months later. Has Trump been looking for an excuse to attack Iran ever since he puled the US out of the Iran nuclear agreement?

        • TiredOfTheTreadmill September 16, 2019 at 10:36 am #

          Yeah, it makes you wonder about what’s really going on and who is really pulling the strings and for what outcome? Like so many of these types of incidents, you can probably bet that the official story we are told will be a lie.

        • Soloview September 16, 2019 at 11:20 am #

          Yeah, right, and the Houthis claim responsibility for it!

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 11:29 am #

          Any chance this ‘other peoples kids’ stuff could bring an end to the murder of Yemenis or at least make the murder known? Perhaps there is an outside possibility someone at war with SA actually did the droning as they claimed instead of the more convenient and self serving explanation.

          This is my opinion.

          I titled it War Crimes.

        • outsider September 16, 2019 at 4:20 pm #

          Trump fires Bolton and within days this happens. Is there a connection? Is this the deep state’s way of saying there will be no turn toward peace?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 4:41 pm #

            I wish flies on the wall carried little smart phones. Then the deep state could listen to the deep state.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:08 am #

        Huh? Surely you don’t mean the “noninterventionist politics” of Obama, who’s private drone army killed thousands.

        Of course we’ll respond. Of course our response will come at a time and place of our choosing. And of course our response will be measured and appropriate.

        • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 5:05 pm #

          Measured and appropriate. That almost sounds like it means something. It will cause a psychopath to cut wind for sure. Murder as appropriate because gas could cause a nickel more a gallon. it does not give me pause. The murders for cheap gas that go on everyday gives me pause.

          • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

            Hypocrite: someone who’s lifestyle depends on cheap oil, yet criticized all the people and processes that make that happen.

            Murder? What about those murdered in the Saudi oil drone strike? Or do their lives not count?

          • K-Dog September 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm #

            Do you have a list. Of course they count. Everybody counts except to people who ignore what is going on. Such people I’ll call no count and of them there are too many to count.

            I don’t think you even know if the attack killed anybody. It is hard to believe it did not. But did you put that out there without even knowing? Fess up. How many?

  2. TraffickingInDivinity September 16, 2019 at 10:03 am #

    Some people won’t do anything! The Golden Golem won’t start a war before an election. If he does, Biden will finish it.

    • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 10:19 am #

      Hard to imagine Biden finishing anything. Even coherent sentences are coming difficult these days for the old codger. Could be a remake of Weekend at Bernie’s if Ol’ Uncle Joe manages to worm his way in to the Whore House.

      • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:40 am #

        Biden wasn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer in his prime. Now he can’t remember what state he’s in, and thinks Margaret Thatcher is still the British PM. The article below is from The Washington Post – his friends. Imagine what his enemies have to say about him!

        washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-biden-isnt-just-a-gaffe-machine-hes-the-lamborghini-of-gaffes/2019/0…

        He announced that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” He located the El Paso and Dayton mass-shootings in “Houston” and “Michigan.” He recalled a visit with survivors of the 2018 Parkland shooting — before the shooting happened.

        He confused “Margaret Thatcher” with Theresa May and Angela Merkel, referred to the Second Amendment as the First, tripled the number of casualties of the 1970 Kent State shooting and mixed up his campaign website with a text-message code. At the Iowa State Fair, he thundered: “We choose truth over facts!”

        He proclaimed Barack Obama “the first African American in the history of the United States.” During a rally, he called attention to “a three-letter word: jobs.” He once introduced his running mate as “Barack America

        Biden once said to a paralyzed man in a wheelchair: “Stand up, Chuck.” He mourned one woman (“God rest her soul”) who hadn’t died. He described Obama as “the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

        He disclosed that Franklin D. Roosevelt went on television in 1929, before TV existed. He predicted that if Obama were elected, “we’re going to have an international crisis.” He declared that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” for vice president. He reported that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven .?.?. unless you have a slight Indian accent.” He frankly told one audience: “You all look dull as hell.”

        • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:15 am #

          Yeah, he just has the good looks, a warm hand, and a willingness to kiss babies. Isn’t that enough?

          Actually, he has a bit of low level commonsense that constantly gets him in trouble since it’s at odds with the Ideology and Narrative. He said a few days ago, Blacks don’t know how to raise their kids – and obvious truth from our perspective. Another time he extolled shotguns for self defense – also correct.

          • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            I found this online,

            Derrel Carter,

            I watched a YouTube video two days ago by Fellow named David Goldberg (a Very Proud Jewish fellow) that was bragging loudly about POTUS having converted to judaism over two years ago and being admitted into the CHABAD organization of the Hasidim’s.

            Same group that Kushner is supposed to belong to. The video disappeared completely yesterday & then I found out the fellow died mysteriously the same day?

            The CHABAD do not seem to be very nice folks based on what little I can find out so far?

          • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:31 am #

            One of the guys from SNL said something similar, not on the show in a skit, but while being interviewed.

            Don’t know, but that’s very interesting.

          • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 11:51 am #

            The Coen brothers keep inserting positive messages about Chabad into their Fargo TV series along with an occasional Jewish angelic character. I don’t know what it means, just thought I’d mention it.

        • BornToKillPeace September 16, 2019 at 4:59 pm #

          Frontotemporal Cubist Joe

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:51 am #

      They know Trump doesn’t want a hot war of any kind, which is part of the reason they hate him.

      It has already been publicly demonstrated that John Kerry, Brennan, and other globalist fools from the previous US administration have been working overtime to subvert US foreign policy on Iran — and working directly with Iran to do so.

      I would bet the farm that they are involved.

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:11 am #

      TDS! How is a measured response “starting a war”? It is the state that facilitated the drone attack that started this.

  3. Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 10:11 am #

    Oh dear Jim.
    You too have fallen for the “Wipe them off the map” trope.

    It was simply never said. More BS á la Russia Gate.
    Methinks you Americans are swimming in so much BS you simply can’t separate fact from fiction anymore.

    thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-w…

    globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-ju…

    theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

    • Cavepainter September 16, 2019 at 10:26 am #

      C’mon Jeremy, lay off JHK; this whole confab is such a tangle you can pull at any of the dangling loose strings and come out with different conclusions — it remains anybody’s guess, even among the individual members of deep state operations (if that is what it is)? JHK still puts out as plausible explanations as anyone about all the current and historic seismic rumblings at play.

    • Helen Highwater September 16, 2019 at 11:06 am #

      Jim also failed to mention the events of 1953 when the US and the UK orchestrated the overthrow of Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, because he was planning to nationalize Iran’s oil. At that time Iran was a very different place from what it is today. The 26-year reign of the Shah, who replaced him as ruler, was so brutal that the Iranians had a revolution in 1979 to get rid of him. Unfortunately they didn’t go back to a democracy, but instead became a theocracy. Google pictures of life in Iran prior to 1953 and you will be very surprised. Imagine what a different country Iran would be today if the US and the UK had minded their own business back in 1953. In fact, the whole Middle East would be very different if the US and the UK could learn to mind their own business.

      • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 11:43 am #

        UK and US engineers and expertise developed Iran’s oil fields.

        Events in 1953 to install the Shah was a cold war action to keep Persia out of the hands of the Soviet Union. It’s easy to second guess decisions that were made 65 years ago.

        Brh

      • SpeedyBB September 16, 2019 at 4:48 pm #

        Just to note that His Holeyness the Ayatollah Khomeini was a guest of the French Republic he was quoted as stating on more than one occasion that the Iranians (meaning him) did not intend to install a theocratic regime to replace the Shah.

        If this is true it is an excellent example of Islamic taqiya (lying in your teeth to accomplish an objective – usually from a position of vulnerability).

        They place no value whatsoever on truthfulness. Look at the case of Khashoggi: deny, deny, deny, then when the surveillance by the Turks came out shrug and say ‘So what’.

        • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:06 pm #

          Khomeni made children hold hands and fan out across minefields to detonate mines. Said it was cheaper than minesweeping pro-style. The kids were armed only with plastic keys to heaven. Lovely gent.

    • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 11:22 am #

      Its interesting that you call out the Russiagate hoax, but then back your comment with two sources that promoted and continue to promote it.

      The Global piece focuses entirely on what was meant by “regime,” and smacks of the usual semantical games employed by propaganda hacks.

      I have no stake in the outcome, but I am not sure what this post is supposed to prove?

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:24 am #

      We don’t need opinions about what he said or didn’t say. A simple YT search with “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad” will yield dozens of videos confirming that he did indeed make such statements. He’s justified them with false equivalence what aboutisms, with claims that wiping Israel off the map is no different than arguing for regime change.

      • Jeremy September 16, 2019 at 4:37 pm #

        Please do post a couple of the dozens on videos.

  4. hmuller September 16, 2019 at 10:15 am #

    In light of the Pearl Harbor level of this event, the markets – stocks, bonds, oil, precious metals – are all very muted in their reaction, I’d expect to see a full-assed financial panic. Maybe they are waiting to see what direction events take.

    And for the record I suspect there is a false flag, globalist aspect to this attack. Seeing their empire of greed and sin falling, maybe they decided to take us all down with WW3.

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:43 am #

      Yes, there has been a laid back response in our media to last weekend’s events in the Middle East.

      Sunday morning political talk shows, local topic: new state laws to help men transition into becoming women. National: revelation that the new Supreme Court Justice showed his penis to a coed at a drunken college party. Calls to impeach him.

      That about sums it up. Did something happen in Saudi Arabia?

      Brh

      • Nightowl September 16, 2019 at 10:57 am #

        RE: Kavanaugh, the story has already fallen down the Fake News well into oblivion.

        It seems the accuser herself can’t even recall the incident, and the entire thing was provided to the NYT by a Clinton lawyer with no first-hand knowledge of the situation.

        Yet another failure from the New York Times, The Paper of Refuse.

        • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm #

          The Senate spends oodles of money paying investigators and lawyers to write a 414 page report on whether or not college student Kavanaugh ever waved his male member in the face of a drunken coed who can’t remember that night.

          Am I the only one who finds this “The Theatre of the Absurd”?

          • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:07 pm #

            Not the only one.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:21 am #

        And if he had, that would have been fine, normal, etc.

      • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:33 am #

        There was a time when CNN would have kept Saudi oil fields exploding on a loop for weeks. The degree to which the media manipulates public sentiment is now thoroughly transparent.

      • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

        My radio woke me up..it was on NPR or one of those…
        mentioning training for medical pros or laws for trans.

        sick.

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      How about 9/11?

      Boy were we resolved and going to destroy the Taliban and set the Afghans on the path to salvation.

      What a crock! Here we are 19 years later, still there. We have lost soldiers and real estate to the Afghan nationals for all of those 19 years. Al Qaeda is alive and well and growing, ISIS is still around, lran is more brazen than ever. Get it, we are losing the ME.

      • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

        When did “we” ever possess it?

  5. venuspluto67 September 16, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    I suppose the big question is, could (probably) small missiles fired from drones flown by non-state actors do the level of damage that was done to these oil facilities?

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:28 am #

      “We have the finest intelligence services in the world”

      They’re at their best apparently when they’re tracking down non existent Russian agents who colluded with President Trump to steal the 2016 election from the Clinton’s, and presenting false evidence to federal judges to get FISA warrants to spy on Republicans.

      Brh

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 10:54 am #

        The FBI and CIA are guns that have been aimed in the wrong direction for so long that they have forgotten who the real targets are.

  6. peter m September 16, 2019 at 10:37 am #

    moonofalabama.org/2019/09/damage-at-saudi-oil-plant-points-to-well-targeted-swarm-attack.html#more

    “The targeting for this attack was done with detailed knowledge of the process and its dependencies.

    The north arrow in those pictures points to the left. The visible shadows confirm the direction. The holes in the tanks are on the western side. They were attacked from the west.

    The hits were extremely precise. The Yemeni armed forces claimed it attacked the facility with 10 drones (or cruise missiles). But the hits on these targets look like neither. A total of 17 hits with such precise targeting lets me assume that these were some kind of drones or missiles with man-in-the-loop control. They may have been launched from within Saudi Arabia.”

    So it seems likely to be Iran had more than a hand in there. But what response? If you give your enemy no option but pile on sanctions and trying to destroy it economically what does the USA expect? Iran kneeling down and swallowing it? As the autor of the above peace says too: “Any direct attack on Iran would result in swarms of missiles hitting U.S. military installations in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Saudi water desalination plants, refineries and ports would also be targets.

    It is doubtful that Trump or the Saudis are ready to risk such a response.”

    What remains? I guess talk would likely work and the US having to acknowledge that their strategy to try to force Iran onto its knees after cancelling their participation in the JPAUC was the wrong move?

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:23 am #

      Do you want the oil exports from the Persian Gulf to be controlled by Iran? That is what is being threatened here. One small hit and 50% of SA oil exports stop. One more and it is gone? One hit on the Gulf oil terminal and poof, no more ME oil, period.

      If our intelligence community has done their job, the removal of the missiles would be a one day job.

      However?

      • peter m September 16, 2019 at 11:52 am #

        Iran never threatened anyone until the USA withdrew from an Agreement on nuclear weapon development. Iran never had signed any agreement to not develop conventional missiles – and why should they with a wealthy enemy like the house of Saud in the neighbourhood, who after all were the source of the 9/11 attacks, the source for financing Al Qaeda, the source generally for muslim fundamentalism in almost all shades and that can afford to buy any amount of weaponry it desires.

        iran did not attack Iraq, the converse is true with the USA supplying intelligence and the Europeans supplying chemical and likely biological weapons. Like the Russians who the USA had plans to destroy with atomic weapons right after WW2 the Iranians have no reason to trust anything the West promises.
        The Iranians have been victims as have many other Nations in the middle east of the rampant colonialism mainly by France and the UK, and have any reason after the destruction of their fledgling democracy in 1954 to not trust anyone from Europe or the USA who were involved in deposing Mossadegh.

        Your response just shows one thing clearly – most persons from the USA posting on many sites are completely oblivious to history of the region and the fact that history isn’t in the past, but continuous to the present with hundreds of years of baggage of colonialism.

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:18 pm #

          Verses what Persia did in the past?

          Pay back Iran is not the Persia of old but still thinks it is.

          Many of us are very aware of what was done to Iran for BP and are very aware of the proxy war Iran wages even now USING THAT EXCUSE.

          Don’t think for one second Iran is not playing games behind the scenes!
          Cyber wars and proxy wars Iran is simply to cowardly or smart depending on perspective to attempt open war.

    • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 11:43 am #

      >>> If you give your enemy no option but pile on sanctions and trying to destroy it economically what does the USA expect?

      That’s a poor justification for a violent and deadly escalation.

      Cuba experienced crippling sanctions and learned to cope with them indefinitely. We never crushed Cuba, and they don’t have anywhere near Iran’s resources. So the idea that sanctions must lead to war is not in evidence.

      Iran had no options? Please. No one forces them to sponsor terrorism, and they could end it today. It would go a long way toward reestablishing normality with the world community.

      • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 2:54 pm #

        Oh pleeezeeeeeee, USSR was their welfare office.
        Cuba did collapse, with the collapse of USSR.
        However, Fidel kept a semblance of order in his police state as he fattened his Swiss Bank account.

        Invest in Cuba? Not for him.

        • Exscotticus September 16, 2019 at 7:06 pm #

          Wrong. The USSR supported Cuba until it dissolved. After that, Cuba was on its own. Well that was nearly three decades ago.

  7. JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:17 am #

    Lindsay Graham wants to destroy oil refineries in Iran. Huh?

    Why not destroy what the main threat is, the missiles. For sure, clobber the site that launched this attack. A MOAB would be appropriate. Then attack all of the sites, all of them. They are all in the southern areas of Iran and maybe Iraq and little human damage would be done turning these sites into ashtrays. We have allowed the buildup of missiles to happen under the wonderful Obama treaty and now we falter in fear of these missiles. No wonder the Iranians think they can get away with just about anything now. They think they have us over a barrel, so to speak, and this battle between them and SA will just continue to escalate. If the US does not defend SA and thus ourself and Israel, just at least stand out of the way and allow Israel to do the job. But then do not expect anyone in the world to ever respect the reliability of the US. The US will just shrivel up over the next decade or so.

    Oh, wait a minute, the way the US is going now, it is going to shrivel up into a third world country anyway. The Globalists are wearing big grins this morning as the rate of deceleration is increasing.

    The spine of the US voted for Trump in part to stop the foreign successes against the US. His future may depend on what he does in response here. Remember Desert Storm? Iraq trying to take Kuwait’s oil? Bush goofed by not taking out Hussein then leading on to W finishing the job. This area of the world respects one thing, power. These Muslims, especially Shia, will just keep coming back if they are not obliterated. Trump, you have the opportunity to show the ME that you will stand by your word. Once you have figured out who did it, obliterate their ability to do it again. If that does not stop them, obliterate them.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      History Lesson: Israel coveted the rich farmland of Southern Lebanon. Hezbollah divined their intent and began to dig in and continued to do for more than a decade. When the invasion began, they were ready and crushed the Zionist Imperialists. Likewise, Iran has been digging in for many years. It is by no means certain that we can destroy all their missile bases, John. Whether we attack or Israel does, Israel is going to take a lot of punishment. The Iranians have vowed no less. As you know from the the Project for the New American Century, there is very little difference between the two nations at this point. One serves the other. The Iranians have discerned this as well.

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:49 am #

        Janos

        If the area is worth going to war over, then losses will happen. If the US attacks Iran alone, they sure will not be firing much at Israel. But Israel will be right in there, getting their licks in, you can bet on it.

        If the area is worth fighting over, obliterate their defense capability and if that does not stop them, obliterate them. That is the no. One lesson of all our wars since WW2, we never win them and the enemy just keeps coming back. So either decide to take the lumps, win the war unconditionally, or stay the hell away.

        And do not expect to be a “superpower”.

        • hmuller September 16, 2019 at 12:15 pm #

          JohnAZ,

          All wars are banker wars. They use us; they deceive us, they murder us. They are pure evil and don’t give a shit about us. Reference: Marine Corps General Smedley Butler.

          I retired from the military and I have no sympathy for Jingoism.

          The Iranians need not be our enemies, but some parties (who will remain nameless) have manipulated the situation towards mutual hated and war. We need to wise up and see who the real enemies are.

          • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:16 pm #

            “All wars are banker wars”

            Dont forget the oilmen.

        • darrell dullnig September 16, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

          A whole lot of missing the obvious this morning…….

          The folks itching to establish the NWO, have been working feverishly for years to set up the perfect economic storm. Trump has been their go to guy, the dream player, better than HRC, for sure. She could have started all the wars they wanted.

          At some point, they decided to go with the collapse of the economic system upon which the whole world depends. Trump is really a talented guy; they could not have picked a better for their purposes. Posturing, tweeting and pimping for the oligarchs, one can hardly take ones eyes off the act he puts on.

          Wars(actually only rumors of wars) will keep our attention off the real killer until it collapses. Most people obviously have not dedicated enough time to realize just how effectively the world will shut down when the money system quits working.

          TPTB have no need of hot shooting wars between state players when they can just clean up after we the people have shot each other.

          IMO, that is the plan, and it seems to be working very well. The planned crisis is obviously near. Engineering the detonation of this bomb is undoubtedly ticklish; and of course, it might just blow up in their faces. We can hope that it does…….

    • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 11:35 am #

      Yeah what could go wrong with this plan? Iran’s only a little bit bigger and a little bit more sophisticated than Iraq and Iraq was a “cakewalk”

      Glad Bolton is gone, he was a real pussy.

      You can’t make this shit up!

  8. marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 11:24 am #

    JHK said “How many times the past few years has our government declared that “we have the finest intelligence services in the world.” Very well, then, why are we waiting for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to tell us who fired all that stuff into Abqaiq? ”

    Because they have a lot of money and possible hotel/resort contracts for the Donald in the future just like Putin. The Donald said it himself.

    • lax September 17, 2019 at 9:19 pm #

      Technically the Saudis are running the war so the US has to wait for the “leaders” in Saudi-land to give the green light for…whatever “they decide to do.”

      Sheeeeeeeuuuut.

  9. lost-in-north-dakota September 16, 2019 at 11:28 am #

    Apparently, it’s not to take out a refinery via drone. My guess is, that this ain’t the last one that is going to go up in flames. It’s the nature of that part of the world….someone hits, someone hits back, someone hits back, etc.

  10. wm5135 September 16, 2019 at 11:37 am #

    Gasoline thrown on a fire from an open container.

    “There are those who scoff at the schoolboy, calling him frivolous and
    shallow: Yet it was the schoolboy who said ‘Faith is believing what you
    know ain’t so’.”
    ? Mark Twain, Pudd’nhead Wilson

    “it was unquestionably an act of war” No Shit Sherlock

    Blankets infected with smallpox ain’t gonna do it this time.

    Either you are on the side of truth and justice or you are not. Time to choose.

    Fighting a man struggling to protect the life of his family is something entirely different from fighting a man who wants another cherry on his jumbo bowl of ice cream.

    • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

      Unilateral withdrawal from the JCPOA and then enforcement of an embargo on a country’s primary source of export income is an act of war.

      KSA with the US getting involved in another country’s (Yemen) civil war is an act of war.

      Get it straight about who started these hostilities.

      • RIB September 16, 2019 at 3:32 pm #

        Unilateral withdrawal from the JCPOA and then enforcement of an embargo on a country’s primary source of export income is an act of war.
        KSA with the US getting involved in another country’s (Yemen) civil war is an act of war.
        Get it straight about who started these hostilities.

        I guess you have no idea how the United States took great pains to ramp up it’s attempts to deter further Japanese aggression against China from 1937 to 1941 do you ,Marcus?. Yes, it was an OIL EMBARGO that “forced” the Japanese to attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. They did have a choice however: they could have gotten their asses OUT OF CHINA.

  11. Soloview September 16, 2019 at 11:38 am #

    This is no false flag, and it was Iran, no doubt! Some stupid hawk in Qum misread the departure of Bolton for American surrender of the Gulf and decided to put the theory to the test. That 60-plus hours later the US military has not wiped out major Iranian oil facilities and missile sites creates a more dangerous situation for the world than if it did! The crazy Qum strategist may come to believe in his genius and try some more demolition.

  12. JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:40 am #

    One thought.

    If the US is less energy dependent today and China, Japan and Korea are totally dependent on ME oil, why the hell are we alone fighting for Asian oil?

    We do have a long treaty history with SA.

    • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:43 am #

      USA pays to keep seas safe for importation of Chinese goods.

      GM opened plants in China, employing 50k workers. Why did GM get $ from bailout?

  13. malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:42 am #

    Barry n Jussie

    one guys thoughts,

    Rumors about Obama’s bathhouse days in Chicago, multiple photo ops with him & Jussie, and the fact that the call came from a former Michelle Obama aide to drop the charges, all kind of looks

    suspicious when you think about it. Why would the Obama’s care so much if some gay black actor got caught in made up a hoax if they didn’t have association with him other than some random meeting photos from a few public events?

    We never heard a peep from them getting involved during the Cosby case, or any other black criminal cases, so why this one, unless he used his “I’ll tell your secret” card to brush it away.

    It is just a theory, but I have worked around some wealthy, powerful people and have seen how things operate for them behind the curtain of the public eye. Marriages of convenience, cheating, gay husbands/wives who keep up appearances to get family wealth, ect. Nothing really surprises me any more when it comes to human behavior, maybe due to living in S. Florida for the last 20 years.

    • Q. Shtik September 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

      get family wealth, ect.

      maybe due to living in S. Florida for the last 20 years.

      ===========

      etc.

      You have claimed to live in more damn places than I can shake a stick at.

      • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 2:45 pm #

        2nd line–one guys thoughts…ie..I found it, dummy. go play gin rummy.

        • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 4:15 pm #

          Looking up last night where the Spawn Movie Ranch was. Up there on the NW edge of LA county. That LA county is huge, as big as my entire state.

          Not sure what’s driving it, more stabbing reports coming in each morning. A particularly tragic one, few nights ago, local girl marries Mexican National illegal to make him legal, he carves her up and she is now dead. Don’t get me wrong, club members and esteemed sanctuary city honored guest are still shooting the place up. But more and more they are favoring the blade. Why? I think because gun control is having an effect.

          Brh

          • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:42 pm #

            No knives are more personal.

          • Majella September 16, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

            Benr: the power of a comma when placed appropriately…

            “No, knives are more personal” is what you meant, whereas
            “No knives are more personal” is a lovely sentiment – I, for one, would rather get ‘personal’ with someone who has no knives about his person.

          • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:23 pm #

            White woman? please answer at bottom of thread, as I dont go thru all of it every day.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 1:55 pm #

            Maj: It’s not always all about what you want. That’s why guns were invented: to keep guys with clubs and pointy things from getting personal against one’s will.

  14. volodya September 16, 2019 at 11:50 am #

    JHK asks what are we gonna do about it?

    When you’re in the hurly-burly, it’s hard to fathom the direction of events. Later, with hindsight and some time to digest what happened, things get clearer. How did things look in June 1914 when Archduke Ferdinand got shot? How many people knew what was afoot? Home by Christmas they said.

    Well, it wasn’t so. The butchery didn’t stop until November 1918 and by that time, depending on who’s doing the counting, tens of millions of men had served in uniform and nine million died, millions more wounded, and that’s not counting the uncountable millions of civilian dead.

    So, what triggers the avalanche? Some hot-head shoots some inbred cretin aristocrat and look at what happens. What about this time? An attack on Saudi oil facilities? But who dunnit? The Saudis are pointing at Iran, they’re saying the attack came from Iranian soil. So, the question is this, if this was an act of war by Iran on Saudi Arabia, what are the SAUDIS gonna do about it?

    It wasn’t until the late 1960s that the American foreign policy brain-trust thought to get the South Vietnamese to do their own fighting. “Vietnamization” it was called. A reasonable man might reasonably ask why the fuck would American boys be sacrificed for the cause of South Vietnamese independence if South Vietnamese themselves weren’t willing to fight for it?
     
    I bring it up in this case because without a stitch of doubt in my mind it will be US forces being required to do the heavy lifting if it comes to some serious shootin’ over this attack, with Americans getting killed and not Saudis. 

    So, who REALLY did it? Does anybody believe ONE word the Saudis say? What about the lyin’ bastards in the US government? Yeah, I know, ten American intel agencies will raise their right hand and solemnly and positively swear it was these guys or those guys. Anybody believe ONE word they say? 

  15. Robert White September 16, 2019 at 12:00 pm #

    Sabotage of Saudi cartel oil and their lock on OPEC would only truly be manifesting via False Flag event given that it is not in the interests of any Middle East sovereign to undermine the already frail OPEC cartel when oil per barrel is at the lowest point of profit for the speculative investor class since global deflation set in to yield Secular Stagnation post-Lehman debacle.

    Oil per barrel dipped a few days ago and then Bibi pronounced yet another attack on the West Bank & Gaza as part of his electoral gambit for re-election for the umpteenth time.

    The False Flag attack, in my opinion, is reminiscent of the 911 False Flag in so far as the talking points immediately following the announcement of the sabotaged refinery were suspiciously leading to Bolton’s agenda for war with Iran, but we have to also reference what Bibi is up to vis-à-vis electoral campaign for re-election.

    Destroying OPEC managed refineries in Saudi Arabia allows the stock market speculators to reinvest in oil futures to prop up the failing oil industry which is central & hegemonic for the USA economy and The Duck’s re-election gambit for a second term of unhinged narcissistic meandering and full blown childlike histrionics unchecked by opposition punditry.

    I, for one, fully assert that the destruction of Saudi oil supply & delivery systems at this juncture of diminishing returns for the USA system of commercial & retail investment in oil is telling & telegraphing that this intentional act of sabotage was likely planned and carried out by the USA in order to stimulate higher returns for the investor class that was dumping investment in oil and consolidating energy investment into other energy baskets such as renewable energy.

    For any sovereign in the Middle East to sabotage the Saudi oil refineries they would have to first consider the knock-on effects that sort of action would inflict on the Middle Eastern oil sales that are the life blood of the region. Sabotaging their own economies is not tactically rational or even remotely sound planning which leaves me to conclude that we should all follow the money & motive as advised by Hunter S. Thompson post-911 False Flag event.

    Not for one second do I believe that Iran is responsible for the attack as it all seems to fit rather neatly & conveniently for Bibi’s re-election gambit and The Duck’s existential crisis of being a one term failure who will be laughed off the political stage for his bungling of the US economy and ultimate crashing of the over-valued NYSE that is slated to manifest this October given the dwindling markets & systemic deflation that has yielded Secular Stagnation across the global investment world.

    Most assuredly, Canada will not be joining the rush to judgement and the coalition of warmongering nations that seek to control the world with yet more violence & acts of fraud.

    America is insolvent.

    RW

    • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 12:28 pm #

      Spot on and well put, RW! The US deep state is in full desperation mode now.

      • Robert White September 16, 2019 at 8:53 pm #

        The US deep state extends to Israel’s deep state which makes for something even more ominous than just the US deep state, eh.

        What really worries me is that when these elites get desperate we can’t predict their behaviour or their personalities given the irrationality of chaos in politics, society, and the individual processing all of it. I majored in Personality Theory and realized that not even the state text book Psychopaths can be reliably predictable when SHTF or individuals start to panic.

        The lines of fear & greed intersect when the stock market has a margin call too. Contagion & human emotion work in concert to fuel some pretty crazy behaviour exhibited by all including the elites in the deep state War Rooms.

        You are an old USAF veteran type guy that has seen it all by now, Scratch. I think you have better nerves than I do because you seem to be calm about these deep state types whereas I worry because of what I know about personalities at the top of the food chain, or cabal of power. Even Fuld was not himself when Lehman went under. Top brokers of power in this world cannot panic to a point of contagion but they do when Finance is concerned.

        RW

    • volodya September 16, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

      Yep, America is insolvent, and embedded in those three words is a real mouthful of implications, not only for the shnooks living in the US, but also for foreigners, a great many still figuring on a free ride.

      For a lot of the world, living under the US defense umbrella was a giant blessing, being able to squander national funds in areas other than the local military-industrial complex.

      But those days are drawing to a close. Will financial markets finally wake up to it? They say that markets are mechanisms for price discovery. No they ain’t, they’re mechanisms for misinformation and delusion. We see it on full display day-in and day-out.

      Staying out of the latest cobbled-together coalition of the unwilling and the unable is the honest thing to do. Not many countries have got the military wherewithal to contribute anything anyway so they might as well own up to it. And besides, whatever military action transpires will have the imprimatur of lyin’ bastards doing it under utterly false pretenses. It will be a fraud, as you say, and a farce.

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm #

        If US is insolvent, so goes the world. I do not think that the debt of the world even exists in the eyes of the Elite globalists. The illicit trades of the US is what is holding the world markets together. The US goes down, so does the world. One specific example, without the consumer market in the US, who does China sell its exports to?

        • Majella September 16, 2019 at 7:59 pm #

          The USA accounts for 19.2% of total Chinese exports.

          worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

          • volodya September 17, 2019 at 11:11 am #

            Great point. 

            To expand a bit, the 2018 US trade deficit with China was over 400 billion according to official stats. Do you believe official numbers? I wipe my ass with them. 

            No matter, you need only have a pair of functioning eyeballs to see what transpired economically over the past few decades and, to give the numbers their due, the story the deficit number tells is in line with visual evidence.

            The trade deficit with China is gigantic but that’s not the whole of it, the 2018 trade deficit, including all sources, was around 620 billion. It’s been in the crapper since the 1970s but really went south in the 1990s.

            You may have heard this already but some guys liken these trade deficits to losing a portion of the yearly GDP. So, if 2018 GDP was 20.5 trillion, 620 billion is around 3% of GDP. That’s a big slice and that happens one year after another. According to the St Louis Fed the trade deficit since 1970 averaged over 2% of GDP. Add all that up and it’s a colossal pile of money we’re talking about. No wonder so much of the country is in dire straights. 

            research.stlouisfed.org/publications/economic-synopses/2019/05/17/historical-u-s-trade-deficits

            As far as China itself goes, the trade surplus with the US is a huge whack of the country’s GDP. Do you know what China’s GDP is? Don’t worry, neither does anyone else. Even Chinese economists say that China’s stats are “man-made” ie bollocks. But, no doubt, it’s big. Can China afford to do without exports to the US? It’s a judgement call because if national stats are generally a joke, China’s are twice as funny. But my gut feel is that if the borders in the US suddenly closed to Chinese-made goods, China would be in deep shit.

            For all the talk about China’s burgeoning middle class, and no doubt it’s growing, a majority of the population is still dirt-poor, with hundreds of millions in sub-saharan standards of living. And a lot of Chinese banks are supposedly in very iffy condition. In short, even if the US market accounts for a minority of China’s exports, it’s still big enough to be really important. A shut-off of trade would cause serious trouble.
             
            I think that what’s kept the Chinese Communists in power, besides brute force, is the objective FACT and not just the hope of things getting better for the average joe over there. Does the US have the capacity to turn out the lights in China? I wouldn’t go that far. But the Chinese commies have to show an upward trajectory giving the folk in the country-side some hope that things will be better if not for them then their kids.
             
            Anyhoo, that’s my two cents on China. 

      • Robert White September 16, 2019 at 8:05 pm #

        If you look at Canada’s F-16 fleet, or whatever antiquated prehistoric jet fighters we have acquired second hand from the old Australian Air Force ARMY Surplus store–we could not form any sort of real capability as a NATO subservient functionary of the US NATO Air Force past a show of mere tokenism for display purposes only.

        What Canada really needs is new helicopters for our Coast Guard.
        We don’t need new jet fighters like the F-35 because we hear they are real lemons and overpriced given that Canadians don’t really like spending money on US led mass genocide of third world countries we are more inclined to spend our disposable & discretionary dollars on stuff that we need like the helicopters for the Coast Guard. We have three coasts to guard and search for lost CANUCKS out fishing. Scoring new jet fighters to assist the US & Israel on their perennial quests for world domination is not high on the list of priorities for most Canadians these days, eh.

        RW

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

          Canada has the means to build aircraft it could build helicopters if it was not spending so much of it’s money supporting useless eaters and worthless social programs.

    • darrell dullnig September 16, 2019 at 2:03 pm #

      “Most assuredly, Canada will not be joining the rush to judgement and the coalition of warmongering nations that seek to control the world with yet more violence & acts of fraud.” Robert White

      No, that is not Canada’s role. Canada’s role is to do what London and Washington tell it to do. Canada may become very important later on as a source of food(in limited quantities)when your neighbors to the south throw in the plows and reach for their guns.

      • Robert White September 16, 2019 at 2:43 pm #

        Canadians don’t take orders from anyone anymore. We have the brains to tell Washington to pound sand, and Queen Elizabeth II would never tell us what to do lest we rise up and tell her to pound sand as well.

        And if the Americans threaten us with guns we will not play hockey with them anymore, and we will stop letting them win to boost their self esteem.

        No more free stuff either!

        CANUCKS know how to play hardball too, man.

        Wait until snowball season starts, BuckO.

        P.S. Don’t forget to put on your snow tires, eh.

        RW

        • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 6:36 pm #

          Uh huh. Canada will take its instructions through the USMCA.

  16. FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

    A sales call from the Russian MIC

    It should be noted a very high accuracy of hits. The blow looks almost surgical.

    pbs.twimg.com/media/EEh-EKmX4AAM48m?format=jpg

    pbs.twimg.com/media/EEh-EKoXkAA95e1?format=jpg

    Sheiks are being transferred to the zone of Russian responsibility and protection and should buy Russian short-range air-defence systems like Pantsir to protect their oil fields, not that scrap-metal from Americans.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir_missile_system

  17. sauerkraut September 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

    Back in 1973, the Yom Kippur War led to higher prices for oil. It was known as the Arab Oil Embargo.

    Oil because so expensive that it made sense to develop domestic oil (Alaska).

    Just sayin’.

    • sauerkraut September 16, 2019 at 12:21 pm #

      Oil BECAME — damn that auto-error software!

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:46 pm #

      Oil should be over $100 a barrel to satisfy Russian and American oil producers.

      And it will go there.

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 6:39 pm #

        It needs to be that price to support fracking. Why do you think the banks are continuing to support fracking with credit. Because when oil is $150 a barrel, they will clean up.

        I’ll bet some guys on Wall Street read The Long Emergency!

        • Tate September 16, 2019 at 8:41 pm #

          You ever hear of price elasticity, John AZ? The price of oil is somewhat elastic. Meaning when oil is $150 a barrel, mucho less demand for it, revenues dip & the producers’ profits decline. Also, we go into a severe recession. Just like last time oil price exploded.

  18. 4014HAMPHEDGE September 16, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

    Several of the non-middle east usual suspects are gearing up for WW3, and one questions if they shall all get their licks in before it turns into simple free-for-all. North Kore is a given; leadership is 100% war criminals by definition, who would be under house arrest at best, and more likely subject to a WWII style show trial. This is a way of saying little Kim with his death camps does not expect a peaceful resolution to his nuclear weapons gambit. Nobody talks about his massive Chemical/Biological program…And overt tech sharing with Iran. Mutual dislike for Israel dooms both. Gen. 12:3

    On the subject of CBW, does the booming pharmaceutical industry of China & India raise any flags? “Good” on one hand and evil on the other. China now offers most wonderful lady robots, perfect yin-yang analogy considering the AI soldiers produced in the adjacent factories. Medicine and comfort robots subsidizing less attractive joint ventures.

    Not mentioned in the consequences of tangling with Iran: 10’s of thousands Iranian expatriates in the lower 48, large numbers of the males slated for various tasks of sabotage against transport, communications, waterworks, the list of soft targets in the USA is long. Owing to threats against food distribution, this lone writer can only make a plea for private involvement in Famine Hedge preparation in transport mode. Food basket district rail links as existed from the Civil War to the Viet Nam Era, 100 years of mixed mode food distribution had benefit of allowing for a problem in one mode to be solved by shifting effort of the other.

    Consortia of several billionaires (and enough in the Billionaire club for 100’s of such partnerships) are able to adopt dormant US farm district rail branch lines for repair and availability as working transport links through the war crisis and rebuild period, Aftermath of impending war will see US railway network as vital guarantor of the continuing Union Of States. USA faces existential harm, sad to say.

    Mike Walker publishes US Rail Map Atlas books of all the US rail footprint past & present. Old Thomas Bros City & county maps clearly show how the downtown warehousing sites were woven into the rail grid[ helpful to determine new rail access construction. US Army Railway Battalions can be reformed, see the Ft. Eustis VA template for railway units. American Short Line Regional Railroad Association (ASLRRA) is the go-to for railway consortia to determine best rail corridor choices.in emergency scenario preparation.

    As a reminder: Non other than James Kunstler, our LONG EMERGENCY Dr. of disaster, makes occasional mention of need for replicating early 20th Century railway lines. This message is a respectfully submitted suggested work description. Wealthy people might figure a portion of electronic money holdings might be wisely put toward food assurance transport amenities, if simply a selfish act for their loved ones? Daniel 4 V:15

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

      Chinks still can’t successfully steal the Russian technology for producing the modern jet engines despite the fact that for last 40 years they have been making them under the Russian license.

      Chinese produced jet engines have 4 times less maintainable work hours than similar Russian original engines.

      Guess what, after 40 years they are still buying Russian jet engines.

  19. marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 12:26 pm #

    The Saudi’s can’t stop the Houthis in Yemen with US help! How do you think they’ll fare against the Iranians?

    Time for the Saudi’s to sue for peace in Yemen or face more of the same.

    • RIB September 16, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

      The Saudi’s can’t stop the Houthis in Yemen with US help! How do you think they’ll fare against the Iranians?
      Time for the Saudi’s to sue for peace in Yemen or face more of the same.

      I thought the peace loving mullahs in Iran had no desire to wage war against their neighbors, Marcus.

  20. meargen September 16, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

    Another good post this week (but there any never any bad ones).
    I remember 1979: ‘I ran, you ran, we all ran from Iran.’, and I think JHK is right in that a certain part of our population wants to ‘get even.’
    We were insulted, and remember how bad France wanted to get Alsace-Lorraine back from Germany after the 1871 Franco-Prussian war, and the timeline from then to 1914 isn’t all that different from 1979 for us.

    The past: a great book I liked was Endless Interventions, written in 1982 by Jonathan Kwitney, and he detailed the CIA and oil companies overthrowing the Mossadagh regime in Iran, and believe me, no one was happy to see the Shah back. However, it must be said that bad as he was, Khomeini was a lot worse. As Oriana Fallaci said after interviewing both, she thought they were two sides of the same coin.

    Kwitney also did a great job showing how corporate banking controls policy, noting how most of our advisors and heads come from that system and their law firms…Deep State, anyone?

    I think the drone attack was a ‘regrettable incident’ that could have been orchestrated by Israel and our intel agencies, with a dash of a rogue organization here and there. We simply aren’t told much, and these incidents always have a pattern, and are old hat with us.
    Really, wasn’t the Maine being blown up an act of suspicious sabotage? What would Spain have to gain by a war with us in 1898?
    But once someone gets killed, cold analysis goes out the window. Like Tonkin Gulf, WMD in Iraq, etc.

    I don’t think Iran is perfect, but a war with them would be a mess. I know precious little Israel wants to take them out, and again, I recall the British being so devoted to protecting ‘Little Serbia’ in 1914, although the Serbs were actually murderous and aggressive.

    And yes, Rush Limbaugh goes on ‘we don’t NEED Saudi oil anymore! We’re ROLLING in oil. So how come prices might snake up?

    Also, Volodya, Vietnamization was an exit strategy. Much as it seems strange, in 1968 Nixon was actually a peace candidate. The problem was S. Vietnam just didn’t want to fight, and couldn’t pull it together.
    That’s why I had no sympathy for us getting dumped with all the boat people, which I think was done on purpose to begin a racial breakdown.

    But Paul Johnson, in Modern Times, argued that the best solution in Vietnam would have been to have had elections in 1954, and if Ho Chi Minh won, then live with the consequences. But Eisenhower scuttled the elections.

    I was listening to some right-wing talk show where an Iranian Evangelical Christian was on, arguing for war because Iran is on the verge of collapse, and if we just make one hard push, it will fall apart…and of course, religious freedom is guaranteed. Oddly enough, he asserted that most of the refugees Merkel took in Germany aren’t Muslim but Christian, which totally sounds weird…or maybe shows what kind of guests you have on talk radio.
    But that ‘one hard push.’ Heard that about Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

    Anyway, to end on a good note, ain’t it glad John Bolton’s out? Mark Twain’s evil twin is gone. Whew.

  21. BuckP September 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

    With his crisis,as with those before,it, we can surely count on our government and the MSM to give us the straight scoop! Hahahahahahahahahaha!

    The USA has been planning and executing false flags since 1846,when ole Zachary taylor crossed the southern border, then between the Nueces and Rio Grande Rivers, to instigate a skirmish with Mexican villagers at the present site of Brownsville, thereby, starting the Mexican-American War. The purpose, of which, was to expand US territory south to increse the power of the slave bloc.
    Abraham Lincoln then a congressman from Illinois was not buying the false flag and fought against war.

    Abraham Lincoln was the first American “conpiracy theorist”; not bad company to be in.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

      The USA has been planning and executing false flags since 1846

      Which US you are referring to? Trump’s USA or Clinton’s?

      US has been a country of permanent Civil war since its inception.

  22. a kullervo September 16, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

    Well, cheap oil is coming to an end and maybe this Saudi Arabia ploy is a false flag by TPTB to test the waters: will it be a) a long and savage decline; or, b) a quick and brutal annihilation?
    In any case, perhaps one of the very first installments of the manure really hitting the fan.

    • RZ September 16, 2019 at 10:58 pm #

      Isn’t the whole point to raise oil prices? Mission accomplished. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn Aramco did it themselves. Nothing else worked. Sure, the world will sink into recession. That would happen anyway.. The oil companies can’t keep pumping the stuff at current prices. BAU is doomed. Kick it into the ditch and get on with something else. Sure there are plenty of conspiracies & propaganda & BS, but the theorists credit TPTB (or wanna B) with great powers of organizing & foresight. No one could hide such brilliance so well.

  23. marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

    The main problem with the US getting militarily involved with Iran with the Donald as Commander in Chief is morale. Or more like the lack of morale.

    The corrupt, effete, lying Saudis want our help with Iran and the lying, corrupt, effete Donald wants to oblige for personal financial reasons, but who does the fighting? The US citizens that know their “leader” is a corrupt pathological liar? That’s the problem

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:51 pm #

      Who’s to blame if the frigging Mullahs decided to one more time arrange “the final solution to the Jewish Question” with participation of non other than Siemens, known for its participation in the previous “final solution to the Jewish Question”.

      holocaustonline.org/siemens/

      So, fuck em!

      • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 12:56 pm #

        The Israelis and the Saudis have been poking the hornets nest for a long time now. Time for them to face the consequence of their actions. Not the US problem to back up every fucked up maneuver these two hegemonic hostiles have been involved with in the last several years

        • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

          For starters, the Mullahs need to establish a normal diplomatic relationship with the Jewish state.

          Israelis are ready for that whenever Mullahs are, since the fucking Oslo agreements arranged courtesy of Hillary Clinton – “Land for Peace” – my ass.

          Israelis gave all land and are still waiting for peace.

          You have a short memory my friend, remember Intifada palestinians arranged after signing those agreements?

          • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

            If I want bullshit dissembling I’ll go to Donald’s twitter account. Israeli violations of resolutions and acts of war toward the Palestinians and it’s neighbors are legion.

          • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

            I guess you’re right, you don’t need any more bullshit, you’re loaded with it.

          • S M Tenneshaw September 16, 2019 at 3:11 pm #

            Hey Fincain, what’s a pro-semitic guy like you doin’ in a joint like this?

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:52 pm #

          Actually Fincan is correct Israel has been trying and Iran has been thumbing it’s collective nose at the process.
          Iran says Israel is a knife to the back of Islam.

      • elysianfield September 16, 2019 at 7:02 pm #

        “the final solution to the Jewish Question”

        Kamaraden Finc!

        …Way ahead of em, pal.

        healthline.com/health/mens-health/foreskin-restoration

  24. Flash in the Pan September 16, 2019 at 12:52 pm #

    The Saudi attack is just as plausible as it being from the U.S. to goose up oil prices to support the Fracking Con.
    Grant it, they would need it to go over $100+ per barrel to do much good at this point.

    But I smell “Gulf of Tonkin”

    Ilargi had a nice piece on this over at Automatic Earth.

    “t’s a New World Order, Alright”

    theautomaticearth.com/2019/09/its-a-new-world-order-alright/

    “Bibi of Israel recently planned to bomb locations in Syria controlled by “Iran-backed” Assad troops, right about right now.

    And he needed permission from Vladimir Putin to do that.

    So he flew to Moscow, did a bunch of photo-ops with Putin to show Israeli voters he’s an important statesman, but all he got was a big load of coal in his stocking.

    Putin said: we’ll shoot you out of the skies if you dare.”

    Well, there’s a New World Order in the Middle East and it’s not U.S. weapons that’s backing it up.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

      Why fracking is a Con more than you are?

    • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm #

      Great link. The battle lines are being drawn and the rats are preparing to jump ship, as Net-n-Yahoo and GGG are revealed to be peas in the same rotten Zionist pod. We need to deport both of them to Palestine and see how long they’d last.

  25. Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 1:10 pm #

    Fascinating Spy vs. Spy backstory provided by Scott Ritter on Oleg Smolenkov’s – very likely a Russian double agent recruited specifically for this role – role in rolling the CIA’s John Brennan into selling the whole “Russian Interference” affair to Obama and Clinton. If true, it has damning implications for the politicization and ineptitude of the US intelligence community, as if they don’t have enough of those already.

    consortiumnews.com/2019/09/14/the-spy-who-failed/

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 1:26 pm #

      Scratch, nothing is fascinating about that story if we recall the simple fact that over 90% of Russian bureaucracy was installed in the 90s by Clinton’s advisers sitting in each Russian governmental department.

      What would fascinate me is the picture of all of them marching into Gulag like in good old Stalin’s days.

      • Ol' Scratch September 16, 2019 at 2:58 pm #

        Side by side with the Bush’s, the Obama’s, and the newest addition to the rogues gallery, Trump and his idiotically evil spawn. I have to admit though, it’s highly entertaining watching the DC US government implode due to its own rank ineptitude. I guess it was always inevitable that it would eventually come to this. Three words: War Crimes Tribunal.

  26. marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

    FincaInTheMolehill: “I’ll fight Israel and Saudi Arabia’s enemies to the last drop of America children”s blood.”

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm #

      Hey Maruc, I get it now – you doing it all for the “good of the children” (deep sigh).

      May be you should start by fighting the pedophiles in the Dem establishment, starting with creepy Uncle Joe.

      • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

        ” (deep sigh)” That’s about all effete buggers like you can do.

        But my point stands, you and your ilk are generous with other American peoples children’s blood to protect hostile corrupt regimes.

    • RIB September 16, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

      I have just two questions, Marcus:1) When was the last time an Israeli prime minister made a statement like this one: theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran
      2) In the following Arab -Israeli Wars, which time was Israel the aggressor: 1948-1949- 1956 1967 1973 1982 and 2006?

      • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 2:41 pm #

        I’m not going to argue the vagaries of the history ME conflicts with you RIB.

        We’re talking current affairs here. Israel has been bombing, on a regular basis LATELY, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, and their Prime Minister is talking about “annexing” (stealing) all of the illegal settlements in the West Bank.

        • RIB September 16, 2019 at 3:41 pm #

          I’m not going to argue the vagaries of the history ME conflicts with you RIB.
          We’re talking current affairs here. Israel has been bombing, on a regular basis LATELY, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, and their Prime Minister is talking about “annexing” (stealing) all of the illegal settlements in the West Bank.

          About what I figured, Marcus. A response like that might score big points in a middle school debate. Well, I give you credit for one thing. At least you’re kind enough not to hide your weakness through ad hominem remarks. The Arab nations have a long standing desire to destroy the state of Israel. The Israeli attitude is and always will been
          “Never Again.”

          • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 4:28 pm #

            There still plenty of Romans and Nazis to watch out for!
            Cry me a fucking river and put the self pity aside for a minute.

            So what’s your solution? Kill all Arabs before they kill you? They’re too busy having a blood fest between the Shiites and Sunnis so get in line for the party.

            Count me out of your super paranoid, blood fest, my imaginary friend in the sky is better than yours world vision. And that goes for all the other religious/tribal nut-bags out there. But I encourage you to have a ball.

            If we spent 1/10th the resources on trying to live peacefully with each other than trying to kill and exile one another we might be in a better world.

  27. mow September 16, 2019 at 1:46 pm #

    The Middle East is the Rubik’s cube of this nations international oil policy .

  28. Luhrenloup September 16, 2019 at 2:03 pm #

    The hollow men do not go down with either a bang or a whimper, but with a hard on?

  29. pkrugman September 16, 2019 at 2:08 pm #

    President Trump said “[we] are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!” Exclamation mark his.

    I am surprised another government decides when our kids go to fight and die for them. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump literally bows to MBS.

    • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

      Depends on the $offer. Donald’s about the deal don’t forget.

      • Majella September 16, 2019 at 9:23 pm #

        Didn’t Trump’s admin complete, just after his inauguration, an arms deal with SA worth $150 billion?

        And wasn’t that deal also cited as one reason to let MBS slide on the Khashoggi debacle? (As in, “there’s too much $$$ at stake to get snippy with the KSA over one WaPo journo…)

        In any case, I know $150 billion is just small-change in the International Arms Business, but surely there’s enough fire-power in SA’s hands to undertake any retaliation the Sauds, in their infinite wisdom, deems appropriate, or are those F18s & drones only suitable for smashing the living shit out of the likes of Yemen? You know, the ones who don’t have a snowball’s chance…

        • benr September 16, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

          Having actually been forced to deal with the Saudi military one could easily say they are not up to the task even with modern weapons.
          As far as Iran goes they may have some stuff but they rely on man power and kamikaze stuff life is cheap.

          Kids and land mines come to mind with plastic keys to heaven made in china because kids are cheap and tanks are expensive.

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

            So, why is the US Government so supportive of the corrupt KSA ruling family? Can it possibly be only OIL? Is the US Government really so craven as that, coming up to a century now?

            Does the USA no longer stand for anything but its own self-interest first & foremost, these days?

          • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:07 am #

            Better the bastard you know than the bastard you don’t.

            Tell me a country, state, city or person not doing what is in their best interests!

  30. BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

    Well, the next provocation could be a land based Exoset style missile slamming into the hull of a US aircraft carrier somewhere in the Gulf. Then the sh#t would really hit the fan. The ship wouldn’t sink like the Bismark did just be put out of commission for a year or two. We’ve got plenty of carriers at any rate.

    Brh

    • RIB September 16, 2019 at 3:42 pm #

      Well, the next provocation could be a land based Exoset style missile slamming into the hull of a US aircraft carrier somewhere in the Gulf. Then the sh#t would really hit the fan. The ship wouldn’t sink like the Bismark did just be put out of commission for a year or two. We’ve got plenty of carriers at any rate “Exocet. “

    • Majella September 16, 2019 at 9:25 pm #

      But, there will be more Exocets than Carriers…

      • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:56 pm #

        Yeah that’s the problem, Majella.

        Its yet to be seen but the possibility exists that long range, supersonic, land based missiles may render aircraft carriers obsolete. Not exactly the Exocets the Argentinians deployed against the British in the Falklands, but something much improved and more deadly.

        Brh

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:08 am #

          Against the new rail gun and laser tech coming out?
          Missiles are so 2000’s.

  31. FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 3:39 pm #

    A brief overview of the balance of forces after Epstein’s “suicide”. P 3.1.

    As I already wrote, a review of the balance of power after Epstein’s suicide was to describe the forces of the warring parties before the battle for the United States, just as the Bhagavad Gita describes the balance of power before the Battle of Kurukshetra.

    This comparison was prompted by Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who, under the leadership of a republican speaker, swore allegiance to the United States in Bhagavad Gita, was not afraid to articulate the geopolitical doctrine of the US Party of Peace, destroyed the Bastinda the Great and Terrible plan of 2020 primaries, and by will of fate, found herself the very center of that field in the USA where Kurukshetra 2.0 will inevitably unfold.

    I honestly thought that comparing the situation with the Bhagavad Gita would interest you, since Kurukshetra seems to be the very same battle between the haplogroups R1a and R1b that Mr. Klesov brainwashed his Russian audience with, but I made a mistake and it seems to me will have to explain the historical roots of what Klesov means too.

    In the meantime, the previous post, by the will of fate and the drowsiness that attacked me, turned out to be not a summary, but a description of a series of reconnaissance fights, which two days ago I mistook for the movement of troops, marking the beginning of the battle.

    Fortunately, I was mistaken and in this post I will nevertheless summarize the description of the alignment of forces, especially since the events in Venezuela and the attack on the refineries in Saudi Arabia are clearly related and their coincidence clearly showed how this battle will begin.

    But before showing this connection, it’s nice to summarize the description of the balance of power that was presented in pieces in previous posts of this series.

    A brief overview of the balance of power after the “suicide” of Epstein P. 1

    This post explains that Hillary’s attack on Trump is just as much an attack on US Anglo-Saxon identity as Brexit’s sabotage by Teresa May.

    An introduction to brief overview of the balance of power after the “suicide” of Epstein P. 2

    A brief overview of the balance of power after the “suicide” of Epstein P. 2

    And in these posts it is said that the investigation of John Durham faded into the background because the fire on Losharik and the attempt on Putin’s live showed that it is possible not to survive until the end of the investigation, and the sudden pathological Russophobia of Trump supporters after Epstein’s “suicide” is due to the fact that Epstein’s compromising evidence on deep-state establishment, who are also globalists, allowed the Red and White world projects of the West to strike a deal with the Black World Project: “Blacks are surrendering Hillary with her nuclear war plans, and Red and White confirm Russophobia as the basis of the unity of the West ”

    A brief overview of the balance of power after the “suicide” of Epstein P. 3

    This post talks about the actions of the European Union through its agents of influence against the monarchy in the UK, which violated the terms of the deal in the United States and the reasons for Bolton’s resignation, which are indicative of the completion of the split in the Bush clan caused by the Big Bargain, which was concluded a year ago between Trump and the Bush Clan and whose purpose is to save the Anglo-Saxon identity of the United States from being destroyed by globalists.

    Almost Bhagavad Gita almost did not take place

    In which it is said that the blocking of Tulsi Gabbard by the Democratic Committee showed that, despite the peace deal, Hillary Clinton retains control of the Deep State and intends to fake the results of the Democratic primaries and obviously general elections so as to ensure the victory of her candidate and the defeat of Trump.

    Well, in conclusion, I want to note that the attack of globalists on the Anglo-Saxon identity of Great Britain and the USA is a continuation of the Fourth Crusade, which, according to the theory of world projects, also began with the invasion of William the Conqueror and the Battle of Hastings.

    In addition, it is difficult not to notice that without explaining the arrest of Epstein by the desire to stop the provocation of nuclear war by the method of obtaining electric chair compromising dirt on the leaders of the Deep State, all the above-mentioned jumps in political activity from the USA to the UK and back look absolutely absurd from the point of view of probability theory.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:00 pm #

      By the way, Russian PM Medvedev has a nervous breakdown in response to the failure of the compromise with the Black Project, which obviously guaranteed him a minimum level of security, and now Trump’s attack on those who support him in Russia is inevitable (like sanctions and account freezing) and they will begin to make claims to him for the lost money.

      He got himself stuck between Hillary and Aven, and from such a perspective, anyone goes crazy.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Aven

  32. RB September 16, 2019 at 4:45 pm #

    Several points regarding Iranian capabilities.

    First, you are dealing with a regime that during the Iraq/Iran war Iranian leadership lined up young men and sent them off through terrain to clear mines. They wrapped a bandana around their heads, gave them the old martyr pitch and sent them off.

    Second, the kamikazis of WW II Pacific fame did a number on the US Navy. The Iranians will have zero trouble coming up with a similar group. Doubtful our rather incompetent Navy can handle that sort of campaign but it would be interesting to watch.

    Third, Iran is a technology country with lots of smart engineers etc. There is no reason at all to think they don’t have some biological WMDs which no one speaks of today because they are scared shitless. Nuclear weapons are critical to Israel’s future; not to the USA. We are not going down because Baltimore is blown up. The DNC might bitch but they bitch about everything.

    Fourth, Iran has Russia as an ally of sorts. They will not have to worry about running out of weapons systems. Russia can resupply the overland through the various “stans”. US forces are at the end of a long supply chain.

    Trump is no war time leader. He has been out of his element in the White House and it shows. He is a tweeter and a fool thinking he is the smartest one in a room. He isn’t.

    Saudi Arabia has no chance in this. They suck at things military. It is easy to kill civilians in Yemen but quite another to fight the Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah. I see no problem with having Moslems killing Moslems. Stay out of it.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:04 pm #

      Everybody forget that the current war is not between Nations, but between the different political and religious philosophies and different worldviews of development of mankind for foreseeable future.

    • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 5:20 pm #

      ” I see no problem with having Moslems killing Moslems. ”
      That’s a despicable fucking thing to say. Oh that’s right all good …… are supposed to hate “Moslems”

      When did humanity exist your life?

      • RB September 16, 2019 at 5:26 pm #

        Vietnam. No one else gave a damn. I don’t either.

        Moslems don’t mind killing others so if they are killing each other, then they are not killing people I do care about. Perhaps if I were more selective in which Moslems? Would that make you feel better in your righteousness?

        I’m betting you are pro abortion. Yes? No?

        • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 5:42 pm #

          “Vietnam. No one else gave a damn. I don’t either. ”

          I’m sure the Vietnamese did you simple-minded prick.

          Fuck off with your stupid abortion trope. You will be ignored from now on

          • benr September 16, 2019 at 5:58 pm #

            And yet he spiked the ball straight in your face.

          • marcus1 September 16, 2019 at 6:31 pm #

            benr September 16, 2019 at 5:58 pm #

            “And yet he spiked the ball straight in your face.”

            You want to expound on this argument?

            Did you/he mean that I care about Vietnamese life but not their fetuses?

            Is RB a buddy of yours?

          • RB September 16, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

            Thank you for ignoring me in the future. Good decision.

            Interesting how the abortion slaughterhouse industry trips up leftists and their sick sense of what constitutes morality.

          • benr September 16, 2019 at 10:24 pm #

            Is RB a buddy of yours? -marcus1

            Nope and RB expanded on your question.

            I have no actual friends on this site I don’t know anyone personally but there is a series of friendly discussions and interesting topics. So for the most part I tend to like most of the posters here even some of the ones that I am 180% degrees polar opposite on almost every view.

          • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:37 pm #

            Good post, Benr.

            Yeah I like this site because it’s not an echo chamber. Many different viewpoints; anything you post will be challenged, and you inevitably will be hammered from all directions. You gotta have a thick skin.

            Brh

          • elysianfield September 16, 2019 at 10:58 pm #

            “You gotta have a thick skin.”

            BRH,
            …What you gotta do is to be prepared to defend your opinion….

          • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 7:58 am #

            That too, E.

            But subjects sometimes change so quickly it’s hard to do, Imho.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 16, 2019 at 11:18 pm #

        Your own people come first. And among them, your family, friends, neighbors etc. You’re a Nihilist if you think that everyone is equal in this regard. That’s an ideology, not not normal human feeling.

    • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:12 am #

      Not young men children.

  33. FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:11 pm #

    Fourth, Iran has Russia as an ally of sorts. They will not have to worry about running out of weapons systems.

    Russia has no obligations toward Iran beside the already existing agreements on cooperation in Syria against ISIS (but NOT against Israel), and certain cooperation in distributing Iranian oil in exchange for Iran buying Russian agricultural and industrial output.

    I have no doubt that Putin will try to temper Iranian military aspirations toward Israel, fueled largely by Western European Fourth Reich.

    If, God forbids, it really comes to a shooting war between Israel and Iran, Russia will back Israel.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:16 pm #

      Russia will back Israel

      Probably by making Israel to be a part of the Russian Federation, which was the Stalin’s plan from the very beginning – make Israel into the 16th republic of the Soviet Union.

      • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 6:53 pm #

        Besides Finca, the Russian federation is where all the remaining Caucasians are going to escape to when the Browns and Blacks take over.

        • Majella September 17, 2019 at 4:01 am #

          Not worried about ‘the Yellows’, JohnAZ?

  34. Paddy Padmore September 16, 2019 at 5:17 pm #

    Why the Palestinians can never come to a peace agreement with Israel.

    The religious Jewish nut jobs are having a greater and greater influence on Israeli government policy and they say the Palestinians have two choices explained in the Torah and the Talmud, surrender and become literal slaves to serve the Jewish overlords at their pleasure or be completely exterminated.

    They believe hen the Jewish Messiah comes after the third temple is built on the site of the Dome of the Rock, it will become clear to everyone this is the way it has to be, because that’s the way God wants it.

    See some of the statements from rabbis and other religious Jews in this video:

    youtube.com/watch?v=tFuwnH6vruA

    • FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:24 pm #

      You have to listen to this video to see, as my father used to say, what a putz we have for a Rebi!

      I never said that there are no idiots among Jews.

    • Tate September 17, 2019 at 2:46 pm #

      Jews who are not religious jews are not real jews. Until they wanna be. Got it?

      • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:14 am #

        That is not a trait only jewish people have.

        • Tate September 18, 2019 at 10:42 pm #

          What other religion is fixed on a gene pool?

  35. FincaInTheMountains September 16, 2019 at 5:51 pm #

    Well, a very good method to stop any meaningful conversation is to allow a swarm of trolls come in and start waving the Red Rag of anti-Semitism before everyone’s face.

    The trick that worked for Black World Project for thousand of years since the “saint” Bernard of Clairvaux.

  36. xxzzy999 September 16, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

    Do you smell something? I think it’s swamp gas. Will the Neocons make President Trump’s an offer he can’t refuse?

  37. Pucker September 16, 2019 at 7:24 pm #

    Somebody’s trying to start a war with Iran….

    It was common for persons to stir up “Indian Wars” to massacre largely innocent Native Americans in the mid to late 19th Century as a way for US Army Officers to further their careers and for corrupt contractors to get lucrative government contracts. It seems that the exception was Geronimo, who only had about 30 Apache followers that didn’t want to kill him. The Whites once provoked a war with the Apache by banning wife beating, which was a sacred institution for the Apache. The White settlers in Arizona seemed to take offense when the Apache would abduct and rape their wives and daughters, even if the Apache later gave the women back in exchange for more guns and whiskey.

    Peter Cozzens
    The Earth Is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West

  38. PeteAtomic September 16, 2019 at 9:28 pm #

    “We got a thousand points of light
    For the homeless man
    We got a kinder, gentler,
    Machine gun hand
    We got department stores
    and toilet paper
    Got styrofoam boxes
    for the ozone layer
    Got a man of the people,
    says keep hope alive
    Got fuel to burn,
    got roads to drive.

    Keep on rockin’ in the free world”

    —Neil Young

  39. Pucker September 16, 2019 at 10:05 pm #

    When Andrew Yang offered his lottery gimmick during the last debate some of the other candidates started snickering, revealing the sad inner truth of the farce. What do we call this kind of brief, fleeting moment of clarity? It was like when, as a teenager, Marlon Brando would fart loudly in church in Omaha, Nebraska.

  40. capt spaulding September 16, 2019 at 10:19 pm #

    We’ve survived the last three presidents but the day ain’t over. First we elected W for two terms, which we barely survived, then we were so disgusted with having a moron in charge, we even elected a black man. The only reason he won is that people were pathetically grateful that he wasn’t an idiot. What they forgot was that he was in with the Oligarchs, and would give them everything they wanted, and not send anybody to prison. The economy was in pretty sad shape, and he did manage to do some good there, and as a matter of fact when Trump took over, he had the advantage of the economy doing ok.

    As a rule, it seems to generally take a couple of years for the economic efforts of a new president to take root, and I would venture to say that Trump was the beneficiary of that time. I know, I know, there will arise an immediate howl from the Trump supporters that that’s not true, in fact that Trumps policies were working from day 1 of him taking office. Of course, those were the people who tried to pin Bush’s (and Congress’s) fuckups on Obama as soon as he took over the office. As much as I dislike Obama, in all fairness he did a decent job of getting us back on the right track.

    In truth, for me to make this argument here in light of what it has become, it’s tantamount to standing behind a manure spreader waiting for the on lever to be pulled. Oh well, it used to be mostly about peak oil, and related subjects, and I really miss those days. Politics was where it belonged, in the shit spreader, waiting to be hauled off somewhere else.

    So like I’ve said before, our country hasn’t learned a damn thing, and here we go, with the Republicans back in the saddle again, and rarin’ to go. Also like I’ve quoted before: “In a Democracy, you get the government you deserve.” So buckle up boys, it kinda looks to me like we’re headed for a recession (‘course that’ll be the Democrats fault, right?) and maybe just to spice things up, Trump will take things one step further, and go to war with Iran. I’m tellin’ ya, with a mentally ill president, the fun never stops. Bush came close to destroying us, but I’m bettin’ Trump might well top him. Turn on the lever, now.

    • Majella September 16, 2019 at 10:28 pm #

      “Whiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr……………..”

      Capt – you’re right to expect the worst shit-caking for such fair & balanced comment (but not from me, I can assure you).

      • Tate September 17, 2019 at 4:39 pm #

        “fair & balanced comment,” ???

        Like, “Trump’s policies were working from day 1”???

        Really? “We” believe that?

        “‘course that’ll be the Democrats fault, right?”

        Really?

        In what world do Trump voters think like this? Most of us were just ‘laughing’ for something different. Of course, there’s always the moron element who ‘somehow make it to the polling place’ on election day. A powerful argument that democracy is a disaster. Statistically, dems are the largest contingent of that moron element. (But admittedly, there’s a large repug component too.)

    • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 10:28 pm #

      Well, smart money says it’ll be President Warren 16 months from now, Captain. We’ll see how it goes after that.

      • pkrugman September 16, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

        I don’t think the country is ready for a woman president. Imagine the debate scene: Trump calls her Pocahantas and she responds:

        “You bankrupted three casinos, so I’ll call you Brokeahantas?

        • BackRowHeckler September 16, 2019 at 11:10 pm #

          I don’t think the Pocahantas accusations will go to far. People have already got past that.

          I think I mentioned, Warren grew up in Oklahoma which up to 1890 was Indian Territory — Nez Perce, Seminole, Osage, Cherokee, Sioux, Comanche, Apache and many more tribes were relocated there. Warren grew up around Indians and to me it’s understandable she thought she was related to them.

          Brh

          • Exscotticus September 17, 2019 at 12:07 am #

            I don’t think you appreciate the issue. It’s not that she claimed that she’s part NA; it’s that she lied and put down that she’s a NA on her Harvard application to give herself an unfair AA based advantage.

            She’s not a NA; she didn’t grow up on a rez, she doesn’t speak any NA language, she wasn’t a member of any NA tribe, she didn’t practice NA culture, and her NA blood is perhaps 0.005%. It’s proof positive that AA is a Lefty race racket.

          • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

            If in fact she did lie, I’d be curious to see how that stacks up against Trump’s legacy of fiction.

          • Exscotticus September 17, 2019 at 11:29 pm #

            False equivalence. But if you want to go there, then let’s see Dems condemn Warren and demand her impeachment. Warren’s actions were premeditated fraud. Dems don’t care because it’s one of their own.

          • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:17 am #

            She has zero personality Trump will eat her alive.
            Just watch her cringe worthy beer summit and see the truth she just falls flat on her face.

          • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

            “I don’t think you appreciate the issue. It’s not that she claimed that she’s part NA; it’s that she lied and put down that she’s a NA on her Harvard application to give herself an unfair AA based advantage.”

            Ex,
            A lie or a mistake?

            If someone told you, while growing up, that you had the largest private member they’ve ever seen…would you not be proud and repeat the canard? …To anybody that would stand still and listen?

            Many would…maybe most.

          • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 2:38 pm #

            If someone told you, while growing up, that you had the largest private member they’ve ever seen…would you not be proud and repeat the canard? …To anybody that would stand still and listen? – elysian

            ==========

            No, I would have said “if mine is the largest I feel sorry for all those other poor bastards with their dinky peeps.”

          • Exscotticus September 19, 2019 at 12:42 am #

            >>> A lie or a mistake?

            Both. Her lie was claiming she was a bina fide Native American. Her fraud was doing it for gain. Her mistake was imagining that her fraud would not come back to haunt her.

            Warren’s white and clearly non-Native-American family not living on a rez and not speaking any NA languages and not having any formal or even informal ties to any tribe never told her that she was a Native American. They told her that she has Native American ancestry. There was no confusion here.

            But if you truly believe that she grew up thinking she was a true bona fide Native American, that she couldn’t figure out that she wasn’t until she was forced to accept it by her pollsters, then explain how on earth this delusional mentality qualifies her for Prez?

          • elysianfield September 19, 2019 at 12:38 pm #

            “But if you truly believe that she grew up thinking she was a true bona fide Native American, that she couldn’t figure out that she wasn’t until she was forced to accept it by her pollsters, then explain how on earth this delusional mentality qualifies her for Prez?

            Ex,
            Well, her qualifications are another matter entirely. Consider that she did have her DNA run and publicly accepted the results. She was probably as shocked to discover her lack of Indian heritage as I would be to find some in my own lineage.

            When you grow up hearing stories by relatives, you grow up believing them. Mistake?

            Probably.

    • JohnAZ September 16, 2019 at 11:37 pm #

      The so far non existent recession may just happen now. You think the Iranians do not know that. Think of the risk they are taking thumbing their nose at the world, not just us, not just Israel. Think Xi and Abe aren’t talking to Trump right now telling him do not blow up Iran’s oil facilities. If the ME blows up its oil capability, Asia is in big trouble.

      So are we.

      These times are bipartisan. The roots of what we face today started long ago. Lousy presidents have led us to this point, presidents that have given up American power over and over. Now every little international bandit thinks they can take on the US. We will soon see if Trump has the cojones to stand down the Iranians.

      And by the way, I have not seen one counter idea on this blog, not one suggestion how Trump or the Dems would be able to stop the Iranians, not one. So, like everyone else, just sit back and watch the fireworks.

      • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 12:42 am #

        Let this sink in, Iran is not a “little international bandit. ” Iran can project military power in their region and has a REAL coalition of partners that have proven themselves in the field.

        The statement, “The roots of what we face today started long ago.” is bullshit. The Donald started this by leaving the JCPOA, basically declaring war on Iran through sanctions, and further instigating the Iranians by bombing Iran’s allies, the Houthis in Yemen.

        The Donald never had a plan. Got it? Pure unadulterated stupidity. And anyone who thinks you can “stand down” the Iranians by threatening “fire and fury” is stupid. Oh and if you think a W type “shock and awe” would make things better, you ain’t seen no rise in gas anxiety yet.

        • Majella September 17, 2019 at 3:22 am #

          Marcus

          To be fair, JohnAZ is correct but for the wrong reasons.

          This shitstorm does have roots in deep(ish) history, around Western Colonialism and the more recent 1950s insult to democracy when the USA, without even a hint of a blush, installed the Shah.

          The 40 years since the Revolution in Iran has been a nasty, brutish bullying by the US, including the blatant support mr of Saddam in the 1980-87 Iran-Iraq war.

          US administrations (for decades!) has been so paranoid about any government that doesn’t kiss US butt has seen them bullied through economic sanctions, which is the ultimate in ‘asymmetric warfare’, leaving the lives of innocent citizens devastated by shortages of medecines and even food. Is there any wonder much of the ME and (silently) most of the rest of the international community finds US foreign policy a repugnant, nasty overkill weapon. The effect is greater than a constant bombing strategy.

          The last insult was withdrawal from the recent treaty on entirely specious grounds. I’d just LOVE to see an interview with Trump trying to actually explain, in joined up thinking, why he cancelled the US support.

          You’re so right when you say Trump has/had no plan. The most cogent thing he’s ever said at any news conference is ‘We’ll see’. Nailed it Don-don!

          • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 11:01 am #

            M&M

            Baloney. Your support of Iran is BS. These monsters in Iran have been using the treaty as a cover to develop a formidable missile system, both offensively and defensively. When the ten year expiration hits, they will just do the last few months of Nuke development and put those warheads onto the missiles ALREADY IN PLACE.

            I do not know if the Deep State and Trump have a plan to counter this latest excursion by Iran, we will soon see. However the 17 missiles got through our defense system is a huge problem right now as the balance of power in the ME, including Israel, just shifted to the Shia side. Hope someone in DC other than John Bolton realizes this fact.

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 7:06 pm #

            JohnAZ

            You seem to have a very high level of security clearance…should you be here divulging all this intel?

            I also find two things amusing:

            “… 17 missiles got through our defense system..” OUR? US developed, I don’t doubt, but surely SOLD (for cash money) to the KSA and, presumably, manned & maintained by the same?

            “I do not know if the Deep State and Trump have a plan to counter this…” – I’m confused: ‘Trumps AD the Deep State..? Are they now in cahoots? I thought, from other posts of yours, that Don-don was the arch-nemesis of the Deep State.

            And one last giggle – the idea of Don-don having ANY PLANS for anything is a real hoot. The last thing he said was that he was awaiting instructions from MBS..! Make America Saudi Again.

          • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 1:14 pm #

            “These monsters in Iran…”

            John,
            C’mon, man….

            “When the ten year expiration hits, they will just do the last few months of Nuke development and put those warheads onto the missiles ALREADY IN PLACE. ”

            Well, I tend to count on the fact that when the Mossad is aware of the above, then we will be notified by…unilateral action by the IDF. Trust that the Israeli’s have more skin in the game than anyone.

    • Nightowl September 17, 2019 at 2:53 am #

      To be fair, you didn’t make an argument here. What exactly did Obama do to “get us on the right track”? Please support your statement with evidence so that someone can dissect this potental argument.

      Also, a correction: Obama is not “black.” His mother was caucasian. I always find it interesting that so many proggers never point that out.

      • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 8:55 pm #

        I’ve been around long enough to know that arguing with most people is a waste of time, and I have no desire to repeat the experience here. No one ever changed their mind in the middle of an argument, and as a rule, it just turns into a pissing contest. So, in an effort to keep it brief, I concede whatever it is you didn’t like.

        On the other hand, I beg to differ about Obama’s background. His mother was what is called over there, Black Irish, and her family’s last name was O’Bama. That came right off of Fox news so I know that it’s fair and balanced. Oh yeah, he’s also a Muslim. The Secret Service was always nervous around him, because he always insisted on wearing a suicide vest.

        • Nightowl September 18, 2019 at 3:47 am #

          I have changed my mind during a discussion many times; of course, in such those situations, the individual I was talking to also took the time to support his or her claims with evidence.

          I also seem to have touched a nerve by pointing out Obama is half caucasian. Why this would upset you is something only you would know.

          • capt spaulding September 18, 2019 at 7:27 am #

            My remarks about Obama were an attempt at humor. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t. Personally, I don’t give a damn whether he’s half white, half black, or plaid. I guess that sarcasm is ineffectual with some people.

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 9:56 pm #

        “Also, a correction: Obama is not “black”.”

        How many ‘black’ people are 100% non-white?

        I can’t find a study on the question because it’s probably impossible to answer. There must have been a truckload of white DNA inserted into the unwilling vaginas of many a comely slave girl over the couple of hundred years prior to 1865. The term ‘high yella’ comes to mind.

        So, Obama – an American, born in Hawai’i, of a caucasian mother and native Kenyan father.

        So, he’s Black and American, grew up in the US and I’d venture to say suffered the same sort of racial attitude as any other black American.

        He may have been a little more financially privileged than many of his black peers, but I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why you feel a need to deny his ‘blackness’, Nightowl. This is more Janos’s sort of territory!.

        • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 12:12 am #

          I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why you feel a need to deny his ‘blackness’ – Majella

          ============

          He is black or half black only in the sense of skin color. He did not learn to hate whites at his mother’s or father’s knee on the basis of enslaved ancestors. Obama can truly be said to be ‘a person of color’ but not a ‘colored person.’

        • Nightowl September 18, 2019 at 3:50 am #

          Lots of words, so little content. Say it: “Obama is half white.”

        • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 11:26 am #

          So, he’s Black and American, grew up in the US and I’d venture to say suffered the same sort of racial attitude as any other black American. – Majella

          ==============

          Technically true, but barely.

          Hawaii had been a state for two whole years at the time of Obama’s birth. One Google source tells me the black population of Hawaii at the time was 1.82%. I therefore dispute your venture that “he suffered the same sort of racial attitude as any other black American.”

  41. Pucker September 16, 2019 at 10:20 pm #

    What do you think of the concept of a Chinese Frankenstein movie?

    Chinese Frankenstein only eats Chinese food, and he needs “Big Face” and societal adulation.

    Unlike Western Frankenstein who’s all pissed off because Dr. Frankenstein made him so ugly that he can’t score any Pussy, Chinese Frankenstein has enough common sense to know that if he has enough money and social status, then Chinese Frankenstein can score all of the Pussy that he wants.

  42. Pucker September 16, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

    I wonder if Jeffrey Epstein was part Chirachahua Apache?

    “After months of torture, suddenly there was a sliver of hope. Sarah Ransome saw the unattended quad bike, and jumped on it. She raced off, heading to a remote corner of the 70-acre Caribbean island. A strong swimmer, she planned to swim the several miles from the private island of Little St James back to the island of St Thomas.

    “I had been raped three times that day,” she said. “A shark would have been my best friend at that point. I didn’t even think about it – it was just, get me away.”

    She didn’t get very far.

    Her host, Jeffrey Epstein, had installed video cameras all over the island, she said. Within minutes of her setting out a team had appeared to try and persuade her to return to the house.

    • malthuss September 16, 2019 at 11:21 pm #

      where did you find this?

      • Tate September 18, 2019 at 11:28 pm #

        It’s in the news. I knew a Chiricahua Apache once. Good helicopter pilot. Vince Gilligan is an amateur helicopter pilot. Vince, give it up! Either that, or go into weekend cropdusting, it’s safer.

        I just learned Vince is directing a sequel full-length Breaking Bad movie about what happens to Jesse Pinkman after he escapes the Neo-nazi compound in a hopped-up El Camino. The name of the movie is El Camino. It will be aired on Netflix.

  43. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 1:11 am #

    The most recent defamation of Judge Kavanaugh insists that while at Yale University at a party, Kavanaugh forced his penis into a college girl’s hand. Does this story comport with Reality?

    • SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 2:28 am #

      It depends on whose reality you are asking about. For some people, anything comports as long as it gets them where they need to go. Why sleep your way to the top when you can just accuse your way to the top? Capiche?

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 11:06 am #

      A really good question is why the Ramirez women has totally backed off from her original statement, will not even talk to the press, and the other witnesses have backed off. Maybe because it is hogwash. I was disgusted this morning to see the press covering all the ramifications of what Kavanaugh had supposedly done, instead of condemning the New York Times for libel. The Left has thoroughly invaded FOX.

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 6:51 pm #

        “The Left has thoroughly invaded FOX”

        Really? It still houses the shrill and deluded voices of Ingraham, Pirro, Hannity, Varney and their ilk.

        Perhaps you’re upset because teh ‘News” in Fox News has finally got some testicular fortitude, since teh unseemly exit of Roger Ailes.

        • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 9:08 pm #

          I dunno, Majella. How do you explain those new portraits of Karl Marx and Putin in the Fox news receptionist’s lounge? By the way, a new theory about Russia’s current leader has surfaced. The word is that Rasputin didn’t really die under the ice in Lake Neva. He was preserved in ice, kept alive with Soviet science, and resurfaced (get it?) a few years ago, dropped the Ras from his name, and now stands before you as the new leader. Normally I would never countenance stories like this, but I got it from a John Bolton newsletter that I downloaded from the internet. The truth is out there, you just have to know where to look.

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 9:39 pm #

            Lololololollllooo….(ahhh)!

            Capt, DO you do stand-up at open-mic nights? I’d love to catch one

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:29 am #

          Testicular fortitude in going along with the rest of the lying leftist media?
          That’s a laugh.
          The fact it would say things other for lack of a better word news agencies would refuse to report on?
          The left can’t stand dissent or opinions not of their insane echo chamber herd mentality. As a result common sense and the truth have been the first victim of all the lies from the leftist media.

      • Nightowl September 18, 2019 at 4:08 am #

        No. FOX, which is a corporation that sells (lots of fake) news (just like all of the other sham US MSM outlets) is hedging its bets. It’s all about the cash flow.

        Tucker Carlson is a good guy, but I suspect his time there is limited.

    • Majella September 17, 2019 at 9:45 pm #

      Sure sounds like your typical privileged, white, rich, post-teenage Yale/Havard/Princeton inmate pranking to me.

      It comports with the reality of most privileged, white, rich Yale/Havard/Princeton alumni.

      No doubt Kavanaugh is a Bonesman as well, hence protected from any sort of retribution for past sins – to the point where said sins cease to exist in everyday reality…down the memory-hole (kerplunk!)

      • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:16 am #

        So in other words there are conspiracies when you want there to be conspiracies but most of the time when I see them you either think I am dreaming or you just refuse to believe.

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:31 am #

          Correct anything bad about a Republican or Conservative has to be true but Democrats are never wrong nor do bad things.

    • Tate September 18, 2019 at 10:51 pm #

      The most recent defamation of Judge Kavanaugh insists that while at Yale University at a party, Kavanaugh forced his penis into a college girl’s hand. — Pucker

      Akshually, it’s claimed that some of his friends pushed his penis into a college girl’s hand. And what about that? I was waiting for someone to challenge the narrative on that particular piece of poppycock & sure enough God bless her, Ann came through:

      “Let’s consider just the physics of Stier’s story.

      How can anyone, let alone two or more people, ‘push’ a man’s penis into another person’s hand? Just how big is Brett Kavanaugh’s penis, anyway? Wouldn’t a man’s penis, if it were able to be ‘pushed’ by one’s friends into third parties, need to be erect and at least 3 feet long? Don’t push my penis, bro!”

      LOL

      vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-on-kavanaugh-smear-penis-story-collapses-in-flaccid-hearsay?scroll_to…

  44. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 1:22 am #

    Do you remember all of those anecdotes that Ben Carson told during the last election campaign in which Carson recounted incidents in primary and secondary school in which white kids and white teachers were flabbergasted at how intelligent Carson was for a black kid?

    • SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 2:13 am #

      No lol, is there a reason why?

      • Pucker September 17, 2019 at 2:19 am #

        Ben Carson would tell his anecdotes and people would just stare at him blankly not knowing how to react.

        “We need to have this conversation.”

        Beto

        • SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 2:35 am #

          I would like to have an awkward conversation with Beto. Are you Beto or Robert because you really seem like a Robert to me????

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 4:10 am #

            What a bullshit ‘fake news’ dissemination, SSL. Beneath you (even you). ‘Beto’ is a common diminutive of Robert & Roberto, as you know perfectly well. As Beto O’Rourke was born & raised in El Paso, with almost 80% Hispanic ethnicity, why would you be surprised that he’s been called ‘Beto’ since he was a kid and empathizes with Hispanics????
            Please, do explain.

          • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:27 am #

            Wait a minute. So its beneath me to want to have a heart to heart with good ole Beto? Now I thought he was simply wonderful and so shouldn’t I want to, I mean, need to speak with him? Sorry he seems like an Anglo to me. There isn’t any way to get around it. Just listen to him for five seconds. Sorry that his lack of Hispanic authenticity bothers you.

          • Nightowl September 18, 2019 at 3:56 am #

            Come on SSL,

            Lots of Irish-Americans are called “Beto.” Everyone knows this. Particularly when they want Latios to vote for them.

            I heard Hill-Dawg also keeps a bottle of hotsauce on her at all times.

          • Tate September 18, 2019 at 10:59 pm #

            Hill-dawg, hahaha!!!

            The story goes “Beto” got his moniker from his dad, a local El Paso pol who wanted to give his son the advantage of a chicano nickname in case he followed the family dodge. Thinking ahead, eh? Unfortunately, “Beto” looks like a Howdy Doody-ass cracka minus the freckles. Maybe his head is made of wood, I don’t know.

          • SoftStarLight September 19, 2019 at 12:59 am #

            LOL Hill-dawg and Howdy Doody-ass cracka!!! What a productive thread ;-)!

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 3:30 am #

        SSL- that doesn’t comport with ANYONE’S reality, surely. It’s entirely possible to be a brilliant surgeon but have no clue about anything else. Of course, his ‘black’ behavior was limited to a bullshit ‘knife attack’. Lucky belt buckle!

        • Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

          He’s pretty dumb in a lot of ways. Thinks the Great Pyramid is hollow and was used to store grain.

          And if you think he’s smart, you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. Brilliant surgeon? Who knows. Maybe he’s good with his hands or something. Or maybe he’s just an Ok surgeon and the rest is hype because he’s Black.

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 6:23 pm #

            I wrote:
            “It’s entirely possible to be a brilliant surgeon but have no clue about anything else.”

            “IT’S”, not necessarily Ben Carson. But, according to that on-;ine fake news organ, Wikipedia:

            “Carson was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland from 1984 until his retirement in 2013. As a pioneer in neurosurgery, Carson’s achievements include performing the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head; performing the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb; performing the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins; developing new methods to treat brain-stem tumors; and revitalizing hemispherectomy techniques for controlling seizures.[3][4][5][6] ”

            But, of course, it could have been a case of Affirmative Action gone wild, Janos.

          • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:35 am #

            It’s funny you mention it like that. He always struck me as a super laid back and really slow moving type person. Not the personality type one would necessarily think of as being associated with brain surgeons. But then again what do I know.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:46 am #

            We don’t know. Some people are slow but amazing. Einstein used to tell his colleagues (when he worked others), please slow down, I’m not fast.

            And some become famous by taking the work of their gifted Graduate students and parading it as their own. In other words, they’re master politicians. Ben doesn’t strike me as this kind of person, but maybe he’s being hyped because Black. I’d have to get an assessment from a fellow surgeon I knew personally to be sure. Someone who worked with him or knew those who did.

            It’s possible he’s real. Maybe he’s an autist focused on medicine and his art, ignoring the rest of the World for the most part. I knew a light skinned Black Woman who was for real in STEM. There are a few. But she knew a lot about a lot of things.

          • Tate September 18, 2019 at 11:05 pm #

            Ben is a freak. He appeared on the vanishing right side of the bell-shaped IQ distribution for his demographic. He acts & talks like a white man. If there were ten of him for every Al Sharpton, no one would fear a Bantu with a blade.

          • Nightowl September 19, 2019 at 11:14 am #

            Wikipedia is not a news organ.

            It is a fake encyclopedia, often edited memory-hole style to reflect the political views of its owners.

  45. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 1:30 am #

    The Houthis and the Blowfish

    • SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 2:12 am #

      Are you going to see them play? I heard they were amazing!

      • Tate September 18, 2019 at 11:10 pm #

        That’s odd, I was just thinking of them. The name Hootie & the Blowfish hasn’t crossed my mind for years until this very afternoon.

        • SoftStarLight September 19, 2019 at 1:05 am #

          That is strange! And I just looked them up and they are doing a full reunion tour this year. The last time they were playing was in 2008. Maybe they want you to remember them lol.

  46. SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 1:59 am #

    Hmmm, I do understand the dilemma, but it sure does seem like the “some people did some things” brush over works. Will it ultimately work for this latest incident is anyone’s guess but if it does I will remember. Just think. You could really mess anything up bad and then just say “oh wow look, some people did some things!” And if people complain you have something to fall back on like “well hey at least it isn’t one of the world’s biggest oil fields and all.” No worries, no fuss, and no accountability, right?

  47. SoftStarLight September 17, 2019 at 2:10 am #

    It is amazing to me that there isn’t much more incredulity out there about “waiting for the Kingdom” when supposedly our spies are omnipresent and omnipotent, but magically we just can’t be sure right now what happened over yonder lol. And I am sorry but why do we have such a deep reverence for “the Kingdom” again? The last I checked we weren’t officially dhimmis though you wouldn’t know better from our leaders who all seem to be fighting over who bows to Mecca first.

    • Majella September 17, 2019 at 3:35 am #

      The answer is ‘we’re waiting to see if SA can pull ofc the story that Iran did it. If MBS et al can put up a convincing narrative. They may get Dongle’s help. Maybe not. Evidence apparently shows the misses came from the west. Iran is in the east…

      • messianicdruid September 17, 2019 at 8:34 am #

        What the blank has “evidence” got to do with it?

      • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:37 am #

        I wish we didn’t have to be involved in any of it.

    • volodya September 17, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

      Sitting thousands of miles away from the events in question all we can do is try to shoe-horn what we hear into what we already know, or think we know, and make the best call we can.

      As you say “our” spies are supposedly “omnipresent”. Supposedly. But I think not. Why? Because they keep missing the elephant walking through the room, elephants like the USSR collapse and the Iranian revolution.

      And then there’s that nonsense about Iraqi WMDs and that Russiagate baloney. In my books they’ve pretty much lost any credibility. Oh, and this surveillance thing they have going. Sadly, they’ve repeatedly covered themselves in disrepute.

      And “our” spies? Whose spies would they be? Would they be foreign sources spying on behalf of the US or some other western power? Given the wheels-within-wheels nature of the spy game how reliable is anything some foreigner coughs up? Are they double agents? Is American counter-intel worth a damn? Is any operation blown right from the get-go?

      Anyway, it’s like Andy Bacevich sez, the Saudis are not friends and every American military intervention in the middle east yields nothing but trouble. Stay the hell away.

      • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:42 am #

        I totally agree! Stay the hell away from hell!

    • Dunewalker September 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm #

      If a sovereign nation is attacked, isn’t it good manners for other nations, even allies, to wait to be asked before deciding on who and what punishment? Think 9/11, Pearl Harbor.

      • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:45 am #

        I agree. I just don’t like the idea of us taking orders from shifty Sheikhs.

  48. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 2:30 am #

    I don’t have any Nigerian friends.

    • Pucker September 17, 2019 at 2:34 am #

      I don’t have any Houthis friends.

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 3:39 am #

        Pucker, fess up…you don’t have any friends…

        • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 12:45 am #

          Excuse you.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 2:28 am #

            You are so kind. The world is a better place because you’re in it.

          • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 9:28 am #

            Awwwwww! Thank you! And the world is a better place because you are in it too and I am so glad I know you are in it :-).

  49. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 3:15 am #

    Do you know what they called the collaborator chiefs on “Indian Reservations?

    Answer: “Progressives”.

    “Adroit at “managing” Indians—that is to say, playing one faction against another— he had won over two of Sitting Bull’s most influential former lieutenants, the war chiefs Gall and Crow King. Both were now “progressives,” the title that agents accorded chiefs who cooperated with government programs. As for Sitting Bull, McLaughlin cast him as a reactionary, or “non-progressive,” chief who must be broken.“

    Peter Cozzens
    The Earth Is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West

  50. Majella September 17, 2019 at 4:20 am #

    Green Alba, where are you? This post has been a festival of testosterone and ‘rumors of war’ and could use an injection of plain old common sense.

    I get that you like, from time to time, resist the opioid attraction of the Comments Conversation, only dropping in when someone attributed a misconstrued position they BELIEVE you’ve taken…only to be be gently but effectively shot down.

    Surely you have something to say re:this current ‘existential crisis’ moment (potentially),to lead the narrative somewhere productive?

    Sorry if this is ‘too much pressure’ but you have such a broad & deep view of issues and an eloquent & succinct way of delivering it.

    Cheers

    • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 7:27 am #

      I believe GA mentioned she was going into the hospital for surgery. If I’m correct, GA, I hope all went well.

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 7:36 am #

        Ah, BRH, I believe you’re correct. Thanks for the reminder.

        GA, best wishes, friend.

      • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 9:17 pm #

        BRH, Just curious as to whether you acquired a copy of “Rise of the Robots” yet? If you have, after you’ve read it, I would like to hear your opinion on the whole thing.

  51. tucsonspur September 17, 2019 at 5:49 am #

    A GOO FROM THE BRINK

    Have no doubt. The goo is oil and the brink is the Middle East, where we may just wind up falling off the edge into conflagration and catastrophe.

    Strange, mysterious alignments have set the stage for global cataclysm. Dinocars still rule and ruin the Earth, living on Dead Life formed eons ago, perversely and bizarrely exhaling this Dead Life by way of combustion chamber cremation.

    Dinocars will guzzle ’till the Black Lagoons run dry, then starve to death as their masters fall and die. Yes, the Goo trap has been set and the situation is severely sticky. We’re stuck in the web Nature has spun, dangling on the brink of disaster.

    There is not much we can do, mired in the Goo. Go back to your bars, your bowling alleys, your massage parlors, your ball games, your serious and frivolous pursuits, your caucuses, your committees, your conventions, your elections. Your bickering and dickering. Your hollow harangues. Your families, your children. No matter. Nature has sent the Goo, the Black Death, to get you.

    It is the Age, the Moment, of Autosaurus Destructus and Black Goo Robustus.

    • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 7:25 am #

      And yet, Dodge is selling a new model ‘Charger’ that puts out 800 bhp. And if I’m not mistaken Ford will top it in a new production Mustang producing 850 hp. The price of these behemoths is north of $70,000. I’m not sure who the target market is. Is it 1967 all over again?

      Brh

      • messianicdruid September 17, 2019 at 8:30 am #

        If it was 1967 I’d go for the Chevelle.

        • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

          Chevelle SS. Sweet!

          Correction. Above mentioned muscle cars retailing for $40,000, not $70,000.

          A bargain.

          Brh

    • Tate September 18, 2019 at 11:17 pm #

      Why can’t we just stay in our own hemisphere & invade Venezuela? Oh, that’s right. Hagee, Pompeo, Pence & Co, i.e., CUFI (Christians United for Israel.)

  52. FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 7:30 am #

    A sales call from the Russian MIC

    RUSSIA OFFERS SAUDI ARABIA SAME MISSILE DEFENSE IT SOLD IRAN AFTER U.S. SYSTEMS FAIL TO STOP ATTACK

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday his country was “ready to provide appropriate assistance to Saudi Arabia” in the wake of attacks claimed Saturday by the Yemeni Zaidi Shiite Muslim rebel group known as Ansar Allah, or the Houthis, against the Abqaiq oil-processing site and Khurais oil field. Putin said Saudi Arabia could better protect itself “by making a wise state decision, as Iran has already done in buying the S-300 Russian missile system and as [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan has already done in buying the S-400 Russian missile system.”

    newsweek.com/russia-saudi-missiles-same-iran-1459510

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

      Gee, do you think Russia is playing geopolitical games with us?

      Duh!

  53. fugeguy September 17, 2019 at 9:18 am #

    Something is off with this incident.

    Ghawar is dying used to be a thing but large salt water injections and some small new discoveries bought a couple of decades.

    As a crazy side theory-

    – SA did this to themselves.
    – To cover up that they can no longer maintain a flowrate of 10-10.5 mmb/d.
    – Use this excuse and the damage to scale down to 5-6 mmb/d and blame (scapegoat) someone else.

    Time will tell but I would keep an eye on where the production from the house of Saud is 6 months from now.

    The thing that makes sense here is that the US has suddenly stopped kissing princes butts the last 3-4 years. Well within the US mentality to move on if the black gold is almost gone or production rates have finally reached a tipping point where SA is no longer a major player.

    Big difference between being the largest or near largest producer with 2/3 mmp/d spare capacity and being #3 or 4 with no spare capacity. Seismic shift in the oil power structure.

    • This is the kind of harebrained speculation only a person with lesions on their frontal lobe could cpme up with. I recommend a palliative prescription of The New York Times. Daily delivery is a bargain and would do wonders to reconnect your synapses to reality.

      “Certain dementia costs are fixed, no matter where you live and what level of care your loved one requires. For example, a Consumer Reports study found that dementia and Alzheimer’s medications cost an average $177 to $400+ per month, while the Alzheimer’s Association places the average around $3,000 per year (about $250 per month).”

      (I’m not saying a subscription to The New York Times will prevent or cure any condition, or that such a prescription is necessary preventive, but I have a strong intuition that, in your case, it could be helpful. And considering the cost savings of a preventive treatment, a subscription at $1080 annually could be the ounce of prevention offsetting the proverbial pound of cure.)

      • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

        “a subscription at $1080 annually”

        SnakPak,
        Jesus…that costs more than my car is worth….

    • Tate September 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm #

      Good call. We know that reservoirs decline. This is an immutable law (2nd Thermodynamic?) We know that the Sauds aren’t stupid (at least at the highest levels.) They also aren’t burdened with the West’s various manias of hyper-politico-correctness. What you are suggesting is a plausible hypothesis. What we do know with arithmetic precision is that the NYT is infected with neo-conservative ass-kissing.

      • fugeguy September 18, 2019 at 10:12 am #

        Part of the thoughts came from looking at the satellite imagery.

        Some of the tank damage looks like something from a Hollywood set. The hits on the spheroid tanks are particularly suspicious.

        And why pay to read the New York Times when I can get exactly the same words from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or Fox for that matter as all read from the same script written by central casting as edited by Winny Smith?

    • fugeguy September 19, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

      Food for thought on this topic

      finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi-aramco-never-asked-iraq-170000264.html

  54. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 9:28 am #

    “Hell Yes, We’re going to take your guns!”

    Beto

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

    • fugeguy September 17, 2019 at 9:31 am #

      Beta is not part of the we’re…

  55. FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 9:46 am #

    Today’s Israeli elections, which will be crucial for US elections

    I wrote several times a year ago about the military-political alliance of Putin’s Russia, Trump USA and Israel of Netanyahu, which manifested itself in the fact that Russia allowed Israel to bomb the Iranians in Syria, Israel did not allow Hillary to gobble up Trump, and Trump did not allow Clinton America to start a nuclear war with Russia.

    And all this collapsed when Avigdor Lieberman, then the Minister of Defense of Israel, allowed Israeli pilots to attack targets in Syria in such a way that the Syrian air defense shot down a Russian aircraft landing at the Khmeimim airbase.

    Moreover, this action was timed to coincide with another attempted coup in the United States, when President Trump was to be removed from his post, as not capable to cope with the consequences of Hurricane Francis.

    Then a higher force intervened in this game on a large chessboard and the largest hurricane in US history suddenly died down, not reaching 50 miles to the US coast.

    And all this happened against the backdrop of another attempt to finally resolve the Jewish question by providing Iran with nuclear weapons, despite, or rather, thanks to the repeated promises of Iranian ayatollahs to deliver a nuclear strike against Israel as soon as possible.

    And when Hillary’s plans were hit by the aforementioned blow from Above, Trump finally became convinced of the true nature of the geopolitical concept of the “Shield of Israel,” which is the fundamental religious and political concept of the Episcopates and other clones of the Anglican Church in the United States.

    Moreover, the position that Trump took on the Ukrainian question suggests that, having been assured of the “Shield of Israel”, he remembers that the real creator of the state of Israel was Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

    Meanwhile, in Israel, the highest posts are full of supporters of Hillary Clinton, and Netanyahu went under investigation, which they are conducting. He needed to be re-elected in April 2019, and Trump, remembering that it was Israel and Netanyahu who personally played a decisive role in concluding the Big Bargain with the Bush Clan, threw the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the annexation of the Golan Heights to the electoral scales in Israel. And the Big Bargain allowed Brett Kavanaugh to become a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and this effectively put an end to the Mueller’s investigation.

    But the recognition of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights was not enough and it took a Russian contribution to the victory of Netanyahu in the elections – the transfer of the remains of an Israeli soldier who died in Syria many years ago.

    Nevertheless, Netanyahu won by a margin so small that he was unable to form a government and was forced to call new elections when he realized that Avigdor Lieberman was negotiating with him to participate in the government only to delay time and provide an excuse for the President of Israel to give power to Netanyahu’s rival named Ben Ganz without any election whatsoever.

    And Ben Ganz leads the Kahol Lavan election bloc, the third number being Moshe Yaalon (Misha Smilyansky), who has repeatedly publicly stated that ISIS victory and standing behind ISIS Saudi Arabia in Syria is more beneficial for Israel, which is especially important in light of the recent drone attack to the world’s largest refinery.

    As you understand, at the final stage of the creation of the atomic bomb, Iran needs this attack on the Saudi refinery, just as Russia needs the victory of Hillary Clinton in the US elections.

    Unfortunately, Netanyahu managed to get himself into Ukrainian politics and now his chances are even less than in April, and the American Jews supporting Trump took such an unprecedented step as warning the Israelis that supporting Benny Ganz in the elections means that Israel will have to face Iran on its own.

    Moreover, they went to the partial exposure of the Black World Project in Israel and the USA – another step in this direction and they will have to admit that Hillary Clinton and those who support her policy in Israel are followers of Chamberlain, who brought peace from Munich, and Allen Dulles who made a separate peace in Bern with Himmler.

    Levin blasts Israel’s ‘anti-Netanyahu’ media:

    youtube.com/watch?v=Occlp25pGuw

  56. marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 10:06 am #

    New “Axis of Evil” in the Middle East?

    From Slavoj Zizek,The Independent

    The media attention grabbed by the “game-changing” attack also conveniently distracted us from other truly game-changing projects like the Israeli plan to annex large, fertile chunks of the West Bank. What this means is that all the talk about the two state solution was just that; empty talk meant to obfuscate the ruthless realisation of a modern-day colonisation project in which what awaits the West Bank Palestinians will be in the best case a couple of tightly controlled Bantustans. One should also note that Israel is doing this with the silent connivance of Saudi Arabia – a further proof that a new axis of evil is emerging in the Middle East composed of Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt and the emirates. It is here that the rules of the game are truly changing!

    I’ll say it again, there ain’t no good response to this attack on KSA, whether it was the Houthis or Iran. The Donald made a monumental blunder leaving the JCPOA and imposing sanctions, and we’re all going to pay the price.

    While some here argue that Israel has open arms rhetoric of peace towards the “Mullahs” the facts on the ground are a lot more telling and brutal: periodic slaughter of unarmed Gazans, bombing raids on Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, and now a plan to annex illegal settlements in the West Bank.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 10:15 am #

      Marcus, you obviously understand Middle East politics much better than a gray bunny understands Riemannian geometry.

      • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 10:25 am #

        Gee Fincaintheanthill, maybe not. But one thing I am sure of is I understand plain clear English better than you.

        • FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 10:33 am #

          plain clear English

          You mean like in Comics books?

          • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 10:39 am #

            Yes, as compared to impenetrable baroque nonsense.

          • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

            “impenetrable baroque ”

            Marcus,
            …nice….

        • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 10:48 am #

          The JCPOA is gone in another five years, then what? In the meantime, with help from the Russians, the Iranians have put together what appears to be a good missile defense system and a good working knowledge of cruise missiles and drones. Where did all this knowledge come from and how did it come into existence during a time of supposed peace treaty. Where did the cash come from to buy all this hardware if those terrible sanctions were in place. This does not add up at all. Maybe our $140 billion we shipped over to them might have something to do with it. In five years, they were to start up their nuke development and then would have lots of missiles to place them on.

          The JCPOA was a worthless piece of paper that Iran stated violating before the ink was dry. Do they have to expose the long range missiles capable of hitting the US or Europe, like NOKO, before someone will realize that this insane asylum is up to. Iran believes in the warlike parts of the Quran and supports fundamentalist Islam around the world. They will eventually try to knock out everyone that is not Shia Muslim, just like their Holy Book tells them to do.

          I read people talking like Iran is the good guy here. They are not! Not if you believe in a Western liberal democratic credo. Of course, if you are sympathetic to the Shia cause, Iran is your leader.

          In the meantime, Trump was right in exposing what a piece of crap the treaty was and then voiding it.

          Sidebar- if I was in Washington DC and not overwhelmed with who we are going to impeach this week, I would be asking the Pentagon and the CIA how 17 missiles got through the non-existent defense system we supplied to the Saudis. I would also wonder if my name is BeBe.

          • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 11:06 am #

            “The JCPOA is gone in another five years, then what? ”
            Make a new agreement.

            “In the meantime, with help from the Russians, the Iranians have put together what appears to be a good missile defense system and a good working knowledge of cruise missiles and drones. Where did all this knowledge come from and how did it come into existence during a time of supposed peace treaty.”

            This is silly, how dare they work to protect themselves! There are plans, videos, and parts available online to build a cruise missile for about $2,000.

            “Where did the cash come from to buy all this hardware if those terrible sanctions were in place. This does not add up at all. Maybe our $140 billion we shipped over to them might have something to do with it.”
            You mean THEIR money that the US was holding hostage.

            “The JCPOA was a worthless piece of paper that Iran stated violating before the ink was dry. ”
            Site the violations,

            ” Iran believes in the warlike parts of the Quran and supports fundamentalist Islam around the world. ”
            Nothing like our “friends” the Saudis.

            “I read people talking like Iran is the good guy here. They are not! Not if you believe in a Western liberal democratic credo.”
            I believe in leaving states alone that aren’t threatening us.

            “In the meantime, Trump was right in exposing what a piece of crap the treaty was and then voiding it.”
            Details, what was crappy about it? Independent analysts agreed there was no known violations of the treaty.

          • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 11:21 am #

            Cite your individual analysts. Make sure they are apolitical.

            The missile development, not just defensive, started right after the treaty was signed. Cruise missiles are offensive weapons. Iran’s missile development, offensively, has now reached a point where they feel they can attack at will a priMary source of world oil. What is next?

            I agree with you that the US should stay away from the oncoming conflict and if Sunnis and Shias want to knock the hell out of each other, let them. Hope the rest of the world has enough oil to do without ME version.

            Having to choose between Iran and Saudi Arabia is not a very palatable choice. Throw in Israel and it become even more difficult.

            Britain was the initial power that started the development of ME oil, remember Lawrence? The US got in there in 1943 with FDR deal making with King Faisal. As we expanded our power after the war, so did our influence with the Kingdom. Now, maybe we are going to turn over our power to Russia, China and Iran? We shall see.

          • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 11:23 am #

            And make a new agreement. What a joke. The Iranians will be in charge then. You are a sucker to think they will give up any power base they will have accumulated by then to sign any new treaty. The only response you will get from them is a loud laughing spell.

          • fugeguy September 17, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

            A smallish cruise missile of any value against hard targets has at least a 500# high explosive warhead which costs $5K to produce (just the payload) even in the third world. So a $2K estimate is for a toy delivering a firecracker.

            Iran has been doing much more than defending itself. The world is not a perfect place. But hopefully we can agree that having another medieval theocracy with nukes does not improve the world. Worse than NK.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 2:02 pm #

            Can you explain again what Christ meant by the “Synagogue of Satan”?

            Maybe like how after the British put down the Arab revolt, the Jews began a campaign of terrorism against them?

    • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:42 am #

      Palestinians by and large are a welfare state they can’t generate their own power, water or grow enough food to feed themselves.
      They also have no industry and their birth rate is astronomical.
      Your post actually lacks true understanding of what is really going on.

      You should actually wander on over there and see what is really going on it would change your perspective. 100%

  57. marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 11:46 am #

    “Cite your individual analysts. Make sure they are apolitical.”
    The IAEA has several analysts.
    “The IAEA has found that Iran has complied with the JCPOA. The Trump administration has not disputed this assessment, and it certified in July 2017 that Iran was meeting the terms of the deal.”
    washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/09/fact-checking-president-trumps-reasons-for-leavin…

    “The missile development, not just defensive, started right after the treaty was signed. Cruise missiles are offensive weapons. Iran’s missile development, offensively, has now reached a point where they feel they can attack at will a priMary source of world oil. What is next?”

    Higher gas prices unless the US and Saudis stop their belligerent behavior.

    “And make a new agreement. What a joke. The Iranians will be in charge then. You are a sucker to think they will give up any power base they will have accumulated by then to sign any new treaty. The only response you will get from them is a loud laughing spell.”

    I think the US has forced their hand. They didn’t want a nuclear weapon but it may be necessary to do so so the US stops their hostility towards them. Libya’s fate is a bad example for them.

    • fugeguy September 17, 2019 at 12:09 pm #

      “I think the US has forced their hand. They didn’t want a nuclear weapon but it may be necessary to do so so the US stops their hostility towards them. ”

      Don’t agree. I think Iran has a whole lot of secular and religious ambitions that push them towards wanting nukes.

      “Libya’s fate is a bad example for them.”

      Agree. The greatest mistake(s) in foreign policy over the last decade were Syria and Libya- IMHO. Plus throw in some Iraq without a plan for what comes after…

      • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 12:37 pm #

        “Don’t agree. I think Iran has a whole lot of secular and religious ambitions that push them towards wanting nukes.”
        Let’s just say their leaders are cognizant and observant. The US has never attack a nuclear power.

        “The greatest mistake(s) in foreign policy over the last decade were Syria and Libya- IMHO. Plus throw in some Iraq without a plan for what comes after…”

        Dumbya’s war with Iraq was by far the most costly blunder in terms of blood and treasure. Getting mixed up with Iran will make Iraq look like a penny ante game.

        • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 1:08 pm #

          Are you sure? I remember in 1991 when the first Bush hit Iraq over Kuwait, a whole bunch of people predicted that Hussein was going to kick our butt. Hmmm! Colin Powell took care of that.

          W, and his gang wanted to finish the job. No problem, but where were all those WMD that were going to kick our butt.

          Iron is two geographic areas, desert over the bottom 70%, where all the missiles are and cooler and mountains in the north, where all the people live. If the US took the stops out, Iran would be an ashtray quickly. MOABs would do them in without even using missiles. And no Nukes. Cruise missiles and drones could take out most of their offensive weapons if a defensive posture is taken.

          You are right about one thing though. Human life becomes expendable when war is started. We had better know what our end game is, obliteration of the enemy, before we give one American life for protection of the oil patch. There will be significant losses. But remember we lost more folks on Dday that any of these Islam brush wars, defending the West from Hitler.

          • Majella September 17, 2019 at 9:01 pm #

            Wow. What a warmonger, what blood-lust.

            It’s too bad…even though the proximate cause of the attack on the refinery – IF IT WAS IRAN – would quite logically be the economic pressure of Trump’s & the US ‘establishment’s” sanctions which crush economies for no other reason than TPTB don’t ‘like’ another government’s attitude or position in conflict with their own.

            So, having impoverished the country viciously, you now anticipate blasting the living bejeezus out of its infrastructure, driving it back to a medieval level of existence. That worked out really well in Iraq, huh. In fact, it worked SO WELL, you think doing it again is a great idea.

            John AZ: “We had better know what our end game is, obliteration of the enemy before we give one American life for the protection of the oil patch. ”

            Yeah! What a freaking cheek! How’d those goddammed towelheads end up living on top of OUR oil???

          • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:10 am #

            You’re right and you’re wrong. John is a Zionist nut and warmonger, but you enjoy the fruits of the White Conquest and damn your Ancestors and Benefactors – when you should be all but worshiping them.

          • Nightowl September 18, 2019 at 4:03 am #

            I don’t recall that. I recall Shrub invading Iraq as part of the Neocon 7-countries strategy, drafted by his PNAC buddies.

            I also remember the MSM cheerleading us into war, and many American “patriots” cheering for it.

        • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 1:17 am #

          The US has never attack a nuclear power. – marcus

          ==========

          It’s attacked but that’s OK ’cause it’s only a typo.

      • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

        “A smallish cruise missile of any value against hard targets has at least a 500# high explosive warhead which costs $5K to produce (just the payload) even in the third world. So a $2K estimate is for a toy delivering a firecracker.”

        500# not needed for those targets, a small shaped charge fits the bill perfectly.

        • fugeguy September 18, 2019 at 1:49 pm #

          Shaped charges would change things but while a simple concept application is not easy. Many attempts to use them by militants around the world but with mixed results. Big bombs on target tend to always have the desired effect, shaped charges need near perfect conditions and geometry to be effective.

          Who knows in this case since what is really going on is most likely something completely different than it appears.

          • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

            ” Many attempts to use them by militants around the world but with mixed results.”

            Fuge,
            THAT is what is called “a learning curve”….

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

      I wish that you would care as much about here as you do about a bunch of war mongers over in the ME.

      They didn’t Want a nuclear weapon? What! Why do you think they want all those missiles and nukes? They want the Persian empire back! They want to subdue the rest of the Middle East and create the caliphate for Islam to launch its takeover of the world, just like Mohammed told them to do. How many power creeps, including our own variety here, will it take before you stop defending them.

      Iran is a truly bad government.

      You are worried about gas prices? Uh, you are reading JHKs blog, right. Iran just took out 50% of SA oil production. I think you are rooting for the wrong side. Gas prices are going to continue going up.

      Indefinitely!

      • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 1:58 pm #

        “They didn’t Want a nuclear weapon? What! Why do you think they want all those missiles and nukes? They want the Persian empire back! They want to subdue the rest of the Middle East and create the caliphate for Islam to launch its takeover of the world, just like Mohammed told them to do. How many power creeps, including our own variety here, will it take before you stop defending them.”

        Do you have a fucking comprehension problem? There was NO evidence of pursuit of nuclear weapons by Iran after 2003! I posted all my sources unlike you that just blasts paranoid, imaginary bullshit.

        They want the Persian empire back? I don’t know what’s in their heart of hearts and neither do you. All I go by is what the independent evidence speaks to. What do they DO not what threats and bullshit are spread. And they were NOT in pursuit of a nuke when the Donald left the agreement.

        I’m not “rooting” for anyone here, I’m laying out my reading of the facts. You just don’t like the facts.

        The Donald made a big blunder and the Iranians are making him pay, and they got the fool exactly where they want him. We have been badly served by another incompetent.

        • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 3:22 pm #

          The only president that the Iranians have not played since 1979 is Reagan.

        • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 9:22 pm #

          Well Marcus, sometime those pesky facts get in the way of good government policy.

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:47 am #

          Or Iran has done a better job of hiding those pesky sites out of fear from Israel and the US attack or even another stuxnet event.

  58. K-Dog September 17, 2019 at 11:52 am #

    Did the rain clouds over SA prevent American satellites from watching the flight path of the drones? That must be because if those drones were launched from Iran there would be pictures and graphs showing it splashed all over the NY Times . Splashed all over the pages of the lying rag of record by now.

    Perhaps new satellites will have infrared cameras with which to see through Saudi Arabian rain clouds. We do after all have ‘tech’ to do it.

    • Rain clouds, under a full moon, an object moving about 400 mph. These aren’t aspects resolvable by low orbit reconnaissance, sorry. Moving less than 100 feet off the ground they can’t be seen by conventional radar either.

      Meanwhile nuclear DNA can be recovered from a degraded hair shaft. Cold cases are going to continue to thaw out.

      Also what are people’s plans for the Climate Strike? Coming on Friday the strike will occur in all 50 states. New York City has cleared the way by excusing absences.

      • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

        Going on strike against bad weather?

        • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

          BRH

          Hey, there is an idea.

          We will get all these folks to go on strike against climate change,

          Then lock them out. Never to return to their jobs.

          Problem solved! No more planes, no more commutes, no more industrial usage of FF, etc.

          Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it.

          Think about GND. It has the same effect.

          • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:48 am #

            They should all just quit breathing for a day that would help out what they believe is the problem

        • Nightowl September 19, 2019 at 11:19 am #

          One of the filthiest hovels in the world striking against the climate.

          Makes sense, actually.

      • K-Dog September 17, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

        “Even as U.S. assessments pointed to a cruise missile strike directly from Iran, not Yemen”

        Ignoring the fact that satellites asses threats larger than a basketball in real time could archeological sand sifting ultimately reveal who did this to Bonesaw? Could bones from sand and pyramid power lead us to the truth? Nothing else seems to be doing the trick. Perhaps David Icke knows.

        The important thing about the gas strike is not to buy gas on Friday. That is what will be noticed and it is a very easy thing to do. Fill up before Thursday. Just do it. Move the needle. That is all you have to do for now.

        A problem with denying that drone heat trails would be noticed and saying the drones were not lit up by radar is that it means Houthis could have sent the drones after all. Like they say they did.

        • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 1:36 pm #

          Houthis are known for their advanced avionics capabilities, machine tool acumen, ordnance manufacturing, and formidable industrial output. They invented the lathe and Bridgeport milling machine, but the Christian’s stole it during the Crusades.

          • K-Dog September 17, 2019 at 2:59 pm #

            Fifty pounds of explosives a few camels and everything else that money can buy. Nice try. I think the CIA gives them free shipping. Do tell.

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 1:24 pm #

      That is a damn good question. I hope there are a lot of hot seats in the Pentagon right now explaining how those missiles got to their targets.

      • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:51 am #

        Who is doing the maintenance on all the equipment?
        If it’s the Saudi military I promise the PMS has been gun decked for years.

  59. JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

    Remember that this oil strike is aimed at the world, not just the US. We do not even buy close to the output of SA. Iran has taken a huge risk here to reassert its power base in the ME. If it is okay to blow up the oil production of SA, it is perfectly okay to take out Iran’s. Okay world, where are you now?

    Sidebar. Where are all these other countries to defend their oil turf?

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 1:22 pm #

      Sidebar2.

      Let the ME blow itself up, the US with its fracking can keep the lights lit, the heat and AC on, and a modicum of its energy needs supplied. So can Russia. There are countries that totally depend on oil from there for all needs, so who ends up winning the oil game.

      Not China, not NOKO, not Iran and SA, now ashtrays. We will be back to US, Russia controlling everything.

      • FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 2:00 pm #

        We will be back to US, Russia controlling everything.

        After the new Yalta agreement is signed. The previous one was ruined by Truman, who got too excited of being a sole owner of an atomic bomb.

        Anybody could remind me what we fought a Cold War over?

  60. messianicdruid September 17, 2019 at 1:56 pm #

    Who knew?

    “Well, almost everyone who didn’t mind being designated a conspiracy theorist for years. And now comes vindication, because this has just been confirmed by the DOJ, which accused the PM trading desks at JPMorgan of being deeply involved in what prosecutors described as a “massive, multiyear scheme to manipulate the market for precious metals futures contracts and defraud market participants.”

    In an indictment unsealed on Monday morning, the DoJ charged Michael Nowak, a JPMorgan veteran and former head of its precious metals trading desk and Gregg Smith, another trader on JPM’s metals desk, in the probe. (Blythe Masters was somehow omitted).”

    zerohedge.com/markets/three-jpmorgan-traders-charged-massive-gold-market-manipulation-fraud

    • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 2:36 pm #

      Does this mean gold is underpriced, or overpriced right now (at about $1500 per oz)?

      If you want to know the price of an oz of Oaxacan Red, you’ll have to e mail Beto.

    • BuckP September 17, 2019 at 2:37 pm #

      So I guess Rob Kirby was right all along!

      Trading of paper (fake) gold determines physical gold price! Phony market! In fact, all markets are phony! We live in a world of magical thinking! Rub the magic lamp and out pops a fat, turban-headed banker with trillions of paper fiat dollars to give to his closest buds!

      Gold is the canary in the coal mine! Freed from manipulation, gold will accurately enumerate the true value of the hyperinflated dollar and other fiat curriencies. I bet they won’t be worth much! Maybe, in the end, the almighty dollar will have value as a funeral pyre!

      • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

        Scarcity determines value.

        If someone discovered a volcano shaft under the Greenland ice sheet that was composed of solid gold so that the market was saturated, the value of gold would be zip. Same with diamonds, Antwerp definitely controls the amount of diamond mining to control the price.

        If I was able to convince the world that cow flop was valuable, we might have a cow flop market. Remember at one time that tulip bulbs were worth their weight in gold.

        For an investor, the future is key. Gold probably is not in bulk anywhere, so gold will be valuable forever. Same with diamonds. The substance must be useful to many, many people. No use, no value. Beach sand is not worth much, nor sea water.

        If one could convince the world that the dollar bill was worth a certain amount of value, say one manhour of work, then the markets could operate with that basis. Gold and diamonds would be commodities only. But a dollar is really only a piece of linen paper and what it is worth is a fantasy.

        In the future, what is going to be scarce and useful both.

        Easy, oil, wood, fresh water, arable land with topsoil available, ie the basics of living that are becoming scarcer rapidly. Their value is rising.

        Oh yeah, you think the leaders of Iran do not understand this.

        • messianicdruid September 17, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

          Gold is a sapling, silver is an acorn.

        • BuckP September 17, 2019 at 4:49 pm #

          Good comments JohnAZ!

          Along the Front range of eastern Colorado, once high yield farmland, rich, fertile topsoil is being continually scraped for new subdivisions. Urban sprawl without end! Also, the Ogallala aquifer, the lifeblood of the Great Plains, is being rapidly depleted. Replenishment takes centuries.

          According to Rob Kirby, one of the biggest problems with the dollar continuing as the world’s reserve currency is that the total amount of money created is unknown, since tens of trillions of dollars have been created covertly as dark money.

  61. BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 3:00 pm #

    Apparently it’s harder to knock out oilfields than one might think. On August 1, 1942, 178 heavy bombers departed Libya, headed to the Ploesti oil fields in Romania, main supplier of petroleum to the German army. 177 of the bombers reached the target and dumped their payload of heavy explosives and incendiaries on the wells and refineries, losing 80 aircraft in the process. Much damage was done, but within days the facilities were up and running, pumping and refining oil.

    Here’s a factoid: out of the 7 billion barrels of oil it took for the allies to win WW2, 6 1/2 billion of them came from inside the continental United States. By 1944 we were tapped out, which led to Roosevelt’s and laterTrumans oil deals and treaties with Saudi Arabia, which had plenty of untapped reserves.

    Brh

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 3:18 pm #

      Yup.

      Britain was there since WW1, we followed on behind as our need for oiling the war machine grew larger than Britain’s.

      The superstructure of oil wells is pipe, easy to store and repair. Other than that it is a hole in the ground.

      BTW, Hitler had to supply the oil to his war machine, and the Ploesti fields did not get it. Hence Project Barbarossa and the attempted takeover of the Caspian oil fields from Russia. Only problem, Stalingrad and a whole bunch of pissed off Russians.

      Thank God!

      • FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

        Plan Barbarossa was far from being about the Caspian oil fields. It was about total obliteration of 75% of the Russians and enslaving the rest 25%.

        The Generalplan Ost was the Nazi German government’s plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale, and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans.

        It was to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II. The plan was partially attempted during the war, resulting indirectly and directly in millions of deaths of ethnic Slavs by starvation, disease, or extermination through labor.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

    • FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 3:20 pm #

      My father flew quite a few missions bombing Romania oil fields, I think in 1943, as a bomber-navigator.

      • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

        Interesting, Finca

        You never mentioned your dad was an aviator before.

      • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 3:55 pm #

        My father in law flew P51 escorts for the bombers flying the Ploesti raids.

    • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

      “Apparently it’s harder to knock out oilfields than one might think. ”

      Not with a “shaped charge” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge
      connected to a high accuracy missile, aimed at high pressure gas tanks.

      This truly is a game changer.

      Houthis are saying they had help with targeting on the ground through Saudi dissidents.

      For your enjoyment: how to make a turbo jet engine in your garage from car parts. youtube.com/watch?v=dYFYZ-g7fzA&feature=youtu.be

      • BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 3:32 pm #

        Well, I guess advances in ordnance have been made since 1942. Funny I never thought of that.

        Brh

  62. JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 4:08 pm #

    The issue that arose in 2018 was the IAEAs request to inspect the military bases in Iran for signs of nuclear enrichment. They were refused, and at the same time it was noted that inspections of sites in Iran were done from Iranian inspection report reviews rather than direct inspections. Nikki Haley went through the UN to request IAEA access to the military bases for nuclear and was refused again. IAEA was now considered unreliable. When the Iranians were called out, it was announced that they would have their enriching centrifuges up in a month. The administration did not think much of all this, and withdrew. We still do not know if continued development of nuclear weapons capability was conducted on military bases. And obviously, the Iranians did not want us or the IAEA to know.

    • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 4:32 pm #

      Where’s your citation John? Iran was in compliance with the agreement.

      Iran was in compliance with the agreement. Trump et al might not have liked the agreement, but you have to ask yourself, are you better off now then you were before with the agreement in place?

      • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 5:11 pm #

        Here goes:

        Middle East Institute 1/15/2018

        Iran rejects US Demand for Inspection of Military Sites

        Reuter’s. 8/29/2017

        Iran Rejects US Demand for the UN Visit to Military Sites

        LA Times 8/30/2017

        Iran says Military Sites are Off-limits for Nuclear Inspections despite US Pressure.

        Hmm! Iran, you got anything to hide here? Is Iran in compliance in a straight forward manner to the terms, I doubt it. We really do not know for sure. And the IAEA initiated the military site complaint.

        • pkrugman September 17, 2019 at 5:25 pm #

          This one is all on Trump. Trump came in and cancelled the deal that mandated inspections, with which Iran was obeying. Then Trump put economic sanctions on Iran. Now Iran is pissed. They are not hiding anything. They are just reacting to Trump’s aggression.

        • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 5:35 pm #

          Jesus John, your own sources quote the IAEA as saying Iran was in compliance! You must read something and then imagine something else. I can see you attraction to the Donald.

      • Q. Shtik September 17, 2019 at 11:07 pm #

        are you better off now then you were before – marcus1

        ============

        It is amazing how many people do not understand the difference between then and than yet they think they understand the politics of the mid East.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

          It’s amazing how you don’t understand the difference between a typo and having major cognitive deficits and illusions.

          • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 12:49 am #

            Not a TYPO! He just doesn’t understand and there are many like him on this site.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:14 am #

            Well it’s possible. Language is important and many never bother to meditate on it. A mistake of course.

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 10:57 am #

          Then time related.
          than used when making a comparison.
          Language is important but ideas are more so.
          In the end the point is made either way.

          • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 11:57 am #

            In the end the point is made either way. – benr

            ============

            No, I’m afraid not.

  63. pkrugman September 17, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

    Exscotticus says: it’s that she lied and put down that she’s a NA on her Harvard application to give herself an unfair AA based advantage.

    Negative, Exscotticus. More disinformation from you.

    “Harvard University’s decision to hire Elizabeth Warren as a law professor in the 1990s was not based on any assertion that she has Native American heritage, according to a report by the Boston Globe.

    The newspaper reports that interviews and documents show the issue was not considered by Harvard Law faculty or those who admitted the now U.S. senator from Massachusetts to law school at Rutgers or to jobs at The University of Houston, The University of Texas, and the University of Pennsylvania.

    “She was not on the radar screen at all in terms of a racial minority hire,” Randall, Kennedy, a law professor who was in charge of recruiting minority candidates to Harvard Law School, told the Globe. “It was just not an issue. I can’t remember anybody ever mentioning her in this context.”

    • JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 5:25 pm #

      I do not care about the Pocahontas incident.

      I do care that she is so ignorant that she does not realize her, and the Dem platform is going to destroy the fiscal and foreign integrity of this country.

      • Exscotticus September 17, 2019 at 11:44 pm #

        You should care. Whether or not someone commits fraud is not based on whether or not they get away with it. Dems argue that she didn’t get any advantage from her lie. That’s not the point. She lied. And she knew damn well that her lie might give her an advantage. And Dems have given her a free pass, as though this fraud does not speak to her character and disqualify her for office.

        • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 1:05 am #

          That’s not the point. She lied. And she knew damn well that her lie might give her an advantage. – Exsc

          ==============

          Bingo!! Precisely!!

          I am reminded of a news item from 20-30 years ago. There were these two Irish brothers in Boston. They were as Irish as Paddy’s Pig (or Patty’s, if that is your preference). They wanted to become firemen and were pissed off that affirmative action was giving an advantage to blacks. So they simply (and absurdly) declared that they were black or perhaps half black, and threw the whole system into a quandary.

          • benr September 18, 2019 at 11:06 am #

            Odd how unfair it all is.
            When I joined the NAVY I scored a 90 on the ASVAB and as a white male all they wanted to offer me was store keeper, cook and military police.
            I then told them I had Cherokee ancestors and Walla I was able to pick what I wanted to do. Suddenly they were pushing me towards the nuke program but I chose Electronics instead and became a SPS-49 RADAR Technician and I coasted through the program making test scores in the high 80’s.

            I know full well the intense dislike of affirmative action I also tried to get on the city of Beverly hills fire department and was soundly rejected in favor of people who scored lower on the written test and the tower! Why they needed more blacks and Hispanics so they did not get sued had I but thought about Grandma being born on the reservation I would be retired right now.

          • Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 12:12 pm #

            and Walla I was able to pick what I wanted to do. – benr

            ==============

            I acknowledge the content of your comment but would like to point out that the word I have italicized should be voila, pronounced vwahlah, not wahlah.

            I hope our host is not reading any of my recent shit…he would be so pissed and I could expect a warning email at any moment.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:04 am #

        Well yes John, that’s very foolish. Race is everything to them and she has vowed to hunt Whites down who don’t tow the line. This is her Achilles Heel. I mean have you no strategic ability at all? Trump is all about strategy – and that’s all he has going for him. You could learn from this large orange predator, but instead you laud him for things he doesn’t have at all.

        You are consistent in being endlessly all mixed up about most everything.

    • Exscotticus September 17, 2019 at 11:35 pm #

      They claim this. AND YET THEY ASK FOR RACE. If race didn’t matter, doesn’t matter, then why ask?

      Regardless of whether or not race was a factor, it doesn’t change the fact that Warren committee premeditated fraud to give herself an AA based advantage.

  64. JohnAZ September 17, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

    Another subject

    Vaping. Listen to the press and it sounds like the world is coming to an end. My main complaint is why is it that a report does not emerge saying what the best guesses of what is causing the aggravated pneumonias. Theories abound about what is causing it. I think it is interesting that all the liberal states are nailing the flavored smoking liquids and trying to ban them. In spite of one of the main theories is the inclusion of THC based liquids with the other liquids into the device. Something about some form of fat in the THC liquid.

    But, I forgot, marijuana is hands off, especially in the liberal states. We have had cigarettes killing folks for decades, now absolutely no studies on vaping and scarce studies on marijuana on whether they are as dangerous or even more dangerous than tobacco.

    Why? Vaping corporations want their profits and states want their taxes on marijuana. Maybe when the Roundup and asbestos lawsuits go full blast, this crap will stop.

    • KesaAnna September 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm #

      ” I think it is interesting that all the liberal states are nailing the flavored smoking liquids and trying to ban them. In spite of one of the main theories is the inclusion of THC based liquids with the other liquids into the device. Something about some form of fat in the THC liquid.

      But, I forgot, marijuana is hands off, especially in the liberal states. ”

      In the Catholic Church today , unpaid , volunteer positions that might bring you within five feet of a child , once in a blue moon , not uncommonly now require a background check !

      At the same time , it’s rather obviously taboo to mention that the circumstances that brought about such policies only involved children about one – fourth of the time , but involved HOMOSEXUALITY about three- fourths of the time.

      That scapegoating homosexuality is no longer in fashion , could not possibly have anything to do with the curiously lop-sided reaction ?

      I think it’s pretty obvious that the shit coming out of all these SUV tailpipes is pretty damn bad for the health of humans — and trees , and dogs , and birds , and bees.

      I think it’s really fucking SUSPICIOUS that , instead , we really get our panties in a twist over the one drug that IS NOT intoxicating or Zombie-fying.

      But that’s me.

      • Majella September 17, 2019 at 7:13 pm #

        The best vape for marijuana involves no oils or solvents – just pack your head into the capsule and heat it to 410 degrees Fahrenheit. No smoke, no great cloud of vapor and very little smell.

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 11:10 am #

          VAPING IS DANGEROUS!
          They use some pretty nasty chemicals in the process.
          Benzene and ethylene glycol to name two.
          Sucking down those two substances among many of the others is insane.

  65. BackRowHeckler September 17, 2019 at 5:22 pm #

    E R Hamilton books in Falls Village, CT, have copies available of JHKs ‘The Geography of Nowhere’, $5.95. $4.00 shipping per order, not per copy.

    Brh

  66. pkrugman September 17, 2019 at 5:31 pm #

    “to destroy the fiscal and foreign integrity of this country.” –JohnAZ

    Yes, Trump is doing a good job of destroying our foreign alliances, bowing to Saudi princes, running up our national debt, engaging in deficit spending, trade tariffs, industrial agriculture bailouts in the Billions, increasing the number of people without health insurance, encouraging the massacres by tweeting out the white supremacy ammunition / inspiration, etc.

    • marcus1 September 17, 2019 at 5:42 pm #

      Fitting the accelerated decline of the US empire to be initiated by a clown

  67. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 7:10 pm #

    Cokie Roberts was Such-a-Whore….

    “Renowned ABC News journalist and political commentator Cokie Roberts has died at the age of 75.

    Roberts won countless awards, including three Emmys, throughout her decades-long career. She has been inducted into the Broadcasting and Cable Hall of Fame and was cited by the American Women in Radio and Television as one of the 50 greatest women in the history of broadcasting. She was named a “Living Legend” by the Library of Congress in 2008.

    “We will miss Cokie beyond measure, both for her contributions and for her love and kindness,” her family said in a statement.”

    • Q. Shtik September 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm #

      Cokie Roberts has died at the age of 75. – Puck

      ===============

      Suddenly 75 is all the rage for dying. First it was that galoot from the Cars (all ears and adam’s apples) and now Cokie ‘Coke head’ Roberts. Just kiddin’.

      My brother died exactly 5 years ago on this date. It wasn’t discovered until 5 days later. It was a complete surprise. No preceding illness or warning of any sort. A day does not go by that I don’t recall the oddness of his life and the circumstances of his death.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:01 am #

      A life of privilege, of doing what a modern woman is supposed to do and hating those whom one is supposed to hate: White Men and Traditional America.

      She was a non-entity and now she has been judged even as we all shall be. May God have mercy on her blighted soul.

      Cokie. Just meditate on that name, one befitting her demented state of consciousness. The WASPS are so weird – it’s no wonder they’ve lost their civilization and are headed for the scrap heap of history.

      • malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:40 am #

        I was rong.

        goys they are or were.

        This is ‘the book’—-they lived in a mansion in Bethesda [Ive been there, its like Scarsdale]

        book–From Every End of This Earth: 13 Families and the New Lives They Made in America, 2009.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:19 am #

          Well the two groups are inter-married now to a considerable extent. Lucky for WASPS probably, otherwise they’d be out in the cold completely by now.

    • malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:28 am #

      she was married to some powerful lib. both jews, if I recall.
      one wrote one of those ‘give us yr huddled masses’ books…as if she would ever invite wetbacks to live in her mansion.

  68. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 7:22 pm #

    I wonder if there’s a high turnover among staff working in bio weapons labs, or whether the employees report high levels of job satisfaction? What about blokes working in the county morgue or funeral “homes”, apart from your occasional necrophiliac?

    “A massive gas explosion has sparked a fire at a Russian lab that houses viruses ranging from smallpox to Ebola, authorities have said.

    The State Research Centre of Virology and Biotechnology has said a cylinder exploded in lab which is one of two places in the world that houses the smallpox disease which has been eradicated in the world.”

    • Iananna September 17, 2019 at 9:19 pm #

      NB – smallpox has not been eradicated, it still exists in many areas of the planet.
      Fortunately (?) these regions tend not to have easy access to transport.

    • Political weather report for tomorrow, September 18th:

      Expect climate strike walkouts across much of the country. Stores may close, Starbucks may close during the afternoon. McDonald’s may close. Certain international flights will be delayed.

      September 19th: The media will report on millions of children in the streets of cities around the world, holding signs. Flights will resume. Starbucks will be open. McDonald’s will be open. Negotiations with the Taliban will be open. Negotiations with Iran will be closed. All eyes on the Federal reserve.

      September 20th: Escaped smallpox arrives at LaGuardia at 3:30 am.

      September 21st: Government offices are closed, state and local employees are on strike and business as usual continues.

      September 22nd. A lazy Sunday with the dog and the boy in the yard sipping Lemonade, John Cougar Mellencamp playing on the stereo.

      September 23rd: First accounts of illnesses simultaneously across state lines cause CDC to declare Health emergency.

      September 24th: All points bulletin interrupts across the country: The entire population that does not have a reason to be outside their homes must return to their homes immediately. Schools, Churches, Businesses, are shut down. The nation crowds around the glow of a shared internet.

      September 25th: Video images of extreme morbidity from across the world appear. Dead health officers. Dead civilians.

      September 26th: You begin to run out of food. Honestly, you and the boy didn’t think this would happen.

      September 27th: You are encouraged to stay in your house by the men in suits and masks, but they say it is fine to stand with the door open. They take a picture of you and your temperature from your forehead.

      September 28th: You and the boy have nothing to eat but peanut butter and hard alcohol. The men come back and tell you you’ll have to stay in your house. They hand you a box that’s labeled “UN Refugees” and it will be filled with bags of rice and dehydrated meal.

      September 29th: You and the boy start to settle in. You watch ongoing events, you post on blogrolls like Clusterfuck Nation. Food is filling, you have a few drinks. You see your neighbors house through the window and you think… you know what, I’ll go over there and see if Bob wants to have a beer. You open the door and sniff, the air dry and clean. The neighborhood is silent but filled with the noises of birds and little creatures. You and the boy walk along carrying the beer, and you can see Bob in the window, looking back. You both smile at the same time as if you were thinking the same thing and he opens the front door and for the next half hour you talk about how exciting it all is, huddled in our little homes, scared of catching a cold and flopping over, and having those men in suits out there, looking after us.

      September 30: Trump endorses a UBI for the country and is unanimously passed in Congress, mollifying online calls by the population to have their accounts reimbursed, considering so many of them were effectively forced to work, in cases like the high-rise crane operator- he was forced to live in the crane for 5 days. You feel relief. “Its like a vacation” you tell yourself.

      September 31: When the men return you request beer, and burgers and milk, and are asked to pick any one of those. You’re updated on the situation- no changes, stay in the house. Later, you and the boy slip out and meet Bob halfway. You go out back between the property line, then walk all the way to the end of the road.

      A few white vehicles are coming and going, and one slows down and turns around, gliding up to the two of you. Men in suits are in the front and you expect them to get out but they don’t. They slowly drive up and open the window. “Step closer” the man says and takes the temperature of your forehead. They are satisfied, and when you establish who you are, they nod, but remind you the official policy is to remain in your home. They drop the boxes of food in your arms and drive off.

      October 2: Everyone is notified their assets are frozen. Trade in currencies, deeds, titles, wills, the transaction of commodities, in particular gold and silver, are prohibited. You check your bank balance online. Indeed, there are deposits in $100 increments. Your balance is rising. Meanwhile, disturbing images and video of scenes from different parts of the world.

      Outlook for the rest of October and coming months:

      October: Cold and wet across much of the country. CDC announces vaccine development.

      November: CDC announces vaccine production begins.

      December: Vaccine distribution begins.

      January: The country is considered clear. Starbucks reopens. McDonald’s reopens. Mitch McConnell tables legislation to kill the UBI. Trump signs it and tweets, “It was a good deal for everybody most of all, my golf game.” Your account balance was credited $13,500. The national debt rises by $4.4 Trillion, and things get back to normal.

      February: a drone strikes a Saudi Oil field. The Fed refuses to raise rates. Experts predict imminent recessions. Greta Thunberg stages Summer climate strikes across the Southern Hemisphere, in 100 cities. The Environment becomes a major campaign issue.

  69. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 7:36 pm #

    Do any of you errant CFNers happen to know of any good course that teaches the lost art of “Scalping”? Apparently, it’s not easy to scalp a white bloke and in order to get a decent white bloke’s scalp you’ve got to make an incision all along the hairline before yanking it off. In a proper scalping, the scalp should just pop off with one good vigorous yank like popping a bottle of champagne at a New Year’s office party.

    • capt spaulding September 17, 2019 at 9:29 pm #

      If you cut a squirrel’s hide properly, you can yank his whole hide off with one quick jerk, that’s how my cousin used to do it.

  70. Walter B September 17, 2019 at 8:08 pm #

    I don’t know Jim, if it really matters who perpetrated the assault on the Saudi oil complex, because the only thing that matters in the end is who “they” blame it on, you know like 11 Sep 01. Are they really ready to open up the can of Iran whoop ass as Wesley Clark once reported? So far the list of targeted nations has played out accurately so I have no doubt that Iran shall be next.

    youtube.com/watch?v=gTbg11pCwOc

    Finishing off with Iran. Hard to believe that Americans cannot understand the truth even when it is broadcast right to them every day.

  71. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 8:34 pm #

    Wounded Knee

    “Hell Yes, We’re gonna take your guns! You God Damn Injuns!”

    Beto

    “The 1.65-inch (42 mm) gun and accessories could be packed on two mules. The gun was introduced as a modern replacement for the aging twelve-pound mountain howitzer. The first gun purchased by the U.S. military from the French arms firm of Hotchkiss was employed against the Nez Percé in 1877. Over the next twenty years the U.S. purchased 56. They were used at the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890, and again in Cuba at the Battle of Las Guasimas, the Battle of El Caney and the attack on San Juan Hill during the Spanish–American War of 1898.”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_gun

  72. FincaInTheMountains September 17, 2019 at 8:50 pm #

    Since I really had a chance to talk with the Palestinians in an environment where they didn’t have to pretend, now I can please my American friends, who are very concerned about the fate of the Palestinians in Israel, that they consider the main Satan to be Stalin and Russia, and not the United States, since it is precisely Stalin and Russia that they consider the main culprits of the formation of Israel.

    • Pucker September 17, 2019 at 9:41 pm #

      Didn’t Stalin have one leg that was slightly shorter than the other leg? Over time, that disability would probably mess up a bloke mentally? Moreover, Stalin was probably funny-looking on the dance floor?

      • Pucker September 17, 2019 at 9:48 pm #

        Isn’t it true that in Russia the litmus test of a “True Man” is whether the bloke can dance on a table jumping up and down with his arms folded in front of his chest while kicking his legs out from a crouched position and shouting loudly? This must have been a big problem for Stalin?

        • Pucker September 17, 2019 at 9:57 pm #

          I think that “Stalin” means “Man of Steel”. That’s probably why they named the cartoon character “Iron Man” since if they called him “Steel Man”, then his name would be translated as “Stalin”, which would freak everyone out?

        • Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 11:55 pm #

          Can you do it? Do you have this level of peasant vitality? No. And even if you did, ours is a culture of the arm and shoulder, not the leg and knee. Your knees are weak and stiff, are they not?

  73. Iananna September 17, 2019 at 9:13 pm #

    I’m fascinated by the damage the plant – some clearly as a result of munitions from the North but as much from the West.
    Could not possibly be domestic… could it?
    As when McVeigh blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City in 1995 and Bubba had the bombers and fighters warming up and taxing down the runways, just waiting to obliterate someone, somewhere, anywhere until Mcveigh was stopped for a busted tail light.
    Damned facts!

  74. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 10:10 pm #

    Sitting Bull was killed by a bunch of “Progressives” after Sitting Bull’s his grandson taunted Sitting Bull to be brave when the Progressives came to arrest Sitting Bull. The Progressives then shot Sitting Bull’s grandson “for starting the whole thing.”

    It’s weird the way that people think….

    “Progressive” was the moniker of Native Americans who collaborated with the US Federal Government agents on Indian Reservations in the late 19th Century. The “Progressives” were like the “Capo’s” in the Na….zi Concentration Camps….

  75. Pucker September 17, 2019 at 10:36 pm #

    What’s it like flying “First Class” during an airplane crash? Is it still better than flying “Economy”?

    • elysianfield September 18, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

      “What’s it like flying “First Class…?”

      Puck,
      No one ever told you about the parachutes and escape pods?

  76. Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 11:46 pm #

    godfatherpolitics.com/jordan-starving-bomb-sniffing-dogs-to-death-that-america-sent-for-anti-terrori…

    The Fiends. The Dog is our sacred Animal. This is both an act of cruelty to a highly developed living creature and a statement of contempt towards us, their supposed ally.

  77. Janos Skorenzy September 17, 2019 at 11:53 pm #

    wvwnews.net/content/index.php?/news_story/pack_hunters_push_robberies_up_53_percent_in_downtown_minn…|_video_proof.html

    Check out the video. Zero situational awareness. The White guy is surrounded by milling Black Youfs and he just continues to be absorbed in his Iphone – even as they being to step into his personal space. Or was he just pretending to be unaware at that point – even to himself? Probably too late to get away at that point in any case.

    In short, a great example of how not to act. Don’t be this guy.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:26 am #

      begin to step into his space

    • malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:30 am #

      This story does not exist

      • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:23 am #

        What are you talking about? Use your words.

  78. Pucker September 18, 2019 at 12:16 am #

    “An AR – 15 assault rifle and an AK – 47 have no place in our Reservation communities.”

    Beto

  79. malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:21 am #

    Thank god and the queen for such strident feelings amongst the citizenry!

    citypages.com/news/an-open-letter-to-white-minneapolis-from-white-people-of-minneapolis/511236952

    An open letter to white Minneapolis, from white people of Minneapolis

    Thursday, June 13, 2019 by City Pages Readers in News

    Minneapolis is dropping a plan to hold separate trainings for people of different races, and some don’t like how that’s been portrayed in the media. Renee Jones Schneider, Star Tribune

    Writers from EAR: Equity, Accountability, Reparations: MN Writers for Racial Justice respond to Minneapolis shuts down plan to give staff racially segregated talks on race:

    Last week, the city of Minneapolis took an unfortunate and harmful misstep by cancelling a series of “Sacred Conversations” that would have given an opportunity for city staff to learn and reflect about the United States 400 year history of white supremacy.

    According to the city, they were cancelled because of white pushback to the Division of Race Equity’s decision to offer separate workshops for white-bodied and Black-bodied staff.

    Jeff Kolb, a former Crystal City councilmember, was among those who expressed outrage on social media.

    Minneapolis is having a series of “Sacred Conversations” that are segregating employees by the colors of their bodies. pic.twitter.com/CV5Ho613Rr

    — Jeff Kolb (@jpkolb) May 31, 2019

    Local media followed suit, with both the Star Tribune and City Pages harmfully and erroneously using the term “segregation” to describe the programming.

    This inappropriate and ignorant language reinforces a dangerous falsehood: that efforts to confront white supremacy and systemic racism are divisive, not racism itself.

    Segregation has been a key feature of the structural racism that defines our American story: from the legal construction of “separate but equal” to the schools, neighborhoods and services more covertly racist policies have kept segregated—and unequal—today. The Sacred Conversations the city has put off were meant to confront the violence and trauma of that history, using separate spaces for white-bodied and Black-bodied people as a vital tool in that process.

    In other words, calling for separate spaces is not the same as segregation has been and is being used in the US; it is respecting the wishes of Black-bodied people in constructing how the sacred spaces will work for them.

    Writer and embodiment facilitator Kelsey Blackwell, a bi-racial woman, makes the issue plain: “These spaces aren’t acts of oppression, but rather responses to it. They are our opportunity to be with each other away from the abuses of racism and patterns of white dominance.”

    European colonizers built the United States on an economy of slavery and a fabricated racial hierarchy, and white-bodied people’s investment in maintaining the illusion of our whiteness (read: superiority and entitlement to wealth, access and space) is what powers it forward.

    In this moment, in Minneapolis and elsewhere, white people are spending that power to obstruct opportunities for folks of color to come together and heal without us.

    It’s understandable for white-bodied folks to feel uncomfortable being asked to convene with one another to address racism. We might feel like engaging in anti-racism entitles us to build relationships across race—relationships many white-bodied people lack. The idea could trigger our discomfort with whiteness itself—a category created as a tool of oppression. Too, we are often led to believe that the solution to racism lies in diversity and inclusion—and therefore find it incongruous to create racially separate spaces.

    None of us who have been conditioned into what sociologist Joe Feagin calls “the white racial frame,” and certainly none of us raised in white bodies, can know the formula for dismantling white supremacy.

    But we can know that the work must involve two things: being uncomfortable, and listening to folks of color.

    The call from folks of color for BIPOC-only and Black-only processing spaces is clear.

    White-bodied people should consider that caucus spaces for us, too, can be a helpful tool to unlearn our racist conditioning: it’s important for white-bodied people to come together to reflect on our role in white supremacy as one step (not the only step) in healing our society.

    If that idea creates discomfort, then we should practice stepping into it. Doing so is an essential part of our work.

    Signed,
    Mike Alberti
    Zoe Bird
    Heather Bouwman
    Patricia Cumbie
    Clair Dunlap
    Amy Fladeboe
    Molly Beth Griffi
    Geoff Herbach
    Jennifer Bowen Hicks
    Deborah Keenan
    Julie Landsman
    Kate Lucas
    Tasslyn Magnusson
    Chris Martin
    Jen Manthey
    Rachel Moritz
    Nora Murphy
    Timothy Otte
    Carrie Pomeroy
    Leykn Schmatz
    Mary Austin Speaker
    Elizabeth Tannen
    Emma Torsz
    Benjamin Voigt
    Carolyn Williams-Noren
    Claire Wahmanholm

    The writers are members of EAR: Equity, Accountability, Reparations: MN Writers for Racial Justice.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:10 am #

      Black is capitalized but White is not. The whole story is thus revealed by grammar.

      On other level, Black studies teaches how great Blacks are. Ditto Hispanic studies. White studies teaches how horrible Whites are. This is the “equality” of 21st Century America. Watch out if the Democrats win. There will be hell to pay.

    • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 8:47 am #

      Do you think EAR will be showing video of white kids being beat nearly to death and stripped on the street at their reparations conference?

      Brh

  80. Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:24 am #

    amren.com/news/2019/09/the-pentagon-is-canceling-three-border-wall-projects-because-the-costs-went-u…

    Tim in Indiana: First time in history that the Pentagon cancelled a program because of cost overruns.

    JS: Some things must be done regardless of price. Only Martial Law can do this therefore Martial Law is what must be done. Trump seemed like the Man who could have done this, but that was just an illusion. He is a Master Magician or Illusionist. As Sun Tzu said, War is Deception. Sometimes seeming is more important than being in other words. Not to say thing being isn’t important too. Your opponent may call your bluff after all.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:58 am #

      that not thing. I’m discombobulated tonite. My lower self is healing after being savaged by what the world calls “working”. As Smohalla the Indian (not Native American) Prophet said, “My followers shall not know work. For men who work cannot dream”. I have failed you my Fuhrer, but what needs be must be. I have dreamed enough for a dozen men. Now I must needs suffer while awake. The world is even more ugly than I remember it.

      • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 2:24 am #

        Its truly fascinating that an organization that literally loses trillions of dollars is cancelling projects due to being over budget. It doesn’t make sense to real patriots, but all the sense in the world to everybody in the chain making bank off of the open border. Too bad that chain involves people at the Pentagon. So yes, Martial Law is the only answer since the system is so badly corrupted and compromised. And for this we need a Literalist.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 2:45 am #

          A Man who says what he means and means what he says. The latter being more important since the former may have to be coded. If only Trump was what his daft Enemies believe (or pretend to believe!) him to be.

  81. malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:25 am #

    the shooting of the half brothers. tri age 15-16

    from writer at Hot Air,

    “Three teens who might otherwise have had promise are now dead”. With that sentence, Ed goes from simple NeverTrumper to full-fledged bleeding heart liberal.

  82. Pucker September 18, 2019 at 12:28 am #

    What a weird country….

    “Legalizing marijuana isn’t enough.” What-the-Hell does that mean?!

    Beto:

    ·
    2h
    Legalizing marijuana isn’t enough. We also need to make sure those most impacted by the War on Drugs have a chance to benefit from this growing industry. Thanks to everyone at Equity First Alliance and Cage-Free Cannabis in L.A. for sharing their stories with me today.

    • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 2:07 am #

      Cage-Free Cannabis? Really?

  83. malthuss September 18, 2019 at 12:59 am #

    Felicity sentenced. slap on her wrist.

    • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 2:03 am #

      I guess life can be easy and wrist slaps reserved for people who pretend for a living and whose name means Happy. At least it sure does seem like it doesn’t it?

  84. Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 1:37 am #

    washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/13/beto-orourke-selling-t-shirts-hell-yes-were-going-/

    to take your AR-15. Bet your ain’t.

    • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 1:54 am #

      I think it’s lame. The Left has been barking about gun confiscation since forever but it will never be. And the day it does happen is gonna be the last day for a whole lot of people. I wonder if Beta could handle a show down at high noon or would he weasel his way out of it?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 2:09 am #

        A Tongue Twister from Lost in Space: The beans on Beta burn better on a burner. I’m really good at this one. I’m good at bees.

        Seriously though, they’re dead serious about this. They’re trying to build a mob mentality with all these shootings. Just as they did with Gays and Gay marriage, Trannies, etc. When push comes to shove, they may end up sorry, but it may very well come to that. They’re used to winning. They’ve won on almost everything else after all. They’re better at politics. But are they better at war? Historically, they usually win. But “our” Commies are very decadent, more Weimar roues than Russian peasants or factory workers. Or ferocious downtrodden Jews out for revenge.

        • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 10:03 am #

          Wow that truly is a tongue twister lol. I remember watching re-runs of Lost in Space when I was little. I think maybe on Nickelodeon or something. I loved it along with those re-runs of Mysterious Cities of Gold. But yeah, the Commie Left is definitely relentlessly in pursuit of their agenda. No one can ever take away their dedication and devotion to their cause. But I think they will run into many difficulties once push does come to shove. The Conservatives are generally less rowdy and vocal. This appears to be a weakness. And surely in the political arena it clearly has been. But sometimes a very quiet and unassuming person can be very dangerous if threatened directly. So the old saying goes. Don’t play with fire if you’re not ready to get burned.

      • KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 2:43 am #

        Gun control , a forensic and data collection mastery that renders any ” crime ” impossible , and mind reading.

        The result would be Utopia ?

        I’m convinced the result would be extinction in one week.

        • SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 10:05 am #

          Agreed. And it could be a state-sponsored extinction too! Funny how all of the theoretical Utopias in this plain of existence can only begin after lots of extinction. This must be our fallen nature at work.

  85. KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 2:40 am #

    ” wvwnews.net/content/index.php?/news_story/pack_hunters_push_robberies_up_53_percent_in_downtown_minn…|_video_proof.html

    Check out the video. ”

    the link led to ;

    Error

    This story does not exist.

    so instead I looked around a bit there and found this interesting piece ;

    ” A Sermon Against Certain Heresies for Our Christian Brethren ”

    Funny Thing ; The title reminds me of GreenAlba criticizing someone for not being faithfully Christian , when she just told you — and several times too— that she considers Christianity to be false and harmful made – up stories .

    You would think , then , that she would view lack of consistency and faithfulness as a positive development ?

    Here , the guy uses the term , ” Our Christian Brethren ” , a term which definitely seems to suggest he does not identify himself as one of them.

    But , before that , he uses the term , ” Heresies ” , a decidedly strong term.

    An oddly strong term for a third – party outsider to be using in relation to a group he stands apart from .

    ” Gramsci observed that people had ties that took priority over class, which made them incredibly resilient in the face of adversity: their families, their religions, their ethnic identities. ”

    The meat and potatoes of the whole thing , indeed , of a lot of things ;

    Family and religion.

    Note , however ; I would bet — based on an interpretation of 4,000 years of history — that if family had any real authority , then the last of these ; Ethnic Identity , would take care of itself.

    If the family has no real authority , though , it is anyones guess what you will wind up with.

    And anyones guess as to what you will wind up with , is precisely what you have wound up with in the past 200 years .

    No less in the Third Reich than in Obama’s America.

    No less in the British Empire than in Yugoslavia.

    ” His theory was to expose these to withering non-stop critique until they were destroyed, thus paving the way for his Utopian ideal. ”

    The nation state could , and does , pave this road though , irrespective of Gramsci , irrespective of Marxism or Critical Theory , irrespective of any Utopian Ideal.

    ” Except for a few “true believers,” Marxism was never really about “equality” – which is impossible to achieve anyway. Rather, it was all about using the most crass of human emotions – greed and envy – to mobilize the discontents of society to unseat its EXISTING ELITE to make way for global corporatism, and thereby allow a small group of unaccountable oligarchs to literally rule the world. ”

    What was that existing elite by the way ?

    He just told you that , though indirectly.

    ” A nation is a group of people sharing a common lineage, a common history, a common language and a common culture. ”

    True .

    ( And for 4,000 years we had all of those things , but without a nation state. )

    ” The nation state – an entity that had the members of one nation in a geographic area controlled by a single government – is a relatively recent phenomenon that did not exist at the time the Bible was written. ”

    Correct.

    ” So the “nation” of the Bible is not a “country” or a “state.” It is a People.”

    He admits the heart of the matter here himself.

    ” European Americans United has a policy of supporting religious practices that are helpful to our folk, and not supporting practices that are harmful to our folk. We have members who are Christian, ATHEIST , pagan – and likely other religions as well. ”

    WTF?

    All religions recognize an authority separate from , and superior , to man. Even , comically , some Satanist schools of thought.

    Does atheism in any way fit this criteria ?

    Not at all.

    Absent the concept of a higher power , and absent the concept of the dual authorities of family and religion , then the logical fallback is the nation state.

    And this is how it has played out.

    As an atheist , not a religious , person would do , he makes a quibble on the word religion , and a quibble on the word family.

    Granted , that’s hardly unusual now. For example , people who would call themselves religious , never the less would now fly a Christian flag in an inferior position to a state flag , and would think nothing of it.

    When , as recently as 250 years ago , even the most radically ” progressive ” would have considered such a display of the ordering of prominence to be obscenely blasphemous.

    In fact , this guy finally isn’t proposing a traditional anything , or a religious anything.

    No sort of religion is going to come out of this except a hobby – type thing you practice in the bathroom , with the door locked.

    And you can likewise expect the kind of Folkish state you could expect from GreenAlba.

    you won’t get religion from this.

    you won’t get neighbors that look like you , identify with you , and care about you , from this either.

    You’ll get the nation state from this.

    And you should already fucking know what that will really mean ;

    Sperm donors and sperm receptacles whose ultimate value is producing more cannon fodder , and not much else.

    In the Christian world , consistently

    • KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 2:54 am #

      * In the Christian world , consistently * — a typo kind of thing.

      A fragment of a sentence / paragraph that was never written , but wound up not deleted.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 2:58 am #

      The link works on my computer. America was religiously diverse from the beginning. Too much so? Quite possibly. Freemasonry is at war with Christianity. No harmony can ever come out of it. It wants to overthrow our whole Religion and Culture. Trying to harmonize the Evangelicals and the mainstream Protestants and the Catholics was hard enough. They and the Jews were a bridge too far. Ditto the religion of Liberalism. And bringing in the Muslims is just pure comedy. People have to be gone in the head to think that it is a good idea. And of course, hatred distorts commonsense in just this way. Biting their noses to spite their faces.

      Jefferson was a Deist but cognizant of the needs of ordinary people. Disparaging their religion was not just ignorant, but worse, foolish. The epitome of bad Governing – and that can be fatal for an Elite in the long run. His “Jefferson Bible” or the Gospel with the miracles taken out presented Christ as a moral teacher only. Pretty weak tea, but he was prudent enough to only print a few of them, and only for his friends. Not a fool when it came to governing whatever his follies theologically or personally.

      • KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 3:41 am #

        Sucking off the Jews and inviting the Moslems to move in is a bad idea.

        But then , the idea that every Tom , Dick , and Harry would serve just as well as their own Magisterium , and that the feudal system could just as well be chucked too , weren’t particularly bright ideas either.

        In the Christian World specifically , ever since Martin Luther traded one employer and sinecure for another employer and sinecure 500 years ago the trend has been pretty clear ;

        The nation state seeks to destroy the family and religion , because they are other , and superior , authorities.

        I do NOT like Islam.

        But if the Western world is determined not to come to heel , and respect the true authorities it must respect ,

        then , yes, it would be better if the Moslems won.

        And I suspect that is the West’s real beef with those people.

        They sure as Hell don’t give a shit about Baghdad , Mecca , Kabul , or Bethlehem.

        And full – scale occupation of those alien lands cancels out any profit margin to be made from oil or Dates.

  86. KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 3:10 am #

    ” Legalizing marijuana isn’t enough. We also need to make sure those most impacted by the War on Drugs have a chance to benefit from this growing industry. ”

    I’ll never get tired of pointing this out either ;

    You just spent 50 years eradicating an agriculture and an industry that paid millions of grocery bills and rents , devoted to a plant that is not intoxicating.

    Sooo…………the big improvement is spend 50 years recreating the exact same thing , but devoted to a plant that is intoxicating.

    What I think is REALLY funny is the suggestion that this would be a MORAL improvement !

    • Pucker September 18, 2019 at 4:02 am #

      I think that what Beto means is that the US Federal Government should provide financing to convicted potheads to grow extremely potent hydroponic Weed, which I think in Amsterdam is called “Skunk”?

      • Pucker September 18, 2019 at 4:03 am #

        Beto wants to take your guns, but give you some Skunk.

        • benr September 18, 2019 at 11:48 am #

          It all comes down to Indica and Sativa.

        • Iananna September 18, 2019 at 8:09 pm #

          Better that those head cases be stoned than armed.

  87. Pucker September 18, 2019 at 4:36 am #

    There’s a photo on Beto’s Twitter account of Beto making false promises to a group of Weed entrepreneurs in Los Angeles. In the photo is a black woman with the name tag that reads “Kika Keith”. Kika is a single mother from “The Hood” who has opened a Weed distribution business called “Gorilla Life” to try to improve the lives of the black underclass in Los Angeles.

    Kika Keith
    CEO at Gorilla Life
    Greater Los Angeles Area
    Food & Beverages

    “For Kika Keith, a dream deferred looks like a bare, brightly illuminated room in South Los Angeles.

    After California legalized recreational cannabis, Los Angeles leaders had vowed that entrepreneurs such as her — with roots in communities hit hardest by the war on drugs — would get an upper hand in L.A.’s potentially lucrative marijuana market. Keith, a single mother of three, snapped up a lease on a Leimert Park storefront and lined up an investor.

    This empty room was supposed to hold her dream — a shop that would sell beverages, tinctures and salves infused with cannabis, and reinvest a share of the profits in community groups. But more than a year after sales of cannabis became legal in Los Angeles and other California cities and counties that have allowed it, Keith still cannot apply for a local license as a retailer. And L.A. officials cannot tell her exactly when that will change.

    • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 10:10 am #

      What, you think Beto’s trips into Mexico are just to secure the illegal alien vote? Now that he’s a national figure he’s flush with cash, enough cash to score some really top shelf weed, primo Oaxacan Red and Acapulco Gold. Beto has plenty of lackeys now to do his bidding, he’s not actually in the streets Laredo Nuevo himself trying to score, like a decade ago.

      You haters out there got a problem with that?

      Brh

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

      Yes, cannabis is obviously the answer to Black America’s problems. Why don’t people listen to Kika Keith? Why are they so afraid of Gorilla Life?

  88. KesaAnna September 18, 2019 at 4:58 am #

    one thing I loved about that site Janos linked to was the systematic and methodical way they went about demonstrating that the media Cherry – picks their mass shootings.

    — And by implication , if you’ ll notice , how they go about Cherry – picking their atrocities in general.

    And then I ran across this in an entirely different place , elsewhere on the internet.

    yahoo.com/news/teen-arrested-plan-shoot-400-213050968.html

    Hands – down this has got to be my favorite story of the year .

    After number six , I quit counting how many narratives this story royally screws.

  89. FincaInTheMountains September 18, 2019 at 7:13 am #

    The wet dreams of anti-Semites came true. Almost.

    This week is a solid Deja Vu, which I will write about, but I want to write about one of them now:

    There are elections again in Israel, and the results of these elections, or rather the information campaign around these elections are very similar to the information campaign around the US elections in 2000.

    I hope that Pavel Borodin or any other president of the Confederation of Russia and Belarus, having received an invitation to the inauguration of the President of Israel, will go there with a diplomatic passport.

    But the similarity is not determined by this:

    According to Guardian reports, which has been paying special attention to Israeli politics for a long time, according to exit polls (and the results of counting 30 percent of the ballots confirm this), the election results are so close that the difference will be difficult to calculate, since it is within the statistical error of machine counting, like this happened in Florida in 2000, when votes were counted for almost half a year and the Supreme Court determined the winner as a result.

    And since then, the memoirs of Ted Cruise, who was then the head of the Bush’s election campaign legal service, have been released, telling how they sat in the Florida Capitol and waited for the assault by security forces led by Hillary’s flying monkeys.

    And one of Bush’s advisers said that Yeltsin’s statement in China reminding Bill Clinton about the Russian nuclear triad had a significant impact on the determination of Bush’s supporters to go all the way, since it was clear to them that Hillary’s protégé in the White House was a nuclear war with Russia. And this is just the case when the pathological Russophobia of Cruz played a positive role.

    And apparently, Netanyahu perfectly understands who he is dealing with, and on September 15 he turned to the Justice of the Supreme Court, who is the chairman of the Central Election Commission, with a request for an emergency meeting due to the fact that only 2 out of 82 voters who reported in April, May and June, on fake votes in the Arab sector, were questioned by the police.

    jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Netanyahu-The-election-has-been-stolen-601764

    It will be funny if the Arabs would bring to power in Israel a Black World Project that will really start supporting blacks in Syria. Russia will start to retaliate against Israeli planes in Syria in revenge, but what’s next, you can easily guess for yourself.

    And then think about what Madonna prayed in Israel at the Eurovision Song Contest between the April and September elections.

    youtube.com/watch?v=VG3WkiL0d_U

    • FincaInTheMountains September 18, 2019 at 8:35 am #

      Madonna honestly told us all what would be waiting for us if we continued to behave this way, just as Hitler honestly told the Jews and Russians in “Mein Kampf” what was waiting for them.

      And it is unfortunate that neither of them began to read this book.

      • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 9:08 am #

        Now I have to down 2 quick shots of Wild Turkey, dammit! (for breakfast)

        Who’s with me???

        Brh

      • Janos Skorenzy September 19, 2019 at 10:40 pm #

        Many Orthodox Rabbis say Hitler was an instrument of Divine Chastisement against the Jews.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 18, 2019 at 10:59 am #

      Blacks won in Israel with an advantage of 0.66%

      While everyone was watching how Israel moved to Ukraine, Ukraine moved to Israel.

      Pizdets!!

  90. BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 9:29 am #

    Interesting story in the Brooklyn Eagle.

    National Grid is the company that runs the pipelines bringing Natgas from Texas into NYC (and all points east) They’ve been trying to get a new pipeline into Brooklyn, citing the fact that demand in Brooklyn had outstripped what National Grid could supply with existing infrastructure. Apparently, securing permits for construction is a long and painful process in a state like NY, and in a city like NYC. Eventually they were turned down due to pressure from environmental groups. Orgs like the EDC said to expand natgas would hinder development of alt energy projects. (What alt/energy can you power up a densely populated place like Brooklyn on?) So now the inevitable has happened, nat/has shortages in Brooklyn, and National Grid refusing to do anymore new hook ups in the Borough. Now ‘environmental activists’, rather than examine their own role in this disaster, are claiming ‘racism’ , and ‘corporate’ are the reasons there is a fuel shortage in Brooklyn. Meanwhile, apartments can’t be rented and Halal restaurants have to shut down. Reality has set in.

    Brh

  91. SoftStarLight September 18, 2019 at 10:31 am #

    Did you see Corey Lewandowski in that Senate Committee Hearing? They grilled that man for five hours and he was energetic, sharp, to the point, shrewd, and in charge. He made me feel so safe and secure just by watching him on television take control of the total idiots who populate the Senate. It wouldn’t take very much at all to change things totally and completely and we are so close yet it feels so far away. But either way, it proves how hopeless our government is in actually getting anything meaningful done anymore. I bet you Corey would show up for the high noon duel with Beta. And I bet he would win.

    • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 11:02 am #

      Yeah, he pretty much told Nadler to go F@k himself, and take his impeachment investigation and shuv it up his ###sss!!!

      Brh

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

      Yup, liked him from the beginning and never waivered in that. He’s got It. A Comer – perhaps the Coming King, our own Fortinbras. No wonder the Establishment hates him to a man. And Jared and Ivanka got rid of him to have poor Trump all to themselves. Apparently Trump really likes Tucker Carlson – and that may be the only thing that has saved us so far from complete disaster.

      • SoftStarLight September 19, 2019 at 2:02 am #

        Tucker Carlson is like a real life Life Saver. He is one of the few still telling any truth on TV.

  92. pkrugman September 18, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

    “She lied…. as though this fraud does not speak to her character and disqualify her for office.”

    She did not lie. She did not receive any benefit. Therefore, no fraud.

    Are you sure about lying disqualifying someone for office? Anyone come to mind?

    Trump said he had no knowledge of his attorney paying Stormy Daniels to secure her silence in their alleged affair. At the trial it was established that Individual 1 signed the check and directed Cohen to make the payment. Trump lied and is an unindicted co-conspirator.

    The moment President Trump becomes Citizen Trump no memo, no pardon, no money can protect him from indictment.

    thehill.com/homenews/administration/421175-dem-rep-calls-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-in-cohen-ca…

    • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

      I’m assuming it’ll be Warren in 2020, and she’ll have a lot more to worry about than indicting a former president. Right away she’ll be tested by Putin and Xi, and if she’s found lacking there will be trouble, maybe existential trouble … all the other bullsh#t promises, opening up the borders, free medical care for everybody including illegals (who will be arriving in waves, in the tens of millions, all wanting free insurance), abolishing ICE, crushing insurance companies and Wall Street, banning firearms, making college free and forgiving student loans, cutting off access to coal, oil, and natgas, building a socialist utopia here on earth … will be rendered moot when the Chinese Navy sinks the first American destroyer in the South China Sea, or the Russian Army moves west into the Baltic. Who knows, maybe she’ll redeem herself well, but she will be tested the same way the Soviets, after perceiving weakness in Jack Kennedy during the Vienna summit, tested the president in the Cuban missile crisis,

      President Warren will have her hands full, Little Jane.

      Brh

      • FincaInTheMountains September 18, 2019 at 3:25 pm #

        after perceiving weakness in Jack Kennedy during the Vienna summit, tested the president in the Cuban missile crisis

        I thought it was Americans who first decided to test Khrushchev by placing Jupiter missiles in Turkey.

        Meanwhile, the missiles based in Turkey were capable of threatening Moscow and other major Russian cities. During the Cuban Missile Crisis in late 1962, the Kennedy Administration quietly negotiated the removal of Soviet SS-4 and SS-5 missiles from Cuba by removing the Jupiter missiles based in Italy and Turkey.

        By agreeing to remove Jupiter missiles from Turkey in exchange for removal of Russian missiles from Cuba, Kennedy signed his own death warrant.

        • BackRowHeckler September 18, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

          I don’t know about Kennedy ‘signing his own death warrant’

          Fact is, at the Vienna Summit, Krushchev, a veteran of the Battle of Stalingrad and a tough old Bolshevik who had survived Stalin’s purges in the 30s, sized up Kennedy, and found the American President wanting. Kruschchev respected Ike, but here was something new.

          Brh

    • Nightowl September 19, 2019 at 11:07 am #

      You realize Stormy Daniels had to pay Trump a settlement in the end, no?

      I think proggers truly live in a parallel world. It was fake news, son.

  93. pkrugman September 18, 2019 at 4:29 pm #

    “Right away she’ll be tested by Putin and Xi…” –brh

    brh, Iran shot down an American UAV. Trump did not respond with force. Then Iran went after the world’s oil supply (American being a customer). Trump did not respond with force. North Korea shoots off missiles. Trump threatens fire and fury. North Korea continues shooting off missiles. Trump does nothing.

    The world now knows that Trump is a pacifist. I would say Warren will have an advantage. Nobody knows if she will or will not respond militarily. The element of unknown will work to her advantage. Being a woman she will have the Maggie Thatcher disease and will need to show she is more macho than Trump. Not hard to do, I’d say. He is a pussy cat who likes to grab pussy.

  94. Q. Shtik September 18, 2019 at 4:30 pm #

    Have I missed something? Prez candidate O’Rourke goes by the first name Beto (pronounced Beh’ toe). Somebody on this board started referring to him as Beta (second letter in the Greek alphabet, pronounced Bay’ tuh). This has caught on and now I have seen several commenters using Beta. Is there some inside joke I have missed out on?

    • pkrugman September 18, 2019 at 6:12 pm #

      His name is Robert Francis O’Rourke. Maybe you missed out on that?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 18, 2019 at 6:54 pm #

      Alpha vs Beta. Get it now? We want our Presidents to be Alpha, Q. Not like Jimmy Carter or Beta.

      • SoftStarLight September 19, 2019 at 2:04 am #

        Easy peasy, simple, breezy!