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Around the same time that most Americans set their clocks ahead this weekend, something more momentous shoved the world into an epic phase-change, and the modern era, with all its mighty baggage, was finally swept away, along with that single lost hour of darkness. We’re in a new world, and one night later, out on the freeway of history, the engine of the global economy threw a rod. The chauffeur is still standing alongside the stricken vehicle in the breakdown lane, scratching his head while sour-smelling smoke wafts up from the hood.
You’d think that truly earthshaking events like that might change the so-called narrative, but The New York Times was at it again this morning with this front-page op-ed purporting to explain all the sorrows of our times:
That’s how out-of-it the narrators are, even while a thuggish reality whapped them repeatedly upside the head with a two-by-four for weeks leading up to this. No, Dean Baquet (NYT ed-in-chief), transphobia does not explain the quandaries of our time, any more than sorcery or the wickedness of black cats explained the plagues of the 1300s that put a chapter of the human story to rest and started a new one. That elaborate machine of globalism just never figured on a situation when so many people in all corners of the world would have to hunker down in place to wait out one of Gaia’s super-weapons — though it is still not known if corona virus was actually created by Gaia’s wards, Homo sapiens, themselves, who are suddenly feeling the blowback.
Lots of things are blowing back on us now, especially from the patches, tweaks, and work-arounds we applied to the shuddering system while the “check engine” light was flashing the past twelve years. After the awesome skid of 2008, you’d think the world’s money managers might have learned something about the hazards of stepping on the gas when those lights were flashing. Sadly, the tens of thousands of PhD economists in the back seat couldn’t think of anything else to do. And history will regard them as no better than the hooded priests of the 1300s who swung their smoking censers in the dark streets while the stricken town folk bundled their dead.
The new disposition of things is upon us, and the sooner we get with the program, the better. Welcome to The Long Emergency and its aftermath, a world made by hand. Expect that a lot of things crashing, grinding to a halt, and falling to pieces will not get patched back together and restarted. When the dust settles from all that, we’ll discover one of the primary conditions of the new era: we’re poorer — a lot of what we took to be money, or things that represented money, were figments. “Money” itself, as manifested in currencies, may become a slippery concept, with low credibility. If that’s the case, people ought to ask themselves: how can I be useful or helpful to the others around me in a way that will raise my own social capital and accumulate, at least, the good will of these other people, and perhaps some of their help or service in return for mine? That is the beginning of building a local community — people bound together by mutual obligations, responsibilities, duties, and rewards.
We’re lucky for one thing: this crisis of advanced civilization is striking at the very start of the planting season. If you’re prudent, you can begin at once to organize serious gardening efforts, if you live in a part of the country where that is possible. I’d go heavy on the potatoes, cabbages, winter squashes, and beans, because they’re all keepers over winter. Baby chicks sell at the local ag stores for a few bucks each now and you’ll be very grateful for the eggs. Get a rooster — even though they can be a pain-in-the-ass — and you won’t have to buy any more chicks.
If you live in a part of the country where the terrain is rugged and well-watered — as I do — start scoping out local hydro sites that might potentially generate electricity or drive machinery directly from water power. We will probably need more of that. Around here many of those sites are signified by the ruins of decommissioned factories and hydro-stations from not much more than a century ago. They were originally built with a lot less machine power than we would use today, and a lot more power of men working in groups. We’ve forgotten how effective men can be working together with pretty simple tools. We were too busy devaluing men in recent decades for the sake of a moral crusade to erase “gender” differences. Well, that will be bygone so fast your head will spin.
The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident. If you have friends or relatives in places where food can be grown, or in the small towns favorably located near productive land and running water, maybe this is a good time to start negotiating some new arrangements and making a move, if you can. Nobody knows yet just how deeply the effects of corona virus will cut through daily life in the weeks ahead. The potential for disorder isn’t tiny, looking at the current situation, at least in terms of broken business relationships and the flow of vital goods. We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. Be prepared for plenty of action when the hunkering ends and the hungering begins.
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Transgenders are the new saints of the alt-left.
No one dare criticize them, everyone wants their child to be one, no expense must be spared in glorifying them.
Yes, but they account for only about .06% of the population; statistically they don’t even exist. Yet they loom large in the minds of newspaper columnists and college diversity officers. Maybe Trans issues are just a red herring to distract us from what is really happening. What else could it be? You don’t get to be a columnist in the national newspaper of record by being totally clueless. Or maybe there’s an agenda at work that must be pressed regardless of anything else.
Brh
I’m waiting for the first politician to make this offer: you take the .1% plus their supporters, I’ll take everyone tired of the .1% and their supporters. Let the people decide.
I think it was Mr. Kunstler who theorized that we are seeing so many eager to join the ranks of the “trans” community, because of a desire to achieve ‘special’ status.
Well, duh. It’s similar to the concept of reverse snobbery. So woke and inclusive that excluding those who don’t think just like you becomes cool again.
Everyone wants their child to be a transgender? Where do lunatics like yourself congregate-maybe at Kunstlers farm. Maybe his farm is like Daryl’s house. But instead of talented musicians getting together for a jam session, Therre’s human backwash getting together to compare notes. Demented Kunstler finally let go of his progressive left bashing to write something meaningful, but he’s already attracted too many fruit flies to his blog. That’s fair I suppose. At least it’s a bit poetic.
He’s being ironic, Daryl. You need to listen to Neegan. He is your brain.
Am I supposed to read your couple of lines upside, or maybe backwards? I’m trying to make sense of your rambling. But really trying to make sense of why you’d respond for someone else?
=“check engine” light was flashing the past twelve years.=
What,me worry ? (MAD magazine)
Ross Perot was the last guy who in 1992 was meekly admonishing “Folks,lets balance the budget !”
Then Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman announced “Deficits don’t matter”.
And it was OK to keep driving even with the “STOP ENGINE” sign.
Car breaks down,call AAA,towing truck wil haul you to the repair shop.No money to pay the repair bill-no problem.Out of 10 maxed-out credit cards one should still be working.
Stock market is flashing again “STOP ENGINE” sign.Lets call AAA,I mean Fed.
I still have a Perot sign in the barn. Should I stake it in the front lawn?
yes..or sell on ebay.
Mr.Kunstler came up with a much better saying:
Nothing matters
Everything goes
And nobody cares
If you print it and laminate it I will sign it and certify it at the notary public.
You will win a front lawn contest then 😉
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Actually, it was “Anything Goes and Nothing Matters — JHK Admin.”
My apologies,gentlemen;
I am sure even my mis-quote captures the spirit of things.
I consider it an update to Ted Nelson saying:
Most people are fools,
Most authority is malignant,
God does not exist,
And everything is wrong.
Ted was one of the first IT guys long,long time ago.And he is still active.His recent book “Geeks bearing Gifts” is a masterpiece.
Everything IS wrong, but without the collective delusions that bind us into social groups we are not a very formidable species.
Bound together by those delusions we (collectively) are Leviathan, the apex predator, at least of this planet.
Robert Ruark wrote a Playboy article in 1965 “Nothing Works and Nobody Cares” but he was being ironic. I think.
Well, JHK, that was sure a cold shower!
Ominous portents all around these days! And lo and behold, the Ides of March are on us too.
The whole trans thing reminds me of the quote, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts.” Your DNA determines your sex at conception, and I’m not going to hop on the crazy train with people that deny their own DNA.
Seeds are in flats, some already sprouted, Fruit trees starting to bud, Chickens would be cool but I think the dogs would not agree. three B’s squared away.
I didn’t bother with the Maple taps this year. I have a gallon from last year and the ol’ lady does not really like maple.
If I were nearer, StE. I’d happily take some off your hands. It’s delicious on porridge.
Well, I wouldn’t take it, obviously, not unless I had something to offer in return…
A nice local blue cheese, or a haggis or two. 🙂
Alba,
What if we gave you the Maple syrup IF you kept the haggis?
No complaints, EF. Very generous of you. 🙂
Great post, JHK. I do question one thing you said.
“We’re lucky for one thing: this crisis of advanced civilization is striking at the very start of the planting season.”
I would opine: If farmers can’t plant because the credit markets and supply chains are frozen, we are most unlucky.
Muller
I think Jim is referring the ‘farm’ you’ll be needing to cultivate in your own backyard. I could be wrong.
You’re correct BRH — JHK Admin
Understood. But Aunt Matilda’s vegetable garden including the chickens won’t take the place of the calories produced by the modern agriculture business in America.
Millions of suburbanites turning their lawns into “victory gardens” may mitigate starvation. And it’s a good thing – all these born again subsistence farmers. But don’t expect it to completely make up for all the fields left fallow if the system breaks down. If the “real farmers” can’t plant this spring, we are truly f***ed!
starving people will steal the food. even non starving will steal food.
youtube> Michigan Gardener…someone harvested his stuff w o his knowledge or consent.
chaos isnt pretty like a suburban flower garden.
Good points.
How much of the corn is used for real food, in any case, and not just planted to strip-mine topsoil for government subsidies for ethanol?
I suspect the famine isn’t this year. Or next year. But I won’t go much beyond then.
“If the ‘real farmers’ can’t plant this spring, we are truly f***ed!” — hmuller
“I suspect the famine isn’t this year.” — Dr Tom
If you’re a ‘real farmer’ and you don’t already have your seed purchased and on-site, then you’re an idiot (seed was produced no later than last year. So the bulk of the processed food supply (our staples: corn, wheat, soy) should not be much affected this year. Heck, prices may drop due to the cheapening of petrol (Saudi/Russian price war) for a time.
“I’d go heavy on the potatoes, cabbages, winter squashes, and beans, because they’re all keepers over winter.” — JHK
Nailed that, he did. Good storage winter calories. Be sure to save seed stock for the next year since we don’t know if mail order will still be an option (of course, this is super tricky where promiscuous squashes and biennial cabbages are concerned). Also, make that cabbage into kraut since lacto-fermented veggies are way more nutritious than raw and can be stored for years.
Beets, carrots, turnips, & rutabagas as well. Most keep decently, provided a later harvest. Just went through my last beet from 2019 (a mite squishy, but just from dehydration), and still have a bunch of taters & butternut squash. Up here in northern NE we pant a little later, but ima definitely gonna dig up a bit more lawn for some extra growing space this season (in the face of my wife’s wrath)
this is super tricky where promiscuous squashes and biennial cabbages are concerned). – Farmer McGregor
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I’m trying to get a mental image of what would constitute promiscuity in a squash. Should I do a search at Porn Hub?
What about lines of credit, Farmer McGregor? If the banks are closed can all you real farmers go merrily along your way as if it matters not?
Keep in mind that carrots don’t produce seed the first season, You have to winter them over and let them regrow the following season. Just a few can produce thousands of seeds. I always leave a partial row and just cover them with leaves or straw over the winter. They come right back up once the frost is out of the ground. I’m from canada, so our winters are much harsher than the US, and it works fine up here.
“I’m trying to get a mental image of what would constitute promiscuity in a squash. Should I do a search at Porn Hub?” — Q.Shtik
Made me LOL. Every plant in the cucerbita family (cucumbers, squash, guards, melons, etc.) are notoriously ‘promiscuous’ in that they will readily cross pollinate, from even more than a mile apart if the pollinators carry pollen between them. The resulting offspring are usually unusable mutants. The only way to breed for pure cultivar seed is to grow in isolation (like in a greenhouse) or to manually pollinate and then prevent access to the fertilized flower until fruit set (bagging the flower, for instance).
BTW, I didn’t come up with the phrase “promiscuous plants“.
@hmullar: No argument about lines of credit, though my point is that farmers who have not already secured what they need for this growing season may be in trouble whether things go south or not. I was supporting DrTomSchmidt’s observation “I suspect the famine isn’t this year” in that this growing season is, for all practical purposes, already under way.
Of course, it’s hard to say what conditions will be like come time for harvest — lots of diesel fuel required at that time.
@Q.Shtik, promiscuity in squashes means many if not most of their kids are trannies. “His mother was a Puccini. We have no idea who the father was.” They usually exhibit poor taste. With lots of care I can usually get about 3 generations of reasonably good squash before I order off for new seed from the professionals. (A Puccini is a lovely yellow and orange striped palm sized Japanese squash.)
The modern American agriculture business grows corn for ethanol. Most of what we eat is Hecho en Mexico.
In terms of luck, JHK seems to have forsaken the southern hemisphere!
I must concede that, as an Australian, I thought that too. In some respects we will do a lot better than the more heavily populated north – plus we’re closer to the Equator (12°-38° South), with warmer weather and long, flexible growing seasons.
But two things: we are a LONG way from a lot of vital supply chains (including oil – but we have huge amounts of nat gas), and the nation is chronically (sometimes acutely) short of well-watered land. We are basically a desert with a few quality fringe areas.
Good essay on what’s currently going on. I would amend the statement, “How can I be useful and helpful to the others around me in a way to raise my social capital , , , ,” to include spiritual and psychological capital. How many will boast, including on here, about their preparations for economic collapse and how they will be taken care of no matter what? Fear and greed abound, but the good people who will think about others are the true heroes of our time.
Nice. Very well-said shotho, last sentence especially.
I went thru the offerings in the “by Hand” series having read #1 and the despotic Christian sects are featured prominently in the plot descriptions. Let it be known none of those people IRL could be employed by the NYTs in any function including custodian of the bathrooms.
And yet the NYT’s is dead center in the new Theological Cult of Diversity, replete with vocabulary ending with the suffixes of “isms, ists and phobias.”
There is no saving the American Empire, it’s leading theologians are in the grip of hysteria, logic and reason will be found to be “sexist, racist and a phobia of some sorts.”
NYT wants to be “cutting-edge”, avant-garde, cool, hip and woke to an extreme a meth addict would envy. The fact that respected scholars said their 1619 series was historically inaccurate went in one ear and out the other. Those people were simply not as brilliant or penetrating as their crack reporters. So it is with trans-hysteria reporting. When the Democrats had that town hall last fall and the trans community pretended that they were being targeted and murdered, what they failed to mention was the deaths were at the hands of domestic partners.
Trannies are some angry people.
True story: Portland, Oregon, rainy winter night circa 2017:
An incident in traffic (near miss, no contact) leads to a guy following and parking near me at a restaurant and then approaching me on foot. I warn him I will defend myself if he touches me. He replies “I’ll bet you would hit a woman!” We’re close enough that I can see he’s wearing mascara and lipstick. I reply “I don’t think you’re a woman.” He replies “You’re lucky I’m not armed!” I walk away and report his license plate and comment to the Portland police.
An hour later a police officer calls me back and says the vehicle owner recently changed his gender from male to female and name from Robert Michael (no last name given) to Roberta Michelle. The officer then proceeds to explain that Roberta is most likely undergoing hormone treatments which are probably the cause of her aggressive behavior and as a community we need to understand that Roberta’s transition requires understanding and empathy on our part.
I have moved my home and business out of Portland.
You actually are lucky Roberta wasn’t armed b/c “they” would have gotten away with shooting you for using the wrong pronoun.
Like a stone dropped in the middle of a pond, the ripple effects start spreading immediately and these are multiple stones thanks to globalization. Duct tape and bailing wire will be applied to hold it together until the election and money managers will be insisting that even though the market dropped 40% in 2008 it “came roaring back”! But it can’t be salvaged on the level we’ve grown used to.
The media has already lost interest in the border (media-sponsored & driven) crisis, impeachment, Russia, and now faced with a real game-changer that’s reality based it will be interesting to see how they react. Still lots of Inspiring America stories of people rescuing puppies traumatized by floods, tornadoes, hurricanes but nothing about people wise enough to learn a few practical skills and teach others.
The irony is the GGG calling the market fake under Obama and glorying in all-time highs just a few weeks ago. Live by the tick, die by the tick, and this market is dying.
The GGG’s voters weren’t the asset owners and asset strippers. It was the people getting cheated by globalization, the people who couldn’t earn a decent return on dollars in the bank, who were driven into the market to get a return. Those people get even fewer dollars when the Fed cuts rates.
The narrative now is that Biden will win the nomination. Meanwhile, all the disaffected voters who went for Trump have no outlet, except Revolution, or Bernie. Now that the majority-black states have voted for Super Tuesday, expect the more white and Hispanic states to vote like California and Utah.
If Bernie faces the GGG, things get VERY interesting.
I think that the virus is going to test a basic tenet of this country. Can an emergency of this scale be handled by capitalistic means, with individual responsibility paramount. Is socialism and authoritarianism a requirement to handle globalist emergencies? Will China, specifically, show that their government handles emergencies better than US policies. Are civil liberties in jeopardy as this unfolds in the next few months? Will the polity of this country have the backbone to face up to this epidemic and face reality? I am not sure today.
I am an advocate of liberty. Millions of people died in WW2 trying to defend liberty from a small group of dictators. I think the dying WW2 generation is shocked by the cowardly reaction of this country to the virus.
Trump is trying to downplay the effects of the plague. It is a political gambit trying to mute the effects of the increasing epidemic. I think he has made a mistake here. Trying to avoid the subject is not the way to handle potential disasters like this. JHK is predicting disaster, AKA The World Made by Hand. He may be right. Is this going to be Trumpian in nature, or Kunstlerian?
We will know the answer in a couple of months. If this outbreak abates, things will come together and the economy will surge back albeit with a lot of damage. If not, all bets are off, not because of cowardly politicians, but because missing elements of our just in time global economy is going to grind things to a halt. The irony of the whole thing is that the only solution to this may be nationalization and localization of economic forces.
Oil is down to $33 a barrel, a product of infighting between SA and Russia for price control. With all the bragging about fracking we have heard in the US, how come we are not part of the discussion? Maybe because we are topped out with supply capability?
One good thing per JHK. Maybe the silliness of identity politics, Trans in this example, will be relegated to their place on the priority list.
LAST!
With any luck — and we’re going to need a lot of it — this virus will have a low mortality rate and will not share genetic material with a more deadly virus like Nipah. That has a mortality rate of 50 to 75% and is in the same approximate area. SxSW was cancelled not because anyone in Austin has tested positive but b/c of all the international travelers expected, particularly from SE Asia. The economic effects will be felt for months to come and plenty of small businesses will be closing too. There was an interview with a sign maker here and he usually employs 15 people and had to lay off all of them. Bars and restaurants that ordered massive amounts of food and alcohol can’t pay for it. now. A microcosm of the ripple effects.
Fear porn. The liars that sold you so many lies over the past 3 years that you lost track are now telling you the plague is coming. And you eat it up.
FFS.
I don’t know how bad the coronavirus will or will not be. All we have to evaluate possible epidemics are history of other ones and mathematical projections. The Zika virus has lived in the gut of the mosquito for eons and was harmless then something happened to change its genetic structure and it now causes terrible birth defects and miscarriage. That’s not fear porn — it’s reality and a tragic one if it happens to you.
If you are under 70 and do not suffer from TDS, it is quite likely that you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
John,
No, yes, yes, yes, no.
“We were too busy devaluing men in recent decades for the sake of a moral crusade to erase “gender” differences.”
The feminists lost me when it became self evident that the goal was not equality but really to make men and women the same or sameness. They’ve lost a lot of women too. Smart tough women like my wife who views the modern feminist movement as backward, weak minded and not attractive to capable women who want to be women and not poor copies of men. Plus she is fond of men who are not confused about what being a man means. These folks will not fair well in a world that not longer has the luxury of coddling their stupidity.
“The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident. If you have friends or relatives in places where food can be grown, or in the small towns favorably located near productive land and running water, maybe this is a good time to start negotiating some new arrangements and making a move, if you can.”
Lucky me living in the northwest suburbs of Chicago now. Good news is that we kept the remote farm in Ohio. Just hope it is remote enough. Well stocked, good land and bountiful water. Plus a strong resilient farming community. Heavily armed and clear minded on when to pull the trigger.
Fugeguy your wife sounds like my wife , I’ve been married close to 4 decades, She thinks these feminists are so full of shit. I do the heavy lifting and she covers the creature comforts, and does a damn good job of it. I dirty,she cleans, I grow, she cooks. I give her shit and she gives it back in spades. Actually she thinks she is the boss. I prefer it that way.We are pretty much equal. She has her domain and I have mine.
Sounds like we both got a gem 😉
We are closing in on 3 decades. Hard to believe.
51 years for us. You two have found the secret, as we have. It is a partnership, many folks never figure that out.
Feminism wants females to be in a power superior position.
In marriages, that will never work. Equality is the key.
I notice the majority of avid feminists are single and prefer it that way.
Equality in power I mean.
Yup, 38 years and happy. We just ignore the crazies in all their many forms.
Sounds like you’re complementary, not equal. Equal is something that became important in the axial age, by mathematically driven people.
We are going to stop obeying those people, and soon.
Thanks, Doc. Yes, complimentary. Definitely not equal. She’s got her skills and I have mine . 50+50 =100
Equal doesn’t mean the same.
You guys seem like you got it worked out pretty good. Number one thing you gotta do IMHO is bring home the bacon. Beyond that it doesn’t hurt if you run the vacuum and do a sinkful of dishes every once in awhile. Having done that, don’t expect them to reciprocate by helping you with snow removal, tree pruning, fence building or any outdoor chores. It definitely works only one way.
Brh
Around our abode, and we have been married 33+ years (co-habitating for 44+ years) I call it ‘Division of Labor’. I do the construction related, firewood related, food growing related, and she does the cooking related (and she is a very good cook). It works out evenly. If she did my work and I did hers, we would live in a shack and would have already starved…..
In the modern world, men build and women decorate. But which is more primary?
In contrast, in the old world, women had their own domains which men depended on and vice versa.
We renounced the real equality, to the extent it was there. Men typically ruled even then – but exceptions abounded at least at the more local levels.
Fuge, there are feminists and even lesbians vehemently against this whole ‘trans’ and “men can become women” nonsense.
You won’t hear about them in the mainstream media, however, and they are even being censored out of what used to be open forums, such as public libraries.
Good point, Beryl. If the entire USA women’s soccer team were replaced by men in dresses (who say they feel like women), would that be a good thing? As you implied, feminists and lesbians would be the first to express disapproval in very frank language. Boundaries need to be drawn.
At the high school level, this war is being fought now. Trans boys becoming girls to have a definite physical advantage in girls sports is the epitome of the societal absurdity that Trans presents.
Another offshoot of the identity politics.
It is happening in combat sports- mma, boxing, etc.
Quickly swept under the rug though since it quickly shows the lack of male female sameness.
“in the middle of the eighth [fourteenth] century, civilization in the East and West was visited by a destructive plague which devastated nations and caused populations to vanish. It swallowed up many of the good things of civilization and wiped them out. It overtook the dynasties at the time of their senility, when they had reached the limit of their duration. It lessened their power and curtailed their influence. It weakened their authority. Their situation approached the point of annihilation and dissolution. Civilization decreased with the decrease of mankind. Cities and buildings were laid waste, roads and way signs were obliterated, settlements and mansions became empty, dynasties and tribes grew weak. The entire inhabited world changed. The East, it seems, was similarly visited though in accordance with and in proportion to (the East’s more affluent) civilization. It was as if the voice of existence in the world had called out for oblivion and restriction, and the world had responded to its call.” Muslim historian Ibn Khaldun on the effects of the Black Plague. Will it be “different this time”?
The only difference between Co19 and the killer in the movie Contagion, or the Black Death, is the mortality rate of the virus. A mutation in April could change all this.
Note in the movie that one person taking the risk of injecting herself with the potential vaccine blew away all the bureaucratic baloney and allowed the fast advent of an effective vaccine that literally saved the world. After 2.5 million folks died.
“Will it be ‘different this time'”?
Well, we have the science of epidemiology, there’s that.
Methinks Jim Kunstler is a bit premature in his ejaculations. Sure, there’s going to be some adjustments but we’re not going from what we have now to this ‘world made by hand’ in less than a generation. Even if we have to jettison JIT manufacturing & tighten supply chains (a good thing, in any event), it ain’t gonna happen.
There’s only been, what 4,000 deaths so far. People are in panic mode over that? The Chinese are already seeing a decline in deaths.
The Chinese haven’t even begun to see the beginning of Wave 2.
That is always the worst one.
Hello James,
Yep, we may actually have trespassed the transept of the ‘temple of woke’ to find that the ‘demonic-marxist-feminist gulag’ is the sacrifice.
I had the great pleasure to live in Bosnia & Herzegovina in the years immediately after their ‘civil-war’ [1992-1996] and was gratified to observe a thousand ingenious work-arounds in daily life to the collapse of their own ‘demonic-marxist-feminist gulag’.
YES, a multitude of ‘edja-medicated’ US-I-cants will fall into a drooling stupor in the nearest corner.
BUT, most Amer-I-cans will simply carry-on til they are carrion!
Stay in there and pitch,
PFO
I think JHK would class this among his hated political puns, a la ‘Repugnicans’.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-darkest-pool/#comment-152858
Not that I’m speaking for JHK. But then, I find that kind of thing annoying too.
Good advice Jim. We are in uncharted waters now, surprise is going to be the new norm. BTW,am about 2/3rds through your latest book, really like the interviews you did. It reminds me of,well,me:)
Nearly 900 people waiting to enter Costco, where last week the opening crowd would be >100. Panic buying.
What about when its panic but nothing to buy?
-largest weekly stock market drop since 1929
-first time treasury yields are under 1%
-biggest single day oil price drop since gulf war
-fastest spreading virus since SARs, china hardest hit
-gold hitting 1700 usd after previous high of 1900 usd
-cryptocurrencies in freefall
I’m not seeing that where I live. I don’t know why not.
“Nearly 900 people waiting to enter Costco, where last week the opening crowd would be >100.”
I guess you meant the opposite of > but never mind. 🙂
I shopped here this morning while walking the dog:
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Two minutes away from my house. Looked exactly as it does in the picture. Nobody waiting outside (although you’re welcome to picture my greyhound tied on the railing); nobody waiting in the inside either.
Heaps of toilet rolls inside. Chemist across the road still has sanitiser and surgical wash on the counter. Still haven’t bought any. There’s soap and hot water in the house and I haven’t figured out in my mind how the sanitiser carriers out and about plan to get the sanitiser onto their hands and back in their bag without touching the unsanitised outside of their sanitiser bottle that they touched before they sanitised their hands. Maybe if I could figure that out I might buy some. I’m obviously missing something. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Although I watched my 7-year-old grandson use some from a little bottle when I met my daughter in a patisserie the other day and he used it on his hands, then touched the unsanitised outside of the bottle and I just thought ‘and the point of that was?’ but said nothing.
Anyway, I’ll pay for my (to me) civilised lifestyle – not that I don’t go to small supermarkets too or get a delivery every couple of months when it’s heavy pet-food time – if/when it comes to pass that there’s no food you didn’t grow yourself.
You win some, you lose some… And to the country gloaters and large-gardened sunny suburbanites, living in a city, even a small one like Edinburgh, isn’t a sign of moral degeneracy, it’s just the way things turn out for a whole lot of people who need to pay their bills and can’t all own land.
You seem to spend a lot of time at Costco, malthuss – are you feeding a regiment?
You seem to spend a lot of time at Costco, malthuss – are you feeding a regiment? – Greenie
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I think he’s there just doing research for us CFNers.
A noble calling indeed, Q.
And I just noticed, in case anyone wants to see what a non-intimidating mosque looks like, you can see it in the picture – the bright green strip on the right edge that looks like a normal shop front.
OMG
DJIA can go down???
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/08/dow-futures-drop-700-points-as-all-out-oil-price-war-adds-to-coronavirus-stress.html
NYT = MSM = CIA PRAVDA = COMMIE PROPAGANDA = ROME
Yes, we must not mention the unseen and unmentionable. ROME!
At least the Soviets and now Russians knew and know Pravda for what it is. In the US and Europe, too many people have a strange “allergy” to “conspiracies”, and so the commie gov mafia can do as it pleases.
On the bright side, this probably hurts the Golden One’s reelection chances. With Uncle Joe Biden as Pres we can count on the people who have his backside to keep him propped up properly and to make his mouth flap when needed.
One thing missing.
The media can criticize Trumpian White House “optimistic” view on the virus, betting on its seasonality.
However, before the Left gets advantage from the situation, they have to come up with a potential solution, a better idea. I have heard nothing coming from Congress or other Left dominions on how to do anything different relative to the epidemic. Just a lot of fear mongering, that does not add anything.
I see another weekend at Bernie’s presidency.
Have you heard him speak recently? You should compare what is coming out of his mouth now, with his speaking abilities of some years ago, while he was still coherent. His handlers are soon going to have to run his campaign from a memory care center. He has been publicly disoriented. He is losing his language abilities and can’t seem to complete a sentence or a thought. It’s quite striking. He is losing common nouns and talks of “you know, that thing.” There are many more “things” in his future. Some lose their ability to speak at all. He even got his own name wrong the other day. His speech is full of misused words or words combined in new and odd ways. Those who claim this is a stutter are lying to you or to themselves. Hopefully, he will be having a good day on the inauguration or he won’t be able to get though the oath of office. He will spend his time drooling in a corner and someone else (Hillary?) will be running the show. The Democrats ought to be ashamed of themselves. The strain is going to make his condition much worse.
One of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s is prevarication. When asked a question to which they have forgotten the answer, or don’t know it, they simply make things up, and are blithely unaware that people catch on to their subterfuge. Very clever people can hide it for a while, but I don’t think Joe Biden is one of those, and his disease is now too far advanced.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-people-italy-panicked-tried-113720439.html
Sixteen million northerners quarantined. Those who try to flee will be arrested. This is the Heavy Hand. Nothing else will do. And will they abuse it? Sure they will. But if Salvini was in power, he would use the crisis to save Italy by permanently closing down the borders to alien immigrants. Power is the Double Edged Sword. But you can’t just throw the sword away or beat it into a ploughshare. For someone else will pick it up or already has one. Then you will do the ploughing for them….
many fled.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/six-inmates-dead-scores-escape-as-prisoners-riot-across-italy-after-visitor-restrictions-over-coronavirus
There is a segment of the Chinese community, particularly the expatriate community that fled a repressionist China a few generations ago, that are convinced that the virus was manufactured to reduce the large elderly population in China. They are a burden on the economy. Years ago they sent the elderly to work/agriculture camps, ostensibly to re-educate, but really to work them to death. So they fled. They see this as similar and do not trust the narrative of the ruling party.
I was quite shocked to hear this from ethnic Chinese, but the way they see it, it’s not the Chinese people, but a despotic totalitarian regime that should be blamed.
Again, this is coming from members of the anti-communist/authoritarian Chinese community. Interesting nonetheless to hear their view as they have past experiences and familial ties still there.
could be.
I have read–the solution to the pension crisis is to kill the old.
The Chinese immigrants in my suburban Los Angeles community have been wearing face masks since 2017. I have wanted to ask them why they wear face masks but I did not want to be perceived as racist or hostile. Weak lungs? Sensitive respiratory systems? Allergies? I mean, no other race or ethnic group was wearing masks in 2017 2018 2019. The air here isn’t that bad for goodness sakes. Creepy times for sure. Looking forward to my spring and summer vegetable gardens!
where are you? monterey park?
Temple City
I have found it strange that even as the government health agencies warned of the return of a pandemic akin to the Spanish flu, even going so far as to try to force flu shots on an unwilling public, that same government insisted on installing and maintaining the exact conditions necessary to facilitate such a calamity.
I understand that the Chinese government has no concern for human life and an excess population, what I don’t understand is how people like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi think that they and theirs are untouchable by disease?
They are both plenty old enough to have read a history book or two.
Their behavior defies logic, unless they actually wanted this to happen, then it makes sense.
There is something deeply wrong with these people’s minds.
I have found it strange that even as the government health agencies warned of the return of a pandemic akin to the Spanish flu, even going so far as to try to force flu shots on an unwilling public, that same government insisted on installing and maintaining the exact conditions necessary to facilitate such a calamity.
Are you trying to blame Democrats for Trump’s incompetent and dangerous response to the coronavirus crisis? Remember – he is only concerned about one thing – re-election and whatever it takes.
His response is the correct response.
Stew in your fear porn.
Forty lawyers at the sea-bottom is how we generally define a “good start”, but I would argue that the definition itself may be a good start, but nothing more, and like some other widely held notions like the much beloved Theory of Evolution and that modern-day vehicle for virtue-signalling – climatology – it’s an idea that still needs a lot of work.
I say this because while there’s no doubt as to the damage done by the legal profession, they aren’t unique, there’s a plethora of non-legal occupations that are similarly parasitic, extracting money, spreading distress, inflicting hardship, acting as impediments to general well-being, while posing as indispensable service-providers. Experts, in short.
JHK is right, economics is the glaring example that needs to find its place at the bottom of some deep ocean, similarly IMO the financial advisory industry. I say this because you don’t need some twenty-something sharpie in a bank office helping you “manage” your money, because if you have a mastery of fifth-grade arithmetic and a smidgen of common sense, you can do it yourself and you won’t be paying fees to make some bankster in a corner office rich while you’re watching your funds dwindle.
Wall Street is a casino and what Wall Street collects is skim, nothing more, but unlike the old way of doing it with hard-faced men in Las Vegas counting rooms, this is legal, carved off by algorithms, blessed by imprimaturs of legislators and governors and presidents. What’s the m.o.? Churn ’em and burn ’em?
Maybe this idea has wider applicability, for if Manhattan were to suffer a Godzilla invasion of building-sized fire-breathing monsters, or sink beneath the waves via the sudden melting of all of Antarctica and Greenland, or be consumed in a geologic, disaster-movie firehole, and all of its highly self-regarding and – cough – educated, urban “talent” be dispersed, never again to be an out-sized influence on world and national affairs, I think it won’t have been a subtraction from the sum-total of human wisdom and knowledge and abilities, but rather an addition. Of course, this can sound perilously like “regime change” or “nation building” something that the USA hasn’t proved to be any good at over-seas. But this won’t be over yonder but right at home.
The point is this, if you want to point the finger at “intermediation” as one major malady that ails the polity, then maybe its opposite, disintermediation, is the remedy. And there’s a lot of this intermediation happening, not least in health care via the health insurance industry. The question is how you go about it.
One problem
Corporations, AKA the stock market, are the spine of our retirement system in the US, heck, around the world.
Generation Xers are starting into the last stages of their pre-retirement stage of capital accumulation.
Yep, too bad about that.
We have the financial service providers of Manhattan; we have the ‘good government’ providers of DC.
If the earth opened up and swallowed both groups, would the American people be better or worse off?
To ask the question is to answer it.
That phase of history is rapidly drawing to a close, as the perpetual growth paradigm and the making money for having money fantasies are put to bed for good. Ponzi schemes both.
… and like some other widely held notions like the much beloved Theory of Evolution and that modern-day vehicle for virtue-signalling – climatology – it’s an idea that still needs a lot of work.
I hate to break it to you, but evolution is proven science, and has been for many decades, and global warming has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘virtue signalling’ – it is also scientific and factual.
The natural phenomena of evolution are solid fact as we can see them unfold right under our noses in organisms big and small.
But there’s a lot yet to be determined as to mechanisms, for example, those at the bio-molecular level involved in creating genetic innovation or mechanisms at the more macro level, like at the level of the individual organism and how its interaction with its physical environment can act to create mutation, or the interaction of species with the physical environment.
Natural selection is the means of culling, but there’s a lot more to the story than random mutation and natural selection and it was only recently that labs acquired the ability to quickly read DNA. And DNA is an enormously complex puzzle with multitudes of interlocking “wheels”.
The human DNA molecule has got 3 billion base pairs and how this beast changes over time is still a matter of on-going study. The last chapter isn’t nearly complete. Needs a lot more work.
An example: whale fossils have been found documenting whale evolution in pretty good detail, considering the events in question are fifty million years past. And the big question is how these creatures went from dog sized and completely terrestrial shore dwellers to completely aquatic in the span of hundreds of thousands of years. That’s a fast transition.
The question as to human evolution is the change in behavior in anatomically modern humans, from neanderthal-like to fully modern in innovating tools and technologies and art-forms in what looks like the blink of an eye about fifty thousand years ago. It used to be referred to as The Great Leap Forward. So, what happened to accomplish this? Was it the acquisition of modern language? If so, how did that itself take place? As yet unknown.
And no, I’m no creationist, and no, I’m not talking intelligent design.
As far as global warming goes, it’s the same thing. Global climate is an enormously complex thing. And its models, according to some sources I’ve read, are still a work in progress and as yet of limited use for forecasting purposes. This is still not, notwithstanding the protestation of activists, settled science. As yet a lot of work to be done.
But both these fields are infused with religion, politics, hysteria and bullshit. Too bad about that.
“And its models, according to some sources I’ve read, are still a work in progress and as yet of limited use for forecasting purposes.”
Any climate scientist will tell you that, because it’s an obvious truth. It’s why they’re still doing the science (if they knew it all they’d stop) and improving the models, while knowing perfectly well what the broad brush effects of climate change are (overwhelmingly not good).
Even Donald Trump knows the broad brush effects of climate change are not good. That’s why Trump International applied to have a protective wall built near his Irish golf course, specifically citing increased flooding due to AGW. He won’t tell you that, though (bad for business…), which is where the politicking you mentioned comes in. And he and his are wealthy enough to shield themselves. They don’t live in the places where what were previously 100-year floods are now happening every few years.
No buckets and mops for them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-new-york-sea-wall-mops-buckets-twitter-a9290596.html
Get yourself that Dodge Power Wagon, GA.
8 cylinders, 410 bhp of solid fun.
Your neighbors will be washed away in the Great Severn Flood, you’ll be throwing that beast into 4 wheel overdrive, hauling ass to higher ground, big 18″ wheels spinning, throwing dirt and debris everywhere. Mr Alba will like driving that thing around the Highlands too. A new one costs about $60gs.
Well that massive arson fire in Hartford a few nights ago, an arrest has been made. It was a 35 yo black lesbian by the name of Destiny. She got into a fight with her partner, a fight over hand sanitizer. Yes, she got so mad she lit the whole complex on fire. That’s how they settle their differences apparently. 1 dead, scores injured, over 100 left homeless … and another burned out cinder of a building in the City of Hartford.
Brh
Do you own shares in Dodge Power Wagons, brh? 🙂
Mr Alba has just ordered something for the Lake District trip later in the month – probably the old Hillux again but I wasn’t even curious enough to ask.
Mostly Mr Alba takes some persuading to go anywhere. I’ve taken numerous trips with my kids/grandkid/significant others to my favourite little village up north on the west coast without him.
I’m not great with huge vehicles, owing to a lifetime of not owning one. The biggest I drove was a Range Rover the rental people upgraded me to because they didn’t have the more modest car I’d ordered. I loved it, I must say – great for open Scottish roads up north, but I wouldn’t have wanted to have to park it around here.
Although I did have a minibus license from the local authority at one time that allowed me to help drive a bunch of sweary teenagers from a rough school I was briefly at around bits of France, Germany and Italy, with tents.
Yes, your locality does seem to be a bit flavoursome, brh. Glad mine’s quieter.
Re the cost, brh, my first house cost £18K. The only car I’ve ever owned new was a Vauxhall Nova (definitely a lady’s car!) which cost £5K (no loans). I sold it two years later because I had an overdraft of £200 – £200!! – and it freaked me out being in debt. I bought my brother’s 7-year-old Mini Metro for not that much and it lasted me 8 years till its clutch died (and it was embarrassingly rusty). It would have cost £150 to fix and the car wasn’t worth that much so it went for scrap (£50).
Cars are money pits. Glad I don’t have to maintain one.
Vauxhall Nova
Mini Metro
Whew!
Now we’re talking about some serious Iron!
Nah, I don’t own stock in Chrysler; the Dodge Power Wagon was about the baddest, fuel suckingest 8 cylinder hog I could think of.
Brh
And yet,. Barack Obama buys waterfront property on Cape Cod Massachusetts. I guess he doesn’t know that the board brush effects of climate change are not good,.huh
On the fire, she was not trans so who cares?
Patriot, it’s not rocket science.
(1) People who buy a waterfront property on Cape Cod aren’t going to die if something happens to it. Chances are they’ve got a little pad somewhere else where they can take refuge.
(2) Cape Cod isn’t going underwater in Obama’s lifetime. It’s a sloooow process and he’s going to get lots of nice summers out of it, hopefully without too many major storms.
But if I had dosh, would I invest in waterfront property in Florida at this juncture? Er, no… but you go ahead if you think you can buck the trend. There may be deals to be had.
BRH, 60g is a pile of money for four wheels. Now, I know this isn’t a remotely exact parallel but it may serve to illustrate a point. Around the year 1970 my dad was making about 10G per year. He bought a full size Pontiac, 4 door for 3G, brand new. Now, that was 50 yrs ago so maybe my memory is a bit off. But I don’t think it’s that far off.
No I don’t think they’re selling too many of those at that exhorbitant price, V
Just having a little fun, here in the face of impending human extinction.
For some reason I can’t get the (made for TV) movie ‘The Stand’ out of my head.
Brh
like at the level of the individual organism and how its interaction with its physical environment can act to create mutation
LaMarkism was considered by Darwin and ultimately rejected, and it has been rejected by every sensible scientist ever since, particularly after the mechanism of evolution – genetic mutation – was all figured out.
Natural selection is the means of culling, but there’s a lot more to the story than random mutation and natural selection and it was only recently that labs acquired the ability to quickly read DNA. And DNA is an enormously complex puzzle with multitudes of interlocking “wheels”.
Sounds like Creationist talking points to me. Genetic mutation leading to species differentiation (and varying levels of long-term success) iIS evolution.
But both these fields are infused with religion, politics, hysteria and bullshit. Too bad about that.
Only by the lunar right who can’t handle the truth … for the rest of us – plus scientists – have no problem with it.
Cargill, if you’re going to try to sound smart, please do a wee bit of fact checking before you post.
What the fuck is “LaMarkism”? Did you mean Lamarckian evolution? The idea for which we remember Lamarck, the inheritance of acquired characteristics, was what Darwin wrestled with and “ultimately rejected.” However, you’re fully off your chime when you say that this has been rejected by every sensible scientist ever since. When I was a biology major in 1990, yours would have been considered an uncontroversial statement, but the relatively new field of transgenerational epigenetics has opened up the topic for debate again. That you don’t know this means you’re likely less familiar with biology than you think you are.
Alas, you’re likely one of the many ignoramuses (left, right, or center) who say that “science is settled” when science, BY DEFINITION, is permanently unsettled, always open to correction by new discoveries. You likely also believe that the science is settled only when it comes to the science that you believe in, less so for the science with which you disagree.
“Talking points” are what people who don’t have original thoughts or triple-digit IQs use. The rest of us do the best to make sense of the blooming buzzing confusion with which we’re presented using all available perspectives. That’s because truly intelligent people recognize that the universe, including the tiny slice experienced by talking monkeys, is far more complicated than any single viewpoint can encompass.
Based on the comments on this page, I suspect you’re far more like “creationists” and the “lunar right” – a mirror image likely – than you would ever suspect.
Now get back in your grain elevator.
Oh good grief – not only does James attract the lunar right, white shock-jocks, deep-state paranoids, and Trump cultists, but we now have happy-clapping creationists and sundry anti-science god-botherers.
By the way, Lamarkism is a general term to describe the long history of thought, associated with the inheritance of acquired characteristics (most often through use or disuse in the parent generation). It was – and remains – bad science
It is generally used to distinguish it from Darwinism, and the evolution of species through natural selection. This has been especially so since the development and universal acceptance of the modern synthesis – the marriage of evolution with genetics.
I hold two science degrees .. feel free to disagree with me, and maintain your creationist beliefs – but raging in anger and hurling personal attacks …. just makes you look silly and childish.
Have a great day, comrade!
Global warming is happening, and mans activities could be a factor, or maybe not. Maybe it’s a natural cycle. Either way, I don’t think anything can or will be done to mitigate it. It’s impossible to get all the tribes to work together on anything. As far as evolution being settled science, I don’t think so. I think it’s one of those things like the beginnings of life in general, that are currently unknowable. Some still call it the THEORY of evolution. Actually it isn’t something that I am particularly concerned with. Think about all the times that you had supposedly “settled science” that was proven to be completely erroneous after some new discovery that blew the settled science out of the water. Flat Earth anyone. Oh, this is for Cargill. P.S. Should have mentioned creationism, which has about the same probability as evolution.
Except that evolution is 100% settled science – it’s the foundation of all the biological sciences to the same extent that gravity is a cornerstone of physics.
Creationism on the other hand is 100% apple sauce, and a superstitious view only held by the childish, scared, or intellectually enfeebled.
Except that evolution is 100% settled science
No, it ain’t hardly. Not even close.
Cargill, I tried to enlighten you, I even recommended some reading of scientific journals and science mags. Maybe you missed it. It’s further down the discussion thread.
And so did Lagingrunatic. He did you a favor, he referenced epigenetics. It’s a relatively new field. I first read about it about maybe ten or fifteen years ago in an article in Scientific American.
You really need to bone up on this stuff.
And you’re discrediting yourself, not least with this name calling.
Evolution – the marriage between speciation through natural selection (the adaptation of species | individuals to the natural environment they are in), and genetic understanding (the modern synthesis) is totally and utterly accepted and settled science..
Say what you will – use all the name-calling you want – but you won’t change those scientific facts. It might grate against your Creationist cult beliefs, but so what? Don’t change nuffink.
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, Jim.
RW
the world pretty much went on as always right after the Spanish Fluenza. the Asian flue of the late 1950s killed approximately 60 thousand Americans and the world went right on as normal. The Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s killed about 34 thousand americans and the world went right on as normal.
We didn’t rely on getting crap from China, is the difference.
Many people including me have said that a nation that doesn’t manufacture anything is not and cannot be a secure nation.
The money was too good for a small segment of our population, for anything to be done about this.
people will not be able to replace their televisions as frequently. big deal.
“people will not be able to replace their televisions as frequently. big deal.”
Seriously, dogger?
How about clothing and shoes? There is no textile industry in North America. I worry about work boots since I trash two or three pairs a year. What about most of the replacement parts that keep your car (and all the city buses and delivery trucks and farm tractors) usable? Maybe even the parts and supplies to keep municipal water, sewer, and other utilities up and running? They’re already recognizing problems with drugs and medical supplies, and grocery stores contain a fair amount of Asian foodstuffs.
But all you can think about are televisions?
Consumer goods stopped using replaceable parts long ago. If you can’t buy new you won’t have it. Salad shooters will be in short supply and who cares. But everything will be in short supply because America makes nothing. That matters. We fully transitioned to a modern service economy where everything is bought but nothing is made. Now at the finish line we reach our end.
Yes, ridiculous doggerel from dogger. Thank God for Kpup to redeem dog kind.
I don’t know about the clothes, but I bought a pair of San Antonio Shoes (SAS) in 2010. They cost me $230.00, but I have been wearing them for 10 years now, with the original soles. They are quality made in the USA and available online or at outlets. Check ’em out 😉
The money was too good for a small segment of our population, for anything to be done about this.
No – the prices (and quality) were too good for millions of consumers – without globalisation we’d be watching youtube on a Hanimex slide projector that cost $800. We caused it – and still do.
Yeah, who cares about all the lost jobs as long as the newly minted homeless all have cellphones and can watch TV on those little screens, right punk?
Sadly – that’s totally and utterly how American (all) consumers operate. Price is everything. We’re getting better stuff from Japan at half the price and twice the quality? Great – let’s go for it! Where’s the nearest WalMart?
doggersize
Yes
doggersize
No. Hell No!
in the 2017-2018-2018-2019 flu seasons 161,000 Americans died from the flu with nary a whimper
Right on cue, just received a text from Amazon saying my copy of “Living in the Long Emergency” is arriving tomorrow.
Put on latex gloves, spray package with liquid pool shock then put it in the sun for a week, after that microwave it on high for 10 minutes. Unwrap and enjoy!
Haha – there are some advantages to Kindle, then – no virus (of that kind anyway) whizzing its way through fibre-optic cable!
I read in the New York Times article
“but it is this second strain that is often expressed on the British left, from the communist Morning Star to the liberal New Statesman and The Guardian. Imported from American feminist circles during the 1970s, the argument is largely disowned in the United States.”
I believe the argument, Trans women are not real, cis, women, is not largely disowned in the United States and nor is it a mouthpiece of communists.
https://www.feministcurrent.com/
A few months back, I happened to run into someone I hadn’t seen in years, and she filled me in on the doings of some people we both knew.
I was saddened to learn of the passing, at a relatively young age, of a friend of mine.
I say friend, but he wasn’t really a close friend, obviously, but he was someone I had always thought I would see again.
He was an odd sort of man, nerdy even, sometimes exasperating; but, as another friend and I had once agreed on about him, he was someone you could count on, even if everyone else had deserted you.
The kind of person you could pick up the phone and just say “I need help” to, and he would be there.
I started thinking, after reading today’s essay (but not for the first time), of some of the most reliable and capable friends I have. It’s a funny thing about reliability, it goes hand in hand with self-reliance, and the self-reliant people I know all own guns.
These are people who grow their own food, and now how to preserve it. Some hunt, some do not. They know how to fix their own vehicles.
I’m also just now noticing, one of these people has had trouble with one of his kids, because the kid married a “woman of color” and decided the old man is a racist transphobic xenophobe or something.
I am this very minute realizing the vale of the ‘trans’ movement.
It gets harder and harder to allege racism in a society that really doesn’t care all that much about race anymore. So, in order to divide the younger generation from people like I have mentioned, their patriotic elders, they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.
Now we have become deplorable, and the younger people are morally superior to us. Get it?
Yep, it is splitting this country apart!
Exactly what the haters want!!!
Beryl, it is a restless revolutionary spirit that cannot stand still. It resembles the media in this. In his polemic Addicted To Distraction Bruce Charlton says that our nihilistic, destructive media ‘are’ the Left. Myself, I think it is rather that both the Left and the media (I agree with him that they are much the same thing) live wholly in the collective fantasy. it is sheer non-sense. I do not even think they have it planned but rather they make it up as they go along, although the Left’s stupidity has been remarkably consistent through the decades.
Hello Sean,
My friend Dr. E. Michael Jones has been tracking this “restless revolutionary spirit that cannot stand still.” for a number of years and has written some fascinating articles/books about same:
https://culturewars.com/
https://culturewars.com/news/kevin-macdonalds-metaphysical-blunder
Polish those reading glasses and . . .
Carry-on til you are carrion,
PFO
Yeah Jones doesn’t believe in Race. The reason why Blacks have failed at Civilization is because they got Christianity so late. Funny how that didn’t hold us back nor the East Asians, Indians, etc.
He’s going to debate Jared Taylor in the near future. Taylor is going to wipe the floor with him.
Paul, well spotted. I borrowed Jones’s phrase.
He is required reading or watching. I bought his Jewish Rev. Spirit but have not read it yet. I have, however, read most of Solzhenitsyn’s Deux Siecles Ensemble (Two Centuries Together) about the Jews and Russia (there is no English translation) and it is most interesting (I was going to write ‘astonishing’ but I have stopped being astonished).
I think I may have first heard about him from yourself on this blog, a comment which related to the Church scandals. I disagreed with him (and you) on that occasion because Jones was advancing an explanation for the scandals ( a reasonable one which said that the Church had been captured by the homosexuals, and, as with all of his arguments, he can (from memory) provide evidence and trace the events and personalities that led to it.). I disagreed because the whole thing is likely (albeit with some exceptions) a lie, a collective fantasy.
I also disagreed with him on the Bitchute canal about the Epstein story. Jones seems tot believe that Epstein was operating a high-level blackmail ring using hidden cameras in his home or hones. I maintain that the evidence for this, or for any other of the far-fetched claims in the scandal, is conspicuous by its near-total absence. It is yet another collective fantasy,.
He deleted some comments of mine. These are time-consuming so he did me a favour. This happens a lot to my comments on the internet and it is interesting from a psych9ological point of view. His Irish ancestors come from the same neck o fthe woods as my own family, Ballaghderreen (universally mis-pronounced nowadays by putting the stress on the final syllable).
I also agree with Janos in that I think he is wrong about race. He refers to some sociological theory about identity in America being determined by religion.
Nevertheless he is one of the most important thinkers, writers, commentators or whatever around. He wrote perceptively about the African AIDS fraud and noted that the main complainants against Weinstein had made sex videos.
His short book about Hesenberg is excellent too.
You lost your mind. Your attempt to put a positive face on racism falls on its face. There were never were, and there are not now any ‘patriotic elders’ who came up with civil rights as a means of social control. Take responsibility for your weakness.
You’d also be fine with everything if you had a piece of the pie and were in on the secret. Even if there were elders to shift blame to and avoid personal responsibility your Übermensch would deserve a place on a funeral pyre for failure no matter the cause. That is what your morality demands so you should apply it fairly, don’t you think?
People need to stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.
‘ Candide, as he was returning home, made profound reflections on the Turk’s discourse. “This good old man,” said he to Pangloss and Martin, “appears to me to have chosen for himself a lot much preferable to that of the six kings with whom we had the honor to sup.” … “Neither need you tell me,” said Candide, “that we must take care of our garden.” “You are in the right,” said Pangloss; “for when man was put into the garden of Eden, it was with an intent to dress it: and this proves that man was not born to be idle.” “Work then without disputing,” said Martin; “it is the only way to render life supportable.” ‘
“How can happiness be found?”
Voltaire’s answer:
“Happiness lies in the cultivation of the garden.”
Where did I say my reliable friends are all white?
Maybe I’m not getting what you’re saying but I don’t see racism in Beryl’s post.
We don’t know the nature of the conflict with the kid who married this “woman of color”. We really don’t know what led the kid to make this phobia accusation. Maybe it involved this woman of color and maybe some act she committed that didn’t sit well with the kid’s parent. And maybe the parent’s reaction didn’t sit well with the kid. But we don’t know what was done or said.
As to this modern-day moral preening that we see, that isn’t surprising, we’ve seen it all through history. You said it, it’s one method for acquiring status or power, or of getting rid of enemies and rivals.
You know, I’m holier than you. And, if you want to be as holy as me, YOU have to do as I do, not the other way around. Look, the sign of the cross with TWO fingers, NOT three.
You read all about it, the accusation of blasphemy or witchcraft or apostasy that led to the trial and burning at the stake. It’s now the accusation of one or other phobia that shuts people down and undercuts and destroys careers and reputation.
I think that Beryl is onto something; maybe racism is old hat, it’s SOOO 20th century, something for the old farts, but not nearly avant garde or hip or cool enough for the young ‘uns.
And I think Sean is right about collective fantasies. But we should take heart because I think there’s reason for optimism. I’ve read that the seriously insane can put aside their delusions if their physical survival is threatened. IOW nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of hanging.
That’s the bright side to these multiple calamities in the making, whether it’s contagion or economics that don’t work, it will wake us all up from whatever dream world we’re nurturing, or we fucking die.
There are not nearly enough actual racist bogeymen to feed the paranoid paradigms of left-wing nut jobs like Cargill – or his alter ego Jussie Smollett. So they fabriacte racists and racist acts. Everyone not in line with their demented agenda is labelled “racist”.
Another example just in…
Another hate crime hoax was exposed after the words “white pride” were carved into the sidewalk outside a black-owned gym in Tennessee – by a black woman. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hate-hoax-black-woman-carves-white-pride-sidewalk-outside-black-owned-gym
Thanks for that. The article links to a ‘hate hoax’ website.
I did not realize there were so many such hoaxes. Colin Flaherty has covered some and I agree with him that they are fascinating.
There is a staggering amount of deceit and delusion in the world now and this is what interests me.
But yeah, stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.
“People need to stop with the tranny shit and pick up a hoe.”
Quite the pun “pick up a hoe” 😉
Spoken like a guy who really does need a Salad Shooter.
And it that works out a little more effectively than you’ve bargained for, the same company has a division that makes adult diapers.
Define it Kdog. And then watch how different definitions are use for Whites and for Blacks. White pride is Racist. Everyone else’s pride is fine.
Now admit it: You’ve never even noticed this all important fact.
Are you saying you would vote for a white Tranny? What do you say about the Night of the Long Knives? You have to have an opinion.
Since you refused to answer I must assume you are fine with the onus against pride for Whites and only Whites – and that’s just wrong. Evil in fact.
It gets harder and harder to allege racism in a society that really doesn’t care all that much about race anymore. So, in order to divide the younger generation from people like I have mentioned, their patriotic elders, they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.
Yes – your attempt to defend (even romanticise) a racist, xenophobic, white nativist world as a happy place that we have lost … does rather fall flat on its face. And to equate that racist, xenophobic white nativist world with ‘patriotic’ – quite a stretch.
I quite admire people who grow their own food, can preserve it, and can even fix their own cars … admirable skills, but there are millions of other useful skills too. And it has nothing to do with gun ownership – which does not get an automatic pass, I’m afraid.
Next you’ll be saying (a) African-Americans don’t really belong in America, even though their families pre-date about 98% of white Americans, and (b) Democrats are un-American and treasonous, because they’re not like “us” … or something.
I have done no such thing. Your reading comprehension is a little (a lot) on the lower end of the scale.
Why would I say black Americans don’t belong in America? Why would you imagine that I would think so?
BTW, I couldn’t care less whether you give gun owners a pass or not.
What I SAID was, the most reliable and self-reliant people I know are gun owners.
Don’t worry about it, B of O.
Cargille thinks just the fact that you and I are alive is a sign of racism.
He sounds like a follower of the 1619 project.
Brh
What I SAID was, the most reliable and self-reliant people I know are gun owners.
You said rather more than that – that there is some honourable tribe headed up by “patriotic elders” – whatever they might be – and “they” (who are they?) are dividing off the son – through the black missus, presumably.
they have to come up with a “civil rights” issue so bizarre, repugnant, ridiculous, destructive, and just plain wrong, that the remaining patriots draw a line in the sand.
And the racist, xenophobic, white nativist tribe ostracises anyone who sees the truth and dares call them out – like the son.
They just wanted him to grow up, buy a pick-up and a gun, marry that nice Bobby-Sue (she’s only ba second cousin), get some work down at the slaughterhouse, and drink whiskey & rye with the good ole boys. Like a Real American LOL.
I thought you were Australian. Don’t you have an Aborigine to lift out of poverty and educate? Instead you focus on mocking working class white Americans. Aside from having seen “Deliverance”, what do you know about those you paint with your broad brush of derision?
Color of Crime:
• Murder is the leading cause of death for Black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are other Black men 93 percent of the time.
• Black males age 18-35 years of age are only 1.8% of the U.S. population, yet have committed 52% of homicides from 1980-2008. Black males (all ages) are only 6% of the U.S. population, yet commit 46% of all violent crimes, and 50% of the gun homicides. If Blacks were removed from the equation, the U.S. gun homicide rate would be equal to Great Britain’s, who have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.
• The Black homicide rate is 17 per 100,000, a rate over 9x that of the White rate, and comparable to some of those most murderous countries in the world. If the homicide rate for the U.S. were the White-only rate, the homicide rate would drop 84%, making the U.S. rate comparable to European countries.
• According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2018 survey of criminal victimization, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between Blacks and Whites last year, including White-on-Black and Black-on-White attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and Whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.
• According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting for 2018, of the homicide victims for whom race was known, 53.3% were Black, 43.8% were White and 2.8% were of other races. In cases where the race of the offender was known, 54.9% were Black, 42.4% were White, and 2.7% were of other races.
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent. This means that a Black is 27 times more likely to attack a White person than vice versa.
• For each one standard deviation increase in proportion of Black population, firearm homicide rate is increased by 82.8%. Therefore, the U.S. has a Black problem, not a gun or violent crime problem. When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• 40% of gun crime occurs in just three cities: 596 (10%) – St Louis, MO, 53 (11%) – Detroit, MI, and 1,527 (27%) – Chicago, IL.
• Black males between 16-35 years of age are only 4.2% of the population, yet commit 72% of the street crime in America.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black.
• If New York City were all White, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all-White Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
• The United States is third in murders throughout the world, but if you omit just five Black cities (Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, and New Orleans) from the equation, then the United States is fourth from the bottom.
• Black serial killers have comprised over half of documented serial killers since the dawn of the 21st century at 56 percent, making up a total of 40 percent in years dating back to 1900. Blacks constituted 44% of the known serial killers during the 1995-2004 period and 38.2% of all multiple murderers (serial, mass, and spree combined) during 1976-1998 period. During the 2000-2010 decade, 62% of serial killers were Black.
Like all Conservatives, you crawl real good. If only you were what he says you are. People who believe in “Nice” could never have conquered this continent and created the United State of America.
The etymology of “nice” is fool btw……
You are wrong.
There is nothing wrong with being nice, until it’s time to not be nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMRHNFRZY9E
That’s fine too, Ben – amongst our own. But we weren’t nice to the Indians. We wanted their lands and we took them in the name of Fathers and our God.
Own it. Or go back to Europe and become a Muslim.
The first duty of the Conqueror is the bear the hatred of the Conquered. No easy task. Driving them out is usually the best option or else they will seek revenge in all kinds of ways, big and small.
” We wanted their lands and we took them in the name of Fathers and our God.”
Does God not love Indians? Also I thought he didn’t like his name taken in vain. I think if he existed he might say take responsibility for your own murdering and don’t put it on me, mate.
African-Americans don’t really belong in America, even though their families pre-date about 98% of white Americans. Lets see the proof behind that statement,. comrade. Or did it come out of your arse like most of the rest of your screed?
Lets see the proof behind that statement,. comrade.
The last slaves arrived in the US in 1859-1860 … and most had arrived a century and more prior to that. But the overwhelming balance of people who have descendants alive today, arrived after 1860.
It would be pretty easy for almost every African-American to claim family in America from well before 1860 – but a far smaller percentage of today’s non-African-American population could equally do so. Not very many came over on the Mayflower.
You have your facts wrong, More Blacks have moved to USA since 1965 than were here when Lincoln died.
Possibly, but not the point of this discussion … I was talking about African-Americans who are descended from slaves, and all that that can entail.
And the fact that many current African-Americans have much longer family histories in the US than most of the good ole white nativists in red hats – whose ragged-arse great-grandparents got to the US much later.
Since you’re apparently an Australian, maybe you’re best to just leave off the fantasy-driven, incorrect, and wildly insulting generalizations about Americans, especially those of the past.
That’s a mighty fine glass house you live in down there.
He is not Australian that is a hoax he is an American propagandist pushing nonsense and propaganda.
Paid handsomely by the Deep State too – have to afford the nice condo in Aspen.
Paul, just to add that his videos get repetitive because he is just repeating his basic ideas to different audiences. This is all well and good. Peter Hitchens does the same and I expect everybody does. it is also helpful in getting a thorough understanding of a person’s views. However I am keeping an eye out now for videos where he tackles other subjects in some detail. There is a good one about education, the usefulness of the so-called strong sciences, about English literature and such like,.
I do not share his interest in philosophy except in so far as it helps me to understand the psychology and motivations of historical figures. Jung wrote that introverts are not attracted to it as they think logically anyway (EMJ has his views on Jung too). Contrary to everyone else I have come across I believe Jung was an extravert and this would colour his understanding of things. Suffice to say that I have never arrived at a different understanding of the world through philosophy, just a better understanding of what makes philosophers tick (and really not even that).
Reading JHK this Monday I am beginning to suspect that the corona virus has begun to mutate in places to a super-atavism bug. On the other hand, I saw people loading two-year supply of toilet paper into their SUVs in a supermarket parking lot last night. Evidently, not everyone is ready to give up on civilization yet.
Just a tip, suburbia is full of ornamental apple, pear and cherry trees. Most of these will readily accept grafted wood taken from useful varieties. For example, you could convert a flowering crab apple to honeycrisp, golden delicious or any other variety you could get. The added benefit is since it is being grafted onto a mature tree, fruiting will occur much sooner. I plan to start a business offering this service in the vicinity of Albany, NY.
I got some great honeycrisp apples in the Albany area this past season.
Wish I had a flowering tree.
I have some lousy invasive Chinese stuff out back, that will have to be cut down if I want to do any serious planting.
No, the patent on it ran out and it isn’t trademarked. Most of the really new varieties are trademarked though. Interestingly, once their patent expired they can be propogated, just not called the trademarked name. For example, Pink Lady is trademarked, but the genetically identical variety Cripp’s Pink is not.
Frack, meant to reply to Malthuses question below.
I have apples, pears, peaches and cherries Literally hundreds of lbs. I don’t spray. They all have spots. I can’t even give them away. People won’t eat them. Their loss. The animals however love them
That’s common. You could always make booze out of them ? Sad thing is, the stuff that causes those spots is harmless to humans. Can’t say that about insecticides used on fruit crops. One common class of insecticides, organophosphates, was discovered through research into chemical weapons, specifically nerve agents.
I have exactly the same variety, SEF, with the addition of a moody apricot tree and a very prolific and large elderberry bush. I have a feeling if the SHTF, people won’t be as picky about spots on the fruit varieties they’re begging from those who have prepared
Wish we lived closer I would eat em!
does the owner of Honeycrisp [tm] get a royalty? Im not joking.
That’s an interesting question. One I never thought about, because I only ever buy the apples, never the tree.
they do
thanks…book> The Ownership of All Life.
Great piece today, Jim, thank you!
Good post Jim, You are absolutely correct, The Long Emergency is here. Glad it is spring, got a lot of planting to do soon. We need to finish Maple syrup production here first. Thank you, hope your site stays up……don from New Hampshire
SUMMER IS ICUMIN IN
Summer is icumin in
Sing Corona Flu
Grows the seed and blows the mead
And springs the wood anew
Sing Corona Flu
Sing the Corpus Corona,
The flock of those who spread surrounds me as I surround,
I’ll not be free till it comes to me, removes,
the stain and move the bleaching on.
It was sure that those who rule from walls would hide.
From hidden walls there is no difference between the living and the dead.
If the body does not tend the garden how can the garden tend the soul.
The garden cultivates, but the walls hide,
the body and the soul.
I need to get out and till the soil. This week! I have about 10 x 15 feet on the side of the house. It gets more shade than I like but it works.
I don’t know what I am doing. I am two generations from the land. I need to read this.
https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-grow-a-victory-garden-1388679
K-dog
Learning to garden is finding out what will grow in your area. Planting stuff that is ill suited leads to failures, pest infestations, poor results.
Happy gardening!
I live in Seattle. If I get a Portland Oregon Manual I should be fine. Portland birds started showing up three years ago.
I’ll probably be back a bit later after re-reading – and why wouldn’t I re-read such fine writing – to make some of my typical comments. But most importantly, I do want to say thanks for the fine writing, it’s rare these days, beyond rare.
(and my non-fine punctuation and personal syntax should not be construed to mean I am a poor judge of such things)
So yes, thanks for that, and hopefully it will keep on, along with the ability for hunkering persons to comment. Also rare.
The Internet used to be (as someone else once described it) a lot like Summer Camp. I really miss those days.
Dow’s in shitter territory. Down 2000 pts.
Wow I’m up a ton!! Dow 2/8/16 15,973. Today 24,073 as I write. I’m up 50.7 % in 5 years. Things are great. I am rich!! This market is UP.UP. UP!! To The MOON, Alice!! Me thinks the fed should relax and provide some stimulus. I need MORE!!
Deals abound! Funny, isn’t it, how everywhere else price cuts are a cause for celebration? With stocks, people buy them and expect them to appreciate based on no efforts on their part (nor the firm’s either, in many if not most cases), other than the alleged acumen the buyer displayed for buying them. Fool’s gold indeed.
So I picked up 40 lbs, of beans, keep back 200 feet!!
https://www.webstaurantstore.com/dried-chick-peas-garbanzo-beans-20-lb/111GARBANZO.html
Is aping commie-jihadi propaganda all you’re good for?
Seems you’re not that interested in buying the “means of production” after all. It matters not the price, discounted or not, it’s all “fools gold”. You’re smarter than all. You be collecting the welfare checks from the bankrupt government.
And then the envy depression and bloodlust overcomes the diseased mind, because it’s the “Zionists” who separated youz and youz great missing fortunes! Them manipulates da worldz against youz!
Huh??
That was for … , not for you elmo.
With stocks, people buy them and expect them to appreciate based on no efforts on their part (nor the firm’s either, in many if not most cases)
This is only part of the story … some of us purchase shares and never sell them – my wife and I have bought quite a lot over the years, and have never sold any.
We don’t buy solely (or even mainly) on the basis of capital gains … we are retirees and the dividend return is far more useful to us, so the performance of the company in the real world is quite important.
We stick to steady, long-term, blue-chips, and a couple of indexes. A 20% drop in share price is much less important that the overall strength of the economy, and the company performance. Too many people obsess over what the Wall Street casino is doing.
The question remains – when to BTD.
The question remains – when to BTD.
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-20%
or
-50%
We’re at -20% now and are due for a short bounce. But this will likely start to morph from a -20% to a -50% in a few weeks from now.
Not sure if your AUD, when converted to USD, will allow you to really take advantage of the discounted prices. Seems to me the AUD likes to follow the SPX down, and at an even faster pace. Best to already have USD at hand now.
The ASX (Sydney) has also fallen ~20% – I only buy Australian shares with Australian dollars.
And we do have some valuable USD bills – we bought them in NYC some years ago when the AUD was worth $US1.04 … the AUD is now worth only about $US0.65. I shoulda bought more.
LOL I get the obstreperous virtue signaling now.
The Trump market crash will likely be even worse than the George W. market crash. There’s obviously steep competition for these types of titles in the GOP.
I guess Trump could only ride Obama’s coat-tails for so long. Reality was bound to intrude eventually.
WPA please seek help immediately…you need it very badly. Your grasp on reality is slipping if you let it get too far there might be no helping you.
wpa-ccc
Best quip in a long time.
Trump riding Obama’s coat-tails. Amen.
Like Bush riding Clinton’s.
Right, cuz Clinton rode Bush’s.
Bush set up NAFTA, Clinton signed off on it. He said it was going to send all the shit jobs overseas, freeing American workers up to enjoy all the better paid mid-level and management jobs that would multiply like rabbits in JHK’s garden.
Win-win. Emerging nations would get their next logical, developmental step forward and so would the American worker. That’s all I have to say about that.
So the big concern is that people are getting corona virus twice.
The disease is much more virulent the second time often causing death or organ damage.
Officials promised to monitor and track the new dos equis strain closely…
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Bad joke I heard in a packed bar in Chicago this weekend. The bartender did not even notice the irony.
Here our favourite lager is XXXX – because Australians can’t spell “beer”.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/smoking-marijuana-may-harm-your-heart-though-more-research-is-needed/ar-BB10Xa13?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me…s-say-think-again/ar-BB10Gxxt?ocid=spartanntp
Cargill,. Green Alba, WPA, Janet Asorka Seawolf and all you other brain damaged tokers take note
You seem to be confused, Patriot. I’m the boring one from Edinburgh. 🙂
And your second link doesn’t show anything.
And I’m the boring one from Melbourne – and have never ever been a stoner … I like my Chardonnay too much (BTW that’s a crisp, dry white wine, and wine is an alcoholic drink derived from the fermentation of grapes).
Now please enlighten me. Of all the corona virus deaths so far, how many victims were 65 and over or had one of the following conditions:cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer?
doesnt matter if one is one of the dead.
In Italy, the deaths are starting at age 50.
stay away.
From you or from Italy? I wasn’t planning to approach either.
“… though it is still not known if corona virus was actually created by Gaia’s wards, Homo sapiens, themselves, who are suddenly feeling the blowback.”
The story seems to be that a Chinese “Post-Doc” working in the P4 lab in Wuhan accidentally got infected and then died quickly. It was then transmitted to people in the course of improperly handling her dead body. This may explain why they immediately cremate the dead bodies in Wuhan. It was a virus being developed for a bioweapon, but not yet perfected. The goal is to create a bioweapon that can quickly wipe out the population of a city, but burn itself out relatively quickly so that it doesn’t blow back and redound to attack your own people. Very Evil…
The story seems to be that a Chinese …
And where did this story come from?
Most vulnerable are the elderly, as well as people with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer, according to an article in The Scientist, a magazine for people in the life sciences field. As Lisa Gralinski, a virologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in the article: “If you’re over 50 or 60 and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.”
According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying. Of course the same percentage probably occurs with any of those folks who get “conventional flu”
Check this AARP article out:https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html
During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States8. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza9,10. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019.
Our estimates of hospitalizations and mortality associated with the 2018–2019 influenza season continue to demonstrate how serious influenza virus infection can be. We estimate, overall, there were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season. More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ?65 years. Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection. An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake11.
” When the dust settles from all that, we’ll discover one of the primary conditions of the new era: we’re poorer — a lot of what we took to be money, or things that represented money, were figments. “Money” itself, as manifested in currencies, may become a slippery concept, with low credibility. If that’s the case, people ought to ask themselves: how can I be useful or helpful to the others around me in a way that will raise my own social capital and accumulate, at least, the good will of these other people, and perhaps some of their help or service in return for mine? That is the beginning of building a local community — people bound together by mutual obligations, responsibilities, duties, and rewards. ”
What you are describing is feudalism.
Why you don’t go ahead and call a thing what it is points to how and why you wound up with the lunacy of LGBT in the first place.
You have had 500 years of revolutions which were actually bad ideas.
Because they were bad ideas , the dogmas and rhetoric to paper over that need necessarily become ever more fantastic , shrill , and finally desperate and hysterical.
You need further revolutions which are even worse than the original ones.
It’s all for nothing , as what progress you have actually seen was the product of Spanish silver mines , cheap coal , and cheap petroleum.
And not in anything said in the Declaration of Independence , in The Communist Manifesto , or the quotes and quips of Adam Smith or Betrand Russel.
And history abounds in examples where the winners writing the history books only resulted in the winners becoming losers because they bought into their own self – flattering propaganda and it made them blind to easy to see realities.
What you are describing is feudalism.
Well not really – feudalism was a social | political system where the mass of the population were rural, and legally tied to a landowner, in much the same way that a landowner might own cattle or slaves.
I don’t think James (or anyone else) is suggesting that this is either desirable or our fate in the future. Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, and with the heavy depopulation of rural areas, labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power.
What we have already is feudalism — without the good parts.
I don’t know how they do things in Australia , but in the United States , just you try getting a job as a street sweeper without being obliged to piss into a cup .
And the puerile excuse given as to why this is necessary is security.
As if street – sweeping has anything to do with any security issue whatever.
Never mind the owners , the average serf here has less regard for the serf next door than for cattle.
And if we called them slaves I suspect it would be an upgrade in real respect.
” … legally tied to a landowner, in much the same way that a landowner might own cattle or slaves. ”
You are still legally tied to a landowner , except the landowner is lacking corporeal form or a ready identification.
How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.
As for the ” legally ” part , to say there are a thousand times more legal restrictions now , than then , is no exaggeration.
How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.
” I don’t think James (or anyone else) is suggesting that this is either desirable or our fate in the future. ”
James thinks the FBI ( the Stassi by another name ) and the CIA ( the KGB by another name ) can be reformed.
“…labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power. ”
In other words a natural calamity , not any sort of political program or movement , had an unintended and unforeseen positive outcome.
” Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, ”
That’s 400 years before the American Revolution.
So , I suppose , the irony is that the consequences had scarce any relation to , or baring , on any agenda you people are currently pushing.
” labor …. had more power. ”
Meant what , for example ?
The equivalent police budgets of the time necessarily had to be slashed across the board.
Court orders were ignored.
The peasants had the leverage to bodily throw the equivalent of social workers off their front porch.
” Fuck off , you nosey busy – body control freak ! ” was the common attitude of the day.
” Resumes ? Background checks ? drug tests ? Nope , fuck that shit. I’ll take my labor elsewhere. ”
Maybe I misjudge you people —
— but I don’t think so.
I don’t think those are outcomes that you , or James , or Janos , or John Az , look forward to.
Not least because they ARE outcomes I look forward to.
So there’s another irony.
” Ironically, feudalism was basically dismantled as a result of the Black Death in the 14thC, ”
That’s 400 years before the American Revolution.
The ironical side is that the Black Death (albeit a bacterium) has a faint parallel with the economic disruptions currently arising from the coronavirus.
So , I suppose , the irony is that the consequences had scarce any relation to , or baring , on any agenda you people are currently pushing.
I’m not sure I’m pushing any agenda, and certainly not one relating to all of us being bombed back to a simpler, poorer life – where having a couple of well-watered acres might be rather more valuable than a flash apartment in Soho.
” labor …. had more power. ” Meant what , for example?
With the depopulation of much of rural Europe, and the breakdown of formerly fixed social relations, peasants had more power to exploit the fact that landowners needed labour, and were prepared to pay for it – Economics 101.
The equivalent police budgets of the time necessarily had to be slashed across the board.
Court orders were ignored. The peasants had the leverage to bodily throw the equivalent of social workers off their front porch. ” F*ck off , you nosey busy – body control freak ! ” was the common attitude of the day.
Not sure what all this means – other than to suggest that in time of extreme social disruption, formerly solid social and economic rules can and do break down. Hardly surprising.
” Resumes ? Background checks ? drug tests ? Nope , fuck that shit. I’ll take my labor elsewhere. ”
In a market economy you have that choice – not under a feudal one.
Maybe I misjudge you people — but I don’t think so.
Who are these “you people” – aliens from Mars?
I don’t think those are outcomes that you , or James , or Janos , or John Az , look forward to.
I certainly am too long into my allocated lifespan to start digging with a hoe and planting spuds and apple trees, but apart from that I think an orderly simplification of life would be a great thing for people, for social relations, for cities and the countryside, and for the planet.
But there would be a lot of pain to go through to get there – the elimination of cars would be an excellent start, but it’s totally unrealistic – change will have to be incremental, sustainable, and aiming to the max to avoid the rich staying rich and the poor getting screwed.
Not least because they ARE outcomes I look forward to. So there’s another irony.
If you wish to see a sudden and very painful economic disruption and revolution, you perhaps need to be careful for what you wish for. All I’m saying.
What we have already is feudalism — without the good parts.
No it isn’t – it’s a misuse (in a hyperbolic way) of a terms that described a specific and long-lasting military | economic | social system.
I don’t know how they do things in Australia , but in the United States , just you try getting a job as a street sweeper without being obliged to piss into a cup.
City councils (and others) can and do enforce drug tests for new and existing employees, but I expect it’s much less common in Australia.
Never mind the owners , the average serf here has less regard for the serf next door than for cattle.
I’ll check my privilege and advise I have never been a serf in any sense – even yours – but in general Australians get on pretty well with neighbours … part of our culture. Cattle are more valuable than people – they have monetary value as assets – whereas people come and go, and are only paid wages.
And if we called them slaves I suspect it would be an upgrade in real respect.
I won’t touch that one – but it sounds like you might think slavery had a positive side.
You are still legally tied to a landowner , except the landowner is lacking corporeal form or a ready identification.
Not sure what this means – most people are wage-earners or receive government benefits, but they aren’t legally tied to anyone.
How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.
I have no idea what this is referring to – I haven’t expressed any views about the desirability or otherwise of the sorts of futures that JHK is envisaging, or warning of.
As for the ” legally ” part , to say there are a thousand times more legal restrictions now , than then , is no exaggeration.
I agree that the mass of legislation is faintly ridiculous, but nothing even 1% as onerous as the restraints on freedom that real serfs endured.
How you can view this as some sort of improvement I can’t say , except to venture that this is the most superstitious age we have seen , and when it comes to religious quackery , you folks make witch hunters look like milquetoast amateurs.
See above – I didn’t make any comment or value judgement on the desirability of more laws.
James thinks the FBI ( the Stassi by another name ) and the CIA ( the KGB by another name ) can be reformed.
Good luck with that – but it isn’t a party-political issue – institutions of the state are pretty good at self-preservation, whether we’re talking about the US or anywhere else.
“…labour became scarcer, and therefore had more power. ” In other words a natural calamity , not any sort of political program or movement , had an unintended and unforeseen positive outcome.
Hardly – there were long and often bloody struggles right through the Middle Ages, and into the Enlightenment and then the industrial age. Events like the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381, and Watt Tyler.
I come from a long trade-union background (grandfather, father, etc) – and most of the privileges and conditions you and I enjoy today have resulted from long and arduous struggles by unionists against the mighty forces of capitalism.
Every reform was fought against viciously by powerful vested interests (and they still do it), but collective action (followed by parliamentary representation) meant that the workers have had huge wins among many losses.
The union history of the Democratic Party is a very proud one – and rightly so. Why do you think capital has spent the last to generations eviscerating the trade union movement? The insecurity and low pay of work today is what is making people into serfs again.
I don’t know it is in Australia, but the only significant unions here are public sector unions. Everybody working for town, city, state and the federal govt is in a union of some sort. There’s your bulk of union membership in the USA.
BRH
There’s your bulk of union membership in the USA.
Australia has seen a significant decline in union membership over the past 40 years – that’s for sure – but apart from strong public sector unions, we do still have some powerful-ish private sector unions: construction, mining, retail, transport, various trades, and so on.
Th Labor Party leadership (state and federal) still comes from the union movement mostly – or the lefty legal fraternity. The sense of the Labor Party having strong union ties seems much greater than for the Democratic Party (and its ties to minorities).
But I’m a fair way away to really make a decent comparison.
So why did Obama tax the corporations to the point that they off-shored their manufacturing to other non-union countries?
Obama was a Deep Stater, like the four before him.
The DeepState wants serfs. Both parties are fighting immigration limits so more serfs can come in. The lack of quality education is creating serfs from our kids.
The unions have shriveled because the Dem side of the Deep State has not supported them. No argument with you re: the GOP.
So why did Obama tax the corporations to the point that they off-shored their manufacturing to other non-union countries?
This is a myth – corporations were taking production to low-cost nations years (decades?) before 2008.
The unions have shriveled because the Dem side of the Deep State has not supported them. No argument with you re: the GOP.
This happened to some extent in Australia – we had two very good Labor prime ministers between 1983 and 1996 – they made deals with capital, to get some serious labour reforms through – and they were good.
The country was outrageously “modernised” in a bit more than a decade.
But it was definitely the fag-end of the old-fashioned cloth-cap unionism that we had for about a century.
The Unions joined the Capitalists. They’re for Open Borders now too. Back when it was real, it was understood that illegal immigrant lowered wages (as does legal immigration of course). They were seen as what they are: Scabs.
Two additions
Europe was becoming urbanized, improvements in agricultural practices obsoleted some of the serf positions and the moved to the city. The lack of sanitation in the critics were a direct cause of the Black Death’s effectiveness. Rats and fleas. So what did the Church tell them to do? Kill all the Satanic black cats, Smart!
The Black Death took away the Church’s omnipotence. People looked to other areas for inspiration, hence the Renaissance and Reformation. The cities started building, creating jobs, Masons, Guilds, all the precursors of labor movements. The Lords and Ladies and clergy have been losing influence ever since.
And the new Capitalist Aristocracy – far more vicious than the old – began to arise.
Wake up.
” Yes – your attempt to defend (even romanticise) a racist, xenophobic, white nativist world as a happy place that we have lost … does rather fall flat on its face. ”
Yes.
But why ?
Because it wouldn’t be a happy place for Blacks or transsexuals ?
Or , actually , because this regime doesn’t care any more for white nativists than it does for Blacks , transsexuals , Eskimos , or Baptists ?
” And to equate that racist, xenophobic white nativist world with ‘patriotic’ – quite a stretch. ”
Man hath no greater love than this ; Than that he gets his head blown off for the sake of family and neighbors.
Tearing down Confederate monuments does rather piss in the face of that whole idea , to be sure.
As , likewise , making out that George Armstrong Custer was some kind of asshole ,
instead of just an unlucky cavalry commander — a cavalry commander who met his fate carrying out a policy which , at the fundamental level , is no less popular among progressives today than it was in 1876.
Only the identity of the threatening or obstructionist aborigine has changed on that score.
KesaAnna
Custer WAS an asshole. Not that it is relevant but he graduated last in his class from Westpoint. Distinguished himself somewhat in the Civil war but probably because of how willingly he sent his soldiers into cannon fire.
His assholery has to do with how badly he hated Indians plus his reckless quest for glory leading him to lead a few hundred probably equally Indian hating soldiers to their death.
Man hath no greater love than this ; Than that he gets his head blown off for the sake of family and neighbors. Tearing down Confederate monuments does rather piss in the face of that whole idea , to be sure.
I might strongly disagree that going to war is a noble act … but I’ll let it pass.
In terms of tearing down Confederate statues, changing the names of stadiums and halls at universities, etc … I’m actually kind of in favour of leaving them there.
So that when Northern folk and others go happy-motoring on a road-trip, they can see what it was really like: that there were a whole bunch of Southerners who were willing to die in a ditch for a very ugly slave system.
You forget that once freed most of the northerners wanted them slaves shipped back to Africa and the ones that did go back did not do so well.
I ave no doubt that most African-Americans did better / do better in America than in Africa … but hardly the point. Their status and life chances as equal Americans is where the issues lie.
Unless you believe America is only for White people, and everyone else is just a guest or a pest.
https://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/
down 2k, =7%.
from JHK post today,
The big cities won’t do well if supply chains stay down for a month or longer. This ought to be self-evident.
Nobody knows yet just how deeply the effects of corona virus will cut through daily life in the weeks ahead.
The potential for disorder isn’t tiny, looking at the current situation, at least in terms of broken business relationships and the flow of vital goods.
We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. Be prepared for plenty of action when the hunkering ends and the hungering begins.
[is this TLE, st 1?]
DJIA down 2k today.
” We’ve apparently entered the hunkering-in-place stage of the crisis. ”
Because we can afford such frivolous luxury.
” Be prepared for plenty of action when ,,, the hungering begins. ”
People will go back to work to pay their bills. Control freak ideas not withstanding.
Unless all this American Revolution rhetoric is complete garbage , and you actually really do believe the average person is dumber than a cow ?
Kesa,
A prickly, but honest question.
How long will it take before our minority population accepts the meme that the white man developed the Coronavirus to keep them down? This has been suggested regarding guns, narcotics, and liquor.
Latest Hell Ship is being disembarked into the Port of Oakland. I’ve been there, of course. It is an industrial site, where containers are unloaded and old ships broken up for scrap. A good choice to contain and dissemble the ship’s compliment of passengers and crew…no terminal, no public transportation, and controllable.
I’m not being cute. A fair percentage of the residents of Oakland feel put-upon. It is just a matter of time.
and dissemble the ship’s compliment of passengers – elysian
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At risk of permanent banning may I point out that the words dissemble and disassemble have totally different meanings?
But your point is a good one. When I saw that giant ship docked at Oakland I thought to myself, the locals have GOT to be pissed.
Q,
I stand corrected. My only excuse is a public school education. And stupidity. And old age….
I do appreciate the correction.
Don’t let the apocalyptic corona virus distract from what’s really important, CFNers, and that is the Michigan Dem primary tomorrow.
And the head to head debate between Sanders and Biden. Subject: what’s a better pick me up, Geritol, or a straight shot of brandy. These two ancients will also be discussing the Glory Days back in ’70, when along with Allen Ginsburg and poet Robert Lowell, they tried to levitate the Pentagon. The goal was to end the Viet Nam War. “What a time that was, huh Bernie?” “Joe, these kids today, they just don’t know the greatness of our generation. May we live forever”.
CSN&Ys song “Wooden Ships” is playing in the background. Afterward the bongs are brought out.
Brh
Alan Ginsburg. pedo
” the Glory Days back in ’70, ”
The entire country lives full time in the Glory Days back in ’70.
It is perhaps so much the worse that the 1960’s – 1970’s were a pretty good time.
“…the greatness of our generation. ”
Considering that gas was fifty cents a gallon , what is incredible is how little they accomplished . How much they had , and how little they did with it.
Yes, very insightful, Kesa Anna.
Considering that gas was fifty cents a gallon , what is incredible is how little they accomplished . How much they had , and how little they did with it.
With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today – perhaps you don’t appreciate how drag and dull the 1960s mostly were. And I haven’t even mentioned the feminist movement, gay rights, and the environment movement.
Plus we ended the Vietnam War (aka the War of American Aggression). I think you oughta be grateful for what the boomers achieved!
The wars in South East Asia were ended by the Chinese, who stepped in in 1980. Much like we picked up for the French after their defeat in 1954. To Australia’s credit you gave us a hand in Viet Nam.
Brh
The plunge protection team rode the six flags Kingda Ka coaster today….. Big step up from the little tea-cup ride.
This corona virus is like nothing we’ve ever seen.
It kills a small percentage of the elderly and infirm people that it infects. Even some healthy people.
It’s like the flu with a different name, but a lot less mortality.
Wake me when the hysteria fades, or the markets finish with their ingenious excuse for a correction.
Perception becomes reality.
Read JHK’s perception today.
“It’s like the flu with a different name, but a lot less mortality.”
Avatar,
So Italy and China are destroying their economies for nothing?” Tee Hee. ‘Murica wins again….
Elysium lots,
Tee hee.. Italy has an economy?
Is it to destroy it?
Think
About
It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPCZVjZI6RY
comments there
Lisa Chapman
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@In Veritate Gloria he is from Atlantis …
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@strattuner grandma won’t be cooking with no food
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In Veritate Gloria
1 hour ago
https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-orders-total-lockdown-over-coronavirus/
The Bailouts Are Coming: https://youtu.be/NCpXiY–l64
Why do you suppose that Stalin didn’t kill the middle aged, married Russian, Jewish bloke who popped his daughter’s (Svetlana’s) cherry?
Stalin killed everyone else….
Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
Simon Sebag Montefiore
I don’t know, but that’s the second time you’ve asked us, Pucker, so I can see it’s playing on your mind. 🙂
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Here in the dying rust belt the “Bridge Card”, our state welfare EBT card, fills every month. The diversity takes the cash benefit out and then either does straw purchases for small restaurants at Costco, or purchases baby formula cases and returns them for cash, using the WIC and food stamp money to get cash. (*I have been on our charity funding boards a few times and get the sob stories) from the groups.
There are charity groups, mostly church related, who run kitchens for old people and kids on the weekends and for dinners, but they run out of money which is why the schools have to serve breakfast and lunch.
They do provide baby formula, but require the mom to bring a baby before they issue a can for a meal.
Cut that off and force them to use the money on children? You are going to get children starving.
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The school district I work in went to the “dinner” option 2 years ago. The kids get served a meal approximately 15-30 minutes before they are dismissed. This is on top of the breakfast and lunch they are also given, all on the taxpayer’s dime.
You’d be disgusted if you saw the percentage of food that ends up tossed in the garbage, as they are REQUIRED to take everything offered but do not have to eat it if they don’t want to. These ghetto rats learn at an early age that Uncle Sam (via whitey) will hand them everything they want/need in life and all they have to do to “earn” it is to hold out their hand.
These people are all celebrating our replacement but do not have the brains to realize that after all the people paying for it are gone that the supply also goes away (ie Rhodesia).
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These people are all celebrating our replacement but do not have the brains to realize that after all the people paying for it are gone that the supply also goes away (ie Rhodesia).
I don’t think any significant “replacement” is ever going to occur in the US – that’s just crazy talk.
However I have some sympathy for the bigger point. I worked for many years with Aboriginal people who were on very low incomes, and 100% of that came from government (through a mix of cash, and our equivalent of food stamps).
It really was appalling – how much we had to bend over backwards to help these people – even just to feed them properly – but, what can you do?
If you chop off such welfare payments, then you wind up (often) with much bigger problems – trouble on the streets, houses being robbed, cars of the rich and middle-class scored with keys, and much else.
Here in Australia we’ve taken the view (for right or wrong) that this commitment to never-ending welfare payments is a worthwhile investment.
Intractable problems need funding forever.
“If you chop off such welfare payments, then you wind up (often) with much bigger problems – trouble on the streets, houses being robbed, cars of the rich and middle-class scored with keys, and much else…”
Cargill,
We have all those problems now…WITH welfare….
We’ve raised most of our food for 35 years now, so this spring won’t be any different unless it looks like food shortages are appearing. We garden, and raise a lot of food 3 1/2 seasons in a 20×40 hoop house.
Have laying chickens, we usually get 25-30 CornishX for meat (they only take 8wks from day old chick to 6-7lb finish bird). Raise catfish in a couple of small ponds, fed by the run off our spring that also provides house water. Generally buy a couple of feeder pigs and slaughter in the fall, along with a beef. I built a walk-in cooler to process out meats in a summer kitchen off the back of the house garage.
We can, freeze (6 small chest freezers), root cellar, etc. Power is a 16kw solar setup, grid tied, but with battery backup. House is heated with wood, have 2 years worth cut/split/stacked in sheds all the time. Use propane for cooking/water heating, keep 2-3 years stocked.
Basically, the world could do whatever, and we’d be fine “quarantining at home” for a couple years.
Excellent!
Hey there, Tnandy, sounds really good.
I’d encourage you to do a thorough “HACCP” analysis of your situation to identify vulnerabilities. For instance, concerning your livestock: how dependent are you for feed from outside sources? Can you produce more of that yourself? You mention propane; are you prepared to do without? Are you (yet) growing grains and dry beans, and prepared to harvest and process by hand? Personally, I like my bread and beer.
My biggest concern is seeds: If we can no longer mail order seed stock, we’ll be toast. And don’t kid yourself about how easy it is to just ‘save the seeds’ from the produce you grow. Many of the plants we depend on can only be grown for seed, or for consumption, not both. Or else they require very careful handling during production to preserve cultivar purity.
Consider going into small scale seed production for your bioregion while it’s not yet a necessity. Best to ya’.
Heirloom seeds. Harvest them. Farm supply asked me if I was starting a greenhouse last week of January. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Fools that I casually warned back in January laughed. Not laughing now.
Your balance sheet is all that matters.
Vinnie,
Baker seed company. Cheap, reliable, all Heirloom. Best I’ve found.
And…the link;
https://www.rareseeds.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9ZzzBRCKARIsANwXaeLAas4Mug2HmK8h7axGywqW1msxwnVicsuHNHdHwWbmI3kveS5DhhcaApDmEALw_wcB
Do yourself a favor. It is the best site, with the most varietals I have found.
Quarantining at home = cocooning
Tnandy, sounds like a nice, sustainable life. I’ve been too busy to read comments of late. Finished converting my plowable garden ( done with about a 1954 Cub Cadet) into raised beds. I shoveled two loads of rock today between the beds and almost done. Sustainable, no carbon, and much easier going forward. Trying the French intensive-gardening route this year.
Had an Ag Professor at my place looking at my grapes last week. Ugh. CA planted too many new vines three years ago, wine consumption just dropped for the first year in a while, so he said don’t expect to make any money. I’m small enough not to get hurt; we will make wine with grapes we don’t sell. That won’t hurt, either.
As far as the markets, Jim, I hear no talk of hedging. I get the frackers going broke, but the commodities markets are functioning. Producers sell their product; they go SHORT. Everyone keeps saying the frackers and producers are going broke, but they hedge their product. I don’t need to look at the CBOT Commitment of Traders Report to know that the PRODUCERS are net short. That is what they do. Period. What are the carrying charges?
CONTANGO? Backwardation? Look it up.
A young, old trader that gave me a tour of the CBOT after they closed the observation room post 911 told me, “you buy stuff going up, and sell SHIT going down”. There are means to profit in a falling market.
Sisyphus was condemned to push that rock up the hill every day. Just remember, he never gave up. Be careful out there
Peace.
“Custer WAS an asshole.”
Maybe not particularly likeable as a person ?
“His assholery has to do with how badly he hated Indians plus his reckless quest for glory leading him to lead a few hundred probably equally Indian hating soldiers to their death. ”
His tactics at the Little Big Horn were textbook Indian – fighting cavalry tactics.
plain and simple.
Period .
End of story.
Cavalry was an offensive arm , but , an offensive arm with , best case scenario , one – third the firepower of infantry , and utterly negligible defensive capability.
The upshot of that is typically one of two radically different outcomes ;
— You never see a dead cavalryman.
— or it’s a nasty – looking slaughter.
As an offensive arm , Cavalry’s three primary tasks are ;
reconnaissance / scouting ,
pursuit of an ALREADY BROKEN enemy ,
and , finally , hitting the enemy WHERE HE ISN’T,
Frontal assaults against infantry determined and prepared to stand their ground and fight toe – to – toe ?
The USUAL , TYPICAL outcome of that is that the cavalry column gets slaughtered.
That only five companies of cavalry were lost in this case ?
That’s practically a good outcome !
The really notable thing about Custer’s Last Stand is it’s notoriety.
That is somewhat inexplicable.
There were many , many other cases , too numerous to list , where American or other European forces suffered much worse defeats , or outright slaughters , at the hands of American aborigines , but which have been near – completely forgotten.
Custer was cocky, just like the rest of the Eastern USA that had just gotten over a civil war and considered the Native Americans easy pickings for the expansion westward. Not so much. Custer was a total shock to the country back East and brought the “Indian Wars” to the forefront. It eventually led to the defeat and confinement of the Native Americans.
Remember one thing, if it was not America, the Indians would have been slaughtered, run over and forgotten about in history.
For example, The entire US Army being nearly wiped out twice in the early 1790s, in western Ohio, by Chief Little Turtles confederation of midwest Indian Tribes. Also The battle of Iswandlama in 1879, where a column of 1200 British soldiers in South Africa was exterminated by Zulus. It happened other times too — Americans got roughed up in some battles in the Philippines c1900. But after western armies came up with the Maxim machine gun and the bolt action rifle, it didn’t happen anymore.
Brh
Isandlwana, BRH
Yeah thanks. Somehow I knew I didn’t have that right.
Not really textbook. I have forgotten details but one arm of his force seeing what a shithole Custer had stepped into decided not to waste more men coming to his rescue and pulled back.
Custer’s wife went rampaging about getting her husband’s story glorified in the newspapers at the time.
Libby Custer lived into the 1930s, really spent her whole life advocating for her husbands reputation.
Like the Charge of the Light Brigade.
Custer was an asshole because he had a super-massive ego – he was a flaming narcissist.
I visited Little Big Horn almost 50 years ago. It was very pretty with rolling hills.
I live near Boston, not in it. But, if the Coronavirus does play out like the gloomier people are afraid of, I’m probably dead meat because in 2 months I’ll hit the 3/4 century mark. I’m fatalistic about it, so I’m not going too crazy trying to avoid it, but I am doing a few things to protect myself.
It’s obviously
important to have my immune system in as good a shape as possible, so I eat well, with plenty of fruits and vegetables and high-quality protein, such as fish and eggs. I also take garlic supplements and eat a lot of garlic in my foods (e.g., I had delicious pesto tonight).
The virus attacks the lungs. If you don’t have high lung capacity, when you get sick, the rest of your body can’t get enough oxygen to function properly, so your other organs start to fail. That’s why older, sedentary people die from the virus more than younger ones. I walk a few miles a day or go to the gym and work out, and I believe my lung capacity is good.
I also do the other obvious, sensible things such as washing my hands frequently, avoiding large crowds, shopping late at night, etc. People don’t need anti-bacterial soap – regular soap is ok, and masks don’t really protect you, although I suppose they help a little.
I’m in good shape for my age; I’m not running around in a panic like I see so many others do. The mortality rate of the virus for people age
70-79 is currently 8%. That’s roughly 11 to 1 in my favor, and the majority of that 8% have pre-existing conditions (which luckily for me I don’t have) or are generally in bad physical condition. So I feel confident I can ride out the virus. But who knows? Que sera, sera.
I think if you avoid public places with large crowds you’ll be ok Bill. That’s my plan, really my only plan.
Brh
If you look into it you’ll find that advocates for intermittent fasting avow that among other positive benefits it strengthens the immune system.
My physician neighbor asserts that there are masks that do protect the wearer. She uses them because of previous cancer treatment that pretty much wiped out her immune system.
Bill, get yourself to Florida any way you can, ASAP! You need to be sitting in hot sunny weather. Viruses don’t survive UV light. The Vit-D will also boost your immune system. And eat lots of oranges and berries.
Akmofo
Bill just got back from Sanibel Island, Florida.
That advice about the oranges is sound.
At one time Israel had a pretty good orange crop, not sure if you still do. Southern California once had acres and acres of orange groves which have since disappeared.
The citrus groves are still there. Some now ended as ornaments in people’s back yard. I’ve asked John earlier if he knew what’s the most prized food of the TaNaKh, he didn’t know to answer. Well, it’s fruits. Grapes, tomatoes, dates, figs, pomegranates, bananas, cucumbers, peppers, eggplants, melons, pineapples, apples, citrus, berries, etc. Fruit trees are sacred trees. They are the nectar of life. As well as raw honey and olive oil. Hebrew Biblical wisdom that too many are ignorant of.
You are blessed with a good climate, and you have made the desert bloom.
Godspeed to all of you.
Brh
Thanks, buddy. We had lots of help from you guys. Don’t think it’s not appreciated. We have long memory and we remember these things.
God bless America, the land of the free home of the brave!
Pre-Jewish Palestine was a food exporter. Arab farmers are very good too – and were even before modern methods.
No such thing as “Pre-Jewish Palestine”. During the British Palestine mandate all administrative and industrial institutions were Jewish. The Arabs arrived from Syria and Egypt as cheap labourers for Jewish businesses. Whatever was exported from British Palestine was exported by Jews and Jewish businesses. Even today, there’s not single item being exported abroad by the Jihadists occupying the Land of Israel.
Yes, much help from “us guys” and no gratitude whatsoever as per Sheldon Adelson being against the Wall but for Israel’s walls.
No such thing as “pre-Jewish Palestine.”
Yeah, right, the land was empty of all inhabitants. And then the export fallacy. Good grief, you can’t measure the well-being of a place by how much it exports, not totally.
Stack it up against the export of terrorism & turmoil to the entire world since then, for a really good comparison.
Go ahead, hit me with your peculiar Vatican/CIA deflection fix. Do you suck your toes at night, mofo?
” Viruses don’t survive UV light. The Vit-D will also boost your immune system. And eat lots of oranges and berries”
Mofo,
Thank God that the Middle East, China and the Middle East are always cloudy, damp, and foggy.
Middle East, China and Italy…sorry.
Them are large territories, Ely, with very varied climates:
Iran is in the mountains, cold snowy and overcast.
Lombardy is in northern Italy, cold snowy and overcast.
Wuhan is in northern China, cold snowy and overcast.
Israel is in center of the universe, hot and sunny and you should come and visit.
Cooking with garlic probably won’t help you.
Here’s a recipe. Crush garlic (that promotes the development of the allicin), let it stand in water a while or overnight. Add some juice so you can stand it, drink.
Don’t do on an empty stomach.
” With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today ”
Unfortunately for you , I have dug a ditch , but not with a thousand dollar backhoe , or an eight hundred dollar ditch witch , but with a shovel and a pick.
I have mowed a lawn , but not with a two hundred dollar lawn mower , or a two thousand dollar riding lawn mower , but with a sling.
As a 12 year old girl , I worked the largest paper route in Greensboro NC for near three years. And all I ever got for it was 30 dollars one Christmas. The rest went into the family pot , on the mere assumption of goodwill .
You see , I have lived and experienced Communism directly .
Did I mention I’m a petite female ?
And all of this happened , not in the East Germany where I spent the first ten years of my life , no , all of this transpired in America ?
I don’t think most of you people , Americans or Commonwealthers , would recognize hard work if it bit you on the ass.
” With hard work we built the fabulous world you live in today ”
While I was mowing the lawn with a sling , just about all of my neighbors were of the sort they could afford , and did have , riding lawn mowers.
Did any one of them ever offer to do for me in 20 minutes with their riding lawn mower what would take me 6 hours ?
No.
You mean the fabulous world you built for you .
” Plus we ended the Vietnam War ”
First , You are not American , nor do you even live here voluntarily , much less involuntarily.
So in no way would “we ” include you.
Unless maybe “we” would include , say , East Germans , Syrians , or Zambians ?
And it sure as fuck does not.
Secondly . how many years did you serve in prison on that account ?
Or your grievous financial losses on account of that were what ?
You wound up being labelled a subversive , and on account of that wound up in the trailer park subsisting on food stamps and hand – outs ?
Because I know that is what happens in such cases.
You wound up on a street corner , in a wheelchair , with a tin cup , begging alms , and that was your GI Bill , on account of that ?
You see , in the old days , that was the GI BIll ;
You got to sit on a street corner with your crutches , and your tin cup , dressed in your old regimental , and you got to brag ,
” I was with Harry ! At Agincourt ! ”
You got shot , and penury was your reward ?
If your answers to all of the above are , ” No ” ,
then I’m quite confident that you didn’t do a god damned thing but serve yourself.
EVERY genuine act of individual charity I ever saw ended in poverty for the actor , in ignominy for the actor , or in death for the actor , or in all three.
” (aka the War of American Aggression). ”
Lol , you picked the one of only two American wars that MIGHT HAVE , or COULD HAVE been noble.
South Vietnam was a country about the size of Maryland , but not one -tenth as affluent as Maryland ,
and fighting a regime for which the Soviet Union was writing blank checks.
You ( not that it included you , as noted above ) abandoned those people.
Many American wars , most American wars , could be called wars of aggression .
American support of South Vietnam , though , was basically charity.
— except that you ( And I suppose that would include you Commonwealthers ) didn’t really give a fuck about those people.
” (aka the War of American Aggression).” Lol , you picked the one of only two American wars that MIGHT HAVE , or COULD HAVE been noble.
Might I suggest you head to Ho Chi Minh City (the former Saigon), and head to the War Remnants Museum … might be enlightening.
And when I saw “we” I mean “we”. A very large number of Australians (of which I was one) demonstrated vigorously against Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War – and it’s a small part of my activist pat that I’m actually a little bit proud of. So there.
I don’t have to go to a museum.
I have spoken to South Vietnamese refugees.
They DID CARE about their country.
They DID NOT want to be annexed by North Vietnam.
You did abandon them.
You didn’t give a fuck about them .
so there.
I have spoken to South Vietnamese refugees. They DID CARE about their country. They DID NOT want to be annexed by North Vietnam. You did abandon them. You didn’t give a fuck about them .
Well – a couple of points by way of explanation:
1. The “South Vietnamese refugees” are a select group, and in general they were against the Viet Cong.
2. Everyone pretty-much cares about their country – I don’t know why you exclaim this IN CAPS.
3. Not sure it was an “annexation”, but see point (1).
4. We did not abandon them – following (a) the withdrawal of Australian and US forces, and (b) the fall of Saigon, thousands upon thousands of South Vietnamese fled to Australia by boat and plane, and they were almost instantly welcomed as citizens.
The best thing that happened to the Vietnamese people is that the war stopped.
KesaAnnA
You have your head up your ass.
Gee, you talked to a couple refugees, that pretty much wins your case.
Two or three people didn’t like something and that settles it for you.
We should have killed another two million VN, dropped another hundred tons of Agent Trump on them and bled out another 56,000 American soldiers to try to keep them happy.
>As a 12 year old girl , I worked the largest paper route in Greensboro NC for near three years. And all I ever got for it was 30 dollars one Christmas. The rest went into the family pot , on the mere assumption of goodwill. You see , I have lived and experienced Communism directly. Did I mention I’m a petite female ?
And all of this happened , not in the East Germany where I spent the first ten years of my life , no , all of this transpired in America ?
Okay you did it tough as a recent immigrant from Europe – I certainly admire what you did to get through, and perhaps prosper, but millions of others did it too – in the US, Canada, Australia, lots of places.
My family was very working class as well – I was a golf caddy at 12, working four hours for a dollar – but I don’t wear it on my sleeve to make an argument.
What would it meant to “really give a fuck about those people”? Isn’t really caring almost invariably an individual thing – between a giver and a receiver who know each other?
There is much wisdom in Stalin’s, “One death is a tragedy but ten thousand is just a statistic”.
Does anyone care about Americans? Maybe some Europeans in a general, altruistic way, the way that is mostly a White thing? As far as is possible to really give a fuck about a group, that is. I’m not forgetting my first point.
Does anyone care about Americans?
There are still 200 million white Americans, and no, none cares about us. We should act accordingly. That’s what Trump is all about, who, incidentally, you have turned your back on.
Brh
I turned my back on him? He turned his back on us. I’ll post the Laura Ingham interview later. She says as much right to his face.
Well gardeners, after reading the many comments on this over at ZeroHedge I strongly suggest you invest in fences, good motion-sensitive security lighting systems, and serious fire power. Quite a few people seem to be waiting till the weeding and watering is done, and then they’ll move in and help themselves. So much for that new found sense of community.
And switching gears a bit –
Right now people are caught up in trying to process this, showing the same kind of semi-nervous, often off-topic chatter people fall into when life gets weird, you really wish it would be a bad dream you could wake up from, and you know in your heart it isn’t, and you won’t.
But at some point….
the big facts about this virus will become knowable, if they haven’t already, and I suspect they have.
I mean the genetic facts. Like if this was definitively engineered or not. At some point people, survivors, will start seriously asking that question, and there will be people (not all of whom can be controlled) who are capable of answering it thru DNA analysis or whatever eggheads like that do.
And if the verdict is that it was bioengineered, whether accidentally released or intentionally released, ALL of these deaths are murders. They are all acts of war. War against an entire planet or species maybe, but war none the less.
The “older people” with “conditions” (people too easily written off if you ask me) were not going to die when they did, and being over 60 does not make you less valuable. Those deaths will have been just as untimely as any other person’s death if this was a bio-weapon. It wasn’t their time, they were pushed.
Dying from your lungs filling with fluid, drowning by way of your own immune response is a painful way to go. Maximized suffering, evil if intended. Not to mention the hospitalizations which leave behind a ruinous medical bill for the family.
As surely as pulling a trigger, sinking a knife, or defrauding a family of their lifetime earnings, this will have been mass murder and egregious theft. At some point people will wake up to that, and if fingers start being pointed, and the media (American or otherwise) ramps up – this will be war. A big one.
(or maybe, just the flu)
The human genetic adaptation that makes community immunity comes from one source-
Survivors.
We need to concentrate on learning how to kill these suckers- or they will eventually kill us.
The human genetic adaptation that makes community immunity comes from one source.
That’s quite wrong – a very wide range of pathogens (a) are not lethal, and (b) impart immunity on those who catch it once. This is the excellent argument against the anti-vaxxer fruit-loops who are endangering everyone – especially kids under eight.
Anti-vax is child abuse.
You are right about Vax. But community immunity is a society’s immunity response from exposure long term to certain”bugs”. It has nothing to do with vaccines. DNA modifications to create immunity.
Examples: European and American. Smallpox. Decimated Native America because they did not have community immunity. Measles. Decimated the native Hawaiians when American missionaries arrived.
I thought you knew MORE about this stuff, John…that post is so intellectually lazy (if not downright dishonest) —- and you know it.
Well gardeners, after reading the many comments on this over at ZeroHedge I strongly suggest you invest in fences, good motion-sensitive security lighting systems, and serious fire power. Quite a few people seem to be waiting till the weeding and watering is done, and then they’ll move in and help themselves. So much for that new found sense of community.
Yeah well – those people (and websites) who indulge in doomer porn, it seems to me, are wishing and willing for the apocalypse to happen. Especially if they feel prepped and invulnerable.
“As surely as pulling a trigger, sinking a knife, or defrauding a family of their lifetime earnings, this will have been mass murder and egregious theft”
Well, that didn’t take long.
Shit! Two cases just announced in my general area now, one to the north (very small town), one south. NOT urban areas by any stretch. I really thought it would stay urban for weeks yet, coastal. But if it’s already in Osceola WI, it’s going to be everywhere and soon.
You’re not that far from Minneapolis-St Paul, but still, if you have cases there, then everywhere could be rooned!
” Not really textbook. ”
yes , textbook.
” Remember one thing, if it was not America …. ”
I’m pretty sure Alexis De Tocqueville was correct ; there is / was NOTHING unusual or remarkable or particularly different about America except the fervor and sincerity of its Christianity.
You might as well argue with that dead Frenchman.
As I just said , I’m convinced he was absolutely correct about that.
The only thing appealing or redeeming about you is your Christianity , or residual Christianity .
In any other respect you are neither better , nor worse , but of indifferent concern , like unto pagans in Borneo.
Read a report today that says the viruses greatest enemy is higher temperatures and higher humidity, it said that sneeze and cough droplets cannot carry as far with that combination.
I would add that moister membranes in the respiratory passages allows adequate mucus to stave off invading “bugs”.
Geez. Irony again. A real killer virus will hit us one winter and spring and we will be praying for global warming.
Only slightly tongue in cheek.
Read a report today that says the viruses greatest enemy is higher temperatures and higher humidity,
It seems to be supported by the fact that the numbers in the Southern Hemisphere (and Africa) are much lower – we’re just coming out of summer, with flu season typically starting about May-June.
“It seems to be supported by the fact that the numbers in the Southern Hemisphere (and Africa) are much lower – we’re just coming out of summer, with flu season typically starting about May-June.”
Cargill,
Well, those results may be a product of testing, or a lack of it.
In the big flu a hundred years ago Eskimos were hit so hard that their was fear of their total extinction.
“that their was fear ”
Q,
Too Shay.
Too Shay. – ely
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dammit! ya got me.
Ahhhh, it’s like the good ol’ days of gloomin’ and doomin’ over at AlasBabylon, ROE, et al at Yahoo Groups – turn of millennium, peak oilers suggesting, speculating, arguing. and sharing stupid ideas for a shot at a plausible storyline for the world – the brilliant, the clueless, and all the rest of us trying to figure out what a dying global economy would soon show itself to look like and grasping at possible survival strategies.
Here again two decades late, is another tiny batch of recognizers bantering survival among, in this case, the sea of the clueless lot yapping about social nonsense, all apparently because James just can’t resist picking that scab again, the wound being the source of the infection that will ultimately subdue the beast.
So, Mr. Kunstler, are you finding all of the seemingly crazy and often contradictory occurrences around this wild CoV thing to be making perfect sense in a broader picture [doomer story, if you will]? It’s been a lonely vigil but still, there will be no coming in from the cold.
I am expecting the next couple of weeks to be rather terrifying. I’m fearing that “they” will be pushing the limit on the amount of heat to apply to the frog[z]. But then I haven’t forecast but a single event in my entire life.
~toktomi~
PS, JHK, I find your published point of view on TEOTWAWKI to be polyannaish and hardly the “cold shower” that some may have experienced. 🙂
What is the common denominator that has so many factors circling the drain at the same time? Overpopulation maybe? If so, maybe it is all in play to eliminate the problem. If so, it is Mother Nature or some group of humans trying to “fix” the problem?
I don’t know for sure – but there is no doubt that over-population is a biggie!
” I won’t touch that one – ”
— Except that you proceed to do just that.
” but it sounds like you might think slavery had a positive side. ”
It sounds like you have to think like an aristocrat , or fancy yourself as one , to think that slave or peasant is a dirty word.
Certainly , it does seem to me that it would be an improvement to be called frankly a slave.
That you , essentially , come into my house , which you do not care to live in , a fate you do not care to share , and presume to tell me then how I should live ,
I don’t think , I KNOW , that is condescending , contemptuous , completely lacking in any respect.
In comparison to that , calling me a peasant or a slave pales.
you’re like Janos with his master race crap , only a hell of a lot less honest about it.
Can you ever not get unpleasant? Does your every thought have to have a negative affect attached to it – a scream of rage or defiance?
Only when you are talking about George the Second or things in the remote past. No wonder you that stuff so much.
” but I don’t wear it on my sleeve to make an argument. ”
More like the problem is I refuse to allow you to elect yourself prosecutor.
I refuse to allow you to elect me defendant.
I refuse to adopt YOUR narrative.
Get used to it. Or fuck off.
It’s a fun forum – we’re having a long discussion because we don’t have real lives. I think you could calm down a bit and just enjoy it … why not?
Ah Carguile. You should have been born an English Lord of the 18th century.
I nearly was in the 17thC – of sorts – a direct ancestor was Sir Isaac Newton’s mom (Hannah Ayscough) – but the virginal genius didn’t have any offspring, so no other claim..
But I like Earl Carguile … has a ring to it!
What can you do with these darkies, “lesser breeds without the Law”, eh?
Tell them what Marx thought about Blacks, why don’t you?
Are you and Lady Alba still planning on coming to my Estate for a few days? We’ll get in some shooting – ducks, rabbits, deer, roos, whatever you like.
” So that when Northern folk and others go happy-motoring on a road-trip, they can see what it was really like: that there were a whole bunch of Southerners who were willing to die in a ditch for a very ugly slave system. ”
No uglier , I suspect , than your self – serving lieing narrative that the South Vietnamese didn’t really care anyway.
Her teeth are very white in the dim light – and pointed!
” I think you could calm down a bit and just enjoy it … why not? ”
hee hee hee ,
rather like gun control advocates switching to playing all nicey – nicey and saying , ” Gee , why don’t you folks disarm ?! ”
( While the gun control advocates arm up to the teeth. )
And , believe it or not , I really am snickering.
Do you really think I believe you ?
if so , that is rather comical.
East Asians produce strong, prosperous, centralized States with a Confucian Ethos, which means hierarchy of Age and a group culture. They will do this under either Capitalism or Communism, though Capitalism is at odds with it in a number of ways. Lots of “left over women” now in China. Westernized with careers, too good for most men or so they think. Not sure if that has hit Vietnam yet or not.
We were fighting for an alien culture for god knows what real reason. Now they are “Communist” which now simply means guided Capitalism – and that’s Fascism. Freedom? What does that mean to an East Asian? The freedom to work very hard and smoke a lot? To gamble at least once a month? To eat lots of meat, boiling the animal before it dies because it make it taste better?
They weren’t worth ONE White life. Just as Rasputin said the whole Balkans weren’t worth on Russian life.
Lots of “left-over women” now in China. Westernized with careers, too good for most men or so they think.
Interesting you say that – we have reasonably recently made friends with a youngish married couple who live in Shanghai. We had great fun with them, and they were really westernised in many way – right down to a take-the-piss sense of humour. Good fun.
But there was not much doubt that the wife – attractive, smart, educated, career-oriented – was a few rungs up the ladder from hubby – and he was pretty cool himself. He must have just made the cut.
Lol, In what sense did you & the missus “[have] great fun” with the “youngish married couple”, Cargill?
They weren’t worth ONE White life. Just as Rasputin said the whole Balkans weren’t worth on Russian life.
I probably come to this from a different perspective, but I am in violent agreement. There was nothing about the geopolitics of SE Asia generally (or Vietnam in particular) that required one kid to come home in a box to Podunk Indiana, or Kangaroo Flat, Australia.
Violent agreement? Are you shaking and spazzing? In what way do you find agreement with that statement? Being as you have made it perfectly clear that race means nothing to you, except that you like to mix it up as much as possible. So how can you agree at all with those two sentences? You mean you agree with isolationism irregardless of race or ethnicity.
“ Lots of “left over women” now in China. ”
Not the demographic reality…there’s millions of single child males, incels mostly, and the traditional feedstock for armed conflict. The sex ratio is skewed horribly. Once again, you are talking out of your arse.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21853400
That’s true too: They love to abort their girls. Being so much fewer probably adds to the entitlement of the girls. They say they want to get married but they don’t – despite countless suitors. You explain it if you can.
In any case, one set of facts doesn’t negate another. Reality is all embracing.
The sex ration is skewed horrible – in the women’s favor. How did you garble such a simple fact? You don’t work very well….
Google “left over women”. It’s not a phrase I made up. There’s even a documentary or two about it.
Collateral Damage – Case # 3454.
The University of Tasmania (Australia) has cut its 2020 courses by 75% (!), and the Vice Chancellor has come out and said they had far too high a reliance on Chinese students (well doh!).
Another predatory institution we will have the privilege to say night night to due to the virus fallout. The root of all evil can only be cut off by the Son of Man though. Therefore Wall Street pulses with hopes for a rally because their unsanitary lover teased them with the promise of extra goodies. And I don’t mean test kits. And he didn’t even get tested though he touched thousands. I can’t even deal with that right now. I’ll attempt to process it tomorrow.
U of Tasmania is a “Predatory Institution”?
Please…don’t apply your American standards to the sane part of the planet. Sure, ‘education’ as an ‘export’ – the foreign money comes in, like tourism – is a natural consequence of demand. It’s too bad it’s being disrupted by a global health issue, but that doesn’t make the U of T “predatory”. FFS.
..and the rest of that diatribe? What are you actually trying to SAY?
” Can you ever not get unpleasant? ”
Through – and – through projection I’m sure.
The only things Not unpleasant about your ilk was the architecture you didn’t build , the costumes ( which you borrowed from the old regime ) the swastika armbands ( you borrowed the swastika too ) and the goose step. ( which you also borrowed. )
it’s rather that I should be asking you ; can you ever not be unpleasant ?
” Does your every thought have to have a negative affect attached to it ? ”
The key word there is , “AFFECT ” , as you well know.
Because in every way except appearance it is rather the opposite.
Your every thought is somehow directed to passing the negative buck to another.
” a scream of rage or defiance? ”
If there is rage , it is yours .
The police are yours , or you would have them be yours.
And if your thirst for power and control is not motivated by something like rage ?
Then so much the worse , that you can contemplate fucking people over with a smile.
Hi Kesa
I don’t want to be too critical – but all of that is pretty-much incomprehensible …. would you like to think a lot more about how your reader is going to try and understand what you write, before you hit the Submit button?
We really can’t get inside your head and join up the dots … really we can’t.
Cargill…Kesha Anne’s style is an acquired taste. Stick with it…key thing is to overcome your natural habit as seeing every space as a pause – they’re not. Just “stream of conscious” read it.
Yes, someone has to hold the leash of the Police. I’d rather that hand be my White one and not a Brown or a Black one, or that of a White Globalist. What is strange about that?
I admit discrimination. People favor their own. Is the solution for Whites to join in the discrimination against themselves – and then pretend they’re not doing it? Or to admit it but then say that this will end it? Why? How? It will end the White Race – which is the Kalergi Plan that has been embraced by the Masters. Marxists, who supposedly hate them, serve them assiduously. See the posts of Carguile.
OMG – who’s going to help change his shitty diapers once fat bastard learns about this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Hmmm? I clicked on a news item that says two congressmen who met with Trump have put themselves into voluntary quarantine.
I took it as averring that fat bastard may have been exposed to the virus thereby.
You name calling is abhorrent as always, however,
You are right about CPAC. One guy who was there tested positive. Here is a Petrie dish that can be used to see how contagious this stuff is. He shook hands with folks directly who are now in voluntary isolation. Trump shook hands with folks now in isolation but not the source.
Now we wait.
I’m sure you would if the price was right. But really, I’m a nobody and I’ve been getting really good at social distancing. For some recent invites the excuse has been a lifesaver lol. You would think that the important people would be taking extreme caution since corona is so highly contagious.
You would think that the important people would be taking extreme caution since corona is so highly contagious.
But the guys who run the the country club believe they are invulnerable – they wear white shoes and white belts FFS.
Well there is a time and place for white. You’ve just associated white with invulnerability by the way. Interesting that in that situation you see the potential for sullying as a negative thing. I agree. And what you’re intending to tell me is that the country club members are only human too. I agree with you there as well.
If the price was right you are darn tooting I would. I’d dress up in scubba gear, use big hooks to peel his fecal ridden clothes off, After that I’d fire hose him down, then use lots of duct tape to fasten his brand spanking clean new depends. Part of the money I was paid I’d have a look a new automobile, the rest I don’t know – maybe a casket of gold coins.
Bullshit. You’d do it for free. Also bullshit – you’d pay to do it if it was within your means.
Janos, why are you wasting time posting silly taunts.
Why aren’t you doing your pedo thing over on the on the teeny websites?
Like this whole virus business ;
Even if it kills 500 million people —
— it will do so .
— And it will be the crisis of the week.
Next years historical footnote.
I’m not one of the regulars around here doing the fucking WEEKLY Chicken Little routine.
My attitude is more like ; ” Shit happens ”
or , ” Same shit. Different day. “
In other words it may as well be the flu. Except that it isn’t at all the flu. But at this point it might as well be because it appears that the general principle of this operation is that it is always the same shit, different day. Except of course when it isn’t. Too bad that the lines between the two states got pretty blurry before the difference was actually noticed. Life will go on though as it always does. But it dosn’t mean that world didn’t end, historical footnote or no.
Like I have said before , what was so disillusioning about the transition from East Germany to the United States was not how different they were.
But how there is scarce any difference except the cosmetic.
Tell me you fear losing automobiles , and air conditioning , and cheeseburgers .
And , believe it or not , I ‘ll have no trouble believing you.
but ply me not with hog wash about liberty , or the milk of human kindness.
Shortly after I came to America — this was in 6th grade — there was this kid in my school who they claimed was gay.
Was he gay ? Who the hell knows ?
Do you reckon a 12 year old would be an adequate , nuanced , fair and balanced judge of such a thing ? Hustler magazine not withstanding ?
Anyway , they made that kids life an utter hell.
The teachers knew it too , and looked the other way.
Many of those who tortured that kid for fun then , today , 40 years later , are the same people bashing homophobes .
And while I’m not a mind – reader , I actually doubt their feelings or cosmology has changed one iota in 40 years.
Only the targets of predation have changed.
People gloat , and not just in private either , but right there on prime time TV , about assaults , rapes , even murders in prison.
Now what would you reasonably guess are the circumstances of that ?
It’s the petty criminals assaulting , raping , and murdering the real scum ?
Or the other way around ?
So that people are gloating over some child support deadbeat becoming the next prey of some serial killer , via the facilitation of tax dollars ?
Your declaration of Independence is no less the cruel mockery of everything it supposedly represents than is the Communist Manifesto.
I would miss air conditioning and such.
but your freedom was never anything but a lie.
We were never equals , least of all in your eyes.
And we were never friends.
If you people lose the awesome powers that cheap petroleum gave you ,
I would be lieing if I said I fear an end to that.
And I’m not going to say I do.
Understood. But then what Master do you serve? I wouldn’t attempt to pretend that I won’t miss the modern world. Why wouldn’t I? Of course there is so much that is wrong with it. And yet, it allows today’s peasants to live like yesterday’s Kings and Queens. I mourn the end of Modernity. I don’t mourn the death of today’s Master though. But there is no guarantee that tomorrow’s Master will be any better. Instead there is much evidence that it will be much more cruel.
Yes Kesa, I call it the Law of the Preservation of Evil. Targets change is all.
But as ever you ruin it with your screeching. Satan is Rex Mundi as Christ himself said. Christ’s Kingdom is not here, not of this ruined world. So what did you expect?
” I don’t want to be too critical – but all of that is pretty-much incomprehensible …. would you like to think a lot more about how your reader is going to try and understand what you write, before you hit the Submit button? ”
Nah , like Softstarlight , I think it would be fun instead to wonder why genuine liberalism is incoherent to you , while you have not a bit of trouble comprehending some National Socialism mixed in with some vague Hinduism.
Anyway —
“…your reader … ”
I would guess , would be Janos .
That’s who I was quoting / addressing , after all .
You can’t even get that elementary part right ?
Anyway — “…your reader … ” I would guess , would be Janos .
That’s who I was quoting / addressing , after all . You can’t even get that elementary part right ?
I think most of us would still find this irrational and incomprehensible. Would you like to revise and re-submit? There’s a good girl.
Have you ever read Celine, Cargill? You seem like a literate guy, Comrade. Start with ‘Journey to the End of the Night’, then move on to ‘Death on the Installment Plan’. I suspect Kesa Anna is aware of Celine and that’s who she is emulating. The styles are similar.
Brh
I don’t really care whether she’s “emulating” Santa Claus, the Kamasutra, or even Celine Dion – it’s still effing gibberish! You do owe it to your potential readers to make some sense. Perhaps a troll indeed.
Some bored college kid, sitting in their dorm room in Podunk Indiana.
Lol, he’s a Koala so he doesn’t code. I hook up electrodes to him while he enjoys his eucalyptus leaf snacks. We’re reprogramming him. It’s a long drawn out process but it’s happening.
Nah , like Softstarlight , I think it would be fun instead to wonder why genuine liberalism is incoherent to you , while you have not a bit of trouble comprehending some National Socialism mixed in with some vague Hinduism.
I rest my case Y’Honour – she’s still talking total gobbledygook! If you wish to have a decent discussion Kesa – please write in comprehensible English … it would be nice.
But perhaps you’re just dreadful troll from Moscow – and I should ignore you altogether.
So that is what it all boils down to at the end of the day for you? If you can’t wrap your mind around it then it must be a nefarious Muscovite? I thought you were into diversity. So when diversity whacks you upside the noggin you want plain ole vanilla English. When are you going to get your story straight mate?
The only thing worse than a nefarious Muscovite…. is a nefarious Muscovite bed wetter. LOL
I am really disgusted. I mean, Himself is a daily joke, but his blithering at his CDC visit was beyond the pale.
What I want t know is how many f you Trump Cult Deadheads can, with a straight face, tell me that THAT display doesn’t give you any cause for concern?
It’s got beyond “letting Trump be Trump”. It was the quintessential display of every public flaw he has. Put a freaking fork in him.
Might as well relax Majella – the anti-Dem pro-Repubs on here will never ever discount their cult Dear Leader. Even if he’s gasping his last because he catches coronavirus.
We might as well move on to other topics – how about Super Rugby?
I don’t know, its Biden and Sanders who are moving about in the sea of feverish infected masses, not the president.
Countdown until Maj blames the Orange Man for spreading the Wuhan coronavirus.
Place your bets!
You’re so racist! 🙂
Bottom line!
To all the Trump haters.
The Democratic Party is failing, again, to come up with a candidate that is more palatable than Trump. HRC is better than either of the two remaining old reprobates. The DNC controls everything on the Left, good candidates do not stand a chance against the Old Guard. Corruption of the Old Guard has been shown over and over again, like what they did to Bernie in 2016.
As long as the Old Guard is in place, the Dems are suspect. If I was one of the progressives, I would try to destroy this group and create a new party.
Hmmm, AOC and the squad, Bernie, Corey, Kamala, Julian, when are you going to overthrow these people.
Countdown until Maj blames the Orange Man for spreading the Wuhan coronavirus. – Nightowl
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Actually it could happen. Trump’s been very blase about the C-Virus, shaking hands with hundreds while blowing off the Virus test and almost bragging about it.
Imagine if he became infected!
No need to…
“wpa_ccc
March 10, 2020 at 4:55 pm #
“The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus.” –John AZ
That is not their mission. It is the mission of CDC and AID and NIH.
Trump reduced funding for CDC and NIH (specifically the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases).
Trump eliminated the USAID program known as PREDICT which was designed to improve the “detection and discovery of zoonotic viruses with pandemic potential.”
Put the blame where it belongs. Trump has no vision and has not invested in protecting Americans from infectious diseases. Why should he? He thinks Covid-19 is a hoax, a Democratic attempt to get rid of him. It’s always all about him, yet he is always free of blame.
Now GOP members are self-quarantining themselves because of the Covid-19 “hoax” … why doesn’t Trump just get rid of Gaetz, Cruz, Meadows, and all the others who are hurting Trump by perpetuating the virus myth. Even Tucker Carlson of Fox News believes the Covid-19 virus hoax. /sarcasm off”
There it is, folks!
Can you imagine this guy in charge right now?
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/02/biden-gaffe-machine-running-list-joe-bidens-best-slip-ups/
He just might tell everybody to calm down and drink a couple of cold ones with some tacos.
Do you really need to link lunar far-right and deep-state websites. Surely there is a peer review process we could go through?
See that brawl that broke out at the Biden rally last night? What a freakshow that thing was? I know, I know, the only people who brawl at political rallies are yahoos who support the Preident. Ignore all other brawls.
Bernie bros are getting restive; they are sensing — rightly — the fix is in and they are most certainly gonna lose. Last night was just a warm up for the real violence to come. Ahahahahahah!
Brh
…. the real violence in a bloody drug fueled showdown in Milwaukee, where the Dems will show their true authoritarian face. The rage of young delusional lefties will be epic.
Carville said that Clyburn’s endorsement of Biden “literally saved the Democratic Party.” Gory Booger boards the Biden express. Yes, Bernie’s bagel is toast.
Missed the brawl. I’d like to see a really big one, at least dozens of people, maybe hundreds. I like the raw, the elemental.
I think you’ll see that at the Freak Show in Milwaukee, July, 2020., TS.
Expect the Trannies Jim mentions in the above blog to play a central role at the Dem National Convention.
Brh
I do like that Biden dared Trump to push ups or whatever. Now wouldn’t that be some real entertainment watching those two go at it as if it were Celebrity Deathmatch lol.
When someone has nothing constructive to say, they babble. That explains the entire Democratic debate process this year. Trump is going to have a field day.
JHK, you like to criticize Trump’s delivery incoherence, you haven’t heard anything yet if Biden gets in there. What a show that will be.
Linky?
I can’t find anything, since everything interesting on YouTube and social media is now algorithmically hidden or grabbled.
BRH
Again, there is more political distance between Sanders and Biden than between Biden and Trump. Moderate Dems are acknowledging the fact that Bernie does not stand a chance against Trump, this country will never be socialist in nature. Trump salivates at the possibility of running against Bernie.
Part of the Bernie crowd is violent so anything goes this year.
Coronas, that is.
The capitalist dogs have made China our real pharmacy and made thug companies rich. Massive illness here when the supply lines shut down. The order to manufacture our medicines here should already have been given, ending the staggering sellout of our nation’s health to the ethnocentric Chinks, and others.
Tell me coyote doesn’t wait. Went over to a place called Madera Canyon today, took a walk, got some air. Lo and behold, four Chinee tourists are walking towards me and their vehicle. Anti social distancing was immediately put into play.
How pathetic that is. Are you a total one-off, or is all your family that way?
I refuse to fustigate froghoppers.
Unfortunately, relocating manufacturing isn’t nearly that easy, especially from the capitalist dogs’ point of view. It’s not the Chinese rank and file’s fault, though. They’re caught in the same vise that we are. Look to DC, NYC, London, and Tel Aviv to assess blame. That’s where it lies.
Right, tough issues to solve considering the political and business interests. Will we ever get our hands on the handle of that vise? Even so, probably need a ‘cheater bar’.
relocating manufacturing–trillions of dollars in costs to build.
The factories will be robotic and jobs for humans wont be offered.
Chinks :-). I agree, I also find it completely unbelievable and quite frankly unforgivable that our leaders allowed such critical infrastructure to be shipped overseas. It really should be considered a scandal of the most insidious kind and there should be jail time for the perps. That is one thing the Chinks get right. They will jail and even execute business people who work against the Nation and the People. If only we had that sort of loyalty here.
Exactly. The central issue with our rapacious capitalism is that we don’t have that nationalist core.
USA did when it was 80-90% White, with most of the minority being Blacks who were well behaved.
Back then, Jews were the most criminal element.
When Jews got power in media, they blamed the mafia [talians]
Oh and by the way. I think you completely did the right thing by distancing yourself from the potential vectors. If I were there I would have also sprayed Lysol at them for a little extra touch of protection.
Lysol, huh. If the strains get more virulent, Lysol could become weapons real fast.
four Chinee tourists – tucson
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A report from the C-Virus trenches:
My son and his squeeze returned from Paris last night. It involved 3 airports: Paris, Toronto and Newark. Thom said everything appeared quite normal. The only occasional persons wearing masks were Asian (black hair and slanted eyes).
The last leg (Toronto to Newark) was supposed to arrive at 6:05 PM. That flight was cancelled and the replacement flight arrived at 8:05. No reason was given by Air Canada for the flight cancellation. Hmm? Wonder why?
If the same people were on the replacement flight, probably not virus related? Could be just a business decision, combining passengers and disregarding crowding? That wouldn’t surprise me.
At times like these, it does make you wonder what the authorities are up to.
Maybe the Asians were detained at Toronto?
Ok, let’s lighten up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYIi4by8-y8
Q as a female, 6:00, Benr at 02:59, Janos at 01:58, Me at 04:10, Cargills daughter at 05:04, Backrow at 07:10
“Wouldn’t you like to know, weatherboy?”
LoL!!!
Jimmy Dore segment: Biden has dementia.
Much hilarity — in a sad way of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjRh9nNflTc
As Jimmy notes, everyone knows Trump will eviscerate Biden in a debate, so what is the real plan?
The smell of cabbage wafts through the room as cackling and a nagging dry cough are heard somewhere in the distance …
Make him and all candidates take the test. This is getting ridiculous. We need healthy minds in the White House – or just admit they are simply figureheads.
China says its getting back to work now that Xi single handedly stopped the new cold virus. Funny though, because some reports that happened to somehow make it out of the mainland said that many people are still scared to go back to work and those that do always wear face masks and constantly have to sanitize themselves. So what’s up with that if true? Probably, the virus is still lurking and their numbers have always been a lie. Once they get going in a serious reboot I bet the infections explode again. It’s simply the nature of cold viruses. They never really go away. And I’m super sorry but the weather really doesn’t matter all that much.
SSL.
Yeah, the weather seems to create the seasonality effect of all the viruses. The problem though is that we do not have a clue why.
The message of “Contagion” is that we are powerless in front of a virus attack, our data base is almost non-existent and the only two things that prevents annihilation is seasonality or creation of a vaccine. One of the technical advisors for “Contagion” stated that the purpose for the movie’s release was a warning to world governments of what viruses are capable of. Then we hear from the virologist in Texas that a vaccine for SARS 1 was very close to completion and funding was cut off when the virus abated. It never ceases to amaze me, the stupidity of government and politics.
Polio reached into the White House, chicken pox becomes shingles as it never goes away. We do not have a single weapon, like antibiotics that kills viruses. Society basically ignores chicken pox, or flu because we do not have a clue about killing the virus. Vaccines are the only deterrent and all they do is point our own immune system to do the killing.
If it wasn’t for seasonality, the flu would be culling out big chunks of humanity every year. Vaccines help, as long as they get the right projected varieties. When they don’t, the mortality rate skyrockets. When the virus Is novel, anything goes, like now.
Yes, you are right that many, most? viruses follow a seasonal pattern. If you look at the flu you will see that there is still flu in the summer but the frequency and scope does shrink back compared to fall, winter, and spring. There certainly could be a summer dip in the number of infections with this one. But the other thing with this one is it is brand new and no one on Earth has immunity so really the only place for it to go is up in terms of numbers unless a firebreak can be created. I should have said that I’m sorry but weather may only slow the spread of the virus.
When the virus Is novel, anything goes – JohnAZ
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Where does this term “novel” Corona Virus come from? What does it mean? Isn’t every new virus, by definition, “novel?”
Have you seen Biden’s ideas for cabinet positions.
Obama administration reborn. Kerry, Rice,Jamie Dimon, Warren, etc.
I guess if you thought Obama’s crew was effective, you will love Biden.
It does show, however, the lack of innovation and better ideas that characterizes the Democratic Party.
The Deep State will deepen with old school folks if he wins. With Kerry, the globalists will rejoice.
Yes, and expect Maoist Van Jones to get a top cabinet post.
Wife and sister in law just came back from grocery shopping, report no panic buying, in fact looked at me kinda funny for asking. Hand sanitizer and lysol virus wipes must have been well stocked because they brought home a good amount of it. Plenty of steaks, shrimp, cold cuts, beer and chops … essentials for surviving the apocalypse.
Brh
You must live in a really nice area. I see dilapidated old buildings with trees growing in and out of them, an occasional abandoned house, and lots of meth heads riding bikes when I have to go to the city to go shopping or to appointments or whatev. Stores here are limiting purchases on items. And yet my state is like a Saudi Arabia when it comes to oil production. I feel like something was taken from me. Not that you shouldn’t have your steaks and shrimp and cold cuts and beer and chops and all. It’s just weird how different places or so very different within the same country.
Maoist Van Jones
Something that has puzzled me for a long time.
All these revolutionaries, what motivates them? Why do the Bernie’s of the world do what they do and believe what they believe? History shows, over and over, that revolutions do not accomplish much, and that the revolutionaries are usually dealt with after the crisis has passed.
Is this just Fourth Turning stuff? Are humans only happy when spreading discord? Would Bernie in the USSR been a Soviet revolutionary? Maybe some people need to sow discord just to be happy.
If so, maybe they need to be locked up and the key thrown away.
you know why he is ‘Van?’
No, do tell. You know so many interesting stories and facts about people.
And remember his famous words during the 2008 campaign:
“….we have to drop the radical pose to achieve the radical ends.”
Same here, BRH, Business as usual. Gasoline and no. 2 fuel oil are cheap. Yesterday was a no. 10 . I almost took out the scooter. Almost.
Take a ride down this way some afternoon, RIP. 45 min., straight down US10. I don’t think this warm spell will last it’s still winter after all.
Did Vans group start the 1994 Los Angeles riot?
Panic buying for at least the last 10 days at Costco…’900 people waiting outside’ ‘700 an hour being checked out’.
Panic buying for at least the last 10 days at Costco – malth
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My wife went to Costco today. It was pretty normal but STILL out of sanitizers and masks………….. but she WAS able to pick up for me a 48-pack of size 312 hearing aids for the amazingly low price of $8.29. A single 8-pack at Rite Aid would cost more than that.
I went to Costco today because my husband wanted to make sure we had plenty of Starbucks French Roast K-Cups on hand. The store wasn’t particularly busy, but there was not a roll of toilet paper to be found. I didn’t need any, but was curious what strategies are needed to obtain TP. 1. Call at 9:00 am to see if any arrived at store. 2. If yes, be at store at 9:45 (they open at 10:00) to get toilet paper.
Jen in Salt Lake
@jen
We had to settle for a lesser brand 2 ply from smart and final who still had some tp on the shelves.
Cargill and others that might want to chime in and I don’t want to bore and belabor but what the hell.
So what are the common stresses that organisms face? Can these stresses affect germline DNA? Can environmental stresses affect the rate of mutation and types of mutation that occur? What are the molecular mechanisms involved?
Maybe have a gander at this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3319127/
It’s known that part and parcel of the human genome are various types of retroviral DNA. Over the long ages these managed to incorporate themselves via ancient infection into germline DNA and as such are passed from generation to generation. IOW retroviral DNA is part of our evolutionary inheritance. What part did this play in human development, and other species for that matter, over these millions of years?
One area of modern-day study is whether this retroviral DNA plays a role in normal life processes. Does it also play a role in disease? Some scientists say that there’s little evidence of a role in Human Endogenous Retroviruses (HERV) in disease. Other scientists say not so fast. What if HERV gene expression kills off people bearing certain genetic characteristics, or prevents their reproduction, then they may play a role in human evolution. This is one example of evolutionary science that isn’t so settled.
Here’s a starter on this topic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC138943/
There’s another possible mechanism in evolution: hybridization.
One question I saw raised was whether spiral inner-ear structure comes via spirochete DNA in germline DNA via hybridization.
Shutting down research for political reasons ie for fear of ceding ground never struck me as very smart, whether the perceived adversary was “creationist” or in the climate realm. The issue stops being knowledge ie what’s real and what isn’t and becomes an issue of power, who calls the shots.
There’s a lot of stuff out there to read. You can go to mags like New Scientist, Science News, Scientific American, or you can look on-line.
You might to have a peak at material on epigenetics, a field that was new not so long ago.
I look online at realclearscience. Sometimes they have good articles.
Viruses are vectors for genetic change. IOW, our ability to adapt may be tied to viral invasions.
Some disease control is being done by introducing DNA changes into cells. How? Viral vectors.
Ironic, viral killers may be partially responsible for human adaptability.
There is a body of fairly recent scientific research that suggests that – from the very beginning of multicellular life – viruses have played a critical role in evolution, through their impact on RNA/DNA – some of this remains controversial and far from settled, but it’s certainly part of the discussion.
Even the evolution of placental mammals such as humans (initially from reptiles, but also via marsupials) has been connected to the role of viruses in the modification of genetic code.
All of this is worth discussion – but don’t mix it up with Creationism, and some notion that evolution isn’t settled … it is and has been for a very long time … apart from inside the minds of the enfeebled.
According to Dr. Shira Doron, an infectious disease and epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, we are entering the second phase of the Coronavirus epidemic.
The first stage is containment, where each person infected is traced back to all contacts and travels to try to limit the spread. According to the doctor, containment eventually fails as the disease spreads. This is evidenced when the number of community spread cases starts to increase, cases that have no epidemiological significance ie, no apparent source.
At this point, the health services shift to Mitigation. This is defined as emphasizing proper social distancing. No meetings, little travel, avoid close quarters, encourage cocooning, no large gatherings, stay 3 feet apart, etc. Countries where the epidemic is large are already in mitigation. Sports, tourism, air travel are going to be clobbered by mitigation. The doctor said that Containment will probably be discontinued as the disease spreads and becomes less traceable.
Basically a shift from individual control efforts to group behavior control efforts. It will have an enormous impact on the economy everywhere.
I believe Trump has a group working hard to keep this in Containment mode to lessen the impact on the economy. This has probably been a futile effort. Emergencies and politics do not mix well. Wait until this gets into the homeless on the west coast and can no longer be suppressed by the media. Newsome is toast. Trump may be toast. Heck, the Deep State May be toast as people find out how worthless they are.
This has happened before.
Italy has now locked down the entire country and suspended mortgage payments. Mitigation to the max.
I am missing something. Where are the dead bodies? 3000 world wide and holding. Three days worth of auto death on a global biases. Who cares?
Yeah, what has everyone got the hereby jeebies over this strain? Are we not being told something?
Did you know that in the flu seasons 2017-2018 and 2018-2019,. 161,000 Americans died from the flu. This is according to CDC figures. Now, who gave a shit about that?
Now, who gave a shit about that? – Patriot
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The families and friends of the dead………. the rest of us, not so much.
Most vulnerable are the elderly, as well as people with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, high blood pressure and cancer, according to an article in The Scientist, a magazine for people in the life sciences field. As Lisa Gralinski, a virologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in the article: “If you’re over 50 or 60 and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.”
According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying. Of course the same percentage probably occurs with any of those folks who get “conventional flu”
Check this AARP article out:https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html
During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States8. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza9,10. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019.
Our estimates of hospitalizations and mortality associated with the 2018–2019 influenza season continue to demonstrate how serious influenza virus infection can be. We estimate, overall, there were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season. More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ?65 years. Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection. An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake11.
25 deaths since the count started late in January. How many Americans have died from conventional flu since January 21st, 2020? How many Americans have been hit crossing the street since that date?
Good point, fear of unknown is also good press ratings, but one of the senior doctors I worked with stated the flu is rough this year and we are in the second wave, but also in my former industrial city in western new York, a couple weekends ago, we had 15 drug overdoses needing ICU care, and 6 died.
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus-flu-influenza-new-york-1.42675678
Thing is Patriot, if you get sick, how do you know if you got the flu, or corona virus? Symptons must be the same.
The only difference I have heard is that 19 attacks the lower lungs much quicker. I would expect a very deep initial cough.
Patriot
The fear is being induced by what I call the Jaws effect.
Da da, da da, da da!
The fear of attack from the unknown, from unseen forces.
Has anyone but me noticed that Trump pronounces the word “industry” as ‘inDUStry’? I say ‘INdustry’. How do you (fellow commenters) pronounce it? And don’t say “Who gives a shit?” How about you Brits, Green Alba?
INdustry
The DOW is on pace to close with a gain of 1100 + pts. Maybe I’ll recover half the small fortune I lost yesterday.
If you had given it to me, I would have cashed out, buried it and it would still be here.
What’s his problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdSQx77PDhA
Exhaustion, maybe? He better watch out.
Tired and worn out from Democratic assaults. He’s taken more of a beating than Chuck Wepner did against Ali in ’75.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPDsE080kM
The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus. The Deep State in the US is so busy snipping at each other, that they do not provide any leadership at all.
We are in a new world, where governments are turning worthless.
What to do?
We are in a new world, where governments are turning worthless.
Seems to me we are rather in a world where a significant number of people (probably just the noisy minority that post on forums) have lost all faith, trust, and their moral compass.
I don’t think government is worthless, and nor is it useful to accuse all government agencies of being the “Deep State” – it deprives the term of any meaning at all.
Personally I think the real deep-state manipulators are powerful people like the Koch Brothers, conservative movements like ALEC, Republican states that suppress minority voters, and of course the Illuminati.
And if government is so “worthless” why do conservatives devote billions of dollars to maintaining power in government? They must think it’s worth it. Personally I don’t think there is a huge difference between the two major parties, but it’s entertaining to watch the food fight.
Worldwide, there were 116,119 COVID-19 cases and 4,087 deaths as of Tuesday morning, according to data published by the Johns Hopkins.
4,087 divided by 116,119 equals a mortality rate of 3.5%
Doesn’t seem to matter how high the number of infections and how many deaths result from infection, the Coronavirus is consistently 35 times as deadly as the flu virus, which has a mortality rate of 0.1%.
I’m just amazed at how callous some are to act as if this BRAND NEW virus that IS JUST BEGINNING to spread around the world is no big deal because like only several thousands have died and there are all of these deaths that happen because of flu so these deaths over here are no big deal now. In fact some say, who cares? It’s just so cold and heartless it actually hurts to read it all and it is everywhere online. I mean those just several thousand people were also parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, friends. God forbid the stock market fall because of the virus. I wish I could throw the stock market over the cliff so ya’ll could never find it again. You know I can just barely take it anymore with minimizing it all. Please let me know why Gov. Cuomo called in the National Guard to NY? I guess he is just doing that to get attention or something. And really we’re supposed to trust the data from China? I mean I feel like it really is the Twilight Zone.
The Economy always has to be growing or it will just collapse. What a stupid way to run an economy or to live. As if the Planet is infinite or as if sometimes (like now), we have to sit still and chill.
The Economy always has to be growing or it will just collapse. What a stupid way to run an economy or to live. As if the Planet is infinite or as if sometimes (like now), we have to sit still and chill. – Janos
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You have raised a point that has bothered me for the past 50 years. It is not necessarily that the Economy always has to be growing or it will collapse but rather the economy must always be growing or the Stock Market will collapse.
It seems obvious that a planet with 7.5 billion people would eventually run out of the resources necessary to maintain life as we currently know it. We need a vastly reduced total population and then a rest of the earth and its soil for a few thousand years to hopefully restore itself. That’s why I secretly have been rooting for a die off of 14 of every 15 people currently alive, leaving just .5 billion (i.e. 500,000,000). What better time than this C-Virus? And somehow those lucky 500 million must live in a steady state of near zero economic growth (sit still and chill, as you put it).
Among the surviving 500 million, of course, would be my kids and grand kids. 😉
“You have raised a point that has bothered me for the past 50 years. It is not necessarily that the Economy always has to be growing …”
Q,
Permit me. It is important for the economy to be growing. A growing economy connotes an inflation of the money supply. The inflation of the money supply allows the (mandated/hoped for) 2% inflation to be found insensible…not considered onerous. The 2% rate of inflation, chews up the national debt and allows the government to pay it off with cheaper money…Over 20 or 30 years, the inflation will halve the debt, considering continual growth (think the magic of compound interest)…and this without paying a penny towards the principal.
Consider what happened between 1946 and 1970. The National debt in ’46 was over 110% GDP (as I recall), by 1970, it was in the low 30’s.
Hence the 2% inflation target.
I surprised and gratified. I thought you were so close to the whole thing that you couldn’t see the wood because of the trees as the saying goes. Glad you can see over your own fence. Within the stasis, there could still be new projects, products, and fortunes to be made, but always in accordance with the Reality of the Situation. Thus it more important than ever that people feel secure and don’t have to unduly strive just for mere survival. Let them strive and be extraordinary in other ways….
The Twilight Zone:
“It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge.”
How appropriate.
I love the Twilight Zone. I figured one day life may feel like an episode. You just never know which one it will be. What if the virus made us turn into the pig face people?!
Too late for some…
World-wide averages don’t mean much – since countries vary wildly, and there is the reliability factor too.
Death rates in Italy stay around 6%, while other parts of Western Europe are much lower (1%) – they don’t know if Italy’s figures are not as accurate, or the more scary scenario, they are most accurate.
One theory is that Italy was hit hard first, an since then other countries have watched, and implement containment regimes that didn’t ever happen in Italy at the start (which isn’t Italy’s “fault” – they just didn’t know what they were dealing with).
Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan. So the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases will be higher. Also a very family-oriented society, so a high rate of inter-generational infection.
People here are worrying who have their grandparents looking after their kids while they work. Nobody wants to think they’ve killed Grandma, especially if they stand to inherit Grandma’s house, perhaps. 🙂
It was mentioned tonight how unbelievably low the testing rate is in the US compared to other comparable countries – which means the number of infected people is probably way higher than they think.
The Italian government announced more than 10,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 and 631 deaths as of Tuesday evening. There were fewer new cases reported than in previous days, but the new figures show the largest single daily jump in deaths.
Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan
Stickler for detains that you are, you mean as a percent of total population.
malthuss
I am not a stickler for insulting the readership by thinking that any rational, literate and numerate member of it would need to be told.
If you’re talking about death rates in different countries what possible sense would it make to cite total deaths?
Unless you think a hypothetical country of a 100 million souls losing 1,999,900 of them is somehow the same as an equally hypothetical country of 2 million souls losing the same.
I know you like to attack my posts for the sake of it, malthuss, but get a grip, maybe.
Only ‘rates’ was meant to be in italics there.
The word ‘ratio’ is a bit of a giveaway too.
I believe there are probably like 35,000 cases in the US right now truthfully. Some epidemiologist believe Iran has like two million cases!
It’s impossible to put a figure on it if you’re not testing. The UK has managed the containment phase better, as it’s done much more testing, which makes it possible to trace people’s contacts. It therefore knows what the pattern of infection is (small numbers in various areas, unlike the Italian situation).
But we’ll soon be out of the containment phase (although containment will still carry on) and into the delay phase, which, in the case of the UK, is an attempt to push back the peak into the summer months when the NHS isn’t already struggling with the burden of normal winter illnesses.
Other healthcare systems have a lower bed occupancy rate because hospitals are basically competing with one another. The NHS runs a tighter ship, which is a problem in a situation like this. Even in Italy Lombardy has run out of beds. They’ve got people in corridors attached to respirators. At least they’ve got the spare respirators, for now, but they’re already moving patients out of the region for treatment.
In the US there will be more beds and respirators, but more people will be financially ruined and some may wish they’d just died… Swings and roundabouts.
That’s a irresponsible, fear based statement about the US case amount,. Based on NOTHING except what, your “female” intuition?
“That’s a irresponsible, fear based statement”
And that’s an irrational, personal-grudge-based statement.
I have sympathy regarding your predicament, but no fear. I don’t live there. 🙂
Nothing to do with intuition and everything to do with logic. Try some – it costs nothing but the metabolism of a little glucose for the brain.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/09/17/national/number-women-japan-aged-least-65-years-old-tops-20-million-first-time/
Japan has 25 million people past 70 years of age.
China? 100 million?
India, same?
Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan.??
“Italy also has the oldest population anywhere in the world after Japan.??”
YES.
A good question?
What would happen if someone in ultimate authority stood up today and said-
It is only the flu, resume your normal routines and we will just go on with business.
Would anything change? Would there be any difference from last year?
Next question then is-
Who blew the alarm on this to blow it out of proportion and why?
Look at Italy’s death rate and serious critical rate. Also note that of the world’s closed or resolved cases, the death rate is actually 6%.
China’s resolved cases now outnumber new cases.
Look for a graph showing death rate vs. age group. The rate is .02% up to age 40, .04% to fifty, then increasing to 8% over 70 and 13% over 80.
Any one over 60 is advised to stay home as much as possible until the community spread abates.
Thank you John
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/08/oh-sht-26-million-already-infected-14000-already-dead/
Here’s the opposite pov, friend. Go to barnhard.biz for the link she mentions. Tell us what you think. I frankly don’t know on this one.
From the About Page in that website Janos:
On April 3, ARSH 2011, after seeing Sen. Lindsey Graham advocate for Sharia Law and the punishing of American citizens who “disrespected” the islamic political system and its manifesto, the koran, I rebutted Graham’s remarks and then burned a koran – bookmarked with raw bacon – and concluded by announcing my address and inviting all musloid and/or FEDGOV comers to come and get a piece of me.
Yep – definitely someone whose POV on everything is something I would always trust for ever and ever. Amen.
I was particularly taken by the raw-bacon bookmarks. Class.
But you are so down to Earth surely you get the bacon bookmarks? You better not start chewing on em. Their bookmarks after all so they are real classy, if not a bit greasy. How better to season that boring book you are reading lol?
Yes, we will use trained European Boars in full armor against them when the Time comes; when the Stars are Right….
She may be right but its Chris Martenson who has a background in immunology or something like that.
off topic..today I learned Chris Wallace is son of ‘Im not White’ Mike Wallace. [see his interview with Morgan Freeman for that .
The flu is definitely a problem and I don’t want to minimize it. Flu has been something we have been exposed to for a long time. The reason I personally am so worked up about this new virus is because we are all susceptible to it and no one has any immunity. That is very much not the same with influenza. So to me this new virus represents a big unknown. There is so much doctors still don’t know, but we do know its very contagious. I listen to Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity as well and his knowledge and insight into this is amazing as he has been following the entire pandemic. He is very calm and into planning and preparing but he thinks we are in trouble with this one. The death rate is much much higher than flu. But it will take time before we see millions of cases. It’s only been in the human world (that we know of) for three months are so. So either way this will definitely be a big story in history.
“Look at Italy’s death rate and serious critical rate. ”
As I said above, they have a much higher elderly population than anywhere else except Japan. So a higher death rate is to be expected.
No they dont.
China
India
USA
Well we are supposed to take care of our elders so I’m glad that children appear to be mostly spared so far but I’m not ready to throw grandma off the train either. I feel like I’m always hearing that its mainly just the elderly and those with existing conditions that get most ill. As if that is ok. And also, that’s what the data says now but trends can change as the virus mutates.
malthuss
https://www.prb.org/which-country-has-the-oldest-population/
“Japan, Italy, and Germany top the list of the world’s oldest countries—if the data are based on the share of the population ages 65 and older.”
I generally check things if I’m about to contradict someone – clearly not a habit of yours.
Japan has 126 million people and has more old people than India and China?
If so, color me surprised.
I meant how many old in Japan and China?
malthuss, I don’t know why you’re continuing to be dim about this, but it’s not my job to sort out your problem. I responded to you at reasonable length at 6.21 your time and consider my obligations fulfilled on the matter.
I’m colouring you something else, for the moment.
Maybe it’s time for a trip to Costco to refresh your mind. 🙂
Sounds like the difference between percentage and absolute numbers. On this one, the absolute number is the more pertinent number. Sounds like Italians really bought into careerism and feminism and are a dying society.
As larger nations, China, Japan, and India have or will have more cases. But they also may have the resources to deal with them that Italy may not have unless they have specifically prepared for such an eventuality.
The East Asian capacity for centralization will stand them in good stead now. Are they more susceptible because of their race? That has dropped out completely. But it is clear now that people of other races do get it in any case.
“Sounds like the difference between percentage and absolute numbers.”
Goodness. Sometimes your brain power just leaves me in awe.
In awe, I tell you…
“It is only the flu”
It is maybe just like the flu for most people who get it, but what freaks people out, generally, is (a) lack of control and (b) ‘unknown unknowns’. You have a measure of control over whether or not you get flu, because a vaccination exists. Even if you get flu while vaccinated, it’s likely to be less virulent.
And anecdotally flu seems a lot harder to get – or come across – otherwise I’d presumably have had it more than once in an entire lifetime (while only ever having had three flu vaccinations in that entire lifetime), while most people I know have never even experienced it, which is presumably why they talk about having ‘flu’ when they’ve just got a bad cold.
Sometimes your brain power just leaves me in awe..you are the one who made the incorrectly worded statement.
cheers
I made a statement to a readership that, with one exception, had no need to have its intelligence insulted.
Cheers.
“The Deep State has failed globally to curb the effects of the virus.” –John AZ
That is not their mission. It is the mission of CDC and AID and NIH.
Trump reduced funding for CDC and NIH (specifically the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases).
Trump eliminated the USAID program known as PREDICT which was designed to improve the “detection and discovery of zoonotic viruses with pandemic potential.”
Put the blame where it belongs. Trump has no vision and has not invested in protecting Americans from infectious diseases. Why should he? He thinks Covid-19 is a hoax, a Democratic attempt to get rid of him. It’s always all about him, yet he is always free of blame.
Now GOP members are self-quarantining themselves because of the Covid-19 “hoax” … why doesn’t Trump just get rid of Gaetz, Cruz, Meadows, and all the others who are hurting Trump by perpetuating the virus myth. Even Tucker Carlson of Fox News believes the Covid-19 virus hoax. /sarcasm off
The Deep State includes all your agencies. I am so glad you are able to have predicted the virus last year when budgets were cut. You would have criticized Trump for the debt if he hadn’t cut the budgets. Your hindsight is 20/20 like everyone else.
It is so easy to predict what you are going to say, just look at what Trump is saying or doing and you will be complaining and taking the opposite point of view.
A real Trump hater!
JohnAZ: The “Deep State” is a paranoid conspiracy theory. It is to 2020 what “black helicopters” was to 1995.
Trump in fact did make the foolish and shortsighted decisions that wpa cites. The “hindsight is 20/20” excuse, when applied to fundamental public health-related budget decisions of POTUS, is fairly pathetic.
We will agree to disagree on this.
I suppose so.
The problem is that as you and your fellow redhats follow him over the cliff, you’re dragging the rest of us with you.
Media tells me “stocks are up” today. If you lose 2,000 Monday and gain 1,000 Tuesday, in what world are “stocks up”? Seems like we are still down 1,000.
25000 today down from peak of 29600, but still up from 20660 in Jan 2017. When and if Corona subsides, it will pop back up. You haven’t a leg to stand on.
When and if Corona subsides, it will pop back up. –JohnAZ
The market may pop back up after Biden is elected, but for sure Trump is toast. Almost exactly two years ago on February 27, 2018, the Dow 30 Industrials closed at 25,410, which means Trump is toast. Let me explain:
All the Dow gains of the past two Trump years have been wiped out in just over two weeks as Trump’s incompetence is exposed by the crisis he has failed to manage.
The Trump-adopted criteria, the DJIA, has, under Trump, seen the market decline, the fastest 10% plus decrease in history.
Trump’s S&P 500 market gains are also worse than Obama’s. By the end of October 2011 (three years into the Obama administration), the S&P 500 hit 156% of the value it had on Obama’s first day, which means the index increased by 56% in Obama’s first three years.
In Trump’s first three years, the increase was 34%, or 22 percentage points lower than the gain under Obama. And it has only gotten worse in the last few weeks of Trump’s fourth year with the largest one-day loss in history that was only stopped because of intervention in the market, something that free-market Republicans can be thankful for.
Not sure you can attribute market gains or losses to anyone in particular. More like animal spirits. But it is true that Trump tried to claim ownership, like all pols do. Unclear whether anyone else actually believed any of that.
Media tells me “stocks are up” today. – wpa
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You need to move the closing quote marks:
Media tells me “stocks are up today.”
Better yet, use italics and bolding:
Media tells me “stocks are up today.”
haha
Does this make any sense?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUqYuRB6mc
” just look at what Trump is saying or doing and you will be complaining and taking the opposite point of view.” –JohnAZ
I agree with a lot of what Trump says. The problem is he does not do as he says.
Trump said he would withdraw all the troops. He did not do that.
Trump said he would abolish Obamacare and replace it with something better. He did not do that.
Trump said he would stop Little Kim from developing nuclear weapons that can reach the USA. He did not do that.
Trump said he would release his tax returns. He did not do that.
Etc. etc. … he has said thousands of things he never does.
I support Trump in much of what he says. I don’t just take the opposite position and complain, much less hate.
I like Trump as a person and would happily sit down and have a glass of water or lemonade with him and shoot the breeze. He is entertaining, funny, charming but he is not presidential material.
I like Trump as a person and would happily sit down and have a glass of water or lemonade with him and shoot the breeze. He is entertaining, funny, charming but he is not presidential material.
I can think of few other people I would less like to have a sit-down with … you wouldn’t shoot the breeze – you would listen while he talked and talked – about how great he is, the money he’s made, the women he’s had … on and on.
He’s like the worst white-shoe blowhard down at the country club – you do anything not to sit at his table, much less play a round of golf with him. But I certainly agree with your last statement.
I don’t “hate” him either – I don’t know him. But I’ve spent a lot of my life avoid his type – they are bores and unpleasant.
I like him and would be happy to listen to him. I would even go so far as order him a Big Mac or KFC chicken and, if offered, break bread with him. He is a fascinating fellow. But chances are slim of a meeting because as Citizen Trump he will be very very busy trying to stay out of jail.
For what? He has not been convicted of anything. When he goes, the opposition will just shift onto the next guy or gal. With no money to be made, the lawyers will lose interest.
Well, my problem is that the opposition is too socialistic in its views and cannot come up with a candidate that is even close to Trump right now.
Most of the stuff we hear about Trump are out and out falsehoods invented by the media. The American public is a product of the media. If someone had told me in 1980 that an avowed socialist could get even this close to the WH, I would have thought they were nuts. And yes, Bernie’s “innocent” free for everyone ploys are just attempt to allow government control and ownership of big parts of our economy. The whole concept of the GND is aimed at that end. Ownership = Communism.
I am not sure anyone can handle the issues facing this government right now. The virus is “no win” although Trump’s attempts to downplay the epidemic is a Yuge mistake. He looks like an idiot countering his own medical group. He might be trying to stop emotional reactions, fear, but ignoring the problem is dumb.
He has staked his presidency on the goodness of the economy. Surprise! Amazing a business person would do that. The primary indicator, the Stock Market. I remember JHK talking about whoever holds the reins when the economy finally takes its dive was going to pay for it unwittingly. Trump did nothing to deserve the blame for the virus, but he is going to pay for it this fall. Unless it subsides and everything pops back. The buck does stop in the Oval Office.
Daddy tried.
http://www.got-truth.com/docs/Daddy%20tried.pdf
Daddy failed. Daddy is a loser.
I’m sorry.
That explains your perpetual loop of poverty and self-loathing.
In Detroit, Joe Biden to auto worker who asks him about his promise to put Beto ORourke in charge of gun control efforts should be elected:
‘You’re full of Sh#t!. Don’t be a horses ass, man.”
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Well, returns are coming in and it looks like its curtains for Breadline Bernie. Hey, the Revolution was fun while it lasted, but now its over.
brh
If you want Trump re-elected, you should support Bernie. If Biden wins, it is curtains for the Orange Man. That is not my opinion. That is science based on 2018 results (see Negative Partisanship Model).
Of course, in 2018 Trump had not been impeached (soon we will see the unredacted documents), the stock market was not crashing up and down, Little Kim did not have ICBM nukes, the Kurds were still fighting ISIS as our allies and we had their back, and the independents and libs were not nearing as determined to take both the Senate and the House as well as the Presidency. Back in 2018 the country was not being threatened by a pandemic that Trump is helping spread by his own sneezes, coughs, and lies; by his muzzling of the CDC scientists, and by his incompetence in getting reliable diagnostic kits distributed.
Okay psephologists – wouldn’t the Electoral College be much more democratic / fairer if delegates were awarded on a proportional basis? They do it in the primaries – if you win 52% of a state it isn’t winner-take-all – you get roughly half the delegates on offer (depending on how many candidates reach the magical 15% threshold).
If every state in the general election were proportional, then the presidential candidates would have to campaign in all states, in order to win a decent slice of the vote everywhere – rather than having an intense campaign in only about 10-15 states.
What am I missing here?
Don’t some of the states do that already? But to the main point: this is politics. What’s fair got to do with anything? Fair is winning by whatever means possible and imposing your will on the other side. Period. Complaining about fairness = losing and getting imposed upon. If the Jackasses were actually in the game to win it, as opposed to providing a pitiful simulacrum of an actual opposition party, they wouldn’t complain about whether things were fair all the time.
The electoral college is largely proportional. Each state gets electors that are a sum of the number of representatives plus two senators. It gives a very slight weighting equalization across the 50 states. California and New York swing a large hammer in this country, but they do not own it thanks to the electoral college.
The US is diverse, the economic minorities would be crushed politically by the majority, Cities on the coast, if equalization was not in place. Pure democracy, like socialism, has failed many times because of the domination of the majority.
Not only the electoral college, but the Senate are both attempts to empower the minorities in the country, to protect their rights.
Uncle Joe must be kicking himself he didn’t run in 2016 – as JHK detailed extensively at the time “My Turn” Hillary had the DNC totally in her twin-suit pocket.
Uncle Joe could be cruising to a nice re-election right now … what an alternative universe it could have been!
Hey, I’m telling you, Biden needs to play up this whole Delaware street tough image he’s cultivating. Make the electorate an offer they can’t refuse, and all that… Even start wearing some period correct (late 50’s-early 60’s) street mobster wear like these with some matching Sansabelt poly slacks:
https://www.google.com/search?q=1950%27s+knit+shirt&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS882US882&sxsrf=ALeKk01ExHwiJ1GjLVR3_Hm3pOIbBqZG_A:1583924672895&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=WWvpSNHdjjjuxM%253A%252CXNggrTK-A1xMlM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQwEHDrzsw0F5_u_kLfSKPEiPYuIA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFh-qbo5LoAhVIcq0KHb9qA1UQ9QEwAHoECAoQGg#imgrc=WWvpSNHdjjjuxM:
I like the whole chewing on a toothpick look as well. Maybe even a pack of cigs rolled up in the sleeve. All topped off with an old school fedora and a pair of metal rimmed aviators, natch.
To add, he’ll need to continue the theme to his entire campaign staff, and most especially, his security detail. Bring in some real old school beefed up tough guys for those roles, the seedier the better. Real brawlers. The general campaign theme – strongly implied but not necessarily articulated – should be something along the lines of “Mob War for America,” or similar. Position Biden as an old school mob boss who gives the orders. Actual competence and/or coherence not necessarily required.
And how about a cig tucked behind his ear too? So low, so cool! And make the Limo a low rider, one that shakes when stopped. That’ll get the Hispanic vote.
For the Blacks? Lot of images of him eating Chicken with his hands, his White Hands…..
Would you like to join the campaign with me? Little rough around the edges yet, but you’ve got definite potential. I’ll put in a good word and see what shakes out.
I like the whole chewing on a toothpick look as well. – ellipsis
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Yes, and the toothpick has to be wood, not the plastic kind with the floss thingy on one end like the one I have in my mouth as we speak.
“ahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Well, returns are coming in and it looks like its curtains for Breadline Bernie” –brh
Joke’s on you, brh. Mr. Trump does not have a chance against Biden.
As Bernie has said in every debate: no matter who wins the nomination, it will be all hands on deck in a unified unprecedented voter turnout in November to remove Mr. Trump from office.
Citizen Trump will then face hundreds of civil lawsuits and the Dept. of Justice Legal Memo will not protect Mr. Trump from prosecution.
And criminal lawsuits as more un-redacted documents are ordered released by the courts, by judges Trump appointed.
You’re full of sh#t!. Don’t be a horses ass.” — Candidate Biden
Now, finally, we’ll get to the bottom of the Biden’s corruption in Ukraine, not just Joe, but Hunter and Joe’s younger brother as well. It was a family affair. The truth will have to come out. The big question is, where did they stash that $154 million payout from Burisima? We know the Kerry family got their share of the swag … but where’s the rest of it? Ok so Hunter is racing around LA in a Maserati, but that’s only a couple hundred Gs. There are some enterprising reporters out there wanting to make a name for themselves who willl uncover the ugly truth.
Meanwhile, when will Breadline be dropping out?
brh
Maybe Uncle Joe didn’t run in 2016 because he knew that Hillary knew where the bodies are buried. I think Uncle is pretty clean, but Hunter might have some ‘splainin’ to do, as James would put it.
Joe is to easily goaded into lashing out and its an even uglier looking metric when he does it then when our current President does it.
Joe will have a heart attack trying to counter Donald J. Trumps whit.
In other words Joe has already lost if he gets the nomination.
Further a huge chunk of the Bernie supports will be so angry they will not turn out instead they will be dealing with being berned yet again.
“Meanwhile, when will Breadline be dropping out?”
I guess democrat voters have decided senility is preferable to socialism.
“Ugly truths” are just good for political business. The old truism holds: there is no such thing as bad publicity.
He has no real Charisma. What he has is Burisima. But Mencken warns us from the Grave: Never underestimate the stupidity of the American People. There is little to choose from between Idiot number one and Idiot number two. Both are status quo. Bernie will send us over the cliff at ninety, Biden at fifty, Trump at a staid twenty five or so.
Charisma’s way overrated. It’s only value is in the total absence of a good marketing campaign, and who doesn’t have that? But I think you’ve got the rest of that right.
$ 154 million payout from Brurisma? Really? So what’s the quo? What did they get for $154 million? Unless you’re saying Burisma runs it’s business like a Trump Casino, but I don’t think you are. So what is the quo? Drop the investigation on Burisma? They got that for $60,000 a month salary to Hunter. A tad cheaper wouldn’t you say? You got no answer and you know it.
The pussy grabber is going to make toast of the vegetable in the election.
As Glen Close said … I will not be ignored … That movie clip scared me straight more than once I’ll have you know.
If the sisterhood lets Biden get in the sisterhood must be into BSDM. Deserving of no sympathy but if that is the way it is they would not want sympathy anyway. Except from the devil. Half of them I think. I am confused. I don’t know how this dom / sub thing works. Not my thing as you can tell, but only half would like being grabbed I think. Regardless, sisters If you vote Uncle Joe; get ready to blow.
As the link will show.
If the sisterhood lets Biden get in the sisterhood must be into BSDM.
Possibly – who can tell?
But it’s far more likely that the sisters are far more concerned to elect ABT.
You mean to say BDSM.
You expect us to watch that? The guy has one of the worst faces I’ve ever seen. That’s the kind of people who sent the Aristocrats to the guillotine in the French Revolution.
She’s the Dom here, but he will assert himself and have revenge against all others….
National Poll : General Election : Biden vs. Trump
Fox News Biden … 49% Trump … 41% Advantage Biden … 8%
Fox News General Election Poll
Biden : 49%
Trump : 41%
Eight other national polls show the same. Not a single national poll shows Trump winning against Biden.
Wait a minute, Little Jane. Up till yesterday you were backing Breadline Bernie; this quick pivot to Biden makes my head spin.
Its looking like Breadline has lost every state this time around. Everything was going so well too. What happened? No really, I’m not trying to be provocative, I’d honestly like to know how it all went off the rails.
“You’re full of sh#t!” — Joe Biden, to union member in Detroit.
You know, the campaign slogan
‘we’ze riden with Biden
Stacy Abrams is drivin’
may have to be modified to fit in “You’re full of sh#t”
Can it be done? It must!
brh
Such deep convictions! Expediency is All! You win at Scrabble not by vocabulary but by skillful use of the power squares.
Not a single national poll shows Trump winning against Biden. – wpa
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Just like in 2016 vs Hillary. And we know how that turned out.
Just like in 2016 vs Hillary. And we know how that turned out.
Yes – there is a kicker in there for sure.
The kicker is the Electoral College – and the state-by-state bias.
This time the polls (8 months before election day) will be right?
Q: We also know how 2018 turned out. Democrats thumped Republicans by 9.7 million votes nationally in the House races. Trump lost the suburbs and isn’t getting them back. And he cannot win without the suburbs. He’s done.
Are The Walls Closing In Again, Hapman?
LOL.
Please stop drinking the bong water.
It is going to be progressives for Trump if Biden carries the blue flag.
Go PFT ! Death by a thousand cuts or Trump can just stick us good and twist. I’ll take Trump.
AOC is going to support Biden. The game changes. Corona is raging with its mighty ging, coming to take our breath, put our ass in a sling. A US virus testing fiasco. Much will change. But Biden would be bubonic.
How brave to take Trump’s dagger, noble martyr, filled with swagger!
Public appearances featuring both AOC and Biden would be comedically unstoppable.
There would be so many gaffes that we’d all die of laughter before we could even make it to the polls.
Did you hear of her scientific achievements? She was boasting about them to poor Huckabee.
Science fair winnar!
I suspect she has considerably more scientific achievements than anyone on here.
Yeah, man. She won a science fair.
Cheer up dog. Biden will likely have some sort of dementia related meltdown along the way, allowing the Queen Whose Name Dare Not Be Spoken to ascend the prospective throne once again. We Americans just love us some sequels, so no telling what the DC producers have in store for us this time. Steel cage death match in tights, complete with props and costumes? Personally, I’d like to see a tag team match that includes the VPs, especially if Biden manages to hold on to get the nod as Mr Irrelevant. I think he could still whip Pence’s soft little white boy ass. Biden might be punch drunk at this stage, but I think he’s still got that gangsta toughness of his youth. Some things you never forget.
“….soft little white boy ass.” Right on. A marshmallow in a suit. Poster boy of a politician, central casting suck up.
“I’ll take Trump.”
Wow!
🙂 ha ha
Dog, you wrote (and I paraphrase) “time to get out in the garden.”
I’m thinking its little early for that.
But checking my trusty Farmers Almanac, I see in the Seattle area, your growing season begins March 18, and continues to Nov 13, a whopping 239 frost free days ( compared to 159 days in the central Ct zone)
Now I see why half of New England pulled up stakes and moved west on the Oregon Trail beginning in the 1840s.
So get out there in that warm late winter sun, my friend.
Brh
I’m going to be a hunter gatherer where I live 😉 lol
lots of fishing..
Remember Trip Ticket?
he left Washington state because the growing season was not long enough, at least for him. Them he went to Macon, Georgia and got a taste of reality.
He was in the East of Washington. Conditions are similar to New England in terms of temperature, but with far less water. As I remember it, he didn’t think the Spokane aquifer was adequate for growing population. And the whole Great Basin is as dry or drier. He longer for the wetness of his youth. Heat and Water are what plants like. But he forgot about the Blacks – or never knew. He admitted that I was right in the end. They make the South very difficult in many areas.
Aw shucks … the poor little palefaces find the South “difficult”… it’s all them ungrateful darkies, they should go back to where they came from! LOL
Yes, Jefferson and Lincoln said as much, along with many other distinguished men. You merely stand on the shoulders of giants, my Lord.
Gasgills, you are fairly new here?
TT mentioned a Black gal pissing in the street–I saw this in LA a few days ago.
TT mentioned pitbulls killing his birds [he shoulda been more worried about the PBTs killing him and his 2 toddlers.
TT mentioned his car being broken into many times.
I wonder how the YT who bought his place has fared?
Trip is a very smart guy but it took Macon to make him smarter, shall I say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEgjukoPkcE
seriously
watch that 7 sec youtube vid of Biden’s mind snapping.. and in good faith post to me that this fella will be an effective executive
It’s early too folks. There is another 8 months yet for the general election, and then another couple months before anybody gets sworn again for President.
So.. this guy isn’t gonna get any sharper mentally in that time..
Same clip as the one Jimmy Dore was ragging on in my post above.
Pro Quo Pedo Joe is so toast he has simply disintegrated in the toaster.
thanks
You’re looking at it all wrong, Pete. I fleshed out an entire campaign strategy for the old bird while I was out walking this morning. I’ll try to find time to type it up and post it later. If Trump has shown us anything, reality is totally optional, even (especially?) for Chief execs these days.
I can already imagine a demented Biden slouching around in the oval office, bumbling non-sensical banter full of word salad to foreign leaders, taking breaks to frequently shuffle in and out of the bathroom. All the while he will be surrounded by “advisors” who are actually making 100% of all the policy decisions– including forging his signature & telling people “what Joe is really going to do is..” type statements to forge their own agenda without an actual President.
It’s fucking scary, end stage of a nation type shit.
Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-y_w0O5Bw
Much cringe.
Embrace the chaos!
BeeeEEEEEEeeeeerniiiiiiieeeee…..Time to wake up and realize your negatives are to high.
You are losing to a demented old man with bad hair plugs and a ton of videos playing with and sniffing little girls hair.
A gaff machine far above and beyond George W. mispronouncing words.
Time for you to concede they have made you look even crazier than you really are.
Democratic Socialist buwahahahah time to go fsck yourself .
Now lets get down to brass tacks. how are Breadline Bernie and Joe gaff a minute Biden aka plugs the face of the party?
The Democrat party appears old senile and with a ridiculous platform of nothing but whackadoodles, anarchists and bitter clingers to SJW nonsense platforms.
Joe needs to rebrand by pivoting to the right. The hard right! Easy as pie in politics. I’ll write up the details later.
This is the age of video we have 20 years of crazy Joe’s bullshit to stick in his face.
No Joe is done just the optics of him pawing at little girls hair is enough to face plant this old fool in the dumpster of history!
My Good look at what the Dean scream did to Howard Dean any of Joe’s gaffs and blank looks while talking is enough to sideline him.
This is a new age, politically. You don’t run away from political faux pas and gaffs, you run full steam ahead and actually embrace them! I’ll give you a hint: you throw the whole #metoo and lefty crowd under the bus and tell them you don’t want their damn votes anyway. Tell them all to fuck off and die. Problem fixed for 2024 as well, as they’ll have nowhere else to go. Then you pivot hard right and simply out Trump, Trump. You don’t beat Trump from the left, you beat him from the right! Not hard to do for the HRC wing of the Jackass Party. I’m calling it the Scorched Earth strategy.
Benr, he paws at more than their hair. I encourage you to watch the compilation I posted last week.
IMO, he is a pedo.
Yes, lead us. Be our Moses and our Joshua against the Non-White and Liberal White Heathens. As many votes as Trump? Hell, he’d get more since he’d get the Evangelicals.
Pretty much what is happening with the cognitively dysfunctional “Sharpie” Trump in the Oval Office ….. so it will just be business as usual when Uncle Joe gets the gig. Same-same
Anyway – all the deep-state paranoids on here needn’t give a toss about who they prop up in the office … they know that real power resides elsewhere.
Democrat House Majority whip Clyburn: “I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination, and quite frankly, if the night ends the way it has begun, I think it is time for us to shut this primary down, it is time for us to cancel the rest of these debates,” Clyburn said, “because you don’t do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue in this contest when it’s obvious that the numbers will not shake out for you.”
Democrat leader proposes to “shut primary down and cancel rest of the debates”..
wow
it was never about democracy people…
cite my source there
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clyburn-calls-for-shutting-dem-primary-down-canceling-debates-after-biden-surge
Yep, there it is.
Corona Chan wins. The Play is the comedy, “Man”. And the Hero is Conqueror Worm.
Its all about keeping Bernie from winning.
Why???
Have you really paid attention to what he says?
His history?
Bernie Sanders is exactly what the United States has been fighting against since WWII ended.
I expect demented old Biden to nomination and get destroyed in the contest against Trump he is just to easily provoked.
Lately he is calling people names who ask him questions he does not want to answer.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/10/joe-biden-gun-control-exchange-auto-plant-worker/5011344002/
No Joe just get a shotgun you are actually full of it and you are coming off unhinged.
He just talks too much. Easily taken care of. In Joe’s case, silence is golden.
Bernie Sanders is exactly what the United States has been fighting against since WWII ended.
It’s the exact opposite of that, but I’ll let it pass. America has been sending young men to their agonised pointless deaths since WWII precisely in order to protect the oil riches of the ruling class.
I suggest you read some history.
Democrat leader proposes to “shut primary down and cancel rest of the debates”.. wow … it was never about democracy people…
The dude is right at one level … if there is no path to Victory for Bernie, then more debates have little to offer the party, while presenting downside risks.
But I don’t think it’s the party’s call … Bernie should withdraw gracefully, and call on all his young and enthusiastic followers to get behind Joe, to defeat Trump. And if he;s smart, he’ll take on key Bernie ideas, and not ignore that youthful base.
Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination
LOL. I think they mean ‘presumptive’, but perhaps ‘prohibitive’ is on the monet!
I’m not sure that the Millennials even like the Baby Boomers?
Kevin Harden, Jr.
@KHJ_Esq
Coronavirus got Boomers stocking their doomsday bunkers… meanwhile millennials are online shopping for bathing suits for the five island trip they just booked on Spirit for $130.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/young-people-capitalize-cheap-coronavirus-flights-if-i-die-i-n1154326
I’m pretty sure they don’t. Gonna be hard times ahead for Boomers who are dependent on younger family members. Lot’s of who killed grandpa inquiries that never get resolved.
Hell, who am I kidding? Never even get investigated.
“I’m not sure that the Millennials even like the Baby Boomers?”
This one does…
“For Capri Nicole, 27, the discount flights offered something more meaningful than a getaway: a chance to see her grandma, who is sick with cancer, next week on her 71st birthday.
Okay I know the world is in a state of panic but flights are cheap AF. I definitely just booked a flight to see my grams for her birthday…
“Nicole says she isn’t worried about getting sick.
“If I die, I die. I miss my family.”
Who can forget the young Winston Churchill, already an important man, rushing thru the rain to see his dying nanny (his real Mother as per the way of the English Aristocrats)? She admonished him for getting wet and reached up from her death bed to try and dry him off. He said, She spent her life serving other and her end was no different. Surely such a one has nothing to fear from Judgment or for her her place in the next world.
Ah, if he could only have been tender like this more often or justly acerbic as when berating female journalists. Instead he helped destroy the Empire by helping its usurpers against its real Friends in Germany and elsewhere.
My favorite: A woman said to him, You are drunk. Winnie replied, But tomorrow I will be sober. But you will still be ugly.
What politician in the Western World could get away with Truth like this nowadays? Free World? Like hell.
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John, I tried to post a link yesterday but it didn’t work for whatever reason. Its http://www.worldometers.info.coronavirus. I find this to be the best site for tracking the new crown pneumonia pandemic. I was referring to the CFR for closed cases yesterday per this sites statistics. Obviously if we were much better at testing worldwide we would have a better picture but anyhoo, I thought you might find it interesting.
We are 8 months out to the general election. The democrat convention is this summer.
So, what happens if the democrats nominate Biden as their candidate, and by the time November rolls around, Biden is clearly showing Alzheimer’s?
Then what? Will the democrats write somebody else in?
Fuck
Never show weakness. I’m assuming that if Biden is still #1, they’ll have positioned HRC, Michelle, or someone similar as #2. Not sure if Barack is even eligible for that post, but if he is, he’ll be a strong consideration too, although I think Michelle would play much better.
yeah, you just might be right
“ In 1918 an influenza virus emerged—probably in the United States—that would spread around the world, and one of its earliest appearances in lethal form came in Philadelphia. Before that worldwide pandemic faded away in 1920, it would kill more people than any other outbreak of disease in human history. Plague in the 1300s killed a far larger proportion of the population—more than one-quarter of Europe—but in raw numbers influenza killed more than plague then, more than AIDS today. The lowest estimate of the pandemic’s worldwide death toll is twenty-one million, in a world with a population less than one-third today’s. That estimate comes from a contemporary study of the disease and newspapers have often cited it since, but it is almost certainly wrong. Epidemiologists today estimate that influenza likely caused at least fifty million deaths worldwide, and possibly as many as one hundred million. Yet even that number understates the horror of the disease, a horror contained in other data. Normally influenza chiefly kills the elderly and infants, but in the 1918 pandemic roughly half of those who died were young men and women in the prime of their life, in their twenties and thirties. Harvey Cushing, then a brilliant young surgeon who would go on to great fame—and who himself fell desperately ill with influenza and never fully recovered from what was likely a complication—would call these victims “doubly dead in that they died so young.” One cannot know with certainty, but if the upper estimate of the death toll is true as many as 8 to 10 percent of all young adults then living may have been killed by the virus. And they died with extraordinary ferocity and speed. Although the influenza pandemic stretched over two years, perhaps two-thirds of the deaths occurred in a period of twenty-four weeks, and more than half of those deaths occurred in even less time, from mid-September to early December 1918. Influenza killed more people in a year than the Black Death of the Middle Ages killed in a century; it killed more people in twenty-four weeks than AIDS has killed in twenty-four years. The influenza pandemic resembled both of those scourges in other ways also. Like AIDS, it killed those with the most to live for. And as priests had done in the bubonic plague, in 1918, even in Philadelphia, as modern a city as existed in the world, priests would drive horse-drawn wagons down the streets, calling upon those behind doors shut tight in terror to bring out their dead.”
John M. Barry
The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History
Some insist the Spanish Flu started in China.
Summary of hypotheses here by the same author:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/
Even Kansas isn’t complaining:
https://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/flu-epidemic-of-1918/17805
https://www.kansas.com/news/local/article200880539.html
No, that was Spanish Fly
Countless died from lethal overdoses of aspirin.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/09/fascinating-history-from-the-arsh-1918-spanish-flu-epidemic-bayer-pharma-convinced-doctors-worldwide-to-give-patients-lethal-overdoses-of-aspirin/
Bayer rhymes with Mayer….
gosh
“Its looking like Breadline has lost every state this time around.” –brh
I think he won North Dakota and Washington State. They still haven’t announced that Bernie won California.
In any event, the Democratic primary is not over until Bernie says it’s over. I think he is busy preparing for the next debate.
After the next debate I wouldn’t be surprised if Bernie wins the Cuban vote in Miami.
If Biden is smart he’ll refuse to debate him. No explanations, just cancel and leave it at that.
He may have no choice.
Will you pass the test ?
“This is not a test of our commitment to basic hygiene or disaster preparedness or our ability to come together as a nation in times of crisis, although we’re not doing so well on any of those fronts.
No, what is about to unfold over the next few weeks is a test to see how well we have assimilated the government’s lessons in compliance, fear and police state tactics; a test to see how quickly we’ll march in lockstep with the government’s dictates, no questions asked; and a test to see how little resistance we offer up to the government’s power grabs when made in the name of national security.
Most critically of all, this is a test to see whether the Constitution—and our commitment to the principles enshrined in the Bill of Rights—can survive a national crisis and true state of emergency.”
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/this_is_a_test_how_will_the_constitution_fare_during_a_nationwide_lockdown
I think its irresponsible to suggest that a strong response threatens peoples rights. So what is the point of the Federal government at all? Why do we even have a society? Wouldn’t it be great if we had a functioning government that was able to efficiently and capably do exactly that which it is supposed to do according to the Constitution. The Federal government’s basically only job is to protect the country and keep order. If chaos ends up prevailing shouldn’t the government step in to maintain order?
If it can. The same argument can be used by Assad in Syria.
If a rebel contingent tried to overthrow the Feds here, the Deep State, would a gregarious President Nuke them to preserve order.
If disorder starts up in an epidemic, what would the government do to preserve order? When the cops lose the streets, like Chicago, what comes next? What happens when the drug culture takes over and the cartels challenge the government for control? We are close to some of these scenarios. So far, the government has done very little to stem the tides. Protect us? Since when?
My point is, the government does not preserve order, the people do. Faith in the political system by the people is what keeps things running on an even keel. Autocratic crowd control never works, ever.
The advent of the socialistic crowd in the US, the gimme folks, the government will take care of us folks, is killing the individual responsibility “spine” of this country. The future is dim.
BTW, started Life in the Long Emergency. Excellent, easy read. We have not made much progress since 2005.
Well maybe if the government didn’t spend endless billions inflating the stock market and giving foreign countries tax payer money and paying ridiculous prices for all sorts of supplies and equipment then maybe they could actually do what the people pay them to do. And I agree. Individuals also have a responsibility. A point I brought up below.
No, we’re long past that, John. Your heroes, the private sector, made porn available to preteens on iphones. And the “people” eagerly accepted the gift. It’s the Feds or nothing.
And even when America was much stronger, the Government still centralized for the Civil War. And the South had to do the same thing or just give up immediately.
Even when the Crisis was apparent in China, direct flights from Wuhan to New York were still going on – for days. Greed feeds normalcy bias. You have to have some People, somewhere, who are above this kind of thing. Japan does. They only seem to be like us you see. They are secret Fascists, knowing full well that someone has to lead, and that someone can’t be the one who only cares about profit.
Why is this so hard for you? That’s the real question. It’s really is as simply as my last sentence in the previous paragraph.
“Your heroes, the private sector, made porn available to preteens on iphones. ”
“People, somewhere, who are above this kind of thing. Japan does. They only seem to be like us you see.”
Yeah, that’s why child porn was only made illegal in Japan in 2014, with the exception of manga child porn which is perfectly legal still.
Your heroes, the private sector, made porn available to preteens on iphones.
The phones are more dangerous than 12 year old boys watching porn.
This damn pandemic has rattled the crap out of you SSL., Your Savior weeps
So how are you so certain you know when I am rattled and when I am not? I find that to be interesting. Is there anything else about me that you would like to explain to me? 🙂
Says the person who tells other people that they’re angry and Jesus-splains their own views to them! 🙂
MGM was started by 3 Jewish men.
Mr Mayer or Goldwyn said,
PAY NO ATTENTION TO YR CRITICS.
DO LESS THAN IGNORE THEM.
Th e tone of your recent posts have taken a strong woe is us, the sky is falling., tone. Sounds like you’re a Christian. If you are,. act like one., If not please disregard this message
I think its irresponsible to suggest that a strong response threatens people’s rights.
I agree totally … to suggest that strong measures (especially in relation to freedom of movement, and no large gatherings) are somehow a threat to society, and the end of the free world – is simply paranoid, gun-nut, Idaho-compound craziness.
The continuing spread of coronavirus poses a far greater threat to freedom, happiness, and way of life than strong measures to mitigate it do.
The author of that piece needs a big dose of reality.
Agree. Hardcore American dummies strutting their disorder on display.
Only We know the Truth: People are cattle for the most part. Communists, Fascists, and National Socialists all agree on that much. But some cattle are better than others and your own cattle are best for you. You want to breed the cattle down to the lowest common denominator and then change the denominator. Stalin was very interested in crossing humans and apes to create the perfect worker….
We’re for Eugenics. You’re for Dysgenics.
Huh? Are you trying out for fruit-loop of the week?
Read it carefully and slowly. It makes perfect sense. I wish I was as smart as he is. And you don’t even compare so how dare you talk without respect.
. Stalin was very interested in crossing humans and apes to create the perfect worker…. proof is where?
And Ann Barnhardt makes fun of those who notice chemtrails and pushes her religion on listeners.
Well, MD, if that’s meant to be a response to sensationalism and panic, it’s certainly repaying in kind. 🙂
GA
Look and see.
Who is panicking and sensationalizing? Who is trying to maintain an even keel and direct a sane approach?
We have a world wide emergency on our hands here and all the resistance can do is try to take advantage of the situation. Politics out of control, is destroying this country.
JohnAZ
I’m not criticising your current administration – I’m criticising the tone of the article MD linked to. Sensationalism doesn’t come more sensationalist than that.
Although I do think wider testing would have made more sense in your country, but if that’s the way you choose to handle it and have a more haphazard response, that’s entirely your decision.
Similarly, the UK government and the Scottish government (while not undertaking any lockdowns) both passed emergency legislation to ensure that people normally not eligible for free NHS testing or treatment (refugees, asylum seekers, non-EU workers/students, holidaymakers) would be assured of free testing and treatment because that’s a way to slow down infection rates.
You’re in a worse position in that respect because testing and treatment depend on an ability and a willingness to pay, whether it’s by individuals or by insurance companies.
The NHS system has different disadvantages, which I outlined above, i.e. we will run out of beds and equipment sooner, hence the necessity of taking a less haphazard approach to infection spread than yourselves to minimise the chaos.
Irresponsible ? If it is a weaponized virus, why would it be irresponsible to warn people ?
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/514b05c6e4b04d7440eb010a/t/5e43713e383ee71bf828b05d/1581478219297/Letter-to-White-House-Officials-Feb-10-2020.pdf
No, it is very responsible to warn people. I personally think that the government should have treated it as a bioweapon from the very beginning. What I was referring to is if it comes to quarantines and containment I think society can deal with it and individuals need to deal with it because its best for everybody. That is the problem with extreme individualism. It actually becomes immoral because it is such a selfish perspective. That was what I was referring to.
The problem with weaponizing a virus is the same problem with mustard gas- sometimes the wind changes directions. Remember “The Deer Hunter.” Russian Roulette fun and games. Never happened because of exactly what happened in the movie-it can be turned against the captors.
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Well, you may not believe this, but I just located an actual photograph of the Wakanda National Library, where the entire compendium of human knowledge was not only stored, but freely perused by all citizens.
It was sadly destroyed.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yWS5SIuNcck/XmjFdyBe5EI/AAAAAAAAVwo/KwsmGNAN2Xkj8T8qDF05iqOZXAtxMm_PwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/the-klementinum-national-library-czech-republic-1.jpg
Yes, the legends of Shanrgri La are based on Wakanda. I went there once in my astral body during sleep. With their advanced psychic abilities, many were able to see me. They started calling me Honkey and Cracker and started throwing astral rocks at me.
now you are like a Jewish comic.
“Well, md, if that’s meant to be a response to sensationalism and panic, it’s certainly repaying in kind.”
We are discussing a Pandemic, it’s an easy mistake.
The sensationalism wasn’t about the pandemic, it was about the militarised police in the streets and on the roofs.
Which doesn’t seem to be happening in Italy, despite a historical taste for such things. Unless I’m behind with the news.
“That is the problem with extreme individualism.”
I’m not encouraging stupidity, but we must be aware of ALL that is happening.
When the emergency is over the Deep State will not lay down its newly acquired [ usurped through coersion ] powers.
And is the Deep State laying down anything at the moment? Seems to me they pretty much control everything. And they do work well. But ultimately they are all human beings and have shortcomings. Therefore they are unable to form a pure monolith and can be broken up and defeated. They are already divided into factions interested in very different outcomes. God scoffs at the plans of men. Ultimately they aren’t going to be in control. I’m not trying to minimize their danger either. They are dangerous as you know. But just a little bit of a different view.
The only “deep State” is control by the Republican Party (and their puppet masters) of everything – effectively aiming to keep the Democratic Party out of power, in perpetuity,
One-Party rule by the GOP – that is the “Deep State” everyone should be afraid of – and many rational people are.
If Biden is smart he’ll refuse to debate him. –ellipsis
Thereby Biden would demonstrate that his gaffes (or fear of making gaffes) make him unfit and a coward.
If Biden is so “electable”, why would he be afraid of a debate with Bernie? The primary is not over until Bernie says it is.
If Biden is smart he’ll refuse to debate him. –ellipsis
LOL. Bernie gave Biden the pre-debate questions. If Biden did not show up, it would be dereliction of duty.
It would be like becoming president then spending “executive time” watching TV, eating Big Macs, playing golf, delegating to the VP, etc. … while the country is under threat of nuclear attack from North Korea, cyberattack from China and Iran, biological attack from Covid-19.
Not at all. Just call it “imperiousness.” But Trump has indeed set the standard. Biden would be wise to follow it.
After Kennedy/Nixon debates there wasn’t another debate until Ford/Carter. LBJ didn’t do it, Nixon never did it again. Trump is no spring chicken. He may look better because he nukes himself every day in those solar coffins, but under the hood he’s as bad if not worse. If Biden plays his cards right he’ll avoid the debate and blame it on Trump.
Most pertinent comment I’ve seen today:
“This year, they are also hard programming the youth to accept the control as well.
How?
By propping up a guy like Bernie Sanders who they know they would never ever ever let get anywhere near the presidency. By funding Liz Warren who is a well-connected member of the over-class as well.
Lift them up, and drop them hard. It might only take this one election (don’t forget Hillary, though) to turn them off of civic duties and citizenship for their whole lives.
And bingo, your FOURTH TURNING is delayed a few more years.
You can keep riding in the burning car a little longer and enjoy the plunge over the cliff with the radio blaring because you won’t be alive at the bottom anyway.
What a way to go out.
The only way the Great Awakening can be surpressed is if they keep the youth dumber than their parents, and constantly defeated. It’s been going great so far.
Hence social media, rigged voting, and terrible main stream media messages full of contradiction, and messages of how spoiled, dumb, naive, and materialistic the kids are these days. Who made them that way?
Contradiction is the opposite of a peaceful mind, and they have known this for centuries. Children today face a world FULL of contradictory evidence, and contradictory myths. Navigating a world of half truths is not easy for adults, much less for young people.
When I was a kid, an adult liar was pretty rare.
Now, they are everywhere.”
Congrats. I think you’ve nailed all the major points here. You have to admit, it was quite a genius strategy played out for all these many years. And there will be no resisting it from here on out. That time’s long since passed.
STAND BY FOR A MESSAGE FROM JOE BIDEN
“Your full of sh#t”.
Biden/Abrams 2020
We’ze ridin with Biden
Stacy Abrams is drivin
Brh
Are you shocked, brh, that a politician would use such language? Want to do a comparison of language Trump and Biden have used. Is it OK when Trump does it?
No, but like many elderly people, Biden is combative.
I could picture him at some event climbing down off the speakers podium and beating the sh#t out of an unfortunate heckler … as long as it’s not the BackRowHeckler.
Brh
LOL! Actually, it’s “You’re,” but even Biden’s staffers would be lucky to get that close.
You dog-faced pony soldier, you. Domestic violence is a problem, and we’ve got to keep punching at it.
People like Van Jones who clutch their pearls, and worry that Bernie might hurt the Democrats’ chances, should remember that Bernie is not a Democrat.
Bernie has never been a member of the Democratic or Republican party. Bernie is proud of being INDEPENDENT and proud of being a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
Biden has to be prepared to answer the pre-debate questions Bernie gave him today because Bernie is still running for President… and so is Tulsi Gabbard, although Bernie has a considerable delegate advantage, enough to shape the Democratic platform at the peaceful and orderly convention in July.
WPA
Any possibility that Bernie does not kowtow to the DNC this time and runs as a third candidate? If he is really concerned that his movement succeeds as he says, the attempted formation of a third party might be in order.
It will guarantee Trump in the fall, but if making a new party from the Progressive side is a priority, maybe he will tell the Dems to take a hike.
Trump is probably a shoo-in anyway, so maybe it is a good time.
Unless the virus takes off, then his Medicare for all becomes palatable.
Conservatives do not realize it but in today’s world, the virus could panic the American public to embracing socialism with open arms.
No, I do not think that Bernie is done.
As a conservative, I hear Bernie’s presser as a shot over the bow.
So do I. Seems Bernie is not going to go quietly into the night.
“Unless the virus takes off, then his Medicare for all becomes palatable.” –JohnAZ
Did you not see Trump and Pence rushing to assure that ALL medical costs would be paid by the Trump administration with no co-pays, no deductibles, no premiums, no out-of-pocket expense to the patient.
Trump and Pence have already started embracing key aspects of Bernie’s Medicare For All plan.
You’ve obviously forgotten political Rule #1: Talk is cheap, lies are even cheaper. And really, really big lies (fucking whoppers!) are gratis.
Nah, Breadline will get a nice payout to quietly disappear. In 2016 it was a pretty swanky vacation home on Lake Champlain. They’ll have to top that this time around … is Jeffrey Epstien’s private island in the Virgin Islands available?
Brh
You’ve been making that ‘pay off’ accusation for quite some time, Marlin. Did you make it up yourself, or do you have independent evidence you can point me to?
Tulsi Gabbard really oughta be allowed into this next debate between these two old codgers, and then video the voter remorse as the democrat voters realize that yes, there was a woman still running for President, and she is neither a commie, nor senile.
In fact, she’s 100% bang worthy, and she’d be the hottest Prez in US history.
🙂 ha..
Haha, Bang Worthy, haven’t heard that in a long time
Yes, there was a brief period when we hoped men had grown up and acquired a bit of respect, but it turned out to be a false alarm.
Jackie Kennedy– it ll be great if we get the White House again.
Joan Kennedy–We, who is we?
ha ha 🙂
Trump is the cause of the Covid-19 being community spread. There was a time when Covid-19 could have been contained, but Trump ordered the top-level coronavirus meetings be classified, and that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion.
Dude needs to be impeached again to make America great again before he kills us all.
BS, always BS from you. Are you a member of the Democratic board of lies and falsehoods?
If it can be contained, why hasn’t China, Iran, Italy been able to contain it? You are over your head with this statement, or out of your head.
China is past peak but still producing new cases, Italy and Iran are both still accelerating.
All your statements are baloney. Trump may have tried to put a lid on a problem with no solution but he has not affected the way the CDC, WHO and other health care agencies have handled this. The other countries are not under Trumpian influence and they have had no success stemming the tide.
You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how full of holes it is.
“China is past peak”
There you go. That didn’t hurt did it? China is using the WHO supplied diagnosis kits, so they know where containment is needed.
Trump refused the WHO kits. Maybe because the W stands for World and that smells “globalist”? Anyway, Trump made the decision, then classified the meeting minutes, which were probably “perfect” like his perfect phone call, and Trump’s decision led to weeks of delay, to community spread, and to the deaths of Americans, in violation of the oath of office Trump took.
CHINA:
“The number of new cases reported has fallen dramatically in recent days even as infections are surging in other countries. The World Health Organization has praised Beijing’s response.”
Would a kind Corona Virus sufferer please cough in Janet/Asoka’s /wpa’s face…….repeatedly?
Until Trump provides the diagnostic kits we won’t know who has the virus.
Today’s pandemic update: 121,564 diagnoses, 4,373 deaths
4373 divided by 121564 equals a mortality rate of 3.6%
Compare that to the influenza mortality rate of 0.1%
The Coronavirus is consistently around 35 times more deadly than influenza, no matter how high the number of positive diagnosis goes. This is true back when Trump said there were “only” 15 cases and they would soon go down to zero. “Keep calm” says Mr. Trump as the number of cases doubles each week… and we still don’t have those “millions” of diagnostic kits that permit physicians to diagnose on-site.
Doesn’t matter if it is hurricanes, or forest fires, or viral pandemics… Mr. Trump has shown himself incapable of providing strong leadership. We need Bernie in the White House.
“Today’s pandemic update: 121,564 diagnoses, 4,373 deaths
4373 divided by 121564 equals a mortality rate of 3.6%”
WPA,
A simple solution then is to refuse to be diagnosed…Perhaps I will live forever.
Sanders has just made an anemic appearance on national TV to weakly attack Joe Biden & Trump, rattling off a long list of “isms” of Trump’s thoughtcrimes & a kind of funny “what are you gonna do about this Joe..” approach to harass Joe Biden.
If Sanders hits Biden hard enough during the next debate, even if they are both sitting down– he could unhinge the Old Man enough to show how senile Joe Biden is, and really fuck the whole democrat race up.
I hope he does it!
His “good friend,” Joe Biden. Bernie doesn’t have the stones. And for better or worse, the senility issue hasn’t dropped Biden’s support whatsoever, despite ample opportunities to do so. Whatever it is the Jackasses have put in the Kool Aid, it’s working. I’m guessing it’s the socialist card. Pretty hard for Bernie to run away from that one.
Why would he run away from being a democratic socialist? In 2016 he almost defeated Hillary and never “ran away” from being a democratic socialist. Bernie is proud of being a democratic socialist. He may be ten years before his time, but America is already embracing democratic socialist ideals like a living wage, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, TRICARE, VA, etc.
People under 30, the ones who will be the leaders of tomorrow, have absolutely no fear of the S word.
Correction: SOME of them might not, but many do. MANY still live in their parents’ basements and don’t vote anyway, so they’re of no concern whatsoever. [Got a little neighbor kid right next door in that boat. Don’t know why his dad puts up with him. Fucking worthless as the day is long.]
I’m thinking you might want to venture out beyond the safe confines of the NYT and WaPo more often. The political world hasn’t really changed all that much from 50 years ago, present hype notwithstanding.
Thirty years from now, who knows? But for right now at least the status quo still prevails.
But America has. Therein lies the Doom of the White Race on this continent. The old rusty pail slowly fill up with water. Then suddenly the bottom falls out. Who saw it coming? Really smart people who can see, watch, count, and analyze. Once Whites are the minority, everything changes. Thirty years? I’d say much less than that since many Whites vote with their replacements.
Also the difference betwen Soto and Rinzai Zen. Soto fills up the pail while Rinzia focuses on the bottom fallout.
The Fix is in: all the Blacks are voting Biden. He will be the third Black President.
“He will be the third Black President.”
Reply
Janos,
Rather, his Vice President will be….
Are they going to be sitting down? I hope so! My empathy gene goes into overdrive seeing old men have to stand for hours at a lectern. Will Tulsi Gabbard be allowed into the debate? She is still an active candidate.
The moral crusade to erase gender differences will dissipate like early morning mist like a lot of the other nonsense inflicted in this nonsense-infused age, such as the incessant quacking about gender fluidity, insofar as it’s allowed to talk about actual gender because then maybe you’re making an implicit assumption that gender differences actually exist. Aren’t you? Can’t have that now can we? You wouldn’t want the twitter mob to ruin you. Would you?
Regardless, given the exigencies of the coming time of troubles, whether they’re diseases spread by the misconceived notion that borders shouldn’t exist, that as an impediment to free travel and migration, they’re a blight on humanity, or whether the troubles are of an economic variety as unworkable arrangements of the previous generation unwind, there’s tons of other shit that gets flushed.
Like Drag Queen Story Time, which on its own is just a passing silliness. The problem is that it’s not on its own, it’s part of wider, longer-lived societal patterns of behavior.
There was a shit-disturbing article that I read on-line, which I thought it was on Quillette, itself a shit-disturbing publication, but now I can’t find it. Anyway, it was written by a mom that can’t get with progressive parenting of the type that encourages sexual activity among teen kids. This mother essentially crapped on the modern-day approach saying nothing comes of it but single, crazy cat-ladies and women like Charlotte on Sex and the City bemoaning the fact that she’s been dating since she was fifteen. And she’s exhausted. Nope, this writer’s kids are going to have sex with their one and only. One. Only. From which they will raise families.
A laudable goal, and a strong antidote to the insane behavior that’s been not much good for anything other than spreading disease and single motherhood.
But the bigger point is that the practicalities of the future will dictate a whole lot less in the way of personal autonomy in sexual and other matters, and a whole lot more in the way of personal obligation. Mutual obligation that is. That is, if you want to survive in a way that’s more than just staying alive day by day.
So I think JHK is right, the future world will resemble a world that isn’t long past. It will be a place that won’t give you what you want in two clicks and a yawn. Some physical force might have to be exerted to fulfill some basic desires (like eating) and when that happens, the muscle power of the sex capable of exerting it will come back into vogue. And wouldn’t it be nice if the man behind the plow had some gal cooking while he’s doing the back forty? Wouldn’t it be nice for the gal doing the cooking to have that sturdy specimen doing the heavy lifting? Watch for old-fashioned sex roles and division of labor to follow close in.
“So I think JHK is right, the future world will resemble a world that isn’t long past.” –volodya
Yeah. And wasn’t Japan supposed to be medieval by now? LOL.
PS. There are six major genders. Two sexes. Get over it.
Six major genders. Many more genders exist, which, if you had bothered to get a Social and Cultural Analysis degree you would know. Genders are represented by different names and individuals have the right to choose their gender identity, which is fluid, after all:
Agender / Androgyne / Androgynous / Bigender / Cis / Cisgender / Cis Female / Cis Male / Cis Man / Cis Woman / Cisgender Female / Cisgender Male / Cisgender Man / Cisgender Woman / Female to Male / FTM / Gender Fluid / Gender Nonconforming / Gender Questioning / Gender Variant / Genderqueer / Intersex / Male to Female / MTF / Neither / Neutrois / Non-binary / Other / Pangender / Trans / Trans* / Trans Female / Trans* Female / Trans Male / Trans* Male / Trans Man / Trans* Man / Trans Person / Trans* Person / Trans Woman / Trans* Woman / Transfeminine / Transgender / Transgender Female / Transgender Male / Transgender Man / Transgender Person / Transgender Woman / Transmasculine / Transsexual / Transsexual Female / Transsexual Male / Transsexual Man / Transsexual Person / Transsexual Woman / Two-Spirit
The world has passed you by, old cis-gendered man.
Haha, lots of words, Little Jane.
Let’s boil it down to two:
Freak Show.
Careful, brh, or I’ll sick my cats on you! LOL!
Who the fuck is Little Jane?
You!
You’re Little Jane, Janet, Asoka et. al.
Jim has already booted you off this board a half dozen times, under about a dozen names.
You’re like the guy who gets kicked out of the local bar, then tries to sneak back in by wearing a Groucho Marx mask.
Cooped up all day with 15 cats and a case of boxed wine, shades drawn, TV flickering with with the sound off, sitting at the computer, mourning liz Warren’s and Bernie Sandals demise, and fuming about President Trump.
Brh
Allow me to edit for clarity:
Males, Females, Freaks
Deep down, you know it is true. No wall of text on a message board will change nature.
Join those of us who live in truth. You will feel much better.
Yes, large strong looking people will be given heavy work to do. They will do it or else. They will almost invariably be male or men or people with penises or peni.
The weak will serve the strong unless they have something special to offer like good cooking, sex, and the ability to bear offspring. Put all three together and you have a winner who can attract big, strong winners.
Trump’s stock market performance reminds me of the ones that rocked stocks in 1929, 1987 and 2008. Another day, another 1,000-point drop for the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
The Dow which Trump has bragged about and taken credit for, has closed up or down more than 1,000 points six times during the past 12 days.
As we enter a BEAR MARKET and a recession, Mr. Trump can kiss his election chances in November good-bye.
Certainly not a good indicator. But markets are heavily manipulated, so down today could well equal thrice up tomorrow. Besides, where exactly is all that money going to go? It’s in the market for a reason. There’s nowhere else to go for decent returns.
“Besides, where exactly is all that money going to go?” –ellipsis
Pay attention, ellipsis. You cannot eat money, but it can go to purchase land, and adobe bricks to build a house, and farming equipment, and off-the-grid energy sources, and independence and survival no matter what happens to the markets.
Pay attention, wpa-ccc, that’s not where stock market money is going to go. You keep trying to impose your biases on the world at large, and that’s obviously not working out for you, is it? Market money is essentially casino money, and market players are looking to make a killing with it. The major players already have all the hard assets they could ever need, so that’s not even a concern for them. As major players and by definition “winners” in the global economy, they obviously don’t share the whole doomer vibe of this blog, either.
The return of your principle is far more important than the return on your principle.
You sound like you are rooting for the plague to spread so Trump is defeated, because that is what is causing the economic impact, not Trump. You are as sick as Bill Maher on HBO asking for a recession to knock out Trump. You both do not give a single damn about how many people you hurt to achieve your hate filled singular aim.
The virus subsides, the market recovers in the summer and you will be bitching the whole time.
If the virus subsides!
Trump has defeated himself. No need to root for plague.
Just read a report on what China did to slow the advance of Covid19.
They put everybody in their homes and locked all the doors. Everything is being delivered by messengers in hazmat suits. No travel, no grocery stores, no dinners out, no buses, trains. It is in government controlled lockdown.
Fear of this virus may undo centuries of liberalization. If governmental control of people is the aim, than this virus is going to forward that goal considerably. Countries with more freedom than China may not be able to fight this without locking down and removing freedoms. Italy is the first.
Until the Dems come up with a viable candidate, Trump will be re-elected. America is not stupid enough yet to elect Biden or Sanders. Give it a few more years of open borders and lousy liberal universities and we may get there, but not yet!
Congratulations – you packaged all your prejudices and paranoia into one neat bundle there.
Just read a report on what China did to slow the advance of Covid19.
Source of this report?
They put everybody in their homes and locked all the doors. Everything is being delivered by messengers in hazmat suits. No travel, no grocery stores, no dinners out, no buses, trains. It is in government controlled lock-down.
It sounds totally unrealistic – hence the source of the ”story” would be useful.
Fear of this virus may undo centuries of liberalization.
How so? They said the same about abolishing slavery, giving women the vote, the New Deal, and probably Walt Disney for all I know.
If governmental control of people is the aim
Any evidence that this is the “aim” of government? In most cases governments have neither the resources nor the competence to control the population long term.
Countries with more freedom than China may not be able to fight this without locking down and removing freedoms. Italy is the first.
So what do you want? More effective fighting of the virus, or not? I would respectfully suggest that ineffective responses to the pandemic based on some fruit-loop concern for “rights” (that aren’t being threatened anyway – other than in the minds of the Idaho-compound crowd) is far greater threat to happiness, freedom, and way of life.
And in any case – lock-down measures are temporary, and they are accepted and complied with because people know they are, and because it is common sense that they are for the good.
Until the Dems come up with a viable candidate, Trump will be re-elected. America is not stupid enough yet to elect Biden or Sanders.
They were stupid enough to vote for Trump (well they didn’t really – he won in a rigged game).
I think Uncle Joe’s biggest mistake was not running in 2016 – he might well have won then. And if he becomes the candidate this time, he’ll win easily. Trump has been a total disaster – and even a lot of red-hatters are turning on him.
Remember Big Red? Chris Christie put her in quarantine after her trip to Africa. She was outraged: I helped little Black kids and I’m better than you, was her attitude. We were getting in the way of her victory lap! Ebola be damned. What is that with getting the applause that she had coming?
And Nancy Snyderman who broke her self imposed quarantine to get her favorite soup down the street. How very petty she was, eh? But this is modern Western Humanity. They won’t do the right thing without be forced.
Cargill, it never ceases to amaze me about your inability to think anything but your little mindset.
What I reported was what was in the article. I tried to find it again and it was gone.
China even said that people staying at home was what has almost stopped the spread.
Talking to a person like you is like talking to a wall, except maybe the wall is more coherent.
Autocracy has been a boon to China in this fight. My comments said that we may have to become autocratic to try to fight it also.
If you do not like that statement, tough!
What is your health care background that makes you such an expert?
WHO, CDC and other health organizations are so far ineffective at stopping the spread. China has passed peak supposedly, but no one can say why? We know almost nothing about this virus. We are moving away from containment into mitigation techniques as containment is not helping much as the plague spreads.
The House is putting out a spending bill tomorrow to cover the costs of fighting the plague and also to reduce the financial impact on the public. It should go through with no problem. They will be back for more, this fight is just starting.
I feel for the doctors and nurses and hospital staff on the frontlines. IMHO they are going to have to help people out too if they plan to keep people at home for weeks on end.
Attrition of the health care workers is a number one issue. With less to go around, care will suffer.
No one can say why?
Read the above. Total repudiation of freedoms in the hot zone is the answer.
The entire planet doesn’t even know when they’re being taken for a ride.
Led by their noses
Buried in infotainment blue screens.
Orchestrated global correction
Pandemic all right
You keep trying to impose your biases on the world at large, and that’s obviously not working out for you, is it? –ellipsis
ellipsis, it is working out swimmingly. My biases are shared by a strong majority of the American people. Americans now support a progressive agenda.
The American people are deeply concerned about the grotesque levels of income and wealth inequality in this country.
The American people believe it is time for the wealthy and profitable corporations to be paying their fair share.
The American people understand that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage and that it is time to raise it to a living wage of $15 an hour – nothing less.
The American people understand that if our kids are going to make it into the middle class, we must make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition free.
The American people understand that we cannot continue a cruel and dysfunctional health care system where we are spending twice as much per capita as any other nation, yet 87 million of our neighbors remain uninsured and underinsured.
And, ellipsis, that last point is becoming more and more obvious to the American people as we face the challenge of the coronavirus. Imagine a pandemic where 87 million people have a difficult time going to a doctor.
The American people understand that climate change is an existential threat to our planet and we need to transform our energy system away from fossil fuels.
The American people understand that we need to transform our broken and racist criminal justice and immigration system that locks up four times as many people as communist China and leaves millions here at home living in fear.
I am winning. My progressive values are now shared by the majority of Americans.
Ha! We will talk the day after Election Day. Your party better find a way to make Biden be coherent.
“Ha! We will talk the day after Election Day.” –JohnAZ
I would like that talk on Nov. 4, assuming the vote count is not contested in court.
It is a bit premature to assume Biden is the candidate. There are lots more primary contests and debates and a convention before we know. The media coronation of Biden may be wrong.
Hello, wpa. As I’ve said before, you do make some good points, particularly on income inequality, health care and corporations. However, I think that you and Bernie and the Left in general go too far with your proposals.
The bounce back would be much too high, far higher than the see-sawing from Clinton to Bush, Bush to Obama, and even Obama to Trump. Trump to Bernie might have happened if Bernie were more moderate and thus more electable. So with Biden we’re back to something more like Trump to an Obama with less mental ability and less charisma but with a little more ‘white’.
“all the Blacks are voting Biden. He will be the third Black President.” –janos
We have yet to have an Afro-American president. Obama’s father was Kenyan and his mother was white. Stacey Abrams may be our first 100% truly Afro-American president. She will do a better job than Trump.
Uh-huh.
She couldn’t even win her election.
You know it’s one thing when Trump says the number of cases is 15 going to 0. It’s one thing to say everything is going to be fine, stay calm, in spite of a 6,000 point drop in the Dow, 20%, the fastest in history. But when your administration is responsible for not having the tests ready when South Korea, Italy and a host of other countries did and you have no idea how many people are sick because you have no test, well that’s hutzpah. People who seem fine are carriers and spreading it like wildfire because there is no test to tell them to stay home. That’s genius man. Or madness. Take your pick.
It is madness to think that any government can run much of anything right. When the political pressure says cut, cut, cut because of spend, spend, spend policies over the past and an impossible to repay debt, what exactly do you expect. Where were all the experts when Medicare and Medicaid were cutting the hospitals’ revenues? Where were all you experts when they were cutting the CDC and NIH budgets last year. Oh wait, there was not a plague destroying the world. Hindsight is so 20/20.
Why did we cut funding for continued development of a SARS vaccine?
National health care would help with the costs of this pandemic, but as Europe is currently showing, it would not help with fighting the spread of the virus.
Self isolation is the only protection from spreading it. China has shown that!
We have great moral decay at the root of our institutions. Why initiate a national health care program when the pharmaceutical and health care industry is rotten to the core? Nationalization will only change the venue – the bad actors will still prevail. We ought to prevent big pharma from charging us outrageous amounts for drugs – and don’t say they’re just trying to re-coup their R&D costs, because they charge other countries a lot less than us; the rest of the world ought to pay the same as we do. Also, hospitals need to post their charges before treatment and have uniform charges for every procedure, not allow vastly different rates for Medicare and non-Medicare patients.
Fixing the greed and corruption of the medical/pharma industry would also cut down America’s budget deficit by a large margin. No need for a single-payer system.
Think about the corruption showing up today in DC. Just thinking about the Deep State controlling healthcare gives me the shudders. End result, less service more taxes.
Right now, the Deep State IS controlling health care.
I read that in China there is a rumor circulating that the Coronavirus originated in the US and was brought to China. I suppose it was by the Deep State.
Yes there is. Only then can you sever the corrupt tentacles between the insurance companies and medical/pharma. Our government would dictate to medical/pharma, not the other way around.
Medical/pharma has corrupted the government, too. That’s why the industry can flaunt anti-trust laws so blatantly. Readers here don’t trust Congress. It would be madness to let the government run health care.
Maybe I’m too Panglossian. Clean, honest government is hard to come by. But you have to try, and getting insurance companies out of the way is a huge first step. You have to work at it. Are there no good people left?
Honest, competent, and strict oversight is also possible. Has human nature proved itself so despicable that it now destroys any hope of making things better? It may have proved deserving of our cynical unease, of our lack of faith in our institutions, but can’t that be changed?
Maybe not. Yeah, maybe you’re right. Not that many great men or women around.
I’m sorry but Trump has failed to grasp the gravity of this situation. It shows in so many ways, both great and small. He will not cancel his rallies. What will it take? A 50% infection rate post one of them. He himself getting infected? What? He won’t stop shaking hands. He reminds me of Leslie Neilson in “Police Academy,” where the whole block is going up in flames and he’s out in front saying “Move along now. Nothing to see here. Everything is perfectly normal.” Explosions punctuate his exhortations, like gruesome periods in a blood-stained obituary. The first rule of holes is when you’re in one, STOP DIGGING. When the world sees him throw his shovel out of his hole, then and only then will things stabilize. Will he? My money is on no. He’d have to admit he’s wrong, something he is incapable of, something his image is incapable of.
Sure it would be better if he ran around the White House like his pants were on fire, triggering a coast to coast panic.
Trump goes on national television and talks to the nation like a 3rd grader forced to recite the Gettysburg address at Thanksgiving dinner. Trump looked annoyed that this little virus had the temerity to rain on his administration’s paradise. “Little Corona has come to our shores. It has poor ratings, is unloved by all, and panders to the Democrats. It’s a disgrace.” That’s what he wanted to say.
Sure it would be better if he ran around the White House like his pants were on fire, triggering a coast to coast panic.
The whole point of being a decent president – in fact being any sort of president – is to get the balance right. To outline truthful facts – to provide calm where calm is required, and to provide sobering words when fear is possible.
The BFOB has completely screwed the pooch on all these fronts – all basics in his job description … he politicised everything, he mis-states everything … he claims a Democrat hoax … he claims it’s no big deal … he does everything wrongly.
Thanks goodness I didn’t vote for him. Those of you who did have some tough splainin’ to do to your grandkids, that’s for sure.
You didn’t vote for him because you can’t.
🙂
WPA
Read article in today’s Washington Post
“First China, then Italy. What the US needs to learn from extreme Coronavirus lockdowns”
Then take your above objections and flush them. You do not know what you are talking about!
Sorry should be directed at Cargill not WPA.
They are not two, but rather one. Their name? Legion.
ARE YOU FREAKING SH*TTING ME?!?!?!?
This cannot be real, but apparently is . . .
Federal Reserve to Offer $270 Billion in Loans to Wall Street Tomorrow
By Pam Martens and Russ Martens: March 11, 2020 ~
The little people in America will have to continue to wait to hear any concrete plans for their government to provide financial relief to them for business disruptions resulting from the coronavirus. But Wall Street banks and their sprawling trading desks got the word today that the Fed’s money gusher (repo loans) that began on September 17 of last year will offer them up another $270 billion in cold hard cash at unprecedented low interest rates tomorrow.
THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE THE BANKS MORE THAN A QUARTER-OF-A-BILLION DOLLARS FOR
ONE
SINGLE
DAY!?!??!?!?
Have we reached the height of insanity yet?
That is a rhetorical question.
Sorry, OVER A QUARTER-TRILLION DOLLARS A DAY.
THAT’S COMPLETELY INSANE.
We are on “The Road To Ruin” and driving towards “The Death Of Money”. By James Rickards.
Read JHKs new book. You will not be shocked by anything that may happen.
What’d you think, they’d send you a check? I’m still looking for that check in my mail from the Great Recession. Alas, every time I think it’s there, it’s a car dealer or debt consolidation worm trying to get me to borrow more. You’re on your own in America, unless Bernie gets in, but that’ll never happen. America take a handout? For shame. Only farmers would do something so loathsome.
There is actually a bill being worked up in the house to help individuals get through this, supposed to be out tomorrow.
I’d like to get ahold of some of that free swag for myself. But how?
Uhh… you have to demonstrate damages caused directly or indirectly by the Corona Virus.
Oh
That counts me out then
I guess this is why the US can’t afford M4A.
Stand by, stand by, message from Joe Biden:
“What the f#ck are you lookin’ at? Don’t f#ck with me! I’ll kick all your asses.”
“You’re full of sh#t., you dog face pony soldier.”
-end message
@editorial comment: a certain percentage of people grow increasingly combative as they age.
Biden/Abrams 2020
We’ze ridin with Biden
Stacy Abrams is drivin
Brh
Well, we all know that we’d all rather
have the Orange Bloated Whale in charge.
Don’t you think?
He’s sooooo brilliant —
“The Greatest Economy Ever”
“The Greatest President Ever”
“The Greatest Stock Market Ever”
And on
And on
And on.
Hope JHK has a great Apologistic response
to this Orange Fool Ever.
But, that is going to be a long, long, long wait.
JHK doesn’t admit his fallacies readily.
Too bad.
He’s getting ready, working himself up to the Trump/Biden brawl.
Probably hitting the heavy bag and doing road work behind Stacy.
What fighting name shall we give him?
Jim
Hits
Killer-hard.
(This time around)
Go for them JHK,
they Need your guidance.
They really do.
That’s a good question TS.
We need to come up with one.
All those questions Bernie put to Biden… well, Trump is going to have to answer them, too. Why after four years has Trump not gotten an infrastructure bill passed? Where is Trump’s replacement plan for Obamacare? They’ve taken 50 votes to eliminate Obamacare but never propose a replacement.
Have you fed your cats?
have u?
Hand sanitizer is in the news, “WASH YOUR HANDS” but I’m trying to figure out, just what are the weapons capabilities of hand sanitizer? We have a strange case in Hartford, a five story apt house burned down the other night — it was a total loss, one dead, a half dozen in ICU, hundreds left homeless … it was arson as one might expect, the result of a domestic situation, a black lesbian couple having some disagreement — hey nobody ever said it was going to be easy — one of the combatants by name of Destiny fashioned a napalm like substance out of hand sanitizer (according to police), throwing it at her partner it apparently exploded upon contact with a hard surface, eventually setting the whole complex on fire. I’d like to know if the hand sanitizer was mixed with anything — maybe gasoline — to help it explode — or is hand sanitizer unstable all on it’s own? One has to ask, did Destiny (mugshot shows fierce looking lesbian) have training in chemical warfare, and where might she have gotten this training. CFNers, treat that bottle of hand sanitizer you spent 9 hours in line at Costco to get, with caution.
This pandemic is playing out in strange and unexpected ways.
Brh
Brh
AND San Francisco’s “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” have cancelled their annual Easter “Hunky Jesus” contest because of the Coronavirus. That’s something to be thankful for at least.
Jen in Salt Lake
Washing your hands with soap and hot water for at 20 seconds is all you really need. If you want hand sanitizer, make your own: one fourth aloe Vera gel and three quarters 91% isopropyl alcohol mixed together.
Or get a still, produce pure methanol and water it down to 91%, then proceed.
Somebody just told me the same today, Beantown, only they added that after washing hands with bar soap use a moisturizing cream to seal it in.
“Washing your hands with soap and hot water for at 20 seconds is all you really need.”
yep..
when I first started working for the hospital I was told to sing the Happy Birthday song, and that was about how long you were supposed to wash your hands lol
And now they’re singing it on TV items on coronavirus hygiene.
Even more royalties for the song that’s earned more than any other…
https://www.therichest.com/the-biggest/12-highest-earning-songs-of-all-time/
“Today, Happy Birthday brings in a reported $5000 a day, $2 million a year in royalties. The cost of using the song in a movie or on TV is $25,000. It is actually against the law to sing Happy Birthday in a large group of unrelated people such as at an office party. The song has brought in an estimated $50 million.”
wow!
Maybe it’s all for the best. Remember, when Durin woke, he walked alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSFN2r6bXY
Pay attention to events at the Greece — Turkey border. The fate of the west hangs in the balance … its Thermopylae in the 21st century.
No. The stars were always there. In his slumber and when he awoke too.
26. Then saith the prophet and slave of the beauteous one: Who am I, and what shall be the sign? So she answered him, bending down, a lambent flame of blue, all-touching, all penetrant, her lovely hands upon the black earth, & her lithe body arched for love, and her soft feet not hurting the little flowers: Thou knowest! And the sign shall be my ecstasy, the consciousness of the continuity of existence, the omnipresence of my body.
27. Then the priest answered & said unto the Queen of Space, kissing her lovely brows, and the dew of her light bathing his whole body in a sweet-smelling perfume of sweat: O Nuit, continuous one of Heaven, let it be ever thus; that men speak not of Thee as One but as None; and let them speak not of thee at all, since thou art continuous!
28. None, breathed the light, faint & faery, of the stars, and two.
29. For I am divided for love’s sake, for the chance of union.
30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all.
from the Book of the Law. Is it not Beautiful? And is not Beauty, Truth?
Sometimes!
Yes, it is so very beautiful.
Have they figured out yet what drug was used tonight to zombify Fat bastard’s speech delivery?
Don’t read what this link provides if your sphincter is already struggling.
Shutting down flights from Europe for a month. Are you shitting me!!!!?
Are they going to stack them up at the airports, cram them into all the soon to be utterly empty tourist hotels or what?
https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
Have they figured out yet what drug was used tonight to zombify Fat bastard’s speech delivery?
Poor bloke can’t even read a teleprompter. Drugged? Or just cognitive decline? He doesn’t look healthy. I am praying for him.
Sure you are, Little Jane.
Asian markets are down signaling another bad day tomorrow for US markets. Like W said: This sucker could go down. But the Fed is going for fiscal stimulus (imitating Obama), budget deficits, and socialism for the rich. Socialism is OK when Republicans do it.
fiscal stimulus is ludicrous – like thinking if you beat a staggering sick beast of burden it will enable it to carry on with more vigor.
All fiscal stimulus is at this time is a blood transfusion to keep some alive who is otherwise going to bleed out. The blood for the transfusion coming from everyone standing around watching the soon to be corpse flopping.
Get ready kiddies, this is the start of the Long Emergency in earnest it appears. Now Boeing has years to fix the 737 before anyone gives a rat’s ass.
But reinflating the debt bubble(s) we must. At this point, there simply are no other options.
The ASX (Sydney Stock Market) down another7% today – where is the bottom to all this?
Meanwhile Tom Hanks and wife Rita Wilson have tested positive to coronavirus on Australia’s Gold Coast.
And how low can the big fat orange bastard sink – he’s now calling it a “Chinese virus” and a “foreign virus” – appealling to the xenophobic base … it’s awful.
And it’s a bit hard to tell whether he’s on Adderall or Mogadon when he barely reads the autocue – possibly he’s on both.
Why is it a xenophobic appeal to call the virus a foreign Chinese virus? Isn’t that where it originated or do you have convincing evidence otherwise? The Chinese refer to it as Wuhan Pneumonia anyway so you might want to check your White Lib Privilege.
Better not tell Donald about ‘Spanish’ flu, eh?!
The Spanish have been very magnanimous about that one. 🙂
I don’t think Donald would manage that level of magnanimity.
Everything from America is bigger – they told us that as kids!
Bigger … and better,
Don’t forget it.
Kansas flu wasn’t better, except for the virus.
Uhh..I think that’s Texas.
Jim Acosta complains about Trump calling it a “foreign virus” on his address to the nation last night. Just a whiney little puke. What else is it if not a foreign virus? It seems a bit overly-critical to me but these parasites have nothing better to do than carp against the Great Trump. Ha-ha. Their existence is defined now by Orange Man.
Get ready kiddies, this is the start of the Long Emergency in earnest it appears.
Not necessarily – the stock market is a casino for risk-takers – its relationship to the real economy is tenuous at best.
Hasn’t the Long Emergency been going on for a long time now? Maybe its just that the urgency of the emergency is heating up. Seems like some really big changes are underway right now no?
No not necessarily.
Stock market? duh.
Real economy?? – the one shakily based on the health of banks who in turn need life support and have their fate inextricably linked to the formerly bleeding but now blood gushing fracking industry.
The supply of meds into this country down to a trickle and yer talkin’ about stock market? Stock market just highly visible token of much more critical things than .01% portfolios
He’s a foreigner so he’s not super worried about our medicine shortage predicament. It looks like Australia would let China occupy them at any moment anyhoo. But back to the medicine shortage. That’s why we need all of our production here. No more overseas ever. Is that an America First agenda item (sans Trump) that you support?
He’s a foreigner so he’s not super worried about our medicine shortage predicament.
I am an international contributor to this forum – no reason to go all xenophobic on me, or anyone else who didn’t happen to be born in Podunk Indiana (thank goodness).
And I mostly agree with you – I’m actually quite conservative and don’t like the degree to which Australia is selling the farm, allowing huge Chinese migration and investment, and basically becoming far less self-reliant and resilient.
I’m not a xenophobic white nativist about it – but I do worry about the direction of stuff quite a lot. So don’t write me off as some loony globalist deep-stater … I’m far from that, I can assure you.
Ok, I won’t write you off then.
If you start making all of your medicines in the US, you’ll need Medicare for all in order to have the clout it will take to stop the American pharma industry from making even more of a killing than they currently do at your expense. Currently you pay through the nose because the demand for their products comes from so many different entities. The NHS has more clout, so they hate it (so does Trump).
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drug-prices-in-2019-are-surging-with-hikes-at-5-times-inflation/
The prices of drugs are going up because the pharma industry has bought off the politicians. We do not need a single-payer system. We need a government that enforces it’s own, existing laws.
Well, I hope you get that then, beantown.
Stock market just highly visible token of much more critical things than .01% portfolios.
Are you really serious? Millions of Americans with a 401(k) and other retirement plans, plus hundreds or thousands of employer pension plans (especially public sector), have funds invested in equities.
And millions of other mom’n’pop investors have their (retirement) savings tied into equities, because almost all other forms of wealth creation and saving are returning virtually zero percent.
Lots of people can hurt when stock markets fall – but not as much as when dividends fall … so let’s hope that the “underlying fundamentals of the economy” remain sound.
I agree that the whole bank-fracker-pharma rackets are a pyramid sitting on its point.
so let’s hope that the “underlying fundamentals of the economy” remain sound.
LOL! Thanks for that! Best laugh I’ll have all day. Millions of Americans have resorted to what amounts to herd behavior to fund their “retirements.” That’s going to end just as badly as the underlying premise is ridiculous. The historical norm is about to be reset.
#StayTheFuckHome
https://staythefuckhome.com/
LOL!
I agree
I’m surprised no one has mentioned it yet. The NBA has postponed the rest of this season. I’ll bet Janos and Spike Lee will really be upset about this.
On another front I hear the big Ivies, Harvard, Yale and Princeton are all shutting down and Rutgers shuts tomorrow.
How surprised? Who give’s a rat’s ass about NBA?
How surprised? Who gives a rat’s ass about NBA?
I’m not a basketball fan either, but it is just a very high-profile example of the economic disruption that the coronavirus might cause.
There are huge dollars involved in the NBA – but there are trillions of dollars involved in a wide range of economic enterprises around the country that rely on the free movement and gathering of people.
I wonder how Las Vegas will fare? Mind you – most of the punters who go to Las Vegas are probably willing to take the risk.
Who give’s a rat’s ass about NBA? – Evelyn
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Obviously YOU don’t but a lot of people DO. Personally, I’m not terribly interested in the NBA but I DO like college B-ball and I’m wondering what will happen with March Madness season. Will that be shut down as well? Be that as it may there are billions and billions of dollars at stake in the NBA.
I’m hoping when this virus eventually runs its course the black NBA and college players will return to the courts with different coiffures. Right now they look silly as hell.
I’ll bet Janos and Spike Lee will really be upset about this.
//Rimshot// Ouch!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tom-hanks-wife-rita-wilson-012115497.html
Tested positive for the Corona Virus in Australia. Wilson? Was that whole Castaway movie by him a paen to her or just an extended advertisement for the Wilson Ball Company?
And over the past couple of weeks they have done lots of tourist and celebrity gigs – including Rita Wilson with an engagement at the Sydney Opera House.
We saw them at a Gold Coast beach restaurant in mid-January – fortunately they climbed into a limo and didn’t catch our public bus.
They could be victims … or they could be our first celebrity super-spreaders.
And its interesting too because I saw somewhere, I think it was on Bloomberg, that America has finally woken up to the threat of coronavirus because Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have fallen ill and the NBA has shut down their season. And I’m thinking, really? I guess worrying about family, friends and neighbors just doesn’t do. We must have celebrities to worry about all day.
wpa-ccc says, “I’m praying for him.”
BackRowHeckler says, “Sure you are, Little Jane.”
Psalms 109 has an example of imprecatory prayer:
“May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.”
I remember a line from “Fiddler on the Roof.” The rabbi was asked if there was a proper prayer for the Tsar. Answer: Bless the Tsar and keep him far away from us.
#StayTheFuckHome
A Movement to Stop the COVID-19 Pandemic
Our governments are failing us in preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and containing the COVID-19 pandemic. Slow reactions, public appeasement policies, and their urge to stabilize the economy are keeping them from taking the measures it takes to protect millions from this disease. It is time for us, as citizens of this earth, to take action now and do our part in fighting COVID-19.
Let’s put it bluntly: Stay The Fuck Home!
The Self-Quarantine Manifesto
With no well-studied treatment and a viable vaccine still being out at least another year, the only effective way to keep the coronavirus epidemic at bay is to give the virus less chances of spreading. The following list of actions, ordered from easiest to implement to most effective in the fight against the pandemic, should serve as a set of loose guidelines for people who wish to join the movement and take action, where the people in charge continue to neglect.
Don’t panic, but be alert.
Wash your hands often and practice good cough and sneeze etiquette.
Try to touch your face as little as possible, including your mouth, nose, and eyes.
Practice social distancing, no hugs and kisses, no handshakes, no high fives. If you must, use safer alternatives.
Do not attend concerts, stage plays, sporting events, or any other mass entertainment events.
Refrain from visiting museums, exhibitions, movie theaters, night clubs, and other entertainment venues.
Stay away from social gatherings and events, like club meetings, religious services, and private parties.
Reduce your amount of travel to a minimum. Don’t travel long distances if not absolutely necessary.
Do not use public transportation if not absolutely necessary.
If you can work from home, work from home. Urge your employer to allow remote work if needed.
Replace as many social interactions as possilble with remote alternatives like phone calls or video chat.
Do not leave your home if not absolutely necessary.
Please keep in mind there is no right or wrong amount of actions to take. Only take the actions that you feel comfortable with and that do not endanger your livelihood. Do not quit your job over this! However, keep in mind that every action helps.
Why it’s so Important
SARS-CoV-2 is a highly infectious and potentially deadly virus that causes a respiratory disease called COVID-19. You might know it under one of its many other names, including 2019-nCoV, novel coronavirus, Wuhan coronavirus, China or Wuhan flu, or just simply coronavirus. All of these refer to the same virus that this movement is trying to stop.
Over the past months and weeks, the virus and corresponding disease have been compared over and over to the influenza virus and the seasonal flu. Due to the overlap in symptoms and seemingly similar severity, this comparison comes naturally to a lot of people, however, looking at what we know so far about this new virus, the threat it poses to society is not easily brushed aside.
More Contagious Than the Flu
With an estimated R0 between 1.4 – 6.49 and a mean estimate of 3.28[1], SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious and spreads much faster than the seasonal flu, which has a median R0 of 1.28[2].
More Deadly Than the Flu
The so-called case fatality rate (CFR) of SARS-CoV-2 is estimated to be at around 2%[3], meaning that unfortunately, an estimated 2% of people getting diagnosed with COVID-19 will succumb to it. In comparison, the CFR of seasonal influenza is estimated to be around 0.1%[4], this means SARS-CoV-2 is estimated to be about 20 times more deadly than the seasonal flu.
Possibility of Severe Symptoms
An estimated 15 – 20% of infected individuals suffer from severe symptoms that require medical attention[5], including pneumonia with shortness of breath and lowered blood oxygen saturation.
No Treatment, No Vaccine, No Immunity
As SARS-CoV-2 has only recently emerged, there is no well-studied treatment for COVID-19 and more research is needed, in order to treat infected people efficiently. Likewise, there is no vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 yet[6] and the development of such vaccine will take a significant amount of time. With no vaccines and no prior and wide-spread immunity, anyone is a susceptible target for infection. While most infected people will only suffer from mild symptoms, this lack of herd-immunity can lead to severe illness in a significant amount of at-risk individuals.
Exponential Growth
Due to the lack of immunity to this new virus, the entire human population is the upper limit of possible infections. And although exponential growth always seems slow at first, it can lead to unfathomably high numbers in a rather short time. With the numbers of infected people currently doubling in a matter of a few days[7], our medical systems will be potentially overloaded, which will lead to higher numbers of fatalities, due to people not receiving the care they need.
By joining the movement and therefore limiting possibilities for new infections, you are not only protecting yourself, but you are also helping contain and limit the spread for everyone else, especially those who are at higher risk to suffer severe consequences from this virus.
If you care about this cause, please share it on social media, via e-mail or just tell your friends and family about it. But please, just #StayTheFuckHome.
Yeah well – all very nice, all very passionate, and all very sensible
But capital doesn’t work this way – the way the $$$ works is exactly what is happening – we won’t stop doing what we do, and making the money we do, until there are so many bodies on the floor that we can’t ignore it any more.
The NBA Cancellation is right on the cusp of this. The Formula 1 Race in Australia (Sunday) is not – it’s powering ahead..
That seems to be the Australian Government position as we speak.
But remember, if you do not have your health you really don’t have anything. Life is very fragile and we all know how easy it is to get sick. A reduction in your quality of life through sickness is not good. Life is best when your healthy. That matters a lot more than money. I know people need money because of our economy but if you aren’t healthy you will not be participating in the economy anyway. So in a pandemic everything has to be set aside as a priority if it isn’t about health and keeping as many of our herd from getting the virus as possible. If a significant portion of the herd is lost then there goes the family farm.
The Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix might well be cancelled today (Friday morning) … Team McLaren has withdrawn, with a team-member testing positive, and Lewis Hamilton has blasted the decision to hold it.
It has been cancelled – they get about 400,000 hyped up and beer-fuelled punters there … they’ll just crowd into pubs and make things much worse.
The head of the Ferrari Racing Team was inspecting their VIP Tent today (Thursday) at the Melbourne track. There was a beautiful shallow ramp for those requiring wheelchair access – this is a bog-standard requirement in Victoria for all places offering access.
The head of Team Ferrari said take it away or we’re leaving … and guess what we did?
You signaled your virtue?
We signalled our craven dollar-sucking position … we took the ramp away like the good obedient children that we are.
Don’t panic, but be alert.
Sounds like all the post-9-11 bullshit. As many of us know, that crisis was artificial as well.
If you see something , say something! Pretty soon the virus snitches will be out and about. I guess the old joke of wetting your hand and blowing a fake sneeze on to someones neck won’t be so funny anymore. I’ll give it a try today!
It’s not looking very artificial if your viewpoint is from a trolley in a corridor in an Italian hospital, struggling for breath while they allocate the respirator to someone more ‘viable’.
Individual mileage will vary, of course.
It will, ellipsis. As evidenced by the word ‘if’.
You can’t judge a man till you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. After that? Doesn’t matter – he’s a mile away and you’ve got his shoes. 🙂
You can’t judge a man till you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. After that? Doesn’t matter – he’s a mile away and you’ve got his shoes. ?
That’s pretty good, GA. Fortunately for me, I always keep plenty of shoes on hand, so he can keep his and I’ll just go lie down and take a nap. Sans shoes, of course.
Vegas has been hit.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-03-11/vegas-strip-tourist-from-new-york-tests-positive-for-virus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/voraciously/wp/2020/03/11/mgm-halts-its-vegas-buffets-amid-the-coronavirus-outbreak-and-others-are-doing-the-same/
Vegas may have to do what NYC is doing. Getting the mobile fridge units ready.
And I have a comp at the Palazzo in April. They say life is a gamble. But death is a sure bet. Should I go all in?
My little two cents would be no don’t go. I think by April it will be much more clear what we are really dealing with too. So you will have a little more time to consider that as well. And maybe instead plan a trip to a national park or somewhere in the outdoors. That way you aren’t cooped up with potential vectors.
That’s why I’m still planning to go to the Lake District, to a rented house, and in a rented car, in 10 days’ time. My planned trip to Spain later in the year can wait till next spring – if I’m still here…
I reckon walking in the fresh air can only be good for your lungs at this juncture. Casinos in Las Vegas not so much. 🙂
“I reckon walking in the fresh air can only be good for your lungs at this juncture. Casinos in Las Vegas not so much. ?”
Good for you, GA.. those poor people staring vacantly at the slot machine for 16 hours out of 24 are essentially dead already so..
That sounds nice and probably a much safer place to be rather than in the city.
“But death is a sure bet. Should I go all in?”
It’s not just about you. You might be fine but bring it back and kill a bunch of other more vulnerable people. Some of them might be related to you and you might wish you hadn’t.
Right you are, guys. Of course I won’t be going. I’m hurt, hurt I tell you, that you would think otherwise.
🙂
Nice touch.
I don’t know if there’s an emoji for ‘it’s OK I didn’t mean to have a go at you’, TS, but if there was one I wouldn’t know how to do it in WordPress!
The prices of drugs are going up because the pharma industry has bought off the politicians. We do not need a single-payer system. We need a government that enforces it’s own, existing laws.
Quite a conundrum, isn’t it? Do we want a government that’s already long since been completely infiltrated and taken hostage by the private sector that it allegedly seeks to regulate to actually enforce it’s own existing laws (truly a Gordian Knot if there ever was one), or do we want to devise a **system** that will do the heavy lifting for us, realizing that that system will still be implemented and enforced by that same completely corrupted public/private “government,” which has already proven to be hostile to our public interests?
Seems to me that the confusion point here is what exactly what do we mean by the word “government.” We think we mean a neutral arbiter who enforces the “will of the people” (there’s that sneaky old canard again!) for the “good of the people,” when in fact what we have is a completely corrupted, revolving door government of private interests enacting and enforcing (or not) their own regulations to enhance their own private interests at the expense of the people. And that, my friend, is a much tougher nut to crack altogether. No good answers even remotely on the horizon, either, I’m afraid.
Little Jane has been animated by the current crisis. She hasn’t been this active since Obama got elected back in 08.
True. My point is that the machinery to have a fair system is already in place. There is a way to get out of your conundrum though, but I won’t put it in writing. I think you know what I’m talking about.
Not sure I do. Total systemic collapse and die off is the only thing that comes to mind for me, but rebuilding after that is still a crap shoot. Either that or a kind and benevolent dictator. Not a lot of those to go around these days, though.
Bear market. Trading has stopped. Half of 401 k gains are gone. Thank you, idiot Trump. It took 267 days to get to a bear market in 2008. Trump crashed into bear market in 20 days.
Let’s be fair now and admit that no matter how stupid Trump’s policies have or haven’t been, he’s largely a victim of circumstances here. Although, you have to admit that his initial CV concerns being focused solely on the stock market was definitely not a good look. Quite clarifying as to what makes the old fat bastard tick, though, as if that wasn’t previously apparent. Bottom line: the market giveth, and the market taketh away. Anyone expecting long term gains for their retirement should have had their head examined long ago. This might not be the end of it, but it’s surely a sign of even greater things to come. Get out now while you still can.
”he’s largely a victim of circumstances here.” —
Really? The market is falling because Trump delivered (poorly) a prepared script which contained four false and/or confusing statements. His travel ban was announced without consulting European leaders. He blindsided them. He spoke 9 seconds on diagnostic kits.
Which of those “circumstances” are not Trump’s direct responsibility? He is a victim, yes, a victim of his own inability to communicate concisely, clearly, and truthfully. He is caught in a web of deceit of his own making. He has endangered the lives of millions of Americans and crashed the economy. He has lost any chance of re-election.
LOL! You’re obviously a true believer, so I won’t argue with you. Yes, he’s a buffoon and an idiot, but I’m not sure markets react that directly to any one person’s actions. They certainly haven’t had a problem with him up to this point, and to my mind at least, his actions have no more or less chaotic lately than they’ve ever been. A wise and steadying force on world events Trump is definitely not. We wanted a disruptor and that’s just what we’ve got.
True believer. LOL. Yes, I believe in calling a spade a spade.
One of many imbecilic things by tangerine turd is his attempt to make his demented true believers buy the story line the corona virus is Europe’s fault. Blaming them for not taking it seriously sooner than they did.
We are all watching some form of insanity springing into full bloom!!
Europe at fault for acting the way Trump did. No they didn’t, they took it much more seriously than fat boy did.
It wouldn’t have been like this under Obama.
Is MAGA time yet?
Bottom line: the market giveth, and the market taketh away. Anyone expecting long term gains for their retirement should have had their head examined long ago. This might not be the end of it, but it’s surely a sign of even greater things to come. Get out now while you still can.
I have a couple of issues here. Firstly, long-term stats show that equities provide the best return of any asset class (capital growth + annual dividends) – even now stocks are higher than five years ago.
Secondly, if you have good tolerance for a roller-coaster, you can ride out these huge plunges, whereas if you sold today, you would crystallise and therefore own forever the 30% loss of the past three weeks.
And thirdly, many people were driven to equities (and therefore a long-term trusting relationship with corporations) because almost other classes (cash, fixed interest, bonds, etc) were and are returning almost nothing.
It’s been much better to own shares in a bank than to put money in that same bank – basically for generations.
Nothing has changed so fundamentally to make a company that was “worth” $30 per share in January worth only $20 per share today – unless you’re directly impacted by the virus. (Unless you’re one of those who believes – and has believed for a long time – that the stock market is way over-priced, in which case why would you be in it at all?)
But if this coronavirus pandemic really goes the distance, and our economies really are damaged in ways that can’t be rebounded from – then we are in much deeper trouble.
Then it might be very handy to have a few well-watered acres, as James suggests, or at least a friend or relative who does.
You’re assuming that past performance over the past 75 years or so since WWII, and especially since 1972 and the end of the Gold Standard, and even MORE especially since 2008 and the massive Fed interventions to re-inflate the totally fraudulent asset markets, are indicative of similar performance in perpetuity. I make no such assumptions. Stock market valuations for what are in fact mere scraps of (now digital) paper in the secondary markets are totally illusory. They are what the next greatest fool says they are at the point of sale, no more, no less. But, as we’ve seen multiple times in the past, the faith in those valuations can vanish in an instant based on virtually anything or nothing at all. And that’s before we even get into massive market manipulation through split-second electronic algorithmic enabled insider trading, which very likely even the traders themselves don’t understand. Herd behavior and good old fashioned greed are the only rational explanations for what is otherwise totally irrational behavior among people who should certainly know better.
especially since 2008 and the massive Fed interventions to re-inflate the totally fraudulent asset markets, are indicative of similar performance in perpetuity
I understand what you’re saying of course, but I can only repeat a few things – we buy shares and never sell them, so most of ours (not all, and with a couple of spectacular falls of 40%) are still higher than the price we bought them.
We’re not going to sell them at a low point either.
We buy shares that over the medium term (five years or so) show a franked (already taxed) dividend of 4-5% or more. It’s a better rate than any other asset class – at least in Australia, and in general it is not wild risk-taking.
So in that respect, and while I think the stock market is massively rigged and manipulated, it isn’t in our case a hopeless Ponzi scheme. There are real companies out there in Kalamazoo making things that can return a modest profit, and therefore a dividend.
And while the coronavirus might prove to a be a real life-changer, it won’t necessarily wreck the economy. With the greatest respect to basketball, soccer, and Carnival Cruises, if they are stopped for a while – even a long while – their absence isn’t going to bring down capitalism.
You better get a new calculator If you have been in for ten years you are still up 150%, Knucklehead. How much money for cat kibble do you really need ?
Bear market. Trading has stopped. Half of 401 k gains are gone. – wpa
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You forgot to mention that trading was halted for 15 minutes, not forever. And where do you get the idea that “half” of 401k gains are gone? I’ve known you about 12 years and you have never been very good at math (or maths, as Green Alba would say).
you do not know him.
Bear market. Trading has stopped. Half of 401 k gains are gone.
Over what period are you measuring the gains, comrade?
Market reopened. Falling again. Trading freeze failed. 2000 points down. Welcome to Trump Recession. Welcome to President Biden in Nov.
Stalin, Molotov, Yagoda, Yezhov, and Beria would sit around watching the movie “Volga-Volga”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9KkWN4W167w
I take it you’ve been on a Russian history kick of late?
Actually, since Volga Volga was produced in 1938, then limit the audience to Stalin, Molotov, and Beria.
Well, I finished the book about Stalin. I’m not sure what I think about Stalin? I’m also not sure what I think of dancing the Gopak? I wonder why Stalin didn’t kill the Russian Jew Keplar for popping Stalin’s daughter’s ( Svetlana’s) Cherry as any self-respecting Georgian father would have done? Svetlana had the hots for Beria’s son. Beria kept a list of all of the women that he raped. It was not uncommon for Beria to rape a woman and then later have her arrested and executed.
Beria was a vegetarian who had a penchant for athletic women. Beria was given responsibility for the Soviet project to develop the A Bomb.
The Gopak….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrmIKf_PEM
Despots gotta despot. I imagine early 20th century Russia was a hard place to make a living in that line of work. Lots over looking over your shoulder while you still could and that kind of thing. Not unlike the early 21st century U.S.
Despots gotta despot.
Like potato chips, they can’t just eat one.
” I wonder why Stalin didn’t kill the Russian Jew Keplar for popping Stalin’s daughter’s ( Svetlana’s) Cherry ”
That’s three times. I hope you find an answer soon, Pucker, before it starts to affect your sleep. 🙂
Is this the book by Simon Sebag Montefiore? I love his writing and research. I’ve read his books on the Romanovs–also his book on the history of Jerusalem.
Jen in Salt Lake
He’s good. Just finished watching his ‘Blood and Gold – the Making of Spain’. I think this was its second run. Involved his family of course, who were murdered during the Inquisition.
Not all of them, obviously!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-overreacting-to-the-threat-of-the-coronavirus-may-be-rational/ar-BB113DM7?ocid=spartanntp
Winston Smith’s bosses would have been proud of this article……especially the title
Not anodyne analysis: We need to shut down these P4 bioweapons labs. And perhaps we need to do something about the psycho’s in government?
Stalin’s favorite movie: “Volga! Volga!”
Stalin’s favorite book: “Last of the Mohicans”.
The Fuhrer was a big fan of James Fenimore Cooper, too.
I see Cooper is off the reading list at most English departments at American Universities, as well as Washongton Irving, Melville, Shakespeare, Faulkner, Hemingway, Kerouac … all too white apparently.
The Fuhrer was a big fan of German Cooper acolyte Carl May, who never visited the American west but wrote popular novels about it. It seems the US frontier held a fascination for these European dictators.
Brh
Germans are still to this day by and large very interested in the American West.
Every one here knows the Winnetou films.
I didn’t write H_t__r because then I’d have to take a shot of Wild Turkey, stomach not up to it this morning.
Brh
Oh come on now! It might just knock out the CV, who knows?
You might be on to something there, Ellipsis.
A shot of whiskey, topped off by a dash of gunpowder, just might be what the doctor ordered.
COVID 19 ignorance.
But I have the cure.
https://chasingthesquirrel.com/
I just published ‘Pandemic’
Dare I ask what do youze all say?
I just published ‘Pandemic’
Dare I ask what do youze all say? – K-Dog
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Enjoyed your ‘Pandemic’ piece and noted your remarks on the cravenness of Trump as a political animal. I would suggest you read ‘The Great Influenza’ (mentioned by me and others recently) in which you will discover that the behavior and stupidity of politicians in 1918-1919 was as egregious as Trump’s, if not more so.
Good piece, K-Dog. You seem to have a reader in Kent. 🙂
How far do you think this bird will fly with a damaged engine?
All the way to the scene of the crash.
All of your cash is based on the good faith and standing of the United States and her credit worthiness. Might be time to book a flight on a Boeing 737 Max. Better hope your pension funds are not heavily into energy independance and the fracking industry. We are about to discover that bullshit is not money.
Dow down 26% this month and 14.6% this year, this ain’t muff diving!
Best talk to your neighbors even the the ones you deplore and forge a plan, we are about to test Mr. K’s hypothesis
96 million cases – 480,000 deaths, a happy projection from the American Hospital Association
Best part of all, it is not YOUR fault, who could have guessed
96 million cases – 480,000 deaths, a happy projection from the American Hospital Association. Worldwide or in the United States?.,
USA,
I tried to run the numbers -worldwide.
8 billion [roughly] w 3% fatality. 200-300 million dead, hospitals full, chaos.
It must gall Trump to no end knowing that if he had handled this the way Obama’s administration would have, it would have turned out so much better.
Has it worked Trumpsters? Is it MAGA time yet?
Did you watch his drugged out robotic speech last night, struggling to pronounce words he’s rarely seen in his entire lifetime for lack of ever reading books or anything with more pages than a golf score card, a golf card that by the end of the day’s tally shows a score 3 or 4 strokes short of the reality of what occurred during the course of the game, a game being conducted at your expense and no doubt being accompanied by toadies paying 50 or 100 times more per hole than non-ass-kissers conniving to persuade the fat one into making their businesses into virtually tax free enterprises by whatever mutant twist they can figure out to modify some regulatory law?
How long does this circuit breaker thing last for the stock market, I need to start losing more money?!
Is it MAGA time yet?!!!!
Since you are so well grounded in alternative history, Evelyn, why don’t you enlighten us just how the Obama administration would have handled the corona virus outbreak/epidemic/pandemic ?
Do your own research. Trump has been gutting preparedness programs like a frenzied throat slashing psychopath.
From June 2019……BEFORE Corona:
https://www.ifpma.org/global-health-matters/flu-can-cause-up-to-650000-deaths-a-year-globally/
I guess this doesn’t fit the narrative, but:https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415
If you threw a part of you day down the rat hole watching this bullshit video about all the myths related to corona virus you might want to have a peek at this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
Thanks, Evelyn – I just listened to that. He’s excellent. Learned some things about Lyme disease too and that Americans last year ate 170,000 (?) deer infected with BSE! Don’t know if Scottish deer have it.
Josh Rogan was funny with the sauna and macrobiotics questions, or rather with his disappointment that neither would do any good!
Hope you won’t have any problems with your medication supply.
I have three reasons now why I’ll be in the ‘leave her and give the respirator to this one’ queue! Hope I get it before or after the peak.
Thx GA, me 2
Himself is building your wall, SSL! Check this out…and come\|
https://youtu.be/fS9ERUreev8
Stress weakens the immune system. Laughter strengthens the immune system. So here are some Corona Virus jokes:
I know a great joke about Corona Virus, you probably won’t get it though.
A man walks into a bar and goes up to the bartender and says “I’ll have a Corona please, hold the virus”
I sneezed in the bank today, it was the most attention I have received in the last 10 years.
With all this talk of Corona Virus, the people who make sanitising gel are rubbing their hands together.
wpa,
How about;
Within the last two days I have seen, on various news channels, two healthcare professionals, one a doctor, suggest that now IS the time to panic.
No joke. On Tee Vee, and they said it with a straight face (both in response to the “keep calm, don’t panic” advise being pandered).
I, myself, will not panic, but I MIGHT begin a chronicle…a first person account of the travails that will occur…gonna call it Journal of the Plague Years…but only if the name has not been used defo….
A real life Canticle for Leibowitz? What did the artifact say? “…pound pastrami, can kraut….”
Imagine, a collapse of civilization under the hammer blows of disease, unworkable economics, environmental degradation, resource depletion, and the remnants of your journal as a source of wonder for scholars in the far future, maybe providing raptures for followers of the religious movement based on your writings.
And The Lord was displeased with the iniquity of His peoples. And he declared to his prophet (you) that he would smite them with pestilence and malady. And his prophet (you) pleaded with The Lord, please Lord God, they knoweth not what they do. Would you stay your mighty hand for the sake of 100 good men?
But The Lord was not fooled. And he sayeth to his prophet (you), one of your predecessors pulled that trick. Do you take me for a fool?
And so plague was upon the land and there was great lamentation and rending of garments and gnashing of teeth…
Imagine, a collapse of civilization – volodya
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Good spoof piece, vol.
For myself, I’m thinking the CoronaVirus will be worthy of a memoir chapter heading at minimum.
Just yesterday, as the family patriarch, I felt a need to text some helpful words. I said “Calm down everybody, we’re NOT all gonna die! We’re becoming frantic, paranoid and neurotic. Hell, nobody’s even got the sniffles yet !!!”
My daughter responded, “But dad, frantic, paranoid and neurotic. is the Shtik family’s brand LOL.
Keep calm and carry on:
https://www.google.com/search?q=keep+calm+and+carry+on+poster&rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA892CA892&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFpMnhzpXoAhWXknIEHVUfDb0Q_AUICigB#imgrc=f89GA_8-fBW75M
Gold and silver are tanking too.
Only thing up is bitcoin.
What gives?
Backrow, Bitcoin what? It’s down almost 20 % in 24 hours. Worst sell off in 7 years. Whatta ya “pumpin” the market?
Nah, last I looked it was up 5% today.
Ok I agree Bitcoin is up and Bernie Sanders is not a Socialist.
https://www.coindesk.com/price/bitcoin
Only thing up is bitcoin. – BRH
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Where do you get that idea? In one month bitcoin is DOWN from $10,000 to $6,100……… in round numbers.
DJIA COLLAPSING. now.
Rumor form Russia, no gold for sale there.
I was at the busiest Costco in LA or even in So Cal today..its insane.
oops..From not form.
Fed pumped another 200 billion into short term funding for banks. Big demand apparently, well in excess of funding actually supplied.
So the stock market is in the crapper. But what’s cookin’ with debt markets which dwarf the stock market, and what’s going on in derivatives markets?
Why the big demand from banks for liquidity?
Yeah, instead of “where have all the flowers gone?”, Where has all the money gone? And they say there’s a world-wide shortage of dollars. What good is having a trillion of something if that something is worthless?
Bank Holiday avoidance.
I’ve quietly withdrawn $9,000 a day for the last three weeks. Am I alone in thinking cash in hand might be a little better than cash in the imagination.
Good for you Eve, that’s $189K. Most people have less than $500 in the bank or something like that.
At the Tehran Conference in 1943, Churchill remarked that the Allies would defeat the Fascists because they have God on their side. Stalin got angry and retorted that the Soviet Union had Satan on its side.
Stalin claimed that his biological father was a priest.
So Stalin was not a Christian? He went to the monastery for free food?
I felt bad this morning. Do I have It? Probably not – no respiratory stuff at any rate. Just sore throat, dizzy, chills, runny nose at times, etc. Feel better now, but it comes and goes. Concerning since rare for me in recent years. Bad timing in terms of what’s happening of course. The old devil Hypochondria is having a field day….
Probably seasonal allergys Janos. Don’t eat yer shotgun yet.
Tanks, buddy.
I’ve been having off & on sneezing yesterday & day before but say ‘la V,’ not sweating it. I take 8,000 i.u. of vitamin D3 daily. This keeps one in tip-top condition.
That’s good. I heard that it’s good to take vitamin D supplements too just in general and it was also mentioned as something you can take to try to build your immunity up against the virus.
I’ve been doing this for years. It keeps my serum D3 in 65 ng/mL range. Most people don’t get enough D3. My doctor advised against it. Standard medical advice is <2,000 i.u./per day, just so you know. Maybe not a good idea in the long run = kidney stones.
8000 iu is too high. I take 1000 iu and I’m fine. Bad side effects eventually if you keep doing it. D is not water soluble so it stays in your body.
As you say, D is not water soluble. No one really knows how much is too much. My brother was advised to take 50,000 i.u. by his primary, but only for a short time period to build up his serum level. Some study suggested over 10,000 long-term is too much, but I haven’t researched it recently. I have cut back at times. Probably should look into again.
I take 8,000 i.u. of vitamin D3 daily. – Tate
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Hahaha. My son is touting Oregano Oil.
I say, make ‘the sign of the cross’ 3 times while drinking very hot English Breakfast tea. The C-Virus won’t stand a prayer.
yes, essential oils. In ‘News of the Weird’ I read how someone drank a small bottle of an oil [1 ounce?] and died from kidney failure.
Strong stuff, those concentrated oils.
“won’t stand a prayer.”
Q,
You old devil. Mixed metaphor?
I take 8,000 i.u. of vitamin D3 daily. This keeps one in tip-top condition.
What’s wrong with going out in the sunshine for half an hour a day? I can say that easily of course, living in a tropical / sub-tropical place.
One school of thought is ‘take one Vitamin and you create deficiency in others’—Just heard that, again..
Youtube, Dr Berg on Vitamin C.
Oh no! Ok, so what you really want to pay attention to is any fever. So try to take your temperature every so often but not too much because I know exactly what you are talking about. I have literally made myself be sick when I’m not really sick at all. So just try to relax as much as possible. You so completely have this. So the main symptoms for the virus they say is fever, a dry cough and shortness of breath. Soar throat can be part of that equation from what I hear but those three symptoms I see everywhere across the board almost. Dizzy and runny nose could be regular cold / flu symptoms. So at this point behave in a way as if you have a cold. Try to eat hot soups and drink hot tea and try to take in a lot of protein so like chicken noodle soup is good. And try to self-isolate as much as you can.
“‘Soar’ throat ”
Is that what opera sopranos get? 🙂
“‘Soar’ throat ” – GA
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Please advise, when you make these gentle corrections does our host ever email you and say “KNOCK IT OFF?” He does me. Only rarely can I slip in a correction without him noticing.
Maybe he doesn’t because you’re better than me at putting a comedic spin on it. ‘Sopranos – “soar” throat’
she does not like to be corrected..she had a hissy fight with me over which land has the most old folks.
malthuss – wtf? You were being obscenely obtuse and still wrong.
Exactly, Q. I tend to do it when it’s funny – funny to me anyway. So, I don’t take that to be having a go at the person, but just enjoying the pun or whatever.
Note that SSL said the other day she was surprised that I didn’t notice she’d typed ‘cororna’ instead of ‘corona’. Of coursed I’d noticed. It was a typo – no humour in it so not appropriate to comment, as far as I’m concerned. I wouldn’t presume.
I did mention ‘boarders/borders’ to someone the other day but that was because he is quite an aggressive poster and had been particularly personally unpleasant on more than one occasion. So I gave into temptation!
Re your question, I wouldn’t dream of divulging private communications, were there any. 🙂
“she does not like to be corrected..she had a hissy fight with me over which land has the most old folks.”
Malthuss, try to let it go.
I’ve just been listening to the news and the reporter mentioned that Italy has the oldest population in the world apart from Japan. 🙂
Twenty three percent of Italians are over 65, he continued. There you have it.
And I did not at any point say Italy had ‘the most old folks’. I said it had the second oldest population. A distinction which you persist in finding confusing. A confusion which I persist in finding mystifying.
*Gave in to temptation*… Sorry, Q, I know you find my self-correction annoying! I will try not to…but ‘into temptation’ looked as if it fell out of the Lord’s Prayer. 🙂
Good to hear. I just bought some good quality chicken soup.
Are you a Hypochondriac too? I’ve fought it back to a large extent as well.
Good! Are you feeling ok now? I can be a hypochondriac sometimes but I have fought it back mostly as well. I probably clean a bit too excessively if that’s a thing and I never leave food or drinks in cups just sitting out for too long. Seeing dustlight creeps me out too much to allow me do so.
The old devil Hypochondria is having a field day…. – Janos
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I’m surprised a person like you would suffer with Hypochondria what with an infinity of heavenly bliss awaiting you in the afterlife. Haha, if only, huh?
The body wants to live. It also has a consciousness of a kind.
“Mortal mind” as Mary Baker Eddy called it. This mind is blended with my immortal one, causing it trouble.
As the detective told the blind girl in the movie “Red Dragon”: He (Gumb) wasn’t a freak, he had a freak on his back.
Thus did St Seraphim of Sarov walk around with heavy rocks in his back: “I trouble him who troubles me”.
Too bad you won’t escape from your sins by ceasing to exist! It’s not that easy. You have to really, really work at committing suicide. It’s not just killing the physical body.
Word salad.
Your word salad is my spiritual soup.
Shameless self promotion, new article:
https://chasingthesquirrel.com/
Folks, Trump alluded to rushing a vaccine into production. Don’t get vaccinated it if it’s offered early under any circumstances. It’s never a good idea to rush into one without thorough testing first. But the government might do this anyway for the wrong reasons. Bad idea.
Very good advice! The SARS vaccine is a nightmare because it is believed that people who had that vaccine over in Asia really suffered because of this new type of SARS that’s come along.
Totally agreed. You definitely don’t wanna be the crash test dummy for the early release vaccine.
Yeah but you’d want a degree from Trump University right? I mean who wouldn’t. Jonas Salk?
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-made-coronavirus-was-it-the-u-s-israel-or-china-itself/
“Inevitably there is an Israeli story that just might shed some light on what has been going on in China. Scientists at Israel’s Galilee Research Institute are now claiming that they will have a vaccine against coronavirus in a few weeks which will be ready for distribution and use within 90 days. The institute is claiming that it has been engaged in four years of research on avian coronavirus funded by Israel’s Ministries of Science & Technology and Agriculture. They are claiming that the virus is similar to the version that has infected humans, which has led to breakthroughs in development through genetic manipulation, but some scientists are skeptical that a new vaccine could be produced so quickly to prevent a virus that existed only recently. They also have warned that even if a vaccine is developed it would normally have to be tested for side effects, a process that normally takes over a year and includes using it on infected humans.”
this is from UNZ.com
Mark Dubowitz, Executive Director of the Washington-based but Israeli government connected Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) boasted on twitter Tuesday that “Coronavirus has done what American economic sanctions could not: shut down non-oil exports.” An Iranian government spokesman responded that “It’s shameful and downright inhuman to cheer for a deadly Virus to spread – and enjoy seeing people suffer for it…” Dubowitz followed up with an additional taunt, that Tehran has “spread terrorism” in the Middle East and “now it’s spreading the coronavirus.”
This is a blurb on epigenetics for anyone with interest in this. Me and another poster got called names over this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
I’m going to try again with this too. This is an article published by the NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) titled Mutation as a Stress Response and the Regulation of Evolvability.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3319127/
There’s tons out there. Google “environmental stress as a factor in mutagenesis of germline DNA” and you’ll see a raft of articles.
Wall Street gets a bailout: the Fed is doing 1.5 trillion in repurchasing operations as markets are showing signs of – cough – “stress”.
What does this actually mean? That the fucking ponzis are about to go tits up?
Umm… yes. Although we Americans prefer not to call them Ponzis, even though that’s exactly what they are. When it finally gets around to our personal bank accounts, which it definitely could, things will get *really interesting* really fast.
Was it Greece – or possibly Cyprus – where the government compulsorily acquired 10% or 20% of everybody’s savings account?
Would be interesting to see that in the US – with all those guns out there.
The “Bail In”, not out…
“Was it Greece – or possibly Cyprus – where the government compulsorily acquired 10% or 20% of everybody’s savings account?”
It was Cyprus (and 10% I think?). And from memory the haircut only affected bank accounts with over 100,000 euros in them, so the little guy was mostly unaffected.
Not even corona virus can unite Belgium. Hurray for multi-culturalism!
https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-belgium-division/
allah allaa hu
Stopped by the local Super Market at lunch to pick up some things. Ordinarily our little burg high in the mountains would be fairly referred to as a prototypical bastion of rationality, but appears that the might CV panic has infected us too now. Toilet paper long gone of course (good memes travel fast these days!), but basic staples – canned goods in particular, usually a slow mover these days – are drying up fast too. Based on what I saw today, I’m predicting the place will be largely stripped bare by Friday evening at the latest. Fun times ahead.
In a related note, the local Utility Department released this public service message to the panic stricken public:
While you all of course are free to wipe your shitty little butts with your soon to be worthless paper dollar bills, government bonds, and/or stock certificates; PLEASE remember not to flush them down the toilet afterward, as they are not designed for this purpose and will definitely PLUG YOUR PIPES! Likewise, garbage bags full of human shit must be sealed tightly and leak free before pickup, and service may be denied at any time based solely on our discretion. Thank you.
Ok, Ok, I might have embellished that last bit just a teeny little bit. But not much.
Last night 9:00 pm the supermarket surprisingly full of people. Nobody taking NPI preventative measures but I was wearing nitrile gloves from a supply I bought years ago, figured might come in handy some day. Was getting a lot of funny side glances/double takes but never mind.
There was a youtube video recently, can’t remember where. A guy was being interviewed. He said that the sanitizer commonly found at the supermarket where you pick up your cart increases by a large amount the porosity of the skin which in turn is bad when handling the receipt coated in bisphenol A, a potent endocrine disruptor.
If you run out, use facial tissues. Failing that, paper towels. Failing that paper bags. Flailing that, Leaves. Failing that, Leaves of Grass or pages. Failing that, your Left Hand. Do everything else with the Right….
Hahahahahaah, good one Janos……..especially the Leaves of Grass. You’ve got a hardon for Walt Whitman, don’t you?
Walt was a homo and lived in NYC?
Walt was a homo and lived in NYC? – malth
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Later on he lived in Camden not far from where I grew up. Camden was a much nicer place at that time. He used to take the train from Camden to what is now known as Haddon Township, NJ, walk a block to Crystal Lake and float around on it in a little boat mentally composing his next poem (I would imagine). I spent my summers swimming in Crystal Lake (then a municipal pool) and my mom believes that is where I caught poliomyelitis in the summer of 1949.
There is a bridge from Camden to Philly named after WW. I don’t get Janos’s disdain for him (unless it’s his gayness). He was the greatest lover of America as is evident in Leaves of Grass.
What’s Crystal Lake look like now?
Camden…when we arrived in the US in 1989, it was aboard a container vessel – a working passage from Dunedin to Philadelphia. My first experiences were on the dock of Camden and on Front St.
It was 8 am on a Monday morning. We climbed ashore, carrying our packs. We could see the largest bridge we’d ever experienced a little north and Liberty One (just completed) was reflecting bright spring sunshine.
We asked the first person we came across, a longshoreman, huge and black, how we ‘could get to town’. He asked ‘what town? Camden?”.
We replied “No, Philadelphia” and pointed to the spires. He spat out a huge loogey and exclaimed “Man! You in da wrong STATE! Dis here’s Noo Joisy!”
We found our way onto the streets in search of a bus stop. Seeing pudgy kids piling out of row houses with flat tar paper rooves and doors that opened right onto the street crowding into a candy store on their way to school was an eye-opener…our first experience of an American inner city, unknown scenes where we came from.
Then we met a lovely older lady who was monitoring the street crossing in front of a school and asked her for directions to a bus stop. Without a word of a lie, she was dressed in a pink housecoat & slippers, curlers under a chiffon hairnet and pink, heart-shaped spectacles. WTF…?
She asked ‘Ya not from around here are ya? Where ya from?’
We informed her we came from New Zealand. She said ‘Well, ya sure speak good English! Did ya learn it in school?’
First experiences of the USA. It continued to fascinate as we traveled the ’round trip’ in clunky old Volvo 240DL over a wonderful summer & autumn.
What’s Crystal Lake look like now? – BRH
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Google ‘crystal lake pool haddon township’ and scroll thru the pictures. It’s actually greatly improved since my day.
Majella,
I got such a kick from your story of arriving in Camden and the ‘lovely older lady’ who, apparently didn’t know that, as a New Zealander, English was your first language.
I’m going with a wash cloth and soap. Might use a paper towel first to knock off the Klingons if that becomes an issue. Disposed of in the trash, of course. Used newspaper for a week or two WAY back in the days of my misspent youth, before I finally gained a modicum of common sense. Needless to say, that didn’t go well at all for me OR my landlord at the time.
I used newspaper to swab up a big spill and the dye from the ads went right into the floor. One doesn’t want to have a multi-colored bottom….
” One doesn’t want to have a multi-colored bottom….”
Janos,
Whom would you offend? Who would deride your technicolor nethers? Don’t ask, don’t tell, and certainly don’t display your choice of reading material to your detractors….
Yes, & keep those fingernails trimmed, folks. And don’t allow the kids to eat out of the communal food bowl with their left, especially if they’re flailing.
In line at Costco, a woman with a PhD in Immunology told me
hand sanitizers arent all good..and Vinegar doesnt work.
Later I researched vinegar and it may work.
the receipt coated in bisphenol A, yes..a bad poison.
Well, it was inevitable, the March Madness season of college basketball has been cancelled.
And yet, we have the unofficial March Madness anyway!
Princess has taken it fleet out of service for 60 days.
NBA cancels with two players infected.
MLB cancels rear of spring training and moves out opening day two weeks.
Trump and Pence have the disease closing in on them.
Newsom announces no gatherings allowed greater than 250 people.
People in W. Palm Beach arriving from NYC are infected.
Universities all over going to virtual classes after spring break.
Warm areas seem to be getting infected as quickly. Important because:
Every part of hopes being pinned on our economy depends on this stuff going away before summer.
China is on a down slide now because super isolation has worked. However, they are starting to loosen up allowing workers to return to work. We will soon see if their blight is truly past peak
We may all be in isolation soon.
“Warm areas seem to be getting infected quickly? Oh really? According to Johns Hopkins: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html, in the continent of South America, which is not entirely in the Southern Hemisphere, there are less than 200 confirmed cases,. That’s in the entire continent., STOP SPREADING INACCURATE PANIC CAUSING INFORMATION FOR CHRISSAKES> The majority of the world’s cases have occurred in countries that are experiencing WINTER.
A corona like virus is decimating camels in Arabia. 110 degrees and the virus is wearing sunglasses and doing fine.
Warm areas seem to be getting infected as quickly. Important because:
Yes – I question this.
The Southern Hemisphere (and Africa) have very little infection compared to the Northern Hemisphere in winter. Australian authorities are most concerned about our 140 cases ballooning out when regular flu season kicks in from May-June through September.
What I do to try to prevent a cold or flu: Drink plenty of water – that helps flush out bad stuff. Also, flu type viruses like dry nasal passages, they don’t like lubricated ones. Also, moist nasal passages act as a barrier to prevent the virus from entering your body through your sinuses. A long time ago an old Russian physician told me to spray saline solution into my nose 7 to 10 times a day when I have a cold. He said the chlorine in the salt kills the viruses – it was a Russian remedy.
Recently, neti pots have come into vogue. Google them if you don’t know what they are. Basically, they are a spray bottle with water and salt. I use lukewarm distilled water (which is pure water), spray it way up into each nostril as far as I can go until it starts coming out my other nostril. I spray each nostril 2 or 3 times. I know it seems gross, but it actually is harmless and doesn’t hurt. Just takes getting used to. But it directly flushes crap out. I do this once a week, and more if I feel like a cold might be coming on.
In addition, in times like this, I take zinc lozenges regularly as zinc seems to help with viruses. I wash my hands frequently with just soap and water – not compulsively, just as a precaution.
Totally avoiding the virus is probably unavoidable. Coronavirus can stay in the air in water droplets from sneezing for up to a half hour. How do you know who passed by 20 minutes before? Getting Coronavirus is not a death sentence. 80% of cases are mild. The other 20% of cases are due to old people with weakened immune systems or underlying health issues, or anyone else unhealthy.
As I stated in a prior post, the death rate for people in my age range, 70-79, is 8%. I bet that a majority of that 8% is from sick or unhealthy persons.
Recently, neti pots have come into vogue. – beantown
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Shortly before this C-Virus thing arrived in our lives I had a bad cold and would wake up several times a night stuffed up, my mouth hanging open and my mouth and throat dry as a desert. I would troop downstairs to use a Neti Pot with warmed up salt water…as you described. The difference is that my pot does not squirt. It is just a little plastic pot which you use to pour the water up your nostril until it hopefully runs out the other nostril. Then you blow your nose into tissue and you have an hour or two of breathing relief. You have to be careful on the water temp.
I’ve been meaning to try one of those too. My coworker next door swears by them.
I have found the CPAP machine with built in humidifier to be a welcome addition as well, especially during the dry winter months. I don’t actually need the machine anymore for sleep apnea, but after over a year of use I found myself addicted to it, much to my total surprise. I fought the thing like hell for over six months at first, but once it finally broke me, I became a convert. Can’t imagine sleeping without it now at all. My only complaint about any of it is that the Medical Industrial Complex has turned it into an extortion racket, just like everything else.
Already use the saline nasal solution as well. A very welcome addition to the medicine cabinet.
Q, I forgot to add in my post that I also use a humidifier. My home is naturally dry. I find if the relative humidity in my bedroom is under 40%, my nose gets stuffed up and I have trouble sleeping. I can’t keep the relative humidity above 45%, because I have very high ceilings (14’-15’) but the 43-44% I can get is thankfully enough. The Boston area has hard water which stains everything it falls on, so I use distilled water, which works.
Neti. Saline. Zinc lozenges. Humidifier. All very useful tips. Thanks, beantown.
That’s the beauty of the CPAP. Heated humidity pumped right into you under pressure. I’m surprised they don’t push the thing as a health aid / performance enhancer. Probably right around the corner.
Just listened on CNBC to the Mayor of New Rochell, NY (a virus hotspot). Very, very articulate and I would judge very good at his political position. Unfortunately for his probable higher ambitions he is skinny, has an unflattering mess of a salt and pepper short beard, a pencil neck, and needs lessons in tying a tie. His Windsor knot is ridiculously large.
New Rochelle, NY.
Note the final “e” in Rochelle.
Sorry, I just couldn’t resist.
nice catch, A Klein.
Check out this monkey business:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-how-planet-of-the-apes-starts-as-coronavirus-slams-thailand-tourism-monkeys-brawl-in-the-streets-2020-03-12?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
Temple monkeys and city monkeys going at it. Make your own projections, draw your own parallels.
Yes, it was a banana that got them going. The “battle of the banana.”
Looks like the toilet-paper aisle in an Australian supermarket – although the monkeys seem smarter.
And a nice analogy of much of humanity, that James might appreciate: huge population overshoot, lack of skills in survival and self-reliance, descent into tribal factions, a critical just-in-time food chain – and no options if the supply chain fails. Brilliant.
Well done.
JohnAZ’s gimmes. 🙂
I’m over the hurt, but it’s worth repeating. Of course I’m not going to Vegas.
Good! Think positively. In a few more months, when you finally go, they’ll be only enough people left to fill one table. You won’t have cigarette smoke all over you, nor will anyone cough on you if you play the slots.
Okay Bean, and belated congrats on your big win awhile back.
At the Palazzo/Venetian there’s no smoking in the poker rooms, thank God. You find most smokers at the slots.
I can’t wait. Chips piled high in front of me at the final table and the prize pool is, as they say, a cool million. I’ve got the NY brim and a cigarette (unlit) dangling from my lips. My face (no shades) is inscrutable. My opponents cower at my raise, and all I have is air. I feel like I’m Steve McQueen (maybe EGR) in the ‘Cincinnati Kid’ or Matt Damon in ‘Rounders.’
Think positively. One out and I catch the ‘case Ace.’
Tucson,
You might suggest that those who test positive in Vegas, STAY in Vegas….
I’ll demand it, even if they won’t listen.
Oh good! I never believed you were really going to go. You’re way too smart and your a math genius so you understand probablities and odds more than others. Which means you better make it there once the pandemic is over lol.
You have me blushing, SSL. You’re no dim bulb yourself, not by a long shot!
Here’s a quote from one of loons in this blog: “The American Hospital Association predicts 480,000 U,.S. Deaths from the Corona Virus this year. There have been approximately 40 deaths so far. That leaves 479,.960 more deaths to reach the 480,000 mark,. There are 285 days left in the year,. In round numbers,. 1684 people have to die every day (approximately 1 per minute) ever minute of every day for the rest of the year for that to happen,. You don’t REALLY think that’s going to happen……..do you?
how many die from Flu in a year?
Vehicular = 50k…..480k is huge. Culls the herd.
I don’t think it’s going to happen either – perhaps the AHA is pitching for a lot more funding.
But still, beware of the power of exponential growth – death rates would “only” have to double each week for about three months to easily exceed 480,000.
You don’t REALLY think that’s going to happen……..do you? – Patriot
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If you think 480k is highly unlikely, read this: https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/things-take-a-turn/#comment-472822
It may change your mind.
Down deep, in the place of your mind you don’t talk about at parties, you want to see numbers like that don’t you,. If those numbers are true, why aren’t the numbers of deaths in Wunan province higher? Oh wait. The Chinese were able to conceal 500,000 deaths, right.That article you directed me to proves NOTHING.
My prediction:
Interesting blog post from JHK tomorrow!
My Prediction, trouble ahead trouble behind and that notions been on my mind.
You want to see ‘Youthful Folly’?
Here,
She is 100k? in debt, was planning an expensive wedding, has the biggest Make Up collection Ive ever seen, and expects to get a job as a college professor.
Someone posted on her talk–Girl wake up, life is coming at you like a train.
https://www.youtube.com/user/BeckyLovesKanga
Trump has driven every business he has ever run into the ground. Everything! The casinos. The football league. The university. The airline. The steaks, the vodka, the water, the magazine. All right into the crapper. People will immediately chirp the tv show “The Apprentice.” He didn’t run the tv show. He was the star of a tv show, in other words an actor or actress like James Gardner or Pamela Anderson. There were writers who wrote the show, gave him his lines, made him look smart. He played a part, but it wasn’t him, no more than Don Johnson was Sonny Burnett.Now he’s running the countrry into the ground, like he did everything else he was in charge of. The funny thing is had he hired great people who knew what they were doing, all he would have had to do was play the part. Alas he beieved his adoring throngs and gavve tthem pure, unadulterrated Trrump. Ironic isn’t it, the people who put him in the presidency caused him to be himself, and that as they say, was that.
Not too worry
If Dems leverage this pandemic disaster correctly Biden will most likely win in Nov, you will be able to suck presidential ass again, all will be right with the world, and your life will be complete.
Who’s worrying. We got the guy who thought he knew so much about real estate it could be made into a university. The state of New York stepped in and said whoa! you can’t call this a university without accreditation. Those damn regulations! There to protect people from getting ripped off by unscrupulous businessmen.
Hey! The market closed over 2300 down!
Is it MAGA time yet?!!
The market ‘dip’ will be catnip for the fat cats. I’m not in the market and I don’t give a damn if it drops to 5000, no, 500. An unparalleled
buying opportunity!
I know you’re gleeful, thinking the market collapse is hurting the president … there’s plenty of time for it to recover, and may actually help him.
It would be ironic if the year JHK did not predict a 4,000 DOW is the year we get there.
If Trump had not been the president and HRC was, what would be different right now. All the manufacturing had been moved over to China pre 2016. Testing capability seems to be a major problem now. How would it have been any better whoever was president now?
Another question I have, and I do not know the answer to it.
How would Medicare for All be different in the face of another epidemic? Because another one will come! I hear stories that the amount of health care workers will fall with socialized medicine. Right now that would be a catastrophe.
Working in the hospital when Obamacare and Medicare tightening happened ten years ago, it was not pretty. People started leaving nursing jobs because of understaffing, myself included. MDs at the time we’re not happy with the cutbacks.
If a manpower reduction happened during normal times, the system would adapt. During a pandemic, well, you are witnessing it right now.
We have an election this year.
Two thoughts about how this country should be run. This epidemic is perfectly timed to make the voting public face up to some really basic problems with our way of living now.
I will be listening for real answers to problems we are facing NOW. I will vote for someone who has solutions and not a lot of blather.
Right now, I am not hearing much from anyone in our government on how to handle this current situation. No one!
China produces 100% of the antibiotics for our country. 100%. We are fricking insane. Many other meds are produced over there too. Our number one enemy produces 100% of our antibiotics. Nice!
The entire health care industry needs to be restructured to be able to react to emergencies like this, because Mother Nature just keeps getting better at making us sick in large quantities. The idiocy of the test kit availability is just one issue. Are we willing to spend billions of dollars to maintain a stock of millions of test kits for a virus that has not even evolved yet. Or a vaccine stock that may be ineffective. What do you do?
The cutting back of vaccine development in Texas after t
The SARS run is just an example of the stupidity of our governments response to this ongoing health issue. We need to learn how to kill viruses in situ. Oh no, the latest epidemic hits, funds are cut. Dumb!
Anyway, I will be listening to the folks about ideas to address these health care fiascos and my guess is that I will only hear silence.
The latest epidemic falls off, not hits.
You’re right, JohnAZ. This pandemic doesn’t give a toss about political partisanship. If HRC were the President, it would be just as virulent and difficult to control, no question. Still, I can’t imagine there would NOT be a phalanx of GOPers (on Fox etc.) dishing it up to her just as much as Himself is being dished currently.
Likewise, though, I also can’t imagine HRC doing a presser in the CDC labs doling out disinformation about how serious it is, how it’ll all be okay soon, and making the pandemic or blaming Obama/The Europeans/The Chinese/ The Martians…
So, while he’s not responsible for the crisis, at least he’s operating at the idiot-savant level, to at least amuse us in these dark times.
Ha! Nice to know a sense of humor exists out there.
One of my points has always been that the problems today are not being handled well by our governments and it is just getting worse. I did not like Bush2, I did not like Obama and I am getting tired of what is going on now. If we went to a restaurant and got the service we are getting from the Deep State, we would never go back. It would be out of business. I think I am waiting for a method to put this government out of business.
You know how we will know an improvement. When we can go into a voting booth not holding our nose.
Nobody is on the horizon, IMHO. Biden, Bernie and Trump, yuck. With Trump we know what is there, the other two, disasters.
Again, IMHO, I believe that if this pandemic runs its course, especially if it has a summer bump, it will cause a major dislocation in the way the people view their government and hopefully major changes will evolve.
The Deep State is scared s**tless about that possibility and it explains a lot about what we are witnessing today.
“We have an election this year.
Two thoughts about how this country should be run. This epidemic is perfectly timed to make the voting public face up to some really basic problems with our way of living now.
I will be listening for real answers to problems we are facing NOW. I will vote for someone who has solutions and not a lot of blather.”
Try this guy, for political leadership as opposed to the shitshow Himself is turning it into:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ2zKWce0g8
Yeah, well Bernie sure ain’t no ‘deep state’ puppet, you MUST agree. You just don’t like him due to your really twisted and misinformed view of what democratic socialism is.
Voting for Bernie does not require one holding one’s nose. You have the AZ Primary next Tuesday, Not sure of the qualification requirements in order to vote, but if you CAN qualify, go give Bernie a tick. It can ‘t hurt YOU, but may save us from the fate-worse than-death that is Crazy Joe Biden.
Seriously, JohnAZ – DO LISTEN to this speech from Bernie, if you want to hear a responsible politician who has a real and viable plan to handle this crisis, but just as importantly, how to rescue the financially vulnerable – you know, ordinary people – rather than giving away $1.5 trillion in free money to the BANKSTERS so they can make lost interest loans. That has to be a huge scam, and really doesn’t help – turning lost wages into a loan is NOT the answer to financial stability.
Compare Bernie’s comprehensive plan and compassionate messaging with the limp & meaningless dribbling Himself stumbled through last night. Please. His pupils were extremely dilated and he was struggling to read the teleprompter.
Until we have a health care system that’s outcomes based and not profits based we will continue to have these dilemmas.
Fundamental. Simple. ‘Our’ love of money won’t allow it.
TS – I point you to that video of Sanders’ speech – a real plan with granular detail and a vision for the future. You’re in Arizona, too, right? See recommendation to JohnAZ above.
Sanders is done; who cares what he says? Certainly honchos at the DNC don’t care and wishes he would just go away.
I could think more of Bernie if hE had a clue about basic accounting.
No1. You have to have $ to be able to spend $. Our government owe a debt of almost 22 trillion $. We are broke.
No.2. If you cover everybody with health care, you either spend more $ to cover the additional folks, or you dilute down care for everyone. There is no choice. That is why we have lots of visitors from Canada to get elective services in the US. I wonder about the Canadian opinion on health care if they did not have the US safety valve.
No3. Opinions I have read have said that the dilution of care from adding on 30 million more folks will drive MDs and RNs out of the industry. And then an epidemic happens again?
No 4. He wants to control thus own the FF industry, without market control, the education system, by controlling the tuition federal “tit”, forgive student debt, hello 2008 etc. By my definition, he IS a Communist, believing that government control is the answer to all problems.
Tell me with facts, where I have misspoken.
No1. You have to have $ to be able to spend $. Our government owe a debt of almost 22 trillion $. We are broke.
The US “debt” is merely the size of the monetary base, it’s not debt in any meaningful sense. It could be paid off and/or repudiated tomorrow with the stroke of a pen. The Fed could be disbanded, the Treasury could print it’s own notes, and the US money supply could once again be debt free, just as it was prior to 1913. The US is a monetary sovereign, it can never be “broke” unless it chooses to be.
No.2. If you cover everybody with health care, you either spend more $ to cover the additional folks, or you dilute down care for everyone. There is no choice. That is why we have lots of visitors from Canada to get elective services in the US. I wonder about the Canadian opinion on health care if they did not have the US safety valve.
At worst, you’d dilute health care for those who currently over consume it and for whom it should be rationed. Everyone else, especially those who currently have none, would have infinitely more and better healthcare.
No3. Opinions I have read have said that the dilution of care from adding on 30 million more folks will drive MDs and RNs out of the industry. And then an epidemic happens again?
Those are just opinions. If need be, the whole damn thing could be nationalized, a la the military, and MDs and RNs could be recruited the same way the military does. I have several relatives who are career RNs. Pay’s not very good, work is long, hard, and mostly thankless, but I’ve yet to hear them complain about it. Salt of the earth ladies.
No 4. He wants to control thus own the FF industry, without market control, the education system, by controlling the tuition federal “tit”, forgive student debt, hello 2008 etc. By my definition, he IS a Communist, believing that government control is the answer to all problems.
Communist? Really? Let me guess, you’re well over 60, possibly well over 70, and you’re flashing back to the 50’s and all that McCarthyite bullshit. We’re facing another FDR moment, where someone needs to step forward and save capitalists from themselves. They should be thankful that anyone is willing to do so at this point. Personally, that’s why it all needs to melt down, so we can do a societal reset and expunge the capitalist cancer for good so it never comes back again. That’s the sentiment that’s out there among the young. No, it’s not going to happen in 2020, but give it two more election cycles, after the Boomers finally die and go away, and I’d say it’s a virtual lock.
China produces 100% of the antibiotics for our country.–JohnAZ
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So who has the power to require that antibiotics production be returned to the US? The private pharma corporations want to reduce costs, so they move their factories to low-wage countries like China. Only the government has the power to force pharma to move antibiotics production back to American factories.
This type of government intervention in the economy is called socialism.
Sometimes socialism is the only solution to a problem.
I think the Plunge Protection Team is close to losing the ability to morph into their Super Hero costumes and do their birthday party teenage power ranger gig.
Q, your talk of Crystal Lake is creepin’ me out. Tomorrow is Friday the 13th and I believe Crystal Lake was Jasons stomping ground. Let’s hope no bodies drop this time around.
March 13, also the anniversary of the Blizzard of ’88 and the Storm of the Century in 1993. Man we are so screwed. The Ides of March approach. Debts will be settled! I’ll be in my spidy hole if you need me!
Bernie’s accounting is nothing compared to the average Republican who believed and proselytized lower taxes will in fact bring in more tax revenue because the economy will boom blah blah blah blah blah. They repeat it over and over and soon it sounds plausible and next thing you know it it’s true. More simple accounting will tell you that if America spends twice what every other industrialized nation spends in medical costs (and still does not get the same positive outcomes as others), we have in fact the capacity to to cover twice our currentt population or 660 million people if we do medical care just LIKE every other country in the world. Since thatt is an additional 330 million people we could cover and there’s maybe 100 milllion who need it… piece of cake. It’s so simple even a caveman can do it.
yawn
The real deal is that elective work goes on waiting lists, emergent is still real time. The number of patients per MD has to go up so service will go down. Remember when Medicare tightened down and everyone complained about in and out office visits. Another thing that is happening currently is a watering down of the health care staffs with NPs and physician assistants. Whatever means it takes, service will decline.
A real question is, is that good enough politically. Are people willing to put up with long waits for elective surgery, or even primary care visits. Long to the VA for what Medicare for All will be like. If so, it may be the only option. Hope there are no epidemics in the future. Our reduced health care capacity will really be a problem. But we will have national health care.
What happens when the Feds have to cut budgets politically and health care is under their control? Guess!
Just think! Maybe it is national health care shortages that have made Europe the current hot bed for the pandemic. We shall see directly which system works the best stemming the tide.
It’s not the medical system that will win the day. It is leadership. You have to have leadership that recognizes the problem and acts, and not always proportionately. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to graffiti a house. They did it for lepers.
>A real question is, is that good enough politically. Are people willing to put up with long waits for elective surgery, or even primary care visits. Long to the VA for what Medicare for All will be like. If so, it may be the only option.
These really are the comments of someone who hasn’t lived under a single-desk national health scheme / mixed mode.
Australia isn’t perfect (where is?) – but we do have a good working Medicare system, where medical coverage (from primary through to the most high-tech specialist) is provided at no additional cost.
It’s not “free”, since everyone with taxable income above $A19,500 pays 2.5% as a levy to fund Medicare. In addition, many people have private health insurance – and that works too.
I appreciate the US is a huge nation, with huge numbers of low-income (and chronically unwell) people who would potentially swamp and overwhelm a M4A system – but surely these issues can be resolved if the political will is there.
I go to my local medical centre for primary care (plus in fact quite a lot of other servicers) for “free” – it works perfectly well, but I concede I’m in a very middle-class area. I also have private health insurance (about $A3600 per annum), that provides a wide range of discounted specialist services (including optical and dental – that I use quite a lot).
A single-desk M4A could work – but I do recognise that the US is huge.
Thank you for the data point. Australia $4543 a year, you pay $3600 for health insurance plus your out of pocket.
1. United States — $10,209
2. Switzerland — $8,009
3. Luxembourg — $6,475
4. Norway — $6,351
5. Germany — $5,728
6. Sweden — $5,511
7. Ireland — $5,449
8. Austria — $5,440
9. Netherlands — $5,386
10. Denmark — $5,183
11. France — $4,902
12. Canada — $4,826
13. Belgium — $4,774
14. Japan — $4,717
15. Iceland — $4,581
16. Australia — $4,543
17. United Kingdom — $4,246
18. Finland — $4,173
19. New Zealand — $3,683
20. Italy — $3,542
21. Spain — $3,371
So actually if we use Spain or Italy we have the capacity to cover 1 billion people.
immigrants. anchors. etc.
That could tack on what…maybe… South America?
Medicare for all is the only sane solution. People do NOT love their private insurance. It goes up every year, companies cover less and less, and you never really feel safe, altthough it is better than buying in the open market, since there are lawsuits.. there is legal recourse if a company lays you off because you’re sick. Ahahahahahahaahah. Yeah we’ve progrressed since the days of tthe railroad.
BTW, you are right! National health care is coming because we will have no choice as the income inequality that we have no solution for is exemplified. I have been advocating a advantage plan capable graduated by age Medicare- for-All idea for years on the blog. Until the current system fails (stand by), the insurance industry will block any changes. I am not a socialist by any means, but health care has no answers without it.
We just have to be willing to accept service on the cheap.
You can’t bash science and scientests and then when the bear is at the door expect them to make you a bear trap. Trump is caught by history. It happens all he time. Neville Chamberlain. FDR. LBJ. Hitler. Billy the Kid. Billy Jack. What is he going to do, hire the best scientests. They want nothing to do with him. They’ll sit on their hands to make sure his ilk never rises again.
Back to R’lyeh with him!
I forgot. Janos has always wanted to be the one walking down the street with a bell screaming ‘Bring out your dead’. He has mentioned it many times. It is like a Tarantino and foot thing. A turn on.
Janos can drive a flat bed truck trundle now. A megaphone on the cab roof with a hands free microphone, he can rant.
But both hands are not on the wheel.
The long-nosed Jew collecting bodies.
https://originalveniceshop.com/en/venetian-masks/1205-9226-basic-plague-doctor/#/65-material-paper_mache/331-measures-40_x_15_cm
That’s the one. He has talked about that mask. Too bad the virus came too late for Christmas.
You just couldn’t help yourself, huh LB, injecting your hate Trump screeds with a little anti semitism.
Ghost factories. Machines turned on but no work being done because o workers. Saving face is essential in the East Asian psyche, particularly to the Chinese. They aren’t inwardly free so how could they ever hope to be outwardly free?
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/lights-are-no-ones-working-how-china-faking-coronavirus-recovery
Perhaps the brouhaha about aerosols is true. Stop the coal fired electricity and the air clears up. Then all of a sudden July temperatures in Hunan because the aerosol shield is lost. Weather patterns go to shit worldwide and we have mass starvation in eighteen months. Then war and human extinction.
All from eating a Pangolin.
The butterfly effect.
The factory manager better leave his machines on but I think server farms should be a sufficient load to regulate the grid.
Trump is like a general on the battlefield, his army laid waste, his reserves shot, his allies fled. He turns to his most trusted advisor and says “Maybe we should try diplomacy.” They laugh their asses off, falling on the ground right outside the tent, peeing themselves in the process.
Comparing Trump to a general makes me think of the island of St. Helena. Longwood house could be adapted to host a putting green. The area could have a small golf course. It is green enough. Trump too could live out his days like a thanksgiving turkey.
His meat is decidedly rancid. Might have to feed him to the dogs… err… pigs.
Hey I’ll be the first to admit this worm could turn. The virus could dissipate in the spring. Cheap oil could slingshot the economy to dizzying heights. Trump could turn out like LBJ and win the biggest electoral victory in history, still the only man to get 60% of the vote.
Just so long as my shares go back up 40% – that’s all I really care about.
Trump said he believed the stock market would bounce back.
Kiss of Death…
Never say never. The casino stock market is mostly indicative of the fact that there’s nowhere else to turn for speculative investment returns these days. Not like anyone’s going to be investing in actual production anytime soon – the butt wipe industry possibly excepted. Go long on butt wipe!
Trump started the trade war with China and called Mexicans rapists and murderers. So it is poetic justice that he be taken out by a Chinese flu named after a Mexican beer.
Any way Tom Hanks could stop by the White House for a friendly chat? Cheer Trump up?
Chinks are rapists too, and should all get the Montezuma. Xi Jinping should by raped by a Mexican sodomite. HA!
Can you believe China has the nerve to blame us for the virus? They get away with way too much!
You (Kansas) caused the “Spanish Flu” and got away with that one. I think it’s your turn for the corona gig.
Yeah, after losing 110,000 American soldiers saving Europes ass (for the first time but not the last time)
John, if we’re broke, why and how can we keep spending?
Bernie has said, and studies have confirmed, including the recent one out of Yale that Bernie cited, that the nation’s medical costs would go down under Medicare for all.
But Medicare for all is only a first step. Doctor and nursing shortages don’t have to occur. Incentives can be put into place to increase those numbers, and not just governmental incentives. All of this won’t happen overnight, since it’s a huge paradigm shift. You need time to work on the supporting medical infrastructure.
We don’t have to worry about the ‘law of raspberry jam’ thing. Or maybe I should say it’s a worry we can put aside. You know, the farther it’s spread the thinner it gets. You plan for the increase in care.
Sure, it all takes vision and planning so there won’t be any immediate fix, no. But it could be done with enough of the right people. Will it be done? Not any time soon, sad to say.
I’m a total supporter of a single-desk, government -run medicare system for everyone. Everyone in every civilised country is. But the US is enormous with 320 million punters – many of whom are chronically or even acutely unwell.
It will take an immense effort to get M4A to work for everyone – but with sufficient government will (backed by enormous public support) it would certainly be achievable indeed.
Yes, a lot of work but it could be done! Sometimes it seems almost impossible to achieve the way things are here. The old platitude applies, however, where the will finds the way.
What difference does it make to you what kind of health delivery system we have in the USA. Plan on visiting? A favorite tactic of Hispanic and Chinese women is to get inside the US just as they are ready to give birth; the newborn is automatically a citizen, and all expense are written off or billed to medicare. Just one of many immigration and medicare scams that are out there.
Brh
Have to say, I don’t see it anytime soon either. The forces aligned against it are large, well-funded, and extremely determined. Even in the odd event it passed, the carping against it – including funding challenges at every turn – would persist for years. Americans have been quite effectively propagandized ever since the original Great Depression nearly 100 years ago. Not sure the political will exists these days for truly heroic measures like the New Deal, which current capitalist scions should be immensely thankful for, as it single-handedly made it possible to extend their elite familial legacies to the current day.
South Korea is testing 11,000 per day … the US has tested less than that in total … in fact just eight tests were completed today.
What is this about? Like Trump – is everyone in denial, and thinks a test is sort of pussy … or even fundamentally un-American?
Like Trump – is everyone in denial, and thinks a test is sort of pussy … or even fundamentally un-American?
Yes, I think that mentality – the rugged individualism that Americans are famous for embracing – definitely exists. Too many John Wayne/Sly Stallone movies during our formative years?
I almost forgot. Thanks to all those above who rolled out those hilarious TP comments. I was WMA, I mean LMAO. Thanks again!
Seems like Socialism is busting out all over with this latest House Bill. Can Mitch swallow it?
The apparent issue is ‘who’s gonna pay?
How about a 50% capital tax on the 300-odd billionaires?
That’d pay for everything, and the billionaires will still have more money they can ever spend. What’s more, if the economy gets through this, they’ll make their ‘money’ back in a year or so…