"Zazzy - always good to hear from you." ~ Ron Anselmo
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Likewise.
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"It seems kind of contradictory to both attempt to cull and import a whole bunch of immigrants. What's your take on that?" ~ Strange Bedfellow (AKA The Man They Call Zazelle)
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"They are replacing those US citizens who refuse to live a third world lifestyle in a first world country, with those who are happy to live a third world lifestyle in a first world country.
It's all relative. Americans will not hang drywall for $10/hour, nor live eight to a two-bedroom apartment. The immigrants will, and happily so.
Out with the discontents and in with the happy." ~ Ron Anselmo
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Agreed and it sounds like something I would say too...
How about I print that out (say with an anon attribution) and post it on a few lightposts in town here, maybe with a blog address where they can reply?
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"Question: Do our local grocery, etc., stores owe us a living? What about those who constitute our governments? What happens when/if they fold up for good overnight?" ~ Strange Bedfellow
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"I teach my sons, now 20 and 21, no one owes us anything. We're entitled to what we earn - nothing more, nothing less.
If they all fold up for good overnight, I'd be delighted. Things will go dystopian, but Darwinian, I'll be fine." ~ Ron Anselmo
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Agreed again...
But we/your sons might be 'competing' (for how long?) with those newcomers, etc., who might be willing to put up drywall for $10 an hour and live eight to a two-bedroom...
What do we do/does Dad say about that?
Then again, presumably the newcomers pay taxes like for underfunded pensions, civil infrastructure maintenance, and unemployment insurance and welfare and whatnot.
Maybe even universal basic income if that gets any traction.
It might be a 'necessary evil' if the petrodollar remains. If not, then it's likely a debt jubilee and a grand currency reset which, as you wrote, is all relative, so maybe that will also affect the current stagflation too. 'Fun' times ahead in any case.
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"Thanks again for checking in Zazzy, I miss your food-related metaphors. :-) What's up with the coffee shop?" ~ Ron Anselmo
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A coffee shop seems like a bit of a glorified ball-and-chain, yes?
Over here, when I pass by Kit Kat Pizza, for example, I almost always spot the ostensible owners-- maybe in their 70's-- hanging out around their usual table. Their shop has dubious ambiance but it's more one of those takeout sort of places anyway.
Since I have a bit of a background in residential design and an interest in tiny houses and its associated social movement, if you can call it that, and since our newcomers for examples might be in that sort of market, to say nothing of the increasing homeless, I might avail myself. I have other things to do though, so we'll see.
"What do we do/does Dad say about that?" ~ Strange Bedfellow
Competition is good, preferred even, as long as it's a true free market - ascension based on merit - the cream always rises. Problem is, those who talk about a "free market", are those who survive only through subsidies and monopolization.
Back to competition, it's the natural order in a finite world. I also tell my sons, when they set foot out the door every day, they have to compete - for women, for jobs, for income - for every single thing. They better step it up.
Residential design, tiny houses? I'm down for sure -especially outside-the-cage ideas.
Degreed engineer, so always on the periphery of RE Development/Design/Building. Look at repurposed container housing - super interesting, design flexibility, relatively natural disaster proof - more so than conventional structures.
Like Lego's, can be stacked, multi-story, offset, side-by-side. The structure is done, torch door and window openings, insulate and finish interior. Economical - 8' x 40' container less than $2K, so the "shell" costs less than $6.25/SF. Can't beat it.
So unconventional, that you have to break balls at the Building Departments, but it can be done.
Some years ago, I downloaded a shipping container (ISO?) model from 3D Warehouse (as it was called then, unsure it's still there) that was all surfaces and 'reverse designed' it in all solids. I still have the model if you ever want it. It's in AutoCAD format and can be saved to others as well.
Here's an old almost-finished quick-and-dirty render of it, sort of standing up, which I know is apparently not really a good idea from an engineering standpoint, since they are engineered to be stacked horizontally. Who'd a thunk!? The floor beams are the black things. I am wondering now if I put the floor in or not, it's been some years. It's a stupid render because there should be all the sexy locking hardware on the other side of the doors, but it's possible I hadn't put them in yet when I test-rendered it:
The semi-abandoned site looks like hell in my browser's dark mode. If I get back to this, I'm going to have to fix that.
Agreed again about the competition angle, if with some caveats. For one example, if some people can't compete one or more ways that others are doing, they might compete through cheating or assorted corruptions or nepotism or whatever. 'It takes all kinds' (what with evolution and diversity and all that).
Shipping Container Cafe - you were sort of reading my mind.
Although not cozy, as a cafe should be. Maybe a community of containers for housing, and a central, conventionally built small cafe - a communal, "living room" so to speak, with crackling fireplace and large open windows, big enough for serving, storytelling, some acoustic music, and warm comradery.
You and Dreamy may be right, that AI pushes us back to that. One can only hope. As JHK says, a different living arrangement.
Thanks for the links. Haven't looked at them yet, but I'll circle back to them. I'm sure they're interesting.
Nothing special. It's just an old 'abandoned' website I found the link to with even older renders thrown up just for fun. (But I do like some abandoned/ghost towns.)
Still though, if I decide to tackle the tiny house project(s), I might end up sifting through the cobwebs of what I've managed to keep.
As for AI, and the future in general, I hear the WEF's 'Great Reset' plan is still on the table and may be being pursued, regardless. AI, Musk's endeavors, electric cars, solar panels, etc., seem to dovetail well with that, yes? Despite Klaus Schwab stepping down? As one who does engineering, it might not be so bad, will it?, competition and all that?
At the same time, many are saying it won't pan out like some think or hope. Time will tell, and maybe very soon.
Those and similar 'forces that be' are generally what we mere specialised machine-cogs talk about hereon rather than are really able to control in any significant capacity. Nevertheless, aside from the above project, as my answer to machine-cog transcendance, I've in part been looking at creating an alternative 'glocal' society to compete with the State. (I almost joined an ecovillage.)
Crazy, I guess, but so is the State, and we live it each day.
Speaking of cogs, what kind of engineering do you do? Mechanical? You could invent a specialized throat-punching robot/android, say for riots against corrupt governments. As things unfold, it could be lucrative, as long as cash remains king of course and inflation doesn't eat into the profits too fast.
BTW, apparently, OpenAI's ChatGPT v.03 has hit AGI (artificial general intelligence), at least by some, likely problematic, definitions, just last week...
We might soon be able to do all our design and engineering by text/spoken-word prompts, at least before civ declines significantly, after which, in the face of failing supply-chains, we can design our cafe-teahouse with a reciprocal roof (wood and thatch), trulli-type walls and an earthen floor, all with local materials.
"...we can design our cafe-teahouse with a reciprocal roof (wood and thatch), trulli-type walls and an earthen floor, all with local materials." ~ Strange Bedfellow
Zazzy - for some reason, you bring out the philosophical in me. So, throat-punching aside, I'm 100% down with the above cafe design - preferred actually.
Most would say this goes back to more primitive. I disagree - I say that environment is simpler, more organic and frees up mind-space.
Technological advances are making us more primitive - anything that discourages or eliminates critical-thinking, for the masses, is the hallmark of primitive.
Closest to Structural Engineering, with limited exposure to the rest - mechanical, electrical, thermodynamics, hydrodynamics, etc. - a creator, you as well.
For the throat-punching robots, watch China. Have you seen some of the "dog-robots" they have? They can cover almost any terrain, swim, with head mounted weapons out of the water - insane.
In my mind's eye, I can already see the dystopian, asymmetric battles between men and these machines. I don't think it's too far off unfortunately.
~ Price Discovery ~
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Continued from here:
kunstler.com/p/santa-please-bring-me-a-war-for-christmas/comment/82253411
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"Zazzy - always good to hear from you." ~ Ron Anselmo
---
Likewise.
---
"It seems kind of contradictory to both attempt to cull and import a whole bunch of immigrants. What's your take on that?" ~ Strange Bedfellow (AKA The Man They Call Zazelle)
---
"They are replacing those US citizens who refuse to live a third world lifestyle in a first world country, with those who are happy to live a third world lifestyle in a first world country.
It's all relative. Americans will not hang drywall for $10/hour, nor live eight to a two-bedroom apartment. The immigrants will, and happily so.
Out with the discontents and in with the happy." ~ Ron Anselmo
---
Agreed and it sounds like something I would say too...
How about I print that out (say with an anon attribution) and post it on a few lightposts in town here, maybe with a blog address where they can reply?
---
"Question: Do our local grocery, etc., stores owe us a living? What about those who constitute our governments? What happens when/if they fold up for good overnight?" ~ Strange Bedfellow
---
"I teach my sons, now 20 and 21, no one owes us anything. We're entitled to what we earn - nothing more, nothing less.
If they all fold up for good overnight, I'd be delighted. Things will go dystopian, but Darwinian, I'll be fine." ~ Ron Anselmo
---
Agreed again...
But we/your sons might be 'competing' (for how long?) with those newcomers, etc., who might be willing to put up drywall for $10 an hour and live eight to a two-bedroom...
What do we do/does Dad say about that?
Then again, presumably the newcomers pay taxes like for underfunded pensions, civil infrastructure maintenance, and unemployment insurance and welfare and whatnot.
Maybe even universal basic income if that gets any traction.
It might be a 'necessary evil' if the petrodollar remains. If not, then it's likely a debt jubilee and a grand currency reset which, as you wrote, is all relative, so maybe that will also affect the current stagflation too. 'Fun' times ahead in any case.
---
"Thanks again for checking in Zazzy, I miss your food-related metaphors. :-) What's up with the coffee shop?" ~ Ron Anselmo
---
A coffee shop seems like a bit of a glorified ball-and-chain, yes?
Over here, when I pass by Kit Kat Pizza, for example, I almost always spot the ostensible owners-- maybe in their 70's-- hanging out around their usual table. Their shop has dubious ambiance but it's more one of those takeout sort of places anyway.
Since I have a bit of a background in residential design and an interest in tiny houses and its associated social movement, if you can call it that, and since our newcomers for examples might be in that sort of market, to say nothing of the increasing homeless, I might avail myself. I have other things to do though, so we'll see.
How about you?
"What do we do/does Dad say about that?" ~ Strange Bedfellow
Competition is good, preferred even, as long as it's a true free market - ascension based on merit - the cream always rises. Problem is, those who talk about a "free market", are those who survive only through subsidies and monopolization.
Back to competition, it's the natural order in a finite world. I also tell my sons, when they set foot out the door every day, they have to compete - for women, for jobs, for income - for every single thing. They better step it up.
Residential design, tiny houses? I'm down for sure -especially outside-the-cage ideas.
Degreed engineer, so always on the periphery of RE Development/Design/Building. Look at repurposed container housing - super interesting, design flexibility, relatively natural disaster proof - more so than conventional structures.
Like Lego's, can be stacked, multi-story, offset, side-by-side. The structure is done, torch door and window openings, insulate and finish interior. Economical - 8' x 40' container less than $2K, so the "shell" costs less than $6.25/SF. Can't beat it.
So unconventional, that you have to break balls at the Building Departments, but it can be done.
~ Shipping Container Cafe ~
Some years ago, I downloaded a shipping container (ISO?) model from 3D Warehouse (as it was called then, unsure it's still there) that was all surfaces and 'reverse designed' it in all solids. I still have the model if you ever want it. It's in AutoCAD format and can be saved to others as well.
Here's an old almost-finished quick-and-dirty render of it, sort of standing up, which I know is apparently not really a good idea from an engineering standpoint, since they are engineered to be stacked horizontally. Who'd a thunk!? The floor beams are the black things. I am wondering now if I put the floor in or not, it's been some years. It's a stupid render because there should be all the sexy locking hardware on the other side of the doors, but it's possible I hadn't put them in yet when I test-rendered it:
resilution.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/house6_container-temp0006.jpeg
Hey look, a half-designed abandoned two-storey treehouse using disassembled pallet wood! ;)
resilution.wordpress.com/2016/09/07/project001treehouse/
The semi-abandoned site looks like hell in my browser's dark mode. If I get back to this, I'm going to have to fix that.
Agreed again about the competition angle, if with some caveats. For one example, if some people can't compete one or more ways that others are doing, they might compete through cheating or assorted corruptions or nepotism or whatever. 'It takes all kinds' (what with evolution and diversity and all that).
Shipping Container Cafe - you were sort of reading my mind.
Although not cozy, as a cafe should be. Maybe a community of containers for housing, and a central, conventionally built small cafe - a communal, "living room" so to speak, with crackling fireplace and large open windows, big enough for serving, storytelling, some acoustic music, and warm comradery.
You and Dreamy may be right, that AI pushes us back to that. One can only hope. As JHK says, a different living arrangement.
Thanks for the links. Haven't looked at them yet, but I'll circle back to them. I'm sure they're interesting.
Nothing special. It's just an old 'abandoned' website I found the link to with even older renders thrown up just for fun. (But I do like some abandoned/ghost towns.)
Still though, if I decide to tackle the tiny house project(s), I might end up sifting through the cobwebs of what I've managed to keep.
As for AI, and the future in general, I hear the WEF's 'Great Reset' plan is still on the table and may be being pursued, regardless. AI, Musk's endeavors, electric cars, solar panels, etc., seem to dovetail well with that, yes? Despite Klaus Schwab stepping down? As one who does engineering, it might not be so bad, will it?, competition and all that?
At the same time, many are saying it won't pan out like some think or hope. Time will tell, and maybe very soon.
Those and similar 'forces that be' are generally what we mere specialised machine-cogs talk about hereon rather than are really able to control in any significant capacity. Nevertheless, aside from the above project, as my answer to machine-cog transcendance, I've in part been looking at creating an alternative 'glocal' society to compete with the State. (I almost joined an ecovillage.)
Crazy, I guess, but so is the State, and we live it each day.
Speaking of cogs, what kind of engineering do you do? Mechanical? You could invent a specialized throat-punching robot/android, say for riots against corrupt governments. As things unfold, it could be lucrative, as long as cash remains king of course and inflation doesn't eat into the profits too fast.
BTW, apparently, OpenAI's ChatGPT v.03 has hit AGI (artificial general intelligence), at least by some, likely problematic, definitions, just last week...
We might soon be able to do all our design and engineering by text/spoken-word prompts, at least before civ declines significantly, after which, in the face of failing supply-chains, we can design our cafe-teahouse with a reciprocal roof (wood and thatch), trulli-type walls and an earthen floor, all with local materials.
"...we can design our cafe-teahouse with a reciprocal roof (wood and thatch), trulli-type walls and an earthen floor, all with local materials." ~ Strange Bedfellow
Zazzy - for some reason, you bring out the philosophical in me. So, throat-punching aside, I'm 100% down with the above cafe design - preferred actually.
Most would say this goes back to more primitive. I disagree - I say that environment is simpler, more organic and frees up mind-space.
Technological advances are making us more primitive - anything that discourages or eliminates critical-thinking, for the masses, is the hallmark of primitive.
Closest to Structural Engineering, with limited exposure to the rest - mechanical, electrical, thermodynamics, hydrodynamics, etc. - a creator, you as well.
For the throat-punching robots, watch China. Have you seen some of the "dog-robots" they have? They can cover almost any terrain, swim, with head mounted weapons out of the water - insane.
In my mind's eye, I can already see the dystopian, asymmetric battles between men and these machines. I don't think it's too far off unfortunately.