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Wake the fuck up! Today we turn from the sordid dumbshow of Election 2016 to the parlous mysteries of finance and economics behind our sick politics. Most of the commentary in the mainstream special needs news media is based on the incorrect notion that the current disposition of things is sure to continue and therefore all we have to do is manage the familiar dynamics of the operating system in place. For instance, Grand Vizier Paul Krugman in today’s New York Times pimping for the US to issue ever-greater debt to repair US infrastructure. Does it seem like a sound idea? Borrow tons more money to get American running gear back in order so we can return to a growth economy. (There’s even a Trumpian gloss to it.)

Here’s the catch: the “growth economy” of which they chatter is done. You can stick a fork in it. The techno-industrial fantasia is drawing to a close. We are heading into a long term contraction of activity, productivity, and population and the salient question is how disorderly will the long emergency of the journey be to that new disposition of things?

The wish to keep all our rackets running is understandable. They have provided a lot of comfort, convenience, and luxury. But we are no longer in Alexander Hamilton’s world of cornucopian American abundance, just needing to borrow a little from the future to get at the gargantuan riches of a wilderness empire. We’ve been there and done that, and our present-day techno-narcissistic wish to replace all that spent material abundance with a Pokemon Go virtual reality economy is sure to lead to epochal disenchantment.

Borrowing from the future only works when you have some real prospect of paying the future back. The institutions that govern borrowing have been pretending for some time that our debts can be paid back. The untruth of this can be easily traced to the revocation of FASB (the Financial Accounting Standards Board) Rule 157 in 2009, which said that banks no longer had to report the market value of the loans on their books, but rather could make up any old number that made things appear to pencil out. In other words FASB decided that standards were optional. But that is only one cog in the great wheel of fraud that has rotated mercilessly with the seasons since the Fall of 2008.

What we face is discontinuity, the end of old spent dynamics and the beginning of new dynamics. Monetary deflation has been underway for years because that’s what happens when debts can’t be repaid: money vanishes. Now we will encounter the other dimensions of deflation: the contraction of manufacturing, trade, wages, and all the familiar markers of expansion in the waning techno-industrial era. The many dodges and stratagems tried by the supreme central bankers to work around contraction only produce ever greater distortions in markets, currencies, and the distribution of dwindling capital, leading to a grand battle over the table-scraps of history, i.e. the rise of radical politics world-wide, including Islamic Jihadism, and the western response in Trump, LePen, and the nascent Germanic right-wing. These current manifestations may be mild versions of what’s coming.

Nobody in power can come to grips with the reality of our situation. We have to salvage what we can and get smaller, becoming a more modest presence here, or the planet itself is going to hit the delete button on us. It rubs against the current religion of progress, which has replaced the other old cultic practices. The choice now is between time-out or game over, and the debate over these things is absent from the arena.

The aforesaid distortions in markets, currencies, and capital are spinning out in an ever broader, centrifugal gyre, coinciding, as chance would have it, with the most peculiar election in modern times. The incoherence and deceit on both sides is far beyond even the extravagant American norms of dauntless political bullshit. We literally have no idea what we’re doing in this country, or what we’re actually wishing for. The financial structures of everyday life look more fragile than ever. Gravity always wins.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. orbit7er August 8, 2016 at 8:53 am #

    The day before Krugman’s column extolling endless economic growth of the same old same old, Neil Irwin had a piece about the end of economic growth and how it baffles conventional economists:
    nytimes.com/2016/08/07/upshot/were-in-a-low-growth-world-how-did-we-get-here.html

    But we DO need investment but not in another double lane Interstate in Iowa in devotion to Auto Addiction. We need to restore Green Transit, walkable communities, shared public libraries, schools, parks etc.

    • shotho August 8, 2016 at 9:15 am #

      But, whence, cometh the wealth to pay for those things?

      • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 9:47 am #

        From the printing press. Pallets and pallets of wealth can be printed and all that is needed are ink, paper and fools. All of which we have in abundance.

        • sprawlcapital August 8, 2016 at 10:20 am #

          I am amazed at how many Millenials do not know the difference between a pallet and a crate. Repeatedly I have heard that the $400 million in foreign currency was delivered on a crate, when it’s obvious from the video I saw on Zero Hedge that it was a pallet.

          Even if they haven’t worked in a warehouse or on a loading dock, there is no excuse for not knowing what a pallet is.

          • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 11:00 am #

            To work in a warehouse and learn the distinction requires that one have a job in a warehouse.

            Millenials come in two flavors. The first flavor are those who avoid work altogether and live in their parents basement. The second flavor are those who do not feel the need or see it as at all appropriate that they start out working in the warehouse. These millenials are entitled and feel they are destined for upper management and they think they deserve to be made into upper management their first day on the job. Consequently they would quit after their first day before they could learn the difference.

            In other words you won’t find a millenial caught dead working in a warehouse or on a loading dock so they have no need to know the difference between a crate and a pallet. Having no need to know the difference they never learn the difference and since they don’t work they certainly have no need to learn the difference.

            My apologies to all millennials who work hard and embrace the traditional American work ethic. That would be both of you.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 11:33 am #

            K-Dog: If we’re gonna tar an entire generation with one brush, let’s not forget this is the same generation who either:

            – were fortunate enough to get packed off to the glorified qualification mills we know as universities, where they earned degrees that are as expensive as they are useless, and now face a lifetime of debt servitude; or

            – can look forward to a life of burger-flipping for an inadequate minimum wage, because the decent-paying blue-collar jobs their parents used to have got shipped to Vietnam.

            My twin nieces just turned 21, and they’re both training to be nurses: a good, practical vocation. My fingers are crossed for them, and for all their friends.

          • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:13 pm #

            Costco?

          • Zoltar August 8, 2016 at 12:49 pm #

            Perhaps a major new federally-funded program in pallet education would be just the thing to remedy this pressing problem.

          • DrTomSchmidt August 8, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

            Pallets are made of oak and generally make good firewood.

            And K-Dog, learned helplessness in the face of a rigged system set up by (preceding generations? but certainly not overturned and currently reinforced by) the Baby Boomers isn’t laziness or poor work ethic. I’ve seen PLENTY of Millennials who simply outwork previous generations, when they can work in areas that inspire or allow them to reap the benefits of their labor. They’re much too smart to fall for the “climb the corporate ladder” game since they know it’s a scam.

            They’ve been handed a shitshow of an economy and political system with drastic under investment for years. When you point the index finger at them, remember there are three pointing back at you.

          • rollie August 8, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

            Ah yes, pallets & crates – relics from the era of “shipping physical goods.”

          • ednguyen August 8, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

            What a dipshit, pot-belly geezer response from Kay the Dog, again. I know many hard working people of that generation. Your unexamined entitlement, Dog, comes from your smug pride at having had the brilliant foresight to have chosen to live your youth after WW2. Bfd.

          • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

            Elron, good for your nieces and their friends. Lambasting an entire generation was unfair, but fun. There are many fine millenials and there are many millenials who are assholes just as in any generation. To be fair no other generation has been bathed in electronic cluelessness to the degree our current crop of youngens has been. Consequently when the deficits in their upbringing show it can show as dramatic ignorance beyond what the normal frailties of a human mind can fall prey too.

            The electronic bath of information which overwhelms all has impared a basic understanding of how the world works in many of them. Not that previous generations have been savants in understanding our place in the universe but the ability of our current crop of young adults to navigate the future and its challenges is scary.

          • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

            I am pleased that three people took issue with my blanket characterization of millenials. Not all millenials live in their parents basement this is true. But to those of you who do.

            Could you at least keep it clean!

        • elysianfield August 8, 2016 at 12:18 pm #

          ” pallets of wealth can be printed and all that is needed are ink, paper and fools. All of which we have in abundance.”

          Nice comment, worthy of Twain….

        • daveed August 8, 2016 at 9:01 pm #

          Ink, Paper, and Fools. I love it. You’ve just gifted us with a perfect book title (which I’ll never write). Maybe JHK, from whom all blessings flow, will be inspired and run with it. With a foreword by K-Dog.

          • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:06 pm #

            My experience with pallets was at Alexander Hamilton’s shop (coincidental to Kunstler’s essay this week).

            We shipped a “pallet” of US Currency *aka $1B USC to Iraq to buy government officials’ support. The entire “pallet” was unaccounted for.

        • ejhr August 9, 2016 at 9:20 am #

          Please try not to fall for the falsehoods that pass for mainstream economics. The PTB are having us on, framing their nasties in false nostrums.We too willingly believe them, to our own detriment. Even Mr. K here falls for it!

          Apart from Banknotes [barely 1% of the money supply] there is NO printing press. That would mean money was a finite sum and we could run out. But money is infinitely available and any federal government can never be bankrupted in its own money. Money does not come from nowhere. It comes from paying off debts.

          So Krugman is correct. By deficit spending we make opportunities for raised GDP and getting more jobs. We really need to spend on repairing infrastructure, for example, and on free K-16 education, and welfare etc etc. Austerity is bankrupt and understanding that is even now occurring to Krugman. About time!

          We are not the servants of the Economy. The government must manage the economy for the people’s benefit, all of them!
          Mainstream economics would have us be secondary to the economy, when in fact it is a human construct. It is a case of magical thinking on their part, some sort of deity.

          We don’t borrow money from the future. We do borrow resources from the future. Credit allows us to do that. That is the elephant in the room which will tread on our future prospects for survival.

    • Neon Vincent August 8, 2016 at 9:50 am #

      Krugman paying attention to the costs of pollution is easy. Getting him to pay attention to the limits of growth is impossible. I know; I’ve tried. He’s not having it. However, as stocks resumed climbing a wall of worry to hit new highs last month, even he knew that “What’s good for the Dow isn’t necessarily good for America, or vice versa.”

    • michael August 8, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

      The problem lies within economics itself.
      It is a pseudoscience with no laws at all which one really believes in.
      Compare this to the laws of nature and try not to believe in those.

      The best thing we could do is close down all economics departments at universities and conduct affairs according to common sense.

      This would save a lot of money and redirect some intelligence toward more productive endavours.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:20 pm #

        “economics departments at universities” are funded by Wall Street to create their Propaganda.

    • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

      Who the fuck reads Krugman? Why give the asshole click hits?

    • carstars August 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

      I think we maybe beyond the walkable community stage. Green transit, to what? Office jobs. I would love that but we are likely over the next few years and decades needing to think about living in self reliant agricultural communities. Just this past week had someone visiting who is from Mexico. She said that her family has a ranch in the highlands of Mexico. Talking about her future as a young person she loves the US and the diversity and such. I suggested she consider returning to her family’s ranch. Did say it would be difficult but a more rewarding longer term plan – I was in now way proposing this because I am hung up with Mexicans being here — heaven know we need as many polite, accustom to hardship folks we can get.

    • taanstafl August 11, 2016 at 10:55 am #

      The sentence “Borrowing from the future only works when you have some real prospect of paying the future back” sounds plausible, but I’m not so sure it’s true. What is the evidence for it?

      The idea of an unending “growth economy” seems, at first, ridiculous given the irreconcilable differences between exponential growth and a finite universe, but unlike the universe numbers are infinite and there seems to be no theoretical or practical reason coffee can’t go to $10,000 a cup and national debt to 10^GOOGLE.
      Still, it seems time to develop practical economic models based on steady-state sustainability. In the foreseeable future we are almost certain to experience greatly increased automation-induced unemployment and under-employment. Something like the UBI (Universal Basic Income) is probably going to be necessary both as a social control tool and an alternative to Big Brother. In the mean time, it seems to me that in the short term, to assure adequate growth in the economy, we need to borrow a lot more and spend it on infrastructure.

  2. alandaviddoane August 8, 2016 at 9:01 am #

    We’re at the point now where I genuinely cannot imagine another presidential election in a 50-state U.S. after this one, if we even manage to complete this one without an utter collapse of the parties. Civil war seems inevitable whether the winner is Clinton, Trump, or some other as yet unknown entity entering the race at the last minute to save us all from this surreal shitshow.

    • shotho August 8, 2016 at 9:17 am #

      Charles Hugh Smith has said the same thing, actually a little while ago. This is probably the last “normal” election cycle in American history. By 2020, we will be in never, never land and all bets are off.

      • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 10:02 am #

        The tradition of American election can be replaced by a ‘Mr. America’ pageant where winning contestants will be picked by a panel of Judges.

        Once he serves his term Donald Trump can run the show like he does now for the Miss USA pageant. Having the complicated and pesky machinery of elections eliminated by a more efficient panel of judges is consistent with the American way of forever better efficiency. Our Pokemon Go distracted masses will be unlikely to notice any change but if they do our fourth turning masses will approve of someone else doing their thinking for them and shouldering the responsibility of citizenship; they always do.

        • Beryl of Oyl August 8, 2016 at 11:00 am #

          That would probably be popular. The men could compete in swimwear (clown pants) and dress shoes.

          • Fiesta Cranberry August 8, 2016 at 6:00 pm #

            Ha ha ha ha ha…eeewwww.

        • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:08 pm #

          Can ” Donald Trump can run the show like he does now for the Miss USA pageant”and pick himself Winner?

          Lemme’ see the Official Rules!

    • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:14 pm #

      Right now Jill Stein is polling ahead of Donald Trump with the Mellennials.

      • routersurfer August 8, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

        Smart kids!

        • Majella August 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

          …who mostly don’t vote…

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:21 pm #

            The “Smart Money” is on Clinton.

      • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:32 pm #

        Of course, what gifts is she promising?

    • rollie August 8, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

      It struck me the other day that both conventions were essentially disasters — or at least would’ve been considered disasters back in the days when disasters were not so routine.

    • outsider August 9, 2016 at 11:19 am #

      @ alan – In theory, someone could enter the presidential race at the last minute, but it would be too late to get on the ballots, so entry would be meaningless. There’s no way out of this race to the bottom. But, as someone who has for years longed for the break-up of the US Empire, this race may be the spark that is needed. We are not “indivisible.”

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:23 pm #

        “In theory, someone could enter the presidential race at the last minute, but it would be too late to get on the ballots, so entry would be meaningless. ” – outsider

        i think Bloomberg could have Trump’s place on the Ballot. But he doesn’t want to run against Ms Clinton.

  3. shotho August 8, 2016 at 9:13 am #

    But, Mr. K, I thought that everything you’ve been teaching us for the last several years is that, there is no choice; it’s game over. The only choices left to us are those that point to the future – spiraling decline or localism – which, of course, might be one and the same.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 8, 2016 at 9:50 am #

      No, Slotho, I haven’t said there is no choice.
      We could change our behavior and aspire to different ways of conducting everyday life. But it will have to be at a smaller scale, more local, with less fossil fuel energy mojo. Our culture refuses to go there. So, they’ll be dragged kicking and screaming to it. — JHK

      • Ghung August 8, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

        JHK; “We could change our behavior…”

        Yeah? There has to be a “we” first. By what magic do you see that happening; a ‘United’ States, and all that? The only “we” I see is that “we” are screwed; some more than others.

      • routersurfer August 8, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

        We will just sit around with our collective heads up our lame stream media watching things that have no meaning or value. Should we be changing to a post oil world? Yes. Will we? No. We will only change channels. Keep fighting the only fight JHK!

        • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:34 pm #

          We deserve the awful future we are destined to receive. Brazil’s present is our rapidly approaching future.

      • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:10 pm #

        @ James Howard Kunstler:

        I’m in.

        This is the most practical (and also most optimistic) view that you have offered.

  4. RobH August 8, 2016 at 9:41 am #

    Amusingly, a ‘Post Brexit’ property bonds advert appeared at the side of my screen while reading the comments section

    … Some UK property bonds have been in ‘lock down’ since Brexit

    I think I’ll invest in toilet rolls instead

  5. beantownbill. August 8, 2016 at 9:41 am #

    We’ll never adjust to contraction effectively until the internet goes down.

    • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 9:53 am #

      Contraction of what?

      The population is increasing.
      Money supply is increasing.
      The Grid is tied or dependent on WWW so when it goes down,
      contraction is the best of possibilities.

  6. Lawfish August 8, 2016 at 9:43 am #

    Excellent commentary, as usual.

    I continue to prepare for the long emergency as I have for the last few years. This weekend I finished building an old-fashioned cider press. A friend has an orchard with 20-30 pear trees and she blessed me with about 80 pounds of pears, which I am now turning into real hard cider. Next year will be way easier, as I now own a cider press which I can pass on to the next generation.

    Always looking to barter. I trade fish for venison, legal services for rabbit meat, etc. And with 8 laying hens in the back yard, we won’t be hurting for supplemental protein.

    • Petro August 8, 2016 at 10:01 am #

      That’s wonderful, Lawfish. I don’t mean to diminish it or criticize it. I admire it, and you may very well be in a good set-up for a long time. But I can’t help thinking about the thousands of people, not far from you (unless you live in the wilds of a place like the Northwest Territories) who, when the grocery stores start to empty and they get desperately hungry, will happily relieve you of all that cider you’ve worked so hard to produce, and all that venison you’ve bartered for.

      • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 10:36 am #

        That is what the concealed underground bunker is for. To keep out of sight and out of mind while the roving hordes eat each other. When they have all eaten each other up then you come out of the bunker to make a new world, by hand.

        • chipshot August 8, 2016 at 10:55 am #

          If civilization “goes over a cliff”, which seems more likely the more we kick the can down the road (and who knows how long we can continue to do so, perhaps several yrs w worldwide QE), not sure any preparation will make life worth living when TSHTF.

          Too many unprepared people–combined w guns–who wants to survive in such a world?

          • shotho August 8, 2016 at 11:19 am #

            I think you’re correct. We are already in a Dark Age now, as far as values, ethics and character are concerned. The next leg down is poverty and panic with attendant disorder. But, I don’t think we can say that life will have no meaning. That’s a bridge too far.

          • chipshot August 8, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

            Slotho-

            It’s not that life will have no meaning, but (for Humans anyway)
            will be too difficult and awful to make it worth the struggle to survive. Especially compared to what we’ve been used to all our lives.

          • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

            3000 billionaires reported worldwide. A new record. Do people really not see where the future is going and who its for? A global 1% hegemony. They rule the world. You slave in it.

          • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

            @Frankiti:
            The Billionaire are preparing by enjoying themselves

        • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:30 pm #

          Zombies just go into stasis when food is low. They will be waiting for you to come top side. And of course the regular human cannibals as well – some of whom will have been preppers too.

      • Lawfish August 8, 2016 at 10:59 am #

        Depending on the type of collapse, I’ve got it covered. In a fast collapse, we bug out to a place on a beach peninsula that’s been paid for for years. We take the chickens, stored food, guns and ammo with us and hunker down with the other residents. The peninsula is easily defended due to it being nothing but a thin strip of land surrounded by ocean on all other sides. Most residents down there have multiple firearms. We have a large seine net that provides protein aplenty.

        In a slow collapse, we stay put. The basement serves as a true underground bunker. That’s the scenario I hope for. Something akin to JHK’s World Made by Hand. Having a cider press and equipment to make hooch gives me a trade.

        • chipshot August 8, 2016 at 11:16 am #

          Collapse of the oceans and severe climate change triggering ecological collapse, two events that do not seem far fetched,
          make even your well thought out plans insufficient.

          The loss of bats, bees and plankton we are seeing will probably
          create problems humans cannot deal with (ie, survive).

          • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

            I don’t see any decrease in bees. Unsprayed urban areas will replenish the country side once the madness stops.

            I know some people think it’s a disease. I don’t know. I simply haven’t seen any decrease – which seems to invalidate the disease model in any universal sense.

          • Lawfish August 8, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

            All I can do is all I can do. If the planet becomes uninhabitable, none of us will make it out alive. I’m just preparing a homestead that will be very well prepared for a coming descent. Right now, it seems like the backward country guy living in a mid-town subdivision, but in the future, it will be the best equipped homestead for miles. A good thing to pass on to my children and their children. I don’t foresee the end of oil as impacting my life nearly as much as theirs. I’m 51 years old. But for them, it will be a major portion of their lives.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 9, 2016 at 11:19 am #

            There is suspicion, not yet conclusive as far as I’m aware, that problems with bee populations are associated with use of neonicotinoid pesticides since the mid-1990s.

            ento.psu.edu/publications/are-neonicotinoids-killing-bees

            I suppose we can always hope that we won’t end up driving this particular truck off the cliff…

        • shotho August 8, 2016 at 11:21 am #

          I recommend Cormac McCarthy’s The Road for what is more likely to be your fate and mine.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

            A stick sharpened at both ends.

        • thwack August 8, 2016 at 11:43 am #

          What about boats?

          I could see people with boats forming small flotillas on the water for mutual protection; and being semi mobile like floating gypsies?

        • Paulo August 8, 2016 at 11:48 am #

          Funny post. Hey, I have 8 chickens laying 8 eggs per day too in the old back yard, meat birds, big gardens, and live on a river where the salmon are jumping as I write this. Plus, all the usual stuff like a woodlot, guns, etc. The only difference that I can see is I live on an Island. Actually, there are a lot of people on the Island, (Vancouver Island), but we live way up the coast with the nearest town 50 miles away.

          It isn’t about collapse for us. Just lifestyle. To quote from ‘Fargo’, as Stan Grossman says: “It’s just the way we prefer to do things, Jerry”.

          We were getting set up here about 12 years ago. Then, I read JHK’s Long Emergency and spent the next 12 years reading and researching PO for about 2 hours/day. Fascinating. Seems no brainer now, but is amazing how poorly informed people are about energy. Thanks Jim Kunstler…it was bang on with just a few glitches in production, shale, etc. But….. the jist is there. It was very prescient for the most part. I bought several copies for family members including my children.

          My wife and I aren’t Doomers, per se. We just like the lifestyle and resultant health and rewards. The first step was getting rid of debt, but my folks taught me that one from Depression experience. I love living in a place where people wave when you meet them driving. On a walk, everyone stops for a few words. Everyone knows who the helpers are, and who are the takers. We are networked and very much in the ‘helper camp’.

          Best of luck to all.

          • Ghung August 8, 2016 at 12:51 pm #

            Hi, Paulo!

          • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 9:07 pm #

            What’s climate like? Any Indian reservations nearby? Remember, they are deeply resentful of Whites and will become imperious and dangerous post collapse. On that note, do you have firearms? Because they and others will.

            You can’t give unless other take. Be grateful that they give you this opportunity.

      • sooty August 8, 2016 at 11:20 am #

        We’re building our homestead on my partner’s family’s old farm. Cool thing is, using permaculture techniques and principles we’re growing a lot of perennial foods (and not eating any animals as most permies do). We intend to help our neighbors with food if need be; but meanwhile, most urbanized hordes wouldn’t know what groundnuts look like. Or less common tree nuts. Or sea kale. Or know what a lion’s mane mushroom is. That’s not why we’re doing this, but given how cut off from food production the american population is, becoming friends with obscure and nutritious plants is a form of security.

        • Paulo August 8, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

          Hi Ghung,

          I started lurking back on PO again so might go back. I’ll just have to skip the ‘baiters’. Nice to read your comments these days.

  7. K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 9:44 am #

    Our special needs news media speaks to our population of special needs adults. Special needs adults who are beyond challenged when it comes to accepting any truth which is not all delightful peaches cream and endless growth and prosperity. Any truthful politician has no chance of being elected in American so we are perennially stuck with bad choices and lying scoundrels. The lies of politicians are swallowed with panache in America.

    Cornucopianism is American religion and thou blasphemes by insinuating that the American economy need follow any rules of math or the laws of the universe. Doest thou not knowest that Newtonian mechanics is now old school and that mathematics have been replaced by the Phone-App. There is no more need for higher lurnin; tattoos now replace that need and college costs too much. Joe and Jane can now find whatever they need to know on the internet where everything is always true. Truthfull American politicians have gone the way of the Dodo bird for honesty does not fly here.

    Long term contraction of activity, productivity, and population you say and that’s almost right. Contraction of economic activity and productivity is certain yes; but population will not be contracting. The world is full of unfortunates who will soon be coming to America even if our local population can’t get it up any more because of excessive consumption of high fructose corn syrup. Our clueless lying scoundrels of politicians will let these foreign masses in because there will be something in it for them if they do.

    Along with all the unfortunates yearning to get here there are also plenty of those quite able to buy their American citizenship because it has been for sale for quite some time. That was part of the Obama recovery package early on to ‘stimulate’ the economy. Import job creators. American population will not be contracting because the clueless are firmly in charge.

    • Beryl of Oyl August 8, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      Those “efficient” high-rises HUD has in the works, the ones that are supposed to house The Poor in ‘suburbia’, just to be nice, are really to house the masses of immigrants coming in every day. Those efficient high-rises require air conditioning to be livable. What to do? Maybe a wind turbine on the roof?
      BTW, I notice a pro-immigrant, pro-Muslim article in the paper recently, a two-fer. A man has a beautiful garden in an “apartment complex” in Schenectady, where he’s lived for twenty years. Whether he’s been in that apartment all those twenty years is unclear.
      He seems like a nice guy, but Yates Village isn’t merely an apartment complex, it is subsidized municipal housing. I keep telling everybody mass immigration is a racket, too. I get called names.

    • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:28 pm #

      Saturday night my son and daughter-in-law took us all out to dinner in West LA. Afterwards they stopped at Ralphs to pick up some ice cream. I said, “Hey, while you’re in there can you grab me a small pack of Temptations for the cats?” ($1.89).

      We got home and they forgot the Temptations. I said, “No problem. I’ll just stop on my way home in the morning.”

      But then my daughter-in-law walked into the living room with her iPhone in hand and said, “Don’t worry about it mom. I just ordered you two big boxes of Temptations on Amazon cause I had a free delivery blah, blah, blah.”

      “I know”, I said. “But I kind of need them when I get home tomorrow.”

      “Oh, they’ll be delivered for sure by tomorrow!”

      “On Sunday?!”

      “Oh, yeah! Guaranteed!”

      And sure enough I was sitting in my house yesterday and I hear a chirpy voice, “Federal Express!” outside my door.

      There in a lovely brown paper bag with cute graphics were my two big canisters of Temptations.

      And this is how the Mellennials roll.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

        In our day, we had ketchup bottle races while listening to “Anticipation”. Those were the days. These kids don’t know nuthin!

      • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

        Cats are vile

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

      A guy in Centralia tried to kill cockroaches with a blow torch. Darwin awards.

  8. ralphm August 8, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    Jim & readers, a new scenario for attempting to imagine this future is my second novel in the Inter States series: “Emergent Disorder”. See foundershousepublishing.com/2016/06/inter-states-emergent-disorder.html

    Now I have the time and mental space to read The Harrows of Spring!

    • routersurfer August 8, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

      Thanks for your post.

  9. sprawlcapital August 8, 2016 at 10:10 am #

    The media disconnect from reality was never more apparent than in the run-up to the Iowa caucuses. The media look at Iowa as if it’s still Mayberry USA, when in fact it’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of Corporate America.

    Thousands of 160 acre family farms have been replaced by 2000 acre-plus mega operations with “farmers” driving 12 foot tall monster tractors spraying fossil fuel based fertilizer and chemicals in quantities that would make Fritz Haber, the father of chemical warfare (1915), insanely jealous.

    And the two crops Iowa grows, corn and soy beans, do not feed people; they feed hogs, cattle, and ethanol plants.

    Those not engaged in this industrial-scale “farming” work in office cubicals in the finance and insurance rackets, when they’re not driving on the freeway to their strand board housing that was built by bulldozing away the best farmland on Earth.

    I refer to the lucky Iowans, of course. There is also a vast underclass: working multiple jobs at places like WalMart, and Olive Garden, while sliding ever deeper into debt and ignorance, and cigarette smoking. And forced to sink much of their meager funds into maintenance of an old car, because even they live a drive-everywhere society.

    Back to JHK’s “special needs” media. Wouldn’t it be politically correct to refer to them as “differently-abled”?

    There is a bright side. My backyard garden, on a tiny patch of the best soil in the world, is doing very well. It’s chemical free and compost fed. A dry June encouraged the plants to put down deep roots. That was followed by major amounts of rain in recent weeks and the plants are going crazy with growth. (Tomatoes, bell peppers, green beans, carrots and collards.)

    • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 10:28 am #

      I find the veggies from my garden always taste better than anything I can get elsewhere. No mystery there really, I could not get them any fresher. Good your garden is doing well.

      You are wrong about the corn. Iowa corn does indeed feed people after it has been treated with caustic soda, hydrochloric acid, alpha-amylase, gluco-amylase, isomerase, filter aid, powdered carbon, calcium chloride and magnesium sulfate to make high fructose corn syrup.

      The documentary ‘King Corn’ starts out by examining the carbon isotopes in an average American. We eat those hogs the Iowa corn grows so the results show that we are mostly made of Iowa Corn.

      I think corn being a ‘C4’ plant, which is capable of absorbing CO2 at night, is why the carbon isotope ratio leaves a distinctive signature. I’m guessing here and not sure about that.

      • Beryl of Oyl August 8, 2016 at 11:21 am #

        Sometimes I wonder if inhaling the air around the corn crops is making people fat. It sounds ridiculous, but when I see young people from the corn belt on TV lately, they are even fatter than people around here. They look inflated, almost. That’s not normal.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

          I noticed that too once in rural Ohio. The people are the biggest of all. Of course they have a huge cult of eating burgers, fries, etc. That might partially explain it. Also corn syrup does throw the body for a loop. It has to be shunted away as strange fat.

          Wouldn’t that make a great title for a Stephen King novel? Strange Fat?

          • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

            Germans are bigger than French.

          • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:14 pm #

            Biggest are USians

          • Yuri Sowryteski August 9, 2016 at 11:55 am #

            Janos, you could assemble all your CFN comments, with punctuation, as a dialogue – it could be a play, like “waiting for Godot” but titled “Strange Fat”.

      • sprawlcapital August 8, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

        Good point about high fructose corn syrup, K. I have yet to watch King Corn.

        What I was getting at is that growing produce for people is rare in Iowa. Recently, I bought a 25 lb. bag of organic red kidney beans from a local health food store. They are not from Iowa, or even California. They are a product of China. This is insane.

        I am not vegan or vegetarian, but try to limit meat consumption for health reasons.

    • Beryl of Oyl August 8, 2016 at 11:23 am #

      I read Methland: The Life and Death of a Small American Town by Nick Reding, and I wish more people would.

      • Q. Shtik August 8, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

        You wish they would what? die or read the book?

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:53 pm #

          only worthwhile Comment this week.

          It took a lot of wading through, but I found the “pearl’ that I was looking for.

    • messianicdruid August 8, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

      Last time I went to Iowa, I took a thirteen foot crappie pole and found a Ron Paul yard sign which I taped on with ductape and marched around Ames with all the other Libertarians. My sign was voted best in Iowa.

      People would be walking and you could watch they looked at you and then their eyes would go up in the air and they see that little bitty sign on top of a 13-foot pole and smile The good old days.

    • bass_masterson August 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm #

      Speaking of… Hey, JHK, how about a 2016 update of your garden?

    • outsider August 9, 2016 at 11:49 am #

      @ sprawl – What an insane joke the Iowa caucuses are. Months of vomiting media coverage, for what? So Hillary beats ol’ Bernie by 6 coin flips? Then there’s New Hampshire. Locals must get fed up with these blowhard candidates coming into their snowy diners, shaking their sticky hands, and upsetting their dinners. But California doesn’t even count. Is anyone else sink unto death of these two small population white states having so much power in deciding who the nominees will be every four years?

      • Yuri Sowryteski August 9, 2016 at 11:59 am #

        Democracy ain’t pretty.

      • sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 10:22 pm #

        outsider–

        Yes Iowa is a small, not very diverse state, but it would be an improvement, at least, to replace the caucuses with a normal primary election, with counted ballots. The present caucus system is a dysfunctional mess. It requires way too much time on caucus night and mass confusion reigns.

        This year, as in several previous years, I left the caucus feeling that my side was cheated,

        • outsider August 10, 2016 at 10:59 am #

          Sprawl – Good point on caucuses. They should be abolished.

          In a US government courses I took in college 45 years ago, our putrid presidential primary system was discussed. One big national primary was thought to be a terrible idea. The candidate with all the money and name recognition would almost always win. So upstarts like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Obama would not have had a chance.

          The best idea, it was thought, was to junk the current hodgepodge system and go to revolving regional primaries, so that each state would eventually have the chance to go first. The fact that no progress towards this idea has been made in all this time, shows how dysfunctional our silly system really is.

  10. Paulo August 8, 2016 at 10:20 am #

    Today, Trump is announcing his economic platform gleaned from the wisdom of Hamm and a few other shucksters. Apparently, his simple plan of big tax cuts for all, plus elimination all environmental regulations (until he has time to review them), will goose economic growth to well over 4%. Oh yeah, he wants to re-write labour laws and make all child care expenses fully re-fundable.

    And here I thought there actually were some State rights and responsibilities. Apparently, this changes under The Donald.

    Clinton? I don’t want to get sick so I’ll just put her out of my mind.

    What? 330 million plus people and this is what’s on the voting table for 2016? If this was a movie no one would believe it. What an effing scary joke. Anyone who doesn’t believe the US is in full collapse mode now, please explain these candidates and the level of discourse to a Canadian.

    • shotho August 8, 2016 at 11:27 am #

      Trudeau?

      • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

        Sorry, I see a question mark but is there an actual question there? The prime minister of Canada is Justin Trudeau, yes. Beyond that I for one am not sure what you’re getting at.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

          He said, If you win, you lose. In other words, to really win you have to lose. In other words, he’s a Loser Cuck.

          • Paulo August 8, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

            I don’t like Trudeau at all, but he’s a far sight smarter than Trump….plus he has some compassion in his veins.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 4:54 pm #

            Considering that our former ambassador to the world was our shambolic clown of a Toronto mayor, the now-deceased Rob Ford, is Justin Trudeau a rebalancing of the karmic scales? Or is fate just toying with us?

            I’m not going to over-think it. Real or ersatz, I’ll just enjoy the feeling of improvement while it lasts.

          • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm #

            He’s a poseur extrordannaire… any smug self righteous campaign is his, in a bare chested photo op.

    • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:34 pm #

      CNN is doing a Townhall with Jill Stein on August 17th in the evening.

      Jill Stein’s platform is basically the Sanders platform.

      Stein is giving the Clinton campaign the hebbie-jebbies.

      • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:15 pm #

        Let’s all watch and discuss.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

      He’s trying to lure the Corporations back. For jobs. I know it’s conventional, but it makes sense within the paradigm.

      Look you hate America and Americans. But you can’t conquer us. We can conquer you. It really is that simple. You have your own flyover country. You hate your traditional White people – and they hate you. We’ll be assimilating those folks at some point, when the borders get redrawn.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

        What’s there to hate about America and Americans? I for one have always found them to be fine and decent people.

        Okay, the ones who openly fantasize about introducing me and my neighbours to the joys of apartheid through violent Anschluss are a noteworthy exception. Happily, people like that are an odious minority of a minority.

        • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:16 pm #

          I think I know who you got in mind.

  11. bayfieldkelly August 8, 2016 at 10:25 am #

    Central banks are buying everything. They own the system and they aren’t afraid to show everyone they are in control. . …because as long CBs are buyers of last resort this thing will never fail.

  12. Bro Jobe August 8, 2016 at 10:27 am #

    Greece seems a good place to live in a Contraction. Many Athenian Pensioners have returned to their small family farms in Crete. The living is easy, if you don’t mind life on a subsistence farm, getting by just as their ancestors did for centuries.

    As these trends continue, we’ll see if other folks with living memories of growing their own food in pre-Modern ways fare better than those in nations with service economies and lots of sprawl. Greece has strong social cohesion in the villages, so I think they’ll make it.

    In America? Good luck with all that; the signs of contraction and decline are so palpable. Boomers and older Xers will suffer most, and their economic decline explains the rise of Trump. At least our Millennials have lower expectations. Maybe they’ll adapt, too.

    • lateStarter August 8, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

      Spot on Bro Jobe. Countries that have been thru a few recent collapses in the last 60 years will have a big headstart on the US. People still remember hard times and how to cope. The more messed up the place has been vs US standard of living, the better. Too far down that road leads to a couple of generations that can’t even grow a potatoe.

      If you don’t have a family farm to head back to, you are in trouble.

    • elysianfield August 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm #

      “In America? Good luck with all that; the signs of contraction and decline are so palpable. Boomers and older Xers will suffer most, and their economic decline explains the rise of Trump. At least our Millennials have lower expectations. Maybe they’ll adapt, too.”

      …Or not. Just finished a book on the projected results of a complete collapse of our electrical grid. The government speculates that if the power were off for 1 year in the US, the survival rate of the population would be…10%.

      • Fiesta Cranberry August 10, 2016 at 4:54 pm #

        Can you tell me the name of the book?

        • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 5:04 pm #

          Fiesta,
          The book;

          Lights out, by Ted Koppel

  13. AHtheHumanity August 8, 2016 at 10:32 am #

    The 60s really screwed with guys heads when guys started walking the moon…escaping all the problems with credit etc. is an easy fix when you can dictate what is going to happen – print more money to buy more stuff we can stack end to end to get us wherever we need to go in the expanding, endless universe of ideas. If one really takes a focus on this planet and the societies of India, Africa and South America – how most people get through life- its nothing like how you, me or new york times journalists live. There is really nothing to debate when you bring in the hard evidence which some writers have done only to be overlooked and ignored for the most part. Who really reads anymore? I do not mean reading market ads that propose a product and attempt to instigate comparison pricing, I mean critical thinking and analysis? Debates produce nothing of value, they are endless boxing matches between stubborn ideologies. An honest debate at its very best proposes questions with answers stemming from various points of reference ending in consensus. One debate has ended because evidence has been produced and now we move on with the next question and answerS. Mull it over, hash it out and wake up to the results.

    • K-Dog August 8, 2016 at 10:44 am #

      An honest debate requires honest people but Americans are trained to ‘win’ at any cost. To be deceitful if necessary is merely an accepted part of the game. Win at any cost, including the death of truth. Regardless of what anyone tells you as an American you are #1!

      Ooh Rah!

      • KesaAnna August 8, 2016 at 11:19 am #

        that is precisely why I have gone from liking sports, to seeing it as an irritating vice, to now I absolutely loath and despise sports. For a long time I couldn’t say why.
        it’s because it is precisely the creed K-Dog outlines here that sports — at least the contemporary incarnation ? — espouses and teaches.

        I read Mr. Kunstler compulsively, but I must admit I’m very happy to see here an essay that is NOT about this North Korean election.
        A country that stretches from the Outer Banks to Malibu, and from the Great lakes to the Gulf of Mexico , a country where in any backwoods grocery store you have your choice of a dozen barbeque sauces , but for over 100 years there have only been two via political parties ???
        One of the things that disgusts me about America is that anyone claims these elections aren’t as false as elections to the Supreme Soviet, and not a recent aberration , these elections have been false for a very long time.

        So, frankly, writing about it seems a waste of his effort

        • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

          Anyone can express disgust at their political system; the point is to do something about it. There are actual efforts going on:

          http://www.wolf-pac.com

          Fixing election financing by itself isn’t going to break the two-party duopoly, but having elected officials who actually representing people who vote for them is a fine place to start. Stop complaining and get organized.

          • KesaAnna August 8, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

            Reform in Sweden or Zambia ? Ok , perhaps .

            Reforming the imperial dinosaurs that are America, Russia , or China ?

            That’s either a childs fantasy , or shear dishonesty.

            small and local is going to mean just that.

            And I’ve been to jail, not for blowing up post offices, but for simply saying so.

            Dare I say I have suffered a great deal for what you dismiss as a somehow-lacking-in-value complaining.

            Organize ? Pfft ! I would be entirely satisfied if even one person in thirty simply admitted that Pax Americana was never intended to benefit little people.
            Not Indians, not negroes, and not WASP’s , except that they ludicrously flatter themselves so.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

        Exactly. You will defend your “Muslims good!” philosophy to the death. To prove you are right about them, you’d be willing to sacrifice American lives and our civil rights to boot. Winning is everything to you.

        • messianicdruid August 9, 2016 at 9:36 am #

          “It isn’t just the politicians in Washington D.C. that are deeply corrupt. In this article you will read about two prominent mayors that have engaged in absolutely horrific behavior, and you will read about a sex scandal out in California that involved 24 different police officers sleeping with the same prostitute. The reason why I write about these things is not to gross you out. Instead, the goal is to get America to take a long look in the mirror. Ultimately, we aren’t going to turn this country around by electing the right president, because the truth is that the biggest problem with this nation is in our own hearts. Until we get our hearts right, nothing is going to really change.”

          theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/if-our-mayors-are-this-corrupt-what-is-the-rest-of-the-populati…

          Repent [ change mind ] or perish.

    • thwack August 8, 2016 at 11:36 am #

      “The 60s really screwed with guys heads when guys started walking the moon…”

      If you believe “guys” walked on the moon in 1969, your head was already “screwed”

      • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

        Ha! Did you ever read David McGowan’s “Wagging the Moondoggie”? So funny. When ever I am feeling down I re-read it just for some great laughs:

        checktheevidence.com/pdf/Dave%20McGowan%20-%20Wagging%20The%20Moon%20Doggie.pdf

        • Ricky.H.Vernio August 9, 2016 at 5:20 am #

          It is a lot of fun in spots. I really enjoyed the part where he says we’re scared to go back because it might piss off the aliens.

          That said, there are huge holes in every chapter.

          The brittle spacesuits that weren’t supposed to hold up on the moon have been holding up admirably during space walks.

          Escape velocity, once achieved, is enough officially to leave Earth’s orbit. There’s no need to keep the engines running after that. Space probes reaching Saturn, Pluto, and beyond don’t seem to need any additional burns to escape Earth’s gravity: that should have given our friend Dave pause.

          And so forth.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

        Yes, the moon doesn’t really exist. What we call the moon is something else. Perhaps a light show projected onto the real moon by an alien ship we call the Sun.

      • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm #

        Tinfoil alert!

    • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:18 pm #

      @AHtheHumanity:

      Wait a second…I do live how “new york times journalists live”!

  14. 41259mike August 8, 2016 at 10:59 am #

    JHK, have you seen this? wolfstreet.com/2016/08/03/sinking-tilting-millennium-tower-san-francisco

    • Elrond Hubbard August 8, 2016 at 12:47 pm #

      Architectural fails like this make for gruesome reading, don’t they? Some quick faves:

      Citigroup Center (aka 601 Lexington Avenue), the New York skyscraper with the very weird foundation that needed emergency shoring up to prevent it from collapsing in a windstorm.

      – So-called “death-ray buildings” with concave, mirrored exteriors that focus sunlight into areas small enough to melt cars.

      – That old favourite, the bridge that did the twist until it died.

      You have to take your fun where you can find it in this world…

      • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:19 pm #

        worked at “Citigroup Center (aka 601 Lexington Avenue)”

  15. chipshot August 8, 2016 at 11:08 am #

    In looking for possible black swans that could trigger the inevitable collapse our future holds, I’m wondering if an oil shortage is becoming the odds on favorite.

    As JHK and others have been pointing out, current market prices are not sustainable if oil companies are to continue producing oil.
    As companies go bankrupt and exploration budgets get slashed,
    supply is almost certain to decline until we have a supply crisis.
    Prices would spike, economies would dive, and the fast descent into
    the abyss has arrived.

    Listening to oil analysts, such a scenario is likely within 5-7 yrs.

    • Lawfish August 8, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

      Think about it. In the past 30 years, oil companies have increased production by drilling new wells in existing fields. Saudi Arabia has been using that strategy to increase its production for years. But that’s like poking a hole in a gas tank and then poking another hole in the same tank to increase the rate of extraction. Keep doing that and, while you will in the short term greatly increase the amount of gasoline running from the tank, you will greatly foreshorten the amount of time it takes for the tank to run dry.

      Therefore, Hubbert’s peak is likely to be less bell-curve shaped and more cliff-shaped.

  16. capt spaulding August 8, 2016 at 11:16 am #

    Good column today. It makes “The Fourth Turning” more relevant all the time.

  17. Beryl of Oyl August 8, 2016 at 11:44 am #

    Speaking of pretending our debts can be paid back, I notice our government went to the trouble of making sure the student loan racket debt is the only debt that MUST be paid back.
    I’m wondering if there is a correlation between student loan debt and the rise in suicide among older men.
    We hear about the college graduates still living in their parents’ basements because they can’t afford to live on their own, but nobody talks about the older Americans who got kicked permanently out of the job market while still paying off college-related debt. Most middle class families that I know of took out loans to pay their children’s way through college. In fact, it is considered so much the norm that parents pay, that the local news runs stories every year at graduation time, showing some young black person who almost didn’t make it through college because his parents couldn’t afford it, like white kids’ parents can. As if black students aren’t eligible for the same loans white students are.
    So there you have these men who, having achieved a certain level in life, sending their kids to college, one of the milestones of having ‘arrived’, sending their kids to a good school. They lose their job just about the time when those loans come due. How many such men want to call their kids and ask them for money the kids don’t have either?
    Just a thought.

    • KesaAnna August 8, 2016 at 12:05 pm #

      I think we have long since passed the point where “education” should be put in quotation marks in virtually any context.

      I bet that for every job that you can show absolutely, positively, requires this vast educational bureaucracy, I bet I can show 15 or 20 jobs that are essentially no different that they were 50 years ago, and yet society functioned just fine , even at a very complex level, without 25 or 30 years of non-paying “education”.

      This “education” is not an objective fact, it’s a kooky religious idea.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

        Exactly. As Lao Tzu said, Close the school. The people will benefit a hundred fold.

        The purpose of schools is the to break the spirit of the child. Such breaking gets them ready for a life of drudgery. The teachers, nearly all female, hate boys the most because they have the most energy. They need to be drugged and emasculated.

    • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

      Not that this will sound like a popular plan here at Kunstler.com, but Jill Stein’s program is to forgive all student debt and make it a bail out similar to the Wall Street bailout in 2008:

      foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/07/07/green-partys-jill-stein-on-tax-free-student-loan-bailout.html

      Imagine Jill Stein on the debate stage in late September. The Donald and Hllary’s heads would explode.

  18. KesaAnna August 8, 2016 at 11:52 am #

    Living in a tent and having a life expectancy of 35 sounds bad.

    — But then I remember the ” mourning wars ” . in the 17th – thru – 19th centuries the American Indians were so devastated by the imported diseases that they took to going to war with the Europeans , not to kill, but to kidnap. They kidnapped people to try and replace their numbers.
    The interesting thing was , and my point is, apparently a significant number of these people, when later they were given the chance to go back to civilization, did not want to.

    Civilization does not always mean a loving society, or even a polite society, and it doesn’t always mean a materially better life either.
    On the contrary, for a lot of people , whether it is ancient Rome , or Pax Americana, what it actually means is poverty, slavery, murder, or a kind of slow -motion, quiet murder.

    America is full of really nice people, but it’s also really full of people for whom the morality of capitol punishment is a mask, they actually endorse the idea of capitol punishment because they LIKE and ENJOY the idea of , vicariously, killing a stranger , and never really mind the reason for doing so.

    That is, perhaps the collapse of civilization would not be the end of the world, or even the end of man ?

    I’m reminded of something I heard in a movie the other night, ” Bad enough that it might be so, without you wishing it so. ( i.e. wishing the worst ) “

    • abbybwood August 8, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      The American people also don’t seem to be bothered by the United States using its military abroad to launch “regime changes”, even when they don’t go as “planned” (a stable Libya now a hotbed for ISIS).

      Drone strikes on weddings, billions of dollars in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia so the poorest Yemeni’s can be slaughtered, poking the bear in Ukraine (Victoria Nuland admitted the U.S. spent $5 billion to foment that coup) etc.

      Regardless of what the CIA/US military is up to in foreign lands, taco night and the kids soccer games go on as planned with the usual evenings ending in mindless TV programming.

      And now we have two of the most loathed Americans trying to get us to hire them for the top job!

      Ahhh….to be an American! What a life!

      Reminds me of the song from “Down and Out in Beverly Hills”:

      youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU

      • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

        Wpa again

      • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 2:36 pm #

        “And now we have two of the most loathed Americans trying to get us to hire them for the top job!” – Abbybwood

        And you BELIEVE that you’re doing the ‘hiring’???

        Start back at: “The American people also don’t seem to be bothered”. You went astray somewhere after that truth.

  19. FincaInTheMountains August 8, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

    The happy end to the crisis without a world war is possible only in theory

    A large war number 3 is inevitable for economic reasons. How to find solutions that will lead Russia to the table of winners after the next war?

    Who will we have to fight: Americans or the Chinese? Or both and at the same time or in sequence? Although China is not in a position to choose: after the defeat of Russia, China will have to capitulate to the USA on hard or slave-like conditions. Chinese independence during the unprecedented economic growth of the entire Earth’s civilization severely irritates our American friends.

    US will not be able to cope even with the Chinese-Russian Entente, especially if it will be joined by India, and then Pakistan, Iran, and possibly Germany. The axis of Beijing-Moscow-Berlin will kill American hegemony for sure. The islands of Japan, England and Taiwan will fall into such isolation that their population will simply die out.

    Unfortunately, our American friends have nothing to offer the world in addition to the Great War Number 3 and homosexuality in the form of a new religion (basically you gonna get fucked or get killed, and that’s still not a bad choices), as a way out of the crisis of overproduction of material assets by Industrial Way.

    That is: There IS an industrial production, there is NO solvent demand and Reagan’s credit pumping to sustain demand is exhausted completely.

    Further is either imminent global socialism (state distribution of material wealth within society) or jump to the next technological order, which will provide the necessary resources for the survival of US imperialism without World War III.

    Anyway, the new technological order is inevitable: either voluntarily (requires reform or abolition of patent law) or as a result of a major war. US elite are deeply wary of the arrival of the next technological order, since it will cause a sharp and unpredictable redistribution of political power in the US (Wallstreet will not be needed, they will be swapped for Google-bank and few mobile apps).

    United States are too afraid to go to the next technological order: firstly, because of the political uncertainty of the result, and secondly: the concentration of capital is required in the amount of US $2 trillion, which US don’t have (Actually, they do, but only for spreading among the good fellas). And the American elite do not even see this fork in the road in front of their collective nose, and that’s despite the fact that Obama and Google meet almost every week.

    If Vladimir Putin will be able to block or just slow down enough the start of WWIII, USA are doomed.

    • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:21 pm #

      very discouraging

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

      “Wallstreet will not be needed, they will be swapped for Google-bank and few mobile apps” – Finc

      You will ALWAYS need Wall Street. You want The Hustle, The Dupe, The Fast One, The Fast Shuffle, The Hosing, The Jive, The Put-Up Job, The Shady Deal, and The Sucker Game.

      There’s a Product for everyone. Come and Get It!

  20. volodya August 8, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

    Yeah, “wake the fuck up” is great advice. But the preferred degree of “wakefulness” – especially among the plugged-in, web-dwelling, bi-coastal clerisy – is the of the sort that you get from a Matrix-like machine world, like the kind we have now.

    But isn’t this http://www.Matrix.com the uncontrolled, un-regulated, wild-wild-west of information and communication and entertainment and distraction, where you can talk to damn near anybody, anywhere in the world, where damn near anything goes, where idealistic insurgencies against despotic regimes start but also where the most refined tastes in degeneracy can be indulged often for free?

    It can be all that and often is. So what’s the problem? See, it’s also a dream-world where people grin chimp-like at glowing screens ignoring the physical world around them. In my hormone driven youth I would ride with my gal on public transit always giving the delightful creature my undivided attention. But what do I see today? Young people sitting side-by-side ignoring one another, smiling adoringly at whatever is fed to them by the cyber world, that electronic realm more important than the here and now right under their nose. Incredible that these devices can over-ride that most basic human urge.

    And that’s the point, isn’t it? To keep your attention focused on the screen, to engage you with that artificial two-dimensional world, to make you ignore what’s actually going on around you.

    That and surveillance. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about sez the surveillance state. Yes, privacy, what privacy, the users shrug.

    Now that would be machine-programmed thinking. The Matrix is embedded in these people, their thought and behavior patterns re-configured for the benefit of their Oligarch-Globalist pay-masters. Do they notice what’s around them? Scarcely, they may as well be living on Talos IV, addicted to illusion-creating technology.

    To say this is mal-adaptive is the understatement of the century. These people think they’re on the leading edge of a changing world. No, they’re not, quite the opposite in fact. The world is changing and they are blind to it.

    • KesaAnna August 8, 2016 at 1:00 pm #

      the dominant narrative may be , “Sex, sex, sex. ” but I strongly suspect it is largely as fictitious as Pravda.

      that is, socially interaction, and the big one , sex, is actually increasingly largely confined to certain narrow, specific demographics, which leave out a big chunk of the population.

      Why, the internet and iPods ?

      I really doubt it.
      I think it largely has to do with a culture which, despite its egalitarian and liberal pretensions, esteems only beauty, power, and money . ( like Hitler wanted lol. )

      And , unless I’m remembering my 50 years wrongly, we arrived at that culture in America long before the internet and ipods showed up.

      All the decent people are on the internet talking to people on the other side of the planet , because that is all there is to do.
      good luck finding attention, affection, sex, marriage, and community in a here-and-now that only values beauty, money, and power.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:18 pm #

        The German economy was in ruins until Hitler drove out the parasite bankers. Then he rebuilt, with a quickness that utterly amazed the world. Couples could marry and have children at last because they had the money to do so. He was literally the Father of his Nation.

        And no one, before or since, loved the Earth as he did. He didn’t force his people to give up eating meat, but he obviously wished that he could. He was so far ahead that he looked like he was behind. Of course the world made war against him – how could they not? Other countries would have copied his model and then where would the Parasite Bankers be?

        • volodya August 8, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

          If Adolf had died the day before kristallnacht, no matter what else he did before then, he would be regarded as Germany’s greatest leader.

          But he didn’t die, instead he lived to invade Poland and the USSR and France etc etc. which all ended in tens of millions dead and the heartland of western civilization wrecked and on its deathbed from which it’s never been able to rise up from.

          And let’s not go on about the Holocaust. Yeah, it happened, there’s too much eyewitness and documentary evidence so don’t discredit yourself by insisting otherwise.

  21. newworld August 8, 2016 at 12:42 pm #

    An honest appeal to Heaven to conserve the author’s perceptions of what is best in his life.

    Fully understandable and probably futile.

    A decrepit country or polity can afford an elite even if they are without a central bank or currency without at least phony value. But the question is how big can that pampered elite be, and who, whom.

    Even that paid troll for Seizure Lady MacBeth refuses to answer who, whom except to exclude the monsterous beasts of progressive nightmares the “privileged sons of white trash nation.” (I know its an oxymoron)

  22. thenuttyneutron August 8, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

    Ahh another interesting Monday morning read. While I do think Kunstler has the general idea of resource limits correct, like most non-engineers, he does not have the ability to work the problem and consider alternate solutions. This big problem that he writes about is really a group of problems that feed off each other in a weird synergy of destruction.

    I am currently watching the Trump blow bromides out of his ass to the City of Detroit. I am not sure if the sociopath that calls him self Trump is worst than the War Criminal Hillary. They share so much in common. I am a resident of Ohio and by a weird quirk of geography, my vote can actually make a difference. Picking between Trump and Clinton is like asking which kid you don’t want to cannibalize when you get hungry.

    Which is worst, a bromide spewing moron that demands that the California geology cooperate and give up the hidden water or the neocon that wants to pick a fight with a nuclear armed nation? I am not willing to go elsewhere in the world to fight and I sure as hell would not want to send my kids to go fight. Does anyone else want to volunteer their kids to go fight and die on a foreign land for the Republic… er Empire?

    I was reading about the West and the issues that they are having with water scarcity. California just can’t find enough water to pour on to their desert to make salad materials for the rest of the USA. The farmers of the high plains have been sucking water out of the Ogallala aquifer for many decades without a second thought on what they would do if the water stopped. Many places have sucked the ground dry of this ancient fossil water. I can’t wait for Trump to start a verbal altercation with Terra saying how great the Earth is but how mean it is currently being to the humans that occupy its surface and demanding that a foreign power try and get the information on where it is hiding the water.

    I just wonder when the assholes in California will start demanding that we send them Great Lakes water. I imagine they will do everything possible to save their million dollar shit boxes built in the last 20 years instead of getting out while they still can.

    There is one thing going for America. The population density is still a lot lower than other parts of the world. If we actually decided to solve/work the problem intelligently, we could actually save many American lives instead of letting our savage and primitive reptilian brain at the base of every human brain control our actions.

    If we choose to keep the status quo and play these stupid games, we will see just how civil people can be when they are hungry, thirsty, and pissed off.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 8, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

      NuttyNeutron writes: ” like most non-engineers, he does not have the ability to work the problem and consider alternate solutions. This big problem that he writes about is really a group of problems that feed off each other in a weird synergy of destruction.”

      Dear NP: You have obviously not read my books, so I take the rare step on this blog of telling you to go fuck yourself.
      –JHK

      • thenuttyneutron August 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

        Good. I will consider this request to go F myself as a gold star. Now that we have the pleasantries over with maybe we can intelligently discuss a solution to these problems. We agree that there is a problem but I also know there is a solution to it that does not require a mass die off. What did we humans do when their previous sources of energy grew scarce in the past?

        I don’t know what to do about the web of lies and deceit of Wall Street. Part of me thinks that they won’t willingly accept anything else other than the financial enslavement of the rest of us. I know what has happened under similar situations in the past. If they are not careful, they may relearn history the hard way.

        While this is not the complete solution, it is a start.

        transatomicpower.com/

        As a society, we can masturbate ourselves all we want about “renewables” but any competent electrical engineer will tell you that without the MVARS to drive the power down the lines, the grid can’t exist. Without the grid you are asking millions of people in America to lay down in a hole and wait to die.

        I did not cause these problems. I spent my entire adult life trying to work for the solution for our energy situation. You can thank both the Democrats lead by John Kerry, Republicans representatives, and fossil fuel interests in 1994 for delaying this solution for 30 years.

        Why not hand the decision making to some competent engineers and see what kind of solutions they come up with?

        • Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

          Cool story douche

        • elysianfield August 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

          Nutty,
          I seem to recall that Jimmy Carter was a trained engineer….

          Also, I would expect that your description regarding the two candidates are apt, but beg for a vote for Trump.

          If Trump is elected, he will have advisors, bureaucrats, and various gangs of hangers-on who will mitigate his worst efforts…however, if the Queen Bee is elected, we are good and well screwed, because her advisors, etc, are those who have brought us to our current ruin.

          • thenuttyneutron August 9, 2016 at 9:34 pm #

            I can’t offer any solutions for the choices we have in November. I am not happy with the choices. I have not found anyone else excited about these choices. I keep wondering how we got ourselves to this point. With my limited experiences, I don’t even have a hypothesis to offer for how we got here. How in the hell did we end up with Clinton and Trump?

            Jimmy Carter received a lot of his training in the Navy which was hostile to these advanced reactor designs. I was 6 months old when he left office and I know very little about him. I do know that the LWR was a poor choice choice for reactor technologies. I don’t like the idea of a reactor design that can destroy itself due to the inability to reject its decay heat when active cooling fails. Japan learned this lesson the hard way.

            As I stated before, I recognize there are big problems ahead. I have only pointed out a solution to a part of the problem. Our species has developed more and more advanced ways in extracting energy out of the world around us for thousands of generations. We have found new and better ways at raising the entropy of the universe. Why do you doubt that we have the ability to keep doing it? This is not magic.

            With a cheap and abundant source of energy, we can solve many of the other issues on our plates. We may not be happy with some of the adjustments that we will have to make, but we can work something acceptable out. The first problem that we have to address is finding rational politicians that can act like adults.

            Benefits of nuclear power:
            Fresh water made from seawater with the heat that we must reject/throw away anyway (2nd Law Thermodynamics). For a typical 3 GW thermal plant @ 33% efficiency, you would make about 10,000 gallons of water a minute.

            Stable base load electrical power that can respond to load changes in a fraction of a second (fuel temperature reactivity coefficient). The spinning electrical generators can also make the MVARS needed to move the power around on the grid.

            Can be designed to be “black start” capable. In the event of a massive blackout, these reactor designs can startup without an offsite source of electricity.

            Completely Carbon free. These power plants could be configured in such a way to use the industrial heat to covert water and CO2 into hydrocarbons.

            This is just a short list of benefits. Would you rather give it a try or throw up your hands, give up, and wait for our species to destroy itself?

            Narcissism: extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one’s own talents

            Techno-narcissistic? How does any rational person see a solution that prevents massive suffering and death to our species as being selfish? How is this solution a grandiose idea when we operated these reactors for many years at Oak Ridge? This is not magic.

            I have read a lot of insults. Instead of throwing insultsand names, why not offer up rational counter arguments and debate this like an adult?

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 11:37 am #

            “I have read a lot of insults. Instead of throwing insults and names, why not offer up rational counter arguments and debate this like an adult?”

            Nutty,
            I hope you did not think my post insulting or demeaning in any way…it was not intended to be so. I think the majority of the readership can offer solutions, viable ones, to the problems discussed…the problem is not defining the obvious, but rather the money, politics, fear and loathing, etc,
            that the process of change generates in our society. Nothing can be done, because nothing WILL be done, and substantive change (baby steps aside), will not be seen in our lifetime. If you were anointed “dictator”, with absolute power, you could make dozens of changes that would benefit society…short of that, our offered solutions are just mental masturbation….

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

            “our offered solutions are just mental masturbation….”

            Speak for yourself elysianfield.

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 5:18 pm #

            Dannyboy,

            You take exception to my statement…what changes, viable, doable changes, in this political environment, would you offer? Can you make the “trains run on time”? Can you make that happen? You, like the rest of us here, have relatively little power over our lives, and are at the whim of circumstances beyond our control. You may wish for that kind of power…you might meditate 45 minutes per day wishing it, but you are “whistling past the grave yard”…you have my sympathy if you feel that positive change will come to this country in a timely manner. Sorry

          • Elrond Hubbard August 11, 2016 at 10:27 am #

            thenuttyneutron: Just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head, not trying to make a serious evaluation of proposals regarding nuclear energy.

            First, it’s misleading at best to tout nuclear energy as “carbon-free”. Obviously nuclear reactors themselves don’t emit carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases, but as pieces of infrastructure they are utterly reliant on the surrounding industrial fabric that makes them possible, which as of now is as carbon-based as it ever was. I know of no serious proposal to eliminate carbon altogether from the building and maintenance of nuclear plants, so is the overall benefit really all that much? Someone somewhere must have looked into this.

            But the real reason I reject nuclear is the waste-disposal problem. Look, I’m a fan of high-energy civilization, and I hope we get to keep as much of it as possible. But the sheer generational irresponsibility of creating toxic radioactive waste that will be dangerous for tens of thousands of years so that we can enjoy a few decades of energy prosperity today is just breathtaking. Maybe thorium-based reactors would be a different story, but it’s up to the proponents to make their case. As it is I believe we should shut down all the nuclear reactors we have as soon as humanly possible, and devote our efforts to limiting the long-term damage from the whole dubious enterprise.

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

            “You, like the rest of us here, have relatively little power over our lives, and are at the whim of circumstances beyond our control.” – elysianfield

            Again you underestimate others. Don’t put me in the category of “like the rest of us”. That may be a convenience to avoid evaluating individuals, but it is just wrong.

            And when you write: “you have my sympathy if you feel that positive change will come to this country in a timely manner. Sorry” YOU CLEARLY EXPOSE YOURSELF AS A MAN WHO HAS LIVED THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE WOODS, WITH NO NEIGHBORS AND NO JOB TO GO TO. Get out a little.

      • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

        Engineers will not save the human race.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

          Once I solve the Racial question, I’ll solve the Energy one too. Much easier. Look at the Northern Lights. Think there’s a bit of energy up there? C’mon.

        • thenuttyneutron August 8, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

          If doing nothing means we are screwed anyway, why not test your hypothesis? You never know, you might be wrong and better off for it.

          • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 6:40 pm #

            The population density is still a lot lower than other parts of the world.

            I guess that you dont know the density of,

            New Jersey [whole state]
            NYC
            Los Angeles
            SF
            and many other places, huh?

        • Yuri Sowryteski August 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm #

          neutron- at some point voting for a “major” party is just throwing away your vote.

          Then at some later point, you just focus on local democracy. However, there may be some non-technical problems to live through, or not, between the two points.

      • cbeard August 8, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

        Actually its not a rare step. You have used such schoolyard tactics on several occasions. I too, have never read your books though I somewhat agree with a lot of your observations. NN may have been a little confrontational with the “non engineer” statement, but telling him to go fuck himself. Really. You just reinforced my opinion of you as possibly suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a superiority complex, or at least being a total asshole. I doubt you would make such a statement to a man face to face. Its easy for you to make such statements, hiding behind your keyboard. Where I come from you wouldn’t last long by making such comments to a stranger. “thenuttyneutron” did have a valid argument and for you to dismiss him, so diminishes you much more than he. I almost succumbed to temptation myself a second ago and signed off with your aforementioned salutation to NN. I’m better than that. Maybe this will earn me a gold star also.

        • Paulo August 8, 2016 at 4:56 pm #

          Engineers are pretty hard to take, sometimes. As a non-engineer who spent many many years building and trying to work around ridiculous designs, the meme ‘because I am an engineer’ doesn’t hold water.

          The ticket is mostly for liability purposes as far as I can see.

          I know many many engineers. The best ones never mention it. They just do their jobs. My nephew is a very senior automotive engineer and when he hires one he likes to look at their fingernails. He wants to see a bit of ingrained dirt/grease and callouses. No pink hands.

          Everything is not an engineering problem, anymore than every problem needs praying about. But when everything is a nail…… the solutions are limited.

          Janos will confirm Hitler had some damn fine engineers working for him. They really saved things, didn’t they?

          • thenuttyneutron August 8, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

            Yes…. many engineers make the others look bad but is that any different than other professions? I assure you that my mechanical skills far exceed my book skills. I spent many summers in my youth working on cars, programing computer code and building things.

            Despite what the engineer/author wrote in their manuals for the items I worked on, I have demonstrated many times that I can pick up a manual and work on things. I have to ask if you actually read the manual before bad mouthing a piece of equipment that you are most likely not correctly operating.

            I am going to throw the BS flag on your Hitler comment and his engineers. Blaming the engineers for the German loss makes no sense. It is like blaming a horrible car accident on an engineer after the driver drank 20 beers and crashed the car into a lamp post at 150 mph. The German politicians did not listen to their Generals and engineers. Germany lost because they repeated the mistakes of Napoleon and invaded Russia. I doubt Germany would have lost the war had they not attacked Stalin. They had better military technology and better trained soldiers. Had they not wasted so much of their capital and young men in attacking Russia, they would have likely established air superiority over Europe and fought off any invasions that could have threatened them.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 6:49 pm #

            Stalin was massing his troops on the border. He had to attack. He shouldn’t have kept going though.

            The nascent New World Order was determined to destroy Fascism. Capitalism and Communism get along fine, the latter being a project of the former, one funded by the bankers to destroy Traditional Societies. Now they are coming for the middle classes of the West. The anti-fa kids protesting against borders are serving the Capitalist Elite.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 9, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

            thenuttyneutron: “Germany lost because they repeated the mistakes of Napoleon and invaded Russia. I doubt Germany would have lost the war had they not attacked Stalin.”

            Attacking Stalin was the whole point of Hitler’s war. In doing so, he was carrying out the plan he had laid out in Mein Kampf. Hitler’s vision of history was of races pitted against races in an endless war for limited resources, forever. His plan was to seize and colonize the lands to his east, strip their resources, enslave their peoples, etc. His premises were atavistic and his methods genocidal, but his goal was clear enough: conquer the east for the good of Germany as he saw it.

            By pulling the trigger and invading Poland, he brought England and France into his war, so he had to secure his rear first.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance

            Supposedly if he had reached Moscow by the end of 1941, he could have consolidated his gains and then he would have been unopposable (short of nuclear weapons). But he was never going to be satisfied with sharing the spoils with Stalin; he wanted it all, and that was his plan from the very start.

        • James Howard Kunstler August 9, 2016 at 9:06 am #

          The reason I told nutty neutron to go fuck himself is that he insinuated I have failed to propose any intelligent responses to the long emergency. That is not true. I have made many proposals for reorganizing the economy on a smaller, finer, more local basis. I have also published the four World Made By Hand books as a kind of fictional diagram of that world. I resent being glibly dismissed as having nothing constructive to say. –JHK

          • Yuri Sowryteski August 9, 2016 at 1:08 pm #

            JHK: here’s a graph with notes which was made in 1970 something, iirc, which illustrates the validity of your work, and the impropriety of all large scale solutions.

            bp2.blogger.com/_Yww18kST3h8/R7YhY547mDI/AAAAAAAAADI/Iecd-l69pD4/s1600-h/limitstogrowth.jpg

          • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm #

            You are one of the few voices who understand that fundamental changes in the way America does business and the way Americans live their lives are needed to cope with our future of depleted resources. There is irony in this comment exchange because technonarcissists like Nutty Neutron generally can’t understand that technical solutions are typically band aids that do not really solve underlying problems. All technical solutions do is kick the can down the road and postpone the day we are kicked into the weeds. It does not matter that someone like Nutty Neutron can calculate rings around those they think inferior because their answers are not solutions to the real problems which face us.

            I don’t know how more clear you can be than saying:

            Americans need to make fundamental changes to their living arrangements!

            What is there to understand?

      • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm #

        “so I take the rare step on this blog of telling you to go fuck yourself.”

        –JHK

        @Kunstler, take it easy

        and take good care of yourself
        life’s to short to get all worked up about.

        You fan (and even the same age)

      • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 12:58 am #

        Totally correct JHK. This ass makes a statement that any idiot with even a passing acquaintance of your work would know to be ludicrous. Just being able to do math means nothing. That talent does not mean someone can see the bigger picture any better than anyone else. Engineers can be as myopically clueless or as brilliant as anyone. I know, I am one, EE and software to be precise so this fool can go wank.

    • daveed August 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm #

      Like most folks who criticize California, I suspect you’ve never visited this fair state. Or maybe you have, but had your tribal tattoo go awry in Hollywood, or were pissed-off by an over-priced Dodger Dog, or back in the day, flabbergasted by the sub-standard engineering of the ‘Matterhorn’ bobsleds at Disneyland. Maybe with your engineering skills you can come out and help solve some of the high speed rail boondoggle issues. In spite of the ‘land of fruit and nuts’ reputation (some of it deserved), California is a pretty diverse place, and if you traveled the length and breadth of it, you might find something (or someone) you like. Not just ‘assholes’ and ‘Hollywood liberals’ here. Just remember to go back home. We’re kind of maxing out, population-wise, and the water scarcity is real.

      And you can keep your Great Lakes water. We have enough invasive quagga mussels.

  23. SteveO August 8, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

    “Borrow tons more money to get American running gear back in order so we can return to a growth economy.”

    Since this money will never be repaid, IMO, we should go ahead and borrow as much as we can. However, we should use that money to fix water/sewer systems and rebuild the traditional rail system not super-duper-high-speed-maglev-techno fantasy rail or worse yet, new and better interstate highways.

  24. someonetakethewheel August 8, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

    American Capitalism is engaged in eating it’s young – not an optimistic scenario for long term survival. The older generation lives on Wall Street portfolios of companies producing corn syrup, ADD drugs and weapons while exploiting the next generation with usurious student loans, minimum wages and unaffordable health care.. They also collect Social Security, whether they need it or not, again paid for by taxing the young.

    Any civilization that makes educating the next generation and keeping it healthy into profit centers, at the cost of eternal debt servicing, bankruptcy and disabling obesity, is headed to the trash can of history.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:22 pm #

      Immigrants bring can bring in their elderly parents – who can then go on SS even thought they’ve never paid into they system. Madness, utter madness.

      • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

        Chain Migration.
        The President? of UC Berkeley wrote a weepy article [said leech had an asian last name] entitled, ‘Immigrants have families, too.’

    • cbeard August 8, 2016 at 5:38 pm #

      kudos

  25. routersurfer August 8, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

    It is starting to feel more and more like collapse is much closer than many will feel comfortable with. I agree financial markets are toast. The Circus and Bread Lines are starting in Ernest. Thanks for a hard turn back to Econ this Monday JHK!

    • routersurfer August 8, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

      Jacksonville unleaded $1.859 / gal

    • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

      @routersurfer

      Econ = Cultism

  26. DurangoKid August 8, 2016 at 1:22 pm #

    Here’s the long and the short of it. Nothing has value save that which embodies labor. Value is realized when labor converts a resource to a commodity for trade. Prior to mechanical methods of production the source of labor was human and human directed animal muscle power. Under those conditions the growth of surplus wealth was slow. Most people were farmers needed to keep society fed. The surplus wealth from agriculture supplied all other needs such as carpentry, masonry, metal working, weaving, etc. Enter the water wheel. Now humans could control a source of energy for mechanical labor that produced great gains in wealth. Then comes the heat engine and things really took off. Not only could you do stationary work, you could mount a heat engine on a cart and gain mobility. First steam and then the fuel itself provided the working fluid. Again with tremendous gains in wealth. At each step money could be lent and repaid at interest because of the productivity gains. We became habituated to growth.

    Now what? The latest and greatest energy source, tight oil, refuses to grow at a price we can afford. Conventional oil just refused to grow. Same with gas. Coal is showing signs and it’s not as attractive for other reasons. Solar and biomass don’t have the productivity gains over muscle needed to keep the show rolling. In a system of production predicated on perpetual growth going backwards is not an option. As high gain labor becomes scarce, claims on it become worthless.

    ‘Well, duh!’, you say? Sometimes it’s necessary to state the obvious to keep it obvious.

  27. pequiste August 8, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

    I’ll be recommending to the editors of Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations, to immediately include into the next edition of the reference classic, JHK’s opening sentence – truer, more precise words have never been spoken and with perfect timing too.

    However, as Jim points out, and as I have observed personally, Pokemon Go, Olympic and upcoming college and NFL football spectacles, and final summer visits to Dizneyworld & Universal, take precedence in the American psyche. And to both the mass of zombies and the boardrooms of the Kleptocorps, E.F. Schumacher is a crank and Jim Kunstler is a curmudgeonly chicken little.

    On a positive note – myself and a neighbor had both coconut and pineapple desert yesterday, grown from my own garden.

    • pequiste August 8, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

      correction:

      dessert.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:24 pm #

      Pokémon Go people are the long looked for Zombies.

      • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

        Found your “tribe” now.

  28. BackRowHeckler August 8, 2016 at 2:11 pm #

    To pick up an earlier thread … speaking of so called ‘Millenials’ working in warehouses, I heard this story a few nights ago from a guy who works with us part time.

    He has a day job where he goes around with a crew to different grocery stores in the area making shelf space for new products and removing old or out of date products from shelves. He said there are quite a few older people working for him; they make the best and most dependable employees. There is also a training program where they hire young college graduates for management positions. They sent him a young hot shot just out of college. He said its common practice for managers to pitch in and help employees if schedules were tight, which this young supervisor refused to do saying “I’m management, not labor”. One of the best employees was this 70 year old woman. One day last week, working on a bottom shelf, she was sitting on a milk crate, which evidently breaks some sort of company rule (Which was never enforced) He began berating the woman in front of everybody. The next day she brought in her own little stool to sit on while working; this young supervisor saw it, kicked it out from under her and sent her sprawling onto the floor, shouting that she’s fired.

    Store security witnessed this incident; it was the young man who got fired, and later on arrested for assault. I don’t know if this is just one idiot or if this is typical behavior for ‘Millenials’ in the modern workforce.

    brh

    • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

      I also blame whoever hired him.

    • Paulo August 8, 2016 at 5:14 pm #

      Jeez guys, my son is a millenial with his own business. He usually works 6-7 days per week. Sometimes he thinks he might get a day off, but then the phone rings. He is an electrical contractor doing mostly commercial and industrial work. Last night I helped him load up materials at 9:45 pm so that someone could pick up the load at 6:00am as they headed out to a new job. And no, he doesn’t live in my basement. He lives in a custom riverfront home he built with dad’s help. He’s 32 and has been on his own since 18. Of course he did not go to university. His Dad recommended an electrical apprenticeship. His wife is in the last year of a nursing program. She is also a millenial. She has been working in a veterinarian clinic since high school and pretty well runs the office end of things, plus helps with surgeries, etc. While in nursing school she continues to work weekends to help pay her fees.

      I think they both know what a pallet is and what a crate is. What you have described is not millenial thinking, but rather the urban thought process of North America. Every city dweller knows the store shelves are magically stocked overnight by fairies. To them, a pallet is something for sleeping on and a crate is an old truck like I drive.

      a Dad

    • islander800 August 8, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

      It’s interesting how social, and labor, norms vary by country today. America has nothing to teach the world.

      While visiting France, it was initially puzzling to see clerks and cashiers in stores all sitting on stools doing their jobs. Then it was explained: workers have the right to sit on jobs like that because it’s good for their physical and mental well being. It’s written into French labor laws. How civilized!

      By the way, for those that still prefer, ignorantly, to call the French names like cowards and “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”, the only workers today that seem to have the guts to actually stand up, fight back and strike for their hard-won labor rights are the French. In many respects (let’s leave “the Muslim Question” out of this, because frankly, it’s grossly overblown), the French have a much more civilized way of life than anything we have in North America. Example: businesses close for two hours between noon and two p.m. so that workers can have their major mid-day meals at home with their families. Walking town streets at mid-day, one can hear family dinners underway through many open windows.

      In America, labor, in contrast to the French, has rolled over and played dead – or should I say, have bent over and let themselves be screwed – without a peep. And family meals? What’s that? So tell me, who are the “Big Mac-eating” surrender monkeys?

      • messianicdruid August 9, 2016 at 8:31 am #

        Islander800, you got me thinking about August 3, 1981 when Reagan fired 15,500 controllers. Wonder what ever happened to Robert Poli the PATCO president? American Labor was lead downhill after this little event.

    • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 1:25 am #

      A narcissist out of control.

      • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 1:26 am #

        Ignore this, it went in the wrong place.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:13 am #

          I hereby claim all Rights and Privileges associated with phrase:

          “Ignore this, it went in the wrong place.”

          And I will apply such phrase language to all Comments that I wish to withdraw in the future.

          bet that got your attention!

  29. volodya August 8, 2016 at 2:12 pm #

    KesaAnna, interesting observations.

    So how does it work in your view? Do you see women looking for beauty, money and power in men? Do you see men looking for beauty, money and power in women in equal measure?

    Or is it asymmetric with men looking for beauty in women (but not money and power) and women looking for money and power in men (with beauty for added zest)?

    What you’re suggesting is that there’s an alpha male and alpha female elite that does the coupling and mating leaving out the less desirable members of the human species who go through lonely, frustrated lives unable to attract anyone or be attracted. You could be right.

    In my parents’ generation marriage was a societal and economic necessity. A woman needed a man to plow the back 40 and a man needed a woman to tend to the house and garden and kids. Did people “settle” for someone they may not have been enamored with but who would be good enough? I think the answer is yes, it appears to me that they did “settle” because of limited options given the lack of geographic and economic mobility.

    But the world changed didn’t it? People have had options the older generations couldn’t have dreamt of. Women have paying work so they don’t need a man to do the heavy labor in the fields. Did this make women pickier about men’s looks and status and wealth? It probably did. What about men? It seems that this age of sexual licence made them think why on earth should they marry if they can get sex without the heavy burdens of marriage?

    In any case the presence of ipods and the internet may have exacerbated the already existing underlying trend of changing sexual behavior. A large contingent of under-employed single people, substandard in terms of looks or wealth or power, might be drawn to the internet out of loneliness.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:31 pm #

      Yes, well said. Women need to marry when they have something to offer. But they wait, enjoying their freedom and the excitement or perhaps their careers – and end up alone. Nothing is crazier or sadder than women over 35 trying to get a husband. They start to lose their looks in their mid 20’s.

      A Sane Culture? Women marry and have kids FIRST – then do whatever else they want.

      And yeah, there’s no room for feminist self righteousness. Women are sex object and men are success objects. Some people want more. Of those, a few find it. But the basics are the basics.

      She thinks that things were different among the American Indians? They weren’t.

      • elysianfield August 9, 2016 at 11:17 am #

        “A woman is like a beautiful flower,
        The flower attracts the bee,
        Then the flower wilts,
        And the bee dies….”

        Alfred Bundy

        • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 8:15 am #

          Al’s daughter, played by Christina Applegate, was the most beautiful of flowers, back around 1992, His wife, sadly, had begun the process of wilting..

          • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 8:18 am #

            Sorry about my atrocious typing. I prefer a desktop, and this was done on a laptop.

            That’s my excuse.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:55 am #

            @sprawlcapital

            Can I use your excuse?
            It covers a lot of sins.
            Otherwise folks think I just don’t care.

      • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 8:07 am #

        Is there room for family planning in this scenario, Janos?

        Early marriage makes it possible for the woman to have a very large family. Should she stop with two children, or try to match Mrs, Dugger and go for 20?

        I agree, the health of the children and of the mother is statistically better if the pregnancies occur early rather than after the mother is 35.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

          Of course. That being said, Whites aren’t the problem as you well know. And many White Women don’t have children at all. Naturally we will give tax breaks to gifted families for them to have more than two children to make up for the slackers – and to improve the race. That’s positive eugenics.

          Negatively we will pay meth addicts and such to get their tubes tied. If a criminal continues to have one baby after another that she can’t pay for, well then we wont ask her permission. But that will hopefully be rare. We want negative eugenics to be voluntary. That’s why Margie Sanger set up near Black neighborhoods…..

  30. BackRowHeckler August 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

    Why is the Dow still way up over 18,000? (if things are really that bad?)

    brh

    • malthuss August 8, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

      Ask Jim Cramer.

    • volodya August 8, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

      It comes out of a flood of Fed money printing.

      The world economy can’t work with manufacturing re-located to shit-hole slave-wage regimes. Those good paying jobs that industrial workers used to have in Europe and North America are now buck an hour labor in China and India.

      And so to prop up demand the Fed and other central banks suppressed interest rates via massive money printing. The result was a series of bubbles: dot com, derivatives, real estate and now stocks and bonds. That’s why the Dow is where it’s at.

      The Oligarchs cut their own throats by globalizing ie offshoring. They wrecked the world economy. Financial market ponzis are what’s left. If the Oligarchs can’t make money honestly by paying people decent wages to produce goods and and then selling those goods, then they’ll damn well do it dishonestly.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

        Consider another possibility: they know. Cloward and Piven on a massive scale. They overload the system, it crashes, a mass die off of the population – and they emerge from their strong holds as the Masters of the World. The nation is the enemy of all this hence they hate Trump, the tariff, etc. And love Globalism and everything that weakens the Nation State.

        • volodya August 8, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

          Yes, the nation state is a damned nuisance, with borders and laws and all those contrivances that get in the way of making a buck.

          And yes, they may know, or SOME may know, and those may really think that they’ll come out just fine in their gated and guarded compounds. They may think that precipitating a crisis will be the way to secure their own power and wealth.

          But, in my view, history isn’t on their side. They may TRY to be masters of their strongholds but there’s a lot of really tough guys out there and some of those tough guys will end up commanding legions of armed men. The Oligarchs will have to find armed men willing to take a bullet. They better have a plan in mind for the self-interest of the potential bullet-takers or it’s game over.

          I think that when regimes topple, they topple. The elites that ran things find themselves on the outs and lucky to stay alive.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 5:16 am #

            Yes, no one can forsee all possibilities. Life may very well defeat them, at least in some places. They dare much – and may live to regret it. Or not live to regret it.

  31. amb August 8, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

    Might be best to just disconnect from the media, election and society at large and solely put your attention on your own personal, family and work situation. Create your own “economy” and start surviving and thriving in your area on a local level. Get others to join in. Enhance the things that matter around you. Focus your interest, intention, attention and efforts where they really matter.

    Maybe just leave society to itself? It will self-destruct eventually–when the current powers that be run out of tricks and unusual solutions. Ignore the federal government and don’t support or cooperate with them. Work on your local government.

    And, when this “runaway train society” does finally hit the wall and crash, you may not even hear it. May not even find out about it. You won’t care. You’ll be too busy living your own life. Thriving in your local environment with like-minded, cooperative individuals.

    The herd always gets a good thinning every so often.

    • dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm #

      “put your attention on your own personal, family and work situation.” –

      amb

      These should be your Highest Priorities under any circumstances. Keeps you head straight.

  32. Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

    Remember air raid shelters? Civil Defense? Funny stuff, right? When America was sane, these things were taken seriously. After the coup, it just became a thing of mockery. Saving American lives? What for?

    The Elite take their lives very seriously. As do healthy nations like Switzerland.

  33. FincaInTheMountains August 8, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

    New York rumors

    1. Hillary Clinton is hopelessly ill. She has a brain cancer, and is involved in the presidential race only to bring to power the stooge of the Party of War Vice President Tim Kane. This ferret with shifty eyes lacks Bastinda’s personal qualities, but from my point of view, it is most likely Bastinda’s cover story. All will relax, “Bastinda ah and oh” and she will suddenly get better, and we’ll all get a chance to kick a bucket as soon as she gets her little hands on the red button.

    2. Trump got burned. He said that Putin is not going to send troops to Ukraine, and now “terminally ill” Bastinda will do everything in her power to make Russia still send troops only to dunk Trump a couple of times into his prediction. In particular, the day before yesterday saboteurs attempted to break through to the Crimea is from that series.

    3. But the big success is in the making for Putin in Syria. The last two weeks ISIS collected all reserves for the release of Aleppo, and Russian aircraft for some reason, on a completely open area could not prevent them from focusing on closed positions for the attack.

    And they did de-blocked Aleppo, and all of these reserves entered the city, followed by the Russian encirclement closed down again isolating all that reserves inside. Now you just need to methodically destroy, as from captivity, they would break out and then start a new war.

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:12 am #

      Re: “New York rumors” – FINCA

      Live from NYC!!!!

      1. Hillary Clinton is hopelessly ill. – FALSE

      2. Trump got burned. TRUE (NYC Bookies can’t even get enough ‘action’ on Trump to make odds).

      3. But the big success is in the making for Putin – NOBODY CARES

  34. volodya August 8, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

    Thank you Qshtik, I stand corrected.

  35. wpa_ccc August 8, 2016 at 4:23 pm #

    As Jim so succinctly states this week: “Wake the fuck up!”

    Consider these news headlines

    “Delta Warns of Chaos After Power Outage, Worldwide System Failure”

    All four major airlines have had outages as our infrastructure crumbles from lack of public investment.

    “Reuters investigation reveals $8.5 trillion – that’s trillion with a “T” – in taxpayer money doled out by Congress to the Pentagon since 1996 that has never been accounted for.”

    “ASCE Report Estimates Failure to Act on Infrastructure Costs Families $3,400 a Year”

    We have, or had, the money for public investment. We have the money to fix our infrastructure, but we pissed it away, we are pissing it away on “defense” or rather giving it to warmongering thieves with no accountability. Changing metaphors, we threw the money down the Pentagon rathole.

    “Hall of Fame Game between Packers, Colts canceled”

    Now even our “sports entertainment” is subject to infrastructure neglect.

    And our problems related to basic services and sports entertainment will appear small potatoes if one of our presidential candidates initiates a thermonuclear exchange.

    “9 Terrifying Things Donald Trump Has Publicly Said About Nuclear Weapons”

    Trump said he might use nuclear weapons and questioned why we would make them if we wouldn’t use them

    thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicly-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc…

    With mass death and nuclear winter we will very quickly forget about the Long Emergency and become very focused on a Short Emergency : survival in the near term.

    It doesn’t have to be that way if we elect a sane person as president. Both may be corrupt. Both may lie. But only one is jonesing to use nuclear weapons.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 8, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

      “But only one is jonesing to use nuclear weapons.”

      And who that might be, if you don’t mind me asking?

      • wpa_ccc August 8, 2016 at 5:15 pm #

        Hillary Clinton responded to questions about nuclear weapons modernization and the military industrial complex. She agreed we have to find a way to rid the world of nuclear weapons and said she would start a high-level commission to study how to make weapons procurement decisions more resistant to the political influence of weapons makers.

        Donald Trump, speaking with a “foreign policy expert,” repeatedly asked “why can’t we use nuclear weapons.”

  36. wpa_ccc August 8, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

    REPUBLICANS ARE WAKING UP

    Dozens of the Republican Party’s most experienced national security officials will not vote for GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, they wrote in an open letter released Monday.

    “We are convinced that [Trump] would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being,” said the former officials, many of whom held top positions in the George W. Bush administration.

    “Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be President,” they added. “He weakens U.S. moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary.”

  37. FincaInTheMountains August 8, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

    ..and what’s up with the ratings?

    — CNN claims that it is 49/39 in favor of Hillary.
    What gives, we all gonna die more quickly than planned?

    — Are you nuts? CNN claims! Hillary has no more than 10% supports, and the polls were conducted to demoralize the enemy, and in preparation for the subsequent election forgery

  38. JimInFlorida August 8, 2016 at 5:58 pm #

    I have yet to see anybody really address what keeps our fiat currency going. Even the almighty and omniscient JHK failed to spot it.

    For much of humanity’s existence, fiat currencies are usually fixed to some physical underlying asset from which to multiply lines of credit. When we get apoplectic over escalating trillions in new debt, we believe that it is just more paper that represents a limited fixed aggregation of physical assets. In othe words, the debt that can’t be paid off because there aren’t enough fixed assets to go around. You have to expand your minds outside the box to grasp the next step…

    Our fiat currency derives its power from capturing INCOME STREAMS. Fixed assets are limited. The power to create CHAOS, disruptions, regulatory compliance costs, contracts, fees, legal action, and lawsuits, can create ENDLESS income streams. Social disruption via 3rd world immigration forces money to move as Whites escape the degradation of their social environment or attempt to fortify themselves in place. Since 1967, Whites have been forced to spend money to insulate themselves from neighborhood problems that had not existed before. But, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    Money movement created by disruption requires new money to be created in order make those income streams happen AND the ability to skim endless rents. WAR is the best way to create massive income streams by funding the Military-Industrial Complex. That involves SPENDING THE CREDIT INTO EXISTENCE by making weapons, borrowing against the expected war booty, and then creating credit for reconstruction. Only the promise of war booty has any potential to qualify as a fixed asset. The rest are disruptions that force the need for credit flows to be created, which creates money to flow into the damaged area and pay off the cronies who purport to be fixing things.

    With that view of “money” in mind, hell, we can run the “deficit” to a HUNDRED TRILLION if we want. Between HERE and where the oligarchs have the POWER TO TAKE US, has arbitrage value!!! WHAT ARE YOU WILL TO PAY TO BE LEFT ALONE??? That is a new income stream for our Economic Rent Skimming class to exploit!

    Kill the billionaires or billions will be killed. It’s just that simple.

    • JimInFlorida August 8, 2016 at 6:07 pm #

      Somehow, my keyboard misspelled on me!

      The last ALL CAPS sentence should read, “WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY TO BE LEFT ALONE???”

      Blackmail and extortion are forces that can be securitized and then commodified. There is practically no limit to that asset class and We Teh Sheep still have untapped debt potential yet to be stripped.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:58 am #

        “Somehow, my keyboard misspelled on me!” – JimInFlorida

        Can I use your excuse?
        It covers a lot of sins.
        Otherwise folks think I just don’t care.

  39. wpa_ccc August 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm #

    “Kill the billionaires…” –JiminFlorida

    Trump is a billionaire. You want to kill him. Not a smart thing to post on a public forum.

    • JimInFlorida August 8, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

      I NEVER threaten violence.

      I only call upon the Universe to summon him who would restore the right order of things on the Earth, especially in the West.

      Trump may be the best of a wicked lot. As billionaires go, he’s a piker and a newbie who arose out of the primordial ooze of nascent Reaganomics. If the Universe raised up a Great Man who could marshal the world against the Billionaires, Trump would be among the first to surrender his wealth to be nationalized in order to save his own hide.

      Total penance along those lines would be an acceptable alternative to extermination. Most billionaires, however, are the nucleus of a vast crime network and couldn’t do the right thing if they wanted to. Those billionaires would have to be sacrificed to destroy the crime syndicate.

      • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 1:19 am #

        summon him who would restore the right order of things” That’s an artful dodge.

        • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 6:40 am #

          I forgot to add that I am against billionaires as a CLASS. I am against Reaganomics (and Thatcherism) which enabled the rise of that parasitic class.

          It is always possible that an individual billionaire can repent of that sin and surrender his/her ill-gotten gain to The Great Man who comes in the name of the people. How the Universe will orchestrate his rise will be a mystery. But, I digress…

          The psychopathy of the typical billionaire makes the odds of repentance very small. Hence, the sacrifice of them is an unavoidable necessity to save Civilization itself. Not just for his crimes of grand theft but, the vast crime syndicate that manifests through the billionaire.

        • wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 6:43 am #

          A death threat by JiminFlorida.. Illegal. Puts JHK’s enterprise at risk.

          • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 8:56 am #

            Don’t put words in my mouth, wpa! You know full well what the difference is between a Historical Sanction against organized crime vs a “death threat” against an individual!

            Quite often, death is the only cure for organized evil, especially when Due Process is incapable of expurgating it. Even the Bible endorses it! The Bhagavad Gita endorses it. YOUR PRECIOUS QUR’AN enthusiastically endorses it!!!

          • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

            a repeat of last week’s comment

          • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 4:45 pm #

            It was good enough to be repeated!

      • Elrond Hubbard August 9, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

        JimInFlorida: “I… call upon the Universe to summon him who would restore the right order of things on the Earth.”

        Yeah, and tell him to pick up a pizza.

        “If the Universe raised up a Great Man who could marshal the world against the Billionaires, Trump would be among the first to surrender his wealth to be nationalized in order to save his own hide.”

        Trump, surrender his wealth? Oh sir, you are too witty.

        • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

          You haven’t read much ancient literature, have you? The metaphors and poetic angst over the March of Tyranny still rings true, today.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:15 am #

            cheer up

          • Elrond Hubbard August 11, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

            JimInFlorida, I don’t buy into Great Man theories or other such superstitious nonsense. The entire premise of your country is that human beings are capable of running their own affairs. In order to do that, they have to keep their shit together. Now that your country’s shit is clearly unravelling, I see you looking for supernatural intervention from some undesignated thing called the Universe to fix it for you, when what you should be doing is shaping up (i.e. making your country’s institutions work again).

            Your Great Man is wish-fulfillment clothed in flesh, not a solution to anything. Janos does the same thing: calling upon the majuscule One Who will cure history and ring in the fascist Millennium. Such manifestations are the monsters of history. I have no hope for Janos but there might be some for you. Please get over the Great Man.

  40. malthuss August 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm #

    H Clinton –Does she have Parkinson’s Disease?

    • peakfuture August 8, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

      On Boats:

      thwack August 8, 2016 at 11:43 am wrote:

      What about boats?

      This is the big reason for Dmitry Orlov’s Quidnon project – designing a boat that anyone can build and sail, and that is perfect for the kinds of mischief that is bound to come along.

      quidnon.blogspot.com/

      I was hoping in the latest WMBH novel, we might have the Union Grove folks see a few of them in Albany, near the docks.

      On Engineers/Scientists:

      As far as engineer/scientists go, a few have pointed out that we’ve got trouble ahead, and made it very readable and understandable, most notably, in Sustainable Energy Without The Hot Air – http://www.withouthotair.com

      JHK might not have a perfectly clear crystal ball, but ironically, fiction may do a better job of bringing reality to the society than all the technical tomes and engineers in the world. A small point (written a few months ago):

      It is certainly worth restating – Art is Important. It can distill a worldview (albiet sometimes simplistically, and without nuance) that can connect with anyone and everyone. Now, of course, Art of all kinds has been perverted into propaganda by many folks (Leni Riefentahl’s Triumph of the Will is the poster child for this), and the effect of the flag that almost conquered the world is still pretty powerful (so much so it is banned in Germany). Like any tool, Art can be wielded for good or not-so-good purposes. Here is a telling quote, from the creator of the ‘anti’-Triumph of the Will (Why We Fight), Frank Capra:

      “…[Triumph of the Will] fired no gun, dropped no bombs. But as a psychological weapon aimed at destroying the will to resist, it was just as lethal.”

      Artists/authors/non-technical folks may not get it completely right, but they can paint the big broad strokes that make us wake up and take notice.

    • wpa_ccc August 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm #

      Poor, sickly Hillary Clinton! Rarely is the question asked: how Hillary is able to stick to her strenuous schedule of Benghazi-ing people with her emails while murdering a million Vince Fosters, when she’s clearly dying of something. Or EVERYTHING. She might be dying of everything.

      But I suspect, Malthuss, what you are mistaking for Parkinson’s Disease is just visible shaking that happens when Satan enters and leaves her body.

  41. Frankiti August 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm #

    “Nobody in power can come to grips with the reality of our situation. We have to salvage what we can and get smaller, becoming a more modest presence here, or the planet itself is going to hit the delete button on us.”

    Humans are not apart from the planet. They are an organ, a failing organ jeopardizing the earth body. Humans are killing themselves by killing the planet. A mammalian virus on the planet body. They have the capacity to live within it, in accordance, but their self aggrandizement, and their self as superior and separate, the illusion they created, threatens the delicate balance that life on earth demands. We are hitting the delete button on earth, and seeing the erasure writ large.

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:16 am #

      “We are hitting the delete button on earth, and seeing the erasure writ large.” – Frankiti

      lighten up

  42. tucsonspur August 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

    “For much of humanity’s existence, fiat currencies are usually fixed to some physical underlying asset…” JIF

    Jim, isn’t the very definition of fiat money, “money decreed legal tender, but not backed by physical assets”?

    “Blackmail and extortion are forces that can be securitized and then commodified”.

    Thought provoking. Fits right in with the state theory of money, which says that fiat money has extrinsic value because of state power. People work for this money because it satisfies the state. Taxes, e. g.

    Amazing, the abstractions that can arise around money.

    As long as I’m not told “my cash ain’t nothin’ but trash”, I’m okay.

    • JimInFlorida August 8, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

      You’re right. I described Fiduciary Money, which DOES have the anchor of some physical value.

      STILL,,, even fiat money must first arise from Fiduciary Money! Fiat money that arises of its own accord is worthless. But, if it arose from something that was once trusted, then fiat money could continue on and still summon the fading ghost in our minds that recalls physical value.

      As for blackmail and extortion, I forgot to add “Social Friction.”
      One could value Extortion as the Gold Standard.
      Blackmail as the Silver Standard.
      Social Friction as the everyday spending money of tyranny.

      • messianicdruid August 9, 2016 at 9:12 am #

        Gold is a sapling, silver is an acorn. Bury some now. It will feed and clothe you later.

  43. SomeoneInAsia August 8, 2016 at 8:56 pm #

    You know, last night I had a dream (really) in which I was back in college and Kunstler’s ‘Long Emergency’ was actually offered as a module with Kunstler himself giving the lectures and running the tutorials. I signed up for the module at first but later it crept into my mind that if everything he said were true, college itself would just become pointless, so I started skipping his classes and neglecting my work. 😛

    I want to stress that the above is emphatically not intended as a slight to Kunstler and his work, for which I profess only the highest respect. It just seemed odd I should have a dream like this. 🙂

    • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 1:03 am #

      Perhaps the dream is saying beware the negative waves!?

    • elysianfield August 9, 2016 at 11:39 am #

      “if everything he said were true, college itself would just become pointless, so I started skipping his classes and neglecting my work. ”

      Asia,
      Your posting made me think of earthquake insurance. On the West Coast, we are long overdue for a 9+ event, and insurance premiums for earthquake coverage is currently a full 1/2 of homeowner premiums, should one purchase a rider. The seismic event, geological history has projected , will be catastrophic to the extent that the targeted area could cover hundreds of miles, and will perhaps destroy the majority of infrastructure, as well as all structures, miles inland from the sea. It occurred to me that no insurance company or underwriter, or cabal of underwriters, would have the resources to cover even a small percentage of the damage. I dropped my earthquake coverage several years ago.

  44. dannyboy August 8, 2016 at 9:01 pm #

    “the parlous mysteries of finance and economics”

    “Borrow tons more money to get American running gear back in order so we can return to a growth economy.”

    “Alexander Hamilton’s world of cornucopian American abundance, just needing to borrow a little from the future to get at the gargantuan riches ”

    “The institutions that govern borrowing have been pretending for some time that our debts can be paid back. ”

    “The many dodges and stratagems tried by the supreme central bankers”

    …IN SUMMARY, it’s great to be a Banker!

    Now, I’ll go back and sample the Comments for some useful pearls.

    • elysianfield August 9, 2016 at 11:41 am #

      “…IN SUMMARY, it’s great to be a Banker!”

      Dannyboy,
      How about being a pawnbroker?

      • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

        Loved the movie!

        Rod Steiger for President!

  45. Pucker August 8, 2016 at 10:37 pm #

    Why is it that they never do an autopsy?

    zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-05/lead-attorney-anti-clinton-dnc-fraud-case-mysteriously-found-dead

  46. Despatch from HQ INGSOC August 8, 2016 at 11:26 pm #

    V Bhukov
    Minister of Minority Reparations and Majority Replacement
    Airstrip 2
    District 1

    ////:Top Secret////

    message to Comrade Badenov MinLuv***uncoded***

    Comrade! Your extraordinary effort to liquidate Thought Criminals by mass public hanging has not gone unnoticed ! As such, it is my pleasure and duty to inform you … you have been awarded with The Order of the Red Star.

    Congratulations Comrade Badenov!

    It is our wish here at HQ INGSOC that these efforts be expanded and accelerated, at the same time cannot these events be recorded on film, not only the mass hangings but the interrogations and trials that led up to them.? Create a narrative, Comrade Badenov, and don’t spare the blood. We will screen them at our ‘Festivals of Hate’ in Peoples Halls across Airstrip 2.

    Let the Proles and non citizens know what they are in for if they do not show sufficient Love for the State.

    VBhukov
    MinRap

  47. Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2016 at 11:30 pm #

    Lo there do I see my father;
    Lo there do I see my mother
    and my sisters and my brothers;
    Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
    Lo, they do call me, they bid me take my place among them,
    in the halls of Valhalla,
    where the brave may live forever.

    Who wants to invade Canada and reclaim it for the White Race?

    • bukowskisghost August 8, 2016 at 11:51 pm #

      Jim,
      Please eliminate the comment section. Enough of the narcissist trolls who exhibit symptoms of “page rage” and other assorted maladies of inadequate parenting and/or spectrum based disorders……..Makes me want to holler, hold up both my hands

      • SomeoneInAsia August 9, 2016 at 12:16 am #

        No need for such extreme measures as eliminating the comment section. Just treat those narcissist trolls and their posts as the barking of so many rabid dogs.

        The end is nigh and they know it, so they just want to indulge in some rabid barking while they can. Have pity on them and let them do so. 🙂

      • K-Dog August 9, 2016 at 1:00 am #

        Dude, it has been going on for years.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 4:10 am #

          I give a beautiful, ancient prayer and Buk Wheat freaks out. Wtf! Demonic.

        • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:37 pm #

          “Please eliminate the comment section.” – bukowskisghost

          “No need for such extreme measures as eliminating the comment section.” – SomeOneInAsia

          “Dude, it has been going on for years.” K-Dog

          Ergo, just “eliminate” the “rabid dog”.

          QED

      • cbeard August 9, 2016 at 7:10 am #

        Are you kidding. The comments section is the main reason that I visit this site. There is a lot of BS here, but also a lot of good commentary and links to other info.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:01 am #

          WARNING!

          Don’t click links to Russian threats.

    • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 6:46 am #

      Canada is part of the ZOG Titanic; the bow is underwater and sinking fast.

      Russia is White America’s HMS Carpathia. We may be in the lifeboats among the harsh waters of tyranny before our salvation arrives, though.

      • ozone August 9, 2016 at 1:30 pm #

        JIF,
        Do you really think that Russia will welcome neo-nazis/separatists/segregationists with open arms? What manner of mind-altering substances must one take to come to this strange conclusion?

        • ozone August 9, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

          While we’re in the arena of the puzzling, when is that sky-ghost drifting down to slay his (or should we say: your) enemies? Do you get to gleefully watch the horror and blood-letting from Rapture City up in the clouds? Sounds like big fun (for *some* folks).

          • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

            Yes, we shall look down from heaven and see you turning on a spit far, far below. As if you don’t enjoy the thought of White Nationalists being torn apart by your minority thugs. I wish I have a nickel for every time a “liberal” expressed this fantasy to me.

            In contrast, I will weep for you, my tears scalding you in your hellish pride.

        • ozone August 9, 2016 at 7:49 pm #

          Well, I guess the vlad-erator is with youse! (There’s always that…)
          Birds of delusions flock to weird conclusions.
          …And the very best of luck with that Whytopia deal that makes for such a fine distraction EACH and EVERY week. (It’s a good thing you’re not “real”.)

        • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 9:43 pm #

          Unfortunately, we don’t have any Real Russians on this forum. Finca is the closest thing to an ersatz “Russian” that we have.

          The so-called neo-nazis/separatists/segregationists/etc. have the same enemies as Real Russians in Russia have. Putin is savvy enough to know that such people, displaced from their rightful homeland, would make excellent patriots for Russia.

          I’ve already mentioned before that Putin is offering homesteading opportunities in the Russian taiga for WHITE BRITONS who realize that their ancient homeland is lost and are willing to pioneer the Russian wilderness and make a new home for themselves and their offspring. The homesteads are modest but, I’m sure a bit of a bribe can easily yield up a more substantial land holding if one can show the wherewithal to work it.

          • ozone August 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

            P-Ha!
            Thou mistaketh me for one of the mis/un-informed masses of Trump/Hillary supporters, minion-boey.
            Yes, I’ve edmukated myself as to these homesteading offers in the Russian far-east. (…As buffer-folk for Nippon’s claims in that particular area.)
            Please hie thee hence (with bribes hotly handled) and let us all know how that goes. Be sure to declare your “beliefs” to immigration officials, as I’m certain that will be helpful in pleading your case… especially as you probably don’t speak a lick of Russian.

            (This is such a rich and wonderful case of ignorance and delusion triumphing over plausibility. Hitler-humpers unite!)

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:21 am #

            “Putin is savvy enough to know that such people, displaced from their rightful homeland, would make excellent patriots for Russia.” – JimInFlorida

            He’s running OUR Game.

            copycat!

      • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 4:26 pm #

        “Russia is White America’s HMS Carpathia.” – JimInFlorida

        …and yet you stay on the Titanic. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

    • messianicdruid August 9, 2016 at 9:14 am #

      Do we have to tell anyone?

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:15 am #

        “Everybody Knows”

        by The Great Jewish Leonard Cohen

    • Elrond Hubbard August 9, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

      “Sunny day, sweeping the clouds away… Friendly neighbours there, that’s where we meet.” Friendly neighbours indeed, and ones I’m glad to have.

      Except they have this one cousin who gives off this… vibe. He needn’t say a word — you just instinctively cross the street, avoid eye contact, and breathe a sigh of relief once he’s out of sight.

  48. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 3:36 am #

    Entire Russian Team Banned from Participating in Paralympic Games == me

    Russian Federal Anti-monopoly Agency fined Apple for $10 billion.

    Agency found signs of price fixing in Russia from distributors of iPhones, which led to the establishment of equal retail prices for their smartphones.

    Now US will know how to offend Russians with disabilities.

  49. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 3:50 am #

    WSJ: Taliban, Islamic State Forge Alliance of Convenience in Eastern Afghanistan – against Americans

    wsj.com/articles/taliban-islamic-state-forge-informal-alliance-in-eastern-afghanistan-1470611849

    The most terrifying words in the English language – Secretary of State Victoria Nuland under President Hillary Clinton

    The sisterhood of the incompetent witches.

    • sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 1:25 pm #

      Just a side note: Victoria Nuland, of f**k the EU fame, is the daughter of a physician who wrote an interesting book titled How We Die.

  50. Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 5:12 am #

    Black Elk’s Prayer

    Grandfather, Great Spirit, once more behold me on earth and lean to hear my feeble voice. You lived first, and you are older than all need, older than all prayer. All things belong to you — the two-legged, the four-legged, the wings of the air,
    and all green things that live.

    “You have set the powers of the four quarters of the earth to cross each other. You have made me cross the good road and road of difficulties, and where they cross, the place is holy. Day in, day out, forevermore, you are the life of things.”

    Hey! Lean to hear my feeble voice.
    At the center of the sacred hoop
    You have said that I should make the tree to bloom.

    With tears running, O Great Spirit, my Grandfather,
    With running eyes I must say
    The tree has never bloomed

    Here I stand, and the tree is withered.
    Again, I recall the great vision you gave me.

    It may be that some little root of the sacred tree still lives.
    Nourish it then
    That it may leaf
    And bloom
    And fill with singing birds!

    Hear me, that the people may once again
    Find the good road
    And the shielding tree.

    Maybe this will ease his hate filled heart

  51. Cold N. Holefield August 9, 2016 at 6:45 am #

    Greater than 220 comments of bankrupt angst and yet none of you can move the needle of necessary, positive Change one teeny weeny little bit. Talk about feckless & impotent. And yet you have the nerve to complain. This is the house all of you built. It’s the result of your neglect, and now the house has been condemned and is being demolished. You had your chance. It was once your’s, but no longer. There is no turning back the clock. There is only Back to the Future even though you borrowed and spent that future. The future is an I.O.U. you can use to wipe your ass one last time before you take your last breath of a rather unfulfilling and unremarkable life.

    • messianicdruid August 9, 2016 at 9:28 am #

      First you bury a 20×9 diesel tank on a hill. Clean it out real good and stock it with stuff. Then you plant a couple oak trees over it. Put a steel door in and hunker down. Wait 66 years, cut a hole under a tree, and drill up into the hollow trunk. Work slowly until you have access to the upper limbs. Then you can build a tree house high off the ground with a stairway and basement. You will be able to spy on your neighbors and call 911 on them and they won’t know you are living under the hill. When Gandy shows up you don’t have to answer the door.

    • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 9:43 am #

      Profound comment, Cold. The building is condemned and fit only to be torn down. All that can be done is for the rightful inheritors to seize what can be salvaged from the estate and sue for damages against those who sabotaged the National Home in the first place.

      I’ve said before that we have no excuse, because the alleged “Conspiracy Theory” crowd all foretold of this decades ago. The madness of inviting termites, roaches, and hostile guests into the National House for the sake of some delusion called DIVERSITY would even test the strength of the bloated DSM-5 to diagnose!

      Even slaves may complain even though they have no power to effect change. The ancient holy books even say that the blood of a man, wrongfully slain, on the ground can cry to the Universe for a witness and Judgement! To cry out against the guilty is a RIGHT, even if it is impotent to action.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

        Speaking of rats, Clock Boy is back to collect the rent. He says he’s frightened in his old home town now, and goes around with sunglasses and his hood up. Sudan is so much better, he says. No one cares what religion you are there. (!)

        dailystormer.com/clock-boy-returns-files-lawsuit/

    • Dumbedup August 9, 2016 at 1:27 pm #

      Damn cogent Cold. Damn cogent.

      Reflecting back on earlier posts, I don’t think our problems are due to a lack of technical know how. We can solve the technical problems – the engineering problems. The problem is a lack of political will and a lack of faith. There are pockets of people here and there seeking political solutions to the problems of corruption and economics but they don’t gain much steam. At least not so far. And it really is a matter of will; a matter of effort and possibly sacrifice. In my circle of friends I am always trying to persuade people to look at the bigger picture. But I am constantly amazed at how people will cling to the smallest most insignificant issue.

      I tend to see smaller issues as manifestations of larger and systemic problems. Take “road rage” for example. You only have to drive a little ways on a highway to see it. We are impatient, prone to aggressive behavior and even violent behavior even when behind the wheel of a 4 ton vehicle. Do you tailgate and flash your lights when someone is going slower than you to try and intimidate the person to speed up or change lanes? Do you close the gap between you and the person you are following to keep the car on your left from changing lanes and getting in front of you? Do you drive 15-20 mph over the speed limit even when pulling a trailer or boat? Do you traffic weave or pass on the right side?

      We rail about bullies but we are a nation of bullies. It is reflected in our personal habits and in our relations with others. We want our way because we believe we are more important than the person next to us. We use every instrument available to get ahead of everyone else and we lack compassion and empathy for others. We call them whiny and bewail “political correctness” and believe kindness, generosity and civility is for “losers.” We engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics like denial and projection to excuse our nastiness.

      The nature of the world we live in is that we either believe we are all God’s creatures and entitled to respect, dignity and equal treatment or we must concede that we are inferior. Because there will always be people who are greater or lesser than ourselves.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 5:31 pm #

        You don’t believe in equality either. You think you are morally superior to Conservative Whites and morally inferior to any and all Minorities; the more alien they are to you the more inferior you feel. Blacks, being the most alien and most “challenged”, you feel to be the highest of all – entitled to live off of Whites forever.

        You would betray another White in an instant if you could thereby be of service to your dark gods. All the better if another Cosmic White sees you do this – Points!

        In fact there is no equality anywhere, but it is a useful abstraction in Western Law and Mathematics. Of course you don’t like that Western crap. At the ultimate spiritual level there is a kind of equality in that all things have Buddha nature. But that doesn’t change that inequality is the rule of the relative level.

    • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

      “Greater than 220 comments of bankrupt angst and yet none of you can move the needle of necessary, positive” – Cold N. Holefield

      I’m happy with what I got.

  52. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 8:01 am #

    Two Benghazi Parents Sue Hillary Clinton for Wrongful Death, Defamation

    “The Benghazi attack was directly and proximately caused, at a minimum by defendant Clinton’s ‘extreme carelessness’ in handling confidential and classified information,” such as the location of State Department employees in Libya, the lawsuit said.

    While no such connection has ever been established, their lawsuit called it “highly probable” that Clinton sent and received information about the activities of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

    Such information, the lawsuit claimed, “easily found its way to foreign powers” and was then obtained by Islamic terrorists.

    nbcnews.com/news/world/two-benghazi-parents-sue-hillary-clinton-wrongful-death-defamation-n625861

    I was saying it all along: Hillary setup Ambassador Stevens and the entire US intelligence network in the ME for capture and subsequent torture by ISIS, and her Email Server was a communication device between her and DAESH.

    • sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 1:17 pm #

      Finca– . . .Hillary setup [set up] Ambassador Stevens . . .
      ========================
      Setup is a noun or an adjective. I don’t like this setup. Do you know the setup protocol?

      Set up is a verb followed by an adverb.

      No apology for the pedantry. (Sorry about that, Q.)

  53. Bazz August 9, 2016 at 9:32 am #

    The loans will never be paid back so why not just borrow more ?
    It really just originates as pixel money turns into work done and then paid back. Inflation, why worry ? Just shift the decimal point left every
    now and then. There never was any money so it can’t be lost if it did not exist.

    • wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 9:59 am #

      Ding! Ding! Ding!

      Electrons back up our fiat money, and have done so reliably for decades. Electrons can be trusted. They are always working, busy spinning, etc. Electrons are not a finite resource. The same goes for decimal points. Decimal points even more so. They literally, by definition, take up no space. They weigh nothing… Yet international economies use electrons and decimal points every day to manage billions, trillions, of financial transactions.

      JiminFlorida, fiat money is nonexistent, a tempest in a teapot. Much ado about literally nothing.

      • Florida Power August 9, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

        So why didn’t Obama send a pallet full of electrons to Iran?

        Why Euros and Swiss Francs?

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:04 am #

          Iran hasn’t caught up to us on the electronic money thang.

          • Florida Power August 10, 2016 at 10:00 am #

            No, the sanctions excluded Iran from the swift system.

            The Euros and Swiss Francs I conclude were Iran’s way of adding insult to the transaction.

            The bottom line is that electrons don’t back up anything. Just as paper money is more convenient than other forms, electronic money is more convenient than paper. As long as confidence is maintained, or in the case of electronic money the power stays on, the system works.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:19 am #

            ” in the case of electronic money the power stays on, the system works.”

            I GET YOU “the power stays on” written by “Florida Power”.

            That’s Good!

    • FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 12:26 pm #

      As long as you don’t try to exchange your pixels for real goods in other countries, like oil or food or 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium, pixel between yourself to your heart’s blessing!

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:22 am #

        “Don’t worry, be happy!”

        who said that?

  54. AHtheHumanity August 9, 2016 at 10:50 am #

    Every 30 seconds Trump’s name is mentioned in mainstream media, mostly by people who can’t stand him. There’s so many people who can’t stand Trump and it’s their moral imperative to leave the Republican Party and their office in D.C. to let everyone know how much they would not like Donald Trump in the oval office. Their goal is to unify the country, not divide it; Trump is so dangerous. Yet, on the flip side we hear nothing more about the DNC scandal and why Bernie Sanders became an Independent. We hear nothing about the revelations concerning leaked Clinton correspondence and how she’s been bought and paid for by special interests outside the U.S. And there’s the whole elephant in the room that resembles her husband, a former president of the U.S. So who is really going to be running things if she is elected? How dangerous is all of THAT? There’s going to be a lot of “writing in the candidate’s name” come election time and I hope we have enough people who can read the writing. I don’t think I can stand another season of hanging chads syndrome. Politics is absolutely repulsive.

  55. sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 10:53 am #

    We have to salvage what we can and get smaller, becoming a more modest presence here, or the planet itself is going to hit the delete button on us.–JHK, 8/8/16
    ========================
    I do not have a citation for the following papal statement. I do not know where or when it was said, but it seems very plausible to me that it was an actual statement.

    A friend recently told me that, soon after he was elected Pope, Francis said, “They do not know what they have done.” Meaning he would work for radical change in the Church; change that most of the cardinals would consider profound beyond their wildest dreams (or nightmares).

    In light of our host’s prescription that humankind must become “a more modest presence here”, it is my fervent hope that Pope Francis will be able to lift the Church’s ban on artificial contraception.

    I think the Pope may have such an initiative in mind. We recall that he recently noted with disdain that Catholics in many countries are “breeding like rabbits”. It is inconceivable (pun intended) that John Paul II or Benedict would ever have said such a thing!

    Nowhere is overpopulation in a Catholic country more devastating than in Brazil, where the irreplaceable rainforest is being slashed and burned, and the venue for Olympic marathon swimming is grossly polluted. Not to mention Brazil’s widespread poverty,

    • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 1:44 pm #

      I’d like to think that Brazil’s problem is not overpopulation, so much as gross under-utilization and mismanagement of its labor resources. No doubt the lack of Labor Rights and Economic Rights spawned such negligence.

      The stripping of the rain forest was not converted into physical prosperity but, into credit from the World Bank and the IMF. Brazilians didn’t use that money to industrialize and organize themselves along proven Western models but, just spent it on imported items and consumption. Not much Trickled Down, either. The money came and went but the debt remained.

      As I remember, Brazil did make an effort long ago to become self-sufficient with their transportation infrastructure i.e. alcohol fuels, domestic production of VW’s, commercial aircraft, etc. Unfortunately, the spores of Reaganomics and Thatcherism infected much of the world. Brazil caught its share, became very ill, and has not recovered since.

      Thus, Brazil has filthy cities, pollution, insufficient infrastructure, mass poverty, and crushing interest payments that MUST be paid or, what little currency wealth they do have will vaporize.

      Pope Francis should rain the very fires of Hell down on Brazil’s elites and the banksters who own them! The Pope should tell them to put the people of Brazil to work, pay the workers FIRST, then the Vatican can discuss birth control. If all goes well, Brazil may develop a labor shortage and that they had better make more Brazilians!

      • malthuss August 9, 2016 at 6:10 pm #

        Janos has noted the Mulattos [in the Favelas] create filthy conditions, poverty and violence.

        • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

          I’ll confess ignorance of Brazil’s demographics. Hence, my optimistic outlook on their potential and what could be done to marshal that potential into action.

          Brown and mongrelized countries are doomed. History has no mercy on White countries that have thrown away their precious heritage for the sake of alien demigods.

          • malthuss August 10, 2016 at 10:28 am #

            Brazil is mostly non White, I gather.

            Mulattoes, Blacks, Japanese, Id guess.

            I dont know how many of the ‘Indians’ survived the deforestation.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:07 am #

        “If all goes well, Brazil may develop a labor shortage and that they had better make more Brazilians!” – JimInFlorida

        Did you watch those 2 Brazilian gals in yesterday’s Olympics Volleyball Match?

        Sweaty, lunging, twisting and barely clad. The perfect overture to ‘making more babies’.

        Plus they had a Latin Band playing courtside. mmmmmmmmmmmmm!

      • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 9:54 am #

        If all goes well, Brazil may develop a labor shortage and that they had better make more Brazilians!
        ================================
        Maybe it’s nothing more than my belief, but I actually think it’s grounded in reality and logic. There are limits to growth. There cannot be unlimited growth on a finite planet.

        I do not want the earth to become a monoculture of humans, with the last of the rain forest cut down and the thousands of species it once provided for extinct. Too much has been lost already. We need to limit the human footprint on the planet.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:21 am #

          “Too much has been lost already.” – sprawlcapital

          You worry too much.

  56. volodya August 9, 2016 at 11:11 am #

    Money is a claim on future production. In order for that claim to be good there needs to be future production of merchandise and services commensurate with the production of money.

    In the last generation the Fed stoked massive overproduction of money relative to production in the real U.S. economy. At the time this was called “The Great Moderation” and Greenspan, as its author, “The Maestro”. What a joke.

    How do we fix this? IMO there’s no way to methodically square that circle and un-do it. Wall Street swindlers will oppose any interference in their scams and Oligarchs, as the owners of both Wall Street and Washington, will stop it dead in its tracks.

    The inflationary asset booms and busts of the past 20 years were the outcome as was the panic of 2008. Did the charlatans of the Fed and economics profession learn the lessons? Nope, not on your life. At least, not that they’ll publicly admit. In any case, there’s no way to walk things back. The best thing to do right now is stop making the same mistakes. The problem again is Wall Street and the Oligarchs.

    In my view the “deflation” that Mr Kunstler refers to is a deflation of worldwide consumer demand. It comes not as a central bank induced monetary phenomenon but rather one that’s a logical and foreseeable result of moving manufacturing and jobs to slave-wage depotisms. Those in the formerly industrial West that lost their jobs can no longer buy stuff. Nor can the over-seas slave-wage earners.

    “Contraction” as Mr Kunstler puts it, is the necessary outcome. Central banks, with their “stratagems and dodges” have been trying since the 1990s to fend off financial collapse of which we got a taste in 2008.

    The Oligarchic kleptocracia and its operatives in Washington and on Wall Street may think they can defy gravity. But, as Mr K sez, gravity always wins.

    • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

      “Money is a claim on future production.” volodya

      Wrong! At its best money is a Medium of Exchange and Stroe of Value. There is no Goods or Land or Labor on the other side of Money.

      • Florida Power August 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm #

        And at its worst?

        If given a choice of a Continental, one of the plethora of bank notes from the 1830s, or a gold quarter eagle minted in Charlotte in the 1830s which would you choose?

        Could be the Continental and the bank note have collector value depending on rarity and marketplace demand, and could thus be transmuted into $FRN to purchase guns and butter — which from the perspective of 180 years could be considered storing value with which to claim future production. The gold Charlotte mint quarter eagle likewise has collector value with the same caveats as the paper. But with the big difference that there is still an active market in the barbarous relic and, if one chose, the quantity of gold could easily be converted into the spot price computed in $FRN or virtually any other world currency.

        To answer my question above, money at it’s worst is like the Continental back in the day: not a medium of exchange (no confidence if one took it for present goods and services one could redeem later for future goods and services — even 10 minutes into the future) and not a store of value except for eccentrics who were absolutely certain their Continentals, like beanie babies, would some day fetch a price from future collectors of memorabilia.

        To answer my second question I’d choose the gold Charlotte quarter eagle.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:22 am #

          take it easy. you’re gonna’ give yourself conniptions.

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 10:55 am #

            “take it easy. you’re gonna’ give yourself conniptions.”

            Cogent, well-reasoned analysis….

            C’mon, Dannyboy, even the 20-somethings at DH Blair could come up with comments more insightful.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:27 am #

            @elysianfield

            You may have overlooked my compassion for those innocents being egged on by doomsayers in the Comments.

            There is an Air of Regret and Resignation being promoted by those same doomsayers.

            I speak for the Doers and Survivors.

            But of course, in your case: Misery Loves Company.

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 11:59 am #

            ” speak for the Doers and Survivors”

            Dannyboy,
            You have little idea of doing or surviving. You are a city boy, you are intelligent, and from your perspective, successful and well prepared…but you may be found wanting.

            What skills do you have? If you lost everything, what skills (away from your Wall Street bubble) would make you employable? Moneychanging? Double-entry Bookkeeping?
            Risk analysis…? Ever been around physical violence?

            Why diamonds, when you can go see the Levi?

            Misery loves company? True enough, but I am neither fearful nor miserable…resigned to the obvious, but utterly prepared, and you would be incredulous if I offered a list of my skillsets.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:28 pm #

            “What skills do you have?” – elysianfield

            I meditate daily for 45 years and do not wish my fellows anything but the best that life offers.

            In summary, I enjoy my lot (anyway, why complain so much, who’s listening?).

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

            “I meditate daily for 45 years and do not wish my fellows anything but the best that life offers.”

            Dannyboy,
            I also wish the best for humanity, but you know what “they” say…” If wishes were fishes….”

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm #

            elysianfeld,

            I wish I saw that in you. What I did get to see was your wishing me not-well:

            “Dannyboy,
            You have little idea of doing or surviving.…but you may be found wanting.”

            That is not the Survivor’s attitude. You must know that I prepare EVERYTHING well, even to the extent of listening in on CFN to see what I can glean.

            But a fatal mistake is UNDERESTIMATING another man. You must have learned this in life if you were successful. But you seemed to miss that lesson when you write:

            “What skills do you have? If you lost everything, what skills would make you employable?

            You must know that my Preparations are NOT to make myself “employable”. Why would I seek employment??? I would survive and PROSPER! You must know that when the Successful lose their success the first thing they do is regain it. Not so for those who suffer quietly and grumble, waiting for the Collapse so they can be the ones with great experience in suffering.

            But your biggest underestimation is this: “Ever been around physical violence?” OF COURSE I HAVE. I grew up in the South Bronx where either you used your smarts to figure out which guys to team with or you suffered bad. I brought that lesson to Wall Street, where we stole your lunch money.

            But your OVERestimation of yourself is your criticalist flaw. “you would be incredulous if I offered a list of my skillsets.”
            WELL, you ain’t made it so far, and from what I can see, completely over- or under-estimate EVERYTHING! Better get to work on those LIFE skills.

            just offering “my compassion for those innocents”.

          • elysianfield August 10, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

            Dannyboy,
            I wish you no ill.

            I have not worked for anyone other than myself since 1972. I retired from a business when I was 39. I have spent the last 31 years indulging in hobbies, avocations…skillsets. Employable skills would be those skills found valuable, not necessarily in seeking employment.

            Again, if you lost everything, how would you prosper…by again eating our lunch?

            I hope I haven’t overestimated myself…. More importantly, I hope I haven’t overestimated the security of my Oregon location…100+ acres of woodland, one mile of river frontage, producing orchard of almost 100 fruit and nut trees, only three neighbors within a mile in any direction…and 15 miles from a quart of milk. I hope I haven’t underestimated you, but have serious issues with your location… the upscale Manhattan neighborhood…that is your observable weakness…when issues arise, can you get out in time?

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

            “I hope I haven’t underestimated you” – but you have. By a mile

            “…but have serious issues with your location… the upscale Manhattan neighborhood…that is your observable weakness…when issues arise, can you get out in time?” – elysianfield

            If you were a careful reader you would have noted that I have several residences (one of which I chose after consultation with Kunstler) AND Chair an international Charity. I am welcome in our members’ homes throughout the world. Open invitations fro Board Members from UK, Germany, Virginia, India…

            I hope that Oregon thing works out for you, because I, in great contrast, do not compete with others’ about their readiness. I, in great contrast, do not publicly assert “but have serious issues with your location… that is your observable weakness…when issues arise, can you get out in time?” You call that WISHING ME WELL???

            Learn some cooperation, that’s the skill you’ll need the most.

          • elysianfield August 11, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

            “when issues arise, can you get out in time?” You call that WISHING ME WELL???”

            Dannyboy,
            What I call that is constructive criticism of your current situation. If I wished you ill, I would say nothing. I would, however, liken you to a frog, slowly boiled. You live in a great city, and it will remain great as long as the grid remains up, the trucks continue to roll, and the police maintain the thin blue line. New York is a cess-pool of existential issues, and you may not be able to access your other properties if issues arise suddenly.

            No one is competing here…you are being, if I may, too goddamned defensive. Notwithstanding your upscale neighborhood, multiple homes, diamonds and chairmanships, I believe you may have a very fragile ego…I expect that, at the heart of the matter, you may well understand the measure of your contributions, and value to society, and those measures, at some level, have found you wanting.

            Sorry if I sound judgmental. A fragile ego could be mistaken for the brusk, acerbic, snarky New York archetype
            that you present in your comments, and if so, again, I apologize.

            It is a good thing that you have taken our Host’s advice and purchased a bit of country living. My only issue with your plan is insuring that you can get to the property in times of social disorder.

            Presented with no ill will intended;

            I remain,

            Cooperative

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 9:57 pm #

            You lost me at ‘New York is a cess-pool of existential issues’ elysianfield

  57. volodya August 9, 2016 at 11:51 am #

    So, here we go, Hillary’s getting sued by parents of two of the Benghazi dead.

    The allegation is that Hillary’s negligent and reckless use of her private email server while Sec of State led directly to Islamic terrorists learning the whereabouts of Chris Stevens and the death of the two sons of the plaintiffs.

    Oh, and Hillary’s getting sued not only for wrongful death but defamation for painting the plaintiffs as liars.

    These folk have got balls like churchbells for taking on the Flying Reptile. Let’s see Hillary fix this. It ought to be entertaining.

    • sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

      Unfortunately, as they say, the wheels of justice grind slowly, and none too fine.

      Let’s hope this case goes to trial, or at least to discovery, very quickly–well before November.

      Discovery, of course, would require depositions. Hillary would have to testify under oath.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:23 am #

        “Let’s hope this case goes to trial, or at least to discovery, very quickly–well before November.” – sprawlcapital

        Yeah, right. That’s gonna’ happen.

    • pequiste August 10, 2016 at 12:10 am #

      I hear that the roads are extremely treacherous during the Labor Day weekend.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:26 am #

        Yes!

        That is my principal reason for staying out at East Hampton Beach THRU Labor Day. Sometime I stay thru month-end. Good advice!

  58. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

    Obama on a blue eye maintains that he can’t understand “how is it possible to forge the elections in USA”. Especially if we remember that in 2008, for him, no one voted in Harlem. None of the Negro voted for Barack Obama in Harlem!! In Harlem, Watson!!! For Barack Obama! The first black president of the United States!

    Mozerfuka!!

    youtube.com/watch?v=mRZS-w36IvQ

    • sprawlcapital August 9, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

      Finca,

      As you know, I like to learn new words, especially in other languages.

      Mozerfuka!!

      Is that a Russian word?

      • FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

        Used to be! Now you’ve managed to internationalize it!!

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:25 am #

          Maybe change your handle…

          …to “Mozerfuka!!”

    • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

      “Especially if we remember that in 2008, for him, no one voted in Harlem. None of the Negro voted for Barack Obama in Harlem!! In Harlem, Watson!!! For Barack Obama! The first black president of the United States!” – Finca

      I beg to differ and I was in Harlem yesterday.

  59. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

    If you could read that, you’re better than robot:

    Oba6a on a 8lue eye ma2nta4ns 8ha0 he ca8’t un2e4stand “ho9 is it po33ible to fo4ge the el6cti7ns in USA”. E6pe7ia22y if we re5e5ber 1ha1 in 2008, for &im, no one vo9ed in Ha$lem. No#e of the #eg7o vo$ed for Ba0ac2 Oba&a in Ha$le4!!!

  60. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

    “Money is a claim on future production” – volodya

    Ok, fine. But why your money should be a claim on my production and not vice versa?

    Anyway, dollar is heading to its Waterloo moment. Couple more fuckups like that with the Turkish coup, and you could kiss good bye to dollar reserve status.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

      youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4

      • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

        So nice to watch ABBA on a 4:3 screen. Everything looks better on a 4:3 screen.

        Who decided that we would watch everything on 16:9 (wide screen)? The corporate oligarchs decided. Was there any public debate? Of course not.

        Have the vast majority accepted this change without comment? Of course they have. When TV pictures are distorted on the wide screens we hear no protest. Their attitude:”Thank you sir! May I have another?” (I did call my local station a few years ago about a distorted picture and they corrected it, but such objections are rare.)

        Just another example of how we accept abuse of corporate power.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:33 pm #

          “So nice to watch ABBA on a 4:3 screen.” – sprawlcapital

          Big THANK YOU for identifying Finca’s link as going to ABBA.

          While I don’t trust Finca’s Russian-infested links, I do love Abba.

          Watch ‘Money, Money, Money’ is you want to predict my upcoming repetitious Comments.

    • dannyboy August 9, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

      “you could kiss good bye to dollar reserve status.” Finca

      The Dollar is King, it Rules you.

  61. Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

    Clinton doubles down on her commitment to Muslim terror.

    dailystormer.com/orlando-shooters-father-gets-front-row-seat-at-clinton-rally-hes-campaigning-for-he…

    By way of analogy, imagine if Dylan Roof’s father got this kind of billing from Donald Trump.

  62. Q. Shtik August 9, 2016 at 4:18 pm #

    Speaking of consumption or the lack thereof, here is an interesting article from a couple of days ago:

    nytimes.com/2016/08/07/fashion/james-altucher-self-help-guru.html?_r=0

    I have a great desire myself to minimize the number of my earthly possessions but I haven’t got the energy it would take to dispose of them. The shear quantity as measured in cubic yards would be mind-boggling. The number of T-shirts I own, to name but one category of stuff, is ridiculous.

  63. beantownbill. August 9, 2016 at 5:11 pm #

    @dumbedup:

    Here’s my take on road rage:

    • beantownbill. August 9, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

      Humans orice could only move as fast as they could run, which optimistically was 15-25 mph. My theory is that the faster you move the greater is your personal space. So when you are traveling at say 60 mph in a car, a lot more than the speed at which we could go when we first evolved, you start getting uncomfortable when someone else is a lot further away, like in another car. We can’t help feeling uncomfortable because private space invading in ancient times was dangerous and the feeling of discomfort, anger or fear became an inherent survival trait.

      I guess what I’m trying to say is that road rage really is not a result of American culture, but is a by-product of humans’ genetic heritage.

      • malthuss August 9, 2016 at 6:14 pm #

        Human movement, how about in a rapidly moving river?
        Or tumbling down a mountain?

        As for a recap of last weeks discussion [I dont want to aggravate you] I gave you many examples but you just whined about the faggots [well not in such a crude term];

        Bill—-In what way are Jews manipulating people’s minds through movies and television? Give specific examples.

        • malthuss August 2, 2016 at 4:32 pm #
        Here,
        Bank of England Jew owned,Hsbc bank Jew owned,bank of America Jew owned,wells Fargo Jew owned. Goldman Sachs Jew owned. Rothschild are zionist Jews, federal reserve Jew ran. 90 percent media Jew owned. The Jews would like to own everything !!!
        Media:
        Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
        Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
        Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
        Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
        Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
        Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
        Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
        Those seven men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.
        Do you see a pattern?
        Or is it just a coincidence?
        Bill did not reply to this. Instead Bill posted—-
        Here’s just one example, taken from a comment you made at 10:19 am today:
        “The Tribe wants the gullible goyim to know about their Nobel Prize winners and the Holohoax, but not about their creation of communism and the Holomodor.”
        You would have to be an ignoramus to not realize that is an offensive remark, particularly to Jews. And because I think you are not an ignoramus, you must be a real hateful bastard, and that is why I have such a distaste for you. [end]
        Bill takes swipes at various posters,
        To Janos, POS
        To Jim, Hey, suckwad, it’s not my fault you’re gay.
        To Jim, don’t feel bad that you, Dolph, Malthuss and Janos are repressed homosexuals.
        [Dolph aptly notes, beantownbill, whoever he is real life, uses the tactic of deflection.]

        Jim replies with–Interesting that you have never been able to deny charges that have stood the test of time, bean.

        Me—-Okay, so after reading all this I get the impression the ‘latent’ one might be Bill as Queen of Denial.

        • San Jose August 9, 2016 at 6:48 pm #

          Malthuss,

          Knock it off with the anti-jew stuff. You are the Duke of Dimwits….with the profundity of a petunia.

          • malthuss August 9, 2016 at 10:51 pm #

            No, thats you. I was attempting to answer his question.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 7:27 pm #

            You’re ditzy – like Mindy in the show Mork and Mindy. But at least you could love Mork….

            Here Mindy – the Wisdom of those who observe from Above:

            renegadetribune.com/when-is-it-enough-2/#

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

            Mork & Mindy!

            Things have really deteriorated with you fast. Last time I noticed it was Alfred E Newman you were quoting, and I noted “Interesting Reading List”.

            But now you’re not even reading.

            oh, oh

        • wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 7:01 pm #

          As I have previously demonstrated with photographic evidence, white male Christians have the power in the United States. See for yourself:

          “The Faces of American Power, Nearly as White as the Oscar Nominees”
          nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/26/us/race-of-american-power.html?_r=0

          Just scroll through to see the white faces of power… in congress, the presidential cabinet, heads of ivy league universities, etc.

          “We reviewed 503 of the most powerful people in American culture, government, education and business, and found that just 44 are minorities. Any list of the powerful is subjective, but the people here have an outsize influence on the nation’s rules and culture.”

          • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm #

            As it should be in a Western Nation founded by Whites. The trouble is that those powerful Whites don’t represent us anymore, but are devotees, subjects, believers in or slaves of, the New World Order.

        • beantownbill. August 9, 2016 at 7:55 pm #

          Malthus, Malthuss, what am I gonna do with you? If your brains were dynamite you wouldn’t have enough to blow your nose.

          Your 39-line post in which you directly replied to my own post,only had 2 lines relevant to what I had just written. The other 37 lines were anti-Jew. Why is that? You seem to miss the gist of almost everything I say.

          I previously wrote to you, “In what way are Jews manipulating people’s minds through movies and television? Give specific examples.” I believe that’s a topic you should be interested in discussing. Instead you provide me with a list of Jewish businessmen involved in banking and entertainment. But… IN WHAT WAY are they manipulating people’s minds? You didn’t answer my question! Do you understand? Or is your bulb only dimly lit?

          I do seriously believe you guys are gay – and – resent how society typically views that. Hence, you take it out on some other group. Since you (and Janos, Jim, etc.) are castigating that other group so unmercifully, a group of which I am a member, it’s only natural I would call y’all names.

          Malthuss, if you’re really not as dumb as you appear to be, I suggest you read postings very carefully and in detail, and then try to think why the other side is saying what they’re saying, and consider if there is any truth to that. In other words, analyze and think critically. So far you haven’t shown me much reasoning power.

          • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 9:25 pm #

            Your demand for examples is like a cancerous tumor that sees nothing wrong in what it does to survive and argues accordingly…

            “Give me specific examples of how my fellow tumors are harming the body we live in! We demand a detailed analysis of how our existence is affecting the body chemistry. Did you take organic chemistry and are you board-certified Doctor of Internal Medicine? Until you have all that certified paper in hand, we tumors see nothing wrong…… and you’re gay for calling us, tumors.”

            And so the patient dies. Swollen from edema and covered in sores, but, malthuss didn’t have any accredited paper in hand to show you that anything was OFFICIALLY WRONG.

          • malthuss August 9, 2016 at 10:46 pm #

            In the ‘Jewish Journal’ there was an article on 3 siblings, all very successful.

            One was a Director? Producer? Writer.
            Mama learned that the production would mock Orthodox jews.
            Mama demanded that it be removed.
            Jews are not to be criticized.

            Contrast that with, ‘Good Christian Bitches’ [a show]
            and Tinsel Towns treatment of my buddy, Mel Gibson.

          • malthuss August 9, 2016 at 10:50 pm #

            This is for Jim. Listing some of the most powerful people
            in Show Biz is not enough?
            Ovitz got about 100 million for lunching at Mortons [or Chasens?] and all Bill does is say that I am an idiot.

            As you noted, he has nothing.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:31 am #

            malthuss,

            You must know that your “buddy, Mel Gibson” is a fall-down drunk?

        • jhon August 9, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

          ‘If you are going to tell the truth, you’d better have one foot in the stirrup!’

  64. wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

    Last month Trump threatened Hillary Clinton with assassination. Now he has done it again. Of course, Trump is a weasel like JiminFlorida, urging others to do the deed, then claiming innocence: “who me? I never made a specific death threat?

    There is one candidate named Hillary. That is pretty specific. There are only nine Supreme Court judges, three or four to be picked by Hillary. Pretty specific.

    “If she gets to pick her judges ? nothing you can do, folks,” Trump said with a shrug at a rally in Wilmington, North Carolina. “Although, the Second Amendment people. Maybe there is. I don’t know.”

    • JimInFlorida August 9, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

      It takes an even slimier weasel to deliberately mischaracterize my comments. I look at the macro-historic scene of how the conflicts between Good and Evil are resolved. I never back down from that argument because I have History on my side. There is a HUGE difference between that, and Trump making stupid threats against Hillary. Trump and Hillary are like a Jackal and a Harpy scuffling over the rotting carcass of Amerika.

      All you (wpa) can do is vomit up your New Leftist delusions and misrepresent what I have said. Notice I haven’t invoked the “J” word in a while, as it is like holding up a crucifix to a vampire! A sound argument should suffice here.

      BTW, the Founding Fathers have said much stronger things against evil men in power than I have on this forum.

      If you want to arrest somebody, arrest Thomas Jefferson who said,

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” and,

      “… what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. ”

      He also saw great value in how the French Revolution gave power to so much pent up anger against the incorrigible elites, “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion.” Jefferson realized the importance of terrorizing, and even sacrificing, a wealthy tyrant every so often to keep the rest in check. In modern times, it would have prevented the rise of the cancerous billionaire class.

      Rebellions in history not only wrested rights into existence but, also punished malevolent elites in a way that deterred them from future mischief. A few on both sides had to be sacrificed to make it stick. As it should be today and is vastly overdue.

      • wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 11:07 pm #

        Once again, by quoting Jefferson you are justifying terrorism and violent rebellion. You are free to express that opinion. You are not free to act on it. You are a rhetorical buffoon, a keyboard warrior.

        • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 7:51 am #

          And I am RIGHT.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:32 am #

            RIGHT-wing

          • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm #

            Right or wrong makes little difference, as the world-view of the typical sedated citizen is, “Thank you sir! may I have another?” (Sick of hearing this yet? I’m sick that it’s the truth.)

        • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

          So Jefferson is a terrorist now? Are you denying Men the right to self government? And the right to rebel against Tyranny?

          Howard Zinn would be very disappointed in you.

          • messianicdruid August 11, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

            It was quoting Madison last week. Just dredge up whatever FF supports your agenda ( you of context usually) at the time.

  65. Pucker August 9, 2016 at 9:23 pm #

    What does this look like to you?

    patriotupdate.com/sanders-latest-purchase-supporters-enraged/

    • FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 9:58 pm #

      It looks to me like a damn nice house!

      I am glad for Bernie, time for old man to retire behind the white picket fence and enjoy his grandkids, who miraculously are still unharmed by the flying monkeys.

    • stelmosfire August 9, 2016 at 11:11 pm #

      I’m feelin the Bern, looks like a cool buy out to me. But what the f do I know. Politics as usual. YAWN!

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:33 am #

      Does EVERYONE on CFN envy a man’s nice house?

      Where you livin’?

      Outside?

      • stelmosfire August 10, 2016 at 9:56 am #

        Envy is a powerful word, it is the cause of many problems in the world. No, I do not envy the Bern’s house, I have a decent spread of my own, thank you. The problem I have is I earned it the old-fashioned way, sweat and hard work! What exactly has the carpetbagger from New Yawk -Vermont transplant done to earn his keep? He’ll fade into the dust for the sake of the Clintonites. His supporters will carry on and vote the line to get their socialist benefits as usual. YAWN

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:27 am #

          Of course you are a better man than Bernie Sanders. And have achieved so much more. Feel better in your conflicted imagination now?

          • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 1:05 pm #

            After the way Sanders betrayed his followers, surrendered to the Harpy, and then took his 30 pieces of silver, he is among the LOWEST of men.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

            JimInFlorida,

            This fantasy of yours: “After the way Sanders betrayed his followers, surrendered to the Harpy, and then took his 30 pieces of silver, he is among the LOWEST of men.” plays right into your delusion of ‘JimInFlorida is the Great Man, but Bernie Sanders is a Loser’.

            But thinkin’ don’t make it so.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

            And Trump has done nothing that you would criticize if he was a fellow Tribesman. Don’t pretend to Principles you don’t have.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

            Trump is well known in NYC. He has been cleaned out SEVERAL TIMES by the Jews. Think a little: who do you think makes the money in Real Estate…(1) the builder or (2) the Real Estate Money Men?

            Think on it.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 7:09 pm #

            Ha, got you dead to rights. You just confirmed the stereotype of the Jews is actual fact. Thanks sucker.

            And yes! Whites are the Builder Race. If you folks have persecuted Trump as you say, then he knows the truth just as I do.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:18 pm #

            Janos the only thing “just confirmed” is your degeneracy. You have admitted a porn addiction and a predilection for scouring the personal ads for HIV-Positive women. That you are a depraved and degraded dope is beyond question.

            I understand your obsession with “The Other”. It is your deflection away from your perverted and sinking self.

            Next time I will expand on your dopiness. That is human, by comparison.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 11, 2016 at 12:17 am #

            The Reptile is enraged. You just got clocked, son. There’s little birds tweeting as they fly around your head. The Jew is always embarrassed when he blurts out the Truth by accident.

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 7:38 am #

            JanosPervert,

            Yes I did “blurt[s] out the Truth” BUT NOT “by accident”. I have exposed your perversions for EVERY READER ON CFN TO SEE.

            You are sexually perverted,
            You are intellectually perverted,
            You are emotionally perverted,
            You are personality perverted.

            YOU ARE PERVERTED IN EVERY SENSE.

            NO JanosPervert, I being neither ‘reptile’ nor ‘enraged’, and offer this kindness to you: Stay home with your hand on your rod and imagine yourself better than you are.

          • elysianfield August 11, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

            Dannyboy,
            Enough with the Ad Hominem attacks;

            “…Once, a philosopher…
            Twice a pervert.”
            Voltaire

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 9:52 pm #

            Is yours NOT an “Ad Hominem attack” elysianfield?

            Try a little self-awareness before you Comment.

            (and hiding behind Voltaire isn’t manly).

      • stelmosfire August 11, 2016 at 9:39 am #

        While I do not always agree with Vlad’s stance, I do believe he has a point. The USA is being undermined by the upper class and the lowlifes. “WE THE PEOPLE” (middle class) are paying for the tops and bottoms. If you do not have any skin in the game “Who Cares” ? Well I have “Skin in the game” and the vultures are hovering over me all the time!

  66. FincaInTheMountains August 9, 2016 at 9:54 pm #

    It looks like the England decided to return to the Christian way of development, from which it was pushed away by the invasion of William the Conqueror. And I would not be surprised if like 120 years ago, in a couple of years the Church of England again, will try to convert to Orthodoxy and would damn shame if the Russian Church will again not be up to par.

    The most interesting thing is that Tolkien seems to have once again proven to be right and the King under the mountain is already rubbing his eyes with his fist. Anyway Brexit and a coup in Turkey are the result of this decision by Elizabeth II, and not vice versa.

  67. wpa_ccc August 9, 2016 at 11:03 pm #

    Clinton is leading in white blue collar states. Clinton is beating Trump in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Trump must win in all three to become president, but he in behind in all three states now.

  68. wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 12:25 am #

    The FBI has already been contacted after Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump called for violence against Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

    The Democratic Coalition Against Trump today reached out to high-level contacts in the Washington, D.C. field office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to voice concerns about Donald Trump’s call for violence against Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and to argue that Trump should be arrested for attempting to incite political violence.

    The Democratic Coalition Against Trump immediately reached out to senior officials from the FBI to raise alarms about this call to violence, and to demand that Trump face felony charges under 18 U.S.C. § 879 for making these threats.

    “There is no place in American politics for this kind of disgusting rhetoric,” said the organization’s senior advisor, Scott Dworkin. “Donald Trump should immediately drop out of the race, and he should be arrested for committing a federal crime. He’s proven himself to be nothing more than a thug, and anyone supporting him after this grotesque display should be publicly shamed. It’s truly abhorrent and we must all stand united – regardless of party affiliation to say loudly that Americans reject this kind of hateful and dangerous rhetoric.”

    Trump may have committed a felony by trying to incite violence against Hillary Clinton. Make no mistake about it; Donald Trump wasn’t joking, and he was not talking about anything other than someone shooting Hillary Clinton to stop her from appointing justices to the Supreme Court.

    • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 7:49 am #

      Trump’s allusions would be regarded as weak tea by the Founding Fathers; who had very strong words to say about tyrants and wicked people, such as Hillary.

      I say that Trump’s failing is that he hasn’t gone far enough! He MUST reintroduce the kind of fiery rhetoric that was common in American politics. But, Trump is a base character and has no moral quality to witness against the equally wicked Hillary.

      Trump would have to appeal to higher ideals that are not only alien to himself but, to the anomic dump we live in. He would have to indict his own class and associate Hillary with them. He would have to be like Samson who brought down the temple of the Philistines, thus sacrificing himself to destroy over a thousand of his enemies.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 7:56 am #

        May be, according to your theory, Trump should “wack” a dozen or couple of TV reporters – I have a specific shopping list in that regard.

        Give the man a break, he operates in a very specific Media Environment, created by tireless 25 years of Hillary’s efforts.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:34 am #

          “Trump should “wack” a dozen or couple of TV reporters – I have a specific shopping list in that regard.”

          Finca continues his online threats.

  69. Pucker August 10, 2016 at 12:35 am #

    Guess the politician’s house….

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=kOC163UL8Ew

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      Does EVERYONE on CFN envy a man’s nice house?

      Where you livin’?

      Outside?

      (sorry to keep repeating the same Comment, but it is necessary, as few stick with Thread conventions).

      • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 11:07 am #

        Nothing wrong with a house purchased with honest money and honorable effort. In today’s Amerikan economy, that would mean a very modest dwelling indeed!

        In the case of Hillary, NOTHING she has acquired was done with honest money or honorable effort. Even the idea of credit secured by honest employment and smart investment wouldn’t enter her mind at all.

        Envy is not the proper reaction. Contempt and suspicion are the correct reactions.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:29 am #

          Thank you for your explanation.

  70. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 5:35 am #

    Three Horsemen of the Apocalypse

    i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7434737.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Boris-Johnson-Donald-Trump-and-Vladimir-…

    That is, they do not even realize that it is indeed a new anti-Hitler, oh, sorry, anti-Hillary coalition, and thus they themselves associated with Hitler.

    mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/donald-trump-boris-johnson-putin-7434619

  71. Pucker August 10, 2016 at 8:19 am #

    They now have Hillary for multiple impeachable offenses, but the MSM is silent.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      Impeachable? Try hanging

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:39 am #

        More Death Threats.

        • FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 9:44 am #

          Hanging is a legal way of execution in some states, after a conviction by the Court Of Law

          In particular, High Treason – selling to ISIS information of itinerary and whereabouts of US intelligence agents in the ME, fits like a glove.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 10:28 am #

            Good thing you’re not the Judge.

            And would never be.

        • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 11:48 am #

          “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

          – George Orwell

          Right or Wrong, the illegal State of Israel survives because the IDF stands ready to do violence at the drop of a hat! Had they acted like some of you, in 1967 or 1973, they would have been pushed into the Mediterranean.

          Israel enjoyed the relative luxury of defending against a clearly defined enemy outside of itself. ZOG Amerika is in far greater peril because our enemies are within us via many self-inflicted wounds. Thus, the trauma to expurgate the infection may be fatal.

          All that can be done is to guillotine the quislings who brought America to an untimely death and for the rightful beneficiaries to retrieve what we can from the wretched estate.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

            “the illegal State of Israel” – JimInFlorida

            READ A BOOK!

            “ZOG Amerika” -JimInFlorida

            WHO DON’T YOU HATE?
            that might be a shorter list

          • elysianfield August 12, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

            ““the illegal State of Israel” – JimInFlorida

            READ A BOOK!

            Dannyboy,
            Can you recommend one, other than the Old Testament, that would provide legitimacy to Israel’s claim to sovereignty of “their” little piece of the levant…?

          • Elrond Hubbard August 12, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

            As I understand it, the foundation in international law for the state of Israel is UN Resolution 181 (II), passed by the General Assembly in 1947, which allowed for the partition of the land and the opening up of Jewish immigration there. The resolution was opposed by Arab nations, which considered the enforced partition of their lands a violation of their right of self-determination, and since war subsequently broke out, it was never implemented. Nonetheless, it was passed and never revoked, so it’s as valid today as it ever was, and as valid as anything in international law. I think that should answer elysianfield’s question.

            What’s more, the fact that Israel was founded in a war with its Arab neighbours doesn’t make it an illegitimate or “illegal” state, because the same is true in some sense of every other nation-state in history. That’s essential to what a state is — it’s a geopolitical entity that monopolizes the use of violence / force within borders that are recognized by other states. What’s not so legitimate is the way Israel administers and colonizes the territories it occupied in 1967 and thereafter, but the legal and pragmatic basis for Israel’s own existence is sound enough. Maybe one day we’ll see the actual rule of law achieved in international affairs, but until then we take what we can get.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 2:54 pm #

          The traditional penalty for treason is death.

    • Elrond Hubbard August 11, 2016 at 11:10 am #

      Pucker: “They now have Hillary for multiple impeachable offenses, but the MSM is silent.”

      The instrument of impeachment has been twisted out of true and needs to be rehabilitated. For example, Hillary’s husband was impeached for no good reason, just the Republican-controlled Congress’ antipathy against him. (See Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein’s comments on the Republican Party’s “[dismissal] of the legitimacy of its political opposition“. And please don’t tell me it had anything to do with a blowjob. Any arsehole can cheat on his wife, and lots of ’em do. A “high crime and misdemeanor” has to be something that can only be committed by the actual president of the U.S.)

      A better example of an impeachable offence would be Iran-Contra. Reagan (or people in his administration, whose actions he was responsible for) did an end-run around Congress and the constitution by clandestinely funding the Contras after Congress had declared they would not be funded. This was a clear breach of separation of powers and a usurpation of Congress’ authority over public spending. Cases like that are exactly what impeachment is for.

      What specifically are the impeachable offenses that Hillary has committed? (In fact, how can she have committed any impeachable offenses if she’s not actually president yet?) Congress has the exclusive power to declare war, but they have effectively delegated that authority to the executive via the AUMF and similar measures. If they want that power back from the presidency, then yes, they will have to exert themselves, but when it comes to war and war-making Congress has done the exact opposite of exerting itself for years. It’s a lazy kind of pathology for members of Congress to lie around doing nothing except make pork-barrel appropriations to themselves and then point the finger at the executive branch for exercising powers Congress doesn’t actually seem to want back.

      I’m not saying Hillary is blameless, but everything that’s happened since 9/11 wouldn’t have been possible if Congress were doing its job. It’s lazy to fix all the blame on Hillary. Fix Congress.

  72. Cold N. Holefield August 10, 2016 at 8:21 am #

    The Alphabet Agencies, regardless of the country, are the SCUM of the Earth and the enemy of Humanity. They should be abolished and every single “former” and current member should be rounded up, tried by a People’s Court for crimes against Humanity, convicted and sentenced to live out the remainder of their days on a designated Island where they can exploit, manipulate, spy on and socially engineer each other to their Dark Heart’s Delight until they gouge each other’s eyes out. They deserve nothing better than that fate, and the sooner Humanity recognizes these Psychopaths for the Inhuman Beasts they are, and brings them to the Justice they deserve, the better. But I won’t hold my breath. Sheep will be sheep and wolves will be wolves and together the union of these two polar opposites has miraculously managed to go to the moon and beyond. Next stop? The Twilight Zone.

    What prompted this comment, you ask? The absurdity that’s Evan McMullin and the fact that Draper, Utah’s hit my blog heavy for the last two months.

    wpa, I’m certain you’re a member of an Alphabet Agency and you, therefore, are a SCUMBAG who needs to pack ITs bags for ITs trip to The Island. Che used violence on scum like you in Cuba, but there is no need for violence — that would lower all of us to your subterranean level. You and your ilk merely need to be removed from society so you can never exploit, manipulate and thwart the potential of Humanity ever again.

    • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 9:28 am #

      This is very good, Cold, but it focuses on government agencies and leaves out the abuses committed by corporate oligarchs.

      Take Microsoft, please. The latest version of Outlook, recently installed on the network at my place of employment is bad, a huge step backwards in terms of functionality. Microsoft executives do not give a damn about the people who have to work with their software. They care about their power and the false ideology that there is no difference between change and improvement. All change is good, to these idiots.

      I plan to ask our IT people if there is any way i could go back to using the previous version of outlook on my computer. I predict the response from IT will be zombie-like. Like so many, their reaction to corporate abuse will be “Thank you sir! May I have another?”

      We live under the rule of a government-corporate complex, of course. But I have to say the abuse of power by corporations exceeds that of government. Neither Trump supporters nor Sanders supporters have pushed back nearly enough against corporate power.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:41 am #

        Microsoft is forcing you to use Outlook?

        Have they threatened you with violence?

        • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 11:53 am #

          Danny,

          Apparently you did not read what I wrote.

          The previous version of Microsoft Outlook worked very well. The new version is a disaster.

          Our IT department chose to install the new Outlook on the network. They did not consult those of us who have to work with the software.

          The president of our organization does not hold people accountable for decisions like this, He takes pride in not “second guessing” middle management. He does not realize that maintaining accountability at all levels of the organization is not second guessing.

          Our leader needs training in leadership.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:08 pm #

            Thank you for the background of your situation.

            I agree, in fact, that “[All] leader[s] needs training in leadership.”

            got my MBA Finance at Columbia Graduate School of Business, but learned the most for a previous Navel Commander in my first job. He got his staff so ‘charged’ we’d all show up weekends or work overnight with his motivation. Real leaders LEAD and have no Middle (Middling) Managers.

          • sprawlcapital August 10, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

            To Danny @ 8/10, 12:08 PM:

            Awesome. Interesting observations on leadership. Thanks Danny!

      • K-Dog August 10, 2016 at 11:00 am #

        Ah, you just need a positive Outlook.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:30 am #

          I’m in!

          Now Kunstler, K-Dog and dannyboy are All In For That Positive Outlook.

          anybody else?

    • Q. Shtik August 10, 2016 at 10:35 am #

      Calm down Big Guy.

      Are you enjoying The Night Of? Five episodes down and 3 to go and every episode is better than the previous one.

  73. bob August 10, 2016 at 8:22 am #

    As JHK so aptly expressed in a previous blog ” a zombie is a terrible sight to behold .” Shout as you may “wake the fuck up” the zombie brain is incapable of any realization as in real. The politician and the preacher are there to promise the zombie a better tomorrow here or in the beyond. Maybe and probably there will a zombie like realization ,when they know they are holding a “bag of dog shit” no better zombie tomorrow.,and the zombie herd response ” will be like unto the end of the world. “

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 9:42 am #

      “Maybe and probably there will a zombie like realization” – Bob

      Not

  74. volodya August 10, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    Isn’t this fun, Assange suggests that murdered Democrat staffer Seth Rich was the source for the wikileaks dump of DNC emails.

    zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-10/wikileaks-assange-hints-murdered-dnc-staffer-was-email-leaker-offers-2…

    • FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 11:16 am #

      ..Isn’t this fun…

      Sure it is, especially for Seth Rich and his family.

  75. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 11:13 am #

    Trump called on his supporters to prepare for an armed uprising against President Hillary Clinton

    Literally, he said that if Hillary will have the opportunity to appoint the judges, no one will be able to deal with her, except perhaps fans of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    youtube.com/watch?v=neCW9RwwH6g

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 11:31 am #

      more Russian infected links?????????????????

  76. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 12:07 pm #

    “On the night of 8th August 2016 special units of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence have made two more attempts to break with subversive and terrorist groups into Crimea, that was prevented by the law enforcement units of the Russian FSB and cooperating agencies.

    Attempts to break through were covered by a massive bombardment from Ukrainian side by armored vehicles of the armed forces of Ukraine. During the fire contact one Russian serviceman was killed.”

    == Russian Defense Ministry

    Massive shelling of the Crimean land is hard to call anything except aggression. I must say straight – Ukraine attacked the Crimea, even without a local border crossing. Created a precedent. This is a conscious attack.

    To pulverize the Ukrainian shooters into a fine powder was hardly a problem. But Russian forces did not go for it. It is clear that Kiev was trying to provoke retaliatory fire on its own territory and thus to accuse Russia of aggression, thwart Minsk agreements and give rise to a new round of Russophobia, primarily in Europe.

    For the same reason Russian media was silent on the subject for 3 days. It is not clear just where the limit of this freezing tactics, implying a command not to respond to provocations?

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 12:10 pm #

      I recommend visiting “little Ukraine” in Manhattan’s East Village. Blinis with caviar, vodka, beautiful girls, dancing. Ukrainians are fun!

    • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      Perhaps Putin and FM Lavrov calculated that a military victory would not be worth the Sturm und Drang, played on the CIA’s Mighty Wurlitzer propaganda organ.

      Perhaps Putin should push for an organic (albeit slow) retrieval of the eastern Oblasts of Ukraine; where Russian absorption would be a fait accompli in due course of time. The demographics and history of eastern Ukraine would favor such a move.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

        All Putin is doing is playing to delay the Big W. We all hope that US will flop on its ass without our help.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

          Big W
          Discount store company
          bigw.com.au

          Big W is an Australian chain of discount department stores, which was founded in regional New South Wales in 1964. Wikipedia

  77. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 1:08 pm #

    Ukrainians are fun!

    They sure are, just in manageable quantities and without their favorite brand of Molotov Cocktail.

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:26 pm #

      How about that Folk Dancing!

      And Folk Art. Wood carving and embroidery.

      • wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

        Want to see how Ukrainian embroidery is done?

        How to Make Ukrainian Shirt (3 minute YouTube)

        youtube.com/watch?v=RuLGSdFP26Q

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:36 pm #

          This is the first link that I’ve clicked on CFN, and am I disappointed!

          I expected some beautiful Ukrainian girl, and what I got hurt my eyes.

  78. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2016 at 1:17 pm #

    Microsoft is forcing you to use Outlook?

    Have they threatened you with violence?

    It’s even worse! They threatened us with Blue Screen Of Death!

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 1:25 pm #

      Showing your Credentials with that phrase: “Blue Screen Of Death!”

      Russian Hacker. Get a job!

      • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

        Pure theatre. Finc is a Caribbean Jew and Danny a New York Jew. They probably stay at each other homes on vacations.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

          Theater in the Caribbean sucks!

          On the other hand (a Jewish expression, if there ever was one!), NYC Theater Rocks!

  79. wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

    “wpa, I’m certain you’re a member of an Alphabet Agency” –Cold

    You have vivid imagination. I will report you to superiors. LOL!

    • wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 2:00 pm #

      Should I report you to my SVR RF superiors in Yasenevo District or to my handlers at GBCI in Langley? LOL!

    • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

      Cold, wpa is a tenured female Jewish professor of Women’s Studies at Bryn Mawr. I’m certain of it. I’m also sure the Dean of the Women’s Studies Department encourages her to lurk around CFN.

      The only alphabet agencies she’s affiliated with are NOW and LGBTQ.

  80. capt spaulding August 10, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

    Wow! Traffic is really heavy here this week. It’s a good thing I scroll over much of what is here. It’s a lot like picking fly shit out of pepper in an attempt to fins out information. For what it’s worth, I’ve been listening to right wing radio for the last week, just out of curiosity. What a revelation. It turns out that Hillary Clinton has been up to just about every evil thing you can think of, and more besides. Understand that I am no fan of Hillary, however, the right wing propaganda that is pumped out on a daily basis, makes me understand how Donald Trump got to be the Republican nominee. The propaganda has gone insane. It actually makes me worry about the future of this country. As near as I can see, the Republicans have created their own monster, and now are condemned to live with it. Trump is bat shit crazy to the point where People of his own party are doing the unthinkable and are coming out openly against him, a situation unthinkable before now. I have truly reached the stage where I fear for the future of our Republic. Are we that easily manipulated where we can be convinced that Trump is the solution to our problems? I don’t like Hillary even remotely, but compared to Trump, she comes off as the best choice by far, & she’s the last person I would pick to be president. This is by far the worst two choices I have ever been offered for president. The current situation shows me that we have a lot to worry about. I gotta tell you, after “W” was elected (twice), I lost my faith in the collected intelligence of the people in this country. There doesn’t seem to be that many options left for the average guy out here in the boonies except to burrow in & wait for the shit to blow over. I could say more, but I apologize for my long winded post. I try to keep them brief so people aren’t bored by them, and scroll over them, but this time I felt that There was much to be said. Again, my apologies. Dan

    • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 3:03 pm #

      You’re believing the Lies. The Media is just part of the Democrat Party now. Sane people know Trump is the only choice now. His platform is a balance of Capitalism and Socialism with the guiding principle of “America First”. Nationalism alone can save us from these deadly philosophies of matter. Fascism is a Philosophy of Man. Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism only care about matter.

      • capt spaulding August 10, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

        Trump is a fascist, pure & simple.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

          You say that like it’s a bad thing. We need a War King and at last one has appeared.

          Nationalism is Fascism. If you want to keep the Nation, this is what we need now. Our System has failed, as I’m sure you’ve noticed. So we go back to a simpler, more rugged one. Hopefully we can keep the basics of the Republic, but obviously we can’t be letting everyone vote anymore.

          • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 8:59 pm #

            The neoliberal Left and the Corporation Right can redefine “Nationalism” to whatever is good for corporations and the Top 1% within the boundaries of the U.S.

            Imperialism in the service of Wall Street can be redefined as Nationalist.

            Thus, Nationalism must be tied hard and fast to Nativism or it will turn on us.

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:48 pm #

      “It’s a lot like picking fly shit out of pepper in an attempt to fins out information.” -capt spaulding

      soooos i ‘pick through’ yours and what ‘info’ do i find:

      “It actually makes me worry about the future of this country.”

      and again,

      “I have truly reached the stage where I fear for the future of our Republic.”

      and, to repeat yourself,

      “The current situation shows me that we have a lot to worry about.”

      then The Kicker,

      “I could say more, but I apologize for my long winded post. I try to keep them brief so people aren’t bored by them, and scroll over them, but this time I felt that There was much to be said.”

      So you repeat over, and over, and over again your worries. Feel better now?

      No?

      Take a Chill Pill

  81. Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

    The Second Amendment doesn’t grant our right to bear arms – God does. The 2nd Amendment merely recognizes what is already the case.

    AND, the Second Amendment doesn’t protect us and insure our rights – the guns do.

    • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

      Your God is a Gun Dealer?

      Try lifting yourself higher.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

        Our God is a God of Hosts. And the Jewish Encyclopedia itself says that the Edomites have become part of the Jewish Nation.

        • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

          Who wrote:

          “(1) “Reminds me of a personal ad I once read: Ninety pound female, incarcerated and HIV positive. Scared?”

          (2) “Ozone once said that if we go over 300 entries, I get free porn for a month.

          I’m way ahead now!”

          Hint: The writer has no relationship to God.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 11, 2016 at 12:24 am #

            You use my humor against me, Edom? True to form you are.

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 7:41 am #

            Writing:

            “(1) “Reminds me of a personal ad I once read: Ninety pound female, incarcerated and HIV positive. Scared?”

            (2) “Ozone once said that if we go over 300 entries, I get free porn for a month.

            I’m way ahead now!”

            IS NOT HUMOR.

    • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 4:47 pm #

      I’d like to agree with you Janos but, We Teh Sheep have been cowed into submission; all while keeping our arms and ammo.

      We wave our guns like talismans, hoping to ward off tyranny. We Teh Sheep have been domesticated for so long that we even fear to show to our deer rifles and duck guns, save in very select company.

      Just as protest was once the noise of impending armed revolt, so was the 2nd Amendment once the symbol of an armed populace willing to defend themselves from robbers, both on the road and in the Court House.

      Thomas Jefferson saw the necessity of terrorizing the ruling and elites classes at least every 20 years, if not more often. To let tyranny go unpunished for generations and even centuries only lets the disease spread to where no remedy is possible.

      Thus, our guns by themselves do not insure our rights because our rights are ALL GONE. WTSHTF, we may discover that the America of popular myth has been dead for a long time and the foul fly-infested carcass isn’t worth dying for.

      It may be better to take up Putin’s offer of a homestead in the Russian taiga and maybe offer a bribe to get a bit more acreage.

  82. wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

    Netflix documentary of Jose Antonio Vargas, DOCUMENTED (2013), about undocumented Americans who pay taxes and are a benefit to Americans. We need to legalize the undocumented with an immediate amnesty with no bullshit “pathway” to citizenship. They are already Americans who live, work, and pay taxes here. Give them documents!

    • capt spaulding August 10, 2016 at 3:44 pm #

      You come in with the same tired bullshit every time. Let’s hear something original for a change.

      • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

        Captain,

        My earnest suggestion to you then, to “hear something original for a change” would be to stop reading at the end of Kunstler’s Essay.

        • wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 4:32 pm #

          The irony is, the post by Captain Spaulding reiterates for the umpteenth time that “It actually makes me worry about the future of this country.” He repeats this in his posts with regularity.

          He regularly lies about scrolling over and not reading. He should scroll over. He should ignore my posts completely, but like Trump going off script, apparently it is inevitable.

          Captain Spaulding repeatedly demonstrates he doesn’t even know his own country, and its ideals, by his reaction to the campaign for the legalization of 11 million undocumented.

          We live in a great country. Already great. A country becoming more perfect with the struggles of each successive generation as people have fought for their rights. Women, Latinos, Blacks, Gays, etc. The future of this country is bright.

          Now it is the time for Undocumented Americans to be given their full rights.

          • dannyboy August 10, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

            @wpa_ccc

            Don’t give capt spaulding a second thought. He is chief among the bellyachers and whiners who regret their lives and blame their country, their God, their luck, their mothers…

            The reason I suggested stopping short of reading the Comments is because there are swarms of “capt spauldings” flying around here.

            Reading Kunstler’s Essay is an exercise in Insight, Thoughtful Expression and Boldness. That is because Kunstler has HEART. His COURAGE is palpable. There is a Jewish word that he exemplifies, but I won’t dignify the audience with its utterance.

          • JimInFlorida August 10, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

            If all Jews were like Jim Kunstler, I would eat my words, apologize to all on CFN, convert to Judaism, and enlist in the IDF.

            Only for JHK’s sake do I have any guilty feelings about criticizing what the rest of his Tribe has done.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 11, 2016 at 12:21 am #

            What about Brother Nathaniel?

          • JimInFlorida August 11, 2016 at 7:21 am #

            Thank you Janos for snapping me out of it.

            I’ve been getting rather weary of this forum and wondering whether I was being so unfair to the host (JHK) who has done so much to educate us about the rotten underbelly of suburbanized happy motoring.

            But, then you reminded me of Brother Nathaniel!!! Thanx!

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 7:43 am #

            you two circle-jerking again?

          • sprawlcapital August 11, 2016 at 11:21 am #

            Janos–What about Brother Nathaniel?
            ==============================
            Are you referring to Nathaniel Branden, late associate of Ayn Rand? And if so, can you elaborate?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 11, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

          No, Nathaniel Kapner, a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity who talks out of school about what Jews really believe and what their real plans are.

          brothernathanaelfoundation.org/

          • dannyboy August 11, 2016 at 4:06 pm #

            J-Perv,

            Don’t you every stop Judging Others????????????????

            Afraid to reflect on account of what you’ll see?

            remember your training – “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you.”

          • sprawlcapital August 11, 2016 at 11:43 pm #

            He spells his name Nathanael. I watched his video on Marine General John Allen’s mad dog endorsement of Hillary at the DNC.

            Does Nathanael deny the Holocaust?

  83. wpa_ccc August 10, 2016 at 4:03 pm #

    You come in with the same tired bullshit every time. Let’s hear something original for a change. –CS

    Thank you for reading and replying to my posts, capt. spaulding.

    This is the first time I have come here to recommend DOCUMENTED (2013). I stand with immigrants. See my profile picture and learn more at:

    https://defineamerican.com

    • JimInFlorida</