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First they came for the statues….

What do you know, long about Wednesday, August 16, 2017, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal) discovered that the United States Capitol building was infested with statues of Confederate dignitaries. Thirty years walking those marbled halls and she just noticed? Her startled announcement perked up Senator Cory Booker (D- NJ) who has been navigating those same halls only a few years. He quickly introduced a bill to blackball the offending statues. And, of course, the congressional black caucus also enjoyed a mass epiphany on the bronze and stone delegation of white devils.

I’d like to hear to hear an argument as to why the Washington Monument should remain dedicated to that vicious slave-driver and rebellious soldier, and indeed the name of the city that is the federal seat of government. Or the District of Columbia (after Columbus, who initiated the genocide of Native Americans). Or America, cribbed out of Amerigo Vespucci, the wicked Florentine cartographer who ascertained that the place called Brazil today was not the east coast of Asia but actually a New World — and so all our troubles began!

Well, there has been a lot of idle chatter the past half-century about the root causes of this-and-that, and it seems that we have located one at last. I expect that scientific studies out of our best universities will soon confirm that occult transmissions from the statue of Jefferson Davis (a double-devil named after an earlier devil) are responsible for the murder rate in Chicago.

Just as empires tend to build their most grandiose monuments prior to collapse, our tottering empire is concocting the most monumentally ludicrous delusions before it slides down the laundry chute of history. It’s as if the Marx Brothers colluded with Alfred Hitchcock to dream up a melodramatic climax to the American Century that would be the most ridiculous and embarrassing to our posterity.

In the meantime, many citizens await Monday’s spectacle of a total solar eclipse in parts of the country. They apparently don’t realize that another eclipse has been underway for months: the total eclipse of reality across the entire landscape of the USA. Now that has been an event to behold, not just some twenty-minute freak of astronomy. What’s being blacked out is the perilously fragile condition of the financial system — a great groaning Rube Goldberg contraption of accounting fraud, grift, statistical deceit, and racketeering that pretends to support the day-to-day activities of our national life.

For months, the recognition of this oncoming financial monster has been blocked by the hallucination of gremlins from the Kremlin infiltrating the recent presidential election. But just as that mirage was dissolving, along comes the treacherous invasion of the Confederate statues. It begins to look like the final piece of the puzzle in the Deep State’s quest to eject Donald Trump from the oval office. His response to the deadly statue situation (“…why not Washington and Jefferson…?”) was deemed so obtuse and unfeeling that even the rodents of his own nominal Republican Party want to jump his ship of state.

So, the set-up could not be more perfect! The country will now get down to the business of a months-long 25th Amendment circle-jerk at the very moment that the financial system flies apart. The damage from the financial clusterfuck will be much more real, and much worse, than anything that might be spun out of the anti-statue crusade hogging the headlines today. It will be interesting to see whether the old legacy media even reports on it as it happens, or whether they will cook up new and more bizarre entertainments to distract the public from what might be the ultimate swindling of a lifetime.


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  1. seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 9:19 am #

    I don’t know anybody who said after I’m gone, I hope they build a monument to me. It’s pathetic. If inspiration is the only reason for monuments, tear them down. The Washington Monument is the worse. A gigantic erection. And white to boot. Now that is really hilarious.

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 9:22 am #

      LOL! Yep, the symbology is certainly in your face, isn’t it? A big white phallus/middle finger stretched out to the universe. They need to commission some balls at its base to complete the thought.

      • K-Dog August 18, 2017 at 9:27 am #

        I prefer walk softly but carry a big stick.

        • FallenHero August 18, 2017 at 10:24 am #

          The cultural marxism is alive and well and progressing at full speed.

    • K-Dog August 18, 2017 at 9:25 am #

      The best leaders we could ever have would not want a monument. They would like to be remembered for what they accomplished and that what they accomplished was not due to shallow vanity.

      • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm #

        Building a monument is probably the best way to get a person remembered.

      • SvrzoH August 19, 2017 at 10:54 am #

        Monuments again.
        There is no, today, a single archaeologist or art historian who, upon a newly discovered bust of Roman General, better yet Emperor or 800 sf mosaic depicting gladiator’s (slave’s) combat, would go: ‘F**ck, that s**t again!
        Ruins of gladiator’s arenas, triumphant arches (triumph led to slavery to locals) are prized possessions of any Country, besides today’s Italy, that has it.
        As for the Confederate monuments issue of today I do not get it since I (and most outside world as I recall) always viewed US as a care-free Nation that would be bothered with that. Actually the Nation, in my view, was proud, in some way, of that past and not ashamed to show both sides.
        As for the hair splitting which monuments are to go and which to remain, with possible spill on Confederate grave yards, battle fields where they were the winners one can easily see no end to it.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 18, 2017 at 10:27 am #

      K-Dog– That’s a ridiculous statement. Building monuments is human nature. My blog today is not a screed against monuments per se. — JHK

      • RobRhodes August 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm #

        The bronze statues will be taken down when we need the bronze, the only controversy will be who gets the bronze. The stone ones will remain among the rubble, they don’t make good building blocks. There is something to be said for moving a lot of the bronze sooner, many of them are not that far above sea level !

        • Iananna August 18, 2017 at 2:30 pm #

          One of the, many, lessons in the Iliard – hubris, treachery, obedience, greed etc – is that, after sacking Troy, the Greeks took the Torjan armour, not to wear but to melt down.
          Bronze was far more useful than gold as it could be transformed into everything needed by the society of the day.
          With gold all one could do was buy stuff that someone else had made.
          Almost a metaphor for tomorrow. No?

          • Iananna August 18, 2017 at 2:31 pm #

            ..err, as well as “the TROJAN armour”

      • badberries August 18, 2017 at 1:02 pm #

        In my hometown of Helena Montana there’s a fountain in a place called Hill Park. The fountain was funded by the United Daughters of the Confederacy – it’s a memorial to the dead men, the husbands, sons, uncles and brothers… not a memorial to the Confederacy.

        The city council says it must be removed immediately…there have already been arrests..I think somebody’s going to get an eye poked out.

        As I recall, there are several place names around Helena that hearken to the War of Northern Aggression. Names like Confederate Gulch, Radersburg and Unionville..I wonder if the city elders will change those as well?.

        Several years ago, the Forest Service started to sanitize the maps issued for public use…removing names like “Squaw Peak” and “Bloody Dick Mountain”…I asked the Ranger what they were going to rename the “Tetons” .

        ….this is beginning to feel a lot…. Orwellian.

        • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:26 pm #

          The Ku Klux Klan uniform is supposed to be the ghosts of dead Confederate soldiers.

        • Iananna August 18, 2017 at 2:36 pm #

          I look forward to the debate over the various Lynchburgs all over the country, from sea to polluted sea and esp down Swanee way.
          Pass the popcorn.

          • SpeedyBB August 18, 2017 at 10:17 pm #

            Well as our host has pointedly observed on more than one occasion it is suspiciously theatrical. The torch parade (with identical Wal-Mart tiki torches yet – how banal); the predictable confrontations, after which neither side comes to any enlightenment whatsoever as to how things might be done differently.

            Could there simply be a deep disgust with the nation? That would be something new for Lana the Free and Homer the Brave. You could certainly sense it in Germany after the war, Latinoamerica steadily, as one crooked caudillo crumples and vanishes offshore with the gold reserves. Or loses a war with an elderly Euro-nation thousands of miles away (at least they managed to rid Argentina of the junta). Cambodia. Thailand (that will certainly sharpen, considering the current management). Much of the EU (‘Why in the world did we let Germany talk us into this?’), following Greece. Disgust abounds in Turkey, Iran (among the restless youth), and so on. Japan, frozen in the continuum and turning radioactive. Sweden, morphing into a frozen no-go zone.

            Disgust with nationalism itself would also be a novelty. Last night RT carried an amazing pageant from Sevastopol: ‘Night Wolves’ with all sorts of synchronized marching, make-believe airplanes and soldiers, even a Joseph Stalin double in full uniform waving cheerily to the audience. Putin’s clearly trying to pep up his peoples, who in their wisdom are profoundly sick of incompetent, greedy governments, both near and far away.

            Small communities just want to be left alone to get on with life, wherever you look, but that is the one desire which shall not be fulfilled as long as there is one apparatchik left wielding power in the capital.

            War on cash anyone?

        • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 5:18 pm #

          Thanks. Things are changing, for the worse.

    • greatbeard August 18, 2017 at 2:44 pm #

      George Washington is now comparable to Robert E Lee? Perhaps you should do a little reading on President Washington. I’d suggest “Washington: A Life” by Ron Chernov. Perhaps then you wouldn’t make such absurd comparisons. And you wouldn’t need to drag the old “blacks killing blacks in Chicago” Red Herring out to cover your trail.

      You might also educate yourself on when and why the Monuments to the Confederacy proliferated. It wasn’t just after the Civil War. It wasn’t until after 1900 most of the moments were erected during the Jim Crow laws era. To play stupid and pretend they were erected innocently to honor person or history is really beneath you.

      I’m a life long southerner, born in Alabama and raised in the south. I love the south and it’s heritage. I’ll always be a southerner and a redneck and I’ll have to be honest, Yankees get under my skin. But that doesn’t stop me from seeing beyond this protecting southern heritage bull shit. If some of my fellow citizens and taxpayers find them offensive I understand. Let a bunch of Jane Fonda monuments sprout up on taxpayer property, at taxpayer expense, and let’s see if a bunch of folks don’t get real pissed off. I don’t need a statue for me to remember history or honor whatever part of it I think need honoring. I don’t want government bodies deciding who deserves honoring, any of them. While we’re at, how about we do away with all this Ronald Reagan the saint bull shit. Fuck some airport.

      • earltwitty August 18, 2017 at 3:00 pm #

        Here, here on the Ronald Reagan crap. An agenda to keep that legacy rolling forever!

      • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:34 pm #

        Now here’s a real Southerner! He loves his heritage but he “sees thru this “protecting southern heritage bull shit”. People who love real Southern Heritage love the monuments. Of course little old ladies in male bodies who think the War was fought to bring the races together, well who knows what such creatures “think”.

        I smell a great big rat.

        • greatbeard August 18, 2017 at 4:48 pm #

          >> People who love real Southern Heritage love the monuments.

          A bit of the old Sara Palin “real Americans” schtick eh? You nor Sara have the intellect to make those kind of broad statements.

          Here’s a hint on the rat, clean your hovel.

        • S M Tenneshaw August 19, 2017 at 12:41 am #

          Take a bath and brush yer teeth and the stench will go away.

        • elysianfield August 20, 2017 at 11:16 am #

          “I smell a great big rat.”
          ~
          General “Buck” Turgeson

    • JimInFlorida August 18, 2017 at 3:42 pm #

      “A gigantic erection. And white to boot.” – seawolf77

      I’m surprised thwack didn’t jump in on that!

    • Recusant August 19, 2017 at 10:11 am #

      Historical statues typically honor or remember people of greatness, the beneficial contribution they made. The Confederate generals hold no other claim than military men who fought to split up the union and retain slavery in their states. Since our culture has deemed slavery an intolerable injustice, it only befits us to remove structures glorifying that establishment. Those edifices, however, that honor Washington and Jefferson, albeit who were slave owners, are monuments erected not for those despicable acts, but for their more important contribution and personal sacrifices to create a new nation. Commemoration should be based upon one’s sum merit, not iniquity.

  2. K-Dog August 18, 2017 at 9:22 am #

    I’d like to hear to hear an argument as to why the Washington Monument should remain dedicated to that vicious slave-driver and rebellious soldier, and indeed the name of the city that is the federal seat of government.

    Because Washington was part of the Federal Government, Confederates were not. We have a state named for Washington but having a state named for a confederate would be an abomination.

    • DrTomSchmidt August 18, 2017 at 9:29 am #

      Abomination? Isn’t that a religious term?

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 9:53 am #

        I think you’re thinking of anathema.

      • K-Dog August 18, 2017 at 9:54 am #

        It can be but it can also mean extremely inappropriate in a cosmically significant way.

        a·bom·i·na·tion
        ??bäm??n?SH(?)n/
        noun
        noun: abomination; plural noun: abominations

        * a thing that causes disgust or hatred.
        “this bill is an abomination to all mankind”
        synonyms: atrocity, disgrace, horror, obscenity, outrage, evil, crime, monstrosity, anathema, bane
        “in both wars, internment was an abomination”

        * a feeling of hatred.
        “their abomination of indulgence”
        synonyms: detestation, loathing, hatred, aversion, antipathy, revulsion, repugnance, abhorrence, odium, execration, disgust, horror, hostility
        “she looked upon his kitschy decor with abomination”

        • DrTomSchmidt August 18, 2017 at 11:45 am #

          Interesting etymology:
          early 14c., “abominable thing or action;” late 14c., “feeling of disgust, hatred, loathing,” from Old French abominacion “abomination, horror, repugnance, disgust” (13c.), from Latin abominationem (nominative abominatio) “abomination,” noun of action from past participle stem of abominari “shun as an ill omen,” from ab “off, away from” (see ab-) + omin-, stem of omen (see omen).

          Ab-homine: away from man.

      • aibohphobia August 18, 2017 at 3:33 pm #

        Besides, when Trump got elected, we were not an Obama Nation any longer…

        • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 5:40 pm #

          Unfortunately, we are still Obama Nation. Every President has sown evil seed, which is left for the next President to cultivate and then the next to bring forth the harvest of Evil.

    • shotho August 18, 2017 at 9:33 am #

      You’re simply saying that because the Union had vastly superior forces their statues are the only legitimate ones.

      • K-Dog August 18, 2017 at 9:56 am #

        No I am saying so because they won.

        • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 10:05 am #

          Kinda like the winners write the history books. If it ain’t in the books it didn’t happen.

          • outsider August 18, 2017 at 11:02 am #

            That is exactly what the Cultural Marxists are shooting for. They want to obliterate the past and start all over, like the Bolsheviks did in the Russian Revolution.

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:34 am #

            If that’s true why are we arguing over statues of Confederate war heroes.

          • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 12:13 pm #

            Because “we” don’t see the big picture.

        • libertysghost August 18, 2017 at 1:19 pm #

          So we are debating which losers to memorialize then?

          What statues should replace these? I’m guessing the crowd demanding their removal aren’t basing those arguments on who won what…because if they did they’ll have a hard time justifying their ideas for replacements since they tend to only want to memorialize their “victim of the day” who by definition, didn’t really win.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:37 pm #

            If you beat me up because of my ideas, did you prove my ideas wrong? It’s kind of like that. The North won the War but didn’t win the Peace. Yankees are distrusted in many parts of rural America in a way Southerners are not.

  3. DrTomSchmidt August 18, 2017 at 9:27 am #

    The statues follow the same idea as renaming streets for MLK and others. A cheap gesture that is supposed to mollify the black lower class, instead of a change to the system that keeps them from having a chance at competing for the top prizes (leaving aside their own issues.) now we have an impoverished white class that also sees no prospects the way the system is set up, but is the loser in the no-cost signifying game.

    Rather than damage, JHK, you might consider: maybe the financial cluster-fuck will wind up healing, as it gives the upper classes a sense of what the black and now white working classes have suffered. They’re desperately trying to hold onto their privileges, and the whole edifice they’ve constructed around a rationale for that (we live in a “meritocracy,” don’t you know) is creaking and groaning under the stress.

    Recall: the median dollar amount of retirement savings in the USA is $5000.
    epi.org/publication/retirement-in-america/#charts

    When the system goes, maybe we can have a reset on unpayable debt that has created a new slavery. I didn’t see Antifa fighting those slavers, but they’re far more pernicious for being unobvious. Oh, and they have the advantage of being alive now.

    • newworld August 18, 2017 at 9:58 am #

      FTR stay off of MLK blvd in Chicago and Indianapolis.

      • thwack August 18, 2017 at 10:23 am #

        stay off MLK blvd everywhere.

        just sayin

        • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:37 pm #

          You know, Thwack, there are a few more commendable blacks than just MLK.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:39 pm #

            Hardcore Communist, plagiarist, and sex addict who liked to beat White Prostitutes – as he did the night before his death.

            What you don’t know can hurt you.

        • BackRowHeckler August 18, 2017 at 7:09 pm #

          Marcus Garvey Blvd, Malcolm X Blvd, MLK Blvd … get out quick, while you still can.

          brh

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 9:59 am #

      When the system goes, maybe we can have a reset on unpayable debt that has created a new slavery.

      You’re an incorrigible optimist DrTom!

      • DrTomSchmidt August 18, 2017 at 11:27 am #

        A lot of private enterprises got going in the 1930s when the Depression weakened their large competitors. Black and white lower classes have been impoverished and humbled. Perhaps when the top echelon feels this we will get change.

        It’s the only sugar that will make some bitter medicine palatable.

        • DA August 18, 2017 at 11:53 am #

          Could be, but I’m not counting on it. The elite’s knowledge base – not to mention their unbridled chutzpah – has increased exponentially since the 1930’s. Credit where credit is due: the morally degenerate rich cocksuckers are studious and opportunistic.

  4. shotho August 18, 2017 at 9:30 am #

    Mr. K, the financial situation will be significant enough that all attention will be focused on it, as it prefigures the shift from plenty to want.

    • outsider August 18, 2017 at 11:06 am #

      No it won’t Slotho. The media will keep all of its attention focused on Trump until they bring him down. If the financial system crumples fast enough (as happened in 2008) the American people won’t know what hit ’em.

      • shotho August 18, 2017 at 12:21 pm #

        Talk about optimism! Wait until counterparties can’t and won’t get paid and see how long anyone cares about Trump.

        • ozone August 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

          shotho,
          Aha! A glimmering, high-seas, real-world example of what Meester Jeem and yourself have been pondering for some time now:

          “The tanker was loaded with oil in late June at the Caribbean island of St. Eustatius where PDVSA rents storage tanks, and has been waiting for authorization to discharge since early July, according to Reuters. It is here that the delivery process was halted as crude sellers request letters of credit from customers that guarantee payment within 30 days after a cargo is delivered.

          While the documents must be issued by a bank and received before the parties agree to discharge, this time this is impossible as the correspondent bank has decided to avoid interacting with PDVSA and running afoul of the latest US sanctions. It was not immediately clear which banks have denied letters of credit and if other U.S. refiners are affected.”

          Now we can be excused for having the unmitigated gall to ask the forbidden question: Just WHO is it that our glorious-and-good congress works for with these outrageous sanctions bills? Is it at the behest and urging of “the ‘Murkin peepole”? (I’m getting an inkling that said peepole have zero input into these soberly-considered issues.)

          zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-17/venezuelan-tanker-stranded-louisiana-coast

  5. Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 9:38 am #

    Kunstler: “I’d like to hear an argument…” By your command.

    Premise: We ought to embrace what is good and reject what is evil.

    Premise: Slavery was and is an evil.

    Fact: The evil of slavery was the single, central and constitutive principle of the Confederacy. This was made unmistakably clear by Confederate vice president Alexander Stephens:

    “The ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were that the enslavement of the African race was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. Our new government is founded on exactly opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and moral condition. This our Government is the first in the history of the world based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. It is upon this our social fabric is firmly planted, and I cannot permit myself to doubt the ultimate success of the full recognition of this principle throughout the civilized and enlightened world…. This stone which was rejected by the first builders ‘is become the chief stone of the corner’ in our new edifice.” [Emphasis added.]

    Seldom does history offer such clarity. In contradistinction to the republic founded by Washington, or the District of Columbia (or the city of Columbus, OH or the province of British Columbia or the South American country of Colombia), the Confederacy embraced slavery not as a means to an end but as its central and constitutive principle. It did so at a time when national opinion outside the South had turned against the evil of slavery.

    Conclusion: The Confederacy, being founded explicitly on the embrace of evil, uniquely deserves rejection and repudiation.

    Asked and answered, Jim. I look forward to your response.

    • newworld August 18, 2017 at 9:44 am #

      I’ll up your moral fitness exercise if political virtue.

      Ban white identity politics.

      • shotho August 18, 2017 at 10:50 am #

        But not black identity politics – or hispanic identity politics – or feminist identity politics – or homosexual identity politics – or or or or?

        • newworld August 18, 2017 at 12:17 pm #

          No the Protected Classes are just that protected by law at the very least in theory till they threaten the rather pale elite that is robbing this country.

          • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:41 pm #

            Since you can’t punctuate a sentence, your ideas are worthless.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 1:16 pm #

            I’m disappointed in you, sophia. The Hillary-style Democrats use similar tactics to dismiss the concerns of ‘deplorables’.

            I don’t think of what I post around here as virtue-signaling; I consider it an effort, however piddling, to focus on actual virtue as I understand it. Opposing racism and white supremacism is important, but the virtue-signaling Democrats have lulled themselves into believing that that’s enough — to the great benefit of their donors and to the terrible injury of their country, as we saw in Charlottesville last weekend.

            Steve Bannon understands this perfectly. He told a journalist this week: “‘The Democrats,’ he said, ‘the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ’em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.'”

            prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant

            What a pity that Bernie Sanders was denied the nomination.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 1:58 pm #

            And now Bannon’s out? Gosh, events move fast sometimes.

          • ozone August 18, 2017 at 2:02 pm #

            Elrond,
            Point taken, but… Bannon gone. That is all.

          • ozone August 18, 2017 at 2:04 pm #

            Oopsie!
            Went back “up” to thread-following. Beat me to it!

      • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:43 pm #

        Here’s what I was talking about. He wants to take something wrong, something that hurts people, and instead of righting it (which has largely already been done) he wants to swing that pendulum the other way so that an equal wrong can then be redone and we can have fighting and murder forever.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:49 pm #

          If you are driving towards the center line you move right. If you are too close to parked cars you move left. It’s more complicated in real life because the Left are “people” who want to move left over the sacred center and crash the car. He’s right and your wrong: they need to be crushed. We’re into the Male Mysteries here and it’s time people like you learned silence. You don’t get it and you’re not going to get it. You would make a desert and call it peace. There are far worse things than war as General Lee knew well.

          • sophia August 19, 2017 at 11:54 pm #

            Your response made no sense. Moving a little is one thing, swinging pendulums too far is another.

            And bullshit on the silence and the male mysteries. My disappointment with women is precisely that they do not interfere with these male violence mysteries. They need to put a stop to it when needed. Not saying always.

          • sophia August 20, 2017 at 12:01 am #

            And why are you defending someone who said white identity politics should be banned?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2017 at 5:04 pm #

            In other words, men are just children who need to listen to their mummies and mummy wives. And of course, women despise men who imbibe their poison.

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 9:50 am #

      Robert E Lee was a loser. He lost the war. He’ a loser. Which is the tell here. If you are a white supremacist, to Trump you’re a winner even if you are factually and historically, a loser. General Lee went to West Point and graduated top of his class. He could have fought for the Union. He knew in his heart of hearts he was fighting for a republic that enslaved men. He did not distance himself from this republic, he embraced it, he fought for it; and he lost.

      • newworld August 18, 2017 at 9:56 am #

        Ban white identity politics, it’s quite simple.

        Yes he lost the war, and yes the UDC spent way too much time and money building statues, but that is not your point.

        Your point as probably a submissive white male on the left is act like a hysterical fool who out hysterics in a permissible way allowing you to remain on the left.

        JHK the host understands this, you are simply to much of a white male of low rank and deathly afraid of the others in your coalition to do anything remotely different.

        You can call me a “nahtzeee” all you want, but you in your pathetic life have never said boo to a feminist or a person of color, never.

      • DrTomSchmidt August 18, 2017 at 11:34 am #

        This mentality, combined with the US policy of unconditional surrender, patented by US Grant during the Civil War, turns EVERY war into a total war. There is disparagement, and perhaps later cultural and then physical genocide. This will encourage losers of a war to fight on, since obliteration is likely in either case.

        Contrast the Iliad, one of the founding books of Western Civilization. The Trojans lost, but the Greeks would never call them losers, or disparage the name of Hector.

        Destroy the culture of war, as Martin Van Creveld calls it, and you’ll guarantee not NO war, but incomparably worse war.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:52 pm #

          Yes, as Patton said about the treatment of the Germans: it’s not European but Semitic. We’ve seen the return of total war a la the Assyrians of the Ancient Middle East. This century now bids fair to outdo the 20th in the body count.

        • SpeedyBB August 18, 2017 at 10:52 pm #

          Thank you for this historical insight.

          Still, compared to the days when the privileged classes would pack picnic boxes and take their families to a high point to observe enemies frolicking on the battlefield the ante has been upped considerably since 1918: the bellicose public, the manipulative elite and the governing class are all held hostage by the prospect of a thermonuclear conflagration.

          That’s nice, as it spreads risk the way it should be shared. During the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, Cold Warrior Jack Kennedy was heard musing about the prospect of losing twenty million of his fellow Americans in an exchange with the USSR.

          He did not presumably include his good self or the denizens of Hyena Sport. He should have.

          • DrTomSchmidt August 19, 2017 at 11:02 am #

            Yeah, we forget one thing about the horror of nuclear weapons: there’s no way for the fallout not to affect the elite. Those Christians killed on Nagasaki Sunday died to bring about a world where, after 1949 when the Soviets acquired one, the idea of large-scale war between great powers became unthinkable because of its horror. More than horror, it’s damage to the elite.

            Until they solve that problem, we need only worry about minor wars against people without nuclear weapons, and civil wars.

    • RIB August 18, 2017 at 10:49 am #

      So why wait 165 years?

      • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:03 am #

        Why wait for 40 years to erect some of those statues. Most were built after the war was over, in white neighborhoods, for white folk.

        • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:11 am #

          According to Michael Steele, it happened when the old Confederate veterans started dying off and the nostalgia set in to the point where they just had to scratch that itch. Did any of them wonder like I did that perhaps it was a touch indelicate? You bet your sweet ass they did.

          • newworld August 18, 2017 at 12:24 pm #

            Again quite true on your part. The Georgia flag controversy for example, when a good many Confederate vets were still kicking the flag of 1920 did not have the stars and bars.

        • wolfbay August 18, 2017 at 1:39 pm #

          Most were erected in the 1920s when KKK members numbered in the millions. They were largely democrats and a KKK member almost got the presidential nomination from the democratic national committee. I assume this doesn’t mean democrats are racist today.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 11:33 am #

        RIB: “So why wait 165 years?”

        That’s the wrong question. The correct question is, why does Jefferson Davis’ horrid slave empire still have defenders 165 years later? The answer says dark things about human nature.

        Or, to put it more succinctly: Better late than never.

        • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:52 am #

          You’re right, and what I seldom hear said is The Confederates were TRAITORS.

          Confederate flag, flag of the traitors.

          Robert E Lee, a great man in his own way, but a traitor.

          • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 12:21 pm #

            Do you believe those who signed the Declaration of Independence were traitors?

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm #

            They were traitors to England. I know the South was legal in seceding from the Union, and I know what Lincoln did was treasonous invading the south, and I know the Confederate States of America meant that they were still Americans. Slavery was legal. That had to change, and my ancestors didn’t want it to, and that’s sad and irreconcilable.

          • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 1:19 pm #

            It would have changed here just as it changed in other places.

            Slavery [ chattel ] was not the main issue. Economics was the main issue.

            The 14th Amendment converted all of us into [ economic ] slaves.

          • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 4:53 pm #

            messianicdruid

            The late Raymond Crotty explained the economics of slavery in agricultural societies, ie all societies until quite recently.

            In the riverine societies of Egypt and Mesopotamia with the technology of the time one seed planted would yield about ten grains. The population expanded to fill the available arable land. All had equal worth (or rather worthlessness) under an autocratic ruler since nobody could expand overall output by their own individual labour.

            In Mediterranian societies like Greece the return on one seed was closer to four (from memory). Agriculture alone (so argued Crotty) was not viable in that, while you could grow enough to feed yourself and perhaps one other it was not enough to reproduce. However it *was* profitable if you used slaves (‘things that talk’) as they did not reproduce and the (admittedly meagre) surplus from their labour went to the slave owner, or society.

            In the forests of Western Europe even slave labour could not provide a decisive benefit in a very harsh climate where the return on each seed was perhaps as low as two or three. The urgent problem facing the first settlers was fodder for their cattle over the harsh winters. The answer was for these pastoralists to use them as draught to grow cereals, the straw of which was used as fodder. A long painfully slow period of steady investment in capital (livestock, seedcorn, tools, barns) allowed a steady if slow increase in output. Decisions had to be made about which animals to retain with the limited fodder and which to slaughter. Delayed gratification was a necessary virtue. By 1000 AD output in northern Europe overtook the south. With capital it was possible for an individual through hard work and intelligence to increase his own output and that of society. Given effectively free land (the region had been covered with forest that had to be laboriously cleared – I imagine the situation was similar for the first settlers in America) output was potentially infinite.

            Ireland because of its mild, wet winter and summer climate fell outside the capitalist area and capitalism did not evolve. Instead its people were pastoralist and, like everywhere else except W. Europe, collectivist rather than individualist. The Bantu tribes which expanded out of W. Africa about a thousand years ago were and are also pastoralist.

            Crotty argued that slavery in America became unprofitable about two centuries ago or so (again from memory) because the whole world (and especially eastern Asia) had been opened up and the raw materials from plantations were more cheaply available elsewhere. In the West Indies Africans were imported as slaves because they could withstand the harsh conditions better than the indigenous peoples. In the 17th C the British tried using Irish deportees as slaves but they were seditious and too eager to support any rebellion that happened.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:56 pm #

            And you guys are traitors to the White Race and Western Culture. No quarter shall be given on either side. Don’t bank on the traditions of mercy and gentility which you have mocked so viciously.

          • S M Tenneshaw August 19, 2017 at 12:57 am #

            Well Janny baby, Confucius say, cyberspace bolshevik equal meatspace burger flipper.

        • GhostOfHam August 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm #

          “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
          — President Lincoln, written in 1858, quoted from Cato Institute article ‘Lincoln, Secession and Slavery’ by Tibor R. Machan

          “My paramount object in this struggle is TO SAVE THE UNION, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. IF I COULD SAVE THE UNION WITHOUT FREEING ANY SLAVE I WOULD DO IT; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race,
          I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.”

          — President Lincoln, excerpt from: a letter to Horace Greeley, dated August 22, 1862.

          “We have stricken the (slave) shackles from four million human beings and brought all laborers to a common level not so much by the elevation of former slaves as BY PRACTICALLY REDUCING THE WHOLE WORKING POPULATION, WHITE AND BLACK, TO A CONDITION OF SERFDOM. While boasting of our noble deeds, we are careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have NATIONALIZED A SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery.”

          — Horace Greeley (1811-1872), founder of the New York Tribune, speaking on post-civil war or ‘14th amendment’ citizenship

          Slavery and citizenship are more closely alike than one might imagine.

          Perhaps we should all stop the worship of graven images and Idols whether they be from the Northern or Southern Districts.

          • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 5:16 pm #

            Good quotes. Rather than idol worship the issue is the clichéd division of good and evil. Fantasies cannot cope with an examination of the evidence and this explains all the deceit.

            Goetz Aly wrote an interesting book recently about the German 68ers. He sees them as growing out of the rootless radicalism of their fathers who had supported the Nazis in their own youth. So the ‘rebellion’ (about what? Long hair, ‘bluejeans’, ‘rock und roll’ and corporal punishment in schools, fairly quickly latching onto Amerikanisch Imperialismus) quickly became authoritarian.

            “Deswegen 68 relativ rasch in totalitare unduldsam Forme umgerarten ist: dieses Freundfeinddenken, diese Utopismus dass man die ganze Welt verandern muesste…”

            So the 68ers fairly quickly adopted intolerant totalitarian forms: this friend-enemy-thinking, this utopianism that you had to change the whole world… these are elements that came from the 20thC totalitarian tradition.

            I like that word, Freundfeinddencken (I caught it right). It has to mean what I say above about simplistic categorizing into good and evil, as is happening with Trump. I think you get this in all such fantasies, mass delusoins and witch hunts.

            youtube.com/watch?v=my9wSKkJQyA

            25.05

          • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 6:08 pm #

            The destruction of the slave power was unambiguously a good thing. That said, was the good of the slaves not Lincoln’s primary goal? Was he more concerned with his republic’s existence than the state of its soul? What a pity. Tsk tsk.

            It’s excellent when people do the right thing for the right reason. If they do the right thing for other reasons, that hardly requires a do-over.

          • elysianfield August 20, 2017 at 11:31 am #

            “Perhaps we should all stop the worship of graven images and Idols whether they be from the Northern or Southern Districts.”

            Perhaps we should set the battle lines and be done with it. Anarchy bred from Marxist Cultural Guerillas, in our future, is a given…submit or fight.

      • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 11:35 am #

        Because the hysteria is happening now.

    • Q. Shtik August 18, 2017 at 1:56 pm #

      In the prior thread Messianicdruid pointed out something obvious but very relevant: Modern people too often judge ancients by modern standards.

      Whatever people believe today negates and makes awful whatever people used to believe.

      Probably half or more of the world’s population adheres to Judaism, Christianity or Islam. These religions all have their roots in the Old Testament whose stories span 3000 years beginning about 5000 years ago. Slavery seems to have been a common station in life throughout that period and I have not read one word thus far (thru 2/3rds of the OT) that says slavery was immoral. Only the proper treatment of slaves is addressed.

      It was just the other day that I read this astonishing paragraph (by today’s standards) in a section titled ‘Property and Servants’ from the Book of Sirach, Chap 33, V 25-33:

      Fodder and whip and loads for an ass; the yoke and harness and the rod of his master. | Food, correction and work for a slave; and for a wicked slave, punishment in the stocks. Make a slave work and he will look for his rest; let his hands be idle and he will seek to be free. Force him to work that he be not idle, for idleness is an apt teacher of mischief. Put him to work, for that is what befits him; if he becomes unruly, load him with chains. But never lord it over any human being, and do nothing unjust. If you have but one slave, treat him like yourself, for you have acquired him with your life’s blood; if you have but one slave, deal with him as a brother, for you need him as you need your life: If you mistreat him and he runs away, in what direction will you look for him?

      Note: I am quoting from a Catholic Bible called the Confraternity Version, published around 1950. This Bible is loaded with footnotes meant to provide explanation of certain verses where it is deemed necessary. Here are the footnotes applicable to slaves:

      Slaves are to be given food and work and correction but never to be treated unjustly (25-29). Great care should be taken of good slaves (30-33).

      Sooo, the takeaway from all this is that everything that has been believed for 5000 years until verrry recently has been total bullshit according to the new left.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 2:13 pm #

        Whaddya mean, “according to the new left”? Of course much of what was believed for the past 5,000 years was total bullshit. Would you board a flying machine designed according to Aristotle’s Physics? That would be a complicated way to either accomplish nothing or commit suicide.

        Human beings learned how to build and fly actual airplanes only after they began to test their inherited beliefs and reject the ones that didn’t measure up. This is as true for the barbaric values of the Old Testament as it is for the natural philosophy of years gone by.

        I don’t blame people born into a society of ignorance and cruelty for being no better than their times. I do blame present-day people who advocate a return to atavism and barbarism, because they have no excuse.

        • GhostOfHam August 19, 2017 at 12:42 am #

          May I make a few suggestions, please?

          I’ve had to learn these suggestions too.

          Don’t conflate barbarism with the (whole of the) Old Testament (or the New). Read or re-read the books not as “hocus-pocus” old-beared-man (church) religion and atavism (as a single narrative) but as Natural (negative) Law ( as opposed to Positive ascriptive law) while attempting to discern the God or (lower-case) god who is speaking or acting or exhorting or demanding an action (of or to a slave) in a passage. In this way you might see a parallel series of parables and lessons running sychronously though out the stories, even ones that are, on the outset, abhorent to you.

          Don’t take the narratives as straight-out factual History. His-story is encoded: it’s written language: it’s a language art form created (and re-created, or transmogrified many times over) in / for agency to serve a legal corruption of another positive law fiction’s form: it’s a re-presentation of what is real: in this case, it’s a (bible of) simulation: of a copy of a copy of a copy without an original, and therefore historically fictitious: a lie, accepted as Truth in a reader’s instance of imagination. And soon to be electronically virtualized.

          Indeed, people were enslaved. And while slavery’s style has gone mostly from the ends of the North American cracker whips, one should not imagine that the devils’ tongues do not still whisper the spirit of it into the ears of the lawful gods who, with with a civil aesthetic, dispense it where needed, desired, and licensed.

          Study and discern those gods cruelty. Let us hear what they say. Beware them. Apprehend them. Dig into the law of Laws and look over the exoteric narratives into the esoteric, the inside, mystery.

          The Deepest State wants you to stay on the outside.

          “It is impossible to enslave, mentally or socially, A BIBLE-READING PEOPLE. The
          principles of the bible are the groundwork of human freedom.”
          — Horace Greeley, founding editor of ‘The New-Yorker’ and ‘New York Tribune’ newspapers

          • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 9:43 am #

            I’m pretty sure people have always sought to do good and avoid evil, as they understand those things. But part of maturity is learning to govern your passions, and that includes your moral passions. You have to let go of infantile egotism and understand that you’re embedded in a larger reality.

            The great difference between our times (since roughly the invention of the printing press) and prior eras is the enormous increase in perspective-taking. The commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is morally correct, but it becomes much easier to obey as you come to understand people unlike yourself. Taking their perspective unveils how profound the similarities are between us and how superficial most of the differences.

            There have been, are, and will always be those among us who reject the full humanity of others unlike themselves, and they will seize on opportunities where they find them. This includes seizing on the surface meaning of biblical tales which a more mature understanding would see as relics of a bygone era.

        • DrTomSchmidt August 19, 2017 at 11:04 am #

          You might like to read the book The Half Life of Facts, which undergirds much of your argument.

        • DrTomSchmidt August 19, 2017 at 11:21 am #

          I don’t blame people born into a society of ignorance and cruelty for being no better than their times. I do blame present-day people who advocate a return to atavism and barbarism, because they have no excuse.

          Better than not blaming them, EH, can you praise the writer of the passage? He was born into a world where unbridled violence towards slaves might have been the norm. If he didn’t make the leap to “slavery is immoral,” since that would require overturning the whole mentality and legal system of the society he lived in, he at least moves the slave owner towards seeing his slave as a brother, and thus as a human. Without hat leap, you’re stuck with a Roman mentality of working slaves to death with the knowledge that the army will soon make war on some other hapless nearby society and supply a coterie of new slaves.

          With the exception of Slavery’s legality in the USA, you’ll find no support in this country for a return to it in actuality, though our system permits it. The work now is to continue applying the principle that no man should own another.

          That means taking on Debt slavery, and that is a discussion that the elite that benefits from the system REALLY doesn’t want to have. But as JHK points out, the system of rackets that includes unpayable debt has to come to an end.

          Antifa is there to keep that from happening peacefully.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 9:56 am #

            Slavery-in-actuality does exist now in the USA. The old system of slavery wasn’t fully abolished following the Civil War, only heavily modified. The 13th amendment forbids slavery ‘except as punishment for crime, whereof the person shall have been duly convicted’ (that’s a paraphrase, working from memory). Another way to put that is: “You can enslave people if you can gin up a conviction for some crime other other.” If you think that’s unfair, just draw the Venn diagram between criminal conviction and slavery; it’s identical in both cases. The chain gangs of prior decades and the mass prison labour of today, which targets blacks far more than any other ethnicity thanks to Nixon’s bogus War on Drugs, are evolutions of this updated system.

            Debt slavery was used extensively against freed slaves and their descendants. When African-Americans talk about being “hassled by The Man”, that recalls the furnishing man who rented farmers the necessary tools of their trade that they otherwise couldn’t afford. They would loan them the money at the beginning of the season and strip back the better part of the farmers’ earnings as interest and fees, thus preventing black farmers from accumulating wealth (much as housing discrimination prevented blacks from owning their own homes and accumulating wealth that way).

            White Americans used to enjoy great advantages over their black neighbours. But the past 30-40 years of Reaganomics have reduced the advantage to the point where white working people are feeling the bite that African-Americans have known all along. Hence Trump.

          • elysianfield August 20, 2017 at 11:39 am #

            “which targets blacks”

            Elrond

            Your statement is in error…it targets felons, a disproportionate number being black…would be more accurate and defendable a statement.

          • DrTomSchmidt August 20, 2017 at 12:07 pm #

            Yep. White power structures built a police state, which was fine as long as it was used only against blacks. The war on drugs being a great example. Now that police state has taken aim at whites, too. Maybe that will get it shut down; maybe it has grown too strong to stop by now.

            The power elite have failed to distribute the benefits recently, and have cut out even more of the population. They’d love a black-white lower class war that eliminates many of the useless eaters so they don’t have to give back.

            On wealth: the chief asset any person owns is the usufructs of his labor. Housing is actually a pretty poor way to gain wealth, unless you’re writing mortgages.
            eh.net/encyclopedia/african-americans-in-the-twentieth-century/

            Black female income as a percentage of white female income continued to rise to near parity. Black male income suffered a fall between 1979 and 1989, perhaps because people locked up don’t earn any income. For whatever reason, the rising trend from the 40s seems to have reversed about the time you identified,

          • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 2:27 pm #

            elysianfield: Targets felons, having pre-defined people of colour as a suspect population. This used to be black-letter law, e.g. sundown towns where black people were forbidden to enter or remain at night; also shady wink-and-a-nod practises like ‘literacy tests’ that were enforced in draconian fashion against African-Americans to deny them the vote, while grandfather clauses ensured that their white neighbours faced no meaningful barrier.

            Jim Crow laws having been mostly shamed out of existence, the practise continues as unspoken bias baked into law enforcement. Nixon instituted the war on drugs as a pretext for targeting black citizens and activists — he couldn’t openly say he was doing political policing, but that’s what it was and largely remains. A more recent example is the police shooting of Philando Castile. His firearm was legal and we have ample video evidence that Castile properly and carefully advised the officer it was there, yet the officer shot him anyway.

            If the fix were not in against African Americans, the National Rifle Association would have gone to bat for Philando Castile the same way they go apeshit over the slightest hint of scepticism of the second Amendment. Their conspicuous silence highlights that the law of the land remains a weapon to be used against the black population, just as it always has been.

      • ozone August 18, 2017 at 2:24 pm #

        Q.,
        So WTF are youse waiting for? Declare yourself (home, wife and chattel) a Catholic sect (perhaps, “The Most Catholic Church of Our Chained and Wretched Savior”), and buy yourself a slave! …And just think, no mo’ taxes! Ain’t that bible thing grand? “It’s All Good!”

        (And yes, I’d wager that most of what “has been believed for 5000 years until verrry recently has been total bullshit”. Remember, folks were purposely kept in morbid ignorance and illiteracy for a reason.)

        • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 3:47 pm #

          It is the modern standards [ purposefully misapplied ] that are bullshit. Willful Ignorance [ rejection ] of the divine law is no excuse.

          Now we have economic slaves all over the country who are not paid a living wage and are subsidized by other economic slaves so the filthy rich can keep accumulating wealth.

          Continue serving false gods [ rule makers ] and our lives will continue to degrade.

        • SpeedyBB August 19, 2017 at 1:42 am #

          (I’ve always admired this cynical quote:)

          ‘Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.’

          Lucius Annaeus Seneca

          • DrTomSchmidt August 19, 2017 at 11:07 am #

            India is the most religious country on Earth, Sweden the least. America is a nation of Indians, ruled by Swedes.

            Always liked that quote.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 9:59 am #

            Yup. Frank Herbert’s Dune is a brilliant exegesis of that quote.

    • aibohphobia August 18, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

      @Elrond,
      You have obviously not visited the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, VA. Had you done so, you would already know that the South was fighting for their 10th amendment right to secede from the Union. The North was waging economic warfare against the South by requiring them to give up slaves while at the same time preventing their industrial development. Per the MotC, the Civil War had very little to do with slavery. Lincoln himself said early on that he would not advocate freeing the slaves. Only later in the conflict did he issue the Emancipation Proclamation as a way to destabilize the enemy.

      I _do_ wonder though, how many of the anti-slavery agitators are wearing clothing, the tags of which proclaim “made in Bangladesh” or in another 3rd world hellhole factory. Protesting against slavery while making slave-made clothing is a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?

      And, I don’t remember reading about groups of Southerners visiting Northern cities to demand the pulling down of statues of Sherman, that pillager of the Georgia countryside and starver of children– At least, not yet…

      • Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 6:19 pm #

        I’ll put this as clearly as I know how: I don’t give a good goddamn about the political theories, the post-hoc rationalizations, the wailing and gnashing of teeth, or the romantic nostalgia of the defeated for their Lost Cause.

        The destruction of the slave power and the emancipation of the enslaved population were an urgent moral necessity. If that was accomplished because the North was pursuing its interest, then at least it was accomplished. Blessed are those who do what’s right even if it’s not in their interest.

        • aibohphobia August 19, 2017 at 12:28 am #

          Careful, @Elrond– You are dangerously close to proclaiming that ‘The End Justifies the Means.’
          No one disagrees that freeing the slaves was a good thing, perhaps the only good thing to come out of the first US Civil War. But I do maintain that it was mostly a happy accident of history. It also made the former Confederate States effectively into colonies of the North, to be stripped of their resources and other wealth for the following hundred years. Was the suffering and effective enslavement of every race of the entire population of the South for a hundred years a ‘just solution?’
          Hopefully the second US Civil War (which seems to be forming around us) will have a less tragic outcome for the bulk of the US Population.

        • SpeedyBB August 19, 2017 at 1:45 am #

          Like Lyndon Baines Johnson and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

          ‘I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years.’

          (Alas, the rest of the South shifted Republican.)

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 4:42 pm #

      So you actually think the Negro is our equal? What is your proof? It’s simply ridiculous on the face of it – even beavers build better structures. He lacked writing and the wheel.

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm #

        That’s simply not true. Beavers have excellent schools where they teach braille wood chewing and roulette. That way they can chew the chips they place bets with. It’s a very nice system. The big eye in the beaver sky is watching them though. Tich! Tich! There’s no beating the house. Cha ching! How I miss the sound of a cash register!

    • Exscotticus August 20, 2017 at 1:57 am #

      Why limit such sophistry to statues?

      Premise: We ought to embrace what is good and reject what is evil.
      Premise: Stealing land is evil.
      Fact: America stole land from native Americans time and again.
      Conclusion: We must return all stolen lands to native Americans and vacate.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 10:02 am #

        Technically true. Sadly you can’t unbake a cake, no matter how badly you want the eggs back. But you have to understand how you got where you are to know the next step to take.

  6. RobH August 18, 2017 at 9:40 am #

    The Indians have taken all the British statues down and put them in fields leaving empty plinths and niches where once the gracious Queen Victoria could watch over them. The fields look like like graveyards of Empire

    The story used to be told of the British bringing civilization and trade, wheras really it was an asset stripping exercise. A parasite that nearly killed the host

    Your turn….

  7. pequiste August 18, 2017 at 9:45 am #

    The “… laundry chute of history..” JHK

    More like the ancient and venerable Cloaca Maxima of history.

    Politicians like Nancy “So Full Of Shit” Pelosi show how to lead the way: instituting the antitheses of Manifest Destiny. That would be the Deconstructionist method, right? The dozen years after the Civil War had the Reconstruction and now we are seeing a different set of scallawags and carpetbaggers stealing the history and heritage from the once great society. The wealth part was already pocketed by the Evil Bastards, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley technocrats.

    Our appointment with the dark destiny swiftly approaches (as Jim points out so mordantly.)

    Then add in the great cosmic clock striking the hour of the times on Monday and, by its path of totality, literally cutting the lower 48 in half. Signs and wonders in the heavens.

    Looking for a special hat to wear for the occasion.

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 9:57 am #

      You’re in top form today! Well done!

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 10:01 am #

      Fashion yourself an orange mitre.

      • pequiste August 18, 2017 at 10:10 am #

        You’ve been catching up on the latest issues of either “Vogue” or “Vatican Vestements Today,” haven’t you Wolfie?

        As au courant as your suggestion is, I was instead considering something a little more substantial in Kevlar, or perhaps a Devil-May-Care ostentatious and flirty number in aluminum foil.

        • DA August 18, 2017 at 10:52 am #

          LOL! When is aluminum foil NOT a bold and daring fashion statement? Practical, long-wearing Kevlar during the day paired with some elegant foil evening wear for stepping out on the town is always in good taste!

    • outsider August 18, 2017 at 11:26 am #

      I doubt if “Master Legislator” (her term) Pelosi has any idea what the term deconstructionist means. She reigns supreme in her safe left-wing SF district while she brings her party to ruin. And all of her congressional subjects are afraid of that frail senile old lady or she would no longer be minority leader.

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 6:13 pm #

        Lest us not forget, she is probably a master debater too.

  8. messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 10:02 am #

    “Because Washington was part of the Federal Government, Confederates were not.”

    How are you obligated to a government you have no part in?

  9. newworld August 18, 2017 at 10:04 am #

    FTR I am not upset about black people removing white names or statues from the black community.

    Not because I’m a foolish left wing virtue signaler (boring) I simply do not care about blacks beyond simple politeness as needed for day to day living in a mixed race society.

    • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 10:16 am #

      “I am not upset about black people removing white names or statues from the black community.”

      I agree. They should be removed to white communities where they belong. Uh-oh.

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 10:21 am #

        They should be in museums or Confederate graveyards or in private residences. I’m from New Orleans and I always asked myself why did my city put up a statue of the guy who lost the war to preserve slavery. Lee’s Circle should never have happened and good riddance. Way to go Mayor Landrieu!

        • newworld August 18, 2017 at 12:13 pm #

          Not a bad idea for the Confederates.

          Of course the Founders are next so your perhaps as few as a couple of weeks from now you are going to possibly be labeled a reactionary.

          I lived in NO in Audubon Park a block from the park itself nice neighborhood, might as well change that name as well. Never mind Jackson Park.

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:35 pm #

            The Founding Fathers are not next. Yes they were slave owners. Yes they didn’t address it then when they should have. But remember they were battling the British Empire at the time, and in many ways still are. I give them a pass.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:12 pm #

            Just the other day Sharpton suggested taking down the Jefferson monument – so you’re wrong. Get out of your own head and start listening.

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 6:12 pm #

            Good. Take them all down. The Founding Fathers would have abhorred monuments too. But an accurate rendering of history; priceless.

    • elysianfield August 20, 2017 at 11:48 am #

      “FTR I am not upset about black people removing white names or statues from the black community.”

      But the community now populated by blacks used to be populated by whites, and may again, as society roils. Does it not remind one of clouds of locusts, transient, and destroying all in their path? We are all temporary, as is the current black angst.

  10. FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 10:07 am #

    In the beginning, monuments are destroyed, then churches …

    Next step – demand all images of Christ to be teared down and burned.

    • pequiste August 18, 2017 at 10:17 am #

      You’ve got the final objective of the American version of the “League of the Militant Godless (Liga voinstvuyushchego bezbozhnogo”) absolutely correct Finca.

      You will recall how well that worked for the Soviet Union.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 10:22 am #

        Nietzsche, by pronouncing God is dead! brought into play those historical forces that in 40 years created the image of Hell on Earth – Auschwitz. (Or GULAG if you like that better).

        Personally, I doubt that God is dead, after all Trump is the President, not Hillary.

        • DA August 18, 2017 at 10:44 am #

          Nah, I think he just observed and elucidated the already emerging reality. The ‘God is Dead’ reality had been emerging since the beginning of the Enlightenment. Science was and is a powerful tool for advancement in wise hands; unfortunately, humanity was not and is not yet a wise race. Probably never will be if current trends continue to play out.

    • RIB August 18, 2017 at 10:51 am #

      be torn down. But yes, that’s coming

    • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 11:59 am #

      I was thinking the same.

      There are echoes of the Spanish Civil War in this, probably because I just happen to be reading a lot about it just now. Nearly all the republicans were strongly anti-clerical, be they socialists, communists, anarchists or merely ‘moderate’ jacobins like Azana and burning down churches and Catholic libraries and educational institutions was in the fashion, almost a national sport. I see a picture in Pio Moa’s history of the war with happy young men smashing up statues. A woman holding a child looks on with interest. Religion was the superstition that was keeping the people down. That and the feudalism. It wasn’t rational enough and had to be got rid of.

      Another interesting thing about the republicans was that they were anything but democratic. The first couple of years of the Republic weren’t too bad and they could put up with the elected governments. But then they didn’t like them and they planned a revolution. Then in early 1936 they made sure that Spain got the right government by rigging the election.

      But looking back they were right because they were the good guys and not the bad guys. And we know that democracy isn’t everything it is made out to be because otherwise how could Brexit and Trump have happened?

      I was wondering what was next on the menu after gender and Russia. Smashing statues!

      • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:58 pm #

        Perhaps this will give us a brief reprieve before the next gender letter gets added to the string.

        • JimInFlorida August 18, 2017 at 3:51 pm #

          The next letter will be “P” for pedophile.

          After that will be “Z” for zoophile. By then, Straight White Males will be dejure Kulaks and it won’t be just a figure of speech.

          If God doesn’t destroy ZOG Amerika, then He will have to go on an Apology Tour through Hell and do restitution for all His victims in the Bible.

          • pequiste August 18, 2017 at 4:31 pm #

            Sorry Jim,

            The next letter to the LBGTQ… continuum is “N” for Necrophilia.

            Observe the death’s head in now ubiquitous tattoos, upcoming Halloween regalia, high fashion, and children’s clothes.

            Don’t even get me started on where and when the mass media have exhibited the skull and crossbones non-stop to all audiences.

            Yeah, as much as Bestiality wants some spotlight at the next Pride Parade; we will just have to leave it to the Yzlamik culture clan. Well, that and some good old fashioned Bacha Bazi. Plus the usual stabbings (Finland) and running over of people (this time in Barcelona) in Europe: Yzlamik over-exuberance and pre-eclipse celebrations.

            Death, and plenty of it- it’s what’s next.

          • SpeedyBB August 19, 2017 at 5:31 am #

            That would be more exciting than a Michael Jackson tour.

            No, not now, silly. Michael’s not in shape to go touring. Even through hell.

            I can think of a number of inspiring televangelists who could act as God’s sidemen on an infernal tour.

    • sophia August 18, 2017 at 12:55 pm #

      Wrong country, wrong decade. The pattern may be the same, but the details differ. In this you will endanger yourself, not knowing what the actual targets will be.

      • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 5:30 pm #

        Assuming you are replying to Finca’s comment above, the utopians are not very imaginative and are likely to fall back on the tried and trusted. The minorities (real and imagined) are out of bounds but religion is still fair game.

        • sophia August 20, 2017 at 12:27 am #

          I was responding to the idea that there will be persecution of 7th day adventists for worshiping on the sabbath. I don’t think anyone will care about that.

  11. FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 10:14 am #

    Trump strikes back: Wasserman Schultz’ IT aide indicted on four criminal counts

    The federal case against Imran Awan, a former IT aide for Democratic Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, expanded Thursday with an indictment on four counts including conspiracy and making false statements.

    He originally was charged with a single bank fraud count; his wife Hina Alvi also was indicted Thursday.

    foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/18/case-against-wasserman-schultz-ex-it-aide-expands-with-4-count-indic…

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 10:38 am #

      Schultz and Co. in the process of being thrown under the bus by the deranged HilliCrats for their sins in contributing to The One Who Would Be Queen’s embarrassing election loss. Not that she doesn’t deserve it anyway. Funny to look back now and see that just a few short years back she was being paraded as some sort of new age DC DemFemTard beauty queen. Now she resembles nothing so much as a hideous skank troll skulking underneath a bridge.

      • outsider August 18, 2017 at 11:34 am #

        DA,
        Wasserman-Schultz a beauty queen? What have you been smokin’?

        And will Sessions finally bring charges against Hillary before his boss is impeached?

        • DA August 18, 2017 at 11:47 am #

          LOL! That was how she was being “advertised” in all the political blogs/rags at the time. I never bought into the hype myself.

          I’m not sure Sessions hasn’t defected back to safer ground already. Hillary’s long been “too big to jail.” The bitch has friends in high places.

        • ozone August 18, 2017 at 3:56 pm #

          Ha! outsider,
          That possibility is filed under, “highly unlikely”. Sessions is too busy going after crimes of “moral failings” to prosecute any done in the pursuit of wealth and power. (As we’ve seen, such pursuits are technically “amoral”, so little Gen’l Beauregard Sessions will not be concerning himself with the Horrid Harridan, Hillary.)

          • outsider August 19, 2017 at 9:14 am #

            Sessions buckled when he recused himself in the Russia scam investigation. If he had held firm, maybe there would not be a special prosecutor today. Trump should have fired him then and got someone with backbone like Giuliani.

        • SpeedyBB August 19, 2017 at 5:34 am #

          Or before he is got rid of?

  12. marcus1 August 18, 2017 at 10:27 am #

    “I’d like to hear to hear an argument as to why the Washington Monument should remain dedicated to that vicious slave-driver and rebellious soldier, and indeed the name of the city that is the federal seat of government.”

    This is a joke, right? You’re like a funny guy, a clown here to amuse us? Well IMHO not funnyOr do the analytics say the racist demographic is the easy one to attract more views? Maybe you’ll be recommended and reposted by the daily stormer soon!

    Well I got news for you Jim, besides your absurd challenge above there will be no financial collapse you and the other anarchists and apocalyptic fools are prepping for. The US controls the world currency and that ain’t going to change suddenly or for a long time to come. We’ve got an ignorant and compliant peasant class that will keep footing the payments. Ah good old right wing Christian work ethic.

    So sorry Jim you’ll have to endure those aesthetically abhorrent suburbs ad infanadum.

    • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:10 am #

      I came here for the peak oil theory, and I stayed for the predictions and stayed for the White man’s angst.

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:32 am #

        Ditto. And the Ode to Boethius Janos.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:19 pm #

        And no doubt “uslabor” believes in unlimited immigration, legal and otherwise – until there is no US left at all.

        After all, things are what they are because they’re not something else. A Union means “not everyone”, a group with distinct boundaries indicated by a card and paid up dues. Otherwise it’s just fatuous, like a combustion engine without the enclosure that makes it controlled and able to do work.

  13. MrTibbs August 18, 2017 at 10:30 am #

    In the New Republic, members recognize the improper conversion of the representative class into the ruling class, through the effective use of gaslighting, and enjoy the process of amending the Constitution to correct the error.

    New Amendments: (Effective and executed immediately upon Amendments Convention ratification.)

    28. Term limits. Senators are limited to two (6) year terms. Representatives are limited to five (2) year terms.

    29. Lobbying exclusion. Excludes an individual from serving as a Senator or Representative, and once having served, LOBBYING IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.

    30. Balanced budget. No treasury expenditures shall be permitted without an approved balanced budget.

    (34) State Legislatures may amend the Constitution accordingly, peacefully, with manageable consequences.

    OR NOT, WITHOUT MANAGEABLE CONSEQUENCES.

    Y = career politicians x career lobbyists x globalist mainstream media x career unelected Deep State bureaucrats x Hollywood elites x unprosecuted corruption x globalist banking cartels x globalist technocrats

    “God integrates empirically.” -Albert Einstein.

    Y = old republic NETWORK globalism = THE SWAMP.

    Sent From the New Republic.

    In the New Republic, all good people in the arena enjoy resuming the restoration of the Constitutional republic from JFK’s point of interruption, can see for miles and miles, and enjoy Liberty in building out properties and the local means of production, with the capability to sow, nurture, grow, harvest, store, cook, engineer, design, program, automate, construct, process, raise, teach, counsel, hunt, defend, provide, debate, organize, compose, perform, worship, dance, laugh, love, celebrate, and sustain.
    We are the sheepdogs.
    And we are old fashioned and sentimental.
    And we don’t require others for border protection or building bridges.
    And we have undying love, devotion, and loyalty to the Constitution.
    And we belong to the longest serving Civil Rights organization in the Republic.
    And we are happy to participate in the proper pursuit and offering of due process under the Constitution to the NETWORK globalist class charlatans who sold out the old republic in their lust for power and the love of money.
    And we are ready for what’s next.
    Sent from the New Republic.

    -T
    They Call Me Mr. Tibbs
    youtube.com/watch?v=PnvmOY1NUGo

    • JimInFlorida August 18, 2017 at 4:11 pm #

      I have a better Amendment for you, Tibbs.

      ALL bills presented to Congress MUST be of a single subject. No combining of agendas. No cross referencing. ALL laws MUST be stand-alone statutes. Furthermore, there will be a moratorium on all new legislation until the existing body of law is untangled and separated into single-subject laws. Any conflicting laws are to be repealed.

      As for the Balanced Budget, that is impossible with a debt-usury based currency and doubly impossible if we want to maintain our hold on Global Currency Reserve status.

      ZOG Amerika is incapable of self-financing, thanks to deindustrialization. Self-financing via industrialization, self-sufficiency to the greatest extent possible, and a debt-free currency that capitalizes on value creation, import tariffs, and protected markets, is the only way to ever see a Balanced Budget.

      The only ones who will suffer (if done right) are the rentiers and the Top 1%.

      • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm #

        We used to have thirty five million laws trying to enforce 10 Commandments. Now that the denominations have made them “of none effect” we have chaos.

  14. seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 10:30 am #

    The story Trump is proffering now is actually a Nazi story that Germans used on Jews. The story first appeared shortly after 9/11. General Pershing historically is considered a “winning the hearts and minds of the people” kind of general, not a SunTzu type of general. And the Moros were fighting for their home, not for religion. So once again, Trump got just about everything wrong.

  15. thwack August 18, 2017 at 10:41 am #

    Black people know how to tear down and destroy things; but don’t know how to construct and create things.

    These clowns could not construct a statue; nor the building behind it:

    thezman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DHSA-r0VoAAb1gj.jpg

    they probably couldn’t produce a decent black person either.

    Just sayin

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 11:00 am #

      Sadly, what you say is true. The European Jews, who had been stripped of everything, their homes and wealth taken, their families killed, and themselves tortured and starved, got out of the camps in 1945. By 1948 they had built a country and won a war. That’s a mere 3 years later.

      The Japs died by the millions, had their cities burnt to the ground, and had been nuked twice. Being under an Emperor, they never had any voting rights until 1945. Yet, within a few years they rebuilt their country. By the 1950’s they were producing Godzilla movies. And car, and electronic devices.

      Same with the Germans, whose women formed work lines to knock the mortar off bricks from rubbled buildings.Within a few years, there country was functioning again.

      All of these, by 1965 were back to being modern functioning countries.

      While American blacks are still whining about slavery, which ended in 1865 in America. American blacks, who not only don’t build anything, but tend as a group to destroy any city they occupy in large numbers. Think Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, Chicongo, Oakland, etc. Who can’t even figure out how to get married and raise children in wedlock. Who drop out of school in large numbers and basically have no use for education. Who commit crimes way out of proportion to their numbers. Who have to be provideed for by society with food, housing, and medical care way out of proportion to their population.

      Sad, but true.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:24 am #

        There are Jews still getting reparation payments from Germany today. Last time I checked, American blacks can’t even get a license so they can open a casino in their ghetto. There was this little thing called The Marshall Plan that helped the Axis powers rebuild. Your self serving view of history is exactly the kind of white supremacy that needs to be obliterated.

        • outsider August 18, 2017 at 11:42 am #

          And Israel continues to receive billions each year courtesy of the hard pressed US taxpayers, while their country is now richer than ours. They have a pretty good scam going.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 11:44 am #

          The Marshall Plan helped hard working people RE-build their country. American Blacks don’t live in a destroyed country.

          American Blacks, get about $10,000 to $12,000 per year spent on each of their kids to get educated. Which money is usually a waste because there is no interest in education.

          American Blacks already have a society with roads, electricity, functioning hospitals and infra structure. American Blacks have access to free food, and free medical care, and telephones, and free birth control.

          So why pretend they need a Marshall Plan??? How would a Marshall Plan reduce the illegitimate birth rate?

          In fact, it was the Marshall Plan known as the “Great Society” that got the illegitimate black birth rate to kick off! Look at this chart:

          thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2010/10/18/out-of-wedlock-childbirth/

          You see, you are just making excuse for trashy and destructive behavior. Because you really don’t think Blacks could hack it in a society that didn’t treat them like little retarded children.

          Spend an hour listening to this, and educate yourself. The guy goes off topic to talk about how he grew up:

          youtube.com/watch?v=XQlj9EeiRYI

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:57 am #

            When slaves were freed what Marshall Plan helped them? These incredibly hard working and valuable black men suddenly became dead beat lazies without a lick of sense and deserving of abuse, segregation, lynching and other white party favors. Go back to your masturbatory history lesson and this time orgasm.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 12:17 pm #

            To Seawolf:

            When the slaves first got freed, they probably could have used a “Marshall Plan”, or 40 acres and a mule.

            But those blacks, didn’t have access to welfare. Sooo, they got their a$$e% to work. They got married, and raised their kids in 2 parent families, and even started their own universities.

            They continued to make progress economically up until the Liberal Democrats decided to buy their votes with welfare. Then, it all went to crap. Look at the chart I provided you.

            Plus, quit regurgitating liberal dribble and get a book called Please Stop Helping Us, by Jason Riley. Open your mind up, and start reading some other books by black conservatives. You know, those Uncle Toms who aren’t black enough.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:23 pm #

            Quit telling me to open my mind and get real. You sound like a Neil Young song.

          • thwack August 18, 2017 at 12:42 pm #

            (seawolf, watch this)

            Hey Squeaky Fromm,

            how much money would you need to be paid in order to be changed into a black person and live the rest of your life as one?

            You get to keep your personality, IQ, life experiences… you even get to choose height, weight, talents, singer, sports, law, medicine…

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:24 pm #

            Blacks got their Marshall Plan several times over in the form of Welfare. They are simply an inferior race, our great misfortune and burden. We must shrug them off if we would live.

        • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 12:54 pm #

          “There was this little thing called The Marshall Plan that helped the Axis powers rebuild. Your self serving view of history is exactly the kind of white supremacy that needs to be obliterated.”

          You understand that the Marshall plan was developed primarily to build bulwarks to stem the tide of Godless Commies into Europe? That it had other benefits was ancillary to that theme.

          And you don’t sound like the Wolfie that we know and love…what have you done with Wolfie?

      • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:43 am #

        In your rant you’ve missed out on some of the the finer points on how all those things happened like just how Israel became a nation, how the “Japs” rebuilt their country, and how the germans cleaned a few bricks and started all over again.

        But your hatred of Black Folks came through loud and clear.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 11:45 am #

          In other words, you don’t like what I said, but can’t really argue with the facts.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 12:30 pm #

            I can argue with you, but it ain’t worth it Go burn your cross, and take some “Japs” with you.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 4:04 pm #

            No you can’t. You don’t have any logical or sensible arguments. You have emotion and immaturity, but that doesn’t hold up too well against facts.

            Face it, you are heading to the hills, because you’re a faker. Like most Liberals. Liberals tend to have canned phrases ready to substitute for arguments. Institutionalized racism! Mass Incarceration! There are no illegal people! etc. etc. etc.

            But they seem unable to engage in substantive argumentation. Add to that plain old name calling. That is you, and that is why you and others like you, don’t make intelligent arguments, or rebuttals.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 5:57 pm #

            Sista Souljah who was invited to speak at the same convention.. Souljah in an interview about the Rodney King/ LA Uprisings that occurred earlier that year was quoted as saying ‘If Black people kill Black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?’.. her remarks were connected to a much longer response and in full context makes sense, but isolated subjected her to criticism.

            Souljah also had a song out called The Final Solution: Slavery’s back in Effect where she said ‘If there are any good white people, I haven’t met them’

        • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 12:57 pm #

          “But your hatred of Black Folks came through loud and clear.”

          Labor,
          Not hatred…rather contempt for their dysfunctional culture. All on this site would love to see Blacks become happy, productive, and civil citizens.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 1:45 pm #

            Amen! And thank you!

            The Liberals lead sheltered little two-dimensional fairy tale lives, where mean old white ogres and giants pick on poor little black princesses and tailors.

            In their little universe, blacks and homos and trannies can do no wrong. They are perpetual victims, and everything bad that happens to them is the fault of mean white Christian right winger Republicans.

            The very idea of presuming that black people have control over their reproductive functioning, and could start getting married, is an anathema to them. Merely saying bad things about them, whether true or not, busts that little fantasy bubble, and is therefore racisssst!!! (said with a hiss)

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:29 pm #

            Black dysfunction means money and power for those in the Agencies or Organs as Solzhenitsyn put it. They don’t want them to be any different than they are. And Conservatives get it wrong thinking that but for the Organs, Blacks would be just dark skinned White Conservatives. The Old South got it right, now only White Nationalists do.

    • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:17 am #

      Mmmmm, l love it when the racist’s come right out and show their stripes. This is the website to do it, no need to be shy, just come right out and say it.

      Thwack, you’re wrong, black folks do construct and create things, but you are too blinded by your bigotry to see it..

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 11:24 am #

        Funny how those people who call me a racist never really explain why what I say is “racist.”

        I guess it’s because it’s pretty hard to argue with the reality of a 72% illegitimate birth rate. Or over half the murders in the country when you’re only 12% of the population.

        But I bet if you are white, that you know which areas of town to stay out of, and if you have kids, I bet you don’t send them to a predominantly black inner city school.

        Because. Reality.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:48 am #

          Don’t have to explain why what you say is racist, it speaks for itself. You’re wrong, though, I ain’t white,

          I’m a “Jap”.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 12:03 pm #

            Gee, that’s even better! What did American Japs get in 1988 or so??? Oh yeah, $20,000 in reparations for being put in camps during World War II.

            But by that time, 43 years later, did most Japs really need the money?? NO. Because rather than sit around whining, they got their a$$e$ back to work and rebuilt their lives. They were due reparations IMO, but not having gotten it for years had not stopped them from getting on with life.

            Plus, those reparations actually went to the people who had suffered the injustice, not 5 or 6 generations down the road.

            They sure didn’t sit around whining about the Shogun or whatever in the 1850’s or whenever and wait for the reparations. No, they rebuilt.

            Blacks could take a lesson from the Japs. Who even the non-American ones transformed into a functioning modern power by 1904, (within 50 years or so) to where they could stomp the Russians in that war.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

        • wolfbay August 18, 2017 at 1:59 pm #

          The hypocrisy of liberal whites does bug me. When I was in elementary school in NYC 60 years ago there was one black student in the whole school. To this day manhattan public schools are some of the most segregated in the country. They need to house middle eastern refugees on Martha’s Vineyard and build section 8 housing on the upper east side and every gated community. Let’s get some real diversity going.

      • thwack August 18, 2017 at 12:44 pm #

        Thwack, you’re wrong, black folks do construct and create things,

        *************

        yeah, more niggers.

        I know cause Im one of em.

        • sophia August 18, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

          Depressed today?

          • thwack August 18, 2017 at 4:59 pm #

            yeah, I’ll be fine in the morning; but you’ll still be old, fat and ugly.

            just sayin

      • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 12:15 pm #

        THWACK, you were just effectively called a racist by way of bigotry! HAHAHA!!!

        Alright Mr, Kettle, let’s hear you throw down that ratchet-ass Pot!
        Let the Ghetto flow……..

  16. Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 10:48 am #

    I wrote this poem yesterday, in the spirit of Edgar Lee Masters. Sorry about that one word in the title, but I couldn’t pass up the pun!

    Here, You Lie
    A Poetic Conversation From A
    A Negro Cemetery
    From, The Coon River Anthology
    by Squeeky Fromm

    Dequarius Washington
    Whatever happened,
    It wasn’t me!
    It was that there statue
    Of Robert E. Lee!

    That there statute
    Made me draw,
    My Saturday Night
    On Johnny Law!

    De Shonte Jones
    Yeah, I heard that!
    Let’s keep it real!
    That there statute
    Made me “deal”!

    A Brother wanted
    His crack for free,
    Sooo, he shot me dead!
    Damn General Lee!

    Shaneeka Wilson
    T’was old Marse Robert
    That Rebel Baddie!
    Who made me have
    Six baby daddies!

    Then one of them,
    I took to court.
    Shot me dead,
    Over child support.

    Takonnawonda Jefferson
    It was General Lee
    Upon his horse,
    Who made me take
    Those drugs, of course.

    I overdosed
    At twenty-three.
    All because of
    General Lee.

    Twi-Neshia Jones
    Robert E. Lee
    Made me a ho.
    I used to sell
    My self for blow.

    One down-low dude
    With HIV.
    Now, I’m laid low,
    By Robert E. Lee.

    Demarianna White
    I died before
    My sixth birthday
    Drive-by bangers
    Blew me away.

    I never learned
    Any history.
    But I guess I’m dead
    ‘Cause of Robert E. Lee.

    Someone, in a Chariot
    Here, you lie. . .
    And here you’ll stay.
    Except for the Child,
    I’ll carry away.

    Here, you lie!
    It’s plain to see.
    Not blaming yourselves,
    But, Robert E. Lee.

    If ever one day
    The Truth you see.
    Then, you can come
    Away with me.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 10:57 am #

      “I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you.”

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 10:57 am #

      Here I lie, in my hospital bed
      Tell me Sister Morphine, when are you coming round again?
      Ohhh and I don’t think I can wait that long
      Oh you see, that I’m not that strong!
      “Sister Morphine”

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 11:01 am #

      Very nice Squeeky!

    • uslabor August 18, 2017 at 11:21 am #

      Squeeky,That pointy hat you’re wearing seems to get in the way of your creativity. Don’t quit your day job.

    • badberries August 18, 2017 at 1:27 pm #

      Squeeky!! I give you a “Double Plus Good”….put to music I think you might have something there!..run it by Charlie (the guy with the swastika on his forehead).

      Here’s from a grave on cemetery island….

      “Think of me as you pass by,
      as you are now, so once was I.

      As I am now you will be soon.
      make peace with all and prepare for doom.

      pretty cheery shit huh?

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 6:22 pm #

        Thank you, badberries!!! I am glad you liked it! There is such a dearth of good poetry nowadays, I just have to write my own,

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

    • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 6:01 pm #

      go, sister White Soldier. rap on.

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 6:32 pm #

        Thank you, malthuss!!! I am glad you liked it!

        I am working on a new one, and here is the rough draft:

        Institutionalized Racism???
        A Short Poem by Squeeky Fromm

        Meanwhile, over in the hood
        A couple of Negroes are up to no good.
        She’s making a baby.
        He’s going to run.
        But what the heck? They’re having fun!

        Nine months hence, in a little bed
        A poor black child will lay its head.
        His mother don’t want him,
        But what the heck?
        She’ll keep him for welfare check!

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

  17. Elrond Hubbard August 18, 2017 at 10:52 am #

    Q: How do you make a white supremacist cry?

    A: Tell him to go fuck himself.

    • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 11:36 am #

      Elrond,
      Noooo, you make him cry by sentencing him to a lifetime of hearing …”O Canada, My Canada”….

      Your tears will soon come….

  18. Walter B August 18, 2017 at 11:12 am #

    Tearing down statures fits right in with the tearing down of every single thing that is America. It is simply another logical step in the direction of Total Chaos, which happens to be the Final Destination. There is nothing being built in America anymore, heck we cannot even maintain the structures that we have nor the institutions either for that matter. And it is so appropriate that Cory Booker lead the charge against anything and everything. First the push to legalize weed not only in New Jersey, but in the whole country. Not to demean or even question the value of toking up, but as I have questioned before, is it really going to make things better, make the American public more involved by encouraging them to get stoned? Ah Cory, out of the ashes of Sharp James you rise to lead the effort to extend the joys and wonders of Newark, New Jersey to all the land. Yep, collapse is not only inevitable, but it had better hurry up and get here while there still is something of a system left to actually collapse.

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 11:20 am #

      As opposed to getting sloshed? Marijuana is a derisive term. The plant is called cannabis and it has numerous medicinal benefits. It will make the lives of millions of people better, people who are ill with glaucoma, epilepsy, cancer, MS and a host of other diseases. I challenge you to come up with any single thing with more obvious and provable benefits that we can do? I can. Make tobacco and alcohol illegal.

      • DA August 18, 2017 at 11:43 am #

        I have to agree. At the very least, cannabis is a much safer intoxicant than alcohol.

        But it’s all about the money now. If it can be successfully turned into a sufficiently lucrative corporate cash/ Fed tax revenue cow, it will be adopted. Trouble is, it’s in direct competition with the already established and tremendously lucrative Narco Police State and Prison Industrial Complex, so my guess is it won’t be widely legalized at the Federal level. Its current selectively enforced ambiguous legal state benefits everyone involved.

        • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 1:27 pm #

          You are correct, the cannot allow legalization to negatively affect the cash cow of Search & Seizure. My bet is that once again they will play both sides of the deal and leave the door open for the Feds and interstate LE to still jump out of the bushes and declare “Stand and Deliver” at state lines. There is far too much cash brought in to go full national even though the Man From Newark would love to see it happen.

      • beantownbill. August 18, 2017 at 11:48 am #

        All you guys are missing the point wrt drugs. We do not have to justify the legalization of pot. We have the right to put whatever we want into our bodies, so long as we do no harm to others. In that light, I’d institute very harsh penalties for operating under the influence of any drug because of the possibility of causing harm to others. When I had my recent hernia surgery, my doctor very sternly told me to not drive as long as I was taking pain medication.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 12:07 pm #

          Yeah, because when you put heroin into your bodies, your neighbors won’t be affected at all! Oh no, the addicts won’t steal your stuff, and break into your house, or commit crimes, or poop and tinkle in public.

          Oh no, drug addicts are regular upstanding members of society. Man, I think most libertarians are just dope fiends. Because you know, being stoned on a regular basis is going to work out sooo well in a modern technological society.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:10 pm #

            Better that than a prudish teetotaler of a Nazi.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 12:26 pm #

            To seawolf

            You know, you seem to call names a lot, but you really don’t seem able to present any cogent points in rebuttal.

            You should examine the reason why you are so bereft of good arguments, and have to resort to name calling and canards. Let me help you on your journey!

            First, you probably aren’t very smart. Second, you probably lack the mental capacity to think new thoughts. Third, you probably prefer virtue signalling to actually doing the hard work of examining issues.

            Fourth, you have probably been hanging around Liberal Democratic echo chambers so long, that you have become more of a cultist, then an independent thinker, As a result, you promulgate phraseology in lieu of argumentation. You seem to be like a Christian, who spouts off “blood of Christ!” “Holy Trinity!” and “Original Sin!”, yet can not rationally discuss the issues at hand.

            In fact, the whole “White Privilege” argument is nothing but a re-write of the Original Sin doctrine.

            Grow up, and feed your head.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:37 pm #

            The hurler of dope fiends is calling me a name caller. Sheesh.

          • beantownbill. August 18, 2017 at 1:57 pm #

            A lot of the problems with drugs comes about because their illegality drives up the price to ridiculous levels, forcing the worst of the users to commit crimes to pay for their addictions.

            Years ago, I had a techie roommate who got stoned every morning before going to work; he was very successful in his job.

            I don’t approve of ingesting drugs of any kind, but many people function reasonably well on drugs. I’ve known many drunks who were quite productive, and you’d never know they were drunks by looking at them.

            How many “normal” people are mentally diminished by being on prescription drugs?

            Sure, some asshole addicts shit and tinkle in places they shouldn’t, but it takes all kinds to make a society. If one of them did it on my lawn, I’d beat the crap outta them and they’d probably never do it again.

      • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 12:07 pm #

        You guys are missing my point, I could care less about what people do for sport, it is their business. I am in a situation in my community where no one cares about anything, no one does anything for the community, and less tan 10 people out of 4,100 do anything at all for the Township. If getting high is going to increase the number of people that get involved, who care, who DO something every once and a while, I’ll even buy them the weed myself!

        As far as generating more tax dollars for the politicians in Trenton, are any of you going to even TRY to tell me that handing a politician more money ever solved ANY problems? Need I say Transportation Trust Fund, or State Pension Fund, or Atlantic City Gambling Income?

        These are my points, nothing else.

      • PostPeakRancher August 18, 2017 at 1:29 pm #

        I agree with you on cannabis. And I think there’s a case to be made for outlawing tobacco. I don’t think you’d get major drug gangs slangin’ golden leaf, but there could be quite an uproar.. I disagree about banning alcohol. We tried it before and it was a disaster.

        Besides there is a great cultural and culinary history tied to the many wonderful alcoholic beverages. I think the problem with alcohol in the US is this perverse culture of binge drinking and getting totally wasted. That coupled with mass motoring creates unnecessary carnage and loss of life. Not to mention other health care issues related to excessive drinking and alcoholism. That culture is what needs to be fixed. Otherwise you would just turn booze into an underground, illicit drug that people continue to get smashed on and drive drunk.

        • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:38 pm #

          Actually Prohibition was a great success. The Teetotaler movement was allegedly Rockefeller funded to get rid of alcohol as an alternative fuel. The Model T has a switch that you could turn to burn gasoline or alcohol. The only way you could drive across the country was buying alcohol off farmers. When FDR repealed it, there was a gas station on every corner. As far as its success with alcohol prohibition, yes it was a disaster.

          • malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:22 am #

            cite sources, please.

          • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 12:22 pm #

            I’ve heard those stories before and they are legit.

            malthuss, you’ll have to do your homework on this. You may not be able to find the material on the internet because much of that information was around before WW2.

            It is also very true that the Kennedy mafia and the Rockefellers made marijuana, opium, and other natural narcotics illegal because they were cutting into their alcohol-based rackets.

    • beantownbill. August 18, 2017 at 11:54 am #

      Walter, taking down statues is an unsubtle metaphor for the tearing down of our society. No question that an attempt is being made to deconstruct our way of life, but that outcome is questionable. We’ll see. In the meantime, enjoy yourself; who knows how long we’ll be able to.

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:21 pm #

        It is absolutely not. You cannot wink wink nod nod when it comes to this stuff. No equivocation please. Slavery was an abomination. Period. Tearing down those statues gets us further away from slavery. Don’t tear them down, blow them up.

        • sophia August 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm #

          Are you naive or a fool?

          • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 7:05 pm #

            “Are you naive or a fool?”

            Wolfie is neither, but the Wolfie of 1 month ago would never post that which is being posted currently under his name. Are there others of the readership who have noticed this?

            What have you done with Wolfie?

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 7:30 pm #

            Elysium I am here. Glad to know you missed me.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 1:38 pm #

          Sure you can wink and nod at something that ended in 1865, in the U.S. Try it! Wink. Then, nod.

          Now, did anything happen when you did that? I am betting not. I am betting there was no effect at all on our country. Because that was over, a 150+ years ago. It’s pretty much irrelevant. Except to stupid virtue signalers.

          Plus, assume for a minute that you’re black. God grants you a wish, but it’s restricted to two choices:

          1. You can undo via a miracle your great great great great grandpappy and grandmother being sold as slaves from Africa to America;

          2. You can leave things as they are.

          Which would you choose? Which do you think most black Americans would choose?

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

            I don’t respond to false dichotomies. They are a simpleton’s attempt at cleverness and are usually specious and dull.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 2:00 pm #

            To seawolf:

            You don’t “respond” to anything. You just call names, smear people, and priss around like you know what you are talking about.

            But you apparently don’t have enough mental capacity to form and argument, and then support it. But that shouldn’t stop you from trying. Maybe you could become a debater! Like these guys, who you remind me a lot of, stylistically speaking:

            youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 2:05 pm #

            I priss around. Sounds fun.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm #

            I knew you liked to priss! Know something else you would be good at! I bet pant-hooting! I bet you’re a natural! You could go down there to where the rebel statue got knocked down, and pant-hoot, and wave some branches around.

            You would fit right in! But concentrate on that kind of stuff and leave the debating and arguing to the grown ups, OK??? Because trust me, you have no future there unless you maybe go to Towson and find whatever teacher the winners had, and beg him/her/it to take you on, kind of like Dr. Doolittle took on Mary Poppins in My Fair Lady.

            🙂

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

      • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 12:45 pm #

        Indeed it is. We are following the example set by ISIS or whatever it is they call themselves today. Destroy history. Remove everything that reminded the masses of what their forbearers went through to get here and replace it with a New World Order. Yes, concentrate their attention on the contents of their underpants or what new form of buzz can be had next, or a shiny new techno-bauble and they will forget how hard they are being screwed by the sellouts that pretend to “govern” them. It is all working well and the pace of success is quickening. Quickening, I’ve heard that phrase before. (In the end there can be only One)

        It seems a little bit ludicrous to me that a new uproar is being fomented over a system of abuse that was abolished over one hundred and fifty years ago and that at a great cost in human life. Of well, who gives a shit anyway? It is all about ME, the center of the universe and MY emotions, right? If we keep ourselves busy tearing shit down we won’t have to be bothered with building anything up now will we? Chaos, yeah, what a concept!

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 6:05 pm #

        Party Drugs.
        Bill, part of the problem is the thrill seekers or escapists go from the milder [drink and weed] to the wilder.

        However, since USA invaded Afghanistan, maybe young people
        start at the far end of the danger spectrum, with heroin.

    • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 12:22 pm #

      Irish writer Desmond Fennell sees the American (or ‘Ameropean’) project as the latest attempt to bring about Utopia. These all followed the Enlightenment, starting with the American Revolution (Pt 1 – Non-Europe) and followed by the French Revolution (rational metric system, Year 1 of the Revolution and the Cult of Reason, with prostitutes desecrating altars). Then came the National Socialist and the Soviet Communist attempts. All failures

      I read Platonov’s The Foundation Pit fairly recently. It is written in an odd, stylized way but the translator’s introduction explains that he was some kind of an agricultural inspector during Collectivization and that everything the book happened in some way in real life. The bit that caught my eye is where the translator says that the dreamlike (I think) quality of the writing is connected to the fact that the events of those years are scarcely believable.

      I wonder when JHK began to realize that the wind-down would be accompanied by insanity.

      • Sean Coleman August 18, 2017 at 12:36 pm #

        Fennell does not mention Mao’s China, I suppose because it was peripheral despite its size. It had its own share of craziness, what with the war on sparrows, made-up statistics and the Cultural Revolution.

        Or Cambodia. (Two years ago a Guardian editorial compared, in all seriousness, the late disc jockey Jimmy Savile with Pol Pot in terms of Pure Evil and aired the possibility of digging up his body (like Cromwell’s) as a vent for popular anger before conceding that maybe there might be a better way after all (at least I think it conceded it as it isn’t made clear).

      • thebelltolls August 19, 2017 at 11:06 am #

        Hi Sean. Long-time reader of Kunstler, though stopped reading regularly a few years ago. When I started back up last year I found myself always searching for your comments. I would love a reading list at some point, if you ever felt like sharing. Cheers.

        • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 3:28 pm #

          Thanks, assuming this is not a wind-up. My ideas have changed quite a lot just in the last two or three years but I have always been very sceptical of the progressive agenda as it came in while I was at school. What I write might be interesting (because I have come across some very interesting writers) but as to it being in any way wise forget it. Here’s a short list.

          Raymond Crotty: Ireland in Crisis (1986) and the posthumous When Histories Collide, which covers much the same ground. Self-taught farmer, economist and historian and international agricultural adviser. I think he was entirely original, which is almost scary. He is also the reason we get a chance in Ireland to have a referendum about constitutional issues (not that it has done us any good). An American reviewer of When Histories Collide described it as an original and exciting theory of civilization, which is about right.

          Desmond Fennell: The Postwestern Condition (short). Fennell spotted the changes very early. He visited Sweden and the USSR at the start of the 60s, when the bright young people of the former were drawing up their utopia. He has been living in Italy for years now but is surely still remembered with disgust by many.

          John Waters: yet another Irish writer. All of his books really, including The Intelligent. He was forced out of the opinion forming Irish Times following ‘Pantigate’ just before the Marriage Equality referendum a year or two ago. Lapsed Agnostic and Beyond Consolation are also excellent. This almost exhausts what is worth reading from Ireland but makes up for it in quality.

          Christopher Booker The Real Global Warming Disaster (c2009)

          C. Booker and Richard North: Scared To Death, an earlier book (2007?) about the main scares of recent years including AGW, asbestos, passive smoking, BSE, satanic abuse and lead in petrol. See the common characteristics. I haven’t finished reading it yet.

          C. Booker: The Neophiliacs (1969), this precocious work is available second hand only. Looks at the rise of the swinging sixties in London following the events. Probably of interest only in England and probably could not be understood by anyone under the age of, er, 59. A journalist and Jungian scholar he analyses it using a five-stage ‘fantasy cycle’, possibly of his own devising. This insight is stunning: the whole thing was (and still is) a giant fantasy.

          Peter Hitchens: The Abolition of Britain. I don’t think it is possible to understand what happened in Britain without this superb account by the Hated Peter Hitchens, as he is officially known. It was only second time reading it that it hit me. This often happens with the best books. I think it is a masterpiece but he just concedes that it is ‘quite good’. The War We Never Fought about the phoney war on drugs is excellent too, as are all of them, but they might be too Anglocentric for an American reader. His website is Required Reading for anyone on this side of the Atlantic but I don’t know what an American would make of it.

          Dorothy Rowe: Beyond Fear and a few others. Australian psychologist with, it seems, conventional progressive views. I haven’t fully read any of her books but they are most valuable for her insights about introverts and extraverts (her spelling, and Jung’s translator), the most important being that every couple consists of one of either. I read this ten years ago and more and have become blasé about the fact that it is true. Either me and her are deluded or everyone else is. As Homer Simpson would say, what could possibly go wrong?

          Richard Webster: The Secret of Bryn Estyn (c2003?) about the witch hunt in the North Wales children’s home of that name. Old-fashioned (looks at facts) English (naturally sceptical) journalist. This long book takes the whole story apart, from the social worker’s initial complaints (without wising to be libellous let’s just say that they were increasingly far-fetched) through the whole deranged ramifications. It didn’t do much good to poor Inspector Anglesea though as he was locked up a few months ago and died behind bars. His Sceptical Essays website is Required Reading. Someone is doing a public service by keeping him going. Webster describes the odd phenomenon in which people lose their reason in witch hunts better than anyone. If he can see it then why can’t others? He comes to the same conclusion, it seems, that Booker does about our collective understanding being a mass fantasy, in which the media play the main role. (His online two-part The Flat Earth News article is Required Reading.) After reading Webster I decided to keep an eye out for the next big abuse witch hunt. It never occurred to me to look at the Jimmy Savile case. Why? The mind works in mysterious ways. (Interestingly Booker doesn’t seem to have cottoned on that the Savile story is bunk, obviously a witch hunt that is too big to fail.)

          For Ireland the required website is Rory Connor’s Irish Salem. Any ordinary man who somehow saw what few others did, did some research and proved it. I learnt the other day he is writing a book which I will definitely buy, if he can get it published. The Irish re-writing of history in the last decade or two is extraordinary. I like his account of how the Reynolds govt was brought down about twenty years ago following public hysteria about Opus Dei (not joking).

          Pio Moa Rodriguez: Los Mitos Della Guerra Civil and Los Mitos Del Franquimo. Nobody will translate them into English, or any language. A frontal assault on conventional progressive history which appears to be, at least as far as Spain is concerned, pure, er what’s the word again?

          Karl Polanyi: The Great Transformation.

          Milan Kundera: Le Rideau (I am sure there is an English translation). Short book based on a series of lectures about what the novel is. It was after I’d read this for the second or third time that I read Don Quixote.. Peter Motte’s 17C translation is superb (it was used in the cheap paperback I bought to help me understand the Icelandic translation), conveying well his comical delusions. (“They looked at the knight in astonishment…”)

          This just gives you the books that you might not have heard of. There are plenty of others but they would not be as important as regards what I now consider to be important. Actually one of them would be Polanyi: I don’t know why I included him above. Most of what I read is in foreign languages which I am battling (not very wholeheartedly) as an obsession although you do learn a few odd things. For example, two of the funniest books I have ever read (So Suess War Suleyken by Lenz and Grass’s Der Blechtrommel) were written by Germans and by men you would never think had a sense of humour. (Maybe they are not meant to be amusing?)

        • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 3:34 pm #

          I missed out The Science Delusion by Rupert Sheldrake (I was so pleased he mentioned Dunn’s classic An Experiment With Time). And sticking with science, William Bates’ classic about vision and glasses.

  19. beantownbill. August 18, 2017 at 12:04 pm #

    Yes, the forthcoming solar eclipse is a metaphor for the eclipsing of the existing American culture. But using the eclipse as a metaphor diminishes the beauty, power and awe of the event. Whatever time we have left in this life ought to be spent, at least in part,, in experiencing the ultimate glory of the cosmos. To not contemplate and appreciate the infinitude of the universe is a misuse of one’s life.

  20. mow August 18, 2017 at 12:07 pm #

    ” Where they burn books , they will also ultimately burn people. “

  21. marcus1 August 18, 2017 at 12:09 pm #

    Another chicken-little dissembler. Most all of these statues were installed during Jim Crow era after the Supreme Court overturned the Civil Rights act, aka legalized racism, so the Confederates could get pay some pay-back for their loss.

    The Confederates couldn’t own or trade humans anymore but at least they didn’t have to associate with them and keep them uneducated and use as cheap labor. Let’s call them what they were–traitors–to the Founders and principles under which the country was organized. Jim Crow was a mistake and the statues honoring traitors and racism was a mistake. Besides, from a strictly military view General Lee
    was a terrible leader that made fatal strategic and tactical errors that accelerated the loss for the Confederates. Lee would not want a statue in his “honor” and expressed these sentiments himself.

    We’re trying to keep together a diverse society with laws applied equally to all. Tearing down concrete and bronze images installed in honor of traitors bent on racism and slavery is an improvement.

    You want a exclusive society of racists? Go form your own country. I think land in Africa is still cheap.

    • marcus1 August 18, 2017 at 12:11 pm #

      This is for Walter B’s above dissembling.

      • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm #

        So kind of you Marcus Aurelius for lashing out with your rapier like wit and assault with such a death blow as “dissembling”. How you progressives think that name-calling can somehow result in some kind of demented victory is beyond me. Tear it down baby, it is far less work than building it up!

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:19 pm #

      Well said. You don’t build monuments to traitors. I am from the south. I know how the Civil War history was taught. A kind of “Gone with the Wind” meets “The Way We Were.” Slavery is straight out of the Unholy Bible, and as such represents man’s everlasting and unrequited desire to be God. I bet you a dollar to a donut that all the racists here are Christians. They go together like peas and carrots.

      • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 12:57 pm #

        “I bet you a dollar to a donut that all the racists here are Christians. They go together like peas and carrots.”

        There it is! Why don’t you say it the way you mean it?

        huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-christian-terrorist_us_59945430e4b0a88ac1bc38a8

        • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 2:04 pm #

          That was a very racist statement yourself my friend for just because a person calls themselves “Christian” does not mean that they actually are. Just because someone calls another a racist, it does not mean that they are either. I understand that casting aspersions is the new national pastime but playing that game does not make baseless accusations the Truth. I really wish that we humans would try much harder to stop the insult hurling word games and concentrate on enacting solutions to problems rather than exacerbating problems that may or may not really exist.

          • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 2:25 pm #

            I hear you B man. But you have to go to the root of the problem, and fundamentally slavery was the work of the Vatican and the Jesuits. Lincoln himself said this himself; the Civil War was Vatican based. Remember the plantation owner in “Twelve Years a Slave” reading passages from the Bible to the slaves. Only white popes. Ever take a look at the College of Cardinals? Bunch of old white guys mostly. Money is not the root of all evil. Religion is. Especially the wholly Roman Catholic Church.

          • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 3:11 pm #

            As far as the Church of Rome is concerned, it is the only entity that sits on many waters as well as seven hills so for my money, She is the Great Harlot, the Wore of Babylon and deception is her way. No to degrade those who believe in her, but in the institution itself. You watch, time will tell and soon too I would think.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:45 pm #

            Classic American Catholic hate, here. Ex Baptist recalling his lesson and Current Baptist reciting his beliefs.

          • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 6:48 pm #

            No JS no hate and certainly not Catholics. My disappointment is in the institution. It has been written that while He had infinite patience for individuals, Jesus had little patience for institutions. All works of man are flawed. This is the point.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:07 pm #

            You just said she was the great harlot. If you don’t remember, just scroll up!

            Btw, you’re not completely wrong. In the Third Secret of Fatima, which was supposed to be revealed in 1960, the Virgin Mary predicted the Church would become the abode of the Anti-Christ because of a Bad Council (Vatican Two), a Bad Mass (the Novus Ordo) and Impurity (Homosexuality). That the Fish would rot from the Head. Needless to say, the Popes disobeyed Her Command and never released the secret. They preferred their big, globalist plans and didn’t want to offend the increasingly powerful Gay Cult either.

    • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 6:08 pm #

      keep them uneducated

      That is farcical, in light of present day facts.
      Most YBMs drop outta school.
      No surprise. People with IQs of 80-85 do that.

    • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 7:15 pm #

      “We’re trying to keep together a diverse society with laws applied equally to all. Tearing down concrete and bronze images installed in honor of traitors bent on racism and slavery is an improvement”

      Marcus,
      It is entirely superficial, and virtue-signaling at it’s worst. The vast majority of those demanding that statues be removed did not know who the statues represented, nor why they should even be concerned, before some Marxist asshole whispered their spin into ignorant, impressionable ears.

      It is an outrage.

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 8:48 pm #

        It is an outrage. Or it is the beginning of the end.

        • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 11:53 pm #

          Malthuss,
          The Marxists will keep pushing the envelope until there is push-back…we are currently in that stage where push-back begins….

  22. volodya August 18, 2017 at 12:10 pm #

    Given that the Republicans nominated Trump we can say that their party has one last swirl before the drain-pipe.

    That Democrats are all about maintaining Oligarch (that is to say White) privilege while loudly proclaiming the opposite ought to be obvious even to the thickest head.

    It isn’t astounding that Democrats managed to con Black Democrats into contributing to the Oligarch cause. After all, White Democrats sold out White fly-over America for the benefit of Oligarch wealth. So did White Republicans. Black Democrats are doing the same thing: they’re selling out their own.

    All this bullshit about Confederate statues is only because the hoo-haw about bathrooms ran its course and they need a new smokescreen. So for now it’s statues. Can’t wait to see what’s next.

    But Democrats are like the Republicans: just one more failed arrangement on history’s scrap-heap.

    • PostPeakRancher August 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm #

      Right on!

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 8:53 pm #

        so the Republican party is finished?

    • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 8:55 pm #

      White privilege is another way of noting, ‘Black Failure’.

      • volodya August 19, 2017 at 9:20 am #

        Almost all American oligarchs are white. That Democrats are a party of and for Oligarchs.

        The upper crust of American society, that is the clerisy enabling the Oligarchs, are the college educated, a large proportion of which are college educated women. Hillary spoke to college educated women. Democrats are sure as hell not a party of and for Blacks. And especially not for Black women.

        As far as Black failure goes, yeah, there’s no sugar coating it, Black society is a mess. The hell of it is that lower class Whites are following Blacks down that same drain-pipe.

  23. GhostOfHam August 18, 2017 at 12:23 pm #

    Sooooo…… what ever is coming, it is bound to be Monumental.

  24. outsider August 18, 2017 at 12:35 pm #

    On another site, the question was asked: “Who is winning, the Alt-Left or the Alt Right.”

    I answered, the Alt-Left (better known as Antifa – the vast majority of whom are white). As Charlottesville showed, there is no way that the Alt Right will ever get a fair hearing in the mainstream press. From what I’ve read, the Alt Right, which had a permit, was engaged in peaceful protest until they were attacked by Antifa, which did not. They had bags of urine and feces thrown at them, and were sprayed with pepper spray. All the while, the many police assigned there had been told (by someone) to stand down and let the riot happen. If the police had done their job, perhaps that unfortunate young woman would be alive today. You won’t read any of that in the mainstream press.

    All the politicians (save Trump and a few others), plus all of the political shows (Carlson and Hannity are rare exceptions), are in bed with those who want to destroy the USA. Most white politicians, wearing their ridiculous American flag pins, are too stupid to even realize they are siding with those who will execute them if given the chance.

    So, ultimately the Alt Right will be defeated, and with it the USA, the last hope of the White Race in the West. After Trump is impeached, at least by standing up to the press and refusing their catcalls to throw the whites at Charlottesville under the bus; and by condemning those true racists who are destroying our heritage and tearing down all the fine statues dedicated to dead white men, I say the following: This has been Trump’s Finest Hour!

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 12:38 pm #

      The middle always wins. The right and left are there for entertainment.

    • outsider August 18, 2017 at 3:27 pm #

      Addendum:

      Trump’s short lived Finest Hour is now officially over. Bannon is out and with him goes Trump’s connection to the Alt Right No doubt new Chief of Staff General Kelly told Trump to axe him. Trump has been “cucked.” The neocons win again.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 5:48 pm #

      Hannity has been utterly vicious against the protestors, not even bothering to distinguish the “good” ones from the Nazis as Mr Trump did.

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 6:10 pm #

        Classic American Catholic hate, here. Ex Baptist recalling his lesson and Current Baptist reciting his beliefs.

        Can you explain????

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:12 pm #

          I don’t know too much about the whys and wherefores, but Baptists have clung on to the old Protestant hatred of Catholics more than any other sect. Maybe because they’re the most rural and traditional? Not all of them of course, certainly not the division Jimmy Carter belongs to.

          Interestingly enough, the Seventh Day Adventists as well. They’ve reprinted some old books of Slander – some of this stuff goes right back to the master Smear Artists of Henry the 8th and those who came after.

          • outsider August 19, 2017 at 9:31 am #

            Janos,
            I didn’t know that about Hannity as I don’t watch him and cannot stand him. He was always a war-first Neocon, but jumped on the Trump train when he saw that Trump would win the nomination. Carlson, on the other hand, seems to be a true anti-war traditional conservative. That’s why I think the Murdoch boys would like to get rid of him, but maybe his ratings are too high.

          • sophia August 20, 2017 at 12:58 am #

            An excellent case is made that the Catholic Church is the whore of the scripture.

  25. DurangoKid August 18, 2017 at 12:53 pm #

    We give children symbols to manipulate as a rehearsal for adult life. They get a steady diet of toys and fables presumably to teach them about how real life should work. At some point in the process of maturation, young people should abandon symbols for the real thing. Recently it seems the real thing is scary enough to cause adult people to revert to an infantile obsession with symbols. Economies are explained in terms of money or credit. Contentment is the accumulation of plastic artifacts imported by the container load from low wage manufacturing havens. One can feel powerful by pushing your toe against the accelerator pedal of a V-8 powered transportation appliance. All of this is constructed on the notion that if you can finance it, you’re entitled to it.

    Now if life isn’t going your way it must be the fault of some symbol. Therefore, the only way to reverse the trend is to attack the offending symbol. What you’re left with is a symbolic victory. EROEI continues to slide and along with it the physical economy of things and the movement of things. The great god of growth has feet of clay but we’re not having it. The only obvious recourse is to throw a temper tantrum and give that lump of bronze the thrashing it deserves. It has the added bonus of simultaneously defeating that other group of people who worship that symbol. Except that it doesn’t.

    The human brain is a pattern seeking/pattern generating organic neural processor. It observes its environment and then creates a mental map of what it observes. It’s constantly projecting that map as it looks for food to stuff down its assigned gullet and locate a complimentary set of genitals with which to make copies of itself. The system works pretty good so long as there’s a balance between available resources and its reproductive capacity. But along comes exosomatic energy and that mental map evolves to expect an enormous reproductive subsidy. The evolutionary process has taken a couple of centuries. By geological standards a blink of an eye. In fact it has been almost too rapid for human brains to assimilate. We’ve had to invent a pantheon of new symbols just to cope. However, the ride up does not resemble the ride down. We’re confronted with Seneca’s Cliff armed with a map that only goes up. What we need is exactly what we don’t have, namely, a couple of centuries or so to adapt to the new environment. The emergency requires immediate action, so we must act. Obviously, the fault lies in bad symbols or the people who brandish them.

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:45 pm #

      Man that’s deep.

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 2:43 pm #

      Great post! I trust you have perused Man and His Symbols by Jung. If not, they are cheap on Abebooks.

      IMHO, we are also seeing a pandemic of puer aeternus, where the desire for the fantasy has temporarily over ridden the usual fear of commitment. Aging hippies, and their younger proteges are bound and determined to live in that fantasy world where they can paly the Great White Savior to the poor dark skinned folks, sitting in darkness.

      That, or Munchausens Syndrome by Proxy has crossed the psychic barrier into being a communicable disease.

      Either diagnoses will work.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • ozone August 18, 2017 at 6:58 pm #

        Holt on thar and work on releasing that massive twist in yer knickers, Sqeakertoy, I ain’t one of those out to be any-fucking-body’s savior (especially not yours). But it appears you’ve damned yourself with your own critique as you pant and rail about the need for some kind of Savior to saviorize the essential and exceptional whaat race of Whytopia. Please continue after unbinding that twist however, the spittle-spraying in service of genocidal desires/fantasies is truly amusing. Do not worry, if the Oligarchs get their way, most of us untermenschen will be tearing out each other’s throats – for a goodly number of “reasons” (aside from the real ones) – in short order. Sound like fun? Fine then; relax while ye may, you’ll git yer blud feud and git it gud.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:14 pm #

          We’re the ones who have been selected for genocide, you idiot. Which side is the Government and Media supporting: Traditional Whites or the Multicultural Left?

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 3:42 pm #

      Nice!

  26. robert magill August 18, 2017 at 1:02 pm #

    Gonna take a great long rope to reach the top of City Hall in Philadelphia to topple dear old Ben Franklin slave holder. Get crackin’ guys.

  27. thwack August 18, 2017 at 1:08 pm #

    Black people need to ask themselves: “did the Union fight the Civil War to end slavery?

    or end racism?”

    Because if it was just a war to end slavery, For the price of the Civil war, the Federals could have bought every slave in the South and spared the massive destruction and loss of life…?

    Just sayin

    • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

      Neither.

    • outsider August 18, 2017 at 2:32 pm #

      What a joke to think that the North was fighting to end slavery. Back then whites were much more prejudiced than today. Even Lincoln had said they were inferior. If the Northern troops were told that they were fighting to free black slaves, they would have all deserted and gone home, taking their rifles with them.

      • thwack August 18, 2017 at 4:48 pm #

        OK,

        the both of you are making my point; how come the statue of Robert E. Lee is being conflated with slavery?

        I want both of you guys to go walk around for a day saying the civil war was NOT about slavery.

        Let me know what happens

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 6:47 pm #

          How come? So it can be torn down by the race hustlers.

        • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 8:11 pm #

          Ok, could the Feds have bought every slave and ended racism?

          I’m saying neither of your proposals is accurate, in the main. They did neither because neither of your proposals was the goal.

  28. tucsonspur August 18, 2017 at 1:09 pm #

    Last year a middle school teacher in Berkeley punches a “neo Nazi” during a protest and claims standing up to fascism isn’t a crime.

    Violence from the Left throughout the campaign.

    Anti Trump campaigner shoots Republican neighbor twice in the head.

    Ben Carson’s home is vandalized with anti Trump graffiti.

    An 18 year old student who went to Charlottesville is forced to leave Boston University because of death threats.

    Right wing speakers are not allowed first amendment rights all across the nation, the latest being Richard Spencer denied free speech at Michigan State U.

    Black state senator Maria Chappelle Nadal says that she hopes for Trump’s assassination.

    And of course we’ve had Kathy Griffin’s decapitation Of Trump, his staged killing in Central Park, de Niro wanting to punch him in the face, Madonna thinking of blowing up the White House, Depp speaking of an actor assassinating the President, and on and on.

    A dark wind is rising and blowing across the nation. The nation is cracking like a parched desert landscape. Big changes seem to be much more imminent, bottled up changes, seeking release.
    The list of monuments to be removed is growing exponentially.

    Last night, Tucker Carlson suggested that according to the logic of the Left, even the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution themselves could become targets for removal.

    A dark wind indeed. The history and the very foundation of our nation is under siege.
    And that begs the question; shouldn’t we fight to preserve it, as we did once before?

    • outsider August 18, 2017 at 2:49 pm #

      Tucson,
      Tucker’s show is the only one I watch. Unlike the rest of them at FOX he is anti-war, and has had Stephen Cohen and Tulsi Gabbard on his show several times. He’s had neocons like Ralph Peters and Max Boot as guests, and made mincemeat out of them. He’s repeatedly said that this Russian election hacking hysteria is all bullshit.

      On Wednesday night he even came to the defense of the Daily Stormer, whose site was shut down by the Thought Police. I hope he’s not fired by Murdoch’s squshy sons (they dumped O’Reilly in a hot minute). Even though Tucker made a strong defense of Daily Stormer based on First Amendment principles, they might still think that’s a bridge too far.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 6:51 pm #

      The danger has always been from the Left. The Right is far too divided – the Christians most of all. But the Left! It’s a machine. Yet people like Doc Tom persist in fantasies about the Fascist Right taking over even as the Left IS taking over. Of course the Left is just the Deep State, thus Republicans like Lindsay Graham and McAmnesty are fine with it.

    • ozone August 18, 2017 at 7:07 pm #

      tusconspur,
      Are you wishing for this death-match to happen?

      • tucsonspur August 19, 2017 at 1:22 am #

        I’d rather a chess match. Good question, because I seem to want to dance around it.

        Could I wish for such mayhem, could anyone? I have to say yes.

        I don’t like the unsettledness of things, the infernal, on going tensions, the lingering doubt about the outcome of things.

        Sometimes things reach a point where there is no alternative. The decision is first made “outside” of one’s self, the hand is forced. Then the answer is an easy yes.

        Right now? It’s kind of the opposite. It’s not an easy no, but a no nonetheless. Right now.

  29. seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:09 pm #

    Monuments are not about history, they’re about hatred. That’s why they go up, that’s why they come down.

    • tucsonspur August 18, 2017 at 1:27 pm #

      Like the Statue of Liberty?

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:34 pm #

        Ah yes the Whore of Babylon in New York City Harbor. Saint John of Patmos needed to see it right? Oh shit I’ve got a “Back to the Future” headache.

        • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 2:32 pm #

          Actually we call her the Whore of the Harbor. “Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses”. Yes, give her your shit so she can make a shit sandwich and all of us can now take a giant bite and swallow hard as the nation of builders which has become a tribe of dissenters, destroyers, dismemberer’s can now feed upon itself and rot and die. It is destiny, embrace it and hold the Whore of the Harbor close as the sea level of anger, discord and chaos envelopes Her brothel.

          • outsider August 18, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

            Here’s a few interesting tidbits of Emma Lazarus’ homage to Open Borders: “The New Colossus.”

            1886 – The Statue of Liberty was unveiled.

            1903 – Lazurus’ poem was placed on a bronze plaque INSIDE the statue. (So how many really saw it?)

            1945 – The plaque was moved from the interior of the statue to its main entrance. (Those were heady times right after we won the Big One.)

            Given that the plaque did not come with the statue, I say that, while statues of dead white men are being removed and destroyed, its high time to take a blow torch to that horrid poem that has done much damage to this country.

  30. badberries August 18, 2017 at 1:15 pm #

    What I’m wondering is when do we get to start burning the books??

    I just finished re-reading Mr. Kunstlers fine tome “The Long Emergency”…it’s going on the fire right after “1984”..I have a lot of books so you’re all welcome to come over for S’mores..it could take months…could somebody please bring a Gutenberg Bible for kindling?

    I have an un-authorized 1st Ed. printing of “Mein Kampf”…by some guy with a ridiculous mustache… burn it? or continue using it in the outhouse?

    • libertysghost August 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

      My thoughts too.

    • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

      Are those who burn books actually capable of reading them in the first place?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm #

      That one stays – it will be the new Bible for the Next Civilization.

  31. PostPeakRancher August 18, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

    As a white male born in the state of North Carolina to a family that has roots reaching back to and beyond the Civil War, I could give a damn if they keep the monuments up or not.

    I can’t stand the argument that taking them down is “erasing history”. No one on that side of the argument is talking about erasing history. They don’t want certain elements celebrated while ignoring the historical context. The monuments celebrate historical confederate persons in a very narrow sense. If anything, the nation as a whole has failed miserably to teach the vast majority of later generations the actual history of the civil war and its causes.

    As with most things concerning the confederacy and its history here in the south, very critical aspects are ignored while others are celebrated. The most obvious example being “state’s rights”. They ignore what rights the states were defending, namely the right to hold persons as property. The state’s right to defend and protect the institution of slavery. This along with other rights to address grievances (not enforcing the fugitive slave act, etc) with the union were clearly laid out in the “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union” (avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp) and every other confederate state’s articles of confederation.

    So tear the monuments down, keep them up, I don’t really care…it won’t really make a difference. Maybe if we kept them up and added new plaques underneath that clearly explained what these men fought for…and provided further reading…maybe that would be a better solution. I can imagine quite an uproar from the neo-confed corners of society if we dared to attempt something like that.

    • libertysghost August 18, 2017 at 1:42 pm #

      But since we are talking about all the causes, the south was to be chattel to the northern textile mill owners and banks and the war was in part a reaction to many economic forces at play in that regard.

      My point isn’t to totally disregard your points either. And Lincoln gave a flying FU(% about blacks or slaves as well. College students “in the north” have no idea that was the case…I know this from experience in grading research papers claiming such idiotic things as “Lincoln and (Frederick) Douglass shared a lifelong passion for ending slavery” when of course the only records of Lincoln saying anything about ending slavery only come roughly two years prior to the end of the war when it became politically useful to claim so. Prior, and instead, we have Lincoln saying such things as (and I paraphrase) “I would prefer to not free one slave if I can maintain the Union in the process” (from his Peoria speech).

      But I digress. “Commemorations” do matter when it comes to a “national identity” if one thinks having a national identity is preferable to the competing alternatives of the time. And many times they are…many times they aren’t…depending on the context of the “nation” one is in and the interests behind the promotion of either and all of the competing identities.

      So to just say that these removals don’t matter and anyone who thinks they do is ignoring the “context”, neglects the very important context of the reasons behind their removal and the people/groups/interests financing and organizing the campaigns to do so. They and their motives are not pure. You need only look at what chaos they have manifested over the last few decades to have that context.

      And aside…you can state the “Articles” and other official “southern” statements prior to the Civil War as “context” noting the importance the writers put on the slavery issue…and you aren’t wrong to do so.
      But how many actual southern soldiers owned any slaves? Hardly any as a slave wasn’t cheap either to buy or keep. Was owning slaves their motivation? Maybe/kinds? Were they afraid the free slaves would steal their jobs or drive down their earnings through competition? Where they being manipulated by TPTB to die for a cause that really wasn’t in their interest? Very likely.

      But Lincoln and his bedfellows used the slaves to have a war to centralize power. Are they any better than their competition in the South in that context? Northern power-brokers weren’t putting others out there to die to save any black people…you know that. But they “won” so memorializing them is “fair” or should we first make sure a certain % of the population understands the entire context for all of this prior to replacing any of these fallen statues with new idols?

      The history isn’t just the history of the people that became statues. It’s the history of why this particular nation chose to give them their memorials and how that “fight” also became something we pretend to be proud of…fighting whether we are wrong or right. So it’s tough to square it all when you see so many “wars” going on literally and culturally in this nation based on bad context, poor historical representations and bogus claims of “moral authority” or “righteousness”. Wouldn’t you agree?

      I worry that this the “war” that is this whole issue…the “culture war” being played out…will be a huge loss for those in general if the statue haters win and become even more emboldened with their authoritarian views and narrow opinions of “virtue”.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 6:55 pm #

      They are symbols of the White Race, its Culture, and the Nation they built. Tearing them down is symbolic of the tearing down of all these three. It is a recognized stage of genocide. Thus I’d advise you to rethink your position.

  32. messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm #

    “Because Washington was part of the Federal Government, Confederates were not.”

    I want to change my question a bit. It is not rhetorical.

    How am I obligated to a government I have no part in?

  33. tucsonspur August 18, 2017 at 1:24 pm #

    And now Bannon is out as chief strategist. People are growing weary of the chaos. Blood in the water again and the sharks are ravenous.

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 1:32 pm #

      He’ll be remembered fondly as our Jim Crow. Oh wait there was no Jim Crow. Now I’m confused.

      • Bruce E August 18, 2017 at 2:37 pm #

        I saw a clever reference, “Cardinal Richelieu in cargo pants.”

  34. messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 1:37 pm #

    “The Founding Fathers are not next. Yes they were slave owners. Yes they didn’t address it then when they should have. But remember they were battling the British Empire at the time, and in many ways still are. I give them a pass.”

    The Confederates were battling Empire, we still are.

    • messianicdruid August 18, 2017 at 2:15 pm #

      Sorry, I shouldn’t have said “we”. Some of you serve it, gleefully.

  35. Bruce E August 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

    When does the lack of an elevated debt ceiling start to make things interesting? Can a 25th Amendment move be completed before the debt ceiling needs to be raised, or do they need to get Trump to sign a higher ceiling before they can 25 him?

  36. Beryl of Oyl August 18, 2017 at 1:57 pm #

    How to tell if you’re in a mass hysteria bubble
    blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

  37. Pucker August 18, 2017 at 2:20 pm #

    The Clinton Foundation….

    “The scandal surrounding former DNC Chair and current Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) and her former computer tech intensified when Imran Awan was indicted on four counts Thursday.

    Conservatives and Republicans have been following the case closely and speculated on the odd details so far known.

    Amran was arrested by the FBI and Capitol Police as he tried to flee the country via a flight at Dulles International Airport. Thursday he was indicted on four counts including bank fraud, and giving a false statement to authorities.

    His wife, Hina Alvi, was also included in the indictment. Awan was at the center of a criminal probe over breaches of security at the House of Representatives. Even though news of his allegedly illegal acts had been publicized months before his arrest, Schultz only fired him after he was caught, fueling speculation that there was more to the story.

    Some members of the Democratic National Committee have distanced themselves from Wasserman Schultz. Progressive DNC member Nikki Barnes was especially outspoken in her criticism of the former DNC chair.

    “This adds to Debbie being rebranded as the Democrats’ disastrous destruction,” Barnes said. “Those of us on the DNC know we have to rebrand ourselves and earn the people’s trust. And unfortunately Debbie’s name does not scream trust.”

    “It screams power,” she continued. “It screams limited access. It screams WikiLeaks now. DNC lawsuit. It screams a lot of negative things to the public. That’s not how we want to rebrand ourselves.”

  38. capt spaulding August 18, 2017 at 2:29 pm #

    This website has devolved from a place where people who read books can get together and exchange ideas, to a place where neo nazis control the dialogue through their offensive posts. It might just as well be an offshoot of the daily stormer. These people have controlled the direction of discussion to the point where the only subject on here has to do with fascism. In other words, they have accomplished their goal of pushing this shit in your face, and making it the focus of this website. All that happens when you discuss these subjects with the right wing pricks who have congregated here since the election of “The Donald”, has given some form of credibility to their arguments in favor of Fascism. They need to be treated like any other internet Trolls, and not responded to. Any response given to them only furthers their goals of making this shit acceptable for public discussion. It is difficult to resist the impulse to respond to their statements, but that’s what needs to happen, unless JHK (Who owns this website) decides to exercise control over what is going on here, and curtails the bullshit that is posted here. The nazis count on the fact that there is such a thing as free speech, and take advantage of the opportunities presented to them. It is everybody’s right to say what you want, but that doesn’t mean that everybody else is obligated to listen to it. There is also the right to ignore whatever bullshit other people put out. “Forge thy tongue on an anvil of truth, and what flies up, though it be but a spark, will have weight”.

    • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 2:37 pm #

      Not responding also has the added perk of making the bug up their buzz.

    • libertysghost August 18, 2017 at 3:00 pm #

      I can’t say I’ve read every word of every post, but I’m not seeing all the “nazi” stuff you’re seeing apparently.

      Or is that what they want me to think I’m not seeing? O.o Hmmmmm?

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm #

        I think what he is trying to say is,

        “Holy Crap! How do I respond to all those inconvenient facts??? Sheeesh, there is a 72% illegitimate black birth rate, and birth control is free, sooo there is nowhere for me to go on that one! And slavery was over 150 years ago in the U.S. And the Jews, and the Japs, and the Krauts did rebuild pretty quickly, where my black victims can’t even get up enough energy to paint their house in Detroit.

        Oh wait! Mebbe I can figger out a way to NOT answer the stuff, and yet still not look like a complete dork who is clearly in the wrong. . . Hmmm. . .

        LIGHTBULBS! I know! I will call them all Nazis, and tell everybody that I am just toooo principled to wallow in the dirt with them! Yes, that’s the ticket! Plus, I can get to virtue signal some more!

        They’re Nazis and I’m just above all that! Damn, I was afraid my ego was going to take a hit there. Whew! Am I one clever dude, or what? Snoopy dance! Snoopy dance!”

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:10 pm #

          Wilhelm Reich called the hysteria bubble “Emotional Plague”.

      • capt spaulding August 18, 2017 at 3:16 pm #

        You may have Aphasia, or it may be wilfull on your part, it’s not for me to say. May you live in interesting times.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:11 pm #

          Snopes approved Snoopy dance!

      • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 3:23 pm #

        It doesn’t smell like teen spirit, that’s for sure.

    • Pucker August 18, 2017 at 4:35 pm #

      Is someone suggesting that JHK is a Na…zi? I think that JHK may be Je..wish?

      • pequiste August 18, 2017 at 5:07 pm #

        Ashkenazi?

      • JimInFlorida August 20, 2017 at 12:50 pm #

        Our benevolent host, JHK, is Jewish and very likely Ashkenazi.

        *BUT* … he does NOT fit the stereotype. His life reads like any respectable White Bread American who had his ups and downs and made his reputation in a very respectable manner. He has created and added genuine positive value to the national narrative. I learned a lot from his old podcast with Duncan Crary.

        Still, it does trouble me a bit whenever I reveal the sins of his Tribe. But, as the saying goes, the exception to the rule still proves the rule.

    • sophia August 20, 2017 at 1:09 am #

      Janos has been here for years, hasn’t he?

      • JimInFlorida August 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm #

        Yes, Janos has been here long before I showed up.

        I found Janos fighting single-handedly to keep the Light of Truth shining on CFN and knew I had to jump in and help out.

  39. seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 2:48 pm #

    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are seeing this with Trump. 60 % of his supporters say there is nothing he could do that would make them not support him. The Orange One won’t last the year, but the monument he erects to himself in front of Trump Tower will live on forever. Amen.

    • capt spaulding August 18, 2017 at 3:32 pm #

      It will be cheap to commission his statue. All it needs to be is the last half of a horse.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:13 pm #

      In other words, you’re glad Hillary didn’t get it because then your better angels would have been forced to hate her. Or admit that you were a CHUD – Carnivorous Humanoid Underground Dweller.

  40. Pucker August 18, 2017 at 3:01 pm #

    The Clinton Foundation….

  41. JohnAZ August 18, 2017 at 3:43 pm #

    It amazes me. All the racial and political rhetoric. When are all of us going to realize that this is much bigger than Dems vs. GOP or Black vs. White. Who benefits from this discord? Who wants America to tear itself apart? Who is paying $25/hr for protestors and now agitators to go to innumerable hot spots and spark unrest. One name stands out. But he is one of a number of globalist elites who are using all of us to forward their goals of world domination. Where does income inequality lead us? The elites vs. the serfs. Welcome back to the feudal system!

    • Pucker August 18, 2017 at 4:38 pm #

      I guess that they figure that if everyone is out desecrating monuments and graves, then they don’t have to fix the broken infrastructure, fix the healthcare system, and end all of the stupid, useless foreign wars?

      • Walter B August 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm #

        Works like a charm every time my friend! It is hard to see what is going on around you when you are hopelessly staring into your own underpants trying to figure out WTF is down there.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:15 pm #

      Nothing trumps race. Ask the Whites who escaped from Rhodesia. The Blacks would rather live in garbage than be comfortable under White Rule.

  42. FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 4:06 pm #

    How America became a Victim of its own Propaganda

    The phrase “to become a victim of its own propaganda” translates into Russian as “To believe one’s own lies”, but from the philosophical point of view to lie to oneself.

    This problem is gradually being brought to the forefront not only in the United States, but also on a global scale.

    The most striking example of the Americanization of human consciousness is the so-called the “Gauge theory” of theoretical physics, which began as a truly American contribution to world science, similar to the pop art of Leo Castelli, gradually becoming a universal principle of constructing a fundamental theory in physics, as a result of which the development of physics and mathematics simply stopped cold.

    Personally, I knew only few people who understood the Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, which is in antagonistic conflict with the “Gauge theory”: Andrei Sakharov, John Nash and Grigori Perelman. Now Perelman seems to be left alone and even that one left Russia.

    And if Weinberg and Leo Castelli understood that they were engaged precisely in the Americanization of science, then their current followers have already forgotten about this and for them the Gauge Theory is a firmly established scientific fact, and pop art is part of abstract expressionism.

    Similarly, modern economists who rejected Marx do not remember that Keynesianism as the basis of modern capitalism is an attempt to save capitalism from itself on the basis of Marx’s theory, according to which this economic system – capitalism – is suicidal (the theory of the General Crisis of Capitalism).

    But the most malicious out of these attempts to “Americanize” the consciousness of mankind is the Theory of Moral Equivalence, or rather the theory of its denial, according to which moral norms are not the same for all mankind.

    This theory is a kind of product of a distorted dualism that paradoxically won in Europe in the 13th and 14th centuries as a result of the struggle with the dualism of the Catholic Church and according to which there are peoples that are Sons of Light and there are peoples being the Sons of Darkness, and the aggression of the Sons of Light against the Sons of Darkness is NOT Aggression, but defense. Moreover, the Sons of Light can commit terrible atrocities against the Sons of Darkness and at the same time remain “good guys”, and the Sons of Darkness can show nobility and kindness as much as they like, they will still be “bad guys”.

    Initially, the US applied this principle to its foreign policy, but Donald Trump just became the victim of it.

    He argues that the actions of those who protest against the demolition of the monuments to the Confederates must be evaluated according to the same moral principles as those who attack them, and the fact that alt-right have been given permission to their demonstration and they broke no laws until they were attacked by AntiFa, who didn’t have the permit, while Trump’s opponents demanded that he recognize the alt-right initially guilty, on the grounds that they were joined by costumed racists and Soros-hired extras dressed as neo-Nazis.

    And in response to his objections, they roll their eyes and menacingly ask if he talks about the moral equivalence of fighters against racism and neo-Nazis. Naturally, a normal American who has long forgotten the significance of this masterpiece of anti-Soviet propaganda is startled by this phrase just as he shuddered 40 years ago from the moral equivalence of the USSR and NATO, and more recently from the moral equivalence of Putin’s Russia and the US, which the US presidential candidate Donald Trump proclaimed during the televised debates.

    • DA August 18, 2017 at 5:01 pm #

      Nice! I notice that the term “neo-Nazi” has now become an all-purpose label to be applied liberally to whomever the liberal leftards are demonizing at any given moment; apparently not realizing that in so doing they’re merely watering down whatever meaning it once had to utter irrelevance and converting it to a mere epithet and conversation stopper. Yes, America’s own propaganda, perfected during the Cold War and bolstered by a pitifully and by design inadequate educational system, has turned modern day Americans into little more than pathetic regurgitators of their masters’ mendacious propagandist shit. Truly an epic shit storm in the making!

  43. tucsonspur August 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm #

    At one time the Statue was the Light of the World, its symbolism and meaning revered just about everywhere.

    To call Her the Whore of the Harbor now, after decades and decades of disastrous immigration policies crafted by politicians with agendas, is simply lame and misguided.

    Make yourselves happy dimwits, hurl eggs and tomatoes at her. Tear Her down if you will. I’m sure that will make Her stop the inimical influx.

    It’s the Democratic whores always citing the famous words to advance their agenda causing your misery, not the Statue. Boobs. Idiots.

    • Walter B August 19, 2017 at 6:36 pm #

      Sorry TS but in the Great Age of immigration those who were welcomed in all happened to turn out to be highly motivated, hard workers who gladly assimilated into the American culture and quickly not only became gainfully employed but actually built America into the Greatness that she one had.

      As the nation grew and the situation changed Lady Liberty has not only lowered her standards, but her pimps, the sellout politicians and corporate masters who own them have turned her from being the Mother of a nation girl to a backstreet tramp. No hard feeling though, I think that the state of what our nation has become deserves a new, lower class bimbo, don’t you?

  44. thwack August 18, 2017 at 5:01 pm #

    Hey Squeaky Fromm,

    how much money would you need to be paid in order to be changed into a black person and live the rest of your life as one?

    You can choose whatever amount you think you need.

    You get to keep your personality, IQ, life experiences… you even get to choose height, weight, talents, singer, sports, law, medicine…

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 6:16 pm #

      I am happy with who I am. If I need to become a victim, then I can just tell people I am a lesbian. How would they know? Plus, a lot of people already think I am, because of certain friendships.

      If I did catch some rare disease that turned me into a black person, I could handle it pretty easily. All I would have to do is work hard and be a decent person and I would do better than fine. All kinds of people would be anxious to hire me for their affirmative action programs. They would get a twofer, or maybe threefer. A black, a woman, and a smart, hard worker!

      I could probably get some rich white Liberal to marry me to show how tolerant he was. Plus, since I do not have a ghettopotamus a$$, he would get a twofer, too!

      The worst part to me would be losing my Caucasoid Hair. That is the one thing that I feel sorry about for black women.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 6:41 pm #

        Huh??? I answered it. I don’t want to change my race. I don’t need the money. If I did need the money, I would hold out for at least $5 Million, in cash, net of taxes.

        That would be enough to live pretty much anywhere I wanted, and I would probably move to Vermont, where there are few blacks. I could invest about half of it, and use the other half to travel, buy a house, get a nice enclosed area for my cats. Etc.

        More to the point, the only real disadvantage to being black in America, is being tarred with the same brush as all the feral savage blacks. But, if you are a decent person, work hard, don’t pop out tons of illegitimate kids, speak understandable English, and obey the law, then there is nothing all that hard to being black. You just have to let white people know that you aren’t one of those blacks you see on TV looting shoe stores, and wearing their pants down around their knees.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 6:59 pm #

          Illegitimate is a pejorative term invented by the Catholic Church to codify their fairy tale marriage. I myself have never seen an illegitimate child. All of them seen perfectly legitimate to me. You should refrain from proselytizing stereotypes that are not visible to the naked eye. So you admit that being black is a $5 Million dollar disadvantage. As Nazi’s go, that’s rather modest. I would have guessed you a $50 million in gold kind of Nazi.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:21 pm #

          Kids do best with two parents, one of each sex. Boys without fathers grow up to be bastards, girls grow up to be sluts. Mamzers. Bastards.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 7:35 pm #

          @seawolf

          What disadvantage, besides bad hair and white people wondering if I was going to loot, steal stuff, jack cars, and pop out illegitimate kids? I would just let the whites know that I wa once of the good ones!

          And yes, it is obvious that you don’t think being an illegitimate kid is a bad thing, because you are not very smart. Gee, how hard is it to figure out that having two parents and two incomes beats having one broke A$$ momma on various forms of welfare.

          But, you are thick headed and incapable of assimilating new thoughts, but what the heck, let’s try anyway:

          The absence of fathers is important, Obama continued, because “children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”

          Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a psychiatrist with Harvard Medical School and co-author with Bill Cosby of Come on People: On the Path from Victims to Victors, said Obama’s view rings true: The absence of fathers corresponds with a host of social ills, including dropping out of school and serving time in jail.

          But he said other factors such as poverty, education level and the age of parents also correlate with single motherhood and adolescent problems.

          politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/23/barack-obama/statistics-dont-lie-in-this-case/

          My goodness, but you need to get out into the Real World.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

        • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 7:36 pm #

          Squeeky,
          Great answer (s). When he asked me, I told him I’d settle for $500 and a case of 40’s….

        • thwack August 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm #

          Fag hag who won’t answer the question. Just sayin… to those who demand response, we prevaricate you.

          ***************************

          Actually, she first didn’t answer the question because she subconsciously sidestepped the question and chose to answer a different question.

          Then, when a white person called her out, she came back and answered the question; but still tried to equivocate by adding some lame addendum designed to confuse people about the nature of my question.

          Anyway, the purpose of the question is to demonstrate that white people know:

          1. What racism is.

          2. How it works.

          3. and who the victims are.

          The $5 million she requires to be a black person is an example of what THIS SPECIFIC white person thinks racism TODAY costs a black person.

          I want to thank her for her honesty (or stupidity) because most white people refuse to answer the question. Ive run this thought experiment at least 50 times and this is the first time a white person actually answered the question with a monetary amount.

          But, these white peoples inability to answer the question is possibly the most honest accurate answer because what they may be saying is that racism is so bad, so destructive, so horrifying…

          That NO AMOUNT of money could compensate for being a victim of it?

          *being a black person*

          White peoples non answer is actually saying:

          *I wouldn’t be a black person for 5 BILLION dollars because racism would destroy me*

          Thats deep

          But,

          but, probably not if you are a white person?

          Because white people know the inner workings and mechanics of racism. In other words, they know all the pathologies black people know about it, but also, all the pathologies white people know about racism.

          Squeeky Fromm says those pathologies are worth 5 million to her;

          and who knows?

          to add insult to injury,

          she may even be old fat and ugly.

          Just sayin

          • sophia August 20, 2017 at 1:35 am #

            Thwack,

            The money isn’t really because of racism. It just would be a bit uncomfortable to find oneself black, therefore some compensation is in order.

            The power elites have given orders to the media to stir the pot of racism, but I have to tell you, I don’t think there is enough racism left for it to bother blacks. Why don’t blacks just live their lives and not worry about the little bit of racism that is left?

            Now maybe I am somehow ridiculous, but I am serious. I don’t think most black people are suffering under white racism at all. Not enough to matter.

            Plenty of places all around the world have different races and religious groups living near each other and they are somewhat separate from each other by choice.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 7:39 pm #

          To Elysian:

          Heck, if somebody is paying good money for something dumb like that, why not shoot high??? Maybe I should have said $10 Million???

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

        • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 12:03 am #

          “Because white people know the inner workings and mechanics of racism. In other words, they know all the pathologies black people know about it, but also, all the pathologies white people know about racism.”

          Thwack,
          You assume that the answer identifies/monetizes racism…it may not even address racism. It may account for being identified with a culture that is violent, abusive, dysfunctional and unworthy of civilized people. I would not want to be thought of as part of that culture…nor do decent black people, for that matter…they just lost the lottery in that respect, and have to suffer for the sins of others.

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 7:45 pm #

        To Thwack:

        You said, “The $5 million she requires to be a black person is an example of what THIS SPECIFIC white person thinks racism TODAY costs a black person.”

        My answer said no such thing. If I was born black, I am sure I would be equally reluctant to change my race. I might pay to change my hair though, if I was black.

        I guess it would be like me saying that the airfare to Africa is only $999, therefore Blacks in America think that the disadvantages to living in a white American society as opposed to a black society, is less than a thousand bucks.

        Maybe. But maybe blacks just don’t want to move to Africa.

        Sorry, but I think your thinking is screwed up.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • Doc Holliday August 18, 2017 at 11:31 pm #

          Thwack,
          How much would you pay to be white?
          Or, if you are satisfied with your current situation, how much would you pay to stay black?

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 8:42 pm #

        homophobe

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:17 pm #

      Well answered.

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm #

        Thank you, Janos! How did you like my Cemetery Poem way up above???

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Stormfuhrer

        • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:29 pm #

          It cleans away the funk of forty thousand years. I was on fire Monday. You are on fire today. Today is better than yesterday. You can’t cook a fish with yesterday’s fire. Thus I warm myself with your words, hoping to become enkindled again….

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:20 pm #

      I just discovered a way to turn Blacks, White. How much are you willing to pay for it?

      • elysianfield August 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm #

        “I just discovered a way to turn Blacks, White. How much are you willing to pay for it?”

        How much did Michael Jackson pay?

        • seawolf77 August 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm #

          How much would a white man pay to have a black man’s dick but….it would remain black in color? Then how much would a white man pay to have a black man’s dick… and it was white? Face it you hate black men because their penises are larger than yours. I myself have no issues there. Strong like bull. Big like beer bottle. But I understand why a man who was penile impaired would hate black men. Just doesn’t apply to me. I’m down with the homeboys.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:18 pm #

            You go down on the homeboys you mean.

          • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 12:20 am #

            “But I understand why a man who was penile impaired would hate black men”

            Wolfie,
            The sexual angle you reference is a bit overstated.

            I remember, while on patrol, driving along a street and a black man with a white woman would identify us (unmarked car), and immediately grope the woman and stick his tongue down her throat…we would often laugh as we drove by. This was not uncommon, happened several times that I remember. You might believe that cops harass the blacks in the ghetto…actually, the blacks were often trying to get a response from us…sometimes they got one…mostly not.

            Beer bottle (long neck) size and strong as a bull? Just remember this conversation when you reach your 7th decade….

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 8:01 pm #

        Well, just like with trannies, Blacks would have to go thru a transitional phase before being turned white. Some would have to learn to speak English, get jobs, get back to school and learn how to read, learn how to do basic math. Learn that “Red Velvet Cake” and “Blue” and “Purple” are not acceptable hair colors. Learn that “motherf–ker and ni**er are not part of polite white conversation. Learn that kids need both parents, and that Doritos and Orange Drank are not acceptable kid breakfasts. They would have to learn to read Pickles the Fire Cat to their little heathens. And tell bed time stories. And not to resist arrest, and comply with officer’s request. And take birth control pills. etc. etc. etc.

        I mean the transition phase alone could take a lifetime for some blacks. They would have to unlearn more than half the stuff they think is true. I think it would be easier for whites to go black.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

    • sophia August 20, 2017 at 1:26 am #

      If I could sing, I’d do it for free. But my answer is 0.5 million.

  45. FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 7:16 pm #

    Steve Bannon? We’ll see about Mr. Bannon

    Due to the fact that the discussion of the topic of “Moral Equivalency” is essentially taboo in the framework of the politically correct system created by Hillary Clinton, the [former] chief strategist of the White House, Steve Bannon, calls his friend the editor-in-chief, and “forgetting” to warn him that this is a private conversation, and not on the record interview and begins to cut the Mother Truth.

    And his friend, the editor-in-chief, remembering that by default any conversation with the Trump administration is official, he prints this as an interview with the chief strategist of the White House, which reveals that he is the main one who professes views that contradict the statements of Donald Trump, but which the opponents of Trump attribute to the president, combined with accusing him of racism, fascism and a proposal to impeach him for secret Nazism.

    prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant

    This interview is very profound in terms of political philosophy and to some extent it has already neutralized the attempt to drive a wedge between Trump and his supporters. The latter remain faithful to him despite the rabid anti-Trump propaganda in the American and European media, and this frightens the so-called liberal intelligentsia of the United States, but Trump is also afraid to answer them as befits and is compelled to resort to the help of his chief strategist.

    The interview says in plain language that all this hysteria about North Korea’s nuclear weapons is a play to exert pressure on China and that no one is bombing anyone in the near future.

    But in Aesop language for Trump supporters there he says that the US intelligence community will soon have to explain why they think that the revelation of Clinton frauds with elections are threatening the US security and the transfer of missile technology after the Maidan, which established a total CIA control over Ukraine, that allows North Korea to blow nuclear warheads in 60 US cities, is not!!!

    The new head of the administration of the White House just today decided to dismiss Steve Bannon from the post of chief strategist of the White House, and one of the reasons for this is the above-mentioned interview.

    And since I have no doubt in what I wrote, I will take the liberty to assert that we are witnessing the unfolding of the intrigue, authored by Donald Trump (possibly in co-authorship with Melania Trump). And that means that not only the interview, but also the dismissal of Bannon is a well-prepared and premeditated blow to those who demanded his dismissal.

    yahoo.com/news/white-house-lawyer-cobb-predicts-quick-end-mueller-184917825.html

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 7:23 pm #

      He probably knew he was out and wanted to make a few points publicly. Hopefully Mr Trump will still seek the counsel of this brilliant man.

      • FincaInTheMountains August 18, 2017 at 7:43 pm #

        Or, may be, Mr. Bannon just needed operational space to work on a new Political Party – we have just little over a year to midterm elections of 2018.

      • malthuss August 18, 2017 at 8:40 pm #

        Stalin, how many on his council were Christians?

  46. BackRowHeckler August 18, 2017 at 8:04 pm #

    These antifa babes, they ain’t too attractive. Have you taken a good look at them? Short, overweight, fat little legs covered with wool stockings. And what’s with the pink and purple hair? How you gonna win hearts and minds looking like that? And how you gonna find a husband looking like that, assuming some of the antifa men are not gay? Its a long way from the long legged revolutionary beauties of the Spanish Civil War like Martha Gelhorn and Gerdo Taro. Even dressed up in fatigues they looked good!

    brh

    • thwack August 18, 2017 at 8:49 pm #

      Don’t worry, hypergamy is the universal panty remover. When the war ends, the best looking females will line up with the winners.

      Same as it ever was.

  47. thwack August 18, 2017 at 8:44 pm #

    My answer said no such thing. If I was born black,

    ***********************

    But the question was NOT “If I was born black.”
    Now you might be one of those stupid white people with reading comprehension issues…?

    But it is more probable that you are an average, ordinary white person who tries to sidestep the question because they subconsciously know what it means?

    This is why this thought experiment is best done face to face, with other people observing the interaction (and willing to call them out on stalling, non answers, equivocation, side stepping…)

    I suspect white peoples difficulty with this thought experiment is based on the fact you are asking a white person to provide low resolution information about the architecture of the system of racism white supremacy we exist in?

    Its kind of a “no win” situation for the white person because the more information they provide you, the more suspicion they come under that that are a racist running the system.

    Squeeky didn’t WANT to answer the question and thats why she CHOSE to adopt a faulty comprehension and answer a different (easier) question.

    I ain’t mad at her.

    You can also run a somewhat non racial version of the experiment that carries the same construct:

    Walk into a prison and ask every guard: “how much money would you need to become an inmate here?”

    If a guard refuses to answer, that non answer is a valid answer because its based on the superior knowledge the guards have of how the prison operates.

    The guards know more about the prison pathologies than the inmates; even though it is the inmates who experience them.

    And its a very similar situation with white people.

    No white person is EVER gonna come up to you and say:

    “see that white guy over there? You need to be vary careful interacting with him because he’s a racist and will try to harm you…”

    That is not the function of a white person in a system of racism white supremacy.

    Why?

    I suspect because all white people benefit from racism?

    Even if they themselves CHOOSE not to practice it.

    Racism white supremacy is a system; and when the “boss” comes around on Friday handing out pay checks, every white person expects to collect their check.

    “do you work here?”

    “hell yeah I work here, gimme my fucking check!”

    • nsa August 18, 2017 at 9:01 pm #

      Hey Thwacker,
      The answer you want to hear was provided by a white lib named John Griffon back in the early 1960s. He took a drug called methoxsalen which has the side effect of turning the taker dark brown. He voluntarily turned himself into an afro and toured the south keeping a journal, resulting in a classic book of sorts…..Black Like Me. Here is the answer you want…..Griffon could only take it about six weeks and then ceased his racial adventure, preferring to return to being white. Wiki claims he received so many death threats after his book was published that he had to move to Mexico…….

      • thwack August 18, 2017 at 9:10 pm #

        Griffon could only take it about six weeks and then ceased his racial adventure, preferring to return to being white.

        ******************

        Non answer noted.

        The question is: HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD HE REQUIRE TO LIVE THE REST OF HIS LIFE THAT WAY?

      • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 12:36 am #

        NSA,
        I read that book before I was 18 years old. What I took away from that book was that blacks were just like whites, but who were unfortunately born with black skin.

        Before I was 23 years old I was disabused of that notion…I began understanding the nuances of culture…and it’s corrosive effects on entire generations of black people.

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 9:16 pm #

      You are just blabbering, and your reasoning makes no sense. Suppose that you had asked me how much money I would take to get a boob job. That is a good analogy, because just like changing skin color, it is a physical attribute.

      If I say I don’t want a boob job, then what does say about my beliefs regarding boob jobs in general, or women with them or without them. It says nothing. All it says is that I do not personally want a boob job. And, that I don’t need the money.

      But you are insistent. You demand to know how much money it would take to get me to the plastic surgeon. And you call me a fag hag. Sooo, I say $5 Million. Does that mean that I think bigger boobs are a $5 Million cost or detriment to me??? Or that I think bigger boobs are a $5 Million costs to women who have them?? Does it mean that I think my current boobs are just wonderful, and couldn’t be better???

      None of those conclusions is a necessarily logical conclusion. All my answer says, is that I prefer not to have surgery, and that if forced to, then I would charge a premium. It could be that I think bigger boobs are an asset to a woman. It could be that, and still – that I don’t want silicone boobs.

      That is where your thought problem ends up at. A sketchy logical premise, and sketchier conclusions.

      Nice try, but go back to your drawing board. This time, try it without being stoned, or drunk.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter-

      • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:21 pm #

        And he won’t answer how much he would pay to become White.

        • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 18, 2017 at 9:30 pm #

          If a person WANTS to make a physical change, then the answer is much more logical and clear. Continuing the boob example, if I WANT bigger boobs, or differently shaped ones, then I go to a plastic surgeon and he gives me the price of $4,000.

          If I pay the price, then it is apparent that the new boobs are worth at least $4,000 to me. It still doesn’t imply that old boobs were bad, or a $4,000 detriment to me. Just that I think the new ones are worth $4,000.

          It is difficult to determine value in involuntary or forced transactions.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:36 pm #

            Subtleties! They’re cruelties to the Black Mind. Thwack wants a straight answer so he can show you what a terrible person you are.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 19, 2017 at 12:55 am #

            To Janos:

            Nowadays, subtleties are cruelty to most people’s minds.

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • thwack August 19, 2017 at 7:49 am #

            This though experiment yields better data when you run it on younger white people, specifically, white children. The responses here are from old white people who try to answer in a way that supports racism (thats what the penis, boob job and 40 oz references are about)

            In contrast, white children will probably provide genuine, authentic, thoughtful answers because they are not yet fully vested in the system of racism white supremacy; in addition to lacking the language and sophistication for the advanced deceitful behavior necessary for the practice of racism.

            The Jane Elliot “Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes experiment” is a good example of this phenomenon. Those white children became so engrossed in the experiment that they forgot it was an experiment. In an interview she said the most disturbing result of the experiment was that once the children understood who was qualified for mistreatment; she no longer had to tell them HOW to mistreat them. They began to come up with new forms of abuse on their own.

            In addition, different (truthful) answers result when a white person runs it on another white person.

            Indeed, although the lies and deceit I receive from the white people on this blog are examples of white people practicing racism; they are also the reason so many nonwhite people participating “choose” not to reveal themselves as nonwhite.

          • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter August 19, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

            To Thwack

            You said: “The responses here are from old white people who try to answer in a way that supports racism (thats what the penis, boob job and 40 oz references are about)”

            Huh??? That seems to be your ASSUMPTION, but you haven’t bothered to explain how my “boob jobs” analogy, for example, supports racism. What, do you just pick out any old factual reality and then whine that it supports racism??? Seems like that to me!

            Then, you blathered some more and said, “In contrast, white children will probably provide genuine, authentic, thoughtful answers because they are not yet fully vested in the system of racism white supremacy; in addition to lacking the language and sophistication for the advanced deceitful behavior necessary for the practice of racism.”

            Well, what if the “system of racism” is all in you head??? What if as white kids get older they simply believe what they see with their own two eyes, that black people commit a lot of crime, and act trashy, and have a 72% illegitimate birth rate? What if they watch youtube videos of savage black teen rampaging thru malls and streets?

            In other words, what if the “system of racism” is all in your head, and what is really happening is that white people are intelligently reacting to blacks acting like feral savages?

            For example, Maxine Waters, chooses to live outside her black district, and with a bunch of white people? Why? Is it a “system of racism” or does she simply not wish to a cap popped in her head in a drive-by, or have to put iron bars on her windows and doors to keep out, not the Klan, but her fellow black Democrats who like to steal everything that isn’t tied down?

            Squeeky Fromm
            Girl Reporter

          • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm #

            “Well, what if the “system of racism” is all in you head???”

            Yeah, What Squeeky said!

    • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 12:38 am #

      no.

      “White man never have the blues…’cause he never got nothin’ to worry about”~Huddy Ledbetter.

  48. BackRowHeckler August 18, 2017 at 9:33 pm #

    Dannyboy is trolling all of you.

    Just havin a little fun, is all!

    brh

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:39 pm #

      Got any proof? Or is it just a hunch?

    • malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:24 am #

      proof?

  49. Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 9:38 pm #

    Good right wing feminine hatred from Patriot Nurse. This is the Water to Squeaky’s Wine.

    youtube.com/watch?v=wOZoSxMEe3I

    Attn Ozone

  50. ozone August 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm #

    attn. CFN

    Why TF would I click on any shithead-bait link that vladdie provided? He must think I’m very stupid or somehow personally dangerous to him. I don’t get it.
    His fake persona and his fake love of a suicidal nazi ghost-hero can both go fuck themselves nice and hard and hurtful. Just the way he likes it. (I hope that’s up to his standards of “politeness”. I consider him a phony, poo-flinging, shit-for-brains minion of the biggest, meanest, deepest State the world has ever known.)

    …But I say that with love and the purest of motives, and I think he knows that.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 18, 2017 at 11:37 pm #

      In other words, the whole nascent Globalist State and their Corporate Allies haven’t declared War on the White Nationalists. They’re really on our side, that’s why they’re denying us service and kicking us off the internet as well as tearing down our heritage. And of course paying me millions of dollars to post here.

      You’re a mule headed idiot, Pete. Too stubborn to admit you’re wrong and have been wrong about us from the beginning. Your Anti-Fas and generic Leftists like Kdog are the unwitting allies of the Deep State, not us.

  51. BackRowHeckler August 19, 2017 at 12:11 am #

    A few years back, during the Ferguson, Mo. riots, when Ferguson got burned to the ground, a Croatian immigrant, a white guy, got dragged out of his car and bet to death with claw hammers by an angry mob of negros. Does anybody remember his name? Was there wall to wall coverage of his funeral? Was there any handwringing? Was anybody worried about the violence, the racial nature of it?

    brh

    • malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:27 am #

      his name can be found online.
      How about the Australian jogger, killed in a thrill killing in Oklahoma?
      Or the 2 brit tourists killed [raped? dna found on them]
      in Florida.
      go to duckduckgo and search—

      Shawn Tyson found guilty in Florida.
      I believe big Shawn was 16 years old.

      • malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:29 am #

        Or the dumb White Australian killed in Detroit.
        He read that houses were cheap there, and went to stake his claim.
        His tenant killed him.

  52. tucsonspur August 19, 2017 at 1:32 am #

    “Are you wishing for this death-match to happen?” Ozone

    I’d rather a chess match. Good question, because I seem to want to dance around it.

    Could I wish for such mayhem, could anyone? I have to say yes.

    I don’t like the unsettledness of things, the infernal, on going tensions, the lingering doubt about the outcome of things.

    Sometimes things reach a point where there is no alternative. The decision is first made “outside” of one’s self, the hand is forced. Then the answer is an easy yes.

    Right now? It’s kind of the opposite. It’s not an easy no, but a no nonetheless. Right now.

  53. tucsonspur August 19, 2017 at 2:34 am #

    It’s death by a thousand cuts.

    yahoo.com/news/m/e95f2f38-3ce8-3463-8116-eb4d9c34b4cc/ann-coulter-might-dump-her.html

  54. Buck Stud August 19, 2017 at 4:43 am #

    The sculptor Henry Merwin Shrady from New York was commissioned to sculpt both the Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E Lee Memorials! In light of the current controversy, I find that to be a pretty remarkable historical fact. I imagine there wasn’t much shit-talking or protesting from either the Yankee or Confederate side of the fence toward the sculptor. People probably figured, they got theirs now we want ours and pretty much forgot about that which they did not admire.

    But if they did give him shit he probably invited them into his workshop so he could shoot a hand-hammered marble chip into their fucking eyes. Cocksuckers.

    Arno Brecker, the incredible Nazi sculptor, produced some truly amazing nude male statutory. Indeed, I sense a homoerotic element to his work, as nothing short of intense desire and passion could have produced such sensual and yet fascistic faceted sculpture. While the lower half presents unabashed virility and latent sexuality, the upper half of acute high cheekbones was testament to Teutonic temerity and determined eyes.

    Nowadays, his work only appeals to sculpture connoisseurs and specifically, that of the 20th century. But In fact there is a seminal universality to that certain austere look associated with fascist art and it emerged from the Direct Carving movement of the early 20th century in which ‘truth to material’ was espoused and revered. And it had more to do with the physical/formal properties of the material limitations that stone –especially the harder varieties–imposed on form itself. In other words, some stones such as granite dictate a severe,planar, faceted form development that is also politically associated with fascist art, which is also very angular and declarative in spirit.

    (I know, someone is going to ask ‘but what about Bernini and the incredibly detailed delicacy of his marble sculpture. Great question but Michelangelo would say let’s roll the sculpture down a mountain and see it stays intact and that no delicate protrusions are broken free from the material matrix.)

    But, “Direct Carving”–and by direct carving I mean without the aid of a plaster model/pointing machine first conceived in the far different material of clay– is not a ‘declaration” but a proposal. One is not ‘imposing’ but listening and searching for possibilities ever so subtle and spontaneously suggested by the emerging form from its matrix of material and as a result of the process, not politics. Think of passing cloud images spontaneously suggesting possibilities. The declarative spirit, so sure of where it’s going and how to get there is not suited for heeding the whispers of the moment.

    Of course it gets far deeper than this: others argue that even spontaneous form development inflections do not emerge free from the influence –especially sub-consciously- of the sculptors own life experiences which would of course include politics.

    This is that and that is this and the interpenetration of cause,effect and result right down to one’s personal DNA is so historically deep and tangled that all a simple person can do is embrace NOW. And NOW, more than any moment ever known to man, is all about Let It Be, past and present

    • pequiste August 19, 2017 at 6:46 am #

      Some profound early-morning insight into the sculptor’s oeuvre here Buck. Thank you.

      I myself was astonished, mesmerized, and transfixed by Bernini at the Galleria Borghese: I could not see how it was possible that cold hard stone could attain such sensuality. The same at the Santa Maria de la Vittoria’s Cornaro Chapel — St Teresa: voluptuous while virtuous, as the cherub, with the most playful grin, using the arrow to pierce her heart. The sculpted onlookers having what appeared to be a nearly clinical expression of interest in the divine actions. Then the added effect of the lighting, making the scene a theatre transcendant.

      It will be a pity when the Yzlamik hordes first demand the closure of both places, then take direct action and smash the works – claiming them to be insensitive to Mohammedan cultural sensibilities ( idols being ” haram” heresies and all that.)

      Just like what the Antifa thugs are doing to Confederate statuary now.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:35 pm #

        This is why I invoked him back here using the Susan Sarandon ritual (he thinks she’s a smoking hot babe(!)).

    • DA August 19, 2017 at 8:59 am #

      Wow! That was amazing!

  55. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2017 at 7:43 am #

    Now, that’s getting exciting!

    The official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation declared the power in Russia illegal, and President Yeltsin – the protege of the CIA.

    The official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Maria Zakharova within the framework of the weekly briefing with journalists entered into polemics with the director of the CIA Michael Pompeo, who repeatedly accused the Kremlin of long-term attempts to undermine democracy in the USA.

    In response, Zakharova reminded Washington of the $500 million in cash that was brought to Moscow on the eve of the presidential election in 1996…

    For several nights, the CIA staff of the American embassy, headed by Michael Sulik, literally slept on bags filled with cash, guarding them until money were taken out from the diplomatic mission in foreign-make cars, and delivered to certain individuals, Zakharova said.

    delyagin.ru/articles/183-novosti/54593-ofitsialnyi-predstavitel-mid-rf-objavil-vlast-v-rossii-nezako…

  56. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2017 at 7:48 am #

    Run for your life!

    One of Trump’s main supporters, Alex Jones, draws attention to the fact that monuments are demolished only to those Confederate generals who stood on “Christian”, or rather Protestant positions, and the monuments to the Satanist-Illuminati confederates are carefully guarded.

    That is, Clinton’s supporters in order to overthrow Trump try to kindle a racial war, and Trump’s supporters opposing them, are fueling the religious war.

    And in my opinion, both of them no longer control these homunculus.

    youtube.com/watch?v=F_cZz6FCKsQ

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:18 pm #

      True. I figured that out years ago when I found out that most Masonic Lodges and Bodies refuse Black members. Why had they never been exposed by the Jewish press that had excoriated every other aspect of White life and culture? Because they’re allies. And Masonry is replete with Jewish symbols and tropes. I admit not the All Seeing Eye – that’s Egyptian and broadly occult ever since.

  57. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2017 at 7:59 am #

    Anglo-Saxons against the Teutons: we should not forget about Brexit

    Recall that the United States with its anti-Russian sanctions attempted to impede the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project. However, despite Washington’s restrictions, this gas pipeline will be built just in time.

    Several years ago, I on one of the forums joked that after Luzhkov’s dismissal from the post of Mayor of Moscow, in the basement of the Moscow City Council, $4 trillion cash American dollars were found – Luzhkov was laundering the money for the drug mafia headed by Hillary.

    And the American sanctions package is known to include a ban on financing the North Stream-2. And yesterday my joke returned when one of the members of the forum informed me that Western Europe had agreed to finance the North Stream 2 in cash!

    Really, in every joke there is some joke!

  58. FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2017 at 8:35 am #

    Or, may be, Mr. Bannon just needed operational space to work on a new Political Party – we have just little over a year to midterm elections of 2018 == Finca

    Steve Bannon Speaks After White House Departure: ‘I’m Going to War for Trump’

    Recently departed White House strategist Steve Bannon is preparing a war for Donald Trump, not against him.
    “If there’s any confusion out there, let me clear it up: I’m leaving the White House and going to war for Trump against his opponents — on Capitol Hill, in the media, and in corporate America,” Bannon told Bloomberg Businessweek’s Joshua Green.

    Green said that Bannon “sounded like he’d just consumed 40 Red Bulls” during his conversation with him on the phone.

    breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-speaks-after-white-house-departure-im-going-to-…

  59. Being There August 19, 2017 at 9:05 am #

    The rise of the Oligarchs
    ….so we can see who they are…..
    The subject is Robert Mercer, Bannon’s boss and the money behind the operation.
    So what do these behind the scenes political operatives Mercer and daughter Rebekah want?

    Just as the Koch Brothers have designed the Right in this country for decades, the Mercers are also on their own, somewhat similar tack. They want to move the Republicans away from the globalist track and come back to nationalism.

    That in itself doesn’t sound bad, but it all depends on how extreme the vision thing is and if Breitbart tells you anything, then you get a good idea what they’re pushing. Please take note. Mercer is extremely wealthy and will back all of Bannon’s activities, so this is not a market driven model, it is a free lunch for Bannon to work his influence even if Breitbart and his other endeavors had no buyers…..(a form of communism, no?)

    In the past I posted the Guardian article on the data mining operation called Cambridge Analytica he runs in order to use social media to message the way he wants people to think.

    I complain that media refuses to discuss how our radical right wing oligarchs are redefining politics through large infusions of money and how they destroy the careers of those they don’t agree with–even against member of the Republican party. That’s why Trump threatens the Republicans in their next campaign….cuz he knows how this is done.

    Last night Rachel Maddow had Jane Meyer who wrote Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right. That was mainly about the Kochs, but now she’s explaining how Mercer works behind the scenes.

    BTW, Bannon and Conway work for him and that he backed Trump and provided Trump with his people, resources and $$$.

    I would love many of my friends to do some research to actually read about what his ideas are. How he aligns himself, quite possibly with Russia because of their values and how he affected the Brexit election.

    It is of utmost importance that people grasp how our system of governance is being manipulated.
    Our founding fathers used John Locke and his ideas, eschewing Hobbs. You need to get the picture that the billionaire class of the 21rst Century are embracing Hobbs and all that entails.

    I will say one thing. Project Globalism is a disaster for everyone and this very right wing thing is what happens when the people get hurt en masse.

    How will the Left respond, what will their offer to the people be?

    • FincaInTheMountains August 19, 2017 at 9:46 am #

      BT, you are greatly exaggerating the power of Money vs the power of Ideology.

      During the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Bolsheviks headed by Lenin were financially supported by certain group of Russian industrialists, such as very prominent Morozov family.

      Have you heard anything about Morozov? But I bet you heard a lot about Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin.

      • DA August 19, 2017 at 10:08 am #

        Money is the “tangible” (even allowing for the fact that modern money is barely tangible at all) expression of power.

      • Being There August 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm #

        Money is the ideology. It’s religion too…..very simple and uses the same formulae every time…..

    • volodya August 19, 2017 at 9:59 am #

      People that support the Left are busy chasing mirages be they washrooms or statues or whatever. Many are useful idiots. But what they chase are all mirages designed to blind people to the fact that they are being robbed and the country is being looted.

      Leaders of the Left are bought out by the Oligarchs and are fully on board with the globalist agenda of exploitation of 3rd world labor. This exploitation is done either by offshoring American industry or by on-shoring impoverished and desperate 3rd world workers.

      Leftist leaders denigrate objectors as either racists or idiots too dumb to adapt to changing times.

      This is to say that leaders of the Left are not Leftist. They are in the employ of Globalist-Oligarchs.

      • DA August 19, 2017 at 10:17 am #

        It’s funny, because most of the upper class twits that support all this multiculturalism non-sense have the luxury of never actually being exposed to any of it behind the walls of their gated enclaves. All of which they’ve earned through the “magic” of compound interest, where their ill-gotten gains go to work for them, and combined with YUGE! tax breaks and corporate lawyer shenanigans, allow to them to live a life of idle luxury for doing absolutely nothing, other than spouting large volumes of pseudo-intellectual quasi-academic hot air.

        Monty Python was all over this decades ago:

        youtube.com/watch?v=MqObJtGrKaA

        • beantownbill. August 19, 2017 at 10:49 am #

          Money and politics go hand-in-hand. No one in America can get elected without having access to money, lots of it. Hence

      • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 11:10 am #

        I have to say I don’t know much about the bankers and the what used to be called the captains of industry, but I would be surprised if they are right-wing in significant numbers. Maybe I am wrong. From the very little I have heard I’d guess they break down into a majority who share the conventional socially-leftist mindset. There are probably not as many utopians as in the media and politics but more than among the rest of us. Where does Bill Gates, for example, stand on that spectrum? I remember reading about one of the supergroups, Led Zepellin or Pink Floyd, playing for an audience of hedge fund managers.

        As for this being orchestrated, again I am sceptical. I know that in the ‘Savita’ case in Ireland, which the Left used* to push for abortion, the story was leaked in advance to activists. In Britain Marxists have long been on their ‘march through the institutions’ to further the progressive agenda. And bankers and big business will lobby and conspire to further their business interests. But is there a globalist agenda to exploit Third World Labour? I doubt it. I never looked into it because I always assumed it was all uninformed conspiracy theory.

        For example, from Booker and North’s The Great Deception, the most authoritative account (sceptical that is, as opposed to Toby Young’s) of Britain and the EU, when the Community was enlarged getting on for twenty years ago the British (quite exceptionally) decided to allow free entry to the new nations to come and work. The estimate was that something like 13,000 would arrive but the figure turned out to be nearly a hundred times greater. So I go for fantasy rather than conspiracy: they don’t know really what they are doing. (Huge numbers of Poles and others came to Ireland when we followed the British lead. I’d be surprised if anyone here in the Dept of Finance even bothered to make an estimate. It probably never occurred to anyone.)

        *Quite wrongly because the pregnant Indian dentist died of blood poisoning and the claim that she lost her life because she was denied an abortion because Ireland’s laws are backward and barbarous because of the Catholic Church has been shown to be quite false.

        • volodya August 19, 2017 at 12:05 pm #

          Globalist-Oligarchs are a handful in number. Do they conspire? You bet they do. Plus they lobby governments for favorable legislation and trade agreements, they contribute to politicians, they buy them and sell them like cattle.

          The objective was to put in place and maintain a multi-national regime to safe-guard multi-national investments and supply lines. This means moving factories and jobs to China and Mexico and India. Trade agreements and the WTO didn’t get there by happenstance.

          As for names, for starters look to Hillary’s donor lists. Look to who goes to the Davos get-togethers. Look to the people that control the Fortune 500.

          There are people in that set that make no bones about it, they call themselves “globalist”. There are publications like Economist Magazine that shill for them. The greatly enlightened bi-coastal clerisy that administer this system call themselves “cosmopolitan”. They pretend that nation-states are so yesterday, that nations are the preserve of imbeciles. They’ll find out in the fullness of time that they are wrong. They’ll learn that nations provide what they need to survive. But for the present, they act on behalf of their masters and they call the shots.

          I lived my life in the belly of the corporate world. I’ve seen entire departments of skilled white-collar workers get the boots because their work was sent to India. I’ve seen people go to India to train their replacements. They do this to not get a reputation as a whiner. You’re supposed to swallow whatever shit they dole out without complaint. You want to be able to get another job. You want no problems with getting your severance payment. You want a good reference.

          The Oligarchs know what they’re doing and they don’t. They’ve set up a global system of production and consumption for their own wealth and income but that is unworkable, that is upright only for the time being because of central bank and government treasury interventions.

          For now the Globalist set have massively increased their wealth. It has to be noted that it was at the expense of a huge multitude of American workers. But this is not sustainable because the economy they’re created is not sustainable. 20 trillion in US federal debt is testament to this, the present day policy of NIRP and ZIRP is also, ever lengthening terms for auto leases is also. There are many indicators. All these are methamphetamine and crack-cocaine for the financial system.

          Financial markets are the overlay to the real economy. If the real economy doesn’t work, then neither do financial markets.

          • DA August 19, 2017 at 1:03 pm #

            Right on target. The conspiracy is first and foremost subtle – it’s never spoken of or written about openly and it’s designed to play out over decades and even centuries, not election cycles – and its played by power players who are mostly unknown to the hoi polloi.

            This season three’s Fargo soliloquy explains it well:

            youtube.com/watch?v=DvKXdXjMJas

          • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 3:46 pm #

            I don’t doubt that there is conspiracy. Peter Hitchens calls it ‘lunch’ (provided by political correspondents in return for gossip from the politicians). But I remain to be convinced that the globalists devised the progressive agenda either to further their business aims or to distract and occupy the multitudes. I have no doubt it suits their interests but they support it because everyone has to have a creed.

            “They pretend that nation-states are so yesterday… the preserve of imbeciles.”

            My suspicion is that they don’t pretend but actually do believe it.

          • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 3:54 pm #

            DA, it can’t be that subtle. The conspiracy is never written or spoken about because it does not exist (any more than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion) except in terms of individuals (or individual businesses) or short-term deals and arrangements with similar individuals. There have been influential men with grandiose strategic plans, like the environmentalist Maurice Strong, but that is a different thing, isn’t it? As I say, I don’t know enough but my money is on the psychological factor. I know the UN are always pushing for more integration and control and similarly minded people and bodies around the globe, but that is because they share the same faith, not creating it.

    • DA August 19, 2017 at 10:04 am #

      Thanks for that. Hadn’t heard of this guy previously.

      I think we’d all do well to de-emphasize the whole right vs left dichotomy, as it’s in nearly all cases merely trading one deadly poison for another. The key factors in ALL political decisions these days IMO should be Globalism vs Nationalism, Corporatism vs Localism, Imperialism vs Non-Interventionism, Exceptionalism vs Realism, Financialism vs Tangible Ownership of Real Assets, and Continued Growth vs Managed Contraction.

      These are the stark choices we face today, and not surprisingly, neither the right NOR the left is willing to belly up to the bar to address them. That’s just as much the voters’ problem as it is the pols’, as no pol would dare touch these subjects for fear of losing their funding and being roundly rejected at the polls.

      The left is fighting tooth and nail right now because they’re losing the cultural wars badly (hysterical MSM claims notwithstanding), but rest assured, the right are no choirboys either. If we stay on our current course Civil War 2.0 is guaranteed – and worse – it won’t even be fought over anything that actually matters!

      • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 11:21 am #

        Who are the Right? Perhaps the analogy of the Catholic Church is right (I nearly wrote ‘appropriate’ there.) The cliché has it that the ‘Hierarchy’ is holding everyone back. You think of the Da Vinci code with its ‘prelates’ and ‘hulking’ albino monks conspiring against sexual intercourse (orgies among consenting adults are beautiful because they are natural) and wummen in general. The trouble is most of the priests are of the Left (Christian churches have long been enthusiasts for mass immigration). So it’s the bishops. But they too turn out to have been misunderstood. So it’s the cardinals. Again, nope, they want to bring the Church ‘into the world’ as its contemporary role is social justice. So it’s the Pope then. Again, with the departure of the hated Benedict, that won’t wash either. So it’s the mysterious, faceless bureaucrats of the Vatican who are pulling all the strings, obstructing the Pope in his efforts to ‘humanize’ the institution. But these are the same lads who leak to the press and who it turns out just want to be left alone to eat their pizza and to read the sports papers.

        I think the Left vs Right is probably similar. There is only the Left vs common sense.

        • DA August 19, 2017 at 12:57 pm #

          The so-called political “Left” and “Right” are merely flip sides of the same coin to be employed in the same political side show. “Step right up folks and play the game of chance! Heads we win, tails you lose – GUARANTEED!”

    • malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:31 am #

      Last night Rachel Maddow–you lose me there.
      Ms Maddow is anti White.
      Like NPR.

      • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 5:20 pm #

        Rachel Maddow has a Jewish background. She may have grown up in a Catholic household but, long ago, it was common for Jews to convert to Catholicism to hide their identity.

        But, Jewish tendencies cannot be hidden as they are baked into the DNA. Her anti-White comments betray Jewish DNA coming to the surface. It takes very little effort to uncover such self-flagellation and contempt for Whites. Especially White Goy who practice rational racism i.e. self-preservation and refusal to endorse miscegenation.

        • malthuss August 20, 2017 at 10:43 am #

          I went to the anti google protest yesterday.
          Not all ethno masochist are ((())).

          As far as how much ashkanazi blood she has, its anybodys guess.

          I had a forebearer who spoke Yiddish. That doesnt make me ashkanazi.

          • Q. Shtik August 20, 2017 at 11:58 pm #

            As far as how much ashkanazi blood she has, its anybodys guess. – Malth

            ============

            It’s no longer necessary to guess. My wife’s DNA test showed that she is 2.5% Ashkenazi Jew. I, on the other hand, am pure as the driven snow 😉

  60. DA August 19, 2017 at 10:45 am #

    The long read

    Neoliberalism: the idea that swallowed the world

    The word has become a rhetorical weapon, but it properly names the reigning ideology of our era – one that venerates the logic of the market and strips away the things that make us human.

    By Stephen Metcalf

    theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world

    • DA August 19, 2017 at 10:47 am #

      Neoliberalism is an old term, dating back to the 1930s, but it has been revived as a way of describing our current politics – or more precisely, the range of thought allowed by our politics. In the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, it was a way of assigning responsibility for the debacle, not to a political party per se, but to an establishment that had conceded its authority to the market. For the Democrats in the US and Labour in the UK, this concession was depicted as a grotesque betrayal of principle. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, it was said, had abandoned the left’s traditional commitments, especially to workers, in favour of a global financial elite and the self-serving policies that enriched them; and in doing so, had enabled a sickening rise in inequality.

      Over the past few years, as debates have turned uglier, the word has become a rhetorical weapon, a way for anyone left of centre to incriminate those even an inch to their right. (No wonder centrists say it’s a meaningless insult: they’re the ones most meaningfully insulted by it.) But “neoliberalism” is more than a gratifyingly righteous jibe. It is also, in its way, a pair of eyeglasses.

      Peer through the lens of neoliberalism and you see more clearly how the political thinkers most admired by Thatcher and Reagan helped shape the ideal of society as a kind of universal market (and not, for example, a polis, a civil sphere or a kind of family) and of human beings as profit-and-loss calculators (and not bearers of grace, or of inalienable rights and duties). Of course the goal was to weaken the welfare state and any commitment to full employment, and – always – to cut taxes and deregulate. But “neoliberalism” indicates something more than a standard rightwing wish list. It was a way of reordering social reality, and of rethinking our status as individuals.

      • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm #

        Well, from this extract I see he can write. I didn’t know the word neoliberalism is that old. I wonder what it meant then. My guess is the new kind of big-state, new deal liberal, the unknowns who got their chance own under Roosevelt. This reminds me of one of the very few quotes I can half-remember from university. Al Long, who “compared the New Dealers to Marx and Lenin… accused Roosevelt of handing the government over to dreamy professors and bleeding-heart social workers” (according to David Kennedy (The American People In The Great Depression).

        “Who is Ickes? Who is Wallace? Who is Hopkins? And, in the name of all that is good and holy, who is Tugwell, and where did he blow from?”

        I don’t think Metcalf has this in mind, of course, but rather free-market fundamentalists. I’ll read it on Monday if I get a chance. I’d agree that it has to be a crude and rather stupid belief, and Thatcher certainly fell under its spell, at least for a while. But while it is possible that it was “a way of reordering social reality, etc” he is looking in the wrong direction. Thatcher seems to have had an epiphany late in her premiership when she realized that the EU ‘project’ was going to remodel life in a radical and revolutionary way (one that the social justice crowd would thoroughly approve of) and she wasn’t going to stand for it. That (rather than the admittedly unpopular ‘poll tax’) is why her cabinet colleagues got rid of her.

        I think this neoliberal thing completely misses the point.

        • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 7:06 pm #

          Al Smith not Al Long

    • Sean Coleman August 19, 2017 at 11:27 am #

      Is it worth reading that article? Remember, in February 2015 the Guardian compared (in all seriousness) a dead disc jockey best known for his relentless charity work to Pol Pot and seemed to want permission to dig up his body to appease the mob. (We’re not medieval, of course, but maybe just this once?)

      Surely the reigning ideology is the progressive one we all know and love. It sounds insane, I know, but that is because I think it *is* insane..

      • DA August 19, 2017 at 12:52 pm #

        I thought it was pretty good, but individual mileage might very. Nothing radically new in it. The many woes of neo-liberalism have already been documented extensively.

        • DA August 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm #

          Although it does trace and explain the history of neo-Liberalism back to Hayek:

          “When the idea [neo-liberal economic thought/theory] occurred to Friedrich Hayek in 1936, he knew, with the conviction of a “sudden illumination”, that he had struck upon something new. “How can the combination of fragments of knowledge existing in different minds,” he wrote, “bring about results which, if they were to be brought about deliberately, would require a knowledge on the part of the directing mind which no single person can possess?”

          This was not a technical point about interest rates or deflationary slumps. This was not a reactionary polemic against collectivism or the welfare state. This was a way of birthing a new world. To his mounting excitement, Hayek understood that the market could be thought of as a kind of mind.”

          This the intellectual underpinning for an economic theory that has morphed into a virtual religion today.

  61. malthuss August 19, 2017 at 11:20 am #

    Jim,

    jungle gym or dog pile?

    facebook.com/groups/judgedreddfangroup/permalink/1022213084587692/

  62. akmofo August 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm #

    The nihilism displayed by the readers on this blog is expected. We are swimming in a sea of nihilistic propaganda, spawned and sponsored by those in Rome and Malta (who dare not ever be named) and their subcontracted state operators in Moscow and Langley. James Howard Kunstler, I guess is to be commended for swimming against the latest sub-current of nihilism, but he often falls victim to the propaganda as can be read on his blog posts regards the end of the world as we know it. All total nonsense.

    So, why the nihilistic propaganda you ask? What’s its purpose? President Trump intuitively understands where this is going, but not completely. The real purpose of this propaganda is to make the US Constitution Null&Void. They’ve been working very hard at this for a long time, and they’re almost there. The US Constitution served its purpose. It allowed the Society of Loyola open and legal entry to the new Protestant country, allowed its agents free access to the new Roman Republic/Empire, and allowed the Society of Loyola the establishment of total control over the State and all its fascist institutions, public and private.

    The physical and cultural agenda to genocide Protestants in their new republic has gone perfectly to plan. (Sun Tzu: The Art of War: A Jesuit Tale — youtu.be/BlK1rJvnpkM). The Protestant “idiot rubes” as Kunstler likes to fondly refer to them, today are completely ignorant of their history and that of the Counter-Reformation. Even the very term itself is completely alien to them, nevermind knowing and understanding why everything to do with the events of the last three centuries cannot be really understood unless viewed from that perspective.

    And this is only a few generations after their grandparents knew all about this political/religious/cultural conspiracy. In fact, the propaganda has rained so long and the subterfuge machinations have been so effective, that the very mention of this topic now seems so “outlandish” and so outrageous to the public ear, it stirs the same vile emotions of political repression that animate the $30/hr nazi Soros bots hired to populate the streets with violence. Hired to distract from the DNC/CNN/CIA/Google criminal malfeasance and epic treason.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 1:14 pm #

      Another Catholic Conspiracy theorist, obviously. Now is the Church keeping its character and transforming the rest of the world into its image? Or is the New World Order, the Judeo-Masons, transforming the Church and the rest of the world into its image? The latter obviously. Pope Francis meets with Soros regularly, has Rabbis for friends and counselors, lauds abortionists as saints, and is moving Gay Bishops up all around him to the highest levels. Is the Pope, Catholic? In name only.

      This person can’t tell the difference between assimilating the other and being assimilated by the other.

      I admit the Catholics were once bigger players, but they lost when modernity kicked in. And of course, the French lost North America. That was very big too. The Spanish kept South America, but they’ve always been backwards because they interbred with the Indians early on and created huge populations of mestizos. Then Negros were brought in as slaves. One terrible decision after another.

      It does get confusing since some Masonic bodies used elements of Catholicism, most famously Adam Weisphalt, former Jesuit and creator of the illuminati. Skull and Bones uses confession as well.

      • DA August 19, 2017 at 1:31 pm #

        You need to peruse this book for an extensive history of the major religions and the secret societies they’ve spawned, Janos. I don’t buy the “alien masters” hypothesis it puts forward [the idea is plausible, but I don’t think the author makes the case convincingly], but the relatively brief (400 pages+, but some of the chapters are filler) historical discussion is pretty informative. The .pdf format is a little off-putting, but still readable.

        whale.to/c/Gods_of_Eden_Bramley.pdf

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:11 pm #

          Well you probably believe that men only ever met thus to scheme politically. I believe there were good secret societies as well – knowing that they can go bad at any time.

          Spiritually, the West’s tragedy is that for the last two thousand years or so it only allowed bhakti or the yoga of devotion with Christ as the only allowable object. Many men wanted to practice other paths to Christ or other religions entirely. The path of Wisdom, even insofar as it was allowed in the Church, often puts its practicioners in prison or in trouble with the Church authorities. And of course the lower octave, secular knowledge was also policed. A man who practiced both octaves, Giordano Bruno, was burned at the stake. Over time things like this created great hatred. And after the Templars were betrayed and crushed, the fire of revenge was lit, never to be extinguished. Evil now abides with the rebels – it always go with the odds on winner after all.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm #

            Btw, the real mystery is the Ancient Aristocrats who had the huge elongated skulls, with brains of 2000 cc, compared to our 1600-1700. Google it: this is very strange stuff but completely real. But it gets in the way of the narrative, and such skulls often go missing form museums and digs….

      • malthuss August 20, 2017 at 10:44 am #

        lauds abortionists as saints,–proof?

    • messianicdruid August 19, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

      “James Howard Kunstler, I guess is to be commended for swimming against the latest sub-current of nihilism, but he often falls victim to the propaganda as can be read on his blog posts regards the end of the world as we know it. All total nonsense.”

      It is the end of the world SYSTEM [ through self-destruction ] not the end of civilization or the planet.

      • akmofo August 19, 2017 at 4:45 pm #

        What does that mean, “world SYSTEM”? That the US dollar is to collapse? I can assure you there will be a “new dollar” to replace the old. Always is.

  63. Q. Shtik August 19, 2017 at 1:02 pm #

    Of course much of what was believed for the past 5,000 years was total bullshit. – Elrond

    ===========

    Polygamy was as common as dirt for 5000 years too, but now you can go to jail for it.

    • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 10:07 am #

      I have no problem with polyamory in theory. (In practice I couldn’t possibly manage it myself; dealing with one significant other at a time is quite enough.) If polyandry were as common as polygyny, it would be less of a problem, but patriarchal multiple marriage (i.e. man plus bonded concubines) isn’t compatible with western values.

  64. 100th Avatar August 19, 2017 at 1:41 pm #

    The decline of the US nation began ages and ages ago. In the late 19th century and early 20th century when immigrants were needed for labor. They were needed to replace generations of Americans lost in the Civil War, and their lost potential progeny. A divided nation, then 2 nations, and finally one disappearing nation. What we have today is a country that’s only sources of unification are the long and deep tentacles of the state that can barely keep things together, and a depressingly banal commonality in consumption patterns, e.g., Golden State jerseys, iPhones, Papa John’s pizza, Crocs, Justin Timberfake downloads, Disneyworld vacations, New Era caps, advertising events masquerading as football games (NFL), and on and on. There are simply no profound bonds. No national patrimony. No hereditary bonds. Less and less care about the nation, its institutions, its binding document, its experiment as an independent nation escaped from the clutches of both king and church, and centralized governments, and European designs. We have a country populated by comfortable imbeciles. I share no blood, no history, no ideas, no love, and no care for a great many of them. Neither they with me. The state will do everything to keep the ship steady. To force people to believe that they are one, that they must share the same ideas. I’m apathetic, I just want it all o go away. It’s a lost cause. No dignity in pretending otherwise.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:04 pm #

      Yes, the mystic chords of memory have been replaced by the screech of chalk on a board (the lying media) and bad beginner violin practice (modern music and entertainment).

  65. Q. Shtik August 19, 2017 at 1:51 pm #

    Elrond, along with all those confederate statues, kiss goodbye all those Civil War reenactors wearing grey…bunch of assholes.

    • Elrond Hubbard August 20, 2017 at 10:10 am #

      I’m not in favour of erasing history. But I am against the dead hand of history dictating to the living. All those Confederate flags, statues, memorials etc. have a didactic purpose: to wag their fingers at the present and say “The South deserved to win”. No, it didn’t.

    • Q. Shtik August 20, 2017 at 4:22 pm #

      It didn’t take long for this headline to appear apropos my earlier comment:

      Site of two Civil War battles cancels upcoming reenactment

  66. Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2017 at 2:20 pm #

    Open Letter to Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe
    Spencer Quinn
    1,188 words

    Dear Governor McAuliffe,

    In the Soviet Union, they had essentially two kinds of prisoners in their vast gulag system: the 58s and everyone else. The 58s had been indicted under the provisions of Article 58 of the Soviet criminal code, which gave the state license to lock up virtually anyone for political reasons. If someone was deemed even a potential enemy of the people, that was enough to slap a 58 on him. Intellectuals, free thinkers, religious people, didn’t matter. Anyone unlucky enough to say the wrong thing at the wrong time . . . or not . . . could be looking at ten to twenty-five years hard time north of the Arctic Circle. And your innocence would be completely immaterial since they would torture you until you signed a confession.

    And the other kind of prisoner? Those were your run-of-the-mill murderers, rapists, thieves. You know, real criminals. People who needed to be locked up because they posed an immediate danger to the public.

    Take a guess which kind of prisoner held more power in the Soviet gulag system. Guess which kind of prisoner the state trusted to help run things for them in the vast reaches of the archipelago.

    If you guessed it was the real criminals, you’d be right. Better to be a convicted violent criminal in the old Soviet Union than it was to be even a suspected thought criminal who never harmed a soul in his life. This is the very antithesis of the American way of life where people are supposedly allowed to think and speak as they please as long as they’re peaceful about it.

    Does any of this sound familiar to you? It should. Because on Saturday, August 12, 2017, during the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, you helped resuscitate the Soviet Union right here in America. On one hand, you had over a thousand Right-wingers who were there simply to congregate peacefully, to attend speeches, and to legally protest the removal of certain Civil War statues. They had no intention of violence, as evidenced by the peaceful assembly they had held the night before.

    These are the people whom you wish to brand with the 58 label: the thought criminals, the enemies of the people. These are the people you so lazily smear as “white supremacists and neo-Nazis” when really the most accurate thing about that description is the first word. These are folks whose only crime was to break cultural taboos by standing up for their own race and culture. Like the 58ers in the gulag, they were perfectly innocent, yet guilty of everything.

    And on the other hand, you had the riotous violent counter-protesters who came there with the sole purpose of causing trouble. They had no permit, yet were allowed to assemble (as opposed to the Unite the Right people who had a permit and were told to disband). They had hate-filled signs. They spat on people. They wielded clubs and baseball bats. They threw rocks. They threw frozen water bottles. They threw jars filled with concrete. They threw jars filled with urine. They threw jars filled with feces. They attacked people with modified flame throwers. They shot pepper spray at people. One man very well might have suffered permanent damage to his vision because of such an attack. Another suffered a blow with a claw hammer near his ear.

    And as for the young man who drove into a crowd of counter-protestors, killing one woman and injuring nineteen more, his car was beset on all sides by a violent mob. There is video showing thugs smashing his rear window with bats. And so he panicked and hit the gas and then reverse to get out of there. If there ever was a time to have reasonable doubt, at least before all the facts come in, this is it.

    But instead, you prefer to side with the real criminals over the thought criminals, the violent over the non-violent, the ‘everybody else’ over the despised 58s. In fact, don’t think we don’t remember how you signed an order last year that restored voting rights for 206,000 Virginia ex-felons in Virginia, including murderers and rapists. If that’s not a red flag pointing to your Soviet sensibilities, I don’t what is.

    You say that the Unite the Right crowd has no place in America. But whose America? That of the inheritors of the Soviet Union who’d rather bash heads than exchange ideas? That of the useful criminals who gladly do that bashing for them as their leadership turns a blind eye to their misdeeds? Is that what you want to turn America into? A place where people fear for their lives when saying politically incorrect things? A place where defending yourself is tantamount to attacking someone in the eyes of the public and press? A place where merely sticking up for one’s racial interests instantly makes one guilty of past atrocities and worthy of exile?

    And to compound all this, you don’t wish to apply these draconian standards equally among all people, do you? In Terry McAuliffe’s America, non-whites don’t have to fear for their lives when saying politically incorrect things, do they? The obnoxious anti-white tweets of Charlottesville’s vice mayor Wes Bellamy shows that that’s true. In your America, non-whites can also stick up for their racial interests all they want, yes? When you spoke at the Mt. Zion First African Baptist Church on Sunday, the day after the rally, you said you stood with the African-American community in condemning white supremacy. So clearly you are not against people organizing on the basis of race.

    No, in Terry McAuliffe’s America it’s only white people who cannot be allowed to do these things. Or they can, as long as they are being explicitly anti-white about it. Then they can wave Soviet or Antifa flags and assault people all they want and you’ll never disavow them. They’re not the 58s, you see. They’re not the real troublemakers. But when a few nitwits show up at a right wing rally with Nazi flags, well, that’s enough to condemn the whole lot of them, isn’t it?

    So, congratulations, Governor. By siding with the violent counter-protesters and applying this double standard towards non-violent whites, you’re only proving yourself to be just as bad as Soviet officials and twice as hypocritical. It is, after all, their form of jurisprudence you wish to emulate.

    That’s quite an accomplishment, isn’t it?

    And you know what? You’re right. If this is indeed what America will turn into then the people who attended that rally on Saturday will certainly have no place there. No one on the Right will. That’s because we can envision a better place. A place without small-minded, would-be Soviet apparatchiks like yourself who place higher value on physical violence than on free thought and association. Keep pushing us, Governor, and one day we will find that place and go there.

    And if you do ever get that America you envision, and your precious non-whites turn on you in the same way they turned on the Unite the Right crowd on Saturday, don’t coming knocking.

    Because we won’t let you in.

    Sincerely,

    Spencer Quinn

    Counter Currents.com (now under ruthless Establishment attack via Pay Pal and Facebook denying them service)

    • elysianfield August 19, 2017 at 2:53 pm #

      Yeah, what he said….

    • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm #

      Hitler Was Right(TM) about Jews and Soviet Communists. The latter two are inseparable and Alexander Solzhenitsyn proved it.

      It takes very little effort to find Jews at the core of Antifa. Just as they’ve been found inside ALL modern societal dysfunctions.

      jta.org/2017/08/16/news-opinion/united-states/what-you-need-to-know-about-antifa-the-group-that-foug…

      The White Goy have been prevented from weaponizing rhetoric to defend themselves and to combat Jewish social engineering. Especially now that the Jews are so close to making a touchdown. Jewish social engineers are 1st and goal and their move to take down Confederate statues is an illegal forward pass. BUT, the flag was thrown against the DEFENSE for calling them out!

      • akmofo August 19, 2017 at 5:41 pm #

        Why would “Jews” care about Confederate statues?

        And I thought “da Joos” were partners to the Anglo slave owners. In fact, from what I read on the interweb most of “them Joos” were actively involved in importing black slaves to the “New World”. What gives?

        • JimInFlorida August 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm #

          ANYTHING that even remotely elevates White Goy consciousness is anathema to Jews. Rabbis make no secret of this.

          Confederate memorials matter greatly to them because to desecrate them is a direct attack on the tattered remnants of Trump’s desperate followers.

          • akmofo August 19, 2017 at 9:30 pm #

            Ah, yes, elevating the White Goy consciousness. Well, we can’t all be the master race enslaving and genociding the inferior others in Auschwitz. No, we certainly can’t. I hope, my good White Goy, you and your kin have finally learned your place.

        • malthuss August 20, 2017 at 10:52 am