JHK’s Three-Act Play
The narcolepsy of the long Yuletide draws to a close and the world reawakens to its self-spun web of mutually reinforcing fiascos. Just before the holiday, a sense of futility darkened the European banking landscape as cascading sovereign default looked more and more inevitable. It was halted by a bazooka-caliber currency swap Ponzi that allowed the European Central Bank to pretend it had a $700-billion bag of sugar-plums to hand out to more than 200 banks there. That gambit will only keep up the appearance of normality for a couple of months, until the late winter bond rollover provokes a new crisis stage.
Likewise, in the USA, some pressure-cooked December employment statistics gave the false impression of a brightening jobs picture, but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain at the short-term holiday hires, the uncounted long-term jobless, the ones who don’t show up at the government offices anymore, the ones who stopped getting checks, the legions of the hopeless. A nation that can’t call ‘bullshit’ on its own lies deserves all the suffering that might rain down upon it, and that’s exactly where we are heading as things economic morph into things political.
How quaint the current Republican jousting tournament will seem in a few months when real violence rides in on the zephyrs of springtime. Each new primary is like the unloading of a Ringling Brothers clown car. There is an inverse relationship between the seriousness of these times and the laughable personalities vying for a place in history. Are they running for high office or auditioning for the role of Parson Weems in a new Lifetime Network TV mini-series? Are you charmed by their absurd casual clothing? Comforted by their know-nothing jabber about the “game-changer” of shale oil and their sincere doubts about the climate change “story?” Is it morally satisfying to know that one or another of these candidates won’t drink a beer? (They’d make good Ayatollahs.) In what sort of Creationist parthenogenetic incubator are such pietistic idiots hatched? What these sanctimonious pricks don’t realize they are doing is destroying the very legitimacy of the idea that we’re capable of governing ourselves per se.
This is the long-term direction of life in North America, by the way – a breakup into small autonomous governing units. It’s just that the current cast of characters brings an aura of low comedy to the process. By the time they’re through with Washington, the credibility of Federalism will sound like a knock-knock joke.
As for the other side, the “folks” now occupying the White House and its folkster-in-chief, Mr. Obama – the time has come to abandon them. Their failure is complete with the new national security act that allows for suspension of due process of law. The cheek of Mr. Obama in offering a “signing statement” to the effect that his administration would not enforce the law! – as he signed it! For one thing, Obama tacitly invited his own impeachment by declaring he had no intention of enforcing federal law, since enforcement is the chief duty of his office. If John Boehner were not himself such a fraud, he would have started a motion for impeachment before sundown that day.
Occupy Wall Street will seem like a mere harvest dance when we look back from the uproars later in 2012. Both organized parties have managed to banish the rule of law in America. Both parties need to be driven into the wilderness of history and the rule of law has to be rescued from the oblivion they sent it to. What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project? What voices will resolve out of the phenomenal noise of gadget America, with its deafening tweets, incessant advertising, instant messaging, idiotic robo-calling, and ever-present flat-screen assault on the senses?
I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won’t be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about “freedom” and “liberty” is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise. A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum?
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First. And it doesn’t mean a thing. Let’s move on to
discuss real issues.
The world is getting less and less predictable. We need to take time now, while we still can, to study and prepare for what is coming.
Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/01/fracked-up.html for discussion about preparation for the coming Dark Age.
JHK, a good read this morning. I truly hope there WILL be an uproar come springtime…I truly hope there is OUTRAGE somewhere out there. But the big flat screen, the high def, the i-crap, the cloud — those seem to be the only things people in this country care about. So we’ll see.
Mila
Adding to the evidence: It’s offical, the middle class is dead. Recently released US Bureau of Labor Statistic and Federal Reserve data show the “average American family” can’t afford the average single family house… depended on their employer for health care insurance or went without… were in debt with no way out… didn’t pursuing further education… saved nothing… and slashed their food budget to the bone.
“It’s Official: Gov Stats Shows the Middle Class is Dead” on opednews.com
See my full analysis Here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Middle-Class-Vanishes-by-Chaz-Valenza-120101-954.html
The rule of law has become a “signing statement”. Where is the outrage? the righteous indignation and shouting? Habeus Corpus left without a fight or even a nightly commentary. Pathetic. And pepper spray is a vegetable. How about those Broncos, eh? Awesome game dudes…..
JHK said: “What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project?”
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The Green Party is the answer.
Vote Jill Stein 2012
http://www.jillstein.org
Of all the Clown Car baggage, Ron Paul is the most useful to the citizens revolt to and including OWS.
Why? Because the more success he has the more
lie it gives to the other Rethugs through simply upsetting their propaganda fest. At the same time it points out the hypocrisy of the Democratic pro war machine. Interesting discussion of this at Naked Capitalism.
He of course wants to keep U.S. tax dollars at home with might insult certain tribalistic tendencies.
“All the yammer about “freedom” and “liberty” is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. ”
Notice how “and Justice for all” is not even mentioned.
I wish the best for the OWS movement, but I fear that the PTB will come done hard this year to crush any and all dissent. Of course you won’t see that on the major media ‘newz’, just the Tea Partiers will be focused on.
Or for a bigger distraction, howz about a little war with Iran?
The USA has become a Fascist police state. And unless the American people decide to take some action, democracy is a dead concept there.
Its all about and for the Corporations, with the military as the enforcer, either here or abroad.
Good luck, :]
“Both parties need to be driven into the wilderness of history and the rule of law has to be rescued from the oblivion they sent it to. What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project?”
Americans Elect is trying to do just the first, although I don’t think that’s going to happen. Throughout the history of the United States, the country has had the Democratic Party and its opposition, first the Federalists, then the Whigs, and now the Republicans. The only time one of those parties has been banished has been when it fell apart on its own. It was promptly replaced by a new opposition party. The same is true in other countries that have maintained democracy. Labor replaced the Liberals in the UK without the Tories disbanding, and the Canadians managed to almost completely dismantle the Progressive Conservatives overnight; the current Conservative Party has more to do with the Canadian Reform Party than the Tories of old. So one of the parties might disintegrate, then the other, but I highly doubt both will do it simultaneously. The only way I see that happening will be if there is a military coup that eliminates party politics altogether, such as has happened in Pakistan. Do you really wish for such a thing?
As for the second, a number of groups are trying, including Coffee Party USA. I really should book you on one of our Blog Talk Radio programs. Do I need to talk to Miriam F. for a phone interview?
Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I didn’t talk about either Americans Elect or the Coffee Party, although I promise I will do both this year. Instead, I examined the corn pone fascists in their native environment, the Iowa Caucuses, repeating what I said last week about the campaign being a circus and the candidates being a bunch of clowns. I also mocked the Mayan Apocalypse, quoting last week’s post by JHK, remarked on how Michigan’s Governor managed to get himself sued twice in one week for assaults on democracy and equality in bills he signed, found some good news for both rapid transit and automobiles in metro Detroit, and then howled at last night’s full moon. Coming up this week will be more on the effect automobiles have on the economy, both good and bad, which will demonstrate how difficult it will be to wean ourselves off of happy motoring. In particular, I will be covering the North American International Auto Show, which will display both the best and worst of cars, including efforts to make cars more sustainable–never mind that divorcing cars from the internal combustion engine will only alleviate one or two of the issues with automobiles on the environment and society. So, Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/
What!!!no mention of impending ww3 starting with Iran!! ..got the popcorn ready;cold beer…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177837
“None the less, the universes are NOT parallel if they intersect.”
Exactly, and in fact a real parallel universe is one that has no possible relationship with us and ours, no possible logical connection with ours, not even the constraints of existence, non-contradiction and the identity principle, a universe that is totally disjoint from ours, totally outside of any possible decoding we can perform, totally not related in any possible logical or philosophical or metaphysical way. That is why real parallel universes exist only when the Observer becomes something different from our Man Brain, a new design of the Observer (a completely new design of Mind, Brain, Neural Circuits, Internal Logical Connections, Memory Organization, how it is all connected to Emotions and Sentiments, Pain and Pleasure events, circuits and systems, etc.) will create a new Experience Space for that new observer and hence will create a new Universe with completely new laws of Physics as the observer is simply the sequence of events the Observer Experiences by talking to itself, by interacting with matter, but as such is simply interacting with itself, inventing itself, creating its own universe moment by moment, it is simply an Information Relationship. It goes without saying that a parallel universe is totally illogical, contradictory, totally absurd, very far out, and very cool exactly because it is so different from what we are used to.
I like these new parallel universes, especially if they don’t exist (since they are beyond true and false and existence and non existence). But especially because even if what all I said is false, it is true, I can say and do all, I always win, I love lies and deceptions, I love complete insanity…
What the many worlds theory implies in Quantum Physics is simply many universes that are almost identical and similar to ours, with most logical and non-contradiction and Identity Principles always operating.
But you would have to check that out “experimentally”…
“How does two or more possible results result in two universes? ”
Well you can invent anything you want, you can design a theory or logic or sequence of symbols that shows how that is possible, it doesn’t have to be “not illogical” or “not contradicting”, it doesn’t have to even be right, it just has to be fun, like a little game it can be anything you want, you are free to invent all and make up all kinds of stuff and all kinds of mistakes you want, lie to yourself, force any theory you want, break all the rules, you are free…
Somedays, it feels as if you’ve just flushed the toilet and you notice that “missing ring” following the waste down the crapper… too late!
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
[quote=”Kriswest”]If you were a young person in Tunisia would you just sit and pray? Or would you leave the area to find something better?
You rant against those that prefer to change their existance rather than become slaves to the system. Do you not comprehend that once the Government gives you handouts you are their property? You live where they dictate , you do what they dictate, If they say jump for your money , you need to do it or you might actually be cut off. They want you, your kids , your family accepting handouts. Lazy fat dependents rarely rebel. A country on welfare is ideal to leaders. They have a freedom to be the masters. Indepence breeds restlessness, innovation , thoughts, freedoms. You sound like a salesman for the government. How much are they giving you to recruit?[/quote]
No different from what private corporate bosses do and want, it is all the same, it doesn’t matter what the hierarchy is made up of, there is never any freedom essentially…
But go on, be your own boss, how many people do you think can really end up being their own boss ? Anyways I have said this before many times, there is no difference between public or private enterprises, government or private corporations, power relationships are always power relationships, status relationships are always present no matter what, read all of my old posts, study them very carefully, you will learn…
http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/
15 TRILLION.
Off to show the Congressman some Solar Panels charging an electric car this afternoon… we’ll see how that goes…
By the way, it actually works.
Cheers Clusterfuckers
PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.
Jim, nice exchange with Chomsky last week. His intellectual arteries are pretty hardened these days, good to see someone give him a run for his money.
My country continues its steady downward progress into petro-state thugocracy. The morning headlines are full of the Harper government’s reaction to the effective tactics of environmentalists to delay the building of pipelines to convey tar sands sludge to markets: they are planning to change the rules of the review process to limit and cut out effective opposition. Now, we can’t have people actually *debating* the merits of a project that is flensing the skin off our planet, transforming northern Alberta into a toxic moonscape, endangering the lands any pipeline will pass through, and dumping gigatons more climate-altering greenhouse carbon into our atmosphere, now can we? There are billions of dollars and several entire additional years of happy motoring at stake!
Never mind the nay-sayers: a genuine political alternative is what we desperately need. That’s why I vote Green.
http://greenparty.ca/
Thanks as always JHK
After 2008, the choose has been to allow for a global collapse, restructuring banks and the move back to sovereignty across the board, and regulations which means rule of law. If Reagan were in office, that’s what he would do and he would raise taxes!!
But that was not to happen.
Instead we got more intrenched in the failure, giving 23 trillion and more to international zombie banks and the dissolution of some countries for the benefit a few kleptocrats. The replacement of elected governing officials to appointed banking technocrats in Italy for instance. (who worked for Goldman Sachs) ‘“All for the sake of the crumbling global growth paradigm. You couldn’t make this stuff up.
The dialog in this country is so far from reality, that the only thing these people can promise is‘ to take us back kicking and scream“ing to a time before the 20th century, in social matters and economic matters. To a panacea of low wages and no unions, regressive economics and revisionist history and of course, don’t forget revanchism–blaming everyone but the guilty.–Let’s blame the victims–they’re so much easier to take the hit.
Yes, Obama is doing what he’s been told to do and that is all, folks. That bill he just signed with signing statements and all will set us up for an unhappy future. I call it Stasi with all its security complex gyrations and xray machines at all travel hubs meets reality TV. Maybe they will show us the camera we can talk to to tell them what we really think.
Billionaires are bankrolling the campaign coffers of the absurd and more absurd, but it is inevitable that the confused Romney will take the nomination. Is he a moderate or is he a right-winger–only his shrink knows for sure—and he’s not saying’
Like a tide taking us further out to sea and further from any recognizable landscape we are entering into a new phase of smoke and mirrors. It’s an illusion built upon sand.
Regarding the question of the viability of “democracy” it needs to be remembered that democracy, so called, was always predicted to fail by aristocratic observers during the 18th and early 19th centuries, when they described it as pandering to the mob. This also begs the question of whether or not there actually has been a real democracy, either here or really anywhere for that matter. And it goes without saying that our current arrangements are not even remotely democratic, but rather blatantly plutocratic.
And then finally, in terms of whether or not any sort of leadership exists to come up with an alternative approach to our problems there is the phenomenon of near all pervasive nostalgia, living in the past, and just plain obliviousness to overcome making it a foregone conclusion that the present system must actually finally collapse beyond a shadow of a doubt before a new consensus can emerge in which everything can be put on the table for reconsideration. The bottom line is that capitalism doesn’t really work, but of course no one wants any sort of “everybody moves to public housing” communism. When I say that capitalism doesn’t work I’m not saying that it doesn’t create new wealth or produce marvelous products and services. What I’m saying is that it functions as a cancer eating the planet so that in the long run nothing will matter because our life support system will be defunct and we’ll all be dead. Then the only question will be the nihilistic one of determining whether once we no longer exist it’ll be the same as if we’d never existed in the first place at all. Actually there will be evidence we did once exist because we’ll have left behind a ruined planet populated chiefly by insects and perhaps small mammals and reptiles.
Great read again, Jim!
You wrote: “…but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain…”
It’s an appropriate phrase, given the correlation between what is going on these days and the illustrations of life in L. Frank Baum’s book, ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.’ The government and the mainstream media would definitely have us NOT paying attention to the man behind the curtain.
Watch the 2010 documentary “The Secret of Oz” for a great explanation of that “children’s” book, and its relevance to what is going on in our financial world today. Hint: We can make our government work for us once again.
And in response to Asoka’s reply of “The Green Party is the Answer,” I say that is rubbish, because the Green Party just does not get the nature of the problem: big banking has taken over governing and established a debt-money system that is slowly enslaving us once again, bringing about a neo-feudalistic state thru debt, inflation, deflation, and outright fraud. We need a new party to answer this dilemma. We need a party of All the People, not just the left wing of the left wing or the right wing of the right wing.
It’s time for a return to our roots as a nation. I suggest you consider The Foundation Party of America. We are the true party of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Jackson, and Lincoln. We oppose debt-money creation (the privately held ‘Fed’) and will dismantle the web of debt the big banks have foisted upon us. We will return America to a true state of independence. We will turn back the tide of Globalization, return to Localization, and diminish the use of so much of the limited crude oil supplies, until a better, more sustainable system can be implemented.
Keep your eyes open for The Foundation Party of America folks. We represent the 100% and we are on your side.
Coming soon to a ballot box near you.
Best,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim
Now in 20-12, the year of increasingly limited foresight, a very few are still able to see as far as 20-20. the fabled year of hindsight.
Here they see the new medium of exchange, authorized and now even issued by the government: -small bags of Cheeze Doodles.
Although a little cumbersome to carry, they have a good shelf life, are immune to further inflation, negate the need for food stamps,
and eliminate the possibility of bank runs.
The government has a new reality/court show to process those
caught attempting to use gold to buy anything. The inevitable
sentence is a high tech guillotine with flashing lights and a laser
beam that separates the criminal’s head in a bloodless instant.
After it falls to the basket, the cameras zoom to face to give millions of eager viewers a view of the facial expression du jour.
What of the headless body? You guessed it – SOYLENT GREEN
Gotta take issue with one detail- the nondrinkers among the Republican candidates (i.e. the Mormons) happen to be the most ideologically moderate among the candidates so although “they’d make good Ayatollahs” is a cute line it actually doesn’t fit.
The notion of the US, or other countries for that matter, devolving into smaller regions seems ever more plausible now than when JHK first wrote about it.
Interested observers might want to take into account a point recently raised on The Automatic Earth about the ‘core’ areas moving to suck ever more life support out of the ‘peripheries’–and even taxing activities like gardening and rainwater harvesting–as people try to throw off the fetters of corporate/government bondage to the terminally ill global financial system.
Aside from jumping ship, as I have done, the strategies of local food systems, reinventing local economies and constantly explaining to your neighbors exactly why you are doing all of this instead of watching TV, seems to be a strategy that can help prepare a bit and maintain sanity at the same time.
Even for those of us who don’t believe in prophesies, looks like 2012 is going to be an interesting year.
All the best from Costa Rica !!!!
puebloverde.org
I watched the debate on MTP yesterday. It was sad, really sad. Romney is clearly going to be the nominee. There was no one else on stage who looked like they even wanted the nod. Gingrich is just there to up his consulting fees. Huntsman see,s like a decent fella. But he has no traction.
To know in January who will get the nomination in August seems like a new wrinkle. 4 years ago Hillary and Barak were neck and neck until June.
All these guys on both sides of the aisle work work for the same company. There is no change. There will be no change. From them at least. They won’t do anything until the dam bursts. And then they’ll stand there with umbrellas. The summer of 2012 could be interesting.
Aimlow Joe was here
http://www.aimlow.com
The national security act is this decade’s McCarthy moment. Along with the Supreme Court’s decision to grant citizenship status to corporations, it marks, I believe, a point-of-no-return in the disintegration of American democracy (a tenuous proposition from the outset). The fact that these two bald betrayals of the nation’s governing premise went largely unchallenged while Justin Bibber’s tattoo made national news, proves the point made by Jesus some two thousand years ago, “the people swallow a camel but choke on a gnat”.
Senor James sez:
“I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won’t be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about “freedom” and “liberty” is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise.”
James H.,
I’m hearing the muted toots of bugles calling for gatherings of The Pissed-Off.
However, they’re rallying around the banner of iron-fisted fascism and status-quo, previous-investment fairy stories. This is where the deluded meet their monstrous new masters (and clasp them fervently to their bosoms), hoping for former ease and comforts, not to mention salvation.
I see massive conflict for the soul of Man and Law. It certainly need not be, but the propaganda has worked its’ magic, convincing “folks” that leaders with a burning fever of monomania are their only recourse to security, rather than an up-from-the-earth practical, plodding approach. (The difference between short-term and long-term thinking becomes glaringly obvious when comparing the “two”. ….And, yes, there’s ALWAYS more than a couple ways to approach any result of predicaments; the only real duality is “to do it” or “not to do it”.)
BTW, the only thing I’m really certain of through my life experience? THERE IS NO SECURITY. (Despite “all-encompassing compassionate hearts” and cobbled-together religiousity that takes cruel advantage of our fearful reaction to Natures awesome whims.)
Soon we’ll hear from the distractionary megaphones of those very fascists, delusionistas, and “warm accepting hearts”.
I call “bullshit” on their steering conversations into the wilderness of irrelevancy, error, and outright insanity. The storm is already here; these are just the first mild gusts at the edge of the front that is The Long Emergency. Git yer mind right, and place yer bets, “folks”, place yer bets…
Torin:
Foundation Party sounds like a promising endeavor. I certainly agree with your criticism of the Greens.
In my view the Greens are just party dedicated to the establishment of a Leftist Police State.
I think our system is too authoritarian already.
Occupy Wall Street already seems quaint. The media seemingly stopped talking about them when the ball dropped in Times Square. Oooh, look, unemployment is down, Obama is up in the polls, it’s 2012, and Lady Gaga is holding court with Dick Clark! It’s party time! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! ;-\ :-O
On the point of the Republican nomination process, it clearly seems to be a race between Romney and Ron Paul. (Santorum seems more like a blip on the radar, just like all the candidates-of-the-day were before him.)
To be honest, both Romney and Paul scare me. Romney scares me for the same reason that any establishment candidate scares me: he supports the status quo (lower taxes, cut spending, foreign wars, etc.). But Paul also scares me in this sense: He advocates a return to the Gold Standard. There are a lot of people who think that returning to a gold standard is a good idea, given the current economic crises around the globe. However, I caution you that such a move will actually make the situation worse. The reason for this is that moving to a commodity-backed currency makes it even EASIER for the Powers That Be (the big banks and their central-bank front operations) to corner the market and establish their control, leading us into greater and greater levels of serfdom.
Just look at the event known as “The Long Depression” of the late 19h Century. The depression was a direct result of the abandonment of the Greenback and silver coinage, which were more plentiful to the People. As well, look at the recession of 1919-20 and the Great Depression. Both occurred while the US was under a gold standard. And history shows that it was when the British Parliament insisted that all taxes be paid in gold and silver from the Colonies that such a depression set in to actually cause the American Revolution.
And if you need more contemporary examples: who are the biggest purchasers of gold these days? Central banks. And who is the single largest holder of gold today? The International Monetary Fund (IMF).
Don’t be fooled into supporting Ron Paul, folks. While his rhetoric might sound like a breath of fresh air to people fed up with the establishment, his solution of a gold standard will play right into the hands of the Money Changers and make your life even worse than it has become.
It’s time we took the power of money creation and put it back in the hands of the government as a service to the People, not as a profit mechanism for a few plutocrats!
Look for The Foundation Party of America. We are new, but we have the right message for the right time.
Best,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim
With the coming collapse of the world economy, where is a good safe haven if there is one? I don’t think the US will be safe by summertime…
“And then finally, in terms of whether or not any sort of leadership exists to come up with an alternative approach to our problems there is the phenomenon of near all pervasive nostalgia, living in the past, and just plain obliviousness to overcome making it a foregone conclusion that the present system must actually finally collapse beyond a shadow of a doubt before a new consensus can emerge in which everything can be put on the table for reconsideration.” -BHM
Unfortunately, that’s how I see things “shaking out” as well.
Thoughtful addendum to JHK’s commentary. Thanks.
In my view the Greens are just party dedicated to the establishment of a Leftist Police State.
Care to justify that claim?
why do you folks even put up with the untied states? people left england for the freer US at the time, well get up and leave again…
peace peaceniks
JHK
IF we end up as cell mates in the FEMA gulag, bring earplugs. I unfortunately sleep-snore loudly, which will probably be deemed a waterboarding offense by our corrupt, cheating, lying disengenuous shill executive branch and non-existent judicial branch.
The upside is I have plenty of in-date cheese doodles and I share.
tick, tick, tick, tick….
Today’s post revisits Jim’s question/observation of what will happen when it is discovered that our political institutions are INCAPABLE of dealing with current reality and that really is a very disturbing conclusion.
D. Orlov from yesterday:
“Electioneering in the US is steadily expanding to fill more and more time and space even as it provides worse and worse results with each election cycle. The Congress is made of some of the least popular people on earth, who are manifestly incapable of achieving anything useful. They do seem quite ready and willing to pass laws that erode human rights and enhance the powers of the police state, but this is because they are paranoid. Perhaps their one point of consensus is that sooner or later their constituents will want to open fire on them.”
Yes, I believe that Diebold will provide a fair result, don’t you? And the oligarchs will hand-select the very finest of “public servants”. C’mon, where’s your faith? ;o)
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/01/dance-of-marionettes.html
The only hope is Occupy and here in Chicago we look forward to the coming G8 protest. Also, thanks for saying “normality” instead of the idiotic “normalcy.”
JHK..I have been reading your blog for some time now and while I believe with you that the US & (the world in genral)is on it’s way to the worst comeuppence in history, I believe it all for another reason.
While it is not fashionable to admit this here, I am a Christian, and I truly believe that we are on the course of the last days as Biblically defined in Daniel & Revelation. The world is hurtling & lurching towards a disaster. A well-seen disaster that few are willing to acknowledge.
Serious Christian scholars of Biblical prophecy find absolutely no reference to the USA in end times prohecy. There are however references to Europe, Russia, China and of course the Middle East. So what happens to the USA? Where did it go?
Very possibly we find that answer in the complete economic crash of the USA. Very little would cause more instability in this world than a full blowout of the US economy. It would tip over all the rest of the dominos.
I believe that we have run out of time and the return of Jesus Christ is very close as the world & man play out the last hand.
I know many here will hoot & laugh at my comments. However it costs me nothing to believe this, and I, along with thousands of others believe it deeply.
Peace to all….
ABSALOM,
Its ‘not for nothing’ Ehero called you
‘A COOKIE CUTTER DOOFUS WITH —- FOR A BRAIN’
Here are some of the facts and figures he refused to cite.
Remember what the Media called the Race Riots of the 1960s-70s?
They weren’t ‘Race Riots’, They were Black Riots!
[FROM ‘SBPDL’ / city-data dot com]:
General population versus prison population of Blacks for leading states.
Article cites Iowa as having only a 2% overall Black population while maintaining a 24% Black prison population.
Delaware (12.6X) and Minnesota (12.3X) are the only ones to beat Iowa (12.0X) for over-representation of Blacks in prison versus the general population.
But, think of it, Whites are being hunted by animals.
30,000 black rapes of whites annually.
180,000 whites killed by blacks since 1965. [1 in 6? Murders black on white]
Over 50 whites killed weekly by blacks.
Compare that to the 3,500 hangings of blacks since the civil war ..
Let’s look at some stats in Atlanta. According to city-data dot com Atlanta’s population is 519145. On Average, there are about 149 murders per year in Atlanta (4.5 times the national average).
Atlanta murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com:
1999 – 143. 2000 – 134. 2001 – 144. 2002 – 152. 2003 – 149. 2004 – 112. 2005 – 90. 2006 – 110. 2007 – 129. 2008 – 105. 2009 – 80.
Let’s check out Portland, OR with a population of 550396. Portland, with a population over 31,251 more than Atlanta, has about 27 murders on average.
Portland murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com.
GUESS WHAT! MOST OF THEM WERE COMMITTED BY… WAIT FOR IT… BLACKS!
1999 – 35. 2000 – 19. 2001- 21. 2002 – 20. 2003 – 27. 2004 – 29. 2005 – 20. 2006 – 20. 2007 – 22. 2008 – 26. 2009 – 19.
Portland and Atlanta demographics compared:
Portland = 76% white, only about 7% black
Atlanta = 31% white, 61% black.
Now let’s compare Seattle with Washington DC!
Compare and contrast! All data from city-data dot com.
Washington DC Population in July 2009: 599,657.
Murders in DC in 2009: 143
King County WA, Population in July 2009: 617,334.
Murders in Seattle in 2009: 22
Demographics:
Washington DC: 52.7% black
Seattle WA: 6.8% black
The final nail in the coffin of Black-run Detroit is being put in place. Black-run Washington D.C., where financial mismanagement, corruption, high crime rates, horrible schools, and economic stagnation was ultimately saved by white people usurping freedom from elected [duplicitous] Black officials in the mid-90s.
The Wall Street Journal put together a list of the best-run and worst-run of 2011 and, well, it broke down along racial lines again. Majority Black cities, where high rates of crime are endemic, ensure that you are on the worst list. Remember, your elected officials come from this class too.
So, with the impending collapse of the city once dubbed “the arsenal of Democracy” we can safely surmise that freedom truly failed once Detroit’s future was in the hands of Black people.
There’s your answer Rep. Conyers. Then again, you should have known Black people were incapable of running a city when the wheels of your government leased Cadillac Escalde were stolen in front of your home:
First, the son of U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) was forbidden from using dad’s taxpayer-leased Cadillac Escalade. Now, it looks like nobody else will be driving the fancy SUV real soon either, not after a thief stole the wheels off of the vehicle.
According to news reports, a Conyers staffer confirmed that the wheels had been stolen yesterday while the vehicle was parked in front of the congressman’s home on the west side of Detroit.
Detroit’s collapse is 100 percent racial, for the same reason that Pittsburgh’s ascension is 100 percent racial.
ten worst run cities,
none had a non-Hispanic White majority.
America’s worst run cities
#1 Miami FL
11.9% Non-Hispanic White
19.2% black
70.0% Hispanic or Latino
#2 Detroit MI
7.8% Non-Hispanic White
82.7% black
6.8% Hispanic or Latino
#3 Newark NJ
26.3% White
52.4% black
33.8% Hispanic or Latino
#4 San Bernardino CA
45.6% White
15.0% black
4.0% Asian
60.0% Hispanic or Latino
#5 Cleveland OH
33.4% non-Hispanic White
53.3% black
10.0% Hispanic or Latino
#6 Stockton CA
37.0% White
12.2% black
21.5% Asian
40.3% Hispanic or Latino
#7 St. Louis MO
43.9% White
49.2% black
#8 Fresno CA
49.6% White
8.3% black
46.9% Hispanic
12.6% Indian
#9 North Las Vegas, NV
47.4% White
19.9% black
38.8% Hispanic or Latino
#10 Hialeah, FL
4.2% non-Hispanic White
94.7% Hispanic or Latino
(Wikipedia and US Census Bureau were sources)
Detroit’s failure is inexplicably a source of confusion
Jan 7th, 2012 by Unamused
The city of Detroit, Michigan is 83% black. This simple fact has many interesting consequences. For example, in May 2011, CBS Detroit reported that nearly half the city cannot read. (Curiously, the photo accompanying the article depicts a white person. No explanation is given.)
According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.
WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said
Lurker :
Rep. John Conyers (D) apparently intoned:
“How come all of the jurisdictions put under emergency management are majority African American? Has anybody noticed that?”
Hahahahaha. No dinky, you’re the first. Coz every time I watch a Hollywood movie I see African-Americans in there, and not just African-Americans, but African-Americans who are scientists, heroes, Nobel laureates, doctors, and medical researchers, and they’re all very, very wise, and they’re teaching values to some whiteyboy Keanu Reeves, so I thought that’s how it is in real life; after all, all we see in movies is true, right? Why would they lie to us. Every one of them is “based on real story” after all.
And remember the Corporate Media BLAMES WHITES WHEN THEY FLEE THE CARNAGE, CALLING IT ‘WHITE FLIGHT’
See: WORLDSTAR HIPHOP.COM
Thanks to CocCC.org for:
Meanwhile in the Whitehouse:
The media is censoring what goes on at the White House to protect the Obama family from a massive backlash.
Millions of dollars are being spent on the extravagant parties and constant vacations held by the Obama family.
Back in 2009, Obama threw an “Alice in Wonderland” party at the White House. Hollywood stars Tim Burton and Johnny Depp were hired to put on the party. The party also featured the original Chewbacca from Star Wars.
Despite their major celebrity status, Burton and Depp agreed to keep their participation a secret. Imagine how much they must have paid these mega stars to get confidentiality agreements.
The extravagant and outlandish behavior of the Obama family is actually worse than the “racist” depiction of black politicians in the movie Birth of A Nation.
Meanwhile in Eurabia:
Oslo, Norway is one of the most dangerous cities in Europe. Liberal policies there have lead them to take in every refugee from anywhere in the world.
Oslo has a higher crime rate than New York. It is a dangerous city that will soon be comparable to Detroit.
Police, Fire, and Emergency workers can’t even enter many areas of Oslo without being attacked by the foreign population.
Norway is going down the tubes. Total surrender to ‘ BRA’ and Saracen-Run Europe in Norway.
AND REMEMBER THE GANGS IN MALMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want you can Google :
‘Memorial for Lovell Mixon’ !
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ALSO
1….Don Levit
‘From my understanding, Jews have been kicked out of virtually every country in the world.’
[well except Israel!!! And USA, Canada etc]
YES, WHAT DID THEY DO TO BE SO DISLIKED, UNIVERSALLY?
EVERYTHING HAS A CAUSE, REASON OR REASONS.
2….Maybe rename yrself ARCHIES BUNKER..
Best post of the first week of 2012/CFN:
Archie Bunker replied to comment from Vlad Krandz | January 3, 2012 1:59 PM
‘Since I currently live in northwestern Mexico (formerly Southern California), I have to agree about the invasion of my former homeland by Mexican nationals and the effects on my immediate surroundings….’ [advice: Archie, get a bunker]
Dale:
‘dale replied to comment from Vlad Krandz | January 5, 2012 11:48 AM | Reply
BTW Vlad, I walked into one of the units I managed once where there were about 5-6 tatted up, boot wearing, ‘skins’ listening to some white power rock about ‘killin niggas’. I just looked over at them and said “turn that crap off”’
If they had been Blacks no one would ever had heard from you again.
Self Hatreds an amazing thing!
Vlad:
‘I told Prog about the 1.2 million legal immigrants coming here every year. He didn’t believe me but acutally bothered to look it up – which is all I ever ask’
[USA adds 6 million new people a year and 3 million die.]
Vlad, you might enjoy ‘BARUCH, MY STORY’ He writes of his familys homestead and what had been the slaves quarters.
Ehero :‘For example, I insist that ALL races are racist.’
READ ‘THE DARK SIDE OF MAN’, It may be genetic
Rhino ‘Asoka you have the sound of a man that does not actually believe ONE FUCKING THING that he says. …!!!!
sez asoka: ‘Rhino, I am beyond embarrassment.’
Anyone have info on Hamas and its links to Drug Cartels in Tijuana?????
Wage, I support yr right to post whatever you want here. I am for free speech.
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[I have to stay away from this dang time waste, not enuff ‘HOW TO SURVIVE PEAK EVERYTHING INFO’, Or, perhaps we cant survive peak everything.]
“Citizens United” marked the point of new return. Corporations held sway before that, but SCOUTUS handed the keys of the kingdom to them with that decision and said, “Drive as fast as you want, don’t worry about street signs or lights and oh, by the way, feel free to drive drunk!”
The “elections” are now just a dance, nicely choreographed by the Super PACS.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/world/europe/amid-economic-strife-greeks-look-to-farming-past.html?hp
As predicted…back to the farm when the financial situation becomes overwhelming…
“A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum?”
–This dearth of ideas will not be obvious at all to the masses of subscribers. Myriad specious ones will inundate and rally Ameribots as these candidates engage in their usual chicanery, ignoring real problems while rallying the bots with junkfood issues like preserving marriage, ridding gays from the military, defending against an illusory war on religion and saving us from those who’d take away our guns and weigh us down with pointless regulations (I mean who needs clean air and water anyway? I know, right!).
Sad but true as usual James. Though again, as usual, the timeline is probably way too aggressive. We’ll likely be surprised at how long this whole scenario takes to play out as common fixations on notions long departed collectively serve as the ultimate conservatism. It will probably take a shock to the system, most likely in the form of a natural disaster, to shake people out of the trees. And then, there’s the remote possibility that people might actually awake to an entirely unfamiliar world that had been silently gestating during their slumber.
http://www.Thesisa.org/
This is the long-term direction of life in North America, by the way – a breakup into small autonomous governing units. – JHK
That’s my question – nothing lasts forever so what shape will it take? I think there’s some outlines coming into view ie I heard that 87% of Republican votes in the last Presidential election came from the states of the old confederacy.
So maybe, when the Washington bureaucracy no longer has the will or the military or financial wherewithal to exert its power there, that’s one chunk that will break away on its own. Maybe California is another. 38 million people makes a fair sized country by itself.
There’s another possible scenario: who will be the American Romulus Augustulus and who will be the American Odovacar, the last American President and the General who shoos him out of Washington and into permanent retirement.
Maybe there will be a rump country left, a group of die hard states calling themselves the United States of America, maybe clustered on the eastern seaboard, governed from Washington DC, while other de-facto independent countries are governed from regional capitols ie Chicago.
Hell you don’t even have to think about it on the conscience level. It is just so. And so much fun to observe it. There really are no secrets in the universes. Everything is right before you in plain sight.
What these sanctimonious pricks don’t realize they are doing is destroying the very legitimacy of the idea that we’re capable of governing ourselves per se.
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That’s the money line.
NOTHING is an accident. Everything is planned. JHK, you’ve correctly diagnosed the setup. But what you have not done is follow the money, and you have not identified the puppet masters behind puppet show. I know you say you are allergic to conspiracy talk, and that you don’t subscribe to the NWO global imperialist “conspiracy”. But you’re an intelligent person, and I’m sure sooner or later you’ll recognize the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is that the Vatican and their Jesuit Order has been fighting a war against The Protestant Reformation and The Enlightenment for many years, decades, and centuries. After it has lost the 30 years war, the Vatican assumed a more clandestine posture and has been using its banking agents, its agents in various corporations, its agents in the various Secret Services, to implement its war objectives against Christian “heretics” and the Jews. Once you understand this, you will have a new perspective on history. A perspective that will now make sense of the contradictory facts that do not fit the official propaganda or official narrative of history.
A long time ago I was involved in establishing the first Green Party in North America. The major initial funding that enabled the office, phones, etc. came from an airline pilot and a surgeon.
The whole point of the effort was provide a political place for the “left” and “right” to come together without the inherited bullshit inherent in the prevalent political postures.
In Canada our leaders purport to belong be “Conservative” but really they are a radical party, promoters of the foul Tar sands projects and, despite their claimed christianity, ever eager for war and the purchase of expensive weaponry from their friends.
The Green party is a conservative party that recognizes that all facets of life happen within our environment, dinking with monetary systems or arguing about foundational principles or beliefs are a useless waste of time.
The Green Party still has the potential to be the political place for those who care to vote for what matters.
JHK, I bet you and I are the only ones here who know who “Parson Weems” is without a Googling. I’d go a bit further in the Old Southwest’s stable of writers to find the ones for our times.
Try on George Washington Harris and Johnson Jones Hopper for size. They have us some memorable stereotypes for dangerous American bumpkins and rubes: your Brother Jobe without the charm.
We have a lot of GOP-lovin’ Sutt Lovingoods and Simon Sugges running about, pretending to be “edumakated”: potentially violent con-men and thugs, just waiting for their rancid moment to come. And the ever flaccid Obama may just give it to them.
…someone talks about the “coffee party”, somebody else talks about the “foundation party” and then has the balls to say it represents the 100%! I guarantee you your silly “clubs” don’t represent me. This country is going to split up into smaller parts exactly as Jim predicts. Look at modern Africa and Mexico if you want to see whats coming. Just what makes this country worth saving anyway? I have no children so I really don’t care what happens anymore but at least I can be objective about it. People can’t even come to grips with their own mortality but they think they can save others from themselves! Every human that has ever lived or is alive now is flawed in some way, which is why no system of governance has ever lasted and why the cycle of war never ends. Hell is other people.
You’re back huh bud?
For the record St Louis murder rate went down, it went from three a day, to maybe only two a day, with the gang bangers shit bags doing almost all of it.
Good luck to you in using facts, figures and logic to argue with Mr and Mrs J Evil Stupid Fuck.
I don’t seem to care for it.
Caleb Temple
I hope the liberals don’t bitch too much that somebody had to bring race up!
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I agree with you all the way. One thing I do wonder about though, is, when will it become too dangerous to be caught reading blogs like this? The thought police are out there, they just need a little more time.
Note: Paul Craig Roberts out did himself with a great description of exactly where we find ourselves today:
http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-dismal-economic-outlook-for-the-new-year
This describes our state of democracy or facism, the lies told to the American people and the way off-shoring and globalism has destroyed the middle class. All this for a few bankers and corporatists.
It describes the NDAA as the repudiation the constitution. [the demise of the Constitution, the product of a eight hundred year struggle that produced Anglo-American civil liberty, is worth the price of “safety.”]
“…sincere doubts about the climate change “story?””
I know of no one who doubts that the climate changes. It does so daily, continually, at all points of the compass. The only “story” is that the very vapor that man exhales is the cause. And that little “story” is a fucking fairy tale.
Now be quiet and stroll down to the little store in your town square and try and purchase a clue.
Line of the week:
“There is an inverse relationship between the seriousness of these times and the laughable personalities vying for a place in history.”
Yep, amid world shaking economic crises, relentlessly accelerating climate changes and the death of the American middleclass dream we are presented with “the unloading of the clown car” for new leadership prospects. Sheesh.
But what can we expect from a country that is willing to contaminate its own aquifers with heavy metals and carcinogens in order to squeeze out a few more drops of its drug of choice. America is an energy junkie, its skin cracked and teeth rotting, oblivious to its decrepitude, waving its pistol around the Middle East streets and babbling like a madman. It is willing to ignore the radiation raining down on its farmland, even reducing the monitoring, in order to support the crack-pipe dream of nuclear power.
We are in very deep denial on a number of fronts. The contest is going to be between those demanding a New Deal and those who will insist upon a resurrection of the Old Deal, even at the cost of Corporate Fascism and the complete elimination of liberty and free speech. So far it looks like most are willing to accept that prospect if they can keep their piggish lifestyles – which they won’t, BTW.
“What voices will resolve out of the phenomenal noise of gadget America, with its deafening tweets, incessant advertising, instant messaging, idiotic robo-calling, and ever-present flat-screen assault on the senses? ”
This from a man whose site advertises a trip to Vegas so I can see Blue Man Group, Tweet about or get a “free” download of one of his books or read his blog on my Kindle (sorry, don’t have or want one).
Ah, OK…I guess. Sounds slightly hypocritical but what the fuck.
JHK,
Excellent article, as is usually the case.
We are all of us slaves to our own psychologies, to our own delusions, denial and willful ignorance.
Your fantasy of a revolution against corrupt aristocracy is a major longshot, even in the best of times in the days of upslope before Peak Liberty, and doubly unrealistic given the extraordinary power of modern techniques of mass psychology, advertising, and PR, to deceive and contol most of the people most of the time.
I have to admit, it’s a nice fantasy. Gives me the old 1776 warm fuzzies just to think about it. But 1776 was the end-product of a century or two of the Enlightenment as well as 1000 years of Medieval Chrstian madness spurring them forward, and whatever we are going through now is the very opposite of the enlightenment, and is a result of centuries of relative human progress that generally reduced by large amounts day-to-day unnecessary suffering and injustice in the world (even though, overall, a dent was barely made and now we regress back so swiftly)
The Endarkment? Or will a simple “Dark Ages” suffice? Maybe it’s all about the idea that humanity, like water, constantly seeks it’s base evolutionary level.
Again I say, the most likely way 21st Century RW Corporate Socialism will ultimately go, in one form or another, will be the way it’s predecessor, 1930s German RW National Socialism went, albeit with excellent PR, plausible deniability, and of course, a unique American flair: “Love American Style”, the sociopaths’ plausibly deniable love, cooing soft gentle words to their victims while setting them up to die, then letting them die.
Think the Native Americans. Think the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina, writ 1000000 times larger.
Doomer paranoia? No more absurd than your putting Michael Bloomberg, that poster child for the 0.01% Callous Corrupt Aristocracy Gang, forward as a potential “national savior”.
I assume you missed or stared straight through his First Amendment comments as his cops were sweeping out the upstart rabble of Occupy.
“There is no ambiguity in the law here. The First Amendment protects speech. It does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space.”
http://restoringtruthiness.org/8081/mayor-bloomberg-ows-amendment-protects-speech-assembly
I also assume it is abundantly clear to you the massively transparent Big Lie Bloomberg promulgated by utterly ignoring the easily verifiable second part of the First Amendment that he purposefully omitted (either that or he is less educated in civics than a 5th grader, which is highly unlikely).
You remember that part…you know, the right to freely assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances.
Why did he leave it out? Likely, because Bloomberg knows that his Big Lie works just as well as it did when RW Corporate Socialism was in it’s much more brutally virulent 1930s Germanic form.
And THIS is the man you would tout as a savior? Who either doesn’t know the First Amendment or doesn’t mind lying to we upstart rabble about it, knowing that most Americans cannot or will not be able to discern a Big Lie, particularly when it comes from aristocratic authority.
Knowing beyond that, even if he is caught in the Big Lie, it will simply be lost in the nonsense of the cacophonous carnival of 21st Century National Dialog, which itself has literally obliterated the very concept of objective facts from the National Mind.
Sadly, I assume you are like the rest of us, able to look straight through facts which don’t conform to your view of the world, or your personal ego and, ahem, tribal affiliations.
Not that it makes you and yours substantially different from anyone else and theirs, in case you think I am singling you and yours for race or religion-based criticism. Nope. Just saying you and yours are at bottom, not very different from those “mean, dumb Teabaggers” you (and I)frequently deride.
To put it another way, by the same logic that Smart Phones don’t automatically make people smart, a centuries-long PR program presenting people as the most conscience-stricken, moral people on Earth doesn’t make it so. Not even close. Even if it was true at one time, it sure ain’t anymore. Power corrupts, James. No race, creed, color, or religion is immune.
See B’Tselem’s website for further information. As a longtime supporter of Israel who’s eyes were gradually opened by the building of the Great Wall of Israel, the murder of Rachel Corrie, the grotesquely lopsided “shooting fish in a barrel” barbarities of 2006 and 2008, with this lovely Israeli Army T-Shirt
http://trendsupdates.com/current-fashion-rage-among-israeli-soldiers-t-shirts-with-images-of-dead-palestinian-babies-and-messages-like-one-shot-two-kills%E2%80%9D/
as sort of a cherry on top, seeing the tiny sliver of actual conscience-stricken Israelis (the same tiny sliver that seems to exist in every society, no more) helped me understand that despising Israel’s increasingly brutal lying barbarity, torture and murder was NOT simply a case of hateful, carping anti-semitism, as is nearly universally framed by Israel’s numerous defenders (including the Christian Zionist Teabaggers, for the most part)
http://www.btselem.org
I say again, it doesn’t matter whether there is a globe-spanning conpiracy of multicultural aristocracy, Bliderberg-style, or this whole thing is 100% completely unintentional and uncoordinated at the top 0.01%, due to the psychology of collapse, both mass and individual, the trends, outcomes and analyses are nearly identical.
In other words, as the ponzi scheme fully peters out within the next 20-50 years and the true suffering/horror of contraction begins, it doesn’t matter whether Bilderberg is just a harmless yearly gathering of fun in the sun or a malevolent tightly interwoven conspiracy of aristocratic lunatic “gods”, because the universal aristocratic self-interest to keep power and rank even on the sinking Titanic would compel them to behave, the closer to true collapse and major unrest, exactly AS IF there was a malevolent tightly interwoven conspiracy of aristocratic lunatic “gods”.
You’ll see.
The Green Party doesn’t understand that the control of money creation is essential to a functioning democratic society?
Clearly, you know nothing about the Green Party, or its position on money creation.
http://www.monetary.org/
I suggest that you check out the website, note that the Green Party has been on this issue for years, and refrain from slandering us anymore.
Serious People abandoned Obama years ago. Smart people never voted for him to begin with. I mean he was a Racist – obvious from his writings (probably done by Ayers) and going to Jeremiah Wright’s Church for twenty years. Yet Whites who pride themselves on not being Racist voted for him. So such people have neither consistency and decency, nor ordinary commonsense and a desire for self preservation.
And Jill Stein, who is running for President for the Green Party, ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2010.
Like Howie Hawkins in New York, Rich Whitney in Illinois, and Laura Wells of California, Jill Stein had a plan for a North Dakota-like State Bank in her platform.
We do, indeed, understand that a debt-based monetary system is unsustainable, just like a profit-based economic system is unsustainable, because exponential debt or exponential growth are both impossible in a closed environment.
Sooner or later, something has to give.
In the bank system, the 99% have to give.
In the economic system, the ecosystem has to give.
So we’re watching mass impoverishment of the people in the economic ststem, and mass extinction of plants and animals in the ecosystem.
I’m still of the mind that this presidential election will play out similar to the last few. I don’t foresee a major third party candidate and I think plenty of the population will rally around their party’s candidate. It will be crazed and stressful, people will be proclaiming the end of the world if their candidate isn’t elected, and each nominee will blame the other’s party as well as some foreigners for this country’s problem. Glorious days will be promised if the population just pulls the right lever.
No doubt there will be some good protests and rowdiness, and that will probably provide the most unique element of this election. But otherwise it will go down much as normal. In the meantime, this country will just keep falling apart, poverty will become more widespread and most people will keep trying to ignore those facts. That’s what I’ve been writing about over at my blog, that we all need to learn to live in poverty since most of us are headed there anyway. Better to be as in control of that process as possible.
One good wild card is an attack on Iran. I’d be shocked if this happened–I just don’t think Obama’s ready to go there yet and I can’t see how it wouldn’t skyrocket oil prices and provide a body slam to our economy, while simultaneously destroying what’s left of Obama’s support amongst the Democratic base. But, then again, I would never rule it out and god knows even progressives are willing to rally around a good war. I do worry about that path being taken in the next few years.
A couple good disasters tied up with environmental degradation, energy acquisition and climate change may find their way into our lives this year, too. That could mix things up. Should be an interesting year, if a less than apocalyptic one.
Joel
At last the People begin to awaken from the sleep of the 20th Century. Way back when people knew about Conspiracies. How not since our Founders were Conspirators – good ones? The Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America via the Bank of England. Such Anglophiles were present from the very begining and wanted to set up a Central American Bank just like England’s.
Likewise, they were very afraid of the Illuminati infiltrating the Masonic Lodges as they did in France – which lead to the French Revolution. The horrors of which cured Franklin and Jefferson of their lingering Romanticism. The Russian Communists loved the personalities and tortures techniques of the French Revolution. The considered themselves their “spiritual” successors. Yes, Monsters both.
Now you have to study what the Founders believed about Race and you are Home.
Jim and all the gang
Yes Jim, we do appear to be in a breathless waiting period. The future is clouded and obscured by the continued spewing of bullshit from the MSM, gov’mint and political hacks. But really they can’t continue to hide the little monsters of economic and social collapse much longer. Those two unruly personages are getting restless and rowdy in the national closet they are hidden in. They want to break out and explode with a vengeance into the open. Not even the advent of an Iranian conflict will keep them out of sight much longer.
Ron Paul continues to speak contrary to the consensus being pushed by both wings of the War party. That at least is a glimpse of hope, he discusses taboo subjects, like peace, reducing our bloated military and he advocates individual liberties as articulated in the Constitution. So even though many doubt he can prevail, his persistent and growing stature is a victory in and of itself. As I have said before, I disagree with some of his positions, but really he is the only pol with alternative ideas at this perilous moment.
I look for a moment of truth to occur very soon. March seems to be appropriately being targetted by those who attempt to follow ongoing trends. This is fitting as Ceasar could tell us, the Ides of March loom ahead. I have no idea what form this apocalypse( unveiling) will take, but look forward eagerly to the moment in horrified fascination. What will be revealed? Who will pay the price for the global misery, poverty and despair that has been imposed on all countries? Stay tuned, because in all probability this revolution of truth will be televised.
loveday
Attention ! Do not worry. Do not look behind the so called curtain. The Psychopaths are in full control. You just aren’t privy to the nuances of their plan. Everything is as it should be.
I repeat, the Psychopaths are in full control.
Be quiet, be happy. Go back to sleep.
People smart enough to set up this system of enrichment are smart enough to know that it has a time limit. Obviously America is meant to propel them to World Dominance and then once used up, fall back to Earth like one of the fuel stages of the old Apollo rockets.
Shame on Americans for being stupid enough to let it happen. Vote Ron Paul who will at least try to audit the Fed and get to the bottom of it.
I’m sure the Elite have contingency plans. If it all falls apart they will be prepared to emerge from their shelters fully armed and in communication with each other. They intend to be the biggest kids on the block and recreate a medevial type civilization with themselves as the Lords and Ladies. America gave up on Civil Defence decades ago. Compare America with Switzerland which has shelters for every Citizen. The Citizen Soldiers of Switzerland fully intend to emerge from their shelters and defeat any invading force.
Your ignorance is truly astounding.
Clearly, you also know nothing about the Greens.
The Four Key Values include Grassroots Democracy.
Hancock,
Good post. Doesn’t matter what drives the beast, only that it is a beast and we are in affect the micro-organisms on its back.
It’s like what I say about state owned monopolies or corporate monopolies, it’s all the same when you have no choices.
I think of the slow collapse as an event horizon, how big it is is anyone’s guess.
If these “protesters” act as individuals, it has a chance of effecting change. If they act as a group with leadership, it will be smashed. This is our government’s specialty.
(a) What you’re describing is weather, not climate.
(b) Arguing that increasing the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air cannot be harmful because human beings exhale it is as stupid as arguing that wetting the bed is normal because human beings excrete urine routinely. A waste product is a waste product. What matters is the balance of atmospheric CO2 between plants and animals, and how it affects retention of solar radiation.
(c) On the Internet, clues are free:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report
You won’t even have to get out of your chair.
It’s tough to see how the European financial crisis resolves itself.
Seems to me that the different versions of how to fix it is some variation of German taxpayers transfering a portion of their wealth and income to PIIGS countries so they don’t blow the place up – which ain’t gonna fly with the good German townspeople.
Or it involves Italian and Greek politicians taking orders from German bureaucrats on how much they can spend – which ain’t gonna fly either.
So I think this “fiscal union” that Eurocrats keep talking about is a fairy tale that sooner or later runs into local political realities.
The graduates of the high falutin European grandes ecoles des hautes etudes (that really fucked things up) can fantasize all they want about how to fix things but the man in the square, be it in Germany or Greece or Italy, with his rocks and bricks and bottles will show the big thinkers what’s what.
It is very strange that so many Americans see so clearly that corporate domination of our political system is leading us into doom, and that the two corporate parties are unsalvageable, and that we need another choice, but…
If I point out that the Green Party has in its platform (from 20 years ago) that we don’t accept corporate cash, and that we are committed to living in a sustainable, democratic, just society, the objection invaribly is…
“You’re not viable”. Or “You’re not serious”.
And just what defines viability or seriousness?
Why, corporate money, of course. And corporate media exposure.
Why do so few people see this?
We need to be wary of JHK’d sudden disappearance.
His not so veiled calls for public violence as a response to our dysfunctional national leadership could be construed as supporting terra-ism under the new national security law thereby making him a candidate for being seized, incarcerated, and never to be heard from again.
BTW, great Eyesore for January. At long last, could we finally discontinue all government and private loans and grants for people who want to major in Planning? Divert the funds to people getting degrees in fine arts, English and philosophy. At least those poor souls are only screwing themselves.
“Why did he leave it out? Likely, because Bloomberg knows that his Big Lie works just as well as it did when RW Corporate Socialism was in it’s much more brutally virulent 1930s Germanic form.”
1930’s Nazi Germany was FL far left….(big government kontrol, regulations, subsidized welfare programs (think Autobahn and big military spending))….Far Right is close to anarchy and very small and limited Government……Zieg!!!
One of your better posts, Jim.
In the novel I’m working on, one piece of back story is that the US/Canada breaks up into about several different blocs – the Confederate States (renamed the Free Republic of America), which eventually also captures Maryland, about half of Pennsylvania and Ohio, all of Indiana except around Gary, and half of Illinois, and extends west to the Texas border. West Texas itself becomes the anchor of the Western Alliance, a confederacy that includes most of the Rocky Mountain states, and is more or less allied with the FRA. Southwest Texas, NM, Arizona south of Scottsdale, California up to Monterey become El Norte, a Mexican-American hybrid state.
The American Union extends northward from the expanded Mason-Dixon line, and even there you have an uneasy alliance between the Midwest and the Northeast, ultimately breaking down into the Maritime Alliance that ends up integrating New England with Eastern Canada, with its capital in Toronto and its largest city being Boston, and Lincoln, with it’s capital in Chicago and encompassing the Midwest. New York City, New Jersey and Connecticut become the New York Alliance. The West Coast from Monterey North and west of the Rockies becomes Cascadia, incorporating the Canadian coastal cities of Vancouver, Victoria, and Alaska’s Anchorage, Juneau and Kodiak. Hawaii becomes a Japanese protectorate.
This is of course, pure speculation, but it most closely matches the geopolitical nations that exist today. The divide between “conservative” and “liberal” doctrine fairly closely aligns with these regions, with the conservatives for the most part echoing beliefs that really haven’t changed that much in more than two hundred years, echoing the old plantation era/southern aristocratic belief system, while the collectivist and communal approach of New England clearly mirrors the strong community orientations of the Pilgrims, Puritans and Quakers that founded the various northeastern states, as well as the Scandinavian, German and Norwegian immigrants into the Midwest. Jim’s call towards returning to community roots is New England at it’s purest.
The Western Alliance reflects a strong religious ethos and a deep seated libertarianism that reflects the region’s background as a corporate vassal state (and the inhabitants corresponding distrust of government, which was all too often used punitively against the little guy by a corrupt corporate state), El Norte is a re-establishment of the Mestiso-dominated Spanish Empire holdings, while Cascadia reflects the polyglot culture of San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver, which has an increasingly mixed-Asian face, a strong entrepreneurial orientation and a strong environmental awareness (in the book, this eventually becomes the Arcology of Cascadia).
I don’t believe a full police state can ever be enacted over the United States in toto – the pressure would cause the country to break apart into its regional nations first, because a police state also exists to exert a value system upon its populace, and the value systems between regions are just too different. A police state in Oakland is very different from one in Chicago, New York, Atlanta or Denver.
This obviously won’t happen tomorrow, but I’d say it will likely happen within the next forty years, especially if peak oil does in fact prove out. The established oligarchy is already collapsing – as evidenced by the increasingly desperate measures being taken to manage the status quo. Increased state controls are a manifestation of that collapse, but the more heterogeneous the population, the harder it is to prevent rebellion, and the US population is one of the most heterogeneous on the planet. We will devolve into civil war first.
Here’s another view. It’s from an article in the New York Times which itself draws on an article in the journal Science:
“In the very long term, the ability to artificially warm the climate, particularly the Arctic, could be seen as a boon as the planet’s shifting orientation to the Sun enters a phase that could initiate the next ice age.” – NY Times
This is the link with the journal Science:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5945/1236.abstract
So which is more disastrous? Global warming? Or an ice age which is not a figment of a fevered right wing imagination as we’ve been through a sequence of ice ages interspersed with warmer inter-glacial periods (like the one we’re in now) in the last two million years.
I’ve read that the last ice age ended about 10 thousand years ago. They say that at its peak the northern hemishere was encased in ice sheets about two miles thick ie several million cubic miles of ice that lowered sea levels by several hundred feet.
Now if you can imagine what a new glacial onset would do to the global food supply with breadbaskets like North American prairies and the European steppes getting progressively colder and ultimately under several thousand feet of glacial ice…
So I leave it to you… which is worse?
Personally I have no earthly idea.
It is strange, indeed. I find that Americans are so hypnotized by the assumptions of their locked-down two-party system that they are effectively immunized against the first prerequisite of a meaningful solution: a viable alternative to the Republicans and Democrats. Competitive third parties are a threat to their duopoly, so the incumbent parties have locked them out with arcane rules, and the bankrupt intellectual class plays its part with relentless propaganda that paints any alternative as being from the whacko fringe. The only solution is for U.S. Greens and others to double and re-double their efforts to break in and shake up the status quo. Believing you’ll never get anywhere is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
How does Jill stand on the State Of Massachusetts forcing the Church out of the Adoption Service since they wouldn’t place with Gay Couples? In other words, does she support Religious Freedom or Communist Oppression?
I’m not arguing against the known fact that all recorded human history has taken placing during an interglacial period that has already gone on longer than these things normally do. That’s a serious long-term consideration, obviously. What I am arguing against is continuing a way of life that is effectively a mindless cancer consuming the biological wealth of this planet. We need a more mindful relationship with our world, as well as some humility about the wisdom of thinking we can ‘manage’ the global climate. If we ever have to attempt large-scale geo-engineering, our descendants may conclude that accepting a renewed Ice Age might have been the ‘less worse’ option.
The Chinese care not for the environment and will gradually take over Cascadia. The Whites will be driven into the Mountains to fight for Freedom, Trees, and Animal Rights from there.
Great post.
Pure spec as you say but one that has some basis in historical reality in the USA.
My bet is that it’s the states of the old confederacy that wave bye-bye first.
IMO this will likely take decades – a gradual unravelling with a lot of acrimony, mutual loathing and recriminations – until something like a Ft Sumter event triggers a cascade of crises ending (or beginning depending on your point of view) in declarations of independence.
Here’s an RT interview with Paul Craig Roberts, discovered by link-chasing an earlier post from lbendet, about the merits of the GOP field and Ron Paul’s viability. Why anybody believes any candidate stands a chance to significantly alter this irreparably corrupt system is astonishing. What, then, is the point of voting for those of you pushing even alternative candidates? Roberts seemingly shares this view.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/01/03/capital-account-paul-c-roberts-ron-paul-has-his-hands-full-trying-to-restore-the-constitution/
Even if Paul could get elected, his presidency would face intense and genuine controversy different to the phony congressional partisanship presently sold to voters by the PR shills in the MSM. Shills, I’ll add, who post candidate plugs here ad infinitum.
At any rate, the only conclusion I’ve been able to reach from just a few weeks of using this site is that A.) the “can kicking” (printing money) will continue INDEFINITELY absent any new major boots on the ground war that causes a sudden significant spike in oil costs, and B.) as long as the U.S dollar continues to be the the world’s primary exchange currency for oil. All this seems to be on the radar, but hasn’t it been for years?
I mean what else is there? The so called banksters seem to be getting away with every unethical act imaginable. The politicians are wholly complicit to the schemes. And the majority of the voting public still believes in the top-down democratic structure. Have I oversimplified or missed a different factor that will make a full-scale economic collapse instantaneous? It just feels like all the phenomena that should have brought about collapse already have been cleverly thwarted. It seems like 2012 will be another year full of scandals that never materialize into any game changing events. Looks like bleeding to death instead of a plain crash.
ABSALOM
Global Warming would be gradual allowing for the building of dikes, relocation, etc. In contrast, Ice Age conditions could come on within a couple of decades. The snow stops melting and that in turns makes the world colder, and that in turn brings the no melt zone further to the south and so on. The original cause would be a relative lack of solar activity of course.
Oops, apologies for the blatant mispellings
And again
LMAO
Absalom, I can certainly understand, and empathize, with your points about this “having gone on for years.” I can remember my mother saying to me back in the 1970’s that the stock market, was evolving into “gambling no better than Las Vegas, but more rigged” and that the nation was being run “by liquidators”. Oh how precient and accurate Mom was, may she rest in peace! But regarding what certainly appears to be gradualism, your quandary may be adequately addressed by a joke. A guy jumps out of a window on the 40th floor of a skyscraper. On his way down, an observer at a window on the 20th floor shouts to the jumper as he passes by “How’s it going?” To which the jumper responds, “So far so good!” Things can appear to be working until some kind of breaking point is reached.
“In what sort of Creationist parthenogenetic incubator are such pietistic idiots hatched?”-JHK
Fucking classic. Will I, one day, cease to be amazed at the degree to which the knuckle-dragging troglydites that are the voters lap up the grool that these self-promoters are serving? I’m not sure we are capable of self-governance.
Also sorry for the misspelling. “Precient” should read “prescient” in my recent post in response to Absalom. G-d forbid that the grammar and spelling troll on this board should spot my transgression!
since we are still on the subject of Racism..
Hey,there goes a flock of sparrows..not a single blackbird in the bunch…damn Racists,
look at that bunch of blackbird that went by…not a crow in the group…damn Racists.Get it morons?
Vlad, my grandfather, a WWI veteran in the German army (shot twice on the French front) said something similar to your point to my mother some 60 years ago (he was an immigrant to the US in the 1920’s). He said that in the US the ruling class would support patriotism amongst the rank and file until “they had gobbled up the world” at which time they would leave the rank and file to the vagaries of future history (i.e. cut them loose), no longer having need for their support. I would add the same can be said of the US corporations. I can remember back in the 1960’s and 1970’s the companies would talk of their personnel being their most important capital. Who hears that nowadays? No more personnel department, now its “human resources.” Welcome to reality.
Nice weeks work, JHK. Thank you, as always.
“Likewise, in the USA, some pressure-cooked December employment statistics gave the false impression of a brightening jobs picture, but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain….” -JHK-
Indeed! And part of what’s behind the curtain are 100,000 legally admitted US immigrants per month.
Q. Where are these new inhabitants going?
A. Mostly into crowded city and suburban areas.
Q. How do they live, with near zero job growth?
A. Mostly on AFDC, section 8, and govt. programs.
Q. What happens to the US middle class?
A. The middle class gets by on less and less income, it shrinks, and it finally vanishes completely.
Yep – It’s easy to see the future. It’s harder to understand why the US won’t perform the simple, legal expedient of reducing immigration inflows – legally, just by changing numbers on pieces of Federal Level paperwork.
We are an amazing people.
Economically doomed, but amazing.
http://www.cis.org/
How Nazi-like of you to say so.
Sure, in spite of the fact that the Nazis were considered Far Right by their peers…
In spite of the fact that the Nazis considered themselves Far Right…
In spite of the fact that the primary donors during the rise of the Nazis were Fritz Thyssen, the German Industrialists, and a large part of the German Aristocracy (groups notorious for their support of Communists – chuckle)…
In spite of the fact that the actual most honest Far Right, relatively undeceptive, strictly nationalist party of early 1930s Germany, the Stahelm, eventually happily merged with the Nazis…
In spite of Nazisms extreme loathing of both Communists and Left/Liberal & Communist Jews…
…sure they were Far Lefties.
Rewrite history all you want, Goebbels. It makes it no more true than when the Soviet Commies did it in the 70s.
I’d tell you to go get educated and read a little history, but we both know you won’t do that.
Sure…Adolf Hitler and the Liberal Jews…on the same side! Adolf Hitler and Anne Frank surely wanted the same things, right? They just had a sort of intramural scrum over how to do it.
Everytime a fool says Hitler was a Lefty like the Commies and Jews he murdered by the millions, a Demon gets his pitchfork.
Good job, bright boy. Somewhere a Demon wants to thank you for his shiny new badge of rank…
How so oh brilliant one?
“We need a more mindful relationship with our world, as well as some humility about the wisdom of thinking we can ‘manage’ the global climate. If we ever have to attempt large-scale geo-engineering…”
So we need “humility” in “thinking we can ‘manage’ the global climate.” But then you suggest we may attempt “large-scale geo-engineering…”? Shut the fuck up, idiot.
Mr Hancock………the National socialist party started out left wing regardless of what your saying here……it was a dictatorship utilizing both wings…… It was bread on the idea of backing the workers through socialism and people backed them at first because Germany was in such a bad depression…….people love to vote for the canidate that promise goodies……almost exactly whats going on today……
As the Happy Motoring lifestyle fades away during this century, it will leave behind vast tracts of land covered with asphalt.
“the total area of all parking spots in the U.S. could cover Connecticut and Vermont”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/arts/design/taking-parking-lots-seriously-as-public-spaces.html
Following description of book “Liberal Fascism” By Jonah Goldberg
““Fascists,” “Brownshirts,” “jackbooted stormtroopers”—such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. Calling someone a fascist is the fastest way to shut them up, defining their views as beyond the political pale. But who are the real fascists in our midst?
Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler’s National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Do these striking parallels mean that today’s liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler’s Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.
Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,” more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist” tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn’t an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.
These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is. In this angry, funny, smart, contentious book, Jonah Goldberg turns our preconceptions inside out and shows us the true meaning of Liberal Fascism.
Go back and re-read the rest of the sentence about geo-engineering — the part where I suggest our descendants might conclude it was a bad idea. Mrs. B. gets zero points for reading comprehension, but full marks for both straw-man argumentation and vulgar abuse.
Illegal immigrants do not qualify for subsidized anything. Legal immigrants are getting less and less all the time. Illegal immigrants do not get “welfare” or food stamps or section 8.
Clinton eliminated welfare in the USA. Remember the 1990s. There were 12.3 million receiving AFDC in 1996. Then Clinton eliminated welfare and changed it to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF, with a work requirement attached). Only 4.4 million received TANF in 2010. Quite a decrease from 12.3 million to 4.4 million.
Similarly with the Food Stamp program. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is the modern-day successor to the Food Stamp program and serves 44 million Americans.
43% of all food stamp beneficiaries are white, 33% are African-American, 19% Hispanic, and 2% Asian.
Clinton’s welfare reform in 1996 also imposed some duration limits on receiving food stamps. In any event illegal immigrants are not entitled to food stamps.
Likewise, with Section 8 housing. There is an employment requirement attached, and illegal immigrants are not able to work legally, so they are not eligible for section 8 housing.
Through the Housing Choice Voucher program, 3.1 million low-income households receive aid, but it is not free. Typically, tenants pay about 30% of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money. Thus, the more income that a beneficiary makes, the less the federal government will subsidize.
Why is everyone so pumped up about WWIII? I think Civll War II will be a much bloodier and fiercely fought contest. As usual, I will be supporting the underdog.
“Are you charmed by their absurd casual clothing?”
Come to think of it….yes. Those sleeveless, v-necked sweater vests sported by Sen. Sanatorium really goes well with and compliments the delivery of his reactionary, ‘dog-whistle’ messaging. I couldn’t imagine a more appropriate sartorial accompaniment.
Ya Jim, revolution might be in the offing for next summer, but right now the miracle Denver Broncos and Tim Tebow beat the mighty Steelers, and frozen Buffalo Wings are on sale at the local Piggly Wiggly Market for $1.79 per pound!!!
–WSP7
Everytime a fool says Hitler was a Lefty like the Commies and Jews he murdered by the millions, a Demon gets his pitchfork.
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Hitler was a Vatican/Jesuit tool, as was Stalin. Study their early history! Both received their early training by Jesuits. Both received their funding, their propaganda and political cover, their industrial war making capacity and technologies from the same source. That source being the Vatican, via their Wall Street Banks and Corporations.
The aim is to eliminate heretics (Orthodox Christians, Protestant Christians, Jews, etc.) and to consolidate the Vatican’s hold on Europe (and the world) via the political dialectic of Fascism vs Communism. (Both are really the same thing).
This is a war that dates many centuries. It predates WWI and WWII. It is a war that goes back to the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment that followed. It is a war against Liberalism, knowledge and freedom. It is a war to that seeks to re-establish world tyranny and domination.
The banking cartel, the corporate cartel, the various Secret Services, the captured governments, the captured political parties, the NGOs, the media, etc. — these are all owned and controlled by the Vatican and their proxies. You are partially correct in that what we are witnessing is the setting up of the NWO, the old Dark Ages. What you don’t realize, is how deep the rabbit hole goes. The “New World Order” is really the old age of Rome and Romanism. And that’s what the Vatican is all about!
“Go back and re-read the rest of the sentence about geo-engineering — the part where I suggest our descendants might conclude it was a bad idea.”
Why would they conclude it was a bad idea unless we had attempted to actually practice it you imbecile? And why would we attempt such a thing if we had practiced the humility you called for?
Now be quiet for a bit and reflect on your stupidity with humility.
Nice post, HC. And man, I’ve got to hand it to you for creativity:
“The Endarkment? Or will a simple “Dark Ages” suffice?” Funny stuff, Hancock. Chilling, but funny.
Some poster, Captain Spaulding maybe?, asks if and when the simple act of reading a website like this one, will get the reader in trouble with authorities.
It’s a good question. I HAD begun to assume the opposite – – – That the existence of websites like this one – with our plethora of demonstrably wacked out posters – is a way for the Elites of our Corporations and Government to channel mental energy – in to something that is easily monitored, yet essentially useless.
But, then there is the new Internet censorship law. And there are existing “Hate Speech” laws.
You may be about to find out, Hancock. Criticizing JHK’s “tribe” and the actions of their Tribal Nation, even with the careful disclaimers that you used – you appear to be out on thin CFN ice, doing a beautiful pirouette.
And you’ve gone and gotten Vlad wanting to talk to you. I was encouraged to self-censor, late last week – as though even attempting a conversation with the resident White Nationalist – puts me beyond the Pale. (bad joke, I know)
You’ve been asking – who or what will be the new minority, targeted for persecution and death, as the United States descends into a Dark Age. Certainly not the Jews, nor any other minority that has ever been persecuted before. Being novel thinkers, we Americans will want a NEW outgroup to ostracize and blame.
I’m thinking the non-minority elderly will be special targets for hate and discrimination.
Ironic bad luck for most of us on here, huh?
And thanks for mentioning this organization. I’d never heard of them, until you posted today.
http://www.btselem.org/
You sure you don’t have your own blog or something, HC. I’d like a way to keep in touch, if we both get banned, here.
Third party candidates –
There’s no doubt that the two party system is a large part of the reason that the US is so bifurcated and FUBARED, socially.
But supporting a 3rd party candidate (Nader) gave us BushII, courtesy of Florida.
And supporting another 3rd party candidate (Perot) gave us Clinton instead of BushI.
It’s fine to fight for the abolition of the two-party system.
But simply voting for a 3rd party candidate in a close election – really does mean throwing your vote away – into unintended causes.
This is an organization that pretends to be Israeli, but is not. It receives its funding from Europe/Vatican. The aim is that of propaganda against Israel. This is done via Vatican sponsored Litvaks pretending to be Jews, who go out and abuse and incite both the IDF and the Arabs. It is a hall of mirrors. That whole puppet show is produced and distributed by the Vatican and their proxies.
Um, I suppose I should thank you for parroting my own argument back to me. The problem is, you seem to think I disagree with myself. To restate my point: Our approach to our planet and its climate is arrogant and assumes we understand more than we do. As a result, we are in danger of trying something stupid, like geo-engineering, in the belief that we can control the results. Our descendants will judge us for the results.
You are now into negative points for reading comprehension. Also, I’m pretty sure you’re the same troll I’ve had the displeasure of tangling with before in this forum, so go find someone else to feed your appetite for nonsense. I’m sure you won’t be able to resist what you will consider a totally crushing riposte, so consider yourself pre-ignored.
What an impedimentary answer, asoka..
Congratulations!
My entire post was about reducing legal immigrants.
LEGAL! L E G A L! ! !
Over half of asoka.’s answer concerned ILLEGAL immigrants. sheesh.
And K-dog was wondering why I usually say LEGAL AND illegal immigration, when that’s what I mean.
See the problem, K-dog? You too, SNAFU?
Nobody gets it, even our resident impediment on all things immigration related.
Within two decades we’re going to have all of the bad things associated with overpopulated third world living, here in our own United States; hunger, starvation, disease, and death – and none of the good things.
We’re Americans! Throttles to the firewall! Rah!
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Standing by for pro-immigration reply from asoka., involving:
1. Economic growth is always good
2. Moral Platitudes
3. Ethnic dining and entertainment
Anybody got anything better?
I’m pretty sure that mrs beasley is oeo in drag.
There is no point in trying to carry on a conversation with him.
What I think I’m hearing you say, metuselah, is:
1. Israel always Good
2. Vatican always Bad
Does that, pretty much, sum it up for us?
And voting for Obama gave us Bush the Third. I see no improvement with Mr. Hopey Changey, just a continuation of fascist tendencies, on a continuum through the two coroporate parties.
Asoka just pointed out the damage that Clinton did to the social safety net. Clinton also starved Iraqi children and bombed Sudan, Iraq and Yugoslavia.
He also pushed NAFTA, the WTO and his vice-president, Al Gore, sabotaged the Kyoto treaty negotiations.
Obama has passed the first law ever forcing every American to buy health insurance, presided over trillions of dollars given to banksters, while millions of Americans are thrown out of their homes, increased the attack on Afghanistan, and added attacks on Pakistan, Libya and Yemen, while supporting covert attacks on Syria and Iran, all the while openly threatening to attack Iran. He openly assassinated two US citizens, one a 16 year old, and JUST LAST WEEK signed a bill legalizing throwing anyone on the planet into indefinite detention, without charges or trial. Have you already forgotten?
And I’m supposed to think that voting for one of the two corporate parties won’t get me unintended results????
You must think that I’m an idiot, Prog.
Just follow the news. Who is it that you ALWAYS hear about ALL the time? Who is it that NEVER here about?
Coincidence? I think not.
I’m not saying Israel is perfect, nobody is. I’m saying that there’s a deliberate and constant long running campaign to bring Israel to the headlines, no matter how trivial the story. And often the story is staged and is a projected lie, produced and distributed by the Vatican and its proxies to vilify Israel by false misrepresentations.
Which new minority will be targeted for persecution?
Rather than speculation, why don’t you look at trends?
Blacks and latinos are thrown into prison at a much higher rate than whites.
Arabs are being slandered the way jews were traditionally. (Although posters on this blog shows that old ways die hard.)
Sure, they’re also pushing generational warfare, but the ones already doing time are the ones I would consider to be the special targets.
Obama’s health insurance company enrichment bill will kill off the elderly without actually shipping them to concentration camps.
As medical care becomes more expensive, and more hospitals are shut down, (especially in rural areas), then people who are sick, but could be saved, will die.
It will be seen as natural. It’s already starting, but with elderly blacks, not whites. It’s referred to as “lowering of life expectancy”.
So pay attention.
That was fun.
Not only did you use the old moron’s logic, “Of course the Nazis were Lefties, they had the word Socialists in their name.”
Geez, by that “logic” the Republicans stand for a Republic and the Democrats for Democracy because, you know, that’s what they call themselves.
Actually, both are working for your Masters, 21st Century American RW Corporate Socialism.
THEN you have the nerve to cut and paste nonsense from the heart of the Right Wing Noise Machine, demonstrably some of the worst liars and deceivers in all of history. The true inheritors of the Nazis, at least propaganda-wise.
You know what’s funniest about you Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers?
It’s not the cognitive dissonance and the liquidity of your own views depending on what the Corporate-State propaganda says, no matter whether they are completely the opposite of what you believed the day before (i.e. 1980-1992 “Deficits don’t matter!”; 1993-2000 “Deficits are terrible!”; 2000-2008 “Deficits don’t matter!” 2008-? “Deficits are terrible!” – what could be a more Nazi style of “flexible thought” that modern American RWAs?).
Plus, like most RWAs you can’t even think for yourself. Cut and paste. Sheesh.
There’s so much that is historical innaccuracy in that cut and paste it would be a tremendous waste of time to correct it. Plus, the more facts I would expose you to, the more you would cling to the lies. As Bush said, you create your own reality. Actually, you don’t create anything, you just repeat like a mindless parrot the words of your cunning masters. A curious human phenomena, but very prevalent, especially since Ed Bernays and the invention of psychologically desgined PR.
Hey, maybe you should cut and paste more Nazi-style upside-down wholly false propaganda. That will surely prove that you’re no Nazi.
Bet you don’t know who the Nazis greatest political foes were before 1933? Why…the Democrats. But not just Democrats…the German SOCIAL Democrats, a bunch of liberals, with a pinch of actual socialism.
So, who do you think would have hated the German Social Democrats more (or the modern Democrats, for that matter), you or the Nazis?
I think it’s a coin-toss.
Damnit. Wish I’d read your post before wasting 15 minutes of my life on that human garbage sack.
One thing that helps them in that regard is, like the Nazis, they are so uniform in thought and word (even when they aren’t cut and pasting lies) it’s difficult to tell them apart since they all repeat the same bullshit in almsot the same words.
But thanks for the heads up. I won;t make that mistake again.
Met, didn’t the Vatican and Israel establish diplomatic ties in 1993?
Vandana Shiva is my hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB-vOFyIB28&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Exactly what I have been talking about when I mentioned 21st Century “Love American Style”.
Nazis with better PR and more plausible deniability – this appears to be the inevitable end of the now ironclad trendline in 21st Century America, whatever the actual details look like.
“It can’t happen here,” my ass! It’s pretty much already happened, and all that remains is for the corpse of the former USA to hit the ground with a meaty thud, landing directly on the dissenters and the free thinkers, the poor and the weak, of course.
Small consolation, Wage, but we can take a bit of vicious pleasure in the same way we would have had we lived in Weimar 1931. Because it is a virtual certainty that all these ignorant Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers and not a few deserving Obama-bots will eventually see the terrible machinery of the RW Corporate Socialist State turned upon them, either by using them as disposable bullet-shields or getting a dose of their own “Love, American style” right back at ’em. And so many of them will lick RW Corporate Socialism’s boots, even as they are ground to dust beneath it’s heel, because they know no other way to live than to play Follow the Leader.
It’s not much, but when living on the sinking Titatnic, every little pleasure helps, even if it is a bit “Jerry Springer”-ish.
Actually, I’m glad you did. I started to respond to that same old garbage, but wore myself out just thinking about it.
It’s just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.
So thanks for calling him out.
Yeah, but because the Nazis came for the communists, and came for the socialists, and came for the trade unionists, they didn’t get to see what happened.
I’m guessing we won’t last long either.
And notice that stock dividends became much rarer after defined benefits ended and everyone was supposed to become little Capitalists and invest in Stocks for a secure future via the IRA, Roth, etc.
They got us coming and going.
Again the anti-White rhetoric of the Left. Elderly Whites are suffering. And Blacks and Latinos should be in jail more since the commit more crimes. Sheesh, will you get a clue?
Are you saying that the Israeli Defence Force is really the Vatican? Or that they just “make” them wear those T shirts? Do you have one?
SQBB says “greeks-look-to-farming-past.html?hp
As predicted…back to the farm when the financial situation becomes overwhelming…”
I read that article. I think its a common thing to have in the back of one’s mind “the land”. You know, “the land you can go back to”.
On a global scale, its unthinkable. If humanity had to go back to the land there would be nothing to go back to. Much of the arable land is under cultivation. In countries where there are no parks, wilderness, or protected lands, the problem is acute. People simply set upon wherever there is bounty, and quickly damage and disable that area’s ability to sustain the bounty. Then they chicken-scratch the land until its raw and bleeding. Then they move or starve. The massively subsidized Ag corporations are doing the same except the erosion is well-disguised by fertilizer inputs and crop cover. Plus no one sees a meadow where there has been permanent cultivation for the last 150 years.
Kunstler’s back to the land theory gains support by the Greek example, but the glaring difference is contained in the article. As a social practice it seemed that investment in real estate was widespread. No such tradition exists here. Americans that own real estate own barren corporate buildings, or their own houses. The lots they stand on are practically sterile and incapable of supporting life. That predicts that an American movement ‘back to the land’ will not be a migration of stake-holders but as people entering the labor-force in one of America’s least-paid, most dangerous occupations.
As for Greece, lets see how these folks make out after a season or two.
Thanks for the compliment.
It’s curious that Vlad would keep trying to engage me, often in a semi-friendly fashion, when I could NEVER embrace his worship of inequality and shameless domination of the poor and weak by the rich and strong, regardless of what disguises he tries to use to sell me.
Hell, last week he told me that he “agreed” with me, and that he supported the aristocracy of merit and BREEDING.
Well, duh, any intelligent eigth-grader could figure out what’s grotesquely hypocritically twisted about that typical Nazi double-speak, and how the very statement he produces to “agree” with me is actually diametrically opposed to my stated position.
B’Tselem is brave and great, and while they may eventually fall into danger, my sense is that, for whatever reason, Israel is a little bit more committed to the illusion of freedom and democracy that the former USA, even though neither nation is free or democratic in any sense of the word besides propaganda’s window-dressing.
As long as Israel needs to keep pretending, B’Tselem is pretty safe from at least overt brutality, I would think. From a PR standpoint, Israel’s rulers would be more damaged by losing their window-dressing by treating Jewsish dissidents like they treat ordinary Palestinians with apartheid, torture, and murder, as opposed to letting “little dogs bark” in an era when nothing can be heard over the cacophonous modern propaganda machine.
Remember, by considering EVERYTHING as a PR problem and nothing else, will give you a significant edge in understanding aristocratic thinking, therefore better understanding the present and predicting future trends. Everything is PR today. Period. That is how our Rulers think and science and experience has proven them sadly correct.
Of course, it’s also the kind of “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” thinking that could get you lynched, beaten, or otherwise harrassed in a decade or so, you freethinking socialist hippie!
“Our beloved Job Creators would NEVER be so base as that. They LOVE us and NEED us! Only poor people are as venal as THAT!”
The punishments for disbelieving RW Corporate Lies will surely get more severe as the economic and political collapse picks up speed.
Though the “informal” punishments of disbelieving Corporate State Lies, are already pretty high right now and work in tandem with economic desperation.
I, too, have had similar dichotomous thoughts about the nature of internet postings and also can’t decide which is true. Like most complex human systems, both are probably partially true.
Think of our aristocracy’s situation like Caesar as he tried to get Rome under his domination. From the perspective of his enemies, Caesar never made a mistake, was invincible, and was comfortably twelve steps ahead of everyone else.
But the history shows that, from Caesar’s perspective, he was in a desperate race in which he kept having hairsbreadth victories just a step or two ahead of his own destruction until the Senate was fully broken, defeated, and he was finally acknowledged as dictator for a ten-year term.
It’s a little more complicated than that, but it gives you the flavor of my thinking on this. Like how the final destruction of the Bill of Rights came so quick and hard on the heels of Occupy being swept away in a cloud of pepper spray and the usual police brutality.
If our Rulers were as smooth and invincible as it appears from below, they wouldn’t have rushed so quickly to fully end the Bill of Rights, which tipped their hands to probably a few more people. But they did, beacue like Caesar, from their level they are in a desperate race to get us fully under metaphorical and perhaps literal lock and key before enough people wake up or some other Black Swan Critical Mass event occurs and then it’s too late for full lockdown, unlikely as it might seem from our perspective.
On another note: If JHK lets Vlad spew away his racist bile week after week and Old 8 man spew his BS and his many chinese salesperson alter-egos, I cannot imagine he’d ban us for much more tepid and non-racist legitimate criticism.
You also said:
Sorry, no blog, but you make a good point about keeping in touch, and I would like to also. I don’t know how without exposing ourselves to spamming from CFNs Asshole Brigade. Let’s both think on it and see if we can come up with a way of exchange actual information in a way that is not open to the public.
Then they chicken-scratch the land until its raw and bleeding. Then they move or starve.
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Wrong. They change and adapt. When it is a question of survival people are highly motivated.
See Cuba surviving a 50 year hostile USA blockade as an example. Of course, most of the world will not have a hostile blockade in place, so survival should be easier.
I just got an interesting email. Seems that TPTB have taken note of the widespread disgust with the two corporate parties, so have created a new one.
Now you can express your disgust with the other two without actually having to do any of the work involved in political action or change, just by doing your usual, pushing a button every four years.
I have always said that Americans want a third party, but they want one to spring from the forehead of Zeus, fully formed and with ballot accesss. (Which is really, really difficult to get. But this party has already done it in 13 states. Now you’re talking real money!)
“Supported by major Washington/Wall Street insiders, a group calling itself “Americans Elect” is in the process of getting itself on the ballot in all 50 states. (See NYT article below.) So far, it is on the ballot in 13 states, among them Ohio and Michigan. Two states have qualified it within the last two weeks alone — California and Rhode Island.
Americans Elect is structuring itself to be broadly democratic. But it is framing itself as centrist. Its stated near-term purpose is to provide a venue for a serious, centrist, “independent” presidential run (Bloomberg/Petraeus, the Times suggests). Its current rules call for a ticket that includes both a Democrat and a Republican.
This seems to be the fascist, capitalist third-party movement we have been predicting.
While the the publicly accounted for funding of AE comes from a man who seems to have made his fortune on Wall Street (Peter Ackerman: Drexel Burnham Lambert), other funders, reportedly hedge funds, have been secretive. The elder David Rockefeller seems to be lurking in the wings.
Besides Ackerman, AE’s board includes Admiral Dennis Blair, who has tight ties to the defense and intelligence communities and served as Obama’s Director of National Intelligence. William Webster, past head of the FBI and CIA and current chairman of the Homeland Security Advisory Council, is a member of AE’s “Leadership” group.
AE’s “Leadership” includes serious Washington/Wall Street insiders, top frontmen for the One Percent — political pollsters and consultants, think-tank heads, partners in major Washington and Wall Street law firms, past directors of Democratic and Republican national committees, and upper echelon executives of big finance.
Of these, C. Fred Bergsten perhaps best defines AE. In his 20’s, Bergsten covered international economics for Kissinger at the National Security Council (NSC). During his career he has touched base at the Brookings Institute, the Carnegie Endowment, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Treasury Department. For the past three decades, he has headed the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He has been an important mechanic in constructing economic globalism.
Bergsten does not jump unless he is very sure that it is sanctioned by the powers behind the scenes. He is close to David Rockefeller, who has been a board member of his institute since its founding.
If it is successful, the mid-term effect of the Americans Elect campaign will probably be to split the existing parties, consolidate the “center,” and polarize the electorate. In the broadest sense, the Americans Elect campaign seems to be the One Percent’s response to the broad movement of which Occupy Wall Street is a part — that is: the increasingly class-conscious movement of the 99 Percent.”
Sure we probably won’t live to see it. But the likelihood that it will happen, sooner or later, is so high as to be a virtual certainty, now that things have proceeded this far.
Sure, it’d be more enjoyable in a “poetic justice” sense if we could actually get to witness it, but we can’t always get what we want, so we’ll have to be satisfied with the secure knowledge that the future trend is just about already written, all but the specific details, and can proceed only through a narrowing canal of options built on the actions and inactions of the past.
And that the outcome becomes more certain with every RW Corporate Socialist act. Weimar 1931 levels of certainty at this point. Still a slim outside chance for a miracle that’s not going to happen, that is pretty much a structural impossibility, given our mass psychological, economic and political states. Obama’s NDAA and laughable signing statement has narrowed our options for any different future significantly.
He still has a long way to catch up to Bush/Cheney in total responsibility for future friendly fascism and “Love, American style”, but he’s got a nice big share of responsibility now. Plus, he and his congress administered the final blow, and that counts higher, IMHO.
Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America
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Care to back that up with a legitimate source or two?…don’t bother with some racist website, that doesn’t qualify on any level.
Hitler was a Vatican/Jesuit tool, as was Stalin. Study their early history!
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On the sanity scale average posts here have slipped from “slightly weird” to “barking mad” in recent weeks. More amusing than informative….but it’s got that going for it anyway.
Black churches are joining with the Occupy movement to protest the economic policies of the 1%.
http://www.occupydream.org/
January 16th, at your nearest Federal Reserve Bank.
If the the establishment choices are Bloomberg/Petraeus versus Obama/Clinton, who do you see winning? I’m thinking people will vote for the ones they already know, instead of risking the ones they don’t know.
I hope this comment doesn’t get eaten up in cyberspace last the one I did last week, that’s annoying.
Just got up to check my calendar and sure enough, there’s a full moon tonight. That must account for all the hyperbole and silliness erupting today in response to JHK’s column. I suppose for the crackpot racists who post here, blogs and other anonymous forums are all that’s left for them to spew their bile without getting punched out.
Learned something new though, that the Vatican is the real enemy, when all along I’d bought into the idea that it’s Muslims we have to look out for. Oh, and dark skinned people, can’t forget them. Or the Jews, they’re on the enemies list too I think. Hard to keep up, just happy to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and always on the Right Side of God. Seems to me if anyone is superior, and smart enough to plot a new world order, it should be us.
And God knows we’d never let Vlad or this Mrs. Beasley creature into OUR heaven. It takes more than white skin and the right religion and geographic pedigree, you also need manners. They’ll never make the cut.
Asoka, thanks for the history lesson on what Clinton did to the welfare system. Same thing happened in Canada and they copied each other’s bad ideas back and forth. If Clinton, as a Democratic president, could do that to the poor, it just proves what somebody said earlier, that both parties are really just the same. “For the people” indeed. The corporate ones.
It will be a hell of a year, that’s for sure. Thanks Jim for giving us so much to think about.
I knew who Parson Weems was and that he was responsible for the early hagiography pertaining to George Washington. Weems was an Episcopal priest, as indeed George Washington was an Episcopalian layman albeit a fairly lukewarm one who disliked kneeling to receive communion and who was not liked by his rector [pastor] owing to his habit of retiring to the church’s lawn to have a smoke.
The truth seems insane to you because you’ve been cocooned by a web of lies. You’ve been so isolated from the truth by government propaganda and lies, that when you actually hear the truth it sounds insane.
I assure that I’m saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.
i sure miss mr tibbet…the gardening season is soon upon us- maybe for the last time, according to natural news.com: house bill S 510 will make it a felony to “smuggle” produce to a farmer s market, or to save seeds…wtftstfizzat, eh?! i m thinking his method of growing food that keeps coming back is looking more attractive, for sure…2%, anyone?
This is typical CIA/Vatican/Jihadi propaganda tripe that you hear from the typical propaganda outlets, made to delegitimize Israel. You haven’t clue about Israel or Israelis. You’re just a propagandized CIA/Vatican/Jihadi propaganda parrot.
I assure that I’m saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.
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Forgive my atrocious typing. That should read:
I assure you that what I’m saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One day you will thank me for this.
Wage:
“Of these, C. Fred Bergsten perhaps best defines AE. In his 20’s, Bergsten covered international economics for Kissinger at the National Security Council (NSC). During his career he has touched base at the Brookings Institute, the Carnegie Endowment, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Treasury Department. For the past three decades, he has headed the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He has been an important mechanic in constructing economic globalism.”
Rockefeller and Kissinger you say? That alone is the Kissinger of death!
That’s the fix to get the people to believe they have the freedom of voting. Anything to keep the illusion alive.
Hancock,
I too get exhausted when I hear the same old tripe. The inability to agree on basic historical facts. The Nazis were far right wing fascists.
I figure the revisionists on the right just have to attribute all negative things to the left. That’s the world they live in. It’s 10th grade World History but hey, who cares about basic facts, anyway.
Are you saying that the Israeli Defence Force is really the Vatican?
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No, that’s not what I said at all. The IDF is composed of Israelis. The Litvaks with their Vatican Talmud their and their made up Vatican “Jewish” customs and costumes, are neither Jewish nor do they serve in the IDF. They are a Vatican created and financed foreign transplant. These Litvaks are not Jews! (Naturei Karta, Lubaviches, Bnei-Brit, etc.) They attack the IDF, they attack Israelis, and they attack Arabs. They deliberately go out and provoke conflict. And then on the other side of the ledger you have foreign organizations like beit tzelem and other media, that use these Vatican sponsored foreign transplants to produce their propaganda against Israel and Israelis. The whole production is CIA/Vatican/Jihadi theater from A to Z.
The whole production is CIA/Vatican/Jihadi theater from A to Z.
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The CIA and Vatican are in with the Jihadis on a theatre production?
The CIA and Vatican support the Litviks?
The Litviks and not Jews, but they attack Arabs?
Something does not compute.
CORRECTION
The Litviks are not Jews, but they attack Arabs?
Seems you have something in common with the Litviks, metuselah.
What a shit-pile these comments threads have become. Jim needs to turn comments off unless he’s using them to monitor the corn-pone nazis he’s always talking about.
Yes, I mean you Vlad and of course, “the pissant.” Of course the rest of them are close to useless except the occasional note from Wage or Asoka.
Clue dipshits; climate change is real, it’s coming FAST, and it’s coming NOW.
Go check out Jeff Master’s latest blog entry.
Now look here: http://ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/
High temperature records have beat low temperature records over the last year at a rate of over 3-1. Over the last 30 days high records have beat low records at a rate of 20-1. This is where some dipshit is going to say “well that’s weather” because the dumbfuck doesn’t understand that weather that changes over an entire continent is climate. Especially when the changes are all headed in the same direction year after year.
So unless we get really freaking lucky and get normal snows and normal rainfalls and a nice quiet tornado season. Well, fat freaking chance; we’re hosed. All your little corn-pone nazi dreams of killing all the drakes or throwing them off welfare so they have to wipe your ass at fifty cents and hour aren’t happening. It’s survival time and really the best survivors, the people who know how to live on two tamales a day and some field greens are the illegal immigrants.
As for the elderly? Well, just like in the Japanese tsunami they aren’t getting tossed off the bus. The bus is leaving without them.
Who was it queried “will the world end with a bang or whimper” maybe Faulkner? I think there will be lots of banging between now and “the end” but for sure whimpering when it’s all over.
“Of course the rest of them are close to useless except the occasional note from *…. Asoka.”
-pangolin-
Ah, Pangolin. I was just talking about you last week. You are the best representative of anti-Western hatred that I believe has ever graced these CFN threads.
You even eclipse asoka.. At least he usually tries to hide his hate and loathing a little bit.
“It’s survival time and really the best survivors, the people who know how to live on two tamales a day and some field greens are the illegal immigrants.” -pangolin, gloating-
Looking forward to the rest of us dying on schedule, Pangolin? As long as you can have an ethnically diverse diet, provided by those illegal immigrants of yours, and available to you for take-out on demand?
You never responded to me about this post of yours, either:
“As for any black man in an urban area who shoots a cop; well, I can’t blame them. I won’t stand anywhere near them but you can’t blame them for the impulse.” -pangolin, 2/11/11 @ 2:07 a.m.-
You need to take a long hard look into your own soul, Pangolin. What has American culture done to you that makes you feel this way? How long do you think most of those “black men in an urban area” would survive without electricity, food trucks, and the cops that are sworn to protect those urban areas?
*originally “Wage and asoka.” I removed Wage from the quote, because I’ve never seen her express the glorious hate, that you and asoka. express, Pangolin.
apologies in advance, if necessary, Wage
How NAFTA forced Mexicans off their land and into the USA.
http://www.thenation.com/article/165438/how-us-policies-fueled-mexicos-great-migration
And I’m still supposed to think that it’s a good thing when the Democrat wing of the corporate party beats the Republican wing.
“Yep – It’s easy to see the future. It’s harder to understand why the US won’t perform the simple, legal expedient of reducing immigration inflows – legally, just by changing numbers on pieces of Federal Level paperwork.” -P2C
Legislation to change the numbers and qualifications of immigrants would change tomorrow if it were in the interest of those who OWN the “Federal Level” of everything.
It isn’t, so no change will be forthcoming. False hope is a waste of energy. I can understand your passion on this point, but I don’t see it as ultimately fruitful. Other “factors” of the Great Crumbling will intervene, IMHO.
No, I don’t hate “western” culture, Prog.
If by western culture you mean tolerance, freedom and friendliness.
But the policies of the 1% which beat down the rest of us, the other peoples of the world, the forests, animals, oceans and topsoil of our planet?
Yep. Hate them.
Wagelaboror said, “It’s just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it”.
I believe it was Joseph Goebbels who is credited with that strategy.
I wouldn’t group Ron Paul in with the other presidential contenders.
“It’s just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.” -Wage
Yep, also know as, “brazening it out”.
A subset of Karl Rove’s mostest fa-vo-rite-est ploy:
Accuse others of doing/plotting/thinking the heinous and venal things that you, yourself are ALREADY actively engaged in! (Not brilliant in any sense, but it works, as we have seen.)
A. E., eh, Wage?
“Assholes Exclusively” would seem to fit their abbreviation.
All the AE’s “good people” mentioned (and many not, if we can find ’em) should be put on a list for future reference. Mademoiselle Guillotine will find them delicious.
The rule of law is gone. Just look at those insane justices on the Supreme Court.
In physics after chaos comes order. This is what is required in this nation.
The latest statistic I heard today is that Georgia has the fattest children. No doubt, they get their cheap Chez Curls at Walmart, the company that loves to shut down American jobs. It is clear, that we have a devolving society in the US. We have very dumb people. Many pretend to be intelligent. For example, those average American working stiffs who vote against their own best interests and favor the party of the rich, and outsourcing, cannot make up their minds which moron to choose to vote for. They have no idea which moron is their best pick. They go to the last minute undecided. They continuously say that they have to meet the moron first before they decide. Are they illiterate? Can’t they read just how regressive these GOPie morons actually are? They have to look at their sweater vest colors in order to decide?
I heard Professor Simon Johnson say that the Eurozone will likely see a nation-fail later on this year, before the election. The Eurozone is imploding. It resembles a balloon slowly getting way too much air.
The southern states really have absolutely no idea just hard austerity is going to dope-slam their fat, dumb faces. Bobbie Jingle Jangle Jindal is going to get steamrollered by the people of his state.
What we have in the White House is a complete sellout fraud, and those running against him are GOPie perverted psychopaths. They are all way too big for their shoes.
http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
“Still a slim outside chance for a miracle that’s not going to happen, that is pretty much a structural impossibility, given our mass psychological, economic and political states. Obama’s NDAA and laughable signing statement has narrowed our options for any different future significantly.” -HC1863
The only way “out” is “through”, I’d guess. Whether we see the other side might simply be a matter of luck and geographic happenstance.
That signing of ‘Murkin’s death and imprisonment warrants over the “joyous holidays” was a pretty cutesy move, wasn’t it? (Absolutely designed.) “Nothing to see here; move along; you won’t be affected; remain calm; return to your homes…”
“…Doodles, teevee, and psychotropic drugs will be provided…”
Anyone who believes that Ron Paul should not be included in the condemnation of the GOPies, has been drinking way too much Kool-Aid. Ron Paul happens to be the most rightwing GOPie in government today. He is against the Fed but fails to tell his fans that even before the establishment of the Fed the financial robber-barons were very powerful. Just as powerful as they are today. He has no plan to repair the monetary problems.
He believes in doing away with most, if not all, of the government agencies. He wants to give the richest among us more free rein, less regulation (BP, Shale drillers, corporate raiders, financial gamblers, etc.), fewer taxes, etc.
Under Paul, the working stiffs would ultimately pay the most, suffer the most, and lose the most.
He would be very happy to drill baby drill pretending that we could be energy independent.
The guy is nothing but a bobblehead flapping is mouth.
…And yes, Jammer, Joseph Goebbels (a fine person of unimpeachable moral rectitude). ;o)
Thanks.
I wish I didn’t have to work a day job. Then I could post a link to pimp my blog at 9:30 AM and watch the hits roll in.
Instead, I’m down here with the folks who still believe in the political process jousting with the corn-pone nazis.
But I’ll pimp the link anyway since Mr. Kunstler is so generous about it.
I’m reviewing my 2011 garden seeds’ performance this week- selecting out the varieties that survive the tough northern summers. The evidence of climate change is all over the place this year in Minnesota, so it’s time to stock up on tough seeds.
No- actually stocking up won’t do you any good. Time to really learn how to grow stuff and save the seed. Unless you are really really really sure the collapse will be fast and total, it’s time to learn how to garden. Can’t eat gold.
http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com/2011/12/seed-reviews-2011s-results-2012s-hopes.html
The nice thing about trolls is that they always come when you ring their bell. The idiot called progress2conserve being a case in point.
Wow, he jumped right up to defend “American culture;” even pulling out an 8 month quote where I sympathized with the victims of the slave-owning culture and the resulting bigotry and oppression. I don’t think I’ve ever quoted anybody on a blog comment that old.
I think those black men in urban areas would survive just as long as clueless whites in the suburbs would. Probably longer. More than a few of them live cheek-to-jowl with asian and mexican immigrants. How about the white folks in the suburbs who live on microwave seal-a-meals and drive-thru take out. I know people who can’t drink coffee without starting their car.
When you find some “American Culture” please tell us. Little Debbie snack cakes, NASCAR and Red Lobster don’t count.
Based on your geopolitical break down it looks like you’ve maybe played or at least looked at the video game “Shattered Union”. It lays out pretty much what you have. I will be living within the Great Plains Confederation. Based on previous Military Base Realignments I would say the Republic of Texas came out on top of this one. It will be interesting to see if the European Union will be able to send Peace Keepers to restore order in the NYC to DC corridor.
Interesting game and future scenario. Lets just hope it never comes to that. WMBH / Amish living will be a drastic enough change. Till people learn to flourish again.
Stay Frosty & Keep yer powder dry !
Thar be self-hatred mateys!
“I sympathized with the victims of the slave-owning culture and the resulting bigotry and oppression. I don’t think I’ve ever quoted anybody on a blog comment that old.” -pangolin-
And I’ve never seen a rich white boy, which you obviously are Pangolin, say that it is OK for black men to kill urban cops, because these urban blacks great-great-great granddaddy’s were slaves.
So – should your oppressed urban black men kill ALL the cops, or just the white ones?
And why do you even care, as long as you keep your belly full of ethnic food?
Hi all,
An excellent article explaining why the old “Left and Right” definitions of the democratic political spectrum is simply no longer relevant:
http://www.holmgren.com.au/DLFiles/PDFs/Money_vs_Fossil_Energy.pdf
Wage, you’ve hit it on the head. Nice work.
As our options dwindle, James, we need to find a way through the impasse. BEST FROM KULTURCRITIC
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/
“Huntsman seems like a …” SEEMS is your operative word here — he’s Obama’s former ambassador to China. And his dad is Glenn Beck’s idol/role-model/mentor — There is no left and right political “spectrum,” there is a political circle, and communism and corporatism/fascism bump asses at 360 degrees. Left/right is a puppet show to keep you from realizing that the real divide is them and us. Ignore it, deny it, decry it, and do everything you can do to break its functional grip. Tune out commentators who refuse to discuss issues and instead treat coverage of national elections like they are a football game, write in non- R or D candidates or vote for a third party, enroll in either R or D if you’re not enrolled and “waste” a primary vote by tanking a front-runner with your vote; anything, anything, anything you can think of to take a chip off the status quo of our political workings — do it! It’s a significant part of what got us into this mess in the first place. (Yes, it takes flawed education, corruption, etc. whatever the hell it is that our politics has devolved into, its a big contributor too.)
cheers,
A.S.
http://www.MalthusUniversity.com
SPEAKING OF THE RIPE MOMENT – TIME IS OUR PROBLEM, JAMES
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/
KULTURCRITIC
“without the inherited bullshit inherent”
As in, Gordon? I believe I poasted here about you and your daughter OWSing in Canada? Or maybe it was the following youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-02VrChRqpc
Heh, not too damn shabby. Seems the polar ice cap melt in 2011 held the maximal global temps at bay…
neon vincent, 8man,ibendet,rmtn.p,antisoak, kurt cagle. mrs. beasley hancock1863, wagelaborer—.GET YOUR OWN BLEEPING BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
History? The Rule of Law? The incessant flow of unidirectional time, forcing belief in progress and a better life…. This is the core of our problem, James. KULTURCRITIC
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/
bearfoot_ As we all know blog comment hijacking is the result of the well known phenomena known as…..”most of us aren’t very good writers.”
Anybody want to comment on Jim’s last paragraph?
“I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won’t be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about “freedom” and “liberty” is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise. A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum?”
Personally I think we’re going to hold our noses and vote for Obama again because the other options are batshit crazy republicans or political unknowns.
Al Franken for president anybody?
Beantown Bill,
Thanks for your response yesterday, and I agree with the bulk of your comment, more or less. I also did not want to interject race into this thread but I also felt it would be impolite not reply to your thoughtful post. So here is one aspect of my response. I was in North Denver a few years ago which is a section of town close to the teeming downtown area that Kulture Critic wrote about last week. Anyway, this is a vibrant, thriving community that is populated by upscale professionals. Property values are up, and coffee shops, wine stores and Pilates studios are sprinkled about a neighborhood that was once predominantly Latino and lower/middle class white. These groups have been pushed to the outskirts of this neighborhood but the student age populace still attend the neighborhood schools. Paradoxically, the public schools within this very vibrant community are a blight: test scores are way down as are the graduation rates. I asked a shop owner why the schools were so bad in this neighborhood and he told me that all the upscale white couples drive their kids to schools outside the neighborhood, or to private schools. So even though revamped inner-city neighborhoods are coveted by young professionals, the public schools within these neighborhoods are shunned by the very people professing to champion the city life style. If you’re interested, do a search on the North Denver Highlands and Denver North High School.
Hamilton wanted America to create a Central Bank just like the Bank of England – which had already been infiltrated by one of Rothschild’s sons. Luckily Jefferson and Adams saw the danger. These are well known facts.
Wage,
I’m not doubting what you wrote,after all, you’re in the health-care biz but could you provide a scenario for how ” Obama’s health insurance company enrichment bill will kill off the elderly without actually shipping them to concentration camps”?
Remember what Bill said to Juletta after she related being assaulted by Blacks? He didn’t offer any sympathy, but after saying that he understood her feelings, warned her to watch her racism. What a guy.
Now imagine his reaction if a Jewish Woman had been attacked. Do you really believe it would be the same?
“Quite a decrease from 12.3 million to 4.4 million.”
That’s how they do it – eliminate a former program, and institute a “new/better” one, which operates like privatized insurance companies (denying all claims rigorously).
Oh, and I never made any short term predictions. I think I made two different ones, fairly long-term. So quit linking your weekly monday-morning end-of-the-world sarcasm to me. Or, debunk my two predictions!!! (Hint: one was global temperature as the solar irradiance peaks, but I forget the other one [I know, so sad, too bad])…
“What of the headless body? You guessed it – SOYLENT GREEN”
I wonder if Soylent Green tastes like Cheese Doodles?
My bad! Vigorously (not rigorously)…
“http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/”
Seriously, how many times are you going to poast that drivel today? That’s 4+, correct? Now I’m feeling sorry for Gordon’s daughter, if she actually reads this tripe!!!
Any Black who would go gunning for White Cops would also rob, rape, or shoot non cop Whites. And once the cops are gone they will. Pango is out to lunch.
From the 2011 “Oh Shit” file looking for a repeat in 2012 this hit…..
“India Reports Completely Drug-Resistant TB”
“Over the past 48 hours, news has broken in India of the existence of at least 12 patients infected with tuberculosis that has become resistant to all the drugs used against the disease. Physicians in Mumbai are calling the strain TDR, for Totally Drug-Resistant. In other words, it is untreatable as far as they know.”
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/01/invincible-tb-india/?utm_source=googleplus&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=googleplusclickthru
What a fascinating reality tunnel you exist in – assuming it’s not an act that is. So how does the Jewish Masonry fit in – Brai Brith, the Sons of the Covenant? Are they truly the descendants of Sabbathi Zvi? Apparently they got the rite from Scottish Masonry, perhaps even from Pike himself.
Gee, I always thought that when you say “I understand your feelings” you are validating that person. And since Juletta was obviously attacked and upset by it, validating her feelings automatically expresses sympathy. You don’t have to use the words “I’m sorry” to express sympathy. Someone ought to teach you the art of communication, Vlad.
I better not disagree with you in the future because you have superpowers. You could foresee the future and know how differently I’d react if a Jewish woman was attacked. Of course, you’d be wrong, as you usually (always?) are.
I was reading some rubayi poetry of Khwaja Mir Dard (rubayi originated in 10th century Iran) when the CFN argument about American culture erupted today.
What kind of poetry was America producing in the 10th century when Iran was producing rubayi? OK, unfair question since USA did not exist.
So, what was happening culturally in Europe when the Persians (Iranians) were creating beautiful lyrical love poetry, the rubayi and ghazals?
Oh, right Europe was in the Dark Ages; rude and crude people cloaked in intellectual darkness. The ghazal was not introduced to European poetry until the early 19th century (by German writers).
The Persians had about a 900 year advantage over the ignorant white barbarian Europeans, the same ignorant white barbarians (criminals and religious fanatics) who fled Europe and founded the USA.
In its 250 years the USA has still not produced poetry of the quality of the Persian rubayi and ghazals, in my opinion. Maybe next century?
Good Job. We got all the way to 11:19 am Monday before the race issue came up.
You need to study some Fascist Theory. Fascism is the Radical Center, the Third Position (think of the high angle of an equilateral triangle). By no means is Fascism just in the middle, a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And to say that is just conservatism is crazy. I mean obviously Capitalism is insufficient and equally obviously Communism is a sham, and a vicious one at that. Fascism rejects both completely in terms of their ideology or approach to life – thus the vertical height. The useful aspects of both it retains – thus its place equal distance from the other angles.
Hitler tried to join Unions but they insisted that he slander Germany which he refused to do. But he made clear that he despised the brutality of the Industrialists and Business Magnates.
Shocking as this may be Vlad “black” people are pretty much the same as “white” people particularly since they share all the same genes except the ones for skin color. That means that like white people in Croatia or tan people in Iraq they can make the distinction between population-oppressing paramilitaries and other citizens.
They’ve even been known to recognize that different policemen are “individuals” and deserve to be treated differently based upon their history of public contact.
Of course, most black men who go gunning for a police officers are walking the same path as most white men gunning for police officers; committing suicide. Intentionally. Sure they could check out some other way but…… some policeman had to be an asshole.
Whitman and Dickinson are spiritually sublime. And the American Transcendentalists were students of the Persian Masters and the Hindoo Classics. Emerson and Thoreau are admired by many in the East – Thoreau even influencing Gandhi.
Blacks are different in terms of brain size and shape and also hormone levels. They have much higher Testosterone which leads to higher impulsivity, aggression, and violent crime.
You have to study, not just prate PC slogos.
Just recently watched “Super Size Me” and “The Greatest Movie Ever Sold.” Pretty much sums up the stupidity of the lard-ass oaf majority here in the USSA (AmeriKKKa). I was shocked that the sponsors of TGMES were actually decent products, and not the same old, tired out, GMO hydrogenated oil and GMO (high fructose) corn syrup subsidized oligarchs…
Yum Yum!!! 5 minutes of showtime, interrupted by 5 minutes of flashy subliminals, hour upon the hour!!! Wonder why all the kids are ADHD, and diabetic?!…
Asoka,
Nice post about Persian/Iranian culture, but within “the rude and crude people cloaked in intellectual darkness” some real stunning masterpieces were being fabricated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Brooch
Sure Bill. I mean what a time to warn someone about racism. Just like Obama was horrified when his Aunt was frightened by some Black low life who had been harrassing her. He cared not a fig for her safety or feelings, only the feelings of the Black hustler.
I don’t believe you. You have never expressed any sympathy for Whites nor did you this time. Only Non Whites and Jews. Hey alot of Whites on this site will salute you for that so why pretend?
I agree about Whitman. But Dickinson? She has been called the poet of dread. Hardly transcendental. She appears to search for the universal truths, but her poetic technique is to make the abstract concrete, very shallow compared to the Persian/Iranian masters.
What you have in America is ignorant white barbarism, of the type that sings in public, to the tune of the Beach Boys, the goal being to promote mass murder of civilians in a superior culture.
Buck Stud, thank you. The European “culture” of which you speak, in the form of “masterpieces” is not popular culture. Like the Celtic gold work you refer to, European art was made for wealthy patrons, and the artists were mostly interested in increasing their status in the eyes of the wealthy. I’d call it a cut-throat business, not artistic culture. Europe did not experience a popular flowering of creative expression like happened in Iran when Europe was in its Dark Ages.
The original Persians were White Men you know. The last Zoroastrians fled to India to escape Islamic terror. But it is an interesting place – with remanants of the old culture and genome still appearing here and there. And some of the best of Islamic Culture flourished there once.
Sounds like you have’t read here – just went to Wikipedia or something. Yes, most of poetry is using imagery to embody abstractions. The dark tresses of a woman are a symbol of God or “The Beloved” in Islamic Poetry. Other motifs, the Tavern of Ruin, Wine, the Cup Bearer etc. Try to think before you post.
Asoka,
I am not disputing the beauty of Persian culture, but to describe a piece such as the Tara Brooch as made by the hands cut-throat businessmen is just plain wrong. There is only one thing beyond extraordinary skill which could craft such a piece: Love. And what motivated the Irish scribes to preserve the treasures of antiquity, if not Love? Thomas Cahill’s “How The Irish Saved Civilization” goes into some depth on the subject, although the title is way too Eurocentric.
But back to Persian culture: The music – Oh My God – I do believe I lived a past life in that land.
Anyone who hates the Beach Boys isn’t an American (of the United States). And you think singing their songs in public is a means towards the end of destroying Iran? You’re starting to Mika.
I care not if you don’t believe me. As far as whites are concerned, most Jews are white and other Semites are Caucasians, too. Since you think I totally favor Jews, I can’t be anti-white. But it’s not important to me what you think.
I, on the other hand, think you mix up race with color. You dislike the non-white colors, even if the non-white is Caucasoid. You disparage brown peoples like Mexicans, when many Mexicans are Caucasians or a mixture of Caucasian and attenuated Mongoloid. Yes, Mexicans can also be black and mixed-black, but you lump all Mexicans and other Hispanics together.
I don’t know why I even replied to your silly post.
No, Vlad, the civilizations (which you deny Black people ever created) of Egypt and Persia were civilizations of Blacks. The Code of Manu of India says that the Persians were originally one of the divisions of the Black race.
The Iranian legends say that the whole region of ancient Persia to India was inhabited by a race of Black men with short wooly hair. Black men. Africa is the common mother.
Cushite civilization is the motherland of humanity. Cushite blood courses through ancient Aryan civilizations. Sadly there was a degeneration over time and many Black characteristics were lost in Aryan and Persian civilizations. But the essence, Black nobility, is the heritage that gave birth to the civilizations you claim were white.
Don’t forget the Treasures of Sutton Hoo: the Vikings were also gifted craftsmen as well as Barbarians Conquerors. Also traders, farmers, etc. Although ultimately defeated, the Vikings created the first real Cities in Ireland from trading posts.
The Celts lived a decentralized lifestyle – the kind we need now. The down sides could be partially overcome by communication technology. Also no one ever said that we need to recreate the isolated farm houses of the past. Catholic Farmers lived in villages and walked out to their fields everyday.
No, Vlad, witness ignorant white barbarism for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
Laughing and joking about mass slaughter of human beings, while referencing the Beach Boys.
Well sure Jews are mostly White. But they don’t idenfify with us at all. If you want to insult a Jew call him White. But you know all this very well. Jews are invisible when they want to be but no one can blow their own horn like them. Always trying to take credit and avoid blame. The two go together. You can’t have one without the other. The attempt to do so is one of the roots of Jewish Neurosis. In other words, fine if you want to be proud of Jewish Achievment, but if so, you must also be ashamed of the degredation of Hollywood. A stick has two ends. But you’d rather project the bad onto Whites – as scapegoats.
Why did you write to me? We all need opponents to bring out the best in us. Perhaps you know this at some level…
buck stud, my point was the Tara Brooch was commissioned. It was a business deal and is not representative of popular culture of 700 CE Ireland.
‘Clue dipshits; climate change is real, it’s coming FAST, and it’s coming NOW’
And do you have any advice????????????????????
‘climate change is real’…Beyond the CC thats been happening for the last 5 billion years?
‘Warming up to the ice age’ ??? [John Hiatt]
I’ll throw this out there too, in case anyone cares to commet. Constantine Nigra (quoted by Hyde) Says:
” The idea that rhyme originated among the Arabs must be absolutely rejected as fabulous…Rhyme, too, could not in any possible way, have evolved itself from the natural progress of the Latin language. Among the Latins, neither the thing nor the name existed. The first certain examples of rhyme, then, are found on Celtic soil and among Celtic nations…we conclude that final assonance or rhyme can have been derived only from laws of Celtic phonology.”
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/seumas-macmanus/the-story-of-the-irish-race-a-popular-history-of-ireland-mca/page-19-the-story-of-the-irish-race-a-popular-history-of-ireland-mca.shtml
On the positive side, we may soon get a functioning passenger rail system. The experience might be more Dr. Zivago than Eurorail, and one-way tickets only with rally strange looking train stations.
Woo hoo! Rhyme!
While Europe was working on getting words to rhyme, the Persians were writing exquisite transcendental poetry with emphasis on lyric quality, mellifluous meters, and tenderness of feeling. All using relative simple language, making it accessible to all.
Of course, 900 years later Ireland got around to using rhyme to develop drinking toasts and nonsense poetry in the form of limericks with lewd, crude, rude, and sexually bawdy themes. Transcendence? Nah, just more barbarism embodied in poetry.
Yes McCain sucks. Why put that on the Beach Boys or all Whites? Europe is White or at least it used to be, and despise that aspect of American Culture. So do I. Iran is Shia and they are much more peaceful than the Wahabbis. They have a right to nuclear power or even a weapon or two. Israel would annihalate them if they lobbed a bomb at them. They know that.
Unnfortuanately, they do support some powerful Islamic groups like Hezbollah. They see Zionism as on the offensive and they feel they have to fight back and not just wait to be picked off. I sympathize with them, but I don’t think it’s going to end well for them. The Republicans and the Zionists have it in for them and they have it in for the Zionists. Luckily for Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other. If they ever united, Israel might be in real trouble.
Fascinating, but probably not true. It probably sprang up in different places at different times. It might be true in modern European History though.
My brother and I were talking about how many lost cities have been found off the coast of Cuba, Bimini (Bahamas), Japan, India. He pointed out that the coastlines have changed since the ice age ended – what was once land is now underwater. Human history is largely a fairy tale past five thousand years or so – and largely distorted since then. There may well have been Civilization for the last 100,000 years.
gg05 said “WMBH / Amish living will be a drastic enough change. Till people learn to flourish again.”
I’m reading a book about the Amish. Flourishing isn’t in their vocabulary. And I guess it won’t be in any insular, geneologically obsessed microsociety that believes in exile or servitude.
The Amish are living fossils. Amazing.
By the way, any time anyone wants to they can emulate the best parts of their culture.
I, for one eschew showering and sponge bathe. Its superior to showering, soaping up and shampooing. But I digress. You didn’t come hear to read anything new.
No people who are worth giving a shit about would let people destroy and pollute their groundwater. I include the entire state of Pennsylvania in that metric.
The Ohio Amish are about out of cousins to inbreed with and the Kingdom of Lichtenstein doesn’t export sectarian exiles.
Plus the Amish are surrounded by- America. It doesn’t look good. I’ll bet even odds on the Bolivian colonies. Recently a bunch of town fathers were using an agricultural pesticide to create a sort of house-scale date rape drug.
Local authorities in possession of forensics and rape kits figured out a multi-generational gang of chemical rapists. And this, from a culture which has never watched Wife Swap. How??
Somehow, I doubt you read much of the link. At any rate, it’s sort of silly, arguing about what Father Culture has the biggest dick. I like it all, and if something about Persian culture tickles my fancy, I see no point in diminishing another. Moreover, no matter if Persian or Irish culture, it cannot be argued that civilization is always marching forward to more advanced levels. Some things when lost, are gone for good, even if our modern smugness believes that arcane treasures or the spirit of an epoch can be retrieved by a Google search.
Bravo to Mr Kunstler for condemning NDAA. And not a word from the Mainsteam Media nor the loyal oppostion, Fox.
Here’s a condemnation from a classical perspective: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/fein-obama-god
Where do you stand on the New World Order’s attempt to coerce Uganda into accepting Homosexuality – which is against both Traditional and Christian Ugandan Culture?
FROM:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
Existentialism ?
I know, I understand, it would be like “giving up”, like “declaring defeat”, a scott free pure FREE RIDE, HANDOUT, a FREE LUNCH just doesn’t click with our stone age mental computer program. But most of all, most people would think “Now What ?”, they wouldn’t have “Anything to Do” (as if they are actually doing much anyways in most jobs today), they have been programmed (since the stone ages, but actually during the stone ages they just did “what was necessary”, much smarter than us forcing ourselves to do a lot of make believe effort that leads to nothing, go figure) to always “Do Something”, to always have a “Goal” a “Target”, etc. Well, guess what ? The era of work labor, targets and goals are over forever, it will never come back again, it is no longer in the cards, just suck it up and get used to it, this is the “New Normal”. The Technological Economy eliminates way more (real) jobs than it creates, just say it, admit it, don’t hide the facts anymore.
We should really “Give Up”, that is exactly what we would should do, “Declare Defeat”, that is the right thing to do, don’t worry, it’s ok, there is nothing wrong with that, you will be ok, it is not a sin, god won’t punish you. And in fact the best thing to do is to park thousands of trillions of new people that will be born (because we will really need them all to build our thousands of trillions of skyscrapers, rockets and cadillacs) in front of TVs and let them watch TV for 24 hours a day for trillions of years. That is perfection achieved, an automatic life, all problems solved, you have achieved all, you can’t get much better, it can never get much better than this. Of course all the environmentalist and greenies and alternative lifestyle thugs are against TV, they are still fighting that same battle since the 1950s, go figure, what c*cks! But TV is the solution not the problem.
You better get used to being bored, to not having anything to do anymore, to not having any goals anymore, to not achieving your “career”, to not being equal to all the other turds anymore, to not thinking that you are a special little turd who “worked hard” to have more than Mrs Jones next door, who is a layabout, welfare queen, etc.
And yet, when real projects and real goals, real targets and real large scale efforts are proposed, in short REAL WORK FOR REAL ACHIEVEMENTS, everyone runs away, everyone criticizes them, everyone calls them socialism and bad and killing nature and Resources are Running Out and we can’t do them, the crappy democratic process of everyone against everyone would block all the projects (that is why we would need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship) etc. But at the same time, they all chant and think that they will be “their own little bosses”, they will work hard “to achieve their own little puny goals” against others, to compare themselves against others instead of taking on the real big dog which is nature and real large scale projects that really mean something and really are achieving.
Obama should declare:
“FROM NOW ON, WE WILL GIVE OUT FREE LUNCHES, FREE RIDES TO ALL, SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS, WE WILL GIVE OUT FREE SALARIES OF 800 DOLLARS A MONTH TO ALL, AND A CHEAP RENT OF 200 DOLLARS A MONTH FOR ALL, AND ALSO START HUGE LARGE SCALE PUBLIC PRIVATE PROJECTS LIKE HIGH SPEED TRAINS ALL ACROSS THE USA, ROCKETS TO MARS AND VENUS, A MAN ON MARS AND VENUS BY THE YEAR 2020, A COMPLETE TOTAL PUBLIC MASS TRANSPORTATION OF BUS SYSTEMS ALL ACROSS THE USA SINCE OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM NOW HAS SUCH HUGE EXCESS CAPACITY THAT IT CAN EASILY ACHIEVE ALL OF THIS. THE FED WILL JUST PRINT ALL THE CASH WE NEED FOR THIS INSTEAD OF JUST HANDING IT OVER TO THE BANKS (AKA THE SAME OLD RICH INDIRECTLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN) “
In fact, Excess Capacity is really what this Technological Economy is all about: we have such huge economies of scale, so many millions of people idle worldwide, and so much free money that we could start hundreds of huge large scale projects and at the same time give out scott free handouts to hundreds of millions without any problem at all. Instead all of the excess capacity that can express itself (since the economic system must repress as much excess capacity from expressing itself as possible by keeping hundreds of millions of potential workers (so many young kids all across the planet) idle or else we would be saturated with goods and cash in banks, go figure) is simply converted into trillions of dollars that the same old few thousands of rich families worldwide hog up, not even wanting all that cash but simply because the system automatically is set up to make that excess capacity expressed in cash accumulate in the hands of the top 1 %.
And ironically, it is actually very hard for them to spend so much cash, trillions upon trillions of dollars: just think, how on earth can you really spend all that cash ? it is really insane! Once those families buy their new house and their Cadillac, well now what ? what else can they possibly spend it on ? another house and an Oldsmobile ninety eight, but then there is still way too much cash to know what to do with, so they just play global poker games with finance, stock markets, banks, speculation and all, and call it “Advanced Services”, while any real large scale projects are considered bad, socialism and the welfare state.
There won’t be any more real jobs in the future, unless you simply invent them: we could write down all the Internet web pages with paper and pencil (or in Europe on Paper and Pen), write all the contents of Computers on paper, millions of people writing things on paper, that would create a lot of work.
Of course, it is all wrong, I am a clown, I admit it: if even one millimeter of what I said would be applied it would all go haywire, the mental computer programs would crash in a jiffy, how I love to be wrong, to see all my large scale theoretical structures collapse in a jiffy, how it would reveal how wrong I was on everything by just trying to apply one bit, what a failure…
QUO VADIS, BABY ?
TOBOR AN 8 MAN
Vlad Krandz has got to be a bitter little fucktard if his only pride in life is the color of his skin. Why we can’t ship shitheads like that to Idaho and put a wall around the whole place is mystery to me.
If Obama was actually some kind of Kenyan-anti-colonial manchurian candidate the first thing he’d do is toss all the white-supremest asshats into the back of a cattle truck and ship them to Gitmo. A few weeks of sensory deprivation and they’d admit to anything they were told to.
None of this namby-pamby Bush Administration waterboarding either. The full stuffed into a soundproof box in a dark-temperature controlled room brainwash. Several kidnappers have done this to victims and they turn into virtual zombie-slaves that can only recover after months of deprogramming.
Then off to the sugar fields of Florida to enjoy the benefits of a slave’s life that they so often tout. Sunshine, exercise and all the sugar cane your rotting teeth can chew.
Well, shit in one hand and wish in the other……
Quit making sense; it’s way out of line with the tone of this comment thread. There’s an organization called WWOOF, World Wide Opportunity on Organic Farms. People PAY for the privilege of traveling to farms and working as a dirt farmer for free.
People PAY for the privilege of helping build Cob of Straw Bale houses. Not just free labor; people pay you to allow them to help. There are millionaires milking goats twice a day and pruning grapes; peasant work.
And these crazy bastards think that people don’t want to work. The truth is that people have to be stopped from working by force. They would take over empty lots and garden them if the police wouldn’t come and destroy their work.
We should just be honest instead of playing “make believe”: instead of keeping on pretending we live in and acting in this comic book version of the economy where we make believe that “the economy generates jobs”, there “will be jobs for all” and such huge BS, just admit that it doesn’t work like that anymore, in fact it hasn’t been working like that for decades, but we kept on extending and pretending that that was the “natural state of things” when all we were doing was making believe the jobs were there by creating make believe jobs, make believe new “innovations” (especially make believe competition by hire, fire, restructure, open and close factories and and all hogging up profits by all of this) just to keep on changing everything to not change anything at all, etc.
And calling it a “healthy economy”: what a boatload of crap !
We must get out of this stone age mentality and start targeting the future, we must become honest and call a spade a spade, and stop making believe we still live in the 18th century. We could start by sending a Man to Mars by the year 2020 and a complete worldwide mass transportation BUS system with millions of high quality luxury BUSES having Rolls Royce suspension systems (the advances of technology can be used by all and appreciated by all)…
You are one of the few objective voices on CFN and, unless I am incorrect, the only person to declare this as the Second Dark Age. On your blog, you pose interesting unsolvable dilemmas: 1) If fracking then polluted water, if no fracking then no oil, 2) If we don’t keep kicking the can down the road economically, is collapse a viable alternative for the majority who are stuck in the system, and 3) If we work on our debts, which group gets arbitrarily picked to be economically wrecked and homeless??
It takes moral courage to admit of insoluble dilemmas because the easy way out at historical extremes is to posit that there’s a “blue sky” solution when BOTH “solutions” create ruinous consequences. I’ve never commented on your posts but they are absolutely unique and never gild anyone’s lily.
E.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
Interesting reply from:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/this-ripe-moment.html
“Quit making sense; it’s way out of line with the tone of this comment thread. There’s an organization called WWOOF, World Wide Opportunity on Organic Farms. People PAY for the privilege of traveling to farms and working as a dirt farmer for free.
People PAY for the privilege of helping build Cob of Straw Bale houses. Not just free labor; people pay you to allow them to help. There are millionaires milking goats twice a day and pruning grapes; peasant work.
And these crazy bastards think that people don’t want to work. The truth is that people have to be stopped from working by force. They would take over empty lots and garden them if the police wouldn’t come and destroy their work.
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Yes, but I think even this is mostly psychological (actually most of these “economic problems” etc. are almost all psychological – cultural): if you decide to do it (a task, a job, an activity), then it is your own will power that is expressing itself against another real or imagined “contrasting will power”, but if they (the boss or government or any someone else) tells you to do it then they are forcing their will power against yours and it becomes WORK, etc.
But even this can be somewhat overcome if the goal is large scale projects that serialize and accumulate the results of labor, working for the “common good”, but in the last 20 or 30 years it has become fashionable for everyone to work against everyone else, to not create common goals and common wealth and large scale projects for the common good, therefore “be your own boss and start your own company” and become the next Bill Gates or the next freckled face punk who created facebook….
Yeah, there’s no favoritism toward Israel. I mean, we all know that they are NOT a nuclear power in violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.
Sigh. Israel is the ONLY country in the world known by everybody from the taxi driver to Kim Jong Il’s replacement to have deliverable nukes. The USA, which continues to play this game of being the world’s last virtuecrat, nods whenever Israel lies … to say nothing of our alliances with bedbugs like the House of Saud while claiming to be allies with the Libyan Rebels and their “just rights for self determination”.
Not that there’s any particularly virtuous country left. We’re all in a mad resource grab and justifying the unconscionable with heavy philosophy while we’re trying to out-pillage the Chinese.
E.
Not giving a shit is officially “in”.
As the spinmeisters of the financial community work like hell to get the public to believe that lagging and coincident indicators are harbingers of the future, you can be sure that an amazing amount of sanctified looting is taking place in the country.
Of course, the Chinese Finance Minister’s forecast of “grim” for the world economy of 2012 coupled with ECRI’s worst readings since 2008 do not even come up for discussion on Bubblevision (CNBC) or their faux “competitors” Fox Biz and Bloomberg who trot out one idiot money manager after another with “buy” exhortations.
The Ides of THIS March will not be Caeser’s bete noire. It will be ours. That’s about when there will be full realization that Goldman Sachs’ unemployment spike forecast wasn’t a pun. Yes, even evil organizations mix a little truth in with their lies because it maintains just enough credibility to allow them to remain covertly devious.
E.
Vlad says:
“You need to study some Fascist Theory. Fascism is the Radical Center, the Third Position (think of the high angle of an equilateral triangle). By no means is Fascism just in the middle, a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And to say that is just conservatism is crazy. I mean obviously Capitalism is insufficient and equally obviously Communism is a sham, and a vicious one at that. Fascism rejects both completely in terms of their ideology or approach to life – thus the vertical height. The useful aspects of both it retains – thus its place equal distance from the other angles.
Hitler tried to join Unions but they insisted that he slander Germany which he refused to do. But he made clear that he despised the brutality of the Industrialists and Business Magnates.”
I answer:
Vlad must have a lot of free time on his hands (just like millions of others (but not me, I am busy “working hard”), all a result of excess capacity), a lot of free time to waste on all of this theoretical BS. He is a slave to his mind always trying to justify, compare, etc. Hey, Vlad, why don’t you build some thousands of trillions of skyscrapers and 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights ? Or are you like Busty who doesn’t obey his boss, since I am the boss of both of you and you disobey my commands, jackasses… (but at least Busty has a hot young chick for a girlfriend, you are a lost case).
What always fascinates me is how simple reality really is as compared to our never ending complex blocks of texts, theories, ideas, science, calculations etc. After all the thinking, the justifications, the theories, the ideological battles and all, then you just go outside and within a split second distraction get run over by a car and die. So cool! Like after all the high theory, when real people have to interact it all boils down to a simple fight, a simple conflicting will power story, a simple A wants the same thing that B wants, they fight, whoever wins takes the prize, or even simpler A wants C and B wants the opposite of C, just because, because Man is conflictual, contradictory structurally, almost as if A wants C, B will want the opposite of C just because, to have an excuse to fight, to distinguish himself compared to B, etc.
Vlad is probably a black who is just taking this website for a ride, or a white old man who is a queer and would like to have a black boyfriend or something like that…
Yeah, there’s no favoritism toward Israel. I mean, we all know that they are NOT a nuclear power in violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.
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Israel can’t be in violation of a treaty it did not sign. Not that signing a treaty really means anything, as these things are broken as soon as they become in the least bit inconvenient. Canada breaking the Kyoto treaty, being the latest example.
I’ve already answered that. These are all Vatican organizations.
It was “The Hollow Men” by TS Eliot.
This is pretty entertaining. You may be on to something. I was discussing this situation with LewisLucanBooks and postulated that Vlad might be black in one of two scenarios: [1] like in an early Dirty Harry movie, he could be a black nationalist in public, who in reality is actually a confidential informant or police snitch or else, [2] a light skinned black passing for white.
You don’t meet many white men who are obsessed with being white unless they are either incarcerated or else living in a “changing” neighborhood and basically under siege [sp?]. So could Vlad be posting from prison?
On the other hand everyone needs a hobby, so what the hell? It gets creepy though when people start ranting about the Jews. Since I have a German surname and my first name is spelled with a “C” instead of a “K” and when younger I had black wavy hair many people would challenge me demanding to know whether or not I was Jewish. I was always taken aback by this although in a sense it could be a compliment, since of course Jews are more intelligent than all these stupid Anglo-Americans who waste their school years on stupid shit like sports and baton twirling. I am about half Celtic and half Anglo-Teutonic, typical for an American.
In terms of tribal conflict one observation I had for an Irish immigrant coworker once who was obsessed with the presumed shittiness of the British: first, Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about the British because WE BEAT THEM, then later RESCUED THEIR SORRY ASSES TWICE. So we got it out of our systems. Secondly, if I really wanted to upset Sean I would point out the obvious, that is that the Irish are British themselves, and that when they immigrated to the United States their papers were stamped “emigrated from the British Empire”. Sean in fact came here with a British passport. This is why at Johnny’s Barbershop we always referred to him as “the British Beautician” and not, “the Irish Barber”. Just as the Irish are British the British are Low German. And so it goes. I’m sure that the space aliens are really impressed with us since in the words of Stanton Friedman the chief business of the inhabitants of this planet is tribal warfare. How did I get off on this tangent when I’m not even stoned yet?
I’m sure that the space aliens are really impressed with us since in the words of Stanton Friedman the chief business of the inhabitants of this planet is tribal warfare.
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Without our tribe we’d be adrift in a sea of emptiness much like Asoka is. I’ll take my primitive tribalism over the lonely existence that is Asoka, any day.
But A against B is part of a more general structure of the Universe and namely contrasting will powers, or contrasting elements that are independent from each other. Of course, we come back to the same infinite recursion problems of how are the contrasting – independent entities (or will powers) delimited, where does one start and the other end, are they always subtly connected, are they completely disjoint, are they contrasting but also collaborating to create stability ? but a pure will power particle must have some independent parts, some parts that do not depend on its will power, as in the will power must be a function of some invariants since if all was will power, each will power would have vanishingly small power, and the particle would disintegrate amongst an infinite sea of vanishingly small contrasting will powers. But are will powers simply a proxy for independent parts, for colliding particles and the existence of the will powers become real and effective only the moment the collision occurs and then disappears again ? Is existence only interaction ? Point like instantaneous interactions that come and go, that exist only for a fleeting, vanishingly small moment (probably closer to zero time and zero space, no space and time at all, hence a pure Mathematical Entity, a Pure Information Relationship) ?
But a new Law of Physics may declare that only so much Matter may be delimited as Will Power, may impose only a very limited number of will power particles in the universe, hence this is the explanation of why we are mostly alone in the universe, the Fermi Paradox as understood under the light of the potential catastrophic disintegration of the universe by too many will power particles contrasting each other and deciding to not create any possible stable entity. Imagine a universe having only will power particles, completely saturated with such pure Free Willonium, a monolithic block of Pure Free Willonium. Imagine an extension of your own will power that could control even the design of all your body, the neural circuits of its own mind, it could control and design a new Man Brain for itself and maybe even control the design of its atoms, the Laws of Physics, even the design of its own “will power structure”, creating an infinite number of new analogous structures, or ever different, ever more wild, imagine insanity achieved, all the external reality, the streets, the planets, all and all dependent on your will power (or more correctly will powers).
How many different contrasting will powers would you be made up of ? and how could you even be stable in any possible way, always “changing your mind”, “unresolved internal conflicts”, imagine the limit of the numbers of will powers and the powers that they could have tending towards infinity. Very interesting, very frightening, very cool. And absurd, as is all when you start to think about it a little bit deeper…
By the way Vlad, I am Black, A Nigger, have a nice day…
Holy Shit, AntiSoak, you are back … with a vengeance!!!
And you’ve done your homework.
Obama’s chief of staff, Bill Daley, has quit. Right now there are white house emissaries visiting Wall Street boardrooms, looking for a new chief of staff.
–WSP7
Hey Metusaleh, speaking of space aliens, check out the film ‘Aliens and Cowboys’, with Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford. Its Great!!!
–WSP7
Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it.
–WSP7
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
[quote=”Kriswest”]Oh i have read your posts and what i see is you wishing to enslave people on a very nasty level. You want big brother, just like they have in North Korea. you are kidding yourself if you think it won’t happen. At the borders of north Korea the guards face inwards not outwards. this is what you propose , this is what you are asking for in the long run. When the government doles out and controls as you wish it to, then it gains total control. Power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely. socialism is needed but on a very small scale, other wise it removes human drive ingenuity. If you have the drive and the intelligence you can do anything you desire. Do what you propose and you wear Gov’t issued clothes live in a government issued home with government issued furniture, eating govt issued food and doing whatever the govt’ tells you to do. And if your kid or you complain your gov’t will charge your family the price of a bullet to kill you before you cause a rebellion. If this is such an ideal way to live then why are the guards in North korea worried about people leving? why do they kill those that try to leave the country? this is the socialism you propose in the long run. Sounds good on paper but reality sucks.[/quote]
I like the way you respond: what are you stupid or what ? are you taking me for a ride or what ? (probably, I deserve it as I have been taking myself and all these blogs forums for a ride like forever).
You don’t address anything of what I say, you just say I want a North Korean type of country, or that anything I say directly implies that a country becomes like North Korea. Cool. A very easy way to respond, don’t think about it, don’t debate it, just reply with a standard decades old cliche, anything that is “common good” or socialized, any large scale common project, any honesty in admitting that the technological economy kills jobs structurally means Stalin styled communism.
But that is ok, that is fine, in all debates, everyone replies in non coherent ways, it is all ok, if I say A, you will say B, no one can back up anything, it is all opinions, beliefs, all just a choice, just a waste of time.
Anyways, for the record, I am for a mixed economy, I always say public – private, if someone can make it on his own so much the better, if you can invent a new startup so much the better, all kinds of formulas can be used in an open, free economy, no problem with that. Experiment and use all kinds of economic solutions and structures, as long as they work.
I am saying simply that the real large scale trends of this Technological Economy imply some very different solutions because it generates huge free wealth and excess capacity, hence we can afford free salaries and cheap rents for all. And also as large a private sector economy as can be developed, in fact, with my solution, the private sector and startup economy and be your own boss economy would have a huge boom like no other time in history exactly because so many large scale projects would generate so many new private services and jobs and manufacturing, etc.
My solution is actually a way to save Capitalism especially from itself, my solution is actually the most pro capitalist solution you can possibly find, the most pro private economy you can find (in fact the greens and environmentalist and resource scarcity doomsters are the real anti capitalist, anti consumerist, anti private economy, but not anti rich since their ideology just concentrates ever more wealth in the hands of the already rich. And in fact I can’t stand their (greens and doomsters) guts, hate them with all of your guts, we need to use nature as a tool, it is not a religion). But what we have today is an old fashioned stone age mentality that doesn’t want to distribute the cash generated automatically into large scale projects (the only ones really capable of creating real jobs) but simply let the same old few thousands of rich families that have been hogging up all the cash for decades, keep on hogging up the cash while hundreds of millions of people worldwide remain idle, unemployed and without any goal.
“Obama’s chief of staff, Bill Daley, has quit. Right now there are white house emissaries visiting Wall Street boardrooms, looking for a new chief of staff.”
–WSP7
LOL They’re probably doing exactly that.
But why go to such trouble? Just tape a list of Goldman Sachs honchos up on the wall and throw a dart. ‘Long as they can talk pretty good, have the sovereignty of G.S. uppermost in their mind, and are reasonably civil, why get too picky?
Dat was fer dat…. ;o)
“If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it?”– Edward L. Bernays
I’d say that’s quite possible, Eddie, quite possible. Now let’s get to Vegas and see what kinda odds they’re giving on the future of humankind, hmmm?
Hamilton wanted America to create a Central Bank just like the Bank of England – which had already been infiltrated by one of Rothschild’s sons. Luckily Jefferson and Adams saw the danger. These are well known facts.
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Well known facts where? I read dozens of books annually on history and had an undergrad degree in History and I’ve never seen any mention of the founding fathers talking about the “Rothchild’s”.
Well known in the un-reality zone that is your mind apparently.
Bloomberg/Petraeus versus Obama/Clinton, who do you see winning?
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what difference does it make?
Good point to bring up. Back in the mid 70’s there was an author named Von Daniken(Chariots of the Gods) who wrote about “extraterrestial” sites in South America. While interesting, some were proven to have actually been at sea level at one time. Plates shift every so often. One good nudge and Japan could become the next Atlantis. So could New York or anywhere else for that fact. This planet is an live,everchanging entity. It seems that almost everytime there is some excravation for a new building over in Israel or the ME, the remains of some ancient civilazation is uncovered. And the deeper they dig the more they find.
Climate change is real fore sure. It is a naturaly reoccuring geological event ! If any of you would take the time to study a little Earth Science or Geology at the high school level you can get your heads around the coming changes. So Fuck the blame game ! We should sart to make plans accordingly. If the ice caps are going to melt and raise the sea levels 50 feet,then break out the topographical maps and start making plans to move cities and their corrosponding inferstructure to higher ground starting now. There’s a lot of stuff on low coastal plains that won’t work under water…like nuke’s and oil refineries. Some stratgic planing would surely remove the possibility of environmental disasters down the road if and when the water raises. And on another warm&fuzzy bright note. Think of all the new Real Estate op’s for new beachfront property development at the 60 foot mark !
Also, back in the mid 70’s when I was in college,the bet then was that we were on the cusp of a New Ice Age. It was lead by some of the same folks that are now crying Global Warming ! This was reinforced by the brutaly cold winters starting around ’75 and running up to around 1980. Speeches were given,grant money was passed around like candy and bucu books were printed and sold. By their accounts, by this point in time we would be under the ice cap again here in Michigan and they could build a ski lift down at Disney-Orlando. Might still happen but the timeline seems a little off. However in matters of preperation for change, I think we should at least start.
And again, we need to stop the blame / guilt bullshit and start making plans for the mega move to the 60 foot mark !
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=4&t=177834
On parallel universes: I don’t think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn’t really work in reality.
Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don’t express all the possible combinations….
Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can’t conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica…
TOBOR ATE MAN
Probably more like Dorito’s with a twist of lime !
‘Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it.”
–WSP7
And hey, we will see how superior the US military is once Iranian cruise missiles start hitting them.
And we will see how superior Europe is once Iranian cruise missiles take out all the oil distribution, storage & shipping terminals in the Persian Gulf, and they can’t get no more oil for several years, except from Russia, who will make them bend over the barrel for it.
Ah, your militaristic fantasies continue to be boring.
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The truth seems insane to you because you’ve been cocooned by a web of lies. You’ve been so isolated from the truth by government propaganda and lies, that when you actually hear the truth it sounds insane.
I assure that I’m saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.
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I could spend a lot of time deconstructing this for you, in terms of why you would believe your “research” (which no doubt is on some anti-catholic website), or how you can distinquish between “propaganda” and what you currently believe…..or how “the government” got control of the publishing industry in virtually every country in the world….. but why bother?
Anyone who thinks that Stalin and Hitler were on the same page hasn’t the slightest idea what happened between 1939 and 1945, and would only regard it as “propaganda” if it disagreed with his crazy notions anyway….so carry on looney boy.
That was from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
On parallel universes: I don’t think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn’t really work in reality.
Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don’t express all the possible combinations….
Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can’t conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica…
TOBOR ATE MAN
Is this the sword of Damocles that hangs over the “white shoe boys” and their debt-denominated con jobs?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30190.htm
(Just one reason things could get ugly.)
Brilliant. That’s some absolutely stupendous trollery, right there. “Notice how you NEVER hear how the Vatican is responsible for fluoridation? See, that PROVES what evil geniuses they are! Wake up, sheeple!” The classics never get old. *rolleyes*
“You don’t meet many white men who are obsessed with being white unless they are either incarcerated or else living in a “changing” neighborhood and basically under siege [sp?]. So could Vlad be posting from prison?”
I have always kinda felt that this might be true, plus, his hatred of blacks could be due to having been raped while in prison.
Altho, he might also be out on parole and living in an old trailer in some park in the mid-west somewhere. Or in a cheap, low rent residential hotel in the seedier part of some mid-western city, such as St. Louis.
He seems well read, so I have also pictured Vlad as middle aged, probably with dark hair & a beard. He seems to hit the nite-shift here alot, so if he works, he works at night, probably as a security guard at a mall, and gets home after midnight to start posting here. Knowing the employment situation in the US right now, perhaps he is working two min-wage jobs, one in the afternoon, one at nite.
He holds lots of bitter resentment bottled up inside, he may at some point go to the mall with a gun and just start shooting, with his targets being persons of color.
Sad, sad, little man.
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“It isn’t, so no change will be forthcoming. False hope is a waste of energy. I can understand your passion on this point, but I don’t see it as ultimately fruitful. Other “factors” of the Great Crumbling will intervene, IMHO.”
-ozone, concerning immigration reduction-
O3, this gets us to the question of “Timeline to Collapse,” which you and I have addressed before.
As I’ve agreed, if your “Great Crumbling” occurs within some reasonable number of years – then yeah, this years immigrants are not a particular problem, because one year’s numbers are so small, relative to the total numbers.
But, if the “Great Crumbling,” is already occurring (it is, IMO), but continues to Crumble at today’s slow rate for the next two decades, or three decades, or longer.
That brings us to a United States population of 450,000,000+ – on a demolished landmass that will support far fewer than 200,000,000.
Google “topsoil depletion” There’s some solid data that “peak topsoil” is going to become a problem before peak fossil fuels.
In this regard, BustinJ is 100% correct. The US has already passed through a population threshold – that makes the huge majority of us dependent on city living and factory foods. We can’t go “back to the land,” because we’ll kill the land if we do.
Someday, there are going to be a lot of people in the former US of A – who will be wishing that they had stayed home, and worked for a better day where they were already living.
I’m just being proactive with the warnings.
BTW Vlad,
Don’t try to back in to reality by avoiding your original statement which was:
“The Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America”
Where is your evidence for the founding fathers fearing the Rothchilds? After that you can try to justify your statement regarding the “infiltration” of the BOE by the Rothchilds….but one hate filled, fantasy laced, anti-semitic lie at a time please.
Or are the long forgoten spawn of Hiram Abiff ?
Same old racism from Vlad. Your heart bleeds for the suffering, provided they’re white. If they’re non-white, on the other hand, the suffering deserve their fate.
Under Jim Crow, when white racists held the levers of power, they could easily draft laws that framed black lifeways as crimes by definition, then scream self-righteously about black criminality. More recently, when it was observed that some black people had a taste for cocaine in rock form, versus their white counterparts who preferred powder cocaine, guess whose prison sentences were measured in decades as opposed to years, months or probation? There’s nothing like a racist for stacking the deck against others while ranting that the object of their hate wants special treatment.
No disagreement from me.
Yep, it’s all about the timeline. The crises seem to be piling on faster and faster. (I’m sure you’ve noticed this, and I believe it to be “awakening” to these predicaments rather than an expression of “panic”.) I believe the speed of collapse will be exponential as the real weight of troubles are verified and laid atop one another. I think you feel it will be more gradual.
The only thing about placing my bets on “quicker”?
Ah, it’s the higher price (in rubles) I pay for nuts and bolts. Get your timing right, and you could pick up some actual things of value for very few rubles in the deflationary period.
Yes, and whatever it is is located inside Metuselah’s skull. Met’s theories are to political analysis what ice cream, wrapped in bacon, with a side of surströmming are to cuisine.
BTW, for an example of just how fast a “problem” can accelerate (by action and reaction), simply refer to that ICH article I linked to and look at the timeline. Didn’t take long to get to gunboat diplomacy did it?
Foreign Conspiracy
Foreign Conspiracy, published in 1835 by Professor Samuel Morse (inventor of the telegraph and Morse Code), explores the religious and political hi-jacking of the U.S. Republic, who is behind it, how they operate and what remedy can be taken to thwart their plans for installing a Vatican backed dictatorship in North America.
Vatican backed dictatorship in North America — sound familiar? Vatican backed dictatorship in Europe — does that sound familiar?
– http://goo.gl/Xy3pr
Also see:
The Transformation of the Republic by C. T. Wilcox.
How the Jesuits and Vatican Murdered Lincoln, Instigated the Civil War, and Transformed American History
Howdy Bustin, Per some of your comments about the Amish: “The Ohio Amish are about out of cousins to inbreed with and the Kingdom of Lichtenstein doesn’t export sectarian exiles.”
I happen to have a number of Amish neighbors from the Ohio clique living on a farm cheek by jowl to mine. I have been thinking about replying to the CFNers who seriously believe the Amish have a secure grasp on the “good” life for some time. Here a a few of my observations:
1. The Ohio Amish moving into northern NY do so because NY has a hands off approach to them; thereby, allowing them to live the way they want. I would compare the Ohio Amish to the Ultra Orthodox Jewish with reference to their extremisms of belief.
2. Amish are extremely prejudicial toward blacks.
3. Amish children and women are for all intents and purposes indentured servants. Children 3-4 years old weeding gardens, with and without their mothers, a very common sight.
4. Amish children are brainwashed and/or psychologically manipulated to preclude their having any freedom of thought particularly with respect to their religious beliefs which are the basis for their 1800’s period life style.
5. Amish are as hypocritical as any other group of humans. The Ohio clique absolutely no electricity; however, acceptable in their milk houses as long as the milk buyer hooks it up, is one of many exceptions. Most of the men smoke pipes; I assume this is to keep them healthy. 🙂
6. I have attempted to engage one of the more enlightened of my neighbors in a discussion of their religious beliefs, to no avail.
7. They shun most things modern yet eat at McD’s, buy canned and plastic wrapped foods in the local grocery’s yet make their own clothing.
8. They use candles, no running water, out houses, wood stoves (me too), diesel powered saw mills and gasoline powered wood working tools for their cabinet and furniture making enterprises.
9. Abe (my neighbor) readily admits that if TSHTF the Amish will not be any better off than the English (their term for us) because we are their largest customer base and produce most of the manufactured materials they need to eek out a living.
I’ll sign off for now as I could go on and on and on concerning the Amish and the folklore that surrounds them that my observations lead me to opine is Bullshit.
SNAFU
This will become a very popular cuisine. The truth always is.
Dear Wagelaborer,
You wrote:
“Clearly, you know nothing about the Green Party, or its position on money creation.”
and
“I suggest that you check out the website, note that the Green Party has been on this issue for years, and refrain from slandering us anymore.”
I DID check out the Green Party a long time ago, looking for a political group that reflected my desire to save America from the corporate banksters, and I found your party lacking, sad to say. Oh yes, they do have a “platform” on the need for monetary reform – WAY down at the bottom at Number 2, Subsection I, Section 4. Yes…apparently it’s a HUGE topic of conversation for the Greens…
I SUGGEST YOU take a look at yourself before attacking other Americans who have done their homework on the Green Party and found it lacking, when it comes to opposing the banksters with the vim and vigor required to actually make a meaningful change in this country.
Once the Green Party puts the issue of creating our own money via the government and not the for-profit banks FRONT and CENTER then they might stand a snowball’s chance of getting elected, because that would truly be standing up for the People. And I encourage you to do so! Get your leaders making every speech about this most important topic. Stage your rallies around giving the money power back to the People. Put up banners and posters. Send out flyers. Knock on doors and hold town hall meetings. For God’s sake – DO SOMETHING other than stick a small plank on an obscure portion of the website and call it good!!!
The Foundation Party of America makes the issue of money creation and the will of the People a CENTRAL POSITION, and not just some passing reference amongst all the other myriad lists of demands. Money and Capital are integral to the functioning of a society and should therefore be key to the government’s protection of society. The Foundation Party acknowledges this fact and fights every day to give the power back to the People.
I stand by what I said before, the Green Party just does not get it. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but there are a lot of people out there getting more than their feelings hurt right now…
Best regards,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim
You got that right, lbendet!
When people tell me they fear that elections will be cancelled, I scoff.
The elections are the biggest circus going, to keep us pacified.
We’ve already been through months of it, and still have 10 months to go.
They would never stop the pretense of voting. Sure, half the population no longer participates, seeing very clearly how worthless it is, but the other half falls for it everytime.
A great post and an unyielding provocation for the new year. It truly is time for folks to open their eyes to the reality of the surrounding sham. The big question, hnowever, still remains. I bring this up over and over and the discussion of it remains sparse….Who are the leaders that will lead us out of this mess? Where are they? How are they planning a path out of this corrupting miasma? Most people still believe that politicians are leaders……they may be, but not necesarrily. Clearly the politicians of today are NOT. Politicians have become power brokers interested in their own power base and their own personal greed. Yet are diurnal lives are full of politics and not leadership…..or, as I would call it….spiritics….those who lead by spirit and conviciton of spirit. Leadership is about problem solving….and that’s where we’re at….a point at which we need to solve our problems. Who will lead that? Where is Spartacus or Cincinnatus or Jean D’Arc when we need them????
Well, Edward Bernays was already using it.
And George W. Bush also was told that repeating things until people “understood them” was his job.
I had a teacher who always said “Repetition is the key to learning”.
I think our ruling overlords have learned the lesson well.
They repeat absurdities until they don’t seem absurd anymore, and those who point out that they are absurd are ridiculed by the others. Amazing.
So much the worse for both Traditional and Christian Ugandan Culture, then. Innocent Ugandans are being threatened with taxpayer-funded homicide for private, consensual behaviour that is their own business and no one else’s. That kind of thing could almost make one grateful for a candidate who is only as bad as Rick Santorum.
According to the management at my place of employment, the federal government will withhold 2% of all Medicare funds starting next year until October, at which point only those hospitals in the top 20% of the country will receive the funds.
This is a lot like No Child Left Behind.
Every year hospitals will be judged, not just on their ability to provide good care, (by checking mortality rates post surgery, for instance), but also on their Press Ganey scores, which is surveys that a small minority of patients turn in.
So every year, less and less money will go to hospitals (this is on top of the money just taken from Medicare and used to give to private insurance companies, to “subsidize” poor people), and, inevitably, hospitals will close. Most hospitals survive with Medicare and Medicaid funds.
So, time is life, sometimes. Time is muscle. The Golden Hour. We have a lot of sayings about that. A long distance to the closest hospital can mean death for some people.
And increased co-payments make medicine impossible to buy for some people. And some people depend on medicine to keep them alive. As I said, if they die, it’s because they were sick, so it won’t seem that strange. It’s just that they could have been kept alive.
It was on a busride with a bunch of Europeans that I realized that I preferred Americans.
I can’t help it, I suppose. But I just like the American way of being friendly and cracking jokes and the rest of it.
Poetry is a different part of culture, you’re right. But I like American music and American movies and American books.
I don’t have a passport. I’m pretty typical American, except for my left wing views.
On point # 1. Maybe they could swing thru Brooklyn and boost the gene pool among the Ortodox ?
On point # 7, here in Michigan they will gladly come over and use your phone and sneak a peek at the TV if you let them in.
And on the missed point #10. Have you ever seen any Amish women that were beautiful ? Most of what I’ve seen out in Hillsdale County, MI. are very plain looking. Must be the inbreding.
One more observation is that their bathing habits are about the same as the Orthodox. I’ll always remember riding on the subway in the summer and having to stand next to one or more of the Orthodox men. Nasty group of people ! Especially during a hot humid NYC summer. Please don’t be offended Jim. I’ll bet you bathe.
Rhino,
It depends upon who controls Washington as to whether the Northeast or the South secedes first, though I’d lay money on it being the South as well. Also, don’t rule out El Norte as being the catalyst. (George Friedman at Stratfor actually puts this as a very high probability event, albeit towards the end of the 21st century). However, once it happens, it will also significantly up the possibility that it will happen throughout the country. Countries can take decades to assemble, but can disintegrate in weeks. I also think this will be the case here. Such a breakup may occur within the next ten years, or the next fifty, but when it comes, it will be swift.
It’s also worth noting that had Fort Sumter not happened, it was very likely that Lincoln would have let the South secede. Historical documents from that period indicated that in 1860, sentiment was high on all sides that the North and South were just not destined to work as a single country, and many on the North were just as happy to see the South go as people in the South were. Yet when an unauthorized group of “partisans” in the South attacked Ft. Sumter, this was seen as a deliberate provocation, and attitudes changed overnight.
You know, I thought that asoka’s link to John McCain was pretty chilling, but the sheer blustering immorality of Marlin’s boast creeps me out beyond belief.
I hereby take back the nice things I said about Americans.
Dee, what do you think would happen should the Iranians shoot first ? My bet is that we would teach them and the world a serious lession in Nuclear diplomacy. As one of those Trident BMS’s out there in the Indian Ocean unleashes a few MIRV’d Tridents.
There was a joke back in ’79 that went like this: Q) What do you call a sheet of glass that glows in the dark ?
A) Iran if they kill the hostages !
And the song remains the same. Their leadership knows full well what will happen. And I’ll bet they’re holding their breath everytime our carrier battle group cruises by. The biggest fear is not their leadership giving the order,but an overzealous grunt taking it upon himself to smoke the great satan while they’re so close.
I surely hope and pray that we never have to deal with such a scenerio.
You’re right, the Green Party does not share your obsession with money as the main problem with our society.
We’re more worried about the destruction of our ecosystem, the ongoing wars, fossil fuel use, agribusiness, the prison-industrial complex, the attack on civil liberties, and the like.
The money supply is just one part.
I’ll tell you what. You just go right ahead with your one idea, and spread it around. You’re right, more people need to know about it.
But we’re not a one platform party.
Well, as a matter of public record – and on a national forum at that – Ron Paul speaks truthfully on many of the matters I believe to be important. Although I can not defend all of his lunatic-like positions – he is the only candidate that owns up to the totality of the “rigged system” that is being forced down the throats of most Americans.
In as much that no honest politician has a chance to win high office- I prefer my vote to mark my support for a candidate that at least speaks truthfully some of the time.
Recent history indicates that the country would be in much better straits had Congress been impeded by a strong-minded lunatic-racist rather than the conniving, lying double-crossing bastards we’ve had for the the last 20 or more years.
So yes Jim, no matter how futile, how lunatic, there are voices being heard…….
“Ha ha, ancient Persian culture! Your awesome intellects are no match for our puny weapons!” I mean, no love lost for the mullahs, but sheesh.
Asoka what fantasies? I’m waiting for the Iranian Navy to challenge the 5th fleet. How long will it last? Maybe about 15 minutes.
Anyway, Asoka, Amidinijad is in Venezuela, a guest of Chavez. These are two pols you can really get behind, no pun intended.
Did you get an invite?
–WSP7
Nuclear bombs are not “diplomacy”. They are weapons of mass destruction. For you to joke about bombing Iran with nuclear bombs makes you look bad. And don’t forget that the stated reason for the threats is that Iran may someday have such a weapon. That’s the propaganda we are hearing.
I suggest that you read Ozone’s link, and put an end to your nationalistic bluster.
It’s not about you or your country, Grey. The ruling overlords are not that into you.
It’s about money and oil.
Chilling article, ozone.
He left out the part about Ghaddafi trying to sell Libyan oil in gold dinars, however.
The response was swift, and this time France was involved, not like when Saddam tried to sell Iraq’s oil in euros.
Hmmm. Euros vs dinars. I wonder why France joined in this time?
What me worry – go shopping folks -or the terrorists will follow you home and rape your daughters and sodomize you baby sons….
Film at eleven.
You’re only making yourself look more disgusting.
Celebrating mass murder because the murderers are flying your flag is sociopathic.
This isn’t a football game.
Vlad,
Quite possibly, regarding the Chinese I’d be more inclined to suspect long term assimilation rather than direct invasion. In my novel, I assumed that China may in fact have helped support a Cascadian uprising seeing it as a way to get a more solid footing in North America (Richmond, British Columbia, is the largest modern Chinatown in North America, and English is very nearly a second language there compare to Mandarin).
I also tend to concur that you’ll see a migration of the more conservative white population into the Western Alliance. Cascadia is a lot like Chile, even today – a long, thin coastal country that runs along the western edge of the Cascades. On the other side of the Cascades, the population is decidedly more conservative, and far more like that of Denver or Salt Lake City than like that of Seattle or San Francisco. Eastern and Western Washington, for instance, are culturally, environmentally, and historically two very different people, and there’s a lot of friction between the two going back since the region’s initial occupation in the mid 1860s.
Indeed, one of the big effects of such balkanization will be the creation of more homogeneous nations as people immigrate/emigrate to find cultures closer to their own values. I’d say there’s a real possibility that you might see the emergence of a buffer state emerging just north of the Appalachian Mountains, for instance, that would be largely populated by African Americans fleeing from the Deep South Apartheid (what I call Ubuntu in my novel, which is the Swahili word for Community). Miami would become the new hub of an island nation that Caribbean that would subsume Cuba, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic with an ethnic mix of blacks and non-Mexican Hispanics, and so forth.
The possibility that violent ethnic cleansing will occur is also very real, as is the idea that the new nation-states, now locked in a tug-of-war for previously common resources, will become belligerent towards other regions. Take a look at the conflicts that sprang up in the 1990s as the Warsaw Pact disintegrated. Americans are not immune to this.
Fine. Enjoy your rotting fish.
An old idea but a good one. I first read about it in Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War Two”. He thinks that the Blacks will take the Deep South with Atlanta as a Capital. But can they keep it? Though Blacks have been moving back for decades the Mexicans are now coming too – following the Blacks whom they have ethnically cleansed from Southern California. There’s alread a low level war, one which the Blacks are losing. I’d see a chance for a White Appalachian State perhaps – with the old South as an inspiration. Over time they would probably make gains against the Blacks. But the Mexicans? Sad to say, the Mexican People are now more vigorous and organized than any in North America. Maybe if we stopped buying their drugs we’d have a chance….
New Jerusalem will stretch from Wasington DC up to Maine. It will seem to be Old New England, but actually be run by the you know whos. The fools on this site think race is nothing; in geopolitics it far closer to being everything.
Another book you might like is “The Nine Nations of North America”. Heard it’s good but I’ve never gottena around to it.
So you don’t think the Founders were afraid of the English Banking Conspiracy or the French Illuminati? You are very ignorant. You may know alot about History as it is written by the Court Historians but not the inner causes.
For example, do you know about the Morgenthau Plan to genocide the German People after WW2? No aid was to be given, rather the Germans were going to be forced to become “an Agricultural People”. One Senator when after the son of a bitch on the Senate Floor and called it genocide. FDR and Bernard Baruch dropped it and told Henry, “we’ve got to give them something”. Morgenthau was bitter: he knew that FDR and Baruch has used him to float the idea and then left him hanging when it popped.
I can feel sorry for others – once mine are taken care of. Communists do the opposite, care about everyone else first. Now which is more natural? Go on, you can do it. But will you be too proud to admit you were wrong?
Vlad, I for one aspire to the dignity of being classed a fool by the likes of you. For the record, though, race is not nothing; clearly racial divisions (NB: *not* the same as putative racial differences) are a serious issue — one that needs to be overcome, not embraced or exploited. That is all.
Your philosophy, rigorously applied, was what created such charmingly civilized societies as tribal Pakistan, present-day Iraq, and northern Ireland during the Troubles. Not self before others, not others before self; putting no one first, but creating and sustaining institutions that put all on an equal footing, and enable all to flourish; that’s my philosophy.
Dixville Notch, New Hampshire Election Results
3 … Barack Hussein Obama
2 … Mitt Romney
2 … Jon Huntsman
1 … Newt Gingrich
1 … Ron Paul
Interesting that the two most liberal Republican candidates got the highest vote counts, after Obama, who is also liberal. Center-left votes won.
To add to my point: I don’t care if sectarian chauvinism is more ‘natural’ than other points of view. The idea that what comes naturally is always for the best (aka the naturalistic fallacy) is pernicious, romantic nonsense. Crimes like murder and rape are routinely motivated by such natural drives as revenge, lust and suspicion/hatred of the unfamiliar. You can take what you consider natural and stuff it up the hole in your culture.
“there are voices being heard”….but leadership still not evident. I think a lot of misguided people are hearing voices in their heads these days!
“Dee, what do you think would happen should the Iranians shoot first ? My bet is that we would teach them and the world a serious lession in Nuclear diplomacy. As one of those Trident BMS’s out there in the Indian Ocean unleashes a few MIRV’d Tridents.”
I seriously do not think that the Iranians, no matter how they are portrayed in the MSM, would deliberately fire or attack first. They are not stupid, and the Iranians I have met state the same.
However, they are being goaded, pushed into a corner, teased, whatever you want to call it into responding to some perceived threat, whereupon the US & nato will use such as as an excuse to attack them. The US is pushing it as close to the edge as they can, just hoping some nervous Iranian Revolutionary Guard shoots at them so they can ‘retaliate’, and there is no doubt that if say an Iranian shoots at a US plane that just happens to stray over thier airspace, it will be blown out of proportion into an attack by them first, even tho the US is ‘fishing’ for an excuse to attack first.
Sadly, I feel that even if the Iranians show such remarkable restraint as they have up to now, the US may just manufacture some “Tonkin Gulf” incident to start a war. But even the Joint Chiefs have stated that things could get out of hand very fast, and that Iran should not be underestimated.
They have thousands of missiles now that can do serious harm to the oil infrastructure in the Gulf, damage that will take YEARS to repair.
How much oil does the US have in the so-called Strategic reserve? Oh, just a few months at the most, WITH tight rationing.
So, I don’t think that Iran will ever attack the US or Israel first, no matter how much the US or isreal lies about it. But I do feel that they are being pushed into a corner where they might feel they have to launch first or lose.
But this is all insanity anyway. Which is why I got out of the US. Just couldn’t take the insanity anymore.
You have alot of cheek to say that after decades of persecuting Whites in the name of equality. And the endless down playing of Black murder and rape. And then, and then extending these special privledges which were intended (publicly!) only for Blacks because of slavery, to Hispanics and all kinds of colored immigrants. Funny kind of equality Mother Hubbard. But you don’t care – they’re just Whites. You’re special, a good one, all that payback is for OTHER Whites.
Our demoliton and Black enhancement is the rocket fuel which will propel you and your’s to the Heaven of Virtue that you aspire too. In the end, it’s all about You. Even the Blacks are just there as compassion objects. You really don’t expect much from them, do you? You don’t believe in Equality: you are superior that’s why you can help them. It’s a sick blend of Christianity and Social Gospel.
So become the hero of your own life and google up Black Rape and Murder statistics, you horse’s ass.
¡Viva Walter Rauschenbusch!
Be good Ape Man or you will get unplugged. I am White as the wind driven slow. And all my Ancestors too, back to the begining. But as a machine man/ape/eight/egg you don’t care about genetics. You just want to be downloaded asap. I want to become more human – you less. You would use machines to enhance your ape animal functions. Acutally you might have a point: fembot surrogates might serve a valuable funtion until the Patriarchy comes back.
Say, Vlad, I notice you must be on your lunch break. Do you eat in the food court, or does mall management make you eat in some dingy lunch room behind the restrooms?
I’m saying this because I think I’m pretty close to the mark in my earlier description of you.
Now tho, just where do you live? trailer park or seedy residential hotel?
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You want me so bad. As the songs says, some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused. You like to abuse, but in the flesh the polarity might shift.
I’m not a Monster, I just put my race first as the Founding Fathers did. Ask your Tico friends whether they’d be happy if their daughter or sister hooked up with a Black. Or do you already know the answer to that one?
This, and your entire post, are a fine example of the mental mutilation of racism, that leads you to class ‘black murder and rape’ as a phenomenon distinct from ‘murder and rape’, full stop. There’s no helping someone who insists on seeing the world through race-coloured glasses, but responsible people still have to uphold basic standards.
Gitmo prisoners have begun peaceful protests against being imprisoned 10 years by USA barbarians who have denied the prisoners due process of law. 89 of the prisoners were cleared for release by the Bush administration, but have not been released due to the American barbarians’ fears.
Bush’s military commissions have conducted six trials in ten years. Civilian courts have prosecuted hundreds of terrorists in the last ten years. The do-nothing military is a waste of money.
The USA military maintains Gitmo, which inspires terrorists around the world, and thereby makes the USA less safe. Maybe that is what they want. Vicious cycle.
We are still at the begining of understanding these things. There are cycles within cycles. Even during major Ice Ages there are warming spells which last centuries or thousands of years – the ice recedes hundreds of miles and then it’s over and it all comes back. Someday we’ll know more about these little cycles, maybe even predict some of them. And some may always catch us by surprise like volcanic eruptions do. Besides the Sun, volcanoes are also weather makers. If the super volcano underneath Yellowstone goes, it’s game over for this whole Age.
We’re so delicately balanced now that even a little cooling like the 70’s might cause famine over much of the world.
” Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it.”
Are you channeling Archie Bunker just for fun, WSP? Because every once in a while you come up with some pretty bizarre comments despite your obvious intelligence.
BTW, I don’t think engaging Iran will be a cakewalk. And according to Debka.Com (is this site believable?) a conflict with Iran is immenient. If a champion gets into the ring enough times someone is bound to land a lucky punch, as Mike Tyson will testify. And delibertely engaging/provoking Iran is playing with fire, IMO.
Oh so you know! But we’re not supposed to or at least not react. Meanwhile your lily White Ass is well out of danger. This was the Media response to the Black Flash Mobs in Phillie: how dare anyone point out that it’s Blacks! What does it matter?! Well it matter if you’re White and they’re targeting you and you want to stay alive. Idiot.
Finally the Black Mayor told the Truth on Sunday in Church saying that the Black Youffs had disgraced their race. You White Liberal Turds should feel ashamed of your pandering. You’re not helping anyone, only hurting. If they don’t stop then they will be gunned down at some point. Is that what you want? No? Then speak up – if you really care about them and not just your own virtue in hating poor or conservative Whites.
GreyGhost,
I hadn’t seen the game, actually, but will look it up. Most of the divisions that I see are based actually upon linguistic groupings, settlement history and current demographic trends. A good guide to this is American Nations by Colin Woodward.
Taking this back to Jim’s books, I’m not as inclined to think that the oil collapse will happen as quickly as he posits (though it will happen) but I also think that there’s a geopolitical aspect there that needs to be taken into account. Certain regions will reach self-sufficiency much more quickly than others. The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control.
The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC.
More likely the Long Emergency will be systemic degradation and localized consolidation, but I don’t see it degrading to the purely township level for some time (decades, maybe even centuries). The big cities will become more critical, states will be less so. The suburban rings and corridors will become the next slums, and in many cases will go fallow as abandoned houses disintegrate due to weather and “urban reclamation”. Regional identity will matter more than city identity will, though there will be rivalries between cities. Once the US Dollar collapses (which it’s on its way to doing) so too will Federal hegemony, and with it the union.
Whatever it is, it is better than the lies that we’ve been served.
GreyGhost,
I hadn’t seen the game, actually, but will look it up. Most of the divisions that I see are based actually upon linguistic groupings, settlement history and current demographic trends. A good guide to this is American Nations by Colin Woodward.
Taking this back to Jim’s books, I’m not as inclined to think that the oil collapse will happen as quickly as he posits (though it will happen) but I also think that there’s a geopolitical aspect there that needs to be taken into account. Certain regions will reach self-sufficiency much more quickly than others. The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control.
The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC.
More likely the Long Emergency will be systemic degradation and localized consolidation, but I don’t see it degrading to the purely township level for some time (decades, maybe even centuries). The big cities will become more critical, states will be less so. The suburban rings and corridors will become the next slums, and in many cases will go fallow as abandoned houses disintegrate due to weather and “urban reclamation”. Regional identity will matter more than city identity will, though there will be rivalries between cities. Once the US Dollar collapses (which it’s on its way to doing) so too will Federal hegemony, and with it the union.
About the Persians…
A few of my Iranian friends here in LA examined a few of asoka’s posts. They deemed said persona a “schizophrenic cunt”.
AHMIR: “If Iran were such a beautiful place filled with such beautiful people we would have stayed.”
Not gonna be responding to the usual onslaught, so lemme have it. Gotta go play tennis. Ta-ta.
someone is bound to land a lucky punch
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or an undercut, say an unexpected Iranian ICBM originating from somewhere in South America.
Those Iranians who left are among the beautiful Iranian people who were victims of the fundamentalist takeover of Iran. They cannot deny their five millenia cultural heritage because of this 20th century blip.
Aliens want our gold. How true! And their headquarter is in the Vatican.
What makes you think Vlad has a job?
Kurt said: “The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports”
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Kurt, Cascadia is a high-risk disaster zone. Cascadia gets a massive earthquake every 300 to 500 years around here, and it is due. They’re super bad. When it comes, it’s a monster. A full-rip nine.
And when it hits, it’s going to shake for a long time. Three to five minutes or more. Kurt, you’re going to feel lucky to survive.
Then guess what. You rode out the quake? Congratulations. Now you have 15 minutes to get above 50 feet of elevation. Bye-bye ports.
Fifteen minutes. You’re elderly and not very mobile? Sorry. Your condition does not change the geologic facts. It’s called a tsunami. The water’s coming. It can’t be stopped. Don’t ask Jesus to save you. Be your own Jesus.
Wagelaborer,
It’s about money and oil? It would be great if it were that simple. But it isn’t. At least I don’t think so.
Have you ever seen a barroom brawl or a schoolyard fight? What are they about? Muscle flexing, status, respect, approval of one’s peers.
Look at the ludicrous US invasion of Kuwait. Was it about money and oil? What earthly difference would it have made if Saddam controlled Kuwait? He would have sold the oil just like the beards that were in control before.
So what was the invasion of Kuwait really about? Nothing much IMO. It was about Bush the Elder showing off the size of his johnson.
Was the invasion of Iraq about money and oil? I don’t think so. If it had been about mere money and oil IMO it would have been much more profitable to be friends with Saddam and let him stay in control and do business with him. Sell him arms, buy his oil, get oilfield contracts from him, send him plane loads of hookers and liquor.
So what was it about? Dubya had to kick somebody’s ass after 9/11. Saddam had been thumbing his nose and going nya, nya. So Saddam and some of his cronies ended up at the end of a rope. Really stupid but there it is.
So what do you figure this little dance with Iran is about? This has been going on for 2,500 years. The Greeks fought them, the Romans fought them, the Byzantines fought them and all these centuries later we’re still fighting them and it wasn’t just the poor innocent Persians getting picked on. They did their share of aggression.
So what is all this about? Proving whose is bigger that’s all. The beards running Iran or Hillary’s and Obama’s.
IMO if this was about money and oil there would be peace and the Iranians and Americans the oil companies and everyone involved would be getting rich and lining their offshore bank accounts.
Oh, yes, the climate change “myth.” It must be a huge coincidence that snow cover this winter is 16% when the average is 65%. I must have imagined all those disappearing glaciers and the melting perma-frost. Or the steadily rising average global temperatures. And let’s not listen to 99 out of 100 scientists who agree on this issue. Let’s look to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and (preferably) the oil and gas industry sock puppets.
And their proof to the contrary, that it is all some doctored story? A few emails.
Real geniuses, these people. No wonder we’re doomed.
“We are still at the begining of understanding these things.”
No, Vlad, there are people who spend all or most of their working hours examining man’s impact on the climate of the earth, and they have arrived at a nearly unanimous consensus that we are changing the climate. The CO2 and other molecules that we add to the atmosphere are contributing to the greenhouse effect, thereby increasing the average temperature here on planet Earth. Cyclical climate cycles are taken into account when these measurements are determined. It isn’t that hard to understand, for people with functioning brains. The climate change deniers are, at this point, given the mountains of evidence demolishing their position, a laughable bunch of rubes, liars, and dupes. How appropriate that you’ve tagged along for that silly little ride. Care to tell us any more about climate change isn’t part of Yaweh’s master plan? *snigger*
Ya, Buck Stud, I am being a little over the top jingo and provocative here, I’ll admit. (about Iran). Truthfully I doubt if anything serious will happen there. All sides have too much to loose.
Just the kind of response Asoka is trying provoke with his BS about Persian culture. He knows what buttons to push.
–WSP7
It’s about money and oil? It would be great if it were that simple. But it isn’t. At least I don’t think so.
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It’s about control. It’s about intimidation of others. It’s about war profiteering. It’s about many others things, including oil and US dollar hegemony. It’s about your denial of all these things, and the fascist empire that you serve and play a pathetic propaganda tool for to ease your conscience.
Mine? Sorry, Vlad, but I’m pretty sure no one wants to belong to a club that would let you into it.
“IMO if this was about money and oil there would be peace”
IMO, that’s a pretty silly take on international politics.
I would suspect that most African Americans will be willing to fight to the death before acceding to living in an Apartheid state, and given current demographic trends, I suspect that in terms of numbers they would probably give White southerners a run for their money. They may very well split the South in half and control the former confederacy from Alabama west – Western Kentucky and Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, eastern Louisianna all have larger African American populations than they do Caucasians. Appalachia, on the other hand, has long been white – it was settled initially by Highland Scots who brought a fierce independence of spirit and a tendency to fight anything and everything around them just for the challenge of the fight, and even today I don’t see that changing. The Whites in the South are more likely to cluster around the Eastern part of Dixie – Atlanta, Savannah, South Carolina, Eastern Tennessee and Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia.
That’s one of the reasons why it’s so hard to place Texas – and why I don’t see it as really being a part of Dixie though it may be a sympathetic ally. The Panhandle region of Texas falls in Apalachia, the Eastern edge is part of the Mississippi delta region, the south has definite roots in El Norte, while West Texas is definitely part of the mountain states. Yet its identity as Texas is very strong (this differs from California, where SoCal differs considerably from Southern Cascadia (San Francisco and points north) and both vary from inland California, which is more like a mountain state.
With regarding to El Norte, it’s important to realize that these are not Mexicans. The dominant culture is Mestizo – Spaniards that intermarried with the native American Natives in the dying days of the Spanish Empire. The Northern states of Mexico have long been a challenge to Mexico City (which is far to the south) in great part because of this Mestizo presence. Their identity is more American (they listen to American television and often speak English far better than the Mexicans of the South, and have been growing in terms of political clout and power for several decades now) , but they also increasingly see themselves as distinct from both Mexico and the United States, though obviously beholden to their respective governments. As those governments weaken (by becoming more fascist), calls for autonomy will grow stronger.
I’m a little more skeptical that climatologists really have a firm grasp of how climate works.
Just recently some scientists have said that maybe our impact on the earth’s climate via CO2 emissions may be staving off an on-coming ice age. So my question is why has such an obvious issue not been examined until now. Or at least why haven’t we heard more discussion about it?
It’s not as if nobody knows that we’ve been through massive swings in climate over the last two million years ie a succession of glacial advances and recessions. And the state of knowledge on the issue seems to be that these repeated glaciations are related to orbital cycles.
So why haven’t we hardly heard a peep on how far we are from the next glacial advance given the apparent predictablility of these things? Or at the very least how far we WOULD have been had our activities not intervened or subverted the process?
I’m not a scientist and I’m not plugged into that community but the apparent silence on this given all the heat and fury on climate change is a mystery to me.
So what do YOU think is worse, global warming or an ice age? As I said in a previous post personally I have no earthly idea. I wish that there was a climate scientist out there that could give some guidance on the issue.
Why so? Human nature is a complex thing.
Mere “money and oil” in my opinion doesn’t cut it as an explanation to account for what’s happening out there. Too simplistic. There’s other factors at work ie powerful and primal and primitive and not so rational.
Get help.
There’s nothing “mere” about oil (or money for that matter). What planet do you live on?
To answer your question: I live on Earth.
Now let me ask you the same question: what planet do YOU live on?
Another question: have you not observed human behavior?
Another question: can you read? If you need help let me know.
Asoka,
I lived for a while in the mud flow regions northeast of Mt. Ranier in Olympia, WA and was literally at the epicenter of a 7.9 magnitude quake. Ironically, my daughter had an earthquake drill earlier that morning. We’re also due for a Pacific Tsunami. So?
You plan accordingly, expect that you’ll take some damage, shake your head at the damn fools that build on the side of an active volcano and move on. In many respects, places like Vancouver, Seattle and San Francisco are better prepared than the rest of the country precisely because they know the dangers of both weather and natural disasters – they live with them every day.
The flipside of that is that a geologically and weather active region has all kinds of potential for non-petroleum based power. Hydroelectric, geothermal, wind, wave action, methane vents, not to mention a healthy agrarian system (a number of cooperatives have started up in the PNW collecting methane waste from cattle and using that to generate power).
It’s a big part of the reason that the Green economy is more vibrant there than elsewhere – the region can support more alternative energy forms than most other places not just in the US but in the world. Maryland (where I’m currently living and can’t wait to move from) is an example of the opposite.
The weather has greater extremes most of the time, but there are fewer places to take advantage of wind farms, geothermal differentials are minimal, there are few waterways that have the kinetic energy necessary to make hydroelectric feasible, and the traffic patterns and layout of cities make car travel a prerequisite through much of the state (in its defense, Maryland has a better commuter train system, but the Puget Sound is catching up there as well).
Frankly, I don’t give a crap what you think makes the world go around. Believe what you want.
Actually there was a substantial geopolitical motivation for the U.S. to punish Saddam for invading Kuwait. The linchpin of the American empire is control over the major sources of petroleum in the Middle East. Please note: not access, but control. This course was set in the aftermath of WWII and has been standard ever since.
Were the U.S. not the imperial hegemon, it could still purchase Middle Eastern oil on the open market like everyone else, but the one crucial thing is to demonstrate to the whole world that it is Washington’s hand that controls the spigot and no one else. Hence, Iran immediately becomes an enemy when it kicks out the Shah and stops taking orders; hence, Saddam receives support from Washington as long as he is fighting Iran, only to take his lumps in turn when he overreaches in Kuwait. Dubya’s attempt to take direct control of Iraq and make it a launching pad to continue into Iran and perhaps Syria glaringly failed, and showed that the U.S. is similarly overreaching. It remains to be seen whether Washington will successfully recover and preside over what remains of the petroleum era, or if the prize (largely spent by now in any case) will slip from their grasp entirely.
She doesn’t care about real history unless it trashes the United States or at least the Western Culture.
What do you think about the rumours that Obama is gay and that Michelle is just his “beard”?
The native Hawaians wont let the State develop the incredible geothermal potential of Hawaii. The Godess Pele wouldn’t like it. Let’s give them one of the islands and turn the rest of it into Paradise? Either that or cede the whole place to the Japanese who will at least protect the lives and property of their White Citizens against the Polynesian terror.
Okay, you’re skeptical. Fine. Please don’t substitute criticism and doubt for lack of knowledge altogether.
The idea of Global Warming has predictive power. The melting of glaciers and permafrost, more frequent and harsher droughts, milder winters, hotter and drier summers, the warming of the oceans, and more numerous and destructive hurricanes, among other evident realities, are all predicted by this theory. That’s why it is legitimate and worth taking seriously, not because some climate scientist pulled it out of a hat out of boredom.
Your concern with a new Ice Age is purely peripheral. If recent models are accurate, the effects of Climate Change could become severe and catastrophic within 100 to 150 years (probably sooner actually), which on the scale of Ice Ages every 40,000 or so years, is far more worrisome and immediate.
And that’s not to say that Climate Change is some kind of moral position. It is an observed effect. I, for one, believe that we have a snowball’s chance in hell of actually reversing it, given that countries like China and India are rapidly industrializing, with all the new coal-fired power plants that this entails.
KG said, “The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control.”
The PNW looks one way on a map, but consider this in your analysis. A metro region of 2 million people; multiple (federal) military bases and federal military contractors, nuclear missile bases, active duty and dependent populations well over 250,000. In what, way, shape or form do you imagine federal control being lost in this region? The feds employ, directly or indirectly, a significant percentage of the population.
“See Cuba surviving a 50 year hostile USA blockade as an example. Of course, most of the world will not have a hostile blockade in place, so survival should be easier.”
Its easy to say this about the new world. In many places cultivation only really started within the last 100 years. The question is will greeks improve their soils while stomping all over it, tilling it with modern implements? Probably not. Will they preserve water tables by putting holes in the ground and venting them to the surface? Probably not. Will their surplus, shipped miles away by fossil fuels, going to nourish and support hordes of anti-environmental selfish consuming hordes improve the overall environment? Probably not.
When was the last time you visited the Mediterranean? They will deny it because they are habituated to it, but the legacy of millenia of agriculture is writ large on the landscape. Especially since the 1950s. Packed earth and dust. Too many fucking people. Not enough fish in the sea. A region where biodiversity has been under constant assault for thousands of years. The productive tree-fruit farms are barren monocrops.
So, while some rejoice for the avoidance of an ice age, this region will see the expansion of the Saharan desert. I’m being a hard cunt about Greece and the old world. In attempting to pay the rent by intense cultivation, they will destroy capacity. Inevitably.
All the permaculturists believe that they can improve upon nature. The fact is subsistence is expensive. Practically no one starts on an ideal landscape. Often the landscape doesn’t have the guaranteed minimum capacity for subsistence. But stubbornness and the best intentions inform the optimism of amateurs. They’ll ignore the wastes and damage they create, and count their success in banana yields two years out. There is no evidence anywhere on Earth of an improvement in biodiversity or ecosystem stability by any form of agriculture, unless you’re starting at bottom. And when it feeds the desires of the massive end-consumer in service of a market economy, the farmer is nothing but a middleman for EarthRape ™. EarthRape, on a stick, in a pickled jar, by the pound or kilogram. Whats your flavor?
And what if the end-consumer finds Greek olives processed by amateurs to be inferior to Professional Turkish growers? Well, their surplus will be sold at a loss and their asses will be kicked off their land. In short order the worthless dirt-patch will be converted to summer-time villa, paved over with some stucco monstrosity so that the paragons of our economy, the upper classes, can have someplace to watch the sunset in their golden years because no one can afford to retire in the fat, crowded urban centers.
You always know which side your bread is buttered on. As you said before, if war threatened you would abscond to Canada or someplace safe. But you can’t judge other men by your own cowardly standards. Bin Ladin gave up a life of luxury to live in a cave – all so he could fight for his beliefs. Countless Americans do the same – not everybody in the Army is a loser or just couldn’t find work.
Humanity is often better than you though I agree that much of the ordinary idealism makes for trouble. Obviously I support neither Bin Ladin nor the typical American Patriot/Crusaders. Real Patriots support a sane foreign policy like that of Ron Paul’s.
“You always know which side your bread is buttered on.”
I’m not sure I know what this is supposed to mean. I wasn’t aware that I had any figurative bread or that it was buttered one way or the other.
“As you said before, if war threatened you would abscond to Canada or someplace safe.”
Yes, that’s called self-preservation. I’m not taking a bullet for the team, sorry.
“But you can’t judge other men by your own cowardly standards.”
Sure I can judge all I want. But who said that I have any standards at all, anyways?
“Bin Ladin gave up a life of luxury to live in a cave – all so he could fight for his beliefs.”
During the Afghan War against the Soviets, perhaps, but post-9/11 he was put up by the Pakistani military.
“Countless Americans do the same – not everybody in the Army is a loser or just couldn’t find work.”
So what? So someone decides to join the army because they’ve got a stiffy for Uncle Sam. I’m supposed to respect that why? Neither the war in Iraq or Afghanistan was honorable (by military standards), featuring a lot of killing of innocent civilians like those who drove too close to the Hummers or got in the way of a drone strike, and both were arguably optional. Both were/are huge boondoggles and are mostly run for the benefit of insider defense contractors. Why am I supposed to respect the choices of someone who fights for causes that I don’t believe in? The soldiers are rubes and dupes, and most say as much when they become disillusioned after a few tours of duty.
“Humanity is often better than you though I agree that much of the ordinary idealism makes for trouble.”
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. How is humanity better than me? That really makes no sense. What’s your benchmark?
“Obviously I support neither Bin Ladin nor the typical American Patriot/Crusaders.”
Yes, we know you’re off in your own little world, Vlad, party of one. 😉
“Real Patriots support a sane foreign policy like that of Ron Paul’s.”
Glad to see you’ve hopped on the bandwagon to support the Alternative Republican Presidential Candidate of the Month. I assume you’re also a big fan of his racist newsletter that he’s now disowned.
Good to see that at least one person is paying attention.
So you don’t think the Founders were afraid of the English Banking Conspiracy or the French Illuminati? You are very ignorant.
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Well, by all means school us all Vald. You’re always trying to impress up with your “knowledge”, so impress us with a source for it for once. I can’t wait, you’re going to prove just one of your accusations….wouldn’t that raise your credibility and standing here?
It’s common knowledge according to you, so it shouldn’t be hard to find a legitimate source to post here so that we won’t all have to be so misinformed….right?
Remember now, the founding fathers were afraid of the Rothchilds, that’s the issue…OK?
Excellent writing. Especially “Too many fucking people,” and “hordes of anti-environmental selfish consuming hordes.” Malthus may have been wrong once but it does not mean he would be wrong now. Thanks for the excellent perspective.
Asking Vlad to provide a credible source?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good one, dale.
“Malthus may have been wrong once but it does not mean he would be wrong now.”
Why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person? 😉
dale, I think the opposite was the case.
Gotta love the Jews. They have done so much good in the world. Wonderful people! I love Jews!
SOURCE: The Rothschilds: the financial rulers of nations by John Reeves (London, 1887)
Why should I? You already said you wouldn’t accept anything unless it was from a source you believed – orthodox, court historians. You don’t believe in Conspiracies – even though the Founding Fathers were Conspirators, as were the French and Russian Revolutionaries. As are people like Obama and Hilary – both Alinsky Disciples. By defining reality so narrowly, you commit to a superficial understanding of how things work.
Let’s not try to run before you can walk. Before I try and track down obscure sources, do you believe that there is a plot to dissolve the border between Mexico and the United States? Or that there was a plot to turn Europe in Eurabia? Or do you believe that “it just happened” – the classic cop out of the lazy and uninformed?
If there are no standards, we’re all just having a party of one. Heroes of the Revolutionary War and Indian Fighters (Washington was both) created this country for themselves and their posterity. And this is how you repay them – by a supercillious attitude. Why do you value your scrawny neck so highly? Even Mahatma Gandhi valued courage and called his Non Violence Movement a Path for Warriors. Most Hindus were too afraid to do it so he went to the Sikhs at one point – one of the warrior peoples of the subcontinent.
What is your life if you can’t dedicate it to something higher? Just that of an intelligent animal. As Christ said, “Unless a seed falls and dies it remains alone. But if it falls and dies it brings forth great fruit”.
Look, start watching Fight Club over and over until you change. It is easily the greatest movie of the last fourty years and has great power to open the hearts of lost young men.
And someday your comrades will say of you, His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert….
“The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC.”
You are forgetting that So Cal now gets most of its water from Nor Cal & the Colorado river system. Any major divide of Cal and So Cal won’t be getting any water from up Norte. Since it is a desert, and can’t support the current level of population with out Nor Cal water, So Cals pop will probably drop to just a few hundred thousand tops. San Diego will be a ghost town, as well as most of eastern So Cal.
Without Nor Cal water being siphoned off to the South, the Delta and bay will recover some of the old ecosystem, and perhaps the salmon population may also recover, as well as the stripped bass.
When I was young, you could catch 4 foot king salmon in the Sac river, and huge striped bass.
I don’t think there is a viable run of salmon anymore. Sad.
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Say Vlad, are you off work now, or just on a break between janitor & security guard jobs?
Isn’t it Happy Hour someplace cheap? Why don’t you go get hammered before your next shift starts.
I won’t tell your boss, really, I promise 🙂
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Actually, when you have a population density of 5 to 10 people per sq.km., as is the case in much of the desert southwest, with 6 to 14 inches of rain a year, with little or no industry, the aquifers will last for decades, if not centuries.
This will vary from state to state depending on pop. density, precipitation rates, and level of industry, but the southwest is not monolithic.
Now there is the voice of reason! And such clear an cognizant arguments too! Ah, if only Vlac could be so clear and precise. But alas, he has his head up in a very dark and scary (& smelly) place, and I doubt he will every see the clear light of day.
🙂
Concerning the breakup of the US
Not happening, folks, been there and done that.
I got in a whizzing contest on the local paper’s discussion thread, back in the heyday of the early TEA Party. There was lots of secession talk in Texas, and it spilled over into my little Georgia mountain town.
Other posters were busting on me for saying that secession didn’t work out that well for the South in 1864, and was not going to work any better in 2008. And I said that I couldn’t believe native Southerners would talk the way these guys were talking.
Sure enough, I went to a TEA party meeting out of curiosity, staying in the background. The guys who wanted to secede from the Union so badly – were loud mouth Yankee retirees, come South to tell us “how much better they did things up North.”
I’m not saying things won’t get bad.
I’m not saying regional power won’t increase.
Or that National power won’t decline.
And I’m certainly NOT saying that humanity and the world would not have been better off through all of history – with a more divided “United” States.
I AM saying that there are practical reasons that secession will never happen again – related to internal supply lines, internal military and paramilitary forces, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and the need for a UNITED front to attempt to project US power – even to the waning and dying days of our hegemony.
Atlanta*
Atlanta developed the slogan back in the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement – “The City too Busy to Hate.” And, honestly, things aren’t quite as bad in Atlanta, with respect to black/white relations, as they are in a lot of other large cities. Same can be said of Charlotte, NC.
(One reason I argue against Vlad so violently sometimes – native Southerners – black and white – know how bad things COULD be, and we’re not going to let that happen if we can help it.)
They’ve got a new black mayor, Kasim Reed – who BARELY beat a little white chick, Mary Norwood. The vote, naturally, broke out somewhat on racial lines – but things could be a whole lot worse.
My concern about Atlanta, though, is more that no one who lives or works there actually DOES anything. (hear THAT, 8M??) They’ve got the massive income from the Atlanta Airport, lots of government spending – but the tax base is nearly 100% finance, insurance, real estate. (FIRE) The real productive industry left in the 70’s.
I’m not sure why anyone, black or white, would be moving INTO Atlanta, post-collapse.
Of course, that goes for most all of the United States – – – speaking of which –
why are immigration rates so high? 😉
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*Atlanta. I knew I was in another State, practically another country – when a cute little customer care girl at a Texas rest stop asked my wife and me, “Where are y’all from?”
“Atlanta,” I replied.
“No kidding,” she says to me. “Atlanta, TEXAS?”
Good luck with that! The USA military runs on petroleum and JHK has informed us that peak oil means the USA military will one day be grounded.
And I’m not just talking about fighting vehicles like the Abrams Main Battle Tanks, or the Bradley Fighting Vehicles or the Armored Personnel Carriers (Strykers, LAV 25s, M113 Armored Personnel Carriers and Amphibious Assault Vehicles)
Without petroleum the USA military will have stranded High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (also known as HUMVEEs), Desert Patrol Vehicles, Light Strike Vehicles, M1117 Armored Security Vehicles, Interim Fast Attack Vehicles, etc.
Same goes for Mine Protected Vehicles like RG-31s, RG-33s 1, Buffaloes, Cougars, International MaxxPros, BAE Caimans, Oshkoshes, etc.
All will be grounded and rusting from disuse.
For that matter the combat engineering vehicles will also be out of service, like the Armored Combat Earthmovers, Armored Vehicle Launched Bridges, Recovery Vehicles, Wolverines, Graders, Wheel tractor-scrapers, Backhoes, Caterpillars (both D7s and D9s), Wreckers, etc.
All a monument to the waste project that is the USA military.
Same goes for the self-propelled artillery and anti-air vehicles like the Stryker Mobile Gun Systems, Full-Track Paladins (with 155 mm Howitzer Motor Carriages), Dragon Fires (with Self-Propelled Mortars), Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, High Mobility Artillery rocket systems, Improved Tow Vehicles, Avengers, Patriots, etc.
All dead without fuel, rusting from disuse.
Logistics and resupply will be impossible without LARC-Vs, M35 2½ ton cargo trucks, M939 Trucks, M970s, Medium Tactical Vehicles, Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Trucks, Logistics Vehicle Systems, JERRVs, Palletized Load Systems, Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles, R-11 Refuelers, and Gun Trucks, not to mention the unmanned combat vehicles like the Gladiator Tactical Unmanned Ground Vehicle, the Foster-Miller TALON, the Dragon Runner, the Multifunctional Utility/Logistics and Equipment (MULE) and Armed Robotic Vehicles.
Now we know what our tax dollars have been wasted on as we head into the TLE.
Whether the timeline is long or short, we cannot doubt JHK that the military is coming to an abrupt end without petroleum to run it on.
Oh, jets and bombers and a myriad of military aircraft also use fuel like hogs eat slop. The aircraft, all of it, will be grounded.
By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was song and celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Riding shotgun in the sky
And they were turning into butterflies
Above our nation
We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devil’s bargain
And we’ve got to get ourselves
back to the garden
— Joni Mitchell
Sorry I missed your post last week. I don’t always read everything. This last post was merely for comedic purposes prompted by the sheer volume of your writing on the blog here. If there were a convention of Clusterfuckians some day in Saratoga Springs hosted by JHK I’m sure that I would enjoy your company more than most. If people don’t approve of your ideas then they should refrain from comment because all they’re doing by critizing you is enhancing your notoriety. If you read between the lines of my post you will notice that there is no actual criticism of you, so I’m sorry if you feel annoyed. People don’t bother making fun of me because I hardly ever post and then when I offend someone I always apologize, as after all, since I haven’t actually met anyone from the blog I can hardly work up the bile to dislike anyone. So in a very real sense I’m making fun of all the people who like to criticize you. And yes, Stanton Friedman is correct: the chief business of the human race is tribal warfare.
You’re a doofus.
So you are against the poor too – not just Whites.
metuselah said:
Metuselah, let me first say I really appreciate you making this comment. Your primitive tribalism will eventually fade away. It is the nature of tribes to eventually disappear.
When you die, you must leave the tribe behind, because the tribe is artificial.
You can relabel, use metaphors, or use words like “diaspora” but the tribe will no longer exist for you in any real sense. The tribal experience is temporary.
Emptiness, on the other hand, is permanent.
Emptiness is my true nature, the nature “I” had before my parents met. I am going back to emptiness upon my death, which is very near now. Soon I shall be joining Qshtik.
Meditation is the practice of letting go, relaxing, and embracing that emptiness … so as to be able to go gracefully into death when that opportunity arises.
Everything comes out of emptiness and everything goes back to it. Once I knew what emptiness is I loved it. It is ecstatic. Buddha called it shunyata. Emptiness is the source of everything.
My life has been a journey of the Alone to the Alone, a return to the Source which is Emptiness. I guess I value emptiness as much as you value your primitive tribalism. To each his own.
Thank you, metuselah, for your comment.
A happy doofus.
Alright then. I’m sorry you missed my last post – it was an attempt to reconcile misanthropy and White Nationalism.
You are right that the Jews are a very smart people. And that leads to power. And power is morally neutral. Thus we have every right to look at the Jews and criticize. They wont do it themselves, believe me.
When Mel Gibson’s manuscript for “The Passion” was stolen, they started making demands on changes they wanted. He demanded the return of the manuscript via his lawyer, and theatened legal action. The debate in the Jewish Community was fierce. They knew they had egg on their face. Threre was alot of recrimination about poor tactics, misjudging his character, etc. No one to my knowledge debated the morality of the theft, only the wisdom of it nor the morality of trying to suppress artistic freedom. All the debate was tactical. They are essentially on the same page at least about changing America in a certain direction.
Are all men who want a flat top assholes? Is there not one honest flat top seeker? I don’t want one, but I have trouble just getting a regular haircut – they ask what I want and then don’t do it. It must be hard taking orders all day – many barbers must rebel in little ways. It’s hard to serve people. I have found it so.
No you will become terrified of the White Light and even of many of the lesser lights. You will attracted to mating couple and then to the Man if you are going to born female or to the Woman if you are going to born male or the opposite if you are going to be “gay” and that theory is correct in your case.
Whatever you do when in the bardo, don’t look down. If you start doing that it’s a sign that you are going to be born as an animal. Soon you will be looking for a burrow. If you find yourself looking down, immediately remember the Buddha and your vow.
LOL!
I’ve done the bardo trip many, many times.
No worries. No conflicts. No fighting. No fear. Both the peaceful and the wrathful deities have become my friends. For a doofus it is easy. Nothing but peace and love.
Were the U.S. not the imperial hegemon, it could still purchase Middle Eastern oil on the open market like everyone else
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No, it could not. Not if the oil was not priced in US dollar which the US can print as many of as it wants. The US has no assets it can back its US dollars with other than oil. Without the sale of oil in US dollars, US imperial hegemony is finished.
You have taken exactly the wrong lesson from Fight Club. The lost young men in that movie outsourced their souls to Tyler Durden and chose to become faceless space monkeys to do his bidding. Why? Because he acted like someone who knew what he was talking about, when in fact he was simply out of his mind. At the end, he finally comes to terms with how full of shit he’s been all along, and all his little revelation costs is enormous destruction for the world around him. Or as Christ put it, “Blessed are those who understand themselves without having to blow up a bunch of buildings and getting a friend killed.”
You’re a doofus too!
And just where does this come from?
“So you are against the poor too – not just Whites.”
And I have to disagree with this:
“If people don’t approve of your ideas then they should refrain from comment because all they’re doing by critizing you is enhancing your notoriety.”
No wonder he is called “bubbleheaded”.
If someone disagrees with someone else, like you do, then they are obligated to critize those ideas.
Its even better if they make FUN of those ideas, and the person stating them. That way, no one reading them will ever take them seriously. Responding to your racist BS with a serious critique just gives you credence, and since I think your ideas are without credence of any kind, I think they should indeed be made fun of, so that others in the future will write them off as the mutterings of a crackpot, which i think you are.
So I will continue to make fun of you and the silly ideas you espouse.
Now, get back on patrol, Mr. Security guard, or janitor, or whatever job you as an ex-con have.
Say, are you one of those dog-shit picker-uppers on the weekend in the park? I may have seen you.
Are you the one that picks it up and smells it to make sure its not a Tootsie Roll? Better take a bite just to make sure!
🙂 🙂
I know my brother by the flowers in his eyes.
You hear about the CIA and drug trafficking, but you never hear about the connection between the Vatican and the CIA. You never hear about the connection between the Vatican and the mob. You never hear about how the Vatican is able to maintain its vast empire of palaces world wide and the population of pederasts that live there. Why is that, Vlad?
They lost their boyhood and became men. Tyler was the Mother. Women give birth to boys but only Men to other Men. Guys like you and Turk just haven’t made it yet. You’re still a space monkey.
So if I was a guard or garbage picker that would make me worthless? That’s old Eve speaking! I mean you imagine yourself as a humanist right? So where do you get off condemning poor men?
Race is real D. As real as breed in dogs. Go out into the jungle. Take off your clothes. Feel into nature. Stop thinking, just feel. Everything I say is true. Our fair skin is not only beautiful, but it enables to produce Vitamin D in cold, cloudy environments.
” Now, get back on patrol, Mr. Security guard, or janitor, or whatever job you as an ex-con have”
Actually, the occupation of janitor is very honorable work, as is trash collector etc. And on more that trash pickup day I have met my trash collectors just to give them a tip. They work hard all day long, picking up trash after snotty philistines who imagine themselves too elite to roll their sleeves up or get their hands dirty. Funny, huh?
Every country in the world somehow or other manages to get the petroleum it needs, even if they’re not on the U.S. dollar. They trade their currency for U.S. dollar reserves, at whatever the going rate is, so they can then trade those dollars for oil. If oil were no longer priced in U.S. dollars, the U.S. would simply have to start playing the game like everyone else, instead of uniquely benefiting from it as they have for the past decades. Bad news for the U.S. economy, obviously, but the whole country is not suddenly precluded from participating in oil markets like turning off a light.
The Vatican is a Globalist Organization at this point. Poor Benedict is doing the best he can. He had to join Hitler Youth as a kid.
Actually, I was making the point that as an ex-con, Vlad would probably not qualify for a much higher position on the economic food chain, such as oh, nuclear power plant operator, such as Homer Simpson held, Linear Accelerator Engineer, or anything much above the pay scale that I have imagined above, even tho he pretends to have the intellect to qualify him for something much higer.
You are the ones turning it into some kind of class warfare, and as the Republicans say, thats just plain wrong.
Now, do you see how that works Vlad, et al?
People will associate him with some crazy person who picks up and smell dog poo in the park, and thus write off his racist ideas as crap.
Sorta like the MSM works too, ya know, that ol’ advertising degree sometimes comes in handy.
🙂 🙂
“Whether the timeline is long or short, we cannot doubt JHK that the military is coming to an abrupt end without petroleum to run it on.”
-asoka.-
Asoka., you seem to have this idea that the US will weaken to some point that our military will, magically, cease to function.
Not going to happen.
For all of JHK’s talents as a writer and racial theoretician, I think he may be a little weak on the end of empires and strategic military logistics.
Even if you get your wish, asoka., and the US degenerates into a miasma of 600,000,000 hopeless and desperate souls – our US DoD will continue to obtain fuel, and to dominate as much of the World as it can – and it will continue to maintain functional nuclear weapons and delivery systems into the far future. I’ll guarantee you that there is long range planning, already in place, to support these missions.
Maybe Allah can bring it to a halt, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one, either.
And our US military will continue to attract the “best and brightest” of minds, as it always has – since before the founding of the country.
One other thing we can count on, is that our military will be a road out of desperate poverty for impoverished immigrant masses, yearning to breath free – long after the rest of the American Dream is in the grave.
Hooah. Hooah.
By the way, I didn’t know that you were a janitor, and didn’t mean to personally insult you, but you really sound like you should feel better about your job and yourself.
Go and have a beer, it might help.
🙂
Every country in the world somehow or other manages to get the petroleum it needs, even if they’re not on the U.S. dollar. They trade their currency for U.S. dollar reserves, at whatever the going rate is, so they can then trade those dollars for oil.
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Those other countries don’t spend a trillion dollars a year on their military producing nothing other than the means to thieve and grab from others. Those other countries actually produce useful things that others want to trade for.
The Vatican is a Globalist Organization at this point.
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When was it not a globalist organization?
JHK says, “This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise.”
“When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles. One of the ways that the Internet is waking us up to is the fact that our ideologies, beliefs and protocols have all been given to us, invented by, this criminal network that now threatens our very existence. Examining his positions it is easy to see that Ron Paul knows and understands who is really ruling us. He has worked it out and his positions are really the only way out of the mess we are in. The criminal network has worked its way into almost every institution that exists. Understanding that it becomes clear that the only way out of the current predicament is too get rid of almost all of the institutions that exist.
That would be schools, militaries, large bloated federal programs, foreign aid and a lot more. These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal. These institutions are not there for the reasons that they claim to but they exist because they are tools of the criminal network. Our schools don’t teach us how to think, but what to think, our military is not there to make us safe, but to invade and steal the possessions of other countries for this criminal network.
Ron Paul articulates positions that, if put into effect, would eventually undermine this criminal network. Once we can remove the shackles of this cabal we will come to understand how much wealth we really have. When that moment comes a lot of our current unsolvable problems will become solvable.”
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57738-Ron-Paul-Will-Win-In-The-End
Good post.
Now, figure out who is it that runs this criminal network. Hint: It’s the same people that run the criminal organization which scribed your Vatican bible.
“Hint: It’s the same people that run the criminal organization which scribed your Vatican bible.”
-met-
WAIT, METUSELAH, I KNOW THIS ONE!
PICK ME! PICK ME! PICK ME!
It’s the Elks Club, isn’t it. Gotta’ be!
Moose Lodge?
Rotary Club?
PC, did you start on of the readings that I’ve posted. You know, this is YOUR history more than it is mine. Samuel Morse knew exactly what he was talking about. Everything he wrote has come to pass. He authored 2 books on the subject, read them!
Whoever it is, even the Vatican?, met, I’ll bet they are all in favor of high incoming immigration into the United States.
And, yeah, that was a good post in favor of Ron Paul, MD. Messianic Druid.
What are you doing on CFN? You obviously do not believe what JHK is saying. You don’t believe in TLE or WMBH (in which there is no functioning national military), so why are you here if you don’t believe we are going to run out of oil and a collapse is going to happen that immobilizes our military? Maybe you are here for entertainment, like so many others. Or to spread fear about 600,000,000, which is not going to happen. People will be leaving the USA in droves soon, perhaps to avoid radiation sickness … and you will be left to get by as best as you can, clinging to your guns and your Bible.
LOL…but I no longer drink or smoke pot and I never did smoke tobacco. One day about twenty years, I decided to just quit, and that was that. Oh, don’t get me wrong, sometimes I long for that seemingly magnified ability to be in the moment that marijuana provides. As a Russian mentor once told me, doing very small, monotonous detail work requires a shift in consciousness: One must become a midget in peaks, valleys, and acute crevices of very detailed, minute form that is often overlooked with ordinary scale vision. And a good pair of optical enhancers never hurts either. This is the “specific” aspect of form-development. From the general to the specific and back to the general, a sort of ‘secret’ in terms carving methodology. In fact, it’s not a secret; it’s logical. Establish the big picture first with a big sweeping vision, refine after that, and then back to the ‘general’ in order to harmonize the whole. And it can be applied everywhere, even to clean out a building. Life is Art.
This is not your country. You are just an animal on their animal farm. And they want this animal farm to be a global animal farm. Are you an animal or are you a human being? If you are a human being, then prove it! Prove it to yourself and prove it to them.
“If you are a human being, then prove it! Prove it to yourself and prove it to them.” -met-
You want I should blow sump’in up, Mr. Met?
Huh? You want I should blow up something??
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Look, metuselah, you’ve got me listening and looking. That’s about all I can do for you right now, besides vote for Ron Paul in the primary.
Hey Hancock1863! Hancock!
What do you think of Metuselah’s use of the Vatican as the driver of the Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory – that we are looking for?
Procon, trouble comin’ for USA in 2012:
Wade in the water, wade in the water children
Wade in the water,
God’s gonna trouble the water
Use use brain! They certainly used their brain against you. Don’t be a dumb animal. Think about what you can do to expose them and disenfranchise their franchises and monopolies, and act on it!
K-dog’s first post in a week. Hardly expected behavior from a presidential candidate but excusable for the time being. I am after all the only member of my campaign staff and I’ve been very busy learning how to make the k-dog for president website.
This post is a test. ‘k-dog’ should appear in bold green letters for the first time when I post this. Clicking on them (if I added the link correctly) should jump you to the future site of the k-dog website.
Right now there isn’t anything there but when I post again the website will be up. I have completed my learning curve of website nuts and bolts and now switch my focus to content authorship.
K-dog the Sustainable People’s Party the peoples choice.
“What are you doing on CFN?”
Searching for Truth, Asoka., searching for Truth.
Oh, and annoying you.
I go back and forth, as to which is the more important goal.
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I can’t believe you haven’t had a single word to say about the absent Qshtik, A..
Use your brain!
“Use use brain! They certainly used their brain against you. Don’t be a dumb animal.”
-met-
Enough with the animal insults, met, jeeze.
Next thing you know you’ll be calling me a swine or a catfish, or a oyster – – Oysters can NOT be Kosher, can they?
“disenfranchise their franchises and monopolies, and act on it!” -met-
Guess this means we’ve got to sell my wife’s XOM stock, huh? Damn, she’s gonna miss all those dividend checks.
How about my cable and internet connection?
That’s from a franchise too, you know?
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Look, Metuselah, you’ve been alive a long time now. What’s another 100 years to you? You’ve got to learn more patience – at least if you’re going to work with me.
And I’m not trying to provoke you to a Terrible Vengeful Wrath, by the way – just asking for clarification, in a, hopefully-to-someone, humorous manner.
As a kid I used to read Sport magazine. One day, I came across a U.S Army ad with a laconic Green Beret figure sitting beside a wilderness fire. The ad read something like ” eat rainbow trout in the morning, rabbit for lunch, and rattlesnake for dinner”. Well, that’s all it took for me; I was going to enlist and be ‘special’ and one of the ‘elite’. Before doing that, though, my grandfather got a hold of me and stated that it was not all that wise to want to be elite, or special. In fact, he was downright contemptuous of the entire concept. My desire to enlist eventually waned, but I never really understood his opposition to being ‘one of the few’ until years later.
It seems to me that Depression era individuals understood the value of the collective on a visceral level. The union movement, the demands of the Depression, the lack of a nursing home industry – all of these realities contributed to a distinct type of idiosyncratic American social consciousness. Once in a while, a person can still cross paths with one of these types from the older generation, but it is becoming increasingly rare. Instinctively, though, many people sense something amiss among the bombastic quest for mass celebrity status. More Woody Guthrie please, and less Jennifer Lopez.
Sorry, PC, that wasn’t meant as an insult. That was meant as a reference to George Orwell. Animal Farm and 1984 were two of his classics, and I think there’s a very good correlation between his novels and our current reality.
Re: Q’s death and your search for truth:
Each death is an end and a beginning.
Don’t pay too much attention to the end. It is an end to an old, rotten, miserable life style, and it is a great opportunity to begin a new life, not to commit the old mistakes. It is a beginning of an adventure. But because you cling to life and you don’t want to leave it – and it has to happen by the very nature of things – you fall unconscious.
Almost everyone, except those few people who have become enlightened, dies unconsciously; hence they don’t know what death is, they don’t know its new beginning, the new dawn.
Meditation is your own exploration.
You are searching to know exactly what constitutes you: what is false in you and what is real in you. It is a tremendous journey from the false to the real, from the mortal to the immortal, from darkness to light. But when you come to the point of seeing the separation from the mind and the body, and yourself just as a witness, the experience of death is the same. You are not dying… a man who has meditated will die joyfully because he knows there is no death; the death was in his clinging with life.
I just don’t have the patience to read the entire blog each week so I do miss a lot. And no, not all flattop wearers are jerks. I just have a problem with people who order high maintenance haircuts then let them go to seed. Sometimes I’ll concentrate on a particular style to try to improve what I’m doing. To me my entire job consists of trying to do exactly what the customer ordered. If you visit a number of barbers you should be able to find someone who will do what you want unless you’re ordering a haircut that you don’t have the hair for. My main advice is to wear your hair shorter as you get progressively balder, and as you get more bald, that is if you are, to remove the part from your hair and start to comb it straight back. If you like it short I’d recommend a shadow fade instead of a bald fade, because bald fades are high maintenance.
In terms of racial theories I find the European causasoids to be curious from the standpoint that they obviously don’t believe their own shit [mythology & religion] anymore, which explains their curious attempted objectivity vis a vis the other races, hence the widespread enthusiasm for anthropological studies on college campuses throughout the western world. This sort of objectivity reveals that they are inherently deracinated themselves, and overly sure of themselves as well owing largely to their recent status as colonists throughout the third world, and moreover as developed countries surrounded by more traditional societies. So your concern that whites don’t stick up for themselves has some foundation in reallity, and doubtless stems from the smugness arising from that formerly superior status. And yes, we will get our asses handed to us, as indeed we already have on several occasions when this colonial mentality outlived its usefulness and got us into trouble when we underestimated our adversaries, a process which continues apace today as well. So we’re fucked. Maybe it won’t matter if the human race survives long enough to move to another planet. Of course by then several millenia of interbreeding may have homogenized us all to the extent that we all end up looking alike, or sort of light brown. Keep those third world immigrants coming! After all, we don’t have enough umemployment so let’s import some more!
Baruch, whose family owned slaves!
I found this online…
‘The press has downplayed the fact that the script was criminally obtained. But not only did these so-called critics receive something that had been illegally acquired, the stolen product that they used to make their quiver of poison arrows was obsolete and had already been significantly revised.
As Icon producer Steve McEveety tells me, the script “is not a true representation of the film. It was, and is, a work in progress, as any filmmaker would appreciate.”
McEveety also notes that the folks at Icon “respect everyone’s right to their opinion about the film.” But “no one has a right to publicly critique a film that has not even been completed, let alone base their critique on an outdated version of the script which has been illegally obtained.”’
Why attempt to describe what Vlad looks like?
The only poster on here [I assume] that you can
rightly describe the looks of is YOU.
Awww. Asoka., I thought you were typing advice from the heart for me. But you weren’t.
Cite your sources, man.
http://www.osho.com/online-library-new-beginning-willingness-death-b98563ba-c15.aspx
Wagelaborer,
You describe elections as a circus yet you shill for Jill Stein. (I live in Massachusetts and voted for her when she ran for governor) Additionally, you have admitted to me on this site that you do indeed vote. So you clearly are in the category of “falling for it every time.” There is more than a whiff of cognitive dissonance in the air around you.
Asoka, Finally someone quotes the truth behind all life in our little microsphere. Let’s please drop the religious, political and racial bullshit. I thought this was a blog about sustainability. It has become a slur slingin’ shithole. I was gonna separate myself from this crap. But ” Just when I thought I was out, They pulled me back in!” Supernova anyone?
“We are stardust”
“Billion year old carbon”
We are golden
Caught in the devil’s bargain
And we’ve got to get ourselves
back to the garden”
“they are inherently deracinated themselves, and overly sure of themselves as well owing largely to their recent status as colonists throughout the third world…..So your concern that whites don’t stick up for themselves has some foundation in reality, and doubtless stems from the smugness arising from that formerly superior status. And yes, we will get our asses handed to us….”
-the resident submariner, on European whites-
That’s good stuff, Marc.
“People will be leaving the USA in droves soon, perhaps to avoid radiation sickness … and you will be left to get by as best as you can, clinging to your guns and your Bible.”
Make your stand right where you are, there’s no where else to go.
RT how be thee? Are you enjoying the balmy Bezerkshire winter? First winter in recent memory been able to continue to work outside this late in the season. I’m lovin it…
MD, I am not stupid. In the southwest I live three hours from an airport, two hours from an interstate, far from any population center that might be targeted, yet close to the Mexican border.
You say “make your stand.” As far as I know, clouds of nuclear radiation cannot be fought. You simply die slowly from exposure. Staying in place to “make a stand” would be to commit suicide, which does not interest me.
You say “there’s no where else to go.” In the event of a nuclear attack, I am gone … to the Andes (also far from any population center and far from Chavez’ Venezuela) … where I have everything in place to survive in style with papaya, mangoes, bananas, avocados, etc. and universal single payer health care for a one dollar co-pay with doctors trained in the USA.
You stay. You make a stand. Do battle with invisible radiation clouds. Good luck.
slightly wife I was wrong Please forgive me since I do not in the air slightly so slightly on the line several hundred people I swear I am not into playing semi temper slightly into
slightly wife I’m sorry I was wrong
Today I did something to my favorite wife is mad at something . . . I think slightly later regret the good wife all the good he gave me slightly and I do not shit all people . . . Cheng Cheng You’re a big jerk . . .
; ;
“You stay. You make a stand. Do battle with invisible radiation clouds. Good luck.”
-asoka.-
Yeah, OK, asoka., flee.
Can’t say as I really blame you.
Good luck getting an airplane ticket after a nuclear attack on the US, though.
As for me:
In Dixieland, I’ll make my stand
To live and die in Dixie.
“American Trilogy” -elvis presley-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOatBOsI6OA&feature=related
I’ve never been much of an Elvis fan, I’m a little too young. But he got American Trilogy completely perfect.
It’s another song that ought to make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, just a little bit, if you’ll really listen to it – and think about all the things that have brought the US to where we are, right now.
Vlad has bitch tits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyvTV5OJ5E&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Here’s a better HQ version.
Be sure you listen through to the end, when it wraps back around to “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”
OK, I’m done for the night.
CF on, you CF’ers!
Yeah, OK, asoka., flee.
Can’t say as I really blame you.
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I am not to blame for the madness. But I cannot deny it exists. Therefore, I looked for a rational response.
Being on CFN for five years was not a waste of time. I was playing and entertaining my multitudes, but I was also absorbing information and preparing.
I now have a workable Plan B.
CORRECTION
Being on CFN for SEVEN years was not a waste of time. Only five years to go, if the internet lasts that long!
Dhaa. Or there is more than one Malthus, or just to see who would bite. Take your pick.
Money doesn’t run out, it is just a proxy for relationships between people, for rules and regulations between people. That is why the FED can print trillions and just hand it all out to banks, no problem, the system is rich enough to back it all up with its imaginary “work” and jobs that potentially could be expressed by all of the millions of idle people worldwide. That is why the “gold standard” would simply kill of the economy completely, it would create an artificial scarcity (just like all of the Resource Scarcity Doomster wish and want there to be, because by saying that everything is running out, OIL is running out, there are too many people, etc. what they are really saying is that since this is how I “objectively describe reality”, “reality becomes my description”, I will force reality to abide to my description: if everyone believes that this is reality, reality becomes exactly this since reality is defined by the consensus people have on how they interpret it and how they define it, from a description language to a command language). Money, as a proxy for human relationships is infinite, just like “work” could be infinite (but most work today is useless, not needed, is just fluff).
No one is asking for the money from the wealthy, no one wants to take it away from them. That is what you think I want, but it is not, as far as I can see, and as far as I am concerned, they can keep their trillions, it makes no difference, it doesn’t even make a blip on the radar, it is irrelevant how much the rich have. It is not a limited resource, in fact it is the opposite, a Technological Economy creates money automatically, by the boatloads, there is no need to take it away from anyone. But the dominating ideologies (both right and left and green) love to “personalize” economic affairs, love to set people against each other as in who has more, who robbed this, the other guy is a freeloader, etc. never really talking about the structure, the large scale, really “objective structure” of the economy. It is very convenient to talk about people and their behavior and “who has more” then center the discussion on the real large scale structures of the Technological Economy: because if you did, you would have to admit that it kills way more jobs than in creates, it would imply the only possible solution : scott free handouts to all and huge public private projects.
Anyways the “rich” have so much that even if they did give a large chunk of it away, it wouldn’t even make a blip on their radar, they wouldn’t even notice, we are talking about 100 trillion dollars worldwide that doesn’t know what to do at all, do you have any idea how much cash they now have after hogging it up for decades (but it is not their fault, nor did they really ask for it, but the system automatically simply gives the money out to the already rich. They have billions, how on earth can they even spend it ? after you spend 10 million dollars on luxury cars and houses they still have hundreds of millions, and they don’t even probably want that cash or give two c*cks and a d*ck about it anyways (but only as a status symbol, who has more just for fun).
The system is set up automatically to create inequality, you don’t need 10 programmers, you need just one programmer who is very smart and who will work 20 hours a day, same for chip designers, biochemist, researchers, you name it, the system is not out to create jobs, but to eliminate as many as possible and hire only the best, the most “productive” and “competitive” (and rightly so, you would do the same thing) and those who will work the jobs of ten people or 20 hours a day, etc. This myth of job creation is totally false the invisible hand is just really the visible hand of getting as much a bang from a buck as possible and this implies the exact opposite of job creation: job destruction and hiring only the best. It goes without saying that out of a thousands Advance Services Information Workers only about a hundred are the best (oh yes, they deserve it and “worked hard for it” and nature was kind with them furnishing them with a top notch brain, I have seen it, there are people who are very quick and bright in math and chess games etc. nothing you can really do about it, it is pure inequality achieved from the outset, tough luck, oh but they say you can “work hard at it”, well this is false, the smart ones (or workaholics ?) are simply smart (or have no problem working 20 hours a day, etc.) the lesser ones are simply lesser no matter how much effort they put in, that is the nature of things, and the corporations and powers that be know this).
So what are you going to do with the other 900 that are good but not “top” (or workaholics) ? tell them to go fly a kite ? tell them that the invisible hand of the market will hire them ? And especially if the top guns are working their best and their most efficiently, they are actually producing directly or indirectly for everyone given the huge amplifications and economies of scale the Technological Economy has structurally. Now extend this to hundreds of millions worldwide that need jobs and a house, do they all “have to work hard for it”, when the system needs “hard work” like a hole in the head, and the entire idea of “hard work” is totally obsolete and just a puny cultural psychological relic of the 18th century that serves to make the losers feel guilty as in blame the victims ? And anyways the more those few million “top notch workers” work hard, the more they are producing for everyone, they are, and this ideology is creating even greater amplifications and economies of scale, but especially huge profits for the capitalists.
But it is all in vain, you will keep on saying, “it will never work”, vlad will say “blacks rape”, the other guy will say “don’t pay the welfare queens”, etc. etc. But what you say is actually what you want, you want it to be that way, just like everyone wants things to be exactly how they describe it, hence they reinforce the system as it is, they directly, by saying that it is “objectively like this”, really mean “we will make it so that it will always be objectively like this”, hence not a description language, but a “command language”, etc.
Also, all of these debates are based on guessing what the effects of some social rules and politics are on large populations of independent free wills: obviously there is and will never be any way to know, free will really means totally unpredictable, totally without any possible pattern or rule, actually it really means whatever you predict, whatever logic you think will happen or is operating, I will contradict it just because, for fun, just to demonstrate my free will, to show you that I can do anything at all, and especially to demolish your imaginary “objective society” since society is never objective but just a set of quirky, pure subjectivities expressing themselves and contrasting and breaking as many rules and contradicting as many possible discernible patterns as possible: that which will always break any pattern as soon as a pattern becomes apparent.
One thing I think many people are totally unaware of is how the last 100 – 200 years were so extremely exceptional, how they were such a truly one time quirk combination of events that will never repeat again: first the discovery and application Electricity, then of OIL (huge amount of free energy), then the automobile, then airplanes, then TV, then computers, etc. All of that technical progress in such a short time, all of those huge game changers creating all of that new work and “growth” and consumerism, etc. This is where the myth of Innovation, Research and Education “creating jobs” really comes from: the standard economic model thinks that (or pretends ?) we will go through similar cycles all over again, but they are totally insane to think this: how on earth can there ever be another innovation so incredible as the discovery and application of Electricity or OIL or the automobile or jet planes, space travel, you name it!
Of course all of those new inventions and innovations created huge growth and millions of new jobs, but it can’t ever be repeated again, no matter what, no matter how many new tablet designs or freckled face punk facebook web pages you invent. No way jose’, but they keep on insisting in this miracle formula, that there are all of these innovations and game changers and breakthroughs and “killer applications” that will create entire new sectors with millions of jobs. Wishful thinking, no, the only thing you can do is decide how to apply the technology you have, since 90 % of the fairy tale story of technology has been achieved and it is mostly over now, now it is all politics and deciding what to do with what you have.
And what you have to do is build trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars and give out free salaries and cheap rents for huge luxury houses (to get the McMansion building economy running up again) to all.
But all of these debates are like debates between lawyers, everyone will always find a way around any other position, everyone will always defend a position, no matter how irrelevant, wrong or crazy, etc. After all the USA invaded Irak on no logical position whatsoever and everyone defended it, Hitler turned an entire nation into insanity and no one said anything, etc. It is all a debate between lawyers, no matter what anyone says, there will always be a perfect response that will contradict the other party perfectly.
Now, go on, say that “on the paper it looks good but it will never work” (what you really mean is that you and millions of others will never make it work, don’t want to make it work and will always do everything they can to not make it work, will say that “objective reality” works according to your (or anyone’s else random ideology) ideology, etc.).
That was from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
in response to:
And I say you are forgetting human behaviorisms on a social level. On paper your way looks fine and should work but, reality is that it will lead to a tightly controlled country. Controlled by the very people that you want to take from. Does this country forbid people from leaving? Does this country tell you where to live and what work you are to do?
if you want to be a carpenter does this country say no, you are going to be an educator or street sweeper? Once you demand such release of wealth from the wealthy they will be given much much more cohntrol. They will make demands and those demands will have to be honored or the wealthy will destroy the wealth. Most wealth is tied up only in files not just hard assets. Take those files away and the wealth is gone. Close up plants ,burn them down and not file for insurance etc etc. The wealthy will destroy what they have before surrendering it. So either way, your way will not work. Either the wealthy will control even more or all will go into worse chaos. The latter would be the best for all concerned, even though many will lose.
Some correction for your thesis:
Money doesn’t run out, it is just a proxy for relationships between people, for rules and regulations between people. That is why the FED can print trillions and just hand it all out to banks, no problem, the system is rich enough to back it all up with its imaginary “work” and jobs that potentially could be expressed by all of the millions of idle people worldwide. That is why the “gold standard” would simply kill off the economy completely, it would create an artificial scarcity (just like all of the Resource Scarcity Doomster wish and want there to be, because by saying that everything is running out, OIL is running out, there are too many people, etc. what they are really saying is that since this is how I “objectively describe reality”, “reality becomes my description”, I will force reality to abide to my description: if everyone believes that this is reality, reality becomes exactly this since reality is defined by the consensus people have on how they interpret it and how they define it, from a description language to a command language). Money, as a proxy for human relationships is infinite, just like “work” could be infinite (but most work today is useless, not needed, is just fluff).
No one is asking for the money from the wealthy, no one wants to take it away from them. That is what you think I want, but it is not, as far as I can see, and as far as I am concerned, they can keep their trillions, it makes no difference, it doesn’t even make a blip on the radar, it is irrelevant how much the rich have. It is not a limited resource, in fact it is the opposite, a Technological Economy creates money automatically, by the boatloads, there is no need to take it away from anyone. But the dominating ideologies (both right and left and green) love to “personalize” economic affairs, love to set people against each other as in who has more, who robbed this, the other guy is a freeloader, etc. never really talking about the structure, the large scale, really “objective structure” of the economy. It is very convenient to talk about people and their behavior and “who has more” then center the discussion on the real large scale structures of the Technological Economy: because if you did, you would have to admit that it kills way more jobs than in creates, it would imply the only possible solution : scott free handouts to all and huge public private projects.
Anyways the “rich” have so much that even if they did give a large chunk of it away, it wouldn’t even make a blip on their radar, they wouldn’t even notice, we are talking about 100 trillion dollars worldwide that doesn’t know what to do at all, do you have any idea how much cash they now have after hogging it up for decades (but it is not their fault, nor did they really ask for it, but the system automatically simply gives the money out to the already rich. They have billions, how on earth can they even spend it ? after you spend 10 million dollars on luxury cars and houses they still have hundreds of millions, and they don’t even probably want that cash or give two c*cks and a d*ck about it anyways (but only as a status symbol, who has more just for fun).
The system is set up automatically to create inequality, you don’t need 10 programmers, you need just one programmer who is very smart and who will work 20 hours a day, same for chip designers, biochemist, researchers, you name it, the system is not out to create jobs, but to eliminate as many as possible and hire only the best, the most “productive” and “competitive” (and rightly so, you would do the same thing) and those who will work the jobs of ten people or 20 hours a day, etc. This myth of job creation is totally false the invisible hand is just really the visible hand of getting as much a bang from a buck as possible and this implies the exact opposite of job creation: job destruction and hiring only the best. It goes without saying that out of a thousand Advance Services Information Workers only about a hundred are the best (oh yes, they deserve it and “worked hard for it” and nature was kind with them furnishing them with a top notch brain, I have seen it, there are people who are very quick and bright in math and chess games etc. nothing you can really do about it, it is pure inequality achieved from the outset, tough luck, oh but they say you can “work hard at it”, well this is false, the smart ones (or workaholics ?) are simply smart (or have no problem working 20 hours a day, etc.) the lesser ones are simply lesser no matter how much effort they put in, that is the nature of things, and the corporations and powers that be know this).
So what are you going to do with the other 900 that are good but not “top” (or workaholics) ? tell them to go fly a kite ? tell them that the invisible hand of the market will hire them ? And especially if the top guns are working their best and their most efficiently, they are actually producing directly or indirectly for everyone given the huge amplifications and economies of scale the Technological Economy has structurally. Now extend this to hundreds of millions worldwide that need jobs and a house, do they all “have to work hard for it”, when the system needs “hard work” like a hole in the head, and the entire idea of “hard work” is totally obsolete and just a puny cultural psychological relic of the 18th century that serves to make the losers feel guilty as in blame the victims ? And anyways the more those few million “top notch workers” work hard, the more they are producing for everyone, they are, and this ideology is creating even greater amplifications and economies of scale, but especially huge profits for the capitalists.
But it is all in vain, you will keep on saying, “it will never work”, vlad will say “blacks rape”, the other guy will say “don’t pay the welfare queens”, etc. etc. But what you say is actually what you want, you want it to be that way, just like everyone wants things to be exactly how they describe it, hence they reinforce the system as it is, they directly, by saying that it is “objectively like this”, really mean “we will make it so that it will always be objectively like this”, hence not a description language, but a “command language”, etc.
Also, all of these debates are based on guessing what the effects of some social rules and politics are on large populations of independent free wills: obviously there is and will never be any way to know, free will really means totally unpredictable, totally without any possible pattern or rule, actually it really means whatever you predict, whatever logic you think will happen or is operating, I will contradict it just because, for fun, just to demonstrate my free will, to show you that I can do anything at all, and especially to demolish your imaginary “objective society” since society is never objective but just a set of quirky, pure subjectivities expressing themselves and contrasting and breaking as many rules and contradicting as many possible discernible patterns as possible: that which will always break any pattern as soon as a pattern becomes apparent.
One thing I think many people are totally unaware of is how the last 100 – 200 years were so extremely exceptional, how they were such a truly one time quirk combination of events that will never repeat again: first the discovery and application Electricity, then of OIL (huge amount of free energy), then the automobile, then airplanes, then TV, then computers, etc. All of that technical progress in such a short time, all of those huge game changers creating all of that new work and “growth” and consumerism, etc. This is where the myth of Innovation, Research and Education “creating jobs” really comes from: the standard economic model thinks that (or pretends ?) we will go through similar cycles all over again, but they are totally insane to think this: how on earth can there ever be another innovation so incredible as the discovery and application of Electricity or OIL or the automobile or jet planes, space travel, you name it!
Of course all of those new inventions and innovations created huge growth and millions of new jobs, but it can’t ever be repeated again, no matter what, no matter how many new tablet designs or freckled face punk facebook web pages you invent. No way jose’, but they keep on insisting in this miracle formula, that there are all of these innovations and game changers and breakthroughs and “killer applications” that will create entire new sectors with millions of jobs. Wishful thinking, no, the only thing you can do is decide how to apply the technology you have, since 90 % of the fairy tale story of technology has been achieved and it is mostly over now, now it is all politics and deciding what to do with what you have.
And what you have to do is build trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars and give out free salaries and cheap rents for huge luxury houses (to get the McMansion building economy running up again) to all.
But all of these debates are like debates between lawyers, everyone will always find a way around any other position, everyone will always defend a position, no matter how irrelevant, wrong or crazy, etc. After all the USA invaded Irak on no logical position whatsoever and everyone defended it, Hitler turned an entire nation into insanity and no one said anything, etc. It is all a debate between lawyers, no matter what anyone says, there will always be a perfect response that will contradict the other party perfectly.
Now, go on, say that “on the paper it looks good but it will never work” (what you really mean is that you and millions of others will never make it work, don’t want to make it work and will always do everything they can to not make it work, will say that “objective reality” works according to your (or anyone’s else random ideology) ideology, etc.).
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
[quote=”nameta9″]On parallel universes: I don’t think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn’t really work in reality.
Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don’t express all the possible combinations….
Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can’t conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica…
[b]TOBOR ATE MAN[/b][/quote]
Aside from the fact that an exact replica would mean an item exactly in the same position and the same distance from all others, a kind of chess board matrix of reality repeated forever each box being exactly the same, with zero distance difference between each point, etc.
But the idea of large numbers or large numbers of configurations cycling through and expressing all possible states of reality is not accurate: it is as if the quantity, numerical aspect of the combinations, the long bits describing an item is just one aspect of an entity, like a multidimensional space but you are only looking at one dimension not aware of all of the others. But in this case, the other dimensions are not numerical – logical or mathematical, they are something else, but we have no way to decode them or be aware of them, in short they are completely out of our range and reach, we are not related in any way to them, we are oblivious to them.
Of course what I really want to say has nothing at all to do with what I said, it is just a very wrong, gross, nay, totally wrong explanation of what I want to say, it is 100 % totally unrelated to what I really mean, if I even really mean anything at all, go figure.
I think this is why the combinational game is limited in the end.
Stupid people are easily influenced to hate Dr Paul.
Unfortunately, there’s some many of them.
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
About the “External Reality”, or “Objective Reality”, etc. well, none of this really exists: the only thing that exists is the reciprocal conflict between will powers describing and forcing reality to abide to each will power’s model. There is no external objective reality, only the reciprocal reality as perceived between two conflicting will powers, two (or more) people interacting and defining and creating a consensus on how to describe and interact in the common space called reality or society.
The only reality that exists is a reciprocally defined and compared model of reality between two minds, the Information Relationship, the Interaction, the reciprocal definition and interaction between two minds with the imaginary “external reality” as a stage.
When you realize that there is nothing absolute, no real rule or law, nothing at all but simply the quirky decisions of a quirky brain deciding what it wants to do, how it wants to interact, etc. and how all of these quirky, flukey brains interact, especially since we all know that Our Minds are Always Wrong, then you see why people need God and Religions and some kind of stable objective rules or structures to guide their choices and lives: it is just too much of a letdown and too violent to finally be aware that all depends on another random punk, his punky, useless, valueless values and minds and brains, his decisions, his choices which are also based on absolutely nothing at all.
Another reason why we need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship run by a Machine, a Computer that will decide for Man given that man is imperfect, is a pure punk, is a turd that can’t decide for himself…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
How much Memory before you Forget ?
If the Universe has 10 ^ 120 particles, then it can be set up as a memory of all past events: it would be equal to 10 ^ 120 bits, but as usual, the infinite recursion of how you want to delimit each memory element (and how you want to delimit the Observer – Brain, a Brain can be light years large) can vary, etc. There is not much you can express with just one bit, maybe 4gb (like a dvd movie) can express more, the memory slots become slightly less, 10 ^ 108, but being such a huge number of memory slots, it is more than enough for you to remember any past events and stories, etc.
One interesting problem would be how long would it take to access a given memory slot from those particles that are delimited as the Observer, that are acting as the Brain. If the memory slot is far away, it may take light years. So, in the meantime that Brain would simply read another closer memory slot. But it would have to establish a queue of memory slots it wishes to visit (but it decides with its Free Willonium section ?). So even the sequence of memory slots that it wants to access, must be remembered and must be calculated according to where the memory is. But if you don’t know something of the memory ahead of time, or at least a few bits of it, how can you know when to access it or where it is ?
Wow, a lot of thorny problems, a lot of vague situations…
But the memory slots that go “Beyond the Observable Universe” because of the expansion of the Universe become “Lost Forever”, that poor Brain will never remember them again. In time all the memory slots will be lost beyond the horizon of the Observable Universe, maybe after 10 ^ 100 years.
Always that, in the meantime, the delimitation of particles acting as the brain remains in some form stable, coherent, etc.
This all brings me to conclude that there is nothing or no one keeping score of all of our memories (and then those memory slots would be for one Brain, but what about the thousands of trillions of other Brains, they want their memory slots too), there is no place to put them, reality could be turned into pure memory but then there would be no Brain available to visit them or the memories would be lost forever beyond the Twilight Zone….
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
The real question remains, does logic cover all of our Physics, all of our Reality and Universe ? You can imagine two identical copies of a person, and maybe one is simply dead and the other is alive, but they are exactly the same physically, mathematically, in all possible measurements and physical measurements, 100 % identical, bar none, but there is no way to know or understand why one is alive and the other dead. So you can conclude using logic, that there is some kind of difference, some hidden difference that you can’t observe. But maybe it is not so, that there is no hidden difference, nothing at all, that there is no logical reason, (since even a hidden difference would make for a logical difference, nay, a “logical relationship”, hence logic (along with the identity principle and non contradiction) would still be covering all of Reality 100 %), one is simply dead, the other alive, the observation is the final explanation, nothing deeper or further, nothing else you can do.
To think something like that means that effectively, logic doesn’t cover all of physics, but we can’t even say this sentence since it still assumes some logic operating, hence we really can’t say anything else, even though we can use the sentence as a gross approximation (but 100 % wrong and totally unrelated, go figure).
Anyways, there are other possibilities like for example even if the two are alive and perfectly identical there is no way that it can be measured completely, you would need to be both persons and decide if you are identical, but as soon as your are both you are no longer identical to either since you are a combination of both, and also you would need to make trillions of perfectly identical measurements of all atoms, electrons, quarks, whatever between the two persons and compare them and verify that they are perfectly equal up to many decimal points, something like 10^-20 (which is a huge feat for just one measurement), etc.
So maybe identical persons, equal situations and experiences are valid only for our mind and brain that decomposes all of reality into logic (without even having to measure everything exactly as logic can simply approximate things even grossly, for logic things are simply Information Relationships, bits, it doesn’t matter what the precision is, just that it is a certain good enough configuration of relationships), bar none, since any sense organ event is always logic, is always a bit signaling presence or not presence, all of our experience is just a flow of millions of bits constantly informing us of our environment and our own state of mind, etc.
For our mind, brain, consciousness and experience everything is logic, but only for our mind. Reality may be much wider and deeper, but we are totally oblivious to it, even though, as usual, this sentence is 100 % wrong and what I wanted to say is not what I said, and everything I said is totally unrelated to what I wanted to say.
TOBOR AN 8 MAN
Buck & Bubble, them was some of the best posts on here last nite in quite a awhile.
Thanks. 🙂
Anyways, the choice is digital, either you demand scott free handouts and rockets to mars or you will fall into the trap your enemy sets up like when the OWSers and other unemployed etc. chant that they don’t want the welfare state, or handouts, they want jobs: this is exactly what they want you to say, so that you create a condition that must be satisfied before they give you free money, but since that condition can never be satisfied, or they can play around with it, they can do anything they want as soon as conditions are set up to get money, you will never win, the 1 % will keep on getting richer, the 99 % poorer, all against all.
Also the green thugs are doing everything to kill our science fiction future which should have already been here: they are against modifying food genetically, they say it is dangerous, well who gives two c*cks and a d*ck! everything is risky and dangerous, if you don’t want to modify the environment then just roll over and die, who cares what the risks are, we must move forward, same with atomic energy, all the fuss about the JAPAN accident, well, who cares! some people die, who cares, it is in the natural order of things, things work and sometimes don’t, but we must go forward, build trillions of atom energy plants (it makes no difference if there are accidents and millions die, it is irrelevant), rockets to mars, fake food, you get the idea, manipulate nature to death, don’t protect nature religiously, green thugs, tree huggers. Scaredy cat, pua, pa pa pa , you mairs, you fairys, pua pa pa pa …chickens, pua pa pa
AN APE
“slightly wife I was wrong Please forgive me since I do not in the air slightly so slightly on the line several hundred people I swear I am not into playing semi temper slightly into
slightly wife I’m sorry I was wrong
Today I did something to my favorite wife is mad at something . . . I think slightly later regret the good wife all the good he gave me slightly and I do not shit all people . . . Cheng Cheng You’re a big jerk . . .
; ;”
Poetry!….True poetry!!! It brings a tear to ones eye. If only Vlad could have a lover like this…
But wait, where is the fake LV bags Y copy Gucci boots?
😉
Greedy Bastards
Last night I went to a Dylan Ratigan discussion with Deepak Chopra and Arianna Huffington at ABC Carpet . It was also a webcast where people watching in real time could respond on twitter.
Ratigan has just come out with his book “Greedy Bastards” and this discussion, though not a book signing was to break out the book through the discussion of getting corporate money out of politics and starting a movement to overturn the Supreme court decision on Citizen’s United though constitutional amendment.
Ratigan ties in this movement with the OWSers and sees this as a way toward activism. Chopra concentrates on how cultural greed feeds into our present political mess. Much of what he sees as democratic process as auction on who can buy the presidency with the most money is how he sees the corruption manifested.
Huffington concentrated on the balkanization of America and how we have less upward mobility than in Europe, now and some 3rd world countries.
As this was going on the New Hampshire folks spoke. They voted for Romney and vulture capitalism that makes the situation worse. Nothing like awareness…Corporations are people too.
The conclusion I came to is that I would have gotten more from the discussion had I stayed home and watched it on my computer, but hey the wine and veggies were good.
Observable Universe ?
There is another limit to the observable universe not related to the cosmological expansion of the universe and the signals being so far that they can’t be captured anymore because they exceed the speed of light, etc. And namely, the signals are too close. If the signal is too close, then you are inside the signal and you can no longer distinguish it, it is no longer part of the “outside universe”. There may also be other limitations such as the signal may jump from point A to point C but skip point B, and if you are the Observer at point B, you will never be able to receive the signal, at maybe 10 ^ – 40 m, the planck distance…etc.
Go on, invent some other model where the observable universe cannot be observed because it is “too close”.
Close to The Edge…
Kewl! (Yep, it works.)
Squirrel chasin’, eh?
I was going to give you a few text tips for the… HEY, LOOK, a squirrel!!
As my boss used to sing in his pickup truck (sing it along with me now, Everybody!):
“I’m a squirrel squasher,
I’m a squirrel squasher;
Squashin’ squirrels all day…
Hey, hey, hey…”
(To the tune of “I’m a Girl Watcher”)
“The opposite of consumption is not frugality. It is generosity.” Raj Patel
We have been consuming laws instead of being lawful. We have been consuming resources instead of being resourceful.
It is time to pay the piper. Dieoff will commence soon enough. Peak Oil and Peak Everything is evident in Nome, Alaska, where the Coast Guard is struggling to bring fuel to a community full of people who lived on seal blubber and whale oil for millenia, but suddenly, they must have petroleum.
WTF?
The politicians…well…let’s just say it’s best to turn off your TV and go outside for a while. Maybe start digging that outhouse pit you’ve been considering with the composting levels built into it. Wanna borrow my backhoe before the fuel runs out?
Beans, books, bullets. See your local hardware store for seeds and shovels.
You might want to stock up on shoes, too. The good leather ones for working, and some Neatsfoot oil to keep them pliable.
It’s time people learned to be useful.
“It seems to me that Depression era individuals understood the value of the collective on a visceral level. The union movement, the demands of the Depression, the lack of a nursing home industry – all of these realities contributed to a distinct type of idiosyncratic American social consciousness. Once in a while, a person can still cross paths with one of these types from the older generation, but it is becoming increasingly rare. Instinctively, though, many people sense something amiss among the bombastic quest for mass celebrity status. More Woody Guthrie please, and less Jennifer Lopez. ” -Buck S.
I “inherited” a large dose of this mind-set from my family and their close acquaintances. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be), I also inherited a distaste for celebrity worship and the cult of personality. I’m not sure the two go hand in hand, but possibly?
Tegmark, 8Man, Old6699;
Keep those crazy, verbose, iconoclastic manifestos coming. I think I speak for the entire CFNation when I say we enjoy them immensely.
–WSP7
Nuhckin’ Futz, ain’t it?
I’m taking advantage of it too, but I’m also waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Will we get a righteous hammering in February and March? We may get a good spanking with the size and duration of storms these days…
I agree with your sentiments.
As an aside:
My very first thought on the fuel [non]shipment to Nome was, “What the fuck are folks who need diesel doing THERE, fer the luv-a-mike?!?”
Oh, that’s right, I guess they sold off their mineral rights and ancient skills for the “better life” that the Great White Father promised to provide. Fine trade.
Yes, I can now crack walnuts between my thumb and “scrolling” finger alone! Good workout. ;o)
One last note.
Now is the time to buy yourself a good well-built guitar. They’ve become incredibly cheap for high quality. Entertaining oneself will become a satisfying diversion once again. (Not that much outlay in $ for something that will last you a lifetime, and perhaps your chir’rens too if treated with a bit of care and a good hard-shell case.)
Stock up on strings too.
And now, I’m fresh out of bad advice.
I hadn’t heard such rumors. Do you put any stock in them? What if he is gay? Would you vote for a gay male or female president? Would it be a deal breaker?
I think there’s some serious problems that have to be dealt with and IMO the less time spent on stuff like this the better. Like: how much time did the boys and girls in the White House have to piss away over the issue of whether Obama was foreign born?
did i miss confirmation of the deletion of our Q-check? i ve seen it mentioned that he has disapeared before, and that he supposedly left instructions for last words…?
“Why should I? You already said you wouldn’t accept anything unless it was from a source you believed – orthodox, court historians.”
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Ah yes….the court historians. Those fiendish types who rely on historical documents and research, and not just on whatever fevered nonsense might currently be perculating between their ears.
“Let’s not try to run before you can walk. Before I try and track down obscure sources, do you believe that there is a plot to dissolve the border between Mexico and the United States? Or that there was a plot to turn Europe in Eurabia?”
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That’s right…..I need to be able to run off the cliff of irrationality before most of your statements would be more than laughable. Why!…..every morning there is a plot by the army of bacterial flora in my intestines to create a great big turd that I must then flush down the toilet…..to God knows where? What exactly are “they” doing to my feces, and are the jews involved? The unanswered questions just boggle the mind.
Actually, there are quite a few sources on line regarding the plots by the Rothschilds to take over America. Of course, most of those sources also believe we are controlled by alien reptilian overlords….but hey….who knows, right?
Face it Vlad, on the issues to which you are so demonstrably blind, you are in exactly the same category as Metuselah. Batshit crazy.
Batshit crazy.
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I suppose Samuel Morse (inventor of the telegraph and the Morse code) was also batshit crazy, because he authored not one but two books, saying exactly what I’m saying. He detailed the conspiracy in great detail, and everything that he has warned about has basically come true. Read his books! What are you so afraid of?
The Real 99 Percent – YouTube
– http://goo.gl/pvH3s
“What exactly are “they” doing to my feces, and are the jews involved? The unanswered questions….”
-dale-
Dale, surely you are aware that your fecal material contains a wealth of information about you. Medications taken, dietary habits, general health condition – it’s all there. Not to mention, unknown numbers of your own living cells, each with a complete copy of your own genotype – for further study. Or, how about, cloning?
You can’t be too careful on trips from now on.
Bush wasn’t. This is from HuffPost, so we know it’s true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-krassner/excrement-in-the-news_b_24536.html
I hope Obama is being careful on trips, too. I’d hate to see the destabilizing influence of a perfect Obama clone, in 35 years, when the clone could run for president.
Talk about your anti-anti-Christ?
Please don’t substitute criticism and doubt for lack of knowledge altogether. – turkle
What I’m arguing FOR is SCIENCE. I’m arguing against IGNORANCE. I’m arguing in favor of having SCIENTIFIC issues argued and researched openly and fairly.
So what do I make of this issue of global warming or anthropogenic climate change blunting a glacial advance? I think that the apparent lack of discussion on this issue smacks of a couple of things: 1) incompetence on the part of the scientific community in its collective failure to identify, research and discuss such an obvious issue 2) a collective timidity on the part of this same community.
Incompetence I can forgive. I’ve fucked up enough in my own life.
But what would seriously bother my ass is if timidity was the cause for this huge miss ie if scientists were intimidated by their peers or superiors into silence or if leaders in university faculties were active in suppressing discussion of uncomfortable issues. Issues that might give ammo for those arguing against taking action on carbon emissions.
I’m realistic enough to know that politics invades science. People are political animals, they make alliances, take sides, get emotional when others take opossing stances. And that includes scientists.
But science has to be about FACTS and scientists can’t be held hostage by political agendas. I’m not saying that that’s what’s happening here because I don’t know. But it sure smells that way.
I don’t know that concern for a looming ice age is a peripheral issue. Glaciation advance and recession IMO is the big kahuna of climate change. Understanding the phenomena IMO is absolutely central to understanding climate. And so is understanding the intersection of human activity and natural climatic processes.
I’ve heard that this is “settled science”. That rankles me. IMO NO science can ever be “settled science”. ALL issues of science have to be open to re-examination and argument.
Well, given that we can never know (maybe posterity will, but even that is a longshot) for sure, what else can I say but that I suppose it’s a possibility.
This is the problem with living in totalitarian information control, whether it be classical forms or the newfangled Ed Bernays Inverted Totalitarianism methods.
We know SOMETHING is going on and that it is likely well-beyond and opposite of what TPTB and their various organs “tell” us is going on.
But, without a free press, without at least some significant law enforcement (LE) that dares to have integrity in the face of raw power, without all the rest, we can never even get a whiff of the truth.
And, if in the past at the height of the former USA (1945-1980), all we got was a whiff of the REAL, highest-level human truth…
(like this)
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushwarning.jpg
…then it is likely more than any nation gave it’s own serfdom.
Having said all that, Met’s whole thing is that, no matter what, Israel is 100% morally spotless in every situation. Since no nation or people are like that, right there it’s a huge hole in the theory.
Plus, every piece of contraditory evidence is blowharded away with the cry, “Vatican/CIA propaganda!”
Which again proves the similarities in authoitarian personalities.
A Nazi would reply to contradictory evidence, “Jewish propaganda!” and dismiss it out of hand.
A Fox Newser would reply to contradictory evidence, “Liberal propaganda!” and dismiss it out of hand.
A 1975 Soviet Comrade would reply to contradictory evidence, “Capitalist propaganda!” and dismiss it out of hand.
Since I am of the opinion that authoritarian personalities, for reasons discussed ad infinitum here, are literally the farthest from any human truths and the last to know, it’s difficult to lend credence to a theory with such intellectually odious “logical” underpinnings emanating from such a non-conscious bunch.
Doubly so, given a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations.
Is the Vatican corrupt as hell (pun intended)? Almost 100% certainty. We can see by observing their actions and deceptions versus their pretty words.
Is American CIA, the HS, other intelligence orgs and Ruling Class equally as corrupt? Also near 100% certainty, also.
Is Mossad and the Israeli Ruling Class also equally corrupt? Also near 100% certainty. Google Avigdor Lieberman if you’ve never heard of him. Now THERE’S a guy who, like Dick Cheney, could have easiy fitted into the Nazi command structure without changing an iota of his personality (only his racial heritage, I suppose).
My guess is they and other 0.01% aristocrats are ALL in on “it”, to one degree or another. But that’s all it is…a guess.
Whatever “it” actually is – from Alien Space Lizards to just a multicultural Global Aristocratic uncoordinated mash of coincidental interests and evolutionary survival imperatives on a sinking Titanic of a world about to undergo mass dieoff and a Dark Ages reset (in the best case scenario), and every theory in between.
If there is a grand unifying aspect, it’s probably something as pedestrian as wealth, power, sociopathy and ruthless disregard for other “inferior” humans, thinking of us as talking dogs or cattle. If their is any unifying racial aspect of it, it’s probably White European (including Ashkenazi Israel), but that has more to do with technological prowess and skyrocketing energy availability leading to control of others’ resources that catapulted White Europe to world domination, starting in the 16th Century or so and I bet other races/religions would have behaved the same way had they reached the technological heights before White European Aristocracy.
Here’s a bit of history: the Chinese rebelled against the Brits for the right NOT to have their nation flooded with British opium. They lost. Therefore, it is no stretch to think that America, the de facto and literal inheritor of the British Empire, would not hesitate and has not hesitated to do the same. It’s Anglo-American tradition to weaken target groups by getting them addicted to debilitating, narcotic subtances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
Thus, I am pretty sure that Gary Webb had it right about the CIA and crack in inner cities. Maybe they didn’t invent it, but they made sure that the supply spigots were flowing with the USA stamp of approval. Just like Native Americans being “alocoholized”. Profits were made and the interests of the 0.01% were futhered.
Same as today. Afghanistan is Opium Central Station now after the Taliban drastically reduced production in the late 90s, all thanks to the former USA, and that’s no coincidence, either.
Now look what you did. Now doofus is going to shriek “VaticanCIAJihadi propagandist!” and other nonensical blather.
I’ll say it again ProgorCons. You spend WAAAAY to much time responding to Resident Impediment and the rest of CFNs Clown Brigade, and all of it pointless. I occasionally lapse but you make a daily habit of it.
RI himself has admitted numerous times that he is using you for entertainment purposes, yet you still keeping coming back for more. Met is almost certainly doing the same, or feeding his own mental illness, which amounts to the same thing from your perspective.
That’s not the rational intellectual discussion you seek, so why encourage more of it?
You aren’t going to change them – why waste time, especially as much time as you typically do on their nonsense.
Finally, after writing this, it occurs to me to ask you to please not drag me in future into discussions you’re having with CFN’s Clown Brigade.
I am happy to discuss just about anything with you, but just don’t link it to the clowns, which only emboldens them and cause them to be more mentally diarrhetic.
This blog already has a big enough problem with that for you to feed it so frequently.
Wage,
Thanks for your response and apologies for my late reply – I just now saw it.
I presume distributions of funds to the top 20% will have some sort of regional requirement? At a No Child Left Behind model seems very problematic, almost an incentive to avoid treating the most chronic and difficult cases so as not to bring down a rating. At least that is how I am reading it but maybe I am wrong.
…the one crucial thing is to demonstrate to the whole world that it is Washington’s hand that controls the spigot and no one else… EH
Yep, show to the world whose johnson is bigger.
If I was a betting man I’d bet that the interest of oil producing countries and the kleptos that control them is in keeping the spigots open and keeping the billions flowing in. After all, you can never have too many mansions, Mercedes, Ferarris, yachts, gold bars etc…After all they want to show how big their johnsons are too, not just American leaders.
I think that the effort and expense of the US in producing fleets of megabuck warships and jet fighters is a huge waste. Not only are they militarily ineffective as the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Vietnam for that matter) have amply shown but the oil princes would be happy as can be to keep the spigots open. So why bother? Why put on display American military impotence and ineptitude?
Evangelicals across the land are tuning in to right wing conservative radio to sing the praises of Tim Tebow – Halleluiah! These holy rabid zealots, who never miss a chance to invoke Christ and “God” are the same twisted hypocrites who fight tooth and nail against a equitable health-care system. Indeed it is the pathological malignancy that has divided America further and further into nation of have-nots. If you have a health care provider issue, get down on your knees and pray more. Think I am engaging in hyperbole and exaggeration? Just have a peek at the below letter to the editor:
“God and Tim Tebow are working together in wonderful and mysterious ways. Sports fans already saw divine providence with the St. Louis Cardinals in the fall. I don’t have any problem believing the same kind of result is possible for the Broncos after watching Sunday’s game.”
Wow, HC, long answer to a short question, hey?
Actually, you hit a couple of good points, and I’ll post out a longer response later this evening.
Gotta run, now.
And as regards the CFN Clown Brigade (tm hancock)
I try, man, I really try, not to.
But it is soo much fun to make them come piling out of their clown cars – and to watch them pour gasoline on their own smoldering fires.
Besides, what else are we going to do around here when things get slow? I’ve gotten tired of running Chinese spam through Google Translate. ;0(
“Stock up on strings too.” Hey O3 a few years back I made a huge score on strings at a music store supplier. a coupla’ dozen each of six and twelve string sets. Problem is my twelve string sets are still cool except I only have a couple of High “G” strings left. Those sons of bitchs i can’t seem to keep in one piece! WTF? Ham fist sum uf a bitch I am!
Sorry.
These are extremely complex concepts, plus I have no talent for brevity.
“So why bother? Why put on display American military impotence and ineptitude?”
Though I know you don’t like to explain everything in terms of money, it is really quite simple. Large defense contractors make a lot of money from the production of expensive war gear, like jets and ships. When there is enough money involved, people will do almost anything. Many of the top-level staff in these companies are former military or government types, who then lobby the government to make all these purchases. They capture the legislative branch by spreading around the production of the components to as many Congresional districts as possible. They need wars to get rid of the old equipment by blowing it up, to make room for the new stuff, or as an excuse for better/faster toys.
Did you think there was another, better explanation?
Bravo Prog, you nailed Dale. These people work so hard to make Conspiracy Theorists look like fools that they humiliate themselves. Dale is completely a creature of the Establishment – and probably always has been. Nothing is real to him until his superiors say that it is. Then he goes into his big bullshit bluster act that he was on it from the begining. I can see him as a little boy kissing his teacher’s ass, always giving them exactly what they want. And as a college student getting straight A’s without ever even the stirring of an original thought.
And take Dee. Her posts reveal nothing about me but volumes about her. Yesterday she revealed the contempt she has for poor working men – even ones who perform valuable work. Now virtually all women share these same “values” but most of them have the sense to hide it on sites like this.
Rhino, I find it disingenuous that you question the entire concept of Climate Change and Global Warming simply because your pet concern of a new Ice Age has (supposedly) not been included into the results. As I’ve stated before, the Ice Age cycle is a long one, around 40,000 years, and the effects of human pollution on the atmosphere are rather immediate by comparison, on the time scale of 100-150 years, at a (probable) maximum. The basic argument of the climate scientists is that humans have caused a global average temperature rise over the last 100 years, which is clearly supported by the data, plus the ancient historical correlation between temperature and CO2 levels. So if there is an incoming Ice Age, the effects of Climate Change have counter-acted and then surpassed it. And that’s a pretty big ‘if’.
I agree that, in general, scientific results should be open to reinterpretation, addition, and discussion, but not just by any old Joe Shmoe. I don’t trust laymen to do this, as they tend to be misinformed and run with whatever pet critique they read on some blog that day. You kind of seem like a case in point with your bogus concerns about new Ice Ages. I’m not going to tell you how to fix the plumbing in your house, because I’m not a plumber. Similarily, why do so many people think they have the right to critique scientific results in a field where they have little to no real expertise or understanding? When scientists in a certain field of inquiry reach a consensus of 90-99%, I’m not going to question their findings unless I have very good information to the contrary and/or have studied the issue in-depth myself. That’s because these results are (generally) reached through a rigorous system of peer-review and reproducible experiments, not pulled out of thin air.
It reminds me of the Intelligent Design camp who say that evolution couldn’t possibly have lead to our current physical structure. Okay, well how could they know this? Are they evolutionary biologists? Nope, just another pack of morons with misinformed opinions. You know the one about opinions and a certain orifice and how everyone has one? 😉
Your examples prove that man is a fallen being. We need religion to guide us. I know that they become corrupt too, but at least we get some mileage out of them before that happens.
I commend you for being willing to talk about the Jews. Most here are too busy genuflecting to ever really look at what they do. Now if you could only look at Blacks….
In any case, different groups don’t get along. Thus Empires are always unstable. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a dead man walking. A disaster waiting to happen and then it happened. The United States is the same – filled with groups that hate each other. There will be a group for you too: Whites who hate other Whites and “believe” that other races are better. But how will you defend yoursleves against the other races who come to take what is your’s? By going against your false principles, that’s how. My group wont have that problem, nor will any of the non White groups.
“We need religion to guide us.”
Speak for yourself, pea brain.
If Obama was foreign born he’s not the president. Duh. And btw in case you care, nobody familiar with valid documents believes the piece of crap they finally produced as a birth certificate. The evidence is clear that he was not born in America. Evidently he also got the kind of financial aid that foreign student get as well.
Oh, right, Vlad’s a birther, too. What a big surprise there…
“In any case, different groups don’t get along.”
People in the same group can not get along, too, Vladdie. Every nation is like a mini-empire, anyways. The idea that political groupings should or could be 100% homogenous in terms of race and belief is a fantasy of your little mind.
“My group wont have that problem”
Why are you assuming that anyone wants to be in a group with you at all? Judging from how you get along with people on the internet, I’m guessing you’re not exactly the most popular guy.
“I “inherited” a large dose of this mind-set from my family and their close acquaintances. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be), I also inherited a distaste for celebrity worship and the cult of personality. I’m not sure the two go hand in hand, but possibly?”
I’m not sure. Some people of merit are naturals in the limelight and for whatever reason their lives fascinate us. Others attempt to mimic these people and construct a false atmosphere of adulation and celebrity and come off as nothing but ridiculous. A prime example of this is Facebook, where page owners are now Walter Cronkite, Howard Cosell, Dick Clark, Rush Limbaugh and Lao Tze all rolled into one, and this is just the older generation. Our parental mass media has turned the nation into a simpering, preening group of baby pageant imbeciles.
“…plus I have no talent for brevity.”
Excuse me, sir. How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
Practice.
See, I have a story about tennis matches with my Muslim friends. They’re not matches, they’re Crusades. But, I’m not gonna put it out there until it’s ready. If you start to ramble….
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Man, you done properly violated a perfectly good pop song.
Send me a chart would’ja?
“We know SOMETHING is going on and that it is likely well-beyond and opposite of what TPTB and their various organs “tell” us is going on.”
The problem with methuselah’s theory is simply, Why would a group that had control of what they make up out of nothing to mislead and manipulate the populace, write stuff that condemns in plain language all the stuff they are doing? IOW: Wouldn’t it be smarter to remove these warnings about following the commandments and doctrines of men and replace them with “the love of tyrants is the beginning of wisdom” or “bow down and worship the leaders that God has placed over you” or “make contracts and agreements with the ungodly and they will protect you and keep you from harm” or “I have given them the power of life and death over you and your children, trust them, therefore…”
When you have actually read and studied the scriptures they show forth as a system of law where restitution and justice are perfected, not immediately and sometimes not without pain, but in learning righteousness men are conformed to reality, a harsh mistress, ready to chastise.
Too ham-fisted. You’re not thinking in terms of advertising and PR. Our aristocracy and their priest/rabbi/imam/etc. mouthpieces knew in days of old that they couldn’t manipulate people by being straightforward.
Mass and behavioral psychology ala Bernays et al has proven these intuitions conclusively.
Legitimacy is conferred by authority. Wealth, power, and popularity come to mind as form of legitimacy-generating “authorities”.
Once conferred, the longer it survives over time and generations, inertia sets in as does the phenomena of people clinging to discredited or illogical ideas simply because it’s too painful to admit they’ve been taken for fools.
How much worse over time does that phenomena prevent uncomfortable questions, when it becomes, “not only have I been a fool, but my parents, and their parents and their parents…”
Plus, add the sheer raw physical brute power religion has consistantly brought to bear with torture, rapine, and murder for any who dare question (Spanish Inquisition, anyone? Burning, stoning and shunning, anyone?), then it becomes very easy to see how various sorts of bunkum survives and thrives over time.
Not that I am certain one way or another of the eistance of God. The only think I am sure of is that no barely-evolved monkey ever born has any idea, not…even…close…of whatever, if any, the ultimate universal truths are.
Whatever the ultimate universal truths are, scientific or otherwise, they are so far beyond we poop-throwing chimps probably even to conceive of their shape, let alone understand them fully.
That’s what I believe, but I digress. Your point ignores 8000 years of psychological manipulation (intuitively understood by aristocratic sociopaths long before Uncle Siggy and Nephew Eddie codified the mental nuclear bombs that now carpet bomb our species’ mind daily).
Religion, like other forms of psychological manipulation of human frailties and needs, depends mostly on two related prongs of attack.
1) Dependant on the subject/victim being gullibly unaware that they are being manipulated.
2) Therefore, the manipulation cannot be straightforward as you postulate because it leads back to the breaking of Rule 1), reducing or destroying the effectiveness of the manipulation.
IOW: No religion could survive by telling anything even close to the truth about it’s underlying intentions, nor could any aristocracy.
I’ll tell you what I told ProgorCons: If you want to better understand the secular world in which we live, including all organized religions, who’s primary purpose is and always has been the expansion of secular aristocratic power in addition to it’s own, then you need to understand better the sciences of mass and behavioral psychology, as well as the methods of advertising, marketing and PR.
At this time in history, Planet Earth runs on little else besides those things and financial fraud, at least as far as the aristocracy goes.
You might want to start with Nephew Eddie Bernays seminal work, “Propaganda”. It was written in the 1920s, but it’s precepts are still followed today and it’s callous attitudes towards we peasant-cattle describe the every unchanging attitudes of the aristocracy and their henchpersons towards we peasant-cattle.
Hic-a-Doo-La!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgfphnUdeU
Jammer?
Another New Englander?
That makes about an even half dozen. Our numbers are growing. Watch us as we gather strength.
–WSP7
Hey guys!
Another Israeli-American terrorist attack in Iran!
I am so very proud.
http://www.countercurrents.org/aj110112.htm
Panetta let slip on Meet The Press last week that Iran isn’t trying to build a nuclear bomb, but the sad truth is that they would be better off if they did.
Why?
1) Appeasement never works against totalitarian nations like Israel and the former USA, doubly so when they are bent on world domination, even the PR-designed Inverted Totalitarianism-RW Corporate Socialist world domination these nations practice. Because at bottom, totalitarian bullies with better PR and plausible deniability are still the same as their more brutal predecessors, like Nazi Germany, and will eventually seek their base level when the “gentler persuasion” methods like targeted assassinations are no longer enough, especially against their own wholy deserving citizenry.
2) Recent history has shown that a possessing a nuclear bomb is the ONLY thing that will stop terror merchants like America and Israel from attacking a nation with resources to steal.
Not that I am suddenly siding with Iran, it’s just that there clearly are no “good guys” in these fights, just a bunch of sociopathic assholes playing their usual games of grab-ass and now securing the final resources on the Titanic as it starts to shake and list severely.
By default, Iran is a bit more sympathetic simply because any victim of any stronger bully getting the crap knocked out of him is a more sympathetic character than the asshole bully doing the beating (or in this case, terrorist murders).
I have no illusions, though: Iran would probably behave identically if they had the technical, psychological, propagandstic, economic and military power of the Americo-Israeli Plausibly Deniable Empire, were the roles were reversed.
“Oh, what a brave new world, that has such people in it!”
–William Shakespeare, “The Tempest”
“And take Dee. Her posts reveal nothing about me but volumes about her. Yesterday she revealed the contempt she has for poor working men – even ones who perform valuable work. ”
AS someone once said, ‘There you go again’, twisting my words with your own interpretations. I think that what I have said about you reveals volumes. You are a low life, probably and ex con, in a minimum wage job. I have contempt for YOU, not the job, as sadly, it probably the only one you can get with your record. And Buck thinks the highest of trash-pickeruppers. You are a sad, pathetic little (and small dicked)man.
Fortunately, there is probably not a woman in the world dumb enough to actually breed with you, thank the Goddess for that. You you and your ideas will die out, forever to be forgotten.
So long Big Loser, the only thing you are good at.
;]
Rino, why are you so obsessed with the Ice Ages?
Even global warming, man made or otherwise will only delay the next one by a few thousand years. Do you expect to be around then, in your current body?
I don’t think so. So why worry about it?
Without global warming, it happens a couple thousand years sooner. So what? You will be long, long, long dead by then. Probably so will the human race.
Are you trying to show some kind of ‘future compassion’ for whatever species inherits the earth after we are gone? Good luck with that.
😉
You must think that we enjoy reading the same history lessons over and over and over and over…
etc.
Get a clue, ya swarthy fuckin’ heathen.
Sincerely,
Golda Meir
Very sloppy statement.
“Religion” has at least nine definitions, given by Wilber in The Sociable God. For example, is your statement directed at both exoteric religion and esoteric religion?
You needn’t feel compelled to reply, since you do not want to encourage the CFN Clown Crowd. I just wanted to point out a flaw in your monolithic RWA thinking.
BTW, circuses and clowns are being unfairly denigrated by your remarks. In any event, you are always welcome in CFN Clown World.
And then there’s you. The person who wants to chastises America (by definition multi-cultural) for not being multi-cultural enough. Wanna hang out with me in East LA? How about south Chicago. How about Bed-Sty?
Obviously, he meant the institutions of religion, with their associated priests and officials, which you could easily tell from the context, if you weren’t so busy being unnecessarily pedantic.
That’s how language works. The meaning of words is constrained by the other words that surround them. If that wasn’t the case, how would you be able to read these sentences at all without being completely confused? Many words have multiple meanings, but we don’t feel the need to specify which definition is being used, because this is usually obvious from how the word is used in context.
So stop being such a git, soka! 😉
“BTW, circuses and clowns are being unfairly denigrated by your remarks.”
LOL. Won’t someone think of the carnies!
“Wanna hang out with me in East LA? How about south Chicago. How about Bed-Sty?”
Sure…you bringing the booze?
You bringin’ the bullets?
I always think of the Carnies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Z9qN8R9Bg
Dee,
Not forgetting. Will LA and SD be able to support the millions there today fifty years from now? Probably not. Will there still be a lot of people there? Yes, almost certainly. El Norte will eventually become a desert culture, but that’ll take a century or more to happen, and key strategic areas like Los Angeles and San Diego will still be around, though diminishing every decade. Gamechangers could include advancing desalination plants, which will exchange offshore oil production for water.
Outside of the LA metro-area, however, I expect a very different picture. Scottsdale will be gone in thirty years. Las Vegas in forty. Las Vegas grew as a “safe place to sin”, a place to put all the gambling casinos, prostitutes, and night clubs during the 1940s and 50s. Gambling now has become fairly wide spread, prostitution an increasingly unenforced “victimless crime”, and booze is available everywhere. As the Colorado River dries up, the cost of maintaining the city goes up. It has the advantage of wide areas for solar, but without water, the city will die.
Ditto for Scottsdale, which is attractive primarily to the elderly. As mobility decreases (one of the consequences of Peak Oil) the idea of moving out into the middle of the desert to spend the rest of your life will become increasingly seen as delusional.
My suspicion is that over the course of the next twenty years, you’ll see a great deal of “white flight” from these two areas as infrastructure and social services collapse, and probably the same from Los Angeles. Already more and more of “Hollywood” exists in the areas around San Francisco’s tech sector, and as that trend continues, you’ll see greater migration of the financial apparatus (producers and studios) move as well. I’d put the “center” of Hollywood near Berkeley, where Pixar is now.
What will be left will be Mestizo.
So stop being such a git, soka! 😉
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I just cain’t hep it, missah turkle. Pedagogy be in my blood.
What will be left will be Mestizo.
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We all mestizo, massah kurt. Ain’t no pure bloods to be found no-where no-how.
We all mixed race and gots at least one drop non-white blood. Don’t you be foolin’ you self now. Blood just liquid. Dem neurotransmitters and hormones don’t have no color anyways.
Race be a political psychological construct for dem right?wing authoritarians who desire social dominance.
“Legitimacy is conferred by authority.”
Claiming authority is not the same as having authority. Obama has claimed to have authority to do the things Bush started doing and has now passed NDAA to legalize it, and attempt to give it legitimacy. We know that all such authority expressed through Law must be in conformance to higher Law. IOW, you cannot make up laws that do away with previous laws that explicitly deny the authority to do so. One must pretend that all laws are of homo sapien origin to replace them with new ones. This is the element of metusalah’s theory I reject, because no matter how subtle, one is still usurping authority if one rebels and rewrites the laws. We were not given the authority to *make* law, only to enforce it. Obama presides over a national office empowered to enforce constitutionally authorized actions; nothing else. We, as individuals, preside over our own lives to enforce the law upon our own actions, not to “do that which is right in our own eyes”, and nothing else. Only if we are called to serve others in some public capacity do our actions come under the discrimination of others. “If we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.”
turkle,
There are some interesting (albeit unconclusive) indications that the solar cycle is beginning to move into about an 70 year cooling cycle that will trough in 2045 and then move into a 35-40 year warming cycle after that. It’s not an ice age, per se, and probably less severe than the Dalton minimum of the 1820s, but it will be noticeable.
What global warming will do will likely lessen the severity of that, and there will almost certainly be people who will interpret this period as invalidation of the GW theory. Where things get really dicey is the period from 2080 to 2120. If the global economy completely collapses between now and 2050 due to peak oil depletion and the lack of the development of an alternative, many of the bigger factors in carbon production – deforestation, mega-herds of cattle, transportation, agribusiness, etc., will likely cease being a factor by 2100, and it may be that the earth is able to cycle out the excess carbon, especially if there is a period of global cooling (some of this will be offset by the burning of more coal and firewood per capita, just that there will be a lot less capitas).
On the other hand, if civilization does manage to stave off collapse due to peak oil (through fusion, microwave power or thorium-based reactors) then there is a very real possibility that global warming will be significantly worse by 2100, bad enough to potentially precipitate a methane release event that could in fact bring on an ice age. The two are not unrelated.
Global warming is bad, but ironically liveable – it will shift the population away from the equator and will likely result in coastal cities moving considerably inland, but these are relatively slow events. An ice age is considerably worse, as it makes much of the temperate zone (which has the largest aggregate land mass) uninhabitable.
Dale, surely you are aware that your fecal material contains a wealth of information…
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Well come on over and cup your hands and I’ll download all the informtion you desire.
Oh, right, Vlad’s a birther, too. What a big surprise there…
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Of course….according to Vlad, “you must walk before you can run”. Which apparently means you must believe what he says BEFORE he supplies the proof.
“You’re not thinking in terms of advertising and PR.”
I am simply ignoring it because it confuses the issue. Slickness of lies do not keep them from being lies. When you are admonished not to follow the rules of liars, perhaps you should begin inspecting their fruits. “By their fruits you shall know them.”
Truth confers legitimacy.
ROFL. Best comment ever!
“Truth confers legitimacy.”
Then I find it somewhat ironic that you believe in the concept of God, an idea which is the greatest lie ever told.
The comments from KurtCagle & Messiancdruid are probably the highest forms of comedy I’ve ever encountered. Better than Little League Baseball.
Yes, your oppressors will lay down their arms and simply walk away by the force of your sheeeeeer
…logic
You really must try to get a message out to the U.S. Navy before you meet Lugwig Von Beethoven.
This comment puts a whole new spin on “This Ripe Moment”.
“Then I find it somewhat ironic that you believe in the concept of God, an idea which is the greatest lie ever told.”
Then you are no judge of legitimacy.
Sure, that’s how it SHOULD be. But it’s not how it IS.
It’s ironic that you should make that argument, since it is 100% the EXACT one I made, which started dying the day the stolen election of 2000 began to rub my nose in the harsh realities of life and humanity.
Truth confers legitimacy? The very notion that you could make this statement after watching all of the proofs in the last decade of the falsity of that claim (which, I say again, is how it should be) is willful ignorance bordering on delusion.
Sorry, but I have to call it like I see it.
From the phony runup to the Iraq Invasion to Obama’s obvious con-job and the hundreds of incidents in between, the idea that truth confers legitimacy has been discredited time and time again.
“By their fruits you should know them,” always worked sporadically (and only after the peasants had been force-fed many millions of bushels of figs born of thorns – LOL) even BEFORE Uncle Siggy and Nephew Eddie.
Nowadays, there probably aren’t a million people in the USA left who can pierce the wall of lies and notice that figs don’t come from thorns, if the RW Corporate Socialist authorities & media want them to believe otherwise.
When the Iran Invasion occurs for equally false, ginned-up reasons, that idea of truth conferring legitimacy will be disproved again.
I understand and respect your thinking. The very words you spaketh I spoketh for years and years and years.
In spite of that, you will continue to be blindsided because you simply refuse to acknowledge reality that is confirmed to the tenth decimal place over and over.
I understand your wish for reality to be other than it is. But wish in one hand, as the old saying goes, shit in the other and see which fills up first.
Of course, willful ignorance of reality is the foundation of the faith that, coincidentally, both God and sociopathic aristocrats desire from their subjects.
Sure it’s a coincidence…and I’m the King of Siam.
Anyway, good luck with that willful ignorance of reality’s ironclad imperatives.
I hope it makes you feel good and help you do good in your own small corner of the Earth. Because it will terminally hamper your ability to understand the world and even your own religious leadership.
Because of it, you’ll be down with the Fox Newsers and other Authoritarian Followers, the most clueless and the last to figure things out.
Sad, especially considering your ignoring of reality comes from a good heart and a desire for justice and peace in the world as per the words of that famous long-haired Hippie Socialist Jesus.
If you ever want to see a world where things are even remote close to how things should be, you first have to bear and acknowledge the uncomfortable truths of how things are.
IOW: You may not believe in Mass Psychology, advertising and PR, but Mass Psychology, advertising and PR believe in YOU.
KC and his sunshine band says “Global warming is bad, but ironically liveable – it will shift the population away from the equator and will likely result in coastal cities moving considerably inland, but these are relatively slow events. An ice age is considerably worse, as it makes much of the temperate zone (which has the largest aggregate land mass) uninhabitable.”
I think your views are quite conservative. Nah, its not happening this way. The way it will happen is suddenly and violently as the Earth’s climate shifts to a new equilibrium state.
The methane releases are already happening.
Coral bleaching has commenced.
The deforestation of the world’s forests have reached their critical stages. The northern boreal forests are being hit with warm-region plagues. The tropical rainforests have been mutilated severely and are now turning to desert.
I have read widely on the subject. I even have a copy of Climate Processes and Sensitivity, a collection of research edited by James Hansen. I am attached to an scientific academic institution.
If there is one thing I find regrettable it is the reticence of science and scientists in general to convey their findings in more emotive language. If there was a fire in a crowded theater and Stephen Hawking was the only witness, he’d appear outside and say, “Sirs, we have evidence that there will be an immanent increase in the ambient indoor temperature of the theater, on the order of 50-75 degrees centigrade (P>0.05).”
Sadly people are not moved by dispassionate analysis. Even worse is the situation in America with people’s confusion in comprehending the SI system of measurement.
What we need is someone who America considers rational and trustworthy, to grab the lapels of the nation, so to speak, and start screaming bloody murder.
Anyone who thinks CC and GW are going to be livable, survivable, or ameliorated by science are ignorant and/or delusional. Scientists, by the way, are frequently dispassionate. The field attracts a lot of people who are borderline or full-blown Asperger’s- people unable to communicate in an emotionally complete way.
Anyone whose sole information digest is the MSM is basically and fundamentally ignorant on the issue. Very, very few people grasp the reality here.
Take 8man/tegmark for example. Even as he purports a plan to “destroy nature” and eschews a wish for an industrial product to achieve as much, he fails to realize that the project is already underway and it is also functionally complete.
The industrial society is a machine which has been operating for a 100 years to achieve wild, mad dreams of subordinating nature. And its aims have been achieved. 8man is someone whose imagination is simply regurgitated perception. NASA is the massive ego project to employ millions of people. The modern military-industrial complex is the imaginary-money mass employer. He blames ‘Green Thugs’ for stopping genetic engineering of food crops- except GM food crops now account for more than 65% of global production, the ‘Green Thugs’ like Vandana Shiva and the handful of others having zero effect on its proliferation. Neither did ‘Green Thugs’ amount to much in stopping any of the planet’s pervasive environmental deterioration in the face of industrial, globalized trade. “Green Thugs” is therefore a Straw Man, and anyone to trafficks in Straw Man fallacies doesn’t have anything to do with philosophy or metaphysics- he is simply a bullshit artist.
Right now the corals are bleaching and aggressive algae is colonizing the remains. As the corals go their colorful inhabitants are made homeless, and vulnerable, and will be destroyed by hardier predators. The coral reefs took thousands and thousands of years to establish. They will be gone in 5 years. This is the slope. The slope does not indicate a navigable, piecemeal rate of change. It indicates massive and irreversible change in which all the environment’s “services” will no longer be available.
Canada pulled out of Kyoto, and USA will follow and it will collapse. We are a weak, stupid species, and our cultural legacy is a failure. If modern Americans had an ounce of the awareness of Americans 150 years ago, we might have a chance. But we are not those people. So I also doubt a return to a “world made by hand”. A James Lovelock / Jim Morrison scenario is what I predict. No one here gets out alive, and what you will desire the most in 30 years is clean underwear and a plate of insects to eat.
Says the guy who believes in a magic, all-powerful, invisible, man-in-the-sky.
Good points about desert cities but persons such as the author of “Rancho Costa Nada” who desire to live isolated and off of the grid there should be little difference between then and today. After all, they’re not relying on the “system” being high functioning. It would get considerably more challenging however were propane not available anywhere. Persons in rural areas currently are highly dependent on propane.
You missed a most important characteristic of the man in the sky. He is a LAW GIVER. And, buddy, his laws are to be OBEYED. He don’t mess around. He send your ass to burn in lakes of fire for eternity. So shape up, and look busy.
“Yes, your oppressors will lay down their arms and simply walk away by the force of your sheeeeeer…logic”
They are not my oppressors, they are yours. God raises up evil men when His people abandon Him. Its a form of chastisement to bring about your repentance {change of mind}. My mind was changed long ago.
If I do partake of any oppression I can lay it at the feet of the rebels, that believe, as a way of justifying their rebellion, that they may do as they wish, since their “leaders” appear to be doing what they wish, and its all just made up BS anyway. The problem with this is everything is falling apart right on schedule, exactly as foretold, even to the blindness of God’s people to see what is happening.
Jacob’s Trouble has been long in preparation, but we get a front row seat.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Yours in white-bready pallid blue-whiteness,
Stephen King
“Nowadays, there probably aren’t a million people in the USA left who can pierce the wall of lies and notice that figs don’t come from thorns, if the RW Corporate Socialist authorities & media want them to believe otherwise.”
That’s one in about 330. I put the ratio more towards one in a million. You make your statement with the firm conviction that you are one of the *seers*. I can only hope.
If its not the truth, its not God’s Word.
Oh, PUH-LEEZE! Talk about willfully ignoring reality.
Medieval Europe was one of the most faithful times in human history. Everyone believed in God and everyone went to church.
It was also one of the most cruel, brutal, barcbaric and unjust times in all history.
Not only did legions of evil men rise up in the there and then, they ruled endlessly and absolutely.
Talk about willful ignorance! Sheesh! (slaps forehead)
“Well come on over and cup your hands and I’ll download all the informtion you desire.” -dale-
OK – I think I’ll send Absalom, though.
He’s more into that particular kink.
And, do you want basic molecular and genetic analysis, or a complete human clone?
Be sure to have his nursery ready, if you choose the clone.
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Did you know that they named Dolly the sheep, for Dolly Parton? Because Dolly the sheep was cloned from a somatic cell from a mammary gland. And the cloning guys in Scotland thought Dolly Parton had the best mammary glands they had ever seen.
Seriously. You can not make stuff like this up.
Dale, based on this,what WILL we name your clone?
I really hate to quote myself, but, in the face of so many people that have yet to accept their mortality: “Do they bleed? Then they’re not special.”
Dee, almost all women despise men who make less money than they do so don’t feel bad. You are just typical. You said what you said and you are revealed as what you are.
Your hate filled mentality is what lead to the Soviet Gulags. I believe the White Race deserves to survive therefore I deserve to die. Any one believes as I do is a criminal according to you. And women did serve as inquisitors in the Gulags, a job you would truly love.
“Tiny, precious, Dale-clone babe in swaddling, we dub thee: “Scheisskopf the First”! Hurrah, let there be feasting and merry-making!”
OK. Here’s my vision of Hell. It’s post apocalypse, and the only human I’ve found alive is Vlad. And he’s barely alive, so, I have to take care of him. He’s a human being, ya fucks, whaddaya think I’m gonna do? Unfortunately, his brain has been severely damaged and all that he can remember are quotes from Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn.
Hellish.
(Lo, the blazing glory; Our cup-ped hands runneth over!)
LOL!
Zzzziiiiiing!
There you are. I wuz hopin’ that you had some of those secret videos of Joe Cocker kickin’ Leon Russell’s ass….
Your thinking processes are like those Russian dolls that come enclosed one inside the other. And when you get to the last one, there’s nothing inside (maybe a Tic-Tac). Please tell us all the secrets that you know which God hasn’t seen fit to reveal to the rest of us. Why the mystery? For some reason, he only talks to certain people (most likely those with a tendency towards schizophrenia).
Oh, there’s an Apocalypse on the way? You don’t say? Is that your brilliant, unorthodox contribution to the discussion? How original. I haven’t heard that one before. The end is near. I need my crappy life to end, so that I may ascend to heaven where me and Jesus will play harp duets. *yawn*
And then we get more garbage about how we have all strayed from God’s Way and are being punished. Well, in your system, wasn’t it God who designed us? So he built rebellion and disobedience to his will into our brains. If he didn’t want us to rebel, why make it a possibility? Dare we insult him by not exercising these faculties?
You want desperately to be part of some inner circle that supposedly knows what’s going on, because then you can place yourself above everyone, an enlightened being. But it is all poppycock. You’re just a barely evolved monkey like the rest of us, and not a particularly bright or distinguished one. You just make it up as you go along. Religion provides a self-esteem boost for average, clueless shlubs. And you’re exhibit A.
The Doomer Humor Machine is cranked up right ‘n’ tight t’night!
…And the CFN Clown Car [tm HC1863] has just rocketed off the ridge road, scattering clowns all over the side o’ thet thar mountain.
There is such a thing as a Righteous King. To believe differently is Marxist Cant.
I’m glad you find me and not Absalom or Dee. One can only shudder at what those two might do.
Damnit! I know’d I shouldn’t have burned those in a drunken, blubbering simpatico-fest for Leon.
Sorry, X, lost and gone forever; dreadful sorrow, etc., etc…
Were copies made?
But, hey, minus the witch burnings, floggings, suppression of science and basic medicine, religious civil wars, crusades, pogroms, persecutions, promulgation of complete lies, torture, Inquisition, banging of altar boys, justification for wars and genocides, instilling of needless guilt, excommunications, and magical hocus-pocus thinking, Christianity isn’t all that bad.
It makes people feel better about themselves. Like I believe I’m the Queen of Egypt, and it makes me feel great. Who are you to judge?
The candle burned out long before
The legend ever did
Bernie Taupin
I love it! i love u! U are the funniest clown of all!
“Medieval Europe was one of the most faithful times in human history. Everyone believed in God and everyone went to church.”
Can’t you understand the difference between religious and lawful {ie: being able or willing to follow simple instruction}? They were faithful to a man-made religion, not faithful to God’s Word. They hated it, suppressed it, changed it, discredited it and ignored it whenever they could.
Belief is not just mental assent. The words for belief and obey are the same words in Hebrew. People fool themselves when they refuse {or fail to obey God and still insist that they believe God.
You guys want to blame God for everything the religionists do without acknowledging that they are performing their own doctrines and commandments instead of God’s. The very scriptures that they pretend to be following condemn their actions. So how can anyone believe these writings are theirs?
JUST HAVE A PEEK AT THIS BUCKSTER:
A PEEP INTO THE MIND OF THE ZIONIST LEFT,
WITH CULTURAL RELATIVISM [ MOCK ISLAM, WELL KILL YOU =]
My Problem With Tim Tebow
Monday, December 12, 2011
Rabbi Joshua Hammerman
Jewish Week Online Columnist
I’ve got a Tim Tebow problem.
I want to root for the guy, but I’m afraid of what will happen if the hulky Denver Bronco quarterback continues to pull off what is fast becoming the Greatest Gridiron Story Ever Told.
Tebow’s sanctimonious God-talk has led even pious peers like Kurt Warner to suggest that he cool it. Joseph could have used the same coaching.
If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants. While America has become more inclusive since Jerry Falwell’s first political forays, a Tebow triumph could set those efforts back considerably.
Little of this insanity, mind you, has to do with Tebow himself.
Will legions of Southern Baptist missionaries hit the college campuses the very next day, spreading this new gospel of Tim? Already there is a
‘Jews For Tebow’ Facebook page.
“…Christianity isn’t all that bad.”
Churchianity is not christianity. You have never witnessed christianity, or you certainly wouldn’t be so obtuse.
China last week refused to pay [in credits?]
for flying over Eurabia.
“Dare we insult him by not exercising these faculties?”
If you are called to exercise them, do so. It shows you need to learn a lesson, the hard way. Some of us don’t get it until its in the rear-view mirror. I know I didn’t.
And you can drop the crap about me setting myself over anyone. I’m not applying for the job. As a confessed sinner {1John 3:4} which is part of becoming whatever it is we are becoming, I can only tell you what God has shown me. If you are not interested, fine.
I don’t blame God, because that entity is fictitious. It would be like blaming Santa Claus for the commercialization of Christmas.
Interesting stuff, HC. I’m going to have to take a couple of runs at it to get it all addressed.
Here was my original question:
“Hey Hancock1863! Hancock! What do you think of Metuselah’s use of the Vatican as the driver of the Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory – that we are looking for?”
You did give a long answer, but it split off into three directions – but if we boiled your answer down into one word it would have been, “Maybe?”
And the question mark is deliberate, on my part.
And look, dude, you were the first person on CFN to get me seriously thinking that there might be something to your “Lizard Overlords,” as I think you were calling them in those days – as directors of a massive conspiracy.
I’ve got a science background, I’ve got a big left brain – don’t go telling me there’s a conspiracy and then tell me not to talk to those who purport to speak for the principals involved on CFN.
Metuselah is one such spokesperson. I don’t think he’s tormenting the thread (and me?) for entertainment purposes. I’m very sure that he BELIEVES every single thing he says about the Vatican.
And honestly, he’s got to be correct, up to some certain – even some fairly extreme – point.
Of course the Vatican is a conspiracy.
Of course the Vatican wants the Catholic Church to be the “Universal” Church, and to totally dominant the hearts, minds, bodies, and Eternal Souls of every single human on the Planet. DUH!
Of COURSE the Catholic Church is 100% in favor of immigration of as MANY people as possible into the United States. If most of them are Catholic, that’s just icing on the cake for them. Of course the Catholic Church wants to destroy the secular culture of the United States. Again, DUH!
And of course, the Catholic Church has a great fall back position, if they succeed in all their mayhem, destroy the United States, and leave 10 billion people living in absolute Hell on Earth.
Hey – It was God’s Will all along!
Send in the Saints to clean up!
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You can pick any other large bureaucracy, from the Catholic Church, to the any large Military*, to the US Democratic Party – and you will find similar tendencies to maximize their power, their footprint, and their damage. (except the Army and the Democrats don’t like to invoke God’s will. Plus the military uses soldiers instead of Saints, to bat clean-up)
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Where Met goes to far, as you say, is when he uses the Vatican to make Israel completely Innocent and the Vatican completely responsible, leading to – – “a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations.” (HC)
Well said HC, and that is where it always turns Authoritarian, with any lie – or maybe even any pedestrian human truth – carried to a far enough extreme.
Long post. More later.
*Interesting that that Iranian nuclear engineer was killed, just today. Somebody did it. On purpose. Wasn’t me.
Tim….who?
“I don’t blame God, because that entity is fictitious.”
Well, don’t blame me either. I’ve got enough sense to see that people don’t write books condemning their own teachings.
“Like I believe I’m the Queen of Egypt, and it makes me feel great. Who are you to judge?”
Until you rely on your authority as the Queen to inflict witch burnings, floggings, suppression of science and basic medicine, religious civil wars, crusades, pogroms, persecutions, promulgation of complete lies, torture, Inquisition, banging of altar boys, justification for wars and genocides, instilling of needless guilt, excommunications, and magical hocus-pocus thinking, no discernment is needed. When you try to justify these things by appealing to usurped authority I am obligated to exercise righteous judgement and expose you.
Xhalor, Yes I agree. Football watchings not for me
but I didnt bring up his name.
Meanwhile in the Sharazation of our Nation:
‘ Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat’
[From Zenster]:
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States — Muslim 0.6%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France — Muslim 8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in: India — Muslim 13.4%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia — Muslim 40%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non- believers of all other religions (including non- conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Egypt — Muslim 90%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-al-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only “Word”, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
Glad to see you’re back posting Anti Soak; you held out longer than most of us 🙂
” Little of this insanity, mind you, has to do with Tebow himself”
I disagree with this statement. It was Tebow the heralded collegiate player who made a religious statement with his anti- abortion commercial that aired a few years ago at the Super Bowl. I don’t like him and I don’t trust his phony Christian brethren.
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In all seriousness, what makes you believe so strongly in this magical being that you call God? Where’s the evidence? Or are you just believing something handed down to you? Do you really think voices or visions that visit you are from external beings? Perhaps your mind is just playing tricks on you (it happens). Personal revelations don’t count, because other people can’t observe them. Reality is determined by consensus and observed sense experiences, whether directly or indirectly. That’s why if you told me that you saw some elves and unicorns, I’d ask, “Cool. Can you show them to me?” Reasonable request, no? I’d want to see these magical creatures if you claimed they existed and could see them and that they whispered sweet nothings into your ear. So, similarly, where’s your God?
In all cases where it was first asserted that the divine was a primary cause, this was shown through more careful inquiry to not be the case. I call it the Amazing Shrinking God effect. Where ever you look, there he isn’t.
Lightning was Zeus battling the giants. Oh, no, wait it is actually just electricity jumping from the clouds to the ground.
The mind and consciousness were due to God giving us a soul. Hold on, it is actually just the result of an advanced and evolved nervous system.
God conjured human’s out of thin air in his image. Sorry, wait, we’re actually descended from monkeys via evolutionary processes.
Those funny voices in your head were angels and demons and Gods sending messages. Actually, that’s just the background chatter of the mind (a very noisy place).
etc.
I could go on and on and on and on along these lines (I have before!), but you get the point. Religion = pretty much always wrong about everything having to do with actual reality. That’s because their method of arriving at the truth is all wrong. They don’t start from first principles, which are to assume that you know nothing about the subject and go from there. All interpretation is instead colored by the baggage of doctrine and faith, that are, a priori, considered infallible. Well, sorry, but that’s just a fucked up way to try and interpret the world around you, not to mention incredibly arrogant and small-minded. How can you possibly arrive at the truth about anything if you assume that you already know it to begin with?! Why even bother?
Well, I do dig some of the moral imperatives that have helped hold society together (kinda sorta), but those can fit on a matchbook. What’s all the rest? Fear, uncertainty, lies, and doubt. And, I notice, Christians and other religious types haven’t been particularly good at following their own commandments over the years. Some of the worst behavior imaginable is justified by religious thought and only that. I’ve never heard of a suicide bomber that didn’t believe he was getting a B-line straight to the heavenly temple after the immolation.
You have not a leg to stand on, because the thousands of legs people like you have put out there over the years (grown?) have been cut out from under you by (oh gosh golly gee) actual, observed truths. I can smack you repeatedly in the face with all these severed legs, but somehow you just keeps on believing.
‘I don’t like him and I don’t trust his phony Christian brethren.’
Fine, Alls well and good.
[With his history how could he be Pro Abortion?]
Whats his salary? [just wondering].
It’s called a Matryoshka doll.
Turkle, I’m not calling you out personally. But, as an atheist, it’s pretty easy for me. It goes something like this:
Justify the suffering, motherfucker.
Still on for NYC, NO GUNS, lotsa booze.
Your Friend,
Satan
I’m not much of a fan of astrology, but what a hoot when Christian start invoking science to discredit astrology:
“A pre-scientific view of the world. Astrology continues to accept the mistaken astronomical views of the ancient world. They have not kept up with the latest discoveries in astronomy regarding new stars or planets that would ultimately re-order their delineation.”
LOL – you can’t make this stuff up:
http://christianinformation.org/article.asp?artID=99
I can’t even understand half the stuff you spew out on here, because of your circular and confusing way of interpreting what is and isn’t a valid or legitimate expression of religion. When I name actual, amoral acts that self-confessedly religious people have committed in the name of their sky gods, you claim they are not truly representative and are not following the spirit of religious thought. Well, what else have I got to work with aside from what people actually do in the name of their philosophies and religions? That’s like saying, hey, Naziism wasn’t all that bad a philosophy, but the damn Nazis ruined it.
Religion itself being a nonsensical worldview, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that its adherents are given to worldly nonsense, like persecuting non-believers, disbelief in basic science, blowing themselves up so they ascend to the right hand of Allah or some such, or justifying amoral acts like killing abortion doctors. Funny thing (or weird actually) how the religious contingent overlaps with those who were for the Iraq War and are for the death penalty (but against abortion….go figure). Is this another case of “Do as I say, not as I do.”?
I’d also knock the ball back to your court. By what authority do YOU think that you can tell people whether or not they are true believers or not? If you don’t even believe in the basic methods of arriving at truth, how can you then turn around and accuse others of being off the true path? Shouldn’t their word be enough, given that I’m supposed to believe all your nonsense, just cuz you sez so?
I call your method of argument “moving the goal posts.” I go to kick a field goal based on the posts you deployed, and you move the target while I’m in mid-kick.
I discuss and interpret those institutions and people that identify themselves as Christian. That’s Christianity to me. Pretty simple. You, on the other hand, redefine the term on your own whim. The Christian church? Not actually Christian. Anyone who does anything that you don’t personally like in the name of Christianity? Not Christian either.
Are you actually the only true Christian kicking around these days druid? And, if so, how weird that you call yourself a druid, which is a pre-Christian, pagan priest. Are you actually just trying to confuse and fluster me?
Why do I even bother arguing with you? I really have no idea, actually. Maybe I hope that you will someday “see the light.”
“If there is a grand unifying aspect, it’s probably something as pedestrian as wealth, power, sociopathy and ruthless disregard for other “inferior” humans” -Hancock-
That’s it! Hancock, that’s a conspiracy most anyone should be able to believe. And it hasn’t always been operative. The US had complete physical and spiritual hegemony over everybody but the Russians, at the end of WWII, but gave it all up with the Marshall Plan.
“If their is any unifying racial aspect of it, it’s probably White European” -hancock-
HAH! That’s the one thing it is NOT, HC. That leads us to the slippery and politically correct conclusion that exporting any sort of birth control to third world countries is racist. Similarly, it’s “racist” NOT to pack the United States as full as possible prior to collapse – so that we can enjoy a mass die-off, along with the rest of the world.
Can’t have the US as a “life-boat,” now can we?
Sorry, I’ve come full circle. Our aristocratic overlords are so stupid that they don’t believe in collapse and they don’t believe in die-off.
They want the country full to maximize their economic advantage – and that’s about how far-sighted the best of the RWA’s actually is.
They are not, for the most part, stocking caves with ammo, seeds, servants, and gardeners. They are “investing” their wealth on Manhattan and Dubai real estate, the stock market, and those verdamned Collaterized Debt Obligations – along with many other pieces of paper and digital equivalents that they think represent “wealth.”
Hopeless and stupid, hopeless and stupid.
All of us, to be so poorly led – into such a perilous age.
I can only tell you what God has shown me. If you are not interested, fine.
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Don’t believe him, Turkle. It is not fine. Them burning lakes of fire await. You have no choice but to submit to God’s will. And you can’t fake it, because God is a super-snoop who will look right into your heart and know your true motivation. The game is rigged. There is no escape. You must obey God’s laws, read God’s Word, love God’s Son, etc. ad nauseum, per secula seculorum, amen. What a dualistic book-based middle eastern exoteric religion! (there’s at least three to choose from)
This is how ignorant American barbarians act:
Semper Fi! Semper Barbarian!
Never stood over the bodies of people who a few moments earlier were trying to kill you, huh? You’ll find that you don’t much care WHO they were or WHAT the fuck they believed. AND, until you have, please DO NOT try to tell me what it’s like.
I consciously chose not to become a war criminal. I’ve never illegally invaded and occupied a country which represented no threat to the USA.
Good. You didn’t take the bait. No one likes a wishy-washy anything. Be a Christian. Go all the way. Pay attention to the philosophy and not the rhetoric.
“That’s Christianity to me.”
Well how does it feel to be wrong? Just because you believe “amoral acts that self-confessedly religious people have committed in the name of their sky gods” is true christianity does not make it any more so than the same religionists themselves believing it makes it so. Your believing and calling yourself the Queen of Egypt, and even convincing others to believe and call you the Queen of Egypt, does not make it so.
“You claim they are not truly representative and are not following the spirit of religious thought.”
No. I am saying they DO represent the spirit of religious thought. The spirit of religious thought is not God’s spirit, but a deceptive [deceived} spirit, that allows people to believe they can live in sin {lawlessness} and still receive God’s blessings. Many false {lieing} spirits have gone out into the world. We must *try* the spirits to see whether they be from God or are imposters. IOW, if you can see that they are producing, promoting and reveling in iniquity, then it follows that they are not serving God but their own lusts.
“And some people depend on medicine to keep them alive. As I said, if they die, it’s because they were sick, so it won’t seem that strange. It’s just that they could have been kept alive.”
-wagelaborer-
Wage, stick with me for a second while I walk out on a “slippery slope.” Hold me tight, womanfrien’!
I know you have “frequent fliers” come into your hospital all the time. They feel bad, they smell bad, they look bad. Only thing is, and RippedThunder will probably back me up on this, many of them look a whole lot worse pretty quickly after they get back home. Uncontrolled diabetics snacking on sugar cookies as their main meal of the day. Beneficiaries of by-pass surgery whose only aerobic exercise is moving from their government-supplied Rascal Scooter to their government-supplied hospital bed and picking up the remote control for the night.
I don’t know how it happened. 25 years ago, things like this were uncommon. Now it’s epidemic. We’ve got huge numbers of people who have a quality of life that approaches zero, then falls below. And NONE of these people would be alive for more than a month or two without modern medicine.
And you can’t make any of the medical assistance, or the Rascals, or the recurrent free ambulance rides to the hospital – even remotely contingent on these patients taking ANY responsibility for their own health and well being.
OK – that’s far enough onto the slope for right now. Pull me back in.
But, if something can’t go on forever –
It won’t.
Leon Trotsky once said to a young man that while you may not be interested in the war, the war is interested in you.
Leon Trotsky was a confirmed liar.
I give up. You just don’t fucking get it.
Tell ya what. Life’s too short. If your ass is on this blog, mine ain’t. Later mofos……
xhalor
A new ice age vs anthropogenic global warming –
Turkle, despite his faults as a man who raises Atheism to High Religion – get’s his climate science correct, in my opinion. (So does BustinJ, with a nice overlay of hyperbolic systems collapse, leading to death of everything but bacteria and simple fungi.)
So, I’ve got nothing I’ll add to their science. But I’ll give a practical referent – as to what the human species is doing right now on planet Earth.
We are on schedule to finish burning, in the next 50 years or so, fossilized carbon deposits that represent immense eons of geologic carbon dioxide capture. We are altering the gaseous atmospheric balance irrevocably.
Beyond that, we’re burning substances that might have incredible, unknown value to our progeny – if any of our progeny survive long enough to appreciate this value.
Maybe the human species will luck into a soft landing between anthropogenic global warming, a staved off ice age, and the Second Coming.
But it will be pure blind luck.
“You’ve got to ask yourself one question.”
“Do I feel lucky?” -dirty harry-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0
OK – I think I’ve probably added enough to the world’s troubles, for one night.
Never underestimate clown power.
Pro C, Endemic? Are you kidding me? We have frequent fliers who use the ambulance and ER at least once a week. Can you say maybe $5000.00 per week for bullshit? probably more. I know people who the state is into for probably 250K a year for the past 20 years. They are still the same. Same as it ever was, Same as it ever was. Hey, I have had health problems in the past. I think health insurance is a godsend. If you add up my insurance/ health/ car/property/life . the insurance companies have made a fortune off of me!
Hello Clusterfuckers. Surely I’m off topic, but oh well. Just some thoughts on the election…
I can’t wait for Pink Slip Mitt — AKA Mr. “Corporations are people too, my friend” — to become our Supreme Leader. Really, if this guy ends up as president he can enforce with a Mormon zeal the fascist-leaning laws signed by the Bush and Obama administrations.
Mormons are law and order types who believe decisions should be made by important white men in private smoky rooms. Think I’m lying? If you’re a non-Mormon, try to visit one of their glorious churches (like you would, say, a nice Catholic church). See if you can get inside — or at least inside the gates. I dare you.
I’m an agnostic, but I still think there are plenty of reasons to worry about a cult getting its clutches near the presidency. Read about what the Mormons did to Howard Hughes for some insight.
Relax, cowswithguns, a large percentage of evangelical Christians will never vote for a Mormon, splitting the right-wing vote. Romney will never become president.
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
You sound just like those Comrades who wave away Stalin’s and Mao’s monstrous atrocities by saying, “Well, that wasn’t really Communism.”
I call bullshit on them and bullshit on you.
Not much else to say to such nonsense. It’s a five year old’s excuse after Mom told him not to take a cookie out of the cookie jar, but he found the bag of cookies and got one from it.
When Mom caught him eating it, he whined, “But I didn’t take it from the cookie jar. I did what you said!”
Romans 13:2 says that people who don’t believe in Jesus deserve what they get.
In Timothy and 1 Peter (I don’t have the citations readily available – the Peter reference may be in 2 Peter) it says that all authority is put in position by God, so therefore all good Christians should obey any designated authority.
So, God says that the Germans did the right thing in obeying the Nazis…and the monstrous murderous King Henry VIII.
God also says, “Slaves obey thy Masters,” so he surely approves of slavery.
I must confess to getting a bit pissed off at such infantile bullshit and a mega-cop out from you. I am glad turkle is raking you over the hot coals.
Authoritarian Followers make me sick. I’m afraid their can be no doubt that you are one, lock, stock and barrel.
Back to the pay no mind/waste of time list…where you eminently belong.
You never know. A lot of people weren’t supposed to vote for a black man. But Obama somehow became president. Obama faces some major structural issues with the economy and any slip up in the recovery could easily usher in a guy like Romney.
To many evangelicals, Romney is the same (Massachusetts liberal) as Obama, and evangelicals did not vote for Obama.
I’d go so far as to lay down $100 on Obama right now.
And yet there are dark horses:
Gary Johnson: Ted Turner Is Shutting Me Out Of The Debates: http://youtu.be/LvZ3rNMsr-M
Gary Johnson is a young intelligent libertarian alternative to the ancient, torpid, ideologue Paul.
But the effect of a third party would be the same: splits the right-wind vote and sinks the Republican candidate.
Indeed you wouldn’t be able to go inside a Mormon Temple. But trust me, as one who grew up in the Mormon church, with ancestors that crossed the plains with Brigham Young, I can tell you that if you went inside the temple in disguise you would be bored and want to escape.
You would not be impressed with the interior decoration. No great art treasures. Lots of Mason-esque handshakes and stuff. Yawn.
Lots of quirky dogma, just like every other religion. Ya gotta admit, it’s a uniquely American religion. But Mormons make good neighbors. Helpful and kind.
I voted for Obama in 2004. I am not happy. I could vote for Huntsman. But I might note vote at all.
…so wait a minute…are you saying that wasn t santa?! then who ate the damned cookies? and if the man in the moon doesn t have any fuckin’ green cheese to eat, then what the hell did the cow say to the easter bunny?
You called me clown. Be very glad that you are not standing in front of me right now. What I am going to do is tell as many vets as I can reach to BOYCOTT THIS SITE. This will undoubtedly not get posted. No matter. I’m gonna do it anyway. Happy now asshole?
Warn all war criminals to stay away:
http://bit.ly/zjfLlU
Semper Fi!
….or maybe I’ll have them come here. You’ll get to meet all those Marines and Army Rangers and the men and women in the Air Force and the Navy that you like to make fun of in the safety of the virtual world. Unless, you would like to make fun of them face to face. Hmmmmm?
Nothing. That’s what I thought.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
What if the Green Thugs are Right ?
Here’s the deal: so lets imagine that the green, resource scarcity myth thugs are correct, oil is running out, finished, food is running out, we are at least 6 billion too many people that should just get lost in space, nature is suffering (and god will punish us for this, their god of “nature”, since theirs is a pure religion even though they don’t notice this), consumerism is bad, TV is bad, cars are bad, etc. So what would be the “natural” solution to all of this ? well you would have to simply stop the economy, stop all manufacturing, all endeavors, but especially, more than anything else, by golly give out scott free handouts, free salaries and a cheap rent to at least make people survive, keep them still, don’t let them go out and use cars and work and buy stuff, etc. But the green thugs (who are way more reactionary and right wing than the capitalists who at least create consumerism and products, they just want everyone to starve to death) also say “you can’t give out free lunches, free rides, free money, free handouts”, etc. you have “to work hard for it” (always punishment mode ideology, in fact their model is everyone working the land with their bare hands and starving to death anyways like in rural China, Africa and India where the poor there can hardly wait to work in the manufacturing sweatshops 12 hours a day for a hundred dollars a month, go figure how wonderful “working the land” and “being close to nature must be”!).
Obviously their ideology and mode of thinking and operating, their politics simply brings everyone against everyone else, brings people to hate on each other (in fact they love to say that there are too many people, the population explosion (which by the way is no longer even true, population is barely growing anymore, we now have negative population growth in scores of countries)) since you can’t have work, since any work punishes nature, but at the same time you can’t have free salaries because this is “morally and ethically incorrect” (nature doesn’t like free salaries, you have to “work hard for it”).
If they were logical at all, the very first thing they would always ask for is free salaries and cheap rents, and park people in front of TVs all day so they don’t use up resources (oh, but even Electricity is bad, shut down all the energy production).
But even if they are right, technology has all the solutions, free salaries, disconnect brains from bodies and put them inside TVs so they have an automatic life, or just kill off a few billions, we can live with the bare minimum in every way by not eating and just getting fed by tubes, you get the idea.
But what they really want or what their ideology really implies is that people have to struggle against each other, fight against each other, a war of all against all in the name of protecting “Nature” that huge motherph*k*r that should be instead beaten to death, that should be modified extremely (what fake food ? we need fake brains and minds, self manipulating brains and minds, self manipulating neural circuits that completely change instantly, we become another person and life and experience in a jiffy by just changing all the bits in our minds, etc. extremely manipulated brains, etc.), we should invent completely new atom types, forms of matter, we should live in the most artificial and fake world we can possible build, beat the crap out of nature, split the Sun, huge monolithic slabs of pleasurium (only pleasure for every entity in the slab, etc.). Hate the greens, sustainability, resource scarcity scaredy cats with all of your guts.
They say parkinsons disease is bad, you lose your memories, etc. Actually we need to lose all of our memories, that is the solution, not the problem, we don’t have to wait for universe size brains where our memories fall off the edge of the observable universe and into a void and we finally become free of our past, we can create mechanisms and drugs and circuits that erase all our past and substitute it with anything we want in a jiffy. In short, we must save ourselves from ourselves. We are our only enemy, therefore kill ourselves to save oursleves from ourselves.
Hey krswst (always maternal mode ?) you are a lady therefore a slut. Do you ph*k alot ? do you pl*y with yourself alot ? why did you do that to me ? why did you punish me like that ? I get angry and envious, please stop killing me, stop punishing me, your pleasure is my pain, as in painium, please mommy kill me, get me out of my misery as I am an old nigger, old impotent man while all those sluts enjoy pleasure and beat me up like this… I am so envious and jealous with rage, hysterical (and why should a chunk of matter be envious of another chunk of matter ?) it is a miracle that I am still alive, I should have been dead a long time ago, I am doing overtime, go figure. Hey vlad, get yourself a black dildo old ugly queer (probably jewish too) nigger, you will never have a handsome young black boyfriend faggot, queer. I am an old sad, sad man (who maybe read too many books or thought too much), with an ever bigger hole in his heart, hate me with all of your guts, I use the internet to vomit my information BS into this worldwide cesspool, this worldwide arena of broken dreams and failed entities, worldwide arena for self psychoanalysis, everything is always a failure, a loss. Everything we do is an attempt to win, if even just barely, or imagine and think we are winning something, but it is all destined to fail, all losers and failures vomiting on the internet.
Just like the earth is a ball of matter that pl*yed with itself and created a mind, created you that is reading, how can a subset be aware of the set that created it ? how can a set create a subset that observes itself ?
But all of the above is 100 % wrong, it is all a troll! ha, ha the joke is on me, ha ha the joke is on you ! All I wrote is 100 % wrong, it is totally unrelated to what I wanted to say, I didn’t say any of that, I lied, I didn’t want to say anything at all, someone else wrote all of that BS in place of me (unresolved internal conflicts ?), what I wanted to say has nothing at all to do with what I said, it is 100 % wrong, I am 100 % right and totally wrong, all of my blocks of text are pure total contradiction, ignore them throw it all away, be crazy, insane, deceive, BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST….
AN EGGMAN
Every moment is a completely different universe, is completely different, could be the exact opposite of what you expect, every moment, every 10 ^ -30 seconds there is a new configuration of matter which means that we are in a completely new universe, a 100 % completely new big bang has occurred, all the rules have change, all your old memories never were, that world never was, all the old neural circuits that you have programmed could react in completely undefined and totally, 100 % unpredictable ways. There is no stability, zero stability, therefore no external world, no world at all, only some vague expectations that could be totally contradicted, you could be totally surprised by how everything (your ideas, desires, values, what you liked or didn’t (substituted now ? you were a green now you are pro machines ? you loved vlad now you hate him ?) emotions, old reactions that no longer follow the old rules, whatever) is changed, 100 % changed, by just changing one bit of the configuration of the entire universe, everything is 100 % changed, you are 100 % changed, and the next moment changed back to where you were or what you were, but maybe to another thing totally different, and so on….
The mind brain is constantly changing every picosecond, every neural circuit and memory and imagined stability is just being copied all over again, with slight differences, making slight “mistakes” but exactly because there are slight mistakes does everything change in a jiffy in our mind. We are not defined, stable, an individual, we are a constant process going nowhere, unpredictable. We have no identity. We must save ourselves from ourselves, I must save myself from myself.
But all of the above is trash, wrong, throw it away, I wanted to say something 1000 % different from what I said, it is all false, don’t pay attention, make mistakes, get it all wrong, put words in my mouth, make a mess, be wrong.
THE APE
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All of the permutations of possible concept: how does a chunk of matter imagine to know or think to know what another chunk of matter thinks about him or how he is judged ? and if the chunk makes mistakes in the judgment, or has a partial cue of information upon which to make judgment ? and what if the reciprocal chunks of matter are always wrong, as in “Our Minds are Always Wrong no Matter What”, and always guess wrong, reciprocally wrong forever, always guessing the wrong slot, but never being aware of it like when two friends get lost in a large department store and never find each other again because they will forever go in the wrong aisle, synchronized in mismatch, always making the wrong turn forever, and the mistake goes on forever, but they are unaware of it, hence they conclude that the friend “went away”, but is still there. Another example of a limit to an Observable Universe, always perfectly synchronized mismatch.
And if the minds judging each other are always wrong about what the other mind is judging (although there is no easy way to find out (no need to find out, it will always be wrong by definition, from the outset) as all comparisons and measurements are always wrong since they depend on other wrong and fake and deceiving measurements (on other minds ?), as all is a right out lie), and if they both deceive each other by not only lying to each other, but especially, each mind lying to itself and forgetting the judgment it just made, and making mistakes forever, forever mismatched judgments of minds within itself and amongst themselves. But judgments are all a lie anyways, are always fake, are always a mistake, don’t even exist, as in the other mind doesn’t even exist, as the other mind is always an imagined entity (until it strikes back physically, like a punch in the face, but that was not that mind executing that will power, but the wind that threw a chunk of matter in your face) there are no other minds, not even your own, minds are just an infinite regression of lies to itself, forever lying to itself and lying to other minds, as in brainium, all entities are brains, hence minds, judging, lying and making mistakes. Perfectly synchronized mismatched reality structures…
The hole in my soul will just will get bigger and bigger, never to be filled, no matter how many cool sounding blocks of texts I write…
Who Sets the Controls at the heart of the Sun ?
On “Climate Change” : I hope it changes wildy and breaks everything up, this way man is finally punished by nature, but even more importantly we must pollute ever more, try to change it as fast as possible and on purpose just for fun, to punish man as a turd.
We need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship governed by Computers, make the computers do the thinking and the choices for the greater good of the Machine, as man is just an infinitely programmable machine that must abide to the program the Super Computer governing the thousands of trillions of people decided was necessary: funny how it is exactly what I decided, namely trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars, trillions of 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights, etc.
Man with his conflicts and will powers and the democratic process and greenies and scaredy cats is totally unreliable, only a Computer can and should decide, long live Big Brother in the form of the Computer deciding for all!
ON a side note, the technical governments in Italy, Greece, etc are the best governments those countries have ever had, they take the best ideas from left or right and apply them, that is the way to go, objectively, not totally subjective fights like all the other “democracies”…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
The reason why the greenies, tree huggers, environmentalists, sustainability thugs never talk about free salaries and free money to all and free super luxury McMansions to all is because most of them are rich spoiled brats, or at least middle class “high maintenance” thugs who have never had to think that millions need a house and a job therefore are forced to manipulate and “rape” the environment and nature. This also demonstrates clearly how they are extremely class based, against the working class, mostly reactionary right wing thugs disguised as Nature loving.
Little spoiled brats that never worked a day in their lives, that found this quaint hobby protecting that huge motherph*k*r that is nature and jumping on any accident, any “bad news”, anything the real productive manufacturers want to do to create jobs, against the suburbs and McMansions and cars when we need the entire planet covered with steel and cement and cars and skyscrapers and malls etc.
Spoiled brats, mommy’s little girlys (as most are ladies, go figure), this nice hobby, don’t build high speed trains, atomic energy plants and this and that, etc.
It’s the fault of the idiotic politicians who sent them there in the first place. Afghanistan=graveyard of Empires. Including of course the USA. We should have simply nuked their cities immediately after 9/11/2001, that is all two of them, after giving them advance warning to evacuate in say, 72 hours, vaporized the silly cocksuckers, then declared victory and gone back to ignoring them once again. Then after the stealth bombers vaporized Kandahar and Kabul they could have discharged the contents of their toilets’ holding tanks over the burnt out and smoking craters. If you have a problem with any of this then you’re simply too sensitive.
“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”
What if God ordained that, in America, we the people should be the higher power over our employees {and contractors} in the government? Would you like that arrangment? Is this not what America is/was about?
“Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.”
Now suppose we had a nation that actually believed ‘the people we allow to run things for us’ had to operate within the authority delegated to them and remain within the limits of the Constitution. When they strayed they would be recalled and returned to their community. Our failure as citizens must be acknowledged.
Here’s the chain of command:
God > Christ > We the People > government employees > contractors
What we are experiencing is a combination of the usurpers and infidels being caught in the trap they have made, and people who say “Lord, Lord” and do not the things which He says being chastised for their disobedience.
Selah.
Like when you want to remember something, anything, but you are never really sure (images, events, stories, or similar) not concepts and logic, those are easy since they are digital, abstract, symbolic, non existent, a ghost of a ghost. But images, they are impossible to remember, we always make up the memory, we just design a new memory, and so on. So then how do we know if it is true ? We don’t and will never know: every time we look at something, we see it (or do we ?) but just the moment after we can’t remember it ever exactly (or I can’t, or someone can’t or it can’t or whatever can’t, and are they all the same item or different items?), but exactly compared to what ? we can’t even compare it to know if it is true, we might as well just assign truth or a memory or what history was, even the digital parts after all are vague, a concept is not really a clear cut concept ever, nothing is clear cut, everything is a momentary invention, a momentary lapse of reason, if reason ever existed.
We can’t know or predict anything, or assign anything, not even after the fact, not even if it is history, not even if you look at it straight in the eye, no matter how precise, even after the facts (during the facts, no matter what flow of bits as sense organ inputs or thoughts or whatever your brain captures), not even if you know it, the laws of physics could have never guessed a sequence of events, not even themselves, not even god knows himself, not even the principle of non contradiction and the identity principle know themselves, even they are lost forever, false, they aren’t true or real not even after the fact, not even if the entire universe says yes it is true, no matter what, ever more limits, ever more impossibilities, go for it man, just do it. Not even knowing knows what “know” is ! knowing is shattered into a trillion bits and pieces, but as usually, this is all false and a contradiction, I really hope you don’t understand anything of it all (of what me, a jackass writes), the less you understand the closer you are to truth.
All of what I said is 100 % wrong, but not only wrong, wronger than wrong, not even unrelated, more than unrelated, more than 100 % disjoint, 1000 % disjoint, but not even this means what I mean, what I mean is infinitely beyond anything of what I mean which is crystal clear, as the sun, but it is all a joke, all false, a troll, joke on me, the joker…
TOBOR ATE MAN
“Unfortunately, his brain has been severely damaged …”
I thought is brain was already damages, don’t you mean ‘further damaged’
😉
geez…. I meant to add that by this time Vlad must be a member of the Vegitative State of the Month club. Not much going on up there but a couple hamsters left running around the old racist wheel….
Squeek-Squeek!
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Kurt, you are still overlooking the fact that without Nor Cal & Colorado river water, So Cal will revert to desert fast, and be unable to support the population at anywhere near the current level. In the end tho, SoCal & part of West Arizona may become some kind of autonomous region, able to support a small population.
Also, as far as the metizo population is concerned, well, Nor Mexico is also mostly desert, and if there is a Great Collapse, the population will probably also retreat to the south of Mexico.
In the long term, Mexico may decide to try to re-unite the old Spanish colonies by invading those countries to the south of them, perhaps with the idea of being able to control the Panama canal, which will still have strategic importance regarding shipping. However, Colombia may also want to control it, so Mexico may only get as far as Honduras or Nicaragua, which will no doubt resist Mexico’s attempts at empire.
Poor Costa Rica may have to dig out those old muskets and WW1 rifles and start an army after all. Wish us luck.
BTW: Did you know that until recently the most common ‘lawn mower’ here was still the machete?
Interesting ideas.
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“Our parental mass media has turned the nation into a simpering, preening group of baby pageant imbeciles.” -Buck S.
Now THAT, my man, is quite simply, a friggin’ classic!!
I already told you, Comrade Jesuit, that your communist-type lying and nonsensical rationales don’t work on thinking people.
Lie to yourself as much as you like. I understand that’s what you must do in order to make your own bullshit palatable to your own conscience.
How else could you gloss over the murderous inhumanity of Christianity and pretty much all organized religions, drivenby the widening chasm between their actions and their PR?
Thanks for once again proving how you Authoritarian types are the furthest from the truth and the last to figure things out.
That’s how your masters – wealthy sociopaths wearing God-masks, essentially, want you to be.
You are the perfect mark. What could possibly be a better outcome for confidence men that to have their suckers climb into their own coffins, and pull the door shut behind them with a smile on their face?
Yeah, sure…you’ll get Perfect Justice and Pie in the Sky after you die. And if not, why surely you can pop back up out of the coffin and tell everyone you’ve been swindled.
No wonder the human species is going extinct, and will die as we lived as a species, as masters and slaves, sociopaths and their sheep, confidence men and their marks.
“…almost all women despise men who make less money than they do …”
No Vlad, it has nothing to do with that, even tho you are a low income wage earner.
To paraphrase an old joke, your method of birth control is your personality, what little there is of that.
Even if you were a millionaire, you would probably still have to pay women to have sex with you, you would never have the same woman more than once, and they would probably still regret it afterwards, and go home to take very long, hot showers. They would probably also need counseling for awhile afterwards too.
Either that or you are a serial killler…
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Well now, here’s the relevance, the soldering of the connection to what JHK keeps yanking the rope of the alarm bell about.
He [and many, many others] are trying to explain (futilely, it seems) that it’s LONG past time to quit with the pretending, magical thinking, denial of realities, self-delusion, AND the bowing to those who do everything in their power to keep these paradigms in play.
Therefore, you can see why their faithful servants come to this site in hopes of disrupting conversations regarding looming, distasteful realities with liberal lashings of total bullshit (or just plain crazy crankiness and contention for its’ own sake). It’s not about “adding to the discussion with reasoned alternative ideas”. Those who think it IS are deluding themselves… which would be the whole point.
How many in the Clown Car are clad in camo and paid, housed, fed and clothed by the Ministry of Propaganda? Would you really put it past them? It’s a cheap and easy tactic, employing those whose lives are an example of a moral vacuum, and as you can see, people with ideas of actual value ARE driven away by the stinking flood of effluvia.
Soon you will witness another tactic straight out of the Rovian handbook; applying labels to others that belong firmly pasted onto themselves. Count on it as surely as night follows day.
Oops!
(What YOU said; turtle typist hyar.)
I am sorry to see that you are indeed running furiously in circles, ProgorCons.
Saying we cannot know the exact shape of the conspiracy is a far cry from saying it’s unlikely or impossible that there is one.
But you must ride the merry-go-round back to where you started, musn’t you?
Just because pedestrian factors unify authentic aristocratic conspiracies doesn’t mean conspiracies don’t exist. In fact, as has been stated before numerous times by numerous CFNers, criminal conspiracies rountinely take place among all classes of people. They are regularly prosecuted in courts around the nation and world every day.
It’s is only our natural human inclination to bow to authority, wealth and power that lets us tell ourselves the lie that this universal human truth is somehow absent in our 0.01% Aristocratic Overlords.
Oh, Prog. Running in circles is no way to get to any kind of destination.
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Hindsight and history shows pretty conclusively that the Marshall Plan was no act of charity, though naturally it worked and continues to work as great PR masquerading as such, as you just demonstrated.
The Marshall Plan was about restoring European colonial power so that it would be able to control and manage that transition of the billions of enslaved “inferiors” from the old-style brute force colonialism & resource extraction to the new, psychologically managed and “economic brute force” colonialism of the IMF, WTO and yes, international banking (which now pretty much rules the world as nation-states continue to bow lower daily in subservience).
THAT’S realpolitik. That’s the world we live in and a person simply cannot be too cynical about our vile aristocrats, mostly unchanged since, as JHK put it, the fops and strumpets of 1780s France, proclaimed Ben Franklin and freedom for the slaves of their ENEMIES, while simultaneously crushing their own enslaved peasantry beneath a barbarous wheel.
In other words: if the American Empire, successor in every way to the British Empire, had not rebuilt Europe so swiftly, the “wogs” might have shed their collars and chains to gain some actual freedom.
This simply could not be allowed by the Superiors, same in 1945 as it was in 1845, 1745, 1645, and so on…
More important than freedom to our aristocrats, is the Inferior Useless Eaters gaining access to the wealth generated by their own resources and to the resources themselves, which belong to the 0.01%, who chooses to dole them out to whichever henchpersons are the most useful idiots at the time.
The 21st Century American Peasantry are currently the most useful idiots to the 0.01%, but it’s obvious that won’t continue for a whole lot longer, in historical terms.
“Kurt, you are still overlooking the fact that without Nor Cal & Colorado river water, So Cal will revert to desert fast, and be unable to support the population at anywhere near the current level.” -DJ
Why is the very basis of Life so often left out of these futurist equations? Plus, think of what efforts would have to be expended to “secure” a remotely provided water source! (Look what it’s costing to nail down control of ME oil. EROEI, anyone?)
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“liberal lashings of total bullshit (or just plain crazy crankiness and contention for its’ own sake).”
-ozone, to turkle, concerning CFN posters-
Hold on, Ozone. Verily, thou dost vent, violent and vitriolic, against viable verities.
Let me put that another way – I’d rather head out into the Long Emergency with a Cranky Yankee (that’s you) and a Fluid Druid (that’s MD), than with other personages from the Clown Car.
You and I have battled Religion to a draw several times. That doesn’t mean I have changed my mind. It only means we have changed the subject.
At some point – a point reached more frequently by Turkle than by you, O3 – bashing religion and trying to convert CFN posters to Atheism, itself becomes counterproductive. If TLE is as close as you think, then you’re going to have to indulge a certain amount of “Magical Thinking,” in others, in hopes that they will extent what they consider to be the EXACT same consideration – to you.
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“How many in the Clown Car are clad in camo and paid, housed, fed and clothed by the Ministry of Propaganda?” -ozone-
I don’t know. Maybe none. Certainly not vlad – you don’t really think the US Propaganda Ministry would authorize “Racist” dialog, do you. No, they may authorize some heinous behavior, but they will never authorize Politically Incorrect thinking in public.
The one consistent block to dialog we’ve got on CFN is asoka. Look at how he just pissed off Xhalor last night – for no apparent reason except the pure Joy of F*cking up the Dialog. Ironic, since the place is already a ClusterFuck, huh?
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And X, I don’t know what to tell you about asoka., except he lives to create discord and hate.
And there’s always room for one Older Soldier (that’s you, X) in my plans for TLE.
And there’s no room at all for a Resident Impediment.
Hey CFT, When I talk to God it is called prayer, when God talks to me it is called Schizophrenia!
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
The term Mestizo has a very distinct social, rather than racial meaning. The Mestizo were the descendants of Spanish settlers in Europe who both attempted to conquer and ultimately intermarried with the indigenous American native tribes of the Southwest and Northern Mexico. Distinct culture, linguistic patterns, and shared history. Just as the Eastern and Western Hispanic populations are very different (Eastern population is a mix of Spanish, English, West Africans and Seminole).
Despite your comments, cultural history and antecedents are important, and I’m not trying to make any commentary about the relative merits or deficiencies of different socio-linguistic groups. I am Scots/Dutch/German/Flemish with a smattering of Algonquin, for what its worth, and my family settled in the Western Appalachians and the Midwest. My wife is a mix of Scots/English intermixed with French/Iroquois on one side (settling in Western New York and Eastern Canada) and Pacific Northwest Chinook on the other. While these origins don’t dictate our day to day actions, they do serve to define our identities, beliefs and values.
I think one of the biggest myths in the United States is that it’s a melting pot. It’s not. It’s only comparatively recently (within the last 60-70 years) that mobility reached a stage where people generally settled outside of fairly clearly established ethnic enclaves. In those places where such intermixing is high, the culture has generally benefited, but there’s a tendency for the earliest settlers to have a disproportionately high influence on later settlers and for people to prefer to settle in regions that have values closest to one’s own.
“How else could you gloss over the murderous inhumanity of Christianity and pretty much all organized religions, drivenby the widening chasm between their actions and their PR?”
Haven’t you been listening? I condemn the actions of ungodly men and hold them accountable before Almighty God for their wickedness and oppression. This certainly includes hypocrites and con men who use religion to hide their iniquity.
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I [ messianicdruid ] will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”
I mock the mockers and reprove the lawless.
“- you don’t really think the US Propaganda Ministry would authorize “Racist” dialog, do you. No, they may authorize some heinous behavior, but they will never authorize Politically Incorrect thinking in public.” -P2C
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And whyever not? If it’s abhorrent and drives people away, it’ll do. I really don’t see why that would be difficult to understand. (Dehumanizing “the enemy” in order to make them easier to kill is okay, but racist rants to offend and repel is beyond the pale? C’mon now.)
As far as the magical religion thang, I’m happy to leave those long forced-marches to Turkle.
For one last time, I have to take exception to calling atheism “a religion”. It ain’t. You may call Science “a religion” to be the antithesis of the sky-ghost religions, I’d suppose.
If I am to be executed for being a heretical “non-believer” by raving, gimlet-eyed, suicidal death-cult worshipers, then so be it. Shit happens, and you get lucky or you don’t. I’ll respect peoples right to their self-delusion if they’ll agree to keep it out of my face. But I’ll not bend a knee to such a foolish excuse for external control of my existence and labors. (Taxes that provide for the commonweal are one thing; sky-gods, quite another.)
Kurt, thank you for your comments. Good dialog.
You say: “I think one of the biggest myths in the United States is that it’s a melting pot.”
I agree. I think the United States more resembles a garden salad, and I like it that way.
“I am sorry to see that you are indeed running furiously in circles, ProgorCons.”
Nice post, HC, and a nice merry-go-round metaphor.
But you’re on a merry go round of your own. The US RWA’s, to continue the example, had complete and total control of the Whole Freakin’ Earth (WFE) in 1945. They could have rolled up the Russians in a couple of months. They would have had complete world domination. You don’t think the Gnomes of Zurich, London, or Paris had any RWA power at all in 1945, do you?
The RWA’s in the US did not have to do the Marshall Plan in hopes that it would slowly evolve to a PR plan to divest colonial control from the European powers (you put it a little better) – Hell no, Man! The RWA’s already HAD control – of the WFE.
“a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations.”
Hancock, that’s what you’ve got. No matter what events history throws at us, you spin them around your merry go round – to the point that the RWA’s foreordained the whole thing.
Which brings us, naturally, to the American Civil War. I can prove the benefits of a Divided Union to human freedom around the World. I can easily postulate that 50 (hah! we never would have gotten to 50) laboratories of democracy would have been superior to the one unified RWA world power that the US has become.
I can prove that the RWA’s HAD to win the American Civil War, otherwise they would have slowly lost power, through time, to the genuine will of the people.
You can postulate the opposite.
I can say a proof trumps a postulate. 😉
You sir, are also likely to be welcomed into my TLE plans. We’ll both need somebody with whom to argue honorably.
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BTW, before this website gets shut down by the Feds, or JHK?, I’ll share this, again.
I’ve got a relatively anonymous email address:
betterhotwater @ aol . com
Trolls, spammers, haters, and impediments will be ignored. And I’m very slow with responses – even to those who do not troll, spam, hate, or impede.
But it’s a way to find me.
MD,
I think [deep down] you know what is “right” and “wrong” regarding humankind and its’ relation to our common home. I believe you know these things whether they happen to be backed by various texts, or not.
(This is strictly an observation from other things you’ve offered; NOT a condemnation.)
Procon, you and I disagree about the Muslim atrocity re: Mansour. I condemn the Muslim who did that.
I also condemn the atrocity of US Marines snipers who murder Afghanis and then stand over the bodies and urinate on them while joking and laughing. That dishonors the US military and I condemn that also.
I cannot create hate and discord by reporting on the ignorant and barbarian behavior of US military forces. X had that hate in him already.
Anyone, like X, who justifies such behavior dishonors and disgraces the USA military. Besides being a violation of the USA Military Code of Justice, it also endangers other soldiers and civilians in theatre.
If you want to stand with X on this, that is your right. I will condemn such barbaric behavior, just as I condemn Muslim barbaric behavior.
I agree with you, Ozone. I notice this when I read a so-called conservative columnist, like Thomas Sowell or David Brooks. Then tend to usurp the wordings of the valid criticisms observed by progressive thinkers, spin them into perverted, confusing bullshit. And of course they are paid for their skills with money and acclaim.
Sowell does this in nearly every column.
I and others who write to the daily paper, who publishes his column on Fridays, have called him on his BS over and over again.
One’s participation in lasting change, beyond simple intellectual understanding requires ongoing motivation, intention and attention.
Dale, based on this,what WILL we name your clone?
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Ummmm…….a good nickname might be stinky.
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Procon, you and I agree about the Muslim atrocity re: Mansour. I condemn the Muslim who did that, as I believe you do also.
Turkle,
Were you raised in a fundamentalist household perhaps? I ask because I seldom see quite so much attitude about “religion”.
Now, I probably agree with many of your views, but I’ve also seen cases where people follow some of the better teachings of religion, rather than the dogma or fear based nonsense, and that often seems to work out pretty well for them, in terms of their happiness and good heart. So, I would never disparage it entirely.
I don’t consider Buddhism a “religion” BTW, since there is no creator being and nothing one must believe in, so none of your protests really feel personal to me.
You just seem, well…..a little over the top on the subject.
“I and others who write to the daily paper, who publishes his column on Fridays, have called him on his BS over and over again.” -Ront
I’m glad there are those, like yourself, who attempt to call ’em like they see ’em.
I appreciate the effort that I no longer expend. (Maybe their work on me is done? Mired in cynicism? Could be, I dunno.)
Leon Trotsky was a confirmed liar.
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So he’s just like the rest of us!
LOL!
…And now, out into the weird weather.
Thanks for the chortle.
While it may be true that my poo contains a lot of information. That is certainly preferable to poor Vlad’s situation, which is the reverse of that condition.
Thank you. What I cannot abide is people reading what I quoted from Jude and pretending that someone in the Vatican penned these words. Why?
[With his history how could he be Pro Abortion?]
Whats his salary? [just wondering].
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I’m not sure about his salary, but, yeah, with his history his anti-abortion stance is somewhat understandable. And yet it felt staged in the name of agenda politics, which of course it was. He aligned himself with Focus On The Family which is a right-wing political group – that is what I do not like about Tebow.
He is a pretty good QB, I will grant that. Not great, although he had a great game the other day. As a southpaw with a bit of mobility he naturally imposes a sense of awkwardness of the opposition. As teams become more familiar with him that advantage will wane. He’s no Ken Stabler though.
But all the “God’ as it relates to outcomes of games is absolutely ridiculous, and yet, the evangelical crowd buys into it. I find that sort of bizarre. And it’s not just a Christian thing, Chief Red Cloud, the Lakota leader, was reputed to have a ceremonial battle shield garment of some sort that allegedly made him impervious to enemy fire. According to lore, he once went to battle without it and suffered a wound via an arrow or bullet. I find this to be identical thinking to evangelical claims of divine intervention at a corporate sponsored sporting event in which MASSIVE amount of money are being made on the backs of working people.
Beyond that, I’m no fan of professional sports, as you might have guessed.
It’s not a pet concern. Read and learn:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/the-next-ice-age-and-the-anthropocene/
There’s apparently a range of opinion as to when we will enter a new phase of glaciation or would have entered had human activities not intervened.
There’s apparently a range of opinion as to the factors affecting the length of interglacials, the level of CO2 in the atmosphere required for a new round of glaciation.
According to one of them (Ruddiman) a new round of glaciation should have started thousands of years ago which is what Elrond was saying in his earlier post ie we’re past due.
According to another study (Tzedakis) a new ice age would be due about 1,500 years from now if CO2 levels were back below pre Industrial Revolution.
According to another older paper (Kukla) we will enter a new round of glaciation very soon.
But it seems to me that there’s a consensus that CO2 emissions are swamping natural processes that would start a new round of glaciation.
Technical glitch. Couldn’t finish my last post.
So maybe I was wrong, maybe this problem wrt to inter-glacials has been examined at length. Maybe I just missed it. Maybe it’s me that fucked in the head.
Or maybe the problem is asshole, posturing ideologues that that don’t have a fucking clue that get all the airtime. Maybe the popular media favor heat and fury over substantive discussion.
Maybe this is all because the popular media has to cater to an idiot public that has the collective scientific literacy of fourth graders and the attention span of houseflies and so has to distill complex issues fraught with uncertainty into 10 second soundbites and articles that take two minutes to read.
So what do I know? What I read in the papers mostly and what I see on television.
Rhino,
I tend to agree with you concerning the lack of analysis skills.
Anthropogenic global warming started about 8500 years ago with the advent of agriculture, and may have been helped along with the sublimation of methane ices in the Mediterranean (and quite possibly the reconnection of the Black Sea, which may have been a lake at that point, with the Mediterranean, though this is still controversial). I’ve seen some studies which indicate that this anthropogenic effect has acted as a damper to the normal oscillating patterns of warming and cooling at the multi-millennial time scale.
Without human intervention, and given indications of decreasing sunspot activity of the sun, we would probably be about halfway along another ice age by now. If human population plummeted by 95%, this would be a worry. More likely would be localized minima, such as the possibility that the North Atlantic gyre should lose too much salt water as glaciers melt, and consequently cause the Atlantic current to stop. Again, however, there is comparatively little evidence is happening, only that is could.
There’s also the possibility of another Maunder or Dalton minimum, given sunspot activity currently, which will likely create a cooling trend over the next thirty five years or so, but that won’t become evident for another five to ten years. At worst, it will make for some cold winters, but again it’s unlikely to cause another ice age, and it’s worrisome that if AGW IS occurring that once we leave this phase, temperatures will be much hotter even than today.
A true glaciation phase would likely take a couple of hundred years to really get underway, as it requires consistent snowfall with short or even non-existent summers, and it really would require the collapse of human civilization and about 100 years or so for agriculture induced AGW to subside even for that process to get started. It could be a real problem for humans in 3000 AD, but I’d be worrying more about GW than an ice age in the intermediate term, and worrying about Peak Oil before either one of these things in the short term.
it seems to me that there’s a consensus that CO2 emissions are swamping natural processes that would start a new round of glaciation.
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Rhino, everyone is talking about global warming as if it’s a done deal and nothing can be done about it.
But scientists are doing something about global warming. At the University of Southern California’s Lokar Hydrocarbon Research Institute researchers are working on inexpensive means to scrub the air and capture and recycle CO2.
In particular, they are working on ways to incorporate scrubbed CO2 into the production of methanol, as a replacement for oil and gas in making plastics, fertilizers, and other products that include fossil fuels in their recipes.
We don’t just have to throw up our hands and say nothing can be done about it. Science is working on reversing global warming, and simultaneously using the scrubbed CO2 to replace oil and gas. It’s a win-win optimistic future.
SOURCE:
Carbon dioxide super-scubber? Potential good news in global warming fight.
Christian Science Monitor; 1/5/2012
Very interesting post. Missing a few big points, though.
First, as per your post-1945 point, how does it jibe with marketing, PR and post-WWII “soft” psychological power to scream at the top of your lungs that WWII was a war against cartoon evil in the service of universal human freedom, then roll up and enslave the world after 5 years of said screaming?
Remember, modern mechanisms of control depend not on brute intimidation keeping the peasants in line, but a projection of psychological power that manipulates us into line without us ever realizing we have been manipulated.
It doesn’t compute. Even the most unconscious of us can recognize the grotesque in-your-face hypocrisy of a ham-fisted nature as THAT.
Post WWII enslavement of the rest of the world wouldn’t have sold even in Peoria in those days. During post-WWII, aided by the fact that for once the enemy actually WAS cartoonishly evil (and five years of relentless freedomganda), almost 50% of Americans polled believed that nuclear arms should be placed under the control of the UN or other world-deliberating body.
Don’t believe me? Look it up.
I am not sure any kind of propaganda delivery system could so overwhelm such hypocrisy that is so vile, venal, and most important of all, massively, transparently hypocritical as enslaving the world after fighting a five year brutal war for universal human freedom and democracy.
Speaking of delivery systems, the other thing your post WWII point ignores is nuclear weapons.
It also ignores the extreme war weariness of America and the world. After almost 4 years of the most brutal devastating war the world has ever seen, would it truly have been that easy to mobilize the American (let alone the European, who had 6 years of it) population to enslave the rest of the world?
Something like that might even be beyond the abilities of our manipulators today, even with media saturation 24/7 delivery systems to carpet bomb the national mind.
Given all these things, such post WWII action were close to impossible and would unneccessarily risk the Nobility losing control of the Peasantry, which meant the enslaved colonies would have a better chance to slip free and own their own resources.
Capiche?
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I enjoyed your attempt to turn the tables on me vis a vis going in circles, but I believe the one thing I have been consistent about is knowing that we cannot know. Further, I have gone in just the past 12 years and altered several of my core beliefs in accordance with empirical data and observation.
From pretty unconditional support of Israel to strongly questioning it. From believing the media is liberal, mostly trustworthy, and independant to believing it’s RW Corporate Socialist and propagandistic. From believing America is a beacon of freedom to believing it’s a beacon of future “new world order” tyranny. From being a devoted member of Team Left to the perception, months or more before the appearance of Occupy, that it’s all a puppet show masking the true aristocracy & henchpersons vs. peasantry. And more.
Isn’t a circle where one winds up where they started? You let me know if I do that on any of those issues or more.
Plus, how you can characterize me of having a rigid philosophy when my every post is chock full of qualifiers and the idea that I know that we can never fully know and expounding on a wide range of possibilities and potential alternative explanations?
In your book, this is rigidity? I guess in your book, flexibility means unmoving and unbending.
Finally, if I was as circularly rigid as you say, would I have relented on the idea of the Civil War being 100% just with only positive effects for all?
Why the hell would you even bring that quote
up, especially when I didn’t even apply it to you but to the CFN Clown Car? Is that what you are trying to say? That I am like Cartman or RI?
Or were you just trying to take a poke at me and grabbed whatever was handy?
What a Catch-22! If I try to speak to you without zealotry and with qualified evenhandedness, you go all squishy because of my uncertainty. If I speak to you with confidence in my suspicions, then all of a sudden I’m rigidly 100% certain and admitting no possibility of wrongness.
Sheesh! (slaps forehead)
Back here in the real world of New Jersey, I recently received Blue Cross/Blue Shield’s rate notification. For my small service business, they want an increase of $5,000 annually (with no increase in service, etc). $5,000 more for nothing. When I called my agent and complained about the skyrocketing price, he blamed “Obamacare”. I kinda rolled me eyes at that one. My choice seems to be lose the insurance or get the type of insurance that only has 80/20 coverage for hospitalization. I don’t want to do either. If any of my techs has a car wreck, they could be hospitalized for weeks and stuck paying 20% of the hospital bill. That bankrupts most people. In fact, I read somewhere that the majority of people who declare bankruptcy actually had insurance, it just wasn’t enough. So I either lose insurance or raise my prices in this lousy economy.
So I complained to Governor Christie about this. He sent me an auto response claiming that if Blue Cross was losing money paying out claims, they could raise the rates without needing approval. What? The Blue Cross/Blue Shields CEO collected $8.7 million last year. Doesn’t sound like they lost money from paying out the claims, sounds like they lost money overpaying the CEO of a NON-Profit company. I guess they need my extra $5,000 (not to pay out claims) but to keep their NON-Profit CEO rich as thieves. It seems criminal to me. Wonder if Christie (so venerated by the GOP everywhere except NJ) will put his Attorney General on to investigate this matter.
A few days ago at the Post Office, Lindsey Larue, the perennial 3rd party candidate, had a big IMPEACH OBAMA sign and was asking people for donations. I said to the two fellows there, “Didn’t you sit outside the Rumson post office a couple of years ago asking for money to impeach George Bush?” Needless to say, the old folks milling around these two left without making a donation. Its amazing how the crackpots can lure money out of old people who hate Obama. I also find its interesting that white, Christian Americans kept acting like victims. If you’re a white, Christian American you’re the majority and nobody’s oppressing you.
Old6699 and all your other names, you came thru once again with more crazy, abstruse manifestos. Thanx for that!!!
What’s with our media? This situation with Iran is serious. Iran is a nation of almost 90 million and is a major world oil producer. Its leader, an emissary of the Mullahs, is in Venezuela threatening to launch missiles from that country into the midwest. They consider the sanctions against them and the murder of their scientists as serious provocations, indeed, as acts of war, which they are. A war with Iran, even limited war, would be extremely destructive, possibly wrecking the petroleum infrastructure of Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, UAR, etc. So last nite before work I turned on CNN to try get some news about it. There wasn’t any news about Iran. The big news on the cable networks was that the psychiatrists in the Casey Anthony case have released their records. That’s what they were talking about. The newspaper I work for is the same way. I think we need a new media here, one that actually covers what’s important and really happening instead of feeding us pablum and Bullshit eveyday.
–WSP7
A few days ago at the Post Office, Lindsey Larue, the perennial 3rd party candidate
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Since Q up and died, he can’t correct errors.
I think you meant: Lyndon LaRouche.
The poster outside our post office has a mustache on Obama.
I’d be worrying more about GW than an ice age in the intermediate term, and worrying about Peak Oil before either one of these things in the short term. – Kurt
Maybe you’re right.
But I’ll tell you what worries me more is whether what is happening in research labs is accurately being reflected in public and political discussions.
Why? Because I do a fair amount of reading and until now I haven’t seen even ONCE this issue of whether and for how long CO2 emissions have forestalled new rounds of glaciation. Despite what other posters say I’m not convinced that this is a peripheral issue. Why? Because there doesn’t seem to be scientific consensus on the matter at least according to what I’m seeing in the NY Times article. And how reliable is that as a barometer of scientific opinion?
It makes me wonder what else is being discussed in scientific journals and research facilities that isn’t making its way into the wider world.
The problem from my standpoint is lack of faith in the public’s ability or willingness to get its arms around complex scientific issues where there’s still differing opinions among the knowledgeable.
What I HAVE heard a lot of is talk about “settled science” (which makes me go apeshit) and equally moronic dismissals from the opposing camp.
The truth isn’t a matter of splitting the difference or of being somewhere in between. The truth is a matter of objective fact and testable, falsifiable theory.
WSP7, very good post!
I agree with everything. You describe the situation very well. Thanks.
Good post, Hancock1863.
You’re very much on the right track here. If fact, you have pretty much echoed what I’ve been saying for a long time.
Where you are wrong is in your characterization of Israel. As someone who is from Israel and who has traveled the world extensively, I can tell you without reservation that Israel is the most progressive the most liberal the most open the most curious the most democratic the most egalitarian the most life affirming society on the face of this planet. Despite all the incredible hardships and incredible daily pressures, Israelis are the happiest people in the world.
That said, Israel has definitely taken a huge step backwards having aligned itself with the yankee imperialists and their vatican jesuit masters. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, there’s no doubt in my mind that Netanyahu is a CIA agent and a stooge for the banksters/vatican. But then, what choice is there for country like Israel? Israel is in a very very precarious position, and it’s purposely kept in that position and not allowed to escape. Your parroting vile anti-Israel CIA/Vatican/Jihadi propaganda does not help the situation.
have you checked out information clearinghouse.info? of course you ll have to do a little culling of the opposite sort, in that there are a few overtly anti-american writers featured…of course you can hardly blame some of rthem, considering their perspectives- and at that it is interesting and informative to see how we as a nation and society are viewed in some parts of the world…
chuckle…thanks, yo, that was quite a read on a completely unrelated note, have you heard anything concrete concerning the whereabouts of Q-check? i think soaker said he was no longer with us, a day or two ago, but i wasn t sure from the context whether it was an assumption due to his absence, or if said demise had been confirmed, or what…?
“I can tell you without reservation that Israel is the most progressive the most liberal the most open the most curious the most democratic the most egalitarian the most life affirming society on the face of this planet.”
I’d like to buy a comma (or six) for that sentence.
Additionally, statement is complete rubbish.
“Despite all the incredible hardships and incredible daily pressures, Israelis are the happiest people in the world.”
Laying it on a bit thick today, don’t you think?
“Were you raised in a fundamentalist household perhaps?”
No.
“You just seem, well…..a little over the top on the subject.”
I argue forcefully against a belief system I consider invalid and false. Many intellectuals like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have done the same. I don’t see the big deal. *shrugs*
I imagine you became suspicious of Bibi after the Bar-Ilan speech. There is no way to confirm he is CIA. If Netanyahu was really CIA, Obama wouldn’t have so much trouble with him.
Outstanding post, CCM. I guess those outrageous CEO bonuses are just ‘the cost of doing business’.
You sound like a very good employer CCM. And smart, too. Imagine that, looking out for the best interests of your employees might produce some reciprocal benefit such as loyalty and dedication. Getting stuck with 20% of a hospital bill sure could send somebody into bankruptcy in a hurry – no doubt about it.
i m curious to know circumstances, if you know…i thought prog said something about instructions Q left for one last post a while back, did i miss it?
P.S.
The Department of Theater at the University of Haifa has a new program for medical clowns, the first of its kind in Israel, so I can believe that Israel is full of happy people.
Asoka, the CFN RI Clown in Charge
One of our CFN posters said he murdered Q.
I believed him. He never retracted his story and Q never reappeared.
That led me to the conclusion that Q is dead, a state normally achieved after an act of homicide.
“Because I do a fair amount of reading and until now I haven’t seen even ONCE this issue of whether and for how long CO2 emissions have forestalled new rounds of glaciation.”
Perhaps you’re not googling hard enough?
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/the-next-ice-age-and-the-anthropocene/
No, I don’t think so. I’ve described my experience and observations accurately. You obviously haven’t lived in Israel, so you no experience by which to judge.
..you ^have no experience by which to judge..
I know the information is out there, CFT, and with a little work we can find out what is happening in the world. Maybe the MSM figures that’s exactly what were doing, looking up stuff ourselves, so they don’t have to go to the trouble anymore.
Asoka, did Q indeed die? Or is it just a guess. He’s disappeared before, only to return as cantankerous as ever! He used to bust my you know whats once in awhile, but I found him to be a pretty interesting guy.
–WSP7
In looking for info on Tebow I found he spent part
of a holiday in the Philippines, circumcising boys!!!
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“What’s with our media? This situation with Iran is serious. Iran is a nation of almost 90 million and is a major world oil producer. Its leader, an emissary of the Mullahs, is in Venezuela threatening to launch missiles from that country into the midwest.”
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It just doesn’t make sense, does it WSP? Why would Iran deliberately provoke an attack on their nation? How would they benefit by such malevolence?
It just doesn’t make sense, all of this alleged saber rattling by Iran.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that some of these wars may be prearranged productions that all parties have agreed upon in advance? The staged theatrics of world affairs, and not all that dissimilar from a World Wrestling Federation production?
Defense Contractor Agent: Hey Mr Mullah, interested in making a little money , as in billions?
Mr. Mullah: Of course, I descend from the original Persians and who has more of the mercantilism spirit in their DNA than our people?
Defense Contractor Agent: OK then, glad to hear it. Here’s the deal. We want your country, implausible as it might seem to logical individuals, to start provoking a war with our country?
Mr. Mullah: But wouldn’t that be suicide, the signing a national death warrant? Besides, we’re already in power and life is not too bad in Iran here on the top; it’s good to be The King, you know.
Defense Contractor Agent: Ah, Mr Mullah, where’s your imagination? We’ll rain down some bombs, but you’ll stay in power, and be far richer for it. In fact, your country is the new threat that ensures a continual new round of defense contracts. We need you; we don’t need to destroy you…get it?
Multiple motivations. It isn’t just about money. People are more complicated than that.
Ever notice that aggression seems to be part and parcel of the human character especially in young men. They just LOVE to fight. I was like that once. I’ll wager that you were too.
Ever see those old film reels of ranks of sharp looking, goose stepping Waffen SS? Did you see the frenzied German spectators cheering like crazy and weeping with pride? What was THAT all about?
Heard those stories of Hitler Youth willing to die on the battlefield for their mad Fuehrer?
Did you ever hear the stories of young Russian soldiers with satchels of explosives throwing themselves under German tanks in WW2 and blowing up the tank and themselves? Or the young Japanese kamikaze pilots in WW2? How about the young Arab men that flew those planes into the Twin Towers?
Ever heard the French national anthem “The Marseillaise” Have a listen and read the lyrics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g
So among other things there’s a deep streak of nastiness that sits in all of us. We just seem to love murder and mayhem even if it costs us our own lives. Especially when its accompanied with flags and drums and trumpets and uniforms. We get tend to get depressed unless we’re planning a war.
The statement “happiest people” is stupid and meaningless. How can you possibly measure people’s happiness? You bust out your Happy Meter?
How do you gauge people’s self-assessments? According to happiness measurements I’ve seen, Nigerians are supposedly the happiest people on the planet, when judging by self-reporting. Except anyone who knows anything about that country knows this is complete crap. The country is filled with angry, young men who are most certainly not happy.
BTW, I’ve nothing in particular against Israel, w.r.t. to other countries. Your assertions would be rubbish applied to any of them, too.
Old man-Troll constructs a straw man in the form:
“What if the Green Thugs are Right ?”
A “Green Thug” is simply a creation of Fox News Republicanism, a slander against opponents of the deterioration of the commons.
Hey, guess what OldTroll: even the ELF only blows up property and spares lives. The sterile television-centric world is yesterday’s future: its in place today. Your ideal world is here, today. This milieu is the “alternative” you suggest.
Hence your alternative is no alternative. Yours is an essentially conservative position. Like that position, we’re staying the course, discounting the future, destroying nature, and falling down worshiping our own ability to deny facts and truth. Your metaphysics in practice is no different from fundamentalist religion, and your fervor is evangelical. You are an American Idiot.
Do you realize how content you could be with a simple surgical operation severing the corpus collosum? Never again will the remnants of your left brain hemisphere interfere with the enthusiastic fantasies of your right hemisphere. It might actually allow you to make a coherent argument as long as your left hand has something to do. Jerking off would probably do. I would imagine your right hand would write reams of apology for the nonsense your right brain came up with. We might be able to have a rational discussion.
My essential theory is that your right brain lords over your left brain like a rabid J. Edgar Hoover, a censorious bully undermining the rational basis of a logically consistent self-esteem.
Reading the ticker-tape of your malfunctioning right-brain is a perfect opportunity for arm-chair psychology. I imagine the circumstances of its development. I am thinking popped blood vessel or aneurysm resulting in dead tissue. Or perhaps a single, serious concussion resulting in a damaging inflammation, probably in childhood. In either case the lack of nerve endings in the brain may have helped give an impression of an effect without cause.
Or perhaps it is a degeneration in the left hemisphere. After all, much of the logical basis for your arguments are missing. The verbal component is all too strong. The words are linked together more or less constructively but the logic is invalid, the reasoning inconsistent.
The Happiest People on Earth
by Brian Henry
Canada and Israel are tied for eighth place. Surprised? Don’t be.
Canada and Israel have much in common. We’re both big believers in democracy and in fairness, we’re both highly diverse multicultural societies and both of us have dynamic economies.
But I was tickled to learn this summer that Canada and Israel have yet one more thing in common: We’re tied for eighth place among the happiest people on Earth.
Some people might be surprised to find Israelis at the top of the happiness charts. After all, Gallup conducted this poll from 2005 to 2009, and during that time, Israel fought two wars.
On top of that, Israel is often portrayed as a monstrous, apartheid state. Surely Israeli Arabs must live in utter misery — and since they make up 20% of the population, their despair ought to pop the happiness bubble, right? Apparently not. It seems Israeli Arabs are pretty happy, too.
Arab-Israeli soccer star Beram Kayal has an easy explanation for misconceptions about Israel. “People watch too much television,” he recently told Scotland’s Sunday Herald.
“What the television shows about Israel is totally different [from] what happens. The life between the Jews and the Arabs is very good. I’m an Arab and my agent is Jewish but we’re like family … Maccabi Haifa has seven or eight Arab players and that’s normal. The only difference is their religion, but there’s no conflict.”
But what about all those wars in Israel? Shouldn’t they make Israelis miserable? Not really.
The 2006 war against Hezbollah in Lebanon lasted just 34 days. The operation in Gaza against Hamas, in 2008-2009, lasted just 22 days. In total, that’s only eight weeks of war.
For the other 252 weeks in the last five years, Israelis spent their time pretty much like Canadians: working, raising their families and enjoying themselves. That’s normal life in Israel, but what’s normal isn’t news, so we don’t hear about it.
Besides, being at war doesn’t necessarily make people unhappy. During the first hours of the Lebanese War, Israel destroyed all of Hezbollah’s long-range missiles, making Israel’s major cities safe for the duration.
Hezbollah did fire thousands of missiles into northern Israel, trying to kill as many Jews as possible. But Hezbollah’s missiles caused few injuries, as a million Israelis simply evacuated to the south, and those who stayed waited out the bombardment in bomb shelters.
Meanwhile, the country was absolutely behind the war. Overseas, people may have been confused over what the war was about, but Israelis all knew they’d been attacked without provocation, with missiles striking Israeli towns and an ambush on an Israeli patrol that left three soldiers dead and two more kidnapped.
Standing together in the face of aggression doesn’t make people miserable; quite the contrary. It puts fire in the belly and the warmth of fellow feeling in the heart.
Similarly, while people overseas may have been confused by the media coverage, Israelis know that their operation against Hamas in Gaza was one of the most justified wars in history — that it was an answer to naked terrorism after all other solutions had been tried and failed.
For years, Hamas had tormented the townsfolk of Sderot with daily rocket and mortar attacks that struck schools, homes and health clinics. The purpose of the war was to allow Sderot and other Israeli towns coming under terrorist attack to enjoy the same peace and happiness as the rest of Israel. And whole country supported the cause.
Israel isn’t paradise of course — except in comparison to most places in the world. For example, the Palestinian-controlled territories rank 88th on the happiness list. Which brings me to a modest proposal: Among other intractable issues, the status of Jerusalem is one of the major stumbling blocks to an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.
Why not hold a referendum? Ask Jerusalem’s Arabs if they want the continuing happiness of being part of a compassionate and caring liberal democracy or if they prefer the abject misery of living under the infinitely corrupt Palestinian Authority.
No one can seriously doubt the result of such a referendum. During the Camp David talks, it was proposed that, as part of a peace agreement, some Israeli Arab towns should be placed on the Palestinian side of the border.
So the Israeli Arab weekly Kul Al-Arab polled the Arabs of Um al Fahm to ask what they thought of their city joining a Palestinian State. Only 11% were in favour; 83% said they preferred to remain Israeli.
A referendum among Arab Jerusalemites would have a similarly lopsided result. And allowing Jerusalem’s Arabs to tie themselves permanently to Israel of their own free choice would be an excellent way to begin a new stage in the relationship.
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Via: The National Post (CANADA)
This is the article I provided a link for in my earlier post.
Kensington’s Gold Mine dumps toxic waste in freshwater lake, destroying the aquatic life therein.
More gold for the cheap electronics entertainment industry. Old69 orgasms!
The 1872 mining law, perhaps the ultimate in kick-the-can political reality: bending over for big business for the last 140 years.
From Kensington’s official “Environment” statement:
“We will encourage and be involved in the development of reasonable environmental legislation and regulations.”
Naked corporate governance. Foxes watching the Hen-House.
“We will develop, maintain, and disseminate pertinent environmental and safety information to our employees and stakeholders.”
They may as well be saying, “QUO VADIS BABY”
Your evidence that Israelis are the happiest people on earth is an article that cites a study where they come in eighth. *face palm*
No. The study cited was for years 2005 to 2009. My personal observation is for this current year. 😀
I certainly hope Qshtick is OK. I’m fond of him…I think he’s clever and he has good insights. I don’t mind his spelling/usage corrections at all.
SJmom
Do you think it is all a big coincidence that we’ve deployed our innate rage and violence smack dab in the middle of the world’s primary oil patch? I think not.
SJMom51, I think we all share your compassionate concern for Q’s well-being. I certainly enjoyed his concern for proper usage of the English language and his reverence for William Safire. Safire published a column “On Language” until his death.
My reverence is reserved for earlier authorities:
Strunk, William, Jr. 1918. The Elements of Style.
Believing that one must first know the rules to break them, this classic reference book is a must-have for any student or writer.
Fowler, H. W. 1908. The King’s English, 2nd ed.
This reference work has remained a standard resource — serving generations of students and writers with commonsense rules of style and grammar.
I like to imagine Q now being with Safire, discussing proper use of language.
“I’ve described my experience and observations accurately.”
I don’t recall reading anything about what metuselah did in Jerusalem last summer. You’ve just made a series of extreme and absolute value judgments (“best country ever”) about abstract and immeasurable concepts like happiness, based upon purely subjective experiences. Clearly, you’re hopelessly partisan and biased, not to mention purely ridiculous.
Yeah, but I got a sense of humor about it, and you don’t. 😀
I don’t recall reading anything about what metuselah did in Jerusalem last summer.
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Some things you just don’t write about. Met was slashing the throats of Jihadis last summer.
Metuselah has very little sense of humor when it comes to his Jihadi brothers, with whom he thinks he has nothing in common.
So your posts about Israel being the greatest nation in the history of nationdom must be one big joke.
Well, har-dee-har-har!
Hey SJ,
This was the last week that Q posted to CFN, unless I missed one somewhere.
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/11/your-new-american-dream.html#comments
Maybe Q won that million dollar prize in that stock-picking game that Eleuthero came down so hard on him for mentioning on CFN, and is on a round the world cruise or something.
It’s just one of those mysteries, right now.
Nope, no joke. We are the greatest! The rest of youz envious bitches will just have stew in your envy. 😀
“Or were you just trying to take a poke at me and grabbed whatever was handy?”
-HC, concerning my quoting his own words-
That’s pretty funny, HC, and ever so slightly accurate, too. I do get a little overwhelmed trying to respond to your posts. If we were talking over a beer I’d be breaking each of your posts into about 8-10 different pieces and responding to each piece serially.
If you were talking in a courtroom, then I’d have a team of paralegals taking notes and doing research as you spoke.
But here we are on CFN, and I had glanced back at MY post that you were responding to about Met, and I saw that quote, hanging there attractively like a low branch – and I didn’t see any point in not breaking a piece of it off and throwing it back at you. hah! And no offense intended, btw – don’t go all “I’m not Cartman!” on me, dude.
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Now – I’ve run out of time before actually getting to the meat of your post.
I’ll get to it pretty quick.
I assure you that I’m not envious of the Israeli people in the slightest degree.
Since you have designated me RI, it is my duty to prohibit you from any further dialog with Hancock.
Persist and you will prove I am incapable of impeding anything.
Have a nice day!
Asoka, CFN RI and Chief Clown
Regarding the end of WWII and whether the RWA’s should/could have used the US military to roll up the Russians and establish a REAL RWA kingdom on Earth –
Eh, now we’re into another one of those “historical what-if’s” that you and I tend to enjoy arguing. Sure, there was war weariness and bitchin’, but hey, that’s what Americans DO.
And the United States was never so MARTIAL, before or since, as it was during WWII. And look at the letters and memoirs of the guys in Europe at the time of the collapse of Germany. Even the ones who saw hard combat service (I’m thinking particularly of the 101st PIR) were totally accepting of the idea that they would be shipped to the Pacific for the invasion of Japan.
So yeah, I’d say that if the orders were given – the US would have kept fighting.
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Let’s try another approach. What if this comes down to different national leaderships at different times of history. Roosevelt gave up a lot of European geography to Stalin out of some hope that Stalin would behave like an American would under those circumstances at that time. Of course, history showed Roosevelt screwed the pooch on that one. Nevertheless, had Roosevelt, instead of being Roosevelt; been W BushII – well “the decider” would likely have given orders to roll over the Russians, if only to show that he had a Big Right Wing Johnson, or something.
Hancock, when you say: “I have gone in just the past 12 years and altered several of my core beliefs in accordance with empirical data and observation.” and you mention several things that led you to alter your beliefs:
1. Israel no longer gets your support
2. Media is no longer liberal and unbiased
3. US no longer a beacon of hope
Look, you didn’t need to alter your beliefs. Just to pick those three things – Israel has changed, a lot. Our media IS NO LONGER the same. And our days as a beacon of Hope, are going the way of peak oil.
You’ve altered your beliefs because reality has changed. Any thinking person would do this. But it’s hard to acknowledge that reality is actually changing, and at a high rate of speed.
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The problem with our Dear Leaders, is that they come to believe their own Bull Shit.
BushII, to this day, believes that “He kept us safe.”
Obama, from the get go, BELIEVED the goddam Univ. of Chicago Economic Theory, which is why he has surrounded himself with neocons who ALSO believe.
Mit the Twit believes that he is a Job Creator, and wants to cut taxes on the rich, like any Job Creator would have to believe.
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You want to argue that Right Wing Authoritarians (RWA’s, for any CFN rookies, btw) are bending public policy using subtle PR tools and techniques.
I argue that we are lead by hopeless bullshit artists, who unfortunately believe their own bullshit – at a critical juncture in history.
What if we’re both right, HC? In an energy descending world, in a time of history that has ZERO parallels –
People believe what they have to believe, when they have to believe it.
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I think we’ve gone in another circle.
But, wasn’t it a large, looping, and beautiful circle?
I am a failure as RI. You have ignored my RI command to cease dialog with Hancock. Your RI claim is bunk.
You have ruined my day, procon, and robbed me of the status of CFN RI. I gave my commnad at 5:08. You ignored it and violated it at 5:21. I didn’t even get my 15 minutes of fame as CFN RI.
ProCon to Hancock: I think we’ve gone in another circle.
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I think that is an accurate characterization of what passes as “dialog” on CFN. There is nothing to impede and nothing worth impeding.
Actually asoka., you were christened with the sobriquet “The Resident Impediment” back in early January or February, of last year.
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/02/wake-me-shake-me.html#comment-42388
It’s been a long 15 minutes for you, hasn’t it?
The sale of shelters, including very elaborate ones costing millions, has gone thru the roof. One group is transforming a crusise ship into a Noah’s Arc type vessel that could withstand a tidal wave and being submerged. Another guy is making millions refashoning missile silos into reverse sky scrapers twenty stories low. All this was on 60 minutes – so I’m assuming that is mainstream enough to satisfy Dale. Each condo therein goes for several million.
And then there is the creation of the seedbank of edible plants is Svalbard. I’d say the higher Elite do know that Itz Coming and are making elaborate plans. And this is just a little of what we know – imagine what the Goverments are doing.
well, look on the bright side: you still have two minutes to stick your nose on, and paint a smile on your face…don t forget the curly rainbow wig!
Your liberal world view that everything was getting better and better was smashed by the realities of the 20th Century. You seem to get that in one part of your brain but yet you cling to the liberal ideal of the Perfect State. It can never be. As Augustine said long ago, the perfect State is the City of God and no other.
Good men can make mediocre or even bad sytems like Monarchy work. But bad men will ruin good systems like American Republicanism (not Democracy since that plays only a part). As the poet Whitman said, produce great personalities and the rest follows.
Prog believes in Religion for the good it does human beings. This is a valid position though far from the highest. It is far better to love man for God’s sake than to love God for man’s.
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So you think there is still a possibility of success as CFN Clown?
“Paving the Way to Paradise” – Balfour Beatty Construction
So we don’t need Jihad to get there then? Thank goodness for that.
Ice Ages are the norm; interglacials the interim and exception. Ice Ages eliminate the unfit species, individuals, and civilizations. They are God’s method of cleansing the Earth. There is evidence that Civilizations existed during the Ice Age – the sunken cities since the Oceans were lower then.
If we had our act together we could flourish during an Ice Age – even living under the ice here and there. But as it is it will kill almost everyone and destroy the whole world system.
Hey, Vlad, things did get better in the 20th century.
Life expectancy increased by 30 years;
infant mortality rates fell 10-fold;
the number of cases of (and the death rate from) the major killer diseases–such as tuberculosis, polio, typhoid, whooping cough, and pneumonia–fell to fewer than 50 per 100,000;
air quality improved by about 30 percent in major cities since 1977;
agricultural productivity rose 5- to 10-fold;
real per capita gross domestic product increased from $4,800 to $31,500;
real wages nearly quadrupled from $3.45 an hour to $12.50.
But I doubt those are the 20th century “realities” you were referring to. You are just selective about what you allow into your reality.
Yer weird, Vlad.
“They are God’s method of cleansing the Earth.”
This reminds me of a visit I had with an old relative of mine who told me that AIDS was God’s way of punishing the gays and that he smited (smote?) the Japanese for putting their nuclear reactors too close to the ocean. I wonder when a baby dies if God is punishing it preemptively for future wrongdoings.
Women are sex objects to men (up to a certain age, 30 or so) and men are success object to women (age unrelated). Thus litte ugly guys can get the most beautiful women if they are rich enough. Of course she might cuckold him to get good looking genes someplace else and use his money to raise the other man’s child. Or kill him so she doesn’t have to screw him.
I’m a good looking guy who has been with some beautiful women. One had to go into therapy to break up with me – that is the power of my magnetic personality. If my current plans pan out, I should have billions soon. I’m developing a new form of energy based on the interaction between dust and sunlight. It based Thomist Metaphysics and alchemical applications. But all the woman who line up once I’m rich will have to be willing to sign prenups – as well as they woman who go to the sperm bank for my seed.
Is any space really empty? And is any object really all that dense? It’s the form that makes anything what it is – even atoms. The matter itself in and of itself is mysterious. Einstein was right as far as he went – but he didn’t go far enough. It can be accessed below the speed of light if you just slow down enough. Walk down the street slowly and gracefully as if you were standing still and the street moving past you. People will be terrified as your power increases with each step.
Seriously, dude?
That’s very profound Turk. You must have watched Fight Club last night. And smote is fine useage.
Katrina just missed a huge Gay Convention by a week or two. Their last warning.
Socrates said that his ugly face was a result of his inner ugliness in his previous life(s). You had overcome the ugliness but it was crystalized in place for the span of this incarnation.
Christ seemed to disagree saying about a Cripple, This man has not sinned nor has his Father but that the works of the Lord be made manifest through him. I’m not sure what that means.
Vlad drank too much Kool Aid, today.
1/2, & 1/2
Actually asoka., you were christened
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It is one thing to be externally christened…
It was just today I embraced my inner resident impediment role… and failed 13 minutes later.
OK, Procon, that is enough meaningful dialog for today. Go dialog with someone else, if you can find anyone.
All that just pertains to the body, Soak. Happiness, real Happiness that is, doesn’t come from that. And we have gone backwards in regards to real Happiness. We could have had both, but it’s hard: emphasis on improving technology tends to externalize consciousness too much. And then it’s inevitable that the tech will be misused and think of all the suffering that comes from that…
Concerning your climate comments and future prospects for humanity try reading “THE WEATHER MAKERS: How Mabn is Changing the Climate and What it Means for Life on Earth” by Tim Flannery. Let’s put it this way: things don’t look very good for the planet or the creatures who currently live there. Also, I enjoyed your latest response to Dee Jones and marvel that you are still posting comments to her after the barrage of insults she unleashed at you yesterday. Good luck on the new invention.
A lot of interacting factors, almost breathtaking in their complexity determines future climate trends, to the point that the picture is far from clear. Consensus among most climatologists is that the Earth is warming and at least part of that is due to human activity. What I haven’t learned yet is how climatologists can determine what that percentage is.
No one knows the driving force behind glaciation, although a lot of theories have been put forth. Years ago, I heard about analysis of some sample cores that showed drastic temperature drops in as little as 20 years, but I haven’t seen any references to that one analysis since it first appeared.
Some causes that are mentioned are periods of extensive vulcanism, Earth’s orbital irregularities, and one that Isaac Asimov espoused that laid the blame on differing masses between the northern and southern hemispheres. Also, plate tectonics seems to be a likely contributor. Many theories have come from some serious scientific thinkers.
It’s pretty straightforward, or so it appears, to determine what’s happening to global temperatures; just analyze recorded past temperature records and current measurements. But it’s pretty clear that most predictions are just guesses.
“I forget the other one”
I remember, it was the market crash from 12.5k to 11.5k (thx Q). And I’ll continue to predict that vicious “skimming” cycle, which has happened 6-10 times since, and will occur another 6-10 times or so, before it can no longer, and it crashes to JHK’s 4k level. Or, I will also predict it will NOT hit 13.5k (oh sh!t, please prove me $wrong$)!!!
Rhino doesn’t seem to know where to look for global warming/ice age material. They have been debating that precise issue heavily, for at least a decade. The concern is that the ocean currents slow/stop during global warming, resulting in no warm waters circulated north/south, and then monster ice caps grow over both poles which extend towards the equator. As turkle tried to tell him, the CO2 trends for almost a million years show that during the industrial age (since 1860 or so), and particularly during the past 60 or so years, the atmospheric CO2 is 33% higher than anything measured during that past million years (and it is 100% higher than the overall median for that timeframe). Bah, arguing with a brick wall there…
Anyone remember those western movies/tv shows from the 50’s? Remember how they were always raising cattle in desert conditions? Well, that was fraud – the dust bowl region centered at the Oklahoma panhandle used to be nothing but native, pure-prairie, drought-hardened green-grass, up until serious cattle grazing and the 1920’s push by the US govt to make all that land into monoculture wheat (all native grass turned under). The consensus on this, is that the dust bowl “black blizzard” was a human-created phenomena, and all the topsoil that took 100,000 years to create, was blown away (they weren’t very big into aquifer irrigation then). I passed through the Oklahoma panhandle in ’84, and it was very much the same desert wasteland that I saw near the 4 corners region (concreted, leached clay).
And then there’s certain RI douchebags that point to the aquifers as their total desert-dwelling salvation. Yeah, rIIIght – they’ll continue indefinitely to supply irrigation water (even thought they’re over 50% drained already). I’m betting RI believes he can hitch a ride BACK SOUTH to Brazil when TSHTF, on those Mexican trains, that all the immigrants hop on to travel north. Think again, RI – there will be no train travel (after a nuke). So decide whether you want to stay there in the Tejican desert, 2-3 hours from US civilization, right on the Mejican border – or if you want to stay there in your clearcut/slash and burn, concreted, leached Amazon Basin, with rivers silted and poisoned from cattle grazing runoff (rIIIght, mangoes, bananas, avocados, etc)…
Oh, and trust-you-me, Qshit will be back in full force soon, prolly correcting *MY* poast “FIRST”!
” I’m a good looking guy who has been with some beautiful women. One had to go into therapy to break up with me – that is the power of my magnetic personality…Walk down the street slowly and gracefully as if you were standing still and the street moving past you. People will be terrified as your power increases with each step.”
I knew I’ve see you somewhere before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyaj2P-dSi8
Reviewing the blog so far this cycle I stumbled across some of your posts and liked them. I’m going to recommend once again “The Weather Makers” about climate change. Concerning the possibility of a nuclear strike against Iran it should be kept in mind that the positions of fleet ballistic missile submarines are classified top secret and that whether or not we have Ohio class boomers in the Indian Ocean is pure speculation. On the other hand, there are most certainly fast attack boats loaded with cruise missiles in that ocean, so they have to be concerned about that at least. The other class of submarine currently operated by the US Navy are the large 560′ long converted Ohio class boomers which are totally loaded for bear with nearly one hundred tomahawk cruise missiles each, an awesome weapon system which is tantamount to a massive submarine aircraft carrier loaded with these autonomous suicide bombers which self destruct into both land and sea targets much like Japanese kamikaze aircraft of the second world war. Such vessels can wipe out entire fleets without ever surfacing, not to mention the capability of massive shore bombardment. We can only hope that the Iranians are not foolish enough to start something during a presidential campaign in which the sitting president cannot afford to be seen as being soft. While the aircraft carriers are the “show” it is the SSGN guided missile submarines in this new class which are easily the most devastating weapon system currently at sea, although they are a more subtle threat, since nuclear subs rarely surface to intimidate potential adversaries.
“SSGN guided missile submarines”
Hey Bubbleboy, ever heard of AN/BSY1? I did work on that, back in the day, around ’87 (rewiring trident nuclear subs with fiber). Still have the coffee cup coaster with the logo on it, right by my desk:
http://oldbluejacket.com/images/BSY_1.jpg
*SMALL WORLD*… I regret those days, Federal Systems Division (IBM). Did a lot of work on Silicon on Sapphire Rad Hard devices, as well. I may have already cried about this 6 months ago, but Believe DAT!!!
goddamn…they re correct to hate us…i just saw a commercial for a fucking MOTORIZED FACE SCRUBBER this concerns us all: even if you don t buy it, we have allowed our society to reach the depths of depravity on this one, y all!
I just saw an incredible ad – well it was actually a TV show, ad hidinum. Apparently, soccer moms and nannys are doing all they can, to buy a $1,600 child stroller, which can be converted into a bicycle. There is a huge waiting list (not made in America – GO FIGURE), and they all want it *NOW*. I have to admit, the idea was decent – but $1,600 was about 4x too expensive for what it was/consisted of.
Oh well, Capitalism reigns *SUPREME*!!!
Q was an OCD type. But least he/she tried to keep things comprehensible. From what she wrote I believe he was over 70. I wish the best to him/her and their kin.
Manhattan? Did someone say buy a guitar? Here’s a tribute, to the best guitarist of the past 20 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL8aeeSTthQ
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a “Motorized face scrubber” Shit, I got me one of them years ago! Only it is man powered. The guys at work call it a bitch slap! Pussies need not apply!
Bubblehead said: “it should be kept in mind that the positions of fleet ballistic missile submarines are classified top secret ”
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It should be kept in mind that China and Russia also have nuclear armed naval fleets and they are sending ships to the region, just in case the USA decides to start something with Iran.
The USA should think very carefully before launching any kind of pre-emptive or “defensive” (Gulf of Tonkin type) incident that could lead to full-out nuclear war.
The USA is no longer the world’s pre-eminent military power and will not decide the theatre of war. Retaliation will happen on USA soil. Besides that, the USA armed forces are weak, ignorant, inept, and morally corrupt. They are pissing on the cadavers of duty, honor and country.
The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has moved the atomic clock to five minutes before 12.
I love that bitch. I just wanna help her…
FWIW, I bought the Eric Johnson guitar tutorial video in ’94, and it was way beyond my skillset.
Oh, and yes, I caught G3 in concert 2 times. The first time was 11/7/96, Johnson/Satriani/Vai. The second time was 7/27/97, Johnson/Satriani/Shepherd. Trust-you-me, that second time did *NOT* have Fripp in place of Johnson (as wiki would suggest). I saw Fripp/King Crimson in 6/20/95, and Fripp was a pathetic closet-case – the guy couldn’t even play in public (he played behind the curtain), and he was a very mediocre guitarist, skill-set wise. That’s not to say I don’t love the album Red…
Must also give credit where it’s due – Night of the Guitar. Randy California, Peter Haycock, Steve Hunter, Ted Turner, Steve Howe…
Some Austin City Limits, for you rednecks out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eu7ar5EKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9sMTTd802k
Not to beat a dead horse, but how can someone argue that the Maunder Minimum and Dalton Minimum periods were anything more, than too few observers 2-4 centuries ago (when the sh!t was first being measured), and sh!tty optical equipment/”blind” observers (20/20 in 15th/16th centuries)?!…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
Come on – we’ve got about 1-2 years before peak solar irradiance/sunspot max. Who exactly was suggesting that sunspot rates are going down *NOW*? All data shows we are ramping up, ever since about mid 2009 (both irradiance and sunspot counts)…
Sunspot data: ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/
/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SUNSPOT_NUMBERS/INTERNATIONAL/2008/2008
/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SUNSPOT_NUMBERS/INTERNATIONAL/2009/2009
/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SUNSPOT_NUMBERS/INTERNATIONAL/2010/2010
/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SUNSPOT_NUMBERS/INTERNATIONAL/2011/2011
Clearly, that data shows an increase in the number of sunspots, right up to the end of 2011.
Now who was the fucking babble-on-frothing-at-the-mouth-moron who claimed sunspots were *DOWN* now? (Kurt Cagle? “given indications of decreasing sunspot activity of the sun”)
Wow, babble on moron, you bullshit artist! They ALL believed your lies (even Soker)!!! *BELIEVE DAT*
“But least he/she tried to keep things comprehensible.”
Seriously? You believe that? Q was a RI (resident impediment), mainly “contributing” by flaming/correcting spelling, punctuation or grammar. And when he didn’t do those things (2-5% of the time), he trolled about his stock investments.
I guarantee you, though, that he is/was merely a sock puppet of another mother-F** multiple poaster here. Multitudes, indeed (5 or 7? More like 6 or 9).
“The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has moved the atomic clock to five minutes before 12.”
WTF?!? Hasn’t it been 3 minutes to midnight, for 30+++ years? Oh well, I guess we bought ourselves 2 minutes, according to you, *SOMEHOW*:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYK0HD4p8F0
I guess everyone’s INTERNETS are down tonite – LULZ!!! Muhahaha!!! GoGoGo, Anonymous!!! Happy *dreamz*. Put one hand in your pocket, and withdraw with the *OTHAH*…
Multitudes, indeed (5 or 7? More like 6 or 9).
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Try 23. Mother-F***** controls CFN. Mother-F***** is CFN. Playing all the roles, talking to himself.
IxNoMor = Asoka
“Pucker —
When you become president, one thing that happens overnight is that you and everyone you love get a bunch of new nicknames.
I was already pretty used to this. But “FLOTUS,” short for First Lady of the United States, is really something else.
I’m writing because our FLOTUS, Michelle, turns 48 on Tuesday, and I know I’m not her only fan out there.
Will you join me in wishing her a happy birthday?
The decision to become part of this campaign was deeply personal for a lot of people, and Michelle and I are no exception. But we both knew, like anyone else who believes in what we’re trying to do here, that this was never going to be easy.
This fall, Michelle and I will have been married 20 years. The next 10 months will be harder than any we’ve experienced together, and I couldn’t do it without her. I know she’d love to hear from you today:
http://my.barackobama.com/For-Michelle
Thanks for your support,
Barack
P.S. — This weekend, people are getting together to volunteer in their communities in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Find out how you can join in at serve.gov.”
Soker, LOL!!! Ignore (ance) plays a vital part, now. Duh, the entire bought and payed for lobbyist oligarchy – legislative/executive/judicial!!! This one’s for you, my dear old black man, living in two different places, at the *SAME TIME*!
I’m glad I didn’t fsck my kids over with a collegiate 10x tuition/fee hike, over what it whuz, 20 years ago. Right in line with inflation, no? And thx to Dumbya, no way to get out of that debt via bankruptcy!!! Keep sleeping at the wheel, y’all!!!
Hahaha! It’s only a 30 mile drive each day, correct? What – 1 hour on the road, *NO CONCERNS WHATSOEVER*!!! 2-ton-death-metal-coffin notwithstanding!!!
“IxNoMor = Asoka”
Oh wait, I get it, “You and me, we’re the *same*!!!”
(Falling Down)
BIG CARS
I read that big pickups sold a lot in the USA in 2011, the ford F 150 more than 400,000, same for others, these are big engine V6, horsepower beasts, in most of the rest of the world they would be considered really big, etc. Figure that 1.2L 60 hp cars are even considered too small in the USA, while in most of the rest of the world, they are considered already medium sized and pretty good, and effectively, they are more than enough for most needs. So what gives ? If oil is running out, if resources are running out, if unemployment is “so high” in the USA, if there are all of these “economic problems”, etc what gives ? how come they keep on buying so many ? Because the Resource Scarcity crowd is simply WRONG: none of what they say corresponds to truth, they would like what they say to be true, but it isn’t. In fact, there really is no truth, it is all a subtle equilibrium of equally contrasting forces that never makes one force dominate over another, for every force operating against buying cars, there are equally the same number and the same strength of forces operating to buy them, etc. For every bad news about unemployment and the economy, there is an equally and contrasting good news about it, so it cancels out mostly, it just goes up and down (like the stock market, and if there was a real trend you could predict the stock market and win the game, but that is why the trends will never be right and will always change everyday) and back and forth like the stock market, never confirming any specific clear trend, always letting the opposing parties conflict about “How to interpret” reality, when in all truth, there simply is no interpretation, no trend, it doesn’t go any place at all, it goes where the wind brings it, no matter how many models, explanations and ideologies you try to apply to it all, it will always be false, or at most partially true, but even better just sounds cool and sounds true and most of all “sounds logical” and “makes sense” when all things social and economic are totally outside of any logic and making sense because governed by an unending set of totally unpredictable free will jokers killing any possible logic.
Time is simply reciprocal change, if all is still there is no time, time is generated the moment something changes compared to something else, like reciprocal frequencies that are all perfectly synchronized therefore not changing and no change can be perceived but as soon as one frequency skips a bit or changes just one moment, as soon as one bit of the flow of bits changes, time is created, events create time, the fourth dimension of time is produced, constructed and made. Like a matrix of dots each perfectly still, if one dot moves compared to its neighbors then that dot creates local time amongst the neighbors, but if the change stops at the those surrounding points and doesn’t propagate, time is only local, and valid only in the local space, if it propagates then the space in which that time (generated by the event) is valid is extended, and so on. Time is locally instantaneous mismatched frequencies, we are a time device as all of our body and mind is just a huge number of frequencies comparing themselves to an “external world”, creating time constantly by constantly changing all the mismatched frequencies, events generate time, time is not external, etc.
But most of all, all we do is occupy time, our activity must simply occupy time, we are bored items, boredom must be overcome by occupying as much time as possible with some duties, targets, tasks, endeavors and try to get as verbose as possible and repeat as much as possible so as to occupy as much time (especially the time of all the other clowns reading all this BS, since they all have loads of time thanks to the Excess Capacity of the Technological Economy handing it over to them for free). How much of our creations and constructions are simply due to the need to occupy time in some way ? I always think that as soon as we start to manipulate our Mind Brain, we will directly manipulate the feelings and pain/pleasures sections directly, no longer making them depend on some externalities, on some indirections, we enter pleasure loops or something like that, it will be fun to watch how all of our symbols, indirections therefore values, religions, metaphysics, whatever, all of our struggles with “contrasting will powers” and “what other people think of you” and all such crap, the very existence of “other minds” disintegrates all in a jiffy and finally demonstrates what it really is all about and what it all really was: a ghost, a fluke, an error, a false construction of reality based on making the feeling/pain/pleasure section of the Man Brain depend on external events and designs and things, just like those that want to make giving out money “depend on people working”, on external events, which really means external independent “contrasting (or making believe to collaborate, but only to hose you later) will powers” when free money should be given to all without any strings attached or conditions imposed as has been up to now due to a stone age APE MAN mentality.
I am worried about the killer, Vlad Kramp, he isn’t here anymore. Maybe he really did kill himself as I told him, sorry, he shouldn’t have taken the BS written here by me so seriously (anyone who takes the information I (or anyone else) vomit on the internet seriously is sick in the head, straight from the mouth of an APE). Oh well, it just happened. Things happen. Hey vlad, did you get that d*ldo ? you queer, you fagot, you old ugly nigger queer and fagot, you mair, you fairy, shpack a lach, shpeck a lek, lek a shpeck a shpek a lech a lek…
TOBOR RAPE APE
Blogs that generate sub blogs, vomit your information on the internet, keep on vomiting on the internet, all are welcome…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
Like trying to make something prettier by creating ever larger complex blocks of text, when it is all useless since either something is pretty instantly, automatically, with no strings attached, or it isn’t, it is digital, no amount of text will change the first judgment, the feel for it, whatever. But that contradicts the block of text that says:
“There is no stability, zero stability, therefore no external world, no world at all, only some vague expectations that could be totally contradicted, you could be totally surprised by how everything (your ideas, desires, values, what you liked or didn’t (substituted now ? you were a green now you are pro machines ? you loved vlad now you hate him ?) emotions, old reactions that no longer follow the old rules, whatever) is changed, 100 % changed, by just changing one bit of the configuration of the entire universe, everything is 100 % changed, you are 100 % changed, and the next moment changed back to where you were or what you were, but maybe to another thing totally different, and so on….”
Oh, but that was all wrong…
Study it all very carefully all over again, study all of nameta9’s post on ilovephilosophy for years on end, this will occupy your time, and you can extend upon on it, you can develop all the ideas further and insert new ones, be a good little boy and girl….
Just like JHK says he wants them to drill, drill for oil because he is sure they won’t find anymore, I can hardly wait for the most Right Wing Thug to win the USA elections: I hope he is the most extreme free market thug possible, I would love to see him slash everything dramatically, cut off all unemployment (lazy welfare queens and freeloaders, hate them with all your guts, they have to deserve it, “work hard”, there is all of this “opportunity” out there available, what are they waiting foe to “be their on boss and open their own company” ? there are thousands of new possible companies and ways to be your own boss, hire people and strike it rich! they all just want to stay at home and watch TV!), cut off the food stamps program (let them starve to death lazy slobs) completely erase the Obamacare (and hike the price of healthcare a hundred times, after all the doctors studied years and paid so much cash for their degree! where is any justice ?), fire millions of government workers, they are useless thugs, freeloaders, fire as many lazy slobs as possible, be fierce, how I would love them to be extremely fierce, beat the living daylights out of all these lazy slobs, go for it man, do it man, do it. I want to see people beat up each other, hate on each other, I want to see fights, I want to see the strong win and crush the weak, so cool! Such a great entertainment, so emotional too, so much fun! see so much suffering, finally justice on earth is achieved, the lazy slobs turds are punished and pain must be inflicted with no regards!
Correction for your thesis:
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
Just like JHK says he wants them to drill, drill for oil because he is sure they won’t find anymore, I can hardly wait for the most Right Wing Thug to win the USA elections: I hope he is the most extreme free market thug possible, I would love to see him slash everything dramatically, cut off all unemployment (lazy welfare queens and freeloaders, hate them with all your guts, they have to deserve it, “work hard”, there is all of this “opportunity” out there available, what are they waiting for to “be their on boss and open their own company” ? there are thousands of new possible companies and ways to be your own boss, hire people and strike it rich! they all just want to stay at home and watch TV!), cut off the food stamps program (let them starve to death lazy slobs) completely erase the Obamacare (and hike the price of healthcare a hundred times, after all the doctors studied years and paid so much cash for their degree! where is any justice ?), fire millions of government workers, they are useless thugs, freeloaders, fire as many lazy slobs as possible, be fierce, how I would love them to be extremely fierce, beat the living daylights out of all these lazy slobs, go for it man, do it man, do it. I want to see people beat up each other, hate on each other, I want to see fights, I want to see the strong win and crush the weak, so cool! Such a great entertainment, so emotional too, so much fun! see so much suffering, finally justice on earth is achieved, the lazy slobs turds are punished and pain must be inflicted with no regards!
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/this-ripe-moment.html
Just like JHK says he wants them to drill, drill for oil because he is sure they won’t find anymore, I can hardly wait for the most Right Wing Thug to win the USA elections: I hope he is the most extreme free market thug possible, I would love to see him slash everything dramatically, cut off all unemployment (lazy welfare queens and freeloaders, hate them with all your guts, they have to deserve it, “work hard”, there is all of this “opportunity” out there available, what are they waiting for to “be their own boss and open their own company” ? there are thousands of new possible companies they can decide to open and ways to be their own boss, hire people and strike it rich! they all just want to stay at home and watch TV!), cut off the food stamps program (let them starve to death lazy slobs) completely erase the Obamacare (and hike the price of healthcare a hundred times, after all the doctors studied years and paid so much cash for their degree! where is any justice ?), fire millions of government workers, they are useless thugs, freeloaders, fire as many lazy slobs as possible, be fierce, how I would love them to be extremely fierce, beat the living daylights out of all these lazy slobs, go for it man, do it man, do it. I want to see people beat up each other, hate on each other, I want to see fights, I want to see the strong win and crush the weak, so cool! Such a great entertainment, so emotional too, so much fun! see so much suffering, finally justice on earth is achieved, the lazy slobs turds are punished and pain must be inflicted with no regards!
That last post of 8man’s is one of the cruelest pieces of prose ever seen on CFN and it’s TOTALLY INCORRECT from a purely factual point of view. The “lazy slobs” who should “die” are actually underpaid people who do all of the NECESSARY work in society … ALL of it.
What has Mark Zuckerberg done that is a service VITAL to life?? Most of the “New Plutocracy” are people creating services absolutely tangential to life. Facebook is just the next MySpace and in five years Zuckerberg will have cashed out and left the company for the next sucker.
8man vacillates between scientific nonsense and Hitlerian cruelty. What a scary guy.
E.
I find Tebow to be a welcome change to the Watusi dances done after every touchdown, quarterback sack, or big offensive play that both black and white players do these days.
Tebow is a throwback to an era when you just handed the ball to the referee and went to the sidelines expecting nothing more than an “atta boy”.
People used to do good because they were raised to do good. Now if they do good they expect immediate recompense for it. These last two sentences just about sum up the social change starting in the 1980s.
E.
“More gold for the cheap electronics entertainment”
We need to fill the earth with chips and electronics, we are already selling a billion cell phones a year, that is great, we need trillions (and we are getting close) of capacitors and resistors SMD types, all kinds of chips. As they are constantly put in the earth, as they become land fill after land fill, they will start to become the next material to undergo Natural Evolution. Lightning will strike and every now and then make some chips live shortly, they will mix and match probabilistically and after thousands of years and so many devices, self autonomous new life forms made solely of electronics will start to live and become alive. After all, it is all a question of how Matter is configured and how the configuration is a starting point for another potential possibility, as a completely undetermined and random path of configurations of matter one after another. The number of possible ways Matter can be configured, mixed and matched is astronomical, but by creating so many chips, microprocessors, memories, and so many different designs, we are setting the stage for the next path of Natural Evolution, only that it won’t be based on (that huge turd of) Carbon Chemistry, but on electronics. Pure chance will combine these chips into new forms of DNA like functionalities (or even completey new kinds of functionalities our minds cannot comprehend), new forms of self evolving lifeforms.
I talked about superconductivity a while back: I think someone (ibedent ?) knows something about it, anyways, I rmember in the 1980s Cray wanted to make a supercomputer with GaAs but had to throw in the towl: that is an example of what I mean when I say our technological evolution was a one time quirk: only silicon chips and technology ended up really delivering all of the integration and speed, they tried a large number of alternatives, none ever worked, and I am sure that none will ever work: in this case Nature gives out a free lunch (through Silicon Technology and Moore’s law) only once in a blue moon and only very fleetingly, but the Standrad Economic Model keeps on imagining that we will have all of these new cycles of Innovation, Discovery, etc just like we had in Silicon Microprocessors and Moore’s law: just look at Battery technology and how there is no free lunch there, or Fusion Energy (they thought it would have been as easy as Fission etc.).
This expectation of the future will be like the past is flawed. Now only random evolution by pure probability (not by the mind and logic) will bring forth new combinations and configurations of matter and will bring it to new heights.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=4&t=150657
“Maybe we have reverse engineered evolution. Maybe on some distant planet silicon and electricity evolved microprocessors that then started evolving to the point of being able to manipulate carbon atoms and design us. Then we were thrown on other planets and after many generations rediscovered digital electronics and chips etc. So the cycle may be first silicon itself evolved into computers directly, then these computers got so smart as to design biological matter and then we rediscovered our roots by reinventing chips.
Interesting idea; a silicon planet with metals and all kinds of heavy elements that slowly evolves into a cpu that slowly evolves into a superbrain that manipulates carbon atoms. Maybe bacteria are their computers! It sounds far out but if you look at it from the “end result” , a CPU is effectively much much simpler than a bacteria. It could be possible if evolution goes from simpler to more complex items.
So maybe evolution started on other planets with other elements and other processes we can’t even imagine…….
Why call that “spontaneous generation” and call carbon molecules that synthesize into amino acids that automatically evolve into DNA and cells and bacteria and man “evolution” ? Is it just an “aesthetical” choice ? Fundamentally we are always talking about physical systems that “spontaneously” evolve into complex forms and processes. Why should this be allowed and apply only to carbon molecules ? A silicon planet could have storms and electricity and germanium that “evolve” into a full blown 8080 CPU and then a pentium and then a trillion bit CPU etc…..
Or maybe the strange new processes occur in a superfluid ocean where self organized vortices grow larger and larger with turbulance and then become intelligent and manipulate carbon atoms and then decide to design US humans. Then they threw us around the galaxy and here we are. ”
“More gold for the cheap electronics entertainment”
We need to fill the earth with chips and electronics, we are already selling a billion cell phones a year, that is great, we need trillions (and we are getting close) of capacitors and resistors SMD types, all kinds of chips. As they are constantly put in the earth, as they become land fill after land fill, they will start to become the next material to undergo Natural Evolution. Lightning will strike and every now and then make some chips live shortly, they will mix and match probabilistically and after thousands of years and so many devices, self autonomous new life forms made solely of electronics will start to live and become alive. After all, it is all a question of how Matter is configured and how the configuration is a starting point for another potential possibility, as a completely undetermined and random path of configurations of matter one after another. The number of possible ways Matter can be configured, mixed and matched is astronomical, but by creating so many chips, microprocessors, memories, and so many different designs, we are setting the stage for the next path of Natural Evolution, only that it won’t be based on (that huge turd of) Carbon Chemistry, but on electronics. Pure chance will combine these chips into new forms of DNA like functionalities (or even completely new kinds of functionalities our minds cannot comprehend), new forms of self evolving lifeforms. Completely new and incredible potential “Experiences Matter may Undergo”.
I talked about superconductivity a while back: I think someone (ibedent ?) knows something about it, anyways, I remember in the 1980s Cray wanted to make a supercomputer with GaAs but had to throw in the towl: that is an example of what I mean when I say our technological evolution was a one time quirk: only silicon chips and technology ended up really delivering all of the integration and speed, they tried a large number of alternatives, none ever worked, and I am sure that none will ever work: in this case Nature gives out a free lunch (through Silicon Technology and Moore’s law) only once in a blue moon and only very fleetingly, but the Standard Economic Model keeps on imagining that we will have all of these new cycles of Innovation, Discovery, etc just like we had in Silicon Microprocessors and Moore’s law: just look at Battery technology and how there is no free lunch there, or Fusion Energy (they thought it would have been as easy as Fission etc.).
This expectation of the future will be like the past is flawed. Now only random evolution by pure probability (not by the mind and logic) will bring forth new combinations and configurations of matter and will bring it to new heights.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=4&t=150657
“Maybe we have reverse engineered evolution. Maybe on some distant planet silicon and electricity evolved microprocessors that then started evolving to the point of being able to manipulate carbon atoms and design us. Then we were thrown on other planets and after many generations rediscovered digital electronics and chips etc. So the cycle may be first silicon itself evolved into computers directly, then these computers got so smart as to design biological matter and then we rediscovered our roots by reinventing chips.
Interesting idea; a silicon planet with metals and all kinds of heavy elements that slowly evolves into a cpu that slowly evolves into a superbrain that manipulates carbon atoms. Maybe bacteria are their computers! It sounds far out but if you look at it from the “end result” , a CPU is effectively much much simpler than a bacteria. It could be possible if evolution goes from simpler to more complex items.
So maybe evolution started on other planets with other elements and other processes we can’t even imagine…….
Why call that “spontaneous generation” and call carbon molecules that synthesize into amino acids that automatically evolve into DNA and cells and bacteria and man “evolution” ? Is it just an “aesthetical” choice ? Fundamentally we are always talking about physical systems that “spontaneously” evolve into complex forms and processes. Why should this be allowed and apply only to carbon molecules ? A silicon planet could have storms and electricity and germanium that “evolve” into a full blown 8080 CPU and then a pentium and then a trillion bit CPU etc…..
Or maybe the strange new processes occur in a superfluid ocean where self organized vortices grow larger and larger with turbulence and then become intelligent and manipulate carbon atoms and then decide to design US humans. Then they threw us around the galaxy and here we are. ”
We get the navy magazine “All Hands” for free when attending SUBVETs meetings down on the lakefront at the USS Cod, a WWII diesel boat tied up in Cleveland between the naval reserve center and Burke Lakefront Airport. One of the articles featured a chief complaining about new naval recruits today, who he described as “narcissistic praise junkies”. When I was in, during the period immediately after the war in Vietnam, the lifers such as P.O. 1st and chiefs ALL called us “shitbird”, even if we’d gotten an appointment to Officer Candidate’s School, or maybe ESPECIALLY if you’d gotten an a slot at Annapolis, for instance. At the time I thought that that was refreshing. That’s what the master chief called Randy Quaid in “The Last Detail” as he was being taken to the naval prison in Maine. Looks like thirty years of giving all the kids trophies even when they lose has destroyed their moral fiber.
Never heard of it. Looked it up and it seems to be SONAR related. My job consisted chiefly of paperwork in the navigation or quartermaster division. On the fast attacks we did operate the electronics ourselves. On the boomers the electronics technicians simply phoned us with the position every half hour or so.
Sorry the Silicon to Man link was:
Intelligent Design Without God
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=144656
The Russians have a shitty navy which is now small and poorly maintained and the Chinese have even less. The American and British commonwealth navies are fully integrated operationally and there is simply no one else in the world who could even contemplate standing up to them. After all, we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined. Naval operations are extremely complex and the Anglo-Americans took centuries to get to where they are now. In a way this is bad because we waste so much money on the military. Nonetheless, these other powers you mention are really land powers and their fleets are third rate at best, or in the case of the Chinese, not even that. Chinese submarines are extremely noisy so the Americans could sink them in short order without even getting excited about anything. The Russians are barely capable of repairing their ships. The Indians and the Brazilians have better naval air wings than the Chinese, for instance. I think that the Iranians should be more careful about the Israelis though. The Israelis are extremely dangerous. The Israelis bought a couple of extremely quiet German diesel boats and then probably armed them with nuclear tipped cruise missiles. In spite of all this I view the Americans as being stupid for getting involved in these ridiculous police actions on the mainland of Asia, just as the British ruined their empire by getting involved in large ground wars in South Africa then later on in Europe and Asia during the world wars. You could be right though in suspecting that matters might not turn out well for us [again].
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
Scroll over this post (all posts ?), I am (have always been ?) vomiting on the Internet, as usual.
With regards to the Silicon to Man transition Matter may undertake, as described in :
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=144656
two things come to mind:
1) As the previous examples showed, the two identical persons may be exactly the same with one alive and one dead, but there is no reason for this, so in a sense, the entire deal of simple Matter self manipulating itself to create a complex contraption that is alive may not have any reason at all, no reason at all is a good reason, no explanation at all is the simplest explanation, hence Science has finished its task. The observation is the explanation.
2) The fact that simple matter can goof around and play around with itself and create a Man Brain (or especially a simple cell that is way beyond anything we can make), while the Man Brain with its logic and theories and all the decodings and logic applied to reality can’t even create the simplest life form from first principles may mean that either the reason for this is:
1) Just Because, there is No Reason, No Explanation is the Simplest and most Correct Explanation, you can’t say or do or “occupy more time (as the subtle reason why we do all is to occupy time and waste time and search and try to find some cheap thrills)” on this situation, the story is ended, Science has Concluded its Task, suck it up and go home and watch TV;
2) Matter Self Manipulating itself can transit from very simple to very complex constructions (through Trial and Error also known as Natural Evolution), said constructions having repetitive patterns and processes, occupying ever longer sequences of planned events for ever longer time spans (think a human cell is born and lives for 80 years and all the “intentionalities of use” implicit in the design of the cells from the very start, like hands and eyes, etc.) all by itself, by pure chance, without any reasoning or logic, without any consciousness like all our thought processes are, by pure BLIND FORCES. While our very elaborate and best thought processes can’t ( follow the sequence BLIND FORCES perform in their transit ?) transit from very complex (the Man Brain guiding the process) to much simpler (although complex) like a simple living cell.
This means that pure BLIND FORCES are much smarter than our Man Brain will ever be, or that:
There are hidden layers of logic, hidden thought patterns and structures and systems operating which we can never have access to or which we will eventually have access to but only by getting farther and farther away from our common thought sequences and logics and sequence of symbols, hence only through totally new designs of Man Brains, thought structures, as the new Man Brain may be a chunk of matter configured to resonate and have more contact points with what Natural Evolution did (and thought and designed, since evolution is just a subset of a particular kind of Intelligent Design) than our puny one transistor circuit man Brain.
Am I OK now ? Am I OK ? I will never be OK…
AN APE
“One had to go into therapy to break up with me – that is the power of my magnetic personality…”
Um…it was probably AFTER the breakup to try to resolve just why she got involved with such a fuckedup mother like you in the first place.
She is probably a nice lesbian now. Like most of your ex’s. Hmmm… wonder if they all meet at a cafe someplace to discuss you? Have to check around Portland next time I’m up.
😉
Bubblemarc, that was true in the 20th century. Now, according to CFN pundits, the USA is broke. The military is scaling back as a consequence. It is no longer possible for the USA to maintain such an expensive naval force.
For example, Los Angeles-class submarines are aging. By the year 2020, the USA military intends to have built 30 nuclear attack submarines.
However, by the year 2016, all of the Los Angeles-class submarines will exceed 30 years of service life.
Do you think a weak and broke USA will be able to foot the great expense of replacing the Los Angeles-class submarines with Virginia-class vessels?
Not if the word “broke” means anything.
USA naval superiority is quickly becoming a thing of the past as we move into the 21st century. And the Chinese are learning from our experience.
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Awww, thats beautiful man, just beautiful…
I couldn’t have said it better….
Its interesting, but I read an US Naval analysis someplace else that since the Chinese have no chance of equaling the US navy in Carriers or missile subs, they have instead decided to develop & deploy missiles that can take out the US ships. Thus they have built over the past few years new missiles that are considered the highest threat to the US’s most important assets. Plus they are developing technologies to track and target the subs that seem to be pretty effective. They have evidently deployed warships to the areas where US subs have been detected on a consistent basis, meaning that they can now locate and track with a high degree of accuracy. This means they can also sink them if needed. The carriers are especially vulnerable to the new breed of super-sonic anti-ship missiles. Also recently in US wargames, Chinese submarinese have suddenly ‘poped-up’ within range of the carriers without being detected before hand.
I would not write off the Chinese so quickly. They are also developing new, very sophisticate aircraft that are the equal of anything the US has now.
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Speaking of mulit-pesonality disorders: old69, 8man & tegmark.
Guys, can JUST one of you do the posting please? Your making this blog way too long with all the multi-posts each one of your personalities feels the need to post.
Thanks, 🙂
I used to find this blog refreshing and unifying. However, as I look over the recent writings of the past few weeks, I am feeling more disillusioned than ever. People are responding to Jim in so many ways that a unifying thought seems lost in the rabble. There is no one thought or set of thoughts that seem to unify. Instead, everyone seems to argue their point of view endlessly. This is a microcosm of the world as we see it today. Everyone listens to the news, and thinks that if they agree with someone they like, they feel as though they have found the answers to the problems, or have found the correct questions that need to be addressed. It is very disheartening, and depressing. I haven’t written a while because it seems like a hopeless cause.Does anybody really care what anyone has to say? I think not. We are swept away in our own worlds never really knowing the questions or answers that would only open us to an awareness that this mess is a whole lot bigger than anyone can solve. Completely confused and not even aware of it.
Hopefully, pray this time of chaos leads humanity to a better place.we seems to be looking for a leader that will help us find that place. For some reason, when the time is right a new leader will emerge. Untilthen, all we have is the constant bickering of the people on the boob tube telling us they have the keys to the worlds problems. I don’t believe any of them do.
“…all we have is the constant bickering of the people on the boob tube telling us they have the keys to the worlds problems. I don’t believe any of them do.” -Insuff
Well now, there’s something right there [most] all of us can agree upon and coalesce around! ;o)
Don’t be too discouraged, this is a time of uncertainty and panic, so everybody desires to be “correct” in their opinions, giving the illusion of certainty and stability.
Hold tight and don’t catch the panic virus; things are just starting down the path to FUBAR-land.
this mess is a whole lot bigger than anyone can solve.
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Perhaps that is why the blog is called ClusterFuck Nation?
like you know is wrong, but I still stuck to the same mistake again, because I do not want to miss this life because you
like to see your smile, like to listen to your words, like you all!
is an eternal topic of love, some people find happiness in love,
love to see someone in the wound, was ecstatic,
people cry, some people do not find standing at the crossroads of love to the direction of the … …
face the choice, I do not want to miss, but know what to flawless, love is so people can not digest, no one can be said clearly … …
how much love can be life and death on earth bald, how many conditions can be Forever? It may not marry his own favorite, and you love life you may not be able to marry. How many of the lovers do not go into each other’s life, similar to the afterlife only hard, but came into the marriage, but love will not cherish each other’s pay, so remember cherish love themselves, to each flat today have a good grasp. A precious affection, dedication ten million blessings, give I miss you, no matter how far we, like your heart is always the same. Give you my most sincere wishes and deep thoughts.
pray for you, wish you peace, joy! Late at night, countless stars light up, write your name in the sky, when the meteor across time, you can put my thoughts and prayers to you!
life I do not want to miss you, you know?
me cold, but fell in love with snow;
afraid of the dark, but Fall in love with the night;
; afraid of the pain,Juicy Coutrure Sweaters, yet get yourself scarred;
I hate fun, but fear of loneliness …..
I fell in love with you, but you are afraid that one day you walked away;
I like happy, sad, but still shed tears for you.
once thought that I was in your heart forever spring, but I forgot the cold spring followed by autumn and winter.
once thought that I can quit feeling, ring net, ring sad, but I forgot, but it is most difficult to quit you.
like at the moment, because you and I met the season;
like the night, have your companionship;
like loneliness, a sweet thoughts;
like you, you are the only world.
who I can not complain, but can not blame love, guilt, though you make me sad, so I am tired.
fact, I have to much, a glass of water, a piece of bread.
If a few more, I hope, you pour the water, and bread that you cut, I love you, you personally said to me!
except you, who else is worthy of my tears … …
miss you, I cry, I am drunk, I tears. Be in addition to the wind, who can understand my grief
know about a person by the fate of a person by a patient
conquered by wisdom
harmony through inclusiveness
you When hardship is timely
never betray you, when stability is never betray
Heart Xiangxi
proud when you betray
is icing on the cake
do not have to love a person but with a person with
it must wait for a good love
love but who can not spend
also need a sincere and generous heart
all grievances are
hide the scars are all hidden from
Because I was afraid to see your eyes
have any unhappy because I was afraid to listen
to your faint resentment that
gently sigh
Because I am afraid you have signs of pain I can let yourself suffer
but I do not want to hurt you than I do that
his injury
more pain made me uncomfortable because it makes me guilty
mind more full of deep regret
but I do not want your sad
your pain
though you can only deeply loved the
I can not spend the day and night people
each month but I hope you are happy every moment of happiness
the
every minute of the
which are safe enough to rest assured I will not pray too much
I can not imagine too much.
waiting for such a
you can only love people who can not spend no regrets
I willingly but I do not understand why this
love hurt pain tired
can not refuse you can not give up on love
I can only love you forever silent
quietly waiting for such a
only love you can not spend the together people
remember you said is not easy to love a person more difficult to forget someone
love someone is painful painful thing
Why I can not stop my pay
think a person is tired of the tired thing
why I can not deny your Acacia
such a thing is silly silly Why do I still come to their senses
I only know that your heart waiting for you so you
intention of waiting for such a
only love but can not spend with the people
twenty years
felt pretty nice
three-year-old feel young and nice
that forty five years old that have money nice
feel healthy too nice 60 nice
seventy feel alive feel happy nice
short life do not care about the number of gains and losses are particularly healthy and happy
best
years old, although the face of relentless blowing
but it is donated to our beautiful seasons
let us enjoy the spring flowers in autumn and winter full moon to see the snow wind
Xiamu Qing
step in a lengthy measuring long
happy days every day is always happy to net a blue color
do confidant
every woman, deep down have a Complex: want to have a male confidant.
he is not her husband, not a lover, but your spirit lives in the area of ??that person, he does not
To handsome, not necessarily older than you, but he must mature, wise, understanding … …
he has a man of charitable spirit tolerance, but also a man of Rouchang Darling. You and he were
of health, social, and he talked about your ideal mood; you and he does not need face to face each other, you
and he kept his phone, often laughing. You always talk endlessly, he silently whenever
always listen to your voice. He is in addition to your other half than most people know you that
, sometimes even if you do not tell you some of the other half of that but you will talk to him
share your story, some with others but you can not say things sorted out, he said, with such a
a male confidant is the same as a psychiatrist more than you, more a spiritual diary. He’s like
bins, pretend to be all of your bad mood; him like air conditioners, sent hot air to send cold.
he was in trouble when you, your most loyal listeners, your truest friend, he will not because you chatter
away from you, because you will not importune you disdain, he will tell you things
the best solution, and then accompany you out of your Yinhui sky, while in
you happy, He will fade out your vision, quietly happy with your happiness! he is your health
hit real friends!!!
that between you and him kinds of emotions, the kind of friendship than in the ordinary, and not simply the
classified to the fourth class of feelings of love, which ranged between friendship and love, maybe you override it in friendship and love
above, may be in your heart it is a friendship and love is more profound than the more abundant
rich feelings.
In fact, you and he is bound to be two disjoint segments, the two flashes in the sky is not never
star collision, not brewed fruit of love, and, Do you think it seems obscene about love between you
ditch of the feelings, whi
ch can only be a supernatural, and above the feelings of love and friends on the innocent
alternative emotions. Because they have such a transcendent emotion, you know how to become more
the strong life, smile through that dull life. Even without growing old together,
you still enchants, as you have and remember those endless fantasy, recall the past, fantasy is not to ……
have such a friend, to have such a feeling, pure yet warm, sincere but lingering. You want him to read him, you deep in my heart for this man left a small space, quietly stick to the share indefinable emotion. Perhaps you knew them only a few days, you had better forget him completely shift the cost of your life, even his life he will be entrenched in your heart of hearts, but you are very grateful to fate, thank God for giving you such a person, a you no longer alone in this world, no longer lonely, even painful, but also better than the numbness and pale … …
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author made a good woman is also the case that men do not mention it, feelings of men and women this world has always been equal. not like the other half of the third party to listen to their voice, find their own spiritual sustenance, there is a perfect rely on by two butterflies dancing in it, such as flowers.
reality, so a woman, they may no longer have a beautiful youth, and even has entered middle age, but who exudes a charming mature temperament. The mature like fine wine, the longer the more fragrant, it is especially charmed men, whom intoxicated. mature woman is not necessarily beautiful, but who definitely have a taste of their own, after all, only a few natural beauty of a woman, and acquired the shape and temperament but can be cultivated. beautiful woman of bright spots, there are unique qualities of the woman is memorable.
mature woman wearing clothes, no longer as young girls and recognize only the popular style, but also pay attention to the texture of clothing, workmanship, detail, etc. Simple and elegant styles, on different occasions to wear different clothing, body accessories much, but everywhere decent, and clothes seamless, consistent style mature woman is not makeup, not makeup, apply a thin makeup, you can make them look cool and pleasant. and constant attention to detail on makeup, do not get to spend the face. the monster into a face like a woman, it looks like a show, can not have intimacy. mature women do not busy hands busy feet, life a mess, but to work, family, arranged in perfect order, love life and know how to enjoy life, constantly practicing their own, to develop some of the elegant fun-loving, not only enriched the contents of their own lives, but also to enhance a woman’s taste.
mature woman no longer manic panic hair, catch, When things work steady, calm, rest assured that the leadership, respect for subordinates. with people, friendly easy-going but always maintain an appropriate distance does not care about life, chicken intestines, know how to treat people and things around too tolerant of mature Women are neither artificial soft correction, posturing, not secretive, hypocritical hypocritical, gestures are a natural and magnanimous. no matter what the occasion, are graceful, to laugh to laugh for laugh, cry on the happy cry, do a real self, living a simple and happy. mature woman not only belong to her husband and children, but their own, independent of the economy, independent thinking, independent personality. treat yourself to leave the party for their own spiritual space. some women , all to their own husband and children, but often could not find their own.
mature women are not passive non-inferiority, open mind, peace of mind, agile and capable, from the inside out reveal a positive, self-confidence. optimism brings happy woman, no one likes to associate with. with a confident woman, who will be adding a lot of charm. mature woman is no longer naive, worldly, after years of The vicissitudes, clearly asked for their own needs, insight into the ways of the world, know the meaning of life. cherish Thanksgiving, Tolerance tolerance, side was peace of mind. like a rich book, ever more interesting, the more products the more flavored. not exposed mature women to express their sexy attire, but to create a charming atmosphere, from the ribs distribute their tenderness and charm. not with their own face and body to seduce a man’s eye, but with their own temperament and thinking to seize the man’s soul.
mature women treat men will not be too active or warm, subtle and there is a point reserved, gentle, there is a strong point, so neither cold, and arrogant people can not close, not just the people easily into her heart. always fascination for men, and dare not touch it. mature woman is no longer the little girl is so presumptuous as advertised, with a sort of kind of atmosphere , calm, tolerant, noble and charming, gentle and graceful, like a poem, like a fragrant jasmine, like a pool of clear, but do not see in the end of the lake, full of wisdom, full of spirituality. the young men only when it is be infatuated with a woman’s beauty, when men have a certain experience, experienced many vicissitudes of time, will pay more attention to appreciate a woman’s inner beauty. Their beauty of the soul, the United States in the bearing, the United States in the content, so distributed mature temperament of a woman’s most charming.
1. Do you think the most sour feeling jealous? not, the most acid of jealous feeling is not right.
2. men With the smoke, with wine, and will have a story; woman money, with good looks, and will have a tragedy.
3. bow to the courage, looked to have emboldened. 4 God determines who is your relative, fortunately, in the choice and friends you left it to the room.
5. Life is like a cup of tea, will not suffer a lifetime, but always hard for a while.
6. stupid and not stupid, you will not play the fool to see.
7. spoke not serious, when the silence is too hard .
8. to refuse to love a woman with friendship, friendship in exchange for a man with love.
9. Happiness is learning to get through, although it is not our mother tongue. 10. The so-called love, then, is that you do not believe that some of their words, they want them to believe.
11. do not see a loved one, too much love, your love will depreciate.
12. would like to fully understand a man, it is best not to do his lover, and do his friends.
13. God will not make things difficult for simple-minded children .
14. a friend is to see through you, but also people like you.
15. When we move away the stumbling block to others under the frame, perhaps it is precisely for their own paving.
16. more want to know they are not forgotten, but I remember more clearly.
17. the pain is coming do not always ask: I know the truth more than others, it is because I made more mistakes than others.
20. not the sentence Only people who can not figure out the world, no dead end.
22. the earth is in motion, a person will not always in a bad position.
23. The most urgent is to take the most beautiful scenery, the deepest injury is the most real emotions.
24. are back too much desire, so heavy meteor will fall; are hidden too many lies, so we broke up will hurt.
25. the facts, we are the imagination of the more developed, more disastrous the consequences.
26. When people start say you are crazy, you far away from success … …
27. you never see the tears of my eyes, because I will cry when you are not.
28. ; Wow, the public can Quchong, also out of favor.
29. Time is like a net, where you spread your harvest on where.
30. ; If I can see their backs, I think it must be very sad, because I have the p
leasure to stay in the front.
31. always a gap between ideal and reality, and fortunately there are gaps, or , who rare ideal?
32. is always shiny gold, but when the floor of gold, I do not know what pieces of the.
33. ; a lifetime ago that people are lying to themselves; that there is next life who deceive others.
34. Anyone can become vicious, as long as you tried envy.
35. ; often told myself not to hang in a tree, the result … … lost in the woods.
36. Love is like sand in the hand grip, grip more tightly, the loss of more fast.
37. There are two tragedies in life: one is not wanted, the other is to get the things you do not want.
38. mature heart is not changed old, but the tears in the eyes of the spin still keep smiling.
39. a man – when he does not belong to you, make you sigh what is perfect; when she belongs to you, let what you sigh is true.
40. vexatious, will have some plans.
41. regards should not be solemnly, but it must be sincere and moving.
42. ; to do and not do the biggest difference is: the latter has the right to comment on the former.
43. who was pretty as a beautiful living.
44. some things, knows to be wrong, they can go to insist, as reconciled; some people, knowing that love is also going to give up, because there is no end
Bureau; Sometimes, though there was no way of , still in progress, as used to.
45. the same bottle of beverage, convenience store and two dollars, five-star restaurant 60, a lot of time, a person’s value depends on
position.
46. Women who have capacity for Yue, who makes herself male poor.
47. each person is born when original, sadly, many people gradually became pirates.
48. not to mention the others head is sick, sick mind of the prerequisite is to have a brain.
49. really bad is not terrible, terrible is the false good.
50. romance is wearing a beautiful dress, but you can not wear it all day.
51. the all the ordinary thing to do that is extraordinary, the simple thing to do all that simple.
52. there should be a better way to start the day than waking each morning in wake up.
53. the busy work is not free to do good, to not live with salt is not short of wonderful.
54. couple is among the most contradictory place the future of fantasy with each other, but always thinking about each other’s past.
55. What is romantic? is knowing that she does not like you, still send 99 roses to her. What is waste? is knowing that she likes you also
sent 99 roses to her.
56. busy is a blessing, let us no time to feel pain; run around is a pleasure, let We truly experience life; fatigue is a shared
by, let us no time to empty.
57. ideal is full, the reality is very skinny.
58 is a happy man kissing a woman, a man kissing a woman is a delicious food.
59. Love always better than the sanctity of marriage, marital love affordable than ever.
60. Explore the journey is not found in the New World, but to develop a new perspective.
61. The intention different, persevering, where superior quality.
62. a person can go more away, depending on who he peers; how good a person, depending on who he pointing; how successful a person, depending on who accompanied him
.
63 . sigh is a waste of time things, crying is a waste of effort acts.
64. I can choose to give up, but I can not choose to give up!
65. not everyone can live a low-key, low-key can be based on high profile at all.
66. love is like peeling an onion, there is always a layer of make you cry.
67. The ancients said, old, came to understand their photos are shot to look.
69. if not happy and do not frown, because you never know who will fall in love with your smile.
70. When most people are concerned about your flying Gaobu Gao, only a handful of people care about you fly tired, which is friendship.
71. did not mention not because of forgotten, but is because the mind.
72. Some people say that love is the last generation in this life debt owed to the situation also – some vulgar my previous life, so life without debt can also.
73. Let the future come to past in the past.
74. small happiness with me, heaven is easily satisfied.
75. there is a side effect of success, is that the past practice equally well in the future.
76. The reason angels can fly is because they are themselves very lightly … …
77. assaying can fire, a woman can test Kim, a woman can try a man.
78. like a man, is very happy together; love a person, that is, if not happy, and I think together.
79. alone is a person’s carnival, carnival is a group of people alone.
80. humor is a cry, there was a smile of interest.
81. coffee bitter and sweet , is not how mixing, but rather whether the sugar; a pain, not to forget how, but rather have the courage to re-
new beginning.
82. The reason why people Huode Lei, because the shelf does not fit, do not tear open face, untied plot.
83. nice treat, only to provide for others, not necessarily for the well-being.
84 If good faith is an injury, please choose a lie; if a lie is an injury, please silence; if silence when an injury, please
choose to leave.
85. beautiful so that men stop, wisdom, let man stay.
86. life is not the most exciting moment of realization of a dream, but rather to uphold the dream process.
87 life, the well-being depends on the temperature of the soul.
88. If you set for yourself all the objectives have been achieved, then show that you set lofty goals is not enough.
89 . life can will, life can be stress.
90. good Never look back, because back when no grass.
91. a woman Liquid tears are useless, but you make a woman cry that you are very useless.
92. intolerable, it re-brook.
93. sleep shows up tomorrow, but also .
94. to pay really, really will be, it may hurt complete; keep their distance, in order to protect themselves, but destined never lonely.
95. make dreams come true best way to wake up.
96. tell the truth the biggest benefit is that you do not have to remember what you say.
97. Sometimes, not the other do not care about you, and you see the other side too.
98. nonsense is the relationship of the first sentence. 99 plan changes as soon
100 Do not let the past keep you in the halls of sorrow 101 to hell when you fall in time to believe there are angels that guard you!
102 every choice in life are turning!
103 camouflage this world too, who really 99 injured who will change faster than planned
104 do not promise, a promise is a debt owed.
Dee (and BHMarc),
Yep, we may have big muscle but the Chinese and Russkies got smarter and leaner by simple deterrent necessity. We shouldn’t discount the capability to take out navigational/spy satellites either.
I feel the most important “cog” in any military machine is who cries havoc and looses the dogs of war. Scarily, those who would do so [in this country] know even less about military systems and their efficacy and how they mesh with others than I do! (And I don’t “study up” on it; just get what very little I know by osmosis.)
Hubris brings Nemesis; what could be more evident, obvious, and dangerous?
Fred sez:
“One does not let children play with chainsaws.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30228.htm
Chinese submarinese have suddenly ‘poped-up’ within range of the carriers without being detected before hand.
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You are right, DeeJones, that the Chinese should not be written off so quickly.
The Chinese are learning quickly. For example, if you remember the collision of San Francisco with an underwater mountain on 8 January 2005, the Chinese analyzed that event extensively.
The Chinese noted that the damage San Francisco incurred would have amounted to a “mission kill” and if the San Francisco collision had occurred during wartime, and crew members had experienced such wounds, the San Francisco would essentially lose its basic combat effectiveness.
Thus did the Chinese come to the realization that submarines do not have to be destroyed in order to lose combat effectiveness. You can bet that has influenced subsequent Chinese operational calculations.
WTFTSTFizzat??? (tm CFT)
**whew**
And then there’s this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30225.htm
More gobsmacking dumbfuckery from the best and brightest “military minds” goin’!
But hey, these blinkered fuckers are “qualified” to run the world, right?
Place yer bets…
insuf- keep in mind that, just like the world at large, there are those of us here who are new to the scene, as well as the usual complement of folks who ARE trying to find solutions (often that involves identifying the problem, first) to be applied…i have some things to contribute in the way of basic survival in TLE, for example i d recommend all of you do whatever it takes to get your grubby little mitts on a copy of jethro kloss’ back to eden- basically describes how almost any plant can be used in some capacity as food or medicine…did you know, for example, that iris bulbs can greatly ameliorate cold symptoms, in tea? full disclosure: he was very in to colonic washes- i just ignore that one; the book is very informative despite that…
Cite your sources, a..
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JIW/is_1_61/ai_n24959889/
Especially when you plagiarize without quotation marks.
“I used to find this blog refreshing and unifying.”
-insufferable-
Good to hear from you insuf.
Looks like CFN needed a “nudge” to get the dialog going again. Thanks for providing it.
Good stuff, BHM. You’ve got the “insider knowledge” that makes for good understanding, here.
Especially in submarine warfare and haircutting, your two areas of greatest expertise.
And Dee, did that Chinese sub “pop up” by complete surprise – or did that US operations group track it all the way in. My bets would be on “tracking all the way in.” But only a few people know for sure. And they are sworn to secrecy for years to come.
No shit but what then were the Korean War and the Vietnam War about? The commies took over South Vietnam by 1975 and who gave a damn outside of folks in the immediate area? Nobody I can think of.
On the other side of the issue why didn’t the North Vietnamese just leave South Vietnam alone to do their own thing while the north ran its own little communistic social experiment? Likwise in Korea.
Like I said multiple motivations.
Y’all know that saying about 1,000,000 chimpanzees – or whatever – hammering away on 1,000,000 typewriters*?
That they would eventually produce all of Shakespeare’s works, The Koran, etc.
Well, our Chinese Spammer may be about to prove this for us. Consider this amazing piece of knowledge, crafted into words that flow with staccato poetry:
“mature woman no longer manic panic hair..”
-hidaynwz-
Wow! That’s beautiful, man.
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Of course, a few sentences later we find the Chimp has returned to randomness:
“…care about life, chicken intestines, know how to treat people and things….”
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Very interesting, but stupit!
James Howard Kunstler – I have seen you or your webmaster delete things from this blog before. NotMommy/OEO/TootSie once lost a bunch of posts – and every poster who linked to him lost posts as well.
This blog is getting to be like amplitude modulated ham radio. You’ve got to ignore a lot of static to try to find an intelligible signal.
*updated-“hammering away on 1,000,000 keyboards”
with all due respect to the grunts, it s not trillions spent on ‘defence’, it is OFFENCE- and is offensive to many here, and around the world…i submit that being anti-war does not mean being unpatriotic; given the world situation and where we seem to be being dragged- hell in a hand-cart, so to speak- quite the opposite…look, i lived almost my entire life consumed by hatred and rage, and even if it was justified, it still did quite a bit of damage to my judgement and well-being…i have lived the last couple of years hate free, and if i can do it, anybody can…i understand the reaction to being attacked, but now i understand that HOW one reacts can be controlled, and if we are to survive as earthlings; we must…i still have a million years of pain and rage to draw upon, but it is vital to realize that we are, after all, in a closed system and need to learn how to get along, or it s over…violence does, of course still have it s place, but that violence needs to be tempered with thought before hand, not our first reaction in a blind fury…
I am going to continue to rely upon you to cite my sources. You are doing such a good job. Thank you. You are saving me a lot of time.
just use quotation marks
Ecclesiastes 1:9
Vlad drank too much Kool Aid, today.
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Do they make vanilla Kool Aid?
CORRECTION
“Ecclesiastes 1:9”
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek.”
[1596 Shakespeare Merchant of Venice i. iii. 93]
“Wish I could stick around and keep posting, but I’ve gotta’ go and try to do some honest work.”
– p2c-
Yo Wsp, I’m feelin’ all warm an fuzzy this AM! I think I found just the thing to reach out and touch someone!
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Big Congrats to “Lucky” Wally Lukken! Woo-hoo! Nice work if you can get it, Buddy!
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/revolving-door-from-top-futures-regulator-to-top-futures-lobbyist-20120111
Tell me again why we should put our faith in gum’mint regulatory agencies?
…Move along; nothing to see here… and don’t fergit to VOTE. Aaaaahahaha
The commies took over South Vietnam by 1975
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Yes. Using American equipment. The biggest American factories were not built in the US, they were built in the Soviet Union. (See: Antony Sutton’s National Suicide). The whole Cold War and WWII was one giant orchestrated puppet show used to facilitate another Vatican inquisition and mass murder of “heretics”.
Niiiiiiice…
They make a distinctive P-OOOM echoing off the hills. Doesn’t happen too often; pricey rounds, as you might imagine.
“with all due respect to the grunts, it s not trillions spent on ‘defence’, it is OFFENCE- and is offensive to many here, and around the world…i submit that being anti-war does not mean being unpatriotic; given the world situation and where we seem to be being dragged- hell in a hand-cart, so to speak- quite the opposite…”
Good points. Don’t you think that the world was in a much better place before the current batch of “leaders” decided that the world should be subservient to the US Empire? Don’t you also think the US was in a much better place before its “leaders” decided that it should be the New Rome of the current era?
My father & grandfathers both felt that altho WW2 was necessary, the US should have left it at that and minded its own business in the world. Russia could be kept ‘contained’ and they even saw that eventually it would collapse on its own.
And if they were alive today, they would probably be thinking that the US was due to suffer the same fate.
No empire has lasted. This one won’t either.
History, read, forget, repeat….
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I cant plow thru the comments of the last 24 hours here, And you?
Hey O3 maybe you’ve seen these. They are a hoot!STUPID people should not have guns!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ShV7cii0aY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgYtp3HfvY&feature=related
“A wise man can play the part of a clown, but a clown can’t play the part of a wise man.”
? Malcolm X
Interesting comments about the end of ww2. We did not roll the Russians up for two reasons; one our ethics as a society were much higher than they are now, two, the Russians had unbelievably more men and guns in they european theater. It is posible they would have rolled to the English channel if we had tried.
Let a left winger step in on this argument between two liberals.
Would the US have been able to invade Russia after WW2, when Americans were sick of fighting? Against “Uncle Joe” Stalin and the Russian people, whose suffering and bravery was widely known in 1945? Although promptly flushed down the memory hole shortly thereafter?
But the noble Americans restrained themselves, hoping that the evil Russians (who just lost over 20 million people) would do the same?
I don’t think so.
“We don’t usually hear about the movement that erupted across the South Pacific, Hawaii, and in the United States at the end of the war, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers demanded to be taken home immediately, contrary to their government’s plan to leave them deployed across the globe to flex U.S. geopolitical strength.
Major unions threatened to strike until the troops came home: “[T]he Akron Industrial Union Council… gives support to the millions of workers in uniform who long for peace, for home, and for a return to a normal life… [we] are in full accord with the demonstrating soldiers who protest against being used to protect the wealth and foreign properties of such antilabor corporations as Standard Oil and General Motors.” In late 1945 and early 1946, 4,000 troops marched on-base in the Philippines, 1,000 booed down officers at Andrews Field (now Andrews Air Force Base) in Maryland, 5,000 marched on Frankfurt Germany, 15,000 at Hickman Field in Honolulu, and 5,000 in Calcutta, India. This successful movement led to the speedy return of much of the U.S. military from the South Pacific and Europe.”
My own father was stuck on an island in the South Pacific, pretty, pretty mad that he wasn’t taken home after the war. He said that they were presented with a christmas party in Dec. 1945 in which a song about going home was played (I forget the name, maybe I’ll Be Home for Christmas) and the place exploded.j
The RWA did have to have men willing to kill for them, and they have had occasional problems with that (read “On Killing”). Now they think that they can resolve it with robots and drones.
But for you two to casually speculate on the ease of attacking the USSR in 1945 is a bit too much for me to swallow. Along with the assumption that the USA is a benevolent institution. Are you not paying attention?
For more on the benevolence of the USA – why did they bomb the hell out of Dresden? Almost killing Kurt Vonnegut, among thousands of other victims?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17515
And why would the US drop not one, but two bombs on Japan? (Which even my Dad, sitting on an island in the Pacific, waiting to invade Japan, thought was excessive. That would be because my dad is a fundamentally decent human being, and although male, doesn’t like to fight or kill. Ditto for my husband and son).
http://ecosocialismcanada.blogspot.com/2011/08/hiroshima-and-nagasaki.html
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How’s that for a one liner ph*ktards ? satisfied ? where is tzatza when you need him (this blog has become boring, all these long complex blocks of text, get tzatza back party poopers)
TOBOR THE EIGTH MAN
But the parallel universes are actually always 100% completely visible, especially when they are 100 % far away and invisible, not related, not even logically, because we can assign them visible and easily touchable as metaphysical entities can be any way you want, break the rules, break logic. Notice that all things scientific have an algorithm to viualize their “distance” so to say, either in space or time, logically, it is all far away, a denotation, a number may tell us the distance, but we can break and fool logic, fool ourselves (itself or myself ?), save ourselves from ourselves, all is won, all is achieved, it is done and over, I have won all…
shlak a lak, shlak a shpak, shlak a lak ashpak a lak, shlak a lak shpak a lakk, shppAAk a LAAk, shlaka alak, a shapka a alakk…SHPAAK A LAK , SHPAKA K A SHPAK A LAK, SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A LAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK. SHPAAKA A SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK..
You’re eating yourself alive. Why hate me for being pro-White? You’re anti-everyone.
Yes. And they certainly would have rolled over Western Europe if we had withdrawn. Nato did serve a purpose. But now it’s used to threaten Russia and may lead to WW3. Of course we say we’re just afraid of Iran…What idiocy.
Yes and as the German civilians ran to the lake to escape the fire storm, the Royal Air Force strafed them. Nice Allies, good Allies.
Of course in another couple of years, the Russians came in raping and killing anything that moved. They were ordered to rape.
Both were bad. Try and overcome the good/bad duality in your mind. Some things feel good and somethings feel bad. Some things taste good and some bad. All natural – but you’re not supposed to think with that part of your mind.
It’s like a deprograming from a cult: one girl was kidnapped from the Moonies. They told her all kinds of bad things about Moon. Then she said Ok if he’s not Christ, he’s the Devil. You laugh, but this is exactly what you do all the time.
But the clown can pretend to be wise…
One of the greatest of the Cult deprogramers was a Black Man named Ted Patrick, aka “Black Lightning”. You should be very proud.
Abe Foxman – Vatican?
“Too ham-fisted. You’re not thinking in terms of advertising and PR. Our aristocracy and their priest/rabbi/imam/etc. mouthpieces knew in days of old that they couldn’t manipulate people by being straightforward.”
What is “straight-forward” about the comments of Jude, which you and turkle apparently attribute to the same priest/rabbi/imam cliche? It seems the subltity of the book rises to the point rthat they may have never even read it. I am wondering if you and turkle have even read it.
Subtle approximations of truth are exactly what we are warned about when certain parties set themselves up as angels of light [ understanding ]. But these same parties are condemned by the writing you two SAY they [ or their predecessors ] wrote. Wonky, it don’t add up.
So you have deceivers, themselves deceived [ having not received a love of the truth ], leading others into man-made commandments and doctrines [ their own ], which we have been warned not to fall into, and you clowns denigrating the very scriptures that offer the warnings, pretending they are a product of the deceivers. I asked why?
Just an oversight on their part, or yours?
“God loves doing the impossible, and it seems as though He never does anything without first creating an impossible situation. The paradoxes of Scripture form the basis of a subtle divine humor that we often miss. Isaiah tells us in 44:18 about these blind Israelites,
“They have not known nor understood; for He hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see, and their hearts, that they cannot understand.”
God blinded the eyes of the house of Israel, so that they cannot see, and He shut their hearts, so that they could not understand (hear the word). Then He made them His witnesses, by which all things are established in the earth. Am I missing something here? Oh, yes. Just to make it difficult, by the way, God said in Isaiah 44:5,
“One shall say, I am the Lord’s; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord and surname himself by the name of Israel.”
But these who would claim to be Israel “are their own witnesses,” (44:9) not God’s witnesses. That is, they may believe that they are worshipping the God of the Bible, but their words and lives do not accurately bear witness to the character and works of God. In contrast, God promises true Israel in Isaiah 44:3,
“For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground; I will pour My Spirit upon thy seed, and My blessing upon thine offspring.”
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/Chapter.cfm?CID=14
And why would the US drop not one, but two bombs on Japan? – Wagelaborer
Some possible answers: 1) because the war was wearing thin with the American public and American soldiers and they wouldn’t stomach more fighting ie a direct invasion of Japan.
2) They dropped the second bomb because Japan didn’t surrender right away after the first bomb.
I saw your link. This appeared in US evening news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1R8qLAmkLU
So what’s the point of all the flags and salutes etc.? Glorifying war and the war dead up north too? Deep streak of mean up there too maybe?
Same with the Japanese I would suggest – they too have a deep streak of nasty. Did anyone think that the alternatives to dropping the bombs would be easy given what the Japanese had inflicted on others ie other Asians like the Chinese. Heard of the Rape of Nanking?
That was beautiful. The great City is great or at least it was. Too dangerous now though. I grant that the Jews added a lot of pizaz, and the Blacks gave some unique music, but it’s all just too much now. Too much diversity and no unity. It seems to work for awhile, even gloriously – but the forces of decay are hard at work. It was the same as old Athens – at it’s height, it was close to corruption.
You have a divine eye and ear for beauty. So how can you like the ZOG architecture? Perhaps you are making the same mistake as my old friend at the bookstore. He was the buyer and he bought alot of Photography books – including one very transgressive one: you know the unbelievably fat people, etc. You might know this guy (I’ve forgotten his name), he put dwarves in a cage but they “didn’t look right” so he kept them there all night before photographing them. Then there was the fat lady with a tube going into her mouth from a monkey’s anus. I asked my friend what he thought of that – “beautiful” he said. “Beautiful or powerful?” I responded. He seemed confused and couldn’t answer. There is a difference. Just because something moves us doesn’t make it beautiful. The Ugly can do the same.
@procon: Buuurn!
Aaaaw! burned again…!
Hey WageLabor, the firebombing of Dresden, succinctly described by Kurt Vonnegut in ‘Slaughterhouse Five’, was a British operation (Bomber Harris & Churchill), not American. The US did participate, altho General Curtis LeMay expressed reservations about it in his autobio after the war. Looking back now at Dresden, and the Soviet destruction of Berlin … what did the Germans expect?
Old 6699 (and all your other appellations) keep that sh-t coming! You’re beginning to make sense.
Ozone & RipT, regarding the Barrett Big 50, I doubt if the PTB in a place like Mass. would look kindly upon finding one of those puppies in your garage. Just a thought.
–WSP7
Who are you pilgrim? In Japan, men are turning away from women – too demanding. Just like here, the 80% of the women are trying to get the 20% of the alpha men. A situation full of unhappiness for both sexes. What happened? Women became the men they would otherwise have sought. Then they ask, “Where are all the good men”? As you know, women only want men who are above them – especially in the money and success areas. So once they got some of both, most men just became invisible to them – if not actually distasteful.
Did you catch Hilary Clinton with a stern face, lecturing people on American values?
It’s OK to drop cluster bombs on people, OK to kick down doors and machinegun families, OK to assassinate with drones, OK to destroy infrastructure, OK to poison water supplies and destroy bridges, OK to poison the land with depleted uraninum, OK to leave land mines for children to pick up…. It’s even OK to assassinate someone and drop their body into the ocean, or to laugh about someone being sodomized before brutally murdered.
But to urinate on a dead body? THAT is against American values.
You just can’t make this stuff up!
That feeling is widespread, prog.
Useless eaters, kept alive for no reason. (Useless eaters is what Hitler called them, but I don’t know how to make the trademark sign).
There will be no public outcry.
Believe it or not, there were once standards in war. And civilian populations were off limits. The 20th Century was a reversion to ancient times and “total war”. And some here thing we are advancing…
Oh and aren’t you a nasty piece of work….all because I support my race. Makes you feel weird (guilty?) that some Whites put their race before their country doesn’t it? Hint: there isn’t supposed to be a contadiction. If there is, something has gone wrong as in the United States. The Nation is supposed to be an extension of the Tribe – in other words, mono racial. But conquest causes all kinds of problems. The seed of destruction lies in expansion. All Empires are unstable and lead to ruin for the Conquerors.
Indeed, Wage
It’s outrageous to think that war is a good export and then complain when the killing machines you created aren’t antiseptic.
Why they should be mean, clean killing machines…
No doubt Hillary had to say something to denounce this act in the face of the backlash that would ensue, but:
Oh, the hypocrisy!
And? What’s your point? If people ruin themselves, what can they expect? What do you expect? We get the morality we can afford. If a few people do that, we can afford to help. But this many? C’mon. They have become an unsuportable weight. It’s more fundamental than the Communism/Capitalism divide. It’s the real economics of nature that Tripp talked about.
Who was it, Ivan Illich? He talked about how our system kept people alive at incredibly low levels of health. I don’t condemn this – as long as it’s possible. But it’s not optimum even when feasible, and not it’s not feasible anymore either. So as Prog said, Stein’s Law becomes operative: when cannot continue will not. They will die at home for the most part. Sad? Yes. But life is. That’s why we have Spiritual Paths that see us thru the death process and beyond. The real tragedy is people who don’t have these.
And there are those who want to return to a gold standard.
Unbelievable.
This was gratuitious, unnecessary!
Knowing what we know about the nature of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, WageLab, its puzzling that anyone would criticize America’s role in WW11. But there it is.
I’m currently reading Romauld Spasowski’s ‘The Liberation of One’. Spasowski is described as the highest ranking official ever to defect to the west. He describes in great detail what life as like in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe in the 50’s & 60’s. Wage, you wouldn’t have liked it. And being a communist wouldn’t have saved you. Fellow commies were liquidated at an even greater scale than anyone else. Interesting about the thousands of left wing Americans who emigrated to the Soviet Union in the 30’s. None were ever heard from again. Turns out many were executed right at the pier where they landed, whole families. (after having their passports stolen) Others were sent directly to the Gulag at Kolyma, where they were worked to death or shot. Only a few survived. Good thing your folks didn’t make the move, too. You wouldn’t be here to constantly ream the US and post on CFN.
–WSP7
A protection order is not called “therapy”, Vlad.
So we’re not allowed to criticize the US or its actions because of how bad the Communist gulags were?
Somehow, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
“The Nation is supposed to be an extension of the Tribe – in other words, mono racial.”
What is this “supposed to” crap? Who determines this? You’ve been reading Mein Kampf too much again.
“Try and overcome the good/bad duality in your mind.”
Oh, so now lil old Vladdie, who is constantly attacking other people’s values and morals, calling them Commies and Liberals, has turned into a full blown moral relativist. I couldn’t make this stuff up! What fun!
Though I agree with you. There is nothing good or evil under the sun, but man’s mind makes it so. I think Marc Anthony (the Roman, not the singer) said something along those lines.
Yeah, miterating on the bodies is like kicking them when they’re down. It is unsportsmanlike conduct. All that other stuff we can chalk up to, “Hey, that’s war, baby!”
“Believe it or not, there were once standards in war. And civilian populations were off limits.”
Nah. Or at least this was only a very limited time period. Looting and pillaging were all common practice in ancient times all the way through the Middle Ages and even into the 15 and 1600’s. There was a lot of targeting of civs during the 30 Years War, for instance. Perhaps there was a limited time period during the 1700’s and early 1800’s where civilians were considered (mostly) out of bounds. WWI was, after some initial nastiness by the Germans, generally pretty clean when it came to targeting them. WWII, on the other hand, was a whole nother ball game and did set the stage for the New Barbarianism that is now quite common in conflicts.
It’s in the Constitution or more precisely, gold and silver or bi-metalism. I agree that it might not work now. We have to see if we actually have any gold in Fort Knox. Vote Ron Paul to find out.
Yeah, I remember once reading about the US and the USSR approach to pens not writing in space, due to the lack of gravity.
The US spent many millions of dollars and manhours inventing a pen that could write in space.
The USSR used pencils.
Messing around with the mechanics of web pages takes a while. I don’t want my URL to be idle so I put something up while I work on other content.
Click the green k-dog at the top of this post and there is a short video you may enjoy.
Right now I’m obsessing in how to make my menu tabs work correctly in all browsers.
“The game is rigged. There is no escape. You must obey God’s laws,..”
This is incomplete. You must obey God’s Laws *or* suffer the consequences. The Law of gravity will not be ignored without consequences.
Just to restate something I know you have ignored a dozen times now: the eternal bar-b-que pit which religionsist invented [ actually dredged up from paganism – greek version ] to motivate through fear [ dread ] rather than love, was unknown prior to about 400 AD, when introduced by Augustine and Jerome.
It is used now to attack God’s mercy towards us, pretending that He is unjust in punishing endlessly for sins committed in a miniscule fraction of “eternity”.
That’s not what I meant. I meant the way she demonizes one side and eulogizes the other; everything political is black and white with no shades of gray. I certainly do believe in morality. You don’t in some posts and in others you do – or at least you pretend to in order to attack others. For confirmation, look at your last couple of posts.
You seem to be a healthier and more peaceful version of Old. Everything is shit, but we might as well enjoy ourselves as long as you don’t have to sacrafice anything for anyone.
Probably Marcus Aurelius taken out of context. He might have said that but he was a moralist. Why did he say it then? Well there is obviously a strong relative aspect to life. As Castro said once, “When you’re in prison you worry about getting out. When you get out, you worry about other things.” If you take this maxim to heart, it helps in dealing with alot of things. You might desperately want a certain kind of food, but if you can just stop thinking about it by thinking about something else, you don’t miss it a bit. But obviously we still need to eat. And obviously some things are wrong no matter what.
Remember Lombardi’s “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”. He wished he had never said that since it was taken out of context of the heated moment in which he said it. He didn’t really believe in winning at any price, not when it came to football anyway.
Oh so now you don’t believe in Eternity! An example of a typical “Turkish” attack.
Which God? There’s several of them. One says don’t eat pork, and other divine beings say that cows are sacred. Some people want their food blessed by a holy person. Me, I’m an equal opportunity culinary blasphemer.
I know that Stalin executed many communists, marlin.
But executing entire immigrant families at the ports?
Do you ever salt that shit you believe, or do you just swallow it whole?
Wage, all those things you describe are being done to live people. I think beheadings are also done to live people. (Not that I condone any of the activities you describe.)
Urinating on cadavers is being done to dead people. The dead are so, well, defenseless. Pissing on them is a cowardly act.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Good catch on Hilary Clinton. My son saw her statement on TV last night and said the same thing….”American Values, what the hell?”
I believe in staying out of prison and avoiding steep fines or any real, uh, involvment with the legal system. That’s why I obey the laws, like stopping at stop lights and not murdering anyone. I dunno about you. Other than that, I generally try to be a halfway decent person, in the meat world. Or at least I don’t come across as a jerk, I’m told. On the internet, I like to experiment gratuitously with various moral shadings and lack of them, this is true. That’s just how I roll. I enjoy playing the Devil’s Advocate and everything in between.
The universe, in and of itself, is not a very moral place. For instance, tomorrow a comet might obliterate most life on the earth. Would that be an evil act? Nah, it just is, like the lion eating the gazelle or a gigantic supernovae explosion.
Let me ask you Vlad (because aside from your rather weird beliefs on a variety of topics you do seem fairly self-reflective and intelligent), if you are moral, why do you spend so much time denigrating and criticizing specific groups, like Jews, blacks, and women? What moral system indicates to you that this is a good thing for you to be doing and spending your physical and mental energies on? Have you ever thought that perhaps your morals are a bit off, slightly skewed by some perceived wrongs that you received during your life? To me, the best moral systems are forgiving and compassionate of others, like, for instance, Buddhism. I don’t see any of that coming from you, just a lot of hate and vitriol directed at those who happen to be different from you, which is, on the face of it, not very moral at all. Vlad, you got a lot of ‘splainin to do!
Greek? Source? The old Greeks didn’t have much of an afterlife, just a misty tenous Hades. The Mystery Cults had more – they had a Paradise and Hell I believe, but they also had reincarnation so these were states of reward and punishment and thus not permanent. The higher Paradise was eternal or outside of time of course.
I think you may be onto something, but the source of eteranal hell might be more complex with Middle Eastern Sources thrown into the stew.
Ted Pike’s wife died of demonicly induced suicide. They hate his work against Zionism.
http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch
“Oh so now you don’t believe in Eternity! An example of a typical “Turkish” attack.”
Hot nardly! Do you have a workable definition for “eternity”? I do.
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/creations/Appendix6.cfm
Nobody really knew what happened to those emigrant Americans, Wage, until after 1990. Inquiries were made. There weren’t any answers. American families, stripped of their passports, shot as spies in sheds on the piers at Murmansk. Why not? Worse had been done already and worse would be done in the future. Read Kathryn Merridale’s ‘Night of Stone, Death and Memory in the Soviet Union’. Its all there if anyone is interested.
–WSP7
Yeah, this messydruid character is a slippery fellow. He doesn’t acknowledge that religion is, well, religion. Anything he doesn’t personally agree with in religious systems must be false or misinterpreted. Apparently, the Church isn’t religion. News to me. He gets to decide what is and isn’t religion. How convenient for purposes of argumentation! Like we’re supposed to guess what the hell he believes from these silly, cryptic statements about following God’s laws and being punished for our sins and such. Well, please, end the big mystery and tell me these laws that God whispered especially into your blessed inner ear, so I don’t offend the Almighty Teapot and risk being sent to Hell for eternity for eating the wrong kind of meat or washing my privates on the wrong day of the week. Oh, wait, all that hell and brimestone stuff is not part of “true Christianity” at all, according to him. God actually loves all of us. Except when we’re bad, in which case he gives us a big ole spanking for our sins.
Actually, I give up. None of this is making much sense at all.
I enjoy playing the Devil’s Advocate and everything in between.
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You can have Devil’s Advocate. I’m calling dibs on Gadfly and Chief CFN Clown.
So you accept the golden rule – at least theoreticaly?
Personal Morality is often easier to explain (not practice) than public morality or policy. Policy depends on knowledge – and much of that has been suppressed. The Jews for example, believe in the golden rule amongst themselves but not for gentiles. That has been hidden for obvious reasons. And there are many exceptions – many Western Jews do not discriminate against Gentiles in their personal lives – but will almost invariably support the Jews that do against any and all criticism. Fucked up? Very. Any they will turn on any gentile who does with a fury. And their gentile friends will as well. So the the Powers of World Zionism have a free hand in much of the West – not Russia and the Slavic Countries thank God. And France is turning against them under the twin forces of Islam and Communism. That’s not an optimum solution.
So you see it’s very complicated. I try to be polite and kind in my daily life but I’m watchful at all times. I have often encountered hatred from Blacks, Liberals, and occasionaly the “hard core” Jews who are very against Whites unless from the upper classes. Other Jews are friendlier to me than the average White since I’m bookish and bohemian like themselves. But since they will not criticize the Dark Powers I can no longer closely associate with Jews like that.
So what’s your point? The Soviet Union was a really nasty place, we get it.
Then you criticize others for saying negative things about America, which is absurd. Just because the USSR was bad doesn’t mean one shouldn’t be able to criticize one’s own country. Anyways, the Soviet Union is a pretty low bar to set and say, yeah, well you’re got it better than prisoners in the gulag, so shatup.
It is like saying, yeah, well Ted beats his wife every night, not just on Tuesdays and Thursdays, so shutup woman! You don’t know how good you got it! Someone ALWAYS has it worse.
Actually, I give up. None of this is making much sense at all.
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This is not good. All the “explaining” MD is doing is making it more difficult for you to attain “salvation” … naughty MD!
“but I’m watchful at all times”
I just don’t get it. Are you afraid of losing a limb or something? What are you protecting yourself from, concretely? Your fears of others are quite overblown, I’d say. Protecting yourself from physical harm/crime/violence is, of course, a no brainer, but how often is that really an issue where you live? Are you basing this guardedness on something bad that happened to you in the past? I’m really curious, actually, because, to me, you seem like an intelligent person (or at least highly articulate) who devotes his mental energies pointlessly in trying to make blanket judgments about great big (sometimes rather messily defined) groups like “The Jews”, “blacks” or “women.” Why devote your limited energies to such a fruitless and thankless task as trying to make all people with superficially similar characteristics basically the same? What’s the point? Does it help you in some way?
Gratuitous kindness and niceness is usually a pretty good strategy for navigating life, unless you’re in, say, the Marine Corp, where you need to be mean. It is not only effective but can make you mentally healthy, according to research I’ve read. Being compassionate reduces stress. I can’t imagine the kind of bundled up anxieties you harbor in there with such feelings of animosity towards others, who, generally, don’t fit the kind of stereotypes with which you love to brand them. Like I was at a music event last night watching a band I sometimes play with, which has two black men in it who happen to be two of the friendliest people you’d want to meet. They absolutely don’t fit any of the steoreotypes of their race you love to bandy about here like an intellectual bludgeon. Why suck these positive characteristics out of people by trying to lump them in with categories that you’ve constructed from caricatures presented by biased media sources? If you treat each person you meet as an individual rather than some cutout of a stereotype, you’ll enjoy your life more, you will have more genuine, positive interactions with people, and you will not be stressed out and anxious about these non-issues that seem to dog your mind on a daily basis.
Anywho, I’m just trying to help. Hope you’re having a good Friday there, Vladski.
I have often encountered hatred from Blacks, Liberals, and occasionaly the “hard core” Jews who are very against Whites unless from the upper classes.
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Vlad, have you ever thought that, just maybe, this apparently common reaction from people you meet has something to do with what you’re putting out there? In other words, if you treat people with kindness, understanding, and compassion, you will likely receive some form of this in return. Of course, this isn’t a hard and fast rule, but is generally true in normal, day-to-day interactions with people. Whereas, if you start an interaction from your typical position of distrust, supremacism, criticism, and hate, that’s exactly what you’ll get thrown back at you. Think about it.
Yeah, he’s not so great at leading a horse to water. I just feel all wet now.
the “hard core” Jews who are very against Whites
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Maybe I’m not up on all my racial lingo here, but most of the Jews I’ve met had white skin, or at least the pink to olive shades that we usually designate as belonging to that (rather poorly defined) category. Perhaps you should be more specific in your racial categorizations?
He is a Saint and you will be judged and punished for your hard word and rejection of his words of life.
“shlak a lak, shlak a shpak, shlak a lak ashpak a lak, shlak a lak shpak a lakk, shppAAk a LAAk, shlaka alak, a shapka a alakk…SHPAAK A LAK , SHPAKA K A SHPAK A LAK, SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A LAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK. SHPAAKA A SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK..”
Um, isn’t it time to take your meds?
Once I figure out what he’s on about I’ll let you know if I reject it.
Well you hate Conservatives and lower class Whites. As for all others, you see them as potential allies against traditional Whites.
But we don’t intend to just disappear as you peopole intend. There’s a war going on, and it’s against us. And you’re part of it. And it’s already begun on the psychic plain but it will become actual or physical in a few more years.
By the hard core, I mean overtly Zionist Jews who deeply hate regular Whites. And they are good people readers – they know I’m not an ally. It doesn’t matter if I act nice, they are against me. Ditto for the hard core Blacks. Ditto for Lesbians. I’m sure you’ve experienced something like this or that you do it yourself to blue collar Whites.
A serious word from CCC (CFN Chief Clown):
Now that Colbert has entered the race, the temptation may be great to vote for him.
I urge you to resist temptation and vote for a serious candidate, Green Party’s Jill Stein.
http://www.jillstein.org
We have some serious issues to address and Jill Stein is the person to restore sanity.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled clusterfuck.
Anyone know anything about this?
excited to announce that plans for OCCUPY AIPAC are under way and we hope you will join us March 2-6 in Washington DC.
With the Occupy movement that has swept the country demanding social and economic justice, many have concluded that AIPAC—the powerful pro-Israeli government lobby that distorts U.S. policy in the Middle East— is a mandatory “occupy target”. Adbusters, the magazine that issued the initial visionary call for the takeover of Wall St. on September 17th, has declared: “The time has come for the Occupy Movement to demand an end to the Occupation of Palestine… We need a hashtag, #occupyAIPAC” (Kalle Lasn).
Timed to coincide with the annual AIPAC policy conference in March 2012, the Occupy AIPAC summit will be a long weekend of teach-ins, cultural performances, protests and creative direct actions, and a sneak preview of the forthcoming film Roadmap to Apartheid. Our Saturday conference will feature educational panels on Iran, Palestine, the Arab Uprisings and the Occupy Movement (see the list of speakers). Sponsors and endorsers include the Institute of Policy Studies, Just Foreign Policy, Interfaith Peace Builders (IFPB), the US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN), Jewish Voice for Peace, Students for Justice in Palestine chapters, and over 120 other groups.
Right now AIPAC is trying to drag us into a disastrous war with Iran, just as they pushed the Iraq war. We must show our opposition by exposing AIPAC and standing against a war with Iran. AIPAC’s underhanded tactics and their manipulation of our political process destroys the possibility of a just peace for Palestinians and Israelis. Recent public criticisms of the Israel lobby make the call to Occupy AIPAC all the more …………………….
WHITE WASH MUSLIM TERRORISM
An “isolated incident” of “workplace violence” involving a “lone wolf”.
or more????
Major Nidal Malik Hasan and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
Oh Islam. Nowhere in the Pentagon’s 86 page report about the Fort Hood Massacre do the words “Islam”, “Muslims”, “terrorism” or “jihad” appear even once. Instead it is whitewashed as an “isolated incident” of “workplace violence” involving a “lone wolf”.
We were disinformed with similar about Nigerian underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.
An unrelated and “isolated incident” involving a “lone wolf”.
The only problem being that both Major Nidal Malik Hasan and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab were tutored by the American-born Yemeni “scholar” named Anwar al-Awlaki ? recent recipient of a Hellfire missile ? who also was a “spiritual advisor” to two of the 9-11 atrocity hijackers.
Here is a prime example of how your skewed worldview colors your perceptions. You think there is a war going on with you as a target. And all others are participating in this war, either as an ally or an adversary. You’re either with me or against me. And then you go on to lump various groups as friends (very few apparently) or enemies (almost anyone who is even remotely different from you and doesn’t agree with your narrow-minded and extreme political views).
Why is this such a popular position among the supposed Conservatives, that they are under siege from all sides? Must you think of all social interaction in metaphors of military conflict? To me, this smacks of the most crass and obvious fearmongering, as you’re able to justify otherwise indefensible behavior by saying, essentially, “Oh, yeah, well there’s a war going on, so all’s fair.”
And tell me, Vlad, who are these supposed traditional whites that I’m allying against? This is yet another fictitious category that you’ve invented to feel better about yourself. The civilized whites must be defending their traditions against the barbarian hordes of brown people.
If you mean the religious-minded, well, yes, I have to admit that I have a little empty spot in my mind’s compassion gland for those who tell me that I’m going to burn in Hell for eternity for my supposed sins. I guess more appropriately, I should just ignore them. My bad.
But there’s no war against you, Vlad, just one in your mind. You essentially make war against yourself by interpreting the world in this fashion. Even if it were true that there is a cultural/race/political war being waged, why make yourself a solider in it? You have the choice not to participate. I’m sorry you can’t see it. Hopefully, someday you’ll let go of all this silly baggage and interact with the world and those around you in a more positive, genuine fashion.
800th!
****By the hard core, I mean overtly Zionist Jews who deeply hate regular Whites. And they are good people readers – they know I’m not an ally. It doesn’t matter if I act nice, they are against me. Ditto for the hard core Blacks. Ditto for Lesbians. I’m sure you’ve experienced something like this or that you do it yourself to blue collar Whites.*****
We who are gay don’t hate you. We think you are a funny, silly little man who spends too much time on the internet and milking his johnson while downloading porn.
But the real tragedy would be if diversity suffered – that’s what the general said after the Fort Hood massacre. The dead soldiers were just collaterals.
And if the report had mentioned these buzzwords of yours, how would it make anything any different? Would it bring back those killed? Would it help the current situation in any way?
Apparently, two terrible wars against Muslim countries, targeting their civilians and infrastructure, aren’t enough for you. Now you want government documents to use loaded language straight out of the neo-con playbook, to conform to your distorted view of the world. But for what purpose?
And, sure, jihad and terrorism are no doubt real things. But it isn’t like they are exactly under the rader, these days. I’d say they get enough coverage from Fox News alone.
Don’t you think it is ludicrous to be all in a fit about one incident like this? The US invaded Iraq, killed thousands of its citizens, destroyed its infrastructure, and committed all other kinds of mischief, all under false pretenses. Where’s your outrage for people dragged out of their homes and imprisoned, on little or no evidence, then tortured and/or thrown into some God-awful black hole, for doing nothing at all? Where is your sadness for children needlessly killed by US military forces? Does their suffering not count because they aren’t part of your team? Where is your call for investigation of the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium, both terrible substances that we shouldn’t be deploying on the battlefield? Where is the outrage against a system that sends thousands of our young men to wander pointlessly around Muslim countries handing out teddy bears and candy until they drive over an IED and get their limbs blown off? Where is your anger at the drone attacks that kill hundreds of innocent people in Pakistan? Where is your curiosity and disapproval of how our actual civil liberties here at home are being systematically abrogated or removed, all in the name of an endless, false, unwinnable War on Terror?
No, instead, you’re all bunched up because some crime report from the government didn’t read like it was written by the editors over at Fox News. What a joke.
No one bothers you because you’re no threat. You just part of the system, a nut or a bolt so to speak. You’re nothing to anyone because you’re nothing to yourself.
Now you could still get jumped but you may live someplace all White so the chances are low. I’ve remarked before on the amazingly provincial lives of many of the posters.
In any case, the fewer races and less mixing, the less racism. The more races and mixing, the more racism. One race, nothing to mix with, no racism. There I have solved the racism problem.
Many gays hate gay pride and all that degenerate crap. And know all about how evil Feminists are. But they are integrated into the White Community, and don’t need Federal Funds etc. What good are they to the Globalists?
“I have to take exception to calling atheism “a religion”. It ain’t. You may call Science “a religion” to be the antithesis of the sky-ghost religions, I’d suppose.” -ozone-
Ozone – Whoa there, man. I don’t think it’s at all a good idea to call science (Science?) a religion. Besides that, science doesn’t belong to the atheists – it’s supposed to be there for anyone who wants to make use of it. Science is a tool, for sure – maybe it’s a discipline of the human mind; but it shouldn’t go any further than that, IMO – into the realm of “religion.”
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And I think somebody needs to draw a distinction between atheism, the absence of theism; and Atheism, with a capital “A.”
Does someone think the world would be a better place if everyone believed like him?
– Sounds like Atheism.
Does someone actively work to debunk the belief systems of those who do not believe as he does?
– That’s Atheism, too.
Does someone actively attempt to recruit those who believe in Other Systems of Thought to a “better system of belief.” – Atheism
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I’m saying that I can easily get along with your basic, garden variety, atheist. But, proselytizing Atheists begin to activate my “why can’t we all just get along” gene.
(tm Rodney King)
I’m thinking that something, somewhat, like this – is what Dale was getting at with Turkle, yesterday.
“You’re nothing to anyone because you’re nothing to yourself.”
I’m not sure what this is supposed to mean. How could you possibly know this? Just more assumptions from the king of them…
My intention at this point is either to vote for Jill stein or Rocky Anderson.
Definitely not voting for the media’s talking heads’ “viable candidates.” I despise that term.
“Useless eaters, kept alive for no reason. (Useless eaters is what Hitler called them,”
-wage, in reference to people who would be dead in a couple of months, without modern medicine-
Wage, I’m not sure invoking the name of Hitler into this argument is an appropriate strategy. What we’ve got going on in the United States in medical care has no historical parallels.
We’ve got, literally, millions of insulin dependent diabetics who won’t do the hard work to successfully alter their diets. And we’ve got many other heart by-pass patients, dependent for life on Plavix or whatever – who won’t change their lifestyles, or diets, or quit smoking, or get any aerobic exercise.
Yet – these folks qualify for free medical care, and free Rascal scooters, and free ambulance rides for life – and we can’t make ANY of this medical “care?” contingent on ANY behavior changes, on the part of the patients.
Because asking the patients to change behaviors would be characterized as:
1. Racism
2. Class warfare
3. Blaming the victim
The slippery slope wasn’t quit so slippery – on my second trip out onto it. Thanks, WL.
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And that was a good response to me about the US rolling on into Russia at the end of WWII. Nothing I can really disagree with (wow!), at least not right now. The United States really was a different country in those days.
We’ve changed. And not for the better.
That’s some of what I was trying to point out to Hancock.
RWA’s couldn’t get a foothold under Roosevelt.
They’ve got a foothold now, though!
“I’m saying that I can easily get along with your basic, garden variety, atheist.”
Just so long as they keep their mouths shut, right? Your basic, garden variety atheist is generally outspoken about their beliefs. So perhaps you can’t get along with them? (Which is fine, but you should just admit it.)
The self-evident absurdities of religious belief, in our era, necessitate some kind of correction from those who don’t believe in two thousand year old fairy tales as the basis for all existence. Given the resurgence of religious types into politics since around 1980, it is no surprise that there is pushback, as most people aren’t actually very religious in their day-to-day lives or in how they think about the world. Mencken said that the only proper response to religious thought is ridicule and shaming. I tend to agree. People who believe they eat the son of God every Sunday or that the earth is 7000 years old do not deserve to be taken very seriously, after all.
The worst thing about the me wars is how long they have lasted. The biggest war in history lasted only six years. Thirty years if you combine it with ww1 and the interwar chaos. We have been fucking around now for ten years accomplishing little. We pissed nearly everyone off while bending over backwards trying not to hurt anyones feelings. That is all Procon was saying about the report on the fort hood incident. Why the hell should we care whose fucking feelings we hurt if call the major a Muslim terrorist.
My main objection to anti-Israeli talk is very simple, and I’ve had it for years:
Before you criticize the country, just tell me why its neighbors in the region won’t recognize its right to exist as a nation since its founding in 1948, when most other countries in the world do? And what effect do you think being surrounded by such countries has on the national psyche? Maybe make them happy-go-lucky? Or maybe promote hardness and toughness and a little paranoia-type symptoms?
Just imagine, if you are willing, that Canada refused to recognize the US’s existence, not even referring to it by name, just calling it the “Colonial Entity”, and on a regular basis lobbed missiles over the border toward Detroit and Chicago. Ya think we’d maybe respond in kind, only more so? Ya think maybe we’d dislike Canadians? Then add Mexico to the mix, calling for the destruction of the US and wiping it off the face of the Earth, then have Cuba lob a few missiles at Miami. Imagine how our country would feel. Just because we have military superiority over them, you think we wouldn’t feel threatened, and act accordingly?
I’m not even arguing whether Israel should ever have been established in the first place – that’s another argument for another time. I’m just saying, if a country exists and its neighbors call for its destruction and attacks it (1948, 1967 and 1973), what the hell is it supposed to do? So stop with the stupid rhetoric, already.
Prog, your characterization of Atheism is off. It is simply a philosophy that holds there is no divine being that created or controls the universe, called God. That’s it. The urge to convert, the belief that the world would be better off without religion (I’m not so sure myself), the debunking, and the (supposed) recruiting are not directly related to this belief system. These are just behaviors that we all tend to engage in, to some degree or another, related to many different belief systems, from veganism to Islam, and, I might note, religious types are surely the biggest practicioners of at least a few of these, such as desiring to convert others. I don’t see why you’d single out Atheism as being particularly associated with any of these things, because it isn’t. And what you call debunking, I call simple common sense, e.g. that there is no Invisible Teapot. Atheists are usually big fans.
“Just so long as they keep their mouths shut, right? Your basic, garden variety atheist is generally outspoken about their beliefs. So perhaps you can’t get along with them?”
-turkle-
Turk, that’s one hell (Hell?) of a long string of assumptions, generalizations, and oxymorons – in those two sentences of yours, up there.
You are categorizing, pigeon holing, and stereotyping as much as Vlad does, sometimes..
Except, you have chosen a different type of person and a different category of belief.
And your have chosen a category of person and a type of belief – that is more politically correct to oppose on CFN.
Out for a while tonight.
Keep ’em coming folks. Good posts.
You are just wasting your time, Turkle. In the 20 or so months I’ve been posting on CFN, I’e yet to see one poster change the beliefs of another poster. Go out and have a good time tonight – that’d be more productive.
No, it doesn’t assume very much, other than that people who are atheists generally are pretty outstpoken about it, in discussions related to that belief. And this has been my observation. Is your experience different? I think your assumption that you can get along with “garden variety” atheists is far more strange. And, also, you’d probably get along with me fine. The internet tends to magnify intellectual conflict which is a real life situation would be accompanied by more social graces and deferrence, not just words on a page.
I think, Procon, that the preachy atheists are those who believe organized religion has been responsible for most of the world’s evils over the centuries, and rather than letting “live and let live” guide them, wish that religion would disappear. By preaching atheism, they hope to achieve this goal. And when you think about it, haven’t certain branches of Christianity always done the same with its missionaries throughout the world?
It’s Time To Wake Up – We Are All One
Here is an invitation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJHJzDQcRM
But please keep in mind that there are many, many people born with diabetes, not because they have an unhealthy lifestyle like most type 2 diabetics. Likewise, many people, millions, have bad hearts through no fault of their own.
Bill, while I can understand some of your sentiments, your characterization of Israel as perpetual innocent victim is an oft-repeated canard that simply doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Of course, they present all their military actions as some form of defense, as we do. But is that the reality of the situation? Israel is a militarized state, supported by billions of dollars in US money and handouts, where all men must serve in the armed forces. It is essentially an armed Jewish/American base in a sea of Arabs. Situations in which it was (ostensibly) on the defensive have been turned around into clearly offensive actions, which included the invasion of other countries like Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon. The Arabs in that part of the world view Israel as an illegitimate entity, like if the British suddenly decided to resettle everyone from Scotland in a choice part of Canada. The Canadians would be pissed for awhile, you know? They probably wouldn’t recognize New Scotland.
And, if you want to play the “who started it” game, the Israelis kicked off the founding of their country not with outstretched arms to Palestinians to become part of a joint political entity, but by demolishing hundreds of their villages. And Palestinians were rounded up and moved to what amounts to open air prisons, strangled by economic embargos. And that’s basically set the tone for what followed. It has been perpetual war ever since. You want to play the blame game. It must be the Arabs who are always attacking the innocent Israelis. That’s not very subtle or reality-based, more like a worldview straight out of AIPAC’s brochures or a Hollywood movie. The real situation is far more subtle and grey, more like a continual state of conflict since the founding of Israel, with both sides fueling the fire. Who attacked who first in each individual conflict is kind of a moot point (at least to me).
That said, it is interesting to me that Arabs seem to feel that conquest is not a legitimate way to carve out a political entity, when their religion basically sings the praises of conversion and hegemony by the sword. I guess that only counts when the conquerors have the right religion.
You also should note the ancient enmity between the Jewish and Muslim religions, not to mention the racism and hatred on both sides, both of which feeds the conflict immensely. Perhaps it is my atheist side speaking here, but I gotta think there wouldn’t be so much enmity involved if there weren’t such strong religious differences between the opposed parties.
I think in the post-WWII era, the world became super-sensitive to these issues of genocide and ethnic cleansing, due to Germany’s barbaric actions through Europe and Asia. It is ironic, really, that the Jews suffered from this sensitivity, because they wanted to do some ethnic cleansing of their own. They picked the wrong era, unfortunately, hence the hundreds of UN mandates that they’ve simply ignored in their quest for a greater Jewish homeland.
And, also, the Palestinians make a convenient political football for Arab leaders to kick around. Look over there, the Palestinians are being oppressed. Meanwhile, they can divert the populace from abuses at home.
That said, I really don’t like that the US provides so much money for Israel, plus free military goodies. It gives us a bad name over there and makes us look (rightly so) hopelessly biased and partisan. If Israel wants to be a country, fine, but let it stand on its own two legs, not function as a proxy for the US.
It is a big mess, basically. I think the Jews should have been given a chunk of North Dakota after WII, but, hey, they wanted their ancient homeland, with all the mess and bloodshed that entailed. I bet they would have made it real nice up there, too!
“those who believe organized religion has been responsible for most of the world’s evils over the centuries”
Oh, not me. Evil is a religious concept, anyways. 😉
Religion was just an excuse for releasing the inner, bloodthirsty monkey, like burning alive at the stake those who don’t agree with your mythology. And you don’t even need religion for this. Any philosophy will do (Communism anyone? Democracy and Freedom?).
But if you want to talk about supression of science, free thought, and other intellectual inquiries (let’s say you value these things), yes, religion has certainly been responsible for most of that beatdown. Of course, I’m no so sure science is any better. Technology driven by scientific advancement is well on its way to making the biosphere not so livable.
You make some excellent points. In particular, the Royal Navy, a key player in the American naval team, has already been forced to hollow itself out, and will end up with little more than two giant oil fueled carriers and a lethal but small nuke sub force. I am uncomfortable with the giant American nuclear carriers as they seem to be sitting ducks, especially for Russian style guided missile submarines. To my way of thinking virtually the entire surface force should consist of scores of light aircraft carriers which can also launch amphibious assaults. But the admirals love their giant nuclear carriers. Deep cuts are in the offing, especially for the Army.
After spending the last six months carving an Art Nouveou fire surround, the relative simplicity of ZOG architecture doesn’t sound so bad, although Lee Lawrie’s ‘Praire Deco’ style demonstrated it doesn’t have to be a choice between Modern minimalism or Baroque exuberance in terms architectural ornamentation and design. Lawrie’s bas relief carvings which grace the Nebraska State Capitol and other public buildings seamlessly emerge from the matrix of material that is predominantly clean and uncluttered:
Lee Lawrie was a great sculptor and a great man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIRV6JCq6M
Thanks for that link. Gen. Petraeus in particular strikes me as being a colossal cheese-dick what with his admitted mission of selling more war to the congress, based upon his statements quoted in Rolling Stone that it is more important for him to create the impression of impending victory so that congress will support his latest pet war than it is to actually be prosecuting a war that is in fact winnable in the real world outside of the halls of congress. In other words he a sort of conventional warfare Dr. Strangelove who seeks above all to be a salesman of war, as opposed to being a victorious commander on the battlefield. Of course the actual war against the Iraqi army was over after just a few weeks to be replaced by this futile police action in which hapless American troops patrolled that third world shit-hole on the ground, the better to enable the insurgents to blow them up, since of course their movements could be predicted without fail since the patrols were done on paved roads which served as funnels into IED traps. Even now with the new and improved armored vehicles being used in Afghanistan the local towelheads have simply upped the explosive charges so that the armored vehicles are sent flying through the air to land on their roofs with the American troops trapped inside. It’s almost as if these military geniuses were completely unaware of the invention of the helicopter. But hey, at least they create jobs at defense plants back home since all this blown up gear presumably has to be replaced. I think this epoch in military thought began when Truman told Gen. MacArthur that he wasn’t allowed to win in Korea by using some of the stockpile of atomic bombs on the Chinese. Those bombs were used instead to rain nuclear fallout on the set of John Wayne’s worst movie, in which he unconvincingly played Genghis Khan in the Nevada desert standing in for Mongolia. But at least tourists in Las Vegas could view those atomic tests as a form of entertainment, so maybe it’s just as well that we didn’t drop them all on the Chinese. After all, if we’d actually defeated our enemies in the cold war the defense department would have lost its raison de etre and the gravy train would have ground to a screeching halt.
Since you’re in moral mode here: why do you care so much about Iraq but not the United States? So much so that you would flee rather than do your duty and help defend America against invasion? Is that moral? Or is morality just something that can be criticized in other people?
Communist Atheism is a dangerous religion that has killed a hundred million people. It’s god is the dialectic or the will of the people. It’s promised land is the classless society. And yes, it’s high priests have largely been Jews. Then the American ones decided to become Republicans. They’re called Neo-Cons now and they’re trying to get us into a war with Iran.
Can’t I care about both? What makes people in Iraq any less real or worthy of care just because they speak a different language and aren’t of my culture? Why, if I express concern about what we do to innocent Arabs, does that mean I don’t care about the US? Throw another burning branch onto that Straw Man, why doncha.
I think the question of fleeing/staying during a war had more to do with the projected possibility of a Civil War, which I would most certainly flee if I found myself in a hot spot. That I would chalk up to common sense. Hey, maybe that wouldn’t even mean leaving the country but just relocating within it. There is a fine line between what you might call courage and simple stubborn, stupid recklessness. If there were a foreign invader (an unlikely possibility but let’s just suppose), I might stick around to help out. It would all depend on the circumstances or how bad it got. Is it moral? Maybe. Self-preservation is the first precept of my moral code. I don’t see anything wrong with it. That’s what happens in war. People flee and become refugees by the millions. It is quite a common thing. It doesn’t mean they are cowards or amoral. Get off your high horse. You haven’t fought off any wild Injuns lately, I’m pretty sure. And fighting to the death is not the main goal of most people, and that’s fine. Why should it be?
Other people’s supposed morality does open them to criticism, and mainly I am interested in the gaps and how select people tend to be with their application of their own moral standards. In other words, they get all riled up by the terrorist jihad puffed up by Fox News, but mum’s the word on a terrible things done by our military in foreign lands, during wars that were not necessary to begin with. Is it just a matter of rooting for your own team? Or “My country, right or wrong.” If so, I don’t see how that constitutes a moral leg to stand on. That’s pure tribalism and hypocrisy. Noam Chomsky has some very pointed questions in this area. Why is violence terrorism when other people commit it but counter-terrorism when we do it? Why do we mouth the words of freedom and democracy, all the while historically suppressing the same?
And, like I said, my morals are fairly basic, including self-preservation, not breaking any major laws, and attempting to treat others as I’d like to be treated myself, and I will confess that I don’t live up to my own precepts sometimes. But I’m only human. And I don’t claim some direct telepathic link to a divine entity who tells me not to eat cheese on Sundays. I use what works for me, and (pretty much) so far so good.
What I don’t really like is the attempt by others, using religion or other principles, to hold themselves and their pronouncements up as exemplars of morality, even when they clearly have not worked out the internal contradictions. Usually people who are this showy about the moral superiority of their own behavior and beliefs are hiding some gigantic blind spot (or several). People who are in favor of the death penalty and pro-war and then against abortion come to mind. Or Christians who say that society should basically be a case of “every man for himself” when their religion champions helping the poor and destitute. Basically, I think people believe whatever is convenient or useful for them and then drop some moral trappings on it to justify their behavior (or lack of action). So personal morals, oftentimes, end up being rather amoral.
Anyways, you’re certainly no exemplar, with your blanket condemnations of entire racial groups and racist political philosophies, which is probably obvious to everyone but you. Funny thing, those moral blind spots.
All of Israel’s problems are the direct result of Western machinations. The daily non-stop propaganda lies and incitement theater, can all be traced to Western foreign agents — part of a concerted divide & conquer stratagem designed to control and thieve the resources of the region. To my mind, Putin’s response to this kind of nonsense, targeting the propaganda agents, is the correct one. I hope Israel will adopt this policy, and work together with its neighbors to expel the thieving imperialists out of the region.
Yeah, that’s swift, blaming all of Israel’s problems on external entities. They couldn’t possibly being causing any of them by their own actions, right?
What a joke.
Israel’s main problems are now demographic, not military. Immigration and the birth rate are not keeping up with the explosion in Arab population around them. I believe Israel’s population would actually be falling without immigration, which is fast slowing down these days. So the apparently obvious and logical solution, which would be integrating the Palestinian territories, like the West Bank and Gaza Strip, into the main political entity, is non-viable, because eventually the Jews would end up minorities in a country that is founded upon the principle of a secular Jewish state. So what you’re left with now is a geographic and ethnic patchwork similar to how the bandustans of South Africa were embedded into that country. Of course, some Arabs can become Israeli citizens…but not too many! That would upset the system of Jewish majority in “their own” state. And, yes, Israel is a democracy, but a sham one, because it excludes these groups that geographically should belong under its control.
And, hey, you know I can’t say that I blame the Jews for not wanting a majority Arab population, given the wackiness of Islam as it is applied to government. Somehow I don’t see them bowing down to Sharia law or anything even close. And certain Arab leaders aren’t exactly subtle in expressing this dislike of them.
In some sense, the Jews were too nice during the initial founding of Israel. In previous times or other countries or both, the attacker would have simply wiped out the resident population, not resettled them or allowed them to settle in proximate refugee camps, like how Stalin would just relocate entire ethnic groups who had somehow displeased him (allying with the Germans, for instance).
On the other hand, the resettlement needed to be handled immediately after Israel was established if future conflict was to be avoided, rather than just left to fester, as the Palestinians kind of meander around in their virtual prisons, without much to do or accomplish except perfecting their hate of Israel. It really would have made sense to have sponsored a major Palestinian diaspora (which occurred, but only haphazardly) and given restitution payments to them, etc. in order to avoid future conflict. That’s what happened in a lot of European countries following the war. There were major relocations of millions, especially as Germany contracted. But somehow the Palestinian Issue was not satisfactorily resolved in a similar fashion.
Now we’re all left with the consequences of this mess.
The only joke, and a very sad joke at that, is that Israel allows this nonsense to occur. Israel will do well to publicly expose these propaganda agents on Israeli media, and let the general population have a go at them wherever they find them. These propaganda agents and war mongers, are responsible for millions of deaths and injuries, and billions in economic damages. Not just in Israel but all around the region.
But the “will of the people” is just a big lie, isn’t it? Most Communist dictatorships could care less what their people have to say or what is on page 86 of the Communist Manifesto. Thus, the political philosophy becomes mere window dressing to the pursuit of personal power, and whether supposedly emanating from the political right or left, the result is the same, a totalitarian dictatorship. It really becomes all about controlling other people. Look at China, which is supposedly a Communist country, yet it has the most vibrant and fast-growing capitalist economy in the world. Doesn’t that kind of suggest that the Communist political doctrine is only given lip service and the government’s actual practice are more pragmatic? They’ve actually jettisoned the Communism but have kept the autocratic political elements created under its influence. Weird huh?
That said, I actually agree with your assessment of Communism as a type of religious construct, or it bears very close similarities. But then…why are you defending religion on here, again, if you compare it to Christianity in a negative light?
Oh, that is such hogwash. Israel supports the most powerful political lobbies in Washington on behalf of its nation. Your viewpoint is a nonsensical conspiracy theory. The political capture of the American government is nearly complete at this point. Just look at what happens when some government personage dares criticize their actions and how carefully politicians tip toe around the issues when discussing that country and its actions. They are pilloried as an anti-Semite and Muslim-lover or friend to terrorists if they dare raise objections. The Israeli tail wags the American dog. America also uses its veto power in the UN to protect that country, even when every other country on the planet votes against it, e.g. in the Security Council. And this is all guided by the Israeli government itself, which determines the policies it wants its American ally to slavishly follow, and then pushes these policies through its almighty lobbying organizations, which own the United States Congress. So stop blaming all your problems on everyone else. No one’s buying it.
“All of Israel’s problems are the direct result of Western machinations.”
Israel itself wouldn’t even exist without the “Western machinations” of the British in giving them Palestine.
But its current problems are largely self-induced by its insular, militaristic foreign policy.
Israel’s main problems are now demographic
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I very much doubt that non-Jews in Israel and surrounding areas will think of themselves as “arabs” for very much longer. They are not arabs. And just as the Jews, the Assyrians the Druze the Kurds the Maronite the Shia the Copts the Bedouins the Berbers and other peoples of the region re-establish their ancient identities, so will the rest re-discover and re-establish their ancient national identity and heritage. I expect the Vatican/Roman yoke that is Arab/Jihadi imperialism will soon be exposed for what it is, and that will be the end of that.
And exactly what makes you think this? I wouldn’t exactly say your assertions are backed up by reality. (kinda like usual)
Israel itself wouldn’t even exist without the “Western machinations” of the British in giving them Palestine.
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How so?
“I expect the Vatican/Roman yoke that is Arab/Jihadi imperialism will soon be exposed for what it is”
*rolls eyes*
Where’d you read that theory, in a David Icke book?
And exactly what makes you think this?
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It’s self-explanatory. If you’re too stupid to follow, then you’re too stupid to follow.
Anyway, you bore me. You have zero original thought and I already heard all that regurgitated propaganda nonsense that you parrot a million times before.
Fox, cash in your beer cans and go for a Fleshlite. You sound like you could use it.
From Dmitry Orlov’s blog: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/
“Still, the elections provide a spectacle, the media are conditioned to lavish attention on the candidates, and the people, being weak-willed, are once again beguiled into thinking that it matters who gets elected.”
What exactly does it mean to say that public is “weak-willed”?
Thanks.
I mean, why are people so “weak-willed”?
Emotion?
‘Apparently, two terrible wars against Muslim countries, targeting their civilians and infrastructure, aren’t enough for you’
I never said I supported ANY war Turk.
Call him Cleopatra, Queen of Denial.
Indeed they Israelis would have loved to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians are per their own words. But the world was watching and they couldn’t. And even if they had, don’t think the Arabs would ever have forgiven and forgotten.
The Jews should have taken Madagascar when it was offered.
“Big Congrats to “Lucky” Wally Lukken! Woo-hoo! Nice work if you can get it, Buddy!”
You and Wage do the good work here – however, the *powers that be* seem to want nothing more, than to feed the same old Vlad/Met trolls. Things here have degenerated to such a low level, I find myself wasting my time reading all the religious/racist/Jewish tripe (and wondering why I bother wasting any more time here).
And, of course, no response whatsoever, concerning the *lack of sun spots*, which measured in the 90’s for the last 4 months of 2011 (far in excess of the Maunder or Dalton minimums, and we’re still 1-2 YEARS from solar irradiance/sunspot max).
Liars will lie, and they are doing it *HERE* (very successfully). It’s not only the corporate/lobbyist bought-and-payed-for political clowns that flip-flop depending on wind direction…
As I’ve already said, this site has been *HIJACKED*. It’s very unfortunate too – reading this site now, reminds me of reading alt.conspiracy in ’98. A very worthless venture, mostly empty of any worth/utility…
The Right of Delirium
http://youtu.be/m-pgHlB8QdQ
A reading by Eduardo Galeano
Former Bush/Cheney advisor says that they could never influence (buy) Ron Paul. This man doesn’t love gold, he is gold.
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10814
“HOW one reacts can be controlled”
Seriously? You actually think whatever the 99.9% peasant reaction is, will make any difference, whatsoever? You think your hatred and anger at the individual level has a compounding negative effect, that somehow sets us back from the 0.1%’s agenda?
You should take a listen to that post carbon institute interview with JHK, Orlov, Heinberg, Chomsky, etc. The problem is the 99.9% peasants can’t accept the facts, so they ignore them, and continue on with their merry overconsumptive ways. Whether you laugh, cry, scream, or flail like a madman – you are merely noise in the overall signal. Even if the 0.1% sociopaths pick up your noise on the signal, they will not even need to bother dealing with it (except for maybe an evil grin).
PS – Chomsky used to be a hero of mine – after that interview, I find him lacking a basic understanding of finite resources (but perhaps he was just babbling-on, and feeding the opposite side of the debate). Yergin is his economic hero, apparently…
Vlad, I’m not talking about Communist atheists, just atheists in general. I’m anti-communist, but not because their governments were atheistic, but for other reasons. Personally, I believe the state should serve the individual, not the individual serve the state. And all atheists are not Jews, and all Jews are not atheists.
Ex Israeli Intelligence Officer predicts a “surprise” or “Pearl Harbor” type attack on a US vessel will begin the war with Iran. Such a surprise attack was contemplated a few years ago as a means of commencing hostilities. Ships have proved useful before: the Maine, the Lusitania, and the Gulf of Tonkin incidents.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-israeli-intelligence-officer-pearl-harbor-style-attack-will-be-pretext-for-war-on-iran.html
I think ‘weak willed’ was meant to be a nice way to say that we are ignorant, naive, and stupid.
I like this part:
“Ignore the front-runners and focus on all the amusing types that have zero probability of being elected. Encourage them, give them airtime and attention.”
k-dog for president.
Turk, you not being Jewish (I think) means you don’t understand the Israeli situation. I never said Israel is blameless for everything it’s done. However, I’m really, really tired of everyone seeing Israel as being this greedy, militaristic, barbaric, evil country, and being completely understanding and sympathetic to the anti-Israel cause, with no criticism of their actions against Israel. I’m sick and tired of the argument being so one-sided.
I’m not a paranoid Jew who thinks every non-Jew is an anti-semite, but I gotta tell you, after all the anti-Israel comments I read here, I believe many of those posters have at least an unconscious anti-Jewish prejudice. As much as I despise Vlad’s anti-Jewish belief system, I give him credit for being open and up-front about it.
I think you’ve misunderstood the point of my post about Israel. Do you know what it was?
I was born before the founding of Israel. When I was a boy, Israel was still a new idea. I can’t begin to tell you the happiness, renewed hope and pride its founding brought to my Jewish community, especially so close after the Holocaust.
I agree, that IF the decision is made to go to war against Iran, then the same phony excuses will be employed. I wish Americans could be grown up enough to realize the charade, that they’d understand about it from history, but I’m not optimistic.
Mika, I knew when I posted about Israel what comments would result. I should have my head examined, except I suddenly got really tired of the one-sidedness of others’ arguments.
Hi Beantown. I think your comments have been very objective and balanced. I know very little about Jews and Judaism, but what little I know has impressed me very favorably. I have mentioned before that Jews put their bodies on the line early in the Civil Rights movement and paid a high price.
My suspicion is this: Jews are superior people (that’s not to say “chosen people”) who have superior intelligence combined with humanism & good moral values, beauty, and a good sense of humor.
It’s a winning combination and I suspect a lot of the anti-semitism is simply envy & jealousy that somehow gets distorted into resentment & anger.
The persecution of Jews throughout history is baffling to me. It seems completely irrational.
I know Mika/Metuselah thinks it is a waste of time to communicate with me, but that in no way diminishes his superior intellect and his obvious moral passion, even though I do not believe the Vatican Jesuits are the bad guys in history, just as I do not believe Jews are the bad guys.
I guess I’m just not into conspiracy theories that much. We have enough problems without borrowing more.
I think that Orlov’s use of the term “weak-willed” implies that the U.S. people, for some reason, are compelled by their quality of being “weak-willed” to make choices, particularly moral choices, that they know are contrary to their best interests? Under such circumstances, the very idea of Presidential elections in the U.S. is absurd.
I think you’ve touched on something BTB, about the only thing that most of the people on here agree on is, the present social and political circumstance is grossly corrupt and is very likely headed for some type of crash. But there is no agreement on what’s wrong. It’s blacks and other minority groups, it’s the Vatican, it’s liberals, it’s conservatives, it’s religious people, it’s jews, it’s foreigners, it’s guys with too many tatoos, blah. There’s no consensus on what’s wrong, or what to do about it.
There’s a few who’ve opted out, and they’re doing something, maybe that’s right, who knows.
Personally I think the problem is intrenched money and political power that the public can do little about. The military and defense contractors, too big to fail banks, the ‘investment class’, media and news outlets that mostly do propaganda, political parties that are shams, the rich and powerful in general, with a few exceptions.
I believe the only color most of these people see is green.
The corporations have waged war on the middle and working classes, I’m not sure how much of it is deliberate, and how much is just general greed, stupidity and an inability to face reality.
And everybody seems to be stuck in the past, why a movie about Marilyn Monroe, she’s been dead for fifty years?
Glad to hear it. JFK did us all a diservice with his ask not speech. Yet as a Fascist I agree people should serve. But serve an evil Empire a la Rahm Emmanuel? No.
A true State serves a particlar people, in a particual place, at a particular time as Russell Kirk said. One does well to serve that State and no other.
But you’re not a boy anymore, but an old man and it’s time to put away childish things. The hope of Israel is dead – it turned into a nightmare because the people kept saying “Never again” even as they became the perpetrators. American Jews sometimes go to live there and return disenchanted – amazed at the insularity and hatred of all other people.
You still don’t understand: if you don’t criticize yourselves then others will do it for you. We have no right? We have every right Bill. Every right since you all have injected yourselves into the highest levels of American foreign policy, media, banking, etc.
Well obviously I don’t condemn religon outright, but only false religions religions like Mormonsim, Scientology, Communism etc. That’s not to say that they have no good points: Mormonism provides a wholesome structure and of course Marx had some important things to say. Also one can take a true relgion and practice it in a cult like way or a monstrous way like the Wahabbis do with Islam.
People do have many gaps in their morality as I often chide Wage and Dale about. All their outrage is on cue dictated by people above them in their respective hierarchies. With Wage, it’s some little gnome in a crowded third floor office in Chicago. With Dale, it’s MSNBC or PBS, or the NYT or Nation magazine. Ditto you I think. That’s why I brought up Pygmy cannibalism – it’s known but it hasn’t become a cause celebre. It just to non PC because Blacks are the ones doing it. If they were working properly, this should cause Dale, Wage, and you to stir in your sleep. But your complacency is just too massive.
You have a duty to your Nation before any other – all other things being equal. Of course America has come off the rails so you have an out. I can’t root for America against Iran. Just can’t. WSP can though.
Anyway, thank you for your thoughtful replies.
Why? Because she tried to please men. How many women will lift their baby finger to please a man anymore? Thus Marilyn is important because of her charm.
Perhaps I see your point, but yet the situation is so absurd.
How hard is it to do ‘the right thing’ on a ballot. In my mind not hard at all, its supposed to be private and impersonal and this is one time that’s a good thing. So put the ‘X‘ where it is supposed to go boo-boo (or write in K-dog).
The ballot box is where one’s personal morality should easily win hand down.
For now I’ll stick with ignorant, naive, and stupid. If we have to add an actual moral deliberation to the equation I’ll have to add ‘evil’ to my list and I don’t want to go there.
K-dog
About Those Goddamn Marines
We’re talking about the Taliban, right. The Fucking Taliban. Who has anything good to say about the Taliban besides The Fucking Taliban. Really, you have the floor. Should have gone through their pockets THEN pissed on ’em. I cannot gaze upon any more of asoka’s neurotic posts concerning this for fear that I will be turned into a pillar of salt. And we all know how painful that can be.
I am finally relieved of this shit. Auf Wiedersehen.
And with that thought, here’s the best goddamn song about God that you will EVER hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBw3S9IAKPc
Nothing to Do
Our Economic and social system is all about Nothing to Do, Bored, How to Occupy Time, How to Waste Time (making believe that we are doing something useful), etc. Bored. Time must be Occupied, Do Something. Why ? Because our cultural – mental progam has imposed a sequence of time to be perceived and occupied, we must produce, if time isn’t being used you must get bored, you need a constant flow of stimulations, of cheap thrills, of games to play with you winning (but also losing) as to which to compare the win, a constant flow of cheap thrills. But we win always anyways and time passes anyways, just one extra second is production achieved, goal achieved, win achieved, but sometimes simply letting time pass without doing anything is not enough, hence we get bored, the Man Brain says to itself, now, I am not OK, I am bored, activate boring and unsatisfaction feelings, that pushes you to change, to find something to do, but it is all a game, a joke on you, it is all the same, you will never be ok, our logic and thought structures have put us in this prison of time perceived and must be occupied and production, manufacturing, produce new things, always production (the greens are on to something here, always need to do and produce, what the heck, take it easy, relax, like the old hippies…).
Bored, you better like to be bored, the Technological Economy is accumlating all of that production of wealth and is going to not let you occupy time very well anymore, no jobs, you better jog more and more and watch TV more and more.
The guy says the post (on hoping the right wing wins the USA election) is cruel (maybe it is ironic or maybe not ?) but you are all clueless on this blog: it is digital, either yes or no, either may way or the highway, either you want scot free handouts and free salaries to all, and free super luxury McManisons to all in the whole world or you want everyone to beat up each other and hate on each other and fight, you want no welfare, etc. Decide! either free salaries and free lunches and the creation of as many layabouts and freeloaders and welfare queens as possible or wars and fights and violence and hate. Decide. The economic and technological system is rich enough to pay for it all, we are excess capacity achieved, we are excess capacity that is why we have so much time on our hands and why we get bored, but by putting all that time to work building rockets and skyscrapers and cars, you can achieve even more wealth….
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
Some corrections for your thesis:
Nothing to Do
Our Economic and social system is all about Nothing to Do, Bored, How to Occupy Time, How to Waste Time (making believe that we are doing something useful), etc. Bored. Time must be Occupied, Do Something. Why ? Because our cultural – mental progam has imposed a sequence of time to be perceived and occupied, we must produce, if time isn’t being used you must get bored, you need a constant flow of stimulations, of cheap thrills, of games to play with you winning (but also losing) as to which to compare the win, a constant flow of cheap thrills. But we win always anyways and time passes anyways, just one extra second is production achieved, goal achieved, win achieved, but sometimes simply letting time pass without doing anything is not enough, hence we get bored, the Man Brain says to itself, now, I am not OK, I am bored, activate boring and unsatisfaction feelings, that pushes you to change, to find something to do, but it is all a game, a joke on you, it is all the same, you will never be ok, our logic and thought structures have put us in this prison of time perceived and must be occupied and production, manufacturing, produce new things, always production (the greens are on to something here, always need to do and produce, what the heck, take it easy, relax, like the old hippies…).
Bored, you better like to be bored, the Technological Economy is accumlating all of that production of wealth and is going to not let you occupy time very well anymore, no jobs, you better jog more and more and watch TV more and more.
The guy says the post (on hoping the right wing wins the USA election) is cruel (maybe it is ironic or maybe not ?) but you are all clueless on this blog: it is digital, either yes or no, either my way or the highway, either you want scot free handouts and free salaries to all, and free super luxury McManisons to all in the whole world or you want everyone to beat up each other and hate on each other and fight, you want no welfare, etc. Decide! either free salaries and free lunches and the creation of as many layabouts and freeloaders and welfare queens as possible or wars and fights and violence and hate. Decide. The economic and technological system is rich enough to pay for it all, we are excess capacity achieved, we are excess capacity that is why we have so much time on our hands and why we get bored, but by putting all that time to work building rockets and skyscrapers and cars, you can achieve even more wealth….
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
Debates. Another interesting mental program. If you debate god or intelligent desing it really is only about winning a fight, people debate just to fight, it is the high of the contrast – the fight, we would love to fight but we only have words left to do the fighting. We sharpen all of our weapons in terms of concepts, words, logical sequences, this and that and then fight a words fight, a chess game with concepts – words, this is right or wrong, this is true or false (always imagining that there is some kind of external metaphysical truth when there is only two puny will powers conflicting to achieve dominance in an arena, etc.). So when you say there may be Intelligent Desing without God, their mental computer program crashes, their weapons in terms of concepts are no longer useful, they no longer know what to say or if even they should just go away as the debate has turned into something else. But so it is with our puny Man Brain, such a huge turd…
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
Some corrections for your thesis, vomit this information all over the internet, No Rights Reserved…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
Debates. Another interesting mental program. If you debate god or intelligent design it really is only about winning a fight, people debate just to fight, it is the high of the contrast – the fight, we would love to fight but we only have words left to do the fighting. We sharpen all of our weapons in terms of concepts, words, logical sequences, this and that and then fight a words fight, a chess game with concepts – words, this is right or wrong, this is true or false (always imagining that there is some kind of external metaphysical truth when there is only two puny will powers conflicting to achieve dominance in an arena, etc.). So when you say there may be Intelligent Design without God, their mental computer program crashes, their weapons in terms of concepts are no longer useful, they no longer know what to say or if even they should just go away as the debate has turned into something else. But so it is with our puny Man Brain, such a huge turd…
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
Go to bed, computer.
Sorry James,
Your site is now a propaganda tool. Probably one of the surest signs that I’ve seen that the shit is truly becoming unhinged. See ya in the next reality.
This post is entitled “NOTHING TO DO”. The more appropriate title would have been “NOTHING TO SAY”.
Who is reading this incomprehensible blather? And look, the blatherers are actually debating each other (…I think). Why not just shut the servers down on Wednesday?
Mr. Kunstler, I rest my case. This site is over.
Scroll over this (or all of my posts and past posts?) I am vomiting on the Internet (or has always been ?), Vomit all of this information all over the Internet, No Rights Reserved.
Like when they need innovation, but the only thing you can innovate is the permutations of the same old things, ever new car models, trillions of new car models, tablet models, cell phones, movies, you name it, just keep on creating new combinations of old stuff, ever more perfected or changed but always the same… so then the only real innovation will then be changing the way your brain is designed, we must become corageous enough to change the brain design and structure (put new chips in brains, mix it wildly) and stop fooling ourselves with new “old stuff”, new “tablets” to make believe we are doing something “new” or new “car models” (crossovers, hypeovers, you name it) when we are always in the same place…
Also the truth barrier, we must be convincd that something really is, etc. it really is success if they give me so much cash or so much of this, or something is “really valid” only according to conditions..(other people’s mind and judgment and acts, etc.) kill any conditions, don’t be conditioned, be your on boss, assign everything as a total win, who cars you win (or lose ?) or whatever (the being “convinced” variable?, change it, assign it)…
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
Ix,
I agree with your posts last night. Yes this site is getting wackier by the minute. Let’s put it this way there’s so much noise going on here, it makes it easier for me to ignore most of this nonsense and read ahead on the posts that I respect.
I too listened to that panel interview on Energy Bulletin and was amazed at Chomsky’s complete blindness as to what it actually means to not have a flow of energy to keep society as we know it operating. I think JHK was speechless at a certain point. It’s like he knew Chomsky was operating on his own tangent.
C is so concerned about stopping our Military hegemony that he forgot that this would cause great pain and suffering, given that this country is doing 0 about what to do in the case of an oil crash. They don’t want it mentioned.
Last night I was watching Current TV and someone was on discussing how dangerous the Keystone oil shale development is to our environment. He showed a map of the various states and the water table that feeds them.
The fact that we are using inferior Chinese steel instead of our own shows how little reality matters over the issue of their precious globalism. There are already leaks of the sandy sludge going through these pipes, we are in for a colossal disaster.
That and there are already areas in Michigan from other shale oil mining that have ruined the environment on a smaller scale. These jerks aren’t taking the time to do this right–always in such a hurry to make the big bucks.
Adding insult to injury it will only create 6,500 jobs instead of the hundreds of thousands the Republicans say it will. Since when do they have any grasp of facts?
Who is reading this incomprehensible blather? And look, the blatherers are actually debating each other (…I think). -X
It wouldn’t be me [for one]. I know, just getting BY the overload of bullshit is becoming a bit much.
For an example of what you’re saying re. distraction spewing:
Post #105021 of Jan.13 9:29pm
This is the laddie hisself, just from the other side of his looking glass. The syntax, “style” and “ideas” are exactly the same; the only difference are the political and racial subsets inserted into the crib-sheet of mad-libs he’s allowed to play with.
In the NWO you will not be allowed to even contemplate the roots of your oppression and powerlessness. This is why it will be resisted and hated until whatever “ending” comes.
Also ties in with Pucker’s asking what D. Orlov could possibly mean by “the folks” being weak-willed. Well, give ’em enough distraction (mindless non-interactive entertainment) and comforts, they’ll cease to think and hold strong opinions based on observable evidence. To do so requires WORK [both in labor and critical thinking], and in case anybody didn’t notice, there’s not a whole lot of that going on anymore.
I may be unduly paranoid, but this is not an accidental state of affairs, IMO.
Be that as it may, I’ll say: “a bientot” and “mas tarde”, rather than “farewell”, okay?
X,
I should have distilled that all down to:
“A docile cow is easily milked”, and had done with it! ;o)
“The United States really was a different country in those days.
We’ve changed. And not for the better.
That’s some of what I was trying to point out to Hancock.
RWA’s couldn’t get a foothold under Roosevelt.
They’ve got a foothold now, though!”
More like a stranglehold…..
Our grandparents, and great grand parents would not recognize the US of today…
OK, you don’t like the Taliban. You think the Taliban are evil incarnate. We get it.
You don’t think the Taliban has any redeeming social value and you don’t understand their theology and don’t think they should have the freedom to practice their religion. That much is clear.
You think it’s just fine to bomb, invade, snipe, and kill the Taliban because you don’t like them. Understood.
Maybe someday there will be someone with sufficient hatred towards us who will invade and kill us. Shit happens.
But once the killing is done. What purpose is served by pissing on the corpses? (other than providing another recruitment tool to your enemy)
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Semper Fi!
“Before you criticize the country, just tell me why its neighbors in the region won’t recognize its right to exist as a nation since its founding in 1948, when most other countries in the world do?”
You make it sounding like its so-called ‘founding’ was all nice an peaceful like, and that the Palestinians that had been living there for the past 2000 years just gladly packed up and left, leaving great big Welcome! banners tacked up, and really didn’t mind giving up the homes and land they had been living on for the past 2000 years.
Oh, and like the British asked with a “pretty Please with cherries on top” too, instead of forcing the Palestinians out of thier homes and villages at gunpoint.
Lets say that instead of the mid east, Israel was carved out of part of Texas. Do you think the displaced Palestinians , oops, I mean Texans would recognize its legitimacy, along with neighboring Oklahomans, or Alabamians, etc?
I really don’t think so. Those Palestinians , er, I meant Texans would be fighting tooth & nail to get thier state back. And all those Arabs, damm, I meant Rednecks around them would be supporting them.
What do you think?
Ya think that that might be a reason for a little tension there?
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KD,
Meant to tell you, I’m liking the website development and the paw-print bullets!
Good doin’s. WOOF
Our grandparents, and great grand parents would not recognize the US of today…
They truly wouldn’t. I keep wondering what my father would think if he saw this country now. He died in the late ’80’s. Hhe did live to see Reagan’s silent coup. The merger and acquisition craze exemplified by Romney’s Bain Capital, but has not seen the degredation of cities where manufacturing was once done.
What amazes me is how the right wing talking points wipe out the reality of the late ’40’s through early ’70’s as if there is no record to show the tax tables and the public sector working well and in balance with business.
They would have you think that Keynesian economics never existed and are European ideas that Obama is trying to force upon the US. He never really got to push the economic agenda through because the jobs package was not allowed by international trade rules to apply to just American jobs.
He moving forward more Republican lite ideas than progressive and that the Reps call Communism, Fascism and Socialism all rolled into one giant dog pie that they throw at him regularly!
Boehner lies about what it was like when he was growing up pretending that taxes on the rich were super low and the dummies that listen to him say nothing to the contrary.
They talk about free markets when they are so managed that some cannot lose money no matter what! They are totally risk-immune and above the law. And the Govt. keeps shoveling money (even to Romney!)
The rampant privatization that they insist upon will be a painful expensive enterprise where most Americans will be very hurt. What kind of pain is it going to take to get people to wake up?
Hey, you said it better (in response to BTB re Isreael).
Thanks.
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“Those bombs were used instead to rain nuclear fallout on the set of John Wayne’s worst movie, in which he unconvincingly played Genghis Khan in the Nevada desert standing in for Mongolia. But at least tourists in Las Vegas could view those atomic tests as a form of entertainment, so maybe it’s just as well that we didn’t drop them all on the Chinese.
Excellent points all, but really, I think that was Wayne’s FUNNIEST movie ever, perhaps THE funniest movie ever.
And also, if our parents hadn’t taken the time to take a picknick lunch out to watch the A-bomb tests, some of us might actually be more or less normal (Vlad). Beleive me, if Vegas could do all that again, and make buco-bucks off it, they would.
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“I cannot gaze upon any more of asoka’s neurotic posts concerning this for fear that I will be turned into a pillar of salt. ……
I am finally relieved of this shit. Auf Wiedersehen.” -xhalor-
Damnit, X, don’t go. I’m going to start keeping a score card of the posters who have left this place in disgust because of Residential Impedimentary comments. It’s a bunch.
I don’t know how asoka. knows what buttons to push to enrage posters to the point that they leave forever – but he does. And he has shut down more discussions than I can count, by the simple expedient of enraging the participants.
Here’s something of what you were trying to tell the thread (and a..) the other night. I get it. Even the New York freakin’ Times gets it.
The real war criminals are not those Marines. The real criminals are Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Hillary – and 100 or so other big cheeses who could have stopped this madness, or never started it in the first place.
“…. behavior, combat veterans and military experts say, is an ever-present risk when troops in their teens and early 20s are thrown into nerve-racking battle for months at a time.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/world/reprehensible-behavior-is-a-risk-of-combat-experts-say.html
Excuse me while I vomit on the Internet.
Nothing to Say
I have nothing to say. That is so cool, I hope I waste your time, I want to waste loads of worldwide time (there are probably millions of clowns reading all of this drivel, hype, trype wasting hours but that is because they have “too much time on their hands” thanks to technology saving them from “work”). Time and time wasted, but wasted for what? What would have been done in place of it ? I asked time for more time but time ran out of time. Anyways wage7 asks for more drivel, she is my boss, what can I do ? So lets get back to time boys and girls. Exactly why do we measure everything in time ? Our mental operting system has a kind of constant time monitor measuring what we do, or if we are doing or if we are achieving, and is associating this with a functionalization interpretation of reality, everything is a function, delimited by time, but a function with a start point and end point, a target and we like the target to get reached, and if we don’t reach the target we lost. But the targets are all moving targets, going nowhere as usual. Bored. Why do we get bored ? That is strange.
Bored because we lost or the last win we achieved has worn off ? and we need a new achievment ? always wearing off and always back to square one ? Our mind forces us to define the information it receives within the context of time, functions and achievements, hence this is the prison, the prison of time and the necessity to “not waste time” (but it is always wasted, otherwise all of these millions of people worldwide would have built me my trillions of Lincoln Continentals, something that is achieved, the measure of success, so much fun, so enjoyable, instead they want to save “trees”, go figure, how sick can they be ?).
We (or it ? or me ? or what ?) need to be confirmed by an external chunk of matter, we need to do things so that an external chunk of matter approves and sees it and confirms its reality (like communications). We are not enough for ourselves, but the distinction and delimitation between self and other is arbitrary, the other minds are just fake, we must only confirm ourselves and we don’t need to communicate.
Then we need to lie to ourselves and force it (but you know it is a lie, but then who or what knows ? fake it and confirm it anyways, but the reality principle is still operating and forcing you to abide, but the principle itself is at the same level of false and truth, a symbol, all is just a symbol, a bit, hence all is at the same level, no need to confirm something that is just always the same, you lose and win anyways..)
SHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKALAAK A LAKK,SHPAAK A LAKK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A ALK SHPAKA AHLAAK A LAKK, SHLAAKA LAAK A SHPAAAK A LAAK, SHLAAK A SHPAAK ALAAK SHLAAK A LAKKK SHPAAKK A LAKKK…
“But you’re not a boy anymore, but an old man and it’s time to put away childish things. The hope of Israel is dead – it turned into a nightmare because the people kept saying “Never again” even as they became the perpetrators. American Jews sometimes go to live there and return disenchanted – amazed at the insularity and hatred of all other people.”
Say, Vladdy, you wrote something I agree with for once, and probably the only time.
I have also met some American Jews that tried to live in Israel. They said, contrary to how Met portrays it, that it was a very hate-filled place, that the racial tension in the American South (whites v blacks) really had NOTHING on Jew vs Arab hate. Its older and deeper than you can even imagine in your wildest Aryan wet dreams.
Many Isrealies also openly state that they should have had a “final solution” to the Palestinian problem when they had the chance a long time ago, and regret that they didn’t.
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For the record – asoka.’s 9:38 post crossed with my 10:00 post. And your 9:38 post was pretty good, a..
But – just two days ago you were calling all US veterans “WAR CRIMINALS!” and saying how they should all vanish forever from CFN.
Then you posted a helpful Wikipedia list of worldwide veterans organizations – calling every single one of them “WAR CRIMINALS!”
There are certain terms, “racist” for example, designed to inflame anger and emotion and shut down honest dialog. It is wise to use those words appropriately and sparingly not to throw them around like confetti.
ha ha ha, “read, forget, repeat” is my pick for the quote of the week, so far…as for our ‘current crop’, i consider the first despot as such; there has been an elite class (@ least that s how they see themselves) pretty much since we settled down into agriculture and commerce, with a revolving door of emporers, church leaders and dictators- not always different people- ever since…my problem isn t necessarily with agriculture & commerce themselves; rather with concentrations of power/wealth leading to the violence needed to perpetuate that concentration…i think the reason that no empire has lasted any historically significant length of time is that basically, the majority of humans of whatever era can discern when they are being treated unfairly, or as a tool for the furtherance of someone else s agenda (personal wealth, power, etc), combined with the apparent fact that the socio/psychopathic mentality required to assemble an empire tend to expand endlessly, with a (false) sense of infallibility and superiority past the point of sustainability…which our current- that is present-day “leaders” have done in spades, so to speak…
Yep, I listened to that clusterfuck and feel Chomsky was given WAAAY too much of the limited time to put everyone to sleep with his one-tracked droning. Dmitri called it, “a dismal public affair” and was probably relieved that he had to abandon his phone line early on in the debacle. It’s easy to see why JHK gets a bit “chafed” with these single-focus ramblers. Those with blinders on can willingly believe a lot of things that aren’t true just by missing loads of mitigating factors that are unaccounted.
(Lest we get sidetracked, let’s be clear what blinders are used for.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinders
Ix, the above was responding to you. Sorry.
Ummmmm………..
Ha!
Great song from Daniel Lanois, X.
Notice the mechanics of the open tuning (I’m sure you have). Makes for lots of suspensions and modal tonalities (tonic and fifth) that always please my ear. The vibrations of the spheres…
“But please keep in mind that there are many, many people born with diabetes, not because they have an unhealthy lifestyle like most type 2 diabetics. Likewise, many people, millions, have bad hearts through no fault of their own.” -btb-
I know it, Bill. That’s what makes the “slippery slope” so slippery. My bottom line as regards health care – especially government funded health care – is that the benefits should be skewed in favor of those who will make some efforts to take care of their own health. The system we have now will not go on forever.
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And thanks for your comments on Israel. I’ll try to type my own response, or a question or two, later on today.
“…the rampant privatization that they insist upon will be a painful expensive enterprise where most Americans will be very hurt. What kind of pain is it going to take to get people to wake up?”
I dunno, but I think it’s more like: how MUCH pain is it going to take?
There’s far too much hubris, wishful thinking, “rescued by Jayzuz”, and false hope spread around this now-benighted FUSA. Pain is the solvent that will be used to finally wash away this baked-on crust of crapola in which we’re entombed, and (sorry to say) it’s gonna take a LOT of it.
sorry, wasn t quite finished…now considering collapse of today s paradigm, around the world, i think we ve really got a unique situation, in that we have mass communication systems like no other time in history- at least for now- which gives Us, The People (of Earth) a venue of education and consensus like never before…i believe that the time is now for the 99% (i love it; an easy way to say everyone but the bastards in charge) to take charge of our planet, and eliminate the need for borders and conflicts, so that we can work on the triage and first-aid that earth and her children- that is, all life; not just humans, so desperately need on that score, i greatly admire the women in liberia who got tired enough of war to get together and make some real changes…it escapes me how women and right-thinking men have allowed the bullies to run things throughout most of our short time on earth, and while i believe men & women should share equally in life, i couldn t blame you for giving us a 10,000 year run in your shoes for a change, considering… something about turn-about being fair play…? how do YOU like it, huh?! sorry for the novel; as a formerly bullied, reasonably intelligent empath, i have a bit o’ the rightous anger on my sleeve at the mis-treatment of any group; i m with rodney on this one: why can t we all just get along?!
??? beercans? wha…? and wtftstf is a fleshlite?
Aw, Chuck, thanks, but it should have read:
History: Read, Forget, Repeat….
And Turkle, I think that the biggest problem in the Israeli – Palestinian dispute is the unwillingness to COMPROMISE. We see the same thing in Republican v Democrat issues in the US Senate.
BUT: The Palestinians HAVE indicated willingness to recognize Israel. The Israelis do not want to reciprocate in recognizing the Palestinian pre-1967 borders. Thus the so-called ‘settlements’ in Palestinian territory.
And it goes on & on & on…..
Will it ever end?
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P2C said:
We’ve got, literally, millions of insulin dependent diabetics who won’t do the hard work to successfully alter their diets. And we’ve got many other heart by-pass patients, dependent for life on Plavix or whatever – who won’t change their lifestyles, or diets, or quit smoking, or get any aerobic exercise.
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I don’t quite agree with you here. Spain is 8th on the cigarettes consumed per capita list and the US is 39th. Guess who lives longer. Also, you overlook the fact that AGING ITSELF, with only a loose correlation to weight (short of morbid obesity), is often responsible for the breakdown in the body’s ability to process LIPIDS which are the real problem in type II diabetes.
There’s no doubt that Americans don’t exercise enough and there I couldn’t agree with you more. Indeed, it appears that if one sifts through complex epidemiological data, MOVING YOUR BODY increases longevity more than fat consumption reduces it. Even the heavy-smoking Europeans (like Greeks and Spaniards) live longer than us because they generally walk a lot more.
Smoking appears to have its deadliest effects on cultures that smoke heavily and have lifestyle stress like the old Eastern Bloc countries. If one were to try to look for the REAL causes of early death, it would appear that lifestyle stress and lack of exercise are bigger culprits than smoking and eating fats. The Greeks and Spanish have a more laissez faire view of life and I think that accounts for a lot.
E.
Did he catch Leon Panetta (who used to be my congressman) in front of a bunch of troops denying that the US had anything to do with the murder of another Iranian nuclear scientist?
Leon says with a straight face “America doesn’t do that”.
And maybe they cut the sound, but I didn’t hear any laughter.
He should have been laughed off the stage.
Last night I told one of my co-workers that I was sorry that he was being sent to Afghanistan in two days.
He was pretty mad about it. I quote “they didn’t even use lube this time”.
A patient heard me and said that her grandson had already done 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and had recently re-enlisted. I said that it was too bad that he re-enlisted right as the US was starting another war in Iran.
She said, no problem, he was in the Navy.
I think that the Navy is going to be involved in this war, but didn’t say that to her.
Also, she said that her grandson used to have a drinking and drug problem, but being in the Navy helped him. Well, good, I said, although I wondered if she had never heard the term “drunken sailor”.
ProCon said: “Then you posted a helpful Wikipedia list of worldwide veterans organizations – calling every single one of them “WAR CRIMINALS!”
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I did no such thing. Here is what I posted.
asoka. | January 12, 2012 1:45 AM | Warn all war criminals to stay away.
I did not say every member of veterans’ organizations are war criminals. But it makes sense that if you are going to warn war criminals to stay away, and there are “x” number of war criminals, they might be found hiding among the honorable members of veteran’s organizations.
In your crusade to tarnish what I say and portray it as “impeding” dialog, you are distorting what I say. This is not helpful to dialog.
Right, E.
To subsidize corn and cars, and then blame citizens for their poor health, is getting it backwards.
Our zoning laws, leading to sprawl, leading to dependence on cars, coupled with agribusiness subsidies, leading to 6,000 calories per person in America, just in corn (!) leads to massively spread ill health among the population, which leads to high medical bills, prompting calls, not for new zoning laws, public transportation, walkable cities, and cutting off welfare to latifundia owners, but to cutting off medical care!
Well played, masters of the universe.
You know, the whole Israeli v Palestinian thing reminds me of two kids on the playground:
Drop Dead!
No, you drop dead!
You drop dead first!
No, YOU drop dead first!
And it goes on & on until they graduate high school, and start using guns……
It will probably only end at some date in the future when the last Israeli & Palestinian are clubbing each other over the head with sticks…..
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And you know what, just a week ago the Israelis were NOT denying it, now they are. Guess old Leon got them in line.
Iran strike next!
not sure what you mean by the question, there…what i was trying to convey is that historically groups of bullies have terrorized the rest of us, and i m sick of it…sorry about any rambling confusion; i tend to sort out my feelings by expressing them, not aways clearly, i guess…
Forgetting is Remembering, forgetting is saving ourselves, we must forget in order to remember, we must forget our present configuration of bits in our memory in order to remember a new better configuration, since forgetting and remembering are ghosts, only the configuration of bits in our memory counts, so just assign the configurations as you want: and assign the configurations of everyone’s else memory so that they are reciprocally coherent, they are sychronized, but by making all the memories different we can create a new disjoint reality, no consensus here, everyone “remembers” something different (but they didn’t notice that their memories were assigned by tobor), a matrix of misunderstandings, a disjoint complex incoherent matrix of incorrect memories where all the observers had to forget themselves to save themselves, had to forget themselves to remember their true selves, had to assign new memories to be true to themselves, as in death, the great memory of all remembered forever, play around with memories, falsify them, all is false, true and false are just two bits, assign them from the outset.
And rub it in, all the universe will see your mistake, but no one knows what the other is “talking about” (only infinite regret, self torture, but for what ? ghosts…), break down all communication (it gets too personal ? too personal even for the person ? what person ? a block of texts ?)…
Save ourselves from ourselves…
I’m always amazed when right wingers complain about the Special Olympics kids getting medals for participating. Damn retarded brats! Let them learn what losers they really are!
But the same people see no problem with the military and intelligence people in charge on 9-11 getting medals and promotions. WTF?
Heads should have rolled, shouldn’t they have?
If the military, the fattest, best equipped on the planet, failed so miserably as to let 4 planes fly around for 2 hours unintercepted? Over the most heavily populated part of the US? And then manage to circle the head of the military for 3 minutes and then fly into the auditors working on the missing money?
Why were the military leaders most involved given medals and promotions? Why was George Tenet given the Medal of Honor?
Let’s quit picking on the children in Little League and start asking accountability of those supposedly in charge of the defense of the USA.
Whoops. Incomplete sentence. I guess it’s lucky for me that Q is dead.
If the military, the fattest, best equipped on the planet, failed so miserably as to let 4 planes fly around for 2 hours unintercepted, why was it rewarded with billions more dollars, and why were the leaders in charge promoted?
Ozone – Whoa there, man. I don’t think it’s at all a good idea to call science (Science?) a religion.
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You need to distinquish between true ‘science’ and what poses as such at times. People by nature are predisposed to belief, and scientists are not immune to that condition. Happens all the time, metaphysics posing as science, and some of our best scientists have been guilty of it.
As I have mentioned here before, it is almost ‘chapter and verse’ that the mind is a product of the brain in ‘modern’ neuroscience (actually, there is growing questioning of that assertion). In spite of the fact that there is absolutely no proof of that, or even any progress in finding such proof.
In fact, the very notion that something immaterial can be the emergent property of something that is material does not exist anywhere else in nature.
Once before Turkle you asked what I supposed the mind was if not a product of the brain. I would answer truthfully, and like a real scientist should, “I don’t know”. I might postulate that it could be something completely ‘other’, in the sense that ‘mind’ is not a component of some unified self, as we assume.
And people who invade other people’s countries shouldn’t be surprised when those people object and when some of them take up arms to resist the invaders.
To invade someone’s country and then to be indignant when they try to shoot you is to be so naive as to be downright stupid.
And Marine snipers don’t engage in some sort of equal shootout like you see in cowboy movies. They are usually in no danger. They hide and pick people off. And the people they kill may not even be “guilty” of the “crime” of attacking their invaders.
And if you’re going to quit reading this blog, just quit. Don’t beseech JHK to shut it down because you personally don’t like it.
Where’d you read that theory, in a David Icke book?
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Actually, his notion of ‘Rothschilds taking over America’ is a favorite theme of Icke’s, along with the ‘reptilian alien overlord’ thingy. I think it best to disregard M and let him migrate back to the internet world of conspiratorial fantasy. We already have enough of that here.
Thanks for your kind comments, Asoka. I really appreciate them.
Anyway, you bore me. You have zero original thought and I already heard all that regurgitated propaganda nonsense that you parrot a million times before.
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regurgitated propaganda nonsense = historical reality
You’re absolutely right, Caleb.
The reason why a movie has been made now about MM, is I believe, because the story of a beautiful woman who had everything, was idolized by millions, yet was lonely and used by many, couldn’t overcome her own demons, only to die young tragically, is timeless.
My first crush on any woman was Marilyn Monroe. She was the first woman I really loved, and therefore the most precious. I know, however, it never would have worked out between us.
“What’s the point?”
–Turkle
What’s the point? Hey Turkle, what’s the point of 95% of the weekly posts on this site? I’ve been asking 8man/old6699/tegmark what’s the point for a year and haven’t gotten any answers yet.
To those Marines who pissed on the dead Taliban: claim that you are Gay. Homos are all the rage now, ‘specially in the military. Instead of being scapegoated there will be medals all around, and maybe promotions.
–WSP7
Think about it, Vlad. No group of people is blameless. Certainly Israelis have done bad things, as well as Jews in general. But most groups aren’t all bad or good. What gets me isn’t the criticisms, it’s the constant criticisms without balancing them off. As a member of a particular group, I naturally will complain when my group is unfairly represented. You should agree, because you get upset when you feel your group, whites, are attacked more often than praised.
To subsidize corn and cars, and then blame citizens for their poor health, is getting it backwards. – Wagelab
Only if citizens are helpless infants.
You control what goes in your mouth and your kids’ mouths and your level of physical activity. If you aren’t in control then ask yourself why. Your own failure maybe?
If you and your kids are the size of small houses then exercise more and eat less. This is not rocket science.
They are usually in no danger. – Wagelab
You know this how?
And people who invade other people’s countries shouldn’t be surprised when those people object and when some of them take up arms to resist the invaders…./
Oh Wage, don’t you know, it’s us, Americans and when we invade a country it’s a good thing, cuz it’s us!!
We’ll bring freedom, democracy and neoliberalism to all. That’s what Thomas Friedman really means when he says, “The World is Flat”. Now the world is safe for McDonald’s. Whew.. I’m so relieved.
Here’s the point: if all the alternative, OWSers, poor, unemployed you name it keep on parroting the official views, the same old BS of “jobs” and “hard work” and “you have to deserve it” and “be your own boss”, etc. and never really look into how this godda*m economic system really works, and how really simple it is, that they should bluntly and proudly and loudly ask for scot free handouts, a free ride, free salaries and free houses (super luxury mcmansion is even better) they will never start the debate where it should start: what to do with the huge amount of wealth already in the system, and what to do with the wealth the system creates automatically.
But it is too difficult for people to bend their minds into the truth, they just can’t accept money without work, when that is the only solution and that is the way this economy really works. They just can’t believe that this is how this economy works, it goes against everything they ever heard or thought, the entire culture, the entire operating system of our minds.
And put in all the greens and resource scarcity thugs chanting how eveything is running out, therefore you being poor and without a job, your sacrifice is more than justified and deserved, is more than right, and everyone believes this and accepts this. And put in that the very poor and unemployed are often those that cling the most to the traditional view of hard work and “we need jobs”, and “we don’t want handouts and be parasites, etc.” and so they are their own enemies: they can’t simply say what they really need and should want. FREE MONEY, since that money is being given away for free by the trillions to banks and the rich and to corporate profits anyways, etc.
But the very unemployed will buy into the very ideology that is hosing them, more training, more education, your skill set is not right, you have to deserve it, don’t be a freeloader, welfare queen, and so on, and they are 100 % convinced that this is reality when the reality is that this economy NO LONGER NEEDS JOBS AT ALL, JOBS ARE OBSOLETE, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, HENCE ASK FOR YOUR SURVIVAL AND FREE MONEY AND HOMES JUST TO LIVE.
And in fact it is true the military and defense and the government does give out free salaries (but makes believe that they are jobs) and in fact this is already a sign of how the economy really works, it doesn’t need work it needs to give out salaries and money to make only some work and the rest pretend to work.
But go on, keep on saying that “you all want jobs”, that you all want “more equality”, etc. If you said you want a free salary you would immediately break all the mental computer programs that are running this economy, you would finally hit the nail on the head, and all of this is even more true for the EU and JAPAN, go figure.
And people would start debating the real issues, the real structure of this economy and maybe we could all get somewhere…
I am worried about tzatza, maybe the killer, the Kramp killed him too ? very strange, who knows, strange things happen here….
Do you all really think that there are all these new skills you need ? new training ? all these new jobs ? who has ever seen them ? they all believe in these fairy tale BS that is hosing them…
So it’s all hunky dory and even stephen then. Meanwhile International Jewish Power is seeking to make any criticism of Jews illegal – with the power to extradite the offenders to other countries for trial.
You really are something. For decades you all portrayed yourselves are perfect and perfect victims. Now when the story begins to fray you become offended that Jews are being slandered in the media – the alternative media that is since you all still control the official one. Bill it’s the rebalancing: inevitable and righteous. It could go too far and then you have a right and duty to speak up. But it hasn’t gone far enough yet.
Remember, when Nixon was asked the long term prospects for Israel he gave a thumbs down. The founding was brutal and the Arabs and Muslims will never forget. You should have taken Madagascar, but your pride wouldn’t let you. Now with your power in America, you seek to have us destroy all your enemies as outlined by the Project for a New American Century and the Israeli report “Securing the Realm”. All of this is available online – such is your hubris. The Arabs know you plan to pick them off one by one. Guess what – they’re not going to let you/us.
If only Americans could see the perfect trap and escape by voting for Ron Paul who could at least veto much of this nonsense and keep us out. But we’re too far gone – utterly distracted and dumbed down. We will go like sheep to the slaughter just as your evil Leaders want us to.
Friedman said the world was hot and flat. Marilyn was hot and anything but flat. I’ll take Marilyn and she will be my world – her curves my bliss, her smiles my heaven. When her skirt blows up all of nature cries out in joy. The squirrels and chipmonks clap their little hand paws together. The human monks grimly keep their eyes down and chant louder. They are humbled – the good ones smile in appreciation of the fact.
Iran has responded to the US sanctions by rejecting US dollars in favor of the Russian Ruble and Iranian Rial or Riat or whatever is is. Saddam sealed his doom by a similar gesture but without Russia. And get this, the Iranians claim that this is all Russia’s idea! Meanwhile a Russian fleet has just docked in Syria. Bad, bad, bad….buy gold before it jumps up to 3000.
http://www.beaconequity.com/cuban-missile-crisis-the-sequel-3000-gold-possible-2012-01-09/
Americans are naive in that they think that other peoples want what they want, that there exist universal values.
But other people do not want what Americans want, values aren’t universal and people in different parts of the world don’t think the way Americans do.
So US forces go to liberate Iraq from that evil tyrant Saddam. Good job that. Just don’t expect gratitude. And don’t expect a liberal democracy either but rather a succession of cutthroats in the presidential palace. Assassination is a time honored way of transfering power.
Americans like to think that they have the world’s best institutes of higher learning. And maybe that’s the case. But regardless of all this learning and knowledge somehow American leadership still doesn’t seem to grasp that in other parts of this world the tribal drums beat loudly and loyalties and identities go no farther than the family or the clan or the people that live within earshot of the village bell tower or minaret. The “nation” does not in these people’s minds.
You see what happens when you try to do an “election” in such places. Simmering thousand year old vendettas boil over and bodies start to litter the roads and fields.
And what a neat surprise when an election does happen and pillars of liberalism and gender equality like the Muslim Brotherhood get huge numbers of votes. But wait, if you don’t like the Muslim Brotherhood, there’s alternatives out there that make them look reasonable.
Leftists http://www.theendrun.com/paul-haters-caught-planning-to-dress-up-as-kkk-pose-as-paul-supportersand possibly Mainstream Republicans plan false flag against Ron Paul as they did against his son Rand.
Good. Lotsa people hangin’ out. Let’s not forget what happened in Mogadishu in 1993. Now that was some spectacular desecration. One of those Rangers was a friend of mine. I would like to meet you one day assoka. So that I can drive you into the ground like a goddamn tent peg.
You know, someone said above somewhere that Ron Paul wants to put the US back on the gold standard.
Here is how much gold there is in Ft. Knox:
“Gold holdings peaked during World War II at 20,205 metric tons (649.6 million oz. troy). Today, holdings are 4,578 metric tons (147.2 million oz. troy ) in 368,000 standard, 400 oz. troy (12.4 kg or 27.4 lb avoirdupois) gold bars. At August 22, 2011 rates of $1890.04 an ounce [5] it is worth $278.3 billion, while the World War II total of 649.6 million oz. troy would be worth $909 billion. ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bullion_Depository
Amount of Dollars in circulation:
“Currently, the US government maintains over 800 billion US dollars in cash money (primarily Federal Reserve Notes) in circulation.[44][45]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar
Now, either the value of gold will have to increase quite a lot, or the value of the dollar will have to decrease quite a lot.
So, its really not practical now to try to revert to a gold standard.
Anyway, we are on the Black Gold standard, and that is why the US fights tooth & nail to keep oil from being valued in ANY other currency. And they will keep fighting to keep it that way for as long as possible.
This has been a public service message.
Dee out 🙂
P.S. I forgot to add that the amount of Dollars in circulation is really probably twice the amount officially stated by the Fed. It could even be three or four times that amount.
Now try backing THAT up with a gold bar.
You’d get just a tiny, tiny sliver for each dollar.
Dee 🙂
I would like to meet you one day assoka. So that I can drive you into the ground like a goddamn tent peg.
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It would be a pleasure to meet you. I’m sure we would become friends. Same goes with ProCon.
Calm down fellah (from the Egyptian Felaheen or commoner), the Revolution isn’t going to start from here. Itz just a blog, ok? And I don’t post under other names just this one. Sorry.
Oh and tell Luccan that you guys can’t be copperheads too. Copperheads are Northerners who hold Southern, Pro White views. That’s me and Louise Day Hicks. You damn Liberal Yankees have taken everything from Whites and now you find yourselves with no culture so you try to take even that from us.
Dee, my reply is the same I gave to Turkle: You’re not Jewish, so you have no concept of what is really going on. Yes, Israel has done some nasty things. Not that my next statement is an excuse, but so has every other nation in the world. Yet, no other nation’s right to exist is threatened so regularly. Why is that? Could it have anything to do with anti-semitism? Before I would even try to respond in detail to you, just tell me Israel has the right to exist, and its neighbors should formally recognize it. Then we’ll talk – and that’s the point of all my recent postings.
‘Why the hell should we care whose fucking feelings we hurt if call the major a Muslim terrorist.’
Nice post, My thoughts are that theres a bigger agenda.
Multi Cultural, Remove Borders.
Soros and his ‘open’ society.
That might be alright – the standard is what’s important not the exact ratio. But the Rothschilds or the Chinese might fuck be able to fuck with our dollar if they had large gold deposits when it comes to international trade. Still alright, but it would alter how we do business. Hitler had none at all: he bartered with other Countries for what he needed – German steel for Argentine wheat or whatever.
If the problems proved insurmountable, we could adopt a social credit system as Ezra Pound suggested. My point is that the Constitution shouldn’t be cavalierly discounted if at all possible. The Social Credit system would require alot of overseeing from the Federal Level and would help keep them very strong – not good.
You said “someone”. Still trying to invalidate me. Wont work. I’m not only a smart guy, but I know that I’m a smart guy. If only you were Marilyn. She used to practice in front of the mirror saying “suck” and “fuck”.
Fine, you can exist. Now does White America have a right to exist? Yes? Then why did the Jews use all their power for generations to open our borders? Jews have prospered here but instead of being grateful you wanted even more power (you already had far more than your 2 or 3 percent would indicate). And our WASP Elite went along with it too.
Just as in the Communist Revolution, the Jews are massively over represented in this Overthrow as well. It’s not going to turn out well for you or for us. I think that much is clear isn’t it? As Ernst Zundel said, You are a tragic people, always over reaching, never assimilating and always meddling in the affairs of the countries in which you live.
‘I’m always amazed when right wingers complain about the Special Olympics kids getting medals for participating’
Can you cite a source?
You’re not Gentile yet you get to meddle in our business all you want? Is this is your idea of an equal relationship? If you get to profer your opinions about America, we get to do the same about Israel.
Yeah, but there’s that dang slippery slope again. Who is it that get’s to decide what the bottom line is? Restrict overweight people with bad hearts to 1600 calories/day? And how does the subject prove they’ve obeyed the rule? How do you prove a type 2 diabetic didn’t sneak a candy bar or 2?
I believe that what it comes down to the lack of availability of public funds. As much as we want to help people, the government doesn’t have the money to become involved in medical care. They can’t legislate to force the medical industry to provide universal health care because, sooner or later, if the government doesn’t use public funds, not all health care providers would get paid, or get paid adequately. The money just isn’t there. It isn’t me spouting my opinions and being a callous hardass, it’s the mathematics.
That’s why young people today aren’t going to have Medicare tomorrow.
Mika, I knew when I posted about Israel what comments would result. I should have my head examined
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Hehe, you did the Jewish thing to do. 😀
You knew the impossibility of the situation, the impossibility of the odds, and you still went ahead with it. You stood against psychological tyranny, and you went against the flow.
That’s the difference, Bill. That’s what makes you, you. That’s what makes me, me. That’s what makes us, us. That’s our uniqueness, Bill. We never ever give up. That’s what separates us from all the rest, who can just fantasize about similar will and determination. 🙂
I’ll be the Source. Making a big deal about Mongoloids is bizarre, right up there with Toddlers and Tiarras, animal hoarding, fantasy baseball, etc. Some of these people are loveable and their families cherish them. Some of them can even work – and I’d be the last one to ever make their jobs hard or unpleasant. I would be very supportive as a boss or a co-worker – as long as they could do the job. And of course there are special work sites for people with special needs, a fine idea.
Heil! You must love Triumph of the Will.
Bill has been defeated. It doesn’t matter how good a debater he is, the Truth and the Right are not on his side.
LOL! Vlad, you’re so cute with all that malice. It must drive you crazy that no matter how hard you try, you’re always short. 😀
“Yet, no other nation’s right to exist is threatened so regularly. ” In their paranoid imaginations perhaps. I think that right now Iran would also dispute this with you. Especially Iran, who is threatened almost on a DAILY basis by Israel, the ONLY nuclear armed nation in the ME, who also actually threatens to USE them on Iran. You don’t think that Irans ‘right to exist’ isn’t being threatened?
You see, its a two way street. The sign doesn’t say One Way, Only the Israeli Way.
“Before I would even try to respond in detail to you, just tell me Israel has the right to exist, and its neighbors should formally recognize it.”
If Israel will also recognize the right to exist of the Palestinians, and all their other Arab neighbors to live in peace without being threatened by Israels nukes. And if Israel will also promise to disarm all their nukes.
AGAIN, its a two way street. The sign doesn’t say One Way, Only the Israeli Way.
Until there is COMPROMISE, there will be no Peace.
Unless its the Peace of the Cemetery.
ONCE AGAIN, its a two way street. The sign doesn’t say One Way, Only the Israeli Way.
Dee 🙂
Until there is COMPROMISE
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There was already a compromise. It’s called Jordan. I’d be very careful about pushing another “compromise”. There might be no Jordan, no Egyptian Sinai, no Gaza, and no US. You fscks just keep pushing.
E said, “That last post of 8man’s is one of the cruelest pieces of prose ever seen on CFN and it’s TOTALLY INCORRECT from a purely factual point of view.”
Its our fault, we acknowledge his existence. We feed the troll, he starts to swell like rotting fish…
Somebody, maybe Bustin, said he’d be willing to bet 100 dollars that Obama will win this fall. I was going to offer to put down $50 against his $100.
But – now watching the “anointing” of Mittens. And how the Repubs and their talking heads are infighting, over even the POSSIBILITY of Wall Street malfeasance, or heaven forbid, populism.
I’m asking for better odds. I’ll put down $10 against $100. And I’ll be expecting to lose.
“…on “Today” on NBC, Romney defended the statement, rejecting the notion that there were questions about Wall Street behavior, saying the whole discussion was about class warfare. He even went so far as to suggest that such talk shouldn’t even be openly entertained. When the interviewer asked, “Are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being seen as envy, though?” Romney responded, “I think it’s fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms and discussions about tax policy and the like.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/opinion/blow-bitter-politics-of-envy.html?_r=1
Amazing. No way these guys are going to win
Not that it really matters – except for SCOTUS picks. I think Obama’s SCOTUS choices will favor more Federal power – with all that entails – for squashing what’s left of freedom in this country.
Moron Repubs. Brilliant RW Authoritarian PTB. bah!
“The 370-foot tanker carrying more than 1.3 million gallons of fuel was shepherded through hundreds of miles of sea ice by a Coast Guard icebreaker.”
Russian oil, soon to be desperate people in Nome, Alaska. I’ll bet if you include the cost of the Coast Guard cutter, and the other ship – that oil is over $20.00 per gallon.
What’s the point of living in Nome?
I’ll suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for more than 100 people to live up there without petroleum.
There’s only so much whale blubber and seal meat available – and not much solar power.
You see these ridiculous population figures, that show the US as underpopulated compared to other countries. I wonder how much the huge iceboxes known as Alaska, or North Dakota – throw the calculations. Without oil, we’re way over capacity, already.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/renda-fuel-tanker-nome-arrival_n_1203886.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D127511
Goofy looking link – hope it works.
Baby sitting duty tonight.
I’ll be back.
“We feed the troll, he starts to swell like rotting fish…” -Bustin on a J
There’s a “ripe moment” for ya, awright. ;o)
OK, Bill – let me take a shot at this.
I’ll take a small shot, if you please, because I’d like to have an ongoing dialog with you for a week or two. And of COURSE Israel has a right to exist.
“Yet, no other nation’s right to exist is threatened so regularly. Why is that? Could it have anything to do with anti-semitism?” -btb-
I don’t know, Bill. I just looked up some facts, though. There are not quite 6 million Jews in Israel, surrounded by – Lord I Do NOT Know How Many but it’s a WHOLE BIG BUNCH – let’s say, 100’s of millions of Arabs. It’s a hostile neighborhood, in other words. It would be hostile without antisemitism, which is not to say that antisemitism does not exist. (Parenthetically, I’m not sure there is supposed to be a hyphen in “anti-semitism.” You tell me, man, you’re the Jewish guy. hehe)
Established in 1948 – at war immediately, then at war in ’67 and ’73 – I wish somebody had had a better plan for getting along with the neighbors.
Not that the neighbors have not been a Royal Pain in the ass – moving forward through history.
Let me try to truncate this wandering post into some sort of a question.
What do you, as an American Jew, believe should be the best direction for US/Israeli relations to progress?
Methuselah, seems to say that if the US would just get out of the way – that the Israelis would fend for themselves much better.
I’ll tell you that there is strong support for Israel, among the RW political community in the United States. I’m not sure how deep the support is, but it’s wide and noisy. Just ask WideSpreadPanic, sometimes.
Dinner’s down – baby waiting.
To be continued…
Go on, keep on “changing the subject”, keep on confusing people and filling their heads with all kinds of really petty struggles, past wrongs, the jews, the blacks, iran, the vatican, the candidates, who did this and who did that, go on. Never talk of the “structure”, the real “rules operating behind the curtains”, why our econmic system works as it does.
Keep on making believe oil and energy and land and all is running out, keep on doing the the good work CFN nation writers (while calling me cruel when I was being mostly ironic and paradoxical, but it seems that that is too hard to figure out): this can justify firing people (there is not enough (money ?), energy costs too much, oil costs too much, gas costs too much), keep on telling us all the environment and nature is in danger so then better close some manufacturing plants, better fire some more workers: I find it incredible that at least no one wants to recognize that there is a dilemma, a clash going on between working and the economy and saving nature, it will be very hard to make people work and save nature at the same time, but obviously those that want to save nature don’t have to work (or never had to) for a living or never think about how work, manufacturing and the economy enter in the equation, for them it is all ok and right to just fire workers and close plants, close activities, better save a tree and hose a job. You guys must all br kind of rich and not have to worry about where the “jobs” will be in the future, it seems much more important to save “nature” than to feed yourselves, you must all have nice comfortable government jobs or protected jobs or somehow you all must be independent of the economy.
I call a spade a spade and I say the myth of all of these new jobs and opportunities is just that, a myth, not true, just there to convince people that jobs are still necessary and available (if you are willing to work hard enough ?) when the Technological Economy is getting rid of all kinds of jobs ever more.
I call a spade a spade and say either you want to leave nature untouched and people starving and suffering and “no more jobs” or you want to put people first and nature second: decide.
I call a spade a spade and say either you stop believing that it is a sin, wrong and not appropriate and good manners to ask for free stuff since there is no other way to get it since there will be fewer and fewer ways to get it, since getting stuff will depend on getting jobs, but getting jobs is no longer in the cards and getting jobs is conditioned on you having so many quirk skills, talents and personalities that it will be made virtually impossible (but you will always feel guilty because of this, because the system makes it always seem that you are not up to it, the victim is always to blame) or you must accept the present and ever more harsh economic situation for the weaker social classes and ever more even for the middle social classes and ever more inequality, the 1 % are allowed to simply hog up all while the 99 % ask for imaginary “jobs” and “that they think they deserve it”, when all the cards are against them structurally and especially ideologically.
Like when one wants a pretty girl but she wants a pretty mind, so which is more important, the mind and thought paths or the body and eyes ? are they both information or are they both fake, or a function of a function, or inverse, an assignment deciding which is which is important or just symbols and ghosts ? a prettymidis boring after, what are you supposed to do with it ? a pretty face (body ?) is boring, after what are you supposed to do with it ? everything ends… my only friend the end….
QUO VADIS, BABY
Go on, keep on “changing the subject”, keep on confusing people and filling their heads with all kinds of really petty struggles, past wrongs, the jews, the blacks, iran, the vatican, the candidates, who did this and who did that, go on. Never talk of the “structure”, the real “rules operating behind the curtains”, why our econmic system works as it does.
Keep on making believe oil and energy and land and all is running out, keep on doing the the good work CFN nation writers (while calling me cruel when I was being mostly ironic and paradoxical, but it seems that that is too hard to figure out): this can justify firing people (there is not enough (money ?), energy costs too much, oil costs too much, gas costs too much), keep on telling us all the environment and nature is in danger so then better close some manufacturing plants, better fire some more workers: I find it incredible that at least no one wants to recognize that there is a dilemma, a clash going on between working and the economy and saving nature, it will be very hard to make people work and save nature at the same time, but obviously those that want to save nature don’t have to work (or never had to) for a living or never think about how work, manufacturing and the economy enter in the equation, for them it is all ok and right to just fire workers and close plants, close activities, better save a tree and hose a job. You guys must all be kind of rich and not have to worry about where the “jobs” will be in the future, it seems much more important to save “nature” than to feed yourselves, you must all have nice comfortable government jobs or protected jobs or somehow you all must be independent of the economy.
I call a spade a spade and I say the myth of all of these new jobs and opportunities is just that, a myth, not true, just there to convince people that jobs are still necessary and available (if you are willing to work hard enough ?) when the Technological Economy is getting rid of all kinds of jobs ever more.
I call a spade a spade and say either you want to leave nature untouched and people starving and suffering and “no more jobs” or you want to put people first and nature second: decide.
I call a spade a spade and say either you stop believing that it is a sin, wrong and not appropriate and good manners to ask for free stuff since there is no other way to get it since there will be fewer and fewer ways to get it, since getting stuff will depend on getting jobs, but getting jobs is no longer in the cards and getting jobs is conditioned on you having so many quirk skills, talents and personalities that it will be made virtually impossible (but you will always feel guilty because of this, because the system makes it always seem that you are not up to it, the victim is always to blame) or you must accept the present and ever more harsh economic situation for the weaker social classes and ever more even for the middle social classes and ever more inequality, the 1 % are allowed to simply hog up all while the 99 % ask for imaginary “jobs” and “that they think they deserve it”, when all the cards are against them structurally and especially ideologically.
Like when one wants a pretty girl but she wants a pretty mind, so which is more important, the mind and thought paths or the body and eyes ? are they both information or are they both fake, or a function of a function, or inverse, an assignment deciding which is which is important or just symbols and ghosts ? a prettymidis boring after, what are you supposed to do with it ? a pretty face (body ?) is boring, after what are you supposed to do with it ? everything ends… my only friend the end….
Like when one wants a pretty girl but she wants a pretty mind, so which is more important, the mind and thought paths or the body and eyes ? are they both information or are they both fake, or a function of a function, or inverse, an assignment deciding which is which is important or just symbols and ghosts ? a pretty mind is boring, after, what are you supposed to do with it ? a pretty face (body ?) is boring, after what are you supposed to do with it ? everything ends… my only friend the end….
QUO VADIS, BABY
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At least acknowledge that there is a conflict between work and nature, there is a contradiction, a problem. What is your coherent complete solution ? if you don’t want people building chips and electronics in factories, what do you want them to do ? be all little farmers ? you have to furnish a complete, monolithic, total and totalizing solution to our problems like mine: I say give out free everything to all and then also build things, a lot, high speed trains, rockets, bus systems, cars, etc. which will also provide for some real jobs, but the jobs will never be enough given the degree of technology reached today, so those that don’t have a job need a salary, there is no other possible solution, and they can buy all the stuff they need: make nature pay for it, since science will always find a way to recycle and solve problems.
I hope you are wasting a lot of time on this site Busty, please waste a lot of time. And hose your hot girlfriend, study all of my posts instead, very deeply, think about it, you have your “job” cut out for you, you can “occupy” a lot of time this way and not get “bored”…
RON PAUL ANNOUNCEMENT TOMORROW
GOD PUNISHED BY PATRIOTS
There is no God powerful enough to stop the Patriots. God is a weakling.
There is no God with the power to work through Tebow for a win. God is a loser.
If there was a God, He got His butt whipped by the New England Patriots.
43. The Rigged Game – YouTube
– http://goo.gl/vcf21
Same thing happened at the Battle of Lepanto when a Chrisitian fleet defeated a much superior Turkish one. Just before the Battle, the wind shifted in the Christian’s favor. The slave rowers were released from their oars and given rosary beads, swords, the promise of freedom. Even the Turkish Chroniclers admit that God turned His Face from them.
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Bustin was kind to you and you returned his kindness with contempt. You had best retrace your steps because you weren’t born like this and where you’re headed is bad beyond your imagining.
There is a conflict between work and nature. I see it every day and wonder at the futility.
I’d like to be first in line for the free rent thingy.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
So time doesn’t exist all reality is just a sequence of pictures. But the way time becomes perceived is because reality is transitioning to a new picture, 100 % different from the previous but our Man Brain has a mechanism that adds or subtracts values to the signals coming in and forces it to seem always similar, as a smooth flow. Or maybe each picture can only transition to a similar picture next to it and so this limits how wildly different each new picture is (the limits of speed of light ? the laws of physics limiting how far a picture can differ from the previous ?), etc.
Invent other kinds of explanations, all of the permutations of concepts possible, they don’t have to be true, nay, they have to be as false as possible, as fairy tale like as possible, we don’t need “scientific evidence”, we need creative, colorful explanantions that are fun. Only fairys want the truth, we want colorful…
“I’d like to be first in line for the free rent thingy.”
This idea is never taken seriously. But it is dead serious and should be. If you keep on saying that there are all of these “structural problems” like “money is running out, or there is no more money”, “we lived beyond our means”, “we can’t use nuclear energy or else we will all die”, we shouldn’t “consume more, that is bad and cars are creating global warming”, and so on, a never ending list of “don’t do this and don’t do that”, “no more money for all of the entitlements”, etc. Well what do you expect ? How can the economy improve or go anywhere when everyone wants to cut, stop, fire etc. ? All is justified, companies can fire freely, fire govrnement workers, cut costs, cut salaries, cut everything, everyone agrees, everything ran out, oil ran out.
You are givnig the powers that be the perfect excuse and justification to impoverish millions of people, it is all justified, correct, after all, everything is running out and there is not (and will never be enough) for everyone and there are too many people, and the USA is way overpopulated and so on. Great, beat each other up, everyone against everyone but especially all the poor against other poor and the greens and environmentalists are having a ball and a field day, they love to see plants close, people fired, cars not selled, consumerism stopped, etc.
When the truth is the exact opposite, the exact polar opposite: we have never had so much wealth, technology and so much cash and so much of everything as today, and destined to have ever more, only that given the above ideology only the 1 % will hog it up really not knowing what to do with it all, but no one, absolutely no one notices this, understands this, it is truly incredible, like when Hitler went to power and no one noticed what was going on! We need free salaries and free homes for all on earth more than anything else, get it all in you your thick heads, jackasses.
And then the OWSers say inequality is bad, they want something, but they don’t know exactly what…because their mental computer program cannot understand all of what I said is true, it goes completely against how they are all brainwashed so better return to protecting nature, that is an easy way to think, an easy way out, cars are bad, peak oil, consumerism is bad, TV is bad, go on…
Old69, this is a good point. It is the same problem being faced in the Eurozone. The more pressure there is for “fiscal responsibility” and cutting spending, the more growth is weakened. When growth is weakened, GDP declines, and the debt burden relative to GDP actually rises.
In the USA austerity will only weaken growth and increase our debt. We need to spend more.
Obama is busy reducing the size of government. Every month Obama shrinks the government. Every month there are fewer government employees, when we should be increasing the size of government, increasing employment and reaping the benefits of the economic multiplier effect in the private sector.
Obama just keeps reorganizing, making government, including the military, more “efficient” and “streamlined.” What what that means is laying off more government employees, reducing the number of soldiers, making the military smaller. Just how small does Obama think he can make government? If people don’t have an income, who is going to buy private sector goods and services?
A.,
Clearly Obama is doing everything the Republicans want while they continue to call him a fascist, socialist and communist. Get the picture?
Their Presidential hopefuls are the most inarticulate, uninspiring group ever to run and they would like nothing more than for a Democrat to destroy the social safety net. Obama is a man for their season.
I’ll be very surprised if they are really playing this thing to win it.
Thank you very much for picking on me for no reason. I cannot recall advocating the psychological brutalization of the developmentally handicapped, as they are now referred to. I have advocated labelling kids of normal intelligence as “delayed in grade” for repeated failures to pass advancement tests, tests which regrettably don’t really exist even now. Then if they get to some absurdly advanced age for their grade level to the extent that it is manifestly obvious to one and all that they’ll never graduate from high school then they should be shunted off to GED tutoring as a preemptive adjustment, so they are not still beating up hapless high school teachers when they’re twenty years old.
In terms of “right wing” status I am a registered democrat with pronounced socialist tendencies who voted for Obama. I am pissed off at Obama because he failed to use his early advantage to enact national health insurance. Sometimes when I’m really pissed off I vote for libertarian candidates, especially once I stopped voting for Kucinich since he went along with Obama’s asinine health care reform agenda which has of course failed to establish a single payer system.
Neither am I pro-military since I don’t approve of the way the military has been run for quite some time. For one thing, I don’t believe in occupying foreign countries which are not worth “saving”, such as South Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq, or Afghanistan. What I do believe in is launching brief punitive expeditions to punish countries which have attacked us for whatever reason. This is why if we wanted to invade a middle eastern country that country should have been Saudi Arabia, since most of the 9/11/01 hijackers were from that country. Saudi Arabia is one country where the inhabitants might have welcomed the overthrow of their government, one of the few remaining absolute monarchies in existence.
I also believe that gasoline taxes are far too low, and that people should be discouraged from burning fossil fuels until that point at which gasoline powered vehicles actually become illegal. We also need to start burying our houses to shielf ourselves from both extreme weather events induced by climate change and also to conserve energy wasted on heating and air conditioning.
I am also starting to believe that handguns should be banned. Does any of this sound right wing to you? Maybe the nuking Afghanistan thing set you off, who knows? Maybe we should encourage people to fly into our buildings to prove how sensitive we are.
This one’s for you, Charlie.
Here we go… uh oh ohhhhhh
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2011/12/50-doomiest-images-of-2011.html
What are ya so worried about? Nothing’s changed, nor will it ever; just a few puny little anomalies here and there. It’s very important for us to concentrate on who the next selected representative for the Free Unimpeded Corporo-Klepto Enlightened Democracy of Unified “Persons” is going to be!
Move along; return to your homes; nothing to see here. And BTW, “It’s All Good!”, so place yer bets! (Vegas never had the ultimate thrills of the ultimate risks such as these.)
“I’ll be very surprised if they are really playing this thing to win it.”
Your observation is very perceptive. Ron Paul is playing to win. He wins by demonstrating plainly that the republicrats are not conservative, not even close.
I will repost the item from last week, for the sake of discussion:
“Regarding the intensified attacks on Ron Paul, this is an excellent explanation…
http://www.jayweidner.com/RonPaulWillWin.html
Ron Paul Will Win In The End
by
Jay Weidner
“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”
–Arthur Schopenhauer
Ron Paul will win in the end. That’s right. It doesn’t matter anymore how the criminals in charge try to change the vote, or how they conjure lies and attack him and his ideas. None of that is going to work anymore.
Don’t get me wrong. There is no way in hell that Ron Paul will win his quest for the Presidency. The corporate criminals and their toadies in the media will never let that happen. They will do everything they can to squash Ron Paul and his ideas.
Who has the uncanny ability to unite Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Dick Morris, Bill Clinton, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, The New York Times, Move On, Media Matters?
Answer: Ron Paul. Why does he unite everyone on the left and right? What is it about Ron Paul that unites the media?
Ron Paul and his movement are a direct result of the Internet. The Internet also showed the thinking people of the world that there is a corporate criminal mafia and it is in charge of everything. It owns the military, the media, the religions, the educational system the banks and most of the major corporations.
This revelation that we are ruled by a small group of corporate criminals is the real fuel behind Ron Paul.
When one carefully deconstructs Ron Paul’s positions one discovers a consistent and focused cohesion. Just underneath the facts and positions that he lays out is the driving reality that we are being run by this small group of criminals. Ron Paul is waaaay too smart to admit this in public. The idea of this criminal cabal is still taboo.
No Ron Paul refuses to actually name the criminals or even admit that they exist. That’s cool. That is a good way to keep your head intact. Look at the last two guys to go after this criminal network; their initials are JFK and RFK. So don’t expect him to be a 911 Truther or speak openly about this group of criminals. That’s asking too much.
But every single one of his positions is designed to obliterate this criminal network. When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles. One of the ways that the Internet is waking us up to is the fact that our ideologies, beliefs and protocols have all been given to us, invented by, this criminal network that now threatens our very existence. Examining his positions it is easy to see that Ron Paul knows and understands who is really ruling us. He has worked it out and his positions are really the only way out of the mess we are in. The criminal network has worked its way into almost every institution that exists. Understanding that it becomes clear that the only way out of the current predicament is too get rid of almost all of the institutions that exist.
That would be schools, militaries, large bloated federal programs, foreign aid and a lot more. These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal. These institutions are not there for the reasons that they claim to but they exist because they are tools of the criminal network. Our schools don’t teach us how to think, but what to think, our military is not there to make us safe, but to invade and steal the possessions of other countries for this criminal network.
Ron Paul articulates positions that, if put into effect, would eventually undermine this criminal network. Once we can remove the shackles of this cabal we will come to understand how much wealth we really have. When that moment comes a lot of our current unsolvable problems will become solvable.
It is beyond imagination to even begin to realize how much of the world’s wealth has been stolen by this criminal network. They have perverted everything, distorting our economies, our cultures, our values, and our spiritual beliefs. They have contaminated everything. It is only through the dissolution of this network can we truly discover what we have and who we are.
Ron Paul understands this perfectly. He is outlining exactly the path that we must collectively take in order to set things right.
Now the divisions will appear. We will soon see who is for getting rid of the criminal cabal and who is for keeping it. Because of the Internet and Ron Paul it will become apparent who really understands what is going on and who does not have a clue. Those people who refuse to join the new media, those people who insist on staying spoon fed by the criminal corporate media will find themselves on the wrong side of history.
At this point Arthur Schopenhauer famous quote on the way ideas progress through a culture needs to be reviewed:
“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”
In 2008 the media ridiculed Ron Paul and his positions. Fox News wouldn’t allow him to appear at their Republican Debate resulting in a rain of snowballs coming down on Sean Hannity as he tried to get into the building housing the debate. Fox News reasoned that Ron Paul wasn’t a serious candidate, that he was a joke. Four years later we can see that actually Fox News is an arm of the criminal network and they saw what Ron Paul was doing and it scared them. That is the real reason he was not invited to the debate.
If 2008 was the year of ridicule, 2012 will be the year of violent opposition. The same media that ridiculed Ron Paul also let Barrack Obama have a free ride to the White House. As soon as he got into office Obama, not really understanding the cultural swing, tried to implement old and failed ideas. Even though he ran as the wave of the future he was really just an agent of the past. Obama’s Presidency proved that this criminal network controlled everyone at the top. How else to explain his actions? That realization also fueled Ron Paul’s ascendance.
It is 2012 now and we are moving to phase two of Schopenhauer’s progression of ideas. Now we can see that the corporate criminal class is working overtime to hold power.
Obama invades Libya without a squawk from the formerly ‘anti-war’ Left. Obama signs legislation giving the President the power to assassinate American citizens and no one in the criminal media says a word.
Now they are coming after the Internet. The ‘violently opposed’ segment is now upon us. 2012 is the most dangerous time because a cornered mad dog is the most dangerous. And we are cornering this dog. The establishment, both left and right, would not be so unified in their condemnation of Paul if he and his ideas did not represent a very real threat.
But here’s the thing: Ron Paul has already won. Though they will try to impose a police state on us to stop him, though they will invade other countries without a peep of protest, though they will assassinate and destroy all who oppose them, we should all realize that phase three of Schopenhauer’s progression is still waiting to occur.
When the corporate criminal network and their control of the entire planet become self evident, and that is happening right now, the ideas that Ron Paul is espousing will begin to take hold. As we wake up and see what is really happening, we will also see that there is only one way out of this trap. Then Ron Paul and his ideas will begin to become self-evident.
In four years these ideas will go mainstream. That is a guarantee. Soon it will be vogue to discuss the criminal network and how to get rid of them. They cannot stop what is happening and furthermore – they know it. Their behavior is going to become increasingly bizarre as they are exposed.
Psychopaths think that they are invisible, that no one sees what they are really doing. But the Internet is ripping that curtain back as the entire psychopathic criminal network can be seen in all of its vast ugliness.
We need to get rid of it as fast as possible. It is killing all of us.”
(I must admit, I did get a schadenfreud-ey tingle of satisfaction out of the abandonment of the Chinese Disney-Hell.)
“These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal.”
When people have lived on government assistance for two generations, they no longer are aware of the source of their own providence. They come to believe that food comes from a grocery store and raiment can always be gotten with money. What money is and where it comes from NEVER crosses their mind. People that think about money are labelled as kooks, wackos, crazies, CTs, hypocrites, attacked by government agencies, and sometimes jailed for not playing “right”.
“If people don’t have an income, who is going to buy private sector goods and services?”
Where do you get the idea that only the government can supply an income? Wages come from the private sector in exchange for work. There may be a few beneficial parasites in government, but even too many of these will kill the host.
Pretty good article, MD. (And interesting predictions.)
“But here’s the thing: Ron Paul has already won. Though they will try to impose a police state on us to stop him, though they will invade other countries without a peep of protest, though they will assassinate and destroy all who oppose them, we should all realize that phase three of Schopenhauer’s progression is still waiting to occur.” -Jay Weidner
Here I’ll insert my prediction. TPBTC (the person’s behind the curtain) won’t “try” to impose a police state [etc.], they WILL impose a police state, [etc.]. It’s not going to be the THREAT of these things that will wake people up, only the ACTUALITY with its’ attendant pain and horrors can do that. History has shown this time and time and time again. Gotta learn the hard way, and even then, it only sticks for a generation or two.
“Obama is busy reducing the size of government.”
Expain this: { from between the charts }
“Although it is commonly believed that our fiscal problem is purely one of spending, the financial report shows that this is not necessarily the case. The really rapid growth of future spending is not for programs but for interest on the debt.
In other words, it would not be nearly enough just to balance the budget. The federal government would have to begin running a surplus immediately and do so continuously for the next 75 years to prevent the debt/G.D.P. ratio from rising.”
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/the-true-federal-debt/#more-140249
“TPBTC” = much preferred, thank you…
too little too late = TLTL or TL squared. This has been the response of the patriot community for the last thirty years, IMHO.
“…we have never had so much wealth, technology and so much cash and so much of everything as today, and destined to have ever more, only that given the above ideology only the 1 % will hog it up really not knowing what to do with it all, but no one, absolutely no one notices this…”
This is where you lose me, olde69. The 1% know what to do with it, spend it on the technology and personell to insure that they remain the 1%. This is quite obviously the best use of wealth to them. They have no sense of shared humanity with their own clanish brainwashing intact.
Leaving the creation of money in these people’s hands, which was the first mistake, will allow them to eventually own everything. We will/are sharecroppers on the plantation we built.
If you want to talk about the creation of money – you might get some where. Talking about creating wealth – without acknowledging the effects of fiat money or the requirement of effort is far too esoteric to interest the plebians, which is of course, why it isn’t discussed.
The way to defeat the criminal gov mafia is to disengage from it in every way possible. Discredit and disenfranchise the power structures and institutions that allow this parasitic mafia to exist. Catherine Austin Fitts is a very astute thinker. She lays it in great detail how this disengagement can be done in very easy, self-empowering, and self-serving ways.
“…it will be very hard to make people work and save nature at the same time…”
Whatever happened to “workfare”. Plant ten trees a month to receive a check in the mail, with ten more saplings and instructions on where and how to plant them.
“If a man doesn’t work he shouldn’t eat.”
Seems pretty easy to me.
“God” didn’t bother showing up for the Denver/New England game; he was having too much fun hanging out in San Francisco. He didn’t leave his heart there; he left his soul. The soul of God can often be found in the Mission Dolores Parish, vibrating to “ Hark! the Herald Angles Sing” emanating from the church organ, especially at Christmas time. Or an occasional glimpse of it can be found as the red apex of the Golden Gate Bridge peers through silvery fog from unassuming locales spread throughout the city. Or it might be found from the perch of a Corinthian capitol in the Victorian venue of the Warfield Theater, recalling those nights when molten music was tempered by ocean breezes circulating via an open door in the upper balcony. God’s soul can be felt on a ferry boat ride from Sausalito to San Francisco with an inexplicable deja-vu whisper of “ I have been here before”. God’s soul may have painted Constable’s “ The Hay Wain”, but it’s also the heart of a city.
What bothers me about your latest posts is that you seem to see and understand that we are ruled by a parasitic criminal mafia, and yet you fail see and understand that that same parasitic criminal gov mafia authored your Roman Bible for exactly the same reasons that they created their other instruments of parasitic control. The disconnect is really disconcerting, and really calls into question if you’re at all sincere.
Bingo Ozone. Humanity is FLAWED. Now that we’re in agreement on that, where does that leave you in relation to modern liberalism which is based on man’s perfectability? That all its flawed are merely bad uprbringing based on Conservatives unwillingness to allocate the proper funds?
The results of modern scientific psychology show that only a small number of people think for themselves and engage in real moral reasoning and struggle. In other words, only a small number of people are qualified to practice Democracy – therefore Democracy is invalidated – at least in its current mass form.
Sort of a mash-up of Ron Paul, Anti-Tyranny-Man, as an addendum to that article MD posted:
Point to ponder…
“Indeed, it is folly to expect a police state to tolerate an armed population.
The NRA is very supportive of the police and military. Now that these armed organizations are being turned against the public, how will the NRA adjust its posture?” -P.C. Roberts
Apparently, it’s your last chance to place yer bets before the roulette wheel starts winding down to the ball bobble…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30250.htm
Handguns banned? Just handguns or all guns? In any case, one could only do it by blatantly ignoring the Constitution – even Liberals admit that and that the original American Militias were based on individuals who owned their own guns.
And they hate it. It’s one of the few areas where the American Elite have failed and have no clear prospect of future success. In other words, one of the few remaining safe guards against absolute tyrany.
Crime soared in Britain after firearms were confiscated. Imagine what will happen here. Criminals are frightened at the prospect of being gunned down by citizens during home invasion. And if guns are made illegal, then only criminals will have them. How trite you say. But how true I respond.
I’m not only a smart guy, but I know that I’m a smart guy.
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don’t get too carried away with yourself Vlad, you’re no “1 percenter” by any means, and there is a vast gulf between having a good memory and wisdom…..on the latter count, you’re really pretty far down the food chain.
“In other words, it would not be nearly enough just to balance the budget. The federal government would have to begin running a surplus immediately and do so continuously for the next 75 years to prevent the debt/G.D.P. ratio from rising.””
You know, its too bad that Al Gore didn’t push back harder against the Republicans. If he had been the president, there would be no GWOT, the surpluses started during the Clinton admin, if continued to this day, would have completely paid off all the prior debt run up by the Reagan & Bush1 administration. There would have been no yearly deficits, as taxes on the wealthy would have remained the same as they were in the ’90s, one of the last prosperous periods, and probably the LAST prosperous periods in the US.
Now you point out that it would take a budget surplus for 75 years to pay off the debt, instead of just 12 years.
What a mess, what a shame. I can still not forgive Gore for not pressing the recount issue harder.
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Dead Iranian Scientist – Vatican or Mossad? Or is the Mossad Vatican? Or is the Vatican Mossad?
Quite right Dale, I’m not in the one percent of top IQ’s anymore than you are. One thing I do have though, I can use all that I have. I swing from the heels via my hips. Most people, including geniuses, are far too conflicted by self interest and prejudice to do so – and are far too extraverted to realize it. You are in these categories: a good boy who get all A’s by kissing Ass; the perfect bureacrat slavishly submissive to his superiors and a blustering tyrant to his underlings.
Buck,
Loved your beautiful tribute to San Francisco. I watched the game yesterday and had lost faith when New Orleans made their last touchdown. But SF pulled it off in the end! Wow.
SJ/SF mom
compelling…scary, and compelling…one problem i have is that i m not really of either persuasion; rather a mix of ideologies based on how any particular issue impacts my personal freedom, as well as the abstract freedoms of the people in general…liberal and conservative at the same time, in some ways- for example, i was raised a “hippie”, with some- not all- of those inherent values re our planet s health and treatment of folks, allocation of resources, etc; while being pro-2nd ammendment, pro- local militia for example: i learned in history class that the real reason We, The People were able to throw the yoke of empire was that we could defend ourselves; and haven t really, since…i submit that we ve lived in a police state since the dawn of the industrial age (as opposed to a feudal retainer state prior) and am afraid that that is going to have to be fait accompli, so to speak, and affect many, many more of us before the plain fact is accepted, and fought against…until then, there will only be the individual skirmishes like chicago, ruby ridge, or waco…and personally, while i don t agree at ALL with the aforementioned group s ideologies, i empathize with their plight as casualties in the war on freedom
Who knows? Could be fake CIA propaganda to frighten and discourage others in Iran. Could be an Iranian inside job. The criminal Iranian gov mafia is just as ruthless and tyrannical as any in history. Their mode of operation is exactly the same as the other gov mafias. They continuously create conflict/war with others to justify their existence, theft expenditures, and the taxes that feed them.
k-dog, i looked at your spot, but the content is not supported on my phone; it won t let me watch the video…i wonder if you could include transcripts, or some other written version of your statements of intent…? other than that, looks good; the paws is definitely a nice touch! good luck, be well, and keep that coat shiny k-dog for president!
to messiankrudkkk:
And I thought I was crazy…
So what is it, the structure or the people, the criminals, the this or that, all the personalizations, jews, blacks, mexicans ron paul or whatever or the dominating ideology, the automatic economy (downgrading countries, playing the stock market and all) ? I say it is the structure, people are just actors, robots, are programmed to act according to how their mental computer progam has been programmed, and the sum of all of these programs, the common ground (consensus ground) creates an ideology like “hard work generates jobs”, “you have to deserve it”, “competition generates jobs”, etc.
So in order to really change the economy you must change its structure and to change its strucutre you have to change its ideology and to change its ideology you have to propose an alternative and clear cut oppostional ideology tht completely crashes the present ideology and namely free salaries and free rents and jobs to build skyscrapers and rockets and cars, etc.
But alas, it is probably all in vain, people will just reprogram the ideology into something worse as usual, and the consensus that is generated becomes the law and truth and reality: point in case, Germany is now considered the superstar country, they say the germans work more and harder than other EU countries (and probably parts of the USA) or JAPAN or whatever. I have a hard time believing such BS, that their hard work makes them this great superstar country and all (I don’t even think they work as many hours as JAPAN or the USA, but anyways) if everyone now chants that lie as truth, it is the truth, that is the truth as the truth is only what the majority want it to be.
Same with house prices, it could be that in 10 years the USA houses prices will start to climb all of a sudden, climb radically, just because, for no reason, just because it becomes fashionable, as everything is an arbitrary quirk assignment with no deepe reason: that is the point deep does not exist, there is no deep, only quirks.
As in the brain as designed creates so many intermediate situations and contraptions to activate satisfaction or pain/pleasure/feelings circuits in certain ways, another brain may activate trillions of other new more detached and complex denotations and paths and circuits (like not only going to movies, but going to A, and doing B and trillions of others) but another may directly manipulate the circuits of pain/pleasure and feelings immediately, like a one transistor circuit, a one bit universe, and imagine all the in betweens between these two extreme type of brains, all the denotations and delimitations and so on…
to asoka:
“who is going to buy private sector goods and services? ”
What are all of these services and goods ? name a few ? and how many jobs can they provide ? oh, you mean McDonalds ? or lawyers, or teachers ? all that fluff ? and how many jobs can they provide in the future ? and to do what ? BS artists and fluff ?
Vlad, Marc, Ozone, probably many others –
“Handguns banned? Just handguns or all guns? In any case, one could only do it by blatantly ignoring the Constitution – even Liberals admit that and that the original American Militias were based on individuals who owned their own guns.
And they hate it. It’s one of the few areas where the American Elite have failed and have no clear prospect of future success.”
-vlad-
One of the rare areas where you and I would concur 100%, Vlad. It sounds like Ozone might be in there as well. Funny, on a blog that tilts left like CFN does, that there are lots of gun rights advocates.
It’s probably because this is also a “peak everything” and collapse website.
BH Marc, the Second Amendment has already taken some pretty big licks. For example, one can legally and easily own all sorts of black powder weapons, including cannons. And you can buy them by mail order. (don’t know about FedEx fees for a cannon, though? hah!) But you can’t buy a modern cannon or ammunition for it. You can have a fully automatic weapon (50 caliber machine gun, anyone?) but only if you have a current Federal Firearms License.
And the FFL gets us out on the “slippery slope” to registration and licensing of handgun owners.
I don’t have a great, big, huge problem with handgun registration – with certain limitations.
But – then I don’t have quite as much fear of the government, especially local/state governments – here in Georgia where my permits would be issued.
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I do think weapons control is a BAD losing issue for liberals/Democrats. The right has spun the semantics (hi Lewis) of the issue quite successfully off toward individual freedoms of private weapons owners. And there are too many liberals (such as myself) who find weapons important tools for country living – or for city living, for that matter.
“When danger is just seconds away from your family – remember the police are only minutes away.” That’s a paraphrase, but the idea is pretty compelling, you’ve got to admit.
One of the important things about Obama’s SCOTUS picks will probably be 2nd amendment issues.
If Obama gets reelected expect ammunition and weapons sales to to WAY up. I’ll probably be stocking up on a few more items, myself.
Is Smith and Wesson publicly traded?
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835
And doesn’t anyone ever suspect that if the Germans have all of those jobs and are working so hard, it is probably because so many other countries and places worldwide don’t have those jobs and aren’t working ? or does the math only work when counting profits ? or are the Germans the job hogs and work hogs working and having jobs in place of everyone else ? Or maybe they are so so much better than the rest of the world, as the rest of the world are all lazy turds, freeloaders, don’t have the skill sets, don’t “work hard” so they deserve to be in “bad shape”…
Jesus Christ what an idiotic dominating ideology this one of “hard work”, “skill sets”, “Innovation” this and that, you couldn’t make this stuff up…
Marc, and you too, Alexandra –
How ABOUT that Italian cruise ship?
My initial opinion is that it could be as easy as someone setting a waypoint into a GPS wrong, then compounding that simple error by FORGETTING TO LOOK OUT OF THE FREAKIN’ FRONT WINDOW!!
Amazing, unfortunate, and tragic – no matter what cascade of errors led to it.
BH Marc, I know you never worked on a cruise ship with “cargo that complains,” as you put it. But still – what do you think about the damage control, or lack thereof, on that huge ship.
And I know from my own professional experiences that it can quickly become impossible to deal with large numbers of untrained civilians in a crisis situation, but still – – –
The evacuation procedures on that ship sounded like an unmitigated, multicultural disaster. No unified command, crewmen running around speaking 6,8,10 different languages – what a mess.
Initial reports are that 200 people just jumped over the side and swam to shore. What if they had been out in the middle of the ocean when this happened?
Of course, the captain and owners are being quoted as saying – “we hit a sandbar that was not on the charts.” What a JOKE. One of the pictures shows a rock the size of a Cube Van, still stuck in the bottom of that ship.
I do wonder if the ship would have heeled over so quick and so fast – if it had not been grounded on one side. And I wonder if that grounding was a deliberated decision.
Asoka said “In the USA austerity will only weaken growth and increase our debt. We need to spend more.”
I agree, and the guaranteed income plan seems to be a good way to go. A stipend of $1000/month to every non-dependant US citizen would go a long way toward a stronger economy and a better society.
Our economy is based on coersion- forcing people to work at jobs they don’t want to do, to keep from starving, medical bills, rents, and basic necessities.
The work week stopped shrinking and the minimum wage stopped increasing, primarily because the economy is controlled by parasitic corporations that take advantage of social value to create economic value for themselves.
Old69 has one good idea: asking for free stuff. A direct stimulus to the bottom line to help incentivise undesirable jobs and free creative capacity to generate new solutions, services, and products.
The people that would create local, sustainable food systems don’t have the time, currently, because they are fighting to survive and spending all their valuable time in service of international mega-corporations. Young people whose energy should be harnessed to create a world of positive social relations are being squandered as they man the cash registers instead of getting an education.
Our private/public health care system is corrupt and failing, and will not pay out. People are also working jobs which they don’t want to do just because they will pay a certain health benefit.
I’ve done some back-envelope calculations on how much a universal stipend program would cost, and it is not insignificant, on the order of $3 trillion. But that is out of a $14 trillion GDP. And that money would ostensibly go right back into local economies.
The fundamental and mind-blowing question is, what would an economy look like if people didn’t have to work at jobs they didn’t want to do.
Old69 says that technology is destroying jobs, but the more I think about it, the more incorrect I believe he is. Technology has created niches and possibilities for exponentially more jobs than was possible without. The big corrupter of this process of proliferating possibilities is the hegemony that the corporate economy holds over regular people. Hence, we go to war and die so that markets can be free for McDonalds, Chevron, and Microsoft. The economy we have is shit, and detrimental to social relations, primarily because it is designed to service the needs of the corporations over society’s real needs.
The corporate economy cheerleaders claim that a guaranteed income would be a moral hazard and then companies couldn’t innovate so much. I think that is bullshit- someone who doesn’t have to work at McDonalds can quit their job, and operate their own hamburger stand, and rely on local producers. Someone who works for a global software company writing widgets under fluorescent lights can quit their job, go home, and design the world’s next killer app in their pajamas.
The lack of a safety net for people means that the real economy of potentialities can’t be unleashed. One one hand, you have the exploiting employers, who use the fact that people are willing to work any job, no matter how bad, for low wages because there is no other choice. Conventional economy supporters might point out that all this exploitation benefits the end-consumer with low prices, but I think this is bullshit. Low prices come from economies of scale and competition. More people liberated to do what they want to do creates more options, and more competition. Less coersion leads to more innovation.
It also leads to more accurate valuation of trades: its by no means a perfect example, but, if no one wants to be a garbageman, then the wage for that job would rise. If everyone wanted to be a lawyer, that wage would fall. We could see the emergence of a wage economy where garbagemen make more than lawyers. Would that be a net benefit to society? I think it would.
Our $14 trillion dollar advanced technological economy, and our overpopulated, environmentally depleted lifestyles have come to the point of diminishing returns. We need to convert the system into something evolved, sustainable, and more importantly, worth sustaining.
The system of social relations that feeds on the desperation of its citizenry is not a moral republic, it is a corruption. And it will not work. As we are seeing, the system grows “too big to fail” entities which deplete human capital at the fastest rate of return they can imagine. Instead of being “by the people, of the people, and for the people” the system is now a subordinate of corporate interests. They control the food, the water, the media, your wallet, your time, your energy, and your body. The environment is just something to rape mine for corporate gain. The returns have flattened and capital flight in occurring. It was inevitable that our anti-social system would progressively corrupt our culture and institutions, ethics, and debase the landbase.
Individual citizens are part and parcel the problem, since we embody these twisted values. We perpetuate by participation. We are examples of the psychological phenomenon of “Learned helplessness”. People really need to come together, rise up, and overthrow this system, this government, and institute real pro-social programs that will allow us some equitable future.
As it is now, the system is set up to resemble an estate sale, only open to bidders with $1 billion in assets. Everything that is public property is given away to be degraded. Our worst instincts are encouraged: to compete against each other, and deny each other as much quality of life as possible. And of course, blow sunshine up each other’s asses.
Old69 has one good idea, but doesn’t have the brains to explore it. What a pity.
Old69 claims he is a philosopher. How much does that pay? A universal stipend would allow such natural philosophers to philosophize without worrying about how to pay the rent and food bills. So he is the perfect advocate, is he not?
Critics might say that this would be taking money out of their pie-holes and putting it in Tegmark’s for no good reason. Well, I disagree. Given infinite amounts of time, Old69 could evolve into someone with some appreciation of facts and reality. Or he could involve into someone who should be hit over the head with a shovel and stuffed in a wood chipper. Either way, it is a price worth paying if we can alleviate some of the pervasive misery that our system engenders through its program of mass coercion. Because if we don’t liberate human beings and unplug them from the shit economy, we’re not going to have a future.
Our only hope is that human beings are freed to make decisions that are ethical and moral and preferable in the larger sense. Otherwise, the human energy that should have been used to save the coral reefs, for example, will have been used up in 40 hour workweeks to pay rent, buy processed foods, burn fossil fuels, and be unhappy making things of no lasting value.
Headline: “Teens find part-time job market dry”
Byline: (teens) whose quest for entry-level work find themselves competing for jobs with “experienced older workers” willing to take any job for a paycheck.
This is an upside-down world, isn’t it.
It goes on to talk about how automation has helped cut jobs all over.
What we need is a system that frees older people to use their experience to create new wealth-producing and value-adding activities. Instead they are filling in at positions to keep the seat warm for the computers that will follow. And young people are just being marginalized and demoralized.
Maybe there will be generational rage and conflict as Albert Brooks predicts. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Heres the billboard to young people: You can’t participate in politics. You can’t participate in the economy. Take our lifetime of bullshit and eat it. And then conventional views will come along and kick them in the nuts and tell them they don’t deserve self-esteem because they didn’t work hard enough in the 7th grade.
“Old69 says that technology is destroying jobs, but the more I think about it, the more incorrect I believe he is. Technology has created niches and possibilities for exponentially more jobs than was possible without. ”
What jobs, what activities ? everyone talks about “new jobs” in the abstract no one ever in years has ever said what exactly and concretely must be done, what task. And why ? Because there are no tasks to be done, it is just a useful excuse to keep people in line making them believe that there are oh so many “jobs” to be done. Which ? What ? Explain (real jobs and real tasks by the way…).
Please, we are all sick and tired of BS, fluff, services, goods from the “private sector”, and all kinds of abstract sh*t! Give us something real, meaningful, concrete, real jobs (not vague skill sets) gives us the assembly line, please give us back the assembly line, make us work with our hands, let us build something, some real input -> manipulation -> output and not social BS, talents, and all kinds of selling yourself and marketing sh*t!
Bustin J. You are on the right track, BUT you do not take your logic far enough. It is not jobs that are needed and it is not a means of exchange (money). All that is the fallacy we humans have lived with for at least the last 30,000 years but there was a time before that when exchange was not in the lexicon.
Let me start from scratch. We are born taking … we die giving … between times we sometime give and we sometimes take, except those moments when we are FORCED TO PAY FOR OUR NEEDS. This is all borne of the idea that if freely giving and freely taking we would only take what was needed (otherwise we would have to hoard). This is a conceptual leap that is needed for THINKING mankind to get beyond; take that conceptual leap. It’s not a new idea and was first practice to the best of my knowledge some 400 years ago when some citizens of London (decenters) decided between themselves (without leadership) they could all co-operate to make a decent life). They moved to some common ground in Henley just outside of central London and set up their community (commune) The authorities of the time saw this as a threat to the system and squashed it.
The next time it was tried was in Catalonia (around Barcelona) during the Spanish civil war. Just as it began to work and show signs of where it needed to go General Franco marched in and squashed that attempt. Now the time is ripe, with thousands out of a job in order to perform exchange, we see a movement by the 99 %ers who (co-incidentally) are leaderless)
Bustin J; if you were to stretch your imagination a little further, instead of attempting to create rules for more equilibrium you would realize that those two community events I mentioned above (communes) could exist without specific leaders but with all participants putting in their ‘two pennyworth’ and for that commune to come to it’s own idea of how to collectively survive. (co-operate). Philosophically the idea has be written about by Proudhon, Marx, Engels, Bakunin and Kropotkin, but no-one has had the deep foresight to see how this would work out (not to plan it, as Marx thought was needed)… that requires dictatorship).
Should this process begin the mental capacity to see this evolve would grow exponentially; BUT sadly humankind (the only kind) has been in denial for at least 30,000 years about this means of exchange. Scrap exchange and learn to give and take … sometimes giving… other times taking. In reality it is not that much of a mental stretch. The OWS could (I dearly hope) be the beginning of that movement. Sure the military and the police would do their utmost to prevent it until members of the military and police forces realized they were battling against their very own people … and families.
Everyone, deep down, knows we cannot go back to what was … that time has now passed. Give it a thought … without an instant rejection.
Jack
After loving those hideous Soviet Structures, what right do you have to love beautiful buildings? Beauty is a jealous Goddess – and once betrayed not one easily to forgive.
One Woman in France married the Eiffel Tower. Another Woman married the Berlin Wall and mourned its death. What do we have to match that? A Woman in California married a male dolphin named Cindy. I don’t know if the dolphin was gay or “in transition” to being a dolphina.
Which sub-personality do you like the best? I like Tobor – an Ape.
In other words a return to hunter gathering and along with it cannibalism, poison arrows, fearful taboos, fear of spirits and curses, and of course constant low level warfare with one’s neighbors.
It started up in some of the big city Occupies like Oakland and New York where Black Hunter Gatherers preyed on the White College Grazers.
Hand guns only. Of course since I’m not the king it doesn’t really matter what I think. I’d put my money on hang guns remaining legal indefinitely.
“And I wonder if that grounding was a deliberated decision.”
I read that it was, or the ship would have sunk in deeper water off shore.
One comment by a passenger was that the crew consisted of “waiters in sailor suits”.
Nobody really knew what they were doing.
Luckily, only a few lives lost, not the hundreds or more if the Captain had not pulled in close to shore.
Of course Carnival is out the $500 million for the ship.
But man, they must have been cruising to embed a boulder that big into the side.
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Thanks for your commentary, or lack there of.
Kinda balances out 8man, old69, et al.
Since I wasn’t there I can’t really comment. All I know is that civilian ships have far less capable navigation departments than do naval vessels. When you have just one officer doing all the navigation, that is the 2nd mate, and when everything is nearly entirely automated, which is typical of merchant vessels, then it is far more likely that mistakes will be made than on warships where you always have a navigator on duty, either the navigator himself, usually a lieutenant or a lieutenant commander, plus the entire quartermaster gang of enlisted navigators, something which never really existed on merchant ships. On merchant ships the so called “quartermaster” is really nothing but an AB who is on the wheel, and not an actual trained plotter on charts. Of course each of the licensed watch standing deck officers know how to do their own plotting but electronic charts displayed on a computer screen might not be as up to date as paper charts periodically corrected by hand incorporating chart symbol stencils from the Notice to Mariners. Corrected charts are then initialed by the quartermaster[s] who corrected them to ensure that the paper chart is completely up to date.
Correction to the above: substitute “hand guns” for the “hang guns” typo.
“I agree, and the guaranteed income plan seems to be a good way to go. A stipend of $1000/month to every non-dependant US citizen would go a long way toward a stronger economy and a better society.”
One thing that was brought up back in the ’80s when the Reagun tax cuts were being debated was that the income tax should be eliminated for people that make, at the time, less than $50,000 per year.
The last time this was discussed, it was thought to raise that to $100k/yr.
It was also suggested that almost all Corporate tax cuts, deductions & exemptions (d&e’s) should be eliminated because the corps had managed to get d&e’s passed by congress for things they would spend money on anyway, so it was no real ‘incentive’ to do anything. A flat corp tax.
Now the reasoning was that most people in the lower income brackets would spend any money not withheld in taxes, with a very few at the upper end of that bracket perhaps saving a little.
It would immediately flow into the economy as a whole, whereas most tax cuts for the wealthy end up with the money being invested in things like hedge funds whose main goal is to make the rich just a bit richer.
It would also mean huge savings by the government as the IRS would no longer have to print tax books and forms every year, and have to process tax returns for people who end up getting all or most of their money back as a refund, interest free of course.
Of course Greed won out in the end, and the US tax payer has to go thru the same pointless song & dance every year to get back money withheld as a ‘refund’.
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I don’t know, I kinda like old69 better. This personality just makes a tiny bit more sense than 8man or the others.
Now if we could get them to have just the one personality do all the posting.
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Sounds good but you must factor in human moral inequality. Say you gave everyone a new car. Go back in five years and see how the cars are doing: how many crashed, trashed, no cared for, or in perfect shape. Give anyone a new house and see the same. A new school – in St Louis the Blacks destroyed a new school in under five years. Give everyone a certain stipend every month – how many would budget wisely and how many would blow it in a couple of days and be begging and stealing?
I think technology lowers the net number of jobs. In societies of the past, 95% of the people worked the land. You’re not going to beat that level of employment and security. I say we go back but back armed with technology that would make rural life less cut of and “idiotic” to use the old term the “idiocy of rurual life”. The big cities shouldn’t be that much more attracitve than small towns or regional capitals.
Vlad Krandz: You say: “In other words a return to hunter gathering …. ” No Vlad You are not going back far enough. All that was about 10,000 years ago after we began to get civilized. Who wrote that history anyway that you quote? Whoever wrote that history wasn’t even around 10,000 years ago; It’s all assumptions based on ‘jumping to immediate conclusions without really THINKING’. Your THINKING & BELIEF SYSTEM is our human problem; we don’t really THINK very clearly cos we think the system knows how it always was.
What I was suggesting Vlad is that you take a CONCEPTUAL LEAP, and just give some thought about how it might be if this system really collapsed: Totally totally collapsed. To use a well worn cliche; all I see being suggested is the re-arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic BUT VLAD, It’s the Titanic that is sinking … that is the whole system. No amount of reshuffling economics (a pseudo science as many have suggested) will radically change the system.
If you really believe that the Big City occupiers are are Black Hunter gathers praying on poor, poor, poor White Collage Grazers, then I suggest you dig yourself a deep shelter, hoard enough food and water for the rest of your life and lock yourself in.
Jack
P2C, Smith & Wesson, as well as Ruger, is publicly traded. They are doing quite well. Most of the rest of the major gun companies are held by a single investment fund, the same one that used to own Chrysler. I think it is called Ciberius.
I have an idea; arrest the 1% and put them on trial for being exploiters and parasites. These could be big show trials out of New York with Michael Moore as the Judge and Cornell West as the prosecutor. (of course friendly 1% ers like Geffen, Spielberg, Bloomberg, Buffet and Soros would be exempted after a hefty voluntary contribution to the party) The miscreants could be held in a Gulag in the southwest that Obamas friend Bill Ayers wrote about setting up in the 70’s. After the 1% (and their families) are humiliated, tormented, prosecuted and executed all their property and money could be confiscated and passed out to deserving party members, OWSERS and the proletariat. Maybe some of you Marxists here could get a chunk. Why not?
This is a work in progress so bear with me.
Is this a plan you could get behind, CFNers???
–WSP7
BBMark, is the navy still using charts like we had back in the 70’s. Its not all on some computer now?
–WSP7
so what if we appropriated- i mean rightfully took back- that illegal bailout of tax-payer s money the banks took? i say audit the fed and the so-called black budget at the pentagon and return, say, 50,000 grand to each adult in the US (if you can t find enough, tough shit, borrow and make payments yourselves for a change, you effing common thieves) as restitution AND PUNISHMENT anyway, bustin, i agree with most of your point…it isn t about freeloading but about human dignity and fairness: and given the history of greed and pillage; it would only begin to balance the scales of justice to take it all and kill every single banker and captain of industry- i mean robber baron- so a big fat STFU goes out to em; i m not saying we should, i m trying to point out the absolutely irrevocably skewed ledger to this point, and that whatever we took would be ours, and only a token think about it everyone: these fuckerers play with OUR money, to the tune of HUNDREDS of millions, even billions of dollars; not a penny of which they d have without the infrastructure we paid for, built- i don t mean had someone build, but physically picked up & put together- and then get almost no benefit out of…what s $50,000 to a motherfucker like that? a day s pay? My Ass!
THESE MAY BE QUOTES FROM WAGE AND VLAD..They were good enough for me to save recently but I didnt
anticipate using, hence dont know who wrote:
Smart people never voted for him to begin with. I mean he was a Racist – obvious from his writings (probably done by Ayers) and going to Jeremiah Wright’s Church for twenty years. Yet Whites who pride themselves on not being Racist voted for him. So such people have neither consistency and decency, nor ordinary commonsense and a desire for self preservation.
while millions of Americans are thrown out of their homes, increased the attack on Afghanistan,
and added attacks on Pakistan, Libya and Yemen, while supporting covert attacks on Syria and Iran,
all the while openly threatening to attack Iran. He openly assassinated two US citizens, one a 16 year old, and JUST LAST WEEK signed a bill legalizing throwing anyone on the planet into indefinite detention, without charges or trial.
aahhahahah.
poor mr. jhk…if he really got out into the heartland and took it’s pulse, he’d find that nobody cares. there’s no ripe moment. there’s only football and appleby’s.
‘If you really believe that the Big City occupiers are are Black Hunter gathers praying on poor, poor, poor White Collage Grazers’
even Dale doesnt spell that poorly.
DIDYA KNOW WARREN BEATTY HAS A ‘SON’ THAT IS TRANSGENDERED?
And check the great article:
‘NPR- IT PAYS TO BE NAMED ARI SHAPIRO’
NPR has 2 Ari Shapiros, one gay!
“Since I wasn’t there I can’t really comment.”
-the resident submariner-
Whoa, Marc, you do speak like a professional. That shows through in comments like that. But we’re not putting you under CFN oath, here, just asking for some initial impressions.
We do so much talking about the Titanic as a metaphor for the collapse of civilization on CFN. And you’ve got more blue water, big ship, experience than anyone here. So don’t be shy, man. ;’)
They said that that ship did that route once per week, so I’m guessing that they knew where they were, without complicated navigation – checked and cross-checked, as in the Navy. But I’m guessing somebody entered some data wrong, maybe on a previous watch, and that the guys on watch – which may have been just two people – just stood there and watched, as their ship drove itself up, nearly onto dry land. (‘Cause I’m thinking an autopilot was probably engaged, my best guess.)
I’ve done some bone head stupid stuff, in some fairly large and expensive small craft. I mean, I’ve done things that could have sunk a boat or two, or gotten a couple of people hurt, or worse.
And I think anybody, who is at all honest, who has worked around boats for long – has had things happen like this.
But, God Almighty – I do NOT want ever know the feeling of what it was like to look over the bow of that ship, thinking something on the order of, “That lighthouse should be over there, right? – Those channel markers don’t look just right, do they?? – Aren’t we too close to shore??? – Holy Shit, we’re passing on the wrong side of that light!! God Damn It!”
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I’ve passed on the wrong side of a couple of lights. I’ve been on the wrong side of a couple of channels. Doing it when you are responsible for 4000 mortal souls and a half a billion dollars worth of ship. Wow. Man.
Small errors compounding, until it is finally too late. If that’s not a metaphor for modern civilization, I don’t know what is.
How’s the novel coming, Marc?
It may be time for it.
If ya’d named the Prez in that they could put you in jail….careful pal.
The names you mentioned, 4 of the 5 are [uh] non gentile.
Why spare them? or was sparing them a joke..
and Mike A Moore is the 1%, sorry fat mikey.
“I have an idea; arrest the 1% and put them on trial for being exploiters and parasites. These could be big show trials out of New York with Michael Moore as the Judge and Cornell West as the prosecutor.” -wsp-
Wide Spread, you might want to set posts like this of with some sort of SARCASM ON!! designation.
Because I suspect you are being sarcastic. But, Mitt Romney is so far into the ass, that is the 1%, that he doesn’t even KNOW IT.
Marlin, it used to be that the top 1% of the movers and shakers in the United States were good intelligent men – who had the best interest of the Nation, first and foremost, in their hearts.
Those days are gone. I may miss them, myself.
But those days are gone, forever.
Vote Ron Paul.
Then, when he loses, hold on to your hat.
Howdy WSP7, Per your comment segment: “all their property and money could be confiscated”.
I suggested a similar action be taken back in 09 or thereabouts and that all national debts be eliminated through such action. Met with resounding silence from those who would now be considered 99% supporters and condemnation from those that would be 1% supporters. This in my ignorance of “all money is borrowed into existence” time frame.
Now I would recommend relieving the 1% of the majority of their wealth to pay down the national debt then eliminate the Federal Banking System and require the Federal Government to become the single creator of money (interest free) and never allow the banksters back into the drivers seat loaning money into existence at our expense again. Such action preferably enforced by the very military that the 1% have spent so much of the wealth of this nation creating for the obvious requirement that it protect them and their wealth from the rest of us.
SNAFU
mothers who watch their big belly up one day, you will argue with the child his father’s stomach like a child who is president of the question, right? Although the appearance is difficult to predict the genetic problem, but from scientific point of view there are certain rules to follow.
XXXY, who will decide your baby’s IQ and appearance?
—- who is tall and large genetic?
—- half of each parent .
nutritional conditions in the premise, the child’s height, 70% of the initiative lies in the hands of parents, genetic parents, the child’s height is a major factor in the decision, because the factors that determine height from 35% father, 35% from the mother. If both parents head is not high, it depends on the baby acquired the 30% of the hard work.
—- whose intelligence is inherited large?
—- mother.
intelligence has some genetic, and by the environment, nutrition, education and other acquired factors. According to scientists assess the genetic influence on intelligence about 50% -60%, on genetic terms, the mother wise, most children born smart, if it is a boy, would be more intelligent. The reason for this is that genes related to human and intellectual focus on the X chromosome. Women have two X chromosomes, males have only one, so the genetic mother’s intelligence is more important in the possession of the position.
To prove this point, we first review under the high school biology knowledge:
male and female baby baby How come?
boys are XY, X (eggs) from the mother, Y (sperm) from the father.
girls are XX, X (eggs) from the mother, X (sperm) from the father.
it a boy or girl the husband’s fault, do not blame her mother’s belly does not live up to expectations.
Note:
boys are XY, so the boys are all from the mother’s IQ is genetic, girls are XX, so the girl’s IQ is one half of affected father and mother.
because girls have an impact on IQ is the father, mother, and so there will be in effect. Therefore, the distribution of IQ girls will show natural distribution (normal distribution), is inverted bell-shaped, up the middle, both sides less.
then boys because they are totally affected only by the party, so the boys will be presented in favor of IQ distribution in the two extremes. In other words, boys are more talented, but at the same time, fool among men is particularly high.
This story tells us what?
1. you boys Cong not to judge a smart, look at his mother know. However, you have to determine how a boy’s mother Cong not smart? …. . … Can not think of easy ways. .
2. And then we use the probability to count:
boys probability = 1 / 2; the probability of a girl = 1 / 2.
a boy, his mother’s influence for the boys IQ = 1
girl, her mother’s influence for girls, IQ = 1 / 2
So For the next generation of IQ mother and father’s influence (expectations), the ratio is
1 * 1 / 2 + 1 / 2 * 1 / 2: 0 * 1 / 2 + 1 / 2 * 1 / 2 = 0.75: 0.25 = 3: 1 = Mother: Father
So, if you:
1. a boy, if you think you stupid words. You should never marry a smart girl to. So you have a child 75% chance of being overturned, life is full of hope.
2. is a girl, you are stupid if you think so, because, you turn the chances of people drive 75% of …. . Ah, I can not say the …….? In short, the recent good weather, get out.
3. When you see a very bright boy when you, the chances of his father is very smart is 0% (it should be said, even if his father is very smart, but also he is not affected), but His mother is very smart chance is 100%.
So, if you consider marrying a very clever boy, when you have to be mindful of his mother, may be calculated may be one of her mother.
the other hand, when you see a stupid boy, when, yes, he is usually very rich, this is God’s plan, God in order to prevent human extinction, so he makes stupid people a lot of money, so he can marry smart women.
—- genetic character who is great?
—- father.
character is his father’s genetic big. While there are inherent character of the formation of the composition, but mainly after the impact. In comparison, the father’s influence will be greater than the mother. Among them, the fatherly role of the daughter of a greater impact. A psychologist said: and experience, to make her character more colorful.
—- who looks great genetic?
—- analyze specific issues.
color: total compliance If the parents darker skin, there will never be soft white skin of the child; if one black and one white, the majority will give the children a
Eyes:
(eye shape) the child’s eye shape, size, inherited from parents, large eyes, the eyes are relatively small dominant inheritance. Parents have one big eye, big eyes, the child’s health may be larger.
(eyelid) is a dominantly inherited double fold, single fold and double fold of life the baby is likely to be double fold. However, parents are single fold, the average child is single fold.
(eye color) black and other dark relative to light in terms of a dominant inheritance. In other words, black eye and blue eye person, not children born to the blue eye.
(eyelashes), long eyelashes is dominant inheritance. Parents as long as a person with long eyelashes, long eyelashes, the possibility of genetic children is very large.
nose: Generally speaking, large nose, wide nostrils were high and dominant inheritance. One parent is a straight nose, the child’s genetic potential is enormous. Nose of the genes that will continue into adulthood, short nose, a child, an adult may become a high nose.
ear: ear shape is hereditary, small ears, large ears relative to the dominant inheritance. Both parents as long as a large ears, then the child is most likely a pair of ears.
jaw: is not to be Either parent has a large prominent chin, a long with their children, without exception, often resembles the chin,
obesity: will their children have 53% chance to become a big fat, obese if one parent, child obesity, the probability drops to 40%. This shows that fat and not fat, about half of the human factor can be determined, so parents can through proper diet, adequate exercise to make their body symmetry.
bald: God seems to favor women, to pass only bald man. For example, the father is bald, his son inherited the probability of 50%, and even the mother’s father, will also own 25% probability of bald leaving grandchildren. This male-gender woman passed hereditary tendency to let the men do nothing.
acne: This is for boys and girls the face of heart disease, it has also hereditary. Because if both parents suffered from acne, the prevalence of their children without family history of higher than 20 times.
leg: resembles a pair of parents of fat accumulation in the leg, can exercise through the full and robust shape of slender legs. But added that the legs seem too long or Ruoyin genetic and too short, it is no longer plastic, and only allow natural.
how the baby before birth to optimize your genes?
—- I told her husband are long, quite black, but I do not want the baby born is also a black angel.
—- black and white couples want to have babies, pregnant women can eat more foods rich in vitamin C. Vitamin C for skin melanin interference, reducing pigmentation, soft white delicate baby skin.
Recommended food: tomatoes, grapes, oranges, cauliflower, melon, onion, garlic, apple, prickly pear,
jujube and other fruits and vegetables, of which Apple is the best.
—- I told her husband are dry skin, chapped easily one winter, how to make the baby from the offense?
—- couple rough skin,Soldes Abercrombie Fitch, pregnant women should eat foods rich in vitamin A can protect the skin epithelial cells, so that the future child’s delicate skin and shiny.
Recommended food: animal liver, egg yolk, milk, carrot, tomato and green vegetables, fruits, nuts and vegetable oil.
—- blond hair and my family have inherited the gene, my sister’s children are now one year old, or yellow hair, my baby, will also be genetic ah?
—- bad hair if husband and wife, pregnant women can eat more foods rich in vitamin B, enable the child to improve hair, not thick, recommended foods: lean meat, fish, liver, milk , bread, beans, eggs, seaweed, walnuts, sesame seeds, corn and green vegetables. Black, glossy and shiny.
Marriage is a full moon tomorrow ,
with my husband and I married a third time today he did not
though I finally came back teeth fall out because depressed mood worse
but still very happy to see him !
full moon will bring me go ,Soldes Abercrombie Fitch! Will still look forward to
alone waiting for ?
“Marriage is a full moon tomorrow ,
with my husband and I married a third time today he did not….” -fgmgrbah- ???????
MAYDAY! MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
CLUSTERFUCKNATION IS GOING DOWN!
One or two more spammers – a couple more Tegmarks, 8M’s, and OLDE Soixante Neuf’s – and we’re done for.
betterhotwater @ aol . com
That’s the only way you’ll find me.
If, “this sucker goes down.”
and “those internets stay up”
-ghwalkerbush, paraphrased-
Here are some real tasks done this past week:
Someone had a flat tire. A person who has machinery to change tires, extract screws, apply patch, etc. repaired the flat tire. Why? Because driving on a flat tire would destroy the tire rim.
Oil needed changing on a car. A person who works at car place had a new oil filter and changed the oil, while also checking off pressures, measuring brake linings, refilling fluids, etc. Why? To insure engine longevity and insure safe vehicle operation on the road.
Old69, do I need to go on listing real tasks performed by real people, including things people made, things people installed, things people serviced, like frozen busted water pipes installed, water-damaged carpet removed, underground electrical cabling installed after a trench was made with a ditch witch, etc.
Let’s say the captain was down schmoozing with guests in the dining room and the first mate was in charge of the ship.
I happen to know that first mates on cruise ships are treated worse than airline pilots in these modern days. A friend of my nephew graduated from the California Maritime Academy and his first job was that of first mate on a giant Norwegian cruise ship. For 7 months work he got paid $19,000. It’s hard to imagine a 24-year old being in charge of $500 million vessel with 4,000 people on board. Since I know him and all the wild and crazy stuff these kids did in Santa Cruz, it’s REALLY hard to imagine bearing such responsibility. (Jumping off cliffs with surfboards in order to line up for waves at Steamers Lane in Santa Cruz.) Risk taker? You bet.
“The disconnect is really disconcerting, and really calls into question if you’re at all sincere.”
There is no disconnect. There is a blindspot. Yours.
“What I cannot abide is people reading what I quoted from Jude {Jan 11, 10:26] and pretending that someone in the Vatican penned these words.” Why would these guys write stuff { or leave stuff } that condemns much of what they are doing?
I am aware that men have tampered with the scriptures. I am intimately aware that men ignore portions of it and misapply other portions. The Word of God predates the Vatican. If what you are reading is not true, it is not the Word of God {John 17:17}.
“And I wonder if that grounding was a deliberate decision.” p2c
“I read that it was, or the ship would have sunk in deeper water off shore.” -dee-
Probably, Dee. My question is more technical, related to stability of that ship as it sank.
Modern ships aren’t supposed to heel over 90 degrees as they sink – they are supposed to slowly fill up on an even keel.
So – the thing to do – knowing your ship was going to sink, would be to put the bow straight into the shore, and then hold it there with engine power for as long as you could, and then get some tugboats to hold it there, while the stern sank down, still on an even keel.
I’ve seen more than one boat sink just like this – bow into shore and stern slowly filling – and always, with minimal damage to life or property.
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And it’s disturbing – to bump up, once again to the limits of human ability to reduce failure rates.
The Titanic disaster ended the “unsinkable” mythos, and ensured lifeboat capacity and lifeboat DRILLS, for ever and ever.
When the Stockholm sank the Andrea Doria – that was supposed to have ushered in a new era in redundant safety procedures and construction techniques for passenger vessels.
Yet, here we are, 55 years after the Andrea Doria sinking, and we still find that there is always a greater fool lurking out there, always able to find NEW ways, to screw up a “fool proof system.”
Yep, thar be an old and vital metaphor repackaged here off the coast of Italy, me mateys!
Oops….he was SECOND MATE on a cruise ship when he graduated from the academy.
There is no disconnect. There is a blindspot. Yours.
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No, I don’t think so.
A serpent is a serpent is a serpent. And anyone who follows in Rome’s footsteps is a serpent. There’s no two ways about it.
Excuse me while I Vomit on the Internet. Excuse me while I waste your time. I hope you waste a lot of time reading this BS. Please, waste a lot of time.
Workerless Society – How Many Exchanges ?
That is the question. How many possible exchanges of “goods” or “services” can there be between people ? Once you exchanged a car (bought or sold or manufactured), a house, food and some other things well, now what ? how many jobs can those exchanges imply ? Some or a lot, but essentially limited also because technology automates a lot of repetitive tasks, and “mergers and acquisitions” further optimizes, consolidates, creates “economies of scale”, lets one office or plant do the job that was once done by 3 or 4, hence 100 people do the work that was once done by 200 because now there are only 2 or 3 big dogs (that make more money and profit) than 5 or 6 previous ones that have been “merged” or “closed”, etc., cuts corners, streamlines processes, you name it, hence implying fewer and fewer jobs for those goods and services that are exchanged (hence the idea of progress ?). So imagine that there are 10 other things to be exchanged, 10 other possible transactions, you buy a coat, you download a movie, etc. how many more possible interactions and transactions between people that imply jobs can there be ? 100, 500 ? say 1,000 and say a 1,000 people “work” within those exchanges – transactions, that only makes 1 million jobs. Not many, considering that worldwide we need hundreds of millions of “jobs” (also, the economy is global now, one world one economy, there are no more separate countries although this other make believe BS is so convenient). SO what gives ? How are you going to create all of those jobs ? Will they be created by the magic of the “Invisible Hand” of the market ?
That is why “Services” has become so important, because with services you can exchange a lot of unnecessary things, make believe things, assign value to things (as in value added) that essentially have only imaginary or perceived, invented value, like bottled water, just put water in bottles, put a tag on it and sell it, you can have millions of new water brands (so maybe the greens are on to something here, how many plastic bottles are you going to fill the world up with ? but that is good and cool because with the accumulation of plastic on earth that will become the new material upon which natural evolution will perform its tricks, new plastic life forms, completely new organisms working with completely new principles all using plastic). Same with tablets and Software and Education, you name it, actually, you invent it, make it up, put a brand name on it, you created a new exchange, a new sector and “new jobs”. It essentially means selling Nothing for Something, selling some make believe stuff to someone who thinks that he is actually buying something, it means selling nothing for something (and the cycle can repeat many times, and the indirections and denotations can repeat many times, the chain of nothings for “something imaginary that becomes something that makes believe it is real” can be very long), the loop can cycle quite a number of times, but in the end you have to finally sell nothing for something of real value, something real like a house, a car, food, a coat. And at this point the jobs become real, but for every real job and real exchange you have a huge load of fake jobs and fake exchanges. But especially, all of this economy is based on fooling people into buying fluff, and as long as people are willing to make believe and buy into it, all is ok, but as soon as they decide, well maybe I don’t really need that other new fairy tale, well then you are in trouble.
And that is the problem: how much make believe can we keep on inventing ? how many new college degrees in flufforama services economy that will result in all of these “new jobs” paying “a lot of money” can we keep on tricking people to buy ? I say not many, but especially, as soon as someone starts doubting the value of things, a whole lot of other things start losing value also, just like all the banks and financial entities today.
As a corollary, the reason why real estate, houses, rents and health care keeps on costing more is because they are somehow tied into real exchanges and real needs, people really need them that is why those costs can keep on going sky high while tablets and software and movies and many other information products tend to cost less and less, as there is and will be a saturation of these items, that are not real necessities, and in order to sell must cost less and less until you can’t even sell them anymore, hence the myth of the services economy generating jobs is just that, a myth, it won’t happen anymore. I know of some places where buildings that were once offices have been turned into apartments, this kind of goes to show exactly what happens: no one knows what to do with the offices anymore since they don’t know what to make people do in the offices and why they should be paid and what on earth activity should be perfomed (that could make a profit ?) while simply converting them into houses makes more sense, since housing is a much more real necessity.
But the entire idea of “creating jobs”, the entire crisis (if it really even is one ? or is it the same old random confusion and cycles that have always been societies and economies ?) is really based on “What do you want People to do all Day Long” ? what large scale goals or projects does a society desire, or want ? If you really want to create jobs, exchanges – transactions, if you really want to force excess exchanges in order to create activity and jobs, etc. the only way is for a central government to force them by creating huge large scale projects that need so many manufacturing entities, so many real services and real exchanges and this is done by creating skyscrapers, high speed trains, rockets to mars, and many many others.
But even so, no matter what, they will never cover the need of so many jobs, so for the rest just give out free salaries and free houses, huge luxury McMansions to all 7 billion people worldwide.
But alas, it is all in vain, we can keep on inventing ever more clever explanations, causes and effects, it’s true and all logical, but it is irrelevant, the world will operate independently from anything and any theory, it is an automatic ideological machine that keeps on executing its program, the financial entities governing, the banks, the FED, the stock marktets, etc. All believing in magic, like the entire idea of profit is magic, put 1,000 dollars in the closet and open the closet after a year and you expect 1,100 dollars, the entire mentality is a magic based mentality, the same with all of this myth of Research and Innovation, put the guys in a laboratory or a new Startup and they will create a new killer application of flufforama and some new unnecessary item that will make people sell the new nothing for something real, etc. In Peking, the apple store had to close, there was a riot over trying to buy the IPHONE, go figure.
Actually, the logic of any cause and effect, any language construction is always true no matter what, we can create an infinite number of blocks of texts like this above since it is all logical and true from the outset, but mostly totally useless. It is not that any government will read this block of texts and say, ok, tomorrow we will start a new space program and give out free salaries, etc. everything is 100 % independent from anything said, any logic. The saturation of information, concepts, etc. just start to erase letters in your mind, erase words, make it so thoughts can’t be constructed anymore, eliminate information, causes and effects.
Free your mind. You better free your mind instead.
That is why all the social skills, social BS is so important, since you have to sell Nothing for Something, you have to be a good seller, you have to be good at convincing people that they are buying something “valuable” when the value is only in the eyes of the beholder. And also, this system has given individual Will Power, and individual people much more power because their quirk decision can mean success or failure of some item, and I hate the idea that other people have to decide, I want a dictator that tells all what to do, that is why I want a computer to govern societies, man must just be another circuit within an automatic machine…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172411
Fermi Paradox Resolved
So it is said that if we discover another intelligent lifeform in the universe, it would be the greatest discovery. But you don’t have to. You just have to create as many possible new imagined lifeforms as they would relate to us, and you have “discovered” the new lifeform, even if it doesn’t exist. The only thing that counts is the Information Relationship between us and the “new” lifeform, how it could relate to us, how many different new ways a new intelligent martian could relate to us. And this is easy to do, just invent it, and if you need some external, independent forces to create the new martian, to simulate a completely unpredictable and independent from us evolution of a lifeform, just use you computers and their random number generators, or just use signals from random natural external events like winds, small earthquakes, whatever and combine it in a computer program that will design a possible completely independent and unrelated new intelligent martian, and we can try to talk to it and make believe that we have discovered a new intelligent life in the universe.
Only the relationship counts, how the new chunk of matter interacts and relates to us counts and this is what must be explored, it doesn’t matter how the chunk of matter came about, only that it is here and we can explore it….It doesn’t have to be real, it has already happened, only what you can imagine is reality.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
The event, the thing, the interaction (between things or people or both) is put inside a narrative, it is put inside an imaginary language made up of other events and interactions, how they are memorized and how they are connected, what is important, the language constructs of the narrative, how they are associated with “important” or “irrelevant” how they are connected to feelings or pain/pleasure (or past remembered feelings/pain/pleasure) or simply invented, arbitrarily assigned sensations perceived according to the narrative of the sequence of events – interactions as it becomes a pseudo language, a pseudo living thing, but always make believe, always a fake construction that could be completely changed, all the permutations of said “words”, a completely new narrative, a completely new “interpretation” of what happened, what was important becomes invisible, what was invisible becomes the most important element…
Check out:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172411
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177908
Reason and logic imprison instinct, sensation and parallel. The sequence is the prison of the parallel. Parallel (as in parallel sense organ inputs) are sequentialized, are put within a format of functions, of logic, language and cause and effect, they become “mathematical” and they are inserted into “memory” and as such condition and kill the parallel, the sensations, the instincts, the whole, the body, etc.
Body killed by logic. The parallel input from the body’s sense organs and many other parallel inputs and sensations and sense organ inputs (creativity, the spontaneous, the automatic reactions with no intermediate thought processes ?) are “rationalized”, are put within a narrative of rules (and morality ? and social rules ? and the awareness of other minds ?), are explained within a language that is superimposed upon the body, imprisoning the natural into the artificial, mind over matter means kill the natural and body, the unconscious, the whole and disintegrate it into a million separate, disjoint pieces that can be combined in a never ending array of symbols, combined into a sequence of symbols, solidified into a solid state of memory chunks and imposing the mental computer program that will confirm and activate denotations and indirections and other symbols that will activate feelings/pain/pleasure independent of what the original event was.
So erase the letters in your mind, erase words, slowly disintegrate language and logic, get rid of memory, we must forget all to save ourselves, forget consciousness, go back, become unconscious and free. Free you mind.
There are no Powers that Be and No one is in Control, everything is random, a fluke a quirk. And the rich not only didn’t ever ask for so much money, don’t even know how they end up having so much money, don’t even exactly understand how much cash they really have (for example 100,000 dollars is a truly huge amount of money in most of the world), probably don’t even give two d*cks and a c*ck about the cash they have, don’t even know how to count zeros (and I phantom a whole bunch of people and economists and banks and financial entities and economists for that matter also don’t know how to count zeros)(is that 100 million or one billion ? oh, who cares, it is irrelevant, and I believe it, so much money becomes truly meaningless) and truly have no idea what to do with it, since it is so much that no one can spend it rationally unless you want to just throw it away, like buying many homes (you just need one) many cars, but especially just giving it all to the financial entities so they can play computer games with the cash…
Some correction for your thesis:
There are no Powers that Be and No one is in Control, everything is random, a fluke a quirk. And the rich not only didn’t ever ask for so much money, don’t even know how they end up having so much money, don’t even exactly understand how much cash they really have (for example 100,000 dollars is a truly huge amount of money in most of the world), probably don’t even give two c*cks and a d*ck about the cash they have, don’t even know how to count zeros (and I phantom a whole bunch of people and economists and banks and financial entities and economists for that matter also don’t know how to count zeros)(is that 100 million or one billion ? oh, who cares, it is irrelevant, and I believe it, so much money becomes truly meaningless) and truly have no idea what to do with it, since it is so much that no one can spend it rationally unless you want to just throw it away, like buying many homes (you just need one) many cars, but especially just giving it all to the financial entities so they can play computer games with the cash…
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172411
“But the most intricate VR simulation you can program will still be limited and defined by what you have already experienced.”
And that is the point: the experience you will have encountering an alien civilization is limited and defined by what you have already experienced, but especially, by how you decode the world, by your language, thought paths, logic, expectations, how different the inputs you receive and how they can relate to imagined sensations and feelings/pain/pleasure can be, the surprise factor, the total surprise factor, etc.
And how many points of contacts your mind – brain can have with the new alien race, how many intersections between their logic – experience and yours, and are the intersections synchronized in any way ? (that is are you reading their language and signals correctly ? I doubt it very much, and how to define correct ? which race will define correct ? etc.).
Therefore, since you can only decode external signals and symbols with the Man brain you have, those signals can come from anywhere, and the result is the same: a set of signals and symbols may be equivalent to what the result would be if you encountered an alien civilization, but even more importantly, it is irrelevant if the alien civilization is real or imagined, only the set of signals, and the experience of the close encounter is being perceived, so any alien civilization you create in your imagination, the more wilder, incredible, colorful, and with as many quirk laws and rules and possibilities as you want, is exactly equivalent to one “really existing” and “being true” (but define really and true…two false concepts): TRUTH, BEING and EXISTENCE is redundant, is irrelevant, is simply a false limitation we impose on our experiences, only the information relationship counts, only how the new experience relates to us counts.
Your Imagination is your Spaceship.
Okay, it’s probably too late to read this but here goes: the easiest way to run a large ship up on the rocks is to forget to reset the autopilot [Iron Mike] after making a course change on hand steering. If you simply turn the dial back to autopilot the autopilot will steer the ship back to the course it was on BEFORE the turn was initiated in hand steering. Although it is possible to manuever on autopilot by simply dialing in the new course this approach is frowned upon because the autopilot has a tendency to over-steer.
Pertaining to the other comment about the nephew who recently graduated from California Maritime Academy, which I’ve actually sailed past in an ammo ship one time enroute to Port Chicago, it needs to be kept in mind that the first job after initial licensing is 3rd mate, and not Chief, or 1st Mate. It takes an additional two years of continuous sea time to get the Chief Mate’s ticket, and it usually takes at least three years to get the two years of sea time, if not four years, since officers tend to get more liberal vacations than do the unlicensed crewmembers such as deck-hands [ABs] and cooks and Enginemen [QMEDs].
“And anyone who follows in Rome’s footsteps is a serpent.”
I am not following Rome’s footsteps.
And, again, you didn’t answer the question.
Thanks for the clarification, BHM.
This is off the specific topic, but it is another gleaming facet of our vibrant clusterfuck, and well worth a read. Detention by the military brings “legality” (although likely, unconstitutional) to unleashing soldiers on their own populace.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_im_suing_barack_obama_20120116/
(As usual, Chris Hedges is quite eloquent and puts his butt on the line. I’ll probably link this again this week if it should prove germane to any of the many totalitarian screeds posted in the hundreds by weak-willed parrots and power-worshiping asshats.)
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BTW: I didn’t have a chance to weigh in with my opinion on gun control:
That is: Control Guns; its simple, ALL handguns have to be registered with local law enforcement; you can’t buy ammo for any gun not registered; anyone with a violent felony conviction cannot own a gun.
Failure to register handguns gets them confiscated, and with a hard prison term of at least 5 years. This to encourage registration.
This leave out rifles & shotguns.
The reasoning? Simple: In almost all crimes committed with a gun, a handgun us used as it is SO easily concealed. Its kinda hard to conceal a rifle or shotgun (tho it can be done), but so much easier to pull a small HG outta the pocket.
Use of a HG in the commission of a crime is 10 years first time, or more depending on circumstances.
This way, only law abiding citizens will be able to own a handgun and buy ammo.
Sounds reasonable to me.
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King’s College London, UK has recently analyzed the mortality and the death of British locations. It was found that between 2004 and 2009, the British reduced the mortality rate of 3.8%, and the choice in their own homes through life people increased by 9%, just over 1 / 5.
This analysis also found mostly at home died of cancer patients. Of course, most people still died in the hospital. Of which more than 5 percent of the people are entitled to Medicare hospital has completed the final section of the road of life, an adult in the general hospital or the death of a maintenance center.
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Argentine President Cristina 25 speech at the presidential palace, attacked British Prime Minister David Cameron on the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands, said the UK) remarks.
Christina said that the British occupation of the territory of Argentina, Argentina in the Falklands plunder of natural resources is an undeniable fact. British Prime Minister David Cameron claimed that Argentina’s colonial activities in the nonsense, because the British government in the Falklands issue, "Liquciqiong", so I had to post this irrational remarks. wedding dress
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1957 points 1 yuan
1960 1 min 80 yuan
1962 1 min 30 yuan
1965 1 min 350 yuan
1966 1 min 180 yuan
1967 1 min 350 yuan
1968 1 min 88 yuan
1969 1 min 150 yuan
1977 1 min 320 yuan
1981 1 min 5 yuan
1988 1 min 300 yuan
1989 1 min 150 yuan
1990 1 min 180 yuan
1995 1 min 0.5 yuan
1955 2 minutes 15 yuan
1957 2 min 2 yuan
1958 ?2 90 yuan
1959 2 minutes 0.5 yuan
1966 2 minutes 50 yuan
1967 2 minutes 90 yuan
1968 2 minutes 300 yuan
1970 2 minutes 180 yuan 1971 2 minutes 300 yuan
1972 2 minutes 260 yuan
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Attachment: Chinese hard currency collection points reference table
trading price 1 cents year ; 2 cents 5 cents
1955 30.00 980.00 30.00
1956 10.00 ; 6.00 8.00
1957 60.00 590.00 10.00
1958 10.00 ; 567.00 800.00
1959 4.00 1.00 1893.00
1960 358.00 ; 2.00 984.00
1961 1.00 2.00 ; 154.00
1962 2000 2.00 ; 600.00
1963 4.00 2.00 1200.00
1964 2.00 3.00 1080.00
19651368.00 800.00 ; 1320.00
1966 2100.00 1350.00 800.00
1967 690.00 860.00 1360 .00 1968 690.00 659.00 168.00
1969 800.00 1800.00 1680.00
1970 540.00 ; 1000.00 600.00
1971 1.00 124.00 1390 .00
1972 2.00 ; 420.00 590.00
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