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The Master Meme

     The gentlemen and ladies of the meme-o-sphere, where collective notions are birthed like sleet from clouds, have decided lately that the USA has entered a full-on broad-based bull market – a condition of general happiness and prosperity as far advanced beyond mere “recovery” as a wedge of triple-cream Saint-Andre cheese is advanced over a Cheez Doodle. It has become the master fantasy of the moment, following the birth of some junior memes such as… we have a hundred years of shale gas and the “housing sector” (i.e. the suburban sprawl-building industry) is “bouncing back.” What a sad-sack nation of credulous twits we have become.
     You can be sure that when a nation is led by the reality-deficient, unhappy outcomes are a sure thing. They will systematically destroy trust in the way things actually work and beat a fast path to either tyranny (where reality doesn’t matter) or anarchy (where reality cannot be managed at all). This is what happens when nations go mad. Even when they are led by people later-determined to be “evil” (Hitler, Lenin) this sad process is allowed to happen because it just seems like a good idea at the time – which is the central political tragedy of human history. To the beaten-down Russians, Bolshevism seemed like a good-idea at the time. To the bankrupt, hopeless Germans, Naziism seemed like a good idea.
     I’m not even sure what to call the current disposition of unreality in the USA, though it is clearly tinged with different colors of grandiosity ranging from the plain dopey idea of “American exceptionalism” to the wishful claim that we’re about to become “energy independent,” to the lame assertion so popular in presidential addresses that “together we can do anything.” Speaking of the inaugural, in all the Second-Coming-of-Lincoln-Meets-MLK hoopla of the grand day, with the national mall lined by gigantic flat screen TVs (an Orwellian nightmare), and the heartwarming displays of ethnic diversity, and the stridently inoffensive songs and poem, there was the genial Mr. Obama at the epicenter of the huge ceremony delivering a bouquet of platitudes so stale and trite that it could have been composed in a first-year Harvard Law School ethics skull session at a back table of Wagamama. Despite all the blather about his graying hair, and the wisdom of age, and the supposed music of his rhetoric, I couldn’t detect a single idea in Mr. Obama’s inaugural address that wasn’t either self-evident, or devised to flatter some “identity” bloc, or an imitation of old tropes out of the “Great Speeches” book.
     What’s obvious to me is what I have been fearing about this country for some time now: that all the disorders of our time would prompt a campaign to defend the status quo at all costs and to sustain the unsustainable. That is really the master wish behind all the political hijinks of the day, especially the pervasive accounting fraud in all high-order money matters. We see the comforts and conveniences of modernity slipping away and we’ll do anything to try to hang onto them, including lying to ourselves to such an immersive degree about what is really happening that we suppose we can manufacture a happy counter-reality. That’s at the heart of zero interest rate policies, and Federal Reserve manipulation of markets, and statistical misreporting from all the national agencies charged with adding things up. So, the Fed pumps its $90 billion-a-month and the Standard & Poor’s index inflates like an old tire while ten thousand more families get added to the food stamp rolls, and the banks sit on enough foreclosed property to fill the state of Indiana, and another 25-year-old college loan debt serf ODs on vodka and Xanax because he finally understands that even bankruptcy will not save him from perpetual penury.
     Apparently, there are moments in history when nations just get lost. I maintain that things would go a whole lot better for us if we acknowledge what is actually going on, namely: a major shift of direction into economic contraction after 200-plus thrilling years of expanding energy resources and easy-to-get material riches. It’s in the nature of this world that things cycle and pulse, and we have entered a certain phase of the cycle that demands certain responses. We have to make the scale of human activities smaller, finer, simpler, and more rooted to the local particulars of place. We have to let go of WalMart and globalism and driving cars incessantly and attempting to manage the affairs of people half a world a way… and we just can’t imagine engaging with this endeavor. That is true poverty of imagination.
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. Danmyshrall January 28, 2013 at 9:23 am #

    Thirst!

  2. TrE January 28, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Jim, instead of scaring us, the ongoing/accelerating contraction should point your long-time readers back to your periodic reminder to that nothing makes life more worth living than a sense of purpose.
    Here in our homes, in our communities, and with our families and friends, every single choice we’re presented with, every day, all day long, should be seen as an opportunity: To muddle the truth further, or to help make it more visible; to buy something new, or to fix something old; to bemoan the state of the world, or to proactively take positive action for our personal future; to retreat from those around us, or to engage with them; to show scorn, or to consciously practice gratitude.
    Though not guaranteed, such emotional preparation for a very different reality could make the difference.

  3. Neon Vincent January 28, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    You called it at least ten years ago when you said that, instead of preparing for the end of suburbia, the U.S. would try to preserve suburbia at all costs. That was a prediction that is coming true, right along with the one that we’d elect maniacs who’d promise that same result. Fortunately, we didn’t get a maniac as President, but there are plenty of other offices that are occupied by them.
    I didn’t take as pessimistic a view of President Obama last week. Instead, I was just happy that he acknowledged climate change as an issue. In fact, he spent as much or more time talking about climate change as he did on science and technology education, a known priority of his administration. Of course, the next thing he’ll likely do on that front is allow the segment of the Keystone XL crossing into the U.S. from Canada to be built. Sigh. What one hand gives, the other takes away.
    As for the other topics I’ve been covering at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I’m continuing with your theme from two weeks ago in looking at last year’s movies, talking about the weather, fuel-efficient and electric cars at NAIAS, the flue season and how climate change can make it worse, the latest on gas prices, my failing efforts to reduce my driving, and South Korea’s latest efforts at cornucopian thinking, research into a fusion reactor that will actually give off more energy than it takes to run it. They think they can do it in less than 30 years. Isn’t that what people have been saying about fusion power for decades, it’s 30 years away?
    Happy motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  4. Neon Vincent January 28, 2013 at 9:36 am #

    How does one say “Bloody Vikings” in Mandarin?

  5. Hammering Truth January 28, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    Market manipulation and jumbotron failure comes with a smile from our loving government: http://youtu.be/wE7aEQYLIBY http://youtu.be/mfW3hFAKFKs

  6. The Communal Solution January 28, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    While it is basically a given nobody wants to entertain the idea of communal living (including hippies and anarchists), still, I postulate that leaving that consciousness is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. “New towns” address our social needs but forget that we ultimately depend on field and forest. And homesteaders forget the social need. The alternative movement of the 70’s, if it demonstrated anything, it showed how anything based on private ownership of land and houses ends up as a means to exploit each other. Why? Because simple “trade” and business rarely generates enough “profit” to sustain individuals and individual families. Communal living has so often failed because it imitated the (dysfunctional) family model and where nearly all too small.

  7. Jimmy Drinkwater January 28, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    Apparently, there are moments in history when nations just get lost.

    7 stages of Democracy
    1. From Bondage to resistance;
    2. From resistance to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy;
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage
    What stage are we in right now?
    By the way JHK, looking forward to the site! makeover.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  8. Steve knox January 28, 2013 at 9:40 am #

    What was the Kingston Trio song “Where have all the flowers gone.” We fail to see the connections in a very complex world, thus denial is our response of choice, or fantasy. The thinking of the powers that be is fed and supported by the grass roots (that’s us). As you have said many times, real change has to come from the bottom (that’s us), but unfortunately there is denial there as well. What will it take?

  9. Bukko Canukko January 28, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    I took a road trip back to my boyhood home near Washington, D.C. this month — Syracuse, up in JHK’s neck of the woods, is a great local-beer town! — and I caught the zeitgeist of my left-behind kinfolk. The old ones with money chatter about the tock market like it was something real, like it was the temperature of the nation’s health.
    I took my daughter and her boyfriend to an office near K Street to pick up tickets for the Obamanuguration. They’re unemployed college grads — no debt for my kid, though! Living in Grandma’s basement, hoping to catch a jobspot in the Federaleviathan. They’re being screwed by the way things are, but they sill believe that’s just the way it is, and things will get better someday. Only mildly upset. They have video games to retreat into when reality is too depressing.
    Opposite sides of the demographic and economic divide. But they have one thing in common — they believe the propaganda from the hologram. Things are gonna be OK. Boy are they gonna be shocked!

  10. LifeSupport January 28, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    I see the problem going much deeper than our being “led by the reality-deficient”. As a people, we are reality-deficient to the bone — and reality-deficient people tend to be reality-resistant. We will vilify any leader who tries to clobber us with more reality than we are inclined to accept. It’s completely self-perpetuating.
    As Bill Moyers put it:
    “An unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obese in mind and spirit by the junk food of propaganda, is less inclined to put up a fight, ask questions and be skeptical.”

  11. kulturcritic* January 28, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    James even if we could “let go” of these things, could the Russians, Chinese and Indians let go as well?
    kulturCritic

  12. orbit7er January 28, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    What the elite wants in the interests of the 1% and the vast Corporate Welfare Military Recipients vs the US public are totally at odds. I have yet to meet ANYONE even some rabidly rightwing Libertarians who want to continue wasting $1 Trillion a year on the Endless Wars all over the planet. This is a point of genuine agreement from the Right, Left and Center. You will see it constantly in the “Comments” sections to newspapers etc where they exist. While the Corporate Media refuse to touch the Wars waste, many many members of the public want it stopped.

    Our situation if we just RAN our trains, buses and shuttles is not so dire as imagined. Even with the US current waste of 233,000 miles of existing Rail which could be restored to passenger and freight service, 70% of working age Americans in the top 100 US Metro areas ALREADY live only 3/4ths mile from a Transit stop!

    If we converted to Green Transit as was done during WW II we could cut oil usage by 10-15% in a year, greenhouse emissions correspondingly and also the 70% of US trade deficit caused by US oil imports.

    Green Transit will come…

  13. david January 28, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    I was sitting at a bridge table yesterday with 3 allegedly intelligent people, and one asked, “What the hell is ‘fracking?'”
    Another said, “It’s when they steal oil and gas out from underneath hillbillies.”
    It’s as good a definition as I could think of.

  14. 3rd Generation January 28, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    You mean you can’t get something for nothing after all ?
    The Horror.

  15. empirestatebuilding January 28, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    In the meantime, I just made a bunch of money gambling on Netflix stock. Might as well enjoy the ride until the wave crashes.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  16. steve January 28, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    Mr. K: Your wit and pen seem sharper to me this year. Your comments are more pithy and pointed with fewer specific predictions of time and place for events to happen. Congratulations and keep ‘em coming. You are right on and will be proved so.

  17. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    JHK said:

    What’s obvious to me is what I have been fearing about this country for some time now: that all the disorders of our time would prompt a campaign to defend the status quo at all costs and to sustain the unsustainable. That is really the master wish behind all the political hijinks of the day…

    The status quo is no action on climate change. The status quo in the inauguration speech would have been to continue to ignore climate change.
    But that is not what happened. Obama demonstrated awareness. Obama did not keep it hidden or gloss over it or just not mention it.
    Likewise the financial crisis was not ignored. The second paragraph into the speech Obama said:
    “Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some…”
    Does that sound like someone out of touch with reality? Does that sound like someone who wants to maintain the “status quo”?
    By highlighting greed in the second substantive paragraph of a speech watched by so many, Obama revealed that he would take an activist approach to leveling the playing field.
    It’s a new morning in America.
    “Each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.” –Obama
    Obama put climate change front and center in his inauguration speech and gave it more attention than any other topic (with eight sentences) and here are two of those sentences:
    We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms. –Obama
    Does that sound like someone determined to maintain the status quo? No, it sounds like what I read every week on CFN.

  18. tstreet January 28, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    It is a mistake, of course, to confuse the actual economic health of the nation and the stock market, which at best, measures the well being of those at the top who are able to skim off whatever remaining wealth is left. I am convinced that we have entered an economic malaise that is permanent but then I was wrong about the stock market as I thought that it would be stuck or go down because of the real economic conditions that exist on the ground.
    Not much mentioned is our sheer incompetence, even for those things that we have committed to. We have spent over 6 billion on high speed rail but have yet to lay one mile of track. Not the high speed rail will save us but we are really incapable of doing anything on a grand or even medium scale.
    Those on the left bemoan our lack of commitment to infrastructure by which they mainly mean roads and bridges. Well, it’s roads and highway bridges that got us into trouble in the first place. Better we commit to rails, crossings, railroad bridge, bike paths, walkways, compact towns and cities, local food, and way much less military spending.
    Just because we are past so called greatness by which we mean ever expanding gross product doesn’t mean we cannot aim collectively and individually for the good life. This is true because the good life was well within our reach trillions of gross product ago. The good life requires a sense of limits and an emphasis on those things that do not require money but require an appreciation for the things and people around us.
    Obama does indeed have dreams other than his father. Unfortunately, they seem to be dreams of what was and more than what he have to. We dream of more without any sense of what that more means.

  19. Jason Heppenstall January 28, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    Looks like we are heading into the age of the great concrete spew. As energy and jobs get more scarce politicians everywhere are throwing up bricks and heaving out concrete like there’s no tomorrow. In the US you’re going for more urban sprawl, whereas in Britain they’re churning out plans for new airports and roads – and now a totally unnecessary high speed rail link that links London to a shopping mall in the north.
    Even here in Denmark they’re building a big new motorway from nowhere to nowhere – not because it’s needed, but because it will create something called ‘growth’.
    22billionenergyslaves.blogspot.com

  20. mountaingal January 28, 2013 at 10:25 am #

    The “recovery” is supposedly happening all around us, but I don’t see it. More and more of my friends are out of work. I just found out that 2 more are losing their jobs shortly. Others are working p/t despite wanting full-time work. I’m still out of work; the folks at my unemployment office suggested that I look into doing clerical work. Sure, that’s why I went and got all those degrees and worked all these years so I could end up doing clerical work. But really, they have nothing to offer me. The good jobs just aren’t here.
    Two interesting articles today; in the NYT an article as to how more employers are chosing to hire nostly those referred by current employees. They make fun of the job boards such as Monster and deride those who send resumes through them. And of course, those who are out of work start to lose touch with those who are still employed, plus it appears those employed hesitate to suggest any long-time unemployed person for a position. Do they have cooties or something?
    Another article(USA Today and elsewhere) states that nearly half of working Americans are working at jobs for which they are overqualified. Duh. Really? And it’s only getting worse as we shove another batch of indebted college grads out the door to compete with all the other college grads hoping to score a job that is at least remotely “professional”. But the drumbeat of needing more people to study science and math and engineering to fill all those supposedly unfilled hi-tech jobs just waiting for Americans to fill them goes on and on. Sounds like one big Ponzi scheme to me……

  21. mistified January 28, 2013 at 10:28 am #

    “We have to make the scale of human activities smaller, finer, simpler, and more rooted to the local particulars of place.”
    When enough amongst the voting population re-elect the very individual, who’s beliefs run counter to your proclamation, how would you suggest that that will come to pass?
    (Who the fuck did YOU vote for, Jim-Bob?)

  22. orbit7er January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Obomber also promised to close Guantanamo and end the Wars. Instead of course Obomber sent another 30K troops to Afghanistan, started a new illegal War with Libya with NO Congressional authorization whatsoever, is setting up bases all over Africa to go along with his drone assassinations, and is arming all the countries like Australia around China. Rhetoric and words are cheap!

    Obomber is selling the delusions about 100 years of Natural Gas, actually increased oil drilling and wasted $7 Billion on cash for clunkers and wants to waste $7 Billion on personal electric cars.
    Although he did throw some pennies at Green Transit, he has never proposed increasing the Fed gas tax which has not risen since 1993 and is supporting boondoggles like neoliberal Gov Cuomo’s $5 Billion proposed new Autos only Tappan Zee bridge. Even the NYDOT’s website actually provides no justification for wasting $5 Billion on more lanes for the Tappan Zee bridge. It is NOT falling apart or in danger. It is simply that the Tappan Zee is overloaded and clogged to a snail’s pace for hours every day with 130,000 cars and trucks crossing it. Ie the usual solution in the age of Auto Addiction – too congested Hey lets build MORE lanes!

    I believe in actions not rhetoric.

    All the same it is refreshing to finally hear some rhetoric at least tossed in the direction of the reality of Climate Change. But when will the reality of Peak Oil be told???

  23. Lucky 13 January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    I like yr blog.
    Thanks for the info on the latest ‘projects’ in Europe. [rail link that links London to a shopping mall in the north!!!!].
    News, state of emergency in Egypt.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/28/us-egypt-anniversary-idUSBRE90N1E620130128

  24. wardoc January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    “We have to make the scale of human activities smaller, finer, simpler, and more rooted to the local particulars of place…..”
    It is obvious that we, as a society, will never do the above until we are forced to, in the most oppressive and horrendous manner, by nature itself. And that will likely be decades from now, after we have torn ourselves apart with race war, civil war and general reactive mayhem.
    As for our failure to see reality: Group psychosis is NEVER perceived by the members of the psychotic group, any more than is the paranoia of the schizophrenic perceived by him or her as paranoid ideation. (They believe their delusions with imperviousness; that is one of the cardinal aspects of delusionality; they are impervious to reason and fact). Thus, we, as a society, think we are sane (aka, energy independent, triumphant, exceptional, etc ad nauseum).
    Talk with someone of intelligence who lives outside amerika; you may be very surprised about their perception of what is going on here. We are seen as the most stupid and gullible people in all of the first world; perhaps we are no longer “first world,” in any real sense of that term.

  25. nameta9 January 28, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    But alas the mistake is to think that there is any model; that a society or civilization or country or any group can behave “rationally”, can behave according to a model, like JHK’s model, or my own model or any model: the Man Brain is a totally unstable, intractable and unpredicatble machine, hence the civilization he creates, the customs and behaviors of a society or tribe is always a fluke, full of contradictions, quirks and problems and mythical solutions and religions (even if masked in another form, like the science of Economy and so forth): in short, there is no normal, there has never been any normal, or any correct way of functioning for a society, there is no correct and wrong. Any normal today can always be criticized and compared to an alternative normal and demonstrated as wrong or incorrect and so forth, and all past societies were the same and so all future societies, there is no normal and never will be, there are no solutions to a society and never will be and never has been, etc.
    All the debates and blocks of texts imply that something is wrong and there is a way to fix it, that we must return to “correct” and “normal” and so forth: but nothing further from the truth, there is no “correct” or “normal” or better or anything, only temporary fluke chocies, fluke decisions, fluke customs and behaviors a society self imposes upon itself, brainwashes itself to have as long as it can last, and then it will change again, a never ending stream of new normals, new corrects and so forth.
    What is right or wrong, what system is better or worse ? no one knows or will ever know, we just transit from system to system, from civilization types to other types with all possible contradictions operating and such.
    Anything can become a goal, no matter how far out, a society can impose itself as a goal to count all the rocks in a desert, or pick them up and move them just for no reason at all: the same kind of goal is imposed by declaring that Economies must grow, someone made up this task and all of a sudden that is the task that must be achieved and done and so forth: any other task can be invented and other normal and abnormal (normal is the high growth society, abnormal the low growth one and so forth) can be invented, defined and assigned and so forth. So the fact that the car tire isn’t blue is a problem, that must be fixed and so on, invent any imagined normal, declare the present state as sick or bad and then assign the task to fix it and assign yourself as being correct and knowing the truth since you have imposed that the car tire must be blue and so forth, the same with any other kinds of inventions of normal and not normal, goals and tasks, the sick society and healthy society and so forth (JHK’s example, small and local is better than big and global and so forth, all arbitrary aesthetical, artistic choices in the end).

  26. nameta9 January 28, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    But alas the mistake is to think that there is any model; that a society or civilization or country or any group can behave “rationally”, can behave according to a model, like JHK’s model, or my own model or any model: the Man Brain is a totally unstable, intractable and unpredicatble machine, hence the civilization he creates, the customs and behaviors of a society or tribe is always a fluke, full of contradictions, quirks and problems and mythical solutions and religions (even if masked in another form, like the science of Economy and so forth): in short, there is no normal, there has never been any normal, or any correct way of functioning for a society, there is no correct and wrong. Any normal today can always be criticized and compared to an alternative normal and demonstrated as wrong or incorrect and so forth, and all past societies were the same and so all future societies, there is no normal and never will be, there are no solutions to a society and never will be and never has been, etc.
    All the debates and blocks of texts imply that something is wrong and there is a way to fix it, that we must return to “correct” and “normal” and so forth: but nothing further from the truth, there is no “correct” or “normal” or better or anything, only temporary fluke chocies, fluke decisions, fluke customs and behaviors a society self imposes upon itself, brainwashes itself to have as long as it can last, and then it will change again, a never ending stream of new normals, new corrects and so forth.
    What is right or wrong, what system is better or worse ? no one knows or will ever know, we just transit from system to system, from civilization types to other types with all possible contradictions operating and such.
    Anything can become a goal, no matter how far out, a society can impose itself as a goal to count all the rocks in a desert, or pick them up and move them just for no reason at all: the same kind of goal is imposed by declaring that Economies must grow, someone made up this task and all of a sudden that is the task that must be achieved and done and so forth: any other task can be invented and other normal and abnormal (normal is the high growth society, abnormal the low growth one and so forth) can be invented, defined and assigned and so forth. So the fact that the car tire isn’t blue is a problem, that must be fixed and so on, invent any imagined normal, declare the present state as sick or bad and then assign the task to fix it and assign yourself as being correct and knowing the truth since you have imposed that the car tire must be blue and so forth, the same with any other kinds of inventions of normal and not normal, goals and tasks, the sick society and healthy society and so forth (JHK’s example, small and local is better than big and global and so forth, all arbitrary aesthetical, artistic choices in the end).

  27. mistified January 28, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    “In fact, he spent as much or more time talking about climate change as he did on science and technology education…”
    Of course he did, you simpleton. How do you think he will fund his sophomoric, utopian dream of a larger, more corrupt, centralized government? Carbon taxes. Trillions and trillions will be pilfered from a substance that all living creatures exhale. Followed soon, I have no doubt, on the substance we INHALE.
    We have met the enemy…and he is government.

  28. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:41 am #

    And we just can’t imagine engaging with this endeavor. That is true poverty of imagination.

    It is hard to imagine engaging in the endeavor when Agents of the government engage people on your own blog so as to prevent discussion of these very ideas.
    Damn hard.
    But as Agent Asoka says,
    asoka.. replied to comment from Collapse Watch | January 23, 2013 8:07 PM | Reply
    Blogging on CFN is hard work.

  29. editnetwork January 28, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    Pithy as always.
    I note you’re redesigning the page; may I timidly express my hope you’ll switch to something like “fustercluck nation” (my own euphemism)? I’d love to share nearly all your writings here, but too many of my readers would recoil at the page banner & never get past it.
    I know, it’s trivial to be offended by a word when so many wrenching realities today are as horrifying as they are. Still, I hesitate to lecture readers on such a note. Perhaps the spoonerism would still convey your burden, with a wry twist that may also be in character for you; of course, improvements or entirely different approaches may suggest themselves. If you keep the present banner title, I’ll work harder to find ways to share the points you make.
    Appreciate your consideration. — PH

  30. mistified January 28, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    “As Bill Moyers put it:…”
    Bill should know. He has been spewing his moronic lefty propaganda for years. He’s as phony as Obama in a Commander-In-Chief, flight jacket. (You know, the one he wears that actually says, “Commander-In-Chief”. What a little tin-horn, fucktard.)

  31. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    Obomber also promised to close Guantanamo and end the Wars.
    =========
    “the Wars” were Iraq and Afghanistan. One down one to go. We have no combat troops in Libya. On the Wars Obama you can judge Obama by his action, not his rhetoric. He acted to end the war in Iraq just as he said in his campaign.

  32. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    24 Jan 15:33:33 Firefox 14.0
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    That’s Agent Asoka for those of you who only stop by on Monday.
    The hole has been plugged.

  33. mistified January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    Shut up, fucktard. This is a man you have said, on more than one occasion, should be arrested and tried as a war criminal.

  34. J January 28, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    Jimmy. I think we have entered into the process of #8. I feel that as a nation we have so lost our way that there is no going back until complete collapse. Then maybe…just maybe we can pull ouselves back to some decent place to have and raise families.
    BTW. I am from the deep south and realize that the cultural differences in the different sections of our country contributes to our collective misery.

  35. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:55 am #

    so as to prevent discussion of these very ideas.
    ============
    Discuss away. I’m not stopping you.

  36. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    There is no going back until complete collapse.

    The problem with that is that then everybody’s dead. We need to have the discussion now and get to work. Time is a wastin.
    And without interference !!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. pathetic nickel January 28, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    90% will not change anything. They will continue to do whatever it is they are doing now. The thought that anything will change(except to get more expensive) is just not there. Thank god there is enough booze and drugs to go around or we could be in some serious trouble.

  38. piltdownman January 28, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    I was at an event this weekend in Virginia. At some point, a woman seated near me announced that “After 9/11, I knew they’d come after our freedoms.” I think she was referring to Mayor Bloomberg’s anti “big gulp” crusade, because she was busy chugging some sort of generic red soda/pop from a 2 liter bottle.
    Kids, that is America. A low info, high fructose woman seriously conflating the freedom our forefather’s gained with the ability to self-medicate with aspartame.
    Pilt

  39. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    mistified, you must not be following along. K-Dog has outed me as a decorated combat veteran working for DoD, with definite proof.
    Please thank me for my service, fucktard.

  40. SouthernHick January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    “Even when they are led by people later-determined to be “evil” (Hitler, Lenin, Obama) this sad process is allowed to happen because it just seems like a good idea at the time – which is the central political tragedy of human history.”
    Yep, that seems right.

  41. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    No I have not done that. You are claiming to be ‘a decorated combat veteran working for DoD’ not me.
    I merely went to Kunstler’s ‘Stats’ log and found your time stamp.
    But if you’d like to give some more detail the whole word is watching.
    Well that’s not quite true. A few thousand people though for sure.
    All you are to me is Agent Asoka.

  42. Unconventional Ideas January 28, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    Couldn’t agree more.
    Support efforts for walking paths for schoolchildren, and other walking advocacy efforts. Support green transit.
    There are tens of millions who will follow good leadership in these areas. The time is ripe.

  43. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    Actions speak louder than any words, and the actions, though cleverly disguised, betray the words in every instance. Of course, you’ll post some nonsense as proof to the contrary, but your proof is never proof. It’s always specious bullshit.
    Obama, along with all politicians and accountants and lawyers and academicians and economists and investment advisers and Shareholders and Upper Management and cops and soldiers and essentially anyone in any position of any authority are outright frauds perpetuating the Grand Caper.
    All of them speak with forked tongues and should never be trusted.

  44. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    Support efforts for walking paths for schoolchildren, and other walking advocacy efforts.

    No doubt child-molesting pedophiles will be in full support of this, and then subsequently laying in wait in the bushes for the kiddies to pass.

  45. Kitaj January 28, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    Seriously, you actually believe this is anymore than a rhetorical facade on Obama’s part? Obama is absolutely NOT challenging the status quo anywhere near the depth it needs to be challeneged.
    Got a book for you: “Dispelling Wetiko.” If youve never heard the term, “Wetiko” is a Native American term made famous by Jack Forbes in his classic book, “Columbus and other Cannibals.”
    In Dispelling Wetiko, Paul Levy is defining the term in its broadest sense as the cannibal-vampiric-soul-sickness-that- creates-the-spiritual-plague-that-is-destroying- humanity.
    Humanity is sick on a mass scale and is in the beginnings of a global nervous breakdown. I seriously dont think Obama is going to be facing this reality anytime soon, as he is a major carrier of the disease.

  46. stelmosfire January 28, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    One of Obama’s first acts this term was to replace Air Force One, at a cost of $500,000,000.00 Michelle is getting one also only hers is gonna’ be in pink!






  47. Jack Waddington January 28, 2013 at 11:36 am #

    It’s all so simple … if only we could understand simplicity.. sadly, therein is the dilemma.
    Abolish money and ALL forms of exchange. With that Governments (someone else idea of how we should each live) and Law (the means to implement that idea) will all evaporate and we’ll each become sovereign unto ourselves (as individuals and not as any for of collective-ness … family, congregation et al)
    But that is crazy and would never work (whatever is meant by working) … I hear being churned out there in the wilderness. Remember we were all born taking (our needs) and we die giving all our possessions (we can’t take any of it with us) and between times we sometimes give and other times we take. It will all just level out just like water … water does not have a hierarchy.
    Our madness arises out of this one stupid so called solution some eons ago when we contrived ‘exchange’.
    Jack Waddington

  48. Kitaj January 28, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    Though I am not a libertarian, for the record, let’s at least try to represent people accurately: real Libertarians are totally opposed to Imperial foreign policy and heed Washington’s advise about not meddling in the affairs of others.

  49. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    We have met the enemy…and he is government.

    No, the enemy is not the Government. Government is a tool of the enemy. The enemy is what you support….the Corporations, and yes, Liberals are sycophantic retards, but so too are Conservatives for overlooking this very basic point and many other points.
    Quit looking for Leadership. Grow some balls and lead yourself, you stinking cowards. Quit passing the buck to some form of “Leadership.” Southern guys are such pussies. But that’s not enough. That could be forgiven. They’re stooooopid pussies. Double Indemnity.
    “Where’s the Leadership?” What a hoot!!! Tell you what, LOSERS. If that’s your response to all this, then you don’t stand a chance. You’re so far behind, you deserve everything you’re going to get, and man oh man, you’re going to get, just wait.

  50. LifeSupport January 28, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    Do you actually disagree with what Moyers said, or were you just trying to illustrate the point?

  51. Dirk January 28, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    Please tell me you are joking, Neon Vincent, when you say you were ‘happy’ that Oboob mentioned climate change? You cannot seriously think anything meaningful will EVER be done, can you? You cannot be one of those dreamers who believe ‘green energy’ actually exists, can you? Please, tell me you are not one of those idiots who think trading carbon credits is a good idea. One thing you may be assured of: Oboob will never ever do ANYTHING about ‘climate change’ because (1) it’s bad or the economy and (2) even if he was truly committed to the task, there are far to many who believe point (1) to allow it to happen.

  52. newworld January 28, 2013 at 11:46 am #

    I have unleased PutZilla today. Actually its pretty easy when to do this, when the sell side clown show is telling you of some fantastic price point on top of the already new, new highs then go LEAP Puts.
    Its the principle of Caveat Emptor, they do this over and over. I did it with APPL back a year ago during one of its blow off surges, and stupid me missed the last surge. Now I’m doing this with SPY.
    Hey it pays for preps, don’t judge me.

  53. newworld January 28, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    Another investment idea for my Clusterfucker brothers and sisters. After the Obama admin gives its oligarch financeers a better entry point into coal, then go long coal stocks or KOL index.
    So I expect soon some great admin attack on globull warming, which is designed to give Soros and Co a better entry point into the cash flow of the energy biz, so make it your own as well.
    I follow the coal biz and a point of increasing sales is exports of thermal to Europe, yes Europe.
    See a socialist is not out to save the world, a socialist is out to rule the world and if the power is cut off then the peasants might change socialists for another less respectable socialist so to keep the power on in a declining econ, they will burn whatever they can get their hands on.
    Some domestic dogs ANR, ACH, and some of the mids from the Powder River Basin which will be peddled as PC coal before Illinois sulfur is mixed into the blend.
    Natgas is a good delta hedge, coal goes up by natty, natty goes up by coal.

  54. asoka: January 28, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    All right K-dog, point taken.
    So for the several hundred or so souls out there let me offer up the most sincere apology for the last seven years. I am deeply ashamed. Please take note of the following corrections:
    1. I don’t live in a mud hut; there is no mud hut.
    2. I have a nice townhouse in Washington D.C. (Is this a great country or what?)
    3. I’m not black. I’m a white guy in his mid thirties.
    4. I’ve never been to Ecuador, or New Mexico for that matter.
    5. There is no Mrs. Asoka.
    6. I make a lot more than $12,000 a year; I don’t make $33 every day just for getting out of bed.
    7. I’m here on the US government tab; your tax dollars at work for a better United States of America.
    8. My Spanish speaking ability is poor at best.
    9. I’ve been a shameless liar here for the last seven years.
    Agent Asoka

  55. jonathanss. January 28, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    Could you list any taxes that are good for the economy? If not, than where do you want funding to come from? Would you swap pollution, sin & consumption taxes with the current taxes on income?

  56. piltdownman January 28, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Is it just me, or has the level of commenting here descended to a new low? Altering the President’s name into some taunt or jibe, while it may feel “creative” or “snarky,” is redolent of adolescent, school yard name calling. Ditto the frequent use of “fucktard” and “retard.”
    I’m dead tired of it….but perhaps that’s one more symptom of the downward spiral…
    Pilt

  57. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Someone who is deeply ashamed would not have called me a fucktard.
    My feelings are hurt.

  58. Zev Paiss January 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    More and more I find my self not wanting to listen to mainstream news because the reality they are reporting on is simply now happening. The Emperor has no clothes and is in the process of freezing to death.
    I constantly see the incredible creativity inching its way out of the cracks forming in the old order and am encouraged by what I see. The Transition Town movement is fostering a huge, almost invisible, movement towards an emerging sustainable economy.
    It is these positive trends I find myself following and using as a measuring stick of our progress. Deep down I am optimistic that we will emerge from this Great Transition a humbler, more compassionate and ultimately more sustainable society.
    You can read more about my vision in my first novel “From Here to There: A Story of America’s Future at http://www.fromhere-tothere.org
    You will be very glad you did.

  59. Kitaj January 28, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    How many mercenaries do we still have in Iraq Asoka? A hhhuuuuge embassy was built there. But the point is, Obama never went after Bush-Cheney for this disasterous illegal war that slaughtered over a million Iraqis. No repudiation of our gangsterish foreign policy. Along with no prosecutions of Wall Street gangsters. Business as usual.
    This country has been taken over by a financial organized crime syndicate, to go along with a military-industrial complex, and between them they are destroying this country. I dont hear Obama mentioning any of this in his speeches.

  60. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    The old ones with money chatter about the tock market
    ==========
    Really? They’re into the clock business…. grandfather clocks in particular, I presume? And how is the clock business these days?

  61. ront January 28, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

    DAMNED well said, JHK! “Half the battle is won when you can face up to yourself and see the false from the true.” Let US be a self-examine nation.

  62. stelmosfire January 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about A. You finally come clean. You will sleep better at night! :o)Myself I am a KGB agent posting on CFN to lighten the place up and prevent political dissension by the Lumpenproletariat.

  63. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    “More and more I find my self not wanting to listen to mainstream news because the reality they are reporting on is simply not happening.”
    Like Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb?
    What’s really happening in Mali.
    From http://www.care.org

    Conflict in Mali: Exacerbating the situation is fighting in northern Mali which has prompted massive population movements within Mali and from Mali to Niger. Right now, more than 440,000 people are displaced. Some have stayed within the country borders, while many have fled to neighboring countries seeking refuge. Almost 70,000 Malians fled to neighboring Niger, putting more stress on the already vulnerable population. Out of the 4.6 million people affected by the food security and nutrition crisis in Mali, approximately 1.6 million live in northern Mali, where access is limited.

    All those people starving to death. Damn you’d think they’d be more worried about getting a meal than taking away our freedom. But what can you say, terrorists are really tough bastards or they wouldn’t be terrorists now would they.
    Perhaps Agent Asoka can provide some clarity.

  64. Jimmy Drinkwater January 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm #

    We need to have the discussion now and get to work. Time is a wastin.
    And without interference !!!!!!!!!!!!

    To that end would there be any interest in forming a CFN satellite forum free of that ….cough…. interference? It could be lightly modded to remain free of interference.
    On another note, I see on JHK’s home page the announcement that a forum makeover is in the works soon.

  65. azgog January 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    Jeez you people need to Lighten Up. There is an astrological theory that we have now exited the Age of Pisces and are well within the Age of Aquarius (the dawning part is over). This explains why we have a Black President (x2), illusions shattered, despots overturned, gay everything, religion rejected, internet everywhere, legalized pot and more bicycles.
    The Age of Pisces was all about “power over”, sophisticated weaponry, old time religions, wealth concentration and general uptightness. Now the scales have been lifted from our eyes as man&womankind advance from adolescense to maturity in a solar powered worldwide web of enlightenment.
    The aging dinosaurs of the GOP/NRA are expiring in the ditch of history and it will be a new world without them, Amigos. So Happy Precession everyone!
    Of course I personally do not believe in Astrology because I’m a Sagittarius and we’re skeptical.

  66. asoka: January 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Perhaps President Obama can find a way to put them on food stamps. An emergency C-4 can be dispatched to Mali full of EBT cards

  67. sevenmmm January 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    “So, the Fed pumps its $90 billion-a-month and the Standard & Poor’s index inflates like an old tire while ten thousand more families get added to the food stamp rolls, and the banks sit on enough foreclosed property to fill the state of Indiana, and another 25-year-old college loan debt serf ODs on vodka and Xanax because he finally understands that even bankruptcy will not save him from perpetual penury”.
    Highlight of the blog for me. A real eye opener. What a delight would this be if the author were to write the inaugural speech…
    Hell Yeah!

  68. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    You are one cold bastard.
    Ooops, I forgot there are more than one of you.

  69. stelmosfire January 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    ????? You want to send plastic explosives to a war zone?? Good plan, KGB figure you mean C-5 Galaxy? I thought you were a US Agent. You are currently demoted to toilet duty!

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  71. asoka: January 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    K-dog –
    Can you give me my coordinates, please.
    Thank you.

  72. nameta9 January 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    And notice that the more something can’t be had the more it is invoked, the less Growth is possible and will be possible the more it is invoked and called for (especially in the EU to pay of their debts, go figure), the more they all chant that Economic growth is needed, the less it is really possible, the more they chant that they need Innovation and Research and Startups (so that a new superstar corporation like Apple can invent something new and make huge profits by huge sales “growth” and such) the less innovations are even possible: everything game changing has been invented, there are fewer and fewer possible real innovations and new miracle discoveries making new companies possible, and it all goes back to wishful thinking, hoping for the miracles, the miracles of never ending growth and profits and such.
    And each new innovation is less new, the iphone was just a cluster of old inventions put together in a new package and so forth, the cloud is just the internet named differently and so forth, ever fewer possible real innovations and possible economic growth and ever more they are invoked and the more they all chant about this mythology, these hoped for miracles.
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  73. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    Last week you were in Arizona, Virginia, and Kansas. You like to hang out near single strip air force bases.”
    It could have something to do with my dislike of Drones but then I’d be really full of myself if I pay attention to that.

  74. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    Oh and Wisconsin last night.

  75. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    TO: asoka: (colon)
    FROM: Asoka.. (3:33:33 dot dot)
    RE: coordinates request to K-Dog
    You would settle for coordinates? K-Dog is giving out golden timestamps, man! Get what you deserve.

  76. Frank January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    “We have to make the scale of human activities smaller, finer, simpler, and more rooted to the local particulars of place. We have to let go of WalMart and globalism and driving cars incessantly and attempting to manage the affairs of people half a world a way…”
    The grand ol’USA will get back to simpler times, but first there is going to be a significant civil event that will destroy the tenuous fabric of this country. You will not like it.

  77. Bustin Jay January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Yes, it is sad that Obama is in fact no leader, but a perfectly competent chief executive. He is not and never presented himself as visionary. He is a city boy, a lawyer, and a politician.
    I appreciate his AG’s discretion in dealing with the normalization of marijuana laws.
    But as far as vision goes he’s blinded by the bling in D.C. as far as I can tell.
    As for CARBON TAXES, you betcha!
    We are either headed for a zero-emission future with new technology or apocalypse. Exxon may be the biggest corporation on Earth, but when push comes to shove, the US Military can easily take over the show.
    The large technology firms, for their part, are showing remarkable restraint. China is sitting on over a trillion dollars in cash, and our largest domestic companies total a similar amount.
    All of them are hamstrung by fear that if they are the first in the pool with renewable energy the others will eat their lunch.
    Its not enough for the .gov to create Solyndras and A123s, they really have to kick corporate ass to make them see the light. Punitive fines, fees, legal action, public relations campaigns and lawsuits. Of course, what we really need is a public behind the effort and so far we haven’t seen vociferous support.
    The right wing as usual is stopping progress by promulgating myths that free enterprise will abandon lucrative and dangerous fossil fuel industries. And the largely corporate media is following suit by presenting such views as the opinion of reasonable people.
    The general public is still largely a blank slate, willing to use whatever fuel is available, and unable to create the critical mass of “market forces” necessary to deincentivize fossil fuels. Any effort by Obama to build oil pipelines or natural gas export terminals is de facto support for the fossil fuel industries at this point.
    Global Heating is accelerating at worst-case scenario levels. Nameta7’s core temperature is rising, and his methane emissions are becoming more and more flatulent.
    Carbon tax? In my state they are considering taxing miles driven- a wonderful idea. Tax ‘em all, and let God sort them out.

  78. ront January 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    This fits right into the fearless observations in this essay.






  79. shm January 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    this is one of your best columns I do believe. I tmore people on the landhink that there has to be more local sustainable activities with a massive draw down of our military apparatus around the world esp in regard to nuclear pretension of security. The one thing that would foster local economics paradoxically would be single payer medical and dental which would allow(not guarantee) more people to not be locked into the deadly corporate stuctures that most suburbanites have depended on. No doubt there has to be some honesty about facing our own immortality on medical limits, but by and large the expenditures in this manner are not so resource exhaustive. With this security it would be more easy to live and work in small cities and towns and more people on the land that would coincide with E.F. Schumacher’s trinity of health,beauty, and permanance. You are absolutely right about leaders and people in general ignoring what is coming down. Perhaps it is a lack of creative imagination of putting forward the future of disarmament,shared medical solutions,weaning ourselves off of jet set living whether at just in time Wal Marts, sport teams flying everywhere,and fossil fuel commuting is not that bad,because we still can have sport,shopping,travel,etc. We have to stop eating our capital that sustains us. In short ..constructive repentance. As helpful as it has been for the minority to have iniated this;it is not enough ..the choir must grow.shm

  80. shm January 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    this is one of your best columns I do believe. I tmore people on the landhink that there has to be more local sustainable activities with a massive draw down of our military apparatus around the world esp in regard to nuclear pretension of security. The one thing that would foster local economics paradoxically would be single payer medical and dental which would allow(not guarantee) more people to not be locked into the deadly corporate stuctures that most suburbanites have depended on. No doubt there has to be some honesty about facing our own immortality on medical limits, but by and large the expenditures in this manner are not so resource exhaustive. With this security it would be more easy to live and work in small cities and towns and more people on the land that would coincide with E.F. Schumacher’s trinity of health,beauty, and permanance. You are absolutely right about leaders and people in general ignoring what is coming down. Perhaps it is a lack of creative imagination of putting forward the future of disarmament,shared medical solutions,weaning ourselves off of jet set living whether at just in time Wal Marts, sport teams flying everywhere,and fossil fuel commuting is not that bad,because we still can have sport,shopping,travel,etc. We have to stop eating our capital that sustains us. In short ..constructive repentance. As helpful as it has been for the minority to have iniated this;it is not enough ..the choir must grow.shm

  81. Steve knox January 28, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    To mention a problem is one thing, to take positive action is another. The financial disaster has been been with us for at least four years, and what action has Obama taken? The TBTF banks are bigger, no one has gone to jail. If that’s action, then he have a low threshold. While recognizing climate change, he has said job creation is more important. The status quo group is very much in control.

  82. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    It’s just you. And the same can be said for the use of the word “pilt,” but no one does. And why is that? Because most here believe in “live and let live.” It’s types like you who have to put meter gauges on everything they can see, touch and feel, ruining it for all the rest of us who just want to grow our own cannabis and wait out the rest of this morass in stoned reverie. I suggest you help myrtlemay reconnect with Joan Kennedy and start lunching with them at the Parker House Hotel, but make sure to do the responsible thing and call a cab afterwards. Bring Peter with you. That should be a blast. Maybe he can order the Gabagoo Special. It’s to die for. It’s a healthy portion of Gabagoo on one of their infamous Parker House rolls slathered in Grey Poupon mustard. They used to slather it in Nance’s, but so many Peter-types implored them to use Grey Poupon, they relented. It was a small concession. Maybe Peter, after doing his imitation of the Grey Poupon commercial for you, can do Joan from the behind, in between courses. What a spectacle that would be!!! It’d be enough for you to embrace the word retard, want to bet?

  83. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    The financial disaster has been been with us for at least four years, and what action has Obama taken?
    =============
    Do you really want a list of Obama’s achievements? Or would it be enough that we were sliding into a GREAT DEPRESSION and instead of 78% unemployment, we now have 7.8% unemployment.

  84. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

    But Frank, it’s always just been a matter of good leadership. We need a good leader. We are helpless little lambs without our leaders. We’ve always had leaders. We don’t know what to do without leaders. They tell us what to do and show us the way. Leaders can do anything to us and we will smile and lick our lips like good golden retrievers. They can screw us up the behind til we bleed, but that’s okay, because they are leaders, and leaders must make us bleed, and if they can do that and get some pleasure from it, then we should accommodate that, because they are leaders and we are followers and they will make everything turn out right.

  85. budizwiser January 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    yeah – same ole same ole – but no clue about when where or how the collapse starts…….
    if i hadn’t become so accustomed to running water, electricity and central heating/cooling everything would be fine. well except for finding enough to eat……..
    “an unholy alliance between the central bankers around the globe and their central government counterparts threatens the standards of living for much of the western world”
    What are you going to do about it?

  86. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    the whole word is watching.
    ==========
    Word word word bird is the word

  87. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    Exxon may be the biggest corporation on Earth, but when push comes to shove, the US Military can easily take over the show.

    It’s not as though the two are mutually exclusive entities. The boundaries between these two “organizations” are obscured and ambiguous. One needs and uses the other in a symbiotic tango, of sorts. Afterall, the U.S. Military is one of the largest oil guzzling organizations in the world, using more oil/energy than many smaller countries. Exxon is necessary to maintain the semblance of legitimacy in this relationship and charade, as resources and profits are absconded from every orifice in the earth, regardless of perceived ownership.

  88. mow January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    the yellow race will rule the world

  89. ComradeDystopia January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    OK BustinJ, we’ll tax the sh*t out of everybody and that will ‘cool the planet’. Meanwhile, right now it is snowing like a bitch and 18 degrees outside my window.
    A video appeared this week of 4 beefy police officers kicking the sh*t out of some poor jmoke in a park in Bridgeport, CT. It seems the gloves are off. No longer should you expect kindness, understanding or tenderness from the apparatus of state power. And concentrated state power is what the Democratic Party is all about.

  90. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Our Ancestors conquered this continent – that’s what made America possible. Now you are ashamed of that. So what to do? Obviously you have to leave since you enjoying stolen property.
    England was made possible by the Saxon Conquest of the Romanized Celts.
    Japan was made possible by the conquest of the Ainus by waves of Mongolians invaders from the Asian mainland.
    What is your probem? There is no real question. This is life. Whites now feel guilty? Fine. But is anyone going to give us back the Lands taken from us by others? You are preaching a unilateral surrender. No other people is in this state of mind of multiculturalist surrender. And even if they were, what would they have to do? Go back to Asia? In the case of Japan, the Koreans and/or the Chinese wouldn’t welcome millions of Japanese now. And the Ainu are all but gone – as are the White of Central Asia, Asia Minor, and North Africa.

  91. ozone January 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    LOL!
    Pretty funny, RT. However, unlike ‘that other’ agent, you’re not a serial liar. (A liar-bility in your chosen profession). ;o)
    With a nod to KoftheDawg, ‘the other’ would be MANY cold-hearted [lying] bastards.

  92. ozone January 28, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    “Obama, along with all politicians and accountants and lawyers and academicians and economists and investment advisers and Shareholders and Upper Management and cops and soldiers and essentially anyone in any position of any authority are outright frauds perpetuating the Grand Caper.
    All of them speak with forked tongues and should never be trusted.” CW
    This is my basic outlook as well, and I actually think that it’s a healthy one, because it’s the first step in spurring the imagination beyond the totality of the dependence that’s been purposely built to enslave us all in a ‘human resources’, obey-or-die dystopia.
    Consumerism is nearly dead; the building of new box outlets notwithstanding. We’ll have to start doing (and thinking) more for ourselves, because the only destination our “leaders” are leading us to is a thinly disguised milking parlor.

  93. bproman January 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    I am so happy the internet has solved everything.
    copyright pending.

  94. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    Do you really want a list of Obama’s achievements?

    His greatest achievement of all is that he was able to get it up enough times to sire two children with Michelle. Have you seen those dresses? They look like they were made from bedspreads….California Kings. For someone like Radu, who doesn’t like to look at the face anyway, maybe that doesn’t seem like much, but for those of us who have a shred of taste, it’s an impressive feat. Here’s to ya, Mr. President. There goes a REAL MAN.

  95. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    I did it with APPL back a year ago during one of its blow off surges, and stupid me missed the last surge.
    =========
    Since you didn’t even get the stock symbol correct I’ll assume you also didn’t make a killing in Apple.

  96. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

    I want my egg foo young. Now. Chop Chop.

  97. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    Some days, the Circadian Rhythm of the CFN comments section manifests into a distinct and entertaining cacophony. Today’s manifestation sounds like this:
    Several Species of Small Furry Animals

  98. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Let me translate for those who haven’t been in the British Army like Collapse:
    Her’es to ya Fuzzy Wuzzy,
    Down in the Sudan.
    Yor a poor benighted heathen,
    But an A.1 fighting man.

  99. ozone January 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    JHK puts it plain, again:
    “What’s obvious to me is what I have been fearing about this country for some time now: that all the disorders of our time would prompt a campaign to defend the status quo at all costs and to sustain the unsustainable.”
    Now, for those of us well-acquainted with Kunstler (and others who clearly see the jagged shoals we’re heading toward) this may seem like more preaching to the choir. We should try to keep in mind that there are those newly-arrived visitors that need to see their concerns shared and entertainingly expressed in prose. I’m sure JHK is aware of the ever-growing audience for his trenchant ideas, and although it may be “same-old-same-old” to some of us, it’s fresh and affirmative for others.
    By [a portion of] the same token, each geographical area has its’ own predicaments, necessitating different responses. Blanket “solutions” and universal nostrums and diktats from National Gum’mint outlets ain’t gonna get the job done. (Are awakenings a linear or exponential factor? I’d find that a factor of interest as to a time-line of the development of NON-status quo ideas and their implementation.)

  100. KaraokeVox January 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    Walking around what our local has become reveals a bunch of staging. Our country and its traditions have been built upon a series of stone emblems, icons and idols that do not represent reality. The inaugeration is one of those theaterical performances that mimics the traditions of monarchy and theocracy by embuing the air with some kind of holiness and timelessness. What is happening right now is the world and all its resources are being used for the sole purpose of propping up artiface. What is real is being discarded or madeover into what the colective imagination wants. Babies do not live in hermetically sealed worlds and are exposed to germs their bodies must fight off. Children are not miniature adults that need mini versions of everything their parents have. Teenagers are able to work as well as drive and spend money on acne medications, music and trends in hair and makeup. Young adults do not have to prove they are babymaking machines and use their credit to produce an instant suburban lifestyle – its okay to still live with mom and dad. Middle and old age is not fun, is not a second childhood and is loaded with responsibilities appropriate to long life experience. The reality of grey hair is that it proves survival in a difficult, harsh and unforgiving world.

  101. third_martini_banter January 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

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  102. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    The President of Iceland to the Bankers: Why do we treat Banks like Holy Churches? Let them go bankrupt.
    Christ: The Sabbath was made for Man, not Man for the Sabbath.
    Lao Tzu: Close the Schools. The People will benefit a thousand fold.
    http://consciouslifenews.com/iceland-president-banks-bankrupt-consider-banks-holy-churches/1148249/
    Pretty good for a Law’n Order guy like me. One must distinguish between what is wrong according to Nature and Nature’s God, and what is merely wrong because somebody says so. A Legal System is good to the extent it conforms to the former.

  103. Jimmy Drinkwater January 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    I find when the comments reach somewhere around the 100 mark most of the entertainment has been had.

  104. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    The reality of grey hair is that it proves survival in a difficult, harsh and unforgiving world.

    Maybe that was once true…maybe it wasn’t. But it’s certainly not true nowadays, as a general rule. Many Blue Hairs these days are so thoroughly hollowed out, they are mere ghosts of their former selves…if any of them even had a fully-formed former self. This System gnaws away at the fabric of humanity we are born with from the day we exit our Mother’s wombs, both figuratively and quite literally. That fabric is like the telomere that protects the chromosomes in our DNA. It wears away at varying rates respective of each individual, but when it finally wears thin, disease sets in, and what makes us, us, degrades and demoralizes until we are unrecognizable…and ultimately, no more.

  105. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    That doesn’t follow at all. That’s like saying that when I make a spelling error, the point I’m making is also automatically wrong. You need to study basic logic again.

  106. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    The important thing is to sustain the production all week long and surpass 1000 comments. My DoD superiors like that. More pay for me.
    –3:33:33 Agent Asoka (dot dot)

  107. Smokyjoe January 28, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    JHK, except for the numbest skulls in the numbskull GOP and the techiest technocrats in the Democratic Party, they know.
    They know we are living an illusion. The money is electrons and the Shale “miracle” will go bust soon. They know, but there is no Plan B in our corporatist state.
    So we should just shut up and go shopping.

  108. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    So we should just shut up and go shopping.

    Petula Clark would agree. Let’s all go…
    Downtown
    Of course, Downtown is not what it used to be. About all you’re going to find there now is a mugging, or better yet, a rape and murder. Pretty soon, that’s all we’re going to find everywhere.

  109. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    Bravo! A Clean Break/Slate. Securing the Realm.
    But alas poor Buck and Dee. They defended thee and now they have beards on their egg.

  110. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    Yes tell them of the rampage of Negroes and Muslims in once faire England. Time has verified that Enoch Powell was a Prophet and should have been Prime Minister.

  111. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

    Don’t worry, Radu. Downtown will be recaptured with a Counter-Insurgency. Here’s an example. They’re practicing for it as we speak/type.
    This Is Only A Drill
    Show of Force comes to mind.

  112. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    Radu, I don’t know who the asoka: (colon) guy is who made such an extensive apology, but it weren’t me.
    3:33:33 Asoka.. (dot dot)
    In other words, someone is using my handle and apologizing for me. Right nice of him.

  113. ront January 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    “As you have said many times, real change has to come from the bottom (that’s us), but unfortunately there is denial there as well. What will it take?”
    Change will come from the bottom–maybe the bottom of our hearts. Lasting change from within–our thinking, our attitudes, our values. What will serve as an adequate motivation? Suffering that leads to hopelessness and helplessness and help us release that grasp on the ephemeral things of the world. Disentagling and disburdening ourselves of the addictions and illusions.

  114. ozone January 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    Hey, looks like a good time was had by All!
    Why was there no incident that the drill was being practiced specifically for? I thought that was the new way of implementing plausible deniability, no?
    Something about drills and actualities on 9-11-2001, NYC, FUSA and 7-7-2005, London, FUK. I can’t quite recall, but something “incidental” happened there…

  115. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    Bravo! A Clean Break/Slate. Securing the Realm.
    But alas poor Buck and Dee. They defended thee and now they have beards on their egg.
    ==========
    Vlad, you simply are not observant enough. The slate was cleaned by colon not dot dot.

  116. shastatodd January 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    “You can be sure that when a nation is led by the reality-deficient, unhappy outcomes are a sure thing. ”
    asoka keeps spewing his toll-like rosy meme… conveniently not mentioning the 85.5 billion a month the fed is pumping out to sustain the unsustainable

  117. natureboy January 28, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    Good stuff, TrE. I can almost conceive of operating at the personal level as you advocate, and thereby preserving my sanity. Whereas even thinking of trying to effect change at any political level — given the pervasive, even willful, ignorance out there –is enough to send me off muttering to myself.

  118. anti soak January 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    Does Asoka work for the DoW, Department of War? [aka DoD]?

  119. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    conveniently not mentioning the 85.5 billion a month the fed is pumping out to sustain the unsustainable
    ==============
    It’s just the opposite. Without Q2, Q3, etc. we would have crashed and burned. For what?
    Please tell me, in detail, how you are being hurt by 85.5 billion a month being pumped out. We have no inflation. On a seasonally adjusted basis, the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers was unchanged in December after decreasing 0.3 percent in November. We have no inflation. Nonfarm payroll employment rose by 155,000 in December, and the unemployment rate was unchanged at 7.8 percent. We have no inflation. Employment increased in health care, food services and drinking places, construction, and manufacturing. We have no inflation. We do not need wheelbarrows to carry money around. A loaf of bread does not cost $28. We have no inflation.
    Explain to me, how you are being hurt by 85.5 billion a month being pumped out, or stop your whining.

  120. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    CORRECTION :
    QE = QUANTITATIVE EASING
    Without QE, QE2, QE3, etc. we would have crashed and burned. For what?

  121. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    Sometimes I wish more people had OCD.

  122. troutbum2 January 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    “Our margin for avoiding unpleasantness has largely evaporated. We should all be prepared for social disruption, for shortages, for being forced to accept unpalatable changes and lack of choice in areas where, even today, we can choose how and when to change. Sustainable society will come, because the alternative is no society at all.”
    –From Azby Brown, “Just Enough”

  123. ozone January 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    “asoka keeps spewing his toll-like rosy meme… conveniently not mentioning the 85.5 billion a month the fed is pumping out to sustain the unsustainable.” -todd
    …And this would include paying serial liar, soacchio’s [far too generous] salary for dispensing status quo crapola in the service of a fast-collapsing empire (also based on a blatant web of deceit).
    [cue "Murka the Putrid-full"]

  124. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    You are a purposeful canard and foil, I’m convinced. Your comments are meant to elicit a contrarian response….the view that you want people to passionately adopt. We don’t need you to do that, though, asoka… Most of us are capable of arriving at own views without deceitful manipulation from you.
    Anyhow, you know full well the following is a falsehood:

    We have no inflation.

    http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/01/3407-real-rate-of-inflation/

    Can we believe any of the economic numbers that the government is feeding us these days? The way that the government calculates inflation has changed more than 20 times since 1978. The government is constantly looking for ways that it can make inflation appear to be even lower. If inflation was measured the same way that it was back in 1990, the inflation rate would be about 5 percent right now. If inflation was measured the same way that it was back in 1980, the inflation rate would be about 9 percent right now. But instead, we are expected to believe that the inflation rate is hovering around 2 percent. Well, anyone that goes to the supermarket or fills up their vehicle with gasoline knows that prices are going up a lot faster than that. Just about everything that we buy on a regular basis is steadily becoming more expensive, and so most Americans are not buying it when government officials tell us that there is barely any inflation right now.
    According to the American Institute for Economic Research, the real rate of inflation was about 8 percent last year.
    The federal government says that consumer prices rose moderately last year, but if you think the cost of everyday purchases increased more than that, then you’re probably right according to the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER). AIER’s Everyday Price Index (EPI) indicates most Americans saw their day-to-day costs increase by 8%.

    Price Hedonics is an insult to all those struggling on the margins.

  125. ozone January 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    …Soon enough, the Potemkin facade will begin peeling and we’ll find that things aren’t as “advertised” (propagandized), and then, the value of that “advertising” will become the very cheapest and most disrespected form of talk…
    Perception management can’t die soon enough.

  126. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    My god, Collapse Watch, you are right!
    I should have said: WE HAVE NO HYPERINFLATION, despite 70 years of fiat money and endless printing. Conservative economic theory has been predicting hyperinflation for decades. Has not happened.

  127. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    “fast-collapsing”
    “soon enough”
    “just around the corner”
    I’ve been reading you saying these kinds of nebulous lies for almost a decade now. You are a hopin’ and wishin’ but you got squat.
    You are busted.

  128. Eleuthero5 January 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    The computation of the inflation rate is a national disgrace that is done by the Federal Government for many self-serving reasons, one of the primary ones being that they get to gyp holders of TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities), and Savings Bonds Series I. It also provides philosophical cover for the Fed’s QEinfinity actions.
    The inflation computation has many issues, not just the “hedonic adjustments”. One is that NECESSARY expenditures are inflating wildly like health care and food. Have you checked milk prices lately? Fluff that is absolutely unnecessary for survival, notably all manner of tech gizmos and gadgets, ALWAYS deflate, especially with hedonic adjustments.
    The gist of Jim’s CFN missive this week is basically that we’re living in a totally Orwellian world of disinformation. Like the old Soviet Union, truth is “bartered” on the streets where actual people work actual jobs and they know that the “official” stats are bullshit. The “truth bartering” is often heated conversations about HOW MUCH the Federal reporting agencies are lying, not WHETHER they are lying.
    The net result of the various QEs is obvious WORLDWIDE: The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The “worldwide” aspect was part of a Yahoo Finance article last week.
    Finally, observe the absolutely bullshit about the “dwindling supply of houses” claimed to be the reason why pending home sales fell. There’s an ENORMOUS inventory of unsold houses which JHK rightly says would FILL THE STATE OF INDIANA if gathered up. Of course, the doe-eyed cretins that increasingly make up this country don’t have the mental horsepower to read the fine print in these statistics but one would hope the general headlines (like “home sales fall due to dwindling supply”) would arouse serious suspicion.
    Oh, I can’t depart before citing the Washington Post article that reported that inflation-adjusted wages fell almost 5% from June, 2009 to June, 2012 so even if one believed the bullshit “official” inflation rate from Washington … indeed, even if it was ZERO since 2009, households effectively have five percent less money to spend. Only the Asokas of the world can put a positive spin on what’s happening to the plight of the ordinary American.
    E.

  129. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    You are a worker insect sucking nectar thru its proboscis.

  130. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm #

    You’re right: it’s a whole new ballgame out there/in here. I must learn or sit on the bench. Like Boxer said before he was sent to the Knackers, “I will work harder”. The Communist/Capitalists love Boxers. And this is how they reward them. At least you used to get a gold watch or something.

  131. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    I apologize. )Can’t believe I’m apologizing to an insect(
    Now why don’t you apologize to Buck and Dee for leading their credulous selves on. I was fooled too though I never supported you. I want my nigga back. We all done been Catfished.

  132. ozone January 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    “Only the Asokas of the world can put a positive spin on what’s happening to the plight of the ordinary American.” -E.
    Oh, you mean the paid serial liars that would encourage us to all go back to sleep?

  133. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    Yes extraordinary. The “reporter” said they are “just” doing some training exercises in conjunction with the POLICE for training exercies overseas. So I guess the Police are going overseas? But hey you can film it and send the film in. Just be safe.
    You have to be a Conspiracy Nut to see anything wrong with this. Asoka.. is no worse than these talking heads. All of them are the shepherds leading the sheep to the slaugher. Frankly, I’ve never cared for that Christian metaphor too much for a number of reasons. The Lapps didn’t either: they told the Missionaries, the only time we ever herd reindeer is whey we intend to kill them.
    Alan Watts and Alex Jones are right in their concept of predictive promgramming. People see nothing wrong with this because they’ve already seen it on TV in countless shows about SWAT teams. Why shouldn’t the Military and Police become the same? They’ve seen it on TV!

  134. ront January 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    Maybe no hyper inflation yet, but we do have inflation. I stopped in at a specialty food store to see about getting a nice sweet treat to bring home. What I observed was 1 1/2 inch squares of baklava for $2.50 each. All I can say is: That’s nuts!

  135. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III January 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    Please give us an update.
    You are now a decorated veteran, is that right?
    Your former incarnation had a story about how you refused to fight in Nam and instead got something like latrine duty – well, something else anyway.
    You sound like someone with considerable issues.
    Compulsive lying for starters.
    And yet after being outed by K-dog you’re still poisoning the well here with your lies.
    You have no shame. But you should have at least some…
    Okay, white boy. Over and out.

  136. Soul Pucker January 28, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    What do you think the ass-kick’n decorated U.S. Army vet, universal love’n Buddhist monk’n, US$1 trillion platinum coin flip’n asoka will be reincarnated as in the next life?
    “The hills are alive,
    With the sound of BULLSHIT
    With BULLSHIT they have sung
    For a thousand years
    The hills fill my heart,
    With the sound of BULLSHIT
    My heart wants to sing
    Every BULLSHIT it hears.”

  137. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    The computation of the inflation rate is a national disgrace that is done by the Federal Government for many self-serving reasons, one of the primary ones being that they get to gyp holders of TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities), and Savings Bonds Series I. It also provides philosophical cover for the Fed’s QEinfinity actions.
    ============
    The biggy that you left out was the Social Security cola increase. Beginning with the first monthly check of Jan 2013 the nominal gross increase was 1.7%. The actual increase, after netting out the deduction for Medicare medical insurance is only 1.52%. These are MY figures which are typical although not everyone’s figures are identical.
    A year ago the nominal cola increase was 3.6%. The TWO prior years were zero %.
    The most giant theft of all is from people who somehow managed to save money over their lifetime. If that saved money was not productively invested it was being whittled away by inflation as surely as a ghetto mugging.

  138. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    Hi Cash/Rhino/Thaddeus.
    I am only what you all project upon me. If you want me to be white, then I’ll be white. If you want me to work for DoD, then I’ll work for DoD.
    What many of you don’t seem to get is that this is the anonymous internet. Arguing about who someone is, or what race someone is, or what occupation someone has, or what income, etc. is nuts. None of that can be proved by anyone here.
    The only thing this forum could do is discuss the issues. But one week I posted 40 times on EROEI and got no response.

  139. Nevrfgt January 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    I make low 6 figure income. My employment is rock solid. I have 2 in college and 1 in high school. We are not spending on much more than normal lower – middle class expenses. I’ve owned my house for 22 years, have no credit card debt anymore. I have the same mortgage amount that i’ve had for years. I have 2 car payments. What we used to pay for with expanding credit I have been using my IRA money. I’ve had to burn 50.000 last year to keep thing going (college, sports, etc…) I’m down to my last $8000.00. That will put me to about the end of april. At that point my family will have to cut approximately $1000.00 per WEEK out of our budget. My low 6 figure income is not going to cut it to say the least. So, here’s the point, things are REALLY going to get interesting when my family has to cut the $1000.00 per week out of our budget. Use you’re imagination. And I got it good…

  140. KT January 28, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

    The self-serving thing is to play the game until the game is no longer around to be played.
    I wish I had learned this a few years ago.

  141. Ixnei January 28, 2013 at 7:25 pm #

    JHK (JFK?) da man. We both (all) *know* they’ll never realize the consequences of their own actions – *EVAH*!!! They won’t even notice their own *FLEECING* by the fraudulent Banksters/accountants/CEO’s/CFO’s, etc ad *NAUSEUM* (can you say, “loan debt serf”?!?)…

  142. Piper Michael January 28, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

    Inauguration of Bitterness
    (A dirge)
    And there I sat all full of wonder,
    full of fear, all torn asunder,
    sweet words on the tongue, a bitter belly,
    as it does dance across the telly.
    and when that final sentence said,
    that he would protect, and would defend,
    and swore to God, I felt a dread,
    of all the people, upon my head.
    The tear did fall, and I did weep,
    standing in front of justice keep,
    to see this man, that would be king,
    and all the souls of perfidy sing.
    They know the words, to speak to hearts,
    singing, dancing, crowds of tarts,
    to speak the essence of liberty’s song,
    a hymn of government, an ignorant throng.
    The victims of, a land so large,
    as freedom mounts, the river barge,
    and he now takes us, to the brink,
    our liberty, he takes to sink.
    To be pushed into the night,
    as down the river, freedoms flight,
    and too many, just don’t kin,
    here and there, does hide the din.
    Yet in all the flowery tongue,
    the twenty kids, forever sung,
    the subtlety of the agenda,
    then the poet says in splendor.
    You are the haters, if you don’t love,
    everything we tell you bums,
    the elite, are the ones you know,
    ruffles and flourishes, just a show.
    The biggest lie, in our land of Nod,
    as he swears, the oath to God,
    the darkness swirls, around his head,
    and fills the righteous, with a dread.
    And in the pomp and circumstance,
    nothing to see, of substance has,
    bunnies jumping, in cacophonous glee,
    treading down, all of you and me.
    In this you see, how liberty dies,
    not with a bang, but with a sigh,
    in the dark black Caesars rise,
    a tyranny of the minority high.
    Evil now good, and good is bad,
    brother against son, a method sad,
    upside down, they’re in the gate,
    filling all with a tenuous hate.
    The god of money, became the all,
    the root of evil, of the fall,
    and as the pale green horseman mounts,
    our law now moot, and nothing counts.
    Your guns won’t stop, a tidal wave,
    the children’s future, it won’t save,
    the economic damage done,
    America’s future, already sung.
    We are divided, hearts and minds,
    a point of agreement, we can’t find,
    the illusion of money, is complete,
    the god we worship, is the teat.
    For when you kick Him out of here,
    you create the vacuum, like a tear,
    and in can only move one song,
    the sweetness comes, the demon throng.
    The love of money, is the sin,
    that blinds us all, to heavens kin,
    and as our pharisees do say,
    to unGodly authority, you will bay.
    In our division, we are turned,
    from men to sheep, as we are burned,
    preachers and politicos, scream and shout,
    as the sheep, only bay and pout.
    On the horizon, a storm is churning,
    in America, the money is burning,
    the sea and waves, a mighty roar,
    in Godless confusion, become a whore.
    The righteous laid, on liberty’s altar,
    and we did sleep, and we did falter,
    we fell asleep in freedoms home,
    and bowed down to the sweetest tomes,
    the bitterness of the whirlwind, sewn.

  143. Soul Pucker January 28, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

    So whatever happened after the naive, innocent Virgin in the Ruby Slippers from Kansas, Dorothy, liquidated the evil Wicked Witch? Did the stuipid, servile, flying monkey people live happily ever after, or was there actually a political party of wicked witches (a cabal) that merely replaced the Wicked Witch with an even more evil Wicked Witch?
    And after Dorothy stole the Wicked Witch’s “Broom” did the post-coup cabal of Witches then pass legislation forbidding anyone except themselves to own “Brooms”?
    Thanks.

  144. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Suffice it to say, we all felt this way when George W. Bush was inaugurated, so you’re not alone. Truthfully, this applies to the inauguration of any Puppet-In-Chief. It’s a timeless ode.

  145. ozone January 28, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    I don’t know, Pucker.
    But I will say this; sometimes the pondering of a well-turned/purposefully ambiguous question is more worthy of consideration than the answer.
    Yours seems one of that type.
    Half the answer? Yes… no “room-brooms” for youse; youses can’t be trusted to wield that power correctly!

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  147. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Nearly all girls love all boots but they don’t know methods makes them like these boots (Great confusion!).

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  148. ozone January 28, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Youch!
    That’s a slice of real-world ‘Murka that I don’t think any political hack would welcome having to address.
    (Remember Bush telling the lady who HAD to work 3 jobs that it was a wonderful, ‘Murkin thing that she had the “opportunity” to have those 3 slave-wage jobs? Baby Jeebus wept; I just hung my head in shame.)
    Best of luck with your private austerity plan. I hope you find a way to muddle through without too much pain. (Always remember, life without cable teevee is more than bearable; that can go without a second thought. [So far] an internet connection can provide all the news you can handle. That MAY be a decent chunk right there, I dunno.)

  149. Soul Pucker January 28, 2013 at 8:34 pm #

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    The Americans have never struck me as being terribly sensible to begin with.

  150. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    Thanks, I liked that.

  151. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

    They really weren’t. Quite the contrary. They were awful.
    http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/childhoodHolocaust.html

    Before I describe the actual psychodynamics of the Holocaust, let me give you a brief tour of what kind of childrearing your ancestors were subject to at the turn of the 20th century. What conditions of childhood were routine in Central European families during this period that led to raising children who were time bombs set to go off in the Holocaust and World War II?
    First of all, parents openly expressed their resentment against girls when they were born, and uniformly neglected them. When a girl was born, fathers were often reported to “fling it on to the bed by the mother so violently that he might have broken its spine.” 20 The result was that newborn girls were far more often killed than boys in central European areas, which resulted in some of the highest boy/girl sex ratios in Europe, with mothers without guilt “giving birth to their babies in the privy and treating the birth as an evacuation…Some of the women killed their children in a very crude way, by smashing their heads.” 21 Thus children growing up would usually witness either their mothers strangling about forty percent of their new siblings or at least would see dead babies everywhere in latrines and streams, giving real content to their feeling that they too had better not be “bad” or their Killer Parent might kill them too. An alternative for wealthier families (who actually killed more of their girls than poorer families) was to send them to “killing wetnurses” called Engelmacherin, “angelmakers,” who were paid to kill off the children sent to them.22
    Breast-feeding of infants was so infrequent that infant mortality rates in Germany ranged from 21 percent in Prussia to an astonishing 58 percent in Bavaria during the 19th century, the higher figures in the south being due to the routine practice of not breast-feeding at all, since hand-fed babies only fed flour and water “pap” died at a rate three times that of breast-fed babies.23 Thus German and Austrian infant mortality half again higher than France and England, with Vienna having one of the highest infant abandonment rates in Europe, ­half of their newborn babies being abandoned by their mothers at the end of the 19th century.24 Visitors to German homes from abroad reported, “It is extremely rare for a German lady to nourish her own child.” 25 Breastfeeding was less practiced the further south one went. One mother, who had moved from northern Germany where nursing was more common, was called “swinish and filthy” by local Bavarian women for trying to nurse her newborn, and her husband threatened “he would not eat if she did not give up her disgusting habit.” 26 Ende reports that “one rarely encounters a German infant who is fully breast-fed. Everywhere they got their mouths stuffed with Zulp, a small linen bag filed with bread and often alcohol,27the mothers saying they “didn’t want to ruin their figures” and breast-feeding was “too messy.” 28 Outsiders often noted that Central European mothers “paid less attention to their children than cows.” 29

  152. Soul Pucker January 28, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

    Joe Paterno….
    “The Boy Scouts of America is considering an end to its longstanding policy of banning gay Scouts and Scout leaders, the organization said on Monday.”

  153. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    Perhaps it was in the introduction to ‘The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich’. I can’t remember exactly where it’s been so many years. A chilling moment.
    The author, quoting someone else made the comparison that prior to Hitlers rise to power the nation in Europe which most resembled Americans in character were the Germans.

  154. piltdownman January 28, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Thank you for for your thoughtful, overwrought reply. Glad to know that you speak for “most here.” I’m sure the others will appreciate it, too.

  155. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    Your denial of reality is complete. The BLS statistics are reliable but you reject them because they don’t fit your preconceptions. You would rather go on anecdotal “sure seems bad out there” non-evidence.
    Real gross domestic product increased at an annual rate of 3.1 percent in the third quarter of 2012 (that is, from the second quarter to the third quarter), according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real GDP increased 1.3 percent.
    +1.3% second quarter 2012 increase
    +3.1% third quarter 2012 increase
    How in the world can anyone look at the real data and conclude the economy is getting worse? (unless they don’t know the difference between decrease and increase.)

  156. stelmosfire January 28, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    Holy Shit Alfred!!!, Only Monday and the sh## is already flying! Tell Robin to pull the Batmobile around front. We have to send up the Bat Signal and alert Commissioner Gordon, We are in some deep shit. What are we gonna do? The “Joker” has got us by the short hairs. Bang, Pow, Boom, AHHHH!!!

  157. stelmosfire January 28, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    I worked with the “Penguin” at the KGB, He was one of the best counter espionage agents that we had. Perhaps you worked against him Asoka.. ????






  158. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

    Remember when the US Dollar was weak and the USA nay-sayers were predicting collapse? Canadians were happy because the Loonie was outperforming the dollar.
    Hmmm… is the USA economy in such terrible shape? Then why is the dollar strenthening? The Canadian dollar was lower Friday at 99.10 U.S. cents.
    According to US Commerce Department figures, orders for goods meant to last for three years or more soared in the month of December by 4.6% – gaining for the fourth straight month.
    GAINING for the fourth straight month.
    4.6% GAIN
    How in the world can anyone look at the real data and conclude the economy is getting worse? (unless they don’t know the difference between GAIN and LOSS.)

  159. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    James Howard Kunstler, I never thought I’d find myself saying this – but I believe you are a screaming optimist. At least, there’s nothing but optimism to be found in this bit of prose of yours:
    “Apparently, there are moments in history when nations just get lost. I maintain that things would go a whole lot better for us if we acknowledge what is actually going on, namely: a major shift of direction into economic contraction…”
    -jhk-
    I don’t think we’re really a nation anymore, JHK.
    We’re a geographic location, once known as a nation, but now occupied by competing racial, social, and economic groups.
    And the Syncophantic Senators on the (strangely well named) Gang of Eight – KNOW that bringing more people and more polarizing ethnic groups into this morass is a politically expedient thing to do.
    join! https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/january-28-2013/gang-eight-senators-announce-amnesty-guest-worker-plan.html
    At least we can say we fought until we could fight no more.

  160. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

    January 24, 2013 — We are seeing great strength in the United States Dollar this morning. Currently the USDJPY and the USDCAD are very bullish and Thursday’s unemployment release could add a lot of strength to the U.S. Dollar. You can read a full report of the claims here. Thursday’s unemployment figure was the lowest since the beginning of 2008.
    LOWEST unemployment since 2008 (when Bush dumped a ruined economy, losing 700,000 jobs a month, on Obama)
    How in the world can anyone look at the real data and conclude the economy is getting worse? (unless they don’t know the difference between LOW and HIGH.)

  161. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 9:46 pm #

    “(college, sports, etc…)”
    I feel you pain, man, but if you’re down to just one kid in high school – then sports should be costing you nearly zero.
    And as far as college costs go, I have two words:
    State Schools
    or
    Technical Colleges
    ================
    OK, that’s five words.

  162. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

    Several hundred thousand people of many Nationalities died at Auschwitz of typhus when their weakened immune systems couldn’t hold out. The weakness was due to starvation due to shortages caused by Allied bombing. Germans were starving too. The real gas chambers were small closets used to delouse clothes.
    In any case, Red Cross observers never saw any gas chamber Spielberg showers or smoke stacks. Some facades were built after the war as tourist traps though. No mention of anything like this in the thousands of pages of DeGaulle, Churchill, or Eisenhower. Now let us reason together: Auschwitz was a huge industrial center/city. Why would the Germans kill the workers their war effort needed?
    Preliminary PHYSICAL (not he said, she said) investigation of the “chambers” showed them inadequate for their alleged purpose – not being airtight. Old aerial photos don’t show these building being there at all. Finally, preliminary CHEMICAL invesigation of the wall show no evidence of any zyklon gas ever being deployed there. Also believe it or not, burning a body takes alot of time and energy and leaves lots of ashes. No such mountains of ash has ever been seen. Also the calculations of the time it would have taken to incinerate so many people don’t add up: it would have taken many, many years with the alleged facilities available. And again, where are the ashes?
    Terrified, the high priests and merchants of this Industry shut down any and all future PHYSICAL and SCIENTIFIC investigation. He said, She said is the only way to keep the flow going you see. And of course slandering, assaulting, and imprisoning those who disagree. This has been so effective in Europe that they want to bring it here too. And expand it to Global Warming as well.

  163. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    I don’t think we’re really a nation anymore, JHK.
    We’re a geographic location, once known as a nation, but now occupied by competing racial, social, and economic groups.

    ———–
    Gee, the evidence of the elections of 2008 and 2012 kind of prove that claim to be a crock of shit, P4C. You paint a fractured, disunited picture that is not real. The groups (women, gays, gun owners, evangelical Christians, moderate Republicans, bikers, Latinos, youth, farmworkers, etc.) all got together to vote a candidate into office. They are not “competing” … they are cooperating to move the NATION forward.
    They will continue to move the NATION forward and they will do it without you, since your monomaniacal focus is only on eliminating LEGAL immigration (you are so extreme you don’t even agree with NumbersUSA’s pro-immigrant approach), as if immigrants are a problem instead of a solution.
    You seem to feel you have lost your NATION… you even deny its existence. Sorry about that, but it’s never going back to the way you want it. Only Forward! Multi-Racial, Multi-Cultural, with UNDOCUMENTED AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

  164. Piper Michael January 28, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    Hmmm, intellectual sideways compliment or sarcasm? Hard to tell without emoticons.
    I’ll take it as a compliment because I felt about GWB the way you do, I hate ‘em all, but this fookin HNIC in the WH is not incompetent, he’s dangerous…
    You will not convince me that anybody with a HARvard degree, is incompetent, they all have an agenda they would rather you and I, the checkers players, purport to incompetence. While they play chess…
    But I totally agree that every president since God knows when, has been a puppet of the IBanksters.
    The only difference now, instead of a puppet we have a fool.

  165. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    “You are a purposeful canard and foil, I’m convinced. Your comments are meant to elicit a contrarian response….the view that you want people to passionately adopt.”
    -collapse watch, to The Resident Impediment-
    That’s certainly the effect The Soaker Hose has had on me, anyway, CW.
    amazing.
    Maybe K-dog is really right. Only a paid government stooge could have such a pernicious reverse effect on dialog and thought processes – among the denizens of CFN.
    amazing.

  166. Piper Michael January 28, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    You’re welcome K-Dog.
    Nice to have a straight forward compliment.
    JHK, I think, is too optimistic.

  167. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    The only difference now, instead of a puppet we have a fool.
    ==========
    LOL! The joke’s on you. But you keep thinking that way and the “fools” will continue to be elected.
    Think you could do a better job? Try running and see how “easy” it is to “fool” the American people.
    I dare you.
    Otherwise, stop your whining.

  168. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

    And every one every one every one every one EVERY ONE of those 12, 20, or 30 million amnestied will be put ahead of White Americans for jobs, schools, benefits etc.
    The Republican Traitors are kidding themselves. They will never see National Office again for the most part. They will collapse in a decade or two if this passes.
    Good article about some of the things I’ve been saying. Gang membership now at 1.4 million – up 40% since 2009. Hispanics are by far the strongest, ethncially cleasning Blacks in California and spreading throughout America, even to small towns, rural areas, and Indian reservations.

  169. The Resident Impediment January 28, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Gee, the evidence of the elections of 2008 and 2012 kind of prove that claim to be a crock of shit, P4C. You paint a fractured, disunited picture that is not real. The groups (women, gays, gun owners, evangelical Christians, moderate Republicans, bikers, Latinos, youth, farmworkers, etc.) all got together to vote a candidate into office. They are not “competing” … they are cooperating to move the NATION forward.
    They will continue to move the NATION forward and they will do it without you, since your monomaniacal focus is only on eliminating LEGAL immigration (you are so extreme you don’t even agree with NumbersUSA’s pro-immigrant approach), as if immigrants are a problem instead of a solution.
    You seem to feel you have lost your NATION… you even deny its existence. Sorry about that, but it’s never going back to the way you want it. Only Forward! Multi-Racial, Multi-Cultural, with UNDOCUMENTED AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
    LOL! The joke’s on you. But you keep thinking that way and the “fools” will continue to be elected.
    Think you could do a better job? Try running and see how “easy” it is to “fool” the American people.
    I dare you.
    Otherwise, stop your whining.
    Why is CFN useless?
    The Resident Impediment

  170. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

    Freud knew about the widespread sexual abuse of servant girls and daughters but he back down about it: the upper class didn’t like it and psychoanalysis would never have caught on if he went ahead with it. So he backed down and said it was all female hysteria and “just” dreams.
    And the Jews have always had alot of this anyway so he may not have thought it was that bad. One of his clients wanted a 14 year old girl. Freud met with the girl and tried to get her to go along with it. Now we have middle aged women who think they are going to get married and have kids after 40. Things change but progress is often small even when not illusory.

  171. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

    Only a paid government stooge could have such a pernicious reverse effect on dialog and thought processes – among the denizens of CFN.
    —————
    No, you have it all wrong.
    Government employees (American citizens) are fools.
    CFN denizens are in the know. They have seen behind the curtain and are not easily manipulated, much less by a fool like me.
    And yet week after week the CFN denizens subvert this space by focusing so much traffic on Asoka, even after I’ve begged you all to ignore Asoka, to live and let live, to respect freedom of movement, both physical and intellectual. But no, each week you go ad hominem.
    As you say, P4C, it’s amazing. The way y’all paint me as RI, I feel more powerful than Rush… I could do this with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair.

  172. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm #

    I agree with most of your post. Thanks.
    I do disagree that CFN is useless. It has a use. It provides a weekly forum to accuse Asoka of all kinds of things, even though Asoka himself has many times said to scroll past, do not read and do not respond to his posts. Asoka must be given free reign.

  173. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 10:26 pm #

    “The Republican Traitors are kidding themselves. They will never see National Office again for the most part. They will collapse in a decade or two if this passes.” -rv-
    I’m not sure it will take that long, RV.
    =================
    “Good article about some of the things I’ve been saying. Gang membership now at 1.4 million – up 40% since 2009. Hispanics are by far the strongest, ethncially cleasning Blacks in California…”
    -rv, who didn’t post a link to the article-
    Wage Laborer always said that elites “hire one half of the underclass to oppress and kill the other half.” (paraphrased)
    But here in the US, we have a new improved system, whereby we IMPORT a new underclass to oppress and kill the old underclass.
    Is this a great country or what?

  174. Jill January 28, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    Yeah, Obama’s speech was nothing but platitudes. What planet do you live on? Inclusion of all religions & gay people, acknowledgement of global warming & the importance of addressing it– what kind of platitudes are these? Obama broke lots of new ground in in his inaugural speech. Give the man some credit.
    However, I do agree that “We have to let go of WalMart and globalism and driving cars incessantly and attempting to manage the affairs of people half a world a way… and we just can’t imagine engaging with this endeavor.” I don’t know if that is “true poverty of imagination” as you call it.
    I think it’s mostly fear. And if you go on scaring people, then you will contribute to the problem. It would actually not be so scary at all to focus on friends & family & the simple pleasures of life, rather than on “WalMart and globalism and driving cars incessantly and attempting to manage the affairs of people half a world a way.” It might actually improve our quality of life. At least half of the stuff that folks in the U.S. do now is done to satisfy needs that we don’t have. We don’t need to consume incessantly & to fight multiple wars with countries that are no threat to us. We do need to have fun & a sense of meaning in our lives, & a sense of community. If more of us met those needs, it would be very hard for advertisers to sell us stuff we don’t need.
    Bernanke is as scared as anyone of losing our old way of life, and that is why he is pumping money so hard into the banks & the economy. It may actually work for a few years before it all falls apart, due to all the banking fraud & problems. But whether rich or poor, educated or simple, we all need to calm down. That’s how people face problems & figure out all their options. WE humans don’t think clearly when we are overwhelmed by fear.

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  176. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    “Inclusion of all religions & gay people”
    -jill-
    Again, Jill, we of the someday Former US of A are likely to find that some of your “all” religions are going to prove problematic to the concept of “nation,” as our future arrives.
    Reference eleventh, September, for example.
    —————————-
    And as far as “gay people” in the Inaugural Address.
    I’ve got nothing against gay people, gay rights, gay marriage, and gay gayness.
    I’ve got gay friends, gay family, and gay gays.
    But gays make up 1.7 percent of the population.
    The fact that Obama features them so prominently in the Premier Speech of his Next Four Years – only shows how far he will go to assuage the various grievance groups that propel his presidency.
    “The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). The institute also found that bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian.”
    http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm
    How is is that less than 4 million gay men and women command so much attention and fear from our political pander bears?

  177. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    My mistake – 4.5 million – maybe that’s why they are so important to the future of the United States and of life on earth.

  178. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    Well said Jill. You talked about fun, meaning and community as being the truly important things in life.
    and you say,

    WE humans don’t think clearly when we are overwhelmed by fear.

    That’s the truth and the challenge we face.

  179. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    But whether rich or poor, educated or simple, we all need to calm down. That’s how people face problems & figure out all their options. WE humans don’t think clearly when we are overwhelmed by fear.
    ===========
    Beautifully expressed, Jill.
    I would add one more thing to the mix: MEDITATION. The clarity resulting from meditation, from centering and getting disidentified from the fluctuations of the mind, so you can easily watch them without slack or strain, is a prerequisite to achieving a peaceful world. Humanity as it is lacks a shared outlook, identity or love to create a new world. As you say, we are overwhelmed by fear. Love is the opposite of fear.
    Only if humanity can crystallize the “witnessing consciousness” and achieve centered-seeing as the new dominant faculty, replacing imagination, mythopoeic thought, or reason, will humans be able to awaken, to see alike, agree on what the world situation is, and decide on effective action.
    I am not being anti-intellectual. We need our reasoning faculty. We need critical thinking, quantitative analyzing, problem solving, etc. Science is valuable.
    But we need something more to resolve the problems facing us in the 21st century – something beyond the ordinary analytical and divisive mind. We need intelligence that is the by-product of clear seeing. We need intelligence infused with love.

  180. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    nested blockquote tag is accidental

  181. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

    WE HAVE NO HYPERINFLATION, despite 70 years of fiat money and endless printing.
    ============
    If endless printing of money is no pro-blay-mo I guess our government should be unconcerned with counterfeiting?

  182. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    “So when Mr. Romney made his infamous “47 percent” remarks, he wasn’t, in his own mind, saying anything outrageous or even controversial. He was just repeating a view that has become increasingly dominant inside the right-wing bubble, namely that a large and ever-growing proportion of Americans won’t take responsibility for their own lives and are mooching off the hard-working wealthy. Rising unemployment claims demonstrate laziness, not lack of jobs; rising disability claims represent malingering, not the real health problems of an aging work force.
    And given that worldview, Republicans see it as entirely appropriate to cut taxes on the rich while making everyone else pay more.
    Now, national politicians learned last year that this kind of talk plays badly with the public, so they’re trying to obscure their positions. Paul Ryan, for example, has lately made a transparently dishonest attempt to claim that when he spoke about “takers” living off the efforts of the “makers” — at one point he assigned 60 percent of Americans to the taker category — he wasn’t talking about people receiving Social Security and Medicare. (He was.)
    But in deep red states like Louisiana or Kansas, Republicans are much freer to act on their beliefs — which means moving strongly to comfort the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted.
    Which brings me back to Mr. Jindal, who declared in his speech that “we are a populist party.” No, you aren’t. You’re a party that holds a large proportion of Americans in contempt. And the public may have figured that out.” –Paul Krugman

  183. progress4conserving January 28, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

    “70 years of fiat money”
    Yeah. And I can clearly remember when gas was 33 cents a gallon and chicken was 29 cents a pound – and I’m nothing like 70 years old.
    No inflation here, folks, move along.

  184. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

    How brainwashed are you? A pop quiz.
    Quick! Who is hurting the country more?
    A) Barbra Streisand and gangsta rappers
    B) Government officials waging wars (Reference eleventh September) and bankrupting the country.

  185. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

    I would add one more thing to the mix: MEDITATION.
    =============
    Yes, Jill, do as Asoka says. Learn (if you do not already know how) to sit in complete equanimity in the lotus position, legs crossed, backs of hands resting on knees, thumbs making little circles with the middle fingers (or index fingers, your choice) while you clear your mind (like Osho) of everything except the Rolls Royce fleet, the web site advertising and hit count and that million dollar watch you are dying to slip on your wrist.

  186. MonkeyMuffins January 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    Equating Lenin with Hitler is as absurd as it is obscene.
    “The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. … It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. … The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. … Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. … Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#Lenin_on_antisemitism
    As is so often the case, when JHK strays from the depths of his helpful mastery of things Peak and Architectural he most often flounders in the shallows of counterproductive ignorance.
    Lenin, like Marx (and Jesus for that matter) had much to offer those capable of receiving Wisdom. But (as is the case with Marx and Jesus and so many others) his enlightened message/philosophy/politics was/were twisted and abused by others in the service of power, greed, corruption and control.
    I suspect JHK’s anti-Lenin-stance stems from his puerile (mis)understanding of “capital-ism” as a wholly benign (almost magical) force simply akin to the laws of physics.
    Lenin was mature and enlightened enough to understand capitalism for what it is: a crime against nature and humanity.

  187. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    I was referring to HYPERINFLATION and you know it P4C. We have not had any hyperinflation as a result of endless printing of money.
    Yeah, gas at 33 cents a gallon in the mid-60s. I was working in the mid-60s making $1.25 an hour.
    Guess what? Gas has gone up and so have wages.
    1960-1969: Average Salary $4,743
    2011: Average Salary $42,979.61
    NO HYPERINFLATION. Just normal inflation.
    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  188. xhalor January 28, 2013 at 11:29 pm #

    “I think it’s mostly fear. And if you go on scaring people, then you will contribute to the problem. It would actually not be so scary at all to focus on friends & family & the simple pleasures of life, rather than on “WalMart and globalism and driving cars incessantly and attempting to manage the affairs of people half a world a way.”
    ————————————————-
    You’re right. And it’s not like I didn’t know this or hear it before. Somehow, you managed to get through to me. I’ve been guilty of presenting the worst case scenario in the worst possible terms for so long now, I do it almost reflexively. Especially when exposed to TeeVee stimulus.
    What do people do when they’re scared? They run home to mama.
    I always get like this when I’m listening to my Burt Bacharach records. I blame Collapse Watch for posting that Nancy Sinatra video.
    And P4C, we are living in giant test tube now. No way out. Optimism is all we have left.

  189. lsjogren January 28, 2013 at 11:29 pm #

    Monkeymuffins:
    I know little about Lenin but after your juvenile defense of him I feel more confident he was at best a buffoon.

  190. lsjogren January 28, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    By the way, lefties, don’t be shocked that Kunstler tends to lean toward economic philosophy that permits the individual to work to support him or herself.
    Government control of the economic lives of the people is clearly not a form of social organization that Kunstler believes will be nor should be the future.

  191. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    What kind of car did Einstein drive? It doesn’t make any difference. It doesn’t discredit Einstein’s work or Osho’s work if they drove a Chevy or a Rolls Royce. You’re doing ad hominem again … instead of meditating.
    Address the substance. Osho described over 100 methods of meditation. Address those methods instead of the messenger with the Rolex.
    Vigyan Bhairav Tantra : 112 techniques of Meditation
    http://www.meditationiseasy.com/mCorner/techniques/Vigyan_bhairav_tantra.htm
    Thanks for the opportunity to give Osho so much publicity, Kyoo!

  192. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 11:37 pm #

    What do you think of the Pied Piper? Someone took those children – some think he was an alien.
    St Vitus Dance seems to have been a form of religious mania – spread by a touch.

  193. Radu Voda January 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    Oh thanks for mentioning it. I meant to:
    http://www.infowars.com/social-decay-illegal-immigration-poverty-open-war-on-the-streets-of-america/

  194. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

    Lenin was mature and enlightened enough to understand capitalism for what it is: a crime against nature and humanity.
    ===========
    Amazing, Muff, how someone (such as yourself) can go through life with a belief system 180 degrees ass-backwards.
    If you don’t get too hung up on technical definitions you’ll find that capitalism is essentially the basis and driving force of every living creature from an amoeba to humankind and by its nature cannot be otherwise. Every act of every creature is for its own benefit, even when it is for the benefit of others. Selfless socialism is an illusion.

  195. Mike Moskos January 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    Put this one in your pipe and smoke it:
    It will cost $3 Trillion a year to provide Social Security & Medicare for the baby boomers. They’re retiring at the rate of 10,000 a day, sure to live long lives spent visiting doctors’ offices.
    And yet, with the debt ceiling looming (again) and zero cash saved for the ‘boomers’ retirement, CONgress living in some Disney-esque fantasy world, just passed a pork laden spending bill designed to provide Hurricane Sandy “relief”, which apparently devastated most states in the union.

  196. xhalor January 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    I just want to see him on the cover of the Rolling Stone.
    Gonna buy five copies for my mother.

  197. Ixnei January 29, 2013 at 12:00 am #

    Loan debt serf? Anyone?!? Don’t make me hop account names (linux vs winZZZ) for a *position*…
    Ah, no sweat, the *CLEANUP KREW* will get this one, as *WELL*.

  198. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    I watched the movie “Django” last night. I vowed not to spend money to see it, so I borrowed a counterfeit copy.
    I don’t really know what to make of it? It’s obviously a propaganda film to the extent that it makes no attempt to be historically accurate, and it is obviously designed to appeal to people’s emotions rather than reason. Hence, it’s basically propaganda.
    The do recall that the film opens with the subtitle “1858 Two Years Before the Civil War.” I recall that the Civil War begain in 1861. I don’t know what statement Tarantino is trying to make here? Maybe he’s saying that he’s rewriting history?
    The name of the movie “Django” is odd. I believe that the word “Jango” means the violent act of someone sodomizing a woman by ramming his p,,e n,is into the girl’s throat so as to make her gag. Strange movie….

  199. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    Is this the same Alex Jones that tried to implicate NYC firemen for being involved in the destruction of WTC Bldg. 7? The same Alex Jones that professes love for animals while running a commercial for reserve hunting on his webcast?
    I know the guy is running a “media outlet” to support his family, but, c’mon…using him to enhance your credibility?
    I expect better from you, Vlad.

  200. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    Last week as regular readers know I investigated the Kunstler Status Log and found that The Department of Defense has been up our ass bigtime and still is. Measures have been taken to disguise and remove telltale ownership information from agent logins.
    I learned how to do this myself today and while regular readers know I live in or near Bellevue Washington if you go to the Kunstler Status Log now you won’t find my normal timestamp.
    It will appear that I am coming from somewhere else.
    Rochester New York United States in my last test, before that Kalispell Montana. It changes all the time.
    You can do it too: Just follow this link and watch the video. It’s easy.
    My score was a one time thing.
    Things fall through the cracks. Bad decisions lead to Space Shuttels Exploding, good job brownie’s (FEMA) and security leaks.

  201. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    “The name of the movie “Django” is odd. I believe that the word “Jango” means the violent act of someone sodomizing a woman by ramming his p,,e n,is into the girl’s throat so as to make her gag.”
    ————————————————–
    Jeezuz. I would like to think that I’ve been around but I’ve never heard that one. So vulgar.
    What about this Django? One of the greatest EVER…






  202. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    Tarantino would have known the urban dictionary meaning of the word “Jango”.
    I guess that “Django” is Tarantino’s way of saying: “O.K…You want me to make a propaganda film. I’ll make you a propaganda film.”

  203. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 12:31 am #

    The other odd thing about “Django” is that the same actor who played the N..a,,zi J,e /w Hunter in the movie “Inglorious Bastards” (also a Tarantino film) also played the “Bounty Hunter” (or Wh.,,i,te People Hunter) in “Django”. Strange…

  204. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Address the substance. Osho described over 100 methods of meditation. Address those methods instead of the messenger with the Rolex.
    ==========
    Oh, how remiss of me. I almost forgot to mention, Jill, the importance of learning all the lingo related to these meditation practices. It’s not worth a damn if you can’t use all the tongue-twisting Hindi words that Asoka, Radu, Anti Soak and others use to impress us (words like Vigyan and Bhairav and Tantra) as you mix with friends at cocktail parties. In fact, I would recommend an immersion course in Hindi before even getting into meditation.

  205. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Are you sure that you’re not looking at the last switch where the IP packets came from? I haven’t looked at stats for this site and I really don’t want to get involved. I can’t work in any data processing jobs any more so…..
    Fuck It

  206. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 1:18 am #

    Yes, exactly right.
    The problem was that on their end they distributed packets between different computers but all the computers they scattered packets among were owned by them. Consequently the ownership field did not change with location because it was always the same.
    The:
    Department of Defense Network
    They thought their network was super secure because they owned all the hardware they used which would have been true but some bozo did not think to remember all the computers were owned by them.
    What can you say.

  207. Lucky 13 January 29, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    Is Asoka a paid impediment?
    What do you think?

  208. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 2:03 am #

    O Rings. Damn, that took a second to click in. Yer fuckin’ with me. DoD systems are always on the lookout for “Wolf Pack” attacks. After all is said and done, password security works very well. My concern is that chipsets are now fabricated in other countries and they have the microcode. Let’s hope our programmers are staying on top of that.
    But I’ll tell ya what’s really troubling me these days. Tempo. It’s slowed to a glacial crawl in most popular music. Oh, I know that there are lots of fast guitar players out there. But listen to the tempo of the song. I always go by the electric bass player and drummer. What if you don’t have either?
    Django had a rhythm guitar player. Listen to him. The tempo is blistering!






    Damn Europeans! Oh, and that GYPSY guy.
    So in America, we had some vocalists who accepted the challenge. Did I say vocalists? These are human synthesizers. Dig the tenor ukelele. By the way, if you are an American, this is your culture.






  209. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 2:23 am #

    All right, all right!
    Goddamn Hillbillies INSISTED on being heard too.
    So here is an exquisite collection with their rendition. Ozone, you once asked me about the mandolin. David Grisman is the first soloist. It doesn’t get any better. And let’s be clear about one thing. Chet Atkins is a show off. What I like about this clip the most is that the editor understood that there is simply no need for a bass solo.






  210. Radu Voda January 29, 2013 at 2:31 am #

    It’s no good X, the game’s over. No serious person believes the Mainstream Media anymore except bitter liberal clingers. Alex Jones has done more to awaken America than probably any other person. Alot of serious people go on his show like Ron Paul, Celente, Lew Rockwell, Paul Craig Roberts I believe, etc.
    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  211. nameta9 January 29, 2013 at 3:00 am #

    PUNISHMENT MODE
    As Man is defined by his problems, his problems define him, Man needs problems always to simply exist and “think” (or does he create problems in order to think or does thought create problems so as to create a contents for itself ? and so forth): the Man Brain is a problem searching machine, or a problem creating machine, problems define the Man Brain, problems will never be solved because the essence of Man Brains is to exist within a sea of problems and so forth. So no problems can be solved. But then again any set of bits in the mind can be defined as problems or solutions or anything else, even the definition and delimitation of problems compared to solutions, what is considered a problem or solution or an environment or anything else is arbitrary, your problem is my solution, or the problem – solution set can be anything at all and imply any number of intermediate steps to transit from problem to solution, from starting point to target achieved and so forth, and they can be all mixed up, all out upside down, all confused and anything goes and so forth.
    But the economic growth myth is often always based on small percentages, 3 percent growth etc. the percents are so small that it is really hard to find connections between causes and effects (and very small things can make it grow or contract by small percentages, small events can have big effects, we’re always around the zero line, plus or minus 3 percent economic growth and such, anything can move the numbers in any direction), between problems and solutions and what effects what, what can produce growth as opposed to what could block growth and so forth: and since the cause and effects of economic growth are intractable, arbitrary, hard to define, not scientific (mostly political ?), non linear, as the machine of economy is so contorted, with so many random will powers acting at the same time, so many contrasting forces, going everywhere and nowhere, anyone can invent any cause and effect and brainwash people that if they activate a certain cause than the economy will grow, jobs will come back and so forth, the eternal promises of better times if you do as I say: like in the EU, fire government workers, increase the retirement age and the economy will do good again, and everyone buys into this cause and effect, (since it can never be challenged or even figured out as all is essentially intractable) and the statistics can show that it is so (as statistics can be fabricated to demonstrate anything you want if your are shrewd enough, just like lawyers can demonstrate anything and so forth), but especially since the causes are implying the effects, than a society can brainwash itself that that cause will generate that effect and actually make it come true, as the distinction between what is an objective – scientific cause from what is a psychological, culture wide forced causes is intractable and so forth: the command language forcing a cause and effect model to become true by everyone believing in it and buying into it and making it really become true as the economy is a self observing system, a self referential system acutally programming itself on the go, looking at itself, talking to itself and programming itself to be in a certain way or another way. A feedback loop where the description of how it works becomes how it works and the causes and effects become so since they were assigned as such without anyone noticing that the economic machine is being programmed if all the economists decide that the causes and effects should be such and such and a sociery brainwashes itself to believe this and programs all of its people to believe this and put it in action by everyone believing this and acting accordingly.
    And all of those causes that are making the economy be bad (the retirement age for example and the lazy government workers) are all tied into some kind of morality, something wrong someone is doing, some fault of someone and people love to find this linear cause and effect, especially they didn’t “work hard enough”, “government workers are lazy”, “we need more hard work for the economy to pick up” and such, when the modern day Technological Economy has zero connection to any of these imagined moral faults, to this morality police trying to force this comic book linearity, this stone age idea that hard work will create more wealth, when the modern economy is all based on random decisions of where to allocate billions of dollars the rich have and so forth and nothing at all to do with work or morality, or moral faults and so forth at all: the economy doesn’t need work, it needs fun and games and consumerism more than anything else, retirement ages, government workers, imagined waste of money doesn’t exist, it is all a political game, a tug of war between who wants to sacrifice who according to the mythical economic growth fairy tale and so forth.
    But people want to be promised, want to hope that they can actually improve their lot, they need to believe in the politicians and economists chanting all of this BS, and people deeply love finding who is to blame, who must be sacrificed, who is at fault, who is lazy, who is not doing their jobs, who is the layabout and so forth, all inside the idea of finding moral faults, all inside the concept of everyone wanting to punish everyone else when in all truth all of this BS has nothing at all to do with economic growth at all, actually economies grow when people are in the exact opposite moods, spending and optimistic and carefree and not all all into the mood of blaming someone else and everyone wanting to punish everyone else and so forth, all in the punishment mode.
    But behind all of the imaginary causes and effects that are invented to pretend that they can actually generate real economic growth is all of the hidden agendas of someone grabbing more cash as opposed to someone else: so the retirement age is increased so the government has to pay out less pensions (but at the same time what company wants old people working for them when they would like to hose all the older people and get young fresh new kids who cost a lot less and are easily programmable and flexible compared to older people ?) but the morality has been achieved, you must work harder, and the government saves money by forcing companies to keep on paying old people they don’t want anymore and so forth.
    The truth is that past a certain point economies become steady state, naturally decay, and the technological economy, by not needing many workers and needing fewer and fewer, automatically tends ever more towards recession than expanding since we still live in a stone age mentality of “you have to work to get a salary” when this is no longer applicable and such.
    THE APE

  212. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 3:01 am #

    I’ll bet you think that I didn’t notice how Scott Pelley uses his spectacles for conversational emphasis. As if he gives a fuck.

  213. Patrizia January 29, 2013 at 3:09 am #

    May be it could be interesting reading about Europe, I guess USA will look very soon like Europe…
    You cannot be but surprised reading what our leaders and politicians say about Europe.
    According to them looking into Europe you can see the light of democracy , and indeed any future government in Italy must follow the road paved by the actual European leading trio not to lose the view of this light.
    The worst thing that can happen is to be ruled by mystics, visionaries, as they appear in fact these worshipers of superdemocratic EU.
    But I go even further.
    I think they are not mystics or visionaries, they perfectly know what they are doing.
    Being ruled by the majority in a community, is not totally right, minorities should be allowed to have their saying, but that is what democracy is about: the middle way between caos and order.
    I can accept that.
    You have to make laws and put boundaries, and you have to accept the fact that the majority knows, even though histroy is full of disasters created by the majority…
    But when the majority is a few people that can decide of life and death, that is called Dictatorship.
    And that is what we have now.
    The European government, along with its head, in the name of Europe, is NOT elected.
    The democratic deficit was planned and wanted by Europe´s lovers because the will of the citizens would have prevented its realization.
    They were inspired, from the first sketches of unification of Europe, from the most totalitarian model of socialism that was solidified in Russia.
    It’s called ‘the Union’, in fact, is modeled on the Soviet Union, and the United States of Europe are called Commissions and Commissioners decision-making structures, the same name that Lenin and his comrades have given themselves forming the first revolutionary Russian government.
    Even in the EU, as in Soviet Russia, the Commissioners are not elected but appointed by the small group of those who hold the most power, and the only institution elected by the citizens is that fake Parliament, as the Duma, which provides armchairs politicians, non-governmental and not even affair talks during a crisis like the present one in which it was even aired the collapse of the euro and the EU itself.
    Even the “troika,” from which we are waiting, together with the Greeks, a judgment of acquittal or conviction, is one of the most profitable inventions of the Soviet rulers.
    With the excuse of the fanatical obsession of non-existent counterrevolutions, Stalin and his companions had created the special commission to combat debt (pardon the counterrevolution) equipped with trios, also known as “sets of shooting,” consisting of three people with power investigative and judicial, absolutely independent of which the public name was secret.
    At their meetings they had no the witnesses or the accused, nor the lawyers.
    Well, it’s very similar to the democratic spirit that exists in Europe and I would like to know: who is the “troika”?
    Who are the three powerful lords who stick their noses into the most intimate affairs of the Greek nation?
    Who appointed them?
    Under what democratic norms Greeks should accept the judgment?
    I am not talking of “conspiracy theory” because I am sure right now we can talk about “conspiracy reality”

  214. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 3:49 am #

    I guess that that’s why Tarantino called it “Django” (i.e., “Jango”). Tarantino is basically making a back-handed rebuke of bl..a,ck people.
    Tarantino is basically saying: “You want me to make a vulgar propaganda film. O.K…here’s a vulgar propaganda film, and I’m ramming it down the vulgar public’s throat.”
    Since as a propaganda film it appeals to raw emotion, some segments of “The Community” find it very emotionally satisfying, and, therefore, love the film.
    Tarantino is probably silently laughing his ass off at how stupid and vulgar people are.

  215. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 4:00 am #

    The character Django played by Jamie Foxx is the heroic G..er,man soldier in the Go.eb bels propaganda film in the movie “The Inglorious Bastards” who in the propaganda film is the sniper who shoots all of the American soldiers to the glee and delight of the N..a zi,s in the theater, just before the theatre is burned down.

  216. nameta9 January 29, 2013 at 4:27 am #

    Yo Yo News…
    The news is that the stock market went up: wow a real new “news”, the day before it went down, tomorrow it will go down, then up, then down and so forth: the economy went up, then down, then up, back and forth, up and down, the only news that is possible is the last news compared to the previous and so forth. The new news will always be the opposite of the last news which will then cycle through and become once again the old news and so forth and such.
    Many things are locked in a box, can either go up or down, can only be one or zero, a one bit circuit, and that is what they do: they cycle back and forth, now it is good, tomorrow bad, the next day good, now A has happened, tomorrow B will happen then since things can only go back and forth in the end, the only thing that can happen again is A all over again and the cycle repeats. And so it is with recessions and expansions and all else, in reality, there is no real news, things just chug along as usual, up and down (and notice the precentages are always so small, which means they essentially are hoovering around zero and so forth).
    So there will always be news, as it is always and only ever news compared to the last news which is always the opposite of the new news and so forth. Things can only go back and forth, last month employment picked up, this month it went down, and the only thing that changes is the length of the cycles, the repetitive patterns repeating with different time lengths and nothing else. Kind of like a fake news, like following the stock markets or the exchange rates, you can be sure that when either get too high, they will get back down again, only to cycle up and down all over again, locked in a box, tied into a binary segment, ony one or zero, no choice to possibly go anywhere else, all news is really no news, and the same with all statistics, measurements and numbers only to become news compared to the last news: yesterday it was black, today it is white tomorrow it will be black again a few days longer white again, back and forth, the yo yo world, the yo yo news, no real new news, only the same old things repeated forever and so forth.
    That company went down, that other company failed, that other one made a profit, that guy robbed money, and so forth, all similar events repeated over and over again, all over the place, the same old, same old…
    8 MAN

  217. nameta9 January 29, 2013 at 5:04 am #

    Fake Crisis
    Everything is an emergency, everything is falling apart, only then to never fall apart, to never happen and so forth, all a bluff, a game, a make believe crisis that then just disappears the next day: oh the fiscal cliff and such BS, what happened ? nothing ! the fake crisis was once again “resolved”, or the can kicked down the street a little further and so forth. The EU debt crisis, Greece falling apart, and so forth ! crisis, emergency, a big disaster and so forth. Oh and then what happened ? Nothing it all got solved somehow or another, all of the crisis and emergencies just get solved, always miracurously, the last minute everything gets saved, the fake crisis and emergency and such just gets solved, over and over again, always new emergencies, crisis, problems, only to have them all disappear the next day, but maybe pop up again a month later and the cycle repeats and such with eveything and such. Anyone remember the “California is Bankrupt” emergency ? what happened ? nothing ! it got solved or dissappeared or the can got kicked down the street a little further and so forth. A never ending stream of emergencies, crisis and problems that somehow always get solved, or disappear or whatever, so many crisis and emergencies you can’t even remember a tenth of them and so forth.
    But in the EU it is even more funny: the big debt crisis, the emergencies and all, all of the problems, the crisis, everything was supposed to fall apart in 2012 and what happened ? nothing it is all ok now, but at the same time the governments of Southern Europe, Spain, Italy and Greece had an excuse to pass tougher laws punishing the weaker social classes, with the excuses of all of the crises, they hosed the lower classes, they passed laws increasing the retirement age, changed the labor laws, increased taxes and so forth, fired government workers (always assumed to be lazy and a “waste of money” (but for who ? in what sense ?!?, not for those government workers assholes!)) all with this imaginary, fake crisis and emergency mode that is used over and over again, in all of the world to pass laws to punish the weaker classes and such.
    Watch out for the next emergency that will be used as an excuse to pass some laws against you, always some kind of justification, the weaker social classes are always guilty and morally wrong, kick out government and state workers, they are lazy and bad and guilty for all of the emergencies.
    What a farce, and everyone believes in all the crap they tell you.
    And then all of the news just lasts a short attention span, it all becomes so important as long as it is present on the radar, as soon as the next day comes, it is all solved, disappears, vanishes: I remember a few years back how important Irak and the Irak War was, now, it’s off the radar, as if it never happened you could say, it has vanished, it is no longer there, who even remembers ? who cares ? was that crappy country even so important ? and so forth. And then the last obsessive news and issues just get replaced with the latest obsessive news and issues: since 2008 it has been the great boogy man of the recession and the economic crisis and such: in ten years no one will remember crap about all of this stuff, some other new news and obsessions and new issues will dominate all the media, maybe some new terrorist attack or such.
    tobor man

  218. Patrizia January 29, 2013 at 5:12 am #

    The news and the crisis can be fake, but poverty isn´t…It is the fake excuse to move money from one part to the other, from the 99% to the 1%.
    The market is rigged, but it really doesn´t matter as long as we assume that it is real.
    The many who lose and the few who gain.

  219. ComradeDystopia January 29, 2013 at 6:47 am #

    When these 30 million illegals are granted amnesty, and become citizens, will they be able to bring in their extended families from the home country? Because they have some pretty big families. We could be talking about 120 million ‘New Americans’ within the next decade. Is there enough money in the whole world to provide them with foodstamps, AFDC, section 8 housing, medical care, education, etc? I’d like to see JHK address this specific issue.

  220. youqinlt00 January 29, 2013 at 7:09 am #

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  221. nameta9 January 29, 2013 at 7:44 am #

    The Simplified Mind
    I was reading how scientists can map activity in the brain with words and sentences, they can actually see words or concepts through tomography or whatever. So then the brain is a simple engine, just like a car engine, a few moving parts, a few blocks and all of what is inside, and all thoughts and sentences and probably all consciousness and feelings and all and all (“sprituality” ?) can be explained, used, can be manipulated, after all, they discovered that the brain is simpler than the simplest microprocessor, it has just a few chunks that light up when words or thoughts are said, end of story.
    Wow”, I don’t like that ! That kills off all of my fantasies of the Mind Brain being infinitely complex, and manipulable, that you could get wild new worlds and feelings and thought events and all kinds of wicked new signals in the mind (new “Universes” and “Laws of Physics”, go figure!), since we use our brain with only one fixed circuit (decided by that other party pooper called “Natural Evolution”) compared to how many new circuits can be devised in the ball of meat on top of your head!
    So I lost the bet, there is nothing, actually there is even way less than what we thought there was before science ruined the party for us all: what a party pooper! I wanted it to be a never ending mysterious contraption where I could exercise all of my imagination and fantasy and they ruined my toy, my playground.
    So, at this point I can only lie about it, I can only say lets pretend that the brain is more than just a handful of moving parts (simpler than a V8 Engine, wow, the engine could be more interesting if you stick brains in it than if you did the opposite like I always imagined!). Lets start dreaming up and drawing new block diagrams of possible imaginary brains, let your imagination run wild, draw ever more complex signals and symbols and block diagrams, invent ever more complex and contorted schematics of brain circuits, use computers to print billions of pages of incredibly complex schematics and symbols and designs and paintings representing all of the subparts of ever more incredible brains, Observer Types, Processors and so forth (the Universe self programming itself, observing itself and deciding how it wants to be on the fly, Matter Energy self configuring itself, inventing itself, the Abstraction and Symbol Set Kit, the Experience Set self instantiating itself in any incredible, possible way, and so forth forever, the self constructing Observer, the self constructing Universe). Make believe reality is more than what it is, we must worship lies and untruth, we must kill the truth and science and logic, that is always ruining the game for us all, always being such a letdown and boring, such a bore, so static, so dead, lets make brains come alive with wild new designs, let little babies and children draw incredibly complex schematics, let their imaginations go wild, ever more, ever more incredible, please make reality more than what it is, make it more than this puny one transistor circuit…
    I want to run in the backyard of my suburban house with mommy in the kitchen cooking and I dreaming up incredible new brains, ever more incredible, me in my make believe, so wonderful…
    THE APE COCK , BARBIE CONFUSED

  222. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 8:41 am #

    Slow tempo does have its place. For example, Cavatina in the movie The Deer Hunter. The tempo is slow, but appropriate, because it is meant to evoke contemplation and introspection. A beautiful theme song, you must admit, and a emotionally charged movie, you must admit. One of my favorites. It gets me every time.






  223. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 8:46 am #

    By the way, that Nancy Sinatra video reminded me of an old joke I haven’t heard in quite some time that I’ll share with this dire crowd for some levity.
    Q: What do Italian Women wear behind their ears to attract their lovers?
    A: Wrong, it’s not dung. Their ankles.

  224. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    K Dog, Tor is not a panacea, and any competent IT person can easily sniff-out traffic origins. The best Hackers are secret Deep State Government operatives. They own the Internet, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. There is no Anonymity, just the semblance of it.
    Using Tor is like moving to a Mafia State such as Croatia, Bosnia or Macedonia. These are Narco States and metaphorical minefields. You can explode at every turn. Tor is inundated with criminals and criminal activity. Some of the larger Mafia Networks employ highly-skilled Hackers and they have loosely affiliated ties to various Governments and are part of many Governments’ Black Budgets.
    Using Tor is a huge trade-off, and not a wise one, imo.
    Just stand up and be counted, unlike those who hide in the shadows.

  225. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    Speaking of superb soloist guitar performances, here’s a wonderful, yet no frills, rendition of Gary Jules Mad World. I chose this one because Radu doesn’t like to look at the face.






    That is much-appreciated talent.

  226. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    “Is there enough money in the whole world to provide them with foodstamps, AFDC, section 8 housing, medical care, education, etc?”
    -comrad D-
    No!
    And without all of this unsustainable foolishness, very few would be immigrating here and staying here, already.

  227. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    “Are you sure that you’re not looking at the last switch where the IP packets came from?”
    -x, to k-9-
    I think that’s it, K. So what you gave to CFN were the approximate geographical locations, the (DoD!! haha!!) owner(s) of the originating network, AND the invaluable timestamps.
    Whether paid troll or volunteer jack-off, soaker hose definitely uses DoD computer networks.
    I’m also 99% certain that his name is David H. and he has some connection to Olympia, WA; hometown, perhaps.
    It’s amazing how he can go right back to trolling the new CFN week – as though nothing happened.
    It’s also amazing that the timestamps on JHK’s stats have vanished, apparently. What’s up with that?????
    ========================
    Now – I’m not sure what’s the problem with an individual citizen (me, for example) yielding approximate geographic location and CFN user name by logging on and commenting here.
    But, if I were concerned, why wouldn’t I use one of the better of these services for more anonymity than Tor offers?
    http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.htm

  228. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Here’s an anecdotal answer to your question.
    And apparently Oregon fashioned itself as a “sanctuary State” for illegals.
    It’s hurting them, badly.
    “If lawmakers don’t act, this year illegal immigration will siphon away another $1 billion-plus of Oregonians’ hard-earned, tax-funded state and local services. Citizens should tell their senators and representatives: In the 2013 session, take concrete action to curb illegal immigration to our state and to drive away illegal immigrants already here.”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2013/01/oregon_legislature_should_conf.html
    “illegal immigrants as net contributors” is the sort of pernicious lie that only a government stooge would promulgate on the people of Oregon/the US.

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  230. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    “illegal immigrants as net contributors” is the sort of pernicious lie that only a __________ would promulgate against the people of Oregon/the US.
    -p4c goes fill-in the blank, before logout-
    government stooge
    paid stooge
    volunteer stooge
    La Raza stooge
    ACLU stooge
    SPLC stooge
    anti-African-American stooge
    National Chamber of Commerce stooge
    etc.
    etc.

  231. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    So you are what a blog drone looks like. And we thought you were just somebody crazy.
    Retrospect provides the perspective that realizes only an organized effort can possibly be behind your launch. You never sleep and you never need days off to drool on the streetcorner or find medication. You have the health and morals of a corporate person but I suspect Uncle Sam launches you.
    Youqinlt00, our new little dronie.
    May you fuck off and die.

  232. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    P4C, adding to the Social Security irony is that many on CFN are older or retired whites from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.
    The Social Security actuaries estimate that two-thirds of unauthorized immigrant workers, or 5.6 million people, were paying into the system in 2007. Roughly half used a Social Security number tied to an invented name or one that belonged to someone else to be able to work and contribute to CFN. Of the rest, many got legal cards when they entered the country under a temporary work visa. They stayed illegally after their visas expired.
    Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
    These benefits undocumented workers are making are a net contribution to CFN. Few of the unauthorized workers are likely to receive anything, ever. About the only way they might would be if they were to become legal, and they had paid their withholding taxes using their true names.

  233. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    It’s also amazing that the timestamps on JHK’s stats have vanished, apparently. What’s up with that?????
    I just woke up and haven’t been there yet. Let me guess anyway. Removal was necessary for national defense reasons. You and I are considered enemies of the state and silent harassment must be continued, national security reasons. Silence is required so the public does not look at the man behind the curtain.
    We continue to make the mistake that ‘they’ will act like decent human beings, they won’t. A normal troll would be gone but one who consists of cue cards around a screen to tell the on duty soldier pulling the duty who they are and what they believe will be here until policy changes.
    The worst thing they can do right now is just leave. They will hide tracks and call us crazy before that. That’s all they dare to do or they would have difficulty explaining it. Paychecks are involved and they are not afraid of me.

  234. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:18 am #

    Nameta9,
    I see you have the new Internet Drone design changes. You did not used to have paragraph breaks and now you do.
    Do they feel good?

  235. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    In for an inch, in for a mile.
    The decent thing to do would be to consider everyone already here citizens and not allow anyone else in at all for reasons of overpopulation, and this will happen.
    In my dreams.

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  237. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    I see you do not have the new design changes.
    New internet drones come with paragraph breaks. You are being left out.

  238. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    No it’s not and it slows things down considerably which is why I’m not using it now.
    I used it to make a point. Uncle Sam already knows who I am and where my doghouse is. I’m expecting Barack to show up and ask me out to dinner any day now.
    Tor is no panacea but it might help new users.

  239. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    For a while.

  240. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 11:49 am #

    Welcome to the internet arms race everybody.
    High Orbit Ion Cannon
    I will not be downloading and using it myself. I was told yesterday that to even posses the Low Orbit Ion Cannon was a violation of federal law.
    National security reasons.

  241. zaphod42 January 29, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    You are correct, Jim. No new ideas emerge. Merely tautology.
    Of course, for a politician, a self reflective assertion is a good thing since no one can contradict it, and if it says something ‘nice,’ well, Hell. There’s nothing wrong with that. If it does not advance the program, at least it helps with elections.
    Not, mind you, that it matters one whit who is in power when the whole edifice of government and the economy collapses.
    Craig

  242. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    When is the last time you had a real laugh, K-Dog? The kind of laugh that makes you shake, cry, and hold your sides? Do you remember the giggles you had as a puppy that you just couldn’t stop and you laughed until you simply couldn’t laugh anymore? Do you remember how good you felt for a long time after that? Did you ever do that? Do you laugh at work? Do you laugh at home? Do you play only to win or do you play for fun? Do you laugh when you play? Do you know how important real laughter is to your health and well-being? You are sounding paranoid, K-Dog, and should lighten up for your own good. Me and my buddies at DoD are concerned about you.

  243. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    when the whole edifice of government and the economy collapses.
    ———–
    That is not going to happen this century.

  244. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    When is the last time you had a real laugh, K-Dog?
    It was yesterday but you just made me chuckle. Does that count?

  245. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:03 pm #

    Do you eat green eggs and ham?

  246. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    When was the last time you had a real laugh, K-Dog?
    Regular readers will perceive the humor, new ones won’t.

  247. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    We know you are new and still in training, but a little reminder to help you navigate the learning curve. It’s…

    ==============

    not

    ———–

    No need to thank us. We’re just doing our small part for God & Country. Carry on.

  248. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    The instructions need to be made more clear. It must say something like ‘use dashes in paragraph tags’ when it should say use double dashes in paragraph tags.
    Get it right flyboy.

  249. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

    That is not going to happen this century.

    Of course it’s not. You and the lackey economists will just continue to invent ever more ridiculous statistics to plaster over the carnage and call it progress. It reminds one of the Black Night Scene in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. He couldn’t accept defeat even when he had nothing left to fight with.






  250. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    You are safe, K-Dog. You are loved.

  251. ComradeDystopia January 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

    Anybody else see Steve Croft’s 60 minutes interview with Obama and Hillary Clinton? Did you learn anything from it? I learned that the obsequious, brown nosed asskissing is never going to end. In fact, its only just begun!

  252. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    more ridiculous statistics
    ————–
    Yes, those desk jockeys at the Bureau of Labor Statistics are wild and crazy guys, almost as ridiculous as those Social Security actuaries!

  253. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    I think the black night didn’t want to wind up on the unemployment line. What but a paycheck could cause such stubborn commitment to a lost cause.

  254. owenmeany January 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    Welcome to “The Fourth Turning”, Mr. Kunstler.

  255. Jam47 January 29, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    I’m going to rearrange your la

  256. Jam47 January 29, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    I’m going to rearrange your last three sentences in the APPARENT form of a syllogism.
    All creatures act selfishly.
    All capitalistic behaviour is selfish.
    The behaviour of all creatures is therefore capitalistic.
    Is this your argument? If it is, it’s FORMALLY fallacious.

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  258. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    P4C, illegal immigration is a source of value added. The total goods and services that they consume through their paycheck, plus all that they produce for their employers, is close to about $800 billion. But’s that’s not all!
    They’re also producing at relatively lower costs because the undocumented population typically gets about 20% less in wages than if they were legalized. But that’s not all!
    Lower wages leads to lower prices for us and higher profits to employers. But that’s not all!
    In addition, they’re obviously a huge consumer base. We’ve seen that 90% of the wages that the undocumented population gets are spent inside the U.S. But that’s not all!
    Remittances are sent abroad, but that only represents about 10% of immigrants’ income. But that’s not all!
    Legalize them, now! Raise their wages (and taxes) and allow them to continue to be net contributors (without the state terrorism).

  259. Jam47 January 29, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    To some people, buying Walmart junk and driving cars incessantly IS fun. To such, buying and driving also help provide their lives with meaning, just as a sense of community apparently gives meaning to your life.
    And it’s no use thinking that the needs you approve of are real and those you think wasteful and trivial are not. Most needs are artificial to begin with, but if they are repeatedly satisfied they become natural and real. Long-time cigarette smokers know this. Also heroin addicts.

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  261. Jam47 January 29, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    Lenin may have played the buffoon in his private live, entertaining his intimates with silly or clownish behaviour, though I doubt it. But in his public life, which is what counts, a buffoon he wasn’t.
    Lenin created Russia’s Bolshevik police state, which means that he created the apparatus which his successors used to torture and murder millions of people. As you say, you know little about Lenin. Only that, or callousness, or blind ideology, would permit you to shrug off him and his works as buffoonery.

  262. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    Back to this shit again.
    Blog Blockin’

  263. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    Back to this shit again.

  264. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Agent Asoka. you shouldn’t bait P4C this way, its mean. But then you don’t know what love is, do you?

  265. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

    The Soaker Hose makes another Grow, GROW! argument in favor of immigration from his DoD computer.
    But that’s not all. He does it from inside an overcrowded country and on a peak resources website.
    But that’s not all. And in a new twist he managed to imbed an argument that oppression of illegals and depression of US wages is a GOOD?? thing.
    “Lower wages leads to lower prices for us and higher profits to employers. But that’s not all!”
    -soaker soaks the immigrants-
    But that’s not all, remember?
    Before the end of the week, Our Soaker Hose can be guaranteed to recycle some outdated moral platitudes in favor of never ending population growth inside the finite United States landmass.
    Just wait for it.
    That is all.

  266. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    That whole thing was written to you specifically to fuck with you. You have an opinion which matches mine and is counter to status-quo pablum Agent Asoka is here to defend and uphold.

  267. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    Mean? To correct P4C’s lies? In a humorous infomercial format? With facts and statistics? I think not. I was not calling him names, or attacking his person. I was just stating the truth about the value of immigrants, in a loving way.

  268. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Very nice reply, P4C.
    I like the format you used.
    :)
    Just remember:
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

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  270. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    Hmmm…
    Clark Kent used to mysteriously disappear when CRIME happened.
    …and then re-appear as






  271. ozone January 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    K-Dog to the disembodied, distractionary drivel dervish:
    “I see you do not have the new design changes.
    New internet drones come with paragraph breaks. You are being left out.”
    Awwwwwww, it almost makes you sad for it, doesn’t it? Well, maybe not…

  272. ozone January 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Before I forget (and just for our own personal edification):
    “asoka” is a paid serial liar.
    Thank you for your kind attention.

  273. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Politicians working against the national interest again isn’t news but I hadn’t realized how badly corporations in America have been doing or how compassionate they are. They want to address our shortage of skilled foreign workers.
    Nothing will defeat the ideas of ‘doomers’ better than opening borders, embracing world government and the world citizenship that goes with it.
    It’s a total Hoo-Ra for growth is back and greed is good. Moving large numbers of people around the world for no good reason isn’t just silly, it’s insidious.
    It’s also a slow cut of death to entitlement programs of all kinds. The elitist wet dream.

  274. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Fight that feeling. Anthropomorphic impulses are normal to ascribe to something that masquerades as being human and isn’t. Government agents have been specifically trained to exploit that impulse.
    Blog drones are not human. Neither are those whom launch them.

  275. Eleuthero5 January 29, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    Asoka said:
    Your denial of reality is complete.
    ******************************************************
    No, your denial is complete because you believe statistics from our various Politburos that are jury-rigged to a point of farce. How can GDP be “higher” when velocity of cash is lower than it was in 2008? You don’t see the obvious when it bites you on the bum i.e., that it can only be that way when most of the buying is by FOREIGNERS because our citizens ain’t got no money, dude.
    But everybody knows that you rely on the official statistics when it suits you but then when it does NOT suit you, you’ll list “exceptions” to a person’s point as if that’s a valid argumentative technique.
    I quoted stats, too, but since they don’t come from Obama’s spinmeisters, they obviously WILLL violate everyone’s sense of what’s happening at ground level. You are a rube but not an innocent rube. You are EVIL because your intentions are strictly EGOCENTRIC, DISINFORMATIVE, and have no motive but to WIN.
    E.

  276. ozone January 29, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    …If you want to find out more, WRITE to McGruff the Crime Dawg…
    Holy Shitskies, Batman! Not only does McGruff talk and stand on his hind legs while wearing a trench coat, he also READS LETTERS from troubled kids from across the length and breadth of the greatest nation ever pretended to!
    But, will it be as effective as writing to Santa for some cool stuff, or the Pre,,zi.dent to ask him to please cut the buh-jet of the Dee;;oh;;Dee?
    Perhaps either course of action leads into a blind alley of delusional busy-work and fictional construct. Who could say but one who guards the empire’s secrets?

  277. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    It’s WAY past time to ASK for a cut in Dod’s budget.
    We need to DEMAND one while something, anything good can still be done with our play money. And if we don’t get it, it’s National Strike time.

  278. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 4:15 pm #

    You are a rube but not an innocent rube. You are EVIL because your intentions are strictly EGOCENTRIC, DISINFORMATIVE, and have no motive but to WIN.
    ============
    Whatever.
    It still amazes me the amount of time people spend attacking others on an anonymous blog, as if they had perfect knowledge of other posters.
    Let me try:
    Eleuthero5, you are innocent, you are good, you are compassionate, you are intelligent, and you have no motive but to HELP others.

  279. ozone January 29, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    Good idea, but there’s no one left to present demands TO.
    Could we just have a Na=shin+nal Strike to see which “group” feels the effects of the brutal crackdown first? Although incredibly dangerous, it could be instructive. Check the *se.;krit li’sssssssssssst* and see how many martyrs will be needed before proceeding.

  280. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    What will be just as interesting is to see which groups of benevolent, mellow, human beings will step into our vacated diplomatic and military situations. I doubt that a martyr count will be necessary before they proceed. They probably won’t be concerned with a number.

  281. stelmosfire January 29, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    Come on K-Dog, A.. knows that “Love means never having to say you’re sorry”






    I had a K-dog once. His name was Kermit and he had a brother named Elmo. Two of the best dogs I ever had!! Except for the ones I have now. The kids named them from the “Sesame Street” characters. Problem with dogs is they don’t live long enough. They are family members and if ya’ get 15 years out of’em you are doing good.

  282. ComradeDystopia January 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    Dow getting ready to top 14,000.
    But petroleum is headed up to $100 per barrel.
    I was listening to an ‘Energy Expert’ on Bloomberg the other night, and I’ll tell you, the thinking is these Bakken fields in the Dakotas will solve all our problems. I hear that from many sources.

  283. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    ComradeDystopia, your handle is new here. I must warn you this is a peak oil blog and you are violating the CFN doctrine by saying the Bakken Fields will solve all our problems.
    CFN dogma states that the low-hanging fruit has been picked and discovery is in decline. Of course, the Bakken Fields give the lie to CFN. Approximately 86% of reserves and 83% of production are crude oil and NGLs. This is far better than the industry average of 43%. The average 3-year F&D costs are also exemplary at $19.00 per barrel versus an industry average of $25.88 per barrel. The debt to market capitalization ratio of 29% is also significantly lower than the industry average of 105%. According to CFN these numbers should not be possible, since we passed peak oil in 1970 in the USA. Of course, reality frequently puts the lie to CFN.

  284. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    One more thing you will learn about Our Soaker Hose, ComradD, is that he almost NEVER cites the sources from he plagiarizes.
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1139811-whiting-petroleum-one-of-the-largest-oil-producers-in-the-bakken-may-be-perfect-for-your-portfolio
    Soak, are you now running a pump and dump operation on WLL in your spare time at the DoD?

  285. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    which

  286. erikSF99 January 29, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    Asoka, do you have a desk in the corner of a White House office?
    Max Keiser constant theme these days is: we are in the biggest bond bubble in history. Bond prices are the highest in the 240 years history of the United States. In the UK there are the highest in over 300 years–since the founding of the Bank of England in 1694.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S7ML74rOXlw
    Max and Stacey Herbert explain we are on the verge of the biggest collapse of all time.
    We’ve had one induced-bubble after another: Dot-Com, Real Estate and now the Bond Market–which of course is what keeps the value of the dollar up.
    Everyone in 2005 believed that real estate would never collapse. Does anyone believe that the biggest financial bond bubble in the history of finance can keep going?

  287. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

    In many of these very tight reservoirs, natural fractures play a big role. These are natural cracks which have low porosity but can have permeabilities one to several orders of magnitude greater than the rock fabric or matrix. Most of the better wells in the Bakken have encountered abundant natural fractures.
    This means it will peak early.
    Estimates rang from 500 million to as much as 4.1 billion barrels . That’s 0.0005 to 0.0041 kdogs, hardly worth lifting your leg for in the greater and lesser scheme of things.
    ???????????????????????????????????????????
    One kdog is one trillion barrels of oil and makes a cube 5.4 kilometers on a side. At best the Bakken cube is only 0.87 kilometers on a side.
    At worst the cube is only 429 meters on a side.
    ???????????????????????????????????????????
    Watch out for that early peak. The world ain’t saved yet.

  288. Collapse Watch January 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm #

    Oh yes, The Bakken is Fine & Dandy!! Why, it’s a regular Deadwood. What’s not to like? The cost of oil. There Will Be Blood. An excellent name for that movie, by the way. Uh huh, there sure was blood, and there’s sure to be a hell of lot more. asoka.. LOVES Murder & Mayhem.
    http://www.bozeman-magpie.com/perspective-full-article.php?article_id=495

    From the formerly peaceful farming communities scattered across western North Dakota and eastern Montana come reports of bars full of mean-spirited men flying high on crystal methamphetamine, prostitution rings, strippers pulling in two grand a night, insolent truck drivers throwing garbage out their windows and urinating on people’s lawns. Theft, murder, sex crimes, men being raped, abduction, domestic violence—for each of these categories, regional crime rates have tripled. The police are unable to recruit enough officers due to housing shortages and competition with high-paying oil field jobs. Eight-dollar-a-gallon milk, homeless men making six-figure salaries, one-bedroom apartments renting for $2,000 a month, nightmare traffic all hours of the day.

    Yeah, asoka.., that’s something to celebrate. Nice. This is what investment is all about. Tuco’s noose, except there is no Blondie to slice the rope with a pin-pointed bullet.

  289. k-dog January 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

    except there is no Blondie to slice the rope with a pin-pointed bullet.

    ??????????????????????????????
    Yes there is.

  290. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    I have Puzzler and you to do my citation fetching.
    Good dog!

  291. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

    ErikSF99 said: “we are on the verge of the biggest collapse of all time.”
    I can confirm this ErkSF99.
    Collapse is just around the corner.
    As you say, we are “on the verge.”
    It could happen next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.

  292. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    K-Dog, contrary to what you say, estimates for oil in place was just raised in the Bakken from 577 billion barrels to 903 billion barrels. This is a 57% increase in the amount of total oil in place. You be a hopin’ and a wishin’ that it will peak early, but the facts say otherwise. Supply is increasing.

  293. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

    Estimates rang from 500 million to as much as 4.1 billion barrels . That’s 0.0005 to 0.0041 kdogs, hardly worth lifting your leg for in the greater and lesser scheme of things.

    Supply is increasing, K-Dog, enough to justify your raising a hind leg.
    Not only is supply increasing in the USA. Not only throughout South America, in Venezuela, Colombia, etc. … just Argentina possibly has the third-largest shale gas resources in the world, 23 billion barrels of gas and oil. We can’t even add up all the BILLIONS of barrels. Your estimates are out-of-date. Most of the new oil has been discovered in the last ten years, with much, much more to come. Sorry, Charlie.

  294. progress4conserving January 29, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    “my citation fetching.”
    -The Resident Impediment-
    Why not just furnish the citations yourself, soak?
    ————–
    “There is no limit to the number of people we can love, if they would stay home and help their own friends, families, and countries.”
    -soak, edited to be less soaking-

  295. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    “We can’t even add up all the BILLIONS of barrels.”
    ——————————————-
    Yay! More fossil fuel to burn!
    This will REALLY improve things.
    You should get a Hummer. The big one.
    You know, so you have room for your delusions.

  296. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 8:51 pm #

    Since it is hard to appreciate abstract numbers, let’s break it down. Let’s take Argentina alone (23 Billion barrels). Daily world oil consumption is about 82 million barrels a day, but let’s up that to 90 million barrels a day and see what Argentina alone has:
    23 000 000 000 / 90 000 000 = 255 years
    Add in all the other countries and their discoveries and we are looking at HUNDREDS of years of oil supply, buying us enough time to develop thorium because the only two viable options we have are fossil or nuclear.

  297. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 8:57 pm #

    IMPORTANT CORRECTION
    255 days
    Add in all the other countries and their discoveries and we are looking at HUNDREDS of days of oil supply, buying us enough time to develop thorium because the only two viable options we have are fossil or nuclear.

  298. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    You know, so you have room for your delusions.
    ===========
    LOL! They don’t make Hummers that big.

  299. Soul Pucker January 29, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

    Don’t you think that it’s a bit ironic that asoka, a disgruntled, decorated U.S. Army ass-kick’n vet and Buddhist renunciant living in the mountains of Costa Rica professes complete faith in O,,ba ma and makes every effort to trumpet the current economic “recovery” and debunk Peak Oil?

  300. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    “IMPORTANT CORRECTION
    255 days”
    ————————————-
    Ok. I just can’t stay mad at ya. That was the best laugh I’ve had all day.
    Thorium?
    Sure! What could go wrong?

  301. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    Ok. I just can’t stay mad at ya. That was the best laugh I’ve had all day.
    ============
    Xhalor, CFN is for entertainment, until the collapse next Tuesday. I’m glad I was able to make you laugh.

  302. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    Thorium? Sure! What could go wrong?
    ============
    Why would anyone want Thorium reactors?
    They produce safe, clean and cheap power.
    Are Thorium reactors something new?
    We ran a Thorium reactor in the 1960s, but then we stopped.
    Why can’t we make them now?
    Regulations changed since the 1960s, and development takes money. No investor will bet a billion dollars on a politician’s promise to let us license this new type of reactor.
    But don’t reactors need safety regulations? Can’t reactors explode?
    Thorium reactors operate at low pressure, about the same pressure as your car tire. They can’t have a steam explosion because they don’t need water to stay cool. They are passively safe, which means they will safely shut down all by themselves if you walk away from them. And Thorium is the wrong fuel to make an atomic bomb, so we don’t have to worry about terrorists stealing it.
    That sounds good, but doesn’t this reactor make nuclear waste?
    That is the great thing about them! Liquid fueled Thorium reactors make almost no nuclear waste, and their used fuel decays in 300 years, not the 30,000 years that is typical for a conventional reactor.
    Is that the only difference between Thorium and other nuclear plants?
    Thorium reactors are so efficient that the plants don’t need to sit next to a river or ocean for cooling.
    It is so safe it doesn’t need a massive building to contain a steam explosion.
    Since the plant is small, it can be built on an assembly line like an airplane or ship, not built on site like a huge building.
    These small power plants could be installed where they are needed in weeks, not years.
    Well, they must need some kind of fuel.
    Sure they do. Thorium is found all over the world. We’ve already found a thousand years supply of it right here in the US.

  303. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm #

    Since the plant is small, it can be built on an assembly line like an airplane or ship, not built on site like a huge building. These small power plants could be installed where they are needed in weeks, not years.
    And we have a few days of oil left! That’s all we need.

  304. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

    If endless printing of money is no pro-blay-mo I guess our government should be unconcerned with counterfeiting?
    ============
    Asoka, I am still awaiting your answer to ^this^ question.

  305. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    Supply is increasing, K-Dog, enough to justify your raising a hind leg.
    ==============
    Wrong, Asoka. It is only estimates of supply that are increasing. Big difference. Supplies, whatever the correct number may be, are depleting by about 82M barrels a day.

  306. xhalor January 29, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    When it comes to the creation of new “things”, I pretty much have the same attitude that nameta9 has. If you can imagine it, build it. Just not at the same rate. Not even close. Humans have a developed the bad habit of trying to build their way out of problems with no thought to environmental damage. It looks like we have used our grace period up. It really is too bad that we wasted the bulk of the planet’s resources on the mass production of useless consumer crap and probably have irreparably damaged the environment doing so.
    Led off of our farms for the promise of easy wages and social security. We just were not socially developed enough to handle the rapid development of technology. A few have been able to use it to enslave many.

  307. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 10:12 pm #

    Thorium is found all over the world.
    ===========
    Thorium schmorium. Why don’t you go out into the world and teach your people Standard American English?

  308. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 10:19 pm #

    Kyoo, do you really take the word “printing” literally? When we are talking about government “quantitative easing” of hundreds of billions of dollars, do you think hundreds of billions of pieces of paper are printed? Counterfeiting only applies to physical mediums like dollar bills. In reality, it makes no difference whether a bill is counterfeit or not, so long as it will pass around freely. I’m sure you have used counterfeit bills unknowingly… but no harm came from using them. About 2% of our physical bills at any time are counterfeit. Does counterfeiting hurt you? If you think so, can you explain exactly how you are being hurt, given counterfeiting has not produced hyperinflation. As long as people trust counterfeit money, no harm done.
    It’s all electrons nowadays. using electronic funds transfer, using verified transactions between two banks or similar financial institutions; nearly impossible to counterfeit. I’m not an accountant, but I don’t think you can change the electronic balance of an account without being quickly noticed when the bank does its daily account balancing. You would need a corresponding credit to match the increase in the account balance. Accounting systems are all about having a from and to for every transacion.
    Then why does government care about counterfeiting? Because the laws are on the books, people’s jobs depend upon enforcing them and the whole thing continues out of tradition and inertia. It really doesn’t matter that people get away with counterfeiting. It happens every day. Does it hurt you? If you think so, can you explain exactly how you are being hurt, given that we have no hyperinflation as a result of quantitative easing?
    As our friend Jack Waddington so kindly reminds us:

    Remember we were all born taking (our needs) and we die giving all our possessions (we can’t take any of it with us) and between times we sometimes give and other times we take.

    As JHK says: “It’s all good.”

  309. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    So-called Standard American English only exists in your head, Kyoo.
    You, from New Joysey, with its accent, should know that better than any of us.
    When are you going to learn “Standard American English”?

  310. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    It looks like we have used our grace period up.
    ============
    Yes, I can confirm this. Our grace period is gone. We are soooo fucked! We have only a few more days left. I expect complete eco-system collapse next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.

  311. Ozymandius January 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    Interesting way of putting it. Movable memes instead of movable goalposts. Somewhat disheartening. Best not to worry about things too much then; just be resigned to living your life as best as you are able in the short time allocated to you whilst having some consideration for the people, plants and animals around you.

  312. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    South Jersey is primarily within the Philadelphia dialect region. One recognizable feature of this is the pronunciation of /o?/ (the vowel in go) as [??], and this can also be found elsewhere in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Delaware.
    Visitors to South Jersey will notice the following usages standard in the Delaware Valley:
    Hoagie: This usual term for what might elsewhere be called a submarine sandwich.
    Wooder/Wooter: the first vowel in the word water is rhymed with that of the verb put.
    Jimmies: used to refer to the chocolate or rainbow variety of sprinkles used on cakes and ice cream. The term is also used in the Boston area but is uncommon in North Jersey.
    Drerrs: A slurred pronunciation of Drawers can be rhymed with burrs.
    Yeh: A common way of saying Yes
    There are also a significant number of residents that speak with a variation of a southern drawl known as “Down Jersey” in the lower western counties of Salem and Cumberland.

  313. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    how you are being hurt, given counterfeiting has not produced hyperinflation.
    ===========
    All inflation is theft, whether 2% or hyper.
    Hey Clusterfuckers, Asoka is OK with theft.

  314. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:00 pm #

    Nice evasion of my question and attempt to smear.
    Anytime a retailer raises prices that is price inflation. Are they engaging in theft? Do you believe in capitalism? Organized theft.

  315. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

    So-called Standard American English only exists in your head, Kyoo.
    ==========
    From Wikipedia:
    General American (GA), also known as Standard American English (SAE), is a major accent of American English. The accent is not restricted to the United States. Within American English, General American and accents approximating it are contrasted with Southern American English, several Northeastern accents, and other distinct regional accents and social group accents like African American Vernacular English.
    Do you see the difference between regional accents and social group accents?
    In 400+ years Blacks have not assimilated. This is a major source of friction in our society which you pretend not to recognize.

  316. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    Yeah, I’m not part of the closed borders and standard American English crowd, though I respect their right to believe as they do.
    I prefer the freedom of movement, freedom of speech, live and let live crowd. Vocal fry, Val-speak, up speak, etc. do not bother me in the least. My thing is diversity, multiculturalism, and freedom. Freedom to live your life without “assimilation.”

  317. asoka.. January 29, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

    How would you react if someone kidnapped you at gunpoint, chained you to the bottom of a boat, took you across an ocean to a foreign land, where you did not know the culture or the language, and then berated you and said you were the cause of “friction” because you were not “assimilating”?

  318. Kyooshtik January 29, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    Anytime a retailer raises prices that is price inflation.
    ===========
    ^This^ is a common misunderstanding. It is a misunderstanding comparable to the idea that a learning curve is a big hill in front of you that is difficult to climb.
    Inflation is an increase in the money supply at a rate greater than an economy’s output of goods and services. A symptom of inflation is higher prices but higher prices nearly always come with a lag. How long that lag is depends on a nearly infinite number of variables but, as night follows day, it MUST come.
    A grossly simplified explanation: If an economy produces 100 units of product and has 100 units of currency, each unit of product will cost 1 unit of currency. If outstanding currency is doubled while product remains unchanged the price of each unit of product will eventually double.

  319. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 12:45 am #

    Inflation is an increase in the money supply at a rate greater than an economy’s output of goods and services.
    ================
    ^This^ is a common misunderstanding. Inflation is an increase in the price of goods and services that is sustained over time. As inflation increases, your purchasing power decreases (i.e., theft).
    Kyoo said: ALL inflation is theft.
    “All inflation” logically includes capitalist price inflation.
    Kyoo is a rabid believer in capitalism.
    Price inflation lowers your purchasing power (i.e., is theft).
    Ipso facto, Kyoo believes in and defends theft.

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    Don’t be a slave to reality or the truth, play like a little baby, just play around and be carefree. Draw all those new circuits for new brains looking into new universes, take a pen or pencil and a piece of paper and start drawing all wicked and wild little boxes, all shapes, curves, all complex symbols, complex designs (like schematics of electronic circuits, but much more complex and wicked, with many more kinds of components, infinitely intricate, very complex symbols, wild symbols and signals, invent the wildest components, the sky is the limit, just like a little baby, play and have fun and imagine the most incredible things those circuits do, all outside of truth, and reality, and being real, nothing is real here, nothing has to be real here anymore, you are over and done with real, reality, people, society, the truth, science and all the other hosts of prisoners stopping your fun and imagination), patterns ever more fun and while you draw it imagine what incredible things all those circuits are doing, all fake, a make believe, pretend that it is real, make believe that it is true and real (only boring people want their stuff to be true and real, only scientists want the truth and real, I want fake and false, I want to pretend, I want to be a little baby playing around in my make believe and pretend world, like in Brainium, everything you see is a brain, all items are a subcircuit for a brain part, an observer part, a subsystem of a Processor, nay, everything you see is a completely new universe ( a new big bang, a new NEW), is an infinite abstraction, is an infinite recursion of an abstraction upon itself, all matter self inventing itself, universes self inventing themselves, making themselves up, pretending that they are true and real, all playing with themselves and so forth, all self invented chunks of pure existence and such).
    Up until now I have always tried to force my fantasies to be somehow related, or associated with some reality, now that is all over, now that the scientists have mapped the brain, my game is over, I lost, now I could care less, now I will bluntly and proudly and boldly hose science, logic and reality, and being true and real, finally free, free to lie as much as I want, free to make up anything as incredible as I want, totally free from truth, this prison guard, free from all, invent, play around, have fun and don’t let anyone know, society and people and reality just wants to spoil everything for you, just wants to be a party pooper, get them all out of the way, have fun and invent the wildest of the wildest, finally free…
    8 APES

  322. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 7:00 am #

    now I could care less
    ==========
    Should be:
    now I couldn’t care less

  323. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 7:37 am #

    1) Capitalist countries purposely plan for a low rate of inflation (rather than stable prices) because they believe this will spur economic growth.
    2) Kyoo says: “All inflation is theft, whether 2% or hyper.” and admits he supports capitalism.
    3) Therefore, Kyoo supports organized theft.

  324. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 8:00 am #

    Marx predicted that capitalism would lead to:
    **high unemployment
    ** falling rate of profits
    ** business crises
    ** increasing concentration of industry into a few hands
    ** mounting misery and alienation.
    Adam Smith argued that the rational and calculating capitalists, in following their self-interest, promote social good.
    Marx argued that in rationally and purposefully pursuing their economic advantage, the capitalists will sow the seeds of their own destruction.
    Looking at CFN, and reading JHK, who was right about capitalism based on self-interest?

  325. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 8:10 am #

    “We’re destroying the finest military in the world at a time when we need it most,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. “I can’t explain it. It is beyond my ability to explain it to people.”
    ==========
    1) The USA military is not the finest military. It does not win wars with people dressed in pajamas (Viet Cong) or robes (Taliban) even after trying for more than a decade in each war.
    2) The USA military is rife with corruption and waste, and is itself the most wasteful consumer of fossil fuels in the world.
    3) A cut of 50% might make the USA military more efficient and closing half the military bases would reduce sexual assault and rape of women living near those bases.

  326. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 8:16 am #

    CFN conventional wisdom says we are in an economic depression, that the recovery is false, people are unemployed and broke, etc.
    DETROIT — Just three years out of bankruptcy, Chrysler posted a $1.7 billion profit in 2012 and said it expects to earn more than $2 billion this year. Improving U.S. auto sales – and better products at Chrysler – were the big reasons that last year’s profit was nine times higher than the profit of $183 million in 2011.
    Nobody has any money, the recovery is fake, but auto sales are up? CFN sure is gullible… and ideological… and cynical. Bad combo.

  327. progress4conserving January 30, 2013 at 8:42 am #

    “How would you react if someone kidnapped you at gunpoint, chained you to the bottom of a boat, took you across an ocean to a foreign land, where you did not know the culture or the language, and then berated you and said you were the cause of “friction” because you were not “assimilating”?”
    First, I would curse the Blacks of neighboring tribes who sold me into slavery.
    Next I would have worked to make myself useful to my masters (as successful slaves did for all of human history until 1865) so as to gain back some happiness.
    I would have sired children, hoping for their eventual freedom.
    When that freedom came, I would expect my grandchildren to rejoice, and make themselves fit into society. When the 1960’s came, I would expect my gggrandchildren to learn to speak standard English, so as to compete in standard society.
    If my ggggrandchildren found themselves, angry, named Jaquinta or JaQuervious, and speaking an unintelligible dialect of Ebonics – I would feel very sad, that they had fallen under the spell of Jessee..Jackson..asoka…
    I would be sad, but I would not be surprised – when my gggggrandchildren found themselves outcompeted by millions of immigrants that immigrated under the cover of Jessee..asoka..and others like them.
    And I would not be surprised to find my gggggrandchildren living in prisons and FEMA camps after the collapse of the United States.
    Although I would be terribly sad.
    And, oh yeah, those Blacks that I cursed?
    Their gggrandchildren came to live under men like Mugabe and Amin.
    Serves them mutha’ fuckers right, don’t it!!
    http://www.africaw.com/forum/f17/the-mad-men-of-africa-worst-african-dictators-t2483/
    ====================
    Going out into severe weather.
    Somebody wish me luck.

  328. whitehunter January 30, 2013 at 8:51 am #

    Good luck!

  329. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    Good luck in the severe weather, P4C!

  330. Jimmy Drinkwater January 30, 2013 at 9:12 am #

    A facet of the immigration debate little discussed is what LEGAL immigrants think of illegal immigration.
    The one person I know most outspoken against illegal immigration of all my contacts is my wife, herself a legal immigrant from Mexico. She did the due diligence, worked and studied hard, played by the rules and paid the price. For her the idea of anyone just waltzing in illegally is abhorrent and according to her that goes for the overwhelming legal immigrant community she is personally in touch with. That also holds true for populations with similar status across the country as a quick search of google for
    “hispanics/latinos/legal immigrants/etc against illegal immigration” will attest.
    In the work she does for a social service agency she sees the hypocrisy of administers and bureaucrats first hand as they hold outreach programs to enroll illegal immigrants into programs to fill head counts necessary to maintain their publicly funded budgets (and their own high salary positions) while at the same time returning home to their gated communities and snob zoned suburbs.
    She is also convinced that among the consequences of illegal immigration are increased competition for fewer jobs in a soft economy, downward pressure on wages, and higher housing costs due to multiple illegal immigrants willing to share rents with a number living together. Typically what has happened nearby is landlords willing to look the way but of course then raising rents substantially.
    This is a view from street level and not likely to register much with those similar to the types aforementioned; hypocrites who cheer-lead the cause of the illegals while snuggling up safely in their cozy, homogeneous bubble.
    “Idealism increases in direct proportion to
    ones distance from the problem.”
    John Galsworthy

  331. budizwiser January 30, 2013 at 9:20 am #

    Asoka – your post is a good example of narrow mindedness. And an invalid argument as well. Each of us will post content that we see as important or relevant, discarding mountains of data we can’t possibly begin to assimilate.
    The important issues concerning the future of humanity are intrinsically complicated. And for the most part impossible to describe or exemplify in a few sentences.
    We live in an interdependent world with centrally managed/controlled systems that provide for our social as well as personal comforts and well being.
    Some of us are alarmed that profligate consumption of critical globally-distributed resources will soon affect the quality of our lives. The cause for this alarm is in knowing the weakness of our life-status position in dependence on all these centrally managed systems.
    Of course much of the Clusterfuck surrounding this assumption lies in whether the resource shortages effects will appear “sooner or later.”
    So can I request that you elaborate on your perspectives regarding the vast amounts of discretionary energy consumption that make the world as it is – and when you project for it to diminish?

  332. insufferable January 30, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    There may be 322 responses so far ….but 290 are just one person. ASOKA. this person obviously is either unemployed or works for the government. He is such an ass kisser that he would report his own mother to
    the authorities if she were to say something negative about the government. What an idiot. He should be banned or limited in the amount of stupidity he is allowed to write about OMG. How is it possible that one human being can be so thick

  333. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    There may be 322 responses so far ….but 290 are just one person. ASOKA. this person obviously is either unemployed or works for the government. He is such an ass kisser that he would report his own

    Slow day at the honeypot.

  334. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    Yeah, I worked with a “legal” immigrant from Mexico. He was a Machiavellian, sycophantic, kiss-up-kick-down scum-sucking Bastard. To call that “legal” is a farce. I’ll take “illegal” over that, any day. Who could ever forget Gerardo, that little weasel who would sell his own daughter, wife and mother to climb the Corporate Ladder? He was Upper Management’s Pet Burrito, and man, did he play the part well. Still does, no doubt.
    Arbitrage is what keeps immigration in motion. Eliminate that, and the immigration issue is moot. Barring that, the ONLY thing that will change migration will be the end of cheap, abundant energy. But hey, if you feel the need to form your own Golden Dawn (more like Golden Shower) Party, then have at it.

  335. ComradeDystopia January 30, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    I’ll be staying out of the internecine conflicts on this site. For me all informed opinions are welcome. What interests me is JHKs take on things. He seems to have real insight as to what ails us.
    How interesting it is that the price of crude rises as the Dow and S&P rises, signalling a stronger economy. Oil at nearly $100 per barrel puts a lie on the assertion that new oil discoveries inside the US makes us ‘Energy Independent’. Why is it still historically so expensive, then? It would stand to reason that if petroleum were suddenly plentiful the price would drop to the traditional $20 per barrel, where it stood for years. I think we are being sold a bill of goods. We don’t have the blatant, lying political propaganda places like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia had. But its beginning to come close.
    Also, why is the Dow and S&P so strong, and the real American economy so perceptibly weak? Its hard to figure out.

  336. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    Arbitrage:
    The practice of taking advantage of price differences between markets.
    &
    Golden Dawn

  337. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    CFN conventional wisdom says we are in an economic depression, that the recovery is false, people are unemployed and broke, etc.
    DETROIT — Just three years out of bankruptcy, Chrysler posted a $1.7 billion profit in 2012 and said it expects to earn more than $2 billion this year. Improving U.S. auto sales – and better products at Chrysler – were the big reasons that last year’s profit was nine times higher than the profit of $183 million in 2011.
    Nobody has any money, the recovery is fake, but auto sales are up? CFN sure is gullible… and ideological… and cynical. Bad combo.

  338. Jimmy Drinkwater January 30, 2013 at 10:02 am #
  339. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    Yes, let the Good Times Roll Again.
    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/05/chrysler-sales-growth-fueled-by-subprime-loans/

    Automotive News reports Chrysler owes some of its recent sales success to a resurgence of subprime loans. Chrysler has a history of working with customers burdened with questionable finance histories, and lenders have begun to loosen credit restrictions. As a result, 29 out of every 100 auto loans for new Chrysler models went to buyers with a credit score under 680 in the first quarter of this year. Experian Automotive classifies loans tied to that credit score as subprime. What’s more, nearly 21 percent of Dodge sales through May went to buyers with annual interest rates of 10 percent or more on an average term of 71 months.
    The report says that on the whole, just eight percent of all new car loans have interest rates of 10 percent or more. Even so, Chrysler’s sales are up 33 percent through the first five months of 2012, besting the industry average by around 20 percent. On the whole, Automotive News reports subprime lending in the new car market has returned to its pre-recession levels.

  340. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    No, it was/is Gerardo, a common name for males in Mexico. Weird that you wouldn’t know that since your wife is of Mexican descent. One would expect that you would be steeped in that culture, and as such, would be familiar with some of the more common names.
    Gerardo wasn’t my Pet Burrito (he was Upper Management’s cute, chubby little pet Mexican), and the color of his skin mattered not to me. His character, or lack thereof, is what mattered. I have met many “illegal” immigrants with much more character than this “legal” charlatan.

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  342. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    MORE GOOD NEWS
    ** Business spending on equipment and software rose after shrinking over the summer.
    ** Consumer spending added 1.5 percentage points to GDP, stronger than in the third quarter.
    ** Business investment added 1.1 points – both stronger contributions than in the third quarter.
    ** And for all of 2012, the economy expanded 2.2 percent, better than 2011’s growth of 1.8 percent.
    “Frankly, this is the best-looking contraction in U.S. GDP you’ll ever see,” Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics, said in a note to clients. “The drag from defense spending and inventories is a one-off. The rest of the report is all encouraging.”
    And for all of 2012, the economy expanded 2.2 percent, better than 2011’s growth of 1.8 percent.

  343. Benr January 30, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    @asoka..
    Odd mix of boot licking and military hating.
    Most everything I have read you post is a mix of half truths and out right lies.
    Tell me if your own mother said something bad about oBAMa would you send her to the gulag as well?
    Are you just bored and trolling?
    To the rest of the CFN gang someone on a military or government line reading blogs such as this may just be a bored System Admin and not a fed playing at operation sock puppet.
    Some simple truths.
    The one is a liar beholden to TBTF banks, K Street, and Goldmann Sachs want proof follow who he throws money at.
    The US is not in a recovery jobless or otherwise.
    That 2% increase in taxes is the same as the Senior Bush “read my lips no new taxes” moment.
    Everything in big bank finance is fraud and based solely upon privitizing wealth and collectivizing risk on the backs of we the blood bags. Everything else is a game of musical chairs and the powers that be are hoping to kick the can down the road and sit down before the music stops.

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  345. ozone January 30, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    “Also, why is the Dow and S&P so strong, and the real American economy so perceptibly weak? Its hard to figure out.” -CD
    That is a bit odd, isn’t it?
    Economic pundits (blowhards) are falling all over themselves to loudly pretend that the figures don’t mean what they mean this morning.
    We’ll just go to one of the main internet propaganda organs for a dose of this dichotomy, shall we?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/us-economy-contracts-first-time-3-1-2-years-1B8174851
    Confused as to cause and effect yet? Mighty hard not to be, based on the Pushme-Pullyou nature of this bullshittery. The one thing that is admitted to is that the economy is in contraction, and has been for the last three months.
    (The paid serial liar will now attempt to nit-pick and pooh-pooh his way out of/around this assertion. It’s an unfortunate waste of blog space and sloppy mecenary “soldiering”.)

  346. ozone January 30, 2013 at 11:36 am #

    Also, let us note the obvious, as sometimes it helps with context:
    Blowhards of the “mainstream” (mainline) economic punditry type’s lifestyle expenses depend directly on appearing relevant and blowing sunshine and unicorns up the asses of the lumpen publick to keep the scheme rolling along. We can depend on there being very little truth-telling in their revelations.
    Once you’ve been lied to enough, you cease to be anxious about it and begin to make your own way forward DESPITE (and as a direct consequence of, and opposition to) the howlings of paid liars and practitioners of legerdemain. This is the massive hole in their armor plating that hubris will not allow them to see. (Ask a Soviet-era Russian.)

  347. ozone January 30, 2013 at 11:38 am #

    Is there an “r” in mercenary?
    ‘Guess so! ;o)

  348. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    It is bad juju, that such an obvious revelation of the oneness of things previously believed to be different should go so unnoticed. This coincidentia oppositorum of late night droolings. Pulling the duty sucks.
    Consequently why not talk to blog drones?

  349. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    The link is off. Drop down below the blog drone.

  350. ozone January 30, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    Why not, indeed?
    Your reference is most interesting.
    http://www.springerreference.com/docs/html/chapterdbid/70293.html
    I s’pose if you don’t ponder at least one new thing per day, WTF are you DOING anyway??
    I see bad juju everywhere, and the falseness of the “meme-o-sphere” (tm JHK) is the MAIN CAUSE. The wages of desperate delusions, crushed, are berserkers’ madness. The sooner we do away with lies and misdirection in the service of false hopes, the better.

  351. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    @asoka.. Odd mix of boot licking and military hating.
    Most everything I have read you post is a mix of half truths and out right lies.
    ==========
    I tell my truth, not lies.
    So how is it you think something I post is a lie? Because it doesn’t fit with your preconceptions? Or because you have ties to the military and think a military is necessary?
    What method do you use to distinguish “lies” from “truth”? Could be helpful to everyone if you would share that.
    Thanks!

  352. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    So how is it you determine is bad ju ju or falseness? Because it doesn’t fit with your preconceptions?
    What method do you use to distinguish “falseness” from “truth”? Could be helpful to everyone if you would share that.
    Thanks!

  353. ozone January 30, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    I give you, Exhibit #4057.

  354. Lucky 13 January 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    Thank you, Mister I.
    He is insufferable!
    “Arbitrage is what keeps immigration in motion”
    How so?

  355. Lucky 13 January 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    “Also, why is the Dow and S&P so strong, and the real American economy so perceptibly weak? Its hard to figure out.”
    Main Street / Wall Street disconnect.
    The 2 Americas.
    The rich and the rest of us.
    Those with a million and up and whats left of the middle class.

  356. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Economic pundits (blowhards) are falling all over themselves to loudly pretend that the figures don’t mean what they mean this morning.
    =============
    Funny how they really do mean something when the news is negative. But it’s mainstream lies when the news is positive.
    Maybe you should look at that, ozone, and ask why you won’t believe any good news. I guess it’s just easier to say it’s all bullshit, then you don’t have to think at all. But then you have to go and post you cynical negative spin here. Sigh.

  357. stelmosfire January 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

    Hey A, I can tell a liar from a mile away. I have dealt with serial liars my entire career. Lieing by omission is a specialty of mine. Druggies, drug seekers, people abusers, you name it. It is all in the eyes. Post a picture please so I can get a read on you!!! :o). Here is my picture>
    http://www.funnypica.com/top-30-funny-ugly-people-pictures/funny-picture-of-ugly-indian/

  358. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

    In an April 2012 Gallup poll, 53 percent of respondents said they had money invested in the stock market.
    =============
    Yeah, the stock market has nothing to do with main street, except half the country is invested in it. (That 53% includes the 1%)

  359. Lucky 13 January 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

    Get thee to the ‘Tightwad Gazette’.
    I can feel for you, keep us informed.
    Maybe you are ripe for Reality TV. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

  360. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    “Arbitrage is what keeps immigration in motion”
    How so?

    http://www.pegnet.ifw-kiel.de/projects/conference-2007/ku.pdf

    Labor Migration as Price Arbitrage: Evidence from Mexican Workers in the U.S.
    A well-known empirical regularity in international economics is that purchasing
    power parity does not hold in the short run and the real costs of living in poor countries
    tend to be lower than in rich ones. This paper argues that the asymmetric purchasing power of di¤erent currencies can induce migration from poor to rich countries even in the absence of a positive real wage premium. By earning a wage in the rich host country and spending part or all of it in the source country, where the real costs of
    living are lower, migrants can gain in terms of utility, if not in terms of real wages in the conventional sense. This in turn suggests that migrant workers may be more willing to work for low-paying jobs in the host country to the extent that the currency of the host country is overvalued. This paper presents a micro-founded model of international migration and remittances, and tests its key implications on the basis
    of the Mexican Migration Project (MMP) dataset, which documents the U.S.-bound migration experiences of Mexican workers. By exploiting the exogenous variation in the U.S.-Mexico real exchange rate and the characteristics of migrant workers, it ?nds that as the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar in Mexico goes up, the probability that a Mexican migrant in the U.S. works for a low-paying job increases.

  361. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    Here’s a photo with eyes.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/4777087042/

  362. ozone January 30, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Another thing we might want to keep in mind is that the pretend person, “asoka”, belongs part-and-parcel, bag-and-baggage to the meme-o-sphere (tm JHK). This is what JHK is talking about, “made flesh” right before our wondering eyes.
    That is not a benign thing; it’s corrosive and distractionary (a direct and purposeful off-shoot of the divide and conquer strategy).
    No further questions in this regard? Good then.

  363. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    Yeah, the stock market has nothing to do with main street, except half the country is invested in it. (That 53% includes the 1%)

    Wonder how many of those respondents were Drug Kingpins and how many were “illegal” immigrants. When the chips are down, you can always rely on the Drug Lords to bail out the institutions that are Too Big Too Fail.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/dec/13/drug-money-banks-saved-un-cfief-claims

    Drugs money worth billions of dollars kept the financial system afloat at the height of the global crisis, the United Nations’ drugs and crime tsar has told the Observer.
    Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were “the only liquid investment capital” available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result.

  364. ozone January 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    Would you like to know a little about what “asoka’s” paymasters/owners are up to?
    Maybe you do… maybe you don’t.
    Lookee here:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33749.htm
    Legal definitions of stttt….a,te, emeknees is being constantly redefined to allow wider “latitude” for authority figures and their lackeys, and I think you can figure out what that means for the near future.

  365. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

    a direct and purposeful off-shoot of the divide and conquer strategy
    ============
    LOL!
    What is being divided? What is being conquered?

  366. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    ozone, did you read what you linked to?
    the agency has intercepted between 15 and 20 trillion communications
    Those of you with any critical thinking skills can now free yourselves from paranoia about government profiling. The government is not omnipotent, not even efficient when it comes to intelligence gathering and defense matters.
    Ken Adelman, formerly an assistant to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, promised us “Cakewalk in Iraq.”

  367. ozone January 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    Everything old is new again:
    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33148.html
    …and vice versa.
    It’s not actually a laughing matter, in my opinion, others seem to have a different frame of reference, caused by financial compensation. (What’s that hoary old story about some “pieces of silver”? I forget.)

  368. xhalor January 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    “In an April 2012 Gallup poll, 53 percent of respondents said they had money invested in the stock market.”
    ——————————————-
    So the 47% that don’t…are these the people that Mitt Romney was referring to?

  369. ozone January 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    I would suggest that an actual watching of the video is much more instructive than someone else’s diversionary obfuscations and prevarications.
    Sorry, some things just can’t be spun into a more comforting meme, and disregard doesn’t just make things “go away”.

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  371. ozone January 30, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    I heard the whistle; woo-hoo! Shift change!

  372. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    I’m 23 minutes in. So far I know that quObama knows what kind of dog food I like but no mention of actual interference of basic Americans dog freedom yet. It’d better be coming because I know it’s happening. Paws crossed.
    I’ll be taking a break to observe the interesting things the stat counter statistics continue to reveal from time to time.

  373. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    basic American

  374. mistified January 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    “Carbon tax? In my state they are considering taxing miles driven- a wonderful idea. Tax ‘em all, and let God sort them out.”
    Well it figures you would live is a state governed by morons, you know, “Birds of a feather?'”
    But I digress. I noticed how you are a a bit of a heavy breather, lil’ Justy. Which means that you are spewing more carbon dioxide than I. That is not right. You shouldn’t get off scott free. You should be taxed if you spew more than the mean. I mean, its only fair. Pay up or shut up, sucka’.

  375. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    It’s not actually a laughing matter, in my opinion
    =============
    It is a laughing matter, in my opinion.
    We’ll both know, next Tuesday at 2, which one of us is right about imminent collapse, government takeovers, etc. Ain’t happenin’…

  376. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    next Tuesday at 2

    Is that the next planned “spree shooting?” DoD would know, wouldn’t they? How lonely it is to be the Hard-Hearted Empaths…..to know that you must destroy the World to save it.

  377. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    Amazing. So you personal experience with a bad legal immigrant means we should prefer illegal ones? Are we expected to take this a real argument?
    Arbitage? In other words, drag America down to the level of Mexico and the 3rd World as a way of stopping illegal immigration? Are you proposing that as the answer? Your Jewish roots are showing again – just like Geraldo. The line of descent goes through the Mother – in contrast with real, ancient Judaism which went through the Father.
    Yes, that’s why the Republican Party is being self destructed by its own Elite: otherwise it might become a Golden Dawn like Party that was for America.
    Kdog and Ozone: whaddya think of your buddy now?

  378. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    the agency has intercepted between 15 and 20 trillion communications
    =========
    I am looking through the communications to find more about you, as you have allowed yourself to become a victim of ozone’s paranoia.
    Free yourself from paranoia about government profiling. The government is not omnipotent, not even efficient, when it comes to intelligence gathering and defense matters. Relax.

  379. Rhino January 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

    Kyoo,
    So much Asoka bullshit. Where to start?
    Exchange rates: in 2003 the Canadian dollar was trading at about 65 cents US. It’s now trading at roughly parity. One Canadian Buck for One US Buck. For people with two minutes to spare you can easily look up exchange rates.
    What does this mean? It means a deliberately debased USD. No more, no less.
    The day will come when some of the geniuses in the bond markets wake up and realize what the Chinese already realize, that thanks to Greenspan and Bernanke their balance sheets are stuffed with crap, bonds denominated in a currency conjured by a corrupt Fed and and a Fed run by cretins (see Fed minutes from 2007).
    You’re right about how to define inflation BTW and its effects. And I’ve heard complaints that the deluge of money from the Fed is causing grief in other countries through inflation and exchange rate instability. Never mind official inflation stats. If American govt statistical agencies are full of shit, other countries’ agencies are even more so.
    And to those of us that are not blind to the reality around us, this deliberate debasement of the USD via the Fed’s incontinent money creation has been going on since the 1990s. Suppressing a general rise in prices in the US is the steady decline in purchasing power in the US economy because of the offshoring of good paying jobs to places like China (which no doubt Asoka welcomes).
    What we’ve seen so far as a direct consequence of all this money creation is a sequence of asset booms and busts, each bust more disastrous than the last. And now the boom in bonds. Stay tuned for the bust. Bonds markets are OK with something until they aren’t.
    Look at what the Chinese are doing. They’re busy buying up hard, productive assets around the world. Like what? Like farmland in Africa, oil sands operations in Canada. Why do you think the boys and girls in China are taking a pass on buying US govt debt and going on a global shopping spree? They don’t trust the Fed nor the fiscal viability of the US government nor the value of the US dollar.
    A deep and liquid US dollar and bond market? Yeah sure like a cesspool full of counterfeit currency.

  380. Rhino January 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    The boys on Wall Street be laughing their asses off. Did you hear? Mary Jo White (don’t mess with Mary Jo ) newly nominated by Obama to run the SEC, made a wagon load of loot as a lawyer defending the Wall Street banks she’s been hired to supposedly police. You can’t make this shit up.
    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/nominee-for-sheriff-has-worn-banks-hat/
    I don’t know what you think about this but it’s a bit like a Mafia defence (sorry “defense”) attorney being appointed as the head of a commission to investigate and root out organized crime. If I was a betting man I’d put my money on the gangsters.

  381. Kyooshtik January 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    Also, why is the Dow and S&P so strong, and the real American economy so perceptibly weak? Its hard to figure out.
    ===========
    are
    Anyone who has spent time in the corporate world has encountered one of those calculators that are intended to help you plan for retirement. If you put x amount every payday into a 401K that will grow at y percent you will arrive at retirement with a z sized pile. Taking into account tax deferral, life expectancy, etc the calculator usually hints that you should perhaps make that amount going into your 401K 2x if you want to even come close to the style of living you are accustomed to.
    Ah, I remember those old days. The calculator program would give you a little drop-down box containing percentages for your factor y growth assumption. It might read 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 and 15 percent. Conservative “weenies” like me would enter 5% or, if feeling perky that day, maybe 7.5%. The gamblers, the A-type personalities, those with the big cojones (sp?) would invariably enter 10 or 12.5%.
    Well, we have all learned how useless those growth assumptions have turned out to be. The idle money in my checking account, say $5K, earns me about 4 cents per month. My wife has a $10K 18-month CD with an annual interest rate of .65% — read carefully, that is 65/100ths of 1%. In a year’s time it earns us enough for dinner and a movie (if we forgo the wine).
    As it began to sink into the heads of these old conservative types that it was near impossible to make any money in fixed investments they began to gravitate to “the [stock] market.” Further, they soon learned that the best they were ever going to do would be to invest in stodgy old blue chips with dividend yields of 2.5 – 5%. Oh how our growth assumptions have changed.
    So the market bottomed out in March 2009 and the smart money (Wall St insiders) began to pile in and the market rose. We old farts were too shell shocked having seen the equities portion of our 401Ks cut in half and were none too willing to go back in the water. Well, by sometime in 2012 the shock had become merely a dull but persistent anxiety so many old toes tested the waters and began to like it. Now, with the DOW surprisingly close to a new all-time high there is a flood of money exiting fixed income and going into equities. Demand = higher prices and demand does not necessarily equate to a fundamentally sound economy. One has to employ a common sense sanity check to get a read on the economy. I look at my long unemployed neighbor Joe whose house I expect one day will collapse around his ears. And I look at my college degreed son whose job pays so little that he and the girl he shacks up with (in Facebook it’s called being “in a relationship”) literally dumpster dive to make ends meet.
    This is why the Dow and S&P are so strong.

  382. mistified January 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    I don’t have a fucking idea what you are trying to say. Not a farthing of a clue. But I did notice the word Volvo and the number 1800.
    The Volvo P 1800 was one fuck of a beautiful automobile. It was also a workhorse as there is an existing 1800 that is about to turn its 3 millionth mile.
    Having said that, I hope you are not a spy, trying to pass as an American. Should that be the case, make certain to spend most of your time, looking over your shoulder.

  383. Rhino January 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    You said it.
    And then there’s the Fed and its QE. “Stimulus” they call it. Total bullshit. Biggest fucking joke going. Stimulate what? To what end? To keep factories in China humming? I’m sure the Chinese are grateful. After all it’s the thought that counts.
    But then the question is how does the Fed walk back all this stimulus? Is it even possible?
    I used to hear that the Fed could and would. But I’ve heard talking heads on TV say that it can’t. Not happening ever. The Fed would have to sell the bonds that it bought with all that printed money. And who would buy? Nobody?
    As Kyoo said (and I’ve had the same thoughts) what’s the diff between the Fed and a counterfeiter? If you know enough to ask the question then you know the answer. How long before Americans hear the term “full faith and credit” and say “bullshit”? They’ll look at the scrip in their wallets, the numbers on their bank and mutual fund statements and see that it’s all a con, that it’s all meaningless bullshit.
    There will come a time when people stop listening to the Fed’s bullshit. People once said “Don’t fight the Fed”. Hah! You just watch. The Fed will conduct meetings, the Fed will say this, the Fed will say that. And it will all be like a Vatican pronouncement.
    Look at the Vatican. The Pope as shadow Roman Emperor, the Curia as shadow Roman Senate. But they’re just shadows, ghosts of an dead empire.
    How long before the American government and economy turn into the same thing? Versions of the Pope and Cardinals, lurching walking dead, going through the motions in pointless ceremonies.
    So you remember the communist regimes in the 1970s and 1980s trotting out bullshit about spectacular successes of the latest 5 year Plan. Life has never been better they trumpetted. But people had long stopped listening to communist bullshit. The people saw reality on the ground. The communists had even stopped believing their own bullshit. And after teetering for a while those regimes went down like a house of cards.
    So at some point people, like those in dead and buried communist regimes, will stop believing and start ridiculing bullshit government stats that utterly defy belief. Like bullshit inflation and bullshit unemployment numbers. Oh and bullshit social security lockboxes. They’ll stop listening to bullshitting bullshitters in the economics and accounting professions. They’ll stop listening to 28 year old mutual fund reps bullshitting about 8% annual returns in the mythical never to be achieved “long term” and the grinning chimps in the real estate rackets bullshitting about it being the time to buy. And, like the old commies, all these bullshitters will stop uttering all this bullshit having realized that nobody believes it.
    And so the system does another 2008. But, instead of the turds just swirling around and around, the next time they go right down the pipe.

  384. mistified January 30, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    “And, like the old commies, all these bullshitters will stop uttering all this bullshit having realized that nobody believes it.”
    Please. You already don’t believe. Neither do I. Neither do millions. They will never stop. Bullshitters bullshit. It is their perceived purpose in life.

  385. Kyooshtik January 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    The government is not omnipotent, not even efficient, when it comes to intelligence gathering and defense matters.
    ==============
    In the areas of intelligence and defense the govt is a fuck-up. In everything else, food stamps, education, social welfare, fiscal responsibility, govt is a thing of beauty…that runs like a Swiss watch. [Sarcasm Off]

  386. BROOMSGOAT January 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    Obviously, undeniably, and to which will be validated by history, #8.

  387. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    You make a desert and call it peace. You make a dessert (filled with sacharine) and call it meat.

  388. CaptSpaulding January 30, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    I check in on CFN a couple times a week, and it’s apparent from the amount of skipping over I have to do, that asoka usually takes over from about wednesday on. Somehow you guys can’t keep yourselves from responding to his Politically Correct cliches, which he only uses to provoke comments, which only serves to validate him. Oh well, if you don’t know how to handle a troll, there won’t be many solutions regarding peak oil or anything else.

  389. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    The use and misuse of statistics. I read about an actuary who had cancer and his survival probability didn’t look good. So he gave up. When cajoled by his wife and children he said, if those figures are wrong, that means my life meant nothing.
    Christ said few are saved. But he also said strive to be one of them. This instance is a classic philosophical mistake: the conflation to two realms; in this case the factual with the conative. The man should have fought to be one of the winners in the table.
    It also works the other way. In public policy, you shouldn’t legislate for the exceptions and then tell the majority of losers that they should try harder. That is exactly what America has done for a century and is whole purpose of the Horatio Alger mythos in all its variations. One should legistlate for the majority and let the extraordinarily gifted and/or rich take care of themselves.
    In schools nowadays, they want everyone to be above average – another gross logical fallacy that can only bring trouble. Teach towards the middle since the dumb can’t be helped and the brilliant will teach themselves. Better yet, separate the three: only that would be justice in the fullest sense.

  390. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    The Fed is full of bullshit but Fred isn’t. And he said diversity is going to “get us”. Sorry, Fred is our authority now. And he agrees with me not thee.

  391. Kyooshtik January 30, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    Christ said few are saved. But he also said strive to be one of them.
    ===========
    I believe the quote is “Many are called but few are chosen.”

  392. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    I believe this is the verse Radu meant:
    “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

  393. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    Thank you, Capt for that observation. Always enjoy your comments. Y’all come back now… we’ll leave the light on for you.

  394. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

    We are in number 5 right now.

  395. Kyooshtik January 30, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    I believe this is the verse Radu meant:
    “Enter by the narrow gate;………etc
    ==========
    Whatever.

  396. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    Bullsheet.

  397. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    Dumpster diving? Together? Boys and girls? Sounds pretty romantic: dark, tight, private. We all know what happens between boys and girls in places like that.

  398. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

    Oh well, if you don’t know how to handle a troll, there won’t be many solutions regarding peak oil or anything else.
    I know I’ve been thinking the same thing. To be fair this troll has super powers. But I’ve found his mud hut!
    Ft. Huachuca AZ

  399. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    Kdog and Ozone: whaddya think of your buddy now?
    Amazing what a little dip in the doggie dish can do.

  400. Collapse Watch January 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    Amazing. So you personal experience with a bad legal immigrant means we should prefer illegal ones? Are we expected to take this a real argument?

    By Gawd, I believe you’ve gotten the point. My experience and observations are anecdotal, just as Jimmy’s experience and observations are anecdotal.
    “Legal” doesn’t mean anything to me when it comes to immigration. You brought up Enoch Powell. It was clear that the majority of British citizens were not in support of the immigration policies foisted upon them by the British Aristocracy. But it was legal. So much for legal. Legal and Illegal Immigration are one and the same, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t distinguish between the two, because unlike you, I’m not a Classist.
    By the way, you don’t appear to have learned from Enoch Powell’s mistake. He pushed too hard, and by doing so, he forced further into existence that which he opposed. And here you are doing the same damn thing. Learn from mistakes, don’t repeat them.

    Arbitage? In other words, drag America down to the level of Mexico and the 3rd World as a way of stopping illegal immigration? Are you proposing that as the answer?

    That’s one possibility that can arise from removing arbitrage. Another is that you raise the standard of living in the country that is experiencing emigration. Or, both countries meet somewhere in between as far as standard of living is concerned. The Plutocrats are clever and conniving, though, and ten steps ahead. They like Mexico as a Narco-State. It allows them perpetuate their treachery in relative obscurity and blame it on yet another puppet government which “they” control. Also, it allows for for their own personal arbitrage schemes. That’s why they have created opposition to any notion of a North American Union, and engaged the Right Wing Nutters to attack the Strawman they created. Now, no one would even think about it. And that’s exactly the outcome they desire.
    Ask George Soros about currency arbitrage. It’s how he made his fortune, and how he continues to make a fortune.
    Anyhow, arbitrage will not cease until humans cease, so my point was that it will be the end of cheap abundant energy that will mitigate migration and immigration. However, at that point, you just may be begging to migrate and emigrate yourself, but you’ll be shit out of luck, and hoisted by your own petard.

    Your Jewish roots are showing again – just like Geraldo. The line of descent goes through the Mother – in contrast with real, ancient Judaism which went through the Father.

    Well, whether you want to believe it, or not, I was raised Roman Catholic, however, you may be right. My Mother did fetch me from a basket she found floating peacefully down the Susquehanna River when she and my Father were out on their Yacht one sunny summer Sunday afternoon. I still have the swaddling blanket. It has a Levite pattern to it. So, who knows.

  401. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    I used to attract blog drones. Now I attract silence.

  402. ComradeDystopia January 30, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

    “…Mary Jo White, appointed to regulate the Wall Street firms she made millions representing …”
    Rhino, odd nobody said that on the Evening News. According to Brian Williams etc., this was the greatest govt. appointment since Washington made Alexander Hamilton Secretary of the Treasury.

  403. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    Oh well, if you don’t know how to handle a troll, there won’t be many solutions regarding peak oil or anything else.
    =========
    This is a rather depressing observation by the good Capt. … but he is right. The best thing we could do is stop ad hominem comments and just reply to the substance of comments.
    Congratulations, K-Dog, on thinking you found my mud hut!
    Ft. Huachuca AZ, believed home of this Black buffalo soldier. Dream on!
    3:33:33 dot dot

  404. ozone January 30, 2013 at 7:30 pm #

    I have no idea what in the little lord fuck-leroy he’s jabbering about.
    (I TOLD him not to put those lederhosen in the dryer. Geez, you try to help some people out…)

  405. ozone January 30, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    This is because you have found your peaceful center, Grasshopper, where none may intrude.
    ;o)

  406. ozone January 30, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    This is because you have found your peaceful center, Grasshopper, where none may intrude.
    ;o)

  407. ozone January 30, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

    (Sorry for the double intrusion.)

  408. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    When you double post and then post again to apologize, you have just made a triple intrusion. No biggie. It can happen to anyone.

  409. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

    He was referring to P4C. He threw you in to befuddle.

  410. k-dog January 30, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    But now I must share my joy.

  411. IxNoMor January 30, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    That’s kinda wut I thought…

  412. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 8:55 pm #

    It’s an exciting time to be alive in the USA, especially if you are poor and uninsured. Beginning October 1, 2013, you will be able to begin to shop for health insurance that meets your needs at the new Health Insurance Marketplace at HealthCare.gov. Then on January 1, 2014, the start of new health insurance coverage for millions of Americans begins.
    This is an historic time for Americans who have never had health insurance, who had to go without insurance after losing a job or becoming sick, or who had been turned down because of a pre-existing condition.
    Because of these new marketplaces established under the Affordable Care Act, millions of Americans will have new access to affordable health insurance coverage.

  413. Lucky 13 January 30, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    As Kyoo said (and I’ve had the same thoughts) what’s the diff between the Fed and a counterfeiter?
    The latter might go to jail.
    The former gets richer and richer.

  414. Lucky 13 January 30, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    And the news ]according to AM Radio[ is Gores
    house in Tennessee is the largest user of electricity for a house in that state.
    [or estate]
    His estate is a real energy guzzler.
    Henry Morgan, repost yr post on Gores energy talk.

  415. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

    Obama has just prevented 4,700 heart attacks, 130,000 asthma attacks, and 11,000 early deaths. How? By getting an EPA rule in place (after two decades of resistance from the coal industry) to control mercury emissions from power plants.
    Obama pushed the EPA to adopt the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards, or MATS, which are stringent new regulations to limit not only mercury but also acid gases like hydrochloric acid, heavy metals like arsenic, and other toxic pollutants.
    The standards will eliminate 90 percent of the 53 tons of mercury emitted annually by coal-fired power plants in the United States.
    We ought to thank Obama for saving 11,000 American lives.

  416. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    Of course, China is still the world leader in working toward clean coal by replacing coal burning plants with the latest technology.
    China is installing some of the largest, most advanced coal units in the world using SC and USC steam conditions and modern SOi/NO, and dust control systems.
    China’s 12th Five-Year Plan (2011 -2015) aims to cut carbon intensity, the ratio between changes in CO, emissions and gross domestic product.

  417. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    The resistance to cleaning coal production came from Bush, who refused to act, refused to push for the EPA rule on mercury emissions. It’s Bush’s fault so many thousands of Americans died.
    If you are paying attention, you will see Obama gives good speech, with pretty rhetoric, but then he follows it up with concrete action like the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards rule.

  418. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    Of course, utilizing clean coal technologies not only saves lives… it also produces jobs. Seven advanced coal facilities planned for Louisiana are expected to create some 190,000 job-years between now and 2025. In North Carolina, four planned CCS plants are estimated to generate 160,000 job-years in the same time frame. Wyoming is set to support an estimated 78,000 job-years between now and 2025 due to the construction of three advanced coal CCS plants. In every state where clean coal technologies will be employed, employment will be created. Less contamination, and more benefits for the middle class (7 million job years).
    SOURCE: From a 30-state study, the “Employment and Other Economic Benei ts from Advanced Coal Electric Generation with Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) Technologies”

  419. stelmosfire January 30, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    Do U Radu? Have u Ever been in a tight spot with a good woman? I kind of doubt it, the way in which you put them down. There is nothing better than the love of a good woman . One who has your back no matter what, births your children, and covers you no matter what. As long as you don’t treat her like shit, which I am sure you do not understand. So Go eat shit !!

  420. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm #

    Reserves of coal are abundant and more geographically spread over the world than crude oil and natural gas.
    The utilization of coal to produce a syngas via gasification processes is becoming a sustainability option because of the availability and the economic relevance of this fossil source in the present world energy scenario.
    You can read more about it here:
    Öztürk, Murat, Nuri Özek, and Yunus Emre Yüksel. “Gasification of various types of tertiary coals: A sustainability approach.” Energy Conversion & Management 56, (April 2012): 157-165.

  421. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    Calm down my primitive fellow. You are mad at me because I bested you two weeks ago. Now you are lashing out.
    Christians will face persecution in the decades to come so you may yet get to burn churches, desecrate altars, and beat people up. Just be patient.

  422. asoka.. January 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    One of the mistakes CFN makes is to focus almost exclusively on fossil fuels, while ignoring other potential sources of energy. No single source will replace fossil fuels. We will need a synergistic mix.
    For example, something I have never even seen mentioned on CFN are recent developments in turbine technology that allow the extraction of kinetic energy from tidal flows. Why is this a good idea?
    Because it is a method of renewable energy generation. Why should we care more? Because of the high predictability of tides, the low environmental impact with no land occupation, and the lower investment needed for tidal turbines.

  423. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Oh so the North American Union would actually hurt the Globalists. And a Union of North America, Europe, Africa, and South America would even hurt them more.
    You are a joke. Mexico isn’t our problem. It’s a separate Nation and Culture. We need a wall and to shoot anyone who comes over that wall. That’s it.
    Jews always take joy in pretending to be gentiles and then hurting the gentiles who have accepted them.

  424. Radu Voda January 30, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    I know, I know: no enemies to the Left. But this Collapse mutt is an out and out globalist. Have you no limit to your political loyalty? If not, then how are you better than the Masons and Bilderbergers? It’s life without principle.