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The Deep End of the Risk Pool

    Where on earth did Paul Krugman get the idea — expressed Monday morning — that ours is “a weak economy?” The Dow Jones Industrial Average is about to scale previously uncharted heights and the Standard & Poors Index is piling onto its molehill, too. If stocks are up the economy can’t be weak since stock markets = the economy. All the efforts of the Gitchi Manitou behind the operations of money, the Federal Reserve, are bent toward inflating the stock markets, including now the novelty of outright strategic stock purchases, so these stock markets must hold the secrets of economic life.
     Notice, the Federal Reserve is not inflating the precious metal markets. Rather, they might be inclined in the deep background to militate against them, or even engage in coordinated subversion of them. It would be convenient for the Fed if the public, increasingly befuddled by the absence of yield, the mis-pricing of risk, and the antics of Larry Kudlow, would just let go of its delusion that yellow and white metals had any intrinsic value — after all, you can’t eat them, can you? The weight of opinion is also against gold and silver. The redoubtable Martin Armstrong is even inveighing against them because, as he put it, these things trade only on the technicals, not fundamentals.
     This does raise a sticky question or two, of course, such as, what if the technicals are detached from the fundamentals, which is to say that the numbers and charts don’t jibe with reality? That may be possible, after all, when everything from interest rates to asset purchases are rigged and accounting fraud is the order-of-the-day in government and its larger-than-life handmaiden banks. Consider, for instance, that if our national government under Obama has continued the practical policies of the Bush II regime — wars, Gitmo, non-regulation and non-enforcement, wealth confiscation (and reassignment) — than it may have also continued the underlying principle that “we make our own reality.” In which case, the fundamentals are whatever you say they are and the technicals are just traffic lights on the freeway of “liquidity.”
     That perhaps explains why stock markets rise on both good and bad news. If a few more spec houses are being built in Las Vegas and Phoenix (where, I’m sure, they’re needed) then the stock markets go up. If a low manufacturers’ index comes out, well, then that’s fine, too, because the Federal Reserve puts up a smoke signal that it might increase its monthly bond-buying beyond the current $85 billion a month — meaning more liquidity to juice the stock markets, so up-up-and-away they go up. The stock markets apparently rocked on last week’s news that about 175,000 more car wash attendants were added to the work force, because that’s where the money is these days. If I were Warren Buffet or Jamie Dimon, I would consider part-time work in a car wash to plump up the family fortune.
     Consider, though, that when everything is mis-priced then nobody knows the value of anything, and when nobody knows anything and everyone is flying blind, then accidents can happen. Welcome to the deep end of the risk pool.
    Count Paul Krugman of The New York Times among those who don’t know anything and as you do that, consider also that societies get what they deserve, not what they expect. What Paul Krugman doesn’t know (because he never mentions it), for example, is that oil prices around $100 a barrel (the average between West Texas Intermediate and Brent Crude) crush industrial economies. That implacable downdraft is what motivates USGov.com and the Fed to intervene and manipulate the things that represent economic activity: currencies, asset values, interest rates, and markets, which in turn promotes the detachment of the technicals from fundamentals. Anyone actually paying attention to the weak signals coming through all the noise would hear the faint wail of desperation in the background.
      These financial metaphysics are apart from conditions on-the-ground all over the foundering empire, namely, an infrastructure for daily life that becomes more onerous and obsolete every day. When historians of the future swap their stories around the campfire, this age will be remembered for little more than all the useless movement of automobiles and the fate of the crumbling surfaces they moved about on. Not even Paul Krugman is capable of noticing how we live, and what it means.
     Well, spring has finally arrived in the bony northeast USA and I am preoccupied with cultivating my own garden. In honor of our heritage I planted two American chestnuts. The species was nearly put out of business in the first stirrings of the global economy, when previously unknown plant diseases arrived here with shipments of foreign botanicals. Now that the global economy is imploding, it is a favorable time to get with the older program, in which the technicals reflect the fundamentals.
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  1. jimbolio May 6, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    Good read, Jim.

  2. ozone May 6, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    James,
    Whoa! Consider the spankings administered.
    That that is some good, heavy, well-deserved snark.
    Thank you for your efforts every Monday; there are those of us who enjoy and appreciate them… really! ;o)
    (Somebody call the Nobel-wiener, Krugman, and inform him that his services are no longer required by the toppling empire.)

  3. Carol Newquist May 6, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    That may be possible, after all, when everything from interest rates to asset purchases are rigged and accounting fraud is the order-of-the-day in government and its larger-than-life handmaiden banks.

    I would reword this slightly as follows:

    That may be possible, after all, when everything from interest rates to asset purchases are rigged and accounting fraud is the order-of-the-day in the finance sector and its divisional handmaiden, government.

  4. Neon Vincent May 6, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    When I lecture about economic schools of thought, which I’ll do next week, as the new semester starts today, I give Paul Krugman as an example of mainstream economics, which discounts resource depletion and pollution. Krugman will at least consider the economic effects of pollution, but I’ve seen him dismissed the effects of resource depletion. Peak Oil? He’s not having it. Go to James Hamilton of Econobrowser for a mainstream economist who will at least look at it.
    That same lecture I also talk about environmental economists and ecological economists. The head of Stonyfield Farms gets to be the example for the environmental economists, while Jim is one of my examples of people who follow ecological economics. Without a strong natural environment, there is no society, and without a society, there is no economy. That’s the lesson the mainstream economists forget.
    I’m just about to blog about the record high close of the Dow and S&P 500 today. It’s part of this month’s theme of comfort at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. The business as usual types can take comfort that things appear to be getting back to normal, or so they think. Too bad these aren’t business as usual times.
    I’ve also been blogging about carbon dioxide reaching levels not seen since Antarctica had forests, 2012 being the ninth warmest year worldwide (warmest in the U.S.), local politics, Star Wars Day, and things that bring comfort in our trying times.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  5. RyeBeachBum May 6, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    $85 Billion a month equates to over $2.5 billion a day in QE, Increasing the money in circulation without increasing the economic value of the overall economy at the same rate (which is not possible to do in an era of economic decline) will raise prices vs value, that is why the DOW and stocks are up, as for precious metals, the PTB want to keep those values down as long as possible because that is the one metric that will show how much worthless paper is out there. This time the paper being not stocks or bonds but currencies.

  6. Goat1080 May 6, 2013 at 9:23 am #

    We’re putting out our vegetable garden, too, here in North Alabama. It’s produce may not be gold but you CAN eat it!

  7. pedal pusher May 6, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    The math of the industrial era – particularly of the fossil fuel age – was 2+2=5. Nothing inaccurate here; it worked so long as economic growth was the order of the day.
    But the new formula must be 2+2=5/NOT! Until we understand this new math, nothing will make any sense.
    PS/ I would have liked to use the 2+2=4 model for the new math but I’m afraid of being too optimistic.

  8. Brent Eamer May 6, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    I’ve considered Filberts (Hazelnuts) in Prince Edward Island. Keep on gardening Jim. It cleans the head out with all the crap going on out there. And it’s easier to feed your neighbors than shoot them

  9. newworld May 6, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    I do believe this sham is called Modern Monetary Theory, or “Honey I’ve shrunk the capital markets and created another Cuba (with snow).”
    Of course Cuba has no capital markets and not much of a dynamic economy, and the Left basically boasts that Cuba is an existence economomy.
    And to think the blowhards on CNBC believe they can fuse the stocks scam to an existence ecnon, good luck with that.

  10. PRD May 6, 2013 at 9:33 am #

    I’ve given Krugman some respect because he has stood for the poor and struggling against the greedy and heartless of the Plutocratic Party. But as an academic steeped in the traditions of economic “science” (astrology and chicken entrails), he is blind to many parts of the real world.
    As the years go by, I find myself more and more divorced from the world I once believed in: honest politicians interested in the greater good; a future that includes lots of travel and good restaurants; banks one can trust; a president not committing war crimes, a supreme court which would never consider a kind of coup d’etat.
    I live apart—through thoughts and actions—from the real world I find, and just do my best for everyone around me. It’s a strange existence, in a way. I don’t argue much anymore, or contradict friends and family I used to agree with: the staunch, liberal Democrats who love everything Obama; who still believe in investing, etc. I sit quietly, feeling like an outsider; a visitor from another realm.

  11. Al Klein May 6, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    Look, we all live in Oz now. I don’t mean Australia, I mean the place where the Wizard lives. You don’t need a brain, all you need is a diploma. You don’t need courage, all you need is a testimonial. You don’t need a heart, all you need is something that makes noise on a regular basis. So now we can add to this Ozian societal formula: You don’t need real financial security, you need a big number – such as the notional value of your portfolio, your 401K or your abode. Pay no attention to the fact anything really worth having is beyond your reach. Pay not attention to the fact that despite all this notional wealth you in reality control nothing about your own destiny nor do you have any real security. Whooda thought that the author of the Wizard of Oz could be so prescient? Other CFNers please feel free to add dimension to my proposition that we are in Oz now. For example, who are the wicked witches? And the monkeys? Etc. Etc.

  12. Carol Newquist May 6, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    And like in Oz, There’s No Place Like Home. With the increased frequency of Sheltering In Place orders from the rising military state, I’d say the Oz metaphor is apt in more ways than one.

  13. John D. Wheeler May 6, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    I think the new math is 2+2=3…
    It looks to me that the central banks are doing everything they can to push the price of gold down EXCEPT actually selling the stuff… or should I say, except for selling the actual stuff. What I see is a concerted effort to drive the price down so they can buy up as much as they can.
    And personally, I wouldn’t pay a dime for any gold or silver unless I was going to be able to hold it in my hand by the time the transaction was finished.

  14. orbit7er May 6, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    Krugman keeps crowing about the lack of any inflation despite the Fed’s huge moneyprinting operation. But of course as shadowstats shows energy and food prices have gone up, although oil prices seem stuck between $90-$100. But I just realized a key reason why the Fed’s moneyprinting operation has not led to inflation – because it has
    not actually put any real money into circulation to stimulate real in the world production or distribution to the 99%. The Fed gives $85 Billion a month to the Banks, who then basically sit on it by giving it to Hedgefunds cornering the market on foreclosures to capture future rents. The money is not going to actual investment, new houses or of course more goods for ordinary Americans. It is like the $300-$500 Trillion of supposed derivatives which of course is more than all the real worth of the planet. It is fake. If REAL production were stimulated then you would soon find out that all this money on paper actually does not represent real material wealth save for a few yachts and mansions for the plutocrats. Or the new Corporate private jet airport expansion planned for Google and Silicon Valley billionaires which is a pittance when actual medium sized airports are being downsized and going bellyup.

    If a real stimulus of BAU, Wars and all took place, which did not invest in ending the Wars, Green Transit or the Green New Deal to actually save oil and energy usage, then inflation would roar. But all this money is just going straight into bankers pockets never to be really spent or loaned out.

  15. Steve knox May 6, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    You don’t disappoint Jim. As always great insight into the trials of our day, and leave us with much to think about. Please keep us posted on how your American Chestnuts are doing, as I am thinking about planting a few of them as well.
    As to Paul Krugman, he’s a thinker’s favorite whipping boy. How can he miss the biggest connections of all, which are diminishing resources and pollution? The policies which he advocates negatively impact them both. Limits and transistion are words not in his vocabulary, and we will pay a high price for that. I am convinced that by the time this economic disaster is over, he will be completly discredited.

  16. noel bodie May 6, 2013 at 9:49 am #

    I nominate Jim for the Bert Lahr role of Lion. We may be scoffed at by our friends and neighbors for speaking of all things PEAK, but Jim has the courage to do it on a grand media stage. Today’s sentiments are shared by the notable economist….Dr. Doom, Nouriel Robini.

  17. piltdownman May 6, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    @PRD
    Totally get that. I feel much the same way. One simply can’t spend each day in a constant state of hyperventilation.
    A few years back I was a frequent visitor to my town council meetings. I would argue issues and question decisions. Eventually Piltdownwoman said to me; “We can’t keep doing this. We can either live here in peace or we can keep doing this Don Quixote thing.” She was spot on. I was flailing and it had zero impact. So I just stopped.
    I suspect that many of us feel the same way. Hell, if I feel disconnected from the governing of my little community (3000 souls) is it any wonder that most American’s feel like they are just bystanders watching the world’s largest slow-motion car crash?
    Pilt

  18. pedal pusher May 6, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    John, yes, you’ve helped confirm my suspicion that 2+2=4 was too much to hope for.

  19. a_human May 6, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    hope your chestnut trees prosper! i live in black walnut territory myself, but am planting pinion, for a drier and warmer future 🙂 reliable, traditional food rather transcends the bellowing of the economists and the machinations of the money-makers – planting a nut tree is an almost subversive act, and a gift to the future.

  20. lsjogren May 6, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    “Not even Paul Krugman is capable of noticing how we live, and what it means.”
    I am puzzled by the “not even” part.
    I would think Krugman would be about the last person to have a clue about this.
    After all, the guy’s core economic philosophy is that consumption creates prosperity.

  21. TexasHomesteader May 6, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    TPTB are nothing more than cheap magicians, diverting attention with “wars on women”, gay marriage, soon to be wars, etc, while stealing wealth and any hope of wealth from those among us that are easily entertained by the Obummer and his MTV entourage.
    watch the hand that does not appear to be moving, and DO get that garden growing

  22. INDY May 6, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    Since revisions to the Bankruptcy Act in 2005,
    bank deposits have been relegated to non-secured
    debts, subordinate to derivatives contracts.
    It makes perfect sense to me, for individuals
    to prefer keeping their long term savings in
    commodities:
    It also makes perfect sense to me, for individuals
    to prefer investments in forests, apt buildings,
    land, and other physical media.
    It also implies that banking, will be used by
    common folk for a financial intermediary, as long
    as banking as we know it lasts.
    Regarding the climate front:
    It seems an arm of the Gulf Stream is pushing
    north past eastern Greenland into the Arctic Ocean. If this is indeed the case, the Arctic Ocean could be ice free year round in as little as 5 years.
    HOWEVER:
    My polish yachting friend tells me that the latest
    data on North Atlantic Surface Temperatures shows the Gulf Stream traveling due east from Newfoundland to the Azores, with no warm water going into the Denmark Strait, and the White Sea.
    If this is indeed the case, Europe will have very cold winters and summers.
    These are contradictory, only one will prevail. The source for the first data is a well known climatologist.
    Given 400 ppm CO2, the oceans will acidify, over some unknown period, once that happens shellfish and corals will find their shells dissolving, and those communities will perish enmasse.
    My climatologist says phytoplankton will also perish, enmasse. This kills the benthic food chain. If such happens, benthic life will perish enmasse.
    Of course, with the phytoplankton gone, O2 levels will steadily drop, because it’s phytoplankton which by and large replenishes the O2 in the atmosphere.
    We could be extinct by 2023. Hmm…..
    INDY

  23. newworld May 6, 2013 at 10:25 am #

    Jim could you do this country a favor? It seems some stupid immigration bill is being contemplated that would basically dissolve any borders and add to the misery of basically anyone below the higher tax brackets.
    Could you tell your co-ethnics that it would be possible to have basically an open job market between Israel and the FUSA (fuckedUSA). This will eliminate approx. 75% of the establishment’s support for this mass migration stupidity.
    The other 25% would move on to something else, such as the Mexicans improving their country, white slavers mowing their own damn lawns, and lefties just plain feeling good about gay marriage and leave it at that.

  24. Smokyjoe May 6, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    What stuns me is how the illusion of better times–or even the reality of better times for some wealthy or luck folks–spurs old folly.
    Lots of stalled suburban-development projects are ramping up again around here, alas. The land-devouring mindset of endless Sprawl seems destined for a feeble and temporary comeback.
    I guess, in the end, the best thing to do is take advantage while it lasts. So if you have a house to sell, do it now.
    I’ve a feeling we’ll see a correction soon. There’s a lot of irrational exuberance in the air, again, but hey, it’s Spring. Go eat a hot dog while you can.

  25. MisterbadExample May 6, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    Jim, you can’t lambaste Krugman for being clueless and then turn around and acknowledge that he’s the only economist most people are familiar with who’s saying the economy is in trouble despite what the stock market and housing markets are showing.
    I too wish that somebody besides you and PCI were talking about energy prices and the effects on growth, but nobody gets it. And even relatively bright people (Maddow is a friggin’ Rhodes Scholar) are getting all chirpy about how the US is closing in on Saudis in terms of oil production. That’s like a bowling trophy for being the best left hander in the league when there’s only one of you.
    It’s going to take someone on the order of a Boone Pickens or Warren Buffett or both to call game over. When even the president is falling for the ‘100 years of natural gas’ lie, there’s some real heavy-lifting to do. brooklynculturejammers.com/2012/11/22/mister-obama-put-back-those-solar-panels/

  26. ShabbaRanks May 6, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    What? Nothing on the US Geological Survey’s Tuesday, April 30 (see Reuters) announcement doubling the estimates of recoverable shale oil to 7.4 billion barrels at the Bakken and Three Forks shale? You missed an opportunity to take down the man a notch.

  27. pequiste May 6, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Jim, thanks for putting a Baby Ruth in the water. In a world where two and two equals 22 anything is possible. America’s (indeed the entire West’s) reality was displayed dramatically last week for everyone to see. Edifices of Finance and Government have been merged into a single monolith: One World Trade Center. In receiving its mast, reaching 1776 (gotta love the sarcasm of the power elite) feet over lower Manhattan, it perfectly represents Joe Biden’s recent and very carefully enunciated (and terrifying) word string: “New World Order.” The problem is that there is no correct and adequate term for the monster – merger of Finance and Government, with Finance the senior partner. If we agree to define the Fascist state as the synthesis of the two with the Government having the control over the reigns of power, then this spawn of the devil (Paul Krugman’s a doting uncle) the synthesis of the two with Finance having the whip hand and the government just pulling the cart: what to call it? Corporatist? (nah, too Forbesian,) Corpzi?(good name for Mike Bloomberg,) Mystery Babylon the Great? I am personally baffled and would ask Jim to think of a moniker for this Beast. In refering to Goldman Sachs, a major operator in the Global Beast Power Matrix, Matt Taibbi famously labeled them the “giant vampire squid” and the imagery is splendid. We need something of a similar tone to call the Behemoth that Krugman, Dimon, Blankfein, Obama, the U.S. Senate and House, European political and Central Bank machinery, IMF, U.N., et. al. represent.
    On the other hand last night on Delray Beach’s fabulous Atlantic Avenue restaurants were overflowing and people appeared very happy. Go out and have a good time — “Economics” is called the dismal science for good reason.

  28. Goat1080 May 6, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    Yes, welcome to the Wizard of Ozzie – I’m running off the rails on a crazy train!!!!!

  29. ComradeDystopia May 6, 2013 at 10:48 am #

    Isn’t Krugman a Nobel Prize winner in economics?
    He won it about the same time Obama won his hard-earned Nobel Peace Prize, as I can recall.
    There giving those goddam things out like candy at the firemen’s parade. The cash prize is good, tho.
    –CD

  30. doug_b May 6, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    With respect to OZ – Ben Bernanke is a monkey – a butt monkey for sure. Hillary sure could be the wicked witch. However I don’t recall any character that was the ‘house negro.’

  31. Goat1080 May 6, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    In 2022 “they” introduce Soylent Green. All the ocean plankton are extinct and the food chain is totally impaired.

  32. MisterbadExample May 6, 2013 at 10:57 am #

    As Jim would be the first to tell you, 7.4 billion covers US usage for a little over a year. It doesn’t replace Cantarell and it doesn’t replace Texas, both of which are in decline. And as PCI would back up, there’s no guarantee that the shale oil will come out of the ground with sufficient EROI to justify us pumping it out in the first place. it’s like Chevron’s ‘Jack II’ field–it doesn’t matter how much oil is in the play if it costs us almost as much to recover as there is in the field.

  33. WSHancock1864 May 6, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    Well said, Al.
    I don’t know if you ever heard this, but I once read speculation that the Oz stories had underlying them a criticism of monetary policy of the time, ironically The Gold Standard and how it’s limited hard currency/money was strangling the common folk.
    (see William Jennings Bryan and the famous “Cross of Gold” speech”, among other things)
    This fiat currency Bretton Woods system, to some degree, was in answer to that situation, ironically, and at least in the atmosphere of limitless cheap energy, did in fact bring increases in quality of life by material measure, to the bottom 99% of humanity.
    The bottom line is that Aristocratic Sociopaths might allow (or be briefly forced to accept) change in favor of commoners, but it never lasts and eventually the Aristocratic Sociopaths will find a way to turn any new system bent even slightly with dignity for the bottom 90%, back to a vehicle for Aristocratic Sociopathic workship of power, control, and the good life that comes with being a Slave Owner.
    All of this is, for the moment obscured in plausible deniability thus we have mostly Virtual Slavery for now, but not for even a century longer will this truth be hidden.
    Which to my mind is the overarching idea behind the Oz Analogy as I see it. The Oz stories, with it’s golden road to nowhere, a great wealth concentration City coalescing around a Fraud and a Liar who’s City continues to love and worship said Fraud and Liar no mater how much of his lies are exposed.
    Hell, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,” could easily be the worldwide motto for humanity as we fall towards keyhole and likely extinction.
    But again, what Oz to now represents is the idea that no matter what systems, economic or political, are put in place to rule us, they are staffed by sheeplike humans and run by predator-like humans who have embraced their God-like status over the clueless, easily led and fooled sheep.
    Which is why things always turn out the same, in the end, for all of human history until it’s soon coming end.
    Still, a few decades is too long to wait. Extinction Now!

  34. guilty bystander May 6, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    Diaporthe parasitica hitch-hiked over from Asia to devastate 50 billion American chestnuts. Like you, I’ve been planting chestnuts (mostly Japanese or European supposedly “blight resistant”) for timber and nuts. To think that a grandchild or great grandchild would be able to make use of it is a counter-balance to the exploitative mentality of the mainstream. It certainly may be a self delusion, but it gets your hands in the soil which is a salve for the soul.
    There is a fellow who has been working with Chestnuts and other nuts for over 30 years at Burnt Ridge Nursery.

  35. PRD May 6, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    @Hancock: Re. The Wizard of Oz
    Few people know that there was an entire series of 10+ books written about the land of Oz, with some very strange characters and plots. When my kids and I were reading them, I wondered if L. Frank was dropping acid when he wrote them. One character was a princess who changed her gender from being male. Another one had a pumpkin for a head; when one rotted, he went to the pumpkin patch to get another. One could have a field day with possible symbolism!
    I heard years ago one interpretation of the the witch’s guard’s marching song was not “Yo-ee-yo” but “Owe we owe, we owe her.”

  36. WSHancock1864 May 6, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    There are many comical aspects to this whole thing, not the least of which is that the whole Endgame is playing out with the dynamics of a Mafia Rubout Victim riding in the back seat of the car to the “hole in the desert” that will be their final resting place.
    Soon-to-be-Rubout-Victim has one major delusion from which all others spring, that they will live to see another sunrise.
    The Boss who gave the hit orders and the Mafia Capos and Buttons who got the order to execute know. But in order to create the least mess and distress, as well as forestalling any unforeseen incidents, like the Rubout Victim fighting for their life while the car is still driving on city streets, the Henchmen will feed the Rubout Victim any line whatsoever to keep them calm and docile…
    …at least until the car speeds away from public eyes and out into the empty desert, once there it doesn’t matter what the Rubout Victim does, no one will hear anyway.
    Is that not the basic relationship between the Global Pathocrats, their Gestapo henchmen, and the bottom 95% of humanity?
    Does not the gullible, hopeful reactions of your pal Marlin, times 329,000,000 (minus we 1 million weirdos, though the number is probably smaller than that even now at this late date), equate to the hopeful gullibility of the Soon-to-be-Rubbed-Out-Victim in the back of the car, eagerly agreeing with every lie, no matter how little sense it makes, because to do otherwise, well, THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE, eh?
    It can’t compute, it just can’t.
    Psychology. No wonder Ed Bernays’ ideas are going to ride the human wave into a blood-frothed foam of extinction when it soon hits the beach, with the wave’s enthusiastic approval, measured, focus-grouped and controlled to the tenth deimal place.
    Oh well.
    Anyway, the “Global Pathocracy car” is almost to the city limits, and after that, well, the Henchmen in the front seat won’t have to pretend any longer, will they?
    They still will, because it’s only prudent to continue keeping Rubout Victim docile, but they won’t be able to contain their snickers and little smiles once the fear of discovery is gone and the hole in the desert now so close.
    I imagine something a sociopath in that situation enjoys is the look on the face of the Rubout Victim once they see the truth and know that it’s too late to do anything about it.
    Wonder what Marlin’s face will look like when he realizes he’s been such a fool for so long, since he’s obviously VERY gullible and trusting of his Masters.
    Bet it will be just like the many Mafia Rubout Victims (those “taken for a ride”, not those executed in lightning fashion with a bullet behind the ear) who have spent their last hours or minutes in exactly the same kind of psychological bind I describe.
    The same kind Marlin and everyone else is in. If they stop believing in the lies, life as they know it ends immediately. So they trade belief in the lies for a few extra minutes (or even a decade) of gullible contentment.
    But, just like the Rubout Victim, the end is coming just the same whether they believe the ridiculous lies or not.
    Amusing, no?

  37. zoidion May 6, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    So glad to hear you’ve planted American chestnuts, Jim. When I was growing up in the Hudson Valley in the ‘50s and ‘60s, I often heard about the awe in which they’d been held, though they were long gone by then. My dad had to content himself with Chinese chestnuts in our yard—I remember the aroma of them roasting, and the taste of them added to Thanksgiving dressing. Treat them well—a lot of work went into starting to bring them back.

  38. ctemple May 6, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    Well Al, in the book, the Wicked Witch of the North represented the banking and big money interests of the East, the Wicked Witch of the West represented the railroad and industrial big shots. The Tin man would have been the factory worked abused by unsafe conditions.
    I would say the Wicked Witch of the North is basically this parasitical class of ‘investors’ and crooked banks who have gamed the system and are creating very little of value, and are just playing games with money.
    The Wicked Witch of West is irresponsible oil companies and other industrial plutocrat types ignoring climate change and trying to get everyone to go on living in what Kunstler called ‘The Era of Happy Motoring.’

  39. adequatio May 6, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    Stop the Krugman bashing. Krugman has been right on hyperinflation. Krugman has been right about the disastrous effects of austerity in Europe. And Krugman is right about the USA economy being weak right now (sequestration= austerity= mistake)
    The right-wing economists, the Austrian school economists, and the gold bug conspiracy fools have all been wrong.

  40. mark May 6, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    Your comment,”After all, the guy’s core economic philosophy is that consumption creates prosperity.”:
    For the one percent, consumption DOES create prosperity. If we, consumers(notice we are no longer citizens)borrow new money into existence to buy homes, cars, etc., that new money creates new debt WITH interest. Borrowed money feeds not only the one percent but our current ponzi scheme of a monetary system.
    There is no way out of a debt money system. Those in the know are engaged in stealing all they can before the whole thing blows up. The thing is, there will be no warning, it will happen very suddenly… you’re either prepared or your toast…even prepared, it will be very ugly.

  41. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 6, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    Good mornin’ Mister B. E.,
    A quick question or 3 if you’ll entertain them: Aren’t symbolic actions like placing solar panels on the White House roof way past relevant for framing discourse about the problems at hand? I’m with you in spirit on the viability of the technology; however, the thought that any comprehensive program for retro-fitting solar power and other technologies to upgrade national infrastructure is a pipe dream. Not even JHK floats his idea of re-building the rail system in the country much anymore. Thankfully, Gov. Christie will have his constituents building sand dune fortresses to combat climate catastrophes, which just sounds like loads of beach-time fun – effective too! We’re down to childish “solutions” at best.
    As your suggested reading link article implied, Obama is showing no signs of doing anything other than shuffling old symbols about for the remainder of his 2nd term. Isn’t he merely crafting a PR legacy at this point? Are solar panels going to be placed on the roof of his presidential library? Or will a giant archway with a giant pipeline running through be the architectural feat of his personal monument?
    ~UFIA

  42. lucky 13 May 6, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    I heard a report on NPR today that shocked even me.
    It was about the Panama Canal [widened for the Chinese superships].
    No mention of who widened it, who leases it or
    THAT AMERICANS BUILT IT.
    Just that ‘only 2 cities on the east coast have ports that can dock such ships, and they will benefit.’
    Gees. ‘Benefit from Chinese imports.’

  43. sevenmmm May 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    Misinformation and funny money into the DOWn Jones is just plumping of the sheep. Its not just their wool the banksters want you know.
    I have been planting trees as well. One of them is in the left of center of my “Back to Eden” section. It is a nectarine and I call it my Kunstler Tree. Otherwise, it is an Arctic something or other..

  44. mdl17576 May 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    Good luck with your gardening endeavors. I’ve considered planting some chestnuts as well. What source are you using? Does the variety you are planting have demonstrated immunity? I know there are some projects out there propagating resistant individuals but there is not a guarantee that the offspring will have the same genetics.

  45. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 6, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Pardon the poor phrasing:
    however, the thought that any comprehensive program for retro-fitting solar power and other technologies to upgrade national infrastructure [will become national policy] is a pipe dream.
    ~UFIA

  46. Casual Observer May 6, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    “is that oil prices around $100 a barrel (the average between West Texas Intermediate and Brent Crude) crush industrial economies.”
    This is just not true, Jim. As you can see the economy has been humming along merrily for the past three years or so and oil has been at, around or above this level. The stock market loves high oil prices as it’s a clear signal that demand is high for cheez doodles and salad shooters!

  47. lucky 13 May 6, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    JHK defines ‘useful idiot’:
    ‘Count Paul Krugman of The New York Times among those who don’t know anything!!!!’
    Yet he is a ‘what me worry, Mad Magazine’ type useful idiot.

  48. Carol Newquist May 6, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    About those Chestnuts, it’s a nice idea, but methinks soon enough those Chestnuts will be roasting on an open fire.

  49. carolnewquist... May 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

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  50. carolnewquist... May 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    If he sits too close to the open fire those chestnuts for real will be roasting!

  51. endofworld May 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    good one al kleine–and Jim–went on my first cruise this winter–what an insane activety-float around on this huge barge-all the fat people eating like cattle–using 63000 gallons of diesel a day -going in circles-crazy…..

  52. highcountry May 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    A wise woman once told me, ” Don’t believe everything you think.”.
    As always, thanks Jim for your Monday morning thoughts. Enjoyed your pieces on Peak Prosperity.

  53. Janos Skorenzy May 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Meanwhile Detroit dies. It’s only chance it to suck the resources of Michigan, but the Blacks are outraged anyway since they will have to take rational orders from Whites again.

  54. Janos Skorenzy May 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    You are begining to Awaken. I’ve never heard you criticize the Tribe before. Most Conservatives are little more than their slaves.

  55. shorty May 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Kunstler’s screed is as usual horseshit. Debt at all levels is the problem….inflation is the cure. Run say 6% actual inflation with nominal (hedonics) inflation at say 2% and by the rule of 72……debt at all levels is halved every 72/(6-2) = 18 years…..while ASSET PRICES KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.
    Your duly elected rulers look worried? Why should they be? Open your eyes…..the mall parking lots are full, the freeways jammed, housing is again a “smart” investment, govt checks for everyone as long as they are totally worthless. Bernie testifying with pastrami fat dripping off his manicured beard…..O’Bomber happily asserting his right to murder ANYONE, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. They are laughing their asses off at you planting some organic squash and picking tomato worms……

  56. Janos Skorenzy May 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    Brooks Adams “Law of Civilization and Decay” is a good primer on Third Way Economics. Here is a chapter against the gold standard.
    counter-currents.com/2012/01/against-the-gold-standard/

  57. Janos Skorenzy May 6, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    But wages don’t keep up. As in Ancient Rome, the yeomanry are destroyed first and later the middle and upper class. Who will fight for these Aristocrats? The Black and Hispanic Barbarians? They have their own Elites. They are finished, they just don’t know it yet. As is America. Of course the really smart ones already have their bags packed and are ready to leave. They’ve destroyed other Nations and are looking hopefully at China now. If the Chinese are smart, they’ll give them the bums rush.

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    As with Tripp, it is hard to garden and type at the same time! Thx to whoever it whuz a couple weeks back that claimed I “invaded” this blog and I “bite”, along with the likes of Hancock and PoC – not sure why you claim this, as I’ve only poasted here twice in the past 5 weeks. And to the bozo that ad hominems every other poaster with some slander about drug abuse, it’s been months since I’ve had a drink (need to loose a few lbs, thus the lemon/apple/carrot/ginger/cayenne/maple syrup juice)…
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  60. george May 6, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    Once again I’m disappointed by the subject of your blog. I had hoped you would have said something of the crisis in the Middle East, and the potential for full-scale conflict in that region and how precarious the global energy supply is becoming now that Iran, through it’s proxy Syria, is attempting to exert hegemony over its’ neighbours, not to mention the possibility that the current fighting in Syria might drag the Russians and Chinese into the conflict. Don’t listen to the naysayers who told you to stay out of Middle East politics and focus exclusively about Peak Oil and Wall Street. Your opinions on global affairs, especially with regards to the Middle East, are much too important to be kept to yourself.

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  64. TerryDavid May 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    Krugman’s half right in that he sees that there’s a LOT of wealth out there, but that the oligarchs have confiscated (as you correctly point out) the majority of it.
    But Krugman simply omits the fact that the oligarchs HAVE ALWAYS confiscated more wealth than seems possible, but that in the Fossil Fuel “Free Energy” era of outrageous economic growth, the thin fog of wealth just above the ground of subsistence levels was able to power an entire middle class lifestyle in the West.
    I think he’s aware of the fact that the end of the cheap fossil fuel era is here. He may have enough leeway to hammer the corrupt bankers, corrupt pols, and de-fanged regulators. But if he were to correctly point out that, a) there in fact IS an oligarchy and it b) claims a fixed quantity of wealth over time, and that c) the era of cheap energy has ended and that d) this necessarily creates the “giant sucking sound” of wealth being hoovered from the middle class nest eggs, well he’ll just be out of a good paying job like the rest of us.
    He’s quite talented. He manages to play both curmudgeon against the rich and cheerleader for “decline denialism.” And he gets paid well for it.
    But I still kinda like the guy. He’s better than the (also well paid) buffoons who defend or obscure the oligarchs’ confiscation of wealth and convince the strained middle class that it’s those who have nothing left who’ve taken everything.

  65. Schwerpunkt May 6, 2013 at 3:31 pm #

    So it seems the paint is finally peeling off this old wreck, or is it? I am not sure we are there yet, or will be. I just finished a whirlwind tour of this Nation of ours aboard the old Amtrak system before it is de-funded, sold to scrap, the cost of fuel spikes or the Nation splits into breakaway republics. I am sure that this country will be the last to fall, since Krugman, TBTF banks, POTUS, and the rest of them can be still swallowed by the vast lands out there. So much poverty, ruined industry, but still the oil fields are being supplied down south, they’re still building in AZ, Cali is on fire but still planting Frankencrops for us to eat, plenty of undocumented workers doing the job Americans don’t want to get paid $1.29 an hour for, and the Northern Lands pump away ethanol and tar sands. For those interested enough do share your own thoughts schwerpunkter dot wordpress dot com.

  66. Liquid Lennny May 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

    These days it’s all about perpetuating the illusion of national wealth no matter what the cost. 85 billion not doing the job then expect the Fed to up the ante. The reality is we’re in a downward glidepath to some unknown landing point. What the timing is when we actually stall out and auger into the ground is anybody’s guess. But the bottom line is it’s just a matter of time. So use it wisely, pack that parachute.
    So far as precious metals go, my stock of brass and lead has appreciated nicely, much better than the shiny stuff. Some how I’m not very confident throwing a few silver eagles will dissuade anyone from pillaging my family and/or food stocks.
    Also, here in the valley of the sun (Phoenix) there is a shortage of affordable housing for sale. Now some would find that a little unusual, what with all the foreclosures and all. Seems the banks bundled hundreds of houses and sold them to REIT type investors (mostly foreign) who assembled them into rentals. But what the investors don’t realize is that middle incomes are still falling so rents will too. Still there’s a huge demand for multifamily housing, however the big difference and one which begs asking the question is, just how many families can you pack into a three bedroom house? Guess I’ll have to look up the zoning code dealing with drop houses…
    Finally to end this on a high note, here’s a link to an article from April 2000 in Wired Magazine, written by Bill Joy titled “Why the Future doesn’t need us”.
    wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html
    You see this problem has many facets, $100 oil being only one of many…
    Got to go back to the saltmine…later all

  67. Janos Skorenzy May 6, 2013 at 4:18 pm #

    If he were to tell the Truth, he’d be telling on his Co-Ethnics. He’s not going to. And yes, they’ve always played both ends agains the Middle. The Banks funded Communism after all.

  68. Carol Newquist May 6, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

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    Tsarnaev’s body was taken to a funeral home, Graham Putnam & Mahoney Funeral Parlors, in Worcester last week after spending more than a week at a medical examiner’s office in Boston. Already several cemeteries including the Gardens at Gethsemane in West Roxbury have said they would not accept Tsarnaev’s body for burial.
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    Stefan has said he would seek help from state officials if he could not find a resting place soon.
    But Massachusetts Governor Patrick declined to get involved in the controversy on Monday.
    “I don’t have a comment about that or a point of view,” Patrick said speaking to reporters in New Bedford on Monday. “This is a family issue, with due respect to all of you, and the family needs to make some decisions. I understand they have some options. They need to exercise one soon,” Patrick said.

    This is how Christians are IRL. These are Christian values on full display.

  69. jamesh May 6, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

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    You are all like people showing up to a costume party that isn’t a costume party at all.
    You are all dressed up with no where to go.
    The world did not end with y2k, the housing crash or the Fed QE. JHK is wrong-again. If there is one thing he is good at it’s being wrong. Entertaining and a fine writer but just flat wrong.
    Keep prepping for doomsday while the rest will live on increasing domestic oil production and the magic of technology that will continue to unfold in unimaginable ways. You can’t predict an dynamic chaotic system, but we are the best tool makers to ever inhabit the planet and we are not going BACK to a “world by hand.” Ever.
    “Magical thinking” is really technological advancement. “Peak oil” has not been reached. Lighten up. Laugh. It;s not so serious.
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    Your statement that magical thinking is just technological advancement is so spot-on to my own thinking that I had to comment. You are also correct about the “we are so fucked” POV many CFNers have.
    I can see it is possible we have reached peak oil, but that doesn’t frighten me because the “magical thinking, techno-triumphalism” of our evolving body of knowledge will get us past that issue successfully. Sure, it won’t hurt to prepare for the worst (events like Hurricane Sandy, etc.), but to live in fear of events beyond our control is ultimately self-destructive.

  72. Carol Newquist May 6, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    Regarding the gun control debate, let’s ask ourselves, even if some of us are Jewish, “what would Jesus do?” Here’s the answer:
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  73. ComradeDystopia May 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

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  78. KaraokeVox May 6, 2013 at 8:34 pm #

    Consider, though, that when everything is mis-priced then nobody knows the value of anything, and when nobody knows anything and everyone is flying blind, then accidents can happen. Welcome to the deep end of the risk pool.
    Jesus knows the true value of things, more people should listen to him.
    Not EVERYONE is flying blind and that’s why some are profiting off the trends. People aren’t taught in public schools how gold is graded and what is required to buy and sell precious metals. You don’t take your gold to just ANYONE to sell. So why is everyone and their mother asking people to sell THEM their gold? Because people don’t know any better. And all the little gold activity going on out in main street could be disrupting the market? All of a sudden you have people acquiring gold who didn’t pay the actual value of it and are thus turning around and making a huge profit.
    Markets are weird animals to me. Not EVERYONE is allowed to do very well…only do as well as it takes to stay in the market..remain liquid. And as it becomes increasingly more difficult to remain liquid, people have to find ways to gain an advantage and gold (the appearance of wealth) is working like it’s always worked.

  79. ozone May 6, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

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  80. lano May 6, 2013 at 10:45 pm #

    It’s pretty simple to me. I can’t eat gold, silver or any other “precious” metal, therefore, I shall focus on my small farm with variety vegetable gardens (venison bait) and heirloom seed storage protecting it all with the various guns and ammo I “currently” legally own.

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  84. Beantownbill May 7, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    Trust me, O3, I think that our government leaders are incompetent, greedy crooks who wouldn’t know how to plan for the welfare of the people if said plan bit them in the ass. The ideal government is no government, but since that’s not practical, the best government is the least government. Yes, our system is messed up, politically and financially, but my optimism isn’t forced; as I see it, it’s just the way I am.
    It is very unfortunate and unfair that many citizens have to suffer because of the actions of those in power, but that doesn’t mean the world will end. Life is filled with hardship and sorrow, but truth and beauty still can be appreciated. Bottom line, I don’t like the alternative.

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    ?BEIJING, March 4, according to foreign reports, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director-General Yukiya Amano asked Iran the Parchin military bases in the country open to the agency as soon as possible, to allow verification of base. Yukiya Amano said Iran should immediately allow the inspectors into the Parchin military base, should not continue to delay. He said, “structured program” between Iran and the IAEA to carry out a series of verification agreed that Iran should be open to inspectors to Parchin base. Open the Parchin military bases is the key initiatives show the sincerity of cooperation Iran to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Yukiya Amano, said. The IAEA suspected the Parchin military bases is suspicious nuclear activities related to the development of nuclear weapons, to be checked. But Iran, the Parchin military bases has nothing to do with Irans nuclear program, is not within the scope of verification Iran promised, and pointed out that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors had already entered the Parchin base twice. In recent conversation between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the verification of “structured program” are two sides discussed the topic. International Atomic Energy Agency hopes to carry out a series of verification of Irans nuclear program, including the verification of Irans Parchin military base in the framework document. But Iran for any challenge, the two sides are still difficult to reach agreement after several conversations.

  87. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 2:06 am #

    Trust me, O3, I think that our government leaders are incompetent, greedy crooks who wouldn’t know how to plan for the welfare of the people if said plan bit them in the ass.
    I think government is competent. I have never had someone tell me they mailed me something and then I did not receive it. Government efficiently delivers millions of pieces of mail to all geographic parts of the USA, something FedEx and UPS cannot do without depending on government mail delivery. If you had ever lived in some third world countries and experienced four month deliver times or rifled parcels, or mail that simply was never delivered, then you could talk about the incompetence of government leaders, but not in the USA.
    Our government sends out millions of Social Security checks and deposits each month. Have you ever heard of anyone NOT receiving their well-earned and well-deserved social security payments? Again, in some third world countries the record keeping is so bad social security pensions are denied, or delayed for years, requiring hiring a lawyer and going to court to get an incompetent government to respond. We do not have that problems as our government leaders are competent.
    In 2008 we were losing 700,000 jobs per month. The government leaders in the Obama administration turned that around to a small, but positive number of jobs gained each month, not enough to significantly change the unemployment rate, but enough to prevent the unemployment rate from heading into double digits (using BLS stats in both administrations, so if you doubt their accuracy then you are not reachable by rational argument using publicly verified data gathered from the private sector).
    In 2008 we were mired in a combat role in Iraq. Government leaders decided to change that and today we are not involved in an active combat role in Iraq.
    When government decides to do something government is very competent and is able to do what it sets out to do. Obama said we would catch those who bombed the Boston Marathon, and within a week we knew who set the bombs. They are not walking the streets free to continue bombing today thanks to government competence.
    I could provide dozens more examples, but I think I have sufficiently countered your statement that our government leaders are incompetent. They are not.

  88. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 3:15 am #

    Fascinating. The interogator of that old scifi chestnut This Island Earth. Called 3d printing on this planet right now. Can it make a plastic gun? Why yes.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing

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  91. ComradeDystopia May 7, 2013 at 7:03 am #

    The lumber from those Chestnut Trees, once mature, is valuable and much sought after. You planted yourself a couple of Gold Mines there, Jim. Now all you have to do is live long enough to see the payoff.
    –CD

  92. ComradeDystopia May 7, 2013 at 7:24 am #

    How about those 3 women turning up alive in Cleveland … after disappearing ten years ago. Kidnappers last name: Castro. Get used to it folks; kidnapping for fun and profit is a way of life in many Latin American Countries. I don’t know about you, but I’m extending this years Cinco de Mayo celebration out a few more days. Want to join me? Ole’!
    –CD

  93. ozone May 7, 2013 at 8:51 am #

    Well, actually, the grandkids or grand-heirs have to live long enough to see those trees to maturity. (…I suspect that was part of your joke anyhoo. ;o)
    OH, does more cinco de mayo mean more tequila quaffing? I’m IN!
    (Why are we celebrating dollops of mayo?)

  94. ozone May 7, 2013 at 8:57 am #

    Hey Kids!
    Want to read something germane to this week’s topic? (I knew you did.)
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    Has we teached our kids any more learnin’ yet?

  95. ozone May 7, 2013 at 9:04 am #

    Sorry, just one of the many relevant passages contained therein:
    “…Our national mythology makes it impossible for most Americans to conceive of a future of accelerating contraction and impoverishment, and so any excuse to believe that happy days are here again will attract an instant and uncritical audience. Consider the extraordinary fog of misinformation surrounding the current fracking bubble—the increasingly loud and frantic claims that the modest temporary gains in oil production driven by the fracking phenomenon guarantee a future of abundant energy and prosperity for all. It’s the same twaddle about a new era with limitless upside potential, but it’s even more popular than usual, because the alternative is facing the future that’s taking shape around us.” -Archie
    Uh, can you write that louder? — I just can’t see it.

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  98. ComradeDystopia May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    The above paragraph isn’t what’s making it into the popular media, Oz. I pay attention to what’s being said, and everybody, I mean everybody, has bought into the idea of the new energy bonanza. A simple question like, “why is oil still at $90-$100 per barrel?”, might earn you an ass-kicking.
    CD

  99. ozone May 7, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    CD,
    You wrote that plenty loud enough.
    I see it clearly and agree (and am glad you daily peruse the clusterfuckian press to give us the “conventional wisdom” that it contains*)!
    *That has under-appreciated value and ain’t no joke.

  100. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 10:28 am #

    Cinco de Mayo is about freedom and Reconquista of the Mexicans of their native land, brutally stolen by the white man. Viva La Reconquista!

  101. stelmosfire May 7, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    hey O3, I put in some elms a while back. You can’t eat ’em and there’re tough as hell to split .I just think they are beautiful trees. they grow really fast. the seedlings all came from a monster elm out back that made it through the Dutch Elm disease so I am hoping they are somehow resistant. That Chestnut wood is like freakin’ iron. A lot of framing in these parts are chestnut. I cut a piece from a porch and needed a freakin’ magnifying glass to count the growth rings. There were like 80 rings per inch. That was one slow growing tree!

  102. lucky 13 May 7, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    Obongos Amnasty will cost 10 TRILLION.
    And thats just the monetary costs.
    As far as those 3 women goes, great they got out alive.
    The 911 caller says ‘She is white but the child looks Hispanic’.
    Radio is playing the call this morning.

  103. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

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  104. Carol Newquist May 7, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    The name Castro is of Italian origin, so I’m not sure I understand what your point is. Were these brothers illegal immigrants from Mexico? We know the name Castro because of Cuba’s famous leader, so perhaps the brothers are Cubans who were part of the Upper and Middle Classes who fled when Castro broke up their ponzi scheme. If that’s the case, they should be extradited to Cuba to stand trial for their family’s sins against the former peasants of Batista’s and the Mafia’s Cuba, and you and yours should stand trial for what the Puritans did to all non-Puritans, especially those who occupied the land prior to the ignominious Anglo arrival.

  105. stelmosfire May 7, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    Sorry to burst your bubble A, But that s@@@ just doesn’t scale up to the energy hogs in this country. Where I live on a day like today when the skys are azure blue I can go out back and watch the Jumbo jets coming over, headed to NYC. from Europe, probably two a minute,350 people a pop. I watch them with the binocs sometimes. How ya gonna fly a plane on PV’s? Like JHK says. the world is gonna become a smaller place. Not sure if this link will work but it will show you the scale I’m talking about. This is just for JFK airport’
    flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK

  106. cooldog May 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

    I’d say your continued shadow boxing with an “opponent” who probably doesn’t know you exist (and certainly doesn’t care) is a pathetic sight. Man up Jim! None of your dramatic prognostications of immanent doom for these last umpteen years have come true, while Krugman has been pretty much spot on. Fall on your sword, or talk about ascended masters or something.

  107. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

    It’s horrible the way Americans just accept Holidays foisted on them in order to make money or accept their own dispossesion. Shame on you for going along with it.

  108. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    The Druid is a Traitor. He can hardly contain his glee at the thought of America’s collapse and the Brown invasion. But you seem to be Ok with him on that.

  109. ComradeDystopia May 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    The Court Jester steps out from the shadows, bows, issues a few provocations, (all in fun, of course), bows once more, does a little dance, then recedes back into the shadows. The King and his Court are at first perplexed, then amused. A round of applause ensues.
    That’s all folks, ’till next time
    –ComradeDystopia

  110. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    Mexico is the Enemy of the Southwestern Tribes. Wake up, Clown.

  111. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    A moving pictorial tribute to the tender side of the Fuhrer and Nazi Germany. May it soften your bitter and stony heart.
    youtube.com/watch?v=h8D-196DYwg

  112. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    And the Bantus should stand trial for what they did to the Bushmen of Southern Africa. And the Muslims should stand trial for the countless Whites and Hindus they butchered. And the Japanese for the dispossesion of the Ainu. And so forth. Get out of our Lands. Go live in the lowest and most primitive (and therefore the most righteous, right?) places on Earth. Places like New Guinea or the Congo.

  113. Rhino May 7, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    You want to know more about the the deep end of the risk pool? Want to put numbers to it? You need a laugh? Here’s one: Deutsche Bank in Germany has on its balance sheet a notional 55 trillion Euros in derivatives bets. That would be in USD 72 trillion according to Zero-Hedge. Ponder that for a moment.
    I wouldn’t have believed it. There were several reports of it so I looked on-line for myself. It’s on page 87 of their 2012 financial report. Eur 41 trillion of it is over the counter.
    So what do we have here? Let’s look at it from 30,000 feet. What do you figure the sum total of GDP for the entire world was for last year? 70 trillion in USD you say? OK, I’ve seen that number too. So let’s go with that.
    How do you figure the great and mighty Deutsche Bank came up with that Eur 55 trillion? Via the highly dubious propositions of generally accepted accounting principles? Or what do they call it now? Oh yeah, International Accounting Standards. Whatever.
    Apparently the pale and clammy gurus of the accounting arts who spend lifetimes pondering such questions as how to reflect on paper the state of a business in ways that people can understand are untroubled by a methodology that requires a number like 55 trillion Euros. Even if it’s “notional”. Or 72 trillion USD. The first and most pressing issue is that financial reports have as their basis some level of objective reality. In my humble opinion that is.
    How can a number like 55 trillion be in any way real? Let me answer that: in my opinion, in no way can a number like 55 trillion Euros (or 72 trillion USD) on a financial report published by ONE business possibly be real. And I don’t give a shit how big the company is.
    I mean, what crap: ONE bank with a number on a financial report that exceeds the total value of all the goods and services in the entire world for one year? Blow me. Somebody needs to give their head a shake. Even if other parties have obligations to DBank or vice versa how on earth can they be greater than the sum total of the GDP of all the countries on this planet? The people with green eyeshades need to re-learn how to count. Or think logically. Or look at numbers and ask themselves: is this reasonable? You know, Accounting 101 type stuff.
    What’s that you say? How the FUCK do you measure the output of the ENTIRE world? Watch your mouth punk, only I get to swear. But OK you’re right. That in itself is an even more dubious proposition, that there exist reliable statistical agencies that can actually do this task. Which, in my opinion, there aren’t. Chinese academics, who speak off the record of course, will say that their government published numbers are “man-made” ie have no basis in reality. Or, as they say in the vernacular, are complete and total bullshit. But never mind, for the time being, for the sake of argument, for the sake of some basic reality checking, let’s just assume it is possible.
    But we digress, by any MINIMAL standard of reasonable people behaving reasonably, how do you end up with a financial report with such outlandish numbers? That accounting methodology allows such outrages is more fantastical.
    And never mind the sizeable fee, why would any audit firm touch this shit with a barge pole? Oh yeah, I know, they would assume that it’s a going concern, that management has a handle on it. But, in my opinion, any bank with such off the wall numbers is a leaky nuke. Never mind depositor “bail-ins”, if it blows up is there enough money in the entire world to clean up a mess like this? Can you imagine the lawsuits? There would be litigation until the end of time.
    Never mind the collective wisdom of it, even if this number had SOME basis in objective realty, that’s it’s actually LEGAL for a financial institution to knot itself into legally binding contracts that comprise such an astronomic number defies belief. Why on earth do financial regulatory agencies exist after all? Can they not say “NO”? Can they not say “NOT ALLOWED”? If regulatory agencies don’t have the legal authority, can national legislatures not get off their duffs and put a stop to such insanity? Or are they all off their rockers too? Or are they all bought and paid for? Is there no shame? Why are such contracts legal? What purpose do they serve? Does common sense have no part in this?
    At the very least one would expect that institutions that take people’s money, that government backed agencies insure from loss, would have leadership somewhat grounded in a world where people actually produce things (like food and clothes) and actually consume things (like food and clothes). But no. And these business “leaders” are apparently unbothered by the howling lunacy of putting a number on a page like 55 trillion. Do they not have the authority to rein in the crazies in their trading departments? Do they not have the brains?
    Do the managers of D Bank have ANY idea of what’s in this 55 trillion? How does that look with all the zeros? 55,000,000,000,000. Do you grok this? I sure don’t. Do the auditors? Does anyone?

  114. Carol Newquist May 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    As tragic as that kidnapping story is, it could have been avoided if the girls were educated about kidnapping and properly trained as to avoid kidnapping situations. The same that applies to proper handgun safety and training, right? Am I right? I can’t hear you!!! Kidnappers don’t kill or hurt people, improper training and education does.

  115. Carol Newquist May 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    For those who didn’t understand the “I can’t hear you” line:
    youtube.com/watch?v=2_XvB0EIcUw

  116. Carol Newquist May 7, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    The numbers aren’t important any longer. All that matters is that it’s a shitload, they have most of it, and it’s growing. Every day from here on out is Mission Accomplished from a different aircraft carrier.

  117. Beantownbill May 7, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    When I talk about government incompetence, I could mean many things, but let me take one area: policy. Can you tell me that it makes sense to wage continual war for indefensible reasons,that costs American and others’ lives, trillions of dollars, and world-wide enmity? Since we don’t have to worry about energy supply, what possible good reason could we have for endless war that reflects competence? Not winning such wars with our overwhelming resources, by definition, assumes incompetence.
    Does not being able to create an acceptable budget show competence?
    In other areas of policy, does allowing our infrastructure, such as highways and bridges, to decay show competence? Did FEMA handle Katrina competently? Did federal government engineers, for that matter, act competently when they built levees that couldn’t perform the task for which they were built?
    I’m getting tired listing areas of incompetency, but if I wished, I could write a two page report showing more examples. Sorry, A, but I must disagree with you here.

  118. Beantownbill May 7, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    What reasons banks have for showing ridiculous entries on their books? Offhand, my aging brain can think of two: because they must, or because somehow it is advantageous for them to do so. Soon, $55,000,000.000,000 will be the cost of mailing a financial statement to a shareholder.

  119. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 5:02 pm #

    Soon wheel barrels full of dollars will be emptied out when stealing the wheel barrel – as happened to Germany when they were bankrupted by the Allied robbers under the Treaty of Versaille.

  120. lucky 13 May 7, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    I scanned the link.
    What does it mean?
    In the comments theres mention of Chomsky, Ron Paul…?

  121. Beantownbill May 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    People will need wheelbarrows to carry their belongings after all the shopping carts are gone.

  122. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    Sorry, A, but I must disagree with you here.
    OK. You make some good points.
    I’ve been traveling and everywhere I go I am seeing newly created infrastructure, which I suppose is a result of the Obama stimulus package which created jobs and repaired infrastructure.
    Government is competent at spending money on wars, unfortunately. Government is competent at creating budgets, unless there is so much partisanship that they decide not to create a budget. Being competent at budgeting is one thing. Choosing not to use your competence is another.

  123. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    What do you mean what does it mean? Do you care to fill in the blanks (have a conversation) or is this another one of your existential koans – like Bill Clinton’s “It all depends on what the meaning of is is. Or Da’s “All there is is is.”
    Ok Cliff take Note: fucking around with the currency was a major factor in bring down the Empire. That and other financial monkeyshines. They were Amazingly like us: Warlike Money Grubbers. The Taxes and Inflation ruined the backbone of the Nation, the small farmers. The farmers had to beg to be kept on as workers on their own farms. All the Land was bought up so the ancient contract with the Legionaires was broken. They no longer got a small farm after their term of service. All they had was their stories then. In the old days they could retire and BE somebody.
    Adams was the grandson I believe of the orignal John Adams. So it was something for him to say that the Founders had made a mistake in basing the currency on Gold and Silver.

  124. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    It is one of the great inventions. When introduced to Black Africans, the Negroes thought it was a fancy basket and carried the wheel barrels on their shoulder.

  125. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    U.S Military Historian and Professor at a Naval College takes another look at Hitler. His conclusion? A Great Man, not Evil but Hard – as Great Men must be. Quite similar to JFK’s point of view.
    counter-currents.com/2013/05/r-h-s-stolfis-hitler-beyond-evil-and-tyranny-part-1/#more-38783

  126. insufferable May 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    After hearinfg on the news (right there makes you wonder if its even true) the 50-60 year olds are committing suicide everywhere. They say its because they are overwhelmed with responsibility ..taking care of their parents and their grown children both groups having no jobs. The middle – agers have been fired and can’t find jobs. So feeling like failures depression sinks in and ……well you know.
    Yesterday I was at the checkout in Pathmark and next checkout near me had an old black lady missing teeth very thin and frail. I overheard the cashier tell her she owned more money or she had to bring stuff back. The old women was not senile and was rummaging through her small wallet looking for money as she started putting a roll of toilet tissue back……on and on..this went on and the people behind her were getting angry and the cashier getting louder all the while this poor old woman was getting more embarrassed. I couldn’t take the selfishness of the people behind her not offering to help her…I asked her cashier quietly how much she owed. $3.19 . I gave the cashier $5
    And told the cashier to give her the change. It was the world to that old woman at that moment as she looked at me with tears in her eyes and whispered “thank you.” I tell you all out there it was the best $5 I ever spent.
    When I got home I told my 17 year old son to always carry extra money in case that experience happens and someone really needs some cash for food etc..
    This is the world we live in now and its going to get worse. With leadership that lies and doesn’t give a damn about it’s own citizens while we are sending soldiers into countries to give them “freedom ” you can bet for sure we all will suffer in some individual way that might not have had to be IF we would have had a baby boom culture that gave a damn about their neighbor instead of themselves and put a relative or friend’s welfare before their own. Its just too God damn late …….too late.

  127. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    John F Kennedy praises Hitler and predicts History will look favorably on him after the hysteria of the War died away. Unfortuanely, Kennedy didn’t take into account the Jewish rise to Power. They will never let the Hysteria die – it is their modus operandi.
    en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy

  128. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Would you have done it for an old White Lady?

  129. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

    Did FEMA handle Katrina competently?
    No, it that case it was incompetent leadership. Bush didn’t give a damn if Black folk were stranded on top of their houses. But that is not to say that government is inherently incompetent. We only need look to the FEMA response to more recent weather events. Even Chris Christie admits Obama kept every one of his promises. Government works. Government is competent… when headed by competent leadership.
    Speaking of hurricanes, the National Weather Service employees, issued a warning that the four furlough days being faced by its members (due to the sequester spending cuts), on top of the cuts already being experienced, could compromise commerce, air travel and weather forecasting. Impacts of the cuts are already beginning to take place. Government can not show its competence when it is not funded.
    In Fairbanks, Alaska, a weather service office that usually houses 20-plus staffers is now permanently down seven workers. The National Hurricane Center is facing several vacancies among its IT staff in the lead up to hurricane season. Government cannot hire competent replacements due to the sequester cuts.

  130. Eleuthero5 May 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    A good read is “The Death of Peak Oil” by Gail the Actuary on theoildrum.com. The title is ironic because Gail shows, with great thoroughness, that shale oil isn’t even going to postpone our ultimate oil armageddon even for a few years. Indeed, even with all the hoopla about the Bakken and other shale oil formations, US oil production is soon going to plummet below the 2011 lows very soon.
    You know that these temporary bonanzas are an illusion when T. Boone Pickens, a crook, starts touting them. Pickens’ family is being sued now for embezzling from their own aerospace business Astrotech whose stock price is below a buck.
    E.

  131. Eleuthero5 May 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    Janos said to Insufferable:
    Would you have done it for an old White Lady?
    ************************************************************
    Sometimes you have to take the needle off of a one-track record. He helped an old lady. It was nice. Let it go at that.
    E.

  132. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

    Still a Libertarian? THAT’s sad…

  133. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

    “Sometimes you have to take the needle off of a one-track record. He helped an old lady.”
    -E5-
    That’s pretty funny, e. And I wish both Janos AND the Troll Trilogy would drop the focus on race.
    Maybe if we all keep making fun of them.
    Nah.
    And it’s interesting that janos instantly assumed that “insufferable” is white. He could be red, yellow, black – or any melanin shade short of purple – who could tell by that little story and his typing.

  134. lucky 13 May 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Hail Hitler.

  135. lucky 13 May 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

    Janos, without an Eva Braun how can yr life
    be complete?

  136. lucky 13 May 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

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  137. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK.
    And you’re right – finance is a mess, whether national or international. It’s too bad that banking and finance will likely be among the last of Former US of A services to relocalize.
    I’m sorry about your comment thread, btw.
    It used to be really something.
    Now you’ve got about 5 recurrent posters worth reading.
    And you’ve got one Troll Trilogy, consisting of asoka..dequatio, “Carol,” and carol….
    You might want to think about some better blog software – that would let your intelligent and worthwhile readers (and there are MANY of these) vote to IGNORE the Troll Trilogy into oblivion.
    Just a thought.

  138. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    If Kunstler were to use an IQ test to block out worthless bloggers, you’d be S.O.L., babe cakes!!!

  139. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    Why did he mention that the old lady was Black? Why was that important, eh? Didn’t your God MLK say that only character was important? Somehow you have failed to notice that Race has now become absolutely everything – the very opposite of what he was ostensibly for. And now posters want to blame me for being obsessed with race? I’m just accepting the new reality. If everything is Race, I want mine to get what is their due.

  140. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    More doom and gloom. Yawn… You bore me. I bet you bore your boyfriend too.

  141. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    If your race got what was due you’d all be hanging from a lamppost right about now, Bee ATCH! No such luck, alas.

  142. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    Heil Lucky. Can’t deal with that John F Kennedy quote can you? The world isn’t as it has been presented to you. I don’t blame you, I only ask you to fight. But like Arjuna, you throw don’t your bow in despair. Pick it the fuck up.
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  143. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 8:32 pm #

    US oil production is soon going to plummet below the 2011 lows very soon
    ============
    Does Gail the Actuary own a crystal ball? A future “plummet”? I could just as easily say that low-hanging easily extracted oil is going to be found in unprecedented quantities in new oil field discoveries “very soon.”
    Nobody knows the future. At least be hones and acknowledge your pro-peak oil bias.
    Gail the Actuary also makes stupid statements like “natural gas liquids– which can’t be used to make gasoline for your car”
    Hello? Cars can run on LNG instead of gasoline. They can, and do, run on LNG in many parts of the world.
    Even in the USA Clean Energy Fuels Corp. (Nasdaq: CLNE), North America’s leading provider of natural gas fuel for transportation, has already completed 68 fueling station projects in 16 states, including five LNG truck fueling stations on America’s Natural Gas Highway. The project aims to offer 150 LNG truck filling stations connecting major transit routes across the US before the end of 2014.
    America’s Natural Gas Highway got a further boost as key stakeholders, Clean Energy Fuels and GE, signed an agreement in December 2012 to provide fuel efficient technologies and micro-financing for the ‘Coast-to-Coast and Border-to-Border’ infrastructure.
    China, the world’s second largest user of fuel, recently unveiled a natural gas policy advocating LNG for the first time, targeting the transport sector and covering buses, taxis, trucks and ships. The policy sets out the country’s aim to reduce its diesel dependency, the main fuel used in China’s transport sector.
    The European Union has also set a target of increasing the share of biofuels and alternative fuels, including natural gas, to 10 and 20% respectively by 2020. In order to achieve these, a European project called the Blue Corridor has established four pan-European routes, with strategically placed LNG filling stations for heavy, long-distance truck transport throughout the continent. These will guarantee fleets fuel availability along the Mediterranean coast into the inner parts of central Europe.
    If LNG is being used, instead of gasoline, for truck fleets, buses, ships, taxis, etc., do you think this might mean more availability of gasoline for your car? You think? Who the hell is Gail the Actuary anyway and why bring him/her here to CFN to fuck up a perfectly good Tuesday with nonsensical peak oil gibberish?

  144. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    Addendum:
    Since natural gas produces 97% less carbon monoxide, 99% less particulate matter and 100% fewer evaporative emissions than gasoline, and is also significantly cheaper than oil, maybe we will hit peak oil “very soon” because we will stop looking for it and stop extracting it when we switch over to LNG and just leave the oil in the ground.

  145. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:40 pm #

    Touching and moving story, but your tail betrays you, insuff. At one point you lament that the 50-60 year old crowd is financially stretched providing for their parents and young offspring. The next moment you’re lambasting the selfishness of …that SAME GENERATION! So which is it??? I have to call bull shit on this one, insuff. Nice tail, though. Semi entertaining between all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. Just sorry I forgot the popcorn.

  146. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    You’re making a flawed assumption that he actually READS anything that contradicts his preconceived bullshit notions. That would be the hallmark of a literate, well-informed mind, not of some retired, state pension funded, and bitter professor hack.

  147. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    “Why did he mention that the old lady was Black? Why was that important, eh?”
    -js-
    Reasonable questions, janos, but they have no answers.
    Speaking of which – why did you assume that insufferable was white?
    Did Bill of Boston assume that insuff was Jewish?
    Did asoka..dequatio assume that insuff was an Osho knock-off?
    Did St. Elmo assume insuff was a FF/EMT?
    Did “carol….” project that he or she was a visibly and demonstrably homophobic moron who enjoys making “gay insults?”
    “carol…” should have.
    Because THAT shoe fits, at least.

  148. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    “You bore me. I bet you bore your boyfriend too.”
    -carol…making homophobic insult-
    Sorry – I should have specified 8:26.

  149. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

    Speaking of bores, isn’t it well past your bedtime, Kramps?

  150. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    Sorry…’E’ is every bit as “straight” as you! LOL!!!

  151. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    Nice little story, insuf. Janos asks an interesting question. I assume you’d be race neutral with your charity in today’s wildly prosperous and financially dichotomized US of A.
    Just be careful out there.
    True story follows:
    I’ve got an old family friend, born about 1920 or so.
    She’s got about 2000 acres of decent Georgia Piedmont land, at least, in timber and deer hunting leases. She’s got several hundred head of cattle, managed on grassland – and profitable in their own right.
    She also owns about a block of “prime?” real estate in a walkable county seat in an old Georgia town.
    Point is – this gal’s not hurting.
    Yet, she “po’ mouths,” like many of her generation.
    She was in line at the local grocery store, dressed pretty shabby, because she’d been out that day, working her cows and making some more money.
    And as part of her “po’ mouthing” sthick, she’s cutting up with the grocery clerk, talking about the price of her groceries and saying as she fished around for some money in her pocketbook, “I hope I’ve got enough to pay for these groceries.”
    Well, they guy behind her in line overheard her and said, “Here, let me help you a little.” And he gave her a 20 dollar bill.
    She was too flummoxed and embarrassed to try to give it back to him.
    Oddly – he was an “out-of-town” investor who had made an offer on her city block.
    She asked me, “Law’, what am I gonna’ do if we go to closing on that property and he recognizes me?”
    I told her, “There’s no way he’ll recognize you unless you’re in your old beat-up clothes, coming home from working your cows.” “And if he does recognize you – just give him his $20 back!”
    That deal fell through as part of the real estate collapse. But it would have made for a funny experience at the closing table – you all have got to admit.

  152. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    “Speaking of bores, isn’t it well past your bedtime, Kramps?”
    Dayummn! Now you’re calling me Vlad Kramps.
    Are you that female US expat living in Costa Rico whose name I have trouble remembering?
    Dee, right?

  153. carolnewquist... May 7, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

    And you call me a lame story teller! What a crock of unmitigated horseshit! It’s getting elbow high in hear,or should I say “hee yah” as they due down south? Even so, color me “out” for the eve!!!

  154. progress4conserving May 7, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    “And you call me a lame story teller! What a crock of unmitigated horseshit!”
    – carol…, proving “Carol” affiliation? –
    I’ve attacked “Carol’s” story-telling because “she” pretends to be a writer.
    I don’t believe I’ve attacked yours, “carol…”
    You are, indeed, the Troll Trilogy.
    ====================
    And every word of that story is 100% true.
    If I’m lying, I’m dying.
    And yeah, asoka..dequatio..osho…we’re all dying.
    I know.
    It’s just a figure of speech.
    And it’s a true story.

  155. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 10:49 pm #

    No wasn’t Vlad Kramps a gay Black poster? Or was that also Asoka? And remember poor Vlad Cunt? She may have been my soulmate!

  156. Janos Skorenzy May 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    What a strange thing to do – very alien to my Northern sensibility. Why do they act out in this way? To use Yoda speak: Beg or don’t beg. But half beg when you don’t even need to? Unattractive to say the least.

  157. Beantownbill May 7, 2013 at 11:24 pm #

    I believe Insufferable is a she.

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  159. adequatio May 7, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    I’m beginning to think P4C is one of the Asoka sock puppets.

  160. progress4conserving May 8, 2013 at 12:00 am #

    “I believe Insufferable is a she.”
    -btb-
    Yep, OK Bill, could well be – and there I go proving the power of “preconceived notions” once for all. There was nothing in that one post that showed insuff to be female. If there was something earlier, I missed it. Would you care to share?
    And – as I’ve said before – I always assume other posters to be just as wonderful/honest/successful/generous/intelligent/brave/thrifty/clean/and reverent as I am – absent evidence to the contrary.
    I suppose I must also assume them to be male, middle aged, white, Christian, and American – again, absent evidence to the contrary.
    fascinating, right?
    What did you think of my story about the lady and the grocery line and the $20.00?
    You’ve got to know some people who do the opposite of “flaunting their wealth,” right?
    That’s all she was doing.
    stand by.

  161. progress4conserving May 8, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    “Beg or don’t beg. But half beg when you don’t even need to?” -js-
    Nope – there was (and IS, she’s still alive and kicking) nothing about this lady that has anything to do with “begging.”
    You would have to understand that generation of Southerners. Their parents came up HARD in the aftermath of Reconstruction. And they, themselves came up HARD in the Great Depression.
    Never brag. Never stand out.
    And NEVER, ever, put on airs or “flaunt your prosperity.”
    This lady is a contemporary to my parents – now both deceased. So I get it, totally. Any native born (prior to 1980?) Southerner (black OR white) would understand, totally – with no need of the explanation that you seek.
    If you see anything of “begging” in that little story I told about her – you don’t get it at all, Vlad. Not at all.
    ———————
    As Wage used to say – the South isn’t another region, it’s a whole ‘nother country.
    And we Americans expect the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan and Whereverthehellistan to behave “normally” just a decade or so after we’ve been bombing and invading them.
    fascinating. hubris. on our part.

  162. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 12:47 am #

    Yeah we’re having a disconnect of some kind. To me talking to people about whether you have the money for your purchases is bizarre and smacks of begging – at least in the sense of looking for sympathy. That’s why the guy gave her the 20 after all.
    The general life experience you describe I’m familiar with – my mother embodied it. But our people reacted differently evidently. We would never be caught dead doing poor mouth.
    Remember, this is a big reversal, yes? I revere the South for its Pride and Struggle. But yeah, not this little attitude you are describing. But even the much watered down Southern Love Negroes as Individuals but not as a Race I can dig – far more than the reverse.

  163. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    Another possibility: superstition leading to an unconscious ritual to appease the gods? Chinese peasants used to crouch in their ride paddies yelling up to heaven, “bad rice, bad rice”. They were afraid the gods would be jealous of their good crop or think them arrogant for their satisfaction – and punish them. Perhaps your friend is trying to forstall such a judgement by a similar pretense.
    W.C Fields was so unsure of his success that he started bank accounts in every city he performed in. He said he had no idea of how many accounts he had or where. Just a cold terror of the wolf at the door.

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  165. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 8, 2013 at 1:18 am #

    “And we Americans expect the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan and Whereverthehellistan to behave “normally” just a decade or so after we’ve been bombing and invading them.
    fascinating. hubris. on our part.”
    -pro4C
    beautifully said, Pro… btb, I appreciate your converstional writing style, too, P4C. Learnin’ lots. Thanks.
    *************************
    Though not related to P4C’s convo with Count White Chocula or JHK’s theme this week, this just in from Dr. Roberts:
    “Obama, who has betrayed democracy in America, unleashing execution on American citizens without due process of law and war without the consent of Congress, provoked Maduro’s response by suggesting that Maduro’s newly elected government might be fraudulent. Obviously, Obama is piqued that the millions of dollars his administration spent trying to elect an American puppet instead of Maduro failed to do the job.
    If anyone has accurately summed up Washington, it is the Venezuelans.
    Who can forget Chevez standing at the podium of the UN General Assembly in New York City speaking of George W. Bush? Quoting from memory: “Right here, yesterday, at this very podium stood Satan himself, speaking as if he owned the world. You can still smell the sulphur.” -PCR
    ************************************************
    This as we have a national discussion about how to invest in energy infrastructure as well as other domestic probrems.
    Craig continues the thought to explain how the left-wing doesn’t really exist and hasn’t since the Reagan era, the collapse of the USSR, and how “The End of History Idiots” made the left-wing irrelevant. Capitalism won; therefore, we’re always the good guys! Just look at us now, pa! ;>)
    paulcraigroberts.org/
    So just why is it that other countries can see past the bogus Right VS Left dichotomy in our country and WE cannot? Talk about drowning in the deep end of a cesspool; gripes about either side seem to confuse the issues, no? Hmmm. I’m probably missing something.
    ~UFIA

  166. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:39 am #

    Are we going to let Israel get us into another war? They bombed Syria and now they have to take the comeback. Let’s let them go this one alone. Maybe the humility of maturity will result.

  167. lucky 13 May 8, 2013 at 2:14 am #

    Moonbattery:
    Obama is spending over $300,000.00 of taxpayers’ money to develop a so–called … “culturally relevant stigma-reducing intervention” program for the transgender population in India.

  168. Eleuthero5 May 8, 2013 at 3:05 am #

    Asoka said:
    Since natural gas produces 97% less carbon monoxide, 99% less particulate matter and 100% fewer evaporative emissions than gasoline, and is also significantly cheaper than oil, maybe we will hit peak oil “very soon” because we will stop looking for it and stop extracting it when we switch over to LNG and just leave the oil in the ground.
    ************************************************************
    Like your alter ego, “Carol”, you are a “techno-triumphalist”. What a dummy!! Right, dude, we’re going to convert 200 million cars to natgas overnight and leave the oil in the ground. And some genius will try to find a way to fly planes on natgas. Even your goofy alter ego has made all these posts about stuff showing up in showrooms “around 2018”.
    If you don’t like Gail the Actuary then read the FIRST post on theoildrum.com today. You’re also an arithmetic idiot because you haven’t even read how the conversion to natgas will skyrocket its price and blow utilities out of the water.
    Sorry … you’re just another Jiminy Cricket optimist who points at vague innovations as if they’ll just happen without a staggering level of national commitment … which is nowhere to be found.
    E.

  169. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 3:22 am #

    as if they’ll just happen without a staggering level of national commitment … which is nowhere to be found.
    You cannot be so stupid.
    National commitment is found around the globe in countries like Brazil, Germany, China, etc. As time passes… (it is NOT CRUNCH TIME so we have time) … more and more national commitment will be forthcoming.
    Consciousness of our predicament is arriving slowly, but it is coming, as anyone who reads widely would know. We are not toast, professor.

  170. Mike Moskos May 8, 2013 at 3:35 am #

    Two things:
    1. Does anyone else get the sense that Dick Cheney is still running the government.
    2. And which politician was it that was harping about the Federal Reserve? Ron Paul. There was a decided smear campaign against from both the left and the neocons. From the left, he was a cranky, old, racist and from the right, cranky old Ross Perot type who, while he might have a few good ideas, was too far out there to actually run the county.
    PS: The best investment you can make is to plant fruit trees. Once they start to fruit, they’ll pay you back the first year and continue to increase production. A local PhD candidate here in South Florida calculated what his labor was worth for the time he spent building a garden: $20 an hour. Most of the labor went to hand watering (so he could measure the water use). Automate the watering and the labor value was 4X or about $80 a hour. http://www.justonebackyard.com

  171. hj1bhdyz5 May 8, 2013 at 5:17 am #

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  172. insufferable May 8, 2013 at 6:52 am #

    To those people who are curious about me let me tell you I am female white Christian married happily ON UNEMPLOYMENT after a 25 year teaching career excessed due to budget cuts.
    And a side note to Janus…….good luck to you in the world of narcissism and selfishness. I don’t want to pass judgement on you mainly because at the end of your life you will be judge by how you judged others. So be careful how you think of ways to stand above others and throw stones.
    And to those who can’t believe it is possible to HAVE A HEART BY JUST LOOKING AFTER A STRANGER just remember that when a stranger in need is at your door don’t turn away from them. That stranger just might be an angel.
    Black white Jew Christian liberal conservative rich or poor…these labels don’t define you. What defines you is your ability to be kind honest and true to your word. Its really the battle of good vs. evil. And both those qualities exists in each of us no matter how you “define ” yourself. What path do you choose to follow isthe only free choice you have in this world.

  173. insufferable May 8, 2013 at 7:01 am #

    You have a great story but when God offersyou a chance to do a good deed that opportunity is for your souls improvement. The person you are helping is really irrelevent. If you don’t believe in God or souls then just disregard everything I just wrote because it just wont have any relevance to you.

  174. insufferable May 8, 2013 at 7:08 am #

    Janos. It was $5. I am on unemployment after two years of searching for work I still cannot find a job. However I do volunteer work at my parish. What do u do everyday? Kick cats hit children and deny loans to people which want to start small businesses……..or do u just sit on your ass and show everyone how stupid you are (o excuse me) I meant how intelligent and productive youare?

  175. insufferable May 8, 2013 at 7:18 am #

    Carol. Killing yourself is the ultimate act of selfishness. It the way of saying I don’t give a damn about you…..its all about me……poor little old me….my life is so bad my story is so sad etc. Obviously the baby boomers who are able to be human beings are doing the right thing by sticking around and helping. I was assuming the people in this forum are intelligent enough to realize that one does not mean 100% of anything is possible. The world consists of many ratios including the Boomer generation of good and not so good people. Boomer good is also out there. Unfortunately the other side gets more headlines.

  176. insufferable May 8, 2013 at 7:21 am #

    Of course after this flurry of replies I am sure the bashing and hatred will now commence so I will just wish you all a fine week and just fire away. 🙂

  177. carolnewquist... May 8, 2013 at 7:27 am #

    There are teaching jobs here in Kansas if you ever decide to stop being on the dole.

  178. carolnewquist... May 8, 2013 at 7:36 am #

    He sure do sound like Asoka, what with that steaming pile of doo doo giving in the supermarket. Pro go corn hole urself may be Asoka resurrected.

  179. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Hey Vlad nice mention of WC Fields. That guy was great. “The Bank Dick”, “Never Give a Sucker an Even Break” … those were classics. I’ve read that on Dec. 7, 1941, Bing Crosby was visiting at Fields Hollywood home when the announcement came over the radio of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Suddenly Fields looked nervous and rushed to the telephone, placing a call. Shortly after a truck pulled up to his house and two men began unloading cases of gin. Fields looked at Crosby and said, in his own inimitable way, “It might be a long war”. Just thinking about that makes me laugh.
    Even the local, left wing rag out of Torrington, CT is in on the Energy Bonanza Act, stating today Saudi Arabia has ramped up production to almost 10 million bpd, but soon our own domestic production will top that figure. This is what’s out there and this is what Jim wrote about last week. When he talks about “consensus trance”, is this what he means? I don’t know, maybe the late Matt Simmons was wrong about the Arabian Peninsula in his book “Twilight in the Desert”. I mean it came out 7 years ago already and The House of Saud is still pumping a sh-tload of Petroleum.
    –CD

  180. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    Eluthero I’m a little surprised at your characterization of T Boone Pickens as a ‘crook’. I’ve always thought of him as a stand up guy, maybe a little bit optimistic when it came to the potential of NatGas.
    –CD

  181. ront May 8, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    PEOPLE REALLY SUFFER ALL THE TIME
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    Ninety-nine percent of human suffering is not necessary. Through obstinate ignorance people inflict suffering upon themselves and their fellowmen, and then, strangely enough, they ask, “Why should we suffer?” Suffering is generally symbolised by scenes of war: devastated houses, broken and bleeding limbs, the agonies of torture and death; but war does not embody any _special_ suffering. _People really suffer all the time. They suffer because they are not satisfied – they want more and more. War is more an outcome of the universal suffering of dissatisfaction than an embodiment or representative suffering._ Through his greed, vanity and cruelty, man brings untold
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    Man is not content to create suffering only for himself, but he is
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  182. ozone May 8, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    “So just why is it that other countries can see past the bogus Right VS Left dichotomy in our country and WE cannot? Talk about drowning in the deep end of a cesspool; gripes about either side seem to confuse the issues, no? Hmmm. I’m probably missing something.” -UFIA
    You’re not missing anything that some generous lashings of cynicism and pissed-off-edness at being “played” wouldn’t allow you to see. ;o)
    I REITERATE:
    “It is my deepest wish that the left, right, and all in between stop pointing horizontally when they say “enemy” but look up to that faceless elite.”
    -Carolyn Chute c. 1999
    Those that would holler that this is a silly or fanciful idea, work for the elite in one capacity or another. Count on it; everyone has their price, including the vaunted “objective” members of the press (as CD could handily tell you, as he reads many dailies, daily).
    The left/right paradigm has two purposes: To keep the populace divided and to give the lumpen the illusion that they have choices that will benefit them. This gives the ringmasters a free hand to do just as they please while the trapeze act keeps the audience diverted.
    I’m sure PCR also remembers (perhaps a bit selectively) that his boss also went about whacking anybody he damn well felt like with military muscle. “Ronbo”. That’s not a point of moral relativism; it’s just the Pathocracy havin’ fun and doin’ what they do. (Wuzzat you or Bustin that coined that term?)
    Alright, now you can tell me just why S. Carolinians put that lying fuck and famous hiker of the Appalachian Trail, Sanford, back in office. Your thoughts appreciated.

  183. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 11:15 am #

    Come on now, Oz. What was Sanford’s transgression? Just getting a little Latin American Action on side is all! He had that Argentinian honey and just couldn’t stay away. I’ve seen her photo and I don’t blame him one minute. Somebody had to be nailing her and that somebody was Gov. Sanford. He’d be crazy of he didn’t.
    –CD

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  185. ozone May 8, 2013 at 11:30 am #

    “…just another Jiminy Cricket optimist who points at vague innovations as if they’ll just happen without a staggering level of national commitment … which is nowhere to be found.” -E.
    A “national commitment” would have to depend on a general consensus of the populace would it not? Keeping said populace divided and lied to seems to be the single-minded pursuit of the elite these dark days, so as long as confidence exists in the so-called leadership by the average dupe, there is no reason to think BAU will not continue until constrained by lack of resources. …And, at that time, no amount of wishing or propaganda will make a piss-hole in a snowbank’s worth of difference to the predicaments.

  186. ozone May 8, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    Sure. Point taken about the scent of a sexual gymnasium inside an Argentinian hotel room. ;o)
    …Still doesn’t erase the fact that he’s a PROVEN (and very PUBLIC) LIAR.
    We get the leadershit we deserve, eh? Guess we prefer to be lied to at all times? That would indicate that the guy with the sign reading, “The end is near”, might have a handle on the state of the state.

  187. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    Let me put it this way, OZPete. In June, 1812 Napoleon invaded Russia with 612,000 troops. After the hard fought and bloody battle of Borodino he occupied Moscow that December. Only problem is the Russians had burned the city to the ground and the French army began starving and freezing to death straight away. So began a long fighting retreat back to France with the army disintegrating all around him. (only about 8000 out of the original 615,000 made it back) Did Napoleon Worry? Hell no! With a small security detachment he bolted to Poland where a sweet young Polish thing awaited. He spent some rather pleasant days and nights there while his Grande Armee sank into the Russian earth. Nobody blames him. That’s what my neighbor used to call the power of the Putwat. Sanford pales by comparison.
    –CD

  188. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    French authorities enquired until 1914 about what happened to their 600,000 soldiers. The poker faced Russian said they would look into it.
    –CD

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  190. Beantownbill May 8, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    “See the man on the flying trapeze
    He flies through the air with the greatest of ease…”
    OOPS!

  191. ozone May 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    Ha! Relativism again. The degree of the mendacity is more important than the fact of it? Would you buy from the butcher who you know has his thumb on the scale? Would you buy lumber from a mill than sizes their timbers a foot short and 2-bys at 1 1/4″ (instead of the “standard” lie of 1 1/2″-1 5/8″)? Gravel from a quarry that shorts you a ton in every truckload? The baker who throws in a goodly amount of sawdust (from the cheating lumbermill) into his bread dough? Where is the line allowed to be drawn?
    Marky Sanford, Public Liar, entrusted with gum’mint funds and the power of “lawmaking” for the good of the people of S. Carolina.
    (Makes me want to laugh and spit on his shoes, all at the same time! ;o)
    I think I’ll “be satisfied” when the denizens of that state look up in bewilderment and squeak, “What the fuck happened here?” At that point I’d advise them to take a hike…

  192. ozone May 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    “[Nappy] bolted to Poland where a sweet young Polish thing awaited. He spent some rather pleasant days and nights there while his Grande Armee sank into the Russian earth. Nobody blames him.” -CD
    I meant to make a brief comment on this.
    I would be willing to place a small wager that a few surviving members of that Grande Armee felt some mild, niggling pangs of disillusionment regarding their god-like General. (Just a guess, of course.)

  193. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Sanford pales by comparison.
    —————-
    600,000 deaths!
    Kind of puts Obama’s visits to Hawaii and Clinton’s fling with Monica into perspective. Thanks!

  194. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    In other words, you worship Negroes as Saints. And if one Group is lauded to the skies, another group must be ground into the dirt. See how evil you are?

  195. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    JFK said that Hitler was a great man. And the Navy Historian agrees with him. W.C Fields isn’t important. Stop being trivial.

  196. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    Millions of Germans Civilians died in the retreat from the Baltic States after WW2. And countless Germans died of malnutrition – starved to death by the Allies. The POW’s in Eisenhower’s Death Camps suffered most of all.
    But does any of this bother you? No. Your whole life is based on comparmentalism.

  197. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    The regime is tottering as the real people on the ground in Libya refuse to be silent. One Gregory Hicks, the highest ranking American Offical in Libya, said that Susan Rice didn’t even bother talking to him before she went on the Sunday News shows. She was just parroting the words Hillary had taught her. This feckless, arrogant woman must never again be allowed any place in our goverment. President? What a horrible joke.

  198. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

    And what could be crueler than a woman aborting her own baby? Turning her womb, the Temple of Life, into a charnel house? And what does this to the woman herself? Good women are driven to despair by it. And psychologists refuse to recognize this despair.
    And what of women who don’t feel this guilt? Consider the incredible deadness of their inner lives.

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Fund-raising behavior of state home rental, Guangdong Law Law Firm tube iron flow lawyer, said the state home rental behavior, suspected the substance of legal cover up the illegal fund-raising. He believes that the company’s business practices, oriented not specific public financing to retail debt service commitment within a certain period of time, suspected of illegal fund-raising. ? the a creditor investment Kuniie in experience ? nearly 60-year-old Ms. Wang came into contact with each other due to the Dongguan Kuniie can provide free health advice. ? Kuniie employees to sell, the purchase of the company’s consumer card, up to 30% return on investment, the return is known as consultancy fee, quarterly payment. Ms. Wang has invested $ 20 million. ? A month later, the state house employees for the same reasons to persuade Ms. Wang reinvested 40 million. The ? Subsequently, Ms. Wang also took additional two 40 million. The Dongguan Kuniie committed to pay consultancy fees, but every time included new investment. The ? investment maturity, state house and proposed to build a “state home rental experience store, Ms. Wang had the total investment and return, plus 40,000 yuan, packaged into a total of 160 million to build stores costs, promised a year after the debt service. The ? experience the store fails to open, Kuniie empty. Link Nanjing Kuniie: 317 allegedly cheated more than 70 million just the Dongguan Kuniie fund raising problem surfaced, three or four months since the country has more than one branch, including Qingdao, Zhenjiang, Wuxi, Shenzhen, Nanjing, one after another appears the Cu
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  200. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    No man is a hero to his valet, not because the hero is not a hero, but because the valet is a valet. Hegel.
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  201. ComradeDystopia May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Whoa there Vlad! Hold on there!
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    What the hell does that make Osho, Ali Baba and that statue with all the arms sticking out then?
    –CD

  202. lucky 13 May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Fruit is not that nourishing.
    I knew someone who died on a fruit diet, from malnutrition.
    Nuts and berries are better, no joke.

  203. lucky 13 May 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Spanish put 1 broken tile in beautiful fountains, etc.
    [nothing perfect will remain].
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    .

  204. lucky 13 May 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    While “comprehensive immigration reform” winds through the U.S. political process, a few countries (including the United States) have already severely bent the nationalistic standards supposedly regulating entry of foreigners.
    The U.S., Britain, Canada and Austria allow rich investors who pass background checks to qualify for an express lane to residence or citizenship, and the line is even less onerous in the Caribbean nations of Dominica and St. Kitts & Nevis, which offer quick citizenship for investments of $100,000 and $250,000, respectively — the latter especially valuable, allowing access to 139 countries including all of Europe.
    (The U.S. minimum is $1 million, or half that for investment in an “economically depressed” area, but the reward is only a “green card,” with citizenship still five years away.) [Associated Press via WNEW-TV (New York City), 2-12-2013]

  205. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    That’s important. Imperfection must be part of perfection. Perfection is ruined by people who are obsessed with it – it cannot exist in this realm anyway. And to try to make things perfect results in much greater imperfection.

  206. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    You are too much into the past. But if you must, read Mencken – a good American Fascist.

  207. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Bravo, the Latin Firecracker was made for sex. You are a man. Pete is a talking cabbage head.

  208. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    That’s what I’ve been saying for years. How can anyone miss it now as Neo Con and Neo Lib are converging? Obama continues Bush’s policies and Hillary will continue his.
    Communism is a Conspiracy by the Bankers against the World. Now the masks are off and the Left and the Right openly cooperate. Anti-Fas demonstrate for mass immigration for Pete’s sake!

  209. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

    If a man can get a piece of Latin tail now and then, what’s the point? Why did we grow all those bananas for? Why did we fight those evil Natsies? And how did the Latins thank us? By giving refuge to them. So fuck them.

  210. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

    I knew someone who died on a fruit diet
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    Lucky 13, the botanical definition of a fruit is anything with seeds in it.
    You will not die on a fruit diet if you eat botanical fruits, things like avocados, green peppers, tomatoes, eggplant, etc. in addition to the citrus fruits and the berries and bananas and all the other fruits, especially if you also eat seeds and nuts.

  211. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    What makes me suspect ProCon is Asoka is that he/she brings up Asoka every week and derails whatever discussion is ongoing.
    ProCon’s obsession with immigration is also a good head fake… he is taking the opposite position of Asoka to try to throw us off, but we know ProCon/Asoka doesn’t really have a position (he contains multitudes and argues just to argue!).
    ProCon is Asoka.

  212. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

    And how did the Latins thank us?
    ===========
    Let’s see, by feeding us and taking care of our kids, allowing all the smart white executives to ruin the country from their office suites and banks?

  213. stelmosfire May 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    Finally some gotdam rain. I have never seen it so dry in April or May. April showers bring May flowers. The climate is messed up. I don’t care what you naysayers preach. I know I am a short timer. Half a century plus. But the weather is messed up.

  214. ozone May 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

    Now see there?
    Conversing with paid idiots never seems to make ’em any brighter, does it? ;o)

  215. ozone May 8, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

    Yep, and now it will probably rain for a month! (The timing of this rain is just about perfect for the trees and such leafing out; it’s forecast to continue, off and on, for about a week. POP!)

  216. ozone May 8, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    Now back to the matter at hand.
    “Lindblom’s notion of the market as prison can easily be extended to the global capital markets of today. As Robert Kuttner recently put it in his review of David Graeber’s Debt: The First 5,000 Years, “entire economies abroad, indentured to past debts, find themselves in a metaphoric debtors’ prison where they can neither repay creditors nor resume productive livelihoods.” Similarly, financial lawyer Ross Buckley has written that “we still have something very like debtors’ prisons for highly indebted nations.” As we saw in Greece and Italy in 2011, the automatic disciplinary mechanism of global capital markets ultimately serves to undermine democratic procedures, replacing them with technocratic administration. In the process, politicians are reduced to the role of temporary managers of the state apparatus in the name of financial capital; an arrangement that is ultimately much more convenient and much less costly to the global bankers’ alliance than sending in gunboats or physically occupying a country. In this sense, today’s Financial Empire is really not just a metaphor: it is the culmination of capitalist development into the perfected form of imperialism — one that hardly requires any bloodshed on the part of capital while still ensuring a massive upwards wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich.”
    If you’d like attribution, show enough give-a-shit to ask for it; otherwise continue with the paid deconstruction and bullshittery.

  217. ozone May 8, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    Bye the bye, this is just the very BEGINNING of the exposure and acknowledgement of Global Loan Sharking. We’re about to see who owns whose asses. We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet, and our “lifestyles” are ALL negotiable (aside from a very select few, cruising hither and yon on their yachts).

  218. carolnewquist... May 8, 2013 at 6:21 pm #

    I know, right!!! What is up with the commenters on this site? No one ever has anything of value to add.

  219. carolnewquist... May 8, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    I think you’re fruity. And more than a wee bit nutty. Maybe eat a sandwich now and again, but not a turd sandwich. You’ve obviously had more than enough of those. Time to lay off of ’em. just sayin….

  220. Janos Skorenzy May 8, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    They didn’t do it for free. It’s called a job.

  221. adequatio May 8, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    ProCon/Asoka effectively killed CFN with his obsessive posting on immigration endangering world survival.
    Ozone and CD try but CFN just won’t resuscitate.
    R.I.P. … or after the amnesty I guess I should say Q.E.P.D.
    Viva la reconquista!
    LOL!

  222. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    They didn’t do it for free. It’s called a job.
    Oh, I know the white folks didn’t wreck the country for free. They had jobs as hedge fund managers, brokers, bankers, etc. … plus they got stock options, bonuses, etc. and they have money stashed in off-shore accounts. White folks did a job on the whole economy that’s for sure.
    Viva la reconquista!
    “Path to citizenship”, NO!
    Immediate and complete AMNESTY, YES!
    LOL!

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  230. progress4conserving May 9, 2013 at 9:04 am #

    “…on immigration endangering world survival.”
    -asoka..-
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  231. stelmosfire May 9, 2013 at 10:28 am #

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  232. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    You are right. I stand corrected. I mistakenly said LNG when I meant to say CNG (compressed natural gas). CNG has advantages over LNG. CNG is a clean-burning natural gas and has become the alternative fuel of choice for transit, refuse, and many other heavy-duty vehicles. High-strength and lightweight materials allow CNG pressures up to 3,600 PSIG, providing increased fuel storage capacities while keeping the total system weight low. Buses for example, can be set up with CNG that is the equivalent energy of 194 gallons of diesel, without the contaminants.
    CNG has unlimited hold times with no fuel loss, is a more mature technology, does not depend on cryogenics, uses simple fuel tanks and pressure management and can be customized for different applications.
    CNG is already in wide use. Some companies are selling taxis with CNG simple conversion kits. Hyundai Colombia Automotriz, for example, has two models, the Atos and Accent, with Hyundai factory-installed and guaranteed natural gas vehicle conversion kits for the local taxi market. Hyundai is the dominant taxi brand in Colombia with a target of 12,000 unit sales this year.
    Ford Motor Co. said this week that it sold a record 11,600 natural gas vehicles in its 2012 model year, more than triple the number it sold in 2010.
    It’s the latest sign that natural gas is making inroads as a transportation fuel, particularly for truck fleets, buses and taxis. The consumer market is tougher to crack, but sales are gaining there as well.
    Natural gas is cheap and plentiful in the U.S. after a spike in production that began in the middle of last decade. At the same time, the price of gasoline and diesel fuel has jumped more than 30%.
    That makes natural gas — which also emits fewer greenhouse gases — an increasingly attractive option for truck companies and municipalities. Progress is slow, but as oil becomes more expensive the push for CNG vehicles will only increase. Our environment, our air, will be the better for it.
    Thanks for this on-topic response, and thanks for correcting my LNG error. I should have said CNG.

  233. lucky 13 May 9, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    Jim K, please ban this guy, under all his names.

  234. ComradeDystopia May 9, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    Hey RipT did you plant anything yet?
    Historically, last frost is about May 10, which, despite climate change, hasn’t moved since records have been kept (late 1870s).
    Maybe I’ll wait a few days to start. Oz, how about you?
    –ComradeDystopia, the Maximum Comrade

  235. Carol Newquist May 9, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

    I agree. Let’s frack until we drop.
    forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/02/12/president-obama-gets-it-fracking-is-awesome/

    This is an awesome accomplishment. And it is all thanks to fracking. Without the techniques of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, this Great American Oil & Gas Boom would simply not exist.

  236. Carol Newquist May 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    From that article, Obama said this:

    What’s more, as President Obama said tonight, “over the last four years, our emissions of the dangerous carbon pollution that threatens our planet have actually fallen.”

    Maybe that’s true. I’d have to review how he got his numbers, but it’s not the whole truth about the increasing overall degradation of the environment. Take ground level ozone, for example. It’s increasing to dangerous levels everywhere, not just typically in urban areas.
    nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/bad_ozone.html

    “I think what we have to dispel is that ozone pollution is confined to places like Los Angeles and Houston,” says Fishman. “Despite emission controls that have resulted in notable reductions in many American cities, O3 concentrations in non-urban areas in both the U.S. and around the world are increasing, with negative impacts to all living things — plants, animals, and people.”

    Fracking, and then later the storage of natural gas, added to the burning of ethanol, which believe it or not is worse for ground level ozone creation than gasoline, are adding tremendously to this increase, so it looks to me that by switching from gasoline to natural gas is likened to switching from one frying pan to another. This is the problem when you concentrate solely on CO2; it takes precedence over all other forms of emissions and the implications of those emissions.

  237. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    Contrary to CFN lore (see comments of jlofgren for examples), oil and natural gas drilling are getting easier in some ways, as success rates for finding reserves have increased from 75% in 1990 to 90% in 2009.
    Fortunately the environmental impact of fracking is being mitigated by the competent Obama administration.
    Last year the competent U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced new and updated air pollution regulations for fracking facilities (and for certain other elements of oil and natural gas production and transmission.
    Compliance with the new EPA regulations is expected to result in major reductions in emissions of methane and volatile organic compounds (VOCs), particularly from new fracked natural gas wells.
    As JHK says: It’s all good.

  238. ComradeDystopia May 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    The Court Jester assumes many roles and wears many disguises.
    Not permitted to fraternize with the court that surrounds him, he creates many different characters, and carries on a conversation with himself.
    All for our entertainment and reading pleasure.
    –CD

  239. Rhino May 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    My aging brain agrees. “Somehow” it’s advantageous. At least for somebody and for the time being.
    Deutsche Bank aren’t the only ones taking a holiday from reality. Also residing at the Hoo Hoo Hotel is JP Morgan Chase who has a shrieking 69 trillion USD in derivatives on the books. Look at page 220 on their 2012 annual report in the notes to the consolidated financial statements. There it is big as life.
    What’s troubling is the unblinking expectation that such stuff be accepted as being within the bounds of reason. They might say that they ticked all the boxes, that auditors and a board of directors oversee all this stuff.
    And I would reply so bloody what? I mean, given the calamitous stuff that both auditors and boards have signed off on at all kinds of companies. And how did a number like 69 trillion get past the gatekeepers?
    Maybe now there’s broad agreement that lunacy is sanity. But others must be chuckling and rolling their eyes and saying in their most condescending tones: calm down, think about it, all those people that dedicate their lives to studying the workings of the financial system, all those degreed and seasoned professionals can’t be wrong, right? If they think it’s ok then it must be ok, right? We dodged the bullet in ’08, right? Besides, millions of people can’t be wrong, right? Or nuts for that matter. Right? And besides, as long as everyone agrees that the emperor has clothes then it doesn’t matter whether he does or he doesn’t. Right?
    Well, no. Not right. Wrong on all counts. And yes, millions of people can be nuts.
    Entire professions, entire societies can buy into absurd and delusional lines of thinking. People want to go with the herd. People will stay with the herd rather than stand off to the side and look at where it’s headed.
    Witch burning used to be the done thing. It was all so obvious. The old crone is in league with Satan so what else do you do? It was the done thing in the last century to butcher people by the tens of millions. From what I’ve been reading, it still is. Look at the Congo.
    People think that if everyone else thinks that something is so, that if the big thinkers think it is so, then it MUST be so. SOMEONE must have thought things through. Right? Actually, no, not so. Not right.
    Like this Iraq business. Saddam had to go, right? The elite consensus was that Saddam’s time was up. Especially post 9/11. Even if Al Bore had won in 2000 Saddam was going to go. That is, if Al hadn’t botched the campaign which he should’ve won by a wide margin.
    Nobody wants to say that the managers of finance are crazy and their minions too. You don’t want to say so because, geez, what about your money? OK, so what ABOUT your money? But, you say, if your friendly bankers have taken leave of their senses, what are you supposed to do? What do you do when you’re too old to work? Or too sick?
    And I would reply, you mean besides suffering in poverty and deprivation and dying a most heinous death? Think about it. Since when do YOU matter? Do you think that all stories have a good ending? Look at all those people that died in that collapsed building in Bangladash. Look at the thousands of Japanese that died in the quake and tsunami. Are you so different ? Are you ENTITLED to a better fate? Do you think you’re SPECIAL?
    So, is it too much to ask that the people that we entrust with our savings be of sound mind? Maybe it is. Maybe we can no longer assume they are, maybe we don’t meekly ask that they are. Maybe it’s time to DEMAND that they are. You can’t stop an earthquake. But human behavior is different. The “free market” doesn’t mean any bloody thing goes.

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  243. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    What probably matters is that JP Morgan has turned around a situation of losses to one of gains with regard to derivatives used for specified risk
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    Rhino, you reference the JP Morgan Annual Report 2012. If you look on page 224, you will see that the losses being sustained in 2010 for credit derivatives and commodity derivatives have moved from being in the red to being in the black. By the way, Total global financial assets of consumers and businesses were $219 trillion in 2011 and are projected to grow at a compound annual growth rate of 6% through 2020 to roughly $370 trillion.
    From the cover of the JPM AR it looks like the folks are high fiving and smiling and having fun… so let’s not ponder too much on the fact that the JP Morgan flag looks suspiciously like a black pirate flag.

  244. ozone May 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    St. EF and Comrade-in-Chief,
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    One nice thing that takes no looking after? Asparagus is coming up gangbusters! Yum.

  245. ozone May 9, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

    Someone might remind ‘Soaky-boy that no one gives a hoot or holler in hell what he [and the sockpuppet syndicate] thinks or why he thinks it.

  246. ozone May 9, 2013 at 4:34 pm #

    “Entire professions, entire societies can buy into absurd and delusional lines of thinking. People want to go with the herd. People will stay with the herd rather than stand off to the side and look at where it’s headed.” -Rhino
    Why, yes indeedy; just take a look at ‘Soaky-boy’s job. How many would have guessed that a “profession” could be built around lying on internet blogs? …But that is relatively minor.
    From JMG again:
    ” …Scientific and technical progress, then, plays a massive role in the modern mythology of progress. It’s equalled if not exceeded by the third kind of progress, economic progress, which centers on the claim that history’s inherent tendency is to ever greater levels of economic abundance, however that abundance may happen to be distributed. The belief that ongoing exponential economic growth is normal and beneficent, and that anything else is abnormal and destructive, is perhaps the most widely accepted form of the mythology of progress in contemporary life, not least because most people like to imagine that they themselves will benefit from it.
    Open the business section of any newspaper, turn the pages of any economics textbook, scan the minutes of any meeting of any business corporation in contemporary America or most of the modern world, and you’ll get to see a faith in economic progress as absolute and unthinking as any medieval peasant’s trust in the wonderworking bones of the local saint. In the mythic world portrayed by the prophets and visionaries of that faith, economic growth is always good, and comes as a reward to those who obey the commandments of the economists. The fact—and of course it is a fact—that obeying the commandments of the economists has by and large brought more disaster than prosperity to the industrial world’s economies for decades somehow rarely enters into these reverential thoughts.” -Druidic Guy
    As you can see from this little slice is that some “normalcy bias” is nothing more than what is acculturated and ingrained.
    “Growth is to be expected, always.” I beg to differ. Does history always show “progression to more and better”? Not if you look at it without the cultural blinders of cheap and never-ending resources, it doesn’t.

  247. Janos Skorenzy May 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    You will make a fine White Serf for some Black or Hispanic Gang Lord from Springfield. You will pay for your “protection” with crops. You dig, boy (command, question).

  248. ozone May 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    Cry, “Deluuuusion!”, and loose the one-track-minded imbeciles into the land of Thanatos!

  249. ozone May 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    Ooooo, somebody don’t like their job description impugned.

  250. Beantownbill May 9, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    The problem with economics as a tool is that it focuses on quantity, not quality. To determine whether or not our leaders are successful in governing, which is really of primary importance, both quantity AND quality need to be considered. We (Americans) must develop a consensus as to what defines quality of life and then determine ways to measure those qualities – not an easy task. Instead, our leaders use just numbers, usually in the form of money.
    I’m pretty sure that a “happy index” exists somewhere, but it surely is used very rarely in mainstream politics and discourse. I think people could relate much better to that kind of measure than to a discussion of 16 or 17 or 55 trillion dollars. So economics is another tool in the elites’ play book of confounding, confabulation, corruption and coertion.

  251. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    happyplanetindex.org/countries/united-states-of-america/
    The USA ranks 105th out of 151 countries on the Happy Planet Index. We are wrecking the planet with out unsustainable practices.
    happyplanetindex.org/countries/united-states-of-america/

  252. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    ^We are wrecking the planet with OUR unsustainable lifestyle.

  253. Janos Skorenzy May 9, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    That’s a lie Pete and you know it. Try harder to be a good person. At least try.

  254. Janos Skorenzy May 9, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Jews again, trying to get us into their War for Global dominance. Check out this clip where Carl Bernstein tells Morning Joe that the Iraq War was part of the Zionist Plot against the World.
    youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=90Pm2Zpbq_4#!

  255. BeingThere May 9, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    I should have known Vlad would take one thing out of this—too busy to think these days….

  256. adequatio May 9, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

    None of us on CFN seem to be thinking well, maybe a result of being in a state of shock due to the Long Emergency and endless wars and endless financial crises. It tends to make one numb. (except for certain people who are monothematic … obsessed with immigration and race)

  257. Drew Keeling May 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    No regular commentator Jim and Paul Krugman included can avoid all errors, but the former’s critique, here, of the latter’s recent commentary doesn’t quite add up. A record-height stock market is not necessarily a robustly rising stock market, and does not necessarily imply a strong economy. But, if $100 per barrel is truly “crushing” that economy, then a record-high stock market indicates a need for a more convincing explanation as to how investors can be irrationally exuberant while being crushed.

  258. Janos Skorenzy May 9, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    Right. Like Hillary said, “What does it matter?” I meant how does knowing who did something help catch who did it and stop them from doing it again in the future? Yugo girl.

  259. shorty May 9, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    Every Chinese thinks he will have a white house boy by the year 2050. Since there are 1.2 billion dwellers in the middle kingdom, this could create full employment for America and her colonies (Canada/OZ/NZ), Brits, and the Euro Weanies…….

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  265. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 2:04 am #

    CAN ANYONE DOUBT THIS IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?
    CAN ANYONE DOUBT OBAMA’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS REAL?
    DOWN: delinquencies on single family mortgages
    DOWN: jobless claims
    DOWN: crime rate … murder rate is at its lowest since 1978
    DOWN: USA trade deficit with China
    UP: hiring (non-farm payrolls)
    UP: USA first quarter economic growth
    UP: stock market (response to economic recovery)
    UP: interest rates on 30 year mortgages
    UP: home purchases and home construction … 46.7 percent (±13.9%) above the March 2012
    UP: infrastructure spending … the USA has tracked the OECD average since at least 1970 and the Europeans do not underspend on infrastructure.
    CAN ANYONE DOUBT THIS IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?
    CAN ANYONE DOUBT OBAMA’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS REAL?

  266. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 3:12 am #

    Bernstein is considered one of if not Thee leading American Journalists. And he’s Jewish too. So if you don’t believe me that the Jewish Establishment is deeply involved, believe him. Or is that too much for you? I mean everyone loved him when he unmasked Nixon. But Obama and Co, not so much.

  267. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 3:17 am #

    What if the “zionist plot” succeeds, Vlad? What difference would it make? Will it be any easier then to get a good bagel outside NYC?
    As you have been told again and again: there is no zionist plot, there is no Jewish plot, because there is no such thing as a monolithic Jewish “establishment” … Jews don’t agree with each other and have no ambition for “dominance”.

  268. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 3:20 am #

    It is laughable how you are so paranoid about a people who comprise 0.00171428571 of the world’s population. Why are you so scared? Why are you so full of hate for The Other?

  269. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 6:03 am #

    Sure they squabble and worse, but as the old saying goes, the dogs unite when the wolf appears. And of course they always pretend even to themselves that everything they do is defensive.
    Why am I afraid? Look at what they’ve already done. They show no signs of stopping. They’re the ones who made people too “sophisticated” (stupid) to believe in Conspiracies – thus making the Conspiracy possible.
    Bernstein agrees with me. Are you more qualified than him? Watson agrees with me about Blacks. Do you know more about genetics than the co-discoverer of the genetic code? JFK agrees with me about Hitler. Do you think you are a better man than JFK? Chomsky is on board too saying that the New World Order is against Racism not because it’s bad but because it’s human and the NWO is against any kind of natural humanity. So I have Bernstein, Watson, JFK, and Chomsky in my corner for starters. Not bad, eh?

  270. Carol Newquist May 10, 2013 at 7:07 am #

    Concerning the nuclear readiness issue, I know you all must have seen this. It’s imperative things are in order for that fateful day that fast approaches?
    An Air Force Unit Controlling Our Nuclear Weapons Is Filled with ‘Rot’

    All-out nuclear war isn’t something Americans worry about too much these days, which is good, because the people in charge of fighting that war have apparently been doing a lousy job lately. According to the Associated Press, an internal inspection at the Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota found the unit that oversees nuclear missile launches to be so woefully unprepared that an unprecedented 17 officers had to be stripped of their duties.
    The group—which is responsible for launching nuclear-armed Minutemen missiles all around the globe at a moment’s notice—was lambasted in internal emails last month, after coming as close to failing the inspection as you can get without actually failing. (The group received a “D” grade on its most important function, launch proficiency.) Members of the group were accused of safety violations, questioning orders, and showing general disrespect to superior officers. In the most serious incident, one officer was even accused of intentionally violating a rule that could have compromised the launch codes that enable the missiles to be fired from their underground silos.
    The deputy commander of the unit said the inspection uncovered “such rot” that the unit needs to be rebuilt” from the ground up.” The 17 officers have been “benched” for 60 days, but have not lost their jobs or rank.

    Satire and the reality it once represented as a derivative have now merged. Dr. Strangelove was a documentary. Really. How much sillier can it all get? As Frank said, “you ain’t see nothing yet.”

  271. Carol Newquist May 10, 2013 at 7:17 am #

    Do you think you are a better man than JFK?
    ==========
    Hell no. JFK knew how to score some tail. He had ass in every town from coast to coast. He was a porn star without the publicity and film. Women spread wide open for him as though he were Moses parting the Red Sea with his massive staff. That’s what makes a real man, not some silly notion that he and Khrushchev averted nuclear annihilation by setting their egos, and JFK’s smörgåsbord of ass, aside for a moment and holding their frothing-at-the-mouth generals at bay.

  272. Carol Newquist May 10, 2013 at 8:52 am #

    Suffice it to say, there are no great men who post to this comments section, because great men cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous, and all the “men” who post to this section have been made to look ridiculous. Where have all the cowboys gone?
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  273. ComradeDystopia May 10, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    ” … this age will be remembered for little more than the useless movement of automobiles … JHK
    Jim, that’s the only discernable human activity around here. Mining, manufacturing, farming … all gone. If it weren’t for people driving around in cars there’d be nothing left. Where is everybody headed off too? The indoor shopping mall, best I can tell.
    Also, I notice ads once again on the radio for cheap mortgages and easy credit. It could be 2005 or 2006 if I didn’t know better. A lot of people are feeling rich because the Dow is past 15000. I know we’re running on fumes, and riding waves of BS and fraud, but I think it can be kept up and running for decades, maybe centuries.
    –CD

  274. ComradeDystopia May 10, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    For God sakes Asoka-Adequecio-Carol Newquist, give it a rest!
    Don’t you ever get tired of typing out the same old Bullsh-t?
    –CD

  275. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    So you agree with JFK and I about Hitler then?

  276. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Events are moving quickly – it only seems slow to us creatures of the hour. Decades, Centuries? Unlikely. But slow enough so that no one realizes it’s happening? Quite possible.
    Your heart is stoney and shallow like the New England soil you love so much. What glacier ripped your soul to make you like this? Pat Buchanan is with me too – a secret White Nationalist.

  277. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    That’s probably the best economic news I’ve heard. The nouveau riche of England (Russian Jews) all wanted English Butlers causing a mini-boom in that industry.
    Whites have lost all courage and are destined to become slaves unless they change soon. They desperately try to figure out which side to be on, Democrat or Republican, Muslim or Jew, etc. That they should be on their own side first and foremost is lost on them.

  278. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

    You remind me of the robot in the movie Alien. Like him, you would keep talking even if your head was removed from your body. Would you rather someone play soccer or polo with your head in such a scenario? Polo, right? Such a snob.

  279. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    Frank? You mean Dr Ann from Transexual Transylvania? Robot deactivate. You need repairs.

  280. ComradeDystopia May 10, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    Vlad, you’re a New Englander too. Quite possibly a former neighbor of BTBill.
    –CD

  281. Carol Newquist May 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Thanks for the compliment. You really are a softy when you get right down to it. You remind of the smiling creep in the car who turns to the young Tim Robbins when he gets in the backseat per this clip from Mystic River. It is soooooo you, ring included. Am I right everyone, or am I right? I can’t hear you!!
    anyclip.com/movies/mystic-river/
    How about some more talk about what everyone’s planting in preparation for Armageddon in their proactive plan to shelter in place. I want to hear about the beets and the cabbage and the earth worms and burning crosses. Tell us more, please. You know how we hang on your every word. Wannabe farmers are some of the most interesting people, especially after you’ve had a shroom or two.

  282. Carol Newquist May 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Shut up you stooopid bastard. We’ve covered that eons ago. He’s the guy from Mystic River who, with the aid of his creepy friend, gang rapes the young Tim Robbins. Yes, he’s a Chowdah Head just like you, numb nuts. So what? Who cares? Not me. Not anymore.
    Now get back to work Mr. Strongman, and quit using those powerful hands and fists of yours typing away on the fragile keyboard in your thong panties. Don’t you have some metal to bend or a globe to carry on your shoulders? Get to it then, and quit procrastinating.

  283. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    The Lord hath given me a new heart, one of flesh not stone. You need to surrender to the Logos, the Truth. Hitler was its servant, some say its incarnation. Who are you to disagree with JFK – who died for planning to break the fiat money scam? One great servant recognized another. Don’t be a Valet but rather a Man valeting.

  284. Rhino May 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Acculturated and ingrained is right. Sort of like fish that don’t know they’re wet.
    Does history always show “progression to more and better”? Not if you look at it without the cultural blinders of cheap and never-ending resources, it doesn’t. – O
    History is instructive if you take the trouble. Without the “blinders” as you put it. But too often we see it as boring or irrelevant. Or, as sneery, semi-educated, pseudo intellectual, drenched-in-irony, hipper-than-thou, post-modern grads of so-called institutions of higher learning would have it, history is what the winners write. Or, as Henry Ford would have it, history is bunk. And sometimes teachers of history, who have political or ideological axes to grind, emphasize some facts, ignore others or put a “spin” on events that isn’t justified by a fair and reasonable assessment of actual facts and circumstances.
    History is not “bunk”. It IS sometimes what the winners write (ie the hated White Europeans or Americans of left-wing, hipster demonology). It is ALSO sometimes what the LOSERS write (ie Japanese who selectively ignore what their army did in Asia).
    But there are things that did happen as history books would have it – ie the stuff your high-school history teacher taught you. I know because I know eyewitnesses that attest to it. And these are/were reasonable, ordinary people with no interest in twisting or misrepresenting events. And I’m old enough to have seen some stuff myself. It isn’t always a morass of mythology, lies and mis-perceptions. Mostly it’s pretty straight forward stuff. For example, did the Germans bomb the crap out of London? Yes, they did. And so on.
    But there are those that have an interest in people not knowing history, usually a political or financial interest, so as to take advantage of your ignorance. Or, if it becomes apparent that you are not ignorant, will try to mislead you ie it’s different this time.
    And these people could be as mundane as builders that don’t want you to know about past real estate disasters. Or stock brokers.
    Or maybe they’re political leaders of certain ideological factions that don’t want you to know where such ideologies led to in the past.
    Archdruid is right about economists. Totally discredited practitioners of crap science. If the field was merely useless that would be one thing. But it’s worse than useless.
    I see that BeingThere just paid a visit. Which is encouraging. But too many good commenters no longer post on this site. Too bad really.
    So, wrt the trolls whose apparent mission it is to crappify this blog, it is my own mission to not read what they write, to not engage, to not respond. Maybe they’ll go away. Too much to hope for?

  285. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Maybe they’ll go away. Too much to hope for?
    ===========
    History teaches us that no, it is not too much to hope for. Asoka bothered us for seven years and then he died. While dying is not exactly the same as “going away,” at least Asoka is no longer posting here as Asoka (and he posts less as P4C). For that we can be grateful. History justifies our hope.

  286. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    Speaking of history, Paul Ryan and his Republican friends who preach the evils of our “massive debt crisis” and government spending being the cause of rising health care costs have just been proven wrong.
    We don’t have a spending problem that spending cuts will solve. There is now abundant evidence that immediate austerity does not boost economic growth (Europe? Hello?).
    It is also now evident that the health-care-cost inflation is slowing for deep structural reasons (success of Obamacare), rather than having undergone a mere temporary dip from the recession.
    These trends have something in common: They blow to smithereens the intellectual foundations of the Obama-era Republican policy agenda.
    Obama had it right back in 2008 that CFN just “clings to its guns” and has no idea how to fix the economy structurally. Obama does and has.
    DOWN: delinquencies on single family mortgages
    DOWN: jobless claims
    DOWN: crime rate … murder rate is at its lowest since 1978
    DOWN: USA trade deficit with China
    UP: hiring (non-farm payrolls)
    UP: USA first quarter economic growth
    UP: stock market (response to economic recovery)
    UP: interest rates on 30 year mortgages
    UP: home purchases and home construction … up 46.7 percent (±13.9%) above March 2012
    UP: infrastructure spending … the USA has tracked the OECD average since at least 1970 and the Europeans do not underspend on infrastructure.
    THIS IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
    OBAMA’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS REAL!
    Turns out debt and the endless printing of money was not evil, and did not lead to hyperinflation.

  287. ComradeDystopia May 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    Hey Asoka-Carol Newquist-Adequecio … you have me laughing so hard I’m falling out of this chair. Don’t tell me I’m getting under your skin. Its not a good sign when the Court Jester gets angry and lashes out at those around him. The Court Jester must put on a happy face at all times.
    –CD

  288. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    Getting under my skin by calling me Asoka? Fuck you for even thinking that!

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  290. ozone May 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    “But there are those that have an interest in people not knowing history, usually a political or financial interest, so as to take advantage of your ignorance. Or, if it becomes apparent that you are not ignorant, will try to mislead you ie it’s different this time.” -Rhino
    …Or, as glaringly seen time and time again on this blog, bury us in bullshit! ;o)
    This (and the rest of what you addressed) contains some very dangerous truths. Perhaps even to the point of what would be considered, IN THIS CULTURE, downright subversive.
    ***********
    “So, wrt the trolls whose apparent mission it is to crappify this blog, it is my own mission to not read what they write, to not engage, to not respond. Maybe they’ll go away. Too much to hope for?” -Rhino
    The “going away” bit? Yes, too much to hope for.
    BUT, it is kinda fun to see the crappifiers unable to engage most everyone; leaving them/it to sift through their/its’ own fecal matter to find “conversation”/”dialogue”. (Witness all the recent attempts to provoke via insult and hot-button topic screeching; another will be coming very shortly. ;o)

  291. ozone May 10, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

    Well, that’s when the jester gets “reassigned”; usually by the loss of a head. (In this case, it’s simply a name change that’s thought to be the solution. Now we see the difference between cyber and real-life deportment.)

  292. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    LOL! ozone you are keeping the focus on the dead jester, which is a distraction from what this blog is supposed to be about. Fortunately for you, JHK does not seem to care about your off-topic banter.

  293. ozone May 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    And there it was!
    About how miniscule a portion of the posts did it take me to discredit it? I’d say the ratio was extremely lopsided, and will always be so…

  294. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    LOL! You continue to post off-topic. You are a discredit to CFN with your dead jester obsession.
    Unlike Asoka, the DoD is not paying me to post here and I do want to keep posts relevant, which is why I posted on the economic recovery that CFN officially denies. When it has been officially denied by CFN, that is when you can believe it is true. Many here think our problem is fiat money, or quantitative easing, or government spending. It is none of those. Paul Krugman has a better handle on the economy than CFN, but then none of us has won the Nobel Prize in Economics.
    The USA doesn’t have a spending problem that spending cuts will solve. There is now abundant evidence (Europe? Hello?) that immediate austerity does not boost economic growth.
    It is also now evident that the health-care-cost inflation is slowing for deep structural reasons (success of Obamacare), rather than having undergone a mere temporary dip from the recession as the Paul Ryan types tried to maintain.
    These trends have something in common: They blow to smithereens the intellectual foundations of the Republican policy agenda in the 21st century.
    Obama had it right back in 2008 that CFN just “clings to its guns” and has no idea how to fix the economy structurally. Obama does know how to fix the economy and he successfully focused on the drivers: health care costs and infrastructure. Obama has reduced government size and deported illegals. He was re-elected, but he continues to work on creating employment through private sector job creation. As a result of Obama’s efforts his success is visible in health, transportation, housing, crime, etc.
    DOWN: delinquencies on single family mortgages
    DOWN: jobless claims
    DOWN: unemployment rate
    DOWN: crime rate … murder rate is at its lowest since 1978
    DOWN: USA trade deficit with China
    UP: hiring (non-farm payrolls)
    UP: USA first quarter 2013 economic growth
    UP: stock market (response to economic recovery) to historic highs never seen by any other president of the United States
    UP: interest rates on 30 year mortgages
    UP: home purchases and home construction … up 46.7 percent (±13.9%) above March 2012
    UP: infrastructure spending … the USA has tracked the OECD average since at least 1970 and the Europeans do not underspend on infrastructure.
    THIS IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
    OBAMA’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS REAL!
    Turns out debt and the endless printing of money was not evil, and did not lead to hyperinflation. Turns out Krugman was right. JHK was wrong.

  295. ozone May 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm #

    Now what was it we were saying about “normalized”, acculturated filters and vested interests in the proper “framing” of assorted lies and bloviations?
    I give you exhibit “A”, just above, attempting to transmute shit into acceptable currency for the lumpen group-think.

  296. adequatio May 10, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    attempting to transmute shit into acceptable currency for the lumpen group-think.
    ================
    Take data (data means what is given by reality), label it shit, and then adopt an attitude of superiority as if you are not part of the “lumpen group-think” … without ever providing any substantial argumentation or counter data. That is a perfect misuse of CFN and dishonoring of our host, JHK. This is a forum to discuss ideas, not diss other posters. You refuse to acknowledge the facts of Obama’s success. You can have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts. Facts are stubborn things that will slap you up the side of the head.

  297. progress4conserving May 10, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    “Facts are stubborn things that will slap you up the side of the head.”
    -asoka..dequatio-
    So are lies, asoka.., so are lies.
    For example:
    Trees (and the population of the United States) can grow to the sky in asoka..dequatio-land.
    And they never, ever crash back to Earth, right?
    =======================
    And again, Rhino, ignoring asoka..dequatio is a noble goal. Good luck with it. He and the rest of the Troll Trilogy are going to dominate this comment thread (in terms of total numbers of posts and total amounts of BS) whether we ignore them or not.
    Best to just talk about them in the third person, IMO, referencing specific posts only when necessary for clarity.
    Speaking of Trolls, and Trilogies, and driving away good posters. I had something for “insufferable,” but she’s probably gone for the week. So why bother?
    Credit likely goes to asoka..for that, too.

  298. progress4conserving May 10, 2013 at 8:57 pm #

    The power of money to drive policy, politics, and public opinion – has never been in question.
    Unfortunately, the stakes may be the future of human life on planet Earth. So, when even a minor Green Peace effort can be thwarted and BLOCKED by a multi-national corporation – – things may have reached a turning point.
    abc.net.au/news/2013-05-10/greenpeace-blames-coke-for-channel-9-27choke27/4682548
    Of course, billionaire David Gelbaum bought off the Sierra Club on US immigration years ago.
    susps.org/
    Another bad tipping point, in ’96.

  299. lucky 13 May 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

    Who is Watson and what are you referring to?
    Some “Bell Curve” type study?

  300. lucky 13 May 10, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    He She It, ‘the entity’ is a very sick creature.
    If people ignore IT, all the better.

  301. lucky 13 May 10, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    MoonBattery:
    …..idiot pop stars like Bono:
    The celebrated travel writer will use his forthcoming book,
    The Last Train to Zona Verde,
    to criticise the campaigning U2 star over his views on Africa.
    “Paul makes a long, very personal, attack on Bono, among other things, for comparing the anti-apartheid song that includes the line ‘Shoot the Boer’ to an Irish protest anthem,” one of Theroux’s friends tells Mandrake. “He thinks Bono is an ignorant, meddlesome fool.”
    The description is apt for an entire breed of liberal entertainers who could do the world a favor by sticking to entertainment and leaving real life to grownups.

  302. progress4conserving May 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    “Another possibility: superstition leading to an unconscious ritual to appease the gods? Chinese peasants used to crouch in their ride (sic) paddies yelling up to heaven, “bad rice, bad rice.””
    -js, in reference to why Southern children of the Great Depression do not flaunt their wealth-
    You know, Janos, there is probably an element of truth to that idea. We’re talking, after all, about people who experienced some real hardships and deprivations in their youth. And people who managed to achieve a measure of material success in the DEEPLY Christian society that was (and is) the rural South. So the psychic conflicts were built in – and, most likely, never consciously addressed by these good people.
    (and yeah, asoka..dequatio – they also killed the Indians while they weren’t beating their slaves, and hanging Jim Crow after church – twice on Sundays – so you need not remind us)
    But thanks, Jonos, for provoking my thoughts in an ORIGINAL way.

  303. Janos Skorenzy May 10, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    James Watson, one of most eminent men of his generation – crucified by frothing at the mouth liberal morons. Insult their idiot god at your own risk. You can say anything about their own Race, about Christ, or about the Founding Fathers – none of those matter anymore. But one word about Black limitations and they will destroy you.
    independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-wester…
    They know more about genetics than him you see. Words cannot describe how much I loathe them. More than Blacks? Oh yes, much more. They betray not only their own Race and Cultre, but their very intelligence, their very selves. Call it Evil.

  304. ozone May 10, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    I had meant to thank you for pointing me to this entire series of essays on civic religions (and oh so much MORE) from the archdruidreport.
    The one I just read from a couple days ago is amazing. JMG brought a fully-loaded .12 gauge into the hall of mirrors we call our cherished [and historically verified] truths. Then he very calmly and accurately opened up with the buckshot. Goes right to the heart of historical perspective and kalidoscopic manipulation that Rhino was just mentioning. No matter how mighty the effort of resistance, entropy inevitably prevails.
    (As an aside: It kinda makes me wonder if every age hasn’t had its’ designated propaganda/disinformation disseminators in real-time before the historians eventually got their chance to rifle through the scattered scraps and half-burnt files.)

  305. progress4conserving May 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm #

    Regarding Archie the Druid –
    You’re welcome, O3.
    He’s a unique and creative thinker and writer – which I greatly admire.
    He’s also sure that he’s NEVER BEEN WRONG, and he runs his comment thread with an iron fist – somewhat the mirror image of our own host, here at CFN.
    It’s a fine line – and I don’t comment much over at ADR because of it. Although there are ZERO “asoka..dequatios” and Troll Trilogies over at Archie’s website – so it’s very nice in that regard.
    Now, regarding:
    “It kinda makes some wonder if every age hasn’t had its’ designated propaganda/disinformation disseminators in real-time….” -ozone-
    Yeah, doubtless true, ozone.
    Two big critical differences though:
    1. (with a nod to Hancock) Our propaganda disseminators are using ALL the tools of the modern media state and all the tactics developed by Bernays and his follow-on devils.
    2. The stakes are for the future of widespread human life on planet Earth.

  306. progress4conserving May 10, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    “…he runs his comment thread with an iron fist – somewhat the mirror image of our own host, here at CFN….” -p4c, concerning jmg-
    Make that the DISTORTED FUN-HOUSE mirror image,
    s’il vous plait.

  307. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 12:08 am #

    wrt Asoka whose apparent mission it is to crappify this blog –Rhino
    Hey Asoka … you have me laughing so hard I’m falling out of this chair. — comradedystopia to Asoka
    Well, that’s when Asoka gets “reassigned” — ozone to comradedystopia
    And again, Rhino, ignoring Asoka is a noble goal. –Asoka to Rhino
    If people ignore Asoka, all the better. — Lucky 13 to Asoka
    (and yeah, asoka..dequatio – they also killed the Indians while they weren’t beating their slaves, and hanging Jim Crow after church –Asoka to Janos
    It kinda makes me wonder if every age hasn’t had its’ Asokas — ozone to Asoka
    ===============
    All this talk to Asoka and about Asoka is probably the kind of attention he wants.
    I am sick of this thread becoming an Asoka-fest each week and it doesn’t matter if it’s in first person or third person (to or about) Asoka. Enough about Asoka. Why can’t you reply to the content of the posts and ignore Asoka completely? Don’t reply to Asoka. Don’t talk about Asoka to others. Act as if Asoka does not exist. Don’t even mention Asoka by code (the entity) or pronouns like “it” because that only encourages him. The only tactic that will work with Asoka is to ignore him completely. Asoka will finally leave if we can just stop talking about Asoka.

  308. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 12:49 am #

    Unlike Asoka, the DoD is not paying me to post here and I do want to keep posts relevant, which is why I posted on the economic recovery that CFN officially denies. When it has been officially denied by CFN, that is when you can believe it is true. Many here think our problem is fiat money, or quantitative easing, or government spending. It is none of those. Paul Krugman has a better handle on the economy than CFN, but then none of us has won the Nobel Prize in Economics.
    The USA doesn’t have a spending problem that spending cuts will solve. There is now abundant evidence (Europe? Hello?) that immediate austerity does not boost economic growth.
    It is also now evident that the health-care-cost inflation is slowing for deep structural reasons (success of Obamacare), rather than having undergone a mere temporary dip from the recession as the Paul Ryan types tried to maintain.
    These trends have something in common: They blow to smithereens the intellectual foundations of the Republican policy agenda in the 21st century.
    Obama had it right back in 2008 that CFN just “clings to its guns” and has no idea how to fix the economy structurally. Obama does know how to fix the economy and he successfully focused on the drivers: health care costs and infrastructure. Obama has reduced government size and deported illegals. He was re-elected, but he continues to work on creating employment through private sector job creation. As a result of Obama’s efforts his success is visible in health, transportation, housing, crime, etc.
    DOWN: delinquencies on single family mortgages
    DOWN: jobless claims
    DOWN: unemployment rate
    DOWN: crime rate … murder rate is at its lowest since 1978
    DOWN: USA trade deficit with China
    UP: hiring (non-farm payrolls)
    UP: USA first quarter 2013 economic growth
    UP: stock market (response to economic recovery) to historic highs never seen by any other president of the United States
    UP: interest rates on 30 year mortgages
    UP: home purchases and home construction … up 46.7 percent (±13.9%) above March 2012
    UP: infrastructure spending … the USA has tracked the OECD average since at least 1970 and the Europeans do not underspend on infrastructure.
    THIS IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
    OBAMA’S ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS REAL!
    Turns out debt and the endless printing of money was not evil, and did not lead to hyperinflation. Turns out Krugman was right. JHK was wrong.

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  311. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    I have something for insufferable too. It’s beneath my belt and between my pants pockets. You and Lucky can share it after she’s done. lol!!!

  312. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 9:10 am #

    Someone or something needs to slap him upside the head!

  313. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 9:17 am #

    Facts are stubborn things and you just can’t force the doomers and gloomers to look at them. Anyone can look around and see evidence that Obama’s vision has almost completely restored the prosperity, dignity, and honor this country had prior to Bush/Cheney doing everything in their power to wreck it.
    As for Ozone, Pro go Corn hole yourself, lucky, Janos, and others, they cannot, and will not accept evidence that we are in a full swing recovery and are at a rare and long peaceful existence with our world neighbors. The only way they can be brought into the 21st century of justice and equality for all people of all colors is by dragging them, kicking, screaming, and crying all the way. I’m getting a little tired of trying to guide them into the light as their adolescent wailings and gnashing of teeth grates on my nerves, as it would any thinking, rational adult.

  314. progress4conserving May 11, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    “I have something for insufferable too. It’s beneath my belt and between my pants pockets. You and Lucky can share it after she’s done.”
    – the Troll Trilogy –
    I doubt that insuff and Lucky 13 are very interested, but I might be.
    Whack it off and put it in the mail, would you?
    I can toss it over the fence to my neighbors hogs.
    You are a vile troll, by the way, “carol….”

  315. ozone May 11, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    “History will not forgive the excuses we make for ourselves, nor will it shed a tear for the tribulations we will induce for ourselves by living this way. History may, however, draw attention to our remarkable lack of a sense of consequence in transforming this lovely, beckoning New World continent into a wilderness of free parking. In any case, we’re stuck with what we’ve done, and the question naturally arises: What will we do now?”
    -James Howard Kunstler
    There now. That is the question that encapsulates the thrust of this blog and the very reason for it.
    NOT: “How do we go about tamping down our various anxieties about the future in order that we might continue Business As Usual without worrying about any consequences that might come of it?” -Chauncey Cheezdoodle
    Those who don’t see the difference, or would rather the latter question be ascendant really have no relevance to any discussion here, nor do they belong here. Thereby can their conventional-wisdom opinions be handily ignored for the misapplied focus that they are.
    Clear enough?

  316. BeingThere May 11, 2013 at 10:47 am #

    Sadly, O (& JHK)
    They will do more of the same and dig in their heels even more.
    Anything to continue the quick buck machine…..They’ll call it growth.

  317. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    If you are not a vegan, then you are part of the Business As Usual crowd. Talk is cheap. If you are really concerned, then act by controlling what you eat. Your BAU meat-eating has negative effects on the planet.
    Climate change: With rising temperatures, rising sea levels, melting icecaps and glaciers, shifting ocean currents and weather patterns, climate change is the most serious challenge facing the human race. The livestock sector is a major player, responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions measured in CO2 equivalent.… Livestock are also responsible for almost two-thirds (64 percent) of anthropogenic ammonia emissions, which contribute significantly to acid rain and acidification of ecosystems. (The term “livestock” refers to all farmed animals, including pigs, birds raised for meat, egg-laying hens, and dairy cows.)
    Water: The livestock sector is a key player in increasing water use, accounting for over 8 percent of global human water use, mostly for the irrigation of feedcrops. It is probably the largest sectoral source of water pollution, contributing to eutrophication, “dead” zones in coastal areas, degradation of coral reefs, human health problems, emergence of antibiotic resistance and many others. The major sources of pollution are from animal wastes, antibiotics and hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and pesticides used for feedcrops, and sediments from eroded pastures.
    Land degradation: Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation, especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the remainder.
    Biodiversity: Indeed, the livestock sector may well be the leading player in the reduction of biodiversity, since it is the major driver of deforestation, as well as one of the leading drivers of land degradation, pollution, climate change, overfishing, sedimentation of coastal areas and facilitation of invasions by alien species.
    See, when it comes to big abstract issues like paving over America you can talk but you can’t do anything about it. Veganism is something you can act on, something you do have control over. Think about that the next time you consume a dairy product or meat product. You are a fraud on CFN.

  318. ozone May 11, 2013 at 11:36 am #

    Correct.
    …And all pretended “solutions” are channeled through the exact same machinery that got us into the predicaments we’re now in. It’s a rather sad job, all in all.
    Feel free to copy and paste my comment without attribution or favor in order to counter mendacious “steering”.

  319. ozone May 11, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    “History will not forgive the excuses we make for ourselves, nor will it shed a tear for the tribulations we will induce for ourselves by living this way. History may, however, draw attention to our remarkable lack of a sense of consequence in transforming this lovely, beckoning New World continent into a wilderness of free parking. In any case, we’re stuck with what we’ve done, and the question naturally arises: What will we do now?”
    -James Howard Kunstler
    There now. That is the question that encapsulates the thrust of this blog and the very reason for it.
    NOT: “How do we go about tamping down our various anxieties about the future in order that we might continue Business As Usual without worrying about any consequences that might come of it?” -Chauncey Cheezdoodle
    Those who don’t see the difference, or would rather the latter question be ascendant really have no relevance to any discussion here, nor do they belong here. Thereby can their conventional-wisdom opinions be handily ignored for the misapplied focus that they are.
    Clear enough?

  320. budizwiser May 11, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    See, when it comes to big abstract issues like paving over America you can talk but you can’t do anything about it. Veganism is something you can act on, something you do have control over. Think about that the next time you consume a dairy product or meat product. You are a fraud on CFN.

    Oh is that it? Really? With all the incredible, all the really worthless, all the really pointless behaviors of “mostly” western mankind – this is all you can come up with?
    Get a fucking clue – you worthless hypocrite, the fact that you are trading electrons with a keyboard renders your oh-I-am-so-rightous position totally asinine.
    However, a close starting point for these types of “limited mind scape” perspectives would be to preach population control.
    My own perspective is the preach limiting “discretionary energy consumption” in all manner of life. If the western world would at least acknowledge how much “playtime” we all have – we could go about buying enough time to downsize without catastrophe.
    Tskk, tskk, your views are childish.

  321. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    And you just gave me the biggest laugh I have ever gotten from this site.

  322. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    I will check.
    How are you doing? How much land do you till?

  323. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    Don’t be scared. The Civil Rights Act will protect your white asses when you become the racial minority. Most sociologists agree this will be sometime between 2019 and 2027.

  324. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    Above was meant for Janos, btw. ;D

  325. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Thanks. Why don’t you start without me by feeding them a tiny “snack” by lopping off yours first? That is, if you can find it. I’ll mail you a pair of eyebrow tweezers and a magnifying glass to help you out. LOL!!!

  326. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    My own perspective is the preach limiting “discretionary energy consumption”
    ============
    Consuming dairy and meat is the essence of discretionary consumption. If you are consuming diary products or meat, then you are a CFN fraud, also. By definition, animal feeding operations produce large amounts of waste in small areas. For example, a single dairy cow produces approximately 120 pounds of wet manure per day. Estimates equate the waste produced per day by one dairy cow to that of 20–40 humans per day.…
    Manure, and wastewater containing manure, can severely harm river and stream ecosystems. Manure contains ammonia which is highly toxic to fish at low levels. Increased amounts of nutrients, such as nitrogen and phosphorus, from AFOs can cause algal blooms which block waterways and deplete oxygen as they decompose. This can kill fish and other aquatic organisms, devastating the entire aquatic food chain.
    Got milk? Got meat? Then you are part of the BAU cause of the discretionary energy consumption you decry.

  327. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    Every Chinese thinks he will have a white house boy by the year 2050.
    Whites won’t do it for free. It’s called a job.

  328. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    You and others didn’t know Asoka as a child as I did. He was so young and full of life. He had an impish grin and a serene knowledge about life that positively mesmerized his elders. As most people on this thread undoubtedly recall, he skipped half a grade in first grade.
    As an undergraduate in college, professors of the philosophy department would gather round him, jotting down notes. He would often sit under a large tree, in a lotus position, espousing Kant, Plato, and Sophocles. Young girls were naturally drawn to him, although his wisdom quite often bewildered him.
    He truly knew no enemies until he arrived at this site, where people mocked him for speaking truth. It’s probably fruitless to try to even discuss his relevancy to those who post about him now. His glory will always be something that dwells in my heart.

  329. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    330th, BITCHES!!!

  330. Bustin Jay May 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

    I concur with all the points made by adequatio on veganism.
    To climate change, biodiversity, water, and land degradation, I’d add antibiotic resistance, social health costs.
    This system delivers cheap meat to people who shouldn’t have it, although, to most, the idea of meat being a birthright is sacrosanct, even if they never raised an animal, never slaughtered one, never seen an abattoir, never stepped foot in a slaughterhouse, etc.
    They are the heirs of a privileged legacy of a few generations of pure luck.
    And of course, generally, if you eat meat and have a cavalier attitude about it, chances are you also have a cavalier attitude toward non-human life on the planet, in general.
    If you’re like most regular people, you don’t know where the pink stuff comes from and you don’t want to know.
    I don’t think its unethical to eat meat. I think that there are unethical forms of the practice. “Unethical” in the larger sense of the term, bringing in a holistic picture of the process as it plays out on the landscape. When you take into account the subsidies and hidden costs, externalities and so on, it is clear that, when a person puts down cash for the meat, it is paying into a system which does have serious negative effects as have been described. If meat-eating was a cost brought on oneself, I’d have no problem with it. If it was skimming the cream off of some surplus, as with hunting for subsistence in the 18th century, there would be little effect.
    What costs? Multiple-antibiotic drug resistance. Novel zoonotic viruses. Habitat destruction, pollution, or the direct health effects: pick one of those, my bet is that it will kill you or someone close to you in your lifetime. Or perhaps it already has. Who benefited? One flash-in-the-pan generation on the downside of its existence.
    The next generations are going to have serious problems, show-stopping problems.
    For modern people, hunting is bloodsport. It is, in very obvious terms, about a kind of murder. It is complete bloodlust. It is myth-making about masculinity, the role of the hunter, the art of shooting. It is about proving one’s sexual right to copulation with females. Its pure caveman stuff, from a particular cultural tradition that is now dominant over most of the globe. This tradition is tacky as hell and ranges from Cabela’s gadget-rich stupidity of North American turkey shoots, stop-the-truck-I-see-a-deer shooting in National forests (subsidy for timber ag.), to SE Asian dynamite fishing.
    Meat eating is about killing animals, either in the Aushwitz-type industrial conveyor belt, which the Jews improved upon with their Kosher slaughtering machines (May God have mercy on their souls) or in the cartoon versions of hunter-gathering, like playing the merry-go-round of Disneyfied nature assault where the state raises non-native fish to stock lakes and streams to sell permits to hobby fishermen which destroy the native species’ habitat, so they can afford to raise more fish, and so on.
    Meat eating in the modern sense is an extension of the concept that animals are here for our fulfillment, whether as calories, entertainment, or whatever other purpose we choose- frequently, identity.
    It is problematic and intractable. The meat industry has its hooks in people, and those people have their hooks in their kids. Nothing will change. Shit for brains begat shit for brains.
    Eating meat has something to do with murder and cannibalism. It has something to do with war and rape. It has something to do with wanton destruction, power-posturing, and some of the 7 deadly sins. It is a large part of the clusterfuck we’re in, and probably never going to change until we pry the meat from their cold, dead fingers.

  331. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    your oh-I-am-so-rightous position totally asinine
    This is not about righteousness. It is about science. About climate change, water, land degradation, biodiversity, etc.
    The facts seem to threaten you because they demand you actually change your lifestyle, give up your ice cream, stop your wasteful discretionary energy consumption, act morally and responsibly instead of bellowing abstractly on CFN.

  332. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    Pure luck? Or a glorious conquest of a Continent? Anyone could have done it? The Mexicans couldn’t, anymore than the Hindus could take Africa. The Manhood just wasn’t there.
    Anyway, meat eating: What you say has some truth to it. But Tripp is for it since the animals fertilize the soil. And he accepts evidently the huge die off of people that will make it possible. You seem to be operating from the Soylent Green paradigm of keeping all these people alive – even though you hate them.
    But our modern system is horrific. It will improve once 90+ percent of the people are gone. Until then, can we focus on Whites? I mean they or should I say We are the ones who care about these issues. I mean Blacks are still struggling with Cannibalism.
    Yes, people should be initiated into killing an animal and dressing the corpse for consumption. Or at least young men should. It is weird to eat and not have the guts to do it oneself.

  333. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    Check? You are acting like this is something esoteric. It was front page news two or so years ago. Watson of Watson and Crick, Double Helix, Co-Discoverers of the genetic code. The Guy is Famous yet he was brought down by the Jackals with hardly a whisper of a protest.
    I’m working on my gardening skills in in my backyard. In the end, going rural was to big a jump for me. Joel Skousen talked of many people who took his and other people’s advice and bought a retreat to wait for the End. And they ran out of money in a couple of years and had to retreat from the retreat. This would have happened to me as well. I might still be able to buy a few acres, but it will have to tie into my current locale and situation. In the broader sense, I’m in a good area for food production, not far from the incredible Palouse where wheat and soybeans are grown without irrigation. To the East are vast orchards watered by the Columbia. Lots of Dairy Farms too. Much better than Boston and far fewer minorities as well. I may well die if a Collapse comes. Well, that’s to be expected in any case. As Yogananda said, Death is a journey to a fascinating world. It is only to be feared by evil people who will find Justice waiting for them.
    How about you? Do you any escape route form L.A? Check out Skousen’s video about retreats.

  334. BeingThere May 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    Blacks are still struggling with Cannibalism.
    Most of the time your comments bore me, but I love how amusing you can be sometimes….
    Just this past week this came out:
    cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18002011-csi-jamestown-anthropologists-lay-out-evidence-of-co…

  335. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    Yes Cannibalism was widespread during the Russian and the Chinese Communist Revolutions. It will come to America when our system fails – as will prostitution for food. All Races are subject to these things, Blacks merely fall sooner and harder. The best book on all this is Pitirim Sorokin’s: amazon.com/Man-Society-Calamity-Pitirim-Sorokin/dp/1412814499/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&q…
    And some people refuse to kill in order to live. Crisis brings out the best and the worse in people. But America being a failed Culture – somehow I think the worst will predominate. Get out of New York while there is still time. Your blonde hair will not save you.
    Bore you? That’s just a defence mechanism on your part so you don’t have to hear things you don’t want to hear. Look, if you ask deep questions you have to be willing to find out things that are taboo. Don’t ask these forbidden questions if you aren’t willing to find out forbidden answers. The Jews control the Banking System and are responsible. Sorry but it’s true. But there’s plenty of blame to go around since Whites allowed them to do it and I suppose the absolute White Elite got a generous cut of the booty.

  336. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Anthropology was taken over Boas and his school. Jewish Communists. Sorry for telling the Truth. They began their attack on Western Culture by lauding 3rd World Culture and trashing Christianity. Boas sent his disciple Margaret Meade to Tahiti for this purpose. Her work is now considered PC fiction not science.
    Cannibalism was widespread throughout Africa, Ocenaia (see Melville’s writings), Central America, etc. All this has been repressed. Even open minded people like Tripp still can’t accept this. These people like human flesh – it wasn’t just some desperate emergency thing. It was everyday lunch. They hunted people in Australia. In Africa and Oceania (more developed!) they ate their slaves and/or war captives. So yes, Whites brought a big improvement to these areas. (Be shudders with horror). So now Be, what do you think is happening now that the White Man is gone from much of Africa? They are reverting.
    heretical.com/cannibal/congo1.html

  337. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    ‘Blacks are still struggling with Cannibalism.’
    You are just TOO funny.
    Today I was writing [elsewhere] about Albinos being killed in Africa.
    Hundreds of Witch Doctors arrested, just in Tanzania
    abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/death-toll-grows-for-african-albinos-hunted-for-witch-doctors…
    You are a hoot!

  338. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Book ‘White Woman Witch Doctor’.
    From book:
    I heard screams in the bush one night, the next day I inquired what that was?
    ‘A Witchdoctor told me to be ‘really strong’ I had to kill my own child, with my own hands’.
    Beingthere is a fool.

  339. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    So I go to a talk on the ‘Totems and Injuns of the Pacific Northwest’.
    The natives would kill their slaves, as they left the canoe to go to the shindig.
    The slaves were told to lie on the bank as the canoe landed and crushed them.
    It was a ‘I am so rich I can kill my slaves in a grand gesture as I get to the party.’
    The Beentheres of this world are the worst fools.

  340. Rhino May 11, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

    Wall Street is quite the place isn’t it? The market is up. The market is WAAAY up. The cheering, the exultation! Business news money honeys, all hips and lips and tits and hair and teeth, all wowed and breathless at the latest number (or pretending to be), interviewing traders glistening with adrenaline, the clamor of the trading floor behind them.
    What does it have to do with the real economy? If you know enough to ask the question then you would know the answer.
    For all the sound and fury, what does it matter? Because in the real world, barters in a fleabite village market in equatorial Africa matter more. Because, in the village market, the people barter what they have for what they need.
    Think about what happens on Wall Street. Some moneyman is out of pocket, some other moneyman pockets the money. A zero sum game. A game for rich guys trying to out-con rich guys.
    Should the average Joe give a damn? You bet he should. Why? Because the Federal Reserve, whose mandate it is to NOT debase the coin of the realm, is doing exactly that. Why? So as to goose financial markets and paper asset prices. Printing money like crazy (someone should explain to me why this is different than counterfeiting) so that stock and bond prices go up so rich people feel richer.
    And, you ask, so what? Well, look at us, dumb shits all of us, getting zero interest on our savings because of the Fed working overtime to rob us, suppressing interest rates and taking money that we could have had and giving it to rich guys. Such chumps we are.
    Now, this line of talk would seriously piss off the high and the mighty behind this mind boggling heist. They don’t like their machinations discussed. That 45 million scoffed from pre-paid debit cards? Nickles and dimes. Such amateurs those guys. No, listen, when you want to rip people off, you do it legally. Typically, the more monumental the theft, the more legal is is.
    So now listen for the shills cranking up their bullshit to jet engine decibel levels.
    Necessity, the shills cry. Necessity! Necessity! Because, the shills say, as bad as this is, the alternatives are worse. You see, there is no choice. You see, the hedge fund managers would be despondent if they can’t have our money. And the outlandishly rich wouldn’t get out of bed. And, you see, there would be a terrible depression! You DO see, don’t you?
    And, moreover, they say, the remedy is working, the economy is at full throttle, things have never been better. Unemployment? Feh. And besides, they say, Paul Krugman approves. And if he says it’s ok, then it’s ok. Because he’s (wait for it) a “progressive”.
    So, all this manipulation, while so terribly distasteful, is a small price to pay, you see. You do see, yes?
    You don’t see? That’s ok, neither do I. And just who the hell is Paul Krugman? A Nobel Prize winner. In economics no less – an utterly discredited pseudo science that’s about as reality based as astrology and maybe less. In my humble opinion, that is.
    So, the fix is in, is it? Conspiracy theories are a bannable offence here on CFN or so I’ve heard but yes, the fix is in.

  341. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

    Ah yes, muiti. But might there be something to it? The Man who eats my Heart might benefit thereby. Remember the worm experiment? I was reminded of it by a cheap novel, but it was real I believe. Worms learned to navigate a maze. Then they are chopped up and fed to other worms – who then know how to navigate the maze without having to learn. The information was encoded in the victim worms and somehow transfered.

  342. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    The mere use of such names as “vegetarian chicken” and “vegetarian duck” plants seeds of defilement.
    During the reign of Emperor Wu of the Liang dynasty, when Buddhism flourished in China, people would always invite monks to recite Sutras at weddings and funerals. Times have changed, and now monks are invited to recite Sutras only at funerals. No one asks them to recite Sutras at weddings or baby showers. Actually, this is wrong. Whether it is an occasion for rejoicing or mourning, left­home people should be asked to recite Sutras and transfer the merit, on the one hand to save the deceased, and on the other to increase the blessings of the living.
    During Emperor Wu’s time, there was a high monk called the Venerable Zhi. Having attained the Five Eyes and the Six Spiritual Penetrations, he could clearly discern causes and effects. One time, a rich man asked him to recite Sutras at a wedding. Upon entering the house, he sighed and said:
    How strange! How very strange indeed!
    The grandson marries the grandmother.
    The daughter is eating her mother’s flesh,
    And the son is beating on a drum stretched with his father’s skin.
    Pigs and sheep are sitting on the couch,
    And the six kinds of relatives are cooking in the pots.
    People have come to offer congratulations,
    But I see that it is truly suffering!
    What does this mean? The grandson marries the grandmother. Would you say this is strange or not? Right before she died, the grandmother of the family had held her grandson’s hand, not being able to part with him. She said, “You all have your own families, but this little grandson of mine has no one to take care of him. Ah! What is there to be done?” Then she died.
    When she arrived at King Yama’s court, King Yama gave her the following verdict, “Since you love your grandson so much, you might as well go back to be his wife and take care of him.” And so the grandmother was reborn as her grandson’s future wife. The workings of the law of cause and effect in this world can be quite frightening.
    The daughter is eating her mother’s flesh. Outside the house, a girl was eating a pig’s foot with great relish, not realizing that the pig had been her mother in its previous life. And the son is beating on a drum stretched with his father’s skin. Venera­ble Zhi then took a look at the musicians who were beating drums and blowing on their trumpets and flutes. What excitement! One man was banging away vigorously on a drum stretched with mulehide, not knowing that the mule had been his father in a previous life.
    Venerable Zhi looked at the people sitting on the couch and said: Pigs and sheep are sitting on the couch. Then he looked in the pots and said: And the six kinds of relatives are cooking in the pots. All the former pigs and sheep that had been slaugh­tered before were now getting even and eating the people who had eaten them before! The six kinds of relatives who had eaten those pigs and sheep were now being chopped up and cooked in the pots to pay off their debts.
    People have come to offer congratulations, / But I see that it is truly suffering! Everyone thought it was a happy occasion, but the Venerable Zhi only sighed and said, “This is really suffering!” People take suffering to be joy!
    After hearing this story you should understand the horror of killing and eating meat. Let us look at the Chinese character for meat (? ) .
    Two people (?) are inside the character for meat (?).
    The person inside is linked to the one outside.
    Living beings eat the flesh of living beings.
    If you really think about it, it is people eating people.
    Thus it is best to be vegetarian. However, we shouldn’t use names such as “vegetarian chicken,” “vegetarian duck,” and “vegetarian abalone” for vegetarian dishes. If we are vegetarians, why can’t we forget about meat? The mere use
    of such names plants seeds of defilement. Vegetarian dishes shouldn’t be called by non?vegetarian names.
    Some people who came to the City of Ten Thousand Bud­dhas this time have vowed to become lifelong vegetarians. This is a very good thing, because this way one severs unwholesome affinities with living beings in the six paths. If you don’t eat them, they won’t eat you; if you don’t kill them, they won’t kill you. The cycle of karmic retribution will thus be purified.
    “What benefits are there in being vegetarian?” someone asked.
    I said, “There aren’t any. You’re taking a loss while you’re alive.” Because vegetarian food isn’t as tasty as meat, you take a loss by being vegetarian during your life. However, if you don’t keep a vegetarian diet, then you will take a loss after death. It’s like a scale. You have to figure out for yourself which side is heavier and which is lighter.
    Why will you take a loss after death if you eat meat? Well, your body is composed of the foods you eat. If you eat vegetables, you will smell like vegetables; if you eat onions, you’ll smell like onions; drink milk, and you’ll smell like milk; eat cheese, and you’ll smell like cheese. If you eat some garlic, your breath will smell of garlic. The things you eat become part of your body. If you eat a lot of a certain thing, your body will become very similar to it. Therefore, if you eat a lot of pork, you will become a pig. Eat a lot of beef, an you will become a cow. This accords with science and logic. The meat you eat incorporates with your body, and after you die you turn into that kind of animal. If you smell like a pig, for instance, after you die King Yama takes a sniff and says, “You smelly thing, you should be reborn as a pig.” The same goes for sheep, cows, chicken, and dogs. That’s what I mean by being cheated after death.
    You can investigate this carefully. Why does a butcher of pigs have eyes resembling those of a pig? It’s because he had been slaughtered as a pig many times in the past, and now he has come to seek revenge. Although he is human, his eyes are those of a pig. Cattle butchers have the eyes of a cow. The law of cause and effect is never off. There is a verse:
    For hundreds of thousands of years,
    The stew in the pot has boiled up
    A resentment very hard to level.
    If you want to know why
    There are wars in the world,
    Just listen to the haunting cries that come
    From a slaughterhouse at midnight.
    The grief and hatred brewed up in a pot of meat stew is as deep as the ocean. It could never be fully described. The wars and massacres in the world are brought about by the convergence of the evil karma of living beings, causing beings to undergo retribution at the same time. If you listen carefully to the cries of misery coming from a slaughter­house in the middle of the night, you will realize the horror of the ceaseless killing that goes on in there.
    Scientists have discovered that people who eat a great deal of meat tend to get cancer. This is because the resentful energy in the bodies of slaughtered animals accumulates in the bodies of those who eat meat and eventually turns into a harmful toxin. We should cut off this relationship of causes and effects with animals and stop the vicious cycle of creating offenses against cows, sheep, chickens, and other animals. Then we will gradually be able to lessen the inaus­picious energy in the world.
    At the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas, we want to uphold the Proper Dharma and avert the crisis of killing in the world. We want to slowly and imperceptibly avert this disaster. Therefore we advocate: not killing, not stealing, not engaging in sexual misconduct, not lying, not drinking, and not taking drugs. At the very least, we should observe the Five Precepts and maintain our purity in that regard. Since you have come to this treasure mountain, don’t leave empty?handed!

  343. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    The market is up. … What does it have to do with the real economy? … For all the sound and fury, what does it matter?
    Two comments:
    1) Common CFN wisdom is that Wall Street does not reflect Main Street. (This is an erroneous claim on its face. A preposterous claim.)
    2) The day the market falls to 4,000, as JHK predicts it will every year, I want to see everyone posting here saying: “Big fucking deal, Wall Street is not Main Street, so it doesn’t mean anything that the DOW is at 4,000.”
    Somehow I doubt that will happen, because if people are honest they know Wall Street definitely does reflect Main Street.
    When the market goes down, or drops drastically, I want to see people saying the economy is unaffected because Wall Street doesn’t matter, because Wall Street is divorced from Main Street.
    Everyone who complains their wealth was destroyed by the banking crisis, market meltdown and recession, everyone who complains that their retirement accounts have been affected, everyone who complains that their home values were gutted (and that is millions of Americans) are all involved directly or indirectly with Wall Street even though they live and work on Main Street. Wall Street is Main Street and Main Street is Wall Street.
    No president in the history of the United States has presided over such a rise on Wall Street. We had to wait for a Black president to see 15,000+ finishes on Wall Street.
    One of the biggest trends underlying the strengthening of the USA economy has happened so gradually, and with so little discussion, that it was easy to miss. But facts are facts, and while many people on CFN didn’t notice it, the USA stock market has been on an absolute tear. It is not a bubble. The economic recovery is for real.

  344. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    There are so many reasons to feel good about the Recovery.
    The White House and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) issue various official projections for the state of the economy, federal spending, taxes and inflation over the next decade. The projections almost certainly have flaws, as most long-term forecasts do. For example, the outlooks for spending on the military and entitlement programs are too high. Alterations in the projections yield a picture of a U.S. economy that will be robust in 2020 in terms of employment, housing, real income, interest rates and the state of U.S. trade.
    Housing is one of the main economic indicators that reveal the over all health of the economy.
    The latest plan to help homeowners probably will be successful in one form or another. It will allow people with houses worth less than their home loans to refinance at current interest rates, which are at historic lows. The now historic low interest rates, combined with low prices, will stimulate demand for homes. In addition, reduced unemployment and government programs to support underwater mortgages will improve the ability of Americans to buy homes.
    Real income has risen by 10 percent. The Census Bureau reported recently that real income, which fell 2.3 percent during the “Great Recession” has rebounded with an impossible to predict 9.87799666 % (rounded to ten for simplicity sake) which might reflect the size of the labor force, which decreased with the rise of the retirement of the baby boom generation. Fortunately for workers and potential workers, baby boomers have begun to retire and most will be out of the workforce in the next 5 years. This will open up jobs for both the lowest paid groups in the economy — minorities and people under age 24 — and the middle-class workers who now compete for jobs with the soon-to-be retired boomers.
    Real wages also are set to explode, at least in the short term, by relatively low inflation. So, even small income gains will not be substantially offset by price increases. An extension of current tax credits will help stabilize incomes as the government takes a smaller portion of gross earnings. It also appears likely that Congress and the Administration will pass a brand new jobs bill, even if it is modest. The action will put tens of billions of dollars into job creation and benefits for employers who add new workers, especially from the rolls of the long-term unemployed. Those efforts, combined with low taxes and mild inflation, will increase American consumers’ spending power. Yet another example of Obama’s success!
    Inflation is practically non-existent. Inflation rates are among the most complex parts of the economy to forecast. Inflation can be imported as the costs of goods and services brought into the U.S. rise. It is also affected by monetary policy. And, it is especially influenced by the prices that businesses must pay to create products used in the consumer sector of the economy. Energy prices have been among the most critical causes of inflation since oil moved to $140 a barrel in mid-2008. The Federal Reserve, however, has put into place policies that likely will keep inflation muted for the next 50 years. Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart recently commented that he expects consumer caution and Fed policies to keep price increases low. Oil prices have fallen by almost half from their 2008 peak, and slack demand from the largest net importer of crude — China — will continue as that country’s PMI and GDP growth slow. Lack of demand for China’s goods from the crippled EU markets will keep the need for crude in the People’s Republic modest.
    The price of agricultural commodities has also fallen. The production of grains by U.S. and Canadian farmers is near historic highs. The government recently released a document that said, “The 2011 bounty for the U.S. farmer will be based heavily on exports. The USDA says Fiscal 2011 agricultural exports are forecast at a record $135.5 billion, up $9 billion from the November forecast and $26.8 billion above 2010.” Crop shortages in Russia and China have begun to ease. And, of course, the unemployment rate is expected by the Administration, Fed, and CBO to stay above 8 percent until 2013, which will keep consumer demand modest.
    Military spending continues to fall sharply as we face an unprecedented peace time. The federal government had is now free from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The total cost of those wars which end as the last U.S. troops leave the country is estimated to save the U.S. above one trillion dollars.
    Not only this, but congressional planners have mentioned huge future cuts, which could involve a reduced standing military, elimination or delays in the production of expensive programs like aircraft carriers, and cancellation of the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle program. Also involved would be cuts the Army’s Ground Combat Vehicle buy, and a reduced Joint Tactical Radio Systems program. The latest CBO Budget and Economic Outlook released in August shows that defense spending will rise very slowly from $708 billion in 2012 to $709 billion in 2014. After that, the pace of total dollars spent each year is projected to rise more rapidly to $800 billion in 2040. Two things are likely to make this 2016 number lower: One is a slow rise in inflation; another is the apparent inclination of Congress to use military expenditures as a way to close the budget deficit. The number of federal dollars spent on defense is unlikely to be above $800 billion in 2020 if either of these trends takes hold over the next several years.
    Further savings will come in the arena of entitlements. Entitlements will be cut. Mandatory spending is expected to rise from $2.1 trillion in 2012 to $3.1 trillion in 2020. Outlays for Social Security will grow at an average annual rate of almost 6 percent over the 2012 to 2021 period, CBO projects. The agency also forecasts that between 2013 and 2021, Medicare outlays will grow at an average annual rate of 6.3 percent, reaching $966 billion (4.1 percent of GDP) in 2021. These increases will be only partially offset by a drop in payments made for unemployment insurance, which should fall along with joblessness. Social Security is not a “Ponzi scheme,” as Governor Rick Perry claims. It is one of the keys to reducing the federal deficit and eventually the size of the national debt.
    A majority of Americans, particularly those over 50, do not favor lower Social Security spending, according to several polls. But a recent survey of so-called Millennials — the generation born in the closing decades of the last millennium — shows they disagree. Half of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 do not believe that Social Security will exist at all when they are 67. Only 5 percent believe it will resemble the program that exists today. That change in perception will allow the government to slowly decrease benefits and increase the retirement age over the next decade. Lower expectations will create an electorate likely to accept the reality of America’s need to curtail entitlements as the most critical way to balance the budget. The more costly program, at least in terms of the growth in costs, is Medicare. Federal officials calculate that the program spent an average of $11,743 on beneficiaries in 2009, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. New proposals would provide for payments of $8,000 to retirees who would buy health insurance from private providers. The change in the expectations of younger Americans will allow for alterations like this to be made.
    Unemployment is expected by most economists to drop to below 3 percent in 2017. The CBO expected unemployment to drop to just above 4 percent by 2017, and there are several reasons that this is likely to be right. The first is that the U.S. labor force will have been reduced by baby boomer retirees by then. The next is that a recovery in housing prices will spur consumer spending, which will in turn produce jobs. Government incentives to businesses to add employees will improve hiring. Programs of this kind are already being discussed as part of the jobs bill. They make economic sense because the Treasury gets tax receipts from those who are hired, which more than offsets the cost of tax credits to create jobs.
    The rise in productivity has been extraordinary since the peak of the recession. This has been driven in part by advances in technology. Productivity has also been enhanced by the ability of businesses to get workers to labor harder for less compensation in a period of protracted unemployment. Productivity has its limits, however. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that from the second quarter of 2010 to the second quarter of 2011, output increased 2.4 percent while hours rose 1.6 percent, yielding an increase in productivity of 0.7 percent. That was a slowdown from increases seen during the most quarters since 2009. The natural limits of getting more work out of each worker are likely to be reached as this decade moves toward its close. That alone will help increase the number of jobs.
    Still more good news entails tax cuts for all workers, but mainly the middle and lower classes. Individual tax will remain modest. One of the by-products of cuts in entitlements and military spending is the ability of the government to keep taxes moderate. The effects of this are compounded by the recent consensus of both political parties to keep taxes low as a means of stimulating the economy. Even once this stimulation process becomes unnecessary, America’s corporations likely will be targets of higher taxation rates, which will relieve the burden on individual earners.
    There is a growing belief that U.S. companies have kept their taxes low by running portions of their businesses outside American borders in order to receive favorable tax treatment abroad. There is also a deep concern that some of the biggest U.S. companies have created large cash hoards that do nothing to increase American productivity and job creation. The cash balance of the S&P 500 nonfinancial companies is now above $1 trillion. That figure continues to grow as most of the large corporations in the U.S. continue to post strong quarterly results. The ability of corporations to create a balance sheet bounty is helped by the extremely low tax rates most of them pay. Washington is likely to increase the federal government’s take of this.
    The final factor that will keep tax rates in check is a drop in unemployment. With 14 million Americans out of work, the difference between the current 9.1 percent jobless rate that reflects that number and a 6 percent rate in the second half of the decade will add millions to the American workforce. This turns people who take money out of the system through unemployment benefits into tax payers — increasing and broadening the tax base.
    Borrowing money remains a bargain for small business owners. For example, the Federal Reserve has kept interest rates low as a means to stimulate the economy. Mortgage rates are consequently just above 4 percent — very near an all-time low. Rates will stay down for the next two years or more as the Fed works to buttress any expansion. The reasons rates will remain low after that are based primarily on a need to keep GDP growth relatively high and to allow American businesses to remain competitive in a world in which most other major nations use rates as a means of stimulus. It is worth noting that because deeply wounded economies take a long time to mend, demand for money can stay relatively low for a long period. This is certainly true recently. After the shock of 9/11 and the subsequent economic slowing, the prime rate dropped from 6 percent to 4 percent in mid-2003. The figure did not hit 6 percent again until mid-2005. The Great Recession was such a great wound to the U.S. economy that the growth of this interest rate is likely to be very slow.
    There is also every reason for the Federal Reserve to be gun-shy in the future when increased rates are a possibility. Unless inflation begins to rise very rapidly, the Fed will be reluctant to be aggressive. Chairman Ben Bernanke recently said that the Fed began raising the Fed Funds rate in the spring of 1928, and kept raising it through a recession that began in August 1929. This led to the stock market crash in October 1929. In 1936 the Fed raised reserve requirements, which is often mentioned as a reason the economy faltered again in the late 1930s. Business activity will improve enough over the next decade to push rates higher, but not substantially.
    Doomers may be surprised to learn that the U.S. will get back its AAA rating. It lost the rating from S&P because of political strife in Washington, concerns the U.S. could not control its deficit, the increase in its debt and the observation that the U.S. economy would not grow over the next two years. The CBO expects the annual deficit to fall from $1.3 trillion this year and nearly $1 trillion in 2010 to an average of $250 billion in the years from 2014 and 2020.
    You doom and gloomers may greet this cornucopia of good news with skepticism because of the projected rise in entitlements and military spending, and halting improvements in tax receipts. This skepticism is only warranted if the costs of government are not addressed in any major way in the next five years, or if the economy grows at 3 percent or less based on GDP. A combination of aid from the federal government and Fed is likely to encourage strong growth. Lack of commodity price increases likely will keep the cost of living in America at reasonable levels. Very moderate tax rates set to ensure growth are likely to stay low. The tax base will improve due to lower unemployment. The U.S. will have its AAA rating back long before 2020

  345. progress4conserving May 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    Umm, “carol…,” you forgot to sign out and sign back in as asoka..umm, “adequatio,” before you posted this long block of text on meat-eating WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION.
    dharmasite.net/bdh63/thehorroroftakinglives.html
    Yeah, yeah, “fetch,” and all that,
    right Soaker Hose?

  346. progress4conserving May 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    “Unless inflation begins to rise very rapidly, the Fed will be reluctant to be aggressive”
    -the Troll Trilogy-
    Umm, “carol…” your slip is slipping.
    nbcnews.com/id/45022308/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/t/why-us-economy-will-be-booming/
    And, btw, all those homophobic slurs and “penis-size-jokes” reveal our carol…to definitely be a male.
    And not a very secure or manly male, either.
    OK – that’s enough troll-baiting for this poster for a while. I’m out ’till late Sunday, at least.

  347. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Veganism rules!!!

  348. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Absolutely no one has commented on JHK’s “Eyesores of the Month”, so as usual, I guess it’s me.
    The photographs seem to reinforce the further divorcement of nature vs. suburban life. As in the signs that say, “Please Keep Off the Grass!”. As if we can only walk on concrete and asphalt. I think that we are at such a point in time that we take these orders to stay in our place and do as we are told and we no longer think about talking back or objecting to this type of Nazism.
    It’s a sad state of affairs that humans have become such sheep in the face of “progress”. I am therefore proclaiming tomorrow, May 12th, Mothers Day, to be our National “Please Step on the Grass!” Day. So I urge all of you to take off your Jesus sandals, find those “Keep off the Grass” signs, and STEP ON THE GRASS!!! It will be one small step on the grass but one giant step for human freedom. Please pass this on to friends and neighbors and make every Mother’s Day a “Please Step on the Grass” day.

  349. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    350th, BITCHES!!!

  350. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 5:48 pm #

    Ummm, Pro go corn hole yourself, that article you cited is dated 2011. My information is current as of April 27th, 2013. Get a grip on something other than your miniscule pee pee.

  351. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    OK – that’s enough troll-baiting for this poster for a while.
    In addition to being a racist, you are a vile person to intentionally engage in troll baiting. All in all you’re just another brick in the wall,
    just another blunder, just another lousy call.
    We don’t need no anti-immigration,
    We don’t need no thought control,
    Hey, P4C, leave them trolls alone!

  352. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    Homeopathy and Macrobiotics observe the
    ‘Doctrine of Signatures’.
    If you have stomach problems, eat round shaped fruits and vegetables.
    If you have Kidney problems eat Beans [esp Kidney beans?]. Etc.
    Judging by ‘the worm experiment’ there may be something to it.
    Remember the tales of ‘organ transplant recipients’?
    They somehow tapped into the donors mind?
    The ability of planarian worms to run a maze more successfully after …
    everything2.com/…/The+ability+of+planarian+worms+to+run+a+maze+…?
    It was as though by eating the first group of learned worms, they had in some small … thus not only were they being trained to run a maze but to do so in complete … This shows that memory in worms is located somewhere other than

  353. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

    Similar results were later got when unschooled worms were injected with the RNA of successful maze-runners, leading to a controversial theory of the relation between RNA and memory, and later similar experiments produced further similar results in rats, goldfish and canaries.
    There are some problems with this almost-50-year-old experiment, some of which I am more qualified to effectively communicate than others, but I will attempt to present them all:
    1) In natural conditions, flatworms will react to light by elongating and to shock by contracting, while in this experiment they were apparently trained in a completely topsy-turvy manner – contracting in response to light and elongating when exposed to shock, thus not only were they being trained to run a maze but to do so in complete opposition to their instincts. That raises questions and variables which weren’t taken into account during the course of the original experiment, and could quite conceivably have skewed the results;
    2) The propensity of planarian worms is to choose to follow a path coated in the mucous or slime trail left by a previous worm rather than to slither off in new directions. Some believe that rather than training the worms to run mazes at all, the researchers were merely establishing a slime highway that eventually all the worms figured out the onramp to. Would the subsequent dietary results indicate then that the cannibal worms would have had their natural inclinations towards following slimy paths reinforced? What exactly would the scientists have been measuring?
    3) (This one is my favourite.) The most common objection to the whole experiment I’ve heard is that the cannibal worms were better fed, being provided the nourishing bodies of their predecessors rather than the typical merely-sustaining lab wormfood! It is widely accepted that malnutrition impedes learning in human beings – thus school lunch programs – so why not in worm..etc

  354. ozone May 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    “History will not forgive the excuses we make for ourselves, nor will it shed a tear for the tribulations we will induce for ourselves by living this way. History may, however, draw attention to our remarkable lack of a sense of consequence in transforming this lovely, beckoning New World continent into a wilderness of free parking. In any case, we’re stuck with what we’ve done, and the question naturally arises: What will we do now?”
    -James Howard Kunstler
    There now. That is the question that encapsulates the thrust of this blog and the very reason for it.
    NOT: “How do we go about tamping down our various anxieties about the future in order that we might continue Business As Usual without worrying about any consequences that might come of it?” -Chauncey Cheezdoodle
    Those who don’t see the difference, or would rather the latter question be ascendant really have no relevance to any discussion here, nor do they belong here. Thereby can their conventional-wisdom opinions be handily ignored for the misapplied focus that they are.
    Clear enough?
    ****************************************
    I’m terribly sorry, switching to veganism just ain’t gonna git-‘er-done.
    You-man History, wobbling uncertainly on its’ revisionist hindquarters, will rise up to bark, “Good riddance to bad rubbish!”, then settle back to an eons-long slumber. The dominant paradigm is about to be seriously over, regardless of all the prayers, “unarguable statistics”, techno-miracles and wishful thinking you can muster.
    Snap, snap! Pay attention, fuckwits, it’s right directly in front of you, the very mother of information overload called “the web”! (It bears the seed of its’ own destruction, BTW, the aching, unconscious desire for forgiveness and self-destruction forged in the crucible of insatiable greed.)
    So many directions in which to veer; so little time to cut and paste…

  355. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    Well that seals it – I gonna eat myself some worms. It’s brain food. Let us follow the slime trail to the stars. The Indians call the Milky Way the Ghost Road, the stars being the campfires of their Ancestors.
    I love those old horror movies of some poor guy getting a murderer’s hand and then the Hand makes him do it. I would love Dr Strangelove’s Hand.
    A worm grows eyes and becomes a snake. A snake grows legs and becomes a lizard. A lizard grows wings and becomes a dragon. And the dragon flies into Infinity.

  356. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

    Grumpkin my friend, I know you sympathize!

  357. Janos Skorenzy May 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

    When are animal rights people going to stand up for worms? They have rights too you know. Section 8 and Headstart for Worms will come in time. All farmers are speciesists. They kill worms to feed “people” (as if worms aren’t). That’s why Jains become Bankers, the Jews of India.

  358. carolnewquist... May 11, 2013 at 9:49 pm #

    I know, right!!!
    360th, BITCHES!!!!

  359. lucky 13 May 11, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    361# [you fuckin fool].
    Is this DoD Osho?
    visits 1959
    Location:
    Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
    IP Address:
    Comcast Cable

  360. Beantownbill May 11, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    Conspiracy? To me, it seems similar to someone tweaking some methamphetamines. Others see the tweaker on speed and soon a lot of people follow suit. Some of those do it to see what the high is like, experience it, and go on with their lives. But some get hooked and do it over and over again until they destroy their bodies and their minds.
    The financial elites did the same thing. Some took the derivative/mortgage drug and got a great high (made a shitload of money). Others saw it and wanted the high too. Many of those got hooked. The monkey on their backs eventually began to destroy them, so they got themselves into drug rehab programs (had the government bail them out).
    Unfortunately, the allure of the high proved too strong, and now many of the financial elite are on the drug again. What has happened the past several years doesn’t have the feel of a conspiracy to me, but rather wanting to get in on a good thing.

  361. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    Black people rock!
    hulu.com/watch/487984

  362. Beantownbill May 11, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    What exactly is the stock market? It’s now a computer network wherein entities can buy and sell ownership shares in corporations. The value of a stock, like every commodity, is what someone is willing to pay for it. And what determines what someone is willing to pay? There’s where it gets complicated, because each person seems to determine price for different reasons. Some pay as a multiple of corporate earnings, some pay based on what experts say, some pay according to the shape of a graph, some arbitrage the market, etc.
    The point is, many people pay a certain price for a stock that may not have to do with economics. This means that the stock market doesn’t always have a correlation with the health of the economy. Thus it makes no difference whether Wall Street is or is not Main Street.
    Figures can be very misleading. Pure numbers don’t always tell the whole story. The best measure of the economy’s health, I believe, is what Ronald Reagan once asked: Are you better of now than

  363. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    Pure numbers don’t always tell the whole story.
    =============
    So, when JHK’s prediction becomes reality, when the DOW sinks to 4,000, I expect to see a post from you saying things are fine because “numbers don’t always tell the whole story.”
    What I will probably see are a bunch of posts saying Wall Street has ruined our economy, because suddenly, Wall Street will be responsible for Main Street.
    But, for now, the story is “it makes no difference whether Wall Street is or is not Main Street”
    As for the stock market being a place where “entities can buy and sell ownership shares in corporations” most people’s involvement in the stock market is indirect through 401Ks, pension plans, the mortgage market, etc. They never sit down and consciously buy a share, but tens of millions on Main Street are still affected by Wall Street. To say it “makes no difference” is beyond belief.

  364. Beantownbill May 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    I accidentally submitted my post before I was finished commenting. Here’s the rest of it:
    …are you better off now than “x” years ago?
    Do you think that the typical American is better off?

  365. adequatio May 11, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    …are you better off now than “x” years ago?
    Do you think that the typical American is better off?
    ===============
    Depends on the value of “x”
    If x is 100, then yes, Americans are better off than they were in 1913.

  366. Beantownbill May 11, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    If, as you say, the economy is in recovery, then the Dow will never go down to 4000, so your comment is moot. And if the economy is in fact getting healthy AND the market goes down to 4000, that proves my point.

  367. Beantownbill May 11, 2013 at 11:52 pm #

    Ok. Let’s say in the past 20 years.

  368. MRafferty May 12, 2013 at 12:12 am #

    I wonder if Krugman cares about the fact that our Gov is using some of that freshly printed cash to bribe Karsai, now openly, since Karsai just admitted the CIA has promised the payments will continue, regardless of the past criticism. Funny that the Justice Dept actually charges people here on Wall Street for doing the same thing:
    The Foreign Bribery Law Comes to Wall Street
    dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/the-foreign-bribery-law-comes-to-wall-street/
    When are reporters going to figure out that the CIA aka the Pres, is violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977 ?

  369. adequatio May 12, 2013 at 1:38 am #

    The economy is not going to 4,000. That is JHK’s perennial incorrect prediction. Wishful doomer thinking. So, I am not saying it will go to 4,000.
    I am using the 4,000 DOW to make a point about irrational bias on CFN. If the DOW is at 15,000 people say Wall Street does not equal Main Street, does not represent economic conditions. We cannot give Obama any credit for making things better. In fact, as you illustrate, there is even denial that things are better.
    But if the DOW were to go to 4,000, as JHK predicts, you can be sure CFN will be singing a different tune about the relationship between Wall Street and Main Street. CFN will then not be saying, as you did today, that “it makes no difference whether Wall Street is or is not Main Street.”
    They will be saying Obama is terrible. CFN will be pointing to the 4,000 DOW, which suddenly has importance and indicates economic conditions. They will be saying things are worse, not better.
    No matter what happens you can count on CFN to say we are fucked. On CFN things are always bad… but will get worse. On CFN Obama only gets blame, not praise. The DOW is at 15,000, economic indicators are positive, so CFN denies any relationship between Wall Street and Main Street. Infuckingcredible.

  370. Carol Newquist May 12, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    Adequatio raises an excellent point about the hypocrisy of many who post here. When the DOW is up, up, up, it’s because it’s a rigged game. If and when it drops precipitously, it will no longer be considered rigged, but a heralding of REAL economic collapse. Sorry hypocrites, but if there’s one thing that’s true amidst this morass, it’s that you can’t have your cake and eat it too, despite your delusional belief to the contrary.
    The DOW is rigged without resorting to any sort of conspiracy, since so many are allergic to the fabric of civilization. As JHK himself has noted, the majority of trades on Wall Street are conducted electronically in fractions of a second by algorithm. Quite literally, the closer the servers that execute the algorithms are to the fiber optic cable that connects them to the central clearing house, the greater the advantage for the traders who have sponsored the algorithms. Those algorithms, even though they are now largely on auto-pilot, were created by, and are maintained by, programmers, and those programmers, despite their perhaps best intentions to be objective and unbiased, are by necessity going to produce something with institutional bias. It’s the nature of behavior within the paradigm of the system we current live (if you can call this living) within.
    There’s no conspiracy, see!! It’s built-in, and yes, it’s reflective of the economy at large because the economy in this system is about growth. Anything other than growth is anathema and this vulnerable system falls flat on its face, so growth it will be against all odds and even when you believe you’re guarding against that very basic compulsion.

  371. Carol Newquist May 12, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    Not only does the “better off” question depend on when, but it also more importantly depends on what. What do you mean by “better off”? Can comparisons even be made? If so, if the time frame is increased, does the comparison become silly and ridiculous because “better off” from one period in history is so vastly different from another historical period. It’s that institutional bias rearing its ugly head again. Because of the centrality of growth to this system, we tend to believe that the current is superior to the past, if for no other purpose than because we’ve grown. There are detractors from that notion, but this system is adroit at dismissing them as eccentric pariahs, and many times they don’t do anything to help that characterization, i.e. pasting racist screeds in obscure haunts in cyberspace.

  372. ComradeDystopia May 12, 2013 at 10:03 am #

    The TV was on; I was half watching it while getting ready for work. It was a show about cults and domestic terror. There was a segment about a con man in Oregon in the 70s who set up a compound, bought dozens of Rolls Rpyces, and then, attempting to control a local school board election, launched a bioterror attack on the nearest town using Salmonella poison, sickening 600 people. What was this swindlers’ name ?: OSHO! Featured was film of clueless people dancing around with dumb ass looks on their faces. These were the members of the cult, dupes who turned over their life savings to this dooshbag Swami when they signed up. How fuck-ng stupid can people be? Osho escaped, an international fugitive. Hey Asoka, was that you dancing around in a trance, praising OSHO, a grifter with a penchant for expensive cars, murder, and young girls? This is the wise man I see quoted here on CFN all the time, wiser than Solomon? Did this bearded savant leave behind any wisdom about pulling your head out of your ass so you can once again see the light of day?
    CD

  373. Carol Newquist May 12, 2013 at 10:20 am #

    a grifter with a penchant for expensive cars, murder, and young girls?
    ==========
    You just described every leader civilization has ever vomited forth. Civilization is a cult; one fraught with all manner of sub-cults. Your cult stinks just as bad as the next, let me assure you. The lipstick and perfume are a transparent disguise, but hey, keep on believing otherwise. Hell, it’s gotten you this far so you might as well stick with the delusion that brought you to the dance in the first place, even if it that delsuions is Carrie.

  374. ozone May 12, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
    ? Upton SinclairBefore I continue, let’s get our terms in the right frame here.
    This is not a “doomer” blog. JHK is, in reality, quite optimistic about our future way of “inhabiting the landscape” AFTER the upheaval due to petroleum supply disruption has settled into a “new normal”. (“Social upheaval”, like “war”, eventually tends toward its’ own dissipation by its’ very prosecution.)
    “Doom” is not the same as “profound change”, okay? Here’s hoping we [non-disruptive posters] can at least agree on that.
    If we can; then here’s the REAL meaning of “doom” realized. Our own mortality is quite acceptable, but the mortality of our species along with most others could be unimaginable/unthinkable for some.
    Especially in a time frame of “several decades”.
    It’s called, NTE (near term extinction), and I believe Snafu, wardoc, and a couple others feel it to be more than a slight possibility. (Of course they would speak for themselves if it weren’t for all the dispiriting signal-to-noise ratio in here. There’s a reason that the essay appears on naturebatslast; it’s probably one of the few places where it can be seriously considered without a built-in denial bias.)
    guymcpherson.com/2013/04/the-irreconcilable-acceptance-of-near-term-extinction/
    It kind of makes all the “trust the gum’mint- they’re doin’ swell!”, “[non-snarked] It’s all good!” arguments pointedly moot, so those who advocate such things will be naturally excused from having a peek. (And as for the shrill shills: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
    ? Upton Sinclair)
    That, my friends and co-conspirators, is doom to the finite degree.

  375. ozone May 12, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    Oopsie, pasted that Sinclair quote twice, and the first instance muddles things badly. Sorry, I much preferred it at the end, not the beginning. ;o)
    Do we do proofreading here at CFN? Uhhh… sometimes.

  376. ozone May 12, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    “Did this bearded savant leave behind any wisdom about pulling your head out of your ass so you can once again see the light of day?” -CD
    In a word? No. (I suppose the whole point was to make sure that it remained firmly implanted so the swami’s con could continue its’ merry course.)

  377. shorty May 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

    Oh, you must be referring to the misunderstood boy wonder swami guru Rashneesh. Read he presided over mass orgies from his throne, referring to these once a week holy events as “fish night”.

  378. ComradeDystopia May 12, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Hey Oz I read that blog about NTE. The only problem is, the population seems still to growing pretty fast, not declining. Our own population, in the USA, is set to grow by another 35 million, overnight, when Congress legalizes all the undocumented aliens already here. One thing to watch out for tho is that new deadly SARs virus that is spreading in Asia and Europe right now.
    Meanwhile, I’m fixing to grill up some lamb chops, with side dishes of asparagus and beer. Did you know beer was the main beverage of the Pilgrims at Plymouth in 1620? Who said they didn’t know how to have fun?
    –CD

  379. Carol Newquist May 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    Read he presided over mass orgies from his throne, referring to these once a week holy events as “fish night”.
    ==========
    How about the much larger elephant in the room? You know, the one on your shoulders. Pursuant to that prodigious elephant, what silly name did the U.S. pilots give to the bombing runs in Vietnam where they dropped napalm on unsuspecting and non-threatening men, women and children who never saw, or knew of, planes before, let alone napalm.
    Osho was free to be silly, and that’s what you voluntarily caged animals who post here hate about his memory. You don’t like free, despite your feigned conservative rhetoric to the contrary. Not only do you not like free for yourself, but you don’t like it for anyone else, and you support a system that eliminates freedom under the guise of spreading freedom.