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     Well, at least the poobahs cleared a path to the annual orgy of Christmas, which, along with the S & P 500, have become proxies for the American economy. Lately, the Christmas season starts directly after Halloween, so, the whole fourth quarter of the year becomes a circus of ceremonial distractions. In the background, though, the nation grinds toward anguish, measured in soiled Justin Bieber dolls deposited in the landfills.

     Historians who look back on these strange years of suspended consequence will marvel at how this empire of grift kept its wheels turning after its engine died. Being on the downhill slope is often enough to keep anything going. One might think the young people of this land would be seething at the eclipse of their futures, but it seems they have been successfully lobotomized with cell phones — when the endorphin hits lag between text messages, they can watch sitcoms, or porn.

    You can be sure there will be a snapback from all this drift and anomie, and when it comes, the snap will be savage. Like the US economy, the Republican Party is dead but hasn’t gotten the news. It killed itself just as the Whigs did in the years before the Civil War, by splitting up into factions — one faction of “know-nothings” preoccupied with scape-goats opposed to a faction of sclerotic parasitical fat-cats too timid and greedy to engage in the emergencies of the day.

     The Tea Party faction should change its name to the Cracker Party because it represents the interests of white southerners who are too dumb to know what these emergencies amount to. They are really more comfortable with the supernatural, hence their fondness for religions based on snake-handling, visitations of the dead, and motor sports. Personally, I believe they will eventually contrive to form their own break-away Cracker Republic and attempt to re-enact the Civil War. They will fail, and starve, and find themselves back in an even worse long-term depression than Dixieland experienced from 1860 to 1960, in a de-suburbanized wasteland of bare subsistence farming. Their highest art will be soup-making.

     The non-Tea Party Republicans will just shrivel and vanish out of sheer irrelevance. This leaves the Democrats to become the focus of intense ire as they attempt to ‘splain why the nation’s affairs went to shit on their watch. A lot of them will end up being executed and plundered by the new kid on the block, the Savior Party, led by some charismatic character willing to ignore procedural protocols to clear away the debris left by his-or-her predecessors. Alas, the juice will not be there to permit the Savior to really control a territory as large as the continental USA. By juice, I mean money and oil. Thus, the nation enters its new dark age.

    Who knows when that will get underway in earnest, though I think the folks who say 2014 are onto something. If you believe in cycles, which I tend to, then it rhymes nicely with 1814 and 1914, two watersheds when one epoch ended and another truly began. 2014 would logically be the year that China tells America to go piss up a rope. The message would be sent on the back of the envelope containing $2.7 trillion in official American debt paper. As Ole Blue Eyes used to say, this could be the start of something big.

      Sentient observers of the current scene are clearly frustrated by the remarkable homeostasis that seems to rule the scene, these horse-latitudes of history where the air is still and nothing moves and the mind is exhausted by watchful waiting. Things will get lively, soon enough, so enjoy the holiday quarter of the year which is so soon upon us. Gorge on candy corn. When you recover from that, roast a turkey. Then make a nice figgy pudding. Then pop some bubbly and salute your loved ones. Then gird your loins for the new age of consequence.

 

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. Neon Vincent October 21, 2013 at 10:47 am #

    You really are turning phrases today, beginning with “the whole fourth quarter of the year becomes a circus of ceremonial distractions” and ending at “the remarkable homeostasis that seems to rule the scene, these horse-latitudes of history where the air is still and nothing moves and the mind is exhausted by watchful waiting.” I wouldn’t be surprised if “a circus of ceremonial distractions” becomes the most popular title among the pingbacks of this entry at the bottom of the page this week.

    Speaking of which, you pointed out that Christmas shopping season begins right after Halloween. It actually begins earlier than that now. Last year, Target was airing its Christmas shopping commercials two weeks before Halloween. Three years ago, I noticed that Home Goods had Halloween and Thanksgiving merchandise out before Labor Day. When I mentioned that to the cashier, she said some stores already had their Christmas goods out. Inhale, and smell the stink of retail desperation!

    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2012/11/keep-calm-and-carry-on-despite-stink-of.html

    • Greg Knepp October 21, 2013 at 11:02 am #

      Good eye, Neon, but the one that struck me was “age of consequence”.

      • travelwell October 21, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

        Same here Greg. The “Age of Consequence” should get a running start with the clueless US Congress entering 2014 with a kicked can full of excessive debt and wasteful spending waiting for them like an IED. BOOM! There will be consequences.

    • erth2karin October 21, 2013 at 11:49 am #

      Here’s my nomination for JHK Elegant Prosecrafting of the Week:

      “Gorge on candy corn. When you recover from that, roast a turkey. Then make a nice figgy pudding. Then pop some bubbly and salute your loved ones. Then gird your loins for the new age of consequence.”

      • sevenmmm October 22, 2013 at 5:16 am #

        Kind of like succession planting!

      • sevenmmm October 22, 2013 at 5:28 am #

        China takes a back seat to what is owed to Social Security, which I highly doubt is owed to anyone, anyway. Soon, THE FED is going to own more US Debt than even Social Security!

        Where did THE FED get all that money from? And what happens when the SS recipients get real value of the debt notes numbered to their bank accounts?

        I give it to 2016 before the starvation moment sinks in.

    • ozone October 21, 2013 at 11:50 am #

      Sorry, NV!
      I posted-ed before reading comments; you covered the retail sector’s panicked scramble to create a “commotion of money” already.

    • K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

      ” Inhale, and smell the stink of retail desperation!”

      That’s good !

      And Jesus Christ! Last Friday I was through three different hardware stores and all had huge displays of Christmas lights and trees ready to go. I walked in the first and standing next to a man who was taking it all in I said; ‘You’ve got to be kidding’.

      I got a good belly chuckle from him but noted from his demeanour that he really didn’t see it as odd.

      Not as disgusting as Christmas 1942 in Berlin but we’re getting there.

    • jimofolym October 21, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

      I was at our local Lowe’s last week and what did my wondering eyes saw, but a 5’5″ dancing Santa singing Have a Merry Scary Christmas, I think it was ole Burl Ives reincarnated! Along with a virtual forest of fake evergreens. I shuddered! Almost forgot what I’d come for.

    • outsider October 21, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

      Where do people go who want no part of this Christmas madness? We are hostages to the conspicuous consumption ethos that surrounds all things Christmas. It would be fine with me if it went back to being a purely religious holiday, encompassing the two week period around the winter solstice. Now, it is a sick-making ritual that comes around every year like a plague and lasts for three endless months. And, Lord, these Christians have the nerve to say that there is a War on Christmas.

  2. Htruth October 21, 2013 at 10:57 am #

    2.7 trillion is about the amount of money in Al Gore’s social security lock box. Drunkenmiller and all the rest are trying to start a generational civil war by denying the fact that 2.7 trillion has been stolen by the political class. Get ready for the hammer to drop: http://youtu.be/xlehIhVIBWw

  3. SteveO October 21, 2013 at 10:57 am #

    “Their highest art will be soup-making.”

    And moon-shining Jim, don’t forget that one. There’s nothing like a good slug of 150 proof corn whiskey to help you forget how bad your lifestyle has become now that you can’t put gas in the F350 and the cheese doodles are long gone.

    • AKlein October 21, 2013 at 11:48 am #

      Correction SteveO! That would be an F350 dualie if you please! Burns more juice, don’tcha know? And it’s big. Real big. Sure to impress all the ladies and all the wanna be truckers.

    • caseyf5 October 21, 2013 at 11:54 am #

      Hello SteveO,

      If you can make “shine” then some one will convert the gas powered mobile to “shine” to run on
      !

  4. George October 21, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    “It’s beginning to look like Christmas and has since Labor Day…”

    I was astounded to find out that it’s commonly held as fact, even amongst even higher-ranking government officials, that so-called unconventional petroleum reserves locked in oil shale are sufficiently vast enough to transform the United States into a net oil-exporting nation within a decade. I had a chance to meet several big deal government types at a conference last week including two assigned to the Eisenhower EOB.

    When discussion drifted to the oil shale extraction activities all present expressed confidence that the US was well on its way to energy independence. I have to wonder what’s going on: either they know the limitations of these operations and were lying or they don’t have the slightest clue. And this from the mouths of those in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government!

    http://www.thesisa.org

    • caseyf5 October 21, 2013 at 11:56 am #

      Hello George,

      I vote that both both lying and don’t have a clue is what is reverberating in their teeny tiny little brains!

    • travelwell October 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

      Hi George,
      It’s the big lie and one the government wants you to believe. Big lies repeated often enough pass for truth. Even some highly regarded economists are on the US oil export and oil independence bandwagon.

      A short term boost in oil production due to fracking is factored in as being permanent. Problem is fracking is very expensive to carry out, causes many environmental issues, and rapid depletion of wells means you have to drill like crazy to maintain production levels. Transportation of oil taken from scattered low production wells is also a major problem. For example a recent oil transport train wreck in Canada resulted in burning down a small town.

      Fracking is not sustainable and in a few years production will fall off a cliff. Government officials must know this but to buy a little time offer hopium to a dumbed down public and on the payroll economists.

  5. Warren October 21, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    Jim:

    The GOP probably will die as will the Democrats, because they both have abandoned the principles that is epitomized by the TEA party, which is not really a party, but an amalgamation of groups of ordinary Americans, the call them just a bunch of Crackers is an overly simplistic insult.

    The TEA party is in favor of a government that lives within in its means, that is opposed to the Government taking over the 19% of the US economy represented by health care, and is in favor of Governing the Country by The US Constitution, not by administrative ruling and Executive order.

    • SteveO October 21, 2013 at 11:19 am #

      When the Tea Party took over the legislature in my state, they actually grew government by creating laws that limited women’s reproductive rights and suppressed voters right and required new government employees to enforce. They did not eliminate a single government agency even though they had super majorities on both the house and Senate. They did not end the most intrusive government policy by far, the war on drugs.

      So far as I can tell, the Tea Party grass roots have been used like a blow up doll by the loony right of the Republican party, and they have no clue what has been done to them.

      • ozone October 21, 2013 at 11:54 am #

        Huh; how ’bout that.
        Who woulda thunk it or seen it comin’?

      • mike October 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

        Which state, Steve?

    • rka October 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

      Warren:
      The fact is that the TEA party’s concern over “19% of the US economy represented by health care” is laudable but misplaced since it perpetuates the corporate health insurance ripoff that masquerades as health care. That other countries can contain cost to about half of what is spent in this country and provide better outcomes ( the US stands at 37th in overall health care outcomes) cannot be ignored. This stunning victory of hubris is only possible with the shared ignorance illustrated so well by the TEA party members willingness to be lead by a small group of billionaires whose goals are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

      • Warren October 21, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

        In fact the health care “insurance” industry overhead is responsible for a large part of the Health care costs.
        In many cases two people one who self pay and one who uses insurance will for same medical issue will pay wildly different amounts, in some cases the person who self pays, pays about what the “insured” person does in their deductible, and in some cases less.

        I read recently about a person who had a high deductible insurance whose out of pocket costs were about 20K, but when he found he could self pay the cost was less than 5K.

        The ACA requires every one be “insured” but if you are insured in many cases you can not self pay.

  6. K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    Lobotimization via text message is not confined to the younger generation. A don’t worry be happy mime is ubiquiteous across all generations and across all the land. The snapback is going to hit everybody and it will not be undeserved. The American public did not have to give its power away. But it did.

    Note:

    ‘Cookies’ are apparently being used to prevent free thinking dogs from leaving comments on websites. I can leave comments at TheGuardian for instance using a browser which I won’t identify but if I try using Firefox I can’t. Comments won’t load, only the article does. Same goes here. Firefox won’t let me see the most recent of Jim’s posts until several hours have gone by after he posts it and the only characters posting are agent provocateurs who live here to prevent a free exchange of ideas. As a resourceful dog I find ways to get around the roadblocks but it is a pain in the ass. As Glen Close said in the movie Fatal Attraction: “I will not be ignored!”.
    She was crazy, I’m not. K-Dog

    This may be my last comment this week. Something is being done to slow me down. It took at least ten minutes to post this. Every other website is still popping up at top speed.

    • K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 11:19 am #

      and the only characters posting then are agent provocateurs

    • ozone October 21, 2013 at 11:59 am #

      Usually begins between 12:00 and 1:00 pm on the day of the new essay.

      • K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

        Why the delay? I’ll take a guess. Is it to stay under the radar?

        • ozone October 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

          Innnnndubitably!
          It’s after the watchers have stopped watching.

        • ozone October 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

          Check those time stamps (approximating from the one on this post.)

      • goat1001 October 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

        Yes, this site is slow today, wouldn’t even load an hour ago. Seems Healthcare.gov is having similar problems, though probably not connected…

  7. I’ve definitely soured on Christmas. A few years back an economist slammed Christmas in the Op-ed pages of the local rag. He a point. Christmas gift giving is largely a spectacle of burning through cash and credit, to purchase junk which is generally un-needed and worse, unwanted.

    In my college town it is astounding to think that most of these stupid jakes are going to take to fly back across the country to eat turkey and snooze in their old bedrooms, come back, spend three weeks in class, and then repeat the damn thing. Its an orgy of waste and stupidity. In the past, a child was expected to set out and establish themselves in a family, a new family, new family traditions, etc. Now its like being trapped in Amber. We are all summoned to an event which is pulled out of mothballs from the attic.

    These holidays and national events, evenly spaced, comprise the grist for the media and commercial apparati to never have to fulfill their social functions a la the Fifth Estate. Every business craves the kind of predictability of Labor day – Halloween – Thanksgiving – Christmas – The Superbowl – Easter – Memorial day – Fourth of July.

    Wash, rinse repeat. We should remember the govt. shutdown, for instance, but, the newspapers will be flooded with the next planned installment of corporate holiday and it will be forgotten, which is what is designed for. The echoes of agrarian cultural traditions that represented the turning of the great wheel, the seasons, embedded in a natural cycle.

    • Michael Tew October 21, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

      Well said.

      Advertising is the largest single element of the whole mental clusterfuck that is commercial civilization. And each of the festivals you listed have become an orgy of buy happiness messaging, leaving the befuddled targets mired in misery, and spinning ever deeper into debt slavery.

      • Karah October 21, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

        Aye!

      • K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

        You are a refreshing voice in the wilderness.

        Advertising has an impact on the brain and behaviour far greater than most people realize. Modern advertising creates need where there is none. Once people are needy and feel bad about themselves for not having something they will buy buy buy.

        Advertising is not intended to sell products. Once an emotional hole is created products sell themselves. People once programmed are then under the delusion they are making free choices. But you know this already and are probably familiar with the evil Edward Bernays and the strong connection between propaganda and advertising.

  8. russ October 21, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    On budgets and old songs – I believe the reference to “this could be the start of something big” is more Steve Allen territory, as opposed to ‘Old Blue Eyes’ – Per a wiki entry concerning this song, Allen wrote it in 1954 as part of a musical score for another program, and in 1956 adopted as the theme song for his own TV show. Recordings over the years have been attributed to Count Basie, Ella Fitzgerald, Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme, Tony Bennett, Bobby Darin, and others.

    And on budgets – It is odd that we focus so much on the federal budget, and wag fingers on the need for the federal government to live within its means, like all the rest of us do.

    This is nonsensical political grandstanding which ignores the world of private debt/money where private debt is now measured in the quadrillions. And the ability to pay back this private debt is predicated on endless growth – which is ending, so lotsa luck there.

    The real limit that is imposed on us which we must heed is that imposed by Nature and the environment. Most of our enterprise is based on exploiting some niche in Nature where there is a temporary surplus built up over eons of time, using this, and then never think twice about paying it back.

    Carbon content of soil comes to mind readily.

    Soon, the Chinese and Japanese will say “ahem”, and bring the matter of 1 or 2 trillion in pixel and paper debt to our attention.

    Very soon thereafter, Nature will also appear, seeking debt servicing. The trouble is, Nature will not be looking for either paper or pixels as suitable settlement.

  9. AKlein October 21, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    I guess JHK didn’t see the Breitbart artivle the other day. It said that now the US is the world’s prime oil exporter, surpassing Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, Breitbart asserts that this is the result of the shale oil bonanza in the US and that in consquence to this our oil supplies will be abundant for many decades. In other words, oil will not be a problem for the foreseeable future. Now I have also read recent articles about oil by people who ought to know which report that the shale and the fracking going on in the US will provide at best very short term relief from shortages. Clearly there is some kind of dosconnect between the Breitbart article and artivles from oil industry mavens. if I may posit a question to you, JHK, what the hell is going on here? Is it just as simple as you have written/said, which is that we are being inundated with outright lies? I mean, these are not just mere distortions, they are lies (that oil is not on track to become a scarcer and scarcer commodity, including and maybe especially here in the US.)

    • caseyf5 October 21, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

      Hello AKlein,

      If it is written in Breitbart is must be true! No it is most likely a piece of fiction that even fiction writers wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole!

      • K-Dog October 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

        My early Halloween goblins seem to be gone like cockroaches running from the light; but like cockroaches I know they’ll be back.

        Oil supplies abundant for decades? Then very very warm temperatures will be abundant for centuries. Some species will go extinct from those temperatures. Will Nascar make humans go extinct too. Oh what me worry.

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

        Joseph Goebbels

    • Karah October 21, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

      This falls in the category of “wishful thinking” – if you believe hard enough it will happen. “Fairy tales can come true, it could happen to you if you’re young at heart (believe in them).”

      1914 was quite a surprise for a lot of people, though not all. The world ‘s framework in the 19th century was rather bucolic compared to now. War became an industry and mankind became obsessed with finding new and better ways to control or kill people. Everyone was rather content with their stations in life until a radical Serbian came along and changed all that forever. I’m not blaming him for everything, he simply represents a spirit that grew in popularity. He’s the father of all the M.E. kids wrapped in scarves and throwing stones at the police state – rebellion. The world’s government’s primary work has become controlling rebellion and establishing “peace” or “contentment”. On the whole, it doesn’t take much to make this happen for people considering how many fewer holidays we have than every place else in the world. America has a lot more space to play with than most countries so the Caucasian “crackers” don’t really have to do anything with the African “niggers”…even if one becomes president. The question is, will people learn to become content with less oil in the system? Will a nation’s military might that is primarily fueled by petroleum and the commercial sectors selling of petroleum based products (everything) as the solution to our problems transition to something else more effective? What will that be? What will it look like?

  10. ozone October 21, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    Jim of the K.,
    You write:
    “Well, at least the poobahs cleared a path to the annual orgy of Christmas, which, along with the S & P 500, have become proxies for the American economy. Lately, the Christmas season starts directly after Halloween, so, the whole fourth quarter of the year becomes a circus of ceremonial distractions. In the background, though, the nation grinds toward anguish, measured in soiled Justin Bieber dolls deposited in the landfills.”

    That’s a timely and quease-inducing opening. ;)
    I’ve seen a [local] confluence that’s even weirder and more unsettling than that. It’s the phenomenon of Thankchristoween whose observance can be seen in the emporiums of the real supply-and-demand economy, such as WalMart (at the altar of Walton we kneel and pray) and CVS (if we stock it, you need it). They’ve mashed the entire pantheon of holidays together to try to excite an appearance of a lasting “boom” and “shareholder value”, not to mention a seasonal temp worker influx in the retail sector to prop up those phony employment numbers. This should actually cause those heavily invested in retail stocks to beshit themselves and “sell, sell, sell!”, but strangely enough the market serenely sails upwards, blithely scudding over the clouds.

    I don’t think the cosseting of cherished delusions of unending exponetial growth will cease until the Wal Mart semis stop rolling, rolling, rolling [rawhide]. (Are they rolling on fracked nat’chul gas yet? No? Why not?)

  11. Q. Shtik October 21, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    ” I wouldn’t be surprised if “a circus of ceremonial distractions” becomes the most popular title among the pingbacks of this entry at the bottom of the page this week.” – Neon V.
    ==================

    Thanks for mentioning “pingbacks.” A few days ago Prog taught me what a hashtag was and how to use it. Now maybe you can explain “pingbacks” for me. I haven’t the faintest idea.

    • ozone October 21, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

      Q.,
      As an arena in which you have more experience and expertise than probably most posters here, how much of the “Dow Jones Average” is predicated on the the doings of Retail? Would it be an “appreciable” percentage, or nominal?
      Thanks in advance, I wouldn’t even know how to phrase that so as to be google-able. :D

      • shabbaranks October 21, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

        ozone,

        Quite alot of the Dow 30 Industrials average is predicated on retail, probably 40% or more of the market cap.of the index.

        The three big retailers in the Dow 30 Industrials are the near ubiquitous Wal-Mart, Home Depot and McDonalds. All three derive their revenues essentially from direct retail customer interaction in their own stores. However, many other Dow 30 components sell their products thru direct retail channels. Those would be Johnson & Johnson, Coke, 3M, Nike and Proctor and Gamble.

        You can count on Wal-Mart to sink this Christhanksween season. There are six fewer days between Thanksgiving and Christmas in 2013 than in 2012. Plus it’s one more year into the peak oil conundrum so prole America is that much deeper invested in its own doom.

        • ozone October 21, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

          Thanks for the input on my question. Also quite helpful and appreciated.

  12. Q. Shtik October 21, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    “Now its like being trapped in Amber. We are all summoned to an event which is pulled out of mothballs from the attic.” – Lil Debbie Snack
    ============

    A great couple of sentences and so true.

    Five years ago when the financial crisis hit I tried to put a small dent in the absurd traditions surrounding Christmas. I crafted a humorous email explaining that undercover of the crisis I was going to send only electronic greetings and thereby save a couple of bucks a head, not to mention all the time addressing envelopes, applying postage and whatnot.

    My wife and kids didn’t see the humor and said it was just one more way in which I showed my genetic cheapness (I’m Scottish on my mother’s side). I chose to call it sensible frugality but they weren’t buying it. Ridiculously expensive hardcopy cards still go out to friends and relatives at every season of the year dictated by the corporate entity behind Hallmark Cards.

  13. Ed October 21, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler, Sir:

    I worship the ground you write on, but, the Tea Party is one of the few groups which is able to mount any kind of opposition to the dominant powers. This opposition is not always stupid. My congressman is Tom Marino (PA), who is identified with the Tea Party and recently voted against US involvement in Syria (before that position was fashionable). His reasoning for his position was good, and I applaud him. I may end up voting for him, although I have been a registered Democrat for the last 20 years. I just re-registered as an independent, and will likely never vote for another Democrat again, though Republicans in general are not likely to get my votes either. But, at least there is some ferment among Republicans about the direction of the country; Democrats appear to be utterly comatose.

    • mdhaller October 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

      Ed

      I agree that Mr. Kunstler is a brilliant writer. However, brilliance cannot substitute for a grounding in reality. I have been reading this blog for years and I believe he is slowly but surely discovering the truth…like the five blind men describing an elephant, he cannot accurately describe (or believe) what his senses are telling him. There IS a vast conspiracy by the central bankers of the world and they DO control the governments of the world. I agree with the Tea Party’s and Occupy Wall Street’s original goals, “honest government” but I am afraid they are lilliputian compared to the giants who really run the world. See the videos at hiddensecretsofmoney.com and you will see what the Tea Party is really up against.

  14. hawk711 October 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    As always, an interesting forecast of the political and social process.

    For another day, download The Obamacare Wars, for another alternative view of the current madness, for free at Amazon.com

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Obamacare-Wars-James-Heald-ebook/dp/B00FR269JW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382373308&sr=8-1&keywords=the+obamacare+wars

    or read the blog at http://jimheald.blogspot.com

  15. budizwiser October 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    James – writing nice things about the future – and extolling the virtues and ingenuity of your countrymen are two important character traits for the modern American.

    You sir – are not a modern American. I say “harumphh” to you.

    After recently traveling to a nearby city – one that is loaded with first class hospitals and a couple of Universities to boot- I came to realize that there is indeed another “half.”

    Yes JK – there are in fact people out having a good ole time – not knowing anything about this “fraud” or energy predicaments you write about. Yes you are correct that most of these people wear headphones constantly – and most are in debt to someone or something.

    Ah -great to be young?

    Anyhow – I’ve been reading and posting for about six years -and I’m still clueless and frustrated. And you’re becoming more colorful -but hardly anymore accurate.

    Someone – post some answers.

    When and where will owning metal start to count? Walmart and my mechanic only take greenbacks?

    How can i find a community where only “good people” carry the guns?

    WTF – why are you in the northeast – there’s a reason why gramps and gammah live in Florida?

    • happiface October 21, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

      hey bud n wiser–read Martin’s Armstrongs blog on the “timing” of events-I wish you much wisdom and happiness….in the state of Utah I found many good people and they all had firearms.

      • mike October 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

        But they can’t be ‘good’ people, that’s Mormon territory! God-fearing people aren’t intellectual enough to be safe around! Ask Jimmy.

        Personally, I’d rather be amid churchgoing MORAL folk carrying weapons in any kind of societal upheaval than in any urban area where God is not cool, not welcome and immorality rules.

  16. Helen Highwater October 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    And in other news today, British Prime Minister David Cameron has hailed the UK government agreement with French-owned EDF to build the first new British nuclear power station in 20 years, saying it was a very big day for Britain and would kickstart a new generation of nuclear power in the UK. If you’re interested, the full article is at
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/21/britain-nuclear-power-station-hinkley-edf

    The stupidity of the world’s “leadership” is absolutely astounding.

    • St. Roy October 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

      One of you most entertaining posts. As Neon said first noted, some great phrases: Empire of Grift, Cell Phone Labotomy, Cracker Party/Cracker Republic and horse-latitdes of history are really gem descriptors of current affairs of State. You certainly have a way with words!

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

      Naw they are just so far ahead they seem to be behind. They’re behind us all the way – to push us over the edge into the Abyss.

  17. BackRowHeckler October 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    George, this seems to be the accepted wisdom everywhere, from the highest levels, like you say, to the dude pumping gas next to you at the local Citgo Station. The Financial Times of London, for the past year or so, has been regularly running articles and editorials about ‘America’s growing energy independence’, the wonders of new ways to extract oil using unheard of technology, OPEC going out of business, US becoming the largest oil exporter, and major oil gluts in the near and far future.

    In short, on the energy front, there are no worries.

    BRH

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

      Meditate on a lump of coal. If you keep staring at it you’ll begin to see rainbows in the depths of its craggy darkness. Coal is a diamond in the rough. It’s not the answer but certainly an answer. And we have lots.

  18. pequiste October 21, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    As several others have stated – they were take with JHK’s phrase “the Age of Consequence.” Knock out characterization of our times.
    The lack of consequentiality is one of the glaring features of the American experience in the post-modern and millennial eras.
    Both on micro and macro levels. For example we don’t spank kids anymore because that would be child abuse. Or at least your local Department of CHildren and Families would have you believe. Even though the kid really would benefit from a trip behind the woodshed. On the other hand those same DCF folks are falling all over themselves to give unwed mothers of five or six kids (all with different “baby daddies” (gag)) all the treats they can handle; i.e. EBT cards, SNAP, Section 8 housing, free school lunches…..anything to reward really bad behavior.
    On the other hand JHK has well informed us, as have a few other critics, that the USA alone has engaged in orgies of food, energy, finance, military adventures, and other aspects of civilizations activities, sans consquence, since at least the end of WWII.
    The consequences of our actions are building up a mightly caldera of the magma of resentment, hate and revenge that will explode in a manner that will shake the world to its core.
    However on the brighter side of things here on the fringe of Boca Raton, Florida, I am going to leave some Banana Spider webs up for Hollowean and hope trick-or-treaters step into the reality of some big ass spiders on my front porch.

  19. Q. Shtik October 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    “…, how much of the “Dow Jones Average” is predicated on the the doings of Retail? ” – Oz
    =============

    Not sure which of the stks in the DOW are considered “Retail” but here are the 30 component stks.

    http://money.cnn.com/data/dow30/

    Of those, one might consider the following to be retail:

    HD
    MCD
    NKE
    PG
    KO
    WMT

    As to what percent Retail is of our economy I couldn’t say without more research which I’m not in the mood for today. I’m seeing the Urologist this afternoon to see if I need to be reamed out again. The last time was Sept 2009.

  20. doggersize October 21, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

    Southern interests have always been corralled into voter blocs that drag the country down. From the 3/5ths rule for congressional seats, to President Jackson’s annihilating the National Bank, to the proliferation of slavery, to the Free Trade Deals and the Reagan Revolution.

    The New Deal and World War II and cold war spending developed the place into being something more than a whiter skinned version of Mexico or some other semi-third world nation. and now they are running the show, so things are bound to get worse.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

      Remember, the North did all it could to destroy the South economically before, during, and after the war. Some wanted even more – to take even the land away from White Southerners to make them a permanent underclass. Good men in both the North and South, some openly and some secretly, fought the fanatics back to restore civil society.

      Read the Southern Agrarians. The book “I’ll Take My Stand” is a good introduction. They were promoting decentralization, a critique of industrialism, and a return to the land long before almost anyone else.

      • doggersize November 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

        The North did everything it could to restore the South After the war, until the long Recession hit. The South wasn’t much economically before the war. It had enormously wealthy landed plantation owners controlling the politics, but on the whole it was probably even less developed than Mexico. If we had simply let the South secede, they would today be poorer than mexico.

        The Southern Agrarians is a book of southern apologia in an era of reform. it was an exercise in political correctness.

        The North was both more agrarian and more industrial than the South. Free Farmers were both more numerous, harder working, better educated, and more numerous in the North than in the South.

  21. Smoky Joe October 21, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    Mr. Scrooge, I mean Kunstler, is a bit “mad dog” today, and he seems to be cheer-leading for the collapse I sense coming.

    One thing he does have spot-on is how our youth, those most capable of making change and most rewarded by demanding it, are addicted to small screens clutched obsessively in their palms.

    The tap and walk, tap and drive, but either way cannot see the common cliff ahead.

  22. newworld October 21, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Now Jim, while you scan for motes in other’s eyes how about you admit to the magic thinking you grew up with? That would be secularized Judaism of the Blank Slate Theory.

    BST being nothing but magic hoakum.

    Other than that you folks are spot on, and frankly I could care less if you libs destroy every last taboo of the conservatives, because we are going to destroy yours as well.

    These are truly glorious days my friends, taboos lined up like sacrifices at the Aztec temples.

  23. kleymo October 21, 2013 at 4:30 pm #

    This is what I don’t like about Kunstler. Nothing but obfuscation.

  24. gtuner October 21, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Neon: In general color me in agreement. Hard to say any of the JHK commentaries are less than classics BUT this one blazed many trails. “[A]s they attempt to ‘splain” particularly brilliant as it cleverly mocks the class the author adeptly excoriates.

    • ozone October 21, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

      Would that be: D G D G B D by any chance?

  25. rube-i-con October 21, 2013 at 8:18 pm #

    Coal is a diamond in the rough. It’s not the answer but certainly an answer. And we have lots.

    Vlad you racist bastard, that’s just what I said a few weeks back! “We have 250 years of coal”, said the DOE website.

    Tip o’ the hat to you, sir.

    peace peaceniks

  26. rube-i-con October 21, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

    These are truly glorious days my friends, taboos lined up like sacrifices at the Aztec temples.

    very nice line, touché

    peace sandniggas

  27. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

    One can find on Youtube some fascinating interviews with infamous sociopath serial killers such as Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway.

    What I find interesting is that serial killers are Con Men. They use lies and propaganda to fool their victims. They also tend to be glib, real “smoothies”, like Ob,ama.

    Several prominent persons commented about Ted Bundy that “if he hadn’t been executed for murdering 35 women, he would have gone on to do great things.”

    Ted Bundy in his final interview before his execution remarked that “we live among you. We are your sons, your fathers, your husbands.”

    Question: What if our leadership class has become dominated by a bunch of deranged sociopaths who hide their dark, evil personas in the closet?

    • ozone October 21, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

      IF?
      What evidence have you that most of them are NOT deranged/clever sociopaths?

      “…The President was calling for calm hearts and minds,
      But in private consultation, death warrants were signed;
      As the armor rumbled forward and the mob screamed for bread,
      Flesh and madness exploded in a hurricane of lead…”

      (So far, the death warrant droning is, in point of fact, taking place. We’ll see about the other particulars as time marches on and the goodies are withdrawn or severely constrained.)

    • SteveO October 22, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

      Several prominent persons commented about Ted Bundy that “if he hadn’t been executed for murdering 35 women, he would have gone on to do great things.”

      He was qualified to take any Wall Street CEO’s job.

  28. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    JHK wrote: “One might think the young people of this land would be seething at the eclipse of their futures, but it seems they have been successfully lobotomized with cell phones — when the endorphin hits lag between text messages, they can watch sitcoms, or porn.”

    How common is it for Young Uns today to watch po,rn on the Internet?

    Ted Bundy in his final interview said that “…a common thread among violent criminals in prison is a fascination with porn,ograp,hy.”

    I heard that many young males in the U.S. “hook up” for sex with females through those dating websites. That can’t be psychologically healthy.

    How does p,ornogr,aphy affect young females? In my experience, unlike males who seek “sex objects”, females rather seek “prestige objects”, i..e, men who are “famous”, or who have status and power in the society.

  29. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 9:28 pm #

    Ted Bundy appeared to suggest that he can spot other sociopaths.

    If so, then sociopaths could become a formidable force and a nasty, intractable problem if they start to associate in secret societies (formal or informal) and help each other? They could use such secret societies as a vehicle for satisfying their sexual perversions.

    With regard to female po,,rnogr,aphy, I suspect that “female po,rnog,raphy” might take a different form than male po,rn,ogr,,aphy? Much of the commercial advertising now on TV might actually be “female po,,rno,,graphy” in that it appeals to the “prurient interests” of females, and may encourage excessive femininity in males? We just don’t recognize “female po,rno,,graphy” since we only have a definition for male po,rn, ogra,phy?

  30. nsa October 21, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

    We here in Langley get paid for our accurate threat assessments. There are now exactly zero threats to our glorious nation’s future. The financial class is enjoying a roaring bull equity market, large international corporations are wallowing in record profits, the real estate industry is enjoying a new bull market in both residential and commercial real estate, energy is relatively cheap and very plentiful, our 100 plus colonies around the globe are as meek and subservient as eunuchs serving an empress, the masses of proles are enjoying their free ride on disability and foodstamps and unlimited free doctor visits for their obesity and diabetes, the warmongers have their pathetic little slaughters to satisfy their boodlust. We have finally established Pax Americana…..and we here in Langley are very proud of our part in this magnificent enterprise.

  31. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    They seemed to be very scared that the U.S. government might default on its debt payments.

    They even hauled out some elite financial guru from the London “Financial Times” on Bill Moyers to propagandize about the virtues of “Big Government”, and the biggest debtor of all, the US government. He spoke in the accent of The King’s English.

    You see, the underlying contracts to all of this debt are likely to contain certain contractual provisions that are likely to be triggered if a debt payment is not met. Non-payment on one contract is likely to trigger contractual provisions in other contracts relating to these underlying contracts, and so forth and so on, in the domino cascade of default. In other words, the Shit-Hits-the-Fan, so to speak.

    The Millennials could probably also threaten to bring the House down by threatening to default on their student loans?

    Pull the Plug on this Shit……

  32. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 10:21 pm #

    Do you remember that scene in the movie “Blazing Saddles” when the black sheriff surrounded by a hostile crowd of “white folks” threatening to kill him puts his pistol barrel to the temple of his head and says:

    “Don’t come any closer, or I’ll shoot the Sheriff!”

    Then the dumb “white folks” all back off.

  33. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    In the 1990′s they produced those series of movies entitled “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids!”, followed by “Honey, I Blew Up the Kids!”, etc.

    In one movie, the bumbling inventor father uses in ray gun invention to enlarge the family baby into a giant 50 foot baby, who then breaks free to run amok in the city.

    We never saw what happens when the insolvent, indebted US Government 50 foot Baby shits in his diapers.

  34. sevenmmm October 22, 2013 at 5:34 am #

    China takes a back seat to Social Security in US debt holdings. But soon THE FED will even surpass all and become the top dog. Snarl and bite.

    Where did THE FED get the money from to buy all this debt? How will Social Security recipients react when they received real value of this debt numbered to their bank accounts?

    More than just interesting to find out.

    I give the system until 2016 before the starvation moment sinks into the under minded among us.

  35. K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    Shades of Soylent Green it seems. I hope the situation is not as dire as in that long forgotten story.

    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1858263/oceans-horror-tale-gets-global-audience/?cs=303

    Sorry it interrupt the pucker show.

    Not

    • K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 11:53 am #

      Sorry to interrupt the pucker show.

      Sorry it interrupts the pucker show.

      Take your pick.

    • ozone October 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

      Ties right in with what Orlov expounds upon.
      Thanks.

  36. ozone October 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    JHK, K-dog, UFIA, and a few other reg’lar visitors and posters who show an actual interest in facing the outcomes of our current predicaments (and those yet to rear their ugly heads), here’s a link to what I consider a very important examination of what ails us:

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-sixth-stage-of-collapse.html#more

    He makes a convincing case that Business-As-Usual will ensure our extinction. Serious thought is required. Wishful cornucopians can keep their pie in the sky fantasies to themselves, as they’re distinctly unhelpful and a powerful excuse to sit back, do nothing and let “somebody” “think of something”. (Invoking the image of Cheeze Doodles is entirely appropriate as the ultimate end-product of industrial, petrochemical civilization.)

    • Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

      Ok let’s talk about it then. You disagree that we have enough coal to power our economy for the next two hundred years? Obviously that would mean switching to electric cars or ethanol/electric. If so, defend your thesis. I might be wrong, I might be crazy or maybe the cracked pot lets the light in. I know it’s dirty energy, but better than freezing, dying, or not being able to read at night. Of course, there may have been advancements in coal technology to make it less so. How would we know since the whole subject has become taboo to both the Left and the Oil controlled Right?

      I’m asking you and Kdog to fight your dogmatic tendencies to hate people who bring up fresh viewpoints. Again I’m no expert, maybe there is nowhere near that much. I’m going on the figure Rube threw into the pot. But I’ve heard similar before. Don’t defend yourself by attacking us. Defend your viewpoint please.

      • K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

        Coal has an approximate chemical formula of C135H96O9NS. It is very dirty energy compared to say, natural gas. You’ve admitted it is dirty so its use should not be unrestrained. And that S at the end is not a good thing. It also contains mercury and we are all stupid enough without all becoming as mad as a hatter.

        Coal produces a lot of CO2 when burned so you won’t be freezing if it is used to replace oil. In fact burn enough coal and you won’t be finding an ice cube in Alaska. You won’t be reading at night because you’ll be dead. A better choice would be to do your reading in the daytime and change your lifestyle. That way when your not reading at night you’ll be sleeping instead of being dead. Unrestrained use of coal might well bring on Near Term Human Extinction.

        We can’t have total abstinence from coal right now but we need restraint. The most important thing JHK has ever written so far is: “We need to make new living arrangements”.

        New living arrangements will reduce carbon footprints more than any change in technology possibly can. I suggest as much as it sucks a carbon tax and trade agreements must depend on trading partners reducing carbon footprints or they don’t get to sell stuff here or buy our stuff either.

        The role of government is to govern and a tax structure should be generated that stimulates carbon footprint reducing industries and the economy; giving people jobs and our children a future.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

          You are referring to the Global Warming hypothesis? That is unproven heretofore. We can’t change everything on the basis on an unproven theory. But that’s why big Government and their lackey Corporations want. What we know is that we will die without energy. And we have coal. Here, in them thar hills. No need for more war in the Middle East. Lots of poor Whites willing to risk their lives getting it out of the ground too. I admit it’s dirty, but there must be some steps that could be taken to clean it up a bit. I would support industry standards in that direction.

          In the meantime, we could be working on solar and other clean technologies. Coal will give us the time we need. It’s not a permanent solution but it could be a long term one.

        • ozone October 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

          K-dog,
          How did that work out for you?

          • Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

            Well the Feds and their Corporations do want a whole system based on carbon credits, right? If you have a point to make, why don’t you just make it? Don’t be so shy and proud!

          • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

            Can’t help myself sometimes. He pretends to be reasonable like he is going to throw a ball for me to chase and I start to run. But he doesn’t throw the ball. It’s just a fake-out and he’s messing with me.

            Mountains of evidence now showing global warming to be real with measurements exceeding predictions and we have:

            You are referring to the Global Warming hypothesis? That is unproven heretofore.

            Unprecedented Arctic Warming: Average Summer Temperatures in Last 100 Years May Be Warmest in 120,000 Years

    • stelmosfire October 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

      WINE! Did U say WINE! My buddy and I recently picked and crushed about 30 gallons of grapes. In a year we should have about 20 G after racking. ‘Course the ol’ lady will kill that in no time , being the fine Italiano which she is! My Nonno used to make 200 G a year( the legal limit) I believe. There was never any left after 12 months. I remember going to the train yards in Springfield to pick up crates of grapes from Cali. back in the ’60′s. I just gave away his old press to my brother. It was way too big for me.

      • ozone October 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

        Damn right, RT, WINE is what I said and I ain’t a’takin’ it back! ;)
        Wish I was talking about 20 gallOOns though. I’ll have about 3, which should last me nearly a week. lol
        Nice that you have someone around to “appreciate” your efforts!

        How did you crush that many grapes without an ‘official’ press?
        I stripped them off the stems, threw them in a pot until there was about 2 inches of them and smashed them up with a potato masher and poured the must into the 5gal. fermenter. Took a while, little by little like that, but good result. (Remember, I only had about 32 lbs. to go through.)

      • Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

        Crushed with your feet? What did you sing as you danced? See the I love Lucy episode about this.

    • K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

      Cheeze Doodles is appropriate you’re right. I always thought it was funny and expressive of a bad lifestyle but as you point out it is also quite clever.

      • K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

        Ooops, that was to Ozone a few comments up.

        • ozone October 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

          No worries, got it.
          Them Doodles are kind of a shining example of how we’ve chosen to “inhabit the landscape”, aren’t they?

  37. ozone October 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

    Prog!,
    Wildly off-topic here, but check this out (if you haven’t already).

    http://www.willisorchards.com/category/Bunch+%26+Seedless+Grape+Vines?gclid=CP3cro36qroCFYqi4Aod6jAA8A

    They’re Georgia based. Having just made up a batch of wine from my piddly little supply of grapes, I thought you might like to look into some varieties that will grow well for you. (I can’t imagine that Fredonia grapes of my hometown on the shores of Lake Eire would work in your climate, but hey, they’re growing them right next door to you!)

  38. BatMastersonJr October 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    The signal to noise ratio on this blog is approaching zero. Some poetic phraseology, though.

  39. laceration October 22, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    Kunstler has more quotable quotes in one piece than other writers get in a lifetime.

  40. Kris October 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    The Republican Party isn’t dead, but they have certainly damaged themselves in the past three weeks.

  41. Pucker October 22, 2013 at 5:48 pm #

    JHK wrote: “One might think the young people of this land would be seething at the eclipse of their futures, but it seems they have been successfully lobotomized with cell phones — when the endorphin hits lag between text messages, they can watch sitcoms, or porn.”

    Just how addictive is pornography, especially upon young, impressionable minds?

    Have we created a society of Zombies dependent upon psychotropic drugs to prevent people from running amok?

    Ted Bundy said that it was alcohol that lowered his inhibitions and enabled him to cross the line and give vent to his perversions. Bundy said that during his first series of murders he was “half drunk”. Later he didn’t need the alcohol to murder women.

    I guess that the purpose of psychotropic drugs is to raise the subject’s inhibitions so that he is not tempted to “cross the line”? Psychotropic drugs are the anti-thesis of alcohol?

    They must think that there is a large percentage of the US population who are potential, dormant sociopaths who need to be medicated?

    What happens when people take psychotropic drugs and alcohol at the same time? Or take psychotropic drugs and those high-caffeine energy drinks at the same time?

  42. Pucker October 22, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    In his final interview, Ted Bundy suggested that he could spot others like him in society.

    It looks like Ted Bundy was being recruited by the establishment. Bundy was working for the Washington State’s Secretary of State’s office even as Bundy was murdering women in Seattle. The Washington State Secretary of State Ralph Munro spoke quite highly of Ted Bundy. Prominent figures in the community encouraged Bundy to go to law school and wrote letters of recommendation in support of his law school applications.

    If Ted Bundy hadn’t “crossed the line” by recklessly drinking alcohol and giving vent to his “prurient interests”, Bundy probably would have quickly moved up the hierarchy to find others who shared his perversions and who would have protected him, and given Bundy ways to channel his perversions to serve their interests. A secret cult which is a vehicle for satisfying one’s sexual perversions would be almost impossible to break.

  43. Pucker October 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm #

    Maybe that’s a motive beyond Obamacare, i.e., they need to give the US population broad access to psychotropic drugs so they don’t go into a sociopath, Zombie frenzy?

    Zombies don’t care about their futures because they’re mentally dead already and only respond to electronic, emotional stimulus, like iphones, violent video games, and porn.

  44. Pucker October 22, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    Serial killer Ted Bundy’s mentors (including prominent politicians and university professors) encouraged Bundy to go to law school and provided Bundy with laudatory law school recommendation letters.

    I bet that in their recommendation letters they wrote that Ted Bundy was a real “Go Get Her.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

    • K-Dog October 22, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

      Ted Bundy occasionally went to the Blue Moon tavern in Seattle Washington’s University District when he lived less than a quarter mile from it. I also lived in the area as a young man and talked to several men who personally remembered him being at the Blue Moon.

      He was long gone before I was ever in the area. This is heresy and should be taken as such but I was personally told by men who personally saw him at the Blue Moon Tavern that he gave people the creeps and was not a swave charmer that legend portrays him to be. The notable observation is that nobody wanted anything to do with him and would move away from him at the bar.

      His academic performance was lacklustre as books about him have well documented. I read one of the books some years ago and recall that immediately prior to his first arrest he was close to being booted out of law school and was barely maintaining a C average which in law school is not good at all. Apparently his inner demons seriously interfered with his ability to get on in life.

      Often truth is not as glamorous as legend and sells far fewer books.

  45. Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    Special vaccines that lower the population! Calling Dr Moe, Dr Larry, Dr Ozone.

    http://www.sott.net/article/252653-Bill-and-Melinda-Gates-Foundation-Vaccines-reduce-population-growth

  46. Janos Skorenzy October 22, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    Blonde Angel stolen by Gypsies. And you thought that was just a folktale! We have forgotten so much – in some cases willfully.

    http://gma.yahoo.com/kidnapped-gypsy-girls-dna-no-matches-interpol-database-212033722–abc-news-topstories.html

  47. BleatToTheBeat October 23, 2013 at 12:25 am #

    My Great Grandmother told me that during the depression in the ’30′s, men would wander down country roads in Indiana looking for whatever work or assistance they could get. Many were taken in. Great grandma told me that we had an “Uncle Chet”. He was not related to my family in any way that could be determined. Yet, he squired a lot of my current relatives.

    Who is YOUR Daddy?

    Does anyone really know what went on before DNA testing? For Fuck’s Sake, I have relatives from New Orleans that have lived there since that city was established. It’s a checkered history at best.

    And for all of you Snot-Nosed Fucks that say “Yeah, I can trace my lineage back to the Duke of Marlboro Cigarettes”,

    I say…

    Have some cake, motherfucker.

    GO CARDINALS!!!

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 12:55 am #

      So in other words, it’s Ok to prey on Whites.

  48. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 3:21 am #

    I vaguely remember The Blue Moon Tavern. My watering hole was The College Inn, but I’m sure that Bundy hung out there too.

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 10:07 am #

      The Blue Moon was a total dive with a bare red dyed concrete floor like an old gas station, it reeked of stale beer and the body odour of countless felons. Students did not go there except on weekends when there was live music at the Rainbow Tavern next door. I don’t know what the place is like inside now. The exterior has been redone and is spiffy compared to what it was like years ago. I expect it is totally different inside, has been gentrified, and the rough crowd is gone. I drove by the place last week.

      The College Inn I’m pretty sure is long gone but next time I’m through the area I’ll check. Ann Rule asserts Bundy did in fact go to the College Inn in a book or article she wrote about the sick fuck. “The Stranger Beside Me”? Bundy rented a room about midway between the two places. The College Inn was too pricey for him to have hung out at on any regular basis.

      Overall the University District in Seattle is now much more up-scale than it used to be when I lived there. Perhaps if you stop obsessing about serial killers you might go on and on about the change in the area being proof of endless American cornucopian bounty, the folly of peak oil, and why a ‘Snapback’ won’t be happening. How it will be unnecessary to gird “loins for the new age of consequence“. That would be an improvement. Bullshit but an improvement for sure.

  49. ozone October 23, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    …For those who still list “reading comprehension” as an important cognitive function:

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-sixth-stage-of-collapse.html

    Please note, despite distractions, hollerings, messenger-shooting and poutings that purport otherwise, this essay is NOT about whether or not we can continue the WalMartian and automotive lifestyle by other means/energy inputs.

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 10:33 am #

      It is very good and well thought out. I liked this snippet:

      “economists tend view the natural realm in terms of its economic value. This is similar to you looking at your own body in terms of its nutritional content”

      And did you notice the comments after the article? There are some very good ones there (fourth one down). Many comments seem to focus on Fukushima which is a serious issue but not the major thrust of the article. Dimitry describes a (dare I say it?) clusterfuck of environmental problems of which Fukushima is but one pea in the soup.

      Perhaps some people focus on Fukushima because the rest of the problems mentioned are too daunting when added up. Adding them up suggests a new dark age looms before us. Or worse.

  50. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    Ted Bundy is my Halloween motif this year.

    Gotta get into da Mood…..

  51. nsa October 23, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    K-Dog and Pucker:
    The Blue Moon Tavern on 45th Ave one block from I-5 was a radical hangout back in the late 60s and early 70s……back when Seattle was a unionized blue collar town with only one pro sports franchise…..the low rent sonics, Boeing was near bankruptcy as the govt largesse dried up….and you could easily drive across town in 15 minutes and there was a bar every couple of blocks, and not a case of beer moved on a truck without a teamster sticker…..and the mafia owned Lang Towing worked with the crooked cops to tow away cars and hold them for ransom.,,,,and mercifully MAD did not exist. Then the yuppie compuker techie crowd moved in and Seattle changed into a cartoon version of Santa Clara with lots of rain. And the horrible wretched coffee movement capped off the destruction of a great blue collar drinking town….bye bye TooHi and Fremont Tavern and hello $5 latties and mochies for the yuppies, cunts, fags, and techies. Now Fremont has a huge Adobe Building filled with creeps with lots of money, beer tasting rooms, upscale antique stores, condo conversions, etc………

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

      Yes the old Freemont tavern. Along with the Blue Moon two places where the smell of burning rope was openly tolerated as long as it was not too blatant and kept near the back. Now the place is an abomination of five buck microbrews and polished brass. No more a place where a guy a bit down on his luck could find a bit of generosity and cheer. Definitely a move in the wrong direction.

      I new a guy who worked at Lang (late 70′s) and I’ll never forget stopping by and visiting him at work one night at the Eastlake lot. He had said stop by any time and I did. While there he asked me if I’d like a car for the night. At the time all I had was the foot-mobile.

      “Just go back in the lot and pick one out” he said, “It’s Ok”. I thought he was kidding but he was dead serious. “No really go pick one out, anyone you like.” I passed on the offer.

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

      I used to buy “Yukon Blend” at the one and only Starbucks in the world on University Ave just north of 45th. It was the best and if I close my eyes I can still smell it.

    • wayfarer October 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

      I like that. Rather poetic, right or wrong and I lean right. I miss the jobs for average joes.

  52. Q. Shtik October 23, 2013 at 11:04 am #

    To AMR,

    If by any chance you’re still monitoring this CFN blog I want you to know that your writing skill and perspective are missed.

    Also, I am wondering why you stopped posting your own blog – aliensinthefamily – so abruptly, the last being July 7th.

  53. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    ‘Zone on Orlov’s Sixth Stage:
    “He makes a convincing case that Business-As-Usual will ensure our extinction. Serious thought is required. Wishful cornucopians can keep their pie in the sky fantasies to themselves, as they’re distinctly unhelpful and a powerful excuse to sit back, do nothing and let “somebody” “think of something”. – Oz giving janoS the cue to begin his daily masturbatory dalliance on CFN.
    ***************
    I agree, and I notice that Orlov’s taken in much of the circulating web chatter that surviving an economic collapse is the least of the troubles building for humanity, thus leading to his decision to extend his thesis to include a sixth stage of collapse – a desire to save some things that humans deem worthy. Accordingly, many ecological devastation measures have seemingly breached suspected thresholds and are now imagined to be intractable. We know that purveyors of this POV, Guy McPherson et al, advocate a sort of non-hedonistic capitulation, with a suggestion to live a “life of excellence” during the supposed final days. This simply means to do nothing related to Empire, and there isn’t anything wrong with the tactic other than it is entirely impossible to do but for stripin’ down to a loin cloth, pickin’ up a diggin’ stick, and wanderin’ into the wild, something even Guy isn’t willing to do as he continues to travel anywhere he’s requested, fully clothed. Ego is a bitch, ain’t it?

    Oddly, Orlov and Mcpherson wrap their assertions about the need to stifle “progress” with a noble intent to preserve at least some semblance of life on Earth, as though humans have ever possessed such power, as if nature ever gave a shit about human intention. Is this not just a subtler form of narcissism no different to techno-narcissism?

    On the other hand, primary researchers such as Dr. Mark Cochrane et al (G. McPherson himself produces not a stitch of primary climate research any longer) argue that while climate science interpolates solidly, extrapolations about the scale of problems humanity faces are less certain; meaning, only shitheads like jaNos still believe climate change is a hoax, but more importantly, the scale of planetary climatic chaos to come is such that wholesale changes to the way humans do biznez is unlikely (and mistakenly unnecessary). This is the cautious, though possibly still mistaken, POV that the frequency of negative climate events will surely make life more difficult yet still manageable. More to the point, many using this counter data in service of hidden agendas and in the interest of economic growth and so called “wealth preservation” are doing exactly the opposite with regard to resource preservation, suggesting instead that we make dirty energy resources “more clean” so that we may bridge some sort of indefinable gap with yet developed magical tech. Of course, we all know that any such extended use of the very materials that brought us to this point will only speed the evolution of the predicament; however, it allows “us” to get away with not making the individual and collective changes needed to truly amount to anything. Even if say the U.S. were to willfully collapse itself into a conscientious local economy, most of the other world powers certainly would not unless absolutely forced. Indeed, technology and remaining energy will allow this species to continue with global extrication no matter what. Jeremy Grantham argues that whatever is left in the ground will be used, and, it will probably be used faster than it was prior to peak. I’m certain that technology today, never mind tomorrow, is sufficient to ensure this.

    When I was first waking up, Chris Martenson explained that problems have solutions and predicaments have only outcomes. Why now is there a sudden reversion, especially within the mindset of older folk, to finding solutions? I find it funny that as elderly voters wake up to the realization that the current situation is politically, culturally, and socially untenable, they’re suddenly trying to hand-off the ball or Hail Mary pass responsibility for finding “solutions” to the youth. Why, now that the science is in and the problem now a predicament, old motherfuckers want the youth to ensure them a comfortable demise? Does anyone genuinely doubt that the idea that we need to act immediately, definitively, and apolitically will never reach critical mass? The stench now emanating from adult diapers who realize their entitlements are being taken away is causing the sort of panic JHK has for years predicted (See Q’s no longer free Medicare screed for evidence). And the freak show hasn’t even reached Climax.

    Hmm, I’ve fussed and farted for too long, so I’ll end with a final agreement with Orlov’s assertion that billions of human lives are worth losing so that a few organisms have a chance to remain, but I have no preference, nor does nature, as to what is allowed to remain. But the narcissists do. Weak intellects like mine harbor no aspirations toward Godly intervention upon the Grand Scheme, yet Masters of the Universe such as Dr. Craig Venter and the great jaNos The wHit-E do. I opt to let these assholes keep on strivin’ for exceptionalism and excellence.

    Skip to 33:10 to hear Dr. Venter’s working “solution” to economic and species collapse. His team might just pull this shit off, but most of us will still die, and humans will cease to be anything naturally conceived anyway. Oh and for the Trolls who claim to be more adept at deciphering text, stop lying. You have no genuine desire to read any of the primary research regarding these ideas or honestly debate point-for-point, so all that is left to you is internet blog chatter and secondary reporting. You’ll claim that you’ve been unfairly insulted while delivering back-handed insults of your own all the while. Cry babies.

    http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60285309

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

      Coal. Black Gold. Kentucky Tea. Two hundred years worth. We don’t have to freeze in the dark. Kdog had no rebuttal just his Faith in Global Warming – God holding us closer or just a natural part of the End of Days?

      The warming, such as it was, ended a few years ago. The real danger is a sudden cooling leading to crop failure. Global Warming, even if real, is something we could theoretically deal with because it’s gradual. In contrast, Ice Age conditions can establish themselves in a very few years.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

        My Gawd, not a word you’ve written above is intelligible to a well-informed soul. You’re not even capable of formulating a congruent argument, just plunging purdy little flowers into turds and pretending to have grown them.

        -UFIA

        • Arn Varnold October 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

          LOL, nice post. True ignorance knows no bounds and displays itself with every post.
          Cheers

      • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

        Strange you don’t consider imminent death and the end of life as we know it a rebuttal.

        Curiously a lot of reference to my neck of the woods has appeared in here this week which caused me to mention the Blue Moon Tavern.

        Another memory I have of the Moon is of Ulrich.

        Ulrich had retired from the shipyards and was originally from Latvia. He lived alone and had no friends. Apparently before coming to Seattle and getting into the shipyards he had been some kind of prison guard for the Nazis in WW2. Somehow he had managed to get over here; god knows how.. Nobody liked him and he had his very own place at the north east corner of the horseshoe shaped bar. If I thought Ulrich could possibly still be vertical I’d give the Simon Wiesenthal Center a call.

        Anyway he’d start out every night drinking his bird piss before the sun was down sitting alone and talking to himself. As the night wore on he’d get louder and louder.

        He’d go on and on about ‘stupid Americans’ and the ‘god-dammed joooos’. He’d start swinging at anybody that was fool enough too close to his stool about ten PM and would continue that bullshit until he closed the place down. Any woman who came in the door would be loudly called a goddam hooker with a stank pussy before she could blink.

        Everybody would ignore him unless his screaming rants got too loud at which point the bartender would always say: “Ulrich quiet your ass down. You’re bothering everybody and nobody wants to hear it. If you don’t shut up your going to have to get the hell out.”

        This always quieted his ass down for a few minutes because there was no other place Ulrich could go without being immediately 86-ed and he knew it. He had already outlived his welcome at all the other local bars where memory of his antics were not soon forgotten. Ulrich had some kind of financial arrangement going with the bartender so he could even be at the Moon in the first place.

        After being meek and mild for a few minutes Ulrich would start getting loud again and the whole thing would start all over again.

        You remind me of Ulrich.

        • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

          fool enough to get too close to his stool.

          BTW if anybody wants to know why I am spending so much time in here today it is because I am splitting my time between searching and applying for jobs and teaching myself Python. I click in here from time to time to see if I’ve been mentioned and need to respond. Which of course is optional.

        • ozone October 23, 2013 at 8:52 pm #

          Ulrich was/is his estranged deddie.

          BUT… the idea that it may all fly apart before the establishment of the niggerless neo-fascist empire (with all godly-ordained goodies intact) is forbidden to be contemplated. The fact that the point is missed entirely seems willful. The old ‘think positive and it shall come to pass’ meme is being spun into a blankie of denial to ward off any possibilities but the one fervently wished for.

          “Strange you don’t consider imminent death and the end of life as we know it a rebuttal”, is thus incomprehensible and possibly heretical.

      • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

        Obama has ‘die versity visas’ to bring in more non Christian, Non Euro people.

        The World Health Organization estimates that 1 in 3 Somalis are mentally ill due to their country’s constant violence and abuse of the Khat narcotic. Somali science however came up with a surefire cure for the crazies. Lock the patient up in a room with a hyena and wait for the ugly beast to see the demons causing the madness and drive them out.

        Somali medicine, like American medicine, however suffers from rising health care costs. A session with a trained psychiatric hyena costs 560 dollars in a country where the average national salary is 190 bucks putting a Mogadishu trained hyena on par with a Harvard trained psychiatrist.

        Somalis who can’t afford to blow a three month salary to spend time on the couch with a hyena have a more practical solution. They tie the affected person to a tree and leave. The hyenas usually find the patient sooner or later and snack on him pro bono, while his kin head off to the welfare office in Lewiston, Maine.

        Like the joke about the mental patient and the driver with the broken wheel, the Somalis may be nuts, but they aren’t stupid.

        Somalia only has half the Somali population. Kenya has almost a million. The United Kingdom has over 100,000 and Canada may have as many as 150,000. The United States has quite a few and Minnesota alone has may have 80,000 to 125,000 of them.

        American politicians, who can give any Khat-chewing Somali pirate a run for his money in the insanity department, dumped thousands of Somalis into Lewiston, Maine where they now make up a seventh of the population.

        The average low in Lewiston in January is near zero. Meanwhile January in Mogadishu is a balmy 86 degrees with occasional flurries of machine gun fire.

        Despite its chilly weather, Lewiston did have some warm welfare and the Somalis ignored the cold and flocked to the cold cash. The WHO may consider them crazy, but unlike the politicians who welcomed them in, they aren’t stupid.

        The Somali gangs that tore apart their homeland have been reborn in the frigid Midwest. Ten percent of the gang members in the Minneapolis Police Department’s system are Somalis. The Somali Outlaws, the Somali Hot Boyz and the Somali Assault Unit go from welfare to crime. Like the gangs at home, Somali migrant gangs scale up from street crime, drug trafficking, robberies, sex trafficking and protection rackets to international terrorism.

        Lewiston, Maine, a place as traditionally synonymous with gangs as Mogadishu is with snow, now has concerns about gang violence.

        Maine has gone from having no gang members a few years ago to having 4,000 of them. Mainahs have gone from thinking of gang members as something they saw on COPS to something they see when they look out the window.

        Vacationland now hosts the True Somali Bloods and the True Sudanese Bloods who spill each other’s blood to find out who has the truest blood of them all. In Lewiston, Somali flash mobs attack natives. In Bangor, a Somali gang is at the heart of local crime.

        Gangs are still the closest thing to a rule of law in Somalia. There was every reason to expect the Somali migrants in the United States to fall back into that pattern, clusters of young men building families around gangs and making their own law the way they did back home. Nietzsche said that when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you. When you stare at a hyena, the hyena stares back at you. When you stare into Somalia, Somalia stares back at you.

        The Somali migrants are not becoming Americanized. Maine and Minneapolis are becoming Somalized.

        The American hyena became extinct as the march of civilization drove it back. Where there is civilization, carrion eaters no longer eat well unless they learn to be small and quiet. In Somalia, hyenas thrive because there isn’t civilization and so there is good eating for their kind.

        Hyenas don’t destroy civilization. They are a symptom of its collapse. They are a sign that the city is giving way to the desert, the town to the village and the village to a handful of burnt out shacks. Carrion eaters go where civilization falls, where men no longer work shoulder to shoulder and where nothing bigger than a gang can endure. They go where there are bodies and no one to bury them.

        In Somalia, the hyenas that aren’t in private practice carry on a battle of wits with the Islamic terrorists of Al-Shabaab responsible for the Westgate Massacre in Kenya.

        The hyenas have been known to taste the occasional Al-Shabaab fighter who falls asleep in a Khat induced trance in the sun. And Al-Shabaab hunts and kills hyenas and sells their meat to finance terrorism. Hyenas, like most dog-like animals, are considered unclean in Islam, but Al-Shabaab overcame its Islamic scruples to sell hyena flesh and even market its consumption as effective at fighting off evil spells.

        Al-Shabaab, which keeps killing people in order to impose Islamic law on a country that already runs on Islamic law, has to use black magic to convince people to buy the meat of an animal that eats corpses.

        Including human corpses.
        The Islamic terrorist group is coming rather close to cannibalism in the name of imposing Islamic law. But American liberals are coming even closer to cannibalism in the name of imposing tolerance.
        Somalia is what happens when a country goes mad. And it would be foolish to believe that the same thing couldn’t happen here.

        If we could lock up the advocates of open borders in a room with a hyena for three days and hope the scavenger eats the evil spirits in their minds, it would be worth the 560 dollars.

        But lock an American politician in a room with a hyena and the laughing beast will not see evil spirits in his eyes, just a weak creature waiting to be eaten. That is the same thing that Somali thugs and terrorists see when those cheerful politicians welcome them to America.
        The Hyena Cure doesn’t work by eating evil spirits. Being locked in a room for three days with a predator that eats human flesh is the ultimate reality check. Either you put aside whatever illness has made it impossible for you to function in civilization. Or the hyena eats you.
        America, Canada, Europe and Australia all face the Hyena Cure. Either being locked in cities and towns with migrating predators wakes them from their madness.
        Or the hyenas eat them.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

      How many times did you vote for Obama? Twice right? And I’m the stupid one?

      • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

        No, only once. I voted for K-Dog the second time around.

  54. capt spaulding October 23, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    If I remember correctly, the tea party is financed by the Koch brothers, who are part of that fine group that lives in Texas. That’s not all the fair state of Texas has given us. How about Ted Cruz, the wannabe Joe McCarthy. That guy is the poster child for the slimy, opportunistic politicians in DC.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

      Joe McCarthy was a very great Man. He was wrong about Communism, it being far more pervasive than he imagined. Ted Cruz seems to be a good guy, but those are very big shoes to fill. Joe would have never endorsed mass legal immigration in the face of enduring high American unemployment. He was a Patriot through and through. Cruz is a Patriot but it’s watered down by his Libertarianism.

      You’re right: the Kochs are a plague. Whites need a media of their own.

      • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

        n Soros is not? Its just on one side?
        And Patriarch Koch started the JBS?

  55. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    I think that the phenomenon of Ted Bundy is interesting. Monsters do exist, but they teach us that Monsters are not real. Why do they try to hide the obvious?

  56. lingling October 23, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    ” it represents the interests of white southerners who are too dumb to know what these emergencies amount to. ”

    Oh for fuck’s sake. The only ideas espoused by the tea party are those involving fiscal responsibility and occasionally taking a peak at the constitution before proceeding off of the nearest cliff.

    I suppose the 90 trillion dollars worth of unfunded entitlements is not a reason for concern?

    Look around moron. Look at the destruction. You want to assign the tea party as responsible for creating the mess? You sir, are a fucktard.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      And Blacks are about to join the Tea Party is vast numbers. Any minute now. Can you admit once and for all, that America rises or falls on the White Race and none other?

  57. Carl Grimes October 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    There are weeks when I wonder why I read this blog, I could get this level of name calling and general purpose bigotry from any Democratic hack on television. The Tea Party Republicans are anarchists because 16% of our precious federal government was shut down for two weeks. The Republicans are traitors because they apposed a medical bill, it’s the law of the land. The liberals look like Charlie Brown with the football and Lucy’s paper, ‘ a document, wow, a signed document.’ I remember nigger lovers and other bleeding hearts opposing laws on general principal, and those laws were the law of the land, at least in certain areas, like abortioin laws, segregation laws, laws against homosexuality. They constantly try to pass laws restricting gun ownership even though these laws are unconstitutional. If the liberls are so obsessed about the sanctity of laws, I urge them to read the constitution.

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

      Breathtaking stupidity above… is there any question that this species should be allowed to go extinct?

      That will be all for now,

      -UFIA

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

      You should not insult anarchists by comparing them to tea party republicans. It’s not nice.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

        To use Prog’s schema: you can approach anarchism from the left but not the right? Why if anarchism is neither? You are showing not only a failure of logic but imagination. If Anarchists were sincere, they would be marching with the Tea Party. But instead they march with the biggest Government people of all – the Communists. Does that make sense? I mean forget about the historical accidents and development, just ask yourself does that make sense.

        Teaching mode (not for you Kdog, you’re not ready): Anarchism is an extreme political model postulating the evil of Government and the perfection of the individual. It’s is of course, unworkable since the individual on the average is a fallen being filled with vices and irrationality. So we can see it as the lower angle of an inverted triangle, with the Left and the Right as the higher angles. Just so, Fascism is the right side up triangle with Fascism as the higher angle. Anarchism represents collapse and Fascism healthy development. Of course if man was to become Man, government as such would not be needed and the paradise of Lao Tzu could be realized. Madison brought this up only to dismiss it just as I did above.

        • squid October 25, 2013 at 10:46 am #

          The American people have been mostly asleep for many decades now. Let the good times roll, until they don’t. Coming our way soon. The large majority of Americans are totally tuned out. No one reads anything anymore. The TV is the main stay of information, corrupted as it may be. Plus we have sports to keep us happy and occupied, what would life be without football and a beer in hand? The tea party like many things such as government shut downs are distractions to keep the focus off the real problems. Such as a printing press operation that says is printing $85B a month. The numbers are sure to be many multiples of that. History has shown us very clearly that no one any where has ever gotten away with printing unlimited worthless pieces of paper. A grand reset is in the making and this country is in line for a very huge wake up call. However as Jim says Xmas is upon us and all is well in fairyland.

  58. Q. Shtik October 23, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    “Oh for fuck’s sake………….You sir, are a fucktard. – lingling
    =========

    Welcome back lingling, formerly known as Mistified.

  59. beantownbill. October 23, 2013 at 4:59 pm #

    Orlov’s post to which O3 refers,

  60. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    ” You can be sure there will be a snapback from all this drift and anomie, and when it comes, the snap will be savage. Like the US economy, the Republican Party is dead but hasn’t gotten the news.”
    ….jhk….

    First of all, JHK, you bash the TEA party with the joy that you bash ALL things Southern, ignoring that the TEA party has deep support all over the country.

    The problem isn’t Dem’s vs. Repubs, vs TEA’s, btw. It’s political parties in general. I support the TEA’s only because they undercut the mainline Repubs, Romney’s and Bushes, all of them – who are aligned with mainline Dems in their support for Business, War, and Growth.

    Bah!

  61. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Here, this is a good first step:
    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/lets_get_this_class_war_started_20131020//

    “The inability to grasp the pathology of our oligarchic rulers is one of our gravest faults. We have been blinded to the depravity of our ruling elite by the relentless propaganda of public relations firms that work on behalf of corporations and the rich. Compliant politicians, clueless entertainers and our vapid, corporate-funded popular culture, which holds up the rich as leaders to emulate and assures us that through diligence and hard work we can join them, keep us from seeing the truth.” ….chris hedges….

  62. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    F,ascism has an evil, magical side, right?

    Didn’t the N.,,zi S,/ S worship some “Dark Star” alleged to exist in some obscure corner of the galaxy from which Hi,,mml,,er and his lunatic follows claimed to derive their magical power?

    What a bunch of psychos!

    Janos is right about Humanity being Fallen Angels.

    Society is in tragic denial not just about Collapse, but about the existence of Evil. Monsters are real, and they live among us. If they become our leaders in official or unofficial secret societies, like the N..z,,i S,,S, then God help us all!

  63. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    This is another great essay, if you’re the least bit interested in what has caused the Karmic Collapse that appears to be happening throughout Western Civilization.

    “Of course many Right-wingers do, in fact, have a ready explanation: the self-hatred that currently grips Europeans, and European-Americans, is a kind of plague germ spread by non-Europeans who wish to manipulate us for their own ethnic self-interest. But such manipulation would be impossible if Europeans did not already exhibit an innate capacity for ruthless, sometimes suicidal self-criticism. The anti-Western animus of the European Left may be foolish, dishonest, and disastrous – but it is not un-Western.”
    …..this excerpt is for Janos, especially…. I’d like your opinion.

    And this except is more for UFIA, maybe K-Dog, or any of you other relentless cultural liberals.

    “The Left-wing “celebration of diversity” amounts, in the end, to a celebration of culture in its external and superficial forms. In other words, to Western liberals “multiculturalism” winds up amounting simply to such things as different costumes, music, styles of dance, languages, and food. The real guts of the different cultures – how they view the world, how they view the divine, how they view men and women – have to be nipped and tucked (or even excised entirely) to bring them into conformity with Western liberalism.

    Thus, the hidden agenda of so-called “multiculturalism” is really the “Enlightenment,” or rather Europeanization, of all peoples. Now, I would venture to say that virtually no Western liberals are consciously aware of this. The obvious reason is that for the most part they are unable to see the culture of liberalism as uniquely Western – and thus they do not perceive that they have any Western identity at all. They see themselves as cosmopolitans; citizens of the world.”

    It’s a Hell of a good essay for all.

    • progress4what October 23, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

      Oops, forgot the link
      http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/10/becoming-who-we-are-leftist-eurocentrism-the-destiny-of-the-west/

      I still have it open in a separate tab. This thing is the best and most optimistic explanation of the events of the past 150 years that I have ever seen.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

        Optimism? Read the new one up now: we have a long, hard fight ahead of us with no guarantee of victory. If you want to be a Comrade, you will have to recant of many of your views and repent of many private tendencies.

        “Democracy is a regime deliberately intended to weaken and dispossess national populations in order to remove all obstacles to a consumerist society ruled by international finance and the managerial state.”

        http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/10/stop-saving-them-from-themselves/

    • K-Dog October 23, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

      “and this except is more for UFIA, maybe K-Dog, or any of you other relentless cultural liberals.”

      Tolerance and a desire to live and let live is where I’m coming from. I desire to know the real guts of other cultures and how they view the world and how they view the divine. As to how they view women unless they view them as totally equal to men, no more and no less, then I don’t give a rip.

      I am and strive to be my own dog and resent being branded a relentless cultural liberal or anything else. That paragraph refers to but another form of mindless obedience. I strive for true enlightenment and not to belong to any ‘ism’. I will align myself with other independent souls who are on the same quest such as Chris Hedges so long as they strive for truth. Men and women who try and think for themselves.

      An apology will be accepted.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

        You are profoundly Liberal – so much so that you can’t see it. No great Culture saw Women as “totally equal” (what the hell does that mean) to Men.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

      Yes, the Fish cannot see the water. Liberals cannot see how incredibly stuck they are in the Modern and Corrupt West. And of course they either don’t see other cultures at all or want to go on a Jihad to plant abortion clinics everywhere.

      We wish to return to the True West – and leave other Cultures to their God and their Destiny. And yes of course, leftist eurocentrism is another name for Fascism – but a Fascism that has had time to gain self knowledge through self criticism. Fascism 2.0 if you will.

    • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

      See my post on Somalis. In Canada, the anti Whites finally found a group that ‘bites and hates the hand that feeds it’…guess where they come from?

  64. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    There’s a lot of rather bizarre, demonic symbolism now in the media, such as the Chinese ad linked to below. The ad shows a sexy, Chinese girl dressed in black with one eye covered by her long hair combed over the front of one side of her face. And the ad shows the numbers “1314″ in Arabic numbers, and the number 1510 in Chinese numbers.

    The Chinese who are superstitious anyway would read 1314 as “It will dissolve; It will Die.” The number 1510 would be read as either “Desire Nothing; Desire Everything.” Or maybe “It will Empty into Nothingness; It will Become Complete.”

    Too Weird for me!

    http://hk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/shine-vol83-085953168.html

  65. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Ozone, thanks for that link to Willis Orchards. It’s in my bookmarks, and I’ll pay them a visit next time I’m over that way. It’s about 70 miles from here. They claim to have an olive tree that’s adapted to Zone 7. That, I’ve got to see – and then try to get to grow.

    I’m thinking that this whole year is sub-normal in temperatures,, at least around here, and (thank God) above normal in rainfall. One day/week/month/year does not a make a trend, but still….

    Anyway, here’s hoping the anthropogenic global warmists have missed some feedback loops – and that things won’t get too hot for life, as Guy McPherson suggests might happen.

  66. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    “….Evil. Monsters are real, and they live among us. If they become our leaders in official or unofficial secret societies, like the N..z,,i S,,S, then God help us all!” …..pucker…..

    Pucker, I hate to tell you this – but the political class has always been the hide-out for such people, probably going back to the beginnings of political classes.

    And modern corporate leadership is replete with psychopaths of all types, as well.

    So, pucker, is the fusion between politics and corporate leadership unofficial or official?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

      Yeah have the Police gotten worse? Some people think that a lower class of people now join. There may be something to that but I bet a lot of creeps always became Policemen – but because Society has gone down they can now get away with a lot more.

      • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

        There is a Black, Female L.E.O. in greater LA who makes about 300,000 a year + benefits.

  67. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Man, I have been so blind and so naive, quite frankly, I’m embarrassed!

    That must have been a fundamental purpose for creating the Internet, to be the “Eye of the Right” (the symbolism in the advertisement), and to spread pornography to corrupt the children, those who are innocent and not warped by society.

    Evil…..

    Protect the Children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. progress4what October 23, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    K-dog, I said “maybe,” so no apology is necessary. And you’d taken several pokes at the TEA’s, so I thought a poke at you was called for.

    And I couldn’t think of any uberliberals on CFN besides, apparently, UFIA. There have been a few, but they don’t tend to last long.

    And let me be clear (tm Obama? gag.), I’m in favor of anything that shakes up our present madness of mainline Dems and Repubs that are blundering along toward disaster in corporate funded bliss.

    The TEAs fit that bill better than anything I’ve seen in my young life.

    K-Dog Party will fit the bill when you get to 20% support, like the TEAs.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 12:00 am #

      You did say maybe so I’ll apologize.

      If I rhyme with liberal attitudes it is because I go to them my own way not because I follow anyone. Being dedicated to truth and justice means I do oppose injustice lies and flim-flamery.

      I have taken pokes at the TEAs your right. Fair enough. I’ll be more specific with my pokes in the future.

  69. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    One advantage that Ev,il has is Denial: People don’t like to talk about the Horror of E,vi,l. So they don’t talk about the Ho,locaust, etc., or the dirty little secrets of the N..zi s. Nor do they want to confront the Horror of Collapse.

    Even during Ted Bundy’s trial, the jurors and prosecutors didn’t want to confront the Hor,ror. In fact, during Bundy’s trial in Colorado, it was their denial that led them to believe that Bundy really was the mild-mannered defense attorney that he appeared to be, thus, giving Bundy an opportunity to escape.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

      Yes this is perhaps the function of horror and post apocalypse movies: they prepare us for what is to come.

      One conservative Catholic journalist said that she couldn’t get people to believe how bad the Convents have become with “nuns” having lesbian lovers and performing Wiccan rites – and then laughing about how the parishioners were paying for it all.

  70. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    “You have a bizarre belief that insulting a thing, idea, or person is the same as negating and disproving that thing, idea, or person.” – Afrog4Cons-tant contradictory ribbetting.
    **************
    The CFN archives demonstrate time and again that you yourself, alongside your partner in ceaseless inanity, jAnos, ALWAYS resort to these types of insults both implicitly and explicity in your remarks. Your just too fukin’ stupid to recognize your own bullshit. And to hell with phony cordiality at this point.

    When it comes to debating about a concept , the moment you reach the limit of your own understanding on the matter, you pull some sort of absurd, reductionist and usually unrelated counter-argument out of your ass to cover or distract from whatever it is you don’t get. Perhaps it’s fair to allow people on a genuine mission to learn something new this faux pas from time to time; however, you are an ideologue who’s only here to air your dirty laundry and push generic biases. That you cannot see this, or, worse, are unembarrassed by it is truly a shame.
    ****************
    “And this except is more for UFIA, maybe K-Dog, or any of you other relentless cultural liberals.” -Afrog4Cons-tant contradictory ribbetting, again.
    **************
    I defy you to find one example that squarely pegs my personal views as relentlessly culturally liberal. Then if you think you have, YOU by yourself must explain why it is so, without invoking a bunch of nonsense that is orthogonal to the topic at hand; nevertheless, I already know your too indoctrinated to the right/left dichotomy to think any other way. Broad ad hominem, which is all that idiotic excerpt really amounted to, is not a privilege only you get to invoke whenever it suits your purposes.

    This perfectly demonstrates your own tendency to grossly mischaracterize any of your friendly, or otherwise, adversaries’ various statements. Grow the fuck up. At the very least stop pretending to seek a real discussion when you do not.

    -UFIA

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 11:33 pm #

      You’re the one who desires violence as you expressed earlier today. Now tell me again why you and me should be in the same country? We need to go our separate ways: we to the Stars and you to the mud of multiculturalism’s “It takes a Village”.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

        It’s only a matter of time before your Star Crossed Luver, Julian Curtis Lee, the semen saver, slides back ’round to this blog and shuttles you off to outer space as you wish. Failing that you’re free to leave early if the Pied Piper Michael reappears and lures you back behind his woodshed again. You never did finish your skin flute lesson from him, no? Too ashamed to tell us what really, happened?

        We’re entirely willing to let you go, janOs; remember how often you’ve been banned; it’s you who cannot resist us.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 1:40 am #

          Your Gay Porn doesn’t defeat my arguments punk. But Leftists always refuse to argue preferring slander and throwing bags of urine.

          • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 2:01 am #

            You defeat your own arguments. Silly man.

  71. Pucker October 23, 2013 at 11:31 pm #

    [Meanwhile in "The Camps"]

    Pucker: “Hey, where did Fred go?”

    “Fred went with the others to go take a shower,”

    Pucker: “What are you doing Bill?”

    Bill: “I’m preparing to build my vegetable garden so I’ll survive.”

    Pucker: “And what are you doing Sam?”‘

    Sam: “I’m building my boat so that I’ll survive.”

    Pucker: “And what you doing John?

    John: ‘I’m writing fictitious books about how we’re all gonna die. Or at least the vast majority of us.”

    “And what are you doing Pucker?”

    Pucker: “Well, I’m not sure. I’m starting to worry a lot. I’m thinking about maybe getting some money together to try to bribe the guards. Maybe that’ll work. I mean…the only thing that they seem to care about is money. But maybe I’m just being paranoid. Maybe it’s all good, as they say?”

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

      Have you read Raspail’s “Camp of the Saints”? Europe is overwhelmed by rusty old oil tankers full of Hindu untouchables. The boat people from Africa are just the beginning. Jean Raspail went down to the beach one morning for a walk and he “saw” them in his mind’s eye. A Prophet in other words.

  72. Q. Shtik October 23, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    “[Your] just too fukin’ stupid to recognize your own bullshit.” – UFIA

    “YOU by yourself must explain why it is so, without invoking a bunch of nonsense that is orthogonal to the topic at hand; nevertheless, I already know [your] too indoctrinated…” – UFIA
    ==============

    When you call someone stupid it is highly recommended you go over your own writing with a fine-toothed comb.

    As to explaining why one might label you a liberal I offer as exhibit A the tendency toward high-flown language and use of words such as “orthogonal.”

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 23, 2013 at 11:58 pm #

      Not good enough, as usual, Q. But that shtik in your ass regarding a high-flown false sense of superiority while criticising one’s ordinary mistakes gives us plenty of entertainment.Or at least you some entertainment.

  73. Q. Shtik October 24, 2013 at 12:36 am #

    “…a high-flown false sense of superiority while criticising [one’s] ordinary mistakes gives us plenty of entertainment.
    ============

    I’m glad [your] enjoying it.

    BTW, “one’s” is at a minimum superfluous if not, in fact, incorrect since I was talking about your mistakes not my own…as in “one’s own.”

    All that aside, both you and Dog definitely come across as liberals. A sure sign is: a liberal detests being identified as a liberal… detests being pigeon-holed.

    A sign of an ultra liberal (not that I am accusing either you or Dog of this) is to be so far left that the NY Times appears to be a right-wing rag.

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 12:54 am #

      A righteous display of circular logic, Q. And a wonderful example of invoking nonsense orthogonal to the topic at hand.I never claimed to detest being labelled a liberal, just that it was unsubstantiated.

      You’re insinuating that I’m a liberal without directly exemplifying it. Amazing. This and typos are all you have. Carry on ya crusty-dicked old fart.

      • Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 1:10 am #

        @ UFIA

        This particular blog population aren’t comfortable until they assign a tag, an ID of sorts, to other posters.
        They appear to need that for a sense of security it would seem.
        For the life of me; I can’t understand why conversations/replies cannot stand on their own merit without all the naming.
        This is a very cliquish group, not accepting of other.
        And the self-identified racists seem well integrated and accepted.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 1:33 am #

          So you’re not a liberal either, eh? How many times Arn, (vote for Obama) how many times?

          • Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 1:39 am #

            Zero. I don’t vote.

          • Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 9:22 am #

            How does that fit all of your preconceived bullshit?
            You are such a maroon…

        • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 1:59 am #

          Yes, Arn. And for months, years apparently, 4 idiots in particular constantly provoked these types of exchanges then complained to JHK about Trolling. JHK wiped out the lot not long ago. They returned. Even the better focused and interested collapse researchers get drawn in to the bickering from time to time.

          A few guys and gals are worth checking in for; they’ve expanded my understanding of these issues substantially, but the rest of the discourse is recycled bullshit. Bookmark the sites you find helpful. Good luck!

          -UFIA

          • Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 2:04 am #

            Ian Welsh and Juan Cole’s (Informed Comment) have a minimum of trolls/socks because he moderates every comment.
            The entertainment value here is, erm, interesting?
            But mostly boring.

          • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:46 am #

            Well said.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 4:22 am #

            Liberals are boring and want to create a boring world in their own image with everyone the same. This endeavor combines the Labors of Hercules with the Proscrustean Bed. Of course Whites are the Devil in this Picture and are basically beyond redemption. Only they, the few, the proud, the SAVED are worthy of living with the Sacred Blacks in the new creation.

          • Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 4:57 am #

            This endeavor combines the Labors of Hercules with the Proscrustean Bed. Of course Whites are the Devil in this Picture and are basically beyond redemption.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~
            This drivel further convinces me, the gray matter between your ears has been mis-identified as a brain.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 1:35 am #

      The very essence of liberalism is movement or change. So to call them a “liberal” in an insult since it stops the movement towards Communism and the Universal “Tan Man” whose statue adorns the United Nations.

    • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:49 pm #

      Crimes Of The Times / Blog….enjoy!

  74. Reagan October 24, 2013 at 7:03 am #

    Pretty sad that Mr. Kunstler has to have his own monthly cycle as women do and bash men, in particular, caucasions with his ‘cracker’ comments. I expect this out of racists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Also interesting is that he bashes the Southerners and their lifestyle yet he espouses almost all-things Democrat. In case he has forgotten history, it was the Republicans who banished slavery, while it was the Southern Democrats who fought to keep it. It was the Republican Party which was founded in the year of 1854 as the “anti-slavery party” – this was the party that brought in President Abraham Lincoln and his Emancipation Proclamation which was responsible for freeing slaves in Union states. It was the Democrat Party at that time that fought the Emancipation Proclamation ito keep African Americans in slavery.

    Public records which can be found in the Library of Congress that show it was members of the Republican Party who amended the Constitution with the 13th Amendment that officially freed the slaves, the 14th Amendment which gave them citizenship, and the 15th Amendment which granted them the right to vote. In fact, it was Republicans who passed the Civil Rights laws of the 1860s – including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 – and we have stood for civil rights ever since. The majority of Democrats fought every single passage of every single Civil Rights law dating back to the 1860s all the way through the 1960s.

    Most on this blog tend to hate the Republicans, and they are not perfect by any means. The Tea Party is not a party, but citizens who are sick and tired of the lies of both parties, tired of socialist-style taxation, tired of having our manufacturing and jobs shipped out to other countries, and tired of seeing both parties twist and turn the Constitution on its head to suit their own purposes.

    Personally, the country is essentially lost, and much of what Mr. Kunstler says is correct about the slothful and obese people — but of all races — the fake money system/shadow banking system, and so on. But the Democrats and mainstream Republicans want to keep the gravy train rolling with easy money/digital dollars, while a few Tea Party folks try to bring some restraint but get ridiculed every step of the way.

  75. Arn Varnold October 24, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    Pretty sad that Mr. Kunstler has to have his own monthly cycle as women do and bash men, in particular, caucasions with his ‘cracker’ comments. I expect this out of racists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Also interesting is that he bashes the Southerners and their lifestyle yet he espouses almost all-things Democrat. In case he has forgotten history, it was the Republicans who banished slavery, while it was the Southern Democrats who fought to keep it. It was the Republican Party which was founded in the year of 1854 as the “anti-slavery party” – this was the party that brought in President Abraham Lincoln and his Emancipation Proclamation which was responsible for freeing slaves in Union states. It was the Democrat Party at that time that fought the Emancipation Proclamation ito keep African Americans in slavery.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You’d do well to realize the republican of today is not the one you long for; they died when Reagan came to the presidency.
    I was a Tom McCall republican until the betrayal.
    You’re a dinosaur or just stupid, which may well be one and the same.

  76. nsa October 24, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    Our political department here in Langley has researched the question of Republican Party longevity, concluding it is necessary to keep the sclerotic GOP brand limping along in order to maintain the fiction of a “two party system”. The study indicates Kunstler is correct. California is the model for the future….a large state where no republican holds a statewide office. The demographics of CA closely resemble the demographics of the USA circa 2020. To put it crudely, the majority coalition hates whitey and is now unbreakable …..Mexicans, Afros, all other minorities, Fags, Single Women, Dope Smokers, Media Elites, Entertainment Industry, Limo Libs, Lefty Libs, Closet Commies, Large Corps, Contractor leeches, etc etc etc. What is the GOP brand now? Essentially, a few senior drunks down at the VFW and the pathetic Sky God Christians. If we hadn’t rigged the voting machines in 2012, the mormon bishop Romney would only have collected just 35% of the popular vote and only the 6 electorals from utah. RIP GOP………..

  77. beantownbill. October 24, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    And we were doing so well. Now it is back to the bickering. The primary issue is that we DO have issues. All we are doing here is missing the point: That many problems must be worked on NOW. Political and philosophical differences are minor considerations. The universe doesn’t care who’s a tea partier, repub or democrat. Really. Reality is not concerned who is the most powerful political bloc. Communism and democracy don’t mean anything in the most important facets of life.

    What IS most important are the consequences of our success as a species. Nature ultimately defines species success by the magnitude of their populations. Humans have become way too successful for planet Earth. Too many people for the current level of our resource availability. Too much disregard for the environment. These have major consequences, and we better learn to work together to address them, or nature will and it won’t be pretty. So stop the bickering already.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      Don’t stop there – embrace the rest of Darwin’s observations. Individuals vary and therefore groups too. Race is such a group and it would be very strange if say Blacks were the same as Whites. So when we look closely what do we see? Big differences.

      And who will survive the die off? Those who are able to plan and then execute those plans. And who are strong enough to do what needs must be done. As Mr Kunstler said, Black nonsense will not be tolerated during the Long Emergency – and that’s assuming America stays together. How well will they be tolerated by us (or us by them) if this Mother falls?

      What do you think of the young teacher raped and slaughtered in Danvers yesterday? What would happen to such a young “student” perpetrator once the prison system no longer functions? Think he’d be let go with a warning? It is to laugh.

  78. Q. Shtik October 24, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    “If I rhyme with liberal attitudes it is because I go to them my own way not because I follow anyone.” – Dog
    ===============

    Liberals invariably believe they have come upon their liberal belief system all on their own. Two of my own three kids believe this about themselves. They do not realize that they are the product (as surely as identical cookies are the product of a cookie cutter) of an ultra-liberal, high Jewish population, bedroom community (namely Highland Park, NJ and its school system) attached to Rutgers University which itself is quite deserving of the hyperbolic and mostly humorously intended description of “a bunch of pinko commie fags.”

    Do not take this as an attack on your person Dog, I actually like you despite your often expressed liberalism.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

      The buzz word now is “progressives”. Prog was onto something when he named himself thusly. But he did go to and then cite a Fascist site. One can approach Fascism from either the Left or the Right, we don’t care just so long as people come back to their roots.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      Of course, what’s not to like.

  79. Q. Shtik October 24, 2013 at 11:49 am #

    “Nature ultimately defines species success by the magnitude of their populations. Humans have become way too successful for planet Earth. Too many people for the current level of our resource availability. ” – Bean
    ===========

    ^An observation^ I agree with 100%.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 4:21 pm #

      Not quite right. A species which grows beyond its carrying capacity and causes its own extinction can hardly be considered a success.

      Long term resilience and an ability to survive change and adversity need to be considered and not a simple magnitude of numbers. It sounded good though. Like “Winston tastes good like a cigarette should or “Coke is the real thing sounds good. Emotionally it passes for logic but is not.

  80. Q. Shtik October 24, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    “Carry on ya crusty-dicked old fart.” – UFIA to Q.
    ===========

    This from the person who complained of Prog using ad hominems.

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

      Not good enough, again, dipshit. I argued against Frog’s hypocritical and privileged use of ad hominem as he lectured against its use by others, not against using insults entirely. Learn to comprehend what you read rather than just identifying simple misspellings as a robot.

      And you characterized yourself as a cheese dick with one of your recent melodramatic personal disclosures regarding a pending visit to the urologist and the need to be reamed. Keep tryin’, crusty.

      -UFIA

  81. Q. Shtik October 24, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    “The entertainment value here is, erm, interesting?
    But mostly boring.” – Arn V.
    ============

    Riiight. You’re bored stiff but you show up every week, read every word, and post frequently.

  82. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    JHK. I vow to no longer reduce myself to the types of exchanges I’ve fallen into recently.

    Thanks for allowing me the favor of visitation to this site.

    -UFIA

    • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

      You’ve made similar vows before. Yet you always return to your vomit.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

        I apologize especially to you, Janos Skorenzy. You’ve earned your position and respect on this site demonstrating utmost integrity and fair mindedness. Thanks for teaching.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

          Get moving creep. And don’t let the door hit you on your way out. And you don’t come back now, y’hear?

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

      Easier said than done. But when you fail pick yourself up and try again. Remember you are only one and only have your wits, integrity, intelligence and your innate sense of fair-dealing and yearning for justice to rely on. They have a body of professional manipulation techniques the CIA has paid out millions to develop over they years. It is human to fail and that’s ok. But stand up and roll that rock of Sisyphus yet again with a smile and a song.

      We are not here to embrace collapse like the evil ones but to fight it.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

        Ha-Ha! Right on, Dawgie.

        -UFIA

  83. beantownbill. October 24, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    To Janos,

    If we ever get to the stars, they’ll be enough room for all races. You can have your own planet and Blacks theirs.

    Re the Danvers shooting, nodoubtitis a horrible affair. The sentiment here is definitely against the shooter. He will be tried as an adult even though he’s14 or 15. We’ll have to see how this plays out during discovery and prosecution.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

      But he will then complain that certain points of light in his night sky are offensive and ruin his ability to live a life of white purity.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

        Your contempt for people who care about the White race is palpable – which means you don’t care at all.

        Thomas Sowell does. He’s a better friend to the White Race than most Liberals. He admits a Race war instigated by Black Hatred may be in offing.

        http://www.amren.com/news/2013/10/race-hustling-results-part-iii/

        • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

          Black hatred does exist for they like all other groups are mixed along a continuum between ignorance and enlightenment. They after all are human and can err like you and me.

          If a “Race war instigated by Black Hatred” is indeed in the offing perhaps you could explain why this might be so. I’m all ears.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

            Does hatred have to have a rational reason? Study the Wheel of Life diagram of Tibetan Buddhism. The inmost wheel is lust, anger, and greed. The Blacks envy us for what we have and what we are. We have more because we are more. As one Afrikaner farmer being forced of his land by Black squatters scratched into the wood before he left, “You bastards will be poor forever.” Word.

            Human, just like you and me? Much like a wolf is like a dog, dog.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

            Look at her picture: she was smart, good, sweet and kind. That’s why he killed her. She was just so much better than he could even dream of being.

            And if you don’t feel anything then you better look at yourself – something’s missing.

            http://www.amren.com/news/2013/10/boy-14-hid-out-in-high-school-before-slashing-teacher-24-to-death-with-box-cutter-stolen-from-art-class/

    • Janos Skorenzy October 24, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

      We wont get there unless we regain control over our own destiny. That means separating from Black savages – and those Whites who adore and pander to them.

      Noticed you didn’t respond to my comments on Darwin. Don’t blame you – they are irrefutable and what he himself believed.

    • Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

      If Barry had a lil brother, he d look a lot like the 14 year old. Indeed the 14 year olds mom was a ‘coal burner’.

  84. K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    “Historians who look back on these strange years of suspended consequence will marvel at how this empire of grift kept its wheels turning after its engine died.”

    Yes if the sands of time bury the evidence of dirty deeds and deceptions that kept a pack of rabid wolves lording it over the innocent doomed sheep that will be the case. On the other hands certain presidential libraries might be burned to the ground by angry pitchfork swinging mobs incensed over being played and they being the victors will write appropriate history.

    This assumes of course that historians will exist.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

      Anticipating being Q’d I point out it should be the other hand and not other hands.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

        Yes, you better watch out. You might get reamed. ;>)

  85. beantownbill. October 24, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Most interesting to me in the post O3 referred us to at Orlov’s site, was the result of our using plastic on us and the environment. To me, it seems Orlov extrapolates too far from available data, but I’m no expert. Like medical treatment, use of technology always results in side effects, but that doesn’t mean every side effect or groups of side effects will lead to our extinction. However, I don’t think I’ll look at plastic quite the same way again. Maybe Benjamin got bad advice about “plastics” in “The Graduate”.

    • K-Dog October 24, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

      Perhaps the portrayal of plastic directly leading to imminent demise is exaggerated when taken in isolation. But viewed as a symbol of cultural ignorance that makes us blind to the pain of ignoring the consequences of living in the age of limits which we now inhabit puts things in better perspective.

      It is a pea in the soup and beaches strewn with plastic are not without consequence. It certainly hints at a population out of control, unable and unwilling to consider future generations. A population choking to death on its own hubris. Like a sea lion choking to death on a plastic bag.

    • ozone October 24, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

      Well:

      “Here, then, is our future: chemical plants continue to churn out synthetic materials, most of these find their way into the environment and slowly break down, releasing their payload of toxins. As this happens, people and animals alike turn into obese, sexless blobs. First they find that they are unable to give birth to fertile male offspring. This is already happening: human sperm counts are dropping throughout the developed world. Next, they will be unable to give birth to normal male babies—ones without genital abnormalities. Next, they will be unable to produce male offspring at all, as has already happened to a number of marine species. Then they go extinct.

      Note that no disaster or accident is required in order for this scenario to unfold, just more business as usual. Every time you buy a bottle of shampoo or a bottle of water, or a sandwich that comes wrapped in plastic or sealed in a vinyl box, you help it unfold a little bit further. All it takes is for the petrochemical industry (which provides the feedstocks—oil and natural gas, mostly) and the chemical plants that process them into plastics, to continue functioning normally. We don’t know whether the amount of plastics, and associated toxins, now present in the environment, is already sufficient to bring about our eventual extinction.”
      -Doomitri Orlov

      I’m no expert either, but I’ll take an engineer’s penchant for exacting research over my own, and that looks to me to be (all by itself) a fairly nasty side effect of comforts and goodies that we’ve been taught are entirely ‘necessary’ by greedy, psychopathic shitheads who just want to sell some decidedly unhealthy crap. (The drug companies have taken up this routine with relish as well.) Did someone say accidental neutering? Whoever will we sue, now that the corporations own the SCOTUS along with everything else? There are certain ideas we have about some of our institutions that we’ve going to have to throw on the mouldering heap of dead and unrealized dreams if we should want some sort of continuation of the species. (The STARS?? Yeah, right. Better figure out what we’re going to do right here as society is falling to pieces all around us… in case nobody noticed.)

      • ozone October 24, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

        (Not to say I don’t get you guys’ points on this, just that this one aspect of modern civ. might be more dire than we’d like to think.)

      • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 10:51 am #

        I’ve a buddy who recently made fifty gallons.

        http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7040-how-turn-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

        These days he is trying to find some stainless steel screening from which to make Edison Cells out of mostly recycled materials but is having trouble as the suppliers he has contacted want a minimum order of a thousand bucks.

        I phoned him a few days ago and threatened to visit him next week. He is about thirty miles south of me. I don’t get out his way as often as I used to. I know he contributes to the energeticforum and when I see him I’ll find out what character he posts under.

  86. wayfarer October 24, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    Love or hate him, I have to read him. He makes me think. He gives me ideas. Thanks Jim!

  87. Pucker October 24, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    The behavior of Lying is an interesting phenomenon. I wonder if anyone has ever studied “Lying”?

    People lie to others and to themselves.

    People lie as a way of Denial.

    People create entire institutions whose chief purpose is basically to cook up a heaping helping of fragrant Lies.

    And when the Truth becomes obvious, they increase the volume of Lies. And when a bloke points to the obvious Elephant-in-the-Room, they lie some more and label him “nuts” in order to preserve the Lie.

  88. Pucker October 24, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    I suspect that the act of Lying would have a profound spiritual effect on a person’s Spirit?

    In the act of Lying, one would be repressing one kind of Spirit that is honest and true and giving form to a contorted Spirit that is a Lie.

  89. Pucker October 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    I’m not sure, but doesn’t modern society basically require us to “Compartmentalize”?

    In other words, aren’t we required to constantly Lie by putting on a particular mask in one set of circumstances, and then put on another mask in another set of circumstances, thereby creating an ugly, fractured, contorted Spirit like in Dante’s Inferno?

    A Spirit with multiple personalities would not be a healthy Spirit, right?

    Wouldn’t it be more healthy to start with the premise that one wants to have a certain healthy, honest Spirit and then adopt the mask and behavior and thinking most likely to elicit this healthy Spirit?

    If one compartmentalizes, then rather than being clever and deceiving others, one is really just cheating and deceiving oneself.

    • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 10:28 am #

      “If one compartmentalizes, then rather than being clever and deceiving others, one is really just cheating and deceiving oneself.”

      Bingo, Compartmentalization cheats oneself and leads to a most unhealthy spirit. Very bad Joss. It results in people being out of touch with who they really are. A spirit with multiple personalities is not a healthy spirit and destructive on lives they touch. Hard to trust somebody like that.

      I recall learning that childhood trauma can generate such types. Bad adjustments to bad situations.

      Will the real Pucker please stand up?

      I was through the University District yesterday and the College Inn is still there. My belief that it was not was because I had seen the outside of the building wrapped in scaffolding and plastic some time ago as it was being redone. It looks clean and spiffy now.

      You can sit down now, I did not mean anything by asking for the real Pucker. Just seemed clever.

      Dogs do not suffer from multiple personalties.

  90. progress4what October 24, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    “And we were doing so well. Now it is back to the bickering. The primary issue is that we DO have issues. All we are doing here is missing the point: That many problems must be worked on NOW. Political and philosophical differences are minor considerations. The universe doesn’t care who’s a tea partier, repub or democrat. Really. ”
    ….bill of Boston….

    Concur, Bill. Although I’m not that sure that the success of humans as a species is all that important to the Universe, either.

    =================

    Speaking of bickering, though? I believe I may have erred in calling UFIA a “liberal.” He took umbrage, serious umbrage – and launched into a long rant where he called me, among other nefarious things, “Frog,” repeatedly.

    ??? I don’t understand.

    But, yeah, there are more important questions.
    Are there more important answers?

    • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 1:50 am #

      Speaking of bickering, though? I believe I may have erred in calling UFIA a “liberal.” He took umbrage, serious umbrage – and launched into a long rant where he called me, among other nefarious things, “Frog,” repeatedly.

      ??? I don’t understand.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~
      It’s just possible UFIA’s umbrage is at being tagged, boxed, typo’d, and categorized.
      Naming does that. Naming is a form of death. Once one names something, that one never sees again. Naming is fixing and fixing is the death of listening and understanding.

      • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 11:27 am #

        A symbol is never the thing it describes.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 25, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

        You have no problem “naming” when you call half of America “racists” – a word you can’t even define.

        • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

          I have never done that. You spew a lot of shit. Name the place and time I have ever called “half of America “racists”. Link to it and post it here. I defy you to do so.

          • K-Dog October 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

            Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but I challenge all good dogs to confront you, defy you, and shut YOU down.

            Bring it asshole.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 25, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

            That post was for Arn who did just that. Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will – and not Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men.

          • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

            That post was for Arn who did just that. Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will – and not Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~
            Your not mistaken; you are a liar. Fuck you!

          • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 10:22 pm #

            And I would further challenge you to provide a link to me ever saying that anywhere.

  91. progress4what October 24, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    I spent yesterday on a B-17 and a B-24. And I spent a lot of time watching those amazing aircraft taking off and landing at a (relatively) small airport in the north Georgia mountains. http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=266598

    Men with humongous, cast-iron testicles won World War II.
    These same sorts of men fought against the Allies in WWII.
    This tends to be overlooked.

    —————————-

    Some of the most brave (and least claustrophobic!) men in WWII
    were ball turrent gunners in B-17′s and B-24′s. While researching these men on YouTube, I came upon an unrelated video, circa 1970.,

    Weren’t you on a DD in the early 70′s, BRH?
    Is that you singing @ minute 10:30?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr4_RC4oZ4s

    • Janos Skorenzy October 25, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

      The sadness of the ball turret gunner was proverbial. Many of them became alcoholics afterwards.

  92. Pucker October 24, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    I read somewhere that one characteristic of an Authoritarian Personality is the tendency to “compartmentalize”.

    By requiring people to compartmentalize, i.e., to wear different “masks” in different situations, is society breeding large number of psychopath Authoritarians?

    Thank you.

  93. Pucker October 24, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    [Meanwhile at the Halloween "Skull & Bulls" party at Yale University]

    “O.K. Pledges, you’re gonna be the future Movers & Shakers of the World. Now don’t be put off with some of our fraternity’s seemingly bizarre rituals. The ritual human sacrifices, the blood curdling screams, and the masturbating in coffins while recounting one’s teenage sexual experiences are not what it looks like. It’s just healthy fun and games. It’s all just about drinking beer. It’s not what it looks like. Now I need a volunteer to go out and steal car license plates that contain a particular sequence of numbers. Any volunteers?”

  94. Pucker October 25, 2013 at 1:13 am #

    [Next Monday morning at the New Haven, Connecticut Department of Motor Vehicles]

    “Uh…yeah…I’ve been waiting in line for 45 minutes. I need to apply for a new license plate. Some asshole stole my license plate again. This is the second time this month. Can I get a new license plate number? It must be my number?”

    “Well, if you want to get a new license plate number, you’ll have to put in a request for a personalized license plate. But it’ll cost you 10 times as much, and you’ll have to wait 4 weeks for the prisoners to make a new license plate. How about the license plate that reads: “Sex Man”? It’s available.”

  95. progress4what October 25, 2013 at 8:58 am #

    “It’s just possible UFIA’s umbrage is at being tagged, boxed, typo’d, and categorized.” ,,,,,arn…..

    Yeah – I keep hearing that. One of the “janets” said it a lot. It didn’t make sense then, either. Because ideas don’t float in a vacuum.

    And on CFN, where there are no identifiers other than pseudonyms, it’s only natural to categorize ideas AND posters.

    • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 9:35 am #

      Yeah – I keep hearing that. One of the “janets” said it a lot. It didn’t make sense then, either. Because ideas don’t float in a vacuum.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~
      A vacuum? You call this a vacuum? Are you stupid?
      Jaysus man(?) you don’t even attribute the rest of what was said!
      You pick and choose your own Procrustes bed upon which to lie.
      Fuckin A, JHK has my profound sympathies.
      Now I understand why Janos has so much sway here; it’s a disgusting predicament you find yourself’s involved. A racist fuck ruling the dialogue.
      If I were JHK, I would shut this site down due to blatant ignorance, stupidity, and a gross lack of critical thinking..

      • Janos Skorenzy October 25, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

        Well remember Arn, no people are more racist than the Jews, in both the positive sense of the word which is loving their own people, and the negative sense of hating all others. And furthermore, some Jews are beginning to reevaluate their all out attack on White Western Man. Who will shield them if we are gone? They’ve proven that that they can take us down (as in South Africa) but should they for their own well being? The abstract disinterested concept of right and wrong doesn’t really matter so much for them whereas it’s everything for the Liberal descendants of Puritanism.

        Thank you for being willing to quote the dictionary definition of racism. But that’s just the beginning of the conversation, not the end. You weren’t willing to even begin analyzing the simple definition as it applies to real life much less go beyond it. If you care to reconsider then answer now: If Blacks can sprint better than Whites, is it racist to notice that? Or is the simple fact of them being able to do so racist? Now again this is an average. The best Blacks are faster than the best Whites. The average Blacks is faster than the average White and so on.

        • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

          For me, it’s mostly that I refuse to engage a racist asshole, thus creating a platform for the furtherance of hate filled and ignorant dialogue by said asshole.
          I can’t be more clear than that, got it?

  96. progress4what October 25, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    Anyway, I’m an uberliberal on certain issues. For example, I’m in favor of unrestricted access to publicly funded birth control and to abortion through the first trimester.

    On the other hand, I’m an extreme conservative on immigration. On a world in peril due to human population growth there is NOTHING good about immigration into the United States.

    So, these two ideas, one extremely liberal and one extremely conservative, can be justifiably “tagged, boxed, typo’d, and categorized,” as arn would put it.

    And that tag, box, typology, and category is

    COMMON SENSE.

    • Arn Varnold October 25, 2013 at 9:56 am #

      Common sense? You have no fucking idea!

  97. ozone October 25, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    ” Sentient observers of the current scene are clearly frustrated by the remarkable homeostasis that seems to rule the scene, these horse-latitudes of history where the air is still and nothing moves and the mind is exhausted by watchful waiting. Things will get lively, soon enough, so enjoy the holiday quarter of the year which is so soon upon us. Gorge on candy corn. When you recover from that, roast a turkey. Then make a nice figgy pudding. Then pop some bubbly and salute your loved ones. Then gird your loins for the new age of consequence.” -JHK

    Probably more anxiety than frustration is being generated by the magical levitation act that’s going on. But things are bound to get REALLY lively once this particular shoe drops:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36638.htm

    A snippet:
    “Recall from the historical list that opened this post that governments like to pick on members of society who 1) have lots of money and 2) have lots of enemies or can easily be framed for crimes. This time around it will be “the rich” who are living well at the expense of the rest of us. The trick will be to define “rich” down far enough to make possible the confiscation of middle-class IRAs and 401(K)s, since that’s where the real money is.”

    That last sentence is the money quote (ha), but as someone pointed out, how much real value is IN those instruments? I suppose it no longer matters as long as the bytes that represent numbers are duly transferred. He then mentions that coming for actual hard assets might be a bit more problematic. (Brass and lead are precious metals too.)

    Then too, we should consider how they can stealthily (or even openly, via just the right framing) pass a law/executive order to proceed with the confiscation. That will be particularly interesting.

    Yes, it’s “sustaining the unsustainable” by theft, but why not? The bag of tricks is just about empty… it’s this or war… or maybe BOTH at once (for the good of the country, don’cha know).

  98. progress4what October 25, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    “Common sense? You have no fucking idea!”
    .,…ARN BICKERS….

    Looks like a fact-free insult to me. Or else arn wants to “bicker.”

  99. volodya October 25, 2013 at 11:18 am #

    There’s a lot that points to the civilizational senility of the West and to the cretinism of Western elites.

    Re civilizational senility: intellectual ossification and, as a consequence, unquestioning acceptance. Of what? Acceptance of our circumstances and of how we got to this pass. Acceptance of what our elites say is good for us and, if it’s not good for us, then acceptance that it’s necessary and unavoidable.

    What they really mean is, acceptance of what is increasingly good for elites and bad for us. It’s necessary, it’s the American Way. It’s unavoidable, you can’t tax job creators.

    Just think about one commenter on this site yelling at us to quit belly-achin’. It is what it is, it was inevitable, accept your fate, accept your ruin, accept elite enrichment, accept your impoverishment, learn to take it on the chin, to get up, to take it on the chin again, to get up, to take it on the chin again.

    I ask you, where is it written that it’s yours to routinely get decked? And that it’s theirs to beat you down and to pocket what’s yours?

    Never mind whether any of this was actually avoidable or necessary, whether the elites that foisted this system of gated communities for them and degradation for us, should be subject to redress or legal consequence. These questions are not allowed. Economic ruin? Widespread impoverishment? What’s your problem, it’s the free market, it’s the American Way. What are you some kinda hippy degenerate? Helping yourself to the justly earned wealth of others?

    Elites would be appalled at such talk. “Class warfare” they would shriek accusingly. Yeah, sure, blow me.

    Re cretinism: just consider the US Fed and Treasury. All I saw out of Washington circa 2008 and after was desperation to prop up the farcical assemblage of frauds we call capital markets.

    Did anyone see any re-thinks of generally accepted doctrine before, during or after? I didn’t. That is, aside from Greenspan’s grudging admission in front of a congressional panel, that his idea of how things ought to work is fundamentally screwed.

    To be fair, it wasn’t just Greenspan touting nonsense as science. There were many others. But were these bona fide beliefs? I don’t know. Maybe this supposed intellectual edifice was merely an ornate justification for robbery on a grand scale. But more of an implicit conspiracy than explicit. An unstated yet widely accepted understanding among the monied elite and its hangers of likely results.

    Just imagine, but for Fed and Treasury action, Wall Street might have gone tits-up in history’s greatest purge of financial malefactors.

    The downside? Wall Street would have taken down swathes of the economy down the shitter with it.

    The up-side? Maybe a realization, like after the Great Depression, that work and thrift are the basis for a functioning economy. Maybe no more of the brain-dead acceptance of self serving crap touted by the investment industry

    Maybe, if the Fed and Treasury hadn’t acted to buy time, there might already have been an economic re-build in progress. This absurd and corrupt system works for nobody. At the end of the day, not even the elites that created it.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 25, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

      We owe the Banks a national debt for money they created out of nothing – in imitation of God who alone can create like this. Why not just write them a check for the amount and let them worry about finding someone to cash it. They’d prefer we pay it off with labor and resources – basically giving up out Country and selling our children into slavery. But I think the check is a better idea. The circle is complete: they can create the money needed to cash their own check.

  100. volodya October 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    The present system of federalism no longer works, that much is obvious. It’s a dead end. There’s a bunch of reasons. One reason it doesn’t work is because contending elites from north and south of the Mason Dixon line don’t want it to. Each wants to run its own sandbox. Re-enact the Civil War? It could happen.

    There’s another possible option besides breaking up the USA into smaller countries by means of armed conflict or otherwise. And that’s a re-think of the governing structures. Maybe a parliamentary system with ONE legislature might be better than the present system of constitutionally mandated logjams.

    The present system of checks and balances provides opportunities for sowers of regional discord, and people with no interest in governing, to crank up tension.

    In this parliamentary system the formerly separate executive branch would now be part of the legislature, cabinet secretaries would be drawn from elected members of parliament. And, importantly, you would do away with the Senate ie one additional institutional roadblock to getting things done and one additional avenue for fomenting division.

    There’s possible disadvantages to a parliamentary system ie unstable de-facto or formal coalition governments if no party has a numerical majority of elected members. You might replace one set of logjams with a system of frequent elections as coalitions fall apart. You could still have a small disruptive minority like the Tea Party winning seats, denying one of the bigger parties a governing majority.

    But let’s say you stay with a two party system. The House of Representatives has 435 members and a majority consists of 218 of those members. And so assume that Obama’s party were to win an absolute majority of members in this parliament. Obama, as Prime Minister, would enact legislation by means of votes from his party’s majority.

    If the Republicans really are the minority party then this would be reflected in the number of Rebublicans elected to parliament. If one party does not win an absolute majority of seats, there’s still various ways of governing. If you still have Tea Party members of parliament, as a third party, messing things up, they can be outvoted.

    My point is that there’s possible alternatives. You have a chance of moving forward and getting things done.

  101. Panic October 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    I have been reading / skimming the comments here, with the fair share of male anti bonding [tribal warfare] snipes included.

    In any case, when does the USA financial collapse happen?
    JHK? Any facts appearing in yr crystal ball?

    Anyone w any answer? Hazard a guess?

  102. Q. Shtik October 25, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    “In any case, when does the USA financial collapse happen? …. Anyone w any answer? – Panic
    ===========

    January 16, 2014 @ 2:16pm

  103. Pucker October 25, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    I was surprised to hear that young people today masturbate through the Internet. Apparently, they use web cams and other technological devices to facilitate the process.

    It sounds so debase. My initial reaction was “Jeez…either go out and get the real thing, or if that’s too much trouble or you’re in a hurry, then grab a pillow!”

    The idea of spending money to acquire these gadgets, download the software, etc. in order wack off seems so garish and twisted. Perhaps, because of the Internet, they’ve lost the ability to interact with real people? Or they have developed a perverse sense of Reality, and think that Virtual Reality is Reality. Disturbing….

  104. Pucker October 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    I suppose that one disturbing effect of the Internet is the blurring of the Real and the Unreal.

    If so, then to the Internet generation, then there may not be any psychic difference between the deaths of Real people and the deaths of virtual people.

    We could be creating a Sick Society.

  105. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    This Political Correctness stuff has gotten all out-of-control.

    i went into the local shopping mall the other day to buy some stockings for my wife.

    The black sales girl got all upset when I asked where I could find some “panty hose.”

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 2:08 am #

      The black sales girl got all upset.

      More hate filled crapola!!

      Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but I challenge all good dogs to confront you, defy you, and shut YOU down.

      • Arn Varnold October 26, 2013 at 3:21 am #

        Why not put that energy into getting rid of Vlad?
        This blogs tolerance of that waste of human flesh is, quite frankly, beyond my comprehension.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

          You hate me because you fear me. You know that I would best you in a debate. In other words, deep down you know your ideas are crap and that Blacks are different to Whites and by own values, inferior.

          • Arn Varnold October 26, 2013 at 8:54 pm #

            See, there you go again. You are wrong (as usual).
            I don’t hate you; how could I, I don’t even know you.
            I despise you and every thing you are alleged to stand for. You aren’t even a real persona; just an actor trying hard to create chaos and stir the pot of controversy. You are one sick puppy (my apologies to puppies).
            You are a despicable bag of flesh parading as a human.
            Crawl back into the cesspool from which you oozed.

  106. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    The purpose of that joke was to mock all of your racism.

  107. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 3:05 am #

    That’s all you blokes talk about on this website: Black this, and white that, and shit this, and shit that, race this, and race that…..Stick your finger in your anus this, and stick your finger in your anus that…..

  108. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 3:14 am #

    “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

    So some of you blokes masturbate through the Internet?

    That’s not psychologically healthy……

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:20 am #

      Explain the connection asshole. Explain it to all. You quote me because I type this.

      “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

      and then you type this:

      “So some of you blokes masturbate through the Internet?”

      Obviously you want to portray me as some kind of pervert. I’ll not take the bait. If I were a pervert tell the world how YOU would know about it. How would you know even know who I am so that you could make such an accusation in the first place.

      You want to say I’m a pervert. I deny it. I’m a healthy normal guy who’s got nothing to hide. So tell the world how you would know otherwise.

      Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but the problem is asshole I’ve nothing to hide.

  109. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 3:31 am #

    It’s probably o.k. to masturbate in a traditional way with your hand or a pillow, etc. every now-and-then. Don’t over do it.

    But don’t masturbate with some stranger through a webcam.

    Jeez…..

    That’s not real.

    One benefit of traditional masturbation is that at least one isn’t affecting the female. But with masturbation through the Internet and some webcam you get the worst of both worlds: It’s not real and it also negatively affects the other person. It gives rise to perversion.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:21 am #

      Explain the connection asshole. Explain it to all. You quote me because I type this.

      “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

      and then you type this:

      “So some of you blokes masturbate through the Internet?”

      Obviously you want to portray me as some kind of pervert. I’ll not take the bait. If I were a pervert tell the world how YOU would know about it. How would you know even know who I am so that you could make such an accusation in the first place.

      You want to say I’m a pervert. I deny it. I’m a healthy normal guy who’s got nothing to hide. So tell the world how you would know otherwise.

      Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but the problem is asshole I’ve nothing to hide.

  110. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 3:48 am #

    How common is “cybersex” now in the U.S.?

    You wouldn’t want children doing that. It’d turn some children eventually into psychopaths.

    They’ll start to compartmentalize it. They’ll appear like “normal” people, but then when they get a private moment, they’ll log onto the computer to look at their secret stash of porn.

    I haven’t made any effort to search the Internet for porn, but I have a nervous hunch that there’s probably some very sick, violent porn that can be found on the internet. One could create a large cohort of psychopaths in the society.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:22 am #

      Explain the connection asshole. Explain it to all. You quote me because I type this.

      “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

      and then you type this:

      “So some of you blokes masturbate through the Internet?”

      Obviously you want to portray me as some kind of pervert. I’ll not take the bait. If I were a pervert tell the world how YOU would know about it. How would you know even know who I am so that you could make such an accusation in the first place.

      You want to say I’m a pervert. I deny it. I’m a healthy normal guy who’s got nothing to hide. So tell the world how you would know otherwise.

      Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but the problem is asshole I’ve nothing to hide.

  111. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 4:23 am #

    I am getting a nervous feeling that in the U.S. now perhaps the Ethics of society is not necessarily an Ethics formed of reasoned principles based upon rational precepts based upon Reality, but rather maybe just a total lack of any kind of moral boundaries whatsoever?

    Anything goes, so to speak…..Moral debasement….

    Maybe this is why there’s so much Fraud now?

    One tries to criticize child pornography and he/she is attacked on the basis that he/she is wrong to make people feel guilty.

    Jeez…..

    Maybe the Tea Partiers are our only hope?

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:23 am #

      Explain the connection asshole. Explain it to all. You quote me because I type this.

      “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

      and then you type this:

      “So some of you blokes masturbate through the Internet?”

      Obviously you want to portray me as some kind of pervert. I’ll not take the bait. If I were a pervert tell the world how YOU would know about it. How would you know even know who I am so that you could make such an accusation in the first place.

      You want to say I’m a pervert. I deny it. I’m a healthy normal guy who’s got nothing to hide. So tell the world how you would know otherwise.

      Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date but the problem is asshole I’ve nothing to hide.

  112. michigan_native October 26, 2013 at 7:15 am #

    The old south will attempt to re-enact the Civil War. For some reason, the new rules stated we can’t post links to youtube videos. That kinda bummed me out. I always remember the words of this sage when I think of the inbreds. Roger Miller’s “you can’t roller skate in a buffalo herd”. I am so glad he warned me, I had this bizarre desire to do that some time






  113. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    K-Dog, What did you mean when you wrote: ““Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…””?

    I reasonably inferred that you must have meant that I might have been trying to make some people feel guilty for engaging in Cybersex.

    If you don’t engage in Cybersex, that’s great! I was starting to worry that this website is inhabited by racists and perverts.

    I think that JHK made the point that millennials may be “lobotomized” by cellphones and cybersex, and, therefore, won’t protest the theft of their futures.

    By the way, what is a “K-Dog”? Does it refer to “Killer-Dog”? Like a “dang good, dang tasty Hot Dog? I haven’t had a tasty weiner in a while. Thanks.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

      Reasonable questions deserve reasonable answers. I’m going to address this comment in full detail later. I am not going to do so in the entirety I’d like to now because it is Saturday and Ms. Dog and I have some things to do. I’ll return with part 2 later. Part 2 will address:

      “Your purpose here is to make the rest of us feel unclean in your presence hoping we go away. You have been successful to date…”

      I’m seeing a response that could easily exceed five hundred words there. Not that it will when I do, but it could.

      I’ll address this part now.

      “I reasonably inferred that you must have meant that I might have been trying to make some people feel guilty for engaging in Cybersex.”

      That was not a reasonable inference and anyone checking upstream will see that you brought up cybersex. I did not; and you only brought it up after I had already made my critical comment to you. There is some serious temporal dissonance in your ‘reasonable’ inference.

      That you would feel good about me not engaging in cybersex is something I really don’t care about. The true fact is I’ve better things to do with my time if anyone cares to know but I really don’t care if you care. What you were doing is barking up the wrong tree and trying to see if any mud would stick to the wall.

      JHK’s text is:

      “but it seems they have been successfully lobotomized with cell phones — when the endorphin hits lag between text messages, they can watch sitcoms, or porn.”

      JHK does not mention cybersex. You do. JHK mentions porn and he does it in conjunction with sitcoms. What JHK is actually doing is saying that young people move from one sensual rush or distraction to another. JHK is saying that the majority do not have a brain cell devoted to reality, hard questions, or things of any consequence. The beauty of JHK’s writing is that he can say so much with so little. What JHK is not saying in his phrase is that they have been inculcated with false and empty values by old farts. To be young after all is to conform, fit in, and do what is expected.

      Always needing an endorphin rush the young move from sitcom to porn to cell phone and back again. At some point the responsibility certainly becomes theirs but why are they this way in the first place? Who made them this way?

      Who showed the young that all life is supposed to be is one endorphin rush after another? Society? The older generation? Are they the product of broken families and as so had to raise themselves without the wisdom or guidance necessary to do a good job?

      I shall return with part two later.

      • Arn Varnold October 26, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

        K-Dog, Pucker is another phony like Vlad. He claims to live in Asia and thus, because he’s white he has to eat shit. I’m over a decade in Asia and us whites are discriminated against, but in a very positive way. But if Pucker is in Japan, then yes, we are considered barbarians by the Japanese. This place is a zoo, and JHK has no idea how to deal with the crazies.
        But what is most disturbing is the fact that all but 2 or 3 posters defer to Vlad and his ilk.
        I got chastised for going after Pucker at the very first because I recognized him for what he is.
        I mean, just look at his posts. He’s an attention whore like vlad.
        Posting inane nothings…

        • Janos Skorenzy October 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

          As I said, you are filled with hatred. I’m sure I’m hardly your only target since the Word doesn’t correspond with your little theories very well. Here’s a good article on the cooperative relationship between the Corporate Right and the Anti Fas.

          http://alternativeright.com/blog/category/the-dobermans-of-political-correctness

        • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

          You are on the right track and basically have it right. A year ago JHK had a status counter on his home page. I have an identical one on my own web page just like what he used to have. In those bad old days much more information was available as to who was really who and who even existed as a unique carbon based life form and who did not. Pucker has been around a long time as I have I, though I’ve disappeared here and there.

          It is most disturbing that all but 2 or 3 posters defer to Vlad and his ilk. As I said, to date they have been highly successful. Vlad/Radu/Janos poses himself as a hate filled racist and Pucker pretends to be an inane idiot. Both of whom would tend to drive a normal well balanced soul away. When the status counter existed JHK had a notable article in which he observed that his readership seemed to consist of a large number of government employees who spent altogether too much time using government computers to read comments at Clusterfuck Nation when they should be doing the nations work. Push the envelope hard enough as I have and you might be sending a text message to a family member and then suddenly a hyperlink to an article about Jon Corzine the former governor of New Jersey might pop into the center of your message out of thin air.

          I’m going out on a limb here but maybe some of those government computers have special hardware and software built into them and those protections on government surveillance that Mr. Obama talks about may need a bit of work. We don’t want government employees doing things they are not supposed to be doing now do we.

          Recall one of the inane things Pucker said last week or the week before.

          “As long as I have a job where I can wear mirrored sunglasses and carry a gun I don’t care what I do.”

          I’ve always had an exceptional memory.

          Of course he might have been doing a fake ball throw to see if I’d start running and then trip over my front paws when I realized I’d been punked. He likes to amuse himself.

          Who knows?

      • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

        Part two. Upon reflection I’m opting for the short version.

        The original comment by Pucker:

        This Political Correctness stuff has gotten all out-of-control.

        i went into the local shopping mall the other day to buy some stockings for my wife.

        The black sales girl got all upset when I asked where I could find some “panty hose.”

        There is no reason the unknown sales girl had to be identified as black. Make no mistake this is not an innocent comment and the sales girl should not be getting upset because a man needs some panty hose. The customer is always right and men do run errands for wives. Ms. Dog is always trying to make me do a few and someday she might even succeed.

        That last part is a joke and panty hose also has some strange uses such as being used as a sieve when canning fruit jam.

        That last part is not a joke. Crushed CrabApple, Grape Juice, stuff like that.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

      The K may mean Kosher as in a Kosher Hot Dog or perhaps Kosher in the sense of being a tamed Gentile who does the will of his masters. Maybe not – I think he is capable of criticizing Israel. Many Gentiles are not on both the Left and the Right, especially the Right these days.

      But I agree: he’s Anti-White and thus a Racist. We need a new word for such White Uncle Toms.

      • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:24 pm #

        I remember telling you that it is the first letter in my given name over a year ago. Your superior genes must be suffering from a vitamin deficiency.

        Oh, and say? How do you know I’m white? I don’t recall ever saying so.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 27, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

          I never claimed to have a perfect memory unlike your superman self. And you are White – Blacks don’t do political correctness very well.

          I once expressed sympathy for a Black clerk who had to wear a huge name tag medallion around his neck. He hated me with a pathological hatred after that.

  114. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    I’m not a racist, or, at least, in good faith, I don’t believe that I am a racist. I live in Asia, so I have to eat huge piles of shit for being White, Popular hit singles on the propaganda charts week-after-week, month-after-month, year-after-year, include: “All foreigners are Evil”‘ “All Japanese are Evil”; and “They humiliated us 100 years ago, so we gotta get even now.”

    In any event, on balance, in the U.S., in my view, blacks as a whole, may be more racist than Whites. It’s a bit strange that people may be in denial about this. That Treyvon – Zimmerman charade was quite frankly bizarre. (By the way, whatever happened to the civil trial?) Maybe I’m wrong?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 26, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

      Remember, being a Racist is natural – loving your own people in other words. The East Asians are healthier than us. Is this not a good thing – as long as it doesn’t stray into mindless hatred? Hating those who persecute you is rational of course.

      Whites were once racist in both senses of the word. But they threw away both aspects – and then found themselves defenseless before Blacks who hadn’t.

  115. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    I don’t want to sound like a paranoid weirdo prude, but if JHK is even remotely correct that young Americans are “lobotomized” by iphones, and cybersex such that the won’t stand up to protest to defend their futures, then the absolute horror of this is simply mind-boggling!

    A society of males wacking off in front from their computers and webcams, performing some kind of subconscious, ritual literally expelling their spiritual energy and bodily essence into a faceless, unreal, electronic, Orwellian surveillance device, quite frankly, is Satanic!

    And that some people aren’t very, very concerned that young children with very impressionable minds might be viewing some very sick, violent pornography on the Internet is very troubling.

    You don’t want to live in such a sick society. I’m getting an imagine of a society that has overextended itself in all sorts of ways—too far gone…..

  116. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

    I read an article recently that said that in Japan many young Japanese people are frigid.

    They think that it may be related to all of the Cybersex in Japan.

    [Hiroshi to his Shrink]

    Hiroshi: “My wife won’t f..ck me. She’ll only f..ck her iPhone.”

  117. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

    It’s like those stories about the herds of whales that beach themselves inexplicably.

    Cybersex has made people seemingly very confused about their sexuality, and they can no longer subconsciously differentiate Virtual Reality from Reality.

    Sick…..

  118. michigan_native October 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Some asked when the US economy will tank, no later then by the end of 2014. As JHK said, when the Chinese finally tell us to go piss up a rope.

    They probably have a good idea that we will never repay all the debt they absorbed/growth they financed. In other words, we stole from them.

    Then we intervene militarily in oil exporting countries where they start to make sweetheart deals, rendering these deals null and void with the assassination and overthrow of governments or OPEC nations that so much as start to think about dumping the dollar.

    When the Chinese started to feast their eyes on Australia’s supply of uranium, the US responded by sending thousands of troops to that nation in an apparent “don’t even think about it” gesture.

    They could dump all of their dollar denominated assets, enter into long term barter arrangements with oil exporting countries, essentially locking the US out of the international oil trade and thus the 70% of energy we need to import. When that does in fact happen, its lights out for the former USA. Either that or the start of WWIII. Either outcome will not be desirable for the suddenly destitute people of the US.

  119. toktomi October 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    Used to be, James, – and I am from the old days – you actually gave a clusterfuck about what is happening and Clusterfuck Nation reflected that. It has been awhile.

    I actually had the thought this morning as I was awakening but still trying to avoid cognizance that it really is all pointless. How in the hell are my descendents going to devolve to the stone age? There is nothing of the stone age earth bounties left to sustain them even if they could figure out the retro technologies. But this stupid fucking survival gene just keeps kicking my ass.

    So, James, say something that I can’t just skim though or totally ignore. You da man! And the end is getting REAL close.

    ~toktomi~

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

      I hear what your saying but is it really up to James and other lone voices to solve our problems or is it up to us? Perhaps it is up to all of us to gets some backbone and demand change.

      I really do hear what your saying and agree the ‘nothing we can do’ Zeitgeist needs to stop. There might be some honour in dying trying if that’s the way it goes. There is none in giving up and rolling over.

      I roll over for treats, nothing else.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm #

      “There is nothing of the stone age earth bounties left”

      No doubt. “They” (certainly not *me*) clearcut the planet, and poisoned the rest of the land/air/water/sea with carcinogenic hydrocarbons/heavy metals/radioactive material (not to mention silt and nitrogen [herbicide/pesticide] runoff into the rivers, and depletion/concretization of the remaining clay). Only fossil fuel excavations for fertilizer/herbicide/pesticide keep us 7 billion alive now…

      400+ppm CO2, and *EXPONENTIALLY* rising (33% higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years [ice cores]). Where are we in the peak solar irradiance cycle now (2 years in? 5 years in? Just *STARTING*?)?!?

      • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 1:56 am #

        AND that’s all they *SAID*. Sad state of overconsumption and overpollution…

        Don’t *sweat*?!? they got *plans*@@@

  120. Q. Shtik October 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

    “…and Pucker pretends to be an inane idiot.” – Dog
    ============

    What do you mean pretend?

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:15 pm #

      His persistency requires craft. True idiots get lucky sometimes.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 1:57 am #

      Nice 1, *SOKER*!!!

  121. Q. Shtik October 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    “… no later [then] by the end of 2014.” – Mich_Nat
    ===========

    than

  122. Q. Shtik October 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    “…that I can’t just skim [though] or totally ignore.” – talk to me
    ============

    through

  123. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

    What is a “K-Dog”?

    Why do you personify yourself as a “Dog”?

    And why do you refer to your spouse as a “Dog”, i.e., “Mrs. Dog”?

    Thank you.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

      Ms. Dog.

      I give her more respect than to consider her property. We are going through life together. I love her and she loves me. Lest there be any confusion we are legally married and have been a very long time.

      In one of my last two articles on my website I’ve actually explained part of why I chose that moniker. It was actually coined by someone else, respectfully in a context similar to like being told:

      All right dude, you’re the man!!

      Ms Dog. She’s a Ms. and I’m a Mr. It is called equality. If you’d like to know about what I think about that, here you go:

      http://chasingthesquirrel.blogspot.com/

  124. ZrCrypDiK October 26, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    NE-1 catch that Chris Hayes “ALL IN” episode, where he had the Fox newz whistle-blower on? Lulz, apparently this whistle-blower describes, in his book about the “Fox Hole,” that Fox had multiple persons employed to respond to NE negative ‘poasts’ in the Fox forum, using 20 different aliases, that were all IP-sourced to separate anonymous bogus IP addresses through a firewall proxy…

    Sound *familiar* (can we say, Soker-Puppet – master debator)?!… *SAME OL’, SAME OL’*!!!

    • K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 12:04 am #

      But at Fox it’s at least still part of the private sector and not funded by tax dollars. Still quite disgusting, but I take it those 20 different aliases did not have a ‘bat phone’ with which discipline insolent dogs.

      Having special powers to protect the secrecy of the game would put things in a very different category. That would be a downright clusterfuck.

      Is there a link to that episode?

      • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 2:00 am #

        Ironcally *NOT* – but spam fox *MOLE* for “food”…

  125. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

    Isn’t the proclivity of males to refer to themselves and other males as a “Dog” part of the urban, black Ghetto culture, similar to references to Whites as “Crackas”, or black females as “Ho’s” and “Bitchas”?

    Isn’t a “Bitch” in Ghetto culture a female “Dog”?

    Thank you.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

      Isn’t the proclivity of males to refer to themselves and other males as a “Dog” part of the urban, black Ghetto culture.

      Yes, as a sign of respect or affection.

  126. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

    In some cultures, for example, the Chinese culture, it is very demeaning to refer to oneself or others as a “Dog”.

    In the Chinese culture, referring to someone as a “Dog” suggests that the person has a very slavish, subservient mentality, a boot-licker, ass-kisser, shoe-shiner, brown-noser, an Uncle Tom.

  127. Pucker October 26, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    The point of my joke above was to mock the fact that some black people use humiliating terms, such as “Dog”, “Ho”, “Nigga”, “Bitch” to refer to themselves and sometimes see outrage where none exists, and, perhaps, take themselves way-too-seriously.

    I apologize if I offended anyone, but, having said that “GROW UP!”

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

      But “Dog” is not intended to be or considered to be humiliating.

    • K-Dog October 26, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

      And why do you refer to yourself as Pucker?

      • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 12:02 am #

        Pother Mucker?!… That’s my guess (you 2 doin’ a good job floodin’ me *out*!).

        • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 3:05 am #

          Bwah!!! Pother Mucker!!! W#ake teh F*** up!!!

  128. K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 1:27 am #

    Sorry, I don’t mean to flood you out. I want to see that episode. But I don’t hang with mainstream TV news much.

    I’ve been searching for other sources on the story. So far with no luck.

    Is the Whistleblower is Frank Luntlz?

    Which book is it? Can you find the title? If you post the title a trip to a Seattle Bookstore is in my future. I’ll check out anything that mentions multiple persons employed to respond to negative comments. I’m there.

    Here is your comment repeated.

    NE-1 catch that Chris Hayes “ALL IN” episode, where he had the Fox newz whistle-blower on? Lulz, apparently this whistle-blower describes, in his book about the “Fox Hole,” that Fox had multiple persons employed to respond to NE negative ‘poasts’ in the Fox forum, using 20 different aliases, that were all IP-sourced to separate anonymous bogus IP addresses through a firewall proxy…

    Sound *familiar* (can we say, Soker-Puppet – master debator)?!… *SAME OL’, SAME OL’*!!!

  129. Pucker October 27, 2013 at 2:13 am #

    Pucker—as in “Pucker up, baby, and let me lay a big wet one on ya!”

    The photo is a photo of the televangelist Ernest Angley, “God’s Man of the Hour”, and filthy rich millionaire who performs faith healings—”You can have a Miracle!”

    It’s a joke….

  130. Pucker October 27, 2013 at 4:27 am #

    I think that referring to someone as a “Dog” is very humiliating, particularly if the word “Dog” is used in reference to females.

    A female dog, as you know, is a “Bitch”, which connotes an ill-tempered woman who lets any random male “Dog” jump on her when she’s in heat.

    In Chinese, the word for “Bastard” is “Gou Zaizi” (also Tu Zaizi) “Gou” means “dog”.

    In the black Ghetto culture, I guess that when someone refers to himself as a “Dog’ that he thinks of himself as some really “bad” dangerous “gangsta” who humps a lot of “bitches” in heat.

    I don’t think that this is a psychologically healthy way to view oneself.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 27, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

      Kosher Dog wants to be Black. He thinks they are superior.

  131. Pucker October 27, 2013 at 5:01 am #

    That people can’t see that child pornography is wrong or that it’s wrong to refer to one’s self or others as “dog”, “bitch”, “cracka”, “ho”, etc. just shows how far gone our culture has gone. Beached whales….

  132. Deblonay October 27, 2013 at 7:35 am #

    Reading some comments on this site,I fell depressed that the often wise and always pertinant comments of our host JH Kunstler find some poor responces

    Some on this site…some regular contributers.. have nothing to say except to use the site as a place to express prejudices and sometimeshalf madt theories and sayings

    Often they ignore the subject of the week and Kuinstler’s great comments on the decline and fall of the USA are ignored or misunderstood

    As an outside reader(from Australia) I find that sad
    A reguiar visitor and traveller in the USA I note with a deal of sorrow the parlous life of so many there

    The great wealth o0f the USA doesn’t afford a good life …as it could…for all Americans..but just to the priveleged

    Much of the ideas expressed here are an illusion
    The real America is a dark and troubled nation and that”s bad news for much opf the woprld
    The real problem of course is the vast military expenditure
    Till that is tackled there is no hope for many in the USA..so end it
    Like all declining empoires in history.the military is a greed

    • ozone October 27, 2013 at 10:03 am #

      I highly recommend JL Eagan’s “Brain Noise” column below (#7 pingback at the bottom of the page.)

      They’ve brought the 12 gauge semi-auto (with a very large magazine) to the party of blowing gaping holes in the broad side of the barn that houses the sacred tablets of the american zeitgeist.

      A couple snips:

      ” We have a national government trillions of dollars in the hole, from spending trillions and trillions of dollars over decades, not on maintaining a protective defense of the nation, but covering the entire planet with the US military. Then, on top of that, millions of American citizens have been willing to accept sending American military people and equipment and spending hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, on the other side of the world, and accept the idea that all that is “defending our freedom”. People who can watch this, and not think there’s something profoundly and massively wrong, are people who are gullible and easily manipulated enough to be shoved into some insane war by people beating the war drum and barking jingoistic nationalistic bullshit.”

      “People buy completely into what they’ve been sold for years about how what’s good for giant corporations and what’s good for Wall Street giant banks and institutions is good for the economy and the nation, and yet then seem completely baffled that “the economy” outside of those entities is such a gigantic raging dysfunctional clusterfuck”

      He (I’m ASSUMING ‘he’) is shooting holes in such diverse planks as political pigeon-holing, appalling hero-worship, financial chicanery, energy delusions and general all ’round pretending and cognitive dissonance. As with Kunstler, he posits that this need not be “the end”, but the realities must be faced and institutions that prop up the pretending should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

      As an aside, I think you’ll agree that any country that becomes ‘a friend’ to the interests of the political oligarchy/administration of the US has made a dangerous pact with da deb’bil, and will live to rue the day it was signed in blood.

  133. Pucker October 27, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    Yes, the military-industrial complex is largely responsible for America’s current predicament. Don’t forget the 1947 decision to create the National Security Council (and the CIA), America’s Secret Government,

    Also very important is the off-shoring of US jobs.

    Read Paul Craig Robert’s the “Failure of Laissez-Faire Capitalism”.

    These are all economic and political causes which are fundamental,, but, in my view, there’s also something very dark and evil happening in the US culture now. People have no moral sense, almost like beached whales, or honey bees that can’t find their hive.

  134. ozone October 27, 2013 at 10:31 am #

    …Just the very tippy-top tip of a massive iceberg, but there’s been a ‘mass banning’ of 250 sock puppet accounts that post to Wikipedia.
    Research it yourself, at… uh… at Wikipedia! (Mebbe not. ;))

    • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 10:53 am #

      Same ol’, same ol’… :) Can we say, “Infested” (great movie)!!!

      • ozone October 27, 2013 at 11:21 am #

        LOL, Sure ya could!

        • K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

          Today I’m finding my internet surf-dom goes better with the addition of some delightful musics.

          Concerning potential unemployment of sock-puppets.

          Not to worry, once their unemployment benefits run out they won’t have any trouble getting on disability. -;)

          • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

            Hehe, you *peepin’* at my activity of playin’ youtubes non-stock?!?

            Heh, the govt employees here in Orygone (700+) filed for unemployment and got it ($300k+), as well as 2 weeks back-pay. I’m not sure how they did that – I know two people who suffered multiple turn-downs for unemployment – mostly because they couldn’t *prove* they were looking for a new job (govt boys still had their jobs, and didn’t *LOOK* for another?!?). Not quite sure how they *QUALIFIED* (fast track for insiders?)…

          • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

            BTW, the “All In” Chris Hayes video link is above (reply to U!), concerning sock puppetry at Fox…

          • K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

            Got to reply to myself ZrCrypDik cus this thread won’t go deeper.

            Me a peeping? Me doing a Pucker? Nooooooooo sir. I peep at the peepers.

            I’m experimenting with a Firefox add-on called Lightbeam I just found out about. Currently there are 17 third party applications watching this website.

            http://www.zdnet.com/want-to-know-whos-spying-on-you-online-theres-an-app-for-that-7000022447/

            You havin a nice day Barack? Hows Sunny doing?

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/meet-sunny

          • K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

            Oh forgot to add thanks for the link. I watched it and will be checking out “Murdoch’s World The Last of the Old Media empire” by David Folkenflick sometime soon.

          • K-Dog October 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

            Might be wrong about the 17 number. A bit confusing to use. Still learning.

          • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

            SAME OL’, SAME OL’!!! You gotta move on *Approval*!!! Slow blog approval is akin to *SLOW* (immediate) blog death…

            Hehe, *ice*!!! we still have that, at the N/S poles – *correct*?!?

          • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

            Heh, so how’s Bellevue treating *U*!!! (good look) U slow on yer admin/forum (gunna turn most poaster away)…

  135. beantownbill. October 27, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    To those of you who wonder how the masses can’t see the breakdown happening all around them, please remember that the current processes responsible for our plight have been in effect for many, many years. One could say that our present condition is the end stage of our ruin, like a cancer that has been slowly growing in a vital organ, while the person feels good, unaware they are very ill. Until one day pain rears its ugly head or a lump becomes visible and the cancer is detected.

    We are at the stage now where only those people in touch with their bodies know something is wrong. Soon enough the American corpus reluctantly will be aware it is sick. When that happens, multiply the recent EBT/Walmart events by a facto of a million. That’s what our society will be like to live in then.

    • ozone October 28, 2013 at 9:03 am #

      Bean,
      That’s a more vivid analogy than the “boiling frogs” trope, and certainly just as apt.

  136. ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

    Fast track for insiders!!! Collateralized debt obligations, and credit default swaps!!! They (*BANKSTERZ*) still carrying those as losses on their balance sheet, or is it now non-GAAP reporting on a separate *SH!T* (sheet)…

    • ZrCrypDiK October 27, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

      “I take little comfort in the fact that I did my best to play my part to try to avert or mitigate these events, efforts which proved hopelessly futile and feeble in retrospect.”

      I swear, I think I read his mind (or he read *mine*)…

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