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Strange Jubilee

     Is there a Baby Boomer so dim in this land of rackets and swindles who thinks that he or she will escape the wrath of the Millennials rising? The developing story is so obvious that only an academic economist could fail to notice. Here’s how it will go: some months from now, as the financial unwind worsens, and the mirage of gainful employment shimmers away to nothing, and the technocrats of Europe meet nervously by some Swiss lakeside (and are seen glumly shaking their heads), and Romney and Obama try to out-do each other peddling miracle cures for the tanking national self-esteem – a dangerous meme will go forth across the internet, and this meme will say: Millennials, renounce your college loans and set yourselves free!
     And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality.
     I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. The college loan racket has been an even more cynical enterprise than the mortgage racket was because so many people who ought to have known better, people of supposed intelligence such as college deans, cabinet secretaries, and think-tank Yodas, all colluded to support the false promise that the gigantic cargo cult of higher ed would keep churning out fresh careers forever – when the truth was that the entire groaning vessel of hopes and dreams was already under water and sinking into the eternal darkness.
      And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream? Dreams do die hard. As dreams go it was a pretty good one while it lasted, but like all dreams, it has vanished in the mists of a new morning leaving the dreamers half-sick, anxious, and drained. They have nothing to lose but their fears of the re-po man and the simulated dudgeon of telephone robot debt-collectors.
     This idea should catch on as the election season heats up. Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts – and then proceed with the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions. The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination.
     The colleges themselves will, of course, implode shortly, along with everything else currently organized on the super-gigantic scale. They are no more prepared for what is about to happen to them than the chiselers in government, banking, medicine, and global corporate enterprise. We will wonder in retrospect how they ever managed to winkle 50-grand a year for their absurd promises, and how we permitted young people with undeveloped powers of judgment to sign their financial lives away on terms even more stringent than their parents’ mortgages. When the universities do go down, tossing their employees overboard in the process, it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students. I can imagine a period of turmoil in America even harsher than, say, the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s in China where officials, professors, and authorities of all kinds were paraded through the angry mobs wearing dunce caps. Weird things happen history.
     The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. kulturcritic* April 9, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    James – the news is just a constant reminder of the path we are heading down; the nation is doomed, while we all wait our turn.
    kC
    kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/hoodies-anyone-or-hoodwinked-in-the-homeland/

  2. Leibowitz Society April 9, 2012 at 9:36 am #

    The world is changing, and not for the better. The people who think they can manage this transition are wrong, and so are the people who are left with an empty bag of promises and a belief that they can fill them if they are loud and angry enough.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/peak-wealth.html for more information and commentary on our coming collapse.

  3. swmnguy April 9, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Burn Your Loan Docs! The Boomers burned their Draft Cards. Same Difference.

  4. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Second! I guess…always wanted to say that.
    JHK is wrong about the Millennials:
    “And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?”
    I teach them. I used to think this. Perhaps 20% of them in my experience have “wised up” and are angry about their lack of opportunity, as compared to their parents’ time.
    The rest expect various hand-holders to help, from academic advisors, employers who will let them work when and where the Millennial wishes, and of course, dear old mom and dad.
    This generation is turning out to be passive and confused. Their mantra is “I’m confused.”
    At least the Xers said “whatever, dude.” It was honest. And the Boomers said, before they became stodgy, “do your own thing.”
    The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for “trying.”
    They need to try harder, in the hard times ahead. JHK overestimates their ability. I hope I’m wrong and he’s right on this one, but he doesn’t teach these kids every day.

  5. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    okay, fourth!

  6. empirestatebuilding April 9, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    Throwing off the yoke is a good idea, but I am afraid that most of the students in loan trouble are victims of Stockholm Syndrome. I just do not see the outrage. If anything I see them voting in Romney who will doom them to a lifetime of wage slavery.
    Young adults today will line up to get the first iPad but they will not line up to take control of their lives.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  7. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    “And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?”
    No there probably is no Millennial so dim. So, what’s the fucking beef Jimmy?
    Anyone taking out a loan in the hope of a better future, rolled the dice. They weren’t promised dick. But they did happen to notice that about any job worth having in this day and age, requires an advanced education. And now you (being the fucking “adult” that you are) are suggesting those who took loans not repay their loans. Once again the poor moronic masses were suckered and need to be saved from themselves.
    I got an idea. All those books of yours that you are shilling on this site? Send me a hundred of each. I’ll pay you later for them. Honest :>) (Fucking dip shit.)

  8. PRD April 9, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    It’s so hard to say these things to your bright-eyed, hopeful offspring, just beginning their adult lives in their early 20s. They’ve picked up some of my cynicism, sure, and as students of environmental science, they’re not blind to the absolute mess their forebears have made of the planet.
    But, still …
    Any other parents out there who’ve sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here? Anyone actually advised their college-aged kids to just default on the school loans? Mine have school loans, though not in outrageously high amounts.

  9. bailey April 9, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    living in prague; a couple of czech students came over for a cuppa last night. the guy’s an engineer, the girl’s studying spanish and english and will work as a translator.
    unemployment is under 10% in the republic, under 3% in prague, major export country, was surprised at how great, no military cost, few on welfare, they hope their university fees will remain free, perhaps not, but they’re focused kids, serious, don’t do FACEBOOK and every reason to believe they’ll find jobs in their perspective fields once they graduate.
    mio marito does biz in kazakhstan, 8% annual growth, GDP, sending all the bright kids to oxford, harvard, etc, not nearly as corrupt as other countries in region, pres. is smart about growth, oil, keeping goldman out….
    just wish the occupy movement would actually have a ‘demands’ section in the us, then perhaps they could demand they take away the loans, cost about a trillion, banks could eat it, we bailed them out, right….
    let’s hope, it is hopeful in some places and it once was in the states….
    just get rid of the military, lol….

  10. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    My daughter is a Millennial. She’s not angry. She also hasn’t read the copy of “The Long Emergency” that I sent her more than a year ago.) She’s just disconnected. About to graduate from a Florida state university with a double-major degree in two unmarketable subjects — debt-free, thank planning! — and not nearly as politically engaged as she was in 2008 when Candidate Hopey inspired her.
    There will be no rebellion against Boomers like me and you, JHK. The young are prepared to eat whatever shit sandwich they’e fed. They have lost the will to overpower. It’s all ironic to them.
    And I feel no guilt for my privileged position in the Most Entitled Generation. I’m paying the Social Security taxes that supported my mom and dad. (At least I was before I fled the country six years ago.) That was my duty to the older generation. I might get screwed out of my SS when I stop working in whatever country I’m living in when I hit 65, but I’ve been preparing for that. If I’m screwed, it will be because of heartless bean-counting fascists in government, not because of irate, involved yoofs. They just don’t care.

  11. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Today’s post is on target.
    Debtors all should be treated alike. If someone is permitted to bankrupt out of one form of debt, say, a $200K mortgage deficiency on a house worth half what you paid for it, plus about $300K in HELOC loans, then a youngster should be able to bankrupt out of college debt when it becomes clear that s/he will never earn enough money in a 150-year lifetime to pay back the tuition for four years of studying elitist, impractical bullshit that will never get a person a paying job.
    But this leads me to another thought. If the excuse for making college loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy is that they are owed to the taxpayers, being “government-backed”, then why are people being let off the hook for mortgage deficiencies on FHA mortgages and those bought by Fannie and Freddie?
    I can imagine, that if FHA delinquencies and defaults continue to rise, and FNMA and FMAC losses deepen, that there might be a move to make debt owed to these entities non-dischargeable, too.
    Be careful if you are thinking of springing for one of these newly cheap houses or condos.

  12. mow April 9, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    It’s a happy go shopping world .

  13. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    My daughter recently got her masters in math. She has no bills, she paid for college herself. She works at an upscale brew-pub and makes beaucoup denari. No need for the degree besides counting out change. Lately, I’ve been showing her how to use a chainsaw, shoot, and work on her car.Plus I talked her into the precious metal market rather than the big bank deposit. My buddies kid is in debt for about 100 large for a worthless degree (as far as I am concerned) in business administration. The kid can’t even change the oil in his car. It is like starting out with a mortgage but with no house to show for it!

  14. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    “[T]he wrath of the Millennials rising” I see you’ve been reading more Strauss and Howe. First it was The Fourth Turning, now Millennials Rising. Good for you. You’ll have a clearer understanding of the crisis era ahead of us, and of what the aftermath could be.
    And, yes, forgiveness of educational debt is a major issue to the rising generation of young adults. President Obama is talking about that, along with using sticks and carrots to colleges to hold down tuition. I wish him luck; he’ll need it. Maybe I should blog about that topic again; I haven’t written anything about the subject since the last time Obama visited the University of Michigan.
    As for the mass uprising at the conventions, I’m still skeptical. Millies are big on mass action, but any violence would have to be organized; spontaneous chaotic outbursts are not the kind of thing their type of civic and heroic generation is known for. Speaking of instability in Tampa and Charlotte, I find it odd is that the people in charge of security at the convention are banning Guy Fawkes masks and water pistols, things that the Occupiers would use, but not real pistols. I guess the NRA was helping draft their regulations.
    I didn’t blog about any of the above on Crazy Eddie’s Motie News this past week. Instead, I posted an essay about how the future people think they were promised, down to flying cars for the masses, jet packs, and the Star Trek vision of social harmony, won’t arrive, despite the debut of a flying car for the luxury market at the New York Auto Show this weekend. I also took advantage of the 100th anniversary of the first and final voyage of the Titanic to examine how a catastrophic failure of technology happens–a metaphor for our times. Rachel Maddow’s exposure of the corn pone fascists in the Michigan legislature acting like, well, corn pone fascists also made the cut as the most popular post of the past week. I also revisited the latest news about auto sales, gas prices, the firing of Keith Olbermann, and the theme song for my blog, (Nothing but) Flowers. All of the above have musical accompanyment. Come for the writing, stay for the music!
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  15. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Your last line says it all Bailey!

  16. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    Any other parents out there who’ve sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here?
    I have! Not just morbidly, but with lots of tips about how to get through the coming changes as well as possible. I am personally optimistic about my chances, in part because I have several countries where I am legally entitled to live. And my daughter could have a similarly internationalized future, if she had pursued the Spanish and Japanese languages she studied in high school. (Ex-wife’s side of the family was rich, could send her to an elite private HS.)
    The response I get is “Oh Dad, you’re a Chicken Little. You’ve been talking like that for years. Nothing bad has happened yet. You’re bumming me out. Talk about something else.”
    What can I say? She was warned. When the time comes, I hope I can get her legal admission to whatever country it is where I’ll be eking out a living with my chickens and whatever food I can scratch out of the dirt…

  17. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    I see you’ve watched “The End of Suburbia,” too. I show that film to my students every semester, and it never fails to get a strong reaction out of them. The environmentalists think “it’s worse than we thought,” the conservatives get pissed off at Jim, and everyone else just goes “oh, shit.”

  18. pedal pusher April 9, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    I’m a geezer, but I’m in contact with numerous college-age kids through my daughter. These are mostly fine young people who are college bound or already attending college, but have zero intention of paying off their school loans. They really don’t think much about it. What’s more, very few of them have driver’s licenses (state IDs are becoming more common)and only one young man in the group owns a car.
    The times they are a’changin, and the young folks sense it.

  19. Lost-in-North-Dakota April 9, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Diligent students who major in engineering, agronomy, accounting, computer science, nursing, and other useful disciplines will have no trouble repaying their student loans. The same goes for a good student who goes to tech school and learns how to weld, to be a plumber, fix furnaces, clean teeth, cut hair, drive a semi, or run a CNC milling machine. But I see, every day, slackers who seldom go to class and flunk out of college after 2 years. I also see students majoring in dead-end majors with no hope of employment. The last two groups will never pay off their loans.

  20. ozone April 9, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    Senor Kunstler say:
    “The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination.”
    I say, that I absolutely concur with this idea of historical momentum and [eventual] destination; there can be no other for a place of finite resources!
    Now, this hard smack of impending reality will be resisted and pooh-poohed most petulantly into a big box of Hell-on-earth because of the ‘psychology of previous investment’ that you have so astutely observed and documented. (A lot of thrashing and protestations of, “you promised, you promised, you promised!”, will be forthcoming before the shock of, “sorry puppies, there’s no there there, it was just bid’ness you see”.)
    Just watch, you’ll see it rear it’s blind, moronic head right here on these very pages in short order! I refuse to be shocked by its’ presence any longer; I’ll simply regard it as a given and work around it, while keeping a weather-eye out for reactionary tantrums. Head down, powder dry.

  21. damie April 9, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    I, too, teach this generation and speak almost daily to them about the challenges ahead. On board each day is posted the most important economic number and indicator, the mornings price of Brentcrude and WTI. Some of the students actively resist the information I provide. I do not blame them, they live comfortable lives and don’t want the future to be different. Other become very gloomy and immediately jump to, “We’re all going to die.” Some become empowered. I’ve helped students call for solar panels on the school roof–rejected by the board but did result in the formation of the Faculty Sustainability Committee. Even the empowered students feel their actions are as strong as a sand castle against a tidal wave. Even my own family exists in this surreal twilight of fossil fuel age. Our college age children are bounding off to academia while a significant part of me feels I should be teaching them how to garden. My own children say, “Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same.”
    The reality of the change that is in process is hard to accept. I’ve gone through my own dark moments. I believe we will have to rely on ourselves. At the same time that I think government and press will not address the problems at hand, I still write letters to the editor. I’m collecting signatures for 25% renewables in Missouri by 2025 (the electric company got the state legislature to undermine the previous ballot initiative passed in 2008 for 15% renewables).
    The readers of this blog are probably better informed than most. While you prepare yourselves for the change that is in process, take time to write a letter. Read the news and post comments refuting the conventional thinking. We need to try to turn the tide of public understanding and misinformation.
    Do what you can. Help those coming of age understand what is happening. Information is empowering.

  22. Truckee April 9, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    LAST! That is how feel on occasion but the good news is it will not last.

  23. SNAFU April 9, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Jim, To your cogent discussion I offer: Back in the “bad old days”, 1960-62, I attended the local Agricultural and Technical Institute (ATI now SUNY) and acquired an AAS degree with zero cost per credit hour. About 6 years later, 1966-68, I convinced the USAF to send me to the University of Colorado, Boulder, to obtain an Astronautical Engineering BS, as a non-resident. Cost per semester to the USAF for my attendance at CU $600, total cost for 7 semesters $4200. At the time I was a SSg/E5 salary about $4000/year. If one assumes the rate of salary increase kept pace with the rate of educational cost increase (roughly 50 times, 50000/1050) one would thereby expect an E5 today to be earning nearly $200,000/year.
    Something tells me salary increases have fallen far behind educational costs. Me thinks this just possibly may have something to do with the increased rate of transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1%, kinda similar to the precursors of the world wide frivolities kicked off by the economic crash in the late 1920’s.
    SNAFU

  24. lsjogren April 9, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    damie:
    “I’ve helped students call for solar panels on the school roof”
    Great, so you have helped encourage kids to partcipate in techno-delusionalism.

  25. andrei_timoshenko April 9, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    urp,
    There is nothing more inherently ‘dice-rolling’ than the GIVING OUT of a loan – you are giving someone else money after calculating the likelihood that they will be able and willing to repay you. Indeed, the interest you earn on that loan is compensation for bearing this very risk.
    Don’t like the risk? Then don’t issue the loans and don’t earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand.

  26. scottstreet April 9, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    I’ve read all your books and continue to read them again and again because I know in my gut you’re right. As reality gets harder and harder to bear, I’m also rereading the Nearing’s books on homesteading. In 1970, I almost went in their direction, but unwisely signed up for a career working for the Corporate State that now threatens to destroy us all. At the moment, I’m enjoying The Kunstler Cast. Suburbia was an even bigger con than the corporate career ladder scam and now we’ve got to scramble to avoid getting hit by falling debris as the Big Lie comes crashing down. Thanks to you, Chris Hedges and other writers who aren’t afraid to tell the truth, at least it’s possible to understand the whole insane web of deceit and perhaps even find some loopholes of freedom that might save us . . .

  27. Breadman April 9, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    My best guess?
    Sometime about late October, candidate Mitt Romney will make a campaign promise to cut the amount owed on all student loans by about 60%, to be funded by making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
    By the time the rubes figure that one out, Romney will be planning his first presidential trip to Europe, and Obama will be planning his next career.

  28. dale April 9, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    Jimbo
    Maybe you should consider becoming the “Pol Pot” of America. I can certainly envision you driving us all out of the cities “for our own good”. What a knucklehead.

  29. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    “I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral.”
    I’m all for viral memes, I’m trying to start one of my own. But the millennials you speak of were the same ones who were all walking around with copies of Atlas Shrugged just a few short years ago. That’s a lot of primordial slime to crawl out of before they can develop anything but a rudementary social consciousness.
    Better a meme start with those already burdened with telephone robot debt-collectors who can’t find work to feed their families in a society that already pretends they don’t exist.
    Skip the millennials. Proceed directly to:
    “the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions.”
    Regarding draft cards. The last year it mattered cards were not issued at all because TPTB knew they would all be instant and direct contributions to global warming. That year those eligible had to wait for their letter to report with no cards to burn.

  30. Hugh Culliton April 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    I teach them too. However, I don’t think the Mellenials should take the whole rap for being under motivated, fenenstrating, slackers. The problem’s not poor clay, it’s the potter. As parents, we’ve, and I’m speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids. I’ve lost track of the number of times little Grade 10 Jimmy’s parents have given me a blast of shit and threatened me for failing their kid who did sweet F.A. all semester, and turned in no assignments. Or the ones who lie to the school and cover for the kid when he skips to smoke dope. Or how about the school boards who cave like Peruvian mine the moment some parent waves a lawyer at them. How about our politicians? Great role models there! I think Jim’s right on this one: we have not prepared the, for the future and once they get over the shock of the Long Emergency, they’re going to kick our ass. And you know what? We deserve it.
    Cheers!

  31. loveday April 9, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Hey Clusterfuckers
    Happy Easter to all! Jim, of course the kids are gonna be pissed, they have been screwed big time by predatory government that was supposed to be looking out for them, not banks. But this stuff about the youth taking it out on their elders isn’t going to happen. Young people are very well aware that their parents are being screwed by the very same government and banks. I look for a united movement of all ages to take positive action against the real perpetrators of the huge mess the country is in. Banks, corporations, and morally bankcrupt politicians who are feeding on the wealth of all the nations and damn near have bled them dry.
    The spring should usher in much unrest as the financial situation continues to unravel and the 50% of the population that lives on poverty or near poverty incomes continues to grow. Where’s Jerry Maguire when you need him? Show us the money, cause it damn sure didn’t disappear in a black hole as Jon Corzine would like everyone to believe. Retrieval of stolen funds should be a top priority, that money would solve alot of problems.
    On another note, has anyone been following the mass resignations that have been occurring in financial, corporate and governmental circles world wide, seems that almost 700 have left their posts since last September. Check it out on American Kabuki website, most curious. Rats leaving a sinking ship? Or are shysters being told “Your services are no longer needed”. HMMM….
    loveday

  32. djc April 9, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    @smokeyjoe,
    I agree with you. I also teach High Schoolers and most of them have really bought into the “take on student loan debt for an expensive college degree” line with no understanding of what that entails. A good example is a student who is starting pharmacy school with a tuition cost of over $50,000 a year. The university is giving him $15,000 in scholarships, he’s taking $20,000 in loans and his parents will have to borrow the rest (numbers are approximate). He’ll be so buried in debt after a few years that he’s effectively sold his soul with no way to redeem his freedom.
    I know several recent pharmacy school graduates and while they are employed it certainly isn’t what they expected. One grad is working three days a week at a national health care provider and another couple of days at the local small town pharmacy—not exactly what she thought things would be.
    This whole system is a racket and the baby boomer “guidance counselors” are giving advice that is really counter to reality–this would be laughable if it wasn’t sooooooo sad.

  33. ssgconway April 9, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    “Resolve to serve no more and you are at once free. I do not ask that you place your hands upon the tyrant, but that you merely cease to obey him, and then you will behold him, like some great Colossus, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. Resolve to serve no more!’
    -Etienne de la Boiete
    ‘Discourse on Voluntary Servitude’
    You may be on to something, Mr. K.

  34. emaho April 9, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Your name inspires a similar reaction…what my kids used to do when they “urpped” up their pizza. Or does “urp” stand for Ulysses Roger Petersnapper?

  35. popcine April 9, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Here’s a plan.
    You burn the loan docs now, and for the next 10 years work in the cash economy. I mean, the underground economy. No taxes, no nothing. “Off-book.”
    Then 10 years from now you get a “job with benefits”, taxable, and you pay off your student loan with inflated dollars.
    Pretty funny, giving the government back its own.

  36. ssgconway April 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    I’d add to this the thought that a latter-day Father Coughlin or a Huey Long will seize on this and ride it very far. We don’t get men of principle championing populist movements, in or out of electoral politics, very often. Is there a Walter Reuther somewhere out there or will it be a demagogue who seizes the idea, and then the day?

  37. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    “Don’t like the risk? Then don’t issue the loans and don’t earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand.”
    Wrong, moron. Those giving the loan, have an enforceable contract in hand. And as Obama has very recently nationalized student loans, those who refuse to repay their loans, aren’t sticking it to some Wall Street banker, they are sticking it to you and me and little Jimmy (assuming you and little Jimmy pay taxes).

  38. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    “My own children say, “Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same.”
    Yes this is the sad truth. Fantasy and reality are now so confused the belief that thinking can make it so runs rampant across the land. That we are all living in the twilight of what was the greatest golden age the human race ever knew is just too hard to face.

  39. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “…it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students.” JHK posits this in the context of the Cultural Revolution in China. Well, the formerly “distinguished” should hope so! The outcome could really be more like Pol Pot’s Kmer Rouge’ reaction to their “Intellectual Elite”. Rage often demands payback.

  40. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “…not exactly what she thought things would be.”
    Ahhh. It isn’t what she expected. And I’m supposed to support her not repaying her loan because “it isn’t what she expected”?

  41. budizwiser April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    JK’s gone rogue. Yesterday morning I posted a much more coherent visio of “what’s next.”
    And you can be sure, we won’t know what it is until after we are all a little more fucker over, and little poorer for having lived longer.
    JK, there are enough salient areas regarding the degradation of the US and it’s population. No need to make shit up – just because you are pissed about it.
    The “real deal” going down is how the rich are going to arrange for the poor and working schmucks to pay for the luxury of a nation filled with auto-centric infrastructure that will increasingly be restricted to those living off of other people’s money.
    In other words, the government will soon learn how to tax poor people to pay for roads and bridges that they can’t even afford to use.
    A new cultural polarization will be brewing – between what’s left of the “happy motoring public” and the millions and millions of those unable to afford it.
    I suspect – it may start to leak into consciousness sometime after the next election charades season…….

  42. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    ” I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. ”
    Go viral? From this site? Uh huh.

  43. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Good try,Popcine! Please take note, though, that at the end of the western Roman Empire, the government wouldn’t accept it’s own specie in payment of taxes! This because the specie had been so debased with base metal. In fact, payment of taxes was often made in materiel or livestock.

  44. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Yes, I agree. But there is the small matter of food to consider.

  45. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    When the dreams of free stuff, sumthin’-fer-nuthin’, financial instruments, cheap food, and reward without work (sheep-ish-skins) go wherever it is that dreams go to die, the shit will assuredly be thrown into the fan with astonishing force. I have no doubts that we will all be splattered with some. The dosage will (of course) be determined by circumstance, but those who cannot help provide for their own needs (as well as others) will be in very deep trouble. The depths of one’s education will no longer have any weight in a world of desperate need where what one can provide will be the overarching concern. (I don’t have much use for a person who has a degree in “comparative religion”, for instance.)

  46. jerry April 9, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    James, I do believe your hopeful premise on graduated students burning their loan contracts is pie in the sky. The OWS movement has presently fizzled out. That hopeful movement to force a redirection of thought and action by government officials has turned to dust.
    Only under the most hardship of circumstances will a graduate be able to cancel their college loans. Here is a quote I found:
    “Unless you can show that your education loan payment is an “undue hardship” on you, your family, and your dependents, your student loans are ineligible for cancellation (discharge) in bankruptcy.
    It is difficult to prove “undue hardship” unless you are physically unable to work and there is no chance of your making money. To discharge your student loans under this special case, you must file a separate motion with the bankruptcy court and present your situation before a judge.”
    Just because a person graduated from a university doesn’t mean they are rebellious and own an activist streak.
    This nation is mostly filled with Sheeple, who watch too much t.v. and drink too much beer, and care too much about Nascar.
    And, their best friend is named Bubba, and he is NOT the one who won the Master’s Golf Tournie.
    Those of us who are very alert and aware are generally helpless in the greater picture of change. All we can do is do it for ourselves and be prepared to plant the crops and split the wood.
    http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
    http://moontownshippa.blogspot.com

  47. Unconventional Ideas April 9, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    As a baby boomer, I think the best I can do is teach younger people about these realities, encourage the learning of practical homesteading skills, and otherwise model a life of intelligent response to the long emergency.
    That’s really all I can do.

  48. Rick April 9, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    So Mr Kunstler, let review the outcome of your prediction. Colleges that are left standing will accept NO ONE unless the cash is up front. Fluff departments ie most liberal studies will be devastated. Those that can get a job, engineering, perhaps chemistry etc will do well. You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.

  49. DreamCycle April 9, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    All due respect, until very recently I ran an education program for this age group and found them engaged and delightful. And my program attracted kids from all socioeconomic backgrounds–from affluent to undocumented kids. The classes were free, so they did not serve only those who had money. Smoky, if you really feel that way about your students, perhaps you need some time away from teaching them. And, as a teacher, you well know that you can never tell who you are reaching, as students often do have that delayed reaction. If you really care about your students, take heart–you may be changing lives, even when you don’t know it.

  50. urp April 9, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    “You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.”
    That is because the liberal viewpoint isn’t very bright to begin with. Nuff said.

  51. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    Dale, JHK won’t be driving us out of the cities for our own good. If you carefully read JHK’s writings you will realize that it will be REALITY that exacts a change in our circumstances. Your comment is based on the notion that the consequences of our folly are optional. JHK’s primary point is that the consequences are NOT optional.

  52. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    (I don’t have much use for a person who has a degree in “comparative religion”, for instance.)
    One of my daughter’s dual-major degrees! And she’s not even religious. Along with Anthropology. And she’s not even interested in digging stuff up or doing cross-cultural research.
    I mean, bless her heart for sticking to it long enough to get the sheeple-skin, but if only she had paid attention during all the years I was saying “Study foreign languages. Study foreign languages.” Now she realizes the religion degree was a waste of time, and has no idea what good the Anthro will do her. It’s nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing’s wrong?

  53. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Yeah, okay, but isn’t there always cake? ;o)

  54. sooty April 9, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    I’m with Smokey Joe about college students. I’ve taught at a large university and for years have worked at an elite liberal arts college. The kids at this college are often remarkably accomplished, informed, and motivated to work for change; in the scheme of things they have a much better chance of being employed than most.They’re very bright, well-meaning kids. But–they’ve never cut the chord and learned to rebel. So many still make daily calls to mom and dad, who helicopter overhead, to decide what classes to take or to talk about their day. While quite a few of them understand that the food, political, and economic systems are in bad shape, economics is still the leading major; the recruiting visits by Goldman-Sachs alumni are well attended; any protests must be preceded by non-violence training. A few years ago a minor move to relegate student drivers of honkin’ new 12 mpg SUVs (bought my mom and dad to “protect” their little snowflake) to a less convenient parking lot in favor of those with more fuel-efficient vehicles was met with “we don’t want to punish or alienate anyone; educating people is more productive.” Well, it wasn’t.
    I just don’t see the prerequisite cojones for Jim’s scenario. Maybe the meek will in fact inherit the earth, but by the time that happens, who knows what shape it’ll be in…

  55. Steve M. April 9, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Yeah, right. Generation Xers tried to rise up against the system twenty years ago and it didn’t work. Nirvana’s ‘Nevermind’ LP is the only remaining artifact of our youthful rage. When Kurt Cobain died, our revolt died with him. So we shrugged, turned on our TV sets, and watched “Friends” for ten years. And most of us thought something was wrong with ourselves because we were living at home with our parents instead of rooming with cool, beautiful people in Manhattan. News flash: “Friends” was not a documentary!

  56. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    Not to mention the late fees and the interest on the late fees will certainly exceed runaway inflation.
    I only ever took out one small student loan and fees on mandatory minimum monthly payments that I was unable to pay in periods of unemployment ran my balance up quick. By the time I did pay it off I had paid back more than twice what I had originally borrowed. The experience taught me to avoid debt at all costs and today I’m happy to say I have none. The ‘low’ interest rate was not so low once payments were missed. I imagine its the same story today. I still remember the relief I felt when my balance was finally zero.
    It was truly bizarre when checks I would send would be returned because I had not paid the ‘minimum’.

  57. progress2conserve April 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    From Lbendet – who is still blocked by a 403 ban
    “A gift from a flower to the garden of Finzi-Continis
    Today on a most glorious spring day, I was running my daily laps around Washington Square Park, where I suddenly noticed big crowds of people and cops of every stripe.
    I thought this must be an OWSers special, but alas I was wrong…It was a giant pillow fight to take place and the Cops and EMS were all about.
    I finally had to ask someone what was going on and chose a NY State cop standing with an EMS cop and he went on to say that since 9/11 everything is on high alert. Whenever there’s a crowd this is the kind of coverage that is warranted and there are even plain clothes cops amongst the pillow fighters.
    He went on to say this is becoming a police state and this is just the beginning….(whoa)
    I asked him whether he thought the SCOTUS meets Abu Garib decision to strip search people for small infractions if arrested would lead to, ah…Abu Garib. I mentioned privatization of police and their pensions and he agreed that there’s going to be a lot of misplaced anger. —oh boy.
    He also said its all about greed and look who’s running for Pres.
    He said Obama had to win last time around because the world was furious at W. and Cheney. He said O did nothing for us and can’t do anything because he is told not to.
    –Out of the mouth of cops…
    Have a great Easter and Passover, folks—over and out
    —LB”
    “An addendum to my discussion with the cop: New York Magaizine’s cover story is : Has Ray Kelly Lost His Cops?
    It’s all about the numbers game and computerization called CompStat that is destroying morale in the force.”
    -Lbendet-
    Nice week’s work, JHK.
    I’ll be back with my own comments, later.
    ===========================

  58. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    “You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.” -Rick
    Well, that’s kinda tough shit, ain’t it? Reality/Nature knows [nor hearkens to] any political ideology. (Deep within his blackened and shriveled, nasty little heart, even Ulysses Roger Petersnapper senses that.)

  59. urp April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    ““Let’s tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only 10 percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after 20 years –- and forgiven after 10 years if they choose a career in public service, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college.” – President Barack Obama, January 27, 2010”
    And we’ll give them cake too. And free healthcare. And other cool stuff we haven’t thought of yet

  60. DreamCycle April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Loans, pew. Since my family had no money my college ed was almost completely funded by Pell grants and I graduated right before Reagan gutted the Pell grant program. In the 30 or so years since, I can say that I and most of my cohort, have been fully engaged in our economy, paying mortgages, purchasing goods, paying for services and giving as much as we can to various charities and causes. Many of us were also attracted to jobs where we could do some good, and not just do well. Most of this activity would have been next to impossible if we had been saddled with huge debts. To my mind, low to no cost education pays a much bigger dividend than we can even measure.

  61. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Hugh, I agree with you. My first post my have led you to think that by “passive,” I meant “slacker.”
    NO, that’s my generation, the Xers straight out of Kevin Smith’s Clerks.
    You wrote:
    “The problem’s not poor clay, it’s the potter. As parents, we’ve, and I’m speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids.”
    This is the problem. Howe and Strauss, while studying the affluent youth of Northern VA (as if there are not other kinds of Millennials) note it, too. They are protected and coddled and ushered from one planned activity to another by well-meaning Boomer parents. The Millennials have been told, from birth, that each of them is a beautiful and special snowflake and they will change the world.
    What a crock of crap. To continue with Tyler Durden for a moment (an Xer hero if ever there were one), what they needed to hear is “You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You’re the same decaying organic matter as everything else.”
    These Millennials are nice kids who collaborate, use technology well, and respect authority. Too much–they expect us to tell them where to stand, how to move from A to B to Z (with instructions at each letter in between). Raised on “Standards of Learning” that stymie critical thinking, they are passive.
    These kids, ill equipped to adapt to change, will inherit the debris their elders, including my Slacker peers, leave them. Not slack, these kids.
    Just passive, texting while the country goes to hell. And they are doomed, the minute their social hive online blinks and goes dark; JHK puts too much faith in them.

  62. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    We teach in different setting. Millennials are nice kids. They are eager, but they’ve been poorly raised and lack critical-thinking skills and flexibility.
    I worry about them.

  63. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    No that was then, this is now. Now its let them eat shit.

  64. Jim from Watkins Glen April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    Two things insist on constant growth as a measure of success: an economist and a cancer cell. Both eventually kill their host. Our host system of economics, now in its death throes, has had such a hold on our world view that we are unable to envision a viable succession plan. We turn to jackasses like Mel Gibson for the grizzly version, or Pat Robertson for the happy rapture ending. A more intimate, mundane daily slog is likely in store–as so well described by our host in World Made by Hand and The Witch of Hebron.

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  67. greyghost05 April 9, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses. My son came home from school and told me he is considering joining the service after he graduates next year. “But Dad,they’ll pay for school. Just like they did for you.” Not exactly what I wanted to hear. Go to school become a Doctor ! Being a Medic on an A Team doesn’t pay as well as a Nip Tuck out in the Hamptons. Go for the bucks !

  68. SDGreg April 9, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Wouldn’t another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we’ve become very dysfunctional at solving anything.

  69. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    I remember stopping by to see my undergraduate adviser many years after I had graduated. It was 2001 and I was returning for an advanced degree. He was happy to see me and when we talked he commented that he missed having students like me. I was surprised by his comment and asked him why. My belief at the time was that things pretty much always stay the same and only faces change.
    He explained that everything was different and all his new students cared about was partying and doing the bare minimum to get by. He missed students who were passionate about learning, like me.

  70. ccm989 April 9, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Obviously being a French Major is not a very good idea, especially if it comes with a $250,000 four-year price tag. I tell my children I will pay for college if they have a practical major like medicine, engineering, math, science, etc. No Women’s Studies, Fine Art Majors or anything like that.
    People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India. It’s probable that the world economy is in a Permanent Economic Contraction. Too many workers and not enough jobs. Especially with all US jobs being outsourced to third world countries so CEOs can continue to collect massive multi-million dollar salaries. Not just outsourcing factory jobs but Wall Street jobs as well. Anyone can use a computer anywhere in the world.
    Really don’t understand the mind set of the 1%. How much money does one person need? How many mega-mansions? The Paul Ryan budget is designed to make the super rich even richer at the expense of turning the rest of us into third world peasants. Who wants to live in a third world country? They are dangerous places but the 1% seems not to care. Do they think the extra tax breaks will allow them to wall us out so we can’t get to them? Greed has apparently blinded them and destroyed whatever conscience they might have had.
    What’s especially troubling is all the yahoos who want to make birth control IMPOSSIBLE to afford or even get. 7 billion souls live on this planet. 7 billion hungry souls who are all looking for 3 squares and a roof over their head. Nothing can wall out 7 billion desperate people. Doesn’t the 1% know how perilous they are making their own future? Desperation makes people crazy, dangerous and completely unpredictable. And if you’re desperate, you’ve got nothing to lose. Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?

  71. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    But that would require drive, ambition and a plan.

  72. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Gol’durnit, I was hoping you wouldn’t say that. ;o)
    (Sounds dee-lish, but how much nutritional value does this shit contain?)

  73. azgog April 9, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Since education has been turned into another for-profit racket, complete with inflated expectations and record expenses, we can expect another bubble style writedown. The analogy to the housing market is strong, except you can’t foreclose on a college degree or squat inside it as a last resort.
    Yet it remains very popular with the Banks because it can’t be discharged, is guaranteed by the Gov’t (aka the taxpayer) and most importantly gets the lender in on the ground floor of the young consumer’s future debt slavery.
    Students would be well advised to select their field of study with care – most of the fluff degrees will be worthless but there will continue to be a need for people who can actually do something, like sewer plant operators, food producers and pothole fillers.

  74. greyghost05 April 9, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Liberals ! Still seeking the puppies & kittens answers to the dark clouds gathering. Their BOHICA attitude is one of the many reasons that kids are coming out of school unprepared. Thank you NEA for setting the standards so low IQ’s don’t count. After all, it could be considered hurtful to reward little Johnnie WASP and not Kinta Jammiel Da Homie.

  75. stennerj April 9, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    jim, I totally agree with you about the swindle of higher ed. There Jre so many pointless degrees in gender studies and sport science that do not prepare students for anything useful. I have pointed my own son to go to the local tech college and study to be an electrical installer – a job with a future. My other son may train to be a teacher – another practical outcome. The dream is over and it’s time people woke up!

  76. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    As a so-called member of the so-called Gen-X crowd, I find it interesting to watch the generation “behind me” play out their angst. I agree, there are some nice ones, but scratch the surface further and you get anomalies like Facebook and MySpace (what’s left of it) and 4chan and other phenomena that boggle my mind. They have no concept of privacy, and it does stem from a lack of critical thinking, as I can’t count how many times I’ve seen “the next great generation” do stupid, vapid things that are against their own best interests. Here is a generation dumb enough to post about how great their party experience was while playing hooky from work, not expecting the boss to check in on them (a true story, by the way). Facebook boasts that they can detect affairs online before the “other” person can, Google would love to know more about the inside of my ass if I’d let them, and the concept of not getting a mutual masturbation session from a TSA agent is something they can’t comprehend, even though I fondly recall being able to board a plane at an airport without the public grope.
    Gen-X may have seemed disaffected with their “we’re doing our thing, buzz off” attitude, but at least they had a reason. They watched their parents get the shaft from “The System” (for you boomers out there, read as: “The Man”) via mass layoffs, dwindling union power, plundered pensions, decreased civil liberties, the incestant drumbeat of consumerism, and even now, the boomers madly scramble for scraps of retirement that are being siphoned away from them via Wall Street scams. Why do you think so many Gen-X were so reluctant to join a system that bent them and the knee with a jar of lube? “We” all knew what was in store for us, “we” all knew that delaying or resisting it as much as possible was the only civil choice we had left (as violence was a last resort, despite all of the cheesy 80’s action flicks that were spewed at us from Hollywood), and “we” either (a) ended up on the fringe eeking out our living, but living happily in lives that are fulfilling, or (b) ended up in the system, but have been very, very cautious about what things we sign off on, leery that the next piece of paper shoved in front of us to sign will be the same disaster our folks went through.
    Me, I didn’t make it through college (for literal lack of food) and ended up in the ‘burbs, but at least I ended up in the ‘burbs with a wood stove, a rack of wood hidden under a tarp, a back yard that gets enough sunlight to grow food, and quick access into – and more importantly out of – town. Gee, I wonder why I would choose to live like that? I carry my multitool with me in my pocket at all times, I have done scores of rides on mass transit (to where I know all the best ways around it locally), my unfortunate need for a car means that my car is used, low-miles, and in the back of my mind always considered disposable in the next 3 years, and last but not least, and I read a whole lot more about what is happening and what I need to do to keep my family from starving to death when this time comes. Next on the list, a functioning greenhouse prototype, decreased motoring / increased public transit, and teaching myself how to start a fire without the use of oil-based products. When’s the last time you started a fire with just a match, no “firestarter” logs and no propane insta-click lighters? How about starting the fire with no matches, just a flint and steel camping arrangement? Do you keep 5 gallon water jugs in your garage? Have you cooked on top of your wood stove? I do, and I have. Something to think about when the electrical infrastructure fails, which should be right around the time I’ve converted all of my digital data into printed copy, so no family photo or written text will be left behind.
    You underestimate us, and forget about us, because frankly, there aren’t enough of us to matter, despite the fact that we may be a better bet on the future. We recall what it was to be without computers, the internet, cell phones, and other constructs of our world today. We remember some of the lost cultural knowledge and have lived through the parts of history that most millennial still get wrong (you wouldn’t believe the number of times I’ve read something that was completely the opposite of what I lived through, and always by someone under 30). We’re not taking this any more idly than we did back in the 90’s. Many of us are doing rather than ignoring, things like alternative housing, urban farming, low-impact living, alternative or low-energy lifesytles, and on and on. We’re the folks silently getting ready and figuring out how to gracefully transition “down”, and as usual, we’re doing it without “The System”, thank-you-very-much.
    Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off.
    Naw, who am I kidding? Most of them can’t even get through the day without their Ritalin.

  77. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts…

    I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no “Like” between the draft and student loans.
    The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the “Selective Service System.” A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.
    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.
    Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.
    In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.
    In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don’t challenge authority.

  78. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    “Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?”
    Bingo — but its not exactly that their delusions trump reality. As long as there are people to generate the surplus on which they survive they prevail. That the surplus may not be enough to share with those who produce it is irrelevant to them. When life was miserable and cold and life expectancy on average was 32 years (the early 1800s) they had a surplus which allowed them to live very comfortably. Smallpox was the ‘poor mans friend’ which did not ravage those with an adequate diet and who on average were significantly taller then the poor.
    I have lived long enough to know that the lessons learned by one generation are frequently forgotten by the generations which follow. The social structure of the 0.1% however endures generation upon generation. That’s what Harvard and the Skull and Bones is all about, continuity.

  79. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    FORMATTING CORRECTION

    Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts…

    I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no “Like” between the draft and student loans.
    The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the “Selective Service System.” A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.
    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.
    Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.
    In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.
    In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don’t challenge authority.

  80. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    Ugh. Reading through my last post, I can see that the need for an edit-your-posting button. So many grammatical errors. My bad. Forgive a hasty posting done in the early morning.

  81. Norman Conquest April 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    I’m afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the ‘psychology of previous investment’. He has invested so much of his time and energy in his vision of the future that he cannot disinvest himself from his own predictions. One should note that virtually none of JHK’s prophecies have come to pass. We are, however, left with an ever diminishing present which is, in actuality, the future in real time. This is the Long Emergency, except that growing your own garden has been rendered unsustainable by the continuing, and growing, fallout from the Fukushima disaster. It’s no longer enough to say: “I have seen the Future, and it stinks!” This reality in which we already live, an endless financial depression coupled with an all powerful police state, already has the pervasive stench of terminal social decay. We needn’t wait upon the Future to turn our world inside out and upside down. It is already here and it’s infinitely more monstrous than any of us could imagine.

  82. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    No nutritional value but as one resource becomes scarce another of inferior quality usually takes its place. Technology occasionally finds a superior substitute but that actually rare. Oil is currently a great example. Oil comes in many forms but the EROEI or ‘nutritional value’ it has goes down every year.
    The transition from cake to shit is the normal course of events.

  83. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Just try and do the best you can. A post with grammatical errors is better than no post at all.

  84. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Hey, spammer! Next time, you might want to find a Polish to English translator before you copy and paste your ads. Actually, I hope there isn’t a next time for your commercial speech here. Bloody Viking!

  85. Ammond April 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Jim, I think you another class. Those of us who are over 60 are impacted also.
    “The burden of paying for college is wreaking havoc on the finances of an unexpected demographic: senior citizens.
    New research from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York shows that Americans 60 and older still owe about $36 billion in student loans, providing a rare window into the dynamics of student debt. More than 10 percent of those loans are delinquent. As a result, consumer advocates say, it is not uncommon for Social Security checks to be garnished or for debt collectors to harass borrowers in their 80s over student loans that are decades old.”
    washingtonpost.com/business/economy/senior-citizens-continue-to-bear-burden-of-student-loans/2012/04…

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  87. TrE April 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    Inflated expectations -> Dashed hopes.
    Deflation of those inflated expectations -> Long overdue.
    One Gen Xers perspective:
    What our Grandparents got right: Hanging together through truly trying times.
    What our parents got right: Letting their kids learn hard life lessons, drink from the garden hose, play outside unsupervised, but guiding us when necessary.
    What we’re getting right: Realistic expectations of society, of ourselves, and of life. Little or no sense of entitlement.
    What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I’ve read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, “OK. But what can we DO about this?”
    What our Grandparents got wrong: Four years fighting on distant shores did not actually entitle you to Happy Motoring & air-conditioned everything (thanks JHK)
    What our parents got wrong: Not realizing that investing resources in private spaces at the expense of the public realm has actually robbed us of our humanity.
    What we’re getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)
    What the Millenials are getting wrong: You aren’t actually owed anything. You never were. You aren’t now. And you never will be.

  88. ozone April 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    “You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses.” -GG
    I think that’s an “option” (as your son seems to entertain) that will be the final spasm of the paper empire: Food PROVIDED for enforcers only; everyone else will either dirty their hands or perish (even in the gulags, or especially so). Then it’s Orlov’s chaos when the “defensive forces” can no longer be paid in any tangible sense, and resulting various criminal organizations (your basic piracy) until the inevitable whittling down of the population to carrying-capacity levels.
    You could say that’s not a very good prognostication of growth and recovery. ;o)
    Drill, baby drill! (Overheard at an emergency dental clinic.)

  89. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    I have a couple of student loans. Should have been paid off a long time ago. But, I refinanced one and the company I did this with lost track of the accounting. Huge differences in the balance I thought I had and what they thought I owed. I haven’t made a payment on that one for about twenty years. The other was sold to HFC when the originating bank went out of business. HFC, for some mysterious reason which was never explained to my or THEIR satisfaction, changed the account number of the loan and THEY lost track of the account balance. Both have been hanging in mid-air for over twenty years.
    Have fun kids!!!

  90. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    It started out as Chinese and was translated to polish. The Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China or ‘Publicity Department’ is trying to hide their tracks.
    But then, your guess is as good as mine.

  91. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Nice post Quieteyes, I think you’ll find that most of the ol’timers on CFN have done all these things. Me, I can start a fire anywhere, anyhow, but while it is available I prefer a propane torch ;o) Water? Sheeeeet I’ve got a collection system that holds 550 gallons. Beans, Band-aids, and Bullets. You can’t go wrong with the three B’s

  92. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wen they have you firmly by the short-hairs its advantageous for them to change the account number and loose track of the account balance. When the dust settles you owe more money. How convenient.

  93. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wouldn’t another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we’ve become very dysfunctional at solving anything.”
    But, since NAFTA, CAFTA & Shafta, you just can’t pack up and go just anywhere. Most countries have minimum income and self support requirements now, meaning that THEY are not going to support you, you gotta be able to support yourself, WITHOUT taking a job away from a local person.
    But in the US, corporations can still bring in employees from India to displace the local talent.
    Dee

  94. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    To close out a thread from last week:
    Back in the day my wife and I were practicing Catholics (though I had abandoned any serious belief in key tenets of the religion and she entered churches not really to worship but more as a tourist/anthropoligist would enter a temple in an exotic foreign land). Nevertheless, our children were baptised, took catechism classes and were confirmed.
    Our articulate and serious minded young priest did not treat baptism lightly. We had to take a class one evening along with two other couples who were also preparing to have newborns baptized. To do justice to the subject of Baptism one could easily spend a semester but we three couples endured only perhaps two or three hours squirming on hard wooden chairs in the priest’s rectory office the highlight of which instruction had to do with Baptismal naming. A Google search in this regard reveals the following:
    “From the earliest times names were given in baptism. The priest is directed to see that obscene, fabulous, and ridiculous names, or those of heathen gods or of infidel men be not imposed. On the contrary the priest is to recommend the names of saints. This rubric is not a rigorous precept, but it is an instruction to the priest to do what he can in the matter. If parents are unreasonably obstinate, the priest may add a saint’s name to the one insisted upon.”
    At a minimum the priest recommended using the name of a good and beloved relative such as an Uncle. He added that the naming of children in general, apart from a Baptismal name, should not be taken lightly, not be obscene, fabulous or ridiculous. This admonition stuck with me and came immediately to mind (decades ago) when I happened to learn that the O. in O.J.Simpson stood for Orenthal and that a particular aunt had become the default go-to maker-upper of names for new babies in the family. The article I read claimed that these names were completely contrived out of thin air as you might imagine certain prescription drug names are conceived. To be fair Wikipedia says “His aunt gave him the name Orenthal, which supposedly was the name of a French actor she liked.”
    Apparently this practice of dreaming up names unconnected to anything relevant in the family of a newborn has become common in black culture. There was, for example, a professional football player, named Peerless Price. When asked how he got this name he told the story from family lore that his pregnant mother was sitting on the front stoop thinking about what to name the baby when a truck rolled by with “Peerless Furniture” painted on its side. The rest is history. Ironically, for all my thinly veiled derision of these odd contrived names, I like this one for its alliteration and the challenge of a reputation to be lived up to. *Peerless*
    Not only do these names come out of thin air but it is a virtual certainty that they will not be common in any way to the names of the majority anglo culture in which they and their ancestors have been surrounded (if not immersed) for up to 400 years. Unquestionably and understandably this is the result of a seething leftover animosity from slavery. One might have expected though, 150 years after emancipation and 50 years after the gains of the civil rights era, affirmative action, busing to achieve racial equality, school lunch programs, etc, that this animosity would have fizzled to some degree and there would be increasing signs of assimilation of blacks into the majority, dominant and original Anglo culture (setting aside the native American Indians long since overwhelmed).
    But no, the progress toward such assimilation has been paltry at best and may even be reversing. After all these years blacks and whites are still effectively speaking different languages (a pet peeve of mine). We know, for example, with 90% accuracy (my estimate) that an annonymous customer rep with whom we are dealing on the phone (sight unseen, obviously) is black. But if Jeremy Lin is on the phone we have no idea we are speaking to a Chinese American.
    This naming practice has become so thoroughly entrenched that we are actually surprised when when a black is named Tom, Dick, or Harry.
    The FRED essay linked by Vlad the other day made clear the effect of these contrived black names: the erection of an insuperable wall between blacks and whites.
    Asoka might say I’m delusional or paranoid. Buck might say “but consider the context, consider the rationale.” At random I googled up the rosters of several NBA and NFL pro teams (where I knew I could find a large number of black names condensed for me in one place [the NBA is 82% black]) and cherry picked these names: LaDainian, Plaxico, D’Brickashaw, Jamaal, Marquice, Darrelle, Dedrick, Jamarko, Amar’e, Deron, MarShon, Lavoy, Jamar, Joselio, DeSean, Jaiquawn, Trevard, LeSean, Asante, Jameer and Delonte. And now we can add to this list the non-athlete name Trayvon.
    I doubt there was once a mother explaining to her future black star athlete son (as my onetime priest would have had it) that he was named in honor of a wonderful, kind, generous and successful great uncle named D’Brickashaw Jones. Nor will you find, I would guess, a dozen white people in the entirety of the United States with any of these names on their birth certificates.
    Long gone, for the most part, are the names of black athletes from an earlier era like Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, [Sugar] Ray leonard and Thomas [Hitman] Hearns.
    For contrast, take this following list of 10 names I came up with by Googling “Famous Asian American Athletes.” B.J.Penn, Ron Darling, Dat Nguyen, Kristi Yamaguchi, Roman Gabriel, Apolo Anton Ohno, Hines Ward, Michelle Kwan, Michael Chang, Tiger Woods and potentially, soon to be added, Jeremy Lin. Some of these, mind you, were not born in the U.S. and were born before any intention to emmigrate had solidified. There is a genuine feel that the parents of these athletes wished to see their children assimilate into the dominant culture.
    Based on names alone, FRED’s proposition that blacks and whites are immiscible seems incontrovertable while this is not true of nearly all [other] immigrant groups. One group after another of wretced refuse from the world’s teeming shores arrived long after the blacks, were absorbed into the dominant culture, leaving the blacks willfully standing apart behind them.

  95. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    “People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India.”
    Say, remember when it was China & India trying to compete with the US? The US waz the GOAL!
    How sad.
    Dee

  96. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Money? What is this “money” that you refer to?

  97. Unconventional Ideas April 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Of course, in the long emergency, careers in the medical, engineering, math and science fields will remain firm, steady, and even grow, right? People who can “cut the mustard” would be wise to flock to those bastions of job security, right?
    How about a major in history with four years of Spanish (to the point of fluency), and four years of college athletics (track and cross country)? A stupid course of action, right?
    I mean in the long emergency, Spanish fluency, critical thinking skills, and an ability to organize and coach young people who want to compete and have fun, are all completely worthless skills, right?
    By the way, I have a daughter at a top twenty graduate school who is working on her PhD in math. She’s got it made, right?
    Unfortunately, that’s not what I’m hearing or seeing.
    At the end of the day, I suspect critical thinking skills might matter in the long emergency. But then again, I may be missing something.

  98. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard. You’re a Statist – exactly what the Founders warned us against.
    Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.

  99. CynicalOne April 9, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    PRD,
    Our child had an average amount of student loan debt until just recently.
    Her first two years were paid for by us and with scholarships. Then she “sat out” for over a year. When she went back to finish, she was newly unemployed and took out the student loans.
    We weren’t sure if she would stick with it and so we told her that if/when she got her degree, _then_ we would help her pay off the debt, which we have.
    We never advised her to default. We did, however, advise her to _never_ do that again. If it should ever make any kind of sense to go back to school in the future…find a way to pay as you go. No More. Debt. After numerous conversations on the subject and her knowledge of the predicaments some of her friends are in, I am convinced she
    “gets it”.
    We have removed this burden from her shoulders, but this was a one-time deal. She’s on her own now. Debt free. I hope she makes the right financial decisions from here on.

  100. laceration April 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    I’m not expecting the Millennials to rise up. From what I’ve seen in my local smalltown withering Occupy scene,the Millennials are the most underrepresented group. The most represented group are the baby boomers. The impetus torwards revolution from the baby boomers was actually just a small part of them, most were just part of the herd. The true radicals never bought into the fraudulent American Dream and have been pineing away all these years and were eager to reenlist in Occupy. I was present for one discussion where half a dozen boomers all found out they had each been part of the SDS in their youth. Another thing I noticed at the withering Occupy is that Americans expect others to do things for them. We are an infantile people. Change will only be something that happens to them. The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything, unfortunately people being what they are, I do not see this happening.

  101. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    urp burp! you should excuse yourself

  102. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    But college is where the best looking babes are, Jim. Besides, where else can you party for 5-6 years and have the government pay for it. Babes to hook up with, free beer, getting to sleep late … what more can you ask!!
    –WSP7

  103. mobocracy April 9, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    The larger problem here is “college syndrome” — the idea that EVERYBODY needs to “go to college”.
    In my opinion, it’s a cultural relic of a well-intentioned desire by parents of working class backgrounds 50 years ago to have their children not work on the assembly line or selling used cars “like we did”.
    The problem is, it no longer conveys an advantage because so many people go to college. A BA degree in any subject is largely valueless, and even in the narrow areas where it still conveys some value (law, medicine, engineering) it is fading quickly as more and more people grab MBAs or other masters degrees in an endless paper race for educational superiority.
    The other problem is the notion that “everyone should go to college” has is that it completely devalues blue collar careers at any level. I’m “college educated” and know electricians and plumbers I’d consider smarter than I am.

  104. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Most of the Millenials are dumb fucks to be sure. But at least some of them seem to be more racially conscious than either the Boomers or the Xers. Prejudice has given way to real knowledge based on real experience with Blacks and Browns. And all the attacks against Whites on Youtube aren’t hurting either. They know that the happy talk from the MSM on Race is just crap.

  105. Biased Observer April 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    “And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality.”
    So why are all of this nation’s woes the fault of Baby Boomers, especially this one? I am 58 years old. I went to high school from 1967- 1971. I CLEARLY recall that my entire high school class was “encouraged” (no; “pressured” is better) to go to college. I remember one teacher telling a class of us kids that if we didn’t go to college we could end up as “ditch diggers”. Hilariously, one classroom wit retorted that backhoe operator are paid very well, thank you!
    Understand, if you will that these teachers were then in the 30 year old and up range. So they would have been born around 1937 or, in many cases prior to that year. No, you can’t lay this one at the doorstep of “Boomers”. The education racket is a lot older than we are, and this nation’s demise was started prior to our coming of age. For example, I remember that the outsourcing of manufacturing was started as early as the 1960’s. It is not possible to have a healthy ecomomy without a healthy manufacturing sector. The good paying jobs were shipped out, and foreigners (Indians, primarily) were brought in to take what was left of semi-decent paying service sector employment (computer programmers, nurses, etc.)

  106. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    One more thing, on a more serious note. Bankruptcy does not get you out from underneath of a Federal student loan. I read recently — I can’t remember where — there are actually people serving sentences Federal Prison right now who tried to welch on student loans.
    In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere, in abandoned shopping centers and abandoned public schools, enlisting unqualified students (by he thousands) for the sole purpose of getting their hands on that govt. student loan swag. Many of the students are minority. These schools are not accredited, and the degrees they grant are worthless. Its really reprehensible, yet nothing is being done about it.
    –WSP7

  107. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Just a little tidbit for ya’ll to ruminate on. youtube.com/watch?v=dVVBtbFhDyg&feature=player_embedded

  108. Nickelthrower April 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Greetings,
    Here is a quick and amusing Millennial story.
    So my daughter brings her boyfriend over so I can meet him. He is going to a community college near here but wants to transfer to Berkeley. I pop out my Apple Itouch and show him where I downloaded all the classes I wanted to “take” from Berkeley and MIT. These are classes in electrical engineering which I used to teach myself electronics which I then used to start my own business. In as little as 3 years, I went from knowing nothing about electronics to producing a product that you guys here whenever you turn on the TV or Radio. (Aeorsmith, Miley Cyrus, Tyga, Glee, Turner Broadcasting, etc) The best part??? all free.
    I further went on to explain that the only reason I went to college was that the internet didn’t exist (as we know it now) so I had to go there to learn. Why, I asked, would anyone go into debt to learn something that they can learn online for free?
    Nothing I said mattered as these kids (my daughter included) are brainwashed into thinking that the only way anyone can learn anything is by paying lots and lots of money. If it doesn’t cost thousands of dollars then it must have no value.
    I really feel for this spoiled generation.

  109. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    who is saying anything about “free” health care single payer is just more efficient than a “for profit” system.

  110. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    get your own blog!

  111. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    Did you catch John Derbyshire’s article about “The Talk” he would give to his kids about Blacks? It got him fired from National Review. He has joined an august group of Conservatives who told the Truth and got the axe: Sam Francis and Joe Sobran to name two.
    Briefly and in a measured tone and charitable voice, he says everything I have said in the last few years. To wit, that while individual Blacks may be fine, in groups they are dangerous and destructive. What he doesn’t do is explore the social implications of all this as I have tried to do.
    Significantly, neither nor Fred Reed as White Nationalists since they both have married non Whites – Reed a Mexican and Derbyshire an East Asian.

  112. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Plus a lot of the classes in college today are internet based. There are even discussion threads where you can exchange ideas about course content. So if you dig Shakespeare and Chaucer, as opposed to ditches, you can read up on it, explore comments on your own, and formulate your own ideas.
    College is a scam used to take from the young and enhance, you guessed it, the big banks. When they start taking literally everyone who applies (can fog a mirror), the value of college goes down. Sounds like a redux of the housing bubble to me. Same shit, different day! Chao, for now, BITCHES!

  113. urp April 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    You mean like our “single delivery system” the U.S postal service?
    Oh yeah, those folks are extremely efficient. Ditto the Dept of Education, the EPA, etc. etc. etc.
    We are not bankrupt, as a nation, because the efficiencies of our innumerable “single delivery agencies”.

  114. Metzengerstein April 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Jim,this is going to sound strange too, but what would be really great is if Suze Orman could have you on her show! She rails against the banks and personal debt constantly and against the student-loan racket in particular. She still has an almost touching faith in capitalism, though — you might be able to push her over the edge into calling for your student-loan jubilee idea.

  115. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    get your own blog!

    I did! It does what it should be doing – collecting dust on a decript part of the internet!
    Seriously, if you’re going to use a reverse-privacy-diary, oops, I meant “blog”, then you might as well use it to teach or do something meaningful, besides posting brain farts.
    I gave up on it, partly because it seemed like a waste of time, and partly because no-one wants to hear or listen to some dumbass (i.e. me) pontificate about how you could make your life better and the lives of others better by actually doing something. It seems most people would really, really like to hear about how someone had to visit the local Emergency Room for an obstructed bowel movement, and share “the experience” of getting their first rectal exam.
    (obligatory link for the tl;dr crowd: a fine example of what not to post in public: cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262412 )
    I appreciate the dual-nature of your post – on the one side, you’re saying “get out of here and go elsewhere because we don’t appreciate your kind here”, on the other you’re saying “that was potentially interesting information, can you do it over here so it can be productive”. My response is, well, slightly sarcastic, but also slightly serious. I figured a dual-answer for a dual-proposition made sense. 🙂

  116. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    The Derbyshire Link:
    takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/#axzz1rSPpK2bA

  117. PRD April 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    @ KYOOSHTIK
    My wife works in an inner-city hospital. Nearly all of her Af/Am patients who deliver babies give them names no one’s ever heard before. Once, one of her patients gave her babies one of these odd names, then asked my wife: “How do you spell that?” My wife said, “How on Earth would I know? You just now made it up!”
    Ha ha.

  118. swmnguy April 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    I come from a family of higher education types. I’m the only of my 9 siblings to not have an advanced degree. The fact that I never completed my 4-year degree is something they can’t even comprehend. I’m no dumber or smarter than they are, I think. It’s just that at some point I realized it was a game, and I saw how it was played and how to win or lose, and I completely lost interest. I get along fine with my family. I lend them money, and don’t fret the repayment.

    All my relatives complain constantly about the current crop of kids. I can’t say they’re wrong. But I don’t think they’re right, either. Every new group of kids has different ways of communicating, and finds significance in different things. My son is 14, and he and his friends are the nicest, smartest group of people I know. Sure; right now they’re a lot smarter than dumb ol’ Dad, but every once in a while they drop one on me that shows me that they weren’t just listening; they were thinking, too, and they’ve added something I hadn’t thought of.

    The boy is an 8th grader in a Minneapolis Public middle school. On a recent morning he said, “Dad? What do you know about ‘passive construction’?” I said, “It’s how good liars lie.” He laughed, and said, “That’s what my English teacher said.” He picked up the local paper and scanned a story on Iran’s nuclear threat. He pointed out phrases like, “possibly,” “may,” “could,” “according to experts,” “It is thought,” and a hypothetical doomsday scenario spun by a “Security Expert.” He said, “This is all a pack of lies, isn’t it?” I said, “I don’t know, but you’re picking up the telltale warning signs. When you see that kind of language, you need to know to be careful.”

    He then read a story on the “improving” economy. He asked, “When they say retail sales are up, do they mean people are buying more stuff, or that prices are going up?” He followed that one up by asking, “Why is it good when credit goes up? Doesn’t that mean people have more debt? Isn’t that bad?”

    He marked up a couple of articles and cut them out. “Extra Credit in English,” he said. The Minneapolis Public Schools are clearly doing something right.

    He’s planning, as are a group of his friends, to go to local Community College and then see what they can do for education without getting caught in the debt trap. They’re talking about traveling right after High School, to get an idea of what it is to take care of one’s self, and have an idea of what hard living is, so they don’t sit around eating Cheetos and smoking dope, running up huge debt on a degree they only vaguely want because they’re told they should want it.

    They’re getting the idea that there isn’t any Santa In The Sky to take care of them, be it government or an employer or what have you. Moreover, that’s a good thing, not a scary thing. They’re learning that you can’t be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first. Whenever they find a metaphorical treat, they’re looking it over closely, to see where the hook is hidden.

    It’s easy, and alluring, to say the kids are all morons. When I was a kid, though, everybody watched “The Dukes of Hazzard” on primetime TV. We’re not that much dumber today. And the stretch between presented reality and actual experience is getting so wide; the cognitive dissonance so unbearable; the kids might not be keying on in the things that occur to me most naturally, but they’re seeing the things they need to see. They’ll do fine when it becomes their world.

  119. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    She also abruptly started talking about a year ago how people really don’t need their own homes to be happy. I think she takes her cues from her network higher ups. And they from their Banking higher ups. Shit rolls downhill and the hoi polloi must begin to lower their expectations. Helpful friends like Snooze are just the ticket.
    I don’t buy the lady next door image either. Lesbo is my guess.

  120. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    JIM!! Everyone, Id like to share a true and recent story!
    One SUNDAY at 6am I got a call, the caller sounded Filipino. Wanting a ‘Miss X’. Well she lived in the next building years ago.
    Then I ‘got it’. I have a landline and they got my # because hers is a cell and shes moved out of state. Well! They want her to pay her student loan!
    They keep calling but have promised 4X? to stop harassing me. This happened years ago with the Police calling me and bill collectors wanting to ‘speak to another neighbors gal pal’ [who was never on the lease].
    Will there be indentured serfs? Debtors prisons?
    6 am on a Sunday morning they called, and they keep saying they wont call me anymore.

    Listening to Rush now, he says there will be 4000? more IRS agents to go after the uninsured!!!!

  121. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    15 years ago a friend was getting his PHD in Physics at UCLA. He said the students were uninspired and showed up at his office to ask
    ‘grade grub’ questions.
    Perhaps 1 or 2 in a class were what he called ‘bright’. Overall they were ‘on their way to med school’if they could get in.
    UCLA = U C Lotsa Asians.
    Oh someone else claims UCLA is now mostly foreigners.

  122. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    I believe you. The times are extreme and thus bring out the extremes in human nature, both the good and the bad; the smartest and the stupidest; the survivors and the sheep. You are a lucky man to have such a son who has followed you into not being a follower.
    I’m reminded of what the Media do when minorities go on a killing spree: immediately emote how they hope there is no reaction. In other words, worry about what might happen and ignore what actually did happen. I think it was General Wesley Clark who said after the Fort Hood massacre: The real tragedy would be if multiculturalism in the military was hurt. So much for the soldiers who died. No Tragedy – they were just White Americans.

  123. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    ‘the idea that EVERYBODY needs to “go to college”.’
    Clinton in the 90s actually said just that.
    College seems to be a race to the bottom!
    PC group think, MECHA, Laraza, wetbacks [especially
    in this area] and especially the for profit schools, loan scams and online classes.
    Ill post a bit about the gang of 88, such monsters.

  124. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and these ones..
    rest of article is online:
    Whatever Happened to the Group of 88?
    By KC Johnson
    A few years ago, Cornell University spokesperson Thomas W. Bruce rejoiced that the Ivy League school had brought to Ithaca a man whose “distinguished background in contemporary global cultural studies,” and whose “unique perspectives and talents” would “add to the range of reasoned intellectual discourse at Cornell.”
    The professor about whom Bruce gushed was Grant Farred, whose latest contribution to “intellectual discourse at Cornell” came when he labeled two graduate students “black bitches.” One of the most extreme members of the Group of 88 (the Duke faculty members who issued a guilt-presuming public statement two weeks into the lacrosse case), Farred had denounced as “racist” those Duke students who registered to vote in Durham; and had wildly charged that unnamed lacrosse players had committed perjury. Duke’s settlement with the three falsely accused players shielded him from civil liability for the latter remarks. Cornell knew this record of contempt for the students he taught when it not only awarded Farred a tenured position, but promoted him to full professor, with a median salary of $154,300.

  125. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Rush rules! By listening while we post – we have an immense advantage over the rest of these postal workers. Last hour he told us how one of Bretibart’s Bright Boys went to vote and said he was Eric Holder. The Polling Person said no problema!

  126. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    They’re learning that you can’t be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first.
    ==============
    I doubt the public schools are teaching the positive aspects of anarchism. But from wherever they are learning it, I’m glad anarchism is not being presented in a negative light.
    Too many people confuse anarchism (a voluntary, nonviolent system of mutual aid) with anarchy (an involuntary state of disorder often imposed by violence).

  127. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    LOL – good point

  128. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Agronomy? Tripp might disagree.
    Nursing? The US imports nurses from Philippines.
    Theres a Filipino Nurses association here.
    The RNs are being pushed out by the LVNs.
    Nurses insist the FOBs [freshoffadaboat] have ruined the profession. ‘Filipino nurses that cant even insert a feeding tube’ is what one nurse said.

  129. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Did you catch John Derbyshire’s article about “The Talk”
    =============
    I just read it on your advice. I’m not surprised he got canned given the state of political correctness in this country. For God’s sake, all poor Jimmie the Greek said was “look at that monkey run” and that was the end of his career.

  130. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    You have made an excellent point. The long emergency will employ quite different skills than what people commonly worship and go ga-ga about now.
    Even if things were not to change which is impossible. The engineering, math and science fields have always gone through extreme boom and bust cycles. Engineering is far from being as stable a career as what is commonly believed. Some graduates get lucky and find stable positions. Others will go through layoff cycle after layoff cycle without end. Companies cut back R&D at the first sign of a bubble burst.

  131. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    If you all go to ‘The Obama Files’ and check
    the Fort Hood articles, well well well.
    Theres a soldier consoling the bereaved with a caption:
    DONT CRY MA’AM, HE DIED FOR DIVERSITY.
    Great pic at Taki [sites online again]
    ‘SHARIA FOR UK’.

  132. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Unfortunately, the for profit educational dynamic has infiltrated middle and even grade school curriculums. For example, a middle school administrator organizes a field trip to a far away locale such as Washington D.C. or Costa Rica. It is sold as an educational experience; a moment never to be forgotten . And it costs.a lot. In fact, it costs more than the actual expenses of the trip, because, you know, school districts are hurting blah, blah, blah.
    But the real cost of these for profit excursions posing as educational adventures is the stratification of a very young and impressionable student body. In other words, a divide of public school “ haves and have-nots”. Imagine the embers of emotional incineration left to burn in the psyche of tender public school age kids not wealthy enough to afford the expensive out-of-town trip embarked upon by their better off classmates.
    The American educational system as a whole is a for-profit tragedy with too many causes for fingers to point at.

  133. welles April 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything….
    …you can show people how to legally chop their taxes 50-80% and they won’t do it.
    “I’m scared I’ll get caught. I just want my big refund every year”.
    Good luck going up against that brick wall. Although the power is in the money. On the surface at least. If everyone stopped paying they’d simply print it anyway.
    which is why most taxes are **solely** a form of control.
    If the national debt is $15 trillion, and they gave the banks $10 trillion, where they fuck did the $10 trillion come from?
    answer – just invented on someone-in-power’s keyboard.
    …and if they can give them $10 trillion just like that, why the fuck do they need to collect $1.6 trillion annually in income taxes? so only a piddling 16% of what they just ***handed*** to the banks?
    stop thinking they care for you, you are Soylent Green.
    peace peaceniks
    ps planted two trees today, they are comfortably fighting climate change and providing shade while we sit and sip cold beer beside them.

  134. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    A funny story about American educational system. In the fifth grade most students in my state go on a bus trip to Washington D.C. After looking over the intinerary, one woman confronted a fifth grade teacher who was helping to organize the trip. She said, “You all plan on visiting the National Mall? I’m not paying for any trip just so that you all can do some shopping!”

  135. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    The American Millenials, Xers, Boomers, et al. are all too disoriented, effete, lacking in character, lacking in knowledge of history, lacking in understanding, and in general have too small of a responsibility level to take any effective action as regards where this country is going. There will be no revolution at the dem or repub conventions.
    The masses will continue to allow themselves to be processed through the cattle chutes into the slaughter houses.
    The totalitarian forces are in control and growing.
    A crisis is needed and will occur in time.
    When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn’t work. It was terribly perverted from its original form.
    A small group of intelligent and responsible individuals (as is always the case) will pick up the pieces and build a new system that brings us to a higher evolution.
    Ron Paul is using this presidential campaign to educate our youth not to win the presidency. He has vision.
    We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn’t move in when the system collapses.

  136. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    The kids are dimmer than any generation before them, but look who raised them. Youngsters are running up massive bills not just on tuition from for-profit diploma mills that make human resources people laugh when they see them on resumes, but they are borrowing money to live on.
    You may have noticed that almost all the private universities are building hyper-luxurious residence halls for their undergrads. Gone are the days when students bunked two or even four to a small room furnished with beds, small desks, and the student’s hot plates, microwaves, computers, and plastic cubes holding belongings. That’s not good enough for today’s pampered pups. They must have a private room in a luxury high rise residence hall with a completely equipped kitchen and laundry facilities on each floor, spa facilities, and every entertainment technology available. This wouldn’t be possible if students were paying as they went. They are rolling up daily living expenses, including expenditures for a new i-phone or i-pad every 9 months and of course an auto, into their college loans.
    Nobody ever taught these kids about compounding interest or what kind of job you can get with what kind of degree and that you will never get back the $90K you borrowed for that degree in Romance Literature or Women’s Studies or Comparative Religion.
    I will conclude by issuing a strong warning to anyone considering defaulting on student debt:

  137. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    “We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn’t move in when the system collapses” IM
    And just how do you plan on keeping Mr. Krantz in his mother’s basement?

  138. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    That reminds me, Does anybody know where I can get some soccer shirts??
    –WSP7

  139. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    But, but, if I borrow $100k today, in twenty years $100k will be what $5k is now, if inflation creeps back up. That may make college tuition a relative bargain :O)

  140. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    Accidentally hit enter, sorry.
    Anyway.
    DO NOT, NOT, NOT DEFAULT ON YOUR COLLEGE DEBT UNTIL WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS!!!
    Why? Because you do not have the same rights that any other type of debtor has and creditors are allowed to do things to you that they haven’t been able to do to any other type of borrower since 1964. They can call your employer and your relatives. They can garnish your paycheck for almost any amount of money and they will too. They can charge a “collection fee” of 25% of the loan balance every single time you are even late with a payment- that’s how a balance that starts at, say, $9000, can balloon to $75,000 in two years. Your fees are compounding at 25% if you miss repeated payments!!!! Your creditors can and will put as many negative entries on your credit report as they please. Your interest will be raised every month- there is nothing keeping the issuers from doing this. You will be rendered unemployable in the field you trained for.
    Please do whatever you have to do to maintain the payments while you fight for changes.
    Go to http://www.studentloanjustice.org to read about efforts to obtain justice for student borrowers, and please read the hundreds of harrowing stories from people who are trapped in endless nightmares of collections, garnishments, and harassment, all legal, from college lenders. Really, really read these stories before you borrow money, if you haven’t signed those loan docs yet.
    Good luck and keep fighting for changes in the laws.

  141. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Look no further. You is arrived.

  142. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    If you borrow $100K now, it will have ballooned to about $825,877 within 10 years after figuring in interest rate hikes, “collection” fees of 25% of the balance because you were 2 days late with a payment, or got sick, or got laid off, or something.
    Go to the site I referenced in my previous post. If those stories don’t scare the shit out of you, then education is wasted on you.

  143. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    And what’s to become of college sports atheletic teams when degrees in Women’s Studies and Comparitive Religion are no longer offered? You weren’t under the misguided impression that all those hunks working it on the court and football field were majoring in Physics or Nuclear Engineering, were you? C’mon, get real. This is America! We want our beer and Cheezdoodles! You okay wid dat?

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    And yet over here……nuthin’ but crickets.
    May as well be …uh, 10 Brazillion dolares.

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  147. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    Told ya

  148. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    And the magic word was…Soccer Shirts! Down comes the duck. Widespread collects the $200 bucks.

  149. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if “we the people” actually understood our power, reached a consensus, organized and took action despite all discomfort and inconvenience? Pure civil disobedience?
    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everyone just stopped paying their taxes until certain demands were answered by our government (namely removing all corrupt Congresspeople; stopping insider trading within Congress; cancelling their special pension and health plan and forcing them to use our; implementing term limits; abolishing lobbyists; implementing a program to dismantlet The Federal Reserve; instituting a commodity or gold based currency system; some Constitutional amendments; returning power and sovereignty to the states; dismantling the military-industrial-congressional-think tank complex; reduce the size of the Fed Govmt by about 75%; etc. etc.)
    Wouldn’t it be great if the people stopped using credit cards and taking out loans and reverted to cash transactions to break the grip of the financial elite? This wouldn’t take long before the whole debt as money system collapsed.
    Ahh… a nice dream.

  150. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Ok. You asked for it…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L–cqAI3IUI

  151. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Everyone should learn to make their own juju juice. It’s Medicine!

  152. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    I wonder what would happen if somebody actually tried to buy one?

  153. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    People should have known that ol’ Nickie wasn’t a raciss. I mean real Monkeys can’t run, can they?
    Soon it will be respectable to be out of the closet. Get in on the ground floor Q. The Elevator to the Penthouse wont wait. Elvevators and Tides wait for no man – not even a King.

  154. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Ahhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
    Maybe setting the meme loose here and now and watching it go viral might not be such a good idea.

  155. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    “The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for ‘trying.'”
    You can keep the “trying” award.
    I’ll take the future where you can stumble through high school and whatever series of menial jobs you procure is still enough to raise a family of four in a house of your own.

  156. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    You signed on the dotted line. You agreed to the terms. You need to honour your word and pay the loan off in full. No excuses. No exit.
    If it didn’t work out for you. Too bad. You just paid for an expensive lesson.
    There are no victims.

  157. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    The website is a bit confusing, hit the victims tag and then pick a state.

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  159. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    We must dismantle the whole system starting with Grade School. Return to home or very small schools by people we know. Return to the McGuffey Readers – the last two volumes of which are beyond most “college graduates”. They used to be mastered in the 7th and 8th grades.
    Things like the internet’s free Khan’s Academy are also excellent once the basics are mastered.
    Other than that, no internet or TV should be allowed. We mustn’t let children become like we are – human wreckage. Humility is the cornerstone of all Virtue. And what is intelligence without virtue? It inevitably sells out to something. The intellect per se is a whore after all. Some sell out for money and others, ideology. Most need a religion. Only the few can find enough meaning in Philosophy itself to remain pure of heart.

  160. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    You are, like, freaking me out. Is there some failure to understand the concept of not having any collectible assets?

  161. newworld April 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    Liberals from what I deduce from the last few inititives taken by your side, you’re screwed.
    OWS, Sandra Fluke, Trayvon Martin all have ended in disaster and scorn for your side. Soon you guys will be eating the seed corn, meaning that your monetary rackets are gonna go tits up, like the education over paid professors’ racket.
    As you fine folks go tits up do us alt-righters a fav and take movement conservatism with you.

  162. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    I’ll agree with you but demanding fees be kept within reason is also reasonable. Some disreputable financial institutions are taking advantage of the collection powers of the federal government. Quite obviously some of these ‘terms’ were not agreed to or disclosed and misinformation in order to increase fees has certainly been going on.
    Caveat Emptor

  163. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    Hmm. Alt-Right takes me to Desktop #2. Is this a coded transmission?

  164. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    Yahoo has downsized news….12,000$ house [they did the labor] 4 people live there:
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    Moving their family from a 1,500-sq. ft. home to such a small space was a major downsize, but one reaping big savings.
    Their space is small and insulated, resulting in an electric bill of around $40 a month.
    They have also been able to bank Hari’s entire salary each month. Their “Tiny House” is part of their bigger plan to build a mortgage-free home.
    That home will still be small, but Hari says it will be large enough to at least find space to be alone (and perhaps add a bathtub).

  165. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard.

    Only in your fevered imagination, Impaler. In fact, I’ve written about when I considered buying a gun myself on my blog. Here’s what I posted on May 16, 2011.
    The last year I lived out in the country, the deer ate my shrubs up to the seven foot level. Good thing they were eight feet tall at the time. I vowed that if I were still in my house the next firearms deer season, I’d finally break down and buy a rifle and a deer hunting license. Fortunately for the deer, my house sold that April, so I didn’t have to follow through.
    Hey, I was a Republican for 22 years. Some habits die hard.

    As for what I was saying, instead of what the voices in your head told you, it was that the security people were banning things that the anarchists of the Occupy movement would use, which are merely annoyances, but let the really dangerous stuff that conservatives carry be permitted. I thought it was ironic and perverse, although if that’s the way they want to do business, they can go right ahead.

    You’re a Statist – exactly what the Founders warned us against.

    Sorry, Impaler, I went to the University of Michigan, not Michigan State. 😛

    Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.

    Interesting how you bring up the Hutaree right after you mention cornpone fascists. As for their being let free, nah, not a problem for me.
    Say, Impaler, why don’t you click on through to my blog (link in the very first comment I posted today) and comment there? After all, if I’m going to fight you, I may as well get some page views out of it.

  166. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Widespread collects the $200 bucks.
    ===============
    ^This^ is akin to a double negative. You should write either:
    . Widespread collects the $200.
    or
    . Widespread collects the 200 bucks.

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  168. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Well, I certainly feel totally screwed. We were some of the stupid ones who paid for our kids’ college books, tuition, room/board, etc. They have no loan debt. This is after home-schooling them from 8th grade on, and still paying outrageous property and school income taxes. Two of our kids graduated Magna Cum Laude, although I never could tell they had actually learned anything other than how to tow the college line and spew out literate bullshit on command. I will delight in seeing the colleges fall and hope it’s really messy.

  169. welles April 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    we don’t need grammar ninnys here, plainspeak’s plainspeak ‘n understood.
    useless…must be a ‘teacher’
    peace peaceniks

  170. wardoc April 9, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    The image of all the pompous but worthless college professors with PhDs in worthlessness being paraded around wearing dunce caps is outrageously grand. So is the image of them trying to feed themselves by gardening. Perhaps they can be lined up all around the local neighborhood so when the gangs arrive to loot, rape and pillage, the former savants will be the front line. They can even use harsh language to fend off the gang members for a while, giving the rest time to arm themselves and get into defensive positions, while the gang members roll on the ground laughing. Yes, that might work !

  171. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    Agree with you whole-heartedly. Of course, North Dakota is one of few remaining bastions of common sense left in the US. Our childrens’ majors were all “useful”, including the child who majored in Military History. He’s, unfortunately, in the military and finding out that he’s not a born politician, which you have to be to make it in anything connected with the government. We have one nurse, one veterinarian, two electrical engineers, one mechanical engineer and one geologist. Latter is rather iffy since most geologists are employed in energy-related fields which Obama is trying to crush. I was a history major, also, and sincerely understand the drive to learn more about it. However, it’s not a saleable major.

  172. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Obama’s already steamrollered them, so maybe they will vote for Romney since they think an unknown entity is better than the one who already screwed you. I’m going to skip voting this year, since I have no liking for any of them.

  173. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    I guess I got overly excited with bucks and ducks rhyming and all.

  174. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    we don’t need grammar ninnys here
    ============
    You regularly fail to capitalize the first letter of your sentences.
    What is the sense of aiming for a lower quality communication rather than a higher one?

  175. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    If you haven’t looked at the link provided to us by Ms. Laura, it’s worth a looksie. I pulled it up expecting to see heart breaking stories from the Millineals, but instead read some “victim” accounts by folks who took out student loans in the…drum roll please…l980’s! One “victim” is still being hounded. The gubment is threatening to hold back her Social Security (she’s 65!) Evidently there is no statute of limitations on these loans. They keep adding on interest to principle so that a $3k loan becomes a $30k loan after a few years.
    Still, they can’t put all Millineals in jail, can they? I mean, if you can’t pay, ya can’t pay. Like trying to get blood from a turnip. And as we all know, these loans can’t be discharged through bankruptcy, so what do they want? Your first born? As my Vietnamee sister-in-law would say, “peas, give me blake!”

  176. Rick April 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    I agree Jim. All I see lies, people with their head in the sand, denial, etc.
    Here are some things I see, that make it very apparent, things are getting worse, so the propaganda machine, comes out in force, to cover up the truth.
    First, the other day on NPR, Simon Johnson of Baseline Scenario, is claiming the the US has always been in debt, and the short of it, we should not worry. BS, and propaganda. What do you expect from an MIT person.
    NPR, has had a bunch of shows, discussing high gas prices. Their guest are a bunch of industry kiss asses, who don’t tell the truth, or they just hint at it. Also BS, and propaganda.
    I know plenty of young kids, who are still planning on going to college, and some who are getting out soon, and going to the military, how stupid are these people.
    In short, too many in the US, think the party is still going strong, because they are being lied to, though some have their heads in the sand. The party ended long before 2008, 2008 was the wake up call no one heard. The fools are too busy texting, or on Facebook.
    This is going end very badly for many.

  177. Mike Moskos April 9, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Jim hasn’t been following the news closely . . . There will be NO protests at the upcoming political conventions. Bush 3 (Obama) and CONgress have made it a FELONY to protest anywhere near someone who is under Secret Service protection. Here’s one link: soarclub.com/2012/03/felony-protest-in-front-of-government-official/
    The Feds have been passing all kinds of bills like this recently; me thinks they’re preparing for martial law once Uncle Ben finally destroys the currency.

  178. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    Yes you are right the party began ending for the average American long before 2008. For the corporations that run the world and quObama their chief cheerleader the band plays on.

    Furthermore the disparity between the rich and the poor in the United states in 1990 for example was increasing, and it is undoubtedly still doing so today. Between 1977 and 1989 the average after-tax incomes of American families on the bottom fifth of the income ladder fell some nine per cent, the next fifth fell 6.5 per cent, and the middle fifth about 4.5 per cent. Only the top fifth was spared. In fact the incomes of the highest reaches of the top fifth soared, with those of the top 1 per cent doubling. Between 1978 and 1995 the mean income of the richest five percent in the United States rose 24 times that of the poorest 20 per cent, a ratio unparalleled in the industrial world. The ratio between the salary of a CEO and that of a shop-floor worker went from 39:1 in the late 1970s to about 1000:1 today.

    Too Smart For Our Own Good – page 391

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  180. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    As far as I can tell, For Profits thrive most where
    they can get peeps of legal age to ‘sign the loan papers’.
    In the 1980s it cost 100$ and a few hours of training to get a Massage Therapists license.
    Now its 1000s of dollars and months of training.
    I know someone whos wife works at [natural ‘college’]. They get folks from the hood to sign the loan papers, and dont say the jobs arent there.
    Certificate programs in Hypnotherapy etcetc.
    Be a private trainer, etc.

  181. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Paying for a university education is equivalent to spending an exorbitant amount of money for an automobile that doesn’t have an engine, transmission or a steering wheel.
    First of all the educational system is government controlled. No more need be said. Secondly, the people that run and/or work within our government, financial sector, business sector, etc. are all the products of our educational system. Our country is failing = our educational system failed us.
    Academia as it exists is a joke. Pompous, effete and out of touch people. Most curriculums are worthless and are far removed from reality or applicability.
    The majority of students graduating from universities really don’t know how to study, how to research, how to communicate or how to make their way in the real world.
    Most any individual that was a great person, in that they contributed something to humanity, never went to a university or quickly dropped out and engaged themselves in the real world.
    Yes we need dentists, doctors, engineers and such but they can be trained quickly in a trade school. It doesn’t have to take spending a fortune or eating up so much time to get to a level of competence.
    I so look forward to the collapse of the government run education system. Goodbye Yale, Harvard, Stanford and all of you other scams.
    Home schooling, internet education, seminars, workshops, webinars, books and apprenticeships is the new future for education. Workable, practical and inexpensive and yielding results… people who understand the basics of life, track with reality and can make their way in the real world.

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  183. newworld April 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Yes sir “alt-right” basically stands for non-reactionary non-corporate right wing politics, and not necessarily “nazi” as the more reactionary and feckless people on the left imagine.
    Alt-right race realist without 19th century white supremacy intentions. Open to reading and debating what JHK has to say and often agreeing with him.

  184. bubbleheadMarc April 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Just read the essay for the week. I must disagree this time Jim. The vast majority lack the ability to blame their lack of success on anyone but themselves. They won’t be able to rebel until well after they’ve already fucked themselves by attempting to play the game for too long, even though it’s a rigged game and they don’t have a chance. Perhaps 20% are capable of dropping out and trying something outrageous. The rest are nothing but sheep.

  185. welles April 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    communication does not degrade simply because of non-capitalized or irregular spelling.
    it adds flavour to otherwise dull affairs.
    ask ee cummings
    we don’t need rehashing of tyred old rules, we need
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    has english grammer and spelling always been standardized? no.
    so don’t make it yet another untouchable national historical site dead in its past.
    peace peaceniks

  186. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    [sarcasm on]
    Yeah, if we could just get rid of all those pointy-headed intellectuals, those Jews, those coloreds, those lesbo femi-nazis, those gangs, those unions, those communists, those pacifists, those anarchists, those atheists, etc., then this country would again be like it was in the 1950s segregated, Jim Crow-whites-in-control, women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.[sarcasm off]
    I lived through, or I should say survived the 1950s, and I never want the country to be like that again. We’re much better off with a Black president, who taught constitutional law, than with the era of the McCarthy hearings, witch hunts, and coat hanger abortions.

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    touche very well said, finally a thought worth seconding.
    grand canyon of disconnect between academia/college and real-world needs.
    per your point, one could be trained in 6 months-1 year to do many of the professions that requires years of drudgery and pointless expense.
    peace peaceniks

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  191. progress2conserve April 9, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    JHK, this week’s post deserves extra E’s!
    It’s entertaining!
    But the idea of the Millennial Generation rising up en masse, and making the Repub and Dem conventions vanish in a haze of smoke from burning loan documents – that’s pure fantasy.
    First problem is – what’s a Millennial?
    Wikipedia gives us this:
    “Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation (or Millennials or the ME generation),[1][2] Generation Next,[3] Net Generation,[4] Echo Boomers[5], or Hipster Generation is the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the Millennial generation starts and ends, and commentators have used birth dates ranging somewhere from the mid-1970s[6] to the late 1980s, early or mid 1990s, or as late as the early 2000s.[7] The most common range reflects births from 1980-1999 giving a child born in 1980 time to grow into adulthood and be able to reproduce their own offspring at the turn of the millennium. One segment of this age-group is often called the “eighties babies” generation, in reference to the fact that they were born between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 1989. [8][9][10] Members of this generation are called Echo Boomers, due to the significant increase in birth rates through the 1980s and into the 1990s, and because many of them are children of baby boomers….”
    -wiki-
    Whoa. Too much thought. That made my head hurt. Since I’m a middle Boomer, my hurting head makes me want to light a doobie and meditate.
    Too much thought for a Millennial kid makes him want to text his/her friends on a cell phone or hurry to Facebook. Then our typical Millennial will search for and successfully find a cup to pee in – in an effort to prove himself drug free and thus eligible for employment and for continuing license to life.
    My point for JHK and the CFN thread – Sorry, folks, a Revolution based on contact by Social Media, and from the most acquiescent generation in United States history – it’s just fantasy.
    Thanks to you for the week’s work, though, JHK!

  192. BeantownBill April 9, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Nope, I can’t agree with you on this. It is true that many curricula are just padding. We don’t need to study for 4 years to get a bachelor’s degree in many cases.
    However, some very valuable professions need at least the 4 years and maybe more. I wouldn’t let a dentist with 6 months to a year’s dental education touch my teeth. Would you want a doctor with a year’s medical education perform brain surgery on you, or heart surgery?
    Any field of study in math, science and engineering requires more than a year’s education.
    So while you make a point, I wouldn’t make it a blanket point. Why don’t you list those fields of study that CAN be learned in one year or less?

  193. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Vlad, Rush would have no chance against Battra, Mothra and her tiny priestesses, who speak for, and protect, the Earth.
    Even Godzilla failed.
    youtube.com/watch?v=4bhoWfC1L9k

  194. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere…
    Isn’t that amazing? Talk about an American-style racket-and-swindle!

  195. welles April 9, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    that’s why i said ‘many’.
    many types of nurse, dental assistant, mechanic, plumber, programmer…these can all be learned in a year or less. obviously people’s skills ripen on the job too, not saying that you’re superduper right out of the box.
    obviously not civil engineer or surgeon, that is self evident.
    even four year curricula only actually study for 2.5-3 years if you deduct the vacation time between years.
    peace peaceniks

  196. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    JHK says:
    The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.
    A very provocative suggestion. My understanding is that the leadership of the Occupy movement is beginning to think along similar lines…

  197. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    In the Long Emergency, the most important skills will be the ones best suited to scarcity industrialism.

  198. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    According to the Chinese translation of David Shambaugh’s book “China’s Communist Party: Atrophy and Adaptation”, over the past 20 years, China has embarked upon an extensive analysis of how and why the former Soviet Union and the Communist countries of Eastern Europe collapsed.
    The conclusions of many of the Chinese academics as to the causes of the collapse of the Soviet Union and other Communist countries quite accurately describe current conditions in the U.S.

  199. dug77 April 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    Dream on Jim. It’s a bit dichotomous isn’t it to in one post point out the millennials as being tattooed, ear ringed and seemingly disconnected from the obvious, and then expect them to somehow coalesce into a cohesive group focused on their lack of a future against the most incredible odds in history? I don’t think so, but it was a nice thought.
    History can make a good case that peonage has been the American way since her inception – and that it’s going to continue to it’s logical end A slow decline that is almost imperceptible to the majority (as it is now), then fade to black. When it gets bad enough, insurrection may be much more personal rather than organized and directed upward. Of course that end might take a while.
    There is no mystery to where America, or any other country that has sold its soul likewise, is headed. It’s all happened before in different dress, and it doesn’t take much more than an honest look around and common sense to figure the outcome.
    Remember that 2008 is already forgotten – and nothing changed.

  200. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    The cover story of recent issue of Time Magazine is entitled “The Truth About Oil”.
    The article’s only source of information is the spokesman for the oil industry lobby.
    You can’t make this shit up…..

  201. dug77 April 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    Americans aren’t makers, they’re takers.

  202. ozone April 9, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Shhh! Don’t give the Lords of Idiocracy any survival tips! We need them to keep getting the very worst advice that can be had, and it appears they’re loading right up on it. If they’re doing their best to destroy themselves, please don’t interfere. ;o)

  203. Tark April 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    I’m not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago. I did it because it was too much of a burden to pay for something that really didn’t cover most of my college costs anyway. I never had enough for pesky and expensive things called books.

  204. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    “I’m not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago.”
    I think that George W. Bush, Jr. made student loans non-dischargeable debt, which can’t be cleared by declaring bankruptcy?

  205. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    I know! I know!
    Philosophy and comparative religion.
    Only about 11,000 years of history and hundreds of classics to consider with thousands of nuanced arguments. Should take about six months. NOT.
    Unfortunately, on CFN most people do not consider philosophy and comparative religion to have “value,” because the kind of activity it engenders is not paid with pieces of green paper.
    Sad how fall we have fallen in our idolization of money and our conclusion that fields only have “value” if they result in good-paying jobs.

  206. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Tark:
    Those reasons that you give for defaulting on your loan are called JUSTIFICATIONS. They aren’t valid reasons… they are just reasons that you’ve come up with to make yourself right for not being worthy of trust.
    What sort of a life would you have had up to this time if everyone that you dealt with and depended upon didn’t keep their word?
    Pay your loans! You agreed to do so and you signed your name. If it is impossible to pay your loans, then you need to find a way of making amends. How can you ever hope to be financially successful if you have broken agreements like this in your past and hanging around in the dark recesses of your consciousness waiting to foul you up.
    If the lender isn’t around any more, then earn the money you owed plus interest and give it to a deserving charity or something.
    Develop some character. Develop some pride man.

  207. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    asoka:
    It just so happens that we live in a society in which 9/10’s of life are ECONOMIC. It takes a lot of money to have a decent standard of living and raise a family. THAT is why education is aimed at giving one a marketable skill or profession.
    If you have a patron, parents who will support you all of your life, a trust fund, you’re a welfare recipient, or you live in a tree and survive on moss and mushrooms, well then I guess you’d be able to spend 8-10 years studying Comparative Religion or Philosophy and get your Phd.
    I pose a question… look where our world is today. Religion and philosophy hasn’t done a very good job, despite the fact they’ve had thousands of years to do so. Something is missing there.
    I’d rather know someone who can start a business and create jobs so that people can feed their families, or a chiropractor who can realign your bones, or someone who can fix my car. Anything but a Religionist or Philosopher.

  208. urp April 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    I know someone who worked at a maternity ward. One of the patients overheard one of the doctors discussing some of the clinical details of the birthing process. Later when the nurse asked her what she was going to name her baby the new mother replied, “Placenta Maria.” Duhhhhhhhhhhh…..

  209. skookumwawa April 9, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    This idea of student-loan debt refusal isn’t bad, but will be part of a much larger movement: debt-refusal, period. People (of all ages) waking up to the simple injustice of being saddled with high interest personal debt when B of A, Chase, and their ilk not only go scot-free, but get rich and richer at the expense of struggling ordinary folks. “Where’s MY bailout”, rises the cry. Nowhere in sight. Bank robbery is the robbery the banks do (through the interest-money system and “too big to fail”) to us.
    November 5, 2012: Debt Refusal Day.
    Of course debt-refusal is an ongoing act, and an *inevitable* one as millions of people find they simply do not have the income to fend off the sharks of the debt and collection industry. But symbolic one-day events can bring people to the realization that there is enormous power in the action of many together.
    The interest-money system is nearing its end, the only question is the specifics. Best and most hopeful treatment of this entire arena is Charles Eisenstein’s “Sacred Economics”: realitysandwich.com/homepage_sacred_economics

  210. Alannala April 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    ah what would monday be without the fire and brimstone of jhk’s effusive bombast!

  211. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    Don’t you dare skip voting. You know OBama is a dangerous spend-thrift. A glass of fucking orange juice would make a better President. You get off your ass and go vote for the orange juice. And take about 20 voters with you.

  212. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Antioch Ohio went bankrupt and is giving away 200? full scholarships!
    Antioch LA [100K?] offers majors in Lib Studies and GLBT ‘studies’.
    transgendered studies..hawhawhaw

  213. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    I have to laugh at those who just say “Just stop paying your taxes”, like you can go down to accounting and tell them to stop withholding taxes. Sorry, but they can’t, they are legally obligated to with hold something, if you are receiving a paycheck, and send it on to the IRS.
    Now, if you are part of the ‘cash 7 carry’ economy, perhaps you are not paying taxes, but for those of you that work for a business or corporation, or some other entity, and get paid with a check (or autodeposit), you WILL have taxes withheld, and there really isn’t much you can do about it.
    No, not even claiming all your cats or dogs as dependents. You now have to show a social security number for each one. Kinda hard to get one for a pet, and also illegal. But good luck trying it….
    So, for those who say “Just quite paying taxes”, why don’t YOU kindly post just how YOU go about not paying taxes IF you aren’t part of the ‘cash & carry’ economy and instead get a paycheck each week….
    Go ahead, tell us how…
    Dee

  214. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    So banks and lenders are supposed to loan money without interest? In other words for free? That makes a lot of sense. You’re obviously not a Capitalist. What are you a Commie? Socialist? Fascist?
    Collection people are sharks for trying to collect the money that people promised to pay but didn’t?
    I love this idea of borrowers saying they are being “harrassed” when a lender tries to collect on an upaid debt (broken promise). It is the other way around to me… the LENDER is the one who is being harrassed.
    In real capitalism, if it weren’t for the savers who lend at interest we wouldn’t have had a country. No industrial revolution. No progress.
    Thinking like this can only come out of the academia-welfare-liberal mindset. Deadly stuff.

  215. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    The trifecta of Immigration, Illegals and Multiculturalism is more than enough.
    Add Financial ‘problems’ and…dont ask if but when.

  216. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    The only way it could happen would be if EVERYONE agreed to not pay taxes. That would mean employers would tell their accting departments to stop the payroll deductions on salaries and stop reporting and stop being an agent for the IRS.
    That is the only way it could happen. Not much chance of that ever happening.

  217. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Not only in NE. Devry, Art Institute,U of Phoenix Etcetc.

  218. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Damn right they went broke. Enough people finally realized that sending their kids off for four years to play hippy wasn’t a good return on their investment.

  219. damie April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Getting even 5% of the school’s power needs is a tremendous advantage over no electricity. 5% means you might be able to refrigerate food and run some computers. Teaching students how to envision a goal, work towards that goal, understand the limitations of their plan are healthy traits.
    Solar panels are a potential source of power. Germany with its feed-in-tariff program is on target not just to meet its goal of 20% renewable by 2020 but to reach 30% by that year. That’s not techno-delusionalism.

  220. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Its too ‘white’ for Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC, Huff Post.

  221. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    News break. 47% pay no income tax. Thats why things are all ready as fucked up as they are. 53% carry the deadbeats. And now you want everyone to stop paying? Yeah, that’ll work.

  222. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Colleges = the left.
    See my piece above on ‘gang of 88’ [at Duke].
    The rest of its online or I can email to you.

  223. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    I know that. The tax system is unworkable and needs to be cancelled. I only posit the idea of withholding the government’s revenue as a way to get the people’s demands met. Otherwise the government will continue forward with their destructive agenda unhampered until they make a complete and irreversible mess of things.
    Witholding income, penalties or fines of a monetary nature are usually the only way to get compliance.
    I didn’t say “let’s not pay taxes”. I just said wouldn’t it be wonderful if it could be done as a method to turn things around and rid ourselves of a corrupt federal government that has gone way beyond its limits and in turn be able to turn things around to a more reasonable system.

  224. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    Previously LEO and Hotel workers didnt get post High School education, now employers ask for it.
    That being said education is so dumbed down, see
    Vlads comment today on McGuffy Readers and how us with a BA couldnt do em.

  225. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    What about sales tax, gas tax, restaurant tax etcetc.
    How much $ do you want those making less than 40K a year to pay?

  226. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn’t be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It’s become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.
    A great philosopher once stated something to the effect that “The resolution of the Humanities, the Sciences and our social ills all depends upon the resolution of the human mind”.
    This is the basic basic common denominator of all of our problems. If man could truly know and understand himself and his fellow man, if he truly understood his orientation in this world, if he understood how a mind can go wrong and how evil can emanate from it, and if the sources of this evil and dysfunction could be located and remedied… we’d all be in a better place.
    This is where we have failed. Since the beginning of written history we have continued to make the same mistakes over and over. Evil and self interest always tends to corrupt and destroy the beneficial creations that others give us.
    When we accomplish this understanding we will be in a new age of humanity, a new civilization.
    The race is between this positive accomplishment and our total destruction.
    It is the human mind and the human spirit. All the answers lie within us. We need them. That is the true work that needs to be done.
    There are pieces of truth in all religions and philosophies but we need to rid ourselves of all the false data and ignorance that hides the truth from us and get access to the real truths of life and the mind so that we can move forward.
    THIS is our real challenge. Not trying to save the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  227. SHAKA12 April 9, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    Couple points of correction. Black folk don’t name their children differently from Anglos because of “seething” animosity from slavery. They do it because it sounds better to them, than Harry, Dick, and Tom. It’s just that simple. Second, if their motivation for naming their children those names was as you said, they wouldn’t need to look to slavery for seething animosity, or the pre-civil rights era either. I think they realized long ago naming your kids Shea, speaking like the majority, and all other acts of conformity won’t cause their acceptance by the majority. Actually, at this point in history being accepted by White America is not a goal or on their agenda. I use “their” because although I am African-American I couldn’t never speak for all, but please believe, regardless of that disclaimer, Black folks, Negroes, Colored people, African in America, or whatever they want to be called are not setting their agenda based on Asians wanting to be white, or anybody else. Lastly, as bad as things may seem it’s not that bad for us. Yes, the media shows the worst, and there is much room for improvement, but our resilience is daunting.

  228. Tark April 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    I don’t hold the things that are considered success and trustworthiness in high regard. So, in a sense, I don’t give a damn about pride or this country as it is. Most of it leaves me cold. I’ll find success some other way.
    I’m a near true dropout; I just need to change locales.

  229. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    “News break. 47% pay no income tax. ”
    Care to break out how many of these are super upper income, ultra wealthy? And pay no taxes?
    I know plenty of the bottom of the income barrel that pay no taxes because they have NO INCOME.
    But if they do find a job, they do have taxes WITH HELD, and even tho they may get some or all of it back NEXT year as a refund, boy oh boy, they really could use it NOW.
    I even worked once for a multi-millionaire who bragged that he paid no taxes, and thought that anyone with a million-plus income that did was an idiot or fool, and should fire his accountant and get a new one that could figure out how not to pay any taxes.
    They want it all for themselves…
    Dee

  230. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    Hopefully one particular career field will continue to demand (or at least in some municipalities) four years of college with plenty of philosophy/ethics, history, multicultural studies, etc: Law Enforcement
    The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past.

  231. edpell April 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    American’s are cowards young and old. The government will offer the young an offer they can not refuse. Join the military for 12 years and all student loan debt will be forgiven.

  232. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    Sorry to hear that you have disconnected from life. You’ve obviously had a lot of losses and disappointments in your life. As so many of us have had. Hope things turn around for you.

  233. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    As I recall, Socrates was at a bit of a loss to define virtue, or at least virtue as a whole and not some of its attributes.
    What is virtue?

  234. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    edpell, serving in the military is not the only way to get the government to write off your student loans.

  235. edpell April 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    I have no debt. My kids have no debt.
    What are the other ways to get the government to zero out ones student loan debt?

  236. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Yeah. You can commit a heinous felony crime and go to prison for 20 years and get out of your student loans and all other obligations while you’re at it.
    Plus 3 hots and a cot. The good life.

  237. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    I was fortunate. I came from a wealthy family. My father paid cash for my college education. But after the first year, after I saw what a waste of time it all was, I couldn’t bear to see my father throw away his hard earned money on tuition so I dropped out of college never to return. I prefer the education that I got from living life.

  238. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    ozone, all I’m saying is that if Rush doesn’t change his tune pretty quick, he’ll soon be hearing this outside his studio window:
    youtube.com/watch?v=KXLP9GSC8ok&feature=related
    🙂

  239. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    through non-military public service. 1/2 to 2/3rds of student loans can be forgiven this way. For doctors, dentists and nurses, if they work for the PHS, they can get all their loans forgiven.

  240. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings.
    No, no, no, asoka. Not in basic training. You learn that in Advanced Infantry Training.

  241. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio. Poor fucker hasn’t been the same since.

  242. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn’t be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It’s become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.
    Dennis Meadows, the leader of the Limits-to-Growth research team, has finally, after 40 years, come to the same conclusion as you. He stunned the guests at the recent 40-year commemoration of the publication of the Limits-to-Growth when he said that sustainability is no longer possible, and that the sustainability crowd needs to quickly shift to focusing on something he calls “resilience” (basically teaching people how to emotionally cope and remain stoic in the face of catastrophe) to prevent a complete breakdown of the social, economic and political order.

  243. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    I agree. A hard rains a gonna fall. Will need to be in good shape physically, emotionally, mentally and spirtually to get through it. In bad times people turn to self improvement and spiritual matters… they get back to basics. This hopefully will get man more in touch with himself. Our society is only as strong as its individuals. Higher mental health and spiritual understanding will make for a better civilization. The next chapter in the book of man is coming.

  244. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio.
    Now that’s exactly the kind of common sense thinking America needs more of! A nation is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and breathes as a team. This self-sufficiency stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Mother Earth News don’t know any more about real life than they know about writing!
    Self-sacrifice, xhalor. Self-sacrifice.
    🙂

  245. IxNoMor April 9, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

    “I’m afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the ‘psychology of previous investment’.”
    Clearer words were never spoken. I’m betting most of us in the *civilized [1st] world* are said-same victims. I fear they [0.1%] have nothing but a *carrot-on-a-stick* at one end, and a hot corkscrew poker at the other…
    Advantage is only gained if *TAKEN*… It’s *never* too late?!… Don’t f*’n call me an *OPTIMIST* – rather, *REALIST* will suffice! X-Files, indeed…

  246. IxNoMor April 9, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    “EROEI”
    I find this acronym completely idiotic. Energy Return on Energy Investment/Input is absolutely, completely, no different than ROI (Return On Investment/Input). You seriously *LIE* to yourselves, if you believe *OTHERWISE*…
    Or, you never planned on taking *EXTERNAL COSTS* into consideration, whatsoever…
    However, the externals burn in the wind, runoff silt and sewage, and barely *REGISTER*. Yeah, that.

  247. SHAKA12 April 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    I want to share this comment from a facebook friend I shared my reply to KYOOSHTIK with.
    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery, if we did there would be no America because we would have “burned this mutha” down…..long ago. Most black people under 50 don’t even have a firm grasp of what slavery was.”
    I would say most black people under 50 don’t have any type of grasp of what slavery was. Don’t fret they are not in any type of revenge, seething, angry mode most of the time. When they are its about something happening now, not 140 years ago or even 50 years ago. If anything I think Black people don’t hardly notice you. You are more or less background or a backdrop to their lives, as we are to many people. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.

  248. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Shak,
    The long-winded comment I posted and that you replied to was an attempt to flesh-out a point about black names and their detrimental effect on “immiscibility” (the ability of blacks and whites to mix) made by a guy named Fred Reed. Below is a link to Fred’s blog which you may have missed when Vlad Krantz first provided a link to it on Apr 7th. If you find a need to make a “couple points of correction” to my post you should have a field day with Fred’s blog essay. I sincerely hope you will read it and give us your thoughts on it.
    fredoneverything.net/Screwed.shtml

  249. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Virtue is the personal qualities that make for the good – or the path there to.
    In Art, the good is Beauty. Bad art produces ugliness.
    For a shoemaker, the good is to make good shoes, not ones that hurt the foot or fall apart in a couple of weeks.
    In daily life, the good is what leads to happiness and harmony.
    In personal life, virtue is what leads to good relationships, namely honesty, affection, and compassion. This is also true in one’s relationship with oneself. Obviously much self knowldege is needed in all this to make it possible – and real as opposed to sacharine.
    And virtue comes into the intellectual life. It means the search for truth – not convenient or proftitable falsehoods.
    Socrates is very clear about all of this – or perhaps Plato’s Socrates at least.

  250. JonathanSS April 10, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Your right. There are dozens of flat taxes on us. Telecom, alcohol, cigs, airline, property, etc.
    The “the bottom half pay no taxes ” clan don’t take into account payroll taxes to fund SS which is not regressive. It’s a small percentage for people making $250K+.
    Many in the lower half of wage earners pay tax rates close to 15%, which is the percentage Mitt claims.

  251. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    “It’s nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing’s wrong?”
    If “who’s right” is your only purpose – none. When the time is right, you hope they have a memory, and know where to look.
    youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8PBc&feature=related

  252. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 12:24 am #

    Here is a perfect example of why their won’t be a physical revolution in this country, let alone a student loan burning event at the conventions.
    Amazing when you look at the stats in this article, yet the Obama administration, Congress, The Fed and their lackey mainstream press can make the public think that they are being effective and a recovery is in motion. That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind.
    zerohedge.com/news/51-months-after-start-recession-here-report-card

  253. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:26 am #

    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery”
    Tell me that, after perusing the following!!!
    youtube.com/watch?v=u3MUp3yFbhU

  254. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery”
    Well it would be pretty stupid to be sitting there with animosity since everyone and anyone responsible for the slavery in America is long dead and gone. There isn’t anyone to blame or target now. The past is the past, and it is GONE. As if this has anything to do with Caucasians living in America today.
    Slavery was a detestable, horrible and egregious example of man’s inhumanity to man. One of many instances throughout man’s history.
    Personally, if I were an African-American I’d be happy about the slavery episode. Of course not for the suffering and insanity that was brought to bear on my ancestors, but because as a result I was now here in America instead of being born in some grass hut in some diseased village in the Congo, without any hope for a decent life.
    Any AA who wants reparations and wants to blame the citizenry of this country for slavery can get on a boat and go back to Africa.

  255. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    “When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn’t work.”
    HT calls them “drones”;
    http://www.hypertiger.blogspot.com

  256. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    ‘The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past’
    Read Tom Sowell and his info on Police Tests [1940 and 1990].
    Seems in Oakland and Detroit the cities are too poor to send Police out, except when its Murder or felony. As long as US $ is honored ‘we’ can have police/fire/trash pickup.
    I posted today about Dukes ‘gang of 88’.
    If you think College teaches how to think clearly and be non biased guess again Bucky Boy!
    See. Tom Sowell. Visions of the Annointed.Index/ police.
    He also says many DC Cops are illiterate.

  257. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:43 am #

    “That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind.”
    They used to say anyone that voted for Bush, twice, are the dumbest people on earth. After November they won’t be able to say that anymore.

  258. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Taxing food eaten out, clothing [I payed 4$ tax today on some [chinese?] sneakers].
    I dont own a car but a friend says his payments are
    5K a year + all the licenses and tickets. He paid like 2K on old tickets and 1k to impound when the car was towed.

  259. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    Amen, bruthah! 40% independents, 30% repTARDS, 30% demTARDS.
    They *WILL NEVER LEARN*.

  260. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    MY BAD!
    I meant 90% independents, 5% repTARDS, 5% demTARDS.
    C wut I did there?

  261. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    “How convenient.”
    And those robo-calling *FUCK TARDS* still call my place, for the past 22 years, for a Sears debt of ~$900, in the name of the prior *RENTER* (not *OWNER*, who showed up on Google/White Pages as living in Beaverton [not Hillsboro] for the past 15+ years)…
    How do I know – because they bombarded me with phone calls and snail-mail *SPAM*, and I accidently opened one by mistake (I did have a Sears charge card, in ’91/2/3/4)… When I actually answered their phone calls, and told them *SHE MOVED OUT 20 YEARS AGO*, they simply swapped collection agencies…
    Gettin’ *STALE*.

  262. Laura Louzader April 10, 2012 at 2:12 am #

    If you read the individual stories, you will notice a recurring theme, which is that these loans have terms and conditions that make them virtually impossible to repay with whatever salary you’re likely to earn in your field, even something “practical” like nursing or engineering or accounting.
    Most of these loans would never have been written were it not for government guarantees and laws mandating virtual debtor’s prison for borrowers, which freed the banks to toss normal underwriting standards and make loans that they know will become unrepayable because of interest rate changes (they are always adjusted up, never down), collection and late fees, and the compounding thereof. A period of unemployment and/or illness guarantees that the loan balance will swell into six figures.
    I don’t favor a general amnesty because we would be creating yet another moral hazard thereby. Those who can pay the loans clearly got at least part of their money’s worth for their education and should repay, but there should be relief, on the same terms offered other debtors owing other types of debt, which is usually bankruptcy or receivership. We could stipulate that someone bankrupting out of college debt lose his degree, which would be no loss since it isn’t doing him any good in any case.
    When we make college debt equal to other debt, we should shut down government-backed college loan programs, or at least cap the total lifetime borrowing to a very low figure, say $10,000.
    Bankruptcy is the Free Market corrective to careless, predatory lending. Once we permit it, it will become obvious that our student loan programs are colossal failures and have only caused massive tuition inflation and enabled for-profit diploma mills to defraud hundreds of thousands of people. When this happens, the money available for college loans will mostly disappear. Lenders don’t take risks they think they might have to eat.
    And when we shutter Sallie Mae, we need to fold up Fannie and Freddie, which entities mostly functioned to drive house inflation while lining the pockets of lenders and loan servicers.
    People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.

  263. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    Didya see my post from earlier today? Filipino callers.
    What ya do is ya TELL THEM to put it in writing and never call. Make a list of times they call. Ask for names. send em registered mail demanding to be left alone.
    I had VM thru American voice mail. For 5? years Mr Schwartz from a NY DEpt store [ I forget which]
    left messages for ‘Suzy Duff’, who owed them money.
    Maybe more than 5 years. Didnt bother to leave a phone number or snail mail address.

  264. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    Anything the government does is bad news. Once the people realize that this government is the cause of most all of their problems, and is their main enemy, the better chance we have of eventually creating a new system.
    I still say, no one twisted student’s arms to take these loans. Everyone is responsible for what they do. The only reform that makes sense to me is to cancel predatory or unnaturally high fees and penalties connected to the loans.
    You are right about moral hazard. If someone takes out a loan on their own volition, they must pay it back. There is alos no excuse if they didn’t read the fine print.

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  268. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 3:10 am #

    Not idiotic though is EROEI sure sounds like a disease.
    It is actually only a first approximation at a model that attempts to measure energy quality.
    In capitalism costs do not include social or ecological costs of production and consequently are not a true measure of total cost. A similar consideration applies to EROEI but the situation is not as meaningless as a money abstraction because the ratio unlike money is actually based on physical measurable quantities.
    Like money simply focusing on EROEI however misses the boat. Private enterprise always shifts costs to the shoulders of others where it can and is unconcerned with spoliation unless consequences directly impact the enterprise.
    Between two sources of energy having similar but unequal EROEI values the one with the higher ratio might actually produce more pollution than the source with the lower EROEI. It might thus actually be an inferior choice. However the rules of capitalism force that it be the chosen source of energy because it is the one that would provide the most profit.
    You of course already know this as you mention runoff, silt, and sewage. Externals that are ignored and burn in the wind. Externals that don’t make the five o’clock news.

  269. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 3:11 am #

    Should be:
    Not idiotic though EROEI sure sounds like a disease.

  270. old69 April 10, 2012 at 4:05 am #

    Class Warfare ?
    From:
    ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178631
    [quote]
    “What are the main weapons being used, and which of them are most dangerous and effective?”
    [/quote]
    Ideology, theories, brainwashing, the “Economists” with all of their imaginary “Objective Reality Description of how the “Economy” works and should work”, etc.
    The war is 100 % won by the dominating Economic Forces, the Capitalists, the Rich, the Haves have won this war over and over again for decades now, starting from the end of the 1960s on, it has been a complete and total brainwashing of everyone of how great and good and bold and successful all of the Entrepreneurs, Capitalists, Risk loving Bosses, company owners, the “employers” (not the employees who are always turds and lazy slobs that want too much , etc.) are.
    And everyone is brainwashed by all of this BS, especially in the good old USA, the Hard Working Myth, the You Have to Deserve it Myth, the worshiping of Inequality in all of its forms, the Love of seeing how rich the rich get as compared to the poor, the desire to punish and crush the losers, the poor, the “Lazy Slobs and Bastards”, this subtle and deep and constant drone of ideology by all of Society (and worldwide, in all countries), that has been going on for decades. This love of inequality, it is a way to let it all hang out, let out all the desire to beat up the other, to hate on people just because, for fun, but always justified: “I Am Better Than You”, “I Worked Hard for My Money”, “I Am Good”, and “God Protects Me” against the poor lazy slobs that must be hated upon and beat up and such.
    There is only one truth: the Technological Economy doesn’t even need any work at all, it barely needs any labor to function, it is mostly an automatic system based on huge economy of scales, technology, huge consumption and production of Energy, the Automatic for the People and such. So the entire edifice of the Right Wing ideology is no longer even applicable, this economy needs more work like a hole in the head, actually this economy has nothing to do with work at all, it is all about automatic, power relationships, political and status powers, inequality from the outset, not based on any imaginary meritocracy, etc. It is rich enough to give all the basics all people need everywhere and to everyone many times over, it is actually [b]Too Rich[/b], hence the Bubbles, and trillions of dollars in banks worldwide playing games over people’s lives, and firing people (it is so easy to fire workers when work is no longer even relevant in any possible way anymore in an Automatic, Technological Economy, let alone all of the BS about “Creating Jobs”, what an idiotic idea ! the whole purpose of jobs is to create wealth for a few and to express inequality, the whole purpose of jobs is to actually eliminate the need of jobs through the application of “Services” and the “Information Economy” and other such BS, etc., the whole purpose of jobs is to eliminate the future needs of any jobs on behalf of the Rich and Powers that be, by automating and solving all work needs and labor needs once and for all, giving the Powers that be ever more power to use people in any way, since work is just an excuse to show off power, is just a game, an optional game as in all of the layoffs every now and then, to show how little companies really need the labor of millions, etc.).
    The solution would be to cut the head off of the body of inequality structurally, from the outset, and once and for all: a Free Salary for all, about 800 dollars a month, very cheap rents for all, about 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house, and huge new bold projects like spaceships to mars, thousands (I shall refrain from saying Trillions to not “Let It All Hang Out”) of high speed trains across the USA, thousands of skyscrapers all across the USA and such: global projects for the common good, large scale projects where humanity progresses collectively, where this myth of inequality and “Being Better than You” and such is overthrown once and for all.
    BUT SINCE MAN IS A PRIMITIVE APE, HE POSSESSES A STONE AGE APE MAN – MAN BRAIN, THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THIS INEQUALITY AND THE RICH AND POOR DICHOTOMY IS TO KILL HUMAN NATURE ONCE AND FOR ALL BY RADICALLY AND WILDLY AND DEFINITELY CHANGING HOW HIS MAN BRAIN WORKS AND IS DESIGNED, BY DISCONNECTING HIS WILL POWER GADGETS AND HIS INSTINCTS TO FIGHT AND BE BETTER, TO HOSE ALL THOSE OLD FASHIONED APE MAN AND STONE AGE INSTINCTS OF FIGHTING, AND BEATING UP, AND WANTING TO WIN, AND WANTING TO BE “BETTER THAN YOU”, AND WANTING TO USE OTHERS AS A TOOL, AND WANTING TO EXPRESS THE FREEDOM OF THE WILL POWER ALWAYS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WILL POWERS, THE FIGHTS, THE CONFLICTS, THE CONTRASTS, ETC.

    Only by changing the design of the Brain can the class warfare be finally won by the poor, once and for all, and for all time and for everyone forever. AMEN.
    THE APE MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  271. old69 April 10, 2012 at 4:15 am #

    From:
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
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  286. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 9:44 am #

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  288. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 9:55 am #

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  289. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 10:05 am #

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  290. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 10:19 am #

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  291. ozone April 10, 2012 at 10:26 am #

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  292. John Mayson April 10, 2012 at 10:35 am #

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    I would not advise anyone to not pay your college debt. Try getting a house loan with a bad credit score. If you can get a mortgage at all it will be at a higher rate. Keep the faith folks, we are making progress ever so slowly.

  304. turkle April 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Hey, who you calling low rent! Rents are lower in Brazil, I assure you, sir. Have you looked at the monthly price of a Bay Area apartment lately?

  305. 8man April 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    What can Happen in the Box of Matter ?
    So the Box of Grey Matter, the Box of Mindform / Brainform Material, the Box of Atoms and Electrons and Such that is maybe 1 centimeter cubed or 1 million kilometers cubed has Matter executing paths, predetermined paths through the Iron Clad Fist of the Laws of Physics, but then Virtual Unlimited Paths through the Simulation of Reality Styles and Designs on behalf of part of the Brains and Brainforms and Mindforms emerging from the Box of Matter (or completely new paths that combinations of Atoms and Forces and Electrons and Photons produce and Execute, totally unknown to us and our Puny Logic and such or completely new paths according to the completely new laws of physics the trillions of new brain designs perceive and live within and such), evaporating and condensing through phase transitions within the Box of Grey Matter and such and such: and they produce Synchronized Matter, Self Coherent Synchronized Matter that can execute only some paths according to specific constraints of various types, either Physical (the Laws of Physics), Pain/pleasure type circuits or anything else, as in creativity expressed within limiting boundaries otherwise it wouldn’t know how to express itself if unlimited in any way and such.
    And so many Cross Synchronized Matter Chunks and Experiences, Mixed Universes and Lifestyles, completely new Solid State Universes with completely new and incredible – fantastic and colorful laws of physics and experience styles and types and lives, and hyperlives, hyperreality, Metaphysics achieved to the upmost, a Box of matter expressing combinations we never could possibly imagine and such…
    THE TOBOR HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  306. Zed Leppt In April 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    This weekend I was listening to a radio interview with a college instructor who taught a science course to non-science majors. The students just selected his class from a list of required subjects to fill out their required course load. Each semester, he would look at all those bored faces and know just what they where thinking – counting down the minimum number of hours they would have sit there to pass and get their course credits. Hoping to spark some input, he asked one group why they acted so unmotivated in class. Among the various respones, the most honest was, “I’m here for a degree, not an education”.
    Reminds me of that movie “My Favoite Year” in which Peter O’Toole, playing a has-been movie matinee idol, is struck with stage fright when he learns that the TV show he’s about to act in is being broadcast live. Panicing, he shouts “I’m not an actor. I’m a movie star!”
    That too seems to be the situation with many of our important government regulators these days. They are mere high status title holders to departmental posts and possess none of the expertise nor perform any of the rigorous work one would expect from someone occupying such a position. Then they panic and hide from the cameras if the media tries to question them on their failures.
    The Wall Street fraud mongers do nicely off this. God knows what exotic financial instuments are being created today from bundled, tranched, and derivitivized student debt. Like the victims of the MERS home mortgage fiasco, indebted college grads may soon be discovering that their student loans have been bundled, sold, rebundled, and resold until the legal ownership of their debt is hopelessly lost. After it all goes kablooey, Rombama or Obamney, will stoically offer calming reassurances that top minds are diligently probing this matter and drafting a new one thousand page bill that will clarify the rules and regulations for this industry.

  307. 8man April 10, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    From:
    ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834

  308. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.
    ===============
    Laura, ^this^ nicely concludes your excellent post. I really get pissed just thinking about both the housing and school loan bubbles…pissed at both the lenders and, equally, the borrowers. A line from Shakespere pops into my head: “Never a borrower or a lender be.”

  309. Zed Leppt In April 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    “…premises and promises…of an obsolete American Dream?”
    Sounds like the title of a Burt Bacarach/Hal Daved musical. Have you ever tried playwriting Jim? Like those draft card burning prostests you referenced, the musical “Promises Promises” also debuted in 1968. How about teaming up with Andrew Lloyd Weber to rewrite this musical to appeal to cynical 21st century millenials? The play was based on the movie “The Apartment” in which a brown-nosing office worker loans his bachelor pad to philandering executives. You can rewrite the plot as an unemployed office worker letting his former bosses crash at his place after also being downsized, divorced, and kicked out of their mansions in the Hamptons.
    The press coverage will be great.
    From the creative talents that brought you “Phantom of the Opera” and “The Witch of Hebron”, its “Premises and Promises” or “How to Fail in Business Despite Really Trying”, the new smash Broadway musical that’s cheering up a bummed-out nation. Uplifting to all who think their miserable existence couldn’t get any worse, because this toe-tapping sensation shows that it can.
    “It’s the most exhilarating thing I’ve seen since ‘Schindler’s List’.” Entertainment critic for Pharmacological Digest
    Dibs on the film rights.

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  311. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Dumbed down as it is, here in LA most who go to Public Highs dont graduate!
    The Laraza crowd doesnt value education I guess.
    Having read a few students essays at the local JC,
    the foreign born and first generation ‘Americans’
    just dont know how to express themselves in English.

  312. Widespreadpanic7 April 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Jim,
    How much is the tuition at the School of Hard Knocks?
    The Government probably won’t be giving out any loans for it.
    Class will be in session pretty soon, maybe this summer, when the lines begin forming up at your local filling station, tempers are frayed, and revolvers begin appearing out of glove compartments.
    –WSP7

  313. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Such sublime slime. Watching Japanese Horror Movies (not modern manga swill) was some of the happiest times of my life. I love the way Godzilla mugged for the camera!
    Do you think Gamera might be behind most if not all of so called UFO sightings?

  314. turkle April 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Someone who writes “dont” and “doesnt” does not have any basis for criticizing the educational level of anyone.

  315. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    the US ‘education’ system is PATHETIC.
    ===============
    Amazing Welles, you say ^this^ yet you defend poor grammar, spelling, punctuation and the use of lower case letters to begin sentences …… Do I contradict myself, well then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

  316. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    “Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied, eh?”
    “We have not the reverent feeling for the rainbow that a savage has, because we know how it is made. We have lost as much as we gained by prying into that matter.” -Mark Twain

  317. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    I’m glad Kahio is here too, but let’s face it: he’s another Bill in an Asian body. He wants Multiculturalism for us and Nationalism for Japan. Yes, a hypocrite. Am I surprised? No, I’ve seen it before. I went to college and worked with people from other countries – and really listened to them. I’ve heard the same thing from Turks and Africans of various countries.
    I’d like more diversity here. I’d love the chance to expose and defeat Latinos, Muslims, South Asians, and East Asians as I have the Jews and White Liberals. Also on the postive side (I have a small one), it would be good to get other perspectives. For example, I’d love to know what Latinos think about the persecution of Mr Zimmerman.

  318. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Having read a few students essays at the local JC,
    the foreign born and first generation ‘Americans’
    just dont know how to express themselves in English.
    ===============
    Coming from your keyboard, Asia, ^this^ is one of the most ironic statements I have ever read on this blog.

  319. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    Yes, how sad to find out that being inside a cloud is not being in heaven but just being in a fog. We need distance to see clearly in this world. And does not familiarity breed contempt?
    Only when we changed will we “know even as we are known”.
    Good intro to Dispensationalism and its implications: truthtellers.org/alerts/ASimpleExplanationScofieldDispensationalism_12_10apr.html

  320. xhalor April 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    Since we’re all in agreement that “it’s” all going away…today is opening day at Dodger Stadium. Nothing but binoculars.

  321. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Who stared the small caps mania? Why do people think it “cool”? Do they think that writing i instead of I shows a lack of egotism? I’ll take the humble pride of a Vlad Krandz over the proud humility of an ozone anyday.
    Old story: Diogenes came up to Plato who was early for a feast and sitting at a well set table. Grabbing the table cloth Diogenes set it all crashing down as he yelled, “This is what I think of your pride”. Plato replied, “And with greater pride”.
    Was it bell hooks – black, lesbian, buddhist, “poetess” who started it?

  322. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Food Stamp Friday – party last Friday in a Montgomery, Alabama Club.
    dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/alabama-nightclub-raises-eyebrows-with-food-stamp-friday-party/#ixzz1qbwK…

  323. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    The fact that college debt is treated diferntly is a political thing and can be reversed with a different political climate.
    ============
    Has it ever occured to anyone that education and the financing of education (from K thru PHd) should NOT be an area of governmental concern or involvement…any more than government should be involved in people’s choices and payments for toilet paper? Seriously.

  324. welles April 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    how many tymes do i have to say READ the ENTIRE original post? if i’m not mistaken i said that the CONTENT of written/spoken word – not the tyred rehashing of grammatical/spelling rules – is more important than spelling etc. (btw your use of ‘lower case’ in your retort is ‘incorrect’ but fully understood).
    what, in my offending sentence, is incomprehensible in the SLIGHTEST?
    is the point not clear? of course it is. kryst, i even cite ee cummings, the patron saint of lower-case lettering.
    YES, if grammar is atrocious and makes comprehension difficult, THEN you can point fingers.
    stopp picking nits where there clearly ain’t none.
    no one’s writing in pidgin english or damn ebola out here.
    peace peaceniks

  325. turkle April 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    the kids and there poor educations these days. i dont know what the world is coming too!!!

  326. welles April 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Metaphysics achieved to the upmost, a Box of matter expressing combinations we never could possibly imagine and such…
    if ‘we could never possibly imagine…’ how do you know it’s metaphysics to the ‘upmost’ or ‘utmost’?
    you simple go round in contradiction whilst babbling self-aggrandizingly. useless, as usual.
    peace peaceniks

  327. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Q, from previous writings, I gather that you don’t think the government should have a role in doing much of anything, except perhaps paving the road up to your house. Everything should apparently be left up to the magical and infallible “private sector”, which can do no wrong.
    That’s a nice fantasy world you inhabit. Say ‘hi’ to Ayn Rand for me.

  328. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    And let’s put that another way.
    How much of the US’s prosperity, such as it is, can be traced back to the establishment of public universities, as well as universal K-12 education?
    How do you think things would have turned out had education been left completely up to the Free Market?
    Of course, I don’t expect an honest assessment from someone with such a knee-jerk anti-government position, but it is an interesting thought experiment.

  329. bproman April 10, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    The Easter bunny is getting old and has checked into rehab. This is what happens when the yield is rotten eggs.

  330. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    Would it hurt you to capitalize your sentences or are you attempting to make some kind of obtuse ‘point’ about something?
    What that might be, I have no idea. Perhaps you’re trying to tell us that your ‘shift’ key is broken?

  331. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence.

  332. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence. Turkle to Welles
    ===========
    Odd that we are on the same page at least as regards capitalization.

  333. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    It isn’t so odd. While I may not agree with your position on the proper role of government in society, I follow your lead on all matters grammatical.

  334. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    Funny you commented on this, Q. I just got a call from my state rep chastising me for the high price I paid for my Charmin. Now I know what that red blinking light in my bathroom is for.

  335. Poet April 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Before jhk’s latest meme of college loans being renounced leading to the latest economic bubble bursting and violence at the political conventions leading to a return to hard scrabble subsistence survival, ther wiklkl be yet another nasty middle eastern war.

    BHO intends to earn his second term and deflect attention from his miserable performance the old fashioned way, by starting a war. The targets are Iran and Syria. There are three full carrier task forces (the Enterprise, the the Abe Lincoln, and the Carl Vinson) hanging out in the area just brimming with assault troops, special forces, cruise missiles, top-gun pilots and itchy trigger-fingered middle aged commanders anxious to have yet another hit of the narcotic of warfare.

    When BHO shows that he is badder than Dumbya Bush and the Hitler youth in the opposition ever hoped to be the dumbed-down electorate will just slobber its approval and vote him in for another term. Even more fun will bge watching the opposition left standing around sounding like a cross between Elmer Fudd and the stuttering Porky Pig.

  336. apingos April 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    I agree with Kyoo to an extent. There are many ways the government should stay out of education. Especially with all the mandated curriculum it imposes. There probably is really no good reason to have a dept. of Education. But Iam so against making a profit on elementary and H.S. students. Corners are cut, teachers are less qualified, and standards (yes, standards, state and local imposed not the feds) go by the way. All in the name of returning a profit for the investor. We have too much big business in our schools as it is.

  337. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Uh, Vlad, in order to have a contest, one must join it. I’m not in a contest to see if I can win over you – I could care less. I just respond to you to contradict you, to contrast your silly racism with reason. I would never engage in a battle of wits with you because I don’t fight unarmed men.

  338. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    I’d like to think we don’t go to war against Iran; it would be a tragic mistake. But if we do, then you are spot-on in your analysis.

  339. San Jose Mom 51 April 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    On the topic of proper writing and speaking, I agree with you Vlad.
    San Jose Mom is having a bad day.
    1. Walmart is opening a store within .5 miles of my home. I argued with the city, but to no avail, they are just interested in revenue–not the quality of life around here. My arguments:
    A. The site was formerly a Home Expo site…opened back in the day when everyone had money to spend on granite countertops and luxurious appointments in the home. This big box store is serviced by a single two lane access road. Doesn’t the city appreciate that the traffic in and out of a remodeling business is different than Walmart?
    B. The Walmart receiving dock is just a few yards from a retirement community. They are going to hear a lot of truck noise and banging around in the early morning.
    C. More revenue? The economy is not growing around here. Walmart is going to suck the business from other stores in the area–Best Buy, Costco, Safeway. The city’s net income will drop because Walmart sells stuff cheaper.
    So city hall has let me down again. Across from Walmart, there is a huge patch of farm land. The city counsel recently approved a plan to put more big box stores on 45 acres. This goes against the city’s official master plan to cut down on big box developments. Not only that, this farm land (the last of its kind in San Jose) is right next to the Guadalupe River. Good bye riperian zone. Their compromise was that they’ll save a space in the parking lot for a farmers market.
    Deep sigh,
    Jen
    Hoping she doesn’t explode in anger some day.

  340. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    The teaching of “pitch location” must be another failure of higher education because you just tossed a watermelon right over the middle of the plate. But since I’m feeling kind today I’ll take a called third strike. That aside, I’ll still going to give you a baleful stare on my walk back to the dugout, and if that stare could speak it would say: “ Hey Deep Thinker, you missed the point once again!”

  341. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    * I’m ^

  342. asoka. April 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    No, no, no, Kaiho. Advanced Individual Training is for learning a specialization. Basic Combat Training is for learning how to kill human beings.
    Basic Combat Training (BCT) consists of the first ten weeks of the total Basic Training period. This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier and learns combat techniques for killing other human beings.
    Advanced Individual Training (AIT) consists of the remainder of the total Basic Training period, and is where recruits train in the specifics of their chosen field. As such, AIT is different for each available Army career path, or Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). For example, if an individual has an MOS of Human Intelligence Collector, they would be sent, following completion of BCT, to the Intelligence School at Fort Huachuca, Arizona. If an individual instead had the MOS of Army medic, they would be sent, after BCT, to the Army Medical Department School at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas. AIT courses can last anywhere from 6 to 52 weeks.
    This post is also for P2C, who claims I know nothing about Basic Combat Training. As if one has to go through it to know about it!

  343. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    I need to go back and reread Meno by Plato.
    At any rate, I’m afraid that the inherent beauty of Plato’s heaven fails under the scrutiny of human interpretation. In other words, one man’s beauty is another man’s need for the fig leaf. Yes that’s right Brother Vlad; the wretched human form revealed in full perverse nudity needs to be covered and now! Or better yet, take a hammer to Michelangelo’s David and break that Vatican piece of pornography into a million unrecognizable pieces – Hallelujah, and Praise The Lord !

  344. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    is the point not clear? of course it is.
    =============
    I’m sure Anti Soak thinks everything he writes is clear too.
    Yesterday, right after our exchange regarding capitalization I picked up the NY Times and started reading an article that caught my eye titled Behind the Steering Wheel, and Not a Grammarian in Sight.
    cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/behind-the-steering-wheel-and-not-a-grammarian-in-sight/?scp=2…
    A Mr. Vincent goes out to move his car to another parking space because they have something in Brooklyn known as alternate-side parking rules. He spends a half hour riding around and around and finally finds a perfect spot right near his own street. But, he spots a street sign that says NO STANDING, APRIL TO OCTOBER
    He wondered exactly what that “to” meant. He thought about it and decided it meant no parking until October began. Since it was Oct 2nd he figured it was OK.
    Two days later his car is towed away and it cost him $225 to get it out plus a $115 ticket. He decides to appeal it in court and comes armed with several dictionaries which made clear that “to” means “up to but not including” and that “through” means “to and including.” He loses the case, appeals again and loses again without the Judge ever addressing the relevant dictionary definitions of “to” and “through.” He considers another appeal…this time to the State Supreme Court with a filing fee of $305. In the meantime, and to make the injustice all the more infuriating, a new sign was put up which read NO STANDING, APRIL 1 – SEPT 30.
    Yes Welles, there is a reason for all those nit-picking rules, definitions, spellings, and punctuation. You are an educated person. You are NOT, let’s say, Leon Spinks. There simply is no excuse for half-assed written communications whether I understand the point or not. (As we used to say in the Air Force: “Close enough for government work.”) It’s bad precedent. Are you REALLY too lazy to press your pinkie finger on the shift key? Are you too busy? Are you too cool?

  345. welles April 10, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    yes there is reason for lingo rules where it REALLY counts, such as when your car may be towed. ditto medicine and whatnot.
    I work as a translator, where punkchewation’s necessary, as is capitalization, and a comma can gravely change the meaning of a sentence.
    what, you gotta be all keyed up out on this site, can’t you just relax out here whilst making a point(s)?
    no more blather on grammar, enuf already.
    plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone’s “@-comments” on twaddle.
    what lows america has sunken to.
    peace peaceniks

  346. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    This “capitalization war” going on between welles and kyoosthik…
    is this the microcosm of the macrocosm? proof that man is destined to continue to destroy each other because they can’t tolerate each other’s differences? that man’s attention is always deflected by the inane or non-constructive issue, thus avoiding the resolution of the key survival issues of present time, of which the failure to solve will condemn them to extinction in the not too distant future?
    I hope not.
    i hope not.
    See, I’ve met you both… not in the middle but… ALL THE WAY.
    C’mon everyone, can’t we all just get along?

  347. Curtis Faith April 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Check out April 21 on Wikipedia. It is the day of the year most symbolic of Conquest and Domination of the few with power over the many.
    It would make an excellent protest day. It is a saturday.
    So short the bank stocks on the days leading up the the protest. Get all your friends out of the markets.
    Then get everyone to meet and burn the loan documents on Saturday.
    And get every sovereign debtor country to stop paying egregious loans taken out by dictators and military governments to pay for arms and other boondoggles arranged by the banksters’ government agents at the IMF and world bank.
    2012 is a Jubilee year. April 21 is the day to begin it.
    April 21 could be the most important day of our lives. We just need to make it so by spreading the word.
    Seriously, look at how many events happened on that day. It will surprise you. It is also the day that things turned around.

  348. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    BTW welles…
    Sunken is an adjective, not a verb.
    Correction:
    “What lows America has sunk to.”
    One more conjugation, punctuation, capitalization or syntax error and you will be barred from this blog.
    Your either on the bus or off the bus.

  349. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    Oops!
    Correction:
    YOU’RE either on the bus or off the bus.

  350. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    We had a car hit a gasoline truck tanker in one of the counties south of here. Minor injuries, no deaths, no fire, but 8,000 gallons of gas and diesel spilled.
    A lot of the petrol went downhill into a creek. The local FD was out there for about 18 hours building berms and catchments – before finally securing the scene and turning it over to EPD/EPA and private contract crews for cleanup.
    I can’t imagine what a thing like this must cost.
    Accident was the fault of the car driver.
    Even if the car driver had $1 million worth of insurance – that’s not going to even come close to the final bill.
    FD had to stop CSX trains for about 10 hours. “Somebody” said that it cost $100,000 per hour to stop a freight train. At one point they had FIVE trains stopped.
    Wow. It is a complicated and expensive business to run this US of A.

  351. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Sorry about the new Wally World, SJ.
    I’ve been looking for a reason to throw this trivia pursuit link out to the CFN thread. You just gave me one. 50 Amazing Numeric Facts –
    3. The combined assets of Wal-Mart’s (NYSE: WMT ) Walton family is equal to that of the bottom 150 million Americans.
    30. Americans age 60 and older owe $36 billion in student loans.
    35. According to Goldman Sachs’ Jim O’Neill, China’s growth creates the equivalent of a new Greece every 90 days.
    40. In 2009, 5% of Americans accounted for 50% of all health care costs.
    fool.com/investing/general/2012/04/05/50-amazing-numbers-about-todays-economy-.aspx
    Comment thread for this Motley Fool article is pretty interesting, also.

  352. xhalor April 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    run welles
    RUN!

  353. balkan April 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    Buck,
    Not sure if you made a typo. Original David is in Galeria del Academia in Florence. A copy is promptly placed where he stood in front of Palacio de la Signoria close to Uffici gallery.
    However, the real reason that I made this reply is to thank you for the Mian Situ link. Always like to be pleasantly surprised with realist painter.

  354. Michigan Native April 10, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    The idea of people standing up and telling the student loan racketeers to go fuck themselves is hellishly pleasing to me. That would be another story like the one of a relatively unmentioned american hero, Terry Hoskins.
    For those who do not recall that story, I am sure a google search could uncover links, but here it is in short form. This man built his house from the ground up. Something unfortunate happened, and the man could not pay off the loan. A friend of Terry Hoskins lent him the balance due, but the banks turned that down, figuring they could make more selling it at auction. So Mr. Hoskins got a bulldozer and razed his house, leaving only an empty lot for the cocksuckers from the bank to steal from him.
    Stories like this, of active and long overdue rebellion against having millions of people’s lives ruined or even is danger (ever try living homeless or without an income?) are unfortunately the exception, not the rule.
    Look at the american complacency about the healthcare disaster, the student loan racket (and where will all the jobs be when your once powerful american dollar is now not worth its weight in toilet paper, growing food will be your new occupation in life, and all those high techy types/computer nerds in various branches of engineering will suddenly be out of work in a fossil fuel depleted world as building new and better airplanes, cars, bridges, computers, etc will be the farthest thing from people’s minds nor will there be any funds to finance these nor will there be any energy or motive for these futile endeavors)
    As I make my 40 minute commute to work every afternoon, what I see around me is telling. Those of us who can see collapse rapidly approaching,are clearly in the minority. I see a different picture than most others.
    The drive down the once crowded 4 lane road to the major freeway (the traffic seems about 1/2 of what it used to be say, 10 years ago)is dotted with all kinds of stores and businesses….only about half of them are vacant and have “for lease” signs up in them. They are closing down left and right, and no new businesses have stepped in to take their place…with 2 exceptions. A gun shop and a liquor store.
    The furniture stores that are left are doing anything short of offering to lick your toe jams, no payments till 2014, we pay your sales tax, etc. Their voices seem like distant pleas from the wilderness. Most of the remaining businesses are junk food places (which seem to be holding their own) and various auto places (collision, oil change, brake repair, etc). They are doing OK for the time being, but I see these places as vacant, the road they were on travelled by very few cars, and the apperance of more and more people pushing around shopping carts, fishing through garbage cans for returnable cans, or half eaten food stuffs…something that is relatively new to this area
    Then I got to the major freeway. Good thing that little piece of shit 08 Aveo can’t go much above 70mph, the radar cops are on the loose like ravenous wolf packs. They don’t give a fuck about highway safety, they are on a mission to steal as much money from people as they can, in a vain and totally futile effort to keep the joyride going. Chronic budget shortfalls due to an ever eroding tax base. So they feast on those who are still playing by the rules, working hard, just to stay out of foreclosure and bankruptcy.
    Along the cop infested freeway, the county came up with a brilliant idea. They planted all these neat shrubs and flowering plants in symmetrical rows with wood mulch in between. Charming, most people would think. Unless you see people tearing these things up and trying to plant crops there instead as no cars or trucks traverse the pot-hole strewn, neglected highway. The cops will mow be out to ticket people for growing food or riding a bicycle without a license or permit
    Point being, americans are sheeple. In this case, we are the 1%, the ones who see the end of oil, the collapse of the US as an industrialized and unified nation. The other 99% are sleepwalking towards that cliff that lays ahead, by the time they wake up out of their lethargy and denial, it will be too late for them. Try to warn or equip the other 99% with the facts of peak oil, population overgrowth of some 5 billion people,or how dependent our moidern life has become over fossil fuels and they think your crazy or that technology, Obama, or their god will step in and save them.
    That is why I don’t see any revolution on the part of the masses, they have been and remain meek and obedient to the banks, the government, the “forces of law and order” and I don’t see them fighting back as they are lead to the slaughter house because of apathy and denial

  355. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Is that why you refused to apologize after I proved you wrong about the show Cops changing the race of the perps? After calling me a liar about it?
    Likewise, I don’t need you Kosher Stamp of Approval – I have defeated you again and again.

  356. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    Yes we should all go around naked showing off our bodies when weather permits. Only beautiful people should wear fig leaves so as not to inspire lust. All the fuglies in the buff will help to destroy lust. I think we have figured out a good social policy “Buck”.
    Hope no one tries to eat the fig leafs off the genitalias!

  357. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    You’re right Balkan( maybe I should used M’s Rome Pieta instead) but I was using “Vatican” in the typical way it is used on this site- I’m sure you have noticed:)
    And you’re welcome regarding the Situ link.

  358. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    “ It’s a safe statement that a gathering of commas (except on certain lawful occasions, as in a list) is a suspicious circumstance” —H.W. and F.G. Fowler “ The King’s English”
    I’m beginning to think we have suspicious gathering of grammarians here 😉

  359. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    At least it will bring in jobs! And you can get what you need easily! But I understand your pain. I contemplate your righteous upbringing with pleasure. If you were young and unformed, I would reccomend the Amish Books that are so popular with Christian girls…
    If I have a daughter, I will name her Offred after the young woman in “The Handmaid’s Tale” – a story that all Feminsts love and I love for different reasons.
    All kidding aside, it is sad for the Community and especially the Elderly across the street. I know Walmart wreaks havoc on a deeper level wherever it goes.

  360. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    “How can a single citizen, or any number thereof, possibly comprise a threat to a government that has a trillion plus dollars to spend each year on security and weapons, the world’s largest navy and air force, 700 plus military bases across the world, large numbers of nuclear weapons, 16 intelligence agencies plus the intelligence agencies of its NATO puppet states?”
    [Pucker shrugs his shoulders and mumbles to himself]
    “I don’t know…beats me….”

  361. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Just in case anyone was wondering –
    thinking about taxes really can kill you.
    businessweek.com/news/2012-04-10/death-and-taxes-collide-as-fatal-crashes-mount-on-irs-filing-day

  362. welles April 10, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    ….i’ve lived way over half my life overseas so every once in a blue moon i get a single word wrong in english a bit, as i listen in my head trying to mentally hear how it’s used…i was torn between sunk and sunken…
    anyway i’m not the one focussing on inane trivia, it’s the old maid grammar martinets here who sound like they wear v-neck sweaters and carry library cards…
    i’m here for content, ideas, not window dressing.
    three more trees planted today, counteracting global warming bit by bit, and purifying the water and air.
    the world continues to get better.
    peace peaceniks

  363. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    Well, I’ll be danged. K/Q – Look at this study.
    livescience.com/19580-niceness-dna-scientists-find.html
    Study participants who saw the world as a threatening place, and the people in it as inherently bad, were nonetheless nice, dutiful and charitable as long as they had the versions of the receptor genes associated with niceness. These “nicer” versions of the genes, Poulin said, “allow you to overcome feelings of the world being threatening and help other people in spite of those fears.”
    50% of US whites have the genes that encode for “niceness.” Percentage is lower in US Asian populations – despite these populations “social cohesion.” No mention was made of the genetic coding among US blacks for “niceness.” Sorry, Vlad – I’m sure they will get to that in the next study.

  364. Bustin J April 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    On M1ll3n14ls, “Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off.”
    Ummm… Nope. No spark, no shear dint. A bunch of very dull knives, with no momentum. They can be picked up and used by politicians- they proved that with Obama. Thats about it.
    Tre said “What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I’ve read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, “OK. But what can we DO about this?”
    In other words, expressing total ignorance. Nice try, guy. M1ll3n14ls aren’t going anywhere. After all, to a cargo cult, youth is just another miracle fix, just around the corner. In reality the millennials are just younger, dumber cargo cultists.
    Many people are simply waiting for the Whiz kid to come along and figure out how to clean up the mess, in politics, religion, the environment, all the way down to the family level.
    “What we’re getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)”
    This is totally true. Your cell-phone is making you unhappy, though you’d be hard pressed to realise that. You can’t even put your finger on it. After all, the proliferation of all these objects demanding your attention further traps people in their own little worlds of convenience and comfort. Technology has bred a nation of voyeurs and social robots. The social Darwinism has sharply increased. The Millenials are actually the least prepared to handle any modern problem. (For the reason why see Cargo Cult Whiz Kid above)
    The older generation expects (laughably) that the system of international trade and capitalism’s “Free Market” will supply Millennials with the tools to fix the problem of the collapsing climate and ecosystems. They are only providing the tools and jobs to keep the current arrangements running. Fiscal reality demands Millennials pour their wealth and energy into the existing self-destructing system. Millennials aren’t stupid; the deal is raw.
    At the same time Millennials are required to eat a shit sandwich of high prices, inflation, low wages, and careers without benefits or stability.
    The cohort breaks down into women and men. Young women are buoyed by their social and sexual dominance as young women. Young men are confused, abused and repressed. As young women drop out due to fecklessness and pregnancy, the young men drop out due to hopelessness and fatigue.
    We’ve allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.
    All that is impossible in America today. It is not possible to course correct. It is not possible for unskilled, ignorant kids to solve the problems we’ve faced. Dennis Meadows is right- we ought to invest in becoming resilient for the 0-10 year old set because there is no guarantee the kids born between 2012-2022 will have any kind of future worth living in from 2042-2142.
    Paraphrasing Al Bartlett, the problem is now humanity’s inability to understand the linear function. Assume crash positions.

  365. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    Orlov suggests that it would be more efficient to have the IRS administer ObamaCare….

  366. apingos April 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    welles, I agree. these guys remind me of the TV show, Big Bang Theory. You have a great attitude–more trees is the answer.

  367. Michigan Native April 10, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    I might add, we don’t have to buy foreclosed homes or repo’d cars, etc. If we had enough men with balls like Terry Hoskins out there, as well as people refusing to buy these things, then the bastards would have to stop. They will sooner or later, as housing values plunge into the negatives as the suburbs decay and become inaccessible by foot (the new means of transportation…bicycle tires succumb to dry rot) and cars with internal combustion engines will become worthless and useless, but in the meantime, the misery and suffering they will create, and those of you who chose to get in on these “deals” deserve to be boiled in oil, in my humble opinion

  368. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    The art wing of OWS is jumping into the fray – some of the comments are interesting.
    “The biennial perpetuates the myth that art functions like other professional careers and that selection and participation in the exhibition, for which artists themselves are not compensated, will secure a sustainable vocation,” the letter goes on. “This fallacy encourages many young artists to incur debt from which they will never be free and supports a culture industry and financial and cultural institutions that profit from their labors and financial servitude.”
    artsandlabor.org/end-the-whitney-biennial-2014/

  369. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Death & Taxes: If the IRS administered ObamaCare, then it could reduce its healthcare costs by taxing people to death. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone….

  370. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Can’t agree with Kunstler on this.
    No generation is going to revolt against this totalitarian government. All are too complacent, anesthetized, apathetic or successfully programmed. Look at how all those millions across the sea slid right into Communism and Socialism without much of a fuss.
    Might be some guys out of Idaho who every once in a while bomb some government buildings, have shoot outs with law enforcement or the National Guard or whatever.
    The population will go quietly into that long dark night—with a whimper. Sheep to the slaughter.

  371. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    I hope that all of you CFNers had a happy, relaxing Passover holiday.
    To refresh your memories: It’s when The Angel-of-Death passes you by…..

  372. Vlad Kramps April 10, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    “We’ve allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.” BS
    Ummh, does this mean that Asoka’s idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea?

  373. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    “One of the few nuggets of wisdom to have come from the economics “profession” is that if something can’t go on it won’t.”
    They do not however apply this principle to themselves. Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. No economists stands up and speaks out when the words ‘sustainable growth’ are uttered despite being a compete impossibility and oxymoron. Growth of GNP is always considered to be good no matter what has grown or if anyone has actually benefited from the growth. A mainstream economists always advocates economic growth and never considers that it can’t go on forever. Mainstream economists believe that infinite substitution can always replace depleted resources and that new technology will always find an answer to maintain economic growth.

  374. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    No group can be expected to exert the self-discipline necessary to control population unless there is a way to keep the advantages of such self-discipline from being eaten up by inward migration. No immigration control means no population control. Open borders will always lead to population growth.

  375. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    “As if one has to go through it to know about it!”
    You cannot return from a place you have not been.

  376. Mike Hunt April 10, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    The writing has been on the wall for a long time in San Jose. The times I’ve been there trying to negotiate the six to eight lane boulevards with virtually identical shopping centers every few miles with ‘Best Buy’, ‘Office Max’ ‘Java Juice’, ‘Starbucks’, ‘Target’, etc. ad nauseum. I feel your pain, but didn’t San Jose sell out and lose its soul several years ago? What did you expect? Your husband has a nice job, it seems, but you’re living in an environment with an ever diminishing standard of living.
    MH

  377. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    I was sitting here waiting for the Knicks/Bulls game to begin, watching some interviews and B-ball talking-head analysis. The Knicks won a thriller against the Bulls on Sunday and now it’s Tuesday and they’re playing the Bulls again. So, Woodson, the interim head coach who replaced the fired D’Antoni says, (in regard to this being the second game in a row in 3 days against the Bulls), “So this is a learning curve game for us.” (If I had been the interviewer I would have said, “please explain for our audience Coach exactly in what sense or manner this is “a learning curve game.”)
    The Woodson interview ends and the cameras go back to Walt “Clyde” Frazier, color commentator (no, I didn’t say “colored” commentator) and his sidekick and Clyde parrots Woodson, “As Coach Woodson said, this is a learning curve game for the Knicks.” (Wow! the profundity of it all!)
    Now I ask you, have you ever heard such meaningless drivel? It is obvious to me that neither of these two guys has the slightest idea what a learning curve is. If they did know it would mean that theoretically the Knicks would have learned from the experience of the first game, thus making it easier to play the Bulls effectively in the second game. This has a certain ring of truth to it except that the Bulls also would be “playing a learning curve game” so who could say who had learned more? Learning curve theory rightly says that you will do something easier, better, quicker on the second iteration than the first if the iterations are in fairly quick succession. Who could say with certainty that this will be the case tonight?
    The only way Woodson’s learning curve statement would have any validity – not that he actually has ever been taught the concept, or the math, or seen a learning curve plotted on graph paper – would be if the Knicks’ opponents were not humans but rather like a computer opponent with a fixed ability level, never improving nor worsening regardless of playing successive games. Thus the Knicks would have learned something from their first game on Sunday while their opponent didn’t.
    I apologize for being grossly off topic (and perhaps even showing signs of “losing it”) but this kind of shit bothers me. It’s like the full page color ads you see in the papers for The Hunger Games. The picture is of Katniss, the heroine of the story, string pulled back, ready to shoot an arrow with her bow. It is obvious from the way the arrow is held that the actress playing this role knows less about archery than I do about quantum mechanics, which is nothing.

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  379. Shakazulu April 11, 2012 at 12:58 am #

    I speak for everyone here when I say we’re happy your world is always getting better, but–
    when western civ falls, don’t you think some of the dust will settle on SA? Who is Brazil going to sell all those cars to?

  380. Shakazulu April 11, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    Woa! Shaka12 what? Are there 11 others I don’t know about?

  381. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize “controversial” subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday…
    This is funny legislation. In education students are always encouraged to ask questions. When the truth is discovered through Socratic dialog, then minds change.
    An example of this happened to me on CFN. I questioned the laws of physics and through productive Socratic dialog with other posters the truth was discovered, and I changed my mind. I now believe in the laws of physics.

  382. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    Oh, this is precious!
    I borrowed 2 Kunstler books from my library yesterday and just got around to cracking The Long Emergency a minute ago. I read the front jacket blurb which continued on to the back jacket and then I noticed that on the blank side of the very last page of the book a note was printed out in pencil by a previous reader. Here’s what it said:
    “Don’t take this too seriously. This guy ain’t no scientist – hell, he doesn’t even know a half-decent editor.
    If you’re reading this, I have some advice:
    Go do something to get this out of your mind. Have a few drinks, light up a fat spliff, talk to somebody who doesn’t believe prophets of doom.
    Whatever you do for gods’ sakes don’t dwell on this book. All it has to offer is a nauseatingly smug vision of doom.”
    Analysis of note by Q:
    The printing in the note appears to be that of a young person, perhaps high school age. However, I speculate it was written by someone older since I don’t see any spelling, grammar or punctuation errors save the italicized words above which I feel should have read God’s sake although a convoluted argument could be made that he (or she) actually intended the possessive form of more than one (lower case, hinting at atheism) god and thus plural “sakes.” The note was unsigned.
    Q’s Note: We often hear people say “for Christ’s sakes” which they run all together so it sounds like “for ChriceSakes” but I hold that Christ (or God) would only have one “sake.” I covered this ground in another post several months ago.

  383. Bustin J April 11, 2012 at 1:45 am #

    “Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.” BS
    Ummh, does this mean that Asoka’s idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea? ”
    Oh, yeah. We should have kept the lid on Mexico and the rest of Central America. I guarantee the world would have been a better place if we had not meddled in Central America.
    Remittances are great but they are cargo cult cash. Migration turned central America into a place no one cares about.
    k-dog sed, “Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. ”
    Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.

  384. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Sorry, forgot to italicize gods’ sakes

  385. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    Its ‘just’ Big Brother watching us!
    ‘plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone’s “@-comments” on twaddle’
    Can you get someone to translate the ‘Chinese spams’ here, or are they gibberish?
    Vlad and Bucky, you might enjoy reading page 419 of ‘the Bell Curve’.

  386. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Pleeze! People who deface library books.
    Since when does someone need to be a [sigh] Scientist [underlined] to see Peak Everything
    I was just reading ‘Visions Of The Anointed’ in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!

  387. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    R U OEO?

  388. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!
    ============
    In which who says a few things? Who is he?

  389. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    ‘Are you too busy? Are you too cool?’
    Who made you King?

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  391. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 3:03 am #

    “Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.”
    There was a time when one became ill they were better off statistically to stay away from doctors. This is the current state of conventional economic understanding.
    Capitalism as it currently exists is totally incompatible with all efforts to save the environment. There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values. Rather than change values we instead choose ignorance. Consequently species extinction will continue until the species we eliminate is us.
    We may actually live to see the end of humanity.

  392. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 3:04 am #

    ‘Hopes she makes the right financial decisions from here on.’ Like buying a farm?

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  394. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 7:19 am #

    “Who started the small caps mania …”
    -Vlad
    I think that would be poet, author (The Enormous Room) and WW1 vet e.e. cummings.
    –WSP7

  395. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 7:38 am #

    How ’bout the upcoming $40,000 per plate Hollywood fundraiser for Obama hosted by George Clooney in his own SoCal home? Whats on the menu? I’m sure a lot of good stuff. Who will attend? Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out. And after dinner many of the guests are jetting off to Clooney’s private villa in the South of France to extend the festivities, including Mr. Sustainable Economy himself, Ed Begley.
    Owser types, take note. Draw your own conclusions.
    –WSP7

  396. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    I was wondering, do you think it possible for these HOLLYWOOD STARS, after the $40,000 dinner and before the soiree in Cannes, to stop in NYC, ride a limo from the airport to lower Manhattan, and partake in a photo op solidarity session with the remaining OWSERS, bedraggled and beleaguered as they are? New Haven Owsers could use help, too. It would certainly buoy spirits, as well as boost the revolutionary and iconoclastic bona fides of these annointed movie stars? They can’t lose! And it would still leave plenty of time to drink champaigne and discuss the revolution with Mick Jagger and other expats in SFrance.
    –WSP7

  397. ozone April 11, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    LOL!
    I’d guess it just shows-ta-go-ya that the glitterati are as bereft of ideas as any pandering politicos. Kinda gobsmacking that supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that’s clearly caused by business-as-usual. But, hey, if’n they got the dough-re-mi, perhaps it makes ’em feel better at least. (Does too much loose money engender loose thinking skills?)
    If I had an “extra” 40 grand [of pocket change] laying around, I wouldn’t be stuffing it into some politician’s war chest. Talk about your basic waste of capital!

  398. dgmoocher April 11, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    I agree with you on many points in your entertaining blog James, but I keep hearing that we’re going to crash going to crash going to crash and it keeps not happening at least (thank God) not in a dramatic way. Aren’t we already playing our new hand of hamburger flipping jobs?……
    This is it.

  399. ozone April 11, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Bustin sez:
    “Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.”
    The themes are [to my mind] in direct opposition.
    Who is it that keeps changing the subject or equating the two? Who benefits from this false conjunction?
    If the “folks” don’t start learning to read between the lines, they ain’t gonna make it.
    Can we say, “duuuuh”, while drooling? I knew we could! ;o)

  400. Crazy Horse April 11, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    What is to be done, young Sheeple? Take the C train.
    C is for Canada, as in civilized country. Whoops. Don’t think they will let you in, because somebody from China or Cambodia has already been admitted and they are twice as educated and twice as smart as you are. And those nice polite Canadians don’t really like being treated as a colony for all these years—.
    C is for Costa Rico. Plenty of jobs as real estate salesperson selling retirement homes to other Gringos. What’s that? You say gringos can no longer afford to retire because they have to defend their shopping cart space under a freeway overpass?
    C is for Columbia. Now you are getting warmer. Actually if you are referring to the women the word is HOT! You did take Spanish in college? Because nobody will give a shit about the other worthless crap you studied for a degree. You just might find yourself living in a country that looks with pity upon the third world conditions in the dying empire to the north in a few decades.
    C is for Chile. Prefer great wine to hot women? Want to live in a country that already is nipping at the heels of the USA for quality of life, and is not groaning under the burden of supporting a worldwide imperial army?
    Go South, young Man! And leave your student loan shackles behind.

  401. messianicdruid April 11, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    “There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values.”
    snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp
    “contemporary values” = there’s the rub… Who is responsible for these “contemporary values”?

  402. ozone April 11, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Further into the abyss, we hear the tolling of a lone bell in the far distance and a indistinct wail for self-realized life…
    “The pervasive false consciousness, engendered by the atomized, artificial nature of existence within the corporate/consumer state — e.g., the Media Age usurping of the innate longings of the human heart by transmuting desire into consumer craving — has not only left consumerist true believers bereft of the ability to honestly process information — but has rendered all too many unable to locate the source of their own suffering.” -Phil Rockstroh
    informationclearinghouse.info/article31037.htm
    Take heed, our enemies are well-ensconced in our very consciousness. The very best position for a predatory disease that wishes to retain both vampiric control and anonymity.

  403. ozone April 11, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    “an” indistinct (etc.)

  404. welles April 11, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    glad your world is always getting better…but– when western civ falls…
    wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since.
    we meet every challenge – food production, illness, transportation, energy, pollution, education.
    we are not going back, not going to collapse. we will simply adjust to any setbacks and find alternate ways to achieve abundance.
    …and the cfn’ers will be crying doom on their iphone27s from their hyper energy-efficient houses that consume 3% of today’s houses…
    think that’s a dream…in denmark they have houses that produce more energy than they consume, employing a mix of natural/technological methods.
    you ain’t seen nothing yet.
    CFN reminds me of the Patent Office director in 1898 who said the Office should be closed because everything had already been invented…
    what a laffable lot you are!
    peace peaceniks

  405. apingos April 11, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    Welles, Yes , the biggest adjustments will be to live within our means and to reduce the dependance on credit. These adjustments will be made, economies of scale will be created and co2 levels will eventually level off. In 20 years most folks will be driving electric cars. That’s the future i envision. I’m so encouraged to see the urban agriculture movement take off.

  406. ozone April 11, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    “wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since.” -welles
    And an electric personal transport vehicle for all, as well! Coooool! (BTW, what were we going to make those roads out of anyway?)
    I suppose this is why the Dept. of Fatherland S’kur’dy has just ordered 450 million rounds of .40 cal. hollow-point ammo. It’s to welcome in the new age of reason and enlightenment! Good to know there, welles; thanks.

  407. wardoc April 11, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    You missed my point entirely.
    Dementia must be a terrible disease with which to cope.
    “sarcasm on,sarcasm off.” please….

  408. San Jose Mom 51 April 11, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Hi Q,
    I found something from the front page of today’s “San Jose Mercury News” that I know you will appreciate. The headline reads, “Sometimes, an F really is better than a D”
    “Prechous Hodges wants her F back. And that’s just one of the twists in the bizarre grade saga enveloping Antioch’s Dozier-Libbey Medical High School, where some parents complained that the school’s rigorous grading system pushed their stressed-out kids to the point of depression and the school district responded by changing dozens of F’s handed out the past for years to D’s.
    Now, some students are saying the passing grades are actually hindering their college plans, and teachers believe the policy change has some students trying to fail classes.”
    The article goes on to say that they prefer an “F” because then they can take the class over again in the summer and get a good grade. Does this make sense?
    Jen
    P.S. There is a picture of Prechous on the front page. Do you want to guess her ethnicity?

  409. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    At JCs some dont want a ‘D’. Something about if you want to retake a class you need an ‘F’?

  410. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Thomas Sowell talks about a judge who made a ruling in favor of a pest, that he be allowed to use library / harrass people.
    Clinton promoted the judge. Sowell calls it vagrant
    [his term] v. ‘homeless’ [this homeless guy inherited “beaucoup” bucks.

  411. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Here in El Lay there are [and these may be elsewhere as well]Biodiesel Limos so folks can go to the Academy Awards in a big but green way!
    Did Bono get to build his series of houses on the Malibu mountain? I hope not.

  412. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Does this make sense?
    ===========
    Yo Jen, I agree with your rhetorical question that (on the surface) it really sounds nuts but after much googling I was able to locate the article and now understand the logic of these kids preferring the F grade.
    The photo you mentioned was of a 16 year old somewhat overweight black girl who might possibly pass for 34.
    Below is a link for anyone who cares to read about a school changing its grading policy and touching off unintended consequences.
    A question: How is the name Prechous pronounced? Precious? Preck-oose? Where DO they get these names?!
    mercurynews.com/news/ci_20367786/grading-at-new-antioch-magnet-high-school-has

  413. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    “Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out.”
    “The operatives of the One Percent (the shapers of cultural awareness) are dream twisters…usurpers of yearning. They are well aware that the heart’s language is expressed in the lexicon of transformation…of the deep-dwelling human longing to find the sublime in quotidian experience…a mode of being we term freedom i.e., a desire to have one’s unique character forged by one’s choices in life, as one negotiates the happenstance of unfolding fate.”
    Phil Rockstroh
    And to echo Ozone, another sustainable dog:
    “Supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that’s clearly caused by business-as-usual.”
    K-dog for president, spread the word. Write me in. Let me be the next Guy Fawkes.

  414. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Hey antisoak out in LA do you ever see any of these hypocritical f—-rs cruising around town (in their Bentleys)?
    Also, its not ‘Bono’, its ‘Saint Bono’.
    –WSP7

  415. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supra-national organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: “Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?”

    Why Socialism?

  416. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    No, when he looks in the mirror it is Saint Bono.

  417. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Saint Bono in rose colored glasses.

  418. San Jose Mom 51 April 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Our school simply doesn’t have summer school due to budget cuts. If you want to turn an “F” into a better grade, you have to retake the class at a private school that offers summer school at a price, or take the class via BYU, at a cost of $150. The BYU finals are proctered at a local school/community college. The proctors have to pass some kind of BYU qualification and have to carefully monitor the test taker to make sure they don’t cheat. Some kids at our local high school take BYU classes to enhance their transcript.