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Sunday night was Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos’s turn through the CBS 60-Minutes wringer of censure with a visibly frustrated inquisitor Lesley Stahl trying to hector her into self-incrimination. The sad truth about American schools is that they’re a mirror for the painful collapse of the society they supposedly serve — a process ongoing for decades before Ms. DeVos came on the scene.
The expectation that some uber-regent can or ought to fix public education is bound to disappoint a news media searching for saviors. The further we leave the 20th century behind, the more anomalous its organizing principles look, especially the idea of preparing masses of young people for mass, regimented work at the giant corporate scale.
There’s a big divergence underway between the promises of schooling and the kind of future that the 21st century is actually presenting — of no plausible careers or vocations besides providing “therapy” and policing for the discontented masses stewing in anomie and compensatory pleasure-seeking, with all its nasty side effects. In the meantime, we’re stuck with wildly expensive, out-of-scale, giant centralized schools where the worst tendencies of human status competition are amplified by smart phones and social media to all but eclipse classroom learning.
Education in the years to come is destined to become more of a privilege than a right, and it will probably depend more on how much an individual young person really desires an education than just compelling masses of uninterested or indisposed kids to show up everyday for an elaborate and rather poorly supervised form of day-care. But it’s difficult to let go of old habits and obsolete arrangements, especially when we’ve spent countless billions of dollars on them.
I call the future a World Made By Hand because it is going to be entirely unlike the sci-fi robotic fantasy that currently preoccupies the thought-leaders in this culture. A lot of what will be required in this time-to-come will be physical labor and small-scale skilled work in traditional crafts. There never were that many job openings for astronauts, not even in the 1960s, but in the decades ahead there will be none — notwithstanding Elon Musk’s wish to colonize Mars.
Even if you believe the current model of education must be defended and “fixed,” two issues stood out in Ms. DeVos’s interrogation. One was the question of behavior in the classroom. The Dept of Education under Mr. Obama put out a directive to reduce suspensions of black and Hispanic students because they were being punished at a greater rate than whites and Asians and it looked bad.
Lesley Stahl tried to put over this idea as if it were just a matter of racial animus.
“…let’s say there’s a disruption in the classroom,” she said, “and a bunch of white kids are disruptive and they get punished, you know, go see the principal, but the black kids are, you know, they call in the cops. I mean, that’s the issue: who and how the kids who disrupt are being punished.”
I doubt that it happens that way. Rather, it’s probably the case that there is more disruption among the black student demographic, and probably more violent disruption. The reasons may range from bad parenting (especially absent fathers), inability of students to express themselves (and subsequent frustration) due to poor language skills that are not corrected in school, and the victim narrative that emanates from the universities and distorts culture everywhere else. But to actually state that would be branded as “racist,” so the authorities have to dissemble acrobatically to evade the truth, and in the end it’s learning that suffers.
The other issue was the Obama-era directive (“guidance,” they call it) that sexual misconduct be prosecuted more aggressively by colleges and universities. That led to an era of campus kangaroo courts in which due process of law was cast aside in favor of medieval-style star chambers where the accused had no right to a lawyer, or cross-examination of their accusers, and other established legal protections. Apparently, the producers of 60-Minutes thought that was a good idea, and that Betsy DeVos should not attempt to change it.
Of course, school shootings are the most shocking symptom that something has gone terribly wrong in the system we’ve set up for occupying children and teens. It will be very hard to do anything about that without turning the buildings into something like medium security prisons. We’ve already managed to design them to look like that, but now we’re seriously talking about turning teachers into armed guards. And I’m sure we’ll be spending additional billions to fortify the entrances with metal detectors and officers to mind them. That will only shove the school districts a little closer to bankruptcy.
I felt a little sorry for Ms. DeVos. She seems to understand, at least, that the trend is taking us away from the system we currently know to some uncharted territory of social organization.
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Why don’t you know that you can be anything you want? Just dream it. Who needs math and science classes? Why all the movies now portray minorities as the brilliant ones and the women are kicking white male ass. Life is about fantasy and gratification. Meanwhile, Americans have zero idea how food gets from seed to market. Era of the dumbass.
All I had to do was a quick Google.
http://www.eminusacademy.com/food-systems-from-seed-to-market.html
A whole course on it. All the information at our fingertips. If you move your finger that is. Which won’t happen. There is no motivation to move the finger.
A big problem is to know what is useful to know and what is not. We are buried in digital information. Empire in decline cannot possibly provide any good direction to know what is useful and what is not.
There is a depth of knowledge problem. Easy access to mountains of data provides surface level knowledge that does not go deep. Jacks of all and master of nothing is what constant exposure to the Internet will do, but only among our curious. The rest only Google on a need to know basis.
Our world has changed but to what we do not know.
A big problem is to know what is useful to know and what is not. We are buried in digital information. Empire in decline cannot possibly provide any good direction to know what is useful and what is not.
Nailed it K-Dog! Woof, woof!
Agree. All hail google. Of course the google algorithms will determine what politically correct gardening information you get. All hail google. I think I will google starvation and see what I get.
Better run if it spits back your picture!
And manure. Don’t forget the manure. (An overabundance of the magic gardening compound is found in political and school board haunts btw – enough to cover the Earth.)
I think the biggest problem has to do with the average person failing to educate themselves throughout their lives. They neglect seeing that their kids are educated because they are uneducated themselves. A country full of people who aren’t aware of what’s going on is a country that can be bamboozled into just about anything. I think the current state of politics shows that. That old saying: “Democracy contains the seeds of it’s own destruction” is being proven true. A functional Democracy needs it’s citizens to be educated and aware to enable it to stay alive. In ancient Greece, the only people who were able to vote and to become citizens were required to participate in phalanx warfare against other cities. They wore bronze armor, carried shields, and were armed with swords(kopis), and the sarissa (spear), and no citizen was exempt. Socrates took his turn in the phalanx like everybody else. Seems to me that people should have to show some commitment in order to participate in their government. I took my turn, I was a draftee. People who expect to have a good life in their country should have some skin in the game. Unfortunately, since we seem to have fallen asleep at the wheel, we let the Oligarchs usurp the government. We pissed it away, and now it’s too late to get it back.
An excellent point captain – far too many people starting out life getting “educated” but then instead of continuing the process themselves, they switch to entertaining themselves instead. Of course if you were those 1%ers sitting on top of the pile of humanity that we are, would you really want to encourage any of the herd to be truly “educated” as to how hard they are being “screwed by the system” as George Carlin used to assert? I think not. Fat and stupid is far safer than lean and hungry don’t you think?
Walter B,
That nail-head was hiding in the shadows, hoping not to be hammered, but you found it and whacked it a good wallop! 😉
Yessir, “Yonder Cassius” is far more of a danger than any corpulent, non-thinking waddler.
Good point. I think I have reached the point where I am convinced that no matter where you drill into the received narrative it turns out to be completely wrong.
As you say, the information is out there but few want to make an independent effort to see for themselves. You have to find informed people who you can trust, both that they know what they are talking about and that they are honest. Then you can compare the different opinion and with your own experience and opinions.
I have come across a few gifted amateur researchers but you don’t have to have a flair for it (I don’t), you just need to actually try it. I don’t always agree with them, though, and I certainly wouldn’t agree with their wider judgements.
There is nothing like setting aside half an hour or an hour to look into a story. When you do it yourself and watch it (usually) turning to dust in front of your own eyes it leaves a lasting impression. it could be Harvey Weinstein’s latest accuser or anti-depressants. It is hard work and I only do it occasionally but I don’t think that is the reason people simply won’t do it. It goes deeper than that.
Just to clarify, sources of opinion would include the likes of Mr Kunstler and Peter Hitchens, who would have a developed wider view of things, while researchers are usually confined to specialist areas. Compare, contrast and make up your own mind.
If you are living in the fantasy then you won’t want to do this as it risks demolishing part or all of your make-believe world and your most earnest beliefs.
I’m thinking of Tessering out to the Pleiades in search of some nice Class-m planets but haven’t quite gotten the meditation thing down yet…
Look up the NYT’s article For Weinstein a Brush with the Law, for a start. Try Donna Laframboise’s No Frakking Consensus website for the story behind the IPCC, again for a start. Rupert Sheldrake’s website for the Skeptical Guerrillas’ campaign against him on Wikipedia. There is an interesting article there about Richard Dawkins interviewing him just to ridicule him in the finished article, despite prior assertions that their intentions were sincere. Look up Colin Flaherty’s White Girl Bleed A Lot website for his podcast about American schools and how sending your children to many of them is child abuse because they are so dangerous. Search for the judgement clearing Professor John Walker-Smith criticizing the startling flaws in the GMC’s procedures when they struck him off, and consider Andrew Wakefield’s position as 90% of this applied to him too. Look up the extraordinary story of Shieldfield on the late Richard Webster’s Sceptical Essays website. Look up the NYT’s (or is it the Washington Posts) list of Donald Trump’s lies and compare this childish hair splitting with the systematic distortion of the truth by the West’s media. Watch David Cole’s hilarious 1994 speech about his appearance with Dr Michael Shermer on the Donohue Show, though I am not saying you should necessarily believe it. Have a look at Rory Connor’s excellent Irish Salem website for the bizarre anticlerical witch hunt in Ireland – this video is a good place to start. Listen to what the man says and then read what he told local radio some years earlier: http://irishsalem.blogspot.ie/2018/02/recovered-memory-and-allegations-of.html
Whatever needs to be done, I sure don’t trust the likes of Betsy DeVos to do it. But you’re probably right that what needs to be done is too big a job even for an education “czar”.
Betsy is Suze Orman of education.
Name Betsy DeVos rings that “seriousness” and combined with cheerleader-like dumb confidence is what brought her to be a “czar” of something.
DeVos is an over-paid lesbian media whore?
In other words, you don’t want to each child one by one. You want to group them into races and then when Blacks act up far more, (as they always will as that is their nature), you want to cry racism. Now what does that have to do with education?
More severe penalties for the same infraction? That always throw liberals for a loop – or so they pretend. But penalties typically refer to previous incidents, or a record in other words. And Blacks typically have a much longer one than Whites.
Taking people one by one was the recommendation of Murray and Hernstein in the “Bell Curve” as well. But as Jared Taylor said, you people were never going to accept that. Nor your minority clients. Because then your power would be broken. Thus other measures are called for – segregation and separation for starters.
Excellent comment!!!
Maybe we will feel less sorry for ole betsy when we remember she and her pals spent 2mil on a referendum in Michigan to privatize schools and it went down in flames. Her charter school initiative is a thinly veiled plan to get at all that public money just the same as those who are trying to privatize social security…they want the money. The charters are not unionized which is another way to view the future…all that toil will be without democracy in the workplace,ie, unions. The right towork…for less. The other more intersting story on 60 Minutes was Oprah telling us that the first question to ask disruptive students is “what happened to you”…. not… “what’s the matter with you?” Once again jhk is giving the libertarians a pass. The devos family was fined and paid the Canadian gov’t over 50 mil for bank fraud.
Betsy is related in some way to one of the founders of Amway, which is a multi-level marketing system that victimizes low-income people. Amway is a gigantic scam.
Betsy is related in some way to one of the founders of Amway – sprawl
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related in some way? That is pretty faint condemnation, sprawl. God knows what sins may have been committed by someone I was in some way related to.
“Related in some way” = married to the son of the founder. Her husband ran Amway for a decade, until he decided to go into politics. I think that qualifies as living off the profits of Amway.
Fine, then why not say so up front? Why obscure the truth of the matter with words such as “related in some way?”
Your next chore is to list all the companies whose profits you consider tainted in a fashion similar to Amway’s.
I watch 60 Minutes each week now, just to see how far they will take their liberal, leftist reporting. This week left me feeling like vomiting for the rest of the night. This country is indeed in for some rude awakenings. While wandering among the vegetable plants this weekend at the local nursery, I was amazed at the shape of the average person there. Morbidly obese and obviously incapable of performing even the most basic tasks without dying of a heart attack. When we return to a world made by hand, those people are going to die off in very short order.
Not very short order. More like the Hemingway quote.
“How did you go bankrupt?” Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”
I couldn’t agree more with you. I recently turned 60 and my wife is 61. She grew up on a farm not far from us here in Montana and we farm on the land that was part of my inheritance. Over the years we expanded it. And again and again. Needless to say we have stayed very busy. And raised 4 big strong strapping Montana Farm Boys. That all came back from college and live and work here each one married except for the youngest.
Each time we go to the biiig city of Spokane we see such kind of people. See a few down in Missoula and down in Billings. Not many. Not like Spokane Portland Seattle!! I know for a fact the reason that my wife and I stay in such good shape is because we stay so physically active. During planting and harvest it’s easy for us to be up out in the fields 15 to 18 hours.
I stated over the years we expanded our farm and today we farm 31,688 acres. Technology has made dryland grain farming far more productive per acre. Since !auto steer and precision planting” all done by satellite. Lotta hours sitting in the cab of one of 6 of our Cat Challenger 1000 series Tractors. Just in case the system decides to go haywire and steer off some other place. 🙂 🙂
My wife’s family were dryland grain farmers. It was sold out and now is all housing tracts.
The school district here has a “zero tolerance” policy concerning bullying coupled to a discipline regimen that forbids anything potentially damaging to the “self esteem” of the students. Anyone want to wager on the outcome of this idiocy?
“Zero tolerance”violates the religious beliefs of anyone with a religion based around Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, which proves that there are true statements that cannot be proved within mathematics. And math is a much more perfect system of rules than any 2-bit school admin can come up with.
Collapse of tax revenues to run these child warehousing concentration camps cannot happen soon enough.
“Zero tolerance” is an invitation to mindless abuse in the name of maintaining order. Mandated actions like suspensions thwart processes of thoughtful evaluation and measured response by persons employed by the schools–their teachers, administrators and counselors– we should hope have such capacity and which we are supposedly paying them to have and use.
“Zero tolerance” means if a dude sucker punches you, you BOTH get suspended for fighting. No discussion, no investigation…
Therefore,
If someone sucker punches you, you should stab them because it will not affect the outcome of the incident; you will both be suspended for fighting as per the zero tolerance for fighting “initiative”
Actually, it works out better for you in the long run to be known throughout the school as a person who carries knives and is not afraid to stab anybody who fucks with them.
Yes, as Lao Tzu said long ago: Close the schools. The people will benefit a hundred fold. Let the “kids” start their lives of working in the fields and factories, marrying, and being taken in marriage.
Only the very few can benefit from advanced education and given the nature of American State, all of that should be private. Unfortunately.
Initially, it would be chaos. Video gaming hives would flourish for a time. As would petty & serious crime. Eventually, as JHK’s long emergency unfolds, and the long bumpy plateau begins its long uneven descent to a world made by hand facilitated by manual labor, the untapped muscle power would be absorbed.
Asking the tax payers to pay for expensive private schools in the inverted welfare for the wealthy system is not an answer either.
Where will we get the money?
Who has to pay for the privatized system. The American tax payer will have to pay the bill because the Public systems are far less expensive than private.
As I see the mechanations throughout all the privatization schemes in all areas of this administration is that the Milton Friedman Neoliberal model keeps creating the model that in privatizing the public means big money for the properly placed people who gain from this.
PUBIC/PRIVATE is the issue. Who makes up the difference in costs since the profit center costs more than the public.
Do you think the public SHOULD pay for public schools? Start with that 19th-Century Prussian innovation, never seen before then.
Like any bureaucracy, you can either serve the intended beneficiaries of it, the children, or serve the bureaucracy itself. The people who do the former lose out in policy-making power to the people who do the latter, so you get power and resource flow to the internal politicians. The result is the system we have after a long period of degeneration.
Time for a reset. Most kids learn all they need to learn by 5th grade anyway. Eighth grade max.
You are right!
The dirty little secret of the Conservative answers to the education crisis is that the primary function of education is baby sitting and not education. Charter schools and vouchers are elitist solutions that just pack a few schools with hand picked students that make them look superior to public schools. So what do you do with the “other” students. Put them in public schools with a wink and a smile. “Lost” students and their future models perfectly what the Deep State wants, a permanent sub-class of governmentally dependent people.
“The dirty little secret of the Conservative answers to the education crisis is that the primary function of education is baby sitting and not education”
John,
Do you remember the movie circa 1953, “The Blackboard Jungle”? What I remember from the movie was, of course, the soundtrack, and also a bit of dialog between two teachers where one opines that their job was to “keep the lid on the garbage can”….
I sure do, and that was 1953.
Should be organizing principles.
You’re right. My bad. — JHK
The bottom line is that our system of education no longer works. Way back when, public education was a small one-room building where children of all ages were learning readin’, writin’ and ‘rithmatic. Now, parents have completely given up on educating their children (except for rare home schooling) and passed on that responsibility to 3rd parties. It isn’t really the parents’ fault. Our society is structured to serve corporations and both parents now have to work to survive – if they can find work – usually drudge, meaningless work.
In order to fix public education, we first need to fix our society.
BTW, I still haven’t decided if education is a right or or a privilege; I’m leaning to the latter.
“BTW, I still haven’t decided if education is a right or or a privilege; I’m leaning to the latter.”
It’s neither. It’s the law of the land with suitable penalties for non-compliance.
Compulsory child incarceration/indoctrination not education is the objective of American public schools at this present point in time.
Way back when that small one room building taught mental discipline.
Facility with the basic R’s meant that when one needed to learn detailed knowledge in depth students had tools to learn it. A visit to a library and attendees of your small one room buildings were far better suited to achieve success than the released inmates of our modern architectural award winning schools built at 1000 times the cost.
What do you pay in school taxes, BTB? I’m over 8k per year, and my wife and I never sent any children to public school, nor attended ourselves. 8K is cheap for our area, where school taxes regularly run to 15k.
My sense is that fewer and fewer people can pay these levels of taxation, thus locking poorer parents out of well-funded school districts. Fewer and fewer upper middle class people, too, since you’d need 4K a month in income just to pay the school taxes at present.
you’d need 4K a month in income just to pay the school taxes – DrTom
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There’s something wrong with your math here. If you pay 8K per year in school taxes how do you get 4K a month (which = 48K per year) in income just to pay the school taxes?
Don’t get me wrong, I get the gist of your complaint. I pay over 13K in property tax per year and the vast portion of it goes to support the schools.
Oddly, our host complains as follows: “we’re stuck with wildly expensive, out-of-scale, giant centralized schools where the worst tendencies…etc. In my tiny little hamlet of 15,000 souls the problem is the opposite. We should join with other tiny hamlets to end endless duplication of administration and thereby enjoy “economies of scale.”
And another thing DrTom, you say you never sent any children to public school. Does this mean you have no children or you have children but either home schooled them or sent them to private schools? Further, neither you nor your wife attended public schools. How/where did you get your education?
Catholic Schools can answer both those questions.
We should join with other tiny hamlets to end endless duplication of administration
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I say this as though I favor some system of ‘public education’… which I don’t.
Oh, I was talking about 12-15k in taxes, Q. It used to be that you could put no more than 33% of your pay towards PITI, with taxes being the T. So at 15K you need to earn 3750 a month just to qualify on paying the taxes. Around NYC now, especially with the inability of most to deduct interest and taxes any more, that easily becomes 4K.
As prices have risen, I understand it’s now permitted to spend 42% of gross income on housing. I think that’s nuts and a lifetime of debt slavery and house poverty.
Jeez. Louise. Where do you live??
MM, to whom are you directing ^this^ question, DrTom or me?
MM,
In the event you were talking to me……. I live in a small town in central NJ. I said it contained 15,000 souls but the true number as of the 2010 census is a touch under 14,000.
The land area is 1.819 sq miles which when converted comes to 1164.16 acres. This number of acres will fit 26 times into your 31,000 acre ‘farm.’
Next I am going to see if your ‘farm’ is bigger than the state of Rhode Island.
No, MM, your farm is not larger than Rhode Island. 25 of your farms will fit into RI.
Therein lies the nut of the matter – local school taxes. From where I sit, this also appears as a form of school segregation; although they tried to fix it for a while with “busing”.
In the other 9/10ths of the OECD, or economically leading countries school taxes are collected at a higher level of government and distributed equally to all regions – in theory anyway. Now this goes back almost 40 years, but from what I saw in the day going to a multitude of schools for tournaments that seemed to be the case.
As an aside, our new high school was the only one called “The Hilton” because we had a dining room and elevator. The dining room was because we had a pre-college chef training program and the elevator because we were the first handicap accessible school in the whole Province.
Aside from the cultural influences – and we’ve got them too – once again the root cause of America’s troubles seem to lie within the macro monetary arrangements. And learning from the other countries would be, just well heaven forbid, unAmerican!
Think I have to add to Mark Twain’s definition of the worst kind of lies, “Lies. Damnable Lies, and Statistics”, with the worst kinds of Ignorance; “Ignorance. Localized Ignorance, and Willful Ignorance”. It is the latter that is really defined as stupidity.
Silly me, invoking Mark Twain and not quoting an even more appropriate gem, “If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.”
Stadiums, athletic fields, fancy computers, internet connections, remodeling, HVAC, administrator salaries, etc., etc., etc
Ever seen “Waiting for Superman?”
Shocked by the exponential increases in costs and declining performance
In my view a classroom needs nothing but a teacher, pencils, calculators, white/blackboard, and a stack of paper
Everything else is superfluous junk
We didn’t have calculators.
The problem with the expense of public schools is not just the enormous cost to taxpayers, but how that money is allocated. I pay over half my property taxes to schools and don’t have children, either. I consider it part of the cost of having a civilized society. However, the success of public education in the US varies widely by district.
An example: A friend of mine left Portland (OR) to attend law school in Minneapolis nearly two years ago. She was told by Portland school counselors that her twin teenaged sons, both of whom have disabilities, would likely never graduate high school. This is a district that ranks near the bottom nationally in graduation rates. It’s also a district that heavy on administrative costs and low on spending for teachers and classrooms, with teacher/student ratios at 30-40:1. Minneapolis is known for having some of the best schools in the country, with highly specialized curriculums, particularly in the trades, including industrial shop, auto mechanics, all kinds of computer specialities, etc. Local companies help subsidize these programs, with the incentive that they will be able to employ these trained students right out of high school.
My friend’s sons are thriving and excelling at their new school, with each choosing a trade they expect to work in. Not only will they graduate, they stand to have a bright future. It’s truly a miraculous transformation that they would never have experienced had my friend not moved. It makes you wonder how many other students are languishing in public schools, being taught to pass tests to federalized standards when instead they could be learning valuable life skills. All of those millions of potentially wasted lives is a sobering and tragic thought.
jloughrey, Jim’s subject and your post provide insight and an explanation for the senseless chaos we see on a daily basis.
A significant percent of society (professionals and teachers included) are unable to comprehend that individuals are “wired” differently, and are ignorant about the needs and perspectives of individuals with various “disabilities”.
The school system was set-up to accommodate the majority, with a one-size-fits-all mindset, and is struggling to evolve, in an attempt to accommodate those individuals with a “disability”.
What seems to be missing is the knowledge that some disability groups excel at certain occupations, whereas others do not. Perhaps, like so many other issues, given the parameters of (i) free choice (you can be anything you want to be), and (ii) these are your options (a person with dyslexia should not go into a profession that requires a lot of reading), management can either (i) go insane (“these are your options” is a snake pit), or (ii) select a colorful Band-Aid and hope to hide the problem.
Given the various “wirings”, there needs to be different teaching formats to maximize basic learning within each group (but how to apply the label, and how to afford the various formats? (The legal system will be in hog heaven!)).
It also appears that the structure does not recognize that there is a wide range of talent and intellect within any “disability” group, and as a result of not figuring out how to accommodate the various group needs, anyone with a “disability” tends to be rejected by the “System” (individuals who have been labeled as having a “disability” have an attached stigma of “I may be dumb, but I’m not stupid.”, as well as being fed through a cobbled-together “disability” learning format that yields poor results).
Meanwhile the “System” and their mouthpieces are scratching their collective heads trying to figure out why the sudden onslaught of chaos, unable to comprehend that there is nothing sudden about it, that it is just the consequence of years/generations of conditioning, coupled with a (flawed) System that can no longer provide legitimate opportunity for all, plus the inflexibility to change with the times.
Society also needs to recognize that the evolution of technology, by condition, will change the way users process information and function (in short order, the format may need to change again).
What are their disabilities, and what respective trades do they plan to pursue?
Education was a right set up by the Founders as a necessity for a republican democratic society. People need to be educated to be able to make competent decisions in the voting booth. Wow, what happened?
If it was a right, how come we didn’t know about it until Horace Mann in the 1840s? That’s WELL after the Founders had floundered and shuffled off this mortal coil.
You are right. The Founders did not put it into the Constitution. Jefferson put together a proposal for the state of Virginia on the basic structure of primary through university education in 1789. It was not incorporated for fifty years. Washington put to Congress for a National University, which never occurred, but it is considered one of the supports for the formation of West Point. John Adams supported publically funded education to support the need for an educated public in democracy. He said this was one of the few things that he agreed with Jefferson. So they did not give it as a right, but definitely knew it was necessary.
Sidebar. The idea of education being a “right” for all people arose from the passage of amendment number 14.
Neither of them believed in letting everyone vote. That’s the fundamental disaster. You can’t teach taste, good judgment, fairness, or wisdom. Only the few should go to High School. And only the very few beyond that. People aren’t educable by and large.
Well, Higher Education is different from K12. As CHenry points out, that got going later.
One wonders if the universities at the Federal level were meant to eventually be fed by k12 schools? Point well taken on Jefferson and co.
I’m astounded at how ignorant the public is of how the DNA strands of Western philosophy spiraled up through ages of discourse on principles of self-criticism and objective analysis of empirical evidence. Not, as some commenting on this site seem to prefer, handed down on golden tablets.
No, it really wasn’t a right. It was a practical accommodation to community living and the rising need for large numbers of persons educated enough to be instructable to function in an emerging industrial economy. The steam engine was as much a factor as Horace Mann in the development of mass education; we needed formalized and uniform education factories to develop the human capital to work in industrial factories. The founders may have admired the benefits of education, literate citizens could at least buy the printed ephemera of the day, but education was then still a private matter of tutors and the resources of one’s family.
who said anything about voting?
Surely you oppose mob rule?
Besides, who needs voters when the pope is telling them who to vote for?
Or maybe neither–
Per John Taylor Gatto, between 1850 and 1910, the purpose of education morphed from enabling children to take part in Democracy and manage their work (usually a farm) to a conditioning process to allow them to meekly take orders and work in giant factories.
https://www.amazon.com/Dumbing-Down-Curriculum-Compulsory-Schooling/dp/0865718547
We are losing this generation of kids because we lost their parents before them. If we lose another generation, viable grandparents will no longer exist and all trace of Myth America vanishes forever. Our history will be written abroad by others.
History has already been manifested by the mass media – TeeVee and cinema – in America, with revisionism being the lens through which it was filmed.
Ask any teenaged boy today who Audie Murp[hy was, then ask who LeBron James is…..the answer will tell you everything you need to know.
Absolutely Outstanding Comment!!!! Bravo!!! Bravo!!! Bravo!!! 100% Spot On!!!
There’s a big divergence underway between the promises of schooling and the kind of future that the 21st century is actually presenting — of no plausible careers or vocations besides providing “therapy” and policing for the discontented masses stewing in anomie and compensatory pleasure-seeking, with all its nasty side effects. In the meantime, we’re stuck with wildly expensive, out-of-scale, giant centralized schools where the worst tendencies of human status competition are amplified by smart phones and social media to all but eclipse classroom learning.
Yes, and this continues on at most colleges and universities. There’s always going to be a need for personalized learning. Our systems are all scaled, however, for large, depersonalized indoctrination. The mass shootings that don’t take place at college probably result from the psychic bloodletting of show trials.
None of these places are set up to deal with young men as they actually are. Others note the number of school shooters who were on drugs; the one common thread is all were male. We simply don’t know what to do with young men now, black OR white. The shootings and the show trials at colleges reflect our utter failure as a society to come to grips with this fact.
A small consequence of advanced politically correct hyper-Capitalism: young males as a wasteproduct of the system.
Sending them voluntarily or from compulsion to bloody war was the historical method of surplus demographic reduction.
Yes, imo Betsy does deserve most of the shit she has been catching.
But otherwise today’s post was spot-on and fun to read, eg “There never were that many job openings for astronauts” – lol
Tom Wolfe wrote something similar a generation ago regarding the porte-parole function of Madame Secretary of Education: “Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers” yes?
VCS, I agree that “Betsy does deserve most of the shit she has been catching.”
Kunstler “felt a little sorry for Ms. DeVos. She seems to understand, at least, that the trend is taking us away from the system we currently know to some uncharted territory of social organization.”, but she’s doing the driving.
Add to that her brother, Erik Prince founded Blackwater, the mercenaries backing her boss and fellow cabinet members, and you got trouble right here in the USA.
And why do you feel she deserve it? And did you vote for Hillary? If you did that’s all u need to know. That alone gives me your entire resume.
I did not vote for Hillary, but thanks for “giv[ing] me your entire resume” by declaring that would be enough for you to know all you need to know.
MM,
I also did not vote for HRC. She’s…deplorable.
Maybe things aren’t as black-or-white as you seem to think?
The schools have essentially become trade schools (aka, holding pens) of a sort for a lucky few for the corporate oligarchy. In that light, they’re purposely devoid of critical thinking skills, although the answer to the most basic one of all – is there a future in any of this shit? – is now painfully obvious to a critical mass of the young laddies and lasses. In that light, school shootings and all the various sorts of acting out these days are increasingly rational to a youth cohort that is fed up with being kept in the dark and asked to eat shit every day of their young lives. Matter of fact, the one’s acting out are the most rational of all, in that they see the problem clearly and suffer no denial about its causes and effects. The corporate lockstep j-a-w-b-s they’re being promised are no longer there, so their future comes down to one of desolation, desperation, and an early death from any number of causes, ubiquitous smartphones and social media notwithstanding. Why bother, indeed?
Yep. The stable middle class breadwinner job has disappeared, and they’re not coming back. You need a different sort of education for that.
Apprenticeships, as in a world made by hand.
The stable middle class breadwinner job has disappeared, and they’re not coming back. – DrTom
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You, our host, and every commenter on this blog hammers away at this meme of ‘no jobs’ and yet the Govt tells us the unemployment rate is as low as it’s been in decades (I think the figure is 4.1%).
And, I think it was just last Friday morning that the ’employment figures’ were released showing a gain in employment of 313,000 jobs which was much higher than the ‘expected gain.’ On that news the DOW took off like a rocket. Maybe one of you geniuses out there can explain this disconnect. Are the Govt figures total BS?
Did you, my stable genius friend, look at the types of jobs that were created? And, my SGF, do you know how those numbers are actually created?
Have a little look behind the curtain:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
The DOW only has revalence to about 10% of the population.
Do you really believe that Black male unemployment is 5%? Or whatever it is for everyone for that matter?
365k of those jobs were part-time, Q. So, since the total jobs number rose 313K, we have the loss of 52K in full time work.
Look beyond the headlines and you see the Main Street depression,
I take the phrase “breadwinner Jobs” from David Stockman. He may be wrong. He does make convincing arguments, however.
Anecdotally, theres very few people I know my age (31) who work only one job, myself included. That includes just about every teacher i know and many tradespeople. College educated natives and immgrants from central america, doesn’t matter. Its not by choice its what most have to do to get by around here. Only ones who have only one breadwinner-type are in financial services in NYC. I also don’t know anybody right now who is unemployed but careers arent what they used to be. Adjusted for inflation, wages have not kept up with expenses and increased cost of living.
To me this seems how unemployment is low, the economy is “good” and yet many are still struggling and cant save any money. Healthcares more expensive, local taxes are higher, housing, food, gas all cost more than 20-30 years ago (adjusted for inflation) and wages/salaries have not kept up. So even when there’s plenty of jobs and high employment, people are still squeezed.
Funny. I know so many welders pipe fitters for starters that are never out of work. Never, ever, have been. Like the gentleman before me that commented to you about the low unemployment data. Oh. Don’t throw out that old saw of “yes but most are part time jobs. Negative. Anyone can go on our Federal Government website and see the actual data of full time versus part time.
I bet you don’t even know the number of new plants slated to built this year by companies closing overseas plants and opening up new ones here. Hint. The number is between 9 and 16.
is there a future in any of this shit?
I see the mistake of thinking young laddies are thinking this way being made all the time. Except for a few nerd outliers I do not think they are or can. Young laddies are not aware that they are being kept in the dark and asked to eat shit every day of their young lives. You expect them to be smarter than their parents?
You are aware of the fact of no future and you are projecting that on our youth. You also project that they care. They do not. They embrace the dark. In the dark one can be a child forever and that is what becomes the goal when adults provide no direction. You assume rationality in a generation that eats fantasy for breakfast. When they eat breakfast.
I think they realize it, if only at a subliminal level, represented by “the dark.” Realistically, choosing to remain a child forever makes good sense in a society which has no use for you anyway. It’s delusional of course, but no more so than playing the game and losing no matter what.
So? Quit your field which is working to put people out of work and destroy humanity. And/Or –
Support the 10,000 dollar stipend for every American.
Are you freeing people for cultured leisure – or to die under bridges?
Last time you avoided the issue by calling people lazy. Your 18 year old self would have seen thru that.
“I see the mistake of thinking young laddies are thinking this way”
Dog,
In this you are correct…the young are optimists…hardwired.
The young are fearless — due to a lack of knowledge to the contrary.
The best schools in the World cannot make up for shitty parents, kids who don’t know how to work, and for kids that have no realistic goals or any idea on how to achieve them. I taught high school for a few years and often had students talk to me about their backup plans for failing. They were planning to become sports stars!
“I’m going to the NHL”
“Have you been scouted yet”
“No, but that doesn’t mean anything”
“Actually, most NHLers are scouted and tracked by age 13. Maybe we should get the assignment done….just in case”
I have had students tell me they were going to be MLB pitchers, be in movies, or any variety of celebrity occupations. I used to have one student in a remedial math program who informed me he was going to make $250,000/yr on Youtube as a presenter, (whatever the hell that is!!?). Honest story. He spent his entire day playing games on his phone. A few years later I noticed he had a native band subsidized job at a local grocery store retreiving carts from the parking lot. I assume he was fired for the same laziness he displayed at school because I haven’t seen him around for quite awhile.
I started teaching just as computers started to arrive on scene in the ’90s. I quit during the smartphone rise. (17 years later) I noticed that as electronics improved; smaller, faster, more powerful, cheaper, the student work ethic declined in direct correlation. The dumbing down was visible. Kids became lazier, more distracted, and actually dumber. I banned the phones in every class I taught and even that became a battle with both students and PARENTS!!!! (Admin was supportive, though).
My daughter teaches music for a living and my son is an industrial electrician. They have never been out of work and own their own homes. They are both in their thirties. What I am most proud of is their work ethic. They are workers, and work hard.
I just finished reading ‘Hillbilly Elegy’, by JD Vance. I wanted to understand who voted for Trump and why? As a Canadian, when I watch the Trump rallies on tv and see how patently crazy they are full of outright lies, bombast, and self-aggrandizement, I am curious who the over-weight red hat wearing cheerleaders are? After reading the book I have decided that they are people who have lost all hope in everything else, and are desperately seeking a saviour who will fix everything for them (at no effort on their part, of course). MAGA, because right now it is failing in every way.
Good luck.
Golly gee. I wish we could be as well off as Canada and have a child running our country. Trudeau seems to hate white people. I would watch it as you watch the US only Canada is not on the news except for Trudeau’s recent, successful, visit to India.
Visit the Globe and Mail website. Many of the articles are free. The newspaper is one of the most important in Canada.
Rather have Dorothy running the country than the Scarecrow-Tin man-Lion compilation presumably running the U.S.
Hah, I guess that makes Paul Ryan and McConnell the flying monkeys!
Of course, Bannon is the Wicked Witch of the West.
Hmm, prophecy can be self-fulfilling. Or life imitates art.
Bannon is the Wicked Witch of the East because the White House fell on him during the first act and we all saw his toes curl up when it did.
And Paul Ryan is the ‘Horse of a different colour’, and McConnell is a flying monkey, you’re right.
RW
How about art imitating life?
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I noticed that as electronics improved; smaller, faster, more powerful, cheaper, the student work ethic declined in direct correlation.
This should not be a surprise to anyone.
Have you seen the “new and improved” method for teaching simple multiplication to primary school kids? NO gadget is involved but God damn the “window pane” method destroys the whole concept of understanding the relationship between numbers being figured. Work ethic decline is a side benefit in the destruction of fruitful pedagogy.
Never heard of the “window pane” method but when I was after-school volunteer tutoring fourth & fifth grade math a few years back it kinda floored me that the math teacher was saying that it was unnecessary for them to learn the multiplication tables because now we have calculators.
You have never seen a more pitious situation than when you see a kid doing 2 or 3 place long division counting on their fingers.
Something these dumb educators forget is that the human brain is “programmed” or trained and must use memorization as a key tool. Use a calculator my foot!
The same logic has been used for handwriting. Why do you need cursive when you have a keyboard or worse Dragon. Another shot to individuality.
Really? Hand the cashier some extra change after they entered in your original amount. Nobody can add or subtract anymore. It will be very easy to replace all these zombies with robots.
Unfortunately, the US is a country on the way down. It is suffering from crony capitalism. Millions of Americans have been distracted in recent years by bogus issues like gay marriage and abortion. I don’t know how bad things will get when the country goes into its next deep recession and I am not anxious to find out. Americans who might be eligible for a a second citizenship based on where their parents or grandparents were born or because some of their ancestors faced religious persecution should look into getting a second passport, just in case.
When Bill Clinton left office, the US was on its way to paying off its national debt. Now 17 years later, the national debt is out of control. The Weimar Republic in Germany lasted only about 14 years.
After Tea Party rallies, the ground would be spotless. After Democratic rallies, filthy. You people talk a good game, but it’s all projection and lies. A shield for your venom.
Ditto for who gives the most to charity. Conservatives do. As one Psychology Today article title put it: Why Are We Such Terrible People? Cuz you are.
Ah. Many of those folks at Trump rallies Trump venues are also what you would consider pretty successful WHITE, business men WHITE business women WHITE FAMILIES that made our life based in a blue collar world. We know so many successful WHITE business families here in Montana and in North Dakota South Dakota Wyoming. And each one in those massive size rallies have more heart more grit more Patriotism than you could ever know. I know just what you are. I know you completely.
You are a double first cousin to my Nations scourge. My Nations humans locust. Regressive Leftist. I know you well. So do all, our Canadian Farming Friends just across the border and our cousins that are married to some. And your kind is #KillingCanadaWhiteLeftistCucks
All have a blue collar company. If I was you I would concentrate on all the village idiot things going on in Canada. We have several good friends, farming families, right across our border that is so close to us that we visit and they visit us that absolutely despise what your “little child mind Prime Minister “ is doing to Canada.
How Vancouver was allowed to be bought slap up by Asians. How he is doing all he can to police what words folks can says. How he is destroying, destroying a Nation that folks like me always knew are some of the nicest big hearted hard working folks in Canada. The WHITE CONSERVATIVE CANADIAN.
You may be able to bullshit a lot of the closed down minded Regressive Leftist on Jim’s website but you can never bullshit me or my family or our friends or others like me about anything, anything that pertains to Canada. I’ve been a member of Jim’s website for so very long. I don’t post comments like the lions share of Regressive Leftist on here do.
I can pop on and off each day on his articles when they come out and see the same Regressive Leftist year in year out. White Regressive Leftist are no different than “Tranny Gender Bender Mentally I’ll idiots and the Democrat voting blacks that live inside the “Black Reservation”
All are the most emotionally immature screaming conniption fit pitching for attention folks that North America has ever seen.
All are the bane of Canada and America’s existence. In closing know this. I came to see years ago that I knew more much much more about my “neighbors upstairs” than easily 99% of the Regressive Leftist that live, live on this site.
Not only friends we have a few miles miles across our border, but 3,112 acres of our farm land run right along side the border and just over the border is Hiram and Judy Hoffsteders large dryland farm. But we also have family. Cousins married to some of the finest folks in Canada. WHITE CANADAN FARMERS. No, you can never bullshit me. I know to much, waaaaaaay to much about Canada.
JD Vance. White Regressive Leftist Cuckold. His lips never came across a “liberal fascist cause “ (thank you Jonah Goldberg) or a black mans “Black-Reservation-Cause” that it didn’t want to suck on and suck on so hard. Yep. Your definitely a democrat voter.
This is not a Devos issue. As JHK stated, this deterioration started decades ago. This is not a Dem GOP issue, it is a Deep State vs. the American people issue. Dumbing down the American public is very necessary to turn us into good little socialists. Yes, the liberals take the blame for the direction of this dumbing down, as they have controlled the Deep State for a minimum of thirty years. “W” fed right into it with his No Child Left Behind program leading to Common Core. We have driven education to the level of the worst elements of the school population. Worst meaning less intelligent, more disruptive, with less parental interest. Society as a whole has forgotten the purpose of education, to prepare kids for their future, both socially and vocationally. Educational trends, plus AI, is going to make GenerationZ into a group with no future, a perfect place for liberal traps such as welfare and its newest cousin, Universal Basic Income. Talk about the perfect final page of capitalism, an entire generation that cannot compete with the machines so we will take care of you. Techno- feudalism may sound wonderful to the less ambitious of our society, but the entrepenurial spirit of the USA will be severely compromised. George Soros, Russia, China and India love this decline as the preeminence of the USA just fades away. They do not even have to work hard at tearing down the USA, they will just watch the Deep State turn us into the newest Communist state. What irony, my generation spent years fighting the Russian and Chinese Communists, and now our own government is turning us into exactly what we fought against.
Funny, I can make the same argument about the Far Right wanting to dumb us all down to make better little Stormtroopers for Jesus.
At least we agree that dumbing down is not good.
Bro Jobe
I do not disagree with you. I accuse the Deep State which half are the Conservative never Trumpers, not only liberals. Trump is a Populist, and is the consequent enemy of the Deep State.
And I can make the argument that it’s BOTH. Stormtroopers for fill in the blank here [ ] come in all kinds of varieties these days.
It is BOTH brother and until we can all publically denounce the left/right paradigm, we cannot move forward. The left hand and the right hand are only the claws that are firmly gripping our shoulders. It is the Big Red, White, and Blue Dick in the middle of them that is being jammed up our collective asses which doing the real damage, paraphrasing George Carlin once again….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqJvhmD5Yg
Come now. What’s your solution? This I can assure you. Conservatives do not want to live with liberals left lefties use what ever label you want
I don’t know if there IS a solution Farm Boy, but having only a choice between two sold out “parties” would certainly have to be eliminated as a start. An easily fooled and dumbed down voting populace is another serious failing of the system. If you take a look back at all of the elections that I have lived through it is apparent, at least to me, that the American public always chooses the prettier candidate of the two bums that are offered as choices. And yes, that worked for Donald Trump as well.
BTW, I am a hunter, not a farmer, and I don’t know how it is where you are from, but around here, hunters and farmers are always the best of friends and partners, as we live well together in a one hand washes the other arrangement. So please take no offense at Farm Boy, for me it is an honor not an insult. We hunters may be able to put meat on the spit, but without the farmers of the world, mass starvation would be the rule of the day. In my Township I started out giving our farmers the Right to Farm Act and Farmland Preservation and they were and always will be my biggest group of supporters and rightly so. One of the failings that I am sure our host would agree with is that there is no way that 3D printers or any other technology that comes along will ever be able to feed human beings like Farm Boys can. Thank you my friend, keep up the great work!
I attribute it to mass delusion and stupidity and do not wish to try and shift the blame onto lizard people. Nobody is dumbing down the American public. The American public is doing it to themselves.
Actually, societies with higher levels of education tend to be more socialist. The dumbing down makes societies more capitalist or fascist.
If the U.S. was more socialist there wouldn’t be the the degrading free medical clinics as a starter:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/07/21/thousands-flock-to-free-medical-clinic-in-virginia-while-washington-stalls-on-health-care.html
Perhaps a wicked tooth ache takes care of all political divides.
Wrong since the State regulates industry under Fascism. You’re confusing it with Plutocracy or control of the State by Corporations (what we have now).
Nice try. Just 180 degrees wrong or as wrong as possible.
And not a one of you offer a good solution lol lol
The whole point of machines to replace people because they’re cheaper. The Luddites were right. Ned Lud was a hero.
Early Economists talked about it: there are never enough jobs for everyone in the industrial economy. It’s only getting worse, and accelerating. The whole principle is wrong in other words, as has been since the beginning.
Outstanding Comment!!!!
There are two culprits (okay, three). First, the Professorate in the Humanities hurt all of higher ed in the late 80s and 90s in what we in the Ivory Tower now call “The Theory Wars.” I was caught up in them as a grad student, barely escaping the wrath of the Postmodern weirdos by studying with the last of the 60s graybeards who actually read primary works and admired some of the same public intellectuals JHK likes, such as Lewis Mumford and Jane Jacobs.
But they were a minority, as their colleague-loons tarred the entire edifice. STEM folks did and continue to do honorable work, and so do most Humanists. I’m more dubious of Social Scientists who are not using hard data, but I’ll leave that be.
The point is, after a certain pint the MLA had to hide the contents of its annual Convention program behind a password wall, to avoid op-ed writers from getting titles like (as reported in a 2005 piece in Reason) “A Place for Giggling Field Hands: Queer Power and Social Equality in the Mid-20th-Century Plantation Myth” or “A Pynch in Time: The Postmodernity of Prenational Philadelphia in Thomas Pynchon’s Mason and Dixon and Mark Knopfler’s ‘Sailing to Philadelphia’ ”
This madness did so much damage to the field that it never really recovered. Pity, too. There are good sessions at MLA and other big Humanities meetings, and by their titles you’d know them, if you enjoy literature or history.
The second culprit, stirred into action by the nutjobs just described, are the uneducated or theocratic dunces on the Right in various state-houses. They have slowly gutted what was the finest system of higher-ed in the world. State funding might make up 5-20% of schools’ budgets now (down from more than 60% half a century ago).
But wait! There’s a third culprit. I don’t buy into JHK’s description of PC-run-amok on campuses. I’m on a lot of them. The soft-Leftie “I’m okay, you’re okay–unless you are white, male, and heterosexual” is there, but it’s not the tyranny the Right or Jim Kunstler would have us believe.
A bigger threat come from mission-creep. Every school with means now builds fancier and fancier dorms, dining halls, gyms, and bespoke Learning Commons (the last could be justified, since coffee and brainwork are handmaidens). All these frills–and of course the big sports at schools where they don’t add any money to the general fund–are making the entire system totter. Chinese students–who pay full tuition and keep some schools going–are starting to turn away from American higher ed. An early indicator that a US education is less valuable to them is that 6 of 7 now return the China right after graduation; a generation ago, it was about 1 in 7; the other 6 stayed for postgraduate work or a paid internship or first job on a visa.
I will agree that JHK has one thing down right: too many jobs that “require” college do not. To think that a Lowes’ kitchen-design manager needs college to run the desk and show folks countertops and ranges is silly. Yet that is exactly what a laid-off buddy found when he applied there, despite 40 years of kitchen-design and sales experience.
This all won’t end well. If we are lucky, we’ll keep old skills alive until we all, if lucky, live somewhere like Union Grove. Higher ed, if it still exists, will look more like the Medieval system which was very much a privilege, not a right.
Can we really know what farming in the ruins of Rome will be like?
Preem Palver could tell you.
Check out the back to the land movement in Detroit. They are reclaiming empty lots of the homes burned down by Blacks on Hell Night for the last fifty years.
No doubt they are subjected to attacks by the natives. But being Leftists, they no doubt accept it as their just due.
Funny. I always see a lot of comments on Jim’s website here out of “Regressive Leftist “ making snide rude arrogant comments about farmers in our Nation and about Farming in general. I used to ask these folks quite often some very very simple questions.
A. Did you grow up on a farm? A farm. Not a farm-Burb.=3 or more acres a upper class family own that have horses and a decent size garden.
B. If not, do you have a close friend that owns a “FARM.” If so what kind and how many acres?
I always, always received back the same arrogant rude snide Regressive Leftist replies. A. Launch into a defensive position that is defensive to the most extreme. Never even answer one of 2 questions. With simple plain honesty.
B. No. That’s it. One word. NO. I will say this about Regressive Leftist. The ones that our man Jim talks about and describes so good. Every single one are completely predictable. Completely.
PS as I’ve said many times. Stop posting opinions about a subject that you do not know anything about whatsoever. And I suggest stop posting opinions about anything that you don’t have a clue about. Learn by asking. By reading. By research. By note taking.
Take farming. Wanna know about farming? Ask. Ask a Farmer such as yours truly. Me and my family own a Montana dryland farm that has been in my family’s name since 1893. We farm each year right at 30, thousand acres and keep anywhere from 2,500 to to 3,650 in CRP
The ones that our man Jim talks about and describes so [good]. – MontanaMan
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Which fits right in with the Techno-feudalistic society that we are advancing toward. Elites and serfs with little in between.
A question that seems unanswerable is,
What can we as a people do to stop this descent?
Didn’t Ted Kazinsky have some suggestions?
Smart ass reply from a smart ass brain
Second american revolution is increasingly the best option. Trump will not fix it, no Dem will fix it. The two parties offer nothing to address the problems of deep state, M-I-C, declining empire, pay-to-play or whatever else you wish to call it. How could they offer solutions when ITS THEM. the system is too screwed up and will either collapse on its own catastrophically or can be demolished and rebuilt from outside. The change must come from the bottom up.
Any ideas that i could suggest will be laughed off from either left, right or both as impossible due to political stalemate, lack of will and leadership. And they would be correct.
Ill give it a shot though:
A) Withdraw most and eventually all of our global troops from abroad. This would, in short order, hand Eurasia to Russian and Chinese dominance, potentially destroy South Korea and Israel, give jihadist Muslims even more bases to operate from… many negatives but we cant keep it going indefinitely. No more meddling.
B) Reinstitute the draft. This would help public support for first option. C) Rely more heavily on Army Corps of Engineers to jumpstart REBUILDING THIS COUNTRY, not Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
D) Transfer money from welfare programs and DoD to Dept. of Interior, Transportation, HUD to organize massive rebuilding of American Infrastructure with respect to future conditions. Combine these departments while youre at it.
E) Govt must increase value of our citizenship, dont undermine it.
F) Eliminate professional, lifetime politicians from federal govt. through fundraising caps, term limits and anything else that would help.
G) Decreased public sector across the board, which counterintuitively might be best done by consolidating and expanding geographic scope of jurisdictions in some areas.
Missing anything?
Check out Evergreen College. Their applications are way down after it became clear that Whites aren’t wanted.
I was indoctrinated by the grey bearded learned types too. Most of them sold out to neoliberalism en masse. They were amused by my Marxism until they realized that I was raised by a CA, and then they were circumspect about throwing inanities about without fact checking first.
I was seriously into Clinical Historiography and especially biography.
Professoriate that are theoretically driven are the most useful of educators. Good orators are far and few between these days too.
RW
The black kids who want to cause uproar in class know full well that they can get away with it now, according to my friend who just left her teaching position in a New York high school.
Thats because they don’t have fathers.
My dad would have slammed my head through a plate glass window if I even thought about, thinking about, wondering what it was like to “act out” in school.
just sayin
Well said. Blacks need corporal punishment. And most Blacks don’t have dads since mom kicks them out to get the welfare even if by some odd chance they wanted to stick around and help out.
Marriage was always weak in Black Africa. Kids were often farmed out to relatives so she can accept new lovers. But the system works since the “village” will help raise the kids. Black Americans have lost most of that. Apparently, they used to have it before Johnson’s Great Society.
Correct. If you ever really want to know the real state of black America and why? Go to CensorTube and start watching 1 of 4 Channels owned by Black Conservative Tommy Sotomayor. Yes he is colorful. Powerfully direct. Yes he peppers his delivery with cussing. But!! He is always completely correct. He has done his done his homework well. All his data is easily verifiable. And as you will learn even from the first video, “Black Women” are the reason the black community is in the shape it’s in. He reveals how black kids are raised by this mantra. HAWP=Hate All White People. Hurt as many as you can. Kill as many steal from as many. Rob as many. And the black boys have it drilled into them this. When it comes to solid middle income to upper income white family daughters.
“Befriend as many as you can boy!! and knock her lily white ass up!! Because her white parents will be straddled with your half breed seed!! Listen to me boy!! and they give you money to leave her alone and they will pay for her abortion. And we need money in Dis house every day nigga!!
He exposes all. He shows you how insane all black movements are and how and why they lie. Case in point. More black mothers each year kills 3 times as many of there kids as Cops kill black men. His data is perfect. His channels have really taken off.
So much massive amounts of black on white crime happens each day. But no media, except local media will talk about it. And the folks that keep him flooded with cases, videos, excerpts etc? Police Officers Sheriff Department Deputies different Chief of Police Forces Sheriff Department Deputies along with County Sheriffs which he will not dare blow there cover.
Each year for example, black mothers kill on average 4000 of there own black and mix race kids. I. Kid. You. Not. And the big tv news media WILL NOT DARE TOUCH IT. JUST LIKE THEY WONT DARE SHOW THE WHITE GENOCIDE HAPPENING IN SOUTH AFRICA. I stay on top of this. Daily! For personal family reasons and business reasons.
South Africa is one of 3 Countries that farming families like mine that own sizable family farms sponsor young White Guys White Girls to come here and stay and work for planting season then fly home. Then fly back for harvest. Then back home.
Also go google Colin Flaherty. All his data is 100% Correct. He has written books and has his own CensorTube channels and him and Tommy are close friends.
and [him] and Tommy are close friends. – MontanaMan
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Yes. Smart ass. Typical Regressive Leftist. Smart ass pain in the ass. All of you are about as pleasant as a ingrown toe nail.
You are 100% Correct
Read Diane Ravitch’s “Reign of Error: The Hoax of the Privatization Movement and the Danger to American Public Schools.” Foundations, individual billionaires, and Wall Street are eyeing public education as a potential market for investors, just as they are attempting to privatize everything else, including the water we drink.
I have no sympathy for Betsy Devos. She has spent 2 decades pushing for “school choice” in the state of Michigan. According to a federal analysis in 2016 Michigan ranks near the bottom now in fourth and eighth-grade math and reading, and notably, the state’s charter schools scored worse than the public ones.
Those of us who have spent decades behind the desk have watched this horror happen in slow motion.There can be no democracy without an educated populace. We all have to read a lot, read about reading, and question what we read. The state of our country proves that we haven’t.
There can be no democracy without an educated populace.
But there is no educated populace now. It follows that neither is there any democracy.
If I had to do it over again, I would home school my kids.
But as it was, I always supplemented by kids education by taking them to many museums and state and national parks. In high school, there were so many kids that just wasted the time of the teacher/other students by misbehaving. I’d outsource subjects that I, or my husband (an electrical engineer) couldn’t manage teaching.
As it was, I outsourced the foreign language requirement by enrolling my kids in BYU’s high school program. The only foreign language option at their high school was Spanish, and the faculty was so bad that kids were smoking pot and climbing out the back window. (The tenured teacher that taught Spanish 1, was a joke, it took 10 years to fire her.) BYU has an excellent, affordable, accredited online programs for Spanish, and many other subjects–just an FYI for anyone else out there with high school-age kids looking for alternatives.
Jen in San Jose Unified School District
Brigham Young? What a stalwart character. Must be rolling over in his grave now that the Church has accepted non-Whites.
Such a big country, so many nice places to live….,
why do continue to tolerate the Bay Area?
I just can’t envision the current state of the educational system surviving under the weight of all these societal pressures that are bearing down on it. I think it would have to morph into something like some kind of new version of a boarding school, where kids are being raised and educated by the State. Teachers are being asked to do the impossible. Who the hell wants to be paid 35K a year to be a cop, social worker, parent, and instructor, all rolled into one? Not me!
btw, I think teachers being compensated 35K yearly is very generous. Many areas, they are starting more like 25K.
Average teacher salary in all blue states with all benefits? Due to collective bargaining? $92 thousand dollars. Look it up. Start with this hard hitting article on the WSJ.
“Oh To Be A Teacher In Wisconsin “
yeah
well, teachers ought to be compensated well. I think the pressure to pay them more will probably increase as they are forced to take on more roles for the kids in the public system. Essentially I think they are in many cases taking the role of substitute parents for a lot of kids.
What exact figure is acceptable for compensation? I don’t know. Obviously you want quality people as teachers, so, the pay needs to reflect that. Of course, it will vary from region to region in the country depending on costs of living.
Another thing I forgot to say is to allow competition and the market decide some of this stuff.
For example, I live in Duluth, Minnesota here, and because the public school board has bungled and fudged up its way through mismanaging the schools here its enrollment is declining, and the charter schools & private/religious schools etc. are gaining kids.
This is good. It has had the effect of making the public system cognizant that it might be in big hurt here if it doesn’t clean up. I don’t see that reflected by the policy enacted by the local public board, so, they are gonna pay for it.
I agree with the market approach to school, I have no problem with charter schools as long as theyre vetted and legit. Same for private/catholic. The problem is you pay for these people to screw up the public schools no matter if youre kids attend or not or even if you have kids. They (superintendents, school board members) will be slow to get their act together if they still collect their paychecks and benefits and foot the bill for them in the meantime.
How about a user fee of some kind for local public schools? Instead of across the board taxation for all. If youre kids dont go or you have no kids, no school tax, or bare minimum – maybe base it on number of students enrolled? Why should we subsidize failure? If the public schools cant adapt they should be replaced.
The teachers make far MORE than the average tax paying serf where I live, Pete. Most, i think, are pretty good. That they use taxing authority to transfer assets from poorer folks to themselves is not one of their nobler aspects.
yeah I’d tend to agree.
Some of the worst secular education in the country is being dispensed at Jewish religious schools which cater to children from ultra Orthodox families in Brooklyn, NY. The Oholei Torah yeshiva is only a subway ride away from the CBS offices in Manhattan but a world away in culture. Read Chaim Levin’s story here: huffingtonpost.com/chaim-levin/the-education-that-i-never-had-growing-up-ultra-orthodox_b_1412953.html Other ultra Orthodox comunities in Kiryas Joel, NY, New Square, NY and Lakewood, NJ have similar schools.
If you live in Kansas or Nebraska and think that this is not your problem, think again. Many of the “graduates” of such schools end up becoming heavy users of safety net programs funded in whole or in part by the federal government (food stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing vouchers, cash grants etc.). This is what happens when “freedom of religion” is allowed to go over the top and our court system goes along with this foolishness, at least for the time being.
When I first read Chaim’s story, I called the New York State Department of Education in Albany to find out how such substandard education was possible, I was told that the State had litigated the issue in court and the end result was that it had no control over the curriculum of religious schools.
This issue was settled at the federal level as concerns the rights of religious groups to limit education to 8 years (Wisconsin v. Yoder, 1972). Where the examples of the ultra-orthodox communities referenced here could substantially differ from the Wisconsin case was in the reasoning given by the court that the Amish communities petitioning in Yoder could show (and the state could not refute) that reducing the term of public instruction by two years from the state mandated minimum of ten years did not result in increased dependency upon the state due to unemployment. The Court reasoned the members of the Amish community were highly employable in their chosen occupations, did not on principle or in fact use public welfare programs for support and continued their educations beyond their 8 years in vocational training.
In the movie “Witness”, a young Amish boy and his Hasidic counterpart pass each other in a train station and each wonders whether the other is part of his tribe. The boys’ clothes are very similar, but that’s where the similarity ends.
Further suggested reading: failed messiah blog. The blog is now closed but past articles and related comments through early Feb. 2016 are available online via a Google search.
It looks more and more like the Amish were right this whole time… maybe its time for a change…?
I was trashed in public school by the so-called ‘teachers’. I was trashed in college by the so-called ‘teaching instructors’, and the criminal element students. Eventually, I enrolled in university only to end up trashed by so-called ‘professors’ with doctoral degrees. After that I was trashed by the administration when I complained, and then I was trashed & harassed by the government contractor collection agencies.
Tertiary education wrecked my life, and future. Last year I was offered a teaching position with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service after I pointed out a 6 Sigma financial crash event in our housing market. They wanted me to teach Financial Intelligence to the CSIS Intelligence Officers full time, but I had to remind them that they refused to hire me when I graduated university back in the 1990s.
Today, I am still being harassed by the provincial collection agencies and I declared bankruptcy at the turn of the century.
I am selling off all my belongings to survive, and I have been unemployed since I graduated university. I have only managed to get precariate work as a contractor fixing other people’s homes since I left high school.
Bottom line is that schools & teachers/professors teach rule abiding behaviour, and if one is at all non-conformist in perspective there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that schools & teachers are there to help one build a future, career, or life.
Assuming that the educational system will change, or could be changed, is naïve. Assuming that educational systems even hire non-conformists is naïve when in fact only fascists teach at all levels.
And most of the university professors I had were absolute fascists in terms of their overarching views of society that they promulgated at a cost to democracy, and populations.
Lastly, I have been searching for full time work since I graduated university in 1997. In that time I have only received one offer of employment that I would not accept. Twenty years of looking for full time work is entirely enough for moi.
I officially give up, and I’m not even a product of the USA education system.
RW
Why don’t you teach yourself guitar and become a blues man?
Slick back your hair, put on some dark glasses, and change your name to “Blind Lemon Pledge”
I am a guitarist, drummer, & harmonica player, man. I grew up listening to BIG band & Swing era tunes, Brother thwack. My mentor was Gene Krupa, and I’m selling off my last Slingerland Radio King right now in order to survive the casino costs. And I sold my Stratocaster a few years ago.
I still have the one drum, and a couple of harmonicas, and some 3-S Bangor Bashers, plus five heavy guitar picks, but the millennials ain’t likely to dig that much enough to even throw spare change at me in contempt for the noise, man.
I got the disenfranchised white man blues, man. And the Payola is too high to make the gig profitable so I’ll just chill out with Cloward & Piven and Professor Emeritus Karl Marx in hopes that the masses will soon rise up in the great Communist Revolution that was hypothesized in the historiography.
RW
but the millennials ain’t likely to dig that much enough to even throw spare change at me in contempt for the noise, man.
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Come on man, you’re not doing justice to the prophetic tradition; which has been around far longer than you realize (like the little disease ridden girl the Aztecs came across in Apocalyptco)
Its a natural reaction for people to assign some moral failing or social deficit as an explicator of your fallen state, because by declaring you “other” or “different” they can dodge the existential crisis the results from the truth that
“if it happened to him, then maybe it can/will happen to me?”
This type of thinking drives a lot of behavior; just look at the examples right here in the comments section of this very blog?
There are municipal laws against busking, and the municipality requires that all buskers pay a rental fee to the Corporation of the City of Ottawa so that it, as a $3 billion dollar per year industry can squeeze the life out of buskers and rid the streets of entrepreneurial spirit because after all the Corporation of the City of Ottawa is a tyrant corporatist with the Brown Shirts to back it up.
I think I should become an activist so I can take on The Man face-to-face. Now where are the paid activist jobs? And what is the job title so I can input that into the search engine?
RW
I have only managed to get [precariate] work as a contractor fixing other people’s homes since I left high school. – R. White
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A Google search shows me that the word I bracketed above does not have an e at the end but otherwise I thank you for bringing to my attention what is for me a new and useful word.
It appears that for all your ‘learnin’ you have suffered through a difficult adulthood. I suspect that your self described non-conformism has A LOT to do with it. BTW, you didn’t say WHY you didn’t accept the one offer you received.
I’ve had my eye on your comments for awhile and have concluded that you live in or near Ottawa. This was of interest to me since I will be passing nearby on my way to Westmeath O, CA sometime this summer (on a motorcycle) and was trying to work up the nerve to ask you if I might sleep on your couch for a night. But now, hearing about the hard times you have fallen on, maybe I should just rent a motel room and take YOU out for a meal. I’m serious about this. And the same offer/request goes out to any other Canucks (e.g. Elrond, Paulo, etc.) who might be in range of the space between Ottawa and Westmeath.
I did not accept the offer to teach Financial Intelligence to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service because I applied to them for Intelligence work when I graduated university with my B.A. Honours in Experimental Psychology and they would not hire me.
Their rejection letter was enough to fuel my contempt for ‘White Hat’ so-called ‘Intelligence’. I decided that I would become vastly superior at Intelligence than the whole God damned Five Eyes Intelligence community combined.
After becoming a ‘Black Hat’ I discovered how to fully control the entire Five Eyes Intelligence network. And they are likely still attempting to figure out what the fuck I am talking about.
Re: Couch surfing across CANADA…
1)..Don’t actually have a couch.
2)..No room for a guest due to housing intensification & a room mate that is a real Functionally Retarded individual.
3)..I will likely face eviction soon, and I don’t know which bridge I will be living under. And I don’t have a van so I can’t live down by the river either.
Life is extremely impoverished here due to extreme poverty that has lasted for decades. Doug Ford says help is on the way for the people of Ontario. I still have food so don’t fret, but I’m not exactly feeling highly social of late due to a long winter which usually pummels the heck out of us CANUCKS by the time spring rolls around.
When you hit Ottawa stay away from the downtown core because of the riffraff. We have had 21 gun related incidents so far this year with the drug gangs. And Ottawa really is ‘the town that fun forgot’ believe me.
RW
The wages of social sin is death. Diversity is the sin – and gang wars and drugs is the wages. Per capita, Canada may be the highest importer of 3rd Worlders in the world.
The enculturative process is inculcated in all that live in CANADA via the bureaucracy & education systems. If socialization does not take with the immigrants they are deported via the stealth process of jurisprudence that the Security Minister has worked out with law enforcement with flight training.
And if the wages of ‘social sin’ resulted in death Orange Jesus Cheeto-head-in-cheese would certainly be deceased & cremated or buried 6′ under excrement by now.
Multiculturalism in CANADA is a melting pot philosophy, and has been for decades of success.
RW
Your comment not only pissed me and my wife off to no end it saddened us terribly. Terribly. Because we know it to be so completely true. Over the last 30 years we have come to know 7 different big city school teachers. 4 from the LA area and 2 from NYC and 1 from St Louis. All moved out here to Montana “JUST TO WAKE UP SND SURVIVE ANOTHER DAY.”
Here our schools are so much smaller. Example. Our school for the entire county still graduates on average 20 to 25 students. Biiig county similes. But small population. Nearly all the land is owned by family farmers. Like us.
Story after story after story, they can tell. Go from one story to the next. About how they themselves, was trashed. And physically assaulted. Soooooo many stories about just how PHYSICALLY DANGEROUS BLACK BOYS BLACK GIRLS ARE.
Case in point.
“You learn to never let any black kid get behind sitting at your desk. Because it’s highly likely you may not wake up tomorrow. Because it!! Will shove a pen as fast as deep as it can inside your ear.”
Tommy Sotomayor and Colin Flaherty both with ultra large CensorTube followers channels are completely about how dangerous how vile how disgusting the garden variety black student and. Lack single mother is. I say single because as all told us, good luck finding a black kid with married functioning black parents. Good Luck.
Each ones health deteriorated bad. Each ones emotional and mental health went down hill. Each one became “a ghost in there house “ as they called it. And good lord can they explain what they mean by that. I don’t see how anyone can sit and listen to them without crying.
Last year one retired from teaching and worked here at our little school in Jordan Montana. And she gave her going away speech. So have all the other 6 ones here in the last 5 years. She started her talk off with her early days out in LA schools. And told the Gym full of us parents and students how the schools became worse. And worse. And worse.
How much more dangerous. All because of illegal aliens. Then she told us her breaking point. Getting raped by 2 illegal aliens. And how as they did it they bragged and bragged about “go ahead tell on us!! Watch how your people treat you then us. Watch how they treat us poor pitiful Mexican boys “.
And they did just that. They twisted turned it in such an evil way to make her out to be a whore. Lured them on. And raised them up. Funny she said. If I lured them on did I lure on a broken left arm busted spleen?
Then she told all of us how she found a new life. Went to a teachers convention. Noticed a small group of white teachers dressed western style dress wear. And none of the rabid dangerous fascists teachers talking to them.
She did. She met Montana teachers. Rest is history. Finished up with how her life wound up. Met a Montana Farmer. Close friend of mind. Got married. Had kids. How such a small Montana Farming Community saved her life. Saved her sanity. When she finished she screamed!!! To all the California Dangerous Fascist Teachers and Fascist Parents!!!!
GOD DAMN YOU!!! GOD DAMN ALL OF YOU!!!! ALL I WANTED ALL MY LIFE WAS TO TEACH AND HELP KIDS!!!!! AND ALL YOU EVER WANTED WAS TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!
GOD DAMN ALL YOUR FASCIST MEETINGS HELD ABOUT HOW WE WAS GOING TO DO THIS AND THAT THIS YEAR TO RIP APART!!!! THE YOUNG MINDS!!!! GOD DAMN ALL OF YOU!!!
There was not a dry eye in the Gym. Grown men, Hard farming older men with hard calloused hands and a lot of hard bark on them such as me. Cried like a baby.
Each ones health deteriorated [bad] – MontanaMan
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Nothing like city boy office working Regressive Leftist. You folks are about as pleasant as a root canal. Lol. As touchy and uptight as a little kid. Lol
As the owner of 30,000 + acres you are living proof that grammar, spelling and punctuation don’t mean shit, as in diddly squat.
If, if I wanted to take the time to correct such. I don’t care to do so. I don’t live or work in a culture that nit picks such. We work for a living. Office boys which I’m sure you are, nit pick. And I bet your a Triple AAA Regressive Leftist soft hands wimp.
Merely a few decades ago, public education–and higher education–worked as well for many, if not most, average Americans as one could expect in this imperfect world. I went to public school, in a working class city, from kindergarten through high school and got a solid foundational education–learned to read, write, orate, and compute as well as the prep school kids I met in the small liberal arts college I went on to attend. There, I got a more advanced and equally solid education in the fields of my choice, which then put me in the position of deciding upon a profession or career, which in my case involved additional, more specific education. ALL of this was affordable for a working class family and a student willing to help finance his or her education through part-time and summer employment, which was readily available. So my question is simply this: if a viable educational system (among other institutions of American society) fell apart in the space of 50 or 60 years, why could it (and the rest of these institutions) not be rebuilt within a similar time period? I can’t help but feel that we have been overtaken by a pervasive sense of futility and cynicism that is not justified by the facts of recent history, by my own life-experience. Yes, things in general are in the dismal state that JHK so pungently describes in post after post. But why have we allowed this rather sudden devolution of American society to morph into a despair-filled TINA malaise? I sense that a flagging of the human spirit is at work, a subtle and sinister problem much more dangerous than the panoply of social problems we must confront and surmount.
The model of life you present assumes there is a common culture in the USA to move through life with. I contend a large part of the education problem is the introduction of immigration peoples at such a rate that the common culture has been diluted and is starting to disappear. Again, the Deep State doing its thing. A sidebar to this is that the largest portion of immigrants children not only do not speak English, but their inability to do so inhibits their social acceptance in schoo and there ability to learn. They become isolated and leave the common culture causing more problems as they go.
There were streams of immigrants into America long before I went to school or was even born. My wife spoke no English in her home before she attended school and now speaks impeccable English. Same with my mother, who got her RN and worked as a nurse for some fifty years before her unfortunate demise. While I agree that immigration must be followed by gradual acculturation, this is a situation that America has faced again and again and overcome. Our recent failure to deal successfully with immigration, like our recent failure to deal successfully with guns and other things that we used to handle almost as a matter of course, are manifestations of a much deeper problem in our country. I think that JHK does an excellent job of talking about the edges of this problem but is not yet able to go directly to its heart. That’s no criticism of him, because no one else, including me, seems able to do so either.
Your comment is completely correct. And echoed by so many teachers. On the websites you find so many on.
I suspect what you ask about is possible, but it would require a lot of belt-tightening all around. Universities would have to stop the trend toward making universities into luxury clubs. Everything from student housing to campus athletic facilities and entertainment venues have been buffed up on many campuses, costing hundreds of millions of dollars and which have to be paid for. Shoveling ever higher costs onto the students in the way of school debt has been the way of the past three decades, but the students can’t take any more.
I finished at a very good private university in the USA where my final year costs totaled about half what I was able to earn at a crappy first job in a down economy. Today, that final year costs 1.5x what a typical starting job might pay with a science (not engineering) major. Of course, that place is much posher than it was when I was a student when it was a more shabby-genteel place. Maybe shabby genteel and a little austerity isn’t a bad thing if financial freedom with a decent education is the end result.
Not so much belt-tightening as necessary and appropriate federal investment in the average citizen, instead of Wall Street and criminal wars. Trust me, there’s PLENTY of money to re-invent America if only we had the political will. Indeed, money, on the federal level, is the least of our worries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1SMjeuyF-Y
You have raised a subject Jim that we could easily spend years kicking about, yet one that neither we nor the lack of leadership that runs it all can ever repair. Public education works well for societies that raise their children to respect and to value what they will be achieving by their participation in the process. Societies that do not raise their own spawn or who raise them to game the system or that utilize the system as the Day Care as you mention, create problems that manifest themselves as we are seeing today right here, right now. Throw in violent behavior training from Hollywood and the entertainment industries and the Shit Soup goes full boil.
I have been blessed to have been able to have a pair of children now and a pair twenty years ago that passed and are passing through the same school system. The degradation in the system and the degradation in the family lives is easy to see given such a perspective., though some things remain the same. Twenty years ago, my twin daughters used to come home crying from high school every month or so because once again, they were both drug tested . The problem, they cried, was that they and all of the others that were tested were the students that were known to be clean. The dopers, who everyone knew, who sold drugs openly in the hallways and sometimes even involved some of the teachers, were always exempt from testing. I explained to them that this was the way the administrators worked the system because if they actually found drug users, the reports would look bad and they could not justify their accolades and big salaries and bonuses. Today, in speaking with our high school life guards at work, the system remains the same, despite the presence of police officers and drug dogs roaming the hall of our regional high school. And there is no denying the extent of our drug problem for the county prosecutor’s office publishes terrifying statistics on heroin misuse along with an average of three overdoses a day at the local ER and eleven deaths last Summer alone from overdoses.
Once again Jim, another Cash Cow System has evolved that has been allowed to grow to such an extent that the money and power at the top is easily able to keep things going for the profit of the select few at the expense of those that are supposedly served by it. There are no greater powers above this failed institution that are not also corrupted and hell bent on keeping the cash flowing upwards. Nothing will change. Further degradation is the only possible future unless collapse somehow and mercifully puts it all out of its misery.
Oh, Walter, yes. The test is supposed to help show where problems lie but it is used to dole out punishment. We have two fundamental ways of dealing with failure: the scientific one and the political one. The scientific one uses failure as input to improve a system. The NTSB system for air crashes holds here. As a result, we get safer and safer air travel.
The political one is a moralistic system of right and wrong. Information here isn’t used as input but as a weapon. I find political systems that declare right and wrong useful in some areas, like law. For progress against unfavorable outcomes, no. We run medical malpractice, school performance, and any number of other systems on this model and it fails.
Of course, US schools are actually tops in the world at educating young people, if you assume ethnic groups are different. See:
http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-scores-show-demography-is-destiny-in-education-too-but-washington-doesnt-want-you-to-k
The problem, they cried, was that they and all of the others that were tested were the students that were known to be clean. – Walter B
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What a crazy system, to allow the school administration to select who is to be drug tested and who is not and then submit the pristine results to some higher authority and come out smelling like a rose.
As a former financial analyst/auditor working in the Government Compliance section of a large defense contractor I can report that it is quite easy to avoid this type of fraud by using a statistical sampling system that will limit the number of students who need to be tested and yet get results with a 95% or higher confidence level the same as if you had tested every student. I could go into more detail but that shouldn’t be necessary to grasp the concept. Once the higher authority comes up with the names of those to be tested the tests must be done on a surprise basis and not all on the same day. Testing should be observed by persons not associated with the school administration…i.e. no skin in the game.
Yes QS real drug testing can be done effectively in the private sector. I served as the Maintenance Manager for a steel forging/fabricating corporation that tested randomly with the intent of removing unsafe (doping) workers from the payroll. Even though there were slick ways for those who imbibed to get around the testing, there were even slicker ways for us in management to catch them and we did. The problem with the public school system is that it is actually the government and as such is just as corrupt as the rest of the system. It cannot and will not be changed.
Ms. DeVos needs to visit Finland
why?
Well, Finland has what is considered the best educational system in the world. Of course, it helps that there is a small, culturally homogeneous population, a common language and broad public consensus on how Finnish society should work and what place education has in that society. Even if Mrs. DeVos were intellectually curious and capable of learning and observation, I am not sure how even the most carefully drawn observations offered by the Finnish model would apply to a country like the U.S.
Of course we know she has no such interest or ability, but it makes for an interesting thought exercise.
Socialism can work in homogenous White or Northeast Asian societies. Finland is in process of destroying itself with Muslims so they don’t matter any more. Western Europe has gone insane.
Correct you are. CensorTube is loaded with videos showing what all is going on in “Western Europe.” And videos of Finland. Yet “Eastern European” countries are standing up firmly against the locust invasion of Muslims. So is Austria and you should see just how hard, Hard Switzerland is making it for the Muslims.
RW
It is no compensation but you are going to have lots of company in the future. We are going to have lots of college educated burger flippers that try to finance their lives with minimum wage jobs. When they ask for a living wage, al they will get is Robots.
No reason that burger flipping can’t be automated as well. I’m surprised it hasn’t been already.
It has been here. They closed the McD’s last year and automated. There is now one cashier not 6, the orders are assembled mostly mechanically and kiosk’s take you order. All for $10 for a crap meal. I went in once right afterwards to see and it will be my last. Scary stuff.
What a better way to enslave a population of rule followers than to burden them all with massive debts from “education” as you shovel them into the world of low pay work till you die?
Yep. We need a debt reset. What can no longer be paid should not longer be given attention.its coming; Somme is better than later, after the debt has destroyed the rest of the social connections that make life worth living.
I have even applied for ‘Robotics Technician’ jobs in CANADA, but I’m a certified Mechanical Engineering Technician so I guess that’s why I was not hired. Robotics are not cheap, and burger flipping robots are $100,000.00 each. Not many franchise operators can afford the overhead costs on automation. It’s way cheaper to hire teens at minimum wage than to buy robots at $100k a pop. Moreover, robots require maintenance, and technicians to do the maintaining.
Believe me when I state that the burger industry is NOT going to be replacing minimum wage humans with $100k robots anytime soon. Yes, some rich franchise owner will attempt to prototype an automated burger flipper but the cost of prototyping will never be recovered on the burger flipping production line because the robotics are too damn slow to compete with a teenager with zits.
“Go West young man” should have changed to “Deal street drugs young man” if the truth be told.
Your love will not pay my bills, I want money, that’s what I want!
RW
RW You hit it on the nose with your statement on drugs. One problem is that there is no more “West” for kids today, no new frontiers to go to with your dreams.
The problem is that when one graduates university or college one is saddled with student loans payments that cannot be paid off due to the government controlled Interest Rate set on all Government Student Loans programmes. One cannot pay off the principal or even meet the interest payments with part time work, or no work at all.
Former graduates of better times have been able to get full time jobs, get married, and buy a first home. Today, one cannot even get a part time job that will pay the interest rate that these loans are processed at.
Incentive used to be buying a home with a mortgage, but now incentive is getting out of debt so that one can be free of the financial parasitism of banks.
RW
But there is mars!
Thank you Elon. Now for your next trick!
All Russian late nomenklatura bowed down to US educational system and tried to transfer everything to Russia, whatever it was.
But the problem is that the American education system in modern Russia can not take root.
First of all, because the American education system is not self-sufficient and in no way provided the remarkable scientific and technological progress that happened in the USA in the 20th century.
Moreover, this system of education is undoubtedly responsible for that terrible cultural and economic crisis that the US is currently experiencing and which they are exporting to all other countries of Pax Americana.
From some point of view, the education system in the US simply does not exist, and students are trained by the same methods as the dogs in the circus. This is called “training”.
I must say that in this way trained professionals perfectly cope with any problems that can be solved within the scope of their training. But they simply can’t find problems in the existing system of knowledge, critically rethink it. These shortcomings were covered by a continuous inflow of brains from European countries, shaken by wars and revolutions, brains created by another tradition and another education system – if somebody is the best, we bring him to America.
European geniuses in the United States received excellent opportunities to display their talents, virtually unlimited financial and material resources for the implementation of their ideas, venture capital, an American inventive genius and remarkably trained specialists, greedy for new technologies, ready to immediately pick up these ideas and bring them to serial production.
This system worked for a long time, but recently it began to fail.
After the victory in the Cold War, the Americans imagined that they no longer needed anyone. Firstly, they stopped trusting European specialists, using them as a rule in subsidiary work. Secondly, in an effort to consolidate their cultural influence, the US began exporting its educational methods to conquered European countries that somehow got into Pax Americana, thus undermining sources of brain imports.
In particular, this influence was manifested already in the late USSR, when, under the influence of the United States, which managed to brainwash the late-Soviet nomenklatura, the requirements for candidate and doctoral dissertations began to change.
If in the Stalin era and up to the 1970s the Ph.D. thesis assumed a certain significant factor of novelty, and the doctoral creation of a new scientific direction, then in the late 1970s and 1980s these requirements were gradually transformed for a candidate’s degree into a purely qualifying ability to demonstrate the presence a certain level of knowledge, and for the doctoral ability to compile and write monographs.
Despite the fact that these negative processes undoubtedly contributed to slowing down the pace of scientific and technological progress and the crisis of the scientific method in the scale of all mankind, they also contributed to the strengthening of the relative power of the US by weakening geopolitical competitors, which created the effect of positive feedback and deepening of the crisis.
The Russian education system and its scientific school was inherited by Russia from the Germans, whose gloomy genius managed to create a gymnasium education system, and a science that nearly brought the rest of the world to its knees, including the United Kingdom and the United States.
And at the beginning of the 20th century, Russia began to break away from its teachers and acquire independence, which threatened Germany with a loss of leadership. What actually caused the first and second world wars.
The Great October Socialist Revolution paradoxically conserved the German scientific school in the USSR, protecting it from the steam roller of Anglo-Saxon liberalism, which crushed it into dust in Germany itself. I must say that in Soviet universities and Gulag engineering and scientific labs, the achievements of the German genius were synthesized with the American inventive genius, who rendered very serious help to the USSR in the first half of the 20th century.
As a result, a unique scientific school was formed, and the main enzyme of this synthesis was Orthodox anthropology, which proclaimed the education of a Soviet man as the goal of the education system, the ideal of which borrowed many features from Orthodoxy.
One of these features was undoubtedly the historicism of consciousness. When I was in NYU graduate school, I was struck by the difference in the teaching of such apolitical science as physics.
In the USSR physics was taught historically:
first we were told how the classical universe is organized, including the laws of Newton, Coulomb and Maxwell, then explained that all the laws of classical mechanics are insufficient to understand this universe and that the second law of thermodynamics reigns over everything.
Then we were shown the contradictions of classical physics with electrodynamics and suggested forgetting all the fundamental principles and learning the basics of the special theory of relativity and quantum mechanics.
And each time a complete picture of the universe was created in which each time a small hole was found, looking into which one could see another even more beautiful universe. As a result, thinking was developed that sought out these holes in any theory, in any picture of the world and allowed to create new pictures of the world.
In the United States, physics is taught in a completely different way: the current scientific worldview is declared perfect, and the whole previous history of science as a succession of iterations and intellectual somersaults that approximates this perfection. Which in the future will only be specified in details, but no holes are foreseen.
Point taken, Fincain, but how do you explain Thomas Kuhn’s “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,” which dismisses scientific conclusions a inevitable and suggests that some change the complete paradigm?
I have no problem with that as long as the previous “scientific paradigm” turns out to be a border case of a new one, for example the Newton’s Classical Mechanics could be viewed as a “border case” of Special Relativity Theory if we assume that the light travels with instantaneous speed.
Notwithstanding the DeVos figure head, I think some of my fellow grumpy old men need to lighten up. If you live in a decent state, your kids can still attend a decent public school. I live in Minnesota. My kids attend a much better school than I did 30 years ago, where I grew up in a deep red state. Some things have improved. Altruistic teachers and earnest students still exist out there.
Blanket condemnation is no better than blind patriotism.
Zebulun–Here!Here! We need your brand of optimism here. I too believe there is some way out to this mess. I have known and know too many intelligent, optimistic, determined students who will be successful anywhere, regardless.
The first step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging. We need to close our borders and limit legal immigration as well. Diversity kills all social capital. It would take generations to assimilate all the people who are here now to even an marginal level.
As George Carlin aptly observed, being born in the modern age is like getting a ticket to a big freak show. And if you are born in the U.S. you get a front row seat. The education system is a racket. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to autodidact. Self-teaching, home schooling, etc. seems to fit the bill here. Especially for kids who have smart parents who are well adjusted and have the economic means. Advantage to the upper middle class and wealthy folks, yes. But anyone who applies himself or herself can find a way to navigate the swamp.
Funny, not one word about JHKs buddy, Rootin’ Tootin’ Putin, outing Jews as the source of interference in USAs election process. Not one word. Funny. I guess JHKs pissed off that the people he’s been defending are now zeroing in on his people as causing problems. Enjoy the irony.
Here is another take on Putin’s comments: forward.com/opinion/396337/no-putin-is-not-an-anti-semite/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
The Forward and its printed predecessor have reading about the Jewish community for over a century.
Is it still anti-Semitic if it’s true?
If the Forward article is true, then I don’t consider it to be anti-Semitic. No country or group should be exempt from criticism if they screw up.
Reading should be writing.
per K-Dog – ….care ” They do not. They embrace the dark.”
“The American public is doing it to themselves.”
I will be sixty seven in June. The young laddies and lassies are not the only ones in the fold you describe.
Succint as always dog.
robert magill – ” viable grandparents will no longer exist”. Viable grandparents, a romantic notion. Should one make such an attempt the constant engagement with Facebook will be interrupted just long enough to dismiss your effort as ancient and irrelevant.
It is not easy being as ignorant as our fellows, it takes near constant gazing into an led or lcd screen. The screen of course is filled with algorithm supplied “likes”.
JohnAZ – “What irony, my generation spent years fighting the Russian and Chinese Communists” – The Kool-Aid stain is hard to remove.
“There’s a big divergence underway between the promises of schooling and the kind of future that the 21st century is actually presenting — of no plausible careers or vocations besides providing “therapy” and policing for the discontented masses stewing in anomie and compensatory pleasure-seeking, with all its nasty side effects…” — JHK
Shows what you know, Mister Jim! Why, there’s plenty of employment being created for consensus creation by creative folk; all of Creation has something important to creatively advocate something-or-other on the Sacred Intertubes. It’s a growth industry, I tell you!
…All up and down the whole Creation,
Sadly I roam;
Still looking for some small employment,
While I stay with the Old Folks at home…
“… In the meantime, we’re stuck with wildly expensive, out-of-scale, giant centralized schools where the worst tendencies of human status competition are amplified by smart phones and social media to all but eclipse classroom learning.” — JHK
It may be part of your “greatest mis-allocation of resources in history” (I *think* that’s fairly close), b-b-but we’re The Information Economy now, so things will work out; money wast… I mean *spent* on higher ed will all have been worth it; they’ll think of something to keep social media up and running; and America will be Made Great Again and Kept Great! …right?…hello?…maybe?
I know, I’ll imagine making a forever battery out of logs! There! That should do it. (Gilligan’s Island, here we come. Lessee, Mary Anne or Ginger this evening?)
I preferred Mary Anne, you know, the wholesome farm girl type.
So what’s the count? Imagine, how many trillions thrown at the internet, uncountable numbers more in the realm of cosmology than in earth bound activity. And in aid of what? We get to chat on a site like this. Oh yeah, and snapchat.
And uber (glorified taxi-driving) and airbnb (room-letting), internet based despair for people who can’t make ends meet. I guess the Greek situation didn’t teach anybody about the viability of economies centred on taxi driving and tax evasion (the latter in reference to the monumental tax cut to the richest).
I prefer Mrs Howell because she’s been white the longest.
Just sayin
Meester Jim! Ozone is Tatoo (sp?), the Dwarf in the Love Boat.
There’s no conceivable reason why in the space of ten years, starting from the age of five, that kids can’t be made literate, numerate and come away with a basic body of knowledge in geography, history, science and some competence in a second language.
It’s not impossible. I know because I went through it. Way back in the day, we actually had teachers that taught, parents that gave a damn, educrats that did a reasonably good job at logistics (you know, making sure that text-books and work-books arrived on time). And, last but not least, a student body that was reasonably well reared and behaved. And, no getting away from it, damn near all middle-class or working-class Caucasian.
Having brought up the racial end of it, if we had had substantial numbers of non-whites in the student body, if the non-whites had been from places like India and Korea, they would have out-paced us white kids by a wide margin if today’s performance is any indicator, and as such would have been a valuable addition to the student body. But that’s counterfactual as these folk weren’t around, at least not many of them.
What ails the system? Parents that don’t give a damn, pedagogical theory at odds with the aim of imparting knowledge and skill, teachers that have no problem with fulfilling no useful function, edu-crats who don’t even pretend to serve the people they’re mandated to serve.
And then add disruptive elements that not only don’t see the value of knowledge and skill but seemingly take an adversarial stance at the whole idea as if it gives them brain cancer.
But especially it’s a critical mass of parents that don’t give a damn. Even if they suddenly had an attitudinal change, they’d be obstructed tooth-and-nail by teachers unions, academic theorists, governmental bureaucracy, advocacy groups that would insist that insisting on excellence is racist and beyond the pale for an enlightened society.
I got a decent education. I personally have no complaints. But that was then and this is now. There’s no going back, there’s only going down. The reason it’s going down is because that’s how people want it.
Valuable to be out paced by Asians? Why? Or perhaps more apropos, Valuable to whom? Not to us, certainly.
You’re playing omniscient narrator again. Join up. Incarnate! Blood and Soil. Your ancestors spilled plenty – including their own – in order to give you what you have.
Q, watch out for the sand in the corners. I know the danger and it is not for nought! Thoroughly!
Here are four words that a lot of people can’t seem to get straight to save their lives:
thorough
through
though
thought
And the answers to your two questions are:
1. Yes
2. I don’t know.
“As one accelerates through the apex he should be sure to lessen pressure on the twist throttle so as to minimize the chance of reducing traction on the drive wheel of his motorbike.” My words quoted from the “Art of Motorcycling” by Stelmosfire.
Marlin,Ozone,BTB, JHK, maybe even Q. Another big blow commin’ on shore. Yippee, March like a LION!
John Crudele from the NY Post there. Thought it was a very insightful question and answer from a reader:
“Dear John: Among the many causes of the Soviet Union’s collapse was the falseness of the economic figures the central government relied on for planning and policy.
Workers lied to their supervisors, who lied to their bosses, who lied to the party, who lied to the Central Committee, who lied to the Supreme Soviet, who then lied to whoever was at the top of the pile.
One of the reasons the US did not foresee the collapse of the USSR was that we were reading and putting as much faith in the same false reports that the Soviets were.
I am afraid that our government is doing the same thing, only this time we are drinking our own tainted bathwater. In some sectors, the economy has never recovered from the 2007-2008 collapse, and most probably never will.
A rising stock market is masking underlying weaknesses in the economy. While profits are good, I cannot figure out who is buying stuff that generates those profits. A.Z.
Dear A.Z.: I studied the Soviet Union a long time ago in grad school. What ultimately did that regime in was the fact that the lies got bolder and bolder. The country was claiming, for instance, to have huge grain crops, but the people couldn’t buy bread.
Eventually the lies become too obvious, and then things go blooey.
Our stock market? It’s a bubble. Enjoy it while it lasts. Get out before it bursts.”
https://nypost.com/2018/03/11/barnes-and-noble-has-an-attitude-problem/
” In the meantime, we’re stuck with wildly expensive, out-of-scale, giant centralized schools where the worst tendencies of human status competition are amplified by smart phones and social media to all but eclipse classroom learning”
In the early 2000’s the NYC dept. of education dismantled nearly all of their large comprehensive High Schools, some of which had been in continuous operation since the 1920’s. With large grants from the Gates foundation, ( now since run out) each school building was divided up into up to 7 small “boutique” high schools- each with a catchy name like ” The Urban Assembly School for Wildlife Conservation” ( where a student was stabbed to death last year- it seems that they could’t even conserve their own wildlife) All of this is the antithesis of centralization. Each of these small schools has it’s own principal – at nearly $180,000 per , as well as other massive duplication of staff and services. All of this unsustainable boondoggle was orchestrated by Michael Bloomberg, who as word has it , is a financial genius. It seems as if “wildly expensive” doesn’t care if you are centralized or not.
I was once a Lowly Adjunct Instructor at my Alma Mater. I had taught there as an instructor of record while getting my PhD. After a stint in city administration, I taught for another 10 years before retiring.
It had become increasingly hard for me to get my students to actually do the necessary work in the courses I taught. Realizing that textbooks are ridiculously over priced, I managed to get reprint rights for some texts, that could then be read via on-line reserve. This cost my students nothing. But getting them to read the readings was almost impossible. I suspect that many of my students were border line illiterate, and at best, reading for them was painful and slow. They expected to get through my take-home essay examinations by using Google. If I thought that search engines could have replaced my on-line readings, I would have just given them search strings.
Many of my students were hostile to any viewpoints that contradicted their own opinions. I tried to counter act this, but failed. They would gang up and bully anyone who held a contrasting opinion. In other words, they were uneducated.
I finally realized that I could no longer teach using my favorite methods of instruction, and retired. One of my mentors who was one of the finest professors in my department, also struck the flag about the same time and for the same reasons.
Another friend of mine got her secondary school science teaching license before she retired from our university. She initially taught at a well respected Catholic high school, but had difficulties with helicopter parents. So, she got a job at a nearby public high school. There she had problems relating to her co-workers. She also had increasing problems concerning a lot of her students. She is a top flight teacher, but also realized that she was too old to effectively teach the current crop of students, and will be retired again after the end of this school year.
I think that many products or our public and private schools simply are not educable any more.
You should deliver commencement speeches with that abundance of positive reinforcing motivation you have going for you, Dr. Berg.
I can see how you motivated your students to accept your complacency.
A+
RW
School security needs to be brought to at least the level of court houses and airports and the TSA can have an additional function in keeping America’s schools safe. Why not? In conjunction with local police departments, the enhancement to the security of the students could only be improved considering the reduction in the number of skyjackings and serious airport problems — it couldn’t be any worse. Maybe it is security theatre but those metal detectors and body scans do check for weapons quite effectively. Plenty of TSA professionals already employed by the gubbermint to pass around; a couple for each school.
And every classroom needs a big can of wasp-spray or bear-spray; two of the most toxic formulas sold over the counter in this country. A preemptive spray to a suspect/active shooter would render them neutralized and possibly injured for life if not given a fatal dose.
Be careful what you wish for. Already the airports, through the TSA’s security methods, have introduced a vulnerability in the form of long lines and crowds forming on the outside of security. There is almost no security involved in getting to the center of that crowd and causing horrendous damage with any number of weapons available to the modern terrorist.
Also, do you remember what it was like to fly prior to 9/11/2001, compared to how it is now? Are you really wishing that kind of change onto our schools, for our kids?
“And every classroom needs a big can of wasp-spray or bear-spray; two of the most toxic formulas sold over the counter in this country. A preemptive spray to a suspect/active shooter would render them neutralized and possibly injured for life if not given a fatal dose.”
Pequiste,
Why did you not mention lead-spray?
Hey EL, I grew up in the 60’s. Shootin’, smokin’ pot, and listening to the Stones. Bear spray is a good idea especially with dye in it to identify the perp. Wasp spray not so much as it causes permanent blindness and would probably result in a law suit for cruel and unusual punishment with a huge settlement to the shooter. If ya shoot’em make sure you kill’em!
But getting them to read the readings was almost impossible. I suspect that many of my students were border line illiterate, and at best, reading for them was painful and slow. – Doc
I’ve read different versions of this account over the last 20 years or so from college professors. Seems that kids get out of high school pretty much empty-headed, knowing next to nothing aside from how to smile charmingly and carry themselves handsomely – to paraphrase Ben Franklin – and in dire need of remedial education.
The problem is how can you fix what hasn’t been done over the previous 12 years. I can’t see how.
This has real world consequences. Sort of paraphrasing again, but this time RH Tawney, books without things gives you Oxford dons, things without books gives you businessmen and the world goes to hell between them.
IOW there needs to be books, the books need to connect with the world.
But what are we supposed to do with the ‘Oxford dons’?
RW
The Oxford don in his world of books is supposed to impart knowledge to young people who then take this knowledge into the world of things.
That sounds like Silence of the Lambs is working at Oxford as a don.
” It puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again!”
Did you know that the Oxford dons missed calling the 08 Great Financial Crisis, and that Queen Elizabeth II had to ask the functionaries in The City why they all failed to spot the Great Financial Crisis in their overeducated midst as it was impinging on Queen Elizabeth’s financial margins & future of the United Kingdom?
They claimed to be bereft of the requisite creativity that would enable them to have such foresight.
Undoubtedly Queen Elizabeth II was not amused, methinks.
Oxford dons can give me their Lupins or their lives!
RW
Read Mezz Merrow’s “Really the Blues” – and realize the short shrift that’s been given to the great White Jazz and Bluesmen.
“I call the future a World Made By Hand because it is going to be entirely unlike the sci-fi robotic fantasy that currently preoccupies the thought-leaders in this culture. ”
Techno-narcissism?!… Morons in their cars w/ cellphones – that pretty much *DEFINES* our society.
You treat young men and women like responsible adults, you very well may be disappointed in the results because many of them won’t live up to your expectations.
On the other hand, you treat them like criminals and prisoners, with suspicion and heavy-handed discipline, and you will see them live up to that set of expectations. In spades.
The whole “blacks are getting, on average, more heavy-handed discipline because they are, on average, more violently disruptive than white kids” notion, in my opinion, reverses the direction of causality. And yes, it’s racist to do so. Own it.
First, however, understand what signals are sent to students when you search each and every one of them, every single day, for weapons. You are all suspected of being terrorists. We cannot ever bring ourselves to trust you enough to let you inside our classrooms unmolested. We can give absolutely none of you the benefit of the doubt. There is nothing you can do, ever, to earn it.
Step out of line, and it goes “on your permanent record,” as the saying goes.
“The whole “blacks are getting, on average, more heavy-handed discipline because they are, on average, more violently disruptive than white kids” notion, in my opinion, reverses the direction of causality. And yes, it’s racist to do so. Own it.”
My 32 years of inner city high school experience says otherwise. Oh, and by the way , there are no white kids in my school , as well as most other inner city high schools. So how can it be racist?
It’s racist because the cause and effect are reversed, which blames the wrong side of the equation for the violence and the disruption, and because the blame is centered on race an perpetuates a racist system that continues to make things worse.
Extending the culture of suspicion and heavy-handed discipline outward to all students will perhaps be less-racist, but will only serve to make the white kids more violently disruptive.
You don’t make kids better by hitting them harder. You don’t fix racism by turning the white kids into what you’ve already turned the black kids into.
Above someone wants to turn our schools into what the TSA has turned our airports into. While it may level the playing field in terms of white versus black, it does not make things better.
People put way too much trust into authoritarian violence and incarceration as a method to solve criminal problems, and neglect to see that it was the authoritarian violence and incarceration that caused the criminal problems in the first place.
I disagree. Fully. Every teacher we know and by that I mean my wife that is retired from the Montana school system and all the teachers we know would disagree with you. Let’s look at something. Shall we?
First off a tiny bit of Bonafides. I just turned 60. Wife is 62. So we are what I call late stage Boomers. 1946 to 1964 is the years range of birth of all, boomers.
When we went to school there was swift! And firm! Punishment. In school and at home. We live here in Montana. Born and raised. We farm. She married a farmer.
She grew up on a farm. But her family was not anywhere close to scale wise compared to my family. In fact today we own her family’s land. It was only 1105 acres. Now I admit, no school in Montana has ever had any trouble compared to big city schools.
Be that as it may, no schools in the 40s 50s early to mid 60s had any, discipline problems in any state compared to today. Here are the biggest reasons why.
In the 50s and the 60s nearly all schools was staffed by men that had fought in WW2 and the Korean War. Men that didn’t take any shit off any kids compared to today. Same with the lady teachers.
And the majority of Boomer parents coast to coast did whoop there kids. Growing up kids had a lot more fear towards not only there parents and teachers but all, adults compared to kids today.
I called our sheriff the other day (we grew up together graduated high school together) and I asked him if he could tell me the number of school shootings from 1945 to 1965. Since I know Sheriffs coast to coast have access to info/data base to things we don’t or, simply harder to get.
He said yep. Sure thing. I know what you want. I gotta buddy that’s a Deputy US Marshal down in Billings. I’m gonna call him. I know he can look up such criminal history in the US Marshal / FBI historical data base. Sure enough. Few days later he called me.
From 1945 to 1965 there was only 3. 3 school shootings. They have records on. Now. I don’t know how old you are. But if your 55 and older and if your dead ? honest with yourself then with me, you have to admit that not only schools but our parents, all disciplined our little asses back then a lot more than today.
Also, people get all caught up in the whole “racist” label and don’t understand that the term does NOT describe a moral failure on the level of the individual. Rather it is a design failure on the level of a system. In this case it is a design failure in a system of discipline within schools, a design failure that causes minorities (especially young black men) to increase their violent disruptions and become further and further alienated from the society that schools should be helping them to do the opposite, if the design was adequate to the task.
“In this case it is a design failure in a system of discipline within schools, a design failure that causes minorities (especially young black men) to increase their violent disruptions and become further and further alienated from the society that schools should be helping them to do the opposite, if the design was adequate to the task.”
Bruce,
If your premise be the case, then why do not students of outer ethnicities react similarly under the same conditions?
You sir, are an apologist.
Students of other ethnicities most-certainly do react similarly under the same conditions. The fact is they are not put under the same conditions in a proportional manner, because of the excuses we make blaming the disruptively-violent for their behavior rather than the system that made them disruptively-violent in the first place.
Students of other ethnicities are less-likely to be under these same conditions — and that’s the whole point. These conditions — the alienation, the suspicion, our willingness to use a heavier hand in their discipline in spite of the fact that it makes the problem worse — predate the heavier-and-heavier hand approach that seems to be the momentum of the day.
Just as the TSA did not make us safer at airports (in fact they have created a new vulnerability that, I’m convinced, will be exploited before long), and replicating their methods at schools will make things worse. We’ll scratch our heads and wonder why, and we’ll prescribe an even heavier hand in discipline and an even more-aggressive use of law enforcement and criminal courts/jails/prisons to try to combat it, and it will continue to get worse.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
Hear Hear!! ? ? I agree!!
“Oh, and by the way , there are no white kids in my school , as well as most other inner city high schools. So how can it be racist?”
And you’re version of “I’m not racist because I have black friends” is quite on-the-nose…
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I hate it when I do that. Can’t edit comments here apparently.
JHK – I wonder if you missed the news reports about how the Florida school shooter may have directly benefited from the federal pressure to shut down the “school to prison pipeline.” I wouldn’t blame you, as it’s been largely overlooked by the major media outlets in this country, but it seems like there were numerous incidents involving Cruz that could have been referred to the authorities for criminal prosecution which were swept under the rug for the sake of making the minority student discipline records look better.
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-03-06/did-an-obama-era-school-discipline-policy-contribute-to-the-parkland-shooting
I can tell that you watch one of the 5 Democratic Propaganda News Outlets. If you was a Fox ? watcher you would have known this the day after the shooting:) 🙂
When I was in high school 50 years ago, I had an eye-opening discussion with some black kids at the job we all worked at after-school.
The gist of it went like this:
“T, why don’t you white folks want us going to your schools?”
Me: “From what I understand, they (our elders) think it would be disruptive.”
“Yeah, you just don’t want us black boys getting friendly with the white girls.”
End of discussion.
The Old South was right: they are utterly and eternally obsessed with White Women, their own women being so utterly unattractive. Plus it’s getting over on White Men. For some, that may be the main thing.
As Jefferson said, they must be sent away from these shores, beyond the danger of mixture.
We integrated the following year on a token level. Events didn’t follow their predictable course until after I graduated. But they did win the state football championship after going winless during my school days. There’s that, I suppose.
I was listening to a discussion between Colin Flaherty and another blogger (whose name I forget). Apparently in schools with large numbers of black pupils the other boys don’t go to the toilets (rest rooms?) because they would get beaten up. They just didn’t use them at all, ever. Can anybody confirm this?
It was Kenn Givenden/Daily.
Oh really? The ugliest women I’ve ever seen in my life are Regressive Leftist white females and Black females. The ugliest women I’ve ever seen in all 39 countries that also includes some island ? ? ? Countries are Black Women and India Pakistan.
As Jefferson said, they must be sent away from these shores, beyond the danger of mixture.
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Except for Sally Hemmings, my 14 year old mullato bed wench
Education system in US is a dog’s breakfast. The Fed Gov should not be involved in education. Simple as that. Anyone with any awareness and common sense knows this. Yet, the misguided, indoctrinated Commies/Socialists, gov workers, teachers, and other pro-Gov / pro Nanny State people blindly support it. Just like everything else, Education will have to collapse before it is truly addressed.
I will never support Education, a propaganda machine and control mechanism of The State. I rent because I refuse to pay property tax and support the local educational system.
So many easy solutions for all of our “complex and difficult problems” but Gov, economics, money interests, and corrupt local, state and federal government will continue to misdirect, obfuscate, prevent and screw up any sane solution.
We are in a pathetic and dangerous condition due to all the BS that has and continues to go on in DC.
I will never support Education, a propaganda machine and control mechanism of The State. I rent because I refuse to pay property tax and support the local educational system. – amb
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I’ll give you a “nice try” but, of course, you realize it is your landlord who is now footing the tax bill for you.
Hear,Hear!
I dont understand how people think theyre not paying property taxes by renting… the landlords going to cover their nut. Youre probably paying less by combining with other renters on the property (unless youre renting a house by yourself) but youre still paying the school/property taxes. or more correctly the landlord is for you, as Q pointed out.
Excellent comment. I fully agree!!
Meanwhile, many readers will be surprised that Peak Oil is being replaced by a high hard ride on a long and bumpy plateau:
Now, another major issue has arisen. British Petroleum (BP), which has long expected their mature oil fields to naturally plateau and then decrease in production, has now announced that their legacy fields are increasing output, to the great surprise of experts in the field and BP executives alike.
https://wolfstreet.com/2018/03/10/old-oil-fields-die-hard/
Seems like peak oil is not really an issue any longer.
brh
“Despite the improvements, it’s still an uphill battle of massive proportions. Fields in decline produced 51 million barrels a day last year, according to the IEA. The ones that are still ramping up production contributed just 16 million to global supplies. Another 30 million came from unconventional sources, including shale and Canada’s tar sands, where production can remain steady for decades once mining operations have been set up.
An extra swirl around the drain. Fields in decline continue to decline. Peak oil is not replaced by a bumpy anything.
What does this look like to you?
Huffman High School is a “Magnet School”. Many of these kids and their teachers do drugs and watch porn on the Internet.
Although Huffman High School is 95% Black, the school mascot is a Viking. To accommodate, they’ve given the Huffman Viking a brown complexion, like in a minstrel show. No Shit!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otTaM0I_H8Q
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffman_High_School
If in Russia scientific achievements in full accordance with the scientific method that was formulated during the construction of the dome of St. Sophia were implicitly viewed as revelations from above, and scientists as possessors of a gift that can not be evaluated by any formal methods other than the ability to solve complex and nontrivial tasks, then in US ability to solve problems is considered a derivative of speed and ability to memorize.
That is, a person is viewed as a kind of computer, and the task of the education system is to select individuals with the maximum speed and memory capacity. This desire to formalize the assessment of human abilities has reached its apotheosis in exams on the system of multiple choice, developed in Princeton and known in Russia as the Unified State Exam(USE).
In fact, the USE is the result of adulation to the West and aims to destroy the Russian cultural and scientific tradition, since only the spectacle of the Mankurt nation can soothe the fear of this anti-Soviet totalitarian sect before the final verdict of history.
Won’t they just privatize public education, like the prison system? They’re “Useless Eaters”, but if you put them in a cage, then they become a valuable commodity because of the prison and school maintenance contracts?
“Education in the years to come is destined to become more of a privilege than a right, and it will probably depend more on how much an individual young person really desires an education than just compelling masses of uninterested or indisposed kids to show up everyday for an elaborate and rather poorly supervised form of day-care. But it’s difficult to let go of old habits and obsolete arrangements, especially when we’ve spent countless billions of dollars on them.”
The Consensus of Seventeen US Intelligence Agencies has been finally reached
And it is not very flattering: US Congress is trying to figure out whether the US Intelligence Community were too busy catching Russian spies in the White House to notice the epic re-armament of the Russian Army and Navy using American Uranium.
Are there really seventeen US Intel agencies?
That a lot of overpaid people.
RW
The Uranium One deal was not well covered by the mainstream media. If it weren’t for the documentary “Clinton Cash”, I would never have known about it. Catching Russian spies in the White House has replaced the Republican wars against gay Americans and abortion for now.
In the meantime, little or nothing is being done to fix our broken medical insurance system. Many of us are only one medical emergency away from bankruptcy. Fortunately, I am not one of them, at least for now.
“Ms. DeVos needs to visit Finland” –99 cent nation
“why?” –thwack
LOL! This is an illustration of what is wrong with USA education.
Why Finland has the Best Education by Michael Moore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ_agxK6fLs
America should stop teaching to standardized tests.
Michael Moore?
That guy still around?
Hasn’t had a heart attack yet?
living in those nice digs in Manhattan, ordering the best pizza in the world, $35 per pie.
brh
Here’s an inspiring story to offset the fat slob.
https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/03/a-warrior-scholars-fight-for-rhodesia/
Young American guy fought for his Race and Civilization in Rhodesia – and paid the ultimate price. Pat Tillman was starting to awaken. This guy was wide awake in his early 20’s. He saw it all apparently. Blacks, Feminists, Judeo-Masonry, the War against the White Man and his Civilization, etc.
Universal Basic Income?
Yes! Our economy over the long haul might become less labor intensive. Over the years, the amount of time spent at work has declined dramatically – from almost 60 hours per week in 1900, to 50.6 hours per week in 1930, and to around 41 hours per week today. We have enormous leisure time that was unheard of 100 years ago – shorter working days and weeks, vacations, holidays, and retirement. John Maynard Keynes thought that the workweek would shorten to 15 hours due to “our discovery of means of economizing the use of labor outrunning the pace at which we can find new uses for labor.” Artificial intelligence might finally be realizing this dream of increased productivity and leisure time.
If our personal income stayed the same and we gained more leisure, we’d all be better off. But right now people are paid only for the work they do, and there’s no guarantee that fewer hours of work would generate the same level of income. Moreover, some people will not be able to find work at all as machines become increasingly capable. It is unrealistic to expect that all truck drivers replaced by autonomous vehicles will find new jobs as coders.
Enter the universal basic income.
Where’s the free swag coming from, little Jane?
And are illegals eligible for this free swag?
brh
Read “In Our Hands” by the brilliant Charles Murray. The numbers are there if the will is. The Super Rich will still be super rich. But the incredibly poor will be off the streets. Is that a bad thing?
And again, most people will still want to work for a whole host of reasons. Have you not been following the drift here? Jobs are getting scarce. What’s you solution? None, right? So don’t throw stones at those trying to light a single candle. I know you have trouble with change. So do I. Is anyone saying this is the best way for humanity to have gone?
The question was never even asked. And they hung Ned Lud and his men for asking too insistently.
And yeah, it won’t work if we have open borders. Nothing will. Only a closed system can do work in the sense of physics. Think of an engine. A contained explosion.
In NJ if you tallied up the amount of government assistance available to average low-income adult its well over 10,000 much more if you have kids. NJ is definitely on the high side of that but I imagine it would hold true in many if not most states. If this Universal Basic Income will replace welfare, food stamps, unemployment, etc. then sure. Should be cheaper and easier to dispense, too. It could be subsistence for some, insurance for others. Free overdose and cirhossis for some, too.
Also France already has a “robot tax” in place. Something along those lines could pay for it as well, but would hurt our competitiveness, globally.
And definitive NO for illegals.
Stop devaluing the citizenship. We can learn something from the Romans.
Euthanasia?
As in kill off those who have and hand it out to those you wish to manipulate? Yup, sounds like a plan. Janet’s numbers sound about right, though I would disagree that flat wages and more leisure time is a good thing. Wages are flat of that there can be little doubt but leisure time is when people tend to overspend their asses off and if you consider real, actual inflation (like the cost of energy and food and education and taxation and all of the other things that the government excludes) flat wages are a slow road to debt slavery.
As far as Universal Basic Income is concerned, the idea is interesting, especially if it is used to offset government mandates and is funded through money printing by the Feral Reserve (NOT through taxation) but there will always be a problem, at least IMHO with handing out payments to individuals without receiving some sort of service in return. It rewards sloth rather than encouraging motivation.
Universal Basic Income has been estimated to be $10000 per person. Where will capital going to come from to pay this stipend? This has a double whammy to it. Taxation will have to be aimed at the means of production, the AI environment. I believe the Obama group was anticipating this with their high corporate tax base to afford all the additional welfare that was occurring during the jobless recovery. The problem is when these increasing taxes happen, corporations will simply leave. The result is the elite gets richer and the US folks get poorer. The second problem is, who will manage the show? Who will make sure everyone gets their due and that enough taxes are collected to pay the folks. The Federal Government! Ha! Can you imagine this government running anything correctly and with no corruption. Fat chance! The problem with the Left is they believe there is a box that just produces money and they can just spend and spend and the money will always be there.
@JohnAZ
Where will capital going to come from to pay this stipend?
Sell more Treasuries of course. What’s a few trillion added to the cumulative debt. Simple math says this would be $3.2 Trillion added to the budget deficit each year.
After beginning 2008 at $6.051 Trillion (42% of GDP), Treasury Securities ended 2017 at $16.431 TN (83% of GDP). Treasury and Agency Securities combined for $25.288 TN, or 128% of GDP. Gee, seems like that would indicate tax revenues not growing fast enough to support spending. Difference has to be borrowed, right? Hence ballooning ratio of outstanding Treasury Debt to GDP. When does this shitshow blow up? You got me, I gave up trying to understand a long time ago. All I know is you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Or you can’t eat your cake and have it too. Something like that.
“Our” corporations will leave? Well, that’s not very patriotic. We’ll invite other corporations to take their place: German, French, etc – people used to playing ball with a nation state.
Those who want luxuries will not accept the increased leisure. Others will. Choice. That’s the beauty of it. Some will work but work less – creating an opening for those who otherwise wouldn’t find any work.
Leisure was a dream for ages. The Ancient Greeks said they would renounce slavery when the wheels turned by themselves. All the World Fairs promised this, as well as early science fiction. Why turn away when the dream is finally here? People won’t be able to handle the leisure? You’re right – many won’t. And again, they won’t have to. And jobs will be more valued than ever because of their scarcity. And careers even more so. Nothing will change except the really bad stuff like homelessness and crimes born from it and poverty. And yes, it will take a lot of management and controlled prices on some basics. I think it’s worth the effort. Of course I never believed in Capitalist chaos, the “war of all against all.” Not like it’s been practiced here for centuries.
Is that what you do – “work” 15 hours a week?
Job Guarantee is better. Full employment used to be a political mandate.Then came neoliberalism and now jobs are devalued.
Schools are devalued, Education and healthcare are devalued.
The Deficit is demonised [yet we need it to grow the economy]Government debt is demonised [it is in truth just corporate welfare]’ We have huge “unfunded liabilities” we leave to our children. [Actually there is no such thing] The jobless are devalued [the Fed can pay for everyone to have a Job at a living wage]
It’s all a world of lies, wilfully stripping away the rights of the population, denying their birthright, their health and education, and to have a home and a job, all sacrificed on the altar of Randian neoliberalism.
Probably the individual most responsible for the shape of US public schools today, outside of Horace Mann, is John Dewey. Dewey can best be described as a Trotskyite, a confirmed Marxist who had his differences with Stalin but still mostly stuck to the party line. In the 1920s and 30s Dewey made many trips to Moscow and, like dozens of other American fellow travellers of the time, turned a blind eye to the mass murder that was happening all around him. (for ideaological reasons)
today local news stations hosted high school students from around the state involved in the school walkout next week. These were the leaders, earnest kids getting some facetime on TV. Their message was nebulous. They wanted change. They wanted to feel safe. They are the future. Guns were hardly mentioned except they advocated for ‘commonsense gun control’. (Where have I heard that before?)
Jim, this public school system, these teachers unions, are so deeply intrenched and powerful they will never change, except to grow larger and larger until every last dime is sucked out of the body politic to keep them going, which is underway now. Ontop of that, in most of these NE towns, their whole identity is tied up in the school system, ‘specially the high school, i.e. football victories, basketball championships, students accepted into ivy league colleges, and so on. Our local HS goes back to 1851. No, these schools are here to stay, and the more they fail the more cash will be poured into them. So what if the towns, cities and states are bankrupted? Its all about the children.
brh
‘Dewey can best be described as a Trotskyite,
‘still mostly stuck to the party line.
That does not follow.
It seems he veered toward Trotsky and even visited Trotsky in Mexico; nevertheless he never lost his enthusiam and ardor for the Soviet Union and the revolution.
Who Knows, in the Soviet Union, if Trotsky hadn’t been out manuevered by Stalin and came out on top, there might have been 50 million Russians liquidated instead of a mere 30 million. Trotsky was no lover of humanity either, believe me.
brh
Moralists of the Anglo-Saxon type, in so far as they do not confine themselves to rationalist utilitarianism, the ethics of bourgeois bookkeeping, appear conscious or unconscious students of Viscount Shaftesbury, who at the beginning of the 18th century! deduced moral judgments from a special “moral sense” supposedly once and for all given to man. Supra-class morality inevitably leads to the acknowledgment of a special substance, of a ’’moral sense’’, ’’conscience’’, some kind of absolute which is nothing more than the philosophic-cowardly pseudonym for god. Independent of “ends”, that is, of society, morality, whether we deduce it from eternal truths or from the “nature of man”, proves in the end to be a form of “natural theology”. Heaven remains the only fortified position for military operations against dialectic materialism. – Leon Trotsky
Trotsky was not into maneuvering and actually he was a lover of humanity. That he was a lover of humanity you don’t agree with we understand.
Jesus loves you. That He was a lover of humanity you don’t agree with we understand.
Jesus was a socialist.
It’s an anachronism to say Jesus was a socialist. He preached His message within a traditional society. Most people in traditional societies are “socialists” broadly speaking. He had to make His appeal in traditional ways of thought.
After Jesus works your ass through an eye of a needle I don’t you will be able to spell anachronism. But not to worry Jesus won’t really do it. It was just a way of making a point. Jesus is nonviolent and does not play favorites. That’s what makes him a socialist. He’d even wash your feet.
Thanks for the info. But what about Trotsky?
I don’t think advocating that Lev Davidovich Bronstein otherwise known as Trotsky was a socialist is necessary. To be technical he was a Menshevist originally, and he only joined the Bolshevecs because picking the winning side in a revolution is a damn good idea.
Intellectually the Menshevists were superior but Lenin was about winning. Lenin was driven to avenge the murder of his brother by the Czar’s father after all, and when he had the entire family murdered it was job done. Stalin, the darkest of souls, must have picked up on tat darkness within Lenin around his brother and used it as the pig he was.
Regarding democracy Trotsky would have been the one to eventually lead Russia to an egalitarian society where everyone had a voice. Too bad he was never given a chance. Though essentially a non violent man he was brilliant and had led an army of three million to victory on 17 fronts to win the revolution.
Prior to the revolution Vladimir Lenin argued for a small party of professional revolutionaries who would lead a large contingent of non-party supporters. Julius Martov advocated for a larger, more democratic organization of supporters.
Leon Trotsky tried to reconcile the two factions, resulting in numerous clashes between both groups’ leaders.
Trotsky’s neutrality was seen as disloyal. These men, including Trotsky, had all suffered under the Czar so extreme passions ruled the day.
You conveniently left out that Trotsky advocated the violent worldwide overthrow of governments, captured in the term ‘permanent revolution’. This is I think the primary implication of the term ‘Trotskyite’. It was the basis of his disagreement with Stalin.
You’re known by the company you keep so I can’t really accept the premise that Trotsky was a good man, although he may not have matched the psychopathy of Stalin.
Bourgeois evolutionism halts impotently at the threshold of historical society because it does not wish to acknowledge the driving force in the evolution of social forms: the class struggle. Morality is one of the ideological functions in this struggle. The ruling class forces its ends upon society and habituates it into considering all those means which contradict its ends as immoral. That is the chief function of official morality. It pursues the idea of the “greatest possible happiness” not for the majority but for a small and ever diminishing minority. Such a regime could not have endured for even a week through force alone. It needs the cement of morality. The mixing of this cement constitutes the profession of the petty-bourgeois theoreticians, and moralists. They dabble in all colors of the rainbow but in the final instance remain apostles of slavery and submission. – Leon Trotsky
Interesting about Dewey. I read a little about him a few months ago. I don’t think his Wiki entry goes as far as you do about his left-wing views but I am more inclined to believe your version. He sounds similar to the Webbs and the Fabians of the period, in particular their infatuation with the USSR.
Peter Hitchens was a Trot in his younger days. Amusing little article here:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/take-it-from-an-ex-trot-labour-neednt-worry-about-trotskyists/
Note that he describes both Stalin and Trotsky as “merciless killers”.
The entire progressive humanity, gays, CNN anchors, SJWs, BLMs, Californian Democrats, Mexican Drug Dealers and #MeToos mourns the treacherous decision by Republicans in House Intelligence Committee to end Trump-Russia investigation.
John Podesta personally cooked a couple of spirits, recently liberated from the fetters of the flesh, on the Altar of the Great Deceiver with a humble prayers to send a courage to the last hope of the entire satanic community – Bob Mueller – to double his efforts in defeating the remaining sanity and common sense in American public.
Vlad Puten with his crooked impudent KGB smirk observes from the Mordor Kremlin Tower the desperation settling in the ranks of the last defenders of the Greatest Democracy in the known Universe.
First off, you neglected to include the useless eaters amongst the flotsam & jetsam of progressive humanity you listed above. And the greatest democracy in the known universe is in CANADA which is not presently gazed upon by the dude in the Mordor Kremlin Tower you so eloquently refer to as sporting a smirk when in fact it is characteristic of a Cheshire Cat grin instead.
RW
Who’s got the Weiner Laptop?
Jared and other Trump operatives.
White Savior Complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQco22znyfI
Vlad Putin crossed the red line, threatening all civilized humanity with his rusty missiles. The Liberal Opposition and Ukrainian military experts have already taken apart all his “novelties” on Twitter and Facebook and didn’t find anything there.
It is well known that without the Ukrainian spare parts, no Golden Horde missile can fly. Battle lasers and missiles with a nuclear power plant also seem to be a bluff, if only because Russia is a concentration of medieval barbarism, and not an advanced technology.
If it was spoken by Elon Musk in a fashionable presentation in a black turtleneck than may be. Who knows? I don’t.
That’s why now the State Department asks all honest and decent people, gays, CNN journalists and Eurocrats to remain completely calm and not to make any sudden movements.
Until the Sixth Fleet will not receive new anti-missiles capable of knocking down Putin’s scrap metal, we do not want to get a Horde’s missile right into the window of the White House because of some nutty NBC Interview. Yahooooooooooo!!!
Who knows what if the Orc’s rockets really fly?
In the meantime, Congress will allocate new funds to the Pentagon for missile defense, and the Brighton Beach intelligentsia will urgently descend to the bottom of secret anti-nuclear bunker in the “Matryoshka” bar for a brain-storming session around the bucket of Stoli.
Na Zdoroviye!
The puny but deadly Putin missiles were guided into the body of Nemtsov, and even the Grandmaster Kasperov could find no checkmate.
Launched at Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were the mighty molecular missiles of Agent Novichok.
The American silos should salivate, seeing the bare chested Putin and his well known soul that the Bastinda with the mountainous buttocks says is not there, but bares itself by bringing death abroad.
Putin perhaps forgets that the British have both tea And the Trident. But they are timid with their tea. America is now double wrapped by the Dems and the Rooskies, while Britain has its Brexit and the Muslim hordes. Add in Kim Jong un and Putin is out of the crosshairs. Put him back in with a dose of Drones, something. Capable, yes. Willing? Beware, the future is coming.
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/03/russia-will-challenge-us-military-superiority-europe-2025-us-general/146523/
Did you say “Naval Intelligence”, or “Navel Intelligence”?
“Huffman High School is a Magnet School. The students are drawn from all over by the drugs and the Internet porn.”
I read up on it Pucker. The shooting looks to be a tragic gun accident and nothing more. You need to turn you porn off now.
Excellent example of framing an argument in support of official propaganda:
Putin Faces Midnight Deadline to Explain Nerve Attack on Former Spy to UK
Questions and observations:
Why is Impotent Britain PM Theresa May airing Deep State dirty laundry, which is always fifty shades of gray, in public in the first place? Because it supports a preconceived marketing plan meant to sell the larger theme that Russia and Putin are PURE EVIL?
Since when does Vladimir Putin or any foreign leader subject themselves to artificial deadlines imposed by Impotent Britain or any other foreign state for that matter?
Assuming Sergei Skripal was a Soviet double agent guilty of passing Russian state secrets to Impotent Britain, isn’t his elimination with extreme prejudice pretty much standard operating procedure (SOP) for any self-respecting spy agency worth its salt?
How does Theresa May, an impotent little coddled poodle in the mold of a certain failed US politician of the same gender, sleep at night? Surrounded by an army of guards, handlers, and toadies no doubt.
An altogether better explanation:
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The attack on Skripal is by no means an isolated incident; there have been multiple suspicious murders of high-profile Russians within the UK for which no adequate explanation has been given. There is a consistent pattern: a strange murder; an instantaneous leap to “blame Russia”; and an attempt to exploit the incident politically. It would be beneficial to put this incident in context, but this would require a much longer article.
You would be justified in thinking that none of this makes much sense. Given the dearth of evidence, to make sense of this story we are forced to indulge in a bit of conspiracy theory. However, if a conspiracy theory is what it takes to produce the simplest, most elegant and most internally consistent explanation, then that in itself can be considered as circumstantial evidence for the existence of a conspiracy. My simple and consistent explanation, expressed in a single sentence, is as follows:
Under direction from their colleagues in the US, and closely following a script previously worked out in the Litvinenko case over a decade ago, the British secret services, in close coordination with the British government and the press, poisoned Skripal and his daughter using a nerve agent obtained from Britain’s military research base at Porton Down (an 18-minute drive from Salisbury) in order to obtain an excuse to compromise the World Cup games in Russia this summer and also to create a scandal immediately before the Russian presidential election.
This is deplorable, of course, but there is a silver lining to this cloud as far as Russia is concerned: Britain (and, by association, the US) will now have a much harder time recruiting double agents from inside the Russian government, since their recruitment prospects will now know that they will remain vulnerable even if they escape, or are pardoned and exchanged. Clearly, the British consider them disposable and see it fit to kill them in exotic ways, then to exploit the incident for political purposes.
As far as Skripal himself… well, that’s just a really sad story: reputation ruined, life ruined, living in exile, wife dead from cancer, son dead from liver failure, and now this. All for the sake of serving as a warning unto others, which is: Don’t trust the Anglos, for they are devious and without shame.
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https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/03/false-flags-for-newbies.html
Ol’ Scratch,
I also find this a more well-reasoned explanation because of the purposes that are served by it.
There’s an awful lot of this kind of shit going on in the world today and it all reflects back on the same old story: Never accept the promises of the Anglo-American consortium on face value as there is *always* an ulterior motive and their treaties are not worth the paper they’re written on. Never mind the soothing language of revision, distraction or distortion; the deeds are alarmingly self-evident. Look to motive and all is revealed.
Orlov’s usually right on the mark. And DC/London is growing increasingly desperate and predictable.
Scratchy,
There’s another indication that Orlov may be right on the mark: Your posting was immediately followed by a blizzard of bullshit from Finca. That, in and of itself, gives it more weight and credibility. 😀
Yep.
Briefly about the most important
The situation is developing so quickly that I can not keep posts in synch with the results of this monitoring. The downside is that I can not finish the analysis of the main consequences of the new military strategic balance, which has changed dramatically since the Putin’s speech to the Federal Assembly.
Therefore, very short and primitive, so primitive that’s almost disgusting:
1. Putin’s speech is not an announcement about restored parity.
Parity was restored prior to the speech, and the speech is an announcement of achieving a decisive military superiority. And, after watching the Sunday broadcasts of political shows, I can quite responsibly declare that the US elite regarded this statement in this way.
2. For the Trump administration, this is a plus, since the responsibility for the loss of the US military superiority is borne by the Obama administration (Hillary Clinton)
3. Clintonoids understood this before the Trampistas, but they seem to be preparing some nastiness in the midterm elections or immediately after them, which will allow them to level the failure at the level of the military-strategic balance.
And so they’re shifting the burden of their operations onto the ideological sphere, using such useful Orthodox idiots as Priest George Maximov, who succumbed to the provocations and united the Namibians of the early 20th century and modern sectarians, which also arose not without the help of anti-Russian intelligence services, to which a clear task was set:
Force the Orthodox Russia to voluntarily give up Orthodox Christianity, or at least refuse a role of a Katechon.
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Katechon – the historical power to restrain the appearance of the Antichrist and the end of the present eon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon
The Religious battles could get pretty heated sometimes:
Storming the monastery
In June 1913 a small Russian fleet, consisting of the gunboat Donets and the transport ships Tsar and Kherson, delivered the archbishop of Vologda, Nikon (Rozhdestvensky), and a number of troops to Mount Athos (Greece).
The poll organized by the archbishop had shown that among 1700 of St. Panteleimon Monastery’s monks, 661 monks identified themselves as imiabortsy, 517 as imiaslavtsy, 360 refused to participate in the poll, and the rest identified themselves as neutral.
In May and June archbishop Nikon held talks with the imiaslavtsy and tried to convince them to change their beliefs voluntarily, but was unsuccessful.
On 31 July, the troops stormed the monastery. Although the monks were not armed and did not actively resist, the troops showed very heavy-handed tactics. They set up two machine guns and a number of water cannons, and the soldiers were ordered to beat the monks with their bayonets and rifle butts. Allegedly, four monks were killed and at least forty-eight were wounded. After the storming of St. Panteleimon Monastery the monks from the Andreevsky Skete surrendered voluntarily.
The military transport Kherson was converted into a prison ship. It took 628 monks to Russia and on 9 July set sail to Odessa. Forty monks were left in the Mt. Athos hospital, judged unable to survive the transportation. On 14 July, the steamship Chikhachev delivered another 212 monks from Mt. Athos. The rest of the monks signed papers that they rejected the imiaslavie.
After interrogation in Odessa, 8 imprisoned monks were returned to Athos, 40 put into jail, and the rest were defrocked and exiled to different areas of the Russian Empire according to their propiska. One of the leaders of the imiaslavtsy, Antony Bulatovich, was sent to his family estate in the village Lebedinka of Kharkov gubernia, to where many imiaslavtsy moved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imiaslavie
“Education in the years to come is destined to become more of a privilege than a right, and it will probably depend more on how much an individual young person really desires an education than just compelling masses of uninterested or indisposed kids to show up everyday for an elaborate and rather poorly supervised form of day-care.”
The elephant in the room that few are willing to speak about when it comes to public education: teachers as surrogate parents.
Public schools/education are used by enormous swathes of working poor, immigrants, and disinterested/unprepared parents to be more than daycare providers; they are used to raise their children.
America wants cheap labor. They want dad working a construction job while mom cleans hotel rooms. They want children learning English at schools because they cannot learn it at home, they want illegal immigrants working menial jobs, but do not want children without supervision at home joining gangs. They want single moms and unemployed parents to be able to raise broods without restrictions. Endless public support of unplanned parenthood. These unaccompanied, unmanaged, uncontrolled, and frequently unwanted children need a place to go. That place is called public school. They are not there to lean, they are there to be fed and warehoused while their parents feed the corporate economy and drain the public one.
Again, the schools are merely yet another symptom. A symptom of overpopulation. Overpopulation of an ever-expanding underclass determined to reproduce without restrictions and determined to raise a family, no longer on one, but two parent incomes, and may times without incomes or fathers.
That’s the new ‘murican way after all.
Avatar,
It’s overpopulation of the underclass, and under-population of the best and brightest. The smartest women all have careers first, motherhood second. By not having children until over 30 or 35, the highest IQ women will have no more than 1 or 2 children. Replacement rate among this group cannot be achieved, and is not being achieved anywhere in the entire white West. So, as the movie “Idiocracy” showed, we are getting dumber as a species, not smarter. Wherever this all ends up can’t be good.
Biological Leninism
The point again is, that you can’t run a tight, cohesive ruling class with white men. They don’t need to be loyal. They’ll do ok anyway. A much easier way to run an obedient, loyal party is to recruit everyone else. Women. Blacks. Gays. Muslims. Transexuals. Pedophiles.
Those people may be very high performers individually, but in a natural society ruled by its core of high performers, i.e. a white patriarchy, they wouldn’t have very high status. So if you promise them high status for being loyal to you; you bet they’re gonna join your team.
They have much to gain, little to lose. The Coalition of the Fringes, Sailer calls it. It’s worse than that really. It’s the coalition of everyone who would lose status the better society were run. It’s the coalition of the bad. Literal Kakistocracy.
https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/
Intriguing is how insistent is the human psyche’s demand for panacea that defy empirical evidence of feasibility. Here we are as a society holding vast bodies of knowledge accumulated by specialties of scientific endeavor that didn’t exist just a hundred years ago, supporting understanding only vaguely intuited through history. Yet, most of the public discourse is a wrangling between Utopian “isms” of secular nature, but each embraced as fervently as has been religious dogma in the past. I refer to them as “shaggy god stories” and “secular rapture” (always expressed with the same hysterical tone and timbre of the Biblical Rapture). Consequently, our polity has moved away from behaving according to necessity of societal survival as demonstrated by history. That being, appropriate flexibility while retaining sufficient cohesiveness to confront the external pressures.
Nature doesn’t care if all survive, individual persons or societies; most societies have been subsumed or completely annihilated by others that adapted better. As JHK has indicated, American education has shifted its emphasis away from objective purpose of societal survival, becoming instead a battle ground of virtue signal flags being waved by the various contending “isms”. Left behind has been the primary justification for publicly financed general education; preparation for sovereign citizenship role in our Westernized democratic republic (knowledge and understanding of structure and process of government which I was taught in 8th grade of public education).
So “raptured” by purely fanciful idealism we’re unable to reckon the critical developmental gaps occurring among children that current scientific knowledge informs to be resulting in inability to imbibe the benefits of public education — instead acting to disrupt. So here we are, as in the example illustrated by Black Lives Matter, unable to confront the reality that Black culture has become completely dysfunctional, instead insisting that all outcomes be, never the less, “equal”. Willful ignorance of history and the grim implications of
human behavior sciences has become the objective of public education, not illumination.
” The sad truth about American schools is that they’re a mirror for the painful collapse of the society they supposedly serve”.
Collapse begins with the powerless: Children, Latin American immigrants, and many of your Clusterfuck-nation commentors.
“Education in the years to come is destined to become more of a privilege than a right, and it will probably depend more on how much an individual young person really desires an education than just compelling masses of uninterested or indisposed kids to show up everyday for an elaborate and rather poorly supervised form of day-care. But it’s difficult to let go of old habits and obsolete arrangements, especially when we’ve spent countless billions of dollars on them.”
Watch the replacement of schools with prisons that is underway. Your Clusterfuck-nation commentors need to watch out for the Police State intruding on them.
What makes you think that the police state intruding on us is not part of our plan? Those of us out here fighting back against the unstoppable force of decay in all of our systems often burn out or kill themselves once they run out of the will to carry on the fight. Since comrades in arms are fewer and further between every day and suicide is not an option, being plucked our of my chair and sent of to a Gulag becomes a very viable option. First of all it relieves me of the responsibility to resist anymore and secondly it would free me to concentrate on the most important thing I have, my God and my Faith in Him. It is far easier to rot in prison, even if hard labor is required than it is to fight alone against an unstoppable force. Everything I post I assume is read and saved by some government spook somewhere. I stand behind all of my statements and I denounce violence and aggression always. If that earns me a cell in the can, bring it on, I am prepared.
Janos, the reason I brought up Asian kids is that if they had been around in any numbers when I was a kid they would have out-paced us academically if today’s performance is any indication. The reason it would have been a GOOD thing is that it would have shown what was possible in terms of academic achievement. Students that don’t piss around and parents behind them pushing them are a GOOD thing.
The issue nowadays in my own estimation is a majority society that doesn’t give a shit about knowledge and learning. That’s why knowledge and learning are about the last priority of educational systems.
Maybe the influence of Asians can turn the ship. Maybe not.
Asians aren’t really that smart.
They exhibit a very linear, rote, “parade ground” intelligence which stifles creativity, retards the intuitive leap, and results in ant like behavior and a hive like mentality.
Sure, they excel at becoming doctors and engineers… theres a clear path for those disciplines… even black people can become those if you allow them.
But ask them to become a comedian or any other no linear path to success and they are lost.
Just sayin
Yes, Asians are no smarter than us white folks. But they understand that if kids are in school and not learning anything, then you’re wasting time and money. And they grasp the notion that the more you know the better off you are because not everyone is cut out to be a comedian or a hip-hop or NBA star. Common sense IOW hasn’t eluded them.
Just sayin’
“Asians aren’t really that smart. They exhibit a very linear, rote, “parade ground” intelligence … that results in ant like behavior, bullet trains, an education system that works, and no gun-related school violence.
In Asian schools, besides having teachers for different subjects, each class has its own head teacher (kids stay in one classroom the whole day, basically). This teacher is responsible for establishing discipline in his or her class. Also, the head teacher is the one who calls a child’s parents if he or she misbehaves. On the other hand, in American schools, each teacher has to establish discipline or contact parents on a per-student basis, amongst all his or her many students.
Teachers in American schools are allowed to send their students out in case they misbehave or show lack of respect. Also, schools are allowed to suspend students.
Asian schools are different; according to their law, “no child shall be denied an education”, teachers aren’t allowed to send kids out of the classroom. Also, schools don’t suspend kids. They assume kids would fall in with a bad crowd, smoke, drink, or do other mischievous things if they are banned from the class.
As far as I can tell, Asians as a group have acquired much wisdom over the centuries and have always appeared to be very industrious and far more concerned with the entire culture, not the individual. I cannot see why or how they will not take over one day as THE superpower on the planet, barring an untimely destruction form one cause or another. What works for their culture cannot however, work for other cultures and especially not the American culture. The self-centered, me first American mindset would rather die than conform to such a mantra and I am certain that it will. So just as T Rex could not be saved by a lifestyle change or the acquisition of a Smart Phone, Americans some day must surely join our fellow dinosaurs in extinction. It is our destiny.
And most of all, they always put their people first before other peoples. In a word, they love themselves – AS a People, not just as a collection of greedy individuals.
The attitude is very different in Asian culture where education is prized. The difference is the parents’ attitude about supporting the educational process. Two attitudes prevail, one indifference because education is considered unimportant for the future and two, overindulgence of kids,” my child is never wrong”. Cultural differences cause a lot of number one, and number two is a result of our spoiled population. School administrations are scared to death of parental law suits so necessary discipline is rarely done.
One important point is that behavioral tendencies in kids develop during years 0 – 6 and that teachers bear the brunt of behavioral issues learned at home. Correction is very difficult by both parents and the education system and every year that passes without correction hardens the personality. With the myriad inputs that teachers see, it is no wonder we have as many problems as there are.
John,
We in the fast deteriorating USA could do a lot worse that let the East Asians take over the country. The white man has certainly made a mess of things. Better the Asians than the Zionists.
You cannot blame the Zionists (the King of the South) without including the Vatican (the King of the North) for they are in league together against those Who Believe. Where the East Asians fit into the plan I cannot be really sure. What you suggest about them taking over the failing Western society and doing better may very well be true for we have certainly screwed things up here beyond repair. I will still have resist such takeover unfortunately for reasons I do not fully understand, but it would be fitting indeed to see it happen wouldn’t it?
@Walter B,
You make a good point about the Zionists and the Vatican being in bed together. It was not always thus. Prior to WWII and Holocaust guilt, they were often avowed enemies. Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron. Zionist radio talk show host Dennis Prager said so years ago. The US is the only country in the world that uses that term. Staunch traditionalist Catholic scholar E Michael Jones, who has made many informative YouTube videos, is dismayed at the liberal turn that the RC Church has taken, most especially under Pope Francis.
“They exhibit a very linear, rote, “parade ground” intelligence which stifles creativity, retards the intuitive leap, and results in ant like behavior and a hive like mentality.”
Yeah, and they all have buck teeth and wear glasses…cannot pilot a fighter plane….WWII is calling, they want their viewpoint returned…forthwith!
Just rememberin’
It’s good to remember. I think it was the grandson of Robert E Lee, who after a knock-down, drag out fight with the Japanese navy during WW2, said that the only advantage the US navy had over the Japanese in that battle was radar. In no way was the Japanese inferior to the American in seamanship, or gunnery or bravery or commitment. People would do well to remember those lessons.
The biggest mistake of the Japanese was to start thinking and acting like white people — BEING IMPATIENT; thats what caused them to launch the attack on Pearl Bailey.
Patience has always been an Asian forte. Ho Chi Minh was planning on defeating the Americans sometime around 1994.
That is true. Asians are the most patient of all the races. The negro being on one end of the scale (impulsive, high time-preference) and the asian on the other end. Whites are in the middle but closer to asians.
These differences in temperament have even been demonstrated by behaviorists on newborns. The asian babies settle down much quicker than the other races after being disturbed.
Thats why white people were so upset when Tiger Woods burst on the scene.
They weren’t expecting the rice to be brown.
“Whites are in the middle but closer to asians.”
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slo ya roll Casper.
First of all, epigenetics are probably in play here because in highly dynamic, dangerous environments, acting instead of sperging out like a white boy can actually be an advantage.
Today white boys are LARPing out online and sticking needles in their arms; while white people like “Tate” bragg about the perfect temperament of white babies that aren’t even being born?
Not to mention the ones being liquidated by Planned Murderhood.
This is why we lose.
Epigenetics probably does play a part. Whites are playing Mozart to their unborns while blacks are, well you know…. Gunplay is a common feature.
That is true. Asians are the most patient of all the races”
Tate,
You might find more acceptance of your statement if you suggested that many Asian Cultures promote patience..
I don’t know, I didn’t notice any asians getting torqued about it.
Tate,
No, your comment did not offend anyone…just more defensible.
No, there’s no mystery: they are smarter on average than Whites (but not smarter than our smartest – and less creative in all probability). And therefore a deadly threat to be kept out.
It’s like saying maybe our boys getting beaten up by Blacks every day will toughen them up. Maybe it will – but at what cost to them and society? There are easier ways to attain this goal and the other one as well.
But of course as a Civic Nationalist you can’t see any reason whatsoever why Whites should have their own nations. That would be far too organic and thus “evil”, right? As Wesley Clark said, We’re not going with mono-ethnic countries in Europe anymore – and to that end they bombed Serbia for three months.
East Asians revere family and put it above all else. The Japanese, for one, make every effort to keep their culture pure, strictly limiting immigration even as their country’s population ages and declines in number. If Asians happened to be in charge of the US, would they allow their family structure to fall apart as whites have done? They would be more likely to declare martial law if needed, where whites dither and lose the battle, worried about what Rachel Maddow might say. The Chinese aren’t under the illusion that democracy is the highest form of government. This country is dying of too much democracy, (two wolves arguing over a sheep), not too little.
Maybe the influence of Asians can turn the ship. Maybe not.
Asian invasion is the end of White Majority nations.
Chindia has about 3 billion people.
Chinese are so superstitious.
Whats the ‘plus’ that Asians bring?
New pussy?
The “plus” that Asians bring is to re-teach us the lessons we’ve forgotten, simple things like diligence, hard-work, self-discipline, valuing knowledge and learning.
Maybe we’re determined to not re-learn.
It may be the end to White majority nations. But that will have been fully self-inflicted.
We whites threw away our best people in two egregiously idiotic world wars as if one wasn’t enough.
The US pissed away tits national treasure in a series of smaller wars and a global array of military bases that had no basis in reason and then sent its manufacturing backbone to China.
If there’s a contest for history’s biggest laughing stock, the US is a leading contender.
haha, Freudian maybe “tits” should be “its”
Tits up – dead. Jamaican beach boys call the fat White Cow Sex Tourists “milk bottles”.
Since when does Vladimir Putin or any foreign leader subject themselves to artificial deadlines imposed by Impotent Britain… — Scratchsoka
Since right about now. Pay attention. IronLady2 has spoken.
Is Theresa May aspiring to become a leader of the British Black Project?
Does she really have what it takes?
Yes.
You should do stand up janet. Or perhaps you do?
The Right Honorable Teresa May could probably fuck up bangers and mash.
Boris Johnson is the leader the British really want although Nigel Farage is the man the U.K. really needs.
Theresa May after Putin’s presentation may be undergoing something very similar to the first two of the Five Stages of the Kübler-Ross Grief model: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.
She’s very angry right now.
Sharia May
Willing to graciously accept all slurs aimed at the southern population as an explanation. Most members of the FEA in this neck of the woods vote Right. I do not mean correctly, I mean Right. Fellow travelers and dupes I am sure.
Trotsky vs Stalin
I guess that numbers of innocents slaughtered only matters in who is being slaughtered. Churchill a great statesman and Stalin a butcher?
If you live in a glass house don’t throw stones, if you can’t take blows brother don’t throw blows. Peter Tosh
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
Perhaps we should hope that the sleep is not being wiped from infinite eyes.
I just read this morning that Tillerson is out as Secretary of State and CIA head spook Pompeo is in. I think that makes the neocon takeover of the Trump Admin complete, exactly the opposite of what Trump campaigned on. This change will make war with Iran even more likely, and the saber-rattling against Russia will only grow. Hold on to your seats. The ride is going to get increasingly bumpy.
Tillerson is a globalist obsessed with destroying the Traditional West. He was in charge of taking down the Boy Scouts by allowing Gay Scoutmasters. He also very interested in queering Black Africa.
Janos,
Perhaps you know more of Tillerson than I. My only point is that he seemed to be the last person of Cabinet rank who was not a neocon. He did not like Trump’s bombast against Rocket Man, and wanted to keep the Iran Nuke deal as it was. During his confirmation hearing, he refused to call Putin a ‘Thug’ – despite goading from “Little Marco” Rubio, and he never did join the Putin is Hitler bandwagon. Pompeo has said repeatedly that Russia is our enemy.
If Tillerson is indeed in favor of gay scoutmasters and “queering Black Africa” (whatever that means?), those issues are hardly of the same magnitude, nor are they under the purview of the Sec of State.
There is no real difference between Neo-Liberalism and Neo-Conservatism. One came from the Left and the other from the right and they meet in a degraded middle – a marriage made in hell.
And actually the Neo-Cons came from the Left too as they were Jewish Trotskyites to begin with.
Tillerson seems to have private interests in Russia so he abstained on that account. But in other ways, he’s for the expansion of Americanism to all places. The triumph of Oceania.
That is bad news about his replacement. Was Tillerson also against War with Iran? If so, you may be right over all.
Score one for the Young Turks — they called this one last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDe8HVcU1lA
Not to mention, score one for the planet as well. Russia can’t afford to tap that oil itself, and Exxon can’t either because Congress continues to support sanctions by an overwhelming margin. That’s countless megatons of fossil carbon that will never be released into the atmosphere, meaning global warming will be that much less-worse.
Thanks, Congress. You’re doing the right thing, for short-sighted reasons. I’ll take it.
I don’t know Elrond, seems like you Canucks remain a bit confused on a number of fronts….
https://www.rt.com/news/421142-belgian-royals-german-flag-canada/
Diversity vs. homogeneity. We are a living experiment to see if living with diversity is possible. Diversity is critical to the Leftist globalist ideal, but it flies in the face of a basic human trait, ethnocentrism. Which way is right? The liberal track is leading the US towards dissolution as ethnocentric traits separate us. The nationalistic track, espoused by the current administration, is using patriotism as a unifying force to slow the dissolution process. It is better than war, aka Wag the Dog.
Take away the relative gentility of adulthood. Kids in school are facing these same situations in their school environments. Bullying and racial segregation are visible indications of the presence of diversity. School administrations have their hands full trying to ride herd on these tendencies. As diversity increases, problems intensify. Is the answer separate schools for each ethnic group, yeah right! By the way, is the current private and charter school trend just a way of separating kids ethnically?
JHK predicted schisms in the US due to natural resource and economic issues. I think diversity should be added onto the list. It is what the diverse groups want, anyway.
There’s no bigger bigots and racists than the racists levelling the charge of racism. Those levelling the charge of racism are, of course, those same people that pretend to abhor it and condemn it, those being privileged Caucasians living in coastal urban areas, those people in the academic and managerial and political elite, loosely classified as Progressives.
Implicit and unspoken but as obvious as the mountains and the oceans is Progressives’ view of themselves as innately superior both morally and intellectually, and the other side of the coin, everyone else’s inferiority, especially rural, flyover Caucasians.
What’s the Progressive game? It’s right in full public view, divide and conquer. Play up ethnic and racial divisions, set people against one another, encourage people to live in separate racial and linguistic silos.
Who do these Progressives serve? They serve themselves first of all. But, in order to do that, they must serve that relative handful of people who disproportionately benefit from societal division, those that take a wildly disproportionate share of wealth and income, who control that wealth and income and who are the paymasters to the Progressives. These would be the Davos people, those that control the Fortune 500. Or, to define them another way, they would be the Donor Class.
Cui bono? See above, the Davos Donor Class, but also Progressives who set themselves up as a well compensated clerisy. How do they benefit? By keeping the American people divided among themselves, by telling them that their economic and political interests conflict, the Davos Donor Class and the Progressive clerisy accrue power and wealth to themselves. Money is the objective, low wages is how they get there.
But, the clerisy and their masters err in one important respect. In encouraging class and racial and ethnic conflict, they sow the wind. Inevitably they reap the whirlwind. They think they’re all powerful. They aren’t. They think their position at the tip of the pyramid is untouchable. it isn’t. History tells us this, it provides innumerable examples. In unleashing class and societal conflict, the Davos folk and their servants WILL get swept away in it. Bye-bye and good riddance.
Dieversity, indeed.
You think like Janos the Impaler.
Die versity, spelling intentional.
No, look more closely. He thinks the races can and should be all living together and that the Elite are ruining the natural harmony. That’s crazy. The tension or “potential” for trouble is naturally there and they are simply actualizing it.
In a natural society, the Negroes wouldn’t be living cheek by jowl with us. They would have been sent out as Jefferson, Lincoln and other great Americans indicated they must be – beyond the danger of mixture. What’s happening now is Jefferson’s nightmare.
Yeah, it’s good that he’s sees what they are doing of course. But his Vision is alien to me and mine to his. He’s a Civic Nationalist not a White Nationalist.
beyond the danger of mixture. What’s happening now is Jefferson’s nightmare.
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Thats rich coming from the white man who laid up in that 14 year old Sally Hemmings gap every night and knocked her up several times.
Do as I say and not as I do.
Hot black pussy for me, but not for thee
see La Times does a cover story on anchor baby, Ishmael.
Ismael is accused of felony hate crime.
Ishmael gets 50k on go fund me.
LAT editors, managers, owners; Are you going to have Ms. Watanabe address this serious contextual omission?
Clinton said that Whites would be a minority by 2050 and the all White crown at Portland State went mad with joy. Encouraged, he said it was an “experiment” and they weren’t sure how it would turn out.
Firstly, they have no right to experiment on us as we are not guinea pigs. Secondly, it’s not an experiment. They know very well how it will turn out: Brazil North. How else could it turn out. The Elite travel in helicopters from one building to the next to avoid getting kidnapped. Why on Earth would they want such a thing? I suppose it’s just a stage until they can lower the population drastically.
Government can’t do anything? How many letter have you ever lost? How about the Apollo program? Manhattan project? Winning WW1 & 2? The highest cultural levels are always a mutual effort of the public and private spheres – with the public as the senior partner.
Janos,
If the point of all this ethnic mixing is to lower the population “drastically”, that seems to be a strange way to go about it. No racial group has been as successful at keeping its numbers in check as whites. After WWII, we have indeed been TOO successful, with replacement rates down to about 1.5 children per woman, an unsustainable number that will lead to genocide all on its own, even without help from the oligarchs.
Why do the rulers spray us with Chemtrails? They breath the are, too.
Why make every White majority nation die verse?
Why? I am wary about posting answers here.
We think its a two step progrom.
First, end the White race, then depopulate.
Air, not are.
Flesh is grass: it can be cut. Here today and gone tomorrow. The Quality is the Question. A White Republic offers far too much resistance to their plans. Thus the upper middle class and lower upper are taxed the worst. These are the ones who might overthrow them.
An utterly mixed and mixed up country can offer no resistance. The Whites will be checked by the minorities and the hate crime laws and speech codes that favor them over us.
How about the Apollo program?
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The moon landings were faked. Baby boomers know this but have decided to take this lie to their graves since they’ve made a dogs meal of everything else.
Thats what makes this Elon Musk nonsense of going to mars such a joke.
“The moon landings were faked”
Thwack,
Well, then, what does that say about the Black Women who “ciphered” in support of this “fake landing”, as you describe it?
that’s just raciss…..
Thwack, if the moon landing was faked, why didn’t our space race competitors in the Soviet Union blow the whistle on the fakery and hammer it home every day of the week?
Surely they were closely watching every move NASA was making at the time.
brh
Marlin, those that think the moon landing was faked are both mentally deficient and paranoid, a dangerous combination. I put them in the same class as the flat-earthers.
Because they made a deal.
Just like the moon landings, the “cold war” was fake too.
Neither side was ever under any real threat of “mutual assured destruction”; that was just an excuse to keep ALL of the sheep in line and maintain both sides military industrial complexes.
Besides, the Soviets had a very respectable space record and the Russians still do today.
That old Soyuz is like the Energizer Bunny, reliable, dependable…
NASA?
they get hurt in practice.
The Space Shuttle was unnecessary and a complete waste of money; as was that Soviet “Buran” nonsense; just a bunch of people on both sides lining their pockets and employing the educated proles.
Think “Midnight Basketball” for white people.
To sum up, the reason the Soviets failed to land a man on the moon is because they were actually trying to REALLY do it.
The U.S put on a dog and pony show of golf clubs and moon buggies… because its easy to lie to people when you are telling them something they want to hear.
BTW, the whole “Hidden Figures” thing is an attempt to get black people on board with the fraud by giving us some “skin in the game” by highlighting some black contribution…
They really needed to do that because lots of black people were calling it fake from day one; its really important for the monkey to dance for the organ grinder…
I remember being shocked one day when my mom told me my grandfather (her father) thought the moon landings were faked?
I was like “really?”
I dismissed it as the ignorance of a blue collar dock worker on the Houston ship channel born in 1910 (he had a good union job for a black man.)
But as I got older I began to realize my grandfathers skepticism was based NOT on science, but on politics; and this is an equal if not more valid tool for black people to determine when white people are lying.
Ever since slavery black people have had to come up with ways to get around the limitations on information white people imposed on us, in order to determine when they are lying.
Its so necessary most black people don’t even realize they do it.
Its like a “shifty vibe” you pick up from white people when they are trying to get you to “buy” something?
So I understand why my grandfather went to his grave calling it fake; and I kinda understand why my mother told me this without prompting when she was old.
Then in 1999 when I got on the internet I was like “Holy Shit!”
Theres a whole bunch of white people who said it was fake too!
and they got the science to back it up!
Most disappointing is NASA’s continuing feckless and clumsy responses to any serious inquiries and questions about the moon landings from anybody who dare raise the possibility it was faked
Very disappointing.
I was one of those people who thought we would have a permanent moon base by now?
The truth will eventually come out.
Marlin, those that think the moon landing was faked are both mentally deficient and paranoid, a dangerous combination. I put them in the same class as the flat-earthers.
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Baby Boomer noted.
Your statement is a bit harsh don’t you think beantownbill? Questioning everything was the rule of the day back when I was being schooled. Today, every issue that is documented by photos or videos is still called out as photoshopped at least by those that deny them. Real proof no longer exists nor were we presented enough proofs IMHO to support the idea of Moon landings. I do not know enough to be able to say if the Moon missions were real or if they were not and I never will. What I DO know is that in the entire history of mankind, no exploration efforts were ever abandoned until the place being explored was pillaged and raped to the fullest. The fact that we just “went away” after “landing” on the Moon stands out as a glaring inconsistency at least to me.
“Ever since slavery black people have had to come up with ways to get around the limitations on information white people imposed on us, in order to determine when they are lying.”
Thwack,
Hmmm, one of the ways is…the library…I did not see you there….
There is nothing like “The Internets” to re-enforce whatever pathology of the mind may be troubling you.
Excelent catch, Mr. Elrond !
3 winners: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, the Kara Sea
3 losers: Putin, Trump, Tillerson
Obama Peace prize considered a mistake;
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
Q noted that I was overly vague when I stated yesterday that Betsy is related “in some way” to one of the founders of Amway,
More details:
Her father-in-law is Richard DeVos, one of the founders of Amway. The other founder was the late Jay Van Andel.
Amway is a contraction of “American Way”. I consider that an insult to honest, hard-working Americans.
Betsy’s brother is Erik Prince, one of the founders of Blackwater/Xe/Academi, a security and mercenary company.
3 winners ha! These deals with Russia started long before Trump became President. Yeah, during the vaunted Obama administration. Remember HRC and her reset button, remember Obama and his “we will be able to work better after the election”. What exactly do you think they were talking about? I think the guy was probably right about Tillerson becoming SOS to try to get the oil exploration sanctions lifted and set up the deal. And today his prediction about Tillerson’s usefulness has come true. However, to the credit to everyone involved-
Janet, if you have read the Long Emergency, you would understand that oil availability is not a nice to have, it is mandatory. You think the Kara Sea is saved, forget it. With so many of the oil reserves of the world in decline, the USA, Europe and Russia are in a contest to see if someone can figure out how to drill the Arctic where the oil industry believes large reserves exist. TLE states that Peak oil will leave oil in the ground because it is unaffordable to drill it. That is what is happening now, can we get the oil out of the Arctic and afford to do it. My belief is that down the road as easy reserves start to run out, we will spend whatever it takes to continue acquiring oil. We really do not have any choice. 9 trillion dollars mentioned in the presentation is a drop in the bucket compared to a long winter without oil.
Walter B, In a speech shown on the news a few days ago Trump said that he didn’t blame Canadians for their getting a good deal out of NAFTA, he blamed Americans.
That’s one approach that has some validity. But IMO it’s no-holds-barred when people betray their own and ruin things for the whole country in pursuit of individual or narrow class interest.
Looks like the deep state has moved into the State Dept now officially.
A coup of sorts underway? They couldn’t get Trump on collusion so they’re going to do it the old fashioned way with pure muscle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/us/politics/trump-tillerson-pompeo.html
How Putin communicated to Trump that the newest Kinzhal missile is ready for deployment
Putin Tells a Joke About a Boy who Swaps his Father’s Navy Dagger (in Russian “Kinzhal” ) for a Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZXuRmHKSQ
Moscow time is 12 hours and 30 minutes – on December 30 the Kinzhal missile system goes on the active combat duty.
This is a complete game changer geopolitically, strategically, operationally, tactically and psychologically. It was known for some time now that Russian Navy was already deploying a revolutionary M=8 capable 3M22 Zircon anti-shipping missile. As impressive and virtually uninterceptable by any air defenses the Zircon is, the Kinzhal is simply shocking in its capabilities. This, most likely based on the famed Iskander airframe, M=10+ capable, highly maneuverable, aero-ballistic missile with a range of 2000 kilometers, carried by MiG-31BMs, just rewrote the book on naval warfare.
It made large surface fleets and combatants obsolete. No, you are not misreading it. No air-defense or anti-missile system in the world today (maybe with the exception of the upcoming S-500 specifically designed for the interception of hyper-sonic targets) is capable of doing anything about it, and, most likely, it will take decades to find the antidote. More specifically, no modern or perspective air-defense system deployed today by any NATO fleet can intercept even a single missile with such characteristics. A salvo of 5-6 such missiles guarantees the destruction of any Carrier Battle Group or any other surface group, for that matter–all this without use of nuclear munitions.
http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
You are right on! At least three powers have that capability to destroy each other. Land, sea and air! That is why proxy wars are so popular now.
I was in the Navy when the first naval surface to surface missle was introduced by the USSR. Boy, did the government respond to that fast! That missle took out a couple of British ships during the Falklands war.
If we took on China and Russia head on, anti missle defenses are woefully inadequate. That is why the Feds are afraid of NOKO as their missle technology opens a weakness in our defense. And they know it.
LOOK UPON MY WORKS YE MIGHTY. AND DESPAIR ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Seven Signs of a Falling Nation
1. The age of outburst (or pioneers).
2. The age of conquests.
3. The age of commerce.
4. The age of affluence.
5. The age of intellect.
6. The age of decadence.
7. The age of decline and collapse.
The Family Unit
Few understand that the family unit is the basic building block of every thriving society. Within the family, young minds are first taught the importance of building character, controlling one’s emotions, setting worthwhile goals, striving for excellence—or at least this should be the case, as it was generations ago.
At the start of the Roman Empire, fathers took seriously their role in properly instructing, training and educating their sons, and mothers taught their daughters as well. The example of strong and active parents daily ingrained into children the importance of obedience, deference to civic authority and respect for the laws of the land.
But as new generations came of age, the family weakened and fractured. Husbands and wives gave in to the pulls of human nature to engage in widespread adultery, inevitably leading to increasing rates of broken marriages.
Also, parents came to spoil their children, who then grew up to become lazy adults who were irreverent, disobedient to authority and had little respect for the elderly or the “old paths” of social norms and values.
Likewise, the family unit in America, Britain, Australia, Canada and other sister nations of the West is under constant assault. Broken marriages and fractured households are now the norm.
Few fathers exercise a strong hand in teaching, guiding and correcting their young, often leaving mothers to fill both parental roles.
Children are growing up pampered and catered to, never learning to accept and recover from setbacks—never being taught to “rise up before the hoary head, and honor the face of the old man” (Lev. 19:32), which is connected to fearing God—never instructed to think of others before themselves.
They live in a fantasy world in which they “must” have cellphones; they “need” their privacy; they “have rights.”
As with ancient Rome, the British and American peoples (like their forefathers, the ancient Israelites) ignore God’s counsel: “Stand you in the old ways, and see, and ask for the old paths” (Jer. 6:16).
The birthright nations of today respond the same way as did their forefathers, ancient Israel: “We will not walk therein” (same verse).
Modern parents believe they know better than their Creator, and thus ignore important biblical instruction such as, “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself brings his mother to shame” (Prov. 29:15) and “Correct your son, and he shall give you rest; yes, he shall give delight unto your soul” (vs. 17).
The result? A generation of children who oppress and rule over their parents and show no respect for their elders (Isa. 3:4-5, 12).
Education
The Roman Empire began with an educational system that emphasized developing character, morality, patriotism and social values in young lives. The goal was to develop the whole person.
But this was eventually replaced by an emphasis almost exclusively on academics, with no moral or ethical absolutes defining right and wrong.
Similarly, character development, patriotism and civic duty are seldom taught in the public schools of the West, where God and the Bible are banished, and morally unchecked “creative expression” is encouraged.
Because the modern house of Israel rejects God’s Word, the foundation of all true knowledge, God declares, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). He describes them as blind men groping around in spiritual darkness (Isa. 59:9-10).
Religion
The Romans were pagan idol worshippers who took the gods of the Greeks and gave them Roman names. Accompanying the assortment of false gods was lascivious religious rituals and customs. Temple prostitution, drunkenness and other vices that appealed to the flesh were common across the empire. Similar to the Greeks, the Romans worshipped mythological figures who freely gave in to carnal desires—deceiving, stealing, getting drunk and committing fornication, adultery, even rape!
Today, millions of Americans, Britons and others claim to worship only one deity, the God of the Bible—yet their actions scream something quite different!
The word worship means to “regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion.” Do the British and American peoples truly worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Or do their actions show they revere manmade “gods”?—celebrities who by word and example influence shallow minds to copy their irresponsible behavior. Politicians who are forgiven for reckless conduct as long they raise the banner of political correctness and “progressive” (read: permissive, radical) causes, and proudly proclaim that their personal, moral, religious or “spiritual” beliefs will never stand in the way of pleasing the masses.
Millions within America’s religious community are quick to proclaim their religious fervor. But among them are those leading hypocritical lives, speaking out against sexual immorality, yet secretly engaging in it. Among priests, preachers and other prominent religionists are child molesters, closeted homosexuals and serial adulterers.
Pagan worshippers of ancient Rome sought an endless plethora of gods—but their religious beliefs were shallow, lifeless and without true meaning. Followers were left without direction, seeking spiritual purpose but never finding it.
It is the same in modern times. The hypocrisy of religious leaders has jaded millions, and their message of a God without laws—who does not hold followers to a higher standard of conduct and thinking—a “prosperity gospel” without expectations from believers—is ultimately empty. The result is a spiritual wasteland of human ideas that may sound appealing, but are not of the Bible—and has nothing to do with the true gospel (literally “good news”) that Jesus Christ preached: the kingdom of God (Mark 1:14-15).
The religions of Rome, which encouraged and empowered the people to live a life of excess, contributed to the empire’s death. The religions of the West, especially in the U.S., are no better.
Pleasure-Seeking
The Romans were masters of extreme pleasure-seeking. They entertained themselves with gladiators (rock stars of the day) and gambled on who would live or die. They enjoyed the sight of Christians, Jews and other enemies of the state being eaten alive by wild animals shipped from exotic regions. Residents were proud of their lavish villas, imported cuisine and fine attire. They thrilled themselves with plays, bathhouses, indoor pools and drunken parties held in the honor of Bacchus, the false god of wine and sensual pleasures.
Similarly, the modern descendants of the “lost” tribes of Israel entertain themselves, with mindless “reality” television programs driven by deception and gratuitous sex. With superstar athletes who proudly show off their tattoos and pride themselves on their multi-million-dollar contracts—yet are void of prudence, judgment and character.
Economy, Government and the Military
Originally, agriculture and land ownership were Rome’s chief sources of wealth—and became the most heavily taxed. Over time, landowners who operated large farms on the backs of slaves eventually undersold smaller farmers, forcing them out of business. In addition, importing foods from both conquered lands and more easily accessible distant foreign ports also began to take its toll. Commercial trade in Rome created a massive consumer economy that focused on services rather than production and growth—just as in modern-day America and Britain.
As the Roman Empire expanded, so did the costs of operating it. Rapidly growing government bureaucracy became expensive to maintain. For instance, it took an army of officials to man and work the increasingly complicated “red tape” filing system, which faced demands from both government services and the military.
To compensate for inflation, Roman emperors in the second and third centuries produced more coins, but these were no longer made of silver and gold alloys, which had become scarce. Roman currency dwindled in value.
The citizenry strained under heavy tax burdens, as the government left no stone unturned in seeking potential revenue sources.
Today, Americans pay local, municipal, county, state and federal taxes before even receiving their paychecks, and contend with numerous consumer taxes: sales, gasoline, vehicles, property, licenses, pets, luxury items, airline flights—the list seems endless.
Taxes combined with inflation and a desire to maintain an unrealistic standard of living have driven a growing majority to live on credit and practice the materialistic principle of “live for today, forget about tomorrow.” Consumers survive paycheck to paycheck, partly due to wrong financial priorities and living beyond their means. A new car or home suddenly becomes a “necessity” based on the maximum amount of a “pre-qualified” bank loan, rather than actual needs.
British, Canadian, Australian and American consumers are strapped with debt, resulting in a staggering number of defaulted home loans and personal bankruptcies.
As in ancient Rome, strong belief in self-determination and self-reliance has been replaced with an attitude of expecting something for nothing. Government-run systems originally intended to assist those in genuine need are now considered an entitlement.
Baltimore received $1,831,768,487 ($1.8 billion) though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (stimulus) with the majority going to the poorest section of Baltimore:
Subject: Baltimore received $1,831,768,487 ($1.8 billion) though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (stimulus) with the majority going to the poorest section of Baltimore:
Baltimore received $1,831,768,487 ($1.8 billion) though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (stimulus) with the majority going to the poorest section of Baltimore:
– $467.1 million went to education
– $206.1 million to the environment
– $24 million to “family”
– $16.1 million to infrastructure
– $15.2 million to transportation
– $11.9 million to housing
– $3.1 million to job training.
It was reported the spending had created 290 jobs in the fourth quarter in 2013 (source; Recovery . gov) . That is approximately $6.3 million per job created. And the Democrat solution is to throw even more money at it?
Is the money wasted?
Randy Newman lives in Brentwood or Belaire [I forget, I think on carmeite or carmelinda in Brentwood]…he sings a song he write called ‘Baltimore.’
easy to sing about its horrors, if you live in splendor.
Money was wasted
They say there’s a State Department purge underway. As one who’s scorned the idiots embedded in that organization like an infestation of ticks I can only say it’s about fucking time.
So now the trick is replacement with people with realistic views of the world. The first thing to hope for is officials with an understanding that the present-day shape of the globe was determined by peoples and societies far older than the US.
If the various civilizational layer-cakes are on the order of ten thousand years deep, US influence represents only a light sugar dusting. As an example, there’s archeological artifacts, objects found in China eight thousand years old with markings on them that look like writing. Are American foreign officers aware of this?
Or of the interesting hypothesis that the Biblical story of Eden may have actual historical underpinnings in a place in the Zagros Mountains in Iran. Once again, it’s not all about the US. Americans are 5% of the world. If only we could start there.
Some say the Garden of Eden is in Missouri…somewhere near Independence….
Theresa May’s Ultimatum
NOT Respected Mr. Putin!
You May have poisoned your double Agent Skripal, for why poison our agent Skrypal, whom you completely voluntarily returned to us in exchange for your agents captured by us.
You May have poisoned him May be by using a nerve-paralytic agent “Novichok”, whose creator May be living now in Princeton, or maybe in London and is engaged in the struggle for the rights of the Tatar people, whom the bloody tyrant Stalin sent to Uzbekistan, where one of them, Mirzoyanov created a factory for the production of the Novichok, but after the collapse of the USSR the plant landed into the hands of the Americans, and Vil Mirzoyanov wounded up in the city of Princeton, but he was met so poorly that he moved to London and published a book about the Novichok agent, without realizing that he was a victim of Russophobia, because for the Americans all the former Soviets, except for specially bred Ukrainian, are Russians.
If you do not appreciate Tuesday March 13th as Friday the thirteenth, then at midnight we can do you such a surprise that I can not even tell you now what it May be.
And do not tell me that I first need to figure out all that Mirzoyanov – Princeton – London shit before making any threats, or I will fall to the floor and I’ll jerk my legs in the air, until you admit that you, with the collapse of the USSR, lost control over the “Novichok” agent produced in Uzbekistan, and why you refuse to admit obvious things!!
And do not count on the dismissal of Tillerson, who went even further than me in this matter. By the way, I’m not afraid even of Queen Elizabeth and fought against Brexit, and after that I called Trump bad names proudly standing in the city “City of London”, which is the capital of the Roman Empire of the German Nation and has nothing to do with Great Britain! Even the Queen can not enter there!
And who are these people with a stretcher and a shirt with long sleeves? Have you already sent your agents to the City of London?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
OK, I’m going to reverse course here and suggest that today you might be in need of a long pull on that bong after all today, Finc. And while you’re at it, what the hell, go ahead and dump the water and fill it up with your favorite grain alcohol too, if that makes you feel better.
The formerly washed up empire and the current washed up empire appear to be colluding to make a run at their former greatness now that Putin’s indicated he’s not going to tolerate their shit any longer. Perhaps we’ll be seeing if some of that recently ballyhooed nuclear hardware lives up to the hype, up close and personal? The former western “powers” seem intent on tickling the dragon.
Yeah, I re-read it. I see your point.
But it’s all bat-shit crazy.
The bottom line, it could be proved that this nerve agent was produced either in US or in UK (more likely) – since the creator of the substance lives in London (if he’s not dead already as a result of ANOTHER ‘Russian’ attack)
May is playing by the big boys rules now, such fuckups are unforgivable.
And at NYU Berkeley Cal State Mizzou Oberlin College Evergreen State College etc etc Lol BLACK STUDENTS backed up by there SINGLE BLACK MOTHERS that cannot speak proper, English are DEMANDING SEGREGATION!! Lol lol.
Ben Shapiro has a long list of colleges that the black race of students are not asking, Tucker Carlson in his nightly show nearly always runs a short segment on Colleges. He picks one then tells you all you need to to know. Case in point. As of January this year, all bathrooms at Cal State will be renamed, ready for this?????
“ HUMAN RELIEVEMENT ROOM.” I kid you not. Just think. This generation will be running America one day.
THEY ARE DEMANDING!! “Dammint!!! we want it and you will comply and give it to us or we will attack you!!!!” WE DEMAND SEGREGATION!! WE CANT STAND GOING TO SCHOOL WITH ENTITLEMENT MINDED WHITE SCUZZ!!!” Lol Lol. I agree.
“Segregation today Segregation tomorrow Segregation forever!!”
Thank you symuch Mr George Wallace!! Sooooo Correct you where.
All that energy, both financial and human, and all the suffering of busing and ruined White communities – all for nothing. Now the nappy headed ones don’t want it any more! We’re not too good for them – they’re too good for us!
Always remember how they played it: first it was by outlawing the segregation of Blacks and Whites, especially where a Black student was being denied attendance at the nearest school or entrance into an elite school he was qualified for. These odd examples had some merit. And from this victory they immediately blitzed into FORCED integration. Fights are won by a flurry of punches on a dazed or hapless victim. That’s what the Leftist Establishment did to White America. The sleeping normies didn’t see much difference between ending forced segregation and mandating forced integration. But it’s all the difference in the world.
THE LA TIMES DID A SOB STORY ON AN ANCHOR BABY WHO IS MAJORING IN SOCIOLOGY AT UC BERKELEY AND STRUGGLING WITH LIVING EXPENSES. IT TURNS OUT THAT HE WAS RECENTLY CAUGHT VANDALIZING BUILDINGS AND CARS IN OAKLAND WITH ANTIFA, ANTI-COP AND ANTI-WHITE GRAFFITI. THIS WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE. SEVERAL COMMENTERS POINTED THIS OUT AND IN FACT, THIS DOMINATED THE COMMENTS RATHER THAN THE SOB STORY. THE LA TIMES WAS FORCED TO INCLUDE THE ARREST IN THE STORY.
http://WWW.LATIMES.COM/LOCAL/EDUCATION/LA-ME-UC-BERKELEY-HOMELESS-STUDENT-20180311-HTMLSTORY.HTML
http://WWW.BERKELEYSIDE.COM/2017/07/14/UC-BERKELEY-STUDENT-ARRESTED-SUSPICION-HATE-CRIME-VANDALISM
THE SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE AND HIS SIBLINGS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FOOD STAMPS EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO FIXED ADDRESS. UNLESS HE COMMITTED FOOD STAMP FRAUD AND GOT CUT OFF.
THERE ARE OTHER ERRORS IN THIS ARTICLE. ACCORDING TO ISMAEL’S LINKEDIN PAGE, HE HAS AN ADDITIONAL PART-TIME JOB AT A TECH START-UP IN SAN FRANCISCO.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE AND HIS BROTHER ONLY TAKE HOME $1,000 PER MONTH. THEIR COMBINED FEDERAL PELL GRANTS ALONE WOULD BE $11,000 PER YEAR. THEIR TUITION IS PROBABLY FREE.
HIS TWO YOUNGER SISTERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH AT SCHOOL.
THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS ARE TRULY DEPLORABLE AND YOUNG KIDS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE THAT WAY. WHY DID HIS PARENTS ABANDON THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIS SISTERS?
WERE HIS SISTERS IN DANGER FROM OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS? I AM SORRY FOR THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS BUT THERE ARE GAPING HOLES IN THIS STORY. THE OLDER SISTER AT LEAST COULD BE WORKING A WEEKEND JOB AT MCDONALDS.
I want you to write all in green next time. You are on the Edge and men on the Edge can be used.
Seriously, I admire your indignation. It’s hard to stay angry and it’s a great virtue. Most just slide into sleepy despair.
Got Diversity? Toyota Shoves it in America’s Face With their Big Game Commercial
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(Please go to CensorTube and type the name in the search bar. Come on. You gotta work for it. No free lunch with me:) 🙂
Perhaps you missed it, and I have not had the time to call it out in the past few weeks, but Toyota has entered the fray of major multi-national corporations who have taken to the commercial airwaves to shoehorn the concept of “Got Diversity?” in American’s faces. Let’s take a quick look at their Big Game commercial.
w things…
The Rabbi who looks like the love child of Eugene Levy and John Oliver just happens to own a big ass Toyota Tundra. He owns this enormous utility vehicle despite the fact that he clearly does not fit the mold of your typical heavy-duty truck owning customer and would have little, if any, need for owning such a vehicle as a Rabbi. Interesting.
0:25 – The Rabbi refuses to drive away. Rather passive-aggressively, he waits until the Priest asks why they aren’t going anywhere until he mentions that the Priest needs to put on his seat belt.
Now, this isn’t an odd request per se, but it is interesting that as this commercial starts off, the Rabbi is shown pulling rank on the Priest.
0:28 – Wow, this is an underrated game to play with girls when you are on a date. However, I’d bet that halfway across the world, this taunting wouldn’t be met with the lighthearted reaction. Again, it is the Rabbi driver who is goofing around with the Imam, a subliminal control cue.
0:34 – Again, the Rabbi pulls rank on the Priest. After the Priest meekly asks “Can I change the music?” the Rabbi considers this for a 2-second pregnant pause before dismissing him.
The Priest further demonstrates the Rabbi’s dominance as the group’s leader by effectively rolling over and showing him his belly like a good dog. You can take the subliminal messages a bit further if you will. It is the way that the “powers that be” in media and in Government, expect White Americans to react when we are told to blindly accept forced multiculturalism.
Yes, we can ask if we can stop Diversity from being forced upon us. But when it comes down to it, our masters will say no, it is their expectation that we will simply take it and smile.
0:59 – Wide open mouths all around. Gee… where have I seen this before??? Looks like they all pre-gamed with a few cold rounds of soy milk shots. By the way, who has the most wide-opendest mouth of all? It’s the Priest!
Who’s a good boy??? Mr. Catholic Cuck is a verrrry good boy!
Which member of the “CoExist Clique” in the Big Game commercial is noticably absent in this freeze-frame? Our Buddhist Monk. More on that in a moment.
1:06 – “Let’s DO This!” from the Rabbi. It’s a common refrain from empowered/fierce/queen bee type girls and even the WhiteWater Wenchherself. It is also noteworthy that he leads them into the stadium and to their seats.
On this site, I am merely here to point out the day-to-day examples of forces that are lined up to mute the influence of the White American male. I leave that to others to point out how one group seems to have undue influence at the apex of entertainment and media.
However, I will leave you with a few parting thoughts.
If we slow down and examine the Big Game commercial, it is clear that this is an example of how multiculturalism is being overtly and subtly thrust upon White Americans at nearly every turn. This isn’t a rant about how you can’t have friends of different faiths. Some of my friends follow different spiritual paths than me.
Yet they are my friends for many reasons, their contrast in faith is not a deal-killer by any means. I didn’t bring them into my experience because of Toyota’s Big Game commercial telling me that it is my duty as a White male.
When you decide to add a friend who is markedly different from you, it should be easy and natural, not because our Corporate Overlords tell us that it must be so.
Remember the Buddhist Monk from the commercial? He was the only member of the Coexist Clique that the Rabbi didn’t mock. Toyota Motor Corporation is based in Japan, and Buddhism is a primary religion there. Well, what’dya know!
Finally, it is disconcerting that “inclusion,” “multiculturalism,” and “Got Diversity?” are only forced upon America, Canada, and much of Europe. You know, White countries. (Well, Russia is a White country too, but they give a startling lack of fucks about inclusiveness and diversity). As I mentioned, Toyota Motor Corporation is based in Japan. Ever wonder what Japan’s stand on “inclusiveness” is?
Per Wikipedia: In 2016, Japan accepted 0.3% of refugee applicants, many of whom are Muslim.
Well, that seems to be a low percentage, but at least they accepted “many” Muslim immigrants. So at least they are doing some of the heavy lifting, right? And, hey, Snopes.com says that Japan doesn’t stop Muslims from entering the country, so, they must be a very accepting, inclusive society.
Gee, I wonder how many refugees they actually took in?
Let’s find out:
People from all around the world seek asylum in Japan, but just 28 were accepted in 2016.
Hey Japan, ARE YOU SHITTING ME??? 28 refugees were accepted in 2016!!! Contrast that with the 84,000+ refugees, 38,000 of whom were Muslim who were jettisoned into the laps of a country that, even in 2018, is primarily a White country. And here, a Japanese-based company has the utter and complete fucking audacity to sell their trucks in a commercial wrapped around a concept that their country 99.7% rejects???
As White Americans wake up to the forces around them that are subliminally shoving “Got Diversity?”into their collective faces, as in the Big Game commercial, they will rebel against the very concept and begin to engage in tribalism, as so many cultures have done over the past few decades. This time, they won’t give a spinning shit who slaps the “racist” tag on them.
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Hey Japan, ARE YOU SHI–ING ME???
28 refugees were accepted in 2016!!! Contrast that with the 84,000+ refugees, 38,000 of whom were Muslim who were jettisoned into the laps of a country that, even in 2018, is primarily a White country. And here, a Japanese-based company has the utter and complete fucking audacity to sell their trucks in a commercial wrapped around a concept that their country 99.7% rejects???–from that site.
By Rosicrucian addition: 28=2+8=10=1+0=1
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. I AM MENTALLY WRITING IN ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW, BUT REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET: COLOR IS THE CRUCIFIXION OF LIGHT, WHITE LIGHT
I revere the Rising Sun. Tora, Tora, Tora, not Torah, Torah, Torah
The Jew fears the Samurai….
“White folks listen to me. If the school you send your kids to is predominantly white and then all of a sudden is picked for diversity and starts to get more and more black kids, take them out!! Take them out now!!! I’m not kidding you.
Obama is the one that created this huge division in racial hatred we see today. It had pretty well died down over the years. Wanna see who the daddy of BLM is? Obama.
He hates the white race like so many black blacks do but will use the shit out all of all white folks. White folks we are raised by single black mothers to hate you and to hurt you as bad as we can. And to lie to the cops. “. Tommy Sotomayor.
FAIR USE NIGGLY BEAR FAIR USE!=(words by that colorful Conservative Black Male CensorTube Star, Mr Tommy! TNN Sotomayor!!!) TNN=Tommy Network News. And his news channel CensorTube show always opens with these words with what he calls the most fuc-ed up music in the world.
Black rap music. He hates it. Lol. Opening Words. “BREAKING NEWS NIGGA BREAKING NEWS!”
And each video is about how dangerous and destructive the garden variety black male female is. He has 4 channels on CensorTube. And bring you real stories. Real footage. His inventory for all 4 channels stands over 300 thousand videos.
He created it or he exploited it – blowing the small fire into a conflagration?
Black and White don’t belong together. And Black genes, being the more primitive and more universal somehow, greatly dominate in any mixture with any other people. Australoid genes aren’t like this. And a cross with a White is often more White in appearance, IQ, and behavior.
All the people who left Africa are closer to each other than the Negro who stayed. Beyond that, I think they absorbed the genes of Homo Erectus, an earlier model. Thus any cross tends to revert back to the most basic traits and qualities.
And Black genes, being the more primitive and more universal somehow, greatly dominate in any mixture with any other people.
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Are you saying the Creator made a mistake with this outcome?
Maybe its the price you hafta pay to not be confused about which bathroom to use?
Human bio diversity is probably the only reason homo sapiens are still around today?
Lots of mofos came and went. You should thank every black person you see for surviving long enough in Africa to give rise to your ignorant hatin ass.
the Asgard are a dying race. Having lost the capacity
for sexual reproduction, they perpetuate themselves by transferring
their minds into successive cloned bodies. Repeated generations of
cloning has led to an irreversible degeneration of the Asgard
genome.[3] A 30,000-year-old Asgard ancestor is depicted in
“Revelations”, showing a more human-like appearance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdf1sY0dHo
Montana Man and others who may get a kick out of this, the Roman Anthem sung in Latin with English and Chinese subtitles (Jackie Chan was in the movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIPzmPWopYg
This version shows lyrics in Latin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOJ-UZSINbA
It’s actually not bad, not that it has any historical basis. I doubt any Roman music or tunes survived to the present. Maybe somebody out there knows better though.
DIFFERENCES DIFFERENCES.
(With all the talk about school Let’s look at something. Boomers 55 and older I know can vividly relate to this. )
WHO AM I INDICTING? WHAT AM I INDICTING? READ. IT SHOULD, SHOULD DAWN ON YOU PRETTY QUICKLY.
SCHOOL SHOOTINGS TODAY VERSUS THE 50s/60s. HUNTING TODAY VERSUS BACK THEN.
Why was schools run better in the 50s & 60s? Simple. Swift discipline. Out of all the schools staff and out of parents. Kids, they where not raised to be a parents best friend.
The number one thing that nobody you see on any shows, on any news stations is to chicken shit scared to address is why, how, what happened between the way The vast majority of Boomer Parents raised kids versus Boomers as parents.
Why is it when I was 12 to 18 versus 12 to 18 all across our once great Nation back then high school boys could and did drive there daddies pickups to school when dad said ok and it had either Rifles or Shotguns in the gun rack.
(If you don’t know what a Muskrat Skinner is google it. Or Safari it:). I still have mine. Daddy gave me mine at 10. Same with my brothers. Has the name of the Company and state town and the MADE IN USA Circle )
But 12 to 18 year old boys cannot today. Why is it I could carry a “Muskrat Skinner “ and so many other boys did, but boys cannot today. Ask yourself, who am I indicting. What am I indicting?
Out of all the talk about school shootings and the over all state of a horrible education, the talk circles around the weapon mostly. What no one, not one politician not one parent on any, news broadcast etc will dare talk about is what brought all this on.
To do so would jerk the rug slap out of the liberal beliefs and the “thinking class” state of mind. It would expose once and for all just how stupid how idiotic the Boomer Generation has been and how socially smug self centered self will run riot most Boomers are.
It would show why, why Boomers parents was so much better and far more firmer than Boomers parents. And show that by choosing to raise kids 180 degrees different then there parents set a course that has led right to the steps of schools and steps of parents homes today.
Kids was raised with a certain level of FEAR, out of parents. Out of adults. A HEALTHY DOSE OF FEAR CREATES A HEALTHY DOSE OF RESPECT.
We raised 4 strong strapping white Montana Farm Boys. And we raised them just like my husband and I was raised. Not as our best friend. But as our kids.
(Little bit of our Bonafides. )
And me or my wife would whoop each one swiftly. Today all are married and all work for us along with 35 full time employees running/managing our 31, 688 family farm and our multi state grain trucking arm. By that I mean we have 18 Grain Rigs that run MT ND SD WY CO.
America’s US public schools during the 50s & 60s became staffed up by men and women that came out of WW2 and the Korean War.
And these teachers principals coaching staff parents didn’t take any shit what so ever out of kids. NOT. ONE. BIT.
These male teachers principals coaching staff had no problem jacking a boy right up off the soles of his PF Flyers if he talked back, was non-compliant.
And punishment was doled out swiftly. All states up until between 1980 and 1985 paddling =corporal punishment was allowed in all states all schools. Due to the far left movement under the disguise of liberalism, states passed laws outlawing it.
Once discipline was removed from schools then the fear out of all students left and schools became unruly shit for brains battle grounds. Especially your large inner city schools.
In fact, 79.9% of all large inner city school teachers quit within the first 5 years. Data courtesy of the DEPT Of Education. Because of the violence out of black students.
And students quickly was more expelled for 3 months or the year back then. In a nut shell what this means is this. Back then kids didn’t get there collective asses kissed by school staff and by parents.
(Today 19 states only still allow it. You don’t know the names of them? Look them up. Do something different. Educate yourself.)
During this time hunting was higher percentage by 71.7% versus today. Per BLM data, 2016. (The “Acronym” does not stand for black lives matter. It stands for a large federal department. Look it up. Do something that the majority of blacks never do. Educate themselves.)
When Boomer males came of age in your “eastern seaboard states” and became fathers they didn’t take there boys hunting like there dads did them. Ergo they didn’t teach them diddly squat about firearms. Firearm safety. Firearm respect.
(Back when I went to school our principal, teachers, coaches would come to school during Hunting season with there different shotguns rifles in there gun racks.
Boys could carry a pocket knife. And if a boy pulled a knife on another he was so quickly looked down upon, ostracized, became a pariah, for doing something so dirty. He was also piled on by other boys standing around watching. He was instantly called a piece of shit. )
If you don’t know what the term eastern seaboard states mean, do your brain a big favor and look it up. Educate yourself.
And since then the White Tail Deer & Black Bear population has exploded. Fully. And folks wonder why in the nice upper class neighborhoods are over run with Deer eating up well manicured flower beds etc.
Golf Courses alone, are over run with Deer. The NE states such New Jersey Massachusetts Delaware etc are severely over run with Deer & Black Bear.
Do yourselves a big favor and look all this up. Everything I’ve posted is from present and past day references.
(Hunting in Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Nebraska, Iowa, Texas, Eastern Washington State, Central to Eastern Oregon Alaska, Northern California, Minnesota Hunting is still widely popular.)
We still hunt as a family each Deer, Elk, Black Bear & Grizzly Bear season. And by horse back. Like so many other Montana Wyoming families we have an Elk Camp/ Mule Deer Camp we still use.
It’s a place that my Grandpa picked out when he was just starting out as a young husband at 19. After going out hunting from horse back to Kill an Elk. From the place we all drop our pickups with horse trailers it’s a full days ride to get to camp. With 6 pack mules.
To help feed him and my Grandmother and my Daddy and an uncle of mine when they was little boys. They had 11 kids. My parents had 7. We had 4 boys and all my brothers sisters had from 4 to 6.
Back in the 10th grade there was a speech teacher who had a long wood pointer with a rubber tip. It was called the ‘tickler’ and hung by the blackboard. Talking in class repeatedly would earn a crack on the ass from it.
The thing is everybody knew he had it and had used it on people in the past from our first day of class. It was legendary. So legendary the teacher never had to use it the entire year I attended his class.
And you are right. Only a pussy would fight with a weapon..
Combat is different than contest. Did the community of boys protect the weak against the strong? Or did they force boys not interested in this “sport” to play?
All forcing is combat and there are no rules. I actually support the anti-bullying stuff to some extent, though I don’t trust the people pushing it or their motives.
K-D My homeroom in 8th grade Jr. High was the metal shop,right next door to woodworkin’ . All male. The shop teachers were notorious psychos. Their MO was puttin’ rabblerousers in a metal shop locker and giving it a whack with a 3 lb. sledge at random intervals. I can’t imagine how that would go over in this day and age! My 6th grade teacher was prone to jackin’ up trouble makers in the hallway! (WW2 vet and the only male teacher in the school). We didn’t have to many discipline problems needless to say.
You’re right about that discipline, MM. But don’t forget they took God out of the classroom about the same time due to that evil cunt, Madeleine Murray O’Hair(up her ass).
I saw her one time speak to a small hostile audience. I could have reached across and slapped her she was that close. Huge woman, bra-less, naturally, wearing a sack for a dress, accompanied by her equally huge hulking son.
It was very uncommon back then to encounter an out-and-out atheist, you can’t swing a cat nowadays without hitting one, but not then. She was brilliant but like a robot in her answers. It wasn’t surprising that she came to a bad end.
Me and so many millions more wish she would have met her end some years before she did.
Does Gina Haspel, the new top spook selected by Trump to run the CIA have any children and was she ever married?
Wikipedia ain’t sayin?
Anne Heche plays Patricia Campbell on NBC The Brave. Her character is completely based upon Miss Gina Haspel. And all public info pertaining to her husband if she has one or kid, kids has been completely scrubbed off the net.
In the dark and complex world of America’s elite undercover military heroes, Defense Intelligence Agency Deputy Director Patricia Campbell and her team of analysts wield the world’s most advanced surveillance technology from headquarters in D.C.
All the while, Adam Dalton and his heroic Special Ops squad of highly trained undercover specialists use their unbreakable bond and commitment to freedom to save lives of innocent people and execute missions in some of the most dangerous places in the world.
The reason I ask is in order to compare the career trajectories of unmarried childless men to unmarried childless women?
Tillerson is a good man, he just got mixed up with a bad company.
‘Don’t threaten a NUCLEAR power’ Putin REJECTS British ultimatum on Russian spy attack
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/931249/vladimir-putin-ultimatum-russia-spy-attack-nuclear-power-world-war-3-theresa-may
Everybody, take a deep breath.
Vegas Mandalay Bay Massacre story is unrevealing fast and furious
According to a bombshell report by True Pundit, the official FBI narrative about what happened on Oct. 1, 2017 that claimed the lives of 58 Trump supporters enjoying a warm evening of country music across the street from the Mandalay Bay hotel, was a lie.
Citing confidential sources of FBI insiders and high-ranking intelligence officers, the report – the first in a series – will expose how FBI agents were explicitly told:
“We are not allowed to talk about it. If we do and get caught, we get fired and probably charged criminally.”
As we reported in the weeks following the Oct 1 massacre:
1. Steven Paddock – the patsy in the FBI version of events – was assisted by others that night. This can be proved by forensic evidence.
FBI agents were specifically instructed not to interview these additional suspects.
2. Paddock was affiliated with ANTIFA – the anti-Trump group – and an ISIS-linked terror faction.
3. FBI Agent in charge of the investigation Aaron Rouse was a disciple of Andrew McCabe, the disgraced former deputy director of the FBI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esnzf3Z_cPM
If things will continue go that fast, we’ll soon know who really murdered JFK.
FBI Insiders Blow Whistle on Massive Las Vegas Cover Up; Agents Told Not to Investigate Key Evidence Including ISIS Terror Link to Mandalay Bay Massacre
https://truepundit.com/fbi-insiders-blow-whistle-massive-las-vegas-cover-agents-told-not-investigate-key-evidence-including-isis-terror-link-mandalay-bay-massacre/
58 Trump supporters–do you support Trump?
Trump’s my President! I do support him.
Trump is my president when he acts black and says things that make white peoples ears turn red.
Obama was just a Graham Cracker.
Now we got a real Black president; in yo face and zero fucks given
knee-uggah
I read it all. Do you believe it? Right now I’m shaking my head. I don’t know ???? ???? ???? What to think ? ? ? ? what to believe. My question is simple. If it’s true why would the FBI do this!
If it’s true why would the FBI do this
I wouldn’t say it was “FBI” that did that, but certain part of the FBI – its upper echelon – that has fallen under control of American Deep State = the Fourth Reich (Fourth Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation)
Fake news!!!
BTW not all victims nor attendees at the Route 91 concert were Trump supporters. This is more bullcrap put out there to further divide us!
National Geographic s FIRST jewish editor declares war on Whites and White racism, citing;
Goldberg cited one example from 1916 in which a photo depicted two Aboriginal Australian people with a caption that read:
“South Australian Blackfellows:
These savages rank lowest in intelligence of all human beings.”
and
Related: How newsrooms can stop being so white …
[should be ‘White, domkofs at NG].
Back in 1916, dredging up the past.
One writer notes Tahitians disparaging abos as ‘savages’ or ‘primitives.’
That explains a lot. I was curious when i recently read an article titled ‘National Geographic to apologize for past racism’.
brh
I think they meant all the photos of brown tits and other non white nudity they published for decades?
#METOO
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDp06MIfFoM
“South Australian Blackfellows:
These savages rank lowest in intelligence of all human beings.”
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What should be the caption under the picture of white people when they are gone?
“These nobles ranked highest in intelligence of all human beings so they slaughtered each other?
sold each other out for shekels?
Destroyed the ozone layer?
turned their women into careerist harpies with big dicks and resting bitch face?
You’re not wrong: we are very degenerate. But you don’t wish the best for us either. You and all the rest of our enemies would be outraged if we tried to improve the White Race a la eugenics. And we could use much improvement. You like us as we are – as flawed as possible and deserving of no pity.
Because you sense the greatness within us and it makes you feel inferior. You know your race has no such similar greatness. Thus you judge us according the highest standard but would condemn any attempt to become our highest selves. Utterly vicious, all the more so because you know more than the average Black thug or barbershop ignoramus philosopher.
No race has greater potential than ours. None is held back more by its primitive members. Thus none could benefit more from a combined program of positive and negative eugenics, or decreasing the birth of the low or botched and increasing the birth of the high and healthy.
Here’s another addition to the London litter problem-dead Russians.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0eed77b7-dfb6-3b18-9192-cac2d77a21d0/ss_russian-emigre-nikolai.html
After Russian meddling in the elections, one would think that sanctions at least should definitely be imposed. Here’s a take on the implications of not doing so:
https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/1/30/16951922/trump-russia-sanctions-constitutional-crisis
The group is growing: the TWATs. Trump Weary and Tired. Will Saccone go the way of Moore for Senate and Gillespie for Governor?
FYI on true pundit:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/true-pundit/
MediaBiasFactCheck:
When determining bias, there isn’t any true scientific formula that is 100% objective.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/
In other words, we’re simply pulling shit out of the ass, just like pre-election polls predicting 80% probability of Hillary’s win.
“When determining bias, there isn’t any true scientific formula that is 100% objective.”
mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/
“In other words, we’re simply pulling shit out of the ass..” Finca
No, not at all. Your statement is not a coherent follow up to MDF’s.
There may be a lot more to the story, and what the FBI is capable of is anybody’s guess, but right now it’s still the usual anonymous, confidential sources and gallimaufry of conjecture.
“BLACK STUDENTS backed up by there SINGLE BLACK MOTHERS that cannot speak proper, English…” –MontanaMan
There are four errors in the above sentence fragment. Perhaps MontanaMan should learn proper English before criticizing others.
I speak, proper english. I didn’t grow up typing. When I went to school boys learned to work. In a shop. I still work, for a living. Seeing as our family farm is 31 thousand acres and some change.
Why can’t the American school experience be like in olden days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nGSvkJjc9c
We are never going back with perhaps the exception of segregation by gender, race, and religion. Lamentably, too much progress.
Pedagogy….
Would you shoot someone trying to climb the wall attempting to escape?
Would you shoot him if you thought that you were a high school teacher trying to help him rather than actually a prison guard?
Or, would you shoot him if you knew that he thought that he was a victim trying to escape rather than just actually a student with a low IQ and/or unwillingness to learn?
Or would you shoot him because shooting people makes you feel like a Big Man, and then justify your crime ex post facto?
Or would you put a tire filled with gasoline around his neck and then set it on fire and watch him run around ablaze like a chicken?
And sell tickets, popcorn, and hotdogs…. Mop Up…..
Would you shoot the student when you catch him trying to silently squeeze off a fart as you’re patiently going over his failed test result with him after class?
ADL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDp06MIfFoM
Lamb v Saccone in PA. Looks like Lamb wins by a nose. The flaccid Saccone couldn’t win in a district that Trump won by double digits!!! What an embarrassment. These GOPers better start focusing on the message that won them the presidency — immigration — or it’s over Rover.
It’s disgusting flat out disgusting that Saccone never even led one time.
IF ANY WHITE THINKS THAT THE WHITE RACE IS NOT UNDER ATTACK IN OUR NATION OR IN EUROPE OR AFRICA AUSTRALIA CANADA ETC THEN YOU ARE A WHITE REGRESSIVE LEFTIST CUCKOLD. OR BLACK.
(Go on CensorTube and in the search bar type in PROFESSOR TO GIVE LECTURE ON THE VIOLENCE OF WHITENESS. Or type this guys channel, Tom Binnz)
I can assure anyone if any white guy or girl held a talk on any campus about the actual level of black on white violence backed up with data they would be hounded to death with the racist sticker slapped all over them.
Yet this shit for brain Regressive Leftist White Female Cuck To Blacks can hold a lying bullshit talk all based on lies and emotions only and she is welcomed with open arms!! I’m so fu—King fed up with all the shit! Thank God we live in WHITEVILLE MONTANA!!! She also says,
“Whites invented meritocracy and, “it needs its guts stomped slap to death just like whites need to be stomped slap, to, death.!!”
PROFESSOR TO GIVE LECTURE ON THE VIOLENCE OF WHITENESS.
campusrsform.og
The University of Minnesota has invited a professor dedicated to “dismantling whiteness” to speak next week on how whiteness is an “existential threat” to the United States.
Lisa Anderson-Levy believes that “teaching is a political act,” and will discuss ways to “decenter whiteness” at academic institutions
The University of Minnesota has invited a professor dedicated to “dismantling whiteness” to speak next week on how whiteness is an “existential threat” to the United States.
“The Elephant in the Room: A ‘Grown Up’ Conversation about Whiteness” will be presented by Lisa Anderson-Levy, an Anthropology professor at Beloit College whose teaching philosophy is predicated on the belief that “teaching is a political act.”
During her lecture, Anderson-Levy is slated to speak on a number of issues, including “the violence of whiteness” and how colleges and universities in the United States may be complicit in perpetuating this violence.
“This presentation explores the ubiquity and violence of whiteness and the ways in which academic institutions are poised to either reproduce or interrupt these discourses,” writes Anderson-Levy, referring to herself in the third person.
“She argues that whiteness poses an existential threat to social, political, and economic life in the U.S. and proposes that decentering whiteness is one of the most urgent social dilemmas of our time and demands our immediate attention,” the abstract adds.
Anderson-Levy will also speak on how college administrators can “decenter whiteness” at their institutions, “including in our budgets, our curricula, our disciplinary genealogies, our interactions with students, and our relationships with each other as colleagues.
Though the lecture appears geared towards college administrators, students are welcome to attend, and UNM spokeswoman Emmalynn Bauer confirmed to Campus Reform that the university is indeed sponsoring the lecture.
“The ICGC Alumni Lecture Series is an opportunity to highlight successful alumni and allow current students to engage with them,” Bauer said in a statement.
Campus Reform reached out to Anderson-Levy multiple times for comment, but did not receive a response in time for publication. In her post at nearby Beloit College, her academic interests include “feminist anthropology” and “activist anthropology.”
She is also the co-leader on a $600,000 projectto foster “diversity, inclusivity, and equity” at Beloit College, which was funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation.
MM
This ‘whiteness’ BS is becoming commonplace on campuses nowadays. Yale down the road here is the epicenter of most of it.
You seem to be letting it get to you. My advice, sit back and watch the Freak Show. Its really quite entertaining. At any rate you’re pretty safe out there in Montana.
The colleges and universities who sponsor this sort of thing are merely making themselves irrelevant, and when things get rocky they’ll begin to go insolvent, file bankruptcy, and disappear. Gone down the rathole of history.
Then the thousands of ‘Diversity Coordinators’, ‘Whiteness’ lecturers, Queer studies PHds, Black History blowhards, drag queen promoters, and all the other ignorant political scum on campus with their laughable academic diciplines can be handed shovels and told march out into the fields and start overturning some earth so we can plant beans, you worthless sonsofbitches.
On the other hand, Boers and Afrikkaners in SAfrica really are in peril. After dispossession of farms and personal property later this fall, look for genocide to begin. The question is, are they the same people who fought the British Empire to a standstill 120 years ago. They are outnumbered 10 to 1. In 2000 they were forced by law to turn in their firearms. It doesn’t look good.
brh
brh
The colleges and universities who sponsor this sort of thing are merely making themselves irrelevant, and when things get rocky they’ll begin to go insolvent, file bankruptcy, and disappear. – BRH
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Yale (and certainly not Harvard) is unlikely to go insolvent in our lifetimes. Have you ever looked at the size of their stash?
Q,
“The only true Communists today are found in Cuba, North Korea, and the Harvard Faculty Lounge…” Fred Reed (paraphrased)
There are said to be enormous hidden caches…..
Saccone couldn’t even wage an effective campaign — he couldn’t raise the bucks for an effective media blitz. The national republican committee had to prop him up the whole way. They didn’t even want him — his opponents in the primaries must have really been some sorry cucks.
The GOP is a really lousy political party. Dems put them to shame. Control of the four elements of the government and nothing but a watered down tax cut and reform happens. Now the latest election brings up a dowdy middle aged GOP guy against a sharp, younger Dem who is smart enough to be conservative in a conservative district. Ho hum! The GOP does not stand a chance this fall unless it starts to kick butt.
Agreed, lousy. A ‘savior’ came forward, a bull in a china shop who tore them a new one and they still can’t see the writing on the wall. Do they actually believe they’re going to win with their Koch bros. donor-class politics? If they do, they need to beat the bushes for a new class of donors. Set up the means for social-media crowd-funding at the grassroots level and let the message do the rest, the big fish will follow. Roy Moore would have kicked ass in Alabama despite the scandal if he had pressed the message just a little more on immigration. They’re going to have a come-to-Jesus moment in the mid-terms and then a huge re-shuffling will have to happen. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Looking up her profile this Lisa Andersen Levy won the ‘Vagina Warrior Award’ at Beloit College in 2008.
so she’s pretty formidable, a warrior. Don’t mess with her, ‘specially if you’re a paleface.
brh
Space and Time has claimed the great Stephen Hawking.
In spite of his condition, he had the courage to live, to think, and to ponder the vast, inexplicable Universe.
Among all the merits of Stephen Hawking, I would put forward in the first place his proof of the impossibility to remove the point of singularity in the past and its independence from the state of matter and uneven energy-momentum distribution.
The Universe that started from nothing in PRINCIPAL (!) differs from the universe that began with a vanishingly small, but still finite condensate. I would even say philosophically, or rather natural-philosophically different.
Well, if only because it allows you to allocate the “absolute” local time for each point of the Universe, since the “instant of creation” of the Universe is a natural clock synchronization point.
Indeed, from the true singularity it follows that the introduction of absolute time reduces to the assertion of the analogy (identity?) of physical processes at different points in the universe.
For Fermi particles this identity is trivial, since by virtue of the Pauli principle all electrons can be interpreted as one electron, rushing through all possible states and positions. Thus, one of the most important steps in the construction of Unified Field Theory – the introduction of “absolute time” – essentially depends on the physical interpretation of the relationship between bosons and Bose condensate.
Yeah, that’s pretty cool and all, but what was Hawking’s position on the darkies?
That’s all that matters here. If you can’t say anything bad about the niggers, don’t say anything at all.
The n**ger traffic is mostly generated by the bots to obfuscate the relevant discussion.
I think it all started from the OJ Simpson trial (Hillary again?)
Oz,
I was planning to respond to Finca’s over-the-top musings on Hawking, the point of singularity, etc, etc with as much sarcasm as I could muster, just to get a little laugh…but then I scrolled an inch or two and read YOUR comment, viz. “Yeah, that’s pretty cool and all, but what was Hawking’s position on the darkies?” and I laughed my ass off. Your sarcasm was so much better than anything I could have come up with.
I was planning to respond to Finca’s over-the-top musings on Hawking
Shtik, let us have it – I am dying to see a bean counter views on the Creation of the Universe!
I am dying to see a bean counter views on the Creation of the Universe! – Finca
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I don’t have anything that I’ve written on the subject of the Creation of the Universe but I have written about the End of the Universe. Unfortunately I have lost that piece which was, if I say so myself, quite poetic. It may still be somewhere in my file cabinet and I, or my offspring (when my ashes are at permanent rest in my pyramid), will one day find it.
In general it had to do with the entire mass of the universe flying outward from the point of the Big Bang for uncountable billions of years until the combined gravity of it all pulled it all back together into a tiny particle that dropped into a teaspoon, sputtered, and disappeared.
Don’t you worry about the Big Bang – it is a Big Crap Theory – fake news.
And Stephen Hawking was one of those who proved it!
He believed in dark matter though I don’t know that he ever had any himself That would be something he actually would not have know much about.
Dark Matter? Or Anti-Matter perhaps?
Seriously though, you think they are just White Men with a really good tan (as if race was just skin color). And that’s just fucking stupid.
Would you shoot the low IQ student when you catch him trying to silently squeeze off a fart as you’re patiently going over his failed test result with him after class?
Would you shoot the low IQ farting student with a hollow point exploding bullet if you thought that it would help him?
A waste of time I know for the “justice warriors” but, none-the-less: At the time of slavery in the US it was the global norm where ever/when ever it showed profit. Including, mind you, among the Black African tribes that took captives from other Black African tribes for selling to “intermediaries” (also of “color” but Muslim rather than Christian) for markets anywhere and everywhere. Thus so, should wearing African hair and clothing styles be condemned for possibly being derived from those tribes exploiting the slave economy? How about banning all the genera of so called “American music” since Jazz actually was by-product of slaves being taught Western musical cannon in order to provide entertainment for their masters? Then too, there was the class stratification among slaves based upon perceived different levels of service to the masters. Also, due to the different vernaculars between plantations due to different tribe origins — layered on top of how provincialism was very narrow –slaves on one often sneered those from others as inferior. Plus, at the time White slaves in the Middle East outnumbered Blacks in the US. And,…..due to the US being Westernized slavery here was, in general, much less harsh than elsewhere (contrary to the sentimentalized portrayal of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”.
MontanaMan my wager is that your sons respect you and maintain the family bond because you have proved yourself worthy of respect. There comes a time in each man’s life where his physical prowess equals or exceeds that of his father. The son’s respect and admiration for his father will continue grow if the father has proved himself an honorable man. With wisdom comes a deeper respect. The path of your grandfather, father and yourself have proved true.
Mr father expressed it this way, “There ain’t no free lunch”. Corners were never cut, no one was ever cheated and no end ever justified a dishonest or lazy way.
My view is that we, as a nation, have allowed lazy liars and cowards to rise to leadership roles. There are a myriad of reasons why this occured and I am reticent in placing blame. “There ain’t no free lunch” holds true and our nation, regrettably, has to pay for the lunch we have accepted.
Best wishes for your continued success,
wm
We need to all go out there and live like him and with him. He has the acreage! Camp of the Saints!
He seems to want us to live like that, in other words return America to yesteryear, but it’s not possible. There are far too many of us to live on the land like that now. Not enough good land or perhaps enough land of any kind for even the Whites. It does sound great though….
About twenty-five years ago, in the church where I used to go there was an icon painting workshop and where a Russian icon painter who had come to America illegally on foot and arrived in Canada on a kayak got adopted.
He was a big man, I must say, a real Russian Bogatyr, and not a bad icon painter.
But beer he used to drink nevertheless, a couple of bottles a week, or even a month. And the owner of the workshop asked him to leave, because he believed that beer and icon painting are two things that are not appropriate. Although he forgave sins of his father, also an icon painter, compared to which two bottles of beer a week is in my opinion was nothing.
But who am I to judge others’ sins?
In short, we became friends with this beer lover and I lent him a hundred dollars for the journey and he went to Jordanville, New York to the ROCA. There he was received with open arms and even paid good money for the icons. He brought me a hundred dollars somewhere in a couple of months, all so important of himself, just a bishop.
Which did not stop us from going to the pub for a few ones.
And a month later he met me on the subway when I went to church, and it was clear that he was waiting for me for a long time. I was still surprised why in the subway, and not in the church. In short, he asked me to lend more money and we went to the ATM instead of the church, and then to my lady friend, for some bourbon.
Then he made square eyes and said:
– Finca, he has in his office a two-meter icon of Hitler, and he asked me to paint an icon from a photograph of Lanz von Liebenfels. In short, I punched him in the face, and burned the icon. I need to run away.
I did not even know who Lanz von Liebenfels was, but when he explained it, I remembered the name. My lady friend, who immediately fell for him, took the poor fellow to the Canadian border, and when I went to church, there was already a police.
He did burn this icon, but that was not the charge. The whole cabinet in which this icon hung was burnt, and the cabinet’s owner had grave bodily injuries.
After that I stopped going to the Synod and for a long time my fists clenched, when the synods came around.
It is fascinating to see how Nazi connections all of a sudden started proliferating the American Conspiracy space, including rumors that Angela Merkel is a Hitler’s daughter – which I find sort of ridiculous, but nevertheless she is definitely Hitler’s spiritual heir, and so the European Union is the reincarnation of the Third Reich – Reich the Fourth.
It is definitely an organized psyop operation, but probably this time organized by the secretive Trump’s PR center, preparing public opinion to some serious revelations.
I am waiting to see Trump declassifies the remaining JFK files, which may show Nazi connections in JFK assassination – in particular ODESSA – Organisation der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, meaning: Organization of Former SS Members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA
In particular, the connection of ISIS to the Middle-Eastern ODESSA.
Vile slander. Hitler would never have turned Europe or Germany over to the Muslims. You are one with the Neo Conned Zio Christian Cucks who think Hitler was taking orders from the Mufti.
Thousands of Germans languish in prison because of the thought crime of National Socialism or for just speaking out against the Muslim invasion. Shame on you.
We’ll talk about that but only after you finally figure out the difference between the Nazism and Fascism.
Malthuss, this “diversity” propaganda is a means to power and wealth. Nothing more.
People in the ruling class think about their own self interest and collective ruling class interests insofar as they advance their own self interest.
What I’m saying is that the so-called elite aren’t that bright. They think they can divide and rule by encouraging class and racial division and inciting conflict. What the ruling class isn’t understanding is that their ability to move the chess pieces is limited because the chess pieces have minds of their own. As such events can easily get out of the control of the ruling class.
Witness the election of Trump as exhibit A. The Deplorables went off-script and declined to vote for Hillary. Now the ruling cliques are trying to reverse the results of the election.
Exhibit B is the Brexit vote. The ruling cliques who thought it a slam dunk that the Remain side would win got a big surprise. Now, like in the US, they’re trying to reverse the Brexit win.
The “Die” part of “diversity” is a by-product. Whether White majority countries remain white majority is irrelevant to the Ruling class. What cultural shape formerly white majority countries take is also irrelevant to the rulers. What they want is money and power and nothing else matters.
Brexit has nothing to do with money or the referendum – it was a principle decision taken on the level of Her Majesty’s Privy Council.
In coming big scrimmage in Europe England will only lose, possibly up to complete destruction, if it remains a part of the Fourth Reich.
After the collapse of the USSR, the Red Project – which was headed by Roosevelt during the WWII – went underground and the Western Super-Civilization turned out to be a two-legged stool. The Western Black Project seized the White by the throat; Europe surrendered without a fight as in 1940 and Western Civilization began to fall into ISIS, controlled chaos and the global economic crisis.
In general, a complete geopolitical catastrophe, but here the Western Red project unexpectedly surfaced in the US in the person of Steve Bannon and Donald Trump, and the White Project, led by the British monarchy leading heavy rearguard battles on the British Isles, perked up and immediately counterattacked, writing on their banners a single word Brexit.
The spearhead of this attack was the BBC film “World War Three: Inside the War Room,” in which the members of the Privy Council of Her Majesty played themselves, obeying the logic of the Black project, and over the heads of bourgeois institutions captured by the Blacks, warned the British people (in particular the working class) that this logic very quickly lead to a nuclear war in which Britain will be destroyed.
And the main result of this attack was Brexit, since the logic of the Black Project is NATO, and in the most extreme form – the membership of Great Britain in the European Union.
‘A sea of people everywhere’: Students walk out to demand change
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/us/national-school-walkout-gun-violence-protests/index.html
“(CNN) — Across the East Coast, waves of students marched out of class Wednesday morning to demand stricter gun laws and an end to school massacres.
“The National School Walkout started at 10 a.m. ET and will continue across the country at 10 a.m. in each time zone. The protest was sparked by last month’s school massacre in Parkland, Florida, and fueled by years of anger about what many say are inadequate gun laws.
“Those participating have three main demands for Congress:
“– Ban assault weapons;
“– Require universal background checks before gun sales;
“– Pass a gun violence restraining order law that would allow courts to disarm people who display warning signs of violent behavior.
“Students planned to stay outside for 17 minutes — one minute for each of the 17 people killed at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School exactly one month ago.
“Students at Stoneman Douglas said they were overwhelmed by the nationwide support.
“There’s a ‘sea of people everywhere. You can barely see the ground,’ Stoneman Douglas student Sam Zeif said. ‘It really shows us we’re not alone.'”
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In the face of unchecked violence against young people across the United States, the young people are speaking up for themselves and in their own names. Don’t put weapons of war in civilian hands; require universal background checks; allow courts to disarm people who display warning signs. Considering how the bodies continue to pile up, these are hardly nebulous demands nor unreasonable ones; much less are they a sign of creeping tyranny. Though I have no doubt there are those who will paint them that way anyway, dismissing the lives of children in the name of their pet theories.
Trying arranging a new Children’s Crusade against a Second Amendment, aren’t you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade
Repealing a bad law out of respect for human life is a far worthier cause than conquering Jerusalem in the name of religious fanaticism, in my view.
But you’re full of it to claim that I want America’s children placed in the line of fire. They’re already endangered, thanks to the gun culture. The point is to get them out of harm’s way.
Elrond,
Advice on Gun Control from children…there is nothing I can think of as having less value.
I do not doubt that these same ignorant teens could give you their perspective on investing in Bitcoin, or how to download dick-pics on the Dark Net. My contempt for their actions cannot be sounded…it is bottomless.
They are the “Useful Idiots” in real time….
A gift for your grandkids, elysianfield?
Elrond,
Makes no difference…they are as ignorant at that age as the rest of the demographic.
My response to your post is this:
1. The foundation of law in the United States is written in the Constitution. That comes first when considering any sort of legislation.
Ignoring the Constitution means that the law has no meaning.
2. The founders realized that times change, and included provisions in the Constitution for creating a process to change it, albeit not easily.
3. If the people are against any part of the Constitution, then they should utilize the process to change it – we’re talking the 2nd amendment here specifically.
4. The thousands of restrictive gun laws on the books in the US are therefore all illegal and should be erased – that is, until legal changes to the 2nd are made.
5. I’m not advocating one way or another for gun restrictions, I’m just saying that the law must be officially recognized. Whether or not gun laws should be incorporated is the subject for another post.
6. The Constitution is being ignored in many other areas, including, but not limited to bankers’ illegal actions, congressional corruption, medical monopolies, and illegal trade practices by large corporations.
7. Because of #6, America has become a lawless nation, which is the source of many of our societal problems today.
What is meant by arms?
Every America has a right to grenades, surface to air missiles, RPG’s, C4!
Bulls..t!
Freedom of press, assembly and speech have limitations as does the second amendment
Weapons of war like assault rifles have no place in a civilized society.
Funny how the militia part of the 2nd Ammendment is now ignored or overlooked by the NRA.
The Constituition is like the Bible. Everybody interprets it differently and then tells everyone else that they are wrong.
BTW, the Supreme, the official interpreter of the Constituition, already ruled that local, state and the federal government can enact gun regulations without denying anyone their rights.
In my opinion, the Second Amendment is a Constitutional Remedy given to the American people in case if the power in the country is overtaken by an unelected usurper – the Deep State, for example, to create a well organized and well armed Militia to resist such usurper.
In my opinion, the Second Amendment is a historical curiosity. No other polity or constitutional system has ever had anything like it. Since the Bill of Rights was passed, lots and lots of other countries have written, amended, updated and replaced their constitutions, so there should be plenty to choose from who could have profited from the American example — except there just aren’t any.
The gun culture likes to claim that the second amendment protects against tyranny, and you seem to have swallowed their claim whole. There is an element of truth in that claim, as follows. When the Bill of Rights was passed in 1789, the memory of America’s recent, successful revolution was fresh in people’s minds. It’s not surprising, then, that the new rulers had in mind to protect against a return of the external tyranny of the then-rising imperial power of Britain. But that’s external tyranny. The internal tyranny of the time, which was real, wasn’t something the second amendment was meant to defend against, but something it was meant to enable.
At the end of the eighteenth century, the land occupied by the present-day United States was primarily a wilderness occupied by hunter-gatherers, to whom the U.S. was hostile, and whom it would go on to conquer by violence and treachery over the next century or so. The U.S. was also host to a slave population who were likewise kept in servitude by the pervasive threat and use of violence, especially in the Walter Scott-tinged patriarchy of the Old South. In short, a lot of killing and coercion would be called for before the enterprise of colonizing and settling most of the continent was complete, and it was deemed expedient for as many hands as possible to be turned to this work. Those hands would need to be filled with the tools necessary for the sanguinary task.
Today, the frontier has long since been conquered; and the slaves, thank god, have long since been freed. More than four out of five Americans now live in cities, or at any rate suburbs. Yet the settler-colonial mentality is tenacious — especially when fed on paranoia and lies from an extremist gun culture and its well-fed pet lobby, the NRA.
Meanwhile, the idea that a government equipped with modern-day armaments could be overthrown by a self-selected ‘militia’ (i.e. a paramilitary guerrilla movement) is delusional. Such a paramilitary is far more likely to destroy the social fabric, and plunge the country into chaos reminiscent of innumerable examples, e.g. in Latin America. They would become a tyranny themselves, and an extremely virulent one the more they were self-selected and accepting no consensus but their own.
Its really not about blacks or Indians.
The 2nd amendment was included because white men don’t trust white men; indeed, the entire constitution is a document designed to organize white men in a manner to help them trust each other.
The Revolutionary War, the French and Indian War, the War of 1812, the Civil war… in every case it was white men fighting white men (with one side or the other getting non white people to help them)
If I had to sum it all up I would say being white and male is NOT and has NOT ever been a good enough qualification to guarantee against being treated like a nigger by other white males.
The white man is no different from any other man; you must give him pause to think, otherwise there is nothing he won’t try to do to you.
There’s a quote attributed to the robber baron Jay Gould: “I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.” Whiteness as we know it today was invented with a similar goal in mind. By fostering one form of solidarity among downtrodden people, based on having pale skin, another form of solidarity (one far worse from the point of view of the wealthy and privileged in society), that might have included their dark-skinned neighbours, was staved off.
“Q: Here’s exactly what you say: ‘White supremacy does not contradict American democracy — it birthed it, nurtured it, and financed it. That is our heritage.’ What is white supremacy?
“A: It is a system that is really old in this country, which holds that a certain group of people who hail – you know, with a certain ancestry, could always be assured that they would not sink to a certain level. And that level is the level occupied by black people.
“And so, the language of what white means, adjusts over time. It doesn’t mean a static thing called white. You know, at one point Irish people did not fit into that, at one point Italian people didn’t fit into that, at one point Jewish people did not fit into that; and now they do. You know, and we’ve changed and we’ve adjusted. The only people who have never fit into that are African Americans.” (Source.)
Coates was channeling James Baldwin, who knew the score perfectly well: “What white people have to do is try to find out in their hearts why it was necessary for them to have a nigger in the first place. Because I am not a nigger. I’m a man. If I’m not the nigger here, and if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you have to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that. Whether or not it is able to ask that question.”
RPGs and SAMS didn’t exist when the Constitution was written. A nuclear bomb wasn’t either and no one’s saying that nukes are covered by the 2nd amendment.
I would be careful when speaking of generalities. When you say “everybody” interprets the Constitution differently, how would you know everyone interprets it differently? Did you talk to everyone (sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves – I consider this using logic inaccurately)?
Also, please give me a citation on the Supreme Court’s ruling that government can enact gun laws. I wasn’t aware of it. Even so, the SC isn’t infallible – look at their ruling on Citizen’s United.
Was there always a . at the end of your name?
In the landmark “ District of Columbia vs Heller” (2008) decision, the Supreme decided that the 2nd Ammendment protected the right of the citizen to have guns but also stated that 2nd Ammendment rights weren’t unlimited. This made it constitutional for local and state governments, as well as the federal government, to enact gun control regulations and restrictions. In addition, the Court supported the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Assault rifles with large clips are dangerous and unusual weapons and can be outlawed.
The NRA believes there should be no limitations to the 2nd Ammendment, which I think is a radical position in opposition the moresof a civilized society. Pandora’s Box has already been opened with a million AR15,s sold each year. No laws or bans are going to fix anything now. I am from a hunting family and am an ex-NRA member, who believes every America has a right to firearms for hunting and protection, but not to weapons of war.
Elrond and his Kin are now doing to High Schools what they did to Colleges decades ago. Radicalizing them and making them a political force. They’ve already ruined them academically.
So High Schools will have to be closed too – just like the Universities. It’s all coming undone and accelerating. It’s good in way: the terrible grey time of uncertainty and deception is over. Now the sides are clear – at least if you know who you are and what you believe.
Lower the voting age to 16 too, right Elrond? Or maybe 14?
Jim, please get a clue about institutional racism. I’m such a fan of your evisceration of our built environment, and I agree with and appreciate his warnings about peak oil, but on racism, you’re just another clueless white man. I say this as a white man. You can do much, much better if you will only apply your intelligence to the study of what hundreds of years of racist policies have done in this country. Whites have 14x the median family wealth of Blacks. How do you explain this? Do “absent fathers” happen in a vacuum — you sure seem to think so. Please dig in and actually try. You can start with this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
How do you explain the fact that Blacks of West African descent hold all the sprinting records? And Blacks of East African descent all the long distance records?
The races are different and they’re better runners. Would you put weights on their feet to give White Men a chance? No, right?
So don’t hobble us either. We’re smarter and work harder. Much smarter just as they much better runners.
How do you explain the fact of Daphne Schippers AKA “white chocolate?”
Should she be hung from a tree and then dissected to reveal the extra bone in her foot too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUrURMBRJgU
Janos, I’m talking about access to opportunities and resources, not about physical differences such as running ability. If you read the Coates piece, you will see that blacks have been systematically blocked out of opportunities available to to whites — since the founding of this country. Whites were given land, blacks were enslaved; whites were given New Deal opportunities and GI Bill while blacks were blocked; whites can live where we want, blacks got redlined; whites and blacks have similar drug use rates, but black (men) are targeted for search and jailed at much higher rates. You and Jim look at the results of hundreds of years of systematic institutional racism and think you can conclude that whites “are smarter and work harder.” Your conclusion is complete rubbish because it ignores all the historical realities that resulted in median black wealth being 14x less than median white wealth. So, you can continue to make inaccurate, racist conclusions, or you can actually begin to investigate reality and learn about how we whites have had advantages all along that have made our lives easier. Your choice: get defensive or get educated. 52% of whites think we are “as oppressed” as blacks — we really need to start getting educated about racism: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qbxzpv/white-people-told-me-why-they-feel-they-oppressed-456
Blacks have already gotten their reparations in the form of endless welfare and welfare type campaigns. That it hasn’t helped many of them is a sad commentary on them. Rodney King got a three million dollar settlement. Pretty good wages for a few smacks. It was gone in two years. And he never stopped driving high and drunk and endangering the lives of others.
The Truck driver the rioting Black almost beat to death on live TV – how much did he get? Why don’t you care about him, hmm?
“The Truck driver ”
Reginald Denny.
did he get any $?
Money? From whom? The perp was killed less than a year later committing some outrage. Denny did, however, go on the talk show circuit…probably paid a pittance.
I assume he was self employed and had some work insurance.
The perpetrator, I thought that it was a mob.
I saw a book once, written by a journalist who was born almost 100 years ago.
He was in Los Angeles during the 1960s riots and went to report.
He remembers being nearly killed by Blacks but rationalized their egregious behavior and forgave them.
Denny also forgave, yes?
shrbri,
After reading the article by Ta-Nehisi Coates you link to in the Atlantic, one thing becomes mind-numbingly clear:
This author HATES White people with a white-hot passion. Every single, literally every single, misfortune Black people have suffered in this country has come at the hands of Whites. In fact, there has been NOTHING absolutely nothing that has befallen Blacks since they landed on our shores that has been good which White people had a hand in.
In other words, it’s all Whitey’s fault.
You have to consider the source when reading something like this. Ta-Nehisi Coates is intelligent enough to not come right out (at least not yet) and call for the murder of Whites. He has measured the strength of the forces he wishes to summon well and judges them not strong enough at this moment to blatantly advocate what he secretly wishes. But give him time. In unguarded moments his agenda is clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhBugJdfny8
He of the ridiculous name moved to Paris [to get away from YT —-whitey?].
According to Wikipedia, his first name is “derived from an Ancient Egyptian language name for Nubia”.
Somehow, I suspect your motives in making fun of the name “Ta-Nehisi”. If instead the subject were somebody named Reinhold Bloodsoil von Poodlethorpe III, with skin colour and opinions to match, would you be fur ‘im or agin ‘im?
The more devoted one is to the legacy of racial injustice on which the United States was founded, the more likely one is to feel threatened when an articulate black man speaks up about it and what that means for us today.
It’s not a convenient time for me to watch the video. So, I’m just going to guess that whatever Tucker Carlson refers to as “race-baiting” by Ta-Nehisi Coates is nothing more than Coates calling out something or other Carlson doesn’t want called out. It hits too close to home, and if Carlson were to admit that there’s any justice in Coates’ critique, that would threaten Carlson’s self-image. We all want to be good people and think our world view is compatible with the good of all people. Most people will do anything to avoid admitting they’ve been wrong about something they feel passionately about.
As for the idea that Ta-Nehisi Coates “HATES White people with a white-hot passion”, this is simply not true. It’s not true, simple as that. Ta-Nehisi Coates is not a hatemonger, full stop. Tate, you need to examine your own motives and work out what it is that led you to read hate into what is a measured, though reasonably far-reaching and unsparing, critique of race in America.
As for the idea that Ta-Nehisi Coates “HATES White people with a white-hot passion”, this is simply not true. – Elrond
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It was perhaps two years ago that this Ta-Nehisi Coates fellow entered our common consciousness. I immediately wondered about his first name and attempted to Google up an answer as to whether that name was given to him by his parents and actually appears on his birth certificate. Or, perhaps, his birth cert says his name is something like Jerome Lawrence Coates (I made that up for purposes of making a point). My Google search was unsuccessful. I could not discover whether Ta-Nehisi is his birth name or, as I suspect, he changed his name for purposes of Black street cred and to distance himself from all things White.
This brings up a point about Black naming conventions. Get your hands on a mid-1950s Camden, NJ high school yearbook and look at the names of the black kids (they were a majority even in those days). Their first names were very similar to Whites (Tom, Dick, Harry, John). There was nary a Delonte, D’Brickashaw, or DeShawn. The process of assimilating Blacks into the common culture made a 180 around the mid-1960s.
The process of assimilating Blacks into the common culture made a 180 around the mid-1960s.
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Yes, specifically they broke the tripartite cultural convention espoused by historian E.Michael Jones that says; after 3 generations everyone in American is either Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish (or some combo of the 3)
This phenomenon is very true when you know what to look for?
Elrond Hubbard,
Ta-Nehisi Coates (TNC) is a hate-monger, that’s
clear as rain.
I urge you to watch the video. If you had watched the video you would see that Tucker Carlson calls his essay in the Atlantic barely readable. I have to disagree with Carlson on this particular point. TNC is indeed articulate and eloquent and therefore dangerous in his opinions. It’s unfortunate that he couldnt apply his considerable talents to a less ignoble purpose. He is IMO an extreme bigot yet does manage to build a good case, IF you come to the debate ignorant of all else. He does this by simply making up stuff where it suits him, distorting other material, and omitting what doesn’t support his argument, similar to Howard Zinn (who corrupted several generations of impressionable minds).
I even found myself agreeing in places with his arguments, as would any right-thinking person without having any more context to go on. I always try to see the other side of a question.
As far as reparations, haven’t there been enough reparations? How many $trillions have been spent in trying to redress the wrongs of the past ever since the Great Society spigot was turned on?
Here’s a thought experiment:
Let’s say ‘we’ came to an agreement on reparations and started doling out the money. Now remember, this is what TNC is advocating. There would be sure to be a significant minority of blacks (I can picture Mr. Coates among them), who would complain bitterly that this was an unfair agreement and that it wasn’t enough. We’d be right back where we began.
Furthermore, no matter how much was negotiated, there would always be some small minority who would say it wasn’t enough (even if the esteemed TNC initially got on board). Now, give it twenty years, thirty years when black failure became manifest once again, where would we be? A cry for MORE. It would be a never-ending cycle.
Reparations is simply a ridiculous idea and I hope you have come to your senses by now after reading my comment but if not, I will say that this is the reason I am here and on other sites, energized to combat the outright lunacy of the social justice warrior hordes.
Nerds are best ignored. El is a pitiful nerd.
Te s name is ridiculous, as we know.
El is a fool and a liar who saw an opportunity to take a swipe at me.
I didnt reply to his post [except here].
Tate, I have to say your proposed thought experiment is either an agenda-driven abuse of the word ‘experiment’, or betrays that you don’t actually understand what an experiment is or how one works. It certainly illuminates quite a bit more about your state of mind than the state of the world.
I expect you to find this incendiary, so let me explain myself clearly: An experiment probes how the world works. An experimenter stakes their expectations on the outcome. If the outcome of the experiment defies their expectations, then they change their expectations. I see nothing in your ‘thought experiment’ suggesting you have anything at stake; you’ve simply used it as a vehicle to lay out a storyline that satisfies the expectations you already have.
The story line begins with a hypothetical agreement on reparations. You then assert your opinion that a significant minority of African Americans would reject the agreement as insufficient or unfair. And an opinion is all this is. Opinions can be bolstered by evidence, but you provide none. They can be supported by arguments, but you offer none. All I see is bare assertion, and you apparently assume it would be unreasonable to object. So let’s say you get lucky and your unsupported opinion turns out to be true. To which I say, so what if a minority reject it? Who expects unanimity in this world?
From there, you assert your expectation that this minority will always be present. Again, this an expectation, not a fact. Facts come from actually seeing what happens, not from running your mouth. Seriously, dude, there’s a small minority today that maintains the earth is flat. Their numbers are few and they are stupid, and the fact that they exist hardly constitutes an argument that all of geography is useless. Yet this is a plausible analogy to your ‘thought experiment’. Your invented minority that would never accept the agreement somehow proves that the agreement itself is worthless. Flat-earthism.
Third, you assert that 20-30 years down the line, “black failure [will] become manifest again”. And you know this how? This hypothetical future, 20-30 years down the line? Prejudice is how. It’s your storyline, so you can write it any way you see fit. How can Superman run faster than a speeding bullet, be more powerful than a locomotive, and leap tall buildings at a single bound? Because he’s written that way, that’s how, and so it is with your story. It reveals not the truth, but your state of mind. Opinion, expectation, prejudice — these are all you offer, and all of them are what experiments are designed to combat.
To return to the basic point, Ta-Nehisi Coates is not a fool, any more than he’s the hatemonger you paint him as. He certainly has no realistic expectation regarding reparations. So why make the case for them? To provoke discussion and to focus attention on his critique — a structural critique — of the society he lives in. By making the case for reparations, he’s daring you — you, Tate — to put your money where your mouth is if you think ‘black failure’ was caused by black people, or imposed on them.
And as for John Daniel Davidson (yes, I have now watched the video) depicting Coates as a dangerous crypto-revolutionary — please, please, come down off the ledge. Like a lot of people, Ta-Nehisi Coates wants his society to be better than it is. He is also capable of looking at the landscape, assessing the ground that would need to be covered to get from A to B, and drawing his own conclusions about what that would actually entail. This doesn’t mean he’s endorsing violent revolution. As JHK is so fond of saying, history is tragic. So give Coates a little credit.
Elrond Hubbard,
You don’t have to lecture me about what a ‘thought experiment’ is and of the rigors of the experimental approach. Of course, I understand that this wasn’t a rigorous thought-experiment in the classic mold. No social or political hypothetical could possibly be such. Jeebus, I’m sorry I set you off on that rant. It was wasted energy if you did it on my account.
Nevertheless, my conclusion was based on hard experience, therefore it was an empirically valid one.
Some of us are living and operating in the real world, EH, others about half the time, and then there are those among us who have to piss on the electric fence to understand the reality every single time. This is an epistemological conundrum to me but I can only surmise that this was an exaggeration on the part of Will Rodgers who was merely trying to make a point. It’s probably more accurate to say that that latter group, being composed of what Taleb has called the ‘Intellectual-Yet-Idiot’ class, doesn’t have to eat their own cooking. No actual skin in the game. No actual piss on the electric fence.
I just had a thought: You should read Tom Wolfe’s classic “Mauing Mauing the Flak-Catchers”. This might wise you up to the what’s going on. But I doubt you will do this. All I can do is try.
Tate, I appreciate that you actually read Coates’s piece, that’s more than most white folks are willing to do. Your reaction is not unexpected — lots of us whites get scared or angry when we are confronted with the racism in America’s past and present: “They hate us and want to kill us!” In my view, this is why most of us whites get defensive: We don’t understand the difference between personal racism and institutional racism (Kunstler doesn’t yet get this). We assume that all racism is about individual people being blatantly racist — like KKK members — and that if we admit that racism exists, we’re admitting we’re the KKK, basically. This is a total misunderstanding of the more important kind of racism, which is institutional. Coates is pointing to *institutional racism* — the fact that blacks have been systematically blocked out of opportunities given to whites since the very beginning of this country. Did you know that blacks didn’t get the New Deal benefits of whites? Did you realize that black vets were blocked out of the GI Bill? Did you know the history of racial red-lining? These are real historic realities that have created the huge opportunity and wealth gaps between blacks and whites. Kunstler ignores all this critical historical record and blames black fathers for being irresponsible. Coates doesn’t hate us, he’s asking us to finally be honest about how much racism is built into our institutions. You can choose to just be defensive and ignore this, or you can take a hard look and notice that, hey, things have been really unfair for a long, long time in this country. What we do about it is another question, but start by seeing if you can just acknowledge the institutional racism that has been part of America since the beginning…
shrb, I’m sorry to deliver the news but many of ‘them’ do hate us and want to kill us.
https://www.amren.com/news/2018/03/sa-government-slams-australias-plan-to-fast-track-visas-for-white-farmers/
But hey, I’m okay with that. I’m not fearful so much as prudent. I’m not in the same plight as those white SA farmers. I can’t imagine what they’re going through.
All those examples of institutional racism you mentioned (and which were in TNC’s article so yes I read about them) first of all, have to be viewed in light of the author’s bias (and apparently yours as well). For example, blacks were not categorically excluded from the New Deal in the way that you imply. The exclusion was for farm workers and domestic help. There were good reasons for the exclusion at that time. Later they came under the social security umbrella. Red-lining is another example where credit was denied not because of race but because patterns were noticed that certain neighborhoods were bad credit risks. I don’t know about the GI benefits but I would guess that it was again not a matter of denying blacks qua blacks but simply that disproportionately fewer of them took advantage of GI benefits.
This is a big thing now with promoters of the ‘Institutional Racism’ trope, looking at disproportional impact and it’s why we have all these elaborate bureaucratic mechanisms of redress. Elimination of the so-called ‘School to Prison’ pipeline, for instance. Was ignoring Nikolas Cruz’s misbehavior because he was classified as a minority the reason for the Parkland school-shooting massacre?
http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-secret-debate-tip-for-gop-when-they-talk-about-racism-and-school-to-prison-remind-them-of-nikolas-cruz
Someday the madness will end.
The nogs gang raped and skewered? a 4 year old White girl.
Happens all the time in SA.
Like 70,000 times.
“Red-lining is another example where credit was denied not because of race but because patterns were noticed that certain neighborhoods were bad credit risks.”
You’re still ignoring historical context — you only go part way back. Do “bad credit risks” come out of a vacuum? No. When the millions of slaves were released, did the US provide them with a good credit baseline for generations of stolen labor? No. They got nothing, and had to attempt to build credit with institutions that had no interest in working with them, and racist people within those institutions who judged them to be “bad risks.”
Studies show that when identical resumes are submitted for jobs, but one with a black sounding name and one with a white sounding name, the white sounding name gets 50% more call backs. For the same exact resume. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/18/16307782/study-racism-jobs
You see, any conclusion you make about why blacks must be put in full historical context. That’s what Coates is trying to do. Are you just going to be defensive, or are going to try to learn?
okay, shrb, I didn’t see your response to the “red-lining” issue above dated at 3:11 so here’s my response to that:
Basically, the core of your argument is that a good credit rating is/was justified as a reparation. I’m not buying any of it.
Let blacks restore themselves to good standing and good credit on their own. No one can do it for them. It will never work out otherwise. They need the tender mercies and pearl-clutching pieties of you bleeding-hearts like a fish needs a bicycle as you like to say.
Crime stats affirm the endless attack on Whites [and all races] by Black males.
That is a very unpleasant fact.
The supposedly peaceful city I live in has Black on White attacks.
A 85 year old YT [whitey] killed by a Black.
etc.
malthuss and tate, please look at actual facts on crime in this country instead of fear-mongering. malthuss, you provide no links for your unhinged claims of “endless attacks” and “70,000 times.” I would have expected better from Kunstler fans… http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/
okay shrb, I never said anything about crime statistics in the U.S. or even S.A. Whether malthuss is correct or not is immaterial. If you’re going to address me, then do so without reference to crime statistics, which I didn’t mention. (But I wouldn’t characterize malthuss’s claims as “unhinged” by any means.)
It is interesting to see what the esteemed newspaper of record – the New York Times – has to say about the chemical agent “Novichok” which, according to Theresa May, was used in attempted murder in London of the former Russian Spy:
U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup
By JUDITH MILLER MAY 25, 1999
The United States and Uzbekistan have quietly negotiated and are expected to sign a bilateral agreement today to provide American aid in dismantling and decontaminating one of the former Soviet Union’s largest chemical weapons testing facilities, according to Defense Department and Uzbek officials.
Earlier this year, the Pentagon informed Congress that it intends to spend up to $6 million under its Cooperative Threat Reduction program to demilitarize the so-called Chemical Research Institute, in Nukus, Uzbekistan. Soviet defectors and American officials say the Nukus plant was the major research and testing site for a new class of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons called ”Novichok,” which in Russian means ”new guy.”
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/world/us-and-uzbeks-agree-on-chemical-arms-plant-cleanup.html
I guess since late 90s the Novichok nerve agent was in the hands of the “US intelligence community”.
Dark Matter? Or Anti-Matter perhaps? == Janos
There is a scientific caste, or certain scientific sect, whish pushes that concept.
And dark matter and dark energy for them have long lost its scientific significance and now just a totem of this caste, or rather the sect, and all those who insult this totem are subject to “scientific” oblivion.
I imagine their reaction to a purely theoretical statement that there is no dark matter and can not be, dark energy is a gap between Polyakov topological sectors = the very non-locality of the laws of conservation of general relativity, and the absolute zero in the Friedman’s cosmological model, to fight which the theory of a Big Bang was built, as a way to synchronize the clock of space-time quanta = the ether of Einstein and Tesla, thus overcoming the contradiction between general relativity and quantum mechanics and, most importantly, stopping the senseless murders of the Schrödinger cats.
Schrodinger’s cats are very lucky because they are both alive and dead while they are in the box.
Orthodoxy teaches that God is so Bright that He is Darkness to our Material Eyes. Thus when Seraphim of Sarov said to Motitilov, Gaze upon me and tell me what you see. He replied, I cannot you are like the Sun and my eyes ache with pain.
Seraphim then said, You can only see that because you are now in the same state.
The Black Cats in the Dark Room will only ever be found when and if they wish to be. Just so God. He cannot be found by seeking. But only those who seek will find. In other words, He decides.
Furthermore, I say Islam must be destroyed. Islam delenda est or something like that.
How many books have you touched? 20,000?
dark energy is a gap between Polyakov topological sectors = the very non-locality of the laws of conservation of general relativity, – Janos
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JESUS H. CHRIST!!!
WHAT. THE. FUCK. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT???
Yeah, too bad I didn’t say that. I can only rave about God and Politics. I’m not into the physical sciences much and have little ability therein. I like popular science show and books sometimes since I love Science Fiction.
Hawking said that he hoped there was no God. His mind was as twisted as his body. What a vicious crip!
You better hope Hawking is right, because if there is a just God, you are going to a very hot place after you die. You are very cruel to speak that way about someone just because he has a difference of opinion. And wanton cruelty is something that God does not condone.
Atheism is demonic Beans. And what he said exposed a demonic mentality.
The position of the Intellectual qua Intellectual is Agnosticism. They don’t know and they know they don’t know. Martin Gardner held that position for decades – until God revealed Himself to him. You see Gardner was not only intellectually honest, but emotionally healthy. He wanted God but couldn’t see Him. He yearned and was ultimately fulfilled. This all very far from hoping there was no God. That is a kind of existential atheism – very dark indeed. But yes, it seems he did have the intellectual integrity not to just say there was No God just because he hoped there was none.
What of you and your soul? Do you also hope for Nothingness?
No. How could I hope for nothingness when I want to survive for as long as I can? Unfortunately, I have little say in the matter.
You must carry an almost limitless amount of self-delusion. I’m reasonably intelligent, but for the life of me, I can’t figure out how you can talk spirituality and have such strong hatred of others at the same time.
In other words, we should have just let you folks and your Muslim allies wipe us out a long time ago, you know, like you tried to do in Spain? Or how bout Constantinople where the Jews opened their gate to the Turks.
Never give the Jews their own city gate. And humility before God is not the same as humility before men – especially when they are enemies.
I don’t believe in God as he is usually constructed or envisioned by the organized religions. Much of it, if not all of it is nonsense, a huge pile of mumbo jumbo created to sooth the soul and the anxiety of existence.
I do believe in spirituality and the mystery of higher things.
It can be a good thing, something quieting and fulfilling to people as they gaze into the abyss. But it can also be evil, paradoxically, almost satanic, with its bloodletting.
Einstein touches on it here:
“there is found a third level of religious experience, even if it is seldom found in a pure form. I will call it the cosmic religious sense. This is hard to make clear to those who do not experience it, since it does not involve an anthropomorphic idea of God; the individual feels the vanity of human desires and aims, and the nobility and marvelous order which are revealed in nature and in the world of thought. He feels the individual destiny as an imprisonment and seeks to experience the totality of existence as a unity full of significance. Indications of this cosmic religious sense can be found even on earlier levels of development—for example, in the Psalms of David and in the Prophets. The cosmic element is much stronger in Buddhism, as, in particular, Schopenhauer’s magnificent essays have shown us. The religious geniuses of all times have been distinguished by this cosmic religious sense, which recognizes neither dogmas nor God made in man’s image. Consequently there cannot be a church whose chief doctrines are based on the cosmic religious experience. It comes about, therefore, that we find precisely among the heretics of all ages men who were inspired by this highest religious experience; often they appeared to their contemporaries as atheists, but sometimes also as saints.”
? Albert Einstein, Religion and Science
“Religion” can get you through the night and ease the journey to the grave. Particularly by questioning the marker or stone that essentially says, THE END.
” I can’t figure out how you can talk spirituality and have such strong hatred of others at the same time.”
Bill,
Can there then be no hatred of evil? Are there no evil men? Are there no cultures inimical to our own?
Janet might say that there are no evil cultures. Some cultures permit cannibalism…she and Elrond might suggest that cannibalism is natural, like buggery….
” I can’t figure out how you can talk spirituality and have such strong hatred of others at the same time.”
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You guys are all making the mistake of assuming racists are rational. Once you understand and accept that racism is a form or paranoid narcissism, its a lot easier to understand, and thus counter.
This fact has been one of the greatest disappointments in my life.
Buddhism is atheistic and you LOVE Buddha and his not religion.
Judaism does teach of hot hells, or does it?
And the Old Testaments God is a God of wrath.
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2006/01/30/The-Cites-are-Great-and-Walled-Up-to-Heaven-Canaanite-Fortifications-in-the-Late-Bronze-I-Period.aspx#Article
https://www.quora.com/Was-Moses-moral-to-order-3000-people-killed-for-worshipping-the-Golden-Calf
Judaism does not teach, Judaism records history. The learning is up to YOU. That means YOU learning Hebrew and YOU learning the TaNaKh. Being lazy ignorant and stupid is no excuse to being lazy ignorant and stupid, because there is no excuse to being lazy ignorant and stupid.
True story from the “Black, Jewish Dialogue” circa 1990s
Cornell West and Michael Lerner on stage during the question and answer part. These discussion always break down around the question of Jews being white.
Black man stands up, grabs the mic and says:
“What is a Jew?”
It was Cornell”s turn to answer; but surprisingly for a man who can talk for centuries at the drop of a hat, he said, “I’ll pass.”
So Michael Lerner steps up and says: “A Jew is a person who practices Judaism.”
Black man follows up with: “What is Judaism?”
Lerner responds: “Judaism is the study of what a Jew is and what a Jew isn’t.”
Judaism is:
Loving and living in Eretz Israel
Loving and living with those who love and live in Eretz Israel
Loving and living in the way of the god of Eretz Israel
This means knowing Hebrew and the TaNaKh
Jews of the diaspora are virtual Jews. There’s no excuse for it.
Are you a Jew?
Are you English?
Nice try AK, but Im not trying to define England.
If I need to find out what Judaism is, I need to find out from a Jew?
Otherwise, its just an opinion, and Janos has one of those.
Now,
ARE YOU A JEW?
“It was Cornell”s turn to answer; but surprisingly for a man who can talk for centuries at the drop of a hat, without saying anything of merit, he said, “I’ll pass.”
(sigh)
I try my best. I even gave up pork chops calamari and lobster.
You didn’t answer the question.
ARE YOU A JEW?
yes or no?
Certainly.
Just ask this guy:
https://youtu.be/ndqnxrvipUk
Or this guy:
https://youtu.be/3RNcB3f21W4
Hawking said a lot of tings, including predictions of evil asteroids and aliens – he was, like Prince Hamlet, playing the fool to avoid the persecution of above mentioned “scientific” sect.
Stephen Hawking, using the modern mathematical methods, practically proved the existence of God, by confirming the Friedman’s cosmological model.
At least, he didn’t end up in the nut house like John Nash did.
Hawking is a fraud. Modern cosmology is a fraud.
If you read Velikovsky, you’ll understand this clearly.
?Purple Dawn — Saturn Cosmology — Twilight of the gods
— ?https://youtu.be/VAOtGgSEzys
“Hawking is a fraud”
Was….
The Hawking fraud is ongoing.
https://www.amren.com/news/2018/03/pres-trump-calls-on-congress-to-block-funds-for-sanctuary-cities/
For this He was elected. For this He was born. For this He was created. Hail Drumpf!
Caesar worship was not imposed from above, but grew from below.
Christianity is Caesar worship and it was imposed from above.
Off topic:
If anyone feels a need to get in touch with Cold N. Holefield, I have confirmed that it can be done through this (CFN) blog. It is not likely he’ll respond but I know that he continues to monitor this site even though the bulk of his time and energy is devoted to his own blog, Catcher in the Lie.
A week or so ago I mentioned (with an implied laugh) that Cold, in one of his blog pieces, had said something about “hurling epitaphs” and I suggested he meant either expletives or epithets. Sure enough I see on his site today that he has corrected his original error.
Further, concerning Cold N., I can tell you with near certainty that his favorite vehicle in all the world is the Land Rover and secondarily its first cousin the Range Rover. Why do I say this? Because Cold has just published a piece titled Land Rover Losers on to which owners he absurdly espies/attributes every known personality disorder and social crime. In other words, sour grapes.
Q,
All right-thinking men realize that the Toyota Land Cruiser was by far a better rig than any that Britain produced…at least through the 70’s. I have it on good authority that Land Rover owners squat when they pee….
It was decided, on election day in PA., to announce the firing of Tillerson and Trump’s personal aide. Chalk up 500 to 1000 votes for the TWATs. (Trump Weary and Tired).
Result: Lamb “the Sham” wins. Put Trump and 20% in the dump!
SCHOOL DAZE, SCHOOL HAZE
Haze from gun smoke:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-teacher-injures-students-handgun-112531422.html
What is happening in Britain today actually repeats the plot of the fifth season of the average British thriller Strike Back Season 5 (produced, which is interesting, also in Britain), where there is also a Tatar from Russia – chemistry specialist, and the Novichok nerve agent, and, of course, the machinations of North Korean intelligence.
It looks like the screenwriter of both thriller and unfolding Theresa May’s operation against Russia are the same, up to small textual details.
Of course, such a textual coincidence of the stories, when the “tail wags the dog,” is a complete failure of the British famous special services.
The lunatic Americans are now debating whether public school teachers should be armed.
Would you shoot the low IQ, unmotivated student when you catch him trying to silently squeeze off a fart as you’re patiently going over his failed test result with him after class?
Maybe it’s time to “Push the Red Button”?
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos should visit Huffman High School, the situs of the latest “accidental” school shooting?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PhfKAR_PNY
I strongly urge all cluster fuckers to read the following. It’s about oil, Syria, geo politics, and big time players:
https://www.trunews.com/article/genie-oil-the-syria-goldman-sachs-israel-isis-connection
Why would anybody want to start a war over gas or oil when it is so much easier and cheaper to buy it?
Better question, why Theresa May feels so suicidal lately?
US Media keeps asking what Putin has on Trump; I want to ask what the Fourth Reich has on Theresa May?
The war is already on. And who would turn down potential billions?
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/is-there-really-more-oil-in-the-golan-heights-than-is-saudi-arabia/
Is Cheney ‘in’ on the spoils of oil in Syria?
At least to the extent that he’s on the Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Oil and Gas.
He’s no longer CEO of Halliburton, and I’m not sure if Halliburton is even involved.
Britain joined the European Union in order to prevent its transformation into the Fourth Reich (German Empire) by the method of diluting the Franco-German union with various Polands and Romanias.
And when it was still done, and Angela Merkel and Juncker, hoping for a Middle Eastern ODESSA led by Hillary Clinton, made a riot on the ship, the British aristocracy led by the Queen came to the conclusion that it was time to put a coup de grace to the German bull (see Mithraism).
But the British bourgeoisie, fattened by the Clinton super bowl and the collapse of the USSR, tried to block this decision, counting along with the Bastinda’s flying monkeys to profit from reformatting of the Greater Middle East after the inevitable (as they then thought) disintegration of Putin’s Russia.
And then there was this BBC film “World War Three: Inside the War Room” that provided Brexit, aka the correct vote in a referendum, which, figuratively speaking, was a booze party of Richard the Lionheart with the Yeomen of Robin Hood before the storming of the palace of Brian de Bois-Guilbert (see Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott).
Books,
THE PHOENIX PROGRAM – DOUGLAS VALENTINE
THE LORDS OF CREATION – FREDERICK LEWIS ALLEN
BLOWBACK – CHRISTOPHER SIMPSON
UNDERGROUND TO PALESTINE – I.F.STONE HIDDEN
HISTORY OF THE KOREAN WAR – I.F.STONE
DUPONT DYNASTY, BEHIND THE NYLON CURTAIN – GERARD COLBY
I can’t figure out how you can talk spirituality and have such strong hatred of others at the same time.
–Bill
I find Bills posts to be, at their worst, vitriolic.
Yeah, some of my posts are vitriolic. That’s because after almost 73 years of life I’ve becomeI very tired of stupidity and bullshit. In reality, I’m a very affable guy, believe it or not. I’ve never had any patience for faulty thinking, and my impatience has only gotten worse over the years.
And in response to another one of your posts below, I didn’t have a dot after my screen name. I had to add it after my old computer glitched, because CFN wouldn’t accept my dotless name anymore.
I’ve now used an iPad mini for the past 2 years, but the keyboard is too small for my fingers, and that is why I often post incomplete comments – I accidentally submit them before I’m done. My next tablet will be bigger. Yes, I have a desktop but I need it for work – I have a most active business (I’m too young to retire).
Bill, zoom the text box (pinch out) so that the submit comment dialogue box is out of the zoomed screen.
Duh! Why didn’t I think of that? Thank you very much!
You’re welcome, Bill.
And we can thank ?Mark Levin for this rant:
Shiff is a Shill for the Russians
— https://youtu.be/hYGD3oDIfj0
Well ladies and Germs;
The Woodpile Report provides;
In 13 out of 19 Baltimore high schools, not one kid passed minimum proficiency tests, the school system has a deficit so bad teachers are being laid off and the city says they can’t heat the schools, yet they’re going to take 3,000 school kids to DC so “their voices are heard” at a gun control rally. With lunch and a free t-shirt. Projected bill to taxpayers: $100,000.
Why Jamal cannot read….
Black kids are but cannon fodder in the war on the 2nd Amendment.
Useful Idiots.
Upscale neighborhoods with good schools and competitive students versus poor neighborhoods with sh1t schools and sugar crazed students. Go figure.
Yes, it is long past time to cull the stock.
One of the many pejoratives for black people is “spear chucker”; but white men always win the javelin throw in the olympics?
I don’t think a black has ever even won a bronze in it?
Do whites have an extra bone in their arm?
I have one in my dick- you know, a boner.
I have a theory that the Shakespeare surname originated from the French amalgam “Jacque-Pierre”.
white men always win the javelin throw in the olympics?
I don’t think a black has ever even won a bronze in it? – thwack
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Blacks don’t go in for sports where there is little or no fame and glory. Even in football where Blacks excel you will never see a Black ‘long snapper’ or ‘place kicker.’ Why? no fame and glory.
When the javelin comes up in conversation I always talk about a favorite son of Collingswood, NJ where I went to high school. The actor Michael Landon (Bonanza, Little House on the Prairie) who attended there in the mid-50s was a javelin phenom. He set a NATIONAL record at 211 ft 7 inches. He got a full scholarship to USC but failed to continue his HS exploits and dropped out in his freshman year. He was also a terrible student…graduated next to last in his HS class of more than 300. Somehow he made it in Hollywood and the rest is history. He died at age 55 of cancer. His real name is/was Eugene Orowitz (Jewish father, Irish mother).
Q, Who will in Russia? world Cup???
I know nothing about soccer but I’ll ask my son-in-law…he’s a fanatic.
Did Lesley Stahl ask Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos about “Spear Chuckers” in the classroom? I didn’t see the interview.
I think the Alt Right believers should be encouraged to compete in the Javelin Catch event.
I think that Lesley Stahl said: “Cheer Spunker”?
UK’s Mice Clusterfuck Behind the Drywall
If you try to look at the situation from the inside, that is, with “British” eyes, Occam’s razor hints at the fact that the genesis of the scandal is for the most part internal politics.
By switching public attention to the death of Skrypal, the May’s government solves several problems at once:
It slightly distracts the audience from how badly the Brexit negotiations are going on (and they are going horribly) and from the fact that Britain in fact is set for a colossal national humiliation: it will pay about 60 billion euros for the opportunity to withdraw from the EU, and then will give up all its rights, connected with the EU, while retaining a significant number of responsibilities (for example, for those “Polish plumbers”) only in order to preserve at least some kind of access to the European market.
In the UK, just now an epic scandal is raging about the fact that the British police and British authorities for many years turned a blind eye to the extensive network of pedophiles and pimps, whose victims were more than 1,000 young girls (one of them was burned alive). An explosive aspect of the problem lies in the fact that the Police turned a blind eye because of criminal’s ethnic (in the sense of “South Asian”) origin, that is, the officials did not do anything simply because of fear of being accused of “racism”. In order to switch the attention of the audience from such horror, it is not a pity to poison even 10 Skrypals.
Few people have noticed that May is very actively using this situation to “crush” the Labor leader Corbyn (who, given the big problems of the May’s government, has certain chances to become the next prime minister, if a little lucky). Against Corbyn, recently there was a throw-in about the fact that he (do not laugh!) is a Czech spy who almost worked for “communist intelligence” back in the 80’s. Now May attacks him for the fact that Corbin shields the “Putin killers” (in the sense he does not show enough hatred for Russia)
All this WWIII cooking in London is burlesque, something that is called “mice clusterfuck” in Russia. This is the Real Geopolitics:
Pennsylvania Special Election: How GOP Could Force Recount and Still Defeat Conor Lamb
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pennsylvania-special-election-gop-could-153157521.html
http://stephenlendman.org/2018/03/perilous-time-world-history-got-worse/
Looks like the empire is going to double down.
“I think the Alt Right believers should be encouraged to compete in the Javelin Catch event.” –capt
Take heart, capt. The last five candidates Trump has publicly supported at campaign rallies have all been defeated at the polls. The folks in flyover country are waking up and the RNC has a new appreciation for the word albatross. Booya, Trump!
Stumbled into this article this morning on erasing the national student debt for 44 millions Americans. Just make it all go away! Poof! magic..
http://moneytips.areavoices.com/2018/03/13/cancelling-student-loan-debt-could-boost-the-economy/
Janet – although K-Dog is sure there will be no awakening you have posted:
“The folks in flyover country are waking up….”
From the film Tora Tora – “I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.”
Perhaps you should be concerned your glib BS and that of the DNC is another “albatross”?
remember I have to look to the right to see your position
At least, he didn’t end up in the nut house like John Nash did == Finca
John Nash in 1994 received the Nobel Prize in Economics for introducing the methods of game theory.
The piquancy of the situation was that during the time of McCarthyism, it was precisely for this work, which confirmed the theory of the surplus value of Marx, that he became an outcast in MIT, and only by miracle was not fired. It is necessary to know what people who unexpectedly turned out to be the object of the attention of the commission for the investigation of anti-American activity had to go through, and Nash did indeed develop a theory that confirmed Marx!
Having thoroughly tasted the bitter bread of casual earnings, he enlisted in the RAND Corporation, where his game theory formed the basis of the Cold War strategy and encryption methods. For unclear reasons, he has not worked there for a long time and after returning from California, he continued to work at MIT, began working at Princeton and at Courant Institute in close contact with Luis Nirenberg and Peter Lax over elliptic partial differential equations
What happened next remains a mystery and my partners in the Stratigo game warned me that it is strictly forbidden to ask about this, however, as well as about the elliptic equations.
According to the legend of Sylvia Nazar, Nash’s psyche did not stand up when, having proved the theorem important for solution of the 19th Hilbert problem, he suddenly discovered that this theorem was proved by the Italian mathematician De Georgo a few months before him. The paranoid idea that he was robbed, overlapped with memories of the persecution of the times of Senator McCarthy and mixed with the scenarios of the Cold War, in the development of which he took part.
And the mathematical genius turned out in a psychiatric hospital, flying over the cuckoo’s nest.
Soon John Nash freed himself, but immediately fled to Europe and tried to renounce American citizenship and get the status of a political refugee. But after several European countries denied him and he was extradited to the US, the treatment continued and included insulin shock and psychopharmacology.
Glory to God he managed to escape lobotomy.
Janet, we agree on something.
The GOP is probably the weakest political party I have experienced. The Democrats are so superior as politicos it is incredible. This Pennsylvania election is a huge example of this statement. The GOP nominates a dowdy, middle aged , mustachioed, wish washy candidate and the Democrats put up a sharp, younger, better looking veteran. Shades of JFK.
However, and it is a big however, the pundits have pointed out that the Dem took a lot of the electorate because he supports conservative ideals. He is pro-life, wants the wall, pro tariffs, pro union, pro lower taxes, anti-Pelosi, in other words, anti Deep State. He is more populist than Trump. We will see if he maintains the intestinal fortitude amongst the wolves of the Deep State in office.
Maybe he, and the Senator from Alabama, are the vanguard of a new direction for the Democrats that will stop the insane, anti-American slide to the Left.
Louis Farrakhan, David Duke. Different color, same abhorrent message. Louie sounds as much like Goebbels and Hitler as Davie does. Louie is a blight on the Left as much as Davie is a blight on the Right. Kudos to anyone who rejects their hate messages.
But neither one is confused about which bathroom to use, so there is that?
Not that it matters or anything…
Im just sayin.
you are on a roll. keep it up.
Comment on the White House purge.
I have a feeling that we are seeing Trump changing his modus operandi, totally. His apparent tolerance of Deep State reps in his WH is coming to an end. This man told the electorate exactly what he wanted to do and they voted him in. He has waffled over the last year, trying to get along with the D.C. Crowd, and negotiating away. Except for the Tax law and some de-regulation, not much has happened. If anything, the Left is winning. So I believe the gloves are coming off and we will soon see the “real” Trump. Seems to correlate to the pending end of the Russia probes.
Comment on Russia,
Cyber sabotage and monitoring by Russia, China, and NOKO seem to be a major problem here. We have enabled this with our insistence in putting our infrastruucture, records, cars, voting records, etc. under control of some sort of a computer teamed with the cloud. Whose fault is it that the cyber thieves can shut us down, influence our elections, steal our secrets, shut down our electricity etc. National security is a joke. Between cyber space and the economic balance of trade, we are toast if another war starts. And we will have self-destructed.
So I believe the gloves are coming off and we will soon see the “real” Trump.
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uh oh?
The night of the long knives?
Who is the “Ernst Rohm” of the Republican party?
“remember I have to look to the right to see your position” –wm5135
OK. I am a centrist.
Stephen Hawking and the Black Hole of the Modern Science
The fact is that the Hawking-Penrose theorem analyze a very important question – is our Universe deterministic, that is, whether the laws of nature are arranged in such a way that absolutely complete knowledge of the present allows us to make an absolutely reliable prediction of the future and no less complete ” calculation “of the past?
And the Hawking-Penrose theorem shows that such a complete prediction of the future Universe is impossible, since our complete knowledge of the present “burns” in black holes, disappearing from our Universe forever.
Actually this happens always and everywhere, but such an exotic object as black holes allows us to prove this with the rigor of a mathematical theorem. That is, this work is a kind of mental experiment, and the true theory that is tested in this experiment are our notions of time, the law of causality and the Unity of the World.
It all boils down to the question that Abram asked himself, looking at the world and marveling at its inner unity, which he suddenly saw and understood that the world is one because it was created by one Creator. And the LORD recognized him for his righteousness, and he became Abraham.
And now the physics looks as if the Microcosm was created by one creator, and the Macrocosm by the other and any attempts to derive the properties of macro-objects as theoretically consisting of elementary particles from the properties of these elementary particles fail with a crash.
And the most interesting is that mathematically any attempts to look inside these elementary particles leads to the same equations as attempts to describe a stool as a set of such quantum objects as protons, neutrons and electrons. Sooner or later, you end up in an insurmountable gulf separating the macrocosm from the microcosm, manifested in the impossibility of solving the Schrodinger equation for hundreds of bosons or fermions, although this equation is solved elementary for any boson or fermion, or when the count of these particles goes to millions of billions.
But science does not want to admit to itself that the problems are precisely this, trying to bridge the gap across this abyss with the Shut up and calculate principle applied to all sorts of speculative concepts that it pulls out of a black (ass)hole of a mathematical apparatus called gauge invariance theory.
And only Stephen Hawking, by virtue of his intellectual honesty, rejected this approach and, despite his atheism, like biblical Abraham fought for the unity of the world.
And Orthodoxy, as the only consistent Abrahamic religion, must undoubtedly welcome these attempts, but unfortunately Orthodox theologians simply do not know about these circumstances and think that Orthodox physics is what Orthodox physicists do even if they are in science because of inertia of thinking or career considerations stand on the Gnostic positions.
And Stephen Hawking did not know anything about Orthodoxy and those disputes that 600 years ago were led by William of Ockham, Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, which resulted in the gauge invariance of science.
Mutual ignorance is the main enemy of science and Orthodoxy, and of all mankind as well.
Science’s problem is that as far back as they are trying to explain what happened, they run up against a wall. The Big Bang started from a singularity, ie 0 dimension, infinite mass. Where did that come from? And if you explain that, where did that come from? Somewhere, sometime, if time really exists, something had to go POOF! POOF is God in whatever form you want to conceive.
The Big Bang started from a singularity, ie 0 dimension, infinite mass.
The Big Bang started from a burning desire of a certain sect that wants to dominate all areas of human life, to overwrite the main postulate of all three Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam, that the Universe and all peoples that inhabits it were created by one God and out of NOTHING.
The dualistic anthropology – the existence of two kinds of human beings – perfecti and profaine – by virtue of sexually-transmitted characteristics, is from the same zoology which assumes that at the moment of creation there was some, however infinitely small, material created by someone else, other than Father of Christ.
I understand what you are saying. But quantum mechanics says that the universe came into being at the Big Bang because of a statistical fluctuation. Now I’m not sure exactly what a “statistical fluctuation” is, but from what I do understand, quantum mechanics is essentially about probability, and following the math to its conclusion, the probability that the universe can be created from nothing is very high. I know that’s mind-blowing, but QM IS mind-blowing.
Mathematically, this means there is no requirement that God created the universe. Remember, Hawking didn’t say there’s no God, just that creation can be explained without the need for one.
Now I’m not sure exactly what a “statistical fluctuation”
Don’t worry, the “scientists” do not know either.
Remember, Hawking didn’t say there’s no God, just that creation can be explained without the need for one.
It is understandable. Flying over the cuckoo’s nest wasn’t exactly Mr. Hawking favourite pastime.
“You’re very clever young man, but it’s turtles all the way down.”
The mind blower is,
Before there was something, there was nothing. God made everything from nothing. A perfect vacuum is nothing. But it is there and occupies space. Or does it? Is the absence of mass in a space, nothing? Is matter what was created by God? Or is the empty space in existence still the presence of God? No wonder contact with God is so difficult.
Another mind blower is time. According to physicists, time slows then stops nearing a black hole. Time ceases to exist. Relativity makes time a variable. Genesis says God made the heavens and earth in 6 days. How long is a day in God’s domain where time is a variable or non-existent. In God’s heaven, the apparent time from creation to now might be a split second. Or six days. Maybe day seven, the day of God’s rest, is still going on today.
Mind blowing!
Read Hindu cycles of Yugas.
Christianity also talks of ‘End Times.’
Are you saying that there’s one creator for the microcosm and another creator for the macrocosm?
No, Lord forbid.
The “Modern Physics” is trying to say it.
Black holes are now exotic? I thought every galaxy had one at its center. Anyway, how about black holes are nonexistent!
Our forefathers not many millennia ago, certainly within historic recorded memory, were witness to a new age. An age into which Venus was born, Mars gave its life force to Earth, Saturn and Jupiter discharged their brown dwarf darkness and gave way to light. An age where ELOHIM/ELHAYAM (god of the sea) fattened the heavens with the now visible stars and moon and led us out of the garden of eden.
There’s no mathematical formula for this, and never will be. Atheists are ignorant fools bamboozled by the Vatican with its Jesuit priesthood of “science” and “reality”.
Mathematics is a language of description. If you can’t and you wont see, mathematics will not help you. Neither will inventing shadows and assigning these shadows mathematical descriptors, as did the fraud Stephen Hawking.
Immanuel Velikovsky – Worlds in Collision (1964)
— https://youtu.be/JIWNqM2v8Sk
The Stephen Hawking Fraud.
Stephen Hawking was actually a group of smart white men in a van. That electronic robot voice you heard was them giving the answers to all those questions.
Stephen Hawking was an experiment is mass illusion.
It worked.
I think the next one is gonna be a little black midget
Next one? That little black midget YOU know as papa Pope. In Russian I know him as the big fat ass — Popa. Of-course, the Jesuit priesthood running your schools and universities will never teach you this. Instead, they’ll showcase to you NASA staged nazi theater while stealing trillions from US taxpayers to pay for Vatican pederast orgies on yachts anchored at Malta.
Don’t believe your lying eyes: A man without a helmet pictured fixing the rover on Mars. Courtesy of NASA pics.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925341/Life-Mars-New-NASA-photo-shows-workman-fixing-space-Rover-Red-Planet-conspiracy-theorists-claim.html
A leaked film not for public eyes shows Apollo 11 Astronauts staging the Spaceship at various distances when they were in Earth’s Orbit all along:
— https://youtu.be/yN_GDew5NyQ
In fundraising speech, Trump says he made up trade claim in meeting with Justin Trudeau
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/14/in-fundraising-speech-trump-says-he-made-up-facts-in-meeting-with-justin-trudeau/
“President Trump boasted in a fundraising speech Wednesday that he made up information in a meeting with the leader of a top U.S. ally, saying he insisted to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that the United States runs a trade deficit with its neighbor to the north without knowing whether that was true.
“‘Trudeau came to see me. He’s a good guy, Justin. He said, “No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please,” ‘ Trump said, mimicking Trudeau, according to audio of the private event in Missouri obtained by The Washington Post. ‘Nice guy, good-looking guy, comes in — “Donald, we have no trade deficit.” He’s very proud because everybody else, you know, we’re getting killed.
“‘… So, he’s proud. I said, “Wrong, Justin, you do.” I didn’t even know. … I had no idea. I just said, “You’re wrong.” You know why? Because we’re so stupid. … And I thought they were smart. I said, “You’re wrong, Justin.” He said, “Nope, we have no trade deficit.” I said, “Well, in that case, I feel differently,” I said, “but I don’t believe it.” I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said, “Check, because I can’t believe it.” …
“The Office of the United States Trade Representative says the United States has a trade surplus with Canada. It reports that in 2016, the United States exported $12.5 billion more in goods and services than it imported from Canada, leading to a trade surplus, not a deficit.”
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[Emphasis added.]
I understand why so many of you like Trump — I really do. Life is just so much easier when you’re so lacking in integrity you can pull anything you want out of your ass and dare the rest of the world to call your bullshit bullshit. Facts are dangerous things: people will use them to override your precious feelings. Best to ignore or punish people who try to use them against you.
And here’s Trump doubling down today on Twitter:
https://globalnews.ca/news/4084973/donald-trump-canada-us-trade-deficit-tweet/
Make America great again? Previously, the rest of the world’s opinion of you guys was only slowly eroding. But now it’s plummeting like a brick down a shithole, thanks to this assclown.
My guess is that Mr. Trump has grown tired of the charade of chief executive. He would prefer to be removed than resign, somehow believing that a justification for his “excellence” in all things.
I have no idea of what Mr. Trump might care for but he has made it obvious he cares not one whit for honesty or integrity. Mr. Trump and Mr. Obama as multi-plane chess strategists, geez I wish BS was money.
Of course he, Mr. Trump, has accomplished more than my wildest dreams! I am not afraid but I remain deplorable.
Elrond the world has been calling our bullshit bullshit for the longest time. WTF do you think our, USA, national security is all about? Keep em in the dark and feed em BS. Hell this site has some of the most astute commentary on the innertubes and I am able to discern your opion of quite a bit of it. It does not hurt my feelings one bit when you accurately describe the situation.
Janet a centrist, SOB gimme a drink!
wm5135,
Yessir. Smack-dab in the ‘center’ of Authoritarian Uber-Statists. (That would be the storied and hallowed, Status Quo, for the rest of us bewildered-type folk.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAYhQsQhSY
😀
SOB gimme a drink!
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/the_new_james_baldwin_speaks_white_people_suck.html
British Defense Secretary Williamson suggested that Russia “should get out and shut up” apparently suggesting that Russia simply wipes off after having spit on by the City Idiot from Downing Street 10.
Personally, I think that it’s not good thing to answer crazy people when they spit on you, but not in this case, because the statesmen of one country of NATO after another join in, clearly hinting at Article 5, which actually drove them all completely crazy.
And I am sure that Minister Lavrov will be able to find a fitting answer to both the spittle of the crazy and Williamson’s statement. If the latter hinted that Russia should not expel 23 British diplomats, then I have no doubt about how Lavrov will respond to these hints, and the form in which he expressed these wishes presupposes Mr. Williamson “to go and fuck himself,” uttered in passing, in response to a question from a journalist about how Lavrov will respond to the wishes of the Secretary of Defense of Great Britain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPxf4P-R6qQ
Despite the GEOPOLITICAL resonance, all hysteria is a mice clusterfuck and I hope that the answer to it will be in full conformity with its style and scale. But it’s actually a joke, a black humor of history, but in fact the significance of these events will be determined by a really important event that happened yesterday:
Namely, the extraordinary elections in Pennsylvania, to which the Democrats threw all that they had, in the hope of proving that Trump is losing popularity, because no one believes polls already. And all this in order to achieve a half percent advantage!
And Republicans supporting Trump seek a manual recount of votes and an investigation of “oddities” in the vote, with the desperate resistance of the leadership of the Republican Party, whom Bastinda has put to oversee her political opponents.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-considering-recount-lawsuit-after-pennsylvania-special-election/
I’m not saying that Trump as president will not support the British crazy woman – after all, no one knows how he will behave when they take his children hostage.
But I’m sure that if his children are not taken hostage, then Trump will be guided by the main national interest of the US – fighting the impending global economic crisis, which the Marxist theory, if it was still around, would undoubtedly call the crisis of overproduction of the US dollars.
And Russia in this struggle up to a certain point is undoubtedly a critical ally of the United States, since its reserves are largely denominated in the US dollars.
Didn’t Trump fire Tillerson on Twitter over that nonsense?
Calling the President a Moron would also do it to your career.
True. Nothing is by accident. Nothing is by coincidence. Especially not in this case — the timing and the humiliation over Twitter. Can we say Trump killed two birds with one tweet? (Or is it one twit with one tweet).
The Trump firing squad grows more and more circular with every passing day
lol
Trump, the one man firing squad, is aiming straight at the State Department mafia and the job Rex Tillerson refused to do. Next on the crosshairs will be another Priebus appointee, the deliberately incompetent Attorney General, Jeff Sessions.
Cavepainter,
At the time of slavery in the US it was the global norm
where ever/when ever it showed profit.
Was slavery allowed in Australia and Europe, circa 1800?
In Europe it was called serfdom
Australia was a penal colony for England. The feudal system had serfs as there was no middle class per se. Not really slavery, where one was owned, but serfs had no options. The Elite ran everything, sound familiar? The first serfs that came to the New World, were indentured servants who became freed after a contracted period of time, a form of slavery, and they were Caucasian. Slavery was everywhere. A good question to ask, is why Africans were picked to be the slave of choice for the Americas. The English in America were just part of the black slave picture in the Western Hemisphere.
A good question to ask, is why Africans were picked to be the slave of choice for the Americas.
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Indeed; and the reason why no ones really sure of the answer, despite all the documentation available is, I suspect, because it gets at the holy grail of something very, very “white?”
For example, thanks to the internet, you can find the actual documents and read the actual language for the racial laws and the dates they were passed, and the names of the white people who passed them in the state of Virginia.
But the question you asked?
Those are missing; I suspect because they are of a philosophical nature and thus not remediable by the legal language used to justify all other laws.
(but they are probably in letters held in private collections…?)
The most recent one I found was the law passed in Virginia requiring children to take the status of their non white mothers (think about why they had to do that?)
Virginia has a lot of good colonial documentation because remember; laws only get passed to stop people from doing something they are already doing?
Or to force people to do something they refuse to do voluntarily?
So although its difficult to find an answer to your question; if you go through the “back door” you may find a few clues.
When it came time for the British to end, not slavery per say, but the legal slave trade, they came smack up against your very question.
What justification could they come up with that no person could rationally challenge?
A philosophical one.
They simply defined slave trading as a form of piracy.
Is anybody “pro pirate?”
I didn’t think so.
Abraham Lincoln refused to grant clemency to this one American captain who was caught on a ship loaded with almost a thousand slaves.
He was hanged.
And the laws kept on coming because racism has many peculiar downstream effects that come up, won’t go away and amplifies even the smallest pathologies.
Have you ever heard of the “Pocahontas Exception?”
Look up the Virginia Racial Integrity act of 1924.
They had to make a “carve out” for all the wealthy powerful white people in Virginia who claimed some Pocahontas ancestry as proof of their connection to the founders.
LOL
Researched the question today
Seafaring out of Spain and Portugal started in the late 1400’s. The went around Africa to get to the Indies. They also established agricultural domains along the coast of west Africa for which they bought slaves from the African enclaves in West Africa. Slavery in Africa was widespread at the time. These early slaves were commodities traded back and forth in Africa. The need for labor increased during the movement into the Americas with the Spanish moving slaves from Africa to Latin America during the early 1500’s. Three things directed the import to the Americas of African slaves. Europeans moving to America first tried to get Native Americans to work their plantations as agriculture was the main trade. The Natives had no immunity to European diseases esp. smallpox and 90% of them died. Africans had been exposed to European diseases and were immune. The second was the logistics of moving the slaves. The winds favored the triangle trade routes from Europe to Africa across to Americas on the trade winds then back to Europe on the Westerlies. West Africa was also a lot closer to the east coast of America than other potential sources. The third is the makeup and development of West African empires. Dominant empires conquered smaller tribes and took the captives to the coast and sold them to the Atlantic traders there. The people who captured Kunte Kinte in Roots were African employed by the European traders.
So the reason Africa was picked was their superior immunity, easier logistics of transportation and ease of acquisition in Africa itself.
Another reason that native labor was rejected is that escape was easier for them as they knew the area and spoke the languages. Importing peoples from elsewhere, Africa in this case, brought in people who know nothing about the area and made escape almost impossible. This was aggravated by the Europeans by never educating the slaves, and keeping them as isolated as possible. Familiarization of the new land they were in would have made escape easier. In the 1700’s and 1800’s, freed slaves and abolitionists provided info and escape routes to the South’s slaves which allowed escape in much larger amounts.
Malaria resistant.
The Whites could not withstand the heat and diseases.
The English in America were just part of the black slave picture in the Western Hemisphere.
Like Judah Benjamin?
Neither will inventing shadows and assigning these shadows mathematical descriptors, as did the fraud Stephen Hawking == Mofo
Don’t Drive Like My Brother
Car Talk was a Peabody Award-winning radio talk show broadcast weekly on NPR stations and elsewhere. I used to listen to it all the time in the 90s while taking a long drive to work from Chicago to Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Mofo, don’t talk like Webster Tarpley, who represents the darker side of American Conspiracy Space, probably financed by the Flying Monkey organization, and who maintains that Isaac Newton was a Venetian intelligence agent in England and a cultist kook.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/how-the-dead-souls-of-venice-corrupted-science/
Ok, let me ask you a simple question about the fraud Stephen Hawking: Why did he not repudiate all the Black Holes nonsense? Why, because mathematics invented it out of nothing. Mathematics cannot prove anything, like all other language it can only describe.
– Holms, why it is always foggy in London?
– It’s trivial, Watson! That is Russians poisoning the traitors.
What is a “Cheer Spunker”? A propagandist?
let me ask you a simple question about the fraud Stephen Hawking: Why did he not repudiate all the Black Holes nonsense? == mofo
I was inspired by Stephen Hawking article in a book with yellow color called “Thermodynamics of black holes”. I read this article and suddenly realized that the author is interested not in black holes as such, but in the ability to prove with mental experiments using black holes as a model that quantum mechanics is a complete crap.
The fact is that the emission of black holes is determined by the disconnection of virtual pairs, when one half of the pair leaves our universe under the event horizon, and the second half in the form of a flying particle leaves the black hole and enters into thermal equilibrium with the rest of the universe.
In this case, the radiation of a black hole is a purely quantum effect, that is, it refers to microphysics, and the resulting radiation has a temperature and other thermodynamic potentials, including entropy, due to which they are macro events even in the photon counter mode, not worse than the Schrödinger cat, since these potentials are determined not by the process of averaging the micro events, but directly by these microevents.
And the entropy is connected with the arrow of time, and somehow I immediately understood from this work of Hawking that the time of general relativity, which possessed an information arrow due to thermodynamics and the absolutely symmetric microclimate of the Schrödinger equation, is two different times and “travels in time” should occur somewhere on boundary between macrophysics and microphysics.
But in black holes the boundary between macrophysics and microphysics is not a mysterious purely philosophical boundary between a large number of particles and a very large number of particles, but the horizon of events that separates our Universe from hell knows what!!!
Thus, according to Hawking, the above-mentioned philosophical boundary is directly connected with a very physical horizon of events, which proves once again that physics is the direct interaction of consciousness and matter, thinking and being, spirit and nature. And the principle of “shut up and calculate” is incompatible with the scientific method as such.
You didn’t answer my question.
Think about it for a sec. Think about the fraud involved, and all the years the fraud has been perpetrated. Not once was there a demand of the Vatican/Jesuit “science orthodoxy” to produce any observable proof of Black Holes. No such demands from the media, nothing from the universities, nothing from the publishing houses, nothing from the “orthodox science” priesthood. Everything was done to stage a show of the lame math “genius”. To this day the fraud persists. This is the level of corruption we are dealing with, and the sea of lies we are made to swim in.
The most important question related to the appearance of our Universe is the question of the singularity at the beginning of time, or the question whether our universe is coming from absolute nothing, or from a very small, very dense, but still final state of matter.
It is clear that this issue equally affects the interests of both science and religion. In particular, in addition to the interests of science and religion, this question places doubt on the principles of the interdependence of science and religion, since the answer “zero” qualitatively confirms the Abrahamic principle of the creation of the world “ex nihilo”.
And if such an answer can in no way be a confirmation of the Creator’s existence, in particular because of fundamental religious prohibitions conditionally called the principles of “freedom of will and freedom of choice”, then for anti-Abrahamic religions, which for many centuries were the main sponsors of science, such singularity at the beginning of time is a mighty blow below the belt.
And Steven Hawking made an outstanding contribution to this below the belt blow, or rather, to a series of below the belt attacks, mathematically rigorously proving that the singularity can not be removed by imposing any spherically asymmetric perturbations on the spherically symmetric Friedman’s model, which was the first and most painful of these below the belt blows.
Before we ask for wrong questions regards the Creator’s existence, let’s ask the right questions regards the NASA moon landing telemetry data.
“The Administration is confronting and countering malign Russian cyber activity, including their attempted interference in U.S. elections, destructive cyber-attacks, and intrusions targeting critical infrastructure,” said Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin. “These targeted sanctions are a part of a broader effort to address the ongoing nefarious attacks emanating from Russia. Treasury intends to impose additional CAATSA sanctions, informed by our intelligence community, to hold Russian government officials and oligarchs accountable for their destabilizing activities by severing their access to the U.S. financial system.”
Today’s action counters Russia’s continuing destabilizing activities, ranging from interference in the 2016 U.S. election to conducting destructive cyber-attacks, including the NotPetya attack, a cyber-attack attributed to the Russian military on February 15, 2018 in statements released by the White House and the British Government.
The best way to counter Putin would be to remove his operative, his puppet, from the the White House, along with the puppet accomplice, Pence.
Jordan Peterson,
The Queen’s University Talk: The Rising Tide of Compelled Speech
scroll to 9:40 for the freak show to begin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwdYpMS8s28
Now I kinda understand why you sometimes need some “Brown Shirts” with brass knuckles and baseball bats to crack some skulls and break some shins…
just sayin
Trump is a pussy-cat when it comes to Putin.
“As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be,” said Trump. It could be a 400 pound kid sitting on his bed.
Was Stephen Hawking ever accused of groping any Black Holes?
Theresa May mystery hysteria found a simple explanations – according to Army rumors, Russians surrounded 1000 SAS soldiers in Eastern Ghouta, fact that she can’t acknowledge since they are there illegally.
“Theresa May mystery hysteria…” –finca
Theresa May is not hysterical. She has the support of 29 EU nations and President Trump in applying sanctions. Mueller indicted 13 Russians and Trump applied sanctions to every one of them, validating Mueller’s Russia-Trump collusion investigation.
The Russian agent killed was connected to the British agent Christopher Steele. Rings a bell? Christopher Steele is the British MI6 garbage who wrote up the fake Trump Dossier for the Clinton mafia. The Russians will do well to make this fact known far and wide so that people truly understand how deep and international the commie mafia and the conspiracy really is.
?Greg Hunter – Weekly News Wrap-Up 3.16.18
— https://youtu.be/HSZSg-YCYeg
Trump says he did nothing with Stormy Daniels. Hey, Trump, you did nothing with me. Where’s my $130,000?
Why have the leftists suddenly turned prudish and blue-nosed?
Partisan, obviously.
Tate, perhaps we can discuss this tomorrow;
Tate March 15, 2018 at 3:27 pm #
okay shrb, I never said anything about crime statistics in the U.S. or even S.A.
Whether malthuss is correct or not is immaterial.
If you’re going to address me, then do so without reference to crime statistics, which I didn’t mention.
(But I wouldn’t characterize malthuss’s claims as “unhinged” by any means.)
Alert (TA18-074A)
Russian Government Cyber Activity Targeting Energy and Other Critical Infrastructure Sectors
“Since at least March 2016, Russian government cyber actors—hereafter referred to as “threat actors”—targeted government entities and multiple U.S. critical infrastructure sectors, including the energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.”
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA18-074A
The best defense would be to disrupt Putin’s plans by removing Putin’s operative from the White House. Putin’s agent has systematically set out to destroy the United States from within. The traitorous actions, crimes, and misdemeanors of Putin’s puppet warrant his impeachment.
https://www.needtoimpeach.com
The Kremlin declared itself the winner in the arms race and threw the gauntlet in the face of the collective West.
This is actually very good news for everyone who does not have underground autonomous shelter with a supply of food and water for 3 years.
Evil tongues say that the active nuclear phase of the global conflict could already happen in May 2018, coinciding with the deadline for completing underground shelters for the global elite in New Zealand, Uruguay, Paraguay and other exotic places.
Whoever “wins” in a nuclear conflict does not interest the global elite, they are more interested in the process.
What moved the Kremlin to make open and unambiguous threats towards the US and the global elite?
Elections? I doubt it. The Russian electorate is split into 3 uneven parts:
1. Those who always vote for Putin no matter what, approximately 150% of the population.
2. Those who do not go to polling stations and to get them off their couch can only fire in the building – about 20%
3. The smallest and loudest group of eternally dissatisfied with everyone and everything; it is this tight group that all other pretenders to supreme power in Russia are trying to get – about 15%.
Total = 100% of Russian voters (I challenge Q.Shtik to find an error in my arithmetic)
Or perhaps our American partners began massively bolting nuclear warheads onto their cruise missiles and, indirectly, the Russians detected such activity?
Or perhaps Americans are running out of uranium to run 50 power-generating blocks on the East Coast, and to be on the safe side they are already blaming the Russian hackers for future disruption in power supply?
Or perhaps this coincided with other signs, such as “Wall Street on the warpath”: a computer program analyzes the positions and trends of the US stock market and when the stock market stands in the pre-war position, the program notifies its Kremlin master.
It is very difficult to hide anything from the stockbrokers, almost impossible. In this sense, Wall Street’s talented employees are all agents of Putin.
When almost the entire Forbes list suddenly becomes concerned about the construction of underground shelters, creating an entire industry out of NOTHING.
It is going to be pretty hard for the CIA to arrange another “regime change” in Moscow, especially now, when an average Russian man is looking more and more as an offspring of a love affair between Joseph Stalin and a T-34 tank.
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