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     Such is the power of wishful thinking that a set of fool-making memes now pulses through the word-clouds of financial chatter in America spreading the false good cheer that our economic troubles are behind us and pimping for perpetual motion in wealth expansion. A poster boy for this bundle of falsehoods is financial analyst A. Gary Schilling. Just last week, he was talking out of his cloacal vent about US “energy independence” and “the manufacturing renaissance” that will allow this country to magically decouple from the compressive contraction driving the rest of the world.

     Shilling is among the growing chorus of cheerleaders who believe that the shale oil and gas boom will make it possible for so-called “consumers” (what we foolishly call ourselves) to keep driving to Wal-Mart forever — which is the master wish behind all the current fantasies of endless expansion. That idea is going to leave a lot of people disappointed and put the nation further behind in the necessary reorganization of all the key systems that support everyday civilized life, namely: food production, commerce, transport, and the management of capital.

     Here’s what’s actually going to happen with shale oil and gas. Best case scenario: shale oil production rises for three more years to about 2.3 million barrels a day and then crashes so quickly that in 10 years the shale oil industry ceases to exist. A less rosy forecast would admit that the exorbitant costs of drilling-and-fracking will not find the necessary capital to even take the industry that far. Rather, dwindling capital will see the shocking decline rates of shale wells (commonly 50 percent the first year and double digits the following) and will run shrieking for other places to hide.

     Contrary to Gary Schilling’s blather, America is not practicing “energy conservation.” Rather, an economy engineered strictly to run on cheap oil has gotten crushed by oil that is not cheap. Does Schilling believe, for example, that American suburbia works just as well on $90-a-barrel oil as it did on $11-a-barrel oil, or that it has a future as the basic armature of daily life, or that we are doing anything meaningful to alter the burdens of living this way? My guess is that he has never thought about it.

            Likewise, as the American economy got crushed by no-longer-cheap oil, all the working classes in this country below the one-percenters got crushed, hammered, and trashed. Among other things they can no longer afford is gasoline. Total vehicle miles driven has gone down by almost 3 percent since 2007. It will keep going down, and the Happy Motoring matrix will collapse for another reason: capital scarcity will translate into fewer available car loans for Americans, and fewer qualified borrowers, and Americans are used to buying their cars on installment loans.

    The shale gas situation is also not the “energy savior” it’s cracked up to be. Because it costs so much to export the stuff, and we don’t have the export infrastructure in place — ocean terminals, fleets of special (expensive!) tanker ships — shale gas is hostage to the US domestic market. The initial boom was so extravagant that it produced a gas glut, which drove the price way below the level that makes it economically rational to drill for the stuff. Now, a lot of those drilling rigs are migrating to North Dakota, where the Bakken shale oil fields require perpetual increases in rig-counts to offset the rapid decline of existing wells.

      The shale gas regions of Barnett (Fort Worth), Haynesville (Louisiana), and Fayetteville, Arkansas, are already dwindling. The “sweet spots” turned out to be smaller than the hype suggested. The Marcellus (Pennsylvania and New York) is next. Several of the other hyped shale gas “plays” — the Antrim and the Utica — proved too unpromising to even bother with and never made it out of the wish bag.

      The problems with fracking and groundwater pollution are secondary to the economic quandaries as far as the fate of the industry is concerned. At under $8 a unit (1000 cubic feet), shale gas is not worth drilling-and-fracking for. It’s currently around $4. Above $8, Americans are going to have a hard time paying for it. So, enjoy the temporary glut and now stand back and watch the industry begin to dry up and blow away.

      As for the “industrial renaissance,” clowns like Gary Shilling can’t put together the obvious trends. The talked-about new factories will be operated by robots, so there would be no employment renaissance to go along with them. Then there is the question of who might the products be sold to? To Americans who have no jobs and no money? To Europeans who are also going broke and also have the ability to roboticize industrial production and impoverish their own working people? To Asia, which is already at industrial over-capacity — and which will only grow worse as Americans and Europeans buy less stuff? I guess that leaves South America and Africa. Well, good luck with that.

     Schilling is really only shilling for delusional stock market psychology, which tends to be a self-reinforcing racket until it reaches a threshold of credulity criticality and then implodes from a sudden loss of faith, ruining even a great many one percenters. Money may indeed keep pouring into the US stock markets, especially from other countries, where the money is frightened. I’ll tell you what it ought to be really frightened about: that it doesn’t represent genuine capital, i.e. has no real value. One day not distant, all the nations will discover that their money is only notional and that notions have a way of going up in a vapor. Foolish ideas, though, appear more durable and plentiful. They just keep coming, no matter what’s going on in reality.

     My basic wish is that we would quit all our wishing in America and get on with the job of transforming our economic arrangements to a scale and mode that are consistent with the resource and capital realities of these times — before they whap us upside the head and put and end to the project of remaining civilized.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    “it looks like she’s blowing him”
    …. mlk in reference to Jackie K, according to janos…..

    I call bullshit on this one, vlad. Even if you provide a source, it’s going to be based to conjecture and innuendo.

    FBI surveillance tapes of MLK should be released in 2027. There will doubtless be some bad things revealed, unless redacted.

    Until then, then – a post like this one only gives K and UFIA (and many others) reason to disparage any real truth you might otherwise provide, here.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

      Nope they have him on tape. He was a sex addict remember. Surely you don’t dispute that?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 22, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

      Everything you’ve been told is a Lie. This should pique your interest if it can be piqued on this subject. Your god had feet of clay and a heart of lead.


  2. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    “I have no association with the phony racial bullshit propagated by government employed trolls who live here in order to prevent rational dialogue about our nation and the world future and drive viewers away. I have no association with lies or misdirection and genuinely seek truth.

    Trolls are here and employed by forces who desire to prevent social change, adaptation or evolution because these forces hugely benefit from the current social clusterfuck and have a vested interest in plundering the planet and the American people.”

    Look, K, you appear to be losing it, when you call UFIA a govt. troll, since he seems to be more on your side than, for example, Janos.

    And I don’t see how Janos can be a troll, when there appear to be hundreds like him on AmRen and other websites – posting about race in America as they see fit, for FREE, and without being on anyone’s payroll.

    Are you calling Back Row Hecker a race-based govt. troll? Simply because he posts about the Knock-out game. That’s bizarre.

    Thomas Sowell, again, has something to say:
    “Responsible people of all races need to support a crackdown on these attacks, which can provoke a white backlash that can escalate into a race war. But political expediency leads in the opposite direction.

    What is politically expedient is to do what Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. is doing — launching campaigns against schools that discipline a “disproportionate” number of black male students.”

    And, let’s all remember that Sowell is a well-known African-American journalist and commentator.

  3. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    “My association with JHK is no more than that we both belong to a small group of like minds who have a genuine interest in seeing the human experiment continue into the future and recognize that if society continues to behave as it is without making new living arrangements the future will be a bleak and terrible nightmare. we are not gloom and doomers but responsible concerned citizens who want a better path to the future than that which is being forced on society now.” …k….

    Nice words, K. And if you’ve got some ideas for saving humanity from a terrible future – you need to float them out there pronto. Please.

    I expect most rational people would ignore or overlook , for example, Janos’ disparagement of MLK’s sexual peccadilloes – to read such words – when expressed on CFN.

    I know I would.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 22, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

      Why should it be overlooked if it happened? We have to learn to love the Truth for the sake of Truth no matter if we like it or not. Otherwise you start thinking like a Muslim: they don’t dispute Mohammad’s sexual weirdness – they are simply outraged that you mention it. It’s “disrespectful”.

  4. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    And I’ve got an idea to save the CFN comment thread from a terrible future of being hard to use and follow.



    Pretty please, JHK? It would really help a lot.

  5. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    One thing that is probably going to be forced on American society is excessive population growth, due to immigration.

    Growth (of all sorts) needs to slow down, otherwise we’re doomed.

    Reduction of population growth INSIDE the United States seems a very good place to start.

    Anyone want me to suggest a good website?



  6. progress4what November 22, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    Yeah – Janos, hideous rape and murder.
    IMO, it’s better to post from a far-left news organization, on a forum like CFN. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/11/22/colleen_ritzer_murder_14_year_old_philip_d_chism_charged_with_murder_rape.html And may this innocent young teacher rest in peace. And may the killer rot in Hell.

    As far as your citing of AmRen – we’ve discussed this before. AmRen is going to have to clean up their comments. Comments to the article you link make numerous unacceptable racial references, “Zulus,” and “‘groids,” among them.


    And as regards MLK saying that Jackie was “blowing” JFK’s recently deceased body – you can’t give a reference, so I’d suggest dropping the subject.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 22, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

      It’s war Prog. Hatred is natural. Except for Heroes like Ali or Arjuna, men cannot fight without hatred. Would you leave us defenseless?

      The strengths of Christianity you will have nothing to do with. The bad parts like this, you cling to. Are you a Monk? Above the World? No. So embrace the whole of life and hatred is part of that. You don’t think they hate us? And I mean both the Elite and their Apelike Pets.

      I will look for the information you have requested.

    • beantownbill. November 23, 2013 at 12:12 am #

      All this stuff about blowing dead JFK is bullshit. Many years ago I remember reading the same story, except the perpetrator was LBJ. Will people elieve anything? Or do the originators of such sick stories have an agenda?

      • stelmosfire November 23, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

        So, on a lighter note. I just pulled the Brussel sprouts and picked the last of the apples. Sprouts are super sweet, cooked and vacuumed, and the apples are on deck for the dehydrator. I can vacuum pack 10 lbs. of apples down to 1 lb. and they keep for years. Don’t come knockin’ I only share with neighbors!

  7. Janos Skorenzy November 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm #


    Australia tells the Corporate Socialists of the “International Global Warming Community” to go to Hell. It’s warm so they should like it.

  8. beantownbill. November 23, 2013 at 12:19 am #

    To K-dog re an earlier post:

    Are you saying Asoka has transformed himself from a 70 year old black man to a twenty-something graduate student?

    • K-Dog November 23, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

      Pointing out that both ‘Had to steal the original xbox from a drug dealer‘ would be as useless as pointing out my computers don’t have web-cams. Or pointing out that 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC is in Zip Code 20535 and ‘ Langley’, Virginia is in Zip Code 23665 would make sense to few. Not many these days remember what COINTELPRO was or apparently care.

  9. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject November 23, 2013 at 1:26 am #

    [And why I’m here I’ll respond to the question that was asked a few comments up:

    “By the way, K-Dawg… you play FPS online?”

    I’m curious why you would ask this Asoka since you already know everything I do online and already know if I do or not. If the question is an attempt to intimidate and manipulate me because surveillance of my personal email and telephone clearly shows I will be meeting someone on the Microsoft Campus today at the ‘X-Box’ building, (a building not identified by its official designation) I have a question of you.

    Why would you expect that reminding someone that they are under up close and real time surveillance and have been for over a year be intimidating to them? Eleven months ago the decision was made to let K-Dog know he was being monitored up close and personal. You know this and at the time it did freak me out as was expected and intended yes. Gang stalking will do that. But as Bart Simpson would say “That was then and this is now man”. Now months later I’ve adjusted to all the little fuckifications you boys throw my way and try to the best of my ability to ignore them and get on with my life. Chase your own damn balls. Why would letting me know that you know where I am going to be today by asking a random question about First Person Shooter be intimidating to me. I don’t care if my ‘true’ identity becomes known."] The dawg

    Whoa, Kevin. Be easy man. The only reason I asked If you played online is because I thought I might give you my gamertag and invite you to a Halo or BF4 match. You seem younger than any of the others here, so I thought…. well, fuck it anyway.

    My friend bought an XBOX ONE and we picked it up last night at a midnight release from a GameStop in our hometown. Seriously dude, *your* throwin’ a whole bunch of shit against the wall and seeing a Last Supper Davinchi Code that just isn’t there. Lay off the media, man. Sometimes random coincidences are just that. You’re intimidating the hell out of yourself, and I’m sorry If you were in anyway made to feel uncomfortable.

    P.S. you make the funniest faces when you’re jackin’ off in front of your laptop. We here at Langley use these images as screensavers ’round the office, just for shits and giggles(Didn’t Asoka use this line one time?). Put a little piece of black tape over the webcam lens next time. And keep more than one Kleenex handy for all that….ahem… ectoplasm.

    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    Good luck with the spooky ghost who’s haunting ya :>O


    • K-Dog November 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

      Because I said ‘chase your own damn balls’ it now appears government peeping toms have decided not to throw their balls but to play with them instead.

      I’d have to have a laptop with a web-cam if I did what you say and any ectoplasm needing to be cleaned up would be on your side of the screen. And it would be cleaned up not with Kleenex but with a copy of theThe Bill Of Rights. A copy being needed because the original has been ripped in half.

      • Neon Vincent November 23, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

        “Because I said ‘chase your own damn balls’ it now appears government peeping toms have decided not to throw their balls but to play with them instead.”

        It’s not just the government disinformation agents who do that. Rutgers University and Iowa State University do as well. ISU actually offers a class on “The Mathematics of Juggling.” Watch the videos at the link.


        • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 8:24 am #

          I enjoyed both of the video clips. Thank you for helping to redirect the blog from a totally inappropriate misdirection. It is presumptuous of me to speak for JHK but I suspect he’d also be pleased you grabbed the ball and picked it out of the gutter.

          • Neon Vincent November 24, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

            Thank you for stopping by and watching. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I can’t be all DOOM all the time, even here.

  10. volodya November 23, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    Re Deblonay’s post.

    They say that Kennedy was “loved”. No doubt. But as an uppity Irish Catholic who obviously didn’t know his place, he was also despised. But to the point where his political opponents would want him dead? And then actually do it?

    There’s a question in this whole assassination thing: what was Oswald’s motive? I heard that Oswald also likely took a shot at a US general. Luckily for the intended target, he missed. So maybe he was just a disturbed young man looking for a place in history. A nobody with a gun.

    Or maybe, as Oswald himself said, he was a patsy. Maybe he was a very conveniently disturbed young man who came to the attention of whoever was looking to get rid of Kennedy. Jack Ruby supposedly said that if you knew the truth, you’d be amazed. What did he mean by this?

    If this was a coup you have to admit it was done in spectacular fashion, in a wide open space, in front of thousands of people, with the press in attendance.

    Apparently, nothing discrete would suffice, no surreptitious poisoning, no private demise, no mournful announcement that the president tragically passed away during the night. No claim that it was a natural death, a sad result of the president’s chronic health issues.

    Nope, it had to be a murder in full view, blood and brains everywhere. Was it meant to send a message? If so, I’ll bet the intended recipients got it loud and clear. And then, as if to tidy things up, another rub-out, this time of the alleged assassin, again in front of the cameras. Nope, no jail-cell “suicide” for Oswald. And then Jack Ruby, most advantageously, dies of an embolism. Two of the possible story-tellers, possibly the loosest of the loose cannons, silenced.

    And then, as if in a demonstration of the conspirators’ power, a mess of a police investigation followed by a half-assed commission of inquiry. Or should I say white-wash?

    If this was a coup, who would have the balls? They must have thought that they were untouchable (maybe because of their positions of authority), that no investigation would come close to them, that everyone involved would keep their traps shut, that anyone with even tangential knowledge would stay quiet if for no other reason than they could face dire consequences, not least from the conspirators themselves.

    And so the facts and the truth would remain under wraps forever. People have been asking questions for fifty years and what have we got to show for it? Maybe, if there was really a plot, the plotters got it right.

  11. BackRowHeckler November 23, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    On NPR coverage of 50th anniversary of JFK murder, they kept referring to Dallas in 1963 as a right wing bastion. But I thought Oswald was a communist, like obama mentors Frank Marshall and Bill Ayers. Maybe i was wrong all these years, I don’t know. Also, at the time Texas was dominated totally by Democrats, which wasn’t mentioned. They did end the feature on a hopeful note, however, reporting that Dallas is now “minority-majority” and the police chief is a lesbian. All is well, evidently. Thank god! NPR, you can’t beat it.

    The Governors stringent Gun Control measures are paying off, even as I type this. Last week a dude was stabbed many times on Capen St. and left for dead. Not to be outdone, and respecting the ‘toughest gun control laws in the US’, just 2 nites ago the captain of the Bloomfield HS football stabbed his lover to death, a dude named Ed. Once again, you really had to search hard for a description of the assailant. Here’s how it works: the only time a suspects race is identified is if he’s white. Other than that no way. Well, at least Ed wasn’t shot. that would’ve been really bad.


    • stelmosfire November 23, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

      Hey Marlin, I never caught that Bloomfield story. Conn. is catching up with Ma. on gun control. Sh## a coupla year ago I could go into Cabela’s and buy ammo. After Newtown not so much. Good or bad? I don’t know. We are losing our rights bit by bit. A very minority of as####s and we all look bad.

  12. Widok November 23, 2013 at 12:17 pm #

    There’s no way Oswald shot JFK. It was a professional hit if ever there was one. Who and what we will never know, but the Oswald angle makes no sense and too much evidence contravenes the theory of him as the Lone Assassin or an assassin at all. It really doesn’t matter any longer. What’s done is done, and things have moved well along since then. There’s no going back. Only forward. Sure, mistakes will be repeated because we rarely, if ever, learn from history, but those mistakes are not repeated in exactly the same way because the context can never be identical, so it’s a repeating of mistakes only in the broadest and most general interpretation of that assertion. Here’s a rebuttal to the latest farce from National Geographic, Killing Kennedy. It’s called Killing Oswald. Clever and jabbing title. I couldn’t get myself to watch Killing Kennedy because I can’t stand Rob Lowe. He’s as bad as Peter Strauss as Rudy Jordache of Rich Man Poor Man fame. Pretty boy who doesn’t like his hair to get mussed up.


  13. BackRowHeckler November 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Widok how could something like that be covered up for 50 years? Even in a conspiracy of 2 people one of them is going to talk sooner or later, probably sooner. Now McKinley, that might have been an uncovered conspiracy. Czolgoz was an anarchist at a time when anarchists were assassinating pols all over the world.

    Hey RipThunder that happened 2 nights ago. Really pretty tragic, in that the kid who did the stabbing was only 17, and the dude who got stabbed was 27, most likely a homo predator.


    • Janos Skorenzy November 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

      When Whitey Bulger was on the run, do you think he used to get drunk and tell people he was Whitey Bulger? No, that’s what a common criminal would do. He was above that level. He used to read books and sample the finer things of life even when he was an up and comer. Apparently it was very amusing for his fellow Irish and Italian thugs – but fully developed it gave him the ability to walk away and create a new identity. Common Criminals can’t do that because they have no other interests. They invariably drift back to what they know and like. Don’t believe the police shows – people get away all the time and never get caught if they are smart enough. Now translate this to the conspiracy theory and double it. When people talk about not being able to keep a secret they are talking about themselves – or even underestimating themselves. Secrets are kept by people capable of keeping them.

      • Carl Grimes November 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

        I’ve made the argument, (not on here) that the old mob, run by white men, was signifantly better than this bunch of nappy headed jerks whith their caps on backwards, and their shirts and shorts too big. They look like babbies who dressed themselves in the dark. The batos are little better if any.

    • Widok November 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

      BRH, it depends on who or what perpetrated it, but I don’t think it would be all that difficult to keep the lid on it. IN fact, it hasn’t been. Containment is key, I suspect. Meaning, each person plays a small part and has no idea what they’re taking part in. In otherwords, they’re never given the larger picture. Sure, they may figure it out after the fact and think to themselves that they’ve been duped, but after they’ve seen what they’ve taken part in unwittingly, two things would keep them from being a threat. One, they realize that the same process they took part in unwittingly could be used against them if need be. That’s enough of a deterrent for most but certainly not all who played their part. Two, for the small minority that doesn’t keep it zipped, they’ll be smeared as kooks and their careers, if they still have one, will be ruined. Three (I know, I said two originally but now it’s three and counting), for the very small handful for which one and two proves ineffective, there’s death by whatever means necessary.

      Considering the above, if I was involved at the highest planning levels and wanted to keep the truth from ever seeing the light of day, I would create a permanent fog around the issue, and that would entail creating controlled, misdirectional conspiracy theories that would lead suspicious researchers down rabbit holes and prevent any large-scale inquiries because people will fear being labeled conspiracy theorists, so they’ll just go with the establishment flow, and that flow right now has taken a strong swing back to Oswald being the Lone Gunman. For a while there, the conspiracy theories were making some headway in altering public opinion, but the momentum has swung the other way, and JFK assassination conspiracy theories aren’t getting any airtime on cable any longer. Instead, we have the Killing Kennedy crap.

      But, like I said, who really gives a shit? I don’t. It’s intriguing from an unsolved mystery perspective, but it’s not like it matters even if someone did stumble on the truth either serendipitously or through crackerjack research. A million realities have been crafted and rolled out since. The truth of the JFK assassination can no longer set anyone free if it ever could have, which is doubtful.

      • BackRowHeckler November 23, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

        Well written, Widok. You make a good case.


      • ozone November 24, 2013 at 10:16 am #

        The freedom from the illusion that government institutions are [currently] in the business of providing honest and helpful dispersion of tax-payer ‘contributions’ (rather than a exercise in self-perpetuation for its’ own sake) is liberating one.

        So, nothing to see here; more along?
        There’s plenty to see for those who might wish to dispel the vapors through critical comparison in the usage of ‘da fax’.


        If you don’t give a shit on such a gargantuan issue of trust between a government and its’ (admittedly apathetic) citizenry, that’s certainly your business, but I contend that it is exactly this issue that is the root of this desperate escapism and ubiquitous apathy.

        “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.” – Friedrich Nietzsche

        • ozone November 24, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

          “MOVE” along. (Kee-riced on a cracker!)

  14. Q. Shtik November 23, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    “…and Hollywood. Proof? Here’s my proof!” – Janos

    How in the hell does THIS prove anything?

    And BTW, If Jonah Hill and Jordan Feldstein are brothers (it doesn’t say half-brothers) why do they have different last names? Did one of them legally change his name?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 23, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

      Did you see that guy? He’s a walk in character actor for Horror Inc. Why is a beautiful young thing like Eastwood’s daughter marrying little Lurch? Answer: green paper what the Sioux call frog skin. It’s power round these here parts. But noooooo, as a good little goy you don’t BELIEVE that they control Hollywood, the Banks, America, and the Deli down the street.

      Get some poetry and rock in your soul or you will never know the Truth.

  15. Q. Shtik November 23, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    “Why is a beautiful young thing like Eastwood’s daughter marrying little Lurch? Answer: green paper…” – Janos

    Oh for God’s sake, women have been marrying for money since time began.

    And, no, I wouldn’t know Jonah Hill if I tripped over him.

  16. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject November 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    “Because I said ‘chase your own damn balls’ it now appears government peeping toms have decided not to throw their balls but to play with them instead.” K-Dog.

    Wow, You really do think I’m an agent and monitoring you. Aside from a couple mere coincidences that seem to have enabled you to create this spook fantasy, there’s absolutely nothing I’ve posted in this past year that would give any intelligent person cause to think this, to think that I’m trying to thwart or stifle any kind of activism. From a year’s worth of reading this sort of material I’ve become entirely cynical and simply do not believe the country as a whole will ever construct a coherent narrative that begins to tackle the toughest issues we can name. But that’s simply my own take on it all. It’s just how I see people, generally speaking.

    Kev, you’re a good natured chap, but from what I’ve seen of you there’s no reason an agent would spend a lot of energy tracking your activities. But who knows, you might be some sort of grand mastermind. Good luck.


    • Janos Skorenzy November 24, 2013 at 3:06 am #

      His name is Keith. Check your files. You are confusing him with Asoka whose code name is Kevin. We are watching the Watchers so watch out. You are always under review. We don’t like the way you knew the Daughters of Men – that created the Grigori, a giant problem.

      • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 8:05 am #

        I can’t believe I’m actually thanking the master of misdirection for clarifying my name.


      • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 9:20 am #

        Yes, for has not Penemue corrupted the Dog and given him bitter and sweet wisdom. The dog knows the days of man should comprise one hundred and twenty years and considers that this be not so an abomination. With his knowledge the dog no longer innocent and pure was able to hear the voice of Chazaqiel and thus being spoken to the Dog apprehended all the secrets of the clouds and sees clearly the future coming of collapse and errors in the ways of men.

        But I correct you; he is not of the Malakha. He himself is actually one of the Nephilim Himself. Your mistake is understandable for surely it appears he is not of the daughters of man and no daughter of man would admit to being his mother.

        But he is of the Nephilim and a giant problem for you. I don’t know why you continue to put up with him and I must think that he must hold a commission and is very well connected for he spends far too much time walking the earth and not dwelling under it as he properly should.

        Watchers after all could be watching the watchers watch the watchers watch the watchers for all you know and that could be a serious complication.

        • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 9:26 am #

          Yes Q, a redundant ‘himself’ and probably not enough of the watching of the watchers for we both know there is no end to the watching going on.

    • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 9:42 am #

      I’ve become entirely cynical and simply do not believe the country as a whole will ever construct a coherent narrative that begins to tackle the toughest issues we can name.”

      And that kind of cynical poison should be kept to oneself. Take a long walk in the crisp air and let nature renew your soul. If you’re not part of the solution step aside and get out of the damn way. Constructing a coherent narrative that tackles the tough issues is the reason why we are here in the first place. You are an eater of cheese puffs at best and at worst………………… never mind that, I just covered it in the comment on top of this one.

      Barack Obama will be town today and I’d like to discuss some of those tough issues with him but can’t afford the $16,000.00 a plate it would cost to have dinner with him.

      We might as well just have a King. A King-Dog in charge. It would be cheaper.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 24, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

        Now you are talking. Enough with this democracy crap as Kennedy Sr said. You and me fight for the Kingdom (Malkuth) to the Death. The Winner shall be crowned. Meanwhile Arn watches in his city of Arn in the Land of Arndom in the Pit. He waits for Farce who is almost there. He talk to himself, “I am already a King.” But of what, Arn, of what?

  17. ozone November 24, 2013 at 10:28 am #

    JHK sez:
    ” Likewise, as the American economy got crushed by no-longer-cheap oil, all the working classes in this country below the one-percenters got crushed, hammered, and trashed. Among other things they can no longer afford is gasoline. Total vehicle miles driven has gone down by almost 3 percent since 2007. It will keep going down, and the Happy Motoring matrix will collapse for another reason: capital scarcity will translate into fewer available car loans for Americans, and fewer qualified borrowers, and Americans are used to buying their cars on installment loans.”

    Furthering this idea, what happens when the petro-dollar SCAM collapses? (BTW, things are distinctly creeping in that direction.)


    Even if apathetic and terminally distracted, it’s short enough to invest 3 minutes to read it…

    • beantownbill. November 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

      I generally don’t like the more extremes of Roberts’ statements, but in this article I believe he is correct.

      You can’t play around with a currency without repercussions. Ultimately, China is doomed, but they are playing the hand they have extremely well. Actually, I’m surprised they’ve waited so long to wean off the dollar.

      Great changes are coming.

  18. Arn Varnold November 24, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    Mother of the gods; what has this thread degenerated to?
    You’all need to get a serious grip on reality.
    Fuck all; this thread has rotted to the usual cesspool of crap led by Vlad as is the usual course of events.
    But for the rest of you’all; what’s your excuse? Hmm?

    • beantownbill. November 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

      I don’t know how long you’ve been following this blog’s comments, Arn, but things are better now than they’ve been for a long time. There’s always going to be posters that try to divert off the main themes. You do know, I hope, that this is normal for any forum?

      I compare it to mining for gold. Miners have to sort through tons of rock to find a few ounces of gold. The question you have to ask yourself is, are those few ounces worth it to you to mine those tons of rock? Personally, I’ve gained a lot of knowledge here over the years.

      We’ve lost

      • beantownbill. November 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

        We’ve lost a lot of insightful posters these few years, like Turk, Being There (who does post occasionally, but not anywhere as much as she used to), and several others whose names I can’t drag out of my own memory storage at this moment. But new ones do come online.

        • nsa November 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

          You know the definition of a gold mine out west……a hole in the ground with two liars standing around it.

      • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

        I once compared it having to mine a lot of coal to find a diamond. Diamonds don’t actually come from coal mines but both are made of carbon.

      • Arn Varnold November 25, 2013 at 5:13 am #

        @ beantownbill.
        November 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm #
        I don’t know how long you’ve been following this blog’s comments, Arn, but things are better now than they’ve been for a long time.
        Checked in now and again for maybe three/four years; but seemed to insane to attract any comment from me.
        Well, it was (better) for awhile, but its orbit seems to be in retrograde once again…

    • Janos Skorenzy November 24, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

      Don’t take my Mother’s name in vain.

  19. rube-i-con November 24, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Kunstler is wrong about the fall of Western civilization and retrenchment as an agrarian-manual society. He is right that communities would do well to adopt a mixed-use structure that embeds groceries, small shops etc. in with residential areas. There is a sore lack of this in the United States, which results in the need to have a car do bloody get anything done.

    The West is characterized by rampant technological progress that solves our most pressing needs/problems. It’s been so successful at it that we have a surfeit of virtually everything.

    JHK’s take is that it’s all based on the availability of cheap oil. But this entirely ignores the massive implementation of alternative energy over the past 30-40 years. It’s gotten to the point where Stanford University says that all solar panels produced to date are now net energy plus. This has massive beneficial implications, which Kunstler glosses over or simply disparages without extrapolating to their logical conclusion.

    In a nutshell, we are harnessing more and more of the sun – not to mention other limitless energies – here on Earth. Since we could easily furnish all of mankind’s energy requirements using 1% or less of the sun’s energy, we are blessed with a situation where we simply need to continue to do what we are doing to reach 100% energy supply ad infinitum.

    Oil ‘shortages’ are merely the birth pangs ushering us into the next blissful stage of energy limitlessness. The physics are there to back this up.

    peace peaceniks

    • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

      What physics; where Asoka? The physics of climate change? The physics of the inability of all alternative energy combined to to run the wall Wal-Mart delivery system or put thousand mile salads on your dinner table? The physics of soil depletion and farms unable to provide enough food to feed the population as it iswithout massive fossil fuel inputs?

      JHK’s take is that modern American life depends on the use of massive amounts of cheap !! fossil fuels to keep going and without it we stare wither and die. He is not wrong and even if alternative energies existed to compensate for the loss of fossil fuels (which they don’t) none of these technologies have been put in place in a magnitude that comes anywhere close to maintaining your cornicopian wet dreams. The basic problem for those addicted to the technological dream is that you and your kind cannot grasp that the King of Science, Physics needs the Queen of Science Mathematics to rule or science is eviscerated and becomes nothing more than magical fantasy. Your kind loves to use technology without understanding what it is and the consequences of using it.

      Shoulds, woulds, and coulds are not going to lead us to a future of any prosperity. Massive change and the acceptance of reality could give the country a future but that’s not happening. Change is being prevented my massive corporate influence in our political system at all levels. Oil companies lobby for subsidy while preventing the subsidy of alternative energies. No thought is given to the future to make our nation sustainable. Change of the game is prevented at every turn by those who currently benefit from the status-quo as it is. Massive surveillance justified by the search for imaginary demons combined with mostly hidden interference in thought and action behind the scenes prevents any dissent at a time when positive responsible dissent could save the day. Everywhere mass media distractions stifle original thought and drown intellectual activity. The average American is taught every day to understand nothing, stand for nothing, and be nothing and the tragedy is it could all be another way.

      We have reached a point where ignorance and the worship of false gods by cornicopian types like yourself who dream childish dreams are not simply quaint benign and simple minded. Reaching real limits to growth as we have cornicopian types like yourself are now dangerous and evil. The praise and cultivation of ignorant hedonism and the existing consumer culture must end or in our future there will be no future to have. Instead there will only be death pain and misery.

      • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

        without it we starve wither and die

      • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

        Ok grammar is pretty flawed. It was a stream of consciousness howl and I wish I could edit it.

        Change is being prevented by massive corporate influence

        Another big error and I don’t even want to count the little ones.

  20. Q. Shtik November 24, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Sunday football:

    Referee: “Facemask, number nahnee-ate of the dee-fay-ints, 15 yods.

    A sports talking head: Pronounces a team’s name as the Seahocks. I guess he never noticed the “W”.

    • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

      Nobody notices the ‘W’ here. That’s how it’s said.

      By concentrating on specific details so closely and intensely, by zooming in on fine nuance. Do you ever get the sense that you might be missing the bigger picture?

      Double quotes around a single character is discouraged. The way I did it is more correct.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 24, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

        Good point. At some point the English language has to be given back to the people and the spelling changed to match current usage. Otherwise the scholars will preserving Chaucer’s English while we are speaking Shakespearean – a difference greater than between Shakespeare and the current vernacular.

        • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

          What’s up with this. You agreeing with me and the article you post below while coming from a fundamentalist point of view I can’t hang with is about something I’ll agree with too.

          Hip hop lyrics are gross and disparage women. No argument from me. I’m all about free speech but I’ve a friend who listens to Hip Hop on his radio and when certain tunes come on he switches the channel or turns it off quick. Usually he mutters a sentence from the tune about ‘bitches’ having to something or other to clue me in and says we don’t need that shit. I’m usually curious about what I’m missing having never heard the particular tune he flicks off but I accept that he’s probably right. We don’t need that shit.

          I’m finding this agreeing between us to be a bad sign.

  21. Janos Skorenzy November 24, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    From the desk of Ann Barnhardt:


  22. rube-i-con November 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    The physics of the inability of all alternative energy combined to to run the wall Wal-Mart delivery system or put thousand mile salads on your dinner table?

    Straw man.

    No one is saying 1000-mile salads. You are confusing current alt energy production with expanding alt energy production as the years progress. IOW, you are using a static interpretation of a mushrooming generation capacity.

    Alt energy production was nil in 1950, and is terrawatts now, most likely. IBM – a reliable source, you have to agree – says its can generate all the world’s energy requirements using 2% of the Sahara’s surface area.

    Coal replaced whale oil, solar/renewables are replacing follil fuels. Deny it if you want, but that just denies a half-century of progress. Why would tend of billions of dollars be spent if the physical foundation was untenable?

    Also, don’t forget efficiency. LEDs use 2% of the power that incandescents require. So stop worrying. Human power alone can replace loads of fossil-fuel powered applications.

    Google it. Don’t discount technological progress. Remember the failed doomsdayers of the past: man is not mean to fly, and everthing worth inventing has already been invented.

    We’ll see you in the bright, wonderful future. Where you can forebodingly foretell the end of the world at 150 years of age while communicating simply by thinking. It’s almost here.

    peace peaceniks

    • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

      Human power alone can replace loads of fossil-fuel powered applications.

      Yes, given enough humans and enough planets the earth could get on with human power alone. And the energy slave needs are not taken into consideration.

      22 Billion En ergy Slaves

      LEDs use 2% of the power that incandescents require.” No, that’s incorrect. A correct answer is about 20%. The high efficiency lighting panels I’ve make from scratch in the last two years consume about twelve watts to give 600 lumens. They use the latest and greatest phosphor coated white LEDs and the power which drives them is converted to a correct drive voltage with an efficiency of 90%. That’s pretty good.

      The best state of the art LEDs only covert electricity to light with a bit more than 20% efficiency which is why you have your facts wrong. 600 lumens of white light is only on the order of 2 watts of light energy.

      It is typical of cornucopians to refer to the future when backed in a corner “expanding alt energy production as the years progress“. To rely on the future misrepresents reality and is highly irresponsible. I recall seeing a world of tomorrow living in a future of technical progress type of movie in grade school. A small boy at the start of the movie wrote the year ’1992′ in beach sand. At the time that was far in the future. None of the technology presented in the movie came to pass and the mistake of assuming infinite amounts of plentiful non polluting energy was prominent in the assumptions made.

      Coal replaced whale oil, solar/renewables are replacing fossil fuels.

      Actually oil did the replacement and had it not there would be no more whales. The oceans are not big enough to grow enough whales to light the night for the current population. The replacement for whales; fossil fuels are warming the planet and their continued unregulated use will bring on the extinction of mankind by unchecked global warming. Besides which they are becoming unattainable.

      You dance and you evade. You do not deal with the basic fact I stated previously. The King of Science, Physics needs the Queen of Science Mathematics to rule or science is eviscerated and becomes nothing more than magical fantasy.

      You are lost in fantasy. You place all you bets in a future which ignores basic laws of nature and is nothing more than a dream of wishful thinking. None of the equations in your dreams balance.

      Communicate by simply thinking? I’ll pass thank you very much. I have no desire to have the cesspool one would see if they were to lift your scalp and actually peer into your brainpan forced on me.

  23. Q. Shtik November 24, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

    Nobody notices the ‘W’ here. That’s how it’s said.

    I find that to be just offal

    By concentrating on specific details so closely and intensely,

    I don’t think of the ‘w’ in hawk as a “specific detail” requiring close and intense concentration to notice.

    by zooming in on fine nuance. Do you ever get the sense that you might be missing the bigger picture?

    Fine “nuance”?? Haha. To pronounce a common four-letter word the way it is shown in every English dictionary on earth? I’m getting the big picture just fine.

    I think youz guys speech is ahsomely ockwerd.

  24. Widok November 24, 2013 at 5:43 pm #


  25. Q. Shtik November 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    “I find that to be just offal” – Q.

    Why do people not like offal*? Because they think it is awful.

    * the parts of a butchered animal that are considered inedible by human beings; carrion.

    • K-Dog November 24, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

      Once left an opened can of alphabet soup in the fridge too long. It was offal.

  26. Arn Varnold November 25, 2013 at 7:38 am #

    @ beantownbill.
    November 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm #
    I don’t know how long you’ve been following this blog’s comments, Arn, but things are better now than they’ve been for a long time.
    Checked in now and again for maybe three/four years; but seemed too insane to attract any comment from me.
    Well, it was (better) for awhile, but its orbit seems to be in retrograde once again…


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