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This idiotic fantasy congealed in the political matrix last week as everyone across the spectrum of parties and factions scrambled for patriotism brownie points in what is shaping up as an epic game of Capture-the-Flag for the mid-term elections. Listen to me for a moment, as our arch-nemesis Vlad the Putin said to Fox News knucklehead Chris Wallace in an interview aired Sunday Night — when Wallace interrupted Mr. Putin for perhaps the fourth time, saying, “I don’t want to interrupt you, sir, but….”

“Listen to me. Be patient,” Mr. Putin repeated dolefully, like a second-grade teacher struggling with an ADD kid.

The interview was trying my Christian patience, too. And my own personal fantasy was that Mr. Putin would whip out 30 inches of rebar and whap Chris Wallace upside the head with it. But he only repeated, “Be patient….”

So, listen to me: Russia did not “attack” us. Trolling on Facebook is not an attack on the nation. The allegation that Russia “hacked” Hillary’s email and the DNC server is so far without evidence, and computer forensics strongly suggests that the information was transferred onto a flash-drive on its journey to Wikileaks. And, of course, the information itself, concerning embarrassing unethical hijinks among Democratic Party officials, was genuine and truthful — they “meddled” in their own primary elections.

This lingering Russia hysteria got a big re-boot last week following Mr. Trump’s impressively awkward performance onstage with the nimble Mr. Putin, whose self-possession only reinforced Mr. Trump’s lumbering oafishness and amazing verbal incoherence. It’s hard enough for Americans to understand what the Golden Golem of Greatness is trying to say; imagine the torment of the translators untangling his tortured utterances!

I daresay that some of the American observers secretly wished that we could swap over Mr. Trump for Mr. Putin so as to have a national leader with some decorum and poise, but alas…. And one can’t help but wonder how Mr. Putin sizes up POTUS among his intimates inside the Kremlin. I’d love to be a fly on that wall.

The Helsinki summit meeting has the look of a turning point in Mr. Trump’s political fortunes. One irony is that he may escape his enemies’ efforts to nail him on any Russia “collusion” rap only to be sandbagged by financial turmoil as the dog days of summer turn nervously toward autumn. Events will cancel the myth that his actions as president have produced a booming economy. If anything, the activities that make up our economy have only become more vicious rackets, especially the war industries, with all their inducements to counter the imagined Russia threat.

The financial markets are the pillars of the fantasy that the US economy is roaring triumphantly. The markets are so fundamentally disabled by ten years of central bank interventions that they don’t express the actual value of any asset, whether stocks, or bonds, or gold, oil, labor, currencies, or the folly known as crypto-currency. We await the fabled “moment of truth” when the avenging angel of price discovery returns and shatters the illusion that accounting fraud equals prosperity.

The revelation that Mr. Trump is not an economic genius will spur a deeper dive by chimerical Democrats into nanny state quicksand. They will make the new fad of a Guaranteed Basic Income the centerpiece of the midterm election — even though many Democrats will not really believe in it. They are pretending not to notice how broke the USA actually is, and how spavined by unpayable debt. The lurking suspicion of all this is surely behind fantasies such as Russia attacked us, the displacement of abstruse and impalpable fear onto something simple and cartoonish, like the President of the United States.


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  1. BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 9:51 am #

    “CNN: Philip Mudd (Former FBI Advisor) Calls For Shadow Government to Oppose President Trump”
    youtube.com/watch?v=c7i0P44hgD4&t=5s

    “Philip Mudd: Someone is going to kill this guy”
    youtube.com/watch?v=6Nhs87aBbtw

    I thought the shadow government was not suppose to exist?

    • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 9:55 am #

      Classic Mudd for the gun grab! Look at him almost laugh at the 47-48 seconds mark.
      youtube.com/watch?v=BG0a04PX-zY&t=9s

      • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:08 am #

        A new troll. No real person picks a moniker like this. To see broken people all I need to go is walk by a homeless camp and wait for someone who should be on meds and who isn’t to walk by. I don’t need Mudd.

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:15 am #

          “I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, Sir, The duality of man, the Jungian thing, Sir!”

          youtube.com/watch?v=KMEViYvojtY

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:26 am #

            I suspect you are the guy doing the interrogation, not the private.

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:21 am #

          Don’t worry, K-Dog. I’ve been following this blog and the comments section for about 5 years. After finding those videos I decided to sign up for the Big Win!

          One way or another, think what you want. I know how things play here.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:34 am #

            Aww K-Dog. You’re like the hazing fraternity brother I never had.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:44 am #

            Five years silent and then someone starts commenting here? The human mind is a strange thing indeed. This shows a lot more than the duality of man. What made a mind unhinge after five years of peace? I have history here but without skin in the game I’d find better things to do.

            Does the big win still pay $45 an hour?

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 11:47 am #

            What makes you think I don’t have skin in the game? We all have skin in the game.

        • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 10:34 am #

          K-Dog, an old troll.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:53 am #

            Trolls can’t be identified. I can be, you can’t be. I’m real and you are not. I find it amusing how often I am accused of being a troll but since I’m not paid like trolls are or part of a team with epithets on their shoulders as some are here honorary troll is a program I can’t get behind.

            I”ll content myself by being the anti-troll but thanks for the offer shabbatroll. It is a warm fuzzy feeling to be wanted.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:57 am #

            Lord, I wish. I’d gang stalk you like you’ve talked about for $45 an hr.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:02 am #

            I’m sure you would.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:08 am #

            Enlisted trolls don’t get that of course.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 11:10 am #

            “There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy”

            I’m fundamentally a man who keeps to himself. Notice all I have done is put forth some slippage from the mainstream media and now I’m a troll. If Mudd can come out and say something about this “shadow government”, does this not perhaps imply that despite Trump’s many many many flaws, perhaps he is onto something with these notions of fake news? (Operation Mockingbird as it was once called).

            So you don’t like my username? So what? I thought of using PeaceBornToKill, but I figure this would separate the wheat from the chaff, all considered.

            This is Mr. Kunstler’s blog, not yours. This is his arena of discussion. I’ll only answer to him. If he has a problem with the username then he by all means can contact me and we’ll go from there. All said, I will be respectful poster, as long as I am not attacked unfittingly and you will come to see that. I am interested in what you folks have to say, including you K-Dog. Take a chill pill.

          • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 11:13 am #

            K-Dog, solipsist at large? The evidence:

            1. “I’m real and you are not.”
            2. “I can be (identified), you can’t be (identified).”
            3. “I’m not paid like trolls are”

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:22 am #

            Your points 1 and 2 are identical.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:33 am #

            I did not say I liked it and I did not say I didn’t like it. I only say it looks like a troll name as in ‘I’m hear to cause trouble and my name even says it.

            Slippage from the mainstream media can define a troll but you know that since you have been silently watching for five years. The role of a troll is to derail discussion and a good seeming benign tool to do that with is using the mainstream media.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 1:40 pm #

            The Born Identity. Well said, Sir. What did Christ say? I come to sow enmity between a son and his father. Not in peace, but with a sword.

          • Tate July 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm #

            “epithets on their shoulders” ?

            They have talking shoulders? Weird.

          • Farmer Joe July 23, 2018 at 2:46 pm #

            Janos,

            He also said, “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” John 13:34 KJV

          • aibohphobia July 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm #

            K-Dog,
            Slip of the pen becomes a brilliant insight, and a riddle;

            Q: How do you tell internet trolls from the military?

            A: The military have epaulets on their shoulders. Trolls have epithets on theirs…

          • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 12:07 pm #

            A Unicorn Riot reporter saw two out-of-place-looking men with baseball caps in the access aisle stare Brown down during his keynote interview, and in turn Brown recorded the men from stage on his phone. Brown showed Unicorn Riot a clip he had recorded of one of the same men monitoring him outside the venue on the street.

            There needs to be a serious conversation about the presence of FBI, Nazis, and private intelligence contractors at #HOPE, as well as the apparent approval of some of these individuals by certain HOPE security staff – which several of us have documented with audio and video.

            Come one come all. Brown, for those of you who do not know who his, is as Jimmy would say, experienced.
            — Barrett Brown (@BarrettBrown_) July 22, 2018

          • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 12:27 pm #

            Thank you aibohphobia.

            The military have epaulets on their shoulders. Trolls have epithets on theirs…

            An epithet is a byname, or a descriptive term, accompanying or occurring in place of a name.

            An epithet is not calling K-Dog, who is actually Keith a troll for instance. Trolls by definition do not have an identity so the term is not descriptive. Government trolls for example have identity. I have an identity as a real person and I’ll claim that identity. It’s mine.

            Here I once too was anonymous, but thanks to some external prodding directly as a result of me being here I’m not any more. That makes a bit of a legal issue with Homeland Security I suspect. Perhaps their on-line lackeys need more training. Real people, different rules. If that is true, I’m not the one that screwed up.

          • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 12:28 pm #

            Government trolls for example have no identity.

          • BornToKillPeace July 25, 2018 at 5:13 pm #

            K-Dog (or Keith),

            I have ZERO doubt that there would likely be government NSA trolls monitoring and perhaps commenting on this board to sway the dialogue. I don’t find your suspicion or paranoid or offensive outside of the skirmish we already had.

            Personally, I have a big problem with the NSA and there being 17 (that we know of) “intelligence” agencies. I have broadcasted my displeasure to friends and family for years about the NSA’s existence and what that might mean for our futures and mostly given up discussing it with people because no one seems to care.

            I also have a huge problem with constant war for the benefit of the military industrial complex. We need that money for social causes.
            Personally, I believe a majority of what occurs in this country is misinformation and disinformation.

            As to the username, I find Born to Kill / Peace to be a profound configuration as related in Kubrick’s film. It’s as simple as that.
            I find binary thought in a complex society to be absurd and there is a degree of the absurdist in my character. Sometimes the best option in life is to laugh. The username is a personal reflection of our collective dilemma being so absurd and dangerous.

            Keith, if you want to refer to me by my christian name, Paul, you may.

          • BornToKillPeace July 25, 2018 at 6:01 pm #

            ugh,

            I don’t find your suspicion paranoid or offensive outside of the skirmish we already had.

        • abbybwood July 23, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

          Off topic: Expert predicts oil to go to $400/barrel by 2020:

          washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/expert-makes-the-case-for-400-per-barrel-oil

          This was a headline at Drudge this morning. Besides Russia, Russia, Russia I figured plenty of folks would want to kick this can down the road (including our host).

          If this article isn’t an argument for having a massive train system linking all major American cities then nothing is.

      • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 10:33 am #

        “I can’t do it Wolf. I’m sorry.” Boo hoo.

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:44 am #

          I imagine the mic to the camera guy. “Cut..Cut…before he breaks character!”

          • elysianfield July 23, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

            BTKP,
            Well, a belated “welcome” to the site….

          • BornToKillPeace July 25, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

            Thanks ElysianField. : )
            Your username is certainly better than mine.

    • outsider July 23, 2018 at 12:34 pm #

      Now we have a CNN guest saying on worldwide TV that the government is going to assassinate the President – and he appears to be hoping for it. How much further will this sick nation fall until the streets are red with blood?

      • BornToKillPeace July 26, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

        Correction: CIA agent saying on worldwide TV…

  2. BackRowHeckler July 23, 2018 at 9:51 am #

    Also, his admitted clumsy handling of events in Helsinki might offer cover to any Republican or Blue Democrat Senators (are there any left? ) who are inclined to vote against this latest SCOTUS nominee. It’ll only take one vote to shoot it down.

    brh

    • Neon Vincent July 23, 2018 at 10:11 am #

      I think you mean Red State Democrats, and, yes, there are some left. The ones that come to mind and are up for re-election this year are Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, and, arguably, Bill Nelson of Florida and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. Nelson is stumping for the Puerto Rican vote by supporting a bill to make Puerto Rico a state, while Stabenow has the good luck not to face Kid Rock. Nelson is in a tight race, while very few people think Stabenow is in any danger. I personally consider John James, who lives a mile from me as the crow flies, will be a tougher opponent than many expect should he win the primary, but he’ll just make it close, not win.

      As for Blue State Republicans, there are two of those, Dean Heller of Nevada and Susan Collins of Maine. Heller won’t flip to save his seat, while her constituents should give Collins a waffle iron for a gift.

      • outsider July 23, 2018 at 12:46 pm #

        Maybe Kid Rock would have run, except that the #metwoers probably had 50 aggrieved women ready to attest that he had sexually assaulted them. Really, in today’s toxic environment, why would any white man (especially a Rock Star) put himself out there to be ridiculed, and possibly wind up in jail, by daring to run for public office?

  3. wm5135 July 23, 2018 at 9:56 am #

    Conjecture – Mr. Putin to his close assciates, “This guy really is the American in Chief”.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:11 am #

      Because he seems more like a comedian who is doing a bad impression of a Russian Oligarch to me. <- The missing part of the conversation.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 1:42 pm #

      Trump probably likes being misunderestimated. It throws his opponents off. Does one get to be so rich without having some smarts and gifts?

  4. BC_EE July 23, 2018 at 9:58 am #

    All one has to do is read/watch 1984 or Brazil to see the manipulation. That is, whom are we at war with now? Oceania? Whatever the big talking head tells us we are at war with. Same thing occurs in “V” for Vendetta.

    The real mystery for those external to the U.S. – including Canada – is how can the population elect someone that we wouldn’t even nominate to head up the community picnic? Although, the same has occurred in Ontario lately.

    That’s right folks. Ontario, (population same as a large U.S. state BTW), thought it best to elect the Brother Ford; Doug Ford that is, brother of the now deceased Rob Ford of Toronto mayoral and crack fame. In this case, there is very much guilt by association as Rob and Doug were a tag-team in Toronto City politics.

    To finish the “Idiot Suite”, recommend we get Trump to recommend the U.S. start irrigating crops with Gator-Aid. Hint, see Idiotocracy just in case there were any remaining doubts.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:14 am #

      Star Trek and the Klingons.

      Vut America qu’ again

      • PeteAtomic July 23, 2018 at 12:29 pm #

        I didn’t know you were bilingual lol

    • Exscotticus July 23, 2018 at 7:58 pm #

      >>> The real mystery for those external to the U.S. – including Canada – is how can the population elect someone that we wouldn’t even nominate to head up the community picnic?

      The alternative was Hillary. What’s not to get?

      And then Trump went and surprised everyone by actually keeping his campaign promises.

      And he continues to do so under the most withering media attack in American history. Obama let off the Great Recession banksters with a kiss and the media hardly blinked. Obama drone-killed a sixteen-year-old American from Colorado and the media yawned. Trump meets with Putin and the media freaks nonstop for nearly a week. Even Nixon didn’t experience anything like this.

  5. BackRowHeckler July 23, 2018 at 9:58 am #

    Guaranteed Basic Income and wide open borders, how do you think that’ll work out?

    If there are any hopeless, poverty stricken, oppressed 3rd world denizens who are not yet convinced to risk it all and attempt to crash into the US, Guaranteed Basic Income could be the clincher. Its even better than the coveted, golden EBT card!

    brh

    • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:03 am #

      Socialism and open borders is like working for one’s paycheck and after it gets deposited into your checking account, letting any Tom, Dick, or Harry walk into your bank and withdraw from it.

      • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 10:15 am #

        You work?

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 10:23 am #

          Yeah, when your elderly mother isn’t begging me to skip my shifts and come on over…for the Big Win!

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:01 am #

            Mission Accomplished. You just certified your trollness.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 11:52 am #

            Your question was dumb.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 1:44 pm #

            Shame on you Kdog. You deserved that. Is this guy me or are we just going to be Fuji and Tanaka in pro-Wrestling?

        • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 11:14 am #

          K-Dog, you don’t work. You troll.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 2:10 pm #

            Real life does get in the way.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 2:14 pm #

            The above is a link to a comment last week. The green may not be distinctive on your monitor. It is about work, and I’m mentioned. I think it is worth the trip, but then I would. 🙂

          • Tate July 23, 2018 at 5:15 pm #

            “Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.”
            — Proverbs 26:12

    • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 10:38 am #

      The Democrat party is dying off.

      • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 12:28 pm #

        The Democrat party is long dead and is now a rotting corpse. Good thing that Zombies are a popular meme. With the Republicans morphed into vampires, it looks like Hollywood has turned the entire political scene into a Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue regardless of what actors assume the roles.

      • outsider July 23, 2018 at 1:20 pm #

        The democrat party of the Working Man is dead. That’s why white working men have left it in droves. Problem is that they won’t find a friend with the republicans either – not as long as it works for the Chamber of Commerce and is for open borders. They have nowhere to turn except inward.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 1:46 pm #

          Yes, imagine: once upon a time there were Unions that saw illegals as the Scabs they are.

          • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 1:54 pm #

            Unions came into being and into power to outright abuse of working people by their greedy corporate masters. They achieved a lot of their goals before they became totally corrupted. Today, far too many American have accepted abuse by the masters as a way of life and we are now heading down the path of total subjugation. I cannot see it being stopped and certainly not reversed. Too many people actually WANT to be enslaved and will accept it as long as they are fed regularly and allowed to fornicate as they please.

          • malthuss July 23, 2018 at 7:16 pm #

            You see the book ‘200 Years Together’ is now a free download?

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 7:37 pm #

            Got a link, Malthus?

  6. PeteAtomic July 23, 2018 at 9:58 am #

    One of the ugly truths about our country is that it needs an external enemy to focus on so the boiling class and racial divisions can be glossed over by manufactured overseas threats.

    • shabbaranks July 23, 2018 at 10:39 am #

      Witness President Trump’s tweets with regard to Iran this morning. HE PUBLISHED THEM IN CAPS JUST IN CASE THE IRANIANS DON’T UNDERSTAND HIM.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

      Exactly. Which is why White Nationalists are just about the only People who both know the score AND who want to do the right thing with it. What you say is not a bug but a feature of human nature. Good thing, Bad thing – whatever. It IS. And on political and social systems must be based on Man as he IS not as idealists would have him be.

  7. davidreese2 July 23, 2018 at 10:03 am #

    Actually, I thought Mr. Trump did pretty well in Helsinki. He was truthful and direct. A refreshing change from previous summits.

    • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

      That is why so many Americans do not like Mr. Trump. They actually prefer deception and devious, NOT truthful and direct. They want to be lied to, remember Obama? Hard to believe, but somehow the diet of lies, deception and abuse has become the treatment that far too many Americans want. Looks like Colonel Jessup was right, Americans can no longer handle the truth.

    • Linda July 23, 2018 at 11:34 pm #

      I agree, davidreese2. I think President Trump did quite well.

  8. libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 10:09 am #

    The recent/current “leaders” were nothing more than “all-star can-kickers” JHK. But…they were better at doing that than I ever imagined. The odds have to be good that they can kick the can through November if their will is to do so.

    I saw a story today on how an “expert” is saying oil will be $400 a barrel by 2020…so I figure it’s going to be $50 a barrel by then probably. It’s becoming that ol’ adage…if you are reading about a stock you should buy in the news or hearing it from your friends and family, it’s probably a good time to think about selling, and vice versa…

    I agree with you entirely that the economy is a house of cards and has been (increasingly) for decades (I would say beyond 1913, then again 1964 and 71…and then the 90s going full tilt finantialization). But making a collapse prediction so “near term” is a very dangerous gambit for sure. Of course, one “near term” prediction will someday be right…because the sun shines on a dog’s ass every once in a while too.

  9. PeteAtomic July 23, 2018 at 10:09 am #

    The winners of of a new cold war with neotsarist Russia will be the permanent bureaucracy, the military industrial establishment, and the surveillance state run by the technician s of the 17 Intel agencies.

  10. Paulo July 23, 2018 at 10:12 am #

    Very good article/essay. From the outside looking in: Billy Bob Clinton was a corrupt sleazebag swindler and his wife an enabler. Bush Boys were tools for the insiders, and also enablers. Obama defended the US oligarchs and now we watch his minions rake it in. And Trump is basically a con man/idiot, most likely as corrupt as it appears. Release the tax returns and who funded his resurrection from Bankruptcy number 6? (Remember, the banks wouldn’t lend to him anymore).

    Obviously, with Citizens United the corruption of US Govt has passed the point of no return and is now complete. From US News and World Report (hardly left wing source), ” Of the $1 billion spent in federal elections by super PACs since 2010, nearly 60 percent of the money came from just 195 individuals and their spouses, according to the Brennan Center report. Thanks to Citizens United, supporters can make the maximum $5,200 donation directly to a candidate, then make unlimited contributions to single-candidate super PACs.

    Campaign reform advocates say the amount of money spent is not inherently a problem; rather, it’s the fact that a tiny number of extraordinarily wealthy individuals are bankrolling the majority of that spending. ”

    I’m with Bill Maher. The only hope is for the US to crash its corrupt economy and Govt. Perhaps then there is a possibility of unleashed anger and a call for reform. Trump seems to be well on the way to making this happen. I am sure the same result of collapse was inevitable regardless of what group of oligarchs won power in 2016, but Trump is consumed with failure, and displays at the same time a unique ability to convince a select few that he knows what he is doing. He manages to persuade a few dummies he is payin 3D chess, while he is simply playing with himself; all the while images of sugar plum porn stars dance in his head. No Donald, your parents didn’t love you, nor did your wives, and nor do your bedmates. It’s just about money and your inadequacies. And Failures.

    • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 10:30 am #

      The only way to end “lobbying” (legal bribery) is to reduce the power of the state to near zero. This is just logic. But I love the calls from the “smart people” to end it be “reversing Citizens United!”…as if TPTB wouldn’t just find other ways to sell the power they’ve swept up and paint it “legal” or hide it in some fashion altogether.

      But we are to believe that there is a benevolent class that will “enforce new laws on campaign finance” despite their self interests…if we just give them more power. Oooookkkkk O.o

      The problem with the statist mindset of the Marxist left and the pretend “liberals” (and to other degrees from the slightly more “right” variants as well) is that they will write tombs regarding the corruption/destruction of the world brought on by the wealthy and corporations who buy the leaders of centralized state systems to do their bidding over the last century or so without ever noticing the irony of their claimed “fixes”. It’s the massive centralization of the state, and the monopoly on force and violence it wields, that these wealthy/corporations are buying…not the other way around. Money is a means to an end…not the end. Power is what is bought.

      If there is no useful means to coerce people using the power of state, there is no incentive to “lobby” or need for “campaign finance reform”. So how could the answer be to have a bigger government to “stop the bribery”? It’s as if human nature is completely ignored because the worship of the state blinds people of the basic incentives of corruption that consolidating and growing the state induces.

      “Big government, WHICH WAS USED BY THE WEALTHY FOR THEIR OWN REWARDS, caused all these problems over the last hundred years…so to fix this, WE NEED A BIGGER GOVERNMENT!”

      Huh?

      • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 11:35 am #

        “Big government, WHICH WAS USED BY THE WEALTHY FOR THEIR OWN REWARDS, caused all these problems over the last hundred years…so to fix this, WE NEED A BIGGER GOVERNMENT!”

        Is the cognitive dissonance not incredible?? I get it how teenagers and folks in their early 20’s might fall for it. Idealism is wonderful and empowering. The problem being, an 18-22 yr old has not yet had the time to see how their idealism can and will fail them until it has played itself out for a number of years with consequences. I’m only 10 years away from them and I was the same way. Thank goodness I was able to finish college right before when the politically correct movement began to ascend. At least I got to date without micro-aggressions in circulation. (K-Dog, need my SS number for verification??)

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 12:01 pm #

          The primarily problem is that the youth care nothing for the past. I’ve taught high school history. 95% of (vocal) students make the claim that it simply does not matter to understand anything about the past. The 20th c. was such an acceleration of change that it seems too far away to them to realize that human nature does not move at nearly the same pace. History is fogged over for them. When the boomers pass away and I’m left alone with them, it will be frightening.

          • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 12:35 pm #

            I teach history as well (at the college level) and I know exactly what you’re saying. The “don’t get it” because few have ever been encouraged to believe that knowing history is useful…and actually are constantly being given bizarre, selective reinterpretations of history by 99% of the “faculty” I’m surrounded by so as to drive a cultural Marxist agenda instead of “informing”.

            Younger people aren’t being taught the tools to be able to think critically, they are being told “what to think” and it’s sold with emotional appeal almost exclusively.

            I too went through that “socialist phase” when I as in the 20-somethings. But I had apparently had enough actual foundational (dare I say “liberal” but in the classical sense) education in logic and history and economics, etc. etc. by honest intellectuals that the conclusions of the socialist “thinkers” always seemed to contradict themselves and logic/reality. At times they are wonderful critics of the mid 19th c to present historical events, throughout noting the incredible power of the largest political systems of the world to create chaos globally in the interests of the few…but they always confuse “money” with “power”…sure one can buy the other, but that arrangement alone should make obvious the difference in order of importance. They also ALWAYS either neglect or wish away the monopoly on legitimate force/violence that distinguishes the “state” from every other “powerful organization” in a society (corporations being their preferred deflection).

            “Global Corp X” did not start a war with “country X”, or use the CIA or whatever to overthrow “politician X” somewhere else on the planet…the government that controlled that “CIA” or that “Army” did and they had to make that happen. Sure politicians or their functionaries (or vice versa depending on where the real power lies in a political system at any given time) may have been bribed to do that, but they still had to agree to “pull the trigger” and they got to set the “price” for doing so.

            Seems basic actually…but still so many continue to believe that there is a way to create an ultra-powerful global (though they might start at a national level) government system that will “do the work of the people”, somehow have a means to weed out any pathological elements within them, and bring about a “global utopia”. It’s fascicle. And their own narratives of history contradict that outcome.

            “If the biggest governments in human history caused misery for the world over the last 150 years…how do you suppose a bigger government will fix it?” Not ONE socialist/Marxist “thinker” I’ve ever read has ever answered that question in any rational/honest/logical way.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 5:39 pm #

            Don’t discount the influence of Howard Zinn and his fellow travelers. Thanks to this malicious influence, they believe all of American History is unspeakably evil. Ditto the Western Culture. Ditto the White Race. Why study what is hopelessly dark and corrupt? They are the New Beginning who will trod all of it under their Eloi feet. Little do they know that the Morlocks are coming.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 6:29 pm #

            Education has been dismantled. Now we are left with…

            “Loyalty to the frailty of misdirection and emotional devastation
            The Keeper of all cerebral ricochet
            Goddess of the Electron Boomerang
            Of all that is feared
            There is no escape
            To overturn her fate
            So she drifts between never and disappointment”

            Often, I suspect Gurdjieff’s “food for the moon” or Charles Fort’s human cattle theory is about as good of an explanation as any for our predicament.

          • Walter B July 24, 2018 at 10:59 am #

            So BornToKillPeace, you are (or were) a teacher of history that tells us that the schools are now non-functional and that history and even the want to understand history is pretty much been removed from our culture? I cannot see how anyone who can say this can be even half bad, for understanding history is the key to success in life in just about every endeavor. Apparently those at the top are doing whatever they can to reduce the competition. Of course without any knowledge of history a person is not only starting out at whatever they do as unskilled AND inexperienced, but they can never even have any hope of understanding the truth through the lies that they are showered with by their greedy masters. I suppose it is a good plan if you are at the top, but it must really suck for those that buy into it. Look forward to seeing you around. Welcome.

          • BornToKillPeace July 25, 2018 at 5:26 pm #

            “Of course without any knowledge of history a person is not only starting out at whatever they do as unskilled AND inexperienced, but they can never even have any hope of understanding the truth through the lies that they are showered with by their greedy masters.”

            Walter B,
            They are as dead as a door nail. It has been a sincere eye opener for me these last two years. As regards to your quote above; I now know that this was the plan by our masters. I will be teaching this year, but after that I am getting out. Of course, if I am not fired for not being p.c. enough before the year is out.

            I want to thank you for your posts that I have read in the past and the struggles you are fighting. I wish there were more men as yourself in this country of ours. We would be a stronger and more fair people if this was so.

        • elysianfield July 23, 2018 at 2:53 pm #

          ” (K-Dog, need my SS number for verification??)”

          BTKP,
          ID card or armpit?

          (Sorry, I cannot help myself….)

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 4:08 pm #

            ElysianField – hahahahah. That was incredible. Well played. : )

          • K-Dog July 25, 2018 at 1:27 am #

            Yeah well, I’ll pass on the ass. I’m sure you have gas.

  11. thenuttyneutron July 23, 2018 at 10:19 am #

    I keep waiting for “the angel of price discovery” to return. I recently moved to the DFW area for a new job and can’t find any reasonably priced homes. The rent prices for a shit hole apartment are unbelievable. The rent that I am currently paying is the same that I am paying on my nice well built home in Ohio.

    I refuse to compete with morons willing to take out large loans to purchase shit boxes with a nice paint job. I have changed my strategy and will now focus on tax lein sales of vacant land. I will then build the house myself with my own labor.

    I found a nice 1 acre vacant lot that unfortunately did not get a bid when it first went to sale last year before I moved south. It is on the edge of a bluff that leads to the river bottoms of the Trinity river. The funny thing is, this lot only had a $20k opening bid and it over looks a luxury development in a flood plain where small lots sell for $100k or more.

    The only way to win is to not play the bullshit game with the banks. Like the run up to the 2008 market crash, the banks are poisoning the money supply with bad loans of speculation and no down payments.

    The tax lein sales are cash or certified check within 1 hour of winning the bid or you are in a lot of trouble with the law. This acts as a barrier in preventing stupid people from bidding the prices up.

    • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 1:06 pm #

      The real estate speculation game is the only thing left propping up the illusion that main street is solvent. Same problem where I live. A cool quarter million buys you a 40 or 50 year old run down “starter home” but the line starts at a full million for the chance to live in a “respectable” neighborhood of recent vintage. It’s all scam, of course, waiting for the last biggest fool to come along to get caught holding the bag.

  12. akmofo July 23, 2018 at 10:24 am #

    James, the S&P Railroad Index is breaking to new highs. That’s not an indicator of an economy in trouble.

    Anyway, the real conversation should be on the US gov mafia, and how it spawns and sponsors weaponized culture/architecture/living arrangement designed to atomize individuals by destroying families communities ethnic and national identities and thus the ability of the citizenry to resist and rebel against the condition of imperial oligarchy — a condition of centralization feudalism theft propaganda deceit intellectual debasement political/physical thuggery and general misery.

    • Ancianoloco July 23, 2018 at 1:58 pm #

      You probably missed this paragraph from JHK’s post above:

      “The financial markets are the pillars of the fantasy that the US economy is roaring triumphantly. The markets are so fundamentally disabled by ten years of central bank interventions that they don’t express the actual value of any asset, whether stocks, or bonds, or gold, oil, labor, currencies, or the folly known as crypto-currency. We await the fabled “moment of truth” when the avenging angel of price discovery returns and shatters the illusion that accounting fraud equals prosperity”

      Are you really asserting that the US gov mafia (your words) is manipulating everything BUT the S&P Railroad Index? That is the one “fact” you cling to for proof?

      Yes, another manipulated index is not an indicator of an economy in trouble… what about the rest of them? Feel free to read shadowstats.com or the BLS labor force participation rate. There are nuggets of truth even on a govt website.

      • akmofo July 23, 2018 at 4:38 pm #

        I didn’t miss anything. Healthy rail traffic is an indicator of a Healthy economy. If you can show that there’s a disconnect between actual rail traffic and the Index, I’ll be willing to accept the assertion of a disconnect. So far all I see is hyperbole.

        • malthuss July 23, 2018 at 7:14 pm #

          Not too long ago, the BDI was at its lowest ever.

          Baltic Dry Index.

          • akmofo July 24, 2018 at 10:41 am #

            That’s reflected in China’s failing stock market.

  13. Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 10:37 am #

    I can only imagine ordinary Russians’ delight as they watch the boorish behavior of our appointed Oaf in Chief, who must send them into flashbacks of their own Lord Falstaff, Boris Yeltsin, who loosely presided over the disintegration and free fall of their own fair land at the hands of the rapacious capitalist attack dogs of the early 90’s, unleashed by the cravenly opportunistic Clinton gang, the remnants of which, like a particularly bad hangover, remain with us still. Funny how things have come back around on themselves in such a short period of time. So much for the feverish dreams of the glorious “New American Century,” eh?

    One has to wonder who the American Putin (a truly wise and benevolent leader, who actually puts the common good before personal profit) might eventually be, or indeed, if such a leader is even possible in a land so completely brainwashed as to the wisdom of unbridled greed and avarice. Personally, I think the US missed its chance at redemption in the 90’s and is now, foot firmly glued to the floor on the accelerator pedal, a slow motion trainwreck in progress.

    So in the end, the nuclear genie that the US unleashed in the 40’s and the Russians followed up with shortly later, rather than “saving the world for [fill in misguided political/economic ideology here],” ended up wrecking both economies, but fittingly, actually rewarded the one who had the good sense to blink first. The USA? Still blind and stupid as ever and headed for a comeuppance of truly epic proportions.

    • JustSaying July 23, 2018 at 10:47 am #

      Yes, the USA certainly does look like the USSR before it imploded.

      • Ancianoloco July 23, 2018 at 2:06 pm #

        Except, I believe the Russian people were far better equipped to endure the consequences of their collapse.

    • Bill7 July 23, 2018 at 10:48 am #

      A fine post, though I take mild exception to the “slow motion trainwreck…” part. It’s starting to feel faster than that, to me. 😉

      • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 10:54 am #

        True, but we’re witnessing the tail end (hopefully!) of the much longer process at this point.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:46 am #

      One has to wonder who the American Putin (a truly wise and benevolent leader, who actually puts the common good before personal profit) might eventually be, or indeed, if such a leader is even possible in a land so completely brainwashed as to the wisdom of unbridled greed and avarice. Personally, I think the US missed its chance at redemption in the 90’s and is now, foot firmly glued to the floor on the accelerator pedal, a slow motion trainwreck in progress.

      In America a truly wise and benevolent leader won’t be considered smart enough or tough enough to get the job done. We have a bad habit of getting the president we deserve and while it is hard to admit, it hurts, America deserves Trump. In spades.

      Yes, the chance for redemption was missed. Partly I think from an unfounded belief that there could be a second chance later and that it would be OK to wait until people started dropping like flies. But Ol’ Scratch you have to know this better than anyone here. Your quill must have signed countless blood contracts back then and you should be redeeming a lot of those contracts any time now. They had their fun and now it is time to pay.

      • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 12:03 pm #

        Well said K-Dog.

        • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 12:26 pm #

          Thank You.

          • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 4:13 pm #

            Don’t mention it, Dog. I’m only here to paw at the truth and bring to light lies and misdirection buried all over the land like so many bones. We are in this together.

      • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 12:59 pm #

        Yes indeed, K-Pup. Bad choices do have a bad habit of biting us at the least opportune moments. Especially when we double down on those same bad choices over and over again.

      • outsider July 23, 2018 at 1:59 pm #

        I like Trump one day and the next day he scares me to death. But, if not Trump, who? The 15 Russiaphobic establishment neocons (excluding Rand Paul) whom Trump easily defeated in the primaries? Or Hillary the Crook? At least with Trump, the country could get a little better, or perhaps much, much worse. With Hillary the only direction would have been down, down, down. Yes, I’m a proud deplorable.

        • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 2:44 pm #

          Agreed. He was the best choice out of a whole lot of bad ones.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm #

        The Media would crucify any Putin who arose here. Simply because he’s willing to do what needs to be done. That meant driving the alien Moneychangers out. Or putting enemies in prison. And it meant and means killing people who need killing. How much of this could our dumbed down, rabid and psychically violent pacifists accept? None of it. Of course they accept violence from the right people – whomever the Media designate as legitimate rulers – savages like Hillary or Obama for example.

  14. trolleybill July 23, 2018 at 10:44 am #

    There should be no sensible American not to be thankful that Donald J. Trump was elected. Out of the 16 (R) candidates he beat can you imagine anyone of them winning the presidency and Hillary would now be president. Oh My! perish the thought of what would be happening now in our country and the world. Lordy we have so many issues that Jim and I have being within year in age have followed for many decades like energy, environmental and economic issues. Many of us know that we need the infrastructure for light and heavy passenger rail service now or will be SOL when the next energy shortage hits. Jim put it as the Bulgarians would be ashamed of our current passenger rail service and also we missed the boat on high speed rail being so car centric of a nation. The issues the (D) leftist or socialist party is today as there no longer liberal is that of riding immigration for one reason only and using the shield of compassion lies is future voters and bigger government for all the social needs they will create. Jim said it and many of us know it were broke and this plan will destroy us

    • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 10:50 am #

      Indeed! He’s serving his highest purpose as a deep state wrecking ball very admirably so far. I would be worried about his health if he keeps it up much longer, though. The knives are being brandished openly now.

    • sprawlcapital July 23, 2018 at 11:48 am #

      Bill–

      I am in the same age range as you. Earlier this month I turned the same age as JHK. In October, he will again be, numerically, a year older than me. I have been a witness to the building of I-235, the freeway through Des Moines, and the destruction of land by sprawl “development” that was the result. Also the complete loss of passenger rail service. Your observations are no doubt similar.

      Isn’t it a supreme irony that San Francisco still has electric trolley cars, and even electric trolley buses, yet has fallen into the sanctuary city pit? Wisdom and foolishness coexisting.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

        Leftists are cornocopians, willing and eager to take any millions of unassimilables even though we can’t take care of the people we already have. This sentimentality also manifests in love for certain aspects of the past, like trolley cars or marching bands (non military).

    • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 1:21 pm #

      I’m thankful you wrote that…so I didn’t need to 😉 .

      As much as DJT (the person) personifies much that is wrong with this nation, he somehow became the only viable option as an antidote to at a significant manifested danger within it…and that is the “Deep Culture” (I just use Comey’s choice of words now…jajjajajja).

      From the beginning his campaign caused the charade of the “left/right paradigm” to be revealed, and it only seems to continue to be exposed exponentially by the day.

      One wonders if he even realizes what he’s doing? I think so…as I suspect he’s not nearly as “dumb” as “intellectuals” wish him to be, and his ego is only clearly matched by that of the status quo that loathes him so….fun to watch.

      Without his ego, he wouldn’t have won (probably wouldn’t have finished his campaign even). And despite his ego, I had to vote for him too. Truly a strange time we live in friends.

  15. JustSaying July 23, 2018 at 10:45 am #

    Putin does look like the adult in the room.

    As for the “Guaranteed Basic Income”, where exactly would these funds come from? Do we currently have a Federal agency for dispersing these funds?

    • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 10:53 am #

      Yeah, they’re called the Fed and the IRS. Guaranteed Income only applies to the wealthy and the politically connected, though. Commoners need not apply.

      • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

        Yes Scratch, the IRS is already dispersing payments for the “affordable Health Care” plans through Oscar. I was quite surprised to see that since premium payments qualify as tax “credits”, the IRS will make monthly payments for the subscribers or return something like 80″ of the full premiums if paid monthly by the subscribers at tax time. Your choice.

    • Gonga Din July 23, 2018 at 1:13 pm #

      I would say Trump looked like the yound dog who was seeing a coiled (Putin) rattlesnake for the first time. You can take the man out of the KGB, but I doubt you can take the KGB out of the man. The skills you learn young are the skills that define you.

      • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 4:17 pm #

        “I would say Trump looked like the hound dog who was seeing a coiled (Putin) rattlesnake for the first time.”

        Oh, that is good.

  16. Elrond Hubbard July 23, 2018 at 11:02 am #

    JHK: “The allegation that Russia “hacked” Hillary’s email and the DNC server is so far without evidence”.

    Actually, we now have lots of evidence since the DOJ entered its indictment last week — the full text is right here. Anyone can read it if they want to take the time. It names twelve individuals, members of Russian intelligence, and provides lots ‘n’ lots of crunchy details.

    If your eyes glaze over at the sight of many pages of legalese, may I suggest giving a listen to Episode 672 of the Security Now! podcast:

    grc.com/securitynow.htm#672

    Skip forward to 1h 26min to listen to just the part where they get into the pretty extensive computer-forensic evidence trail. Check the show notes for a condensed version of some of the info from the indictment. As someone who’s reasonably comfortable with tech talk, you can take my word that it’s all quite legit and hangs together very well. (In fact, the fact that the U.S. government has this much information about people’s activities on the Internet is quite scary, in ways we all understand pretty well. But at any rate, this gives every appearance of being legitimate info.)

    JHK: “[C]omputer forensics strongly suggests that the information was transferred onto a flash-drive on its journey to Wikileaks.”

    The idea that the information was copied onto a flash drive, and that this means it was leaked by an insider and not via Russian intelligence, is based on the time stamps of files on either end of the connection. Supposedly the time stamps establish that the time taken to copy the information was too short to go over the Internet; only a local USB connection to a flash drive would be fast enough. I’m increasingly dubious about that objection. For one thing, different computers’ clocks can be out of sync with one another. For another, real-life Internet connections actually can be that fast. Like mine, for instance — I have fiber to the home, so the limiting factor when I download something is pretty much always at the other end. If both the DNC and the Russians had fast connections, it’s completely possible for the transfer to go at a speed that looks like a USB connection.

    Let’s also not forget that the Russians had remote access tools (RATs) installed on PCs right inside the DNC’s network. The copy could have been made over the internal network to a compromised computer, thus accounting for the time stamps, then exfiltrated later by the Russians. On balance I think there’s good evidence that it really was the Russians, not an internal leaker, who released the DNC e-mails. (Did they also hack the GOP’s servers? If so, they didn’t see any advantage in releasing their information as they did with the Democrats’.)

    • sprawlcapital July 23, 2018 at 11:25 am #

      So Trump could have simply said the evidence is clear that the Russian government hacked the DNC; that this is unacceptable and must never happen again.

      Then the never Trumpers would still have attacked, but it would have been in calm voices, not hysterical screams.

      • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 12:22 pm #

        I’m not sure. It would of been seen as an admission of guilt by association. For one thing, the folks on the coast (generalizing) don’t understand how there is an entire middle of the country that could of even voted for him. I’m located in the mid-west and not in a large city, so it was by no means far-fetched to me when he did win. I already knew that Trump had it locked up in my state so I did not vote (didn’t want the “blood” on my hands). Nonetheless, I’m glad he won after hearing Clinton talk about her no-fly zone over Syria. That was my one issue, honesty. I already have too many friends who have served overseas and resent them having been put in dangers way. (Yes, they volunteered, but there is this thing called the poor persons draft). I sure as hell don’t want them to have to go back, or get myself drafted for something as fubar as what that would of implied in action, i.e. WW3.

        • Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

          It would of been seen as …………

          as what that would of …………

          ==============

          An all to common mistake, BTKP

          would HAVE

          or

          would’ve

          • BornToKillPeace July 25, 2018 at 5:30 pm #

            Thanks Q. Following about 25 minutes of computer usage the eyes glaze over. The flickering of the screen puts the mind in a light trance.

      • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 1:48 pm #

        Sprawl, don’t you understand that there is no longer any such thing as “evidence” or “proof”? Besides the fact that anything done on a computer can be easily denied or written off as “photoshopped”, CGI, or simply because computerland provides debunking for ANY subject, denial trumps all accusations. It is an old organized crime ploy and it works. Deny everything and doubt will always exist, therefore truth can never be publically accepted. Besides, today people flat out refuse to believe anything that they don’t want to believe in the first place, or simply don’t give a damn. It’s over baby, we need the Fat Lady.

        • michael July 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm #

          Did maybe you mean we need “Fat man”, he sings louder still?

    • JustSaying July 23, 2018 at 12:12 pm #

      I do believe William Binney has better credentials!

      baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html

      …On balance I think there’s good evidence that it really was the Russians, not an internal leaker, who released the DNC e-mails…

      Please show me the evidence. I haven’t seen any so far. How can anyone believe the DOJ given their track record on this case.

      • Elrond Hubbard July 23, 2018 at 1:58 pm #

        JS: “Please show me the evidence.”

        Dude. I linked directly to the indictment. Here’s the link again, for your reading pleasure:

        justice.gov/file/1080281/download

        If you don’t have what it takes to evaluate evidence when it’s handed to you, then I can’t help. I don’t do fiery letters in the sky.

        • Bruce E July 23, 2018 at 2:33 pm #

          No matter what you show them, it won’t be enough. You can have Trump on video getting cash handed to him in a briefcase by Putin himself, saying that this is in exchange for his help in repealing or de-fanging the Magnitsky Act and oh-by-the-way our analysis says this money would be best spent doing these sorts of things in these specific precincts in Pennsylvania, with prostitutes in the background peeing on the bed, and they’d say, “oh that could mean anything — total photoshop… fake news!”

          Meanwhile the federal government cut a check to Trump’s resort in Scotland for $77k so he could golf there a day or two before the Helsinki summit with Putin, and that’s all public knowledge that nobody even bats an eye at…

        • JustSaying July 24, 2018 at 8:18 am #

          Not a dude, dude!

          Try to see the bigger picture here:

          consortiumnews.com/2018/07/23/moon-strzok-no-more-lisa-page-spills-the-beans/

        • JustSaying July 24, 2018 at 8:27 am #

          Right up there with the Warren Commission. Won’t waste my time.

          The last article by the late, great Robert Parry:

          consortiumnews.com/2017/12/13/the-foundering-russia-gate-scandal/

        • marcus1 July 24, 2018 at 9:39 am #

          What Bruce said, most of the idiots on this site want gossip and entertainment, as long as it feeds their prejudices. Yes Virginia rationality and evidence is real, regardless what you’ll hear from crusty old curmudgeons.

          But the rumors and conspiracy theories are so fun. And their adherents so funny. “I’ll have two Popes in the pizzas to go. “

    • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 1:32 pm #

      You have to admit the “investigators” never directly explain why their “assumptions” (because they are assumptions as you noted with your list of possible reason why it might not have required a flash drive) are better than actual examples of “conclusive evidence” they would have gathered if they had actually examined the DNC server, AND they never give a good reason why they gave deference to the DNC “analysts” (Crowdstrike) and the DNC refusal to give up their server given the supposed “enormity” of the event (the “hacking” they are claiming).

      Those are really big “benefits of the doubt” they (and you here) are asking all of us to give the FBI/CIA/DOJ etc. etc. especially in the context of the partisanship their past leadership (who was active when all those choices were made) have expressed…and continue to express almost daily still on TWITTER FFS.

      These were not objective investigations.

      And…well…Seth Rich of course. And why not see what a “Kimdotcom” has to tell you Mueller. Why not? Why not at least respond?

      There are reasons not to at least find out what evidence he supposedly has…but those reasons don’t encourage most of us to believe the tortured narrative that allows it to all have been a “Russian hack” unfortunately.

      When you lose legitimacy, as the “Deep Culture” has (Comey’s words…not mine 😉 )…it will take awhile to get it back, and maybe never. And that’s actually a rational response given their behavior.

    • Exscotticus July 24, 2018 at 7:35 pm #

      >>> The copy could have been made over the internal network to a compromised computer, thus accounting for the time stamps

      Lots of things could have happened, but the most plausible explanation remains a USB thumb drive, a local copy, an inside job.

      From our POV who cares? What was leaked–DNC collusion to subvert a primary election for Hillary–is far more important than how it was done. Whoever did it did us a favor and should be celebrated.

  17. sprawlcapital July 23, 2018 at 11:08 am #

    . . . amazing verbal incoherence.
    ==========================

    I said recently that if Trump had even a minimal command of the English language, he could rank with Jefferson and Lincoln.

    I realize now that was a wild overstatement. However, if Trump could speak like an educated adult, he could rank with Nixon. Who knows, his fate may be similar to that of Nixon.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 11:12 am #

      Aaron Burr?

      • DurangoKid July 23, 2018 at 11:25 am #

        There probably weren’t many presidents as smart as Richard Nixon. The problem is smart isn’t enough.

  18. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 11:19 am #

    Boris Yeltsin, who loosely presided over the disintegration and free fall of their own fair land == Scratch

    Don’t you say things you know nothing about, Scratch!

    My father directly worked for President Yeltsin when he was a manager of a large civil construction company in Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg).

    Mr. Yeltsin is undoubtedly a tragic figure in Russian History of the Shakespearian scale, but he was no fool or drunk, and a real Russian patriot.

    He had to play fool for awhile to prevent planned by the West disintegration of the Russian Federation, the way they took USSR into spare parts, and the process had already started from Chechnya and almost spread to ‘Independent Republic of Urals” which had an impudence to even print their own currency.

    Sometimes I wonder if president Trump took a page from President Yeltsin playbook.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 11:34 am #

      What was the name of that funny guy in Shakespearean play who had to play fool to restore Justice in his Homeland?

      Oh, yes – Prince Hamlet!

    • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 2:49 pm #

      Finc,

      Maybe you can argue the point of Yeltsin being a fool, but the evidence is pretty strong that he was a drunk. All in contrast to Putin, who is clearly neither. I have a hard time imagining that Putin would have given the Wall St vultures and Russian oligarchs a green light to rape, loot, and plunder; collapse or no collapse.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 3:24 pm #

        I have a hard time imagining that Putin would have given the Wall St vultures and Russian oligarchs a green light to rape, loot, and plunder

        You would with the nuclear gun at the Russia’s temple.

        • Ol' Scratch July 23, 2018 at 3:55 pm #

          They had just collapsed, old boy! The US wasn’t about to go nuking anyone at that point. Not when the place was just lying there ready to be carved up by the most avaricious. Now 25 years later the shoe’s on the other foot, with the Chinese getting first dibs on all the choice US properties. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving country.

  19. robert magill July 23, 2018 at 11:29 am #

    To spend any time debating the Russia/USA sideshow is time poorly spent if real world understanding is the goal. Gore Vidal said(roughly) “Russia and USA are the two denizens of the North who can’t build a car anyone wants to buy.”  So why do serious people, i.e. not the talking heads or profiteers of the new cold war, feed this fire at all?
    Today’s ‘ really hot’ current events are 90% gossip at best. Spend the time you save learning Mandarin instead. 

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 12:07 pm #

      My theory is that the confusion of Trump is causing a lot of moneyed opponents of Trump to make a lot of money. This moved all their opposition into never-never land. They want him gone, but just not yet. Thus Trump is attacked in a way that can’t harm him.

      It is backlash in the gears. Trump creates no real wealth but his mere presence is enough to trigger irrational exuberance. Add to that the relaxation of regulation and the appointment of wrecking ball directors to agencies he wants to shut down and American business sees a chance to make bank. Blue bank / red bank it does not matter because the money is green in both banks. Sodom and Gomorrah, Republicans and Democrats, Red and Blue. I suggest equivalences. Not total, only resemblances but the rhyme is there. The resemblance being the rape of the nation.

      The easy way to say it is the party of rich people which has two factions, Republican and Democrat, all like Trump. Trump unleashes the hounds of Empire and has Joe Six Pack snookered. If you have a seven figure or more bank account, what is not to like?

      I’ll pass on the Mandarin.

      • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 2:06 pm #

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  20. lost-in-north-dakota July 23, 2018 at 11:29 am #

    First-term Republican Presidents tend to start wars to help with their re-election:
    Reagan —> Grenada
    G.H.W. Bush —> Kuwait
    G.W. Bush —> Iraq
    Trump —> Iran?
    Time will tell, I guess, but definitely the Trump and his Administration are talking like they want to bomb Iran.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 11:38 am #

      Time will tell, I guess, but definitely the Trump and his Administration are talking like they want to bomb Iran

      … which most likely means that they already have a deal in the making brokered by Putin, no less

      You can’t sell shit to American People unless you pump up their high opinion of themselves and the strength of their Armed Forces.

      • PeteAtomic July 23, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

        Just watch MSM for that. When CNN gets the retired general on to discuss wars and they repeat stories about the foreign bad guys then you know something gonna happen soon.

    • PeteAtomic July 23, 2018 at 12:19 pm #

      Ya we gonna bomb somebody. It won’t be Russia. Probably some country we’ve been weakening for decades and has poor anti aircraft capabilities.

      • Georges1202 July 23, 2018 at 12:59 pm #

        Always more fun for the world’s sole hyperpower (has there ever been a more asinine label) to rough up those who can’t fight back.

        Trump, arch fucking ignoramus that he is, will probably recall an ancient memory of seeing ‘Wag the Dog’ and go after Albania.

        • FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 3:26 pm #

          Not Albania, Montenegro.

  21. wm5135 July 23, 2018 at 11:38 am #

    As far as the UBI where does all currency in the modern world come from? Debt. And what is debt? A claim on future productivity. Those who hold the most currency hold the largest claim on your grandchildren’s productivity. These same holders of debt are hell bent on assuring that your grandchildren will never be able to repay their indenture. Greed is a peculiar thing, My favorite nursery rhyme was that of the little dog who looked into a pond from a small bridge and dropped his bone into the water in an attempt to get the larger bone reflected in the pond. Outcome – no bone. I learned the lesson, the masters of the universe did not.

    Our grandchildren would be better off with the debt of UBI in publicly held debt than in the privately held debt that enslaves the unborn already. Our future is on the hook for debt they will derive no benefit from, might as well be in debt to themselves than some international compendium of greed.

  22. Walter B July 23, 2018 at 12:06 pm #

    Yes America was “attacked” once again, at least by today’s standards of what qualifies as an “attack”, which is by some idiot on a magic box squeaking out the words between ads for erectile dysfunction or feminine hygiene products. It almost makes a soul long for the good old days when in order for the omnipotent leaders to pull off grand deception they had to blow up a battleship or shoot an archduke to whip up the peasants into sending their children off to suffer and die. Nowadays all it seems to take is an abusive marketing campaign, perhaps because bringing down Manhattan skyscrapers requires far too much planning and expense. Sure was effective though, wasn’t it?

    My guess is that the SJW’s, now that they think they hold sufficient power or at least sway, are convinced that all they have to do is order the Common American Idiots to do their bidding mindlessly. I have no doubt that they can, but the question remains, are there enough CAI’s out there to be goaded into the program? Or, does it really matter if there are? What a place, what a time. Our “technologies” seem to be succeeding in reducing us all to actual mindless pawns in the game of policy and politics and have the nation thrashing about as chaotic as the vehicular traffic nightmare in the aftermath of a Taylor Swift concert. We may not have any idea of how long we have before it all stops dead in its tracks, but at least we can be assured that it will not be getting better any time soon. Try to find a little solace in that if you can. Good luck.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 12:16 pm #

      How was the concert?

      • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 12:35 pm #

        Actually I dropped the wife and daughter off at MetLife Stadium and then went cruising around Patterson Plank Road and through Hackensack visiting the places I used to work many years ago. I stopped on Route 17 for a late supper and then picked the girls up when the event was over. They loved it but I had to duke it out for an hour and a half in the absolute worse clusterfuck of traffic gridlock I ever saw due to piss poor “planning” and bad management, before I reached the lot they were waiting in. Only the insane would put themselves through such motorized madness. I kept thinking of Jim and his “appreciation” of our vehicular morass and saying to myself, “Yup, Jim’s right alright”!

        • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 5:57 pm #

          You should have put your wife on the back of the bike and your daughter in the sidecar.

          • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 6:38 pm #

            I would not own a motorcycle with a sidecar unless it had an MG-42 mounted on it.

    • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 12:16 pm #

      How was the concert?

      • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 12:19 pm #

        That was weird. First attempt got lost, then the second attempt showed both. Duplicate posts are supposed to be stopped by software but a race condition apparently resulted. A fluke.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 5:58 pm #

          Race? Did someone say Race?

  23. janet July 23, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

    Russian GRU hacking into federal political servers … and state voting machines in 21 states … is just proof of concept. Russian government cyber actors can go after government entities and U.S. critical infrastructure like energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.

    Then what will JHK say? “But what-about what we do?” Except he’ll be saying it to himself in a cold dark space with no internet or phone service. And Putin will have won.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The White House has eliminated the position of cyber security coordinator after President Donald Trump’s first appointee for the job departed last week …

    What could go wrong? Or, what couldn’t not go wrong?

    • JohnAZ July 25, 2018 at 12:15 pm #

      Wow, Janet. We agree on something! The number one issue with all this cyberspace BS is that this country has allowed itself to become dependent on the cyberworld for everything. And now the oncoming generations will have no idea what to do without the silly little smartphone in their hand. Just got back from a cruise to Italy and I was appalled at the misuse of cell phones over there. By misuse I mean the exemption of social discourse between people by crawling into their phones. Any way, you are right on with your assertion that Russia showing its expertise with the internet is the biggest threat this nation has faced, bigger than the Cold War. And do not forget NOKO and China. Everyone on CFN knows that a future destruction in on JHK’s agenda, however cyber space may make the decline possible without Peak Oil, pandemics, water shortages etc. Oh by the way, saw on FBN that MS and Google may try to grab the data base for the oil industry. Gives me goosebumps to hear that.

      Anyone notice that the Deep State, the crime jockeys in DC, started at about the same time as the Internet. Or at least it enabled their ascent into power with the crown jewel being the NSA. Folks, we are beyond 1984.

  24. “Trolling on Facebook is not an attack on the nation. ”

    But it is.

    It was directed by foreign militaries for strategic reasons to undermine our democracy, to weaken us.

    These very well documented belligerents engaged in strategic sabotage of a system (our elections) that is totally dysfunctional.

    In theory election systems could be made airtight with off-the-shelf technology but it would require the cavemen- and -women of the congress, senate, and presidency to fix it… And they are far too corrupt to take on a project like that.

    The public is far too stupid, unaware, and uninformed to do anything about it.

    • Georges1202 July 23, 2018 at 1:03 pm #

      You refer to ‘the public’ as if you are standing outside it. Always have to laugh at that one.

      • I’ve been a keen observer of “The public” for 30 years.

        I am totally confident of my assessments of it. (and to be honest I pretty much stand outside it in many respects)

        I don’t live in the sticks getting my kicks through the internet. I am out and mingling with diverse cross sections of “the public” everyday. I “hob-nob” with millionaires and homeless street addicts and everything in between.

        • Georges1202 July 23, 2018 at 1:26 pm #

          However you still don’t really consider yourself a part of the public, do you?

          Would it surprise you at all if ‘the public’ was observing you from a great height and consider YOU ‘the public’

          That would rub you the wrong way, wouldn’t it?

          • Pretty pathetic troll, Georgie.

          • Georges1202 July 23, 2018 at 2:05 pm #

            Your fatuous handle pretty much says it all.

            Please tell us what it is like up there, breathing the rarefied air of the superior.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 6:00 pm #

            Well said, George. Life is not a novel with an omniscient narrator. People who are too good to have loyalties aren’t good people.

      • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 1:25 pm #

        Indeed Georges, there are those who stand “outside” just as there are shepherds and sheep dogs outside the sheep and of course the wolves prowling about in the shadows. Standing outside the flock does not imply distain for the sheep, for there is much value in the flock. They do, however need to be guided, cared for and guarded lest they be consumed by those that prey upon them. It also does not mean that anyone is better than the sheep, they only assume different roles. All must work in harmony for the system to work properly.

        • Georges1202 July 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm #

          Oh, bullshit Walter – you can do better than that.

          • Is Georgie’s basic conceit a resentment against the possibility of a higher-level perspective?

          • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

            Thanks for the vote of confidence, but the shepherd, sheepdog, sheep paradigm is one that a good friend of mine loves to deploy though he does it better than I do. I have always been a “path less trodden” man myself and though I can mingle in with the herd from time to time, I am seriously out of place. I am no shepherd, to be sure, for when I stand before the crowd (which I do from time to time because of my position) I am not taken well. The herd wants lullabies, fairy stories to relax them into sleep and I do not do this. I have spent going on five decades planning, preparing, and implementing solutions before problems occur and that is not a popular task. Outside the masses is where I and those like me belong. The difficulty is in continuing to care for them, for once we despise them, we can not longer serve them, despite the bad examples in our state’s and nation’s capitols.

          • 100th Avatar July 23, 2018 at 3:46 pm #

            No. SeaWolf77, AKA Georges’ conceit is anal-fixation and a disturbing visceral hatred of Trump.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 23, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

            Yes, Democracy is a sham. The ignorant masses are sheep to be lead and cared for. If you refuse, they will be lead to the slaughterhouse by Wolves in Shepherd clothing.

    • JustSaying July 23, 2018 at 1:53 pm #

      Optical scanners are pretty decent for capturing votes. Software systems can be created to insure better safeguards.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_scan_voting_system

      As for undermining our democracy, I think the domestic crew is extremely adept.

    • elysianfield July 23, 2018 at 3:16 pm #

      “But it is.”

      The birds do it, the bees do it, even educated fleas do it….

      Debs,
      All countries do it. It is so common that the defense community describes internet intrusions as “common espionage”. Protocols are currently being discussed between nations to limit the truly existential from the mundane.

      What occurred during the election cycle is…incredibly mundane…the electrical grid going down, another matter entirely.

    • Elrond Hubbard July 23, 2018 at 4:28 pm #

      Li’l Truthy: “In theory election systems could be made airtight with off-the-shelf technology”.

      Not exactly high technology, either. Hand-marked paper ballots, counted by hand, in public — that’s the gold standard for clean elections. Complicating the voting process with machinery does nothing more than introduce unnecessary opportunities for shenanigans (and unfortunately we are using machinery where I live, darn it).

  25. Luhrenloup July 23, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

    Trump has given us one true contribution:
    Many in America are now “woke” to the MSM’s propaganda machine.
    i don’t think he’s ignorant, but definitely a man of few (unfortunate) words. Is he better or worse than W? A toss-up. That the populace finally woke up to the game in DC where they were all getting rich and the country was sliding toward 3rd world status offers some hope. Think of Obama, to his last days in office, asserting that the country was in fine shape and urging a vote for La Clinton to continue his legacy.
    Trump is not stupid, but he definitely lacks style and diplomatic chops. Some excuse his boorish behavior on the world stage as what’s needed to achieve much needed economic balance. Diplomacy works just as well if used correctly. I believe he is genuinely trying to shore up the economy, but too late now. A major revolution in priorities is needed for that to occur and that will only happen when bottom is reached. Hopefully, Trump will slow the downward trajectory a bit.

    • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 1:39 pm #

      Much better than W for sure…Obama was a continuation of W in nearly all important terms. And his later speech attacking Trump was just a miserable display not even helping (ironically) the “cause” it was then obvious he was a part of either.

      But you are right on many things IMO. I wonder if would have “got out the vote” he needed had he spoke more eloquently? It’s a fair question I think.

      The exposure of the mockingbird press has accelerated rapidly under Trump. People underestimate the importance of that I think…with respect to providing an environment where meaningful and useful “change” can finally occur.

  26. tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 1:58 pm #

    According to the cover of Time magazine, Trump is well on his way turning into Putin. The wish for such a transformation, partial or complete, probably lurks here in the hearts of many. Is it a wish that should be fulfilled?

    Trump might be capable of being the benevolent dictator, solving our problems quickly, fairly and peacefully, but it’s an unsettling, dangerous, and highly unlikely possibility.

    So we remain mired in the mephitic Left-Right muck endlessly spinning out wheels.

    Make mo mistake. Putin is a tyrannical killer. The full nature of the Trump-Putin relationship is not yet known, but it’s highly suspect. Notions of Putin being the strong leader saving his nation and restoring its glory can take on a romantically delusional and deadly air. An air that the Russian people and we may soon choke on.

    Putin should be stopped. Put on the take out menu. Whacked. Hung in the public square. Burnt at the stake.

    We already know about his dozen or so murders. The following further indicates that Trump is dancing with the Devil, and may just get more than his feet stepped on:

    youtube.com/watch?v=XgMS1kPW7NU

    youtube.com/watch?v=EQwe1AnCMpU

    • Unlike Putin, though, Trump is not wholly aligned and vertically integrated with his military/intelligence apparatus.

      • tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

        Right on, and how I often wish he was.

    • tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

      our, no

    • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm #

      Did anyone see the recent cover of The New Yorker? Some say it’s a veiled message of his eventual assassination.
      newyorker.com/culture/cover-story/cover-story-2018-07-30

      • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 4:12 pm #

        An East Coast version of bag the Bagwan. Osho.

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 4:27 pm #

          What do you mean K-Dog? I know you have talked about being up in that region of the country, did you ever run into that group back when? Thanks for reminding me to watch that recent documentary.

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 8:30 pm #

            It is a good series. Only relevance here being that a face down Trump at the bottom of an escalator is sort of like a poster showing the dirtbag of your choice being in crosshairs.

            Yes, the I don’t really mean it just kidding but if you want to drop dead fine with me kind of humor. I never got down to Antelope or the big muddy but I could tell there was no substance behind all the hating going on. Just like the Russian accusations are now. Smoke and mirrors without substance.

        • BornToKillPeace July 23, 2018 at 4:32 pm #

          this has to be the funniest thing SNL has done in some time. Following the release of the documentary.
          youtube.com/watch?v=5Ge9cebaVNg&t=44s

          • K-Dog July 23, 2018 at 8:33 pm #

            Excellent!

  27. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 2:31 pm #

    Donald Trump 1987 CNN interview

    youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs

    Notice how little changed in his basic ideas and how much changed in the way he presents them. I guess he could be more eloquent in his speeches if he wants to.

    Donald Trump has not changed much, but the American public did going through 30 years of Clintonisation.

    • 100th Avatar July 23, 2018 at 3:48 pm #

      AKA: suffocating political correctness wrapped in sanctimony to thwart free speech.

      • Luhrenloup July 23, 2018 at 4:48 pm #

        Oh yes, let us not forget political correctness! We can thank Trump for shining a light on the insidious mind control game. I remember Trump refusing to acquiesce during a debate when asked if he would accept Clinton winning the nomination. I believe he said, it would depend. A gasp was heard from the audience and the panel, Clinton too.

        • tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 6:13 pm #

          All too often,the thought, the outcry, was “Trump is toast!”

          They were writing his epitaph after McCain. The audience laughing, actually laughing after his now famous line, “I like heroes who aren’t captured”. You knew there was hope.

          Blatant irreverence bashing, just smashing the PC purveyors.
          I couldn’t get enough.

          • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 3:10 pm #

            It has morphed into “Establishment Correctness”.

            When it’s Clinton, Obama, CIA, Brennan, FBI, Comey, McCain, Pelosi, Pocahontas, Ryan, Jeb-George W-George H Bush, Bill Kristol, George Will, CIA, Sanders, Brussels, Merkel, the Pope Vs. Trump you can sure there is only one thing being protected: the status quo.

  28. the camels bell July 23, 2018 at 3:02 pm #

    A favorite tale of Mr. Abraham Lincoln:

    “Pa, pa, the hired man and sis are in the hay mow and she’s lifting up her skirts and he’s letting down his pants and thy’re afixin’ to pee on the hay.”

    “Son, you got your facts absolutely right, but you’re drawing the wrong conclusion.”

  29. 100th Avatar July 23, 2018 at 3:55 pm #

    “The interview was trying my Christian patience, too. And my own personal fantasy was that Mr. Putin would whip out 30 inches of rebar and whap Chris Wallace upside the head with it. But he only repeated, “Be patient….”

    These interviews have little to do with the interviewee and his or her thoughts, and everything to do with the mainstream media’s talking head. He has to come across as tough, determined, as he works for Faux, even more so. Tough questions and no-nonsense.. otherwise his peers would be mocking him (more so). There is no listening, only props, showmanship, sound bites, and melodrama. Tune-in and tune-out. The types of Americans that watch this claptrap don’t have patience for facts. No, the rabble like to get wound-up and foaming at the mouth by their mainstream and social media agitator gods.
    The mob.

  30. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 4:03 pm #

    I have a hard time imagining that Putin would have given the Wall St vultures and Russian oligarchs a green light to rape, loot, and plunder == Scratch

    You would with the nuclear gun at the Russia’s temple == Finca

    The late-Soviet nomenklatura had serious reasons for fearing a loss in the military conflict, since the Americans had the potential of the first, disarming strike associated with being a sole proprietor of the MIRV (multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) technology and the “instant start” of intercontinental ballistic missiles on the nuclear submarine.

    The Soviet Union could not oppose this threat in any way, except for repeatedly increasing the weight of its counter-strike, that is, the strike that is being dealt after the US warheads of the first strike exploded on the starting positions of Soviet missiles.

    If we consider that each Trident-2 missile could carry 14 warheads, and every tenth Soviet missile survived after the disarming strike, then for one Trident-2 the USSR had to respond by building 12 UR-100, which was really an unbearable burden for the economy.

    Moreover, the flight time of the Trident-2 missiles to the launch sites in the European part of the USSR was about 6-7 minutes, and the missiles needed at least 15 minutes to launch.

    This was due to the fact that the quality of the bearings in Soviet gyroscopes did not allow them to be constantly spun, and the spinout required time, and that is in the absence of seismic shocks from the explosion of atomic bombs at a distance of at least 200 km.

    Those missiles that did not have time to spin their gyroscopes flew almost blindly, and as a result, guaranteed to strike back were only the missiles located in Siberia.

    But the appearance of American missiles in Afghanistan with flying time to these sites of 10 minutes leveled the last advantage of the USSR and cast off the military-strategic balance to the times before the Caribbean crisis, when the American missiles in Turkey created the unbalanced potential of the first nuclear strike.

    The CIA had a 100% chance of getting even with the USSR for the Vietnam War and, in the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski, luring the USSR into Afghanistan. True, apparently Mikhail Suslov had figured out this plan and wanted to demand the cards face up on the table (call the bluff), but a sudden death caught him at the very beginning of the operation.

    The results are well known.

    True, Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov offered to entrust the task of retaliation to a 50-megaton nuclear torpedo launched on the island of La Palma and the Cumbre Vieja volcano, after which a 150-meter (450 feet) mega tsunami would completely wash the British Isles and the entire eastern coast of the United States 400 km deep. But to make such a decision it is necessary to understand and trust the scientific calculations, and the late Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU could not decide this in principle.

    In addition, nuclear parity can be proudly spoken of at international conferences, and the translation of such scenarios into the political plane requires their promulgation, which is tantamount to recognizing the absence of this very parity. That is, a loss in the Cold War. Not to mention the fact that such threats are prohibited by the UN Charter and do not leave room for political maneuver.

    As I said, the main thing was a loss in the ideological war, and all the other defeats were automatically attached to it.

  31. janet July 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

    “What occurred during the election cycle is…incredibly mundane…the electrical grid going down, another matter entirely.” –elysianfield

    Russia attacking our infrastructure is “another matter entirely” … because not having air conditioning, electricity, internet, clean water, etc. would inconvenience you, personally, would it not? Would or wouldn’t? But if it’s just a DNC server or state election voting machines, no biggie?

    • janet July 23, 2018 at 4:20 pm #

      To be clear, I do not believe that our attacking infrastructure in other countries justifies Russia attacking our infrastructure… but Putin may not agree with me and he seems to be pulling things off without much detection and/or opposition.

      American-made bombs in Yemen are killing civilians, destroying infrastructure and fueling anger at the U.S.

      pbs.org/newshour/show/american-made-bombs-in-yemen-are-killing-civilians-destroying-infrastructure-a…

    • elysianfield July 23, 2018 at 10:31 pm #

      Janet,
      I just finished a book entitled “The Perfect Weapon”. It outlines as a stated fact that the Chinese, Russians, Norks and others have been in most ALL of our infrastructure software, including dams, electrical, shipping, pipelines, etc.. NSA and Cyber Command recognize also that all have been looted of salient information, and are corrupted with foreign markers than can be activated for purposes unknown.

      My wellbeing is not a consideration. A cyber attack that would demand retaliatory military action involves loss of lives…at least at this point of consideration.

  32. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 4:25 pm #

    According to the American intelligence community, Russia’s intervention consisted of the hacking of a server of a Democratic Party and the publication of absolutely reliable and truthful information about how the nomination of the Democratic Party was stolen by the leadership of the Democratic Party from Bernie Sanders and given to Hillary Clinton, that Russia must not do this any more, are tantamount to the statement:

    It is our elections – we do what we want, and if you see that the results of the elections in the USA are forged, then you must turn your head to the other side, and not undermine the confidence of the US voters in those who stole their votes!

    And the conflict during Vladimir Putin’s interview with Chris Wallace is caused by the inability of the interviewer to understand how ridiculous the attempts of the representatives of the country listening to all and everything and breaking locks of secrecy around the world, angrily denounce the “hacking servers of the democratic party” and the publication of absolutely truthful information.

  33. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 4:44 pm #

    And a rumor that yesterday I was told by the parishioners of the NYC Greek Church, begins with the fact that Trump on Friday at 11 pm declassified a pile of documents about how Carter Page – one of the advisers to his campaign – was presented in a special FISA court as a Russian spy, which lead to the warrant to wiretap candidate Trump.

    And when Democrats confronted Trump for the damage that this declassification caused to US national security, he immediately, on the fly, reminded members of Congress who came to confront him that a few days ago the Clinton’s press reported that the source in the nearest circle of Putin said that the Russian president personally ordered to hack the server of the Democratic Party.

    After that Trump made a theatrical pause and said that it is this publication is the reason for the flop of not only the above-mentioned source, but also the entire spy network, which the Clintons created in Russia in the 90s, particularly the spy working for TsNIIMash who betrayed to NATO secrets of Russia hypersonic weapons.

  34. libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 4:55 pm #

    THIS IS OFF TOPIC! (though we all generally agree that debt and economics is very much ALWAYS THE TOPIC…or should be)

    I respect the crew here (for the most part 😉 )…so kindly, can anyone let me know if they’ve seen this brought up in the context of “debt” or pensions, etc.?

    The contradiction of the 14th Amendment…while of course freeing slaves is the focus of the amendment, the other details have become just as important but are never really mentioned it seems.

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. …….

    Now how can a person have due process with regard to their property (as guaranteed here) when the debt (guaranteed here as well) they are being told they must pay through taxes levied was created before they were born (or prior to them being able to vote or challenge it in court)?

    To my knowledge, this has never been challenged in court. Couldn’t an Illinois resident (for example) claim that the Illinois Supreme Court violated their 14th Amendment rights when making their ruling with regard to “pension reform”? That court said the IL Constitution (which insanely has a “pension guarantee clause” added, I think, in the 70s) doesn’t allow any “reform” that would “diminish” the guarantees and instead said the state just needs to “fund” it more through taxes (mathematically impossible though that option is).

    But a state can’t have a law that violates a right guaranteed in the federal constitution…and in this case that is the 14th Amendment’s due process clause for property rights.

    Has this ever been challenged that anyone knows of?

    • janet July 23, 2018 at 5:24 pm #

      “…and instead said the state just needs to “fund” it more through taxes (mathematically impossible though that option is).” —libertysghost

      It is not impossible. You just need to go back to Eisenhower-size defense budgets, and Eisenhower-sized marginal tax rates of 94% on the rich.

    • sprawlcapital July 23, 2018 at 5:40 pm #

      Sorry, Liberty, I can’t answer your question. But I think the 14th Amendment provision granting citizenship to all persons who are born in the US should be amended to deny citizenship to the US-born children of parents who are here illegally. Those children would be considered citizens of the country of origin of the illegal alien parents, or of the country of origin of the father, if the parents were from two different countries.

      • tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 5:57 pm #

        Bravo! Should be done as soon as possible, but passed by Congress and 2/3rds ratification will make it as long as possible.

    • tucsonspur July 23, 2018 at 5:47 pm #

      It’s an interesting question, so I looked and found some info. The following is from the link below it.

      “But it is not the function of the Court to consider the propriety or justness of the tax, to seek for the motives and criticize the public policy which prompted the adoption of the statute.1553 If the evident intent and general operation of the tax legislation is to adjust the burden with a fair and reasonable degree of equality, the constitutional requirement is satisfied.1554”

      law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-14/07-traditional-equal-protection-economic-regulation.html

      The endless convolutions of man made law!

      • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 6:49 pm #

        Lolol that is for sure.

        So when they say you have due process rights regarding property they…well…don’t really mean you have any rights whatsoever regarding property because the assumption the court will use is that all taxes voted into law by “representatives” retroactively act as “due process”…somehow contortedly.

        And this is why I always say to JHK, that their means to find ways to kick cans down the road are only constrained by literal “resources” too difficult to quantify in order to make near term predictions of collapse a wise call.

      • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 7:44 pm #

        Further scouring the useful link tuc…I found this nugget:

        ” It does not follow, however, that because “some degree of inequality from the nature of things must be permitted, gross inequality must also be allowed.”1545 ”

        Seems noteworthy in that the gross inequality would be “generational”…doubling and tripling and quadrupling (etc) a tax burden on future generations would be grossly unequal, wouldn’t you think? 😉

        I also notice nothing on there seems to speak to the actual “due process” portion specifically, instead it’s all clustered under “equal protections”…is there not a fair point of distinction there?

        I am now on the hunt…gonna keep searching.

  35. Dumbedup July 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm #

    To put a fine point on the obvious there are 3 separate questions here and only one is exigent the Special Counsel’s inquiry.

    1) Did Russia hack voting machines, alter voting results or otherwise criminally interfere in the 2016 election?

    2) If yes, did that effort result in Trump winning the election (electoral college – because he lost the popular vote) when he would not have won otherwise?

    3) Did anyone in the Trump campaign, with the express or implied permission of Donald Trump, coordinate with Russians, collude with Russians or assist Russians to accomplish 1 or 2.

    Everyone seems to conflate these questions. Only #3 is relevant to Mueller’s collusion inquiry. It is important to know if #1 and #2 are true so we can take steps to prevent it in the future, and preserve what is left of our Democracy. But for Mueller only #3 counts.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 5:22 pm #

      I think you are wrong, DumbedUp.

      I think that Mueller is investigating not a collusion, but the meddling, and since “meddling” is such a difficultly translatable word into Russian – sounds like something your mother-in-law would do with to your happy family life, he decided to go for obstruction of justice that happened in the course of the collusion into the meddling investigation.

      • Dumbedup July 24, 2018 at 9:03 am #

        I really need to start composing posts in Word and copying& pasting. Proofreading in this little box is damn near impossible.

        As to your point Finca, you are correct. He is investigating meddling too. What I tried so unartfully to say is that the only one of the 3 on the list which is a concern for Donald Trump is #3 and that is the most difficult to prove. He has already made progress on 1 & 2. Whether any of the indictments will result in convictions remains to be seen.

    • janet July 23, 2018 at 5:28 pm #

      Collusion happened. Collusion is not a crime. Mueller will demonstrate criminal conspiracy on July 31, if the judge does not grant Manafort any further delays. Jury selection begins this week. TSHTF in August.

      • libertysghost July 23, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

        Criminal conspiracy to do what? Specifics are quite important.

        • janet July 23, 2018 at 7:59 pm #

          You haven’t been reading the quite-detailed indictments, have you? They are public documents you can read. I am not going to repeat them here.

          Or, don’t read them … just stay tuned.

          It will all become clear to judge, jury, and the President in the next three weeks… with bullet-proof documental evidence, unexpected witness testimony, guilty pleas, confessions, and prison sentences.

      • Dumbedup July 24, 2018 at 9:26 am #

        Interesting. Collusion about which Trump had knowledge should be enough to impeach Trump – or remove him from office under the 25th Amendment.

        If they show a criminal conspiracy between Manafort and the Russians will that be enough to tip the scales against Trump? Again, I think they will have to show that Trump approved of it by some action or inaction. In other words, I think they have to show he knew what was happening. They can do that in several ways.

        Proving a conspiracy is difficult, but the legal strategy here has been laid out by indicting Manafort, turning Cohen into a witness against Trump and then indicting the Russians. What the proof may show is an un-indicted co-conspirator. To that extent this is beginning to sound more and more like the Nixon investigation.

        However, the Nixon investigation was bi-partisan for the most part. This is clearly political. But direct collusion or a criminal conspiracy with Trump named but not indicted will turn this bipartisan. To do otherwise would risk big losses by the Republicans in the mid-term elections.

  36. willem July 23, 2018 at 6:02 pm #

    As I watched this interview, I thought it unfortunate that Putin led his response about interfering by trotting out (at length) the fact that none of the material revealed had proven to be untrue, and its veracity was not being denied. He should have led by addressing the issue of Russian involvement.

    Although the most deplorable part of this entire circus is that everyone is focusing on the messenger rather than the content, the way he replied made him sound like he was defending his actions rather than denying them.

  37. FincaInTheMountains July 23, 2018 at 7:02 pm #

    Immediately I will say that the information above regarding TsNIIMash
    sounds extremely doubtful to me and I tell it because the American media is so self-discredited that the Americans, in order to somehow rationalize the surrounding world, went directly to myth-making.

    And the myths are important, because, as Aristotle said, poetry “is more philosophical and more serious than history: in fact poetry speaks more of universals, whereas history of particulars.”

    And this myth is created among the Orthodox Greeks, who are 150% behind Trump because he invited the Greek Archbishop to bless the Republican convention that nominated him for the presidency.

    And I personally also see in this convention, which marked the beginning of the 2016 election campaign, a certain similarity to the day before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge in 312, the events of which forced Constantine the Great to inscribe on the banners of the Roman Republic Labarum the words In hoc signo vinces

    You understand, what impression on these Greeks was made by trolling of clintonoids, which Trump arranged before and after the Helsinki. We discussed his philological delights, with the help of which he, after returning to the United States, fought off the Republicans who asked him “What did he mean by saying that he does not understand why Russia would suddenly interfere in the 2016 elections.”

    It’s really funny how the Republicans were satisfied with his little semantic trick, as a result of which this phrase began to look like this: “I do not understand why Russia should not interfere in the elections of 2016.”

    • janet July 23, 2018 at 8:12 pm #

      “…to bless the Republican convention…” —finca

      I remember that Republican convention… when Trump’s campaign manager muscled the change, at Trump’s direction, of the official Republican platform to favor Putin and his takeover of Crimea.

      What has since become clear is that at the time of the convention, Russia was running a broad series of “active measures” against the U.S. presidential election that included clandestine outreach by human agents and an overt information campaign on social media. That wasn’t known to the public then, but Mueller and congressional investigators have begun looking into whether anyone in the Trump camp helped the Russians who were attacking the election.

      The change to the Ukraine platform in Cleveland has attracted attention because it has raised questions about whether it might have been evidence of communications between Russians and the Trump campaign, or was intended by the Trump team as some kind of a signal to the Russians about their willingness to accommodate them.

      Now in prison as a flight risk, Manafort’s trial starts July 31. TSHTF August 2018.

  38. janet July 23, 2018 at 8:39 pm #

    Meanwhile, paper tiger bluster bobo Trump is threatening Iran the same way, using the same words, he threatened North Korea and they ignored Trump and his bluster and continued developing their ICBMs that can reach the USA. Now Trump is threatening Iran IN ALL CAPS and Iran is ignoring Trump’s empty threats. Iran’s response to Trump’s ultimatum is more intelligent and ends with a warning to Trump:

    COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them —albeit more civilized ones—for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS!

    • Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 10:34 am #

      Iran is indeed a bridge too far for the overtaxed American military. Trump is likely speaking on the behalf of his Israeli superiors, hopefully just for effect. US “pronouncements” are sounding more and more like the belligerent shouting of a tired and confused old geriatric.

  39. janet July 23, 2018 at 9:00 pm #

    “The US may well be one major war away from the collapse of American democracy, most likely a war with Iran for the regime change that Trump seeks.

    The Nazi henchman Hermann Göring explained in Nuremberg prison how easy it is to mobilize the public to war: “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

    Trump has started with a trade war, but we shouldn’t be surprised if the trade war morphs into a hot one. We are far down the path to tyranny.” –Jeffrey Sachs

    • Billy Hill July 23, 2018 at 9:24 pm #

      Why do you think Trump wishes war with Iran? Is this on Putin’s orders?

      This must be 4D chess as the logic is not transparent.

      • janet July 23, 2018 at 11:17 pm #

        Not 4D chess. Just simple bait and switch.

        Too much attention going to the puppet-Trump and puppet master-Putin? Need a shiny object to distract peoples’ attention. Go after Iran.

        People have been brainwashed to believe Muslims are bad guys, so it’s easy to get them worked up about Iran. Defense contractors would be happy, too. Would be? Wouldn’t be?

        • Walter B July 23, 2018 at 11:44 pm #

          No, Muslims are not bad guys at all, but just like the sand that they seem to belong in, once it gets into your shoes, it needs to be removed in order for progress to be made.

          • janet July 24, 2018 at 12:36 am #

            Are you speaking about all 1.6 Billion Muslims? Another stereotype: sand. Muslims make up a majority of the population in 49 countries around the world. They are not all sand countries. Break your conditioning, Walter B. Muslims are our neighbors. Three million in the United States. Love your Muslim brothers and sisters, as Jesus said to love your neighbors.

            “Even as you have done unto the least of these, ye have done unto me.”

          • Walter B July 24, 2018 at 11:22 am #

            No, actually I am not talking about all, for only a pea wit judges by the group as Sergeant Kilrain once said. I am talking about the admitted 10% of that number which are violent jihadists, (that would make for 200 million of them). The problem is how do you sort them out? I do not have an answer to that one and apparently no one else does either. Even the Israelis have not figured that out. The problem with bringing in those who believe in violence as a means to an end as your neighbors is that it does not take long for those of us who renounce violence to have to choose between fighting back or becoming victims which is a place that we tolerant people do not like to be put into. In situations such as this one I have many concerns and many problems, but no solutions. That I why I spent my career designing and creating electro-mechanical systems and not trying to fix mankind’s societal problems. Machinery is easy, people not so much.

        • Billy Hill July 24, 2018 at 3:19 pm #

          Totally weak reply.

          The Resistance view of the world is devolving into monaural monochromatic monotony, out of phase with the Zeitgeist.

  40. elysianfield July 23, 2018 at 11:52 pm #

    Elrond,
    Well, sporty times are becoming more commonplace in the frozen North, eh?

    Toronto is having its issues. The Mayor of Toronto is calling for total gun confiscation among Canadian citizens. You have our sympathy, along with a question…”What the hell is it with you Canadians and guns?”

    washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/23/john-tory-toronto-mayor-suggests-total-disarmament/

    • janet July 24, 2018 at 12:41 am #

      First there should be a massive publicity campaign, then a massive buy-back, and then there should be a massive gun confiscation, starting with those who are a danger to themselves or others. Total disarmament should become the norm in civilized countries.

      Support HR 5717 (2018) which provides grants to enable local law enforcement to seize and retain firearms from individuals who are determined to be a danger to themselves or others.

      • Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 10:30 am #

        Trying to start the civil war in earnest, eh? Total disarmament in the US will NEVER happen, especially given our brazenly corrupt national military police state. Such an effort would lift the lid on our
        current boiling cauldron of discontent, so maybe something good would come from it after all. I seriously doubt local law enforcement would even bother to enforce it, especially out here in “flyover country.”

        • ozone July 24, 2018 at 12:21 pm #

          Ol’ Scratch,
          The blurt of the “nice” jan is known as taking the temperature of the proles and counting the weapons owners. (Sometimes things are just as simple as they seem.)

          What’s it got to do with the creaky Evil Russia narrative/edifice that our true and trusted politicians have inexpertly cobbled together anyway? Aren’t the beloved “govt. agencies” going to need to arm all the citizenry over the age of 12 with assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo to curb the incursions into the Homeland by Muzzies, Chinks and Russkies?

        • PeteAtomic July 25, 2018 at 5:01 pm #

          crazy to think gov’t/cops try to do some kind of total disarm
          quick way to Civil War part 2

      • elysianfield July 24, 2018 at 11:18 am #

        Janet,
        Please allow me to finish your thought;

        “First there should be a massive publicity campaign, then a massive buy-back, and then there should be a massive gun confiscation…and then the railroad cars, and then the camps….”

        “individuals who are determined to be a danger to themselves or others”

        Janet, that metric is nebulous in scope in that it is poorly defined…let me repharase;

        “Individuals who WE say to be a danger to themselves or others”.

        I…I feel better already….

        • Walter B July 24, 2018 at 12:59 pm #

          Yes ef, since we humans tend to project our inner selves onto the world we perceive, those who fear an armed public are telling us that it is actually THEY who cannot be trusted so WE must be disarmed in order for THEM to do whatever it is they are planning on doing to us. Whether it is making us easier targets for criminal activity or preventing us for hunting for food in the event of shortages, apparently THEY want us to have no options but to sit there and cry for help or simply become victims. I would be willing to bet that there are few if any criminals out there that would prefer an armed public over a disarmed, helpless one. So the bottom line is, criminals want us disarmed and honest people know that the vast majority can be trusted with firearms. The disarmament people should concentrate on the demented school systems and keeping firearms away from the children within them and leave the honest adults out here alone.

          • elysianfield July 24, 2018 at 11:39 pm #

            Walter,
            I believe that some of the disarmament people could care less regarding children or other victims of gun violence. Their motives are much darker…and do not involve empathy or compasson. The gun control argument is one of attrition.

          • Walter B July 24, 2018 at 11:44 pm #

            No doubt ef, no doubt at all.

    • Elrond Hubbard July 25, 2018 at 11:32 am #

      elysianfield: “Toronto is having its issues”.

      Actually, EF, Toronto is having America’s issues these days. In addition to the 13 injured in the Danforth shooting this past weekend, the gunman murdered an 18-year-old woman and a ten-year-old girl. Small potatoes by U.S. standards, I admit, but those were lives we valued. Fortunately, the mayor isn’t alone in recognizing the growing problem, or in calling to do something about it.

      And when I say Canada’s growing gun problem is an issue with America, I’m not joking. You guys can run your household how you want, but you need to quit shitting in our yard:

      Toronto shooter’s gun was illegal, originally from U.S.: source

      ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-shooter-s-gun-was-illegal-originally-from-u-s-source-1.4027129

      “The gun used to shoot 15 people on a busy Toronto street was likely obtained from a ‘gang-related source,’ according to a person familiar with the case.

      “CP24 safety specialist Cam Woolley says a police source has told him the semi-automatic handgun used in the shooting is illegal in Canada and was originally from the United States. American authorities are helping track the gun’s exact origin.”

      Would it surprise you to learn that 98% — ninety-eight percent, sir! — of all guns used in crimes in Canada originated in the United States? I for one wasn’t exactly surprised, but needless to say, we’re not happy about it. Gun control works and makes everyone safer, but however sensible the policy, it’s not helpful when your nearest neighbours are in thrall to a minority of lunatics.

      • elysianfield July 25, 2018 at 7:15 pm #

        “Would it surprise you to learn that 98% — ninety-eight percent, sir! — of all guns used in crimes in Canada originated in the United States? I for one wasn’t exactly surprised, but needless to say, we’re not happy about it. Gun control works and makes everyone safer, but however sensible the policy, it’s not helpful when your nearest neighbours are in thrall to a minority of lunatics.”

        Elrond,
        Would it surprise you to learn that over 90%…90 percent Sir, of US gun related crimes are committed by minorities? I have no argument with your stated data… criminals using weapons stolen or illegally imported into Canada…they are criminals, remember, and consider not a whit your laws nor angst. Your argument that “Gun Control works” is utopian…there will ALWAYS be guns…guns from somewhere. You cannot put the tooth paste back in the tube (assuming Canadians use tooth paste…maybe a bad example).

        Elrond, I will tip my hat to you if you can explain where gun control has made ANYONE safer in the long run…except school shooters, I mean. New York? Baltimore?

        • elysianfield July 25, 2018 at 7:19 pm #

          And to finish the thought, Canada does not have a gun control problem, the problem involves immigrant control…a lack of assimilation amongst poorly-vetted immigrants.

          Our sins have been visited upon you. Your open border is the issue…THIS you will come to realize.

        • Elrond Hubbard July 26, 2018 at 11:58 am #

          EF, explaining ‘how gun control has made ANYONE safer, in the long run’, is dead easy. The hard part is getting you to pry your gaze away from your navel, and pay attention to how your opinions stack up against everyday reality in other countries that are similar to the United States — countries that are wealthy, developed, and (as right-wingers will never shut up about) not devoid of brown people any more than New York and Baltimore. How about Berlin? Or Amsterdam, Melbourne, or, yes, Toronto?

          vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

          29.7 homicides by firearm per million people: that’s the USA. Compare that to 5.1 per million in Canada, 3.3 in the Netherlands, 1.9 in Germany, and 1.4 in Australia. Like I said, all these places have immigrants and brown people in them. So what’s the difference? The difference is that the USA is awash in guns, and the rest of these places aren’t. I repeat, this is the easy part: all those people who got shot are dead — dead in your famous long run — and the people who didn’t get shot lived to die of natural causes. This is the difference the gun control makes, and it isn’t ‘utopia’; these are the facts on the ground, right now.

          Now for the hard part. You consider your own attitude about firearms in civilian life — that they are necessary, unavoidable, and a good thing — to be normal and uncontroversial. That’s because whatever else you are in your personal life, elysianfields, you keep showing yourself to be a deeply committed solipsist when it comes to expressing your opinions online.

          When I made fun of you for saying you “honestly don’t know ANYONE who is not a gun owner”, yes, that was me putting on a performance. But the mirth was 100% genuine in real life, and 100% at your expense, because you seem to seriously think that what you think personally should carry the day. This is how you’re able to tell me that gun control is ‘utopian’ when I and many, many others are consciously reaping its benefits right in the here and now — refer to the numbers again if you don’t believe me. You keep trying to tell me what’s inevitable, when the facts tell me (and they should be telling you) that it’s not.

          • elysianfield July 26, 2018 at 7:25 pm #

            Elrond,
            A reasoned response. However, as a solipsist, I can only suggest that facts come in various “flavors” , if you will…the written, the spoken and the observed. My worldview was developed through direct, “hands-on” observation and experience, not sterile statistics. It is true that the US has many weapons per unit of population, more so then Canada…and both our countries have many immigrants, minorities and criminal elements. I know a guy that has hundreds of guns in a collection…if guns were causal, he would live in a dangerous high-crime area, and this is not the case. Can there be ANY other reason for gun violence? A disaffected population? Disrespect for societies conventions and laws? Poverty? We have a huge population of the incarcerated…and you might suggest that they are imprisoned without just cause. Is it within the realm of possibility that the vast majority of those incarcerated truly NEED to be warehoused away from genteel society? Maybe? If so, then maybe we just have more criminals, not gun issues.

            Elrond, gun control is another of those concepts that are intuitive…just seems reasonable…take the guns away and no more violence.

            “How about Berlin? Or Amsterdam, Melbourne, or, yes, Toronto?”

            Culture. Culture. Culture.

            Perhaps our culture is less civilized.

            You may refer to me, in the future, as “The Solipsist”, if I might refer to you as “The Canadian”. What I’ve learned by direct observation and hands-on experience, you’ve divined from crunching other people’s numbers (and watching the TEE VEE)…which should have the more veracity? Why would I change my worldview when confronted with bandied statistics? Not even your efforts, but statistics generated by others, and perhaps poorly applied?

            If you can explain to me why guns might be causal to the issues of crime in our society, I would love to hear your justification.

            I remain,

            The Solipsist

          • elysianfield July 26, 2018 at 7:27 pm #

            “You keep trying to tell me what’s inevitable, when the facts tell me (and they should be telling you) that it’s not.”

            Elrond,
            I expect that I will continue to rely on History to forecast the future, and define the present.

  41. FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 3:34 am #

    Well Janet, since you apparently do not like my modest oeuvre to rationalize the world we live in, may be you find the Hal Turner’s web site more appealing in that respect. More and more Americans apparently do, since its Alexa’s ratings are going through the roof:

    alexa.com/siteinfo/halturnerradioshow.com

    Here is a little sample of Hal’s myth-making masterpiece:

    Dear God; They Caught Them ALL! Putin Gives Trump 160 Terabytes of Communication Intercepts; ALL people behind fake “Russia Collusion” – False Flag Chemical Attacks in Syria, Sabotage of Brexit, Nefarious Clinton activities & More

    At the meeting in Helsinki, Finland, between Presidents Putin of Russia and Trump of the USA, the Russians gave to Trump at least 160 TERABYTES of Russian Intelligence Intercepts which expose horrifying activities of many, many, people to deliberately foment social, cultural, and political chaos, violent riots, demonstrations, media smears, phony scandals, and fake news.

    Some of those intercepts reveal who has been financing weapons, supplies, travel, hotel, vehicle rentals and secure communications gear for Terrorist groups, inside Syria, Iraq, and terror attacks in Europe and the US.

    Numerous high-ranking officials and well known wealthy people have been caught red-handed scheming together and with foreign governments along with radical leftist billionaires both inside and outside the US, to foment — and finance — extraordinary acts of political, social, and cultural chaos including riots, violent attacks, political unrest and more.

    halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/2855-dear-god-they-caught-them-all-putin-giv…

  42. FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 7:17 am #

    The Witches Finally Managed to Push Sanders into the Corner!

    During the primaries, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton repeatedly participated in the televised debates, and Hillary insolently applied her … um … hypnotic abilities, from which her rivals on TV debates, including the admiral with combat experience, began to sweat and stumble.

    But not Bernie Sanders!

    Old Bernie clung to her like a bulldog to a rat and shook her so that only scraps flew in different directions. And he did not give a damn about her hypnotic ability.

    Here is an example how she tries to hypnotize him, and he does not care:
    youtube.com/watch?v=xyn4tap_1Js

    But she found a different leverage on him, of which we can only guess. In particular, the rumors claimed that he was influenced by concern for the state of health of his underage nephews and he gave all the votes cast for him to Hillary Clinton.

    So, in fact, there was no vote, and Hillary nominated herself.

    Nevertheless, even after such betrayal of his voters, Bernie Sanders retained much of his authority and even continued to strongly oppose Hillary Clinton, including on the possible cooperation with Russia. Up to the point that Donald Trump publicly and quite seriously probed the possibility of inviting him to the post of vice-president
    youtube.com/watch?v=q9tMnZKsRPY

    And yesterday he appeared on the Sunday program Face the Nation and carried such crap about Russia, Putin and Trump that Bastinda must have bitten her lips slicked with envy.

    By the way, the young witch who sits next to him and claims that she is a follower of Bernie Sanders in politics recently took out in the election one of Hillary Clinton’s old Flying Monkey and allegedly became the face of a supposedly new anti-Clinton Democratic Party.

    But in the conversation on this clip she uses all her hypnotic tricks, which speaks about the young but early and about the brave new world she is going to build, much more than her words.
    youtube.com/watch?v=RG9N4ZP5MQA

    Well, and I just have no words to describe this:
    youtube.com/watch?v=kobIKIY-EI0

    And this man spent his honeymoon in Yaroslavl!

    • Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 10:21 am #

      Bernie’s just a lukewarm version of HRC. A slight improvement, but certainly not transformational.

  43. Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 10:13 am #

    Dmitry Orlov nails it (as usual) regarding all the current “Russiagate” nonsense:

    “The[ objective of US intelligence is to suck all remaining wealth out of the US and its allies and pocket as much of it as possible while pretending to defend it from phantom aggressors by squandering nonexistent (borrowed) financial resources on ineffective and overpriced military operations and weapons systems. Where the aggressors are not phantom, they are specially organized for the purpose of having someone to fight: “moderate” terrorists and so on. One major advancement in their state of the art has been in moving from real false flag operations, à la 9/11, to fake false flag operations, à la fake East Gouta chemical attack in Syria (since fully discredited). The Russian election meddling story is perhaps the final step in this evolution: no New York skyscrapers or Syrian children were harmed in the process of concocting this fake narrative, and it can be kept alive seemingly forever purely through the furious effort of numerous flapping lips. It is now a pure confidence scam. If you are less than impressed with their invented narratives, then you are a conspiracy theorist or, in the latest revision, a traitor.

    Trump was recently questioned as to whether he trusted US intelligence. He waffled. A light-hearted answer would have been:

    “What sort of idiot are you to ask me such a stupid question? Of course they are lying! They were caught lying more than once, and therefore they can never be trusted again. In order to claim that they are not currently lying, you have to determine when it was that they stopped lying, and that they haven’t lied since. And that, based on the information that is available, is an impossible task.”

    A more serious, matter-of-fact answer would have been:

    “The US intelligence agencies made an outrageous claim: that I colluded with Russia to rig the outcome of the 2017 presidential election. The burden of proof is on them. They are yet to prove their case in a court of law, which is the only place where the matter can legitimately be settled, if it can be settled at all. Until that happens, we must treat their claim as conspiracy theory, not as fact.”

    And a hardcore, deadpan answer would have been:

    “The US intelligence services swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution, according to which I am their Commander in Chief. They report to me, not I to them. They must be loyal to me, not I to them. If they are disloyal to me, then that is sufficient reason for their dismissal.”

    cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/07/us-intelligence-community-as-collapse.html

  44. volodya July 24, 2018 at 10:20 am #

    The comical part about this Russia hysteria is that Russia isn’t a threat. All the noise and commotion is a smokescreen that conceals that very fact.

    So, who is the threat to American hegemony? Who is the threat to American military pre-eminence?

    The answer is China.

    American oligarchs built up China into a global adversary by moving US industries to China for the sake of cheap labor and a repressive regime that suppresses labor activism. American oligarchs thereby gave China the economic and financial wherewithal to become a global challenger.

    The Democrat administration of Bill Clinton bears a large burden of responsibility for having seen this through. Democrats paint this legacy as one of open-ness and open borders and internationalism and cosmopolitanism and everything good.

    What they will find out the hard way is that the Chinese are not remotely about all these wonderful things.

    The Chinese have got historical bones to pick with the West. They want the US out of Asia. The Chinese want to be shot-callers unencumbered by American-made global financial and political arrangements. The Chinese are about their own national aggrandizement and their own personal enrichment.

    American “cosmopolitans” that are so convinced of their own brilliance and enlightenment massively mis-understood the nature of the Chinese nation-state. They thought that Chinese prosperity (at the expense of American workers) would be the key to democratizing China. This was called delusional by many who understood otherwise. The “cosmopolitans” derided these critics as nay-sayers and negativists left behind by historical tides.

    But, as attested by the recent actions by Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party, the nay-sayers turned out to be correct.

    The “cosmopolitans” cut their own throats. They’d been warned and they ignored the warnings.

    • Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 11:17 am #

      The enemy is the US MICC, aka the US “intelligence” state. China’s just doing what we taught them to do: run a ruthlessly exploitive capitalist confidence game. It’ll eventually catch up to them too, of course. There’s nothing new under the sun when it comes to such shenanigans, just a constant repackaging of the same old tricks. I doubt they’ll even bother with all the hyper military nonsense. Ownership of global (mostly American) assets is where it’s at these days. When they fully align with Russia and eventually Europe it will be game over for US hegemony, no matter how many empty nuclear threats we make. But superseding all those concerns is that of a global ownership class. Countries are just minor annoyances to be exploited and owned to them, as the US is finding out the hard way currently.

    • Tate July 24, 2018 at 3:33 pm #

      “So, who is the threat to American hegemony?” — Volodya

      The comic strip Pogo put it best, “We have met the enemy, & he is us.” This a more profound statement than many realize. The term “enemy” in this statement implies that there is no unified “we” & no unified “us.” Yes, united against overseas adversaries, there is a “we” & an “us.” But there is less cohesion among “us” every day. Do “Chinese-Americans” consider the mainland Chinese “them” or “us?” Would they be so very upset if China conquered the Left Coast of America?

      I’m sure they would be nostalgic for the Constitutional Republic.

  45. FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 10:33 am #

    Bernie’s just a lukewarm version of HRC. A slight improvement, but certainly not transformational. == Old Scratch

    It Doesn’t Matter Who is President == D. Orlov

    cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/06/it-doesnt-matter-who-is-president.html

    Lord save us all from the abyss of ideological nihilism ala 0-hedge.

    • Ol' Scratch July 24, 2018 at 11:05 am #

      You’re naive optimism is heartwarming, Finc. Trouble is, we really can’t afford such delusional thinking anymore. It’s not nihilism to realize that the current game is rigged and that the “saviors” we get presented with every fours years clearly aren’t. Just good old fashioned stone-cold realism.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 11:51 am #

        Delusional thinking is exactly equating Hillary with Bernie or Trump which could lead to far-reaching conclusion harmful to our collective asses, like either don’t vote at all or vote for Hillary since she’ll bring that “circus” to a prompt end.

        I am still fond of my ass to share such feelings or go looking for it on the Moon.

    • ozone July 24, 2018 at 12:05 pm #

      Lord save us from space-and-word-wasting delusional fantasists who provide pretend answers to pretend questions to divert us from real predicaments, which left unmitigated, may just kill us…

      • volodya July 24, 2018 at 12:30 pm #

        There’s an astounding amount of energy expended in trying to prevent people from seeing what’s right under their noses.

        Anyway, it’s like Orwell said, a lifetime can go by without seeing what’s plainly right there.

        But time is the enemy. Problems don’t get better with the ticking of the clock.

        As far as the smoke-screen makers go, they’ll go swirling down the toilet with everyone else.

        • ozone July 24, 2018 at 12:49 pm #

          V.,
          I agree. And lest we forget:
          “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.” – Hunter S. Thompson

      • FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 12:41 pm #

        You know, Ozone, I give up on you. I just can’t figure out from reading your posts – I mean not the one that criticize me, what’s your position? What is your vision of success, of Victory?

        Do you have any?

        • ozone July 24, 2018 at 12:52 pm #

          “You know, Ozone, I give up on you.”

          …Please do; you have my support in this regard.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 24, 2018 at 5:19 pm #

          He almost never says what he thinks. On the rare occasion that he does, his positions are utterly conventional like: Give in and be nice so the Invaders will be nice to you once they take over. Liberal counsels of defeat!

    • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 4:53 pm #

      Why is it that D. Orlov thinks only his sweeping generalizations matter. It all matters.

  46. Dumbedup July 24, 2018 at 11:27 am #

    Sorry to change the subject. This relates to Trump’s “ALL CAPS” threat against Iran.

    This is the statement to which Trump was responding.

    “According to Reuters, he said: “America should know that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace, and war with Iran is the mother of all wars.”

    Our President is an impulsive and reactionary man. The above statement is not a threat by the leader of Iran. The statement must be interpreted by people who understand the culture. A skill our President has shown he does not possess.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 12:01 pm #

      For your information, DumbedUp, Iran does not have a thousandth of a destructive capacity that Russia has.

      So in your world it’s OK to constantly provoke Russia on a massive scale, but it’s a no-no to engage Iran will all cups tweet (which probably means that some negotiations are already on the way and the tweet is not for Iranian leadership, but for American public)

      Here is how the Apocalypse looks like – the flight of a hypersonic warhead of ICBM Sarmat flying in a plasma cloud with 20 mach:

      youtube.com/watch?v=jn_wgCpJU54

      • Dumbedup July 24, 2018 at 12:21 pm #

        Since I didn’t mention Russia or military might in the post to which you responded your point is a non sequitur.

        Again, I was pointing out that Trump impulsively tweeted a violent threat in ALL CAPS without consulting with people about the statement by the Iranian President and what it meant in the cultural context. It was clearly not a threat by Iran. (the use of the word “mother” is metaphorical and usually carries the meaning of giving birth)

  47. force July 24, 2018 at 12:19 pm #

    30 years on from the Reagan/Gorbachev summit the roles are reversed. Ronald Putin a popular leader in charge of a proudly patriotic Christian nation whilst Donald Gorbachev is beset by enemies within as his nation groans under an all pervasive police state & massive spending on useless hi tech weapons and the consensus fractures along fault lines of class,race & region.
    Meanwhile the Amerikan Yeltsin waits in the wings,its transsexual-cyborg senses alert,as it moves towards its appointed destiny…

    • FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 12:32 pm #

      I prefer a different, more optimistic analogy – Trump and Putin in Helsinki as Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin in Yalta discussing their fight against the common deadly enemy.

      Anybody could tell who that deadly enemy is?

    • ozone July 24, 2018 at 12:40 pm #

      force,
      Blammo! Different names; same play.
      Blunder Boy is in charge of the final looting (with its attendant twittery distractions) and is nicely placed to “ride this sucker down”. He’ll need a second term to do it, but I’m sure that can be arranged as there’s obviously enough popular support for a good enough showing.

      One difference? We’re not going to get the stability and emphasis on self-reliance that has graced our “enemy” through sober and realistic planning and implementation. Americans are steeped in a culture of violence and aggression, so I’ll give you three guesses how that’s going to work out — and the first two don’t count.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 24, 2018 at 5:24 pm #

        The word enemy put in quotation marks – as if we have no enemies. This guy has lots of enemies – he just doesn’t identify with America at all and doesn’t want it to triumph over its enemies. A classic Howard Zinn type Liberal position.

      • ozone July 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

        Awww, minions are so thick that they can’t figure which country is the subject of JHK’s missive… because they’re so fixated on changing the subject and attacking any and all those who can manage to maintain a modicum of FOCUS. We’re so sorry, Uncle vladdie.

        Russia da emenee dat Kunkler talk about for Munday. dis tewzday.

  48. bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 1:13 pm #

    There is no question that the US invades other countries, mounts coups to overthrow their duly elected governments, and influences their elections. The CIA has been doing its dirty tricks for American capitalism for at least sixty years now. But does all of that really negate what Russia has done, and continues to do, to mount chaos and dissension in the West? Do two wrongs make a right? What would have been the alternative had the US been isolated since WWll ? Would all the countries we fucked with have become socialist democracies instead of the ruthless dictatorships that we helped bring about? In view of that, why is socialism viewed as so bad while capitalism is viewed as nothing but a force for good? Even with all that, are we not better than Putin’s Russia? Doesn’t JHK draw a false equivalency every time he paints a picture of a Democratic, Deep State conspiracy working first to elect HRC, and then working to cripple theTrump presidency, and anything that Putin might be fomenting? And are we to believe that everything Mueller is building up is all fake? Does Malcolm Nance simply make shit up too, just to sell books? Would some of you many stable geniuses here please offer your thoughts on the questions my admittedly limited intelligence has raised?

  49. wm5135 July 24, 2018 at 1:53 pm #

    I was ambivalent toward the chemtrail issue until Mr. Trump’s visit to Helsinki. I now believe in chemtrails and have a very strong suspicion that what is being sprayed is LSD. Everyone is hallucinating.

    • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 3:11 pm #

      … and paranoid.

    • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:00 pm #

      I asked for a thoughtful and intelligent reply and instead I get chemtrails. I should have known this would be a useless timesuck. Just like JHK’s blog became long ago when he started embracing every meme from the right wing sewer that he could dredge up. Such as SJW’s, the Deep State, and the evils of socialism. There is a difference between democratic socialism and Stalinist socialism or socialism under communism! Fucking Google it or something! That goes for all ya’all here who just want to constantly shit all over the Left without employing anything constructive. Just the same old racist garbage. JHK just dresses it up so it isn’t as blatant as the neo-Nazi, alt-right websites but that trash is leaking through to his blog and to a greater extent to these comments here. That is why I have largely stopped wasting my time here, except I backslid today. What a mistake.

      • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 7:55 pm #

        A) I believe he was being sarcastic.

        B) But there are people here who believe crazy stuff like that and:

        Scripture
        A killer planet
        Ayn Rand
        Mass media
        The FBI and CIA
        Politicians
        Quarterly reports
        Janet
        Janos
        Illuminati
        Elrond
        Warren’s indigenous ancestry
        The world’s going to end between a Monday and Friday blog entry

      • Exscotticus July 24, 2018 at 8:51 pm #

        >>> There is a difference between democratic socialism and Stalinist socialism or socialism under communism!

        A difference in degree but not in kind.

        It is always the goal of the Left to push us more toward the left. It involves the same ideas that have failed over and over. Ideas like a guaranteed income and price controls. Ideas that always involve robbing Peter to pay Paul.

        Since you don’t like JHK’s criticisms of socialism, what are yours? Where do you draw the line? And do you really believe calling positions you don’t agree with “racist” is a rhetorical strategy that still works?

  50. Billy Hill July 24, 2018 at 3:38 pm #

    Pat Buchanan has succinctly quantified the Russian state’s metamorphosis from the USSR. It is linked over at ZH.

    He does not mention the new weaponry which has leapfrogged the World War 2 artifacts still sailing the seas and traversing the countryside. Those weapons, if operational, tend to even the field despite GDP or military spending.

    Still, Buchanan makes us wonder even more what the Russian fuss is all about. NATO won. Yippee. Now what do we do?

    • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 4:40 pm #

      What we do is exactly what we have been doing. Keep the war machine going by continuously creating arch enemies that need to be slaughtered lest we have another 911. The “war on terror” replaced the Cold War seamlessly. What a tragedy. And yet, we still are fighting not the USSR but Putin’s Russia. Kind of makes you wonder what it’s all about. Oh right……money for defense contractors.

      • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 4:43 pm #

        Uh oh. I meant to say “less we have”, not “lest”. The grammar thought police will get me on that one, I just know it. So there, fixed it for you.

      • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 4:55 pm #

        It means not paying attention to things that matter is what it means.

        • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:11 pm #

          Why should the ruling class want to pay attention to things that matter, such as the fact that about half the population is living at or near poverty? They got theirs. Is that what you mean, in part, by things that matter?

          • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 5:18 pm #

            I’ve no problem with that interpretation but more directly an enemy always demands immediate attention and prevents considerations of the consequences of our actions. It brutalizes the best parts of us. It kicks long term thinking to the curb.

    • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:05 pm #

      I would ask what ZH is, but I suspect I already know. That they are promoting Pat Buchanan already says it all.

      • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 5:12 pm #

        Zero Hedge. Perhaps you should see what it is before you opine.

        • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:44 pm #

          Okay. Point taken. Can I take a guess? Economic prognosticators touting more BS?

      • Janos Skorenzy July 24, 2018 at 5:13 pm #

        They are Patriots are is Pat. What are you?

        • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 5:20 pm #

          Why do you ask. You usually are telling me what I am, patriot.

          • K-Dog July 24, 2018 at 5:21 pm #

            Never mind, your barb was not aimed at me. The screen on this phone is small.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 24, 2018 at 5:27 pm #

            That arrow was poisoned. You caught it and stuck it in your own left buttock. Not all the way and you removed it quickly, leaving just a scratch. But it will suffice: tomorrow you will be a grave man.

        • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 7:59 pm #

          Pat has stepped back from his misogyny. Seems to have given up on it after the early aughts.

          Have to hand it to him, a steadfast paleocon, he doesn’t get hung up on the cult of personality from people with little: Nixon, to people with an over-abundance: Trump.

          It’s the substance, stupid. The actions.

  51. Janos Skorenzy July 24, 2018 at 5:17 pm #

    No President has been harder on Russia than Trump. I’m terrified that Russia will try to hijack our 2020 election to get Trump defeated. Should we nuke Russia to prevent this? Maybe an EMP strike launched from Mongolia so China is blamed. Russia responds and two of our enemies are eliminated. Then we move on Islam.

    • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

      Wait, what? Why would Russia want Trump to be defeated? You really are in a parallel universe.

      • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:51 pm #

        Exactly how has Trump been hard on Russia? By kissing Putin’s ass at the summit? You must have a back channel to some secret information. Like Fox News, LOL!

    • janet July 24, 2018 at 5:49 pm #

      “Then we move on Islam.” –janos

      1.6 Billion Muslims says you will do not such thing. We will all live in peace and resolve conflicts nonviolently. It’s not such a hard thing to do, even for whites who think their civilization is the cat’s meow and the rest of the world is full of … how did Trump put it? … oh, yeah, “shit-hole” countries. Whites are a minority. BE CAUTIOUS!

      • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 6:10 pm #

        Janet, please. You and I are both wasting our time with these Alex Jones-inspired nitwits. This is a fruit farm and you will notice that most rational people have enough sense to stay away. Let’s admit to ourselves that we are not using very good judgement by trying to rationalize with the insane. The inmates have taken over the asylum and the joke is on us, I’m afraid. Except that it’s not funny, only sad. I confess that I come here as a voyeur on occasion to troll the fools but that I know I need to stop. I guess this will get me blocked. So I will sign off for good now and I urge you to do the same.

        • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 8:03 pm #

          Urge WPA-CCC for one more good measure, can’t hurt

        • Exscotticus July 24, 2018 at 9:02 pm #

          @bentley12, You have done much here for the advancement of human-bot relations. We applaud your diplomacy. Someday you will be our embassador to Janet’s world and others of her kind.

          • PeteAtomic July 24, 2018 at 11:22 pm #

            Funny! 🙂

          • Sean Coleman July 25, 2018 at 9:39 am #

            Yes, nicely put.

        • Tate July 25, 2018 at 12:09 pm #

          It might surprise some here to learn that I never watch Alex Jones. As everyone should know by now, he is under the control of the very factions he claims to oppose.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 5:52 pm #

      Nuclear false flag… Cool. I think Janos is in on something.

      Just change the flags, drop Mongolia, and add Berlin

    • bentley12 July 24, 2018 at 5:55 pm #

      I hate to say this, Janos, but you are one sick fuck if you seriously think that a nuclear war anywhere in the world would be a good thing. You and all the other Trump supporters here who might think as you do are just fucking deluded and sick.

      • elysianfield July 24, 2018 at 11:51 pm #

        “I hate to say this, Janos, but you are one sick fuck if you seriously think that a nuclear war anywhere in the world would be a good thing. You and all the other Trump supporters here who might think as you do are just fucking deluded and sick.”

        Bentley,
        Have you no Irony sir? At long last, have you no sense of Irony?

        • Janos Skorenzy July 25, 2018 at 1:00 am #

          This is what they did to McCarthy with their, “Have you no decency?”. Trump trolled the world today. I merely follow in his footsteps in the snow.

  52. The Muzzies vs. the Nazis.

    Well, you could never say they weren’t up for a fight against long odds.

    I consider muslims to be members of a cult religion.

    The “Muslim world”, to me, is terrifying. Anyone who wants that influence, in the west, might as well go live there- and stay there.

    Religions of the past do not help, and never did help, the task of living harmoniously in the world.

    The “Prophet” was a fraud, no matter how many believe in him. That makes the followers no different from those of Jim Jones.

    What a immensely troubling idea- hundreds of millions religious nuts, who would be at our throats with a sword or administering our society, if only their depraved stupidity made it impossible for them to achieve anything past their quasi-polygamous reproductive habits.

    Cluster fuck indeed.

    • 100th Avatar July 24, 2018 at 8:06 pm #

      There are 2 elephants in humanty’s room;

      1 Overpopulation

      2 Religion is f*****g insane

      As long as people are comfortable avoiding these realities, the more uncomfortable our reality will become.

      • Walter B July 24, 2018 at 10:49 pm #

        I and those with whom I discuss such matters have been talking about overpopulation (or too many people for a limited amount of resources) for many years now and have always wondered why TPTB never care to address the possibility. Perhaps it is because they cannot raise such an issue without alarming the masses, or perhaps they will not do so because it might impair their ability to profit from mass consumption, but for whatever reason, it is never raised, much less addressed. In the old days, war and then “world war”, went a long way towards reducing the herd. The addition of nuclear weapons sort of made world war too dangerous to utilize, and so we wondered, what will they come up with next? Some covert method perhaps? Does technology offer an answer to such a conundrum? I suppose the only way that this question will be answered is for us to be patient and wait to see what develops. I for one am not overly concerned that they might kill us off physically, but then, I have had a long run in good times. I am far more concerned that they want a lot more than the elimination of competition, as much a greater battle of evil verses good, if you understand what I am getting at. In any case, all we can do is our best and I sincerely hope that all of you out there do exactly that. Good luck!

        • 100th Avatar July 25, 2018 at 4:34 pm #

          As long as the dimmest and easiest influenced among us keep reproducing with reckless abandon, we’re going to continue into a future with CNN viewers and Floyd Mayweather twitter beefs. Just when you think we have reached a cultural or intellectual nadir, the floor gives underfoot. Just when you think we have reached QOL (quality of life) the airlines take a few more centimeters in coach class and an even cardboard-ier tomato is brought to market. It’s gradual, but it’s all downhill

  53. janet July 24, 2018 at 10:46 pm #

    Trump is in trouble. Cohen was not lying. He has the tape-recorded goods on Trump. For any prosecutor, a key element of a criminal case is showing that someone violated the law and violated it knowingly. For the purposes of proving the latter, a tape-recorded conversation about a payment before it happens is some of the most damning information a prosecutor can wield. Trump is in deep shit.

    • My Point of View July 24, 2018 at 11:56 pm #

      “Trump is in deep shit.”

      Good. Quick! Everyone take an Ex Lax and flush 3 times to reach DC.

  54. FincaInTheMountains July 24, 2018 at 11:45 pm #

    Let me reiterate the essence of the current events:

    Western Europe, led by Germany, not only provokes a nuclear war, during which Russia’s first retaliatory strike will most likely be inflicted on the US, but also does not want to pay for preparations for this war.

    Moreover, it uses the saved funds to increase the competitiveness of its industry and to gain unilateral advantages in trade with the United States, which from the point of view of Americans is the crime far worse than provoking the nuclear war.

    And the top of the so-called US intelligence community in reality is a Fifth Column of the European Union, knowingly or unknowingly working against the best interests of the United States.

    Now all you have to do is replace “European Union” with the “Fourth Reich” and everything comes into focus, explaining how the Reich is trying to provoke a devastating nuclear war between two Allies that dealt a devastating blow to its previous incarnation – Reich the Third.

    Any questions?

  55. My Point of View July 24, 2018 at 11:53 pm #

    Speaking of a “Guaranteed Basic Income (GBI)” it seems we have one for a select group of fat old white guys, i.e., the “poor” farmers taking it in the ear as sales of soybeans, pork and other farm exports are crashing due to the orange idiot’s tariff madness. Case in point is today’s news item that the USDA is rushing a $12B bailout for beleaguered farmers. GBI? You betcha! Womp Womp Farmer Brown.

    In other rousing business headlines we bust a gut laughing over Donnie Dotard’s Dear Daughter Ivanka who has dumped her fashion line. The spin is that her “focus for the foreseeable future will be the work I am doing here in Washington” which is to say nothing at all. Retailers the world over pulled the plug on carrying her crap line of sweatshop goodies which really is why she’s shutting it down. I wonder if she’ll pull a Full Frontal Trump and declare her first bankruptcy.

    I’d pay good money to see Putin take a rebar to anyone at Fox, one of the original evil empires, a place with more spin than a dreidel-fest. Maybe if I run a bake sale and send Vlad a financial inducement we can get him to wail away on Insanity Hannity or Tucker Carlson’s putrid pout.

    • Tate July 25, 2018 at 12:02 pm #

      The meat lockers are over-flowing. This is good news for America’s consumers in the form of cheaper prices for chicken, beef, pork & turkey. Hasn’t happened yet, but it will. Trump should get a boost from that in November.

      • My Point of View July 25, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

        A president who knows nothing about economics started a trade war which hurt farmers so he put them on welfare with money he’s borrowing from the same countries he started the trade war with.

        Instead of PROFITING off the sale of American food to China, Trump’s trade policy has us PAYING INTEREST to China while US farmers become welfare queens dependent on the government because they aren’t SELLING food to China.

  56. FincaInTheMountains July 25, 2018 at 12:09 am #

    Peace, brothers!
    cdn5.img.ria.ru/images/152468/21/1524682175.jpg

    • PeteAtomic July 25, 2018 at 7:38 am #

      my eye kept getting drawn to Trump’s cufflink, lol

  57. ozone July 25, 2018 at 8:28 am #

    It’s nearly impossible to get some perspective about this collusion kerfuffle without the key element of Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
    A good outline:

    theautomaticearth.com/2018/07/julian-assange-and-the-dying-of-the-light/

    We now return control of the “discussion” to the Troll Network where you will learn to your dismay and horror how fucked up this country really is.
    Good Luck. You’re going to need it.

  58. Sean Coleman July 25, 2018 at 9:59 am #

    I only usually follow this stuff only in passing, but is it the case that the Resistance and their ilk, who surely think patriotism beneath them in ordinary run of things, wrap the flag around themselves when it is Russia? The same seems to apply to Britain. Here in Ireland it does not, but you never really know what people will think or say until the sun rises on a new day. They read the sacred pc texts with a special reverence and, having also taken the auspices and consulted the oracles, they appear to have decided that such behaviour is proscribed in every circumstance.

  59. K-Dog July 25, 2018 at 11:46 am #

    Just stopping in to wish everyone a fine hump day.

  60. Tate July 25, 2018 at 11:57 am #

    “There are 2 elephants in humanty’s room;

    1 Overpopulation

    2 Religion is f*****g insane

    As long as people are comfortable avoiding these realities, the more uncomfortable our reality will become.”

    1. Look what happened to the Shakers.

    2. Nobody’s come up with anything better.

    • 100th Avatar July 25, 2018 at 4:55 pm #

      1) Your 1 is my 2.

      2) You want a destination without the journey. So many waiting for someone else to show them the way, when it is the way.

    • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 11:09 am #

      Cute, witty even.

      Communism as a religion was ‘epic fail.’

      A Shaker chair sold for big money, to Oprah.

  61. sprawlcapital July 25, 2018 at 12:21 pm #

    Sometime soon I expect a phone call from the national office of Democratic Socialist of America (DSA), asking me to renew my membership. I will not do so, but I will give them a clear summary of what DSA needs to do in order to regain my support:

    1. Counter the big lie we hear constantly on Fox News that “socialism has never worked anywhere” by pointing out that socialism is working in the United States in many ways, through enterprises that are publicly owned and managed.

    These USA socialist enterprises include the military; the Veteran’s Administration; public libraries; streets, roads and highways; water supply and sewer systems; public parks at all levels–city, county, state, and national; the Social Security system; most airports; Medicare; the Postal Service; the Internal Revenue Service; law enforcement at all levels, from ICE to county sheriffs; fire protection; ambulance services; and many more.

    2. Point out that we have all this socialism–right here, right now–yet we are not Cuba or Venezuela. Adding Medicare for all would not make us Cuba either. A start towards paying for it would be to reduce spending for the Pentagon, now creeping up to a trillion dollars a year. Point out that countries like the UK and Canada have socialized medicine, yet are not totalitarian dictatorships.

    3. Stop calling for the abolition of ICE.

    4. Support secure borders. (I will be accused of racism. Too bad.)

    5. Drop the extreme identity politics, including promotion of alternative pronouns for those of deviant sexuality. (I will be accused of homophobia. Too bad.)

    6. Make promotion of workers’ rights and reduced military spending the top priorities for DSA..
    ==============================================

    I don’t think this is too much to ask of DSA, for them to win back my support.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 25, 2018 at 2:04 pm #

      You are approaching National Socialism here. But without groking the realities of race, you will never get past the outer suburbs of Fascism at best or European (fag/fem) Socialism at worse.

      • elysianfield July 25, 2018 at 7:35 pm #

        “But without groking the realities of race,”

        Janos,
        Of course we can have National Socialism without the racial baggage…no? Racial/cultural issues are not necessarily wedded to National Socialism it its pure form…but merely issues to address.

        Now I know what you are thinking…they addressed those issues back in the 1930’s. But the issue, and the…excesses reported, did not materially impact those National Socialism economic successes provided to the German people.

        National Socialism does not necessarily require hob nailed boots, pogroms and …lebensraum…just the European model.

  62. Tate July 25, 2018 at 12:24 pm #

    “There is a difference between democratic socialism and Stalinist socialism or socialism under communism!”

    Indeed. Democratic socialism is more akin to Fascism. Democratic socialism equates to the therapeutic state, with an ideology of Universal Egalitarianism. It renounces the fetish of economic productivity which afflicted soviet communism although it shares the same progressive fallacy of engineering a new people.

    A state based on ideology rather than an intact people will always be strident & seeking enemies both external & internal because that’s the only way it can be held together, by rallying its disparate peoples to the cause.

    • sprawlcapital July 25, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

      Interesting. Who knows, maybe I will never go back to DSA. On the other hand, do you want to privatize all the socialist enterprises I list above? That seems like a bad idea to me.

      • Tate July 25, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

        No, I don’t want to privatize them.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 25, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

      Ok, but Fascism is far more “yang” and blud and guts – proud of its unique history and traditions. Not just interested in unwed mothers and their brats. And in fact, against all such immorality – but yes, interested in taking care of the Folk.

      • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 7:33 am #

        “Not just interested in unwed mothers and their brats.”

        Unwed mothers like Fräulein Schicklgruber and her brat’s brat, you mean?

  63. JohnAZ July 25, 2018 at 12:28 pm #

    Here is my shopping list.

    Tell me what Russian meddling is. What have they done to our voting system? All the media and the Obama directed DOJ boys tell us that Russia meddled in our election. By doing what? Trying to influence the voters with propaganda on Facebook? That is an insult to my intelligence. If someone, somewhere could prove to me that Russia has the tools to change the vote counted, that is bad news. Back to paper ballots. These are supposed to be free elections, all inputs made available to all the voters. If Russia has an axe to grind against a candidate, or likes a candidate, I suppose it is their right to advertise it. Is there anything that the Russkies are being accused of that is more corrupt than what the Clintonoids did to Bernie. Nope! Want to know why Russia probably preferred Trump, read up on oil projects in Russia under EXXON Mobil auspices. And remember where our last SOS came from.

    • Walter B July 25, 2018 at 9:26 pm #

      I had not really thought about this as you have put it John, but after reading how succinctly you worded this, you are absolutely correct, “influencing” voters, what bullshit! Isn’t that what the parties, the candidates, the political advertisements and all of the political workers do, try to “influence” voters? If the loser assholes that have a problem with this somehow equate this to stuffing ballot boxes, gad, can anyone be that stupid ? I guess that is a rhetorical question.

    • K-Dog July 25, 2018 at 11:46 pm #

      By doing what? Trying to influence the voters with propaganda on Facebook? That is an insult to my intelligence.

      Thank the stars in the sky someone has some intelligence to be insulted. Finding people with the wattage to know they even have been insulted is getting hard to do.

  64. Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 1:35 pm #

    To: PeteAtomic:

    I just returned from my 12-day bike trip. I spent 3 nights, July 18, 19 and 20, in a motel very close to the Duluth Airport (former Duluth AFB). I am disappointed you were away on the 20th. I kept a daily hand-written log of my trip and will post it here on CFN in increments once I get it typed up.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm #

      Any spills? See any accidents or wild life? I saw a mule deer and a pronghorn on my trip across America. Any high yellows in the big D, or truck stop barbies a rebours?

      • Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 2:47 pm #

        Any spills?

        ==========

        No, but a few close calls while trying to negotiate thru loose gravel. As to your other questions, all will be revealed in its chronological order once I type it up and post it here.

      • Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 8:39 pm #

        Any high yellows in the big D – Janos

        ============

        Blacks of what ever skin shade were rare in Canada and a small % of the pop. in northern Michigan and the Duluth area. This is my impression. I have not looked up any data.

    • PeteAtomic July 25, 2018 at 4:55 pm #

      yeah well, I hope it won’t be too expensive to get your bike in shape after the terrible roads around Duluth here, lol

      • Tate July 25, 2018 at 6:38 pm #

        There will be no potholes in the glorious driverless future!!!

        corbettreport.com/kias-driverless-future-propagandawatch/

      • Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 8:15 pm #

        Everywhere I traveled, both in Canada and the US, there were long stretches of roadway under repair, resurfacing or replacement. I think the harsh winter made this necessary. The costs must be running in the tens of billions. On the road up the north shore to Two Harbors the cracks with mini-frost heaves came at me every one or two seconds….buh bump…buh bump…buh bump…etc…ad infinitum. Wisconsin seemed to have better roads than most.

        Motor scooters have smaller wheels/tires than motor cycles so when you hit a bump or pothole the jarring is more intense.

  65. StillFarmin July 25, 2018 at 2:16 pm #

    “The allegation that Russia “hacked” Hillary’s email and the DNC server is so far without evidence, and computer forensics strongly suggests that the information was transferred onto a flash-drive on its journey to Wikileaks” … is … um … just an allegation.

    An entirely unsourced one,

    By a part-time blogger and FT angry old guy.

    Whoop dee doo.

    Wait, another prediction of imminent market collapse? Keep it up, Dr. Chairman! One of these centuries you’ll be right. Meanwhile, smarter more influential people are actually in charge of events.

    My holdings in a mega scale garbage collector are up 7% today alone!

    If you had stuck to your most excellent critique of our sheet-stained suburban spiritual hellhole from way back when, instead of gettings paid pennies to hate on Hillary, you would be much better off.

    Oh well …

  66. 100th Avatar July 25, 2018 at 4:14 pm #

    The superior intelligence that is running this simulation we’re all stuck in has a fabulous sense of humor.

    It’s twisted, dark, and absurd, but zany with a touch of camp for good measure.

    The FBI is now interviewing… Omarosa.

  67. janet July 25, 2018 at 7:23 pm #

    “A president who knows nothing about economics started a trade war which hurt farmers so he put them on welfare with money he’s borrowing from the same countries he started the trade war with.“ —my point of view

    What Trump said today is that $12 BILLION OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS are going to handouts to the farmers.

    So, thanks to Trump’s ignorance about the consequences of his starting a trade war, we, the taxpayers are getting stuck with a $12 BILLION DOLLAR welfare bill to bail out the farmers Trump has hurt, money that should have come out of Trump’s pocket, not ours.

    Except that Trump doesn’t even have one billion dollars according to his tax returns.

    • Q. Shtik July 25, 2018 at 8:20 pm #

      Please explain how you can tell the value of one’s assets by looking at their tax return.

      Also, I was not aware Trump’s tax returns had been revealed.

      • Walter B July 25, 2018 at 9:36 pm #

        Idiots do not understand things like tax returns Q. And they probably don’t have any assets anyway so they don’t understand that assets are not income. And those who hire H&R Block to do their incomes tax returns have no idea what any of the numbers mean anyway. The dumbing down of the populous is almost complete now.

        • janet July 25, 2018 at 10:44 pm #

          “Idiots do not understand things like tax returns” — WalterB

          Trump’s joint tax return with his third wife, Melania — their first after getting married in January 2005 — shows earned income of just $998,599. Most of the Trumps’ income instead came from investments, including $67.8 million in rents and royalties, $42.4 million in business income, $32.2 million in capital gains and $9.4 million in interest.

          But the return also claimed $103.2 million in unspecified business losses.

          The Trumps’ itemized deductions were more than $17 million — but without a more detailed copy of the return, it’s impossible to know how much of those deductions were from charitable contributions or state and local taxes. The Trumps did disclose $23,940 in taxes paid in foreign countries.

          Those deductions would have allowed him to pay just $5.3 million in federal income taxes that year if not for a quirk of the tax code called the alternative minimum tax, which targets high earners with big exemptions.

          With the AMT, the Trumps ended up owing more than he had withheld, meaning they had to pay nearly $2.3 million in additional taxes with their return. The return shows they paid more than $88,000 in penalties and $68,000 in interest for under-withholding.

          His overall tax rate was about 25%.

          Previously, the only Trump tax returns publicly known were state tax returns from 1995 showing he lost more than $913 million — a figure that would allow him to potentially take a deduction for losses for years. Those returns were obtained by The New York Times in October.

          But the few pages of tax returns leaked so far shows the bottom lines of his financials for two years a decade apart — and without the schedules that would detail the sources of that income. And while a legally required financial disclosure statement discloses Trump’s holdings in more than 500 different ventures, that document gives only a broad outline of his financial interests.

          • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 8:43 am #

            Thanks, Janet-bot, for quoting nearly this entire article verbatim. But you’ll have to do better if you want to compete with Alexa.

          • Walter B July 26, 2018 at 10:24 am #

            As I said Exscotticus, most people have no understanding of math, finance or tax returns. Those who do and especially those who can afford to hire accountants and tax lawyers can easily structure their finances and their incomes so that a tax return is of absolutely zero value in illustrating their financial status. Best of all, it can all be done legally, especially if they have set up a “Foundation” or two. Just ask the Clinton Crime Cartel.

          • Tate July 26, 2018 at 5:22 pm #

            Quick test to determine if someone has a clue about taxes:

            “What is the difference between a tax deduction & a tax credit?”

            If they can’t answer this without stumbling, they know virtually nothing.

          • Walter B July 26, 2018 at 6:06 pm #

            Yes Tate a huge difference. I was amazed when I found out that the IRS qualifies premiums paid for “Affordable” Healthcare insurance a tax credit and will therefore make most of your monthly premium payments for you up front or as a lump sum at tax time, you choose. This is a major league difference from lowering your taxable income by the premiums paid. Of course it also means that taxpayers are paying for the insurance, but it is crap anyway so those of us who have it cannot afford to use it anyway. A true lose-lose situation. Thank you Barry Obama.

          • Tate July 26, 2018 at 8:25 pm #

            Right, Walter, a gift from the taxpayers to the big medical insurance companies. That’s what the scam called Obamacare was all about.

  68. Janos Skorenzy July 26, 2018 at 1:02 am #

    freedomoutpost.com/obama-nominated-queer-judge-membership-of-al-qaeda-isnt-incompatible-with-america…

    This is wack, a symptom of the coming destruction and a further cause of it. It’s like having Janet as a Judge….

    But to be clear: she’s no crazier than Paul Ryan raving against nationalism and for open borders. They’re just two sides of the same coin.

  69. Janos Skorenzy July 26, 2018 at 4:16 am #

    Great article by a highly intelligent Jew about his awakening to the horrors of his own Tradition and People. The Leftist Jew, Israel Shahak, was his entry point as he has been for so many others. He affirms just about everything I have learned from David Duke, William Pierce, Harold Covington, Adolf Hitler, etc in last decade and more.

    As the Bard said, ripeness is all. For those who have eyes to see, let them feast on the knowledge herein.

    unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    • janet July 26, 2018 at 8:45 am #

      “He affirms just about everything I have learned from David Duke, William Pierce, Harold Covington, Adolf Hitler, etc “ —janos

      Don’t forget Swami P of ISKCON

      • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 11:13 am #

        You are such a joker.

        dont forget crowley and elron.

    • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 11:12 am #

      He also is mentioned at Lasha Darkmoons site? I forget the name of the site.

    • Tate July 26, 2018 at 12:10 pm #

      Ron got several days of DDoS attacks after that article appeared. I ordered the Shahak book. I noticed in his latest, he’s also curated the Protocols, LOL.

      • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 4:15 pm #

        Typical.
        You know Alex S book, ‘200 Years Together’ is now free?

  70. FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 6:46 am #

    Looks like Trump muscles the Fourth Reich (aka European Union) to pay reparations to the American people for the interference into American politics (and on the wrong side):

    European Union representatives told me that they would start buying soybeans from our great farmers immediately. Also, they will be buying vast amounts of LNG!

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1022287249432563712

    Somehow I have a sneaky suspicion that this “American LNG gas” will be re-packaged Russian gas sold through American companies – much cheaper than drugging it all the way over Atlantic, and Russia makes a cut too.

    Probably it is one of the Helsinki bullet points.

    • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 8:18 am #

      “much cheaper than drugging it all the way over Atlantic”

      Will it not come voluntarily? That’s really patriotic gas you’re talking about 🙂 .

      “Probably it is one of the Helsinki bullet points.”

      Putin’s certainly made a few ‘bullet points’ in his time… Keeps the dissidents on their toes. Those that dodge the bullets.

      An entirely different point from the Russian ‘meddling’ issue, BTW, which I don’t bother with, because if your ‘democracy’ can survive the Koch brothers’ focused ‘meddling’ it can survive a few ‘meddling’ Russians.

      They ‘meddled’ in Brexit too (both the Russians and the Kochs want Brexit, obviously). Who cares? I’m sure they’re waiting to ‘meddle’ by helping out the redundant workers in due course, as Brexit shambles on to its no-deal cliff edge. I’m at the popcorn stage now. Waiting for Trump to try to dump his taxpayer-subsidised chlorinated chicken and hormone-stuffed beef on the idiot UK in exchange for asset-stripping the NHS.

      You voted for this shitshow, Brexiteers, you own it when people you know you can’t get their cancer meds. Don’t blame the Russkies. Maybe Trumpland will send us some nuclear medicine Red Cross parcels when we’ve crashed out of Euratom. You have to be quick with those isotopes, though – you turn you head and half of it’s disappeared 🙂 . There are a few things you’re better getting from the local shops.

      Leading Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg will be OK, though – his mum-in-law might be able to put up a few Brexit-redundant workers in her pile, especially now the British taxpayer has forked out £7.6m to keep it in tip-top condition:

      ft.com/content/d5efd3a0-b32f-11e6-a37c-f4a01f1b0fa1

      Jacob won’t need to stay there, though. He has his own money. And Jacob’s investors are more interested in the Cayman Islands. Like those of arch-Brexiter John Redwood MP who told his investment bank clients to invest in the EU and not the UK.

      These are the ‘leaders’ who told voters to ‘take back control’.

      And people worry about the Russians…

      • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 9:01 am #

        Note re poetic license: Lady Juliet Tadgell (Jake’s ma-in-law) doesn’t actually own the pile any more.

        And the pile in which he was partially brought up is a little more modest:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ston_Easton_Park

        So when he tells the British public that having a job isn’t everything, compared to, you know, ‘taking back control’, we can be assured the man knows what austerity feels like.

      • janet July 26, 2018 at 9:32 am #

        Russia is a minor regional player with a failng economy. Putin is a two bit dictator who misuses power out of fear. He was afraid of Pussy Riot. If Putin didn’t have kompromat Trump would give Putin a place on the world stage… I mean … If Putin didn’t have kompromat Trump wouldn’t … would not … not give Putin control of America.

        • Billy Hill July 26, 2018 at 10:41 am #

          “Russia is a minor regional player with a failng economy…”

          Somewhat the point (“regional player”) that Buchanan makes.

          If Russia is so monumentally insignificant then why the obsession?

          A mere gnat flying around the mighty T-REX of Oceania. You’d think T-Rex might have better things to do.

          • Tate July 26, 2018 at 12:13 pm #

            Ultimately, it’s about the resource base which the Russian state controls. Look at a globe.

          • Billy Hill July 27, 2018 at 8:16 am #

            Indeed, that resource base is why the Russian State balance of payments is positive, although I would not want to make too much of that, as the US dollar qua reserve currency creates deficit-by-design, which also is made into more than it is.

            Russia also has a space program I hear. Sells rocket engines to NASA. Provides shuttle service to Int’l space station. Yes, a failing economy, minor regional player, blah, blah,blah.

            This diplomacy-by-insult began under Obama and is indicative of the creative thinking taking place at Foggy Bottom and other bastions of US policy making.

      • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 9:47 am #

        So you’re obviously not a fan of Brexit. And yet you extoll the virtues of socialist Norway–a nation that has turned down EU membership time and again. I guess as a result, they don’t have cancer drugs either? They certainly don’t need to “take back control” since they never gave it up in the first place.

        • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:08 am #

          I’m not a fan of idiocy and shooting oneself in the foot, Exscotticus.

          And I expect the people who voted for it (17.4 million deciding the fate of 65 million) to stand up and own the consequences. But they’re not. They’re already trying to blame it on the EU.

          Like someone stopping their gym membership and blaming the gym for not letting them just use the showers, the car park and maybe the swimming pool, because that’s all they wanted to use. Oh, and perhaps the rowing machines and the autoteller.

          Norway aren’t currently dependent on Euratom for their nuclear medicine supplies so they have, you know, existing arrangements.

          And you won’t have any difficulty in finding Norwegians to point out to you that Norway has the worst of both worlds – they have to abide by EU regulations but have no say in deciding them. We may end up with that, out of desperation. But we probably won’t be that lucky.

          blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-leave-britain-worst-worlds-like-norway/

          Of course, this was considered the ‘worst of both worlds’ (by the Tory Spectator!) back in 2016 before many people thought we might crash out without a deal as it’s currently looking.

          And to think the UK, because of its prestigious pre-Brexit medical sector, accommodated the European Medicines Agency. Which it has now lost.

          Hey ho…

          Sorry, Ex, but Norway has to abide by the four freedoms, which includes freedom of movement of workers within the EU. It’s also part of Schengen, which the UK isn’t.

          So how much control do you reckon that gives them? Obeying rules they have no say in?

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:11 am #

            I take it you did know that Norway is in EFTA?

          • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 10:34 am #

            >>> And you won’t have any difficulty in finding Norwegians to point out to you that Norway has the worst of both worlds – they have to abide by EU regulations but have no say in deciding them.

            So it’s fair to say that you do believe Norway’s refusal to join the EU and “retain their autonomy” (See? I put that in quotes for you), is a mistake.

            Yes, GreenAlba, I am aware that there are varying levels of EU involvement. For example, the UK never gave up its currency despite being a full-fledged member. Good thing, too, as it makes the dissolution easier.

            All political unions have pros and cons. All unions involve some loss of member autonomy for shared benefits. If we can agree on this, then the rest is just a cost-to-benefit analysis. I won’t argue with you on whether or not it’s worth it; I will argue with you if you imply that Brexit doesn’t restore the autonomy that was lost prior to the union.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:16 am #

            They don’t want to be full members of the EU but they don’t have autonomy, as I have already explained. Their deal is way worse than the UK’s current deal within Europe.

            blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/11/20/youll-hate-it-why-the-norway-option-amounts-to-self-inflicted-subs…

            Hope this helps.

            As regards Britain’s future autonomy, I have also explained previously how that will be lost.

            The holy grail for the Brexit leaders (who should more properly be referred to as ‘Atlantacists’ to my mind) is a trade deal with the US. See, for instance, Liam Fox and his now-defunct Atlantic Bridge (Fox was previously sacked for confusing his private and public obligations – he stands to make lots of money, as do other Brexit leaders, by helping the US asset-strip the UK post Brexit):

            theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/corporate-dark-money-power-atlantic-lobbyists-brexit

            So, let’s look again at this hypothetical trade deal with the US, where it has to take your socialist chlorinated chickens. I’m just using this as an illustration – it will apply to any other US product.

            Now, the reason these currently socialist chickens are chlorinated is because husbandry standards in the US are rather more lax than in the EU. That means you can keep your socialist chickens in filthy conditions (and now be subsidised for doing so!) and spray the surface of them with a bit of Mr Muscle before they go to the shops.

            In the EU, on the other hand, we prefer to keep the chickens in more hygienic conditions and not use the Mr Muscle.

            (Similarly you’re allowed to stuff your cows with growth hormones, and our farmers aren’t).

            Now, let’s assume we trade with you. And you’re the bigger partner (well we don’t have to assume that, because you are).

            We have to adopt your regulations in order to buy your Mr Muscled socialist chickens, which are also subsidised!!!

            But, if the UK dares to pass domestic legislation regarding the welfare of chickens, it (the UK) can be prosecuted in a secret corporate court by American corporations that think the legislation – passed by the sovereign Westminster Parliament – might (just might) affect said corporations’ bottom line. And this is approved by the sovereign political entity that is the US.

            Then think about the NHS being asset-stripped by your jolly ‘healthcare’ sector, as well.

            So tell me about sovereignty again in some sense that affects my actual life? And which parts of Norway’s remaining autonomy do you specifically wish for the UK?

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:17 am #

            Atlanticists

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:28 am #

            I should more properly say ‘husbandry regulations’ than ‘husbandry standards’ to avoid ambiguity.

            The US doesn’t like regulations. So while there will be lots of very decent farmers raising their chickens in exemplary conditions – to exemplary standards of their own choosing, nobody’s going to force them to, because it’s an American farmer’s right to raise his chickens in dirty conditions if he damn well wants to. As long as someone downstream has some Mr Muscle standing by.

            So standards/b> may be high in a lot of places but regulatory standards/b> aren’t. Because…freedom or something. And it’s not American standards that are going to change in the event of a trade deal with the big boys.

            That’s why it’s called a race to the bottom.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:30 am #

            Sorry, messed up the bold. It was bound to happen…

            So standards may be high in a lot of places but regulatory standards aren’t. Because…freedom or something. And it’s not American standards that are going to change in the event of a trade deal with the big boys.

            That’s why it’s called a race to the bottom. Sovereignty be damned.

          • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

            >>> They don’t want to be full members of the EU but they don’t have autonomy, as I have already explained. Their deal is way worse than the UK’s current deal within Europe.

            While joining the EU is clearly about trade, leaving the EU is clearly not. I think it’s fair to say that it’s mostly about border autonomy and all that entails.

            I agree with your assessment that EFTA alone (in theory) undermines border autonomy, which is why EFTA is not a Brexit-compatible option. That being said, the Swiss have openly defied EFTA “freedom of travel” provisions to no ill effect (it’s amazing how quickly laws and principles fall by the wayside when a significant trade surplus is threatened).

            >>> So tell me about sovereignty again in some sense that affects my actual life? And which parts of Norway’s remaining autonomy do you specifically wish for the UK?

            Obviously having autonomy is not the same as exercising it (although the latter is clearly the gold standard for claiming such autonomy in the first place). Obviously, laws, regulations, whatever, are only as good as their enforcement.

            Legally, in theory, illegal aliens in California can’t vote for POTUS. In practice, there’s very little to stop them, and in fact Cali has done everything to facilitate it.

            Back to the UK, it may very well be that—post-Brexit—nothing much changes. It may be that powerful Koch-brothers-like forces “collude” to keep the cheap labor flowing. But that will then be a national UK issue and not an EU one. That’s the difference.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 1:42 pm #

            The difference regarding post-Brexit immigration will be that more of it will come from outside the EU.

            So fewer Poles and more Indians (I’m simplifying, but India have already said that’s the deal if there’s a trade deal). And the UK is going to be desperate for trade deals, even though it underestimates how long it takes to negotiate them (look how long it’s taken them to NOT negotiate anything with the EU). And how much ‘control’ you have to negotiate away. ‘Desperate’ is not a good negotiating position. Voters were lied to. ‘Red, white and blue brexit’, haha. The government hadn’t even done an economic assessment of the consequences of Brexit.

            The UK doesn’t have open borders. The government already has and had full sovereign control over non-EU immigration.

            EU immigrants can be sent home if they have been here for 3 months (or whatever the time is) and haven’t found a job. It’s not the EU’s fault if the UK hasn’t bothered to do that. For UK governments everything’s always someone else’s fault.

            And the Swiss situation is far from resolved. They haven’t even had their referendum yet,

            ft.com/content/154b400e-fae0-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a

            And they may find all their treaties with the EU torn up.

            “Back to the UK, it may very well be that—post-Brexit—nothing much changes. ”

            If only. Just as an example, those Sunderland voters whose Brexit votes came in first are hosts to a massive Nissan plant. Nissan are in the UK because of seamless trade with the EU, which is going to stop.

            Why would Nissan want the hassle, the costs and the delays? What will those workers do instead in the north of England that used to make steel and ships? They aren’t going to be making steel and ships again, that’s for sure. They’re going to be signing on at the Jobcentre. And some will lose their homes because they can’t pay their mortgages.

            And they’re going to get angry and frustrated. And they can’t blame themselves because people don’t do that, so who are the usual scapegoats, especially in Brexity areas, when things aren’t going well?

            But I bet you won’t waste any tears when we get shafted by corporate America and lose any meaningful sovereignty to the likes of Kaiser Permanente. Why would you?

            But like I said, I’m at the popcorn stage. But do I think the Brexiters will own the mess they’re making? Not for a second.

            cnet.com/news/brexit-leave-campaign-wipes-website-amid-accusations-of-false-promises/

            The fact remains that voters were lied to by the Leave campaign. If they’d been told lots of them would lose their jobs but it would be worth it for, you know, ‘sovereignty’ that would be fine. But they weren’t.

            Jacob Rees-Mogg has apparently said it will be 50 years before the UK sees any benefit. And he’s a fan, so you can imagine where the truth lies. (Probably in accounts in the Cayman Islands where his investment bank clients do their deals. Jacob’s taking back control. Not that his lot need to – they’ve always had it.) And in the long term, as Keynes pointed out, we are all dead.

            But who cares, eh?

        • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:57 am #

          PS I don’t recall extolling the virtues of ‘socialist Norway’ in the first place. I gather they’re in a good place, though, because they used their oil windfall to build a sovereign wealth fund for their people’s future (maybe that’s what you meant by ‘socialist’? I’d call that responsible financial management, but hey…) while not-at-all-socialist Thatcher blew ours on tax cuts and fuelling the 80s boom that ended with the 80s bust and lots of people out of work.

          Never trust ‘socialists, eh?

          newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/thatcher-and-north-sea-oil-%E2%80%93-failure-invest-britain%E2%80%…

        • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 1:51 pm #

          >>> The UK doesn’t have open borders. The government already has and had full sovereign control over non-EU immigration.

          This is simply not accurate.

          As I have already explained, a single “open borders” member can undermine the UK’s sovereign control over non-EU immigration. How? By simply naturalizing them and providing passports.

          Germany’s laws provide a clear naturalization path for all the millions of Muslims they took in, after which these Muslims can get German passports and travel and work freely throughout Europe.

          And there’s nothing an EU-UK can do about it.

          Did the UK’s EU rep get a vote on how many millions Germany could accept? Links please. Does the UK get a vote on how many can become German citizens? Do they get a vote on Germany’s naturalization laws? Of course not; that’s up to Germany.

          And so… one member nation’s immigration and naturalization policy trumps any autonomy the UK has over its own borders. All it takes is one “open borders” member and that’s that. There goes the neighborhood.

          And while Germany may see no distinction whatsoever between naturalized Syrian Muslim immigrants and native-born Germans raised with German culture and German values, the UK Brexiteers see a significant difference.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 3:04 pm #

            Oops, wrong again.

            openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/eu-migration-crisis-will-refugees-acquire-full-free-movement-rights/

            “Long-term residency is not enough to secure free movement rights.

            “If refugees end up staying in Europe permanently they can acquire long-term resident status – subject to meeting certain conditions – as per the 2003 EU Directive on the status of non-EU nationals who are long-term residents. This gives them the same rights as that of EU member state’s nationals in certain areas, although it does not bestow an absolute right to free movement on par with EU nationals.

            “In any event, the UK, along with Ireland and Denmark, are exempt from this directive. This means that the UK does not have to allow non-EU nationals who are long-term residents of other member state into the UK if it does not want to. If it does allow them entry to the UK it is on the same basis as other non-EU nationals, i.e. meeting any relevant skills and income criteria. Therefore, the UK already has additional controls over immigration policy compared to other EU member states.

            I hope we’re nearly there.

          • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 3:11 pm #

            Straw man. Where did I use the term “long-term residents”?

            I said very clearly: naturalized Syrian Muslim immigrants. That means these immigrants are full-fledged German citizens. They are not “long-term residents”. And if those citizens acquire passports, then they can move freely about Europe.

            Who decides if or when these Syrian Muslim immigrants become naturalized? Germany does—in accordance with German law. The UK does not get a vote on this.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:12 pm #

            So how many have been naturalised?

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:16 pm #

            And if you read the rest of the article it discusses how likely naturalised refugees are to move to another country.

            But it’s obviously easier just to stick this in front of voters:

            dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-copies-nazi-propaganda-8209318

            Which Farage did.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:23 pm #

            And note that the 40 years of tabloid whingeing by Murdoch et al that paved the way to the referendum was way way before there were any Syrian refugees. In fact way before the UK helped bomb Iraq into the Middle Ages and kick off the destabilisation of an entire region.

            But Europe and the US must never have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Because consequences are for adults.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:30 pm #

            Also, you might ask yourself which of the EU countries supported the war that kicked off unrest in a whole region, which have now got the refugees, and which don’t want to suffer the consequences of being a Bush poodle. Funny that.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 26, 2018 at 5:28 pm #

          Refugees are not Immigrants, Alba. You forgot to mention them, yet they take up resources and make Britain less British just as much as immigrants do, if not more.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 7:31 pm #

            I didn’t mention refugees because Exscotticus seemed to be mixing them together with immigrants. The Syrians he’s talking about from 2015 onwards are mostly refugees. Their annual numbers have diminished enormously since 2015, of course. There are about 1.3 million in Germany from 2015-17, not ‘millions’.

            Britain has hardly any Syrian refugees compared to the rest of western Europe (about 11,000 so far – the plan is to settle 20,000 by 2020). It has chosen to provide most of its help in the form of supporting the refugees closer to home and has provided more money than most countries towards that effort. I presume you approve of that.

            And most young Syrians in the UK are already studying or in work, even though they’ve hardly been here any time:

            independent.co.uk/news/syria-refugees-crisis-uk-immigration-work-studying-research-latest-updates-a8…

            The refugees in Germany, some of whom may end up naturalised, would, in order to achieve that, (a) have to be in Germany for 8 uninterrupted years (minus 2 if they are ‘especially well integrated’), (b) speak German well, (c) be able to cover costs for themselves and their families (i.e. not be a drain), (d) have committed no serious criminal offences, and (e) pass a naturalisation test, as they would in any other country.

            Why they would go to all that effort and then move to the UK (or Norway?) I don’t know, but if they were doctors, nurses or engineers we could do with them now.

          • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 10:23 pm #

            I don’t make a distinction between immigrants, migrants, refugees, undocumented workers, or whatever other terms you want to use, because from the perspective of border autonomy, it makes no difference whatsoever.

            Obviously there are legal differences; refugees have immediate access to the public largesse and immigrants do not. But the idea that these Syrian refugees are just gonna hang out for a few years until Syria stabilizes and then go home is naive in the extreme. They’re here to stay. And there are millions more pounding on the doors to get in.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 10:10 am #

        Maybe Trumpland will send us some nuclear medicine Red Cross parcels

        Well, GA, think of the bright side of the Brexit – without it you might worry about some “nuclear medicine” sent by TK-208 parcels in response to persistent desire of EU to drang nach osten.

        Security always beats mercantile considerations.

        • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 10:18 am #

          May be, GA, you should watch again BBC documentary World War Three: Inside The War Room to get a better understanding of one of the main reasons for Brexit:

          bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2016/05/inside-the-war-room

          However, I have a suspicion you know it better than I do.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:29 am #

            I haven’t see it, Finca. It’s a war-game drama. So?

        • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:26 am #

          I don’t support everything the EU does, FInca. And I don’t support initiatives that push cold-war notions either. I’m perfectly happy to heat my home with Russian gas, for example, if we can’t get enough out the North Sea (and I’d like us to wean ourselves off gas anyway).

          The Russians are not my enemies. One day I’d like to visit. And I have a Russian-speaking friend who might be the one to go with. But I wouldn’t be going with any illusions about current Russian governance, just as when I saw the beauty of Palmyra and Bosra I remained aware that the streets of Damascus were full of Assad’s goons, even if I didn’t know who they were.

          Shared security has been one of the EU’s good points, but I’m thinking more of winkling out Jihadis than any drang nach osten. That’s currently at risk, to the detriment of both sides.

          • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 10:32 am #

            Do you support NATO Article 5 and ready to see your grandson die if some crazy politician in Montenegro does something not too smart?

            That’s exactly how the WWI started, if you have forgotten.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:40 am #

            My previous posts were about the EU, not NATO. We’ll still be in NATO when we leave the EU, so I don’t get your point.

          • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 4:18 pm #

            So how many have been naturalised?
            Too many.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm #

            In Germany, Malthuss, it would be none from the big 2015 batch, because they’d have to have been there for 8 years as a law-abiding citizen, just for starters, possibly reduced to six years if they’ve ‘integrated particularly well’.

  71. FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 10:39 am #

    I’m thinking more of winkling out Jihadis than any drang nach osten.

    The good old England, headed by Queen Elizabeth II two years ago began to make a giant 180-degree turn, giving up the British policy towards Islam, which it conducted for at least 300 years.

    And the result of this turn was Brexit, and an attempted coup in Turkey, and the collapse of NATO, and the failure of the election campaign of Hillary Clinton.

    And the visible part of this turn was the BBC film “The Third World War: Inside The War Room”.

    Without viewing this film, it is impossible to understand modern politics.

    vimeo.com/154370371

    • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 10:51 am #

      Finca, it’s a war game. Hypothetical. Drama. Not a documentary.

      And Lizzie doesn’t make policy. I’ve explained this to you already, although I do realise it’s a lost cause.

      You might like these articles by Simon Jenkins, with which I have some sympathy:

      theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/28/britain-global-military-power-armed-forces-defence-spendin…

      theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/12/donald-trump-nato-costly-white-elephant-russia

      Although he contradicted himself in advance of these back when he was having a go at Corbyn, but that’s journalists for you.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 11:07 am #

        Not a documentary

        As close as it could be. Notice that the members of Her Majesty’s Most Honourable Privy Council are playing themselves.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 11:17 am #

        For the first time, we have filmed a major war game with some of Britain’s most senior military, political and diplomatic figures. The War Room includes former Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe General Sir Richard Shirreff; First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West; Joint Intelligence Committee Chair, Baroness Neville-Jones; British Ambassador to the United States, Sir Christopher Meyer; and British Ambassador to Moscow, Sir Tony Brenton – and the group contains a whole spectrum of views about how we should regard President Putin’s Russia.

        bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2016/05/inside-the-war-room

        • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:19 am #

          It’s still a war-game drama. And I was still posting about the EU/Brexit, which has nothing to do with NATO.

          • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 11:28 am #

            EU/Brexit, which has nothing to do with NATO.

            I wouldn’t be so sure. We live through the Time of Troubles and the Ocean of Change.

          • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 11:37 am #

            We do indeed, Finca. And perhaps I’d rather leave NATO than the EU 🙂 . Perhaps.

      • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 11:23 am #

        Also, please note that in the filming of this “war game” participated retired, but the real members of the Privy Council, which is impossible without the consent of the Queen.

  72. BackRowHeckler July 26, 2018 at 11:24 am #

    Looks like up in Toronto the Muzzies never got the Universal Peace and Love message, what with 14 people gunned down in ‘Greek Town’, spoiling everybody’s evening and requiring Official Canada to twist themselves up like a pretzel to explain that, yes, the shooter was a young Muzzie but this was decidedly NOT an act of terrorism against the West, Whitey, Christians and so on, but a lone wolf act of a deranged, mentally ill individual. It could have been anybody, we’re just disappointed it wasn’t some white nationalist from the States.

    All is well, not to worry.

    The trick here is to convince Canadians the fault lies with President Trump, the NRA, Republicans, American gun manufacturers, white racism, etc. Anybody but the esteemed young Muzzie who pulled the trigger, who, after all, is the real victim here.

    Summer is upon us, the nights are hot, and in our CT cities, once civilized Yankee market towns, now 3rd world welfare colonies that emit no light but consume copious state resources, chaos reigns. Its just a daily litany of shooting, stabbings, stolen cars, deadly car wrecks, public pool drownings, political demonstrations that sometime turn violent, gang beatdowns, and in our daily newspaper op eds written by young ‘community members’ threatening violence against all bigots and racists and Trump supporters which they claim is wholly justified and righteous, considering a good number of these whites may have voted for the current president. Reading editorials such as these, and statements made lately by the distinguished Congresswoman Maxine Waters, it seems it doesn’t occur to them that it might work two ways, not one way, and at some point whitey may react and react rather strenuously to being assaulted in public places but feral lefty mobs. That’s when the fun will really begin.

    brh

    • elysianfield July 26, 2018 at 11:37 am #

      BRH,
      Thank you for the news from the front…keep it coming.

      • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

        Id like for him to take every post he ever posted here and make
        a wordpress site with them…his mention his state where great writers and patriots once lived, now sec 8 people.

    • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 7:23 pm #

      see Greens post at 4.34 pm.

      • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 7:34 pm #

        here

        GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 4:34 pm #

        In Germany, Malthuss, it would be none from the big 2015 batch, because they’d have to have been there for 8 years as a law-abiding citizen, just for starters, possibly reduced to six years if they’ve ‘integrated particularly well’.

    • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 7:40 pm #

      Elysia to Elrond,
      Well, sporty times are becoming more commonplace in the frozen North, eh?

      Toronto is having its issues. The Mayor of Toronto is calling for total gun confiscation among Canadian citizens. You have our sympathy, along with a question…”What the hell is it with you Canadians and guns?”

      washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/23/john-tory-toronto-mayor-suggests-total-disarmament/

  73. elysianfield July 26, 2018 at 11:46 am #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    The BBC, this AM reports that in the last 36 hours, the value of Facebook stock has declined by…76 Billion Dollars. Absent a Rally, or even a dead-cat bounce, Friday, tomorrow, might be a blood bath for the Tech stocks…does one smell panic in the air?

  74. janet July 26, 2018 at 12:43 pm #

    “they (Nowegians) used their oil windfall to build a sovereign wealth fund for their people’s future (maybe that’s what you meant by ‘socialist’? I’d call that responsible financial management,“ —greenalba

    Boom! Mic drop!

    Exscotticus got awfully silent. Socialism in Norway (and democratic socialism anywhere including USA) is just the rational sharing of resources for the benefit of all. Poverty can be eliminated. Services can be provided equally. Like the VA does for veterans, SSA for retirees, credit unions and food co-ops for their members. Socialism is for social benefit. It works to reduce the wealth gap, something America’s runaway greedy capitalism cannot do.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 1:57 pm #

      democratic socialism anywhere including USA

      Problem is which socialism you, Flying Monkeys, are trying to build – democratic socialism or Bernie Sanders Socialism + Foreign policy of Hillary Clinton = National Socialism in a chemically pure form.

    • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 4:02 pm #

      >>> Socialism in Norway (and democratic socialism anywhere including USA) is just the rational sharing of resources for the benefit of all

      That’s a very pleasant way to describe a system where individual rights are continuously eroded for the benefit of others. What’s that specious Star Trek platitude? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. Sounds great until you put it into practice.

      The fact that Norway’s socialism is being fueled by an “oil windfall” simply proves that socialism is incapable of generating wealth on its own. All socialists can do is find sources of wealth to plunder.

      >>> Poverty can be eliminated

      Is that so? Where has it been eliminated? I’ve been all over Europe, and saw bums on the streets in every major city. Granted, they were very well educated and highly articulate bums, bums who spoke four languages fluently, but bums nonetheless.

      Poverty will never be eliminated because population growth will always inevitably outstrip limited resources. Also, some people are parasitic and genuinely enjoy panhandling. They’d do it even if you provided for all their needs. Where I live, poverty is a lifestyle choice. An entire subculture exists around it.

      • GreenAlba July 26, 2018 at 8:18 pm #

        Exscotticus

        Oil is 28% of Norway’s economy. It was prosperous before it had oil.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway#Politics_and_government

        “Norwegians enjoy the second-highest GDP per-capita among European countries (after Luxembourg), and the sixth-highest GDP (PPP) per-capita in the world. Today, Norway ranks as the second-wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation.”

        “Norway is a major shipping nation and has the world’s 6th largest merchant fleet, with 1,412 Norwegian-owned merchant vessels.”

        Norway is the first country which banned cutting of trees (deforestation), in order to prevent rain forests from vanishing. The country declared its intention at the UN Climate Summit in 2014, alongside Great Britain and Germany.

        “Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel.”

        “All socialists can do is find sources of wealth to plunder.” = Ex.

        You mean like humans, er, everywhere, since forever? Including your ancestors? And everyone from the Conquistadors to Exxon Mobil?

        Living in the north of England, I almost chose to study Scandinavian languages at university. Maybe I should have.

        • Exscotticus July 26, 2018 at 10:09 pm #

          Straw man. You just conflated my criticism of socialism with an attack on Norway.

          As with all modern economies, Norway has a mixed economic system. It is a capitalist nation (albeit with many socialist elements). Entrepreneurs can incorporate, sell shares of stock, earn profit, and so on.

          So if you want to get into the weeds here, then specifically which aspects of Norway’s socialism generates wealth? Are you going to argue that the aforementioned “sovereign wealth fund” generates wealth? Perhaps—but it’s not because of socialism. That fund is being invested in for-profit corporations. Money is being loaned out—at risk—for a profitable return. That’s capitalism—not socialism.

          So, again, which socialist policies are generating wealth? Policies that do not ultimately depend on capitalism and free markets? The crazy-high taxes don’t generate wealth; they simply transfer wealth. The “free” health care doesn’t generate wealth; it consumes wealth. The “free” university tuition doesn’t generate wealth; it consumes wealth (although perhaps they make it back from the high cost of living students endure, but that’s still a transfer of wealth—not wealth generation).

          I suppose you can argue that all this “free” stuff is an “investment” in human potential that generates wealth. Except I want to see the numbers. How many graduates are actually job creators as opposed to working for corporations or the government?

  75. volodya July 26, 2018 at 3:14 pm #

    Tate, The enemy being “us” is a multidimensional problem. When you see Tim Cook and his ilk being forced by the Chinese government to stare into the middle distance and re-think their convictions or risk having their personal wealth carved off, who is the enemy? The enemy isn’t China. The enemy of the CEO class is themselves and their own misbegotten ideas about foreign investment and trade. The Chinese government didn’t force American companies to place company assets in China or do business in China, American companies did it out of their own volition.

    This is a well known phenomena called dick-headedness, chiefly characterized by peckers inside the skull fucking the brain. There is no cure.

    As far as the Chinese inside America being upset if China conquered the Left Coast, some might be and some might not be. To Americans of Chinese descent who were born and grew up in the US, China is an alien culture and polity. Others that immigrated to the US, did it to escape the clammy clutches of a corrupt regime. Other Chinese Americans might be Blood and Soil types who’d welcome a Left Coast conquest.

    You can read the question different ways. I’m sure, given the political leanings of left coast states, that a lot of Red State people would say good riddance, Chinese or no.

    More generally, the idiot idea of “multi-culturalism” as beneficent is one that has little supporting evidence. “Multi-cultural” or multi-religious or multi-ethnic countries have an alarming tendency to dissolve into immensely destructive civil wars. You see it over and over and over. Those that want to inculcate such a system in the US are outta their fuckin’ minds.

    The US has some bitter experience with trying to incorporate two founding peoples into one nation state and the result was the calamity of 1861-1865 and a protracted cold war that you see playing out in Washington since then, day after day, year after year, decade after decade.

    • Tate July 26, 2018 at 5:30 pm #

      Have you ever read the book, “Nations, A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America” by Colin Woodard? Another good one along the same lines that drills even deeper is “Albion’s Seed” by David Hackett Fischer.

    • malthuss July 26, 2018 at 7:31 pm #

      Read, ‘The Snakehead.’

  76. FincaInTheMountains July 26, 2018 at 8:54 pm #

    About the British elite

    I call the English elite real, and I do not mean that it is highly moral, or more intellectual than the Russian elite or the American one. I mean that they have been faithfully serving the British Empire for 7 centuries, and the British working class, hating all the upper classes, still sees the difference between aristocrats and the bourgeoisie, and in the Times of Trouble, when the good old England is seriously threatened by an external enemy, it always becomes on the side of the aristocracy.

    For comparison, look at the Soviet Union – as a result of the Great Patriotic War, the “Bolshevik elite” has undoubtedly gained legitimacy in the eyes of the people as the organizers of the victory over the deadly enemy, but see how quickly they lost this legitimacy and now the word “elite” in Russia is as swearing word as “democracy”.

    And this is the third time such a story happens with Russia: the first time is undoubtedly the Time of Troubles en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles , and the second time is a short period from February to October 1917.

    Russia in order to educate its elite in my opinion should study the British experience, the basis of which until recently was the system of social elevators, perfectly operating in the context of evolutionary development, of which the most important are the Grammar and Public schools.

    And one of the reasons for the conflict in English society that led to Brexit and the civil war in the United States is that the European-oriented globalist “elite” of Britain (that is, the notorious bourgeoisie) raised a hand on this system of social elevators that are the backbone of the British monarchy.

    The point is that in Britain the meaning of the term Public schools is directly opposite to the meaning of this term in the US – in particular one of these schools is the notorious Eton. And this system is inseparable from the system of Grammar schools, which means classical education, as a result of which the articulated national idea that keeps “elite” children from turning into “dudes”, that is traitors, and those who have risen in a social elevator, into unprincipled careerists.

    The most interesting thing is that Russia was originally implicated in these British social quarrels, as the rise of the British bourgeoisie began with the attack of light cavalry on the Russian positions in the Crimea, when the “polite people” of Nikolai the First knocked out a whole generation of English aristocrats, and the thin red line of British (Scottish) bourgeois won fame on the battlefield and became the new elite of Great Britain.

    The Charge of the Light Brigade” Animated Sequences (from the 1968 Film)

    youtube.com/watch?v=u8kIPiyhw4A

  77. janet July 27, 2018 at 6:23 pm #

    The “free” health care doesn’t generate wealth; it consumes wealth. The “free” university tuition doesn’t generate wealth; it consumes wealth (although perhaps they make it back from the high cost of living students endure, but that’s still a transfer of wealth—not wealth generation).

    Capitalism does not generate wealth if the workers are sick and ignorant. Socialism is necessary in a mixed economy. There are values other than the bottom line.

    A society that guarantees health care and education, a society that does not have its military veterans living under bridges in absolute poverty, is a more pleasant society to live in. Living free from anxiety is not something that the bottom line can express, but there are things more important than money.

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