JHK’s Three-Act Play
Way up here in the heartland, far from the craft beer parlors, Facebook stock bucket shops, and gender obsessions of the mythical Urban Edge People, the detritus of your country is up for sale. The lawns are strewn with the plastic effluvia of lives lived through humankind’s weirdest moment: Pee Wee Herman action figures, creeping tot tables, failed kitchen appliances that created more labor than they were designed to save, extruded plastic this-and-that, unidentifiable knick-knacks of forgotten sitcoms, Jimmy Carter Halloween masks, trikes brittle and faded from ultraviolet exposure, artworks conceived in a Zoloft fog, pre-owned cat litter boxes, someone’s deceased mother’s lawn fanny, the complete works of Jacqueline Susann, a savings bank in the shape of an outhouse….
The puzzling part is that every lawn sale contains exactly the same array of useless and pathetic objects. Is this how a Ponzi culture meets its end: the terminal swap-meet beyond which no horrifying object meets any mystifying desire for acquisition? If this is where consumer culture crawled off to die, then what possible zeitgeist awaits a people left so hopelessly de-cultured on aspiration’s lowest ladder-rung?
I dropped by a religious cult commune in the next town over on Saturday. Some of the guys who dwell there have been helping me out on hire with the physical labor of the rather ambitious garden construction here at Clusterfuck Farm, so I was informed about their weekend festival. The group occupies a former “gentleman’s estate” built in the 1920s when the economic growth machine operated at full Ponzi steam. The buildings are quite beautiful; the main house is a Greco-Roman beaux arts mansion; a massive horse barn has large and graceful arched windows; and there are other houses and barns on the large property, which occupies a sweetly enfolding dell of land in this county of hills and valleys.
The weather couldn’t have been more beautiful and the property was maximally groomed for the festival. There were several tents up, nice ones, decorated with colorful medieval-looking swags. One was a big circular tent set up for the folk-dances that are part of their subculture. You got a very clear picture of the demographic shape of the outfit: at the core of it were vital and healthy-looking young adults, median age around 30, I figured, who were running things, doing most of the work, organizing the daily routines. Then there were the old Boomers turned white-haired grandparents (many times), seekers from the 1970s who had signed on with the outfit long ago, reproduced mightily, and now played a background role in the scheme of things.
There was a costuming motif that was not too intense but allowed for visual self-identification among the members: long skirts for women; beards and pony-tails on the men, who all otherwise dressed in ordinary catalog casuals of the day. It set them apart without making them look too kooky. It also reinforced gender differences (the horror!) in a micro-society not dedicated to erasing and transgressing them. I didn’t know much about the group’s internal workings, but it seemed to me that the men were in charge, and I got the impression that far from representing some clichéd notion of “patriarchal oppression,” it produced a reassuring tone of confidence in clear lines of responsibility – a quality now completely absent in outer America’s culture of incessant lying, systematic fraud, and consensual evasion of reality.
I was especially interested to observe the behavior of the children, of which there were very many. For one thing, they appeared fully integrated into their society, not ring-fenced into some special ghetto of juvenile disempowerment palliated with manufactured video power fantasies and endless snacks. They were unperturbed and self-possessed. None were screaming, quarreling or carrying on. They were not hopped up on Big Gulps and Twinkies. They did not require constant monitoring. They danced along with the adults, or circulated confidently on their own, and with their friends, in the crowd.
I was a keen student of religious cults in the 1970s when I was a young newspaper reporter. The blowback from the Age of Aquarius had propelled a lot of lost souls into quests for meaning and especially communion beyond the sordid precincts of the idiotic common culture of the day. They were also seeking structure in chaotic young lives unable to get traction in a bad economy. I was interested in what the cult scene had to say about America generally and, I confess, attracted to the melodrama of fringe lunacy I found there, including a lot of colorful unbalanced personalities among the various founders and poobahs. I poked around a number of religious cults, including some accused of maliciously coercive practices, and I eventually even wrote a novel based on my experience (“Blood Solstice,” Doubleday, 1988).
All this is to say that I retain a broad skepticism about organized religion in general and about American Utopian endeavor in particular. But the country and its baleful culture are now in an even more advanced state of entropic degeneration than was the case in the last days of Vietnam and Watergate. Those two awful conditions were at least settled and the nation moved on. The troubles that now afflict us guarantee a much broader systemic collapse that will surely require great changes in everything that we do and everything that we are. The demoralization of the larger American public is so stark and pronounced that you can smell it in the rising heat.
What I saw on Saturday on this farm was a wholly different group demeanor: purposeful, earnest, confident, energetic, and cheerful. It mattered too, I think, that this small community’s economy was centered on agriculture and value-added production of common household products (they make soaps and cosmetics for the natural foods market). This was a snapshot of the much smaller-scale and local economy of America’s future, techno-narcissistic fantasies aside. I don’t know whether these people represent a lifeboat, or if these qualities of character can be enacted in a wider consensual culture, and one not necessarily based on religious doctrine, which I am not so avid about.
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I loved this bit:
“The demoralization of the larger American public is so stark and pronounced that you can smell it in the rising heat.”
Yes, but Jim needs to spend more time at yard sales. So often they feature neat old furnishings in a distressed state. They are well made an discarded by suburban doofuses who instead buy cheap crap to fit their new decor.
I fix up the old things and off they go to our distressed farmhouse. Meanwhile, the urban elite buy furnishings from JHK’s side ad to a company selling distressed furniture…what a nation.
Remember Memorial Day! While it still means something, I’m hanging out our flag.
It looks like your reading of Strauss and Howe has stuck with you, as I can see that their paradigm has guided you in which questions you asked and observations you made to answer them. That’s a good thing. Also, I like that you’ve got a name for your agrarian project, Clusterfuck Farms, and a group of like-minded people to help you with it. Even better.
I haven’t been writing about the comparable urban farming movement in Detroit much lately, although it definitely deserves more attention. Instead, I’ve been summarizing news about the interplay between austerity and sustainability that I think characterizes our times, noting the record warm temperatures (for Spring, 2012 so far, and the past 12 months), the latest news in space and astronomy, and the efforts of my students. For those of you interested in what I had to say about Elaine Meinel Supkis, stay tuned. I plan on responding to your questions on my blog.
Until then, Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/
I understand your caution of religiously based subcultures, but I encourage you to not be universally condemning in your outlook. The concept of God is powerful and cannot be eradicated by any social or political system. And it has provided amazing aesthetic and philosophical foundations for sustainable civilizations. The religious impulse can and has been adaptive and productive for many very hopeful and joyful communities of human endeavor. I write this from the bible belt of the American South and invite you to disabuse yourself of rigid and unworthy stereotypes; come down and I would love to show you many examples of religious work that is not judgemental and condemnatory, but loving and charitable.
Some of the best kitchen utensils are ones made in the Good ‘Ol USA, found at yard sales on occasion. I have a french fry maker that is pre-planned obsolescence era (1960’s?) that will crush a handful of french fries out of a raw potato for a hundred more years, long into JHK’s LE. I bought a chinese garlic press that bent on my first little clove. Some bargain.
Better late than never, James
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/scary-no/
kulturCritic
Jim – So nice to read you reporting on a positive example you are seeing in the world. There are lots of positive activities happening out there. We just need to track them down and aka whole lots of noise about it.
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Have a great Memorial Day everyone.
something is a mish
Nice!
I stopped by a garage sale recently, and found an old couple about to move into a condo, selling all their garden and building tools, many of which were pre-alloy steel. 99% of consumer goods made after 1950 are consumer trash, but every once in a while I stumble upon the real. Exceedingly rare, but what a joy when I do.
http://www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com
Welcome to the throw away society. Buy it now and toss it tomorrow,including our veterans: http://youtu.be/wJuH1c7iyFQ
JK’s way of explaining away today was kinda nice. Almost sweet to see him look under some piece of our culture and find a little hope. It does happen in smaller communities, happy to hear he felt a sense of purpose. Kinda nice…
“not ring-fenced into some special ghetto of juvenile disempowerment palliated with manufactured video power fantasies and endless snacks.”
Poetry.
How’s this? Can I qualify ?
As I waited in the ‘short line’ to pay for my $ 5 dollar friday whole roasted chicken, while the ugliest child ever born? hatched? in Christiandom fattened up like a pig ready for slaughter vaguely resembloing that famous mythical charachter the ‘Michelin Man’ stared hungrily at me like a cheese doodle with an extra gallon of sugared soda, her equally swinish morbidly obese piggish mother-warden slid her foodstamp-welfare card through the slot to pay for their (and ours-taxpayers, remember them?) round of ‘vittles’. I will not inventory the contents of her extra king-size large wagon as it is too depressing, even for me. The small piggish child then belched mightily, and from the glazed look in its eyes and the faint smile, took a shit in its pants, I suspect from the smell, shortly before projectile vomiting some green (as opposed to pink-that’s for later in life) slimy matter all over me and everything withing a three foot radius…. Little Piggy congratulated itself by bursting into a child-wail including tears and a out-of-control ranting fit that would frighten a Wildebeast away from its rut.
Just another day in Silicon Valley, America.
Go for chicken, return with vomit and exposure to the plague and Black Death. . . .
Have a Nice Monday in the Nation of Nothing.
“Seems” like they have it together. “Seems” being the key word. Otherwise they and the kids could just be dancing the Fukushima blues stomp.
I find James’ latent gender panic to be quite amusing. Any day now, the byline will change to Jasmine Hannah Kunstler and she will be fabulous.
Sounds like you have the makings of a convert Jimmy Boy!
Seriously, you make pretty good sense when you aren’t trying to make predictions like a self anointed messiah. Boomers like ourselves are often surprised by the size of the counter culture, during the rare moments we are exposed to it. They’re out there, and they do seem a lot more balanced than the average citizen, religious or otherwise. After the die off, maybe they will be around to keep things together long enough for us, as a whole, to reach the next level of evolution. But fortunately, you and I won’t be around to see it.
Nation of Nothing
precisely. go to another country where people are still quite normal, not so OBESE, ignorant, and have not degenerated into mere human placeholders until they expire into mounds of decomposition.
science fiction has become science fact in the wretched US and A.
here in Brazil we spent the weekend roasting 60 pounds of organic beef (spare me any diatribe on deforestation) over eucalyptus charcoal and anjica wood for a neighbor’s 84th birthday. Man still rides his bicycle and drinks a beer each day for his health.
60 guests showed up for the birthday bash as the late afternoon and evening arrived, all different races and shades, but hell who cares, we leave the race-bating and gender ‘conflicts’ (usually by females who are undesirable) to the Yanquis.
Lots of beer and beef (and even a salted chicken grilled over the huge bar-b-q pit) and wonderful funny conversation made it a memorable night, with bouncing Paraguayan accordion/cowboy music played loudly.
no prozac is required, since people provide solace and encouragement to each other in the face of whatever troubles they have. five-year old kids in the stinkin’ USA take bloody anti-depress meds – what a crime the country has become.
we got plenty of land, plenty of great weather, come down and grow your own, get to reknow what community is and rediscover what you lost in the last few (de)generations in the US and A.
wish it weren’t so.
peace peaceniks
Tonight I will honor the memory of my father (B-52 pilot,Vietnam) stepfather (Army engineer in the Phillipines WWII) and my father in-law (retired Marine, Korea and Vietnam, two purple hearts and a Bronze Medal during Tet) I miss them all very much. They all died much too young and took with them wisdom I wish they could share with me during these “interesting” times. Hopefully they are in a better place and someday we can all be together again, get drunk, play cards and talk shit.
The salad I will prepare tonight will be made possible by a “salad shooter” bought at a garage sale of illegal immigrants going back to Jalisco Mexico for a better life.
You don’t have to be a feminist to be a little dismayed at the delight in which Kunstler and certain other social critics take in any sign they see of a return to “patriarchal values” and traditional gender roles. The writings of Kunstler and these others are full of yearning for some past Golden Age they could not possibly remember, but get their ideas about from Currier & Ives prints and old Victorian fashion plates.
This little agrarian community may be a lifeboat, but its denizens sound to me like people who are hiding from a messy, complex reality by taking refuge in a past they perceive as somehow simpler and “purer”, rather than deal with a large and frightening world head-on. A tiny society living in a mythological past in which gender and occupational roles were narrowly defined and very simple might seem like a refuge to people baffled and dismayed by the flexibility and ability to deal with extreme novelty that a person needs to navigate our current crumbling economy in the major shift it’s going through, but it could also turn into a trap.
As for gender roles, they began to break down a long time before the ascendency of cheap oil, in certain pockets of our society, mostly in places where life was very unsettled and required unconventional responses. The old American west comes immediately to mind. It’s no accident that the Western states were the first to recognize female political rights, since settling them took the total of what both partners in a marriage had to give in the way of physical work and endurance, and women were forced to live alone with the kids in leaky sod houses through both winters and summers,and their days were full of heavy “men’s” work of clearing fields, chopping firewood, running cattle, and coping with the lack of the most basic civilized amenities while their men were back east making the money to buy farm implements while living in boarding houses, sitting down to hot meals served in a civilized setting, sleeping with whores, and otherwise enjoying the perks and comforts of town life.
The past is distilled through many filters added by time, until we are left with a very sanitized version of it. We look at an old fashion plate of elegant women garbed in lovely, intricate clothing made and priced for society women, and think that’s how people really dressed, and don’t see the head lice, the brown and gray homespun dresses hardly ever washed and worn with no thought of vanity or grace on stout, unhealthy bodies coarsened and worn out by sheer physical labor and made unhealthier by some of the worst food you ever heard of-food with lead added to give it color and everything made with white flour and fried. We forget that a couple who birthed five children were lucky if two of them made it past the age of five. Every once in a while you get a glimpse at the unsanitary reality of lives long gone, like in a pile of trashy “dime” novels of the Victorian era, bound in gold-tooled leather, that I once discovered in a St. Louis antique store as a young teen, when it amazed me to discover than popular culture c 1880 was just as trashy and vulgar in its way as what was on view c 1966 on television.
Remember, the history of the past 4000 years has been that of growth, of societies that ballooned into vast civilizations based on aggressive expansion and the consumption of ever more resources, with periodic collapses when the society expands to the limits of its resources, a point we’re at now. The difference is that, in the past, there remained many places in the world in which to expand and many reservoirs of untapped resources, so that every new civilization reached greater growth and greater advancement than the one that preceded it.
Now, we’ve reached planetary limits, and unless we find a way to exploit the resources of our solar system, which seems pretty doubtful, our history going forward will be one of contraction and somehow contriving to construct a “stable state” economy. We will have none of the resources such as arable land, ample forests for firewood, or untapped riches of gold and other minerals, that made life in past societies possible, and the conventional responses and solutions, and societal conventions of the past will not suffice us in a world of rapidly shrinking resources and far too many people on every continent on the globe. Life will be about doing what you can with what you have where you are, and will take more imagination, creativity, and flexibility than the folks in the little neo-medieval commune Kunstler describes, can imagine.
Went out to a carrot ranch last week (they grow 10-15 thousand pounds on about half an acre), the owner smart and ambitious (designed and built a custom harvestor and carrot washer) but also intensely Christian. I was questioned about my faith and answered forthrightly agnostic. Still he insisted upon reciting a blessing on me, my wife and daughter. Really had no problem with that – I’ll take all the free blessings that are going – but they always throw in the fear factor at some point and so did he. Just a little twist of the knife to drive it all home.
Still, many of these people are best situated to survive the new reality and they don’t waste their time on dancing with the stars and nicnacks.
delusion,dementia,good-old-days ??? a dose of ernest becker (denial of death) may help. or michael crichton, “The late Michael Crichton put it neatly in a speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco in 2003 when he talked of the ”remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths’. He said:
There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe. Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday—these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs.
(Full text: http://sharpgary.org/ChrichtonCommonweal.html )”
My first conscious thought shortly after birth was – oh shit – Just a little clue if anyone is interested in thinking about something other than the obvious. If not continue seeking food, drink, sex, shelter, and amusement.
I gotta take issue — In the first place, Watergate and Vietnam were never settled. Ford pardoned Nixon. There was no trial. Justice was NOT done. The upshot is that there are plenty of people alive today who are ready to swear that Nixon was innocent and the whole thing was a political witch hunt perpetrated by Democrats who wanted Nixon OUT.
Likewise Vietnam: Millions of Americans stand ready to swear that America lost the Vietnam war because of the cowardice of liberals and the traitorous national press corps.
Abortion is another such issue. So is the Kennedy assassination, but I left those out because I don’t want to write any books in your Web space.
My point is that those issues were never settled and because they were never settled, they fuel the horde of misperceptions that feed the blue-collar “conservative” voters that were formerly known as “Reagan Democrats.” Today they are called the religious right, the Tea Party, or a lot of ignorant sonsabitches, depending on who you talk to. People believe Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh because so many “know” they were lied to about Vietnam and Watergate.
In defense of those people it’s only fair to say they are right about a couple of things: It was Democratic cowardice that allowed those issues to be shoved under our national rug. And it was Democratic cowardice that made Democrats complicit in the demolition of our social safety net, the off-shoring of our economy and the gridlock in Washington that prevents any progress on vital issues such as pollution and environmental cleanup.
‘Everyone’ was caught up in the Facebook IPO brouhaha. But Mr Wall Street, Obama did not comment.
If you read this list, check how much $ his dog costs the US.
WHOEVER SAID THAT OBAMA HASN’T ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING IN HIS FIRST TERM?
WHAT AN IMPRESSIVE LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS!…
FIRST PRESIDENT TO APPLY FOR COLLEGE AID AS A FOREIGN STUDENT, THEN DENY HE WAS A FOREIGNER.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER FROM A STATE HE HAS NEVER LIVED IN.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO PRESIDE OVER A CUT TO THE CREDIT-RATING OF THE UNITED STATES.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO VIOLATE THE WAR POWERS ACT.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF COURT FOR ILLEGALLY OBSTRUCTING OIL DRILLING IN THE GULF OF MEXICO.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO DEFY A FEDERAL JUDGE’S COURT ORDER TO CEASE IMPLEMENTING THE HEALTH CARE REFORM LAW.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO REQUIRE ALL AMERICANS TO PURCHASE A PRODUCT FROM A THIRD PARTY, A VIOLATION OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO SPEND A TRILLION DOLLARS ON ‘SHOVEL-READY’ JOBS WHEN THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS ‘SHOVEL-READY’ JOBS.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO RECOMMEND CHANGING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AS IT PORTRAYS AND PROMOTES VIOLENCE AND IS WARLIKE IN ITS THEME.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO CANCEL THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER BREAKFAST AND ACTIVITIES.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO INITIATE A CASH FOR CLUNKERS PROGRAM TO CLEAN UP EXHAUST THAT ADDS TO GLOBAL WARMING, THEN EXTENDED IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO POPULAR — WASTING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO ABROGATE BANKRUPTCY LAW TO TURN OVER CONTROL OF COMPANIES TO HIS UNION SUPPORTERS.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO BYPASS CONGRESS AND IMPLEMENT THE DREAM ACT THROUGH EXECUTIVE FIAT.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO ORDER A SECRET AMNESTY PROGRAM THAT STOPPED THE DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ACROSS THE U.S., INCLUDING THOSE WITH CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO DEMAND A COMPANY HAND OVER $20 BILLION TO ONE OF HIS POLITICAL APPOINTEES.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO TERMINATE AMERICA’S ABILITY TO PUT A MAN IN SPACE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO HAVE A LAW SIGNED BY AN AUTO-PEN WITHOUT BEING PRESENT.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO ARBITRARILY DECLARE AN EXISTING LAW UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND REFUSE TO ENFORCE IT.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO THREATEN INSURANCE COMPANIES IF THEY PUBLICLY SPOKE OUT ON THE REASONS FOR THEIR RATE INCREASES.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO TELL A MAJOR MANUFACTURING COMPANY WHICH STATE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LOCATE A FACTORY IN.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO FILE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE STATES HE SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
FIRST PRESIDENT TO WITHDRAW AN EXISTING COAL PERMIT THAT HAD BEEN PROPERLY ISSUED YEARS AGO.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO FIRE AN INSPECTOR GENERAL OF AMERICORPS FOR CATCHING ONE OF HIS FRIENDS IN A CORRUPTION CASE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO APPOINT 45 CZARS TO REPLACE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN HIS OFFICE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO GOLF 73 SEPARATE TIMES IN HIS FIRST TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN OFFICE, 90 TO DATE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO PLEDGE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY WHILE CAMPAIGNING, THEN HIDE HIS MEDICAL, EDUCATIONAL,AND TRAVEL RECORDS.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO WIN A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR DOING NOTHING TO EARN IT.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO GO ON MULTIPLE GLOBAL ‘APOLOGY TOURS’.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO GO ON 17 LAVISH VACATIONS, INCLUDING DATE NIGHTS AND WEDNESDAY EVENING WHITE HOUSE PARTIES FOR HIS FRIENDS; PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO HAVE 22 PERSONAL SERVANTS (TAXPAYER FUNDED) FOR HIS WIFE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO KEEP A DOG TRAINER ON RETAINER FOR $102,000 A YEAR AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.
FIRST PRESIDENT TO REPEAT THE HOLY QUR’AN AND TELLS US THAT THE EARLY MORNING ISLAMIC CALL TO WORSHIP IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND ON EARTH.
‘You don’t have to be a feminist’ [!!!!]
Have you noticed how many wimmen haters post here?
Are you saying our dear JHK is, as well?
All too Luddite in the ‘trad roles’?
……44th consecutive POTUS to be a sock puppet for the people who spent the money required to get him there.
Memorial Day is a day of shame for me, a day to reflect on the wasted, ruined lives that have resulted from the U.S.’s imperialistic role as the world’s bully. The fallen, and the spouses and children left behind, should be pitied for being the victims they are, not celebrated as heroes (which is just a way for the rest of us to feel better about our out-of-control country). I hope every person at a siss-boom-bah parade today donates to a veteran aid group.
Yes, the Nightmare is drawing to an end and Mr Kunstler sees the light at the end of the tunnel. And once we emerge, it’s not going to look anything like what we have come to expect. He is adapting to the new reality already. Many are not. This is why Lucan fled screaming from this site back to his chicks with dicks head space of special entitlements for special people.
No one is special and no one deserves anything. That’s just another way of saying that we are all special and deserve everything. I just took the Liberal Logic and showed what it means in reality – which of course they wont like at all.
haha, why do you even bother anymore? do you think it will be different with a so-called ‘right-wing’ president, vs. this alleged ‘left-wing’ president?
you write in all caps….they’ve really got you trapped in the high-energy burnout foaming on about injustices…i used to be there…it is a GAME and YOU are a PAWN.
there’s no use playing, for either ‘team’. unplug, drop out to a nice place abroad after you research; plenty of places where simple human values still abound, food is commonly organic & people don’t need invitations to visit, they simply show up and then you talk, share your food….it’s good ol’ fashion’d homespun living, and once you get over the shock and detoxify from american life you’ll love it & wish you’d done it years ago.
peace peaceniks
I think the human race (or what’s left of it) will eventually look back and realize that we squandered not only our one time energy bounty but also our genetic health in an orgy of materialism and consumption. The ecosphere has been permanently polluted by more radiation, herbicides and thousands of toxic chemicals, including many estrogen mimics, than we can survive.
Look around you – do many if not most of the current and younger generation seem like damaged goods? Obese, pre-diabetic, gender confused (physically and mentally) and with no firm attachment to reality (other than a wierd fixation with celebrity and “social” networks.
Laura Louzader, yours is the best comment here on CFN in a long time — well thought-out and nicely written.
As a male, I too find Kunstler’s comfort in traditional gender roles disconcerting.
Thanks for making my morning.
Catch up: If availability of calories hadn’t been so uncertain during evolution and had our oversized brain not been such a “gas hog”, concept of God (and such) would not have come about.
Anxiety causes our huge brain to burn calories at accelerated rate. Humans process sensory input into concepts, result of which is the concept of linier time – past, present and all the apprehensions that arise from imagining a future.
Necessarily, our psyche had to contrive a compensating concept of an over-arching power we could cajole into intervening on our behalf against all the otherwise ineluctable forces of nature surrounding us.
God, the concept, is taken from the template formed in our mind during infancy when our security of mind and body are dependent upon our parents’ power – which is totally mysterious to us as, say, “God acts in mysterious ways”.
As the evolutionary zoologist inform us, humans would not have survived without such great capacity for denial of reality – that of a God concept whose actions are outcome of our behavior, either in pleasing or not doing the bidding of him/her/it/them.
Louise, these are the desperate rationalizations of a failed Feminist Culture. Women vote based on looks, charm, and goodies – not goodness. They still love Bill Clinton, a serious abuser of women. Poor Monica can’t move on. Five minutes with an Alpha Male will ruin a woman for any ordianry man. Why should she set her sights lower? She can’t now after “Bill”.
Giving Women the vote was the death knell of our Culture. The majority, they vote in greater numbers and in large blocs. They have brought us to where we are now. Where else in the world can a woman falsely claim rape and destroy a man’s life – and when found out face no punishment whatsoever?
The American population exploded as did the world’s even before modern medicine. Many died but more than replacement levels survived. It was rough but the people were tough – and the sexes were united not disunited as they are now.
The religious angle has historically almost always proved to be problematic JHK, too much room there for wayward and obtuse bents to exercised (exorcised?). On the other hand in history there have been successes with some groups, the Shakers for example, where the guiding principles of something greater than oneself proved to be the necessary focus to avert pettiness and greed and I guess to promote industry for the common good.
That aside, I see that up in our neck o’ the woods of New England, just north of here and April’s ‘Eyesore of the Month” a slow living summit will be taking place this coming week. A not bad thing and pretty decent itinerary: http://www.slowlivingsummit.org/ I don’t think any religious invocations nor shaking will be going on there so I might attend. The strolling of heifers at least, lol, and we’ll ride our bikes there.
http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/
‘YOU are a PAWN.’
If you say so! like the caps! Cheers.
A rising Football Star gets sentenced to 45 years for a rape he didn’t commit. After 5 years the sentence is overturned. He plans to try to get into the NFL but he’s kind of old now…
And what does the woman, the liar, get for destroying this man’s life? Nothing.
Now tell me again about Patriarchy and who are the second class citizens.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/05/27/what-can-make-a-grown-man-cry/
Obviously, she should go to jail for 45 years. Such penalties are the only thing which will stop women from wreaking the havoc they are doing.
In nature, the ones with the most testosterone tend to specialize in hunting, while those who lack it specialize in gathering it.
Just because we are going to be forced to get back to simpler, hunter-gatherer societies based on far less resource consumption does not necessarily make those who point out its inevitably sexist or gloating over male dominated cultures. Males dominate the show right now, and look at what a great fucking job they have done, people of WASP descsent in particular, and just when you think females are the kinder, gentler species, enter Condolizzard Rice, Hitlery Clinton, that she-male Anne Coulter, or even Maggie Thatcher, and other witches from Macbeth. So much for that myth.
Humans and the societies try to maximize strategies for energy subsidies. The use of tools, trade, harnessing the enrgy from fossil fuels which has given rise to this relatively brief anomaly in human history called industrialization brought on by the 200 or year less age of petroleum, or more aptly called the petroleum interval or industrial bubble, specialization is another way to maximize energy capture.
Thus, those who are good at hunting will bring home the meat, those who are not will gather the nuts and berries and make the clothes. It is no scheme or plot to deprive women of their supposed right to kill and act like assholes as men presently do.
Regarding organized religion…..couldn’t agree more. All forms of mental illness or people who live in fear and find solace in leaning on some book for security.
Unplug? What about you – you’re not unplugged down there. Or do you think that Brazilians are just superior for some reason? Immune to the corruption that comes from wealth? If so, why? Not a rhetorical question, I’m interested to hear what you say. Maybe America was built on faulty foundations and this fate was inevitable. On the other hand, all regimes fall and corruption and decay seem endemic to the human condition.
I mean look at Brazilian Butte surgery. All the Braizlians want the J Lo Butte. And Brazilian Quacks have come up to America with their cement mixers and injected it into American Women too. The results are horrific and sometimes fatal.
I think I met this group in Boston: the 12 Tribes. They try to live as Israelites and they are more wholesome that the average American. Their attempts at conversion are often friendlier and less creepy than many conventional born agains. Their headquarters was in Vermnont. They ran into some legal trouble both there and in Boston because of their use of the rod on children.
A far cry from Consciousnees without an Object or even a Subject. But It will come as men can recieve It. It cannot stand a vaccum and matter is nothing but such an absence. Thus we can only know in part while seemingly encased in these bodies. Speaking of which, how is your’s doing?
I defended you against Ozone last week. He hates you because you don’t dream of factories and unions but also for the reason that I hate you. So my defence was against the first not the latter.
…yes i am unplugged down here, to a great extent. unplugged from pre-programmed food, a population dying of obesity and psychotropic illness, from never-ending politicization of nigger vs. whitey vs. wetback. you want a real melting pot? come on down, i’ll show it to you.
we ain’t got no fake wars to wage, or faux patriotism to cover up atrocities waged on other countries.
it’s calm, we work hard but we relax each day in traditional fashion – together. no 24-hour go-go lifestyle burning out to get the latest i-shit.
we have very tight community down here, everyone pitches in, there is tremendous interfamily support because the people have basically only themselves to turn to.
i only comment on brasil cuz it happens to be where i am. i’d be commenting from the perspective of russians if i lived there.
they’re not immune to corruption. i’ve never heard of a single brazilian wanting the j lo butt. there’s plenty of boob implants, sure thing, and of course all kinds of plastic surgery. says nothing about family values tho’, which are strong as five-inch thick rope.
all regimes fall because humans are bound by Newton’s law of entropy just as any other system is.
give any system time and it tends to become more entropic.
yep we got problems here too, what nation doesn’t?
peace peaceniks
What a horrible grocery shopping experience! I can just guess what was in the mom’s shopping cart–soda, chips, frozen chicken nuggets, Wonderbread, and hot dogs.
Here is what appears to be a trend in San Jose….brace yourself: RIP carwashes. If you read the Mercury news, you may remember that a few months ago, that a gang was having a car wash to raise funds to pay for a funeral of a gangbanger. A latino guy wearing the wrong color walked by with his small dog on a leash. The washers beat him and killed his dog. The victim claimed he had no affiliations, but you never know.
Since then, I’ve seen two other memorial/latino carwashes. Yesterday, not far from my house there was a congregation of 40 or so folks holding a memorial car wash. Sexy cholos were waving signs, “RIP Rudy,”Car Wash.” Wearing red (did they know it was pentecost Sunday?) and Raiders regalia, they had about six cars in the process of being washed. They even had a tent set up with refreshments–soda, chips, cookies. I don’t know how many car washes it takes to buy a grave plot? Ugh.
Yes the sexes have different roles in survival situations – which was most of Human History. They had to stay in the Cave or Village taking care of children. And also their agility and endurance are compromised when pregnant – which was much of the time. They did go out to gather berries and roots. And they did most of the gardening when humaity got to that stage. Thus they were quite busy and may well have provided more calories than the meat hunted by the men.
No generation of women ever had it better than pre-Feminist America and Europe. But the envied men and that was their downfall and our’s as well. Everytime they thought of work, they fantasized about exciting careers and not the shit jobs that the vast majority of men actuall did. They were encouraged in this and thus temped, they fell. Now they have to work as their entry into the workforce lower wages for everyone. Betrayed even as Eve was betrayed in the Garden by Satan.
Women’s place is in the home. So is men’s. Who the hell wants to work in factories and offices with people you hate? What Mad Evil Genius designed all this?
Is it a Blue Zone? Some doctors have written about places where many live to advanced ages. Okinowa is one and the Nicosia Penninusa in Costa Rica another.
The reasons are the ones you mention: good food, friends, family, leisure, etc. Whites are too Promethean and thus invoke Epimetheus his brother. Hubris in a word. Hope we can learn the simple things without giving up all of our love of Knowledge and Adventure. I’m not hopeful since our Elite seem bent on killing us off. That’s their big adventure…
You have come far. You know now that you live behind enemy lines. I rejoice in the blossoming of your awareness.
Buddhism is ungrounded and wont survive btw. That’s why it was so easily killed off by the Muslims in India. It was the religion of intellectuals and homos. Very urban. Hinduism on the other hand was very grounded and survived. But Buddhism does seems to have taken root in East Asia though. Even though White, Buddha was adopted most by the Yellow Race.
Anyway, I suspect America will be like ancient India in this. Christainity will survive but not Buddhism or Yoga.
The demoralization of the larger American public is so stark and pronounced that you can smell it in the rising heat. – JHK
I think that this demoralization is key to the decay and decline of the United States. Who would have guessed 200 years ago when the United States consisted mostly of farms and communities hugging the Atlantic coast what the United States would become.
The story of the 20th Century, the way that I read it, is the conflict between three contending systems for organizing society: communism, fascism and western democracy. Fascism was defeated by and large by its chief foe, communism. For a long time it looked as though communism could and would win the battle against western democracies.
If it wasn’t for the United States, IMO, it would have been so. Very few people would have guessed from the perspective of the 1960s or 1970s that the clock was running out communist despotism. Having said this despotism isn’t dead in the world (ie China, North Korea, Burma and Cuba).
They say that pride goes before the fall. But if arrogance can lead to downfall so can a lack of collective self belief.
Thanks JHK for sharing tracing a road map to the de-evolution of our back-to-the-future paradigms of how we might arrange our survival. Can’t say I’m looking forward to that day!
Love the name Clusterfuck Farm and am looking forward to seeing the label and logo that goes with it!
That said, I have to agree totally with Laura Louzader who wrote a beautiful response to your post today. Kudos, Laura one of your bests posts ever.
I’ve always said you have a romantic vision of the 19th century and much of your aesthetic sensibilities move in that direction.
I, for one am happy in an equal partnership in my relationship and for me that is the ideal.
Much of the strong dislike of American culture I see on CFN is a result of where we are on the “change curve”. Rate of technological change is apparently an exponential function, and we’re at the point on the graph where its slope is sharply increasing. We don’t know what our society wil be like in the future, but we do know it will be vastly different; there’s no going back, even in a thorough collapse.
In a culture experiencing rapid change, much strife occurs at the intersection of the present and past with the future. Many of today’s issues result from technological evolution.
Genetics has raised questions about the importance of racial characteristics.
Just as Jewish strictures about eating pork arose from our vulnerability to the bacteria contained in the processing and handling of pig food, moral rules against abortion that linger today arose from the high death rate from lack of hygiene. Now, abortion is an issue as the past, present and future intersect.
The concept of God or Gods served a purpose. But now, with advances in physics, it can be shown that the universe and its evolution could have originated as a random event, without a prime cause. So today, the future of religion is murky, and we have a widening divide between religion and science that is the result of the past and present intersecting with the future.
I could go on with many other examples of issues on the frontline of change, but you get the idea. Try to look at the present and future through the filter of change, and suddenly the inevitability of the future becomes more clear. A good sense of perspective is a prime survival trait.
An AP story in this morning’s paper says: “Holiday ushers in driving season”. Ha, if there ever were a manufactured meme, that is one of them.
See the U.S.A. in your Chevrolet…………
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Further to my last post: what comes first, systemic collapse that breeds demoralization or demoralization that breeds systemic collapse ie the notion that the system is too big to deal with or understand, too broken, the players that have a vested interest in it too powerful so nothing can be done.
A whole lot was made of this Occupy Wall Street movement. But what came of it? Nothing. It was symptomatic of this societal demoralization. It was disorganized, lacking in focus, lacking a central theme, lacking a charismatic leader with a coherent message or set of ideas, lacking in energy and ruthlessness. It was a half hearted, guitar strumming kumbaya moment and Wall Street laughed. So did Wall Street’s fart boys in Washington.
Americans have to stop listening to people (usually the intelligentsia) telling them that they are the worst. No doubt, Americans are the worst (and paraphrasing Churchill I think) but for all the others.
Throw away society? Even people? Especially people. Management says, You better watch you mouth punk, cuz there’s a million behind who’ll take your job in a heartbeat.
A man without a job is a bum. A man looking for a job is a beggar. A man who finds a job becomes a slave. It is a degenerating downwardly mobile process.
Change? Why? They like it this way. They’re breeding us out now that they don’t need us anymore. Just as when the cattle drives became a thing of the past, they didn’t need the long horn cattle anymore. The Longhorns were strong and could live on their own and hold their own against wolves, cougars, bad weather etc. So that meant they were dangerous and hard to work with. So they were bred out with lesser more domesticated breeds.
“Life will be about doing what you can with what you have where you are, and will take more imagination, creativity, and flexibility than the folks in the little neo-medieval commune Kunstler describes, can imagine. ”
Nice thoughts, but so naive that I am literally shocked. Kunstler is simply describing how things are likely to evolve and that’s it.
Perhaps Laura has never seen the 3rd world up close and personal (i.e. outside a tour bus), and surely she has not seen any prior collapse (e.g. Sarajevo, Bosnia, USSR, Ughanda). In every case, (and I served in two of these aforementioned settings as a MASH unit doc) when the shit hits the fan, and people become hungry and thirsty, civility goes out the window, as does any concerns over fairness or political correctness.
Women in those settings are primarily concerned with avoiding being gang raped, and then possibly cooked and eaten (when sex with them becomes undesirable). Their secondary concern is to protect their children if they have any.
“Equality,” in our western terms also goes out the window, as men are more likely to be able to protect their families from the roving raping and pillaging gangs that inevitably emerge. A division of labor emerges around the following activities: 1) perimeter security, 2) acquisition of water, 3) acquisition and prep of food. Nothing else really matters, especially bullshit about fairness and sexual equality. The above three jobs must be done, IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER POSSIBLE, or the group (e.g. family) dies or is killed.
What we all don’t like to talk about is in the 2011 FBI gang report in no uncertain terms. I just read it. Gang membership is nearing one million in the US right now, and is doubling EVERY TWO YEARS !!!! Let that sink in.
I am truly sorry that humans, ALL humans are wired this way, but we are. When the SHTF the least of one’s concerns will have anything to do with political correctness and gender fairness. It will concern physical survival at any cost. It’s all happened many time before and will happen many times again. Here we go, so hold on to your panties, literally.
Lock and load,
Wardoc
1. About yard sales.
Ebay has pretty much ruined thrift store and yard sale shopping. Now, don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against Ebay and similar ventures which allow unsociable people unimproved by orthodontia to make decent livings, and which also allow people to receive good prices for good quality stuff. I think the person selling off Grandpa’s tools should expect and be able to receive something like their true market value.
Furthermore, most folks help out the relatives by passing along good quality, pre-1950s tools, pans, etc. My daughters are using kitchinware I was able to pass along.
What yard sales are good for is finding things that can be recycled and reused. Lots of stuff that be turned into garden trelllises, temporary pots for seedlings, containers for winter sowing, etc., is one example. Anyone who sews can find buttons, zippers, of better quality than your local fabric store carries, which only need to be detatched from their garments, which can then be used for cleaning rags. Large sized clothes made of good quality natural fabrics can be recut for your own use. Men’s extra large shirts, esp if made from linen or cotton/linen make wonderful garden shirts. The fabric breathes, but is thick enough to repell mosquitoes, and every essential part of your person is covered, so as you don’t scare the neighbors.
2. Deacon Soloman: The Tea Party are not and never were “blue collar”, and I think you know this. The Tea Party are the folks who used to run every small town across the country, the used car dealers, real estate agents, insurance agents, etc etc, who got so used to living off rents that when the rents declined, they didn’t know what to do with themselves. They are hopping mad because now they have to work like everyone else does.
Give me a fucking break. Ever hear of “moveon.com”? Where do you think they’re moving to? Did you know that Hillary Clinton was not only a disciple but a friend of the late Saul Alinsky, author of “Rules for Radicals”? And that Obama was a disciple as well?
Communism can call itself anything it wants to and still be Communism. Right now it call itself the Democratic Party. What do you think Obamacare is but a naked power grab of 1/6 of the economy – at least? Did you know that the Catholic Church has launced a gigantic counter offensive with dozens of lawsuits? Now think real hard – Why do you think the Mainstream Media has not said a word about this? Think it might be a Conspiracy? Huh, do ya? Do ya?
And of course the Republicans are funded by some of the same people. But you see,I never believed Communism as all. It is and has always been a Conspiracy by the Ultra Rich against all other people, nations, and forms of goverment. Needless to say, most Communists don’t know that. And needless to say Hillary does and it doesn’t change a thing. She is quite capable of being a true believer and a benificiary. She is a Woman after all. And lots of men can also juggle these incompatibles too. Being a useful idiot or a useful savant matters not as long as you are of use.
Tell them about the food whores, Doc. They are too proud after decades of media ass kissing. Being humble will help them survive and appreciate good men instead of tearing them down.
Footage exists of American G.I’s teasing German children with food and then snatching it away. They were forbidden to be kind to Germans Civilians after all. But being kind to Japanese was OK. Interesting huh? You’d think it would be the same if not the opposite. It’s almost like we’re ruled by an alien group or something.
But are you willing to pay the price of equality? Equal penalties for equal crimes? No getting out of the Armed Forces by “finding yourself” pregnant? No more destroying men in domestic courts? No more automatic custody or kicking men out of their own homes?
And of course, charges of false rape get the same sentence as what the man got or would have gotten. And total media exposure so the Liar’s reputation is permanently ruined. You have no problem with that I assume? It IS the price of equality and you people haven’t begun to pay yet.
Greetings,
I’ve always thought November 11 (Armistice Day) to be a more appropriate day to reflect upon our service men and women and the terrible ordeals that they have had to endure. Frankly, I wish they would drop this silly “holiday”.
I live in a tourist town in S. California and the marina where I live is crawling with tourists. Watching families from LA huff and puff their way out of their giant SUV’s and waddle on to the beach for their obligatory view of the ocean before they make way to the nearest restaurant is a sobering event. How people can become so fat, pasty and useless never ceases to amaze me.
My female black lab loves to dig in the sand, play in the waves and even learned how to surf (when she was 8 if you can believe that)and I’m glad that she doesn’t have to share the beach with the tourists as they all seem obsessed with the shops and restaurants and hardly notice the ocean at all.
There is a photography shop across from the beach where you can be photographed in front of a green screen and then they will put different beach scenes behind you – sun set beach, big wave beach, etc. Of course, you could just walk across the street to the beach but that IS asking a lot.
My only hope is that when the “panic” begins, the roads will clog up to the point that none will make it here. If they do, I’ll just take my food, water and electricity out into the ocean and wait there until it is all over. I shouldn’t have to wait long as I hear that lack of clean drinking water is a real bitch.
Having joined the National Nurses United and anti- war protests during the NATO conference, I think I’ll stick with the nurses and another group we met: the Eighth Day Center For Justice. This group is made up of nuns, priests and Catholic lay people who are concerned with social justice issues such as the uneven distribution of wealth, immigration policy, etc. All they do is protest and witness for people who have little or no voice. Although I am not at all religious I believe that these folks (and the nurses) can get things done. For me the main issue is Medicare for all and I’d rather fight for this than retreat to the farm. You can grow a vegetable garden AND make change and you don’t have to stick to any gender roles….
Vlad,
Yuk, I’m bored with you already and I just got back on this blog—same old same old nonsense.
JHK, you really need to find a better class of yard sales. Stop shopping on the poor white trash side of town. Or is that pretty much all that’s left in the failing remnants of the Rust Belt? On the other hand, TV shows like Antique Roadshow have educated people. They sell all their good stuff (if they have any) on Ebay now.
Please, Vlad.
Women are no more likely to vote on “looks and charm” than males are, and you’ll note that the finest and wisest prez we ever had in this country, Dwight Eisenhower, was favored by the majority of women, who saw in him a force for stability, sensibility, restraint, and wise use of power. These are traits prized by women.
We are no more likely to vote for “looks and charm” than the Republican males who promoted people like Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin- why on EARTH would anybody notice these women for anything but their looks? Reagan was voted in on the basis of his personal charm and looks by males, who identified with his persona in films and the image of the wholesome, all-American male he projected as a politician. BOTH sexes are equally likely to vote for candidates strictly on the basis of personal image and traits that have little or nothing to do with his or her ability to deal with issues, else Ron Paul would have made a much better showing than he did, much to our shame.
Women voted for Clinton because he favored positions on reproductive rights that were favorable to women, and defended women’s rights in other areas. And I really can’t figure how this guy comes out as an “abuser” of women simply because he was a philanderer and adulterer. There are also unfortunately many women adulterers- I would not call them “abusers” of men because of it, but would simply say that men and women with Clinton’s disposition don’t make terribly good mates. Mind you, I have much against Clinton, mainly his promotion of NAFTA, but on women’s issues he was fine. So much could not be said of his Republican opposition, that also favored NAFTA.
This country was “ruined” quite a few years before women’s suffrage. Theodore Roosevelt was one of the principal authors of our ruin for it was he who decided this country would become and empire and “moral” (?) force in the world. The second cornerstone of our ruin was the formation of the Federal Reserve. Roosevelt was voted in by a strictly male electorate, and the Fed was formed by lawmakers voted in by an all-male electorate. Slavery was continued after the formation of the nation by an all male electorate; a decision we are paying for to this day.
Don’t get me wrong: the no fraternizing with Germans didn’t mean the GI’s didn’t take advantage of starving German Female Food Whores. It’s hard, I know. But people, especially women, are so clueless that you have to spell out all the gory details or they just wont get it.
Excellent essay this week JHK. This sentence in particular resonates with a pathetic truth:
But if the seekers of today want to “self-identify” beyond the superficiality of gender delineations, they might begin by casting aside “One Tin Soldier” generation and the false Billy Jack hat donned only until they embraced their self-serving sellout moment. A moment, by the way, that is still being shouldered by those in the lower age brackets.
The woman who lied about the football player raping her should do major time for this. Bearing false witness, especially concerning a major crime, is itself a particularly vile crime that in this case resulted in an innocent man having to endure 5 years of sheer hell in a maximum security prison.
I have never met these women who falsely accuse men of rape, but I’m appalled at women who do this. It makes life much more difficult for real victims.
Eisenhower was a punk who put above far more qualified officers because of his superfical charm by the Ruler of America at that time, one Bernard Baruch. FDR was largely a figure head and tool – although a gifted and valuable one of course.
Good points about the Fed and Teddy. Many men shouldn’t be voting either. Let’s let people vote according to their knowledge, and a personal history of civic responsibility. Some women will make it but it will be mostly men – but not most men. At the local level we could let most people vote making progressively harder for the State and Federal.
You are a Man, Laura. No higher praise can I give. Unlike your shrill sisters, you would not have voted for Prohibition, banning guns, and curfews and checkpoints to stop drunk drivers etc. Hope you are for equal justice for equal people too. (I have a different paradigm so I don’t pretend to believe in a blanket equality. So no Title 9 etc)
Chris Matthews is a women.
From your description this was likely the Twelve Tribes community called “The Common Sense Farm” in Canbridge, NY.
I doubt whether the Twelve Tribes communities are going to be lifeboats if contraction occurs. They have a reputation of being repressive of folks straying from the flock. There have been controversies about harsh physical punishment of children. You can read all about it by googling the “Twelve Tribes” community.
From personal experience I’ve seen them micro-manage visits by relatives outside their communities. Grandparents, who are not members, only get to visit their grandchildren on the terms of the father and elders in the community.
Is that why you seem to look foward to collapse, Jim? Would you like to live in a selective recreation of an Isreali community in the time of Jesus (Master “Yahshua” in Aremaic)—–selectively recreated by former radical fundamentalists and evangelicals? You would need to clean up your foul language for fear of severely spanked and/or shunned in your old age. And of course, they would expect that you renounce all allegiance to your Jewish heritage.
IMHO local communities will need openness to new ideas, inclusiveness, and tolerance to survive collapse. These Twelve Tribe communities work very hard to manage the public impression that they live in harmony and grace—-but I think the reality of living in these communities is much darker.
Bravo, you a true daughter of Athena, the ultimate Man’s Woman who loved Men. No finer symbol of a higher or Solar Femininity exists. Coming straight from Zeus, you are free from all Cthonic Taints. Note the Cth – the root of Cthulu the Great. But you must realize that other women are not as you and must be under our control. Meditate on this and you will see it. Plato himself recognzied a few women as capable of a higher individualized Destiny. There was one a the Symposium who held forth on the subject of Love.
It has been said that Cthulu will come again when the Stars are Right. And when He comes, the Earth will convulse in Terror and Savage Joy. He is obviously here or on his way. Prepare and in your case, Flee. Chicago is going to be one of his Capitals. Obama and Rahm are merely forerunners.
Since it’s Memorial Day I will take the time to salute those who somehow found a way to arrive in the theater of war despite being too old to actually serve in the armed forces. Men like my grandfather who became swept away by the martial spirit blazing across the land in the wake of Pearl Harbor and who had some genetic “Per Mare, Per Terras” invocation whispering in their ears.
Yes, the sea was calling like some romantic, ancient Dalraida mist and so he enlisted in the Merchant Marines. But it wasn’t all danger out there on the high seas of the Pacific. Gone for a few years at least was the everyday drudgery of raising two toddlers and the nags of a housewife negotiating the rationing severity of WW2. And no doubt he was able to pop a cork and drink with unreserved abandon, free from the castigating fingers of those who thought they knew better. And I have to say, that picture of him in Hawaii looked to be the happiest moment of his life; I wonder what hooker he hooked up with the night before?
For a certain type of man, only a certain type of war makes life worth living. And that’s the truth.
Amazing how much time is spent swapping junk. I’ve never had a garage sale because my garage is where we park our two cars. Some of my neighbors have junk filled to the rafters of their garages. How do they accumulate so much stuff?
My next door neighbor has been trying for three years to clean her garage. No car has been parked inside for a decade. If she’d just get rid of her horrible, Disney Christmas decorations, she’d at least have some hope.
Part of the problem in allowing reader comments here is that you can have the occasional visitor wandering in and bleating with some large ugly batch of alternate reality fiction and confusion swarming around their heads. I see today we have this from a creature calling itself “anti soak”.
In a more useful input, I think there was a good glimpse of something added above in a different kind of thing that can be found in garage sale world.
There is, indeed, a whole hell of a lot to be found around where any of us live, those of us in the US, in the domain of cheap shit garbage out on display to be unloaded that was really worthless trash in most cases when it was brand shiny new. It’s a different kind of disturbing to see what one reader observed; people selling off something that is old and perhaps even a little funky around the edges and needing some TLC and repair, but overall is something that was made with notions of quality and usefulness and even good aesthetics, that is now being unloaded by someone because they have replaced it with some brand new shiny crap that is crap right from the store.
There are people whose sense of value and quality and usefulness is so deranged that they seem to have no ability to gauge these things. That’s a problem.
JLE
Vlad said:
No one is special and no one deserves anything. That’s just another way of saying that we are all special and deserve everything. I just took the Liberal Logic and showed what it means in reality – which of course they wont like at all.
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That first line should be embossed in gold and placed on a plaque in the White House, Vlad. “Liberal logic” is, of course, the idea that everybody (except white males) is “special” and deserves handouts in perpetuity for alleged wrongs of generations which no longer exist.
One reason why I left education is precisely this “entitlement” issue that one deserves “perks” for doing what any person of good breeding and conscience should do naturally without “prizes”.
We’ve dissociated rewards from decorum or performance and that’s why we’ve not only got problems with various subcultures in the USA but also Gen-Y.
E.
Thought provoking article JHK. The diversions out of our imploding culture need not be profound.
I’m a woman, Vlad, and I think like one. Most of the women I know think pretty much like me. They despise the Welfare Nanny State and the Corporate Welfare State, and, like me, believe you should be left to your own devices and should not be able to impose your costs on other people.
No, I would not have voted for prohibition (which caused more drunkenness), or for banning guns, but I do support prosecuting drunk drivers. Perhaps that’s because I had one in my family who finally killed someone before doing time (not enough time IMO), and had a high school classmate who was a star athlete become a quadraplegic in 3/8 of a second when he was broad-sided at 50mph by a drunk. A drunk driver is a common killer as far as I’m concerned.
I just MIGHT be persuaded to agree to forcible sterilization given the number of idiots and dependents the welfare-enabled lower classes are producing. But I believe that scaling back their entitlements and not allowing them to impose their costs on the rest of us while making sure that birth control, sterilization and yes, abortion are readily available would work a lot better. The non-coercive means of motivation tend to work much better than coercion in inducing good behavior. Coercion should be reserved for people who won’t keep their hands off other people and their goods, like our bankster class and common criminals.
Good Buck. I watched Billy Jack as a little kid and thought it was great. I watched it a few years later as an adolescent and thouht it was fairly trite but enjoy the Hapkido. I watched it as an adult and was horrified by the sentimentality and self righteousness and the stereotyping of Whites.
Whether or not belief in the Divinity of Jesus the Christ is crucial in one’s life, the early Christian writings of Luke & Paul do offer some insights to harmonious living. If graduate school beckons, see the Gospel Book of John.
For the foundations of Christianity, and by this we mean culturally as well as spiritually, see the first 11 Chapters of Genesis. The wonders of science gradually but inexorably add to credibility of the scriptures. Archeology continues to find remnants of places mentioned in the Judeo-Christian saga. Nothing so far to help Mormonism’s North American narrative…
Isabel Piczek has some science for the New Testament account; NASA scientists have noted some interesting features from space. Some of our astronauts have located geographical features certifying such tall tales as the Red Sea crossing and Moses’ doings in Saudi Arabia. Hmmm.
Imagine, a nice Jewish boy in Saudi Arabia, of all places!
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Our usual game here is energy & transport, so herewith:
The armies & navies are circling Syria, Israel and Iran, like they think something is going to happen. Whatever goes down, even absolute Bible scofflaws have to see sobering parallel in the Old Testament prophecies lining up with today’s oilpatch army/navy games.
These doings are subjects of energy/transport because Mr. Cordesman (ISIS)and the larger world strategic planning bodies say they are… So we offer the usual thought about getting underway with all due haste rebuild of American heritage railway footprint, as seen circa 1900-1960, so many Memorial and Veterans and Armistice days ago… When America was a lending not a borrowing nation…
Railways are Guarantors of Societal & Commercial Cohesion; don’t travel anywhere in the motor fuel rationing scenario without ’em!
What is the point of swopping or selling your stuff if you are giving it away at a vastly reduced value, and the currency of exchange is worth jack shit.
This religious cult community sounds much more appealing that most of contemporary American society, where workers struggle for a livable wage and where the greedheads who run this country keep them, as John Lennon said, “doped religion, sex and TV.” The rest of America is sliding into an authoritarian state far more restrictive than the community Mr. Kunstler describes here, beginning with the recall election in Wisconsin in which Scott Walker will wipe the floor with Tom Barrett’s sorry ass, then go after everyone else, with Messrs. Charles and David (Chuck and Dave – where’s Vera, guys?) Koch pulling the strings. Today Wiskonsein, the Reich on the Lake – on November 6, the rest of America. Look for President Romney to use a trumped-up emergency as an excuse to invalidate our passports to keep us from escaping! Maybe the cultists will grant us asylum.
Drunk Drivers should lose their licenses for a very, very long time. I’m against check points and curfews. I mean from a Police point of view they make sense, but who wants to live in a police state?
Most women don’t think rationally. That’s why they elected Obama and will elect the Hillary Beast. And that’s why they love Clinton, no matter what he does. Imagine a Republican were to do what Clinton did, think they would love him? But Bill’s good looks, his charm, and his support of the 51% who want abortion and the right to dispossess men are overwhelming.
Yes, reproduction effects everyone not just the mother. Babies are not private property. What an evil idea. Slavery ended yet the Court tries to bring it back. But I agree with you about Eugenics. We need it but we don’t want an all powerfull state sterilizing people. Let’s make it voluntary with good incentives and disincentives. Another solar female founded Planned Parenthood – Margaret Sanger. She set up near Black Communities with Eugenics in mind. Naturally, the denizens of that Institution try to hide this now.
Vlad, I really feel sorry for you. You seem to be walking around in a constant state of fear and hatred towards people of colour, women, lesbians, and just about anybody who is not a white male.
LL said:
Now, we’ve reached planetary limits, and unless we find a way to exploit the resources of our solar system, which seems pretty doubtful, our history going forward will be one of contraction and somehow contriving to construct a “stable state” economy.
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I’ve spoken of “managed” contraction but it’s hopeless, Laura. All the worlds economists are going to run the world at mach 2 into a lead wall with their endless “growth” mentalities.
Hasn’t anyone wondered why the Clintons have a spread in Patagonia or why Cheney has a residence in Dubai, and so on? It’s Dr. Strangelove all over again and these people are all Strangeloves who have their own “mine shaft” prepared because they all know that “this sucker’s going down”.
I think that our culture could only survive if we’d started to prepare for resource “armageddon” at least a generation ago. Everything we’ve done is utterly piecemeal. The human race will go through another “keyhole” and only 10% will survive after societies slowing break into utter chaos and countries have lobbed nukes at one another to get some god-forsaken resource in Chad or some other nowhere.
E.
Yes the Koran mentions several lost Civilizations, chastised by God for their Evil ways. One was obsessed with Commerce and Military Might like our’s.
Too bad we can’t dig in Saudi Arabia, we might find some interesting things. The Muslims say Abraham went down and helped Ishmael build the Kaaba.
Just about. “People of colour” – you really are too much. And how about doing the hard work of engaging my argumenst instead of just slandering me? I mean men are being persecuted in family courts – as Mr Kunstler himself briefly recognized once in the Thomas Ball case. Louise went to my link and was horrified at what a woman did to a man. Why don’t you do the same – maybe you wont be horrified at all though. Let us know.
Oh please,…..personal and societal narratives (myths and lore – including the Bible) are only tangentially connected to actuality.
They are so because their purpose to the psyche is reassurance that events and circumstances are product of our own actions before a judgmental God or spiritual forces with whom/them/it we have interactive relation.
That’s our protection against the harsher reality that forces of nature and fate are completely indifferent to our hopes and fears.
Yes, those “tangents” might prove linked to particles of the past, but asserting that such particles prove absolute validity of the given myth (belief) proves only what is contended by evolutionary zoology: We humans have great capacity for denial, otherwise our oversized brain would have sucked-up in anxiety all the calories we could gather.
Get with it!
Vlad, guess you’re having a Hitleriffic day.
E.
In 1970 our high school held seminars about energy with representatives from various energy groups. One room had solar energy spokesmen and another nuclear energy. It was really amazing what foresight our principal had at that time.
Sadly that was the right time to have galvanized research and innovation in new energy.
To add insult to injury, Reagan cut the research on fusion which is now being done by a world consortium called Iter. We are a participating member of that research in facilities in France, but we were according to a relative of my guy(mechanical engineer), way ahead of where the research is today. I agree, I don’t know how you catch up to the lost time.
Going back to the eternal relentless search for the unlimited growth paradigm, I listened to economists talking about even China not having the 9% growth that they need to keep going on the trajectory they have been on.
Excuse me, but like the price of houses and the stock market, nothing keeps going up. How do you develop an economic model that doesn’t allow for the organic ebbs and flows of all things of life and matter?
These guys never seem to notice the huge fallacy in their thinking nor will they change. There are new models being worked on but they will not be implemented on the mass scale in an acceptable way in time.
Hence, we’ll be lucky to have a Clusterfuck Farm of our own.
Anyone, politician or otherwise, who prattles on about Growth being the solution is the enemy.
10% of current population will be about right.
And I am working on it…
It’s bizarre how someone who would never think to say (or at least never say publicly): “Oh, I visited this lovely plantation in Louisiana and it was so wonderful how well-run and organized it was. The darkies were all singing in the fields while they picked the cotton, and I had a mint julep on the veranda with Miss Scarlett. Wasn’t life wonderful before the Civil War ruined everything?”
Yes, things can be well run in an authoritarian society. But they can also be repressive and horrible for many of the occupants. These are the same people who fought against women’s suffrage, and education for women, and abortion rights, among other things. Just think about how pleasant life is for women in many Muslim countries.
Additionally, while the last period of human history has seen some upheaval and unhappy side effects as the result of changing gender roles, that does not mean that going back to traditional roles would solve all society’s ills. It only means that we have not yet worked out new and healthy arrangements.
Moreover, with 7 billion people on the planet, doesn’t it seem that there are better things for women to do than just serve as the bearers/rearers of additional occupants for Earth? There are certain physical things that some men are better able than some women to do, and vice-versa. By and large, those things are few.
Excuse me? What don’t you like? Is the same as it not being true? Or is what you like the sole criterion?
How about the fact that women, both st8 and Lez, like to go to Gay Clubs and mock the men there. How does that fit your collective self image? Don’t believe me? Ask some Gaze and find out. Perform the experiment. Look thru the telescope. Knowledge is often injunctive – you have to do in order to know.
A few problems? Yes, like women getting away with murder. Literally in some cases. In other cases, just depriving men of access to their children and then taking every penny they earn – in some cases the man goes hungry. So what if he lost his job, why should that matter, right?
All women? No. Supported by all women? Yes. So all women. Thus you have shown your true colors and will not get any rights next time around. You don’t deserve them. Many of us used to be Liberals, but we have grown beyond that into Wisdom.
Sounds like you had a great experience, Jim. It’s always nice to get a glimpse into another culture’s world, whether it’s around the world, or in your case – around the block.
I like to think that such improvisational cultures do provide a good example for many Americans who are currently focused on other things and preparing for a much different future.
Still I have to wonder just how sustainable such a set-up is once the cars stop rolling as cheaply. But we’ll see. I wish them luck.
-glaucus
http://www.planningdown.wordpress.com
BT said:
Going back to the eternal relentless search for the unlimited growth paradigm, I listened to economists talking about even China not having the 9% growth that they need to keep going on the trajectory they have been on.
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Did you see last week where China is now having a manufacturing CONTRACTION? It was treated as a minor news item everywhere yet only a few years ago, a Chinese slowdown from 10% to 5% growth was considered a “recession” by Chinese standards.
China’s LITERAL manufacturing recession reveals why ECRI insists that there will be a recession later this year despite all of the lagging “blue sky” housing and consumer spending indicators. When China is having a manufacturing recession (their PMI was around 48.5, 50 being break-even), it means that the entire developed world isn’t buying.
Despite ECRI’s perfect record of calling recessions and never having false positives or false negatives, their leader, Lakshman Achuthan, continues to get a constant ribbing on the biz channels. Sigh.
E.
Wow Those are some loonnggg comments!!
I love the name of your farm! We jokingly call our little piece of the prarie The Clutterite Colony! All you need to join is 500 lbs of junk!
Jim has made a nice living out of spreading the word on his vision of the end times and he has collected here a pile of shit left by his followers, meaningless as is their cult leader. He will go to his grave babbling about the doom to come.
E.
There are a few economists who can think instead of parroting the accepted ideology and precepts, but by and large, the others have either garnered a reputation for the neoliberal cant and refuse to walk it back.
That’s what’s so frustrating when you hear these guys with a vested interest speak and what they’re saying is not working right before your very eyes!
I recently heard how college professors have gotten big money working for industry and are seen by the corporations as influentials, so they are teaching more to the corporations than an unbiased fair assessment of different theories. It doesn’t bode well for us, does it?
Yes, they are saying that China’s economy is in trouble because we’re not buying their goods and neither is the EU, but this could also be propaganda since they have real money to buy lots of our infrastructure.
Because they’ve made money based on real activity they have economic determinism. We shall see how this works out in the end, won’t we.
—LB
Most women think exactly as rationally as most men do, which is to say that most humans of either sex are stone irrational.
I have met very few humans who can overcome their prejudices, ego needs, fears, and desire to avoid the effort of thinking well enough to make rational decisions, and I’ve sure as hell made my share of irrational choices, as, I’m sure, have you.
But by and large, the sex that seems to need to be “controlled” the most, is male. I don’t think that HAS to be the case, but for the time being, women still exhibit more self-control across the board, even though we’re gaining ground rapidly in terms of violent crime and other irrational behaviors, unfortunately.
Every time someone tells me how “logical” and “rational” males are relative to females, I merely point to the nearest tax-subsidized sports stadiums, where middle class moron males are swilling beer that costs $8 a cup after paying $100 for a ticket… and working themselves into cardiac arrest over the outcome of some game between two corporate teams of overpaid retard prima donna players. Listen, these men take this crap SERIOUSLY. I mean, a guy’s fave corporate team losing is enough to make the guy moody and depressed for days afterwards
Meanwhile, his equally moronic wife is obsessed with celebrity gossip and seeing how fast she can max out the cards on this year’s ugly clothes or on a bunch of faddy household decorative items that will be in resale shops in three years. When she and her hubby participate in politics, it is to harass the owner of some struggling little concern whose line of business is “bad for the neighborhood”, while being totally supportive of yet another TIF rape of the local taxpayers for the sake of some crony developer because his new 50 story high rise condo tower or shopping plaza “brings money to the neighborhood” or because “corporations provide most of the jobs”.
I have found that both sexes are very passive and expect their lives to be handed to them on gilt platters yet complain of the cost when they see it on, say, their property tax bills, or the steadily deteriorating civil services alongside the vast enrichment of politician’s cronies.
SUYDC…
There is nothing funnier than a bunch of guys working at something productively and then a woman pops in and tries to become part of the gang.
Half them want to screw her, sorry Laura, it’s genes, and the other quarter resent her for slowing down and screwing up the work. The other quarter go out of their way to include her to and including not doing much more themself.
Women think differently than men. It’s biological and can’t be helped no matter how much palavering goes on at retreats for women authors and American Studies Department meetings.
Here ya go:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/womens-brains-uareu-different-from-mens-ndash-and-heres-scientific-proof-870849.html
How about the fact that women, both st8 and Lez, like to go to Gay Clubs and mock the men there.
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Vlad, I don’t know what to say to this except OH, PLEASE! Just how may Gay Clubs have YOU been to? Judging by your “Gaze” comment, I willing to bet the answer is “None.” There are very few women in Gay clubs and the one’s who are there are quite friendly. Most Lesbians get along fine with Gay men. My first hand impression is that the straight ones like hanging out in space where they don’t have to fend off the unwanted attention of sex crazed chauvinistic straight jack asses.
As far as examples of women behaving badly goes, you can always find isolated examples of anything. Just last week, a man in my town shot his lover, her 18 month old daughter, her sister, and the sister’s fiance, before killing himself. Apparently this happened because his lover demanded that he move out of her house because he was an abusive Neo-Nazi thug (literally) who was building an arsenal in the house. Later the FBI said that they had him under surveillance for suspected domestic terrorism but hadn’t found evidence to arrest him yet. A few weeks ago a man shot his two children and himself because his wife left him, but then a women recently did the same thing. In the end, men are responsible for a large majority of murders and roughly 90% of domestic violence. Wave your Male Chauvinist flag high but don’t blame your views on the women you hate.
Total agreement about this Mizzzzzz Laura.
“Every time someone tells me how “logical” and “rational” males are relative to females, I merely point to the nearest tax-subsidized sports stadiums, where middle class moron males are swilling beer that costs $8 a cup after paying $100 for a ticket… and working themselves into cardiac arrest over the outcome of some game between two corporate teams of overpaid retard prima donna players. Listen, these men take this crap SERIOUSLY. I mean, a guy’s fave corporate team losing is enough to make the guy moody and depressed for days afterwards”
However, the reasons society does this is to emasculate and weaken and distract these otherwise dangerous males with all this sports clutter.
The most pathetic thing of all is when White students spend hours practicing their dribble shots, trying to do something that even uneducated Blacks in the ghetto can do well.
Sounds to me like Jim is on to something here. A next book, maybe?
Who said gender roles have to be obsessively rigid? But some structure and dividing up is very natural. There are some things women are simply not good at and vice-verse; it’s as simple as that. You’re just another metro-sexual.
Good post today, and very funny. America is suffering from mass psychosis and is delusional. Perhaps set up to be that way? Refer to Eric Fromm’s “sane society”.
The religious group that you describe remind me of the Amish, perhaps the most well adapted group to survive the Long Emergency.
God, homosexuals find their way into every website under the..artificial lighting. Lift a rock by making one mention of them and they scurry out.
I came to the conclusion in the early 70’s that the earnest hippie commune types were way too early. Setting aside my skepticism of communal quasi families as economic units, here or perhaps anywhere in the West, I think the urge was logical for a time that was not yet here in 73. It seems that was a pretty good guess. Well we don’t know if now is the time but then wasn’t we now know.
The peak of oil and the first oil crisis gave the outline of what was to come but then the Saudi’s had all that oil come onstream and at the time that didn’t seem to be a given. But pump pump pump they did and bailed out and then reinforced those in power in the American and dollar centric world political economy. History will look askance at that but I suppose they knew if they didn’t pump then we would have gone in and done it for them. Such would have been ugly but it would have put the cards on the table for all to see about what the American empire is all about which would have done some good.
At any rate the time for such “cutlts” seems much more propitious now.
Well, it IS that day, so, I thought I better check in. OK. here’s the check list:
ACTIVITIES
1. Drinking.
2. More Drinking.
3. Flag Display
(Not THAT Flag you faggot)
4. Neil Young songs.
***Editors Note***
Of Course this caused a racieal uprisign. But our
meticulous (HA! spelled it right) research (BELCH) has revealed that ONCE all assembled branches are properly inebriated, Neil is OK.
5. Maintaining CONTROL of MY computer. That’s right fuckos. (I invited MORE Marines this year)
PRIORITIES
1. Making sure our token “Chair Force” rep leaves here with his wallet.
2. Reducing the number of 911 calls.
3. what the fuck was I talking about
MISSION STATEMENT
Mr. Kunstler,
Dude. You were talking about uniforms. WHAT THE FUCK!!!
Yes, Old’s is the ultimate paradigm they tend towards. Kill all Life. Shave the biosphere bald.
And of course, if we don’t grow we die. As a fiat or bullshit currency, we can never meet our debts by definition. We are always living in the future and accelerating. If we catch up with ourselves, we die.
From another angle, as one wit said, “Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
Tark, I only replied to Vlad’s blatant misrepresentation of my community. Other than that… We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it! Bigotry only debases the bigot.
Ya, Steve M, Scott walker is a real Nazi for trying to rein in the parasites in the Public Sector Unions who are bleeding the country dry. The recall isn’t working. So now the thugs at the NEA and AFSCME are claiming that dethroning Walker isn’t so important anyway. But that’s not what they were saying a year ago.
Attended a Memorial Day event ceremony today in a small Connecticut Village that has been going on every year since 1866. The high School Band, traditionally, even plays ‘Dixie’ as a deference to the vanquished South. The whole town turns out, mostly the descendants of the Yankees who settled the place 275 years ago. Hundreds of bright faced kids running around, the blue sky, the sound of the water falling over the dam, American flags fluttering everywhere, the patriotic music, greeting old friends and relatives, steaks, burgers and Hot Dogs being grilled in every yard, the distinctly Protestant American ethos being passed down year after year … the future doesn’t look so bad after all.
Ibendet, “Being There”, are you a Jerzy Kozinski fan? Nice choice anyay.
–WSP7
Oh yeah. Before y’all start flippin’ out about the “FAGGOT” remark. I’ll ya about the time when I was some nutzo PFC and called a queer Master Sargeant a, well, a QUEER. Ever had a K-Bar knife held up against your throat? I saw the light.
I would tell y’all about it. But you probably wouldn’t listen.
Well women test better on verbal and men better at math, logic, and spatial relations – the root of the STEM subjects. So under the dome of the curve, the IQ’s are almost the same. But there are far more high IQ men than women. And more idiots as well. Women are far more clustered under the dome of the bell than men are.
Men seem to know women far more than women know men. Women are too narcicistic to get outside themselves and really look. Modern women assume men want the same things in a mate that they do – like “confidence”. We don’t want equals or business partners, we want servants/wives/sex objects.
And in a few more years, they’ll be hitting on the enlisted men like they did in the seminaries. You heard it here first. Vlad is usualy first and will be the last. The Alpha and the Omega like Tom Bombadil.
You should get used to the idea that there are still a lot of people who actually yearn for a little of the traditional. The world doesn’t have to roll back to the 19th century, but throwing away things that worked well and made perfect, self-evident sense, just because they’re somehow out-of-date, is harmful. Your ‘community’ is the one that will not leave that America well enough alone.
Homosexuals by their very definition/nature can’t uphold the positive things that, used to, go with a stable family life. This isn’t based in religious belief either, but on seeing the results of tearing down all the good, usually well-functioning life-family-styles that came before.
Beyond that, I know what feeels right and that’s good enough for me.
In my own experience, it is the men who cannot succeed in having happy man-woman relationships that seem to be the most anti-feministic.
“And in a few more years, they’ll be hitting on the enlisted men like they did in the seminaries.”
??? You know, Vlad, I try to get as high as you, but, goddammit! You are the Buddha Belt Buckle Buddy. Shut up, you Aqua Velva drinkin’ wino.
“Homosexuals by their very definition/nature can’t uphold the positive things that, used to, go with a stable family life.”
Yeah.
But that doesn’t mean you can’t count on them.
I believe in women’s rights, but not Feminism, capital F.
I like capable, independent, and intelligent women too, but I don’t want a woman who resents being female and has too much male…energy, for lack of a better word.
I happen to hate golddiggers and bimbos as much as shrews. I also despise men who have to be gentlemen even when the woman is wrong. No respect for ‘gentlemen’.
Hank knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr0M7WCBu4
“We don’t want equals or business partners, we want servants/wives/sex objects.”
We women KNOW that, Impaler. We are not that effing stupid. Jesus, how we know it. Female socialization in patriarchal societies is all about killing female minds and turning us into those things. Thus, the Feminist movement which is not about enslaving men, but about freeing women up to be human. We don’t want to be servants/sex objects/baby breeders- we want men we can love and who don’t dominate us.
We don’t want to “rule” men, we just are sick of being ruled and always have been. You can’t be a true woman in a patriarchal society any more than a man can express his masculinity in a totally female-dominated space (to the extent that there are any).
I like men. I find them very attractive, but I completely will not abide being ruled, and neither will most women. Unfortunately, most women out here have settled for a nasty tradeoff, which is abiding patriarchy as long as they are materially “taken care of”, thus their attachment to welfare state entitlements. I’d rather make another kind of trade, which is leave me alone and don’t try to rule me or my reproductive organs, and you can take your support and welfare entitlements and shove them. I can take care of myself.
Some people posting here have pointed out that women will have to submit to male domination in return for “protection” against the hordes of predators who will surely be roaming the country and preying on the weak and alone. I have only this to say, which is that in such a pass, we can write off about 90% of the population, which will include me. If we aren’t going to have minimal civilization, rule of law, and protection from thugs, 90% of the population will not make it, and the 10% remaining will inherit a world not worth making it in. I wish the survivors all the luck in the world, because you will need it. I’m glad I won’t be there to see it.
Yeah, I do like Kosinski. I read Being There and a Painted Bird years ago.
Love the title-
I agree with you, Tark.
I want a world of decent, upright, independent, thinking people of both sexes and all genders who respect each other’s rights, that simple.
Concerning homosexuality, what 2 same-sex couples do in private is no one else’s business. Public displays of affection are only repulsive to sexually insecure straights who can’t help from imagining themselves doing the act with the same sex. What harm do gays really do to you personally?
Actually, one would think homosexuality would be more acceptable in a vastly over-populated world. Many psychologists believe man is inherently bi-sexual; most animal species certainly are. Whether or not anyone is homophobic is irrelevant because homosexuality has always been around and always will be.
By my lights, that is an acceptable attitude.
I never read Kosinski, but perhaps I should because I saw the movie “Being There” when it was released in 1979 and it is one of my all-time favorite movies. Like “Rhinocerous” by Eugene Ionescu and “Catch-22” by Joseph Heller, Being There perfectly illustrates the absurdity of life.
Apparent Zombie attack: one naked guy was eating the face of another naked guy. Perhaps they were a Gay Zombie Couple having a dispute?
Cthulu is very close now and begining to influence people in their dreams. Or did you think the Zombie Craze was just by chance?
http://news.yahoo.com/witness-says-naked-attacker-chewing-mans-face-162408953.html
Alot of us believed women when they said that – and got disregarded and/or dumped. We studied the conflicting data and realized that women were the last ones to understand themselves. The Mystery is solved: Hypergamy is the key to understanding women’s desires towards men. They want more, always more. More than themselves at the very least. Women hate men who have less money, prestige, or power than themselves. They don’t exist and women hate having to deal with them. So after a few years, women want to trade up – taking as much of a man’s assets as they can. Expect no feeling or compassion or even common decency from a woman who is “unhappy” or “ready to move on”. It’s your fault, all your fault – all of it. You failed her. It was your job to fufill her. And she wants payback. That’s the feminine idea of equality, Laura.
A few women might settle for equality but it is pretty lifeless after all. Where’s the polarity? Why not just date a women if you want someone just like you? Most women want children. You are still refusing to recognzie how unusual you are. You might actually be capable of treating a man as an equal. Most women will abuse a man who isn’t above her. The price is high though from a man’s point of view: more of a friendship than a romantic sexual marriage. Polarity means excitement after all. Go visit Heartiste. He is one of the great masters of the Game and probably the leading theorist of male/female dynamics.
I saw a guy drinking perfume on the train once. He began to burp violently – each burp spreading the scent throuhout the car. The Black kids on the train went into paroxysms of glee. What a wonderful thing to make people so happy…
I saw another White guy kicked out of a Wendy’s by the Black Employees. He had huge arms and his huge hand held a bottle of mouthwash. They treated that one with respect – his huge arms and hands played a part in that I think. He came back in with the bottle secreted in a coat pocket and sat down with a Black patron. The young Black reacted cautiously. An intoxicated wild man earns a certain respect no matter what color he is.
What’s the name of that movie? In the Mouth of Madness?
Vlad:
For my part, I am not a “man”, and I, at least, have no use for the approbation of such as yourself.
I am not a “man”. I don’t expect others to laugh at my stupid jokes nor always agree with my half-baked political opinions. If I hurt myself, I deal with the problem, and don’t go looking for sympathy. I fugure my self-esteem, or ego, is my responsibility, not everyone else’s, much less the responsibility of the opposite gender.
I do not react with anger when asked to work with a member of the opposite gender whom I find not attractive, nor do I intrigue against people merely because I don’t want them in my near presence. Nor do I think squabbles between males are fun, and I do not try to instigate such squabbles.
If I have cash, my kids, now grandkids, get what they need. First. Boyfriend can pay his own damn bar tab/drug bill/loan from a friend, and his Mamasita can pay off her own bills herself.
I got kids off to school, breakfasted, homework completed and ready to turn in, clean, appropriately dressed, and myself to work, appropriately dressed, on time for many years, with no loving little person to tell me how wonderful I was. On about 1/3 of what men earn. One kid is now in college, and one is gainfully employed. If I can, you men can.
Never mind sex object, etc. I am convinced that what men want is someone whose labor they can appropriate to their own ends. The rest is rationalization.
Color me unimpressed with your pretensions.
Honestly, Mr. Krandz. I’m pretty sure that you would be hard pressed to find another sentient being that gives a RAT’S ASS about your assessment about their various states of being. I’ll bet that you think you’re SPECIAL.
“Women hate men who have less money, prestige, or power than themselves.”
I could believe that to a degree if there weren’t so many women who at first go with, then become deeply involved with, men who are not prestigious, steady money-makers, employed, or even respectable. Those guys don’t usually have much social power. They even have children with men just like that and worse. Women love the bad boy more than the monied, power guy.
I’m not blowing my own horn, but in my early-mid twenties I was at my peak of older female attention(in their thirties to early forties) and they knew that I was immature and had little to nothing of my own. Most of these women weren’t married either. They weren’t just looking for a little something on the side while being married to Daddy Warbucks.
Alot of us believed women when they said that – and got disregarded and/or dumped…. They want more, always more…. Women hate men who have less money, prestige, or power than themselves. They don’t exist and women hate having to deal with them…. Expect no feeling or compassion or even common decency from a woman who is “unhappy” or “ready to move on”. It’s your fault, all your fault – all of it. You failed her. It was your job to fufill her. And she wants payback.
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Wow, Vlad, bitter much? Maybe you have a right to be. Sounds like you’ve had some rotten relationships. Is it right to blame every woman in the world for the one(few?) who did you wrong, though?
“Color me unimpressed with your pretensions.”
But, that doesn’t really answer the IMPORTANT question, does it?
WHICH IS
How DO you feel about bitin’ me crank, Matey?
Yeearrgh!
The posters on this blog, opinionated and well-informed bunch that you are, might care to answer a question I can’t answer myself: Is the Chinese economy going to continue flying high or is it going to splutter and crash?
My question isn’t idle. I live in Canada, and the conservatives now in charge seem to want to turn Canada into a kind of petro-state. Ontario and its manufacturing are out; Alberta and its oil are in. The conservative government wants to extract yet more of Alberta’s oil and sell as much of it as they can to China. This move would be good for Canada as long as China’s economy continues booming. But will it?
An answer, with a brief argument behind it, would be appreciated.
Are we going in the direction of homegrown economy, or further into an economy of pixels and electrons?
Have you seen that website, Pinterest? Millions of people are “collecting” IMAGES of the cast-offs of those lawn sales. Some obsessed madams hoard images to the tune of 6 digits.
Users of this site are consuming without the inconvenience of the actual object. Their reward is social approval for their fine taste in images.
They spend countless hours on this “hobby” – arrogantly called “content curation.”
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/28/11923580-witness-to-naked-attack-the-guy-just-kept-eating-the-other-guy-away#comments
The break down has begun, and George Romero would be proud. I was once a beliver and was active in politics, but the amount of fraud, and con men with both parties is incredible!!
Damn! That’s the second brilliant thing I’ve seen here today. The first was 3rd Generation’s recreation of “KunstlerSpeak”, the second was this.
We’re all curators, aren’t we?
LL Bean said “…and women were forced to live alone with the kids in leaky sod houses through both winters and summers…”
Really, Laura? Forced?
What was wrong with them that they did not know how to plug the leaks?
Its too picturesque.
Getting back to last week’s thread for a moment…
Madcat is apparently a very sensitive Aussie so I want to apologize for calling him Asoka’s sock-puppet… ditto for Hansen. The whole thing was nothing more than a Q-spoof.
“What was wrong with them that they did not know how to plug the leaks?”
Q apologising. CROOKED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrThyvv4sko
LL Cool L said “…stability, sensibility, restraint, and wise use of power. These are traits prized by women. ”
Stability means continuance of business as usual. Sensibility means no messy emotions or revolts. Restraint means restraining men. Wise use of power means being subservient to the slick psychopaths who have achieved it.
What you have against these little farming communes is contrived. You don’t know these people. They’re not ‘forced’.
China’s economy will eventually fail. Its rate of economic growth is already slowing down. China’s economy depends on its exports. The rest of the world’s economies are in recession or depression and won’t be able to buy enough of China’s exports to maintain China’s growth rate. The Chinese government tries to build up markets at home, but the people are too poor.
From my point of view, Canada doesn’t need to sell oil to China. Extracting oil in Alberta will wreck its environment, while enriching elites, not the populace. It’s a bad ide to try to emulate the United States.
Should be “it’s a bad IDEA”…
LL said:
Most women think exactly as rationally as most men do, which is to say that most humans of either sex are stone irrational.
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This is the proverbial “bottom line”.
E.
Nice piece and a break from the Doom Porn.
But I love Doom Porn and Jim is the best.
China’s economy will eventually fail.
Wow! I don’t know if you are basing that on the Chinese decline to 5% growth, but I would argue the reduction in growth rate is a sign of the health of the Chinese economy, a deliberate slowing down to prevent overheating and thereby guarantee that China’s economy will NOT fail.
The People’s Republic of China is controlled by the communist party. Although some market reforms have been introduced in China (to suck the greedy capitalist west dry and at the same time exploit them to gain national infrastructure), it is still largely a centrally planned economy with state-owned enterprises monopolizing big industrial sectors such as energy, telecoms and banking.
Western capitalist free market economies have shown themselves to be unstable ponzi schemes that are terminally ill. As JHK says today: we are at “Ponzi’s End.”
Communism, as a final goal, is our only hope going forward. And please don’t confuse republican socialism like the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) with the socialism of China led by Chinese communists.
By using carefully controlled market reforms to milk the west, what China’s Communist Party has accomplished in the last 60 years is nothing less than remarkable. China has been reducing income inequality, and creating a middle class where there was once only overwhelming and absolute poverty.
Between 1981 and 2005, an estimated 600 million Chinese people moved out of poverty and China’s poverty rate dropped from 85% to 15%. China has one of the highest savings rates in the world at 38%. (Compare to USA’s 4% personal savings rate.)
While China is evolving, the West is devolving. The West has been going downhill and now faces Ponzi’s End.
Capitalism has failed. Income inequality is now creating conditions for the collapse of western free market economies.
By voluntarily lowering their growth rate China has made themselves more sustainable and China’s economy is now less likely to fail.
— Constitution of the Chinese Communist Party
Sorry, my previous post was a reply to BeantownBill.
And here is some more evidence to consider:
China lowered its growth rate because “there are some overheating in certain sectors,” and “there are some inflation pressure,” the World Bank’s Chief Economist Justin Yifu Lin said, adding that the slowdown is aimed at ensuring smooth economic growth in the long run.
LL quoted Vlad’s statement that …
“We don’t want equals or business partners, we want servants/wives/sex objects.”
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Laura,
Just as most people of BOTH sexes are either stupid or dull as dirt, the same could be said about their mutual expectations of the opposite sex. The intelligent outliers of both sexes probably actually HATE the fixed gender models because it usually leads to the sort of boring suburban marriages that are satirized in books like “A Doll’s House” by Henrik Ibsen.
I’m a guy who, like most humans, enjoys sex but I’m not willing to put up with the dull conversation of a “doll” just to get it. As Nietzsche once astutely pointed out, marriage, for example, is really one loooooong conversation. Sex, as a percentage of total time spent together is actually quite small.
However, both sexes get roped in over the centuries by bonding on trivialities with tragic results. Couples will get started because they both like the Grateful Dead or they’re both hopheads or something stupid and the deeper disparities sabotage the relationship later because NEITHER side is gifted at self-knowledge or introspection.
And it’s always been that way since way before Shakespeare.
E.
A sod house sounds like something you can scarcely stop from leaking. It was a stopgap make-do form of shelter that barely qualified as housing.
The native American’s teepee is a much better solution. Settlers with minimal material goods and no easy way to transport them across the undeveloped plains would have done better to imitate many of their ways.
Leaks were definitely a problem for sod houses, but teepees would not necessarily be a better shelter, especially against prairie fires.
If it was windy, prairie fires spread quickly and were almost impossible to put out. One fire could sweep through hundreds of miles of grasslands, often moving faster than a running horse. Teepees would provide no protection.
Sod houses were lifesaving protection against fires. Inside a sod house was safe. (An adobe house with waterproof plaster coating would have been best.) Dirt does NOT burn.
On another subject on this thread, China’s economy is already failing badly, and it’s super-high “growth” rate is just its debt-creation rate.
An economy based on fake money lent to build evermore empty apartment blocks and entire empty cities, is doomed even if China’s customers could resume their own debt-fueled consumption at the level required to “pay” for all those cookie cutter condo blocks that are so badly built that one of them literally fell over on its side.
How many Americans save more than half their income?
I don’t think China’s economy is “failing badly” … according to the national economic indicators and the national savings rate.
China is bringing its population out of poverty while western free market economies are seeing more people slipping out of the middle class and into poverty.
There are groups of Christians, getting out of the matrix, living self sufficiently and seeking to create their lives outside of the sins of this wayward modern world. Like JHK, I feel like I have more in common with them than all the liberal people still attached to their progressive ideals. Yet I have lost my religion and I am alienated from any type of community or capacity to believe. Also came upon this today, a story about Jesus of Siberia. An idyllic community, no cars or roads or suburbs, yet they were all followers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk
“…deeper disparities sabotage the relationship later because NEITHER side is gifted at self-knowledge or introspection.”
I had a six year marriage that was based on our mutual love of Saran Wrap. The sad truth is that it ended because we ran out of money for Saran Wrap.
Also came upon this today, a story about Jesus of Siberia.
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Davidor Kureshov
Hug a vet or two for all of us this week, Soake.
Thanks.
Small groups seeking safe haven from a disintegrating free market Ponzi-scheme economy will probably not scale. Communist China does scale.
China’s GDP per capita: 500% increase
2000 China US$800
2010 China US$4,000 (500% increase over 2000)
China’s progress lifted all boats, to the benefit of all.
USA’s GDP per capita: 134% increase
2000 USA US$35,082
2010 China US$47,153 (134% increase over 2000)
Communist Party-run China is about four times better than the USA economy, in terms of GDP per capita.
I will first stand at attention and salute them smartly. Then I will say, “Thank you for your service.” Then, if their body language allows, I will give them a hug. Happy now?
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Asoka, while Chinese citizens are saving at a higher rate and therefore not “consuming”, their government is using the usual Keynesian “stimulation”, i.e. asset inflation, currency inflation, and debt creation, to spur “growth”, and is thereby creating inflationary pressures. As you can see from the fantastic savings rate of Chinese citizens, most are not spending one drop of money more than they can get by with to put food in their mouths and stay housed. Meanwhile, the unbelievably overpriced (in relation to incomes of prospective buyers)condos, which are raw concrete boxes with the plumbing “roughed in”, sit empty- how can people who make $20K a year afford $200K apartments that need another $100K in buildout?
The country’s leaders are trying to stimulate demand for loans by planning more massive infrastructure projects, like a new mega-dam being planned that is twice the size of the massive Three Gorges. Meanwhile, demand for Chinese exports is falling, and that’s what underwrites it all.
I’ll say only this, that the savings rate makes the population a lot more resilient in the face of economic contraction than people like Americans who spend to the max of their borrowing power and live always one paycheck away from falling through the floor. But that doesn’t mean the Chinese economy is healthy.
1. Xiamen University,Beijing tour packages
Xiamen University in the south of Xiamen Island, Fujian Province is famous for its scenic campus. Located at the foot of mountains and facing the ocean, the campus is covered with green grass and flowers. It helps students relax with the picturesque scenery and parks. [Globaltimes.cn]
Laura, you say China is using “debt creation, to spur “growth” through Keynesian “stimulation” “thereby creating inflationary pressures.”
Actually, I think you are exaggerating a bit. The inflation rate in China was recorded at 3.4% in April of 2012. Historically, from 1994 until 2012, the Chinese inflation rate averaged 4.3% so I’m not seeing any hyperinflation due to Keynesian “stimulation.”
Remember also that banks are largely state-owned. Government can fix interest rates. This may not be the most efficient, but does promote the stability of the system. China’s economy is stable, and their intentional lowering of the growth rate will keep it stable.
Your fears about inflation as a result of “Keynesian stimulation” appear to bit overblown.
Urban property prices in China may well be inflated. Price to income ratios suggest that they are. However, the Chinese have a lot of personal savings and a survey of all Chinese cities determined that 40 percent of home purchases were for investment, not residency by the buyer.
However, we are not looking at a “Ponzi’s End situation in China. There isn’t a real estate bubble about to burst. Why? Because half of China’s population lives in rural areas, not cities.
About half of China’s population are farmers who won’t be looking to buy US$200,000 condos. Compare to the USA having 2% living on farms.
Even if we look only at urban areas, for high condo prices to constitute a bubble, they must be able to burst. In the case of China, it is not clear that they have, nor where a trigger might come from.
Another reason we are not looking at a “Ponzi’s End” situation in China is that China also has a low level of public debt and the prospect of China falling victim to an American or European style public debt crisis is remote.
So, no runaway inflation, no large public debt, large rural population, no real estate bubble about to burst, an economy that has been the engine of world economic growth, and government control to guarantee stability.
What’s not to like? Kind of destroys the libertarian free market, laissez-faire, Ayn Rand or Friedrich Hayek Austrian-school economic theories.
China’s communist-government-run economy, not the USA free market capitalist economy, is the engine of world economy.
The USA is facing “Ponzi’s End” as JHK notes this week.
The Chinese Communist Party-run economy is not.
Sometimes women go for the bad boy – a primitive type of alpha. Or sometimes a women will marry a good provider and then sneak off with one of these on the side. The best of both worlds. An amazing number of children are not from women’s husbands.
Your case is outside the main frame and sounds like the Cougar phenomena in which an older women tries to regain her yourth by going with much younger men. I’d still say hypergamy is the main thing, but this does occur in a minority of women. We call it the “Wylie Coyote” moment when a women realizes that her sexual market value and marriage market value is begining to plummet due to the onset of middle age. Most women will realize the danger and intensify the quest for a husband. Others, a little older and perhaps already having been divorced, will seek a younger man for ego gratification during the crisis.
I’m worried JHK, your not being converted are you ?. I have this inbuilt dread of religion based societies, no matter how worthy or happy. I would hope that we can instigate the kind of small scale self supporting communities like you describe without the need for religion. It is upon this kind of small scale re-generation that our future as a society depends. It would be a shame if we allowed ourselves to become sidetracked into religion & cultism as an alternative to decent progressive values…
Gotta take issue with Asoka’s dig at how badly “free market” economies are doing.
A large share of the dsyfunction of western nations today revolves around their financial systems. These are not free market systems. Sure you have big powerful private banks, in a symbiotic relationship with governments and quasi-governmental central banks. There is so much centralized control of the financial system that it doesn’t even qualify as a decent parody of a free market system.
I am not a believer in free markets being the answer to all economic woes. They aren’t an effective prescription for dealing with Peak Oil, for one example.
So in my view the Libertarians are clearly wrong that free markets are the answer to everything.
Would a free market financial system be a better one than the centrally-controlled one we currently operate under? Who knows. What is obvious, however, to anyone who has given it even a cursory look, not under the influence of Kool Aid, that what we have now is not one.
By the way, I would have to say Laura seems to me far and away the most rational poster on this thread.
Asoka, you don’t seem to realize that the Chinese picture has changed in the past ten years as the country tries to buy into the Western lifestyle.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120415000022&cid=1203&MainCatID=12
Charlie-uk, frightened people with Luddite leanings and yearning for “simpler” times are very vulnerable to the attractions of religious cults, especially when their societies are going through major economic dislocations. Cults are very adroit at exploiting loneliness, fear, and the desire for an elevated social status that is out of reach for even most wealthy people in a large, complex society. Therefore, I believe Kunstler is very vulnerable to the call of a cult with the trappings of the authoritarian, religioun based societies of “simpler” times.
Laura, you don’t seem to realize that the Chinese picture has changed FOR THE BETTER in the past ten weeks with regard to both inflation and public debt.
“Inflation has come down. That’s a definite positive … “That’s probably the biggest change to the positive.”
Moody’s last month confirmed China’s A3 sovereign rating and said the outlook for it remained positive, supported by favourable medium-term growth prospects and strong government debt dynamics, adding that trade and financial exposures to problems in the euro zone were moderate to low.
Byrne said China’s ratio of debt to GDP, including local government debt that is the direct responsibility of the central government, is about 33%, with maybe another 8% of GDP in contingent liabilities. That is low by global standards.
He said strong growth dynamics with relatively low inflation gave China a very strong credit profile from a pure economics point of view and was largely the reason why Moody’s maintained a positive outlook on its rating.
The outlook for the rating has been positive since November 2010. A positive outlook broadly implies that the next ratings action is likely to be an upgrade…
SOURCE:
Easing inflation a positive for China rating: Moody’s
Easing price pressures were probably the most significant development for the Chinese economy
Reuters / Beijing May 28, 2012, 15:55 IST
Anticipating those who will say the Moody’s ratings are not reliable… “look at 2008!”
Yes, look at 2008. After that Moody’s reputation was on the line, so they have tightened things up considerably.
JHK’s post this week is titled PONZI’S END and that refers to European as well as American economies.
Just for those who think Moody’s does not tell it like it is, look at the recent (Feb. 2012) ratings for Europe.
Moody’s actions can be summarized as follows:
– Austria: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative
– France: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative
– Italy: downgraded to A3 from A2, negative outlook
– Malta: downgraded to A3 from A2, negative outlook
– Portugal: downgraded to Ba3 from Ba2, negative outlook
– Slovakia: downgraded to A2 from A1, negative outlook
– Slovenia: downgraded to A2 from A1, negative outlook
– Spain: downgraded to A3 from A1, negative outlook
– United Kingdom: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative
No sugar coating by Moody’s. Just recognition of reality.
And Moody’s recognizes China’s positive reality even in light of the Euro-crisis, even in the area of exports to EU.
The first four months of 2012 saw Chinese exports grow 6.9% on the previous year, while imports grew 5.1% … in other words, a POSITIVE TRADE BALANCE.
Compare that with the United States trade with the European Union in 2012 (in millions of dollars):
Exports: 68,729.4
Imports: 92,946.7
-24,217.3 A NEGATIVE TRADE BALANCE
SOURCE: US Dept. of Commerce
Doomers and non-communists try to paint China’s economy in a negative light, and fail to recognize communist-party-controlled China’s relative economic health compared to American or European capitalist economies.
CORRECTION
Doomers and non-communists try to paint China’s economy in a negative light, and fail to recognize communist-party-controlled China’s relative economic health compared to American or European capitalist economies.
CAPITALIST ECONOMIES ARE FACING “PONZI’S END”
COMMUNIST-PARTY-CONTROLLED CHINA IS NOT.
“how can people who make $20K a year afford $200K apartments that need another $100K in buildout? ”
Sounds like the situation most of the middle class of the EU, JAPAN and a good part of the USA find themselves in doesn’t it ? 20,000 dollars a year income, 200,000 dollars to buy a home or 1,000 dollars a month to rent. But if you go to Madrid or London or Rome, you are at about 300,000 dollars to buy a puny home and 2,000 dollars a month to rent. I think the situation in Tokyo and Moscow is even worse, but we all know that Real Estate and Property have become a great weapon to beat up people who have less income, a great way to distribute wealth from the poorer people to the richer, and also to let banks make a huge amount of money by forcing people to pay interests on large loans taken out to pay for high home prices and such.
“Therefore, I believe Kunstler is very vulnerable to the call of a cult with the trappings of the authoritarian, religioun based societies of “simpler” times. ”
He is already inside a religious CULT: the Green, Tree Hugging, Environmentalist, Love Nature and Kill Consumerism cult that has infected most of the Western World. We have been living, starting from the 1960s on, a huge Nature Loving, Plastic and industry hating, Future and Science and Technology hating Religion and Ideology that wants the USA, EU and JAPAN to go back to a fairy tale past of living poor and with no creature comforts and such. Well, I hate that religion, it is killing our economy and the future, we should be doing the exact opposite: building trillions of Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, Highways, Nuclear Power Plants by the trillions, changing our Brain Style etc. etc. We need huge consumerism, we need to hate nature and simply use it as a tool for our purposes, be a Pig, be Greedy, show Nature that you are the Boss, beat it up like it deserves to be, we didn’t choose this “Nature” or Matter to develop like this, some random blind forces of Natural Evolution gave us this quirky flukey design of carbon based material that has no higher status or value or metaphysical worth than any other material: just look at the planet Mars and how empty it is, a whole lot of Nothing, just the way I like it, it is bare, no Nature there, only Dead Rocks, the way Nature should really be, Dead, Empty, with No meanings or designs, especially no pain/pleasure circuits, or look at the center of Stars, what most of the material of the universe is organized as: a plasma of high energy particles, it is not a solid of liquid or gas, but a fourth state of Matter that we cannot relate to in any possible way, so cool, that is the way I like it, kill this Carbon Based world that sucks so much, etc.
On the Chinese Housing Bubble. Well they are building the homes as an “Investment”, so they expect to be able to sell it to someone in the future at a “Higher Price”: good luck with that, that didn’t work out too well in the USA or Spain or JAPAN (that popped their bubble 20 years ago and still can’t recover, go figure).
But it is the entire idea of “Investment” that is flawed, the idea of finding something stable, something secure, something sure etc. But nothing will ever be sure, security doesn’t exist, nothing is an Investment really, it all depends on random forces and circumstances that occur for any old reason, so no matter how hard you try to create “security” to “protect your money”, it will never be guaranteed, it can all fade away in a jiffy: you just need a war, an earthquake, an economic crisis and anything else. Housing and Real Estate is NOT AN INVESTMENT, and in the end neither is Cash, or Gold or Diamonds or anything else, it is all an Illusion, a false hope that things will be stable, a search for “Security” when security will never exist as life is defined exactly by all of its surprises and deep intrinsic, structural insecurities: but life is all about unstable and surprises, nay, the economy itself must constantly be unstable and changing and constantly killing all investments and certainty to function at all, since the economy is a fight and constant game changing hand of poker, since that is what creates the engine of economic activity, along with Inequality and all kinds of games with a Winner and a Loser, etc.
Anyways, the entire idea of “Investment” should be hosed, there is nothing worth investing in anymore, just invest in huge Consumption and trillions of empty Skyscrapers and trillions of Rockets to Mars and such.
On China:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175880
“I was looking at some of China on google maps and photos and such. It is “beyond pale”, as someone said, they are really building like there is only tomorrow! You can estimate how much excess real estate inventory they already have by a simple thought experiment: the USA has 300 million people, so just imagine to add four extra floors to all homes in the USA to host 1.5 billion. Now look at their towns and cities, most of their buildings have 4 or more floors, but also thousands upon thousands of various high rises, no way they can pull off the excuse of “population”, it just doesn’t hold, they simply have huge excess capacity with no end in sight.”
and
“Maybe the Chinese government should start paying itself some serious property tax, can you imagine how much cash they could obtain by printing it and giving it to themselves in the form of property taxes and then flooding the world with their cash ? ”
THE APE JOB
Or look at the center of Stars, what most of the material of the universe is organized as: a plasma of high energy particles, it is not a solid or a liquid or a gas, but a fourth state of Matter that we cannot relate to in any possible way, so cool, that is the way I like it, kill this Carbon Based world that sucks so much, etc.
Also from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175880
“I can’t stand these Greens and Environmentalists and scaredy cats all afraid of manipulating the living daylights out of Nature, always finding something poisonous and bad in every process, you can’t build atomic energy reactors, you can’t build high speed trains, you can’t do this or that and this or that. What c*cks! all in the name of Nature, this phony “False Religion” if I ever saw one (give us back the Catholics and the old Christ, or even the old Christian Fundamentalists with their hell and punishment and all, but please don’t introduce yet another fake religion, another belief system, another set of crappy values). It is their fault we have the economic crisis, we should consume and build like there is no tomorrow, we should build trillions of Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, trillions of Malls, buy and throw away like crazy, every 3 years change all furniture and cars, wild crazy consumption, and hose nature, use nature until it no longer exists, since then we will use Mars, and the Sun itself, go on, do it, you can do it, go on.”
THE EIGHT MAN
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=179254
Also:
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
and
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
As usual an excellent post which stands head and shoulders above the vacuous prattle which typicaly surrounds your posts. The truth is what it is and there can be no compromise with it when engaged in describing reality unvarnished. As Hobbes put it: for the mass of humanity life is “nasty, short, and brutish” [I paraphrase, not having consulted Bartlett’s].
People Suck
It is not intrinsic to housing or real estate to be such a pain in the a*s, housing can and should cost very little, even right in the middle of Manhattan, Tokyo, Paris, Madrid, Rome (no more than 50,000 dollars for a three bedroom house should be the Real Scientific Cost of most houses there) etc. It is people that suck, not houses, people that need to make cash, ever more cash from property, people suck not property, people with all of their contention, conflicts, bickering and fighting, the “Market” and such BS. Especially since we now live in an Excess Capacity Infinite Resource Technological Economy that can deliver all basic goods to all for Free, etc. But the economy, but especially this old fashioned Stone Age Man Brain needs the fight, the conflict, the contrast, the inequality, the winner or loser game, the bickering to distribute wealth, to find out “who deserves more and who doesn’t” (which then all boils down to who is the stronger puncher, or who can brainwash who on any BS conceivable, or who has the better personality or “People Skills”, “Soft Skills” which really means, who is the better BS artist, etc).
But the economy needs exchanges in order to operate, and exchanges imply someone who has something that someone else needs, but if those that have the goods, like property cannot exchange it for anything valuable the poor average turds can exchange, the prices of those properties go sky high: and this is because most people don’t have anything of any value to exchange, are useless turds, are a big fat ZERO, and nothing and no one can do anything about it since especially all labor has been automated and optimized away and that little labor left to exchange, that is not slave factories in India, is reserved to very few top notch players, or especially the few that have “the right contacts” and the right “status level” accordingly, since it is all about status today, all about the haves keeping what they have and the have nots remaining without, etc.
Therefore wee need Free Salaries to all worldwide, Cheap Rents and huge public private projects hiring trillions of people to build those trillions of things I always talk about, like a drone, like a cry baby, like an APE JOB, trillions of Cadillacs and Rockets and BUSes etc.
And we need more work like a hole in the head, we need most people idle watching TV all day long, the greatest invention of all time since TV is an automatic life, you don’t need anything more but to watch TV forever and enjoy. If you want to work, you can work for free in a hobby factory building Skyscrapers, Rockets and Cadillacs (maybe for an hour or three hours a day, you choose, etc.).
TOBOR THE APE JOB
Q, appreciated.
I’m not so much sensitive as I am a person who believes in truth and old school values. If I am misrepresented by someone and the perpetrator comes to realise that, I simply expect acknowledgement of the error, spoof or whatever it was supposed to be so we can move on without (for example) half of the site labouring under the impression that anything I say can be disregarded because I am simply somebody else in disguise. Thank you for giving my identity back.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179196
But, but, but …. So let’s put this thing up on two feet. Here’s the deal:
Are the laws of physics invariant for all possible Observers ? If you have Observer1 O1 and Observer2 O2, are the laws of physics the same for both of them such that:
L = f1(O1) = f2(O2)
where L is an invariant form of the Laws of Physics in all possible reference systems according to all possible Observers ( all possible Information Processing Networks in newly designed Brains, all possible Processors), f1 is a particular function relative to the particular design of the particular Observer O1 and f2 is another specific function relative to the specific design of Observer2 O2 such that they transform the expression of all of the invariant repetitive laws discovered in one reference system O1 into the equivalent, but one to one association expression of the corresponding invariant repetitive laws discovered on behalf of Observer2 ?
Does L and f1 and f2 exist for all possible Observers ? And if so, does it even matter ? It matters to us because we like to discover mathematical relationships valid in all possible situations (aka reference systems), but in the end what counts is the Experience the Observer undergoes in his world, and that is his reality and his universe and his laws of physics.
On the one hand, I doubt that L, f1 and f2 can exist given how radically different an Observer (a Processor) design can be, aside from the fact that you can hard wire Observers so that they can never discover their underlying laws or any laws, or you can hard wire an Observer – Processor to perceive any wild and random laws as far out and detached and unrelated to our laws (or other laws of physics existing for any other observers – processors) as possible, or hard wire an observer so that it always only Lies to itself and falsifies (simulates ?) all reality.
On the other hand, no matter how hard we try, we are always seeing everything through our reference system, our logic and our laws of physics, we are chained into a fixed f1 and O1 so to say and cannot say anything at all about f2 and O2, or something like that. And even if we can see some of what O2 sees, and even if we mix O1 and O2, and even anything else, no matter how hard we try, we can never be all possible Observers, and see things through all possible Observers, we will always format everything automatically according to what we already know, to some kind of fixed but arbitrary logic and processing machine, etc. We are trapped in our reference system no matter how hard we try to escape it and see beyond it and see a number of distinct reference systems from a more general reference system, from the outside looking in so to say, but we are never outside, we are always inside since we are trapped into some very simple laws from the outset like the Identity Principle and the Principles of Non Contradiction and such (and Space and Time and Extension references and so on).
So the only solution is to simply crack open skulls, crack open your own skull and pour wild stuff in it, design crazy circuits and contraptions and stick it in you skull, Jethro Skull, go for it man, or simply assign the V8 Engine as a new Man Brain and Observe what it is observing from the outside, imagine how the world appears to that engine and such, be crazy, be wild, party on folks, party on….
TOBOR THE EIGHTH MAN
Check out:
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
and
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
Re “crisis” of aproaching middle age.
Then there are those of us who view middle age with relief.
No more have to wear the latest fashions/makeup/hair styling to enhance his prestige. No more stupid social events at which attendance is mandatory. No more conspicuous consumption on things like fancy lawn and large vehicles.
Eat what and when you like, turn off the boob tube, listen to classical music (or jazz, or sitar). Grow a garden free of pesticides and noisy power equipment, have uninterupted hours of time for walks, do it yourself projects, reading books.
I hate to be the one who has to break the news that not everyone is obsessed with sex, status, power and cash.
The fact that thisgs are likely to get very bad tomorrow, next year or a decade from now, gives me all the more reason to enjoy a modest and peaceful lifestyle now. And guys like you thought that after poisoning the public space for decades with your rhetoric, women would all be desperately looking for male protection.
Order will eventually be restored. It always is. Man is a social animal who will not and cannot tolerate anarchy for long.
Adapting to the Great Contraction, golf courses going bankrupt but some being bought and managed by working members!:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/sports/golf/members-dig-in-to-preserve…
With dozens of golf courses closing nationwide because of failed real estate developments, the Timberlake club is an example of a new model in the industry. Rather than watch home values plummet as a lush golf course is abandoned, nearby residents are banding together to buy the course — even if it means running it themselves.
In the wealthiest communities, this process often means that 10 or 20 of the most affluent member-residents write checks to save the course. In the case of another South Carolina golf community 35 miles from Timberlake, the WildeWood and Woodcreek clubs in Columbia, 574 members contributed an average of $4,700 to execute the purchase. Then scores of those members took on administrative duties that became like part-time jobs.
Another interesting fact from the article:
…22 courses in the once-booming golf haven of Myrtle Beach have all but vanished in the last decade, with young trees sprouting through the old greens.
So much for the “leisure class” in retirement….
It’s right there on the surface for all to see, and we cannot. You were able to paint the vivid picture that explains bullying, obesity, Ritalin, juvenile diabetes in less than a sentence. Mr. Kunstler, you are a master at turning a word.
“…juvenile disempowerment palliated with manufactured video power fantasies and endless snacks.”
Hats off…
Agreed. But, our gov’t goes the wrong way in an attempt to encourage economic growth. They give subsidies to Big Oil and Coal & allow fracking and mountain top removal. At the same time, taxpayers are forced to deal with the aftermath, in most cases.
A more enlightened market approach would be to reapportion taxes from productive activities involved with earnings (income & payroll, for example), to societal cost taxes. A current method is “Sin Taxes” on tobacco and alcohol.
For our energy we could tax based upon:
*environmental damage.
*productivity lost due to gridlock.
*health costs due to air, water pollution, etc.
*indirect military costs.
*road maintenance.
This approach would encourage conservation and make renewable energy sources more competitive.
Love your post, Nastarana
The only bad things about middle age are the difficulty of maintaining my weight at the correct level, and the difficulty of getting a job or/and getting promoted.
Other than that, it’s great. When I was a young woman, I dreaded the future loss of my “marketability” and looks. But once I was into middle age, things really didn’t change much.. or rather, I didn’t care as much about the stuff that obsessed me as a youngster. My sex life is just as good, even better, because I’m not so obsessed with it, or with how I look or with staying “in style”. Menopause was a non-event- the cycle just faded away and I hardly noticed.
I no longer feel like I’m missing out on life by not being out every other night, or not being able to spend endlessly on the latest clothes. I am more orderly and better organized, plan better, spend far less money and get much more for it, and care less what people think of me.
It’s nice. My mother says the same thing, and my grandmother also did. I didn’t believe them till I got there myself.
Body’s fine, although I went through more challenges than you need to hear about. Working about half time as a business writer lately, weird…..best gig I’ve ever had in many ways. No stress, no corporate bullshit, and it pays pretty decent on top of it all. Maybe I’ll even be able to pay off these absurd medical bills….but don’t get me started.
Spiritually, I find it more and more difficult to be bothered with the broader ‘reality’ around me, as with FMW, it seems increasingly remote and vitality sapping. All of the various dualistic political and social posturing seems detached from any thing meaningful, only fodder for much ironic humor. It’s amusing to be at gatherings where the various sides look perplexed, unable to find a comfortable pigeonhole to place me in.
I see you are still wasting a fine inquiring mind, and a lot of energy, spinning your wheels with all the racist/sexist claptrap. Let it go man, it isn’t worthy of you. Besides, I get the impression you know it’s bullshit in the deeper sense. Maybe you should adopt Yeshe Tsogyel as your yidim, or spiritual consort…. you know…. get in touch with your ‘feminine side’ and all of that.
Still ensconced in the single wide with your bossy female kitty cats, I presume?
Is it just a coincidence that “bullying” only became such a major social issue after the generational wave of “self-esteem”, or am I reading too much into these ‘great’ issues of our times.
Yeah….that decline in the golf thing is a sign of the times. I always said I would never be old enough to play golf. Pretty soon maybe buying titanium golf clubs at garage sales and melting them down for the metal will become a cottage industry.
I’m forecasting the same thing for skiing, last time I was at Sun Valley the average age in the lodge must have been in the high 50’s. No wonder, with $95 a day lift tickets.
…funny, i ve been here for about six years, and looking back, i can see that there has been a marked rise in yard sales- i hadn t made the connection to the state of our “economy”, but it becomes evident in retrospect…
It’s disheartening to come to this blog in anticipation of a modest portion of insight into economic trends that most other commentators fail to observe and then to be broadsided by Kunstler’s hysteria over women, the gays, young black men, etc. He appears to present Enlightenment thinking, and shortly works in his retrograde Evangelical-quality intolerance. Very much reminds me of Ron Paul, the only politician who points out illegal behavior by our highest officials and then goes on to rant and rave over the unConstitutionality of civil rights for blacks. Principle becomes a front for bigotry.
Kunstler is 3 times divorced, so we can guess why his text has the odor of misogyny; but why the antipathy toward gays and blacks? I’d hate to think of what they did to him. Sounds like he hates to think about it, too.
“Is it just a coincidence that ‘bullying’ only became such a major social issue after the generational wave of ‘self-esteem’, or am I reading too much into these ‘great’ issues of our times[?]”
No, you’re wallowing in resentment. Turn on The O’Reilly Factor.
The communists were despots that murdered millions ie the Ukrainian genocide, the so called Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot’s depravities.
And let’s not forget the imprisonment of millions more, the suffocation and immiserization of Eastern Europe under Stalin’s (and his successors’) boot. Remember the Stasi?
So what are you saying? That those two little twinks – Hillary and Obama – are in any way comparable with those animals – Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot? I really don’t think so.
Aren’t there any immigrants in your neck of the woods from Russia or Eastern Europe or China or Vietnam? I’ve run into quite a few. Some were able to get out before the fall of the Iron Curtain and some after. Some were able to get out of China, some were Vietnamese boat people. And none were shy about telling their stories. Eyewitnesses to history Vlad, their accounts are highly illuminating.
I can tell you that most people in North America and Western Europe live in la-la land, they are blissfully ignorant of what went on and what still goes on.
When I saw Biily Jack as a kid I thought it was great. When I saw it as an adult I laughed out loud.
Who is going to write the equation L = f1(O1) = f2(O2) ? Who is, what is the Ultimate Brain Design that can see what all possible brain designs have in common ? So if the Absolute Processor, Absolute Observer Oa can write the equation, then the equation is valid also for itself hence L = fa(Oa), but then that means all Brain designs are equivalent, they are all just the same Processor. But then that would mean something similar to a baby being equivalent to an adult (or a rock being equivalent to you, since all items are possible Brain designs, as in Brainium), they know the same thing, and then to verify the equation, you would need a different Processor from Oa, an Oc to confirm the truth Oa finds, the equation Oa finds. But then Observer Oa and Observer Oc (confirmer) would have to live in some kind of Same Reference System, same Universe with the same Laws of Physics and such, demonstrating the equation even before knowing the Observers and such. And then if you choose a Rock as a random new Brain Design and random Observer, that Rock would have to communicate to you that the Absolute Observer is right, or would have to send some information to confirm this, but a Rock cannot talk and such.
The observer writing and confirming the equation would have to be some kind of superset of all possible observers and live in some kind of superset of all possible universes and so on. Of course the universe is a function of the observer (once an observer, for example a Man Brain with eyes and touch and sound and logic decoding the world according to space and time is designed and invented, the universe where that observer can live and interact is also defined, one implies the other, etc.), so once an observer is established, so is his universe and such, but then it can never be a superset of all universes and observers it will always fall back into just another distinct random observer, maybe having many properties and looking like a superset, but effectively being only just another plain observer, etc.
And then you can always assign an Observer O3 that wants to contradict or lie or simply doesn’t want to abide to the equation, who is going to tell that Observer that Oa is correct, and what does the rebel Observer even care about Oa, he can dismiss Oa as being nothing at all and such.
But then by the same reasoning, you can assign an Absolute Observer where the equation is true and another Absolute Observer where the equation is false and so on and this can justify inventing anything at all, any truth at all since you can assign the rules of verification in any way you want, you can invent all and assign all True or False or Anything else and so on and such. You can also define and assign yourself as the Absolute Observer deciding all, just like I like to do, just like the APE JOB does, and wait for the rock to contradict you or wait for another Observer to contradict you, but then the other observer would have to speak your language and decode the world according to how you decode it, but then it wouldn’t be a very different observer from you, so you can always assign an observer that can’t contradict you (or can contradict you, according to what you want to demonstrate), or you can always say the rock is the Absolute Observer, etc.
Hence this is the End of Science, as soon as you start changing the brain, you enter new worlds where Science is no longer operating.
What JHK describes can also be viewed in the movie “District 9”, a people without leadership and utterly destitute.
And Jim let me be blunt, you and the Michael Medveds of America and your gentle scolding cannot be the leadership that whites need. I’m sure the types like you and Mike make great neighbors, but behind you fine folk stand the Alan Dershowitzs and Bill Kristols and these are not nice people who inspire trust.
No, bullying wasn’t paid nearly as much attention until homosexuals were being bullied; then all of a sudden it was an important cause. Other kids who were bullied didn’t matter as much as the Precious.
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James, you never defined what made them a cult as opposed to a commune? As you know, Kibbutz have existed in Israel for a very long time.
Communes have been around even before the Hippies brought them into the forefront.
We have always had alternative lifestyles and their reasons for being have been diverse. It is very good that you have a relationship with them and they have helped you, as you have helped them.
Enjoy the growing season, and let us know how you are keeping out the groundhogs besides the good old fence.
http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
James S Saint wrote:
nameta9 wrote:Are the laws of physics invariant for all possible Observers ? If you have Observer1 O1 and Observer2 O2, are the laws of physics the same for both of them such that:
L = f1(O1) = f2(O2)
where L is an invariant form of the Laws of Physics in all possible reference systems according to all possible Observers ( all possible Information Processing Networks in newly designed Brains, all possible Processors), f1 is a particular function relative to the particular design of the particular Observer O1 and f2 is another specific function relative to the specific design of Observer2 O2 such that they transform the expression of all of the invariant repetitive laws discovered in one reference system O1 into the equivalent, but one to one association expression of the corresponding invariant repetitive laws discovered on behalf of Observer2 ?
Yes.
Else they aren’t the “Laws of Physics”.
In fact, what I am searching for are the most General Laws of Physics possible given any possible Observer or Processor design. And this project is destined to fail because it is always biased by my own Universe and Reference System from which I will never be able to escape unless I become something else, totally alien and totally non communicable.
The design of the Observer defines the design of the Universe that the Observer will interact with, the design of the Observer implies automatically, from the outset, the only kind of universe and hence laws of physics that it can live in and have, the set of Information Relationships that it can express and “Experience”, as the kind of life it can Experience, etc.
Interesting to see how Man has gone from being the center of all in old religions and even Science, to being an ever more relative item compared to the rest of the Universe, and then at the End of Science, he becomes once again the center of all, as the design of Man defines the universe he can interact and live in, but at the same time, automatically makes the design of man the utmost arbitrary and random choice, just a fluke choice amongst many trillions of possible Observer designs, of possible Processor designs and formats, and each Processor design can interact with a completely different Universe and set of laws of Physics. And hence even Man’s universe is just one of many possible Universes and Laws of Physics, his very Science and Logic becomes Arbitrary and Relative, the last substance of any ground and reference system evaporates forever. Bye, bye any Absolutes…
We are just a number written on a wall, with other numbers looking at us…
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http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179196
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http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
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Michael Crichton was a crypto-fascist crank who was wrong about almost everything.
Sort of like an even less talented Ayn Rand who read Popular Science.
Glad to hear you are feeling better. I’m a cancer survivor myself. I will never forget the thrill of terror on hearing the diagnosis, the sudden thrust to stardom in my own horror movie. And the joy as my body rallied under the treatment. And still remember the people in the chemo clinic, how they wished me well on my last day – and how I felt guilty as I left, knowing that most of them were never going to fully recover as I was likely to (and have).
Ken Wilber’s book about the cancer of his wife Treya (Dakini Wind) was great to read. How many new age guilt trips are laid on people. As if even plants don’t get cancer… And he describes the moment of her surrender to the inevibality of death – and how immediately she went into ecstacy. An advanced practicioner and an example to bear in mind.
Cats are difficult. The one I have now is driving me mad. She is very emotionally dependant, more like an infant than a cat. Also she keeps urinating on the rug. Do they make diapers for cats? I think I’m going to give her up to a no kill shelter. She’ll be perfect for some exteme cat person who wants a furry infant. I love cats for their independence. This one isn’t. She’s a stray I took in after the previous stray disappeared, probably eaten by coyotes.
I live in a house now that I own. No mortgage. The manufactured home was just a stop gap. The single wide was fixed idea for you, part of the ghetto prison you delegated me too in your mind.
The job sounds great especially if you can do it from home. That’s good for your recovery. How did you get that? Do you have a background in economics or business? Or just writing?
So, JHK is talking about Ponzi’s End, a nice change from Greek default terrorist talk.
Greece could default, but that won’t be Ponzi’s End, even though it might mean the ECB would be technically insolvent. Meh. Given the junk collateral already accepted for the LTROs, it’s probably insolvent already.
From recent experience we now know central bank insolvency doesn’t matter anyway. Nor does quantitative easing cause hyperinflation. The strategy that works is “muddling through”
Ponzi’s End, if it is at hand, will greet us with a whimper, not a bang. Sorry, doomers. No Black Swans, no sudden economic collapse. No social breakdown leading to bloodletting in the streets. Just more muddling through for a few more years or decades, or centuries … whatever.
Greece is undergoing a slow motion default – slow enough for investors to accommodate it. The private sector banks have already taken their lumps and written down their Greek assets. No biggie. No dramatic Ponzi’s End.
You’re missing the point: revolution is a PROCESS. It’s still early on yet. And many refugess from Eastern Europe and Russia have warned us not underestimate political correctness. They can see the forces of the Left waxing in strength and flexing their muscle.
Likewise, Whites from South Africa warn us that they’ve heard all the PC rhetoric before. And tell us not to give in and give up our control of the levers of power.
I have been suggesting to Jim for a while now he should endorse what I call The Egg and Sperm Civil Union Compromise, because it would not only resolve the marriage debate by preserving marriage as a man and a woman with the right to conceive children togther from their own genes, prohibiting creating children by any means other than joining a man and a woman’s unmodified gametes, and offering federal recognition of state Civil Unions to couples that are prohibited from conceiving children together, as same-sex couples would be.
I am very hopeful now that JHK will revisit my suggestion, because when I made it before, I think he just thought he didn’t want to get involved in the marriage debate and he wasn’t worried about genetic engineering and Transhumanism because he believed they were not going to survive into the long emergency. I agree they are unlikely to survive into the long emergency, but as long as we leave same-sex reproduction legal and teach children that they can change sex, and might not “be” the sex they clearly are, then there will be a crisis of confidence and lots of money and time wasted on research and sad confusing children.
See, the Egg and Sperm Civil Union Compromise isn’t just about prohibiting genetic engineering or establishing civil unions or preserving marriage, it is more about restoring a reassuring tone of confidence and clear lines of responsibility.
Please Jim, endorse the idea, it is the catalyst we need to turn the nations attention to our real problems.
Yes order will be restored – by Men. But the interim may be very messy and nasty. And women will seek male protection if they can get it in many areas. And when order is restored, hopefully it will be a less misandric order than we have now. Feminism is the real poison – we’re just reacting to that.
Feminists never wanted equality. I thought they did when I was younger, but time has told the tale. I was willing to adapt but I saw that women just wanted all they could get: all the rights of the new order and all the privledges of the old.
That’s why men should rule: we are naturally wired to take care of women whereas women don’t give a fig for the suffering of men. Women’s compassion is for children and for other women. Nothing for men who aren’t related and often not even for their husbands. And sometimes not even much for their own sons. Check yourself and you will see I’m right. Men need to “man up and shut up” that’s the only advice you people have for us in regards to our suffering. A big change from the old claim that Feminism would free men from their rigid roles, eh?
Feminism freed women from their rigid roles, keeping the old privledges of course. Now women are free to chase the top 5% of the wealthy men. And for the rest, they can go die quietly somewhere. And needless to say, most women wont get one of the 5% so they end up alone. This is a system that maximizes isolation and unhappiness for both sexes. As one savant said, “When one sex wins, both lose.” You won so you’ve lost.
Note: Obviously some men fail in their duties to the women in their lives. But they usually know it at some level. My point is that the directive is hard wired in the male. Women have nothing similar in regards to men. That’s the danger. And why they are unfit to command.
James, you never defined what made them a cult as opposed to a commune?
We have been so brainwashed by modernity to have a negative reaction to the word “cult” …
“Cult” is derived from the French culte, meaning “worship” … Oooo, scary!
The study of cultic or liturgical practices is called liturgiology. Cult is embodied in ritual and ceremony, e.g., Christianity is a cult. Oooo, scary!
Going back further the word “cult” originated from the Latin word cultus meaning “tended, cultivated,” as in the past participle of colere “to till the soil”.
Oooo, permaculture! Definitely scary!
Cult, Cultic, Cultivate, Culture, etc.
The word “cult” has positive connotations. Nothing to be scared about.
“…if you believe in it, it is a religion or perhaps ‘the’ religion; and if you do not care one way or another about it, it is a sect; but if you fear and hate it, it is a cult.” Leo Pfeffer.
A humorous quotation, but one that is uncomfortably close to reality.
Yes, because a small number of people are confused about their gender or orientation, they want to make them feel better by making everyone doubt their gender and orientation. This is perverse in the extreme – in the general or non sexual sense of the word. Thus public schools are becoming unteneable for people who care about their children and don’t want them subjected to this kind abuse or other kinds such as being told Whites are evil, the Untied States is evil, etc.
Oh when will realize the Fullness of the seeming void; the Voidness of the seeming full? As Merrill Wolfe said “Substantiality is inversely proportional to ponderability”. Ponder on that. This intuition, which lead to the first Awakening, was based on the work of the physicist Dirac.
I wonder if Rush has realized this? Or is he still pondering the vacuum called matter or worse, mental constructions about this? Or constructions about those constructions? As Ramana said, Words are the great grandsons of Truth.
He doesn’t call himself El Rushbo Maharishi for nuttin’.
I’m still waitin’ for the test results after I went to all the trouble of providing a detailed description of that reddish/brown squirrel.
This is such bullshit it makes me roll on the floor and laugh myself to tears.
Men are no more “hardwired” to care for women than the other way around, and they are definitely not “hardwired” to take care of their kids.
If you doubt me, consider feudal Europe and the neo-feudal Antebellum south. You could see, laboring in the fields and starving in their cottages, dozens of peasants with the facial features of the dominant family, just as you could find many hundreds of black people in a particular county who were closely related to plantation owners who didn’t even consider them to be human. These peasants and slaves were mostly the sons and daughters of aristocrats and slave owners who didn’t even recognize their common humanity, let alone their relationship as their sons and daughters. That’s how men “took care of” the women beneath their class level. The exploitation of female servants and low wage workers was a given, and the babies born were NOT elevated to the upper-caste father’s status, but ended up with their mother’s low status, or were given to a foundling hospital where their chances of survival were very low.
The same pattern continues to this day, though it is less blatant and brutal, thanks to women’s lib and the relative affluence of our lower classes. Males who “make it” almost always marry women from the class they’ve earned themselves into and forget about the secretaries and aspiring actresses and other such riffraff they played around with or co-habitated with on their way up. Women do NOT have the same opportunity to marry “up” as men do, because upper class males almost always, with rare exceptions, prefer to marry within the class they perceive themselves to belong to. Note that Leona Helmsley was already a millionaire real estate saleswoman when she married Harry, else she’d never gotten near the guy. Yet I know of 4 men who were able to marry upper class women though they had not quite earned their way into that bracket. Upper class women will do anything to have an “escort”, while men can always get an “escort”.
The higher up the socio-economic ladder you look, the more marriages are likely to considered with material and “suitability” concerns foremost in the minds of both partners and their families. This has always been the way with humans and I don’t see it ever changing. People born far down the ladder, of whichever sex, have very small chances of achieving social mobility through marriage.
And they really shouldn’t try. The only way to achieve durable success is to WORK for it, and everyone I ever knew who married “up” ended up doing a lot more work and enduring a lot more suffering to earn his or her riches than they would have if they’d just worked and saved.
We are always fighting our “Mental Model” of things, of the way we imagine that they are supposed to be, etc.: but things are independent from any of our Mental Models and we are always surprised to discover how random and independent from us or any model we have in our mind reality is. And we fight ourselves because reality contradicts our Mental Model, what “We Thought Should and Would Happen” and such: like I wanted my kid to go to college (Mental Model) but instead he became a thug and such, and so I fight myself and try to force reality to abide to the Mental Model, when the Mental Model was false and must be hosed, accept reality and give up, etc. Don’t fight yourself, jut accept Reality and get rid of any Mental Models or Plans or Projects or Expectations, etc.
Back on Dice: in order to help you all contradict me, I will give you a clue: it is true that the Observer implies a Universe that he can Observe according to how he is designed, the Observer fits in perfectly with the way the Universe he Observes is designed (according to how he himself is designed, a kind of positive feedback loop fitting the Observer to his Universe, each to each other perfectly, one implies the other) and how he Interacts with it and the fixed set of events the Observer and the Outside Universe expect to occur during the lifetime of the Observer (the possible Information Relationship Set and Reciprocal Interaction Set).
But the design process that created the Observer (the Man Brain as we know it and according to the Universe as we know it) was executed by Natural Evolution, through a gradual adaptation of every new “Functionality” to the environment in which the Observer found himself in, through a constant testing and trying of each small change, making only the most functional changes survive etc. Compare this to the imagined “Instant Singularity” where there is no “Evolution” or trial and error process, but a one shot radical change of the Observer and the expectation that this Observer can survive and Live and Be Conscious in a new imagined Universe (or his Universe).
But we can imagine that all and all we are simply inside an artificial contraption where Natural Evolution and the gradual trial and error adaptation is just a make believe, a simulation, just a joke. And we can imagine any other contraption with any other radically new and one shot designed Observer Instantly adapated to a corresponding Universe and Law of Physics, as fake as can be, but since the only thing that really matters is the one shot sequence of point like events the Observer is experiencing and “Living”, Evolution and Gradual are not not necessary, only the Information Relationship Set and Interaction Set count and are effectively perceived by the Observer as he lives in this “Artificial Universe”: we may very well all the same be inside an “Artificial Universe” of some alien race, where a microsecond of ours is a year of theirs or a year of our life is a microsecond of theirs and so on.
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That’s how men “took care of” the women beneath their class level.
Dem white mens just be doin’ their part in that there miscegenation.
The only way to achieve durable success is to WORK for it…
You be believin’ in the Easter bunny, too, Miss Laura?
A child of God can work awful hard serving dem fries and burgers… ain’t never gonna get no “durable success” or “social mobility”
All corporate statistics are lies and all goverment statistics are damn lies! That leaves us with what we can see.
The Chinese real eastate bubble is far larger than any western bubble. It includes five (or is it six?) completed vacant cities. Even if these vacant inland cities turn out to have strategic value (in a rising seas, pole shift or nuclear war scenario) this level of building cannot be sustained.
Chinese real estate demand is dependent on their manufacturing economy. Chinese manufacturing economy is dependent on export demand and that demand is plummeting. A Chinese economic crash is inevitable, some would say it has begun already.
Could the Chinese honor their oil purchase contracts anyway? Yes, they have the foreign exchange to purchase the oil and build new storage for it. Will they? Anybody’s guess.
I hope Jim writes more about this group. The doctrine of adult males being circumcised before marriage is quite interesting. Wonder if he ever seen any of that back in the 70s.
Gee, how Orwellian!
‘China’s communist-government-run economy, not the USA free market capitalist economy, is the engine of world economy’
But Chairmen Marx and Mao said that the workers produce, never management.US has more Indians than China has chiefs.
Dammit Jim, I’ve found some pretty good stuff at yard sales and flea markets. A few years ago I picked up a German Luger for 20 bucks. I bought a garage full of hand tools, most made right here in the USA from back when we made stuff. I’ve found Collins Axes, New Britain Machine wrenches, Stanley tool micrometers, Winchester .30-30 ammo, shovels and hoes from Mass., hammers from Mann Company in Pennsy, drill bits, screw drivers, machetes, a Baker shotgun from NY State (neded some work) … and that’s just for starers. Not far from you in Newfane, Vt is a great flea market selling every tool ever made in the US probably from the beginning. And its all for just a few $$$. Sure there is a lot of worthless junk. Thats the stuff that gets thrown in the dumpster at the end of the day.
–WSP7
I love the poor! If only they didn’t smell so bad. How can anything so good smell so bad?
Like Ignatius Reilly, my love for them keeps me awake at night.
Best thing: last year I picked up a Parker bench vice, made in Meriden, CT, same company that mfg. the classic Parker Shotgun, for $5.00. It was at a yard sale in Stockbridge, Mass.
–WSP7
Not sure if you mean the crime of ‘Bullying’ or the media narrative of such.
Its true that gays in school, bullied, commit suicide at higher rates than straights.
Its also true that Gay adults off themselves at higher rates.
Theres a great article at TAKI, titled something like ‘Lady Gaga….’ Here tis:
Taki’s Magazine article/death_by_diva_kathy_shaidle
Mar 27, 2012 – Death by Diva? Lady Gaga
Please stop dragging Ramana into yr ‘homophobic hate fest’.
I too like Laura’s treatise today. I would, however, like to hear more about the “… sleeping with whores…” part of western life. This interest is entirely academic, of course.
A few years ago I read how China was pumping cities out! Largest user of concrete,etc.
Ive always held a dim view of China, its opression of women, its materialism,Tibet takeover, legal infanticide etc.
I get a kick out of whites who go there to study FengShui adnauseum and ‘dont see China for what it is'[including Mao killing 70 million chinks].
China depends on the rest of the world buying its goods.
Remember, the rich Women benefited from slavery too. Interesting how you forgot that. Men got forgotten and remember strategically nowadays. If a woman soldier does something great – kudos for team women. If a man does something great – a soldier did something great. But if he screws up, a man screwed up.
You may have something about the upper class: they are wise to the hypergamous ways of women perhaps. So they are on the watch for gold diggers. And rich women, having already made it by birth, marriage and divorce, or real achievment, may be a little more relaxed about hypergamy than women who haven’t made it. The rich are different! You and F Scott are in agreement. Seriously, you are a worthy opponent but you never give my ideas a chance before you attempt to narrowly refute them – again with great ability. You could have been a good lawyer or prosecutor.
Feminism is an inter-generational disease as your previous post indicated. But a self correcting one: your granny, your mom, you, your ….. I’m glad you are happy, if you are. But most women want children and bitterly resent the docs who lied to them about how they could wait – or their own foolish passing up of worthy suitors in their youth.
heres the start of the article:
How we get bullied:
How many suicides will we blame on Lady Gaga years from now?
Take 16-year-old Campbell Kenneford, who told the Daily Mail that Lady Gaga inspired him to have a sex change [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Hear me out: Our ruling elites insist that bullied gay teens commit suicide in greater numbers than the general population—a dubious statistic—so all children are now obliged to endure “anti-bullying” campaigns in school.
Of course, these “anti-bullying” campaigns are simply the latest, well, bullying attempts to normalize homosexual behavior and recruit youngsters into a promiscuous gay lifestyle.
Gay activists admit this, and this phony suicide “epidemic” was debunked over ten years ago, but straight “useful idiots” are in denial. And hey, decorating the classroom with rainbows is easier and more fun than teaching algebra, right?
The Red Tail Hawk Lives!!
A beautiful Red Tail Hawk with open wings glided past us and landed in a low shady tree in Washington Square park along the eastern end near the a fence.
Patiently, it sat for a throng of photographers including myself snapping pictures with our cell phones.
I couldn’t help but imagine him/her to be a celebrity used to the attention like a true professional.
So in the heart of downtown NYC nature asserts itself–always a great reminder of life outside our narrow scope!
the description of the weekend seems a tad like something out of World Made by Hand.
Anyway, small-town VT seems like a place right out of this. We are our own little world and living here I feel SO removed from the reality of CLusterfuck Nation – so what is real, VT or CFN? Quandary. We are working on local energy, a strong local food system, and the state motto: Please visit. Spend Your Money. GO Home.
Huh? Where did I do that? That was a couple of days ago. Now women are the target. Many holy men have spoken against homosexuality. The Dalai Lama for one. To my knowledge, Ramana never spoke of it.
That leaves us with what we can see. The Chinese real estate bubble is far larger than any western bubble.
You can see the Chinese real estate bubble? What kind of glasses do you wear?
Other people “see” otherwise.
“There has been a bubble in the Chinese property market which is now over,” Jim Rogers was quoted saying in an exclusive interview with the paper. “It’s always right to follow what the government does, so look at the Five-Year Plan (2011-15) to see where the government’s sympathy lies,” said Rogers. Those sympathies lie with new value added technologies like biotech, and building up the municipalities in the interior of China, and — more importantly — building China’s social safety net to help an aging population stay out of poverty.
SOURCE: Forbes Investing 4/09/2012
Please help me get my proposal off the ground! It could be done before the elections, if we just start saying it’s a good compromise. Try googling it, The Egg And Sperm Civil Union Compromise and start spreading the idea. It will have an amazing effect on our culture, and restore men’s sense of worth and value, women will have to admit that men are needed after all, and same-sex couples aren’t just the same.
Yes, they live in big cities sometimes and feed on pigeons. I feel bitter that I’ve never seen one take its prey.
I did see a Sea Gull and Crow fight an aerial battle: beatiful like the green lion and red dragon of alchemical lore. Or more prosiacally, the battle between the Black and White Race.
Black kids are so racist that they don’t ever want to be White while playing chess. You can’t make this stuff up, white people.
Still feeling guilty up there about the lack of Blacks? Count your blessings. I heard some crazy Vt farmers who were trying to get Blacks up there…
In Burlington, they agonize over why the few Blacks commit so many of the crimes…. How can they spin it so it’s White People’s fault.
“A more enlightened market approach would be to reapportion taxes from productive activities involved with earnings (income & payroll, for example), to societal cost taxes. A current method is “Sin Taxes” on tobacco and alcohol.
For our energy we could tax based upon:
*environmental damage.
*productivity lost due to gridlock.
*health costs due to air, water pollution, etc.
*indirect military costs.
*road maintenance.
This approach would encourage conservation and make renewable energy sources more competitive.”
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Not on this planet!
That might work where the “govern mint” was not an owned subsidiary of those who also own the energy companies and the financial system.
Per a free market: If someone proposed a credible method to overthrow the current control system, institute a free market and then keep it free, the proposal might be worth a try. Keep in mind that anyone with the power to achieve this is likely to have an negative incentive.
Certianly a free market has yet to be seen.
It is hard to envision a market or government escaping control by the elite for more than a short time.
The job sounds great especially if you can do it from home. That’s good for your recovery. How did you get that? Do you have a background in economics or business? Or just writing?
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All of the above, corporate level finance, but never had three consecutive seconds I enjoyed being there, so couldn’t hang around long enough to make the big time. I’d be dead a long time ago if I’d stuck, probably with a rich good looking widow.
Send one resume out to an editor, he’s kept me as busy as I want for over a year now. All from home, all piece work. Partly luck, partly background.
Even your cat pisses on you?? no wonder you are so screwed up Vlad. Get a fuckin’ life would ya?, and give the women and blacks a break for christsake.
OK, John Howard, I’ll bite.
You say: “offering federal recognition of state Civil Unions to couples that are prohibited from conceiving children together”
Does that mean that infertile men and infertile women, those who are incapable of conceiving children, would be limited to Civil Unions and denied marriage, even though it’s a one-man and one-woman love affair?
Certainly a free market has yet to be seen.
Which makes it all the more ludicrous that people keep talking about it as a panacea.
No asoka, infertile couples are not prohibited from conceiving offspring, so they are allowed to marry. No one is prohibited from marrying or conceiving offspring. Everyone is allowed to marry and conceive offspring with their spouse, but there are some types of relationships that are off limits to everyone and should be prohibited to marry and procreate, such as siblings and other close relatives, children, and people already married to someone else. Those types of relationships, however, should be eligible for Civil Unions that give all the other rights of marriage but do not approve and allow sex and procreation. (And couples that are eligible for marriage could get these Civil Unions as well, if they felt like it, but it wouldn’t express society’s approval of sex and procreation like a marriage does.)
No asoka, infertile couples are not prohibited from conceiving offspring, so they are allowed to marry.
How would an infertile couple conceive? Artificial insemination? Turkey baster?
Gay couples can do the same thing. I think your proposal would face gigantic legal challenges as unconstitutional.
You want to prohibit two people who love each other from having and raising children, just because they are same sex. Would not pass muster constitutionally.
correction – children would not be eligible for Civil Unions, obviously, nor would people already married to someone else. So, basically, they are just for same-sex couples and closely related non-sexual couples and other platonic male-female couples.
The idea is pretty simple: same-sex couples admit that they cannot ethically procreate together and give up claiming the equal right to procreate together that a man and a woman have in marriage, and in exchange we give them Civil Unions that will never become marriages but will give them the security and protections they and their families need.
infertile couples are not prohibited from conceiving offspring
Infertile one man-one woman couples are prohibited by God from conceiving offspring. God did not give them enough sperm or eggs to conceive. God probably doesn’t even want them to be together.
But you would allow Civil Unions for them. You are risking the wrath of God with your proposal. Be careful.
Well, Vlad, as it happens I have a feminist sister who is the mother of three, so the meme will be passed on…. to a lawyer niece, no less.
The “disease” sort of runs in the family, being that I’m descended from Danish and German mercantile bourgeois people, on two sides of my two stem families. And the rural Scotch-Irish relations tend to be awfully independent.
Regarding delaying motherhood: I don’t lie to young women. The “efficient frontier” for maternity, which is at the point where you’re still young and healthy enough to be fertile, yet old enough to have some financial stability, is 25-34. A little younger is OK, but no younger than 22. And no older than 36 (and that’s getting there). Over 40 should be out of the question. Even if you can conceive, your child is more likely to have crippling defects that don’t prevent him from being born, just visit him with terrible health and developmental problems- look at Karen Santorum and her unfortunate 3-year old child with Trisomy 18, which happens mostly to babies born of older mothers.
Just as bad, your children might not get to even have you around. Your children not only need you when they’re still children, but when they’re having their own children and getting started on adult life. For this reason, it is not good for either women or men over the age of 40 to breed. I would want my kids to grow up with both their dad and their mom, and I’d like any grandchildren to have Grandma and Grandpa.
you’re not taking it seriously. I guess there are lots of people who just like being witty on line, but I’m trying to solve the marriage debate and change the whole course of history here.
Tell people about the Egg and Sperm Civil Union Compromise and let’s get serious about the future.
As Hobbes put it: for the mass of humanity life is “nasty, short, and brutish” [I paraphrase, not having consulted Bartlett’s].
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Welcome back Bubble…here’s the whole thing:
no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
China’s GDP per capita: 500% increase
2000 China US$800
2010 China US$4,000 (500% increase over 2000)
China’s progress lifted all boats, to the benefit of all.
USA’s GDP per capita: 134% increase
2000 USA US$35,082
2010 China US$47,153 (134% increase over 2000)
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Asoka, you are not good with numbers. The increase for China is 400% and the increase for the USA is 34%, assuming the data you started with is correct.
Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon recently got a look inside the Fukushima nuclear energy complex. The experience left him deeply concerned, and I, Asoka, would like to join him in calling for the USA to lend every possible assistance to stabilize what remains a very precarious situation. He paints a picture of extreme vulnerability to yet another nuclear disaster far worse than the first, especially in Unit 4.
Inactive at the time of the quake and tsunami but wrecked by explosion, Unit 4 warehouses Fukushima’s hottest inventory of radioactive fuel rods in a part of the world that remains very seismically unstable.
“The precarious status of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear units and the risk presented by the enormous inventory of radioactive materials and spent fuel in the event of further earthquake threats should be of concern to all and a focus of greater international support and assistance,” he said.
Sen. Wyden joins prominent physicist Michio Kaku and nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen in saying that there is a very real and imminent threat of nuclear disaster in the event of another big earthquake or explosion in the crippled nuclear complex.
These experts say a breach of the above-ground storage ponds there in another incident — the probability of which is rated at about 70 percent within the next three years — could result in a catastrophe 10 times worse than Chernobyl. Such an event could require the evacuation of the entire nation of Japan and send a radioactive cloud over the whole northern hemisphere.
THIS IS A WORLDWIDE EMERGENCY.
Our best scientists and engineers should be assigned to help the Japanese cope with these broken reactors. A global problem of this scale requires a global response.
The problem with your numbers is, no body who made 35K in 2000 is likely to be making 47K today, (statistically, at least). That’s an average, and the average guy has been getting pissed on by Vlad’s cat pretty regularly in that time frame. Wealthy aren’t complaining however.
BTW — does Vlad’s FEMALE cat pissing on his carpet prove that karma does exist? Now, if fluffy is black….wellllll then, I rest my case.
And another thing…..one of the funniest things in U.S. politics is watching how, every time some one in the world cocks a pistol, ‘ol Sen. McCain get his rusty armor out and rides his little stick pony around the Senate huffing and puffing about how “we” ought to go in “there” and set it all straight. When exactly did that guy bump his head, anyway.
Thank you. I’m just not as smart as you.
My point was to show the communist-controlled Chinese economy is outdoing the USA capitalist economy. Whether the numbers are 500% to 134% (3.73 times) or 400% to 34%, (11.76 times) both sets of numbers support my point. Your correction actually makes my case stronger.
The Truce is over. This is why people hate you.
Yes the disease is widespread among Whites. It’s good if this Civilization crashes so Whites can have a chance to reorganize in a healthier form. A slow decline will be the end of us.
Remember the nice religious communities from the 60’s? Think that is the path to a World made by Hand? You must have a short memory, Jimbo.
“Jonestown” by Concrete Blonde
Your kind is on its way out. You may be able to learn from the experience of your victims.
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/adaedu.html
May love between the races bring about a slow, and nonviolent, process of extinction of morally-challenged whites through miscegenation.
Asoka, most of the productivity that has driven Chinese success is from manufacturing junk. Total crap that people in the U.S. will cut way down on as the economy here continues to wane. They don’t manufacture many products that are absolutely vital or of high quality.
You’re also a huge hypocrite, Asoka. The Chinese can be extremely brutal, even bloody, in dealing with their own people. You’re no peace-filled enlightened ol’ campaigner. You’re gleefully waiting for them to best the West, lol.
Blacks will still be surrounded and outnumbered. You know that, give it up. You’ll never have hegemony in the country.
Absolutely, we should be demanding that every available resource is devoted to getting Fukushima safe and sound immediately. It’s outrageous that we are prioritizing gay marriage and same-sex procreation over preserving our natural procreation rights and fertility. Nuclear disasters certainly affect people’s procreation and fertility, so the genetic engineers just don’t care about nuclear disasters, they would benefit if tons of people became infertile and needed genetic engineering.
Let’s go nuclear!
Well Asoka, you might want to take a look at this country as well as Fukishima.
Yes Fukishima is a disaster that keeps on giving, and as you must be reading deep sea Tuna found on the West Coast now has cesium.
We also know that the MOX fuel rods are sitting on top of building 4 and nothing’s being done about it. Can you spell melt-down?
But here in the good ole’ USA is a real beaut! from the website blueblogging. Just google the following title.
Trashing Texas Is BIG Money For Republican Donors and Rick Perry.
Harold Simmons, Billionaire and corporate raider who is a waste control specialist, wants to dump nuclear wastes from 37 states into Texas right over an Aquifer.
Ya gotta read this one. I swear I think these guys turned Christianity into the worship of Thanatos.
Are you saying Bill did things differently?
‘Way back in the 1990s’ [sorry Incrediblestringband]
And what of Hit-lary? And Barak?
little laddie lederhosen IS the Mouth of Madness.
What are you imbibing/injesting/smoking, and what station are you tuned to?
(The time-stamp on your posting couldn’t have been more apropos.)
I was turning on NPR and I think I heard the Natural Gas Industry as one of their advertisers
As soon as you get your.. head out of Asoka’s lap you can look around and tune in to something else yourself.
of course the timing was great. I knew he would eventually go on a tear -about whites who refuse to deify blacks-going extinct in one big pile of mush.
What’s yer point?
“Also came upon this today, a story about Jesus of Siberia. An idyllic community, no cars or roads or suburbs, yet they were all followers.”
Being that “they were all followers” is plenty reason to be suspicious.
A lemming stampede consists of “followers”.
Laura, Thank you for your kind response.
Why the “I’m ignorant and proud of it” contingent thinks it will ever be invited to be in charge of anything is beyond me.
Vlad, In these times, order is usually restored by foreign armies, Canadian if we are lucky, and Chinese if we are not. Martial law tends to hand out summary executions for those who have been causing mayhem, and to put productive people to work.
Women not showing “compassiom”? Gee, maybe we got a few too many rocks thrown at us, those who were not attractive, a few too many insults, maybe, the formerly good lookers, got knocked around a few too many times, got subjected to a few too many crude come ons.
Maybe some of you boomer mens should have stayed with someone who loved you, even if she wan’t a perfect ten. Maybe you should have stayed off the drugs and out of the bars, and spent some cash on your kids. You try raising kids on your own and holding down a job; then maybe you can lecture at others about how the genders are “hardwired”.
Were you ever fired from a job where you had a good work and perfect attendance record beccause some friend of the boss thought you weren’t “perky” enough? Happens to women all the time.
Were you seriously thinking that you could have a lot of fun with exciting number 10 ladies, and then when you started to slow down some plain girl with a good personality would be oh so grateful to take care of you? Ha! Cry, baby, cry!
“Meanwhile, demand for Chinese exports is falling, and that’s what underwrites it all.” -LL
Laura,
And, pray tell, what might these vaunted exports be make from?
Oh, that’s right, finite resources that (the most of which) they do not even possess within their borders. Hmmm, what happens when contractual promises are not honored?
Now, if they were manufacturing coveted items made from bits of human Chinese bodies, we’d have something that would go a bit farther, time-wise.
I know! Pet foods could be in high demand on the export market… Ms. Tosser, get me Purina on the phone, and be quick about it!
Saw this at TAKIs, now canadian Scouting is a tool to ‘teach’ diversity and tolerance!
‘Scouts Canada National Diversity Video.
Scouting is a great program for all Canadian youth to learn and enjoy’.
The left is SO sick.
…And there ya be.
Glad you pointed that out. It’s what really is, not some theoretical book-babble.
Lock and load… THEN place yer bets.
awesome, right?! we have a nesting pair that live about 200 yards across the meadow next to our house- there is something primal about that screech! and in the spring you can see the parents teaching the youngun’ how to hunt; it s like Nature streamed live, or something, ha ha i ll never forget the time one of them spent maybe five minutes on the tree branch at the edge of the yard- which is about thirty feet from the floor to ceiling windows…incredible…
Score!!!!
(And we ain’t talkin’ feetsball-no-hands.)
“Were you ever fired from a job where you had a good work and perfect attendance record beccause some friend of the boss thought you weren’t “perky” enough? Happens to women all the time.”
Eh, sorry, I flat don’t believe that one. They could never get away with it.
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There will also never be a foreign force of troops on American soil, or whatever other shit you were babbling about in your diatribe against “mens”.
Women like Nasty, liberals(and pseudo-intellectuals)like Ozone, and negroids like Asoka are three examples of three of the groups(more than three) killing the U.S.
Melodramatic but true.
Asoka??
Fuck “him”; I don’t read his droolings.
As fer you… no further comment nor readings either.
You didn’t understand, eh?
Tough shit; life’s hard.
The left is SO sick.
[sarcasm on]
Yeah, diversity and tolerance! Imagine that! Sick, sick, sick!
The scouts should be teaching racial purity and encourage beating up anyone different from you.
[sarcasm off]
Asoka?? I don’t read his droolings.
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Ozone? Yes! I read all his posts and enjoy them immensely. I am large (tolerant). I contain multitudes (diversity).
I got into an attack frenzy.’!!’ I apologize, I think.
Jim Rodgers is a smart investor. Betting on companies subsidized by the Chinese government could pay off despite the overall outlook. I also agree the bubble has popped, we just haven’t seen much of the fallout yet, due to government cushioning of the favored.
The Chinese economic growth model is even less sustainable than the Western one. There are not enough resources in the world to continue it’s growth long term. Trees do not grow to the sky. The cracks in the Chinese growth model are apparent if you look, and will be evident even to those who don’t soon.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/05/china-manufacturing-pmi-softens-again.html
Of course the economic pundits that have been touting the USA “recovery” since 2009 are unlikely to notice.
…ok, THAT was funny! impedia, but funny…!
@tark- pseudo, huh? muthafuckah has utilized more intelligence within one of his flippant replies to hoser than you ve shown in all of your turd droppings that i ve bothered to read…O3 is one the Nation’s originals, jackass, and is, if nothing else, well respected for having an actool point of view and perspective based upon reality and experience…who the fuck are you to administer an ad hominem attack? tark? Really?! how about shut the fuck up and leave us to have an adult conversation…?
Try backing up a bit John. I’m not sure exactly what you are arguing for either even though I think I’m on your wavelength.
I don’t have to wonder what Hobbes or Kierkegaard would have thought about CFN’s extraordinary fixation on a ‘Doomsday’ future since their writings are abundantly clear regarding the pitfalls of “The Next Day” obsession.
As Hobbes writes:
” So that man, which looks too far before him, in the care of future time, hath his heart all the day long, gnawed on the feare of death,poverty, or other calamity; and has no repose, nor pause of anxiety, but in sleep.”
Don’t bother – he’s an Anti-White Fanatic. Whites like him decided the White Race has to die. And they HATE Whites who don’t consent to suicide like them.
He can’t stand reading viewpoints that don’t agree with his own so he pretends that he doesn’t read them. But he often does nontheless.
Women destroyed the social contract between the sexes. They didn’t need men once welfare was available and without stigma. That ended the Black Family and now many among the White Poor. On a higher level, no fault divorce gave women a way to get men’s estates without the men. The Temptation was too great and the divorce rate soared – mostly brought by women. And academics went right along writing spurious papers about how fathers weren’t necessary. How many thugs have been created by raising boys without fathers!
So we’ve given up on y’all. The hatred and evil are just too great. We’ll look for wives among the uncorrupted women in other lands. Competition! You’re a slovenly lot, obese and ill mannered. You don’t stand a chance. Men in Europe feel the same way about American Women.
Diversity is code for ‘anti white’.
Tolerance, of what and for how long?
Since when should Scouts be indoctrinated?
‘You’re also a huge hypocrite, Asoka’
In the words of OEO, ‘You must be new around here’.
[No limit to the # of peeps you can luv at asokas luv-in]
Diversity is code for ‘anti white’.
I respectfully disagree, anti soak. Diversity is strength. Diversity is not race-based. Diversity makes our nation strong. Diversity makes our army strong. Here is what our Army says about diversity:
Army diversity is defined as the different attributes, experiences, and backgrounds of our Soldiers, civilians and family members that further enhance our global capabilities and contribute to an adaptive, culturally astute Army. The policy goes on to say that diversity is a major strength of our Army, the strength of this nation.
Our reflection of the nation’s diverse talent and our commitment to Army values empower us to achieve the Army’s diversity vision, which is “The national leader in embracing the strengths of diverse people in an inclusive environment. We will achieve this vision by investing in and managing talent, valuing individuals, and developing culturally astute Soldiers, civilians and family members who support our communities, and who embrace the human dimension of leadership.”
All too often, diversity is seen through the eyes of visible descriptions of skin color, gender, race, physical attributes and age. Visible descriptions can readily be observed and are important aspects of our identity, but they are only about 10 percent of who we are.
When I think of diversity, I picture the “Diversity Iceberg Model,” developed by Shell Oil. The Iceberg Model indicates the majority of our characteristics are hidden from view, below the waterline. So when we attempt to define diversity, we must think of the bottom side of the iceberg, those invisible characteristics, such as our value systems, communications styles, family history, skills, talents, education, religion and economic status. What lies below the waterline of the iceberg are the underlying causes of what manifests itself on the visible side. The below-the-waterline descriptions or characteristics are vast and complicated belief systems and cognitive structures.
I’ll reply to this more later. But…
He and you both have barely said a thing that wasn’t doublespeak, deliberately wordy and empty hot air… people like you love to posture online because I can guarantee you, you sonofawhore, that you couldn’t back it up in person…more later.
I actually knew better than to apologize…oh well.
10 Ways to Celebrate Diversity on CFN
? Respect everyone on CFN: We’re all human beings, and we’re all equal too. Treat others the way you want them to treat you.
? Make the connection with fellow CFNers: We are much more alike than at first it seems. We all have hearts and minds and dreams. Even doomers.
? Be proud of your heritage, even if you are a morally-challenged white: You are special – don’t keep it inside. Share the best part of your culture background with pride. Don’t dwell on the part where you dropped atom bombs on civilians.
? Keep an open mind: Listen to what others on CFN have to say. You’re sure to learn something new that way. There are no complete idiots here.
? Learn about other cultures: Explore the world that we all share. It’s your world, too, so show you care.
? Avoid stereotyping: Don’t judge others based on their looks or political affiliations. It’s what’s inside that matters – just like with books from your wonderful local public library.
? Enjoy multicultural activities: Go to cultural festivals and concerts. The world’s full of interesting things to explore.
? Study another language: You discover other cultures as you learn what people speak, whether it’s Japanese, Spanish, Swahili or Greek.
? Reach out on CFN: Friends of all backgrounds bring something new. Get to know people different from you and avoid ad hominem attack.
? Build CFN peace: Kind actions and words help spread peace with ease. Tolerance, love and trust are the keys. There is no limit to how many people we can love.
Does anyone still think Obama was born in the United States? Why? What’s your proof? Note: scorn, slander, insult, and contempt are not proof – except that you got nothing to bake up your claims.
Face it: we’ve been had. Why double down on a mistake?
See the birth certificate here:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/04/politics/interactive.obama.birth.certificate/index.html
The long form, baby!
I am told that Obama spent a Million $ fighting
showing his BC. Mc Cain also was born outside USA.
He merely provided his BC.
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To say everyone is special is to say no one is. You have said nothin – except that you don’t like Whites.
Why did he get the financial aid that foreigners get? Why did he himself say that he was born in Kenya? Why did the people in his village say that he was born there?
Nice week’s work, JHK.
I was rereading your essay before commenting, and realized that all but the first two paragraphs dealt with your new “commune friends,” or whatever you’re going to eventually call them. Very interesting stuff. We will look forward to hearing more about these folks in coming weeks.
“I don’t know whether these people represent a lifeboat, or if these qualities of character can be enacted in a wider consensual culture, and one not necessarily based on religious doctrine, which I am not so avid about.” -jhk-
I don’t know either.
We in the “prosperous?” mainstream US take law enforcement so COMPLETELY for granted – that we tend to think our own raw or quirky individualisms are a Law of Nature.
They are not, of course. And without 911 on speeddial 24/7 – most (maybe ALL) of our present living arrangements need a backup security plan, pronto.
Some sort of communal living could provide this security – but what would mediate the inevitable disputes, and ensure some sort of minimal dedication to common goals.
Religion, of one sort of another, has always provided mediation and goal dedication to human groups, in the absence of omnipresent and NEUTRAL law enforcement.
Based on my observations of human nature, and the tribal nature of family and larger groups – I don’t see how society can relocalize and “power down” without something akin to religion leading the way into a future with less robust law enforcement.
I just don’t.
I know this post is going to piss off the Atheist contingent on CFN. Sorry about that. But blustery denial of human nature – will not change that human nature.
Believe it or no, I do take your points. ;o)
You might want to consult wardoc on the utility of religion in times of life-or-death desperation. If your particular religion be based on life-taking, that might come in handy for expiating the guilt of cold murder.
I hadn’t thought much about it, but is there such a thing as neutral law enforcement? (By extension, who writes the laws that need all the enforcing, and what would their motivation be?)
Here’s a [non]law that apparently helps to inculcate “knuckling under to authority figures”. I really don’t see any other reason for it. Agricultural Inspection, my ass:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31452.htm
I’ve always been in favor of eradication of some laws that pretend a moral tone. Sharia law might be fun, especially a rabid Krishan version. (Da Law according to G W Bush the Lesser would have to be one of the chapters; his exemplary jeziz worship is a beacon to unappreciated psychos and self-labeled pretend victims everywhere.)
****Sorry for that last bit of snark, but I know it doesn’t confront you anyway, so I let it ride. :o) (If you complain, I’ll be more circumspect in future, no worries.)
Does anyone really know how many wives Romney has?
Why did he strap his dog to the roof of his car? Was the car full of his wives?
“60 guests showed up for the birthday bash as the late afternoon and evening arrived, all different races and shades, but hell who cares…”
Well, obviously you care, simpleton. Why else would you mention it?
“…illegal immigrants going back to Jalisco Mexico for a better life.”
Riiiiight!
“Women voted for Clinton because he favored positions on reproductive rights that were favorable to women…”
Wrong. Clinton favored the “position” of an intern on her knees. (No need for “reproductive rights” here baby, all she need do is swallow.)
This, of course, was an emulation of his child hood hero, JFK, who also enjoyed this position. Of course, JFK, being a man of the people, shared his intern with his inner circle.
Be proud of your heritage, even if you are a morally-challenged white: You are special – don’t keep it inside. Share the best part of your culture background with pride. Don’t dwell on the part where you dropped atom bombs on civilians. – Assoka
Yes, ad hominem attacks are bad but racial taunts are OK? In a racially diverse and divided country like the US do you think that your incitement of racial hatred is helpful? Talk about morally challenged.
Nobody believes your assertion that you are Black, least of all me. Blacks are not in a position of power in the US, not numerically, nor economically. So here you are maliciously trying to stir up hate towards them, a racial minority not in a position to defend themselves.
Tell me Asoka, why do you hate Black people, why are you trying to stir up this trouble? Don’t you think Blacks have seen enough hardship this past 400 years? Don’t you think they should be left alone?
OK Dee show us your moral superiority, your greater wit and sophistication and defend this Asoka garbage.
So Fluffy IS black!! no doubt she’s a dakini warrior, here to give you instruction Vlad….listen up.
Don’t you think [Blacks] should be left alone?
Not really. With enough support and encouragement I think one day we will have a Black president living in the White House. I’d vote for Michelle Obama.
Women voted for Clinton because he favored positions on reproductive rights that were favorable to women – Laura
Laura are you so sure that Clinton actually gave a damn about women’s reproductive rights? Or was this just pure grubby politics ie tell’em what they want to hear
I suppose you’re right, they make a bigger deal out of bullying now that its become a gay rights issue. But I think its far more interesting that we, as a culture, seem to need issues to get all “outraged” about, which are usually of a much more benign nature than many other issues that are right in our faces, like the thousand of gun related killings every year in this crazy country.
Why anyone would bother to even listen to the content of the current political discourse is a mystery to me. I mean, I listen a little, but only in the same way that I observe the behavior of ants in an ant farm, not with any sense of attachment to what they are saying. It’s so impossibly artificial as to a caricature of addressing any real needs of the citizenry. Try it, the ant farm method that is, it really is a powerful perspective, and it will help preserve your sanity in the months ahead.
You didn’t answer the questions.
Why are you trying to stir up animosities with anti-white racial taunts?
You didn’t answer the questions.
Astute observation, Mr. Holmes. You have probably noticed a similar pattern in the past. When will you learn?
Revolution is what the word implies: a major up-ending that happens quickly.
There used to be what old-timers called common sense consideration for other people which seems to have transmogrified into this horrible leaching acid we call “political correctness” that channels thought and discourse away from reason, reality and sound judgement.
But as MLK said judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Fair, no?
So be careful Vlad. You say to “not to give in and give up our control of the levers of power”. I’ll say it again, you are an American and to be American is to be fair. When you say “our” you have to be scrupulously just. You expect fair and even treatment from other people regardless of their skin color and you have to mete out fair and even treatment in turn. You know this in your bones Vlad, that this is the only way forward and you know in your bones that any other way is the road to ruin.
When Romney lived in Mexico, before coming to the USA, how many wives did his grandfather have?
When Romney entered the USA, did he enter legally?
Has Romney ever shown his alien visa to prove he is in the USA legally?
As a Mormon, how many wives can Romney have? How many does he have? Would having more than one wife help or hinder in the White House?
Your misunderstanding is profoundly deep, and your lack of logic disturbing.
peace peaceniks
Rhino, lay off Vlad.
If you had read his posts carefully, you would know Vlad is not a white supremacist. Vlad is a white separtist. Vlad believes in treating Blacks civilly, cordially, and having as little contact as is possible.
^separatist^
Below I have linked an interesting retort to a NY Times article [the article is at the bottom of below link] regarding consumerism, quality construction, and lasting architectural permanence which are frequent CFN laments:
http://www.mail-archive.com/aesthetics-l@mh.databack.com/msg09506.html
^separatist^
In my own experience a lot of the atheist contingent is as blind as the most blind adherent to the literal word of ancient religious writings.
These atheists, as much as the people they love to laugh at, cannot get through their skulls that “religion” and “science” concern themselves with different areas of human experience and as such are not in conflict.
Do the writers of the texts of the Old Testament sound as if they were concerned with pure historical fact? Not to me. Religion in my view is all about how we live our lives and how we treat one another, an attempt to see beyond the fishbowl we’re living in. Science on the other hand is all about how the universe (ie the fishbowl) works.
I know what the atheists are going to say before they say it. They want “evidence” of the sky god.
OK so what constitutes this “evidence”? If it’s only what can be verfied under strictly controlled laboratory conditions then large areas of “science” couldn’t meet this standard.
So what evidence is there? How about the written accounts of experiences of individuals as found in certain of the religious works. Like on Mount Horeb for instance or on the road to Damascus.
Do I know what happened on Mt Horeb or to Saul on the road to Damascus? No I don’t. But neither do the atheists.
Bottom line is there are ideologues (atheists) whose inflexibility and closed mindedness make them impermeable to fact, reason, uncertainty and other points of view and therefore to open discussion.
You’re a slovenly lot, obese and ill mannered. You don’t stand a chance. Men in Europe feel the same way about American Women.
Oh so right. American women are about the most unattractive felines on the planet. So refreshing to see the real gorgeous thing all over most of the rest of the planet.
peace peaceniks
Forget God. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Or Saul for that matter. Keep that nonsense OUT of the government and OUT of the public school system. Can’t brainwash them too early, huh?
The Jews believe he existed. The hated that He and His religon took so many fine young Jews away from Judaism. The Talmud is full of invective against Him. It’s a huge part of Judaism.
Also there are a couple of classical references to Him by Roman authors of the time – Josephus is one. And although a Jew, historians are impressed by his modern tone and efforts to be objective.
The depth of your pettiness amazes me. What a mean spirit you have – covered over by politically correct Buddhism. You haven’t really looked at yourself despite countless hours of meditations, retreats etc.
Try backing up a bit John. I’m not sure exactly what you are arguing for either even though I think I’m on your wavelength.
I’m trying to preserve natural sexual reproduction and stop labs from making babies from artificial gametes, modified genes, same-sex couples, transgendered individuals, dead people, and non-existent people, with an “Egg and Sperm Law” that prohibits creating people by any means other than joining a man and a woman’s unmodified sperm and egg.
I am also trying to end same-sex marriage and preserve marriage as a man and a woman with the right to have sex and to use their own genes to have children, so that they are never forced to use donor genes.
To achieve this I proposed a compromise, that would enact those two laws along with a third law that gave federal recognition to same-sex couples in state Civil Unions that are defined as “marriage minus conception rights.”
Holy Shit!
Them hippies with the nature-religiousity is everywhere. Oh, the horror!
The latest from D.O. Are we seeing a pattern here? Us non-religionistas are all set to be persecuted, pilloried and purgified.
(Genuflect to sumpthin’, just to be safe!)
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/05/sustainable-living-as-religious.html#more
I guess this is where the present prophets are finding their audiences; hope the natives are peaceful…
;o)
I bet the less diverse army of 1945 would eat todays army for lunch in man on man combat. I would also bet that Chinese generals are laughing their asses of at the prospect of the military being a social experiment.
Thank you Asoka. But Rhino is right too – I don’t expect to get what I want in my lifetime. Barring an act of God/Nature, we are stuck with you for a long time if not forever.
He underestimates the amount of prejudice against Whites. We are already being persecuted and it can only get worse as our numbers decline. We have to organize like the Blacks and Hispanics if we are to have any civil rights at all.
You can’t be certain about the existence of people who allegedly lived 2,000 years ago. It comes down to reasoned judgement and assessing existing evidence and assessing the probabiliites.
For that matter prove to me that Julius Caesar existed or Columbus. Have you met them? No? Neither have I. Neither has anyone alive today.
So how do we know they lived? The answer is in weighing various forms of evidence that have come down to over the centuries like archeological remains, skeletal remains, documentary evidence, the accounts of others alive during that time, circumstantial evidence.
Tacitus 56AD-117AD (Roman historian) wrote in Annals: “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus… etc etc.
Flavius Josephus Born 37AD – circa 100AD also made mention of Jesus in his writings.
How do we know that these works aren’t forgeries? It’s a matter of judgement, it’s in the nature of what was said, how it was said, the circumstances of how the works were discovered. Many considerations.
Also there’s the controversial so-called Jesus family tomb at Talpiot. Make of it what you will:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Family_Tomb
As far as the separation of church and state goes, maybe my knowledge is faulty, but I’m under the impression that the intent of this separation is to keep government out of church affairs.
Are you a Catholic? I know they are very against all this stuff. I have mixed feelings, frankly. I think the natural family is best. Boys need a father to model himself on and girls need one too – the first man they will ever love.
But Whites are endangered and frankly I can’t condmen anything that gets our birth rate up. There was the Pioneer Fund in which White geniuses donated their sperm for Women who valued such high quality genes. Again not my ideal, but it is a crime for such genes not to continue. IQ is at least 60% genetic btw.
I find abortion horrifying. And the inventor of the Pill feels horrible about his role in ending Western Civilization. He just wanted to help couples!
I agree that Gays should have rights to inherit, tax breaks etc. But I don’t think they can provide a good family life. So I would agree with you though they are too powerful now to stop I fear. All the Elite have thrown their weight behind them. Why? Three reasons: many of the Elite are gay, they want to lower the population, and they want to crash society – as this will help do. No, I fear we are the ones who will have to retreat. The Churches should accept marriages as a private, non state affair. This would also protect men from the ruinous divorce laws and family courts that seek to help women ruin them.
You can’t even write or pronounce His Name properly – so great is your fear and blasphemy. You are Unclean.
He underestimates the amount of prejudice against Whites – Vlad
No actually I don’t. Least of all do I underestimate the prejudice against whites by whites.
I recently watched a show where celebs had their American roots unearthed via geneological research, looking through birth and marriage records and DNA tests. There were two celebs (well known actors and both of which looked white to me) on this particular show. One of which was unbelieving and really upset that her ancestry as shown via DNA evidence was predominately European white with a bit of other admixture. She was hoping for Amerindian ancestry (not the case) for whatever reason and when faced with the scientific evidence her reaction was “eeeeeuw”.
I just don’t get people like this. But this is Hollywood for you.
Must you always speak like you’re in a Cecil B. DeMille movie?
Flavius Josephus. Another one that had a “revelation”. Was it like the revelation that Bush Jr. had when he publicly announced that he “talked to God last night”? So while the rest of the civilised and semi-civilised world’s children are academically leap-frogging ours, we worry about who’s sodomising who and the name of the God they call out when they cum.
You’re ahead of me then. I didn’t know he had a revelation. But what about Tacitus? And then there’s the fact of the existence of the whole Christian religion. Did it have a founder? Did it have multiple founders? Yea or nay? Judge for yourself.
If you want to argue against the idiocy of tearing down the educational system then I’m with you there. There’s NO excuse.
I’ve seen with my own eyes in university (many years ago) Asians that far, far outclassed others simply because of the sheer quantity of knowledge firehosed into them in their earlier years in school. The rest of us came knee high in terms of mathematical knowledge, general knowledge, scientific knowledge. Didn’t have to be that way.
When Jim brought up the topic of utopian societies I thought about “Arcosanti”, an expermint in new urban living established during the 1970s in the high desert north of Pheonix, AZ by architect Paolo Soleri. A deciple of Frank Llyod Wright, he created the term “arcology” to describe his ideal of architecture combined with ecology. His plan was to build a city of 5000 residents living in perfect balance with the environment and create a model for future urban design. Over the past 40 years thousands haved moved to Arcosanti or taken internships there but most moved on. Today, there are about 60 permanent residents and the main source of income for the community is the production of decorative wind bells.
A haphazard collection of cubes and swooping concrete arcs whose purpose is ambiguous, it looks like new urbanism for dadaists or the remnants of the sets for “Logans Run” occupied by aging hippies. If Soleri’s scheme had come to fruition there would now be massive concentrically arranged concrete arc-shaped living and working stuctures – not particularly ecologigal if you consider the energy needed to make all that cement and truck out into the middle of the desert, but, probably no worse than the suburban sprawl that grew around Pheonix since the 70s.
Soleri retired recently and Arcosanti lingers on as a curiosity for tourists rather than a mecca for urban designers. Too bad, I’d love to see one of these high-concept communities succeed before the oil needed to build it runs out, despite JHK’s denoucement of such megastructures as unmaintainable in the future. Get some Facebook and Google billionaires to pool their wealth with another crazy visionary architect and maybe they could build something that would even please the hell out of 8man. Private enterprise just sent a rocket to the space station and there are plans for privately funded trips to the asteroid belt and Mars, so why not something equally pie-in-sky here on Earth?
The NY Times did a story on Arcosanti recently:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/garden/an-early-eco-city-faces-the-future.html?pagewanted=all
I’m replying to you, Rhino, to try to make sure you are thinking rationally. It’s really impossible to have a dialogue with someone who is thinking irrationally. So…
When you are talking about “religion”, I assume you’re talking about Christianity. What about Hinduism, with its many gods? Is that religion invalid, and if so, why? How do we know which god or gods are real?
If religion is all about how we live our lives and how we treat each other, why do we need a god in order to live well and treat everyone kindly? Aren’t we capable of doing this on our own?
Religion and science ARE in conflict because they involve themselves in all areas of human experience, including spirituality. Do you think that an atheist scientist who looks at the wide universe can’t feel a sense of spirituality, as do the religious? I can tell you that they do. It’s just that believers and scientists have different reasons for their spirituality.
Science and religion are at odds over evolution. Religion says God created the universe and all life. Scientists say the universe just happened and life evolved over a long time period. Is not this the same area of human experience – creation – and aren’t the 2 views in conflict?
My opinion is this: Science and religion are inherently at odds and will not ultimately co-exist. If our civilization collapses, religion will probably gain the upper hand and science will either disappear or be greatly diminished. If we save our civilization from self-destruction, then science will advance to the point where religion beoomes irrelevant. That’s just my opinion.
Most of the atheists I know don’t ridicule religious believers because they are humanists who think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and everyone should mind their own business. Maybe your experience of atheists is different.
When I think of diversity… Asoka
Nice try. Not when YOU think of diversity but rather the author of what you cut and pasted namely Clementine Lewis in her article in the Fort Hood Sentinel:
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/story2.php?id=6346
Also contained the Fort Hood article: 10 ways to celebrate diversity reproduced in part and perverted in Asoka’s post. Shame.
So given that in your apparent opinion I’m not thinking rationally a rational discussion is impossible. Right? So I won’t bother responding in any substantive way to your post. There would be no point. Right? Have a nice day.
Superman does a headstand
What ever happened to “Truth, Justice and the American Way?
Guess JHK’s new book should have an answer.
Seems like we were the winners of a world war that vanquished evil and then never won another war again.
Hmmmm. Guess we took in some of the bad guys and learned that war is a great profit machine for some.
may 2012–Enter a new theater–just like the others.
This morning on Morning Joe all attention was on Syria and how we’re going to need to do a humanitarian mission there. Joe Scarborough has been claiming that we should be getting out of Afghanistan and how war weary the American people are, but what’s that I hear in the background–the pounding of the drums of war.
Strike up the band, boys. Let’s play Wagner…
That’s right, after $trillions spent on 2 wars since 911, now we’re going to have to kill many more in the Mid East in order to save them.
The freedom fighter George W. has reared his little head up from obscurity recently and I couldn’t help but notice the praise he got for believing in spreading freedom in the world–just in time for this little opus.
It’s time to remake the middle east in our image for the corporations and flatten the world. Now for something completely different(not). Think the voters will notice?
Mr. Right Romney has the neocons backing him while the trilateral Zbigniew thinks it might not be a good idea.
Webster Tarpely makes another interesting parallel to Germany’s move to start the war with Poland in his interview on Tarpley .net
[The Houla Massacre: A War Provocation by the NATO Death Squads in the Tradition of Himmler’s Gleiwitz Operation of August 1939, Designed to Flip Eager Lion 2012 into Aggressive War Against Syria]
All I can glean from this is that we might just be entering into a new phase of the cold war. Can Russia and China keep blocking our next move.
Yeah, well I wouldn’t expect racist eugenicists to support my proposal. It is intended to stop neo-eugenics, which is morally repugnant for all the reasons racism is, and more, such as being unsustainable and wasteful at a time when we need to save money and resources for existing people, and it makes people into materialist products with no human dignity or equality or liberty.
No I’m not Catholic, they drive me crazy because they don’t actually want to prohibit the stuff they claim to be against. I’m a scientific determinist Jonathan Edwards Calvinist Protestant Creationist.
I never said that. I said I couldn’t have a dialogue with someone who is irrational. I never said you were. Don’t get so defensive – I’m sorry if you felt that way. I just want to see your response, that’s all.
‘thousand of gun related killings every year’..YES
20,000?
50,000 from vehicular s.
50,000 from painkillers.
Suicides = How many?
Another highly ambitious utopian community I heard about recently is Fordlandia. This was Henry Ford’s idea to plonk a small midwestern American company town into the middle of the Amazon rain forest and create a rubber plantation to supply his own raw material for tires. The British held a monopoly on rubber in the 1920s and Henry didn’t like being dependent upon outside suppliers. The plantation failed because growing rubber trees as a monocrop created an incubator for diseases that killed the trees.
But the town itself failed due to Ford’s attempt to impose his own conservative values on the locals who made up the majority of the population.
He thought he would improve their lives by forcing them to live just like his workers in Michigan, ie. adopting an American diet and giving up salsa for square dancing. There were several worker revolts against the regimented lifestyle before the whole enterprise was abandonned as a total loss.
NPR did story on a book about Fordlandia here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105068620
So typical, Bill. As time marches on, their position becomes less and less defensible. They hate running into people like me. I’m one of the atheists that DOES ridicule the “True Believers”. I say belief in a god is the single DUMBEST thing humans have ever done, and we’re still doing it. I’ll bet they don’t get the number of death threats that I get. From ALL faiths. Now that the “working for a living” model is going away, I wonder how much unemployment slack is being taken up by people employed in a “religious” capacity.
James,
Explain this please:
http://wjltevansville.com/kunstfest-kunstfest-kunstfest/
Kunstfest in the town New Harmony, Indiana, originally a religious commune settled in the early 19th century by followers of George Rapp. Money and marriage were banned and celibacy encouraged as puification for the imminent second coming of Christ.
Weren’t you just in Indiana? And what are you really up to on that farm of yours?
“And what are you really up to on that farm of yours?”
Weed.
Now that we’ve fought so many wars recently, do you think we have the will and ability to fight more? I know TPTB want to, but I wonder if the American public does.
My biggest concern is that one day soon we’ll wake up in the morning and find that our country had gone away in the night, taken over by a government which has decided it no longer has to pretend it’s a democracy. It can happen that quickly, like a sudden bank holiday.
Isn’t that how it always happens?
In times of old (when knights were bold) belief in some kind of God probably made sense given the state of mankind’s knowledge. Today, it’s an other story.
Imagine believing in a god watching over you, and then someone telling you that’s not true, and arguing this very logically. Say it ain’t so, Joe. You might not be able to face up to the idea; you might get very afraid thinking it could be true. In your fear you might respond like a typical human does when he’s afraid: agressively and violently. Better to keep your mouth shut and not provoke anyone.
Yeah, a lot of times. Think of September 1, 1939 or June 22, 1941, or November 22, 1963 as a few examples.
“Better to keep your mouth shut and not provoke anyone.”
LAST TRAIN LEAVING FOR ZAPFENDORF! ALL ABOARD!
Fuck ’em.
Bean,
The inverted totalitarianism is working very well for them still, but Dylan Ratigan said today that the Billionaires are getting the govt. to do nothing about any of the problems that ail this country and keep the money and resources flowing to them, instead.
He continued that our systems are unsustainable so they are doing this until this whole thing crashes.
Rhino, I’m sure Clinton didn’t really give a damn about reproductive rights but he did support them and veto anti-choice legislation.
I don’t care how a politician “feels”, I care what legislation s/he supports or opposes.
Bean
One more thing, I forgot to mention. When Cheney was interviewed a few years ago, it was said the American people didn’t want more war and he said….”So?”
That’s how they feel about the will of the people.
All they need us for is the show pony elections to prove to the world that we’re a democracy.
The way things are going we’re going to need the UN to monitor our elections.
They are playing us for suckers. Should we just sit back and let ourselves get repeatedly kicked in the face? Or should we go for the gusto and try to live it up until TSHTF? I don’t know about you, but I’m 67 years old, and I don’t hanker to save everything I can to hide somewhere and subsist on my supplies, all the while being afraid that someone will steal, take or confiscate everything I have when they find out I exist.
So the big asteroid is on a collision course with Earth and we all have a week to live. Do we dig a hole and hope we can survive, or do we party like hell, live it up and go out with a bang?
You live in NYC, and I live 10 miles outside Boston, not the ideal places to make a stand.
I’m surprised you agree with such a lame distinction. The reason an individual or a group wants to be separate/segregated from another is because they consider themselves “superior”. Put another way, Vlad does not want to soil and stain the purity of the white race with what he considers inferior stock. And no, this is not a issue of idiosyncratic variety; unless, of course you want to argue that people do not inherently covet “The Good” or that which is most beneficial for them.
Perhaps your Magnanimity Theatrics has short-circuited your powers of reason.
Bean,
I’m not so young anymore-I had a great childhood and good life. I can remember the many options we had to save and build money, leave jobs for better ones and make satisfying choices that led to better outcomes on all levels of life.
I feel sorry for the kids with huge debt leaving colleges only to either not find any jobs or having to work as unpaid interns.
–Hey that’s what the job CRE-A-TORS dreamed up.
When society can’t use it’s human resources, especially the young and educated, you know it’s over.
I do what I can to enjoy my life. That doesn’t mean I have to be clueless. If I’m on ground zero so be it.
You can’t even write or pronounce His Name properly – so great is your fear and blasphemy. You are Unclean.
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Vald, it’s so hard to take you seriously, I don’t even believe YOU take you seriously.
So? What your big idea – force Whites to breed with Black via Federal Decree? Whites who do so are spitting in the face of their ancestors and denying a future to their Race.
John Edwards and the Puritans considered themselves to be Israelites and thus vastly superior to the Indians. They were seen as demons or at best, Phillistines. Thus our Race was preserved on these shores – unlike the French to the North and the Spanish to the South. Only later when Christians began to try to actually live the Gospel did our Race come into danger. The mythic Judaism of the Puritans protected them as had the isolation of Europe in earlier centuries. Now there is nothing at all and Chrisitianity has no provision to protect us in the West.
The Orthodox have National Churches so that’s at least a start. Western Christianity is completely and mindlessly universal.
white race, black race, mixed race….
it’s all gone severely downhill in the U.S. and A.
very sad to see the end of a once fairly great nation.
in other news, plenty of nice places left to live.
do your own research, past national/cultural performance is not a guarantee of future results.
there’s a whole world of experiences waiting for you, go get ’em.
peace peaceniks
JHK wrote: “I dropped by a religious cult commune in the next town over on Saturday.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTOuo837nX0&feature=related
Fascinating article. Couple of quick observations.
1) Don’t knock yard sales (rummage sales, garage sales, whatever your area calls it). Amongst the junk and items that should have immediately gone into the trash are serious finds. I have procured wonderful garden tools, furniture, model train parts, and art supplies (most U.S.A. made).
2) I could go into a tirade about mainstream religion. Before you think of me as one of those hellbound atheists I am a licensed minister who works with a mainstream religion. Recently I visited a city that had members of a comunity where the women wore white head coverings, many of the men had beards, and the children were well-behaved. Before we all go ballistic that it is “cult-like” or lost in another century here are some additional characteristics: some of the men had the phone pieces hooked to their ears so not to miss an important call, children were drinking what use to be a normal-sized soda, a couple of the women wore jeans, and one of the men drove a very fine modern pick-up truck. Guess what? I think they have the right idea; they use what feels right for their lives but don’t force feed it to everyone else. Certain mainstream religions could take a lesson from this attitude.
Jim Jones: “American bananas are nothin like these. Mmmmm….Mmmm….Mmmm!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTOuo837nX0&feature=related
“Guess what? I think they have the right idea”
Guess what? They have the WRONG idea. How many people are waiting for The Rapture to wash all the sins away. I can see them hunkered down, fists clenched, eyes closed and grimacing mightily. When they open their eyes, guess what? You’re still here, idiot. When you strip away the robes, incense, and colorful elocation, we will do what we always have done. Rely on each other.
So what’s it to you? If you don’t wish to think of yourself as separate and distinct from blacks, what-have-you, then don’t, but mind your own business when others do. Don’t lead or follow, just get out of the way.
This blog is so full of truly old men set in their ways, and men who are old before their time, and lack the courage and the capacity to feel or believe anything but the half-truths that have been fed to them.
You’re simply too gutless to consider any other viewpoints because then you would have to admit that you were wrong for a large chunk of your lives.
You’re included in that CharlieTrots.
Hoosiers in action. I’m going there in a few days.
I’m so excited.
Very nice response, O3. Let me dissect it.
“You might want to consult wardoc on the utility of religion in times of life-or-death desperation. If your particular religion be based on life-taking, that might come in handy…” -ozone-
I’d like to hear from Wardoc on that question!
I know that men are men, and inherently weak in the face of severe stress. I suspect religion takes some of the rough edges off – but by no means does it take the greed and violence out of humans and the human experience.
That said, several of my forebears stood the absolute worst of life-or-death with their religion intact, vigorous, justified, and even glorified.
“If your religion is based on life-taking…”
-ozone-
Ozone, based on my own real world dealings with men and women who have killed their fellow humans for various reasons – I don’t think taking a human life is all that hard, nor does it require religion to justify it.
“I hadn’t thought much about it, but is there such a thing as neutral law enforcement?”
-ozone-
Ozone, there is supposed to be EXACTLY such a thing as neutral law enforcement. For the most part, professional law enforcement has worked very hard to ACTUALLY BE neutral, since the 1960’s.
That’s part of why they Zimmerman/Martin thing has the ability to spark some unexpected push-back among the LE community. If not the upcoming/potential Zimmerman riots, something eventually will spark push-back.
And as regards your link form the guy at the CA ag inspection station – – – Ozone, dude – those stations existed back in the very early ’60’s, because I went through them, then.
American society has always tended to follow the rules, at least since 1865, your smart-ass in CA with the video camera notwithstanding.
Maybe the growing wave of non-assimilating Muslims, Mexicans, Somalis, and others is all about God turning all – ALL – of us back into Rebels – yet again.
Since 1863 was so pleasant, and worked out so well, and all.
LL said “Even if you can conceive, your child is more likely to have crippling defects that don’t prevent him from being born, just visit him with terrible health and developmental problems- look at Karen Santorum and her unfortunate 3-year old child with Trisomy 18, which happens mostly to babies born of older mothers. ”
Lets not get too abstract. The “increased risk” doubles or triples- to 2 or 3 in 10,000. Still great odds. And Mrs. Santorum could have easily screened for trisomy, but she was probably of the mind to have the thing regardless, after all theres nothing ‘unfortunate’ about a “blessing”.
Older moms have a lot more to offer, generally.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/is-root-of-evil-psychopathic-mind.html
A simple MRI scan could detect Psychopathology and thus enable us to screen psychopaths out of positions of power.
See how well Blacks will respect our rights once we are a minority.
http://amren.com/news/2012/05/superintendent-school-board-totally-out-of-control/
“So given that in your apparent opinion I’m not thinking rationally a rational discussion is impossible. ” -rhino, to btb
Nice answer, Rhino. Bill phrased the question so that he could not POSSIBLY be wrong. To even engage him about spirituality proves me irrational.
Then he will invoke the “one response rule.”(tm BTB)
Thus will he win all debates in his own mind, without saying a word.
That Demitri Orlov link that Ozone posted is well worth a read, Bill et al. Religion is out there waiting for us humans, no matter how “rational” we try to pretend we always are.
For my own part, I haven’t been in a kill-zone, like wardoc. And I don’t want to go.
But I caught the tail-end of my grandparent’s generation’s lives. They wrested a living out of the hard Georgia clay. They accepted the privations and heartbreaks. They worked together as a community to overcome the worst.
They could not have done it.
They would not have been able to do it –
Without the community of Faith, provided by the little Baptist Church, just up the road, within walking distance of their lives and farms.
Those who arrogantly write off Faith, sow the wind.
I fear we may all soon reap the whirlwind.
Not surprisingly, you completely miss the point. The point being that Vlad is not espousing separatism, but supremacy – even if he seeks to obfuscate his true belief . And by the way – since you seem to have a problem comprehending the written word – I was not expressing a moral opinion regarding anyone’s right to consider themselves superior.
After all, I’m pretty sure – from the looks of your tepid posts – that I’m quite superior to you and not by a little bit.
And one more thing Tark. Drop the macho bravado – “because I can guarantee you, you sonofawhore, that you couldn’t back it up in person ” – as it only solidifies the perception that you’re a dumb ass and a punk.
In fact, you – none of us – have any good idea who their calling a “sonofawhore”. You just might be yelping at a Pa Qua adept who is expert at snapping necks or a BJJ cracker who will choke you out with a smile.
“Older moms have a lot more to offer, generally.”
Except viable ovum. I caught my sperm out panhandling in a wheelchair. Fuckin’ fakes.
Don’t……..ask me how I know this.
LL also bleated “Just as bad, your children might not get to even have you around. Your children not only need you when they’re still children, but when they’re having their own children and getting started on adult life. For this reason, it is not good for either women or men over the age of 40 to breed.”
See, you’re beating the drumbeat of fear that has women all over this great land ready and willing to go full term with the accidental pregnancy regardless of the sperm source. Because thats the net effect. The idea that 40 is too old is not supportable.
A better metric is overall health. Life expectancy is marching into the 80s. Grandma and Grandpa are still going to be around.
The crisis right now is the fact DIVORCE, never getting married in the first place, choosing a poor mate, choosing to go full term before maturity, being an unhealthy wankette before, during, and after pregnancy, and finally, living in a society which has no worthwhile traditions.
“I would want my kids to grow up with both their dad and their mom, and I’d like any grandchildren to have Grandma and Grandpa. ”
So have some fucking kids, you’re only 45 lady.
I suppose 45 might be pushing it. But who knows. A combination of cloning technology and stem cells.
Perhaps the best course of action is cryopreservation of embryos when a chick is still a chicklet.
Can’t you just admit that the logical impetus for white separatism is actually a belief in supremacy? And I have to say, how disappointing that you of all people – so previously honest and open regarding your beliefs – have resorted to peeking around some false distinction in order to compassionate the true jagged edges of your racist inclinations.
“I suppose 45 might be pushing it.”
So. You’re 45 and you have a new born autistic boy. I hope you have been taking good care of yourself. You’re going to need the energy.
Given the state of our health care system, are you ready to roll the dice?
Or perhaps Mr. PureEggandSperm (John Howard) would like to interject here.
“Those who arrogantly write off Faith, sow the wind.”
I have faith in the Dodgers. Does that count?
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The Poles have invaded!!
“I have faith in the Dodgers. Does that count?”
-x-
X, as long as the power stays on and the food trucks keep running – I think an American can have Faith in Almost Anything, and not be proven wrong.
When those two conditions are no longer met –
You might want to have Faith in Something More Substantial.
Lest ye die, and not live.
“Ozone, there is supposed to be EXACTLY such a thing as neutral law enforcement.”
This reminds me of a recent Assokie post where he/she lamented about the state of the Afghanistan police (that the US is paying a buttload of money for). Apparently, they are involved in drug dealing, prostitution, extortion, etc.
Well DUH! Whose cops aren’t?
“You might want to have Faith in Something More Substantial.”
All right, all right…goddamn it.
Sigh…
I have faith in the Yankees.
There. I said it.
Bastard.
This is not my understanding of Vlad’s position. Perhaps you are right and I am wrong. Here is my understanding: Vlad says whites are superior to Blacks but inferior to Asians (according to what he says about IQ scores), but he doesn’t want to mix with either group. He doesn’t want race mixing period, whether with inferior or superior groups.
That is why I say Vlad is a white separatist, not a white supremacist. Either way he is a self-admitted racist. As Vlad retorts: “You say that as if it’s a bad thing.”
I am a racist also and not proud of it. I do say it as if it’s a bad thing and I continue to work on my attitudes toward whites in general. Most whites are decent people, just like most people of all races are.
I do not feel a need to work on my attitude toward those morally-challenged whites who dropped atomic bombs on civilian populations.
I do not feel a need to work on my attitude toward those morally-challenged whites who outright excuse, or try to muddy the issue with excuses, when it comes to mass murder of innocents.
I don’t think my condemnation of those particular whites that makes me a racist. That makes me human.
But while Cook’s secrecy about product development is in keeping with the path laid out by his predecessor, the late Steve Jobs, he did make one notable divergence from that legacy, saying Apple would be more transparent than in the past about issues related to social change, including labor rights in China, for which Apple has faced ongoing scrutiny.
Cook also said he hoped more components for Apple products would be made in the USA
I feel a need to say something about my unusual silence on the God talk discussion above.
Whether or not God or Jesus exists, whether or not someone believes in their existence, is really of little importance.
That is why I’m am not arguing for or against one side or the other. It just doesn’t matter.
God is irrelevant, a completely unnecessary hypothesis.
‘The reason an individual or a group wants to be separate/segregated from another is because they consider themselves “superior”.’
[WHAT GROUP CONSIDERS THEMSELVES INFERIOR?]
Joiners find what they think superior and, ergo, join.
Say whatever you please here. Dont let some nameless, faceless person shout you down.
Eve Longoria found her own Minority Status challenged, as it was a minority [30%] of her DNA.
Maybe she wont be on Obamas brown team.
See TakiMag for more info.
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Anybody watch ‘Hatfields & McCoys’ on the history Channel, a story of long ago on the Kentucky-W Virginia border, when Colts and Winchesters ruled the day, and Whitey still had a pair …
–WSP7
“…and Whitey still had a pair …”
Had a pair of what? Brain cells?
A link, a link, link-link-link, “A” link.
403 ban imminent
lINK
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Not necessary. I’ll ban myself.
Say “Good Night”, Dick.
spam avoidance words here
http://beliefinunseen.blogspot.com/2008/01/patience-is-mother-of-all-virtues.html
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Call me Richard, if you please.
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Bustin, babe, I’m glad you think I’m only 45. Wish I were.
But I never wanted kids and had my tubes tied at 28. Best decision I ever made. Saved me a lot of worry and hassle in subsequent years and I never regretted it for one moment. By your late 20s, you usually know whether you want children or not, and I had decided against it for many reasons, the chief of which is that I am a selfish, self-indulgent, self-protective, risk-averse, self-absorbed bitch who likes to sleep late in the mornings and spend lazy days buried in a book or music.
I’m merely stating that if you want children, it’s best to do it at the optimal time. Yes, plenty of women have children into their 40s, but it is much more difficult and requires a lot more rest and medical care. According to my doctor, nearly every woman who carries a child over age 40 develops pregnancy-onset diabetes. And while lifespans may be longer than in the past, we have no assurance that they will continue to be so, especially in an age of resource depletion with its attendant wide-spread poverty and loss of the comforts and medical care that have made these long lifespans possible.
In fact, it appears to me that we also live in the era of Peak Lifespans, and when we have the benefit of the rearview mirror, we will see that the generation born between 1900 and 1920 (my grandparents’ generation) will have been the longest-lived ever, with each successor generation dying sooner.
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Are you a replicant? I just Remembered!
Do I or do I not think IQ is important? And that the IQ tests can measure this important quality? I do, yes? So for the millionth time (try to retain it this time, try, try, try), I admit that East Asians score higher and that the Ashkenazi Jews score higher still. So how can I be a stone cold Supremacist?
A man gets old when you stops learning. He stops learning when he stops being interested in new things. Can you get out of your head and try to understand something new? Our paradigm is a sophisticated one – more than your fantasy of equality, easily so. And yes, some WN’s have fantasies about ruling everyone or wiping everyone out. Very hubristic, ugly, immmoral, impractical, and dangerous – just confirming the truth of the propaganda about us.
Once you get it, you may find value in it. Most of the World thinks like I do at best – or worse, as you think I think – raw ethnic supremacism. In any case, Whites are hardly the only ones by a long shot. That’s a big liberal lie. If you learn the paradigm you’ll see with new eyes and realize that Whites are the least racist people on Earth. Stupidly so, suididely so.
From another angle: you are being very objective and idealistic though you don’t know it and probably have an aversion to it. Isn’t the best country on Earth your own? That’s how most people think – even if they know it’s not objectively true. You have lost the subjective. You think yourself superior to people who are just being natural – many of whom are capable of objectivity but aren’t stuck there like you. Same thing with race – my race is the best because it’s mine. Simple, natural, subjective – and important for these reasons. Objectively true? Not in terms of IQ obviously. But in other ways, we are superb. But what’s the sense of talking about this subject if you can’t get the preliminary distinctions? Or even trust us enough to try and understand – which means being humble enough to admit you may have been wrong in jumping to false conclusions?
The Subjective makes a shadowy appearance though when people invert the “best” and claim America is the worst country on Earth. That’s just as subjective but no longer healthy. Nor is it true as Rhino always points out. Obviously though, we are getting worse rapidly – and neither the protestors nor the blind patriots are helping but rather only reinforcing each other’s conditioning.
You are fighting against history and have already lost. The future is neither Black nor white … the future belongs to non-white and non-black peoples.
“perhaps your Magnanimity Theatrics has short-circuited your powers of reason”
GUFFAW!!! Wow! …and we have a winner…! this^ stands as the absolute pinnacle of the wit and wither that i have stuck around to witness…well done, sir; my hat must be considered doffed in appreciation and respect…and if we were all at a party or something, i d probably bow and scrape a little, too
How about just giving us all some “unusual silence”?
About everything?
You’re absolutely right that your opinion doesn’t matter.
Or do I have to go upside your head again?…
Mrs. Soake
he s yelping at a third- degree black belt in vulcan gungfu. Who has trained in MMA since ’90, starting with terrell williams- who was university of missouri at columbia’s first black all-american wrestler; he was a golden gloves boxer; and is an nth degree black belt in karate…one of the pioneers of MMA in the FUS…so i don t give a flying fuck in a windstorm what the cocksmoker says; if we WERE all at that party, i d have long ago frog-marched him out the side door and, to borrow an expression from my favorite author, read to him from the book- while i scrubbed the deck with him, so to speak…ya know…
Sadly,you are probably right.
Thanks for continuing to make CFN all about Asoka. Would you prefer I just leave CFN and never post again? Why or why not?
I know I am right.
The difference between me and Vlad is that I am happy to live among brown, red, and yellow peoples whereas Vlad wants his own fantastic (in the worst sense of the word) white nation. I can really relate to Welles’ posts about Brazil and the beauty of so many shades of brown making black/white rivalry irrelevant, quaint, and idiotic.
I am glad you have crystal balls, Sri Asoka.
Continue to post, under your several ‘handles’. Cheers!!!
Think of the billions of dollars wasted promoting the Myth of Equality. Bell Curve noted this in talking about Govt enforced quotas and AA.
Do you Sir Vlad own a business?
I think I saw something posted elsewhere that you did?
Just wondering as it would make BS quote untrue.
[‘Moreover, my post about Vlad’s economic station in life was not a put down, but a question based on his own declarations of a lowly economic status.’]
I can relate to Vlads view of less diverse societies. I can see beauty in the orderly societies of say japan or norway. nevertheless, your brown world is the future if we survive. i think the long emergency will see enclaves of
different races, religious groups and other like minded groups form to weather the coming troubles. some will get along with each other some will not. the geographic break up of the u.s. is also a posibility/ probability.
Even for thoughs who think diversity is a good thing, keep in mind that you can get too much of a good thing. Including diversity, democracy and capitalism.
Namasté, antisoka.
I am a racist also and not proud of it. – asoka
You have a lot to not be proud of.
You cling to this imbecilic screed about morally challenged whites. Yet not a peep about horrors inflicted by people of other races. Not a peep about Japanese atrocities inflicted on the peoples they conquered in the 1930s/1940s, the millions the Japanese army killed, no thundering denunciations of Mao for the millions his rotten regime killed. I could go on and on.
You still haven’t told us what you would have done had you had been in Harry Truman’s shoes.
Should we conclude therefore that you are a poster boy for the much talked about degradation of American educational standards ie the apparent inability to read, the apparent inability to analyze, the apparent inability or maybe unwillingness to dispassionately examine varying types of evidence, varying trains of thought, to apply reasoned and reasonable judgement?
And then there’s the apparently mindless parrotting of stale, decades old talking points (still very much in fashion on college campuses) which during the Cold War so delighted the murderers in the Kremlin and Beijing who thought of these parrots as nothing more than useful idiots. Is that you Asoka?
Could it be that you have no real idea of what went on in WW2, no real idea of what events led up to the dropping of the atom bombs, no real idea of what possible courses of action Truman might have taken (even after I suggested several to you)? Could it be that you’re just a blind ideologue?
Hey, maybe I get my crack at immortality.
I was thinking about how mankind’s food supply is produced by fossil fuels and how most of the human race will die off once fossil fuels become scarce, because the amount of food that can be produced sustainably will prove to be only a fraction of what is needed to feed the current global population.
It occurred to me that a word that defines modern man in terms of his diet:
oilivore
So all that crap about diversity was just Marxist trickery then? People you’ve been played.
Oh and if you believe in Brotherhood, why the rush to judgement against Zimmerman in favor of Treyvon? Seems like ethnic animosity to me. Is the discipline of ahimsa only for Whites then? And Blacks can do whatever they want – and get way with it by calling their victims “White”? And how does that lead to the Brotherhood you claim you want?
And for all you who love Hispanics, how do you like the deafening silence on their part? Nice how they throw their own to the wolves for the sake of Political Correctness. But make no mistake, they intend to take the Southwest and as much of America as we are weak enought to give them. And Blacks will get crushed in the process. It’s already started if you care to look.
Check out Ward Kendall’s “Hold Back the Day”. Science Fiction about a world where Asoka and his Kind have triumphed and everyone is officially equal – but Whites are treated as scum and almost extinct. A few Whites seek Freedom by reviving the old technology and leaving Earth. I wont ruin it for you by going on.
What is going on is genocide by the U.N’s definition. Needless to say, they don’t give a shit. We are on our own and most of what we have to do in the next few decades will be futile objectively speaking. The real purpose will be to prove to the Unawakened that we have lost our rights and soon to lose our existence. Once that is accomplished, perhaps we can make a strike for Freedom – which is never granted but taken.
No I’m poor as a church mouse. Let’s not save Buck and Dale from hating on me because of it despite their concern for the poor. Or is their concern only for the non White poor? And if so, why?
I have some assets: house, bank account etc. But the steet looms unless I begin to generate some cash flow.
read hold back this day on kindle. very interesting.
I guess self inflicted genocide does not count at the u.n.
You still haven’t told us what you would have done had you had been in Harry Truman’s shoes.
Yes, I did, weeks ago… and I was very specific.
Apparently you didn’t like my answer, so you disregarded it. That’s OK, we are not going to agree, and I’m fine with that.
You earn your own karma and live with the consequences.
Look at this country now at Ponzi’s End, what the “greatest generation” made possible by murdering innocents in Japanese cities.
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Thanx, JK reader Laura Louzader (see reader’s comment above @11:18am this morning), I usually read both Jim’s rants and also Jim’s readers’ comments, and found yours to be particularly well written and interesting. Keep it up!
Thanx to you, too, Jim. As (at least)one critic already has suggested, pls avoid the prescriptive, throttle your messianism, and just keep plying us with your really good cultural descriptives, which I always find to be deadly & point-on.
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Krugman call for a fake alien invasion to boost federal spending. This is the guy people look to for answers… Is it any wonder that we are in trouble?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/26/krugman-scientists-should-falsely-predict-alien-invasion-so-governmen
“self-inflicted”
LOL!
You guys are hilarious.
People of different races are attracted to each other, fall in love, and get married, live together happily… naturally, spontaneously, growing together as human beings. This happens all over the world. Easy peasy.
And you characterize this effortless disappearance of whites as “self-inflicted genocide”?
Well, that’s one way to describe it. But there’s nothing nefarious or sad about it.
Does anyone here know how this guy/gal does this?
Does he have ‘great pc skills’?
Do they actually create new accounts [even several times a day]? How does this happen?
Its like litter on the street!
This may sound crazee but buck IS EVEN MORE A HOMOPHOBE THAN YOU!
The last comment I made was my swan song, because I DON’T care about this issue as much as you people do. Other more specific things are more important. I’m not terrified of things falling apart, it would be a relief… But since your little admirer brought me back..
Would you like to see how fast you might be before I put a bullet in your head? Or maybe a huge knife in your gut?
I know your fantasies lead you to this Mr. Mitty, but; who knows, you might be in the MMA or something similar. Those types of things are usually full of lowlifes, twists, and ex-military sadists.
Would you like to try your hand when there are no rules?
And look what Black Rwandans did in six months will just pangas and cleavers. Imagine what they would do with access to advanced technology? Thank God the South African Scientists saw the writing on the wall and dismantled South Africa’s nuclear program before the Blacks assumed power.
The world owes them a debt of gratitude.
I’m a Klingon Judo-K’lek adept, BTW.
Thank God the South African Scientists saw the writing on the wall and dismantled South Africa’s nuclear program before the Blacks assumed power.
I am in 100% agreement with you, Vlad.
I don’t want ANYONE to have nuclear weapons, Black, white, yellow, brown, etc. The world will be a safer place when we have universal nuclear disarmament.
I thank those white South African scientists for dismantling the nuclear weapons program.
How so? Because he yells at you about being an Anti-Semite?
Note: I’m not homophobic – or afraid of individual homosexuals per se. I fear what happens when they have power as Homosexuals.
Oh snap! as Charlie’s boyfriend Turk likes to say. I thought this guy was a kid because he likes to write with no caps or grammar, even though it’s more of a girl thing. Amazingly he’s a middle age “man”.
I fear what happens when they have power as Homosexuals.
Like what, specifically, are you afraid of when homosexuals have power? Aesthetic concerns?
“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace, and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies, all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.”
– Abraham Lincoln
That’s right Buck: one drop makes you Black. And as Tark says, what’s it to you? We know the real enemy are Whites like you and not the Blacks themselves. On their own, they can hardly tie their own shoes.
You have decided to commit racial suicide and you hate us for not going along with it. So go and mix as much as you like – it only helps us.
Persecution as per the Catholic Seminaries in terms of sexual harrassment becoming hatred with continued refusal.
Read “After the Ball” the Gay propectus. They plan to change everything including our very identities. By no means do they intend to mind their own business. Their agenda fits in nicely with Marxism so the dirty snowball, the grievance coalition, has gottten even bigger.
Read the amazing Harry Hay of the Mattachine Society, an early Gay Group. He spoke of a new kind of spirituality in which all differences are erased – including “gender” (their word). And you think they wont use public funds to do it? Sweden started a program of giving boys girls names in school. Alot of this kind of thing is tried out there first…
We know the real enemy are Whites like you and not the Blacks themselves. On their own, they can hardly tie their own shoes.
We have white people working for us. One of them, a Swiss engineer, invented velcro. Now we don’t have to tie our shoes.
Harry Hay spoke of a new kind of spirituality in which all differences are erased – including “gender”
“New”? Try thousands of years old: Advaita Vedanta. No one is essentially male or female. We are both. You have to get beyond your biology.
All forms, male and female, are but different forms of the impersonal Absolute, Brahman, which is of neuter gender and can never be defined.
TAT TVAM ASI
It is with no small amusement that I note that when a smart guy like our JHK needs quality work done he turns to a group of white sox wearing Evangelicals in preference to the multicultural lot at the temp agencies. What happened to “work Americans don’t want to do”, and “better faster workers”?
Some geniuses are finally figuring out that when a group of speed merchants build a Mcmansion lickety-split in two weeks flat, that same edifice will begin to fall apart two months after the buyer moves in.
About gender roles, I don’t think either JHK himself or many posters on this board have quite thought that one through.
In the first place, in most ‘traditional’ communities (for want of a better word), marriage is for life. No turning in the older model for a shiny new trophy, and no running off to the big city to find yourself while the kids raise themselves.
Secondly, the man may be “head of the house”, but in most such marriages that I have known, including my parents, the wife runs the house AND the household budget. What that can mean, among other things, is that you eat what you get fed, which is not going to be alternating steak, burgers and pizza. It can also mean, that if she thinks the utility bills are too high, the air conditioning, lights and even heat get turned OFF unless absolutely necessary to preserve life or eyesight.
Furthermore, there is very little privacy in traditional communities. Knock your wife around, or even use some abusive language; the church elders will call on you and your boss or customers will hear of it.
For my part, I am fed up with being threatened with WTSHTF everything will fall apart so you single females had better find a man to protect you on whatever terms you can get. Maybe some of us would rather be dead than have to listen to ignorant and predjudiced rants 24/7 and be subjected to screaming talk radio and the Fox Noise network. Obese and slovenly? Look who is talking! Ill-mannered? Most of us women can do manners, how ever do you think we manage to stay employed for years on end?
Thunder on the Right: Obama has pulled out of the coming Democratic Fiasco in Wisconsin in which Scott Walker retains his position. Up to a week ago, Debbie “Blabber Mouth” Schultz was sayin that the recall was a dress rehearsal for the Obama/Romney fight in November.
Huh? Do your really not see the difference? Advaita never tried to alter the fundamental nature of Earthly Life – the dualities of male/female, good/evil, high/low. Only weirdo gnostics ever tried to deny all this by either extreme asceticism or indulgence. Or the special province of Gnosticism: both of these at different times. The Gays focus on the indulgence – obviously! Fucking everything that moves is their message to others. “How do you know you’re heterosexual?” Meanwhile, they don’t force themselves to try women.
Read Krisna’s instructions in Bhagavad Gita and Shrimad Bhagavatam again. “These distinctions are not arbitrary, but made by Me.”
Yes modern women don’t want to cook and think of their husbands as dogs to be trained.
We reject modern women and their lousy fast food cooking, petty office politics, and attempts to dominate the home.
You are Married to Uncle Samuel. But he’s old and sick. It may be later than you know.
The Nanny State makes it very difficult to fire women and minorities – especially in Goverment where these creatures especially proliferate. You can “do” manners? What a crude ill mannered way of putting it!
“Do they actually create new accounts [even several times a day]? How does this happen?
Its like litter on the street!”
-antisoak, to Tegmark and/or The Spammer-
AnitS, I hate to have to tell you – but it’s not all that hard to create new screennames and then copy/paste gibberish in various languages.
AnitS, odio tener que decir – pero no es tan difícil crear nuevos screennames y luego copiar / pegar un galimatías en varios idiomas.
??AnitS????? – ???????????screennames?????/????????????
Best regards,
p2c
more later, under my one and only “regular” handle.
P2C….’but it’s not all that hard to create new screennames’, Duh, yes, I know, BUT DO THOSE NAMES NEED EMAIL ACCOUNTS TO VERIFY?
Is the Chinese junk from a bot? Or a body with hands?
The others I didnt save, but this one I did:
‘Hey jism breath, nobody cares about your right-wing spam mail.’
And Kyoostik noted BS resorts to ‘homophobic slurs’ [that may not be the exact wording].
Kyoostik pointed it out.
Hidey ho, Clusterfuckers!
Just stopping by to put you on the trail of some fresh photos from Small Batch Garden – my blog, my business, and now my homestead. A little cobbing, some herbalism, mountain views, and 12 watts of affluence…
http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2012/05/going-to-ground.html
Cheers, mates. Hope to be back to more regular CFN participation soon, and if you read my blog post you’ll know why.
Tripp out.
Nastarana, you put the gender struggle in the bag.
A lot of men posting on this blog, and the blogmeister himself, are waiting with baited breath for TSTHTF so they can re-instate old dominator-model gender roles.
I hear the threats loud and clear. What will happen to me, a middle-aged single female with no physical strength whatsoever and the worst feet you can have and still walk? Shouldn’t I just grab the first plausible man I meet who’ll have me and get with the program while I still look OK?
I’ll cope. Women have always coped. While all the lemmings are “heading for the hills” and running out to tiny hamlets and rural neo-feudal communes, they will be followed by hordes of parasites and predators from the cities, and they’ll make great targets sitting out there in their little communes and lone farms. I really do hope that they are armed to the teeth and have their little private militias well trained and organized, because they will need them. I really wouldn’t want to be in any of these places, isolated and reduced to subsistence levels of resources and skills, but very visible and vulnerable to the hordes of thousands of desperate, hungry people who will be headed their way.
Meanwhile, I’ll just hunker down and lay very low. Hide in plain sight. Find the other stragglers one by one, so we can trade goods and skills. I know every single nook and cranny in this vast, sprawling city. I know my way through the subway tunnels and the freight tunnels, too. I have the means to treat water from the lake a block away from my place.I know all the semi-rural areas right here in the city, where there one inhabited street for three miles- we actually have places like this in Chicago. I know where all the vacant buildings are and where you can stake out little pockets for secret stashes, where you can forage for all kinds of wild edibles. There would be, in such an extreme pass as some CFN people visualize, a lot of vacant buildings. I’ve already mentally staked out all the decent apartment buildings in off-the-beaten-path locations. Forget about “bugging out”- I prefer to “bug in” to any one of about two dozen locations I have located in this town that close to fresh water and hidden in plain sight and I’m always alert for more. I’m not strong and I can’t even fight off other women, but I’m agile, flexible, know how to dress warm and stay warm, and where to forage not only for edibles but for supplies. You wouldn’t believe how many forgotten and neglected resources there are in any large city, even a place like Detroit or Cleveland; places where you can scrounge medical supplies, liquor, clothes, furniture, housewares, building materials, that people will either sell you for nearly nothing or give you.
In the highly improbable event that this country melts down into lunacy and savagery coast-to-coast, I give myself and my family no worse chances than the people who have their bug out shelters and rural communes all prepared. That is to say, we’re all toast no matter what we do, and I’d just as soon suffer and die in familiar surroundings, with the urban environment that has succored me and made my life so comfortable for a half century.I have the means and supplies necessary to shorten my suffering and go down with dignity should it ever come to that. Anyone who seriously believes that they can make it living a pre-tech lifestyle in a rural keep, in competition with tens of millions of other people thinking exactly like them and competing viciously for what remains here in the way of arable land, forests for firewood, and other resources we started to run short of by 1850 and whose depletion forced us to resort to fossil fuels to begin with, is highly delusional. I wish you all the luck in the world, but I’ll stay right where I am and how I am, thanks.
Good points Laura.
I guess this has occurred to me before but as I think more about it it is a bit odd but I think probably quite true. Kunstler has way too rosy an outlook about the future.
However, I should caveat that and make clear that I believe he sees the unraveling of society occurring on a lot quicker timetable than I do.
Probably a good example of how dystopians need to be careful about their timetables is Malthus. He is generally discredited by the entire establishment, not just cornucopianists, by the fact that overpopulation-caused collapse of mankind has not yet occurred. To be honest I only know his theories anecdotally so I don’t know whether he blew it as far as laying out a timetable, but I do not have the impression he made heavy disclaimers as to the prospect that the collapse he predicted might not come for hundreds of years.
And human ingenuity has allowed us to expand the human population far beyond what another species would have experienced in similar circumstances. Which to the cornucopianist shows that there are no resource limits anywhere on the horizon, once one runs out we just come up with a better one. To a neo Malthusian such as myself, it simply means we have been clever enough to reach an even more severe state of overpopulation than another species could have experienced and thus when the bubble bursts the collapse will be all the more dramatic.
But don’t forget the timetable. We’re not out of fossil fuels yet. While I am a firm believer in Peak Oil, I do cringe when I read commentary by peak oilers who seem to want to interpret every single fact regarding fossil fuels in the most pessimistic light. That’s not what someone does who is after the truth.
(actually, that is Kunstler’s biggest problem as well, he is so anxious to “get on with it” as far as the coming collapse which I agree with him is coming, that he interprets all events as providing evidence for the downfall occurring at the earliest possible moment.
It seems to me the evidence is pretty substantial that the unconventional natural gas sources now accessible in the US ARE indeed substantial. One hundred years supply? No, I doubt that, but 20 or 40 I do believe is extremely likely.
“Unfortunately” (from the perspective of a rubber necker eager to witness one of the greatest dramas in the history of the Earth, the global version of a 102 car pileup on the I-405), the collapse is not going to come within my lifetime, nor Kunstler’s, nor Laura’s, nor that of most of the people on this thread.
Are you really going to hide behind “The Bell Curve”? But to answer your question it’s because you value certain aspects of different cultures more than others. Which is akin to admitting that there are different types of intelligence, and some which are not yet capable of being objectively measured.
For example: The Chinese – those whom you clain have superior intelligence in general – at one time used ground up rhinoceros horn to treat impotence. But now Viagra is huge in China and the Rhino horn business is as flaccid the dysfunction it was supposed to inflate. Obviously the Chinese now have a deep appreciation for Western allopathic medicine. Moreover, one rap against Asian culture is that it is not nearly as innovative as Western culture- in general. And yet, who would accuse the Chinese of having an inferiority complex? Certainly not you. In fact, you make a claim for the opposite. But how can that be given that the Chinese obvioulsy covet many aspects of Western culture, erspecially those of an advanced technological nature? Because, overall, they place greater value on other aspects of their own culture such as tradition, geneology, lineage, homogenity, etc? And because they’re good at copying, especially advanced Western technology? Or as some Chinese dersively mention, Japanese and Korean martial arts are derivatives of Chinese martial innovation.
Beyond that, groups segregate themselves based on notions of superiority – again, the values and characteristics most highly prized by any given group- so why pretend otherwise?
Deep down I suspect you would admit to placing more value on western technological prowess than any supposed IQ differences between the races. Undoubtedly you consider Viagra superior to Rhino horn – what rational man wouldn’t? – thus acknowledging the multiple manifestations of different types of intelligence.
But tell us Vlad, what type of intelligence is most superior? Is it Miles Davis on an improvising Friday night or Ludwig Von Rocket Scientist on a somber Tuesday morning?
Laura, did you notice that Vlad is scared of homosexuals in power because they might “force themselves” on him and “not take no for an answer.”
LOL!
Vlad probably dresses provocatively. He is just asking for it. When Vlad says “no” he probably doesn’t really mean “no” … etc.
Newsflash: Vlad has just described the history of the heterosexual patriarchy in power now.
Vlad is scared the tables may be turned on him, but he doesn’t give a damn about male violence against women.
Do you have a Business? What kind?
re:
For example: The Chinese – those whom you [clain]have superior intelligence in general – at one time used ground up rhinoceros horn to treat impotence
Dimwit, they still do. Check the Graham Parker song
[‘tearing the horn off the rino tonite, so some fat sheik can ## all nite’].
NOW THEY USE GROUND UP BABIES, AND SELL THE ‘VIGOR PILLS’ IN KOREA, OR THEY TRIED.
Doubt me? google ‘dead babies turned to vigor pills’.
Cheers.
I’m not God nor do I consider myself to be – unlike Liberals. Our viewpoint is what’s natural and good for us. Blacks have their own viewpoint and values. Putting us together is quite an awkward mix since our values are quite different -and they are in our society which needs our values and skill set. Quite a problem.
I prefer the scientist, and so does our society. Africans didn’t have any Brass or any methods of sound amplification, so Miles Davis was piggybacking on us. Btw, I like some jazz and acknowledge Black genius in this and otheer kinds of music. But if I had to choose, I would choose our ways and our genetics – and have them gone as they are a threat to these. If they must stay, it’s as guests. We must retain dominance if America is going to continue.
The Chinese have many qualities we don’t have as much of. And one of them is adaptability. The rhino horn is rare and expensive. It might well do what they say. I haven’t tried either but I do respect Chinese Herbalism.
In any case, how they love themselves! That is the biggest and most striking difference. They are sure to go on and on. The bizarre White Man, brilliant enough to go to the moon, hates himself. And gives the Chinese all kinds of tech contracts – including parts for our military. Rumours are that the Chinese are producing bad parts for us or computer parts that they can neutralize at will.
Chinese and Blacks: American video game company sold Chinese games where Blacks were shown humiliating Kung Fu Masters. Quite rightly, the Chinese sent the games back saying that the Kung Fu Master was a beloved symbol and they wouldn’t allow that to be sullied. That’s the kind of love that allows a culture to continue.
You have given it alot of thought. And you are probably right about what is best for yourself. But you are not all women. You tend to conflate yourself these two different things.
Don’t forget to get a firearm and learn how to use it. As Mr Colt said, they are the great equalizers. You are strong enough to pull the trigger.
Also stop gay bashing people. I only bash gays not gay individuals. That’s not entirely true, but charlie and turk as so offensive to me that it is part of my self defence strategy. You bash people who have views you don’t like. Liberals always do that. Why? Why can you people be gentlemen?
Everyone know those stats are wildly inflated. And what about all the men who are raped in prison? Often by Blacks?
Vlad said: And what about all the men who are raped in prison?
Vlad claims: Everyone know those stats are wildly inflated.
My post about Gnosticism and your inability to discern that it’s very different from Advaita was a winner. It deserves a response like, “Vlad you are right”.
No wrong again. Rape in prison is under reported not inflated.
Alot of the female stats are from self reporting in mail in questionaires. This from people who think they are raped by when a man looks at them. Or the type who decide they were raped a few days later if the guy didn’t call back.
“Both sexes and all genders”
WTF are you talking about?
Is this some psychobablle women’s studies horseshit semantic trope that we are all supposed to accept just because you threw it out there?
Is there a cat/woman gender,where old ladies, or soon to be old ladies, self identify with felines, voice what kitty is thinking, argue with kitty and basically are kitty?
You are either male or female. There are a few physical freaks that share a couple of mixed up features out there but they don’t deserve nor merit an entire category.
Pandatour,
Do you know what the Chinese cultural contribution to world society is?
(Sound of phlegm hawking then spitting.)
Gay individuals? If you’re referring to my comment to Anti Soak I had no idea he was a homosexual? Apparently I have missed a post or two?
And I have never bashed gays as a group, btw.
At any rate, apologies Anti Soak if I personally offended as my comment was meant in the spirit of locker room banter.
As Marley said, Mankind is my Business.
You don’t believe that a woman can be born in a man’s body? Or that sex is just a socially mediated role – thus the new word “gender”? Or that Gay means happy? And it’s genetic?
What’s the hell is wrong with you?
Vladdie want a self-esteem cracker?
What does Harry Hay and the Mattachine Society (1950s) have to do with gnosticism or vedanta or going beyond identification with the physical body?
You spoke of a “new kind of spirituality” and what you spoke of is neither new nor spiritual compared to advaita.
Gnosticism is “new” compared to advaita. Advaita was around for thousands of years before that New Age religion called Christianity, the one that is now popular around the world and which is about “salvation” that is body identified. “Take, eat; this is my body.” Matthew 26:26
Meanwhile over at crazyeddiemoltenlava,
aimlowjimbob and kulturvulture were carousing with
whoknowswhat
LAST!
GOP Suggests Throwing Acid at Women’s Faces
Let’s hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won’t abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector.
— Jay Townsend, GOP Spokesman
Laura,
Thanks for all the great comments.
LBennett, I’m so glad you’re back. One chapter left in Shock Doctrine.
Prog, your rape joke last week was truly horrendous, and I think you owe us (women) an apology. Asoka, whom I almost never read, was right in that instance. Have you ever been raped? No, then stop with the rape jokes. I usually like your comments.
Hey Asoka, 4th of July is right around the corner; might be a good time on CFN to begin slandering and discrediting the Founding Fathers, the Revolutionary War, the Patriot generation of 1776, the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, the federalist papers, military victories at Cowpens and Yorktown, Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr, George Washington etc., etc., etc. …
I’m looking forward to it!
WSP7
WSP7, thanks for the suggestion. Those are all good topics, but they are kind of old.
The GOP spokesman suggesting throwing acid into women’s faces happened today, so that is what is getting attention. I condemn the Taliban for throwing acid, so I have to condemn the GOP also.
Don’t worry, I’ll be here keeping you entertained right up through and beyond July 4th… until 2017, then I’m out of here.
2017 will be here before you know it. Time flies when you’re having fun, and I am definitely having fun!
Xhalor said:
“Those who arrogantly write off Faith, sow the wind.”
I have faith in the Dodgers. Does that count?
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You’re a disgraceful PUNK. I’ve seen you write dozens of these one or two-line posts degrading a line of discourse on this site. Like most self-anointed “comedians” you’re far funnier in your own eyes than in anyone else’s.
E.
Here fishy, fishy, fishy…
Good question. Answer it yourself. Why did you try to use Vedanta to bolster Hay’s spurious neo-gnostic critique of Western Culture and Spirituality?
Thank you so much for just being you, Sen.
Dear Anti
You are so right. Most of the people on this blog voted for him. I didn’t. But the people who cannot believe their Messiah was a false one will never se it. That is why they continue to live withthe fog of drugs disabling their ability to live truthful lives and change the course of this country back to one that values the basic Judson Christian values of good honest integrity.
A note to the looser in Brazil…….that 3rd world country that u state is so great is so not great. What have they ever done to protect human rights or add anything of lasting value to the world. The people who come into your house whenever they want to are called “home invaders ” I would put a Lock on my door if I were you. You may be their next meal. And to all the gay supporters of whom there are many, I say the electric fencing sounds like a good idea
I wonder if the stocks went up on wall street.
Yes and once they get in. ……..rot sets in too.
I,
You’re living up to your name. I have no idea how the Repubs. came up with the idea that anyone saw O as a messiah. This is a meme that came out of people’s response to good oration after listening to “W” who couldn’t articulate himself out of a paper bag–he’s one with whom the Republicans dare not speak.
The response to Obama was one of hope that we might get away from the attitudes and policies of the Bush era and the hope that we could get out of these wars we were lied into and go about the business of building our economy here.
What many fail to recognize is that these people we vote for are just individuals and you need to focus on the machine behind them.
I pointed out earlier that Romney’s machine is the Cheney gang of neo conservatives. We’ll be going right back to where we didn’t want to be. On top of that there is real backward thinking on social matters concerning civil rights for many groups.
For those who want lots of war for private contractors to make a bundle–he’s your guy.
BUT, Obama though slightly more nuanced, has been carrying out the same policies. So what we see is that either way we’re going to play the hegemon in both the economic theater and the military one. We’ve been on this track for decades and we aren’t stepping back from any of it, regardless of which party is in power.
This thing is bigger than one guy you vote for. Look at what’s behind these guys. Same entrenched interests as there ever was!
So let’s stop the stupid and untrue memes against one group or another and recognize that when your team wins you lose.
You r so right. It will take an ac t of God to destroy the viralent flaming gays who want to destroy wholesome (a word they hate) family values.
PS. Thanks, Sennett for the welcome back.
Cause and Effect ?
Like when it is said that Unemployment is due to high taxes and such: the goal is really less taxes, not to solve Unemployment and such even because no one can ever demonstrate that connection, or better yet, everyone will demonstrate the connection they want according to what examples they take or just because and such. Because Unemployment is an intractable systems wide (culture wide, values wide, psychological etc.), process wide effect, that isn’t even clearly understood as even being an effect or “problem”: high employment seems to be much more of a flaw than unemployment in a Technological Economy or in a high productivity economy and such, since the work being done should be optimizing and eliminating more work than it creates, or else the work being done is not only a diminishing return endeavor but a negative return endeavor, more present work should mean less future work if that work is really being productive, not more future work, etc.
But of course, the effect wanted, the process, the causes and all such items get all confused when a Man Brain with its desire to have an advantage over some other Man Brain is trying to “explain” the “Problems” and the “Solutions”, etc, when it is all ideological (as in all things economical and political) as usual, but especially when the bottom line of all is simply the fight, A against B, the conflict, the contrast, the game, A wins B loses, etc, no matter how sophisticated (and hidden the agenda) they get with the explanations and politics and ideology and theory, it all boils down to a simple fight, A wants to gain, wants an upper hand by making B pay for it and such, a one transistor circuit.
But this method of always saying there is problem B that must be solved, the solution of the problem is A, but A gives an upper hand to the party talking about and describing and discovering the “problem” is done all the time: like saying that unemployment can improve and “more jobs can be created” by “a more flexible labor market and no unions” (who says so ? who invented this cause and effect ? who can demonstrate it ? or are you (corporations) creating this invention and applying it so you can get rid of unions ? etc.) or “more jobs can be created” by “more education”, another example of totally disjoint causes and effects that no one can demonstrate, that are totally intractable, and anyone can demonstrate this as true or false according to what statistics, numbers, examples, countries or companies they take as an example and such.
Add to this that all of these (imaginary ?) causes and effects have feedback loops, with both positive and negative feedback paths, since “more education” may mean “more teachers” but also “more books printed” and such and at the same time companies themselves are brainwashed by the imaginary “cause and effect” to hire more people who are educated, in a complex loop confusing the cause with the effect (desired ?) and invention and the process and all else.
In short, all things Economical and Social are Processes, complex intractable Processes with both positive and negative feedback loops and ESPECIALLY WHERE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCESS ITSELF MODIFIES THE PROCESS, THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE PROCESS INVENTING OR
ASSIGNING THE “PROBLEMS” AND “CAUSES AND EFFECTS” ACTUALLY CREATES THOSE VERY “CAUSES AND EFFECTS” AND ALSO DESTROYS THEM, in an ever changing intractable random and chaotic systems wide process with millions of moving and distinct and independent and separate (but every now and then combined and unit creating) parts.
Of course as usual, all of the above is false, or true or whatever, and even though you may discover that all political talk is “hidden agenda based”, you can be sure that there will always be something else, some new invention that will always hide the agenda all over again without you noticing it again, as there are ever clever ways to deceive and invent and hide the real simple fight and conflict and contrast that is the only true thing always operating.
My agenda is not hidden: I want a Free Salary and Cheap Rents, if not for everyone, at least for me, so I am honest, I am saying exactly what I want and I want the Government to Pay for it all, so there, I said (and I could care less if “someone” else is working to “pay me”, who gives two c*cks and a d*ck ?, what clowns!).
AN APE, AN 8 MAN, A TOBOR
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179282
Is this Circular ?
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=179254
Cause and Effect ?
Like when it is said that Unemployment is due to high taxes and such: the goal is really less taxes, not to solve Unemployment and such even because no one can ever demonstrate that connection, or better yet, everyone will demonstrate the connection they want according to what examples they take or just because and such. Because Unemployment is an intractable systems wide (culture wide, values wide, psychological etc.), process wide effect, that isn’t even clearly understood as even being an effect or “problem”: high employment seems to be much more of a flaw than unemployment in a Technological Economy or in a high productivity economy and such, since the work being done should be optimizing and eliminating more work than it creates, or else the work being done is not only a diminishing return endeavor but a negative return endeavor, more present work should mean less future work if that work is really being productive, not more future work, etc.
But of course, the effect wanted, the process, the causes and all such items get all confused when a Man Brain with its desire to have an advantage over some other Man Brain is trying to “explain” the “Problems” and the “Solutions”, etc, when it is all ideological (as in all things economical and political) as usual, but especially when the bottom line of all is simply the fight, A against B, the conflict, the contrast, the game, A wins B loses, etc, no matter how sophisticated (and hidden the agenda) they get with the explanations and politics and ideology and theory, it all boils down to a simple fight, A wants to gain, wants an upper hand by making B pay for it and such, a one transistor circuit.
But this method of always saying there is problem B that must be solved, the solution of the problem is A, but A gives an upper hand to the party talking about and describing and discovering the “problem” is done all the time: like saying that unemployment can improve and “more jobs can be created” by “a more flexible labor market and no unions” (who says so ? who invented this cause and effect ? who can demonstrate it ? or are you (corporations) creating this invention and applying it so you can get rid of unions ? etc.) or “more jobs can be created” by “more education”, another example of totally disjoint causes and effects that no one can demonstrate, that are totally intractable, and anyone can demonstrate this as true or false according to what statistics, numbers, examples, countries or companies they take as an example and such.
Add to this that all of these (imaginary ?) causes and effects have feedback loops, with both positive and negative feedback paths, since “more education” may mean “more teachers” but also “more books printed” and such and at the same time companies themselves are brainwashed by the imaginary “cause and effect” to hire more people who are educated, in a complex loop confusing the cause with the effect (desired ?) and invention and the process and all else.
In short, all things Economical and Social are Processes, complex intractable Processes with both positive and negative feedback loops and ESPECIALLY WHERE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCESS ITSELF MODIFIES THE PROCESS, THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE PROCESS INVENTING OR ASSIGNING THE “PROBLEMS” AND “CAUSES AND EFFECTS” ACTUALLY CREATES THOSE VERY “CAUSES AND EFFECTS” AND ALSO DESTROYS THEM, in an ever changing intractable random and chaotic systems wide process with millions of moving and distinct and independent and separate (but every now and then combined and unit creating) parts.
Of course as usual, all of the above is false, or true or whatever, and even though you may discover that all political talk is “hidden agenda based”, you can be sure that there will always be something else, some new invention that will always hide the agenda all over again without you noticing it again, as there are ever clever ways to deceive and invent and hide the real simple fight and conflict and contrast that is the only true thing always operating.
My agenda is not hidden: I want a Free Salary and Cheap Rents, if not for everyone, at least for me, so I am honest, I am saying exactly what I want and I want the Government to Pay for it all, so there, I said (and I could care less if “someone” else is working to “pay me”, who gives two c*cks and a d*ck ?, what clowns!).
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…”What many fail to recognize is that these [presidential aspirants] we vote for are just individuals and you need to focus on the machine behind them.” -LB as BT
Well, I’d say that takes care of that. Next?
(Although the fact that many absolutely refuse to recognize this is a clusterfuck for another day.)
O,
When I see how focused some bloggers are on one person to exemplify evil, I just have to say the obvious.
(Sorry for the belated response to this; life intrudes, as you intimately know.)
“Without the community of Faith, provided by the little Baptist Church, just up the road, within walking distance of their lives and farms.
Those who arrogantly write off Faith, sow the wind.
I fear we may all soon reap the whirlwind.” -P2C
As we’ve discussed before, faith provided a useful linchpin for your ancestors. Good deal.
I simply find it mystifying that you should think that “non-believers” are sowing the wind with dragon’s teeth, when they have no dog in the fight. I don’t get that part. The only “threat” in there, is that they don’t hold with the majority’s sky-god belief. Why is this so scary to believers? Are morality and ethics taught by religion alone? I just don’t “believe” that.
Seems to me that “people of faith” are usually the ones that bring the whirlwind (specifically instructed by their “true god” to bring “his” vengeance upon the infidels, of course).
It’s easier that-a-way.
Plus, it doesn’t require that we look into ourselves for those rationales that allow evil to flourish; and all our selfish “little” evils that we harbor.
Vlad:
About public assistance: I don’t know about the people among your aquaintance, but I raised two kids on no public assistance whatever on less money than most of you tea partyers spend on your weekly bar tab.
Lots of women, including me, cook from scratch. We are just particular about for whom we cook, and no, I am not throwing the pearls of my efforts–I have only been doing this for about 5 decades now, so I do have some small expertise–in front of a ranting Limbaugh wannabe.
You blew it. What I think is, you partied down and heavy for years, changed girlfriends with abandon, and now no competent woman wants anything to do with you. The days of easy sex, easy drugs, party party every weekend, and go down the street and find a job are long gone.
I am done with manners. Nicy nice, mever express an opinion about anything because someone might get their poor little feelings hurt, can’t admit you made your blouse yourself, can’t take a home baked cake to the company picnic because some little darling thinks you are putting her down. I say what I mean and mean what I say, mostly keep to myself and try my best to not harm others, and if that is not good enough, too bad.
Funny how after so many decades it is still all about looks and personality with guys like you. Nothing about a woman’s character: does she lie, steal, cheat, bear false witness, take credit for other’s work? Guys like you neither know nor care along as the looks and personality are there.
Further unnecessary poking about (since we’re on about religious communities):
What does a peaceful minding-our-own-business religious cult do when faced with a messianic sword-and-fire-bringing religious cult?
I’d say non-believers are the least of religionistas’ worries. Prez Bush was saved from his alcohol and drug-induced haze by his god, just long enough to get in there to smite “the Musselman”. He said so, and those who followed his cult thought it good, proper and just. Know thine [true] enemy.
There ya go, O3. That’s exactly what I don’t dig about religion. Religionists don’t mind their own business; they got to try to impose their values upon everyone else. I don’t care what anyone else believes; if they want to believe in the sky-god or the tree-god, that’s fine with me. True liberty is letting the other person do his thing without interference – as long as he’s not impacting MY freedoms.
“Religionists don’t mind their own business; they got to try to impose their values upon everyone else.” -BTB
I think you’ve hit upon the crux of the matter. Exactly WHY do they feel the need for others to believe as they do? Could it be about self-affirmation and power? (I’m asking; it’s not a rhetorical question.)
(BTW, I don’t think it has much to do with wanting to share the wonderfulness of god’s grace. Being an example of that is far more persuasive than yelling about it and invading homes with carloads of canon-toting, toothy-smiled proselytizers. “Gott mit Uns” beltbuckles for all; hurrah!)
Why did you try to use Vedanta to bolster Hay’s spurious neo-gnostic critique of Western Culture and Spirituality?
You openly expressed your fear of homosexuals with power. I reminded you that Vedanta takes you beyond identification with body, beyond male/female biology. You have an irrational fear of homosexuals.
Have you read ‘Fast Food Nation’?
Eating out is up 40X ? over, over a few decades.
Food Corps are lobbying and EBT is the enemy…
of health and more.
Connect the dots..Corporations, fast food, obesity, disease, EBT, Government.
Did you hear about the Maryland cannibal?
An African Immigrant [gee, no surprise].
He ate his victims heart, to absorb ‘power’.
See the book ‘WHITE WOMAN WITCH DOCTOR’ for the child sacrifice case, ‘the shaman told the bush woman if she wanted power, to kill her own child’.
I say what I mean and mean what I say, mostly keep to myself and try my best to not harm others, and if that is not good enough, too bad.
Natarana, welcome to CFN. I am a feminist and have appreciated the very nice posts you have contributed. Hope you stay and continue to share your perspective.
^Nastarana^
The Labor Department also said Friday that the economy created far fewer jobs in the previous two months than first thought. It revised those figures down to show 49,000 fewer jobs created. The unemployment rate rose to 8.2 percent from 8.1 percent in April, the first increase in 11 months.
OK, clusterfuckers, for eleven months I have been saying the unemployment situation is improving. For eleven months you have told me not to trust government statistics.
Now the government statistics are showing a worsening employment situation. Should we trust the government when it says things are getting worse, or continue to believe government statistics are a lie, and things are really getting better? If the government says things are worse, they must really be getting better, according to clusterfucker logic that says government doesn’t tell the truth.
On the other hand, maybe things are so bad that even the government couldn’t lie enough to overcome the news. It would be in Obama’s best re-election interest to say things are getting better.
Dear anti soak,
The SNAP program, or whatever it is being called this week, is a major subsidy for agribiz and retail grocers. Not to mention the so-called “convenience” stores in poor neighborhoods. That said, it does seem to be about the only thing keeping folks alive in some distressed neighborhoods.
Now before you start in on why don’t they grow gardens, take a moment to understand that the majority, as in the VAST majority of property owners DO NOT ALLOW TENANTS TO GROW GARDENS. I did anywhay, because in the state where I was living, it is nearly impossible to evict anyone who does pay their rent on time, which I always did. Where I am now, I had to search for weeks to find a rental where gardening was allowed.
Some dots you might not have connected: the Congressional Hispanic Caucus votes almost to a man and woman to give agribiz whatever it asks for, I think because it regards factory farming as a jobs program for its constituency. The Congressional Black Caucus has to, for the reasons I gave above, at all costs, have SNAP fully funded, and the cost is high. SNAP is held hostage till farm state reps get all the subsidies their paymasters, excuuuse me, constituents, demand. Meanwhile, the zionist lobby also, for reasons not quite clear, but having something to do, I suspect, with the fact that Israel has biotech companies and exports food products, supports agribiz.
I parted company with the Democratic Party over the so-called Food Safety Bill. I even entertained hopes that there might be some in house lobbying from Mrs. Obama in favor of not signing it. sigh
Go to you tube and watch The World Against Monsanto for a look at what we are up against.
No, that’s not what you did. You endorsed Hay’s point of view by likening it to Vedanta. And now you make it worse by lying about what you said.
Thank you for admitting I was right: you don’t believe in manners. I saw thru you.
Good character with a good personality? Well generally you can tell the book by the cover – if you know books. But I grant you that some moral people have terrible personalities. And obviously psychopaths often have great ones. But people need a certain level of attractivness. Who wants to be around a nasty but moral person?
Since you made an admission so will I. I admit men have their blind spots and self destructive programs in regards to women just like women do in regards to men. A monster of whimsicality like Casey Anthony hold a fascination for us, where a commonsense kind of girl often doesn’t. Of course, Case’s hips and breasts don’t hurt either. The solution is obviously to fuck but not marry girls like Casey. Unfortuantely, modern “do me” Feminism is trying to empower women to make their sexuality like a man’s. And this just will not lead to marriages. Men want to marry Madonnnas not Whores. Wise men at least. And really advanced men would leave the Caseys alone all together.
Change requires truth – even if it hurts. The Media did not vet Obama. And even McCain refused to condemn him as a Communist who hated America and a Racist who hated Whites. Only now Fox news has begun to do what no one dared to do at the time using Breitbart’s material.
What if he really is a Kenyan? Do you want us to pretend tha the isn’t – just so Democrats don’t have to face the humiliation of being so foolish? What about the Rule of Law – without which we have nothing, least of all a Country?
Now seriously: Blacks are all but worhiped in America. The thing they could do if only Evil Whites stopped putting them down! That is the mindset – and you lose all credibility by denying it. Thus Barack Obama, half Black (divine) and half White (fallen humanity) was the ONE to unite us – in a way a purely Divine Black could not do. Politicos talked about how Obama was less threatening than a more black Black would be….
Remember David Brooks saying that he could tell Obama would be a great president just by the sharpness of the crease in his pants? And of course Matthews and the tingle in his leg. I mean things like this are the ravings of men who are outside the bounds of rationality.
I can’t remember, one of Washington’s female scribblers raved about how South Africa was about to become the Beacon of the World under Black Rule. And the Beauty would be beyond telling even by her mighty pen. Shortly after that all talk about South Africa ceased. The Ugliness is too great to be hidden. But that’s the Liberal Law: when wrong, cover it up. And then go on like nothing has happened. That’s what you’re doing here.
Ford also was on the whitewash known as the Warren Commission. He was obviously on someone’s payroll not to be an murderer per se but this “nice guy” that the Howard Hunts and CIA spooks could call in to cover up their dirty work. The JFK coup de tat was orchestrated by LBJ with the full and eager support of rogue elements of the CIA who are all but stooges for those who profit from war. JFK wanted to do the sensible thing and pull us out of Vietnam, as well as end the fed, reign in the CIA, etc. The first thing LBJ did was to ensure that that stupid and totally unnecessary debacle in Vietnam continued, so how much blood did that inbred bastard mafia stooge have on his hands when he went to his maker? Hopefully there are especially hot spots in hell for people like him and the so-called “Reagan democrats”, which I will mention below.
The so-called Reagan democrats should feel like the most extreme fucktards, supreme cock suckers that ever drew breath. If we had listened to Jimmy Carter about our long range energy predicament, we may have been able to alleviate some of the suffering and death that will result when reality finally kicks in. A precious 30 year window of opportunity was blown by these assholes and as far as I am concerned, there is not enough piano wire to string these bone heads up by their nuts. We have traitors like them to thank for your retirement inevitably getting wiped out (I say “your” referring to anyone in general who was foolish enough to think they could retire with dignity and somehow trust or believe that the government would not steal it from you….I knew better), you children’s future and their children’s children’s future being wiped out.
A 30 year window of opportunity blown because americans are asshole fucking stupid and voted for this senile old jerk and his trickle down/union busting cold war bullshit because he made them feel good inside, told people what they wanted to hear. You burned your ass, now you must sit on the blisters
Actually, fiscal recklessness by both major parties and their short sightedness regarding energy and their delusions of endless growth and energy got us into this mess. Liberal democrats favored affirmative action (which is tantamount to reverfse racism), busing, rewarding sluts and whores for acting irresponsibly and having kids they cannot afford so they can get out of having to work for a living and living their lazy drug addicted lifestyle at tax payer expense, and they are typically anti gun and were the ones who rsuhed forward to convict George Zimmerman (guess what, you criminal coddling knee kerk wimps and asswipes, all the evidence proves he acted in defense and will likley be acquitted. I hope so, anyway). On the other hand, the anti gun folks will be the first victims when the shit hits the fan, better them than me.
All of these things pale in comparison with what lays ahead. That steep cliff. Food and water will be your new preoccupation in life, along with staying warm and finding ways to see in the dark, not stocks and bonds, democrats vs repugs, Monday night football, muscle cars, flat screen televisions, etc. The rude awakening that awaits americans when reality can no longer be denied or wished away, when the music is over, when the lights go out, when the joyride ends. Remember that 30 window of opportunity that you wasted when a politician actually told you the truth. Honesty and politics do not go together, as americans are about to learn the hard and very painful way
You mentioned that book before – I should get it.
I never heard of that case, but I now about African beliefs. Body parts are the thing. Albinos are particularly hunted and of course, babies. Perhaps they know about stem cells just as the Dogon knew about Sirius B, Sirius’s invisible brother star. Perhaps an alien from there told them?
I am not sticking up for Obama, but does anyone actually think McCain would have done any better? I wanna say I am for Ron Paul but even he still clings to free market solutions that border on sadistic and is under the illusion of endless growth. Obama tried to restart the economy, just as McCain would have, and both would have been doomed to fail as the limits of growth have been reached and there will be nothing but contraction and collapse from this day forward. There is no political solution. Don’t waste your time voting in 2012, or if you do, vote for the asshole you hate the most, as he will preside over an empire that collapsed (for me, a vote for the one I hate the most would be that fat bastard Newt Gingrich, but to each his own)
Great new movie out today: For Greater Glory. It’s about the Masonic Mexican Goverment’s persecution and murder of Catholics and the Catholic Counter Revolution.
I wonder which side you would have been on, the good or the evil?
“Religionists don’t mind their own business; they got to try to impose their values upon everyone else.” -BTB, to ozone-
Good points, guys.
My counterargument is that the Atheists (capital A) tend to do exactly the same thing, with emphasis – while deploying The Scientific Method to prove themselves in possession of All Knowledge Forever.
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Atheists do NOT have sole claim on Science – it belongs to everyone, regardless of spiritual belief!!!
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For example, consider your post, Bill. Anyone “rational” can not be religious, right?
Well, take this logic a little further and it eventually makes ANY recognition of the human spirit a nullity. We’re just meat and neurons, in other words.
It was the human spirit that got us out of our caves and into NASA, Bill. (I know that’s one of your favorite things. Mine, too. That’s why I mention it deliberately, as a point in common.)
Some of you Atheists seek DESPERATELY to sever the “human spirit” from “all religion.”
I don’t think it can be done.
And if it is done –
Beware of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Exactly What does That Word Mean ?
They talk about Economics, Growth, Jobs, GDP and so many other Abstract and essentially Undefined Words, like Productivity, Competitiveness, Innovation, Eduaction and so on. But exactly what do they mean by a word like Innovation or Productivity ? No one knows, or everyone defines it as they please, or it can mean anything and the contrary of anything at all and so on: no one ever says exactly What Must Grow when they talk about Sparking Growth (more car production ? more houses built? or simply higher prices for houses, which is the only thing that really grew from 2000 to 2010, etc.) and that the Southern European Countries must Grow and such. But the real reason why all of these ideas and concepts are undefined, abstract, impossible to pinpoint down (intractable, remember this word: intractable, impossible to follow) is because by using ambiguous concepts and ideas and words, you can make any kind of politics pass as correct and reasonable, you can connect any cause and effect any way you want to since no one can ever really control or follow such intractable concepts such as Education and Innovation “Creating jobs” and such.
So all of language and thoughts and concepts are full of undefined, abstract, unknown, inventions meaning mostly nothing, very questionable “Causes and Effects” that pass as “Economic Science” and such when it is all Arbitrary Power Plays and Games, and convincing the victims to believe in an Ideology that essentially hoses them and robs them: that is why they should Proudly and Bluntly ask for the only thing that really counts: Free Salaries and Cheap Rents. AMEN.
You still have not understood, Vlad.
You were the first to mention Harry Hay … an interesting post that came after I pointed out your fear of homosexuals.
Here is what you wrote:
Read the amazing Harry Hay of the Mattachine Society, an early Gay Group. He spoke of a new kind of spirituality … May 31, 2012 2:02 PM
My Vedanta response May 31, 2012 2:13 PM came after your confession of your fear of homosexuals. Why are you lying about this? It is clear you are lying from the order of posts.
It is also clear that Buck Stud is right about you. You are a white supremacist racist who thinks he is superior to women, gays, etc. but is afraid of homosexuals with power who might come on to you.
Deal with your shadow side, Vlad.
I agree. Regarding gay marriage, I used to think why not? They have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us. So we gave them an inch, now they want the mile. The right to adopt children. Fruitcake and pedophile Michael Jackson practically tossing one of his test tube babies out the window in Germany. Elton John adopting a kid. I am so glad to have had natural AC/DC parents, the way nature intended it, instead of say, Richard Simmons and Liberace. Fucking gross.
As long as they keep their lifestyle to themselves and do not try to impose or force their ways on others, it would be OK. They are proving they are not content to do that. The children they are adopting have no say in the matter. Many of them do in fact think they have every right to force their lifestyle on others. My brother in law decided like all the other tinker bells and bull dykes to “come out of the closet” and admit he was gay, and that he knew he was all his life. Fair enough. He should not have LIED to my wife’s sister and married her some 20 years ago and adopted to Chinese orphan babies (probably stolen by the government and put up for adoption to keep their populkation down…far better choice than infanticide). Now that he destroyed any chance she may have had to marry a normal husband and adopted to infants who didn’t have any choice because “he wanted to know what it’s like to have children”, he moved in with his gay lover, leaving his wife and children confused and without the fatherly figure in the house.
Point being, now they are treating other people and children like they are play toys or objects of their curiosity and people sit back and think this is alright. Well I tend to disagree, and I hate the religious/evangelical right, I don’t care nor do I trust more x-tians and think they are fake hypocrites, not to mention full of shit most of the time. I am more a Libertarian, but that love of freedom includes children having the right to chose normal parents and other people not to be tricked into marrying someone gay for appearances.
Ozone says: “I think you’ve hit upon the crux of the matter. Exactly WHY do they feel the need for others to believe as they do? Could it be about self-affirmation and power? (I’m asking; it’s not a rhetorical question.)”
With nearly 6 decades as an outed “atheist” it is my considered opinion that the fervently religious need others to believe as they believe to convince themselves that they are “correct” in their beliefs. It is sort of as a democracy is expected to function, a simple majority means this is the “true” or desired result. Unfortunately the logical mechanization of democracy illustrates why it can never be absolutely implemented since the obvious outcome of such results in zero, or thereabouts, protections for the minority losers. Just think how much fun the ‘christians” would have here in the US if we had a true democracy. As WarDoc is wont to say it would be time to “lock and load”.
SNAFU
“Some of you Atheists seek DESPERATELY to sever the “human spirit” from “all religion.”
I don’t think it can be done.”
Let’s say that you’ve been in a horrible accident and are severely brain damaged. You’re on the respirator and have no motor functions. Where’s your “spirit”?
“Prog, your rape joke last week was truly horrendous, and I think you owe us (women) an apology. Asoka, whom I almost never read…”
-senneth-
Sen, I agree with you. That “joke” was over the top, and I’ll apologize (again) for it.
I was just getting annoyed with the standard.asoka.strategy that Xhalor was being subjected to* – and chimed in with the first thing that popped into my head.
*If any US Marine, anywhere or EVER, committed a rape – the the whole US Military is a bunch of Atomic Dropping White Men and therefor asoka.wins the argument. Logic be damned, in other words.
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That said, there was a reality to the statement that I made that my wife and her girlfriends would prefer the fantasy of (carefully controlled and only-semi-non-consensul) sex with a US Marine to the fantasy of the same sex with a Taliban.
Lots of women have uniform kinks. My own wife has one, for example. I found this out years after I came out of uniform – and with no easy way to go back into that uniform, or any other.
Too bad, so sad for me. I know. 🙁
“Romance novels are often called “porn for women.” Porn is all about sexual fantasies. …..In porn for women as depicted in romance novels, the fantasy is to be desired so much that the man loses all control, though he never actually hurts the woman, and in the end…..”
-psyc today-
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean
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Speaking of uniforms.
MadCat Madcat MADCAT
I honor your 25 years of service.
But it was to the Australian military, right?
Australia doesn’t have Memorial Day, on the same day as the US and for the same purpose which is to honor US-only soldiers, killed in the line of duty in wars.
So my comment last week stands.
And I don’t have a clue why you got all offended.
“Let’s say that you’ve been in a horrible accident and are severely brain damaged. You’re on the respirator and have no motor functions. Where’s your “spirit”?” -x-
It’s somewhere, X, I’ll guarantee you.
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Let’s say that you are having a good day. You are well fed and well nourished. You’re sitting at your computer, which means the power is on. You HVAC hums in the background.
Where’s your “spirit?”
Where’s my spirit? In the context in which we’re speaking; ain’t got one. Why don’t you give us your definition of “spirit” and the geographical location of yours (longitude & latitude).
Vlad, let try to put this in very simple terms that you might be able to comprehend.
Us adult women Do. Not Want. Anything To. Do. With. Ranting. Limbaugh. Wannabees.
We (I believe I can speak for more than myself here) Do. Not. Care. What. You. Might. Or. Might Not. Like., Look For., Or. Dislike. Is there a word in there you don’t comprehend?
Enjoy your beautiful, faithful mail order bride from overseas. I give her two weeks to get fed up with you, and maximum three years to get loose from you, especially afer she finds out just how well a smart, hardnosed lady can do here on her own.
BTW, you can take your “always something nice to say” manners, which you don’t exhibit yourself, but apparently expect from others, and go jump in a lake with them.
I didn’t bother to vote as I knew MI would go for Obama, and after 8 years of Bush, I will admit I was glad we rid ourselves of that festering turd(not Bush per se, but his administration of neocon nutjobs, like Ashcroft, Cheney, etc. The president is just a figure head and a puppet, in that son of a Bush’s case, a very stupid one with a sadly apparent low IQ). It didn’t take me long to start hearing the chorus “we won’t get fooled again” after Obama won. He balked at his promise to pull us out of Iraq and then talked about redeploying the troops in Afghanistan….now others say these actions were taken to prevent the Chinese from getting a foot hold on the minerals, natural resources, and flow of oil in the region. If that is true, then the repugs ought to be delighted with Obama, he is out Bushing that son of a Bush before him in terms of military interventionism. Myself, I think it’s a losing battle and the military a vast waste of resources and should be all but eliminated altogether, as the staggering amounts of energy needed to maintain it, let alone wage war, will not be there much longer. I despise Obama’s domestic policies, fascistic measures like the NDAA, which to me is a clear indication that the US government knows collapse is imminent and is ready to take any and all measures to save itself. I do not see how things would have been any better with “be in Iraq a thousand years ort more” McCain, who would have likely wasted more energy and resources on the military.
However, that is not why I answer your post. I am wondering just how you think the US will return to some never never land of the glory days by returning to what I presume you meant “Judeo-Chistian values”? (Normally, I refuse to capitalize things that I despise but I am paraphrasing what I think you were trying to say)
Do you know how many people have been killed in the name of one religion or another? Most x-tians I know are just cowards that lean on a book of fairy tales for security. Like “fat destroyer pills”, we all know this shit doesn’t work, santa clause isn’t real no matter how much magic dust he takes to fit down that chimney, but many people want to believe this, just as want to believe there is endless oil, endless growth, that technology will save us, etc. Most of the acts of “kindness” that I see x-tians perform are really just acts of self serving altruism
Any person of Native descent would rightfully dread the world which you wish to return to. After thousands of years of relative harmony with nature, you x-tians took but a few hundred years to rape, murder, and destroy the earth and render yourselves on the brink of extinction. Kindly take your pious x-tian values and stick them where the sun never shines
OCCUPY WALL STREET DEFENDS MN HOME OWNERS
OccupyMN Community members will hold 12pm press conference at City Hall to condemn Mayor’s use of public resources to defend the banks, joined by other homeowners facing foreclosure who have taken a pledge not to leave their homes.
Please take a moment to help us with the following in advance of today’s press conference:
1) Call and email Mayor Rybak ( rt@minneapolis.org ) at (612) 673-2100 and tell him not to use his police to carry out the dirty work of the banks, evicting community members who can afford to pay a mortgage, while the bank refuses to negotiate a reasonable solution with them.
2) Call Brad German, PR executive for Freddie Mac at 703-903-2437 today to tell them to halt the eviction of the Cruz family so that PNC Bank can negotiate a real solution to keep them in their home as owners.
3) Call and email Dan Taylor VP of PNC Bank at 412-762-2000 to demand they work out a settlement with the Cruz family immediately.
14 Arrested at Cruz Home, Vowing Needless Foreclosure “Stops Here”
http://www.occupyhomesmn.org
Better to jump in a lake than a public swimming pool http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/swimming-pools-public-toilet-bowls-many-survey-193700688.html.
Let’s be honest, guys. How many of you actually get out of the shower to take a piss in the morning? How many like to sneak in that jerk before work and try to clean up your scum guppies? I think the actual number is more like 4 out of 4 as opposed to 1 out of 4
Amen! A lot of the chickenhawks on CFN don’t seem to realize that the military will die soon because it runs on energy sources we will no longer have.
All the militaries of the world can’t die soon enough. We need to redirect resources away from fighting and preparing for war and spend the money on fighting disease, poverty, ignorance, and criminal anti-social white-collar behavior.
14 Arrested at Cruz Home, Vowing Needless Foreclosure “Stops Here”
http://www.occupyhomesmn.org
“Let’s hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won’t abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector.” said Jay Townsend (GOP spokesman)
Do you realize what that means?
Acid attacks are particularly brutal, aimed almost solely at women, with the intent to maim and disfigure.
It means the Republican war on women is for real.
There are plenty of blue-collar Tea Partiers out there, if you know it or if you don’t.
For the rest of it: I don’t put too much stock in anything that comes from someone who thinks (s)he can read the minds of people (s)he has never met or even seen.
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MIchigan Native — You’re wasting your breath preaching to the choir here. I believed in Jimmy Carter. I voted Democrat for my entire adult life, right up until 1998, when I quit buying that “lesser of two evils” bullshit and started holding the Democratic Party responsible for what the Democratic Party actually DOES rather than give them credit for what I WISH they would do.
I voted third-party in 98, in Y2K, in ’02, ’04, ’06 and ’08. I didn’t vote at all in 2010 because there was no third party I could vote for. Ralph Nader didn’t run that year, so I stayed home. I’m pretty well certain that I won’t vote this year, either, and for exactly the same reason. I won’t vote for Obama, I won’t vote for Romney, and there’s no credible third-party in the race.
Don’t vote. Talk about playing a game on TPTB’s terms… We need something to kick start this party. I can’t think of a better place to start that ONLY requires will. Will it be good? Will it be bad? I can’t say. But something will happen. We need something to happen.
Hi Deacon. Until we have an option “none of the above” on the ballot, the best way to show dissatisfaction with the two major parties is to vote for a viable third party. In 2012 such a party exists. Six state Green parties completed their presidential primaries in May, and all six voted strongly for Dr. Jill Stein.
New York was the biggest win, with Stein winning 14 of 16 delegates. She also won 4 of 4 delegates at the Mississippi convention. Pennsylvania Greens completed their caucuses by awarding 4 of 7 delegates to Dr. Stein. In Tennessee, she won 2.5 of 4 delegates. In Minnesota, Stein won 4 of 7 delegates. And in Roseanne Barr’s home state of Hawai’i, Jill Stein won 2 of 4 delegates.
Greens are united across the country in voting for Jill Stein as their 2012 presidential nominee. She has won 50% or more of the vote in all 22 state primaries, caucuses, and conventions so far, and in 16 of those primaries she won over 67% of the vote.
For the full set of primary results to date, see: http://www.jillstein.org/primaries
Don’t vote. Talk about playing a game on TPTB’s terms…
You can stay home… but they will hold the election without you, and they will claim you are beholden to the results even though you didn’t vote.
Make your protest visible instead of staying at home. Vote for a third party. Write in Mickey Mouse, if you think the elections are a Mickey Mouse affair. But show up, take action, and don’t let them think they can run roughshod over you because, after all, you didn’t care at all, you preferred to stay home.
We all love a good party.
“But something will happen. We need something to happen.”
We will be talking about what will happen this month for the rest of our lives. Take notes.
MD makes an appearance, like the mainstream press, with a teaser alert of a spectacular June 2012. Stay tuned.
Give it up, MD.
Second coming of Christ?
Vlad’s race war?
JHK’s 4,000 DOW?
AQ’s nuclear attack on the USA?
Give us a hint…
“My counterargument is that the Atheists (capital A) tend to do exactly the same thing [attempt to impose their views on others], with emphasis – while deploying The Scientific Method to prove themselves in possession of All Knowledge Forever.” -P2C
I’ll have to respectfully disagree.
That smacks of the High Church of Pretended Victimhood.
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Atheists do NOT have sole claim on Science – it belongs to everyone, regardless of spiritual belief!!! -P2C
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Why on gawd’s green earth would I deny access to SCIENCE for anyone?? Knowledge of our surroundings would [hopefully] help us to collectively make some better decisions about “how we inhabit the landscape” (tm JHK).
“Some of you Atheists seek DESPERATELY to sever the “human spirit” from “all religion.”
I don’t think it can be done.
And if it is done –
Beware of the Law of Unintended Consequences.” -P2C
This, and some of the rest of the posting I just find a bit strange, but it certainly doesn’t threaten me. I’d advise you to consider that last pronouncement very carefully in the dim light of a hypothetical Theocracy, if you would, please.
Zimmerman has a credibility problem.
First, he lied at his bond hearing, saying he was “flat broke” when he had money and took steps to hide it.
Then Zimmerman also failed to disclose or turn over a second passport in his possession, that he lied to the State Dept. to get.
Zimmerman acquired a second passport in 2004 after filing a claim with the State Department that his original passport was lost or stolen.
But, according to prosecutors, while Zimmerman was in custody at the Seminole County jail on April 17, he had a conversation with his wife in which the couple discussed the second passport. The conversation was recorded by jail officials:
Defendant: Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag.
Shelly Zimmerman: I have one for you in safety deposit box…
Defendant: Ok, you hold on to that.
Lying about his bond, lying about his passport, refusing to give up his second passport, saying he was attacked by Trayvon, etc. …
Zimmerman has a credibility problem. He is a flight risk and should be in jail while awaiting trial for the murder of Trayvon, who remains dead.
1st June, 2012:
Global economic slowdown acknowledged, Dow down 274 points today.
Greece freezes all payments on the national debt; Prez says he will work toward erasing austerity measures imposed by Germany.
Bank runs in weird sloooow motion.
That’s without even poking around; just the radio filter.
Of course, we won’t see a black swan event until it happens, but I’ll just look for the obvious.
Thanks for the interesting idea.
(Don’t designate me as secretary, the typing is much too slow!)
Atheists, smatheists…
Denying the existence of something that doesn’t exist only reifies the no-thing.
We must avoid reifying non-existent things…
It’s just not fair. It only misleads those who want to believe in them.
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MN, thats the ‘Myth of Equality’, as opposed to equal rights under the Law.
Far as the DOW, today, I say ‘bring it on’!!!!
Let the DOW melt to 900 [or 7900].
Let that be the death knell for this administration!
I opposed TARP, I say TARP will make things worse, even in the short run.
Did JMC say, before losing, that he thought BHO would be a great president? Before the election, or am I mistaken?
‘Only now Fox news has begun to do what no one dared to do at the time using Breitbart’s material’
Which is? what does it contain?
If you want to see ‘sad libs’ check the ‘York lectures’ on Youtube, not sure how you will find them. York was the gun wielding ‘slave’ on the Lewis and Clark expedition.See ‘them’ gush so over this magic guy.
Lewis and Clark college now has a statue to York!
How much was he mentioned in any of their [LnC]
memoirs I dunno.
‘Zimmerman has a credibility problem.’
SO – DO – YOU.
Thats the kettle calling the pot black.
Girl, do ya know all this worlds but a stage?
So what if ‘they’ wanna play house with dolls?
[and 20 years later with adopted kids].
There was a case I read of, of a Gay Man who did adopt an Infant. Unable to content with the childs screams, he killed the child.
Cases like this happen every day. People ill prepared to care for an infant who neglect or kill the child, intentionally or not.
Remember the Brits crys, in the 90s, to ‘Free Louise’?[ The nanny in Massachusetts].
Seriously, Vlad couldn’t be any funnier if he were Mel Brooks.
Asoka- I donno, I can’t figure out why he spends so much time here, not too much happening in Bolivia, or wherever he is I guess.
Anti-soak- latest in a long line of bomb throwing rabble rousers, I don’t mean that in a bad way….and there sure is a lot of rabble here to rouse.
Ozone – another guy will no life apparently.
Best comment I’ve read here in a long time: The one where some dipshit says, regarding the “hatfields and mccoys” “that was when whitey had a pair” and the reply—“pair of what? brain cells?” Excellent. That comment almost made the 20 mins I spent here this week worthwhile.
This blog couldn’t be any less worthwhile if you were all different personalities of one guy in a metal ward somewhere. In fact, that may be more interesting.
Have a beer or something, and stop taking yourselves so seriously. Cheers!
You need to be slapped down for your insolence by a good man. You desperately want this, know you need it, but are utterly afraid to admit it even to yourself.
It’s similar to a child needing to be spanked. Women tend to be big children. And you wouldn’t need to be slapped if you consented to be spanked.
All kinds of stuff – like footage of Obama hugging radical Black Marxist Professors in College. Lately they’ve been playing Obama reading his book “Dreams from my Father”. Very instuctive. Also alot has come out about his Choom Gang of pot smokers in high school.
So Homos never abuse their sexuality – unlike those nasty Straights? In other words, they’re morally superior? Just like Blacks right Soak?
‘Zimmerman has a credibility problem.’
SO – DO – YOU.
LOL!
First I am accused of doing no more than copy/paste.
Then I am accused of having a credibility problem.
Does not compute! “They” have a credibility problem.
Yes. And they dress well and are generally neat.
The more you tell me, the cooler he becomes. You are helping him with the youth vote. Keep it up.
The blue planet earth is where evil goes in order to have a fighting chance. And like Lucifer posing as God, most of the “necessary” fighting is done in the name of pure evil.
Perhaps you might consider posting at least half as often as you do.
Since you’re somewhat of an intellectual spastic and not too bright that would benefit the blog to a considerable degree.
Start a hobby. Find somewhere to volunteer. You spend an awful lot of time here… which doesn’t make the world a better place.
Be the change you wish to see happen.
And clean your dishes once in a while.
Mrs. Soake
In the course of living in Oregon and working on a farm that was part family farm (straddling the line between a viable enterprise and a hobby farm) and part small commune/hippie crash pad, I’ve encountered breeds similar to Jim’s associates at the commune in New York. One striking thing about this subculture in Ashland is that it seems less viable and serious than what Jim described and is clearly much less viable than the average Amish farm. P2C’s point about the edifying effects of religion in these enterprises is well taken. I think a realistic understanding of sin, particularly sloth, helps keep religious communes (and family farms) on track where secular operations tend to lose focus on account of nebulous beliefs and an overly optimistic view of human nature. This isn’t a hard and fast rule, but it’s worth keeping in mind.
There are other, more pedestrian ways in which Ashland’s hippie farmers shoot themselves in the foot. Their marketing strategies, which are often reliant on farmers’ markets, tend to bog down in administrative quagmires and tests of ideological purity. It’s reasonable to eschew middlemen if a higher price can be gotten by running one’s own retail operation and the extra workload isn’t prohibitive, but the ideological inflexibility of farmers’ markets on this point is counterproductive and foolish. There are good reasons for middlemen to exist, prime among them that they allow producers to focus on production rather than sales. This is true in any sector of the economy. Forcing farmers to man their own stands during the growing season instead of hiring dedicated retail staff is ideological bullshit.
Another problem that Rogue Valley farmers have brought upon themselves is their over-reliance on wine grapes for sale to commercial wineries. Vineyards are arguably prettier and more fun to tend than many other crops (I’d say so), but with wholesale prices for premium wine grapes topping out at a about a dollar a pound, standalone vineyards are not commercially viable. That’s in a good year, barring the sort of late-season rain that deluged the Rogue Valley in the fall of 2007, which rendered large acreages of meticulously tended grapes commercially worthless. On the other hand, a bonded winery brings a bunch of regulatory headaches and fees that a vineyard doesn’t, and successfully marketing even good wines is a crapshoot.
A lot of people in Ashland seem to have the same sanguine view of communal living that The Guess Who promoted. This is nuts. So are its counterpart beliefs that the individual can thrive in total isolation and that the family is some sort of Shangri-La. Having such a facile view of human nature is foolish in the extreme. Problems will arise, so one should be prepared for them. Pretending that human nature is intrinsically good and only corrupted by social institutions does no one any good.
You spend an awful lot of time here… which doesn’t make the world a better place.
Is that your mandate: to make the world a better place? And you are trying to make CFN a better place? I salute you for your effort.
When it comes to politics why is “the lesser of two evils” consistently refereed to as “bullshit” on this site?
In everyday life people are always making choices on the basis of the lesser of two evils. For instance a woman may decide to stay with a male white supremacist who feels compelled to slap down down “his woman” instead of suffering financial deprivation. In fact, many on this blog – the absolutism of Wage Laborer comes to mind – seem to think anything less than “The Ideal” is a gradation of evil and thus unworthy, as if a strong line of delineation exists along the entire spectrum of good and evil in the first place.
And what about Supreme Court appointments? Would you rather have the “evil” Anton Scalia or the “evil” Sonia Sotomayor? Is that not a distinction and a gradation of evil that you’re either unwilling or unable to recognize? Are the decisions of the Supreme Court now beside the point?
Is only a “Philosopher King” worthy? (Somehow I suspect that many of those eschewing politics on the basis of partisan equivalency are actually right-wing plants seeking to demoralize the progressive base.)
The problem with politics in America is not just about the politicians; it’s also about pie-in-the-sky sophists doing their best to reenact Socrates of “The Clouds “seated on a perch, purporting to tread on air and look down on the sun in the manner of a God…caught unawares…gawking at the heavens, by a lizard who defecated into his mouth”.
Thanks, Buck Stud. TPTB are playing a game and I fully intend to participate. I have given up my purism and will gladly choose the lesser of two evils. Some good may even come of that choice, in terms of Supreme Court appointments.
Get off this site and don’t ever come back.
It’s amazing what great lengths and stretches some will go to in a rather lame attempt to discredit a man falsely accused.
Here are some facts, despite the National Inquirer mentality be proposed by those who wish to see him get the death penalty, that prove the point.
Zimmerman claimed the Trayvon “looked like he was on drugs or something”. Fact: they found THC in the kid’s blood. I am no Newt Gingrich who advocates that people who smoke pot deserve the death penalty (to the contrary, I favor legalization and even restitution for those who were victimized by this insane “war on drugs” to begin with) but when I used to do that some 30 years ago when I was 16-18 and thoroughly enjoyed that and those little dots that made you laugh and hallucinate “mescaline”, I was more inclined to sit at home and put on my head phones and trip out to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon and eat my skittles, not wander up people’s lawns and driveways with a buzz on. In an area where the crime rate is high enough to warrant a neighborhood patrol, that would be asking for trouble.
Photos taken immediately after clearly show Zimmerman’s nose was broke and the back of his head bleeding profusely, which support his claim that he acted in self defense. 2 screams heard prior to the point blank shot were not those of Trayvon, his father acknowledged. For a grown 200 lb man like Zimmerman to let out blood curdling screams like that again are proof that he thought he was going to get killed by this “kid” (who looks anything but weak or scrawny in the survelliance video). I can provide links of the photos wounds and where the father of Trayvon admitted quietly that the 2 screams were not coming from his son. According to the autospy physician, the shots were fired at point blank range, again indicating an act of self defense….that is, according to the coroner.
Now juxtapose that tragic situation with what is going on in the world right now. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/police-homeless-woman-snatches-baby-from-stroller-tries-to-eat-its-arm/ Homeless people trying to eat children.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/mom-with-stroller-testifies-in-detroit-rape-case/ A serial rapist who was acting in broad daylight tries to kill a fleeing woman whom he had just robbed and raped. I could find many more links to stories where most sane people would wish and hope that someone like a George Zimmerman was around to prevent shit like this from going on. Being a victim of a B and E will convert you overnight, believe me. Imagine being raped, robbed, and shot or having someone try to cannibalize your infant or child.
The cops are never around when you need them. Aside from being the ones who help management break strikes and evict people for the banks and usury money lending motherfuckers, they never were and never will be on the side of the average person. With their new preoccupation with hiding in speed traps in undercover SUVs, etc, trying to fine, fee, ticket, or otherwise steal as much money as possible from anyone and everyone they can in a totally vain, futile, and undignified effort to avert collapse, this situation will only get worse until these worthless jerks are finally laid off themselves because of chronic budget shortfalls due to an ever eroding tax base.
Point being, if the people who want to get along and be safe and live under sane conditions wish to do so, they will have to band together into armed neighborhood patrols, because the cops are too busy trying to steal money from people for speeding, selling lemonade without some expensive license or permit, etc etc. Zimmerman acted in self defense proving what will soon to be a common scenario, at least by those who act prudently and do not wish to become victims. The anti gun wimps will be cannon fodder for the mutants and thugs that are creeping around in droves out there. Neighborhood patrols stopping these would be felons in their tracks. I would be saying the same thing if Zimmerman was a black volunteer and shot a white kid or a Hispanic kid who was walking up lawns and driveways and peering into people’s homes.
Again, I am not happy anyone got shot, I consider myself a Native american, what others would call a red man, so there is no race card playing or baiting by me on this one. Just the facts. There is no credibility issue here, just one of common sense. Do not be a victim from anyone who wants to steal from you or do you great bodily harm. It’s common sense.
Much needed and neglected points AMR. Man is Fallen and the Religions know it.
Another way in which many back-to-the-land types in Ashland are living in the Land of Make-Believe is their inordinate faith in the barter economy.
For one thing, the barter economy simply will not keep a farm in one’s possession because barter can’t be used to make tax payments or, barring unusual private-party arrangements, mortgage payments. Cash flow is essential to prevent liens and foreclosures, at which point the erstwhile farmer will be reduced to scrounging what he can from the forest.
That isn’t so much living off the land as dying off the land. Occasionally one finds some rare bird who pulls it off, but it’s a hell of a tough life. Two draft resister brothers did it for several years after WWI, partly in the Applegate headwaters and partly in the present-day Kalmiopsis Wilderness; one of them surrendered because he hated the rugged life so, served a nine-month prison term, and then went back to the woods and talked his brother into surrendering. These guys got help when feasible from sympathetic relatives and friends, so it could have been even harder.
Ashland seems to be a place where a lot of people romanticize rugged types like the Fattig brothers, WWII partisans, and off-the-grid doomsteaders, usually without understanding the implications. My uncle and aunt live next to an unemployable dilettante who lives in squalor in a converted garage on his parents’ old property, where he claims to be working on perpetual motion machines but in fact sets up things including a DC home grid using a gasoline generator to recharge a bank of car batteries. He’d be on the street if my uncle and aunt didn’t let him squat there in exchange for very sporadic rent, usually paid in the form of medical marijuana. His most recent marijuana crop failed, and he’s too feckless to put up his own firewood supply from piles that my uncle and aunt have told him he can take. Last year, he went without propane for some time until a friend visiting from Hawaii took him shopping and footed the bill.
Petrochemicals are another thing that Ashlanders are hopelessly dependent on and that can’t be gotten for barter. Cars are another, although I understand that someone once exchanged a Volkswagen bus for a couple of barrels of pickles at the Country Fair, or at least tried. To listen to Ashlanders brag about their environmental consciousness, you’d think that they’re all car-free. They aren’t. Many of them are hopelessly dependent on cars, and some of them craftily blame the oil companies for high oil prices and global warming. They’re a rather self-important people, but not ones to look in the mirror too closely.
Successful farming is a reality-based enterprise, so it’s no wonder that they have such trouble hacking it.
Guess it didn’t take. Back to the Lies that you like so much.
It’s too bad the young man was killed. I’m glad that Mr. Zimmerman was not killed as well. Under Florida law it seems like he was defending himself. Whether or not he provoked the attack- it seems unlikely that we will ever know. As for the lack of common sense from those that post here, it seems like many people simply want to make themselves seem intelligent or important and they resort to commenting SO MUCH (Asoka.)that when they get the attention they are seeking they have to argue absurd things just to get more attention. The comments here have become a circus. The Chinese spam seems less and less annoying compared to the personal attacks that go on here.
I suggested a crash/Manhattan bomb/Apollo style effort to focus all remaining energy and resources into building a new economy that is based on sustainability rather than exponential growth and would allow americans to deindustrialize in conditions that are safe and dignified, but there are too many flagwavers and denialists and other tesosterone poisoned peawits that think the stars and stripes will last forever, that endless growth will resume after we elect another president, etc and unfortunately they will play the game until the military runs out of gas, literally. All people like us who know better can do is try to fashion your own lifeboat and be prepared to defend it. If anyone thinks the government is going to provide food, shelter, transportation, and security to some 260 million americans and do so almost overnight, just look back to their wonderful response to a localized disaster like hurricane Katrina. Don’t hold your breath when the USS America nose dives to the bottom thinking the government is on your side or will be there to help you
“It seems to me the evidence is pretty substantial that the unconventional natural gas sources now accessible in the US ARE indeed substantial. One hundred years supply? No, I doubt that, but 20 or 40 I do believe is extremely likely”.
What evidence? Have you actually read about how smaller reserves are being discovered and depleted faster because demand is still high and drilling technology has improved? That is one hell of a life threatening assumption to make, that we have enough natural gas to keep the joyride going for several more decades. Foreign natural gas is available, from countries that hate us or don’t trust us. Other countries have more or less locked into long term agreements with these countries in the middle east and Russia, which stands to be one of the next energy super powers, but only after bone head Bush supported hostile break away republics and “change we can believe in” Obama put some missile defense shield on their border, prompting them to go on full nuclear alert and agreeing in principle with China that “the US must be confronted militarily”. Oil exporting countries will be more than glad to see our great day of reckoning and will not come to our help. If this new “abundance” of natural gas proves to be a fart in a gale of wind, then kiss much of your electricity goodbye, your ability to stay warm in the winter, and without ammonium nitrate which is produced using natural gas, starve slowly at first and when the shelves get stripped bare and the food starts to rot, the riots, looting, and anarchy sets in. I wouldn’t be so quick to assure myself that there is some new abundance of oil, natural gas, or coal to buy us time. It is a gamble we acnnot afford to lose
I don’t think anyone who thinks Zimmerman acted in self defense is glad Trayvon was killed. Maybe the skin heads and kluckers, but they don’t like Hispanics, or Indians like myself. Suppose that young man was James Marshall Hendrix walking down a street in Seattle a few decades ago. We would not have had Jimi Hendrix, so the point is, we all have value and are supposed to have rights. I am very sad that things like this happen at all.
One of those rights is the right to live in safety, free of harm, and to defend yourself if attacked. I don’t think a 200 lb George Zimmerman would let out blood curdling screams like heard on the 9/11 recording unless he felt his life was in danger. When someone tries to break your infant’s arm off to eat it or robs and rapes you at gun point then tries to murder you when you flee, you will wish there were more George Zimmermans around because the cops have other priorities (trying to steal money from people from fines and tickets to try in vain to shore up collapsing levels of government, from the local, county, state, and federal level….they are all broke and will be from this day forward until they finally collapse,which can’t happen soon enough for me.
The point that he may have lied to lower his bail or whatever means nothing to me, as he never should have been charged in the first place. The judge and the prosecution down there seem like rank cowards and complete assholes. I am amazed the people of Florida are not showing more outrage over the attempted lynching of a man who acted in self defense protecting his community from someone on drugs who may well have been scoping out homes with his hood over his head to in a possible attempt to conceal his identity.
barneysgift, thank you for posting about me and naming my name. You are giving me exactly the kind of attention you say I crave.
I am curious, though, when you say: “they resort to commenting SO MUCH (Asoka.)that when they get the attention they are seeking they have to argue absurd things just to get more attention.”
Is there some set of rules that specify how much a person can legally post here and what the fines are for posting too much?
Have you been appointed CFN police and I just missed that?
One suggestion I have for you is to not give Asoka the attention he craves. The way to do that is to learn how to scroll and put Asoka into your “scrollover country” (tm anti soak) … do not read or respond to Asoka. Deny him attention and he may go away at the end of 2017.
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Several posts back, someone commented on the statue of York, a Black man who along with Rogers & Clark, traveled by foot & canoe over the Louisiana purchase which the US president Thomas Jefferson had aquired in 1803. York has no last name because he was a slave owned by Col. George Rodgers Clark. He did the dirty work, as well as helped pole the flatboats, hunt (of couse he had a gun!) and prepare & cook the game & clean up afterwards (later on, he had the help of Sacajawea, who also has been lately mentioned in the official narrative.}
It is good to hear that York is finally being acknowledged along with the other members of the Corps of Discovery. “Undaunted Courage” by Stephen E. Ambrose is a recent history of the expidition. It is also an interesting description of how a small band of men & one woman survived in a wilderness that none of the men had experienced before.
Exactly.
Just wanted to let you know I am taking a break from CFN and will be gone at least 15 minutes, maybe more.
I know some of you would prefer I leave CFN for 15 years and I find that funny. I’ve been following JHK’s for seven years…
His prediction of a 4,000 DOW: This could be the year. Really.
This could be the month, according to MessianicDruid. Really.
This could be the week. Really.
Next Tuesday at two p.m. Really. That could be the moment. Hope you are all prepared.
Tat tvam asi.
I totally agree. It is important for Asoka. to let CFN know that he is taking a break. Many would worry about him, yes, that’s true. I disagree with your idea that he is paid to post here, though. I think he just has a lot of time to spare, and this is his hobby. I have no idea what he does for a living. That would be interesting to know.
Prog,
Thanks for the apology. Always enjoy reading your posts. BTW can you tell me how to “reply” to someone. Haven’t figured it out.
LBennett,
you are one of the lights of this blog. I have been reading this blog for the past four years and have rarely commented. Actually someone on the left (I am an FDR liberal BTW) did call Obama the Messiah – someone on CNN I think. I did not vote for him as I researched his record. Horrific, ditto his wife.
I was the president of a statewide PAC for several years and have been involved in politics for over 40 years. But you’re right, neither party represents the people any more. Reading the Shock Doctrine, thanks to you, has opened my eyes even more.
Reading the Automatic Earth, this blog, and many others makes me realize the S could HTF any day, so I’m making like an ant.
I also want to thank Ozone, Widespread Panic, and many other posters for their continued interesting posts. I have learned a lot about peak oil and other things on this blog.
Loveday – I wish you’d come back. Also like Julietta of Ohio, despite her liking Vlad. And SJ mom. Wish Wage would come back.
Thanks, S.
I consider Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine to be the road map of where we have gone with this utterly evil form of global neo-feudalism.
Recently I wrote to Charles Hugh Smith and told him what I’ve said here. That Milton Friedman read Trotsky who believed in continual revolution internationally and reconstructed the precepts to invert communism. The Chicago School of Business has been adopted by all our think tanks but the Roosevelt Institute and run both parties, education and the civilian military (pentagon).
It is a war with military only intervening if we can’t control other counties.
As a population we have turned the other way and enjoyed our lifestyle while this was taking place, but now we’re gonna get the brunt of it too.
Catherine Austin Fitts describes this as mini-depressions going around the world in different places in different times, so these zero sum gamers can keep buying off the public domain.
Ya gotta wonder when people will stop borrowing and going into debt as this is the set-up for take-over.
I too am a progressive—it worked for many years here and now our leadership pretends that it’s socialism to scare the lumpen into voting for the vultures.
PS, Wage is doing well. We’ve been keeping up.
Is our monetization scheme a nuclear option?
Phew just checked out Zero Hedge and found a scary article. Former Goldman Sachs manager of client money Raoul Pal writes from his retirement from Valencia Spain his predictions for 2012-2013–this could be IT.
see: “The End Game: 2012 And 2013 Will Usher In The End” – The Scariest Presentation Ever?
Hey Senneth,
Regarding the apology – you’re welcome.
The open internet, viewed through the lens of CFN, always seems to be a id/ego-fest, with strong immature-male tendencies. Which means posters never reflect, never change their minds, and NEVER apologize – as we foam and flail and defend/attack mostly unknown others “To the Death,” without knowing all the facts.
Most of US and International politics has the same overtones – which is why I think larger numbers of women in leadership roles could not possibly screw up things any worse – and might make things better.
Regarding replying to specific comments, if MovableType is your login, simply click the word “REPLY” as found at the top of the comment:
– Senneth | June 2, 2012 4:51 AM | Reply –
“Loveday – I wish you’d come back. Also like Julietta of Ohio….. And SJ mom. Wish Wage would come back.”
-senneth-
100% concur, Senneth. Also, I’d add NetWorker, JackieBlue2U, CynicalOne, and several others. I’m glad to hear from LiBendet that Wage is OK. Now just resume posting as Wage2Laborer. hahohe!
“Where’s my spirit? In the context in which we’re speaking; ain’t got one. Why don’t you give us your definition of “spirit””
-x-
X, start with “the human spirit.”
What gets you out of bed in the morning?
What lets you hope or plan for a future?
What lets you relate to another human as something more than a bundle of meat and neurons?
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The Atheists seek to eliminate this “human spirit” from consideration. They seek to deny any possibility beyond the material world, meat, and neurons.
I consider this unnecessarily limiting, and probably unwise.
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Ozone, I think we’re talking past each other. You seem a reasonable type, more of an “atheist,” than an “Atheist.”
So many of my comments may not apply to you.
However, regarding unintended consequences:
Why is it that Communism seeks to destroy “The Opiate of the Massses?
Why do those who work for “the destruction of the West,” also work for the destruction of Christianity and Judaism?
What malign and powerful set of thoughts might fill the vacuum – otherwise occupied by religion, in many people’s minds?
Just asking, dude.
I’m out ’till late Sunday.
LB,
Here be the link to that:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/big-reset-2012-and-2013-will-usher-end-scariest-presentation-ever
Fun reading! ;o)
“Ozone, I think we’re talking past each other.”
-P2C
I’m sure you’re right.
…As to those other questions, I only have a guess about the second. The destruction of Christianity and Judaism would make way for the oh so enlightened rule of Allah, da truedat gawd of Islam. Then would come the REAL tough job of keeping them religious rebels in line. Good luck with that, minaret holler-ers. (I don’t think that would really happen; quite a complicated cultural metamorphosis.)
A big “I dunno” on the others! :o)
Have some fun as the clock goes ’round.
I plum fergit who recommended this excellent documentary (sorry!), but I’m putting the link up again. Very clear and well-researched. Warning: If you watch it you can no longer plead ignorance as to what the “game plan” is.
(BTW, I really despise sports metaphors regarding dire life-and-death situations and nefarious plots. Trivialization and meme-switching seems another public-opinion modifier, employed by “evildoers”. —Did Georgie think that one up all by himself?)
http://metanoia-films.org/the-power-principle/
If it doesn’t play well here, find parts 1, 2 and 3 [unsegmented] on youtube like I did.
The clusterfuck is not just an organic denouement, it’s partly a design.
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You still haven’t told us what you would have done had you had been in Harry Truman’s shoes. – rhino
Yes, I did, weeks ago… and I was very specific. – Asoka
Damn, I must have missed the grand event.
What I do remember is your quoting another man on the issue of the use of atom bombs on Japan. Just another cut and paste like you did earlier this week. And then your using his thoughts as an excuse for another one of your tiresome racist posts about “morally depraved” white people.
What I don’t remember is seeing any of your own analysis of the historical circumstances faced by Harry Truman. Nor do I remember seeing any of your own thoughts on how Harry should have proceeded.
OK, now please do condemn the Japanese for the millions of innocents they murdered, wounded and raped in the 1930s/1940s. And please do condemn the Mao and Pol Pot regimes for doing the same. We’re waiting.
Yes, I think the monetization is a nuclear option.
The tall foreheads occpying the highest perches at central banks, academia and at the highest rungs of the financial and economics professions haven’t got the wit or the wisdom to imagine anything else. They are clueless, bereft of ideas.
Interestingly, Raoul makes a suggestion that I also saw in Felix Salmon’s blog. Raoul says “CDS- Banned”. Felix says maybe banks ought to be stopped from dealing in credit default swaps.
Great ideas. That way, when there’s a cascade of bond defaults, govts (meaning taxpayers like you and me) won’t be in the absurd position of bailing out companies like AIG so they can pay off companies like Goldman Sachs to compensate GS for the collapse of bonds that GS doesn’t even own.
And it would force banks to manage credit risk ie get to know the people that borrow from them. Back to basics IOW.
Maybe a good idea to ban trading in other derivative products. 700 trillion out there in derivative contracts? The hell. What for? This is lunacy.
“(BTW, I really despise sports metaphors regarding dire life-and-death situations and nefarious plots. Trivialization and meme-switching seems another public-opinion modifier, employed by “evildoers”.
We’re everywhere….EVERYWHERE!!
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What lies, Slappy?
So should we just start calling you ” Slap Em Around Krandz”?
Or…
He’s a real go-getter; he drops her off at work in the morning and then goes and gets her…
Or…
She said “No” officer, but what she really meant was “Yes”…
You’re a walking,talking cliche, Slappy.
Oh you’ve never had the urge? Liar. And honest men know that women taunt men and try to get them to hit them – so they can feel superior and/or gain an advantage in divorce court. In other words, modern Women don’t deserve our correction. And being a prudent sort, I’ve been able to refrain. And of course the question always looms, Am I a good man? Would I be doing this out of simple rage? So refraining might be wise on these counts as well, things (laws, me, her) being what they are. I’ve never deflowered a girl of 10 summers plus 6 either, but a Man can dream can’t he?
You really are incapable of honest dialogue. You prefer slam dunks and cheap shots. I would love to hit you. I’d gladly match my animal strength against your art. I have little doubt that within half a minute I’d be sitting astride you and like Krishna against the giant wrestler – striking you again and again until the life airs left your body.
Your only hope would be plead for mercy in general and to admit that I’m not a White Supremacist.
Good grovel Prog. No Female immaturity around her. No siree. Just Yes Maam and No Maam for you. And apologies when they don’t like to be called Maam.
Destroy Judaism? Where? Later on under Stalin, after thousands of churches had been burned and tens of thousands of priests killed, there was some persecution of Jews. But pure Communism was founded by Jews, been supported by Jews (see the Jewish publications of the time) and been very friendly to Jews.
Obviously there is some conflict between atheist or merely ethnic Jews and religious ones. This can be seen in Israel today. But it pales in comparison to Communisms hatred of Christianity – which both camps of Judaism maintain.
Ozone seems like a fanatic to me – an anarchist perhaps. Hard to say since he hates to explain himself or tie himself down with labels. Everything with him is based on recognition of fellow travelers – winks and nudge nudge as it were. If you got to ask, you don’t get to know.
Of course, he love labels for people he doesn’t agree with – no problem at all.
Why bother? To you, whenever there is a conflict between Whites and Blacks, Whites are too blame. Between Whites and Jews, Whites are too blame. Between Men and Women, Men are to blame.
You are predictable and predictably wrong.
‘Catherine Austin Fitts describes this as mini-depressions going around the world in different places in different times, so these zero sum gamers can keep buying off the public domain.’
‘Rolling Depressions’ have been discussed since the 1980s or earlier. One area is doing well, another not so well.
With computers and super trading its ‘a new ball game, won increasingly by the 1%’.
Getting a bit Kinky, are you Slappy?
Continue to argue with the ‘Unicorn People’ here.
Cheers.
Picked up an interesting book from our little local library, published back in he 1940s, about Conestoga Wagons, those ‘prarie schooners’ you see in westerns and old shows like ‘Wagon Train’. My God, the work that went into manufacturing those things. They were made mostly around the Lancaster, Penn. area c.1750-1850, by German immigrants, as well as some English. Until the railroad appeared these wagons were the main way goods were moved around in the US. The authors comment on the commensurate skills and native mechanical genius the Pennsylvanians who made these vehicles possessed, which they also applied to making the fine Kentucky rifle, sturdy stone houses (many still standing) and functional but very beautiful furniture.
Here’s to hoping that some of these skills can be revived in the future if our economy continued to erode and the familiar ways of making living continue to disappear.
Last nite at work we had a couple hours downtime so I had a chance to read the Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily and London Financial Time cover to cover. The outlook is not good and I was struck at the level of pessimism in those pages. The bad news from Greece (and now Spain) just keeps coming back like a bad case of chronic malaria. China, Brazil and India economies are slowing down, and there are indications now that that rapid growth in China was overstated. I’m certainly no economist but the consensus seems to be that we are headed for some hard times this summer and maybe beyond that. I have to say that JHK is pretty prescient in his summary of Europe and the situation we find ourselves in.
–WSP7
–WSP7
“Here’s to hoping that some of these [olden-tyme] skills can be revived in the future if our economy continued to erode and the familiar ways of making living continue to disappear.” -WSP
Yessir!
Let’s also hope that future gimlet-eyed cult followers don’t get the idea that burning down the libraries would be a fine way to get that pesky science and learnin’ stuff out of the way of the brave new world….
Can we possibly imagine what the library of Alexandria contained in the way of hard-earned knowledge?
Which was which?
You know the scientific method, right Procon? Then, BY DEFINITION, thinking religiously is irrational. But here’s your intellectual weakness, Procon: Absolutism. You don’t seem to be able to see shades of gray. Religious belief IS irrational, but all that makes a believer is irrational when it comes to religion, but he could be extremely rational in other areas of his life. See what I’m saying?
Concerning spirituality, haven’t I said several times that one can be spiritual, while not religious? Spirituality is not dependent on a supernatural being existing.
Yes, we are nothing more than meat and neurons, but isn’t it awe inspiring that just meat and neurons can create spirituality?
Finally, if you’ve met snide and supercilous atheists, well, shame on them.
I’ll never understand why liberals feel about religion the same way Superman feels about Kryptonite. It really makes you look like you know something the rest of us don’t and that the rest of us are all on some kind of delusional trip. That is why a conservative will NEVER trust a liberal. I’ve said for years that the next civil war will be liberals vs. conservative and not any kind of race war like many believe.
Asoka, regarding the “morality” of dropping the A-bomb on two Japanese cities in WW2.
I’m sorry we had to do it.
But we all would be MUCH sorrier if we had not. I think I would have acted as Truman did.
What I mostly think about, when I consider this, is what would have transpired had the Axis built the A-bomb before we did.
Trust me, we wouldn’t be sitting here talking about it, because the United States would have been one coast-to-coast crater.
War is war, Asoka. Speak not to me of the “morality” of a bunch of people who were notorious for their deliberate cruelty to the prisoners of war, as well as for the denizens of the countries they occupied. Consider the Chinese “comfort” women, enslaved to be gangraped by Japanese soldiers.
Many military historians estimate that the Allies would have lost another 400,000 men had we continued to fight in the “conventional” manner.
As it was, we gave them the opportunity to surrender. Once and then again. They didn’t care enough about their own population to surrender after Hiroshima.
It’s awful that it had to be, and I will say that I’m completely opposed to any further use of atomic weapons, especially a “pre-emptive” strike.
But I’m not about to pass judgment on our leaders in 1945, when this country was exhausted from war, and when we had lost so much already…. and when we had an implacable enemy who would happily have killed every single last one of us.
I think the NDAA came about because it could, not because politicians know the end of the road is inevitable. The nature of power is such that it is insatiable and must always grow stronger.
Thank you for making my point.
Straight bashing now? Figure out who you are, what you believe, and which side you’re on.
My pleasure.
It would be easier to teach you Labrador algebra than to teach Asoka morality. For him, it’s all laid out a priori: Non Whites trump Whites in all cases. Look how he falls apart when it’s a question of conflict between Blacks and some other non White group. He automatically supports Blacks.
Oh I get it now. Week after week you hijack the thread and when you make an outlandish and reprehensible statement such as “you need to be slapped down” people are supposed to pipe down and let it slide? Well it doesn’t work that way: You made the statement now own up to it. Or are you now displaying some of that famous right-wing “personal responsibility” that conservatives are constantly going on and on about?
At any rate I don’t really think you want to hit me. Like a painter who seeks to visually modify a high chroma element that reads as an outlier in a painting by surrounding that element with even more high chroma, you seek to marginalize your ‘slap women down’ comment by pretending to want to hit a man. Give it up Krandz; I’m steps ahead of you.
And just what was it that Nastarana wrote that made you want to bitch slap her???
Liberals are just Marxists in the make. Moveon.com? Moving to the Left. Read Jonah Goldberg’s book on Liberal Fascism. They hated Nixon because he prosecuted the Communist Alger Hiss. All Patriotism is Fascism to these secret Fascists. How can a Nation continue when patriotism is condemned? What’s to stop Companies from exporting our jobs? Or bringing in illegals to take them? Patriotism and nothing but.
“Leonard Bernstein!…it’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine”
That list of product and gibberish reminds me of the line in that song.
She is Nasty. You are too, therefore natural allies.
In case you care, women abuse men just as much as men do women. But you don’t care. You are 100% behind the disempowerment of men – all so you can bathe in the admiration of Nasty and her brood. Once they get thru criticizing Men and Masculinity, there is nothing left. And they hate the emasculated dupes they have created.
Women don’t understand Masculinity and never will. But they need it. It’s our duty to oppose them for our own good, their own good, and the good of society. It’s your choice: be a Man or be a Male Bitch. You seem to be choosing the latter.
You are Evil and will be judged.
No. Religions use logic as far it goes and then go beyond it. Not irrational but arational.
I love sunsets and snow capped mountains too but guess what? They wont save you or uplift you at the end. You wont even be able to see them then. You need something which corresponds to the deepest part of you, something conscious, of the Spirit and not something material. After all, when you’re about to leave the material world – how can that world help you then?
Dean Soloman, I said I believed you knew something, not that I was convinced of it. I do think that the Tea Party (sic) is folks who have just realized they are not as important as they used to be.
The crudity, brutality and sheer selfishness of Vlad’s remarks is no surprise to many; we have been hearing it in our faces for these 5 decades at least. Thank you, Black Stud, for nailing that one; as you pointed out, the attitudes expressed have little to do with sex and everything to do with cold hard cash, as in how much a regular guy can manage to extract from the women he knows.
The game plan of many white guys of my (boomer) generation was to have a lot of fun chasing pretty women, and then seek out some plain girl to wipe their asses and support them in late middle age. It was assumed that such plain girls would have saved up their money, because they would never have been invited anywhere. This, Vlad is pleased to term a ‘social contract’. I know this because I heard exactly those sentiments expressed by youmg men.
It is now 40-50 yearsw later, and the air is full of the angry complaints of men without partners, ready to bring on WTSHITF so they can be important again. Dream on. This faction is one of the last hopes of the Republican Party and the conservative movement, and they conceivably could elect the Sociopath from Bain, knowing he is just arrogant and incompetent enough to wreck whatever is still standing. And then, the deluded fools imagine, they get to come stomping in and lay down the rules for all of the rest of us.
By whom? You?
Not libraries, many of us’ens in the Great Unwashed appreciate libraries, and not for movies either.
Burn universities instead. That’s an excellent place to start because of the people they produce.
What about the give away to ‘Uncle Joe’ of half of Europe when the war ended? what do you think of that?
Also, found this at yahoo-news:
But even countries with no territorial claim to the Arctic are being drawn to the region because, as the ice melts, northern shipping routes are opening between Europe and Asia that cut the distance between them by 40 percent.
A big player is expected to be China,
[duh, no sur-prize] which already has made overtures to Greenland and Iceland, seeking not just access to minerals like rare earths and energy but also ports as its extends its trade lines across the Arctic.
“Everyone is interested in the moves that China is making,” said Gunhild Hoogense Gjoerv, a political scientist at the University of Tromsoe……
“Black Stud”
A Freudian slip, or Buck is actually bu-lack?
There’s no such thing as “arational”. That’s like being “apregnant”.
When I leave this world, I’ll be dead and cease to exist, materially or non-materially. What’s the big deal about oblivion? Makes you scared?
And as I lay dying, I’ll think of Robert Heinlein’s poem:
I pray for one last landing
on the globe that gave me birth;
to rest my eyes on fleecy skies
and the cool, green hills of Earth.
If women wish to act like men, they get to be treated like men. Chivalry exists only when men are on top. Once equality is established, chivalry is by definition just submission and inferiority. (Attn Prog)
Let’s take the Ancient Greeks as our guide. When women with weapons appeared, they fought them. Or would you let yourself be killed? I doubt it. Here’s a beautiful image of Achilles killing the Amazon Queen. As their eyes met, they fell in love. Here’s a good image of the fight. Just google down a bit to see it.
http://www.lisahallwilson.com/2012/01/12/who-were-the-amazons/
Black Stud, what I said to Vlad was that nobody cares what he thinks, the one home truth he can’t tolerate.
You did notice the dig about allies, I imagine. Those good old days, when we white women were expected to be “good sports” about the crudest harrassment from white men, and pretend non-white men didn’t exist. We were also expected to not notice their brutal behavior and attitudes toward women of color. ‘Manners’ is what Vlad is pleased to term the vacuous insipidity instilled in, and expected of, white women of my generation. I don’t think Vlad has matured emotionally since about 1975.
Folks in their 40s, 30s and 20s won’t hardly let bitter boomers organize a charity drive; the notion that they might sit back and allow Vlad and his ilk to run an entire country is hilarious.
The Canadian cannibal is hiding in drag in Europe.
No joke. google it.
‘the people they produce’, unemployed people?
What ‘kind’ do colleges produce?
Wow, this is too bad, Nasta, I’ve always been attracted to older women, often much older. Most of the ones I’ve met weren’t so angry about ..nothing in particular. They seemed to have mellowed. Maybe the things you tell yourself about men often only exist in your head.
Everything you say seems to be a lament that you can’t be a bitch and be respected for it too.
Nonsense. You will think of the mistakes you made, you sins, and the people you hurt and loved. Not the things of Earth. Btw, I read that story – beautiful, but no cigar here. The Earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof. He will judge you and your deeds. Hint: throw youself on the mercy of the court.
a is a valid prefix as in amoral. alogical is occasionaly seen. arational is my own logical creation.
Touche old boy. A well played stroke and coup.
She just did it again! Freudian to the max.
Blacks rape women at seven times the White rate. That’s not 7% but 600%. Typically, Black Men rape 35,000 White Women a year as reported. White Men rape less than 10 Black Women as reported.
Your ignorance is complete. You are nothing but a Media Recording Device with a Loud Speaker.
He wishes he was Black btw. His soul is black with sin at least.
Perhaps if you had a daughter your outlook wouldn’t be so dated.
Go indulge yourself in the beauty, wonder and magnificence of a friend or family members very young daughter. Take her out and show her the moon and tell her God thought it was a cookie and now it is a half-moon. Laugh with her as she chases rabbits around the yard. And then fast forward 20 years and envision “Macho Man” slapping her around for her own good.
That is your assignment for the week.
One of the Marvel Heroes has come as a Gay and may be getting married. I hope you’re satisfied.
Many people commenting here are one good set of examples. Zero common sense and pompous as hell. I have an in-law who is a good example too. He knows how to do one specific thing, one speciality, but he is useless for any other practical thing; overeducated idiot.
I’ll ignore the lectures and put-downs about how ig’nant and lowbrow I am.
I’m beginning to like the common man(better term is needed)the more I see his opposite. After all, isn’t it the highly educated class that is making a mess out of the economy and everything else?
You really have a nasty mind to be fantasizing about beating up little girls. They’re innocent Buck. Let them be. Or do want to dress them up like little whores?
I get the awful feeling that I’m talking to maybe three people plus a lot of their puppets. I always get that feeling here. Maybe I’m just having paranoid delusions …again? ?
You may be paranoid, but I suspect that there are a lot of people who read and don’t comment here very often. I can’t stand the hatred for each other and the constant rabbit trails. Racism, gender wars, and homosexuality seem to be the main ones. I thought this was supposed to be about the problem of resource depletion and how to live in a sustainable way. I will keep reading to find information on those topics. Anyone know of any blogs that deal with the topic of living sustainably and getting prepared for the long emergency?
Hey Barney, It’s yada,yada,yada around here! 90 percent crap ( race, religion, etc.) and some good wheat with the chaff. Unfortunately the chaff is overwhelming the wheat!
@Barney–
I will probably keep reading it(blog)out of force of habit. But, I doubt I will keep leaving comments. The comments are far more depressing than the blog.
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Oh Magoo, you’ve done it again. Buck thought he had a slam dunk but ended up getting slamed and dunked into the basket himself.
Exactly as Christ said: the tares will overwhelm the wheat. But fear not, at the Harvest the tares will be separated and burned. Which are you? Those who know don’t. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Missing the job yet? I heard after the Vietnam War, some of the Vets were so addicted to adrenaline that they needed two POTS of Espresso just to get out of bed in the morning.
I recall that Eleuthero may have said that he used to be employed as a high school teacher, or a junior college teacher?
If one does a Google search of “high school teacher” AND “sex with student”, it appears that there’s an epidemic of sex between students and teachers in the U.S.
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I already did that, too. You don’t read very carefully, do you?
But I’ll do it again for you: I condemn Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Truman and anyone else who thinks mass murder of innocents is justified in war FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY GIVE.
And I condemn you and Laura and anyone else on CFN who justifies mass murder by saying “war is war” or “war is hell” or thinking war is beyond the pale of morality. Bullshit!
Nothing justifies burning thousands of babies alive by dropping an atomic bomb. Only a morally-challenged white person has gone that far in all of human history. No other racial or ethnic or religious group has dropped atomic bombs on civilian population centers, incinerating everyone indiscriminately.
Nuclear weapons are inherently immoral and should be eliminated from the face of the earth, regardless of who has them. I don’t want Blacks or whites or ANYONE to have them.
I don’t know how I could state this any more clearly. Rhino, you may not like my answer. You are free to disagree with me. But please stop saying I haven’t given you an answer.
MORE PROOF OF GLOBAL WARMING
Up and down the California coast, some communities are deciding it’s not worth trying to wall off the encroaching ocean. Until recently, the thought of bowing to nature was almost unheard of.
But after futile attempts to curb coastal erosion – a problem expected to grow worse with rising seas fueled by global warming – there is growing acknowledgment that the sea is relentless and any line drawn in the sand is likely to eventually wash over.
Vlad have you ever posted under the name of Anbar on another website?
Just as I wuz reading some good comments, the dang Chinese spam appeared.
Re:’Zero common sense and pompous as hell.’NAME NAMES.
What schools do is educate – indoctrinate. Sure the 1% controls the 99%, BUT ITS GETTING WORSE FOR US 99%.
Theres a good article at EMSNEWS-WORDPRESS, about
Bilderberger meeting, she notes in 50 years the NY Times has mentioned this group [gulp] ONCE.
Have you considered becoming a Minister and getting a church and non profit status?
You do have a sermon or 200 for us.
Excellent question, anti soak.
Why did so many give their lives fighting for years, only to have millions in Eastern Europe in the same situation at the end of the war?
The Soviet take-over of Eastern Europe was not complete until 1948, but it began before the end of the Second World War. Stalin won.
War is stupid and does not solve human problems. 5,000 wars in 3,000 years resulting in the world we have now should be enough proof that war does not promote peaceful co-existence.
Sock puppet cacophony? Less H8, M8 – all I can say is weak…
Banter abounds – in *MULTITUDES*. We’re all too afraid to challenge Paul R. Hill’s book, “Unconventional Flying Objects.”
And don’t expect *them* to save us – *they* just watch, monitor, and record…
Can Anyone Say, “Triple-Letter-Acronym-Club?” Hahaha. The *6-fig-stalka* got the best of yah, *ALL*.
Oops, left out our fav *MIDNIGHT OIL* link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPhIVHA5i-E
Thanks, Prog. I agree with you, wish those posters would come back. Just checking to see if this posts as a reply to you. 🙂
Yes, I have heard Catherine Austin Fitts saying that and it is really scary. My community recently had a presentation about privatizing public resources. At least some of the groups are talking about what could happen. It is scary.
Am off to read Zerohedge and that article you just mentioned.
Glad you’re back. Hi to Wage.
Mornin’ VK, yea I sorta miss the boys club. I’m workin’ harder now than when I was still there. At least when I was working I had two days a week to mostly sit around! I’m headed out Monday for 5 days of striper fishing at Horseneck Beach SP. Finally some relaxation! ;o)
For WSP:
“It’s exciting for me. There are a lot of people developing crafts, and I really think the time is right to help those people along, whether it’s structure, whether it’s financing,” he says. “The time is right.” -Mark Aspery, Master Blacksmith
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/03/154226599/blacksmiths-forge-a-new-kind-of-artisanal-future
I got a chuckle over what’s missing in this national petroleum radio piece. No one asked him why he feels “the time is right”. He might have told them something they didn’t want to hear. Thus the “fluffy” treatment. “Isn’t it cute that artisanal-crafty things are of renewed interest to well-heeled yuppies? …And that King Arthur and Camelot story; icing on the cuteness/quaintness cake, just to give it that right bit of gravitas-lite.”
It should be a requirement for every cult to either own or have as a member, a truly skilled blacksmith. (In order to secure their cult license, you understand; operating a cult without a license is a serious offense.)
RT,
You will be charged with the awesome responsibility of clenching a can/bottle of quaffage at most times (when not sleeping), and occasionally peering at/touching a fishing pole while ensconced at Horseneck Beach. (Check it out, it’s in the brochure…)
Enjoy, damnit! ;o)
RT,
Venus crosses the disc of the sun for 6 hours on Tuesday(?). Late afternoon?
No one living will observe this phenomena again. Next occurrence in 2117. #12 welding glass?
A regional link:
http://www.enterprisenews.com/lifestyle/home_and_garden/x1472858823/Looking-Up-Venus-crosses-the-sun
Interesting idea with the binoc’s. Should work equally well with a large magnifying glass. I’ll try it. (Keeping in mind that the shade of Venus will look to be about 3% of the sun’s disc.)
Wishing for a clear day…
Many military historians estimate that the Allies would have lost another 400,000 men…
And many other military historians disagree.
But based on a guess about the future (you used the words “estimate” “would have”)… they, and you, and others on CFN, agree the mass murder of infants, babies, and their mothers was “necessary.”
I say you are all wrong.
My position is this:
THE MASS MURDER OF BABIES, INFANTS, AND THEIR PARENTS BASED ON A GUESS, ON FEAR, OR ON “ANALYSIS OF WHAT “MIGHT” HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE” … IS UNCIVILIZED, BARBARIC, AND MORALLY WRONG.
Mo’ betterer!
http://www.nasa.gov/
Gonna be live coverage, no less!
So many CFNers are convinced voting doesn’t matter. Strange, then that the powers that be in Florida are convinced it does matter. Specifically, they want fewer Blacks and Latinos to have the right to vote.
In five Florida counties and other states, election officials have a history of such of egregious and creative efforts to suppress Black and Latino votes that any changes in voting–related policy or procedure must first be approved by the Justice Department or a panel of federal judges, Browne Dianis said.
Florida failed to get clearance for its purge or its methods to identify the people the state suspects are non-citizens.
Voting rights advocates have also pointed out the state motor vehicles database is an unreliable way to determine the citizenship of voters, because many people become citizens between license renewals.
Moreover, in an initial list of nearly 3,000 voters the state suspects are non-citizens, blacks and Latinos were disproportionately represented
What, oh what will we find for the poor chir’runs to do without their ubiquitous video games and omnipresent teevee to occupy their time and attention?
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Oh, the horror…
Well, enough frippery from this tiny corner of the intertubes; rave on KlusterKluckers!
Who are the Syrian Rebels who we intend to help and who have been lauded for months? Syria has a Sunni Majority ruled by a Shia minority – headed by the brutal Asad. So it is fairly safe to assume that the rebels are Al Qaedas and Al Qaeda sympathizers, just as in Egypt. We will be aiding and arming the Enemy.
Declining Nations are incapable of learning anything but only doubling down on their mistakes.
Do you know any good internet diploma mills? I love to preach the word to the heathen.
Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will do the ploughing for those who don’t. Of course someone who is already a slave might not care about a change in masters. And what you espouse is a slave morality, Soak. Shame on you. Hundreds of thousands of White Men died for your freedom and this is the best you can do?
Indeed my mandate is to make the world a better place. You should try it. When you are on your death bed will you be thinking, “I wish I had posted more often on Kunstler’s blog!”? Perhaps, but I doubt it.
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Why don’t you humor me and Laura and tell us again what YOU would have done had you been in Harry Truman’s shoes. Doesn’t have to be a long answer. We’ll accept point form. Part marks for not letting your answer degenerate into a moronic racist screed.
I also note that you freely and frequently condemn white people. Whereas you only condemn non-whites for their crimes when pressed. Why is this Asoka? Are you a low-down racist? Are you witless ideologue?
So why don’t you take the next step and condemn the Japanese for trying to do what the US succeeded in doing ie developing a deliverable nuke? Impress us with your elevated moral sensibilities.
Go ahead, we’re waiting.
But I’m not about to pass judgment on our leaders in 1945, when this country was exhausted from war, – Laura
Nor do I condemn them. I’ve read accounts where the estimates of total dead would have been 1 million if the US or its allies had to invade Japan.
Our family suffered grievously because of those fascist cockroaches and I put Imperial Japan in that category.
I’ve heard the stories from relatives that were in combat and I’ve seen the scars and seen the gravesites. And I would not have wanted to be in Harry’s shoes having to make that decision. It’s exceedingly easy to condemn from the safety of the intervening years since 1945.
One other thing: it makes me retch listening to a racist that makes it his business to incite racial hatreds adopt this prim and proper moral tone. Especially when his condemnations are all directed to “white persons”. Until he’s pressed to do otherwise that is.
As he says:
“Nothing justifies burning thousands of babies alive by dropping an atomic bomb. Only a morally-challenged white person has gone that far in all of human history.”
“Only a morally challenged white person” my ass.
Heard about the tens of millions of Chinese dead and wounded because of Japan?
Let’s all hear Asoka’s condemnations of atrocities by non-white people again. The first try wasn’t convincing. This time put your back into it.
asoka = an intellectual spastic.
I love it!!
War is stupid …Asoka the moralising racist
So what’s your point?
There are stories of young Soviet men that faced German tanks. Do you know what some of them did? They grabbed satchels of explosives, dove under the German tanks, blew themselves and the tank up.
So why didn’t they adopt this studious, morally elevated pose just like you?
Because they lived in the real fucking world. They’d seen the streams of terrified, exhausted Soviet refugees fleeing from ther Nazis and heard their stories of mass rape and murder.
So what you say? Unlike you, they didn’t have the luxury of philosophising about the futility of war. Especially seeing as they had vulnerable female relatives that would be brutalized and maybe murdered by the advancing Germans.
So these young Soviet men did, in the heat of the moment, what they figured they had to do.
So tell me Asoka (the morally elevated inciter of racist hate), what would you have done had YOU been in the shoes of those young men?
Oh you’re pretty clever I will grant you that. For example you never did answer my question about what made you want to slap Nastarana other than terming her “Nasty” thereby shifting the focus off of your statement.
But that’s what you do in order to emotionally navigate the world: Shift the focus. Instead of contemplating the life of a disenfranchised, white male recluse incessantly posting racist propaganda on the World Wide Web, you enlarge your perspective and shine the spotlight on the many “Other People” preventing Vlad Krandz from realizing himself. Gays, Mexicans, Blacks, Muslims, Jews, Women, Liberals,”Heathens” – these are the diversionary magnifications that occupy the horizon line of your mind, thus providing the shift-of-focus lever that the emotional coward always reaches for.
So go ahead and imagine yourself on the top rung dispensing wisdom, Anti-Soak’s “Pastor” if you will. But to me, you’re the quivering heap standing at the base of life’s pygmy step stool, too afraid to remove the thorn in your paw.
Take responsibility and look within; I know you can do it, Vlad.
IMHO, “clever” has nothing to it. “Sly” might be more appropriate.
This is the career path that those of shriveled mind, heart, and dick choose.
Military psy-ops, specializing in diversionary non-combat propaganda.
(Sorry for butting in. You’ve got it covered anyway.)
Blacks and Latinos are disproportionately represented because it’s Florida.
Florida blacks and Latinos=illegal Haitians, some Cubans, Dominicans, and god knows how many other Latin American and Caribbean ‘immigrants’.
Of course they are disproportionately represented because they’re the ones who often sneak in by boatloads. Florid has a huge coastline.
The same reason so many blacks are in prison; they are the cause of it themselves.
What about Maos killing of 70 million of his own?
What about 100? million female infants /fetuses
killed in forced abortions in Maoville?
What about the seemingly endless inter tribal wars in Africa?
I don’t want to slap Nasty. I said she needed to be slapped by a good man, one who loved her. Of course you subscribe to the bogus ethic of equality and don’t understand women at all, so you’ll never understand. And in my own defence, I did question my own fitness for such a hypothetical role. I might not be the right man to give a woman the loving slap that she needs. I might lose my cool, etc.
You really don’t detect the insane level of bitterness she has? Would you want to live with that? Can you imagine how much pain she causes herself and others, particularly any men who have to deal with her? In olden times, women were segregated during their period. The wise men knew their energy was unbalanced and harmful during this time. She is like that all the time, Buck. But for you, women are always right, and men are always wrong. That’s what being a male bitch is all about. I suppose it gets you laid, but at a heavy price to your soul.
Unfortunate, but when food supply cannot keep up with population growth…..infanticide is nothing new to human history. The earth has stretched its natural carrying capacity of 1 billion people to its artificially swollen population of 7 billion, which was brought on by the availability of cheap and abundant energy and large scale industrial farming that totally relies on inputs from fossil fuels….from growing, transporting, fertilization, and pesticides. That is all coming to an end, but the extra 6 billion people are already here, and the estimate of 1 billion sustainable may be overly generous because before, we had one benefit that also appears to be a thing of the past….a stable climate. When billions of people start to starve and resource wars accelerate, I am afraid more of the same will inevitable happen….drastic population control measures, mass genocide against the back drop of global warfare, cannabalism, misery and suffering beyond anyone’s present wildest and worst imagination
Now there is where you are wrong. By all accounts, the Japs were out of gas, starving, and a naval blockade would have forced them to surrender in a matter of months, as their best pilots were gone, their infrastructure in waste, and those living in caves on islands only had so much food. The truth the history books will not touch, like the JFK assasination, to name a few.
It was no “agonizing” decision for Truman to make that decision to drop the big one. They couldn’t wait to see what their new toy could do to humans concentrated in cities.
Not to stick up for the Japanese, let’s not forget the forgotten Asian massacre, or the stories from Phillipino co-workers who claim their parents saw Japanese soldiers toss infants into the air and catch them on bayonnets, along with mass rape and summary executions. They were not exactly angels either.
Yea O3, I’m all set for the transit. I was up at dawn in ’04 and took this shot:
http://spaceweather.com/venustransit/08jun04e/LaPlante1.jpg
It looks like tuesday is gonna be a washout. Everytime sumthin’ cool happens in the heavens aroun’ here it seems like it is cloudy. I was lucky in 04, the clouds broke right at sunrise! I even bought a new camera for this transit. Dammmmmmit
So you say? Unlike you, they didn’t have the luxury of philosophising about the futility
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Stop complaining, Rhino.
Soldiers volunteer whether I want them to or not. They claim they are protecting my freedom to philosophize, whether I want them to or not. And I am enjoying it.
It is a sweet deal for me that they do what they want to do, even though I will continue to fight to take away military opportunity for mass murder of civilians. I will continue to fight for the complete elimination of the military.
May the best man win… Actually, for me it is a win-win situation. Sweet!
They were not exactly angels either.
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Now the Japanese are best friends, so they don’t have a character flaw any worse than ours.
Guess that’s why we sent back a million of Easter European Freedom Fighters to Russia to imprisonment and death. We’re Free! Look, the current situation is not tenable. To most of the posters here, all patriotism is fascism (using your language). And they want to impose Leftist fascism. The solution? Real Fascism, American Style. It doesn’t have to bad – look at Franco’s Spain for example. But it will require sacrafice and some changes – changes that either the Leftists or Circumstances will force on us anyway. Do you really want to take your chances with Obama’s Home Guard?
So what you say? Unlike you, they didn’t have the luxury of philosophising about the futility of war.
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I like your post, Rhino. It has helped me clarify several things and it confirms that I am living in luxury.
Like you said, soldiers do what “they figure they have to do” … I think they are stupid to do it, but I’m just philosophizing in luxury that those same soldiers claim they are providing me. Sweet!
You do believe those soldiers are protecting my right to philosophize, right Rhino? So that’s what I am doing.
We are all happy, all doing what we want to do. Sucks for the stupid soldiers who swallowed the patriotic propaganda. Sweet deal for me. Thanks for helping me see this, Rhino.
what would you have done had YOU been in the shoes of those young men?
Rhino, I have answered this question in the past also, several times. You are wasting CFN bandwidth asking me the same questions over and over and then ignoring my answers.
I will answer your question again, just because I’m feeling generous.
First of all, the most obvious point is I would not have been in the shoes of those young men. I think all military service is stupid, I would never be in that situation, and I would never kill another human being if I was, which brings us to the second point.
Second, if I did find myself in that situation I would not engage in any kind of violent self-defense. I would not kill another human being. From my perspective the more honorable thing to do is to die. We’re all going to die anyway. We have no choice about dying. We can make a choice not to kill another human being.
Third, without entering into details, my life has been threatened several times, including in a war zone where soldiers were carrying machine guns. I have never altered my belief in nonviolent response in any of those life-threatening situations.
My life has been saved several times by creative, spontaneous and nonviolent response.
Any fool can cowardly hide behind something and shoot a firearm from a distance with the intention of killing an “enemy,”
who later are determined to be “friends” and trading partners.
It takes a little more intelligence and morality to respect the life of the other person, to insure no harm comes to the aggressor, and manage to have everyone come out alive. It takes more courage to be willing to die rather than kill in “self-defense.” The cowardly thing to do is to want to eliminate the imagined or real threat.
Peace does not happen because you kill enemies, or we would have had peace long ago. Peace is not the absence of violence, it is the presence of love.
It’s quite a feat actually to act morally, lovingly, and nonviolently in violent situations. And I am proud to say I have managed, through intelligent action, to avoid anyone getting killed in perilous situations, including myself.
No “combat basic training” in killing others was required. That’s for stupid and cowardly soldiers… who are armed to the teeth and itching to take out “enemies” … all on the taxpayer’s dime.
Nonviolence training was required to understand why it might be necessary to sacrifice one’s own life without engaging in violent retaliation. Nonviolence training saved lives and didn’t cost the taxpayers anything.
Vlad at rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2NOQ0P4t8&feature=related
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Derby had lined up a move for the highly-rated Wilson as they looked to appoint a new director of football at Pride Park.
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However, Rams boss Nigel Clough was thought to be unhappy and adverse to the appointment of a director of football to work alongside him.
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“We have to have concentration levels like never before to beat them.”
“United are not unbeatable, we’ve seen that. They are formidable and we have to be at it, firing at 100 per cent.
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“It’s a brilliant story that any youngster should read. He’s been a real success story. He’s a dangerous player and going to United has not affected him.
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Alex Dunn can understand reservations over Roberto Di Matteo’s future but feels he deserves a chance.
“If we can create one or two sniffs (of a goal), then Darren will be in there.”
McLeish was resigned to losing Young to United shortly after he replaced Gerard Houllier in June and is not surprised at how quickly the player has made an impact with the Red Devils.
When asked if he faces a struggle to retain the services of Bent, McLeish said: “I don’t think so. I’ve not heard anything. As far as I’m concerned, he’s here for the long run.
He said: “Someday a Villa team will beat United at home. I’ve got to believe it will be us and the players have to believe that too.
McLeish said: “Ashley is a great player. Reading his story was fascinating about how he was discarded as a youngster and had the determination to make himself a top pro.
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Ashley Young and Stewart Downing – the main creators for Bent during the second half of last season – departed Villa in the summer but McLeish is confident the former Tottenham player will remain.
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“We need him. He’s a terrific finisher. Sometimes he only needs one chance. That’s the value of someone like Darren Bent.
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“If there was any chance, I would have tried because you don’t want to lose the top players.”
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Nike released the first design of its instant-classic line of Air Jordan sneakers on September 15, 1985. On October 18th of that year,jordan shoes sale, Stern officially barred Michael Jordan from wearing his signature kicks during games. Stern wasn’t just being an arbiter of fashion, though. He banned the shoes because their vibrant red-and-black color scheme didn’t match the shoes and jerseys that the rest of Jordan’s Chicago Bulls teammates were wearing.
If anyone could defy the most powerful commissioner in American sports, it was Jordan. His Airness continued to take the court in Air Jordans. Stern responded by fining Jordan $5,000 for each game he wore the shoes. A $5,000 fine sounds like pocket change in today’s NBA,new jerseys wholesale, but over an 82-game regular season it would add up to $410,000 in fines against Jordan’s salary of $630,000.
Recently a British fishermen accidentally catch to a one hundred million year old fossil oysters, its volume is 10 times that of ordinary oysters, allegedly, which may be in possession of a giant pearl.
According to reports, the oyster fossils are salvaged by the fishermen fishing in England Solent (the Solent), its maximum width of 18 cm, a thickness of 8 cm, 10 times the volume of the common oyster.
The oysters had been sent to the UK for testing, allegedly, which contains a pearl, pearl may golf in general. formal dress
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Even if it hurt
no flash tears
I know I have a pair of invisible wings
fly with me fly
desperate
not think they have the beautiful sun
I see
sunset each day there will be changes
I know I have a pair of invisible wings that take me flying
I hope I finally
see all my dreams come true
chasing young
voice singing
I finally look forward and not afraid of flying
where there will be wind
takes me
; invisible wings
; Let the dream last forever
; ; to stay a wish
; ; my own imagination
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I am very much enjoying the posts of Vlad Krandz.
A few more like him around, and there is strong hope for the White Europeans.
I am a big fan of Jim Kunstler, his views on architecture, and especially his writing and manner of expressing himself. Or let me say I love hearing him riff…
One of my happiest several hours was reading his “Home from Nowhere” on a plane flight over western America from California to Iowa. I rarely fly on planes. But I always want to think the loftiest thoughts while up there, and prayerful thoughts for the nation below. Reading Jim’s “Home from Nowhere” (and “The Geography of…” on a different flight) made both things easy.