KunstlerAd


Now at Booksellers Everywhere

World Made By Hand 3

HistoryoftheFuture_Jpg_small

Battenkill Books (autographed by the Author) |  Northshire Books | Amazon



Laughs Abound

Eleven year old Jeff Greenaway is in love and on the loose in Manhattan circa 1962.
This book will crack you up.
For adults.

Sheer antic delight” — Remsen Pilchard

Amazon 


Manhattan Gothic Print | Kindle | Kobo (Digital) | Barnes & Noble (Digital) Readers: if you would like a print edition of the book we ask you to patronize the CreateSpace store because they give us a better royalty than the Big Boys, Amazon, et al, and we writers need to make a living.


JHK’s novella about a boy in New York in the 1960s. Paperback – $8.00 E-book – $2.99 Click to Buy


 


Recommended by JHK Rollicking and smart! fuck art thumb  Print (Actual Book) Amazon Kindle - Barnes & NobleKobo F*ck Art Let’s Dance FaceBook Page


 


Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide

     The Federal Reserve answers only to God, but Ben Bernanke’s must not have known that his boss was such a prankster. All of a sudden here is the interest rate of 10-year Treasury paper rising like an angry carbuncle on Ben’s pale tuchus just when he thought he could sit back and watch the mud wrestling contest between Larry Summers and Janet Yellen.

     Poor Ben, sedulous student of the Great Depression, who didn’t notice that the country had changed from a nation of farmers and factory workers to a nation of pole dancers and waiters, now awaits his sublime moment of Hooverization. Like poor President Hoover, he gets to hang around the pilot house half a year after he runs the garbage barge of US finance aground on the shoals of wishful thinking and accounting fraud.

     Everyone who has to pay attention to the order of things in the universe — meaning those not stewed on crank or drank, or waiting on line for a SNAP card, or leafing through the tattoo catalog, or waiting for a Kim Kardashian gangbang guest shot on Duck Dynasty, or lost in the alt reality of their cell phone — is suddenly very nervous about the order of things in this little corner of the universe. Sag Harbor is starting to live up to its name and down along the Hamptons the tide has gone out to feed a Tsunami of margin calls that soon will give the phrase “under water” a whole new life in the twisted mythology of capital. The immortal Bill Gross even sent out an SOS on Twitter at the end of the week. No wonder folks have got the heebie-jeebies.

     The fear is that the central banks have finally lost control of a situation that they have only pretended to control since 2007, when the grotesque racket of mortgage re-bundling caused a psychotic break in the banking system. The prescribed therapy for that was half a decade of ZIRP and maxing out the national credit card. The ugly truth now emerging through this fog of psychosis is that the bond market probably can’t be saved, and without it all other paper markets are toast, including the stock markets and very possibly the entire fiat currency system.

     In the background, of course, is the energy melodrama. How can anybody with half a brain suppose that the late turbo-industrial economy could “recover” with oil priced at $107 a barrel? Anyway, all the “recovery” memes floating around the collective media zeitgeist are based on a handful of doctored and massaged GDP numbers universally known to be false. In short, the USA can’t run the current setup on oil over $100 a barrel and has been trying to compensate for that basic fact by lending itself money. So has virtually every other advanced economy, and now they are all in trouble so there is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide — and for us, nowhere to export our financial quandaries to.

     Japan is the most interesting corpse in the pathology lab. It shot its wad twenty years ago and has been self-cannibalizing ever since. It has no oil or gas of its own, and now it has a runaway nuclear meltdown that is getting only slightly less attention than its financial meltdown. I used to think that Japan had no choice except to go medieval. Now I wonder if there will be anything there in ten years but a depopulated archipelago of steaming radioactive kelp. They can’t possibly buy more US treasury paper and must desperately need to dump their accumulated holdings, and when they do they will start a financial chain reaction that will flense the pretense of value from all the world’s sovereign debt paper. It may already be happening.

     If you prepare for anything, prepare for a world without financial pretense. Credibility is caught in that riptide developing off the Hamptons. When the water goes out, all you will see is ugly things wriggling in the mud, and when the water comes rushing back in again, all you will see is a spectacle of drowning bankers. The only higher ground to go to will be your local community, if you have one, and even there it will be a struggle to make sense of what has happened to the world.

 

Mehetabel_cover_thumb
My new book will crack you up. Git one (Click)

 

 

About James Howard Kunstler

View all posts by James Howard Kunstler
James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

761 Responses to “Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide” Subscribe

  1. K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    “If you prepare for anything, prepare for a world without financial pretense.”

    Not to hard really, a world without money we won’t have to prepare for. It is just going to happen. There is no option.

    K-Dog

  2. lsjogren August 19, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    I don’t agree that there’s any prospect of a local community that people can retreat to. With the possible exception of a handful of Unibomber types, we are all inextricably tied to the techno-industrial complex and when it unravels we are toast. The Unibomber types may survive an extra couple months or weeks shooting squirrels until their ammo runs out. Then they too are done for.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 10:20 am #

      The extreme interdependency of community is unrecognised by those who entertain the romantic notion of a community of mountain men surviving by roughing it. We are inextricably tied to the techno-industrial complex as you say.

      It someone publishes a racing form for the long emergency I’ll buy. But the nags that are going to run the long emergency race are going to fly out of their starting gate unknown virgins without a past. Nobody really knows what’s going to happen. Just knowing it is going to be bad does not rally say anything.

      Who will win place and show may not be a favourite. Shit happens. It would be better to face up to the reality of the long emergency than gamble on rumour but that appears to be the more popular choice.

      Most stand in the betting line waiting for the last minute to buy a ticket before the long emergency para-mutual window slams down. They want to see what everyone else is going to do first.

      Races always have more loosers than winners. A better strategy than that is needed to win.

      • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 10:21 am #

        Should be – really say anything. :)

        • hineshammer August 19, 2013 at 11:58 am #

          Should also be losers, not loosers.

      • ozone August 19, 2013 at 10:38 am #

        “Who will win place and show may not be a favourite. Shit happens. It would be better to face up to the reality of the long emergency than gamble on rumour but that appears to be the more popular choice. ” -K of Dog

        Excellent point!
        I believe it’s why we’re now seeing a race (by the supposedly omniscient overlords) to get a stranglehold on all the “future earnings” (read: the entire populous) before the institutions of state control implode and the swarming masses escape their cages.
        Then we’ll finally get what Mr. Rumsfeld was talking about when he blurted the now-infamous: “Freedom is messy.”

      • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 11:18 am #

        the long emergency para-mutual window slams down.

        It’s pari-mutuel

      • Karah August 20, 2013 at 11:59 am #

        The extreme interdependency of community is unrecognised by those who entertain the romantic notion of a community of mountain men surviving by roughing it. We are inextricably tied to the techno-industrial complex as you say.

        This made me think of an example in the form of Louis and Clark expedition. Kunstler wrote a book I haven’t read supposedly spoofing this ambitious trek through our massive wilderness.
        The trip has been romanticized beyond recognition. So, if you get a chance to really read or watch a documentary about what REALITY was like back then for this group of men (the group doesn’t get much attention for all the work they put in) do it immediately. It’s a miracle they survived the journey. The miracle came in the form of an educated woman, bilingual and civilized whose name is often mispronounced because her language is almost forgotten and not formally taught in schools.
        She could not extricate herself from her people in order to become part of Louis and Clarks world. In fact, I guess one of them, I forget which one, became so depressed from the extreme differences in culture that he committed suicide. He might have fully realized upon reaching home and all its comforts and gentility that her way of life and the life of her people, her nation, could never coexist with his. It must have broken his heart as it has broken thousands of peoples hearts since then right up to now as people are trying to figure out what ancient people already know.

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

      ‘ local community [s]‘ are being destroyed by Obama, the UN, Section 8, illegals.
      The US population has increased by 35? million since year 2000.

      NOT SUSTAINABLE ‘GROWTH’. CANCEROUS.

      • HARM August 19, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

        I wasn’t aware that Obama and the U.N. have been running the country since 2000. I seem to recall a Mr. Bush and Cheney, but… as a freedom-loving conservative an American I have poor recall.

        • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

          They work for the same banksters. Remember the famous Rothschild quote?

  3. Neon Vincent August 19, 2013 at 10:03 am #

    “In the background, of course, is the energy melodrama. How can anybody with half a brain suppose that the late turbo-industrial economy could “recover” with oil priced at $107 a barrel?”

    The American economy as currently structured can’t go back to what it was in 2004, let alone 1999, and it shouldn’t. Time to contract to cities and their inner-ring suburbs and let the outer sprawl turn into the slums of the future. Unfortunately, people are doing all they can to maintain the status quo at all costs and this includes fracking and tar sands. Both of these energy sources exemplify the saying attributed to Stalin, “you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs,” and both of them break lots of eggs. People are objecting to the eggs being broken. Maybe if they think harder, they might decide against the omelet, too.

    Here in Michigan, Enbridge is still attempting to clean up its spill of tar sands oil from three years ago. They’re screwing it up, too, resulting in lawsuits and the EPA telling them to hurry up and do it the right way, not the Enbridge way.

    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/08/enbridge-denied-extension-on-clean-up.html

  4. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    The Federal Reserve answers only to God

    So maybe Nietzsche wasn’t so prescient afterall; God is not dead.

    • Anotherplayaguy August 19, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      Does not follow. God is dead
      To no one answers the Fed.

    • Karah August 19, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

      Who oversees the Federal Reserve Banks?

      Externally, the safeguards include congressional oversight, directly and through the General Accounting Office, and statutory controls. An additional level of external review is provided by the public through the opportunity to comment on all significant Board proposals. The internal safeguards include oversight by the Board of Governors and Reserve Bank boards of directors through various means, including use of the Board examiners and Reserve Bank internal auditors. Finally, the Federal Reserve itself imposes restrictions upon the conduct of its employees–restrictions intended to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

      From Standards Related to Priced-Service Activities of the Federal Reserve Banks, issued 1984.

      Since 1997, an external audit firm has performed an annual audit of the combined Reserve Bank financial statements and the financial statements of each of the twelve Reserve Banks.

      –http://www.federalreserve.gov/paymentsystems/pricing/faqs2.htm

      Kunstler should be our representative to comment on Board proposals.

      When might the Federal Reserve Board request public comment on a priced service?

      The Committee on Federal Reserve Bank Affairs (Committee) has considered guidelines that could be used by Board staff and the Committee as input to their assessment of whether a proposal related to Federal Reserve priced services should be subject to public comment before adoption. These guidelines help ensure greater consistency in interpreting the Board’s pricing principle requiring public comment “when changes in fees and service arrangements are proposed that would have significant longer-run effects on the nation’s payments systems.”

      Public comment on matters related to Reserve Bank priced service should be requested in the following circumstances:

      1. The Board proposes changes to its pricing principles.
      2. A Federal Reserve Bank plans to enter a new priced service line or significantly expand or modify an existing service line.
      3. All Federal Reserve Banks plan to withdraw from a current service line.
      4. The Federal Reserve Banks plan to recover less than the short-run average variable cost for a service line over an extended period.
      5. The Reserve Bank’s planned action is likely to have direct and material adverse effect on the ability of other service providers to compete effectively in providing similar services due to differing legal powers or constraints or due to a dominant market position of the Federal Reserve deriving from such legal differences.
      6. The Federal Reserve proposes a significant modification to the methodology for calculating imputed priced services costs or revenue.
      7. The contemplated action would (or is intended to) result in a significant long-term structural change in the payments system.

      From Guidelines for Requesting Public Comment on a Federal Reserve Priced Service, issued 1995.

      ****

      Press Release

      Release Date: December 19, 2008

      For immediate release
      The Federal Reserve Board on Friday adopted revisions to its Payment System Risk (PSR) policy that are designed to improve intraday liquidity management and payment flows for the banking system, while also helping to mitigate the credit exposures of the Federal Reserve Banks from daylight overdrafts. The Board has spent several years reviewing long-term developments in intraday liquidity, operational risk, and risk management in financial markets and the payments system, including the increased use of daylight overdrafts at the Federal Reserve Banks and increased Fedwire funds transfers late in the day. The Board published a consultation paper on these issues in 2006 and proposed major changes to the PSR policy in early 2008.

      Based on the comments on the proposed changes, the Board adopted changes to the PSR policy that are substantially the same as those proposed for comment. The revised PSR policy will adopt a new approach that explicitly recognizes the role of the central bank in providing intraday balances and credit to healthy depository institutions predominately through collateralized daylight overdrafts. To avoid significantly disrupting the operation of the payment system and increasing the cost burden on a large number of institutions that incur small amounts of daylight overdrafts, the Board approved a voluntary collateral regime that would encourage the pledging of collateral to cover daylight overdrafts by providing collateralized daylight overdrafts at a zero fee and by raising the fee for uncollateralized daylight overdrafts to 50 basis points (annual rate). The Board also sought to minimize the effect of the policy changes on institutions that use small amounts of daylight overdrafts and approved a substantial increase in the biweekly fee waiver to $150 from $25.

      In addition, the Board approved changes to other elements of the PSR policy dealing with daylight overdrafts, including adjusting net debit caps, streamlining maximum daylight overdraft capacity (max cap) procedures for certain foreign banking organizations, eliminating the current deductible for daylight overdraft fees, and increasing the penalty daylight overdraft fee for ineligible institutions to 150 basis points (annual rate). The implementation of the revised PSR policy will take effect either in the fourth quarter of 2010 or the first quarter of 2011. A specific date will be announced by the Board at least 90 days in advance.

      The Board also approved for eligible foreign banking organizations an interim policy change. The interim policy relates to the calculation of the deductible amount from daylight overdraft fees under the existing policy, which will be discontinued with the elimination of the deductible under the revised PSR policy. The interim policy also allows for the early implementation of the streamlined procedure for max caps, which will remain under the revised PSR policy. The interim policy change for the deductible and streamlined max cap procedure will be effective on March 26, 2009.

      Lastly, the Board endorsed a four-prong strategy, which includes these policy changes, through which the Federal Reserve and industry will address related intraday liquidity, operational, and credit risks in the wholesale payment system. Industry and Federal Reserve efforts are ongoing with these initiatives.

      To assist depository institutions in assessing the impact of the revised PSR policy on their institution, the Board has created a simple fee calculator that will allow institutions to estimate their new daylight overdraft fees. The fee calculator is located on the Board’s website at https://www.federalreserve.gov/apps/RPFCalc/.

      The Board’s notice is attached.

      Federal Register Notice: TEXT

      2008 Other Announcements

  5. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    ^ Ummm…this freak doesn’t need a community that abides, it needs a community that abilifies.

    • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 11:27 am #

      Now that’s a good one, you sly old devil you! There’s no way that post coincidentally lines up under the other.

  6. Skye August 19, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    I don’t know, Mr Kunstler. Yes, the whole monetary system is stuffed but I think we will get along. I imagine the current morrass will just roll over and keep going. I don’t know how — maybe the military will take control, or the powers that be will take over the military and then take over. Perhaps more civil liberties will go. I really don’t see a complete meltdown, nuclear war then medieval life.

    Best wishes,
    Skye

  7. Neon Vincent August 19, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Wow, three words, each an explicit cause for banning. Trying to set a record for banning and deletion here?

    I post on other communities where the traditional response to such a comment is to post recipes. I just happen to have some.

    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/05/jello-shots-for-narb.html

    Drink up!

    • James Howard Kunstler August 19, 2013 at 10:40 am #

      He’s banned.
      –JHK

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 11:56 am #

      Wow, three words, each an explicit cause for banning. – Neon

      I missed it. Who was it and what did he/she say?

      I’ll guess it was Misty and he said a word similar to fuckturd and the word that precedes Second. And lastly, I’m guessing, would be some silly disparaging way of writing Republicans or Democrats.

      • Neon Vincent August 19, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

        It was not one of the regulars; just some one-off account. Also, I’m not going to repeat what they wrote because it might get me banned. No thanks! However, the first word was just that. The second word was one that JHK specifically said not to use. The third word was one of a class of words JHK said he didn’t like–an insulting and vulgar nickname for a political party. I leave the specifics to your imagination and memory.

  8. benr August 19, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    According to the trolls at msnbc who cheerlead ofr obomanible everything is going just great!
    Suddenly the entire economy is based upon the stock market.

    • ozone August 19, 2013 at 10:51 am #

      Are you suggesting that it ISN’T??
      Damn, more conventional wisdom, down the crapper!
      ;)

  9. ozone August 19, 2013 at 10:26 am #

    Jim sez:
    ” Poor Ben, sedulous student of the Great Depression, who didn’t notice that the country had changed from a nation of farmers and factory workers to a nation of pole dancers and waiters, now awaits his sublime moment of Hooverization. Like poor President Hoover, he gets to hang around the pilot house half a year after he runs the garbage barge of US finance aground on the shoals of wishful thinking and accounting fraud.” -JHK

    I think the whole essay is a coloring-book outline of the fix we’re in. All the crayons represent ‘time-of-happening’ for coloring in the rest. (How they’ve kept this scam of “borrowing against future earnings” going is a wonder to behold.) I’m sure da Fed is hurriedly cobbling together some other baling wire and duct tape machinery in the back of their garage to keep it all going until some black swan or other finally lowers the headsman’s axe, putting paid to the whole construct of shenanigans.

    (BTW, “flense” is a fine word for the non-squeamish. ;) I had guessed from the context that it was a combination of flush and cleanse, but it’s actual meaning is much starker and apt.)

    • beantownbill. August 19, 2013 at 10:58 am #

      I learned the meaning of that word from reading Moby Dick, where it was aptly used.

      • ozone August 19, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

        I’d forgotten, as 4th grade was a long time ago, and I haven’t seen the word since. (Even then, the darkness of it was inescapable; I thought I was in for a simple ripping yarn… oopsie.)

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

      BTW, “flense” is a fine word

      “Carol” will use it a half dozen times before the week is out.

      • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

        No, I prefer flay to flense. Wasn’t there a Hollywood madam named Flense?

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

      pole dancers and waiterS, W ‘ink’ [tatts].

      Last count, 100+ million on food aid.

      Oh, Border agents noticed a lot more ‘refugees’.
      There may be nowhere for Merikakkkans to run, but for Mexicans:

      Taxpayers Foot Bill for Illegal Alien Hotels as Asylum Claims Rise
      In recent weeks, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has seen a surge in the number of illegal aliens from Mexico claiming asylum. In fact, the Department is allegedly experiencing such a high number of requests that it is paying for the illegal aliens and their families to stay in hotels while processing centers figure out how to cope with the sudden influx. (Fox News, Aug. 12, 2013)

      According to documents obtained by Fox News, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — the agency charged with enforcing federal immigration law — has been paying for hotel rooms for dozens of these recently arrived illegal aliens in the San Diego area at a cost of roughly $100 per night. (Id.) Illegal aliens that were not brought to a hotel were reportedly released to addresses in Texas, Florida, and New York. (Id.)

      Although the number of Mexican asylum seekers has been on the rise since 2011, the influx is nonetheless unusual. Indeed, Mexico does not even rank in the top 10 asylum seeking countries based on nationality. In 2012, the leading countries of nationality of persons granted asylum were China (34%), Egypt (9.8%), Ethiopia (3.8%), Venezuela (3.7%), and Nepal (3.3%). (See DHS Refugee and Asylee Data, 2012) Nationals of these five countries accounted for over half of all persons granted asylum. (Id.)

      These figures have left many wondering whether the increase in Mexican asylum seekers is nothing more than a coordinated effort to overwhelm the system. “This clearly has to have been orchestrated by somebody,” said former U.S. Attorney for Southern California Peter Nunez. “It’s beyond belief that dozens or hundreds or thousands of people would simultaneously decide that they should go to the U.S. and make this claim.” (Fox News, Aug. 12, 2013)

      The sudden increase in Mexican asylum seekers may be due to the Obama Administration’s recent publication of a revised Q & A for asylum seekers on the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) website. (breitbart.com, Aug. 12, 2013) In particular, the webpage lays out guidelines for how to obtain asylum, making clear that the phrase “credible fear” is key to winning any claim. (See USCIS Website, Questions and Answers: Credible Fear Screening, June 18, 2013)

      Asylum is granted to aliens who are either already physically present in the U.S., or who arrive at a U.S. port of entry, who prove they have a credible fear of persecution in their home country based on race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. (See INA § 208; see also USCIS Website)

      • HARM August 19, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

        “Last count, 100+ million on food aid.”

        The vast majority of people on SNAP/food aid are American citizens, many of whom HAVE jobs but are unable to pay basic expenses like food, rent, utilities and med insurance with their $7.25/hour WalMart jobs –or even working two FT WalMart jobs..

  10. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:29 am #

    Skye, I’m glad you mentioned the nuclear weapons. The reactors get considerable airtime, and rightfully so, in talk of collapse, but it’s been my observation that nuclear weapons get overlooked, and are seldom mentioned. JHK doesn’t mention it much. Imagine medieval armed not with Trebuchets, but nuclear weapons and one can see how a world made by hand would be short-lived if it was realized at all. It would look like something out of Beneath The Planet Of The Apes where the ignorant apes attack the bomb (the more advanced underground society’s god) and Heston (Taylor) finishes it all off:






    • Smoky Joe August 19, 2013 at 10:53 am #

      Perfect video clip, Carol. Heston’s Taylor was such a punk, willing to kill the few apes who helped him along with the rest of the world, when he didn’t get his way and his mute girlfriend caught an Ape’s bullet.

      I’m not so worried about a massive nuclear exchange, in the case of a collapse. After a few years without maintenance, the bombs would no longer work. They’d be big hunks of very dirty metal. Before that, of course, a few hairballs who got a nuke could do massive destruction.

      Since the Cold War is over, we should have a giant dollar sign (of the sort displayed at Ayn Rand’s funeral) instead of an Alpha-Omega bomb in our mutant sanctuary. That god is what is bringing us to the brink of collapse.

      • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 11:57 am #

        The Taylor character was an enigmatic contradiction. He was obviously misanthropic and he took shots at the establishment and its representatives (his colleagues) any chance he could get. That part if his character I admired and respected, but he was also a hypocrite. When he realizes on his trek into the Forbidden Zone after recognizing he’s back on Earth because of the top of the Statue of Liberty poking out of the sand, he curses his former civilization for “blowing it all to hell.” Then, not too long afterwards, he goes and “blows it all to hell.” He was an arrogant hypocrite in that whilst he called bullshit on everyone else, he didn’t call bullshit on himself, and in this regard and many other regards, he was the same as the rest.

        • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

          Then, not too long [afterwards], he goes and “blows it all to hell.”

          One sees and hears this word both singular and plural. I prefer afterward.

          Is there any rule that applies here Titch?

          P.S. I’m letting “Carol” slide on the “if” error further up-paragraph.

          • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

            Afterward is the more formal usage, but in the way it’s used by me here, the “s” is acceptable, although that’s not always the case. The “s” depends on the context.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

          That was the sequel when the Earth men were fighting the mutants. You are trying to conflate two characters and movies into one.

  11. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    Wasn’t there a Sedulous something or other who played for Auburn? He was a real student of the game; couldn’t read or write, but man did he know his football.

  12. janet August 19, 2013 at 10:35 am #

    Skye said: “maybe the military will take control…”

    Like in Egypt? (whose massacres did not make it into today’s post)

    Heaven help us if the USA military takes control. The USA military is a very large and wasteful big government operation which has also shown itself to be incompetent at what it is supposed to do: win wars.

    The USA military, after spending our national fortune and ten years trying, was defeated by guys in black pajamas in Vietnam.

    In Afghanistan the USA military has been defeated, after spending three trillion dollars and ten years trying, by guys wearing turbans. See the book: The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict by Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz

    The military has been incompetent with the half of our discretionary spending budget it already has (billions of dollars are simply unaccounted for in the Pentagon budget). The USA military would not be any more competent running the civilian half of our discretionary spending budget.

    A 21-year military veteran wrote a book about military incompetence:

    “The history of American military operations in the post-Vietnam era has been marked by failure and near-disaster. Since 1970, American forces have been committed in five operations–in Sontay to rescue prisoners, in Cambodia on behalf of the crew of the Mayaguez, in Iran to rescue the American hostages, in Beirut, and in Grenada–and in each case they have failed.”

    http://www.amazon.com/Military-Incompetence-American-Doesnt-Century/dp/0374521379

    The USA military cannot mount successful military operations. It would be a disaster at trying to run the entire country.

    • beantownbill. August 19, 2013 at 10:51 am #

      What about the bin Laden operation – unless you believe the whole story was a hoax, or it didn’t occur anything like the media reported it? Saying the US military cannot mount a successful operation is not accurate.

    • Trean August 19, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

      Afghan men, usually tribal leaders wear lungees. Only the truly ignorant refer to them as turbans.

  13. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    What we see in Egypt could very well be what’s in store for the masses on the way to an irradiated world made by hand; you get a choice of bread, but it’s shit on whatever that choice may be. There’s an upside. At least you won’t have to read the pretense in the papers (or tweets and blog posts) any longer because there won’t be any papers (or tweets and blog posts)….just a boot quite literally on your neck.

  14. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    The USA military is a very large and wasteful big government operation which has also shown itself to be incompetent at what it is supposed to do: win wars.

    I have to give you credit. You’re good. Real good. And don’t think I don’t know what you’re up to with this post. Do you follow me everywhere?

  15. beantownbill. August 19, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Jim, I usually comment on the content of your weekly posts, but today I just have to say your writing was superb. Good job!

  16. djc August 19, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    Lol at this:

    “Poor Ben, sedulous student of the Great Depression, who didn’t notice that the country had changed from a nation of farmers and factory workers to a nation of pole dancers and waiters…”

    I’m not so sure that small town life in the Midwest or Great Lakes will disintegrate. We’ve been living in a “second Great Depression” since the late 70′s and people just adjust their expectations downward. Some people can handle it and live a happy life and others meltdown into drug or corn-syrup addiction. Too bad for them.

    Great post again and I’m glad Jim banned that “First” poster. Kudo’s. Plus no one needs that infantile either…..

    djc

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

      Others say the same about Oregon. Its economy has been horrible for a long time.

  17. janet August 19, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    JHK said: “Japan is the most interesting corpse in the pathology lab. It shot its wad twenty years ago and has been self-cannibalizing ever since.”

    ================

    There is good news coming out of Japan this week.

    “Japanese exports rose in July at the fastest annual pace in nearly three years as the benefits of a weak yen finally started to take hold, and brisk sales of cars and electronics to the United States, Asia and Europe showed a recovery.”

    Strange behavior for a “corpse in the pathology lab”

  18. James Kuehl August 19, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    Mr. Kunstler,
    Apologies for any umbrage you may take at comparisons, but your facility with long sentences is rare, Garrison Keillor being one of few similarly gifted writers. Recalling you play fiddle, I suspect you’re a Stephane Grapelli fan.

    As for our monetary come-uppance, my fear is for those most disconnected from their own biology. Fortunate are those of us still bedazzled by watching the tomatoes change colors, not to mention what they bring to a salad.

  19. Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 11:04 am #

    Who will win place and show may not be a [favourite]. Shit happens. It would be better to face up to the reality of the long emergency than gamble on [rumour] but that appears to be the more popular choice. – K-dog

    I never realized you were from a Brit related country. Canada?

  20. janet August 19, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    Beantown asks: “What about the bin Laden operation…”

    Beantown, I think it should be obvious Bin Laden won. He accomplished his military objective (at a cost of US$400,000) to defeat the USA. Just read CFN every week. We are on the ropes. Our economy is going bottom up this Fall 2013.

    In a message released in November 2004, Osama bin Laden declared, “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy.” Every week JHK confirms Bin Laden has accomplished this objective to defeat the United States.

    The United States’ reaction to the September 11 attacks, Bin Laden reasoned, proved that terrorism’s power lay not simply in its potential for carnage but in its ability to prod a superpower to incur costly, crippling financial expenses in its pursuit of security. “The real loser,” he concluded, would be “the American people and their economy.”

    Bin Laden was killed a while ago, ending what was arguably the most costly manhunt in history. However, his death did not mark the end of the massive expenses racked up during the decade following September 11, many of which will be with us for the forseable future. We are still paying veteran’s benefits from the The Spanish-American War of 1898.

    But if you think spending more than three trillion dollars to take out Sadaam and Bin Laden (and empower Iran in the region) was a “successful” military operation, then welcome to the big-government-throw-money-at-a-problem club.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 11:40 am #

      then welcome to the big-government-throw-money-at-a-problem club. – Ja’Soka

      All of a sudden Ja’Soka’s against BIG Govt.

  21. Eduardo August 19, 2013 at 11:15 am #

    I think the Second Coming may arrive first and then we will have nothing to worry about. Seriously, such a draconian turn of events will have to lead to martial law as the populace deprived of its sugar pops will go over the edge.
    Surely Larry Summers will save the day.;-)

  22. Yoski August 19, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    Another rabbit?
    My guess is the bankster will pull another rabbit out of the hat. So far they always cooked up another swindle to cover up the mess left behind by the previous swindle. Each successively more outrageous than the last one.
    The stress fractures are spanning all the way from the COMEX to 10-year treasuries, to Japan, ChIndia and the PIIGSZ countries in EURO-Land. To calm things down there’s still a lot of private wealth that could be tapped into. Savings accounts, retirement accounts, investments accounts and real estate to name a few of the low hanging fruits our politocos will go after when the feces hits the fan.
    In that sense it will be interesting to see how the Detroit bankruptcy will play out.

  23. BackRowHeckler August 19, 2013 at 11:26 am #

    Go to your local gathering spot anywhere in the USA; ask 100 people who Ben Bernanke is. Probably not more than 15 would know, even less would care.

    –BRH

  24. Warren August 19, 2013 at 11:29 am #

    A “nation of pole dancers and waiters,” don’t forget the Tattoo artists.

    Jim in case you haven’t noticed, Silver has gone from $19.18 an ounce to $23.16 an ounce in 12 days,

  25. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    But if you think spending more than three trillion dollars to take out Sadaam and Bin Laden (and empower Iran in the region) was a “successful” military operation, then welcome to the big-government-throw-money-at-a-problem club.

    It was successful in that it made a lot of rich people richer. Defense contractor profits have been soaring since and the military budget comprises the majority of every FIT dollar collected. So, success depends on perspective.

  26. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    Was the “pole dancer” comment a hat tip to Snowden? Afterall, his girlfriend is one.

    Hey you, out there on your own
    Sitting naked by the phone
    Would you touch me?
    Hey you, with your ear against the wall
    Waiting for someone to call out
    Would you touch me?


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

  27. budizwiser August 19, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    JK – another polished missive telling us where we are going – but never mentioning how even even start to “go there.”

    There are so many more “tricks” for the feds to pull. So many more wasteful practices for the bankers to reprice away from the zombie “tattoo republic.”

    Before “walmart goes away” – pro sports will have to take a nose-dive.

    Before “local” becomes meaningful – ten more Interstate highway bridges need to collapse. or how about three or four really big “grid failures” in the northeast or west coast.

    Oh sure – I applaud your keen insights into the precarious financial pretenses we base our world views upon.

    But do tell Jim – when most of the western world has bought into a “pretense” – even when based on worthless paper – how do you expect anyone to form new workable systems in the midst of a global failure of trust?

    We may be headed for “localization” someday – but like me – you have absolutely no idea how we will get there.

    But at least I realize there will be plenty of unemployed NFL players and Nascar drivers before the people in those stadium all “go local.”

    So it goes -

    • ozone August 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

      Bud,
      Not to put words in JHK’s mouth, but I don’t think he would expect anything to dramatically change until a collapse, or such degradation that entrenched institutions can no longer extort any more wealth from the populace.

      It’s unfortunate we haven’t any working crystal balls handy, so we’ll have to make do with tipping points as they overweight, whispering clues to the future and warnings of things to avoid.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

      there will be plenty of unemployed NFL players and Nascar drivers before the people in those [stadium] all “go local.”

      stadiums or stadia

  28. ozone August 19, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    In case you should be puzzled or misled by gum’mint operatives proclaiming, “All is well; go shopping!”, these two sentences apply to the whole round world. Take it as a given, simply because nobody likes to dwell on those bad nasties that are going to curtail the god-blessed lifestyle of flagrant waste.

    ” In the background, of course, is the energy melodrama. How can anybody with half a brain suppose that the late turbo-industrial economy could “recover” with oil priced at $107 a barrel? Anyway, all the “recovery” memes floating around the collective media zeitgeist are based on a handful of doctored and massaged GDP numbers universally known to be false.” -JHK

    There, all fixed! [dusting off hands] Thank you for clarifying, Mr. Kunstler.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

      With half a brain no. With voices of authority backing up the ridiculous yes.

      American Propaganda flenses the public daily. Public relations is what gum’mint does. Can’t have wars or continued corporate domination without it. A necessity to keep the ship of state sailing smoothly towards the edge of the world.

      But simple propaganda isn’t enough any-more, the edge loom close.

      Thanks for visiting my website today.

      All 5 of U

  29. retired guy August 19, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    The future is not bright. Our “leaders?” in Washington can do virtually nothing to change that. All they are doing is hastening the collapse and chaos by a few years with their desperate actions. We ARE going to have collapse and chaos. Jim is correct when he says $107 a barrel oil precludes any recovery. Quite simply, the period of “growth” for the USA, and the world, IS OVER. Yes,that much maligned three letter word is what it is all about. “OIL”. There is no answer for this financial (growth) crisis, because there is really no answer for Peak Oil.
    Jim is right on target when he says that no one really knows what the future will look like. Except that it will look vastly different than what you see today. I wouldn’t worry about the government too much. There won’t be enough resources to keep a huge military with a huge central government bureaucracy going. It will be a world without big groups of people located in one place. No huge cities like NY, LA, Paris, Mexico City, etc. No big universities, hospitals, resorts, etc. That all takes huge amounts of energy to have concentrations of people. Skyscrapers will be abandoned and become rotting relics from a former wealthier time.
    There was the, “stone age”, the “bronze age”, the “iron age”, and, we are now finishing up the “hydrocarbon age”. What comes next will not be pretty. Good blog, Jim

    • Ruby Carat August 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

      There is a solution waiting to be developed: ultra-clean, energy-dense cold fusion technology.

      Re-designing, re-tooling society with a water-fuel offers an opportunity for a green technological future.

      But we have to decide to develop it. See more info at
      http://coldfusionnow.org/

      • hineshammer August 19, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

        Pipe dream.

        • ozone August 19, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

          It’s the Conner of Rubes, returned to give the techno-triumphalism theme another go. Good luck widdat, Conman!

  30. janet August 19, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide

    ============

    Post collapse, in rural equatorial climes around the globe, people will continue to live as they always have post-collapse. In many countries there is no need for heating or cooling costs due to 365 day a year constant 80 degree daytime and 65 degree nighttime temperatures. Horticulture grows like crazy with a 365 day a year growing season. Fruits simply drop off the trees.

    Some people in those climates are off the grid and will not feel the effect of a world economic collapse. OK, technically it is not hiding and they have not run to get there, but they are safe where they are, as their ancestors were before the internal combustion engine existed.

    Some people have no need to run, no need to hide.

    • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

      That’s a good point. Maybe they should take prog’s advice and prevent prog and friends from emigrating there when things get desperate for them in September.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 1:13 pm #

      [Post collapse], in rural equatorial climes around the globe, people will continue to live as they always have [post-collapse].

      You are permitted one “post-collapse.” Which do you prefer, the first or the second.

      • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

        There is no law against being redundant, so your use of the word “permitted” is out of line and unwarranted. Sometimes, even, redundant can be endearing. For example, remember Enzo the Baker from The Godfather? This guy was so likeable, you were obliged to not only excuse his redundancy, but to favor and applaud it.

        Enzo: I am Enzo… The baker. You remember me?

        Mike: Enzo. You better get out of here, Enzo. There’s going to be trouble.

        Enzo: If there is trouble, I stay here to help you. For your father, for your father.

        • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

          I know Enzo and Ja’Soka is no Enzo.

          • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

            True enough. Unlike Enzo, janet doesn’t bake……she BURNS. You have the scars to prove it.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

      Isn’t that the name of a song?

  31. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    It’s light on the science, but strong on the emotion of the issue.

    “Light on the science” in what way? I saw both, and I didn’t consider either “light on the science.” And hell yes, it’s an emotional issue when your water supply is indefinitely contaminated. Do you expect people, once knowledgeable about such a thing, to remain calm, cool and collected?

  32. aka_ces August 19, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Yes, what of 100s of nuclear plants where only the likes of Homer Simpson might be around ? There is no “return to nature.”

  33. Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    Don’t know if anybody else noticed but Jim fixed (sort of) the time stamp on the comments section. Instead of 52 minutes too early they are now (only) 8 minutes too late.

    • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

      He’s always thinking of us.

  34. And So It Goes August 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    Beautiful synopsis…

    Thank you Mr. Kunstler.

  35. mika. August 19, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    “The Federal Reserve answers only to God” — JHK
    ==

    If you only knew, Jim!

    The Federal Reserve answers to the Vatican mafia and the shadow private club which their MSM propaganda outlets will never make public to their slave plantation. Instead, they hire individual Joos as managers, to focus their propaganda outlets on and set up “DA JOOS” in general as scapegoats for yet another Vatican inquisition and genocide. Focus on our hired Joo puppet, you dumb farm animals. While the fascist Vatican mafia remains in the shadows, hidden by their propaganda outlets. So, yes, the Federal Reserve answers to God — Rome’s God — the “NWO” fascist gov mafia.

    I post this because this information is something you need to understand and be familiar with, Jim. You can learn more by reading the works of Anthony Sutton, John Loftus, Eric Phelps.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

      The Federal Reserve answers to the Vatican mafia

      Mika shows up once every six months and the message never varies.

      • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

        You say that because you’re pissed you didn’t find any grammatical errors…..but I did.

        …..by reading the works of Anthony Sutton, John Loftus, Eric Phelps.

        It should read:

        …..by reading the works of Anthony Sutton, John Loftus and Eric Phelps.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

        He’s not racist – just calls us dumb farm animals even though Whites are running the world according to him.

        • mika. August 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

          The ‘dumb farm animals’ was in reference to Orwell’s Animal Farm. I’m pretty such you knew that, but you’re such a miserable nazi troll that you just couldn’t help projecting.

          • mika. August 19, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

            such –> sure

  36. janet August 19, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Qshtik said: You are permitted one “post-collapse.” Which do you prefer, the first or the second.

    I was saving words and that caused confusion. Here is what I should have written.

    [In the next Post collapse period], in rural equatorial climes around the globe, people will continue to live as they always have [in every post-collapse period].

  37. wardoc August 19, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    …….nation of pole dancers and waiters.

    As usual JHK has given yet another highly articulate image of modern amerika. I was channel surfing in search of one of the artic Nat Geo shows when I happened upon a show with little girls (I mean 5 to 8 yrs old) made up and dressed up to look like whores, and they were dancing with a POLE !!!! Latency aged girls, dressed like french whores, doing POLE DANCING while their obese mothers grinned and clapped.

    What are these little girls being trained and reinforced for?

    Jobs as Pole dancers and waiters!!!!!!

    Amazing !!!
    The collapse, if not already here, is very near.

    Wardoc

  38. BackRowHeckler August 19, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    Speaking of money, turns out Sheriffs in Connecticut, political hacks appointed by Big Democratic Pols, are pulling down up to $650,000 per year each serving foreclosure legal notices to poor people losing their houses. Its all perfectly legal, of course. The article didn’t say how much of the swag is donated back to various re-election committees. We’ll probably never know.

    –BRH

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

      Since you can’t hear the Truth from me and you worship military men, hear the same Truth from Angelo, a former Marine. He’s intelligent without being intellectual – just “sees” the Truth and tells it straight without a lot of theory. Fine by me. Theories are sometimes necessary to understand the why’s. But he’s just reporting what is going on and the simple consequences of it. It’s not rocket science but most brilliant people wont look. And if you wont look, you can’t See.






  39. Cherenkov August 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    The prevailing sense that we must somehow keep this system of “jobs” and stuff going no matter what is crippling the ability to talk about what is really the matter with “civilization.” More jobs, more stuff, more people all mean a quicker demise for the planet. We can argue the details of the deck chairs ad infinitum, but it is not going to save anything.

    Debt is a fiction. It is an excuse to keep killing the planet. We need to be arguing about how we can reduce population. I know that nature will largely take care of it, but I want it to happen before too many people in an industrial society renders the place a smoking wasteland that no one can inhabit.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

      We need to be arguing about how we can reduce population.

      I agree. I favor shorter life spans. We need to stop taking extraordinary measures to extend life. Long life ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.

      • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

        Yep, no more bypasses. No more hip, knee or elbow replacements. No more so many things. If folks want to live long, they need to do it the old fashioned way; with true grit and sheer determination…..and a healthy dash of heredity and luck.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

        Throw away your glasses! And your whole medicine cabinet while you’re at it.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

      I enjoyed your website. (click on the green tone ‘Cherenkov’ for those that don’t know).

      If you had an entire class of college students who did not know who Hitler was whey won’t be the future nurses, doctors, engineers, and TV producers you mention. Your info about students suggests a fast collapse scenario.

      There is a bit of irony though:

      A civic minded people finds that they can’t trust what government tells them, will look to trust those whom oppose government. It will not matter what the official bullshit of the day is or who delivers it.

      Trust will be gone, the true currency of the realm, worthless. An induced rebellion of civic minded people could be the result, but American college students who don’t know who Hitler was won’t give a shit. They will continue to believe any lies they are fed.

      The irony is that that enough of such ignorance could actually keep the circus of the dammed going for an entire day longer, postponing collapse.

      The irony and the horror.

      • ozone August 19, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

        Thanks, K, I didn’t notice that.

        Further, seems you and I are about the only ones who know the knife-edge equation of trust ’round h’yar. “The hard way”, is a bad and dangerous way to learn of it. Oh well…

  40. Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    …the edge loom close.

    K-dog adopting a touch of Ebonics.

    • Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

      The British version ala Ali G.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

      Your no poet, ya know it?

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 3:29 pm #

      Just read this headline on CNBC:

      “Deadline to challenge Detroit’s bankruptcy filing looms

      Since Ebonics is the de facto language of Detroit I might have expected “Deadline to challenge Detroit’s bankruptcy filing loom

      • alpha mail August 19, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

        What you be talkin’ bout, Willis?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

          Gary Coleman was a great little guy and would have made a fine president.

          • whitehunter August 19, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

            Yes, I was rooting for him to be governor of California.

        • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

          What you be talkin’ bout, Willis?

          No Alpha, it’s not “What you,” it’s “Wah chew.”

          “Wah chew be talkin ’bout, Willis?”

  41. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    As usual JHK has given yet another highly articulate image of modern amerika.

    Yes, but I found his use of the word tuchus disgusting. Had he leavened it with an apt amplifier or two, perhaps he could have been forgiven. For example, had he said

    …..like an angry carbuncle thinly-veiled on Ben’s frilly-girded, pale tuchus…..

    it may have made it more acceptable and palatable. Considering that, how about we make a rule. No use of tyhe word tuchus in the comments section unless it’s properly cushioned per the example above.

  42. sevenmmm August 19, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

    Haresy! The DOWn Jones is God starring Ben Bernanke as Jesus Christ to save the financial system from their corrupting sins!

    • Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

      This whole Ship A’Fools is going down to Davy Jones Locker.

  43. janet August 19, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    This is the year JHK’s prediction comes true.

    DOW at 4,000 before Christmas.

    Bail out of the stock market now.

  44. outsider August 19, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    I’ve been a weekly reader of Clusterfuck Nation for over two years and have read several of JHK’s books. JHK is a true wordsmith and can really turn a phrase like few others. That said, I am disappointed in one area of his analysis which seems to be missing. Kunstler seldom, if ever, mentions the endless wars and overseas empire of the US, which is more responsible than anything in bleeding us dry. The trillions the US has spent in illegal wars of aggression, not to mention hundreds of overseas bases which dot the world, is completely unsustainable. This empire business cannot continue, not to mention the omnipresent NSA-surveillance state, which also costs trillions and is leading us to a cross between ‘Brave New World’ and ’1984′. Accounting fraud and all the rest of it is undoubtedly true, but I think any analysis that fails to discuss the costs of US hegemony is incomplete.

    • K-Dog August 19, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

      You write like this was a free country.

      • alpha mail August 19, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

        It ain’t free for us. We little folk pay our poll taxes and step n’ fetchit for our massahs. For dem, Dog, it weren’t free neitha. They done stole it, Dawg!

  45. RB August 19, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    With respect to the poster above somewhere, all military operations are begun by civilian government/leaders, supplied and funded by civilians and kept going by the same people. With the constraints and rules of engagement perpetuated by civilian leadership, it is infinitely more difficult to derive a clear cut victory as seen in WW II. The military was not defeated in Vietnam despite the many claims otherwise. A peace treaty was concluded by civilians and the South Vietnamese government and their military were left to their own devices shortly to be abandoned by the civilian leadership of the US also known as the congress. Aid was cutoff and that was that. True, the US military does not operate as the ancient Romans where entire populations were slaughtered (ethnic cleansing) and many enslaved. If one is free to inflict maximum suffering and death on a population, then you can have a clear victory. If you are advocating such a thing, then you might want to rethink your own sense of ethics. I’ve done 2 wars personally, very personally. Never any shortage of kibitzers and Monday quarterbacking complete with the shoulda, woulda, coulda, oughtas. I would remind the commenter that after Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina, it was actually the US military that brought some semblance of order and rescue to the afflicted. Never perfect to be sure, but its organization and ability to get something going is unmatched. The military is vilified in almost all media and so the propaganda goes on. Yet, when the chips are down, who you gonna call? Congress? The Fed? IRS?

    My favorite song from my Vietnam days remains: http://youtu.be/ABbc-O_3_Ac

    My favorite commentator on things military:

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Soldier.shtml

    Civilians did this to us. They continue to do it.

  46. George August 19, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    Curiously James, you didn’t mention the chaos in the Middle-East. The non-oil producing states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan have been overpopulated relative to their environmental carrying capacity for over half a century. In addition to some economic activity the only way these countries got by was through generous handouts from the US and/or the oil-producing Gulf States. What little economic activity they had has now been compromised by increased energy expenses. These states are the canaries in the mineshaft of the global community. The fact that they’re now becoming dangerously chaotic suggests that the world may have entered yet another critical stage in the post oil decline.

    The US presently has a powerful navy. Each carrier task force has more fire power than all the other navies of the world combined and there are ten of these pricy flotillas. Yet in this new stage of decline this power cannot be leveraged to do much more than cause a few yawns. The definition of power in this age of decline apparently does not include nuclear-powered carrier task forces.

    My point. While it’s likely that the US financial establishment may be up to its eyeballs in “wishful thinking and accounting fraud”, the rest of the world is in a fine mess as well. What finally rips the illusion apart may not be repeat of the 2008 credit meltdown but rather a full-blown war in the Middle East that will not have been started on false pretexts or nominally controlled by the US.

    http://www.thesisa.org

  47. janet August 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    RB said: “With the constraints and rules of engagement perpetuated by civilian leadership…”

    With all due respect, this is false. When it comes to in-theatre operations, most civilians don’t know what the fuck is going on when war crimes are being committed by the military in places like My Lai or Falujah.

    The idea that civilians are holding back the military from doing its job is a myth. In November of 2004, the military launched a massive siege on Fallujah that killed somewhere between 800 and 6,000 civilians, forced hundreds of thousands to flee their homes, and left much of the city in ruins. From that point on Fallujah became a symbol to much of the world of the cruelty of USA occupation. The military’s illegal action engenders the very resistance that ultimately leads to its defeat.

    If you want to talk military budget, approved by civilians, there is no restraint on the military. There are black budgets and the civilians don’t even know how much they are voting to fund. It is secret. National security and all that. In other words, we don’t want the civilians to even know about programs of drone bombers or extraordinary rendition or the torture prisons set up by the USA around the world.

    With regard to domestic emergencies like hurricanes. Who you gonna call? Well, we used to call FEMA, before it got absorbed into Homeland Security. FEMA supervised military assistance.

    Now we have a giant bureaucracy and effective response has been lost. We saw that in Katrina. The delay in tapping the troops, helicopters, trucks, generators, communications and other resources of the 1st Cavalry and the 82nd Airborne is an example of how the federal response to Katrina lacked organization and leadership. And it raises further questions about the government’s ability to rapidly mobilize the active-duty military now that the civilian FEMA has been absorbed into the massive, terrorism-focused Department of Homeland Security.

    But really, this whole military mystique is false. The distinction between civilian/military is a false one.

    The military is drawn from American people (civilians) and is led by an elected Commander in Chief (a civilian) who is voted into office by civilians. There is no military without civilians. Civilians are not holding back the military. The military is civilians. Civilians are the military.

    A quarter of the Pentagon’s Total Fighting Force is comprised of civilians and the military could not function without them. A review of the DoD service contracting budget and spending data found that contractor employees cost 2.94 times more than an average DoD civilian employee performing the same job.

    In fact, although the number of employees in both workforces is relatively balanced, spending on the workforces is not: DoD service contracts cost $253.8 billion and DoD’s civilian workforce cost $72 billion (base) or $108 (base plus overhead) in FY 2010.

    The civilians are the ones who keep the military ship afloat because the military is incompetent. Civilians develop and maintain sophisticated systems, manage complex programs, handle the day-to-day business of feeding, housing and paying personnel, and sometimes go into harm’s way to support military forces.

    Civilians provide stability in the organization. Military people rotate between assignments every three years or so. DoD civilians are necessary to provide vital support that allows warfighters to have a chance at performing their missions, though due to military incompetence, the fighters usually fail.

    • RB August 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

      “The military is drawn from American people (civilians) and is led by an elected Commander in Chief (a civilian) who is voted into office by civilians. There is no military without civilians. Civilians are not holding back the military. The military is civilians. Civilians are the military.”

      Yep. Civilians own, operate the uniform services. Thanks for supporting my point. And of course crimes occur in war, in battle. So what? Civilians believe that you can pick up a turd by its clean end. Ideally, allowing a military force to obliterate everything in an operational area leads to absolute victory. We just don’t allow for that. Therefore, do not expect total victory with limiting rules established by civilians. As to the so-called “black” budget, there is not a dime spent by the military that is not allocated by the elected, civilian congress. Every dime. You might not like that system but it is the one that has been in place since the first Continental Congress.

      It is certainly true the military could not adequately function without skilled civilians. So what? I think you over generalize with your vituperative comment “the military is incompetent”. In what way? Every way? Some ways? Could you be specific? Oh, I concur that there is incompetence. The best book I ever read regarding the military is entitled: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MILITARY INCOMPETENCE. I simply disagree that incompetence describes the entire structure.

      I have also run into many federal civilian employees whose personal motto seems to be: “I won’t work and you can’t make me.”

    • alpha mail August 19, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

      Well said, asok…”janet”. Very well done. I’m a little surprised, in all seriousness, why you didn’t happen to include in your missive the fact that the military draws from the lower classes, poor whites AND blacks. Next, expect RB to tell us how the military is a gateway to the middle and upper middle class…which technically it could be, especially before Vietnam.

  48. janet August 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

    George said: “What finally rips the illusion apart may not be repeat of the 2008 credit meltdown but rather a full-blown war in the Middle East that will not have been started on false pretexts…

    I agree. And the possibility that it turns into nuclear warfare.

    Our biggest threat is still nuclear holocaust and resulting nuclear winter. We have become complacent because it has been more than twenty years since the end of the Cold War, but the existence of thousands of nuclear weapons continues to pose a serious global threat.

    The likelihood of a nuclear war between the United States and Russia has decreased, but the continued presence of large stockpiles makes the accidental or unauthorized use of nuclear weapons a persistent risk. In the post-9/11 world, the potential for catastrophic nuclear terrorism is also a serious threat. In fact, a nuclear terrorist attack on American soil could be in store for us this Fall 2013, bringing down the whole house of cards.

  49. Janos Skorenzy August 19, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    HARM: chew on this. The Truth is hard to swallow but it is good for you.

    http://www.amren.com/features/2013/08/those-who-must-not-be-named/

    • Elmendorf August 19, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

      Nice post, Janos. I commend Mayor Michael Nutter of Philly because he was succinct about young black men needing to stop blaming whitey for not being able to get “respect” when they go to a job interview with their butt crack showing, a pick in their hair, neck tattoos, and indecipherable language.

      Nutter, speaking in front of a black church assembly, named all of the behaviors that will no longer be tolerated in Philly. May he have the strength to carry out his agenda.

      E.

    • alpha mail August 19, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

      Nutter has some balls. Good for him. Much better than Wilson Good, which the white folk in Philly used to call “Wilson Worthless”.

  50. GF_Sutton August 19, 2013 at 6:46 pm #


    the twisted mythology of capital…

    the country had changed from
    a nation of farmers and factory workers to
    a nation of pole dancers and waiters

    Awesome turns of phrase James!

    By pole dancers, I assume you mean politicians,
    G-strings bared, offering hope for a dollar.
    And waiters, well we’re all still waiting,
    and hoping. We’re either patient or asleep.


    when the water comes rushing back in again,
    all you will see is a spectacle of drowning bankers

    Awesome Jim, I feel better already!


    a depopulated archipelago of steaming radioactive kelp

    Well, now Jim, you have me down-right excited with optimism.

    Think of all the possible new mutations,
    when all is said and done with us,
    to drive a new Cambrian Explosion!

    And, that one way ticket to Mars is looking better everyday!
    A Tale of two Planets…
    It was the best of times… it was…

  51. Carol Newquist August 19, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    Montana has released the prices for coverage under Obamacare. Here’s a link covering the topic.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/prices-released-mont-insurance-exchange-203159151.html

    After reading the link, I have a question for janet. My hope is she would read the link before responding. Do the credits from the federal government cover deductibles and co-pays which can be costly under some of these plans, or do the credits only offset part of cost of the premium?

    Also, the link indicated the following:

    The state points out that tax credits are not available to those earning less than 100 percent of the poverty level.

    The federal health care law anticipated that states would take advantage of federal money to expand Medicaid to cover that population. The Montana Legislature earlier this year rejected the expanded coverage.

    This is concerning. What happens to these people below 100% of the poverty level now that Montana has decided not to fund their coverage? These are the very people this legislation was intended to help more than any demographic, and here we see they’re quite possibly going to fall through the cracks and be left behind. WTF?

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 11:41 pm #

      THE BANKS WILL FINANCE THE END OF YT:

      http://crimesofthetimes.blogspot.com/2013/08/if-you-thought-cheerios-heart-healthy.html

    • lsjogren August 20, 2013 at 9:08 am #

      I thought those under the poverty level already qualify for Medicaid.

      • Karah August 20, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

        Medicaid only covers certain age groups and the disabled because they can’t work full-time in order to receive coverage through their employment. Medicaid does not provide healthcare for children once they reach adulthood. Most people who are poor have had to work for healthcare unless the government provided a program to deal with their specific needs like birth control, substance abuse or HIV infection. It has become a general rule that poverty only effects those who are mentally ill because they will not conform to societal norms and demands. Yet, we have seen a growing demographic in the form of “working poor” because they can not afford to pay for anything beyond the “normal” costs of living. Our modern society has become increasingly burdened with abnormal prices for food, shelter and transportation all of which has been justified by higher oil prices, increases in crime and terror. The “administration” of benefits, the 50 states, have been burdened to the point of bankruptcy to make up for all the people who have fallen or will fall in the chasm of unemployment and illegal status. They asked the government for help and it’s taken several presidents of the U.S.A and several lawsuits in order to finally get something practical on the table. It’s a wonder that all the people working for the administration have not gone insane in the process!

      • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

        GOVERNMENT DESPERATE FOR TAX PAYERS.
        Cali flooded w tax receivers.

        http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/08/19/california-wants-small-business-owners-to-pay-back-120-million-in-tax-breaks/

        In a few decades Cali population increased by 10 million, but tax payers increased by 200? K.

    • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

      JHK, didya know the average age of a US Farmer is 57?

      I assume one ‘barrier to entry’ is cost of land. Esp with the Chinese ‘worldwide land grab’ well underway.

  52. Titchfield August 19, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    Q. Shtik, the “afterward/afterwards” distinction is not one that I’ve ever paid much attention to.

    Here’s Fowler’s Modern English Usage (1996 edition): “Afterward(s) The geographical distribution is fairly clear-cut. ‘Afterward’ is restricted to North America, whereas ‘afterwards’ is the customary form in the UK, Australia, NZ, and South Africa, and an optional by-form in North America.”

    This seems to mean that you can use whichever form you want–unless you’re a professional writer who’s bound by a style manual. I use “afterwards.”

    • Neon Vincent August 19, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

      This entire grammar discussion reminds me of the flap over the decline of cursive. Technology apparently has rendered it obselete and schools are beginning to stop teaching it. There are people who are taking it as a sign of the end of American civilization, while others are saying “good riddance.” Two people left comments on my blog entry on the topic saying pretty much that.

      http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-collapse-of-cursive.html

      • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

        the decline of cursive. Technology apparently has rendered it obselete and schools are beginning to stop teaching it.

        How do people take notes in class now-a-days? Does everyone bring a laptop and type fast enough to keep up?

        • Karah August 19, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

          Audio recording or buying other people’s notes.

          Some professors and/or the schools have banned both of these practices.

          Cursive develops hand/eye coordination and is pretty, other than that, young people get the same results keyboarding. It’s not a big deal if someone doesn’t learn cursive because it’s a personalized form of communication reserved for special occasions where getting a message out to a larger audience isn’t the primary goal.

          Cursive is more difficult to read no matter how nicely it’s done.

          It’s ironic how cursive is supposed to save time; however, most people really botch the job. Kunstler likes to pick on tattoo parlors as a symptom of our deteriorating standards; lump in NAIL STUDIOS. How can a woman write a check or do anything else of practical value with inch long nails?

        • Neon Vincent August 19, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

          “Does everyone bring a laptop and type fast enough to keep up?”

          I have a lot of students do exactly that. Those that don’t take photos of my Powerpoint slides with their phones. I also have outlines for all my classes that are printed and on sale at the bookstore.

        • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

          Skool iz online.
          One youngster had no problem admitting ‘My tough classes I take online, w someone smart actually doing the online work’.

          CHEATING WAS NEVER EASIER.

    • Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

      I use “afterwards.”

      Because you’re bound by a style manual or because it is customary where you live (Britain or Brit influenced countries)?

      • Titchfield August 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

        Because it’s customary where I live–Toronto, Canada.

  53. janet August 19, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

    Janos said: “The Truth is hard to swallow but it is good for you.”

    Janos, I’ve been ignoring you. Now you want to talk about the book, White Girl Bleed a Lot. What it has to do with Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide I don’t know.

    The book is not reporting, nor is it about facts and data. It’s about sensationalism and an agenda. The author cites youtube videos, not scholarly peer-reviewed sources. The goal is to generate fear in whites.

    The author ought to realize that YouTube account holders often delete videos. Unless he’s prepared to update the links to mirrors or mirror sites, they’re useless.

    You want the Truth, Janos? You can’t handle the Truth.

    The Truth is that this epidemic of racial crime isn’t an epidemic. It’s barely a blip. According to the FBI, there were 575 crimes motivated by anti-white bias in 2010, nationwide. There were 545 anti-white crimes in 2009 and 716 in 2008.

    There were more than 2,000 crimes motivated by anti-black bias in each one of those years. Of course, the book insinuates that all black-on-white crime is racially motivated, but even by that standard things are looking pretty rosy in America right now.

    You want the Truth? The Truth is it’s absurd to imagine a secret pandemic of black-on-white violence motivated by anti-white racism that the media and all of our law enforcement agencies conspire to keep secret for reasons of political correctness. There would have to be hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of crimes that no one is reporting in order for the current violent crime rate to come close to matching what it was a generation ago. There can’t be an epidemic of black crime that coincides with the least amount of total crime in America since the 1960s.

    By the way, the quote which the book title comes from is “white girl bleeds a lot.” (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, July 6, 2011). I wonder why it appears in this book title as “bleed a lot”?

    Now I’ll go back to ignoring you. Your fantasy race war will never happen.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

      Tens of millions of Whites have been uprooted by Black violence. Countless institutions and cities ruined by Black indigence and incompetence. We’ve torn our System inside out for a People who simply aren’t worth it and will always resent us no matter what we do. And the worse thing is not what these devils have done but what they’re a gonna do.

      • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

        SEE THE AD FOR THE BANK.

      • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

        and this:
        The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”
        There is an oft repeated lie by Liberals in our Western societies which is that immigration is needed to keep the pension system and economy going.

        Well, let’s have a look at a city in Germany called Kreuzberg, which is now the largest Turkish city outside of Turkey and is known as “Kleine Istanbul” (Little Istanbul).

        In this wonderful nirvana, 90% of the inhabitants of certain areas of Kreuzberg live below the poverty level and subsist on taxpayer handouts.

        At the Jens-Nydahl-Grundschule (school) in this nirvana, 99% of the 313 pupils have a Muslim background; and of those 313 pupils, 285 children’s parents receive financial support from the state!

        So, Liberals – about that lie………..

  54. GF_Sutton August 19, 2013 at 7:15 pm #


    Lullaby to the American Dream

    Getting a low rate loan
    to pay high ones,
    I hope I can roll it over
    ‘Til I’m rolling in my grave.

    G#d, am I the government?
    Or a Bankster?
    No one answered.
    No one there.

    I was debating with myself one day,
    ‘Til someone thought it strange.
    Who you talking too?
    A man up in the sky?

    I made him up to fill my cup.
    Then the idea caught on,
    That if you’re nuts, talking in ruts,
    Alone, but jabber-walking,
    Create G-d in your own image,
    Then turn the table ’round.

    Someday when our hubble eyes extend
    Out far enough to edges,
    We will see the gathering outlines
    Of a molecule
    In a cell
    In a body
    Of a flea about
    To be scratched and cursed away
    From the ass of a Dog,
    Our goD.

    Oh there has been much throwing about of brains.
    Surely t’is that which rots in Denmark,
    Entrails on the wall scribbled, ignored:

    Gods seem true only while fresh.
    All stale now and smelling of rot.

    Jesus. What a smelly rotting Fish.
    Time to hack it tail and head, Cut out its fins,
    And clean its scales the hard way.
    For our scales have weighed and found it wanting, Everything!

    Time has turned now and soon will finish, for….

    Soon the empire will bellow out in song,
    That fat lady libertine finally finding her lungs….
    Bye… bye.. miss. American Pie,
    This will be the day that you die!

    • jim e August 19, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

      Something Rotten in the Homeland
      The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, Act 3, Scene 3:

      In the corrupted currents of this world (Market Fundamentalism)
      Offence’s gilded hand may shove by justice, (Extreme Wealth corrupting Power)
      And oft t’is seen the wicked prize itself (Loot skimmed by Markets from Labor)
      Buys out the law (The Citizens United Decision legalizing the purchasing of Politicians)

      The Citizens United Decision has made permanent
      the conversion of our elections into auctions.
      And it is permanent.
      There is now no peaceful way back.
      The Rubicon has been crossed.

      This bodes some strange eruption to our state (Hamlet, Act 1)

      Crying tears into the ocean
      would sooner raise the tides beyond the moon
      than votes now
      change the course of the empire. —GF Sutton——-

      …So hoist up the John B’s sail
      See how the mainsail sets
      Call for the captain ashore
      Let me go home, let me go home
      I wanna go home, yeah yeah
      Well, I feel so broke up, I wanna go home…. —the Beach Boys

      Offence’s gilded hand may shove by justice

      The line above from Hamlet describes the 2008 financial crisis and its aftermath to a T. An offence is an attack. It’s gilded hand refers to the hidden hand of markets being used as a blood funnel to extract value. The justice which was shoved-by was of course the justice we never got. Instead they extorted more loot from our government and used it to double down making permanent their gains against us, Citizens United.
      Then they killed the 6th amendment.

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
      will make violent revolution inevitable. — JFK

      This is gonna get dicey, very messy indeed.
      If you assume this turns out well in the end,
      you assume much.

      Hamlet sought to convict the conscience of the king
      and to slay him for capturing the reins of his fathers kingdom.
      The end result was, well, messy.

      And now the ghost of our dead Republic
      rolls over in our dreams and apparitions demanding what?
      Nothing coherent apparently.
      We may get that!
      What dreams may come?

      The play’s the thing wherein we’ll catch
      the conscience of the king. —Hamlet

  55. janet August 19, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    Carol, what do you want me to say? Obamacare sucks?

    Obamacare is not a single-payer plan that is forced onto the American people. It is a capitalist private insurance exchange (Romneycare, based on Republican Heritage Foundation ideas) where people still are not going to get the kind of health care most countries in the rest of the world, including third world countries, have been able to provide.

    The federal health care law anticipated that states would take advantage of federal money to expand Medicaid to cover that population. The Montana Legislature earlier this year rejected the expanded coverage.

    Because Obamacare is not being rammed down our throats, because Obamacare left the states with a lot of autonomy, there are state legislatures that have refused to participate. Obama made the funds available but he did not try to force any state to accept the funds. It is up to the people of the state to decide what to do with politicians who don’t want to provide citizens with health care “on principle”

    I agree with you that it is not an ideal plan. It is private sector Romneycare writ large. Obama’s attempt at medicaid expansion was a push in the right direction, but he did not try to force legislatures to accept it. As the saying goes: you can lead a horse to water…

    • outsider August 19, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

      Janet – I don’t think it matters whether the US had single-payer or the Obamacare monstrosity. Both would be destined to fail, as Medicare and Medicaid have failed from their own excesses. First, we don’t have the money. I need not list the myriad of ways that the wealth of this country has been squandered, we all have large lists. We are an empire in terminal decline. Second, the US is just way too large and unwieldy for anything of the magnitude of national health care to work. National health care may work in small, peaceful mostly homogeneous countries like Sweden and Switzerland, but how can it work in a multiethnic warlike nation of over 300 million souls where the prevailing ethos is to look out for number one? In fact, Obamacare may hasten our coming bankruptcy. All it would take would be for China to pull the plug.

      • alpha mail August 19, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

        Outsider, my dear friend,

        You have no idea what a can of worms you just opened up for asok…, sorry, “janet”. Prepare for the onslaught! Key words/ phrases will most likely include some of the following: “homogenity is bad and multi-cultural is good”, “We can easily afford Obamacare if we would just stop our overseas involvement” (if only!), and “Medicare, Medicaid are not failed programs, look at the people they help.” Also expect the words: racist, bankruptcy, and decline, in “her” response…and You Will Get a response…I guaran…f_cking TEE it!

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

      On radio today, a [muslim?] MD in Michigan scammed 150 million
      in 3 years via Medicaid fraud.

      HE PUT EM ALL ON CHEMO.

      • Neon Vincent August 20, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

        The doctor in question, Farid T. Fata, is a Lebanese Christian. Not all Arabs or minorities in the Arab world are Muslim and there are plenty of Christians who hail from Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, and Syria. Remember that next time you see an Arabic name in the news. That way you won’t succumb to Islamophobia in the process of exposing your ignorance and xenophobia.

        While I’m here, I have a piece of news that will make all the Islamophobes and xenophobes froth.

        http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/08/al-jazeera-america-premieres-today.html

        Programming starts at 3 PM EDT. Happy viewing!

        • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

          The facts about his crime stands, christian or not.
          One more mid east crook the USA would be much better off with.

  56. jim e August 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

    Thank You USC…

    “We Can Run But We Can’t Hide”
    Words by John Perry Barlow; music by Brent Mydland
    Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission

    We don’t own this place, though we act as if we did,
    It’s a loan from the children of our children’s kids.
    The actual owners haven’t even been born yet.

    But we never tend the garden and rarely we pay the rent,
    Some of it is broken and the rest of it is bent
    Put it all on plastic and I wonder where we’ll be when the bills hit.

    [Chorus:]
    We can run,
    But we can’t hide from it.
    Of all possible worlds,
    We only got one:
    We gotta to ride on it.
    Whatever we’ve done,
    We’ll never get far from what we leave behind,
    Baby, we can run, run, run, but we can’t hide.
    Oh no, we can’t hide.

    I’m dumpin’ my trash in your back yard
    Makin’ certain you don’t notice really isn’t so hard
    You’re so busy with your guns and all of your excuses to use them.

    Well, it’s oil for the rich and babies for the poor,
    We got everyone believin’ that more is more,
    If a reckoning comes, maybe we will know what to do then.

    [Bridge:]
    All these complications seem to leave no choice,
    I heard the tongues of billions speak with just one voice,
    Saying, “Just leave all the rest to me,
    I need it worse than you, you see.”
    And then I heard…
    The sound of one child crying.

    Today I went walking in the amber wind,
    There’s a hole in the sky where the light pours in
    I remembered the days when I wasn’t afraid of the sunshine.

    But now it beats down on the asphalt land
    Like a hammering blow from God’s left hand
    What little still grows cringes in the shade like a bad vine.

  57. jim e August 19, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Song 3… 25 ago today… Sounds like we are getting tuned…. Nice title today Mr. JHK.

    http://archive.org/details/gd1989-08-19.111998.fm.HoltzNaks.Flac16

    • anti dod August 19, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

      Are you the blogger formerly known as ‘Buck’?

  58. Q. Shtik August 19, 2013 at 10:22 pm #

    women with tit’s – Bilbo

    It’s tits, Bilbo.

    How does a person get to your age without understanding the difference between plural and possessive?

    this as an example:

    Plural: Women have two tits.

    Singular possessive: One tit’s nipple had a gold ring through it.

    Plural Possessive: Her tits’ nipples were pink.

    • lsjogren August 20, 2013 at 9:13 am #

      Its a question of whether people are fluent in the use of punctuation mark’s.

  59. BleatToTheBeat August 19, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    Like most White Boys bred and born in Little Debbie America, Fred, like every other combat vet I know, has some lingering problems with the gore of close combat. He also has the flair of a blog writer craning for attention.

    C’mon, Fred. We all knew what we were getting into. Do you really think that the U.S. Army was allowing that 6′ 8” Drill Sergeant, in a well established military training center, to smack ya around a little ( a lot) because he had Mommy issues?

    Don’t know about you, but more than once I declined to follow a misguided and UNLAWFUL order.

    Did I get some shit for this?

    Like….DUH. Life in any infantry is shit.

    Was I dirt?

    NOT EVEN. I can’t think of a single officer that I knew that would have allowed me to be under his command if I EVER would have expressed this sentiment. Perhaps we were deployed under different circumstances.

    I went on active duty at the time when the last of the Vietnam Era vets were winding down their careers. I learned two important things from them:

    1)Civilian Protests did not stop the Vietnam War. Soldiers deciding to stop effectively patrolling and successfully completing missions did.

    2)Military solutions rarely work. The effects can linger for decades. But sometimes, sometimes…ya just gotta kill the crazy motherfuckers to get them to STOP.

    OK. Poster RB has stimulated the “Vet” portion of my cerebral cortex, and I’m commencin’ to go into my cups. But, before I do, I would just like to say that as much as I love Martha & The Vandellas, once I learned that I could hide behind a pack of Camel cigarettes, AND asking the question which JHK so skillfully, if not pre-emptively posited, I give you one of the Greatest Pop Bands of All God Damn Time:

    P.S.

    Please tell poster “Janet” to stop commenting on military operations.

    Honorably,

    Gen. Smedley Butler

    • Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 7:10 am #

      Please don’t post youtubes in the comments section.

  60. janet August 19, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    Please tell poster “Janet” to stop commenting on military operations.

    Honorably,

    Gen. Smedley Butler

    ==============

    Dear General Butler,

    I think I should just stop posting altogether. My posts are not appreciated here. Though many here will agree with this post.

    • BleatToTheBeat August 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

      I think that you should camo up and bite me crank, sailor.

  61. BleatToTheBeat August 20, 2013 at 12:10 am #

    BEST DOOMER PORN EVER!

    I would really like to know how to say “We have no bananas”…

    in Russian.

    • Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 7:09 am #

      Please don’t post youtubes in the comments section.

  62. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 6:37 am #

    I think I should just stop posting altogether. My posts are not appreciated here. Though many here will agree with this post.

    I’m one who doesn’t agree with this latest post, and I do appreciate your other posts regardless of your true identity.

    Let me ask you, janet, why is it you seldom post any links and/or youtubes? How do you feel about links and/or youtubes posted to the comments section?

  63. ozone August 20, 2013 at 8:53 am #

    …[Innocently] asked ‘carol’ of ‘janet’, after setting up their notes to have a ‘serious’ tete-a-tete for a couple pages of gum’mint sponsored propaganda, misdirection and FILLER.
    (Geeze, transparent much? This mild-mannered agent/nasty, mean agent schtick is getting threadbare.)

    • Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 9:15 am #

      Please don’t use words like ‘gum’mint’ in the comments section.

  64. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    How can a woman write a check or do anything else of practical value with inch long nails?

    Checks? Who writes checks anymore? A swipe of the credit card has taken its place, and those nails work fabulously in prying the credit card from the purses that are no longer allowed at NFL Football games.

    Cursive was helpful, if done early enough in a child’s formative years, to facilitate the nimble and deft use of one’s lower arms and digits. Of course, there are other ways to accomplish this, but cursive was able to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak; it accomplished the aforementioned and it allowed a child to articulate through the written word. Unfortunately, in times past, if an otherwise profound thinker was somehow flummoxed by cursive, it could, and probably very often did, discourage them from articulating themselves through the written word. Some of them became great orators instead, but I imagine to vast majority lived a life of untapped potential and were rendered metaphorically mute.

    • Karah August 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

      190!!!

      *giggle*

      I just couldn’t resist.

  65. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 10:04 am #

    I’m listening to KunstlerCast 238 and I have to say how disgusted I am with what I call current liberal linguistics. No, I’m not talking about JHK because he’s not an example of it. I’m talking about Ed Glaeser. He’s a prime example of current liberal linguistics. I find it elitist, arrogant, condescending and transparent. Do they go to seminars to learn to speak this way, or do they hang around with each other, and only each other, so much that they just start talking like each other? Probably the latter, but who knows. More specifically, there’s a certain stuffy air in their intonation and they use certain words and catch phrases. In this particular podcast, JHK plays a tape of Glaeser and he uses the trademark “Right?” after some of the statements he makes. Ian Welsh does this as well. It grates on me, but it also makes me laugh. I really think these so-called intellectuals have no clue they all sound alike. They’re like clones. For people who praise diversity, they’re not very diverse, are they?

  66. ozone August 20, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    When there’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide, simply stroll calmly to the workshop and cobble together another smoke machine to keep the populace bamboozled and misdirected.
    Housing recovery, you say?

    “… the Fed now owns nearly $1.5 trillion of
    toxic assets that have no bid (meaning no one but the Fed wants them).
    They would have less of a bid if there was even more uncertainty about
    the loans that fill them. The Treasury is directly backing $400 billion
    of government-sponsored entity (GSE) securities, and is indirectly
    backing another $6.8 trillion. If foreclosed homes couldn’t be sold
    because of fraudulent paperwork or had to wait for more detailed
    inspections, you can imagine how difficult selling assets stuffed with
    faulty loans might be. If it’s tough to find a title for a foreclosed
    home, think how tough it is to back the related loan out of a pyramid of securities sitting on top of it.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-why-white-house-against-freezing-foreclosures-look-feds-suddenly-worthless-trilli

    Ask yourself where Timmy Geithner has been hiding and why he’s been dragged from his comfortable hole at this time. So many pairs of pants on fire that I had thought the smoke created from that would be enough, but I guess not. Forgot all about Timmy, did you?

    Who do you trust?

    • beantownbill. August 20, 2013 at 11:30 am #

      Eventually, all these toxic loans will be written off, either through societal collapse or massive inflation or forced buy-back by banks (which would bankrupt them). In any case, the market always rules, in time. Ultimately, these loans will be marked-to-the-market, in effect. Of course, by then the economy will be ruined completely.

  67. janet August 20, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Let me ask you, janet, why is it you seldom post any links and/or youtubes? How do you feel about links and/or youtubes posted to the comments section?

    ===============

    Nice try, carol, but you are asking for personal information.

    I noticed my asking if you are a socialist was ignored.

  68. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    Nice try, carol, but you are asking for personal information.

    Now you’re really ticking me off.

  69. ozone August 20, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Oh, that’s right… Timmy went right through the revolving door to the Council on Foreign Relations. Isn’t it nice how he’s looking after the interests of the common man?

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/17997-the-wall-street-ties-of-larry-summers-and-timothy-geithner

    Timmy?! Larry?! Tsk, tsk. I sense mischief in the making.

    • K-Dog August 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

      Council on Foreign Relations

      Mention of that made me follow your link. Has same same little birdie whispered in your ear too?

      Holy Nietzsche how can one tell truth from evil lies?

      Sense of mischief in the making or rather the stench of mischief in the making. I found this following your link.

      The title’s worth repeating.

      Quite a contrast from protecting America as the powers that be are quick to claim. Perhaps outsourcing Timmy’s job to an Indian holy man would be a good idea. An improvement for sure. Cut the fat, end the waste, wave high efficiencies banner, march on.

      Speaking to Corporate Execs, Larry Summers Mocks Opponents Of Outsourcing As “Luddites”

      • K-Dog August 20, 2013 at 3:20 pm #

        Larry’s job. – Damn those typos ;)

      • ozone August 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm #

        K-Dog,
        It really is quite amazing isn’t it?
        There’s a reason all these deadly games and evil machinations are not common knowledge. If it were, the DESTRUCTION OF TRUST would be instantaneous and the tax revenues would cease immediately. No revenues? …Well, you know where it goes from there. The velvet glove is removed from the iron fist, and tactics change abruptly. Militarizing the cops (with their rabid us-vs.-them mindset) is no accident or regional reaction to escalating crime. (Just tell ‘em their pay is being held back because these deadbeat citizen [criminals] won’t pay their muni taxes, and they’ll be on those citizens like stink on a septic pumper.) Extraction is much easier under the banner of benevolent financial wizardry. Holdups create Fear -> Anger -> Resistance. Not the most desirable way of doing bid’ness.

        We have to search for this information by reading between the lines and pursuing very tangential info that is not stressed in the wholly owned media subsidiaries of corporate america. (Small ‘a’, their ties aren’t to the country they originate from.) We’re finding it, giving us a perspective on how the upper echelons operate and why. This is not something they want disseminated too widely, I wouldn’t think. Psychopaths are not in the habit of revealing their motives, plans, or the fact that they ARE psychos. The thin veneer of pretended empathy is essential for ‘continued operations’.

  70. janet August 20, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    I do appreciate your other posts regardless of your true identity.

    ============

    ??????

    Let’s focus on content, not identity or methodology.

    Today we can look forward to P4W’s message. I have an advance copy:

    GOOD WORK THIS WEEK, JHK.

    Y’ALL SHOULD SUPPORT RACIST ANTI-IMMIGRATION EFFORTS..

    BAN THE TROLL TRILOGY.

    • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

      Asoka-karah-carol asking to be banned, by his ‘alter persona’!

  71. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    I noticed my asking if you are a socialist was ignored.

    I am nothing and nobody aside from your projection or any other poster’s projection. I know, I know, where a profile isn’t offered one will be given because everyone, even if they’re nothing or nobody, must be something and somebody. How else can they be filed effectively?

  72. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    Who do you trust?

    Not you, that’s for damn sure.

  73. Q. Shtik August 20, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Let’s return briefly to an old subject, GUNS

    The following story argues in favor of unfettered gun possession:

    After stepping around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door, a man walked into H&J Leather & Firearms intent on robbing the store. The shop was full of customers and a uniformed officer was standing at the counter. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol.

    The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, and several customers also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt.

    • beantownbill. August 20, 2013 at 11:32 am #

      Sounds like a very stupid robber. Very stupid.

  74. janet August 20, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    Now you’re really ticking me off.

    ============

    No, you are nothing and nobody. As such you cannot be ticked off. Any such notion would be mere projection.

    Nice try, but no cigar.

  75. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    Nice try, but no cigar.

    This statement is unnecessary. If I’m nothing and nobody then I can’t try, let alone want a cigar.

  76. ozone August 20, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    Hey, boys and girls, I have an announcement (if I might get your attention please). Settle down, settle down… okay, thank you.

    ‘carol’ doesn’t trust me.
    I cannot express how deeply that wounds me!

    That’s it; please return to your studies and gum’mint-approved activities.

    • anti dod August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

      Take that as a compliment!

  77. janet August 20, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    This statement is unnecessary.

    ==============

    All of my statements are unnecessary.






  78. rube-i-con August 20, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    well well, a return to the ever recurring japan is toast, along with the entire fiat currency system is possibly going under….this time, at least.

    hackneyed clichés from jhk again.

    let’s take his most glaring one: …the bond market probably can’t be saved, and without it all other paper markets are toast, including the stock markets and very possibly the entire fiat currency system

    actually, after reading bill gross’ commentary, jhk may be entitled to worry.

    as such, i retract some of my criticism.

    peace peaceniks

  79. Q. Shtik August 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    I just sent this email to a tavern in Brooklyn:

    I saw the article about your tavern in the NY Times. The sign over your doorway reads “Vekslers.” It needs an apostrophe. It should read “Veksler’s.”

    Take English 101 and learn about plural vs. possessive.

    See, it is not just Bilbo I criticize.

  80. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    actually, after reading bill gross’ commentary, jhk may be entitled to worry.

    as such, i retract some of my criticism.

    What’s wrong with toast? I like toast. In fact, I prefer my sandwiches toasted rather than soft. Toast is good. Greed is not. Stick that where the sun doesn’t shine, Michael Cunnilingus Douglas.

  81. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    See, it is not just Bilbo I criticize.

    I can’t wait to receive my package in the mail; you know, the one with a couple of fish stuffed inside a hard copy of The Chicago Manual of Style all wrapped in parchment paper.

    It’s an old Sicilian message meant to covey the following:

    Q. Shtik sleeps with the fishes

    • Q. Shtik August 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

      …message meant to [covey] the following:

      How pathetic.

      • Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

        Why do you find quail or partridge pathetic? They’re a wonderful delicacy. You’re so ordinary.

  82. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    All of my statements are unnecessary.

    Would you really ban me or are you just talking trash?

  83. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Take that as a compliment!.

    No, it’s not a compliment. Follow the reasoning, or lack thereof. I am nothing. I am nobody. As such, I can’t trust, nor can I compliment.

    Some of you, especially the one who made this statement, are rather thick. I hate when they put rookies on me to cut their teeth. I can’t tell you how many I’ve trained. And yet, never a word of gratitude.

  84. janet August 20, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    All of my statements are unnecessary. –janet

    Would you really ban me or are you just talking trash? –carol

    Would you really bait me? If so, you were successful.

    Carol, I have never called for anyone to be banned.

    I respect everyone and do not disrespectfully scroll over posts.

    I believe everyone has the possibility to speak truth, so messages must be examined to discriminate which part is truth and which part is trash talk. It is working for me.

  85. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    I respect everyone and do not disrespectfully scroll over posts.

    I believe everyone has the possibility to speak truth, so messages must be examined to discriminate which part is truth and which part is trash talk. It is working for me.

    Even Janos? I thought you were ignoring him. Do you mind it when I post youtubes? Do you think they clutter the comments section? Are they extraneous? Are you above the law? Do rules not apply to you? Do you trust me after having made my acquaintance? Am I somewhat imbalanced? Would you like to do a podcast with me sometime?

  86. janet August 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Would you like to do a podcast with me sometime?

    You are fishing for personal information again.

    A podcast? Only because you asked that do I ask this: Do you live anywhere near mid-town Manhattan?

  87. janet August 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    Even Janos? I thought you were ignoring him.

    Yes, even Janos. I read all his posts. I choose mostly not to respond to his posts and in that sense I am ignoring him.

  88. janet August 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    rube-i-con said: “actually, after reading bill gross’ commentary, jhk may be entitled to worry.”

    ===========

    Rube, I got a feeling this time JHK is not crying wolf. This time his prediction of 4,000 DOW is going to happen before Christmas, during Fall 2013. This time the whole fiat money system is going to collapse.

    We don’t have much time: four months maximum. I would tell you to get your affairs in order, but I know you are one of those who will survive handily.

    I don’t think I’m going to make it through the Fall 2013 collapse, but that is OK, too. Whatever existence decides for me, to live or to die, is OK with me because we are all going to die anyway eventually.

    Death is no big deal.

  89. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    Yes, even Janos. I read all his posts.

    You must have a rugged scalp. I once upon a time read all his posts but they left me scratching my head so much I started to bleed. So, I mostly just skim his posts now. I’ll quickly glance at it to see if anything makes any semblance of sense; if not, I quickly move on to Lessons From Q. Shtik because there are so many and I don’t want to miss out. He really cares, you know.

  90. Q. Shtik August 20, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    Hey Ja’Soka and “Carol,” are yooz “guys” aware that you’re boring the shit out of everyone? Seriously.

  91. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

    Do you live anywhere near mid-town Manhattan?

    It depends on your definition of “near”. Where I live or you live is of no matter. Podcasts can be conducted long distance now, you know. What do you say? Are you in?

  92. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

    Hey Ja’Soka and “Carol,” are yooz “guys” aware that you’re boring the shit out of everyone? Seriously.

    Q. gets angry when he doesn’t find any grammar errors. Suck it up, junior. Sometimes things don’t go your way. That’s life.

  93. janet August 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Q. may get angry when other people make errors. But then he goes and makes them himself, like he did in his last post.

    youse
    pron. Chiefly Northern U.S.
    You. Used in addressing two or more people or referring to two or more people

    But, then, Q. never was capable of spelling correctly, or detecting when a spell checker allowed a misspelling to go through.

    Q. is not too bright with either words or money.

  94. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 3:29 pm #

    Q. may get angry when other people make errors.

    No, Q. doesn’t get angry when people make grammatical errors; he salivates, just as a dung beetle does when a canine drops a fresh steamy pile. Q. is a grammatical dung beetle in search of fresh steamy poo, and when he finds it, he shouts with glee. It tickles him pink…..errrr brown, I mean.

    • Q. Shtik August 20, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

      Q. is a grammatical dung beetle

      I admit it. I laughed out loud at this^.

  95. janet August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    What do you say? Are you in?

    No, I am not in. You are fishing for personal information again. I am terribly shy when it comes to public speaking… which is why I prefer writing.

  96. janet August 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

    Q. said: “Hey Ja’Soka and “Carol,” are yooz “guys” aware that you’re boring the shit out of everyone? Seriously.”

    Q., I have an incredible level of control over you. You might do other things during your day, but you will always come back here and notice how many posts I have made. You have to do it. In this instance you have no free will. And because you have to, you will then end up writing comments like the one above. You will be bored. Seriously.

  97. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    No, I am not in. You are fishing for personal information again. I am terribly shy when it comes to public speaking… which is why I prefer writing.

    I’m not fishing for personal information. We can still be Carol and janet. There’s no need to use the formal names forced on us by the tyranny of contemporary society. However, if you’re shy about public speaking then that’s another matter altogether. I prefer both speaking and writing, but if you’re not comfortable with the speaking part, I understand and won’t press any further. Although, I will say, if speaking is uncomfortable for you yet you wish it wasn’t, the best way to overcome it is to push through it. Easier said than done, I know.

  98. janet August 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    On August 5, NASA announced: “Something big is about to happen on the sun. According to measurements from NASA-supported observatories, the sun’s vast magnetic field is about to flip. ‘It looks like we’re no more than 3 to 4 months away from a complete field reversal,’ says solar physicist Todd Hoeksema of Stanford University. ‘This change will have ripple effects throughout the solar system.’”

    Full article at http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/05aug_fieldflip/

    The Sun reverses its magnetic poles approximately every 11 years, so by itself is not big news, but this will most likely intensify already unusual weather patterns… and predictions of global economic collapse on CFN.

  99. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    Death is no big deal.

    Actually, if those near-death experiences are to be believed, Death is awesome. The tunnel and the bright light welcoming you into bliss. It’s like Six Flags on steroids. Why do people fear death yet stand in line for hours waiting to ride the coasters at amusement parks? I don’t get it.

  100. Neon Vincent August 20, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    Since this week’s entry is on the topic of rich and powerful people (Bernanke, Summers, and Yellen), it’s time to examine their psychology. In the comments to last week’s column, I linked to one of my entries describing how rich people feel more entitled and less empathetic, making them inclined to cheat and otherwise be less ethical. This is true even for people pretending to be rich in a role-playing exercise. This week, I have something about the psychology of powerful people. The research doesn’t show them as either entitled or unethical, but it certainly demonstrates that becoming power makes them less empathetic. That means that someone who is both rich and powerful is doubly likely to lack empathy. Isn’t that special?

    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/08/psychology-of-power-and-power-of-tipping.html

    • K-Dog August 20, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

      That which brings people together is good, that which separates them is bad. Think how different ALL our cities would be if this simple fundamental wisdom were dedicatedly followed .

      Poor and helpless is not to aspire to. Avoiding corruption of the soul is what matters. A rich man can feed more dogs if one is rich than poor.than a poor man can. It would be terrible if life circumstances controlled every aspect of what we are.

      Yet we must face the truth of what we are. The rich and powerful lack empathy, that is what membership in their tribe expects. Those not clever enough to balance this social pressure with their inner humanity can be very cruel fucks.

      Sometimes powerful people are hard to avoid so most people discover their lack of empathy the hard way and need no scientific study.

      I sure haven’t needed one.

      • K-Dog August 20, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

        A rich man can feed more dogs than a poor man can.

        An obvious incomplete edit.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 3:04 am #

        What about good fences making good neighbors? Why do you want to run into everyone’s yard to take a shit? Bringing people together is good? Why? You don’t want me or mine around. Nor do you want to live near Ghetto Blacks. You want everyone to be like you but that’s not going to happen. So you might want to revise your Utopia a bit.

  101. janet August 20, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

    Why do people fear death yet stand in line for hours waiting to ride the coasters at amusement parks? I don’t get it.

    Here is some personal information: I just got back from Hawaii. Spent time on the Lazy River and went down the water slide, at my kids’ urging. One of the water slides is with an inner tube and is open to sunlight. The other goes into a pitch black narrow tube (I don’t think my husband would fit, but he was scared to go anyway). At the end of the tube: light and a splash, sending you under water. Maybe death is like that? Though death couldn’t be as perfect as the Aulani Disney resort.

  102. janet August 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm #

    CrazyEddie said: “I got that covered, too…”

    You are doing excellent work, crazy Eddie. Your students are fortunate to have such an aware teacher. But Fall 2013 cometh. Time is short. Trillions of dollars will be lost in one day as the whole thing comes crashing down.

    • Neon Vincent August 20, 2013 at 5:56 pm #

      Thank you. I’d like to think so, too, but that would reveal my vanity.

      As for Fall 2013 coming soon, no kidding. Classes start Thursday of next week.

      Oh, you meant Kunstler’s prediction of imminent financial DOOM! Well, I think the current cyclical bull market has reached its peak and is within a month of being declared over, especially if it falls through the 15,000 support level and stays there for a while, but I’m not sure it will crash. However, even a a relatively orderly retreat to about 10,000 by 2015 would cause pain.

      Speaking of both people making projections and taking action based on the expectations of more money coming in and things I teach my students, the board of the Detroit Zoological Society has raised the salary of the Detroit Zoo’s director. The City of Detroit may be in bankruptcy, but its zoo is run by a non-profit and its assets are not in danger of liquidation. Also, the zoo has been doing great while everything around it is falling apart. Its rating as a zoo has increased right along with its financial soundness as a charity, so giving the director a raise is warranted–at least, so long as the money keeps coming in. We’ll see what my students uncover next summer after the zoo’s Form 990s are published.

      http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/08/detroit-zoo-directors-salary-goes-up.html

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 11:31 am #

        JHK, did you see this? My these ‘philanthropists’ live high.

        Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

        WASHINGTON – Bill Clinton’s foundation has spent more than $50 million on travel expenses since 2003, an analysis of the non-profit’s tax forms reveal.

        By GEOFF EARLE
        Last Updated: 10:12 AM, August 20, 2013

  103. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    Though death couldn’t be as perfect as the Aulani Disney resort.

    It sounds divine. We stayed at Disney Animal Kingdom Resort in Orlando several years prior. It was divine. Morning coffee on the veranda with the giraffes. No lie. They came right up to us as we were drinking our coffee and basking in the serenity. We spoke to them. It’s as though they understood. I thought of Toys R Us.

    I’ve been down one of those water slides that are enclosed. I can see where someone could get claustrophobic. It’s a tight squeeze for an average adult male, let alone a larger one, and the air is humid and stuffy. Needless to say, rides like that weren’t made for the likes of Chris Christie. He would definitely get wedged….very quickly, and they’d have to use the Jaws of Death to get him out if he didn’t smother and suffocate some poor kids on the way down before getting stuck.

  104. janet August 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Chuang Tzu (4th century BCE) says:

    Easy is right.
    Begin right and you are easy.
    Continue easy, and you are right.
    The right way to go easy is to forget the right way
    And forget that the going is easy.

    Chuang Tzu lived before oil and before the internal combustion engine.

    Chuang Tzu is still relevant to the 21st century Fall 2013 collapse… that is oh so close to us now.

    Easy is right.

  105. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    Easy is right.

    Yes, you get it. I can’t believe you brought this up. This is exactly what I recite to the homeless people who beg me for spare change. Money’s not the answer. Words of Wisdom are. Jesus Christ, I am so tempted to post a youtube right now…..but I won’t. I can control myself. I have the willpower even though it would be so easy.

  106. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    janet, did you get a chance to check out the Jack Lord museum when you were in Hawaii?

  107. janet August 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    Carol said: “This is exactly what I recite to the homeless people who beg me for spare change. Money’s not the answer.”

    “I and other North Siders have spent many hours over many months casually observing their activities. Our daily obligations simply take us past the same men over and over again.

    They rotate among intersections on East Street and Madison Avenue — access points for I-279 — but I’ve also seen one of them working a backed-up on-ramp for the Fort Duquesne Bridge during the afternoon rush.

    They spell each other breaks and hand things off to each other as they trade positions. They step away from their highly visible posts to use cell phones.

    Periodically a huge SUV with all its windows tinted rolls up. Money changes hands — and possibly more. Some of these men frequent a notorious drug house in my neighborhood.

    Please don’t misunderstand me: Homelessness is a serious problem. It always is during economic downturns, and this recession features stubbornly high jobless rates and unprecedented numbers of home foreclosures. People are truly suffering.

    Your generosity is needed as never before in our lifetime. But the wisest way to give is to send a check to the agencies and charities equipped to address the legitimate problems of homelessness or joblessness. A guy needing the money for his next hit of whatever? That isn’t legitimate.

  108. janet August 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    janet, did you get a chance to check out the Jack Lord museum when you were in Hawaii?

    No, I wasn’t aware of it. But I did get a chance to sit and rock for a long while in the wooden rocking chairs on the front porch of a hotel near Waikiki beach. Easy is right.

  109. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    Zoos are an atrocity. Dr. Stephen Best has brilliantly articulated the spectacle that we call a zoo.

    http://www.drstevebest.org/ZoosAndTheEnd.htm

    Zoos and The End of Nature

    The zoo is a perfect microcosm of the postmodern world. As we swim in a sea of simulated, pseudo-realities of the National Entertainment State, where everything from human bodies to national politics is faked and contrived, why not simulate nature, wilderness, animal behaviors, and entire species too? At this late stage in the capitalist colonization of the planet, few pockets of the natural world remain, and the zoo embodies the commodification, fragmentation, and technification of living processes — biodiversity reduced to artificially sustained “exhibits.”

    As the contradiction between society and nature unfolds, nature is increasingly dependent upon culture for the sustenance of advanced life, but culture, wedded to mechanistic models and primitive philosophies of hierarchy and domination, is not sufficiently advanced to preserve evolution. The zoo is the perfect symbol then for the entombment of the planet, for the sarcophagus of animal species, and for a human power pathology spiraling out of control. Zoos are first and foremost about power relations; they are both a cause and a symptom of the human will to mastery over the natural world.

  110. Carol Newquist August 20, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    But the wisest way to give is to send a check to the agencies and charities equipped to address the legitimate problems of homelessness or joblessness.

    Even this is dubious considering the following. It still remains; money’s not the answer.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/worst-charities-non-profits-spend-most-their-money-fundraising-1298829

    According to a yearlong investigation by the Tampa Bay Times and the Center for Investigative Reporting, there are about 6,000 charities that hire for-profit corporations to raise money and end up spending far too little on actual charitable activities. The nation’s 50 worst charities, as ranked by the Times and CIR, have paid corporate solicitors nearly $1 billion over 10 years.

    A good, highly efficient, charitable organization usually spends about 75 percent of the money it raises on charitable programs and the remaining 25 percent on general administration and fundraising, according to the American Institute of Philanthropy. At the lowest end of the “acceptable” spectrum are charities that spend 60 percent on charitable programs and the remaining 40 percent on general administration and fundraising.

    The Kids Wish Network, tied for lowest-rated on the Times and CIR’s list, has paid nearly $110 million to corporate solicitors and another $4.8 million to its founder and his own consulting firms. Only about $3.2 million of the total $127.8 billion raised by the charity has gone toward helping the dying children for whom it supposedly exists.

    According to Melissa Schwartz, a crisis management specialist hired by the Kids Wish Network, the charity hired outside companies to raise funds so that its staff could focus on granting wishes, reported the Times.

    These people are some of the lowest of the low….just one notch above those who abduct and sell children into prostitution.

  111. janet August 20, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    ‘Bout time for Mr. Georgia Militia Man’s message: “Good work this week, JHK. Support racist anti-immigrant efforts. Ban the troll trilogy.”

  112. ozone August 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    There’s trustiness everywhere, dudes and dudettes; not to worry, all is swell! Down a quart? Read this to renew your dwindling confidence levels!

    http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/08/19/slogger-trifecta/

    (They’ll think of something…)

  113. janet August 20, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    ozone said: “(They’ll think of something…)”

    Yes, THEY are trustworthy. THEY can always be counted upon to act in their own best interests. And since we live in a country of government of the people, by the people, for the people, I have no worries.

  114. ozone August 20, 2013 at 9:46 pm #

    Oh, dearie me, I’m SO sorry; I’m afraid I’m forced to reiterate:

    In case you should be puzzled or misled by gum’mint operatives proclaiming, “All is well; go shopping!”, these two sentences apply to the whole round world. Take it as a given, simply because nobody likes to dwell on those bad nasties that are going to curtail the god-blessed lifestyle of flagrant waste.

    ” In the background, of course, is the energy melodrama. How can anybody with half a brain suppose that the late turbo-industrial economy could “recover” with oil priced at $107 a barrel? Anyway, all the “recovery” memes floating around the collective media zeitgeist are based on a handful of doctored and massaged GDP numbers universally known to be false.” -JHK

    There, all fixed! [dusting off hands] Thank you for clarifying, Mr. Kunstler.

    I feel better, don’t you? There’s plenty of trustiness to splatter everywhere, especially if you’re paid to splatter it.

  115. rube-i-con August 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm #

    Rube, I got a feeling this time JHK is not crying wolf. This time his prediction of 4,000 DOW is going to happen before Christmas, during Fall 2013. This time the whole fiat money system is going to collapse.
    We don’t have much time: four months maximum. I would tell you to get your affairs in order, but I know you are one of those who will survive handily. I don’t think I’m going to make it through the Fall 2013 collapse, but that is OK, too. Whatever existence decides for me, to live or to die, is OK with me because we are all going to die anyway eventually. Death is no big deal.

    “whether a life is short or long, it is much the same thing”

    David Carradine, Kung Fu, ca. 1974?

    it is a peaceful thing to accept dying. it is probably the most noble, tranquil experience we will ever have. having literally watched someone loved die in front of me, i took extreme comfort in being mortal and having the opportunity to join them one day.

    peace peaceniks

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:39 am #

      So you believe in immortality?

  116. BackRowHeckler August 20, 2013 at 10:02 pm #

    Gas at the Marina in Mystic Harbor is $4.49 per gallon.

    Most boats — including some pretty good sized yachts — stay tied up at the pier. People are cooking out on deckside grills, drinking beer, swimming, fishing, enjoying the beautiful seaside vistas, but nobody is getting underway except for a few sailboats. Too expensive to run those things.

    Report from Long Island Sound from the …

    BackRowHeckler

    • ozone August 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

      Most perceptive, BRH!
      So THAT’s why you didn’t make the “Jam” at Haddam Neck Fairgrounds. ;)

      Anywhich, thanks for the reportage, and keep relaxin’ and enjoyin’!
      I’m sure we’ll get to mo’ musics fairly soon. Stay smooooooth.

  117. progress4what August 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    While the World’s financial situation is bad, I’m of the opinion that that ALONE is not going to be enough to cause US society to collapse.* There are too many tricks at the disposal of the Fed and the international banksters. And their ability to conjure fiat money out of thin air makes all sorts of extensions and pretensions possible – certainly not forever, but for a good long while.

    Which is not to imply that decline isn’t already happening – only that it will take some sort of additional triggering event, PLUS the financial chicanery- to push things over the edge.

    *And this not to say that your views about financial collapse don’t make for some damn fine entertainment. And you could just be correct after all.

  118. progress4what August 20, 2013 at 10:25 pm #

    This was a great post, at the end of last week, Marlin.
    I’m going to take the liberty of reposting it:

    “Obama spent yesterday golfing with Larry David. Think they discussed monumental events in the Middle East, which is up in flames? Probably not. David is a comedian so they were probably just yucking it up and having a good time. Meanwhile, in Egypt, Nuns are being dragged out of Catholic Churches and paraded thru the streets (yesterday), Coptic and Catholic Churches are vandalized and burned, and Christians are hiding and running for their lives. There was a time when these acts would evoke a note of protest from the Pope, from the US President, from Kings and Prime Ministers in Europe. Further back armies might be mobilized to protect fellow Christians and Christian Sites. When Nietzsche said God was dead in the 1880s he meant the elite in the West no longer believed in a Christian God and all bets were off, all standards of behavior and restraint abandoned, and, in the future, anything goes. From our vantage point in 2013 we can see how prescient Nietzsche was.

    That reminds me. Any of you CFNers down for the Million Muslim March on Washington scheduled for 9/11? I hear its going to be a helluva time. There will be a Code Pink and Owser contingent in the parade, so there is your in.”….bth….

  119. progress4what August 20, 2013 at 10:34 pm #

    “Support racist anti-immigrant efforts.”
    …ja’soker the Troll…

    “Support racist anti-immigrant efforts.”
    …..ja’soker the Troll….

    You are one small-minded human being, ja’soker.

    But you’re a great Internet Troll.

    If James Howard Kunstler should ban you – it is deserved.

    ==================

    and “bth,” from the end of previous comment should be “BRH.”

    • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 1:46 am #

      “BRH.”????

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 3:00 am #

        It’s either short for Brith as in Bnai Brith (Sons of the Covenant) or the initials of Back Row Heckler. Better living through Acronyms? Or the Tower of Babel all over again?

  120. janet August 20, 2013 at 10:44 pm #

    BRH said: “Gas at the Marina in Mystic Harbor is $4.49 per gallon.”

    ============

    BRH, is that for regular unleaded or for diesel?

    Some places are still at $3.50 or lower.

    Your example is a perfect description of voluntary demand destruction… it is the realization of Budiswizer’s dream of lessened discretionary waste of energy, you know, for things like taking your yacht out for a spin.

  121. janet August 20, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    and “bth,” from the end of previous comment should be “BRH.”

    ===========

    Thank you. I was immediately aware of my error. I did not correct it because that would mean sending another post and spamming CFN.

    Now you have corrected my error and I have responded to you.

    So the amount of spam has doubled. So it goes every week you repeat the same ban request message which is obviously being ignored by JHK. You are a nuisance who contributes nothing of substance.

    Thank you for the compliment, by the way.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:37 am #

      Black kids were bored so they decided to kill somebody. Just happened to be a White. But no bid deal right? There are just millions of these animals out of their cages.

      http://www.amren.com/news/2013/08/pictured-teens-who-shot-dead-australian-student-in-the-street-because-they-were-bored/

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 1:47 am #

        Was on Coast to Coast Radio a few minutes ago. No mention of race.
        Chanceys mom was a mud shark, rumor has it.

        [mudsharks a wigger who [or 'that'] screws black males].

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 2:57 am #

          What can’t Blacks be like Johnny anymore? Guess it was just an act to fool Whitey so he’d let his guard down….






          • Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 7:07 am #

            Please don’t post youtubes in tyhe comments section.

  122. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 7:26 am #

    There are just millions of these animals out of their cages.

    You’re out of line with this statement. I believe you’re here to muddy the waters on issues of race. An honest discussion can not be had when you interject garbage like this and it goes unchecked by the majority. Allowing it to slide time and time again, or ignoring it as janet is wont to do, legitimates it. It’s not legitimate. It’s duplicitous and disgusting, and either way, you win. So long as posters feel a responsibility to not ignore your racist rants, their time is focused on reacting to your nonsense rather than having a constructive dialogue about race. Your tactics are deceptive. Your goal is to distract a healthy discussion about race by dragging any attempt at it into the mud.

    We’re all animals and we’re all in and out of our metaphorical cages. The fact that you think you’re not and you’re somehow above the fray is an example of pure delusional hubris.

  123. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 7:56 am #

    A healthy discussion about race starts with common definitions of terms. Considering that, I believe race, racism and racist need to be clarified and defined. These words are so abused these days, they’ve lost any meaning they once may have had.

    Race is defined as follows by Wikipedia:

    Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation. First used to denote national affiliations, the term began to be used to relate to physical traits in the 17th century and promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2][3]

    While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[4] or simplistic way,[5] i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[6][7]

    The problem I see with this term is that legitimate forms of distinction and classification, i.e. cultural, historical, linguistic, geographical, ethnic and religious…..all social distinctions and classifications, get conflated with presumed biological distinctions/classifications, and as we know, from a biological perspective, race in this sense does not exist. This is an important point and key to any further discussion about “race”. If there are those who still believe race is a viable biological construct, then the discussion can go no further until that’s reconciled. You can’t agree to disagree on this very basic issue. It’s the basis of all else when discussing the issue of “race”. So, where do each of youl stand on the definition of “race”? Do you believe it’s only the social distinctions/classifications mentioned and biology plays no part, or do you hold firm to the historic notion of the word and believe biology does play a part? If the former, do you also believe that the term is inadequate and perhaps a new term should take its place? I do. If you’re of the latter opinion, I suggest that a healthy discussion of this topic can’t proceed with you. What I mean to say is, if the majority of us agree with the former and proceed to discuss the issue constructively, then the discussion will be distracted and dragged back to square one by the likes of Janos who believe the latter. See where this is going? No progress (haha) can be made so long as the discussion gets defaulted back to start.

    • Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 7:58 am #

      you

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

      Race is real and biological. To say otherwise is to deny the evident realities. Who you going to believe, your ideology or your lyin’ eyes?

      Wolves and Dogs are the same, yet different. They can interbreed yet they behave so differently. Same with the different breeds of dogs. All this is a fine analogy for the different races of Man, which differ in both body and mind.

  124. ozone August 21, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    As another facet of the Economy-That-Wasn’t, could the employment stats be juked too? (I’m SHOCKED, I tell you.) It’s just what was left out of the numbers that’s germane to jobs becoming Mcjobs.

    Talk about your short-term thinking. Turning full-timers into part-timers allows your company to “make more profit for the execs and shareholders”, but they may as well stuff those profits in a carpetbag and hop a freight outta town, because their former employees can’t buy any of their products and they’re strangling the goose that laid their golden eggs.

    Here’s how it’s done:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35920.htm

  125. ozone August 21, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    In response to that article, someone posited this, regarding the [conscious] world-wide spread of poverty:

    “None of this can be a mystery to economists and ‘deciders”, much less the Fed, ECB, WB, IMF. So, just what is the goal, then? Does the global 10% intend to take their spectacular, stolen gains and hole up in a parallel universe?

    If you add to this picture the two trans-oceanic frade treaties that are presently under secretive negotiation [Trans-Pacific Partnership and Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership], which will abolish national sovereignty, national laws and regulations, there’s reason to believe that the strategy consists of renouncing any responsibility to the working class. “You’re on your own”. ”

    Who was that you trusted, again?
    BeingThere tried to get this idea across and was ‘pollyanna-ed’ for her efforts.

  126. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    Who was that you trusted, again?

    No one, not even myself.

  127. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    In a better world, there is no such thing as a “working class” and there is no such thing as “work” as that term has come to be udnerstood. And let’s face it, much of what was called “work” in the late 19th and 20th centuries, and even what we call “work” now, is shit. It’s not something you want to protect, or something you want to revisit. Imagine working in an early Ford manufacturing plant. The turnover was ridiculously high because the “work” was awful. “Work” in industrial civilization, whether it’s a cubicle job or one on a factory floor, is soul-sucking and soul-destroying. It’s insanity. And for what? So we can possess the potential to blow the planet up a million times over? That seems to be the only valid explanation, and the one never mentioned.

  128. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    I support Janet Hollerin ;o) as next FED chairperson.

    • ozone August 21, 2013 at 11:38 am #

      Aaahahaha!
      Ms. Bellerin’ would also be a fine choice.
      (BTW, a certain ‘ja’soka’ is rankled by them cute a’spellin’s…
      Do more! ;) )

  129. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    Getting back to the “race” issue, those who cannot mentally evolve and accept that race has no biological validity and further, use unscientific means in a vain and transparent attempt to feign biological race, can properly be called “racists” and their nurtured and protected ideology can properly be called “racism”. I was going to distinguish between people who believe race can be determined biologically and use that inaccurate conclusion to promote their superiority and people who believe race can be determined biologically but don’t use that inaccurate conclusion to promote superiority or inferiority, however, it’s obvious the number of people belonging to the latter description is zero, meaning they don’t exist. There is only the former, and that former is likened to a fundamentalist fill-in-the-blank. You can argue with them until the cows come home, but to no avail so firm is their conviction. It’s a matter of faith on their part, and faith is implacable.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

      Blacks are better runners. And Whites are smarter. Big differences like these come from “small” genetic differences. It’s like charting a course on a Starship: a difference of .1 degrees makes for a huge difference in destination over the course of light years.

  130. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    I support Janet Hollerin ;o) as next FED chairperson.

    Is this another way of saying you’re gellin with Yellen? Dr. Shoal is too.

  131. janet August 21, 2013 at 11:26 am #

    Qshtik said: “I support Janet Hollerin ;o) as next FED chairperson.”

    I agree. QE works both ways.

    BTW, smiley aside, the respectful spelling is Yellen.

    JHK has indicated his distaste for “cute” spellings… (see ozone)

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 1:13 pm #

      Truth be known, I don’t support anyone for next FED chair or even the existence of the FED itself.

  132. janet August 21, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    ozone asks: “Does the global 10% intend to take their spectacular, stolen gains and hole up in a parallel universe?”

    Good question.

    The answer is there is no where to run, no where to hide.

    Also, do the Fed, ECB, WB, IMF, etc. all get together on the best way to steal from us 90 per centers? Or is this just more ozone paranoia.

    Can’t trust governments or economists or any of the alphabet soup agencies, can you ozone? They are all nefarious. They are all evil. Their (unstated) true intention is to screw you over.

    What a sad world you inhabit, ozone. Threats everywhere you look.

    • Elmendorf August 21, 2013 at 11:58 am #

      Janet said:

      Also, do the Fed, ECB, WB, IMF, etc. all get together on the best way to steal from us 90 per centers? Or is this just more ozone paranoia.

      Can’t trust governments or economists or any of the alphabet soup agencies, can you ozone? They are all nefarious. They are all evil. Their (unstated) true intention is to screw you over.

      What a sad world you inhabit, ozone. Threats everywhere you look.
      *************************************************************************************

      Oh, yeah, Janet, the government is as cuddly as a Teddy Bear and as innocuous as Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. Gee, they’re just a redux of Timmy and Lassie all over again. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND??

      DId you not notice that HR 347 nullified the First Amendment of the Constitution just as the Patriot Act and NSA snooping ended the Fourth Amendment. Now, citizens cannot protest anywhere the Secret Service is present or at any event deemed to be of “national significance”. The Supreme Court has done nothing.

      As for your beloved domestic and international economic agencies, they are quite well aware that somewhere around three-quarters of all newly-created jobs are PART-TIME. Fifty-two percent of college grads are vastly underemployed usually working at jobs that have little or nothing to do with their degrees.

      But mandarins like you really should just go back to bed and feed your narcotized state that there’s nothing to look at here … just move along … nothing to see.

      E.

      • K-Dog August 21, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

        DId you not notice that HR 347 nullified the First Amendment of the Constitution just as the Patriot Act and NSA snooping ended the Fourth Amendment. Now, citizens cannot protest anywhere the Secret Service is

        Only the Congress or states can actually change the Constitution is by constitutional amendment. An amendment must to be ratified by a fixed number of states before it takes effect. The constitution could be changed at a constitutional Convention but that has not been done since the 1700s. The Supreme Court can interpret but cannot change the Constitution.and presidents can choose which parts to execute and obey and which to ignore. The smell of accountability hangs over both the court and executive but the scent is weak. Significant to the current atmosphere both the court and executive seem bent on erasing what little accountability there is.

        • Elmendorf August 22, 2013 at 2:03 am #

          The “scent” couldn’t be picked up by a freaking bloodhound!! I just wonder who are the power brokers telling Obama and the Congress to nullify the Bill of Rights in broad daylight because “we got your back”.

          When you look at the vote roll call for HR 347 suddenly you realize that there’s NO virtuous circle of even the tiniest proportion in Congress.

          E.

  133. ozone August 21, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    And what a skewed and useless universe of unicorns, rainbows and happy-smoke blown uppa-u-ayss you inhabit, ja’soka. (Good for the goose, etc, carbuncle of the blog.)

  134. Gold-eLock August 21, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    “When the water goes out…”
    “when the water comes rushing back in again…”

    Thing is, this type of predictions has been done for at least 10 years, if not more. With good reasons, obviously.

    But all this reminds me the old movies : “tomorrow – the revolution”. Tomorrow, the fit will hit the shan. Tomorrow, the generalized Lehman Event will happen, big way, because we cannot imagine that things will go on with such crappy fundamentals.

    But they do go on.

  135. beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    Unemployment figures are so full of crap. First, all the media report is the U3 number. Next, nobody discusses the birth/death models the BLS uses for determining unemployment/employment figures. The BLS can’t knock on everyone’s door and see if they’re employed or not, so it developed a mathematical model to make a guess. Is the model accurate? Does anyone know what assumptions the model is based on? Does anyone trust the government to be honest about the figures (I know, I know, our government lies to us? Come on!)?

    The only accurate way to determine the health of the economy is for individuals to determine their own income vs. expenses numbers. Is their purchasing power rising or falling? If it’s falling, then the economy is not good, at least for them. Get enough of these purchasing power figures and you begin to get a more realistic picture.

    In my life, I don’t know ANYBODY who is better off, or at the same level now than 10 years ago. For me, I have to say anecdotally that we are worse off. It’s really not complicated, but economists are masters of obfuscation.

  136. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    Pete Najarian, CNBC talking head regular, asked guest financial grey-beard (actually, he’s clean shaven) Byron Wien… “so, Byron, are there any specific industries, countries, or even individual stock names that you can speak to?”

    This is a form of corporate-speak I have never understood and have detested from the first time I heard it some 30 years ago.

    Can anyone here (Titch perhaps?) explain the logic of saying “speak to” as opposed to “speak about,” a subject?

    God, you have no idea how this grates on my nerves.

  137. beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

    So, while we cannot say whether or not we will suffer an economic/political/societal collapse, we can reliably state that for most of us, we are NOT better off than before. Who really cares about the future’s exact path, anyway? Maybe a better question is, what is the probability we will be better off in 1, 5 or10 years?

  138. janet August 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    E. said: “somewhere around three-quarters of all newly-created jobs are PART-TIME.”

    ===========

    Yes, and with a 25% unofficial (“E-approved?”) unemployment rate, the ethical thing to do is to create MORE part-time jobs, so more people can have at least a chance of buying some Ramen noodles at Walmart for 15 cents a package.

    When a few people have full-time jobs and many have no jobs, that is fucked: income inequality goes up; dependence on government welfare goes up. Better to distribute employment among a larger number of people by creating MORE part time jobs. Let’s give some credit for Obamacare, if Rush Limbaugh is to be believed, for helping create MORE part time jobs (albeit for the wrong reasons).

    Also, pay those burger flipper type jobs at a new minimum wage of $15 an hour. Better would be a living wage at $25 an hour.

    Some say raising minimum wage will lead to employers firing people. But there will be no job loss or outsourcing because low-wage jobs are service jobs that can neither be outsourced nor automated.

    The evidence points the other way: Workers earn more and spend more, increasing demand and helping businesses grow.

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

      I say make it $115/hr. Why dick around with $15?

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

        That would be excessive. We have to find a happy medium: not too much or too little. I mean be serious man. The invisible hand is a wanker. They control it. If it was up to them, they’d give us next to nothing. They didn’t give up child labor of their own accord, they were forced to by the government. If you find nothing objectionable about 6 year olds working in factories, it speaks to the condition of your Heart. The “to” is a nudge; not about a subject but to one.

        Paul Volker said the wages of the American Worker must fall. They did. Now was he speaking on behalf of the American People or their Master?

        • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

          The invisible hand is a wanker. – Janos

          How do you know? We haven’t given the invisible hand a chance to operate for 75 years.

          It amazes me how you can think a dozen people in a conference room can come up with an appropriate hourly rate that is better than the combined wisdom of 300 million people.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

            Yes you are amazed and you can’t believe it, but it is true – that they make up the rates that is. I never said it was a better way. The right way is to have non greedsters decide.

            The market does play a role of course, making pro athletes into multi-millionaires while pilots sleep for 5 hours in lobbies or flop houses before they have another shift. The Market = the Jungle. Read Upton Sinclair.

  139. janet August 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    Beantown says: “Maybe a better question is, what is the probability we will be better off in 1, 5 or 10 years?”

    =============

    No, JHK has been very clear, crystal clear, on this question in the past two weeks: This whole economy is going to come crashing down in FALL 2013.

    The question should be: what is going to happen in 1 week, 5 weeks, or 10 weeks time and what am I going to do between now and Fall 2013 and what am I going to do when TSHTF?

    This is serious business. Millions could die in America. Much to the delight of P4W, our national population could result in fewer than 100 million survivors. Societal collapse is nothing to joke about or conjecture about in a time frame of 1, 5, or 10 years.

    WE ARE IN CRUNCH TIME NOW!

  140. janet August 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

    Beantown said: “Get enough of these purchasing power figures and you begin to get a more realistic picture.

    In my life, I don’t know ANYBODY who is better off, or at the same level now than 10 years ago. ”

    Ten years ago there were hundreds of thousands of people paying mortgage payments of $1,000 a month. In the past ten years some of those people managed to pay off their mortgages completely. They are now “free and clear” (I am one of them, perhaps the only one you “know,” Beantown.

    So what does that mean in practical terms? It means I have an increased purchasing power of $1000 a month compare to ten years ago. Think hard, Beantown. No one in your extended family paid off a mortgage in the last ten years?

  141. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Continuing with the “race” issue, in the last post it was determined what “race” has meant historically, and by virtue of that, a workable definition of “racism” and “racist” were developed. Keeping the discussion focused on the U.S., it’s clear that historically, and to this day, those who can be labeled “racist” using the developed definition that a “racist” is someone who believes “race” can be biologically determined and as a result uses this belief to determine superiority and inferiority, emanate from the demographic of the U.S. population that is commonly labeled “white”. You’d be hard-pressed to find many people commonly referred to demographically as “black” who cling to such a notion of superiority or inferiority based on voodoo racial biology. As we all know, the history of the U.S. is, amongst other things, a history of chronic “racism” as it’s now been defined, and this oft referred to Shining City on the Hill has for much of its history been festooned with “racists” practicing their craft. “Racism”, once upon a time and for a long time in the U.S., was considered normal in the U.S. In fact, if you weren’t a “racist” and you weren’t practicing “racism”, there was something wrong with you and if you weren’t careful, you’d be ostracized.

    What has just been described is a legacy, and that legacy still haunts the U.S. today in a myriad of ways. Per the developed definition of “racism”, it still exists and is practiced by some to this day, albeit not anywhere near the degree to which it was historically. It’s a sad statement it still exists, that it hasn’t been stomped it and eradicated entirely, but at least it’s been sufficiently neutralized and marginalized. So much so, that when an example of it like Janos rears its ugly head, a now normal reaction is to be revolted by it and by the “racist” who proffered it. That is a good thing, and that revulsion should be acted upon. A “racist” should be given no truck. A “racist” should be duly identified as such when it rears its ugly head, and it should be precluded from dragging constructive discussions about “race” back to square one, or into the mud.

    The next post will deal with social bigotry, and in my opinion, this is where all the heretofore “racism” resides. It didn’t disappear entirely or even substantially, rather it changed form and became a somewhat more benign derivative of its former incarnation.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

      America was founded by Whites for Whites. Anything else is just revisionism. Shame on you.

      The Blacks shouldn’t have been brought here. Did we learn anything? No, since we’re in the process of bringing in another hostile Nation, namely the Hispanics. We listened to the wrong people and we still are. It’s too late for most of America. Maybe if Whites concentrate in certain areas, these can be saved for our Race and Culture. And there is no Nation apart from these two. The Nation is the Apex of the Triangle, and Race and Culture are the Base.

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

        1950: was the worlds pop. 30% White? Now 8%?

  142. janet August 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    “when an example of it like Janos rears its ugly head”

    ============

    Thank you, Carol, for insisting on having a race debate on CFN.

    However, I would like to come to the defense of Janos. He is not 100% racist. For example, when it comes to the 2nd amendment Janos is a staunch supporter and believes EVERYONE has a right to bear arms. That means Janos supports the right of ALL angry Black men (and all ethnic groups of color) to arm themselves with assault weapons.

    These, for example, are available from my local Walmart:

    Sig Sauer M400 semiautomatic assault rifle

    Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle

    Semiautomatic Colt M4 OPS .22 rifle

    Colt LE6920 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle, 223 Rem/5.56 NATO

    Smith & Wesson 811030 MP1522 Rifle

    Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun

  143. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    However, I would like to come to the defense of Janos. He is not 100% racist. For example, when it comes to the 2nd amendment Janos is a staunch supporter and believes EVERYONE has a right to bear arms.

    So true. Great point. “Racism”, and social bigotry which I will discuss in my next post, are easily set aside when it comes to corporate profit. And, when it comes to corporate profit, “Racism” and social bigotry can be used to bolster it. It’s all a matter of convenience. Whatever can give that edge, it will be done.

  144. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Yes, and with a 25% unofficial (“E-approved?”) unemployment rate, the ethical thing to do is to create MORE part-time jobs, so more people can have at least a chance of buying some Ramen noodles at Walmart for 15 cents a package. – Ja’Soka

    They just discussed this on CNBC a moment ago. They said that many of the part-time workers were free-lancers with technical skills and that the small businesses who hired them (as independent contractors) were trying to stay under an employee headcount (15, I believe) threshold that would otherwise force them to offer medical plans.

  145. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    There’s a women on CNBC right now (with some superior cleavage, BTW) giving her take on the just released FOMC meeting minutes. The DOW’s reaction was to drop quickly to negative 117 pts.

  146. janet August 21, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    PS
    I know Walmart calls these assault weapons and technically they are not true assault weapons. But if you are assaulted with one, you’ll be just as dead.

  147. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    The DOW’s reaction was to drop quickly to negative 117 pts.

    Those electronic trading algorithms are impressive. They do a great job of making it all look so real.

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

      Those electronic trading algorithms are impressive.

      When the market drops like a stone it’s algorithms. When it just as quickly gains it all back (like it just did) it’s clear seeing optimists like Ja’Soka that caused it.

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 3:57 pm #

      “Racism”, and social bigotry which I will discuss in my next post – “Carol” at 1:59PM

      How are electronic trading algorithms connected to “Racism”, and social bigotry?

  148. janet August 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Q. said: “They just discussed this on CNBC a moment ago.”

    I seriously doubt the talking heads on CNBC have any fucking idea of the cost of Ramen noodles at Walmart.

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

      I seriously doubt the talking heads on CNBC have any fucking idea of the cost of Ramen noodles at Walmart. – Ja’Soka

      They know more about what’s happening at WalMart than YOU will ever know.

  149. janet August 21, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Carol said: “Those [DOW] electronic trading algorithms are impressive. They do a great job of making it all look so real.”

    Good point.

    People like Q. and Beantown and Eleuthero will instantly disbelieve Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers. I never hear them doubt Wall Street numbers.

  150. janet August 21, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    Obamacare explained in 214 words

    Obamacare is based on a few simple principles:

    If you have health coverage you like, you can keep it. Children under 26 can stay on a parent’s health insurance plan.

    If you don’t have coverage, you can use the new Health Insurance Marketplace to buy a private insurance plan.

    Pre-existing conditions are covered. So are many preventive services and 10 essential health benefits.

    Depending on your family size and income, you may get lower costs on monthly premiums and out-of-pocket costs.

    You may also qualify for free or low-cost coverage from Medicaid or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Many states are expanding Medicaid to cover more people in 2014.

    If you don’t have coverage in 2014 you’ll have to pay a fee. In 2014 it’s $95 per adult ($47.50 per child) or 1% of income, whichever is higher. The family max is $285.

    If you have coverage and want to explore Marketplace plans, you can. But if you have an offer of insurance from an employer, you may not be able to get lower costs on Marketplace insurance based on your income.

    Medicare isn’t part of the Marketplace. If you have Medicare, keep it.

    Marketplace open enrollment starts October 1, 2013. It closes March 31, 2014.

  151. janet August 21, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    With the crash coming this Fall 2013, as JHK has emphasized these past two weeks, it is important for everyone to get word on how to deal with TSHTF.

    I ask English only folks to ignore this as I am now addressing those who only read Spanish:

    Permitir que la vida sea tal y como es — a diferencia de esforzarse por acabar con los pensamientos o con el ‘yo’ o por ‘iluminarse’ — permite que la búsqueda desaparezca de forma natural. En esta obra de teatro, cualquier esfuerzo por desprenderse del ‘yo’ sólo sirve para reforzar la identificación con él. — Nathan Gill

    Please resume your regularly scheduled Asoka-obsessed programming.

  152. janet August 21, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    ON THE “BODY ART” FRONT

    A bill has passed the Senate that calls for more regulation of body art according to an August 20 report by The Inquisitor. In fact, it would place a ban on “non-traditional body art and skin implants.” The bill’s sponsor, Senator Missy Irvin of Mountain View, Arkansas, aims to limit body art procedures, particularly scarification and dermal implants.

    In Senator Irvin’s opinion the procedures are dangerous not only to the patient but also to the community. Her reasoning is that scarification is a procedure tattoo artists are not qualified to perform for sanitary reasons. Now, by a vote of 26-4, the Senate moved to outlaw scarification, a procedure that involves scarring of skin by scratching or using heat to create an inkless tattoo, and implants that insert ornaments under the skin including dermal implant jewelry or sub dermal implants like those Lizardman wears over each of his eyes to achieve a horned ridge effect.

    Senator Missy Irvin also cites the history of scarification as a reason for banning it. “One of the students at my school was from an African tribe, and hearing her stories about female circumcision was pretty harrowing.” However, that practice is not scarification, nor an implant procedure.

  153. janet August 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    ON THE FRACKING FRONT

    http://soe.salsalabs.com/o/1/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=329&track=2013_0821_National_Parks_Fracking

    The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has proposed a set of dismal rules that fail to protect 600 million acres of federal land from the dangers of fracking.

    These regulations would allow oil and gas companies to frack right next to national park land.

    There are just two days left say NO to this plan – send your urgent message now.

    Across the country, fracking has turned pristine landscapes into industrial zones. Yet the oil and gas industry is seeking to bring this dirty drilling right into our national forests and right next to our national parks.

    Fracking produces millions of gallons of hazardous wastewater that can contain radioactive substances, depletes precious water resources and can force natural gas and toxic chemicals into the local drinking water.

    Our national forests are home to some of our country’s most precious creatures: bears, elk, mule deer, bighorn sheep, mountain goats, and mountain lions… just to name a few.

    If these dangerous rules are approved, some of our most majestic animals could soon be exposed to toxic chemicals and hazardous wastewater.

    Don’t let our forests get exposed to the dangers of fracking! Submit your comment to the Department of the Interior today urging them to protect our national parks from the dangers of fracking. But hurry! The deadline for comments is this Friday, August 23.

    And, if the risks to precious wildlife and wild places weren’t enough, oil and gas drillers want to frack in national forests that provide drinking water to millions of Americans. The proposed BLM rule would do nothing to stop them.

    We only have 48 hours to urge the Department of the Interior to protect our national parks from the dangers of fracking. Submit your comment before the Friday, August 23 deadline!

    http://soe.salsalabs.com/o/1/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=329&track=2013_0821_National_Parks_Fracking

    • Neon Vincent August 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

      Thanks for the link to Salsa Labs so people can be involved in the decision making process, if only to satisfy the public participation requirement for environmental policy in a democratic republic. The worst that will happen is that the public participation will be noted, then ignored. With luck, the powers that be may actually listen.

      Speaking of fracking and public participation, there was a fracking town hall in western Michigan last month. It got a decent amount of coverage in the media in Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo and likely a lot of participation. I’ll have to follow up on what, if anything, resulted.

      http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/07/fracking-town-hall-in-west-michigan.html

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 5:07 pm #

      The Bureau of Loose Morals Management (BLMM) has proposed a set of dismal rules that fail to protect many millions of religious fundamentalists from the dangers of fucking.

      These regulations would allow loose women to fuck right next to national park land.

      There are just two days left say NO to this plan – send your urgent message now.

      Across the country, fucking has turned pristine landscapes into industrial brothels. Yet industry is seeking to bring this dirty practice right into our national forests and right next to our national parks.

      Fucking produces millions of gallons of hazardous sperm, depletes our precious fluids and can force these toxic substances into the local drinking water.

      Our national forests are home to some of our country’s most precious creatures: bears, elk, mule deer, bighorn sheep, mountain goats, and mountain lions… just to name a few.

      If these dangerous rules are approved, some of our most majestic animals could soon be exposed to observing the depravity of these disgusting human animals.

      Don’t let our forests get exposed to the dangers of fucking! Submit your comment to the Department of the Interior today urging them to protect our national parks from the dangers of fucking. But hurry! The deadline for comments is this Friday, August 23.

      And, if the risks to precious wildlife and wild places weren’t enough, persons of loose morals want to fuck in national forests that provide drinking water to millions of Americans. The proposed BLMM rule would do nothing to stop them.

      We only have 48 hours to urge the Department of the Interior to protect our national parks from the dangers of fucking. Submit your comment before the Friday, August 23 deadline!

      • Neon Vincent August 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

        Despite your intent, your comment is not just a joke. After all, one of “the dangers of fucking” is overpopulation, which, along with technology and affluence, drive environmental impact. The equation is I = P * A * T. Going back to janet’s comment, fracking is a perfect example of technology in the service of population and affluence increasing impact.

        Of course, if you want to stick to “the dangers of fucking,” then you can meditate on the population passing 7 billion two years ago.

        http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2011/11/next-media-animation-on-seven-billion.html

      • Neon Vincent August 26, 2013 at 9:08 am #

        BTW, when you called the BLM the “Bureau of Loose Morals Management,” who needed to be told about the “dangers of fucking” you were also inadvertently making more than a joke. Five years ago, there was a scandal in which the BLM was literally in bed with the oil lobbyists. One of the people involved even got pregnant.

        “Sex, Drug Use and Graft Cited in Interior Department”
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html?pagewanted=all

        • Neon Vincent August 26, 2013 at 9:10 am #

          Actually, it was the Minerals Management Service, another part of the Department of Interior. Too bad. When I was in the Park Service, we could have used another nickname for the BLM besides “Bunch of Lazy Mothers.”

  154. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    Wow! Who needs roller coasters.

    -5
    -117
    +13
    -105

    • Neon Vincent August 21, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

      I don’t have to follow the stock market to experience a price roller coaster. I just have to keep tabs on local gas prices. Besides, it keeps me from being a casualty in the gas wars.

      http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-gas-price-bounced-in-time-for-dream.html

      • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

        I just have to keep tabs on local gas prices. – NV

        Yeah, but the numbers I posted happened between 2 and 4 PM TODAY!

        • Neon Vincent August 21, 2013 at 8:11 pm #

          So they did. As I wrote on the previous page of comments: “I think the current cyclical bull market has reached its peak and is within a month of being declared over, especially if it falls through the 15,000 support level and stays there for a while, but I’m not sure it will crash. However, even a a relatively orderly retreat to about 10,000 by 2015 would cause pain.” That prediction looks better already. Time to transfer my money out of my old 401K and put it in something other than stocks. Bonds look good.

  155. Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Boy, something is fucked up on this site. I went back to last week’s essay — The Valleys of Blog — published on 8/12/13 looking for a particular comment I posted on 8/14. The very first comment that appears is dated 8/18 at 5 something PM. All comments that preceded it are missing.

  156. K-Dog August 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    Ozone’s link to the doomsteaddiner found an interesting blogger.

    THE SATURDAY ESSAY: How a Western cultural revolution handed power to the inhuman core of humanity

    I’m going to link his site on my back page.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

      Here’s another aspect to the story – the governmental side. After all, Liberalism IS the official Ideology of the Capitalist system now. And at high levels, Liberals effortlessly jump from Government to Business to Academia all the time.

      http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/08/the-other-racial-spoils-system/#more-41558

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

        Did you check the ‘Halifax bank anti White ad’?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

          No, I haven’t heard of it. Is it a “good” one?

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

        I like it:

        The Other Racial Spoils System
        Andrew Hamilton /counter-currents.com

        1,557 words
        There are two sides to the gigantic racial spoils system that has been erected since WWII.
        One side consists of affirmative action, institutionalized (anti-white) discrimination, compulsory tax and wealth transfers, educational and job preferences, hate crime and hate speech laws, anti-colonialism, “anti-racism,” the Holocaust industry, Zionism, gerrymandered districts, foreign aid, refugee assistance, caste-based professional sports, forced integration, restrictions on property and free association rights, massive interracial prostitution of white girls by pimps, pornographers, and other assorted sex traffickers, replacement migration, and colored-on-white crime and violence.
        On the other side, the economic self-interest and ingenuity of many whites have been enlisted to destroy their own culture and people. According to this model, or hypothesis, an alternative racial spoils system creates middle- and upper-income jobs that harm the race but economically reward their white holders.
        Hollywood actors are a good example: people who are well-paid to defame their race and culture. The military and intelligence agencies with their innumerable private contractors, and associated Veterans Administration, also come to mind. They, too, are harmful to the country and race.
        Another example is the “refugee” racket, a network of private, “nonprofit” agencies headquartered in Washington DC, or with lobbying offices there, that selects the communities where refugees will be sent, processes, transfers, and resettles them, and connects them to subsidized housing, new automobiles, and a vast array of welfare benefits. These nonprofits lobby Capitol Hill and state legislatures for funding and the admission of more and more refugees. (Lobbyists, too, are generally upper-income whites or Jews who make a good living.)
        Refugee resettlement is a profitable activity funded by federal, state, and local tax money. According to one website, there are nine major refugee resettlement organizations with 450 affiliated organizations throughout the country. They are:
        US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)
        Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS)
        International Rescue Committee (IRC)
        World Relief Corporation
        Immigrant and Refugee Services of America (IRSA)
        Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)
        Church World Service (CWS)
        Domestic and Foreign Missionary Service of the Episcopal Church of the USA
        Ethiopian Community Development Center (ECDC)
        The list reveals another pocket of the spoils system: “mainstream” (Left-wing) Christian churches, seminaries, publications, schools, colleges, and related organizations.
        The fact that this massive spoils system is invisible, and never reported about to the public, makes it difficult to keep in proper perspective. It would require a massive research effort to get a sense of what is actually going on.
        In “white” areas of the country a large majority of courthouse, license bureau, and similar government offices are filled with white women (not men). Even the bosses are women. These are stable, well-paying middle-class jobs with good benefits. White women also commonly serve as city managers, budget directors, librarians, and arts council heads. Post offices employ many women, though usually not a majority.
        White men and women also work as university professors and administrators who socialize upcoming elites. Such people have long been, with few exceptions, hardcore Left-wing ideologues and bulwarks of the Democratic Party. When I went to college decades ago there was only one Republican in the entire political science department of a large state university. And he was just a Republican, not an extremist counterpart on the right—a neo-Nazi—of the Marxist professors who everywhere clog the universities.
        The odds of this happening in the absence of ideological patronage or spoils are . . . zero. Such lopsided outcomes aren’t the consequence of an evenhanded merit system. The rules of the game are: heads they win, tails you lose.
        These are exceptionally well-paid, high-status jobs. Universities always have clean, well-maintained campuses that are constantly renovated at taxpayer expense, even as they preach fanatic anti-white racism, anti-Americanism, feminism, totalitarianism, and racially discriminate against white applicants and students.
        Elementary, secondary, and remedial schoolteachers and administrators are also conspicuous beneficiaries of the racial spoils system. With their university counterparts they complement the mass media as key pillars of the anti-white Establishment. In today’s mass society, culture is no longer transmitted by the family, but primarily by educational institutions and the controlled media. Together, they are far more important in socializing children than families are.
        At the grass-roots political level, schools have long been sacred cows, enjoying automatic, unthinking voter support no matter what they do.
        Millions of tax dollars are funneled to school systems and universities throughout the country, greasing many palms. Few government expenditures are more inimical to freedom, or to white survival, than money spent on education.
        White school teachers and administrators are politically very active on behalf of the Democratic Party, have powerful, well-heeled lobbyists, and are unionized. It is here that you see personal greed and self-interest and political patronage tightly linked. Although it is never reported in the media, if you participate in local party politics you cannot fail to see it.
        The careers of white policemen, sheriffs’ personnel, state troopers, conservation officers, federal law enforcement officials, and similar occupations are also aligned with the objectives of the anti-white state.
        In addition, cops, schoolteachers, and others are the gatekeepers to vast, hidden “plantations” that employ many whites as wardens, guards, marshals, clerks, bailiffs, judges, prosecutors, public defenders, probation and parole officers, bounty hunters, consultants, psychologists, guardians ad litem, caseworkers, counselors, social workers, and in rehabilitation centers and foster homes.
        As one System representative (a former police officer, SWAT sniper, and FBI agent) has noted:
        The social services system and its affiliate, the public schools, are obsessed with what is normal. The definition is narrowed every day by new studies, new expert opinions, and batteries of ever more subtle psychological tests. [Note: this is where radical ideologies formulated by Left-wing academics, including racial ones, are injected into the bureaucratic system that molds society.] Anyone outside the acceptable range of behavior is, by definition, abnormal and subject to state intervention, supervision, and labeling. . . .
        The social services plantation is staffed predominantly by women. Its attitudes are female, and, most importantly, its definition of normalcy is female.
        For young men, this is a disaster. The system defines many innate male behaviors as abnormal and sick. For example, the social services plantation’s female overseers (teachers, social workers, counselors, psychologists) stigmatize boys for fighting, throwing and kicking things, teasing, resisting authority, etc. Yet these are things that [normal] little boys do. These behaviors are the play that become, in a man, fighting and hunting skills. (Dale C. Carson and Wes Denham, Arrest-Proof Yourself, 2007, pp. 35–36)
        This out-of-control bureaucracy, fueled by Left-wing ideologies and policies, also intrudes into the family, dividing husbands from wives and parents from children.
        This was well-illustrated in an episode of the long-running reality television series COPS, in which two patrol officers during a traffic stop removed a little blue-eyed, tow-headed lad from his mother and father. I believe a small amount of methamphetamine was involved. The female patrol officer, probably in her 30s, made a remark about the boy’s diapers not having been changed.
        The blonde policewoman, cooing, cradled the boy in her arms. Though young, he was bigger than an infant. The child’s distraught mother was in tears. The cameras followed the policewoman as the boy was taken to what was either a government facility or a facility that contracted with the state—a place the officer had been directed to go by dispatch, and had obviously never seen before.
        The camera followed her inside, and I was immediately appalled to see that the entire staff was non-white. A Negress blocked the camera and ordered the cameraman outside. However, you could still hear part of the conversation because the policewoman’s mike was still on.
        She emerged shortly thereafter, literally in tears, because the place, she said, had no bed, no blankets, nowhere for the boy to sleep.
        So, a child was torn from his mother and father under dubious circumstances and dumped, alone, into a nonwhite hellhole with no one to reliably look after him or safeguard his most basic interests. Director D. W. Griffith memorably condemned exactly such behavior in the modern segment of his silent film classic Intolerance (1916). The incident illustrates in microcosm how middle class whites often make a good living wreaking havoc upon their own community.
        If one were to closely examine white middle- and upper-income participation in the present system, one would find that many whites are rewarded for destroying their nations, their culture, and their race. It is in their (narrow) self-interest to do so.
        It would be optimistic to believe that a substantial number of these people can be persuaded by moral arguments to oppose white genocide, or not to crawl before the Jews.
        If they do as they’re told, their political, academic, law enforcement, judicial, government, theological, etc., careers may flourish. But if they stand against evil in even the slightest way, the howling mob will kick them to death (Nobel laureate James Watson, best-selling military historian David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and countless others).

        Years ago Robert Welch responded to a question about how businessmen and the wealthy could be persuaded to stop supporting Communism. (Welch was the candy company entrepreneur who founded the John Birch Society.) His startlingly cold response was, “They’ll stop supporting it when it’s no longer in their interest to do so.”

        That principle still holds true today. Moral suasion will only take you so far. Much less far, I am afraid, than one would like to think.

    • ozone August 21, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

      Most excellent link, K.!
      Thanks for that incisive history lesson in socio-economic myth and magic. A much-needed perspective.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

        What about my Offering? Do you reject it because it not a lamb?

  157. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    How are electronic trading algorithms connected to “Racism”, and social bigotry?

    The algorithms are connected to the NSA computers, and as such, they tap into the pulse of the Egregore that is society. When an algorithm detects attempts at honest discussion of “racism”, it factors it into its valuations, and trades accordingly. The dip you noted wasn’t because of the meeting minutes or the woman’s cleavage, it was the factoring in of my attempts to have an honest discussion about “racism”, “race” and “racists”.

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

      The dip you noted wasn’t because of the meeting minutes or the woman’s cleavage, it was the factoring in of my attempts to have an honest discussion about “racism”, “race” and “racists”.

      Ohhhh, I see. It was YOU “Carol” who touched off today’s market roller coaster ride. You are a more powerful person than I realized.

  158. beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Janet said,

    “People like Q. and Beantown and Eleuthero will instantly disbelieve Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers. I never hear them doubt Wall Street numbers.”

    Wall St. numbers supposedly directly originate from the exchanges themselves based on a simple app that tallies all the last sales and comes up with a number which is available to anyone. If the Dow is at 14,921 at a particular instant in time, I highly doubt it is really at 12,955, and the exchanges are tweaking that number. If they are, maybe an invisible flying saucer is parked behind the White House as well.

    The US government would NEVER lie to us, right?

  159. beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Janet also said,

    “Think hard, Beantown. No one in your extended family paid off a mortgage in the last ten years?”

    Actually, no. In the real world most people don’t. I do have friends, however, who owned their house for a fair amount of time and sold it, then rented, so they no longer have a mortgage. Although, they lost about 40% of the value of their stock portfolio in 2008. I think they made some, but not all, of it back.

  160. janet August 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    Qshtik, do you think Beantown’s flying saucer ate the earlier posts? Or do you think they are still there and you just don’t know how to access them?

    If you guessed the latter, you are correct. The new software divides up comments into different pages. At the bottom of the 2nd and following pages there is a link “Older Posts” just above the words TRACKBACKS/PINGBACKS … If you click on older posts several times you eventually get back to the Aug. 14 posts. But to save you time, here is the direct link:

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/in-the-valleys-of-blog/comment-page-3/#comments

    • Q. Shtik August 21, 2013 at 9:46 pm #

      The new software divides up comments into different pages.

      Thanks. Don’t know why this didn’t occur to me. An age related brain fart, I guess.

  161. janet August 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    correction

    ^”Older Comments”

  162. beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    Now, I’m going for a walk on the beach. I try to do something nice for myself everyday. Be back in a few hours.

  163. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    You are a more powerful person than I realized.

    We’re all more powerful than we realize, even you.

  164. Carol Newquist August 21, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    Now, I’m going for a walk on the beach.

    Yeah, I’ve got to head out too. I have a bike polo match.

  165. janet August 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

    Beantown said, when asked if he knew anyone who had paid off their mortgage: “Actually, no. In the real world most people don’t.”

    Sorry to inform you, Beantown, but in the “real world” nearly 33% of homeowners do pay off their mortgage. I resent you excluding them from the “real world.”

    The free-and-clear class includes, predictably, retirees who have chipped away at their debts for decades, but also a surprisingly high percentage of young people and those who live in relatively affordable regions.

    The proportion of these owners is likely to grow as the nation’s baby boomers reach retirement. The fact that they can pay cash when they move will make them increasingly important players in a recovering housing market.

    “Those are the people who have the greatest flexibility,” said Svenja Gudell, a senior economist with Zillow.

    As the economy picks up, regions with high percentages of free-and-clear owners probably will get a boost.

    “That means there is a lot more disposable income,” said Celia Chen, a housing economist with Moody’s Economy.com. “That is positive for the local economy.”

    This was my point, Beantown. You go by anecdotal evidence and you do not know anyone who is better off today than 10 years ago. Meanwhile, in the real world 33% of home owners have paid off their mortgages and “That means there is a lot more disposable income” i.e., they are better off than when a sizable chunk of their income went to a bank to pay a mortgage payment.

    Your anecdotal evidence is not reliable. And, no, the government does not routinely lie to us, especially not non-defense or national security agencies like the post office or the BLS. Your paranoia clouds your otherwise rational mind.

    • beantownbill. August 21, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

      You are proving my point, Janet. What you are telling me is that two thirds of homeowners have outstanding loans on their homes. If in a presidential election the winning candidate won by 66 to 33 percent, people would call it a landslide victory, or a mandate.

      I still don’t have any family members who have paid off their mortgages.

      Do you have any references that show Americans’ net worth has increased compared to before the financial crisis? Disposable income has little meaning. Anyone with positive equity could sell their home and Increase their cash funds (which is not necessarily income,but a conversion of assets from one form to another). That doesn’t mean they are better off. How much is Americans’ net worth increasing per capita?

      Concerning anecdotal evidence, I generally agree with you, but in the case of government figures, since I am paranoid, I have no other source to depend on.

  166. janet August 21, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

    Yeah, I’m heading out, too, for a swim. I might have a heart attack and drown. You can always hope. That would change CFN. You guys do believe in HOPE AND CHANGE, right?

  167. maybe August 21, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    It is getting difficult to get out of bed in the mornings, just to check the bad news of the day. So now Bradley Manning gets what a rat deserves. Mafia style justice. Maybe a little bit worse. Back in the day he would have gotten a bullet to the back of the head, and it would be all over. Now he will be an example to people with sliding values Do we even have values any more?
    If you value your life and comfort beyond the daily grind, then watch your ass. If you drop the dime and leak the truth, you will pay.
    Yes, there is no where to run, and no where to hide. Big Brother has offshored the watching , and it has become pay as you go.
    A tax on every breath.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

      With good behavior he might get out in seven years. In the meantime, he can get the Government to pay for his sex change operation. When on the day “she” gets out, you can be there to pick her up in your flash car. It might be in the stars, Maybe.

      • anti dod August 21, 2013 at 10:07 pm #

        Richard Speck [killer of filipino nurses in C-town, way back in the 60s] did so? Or did she?

        One night I turned on AM to a Christian show and the fellow talked about going to the prison to interview him/her.

        ‘An ugly creature w pockmarked skin and red hair, selling drugs from his/her cell’, if I recall.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 21, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

          Well I’m sure Bradley wont become that kind of girl. Probably more the librarian type. He has done his a service to his Nation and we are in his debt. The State and the Nation are not the same after all.

  168. BleatToTheBeat August 21, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    Ha haaaaa…..

    Peak government

    Peak capital

    Peak consciousness

    Peak fertility

    “Wait a minute… Who is my daddy?”

    Randy Newman hitches a ride back home

    …with a banjo on his knees

    PEAK BEES!!

    Bitchez






    • alpha mail August 22, 2013 at 12:06 am #

      Better not let “Carol” see you posting a Youtube. She owns this site, doncha know!!! (at least she and “janet” act like they do)

  169. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    Beantown said: “You are proving my point, Janet. What you are telling me is that two thirds of homeowners have outstanding loans on their homes.”

    —————-

    Yes, you win. 33% is less than 66%.

    My point was that 1 in 3 have paid off the mortgages they had ten years ago and therefore have more income; are better off than they were ten years ago when a large chunk of their income went to pay the mortgage.

    But the point is moot because you do not know any of those 33% … you have never met anyone who is better off today than ten years ago.

    Therefore, it must be so. You win.

  170. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    alpha mail said: “She owns this site, doncha know!!! (at least she and “janet” act like they do)”

    =============

    alpha mail, do you believe carol/ asoka/ karah/ qshtik/ ozone/ bilbo/ pucker/ kdog/ bleattothebeat/ janos/ anti dod/ etc. are different persons or just one person (a paid government agent?) with different handles talking to himself?

    I do not own this site. But that one person with all those identities has pretty much taken over this site.

    • K-Dog August 22, 2013 at 12:56 am #

      There is only one K-Dog.

      I love how you get out of character and spill the beans. Who’d O’ever thunk it. Using phony white nationalist bullshit to break up resource depletion discussion. You are without shame but those who would obfuscate truth have no shame. I doubt you even had a momma.

      There is only one K-Dog as clicking on my Green Link will reveal.

      Did you think I’d really let that by. Gambling I wouldn’t notice as busy as you already know I am elsewhere today.

      You lost.

      • BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 2:53 am #

        Oh man. The shame. I read one of the later posts about Barrack goin’ to church.

        WELL OF COURSE NO ONE IS GOING TO CHECK HIM OUT!

        It’s a pretty safe bet that he doesn’t have the reverse Scotch Tape on his fingertips.

        He might be able to get away with that shit in Cleveland.

        In Chicago they would shoot his ass.

        Just another THIEVIN’ President…

        So. how are your tomatoes doing?

      • ozone August 22, 2013 at 8:29 am #

        There is only one of I as well. (That should be pretty obvious by the links I put up here.)
        Why do they keep trying this “iknowyouarebutwhatami?” garbage over and over again??
        Like we’d believe ANYTHING that comes out of the poop-chutes that serve as their organs of communication…

        Perhaps it’s just a further deliberate erosion of trust (plus it pisses us off as a bonus feature).

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

        What you talkin’ bout Wilis? Racial shakedowns and affirmative action are an intrinsic part of modern Capitalism. The Corporations are totally down with it. Why? Because it hurts the small and medium sized companies far more. The Big Corporations can get the very few qualified minorities – and the Federal contracts. Any smaller companies get the dregs and dead wood. And of course the Feds get the dregs too. What a great system. Your system unless you disavow it.

  171. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:36 am #

    Who is secretly lobbying behind the scenes to make sure marijuana remains illegal? There are five special interest groups behind the continued criminalization of marijuana:

    There have been many great books and articles detailing the history of the drug war. Part of America’s fixation with keeping the leafy green plant illegal is rooted in cultural and political clashes from the past.

    However, we at Republic Report think it’s worth showing that there are entrenched interest groups that are spending large sums of money to keep our broken drug laws on the books:

    1.) Police Unions: Police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget.

    2.) Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana.

    3.) Alcohol and Beer Companies: Fearing competition for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach.

    4.) Pharmaceutical Corporations: Like the sin industries listed above, pharmaceutical interests would like to keep marijuana illegal so American don’t have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products.

    5.) Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies.

    - See more at: http://www.republicreport.org/2012/marijuana-lobby-illegal/#sthash.NmGH0zCp.dpuf

  172. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:46 am #

    alpha mail said: “Better not let “Carol” see you posting a Youtube.”

    —————-

    I don’t understand this. “carol” is a poster of you tubes, so why would others be in trouble for posting you tubes? I have a message for “carol” :






  173. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:53 am #

    Q. asks: Can we change the subject to guns?

    =================

    Antoinette Tuff: Meet the Woman Who Prevented a Mass School Shooting Yesterday

    Fortunately, Tuesday’s gunman incident at an elementary school near Atlanta ended with no injuries or deaths. This is mainly thanks to Antoinette Tuff, a school clerk who spent about an hour calmly persuading the gunman to put his rifle down and surrender.

    Tuff feared the worst when she encountered the gunman carrying an AK-47 assault rifle and other weapons in her school office. She told reporters, “I saw a young man ready to kill anybody that he could.” Approximately 870 pre-kindergarten to fifth grade students at the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, Georgia were safely evacuated during the incident. While the gunman exchanged some shots with the police, no one was hurt.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/60379/antoinette-tuff-meet-the-woman-who-prevented-a-mass-school-shooting-yesterday

    • BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 1:28 am #

      So, Ms. Janet,

      Do you remember wihen I told y’all that “…sometimes, sometimes ya just gotta kill the crazy motherfuckers to get them to STOP.”

      And then you removed my video.

      I know where I am…

      I also know where I’ve been.

      How about you?

  174. BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    Mr. Alpha Mail,

    Hey! It’s cool as long as you are in sync with the Intergalactic Menstrual Cycle.

    I Swear!

    Allow me to present another example…..

    Set the Way-Back Machine, Sherman….East LA….early 1980′s.

    Yeah Baby…you wanna rock?

    Let The Wolves show ya how…..bitchez






  175. K-Dog August 22, 2013 at 1:12 am #

    Once
    Thousands of Chinese characters
    Comment applause
    Pedestals of nonsense
    I’m only one
    A complement of fear

    Now
    U-tubes
    Old characters, new names
    A cluster of comments
    I’m only one
    A complement of fear

    So
    Bring it
    I’m only one
    Waiting for complements

  176. janet August 22, 2013 at 2:15 am #

    Bilbo, you are not providing any proof of anything.

    1.) Obama hates white people
    FALSE

    2.) Obama went to a church ( rev wright ) for 20+ years that daily taught the congregation that the white man was the devil
    FALSE AND IRRELEVANT

    3.) Obama’s father hated white men ( but he would service white women for a fee )
    IRRELEVANT IF TRUE

    4.) That even though in the USA the white is now the minority, they still control the majority of the nations wealth.
    TRUE, BUT UNRELATED TO OBAMA

    5.) Obama has filled virtually every Department of War ( DHS, FBI, AG, CIA, NSA, FEMA, FUSION, DOD, … ) with black faces who also hold his feeling that white-folk need to be ‘brought down’.
    FALSE

    6.) Given that the majority non-whites don’t pay for health care, and whites are driven to poverty in paying for health care, it is obvious that Obama’s ‘health care system’ is designed to impoverish the white population.
    FALSE

    • BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 2:32 am #

      OK….OK

      Officer….my eyes are as red as THE SUN.

      And…yes… I am the Passionate One……

      ….bitch, I mean, Officer….

  177. BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 2:27 am #

    OK. I’ll log a vote.

    I vote NO.

    It’s not about Ebony & Ivory (copyright Sir Paul).

    I would recommend that you read “City of Quartz” by Mike Davis.

    It’s about the “Haves” and the “Have Nots”.

    Haven’t you heard? It’s the New Guilded Age.

    But, of course. We will subsidize your stock losses and amend all pertinent regulation to demonize those filthy Negroes.

    ***EDITORS NOTE****

    Uh….Wiggers?

    On a social note, if you are not diving for cover from speaker schrapnel, you are clearly under-equipped.

    ….hit it Hal,






  178. janet August 22, 2013 at 2:53 am #

    ON THE SOUTHWEST DROUGHT FRONT

    Eleuthero said drought is the new normal in the southwest USA, so don’t expect relief through rainfall.

    SANTA FE, NM—JULY 26, 2013—Please refer to the following updates on a few lightning caused fires on the Santa Fe National Forest. Rain has been falling regularly on the fire areas resulting in low to moderate fire behavior.

    ALBUQUERQUE – Residents cleaned up Saturday and authorities worked to fix traffic lights and restore power to thousands after a storm swept through the Albuquerque area, bringing heavy rain and strong winds to a region. –The Durango Herald

    ACCUWEATHER.COM — The combination of the ongoing monsoon and moisture from a forecast tropical system over the eastern Pacific will bring heavy rainfall to portions of the Southwest Sunday and Monday. The weather pattern has the potential to bring drought-busting rain to some locations but also packs the risk of flash and urban flooding.

    Severe Weather: There will be three areas of concern today. The first is over the Southwest from Arizona to New Mexico. This area will see heavy rain along with large hail. — Redorbit.com

    Will heavy rain and hail be the new normal in summer drought?

    • BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 2:59 am #

      I’ll bet that your make up is PERFECT.

      You are just about ready for the Pasadena market.

      That is, Pasadena, Texas……

      YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAA!

    • BleatToTheBeat August 22, 2013 at 3:43 am #

      Tell ya what…

      Since the Internet has become a Toll Road, I am not able to insult you in the multi-media way in which I have become accustomed.

      Since you are the primary breadwinner, the great state of California decrees that YOU have to pay ME to post derogatory videos.

      So sorry, but that is the state of our current neurosis.

      It’s bad enough that you post about military shit that you know nothing about, but now you want to post about erratic weather after removing my video about the most current field research into this topic.

      You have now become The Jetstream.

      Whimsical and unpredictable.

      Now that you are no longer ICY,

      I would think that you could at least show us your garters.

      Don’t be such a nudge.

      Thinking Of You,

      Norman New

    • Elmendorf August 22, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

      You are the most sophomoric, unscientific idiot on this site. After the heavy July rains, the total rainfall year-to-date in Albuquerque is 77% of normal. This means that it’s still 23% below normal after a decade where the averages have been 20-30% of normal.

      A month’s worth of thunderstorms does not end a severe, long term drought. Bah … why do I even bother to explain things to someone who doesn’t know the most basic laws of rhetoric and science. You do this sort of thing time after time after time and you don’t have the mental horsepower or the humility to stifle yourself.

      Your scientific “knowledge” is the cut-and-paste stuff from something you spied from scientist X or professor Y on the Internet. That’s why the Internet is dangerous.

      E.

  179. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 7:02 am #

    I don’t understand this. “carol” is a poster of you tubes, so why would others be in trouble for posting you tubes? I have a message for “carol” :

    We have the same color eyes, you know, and thank you for smiling in your latest photo. You took my advice and cheered up. It’s nice to know I have some influence. Also, I’m going to defy your admonition and use my best judgment as I indicated. The chips will fall where they may.

  180. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 7:17 am #

    7.) Obama’s not the decider.
    TRUE

    8.) Obama’s a distraction
    TRUE

    9.) Obama’s the ball
    TRUE

    10.) Because of the ball, most don’t see the gorilla.
    TRUE

    11.) Because most don’t see the gorilla, it can pretty much do as it pleases.
    TRUE

    12.) It’s good to be the gorilla.
    TRUE

    13.) Long live the gorilla.
    TO BE DECIDED

    14.) JHK really doesn’t want an honest discussion about race even though he claims the contrary.
    TRUE

    15.) JHK plays dirty.
    TRUE

    16.) The Help should be required reading as part of a public high school education.
    TRUE

    17.) CFN is a joke.
    TRUE

    18.) CFN was intended to be a joke.
    TRUE

    19.) There’s a sign on the door of CFN that reads Serious Discussion of Anything – Do Not Enter.
    TRUE

    20.) “Carol” will get to the bottom of all this.
    TO BE DECIDED

    21.) To be continued.
    TRUE

  181. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    Resuming the honest discussion about “race”, “racism” and “racists”, I had this to say at the conclusion of my last post on this issue:

    The next post will deal with social bigotry, and in my opinion, this is where all the heretofore “racism” resides. It didn’t disappear entirely or even substantially, rather it changed form and became a somewhat more benign derivative of its former incarnation.

    It’s important to point out that social bigotry, unlike “racism”, is a superhighway going both directions, meaning it can be practiced, and is practiced, by many, and quite possibly, all demographic classifications. Specifically, what this means is blacks can engage in bigotry, and do, as equally as can whites. Of course, choose any demographic color, since convention chooses to classify on color, and you will see evidence of social bigotry by that classification.

    In the case of whites, what was formerly considered “racism” is now housed in social bigotry, keeping in mind that traditional/historical “racism” still exists, although it’s greatly diminished….but still useful to white social bigotry. “Racism” is now used by white social bigots as a foil. It allows them to maintain the cultural dimension of historical “racism” whilst shedding the onerous biological dimension. Social bigots discriminate as passionately and as fervently as “racists”, they just do so based on cultural factors, and sometimes as we’ll see, they’ll teeter close to biological factors but back away quickly when challenged and disown the likes of a Janos….who, let’s face it, is a caricature, witting or not.

    Not that CFN is a microcosm of the the world at large, let’s in the hypothetical assume it is for illustrative purposes. There are a minority of “racists” who post to the comments section. Janos is one of them, and there are a few others. There are, however, quite a few social bigots. There’s no need to name names, it’s obvious who they are, and they find the likes of Janos convenient, because the likes of Janos provide cover for their deceptive bigotry. These white social bigots who post here, and they appear to be the majority, believe themselves superior to blacks culturally, and by consequence, believe blacks to be inferior, culturally. White social bigotry is a way to maintain, in disguised and stealth fashion, the effects and intent of “racism”, and in this respect, is very much of the same sentiment, just duplicitous rather than brazen and in-your-face.

    How many times has Q. Shtik condescendingly ridiculed the elocution, the diction…..the linguistics of the black demographic? Countless. It’s part of his schtick and this audience gobbles it up; it laughs and feels smug and superior. Of course, that’s the intent. “We’re better than blacks because we believe we speak and write more eloquently and effectively” is the message. It’s meant to convey that blacks articulate deficiently, so it’s one more way blacks are culturally inferior to whites. But don’t call us “racist”, they’ll scream. That term is reserved for their convenient friend, Janos and those like him who play the role of the foil well. Fine, we won’t call you “racist”, but we’ll also not overlook or excuse the fact that your intent, sentiment and effect is very much aligned with that of the “racist”.

  182. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    There [are] a minority of “racists”…

    There [is] a minority of “racists”…

    • ozone August 22, 2013 at 11:13 am #

      Ooooo! And ‘carol’ just figured out what “a foil” is from my usage; what a clever little fraud! Stay tuned for denials and protestations.
      (We’ll be seeing a lot more of this short phrase as well. This entity most resembles a leech.)

  183. James Kuehl August 22, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    Anyone happen to see Mohamed El-Erian of PIMCO at the National Press Club yesterday? He blames Congress for leaving the gearshift of the American economy in second gear. None of the so-called experts in the room noted the irony of the analogy, nor did anyone so much as mention our little hydrocarbon problem (at least while I was watching–and no mention in the post-event writeup). They at least understand the fecklessness of fed policy, but fail to recognize our increasingly irrational resource extraction and refining schemes as fundamental to the problem.

  184. janet August 22, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    Carol said: ““Racism” is now used by white social bigots as a foil. It allows them to maintain the cultural dimension of historical “racism” whilst shedding the onerous biological dimension. ”

    Something you seem to be ignoring is the power imbalance between the races that allows white institutional racism to be possible. Whites have had the power to deny education, housing, employment, etc. to Blacks based on their white institutionalized racism. Whites have been able to enforce and maintain, until recently in history, a racial apartheid based on their belief in their racial superiority.

    Now that the whites are losing their power (in many ways, including demographics), some whites are crying “reverse racism” and are calling Blacks “racists.” This is false. It is not possible because Blacks do not control the institutions or the budgets of the institutions.

    As you correctly point out, both Blacks and whites can be bigots, but both cannot be racists. Blacks cannot be racists because they do not have the power to deny whites advancement in terms of housing, employment, education, etc.

    Whites still have the economic and political power in the USA and therefore still have the ability to be racists. Blacks do not have that power and therefore cannot be racists. Blacks simple do not have the economic or political power to enforce institutional racism against Whites.

    I don’t believe Blacks have the moral depravity of Whites, and would not become racists, even if they had the means to do so.

  185. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    There [is] a minority of “racists”…

    No, I meant “are” and I’ll keep using it that way. I don’t agree with the grammar rules on this one, so I’m sticking with treating minority as plural since it refers to racists (plural) as a small group of people. So, to your point, I did consider your suggestion when I wrote it, but I’m a maverick, so on this one I’m doing it my way….like Frank. I’d post a YouTube but it’d clutter the comments section and make it more difficult for people to locate Janos’ link to the rabidly “racist” amren website. We wouldn’t want to do that, would we? How else can we have an honest discussion about “race”.

  186. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    Something you seem to be ignoring is the power imbalance between the races that allows white institutional racism to be possible.

    I’m not ignoring anything. I’m very early on in this series of posts. I may continue to post about it for the next several months on and off, so what you say will be covered. I haven’t gotten there yet. Be patient and less accusatory. Also, respect what I’m trying to accomplish with the terminology. You are muddying the waters in the same vain Janos muddies the waters by using that term “racism” too loosely.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

      You are muddying the waters in the same [vain] Janos muddies the waters

      It’s vein.

      “Carol” canned by Random House for spelling and punctuation errors.

      • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

        Correction noted. Thank you.

  187. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

    Janet said: “I don’t believe Blacks have the moral depravity of Whites, and would not become racists, even if they had the means to do so.”

    Case in point this week in North Carolina. White election officials working with a white state governor, have systematically reduced the number of polling places available to Blacks, denied students at Black universities the right to vote, moved polling places to remote sites inaccessible by public transport where parking is available for 35 cars and there are 9,300 voters, reduced the possibilities for voter registration, increased state requirements for voting, eliminated same day registration, and eliminated early voting or vote by mail possibilities.

    In other words, this week in North Carolina whites are using their power to systematically deny the vote to Blacks. That is institutional white racism still alive in August 2013.

    Can anyone name one place in the entire United States where Blacks have political power and have used it to systematically deny whites access to the ballot box? Like I said, even when Blacks have the power to do so, they do not promote apartheid or racism against whites.

    I challenge any of the racists on CFN to name one instance of Black institutional racism against whites.

    There are no Black racists. There are plenty of Black bigots with anti-white attitudes and zero power to do anything about it in terms of denying whites education, employment, housing, etc. And there are plenty of Blacks with positions of power who do not discriminate against whites.

    Tribalism FAIL. There is no reverse racism. Blacks have never set up a system of separate drinking fountains, separate swimming pools, separate everything … with the shitty facilities reserved for whites.

    Has never happened. Will never happen. Even with a Black president.

  188. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm #

    Treasury prices cut losses after jobless claims • 8:40 AM

    •The unexpectedly large jump in jobless claims takes a little pressure off of bond prices and allows a small uptick in stock index futures, the S&P 500 now +0.5%.

    How’s ^this^ (blurb from the site, Seeking Alpha) for convoluted? Let me explain:

    On Thursdays at 8:30AM, an hour before the regular stock market trading gets underway, the Govt releases jobless claims data. The numbers today were shitty… i.e.a large number of newly unemployed people filing for unemployment compensation.

    So, how do the markets take this “bad” news? (Keep in mind, there is trading going on in something known as the “pre-market.”) Counter-intuitively to people like “Carol” who just doesn’t get it, both bond prices and stock futures prices rise. Why? you may ask.

    When bond prices rise interest rates fall, and vice versa. It’s like the two ends of a rope that is draped over a pulley; when one goes up the other must come down.

    In recent weeks and months bond prices have fallen making bond yields (interest rates) rise. Bond prices have been falling because the markets are anticipating “tapering” (the beginning of the eventually inevitable cutback of the FED’s $85B per month bond buying program). The $85B per month is, of course, new money created out of thin air which finds its way into the equity markets and is the reason why the DOW and S&P 500 have been making new all-time highs. You didn’t think it was because “the Economy” was great did you? No, it was because all that fresh money has to go somewhere and an excess of bids vs asks makes prices rise. Supply and demand. Econ 101.

    Every time Bernanky speaks he reminds us that the FED will keep pouring $85B a month into the markets until unemployment falls to 6.5% and inflation is around 2%. Like junkies, market players are encouraged by these shitty jobless claims numbers because that means we are nowhere near Ben’s 6.5% target. The punch bowl at the party will continue to be replenished.

    This is why shitty employment news at 8:30 this morning made bond prices rise, interest rates fall, and stock futures prices rise. But the effects of this kind of news only last a short while, often less than a day, and then a new line of coke is required. It could be something as innocuous as Coach reporting that high-end bags are flying off the shelves.

    The DOW is up 55 points as we speak. Let’s see if it can stay positive into the 4 PM close.

    Poor “Carol,” fired from every job “she’s” ever had, probably divorced (who could stand “her?”) and lost her 401K in the market.

  189. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    I don’t believe Blacks have the moral depravity of Whites, and would not become racists, even if they had the means to do so.

    This is social bigotry in another direction on that superhighway. You are implying blacks are morally superior to whites. Claims of superiority based on cultural attributes is social bigotry as I’ve defined it earlier. Thank you for providing a valid and timely example of it in the opposite direction. If you’re white, it’s even more interesting, because it’s an invalid approach in eliminating bigotry. Instead, it perpetuates it.

    As “race” has been defined, blacks could certainly be “racist” as it’s been defined earlier if the zeitgeist was right, but as you rightfully point out, the lingering and haunting effects historical “racism” has on contemporary culture, and black and white culture within the larger culture, has precluded it from taking root or manifesting in any discernible way.

  190. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    The DOW is up 55 points as we speak.

    You really are a delusional loser, you know that? Are you really trying to sell us on your theory that 100 pts. up or down in the DOW is indicative of something discernible divined by you? You’re a former public accountant, so you of all people should know; such a fluctuation is immaterial. Shit, what am I saying; of course you’re a public accountant….and that’s precisely why you’re so consumed and obsessed with the immaterial. I can’t tell you how many I’ve known who couldn’t see the forest for the trees. They were the perfect ones to put out in the field whilst the partners agreed to look the other way on the material improprieties…..for a healthy fee of course. It’s not wrong until you get caught, and few do.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

      You’re a former public accountant, so you of all people should know; such a fluctuation is immaterial.

      1. I clearly signaled immateriality by stating that the effect of the news item often lasts less than a day.

      2. There are different kinds of bean-counters. I never worked in “public” accounting.

      3. Both the comma and semicolon in your sentence above are superfluous.

  191. janet August 22, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    Carol said: “I may continue to post about it for the next several months on and off…”

    I hope you continue it daily for the next several years.

    Your insights are valuable and you write well.

    Just don’t try pulling any “Black racism” or “reverse racism” shit. There is no Black racism or reverse racism, just Black bigotry. And anti-white attitudes are justified.

    Institutionalizing bigotry is systematic racism and Blacks have not done that. Blacks do not have the power to enforce a systematic apartheid, nor the desire to do so. I challenge anyone to name one instance where Blacks in positions of power have set up separate facilities for whites, reserving the worst for whites.

    • Elmendorf August 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

      Oh you’re so right, Janet. My community college in CA had a sign at the entrance: “No darkies allowed!!” The government is now 40% of GDP and I assure you that in the hiring process they still bend over backwards to find ANY minority to appease the political correctness police. A black lesbian is like the trifecta (black, female, and homosexual) for hiring committees.

      Then there’s the Orwellian Doublespeak in statements like: “There is no Black racism or reverse racism, just Black bigotry. And anti-white attitudes are justified.”

      Of course, everything in your fucking household from the flush toilet to the TV to the computer to the furniture was NOT invented, designed, or sold by virtually any “people of color”. If there’s ANY bigotry that’s “justified” it’s the bigotry of just about any racial group AGAINST blacks. Even Hispanics in barrios are far more civilized than black communities.

      But go ahead and continue to say that “Ignorance is Strength” and “Freedom is Slavery”. You should be a good propaganda minister when our country becomes completely totalitarian.

      E.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

      South Africa, Rhodesia, Detroit, and every major city in America. I grant you that once Blacks take over the water fountains dry up and most of the Whites leave before Blacks get around to denying Whites the use of them.

      Nature bats last and laughs best. Before the Rhodesian farmer drove away forever, he scratched this message to his squatter tormentors, “You bastards will be poor forever.”

      • Elmendorf August 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

        “Official” South African unemployment is around 25% while the real number is close to 40%. Compare this to Vietnam where unemployment is around TWO percent.

        South Africa is a disaster but golly gee it couldn’t have anything to do with being 62% black could it?? Ba ha ha ha!!!

        E.

  192. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    Just don’t try pulling any “Black racism” or “reverse racism” shit.

    I am not pulling that, so don’t be so paranoid. Listen, I’ve posted here long enough now for you to know my sentiments. My goal is the elimination of “racism” and social bigotry, and also the lingering effects of both. You raise a valid point that institutions perpetuate these effects hence institutional “racism”, and in that sense, they keep the ghost of “racism”, its effects, alive and well. My analysis will not only touch on this, but will go well into it and beyond it. You may not agree with it all, but you won’t disagree with it for the same reasons you disagree with Janos, I assure you.

  193. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    “Carol” canned by Random House for spelling and punctuation errors.

    You know nothing about me if you think I would have anything to do with “Random House”. They can’t fire that which farts in their general direction. Talk about institutional “racism”, the publishing industry is front and center.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

      You know nothing about me if you think I would have anything to do with “Random House”.

      The period goes inside the quotes.

      House.”

      And why are you putting quotes around Random House in the first place?

      • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

        Nope, I like it outside unless it’s a sentence or a phrase. You’re over-ruled and it’s my call. Thanks for the suggestion. Don’t let my denial preclude you from future suggestions, although you don’t seem like the type to get discouraged too easily. I wish janet would show the same tenacity when it comes to public speaking. If she did, she’d be a regular Tony Robbins.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

      They can’t fire [that which] farts in their general direction.

      he or she who

      • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm #

        [he or she] who

        Or, to continue your gender anonymity bullshit, you could have used [anyone].

        • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

          Nope, it’s good as it is. It remains “that which” despite your protestations.

  194. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    1. I clearly signaled immateriality by stating that the effect of the news item often lasts less than a day.

    That’s not why it’s immaterial.

    3. Both the comma and semicolon in your sentence above are superfluous.

    So it is, but even more importantly, this is yet another example of you focusing on the immaterial….as is your wont. Don’t get me wrong, it’s cute and all….like a little boy counting his marbles on the sidewalk as the piano precariously suspended ten stories above his head breaks loose and begins its fateful descent.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

      So [it is], but even more importantly…

      [they are]

      • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

        Nope, “so it is” is meant to convey “so it is that I’m superfluous sometimes.” I didn’t include all the unnecessary baggage because I didn’t want to be superfluous. Jesus, you really put people between a rock and a hard place, including yourself. But once again, it’s immaterial, and the piano just passed the ninth floor on its way to the eight and it’s gaining speed. Keep your eye on the marbles at your own peril. You always have.

        • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

          Nope, “so it is” is meant to convey “so it is that I’m superfluous sometimes.”

          This is yet another lie and another mistake but I am not even going to explain why. I’m done with your endless errors for August 22, 2013. You really need to work on your writing fundamentals.

  195. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Q. Shtik, can you give us your latest update on the immaterial movement of the DOW and what it means? It’s been over an hour now since your last update and we don’t want to miss any of the action. I want to make some trades on your sound advice because you’re so fundamentally adept at spotting the catalysts. Thanks in advance.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

      I want to make some trades on your sound advice

      My advice to YOU is to avoid the stock market at all times. You don’t have the right disposition for it. Change your name to Patel and buy a 7-11 instead.

  196. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    Trading has been halted in Nasdaq listed securities for more than an hour due to “some kind of info tech issue.” Well, that clears it up. Right?

    Is this “immaterial,” “Carol?”

    What if it turns out Iran caused a tech failure and they can’t fix it for a month? Would that be immaterial?

  197. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    Trading has been halted in Nasdaq listed securities for more than an hour due to “some kind of info tech issue.” Well, that clears it up. Right?

    I imagine it’s because Nasdaq is staffed with people like you who are technologically retarded and can’t find their way out of a paper bag when it comes to computers and information technology. You know, like yesterday when you couldn’t find your post on the last thread because you’re an imbecile but you had to go and blame it on the Iranians compromising CFN. Thankfully, janet set you straight. Perhaps Nasdaq should hire more janets.

    FYI, your feeble understanding and navigation of information technology is material.

  198. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    You don’t have the right disposition for it.

    True, I’m not a sucker like you. Thanks for the compliment. Maybe I should change my name to Jones, move to New Jersey and work as a financial analyst for a defense contractor. Nah, that’s for suckers too. The possibilities to be a sucker are endless, aren’t they?

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

      I seem to have manipulated you into losing your cool and making a series of juvenile comments. I’m waiting for “Sticks and stones may break my bones…etc.”

  199. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Ding ding ding … Market update, market update!

    Nasdaq freeze passes 2 hour mark.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

      Finally, someone on CNBC asked the obvious question…do you think maybe they were hacked?

  200. Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Yes, but you are assuming Obama as an independent agent. He is obviously the tool of his higher ups – mostly White people who don’t consider themselves as such. Kapish?

    The army he is building is mostly Hispanic though. A wise decision on “his” part that bodes ill for us.

    Farce is going to hate you since he hates Whites.

  201. Elmendorf August 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    From Yahoo Finance today:

    “A new report out Thursday from Sentier Research found that the median annual household income of Americans was $52,100 in June, after adjusting for inflation. That’s 4.4% below the level in December 2009.
    Even more dramatic, the median income is 6.1% lower than the level in December 2007, when the recession began, and 7.2% lower than January 2000. For many Americans incomes aren’t just stagnant, they’re falling along with their purchasing power and standard of living.”
    ******************************************************************************

    Yeah, what a great “recovery”.

    E.

  202. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    Ding ding ding … Market update, market update!

    Nasdaq freeze passes 2 hour mark.

    It’s immaterial and doesn’t affect the valuation of the Nasdaq. Think of it like a day off….like Saturday or Sunday. I know, I know, you like to watch the ticker go up and down like mental patients like to watch the hands of a clock (even though fewer and fewer clocks have hands these days much to the mental patients’ chagrin), but despite your aggravation, it’s really no big whoop.

  203. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    The period goes inside the quotes.

    House.”

    And why are you putting quotes around Random House in the first place?

    Nope, I like it outside when it’s not a sentence or a phrase. That’s the way I’m going to do it for as long as I like. It looks better. It’s a matter of style, and that’s my style.

    As for why I put quotes around “Random House”, I don’t know. Perhaps it’s because you put quotes around pretty much everything you post and it’s contagious like a nasty virus. In future, why don’t you just quote your whole post. That way you’ll save typing out so many quote marks.

  204. janet August 22, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Qshtik said: “Finally, someone on CNBC asked the obvious question…do you think maybe they were hacked?”

    ===========

    Anybody on CFN who has even one dollar in the stock market is ignoring JHK’s prediction of an economic collapse in Fall 2013.

    Now is the time to act. NOW IS CRUNCH TIME! Get your money out of the market now. If you don’t get out, don’t whine post-collapse.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

      Anybody on CFN who has even one dollar in the stock market is ignoring JHK’s prediction of an economic collapse in Fall 2013.

      This shows your ignorance once again. One can make a fortune during a market collapse by being short. And it is easy to be short now-a-days via inverse ETFs.

  205. janet August 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Carol said: “It’s a matter of style, and that’s my style.”

    Carol, I have a friend named e. e. cummings. I think you and he would get along nicely.

  206. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    “Official” South African unemployment is around 25% while the real number is close to 40%. Compare this to Vietnam where unemployment is around TWO percent.

    And to think, all that U.S. taxpayer money spent supporting the Apartheid regime in South Africa in order to beat back Communism like they ultimately got in Vietnam. Had we allowed Communism to take root in South Africa, like Vietnam, it’d have 2% unemployment today versus 40%. Of course, murdering approximately 5 million Vietnamese greatly reduced their population so there are fewer today who need jobs than would have been the case had the U.S. not murdered them.

  207. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    “Carol,” regarding your intent to discuss race, racism and racists, your assignment for today is:

    Identify the oldest known English dictionary that contained definitions of the words race, racism and racist. Inform us whether those definitions contained a negative sense to them as current dictionaries do. For example the italicized words from this definition of racism:

    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

  208. janet August 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    Qshtik said: ““Carol,” regarding your intent to discuss race…”

    —————-

    Q., don’t tell me you believe dictionary definitions of race.

    You are attempting to trap Carol with your request re: “race.”

    Race doesn’t matter. In fact, it doesn’t even exist in humans.

    While that may sound like the idealistic decree of a minister or rabbi, it’s actually the conclusion of an evolutionary and population biologist at Washington University in St. Louis.

    Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences at Washington University, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right qualitative type of variation — it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity.

    Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, the world is colorblind. That is, it should be.

    “Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans — genetic differences,”says Templeton.

    “Evolutionary history is the key to understanding race, and new molecular biology techniques offer so much on recent evolutionary history. I wanted to bring some objectivity to the topic. This very objective analysis shows the outcome is not even a close call: There’s nothing even like a really distinct subdivision of humanity.”

    Templeton used the same strategy to try to identify race in human populations that evolutionary and population biologists use for non-human species, from salamanders to chimpanzees. He treated human populations as if they were non-human populations.

    “I’m not saying these results don’t recognize genetic differences among human populations,” he cautions. “There are differences, but they don’t define historical lineages that have persisted for a long time. The point is, for race to have any scientific validity and integrity it has to have generality beyond any one species. If it doesn’t, the concept is meaningless.”

    • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

      Yes, an excellent post, although I wouldn’t go so far as to say it doesn’t matter. It matters in the sense that people still believe in a false concept, and so long as people believe it, they can act on it…..thus the lingering and haunting effects. In this sense, I’m torn. If I attempt to eradicate it by pretending it doesn’t matter, then the belief in it and its effects continue unabated until all, or most all adopt the same view that it’s invalid and doesn’t matter. But what if you don’t want to wait two centuries for that to happen? What if you’d rather see it happen in two decades? Pretending it doesn’t matter, individually, is more likely to result in the former. Q. Shtik doesn’t go away if I pretend he doesn’t matter. Q. Shtik believes some of this shit (cultural superiority), and his life choices have been predicated on these beliefs. How else can you explain someone who’s career was spent enabling profit from the murder of what he must have believed were inferior people?

  209. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    “Carol,” regarding your intent to discuss race, racism and racists, your assignment for today is:

    That can be your assignment if you’re so inclined. You don’t give assignments to your superiors. It’s the other way around.

    That being said, it would be an interesting exercise. Let’s conjecture that the historically defined terms are negatively connoted, would that be surprising? If not, why not? If so, why so? The answer could be a litmus test for the lingering and haunting effects of historical “racism” that was defined positively in its day. If you believe that the historical definition, assuming it’s positively connoted or neutral in its judgement, is the more objective and impartial definition and that the current negatively connoted definition is partial and subjective, then you obviously suffer from the haunting and lingering effects. You’ve been conditioned from an early age. It’s up to you to break free of that conditioning just as it’s up to the addict to admit he/she is addicted and take the necessary steps to get clean. All we, people who have broken free, can do is offer you guidance….a pathway, but it is you who must walk…..or maybe crawl at first.

    • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

      Let’s conjecture that the historically defined terms are negatively connoted……

      should be

      Let’s conjecture that the historically defined terms are positively connoted…..

  210. janet August 22, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    Carol, I think you are missing Q.’s attempt to manipulate you. He wants you to look at historical definitions because he believes the word race is inoffensive, objectively describing genetic differences in humans. He is wrong about that, but he wants to use linguistics to support his unscientific racial bigotry. He wants us to believe the poor word has been distorted and now unfairly carries a negative connotation. Q. is full of shit. Don’t let him get to you.

    • Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

      I agree, janet. I saw right through it. Read my response again in its entirety. I put the straight-jacket back on him.

  211. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

    Nope, I like it outside unless it’s a sentence or a phrase. – “Carol”

    I understand completely. In similar fashion, sometimes I get it in my head that “the” looks better spelled h-t-e and “cat,” t-a-c. Sometimes I ignore Stop signs. Who are they to tell me when to stop or go?

  212. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    This shows your ignorance once again. One can make a fortune during a market collapse by being short. And it is easy to be short now-a-days via inverse ETFs.

    Not if during the collapse, Iran releases their version of the Stuxnet that is designed to dissolve ALL INSTANCES of Western electronic bank and trading accounts. You’d be up shit creek. Sure, you could try and huff over there (if there is a there) with your paper copies, cuz knowing you I’m sure you have them filed neatly away, but good luck getting any customer service at that point, let alone your money back. At that point, you will realize it was always just an abstraction. Yes, an abstraction that had the potential to become tangible upon liquidation, but until that time, still an abstraction. You can’t eat with an abstraction. You won’t eat with an abstraction.

  213. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    I understand completely. In similar fashion, sometimes I get it in my head that “the” looks better spelled h-t-e and “cat,” t-a-c. Sometimes I ignore Stop signs. Who are they to tell me when to stop or go?

    No, not the same. You’re conflating cherries and eggplant. They’re significantly different in many ways. It depends on how deep you want to drill. Of course, with a simple mind such as yours, I understand why you do these things. You don’t like to delve too deep into these matters because it takes time away from watching the ticker go up and down. I bet you watch paint dry too.

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

      They’re significantly different in many ways

      How?

      Name three.

  214. beantownbill. August 22, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    Thank you E for putting into numbers what I have been saying anecdotally, that we are worse off than we were in past years. True, anecdotal evidence isn’t as strong as mathematical evidence, but it can be correct. When I focus my eyes straight down, I can see something sticking out of my face. I believe it’s my nose, plainly, but I can’t “prove” it without special tools (like a mirror).

    I believe it’s pretty obvious we are worse off than in1973, when real wages began falling behind rising cost of living. All we have to do is speak to the people around us to learn where they are economically, and the picture is not pretty. Economics is not a science. Just by observation we see the truth.

    • anti dod August 23, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      The population has doubled since, oh, 1965?
      35,000,000 more people since yr 2000.

  215. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    That can be your assignment if you’re so inclined. – “Carol”

    Yeah, I tried researching this question a year ago but since I am so technically challenged I had no success. It seems like something Ja’Soka could accomplish in 10 minutes flat but s/he fears what s/he might discover.

  216. ozone August 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Say, Kids, can you spot the commonalities and the cons?
    No… this is not about ‘race’ or an extremely difficult version of “Where’s Waldo?”; go ‘head, gaze and guess. It’s fun! (In the same sense that McDonald’s is ‘fun’.)

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a6116479970b-600wi

    No requests or excuses will be entertained at this time. Thank you for your time.

  217. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    “Carol,” your goal of leading a meaningful discussion of race is destined to fail. You will never get two people here to agree on what the proper definitions of the relevant terms – race, racism and racist – are or should be. One only need look at your own definition(s), which you assume no one will have a problem with, to see how biased you already are.

    Following is the first sentence of a lengthy note regarding the word race that appears on-line in The Free Dictionary by Farlex:

    Usage Note: The notion of race is nearly as problematic from a scientific point of view as it is from a social one.

    It is evident (at least to me) that the publishers of this dictionary are highly constrained by political correctness (i.e. scared shitless to call a spade a spade) and expound volumes of pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo to convince readers that there REALLY isn’t any difference between a White and a Black and between a Swede and a Chinese, not REALLY.

    If lexicographers have been unable to agree on definitions for hundreds of years all I can say about your pet project is, “Good Luck!”

  218. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Race doesn’t matter. In fact, it doesn’t even exist in humans. – Ja’Soka

    This^ is “The King has no clothes” on steroids.

  219. progress4what August 22, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    Here’s a pretty good overview of the NASDAQ trading halt.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/22/us-nasdaq-halt-tapec-idUSBRE97L0V420130822
    Comments are fascinating. There were only 10 when I read them – and several could have been written by your average conspiracy-minded CFN’er.

    And the second comment said, “First!”

  220. progress4what August 22, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    Carol N. maybe onto an important discussion. Will it be worthwhile on CFN with Ja’Soker calling “racist” on all and sundry with whom he disagrees.

    Well, that remains to be seen.
    Based on previous Ja’Soker behavior, however, no it will not.

    ====================

    And, carol, to go back to your post on social class – are you saying:

    That issues of social class do not exist?
    That issues of social class should not exist?
    That issues of social class can be eliminated from the human experience?
    That social class is a proxy for race and shouldn’t be.
    That race is a proxy for social class and shouldn’t be.

    Please,(and I can’t believe I’m typing this) elaborate.

  221. janet August 22, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    “Any brokerage firm gets paid by executing orders,” said Sal Arnuk, co-head of equity trading at Themis Trading in Chatham, New Jersey. “So yes, we are frustrated, and this hurts us, it hurts the market and it hurts public confidence.”

    One of the funniest things I’ve read today. The market is irrelevant to most people’s lives. The market was not hurt. Public confidence was not hurt. Most of the public have absolutely nothing to do with the market in an active way. Most people don’t have excess cash flow to invest in stocks and bonds. Those who are invested in the market are cruisin’ for a bruisin’ unless they read JHK and get the hell out of the market before the Fall 2013 collapse predicted by JHK. The DOW could easily go below 4,000.

  222. progress4what August 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    http://sistahvegan.com/2013/06/01/can-black-people-be-racist-towards-white-people/

    Apparently, there is this entire discipline of academia with an ESSENTIAL belief that only white people can be racist.

    Amazing. Who knew.
    Comments to “Sistah Vegan’s” post are quite interesting, also.

    ======================

    “sistah”

    That’s interesting, there, coming as it does from a PhD and, presumably, a role model for the next generation.

  223. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    Ja’Soka discussing the findings of a scientist named Templeton:

    “I’m not saying these results don’t recognize genetic differences among human populations,” he cautions.

    OK Temp, I’m with you so far.

    “There are differences, but they don’t define historical lineages that have persisted for a long time.

    Umm, not sure what you mean. How long is a long time? Are you saying Black folks in Africa have only possessed blackness and kinky hair for a thousand years or do you mean a million years and in either case it’s not long enough to call them a race?

    The point is, for race to have any scientific validity and integrity it has to have generality beyond any one species. If it doesn’t, the concept is meaningless.”

    Do you mean like different races of hippos? My IQ is only 112. You’re going to have to explain “for race to have any scientific validity and integrity it has to have generality beyond any one species” as though you were talking to a north Miami, FL high school senior like Rachel Jeantel.

  224. progress4what August 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    “Who knew.” This needed a “question” mark. “?”

    Carol N. maybe onto an important discussion.
    Should be “Carol N may be onto an important question.”

    =======================

    And CFN could use an “edit” function.

    ========================

    One more idea:

    Is there some reason that these comments have to be broken up into discreet pages? It would make for a(ever so slightly) more coherent discussion if the comments were on ONE searchable page.

    Q -would you like to contact the “Head Nerd” and explore this?

    • Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

      Q -would you like to contact the “Head Nerd” and explore this?

      No, he no longer responds. I guess he would require a purchase order from JHK.

  225. Q. Shtik August 22, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

    “Carol,” thus far you haven’t replied to my question posted at 4:38 PM so I’ll repeat them.

    They’re significantly different in many ways – “Carol”

    How?

    Name three.

  226. ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    Knock on wood! Ja’soka’rol keepin’ it (r33l?) flooded, as per *par*. And Bleat claims the sock deleted his vid poast? Haha, only 1 sockie HERE can delete(/ban)… (Who might *that* be)

    Oh, gotta love the latest oil industry adds – they’re *INVESTING*!!! I guess that’s what you call exponentially extracting every last remaining natural resource – “investing” (it used to be called *depletion*).

    Ended up with 1 sterile tomato plant this year (out of 14) – been picking/saving seeds from “best tomates” for ~22 years now (~7 varieties – red cherry/yellow pear/red plum/purple heirloom/early girl mix/roma/[sterile]). The raspberries/blackberries/grapes/plums/cherries/blueberries did quite well this year. Planting pole beans and sugar snap peas on each tree helped reduce fertilization requirements, as did clover – and the bocking-14 comfrey is growing in about 22 different locations now.

    Need to work on the chicken coup construction, and get me 3 hens (can’t do rabbits here, yet – slaughter not allowed in the ‘burbs)… Bees are still swarming – about 3-7 every sq ft, and about 6 different species (spearmint).

    • ozone August 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

      Any tips on spotting tomato hornworms? Those hellaciously destructive S.O.B.’s are mighty hard to see! (10 found that they weren’t good swimmers today.)

      Tip for beezes: Oregano flowers for a loooooong time and those critters love it. Just have to be careful to keep the stuff contained; it’s a prolific wanderer.

      • ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2013 at 8:18 pm #

        I musta *BUST MY GUT* telling you’allz about ORY-gone. Ayup, still here in ORY-gone – no worms *yet*. POAST your vid with you playin’ *TUNEZ* (I’m “serious, *ZONER*”)…

        (Spearmint [EG])/./

    • ozone August 22, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

      Butterfly bush is a good perennial too, but it starts flowering later and not for quite as long.

  227. janet August 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    “And Bleat claims the sock deleted his vid poast? ”

    This is true. The sock did delete the vid.

  228. BackRowHeckler August 22, 2013 at 7:59 pm #

    Poison gas was deployed in Syria, by whom I don’t know. Where the hell do they think they are, at Loos on the Western Front, 1915? (where gas was first used, by the Germans, as a weapon).

    No longer refer to Bradley Manning. His name from here on in is ‘Chelsea’ Manning. He’s a woman now, and will be getting hormone treatments, presumably at taxpayers expense. That ought to go over big a Leavenworth, Chelsea’s new home. Hey, don’t ask me, its all part of the freak show that’s modern American Life. I’m not a bit surprised, are you? And it is official; you do indeed get an extra 10 days leave, on top of the customary 30 days, if you want to marry the Marine in the next bunk. Sure, his feet smell from 9 days of bivouac, and he’s farting like hell from the dozen cold beers he downed at the EM club last night, but you’re sweet on him just the same. And there is that extra Annual Leave, 10 days, plus allowances for married housing and groceries. What a deal! Who wouldn’t go for that? This is the US Military that’s backing up the mighty ‘Empire’ (Guam, Samoan Islands, Puerto Rico) so many here complain about.

    My problem is that the Tomatoes are big, but they’re still green and not turning red. How long will it take, if ever, for them to ripen up?

    –BRH

    • anti dod August 22, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

      Ya see, asokas not the only one to get a ‘gender reassignment’
      California has a new ‘tranny law for students’!

      ‘presumably at taxpayers expense’……DUH? Presumably?

  229. bob August 22, 2013 at 8:11 pm #

    The economic model was fashioned in a time when horsepower meant exactly that. The foundation of the model is that human wants are unlimited and resources are limited, so you can have a price system model. At that more agrarian time there wasn’t the technology or machines to convert resources into stuff. You could well imagine the thoughts of iPads and fast cars dancing in the imagination of our great grandparents, having just the basics their wants would seem unlimited.Fast forward and man mastered production ,in fact the more he produced the fewer man hours were needed the kilowatt hour was and is replacing the man hour. I think we have a problem here,anyone up for a real good blow em up stuff war. Did Ben figure out that WW11
    was very favourable for ending the Great Depression. As long as we have the resources ,energy materials we can saturate the markets ,think all those cars on the lots. Bring on the debt put the people into debt so more stuff and profits can be made more wars fought ,let the party never end let the dream continue. Unfortunately reality is a reality and as we awaken from the American dream we are sensing a menacing landscape , think Detroit.

  230. Carol Newquist August 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    Name three.

    Three. There, and I even spelled it for you at no extra charge. Aren’t I swell?

    Now, no more questions. State whether you agree or disagree with something and if so why, if you feel obliged, but I’m not here to answer your questions like some dog sitting for a treat.

    janet, note how Q. Shtik avoids the initial criterion I’ve set out, and as a result no honest discussion can be had if those involved in the discussion don’t clearly state where they stand on the terms. The definition of “race” I provided from Wikipedia in my very first post on this issue was neutral, meaning it wasn’t negatively connoted. I know where you stand as it relates to “race” and I applaud you for being hones