JHK’s Three-Act Play
On last week’s podcast, Duncan and I yakked about an important concept introduced by Nicole Foss at The Automatic Earth blog site. This concept was “the trust horizon,” which outlines how legitimacy is lost in the political hierarchy. That is, people stop trusting larger institutions like the federal or state government and end up vesting their interests much closer to home. Thus, life de-centralizes and becomes more local by necessity. Your own trust horizon extends only as far as other persons, businesses, institutions, and authorities immediately around you – the banker who will meet with you face-to-face, the mayor of your small town, the local food-growers. At the same time, distant ones become impotent and ludicrous – or possibly dangerous as they flounder to re-assert their vanishing influence.
It is obvious that we are in the early stages of this process in the USA (and Europe), as giant institutions such as the Federal Reserve, the Executive branch under Mr. Obama, the US Congress (the ECB), the SEC, the Department of Justice, the Treasury Department, and other engines of management all fail in one way or another to discharge their obligations.
The people of the USA, having been let down and swindled in so many ways by the people they placed their trust in, and even freely elected, appear to be in a daze of injury. Maybe this accounts for the obsession with zombies and persons drained of blood – who yet seem to carry on normal lives (at least in TV shows). This odd condition is best defined by the familiar cry from non-zombies: “where’s the outrage?” Which brings me to today’s point.
Investment guru James Dines introduced another seminal idea on Eric King’s podcast last week. Dines’s work over the years has focused much more on human mob psychology than technical market analysis – which he seems to regard as akin to augury with chicken entrails. Dines now introduces the term “murmuration” to describe the way that rapid changes occur in the realm of human activities. The word refers to behaviors also seen in other living species, such as the way a large flock of starlings will all turn in the sky at the same instant without any apparent communication. We don’t know how they do that. It seems to be some kind of collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding.
Dines goes on to suggest that the political stirrings and upheavals of the past year represent an instance of human “murmuration” that will lead to even greater epochal changes in geopolitical and economic life. Now, I’ve often said 1) history doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes [thank you, Mark Twain], and 2) that these times are like the 1850s. To be more precise today, these two concepts of “the trust horizon” and “murmuration” point to a moment in time that I believe we are now rhyming with: the revolutions of 1848 and the events that grew out of it.
The spring of that year was an inflection point when discontent over the changes sweeping through European society broke into open insurrection in France, Prussia, Austria, Italy, Poland, South America, and other places all seemingly at once – despite the absence of television and the internet. However, the upheavals of 1848 occurred not long after the first practical installation of a telegraph line from Annapolis, Maryland, to Washington, DC (and then in Europe). It was also a time when the first railroad networks were linking up.
In February that crucial year, the liberal “Citizen King” Louis-Philippe of France was driven off the throne after an 18-year-reign characterized by tranquility and prosperity compared to the decades that preceded it. In March, street protests and violence spread through the grab-bag of kingdoms, dukedoms, and obscure principalities (Prussia… Saxony… Hesse… Fulda…) that would eventually make up the super-state of greater Germany. The Austrian empire began its slide into senility as its constituent states rioted. Even the people in Switzerland went batshit. And so on. Enter, stage left, Marx and Engels with a new political theory, for the excellent reason that the industrial revolution was reaching its stride and the conditions of daily life were changing very rapidly. Country people left farms for factory jobs all over the continent, and the ill-effects of the new wage-slavery drove them into solidarity. The uproar of 1848 was widespread and left many changes in its wake. But it was short and it produced odd instances of right-wing reaction.
In France, for instance, Louis-Philippe was sent packing (to England), and a new republic was established – but the president it elected was Napoleon Bonaparte’s nephew, Louis Napoleon who, in a matter of months declared himself president-for-life, and then Emperor. He was not at all a bad ruler, as things turned out. Among other achievements, he presided over the massive physical renovation of Paris that produced the “city of light” beloved today. But he was driven off his throne twenty-odd years later from the ill effects of the opera bouffe known as the Franco-Prussian War.
In any case, the main point is that so many people across a continent got the same idea in the first weeks of a particular year, and then set about expressing themselves violently. More to my point is how things worked out in America. You have no doubt realized by now that there was no uprising in the USA in 1848 (though we did prosecute a war with Mexico). Yet, in the best Fourth Turning sense of history, a new generation had come of age and was producing the revolution in ideas that included Emerson and Thoreau’s Transcendentalism, and the abolition movement, dedicated to ending slavery. This combination of broadly-held idealistic notions boiled away for another decade and led to the “mumuration” that precipitated the biggest bloodbath of the civilized world in the 19th century: the American Civil War. The Revolution of 1848 expressed itself most horrifically in the place that thought itself most specially insulated from its effects.
Hence, when you read an idiot such as Paul Krugman in Monday’s New York Times Op-Ed kindergarten, prating on the end of hard times in the USA, swallow a good half-pound of kosher salt. James Dines is right, a great human “murmuration” is underway, vibrating like a bass chord through bodies politic all over the world. Wait until you see what breaks loose at the Democratic and Republican conventions later this year.
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Great read this week, Jim.
Rhymes, indeed. More like free verse looking for a beat to dance to.
Congratulations (for making it through another year) and wishing you prosperity (however you may define it) in this Year of the Water Dragon!
I like the concepts of trust horizon and murmuration, as they connect me to my scientific roots. Trust horizon recalls event horizon, something that marks the surface of a black hole. If we hit the event horizon, then we’ll be sucked into the black hole with no escape. Of course, the center of a black hole is a singularity, so I suspect you don’t want to extend the metaphor that far! As for murmuration, that’s an even better one, as I’m an amateur astronomer, but a professional biologist who has studied animal behavior. Since humans are just a very smart social mammal, we shouldn’t be surprised at how our behavior reflects that of other social animals, including coordination of group behavior by murmuration. Thanks for adding those concepts to my vocabulary. I’ll be sure to blog about them and credit you for inspiring me.
Speaking of my blogging, I started off and ended the week at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News pointing out the GOP’s lack of sincerity in their ideas, as the two major political parties have core interest groups, not core ideologies. I also showed that I wasn’t the only person who thought Willard the Rat Romney was a robot, supported the blackout against SOPA, documented a small success for public transportation despite Tea Party obstruction, noted this year’s tardy first significant snowfall and meditated on how it was a continuation of last year’s record-setting weather, and once again pointed out how Detroit is both a warning and a source of hope for the rest of North America. All that was in addition to wishing everyone a Happy Lunar New Year in four languages and three scripts. With that, I leave you all with another wish: Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
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“the trust horizon”
I’ve been calling this the “Leaven of Herod”. As in, trusting those who have not passed any test of trust other than a self-administered one.
Great article.
Yeah, like we really care what a bunch of guys in New York City are trying to sell us or those in Washington that are charting our national destiny or those in Hollywood that are coaching us what to think about and how we should react socially.
The biggest farce is letting those in Tel Aviv chart our foreign policy.
we ll hope like hell it won t be the rhythm of war drums…
That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.
Ecclesiastes, 200 BCE
Archeologists in Israel have discovered that the ancient City-States of K’na’an were wholly abandoned and their temple complexes left to rot. The Israelites rejected the old system of Empire and abandoned their City-Lords in favor of freedom in the hills of Judea.
What the ancient Israelites have learned that without YOU participating in the system, there is no system.
To everything there is a season. And that which has been done is that which will be done again.
James, Freedom is just another word for something left to lose! We prefer censorship here in the Empire!
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/censored/
It was a good essay. I was hoping, though, for an analysis of the “Sieg Heil” moment at the beginning of the CNN debate in South Carolina, when all of the baldknobbers stood to cheer their new-found Führer.
Love the post, JHK
A friend of mine just posted a video the other day of the bird migration you just described. As she is a both political in her thinking and is a well known performance artist who was just on WBAI yesterday, I find it interesting that the bird behavior would be the way to describe this moment.
As we move toward the distortions of the event horizon created by the lies and doublespeak of globalism we are entering into a trust horizon…
NONE of the politicians “leading” US will be honest with us with as to what needs to be done. I assume half do not know and the other half are terrified to tell us. You can’t look to them.
“Contraction” I guess that now includes a shrinking “Trust Horizon”
Last – For the moment.
i am inspired to think of the m c escher birds, in that we as blog families have an opportunity to steer our own flocks through, and hopefully past the knee-jerk reactions and directions of those flocks of vultures (zombified) that will unavoidably arise at the whim of whatever nazi tries to take over in the vacuum of what is left of our (formerly) constitutional republic…
“Yet, in the best Fourth Turning sense of history, a new generation had come of age and was producing the revolution in ideas that included Emerson and Thoreau’s Transcendentalism, and the abolition movement, dedicated to ending slavery.”
*Blink*
Oh. My. G-d! I was hoping to see the day you mentioned Strauss and Howe’s “The Fourth Turning,” but was never sure I would. After your a handful of your readers have been suggesting you and the rest of your followers read the book for nearly two years, you finally did. This ranks right up there with you paying heed to the commenters who suggested you read Joe Bageant, and you finally did, assimilating his concept of “The Hologram” for being the simulacrum of American civil society that produces what you have called “the Consensus Trance,” which the murmuration you describe appears to be the way in which the country is waking up form “the consensus trance.” As someone who has been a fan of Strauss and Howe for more than 20 years, when they published “Generations: A History of America’s Future,” I’m thrilled!
That written, your comparison of today with 1848 and the subsequent 1850s would be one that long-time students of Strauss and Howe’s idea of the Saeculum (their concept of cyclical history) would disagree with, at least for the United States. They (actually, we, as I’m one of them) would point out that the 1840s and 1850s were part of what Strauss and Howe call an Unraveling, as were the Nineteen-teens and Roaring Twenties, and the Eighties and Nineties, with some people thinking that early and mid-2000s were part of one, too. All the serious followers of Strauss and Howe would consider the period since 2008 (if not since 9/11) to be part of a Crisis. We’re much more like 1860 or 1936, both early parts of a Crisis, than 1848.
On the other hand, if you’re comparing the Arab Spring to 1848, you’d probably get the posters at The Fourth Turning forum to agree with you. Most of the Islamic part of the planet seems to have passed through a Spiritual Awakening during the late 70s, 80s, and early 90s, so the Arab World being in an Unraveling right now would be very plausible.
Also, comparing the Transcendentals to the Boomers is a very apt and fair comparison. No one who has read any of Strauss and Howe’s books would argue with you about that!
Nice historical framework. As a longtime reader, glad to see the satellite view, not just the witty screed view (right enough as it tends to be).
I’d add into the murmuration the resonances of distrust (at last) of the corporate consumer culture, whose blandishments of endless growth were believable for a time, but are no longer. Of course that’s the framework of your thinking — but it’s worth mentioning, as you’re tarring government institutions with thef mantle of murmuration.
Part of what we’ve been doing for the last four years at apocadocs.com isn’t just be-quipping the new of the converging emergencies, but also listening for rumbles of discontent — hoping for murmurs.
For the most part, we’ve listened to a vast empty chasm of nothing, even as the news got more dire and fit the worst predictions like puzzle pieces.
But over the last year we’ve been seeing the various Springs, the Occupy movement, and increasing numbers of people saying “hey, wait just a cotton-pickin’ minute” about where the world is going. The murmurs are rising.
My hope is that we will see a set of mostly nonviolent revolutions, even if it’s grindingly ugly and itchy and scratchy.
Hope is about all I have to battle my informed pessimism; there ain’t many facts available to serve as weapons in that personal battle.
I was unable to download the Dines podcast as I’m not very computer savvy. But if I understand you (and Dines) correctly then this ‘mumurization’ process is one in which a disconcerting reality or idea emerges in a population more-or-less all at once. The collective conscious is helpless to deal with the issue in a coherent manner, and thus grumbling or murmuring about the problem emerges, seemingly from all sectors of the population. The authorities become alarmed, as this murmuring seems to have no center – no culprits or leaders to detain.
The earliest written example I can find on this process comes from the 15th chapter of the Book of Exodus. Murmuring is mentioned several times, example, “And the whole congregation of Israel murmured against the Lord, saying, ‘Would that we had died by the hand of the Lord in Egypt, when we sat by the fleshpots and ate bread to the full. Instead you have brought us to the wilderness to perish of hunger’.”
God didn’t take murmuring lightly. Sometimes he met the demands of the murmurers, more often he came down hard on them. But he seemed to know that murmuring always has the potential to lead to big trouble. He never treated it lightly – not once!
Those who have ears, let them hear.
Quick! Anyone who has something intelligent to say, send it in before the cranks and racists take over with their tiresome pissing matches!
Human society is the ultimate example of a chaotic, self-organizing system, and we are only beginning to grasp the dynamics of such systems. The one intellectual edifice most in need of being shattered and reformed in light of this new understanding is economics. At her best, Stoneleigh’s writings are a breath of fresh air and point the way toward this new kind of understanding, so as far as that goes, more power to her.
All the same, it seems to me that we as a society have more invested in those long-distance bonds of trust than just Wal-Mart’s quarterly dividend and the ten thousand mile Caesar salad. To put it bluntly, people you can do profitable business with are worth more to you alive than dead, which goes a long way toward explaining the relative peace and prosperity (for quite a few, anyway) of the past few decades. When that profit motive dies and the trust horizon contracts, the incentives can fall on the other side of the life/death equation.
Within societies as well, contraction will produce suspicion and paranoia, identification with tribe, clan and in-group, and motivate hostility against out-groups and a search for scapegoats. This is a formula for losing a lot of what is best in our societies, not just the things that we will be well rid of. Unless, that is, we choose solidarity over tribalism. I hope we will.
You can have a cete of badgers, a clowder of cats, a pride of lions, or a a murmuration of starlings, but not a murmuration of human beings. Very weak metaphor.
Just look at the current chaos in the Republican Party and the failure of murmuration despite Roger Ailes’ best efforts.
Oh c’mon, let the good times roll! I don’t want the party to end until I am passed out drunk in the gutter. I’m just getting going.
Pass the salt.
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Thanks Jim. I love history. It explains where we have been and usually where we are going. Indeed it does rhyme. It is also about 60 years since France “Gaul” has had a good ass-kicking by Germany “Prussia”. Economically or otherwise. Being of German descent with family in Hamburg I know Germans are sick of bailing out Europe just as we would be, keeping Mexico and the rest of Latin America solvent. There is brewing trouble everywhere and still the burning question is slow crash/fast crash. When the people that are pulling the cart get tired of and/or become outnumbered by the people riding in it is when real change will happen.
Hi Jim and all the gang
Well, at first I thought, boy Jim is really disconnected, talking about 1848. But those murmurations are occurring, they are most visible on the internet. Now that open cyberwar has commenced, those murmurations will become a roar. Everyday brings news of new battle engagements in cyberspace. I expect a large and serious assault on the internet as a whole to take place soon, by the PTB. They desparately want to shut down this avenue of information exchange and hotbed of independent ideas. The murmurations on the net are viewed, I suspect with deep chagrin and consternation by PTB entities. Who have a vested interest in controlling the current paradigm. So good job Jim, pointing out connections with today to times of past unrest and uncertainty. Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat disasters, according to General Santanna.
The farce of the GOP primaries continue with a resurgence of the ethical midget Gingrich, LOL. Does it get anymore burlesque? Meanwhile Obama continues to deploy troops and carriers to the Mideast. Europe has agreed to the economic sanctions against Iran. Iran has said they will definitely c
Gingrich paid for by Sheldon Adelson, he of fame for pulling his support of AIPAC for being liberal squishes over Israel’s security. Now do you understand why the gentile white left is in such dissaray and fewer and fewer people identify with the left except to protect their little financial rackets?
The Left simply cannot explain reality anymore. And no you lefties don’t bother ripping me about the half wit “acceptable” TV approved Right Wing full of idiot Christian Zionists (and Glen Beck) who drip with White Guilt Syndrome while praising Chinese slave labor capitalism.
Hi Jim and all the gang
Well, at first I thought, boy Jim is really disconnected, talking about 1848. But those murmurations are occurring, they are most visible on the internet. Now that open cyberwar has commenced, those murmurations will become a roar. Everyday brings news of new battle engagements in cyberspace. I expect a large and serious assault on the internet as a whole to take place soon, by the PTB. They desparately want to shut down this avenue of information exchange and hotbed of independent ideas. The murmurations on the net are viewed, I suspect with deep chagrin and consternation by PTB entities. Who have a vested interest in controlling the current paradigm. So good job Jim, pointing out connections with today to times of past unrest and uncertainty. Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat disasters, according to General Santanna.
The farce of the GOP primaries continue with a resurgence of the ethical midget Gingrich, LOL. Does it get anymore burlesque? Meanwhile Obama continues to deploy troops and carriers to the Mideast. Europe has agreed to the economic sanctions against Iran. Iran has said they will definitely c
An important component of the revolutionary period leading to 1848 was the Chartist Movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartism
This originated in the UK among skilled artisans/craftsmen who were threatened or had be put out of business by industrialization. I grew to include many of the factory ‘slaves’ themselves dissatisfied with the new system.
The old battle of the Chartists (and the Luddites) is being taken up again as industrialization falters due to inability of the enterprise to support itself or gain more credit.
I must agree with the above commenter that today reminds me more of the 1930s. I think a good parallel might be the democratic Third Republic of France. It formally ended with the “peoples representatives” handing over power to a dictator, Petain, as the Germans put the final nails in the coffin. Even though the Germans were the final impetus, the republic was already dead for all practical purposes as it was not meeting the demands of governance. The populace was divided, cynical and had lost all faith in the republic.
“…such as the way a large flock of starlings will all turn in the sky at the same instant without any apparent communication. We don’t know how they do that. It seems to be some kind of collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding.”
A study of magnetite and the magnetic force fields surrounding the Earth might yield some clues.
Mister James,
Most interesting you should write on this topic at this time; although I’m sure that the troglodytic “debate” audiences gave us some brief eye-opening moments recently. ;o)
I’ve seen the slow erosion of trust in brittle, over-complex and unresponsive/inflexible institutions turn to an accelerating landslide very recently. It’s really been an exponential acceleration; it wasn’t noticed by most for over the past 6 or 7 years (the period in which it’s been most evident), but now it’s gained an unstoppable momentum.
I feel the FIRST iteration of the floundering State will be iron-fisted Fascism in all it’s bloody glory. What damage that might inflict is anybody’s guess, up to and including WW3.
BUT, that’s usually the reaction to loss of stability and trust; many weak-willed, weak-minded, directionless lumpenprole fools will buy into this “former glory” bullshit and will invest their very lives into gimlet-eyed, megalo-maniacal leaders who will bring about the final suicidal crash of the FUSA in a blaze of fire and rivers of gore. (I think this describes the majority of ‘Murkins, unfortunately. Survivors of the Great Crumbling will simply be lucky, or UNlucky, depending on one’s point of view.)
One can see how postures of belligerence by the G.reedy O.ld P.ederasts “candidates” are greeted with rabid enthusiasm.
This will be the learning process; what comes after will be informed directly by what these death throes will have revealed.
Missed this week’s ‘Cast! That will be corrected; I must have my dose of Kunstler-ganda! ;o)
From the “hip-replacement” fan from years ago…Last year you said you’d give-in & get a Twitter Acct or at least a Share Button so fans could post your articles….
Recommend-Fukuyama’s “The Origins of Political Order” & Rickards “Currency Wars” as food for thought-Naked Capitalism as best blog.
Currently a Ron Paul Supporter as carrier of rebellious messages.
JHK- GREAT FUCKING MUSTACHE ON THE KUNSTLERCAST PHOTO! WELL DONE BRO!
..such as the way a large flock of starlings will all turn in the sky at the same instant without any apparent communication. We don’t know how they do that. It seems to be some kind of collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding. That was worth meditating on for another moment…The vibrating bass chord also resonates with me.
http://vimeo.com/31158841
So here’s my idea: murmuration is a leisure activity. Those starlings aren’t feeding when they’re flying around like that. They’re fed, and playing. People wouldn’t run marathons if they had to work on farms.
A phenomenon of group experience leads to a communication of shared sensation. Plants do this. With people, it is a yearning for ideas.
And the greatest, sudden discovery of leisure time is to become unemployed. Like Dines said, there are not going to be anymore jobs, ever, not like before. People sense that the weather is changing, that food is becoming more expensive, that all sorts of little broken things are not getting fixed any more. A foreboding, shared, expressed. A desire for panic, a release from the monotony of denial.
And before I leave, how come nobody remembers Marshall Mcluhan anymore? In trying to understand television he described the Internet, and was probably the first to do so.
Rhino, didn’t you read my criteria for who is an immigrant? The context of the immigration discussion is North America, of which Mexico is a part. The Mexicans are the indigenous peoples. If your family has not been here 500 years, then you are an immigrant. The Amerindians and Mexicans are not immigrants in my mind because they were here before 1492. – Asoka – last week
Asoka I’ve read a lot of absurd comments on this site but this is right near the top of the list.
“If your family has not been here 500 years, then you are an immigrant.” – In particular, this part of your comment Asoka is too imbecilic for further argument…
Or as Bustin more diplomatically put it:
“Asoka attempts to define the argument in his favor. This point of yours is not technical. It is not even a semantic or logical fallacy. It is just pure fantasy.” – Bustin
Charliefoxtrot hilariously put it in it’s proper context:
“here you go, hose (I think he meant Jose but then again maybe he meant hose – Rhino): a chance to change the perception of you as resident impediment- as i understand it, mexicans are not entirely indigenous; but a (forced, for the most part) mix of spaniard conquistadors (rapist soldiers) and indians…the question is moot, since it is not, in fact, 500 years ago; but for the purposes of discussion: i ll take 40 hectares and a bvurro…” – Charlie
But we’re not finished Asoka. “Mexicans” are the indigenous peoples? Excuse me …. sorry I just pissed myself laughing… had to change my clothes.
And you didn’t answer my question: what about the interests of Ameridians whose ancestors had been living in the southwestern part of what we now call the USA for 10,000+ years and who are not remotely what you call “Mexican”? Why do the interests of Hispanic or Spanish speakers from south of the Rio Grande take precedence?
You need to explain this. Why? Because there are situations in other parts of the world where people are trying to re-occupy areas that they say their ancestors once owned. Unfortunately these places have currently occupied by others who would beg to differ. Similar to what we see in the southwestern USA. Maybe we can take your ahem … “principles” of simple justice to the UN. Lord knows they can use some new ideas.
What about it Asoka? Don’t be shy. This is an anonymous blog. At the worst, even if your answer is half as nonsensical as the one I quoted above it will still be good for a laugh.
The “idiot” Krugman is one of the only sensible economists (modern day charlatans)who dares suggest that the great neo-con movement is actually just a con movement. He points out quite rightly that the economy and the state of the union would be in a much worse state if there had not been at least some public spending to offset the reduction in private spending. Just ask any right-wing business man if they would rather not have had any government contracts. Or just ask any employee if they would really rather have worked with an employer who has shrinking sales and revenues. That’s the easiest way to have a hypocrite revel himself! And you call Krugman an idiot?
Sorry for the double post and unended post, computer glitch.
As I was saying Iran has said they will definitely close the Strait of Hormuz if those sanctions are enforced. Ten dollar a gallon gas anyone?
Meanwhile the Tebow craze continues, evryone is in deep mourning for Joe Paterno, and we are treaterd to a long article about one of Jolie’s dresses. SIGH….. Oh well the tragicomedy continues.
loveday
well done JHK, you’re much too good for the sophomoric writing & prognostications that characterized you as of late…
very strong metaphor, the murmuration of starlings…
peace peaceniks
You know, Jim, I doubt if there’ll be much trouble at the Conventions this summer. Any potential troublemakers will be kept far, far away from the happy proceedings. Expect battalions of police and national guardsman, helicopters buzzing overhead, plainclothes operatives circulating throughout crowds identifying malcontents, K-Nine officers dressed in black tethered to their well disciplined German Sheperds … everything will under control, don’t you worry.
The other night local TV station ran ‘1984’ with Richard Burton and John Hurt. This was written in 1948, not 1848. This movie might be more apropo for us than any murmuring. “The future of mankind is a boot on a human face”. How could Blair had known. Now that’s what I call prescience!!
–WSP7
The trust horizon has two dimensions – the vertical or ‘power’ dimension (how much more powerful than you are the people you trust) and the horizontal or ‘geographic’ dimension (how far away are the people you trust and, thus, how large is the number of people you could potentially trust).
Because communication and organisation was, historically, bad, the two dimensions tended to be well correlated – the only way to trust someone thousands of miles away is if you were both subservient to the same sovereign. This is not the case any more.
When you talk of going back to small, local, and simple you keep the correlation unbroken and predict a complete reversal of history (which pretty much never happens). I , on the other hand, strongly suspect that we will be entering a never-before-experienced world in which the vertical trust horizon is low, but the horizontal trust horizon will remain rather high (and, indeed, continue to increase).
Really? Twelve days ago, Rasmussen gave Romney a 22% lead for the Republican nomination. Now after his performance in the South Carolina primary, Gingrich leads by 9%. This according to Andrew Sullivan’s blog this morning. If that’s not murmuration (an entire flock turning on a dime), I don’t know what is. It’s just that the one orchestrating it isn’t Roger Ailes, it’s Newt Gingrich.
“Your own trust horizon extends only as far as other persons, businesses, institutions, and authorities immediately around you.”
Well said, JHK. As a person of Middle-Eastern descent, I can safely say that this is a salient problem (among many) of “my people.” We trust what our crazy cousin says, such as “those Americans set off H-bombs under Indonesia to make the tsunami!” rather than employ a bit of critical thinking.
But that is too Western. Until now. Now we are acting like my crazy cousins.
Why? As a book reviewer of Eileen Pollack’s novel Breaking and Entering (about Michigan’s right-wing militias) put it so well in the NYT yesterday, “It may be more gratifying for people to regard themselves as victimized by a vast government conspiracy instead of ground down on a daily basis by an indifferent universe.”
Alas, 2012. Poor us.
My understanding of the events of 1848 is that it was a time of reaction to extreme disparities in wealth, specifically extreme poverty caused by the gathering momentum of the industrial revolution. Society was divided between those who had nothing and those who had property or who had made money off of those who had nothing.
But what do I know? I wasn’t there. If there is a parallel to be drawn it must be the widening gap between those who have and those who have not.
Our flock of birds will turn when the people realize the primrose path down which they have been lead benefits the few and not them. For now the belief in a ‘recovery’ keeps things peaceful. Our have nots remain deluded into believing that their ships will come in someday so peace continues.
Things will fall apart when the great majority comes to the realization that the future that they have been forced to pay for does not have a place for them in it.
K-dog
The contraction of the “trust horizon” will have calamitous consequences.
I’m familiar with a culture where people’s “trust horizon” extends no further than family and close friends and where the one certainty is that when you leave your house to do even what we would consider trivial tasks you need to have your antennas on full alert. Why? Because the person you are interacting with, if he or she is not a relative or close friend, will try to cheat you. Trust is in extremely short supply. Nothing is done on the level and nothing is clean and everyone cheats if they can.
This is an exhausting way to live and people in this place are utterly sick of it. But who will be the first to be honest? They know that honesty is the best policy but in their world the honest man is a fool. Just like the sprinter that doesn’t use performance enhancing drugs. The honest man like the honest runner will always be two strides behind the others at the finish line.
Who seriously thinks that govts and especially national govts aren’t bought and paid for by monied interests? Does anyone on this blog believe that what David Brooks calls the New York-Washington Axis acts with the interests of the man in the street in mind? It sounds trite to say that the fix is in. But it’s true. The fix is in. And so the trust horizon inexorably contracts.
Maybe because McLuhan was late to the party? We did have a functioning telegraph system in the late 1800’s that worked toward making the world a global village.
In the 1930’s Vannevar Bush came up with the memex concept. He published it in 1945:
Then computers were developed in the 1950s with the idea of point to point communication between mainframes and terminals, followed by DARPA development of the Internet in the 1960s. (The internet came before the WWW, which only got going in the 1990s with the development of HTML)
McLuhan wrote Gutenberg Galaxy in 1962 and Understanding Media in 1964, long after the development of the telegraph and Vannevar Bush’s memex concept.
Great comments today….well written. However,a command of the English language and a creative pen will not fix the Country.
Take note that we the people no longer control the Country. We have given our freedom to a crime family that dictates our lives. Soon there will be war. The people are too close to questioning why things are as they are in this Country. We are getting too close to the truth. The crime family/big money must change course and involve us in a scary, dangerous environment. This will take the people’s eye off the ball of misery that we now face. The citizens will be more involved in trying to find gasoline and tires, flour and sugar.
Soon the question we be…..what’s for supper rather than who won the super bowl!
Santa Claus isn’t coming to town this year……..
Which will happen first: the Second Coming or the collapse of the world economy. Jim may not live long enough to see his predictions vindicated.
Rhino, I am not going to respond to anyone posting on immigration or race or anti-feminism this week.
Can’t we just stay on topic for one week?
Kunstler: “the biggest bloodbath of the civilized world in the 19th century: the American Civil War.”
Not so: what about the contemporaneous Taiping Rebellion? Wikipedia: “The Taiping Rebellion was a widespread civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, led by heterodox Christian convert Hong Xiuquan against the ruling Manchu-led Qing Dynasty. About 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history.”
Your formulation makes sense, but it’s not true that we’ve ‘never before experienced’ a world of low vertical and high horizontal trust. This was exactly the formulation of the socialist movements, which emphasized international solidarity even as they sought either to overthrow or transform national governments.
Where socialist movements stayed on the path of low vertical trust, the result was totalitarian Communism. On the other hand, where they sought to restore high vertical trust, the result was the welfare state on either the European or New Deal models, and the familiar middle-class world of widely-shared prosperity which is now unfortunately beginning to crumble. The lesson is that trying to smash the state works out worse for everyone than working to fashion it into something that is worth trusting.
“This analyst sees the perfect storm of converging criteria almost perfectly timed and aligned with the 2012 election cycle. When the moment arrives, the financial earthquake will rapidly demolish the existing highly precarious financial system. Government will stand by helpless, unable to shield itself, much less its vulnerable citizens or private financial institutions from the tsunami of debt and currency destruction.”
A Financial Crisis in 2012 Is Inevitable! Here’s Why –
by Arnold Bock04/12/2011
Why insist on goading these people, there is more nonsense and out and out horseshit written on this blog about immigration than just about any other subject, well maybe religion.
Leftists, I call them leftists never can explain why someone from another country is more important than the people living here. They always fall back on sob stories about the suffering poor from other lands, and the rich traditions of ‘melting pot’, i.e ethnic food is really really really important. Or we’re all descended from immigrants, as though that justifies piling millions more people here until we become like China.
And lets no forget the constant hostility that wine sipping leftists have for Joe Sixpack, he’s fat, has tattoos, maybe an ex con, likes car races, likes guns, likes parades, believes in God, etcetera.
There’s really no arguing with these people, or perhaps there is no inteligent arguing with them, would be a better way of putting it
In the phenomena of murmuration, 27% of the starlings do not decide to go one direction, while 40% of the starlings decide to go another direction, 13% go a different direction, and some decide to stay home and not vote.
Get a different metaphor. Humans are not starlings.
Murmurations—Murmurizing–Murmur: an indistinct, continuous sound; a mumbled complaint.
I am not so sure this defines what has been coming out of the mouths of those inside the Grotesquely Oligarchy Party. What has been be pouring from their oral cavities is the message of a Neo-corporate George Wallace platform. To hell with those in the 99%. Hail to those in the 1%.
The Message has been distinct, nor mumbled. There is fear, discontent, and flailing. It is more like those who can’t swim and fear being in the center of the pool due to their lack of awareness, and foolhardiness when they find themselves suddenly in that situation. Yet, many don’t want to blame themselves for finding themselves in the center of the pool and can’t get back to the ladder without panic, and blaming others for their own situation. Romney blames other by firing them; Gingrich blames others for being lazy; Santorum blames others for not being Born Again; And, Paul blames others because they are not following the rule book found in the Mother Ship.
The media fails to define the lies, the fraud, the corruptness in the debates and positions until it is in their face. Romney is a predator; Gingrich is the new George Wallace; And, Santorum is a fail; Ron Paul is stuck in his lack of reality.
Obama is a very slow swimmer, splashing about trying to stay afloat, but nevertheless, approaching the edge of the pool.
The GOP will do what they do best if they gain full political control and that would be to destroy.
http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
Good read this week JHK. You’ve got a knack for picking up on provocative references that run around the brain for days after reading them.
I’ve been thinking too that at the political conventions this year we’ll probably see what a full fledged return of the #OWS movement looks like.
http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com
I hear you. One example I go back to is Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s description of her upbringing in tribal Somalia, where her mother made it clear to her that no one outside the family or clan was to be trusted, and that if anyone gets cheated it was their own fault. When this is the prevailing attitude, it takes real moral courage to improve matters — the courage to risk not only being cheated, but looking like a fool in the eyes of braying cynics who are looking for an opportunity to say “I told you so”. That kind of cynicism, I’m sorry to say, is widely in evidence in this comments section.
“…the way a large flock of starlings will all turn in the sky at the same instant without any apparent communication. We don’t know how they do that. It seems to be some kind of collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding.”
This isn’t true. Biologists, and programmers, well understand how flocking behavior in birds, schooling behavior in fish, or the behavior of pixels in an ‘artificial life’ simulation, are coordinated. An individual basically does what other individuals beside, above or below, them do. Group behavior can be influenced by the behavior of any given individual that reacts in a novel manner to a stimulus, the sight of a predator, for instance, or the need to avoid collision with a tree branch. To attribute such behavior to “collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding” is superstitious and silly. Please do your homework Jim.
Always good to see The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe get referenced
I love reading this blog, although it seems rather delusional in a Chicken Little kind of way.
Times are indeed a-changing, but despite our hope for the entire absurd system to come crashing down, the changes – the murmuration — appears to be toward an Evolution, not a Revolution.
Furthermore, it is an evolution forward, not backward to some agrarian and small-town paradise of yore.
Furthermore, as bad as things seem (and are) it ain’t nothing compared to some of the bad times in the past. I would expect those CFN readers age 60+ would remember the spectacular absurdity of Vietnam (50,000 Americans dead) occurred in their lifetimes. But let’s go back to the Tuskegee Experiment, the Japanese internment in WWII, the world-wide insanity of WWI, the Dred Scott decision. And on and on and on. Our government has NEVER been trustworthy, indeed, it might even be more trustworthy now, than at certain other times in relatively recent history. Consider this: Until the 1980’s many American citizens were forcibly sterilized – this was legal, and common practice for “wayward” girls and the mentally deficient. Let’s put things in perspective. Times are tough, but at least our government is not snipping off people’s genitals anymore.
Not when you make absurd assertions. Does what Assoka say matter? I say it does. You have many fellow travellers and in my experience the more looney tunes the idea the greater chance it gets traction.
On topic? I say immigration/migration/racial conflict are bang on topic. What James Howard Kunstler writes about is a multi-dimensional problem. The steady degradation of the energy situation, the economy, the financial system has got wider implications that just the size of the cars we drive, the state of our household balance sheets. These things set off movements of people sometimes backed by armies and sometimes not. And we’ve seen the results of cultural and ethnic and religious balkanization that comes out of invasion/migration/immigration – whatever term you want to use – and the failure of peoples of varying origins to inter-marry, to assimilate. Look at the Balkans, Northern Ireland, the Middle East to name a few. Really nasty stuff. Do you want nasty stuff Asoka?
Do you want to play with fire Asoka? Surely you do. Surely you must know the practical consequences of what you advocate. You put on the face of a starry eyed idealist – one world – one love. But you don’t fool us Asoka. We know that YOU know human nature. We know that YOU know the potentially disastrous consequences of what you push for. The question is why do you do it? It’s a perfectly legitimate question Asoka. What is your motivation?
As far as feminism/anti-feminism goes I have no strong opinions and have nothing to say on this. But you go right ahead.
I still find it hard to fathom how what some call “developing” nations (India, China, Brasil, Viet Nam, etc.) are going to participate in any kind of environmentally stable localism in the midst of their rapid embrace of all things “Western,” namely, consumerism and status-seeking based on the same. They will logically call us out as hypocrites if we try to convince them that “continued economic growth” is a model that some are seeing as untenable. And it’s not like this consumer-based aspirational psychology has not already taken firm hold, often in the most embarrassing ways (SUVs and Hummers in China).
We are being done in by the Seven Deadlies, often using technology to enhance our participation in those “sins.” There is now a “girl power” type singing group in China…If I were an investing type, I would invest in plastic surgery providers in that country.
rhino- goes something like this: asoka ~ soaka ~ soaker ~ hoser ~ hose…he pissed me off a little when he wouldn t answer my question about his precious mexicans, which he brought up, as i recall…anyway, glad you got a chuckle out of it; that was my main intent…and i guess we ll see how long the peace & quiet lasts…
…Should woild events shake out as I believe they well could, our next consideration might be what a couple here have posited: Does mankind, in all his ecology-destroying, nest-fouling delusions, deserve to be included in the life-web of the universe? Or, is He [in his present “modern” form] a stain and unclean aberration that requires cleansing by The Host [planet]?
I expect to see some critical evidence that might answer that soon-ish.
It matters not if you can comprehend the Universe, if you’re only aim is to conquer and pervert it for your own twisted ends. I believe this to be the parable/final-bedtime-story of gawd vs. da deb’bil, since it’s been observed from the first that the act of “conquering” destroys and tramples all in its’ path.
Only those of extremely limited imagination take these stories as literal. It’s time to deal with earthly consequences and the denouements of man-made predicaments.
I believe the genocide leveled against Native Americans was the largest bloodbath of the 19th Century followed by The American Civil War.
“However, the upheavals of 1848 occurred not long after the first practical installation of a telegraph line from Annapolis, Maryland, to Washington, DC (and then in Europe). It was also a time when the first railroad networks were linking up.”
Then, the parallel for our world is Social media, allowing ease communication and organization of protests.
This Hessian wishes to congratulate you on one of your best essays in memory.
We should all be prepared for vapor trails, bright flashes, and mushroom clouds sucking houses up like 400 mile per hour tumbleweeds in Teheran as the nuclear powered and armed USS Enterprise steams irrevocably towards the straights of Hormuz to square off against an inept third world coast guard crewed by apathetic conscripts who would rather be left alone not having grown up on a steady diet of war is fun entertainments starring the likes of John Wayne, the draft evader who avoided service in World War II because he already had five kids but whose film inventory has subsequently inspired several generations of young men with no imagination to go enlist to do the shit he didn’t have the stomach for. Later on when he did have more stomach it was due to inhaling dozens of donuts on a regular basis.
I guess we are using “trust” differently. To me, any relationship in which at least one of the parties regularly, directly, and effectively influences the life of the other is one of high trust. The trust may be forced rather than earned, or it may be subconscious, but the party being regularly influenced is offering neither active resistance nor passive disregard. As a result, the more centralised the structure of any given organisation, the higher its vertical trust horizon, I would argue.
Most communist political systems. then, would be quite high on the vertical trust dimension (with totalitarian systems being at the zenith – checks and balances are, after all, hallmarks of distrust), and quite low on the horizontal trust dimension (a tendency towards siege mentality, enemies/counterrevolutionaries everywhere, you’re either with us or against us mentality). In fact, in my eyes, when it comes to trust horizons, the main difference between state communism and corporate capitalism is the identity of the Very Powerful Entity trusted – in the former it is unaccountable government, and in the latter it is unaccountable corporations.
To go from clans to tribes is a huge step – as is going from Tribes to the Nation state. Our accomplishment was huge and we didn’t appreciate it and have pissed it all way through bringing in aliens to do our dirty work. They will never forgive us and they want their own Nation States. I suggest we give it to them and start anew. Otherwise things will just keep getting worse.
South Africa is interesting because not “all Blacks” benefited from the takeover, but mainly the Xhosa. The Zulus were left out in the cold. Could not a Zulu/Boer coalition possibly overthrow them and then agree to go their own separate ways? There is no there hope for the White Tribe there.
Speaking of history repeating (or rhyming), check out this report from the national conventions of 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzF0Wj4VJw
One suspects the cop presence will be even heavier this time. Or maybe O will just call out the army now that the USA is a battleground as defined by NDAA 2012.
Trust, you say?
I gots yer trust right here for ya…
(And I repost, because apparently it got “lost” in the news cycle; imagine that, if you will!)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-usa-holder-mortgage-idUSTRE80J0PH20120120
I guess it’s why we put persons of high trustworthiness in omnipotent positions of trust, eh?
Remember this is the CHIEF ARBITER of the Dept. of Justice we’re talking about here, not some pissant town manager.
Get the priorities straight and stop being distracted by paid shit-slingers.
Nice one, Jim. As fun as your rants are, it’s nice for the occasional bit of analysis and introduction of interesting ideas. My trust horizon has become quite small of late–rooted in this little community of mine where I’ve somehow found a home. It provides me quite a bit of local food, enough paid work to scrape by, and plenty of work-trade opportunities. In other words, it very much provides me a true local economy within which to function, which is precisely what I’m looking for.
It’s going to become smaller yet this year as I begin my 2012 plan of serious gardening, regularizing multiple homesteading activities, delving full bore into voluntary poverty, and writing about all of it. That strikes me as one of the better ways to respond to the coming (here already!) hard times, no matter what nonsense Krugman appears to be writing this week. We’ve got a poorer future ahead of us, so time to start figuring out how to live as well as possible in it.
Sorry, here’s a better link for DNC/RNC ’08: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQKV0ez1kA
Extra acerbic today! Paul Krugman is an idiot! Everyone is a crook! Trust no one! Yes, the sting is extra acidy today. So what to do? Ignore it, fight it, or simply give up? Everyone likes to blame the government. But blaming the government really doesn’t cut it because who is the government – the government is us. I know its hard to get the government to function (look at our do-nothing Congress) but if we want to improve things, get people back to work and have some hope for the future, we’re gonna need to work together. Hoarding canned food, bottled water, silver coins, guns and ammo will only make you a desirable target if the end ever comes. Here’s my suggestion – encourage a revolution in CHINA. That’s right, the Chinese are taking manufacturing jobs because their government is willing to make their citizens work for pennies a day. Reading about them is like reading a Charles Dickens novel – horrible working conditions, slave wages, death, sickness, hopelessness. The suicide rate according to a recent NYT article is huge. Workers throw themselves out high windows because they don’t have any hope.
Who is suppressing them? Who is taking away their dreams and hopes? The Chinese Communist government. Even the average worker deserves more than pennies a day especially when he’s working 12 hour days for weeks on end to manufacture fun distractions for rich westerners. If the Chinese workers get more money, their goods become more expensive and then the US manufacturers will become more competitive. Also we should raise tariffs on imports, increasing the tax rate on dividends and interest from 15% to 30% and put American off shore account holders in prison for tax avoidance; all that new revenue could go into the infrastructure repair and into manufacturing green energy products. All of which would beef up the economy. And please don’t tell me that Americans are too stupid to learn new jobs. How is it then that in WWII we converted auto factories into munitions factories in a matter of weeks? Are we innovators and go getters or just cheese doodle munchers?
A Chinese revolution will only happen when the Chinese get sick of being treated like slaves. But here, in America, we can insist that the rich pay more by electing politicians who have the same goal. Anytime somebody says the government is the problem, they are just admitting that they themselves are the problem. So you can sit around and be part of the problem or you can get up and do something about it and work on a solution.
I believe the genocide leveled against Native Americans was the largest bloodbath of the 19th Century
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Them Native Americans don’t count as human beings. They never did. Manifest destiny makes that perfectly clear. Just ask any imported blue-eyed devil dog or his master, the bloodthirsty Roman imperialist pederast Vatican/Jesuit lizard.
years ago, maybe mid-nineties, i saw the gov of alaska defend the decision to allow the hunting of wolves from aircraft thusly: “we can t just let mother nature run wild”…he said this on national television; and there was hardly a murmur (thnx jim, for our word of the day) from anyone…ever since, my philosophy re ‘hoomahns’- which is klingon for “ape with opposable thumbs”- has been, kill us all; to give the dolphins a chance…they are, after all, demonstrably smarter than we are (got any idea what THEY are saying?!)…
We faced the Army when we levitated the Pentagon. We had asked for a permit to levitate it 300 feet by chanting ancient Aramaic exorcism rites.
Now, with OWS and NDAA 2012, just do the same: stay nonviolent and put flowers in the barrels of their guns. Bongo drums help.
If the Army, which has sworn to defend, does anything violent to nonviolent OWSers, it violates its duty and loses its honor.
So, the “solution” to our troubles is to foment rebellion in China. Okay then.
Ummmm, go right ahead; get over there and git ‘er done, and best of luck to ya!
Before the Democratic and Republican conventions, there will be another event, one that almost seems designed to leave blood in the streets, or hundreds of thousands in military detention.
I speak of the upcoming NATO and G8 meetings to be held in Chicago this May.
WTF? Are they asking for trouble?
Since the Seattle protests of 1999, and the Genoa protests of 2001, our ruling overlords have preferred to plot in out-of-the-way places. Islands and mountains and Dubai.
But not this year. Oh, no.
They’re coming to Chicago, home of insurrection since the May Day protests of 1886 and the events of 1968.
Surely they realize that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of very pissed-off people will make their way to Chicago to make their voices heard by the 1%.
Or is that the plan?
I find this very, very suspicious.
“…give the dolphins a chance…they are, after all, demonstrably smarter than we are (got any idea what THEY are saying?!)…” -CFT
Charlie, I haven’t the foggiest clue! But it’s gotta be something like: “I wish these fuckers would leave us alone to play in their bow-wakes…” (when referring to humans, which they rarely do).
That was an actual quote on the actual teevee ’bout the wolves?!?
That’s the definition of obscene hubris. whew
We could learn a thing or two from this research but alas the attention span of Super Bowl advertisements and Vegas odds makers for the big game leaves me feeling that a positive solution is riding a dark horse. Consider it a long shot.
“They desparately want to shut down this avenue of information exchange and hotbed of independent ideas. ”
Dude, the take down of the Megaupload site was just a test, a warning shot. Notice how easy it was. No warning.
If things get really bad next year, you can bet other sites will go down without warning. Communications will be hobbled. They want noting but TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL COMMUNICATIONS.
Only what they want you to hear or read or see will be out there, anything else will be quietly silenced.
They can jam cell signals, so no organizing by text either.
Like I have mentioned often here, you really, and I mean you REALLY have no idea what living in the US Asylum for the Insane really is like until you have been out of it for awhile. The USA is being run by the most insane of the inmates of the Asylum. As long as you are immersed in it, you just really can’t understand. I’m glad I got out.
I mean, don’t you even get it? You have devolved from a nation of Citizens to a nation of consumers. That is all you are valued for by the PTB.
Wish you all the best.
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of course, given my druthers, we as earthlings could always pull back from the precipice of destruction and work together as a part of life as opposed to our perceived position as ruler of life on this planet…which will require a major reset in population and distribution, and a common goal…not that of survival of a few but “thrival” of all life
CHANGE WE SHOULD FEAR ! For sure this election cycles upcoming convention season will be a sight to behold. Complete with clowns and noise makers ! Grab the cheese doodles, some goobers & an RC cola, kick back and watch the show. With the NDAA 2012’s trashing of the Constitution and the Posse Commatatus Act my bet is that Charlotte could be the “Kent State Moment” that the communist’s in the occupy movement are wanting. Pissing in the 82nd Airborne’s backyard might just give them that moment. The score back in 1970 was Ohio ANG 4 – Kent St. 0. This time it might be a real combat ready force that see’s no dif between Kandahar, Narnia and Charlotte. Enemy combatants are just something to be neutralized with extreme predjudice ! Same same down in Florida. Might be some real body count and great helmet or gun cam footage. Maybe even Drone strikes. All on the nightly news just like the ‘Nam.
From what I see neither side has the balls to get a grip on things and do what is right for the Country. Basicly we’re fucked no matter who wins in November.
Party on Clusterfuckers !
They want noting but TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL COMMUNICATIONS.
Only what they want you to hear or read or see will be out there, anything else will be quietly silenced.
i respectfully disagree, there are tons of hackers/enthusiasts/techbrains out there that will find a way to encrypt communications/bypass censorship et al, to get the message out.
it’s human nature. good luck to them jamming millions of minds working on a way around their horrific censorship.
a major “may they rot & suffer” to all those who wish ill…..
the US is, to use the words of another commentarista today, a madhouse, see here for chilling confirmation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQME8mx4DMo
peace peaceniks
that last bit is only 99.99999% accurate…there are a few of us with the perspective of literature and history, and i personally was raised on a commune, which for all intents and purposes was apart from the madness…i refer to it as 3.1 square miles of absolute freedom…remember the inside-out house with the placard over the door reading “asylum”, from the hitchhiker’s guide…?
We’ve got a poorer future ahead of us, so time to start figuring out how to live as well as possible in it.
…speak for thyself, friend.
this is precisely the kick in the gut to get you started on how to maintain a comfortable standard of life without self-abnegation, WHILE using fewer resources, for example.
get them smarts working, theres lots of room for innovation.
here in brazil at our place we have solar-heated water, photovoltaic electricity, captured rainwater, and, to max out our computers, we use free Linux (Puppy Linux, which roxx) operating system so we don’t need to purchase everlarger boxes….
peace peaceniks
I find this very, very suspicious.
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Seems very thoughtful of them… to make it within commuting distance for you, Wage.
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That you, ozone. I think that you did post that before, because for some reason I already saw it.
That MERS corporation was what the article in Harpers was about. (That I referenced a couple of weeks ago)
It was set up, according to them, to make it much easier to divide up and sell mortgages, since the traditional way was that you had to physically go to the county courthouse, fill out paperwork and get the county clerk to stamp and file the papers.
How do you run up a multi-trillion dollar scam if you have to do all that gruntwork?
So, MERS was set up to, supposedly, make it all “legal”. At least, according to their lying claims.
I guess it helps make it “legal” if the top Justice officials are in on the scam, doesn’t it?
Anyway, talk about a trust deficit. Wait until someone pays off their mortgage and finds out that the bank they’ve been paying doesn’t actually hold their mortgage title.
We don’t have any reason anymore to trust the officials who are supposed to enforce the laws.
This country has descended into open lawlessness, and only the cluelessness of the vast majority of the American people keeps us from realizing it.
Yeah, I know. And most of the people I hang with are busily making plans to attend, while I sit there and say, “wait a minute. Is this a trap?”
They’re saying “Why is the US military using us to get blown up looking for mines?”
Mr Kunstler brings up Mr Krugman’s columns. So i read yesterday’s in the NY Times. And Mr Krugman said this in part:
But anyone who has looked seriously at how we got into this slump knows that private debt, especially household debt, was the real culprit: it was the explosion of household debt during the Bush years that set the stage for the crisis. – Paul Krugman NY Times – Jan 22, 2012
To say that this is a worthless sack of shit would be incorrect. Excrement has some worth. It comes from living beings, it’s part of the natural cycle, it can be used a fertilizer for crops.
So how do we describe a comment like this? Beats me. Words fail me.
I’m just an average fella, a child of working class folk that was lucky enough to have parents that encouraged me to go to university. But you know what? The most valuable lesson I learned was from my dad and not in those august halls of higher learning: people have agendas, they will bullshit you, manipulate you.
So the questions I would have for Mr Krugman are as follows and they are fairly obvious: who the fuck lent the money in the first place? Who the fuck invented liar loans, who the fuck invented subprime lending? (OK maybe it was organized crime). So why the fuck did Wall Street get in on the game, why the fuck did Wall Street start making loans on grotesquely inflated housing values to people that had no hope in hell of repaying? Why the fuck did Wall Street get into packaging and buying and selling worthless mortgage backed securites?
Yeah yeah yeah it was Joe Sixpack, it was all his fault, he should’ve known better. I could go on and on. The point is that private debt is one part of the equation but only one part and to absolve the fuckers on Wall Street of their major part in this leaves me breathless.
Economics is anything remotely like a respectable academic pursuit? I want to vomit.
Earth to DEE:
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I am so sorry for you… though this does explain all your “why” questions. You are looking for a hidden agenda, a motive, where there is none. Sad.
Rhino….Be it the NY/LA Times or WSJ the writers are paid…to lie!
They did the same thing with Clinton and Obama in 2008, elrond. First one won, then the other. Ooh, who will be the choice to be the ruling puppet?
It’s the only way to keep the interest of the masses.
What kind of a contest would it be if one person won them all?
Clearly, the ruling overlords prefer Obama and the voting machines will be programmed for his benefit in November, but they have to keep us occupied with busythought until then.
Hola, sir.
I don’t understand your quibble, or at least why you think Krugman is way off here. The statement he makes, that private debt was the primary cause of the financial crisis, is essentially correct, as far as I can tell. You then go on to discuss the enabling of and sources for this private debt, e.g. liar loans, etc., but I don’t see how that invalidates his statement. He singles out household debt in particular, but that doesn’t mean he’d say banks didn’t play a part, as well. I’d probably make the case that the derivatives markets played the primary role in magnifying the losses into cascading chains of failing loans, which then triggered debt obligations.
“So why the fuck did Wall Street get in on the game, why the fuck did Wall Street start making loans on grotesquely inflated housing values to people that had no hope in hell of repaying? Why the fuck did Wall Street get into packaging and buying and selling worthless mortgage backed securites?”
There’s a pretty simple answer for this. They ran out of legitimate mortgages to spin off, so then they decided to create more.
Good book. She is passionate and preaches to her countrymen that the Dutch way is higher. But despite this, and amazingly enough, in the final analysis she’s anti-Western: even though it’s not working, she refuses to admit the necessity of curbing immigration. Her heart is still with her own people. She is not Dutch and she is not Western.
So ultimately assimilation didn’t work with her despite her brains and idealism. It takes generations and we don’t have that kind of time. The second generations are now more radical than the originals – both here in America with the Mexicans and over there with the Muslims. Why? Because the West is weak and didn’t demand that they assimilate for one thing and secondly that would mean giving up Islam – not very likely for the first generation. There was just no place to start with them – unlike the Christian immigrants of Europe to America.
Sure, we would have had the time if the immigration had remained small. But it was massive and then producing a huge 2nd generation of radicalized youth – who want plush jobs, mercedes benzes, and blonde girlfriends or they’ll blow the whole thing to Muslim hell.
Well, welles, Brasil also has one of the largest discrepencies between rich and poor, and judging from them being #1 in all forms of vanity plastic surgery, they are not always the best culture to emulate. I also went to a rather busy Walmart outside of Sao Paulo (Alphaville)and was amazed at how amenable the people were to that business model.
That said, I DO think those little in-line water heaters they use make a lot of sense.
“Be it the NY/LA Times or WSJ the writers are paid…to lie!”
I’m not so sure that it is telling bald-faced lies as it is lying by ommission. Papers generally try to get their facts straight, for various reasons. Point me to an article from a recent NYT, LA Times, or WSJ that contains some obvious “lies”, and perhaps I’ll change my tune. The editorial pages are perhaps another matter, but that’s clearly marked as some writer’s opinion.
And, BTW, passing on fraudulent or inaccurate press releases or government reports doesn’t really count, in my book. In that case, they’re merely reporting that entity X said Y, without necessarily verifying the information.
JHK,
Thank you for this insightful essay. This is the most important writing I’ve seen on this sight in the past year. I’ve printed it out and saved it in my journal.
SJmom
You are looking for a hidden agenda, a motive, where there is none. – Asoka
Who says there isn’t? YOU? LMAO!
Big questions for YOU Asoka that I asked earlier.
I’ll repeat them:
“what about the interests of Ameridians whose ancestors had been living in the southwestern part of what we now call the USA for 10,000+ years and who are not remotely what you call “Mexican”? Why do the interests of Hispanic or Spanish speakers from south of the Rio Grande take precedence?”
“Do you want nasty stuff Asoka? Do you want to play with fire Asoka?”
“We know that YOU know the potentially disastrous consequences of what you push for. The question is why do you do it? It’s a perfectly legitimate question Asoka. What is your motivation?”
What’s YOUR agenda Asoka? Do tell.
Yes we should have taken the country back with a universal strike when the 82nd turned their bayonets on the American People in Little Rock. And all Whites should have taken their children out of the schools.
J-lee said “He points out quite rightly that the economy and the state of the union would be in a much worse state if there had not been at least some public spending to offset the reduction in private spending.”
I agree as well, Krugman is no idiot. He is an economist but has not pulled punches, nor does he seem to serve the status quo. He calls it like he sees it.
In Krugman’s future, the economy exists. But what do you expect, he’s an economist, and JHK is a doomer. In JHK’s future, the economy is like Humpty dumpty, shattered into a thousand fragments. Perhaps modern economist theory only works when you have the efficiency of large economies.
Krugman is an academic, a thinker, a noble prize whiner. He is also horrifically ugly. None of these attributes matter. What matters is that no one listens to him. He will still have his Noble Prize, his column, and his rumpled tweed suits and tenure, even through a repeat of the Great Depression. That makes him an optimist. He is doing us all a great favor by tracking the crazy shit going down in the spreadsheets of the world.
Krugman doesn’t go home and oil the handle shafts of his woodworking tools- he takes his overcoat to the dry cleaner and eats hot dogs while staring at the comings and goings of the suited bunch who magically produce the numbers he analyses. You have to have a special sensitivity to read and dispense the proper economic augury to keep America’s hopes up. You also have to kind of, sort of BE one of them, the people who stalk the marble and glass canyons. You have to have a peer group with intimidating IQs but be casual enough to eye the cleaning lady’s butt when she bends over.
Krugman is a certain kind of human being I’ve always found to be rather reliable. He has never been a cheerleader, never a sunny optimist, or spewed pablum. You look at him and get immediately that he did not get where he is by affirmative action. He is nerd to the core.
So I dunno. I hope the best for ol’ Krugs. I also trust that future columns will allow us to see more sides of him, and more opinions on more things that unfold that are integral to the field of economics- which touches everything.
This is exactly why K-dog is running for president.
A Massive Write in Vote followed by a General Strike and the Chief Justice Swears Me In and I fix things.
Easy as pie.
His is the logic of the La Raza (the Race) movement. Simply put: they consider themselves Aztecs. Now they have vague legends of coming down from the North and conquering the Civilization that was already there in the Mexican Valley. And Anthropolgists have found linguistic and ethnic similarities to one or two of the Southwestern Tribes – the Utes for one. But culturally not really – different religion, way of life, etc. So that’s it. That entitles them to not only the Southwest, but the whole Continent in their book.
In other words, the weaker we have shown ourselves, the more outrageous their claims have become. They used to just want to take the Southwest, then it was all of America except “the 13 colonies”. Now they are telling us to go back to Europe. Needless to say, many of the Southwest Indians are freaked out since their treaties are with us not with the Mexicans.
Thank you for not rising to his bait, asoka.
Clearly, he’s itching for a fight, but both his points, and yours, have already been made. He’s just looking for a reason to hurl insults.
Paul Revere: “The redcoats are coming”.
Vlad Kranz: “The 82nd Airborne is coming”.
So you’re cheering on the massacre of American citizens? By an armed force sworn to defend the Constitution, which document guarantees the right to assemble and petition for redress of grievances? Because you personally disagree with their politics?
That’s pretty chilling.
It would be hilarious, 200 years hence and we claw our way back to something like stability, to find this conversation archived somewhere. Think about it. We quibble over the GOP nomination process, the threat of Obama’s “Socialism,” even Vlad’s coo-coo theory of Atzlan rising.
Meanwhile, the hairballs running Iran get ready to shut down Hormuz and blow up the Saudi chokepoints.
World Made By Hand in six months, if that happens. Okay, Mad Max for six years, followed by World Made By Hand.
And to think that Americans used to be able to lead in a troubled world. We’ve become a parody of a once-great people.
“a noble prize whiner”
Haha. A telling Freudian slip?
I don’t understand your quibble – Turkle
I’ll explain it: He neglects to lay out Wall Street’s part in this. You know the lies, the bullshit, the fraud, the rating agencies…there’s so much it’s really hard to know where to start. Or just the colossal failure of common sense as the book of the same name put it.
I’ll repeat what I said in my post: “Yeah yeah yeah it was Joe Sixpack, it was all his fault, he should’ve known better. I could go on and on. The point is that private debt is one part of the equation but only one part and to absolve the fuckers on Wall Street of their major part in this leaves me breathless.”
“There’s a pretty simple answer for this. They ran out of legitimate mortgages to spin off, so then they decided to create more.” – Turkle
Why shit, I should’ve thought of this. So it was all just a big misunderstanding, Wall Street is innocent, they just do what they do like mindless automatons…
George Carlin did some hilariously funny pieces. They’re on youtube. One is called advertising and bullshit. Have a look. Talks a lot about bullshit. Which is what the economics profession is.
Chris Hedges:
“Turn off your televisions. Ignore the Newt-Mitt-Rick-Barack reality show. It is as relevant to your life as the gossip on ‘Jersey Shore.’ The real debate, the debate raised by the Occupy movement about inequality, corporate malfeasance, the destruction of the ecosystem, and the security and surveillance state, is the only debate that matters. You won’t hear it on the corporate-owned… airwaves and cable networks, including MSNBC, which has become to the Democratic Party what Fox News is to the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party. You won’t hear it on NPR or PBS. You won’t read about it in our major newspapers. The issues that matter are being debated, however, on ‘Democracy Now!,’ Link TV, The Real News, Occupy websites and Revolution Truth. They are being raised by journalists such as Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi. You can find genuine ideas in corners of the Internet or in books by political philosophers such as Sheldon Wolin. But you have to go looking for them.”
“Wall Street is innocent”
Uh, I don’t know how you possibly could have gotten this out of what I wrote. *shrugs*
He’s just looking for a reason to hurl insults. – WL
I just want some answers. Asoka looks to toss gasoline bombs with his comments on race and ethnicity and nationhood. So let’s have at it. If he can stake out positions on incendiary issues (like La Reconquista and what he calls simple justice, karma) then he can defend these positions. Sorry, he can’t play the wounded innocent at this point. Does not work with me.
asoka plays at a lot of things: provacateur, clown, wounded innocent, etc.
Uh, I don’t know how you possibly could have gotten this out of what I wrote. *shrugs* – Turkle
I got it from your answer which was: “There’s a pretty simple answer for this.”
Simple? No it was more than just “simple”. This was a massively destructive criminal enterprise. There’s no “simple” about it and there’s no sugar coating Wall Street’s role.
Wage,
Your point is well taken. Let me add Greg Palast to the list of important contributors of this moment in the real world, not the matrix.
two Topics of his is the Vulture’s picnic. Which billionaires want to run the White house and who they want to use as their front (Pres).
Also very important is the software that’s supposed to warn of leakage in the Keystone pipeline is deliberately broken. see:
The Pig in the XL Pipeline
http://www.gregpalast.com/the-pig-in-the-xl-pipelineinsider-reveals-concealed-%e2%80%9cerror%e2%80%9din-pipeline-safety-equipment-that-could-blow-away-the-gop%e2%80%99s-xl-pipe-dream/
@ andrei_timoshenko,
I had similar thoughts on those two dimensions. Summarized in a word: Internet.
I recently got my hands of a copy of “The City in Mind” brilliant. but I must beg to differ with James re his thinking on “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” in as how it applies to the Aztec kingdom. Jaynes’ book was seminal for me when I first read it in the 70s? Because I was longing for an answer for our past human idiocies, an answer that would lead me to have faith and hope in the future. Alas, there was no “breakdown” the mind is the mind; people were pretty much exactly like they are now. As I listened recently with growing horror, to a mother speak of her son in Afghanistan, in a bland Cristian acceptance of his sacrifice, I realized that with the help of religion, you can get people to do anything. No need to explain past atrocities’ manifestations with mind-set.
Love your work. So free of ignorance and cant.
Keep hope.
Live as if.
Die brave.
Well you know the old saying, the fastest way to get treated like a punching bag is to act like one.
wage- i m reading the archives at fredoneverything, and he points out something i already knew, but hadn t made the connection…we have the Department of Homeland Security now right? well KGB means something like the office of state security…not likely to make me feel any better about what s going on lately, fer sure!
How does calling it ‘simple’ remove any blame from Wall Street? I don’t get it, and this wasn’t my intention. I merely meant that from one goal, i.e. creating more loans, many other things followe.d
I’ll concede the point though. What ended up happening wasn’t actually all that simple.
That’s fine except that there’s nothing clownish about what he’s advocating. And he’s been called a racist. Nothing clownish about racism either. I asked him if he was a racist because of his comments about Iranians and Americans. He said he wasn’t. So maybe he isn’t. Maybe given that America and Iran are multi-racial countries his comments didn’t cross the line. But when he accuses Americans of being ignorant barbarians he’s crossing the line into bigotry. Nothing clownish about that either. Are you American Turk? Are you an ignorant barbarian?
You got that right, Turkle!
Asoka is a regular homo ludens
(published in 1950; tip of the hat to Johan Huizinga).
Asoka is playing all the time. It’s a wonder anyone takes him seriously. I know for a fact he does not take himself seriously.
This week Asoka has decided not to respond to anyone who wants to wallow in race, immigration, and anti-feminism…
Perhaps Asoka is hoping for murmuration. 🙂
You just watch… humans are not starlings.
“How does calling it ‘simple’ remove any blame from Wall Street? I don’t get it, and this wasn’t my intention.” – T
OK then mea culpa. I read too much into your comment.
i would submit that one big reason for the pile-on is that many people have their money invested in corporations via the stock market, and in hedge funds, so they will not see the evil results of rapine consumption, and the cdo boondoggle; because they feel like part of the system rather than victim…if people weren t profiting from wal-mart, then they would see it as profiting from slave labor…same for anyone with stock in exxon or bp…it boils down to that people don t want to admit to themselves that THEY are part of the problem; it s those scapegoats over THERE…
But when he accuses Americans of being ignorant barbarians he’s crossing the line into bigotry.
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What Asoka said is that Americans who think it’s OK to turn Iran into an irradiated parking lot are ignorant barbarians. Asoka stands by that comment.
Turkle does advocate nuclear annihilation of Iran and the beautiful Iranian people. Ipso facto, Turkle is not an ignorant barbarian.
Your explanation is full of shit. You don’t fuck around with issues of race and La Reconquista and then say aw shucks I was only kidding.
If you’re not serious, if all you want to do is ignite fury, then take my advice on issues of race: Shut the fuck up. Nothing funny about it.
So what about answering my questions given that you so wish for la reconquista. What about the interests of Amerindians living in the US southwest whose ancestors got there 10,000+ years ago? Why do the interests of Spanish speakers from south of the Rio Grande take precedence?
We’re waiting…
Vlad –
This phoney “Mika” character of yours is pathetic.
HC
Good question, Rhino.
What Asoka is really advocating is the replacement of one imperialist political structure with another. As though the Spanish imperialists are any better than Yankee imperialists, the Jihadi imperialists, etc.
Dines reference to murmuration as an example of mass mind psychology is interesting but I see it more as a highly evolved biological manuever than an aspect of psychology. Herd or flock behavior is instinctual as the DNA has learned that there is safety in numbers. Humans seem more subject to mass psychosis or panic, eg the tulip bubble or the real estate crash.
New paradigms do arise when there is sufficient opinion change to get the ball rolling. The early adopters legitimize the switch then encourage the followers to follow. This has happened in the Middle East and with OWS here in America. Sweeping changes may follow, but not necessarily the appropriate ones – the Muslim Brotherhood and Herr Gingrich, for example.
Meet the New Boss – worse than the Old Boss.
Something like this?
“What will happen when millions of people are forced to admit that fundamental beliefs which form the foundation for those people’s vision of themselves and their world are shown to be lies? And what happens to the millions of American who are currently taking medication for psychological conditions, if the “system” collapses and they are suddenly deprived of their “meds”?”
http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/being-so-wrong-for-so-long/#comment-10218
might i suggest a nickname comprised of a combination from dee: “flad” and mika- flicka
I wonder what the members of R.E.M. would think about the word ‘murmuration’? I hope they hear of it somewhere.
‘Being of German descent with family in Hamburg I know Germans are sick of bailing out Europe just as we would be, keeping Mexico and the rest of Latin America solvent.’
Except, GAZ, post WWII at least, Germany had no equivalent to the School of the Americas, or a flourishing policy of setting up the vilest fascist dictators in the other countries of Europe, in order to plunder their resources.
Wake up to the reality of the history of the US and Latin America. That’s like the most cynical of the worldly-wise, the Wall Street megafraudsters, blaming their needy victims, the least worldly-wise people, for the ‘sub prime’ crisis.
Well, worse actually, since torrents of blood of the poor have been shed throughout Latin America – still is being, as well that of priests, nuns, catechists, et al. I’d never heard of people being tortured in front of their family, before. What awesome refinements Pinochet brought to the history of torture.
Cults always fall to the question, and they fall quickly once the right questions are asked. Can you name any of the “liberal” posters here who could withstand being questioned about their “beliefs?”
Anyway I think Gingrich stumbled onto something that is destroying the white guilt syndrome cult’s voodoo, and even if he is not fully cognizant of what he is doing I don’t think the control word “racist” is going to stop him.
How funny that you accuse Liberals of belonging to some kind of cult and then namedrop Gingrich like a good little dittohead. Just a tad ironic?
ccm989, your right-wing voting machines are private and have minds of their own. They don’t take any **** from would-be progressives.
Apparently, the term “liberal” has come to mean anyone who disagrees with something a self-styled conservative has to say about, well, pretty much anything. Witness how anyone who questions Vlad’s pronouncements immediately becomes part of the Vast Liberal Communist Conspiracy. Typical of his crowd, really. They take their queues from Limbaugh and Hannity and all the other network gorillas, even if they claim to be independent thinkers. The tactics are exactly the same.
And it is kind of an overly broad brush, doncha think? I mean, people who call themselves conservatives say some remarkably stupid and uninformed things (hey just watch the Republican presidential debates where they’re falling over each other to be the first to say they don’t believe in evolution), being as a large chunk of them base their politics on a fruitcake, outdated (is there any other kind?) religion that involves eating Jesus and has absolutely no basis in reality.
Can’t we just point out this self-evident insanity without someone accusing us of belonging to a counter-cult? Cuz I don’t think of myself as a liberal, just a bemused, jaded observer of the circus. How about you call me a circus goer instead? But it fits for the Jesus freaks. They’re definitely part of a weird cult. But I never drank no Kool Aid.
Oh, well, continue with the inane blathering about Liberals and Commies if it makes you feel better. No skin off my back, really.
Our host here seems to have the patience of Job, and I don’t mean Brother Job from the Witch of Hebron either.
If Gingrich attacks the white guilt syndrome then he is useful. But for the most part his career except for being useful to rich whites he is as anti-White as they come. Paul Kersey has that down pat in his latest blog essays.
If the white guilt syndrome collapses as I think it will then I believe this murmuration has wings.
IMO being an anti-White is not a good career path, just sayin.
I want you liberals to just shout your head off using the control word “racist” day after day nothing but calling people who dissent from your cult’s worldview “racist”, can you do that for me?
Liberal is someone who falsely believes themselves morally superior. Of course they are not, simply questioning them drives them nuts, its why we have PC to shield them from harsh reality. Even Maher realizes that the dwindling numbers of stupid white gentile leftists are brainwashed, or as the jewish lefties call it “goyimkopf” yiddish for gentile headed childlike thinkers.
Now myself I am a progressive, I fully believe with effort that mankind can improve itself and its condition, but what I am not is some lunatic who believes that by wiping out white countries and white countries only mankind will be improved.
“Liberal is someone who falsely believes themselves morally superior.”
Are you kidding me? This is EXACTLY how the Bible-thumping, Conservatives act, almost to a tee. Is it Irony Day today, or what?
DeeJones
Yes the PTB took out Megaupload, but that was followed by some pretty aggressive tactics by Anonymous. They took down Dept of Justice, FBI,
US copyright office, and many other websites pretty sharpish. Of course hackers can and will fight back. Next time they may destroy those websites instead of just blocking access for awhile. The PTB will of course get meaner too. That’s internet war, I just hope it doesn’t lead to catastrophic events like crippled nuke plants, or chemical plants that explode( think Bhopal India). In any case the battle has been joined, so plan accordingly.
To all the commenters here who insist on rehashing all the old divisive arguments about race, party affiliation, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum. Knock it off, it’s boring. Try to get your mind around the fact that alot of these divisions have been deliberately created and fostered by the PTB. Divide and conquer, a policy that has served them well for centuries.
A new paradigm is in the beginning stages of development. Do your bit to help this paradigm come into being, even if it means just not keeping the old divisions alive and well.
loveday
“what I am not is some lunatic who believes that by wiping out white countries and white countries only mankind will be improved”
I don’t know where you get this lame-brained idea that most self-identifying liberals believe in this. Clearly, it is a figment of your imagination, or at least some line you heard from a conservative commentator that you took to heart. If you talk or converse with actual Liberals, you’d realize that most of them do not believe it.
“i respectfully disagree, there are tons of hackers/enthusiasts/techbrains out there that will find a way to encrypt communications/bypass censorship et al, to get the message out. ”
Well, I wish them the best, but the Feds have quietly been implementing various lockdown and control mechanisms on the internet over the past few years.
You think only Anon & other hackers are capable of DDOS attacks, or running & controlling botnets?
The US military has a huge cyberwarfare section, and guess what, its not all targeted at China or Russia.
If things get crappy at the conventions next year, you can bet only the government approved stories & video will make the news & the net.
Those with differing views will find it very hard to get them out, or their options limited.
But to hell with it all, I don’t live there anymore. I sure as hell ain’t voting.
😉
“and i personally was raised on a commune, which for all intents and purposes was apart from the madness…i refer to it as 3.1 square miles of absolute freedom…remember the inside-out house with the placard over the door reading “asylum”, from the hitchhiker’s guide…?”
Glad to hear you have or had some form of asylum from the Big Asylum. Sorta like hiding in the storeroom. But not everyone does.
For most americans, its all about being obedient little consumadroids.
And unless the the Vogons show up to put in that hyperspace bypass, well, things are’t looking too good for old Planet Earth anyway.
😉
“…but that was followed by some pretty aggressive tactics by Anonymous. They took down Dept of Justice, FBI, US copyright office, and many other websites pretty sharpish.”
Um, so they defaced or blocked access to some government websites. Big deal. You don’t think the government can’t institute a huge slowdown of the net if they want?. All it takes is an order to the Telecoms. Kinda hard to hack a government web page if you have NO or ‘dialup’ speed internet access.
People have gotten so used to DSL speed access that they will be helpless if they only have 56k speed available. Can you imagine waiting 10 minutes for THIS page to START loading?
But I wish the best to Anon & all the hackers out there. The are on the forefront of the fight in the ‘net era. Get your backup access points lines up now! Remember the Pringles Can-tenna? You may need it….
😉
He’s a Jew just like yoo. And therefore you will never criticize him or his ideas. Never.
Vlad,
Must you go on continually about race? Your posts are like a train that runs thru the CFN blog on an hourly basis. After a few weeks of tuning in to CFN, the folks in the neighborhood simply tune your white-supremist messages out.
Please try to calm down a bit.
SJmom
Nothing is completely real, socially and therefore personally, until it is spoken out in public. Gingrich is calling the media out on sliminess and liberal bias. The crowd loves it – a validation of what they all believed but couldn’t ever hear in the mass media forum.
Journalists have to be seen for the hucksters and hacks that they are. Why didn’t one the Republicans do this years ago?
The best case scenario is registered Republicans fight a civil war against registered Democrats. Kill each other off sort of thing. Civil war type bloodbath is warranted.
Would be easy to revolutionize the remnants.
Very interesting week’s work, JHK, and a particularly interesting application of the word, “murmuration.”
Definitions
1. “the utterance of low continuous sounds or complaining noises”
2. “flock of starlings” -webster online-
And the question proposed by Mr. Dines is whether human thought and murmuration can turn the course of human history on a dime – much as this amazing murmuration of starlings in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eakKfY5aHmY&feature=related
Is human history about to change as radically as it did in 1848 through 1864 – and if it does, how many of us will survive the changes? Change is not always for the better, you know?
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“”mumuration” that precipitated the biggest bloodbath of the civilized world in the 19th century: the American Civil War. The Revolution of 1848 expressed itself most horrifically in the place that thought itself most specially insulated from its effects.” -jhk-
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The jury is still out on the question, above.
And thanks for giving us some totally new vocabulary for the week’s discussion, James.
Vlad, I hate to break it to you, but with a whole network devoted to singing the praises of so-called conservative politics, and it being the most watched news network here in America, the term liberal media should officially be consigned to the trash can. You’re behind in your thinking (again).
You still haven’t understood – it’s an important part of reality. If you don’t deal with it, it will deal with you. You’re projecting your own deracinated homogenous white bread approach to life onto Non Whites – and it’s just not true.
They don’t want to get along with us, they want to be us and/or to have what we have. Our job is to stop them. Get on the train or get run over.
Yawn.
SJmom
“…. I am not going to respond to anyone posting on immigration or race or anti-feminism this week.”
-asoka-
This is going to make for a very quiet week for you isn’t it, a..?
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Fortunately, we have Ixnomore waiting in the wings from last week, ready, willing, and able to derail logical discussion of United States population growth* – with loud and distracting charges of “RACIST!”
Ix uses a familiar tactic, that grows tiresome.
*to go with this week’s metaphor, US population growth may be taking our whole murmuration of human starlings – flying directly into the side of a huge death mountain.
Vlad,
It was the 101st Airborne that was sent to Little Rock, Selma and later to Detroit. Fort Campbell was closer then Fort Bragg. Charlotte is just down the road apiece from Fort Bragg. Chicago in May might be anyones guess. Maybe Canadian’s with robins egg bleu helmets.
I personally feel that something bad is in the wind for legislation like what has just passed to even be thought of. What sucks is that there was hardly any debate on the key part allowing the use of active military to police America. The attempt to take down or censor the internet is very Orwellian indeed ! Wasn’t it The Who that had a line in a song about the “thought police are in my head” ?
Stay Frosty and under the radar
I do think that out of necessity, we are trying to find the local over the far from local. I for one will use the pharmacy that is owned by a pharmacist and he actually knows my family and I, by name. I shop nearby for all necessities. Even Pathmark. I know all the cashiers, and they will sometimes tell me about discounts that I might have missed. I don’t want to go to Manhatten to have my hair done, when I can go nearby and get to know everyone. I been going there for about 10 years. Anyway, I don’t see the connection yet to politics. For instance, NOT ONE candidate, on either side has anything to offer of any value. All of it is LIES> Just look at the leader OBAMA. CHANGE? What was he talking about? He is a racehorse for Wall Street, and he wants to take from the rich? What? All lies from the beginning. Of course, the country fell for it. What a mistake. However, the other party, had someone who was deformed inside and out. His running mate became a laughting stock, as did Obama’s VP. So what do we have to look forward to? LIES, LIES, LIES, DEATH, TAXES AND MORE LIES. If we stopped paying our income taxes then we would see if they started listening to us.
Liberal is someone who falsely believes themselves morally superior.
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And what are you, a moral degenerate? Maybe you are. Talk about a goyishe kop, you are the very definition. Knucklehead! Tell us more about how Soros and AIPAC are going to sink the vatican nazi american empire and why that is a bad thing.
Btw, what come first, VLAD or NEWWORLD? I realize it’s a chicken/egg conundrum, but maybe we’ll finally be able to put an end to that mystery.
Hey, Procon. It depends. It will be a quiet week if people only want to post about immigration, race, and anti-feminism.
But I’m willing to engage on a whole host of other issues, as I did last week on Peak Oil, the world’s largest movement, 350.org, alternative energies, simple living, etc.
I’m just done with immigrant bashers and racists and misogynists this week.
Wage, I’m not cheering at all ! I find it beyond chilling that the present government even thinks this kind of power is remotely justified. The employment of combat troops to me is unreasonable,un-necessary and unacceptable ! However there are those in power who obviously feel it’s necessary.
The people behind the Occupy movement are at best communist revolutionaries. Bill Ayers and Bernette Dorhn and their followers still want to bring down America and establish a totalitrian socialist state. They have the CP-USA, DSA and the backing of various Soros funded foundations. There is more then enough seed money to stir up some real shit.
I never would support the use of any means outside of the electoral process to bring about any kind of change. Violence is never the 1st choice for solving any problem.
Quick note to E. from last night.
E. thanks for your responses. We agree. Yes these people use Christianity to hide behind hoping we won’t catch on that just as capitalism is for the little people, while socialism is for the elite, so is religion. Our elite prove over and over again that they are the opposite of Christian.
I don’t know Wage, city-planners don’t typically look much further than the promise of a big sales tax bonanza. And Chicago sure could use the money: Yes they can!
As far as security goes, what’s the use of being the ‘City of Broad Shoulders’ if cracking a few heads gets in the way of making money. This is all about business, and nothing else, IMO.
And speaking of business, how about India buying Iranian oil with gold instead of dollars. Moreover, according to Debka ( is this website believable?)China and Russia are waiting in the wings to do the same thing:
http://www.debka.com/article/21673/
I couldn’t tell you whether the website is believable/credible, but the concept of gold being a tangible item to trade oil for certainly is!
(This is what Pepe Escobar was on about last week, BTW; it’s all about the hegemony of the US $. It’s a pretty good con, denominating black gold in unbacked Benjamins, and you can certainly see why some would want it to continue [even to the point of starting a big, hot war over it]. THAT you can believe. ;o)
Fox news was a smash success because it seemed to offer an alternative to the MSM, which obviously has a huge Left Wing bias. But they don’t challenge alot of the fundamentals of the sytem. They said nothing about the NDAA for example – so they suck too. I admit I get a personal kick out of their attacks against the Liberals, but at the same time I realize that they’re playing with me and millions of other Conservatives. I mean Sarah Palin was supposed to be Tea Party and she now supports Gingrich and not Ron Paul? Real Conservatives are relatively few in number and Fox intends to keep it that way.
You don’t like my fanaticism? Why did you people create it with your contempt, disdain, and decades of ignoring the issues we brought up? Of course we can’t talk about anything except immigration and race – you people made sure these issues were ignored for decades or only seen in a circumscribed Liberal way with Blacks, Browns, and immigrants as victims and a therefore a priori innocents. And therefore Whites as Evil oppressors. You should be ashamed of yourself.
“We don’t have any reason anymore to trust the officials who are supposed to enforce the laws.
This country has descended into open lawlessness, and only the cluelessness of the vast majority of the American people keeps us from realizing it.”
-Wage
Yep, witness what the professional diversionistas have applied their dogmatic, Orwellian newspeak crowbars to… yet again! (And people think I’m paranoid without reason. Ha.)
The item that Buck just referred to is about [at its’ very roots] TRUST. Con jobs and confidence men are about the illusion of TRUST.
I basically don’t TRUST anyone who appears incapable of staying with the subject matter at hand. It gives the impression of trying to steer discussion away from unsanctioned/taboo areas, especially those referencing TRUST. Take fr’instance RACE, it has a seemingly radical, controversial sheen that invites lively argument, but beneath it all, it’s a tired screed about, “I don’t want THEM gittin’ what I got”, or, “I wanna git what THEY got”. As you have said before, it’s tired cant to divert us from identifying real tyranny and a gluttonous evil (small e) that stalks us all.
Three ways of doing business in this world? (Your basic “exchange of goods and services”.)
Fraud
Theft
Fair Dealing (satisfaction of both parties)
Societies are created by TRUST, and are destroyed by the lack of it. Agent provocateurs are the worst sort of traitors to their people; it’s their JOB to destroy trust. I spit on the cammy-jammy clad keyboard peckers whose bread and butter is made by the purposeful sowing of distrust. They are a disease.
Yes there was a very quiet if not quite secret agreement made a few years ago: Canadian and American forces will back each other up in the case of civil unrest. It is more likely to be the Candadians since we have more unrest and more of our troops “doing good” all over the world. All part of the plan to create a North American Union.
“Even the people in Switzerland went batshit.”
God, that made me laugh
Yes Soak. When are women going to start washing diapers again instead of using throw away Pampers and the like? These women are too pampered – it must not go on – it cannot.
Let’s make a deal Vlad. If you can limit yourself to one racist post a week, I promise to consider your arguments with an open mind.
SJmom
Exactly. How can we trust Liberals when they started screaming about White racists the second Gabby Giffords hit the pavement? Or when the Liberal Professors at Duke University tried to railroad three White Guys into jail – heartily helped by the local D.A up for election in a majority Blacks area? No apology has ever been forthcoming from these spiritual vampires. We are waiting and will continue to wait.
And you pretending to have the moral high ground! You never are willing to talk about race except to condemn Whites. You are the problem.
Ah duplicity thy name is Woman. If I accepted such a bogus thing I would be short changing everyone – especially you. It would be an admission that I was in the wrong instead of you. You shouldn’t have to bribed to have an open mind, SJ.
I reiterate: a disease.
“If you talk or converse with actual Liberals, you’d realize that most of them do not believe it.”
“I don’t think of myself as a [ actual ] liberal, just a bemused, jaded observer of the circus. How about you call me a circus goer instead?”
How many rings do you believe there are in your circus?
The “murmuration” concept is useful and possibly quite apt to current predicaments, but not because the revolutions of 1848 (notable historically for their FAILURE, by the way) are about to be reenacted or even “rhymed” to. 1848 marked the unleashing of a cornucopia of major radical intellectual agitation and analysis: the revolters were excited and eager about new liberalisms, nationalisms, socialism, etc. 1848 was not about being unemployed and having fun camping out in protest. European societies then were on the verge of one of the greatest and most sustained economic booms ever. They were not headed towards stagnation or collapse. Wrenching change: yes. Downsizing into the foreseeable future, no. People who had had modest means and limited rights for centuries began seriously envisaging the real possibility of major improvements in their intellectual and economic lives. Very different than today.
The problem with complaining about “liberals” is that everyone else is an asshole as well. So why not complain about everyone, and how opponents are typically two sides of the same coin? Then of course there’s race: wouldn’t you, again, be one of the assholes if you’d been born into one of the races you find so annoying? Or perhaps you allow for the existence of good members of races you imagine to be inferior kind of like crackers who say “course there’s good niggers [pardon the term Mr. Asoka, please]”, but you can’t trust ’em when they’re in a crowd.
On the other hand I’m not going to take you to task on obvious signs that things are headed downhill and likely to turn out nastily. Because in the end we’re probably not going to all be getting along, unless of course there is to be some sort of new Pax Brittanica or what have you, something based upon some new form of power which cannot be resisted by those without it, perhaps a gift of alien technology to some paranoiac’s notion of the anti-Christ, perhaps the UN, who knows?
I’m not totally sold on JHK’s notions that everything is going to end up being local and fragmented. Even if most people end up being provincialized and isolated that doesn’t rule out some overarching scheme of global control.
I’m now traveling in Cambodia for the Chinese New Year holiday, and I’ve got some disturbing news to report. I re-visited the Tuol Sleng torture prison again in Phnom Phen. I have visited the museum 3 times in the last 15 years. As you may remember, the Khmer Rouge tortured about 17,000 people at Tuol Sleng (also called S-21 after the Khmer Rouge “intelligence” agency of the same name). The purpose of Tuol Sleng was to torture victims into giving incriminating “confessions”, after which they were taken away in the dead of night to be killed and their bodies dumped in mass graves.
In any event, I suspect that at least 80% of the items on display at the museum have been stolen, probably sold to rich people.
Think about it: Some filthy rich FUCKER has a Khmer Rouge era torture device on display in the basement of his/her house! Sick!!!!
I think that the world has basically “Lost It”. The rich and powerful have gone MAD!
http://www.tuolsleng.com/
flicka, you stupid jackass! have you ever changed a diaper, much less a huggies? women have historically changed them because if not, then it wouldn t get done…not because it s their place…you re such a fucking douche man, i pity you really, for being so obviously lacking in understanding and compassion- i d feel sorry for you as well, if you were maybe six…wake up; you at some point have to take responsibility for your choices and actions i am quite aware that the conventional wisdom is that our personalities are well set by then- but one also can, as an adult consciously choose to change the neural pathways in our brains to embrace new ideas and ways of thinking…perhaps you should take the hint from those of us here who are still willing to interact with you, and take a look at yourself and try to assess the reasons you feel the way you do about apparently all others who seem not like you…i submit that even if they (pick one) are the way you say; you ultimately only control yourself, and your interactions with others…whereby if you can somehow find a way to be less (sorry) of an asshole, then in TLE when it might do you some good, then you can have some chance of interacting with people on an individual basis rather than as hordes of enemies…i mean, you do get from folks what you ask for, depending on how you see/treat them, more often than not…and once again, don t forget the adage divide and conquer: i assure you the fuckers in charge now haven t…
vituperation aside, advice is offered in the true spirit of help; it s just that i have a chip on my own shoulder concerning the shabby treatment women have gotten at the hands of men for most of our history; i don t like to see it continue even in writing- call it on a pedestal or whatever; they are our mothers, sisters and daughters; and deserve respect if for no other reason…
That’s a true sentiment – Truth is Truth even if told by a cracker. I used to argue this with my Jewish Friend – that the N.Y Times might be beautifully written and still be full of lies. Keats is wrong in his T=B and B=T.
But liking someone and appreciating their virtue is different than friendship in my experience. Friends have to fit into your life somehow – and that means common referents and experiences, and that means within your own Race and Culture. Of course Liberals feel more in common with their oppositve numbers in other countries. They are deracinated and deculturized. A triumph of their Masters creation. Zombies in suits and heels.
I’ve read the column twice now. It just doesn’t sink in. Is murmuration similar to resonance, somehow? The period in history JHK picks is not very resonant, I think. This is a very fast moving, dynamic, yet crippling time of contraction. Somehow, that just doesn’t say 1848.
Dude you’re like a woman. Teenage Girls like to write like that – not capitalizing etc.
Women have been oppressing men via the State for decades now. They bring 70% of the divorces if not more. No Women have ever been as pampered as our women and they hate our guts and allie with Blacks and the Welfare State against us – the producers. The payback is coming, the longer delayed the worse it will be.
I seriously question if any Republic can be maintained once they are given the right to vote. They will always go for cheap sentimentality and feel good compassion – the kind which has destroyed us and made the word budget a dirty word.
Pampers ruin the environment and women should go back to the reusable cloth kind.
Not to forget the Seneca Falls Convention of 1848, from which emerged the Declaration of the Rights of Women , and the first wave of feminism in the US.
This is just not a very enlightened post, any way you cut it.
The more they get the more they want. And they want to get it via others – men in other words. Women are hypergamous – every few years they have a desire to trade up. They may not if they have kids, they’ll just be miserable and make their husband’s life miserable. It’s his fault she’s not fufilled as in Eat, Pray, Love. And hell hath no fury like a woman who is trying to “find herself” or “get on in her life”.
Why has Black behavior gotten worse as they gained civil rights? Why are women more unhappy than ever? Because they both need someone to set limits on them. That’s why so many Western Women are going Muslim in Europe: those Men know the art of managing Women; they are willing to give Women what they crave – the word No. That they can respect. But someone who caves in to them? Hell no. Same with Blacks. Weakness is fatal.
And of course a certain group of Gentlemen orchestrated their respective revolts and gains from the chaos and weakening of Western Society.
Great reading, Jim..
If only there was one week without the spewing of Vlad’s curdled mind. Just one week. Instead, we have week after week of it, post after useless post after useless post posturing, pontificating, poltrooning , pishing , and putrefaction of a peculiar nature, that dribbles on and on and on.
What Vlad doesnt get is that he, personally is rejected by women, justifiably, correctly and wisely. This truth is too uncomfortable for Vlad so he expands it. In fact, billions of men lead very happy lives with women all over the world, and women lead happy lives with men all over the world, day in, day out, and its only Vlad that hasnt figured this out. I notice on the blog that ALL women ,of whatever race, religion or nationality know instinctively to not be in the vicinity of Vlad for anything over 40 seconds.
But Vlad doesnt get it. There has been no provision made by him for reflection of his situation and to the nature of its cause. This is the sign of a simple mind. A curdled mind. This is why Vlad is surplus to requirements. A useless mouth. Just ONE WEEK without this embarrassment to Americans on a blog would be a real bonus.
You don’t mention any specifics so it just seems like conventional prejudice on your part. Do you think if we were the Men our Ancestors were we would have gotten into this state: owing trillions to nameless Bankers who basically own the United States? We’re hirelings – the Founding Fathers were farmers and tradesmen. Big difference psychologically. I hate my fellow Whites and I hate myself for what we have become. How we dropped the most beautiful ball of all. We tried to help the Princess out of the carriage and we dropped her in the mud puddle. And now the swarthy men laugh at us and take our women. Worse is coming – much worse.
There is plenty of electrons Pepp. People can talk about whatever they like. Why do people have so much trouble ignoring me? Obviously I strike alot of nerves so somethings I say must have some truth in them – truths that people don’t want to deal with.
Aboriginees treated their women worse than any other society as far as I know. But the suffering between the sexes is a constant thru out the world. We had a good balance in the West until Feminism ruined it. Now women are married to the State and can kick men out of their own homes at will and whim. That’s what happened to the Black Family once welfare could provide more money than Black men could.
Liberal Blogs are moderated and therefore boring. Liberals hate free speech. How did that come about? Weren’t Liberals supposed to be FOR free speech? I bring life here. I know my worth even if you and your’s don’t. If you or Ozone or Asoka have something to say about Peak Oil or Resource depletion, or survivalism – fine. Just ignore my rantings. Maybe I’ll listen and join in your conversation. I am interested in all of that too. But my issues are also important and aren’t going anywhere.
Howdy Asoka, Per your comment clip: “Then computers were developed in the 1950s with the idea of point to point communication between mainframes and terminals, followed by DARPA development of the Internet in the 1960s.”
Not so fast there my good man. ENIAC (considered to be the first programmable digital computer) was developed for US Army BRL (Ballistic Research Laboratory) and operated by same, from 1943-46, to develop cannon/artillery ballistic tables for use by Navy and Army during WWII. Computer interface to terminals with video displays came about in the late 60’s, preceded and supplemented by teletype, paper tape and the ubiquitous Hollerith/punched card inputs.
SNAFU
Pucker said “I’m now traveling in Cambodia for the Chinese New Year holiday, and I’ve got some disturbing news to report. I re-visited the Tuol Sleng torture prison again in Phnom Phen.”
Thats my kinda vacation.
“In any event, I suspect that at least 80% of the items on display at the museum have been stolen, probably sold to rich people.
Think about it: Some filthy rich FUCKER has a Khmer Rouge era torture device on display in the basement of his/her house! Sick!!!!’
The thing is, is that a culturally relative statement? After all, Cambodia is not world-renown as the museum capital of the world.
Hell, look at their ancient art and architecture. The landscaping is growing all over it.
If it was in America it would be given a monthly snip ‘n’ blow by Jose the magic hispanic. And there would be a giant sign saying ‘Do Not Climb’ and probably a handrail, and a guard.
But yes, I do imagine if the Magna Carta or Bill of Rights were on the open market, they would find a price. And yes, the ultra-wealthy and even the middle class somehow manage to afford all kinds of crap to decorate their dens and offices.
Tourism is despicable. There is something kind of empty and vain about it. Not that tourists care.
1943-46? That was Vannevar Bush memex time.
What you say supports my main point, which is that the internet was being worked on way before Marshall McLuhan wrote his books in the early 60s.
The Ballad of Joe Six Pack
He went to work, that Joe
He had a cuppa, He ate a big suppa,
Then it was down to the den for a sixer
He cracked open a Schlitz
Which made him feel rich…
And passed out in front of Wolf Blitzer
Okay, just read this to understand the MC Krug’s dissertation… kicking Joe Six Pack in his schwetty balls… or maybe just good analysis?
Maybe Joe Six Pack is a fuckin’ retard without impulse control? Or maybe the banksters con-jobbed him? Maybe both?
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The Shallowest Generation
http://seekingalpha.com/article/103202-the-shallowest-generation
Ron Paul was great tonite as usual. He said, the so called Conservatives are willing to cut the budget at home but not at all overseas. And they’re perfectly willing to start WW3 by pretending that Iran is goading us on – ignoring the fact that we’re blockading them.
The Boomers delivered on their liberation and consciousness changing movements, especially women’s liberation.
For women, the Baby Boom era has been one of incredible Boomer-led change — in a single generation American Boomer women have effected one of the greatest social metamorphoses in recorded history.
What women are able to do today would have been unimaginable four or five decades ago, at best the stuff of utopian fantasy or science fiction.
Thank you, Boomers!
Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you.
Indirection
Be cryptic, be hard to understand, dazzle and confuse people, make it seem as if you are saying something deep (what a joke, deep doesn’t and can’t exist as all is a segment of logic, a set of associations, a sequence of symbols, hence a painting, a picture nothing else) making it seem as if you know oh, so much more, you have constructed complex logical segments that have made you see through all and understand all: in essence make them worship a logical segment that they cannot understand fully, as that is what we all want, something that is unclear and mysterious, that leaves open the door to some further, deeper, unknown and therefore more exciting and adventurous and mysterious meanings that can imply so many other things and activities and behaviors and causes and effects and possible pain/pleasure segments and sequences, etc.
The indirection starts from birth since you have to become aware that an outside world exists with its logical consequences, the first and strongest indirection, something that exists although you don’t touch it (strange I said that ? but touch is the most concrete thing between baby and mommy, actually that is the real justification and reinforcing of all other more abstract and indirect pain/pleasure events!), is your mommy and all the interactions with this thing outside of you starts to create a complete logical map, you realize that you are not some independent purely subjective entity that is sufficient of itself and can live in a bubble of its own self, it needs to and starts to interact with external signals and symbols and behavioral patterns, you start to know that that thing outside of you is similar to you in some ways, and you slowly learn that it is like you just different and just a multiple image of yourself, another version of another contraption that has pain/pleasure/logic/cause and effect, etc. And so the master denotations and indirections and signals and symbols become engraved on the Man Brain and its memory and behavioral pattern circuits, etc.
Like an atom, an electron and nucleus already have a slight indirection they know that they are a reciprocal reference system to each other, each defines the other in terms of how they are related and how they are hard wired to interact and behave between each other. Each becomes aware that the other is outside of itself, is an external chunk (of logical segment ?) of matter, and indirect external world where they don’t touch but know that each other are there otherwise matter would disintegrate. But it has very few degrees of freedom within which to move whereas interactions between complex large chunks of matter like people have many degrees of freedom within which to move and interact (and you can see how the limits of degrees of freedom becomes a variable from one extreme to another and can be anything in between and anything can be set up as an indirection to anything else, etc.). And that is the indirection, you know that something outside is there, but you cannot touch it, but through contorted signals the something outside can respond and deliver some small events of pain/pleasure and such, and you project your own pain/pleasure on the outside device and feel for it, you become aware of the importance of that other devices pain/pleasure but it is just a ghost an indirection since when you fight a war you disconnect those logical circuits and go with it carelessly (or when you fight your “enemy”, as friend and enemy are designated only through logic, logic is what defines our reference system but logic disintegrates itself if pushed to the limits of itself).
I saw the priest talk about Jesus and he loves you and you love him and so on, he was completely worked up on all of this insane BS, he was worshiping a logical segment, a sequence of symbols, a set of associations, not the content of his words, which really have and are no content, but just as the first denotations justify themselves, so do all the others, ever more detached and abstract, ever more degrees of freedom, ever more possible associations, meanings, abstractions all connected to imaginary (and occasionally real pain/pleasure events as to become finally real, as the only thing that is not a denotation is the pain/pleasure event, not all the rules and logical segments and rules of engagements necessary to obtain small pain/pleasure events).
And when you contradict the religious types they will reply: do you love your children and things like that as to say, do you believe in an indirection ? how can you believe in something invisible ? if you believe in that indirection than you can and must believe in the other indirection that god exists, that other people exist, that good and bad exists. Or also, if you believe arbitrarily in one indirection how do you justify not believing in any other, no matter how far out, indirection ? because you choose to believe in A and not in B, but it is not justified in any way, it is an arbitrary choice not based on anything at all but your free will and random, fluke quirk choice that has no better or deeper value than the choice of believing in god.
If one indirection exists and is justified then all of them are justified, if one indirection is operating all of them are operating and each can reinforce each other, you believe in god, hence in good and bad hence in helping the poor and so on and each becomes a tag of a logical segment reinforcing itself, worshiping itself as indirection really means worshiping some special logical segment but most of all we worship logic, the association, the cause and effect (and the confirming occasional events of pain/pleasure (and the further occasional invented pain/pleasure events in terms of internal feelings and emotions? but these are really make believe arbitrary connections with no justification whatsoever)) and how it is connected to outside elements and events and entities, we are constantly fascinated and dazzled by how logic makes us clearly interpret and decode indirections.
Of course all is logic, in war you kill someone, another will power gadget, another person, but you don’t kill your son, but the difference between them is all based on the principle of identity and non contradiction: you are not going to get confused and make a mistake between an unknown soldier and someone you “love”, and yet the action is simply the elimination of another human with all that that should mean in terms of denotations and values: and yet, it is ok, we create and reinforce differences, we worship our subjectivity (that is what everyone does, so it is a rule of engagement of society).
I’m waiting for the box set of Stan Romney
and Oliver Gingrich
The Short Emergency
Hey, it seems as if JHK’s doom prediction is coming true in Italy: trucks are blocking highways and such since gas costs too much, the entire system can collapse, goods don’t get to stores, all kinds of subsystems fall apart, etc.
Cool, instant disintegration of the society, economy and all in a jiffy, just one small strike can demolish a part of the “first world”, a part of the “EU”, etc.
So it was never going to be a Long Emergency, but a quick and simple falling apart of everything from one moment to the other: and everyone will beat up and fight each other over nothing and everything!
Way to go, the end result will be chaos, confusion, winners and losers, the same old crap a stone age APE Man Brain has been performing since the dawn of time.
But the most interesting aspect is how all the theories, all the blocks of texts, all the new rules, and precisions and debates, years long studies, all of this huge BS about what to do, how to do, what are the “reasons”, the structure of the economy, the OWSers, the Tea Party, all of this huge BS, the theory, the debates, the politics, everything is just worth a big fat ZERO, simply NOT APPLICABLE (actually never was applicable).
It is a very Short Emergency, everything will fall apart just like a glass that falls on the floor and breaks up in so many pieces, end of story, so will the economy, society, structures all. A one bit story, a very short story, a very short emergency, end of story.
Now, go on, keep on constructing, theories, new rules of society, right or wrong, left or right, who is good and bad, what to do, this structure, theory economy, this other and so forth: all a waste of time and not applicable.
“This is why Vlad is surplus to requirements. A useless mouth. Just ONE WEEK without this embarrassment to Americans on a blog would be a real bonus. ”
Who says he’s American ?
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
The idea that Modified Brains imply a new Universe with new laws of Physics is a kind of extreme Anthropic Principle. In this model, the universe is only the way Matter is decoded by another organization of Matter, there is no view from nowhere, there is no external objective observer and view, all views are 100 % subjective as dependent on an entity that appears invariant (the Man Brain – the Observer – the Processor) as compared to all the variants (“external” signals and symbols and sense organ inputs) that entity interacts with, but it is itself a variant, although frozen in a fixed configuration so as to be the “Measure of Everything”.
This kind of extreme Anthropic Principle implies that essentially, There is no “External Reality” (or Matter, or World), there is no Inside and Outside with regards to Matter in general, only a subdivision of Matter in a chunk assigned as Inside and a chunk assigned as Outside, a delimitation of one chunk of Matter is Inside (the Observer) and another chunk as Outside (the place from nowhere from which all the signals arriving at the Observer come from); in other words the Observer cannot be separated and placed in some kind of place from nowhere where it can make believe that it is “Objective”, Matter cannot arbitrarily be divided into two parts only because it seems so convenient from our point of view: reductionism doesn’t work anymore at a higher and more general level of abstraction that now includes the mind itself as a variable, it is now either all or nothing, either you admit that the Observer is not independent from its substrate and design and arbitrary situation in which it finds itself or that the Observer is some metaphysical – abstract – spiritual entity looking at the universe from the “Outside”…
What has happened since 2008 is an all-out war against the middle class for reasons that remain obscure. Keynesian stimulation only works in a manufacturing economy where all debt is self-liquidating (company X borrows, makes widget Y, sells widget Y, pays back debt) and demographics are improving.
The USA has NEITHER condition. After TARP/TALF, QE2, and other direct and indirect stimuli, real wages are still plummeting because the skilled, high-paying jobs were offshored. I feel like writing an article to the WSJ inquiring how Mr. Bernanke proposes to end this structural depression by throwing MORE money into the economy that won’t get lent by banks and that won’t be used to build the plants that make REAL widgets that cause a natural debt liquidation.
I don’t know if Bernanke is just an unusually stupid academic or he suffers from the same delusion as the Republicans … that this is the America of 1950 or 1960 when we were manufacturing giants. His formula for endless stimulation is actually a formula for re-raising commodity prices and stock prices. In other words, any “recovery” kills itself because the masses, with their falling wages, can afford the necessities of life less and less. Is Bernanke a fool or a knave? Doesn’t matter. He’s wrong no matter which hat he wants to wear.
E.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Within this framework it can be said that Science is Wrong. That’s it. I said it. Science is Wrong from the outset, what we do have is a local logical segment that is sufficient for our uses, we have found the many repetitive patterns and have found out how to apply them (and we may find others in the future), but the Metaphysical – Spiritual – Abstract properties that we apply to Science are Wrong. There is no “Objective Reality” and “Objective Science” or “Set of Patterns” as applied to an “External Reality” such that justifies this other new subtle form of Religion: as even Science has properties of Religions, the faith factor, the belief factor, only in this case you have faith in logic and reasoning and you believe that reality is outside of yourself, that the Observer is independent of the Observed, that the Observer can be separated from the Observed: nothing further from the truth, there is no way to split the Observer from the Observed, it is all one, a confusing monolithic slab of Matter, nay, symbols talking to themselves.
In fact Science tries to find repetitive patterns by comparing things to what it already knows, but formatting new events, patterns, causes and effects, observations into the language and words and symbols it has already created: the past conditions the future in this sense, the memory of what you already know creates the reference system, reality is just the memory of all you have seen and all the patterns you are used to and have been solidified into expectations where very few really surprising events can happen. And as such since the Universe is only the way Matter is decoded by another organization of Matter, and since Matter is only Information Relationship Events, hence Symbols, it is more correct to say the Universe is only the way a set of Symbols are decoded by another set of Symbols.
What does probability have to do with it ? It is said that there is a probability that your quantum atoms align up in such a way that you can walk through walls, or there is one chance in a very large number that atoms just align up and make a dead man live again for maybe a week and such. Do we expect such things to happen ? Not really, but they are not 100 % excluded from what official Science tells us. And that is the point: if these things can happen, and they can, then anything can happen (and even if they can’t, it doesn’t matter), there is no longer any need to explain anything; the event is the explanation, it needs no further investigation, the observation is the science and the explanation, science becomes a very short story, it is only that which we see, the entire idea of explaining, relating, connecting a long chain of causes and effects and such is no longer necessary, the simplest explanation is no explanation.
So how did Natural Evolution create the first living cell and a Man ? No explanation, it just happened, end of story, the very long complex number that created the end point is just a number that has been selected out of a very large bag of numbers just because, for no reason at all.
And in fact, No Reason at All is the Best Reason Possible, No Reason at all, Just Because, It is just a randomly assigned number.
And such for anything else: does God exist ? I don’t know, but if yes he exists For No Reason at All, just because. Does anything else, no matter how wild and insane exist ? I don’t know, but if it does it exists For No Reason at All, just because. But even saying I don’t know does not really do justice to the idea that Science is Wrong: we must take it further, and leave the entire concept of “truth” behind as it implies external realities, true and false, imaginary spiritual properties entities have and such so we can say: Does anything at all exist ? Yes, anything at all exists (an oldsmobile that is a brain and talks to little children) everything exists For No Reason at All, just because.
And taking it even further does nothing at all exist, is everything a temporary ghost and illusion ? Yes, nothing exists For No Reason at All, just because.
Coincidences, no matter how specific and far out no longer need to be explained. They just exist and happen.
E.
Keynesian stimulation only works in a manufacturing economy…
That’s what I’ve been saying as well..I call the half-baked measures taken by this administration to stimulate growth as a Keynesian band-aid against the gash of neoliberalism and globalism.
As they say, we always fight the last war. Our depression scholar, Bernanke doesn’t get that these conditions are different than those of the great depression, but is treating the economy the same. You’ll never get the exponential benefit of stimulus if you don’t have vertical and horizontal integration in manufacturing.
Last week IxNoMore mentioned that the San Francisco Bay Bridge, the largest infrastructure project in process right now is being built with inferior Chinese steel. Likewise, our Keystone pipeline. One person being interviewed about the potential disaster of leaks and breaks in the pipeline described the oil sludge as sandpaper going through weak steel pipelines throughout multiple states over the largest aquifer in the country.
The manufacturing base is crippled, thanks to the sausage making that is globalism and we no longer have vertical and horizontal support for making things here.
Romney wants us all to believe that Vulture Capitalism is capitalism and if you don’t like it, go to North Korea. No discussion here, just move along…
Whoever wins the presidency this time around will need to address this issue and if they refuse due to ideology, this country is finished.
KAPUT!
Pucker,
I think you’ve got something there. The rich and powerful are in Thanatosian mode. The rich reveling in artifacts of torture.. it says it all.
They are a death cult. They will allow wildlife to die on this planet as water sources dry-up, thanks to global warming, they will continue to gin up wars for profit, they will continue to destroy indigenous people where there are resources they want without any regard for the environment–‘cuz god forbid they actually spend some money to do business. We can’t have that in the no taxes, no regulations, money to the enth degree business cult in which they are a part.
Hate to be a pedant, but the bloodiest war of the nineteenth century was the Napoleonic wars, not the American Civil War (not that the latter wasn’t bloody).
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
To clear a point up : the reason why the Universe is a set of symbols decoded by another set of symbols is also (amongst other more abstract reasons) because our reference system in terms of logic, cause and effects, patterns and especially the memory of all that knowledge (as has been established by Science and the Man Brain’s accumulative knowledge) is a kind of fixed language, fixed formal system of symbols decoded by other symbols and defined according to other symbols etc. synchronized and associated according to how we interact with “External” Matter. But since all of this is just Matter talking to itself, therefore symbols talking to themselves, it cannot be considered really objective, but in fact the exact opposite; the most extreme subjectivity possible, as it is just like a large number assigned for No Reason at All, Just because, and something totally arbitrary and random is something totally subjective and outside of the process of our imaginary Objective Science.
As a small correction of a block of text above:
This kind of extreme Anthropic Principle implies that essentially, There is no “External Reality” (or Matter, or World), there is no Inside and Outside with regards to Matter in general, only an ARBITRARY subdivision of Matter in a chunk assigned as Inside and a chunk assigned as Outside, an ARBITRARY delimitation of one chunk of Matter is Inside (the Observer) and another chunk as Outside (the place from nowhere from which all the signals arriving at the Observer come from); in other words the Observer cannot be separated and placed in some kind of place from nowhere where it can make believe that it is “Objective”, Matter cannot arbitrarily be divided into two parts only because it seems so convenient from our point of view.
As a corollary Science does exactly this: it arbitrarily separates the Observer from the Observed, although Quantum Physics started having issues with this…
And Wow, I think I am starting to take myself too seriously with all of this…
‘A useless mouth. Just ONE WEEK without this embarrassment to Americans on a blog would be a real bonus. “”
You know what Flad uses for contraception?
His personality, what little there is of it.
Not enough to attract, but just enough to repel.
Did you know that Flad lives in a trailer someplace, lives off disabilty, and dresses in womens underwear?
During the summers he’s a rodeo clown at the local carnival, and part of his act is to get kicked in the head by a donkey.
Its really, REALLY funny, the kids just love it.
“Make the donkey kick the clown again daddy!” And for only a $1, you can too!! Flad makes hundreds of dollars a day this way!! Quite amazing.
Then he spends it all on meth-whores and really, really cheap booze.
So, don’t take what he says at all seriously, he’s been kicked in the head by that dang donkey thousands of times now.
The kids jut love it!! Remember, only a $1!
😉
Dear Mr. Kunstler,
You are a disgusting man with a disgusting message. If I could, I would censor you by cutting out your tongue and removing each of your fingers, one by one.
jugular@ameritech.net
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177982
[quote=”Flannel Jesus”][quote=”nameta9″]Now, go on, keep on constructing, theories, new rules of society, right or wrong, left or right, who is good and bad, what to do, this structure, theory economy, this other and so forth: all a waste of time and not applicable.[/quote]
Isn’t that what you do in most of your threads? You keep on trying unsuccessfully to present your theory about society and economy — namely the theory that if we just build a whole bunch of skyscrapers, everything will be good. Is this your resignation from that type of thread? You’re planning on quitting those “skip over these blocks of text” posts? If so, I think that’s a good decision. It was all a waste of time and not applicable.[/quote]
Hey Green Thug:
I didn’t say only skyscrapers, I also said we need high speed trains, lots of them, Atomic Energy plants, lots of them, BUS systems, lots of them, Rockets to Mars, lots of them, and many other kinds of large scale complex projects, many kinds all different ! etc. All things that imply huge public private projects (where private companies can make trillions of dollars in profits, who cares, the important thing is people have jobs that create something big and important), instead of all of these puny “small businesses” and “startups” and crap. We need large monolithic, visionary projects that give the kids pride, a goal in life, an achievement, a real task achieved, you win, make them win, when they see so many skyscrapers and Rockets they know they have won, the future is being constructed, they have won, they have achieved, they are proud and happy…And let Nature pay for it, nature is just a tool in our hands, it is not some kind of fairy tale god..
Thug…
Another thing I think is operating is that all this emphasis on education and specific skill sets and all is to brainwash everyone that they are all such special little turds having all such special skills that are needed in all so special little areas: divide people, make them all different and make them think they do not belong to one social class, make them think they are special when in fact it is all a farce… You can invent only so many special little skill sets in the end, there can’t be hundreds and hundreds of different special skill sets, it is obvious that it becomes a farce and make believe, that other reasons are behind the game…
AN APE
Hey Vlad, your sister signed in!
Didn’t know you had a sister tho…
😉
Forgot to ask: Is she as butt-ugly as you are?
😉
Existence requires balance. All our systems are in a state of conflict ie. imbalance a disharmony fed by the ego’s desire for greater control ,economic political,religious etc. The innate will to live is moving our human being to that place of reality of balance.In the meantime the conflict intensifies as we move from an ego centricity ,seen as quite psychotic to a centering that is in alignment with the fundamental order of the cosmos.
E. said:
Back then GM, Ford, and Chrysler were the big three. Then Toyota surpassed GM in 2008 and suddenly we are not a manufacturing nation. Or, as lbendet says: “Our manufacturing is crippled.” We don’t make motors anymore.
Just a minute… Mrs. Asoka is telling me something.
Oh… turns out we have had 22 consecutive months of private sector job growth. (including manufacturing sectors)
Mrs. Asoka says we are making motors again. What? No way?
But E and lbendet say manufacturing is going to hell.
OK, she says GM became number one again in 2011.
Was auto making considered manufacturing in the 50s and 60s? Is it still in 2012?
Interesting to see how something dead is anything you see, any combination of objects you see, since everything you see is dead (in the sense at least of not having self consciousness at least as far as we can tell ? …), but only one very specific organization of matter, configuration of matter, combination of matter is alive and that is Man (or better the process of his Man Brain interacting with his external reality, etc.(but didn’t I say that there is no external reality ? yeah, but I fooled, you, ha, ha, ha (lose any hope in trying to find coherence and non contradiction in all my BS))). So imagine what could be all the intermediate steps ? imagine a limit of matter going from dead to alive (but not in our scientific or biological sense, in an imaginary metaphysical sense) look at all the dead things outside of you and imagine combinations of them that become a little self aware and so on, an entire linear scale, and then maybe the scale can go even further in both directions more dead than dead, more alive than alive, so if dead is 0 (but corresponds to trillions of different objects) and alive is 100 and corresponds to only one, imagine the scale going from minus a trillion to plus a trillion and each state of existence (from super dead to super alive but much more, etc.) can correspond to trillions of different objects, combinations of matter, etc.
this country is finished.
KAPUT!
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Oh zog, faster please!
This disgusting empire (as they all are) needs a killing in every which way possible.
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E, re bernanke, i think you give him far too much credit: it wouldn t take the brains to run a chicken to have been able to see that our (and i quote) “economy” isn t working, and long before 2008…i believe he DOES know, and that he and his crony vultures have decided that it is all unsustainable and this is the last cycle; that they might as well get as much out of us now as possible before we truly (violently) object to the gang-rape…to his hypothetical defense of ‘somebody, it might as well have been me’, i declare that he could have come clean and didn t; being part of it all is guilt…
Did you think the economy was working in the 50s and 60s, when the Big Three led the world in auto manufacturing?
Did you think the USA lost its manufacturing capability when Toyota took over number one in 2008?
Does anybody remember the 50s and 60s? Women were kept at home, minorities were denied their dignity, homosexuality was a crime, and anyone who marched to a different drummer was labeled un-American and viewed as a threat. The so-called “greatest generation” imposed a cultural complacency whose worst elements included racism, sexual inequality and anti-Semitism.
Boomers rebelled against their parents’ values, striving to create an inclusive society that would recognize the contributions of all of its members.
Defying and denouncing authority, the baby boomers protested against an unjust war and challenged an unethical political system.
Even after the clamor of the 1960s quieted down, boomers refused to tolerate environmental violations, continued to challenge racial and sexual discrimination, rejected religious intolerance and defied racial and sexual taboos.
And despite an apparent conservative turn in America, boomer values have in fact permeated our society to the point where a younger generation takes them for granted.
Asoka,
For the record: Obama did save the auto industry and its horizontal/vertical businesses. That was the discussion in 2009.
However, in all other areas we are not allowing the manufacturing base to do the same.
I work for a manufacturing company as an outside contractor on digital imaging for their catalogs. They do everything in China. When I asked them whether they would consider manufacturing in the US they explained. We couldn’t afford it, we could not manufacture on the scale that we need and America is finished.
LB and E.,
Youses have laid out the case that maintaining the status quo has become a study in tunnel vision, to the point of psychopathy. (Turns out that it’s simply maintaining the privileges of the rich and powerful.)
Interesting piece from Greer about what the status quo really represents in its’ insistence on feeding the upper part of the hierarchical structure by limiting true choice and wasting incredible amounts of energy.
Here’s a slice:
“One after another, nearly every economic sector has undergone drastic reorganizations that slashed jobs, pay, and benefits for everyone below the middle class, and a growing number of people in the lower end of the middle class itself. Now that everyone below them has been thrown under the bus, the middle classes are discovering that it’s their turn next, as the classes above them scramble to maintain their own access to the payoffs of privilege. Having nodded and smiled while those further down the pyramid got shafted, the middle classes are in no position to mount an effective resistance now that they’re the ones being made redundant. I can almost hear a former midlevel manager in an unemployment line saying: “First they laid off the factory workers, but I said nothing, because I wasn’t a factory worker…” ” -JMG
Who is being served, and why are these “managers” to be trusted?
The FMC (former middle class) is pissed, but they don’t know why… do they, Mr. Jones? But they’ll turn to these wasters, managers and experts to, “Put it back like it was, pleeeeease!” and stomp their feet while hollering, “I want it, Iwantit, Iwantit!”.
…And this is why they’ll turn willing brownshirt to “protect what’s theirs”. It’s a Laddie-an utopia of death and cruelty; how fun is that? We’re not going to have this shit out until these froggies jump; and they’ll jump first, you can count on it. When we’re [subtley] told to set upon one another (which Newt&Co. have made a career of), and that becomes explicit rather than implicit, you’ll know to get your shit together and decide what kind of world you want to live and die in.
I don’t see a good ending to this particular crumbling, because the pump creating the vacuum to be filled is driven by desperation and purely selfish considerations. (What else to expect?)
What’s the deal here with this symbiotic relationship between the TV networks and the massive police-prison apparatus which exists now in the US? So I work 3rd shift and the rare occasion I get a night off I have trouble falling asleep. Inevitably the TV is on for lack of anything else at those late hours. And on numerous channels its aggrandizing reality programs riding with the police on the street or filming inside American prisons, with the resplendently attired officers portrayed as heroes, and the entire American citizenry portrayed as scum. SWAT tossing grenades into houses in the middle of the night, forced cell extractions, arrests everywhere for everything (13 million per year) it almost as if a parallel universe exists unseen alongside the one we live in, similar to what Solzhenitsyn described in Russia in the 1930s.
The possible reason there is so much of this sort of programming is to scare the crap out of people and keep them in line. The system with their police and COs appears ubiquitous and all powerful. “You too can end up here,” seems to be the message. That’s why the civil disorder Jim predicts for this summer will never occur. “Lockdown, lockdown!!!”, “Get on the ground, get on the ground!!!”, and “Show me you hands, show me your hands”!!!, could vie for our new national mottos, replacing the quaint “E Pluribus Unum” and the like. A new motto for a new, uncertain century.
—WSP7
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Good one, O
Thanks. I’ve got to read Greer more often.
Prison Planet, indeed!
(forgot to link)
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/01/waking-up-walking-away.html
HaHa….one thing I think you can count on…..if chanting would levitate the Pentagon, then the best chanters would be inside the Pentagon, not outside.
that right there is precisely why i have never watched those shows…and it could have been, but wasn t, because i already hated cops in general in response to my step-grandpa…shereiff, and suffice it to say it started before i was born anyway, sadly, i think you re right, and sadder: it s working- witness the world around us
and America is finished.
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Finished as rah rah American exceptionalism, we’re number one? Yes, I agree… and about time.
England was once number one. “And England is finished” doesn’t quite ring true.
You see, just because a country devolves into third world status does not mean that country is “finished.” People go on living their lives, having babies, loving one another, etc.
We have to get over this false impression that life is not worth living if we are “finished” as the world’s pre-eminent superpower.
The world will be better off when America is truly “finished” and we can live life more fully like much of South America does because we are less focused on GDP and $$$.
I lived over a decade in South America in a country where people earned US$100 a month. What happy people! We have so much to learn from the third world.
NEWSFLASH: Money is not necessary for happiness. Money cannot buy human warmth. Lack of money cannot inhibit a people who know the value of other human beings and celebrate it regularly.
When suddenly, a country is not the world’s leader in manufacturing, it does not mean that country is finished. Like JHK’s podcast this week, it just means things will be done differently.
I know it seems like death, like we’re “finished,” to American exceptionalists, but it isn’t death. It is an opportunity to develop new priorities, human priorities, where our primary role is not as consumers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-pgHlB8QdQ
We have a right to delirium, a right to dream. We don’t have to be cogs in a capitalist machine.
Listen to Eduardo Galeano. English translation in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Galeano presents a different set of non-materialist values. Change comes from the bottom up. Listen to JHK’s podcast this week.
America lost its manufacturing capacity bit by bit over the last 40 years.
Listen to what Lbendet has to say.
And it is no longer just manufacturing which is being offshored.
I worked for a firm for a good many years and over that time I saw management gradually relocate what had been formerly white collar occupations from Europe and Canada and the USA to India where people would work for 80% to 90% less.
What kind of occupations? Everything from accounts payable to new business analysis (usually done by business school grads) to CPA firm partner level tax work (usually done by highly experienced CPAs) to checking accounting documentation for compliance with Sarbanes Oxley legislation (again usually done by highly skilled and experienced accounting staff).
The work was moved there for the simple reason that the folk there would work for a small fraction of what was being paid in Europe/Canada/USA. The work offshored to India was not done in India by semi literate villagers. It was done by highly educated and skilled people.
Of course there is a BIG problem here. Firms that offshore their work gut the market for their productsin Europe/Canada/the US. How? By laying off a well paid work force in favor of a low paid work force. So who buys their products? The slave wage worker or the unemployed/underemployed American/Canadian/European?
This business model based on offshoring isn’t even underpinned by simple logic. What is the root of the financial/economic difficulties the so-called developed world is facing? It is the simple illogic of offshoring.
The big thinkers like Bernanke are trying to sustain the unsustainable first by accruing massive govt debts to make up for the lack of demand caused by the gutting of their domestic economies and then by massive printing of money.
Ain’t workin. Cain’t work. Even simple country boys like me can see that much. I’ve been around long enough to watch the long debacle unfold.
LB said:
That’s what I’ve been saying as well..I call the half-baked measures taken by this administration to stimulate growth as a Keynesian band-aid against the gash of neoliberalism and globalism.
E. says:
A “gash” is an excellent metaphor because Keynesianism in a service economy is like treating a gaping wound with sulfuric acid. The wound will “heal” because the skin making up the wound gives way to visible BONE. And that’s where the consumer is … the bone.
LB said:
As they say, we always fight the last war. Our depression scholar, Bernanke doesn’t get that these conditions are different than those of the great depression, but is treating the economy the same. You’ll never get the exponential benefit of stimulus if you don’t have vertical and horizontal integration in manufacturing.
E. says:
Exactly. Bernanke looks at the deflation ONLY. He’s so fixated on ONE “threat” that he doesn’t see that our current economy has NOTHING in common with 1932. And I mean NOTHING.
LB said:
Last week IxNoMore mentioned that the San Francisco Bay Bridge, the largest infrastructure project in process right now is being built with inferior Chinese steel. Likewise, our Keystone pipeline. One person being interviewed about the potential disaster of leaks and breaks in the pipeline described the oil sludge as sandpaper going through weak steel pipelines throughout multiple states over the largest aquifer in the country.
E. says:
This is a rather standard symptom of a dying empire. Remember when we were going to hire the Chinese to build a nuclear detector for the Straits of Florida?? It may appear as naivety but it’s really the desperation of a country that has sold out all of its intellectuals and therefore has to rely on ENEMIES for pivotal projects. I mean, it’s so farcical that one wonders if we’ll hire Shi’ite clerics to oversee the TSA.
LB said:
The manufacturing base is crippled, thanks to the sausage making that is globalism and we no longer have vertical and horizontal support for making things here.
E. says:
We’re even gutting the basic R&D in this country. That’s one step worse than gutting manufacturing. R&D is how you build BETTER stuff and NEWER, INNOVATIVE stuff. But this takes a multiyear commitment and shareholders want a quarterly payoff in our casino economy. Even manufacturing would die if you just build factories to make old-fashioned widgets if you don’t have the R&D to make that widget better or, better still, make a brand new type of widget.
LB said:
Romney wants us all to believe that Vulture Capitalism is capitalism and if you don’t like it, go to North Korea. No discussion here, just move along…
Whoever wins the presidency this time around will need to address this issue and if they refuse due to ideology, this country is finished.
KAPUT!
E. says:
Romney, of all the Republicans, is the most mainstream Republican tool. In some ways, he’s just a more subterranean, covert version of Gingrich who, at least, has the gumption to have the gall he has. Romney is trying to masquerade as a Republican and try like hell to hide his past associations.
Vulture capitalism is inverse capitalism because it seeks to thrive by robbing CREATORS and INVENTORS of the control over their own creations and the monies that they would have accrued via that control. A vulture capitalist wants the REAL capitalist, the innovator/entrepreneur, to do all the work for a gutted-out compensation, while the Vulture … who creates NOTHING sits back and waits for the returns.
Indeed, the very fact that we create these euphemisms shows the desperation with which we are trying to sanitize stealing and plundering with catchy phrases. Soon, we’ll have to have the Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, Russians, and Germans do ALL the creating because we’ve disincentived creation itself. Already, even our weapons firms cannot compete against the Norwegians (submarines to the Chinese), the Russians (Sukoy fighters are cheap and compete favorably with F-18s and India bought a huge fleet), and the Israelis (selling subs to Germany).
When we can’t sell KILLING MACHINES you know that the end is nigh.
E.
You Asoka have the sound of someone who has NEVER suffered poverty.
‘What kind of occupations? Everything’
If a PC and Inet connection are available…
Architecture [CAD software] etcetcetc.
The worlds gotten alot more interconnected.
I recall a story of Wedding invitations..ordered on Main Street, designed in India..it was a 70$ order.
You Rhino have the sound of someone who has NEVER actually lived in the Third World.
Hence: Next stop Iran. Nothing like on-going war with no tax base!
Whatever became of economic determinism? Guess that’s what globalism is all about. Dissolution of the nation-state and a complete destruction of the employment base in favor of cheap labor and currency differentials.
I’ve been amazed for a long time that we want the Chinese to build our military hardware. At what point do we get industrial sabotage? Poisoned goods? With no regulation and no quality control.
Perhaps the Bay Bridge will buckle and fall apart with a full load of traffic on it. When does the the reality of the situation dawn on everyone?
We are moving more tax burden onto the states and they will have to sell out infrastructure to Sovereign Wealth funds etc.
As Orwell suggests, this ideology of bad ideas will eventually be tested on the battleground.
Bloody wars endeed!.
Just at battle of Borodin Napoleon lost close to 300 officers. The reason I am mentioning this, officer at that time ment that he is a man from well healed family. Regular soldier was promoted only after exceptional bravery that he has to survive in the first place, be seen and confirmed by his comanders which is also tricky since, sometimes, thay like to keep the gloory for themselves. Nevertheless, unlike today’s chicken hawks powerful people at that time willingly or not at least walked the talk.
Mitt Romney @ his last presidentail run:
” My boys are contributing to the USA by working on my campaign”.
I have close relatives that grew up in such places. They bear the scars of inadequate nutrition like stunting and bent leg bones. Have YOU ever suffered such a lack Asoka? I think they would tell you that when you talk about their poverty that you haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about.
By most standards, in most countries, US$100 a month income qualifies you as living in “poverty.”
Keynesian stimulation only works in a manufacturing economy… L
Otherwise it’s like pushing on a string.
Asoka have you ever been desperate for food? Have you watched your kids grow up scrawny and stunted for lack of food?
No? I listen to those that have. And I would again submit that you’re talking out your ass.
Soon, we’ll have to have the Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, Russians, and Germans do ALL the creating because we’ve disincentived creation itself.
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I’m happy for the Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, etc. who have a chance to work and provide for their families.
The USA has had a good long run and has built up a lot of wealth. Time has come for others to do the same. Good for them!
“As Orwell Suggets … ”
-Ibendet
It would do us all well to read and reread Orwell, ‘specially 1984. Blair, the great oracle of the dark heart of the 20th century, has even more relevance in 2012. So far nobody since has emerged with a cautionary tale like his great masterpiece, his summing up of the Soviet and Nazi systems brought to Great Britain in the near future.
Jim says the US Government in TLE will so incompetent and hapless it won’t be able to answer the phone or keep the lights on. I don’t know about that. The Military and the police will be well funded to the end, the lights shining brilliantly down at the local precinct amidst amidst the squalor and darkness surrounding it.
–WSP7
9:03
Stop picking on that little fagot: ask me the question:
What did I achieve in my lifetime ? A big fat ZERO. And I hope that one second after I die no one remembers about me at all, nay, I hope that I am not even thought of or remembered alive that is why I always say erase all of my posts, erase the entire Internet, etc. We need to kill memory, erase all memories.
Do I give two c*cks and a d*ck that I am worth a big fat ZERO and didn’t achieve anything at all ? NO.
Ok,satisfied ? Jesus ph*kng christ, what fake problems people deal themselves…
As far as vladie, he is a little queer who is even afraid to talk dirty to Alexandra that old horny slut: go vlad talk dirty to her, you both have the same fantasies, talk about a handsome young black stud…
Entertain us a little, this blog is so boring with all of these Green Thugs, give us back old tzatza, party poopers, ph*cktards…
So please explain to us all why it has to be done at the expense of the ordinary American worker.
Take your time. But not too much time because we’re waiting.
As a matter of fact we’re still waiting for your answers on a number of other questions…
Science is worth zero because it is dependent on an imaginary invariant, the Man Brain, it is only valid within the process of interactions that a Man Brain can have with its environment hence it is only a local logical segment: a real objective science would have to investigate all possible Man Brain permutations and designs and rules of interactions with all possible memory organizations, emotion and pain/pleasure circuits, logics, sense organs, you name it: obviously the number of different kinds of Man Brains (or simply Processors, Observers ) possible is astronomical hence even investigating many and many, the amount of Real Science that we could write down is always vanishingly small, hence it is the entire idea of Science that is false and wrong.
It only works in our puny world, so then any set of symbols that are assigned to process any other set of symbols is a completely new universe with a completely new science, etc.
Design your new Science, make it wildly interesting, design your make believe, don’t be shy, we are only at the beginning of Real Science…
TOBOR AN 8 MAN
8,
As long as you stick with skyscapers, robots and your usual you’re fine. Dildo crap that you aimed at Alexandra at last blog is…what shall I say?
Little of name calling in the heat of the night to get your point acress I understand, but your rant?
I love philosophy?
Are you by chance a father, Vlad? If so, have you ever once held up your end and actually changed a dirty diaper? Or do you believe your penis is a get-out-of-dealing-with-baby-poop-free card?
And I would again submit that you’re talking out your ass.
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You make that claim rather often. You are welcome to your opinion. But it gets boring and I don’t respond to ad hominem attacks.
Just don’t feel hurt if I refuse to respond in kind or refuse to hurl insults or refuse to respond at all. You are welcome to do as you please and it will not affect my happiness.
I am enjoying all the attention you are giving me.
Vlad –
What makes you think I’m a Jew? I used my alias there just to have some fun with your sorry ass.
Say hi to Mika and Metuselah for me.
Humble Harv
This kind of trafficking in sick relics is nothing new. Not praiseworthy, obviously, but it’s hardly an unprecedented symptom of a new unfathomable depravity in human affairs. On balance, this is in many ways the most civilized time in human history. Most armies nowadays don’t collect trophies, for example, and punish soldiers who do such things.
So please explain to us all why it has to be done at the expense of the ordinary American worker.
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Please explain why Americans (6% of the world’s population) had to take 25% of the world’s resources for so many decades.
Look, it’s karma, Rhino. Our time is up. You can cry that it is “unfair,” you can play the victim card.
Or you can accept it, look forward to how to adapt to a new reality (listen to JHK’s podcast) and be happy for the Third World people who now have jobs and for their children who will now have enough to eat. I’m happy for them.
The so-called “poor” in the USA have so many safety nets and live in such a wealthy country that they will survive. They might even be motivated to organize when they realize their fate, much like the people of Wisconsin did when they realized their collective bargaining rights were being taken away from them.
The United States consumes over 1800 cubic meters of water annually per capita, about three times the world average.
The United States consumes more water than any other country.
The United States consumes about 17 million barrels of oil per day, of which nearly two-thirds is used for transportation.
The United States consumes timber at a rate nearly double the average for developed countries.
Though its population does not exceed 6 per cent of the world total, the United States consumes almost three-quarters of the available supply of rubber and gasoline, two-thirds of all the raw silk, and one-quarter of the sugar.
The United States consumes 33 times as much energy per person as India, 13 times as much as China, two and a half times as much as Japan, and two times as much as Sweden.
The United States consumes 30 percent of the world’s paper. The United States consumes a disproportionately high number of the world’s trees.
All that is about to change. And it’s about time. Third world status is our new reality. You can whine, Rhino, or you can adapt and find the silver lining.
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In fact Science tries to find repetitive patterns by comparing things to what it already knows, by formatting new events, patterns, causes and effects, observations into the language and words and symbols it has already created:
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Within this framework it can be said that Science is Wrong. That’s it. I said it. Science is Wrong from the outset, what we do have is a local logical segment that is sufficient for our uses, we have found the many repetitive patterns and have found out how to apply them (and we may find others in the future), but the Metaphysical – Spiritual – Abstract properties that we apply to Science are Wrong. There is no “Objective Reality” and “Objective Science” or “Set of Patterns” as applied to an “External Reality” such that justifies this other new subtle form of Religion: as even Science has properties of Religions, the faith factor, the belief factor, only in this case you have faith in logic and reasoning and you believe that reality is outside of yourself, that the Observer is independent of the Observed, that the Observer can be separated from the Observed: nothing further from the truth, there is no way to split the Observer from the Observed, it is all one, a confusing monolithic slab of Matter, nay, symbols talking to themselves.
In fact Science tries to find repetitive patterns by comparing things to what it already knows, by formatting new events, patterns, causes and effects, observations into the language and words and symbols it has already created: the past conditions the future in this sense, the memory of what you already know creates the reference system, reality is just the memory of all you have seen and all the patterns you are used to and have been solidified into expectations where very few really surprising events can happen. And as such since the Universe is only the way Matter is decoded by another organization of Matter, and since Matter is only Information Relationship Events, hence Symbols, it is more correct to say the Universe is only the way a set of Symbols are decoded by another set of Symbols.
What does probability have to do with it ? It is said that there is a probability that your quantum atoms align up in such a way that you can walk through walls, or there is one chance in a very large number that atoms just align up and make a dead man live again for maybe a week and such. Do we expect such things to happen ? Not really, but they are not 100 % excluded from what official Science tells us. And that is the point: if these things can happen, and they can, then anything can happen (and even if they can’t, it doesn’t matter), there is no longer any need to explain anything; the event is the explanation, it needs no further investigation, the observation is the science and the explanation, science becomes a very short story, it is only that which we see, the entire idea of explaining, relating, connecting a long chain of causes and effects and such is no longer necessary, the simplest explanation is no explanation.
So how did Natural Evolution create the first living cell and a Man ? No explanation, it just happened, end of story, the very long complex number that created the end point is just a number that has been selected out of a very large bag of numbers just because, for no reason at all.
And in fact, No Reason at All is the Best Reason Possible, No Reason at all, Just Because, It is just a randomly assigned number.
And such for anything else: does God exist ? I don’t know, but if yes he exists For No Reason at All, just because. Does anything else, no matter how wild and insane exist ? I don’t know, but if it does it exists For No Reason at All, just because. But even saying I don’t know does not really do justice to the idea that Science is Wrong: we must take it further, and leave the entire concept of “truth” behind as it implies external realities, true and false, imaginary spiritual properties entities have and such so we can say: Does anything at all exist ? Yes, anything at all exists (an oldsmobile that is a brain and talks to little children) everything exists For No Reason at All, just because.
And taking it even further does nothing at all exist, is everything a temporary ghost and illusion ? Yes, nothing exists For No Reason at All, just because.
Coincidences, no matter how specific and far out no longer need to be explained. They just exist and happen.
THE EIGHT MAN
This is the vision of the future you have: White male supremacy, all others “in their place”, with violence very much on the table to make it happen. People who believe as you do, Vlad, are a real danger to the common good and need to be challenged at every possible opportunity. I’m glad when I get e-mails for “picking on” you, as though you’re a victim and a barely suppressed aggressor. It’s solid evidence that I’m doing some good in the world, however minor.
rhino- did you catch the last part of his post? he s as much as embraced his office as RI; and as such isn t interested in continuity of discussion- rather distraction i submit that one might be better off in the long term to relegate the hose to ‘resident ignorata’, since it is as unlikely for ass-soaker (how dya like them ad hominations?) to answer any real question as for flicka to do the same…
*rather than a barely suppressed aggressor.
Because the consequences of letting the likes of you get out of control are unacceptable to civilized people.
“America lost its manufacturing capacity bit by bit over the last 40 years.”
Do you remember when immigrants used to come to the USA because of the higher wages they could earn here? When US wages were the envy of the world? When a good-paying US job was something people used to do just about anything to get?
No more, corp execs have instead aimed US labor in the opposite direction, and won’t be satisfied until, due to globalization, US wages are equal to Chinese wages. But they get to keep all the profits ….
Serfs up! Grab a board….
Work! Work! Work! Gotta make $ for the Jerk.
😉
Asoka,
You must not be listening very carefully to the political dialogue here because I think the current safety net is being called into question while the middle class pays for the cost of speculators to continue speculating with government guarantee.
Many issues are being confused here, but the discussion we are all having is a falsity. Slave labor is producing wealth for a few and speculation is extracting wealth from us.
It’s not a question of whining its a question of seeing that you’re being systematically cheated in broad daylight and the thievery continues. We are being undermined as a nation state, but that doesn’t mean the folks for India and China etc don’t have their own national pride and sooner or later will be garnering more for their countries and not just the top elite like we do.
That’s the calculus of change and it doesn’t have to be that way.
But you haven’t answered the question: why does it have to be done at the expense of the average American worker?
I’ll ask the question another way: Why does production by American companies necessitate the use of slave wage workers in China? And not only China.
This is simple exploitation Asoka. American workers are not the only ones suffering. These foreign workers are used and abused and crippled by overwork. By American companies Asoka. Understand Asoka?
Do you remember when immigrants used to come to the USA because of the higher wages they could earn here? When US wages were the envy of the world? When a good-paying US job was something people used to do just about anything to get? – DJ
Yeah actually I do remember.
Yeah actually I do remember.
Me too! Rhino
Paul Krugman is most certainly an idiot – and a myopic one, at that. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t paid attention to his ravings in the last decade. His most recent comments are nothing new. I was glad to see this remark from James.
You see Asoka words matter and the trouble with this internet thing is that it transmits words which convey ideas many of which are nonsensical and/or destructive. Understand so far?
Elrond Hubbard’s reply to Vlad applies to you too so I’ll quote him:
“Because the consequences of letting the likes of you get out of control are unacceptable to civilized people.”
You see Asoka what you are doing in playing the clown/provocateur (or whatever your game is) is to advocate for the interests of the 1%.
Third world people according to you should be happy to get slave wage work, American workers should be happy also with their increasing impoverishment.
Big question Asoka: who benefits? I would submit that it’s the 1%.
So back to my original question some weeks back:
Why do you advocate for the interests of the 1%?
Give it up, CFT. Rhino is addicted to me. He can’t resist responding to them. So dialog continues.
I can’t wait to hear him explain why American workers deserve 25% of the world’s resources. Now that the jobs are being done by Chinese and Indians he is not so happy about that. He is angry.
You mean back when unions were strong? Yes, I remember that time. Who voted in Reagan? Who voted in both Bushes? Who destroyed the unions? The same “American workers” who now have no jobs.
Yes, clowns are dangerous. You are playing a vital role here on CFN.
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Who voted in Reagan? Who voted in both Bushes? Who destroyed the unions? The same ignorant barbarians who supported the military budget and imperialist wars, the same “American workers” who now have no jobs.
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Yes, clowns are dangerous. You are playing a vital role here on CFN.
I’m just playing… and enjoying your posts.
I can’t wait to hear him explain why American workers deserve 25% of the world’s resources. – asoka
Deserve?
I’m getting the strong impression that you have a very tenuous relationship with the world of work. You know, where you do stuff for somebody. Like make things or build things or provide some service for them. And they pay you.
Never mind, that’s not my main point.
This is my main point: there is a country to the north of the United States. This country is a major producer of goods like oil, natural gas, wheat, potash, lumber. You know, resources. The USA imports roughly 400 billion dollars a year worth of products from this country. Two thirds of the goods imported are things like those I just described.
Guess what ASSOka, those goods are paid for by Americans. Amazed? Did you think they were stolen? And in the end do you know how they’re paid for? By sending from the US roughly the same value of other products that they need north for their use up there. You know, work is done. By people in both countries. Get the picture?
You STILL haven’t answered Asoka.
Why do you advocate for the interests of the 1%?
Rhino, I’m still waiting for you to explain why American workers deserved to consume 25% of the world’s resources, made possible through imperialist wars and the bombing of dozens of countries, which the same American workers carried out as members of the military.
Now those same American workers want to scapegoat others, instead of taking responsibility for their actions, instead of accepting their karma. Blame the immigrants, blame the Chinese and Indians.
Maybe your karma is to fight back.
Join OWS. Join ACLU and CCR. Organize labor unions. Fight for a repeal of Citizens United.
Vote for Jill Stein and support the Green Party.
(does that sound like I’m shilling for the 1%?)
I am going to have lunch with Q. I’ll be back later.
I’m still waiting for your response, Rhino.
So you’re saying that workers were fooled by an elite who bullshitted them, who promised that if things were done their way ie free, unfettered markets, low taxes etc that good times would abound, that jobs would be plentiful? And can we agree that it wan’t only Reagan and Bush and the Republicans but also academics that talked the dame talk?
So those people you so hold in contempt, you know, the ones with pitchforks and nooses and tattoos and firearms, are/were stupid and they had it coming?
Is that what you’re saying Asoka?
“dame talk” – correction should be “same talk.’
Don’t want any women posters/readers to think I’m dumping on them.
lights shining brilliantly down at the local precinct amidst amidst the squalor and darkness surrounding it
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Maybe. But can you imagine them fat nazi idiots in their american nazi police uniforms without their nazi police cars? And it would be a VERY simple matter to target the nazi pigs cars with petrol bombs and disable them. No nazi police cars, no nazi police force.
Read my response above Asoka at 1:26 pm.
Canada is the USA’s biggest trading partner last time I looked and I haven’t heard about any imperialist American bombing in Canada nor have I heard about American troops committing atrocities on Vancouver Island nor have I heard any reports of US forces taking control of the oil sands.
Have you?
thought of another home- remedy i know from experience works: year or two ago i had a very painfull ear infection…since i haven t insurance, and already knew of the healing properties of white sugar: my mother had a cat years ago who had a rather large gash on his head…she packed sugar in it and with repeated applications it healed…so i warmed up some almond oil (not necessary to the recipe), mixed it with sugar (yes, plain old white sugar) and packed it in my ear…over night the stuff expanded out (gross color) and i felt like my ear was healing- pain was greatly reduced, and i no longer felt as if i was dying
Join OWS. Join ACLU and CCR. Organize labor unions. Fight for a repeal of Citizens United.
Vote for Jill Stein and support the Green Party.
(does that sound like I’m shilling for the 1%?) – Asoka
You say third world people should be happy with their shitty lot in horrible sweatshops and American workers should be happy and gracefully accept their impoverishment. And by implication close their eyes to the enrichment of the 1%.
It sure sounds like you’re advocating for the 1%. Are you?
Have you ever worked in one of those Chinese electronics sweatshops Asoka? How about an Indian textile shop? I’d wager that you’d last about half a day. Am I wrong about that too?
what i meant above was that one does not have to use almond oil; i m sure any cooking oil would work…anyway the process worked like a charm and most assuredly did not cost me anything besides what i already had…
Honey is an ancient disinfectant for wounds. Also maggots are good too – let them eat the infected part away. Life is pretty grotesque isn’t it?
You were talking about Bernanke ——— “he and his crony vultures have decided that it is all unsustainable and this is the last cycle; that they might as well get as much out of us now as possible before we truly (violently) object to the gang-rape.
Basically i agree but you give him far too much credit. We here are always trying to figure things out and put ourselves in other peoples heads. Often it winds up being a big mistake because it leads us totally in the wrong direction. Everybody here does it including me. We imagine a morality where there is none. Not everybody thinks the same way.
Bernanke may not know that this is the last cycle and if he does know it does not mean that it means anything to him. Bernanke is part of the plutocracy and we are not. Our tribe is not his tribe. His tribe uses our tribe for their benefit. There is nothing at all in his mind to justify. To him this is the natural order of things and he’s all set up. The most important thing for Bernanke is to keep Things the way they are. This means the 1% stays the 1%, membership does not change and he’s one of them. Anybody here know his net worth?
The 1% will get by with as much as we let them which sadly turns out to be quite a bit. Nothing ever really trickles down and the privileged takes as much as they can. The plutocracy does not see the world or our future in the same way we do. We could demand a fair and sustainable meritocracy but that would take balls leadership and spirit.
If you’ve watched “lifting the Veil’ you would know the 1% is really 0.1%. Most of the 1% can actually pass for human on a good day but the 0.1% flies first class or in private jets and are proud of the low mileage their engine heavy cars get. The 0.1% see nothing wrong with burning as much as they can and never will. They will make sure that they burn the last gallon and we don’t. Somebody has to do it and it may as well be them. That’s how they think.
The fact that another way of life could mean the survival of humanity means nothing to them. Another way of life for them would mean giving up a privileged life which is unthinkable. Baubles define their existence. This could be the last cycle or the cat could have nine lives. I favor the last cycle hypothesis but the behavior and attitude of the privileged would be no different regardless of their opinion of the last cycle hypothesis.
People with views like mine created America and the West. Femininst leftist weenies like you are unworthy of the heritage bequeathed to us. I’m unworthy too btw – at least I acknowledge it and do my small part to educate people about how much we’ve lost – and been stolen from us. And how the way forward is backwards for awhile – back to where we went wrong.
Have you seen James Stewart’s movie “Harvey”? You are henceforth a pooka, an invisible rabbit.
Actually, Rhino, in my view Asoka has a point. We who live in the rich world enjoy a far greater than pro rata share of the Earth’s resources, and by strict accounting identity, that has to come out of the share enjoyed by people in the poor world. I think you miss a contradiction in your position when you point out on the one hand that you once lived in a country where people were happy on $100 a month, while complaining on the other that workers in China, India and elsewhere are being exploited, and all the while questioning why this has come at the expense of American workers.
The answer to all of the above is that Americans and the West in general have benefited over the years from an enormous wealth conveyance system accumulated over time, which is now slowing or even going into reverse. America used to be a creditor nation, but over the past few decades the balance has shifted in favour of China and other developing countries. Both sides of the equation are reverting to the mean, in other words, getting closer to meeting in the middle. The process is driven by an interaction between: the dynamics of capitalism, chasing percentages with the regularity of a cellular automaton, in an environment of (temporary) energy abundance where exponential growth is (again, temporarily) possible; mass decisions by large populations either to accumulate their share of the economic surplus or spend themselves into debt for consumption’s sake; and (c) the machinations of elite decision makers in government and finance, the so-called 1%.
No the women will come crawling to us for protection and food. And with what will they pay for these, Hmm? Feminism dies on the Day. Gird thy loins brother and prepare.
Elrond was only half elven. Half breeds can be good if both halves are. Hubbard was a swine though. So you are half bad.
Now those same American workers want to scapegoat others, instead of taking responsibility for their actions, instead of accepting their karma. Blame the immigrants, blame the Chinese and Indians. – Asoka
Accept their karma? Yeah sure. So American workers have no right to be angry do they Asoka? They should smilingly accept their worsening lot. Right?
Then what was this stuff you spewed about joining unions?
Of course multinational businesses are blameless. And also their shareholders. Aren’t they Asoka? And the politicians and academics that give them legal and ideological cover. Right Asoka?
I don’t really know who to blame more, people executing economically/financially/socially destructive policies or people that advocate on behalf of those that benefit from those destructive policies.
Who do I blame more Asoka? Who do I hold to account for this?
I think you miss a contradiction in your position when you point out on the one hand that you once lived in a country where people were happy on $100 a month – Elrond
I didn’t live in such a country. Asoka said he lived in such a country.
I have relatives that grew up in dire poverty overseas and suffered terribly. There’s NO happiness in poverty and deprivation.
Your lower parts are really salivating for those Vogon road crews. Meanwhile you study your Vogon/English dictionary – can’t wait to say “I’m with the crew”.
Someone has to dominate – why not us the founders of this Nation? Why give it to aliens or minorities, or the whole grievance coalition of Women, Blacks, Browns, Yellows, etc. What a nightmare they have raised up against us. And yes our Women have been secuced into supporting all this against us. As if they and not us can give them the lifestyle they crave. Stupid.
The same with the Big Dig in Boston – they used inferior concrete and it leaks. Amazing. No self respect at all, no pride in workmanship. No Chinese needed, just a bidding war, a Capitalist race to the bottom.
Things really have changed. We never would have gotten this far if Capitalism had always been this bad. There used to be values and self respect as well. A moral context in which profit was just one of the values.
Murmurations…? That and more will be going on as its Davos time again, from tomorrow folks!
So private jets will be buzzing the ‘usual suspects’ over to Klosters right now… for the global elite’s supreme annual networking experience… courtesy of the WEF. The meta-theme being: The Great Transformation: Shaping New Models.
A few things about this make me chortle… one is they are going to discuss shaping new models to control everyone… (for our own good obviously)… and theirs too. Though for any current or looming new key govt decision maker walking the talk… is getting nastier, harder and more difficult to do… as the non-negotiable nasty stuff accumulates.
Buzz words abound: hard power, hierarchical power, soft power, the importance of being on message… global togetherness, (sounds cosy)… micro-entrepreneurship, and transitions from capitalism to talentism.
However, importantly it’s all about how to develop new business models, as I guess there ‘twigging’ that the current ones are dying, i.e. how can a few keep on new rapping and robbing the planet?
These last two para’s are key:
‘To respond to the expectations of the young generation, we have to provide them with the hope and confidence that they will not have to pay for the mistakes and excesses of the present generation. There is a tipping point where velocity, interconnectivity and complexity become so pervasive that the whole system collapses, regardless of whether certain elements at the surface have been addressed.
The Annual Meeting 2012 in Davos is the place where we must – individually and collectively – have the foresight, the commitment and collaborative power to shape the new models needed to safeguard our global future, and to respond to the expectations and hopes of the hundreds of millions of people who presently feel left out.’
Me thinks they seem a tad nervous of the burgeoning, listless young underclass…
The ad looks good btw, (look away Vlad) women and people of colour abound…
http://www.weforum.org/global-leadership-fellows
Though don’t bother to go serious protesting if GIABO aware you be, thousands of Swiss soldiers and police have been shovelling snow to erect a ‘ring of steel’ against unwelcome demonstrators, and the forum centre, well not even the white badge clad wives, mistresses or even high class call girls are allowed in there.
But I’m sure there will be lots of MSM TV ops at the igloo ‘protest’ village site, well out of harms way… or nicely packaged and controlled.
Though one banner of note reads: “If voting could change anything it would be illegal”… I wonder if that will make a tracking shot?
However the one thing I’ll look out for with some relish will be a keynote speech from Niall Ferguson re: Breakthrough Ideas for revitalizing Europe… (no less)
Here’s a snippet of his coming thinking…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtLcalkHgyA
Toodle-pip
You’re right, there’s blame to go around.
But I heap it on the people that strut around like know it alls with fancy degrees, that are opinion leaders, that make laws, that tell people what to think, that say do this do that or else, that browbeat people that dissent from obviously destructive practices, that hold their fellow citizens in contempt.
In short I put most of the blame on the 1% ie academics, business leaders, ideologues on both sides of the spectrum, educrats, the political class… the list is a long one but the numbers of people relative to the whole is small.
This calamity that’s unfolding was avoidable and I point the finger on leadership that was and is in a position to see it coming and did see it coming and did nothing to change course.
Sorry about that. Doing this on my phone, it’s easy to get mixed up.
I hear you. I guess the reason why so many people in the Third World are willing to accept such conditions is not because they see their present getting better, but because they see their future getiing better. As a way to get their hands on the excess wealth that we in the West enjoy, it may not be either pretty or fair, but it has this advantage: It’s working for them. That’s likely to change as peak-everything comes to a head, but it’s not the worst thing. And even if the equality balance in the West between the 1% and the 99% were restored to something more like it should be, this other imbalance would still exist as a separate question. That’s why I don’t perceive Asoka to be quite the shill for the 1% that you do. You should give him a break.
Loathsome.
It came to me the other day – you grew up watching reruns of The Avengers. Your whole character has been twisted in your desire to be Emma Peel. Not many women could pull that off for very long – nor could society bear the burden of such a thing. Women have to take off the Leather Cat Suits and get busy breeding – instead of outsourcing it to Muslims or Mexicans in our case.
It used to be called marriage before the State empowered young Women to have children out of wedlock. And then acts outraged when a Mormon sect does the same thing – but without asking for handouts. Also they were so so White.
What’s really sad or loathsome is Women trying to get married and have children in their 40’s. But you are so out of touch with Nature that all your values are twisted and you don’t realize that.
If you want to support homeless women without asking for anything in return go ahead. It would just make you a sucker and a fool. I don’t believe that of you – just that you’re a hypocrite.
Who do I blame more Asoka? Who do I hold to account for this?
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Oy vey! Now I’m Asoka the psychic?
I’m supposed to read your mind?
You tell me. Who do you blame?
You tell me: did you vote for Reagan and the Bushes?
You tell me: have you supported the union movement for workers to have collective bargaining and rights in the workplace?
There’s NO happiness in poverty and deprivation.
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Right. We agree. Happiness is not related to economics. That was my experience of happy people who lived in what most North Americans would call poverty.
You can’t see this by visiting a country for a few days and then making a superficial judgement, as some on CFN have done, that the place is a “shithole,” thus insulting their country.
You have to stay in one place for years, learn the language, get to know the people, work with them, dance with them, cry with them, attend funerals with them, break bread with them, build houses with them. I have done all these things. That’s how you I know that their joy is genuine and is unrelated to money. What is your experience of Third World poverty?
Happiness can be with or without money. There have been many surveys of happiness and the countries that come out on top are not the rich countries. They are places like Brazil and Colombia.
It’s amazing that nazi scum like VLAD have the hutzpah to dictate to others what their personal choice should be. When to get married, who to get married to, to have kids, when to have kids, etc. Or dictate to others what their political choice should be. Who to vote for, and on and on. What’s even more amazing is that people entertain this degenerate nazi scum. You people must be really really bored.
2009 Happy Planet Index Top 10
1 Costa Rica 76.1
2 Dominican Republic 71.8
3 Jamaica 70.1
4 Guatemala 68.4
5 Vietnam 66.5
6 Colombia 66.1
7 Cuba 65.7
8 El Salvador 61.5
9 Brazil 61.0
10 Honduras 61.0
It’s possible that many women have been media influenced by character such as Pussy Galore, Emma Peel, Wonder Woman, female super heroines and no doubt more recently Lara Croft…
But why should this make us twisted?*
And why do you insist on reducing us back to basics with solely children, kitchen and church as our domains to exclusively focus on – catholic values for sure – and while on the subject of faith… how’s the flirting at Sunday mass going?
As the modern woman’s lifestyles been around for a fair few decades now… me thinks Vladdie darling your quest for putting the Genie back into the bottle’s falling on deaf wombs for now… even over there in the third world…
Which it would seem Europe and the USA too if ‘economic’ thinking isn’t altered soon we’ll be heading toward that status… our glory days well behind us.
(And I do blame the whitest privileged male leadership for that)
As to mass breeding a new USA super race, surely it’s a case of less = more… but of course you’ll need a high quality male iQ input for that…
(Grown saturated fat on Taco Bell, MacD’s Coke and Pepsi… eeerrgh no I think not, I know of few bachelors that like to cook from scratch btw)
But at the higher end of the spectrum… who knows… maybe?
(*And note to self, stop engaging in dialogue with CFN’ reprobate’s)
The happiest country in one of those surveys was
Denmark. A wealthy country with more than adequate social services, health care, an economic safety net, and a wealth of super models. They pay high taxes but actually get something for them instead of their taxes propping up a dying military empire.
Humble Harv
The Happy Planet Index shows that around the world, high levels of resource consumption do not reliably produce high levels of well-being, and that it is possible to produce high well-being without excessive consumption of the Earth’s resources. It also reveals that there are different routes to achieving comparable levels of well-being. The model followed by the West can provide widespread longevity and variable life satisfaction, but it does so only at a vast and ultimately counter-productive cost in terms of resource consumption.
This is where we should be going: voluntary energy descent, simpler lifestyle, less income, less consumption of the Planet’s resources, and more happiness.
It’s up to us. Move any money you might have out of the big banks, stop buying cheap crap, invest more quality time with your loved ones. Tune in, turn on, drop out. Boomers got that right.
Vlad:We never would have gotten this far if Capitalism had always been this bad.
You got that right, Vlad. This is the one topic that we agree on.
Yes, Harvey, I read that survey, too. It did not take into account the level of efficiency in terms of resource consumption.
All the top ten in the survey you refer to were developed countries with the most resources but they did not combine environmental impact with human well-being to measure the environmental efficiency with which, country by country, people live long and happy lives.
The Happy Planet Index strips the view of the economy back to its absolute basics: what we put in (resources), and what comes out (human lives of different length and happiness).
No one *wants* to entertain Vlad. But he’s not the worst troll this place has seen, the PTB on CFN see fit to let him keep spewing, and I for one am not interested in trying to censor him, so the remaining option is to take him down on the merits. No doubt he feels like he wins either way, but then, who gives a shit what he thinks? The world is a better place with him effectively opposed than otherwise. There’s ways the hope that one day he’ll give up.
I just wanted to add that the ever-insightful Yves Smith had some interesting observations on this topic over the weekend:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/01/new-york-times-tells-us-only-chinese-near-slave-labor-could-handle-steve-jobs-demands.html
In Vlad’s world view, the idea of women with power or authority — even over themselves, much less a man, much less political or other office — is twisted by definition. This includes women with powerful role models, whether fictional or otherwise. He wants ’em all trampled underfoot: dependents, not equals.
Thanks for that article. I found this sentence to be interesting, the opposite of CFN wisdom.
Everyone on CFN is always saying it’s the wages, that we can’t compete with the Chinese wages. Maybe we just aren’t as smart as we think we are, and we can’t compete intellectually, on a planning level, or intellectually on a engineering level. Maybe our educational system is not turning out people with sufficient knowledge to compete at all.
But let’s cut more taxes, then let’s cut even more taxes, then let’s cut spending, and cut spending even more, instead of supporting education, research & development, etc.
Let’s buy more tanks, submarines, and drones. Yeah, we’re number one … militarily. Everyone better respect us or we’ll bomb the shit out of them.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177982
[quote=”Flannel Jesus”]I know what a satire is. Which part is the satire? The part where he writes hundreds of posts alone in his own threads beginning with “skip over this text, I’m just a troll” and ending with “So clearly we should just build humungous sky scrapers all the time!”? Or the part where he said that that sort of thing is a waste of time and not applicable? I personally doubt that either of them were not meant seriously, but I could be mistaken.[/quote]
Hey, Jesus, Son of Man, King of the Jews, are you sick in the head or what ?!?! I am dead serious, no sarcasm here, there is no other way to create millions of jobs that are needed worldwide: huge public private projects, the FED and BCE and BANK OF JAPAN and BANK OF ENGLAND must print trillions of dollars and just pay for it all and hire, baby hire!
I don’t give two *cks and a d*ck if th private parts make trillions in profit, who cares, they deserve it since they are creating jobs and creating large scale projects for the common good; there is no other solution, nothing else is applicable, there are no special skill sets, small businesses or startups that can ever match the amount of work generated by such huge projects.
And then, Jesus ph*kng Christ, are you and every one else who reads my crap all day long and have been reading it and studying it all very carefully for years all thick heads ?!?! I have been repeating this BS for years, over and over again and it still doesn’t get in all of your thick heads ?!?!? I can’t believe it….and then I am the one they say is crazy, go figure…
THE APE
Here’s the background for the agenda Asoka is peddling: the U.N’s Agenda 21 for sustainable development – bascially a scheme to eliminate private property and to “equalize” the West with the 3rd World. Basically like Communism, a conspiracy that uses human idealism to concentrate all wealth and power into a very few hands. Asoka and Wage are sincere but misguided and don’t realize this. Part of the problme is their hatred for Whites and the Rich that blinds their wisdom eye.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Marquardt/kathleen103.htm
Fuck you yehudi. You are nothing without us – whereas we would be fine and more without you. Parasite.
LOL!
Vlad, you and Rhino better get your story straight. You say I’m scheming to eliminate private property. Rhino says I’m a spokesman for the 1%
I think you guys are hilarious! A very bad vaudeville act.
I read a book about the science of happiness. They found Bhutan very happy as well as Iceland. Community was the most important along with having enough to eat etc. Beyond that wealth wasn’t important.
Bhutan is a Monarchy so there goes all the political idealism as well. They are just begining to get Western Media – which will no doubt be a disaster in terms of happiness.
The United States wasn’t found to be very happy. Too much rushing. Switzerland is better because of the slow pace and that makes for more community etc. Moldavia was the least happy: Communism detroyed all Community and imported in huge number of Russians whom the people hated and envied. Now they have Western Values and feel resentment and self hatred because they don’t have what they see on TV.
Such a curse Communism is. How much suffering has it caused. Yes they still keep believing and saying “next time it will be different…”.
Easily resolved: the 1% will own all “public property” as in medevial times when no could in hunt in the Kings forest except the King and Nobles.
CORRECTION
Yeah, we’re number one … militarily. Everyone better respect us or we’ll bomb the shit out of them.
And Americans are so happy. NOT
Their wealth has made them happy. NOT
Americans are bored materialists who don’t even know the difference between happy, content, ecstatic, blissful, delighted, euphoric, joyous, etc. They live superficial lives, thinking if they only had more money they would be happy. NOT.
There’s ways the hope that one day he’ll give up.
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Not a chance.
VLAD is playing a very duplicitous game, driven by an ego of a dupe that knows that it’s been played. What you need to know and understand about VLAD is that he’s a Vatican Sith. All his ideas come and originate from the Vatican/Jesuits. But what VLAD wishes and deny, lie, and obfuscate, is the fact that EVERYTHING which he protests also comes and originates from the Vatican/Jesuits. He wishes to deny and hide this with propaganda and lies, but he knows the score. And he knows that basically he’s a dupe that’s been played by his masters, but his ego wont allow to admit it.
So the role of Robin Hood is open for you?
No, taking from the rich and giving to the poor is too much like communism for you.
CORRECTION
Americans live superficial lives, thinking if they only had more money they would be happy. NOT.
They should have listened to the boomer hippies. Then we’d have communes, not nuclear family suburbs, we’d have community not isolation, we’d have reasonable and energy efficient shared housing (or co-housing with common buildings) instead of energy hogging McMansions in the ‘burbs, etc.
Yes this ideal’s been around for a few decades – and how has the West fared during these same for decades, hmmm? Has our birth rate kept up? How has marriage fared? How are the children doing? It is to laugh Alex.
Why not? Because this ideal doesn’t fit women but for a few. It shouldn’t be the popular ideal because it leads to unhappiness. Women want security far more than adventure; to create a nice nest with a man who will take care of them and the children.
I didn’t say any – some women want freedom more than marriage. Their own business and if married, no kids. I’m fine with that. Why torture people and make everyone get married. It just means that the ones who do marry have to have more children though – and should get tax breaks the singles or no kids couples don’t get.
If you fit the Emma Peel mode, more power to you. Just don’t argue it for all girls or many at all. Enjoy yourself and respect the common people whose labor makes your life possible – and serve the common good. The Elite should serve the People not torment them unto death and then start bringing in a whole new population to rule. All of which has been done under Labor and the Democratic Party over here.
The Anglo American Elite will go down in History as one of the worst in all of human History. They will be seen as monsters before the end of this century by everyone. The rest of the world already sees it. As do Russia and China who are ready to allie against Oceania in the next war.
“Did you know that Flad lives in a trailer someplace, lives off disabilty, and dresses in womens underwear?
During the summers he’s a rodeo clown at the local carnival, and part of his act is to get kicked in the head by a donkey.
Its really, REALLY funny, the kids just love it.
“Make the donkey kick the clown again daddy!” And for only a $1, you can too!! Flad makes hundreds of dollars a day this way!! Quite amazing.
Then he spends it all on meth-whores and really, really cheap booze.
So, don’t take what he says at all seriously, he’s been kicked in the head by that dang donkey thousands of times now.
The kids just love it!! Remember, only a $1!”
Yep, ol’ Flad has been kicked in the head one too many times…..
But hay, its only a $1, go for it…
(But also, you wanna know what he does with the donkey after midnight? That will cost you $5).
😉
Hey, DeeJones. Did you see Costa Rica is #1 on the 2009 Happy Planet Index? Congratulations!
Your country of choice is the most ecologically responsible and produces the most happiness, most efficiently, in terms of resource consumption.
The Planet is happy about that!
Rhino, I’m still waiting for you to explain why the tattooed, beer drinking, NASCAR, military-supporting, pro-war, anti-Iran, anti-Taliban American workers deserve to continue to consume 25% of the Planet’s resources when they are only 6% of the world’s population.
Karma’s a bitch.
But American workers earned their comeuppance with their unsustainable bellicose lifestyle. It’s payback time. Now they get to be Third World for a while. It is a blessing in disguise. Believe me.
Asoka, I believe your assessment is accurate generally. Things are changing gradually and thus it is hard to observe.. An awakening is taking place. The more shaking (suffering) the the more the waking.
Satisfying the craving either doesn’t happen or, when it does, no lasting happiness accrues. So, one suffers and seeks an escape. And what is that escape: a different craving. This is being caught up in the delusions of the ephemeral world.
Seek a better way.
Now that we’re together again – it’s time for you to express how you feel about men’s rights. Do you affrirm that men have the right to life, liberty, and happiness? And that they don’t have to give up their seats in lifeoboats for women?
That’s bullshit list – part of the discredited globalist agenda. Happiness does not come from living under an oppressive bureacracy – which is what they want for us.
The Elders of Zion admired the Jesuits as some of the few gentiles who could match them in wits. See the Protocols. I therefore take you nonsense allegation as a compliment.
The West sought outer freedom, the East inner. But like the Yin/Yang symbol, you need a bit of the one to have the other. The Scriptures advise Yogis to settle in the realm of a good King. Only in such a peaceful place will they have the chance to cultivate their inner freedom.
And we are losing our Outer Freedom because we didn’t have enough inner freedom. Instead of thinking and voting resonsibly, we frittered it away with games, toys, and distractions.
Ha! you’re funny, Vlad
You sure don’t let things go, do you?
Take a deep breath and let your argument with Alexandra go. You’ll feel a weight off your shoulders.
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As I said we have a common distain for globalism and neoliberalism.
Actually, the greatest bloodshed the world had seen in the 19th century was a series of insurrections in China. China was a pretty advanced place. Their population was at least 300 million. British merchants got sick of sending so much silver to China in trade for silk and fancy curios for rich british folks. So they started peddling Opium. Britain beat up the monarchy a few times and flooded China with Opium. Many Chinese were indignant at this, and rebelled against their government. Britain sided with the government. After twenty million to sixty million dead, the rebellions fizzled out until other ideologies inspired the people 50 years later to “take back their country”.
… And back to the subject at hand (energy) prognosticators and experts on CNBC, Bloomberg, in the WSJ and IBD are all over the place in regard to oil futures … some say $150 per barrel this summer, others say $40. And they all have facts to back up their predictions. Just goes to show you how hard it is to predict anything, especially the future, even the near future.
One thing is for sure, tho, Natural Gas is suddenly cheap & plentiful, and getting cheaper. Does that fact make any of you CFNers more optimistic?
–WSP7
How to save America in a few useful steps:
Abolish the Dept. of Education. Education is a province of the state, not the National government. Federal dollars are wasted in public schools on redundant, unnecessary programs that attempt to re-invent the wheel. Children who cannot behave in school should not be permitted re-entry without the presence of their parents each and every day, without question.
End foreign wars. Period. Get the heck out of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., etc. They don’t want us there and our sons and daughters don’t need to go there to shoot, be shot at, or behave indecently towards Muslims.
End “free trade”. It’s killed our manufacturing base by off shoring all industry. Slave labor is supported by the West when we buy trinkets like Apple Iphones, etc. The middle class is just beginning to get a taste of what the blue collar and working class has been facing for 30 odd years. Diminishing wages and vanishing jobs.
If you decide to have children, please do so only if you’re financially able to provide for them. Being a stay-at-home mom will help you bond with your kids, not a day care rep.
Lower the age of Social Security to 60 so that we can clear up some jobs for the younger set.
End the Dept. of Agriculture, which forces out small farmers and favors big Agra firms.
Abolish Freddie and Fannie…enought said.
Abolish federally guaranteed student loans. The cost of a college degree these days is insane and is making our children debt slaves forever.
Just a few musings. Add a few if you care.
Kramps
I do not understand this building a pipeline from Canada to Southeast Texas.
If we’re going to import this much oil from Alberta, it should be refined in the northern states. states that border Canada and/or the Great Lakes. build the Refineries in the north.
Assuming their isn’t some Kunstleriffic Catastrophic Collapse! 😉
While on the subject of letting go… twill be interesting to see what Team Obama, have come up with for Barack’s ‘State of the Union’ chat in a few hours or so…. ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9ArTbJquk&
Everyone playing by the same rules (cough) apart from the chaps on WallSt… The disappearing middle-class, no surely not?
And he’s suggesting you get together with your tribe, community (insert the group of your choice) to watch it together… so it will be me and Steed then, hunched over the B&W TV, me in the latex catsuit/boots… having just popped down to the shops for our breakfast eggs in the Lotus.
*giggles*
So perhaps his hacks have been reading this here Kunster blog… to get some tips and advice… re the reveal later of finally a sustainable future focused America yippee, oh yeah and the war with Iran’s off…
Ha…
And that’s Mrs. Peel to you Mr. Krandz, though deliberately appealing to mens weaker natures is not a game I personally choose to play…
But enough of tittle-tattle, stand by yer beds Yanks, your commander-in-chief request’s your rapt presence…
I haven’t been watching the Repugs debates since they are all so twisted and I’m even wondering whether I want to waste my time on Obama, since its going to be the same old, same old. We shall see.
BTW I liked your post on Davos. There latest greatest ideas are not gonna help them.
” Things really have changed. We never would have gotten this far if Capitalism had always been this bad. There used to be values and self respect as well. A moral context in which profit was just one of the values.”
Very true. I remember the days when sober, strategic contractors would frown upon a bid too low. They understood a low-ball price was often a reflection of desperation and an inability to honor a signed contract. In other words, bad business at the end of the day.
Now a contractor has utilize cheap foreign labor just to be able to compete in the bidding process, even on Govt contract jobs.
“Your country of choice is the most ecologically responsible and produces the most happiness, most efficiently, in terms of resource consumption.
The Planet is happy about that!”
Thanks, things do seem pretty happy here.
Its the Costa Ricans tho. They are a pretty balanced people.
🙂
“Do you affrirm that men have the right to life, liberty, and happiness?”
And do YOU agree that Women have the same exact and equal right?
You do, why thanks! Oh, wait, we don’t need your approval. So go to hell.
🙂
” do not understand this building a pipeline from Canada to Southeast Texas.
If we’re going to import this much oil from Alberta, it should be refined in the northern states. states that border Canada and/or the Great Lakes. build the Refineries in the north.”
Well, one: There aren’t any refineries up North.
Two, new refineries are VERY expensive, and in fact a new one hasn’t been built in quite a long time.
Plus the oil co’s don’t see a very good long term investment on them for some reason. Like, they expect the oil to run out someday? The nerve!
Aren’t we Drilling, baby, drilling?
😉
Hey now! The laddie reveals himself as some shit-stain by the name of Jesse Walters. A few of his deeper “thoughts” on women are to be found here:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/im-more-of-a-breast-man-and-completely-worthless-h,27152/
Enjoy! What a guy…
while i agree with most of your post, i ve never understood doing away with the various depts which don t give us the desired result…ex: why not abolish high school, with it s cliques and rigid study plan; to be replaced after middle school with a collegiate format, almost like a voluntary trade school, if you will…i say reform the beauracracy throughout the governmental apparati; not the functions designed to help…how about use the dept of ag to help small farmers compete with corporations…
Pura vida!
In South America everybody kept talking about “rumba” and I thought it was a dance, but it turned out “rumba” is a general term meaning “we are going to dance all night just for the fun of it.” Every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night in “los sitios” there would be “rumba” from 9 pm (after it cools dow to 75 degrees) until 3 am (when by law city establishments had to close). Then people would caravan to the places just outside the city limits and continue the “rumba” until 6 or 7 a.m.
If the “rumba” happened in a person’s house, you would be expected to dance until you couldn’t dance anymore, crash and sleep there, have breakfast, and continue dancing.
The Global South is a bit different from the work-obssessed, profit-obsessed, capitalistic work ethic of North America. People know how to have fun and are hospitable. Jokes, laughter, love of music and sharing music are the order of the day for people aged 6 to 96. Life is relaxed and fun and communal.
I do affirm equal rights – but not equality. We have to conform to Nature and not try to force “Her” to conform to us. Trying to make girls as interested in sports as boys is an example of the latter. Taking funds away from boys sports to do this is an example of the wrong approach, – a false forced equality or sameness.
If we can’t agree (the basis of any culture) than we have to pull out of public schools and other public instituions. How bad have things gotten? They actually have White teachers crying and feeling guilty because Blacks continue to fail – as if it’s their fault!
It’s unfinished business. The ledger is not balanced. Only you can balance it.
Mika –
You do realize that you speak of “Vatican Siths” with more disdain and hate, than Vlad expresses for those “you know who’s” of his.
Just for a little background I did a Google search for “Vatican Sith.” That returns only 43 hits, so the Vatican must be very good at hiding its Siths, I suppose.
Here’s an interesting webpage, in that it does mention the “vatican” and a “sith” in the same reference.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Benedict_XVI
What a desperate vile creature you are – reading liberal filth like the Onion and then pretending I’m the writer. Have you no shame?
For decades the Mika’s of the World have been slandering Pius the 12th as an accomplice of the Nazis. In fact, he let thousands of Jews take refuge in Vatican City and wrote Encyclicals against National Socialism. Many prominent Jews thanked him for this, but a contingent of them just couldn’t let go of it and continue their campaign of slander in the face of all evidence.
Many Catholic Priests died in the Camps – they had often opposed the Regime which didn’t tolerate such civil resistance. Met’s equation of Catholicism and Nazism is madness as a moment’s googling reveals.
As for me, I’m caught in the middle here as I see value in both philosophies, though I reject some of the brutality of National Socialism (some of the brutality never happened, other parts were part of the war and the critics don’t accuse the Allies and Russians at all) Likewise, I reject the corruption of Vatica Two Catholicism and it’s tolerance of the Homosexual Cult in its midsts.
Sith? Is that what I think it is – something from Star Wars?
Vogueing with the Vogons! And Asoka plays the zither.
What is Davos? I don’t like the idea of you ladies being someplace wihhout me. Of course now the chorus chimes in with screams – “Stalker”! No it’s love!
I used to like the old show the Nightstalker. I identified with Karl Kolchak and his fight against the forces of the night.
Big solar storm. Just a fore runner for the giant ones to come towards 12/22/12. The internet will go down and we’ll be alone in the dark, freezing in the dark. Work now to effect righteousness, for the Night comes when no man shall labor.
Just for a little background I did a Google search for “Vatican Sith.” That returns only 43 hits, so the Vatican must be very good at hiding its Siths, I suppose.
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It’s called full spectrum dominance. They control the money. They control the corporations. They control the government. They control the military. They control the flow of information. They control the cultural programming. They have lulled people to sleep by way of time, ignorance, and the elimination of rivals. They killed millions if not billions of people, and they are preparing the grounds to dwarf the barbarism of their previous insanity and bloodlust. The age of endarkenment is now.
How to save America in a few useful steps:
Whatever lotus your eating must really be good.
Care to share?
“You see Asoka what you are doing in playing the clown/provocateur (or whatever your game is) is to advocate for the interests of the 1%.”
-rhino-
I am enjoying watching you win this latest battle of wits with a.. I will offer only one small difference of opinion. Many of asoka.’s positions do favor the interests of the 1% over the interests of US citizens. But I think this is unintentional on his part.
Asoka. is so full of hate for the US – and so eager to see the US taken down a peg, that he advocates for terrorist nuclear attacks on US soil, for uncontrolled immigration – and other bizarre positions born of his hate.
He claims that he is an elderly black man, justified in his hate because of discrimination he experienced in the 1950’s and early ’60’s.
I doubt this.
Regardless, I feel sorry for anyone who has spent as much time as he has, for 7 years, on a blog like this one.
Normal behavior, this is not.
Turk called me a monster the day Gabby Giffords was shot – implying that I had done it. These punx are hilarious.
I’ve met Blacks like him – it’s possible that he’s legit. Their hatred makes them anti-White rather than pro-Black. That’s no uncommon at all though Asoka’s passion and breadth of learning is. That’s always been my point to you: the will is a mystery. The most capable Blacks, the smartest, the ones most able to climb and attain the American Dream – often hate America and want to tear it down. They don’t accept your apology and they will never forgive Whites. That’s why separation is the only answer.
first off, i m not espousing forced mixing, but since we are all here with each other now, doesn t it seem what leads to hatred and mistrust is that isolation? and that it is a one-way proposition? think about this: these inner city conclaves of black kids hate because they don t feel like part of our society, and i don t care if they re right or not, that s how they feel; your attitude can only make things worse- and i submit that your separatist idea would only make a final reckoning worse…
Oh? When did that happen? Who is Mr Peel? Who is your steed?
It hasn’t worked Charlie. It’s not going to work. We’re not omnipotent. And there’s only such much violence we can take without taking action. We’ve bent over backwards so far that our back is breaking. But still they hate and refuse to move on. Same thing in South Africa. Ever wonder why there was so little news out of there after the turn over in power? There have been countless atrocities against Whites – and many Blacks now admit things were better for the average Black under White rule.
I support the hater Louis Farakahn. He makes no bones about it and he wants a Nation for American Blacks. I say give it to him. He has some real IQ and Blacks like him could make a go of it. We could help for awhile. But the Monroe Doctrine is in place – hands off to China etc. Once the collapse comes, that wont be an issue nor will we be able to help anymore.
Rememer, I was once a Liberal. They (and other things) changed me. And I’m not alone. They have blown it with us and it’s time for a change. Just doing the same thing for the next 50 years while things get worse as they did in the last 50 is not an option. I mean I know that the PTB want us to all miscegenate, but that aint gonna happen.
Vlad, last night you said I had no specific criticisms of your post. It is hard to be specific when you make such broad based generalizations about the female gender. What I could say, however, is that, even as a male, I see very little hope in re-generating any kind of life, not only biological, but also psychological, without women. I know the tortures that flesh is heir to and how that can lead to cynicism — you seem to have de-mystified women to the point that there is no life left in them, in your experience. There is a great deal of life in women, beyond the obvious. Since we are at a stage when so much re-generation in this dying socieity is needed, women, in new and unique ways, are needed more than ever. I don’t say that to appease women or to dis you. You’ve had some rotten experiences with them, so have I, as have all men. But you are smart and can overcome it. I know you want to. It’s important that we grown men do just that, so that we can stay grown men. Sorry not to be more specific, but if you make more specific comments regarding your experiences with women, and I come across them in here, I will take you up on them. Thanks very much.
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Asoka. is so full of hate for the US
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Yes, you got that right.
The United States consumes a quarter of the world’s resources.
The United States controls the channels of world trade and the institutions of inequality.
The United States squeezes whole nations to death.
What’s not to hate?
With 6 percent of the world’s population, the United States consumes 60 percent of the world’s illegal drugs.
The United States consumes 20% of all metals.
The United States consumes 30% of all paper.
The United States generates almost 75% of total global toxic waste.
I hate all that.
I’m full of hate for the destruction the USA has rained down upon the world’s environment and the world’s peoples, killing millions of civilians, including the intentional starvation of millions of children, and the creation of millions of refugees.
And it feels so good to hate USA violence and USA military adventurism and USA smug air of moral superiority.
Thanks for helping me get all that out, Procon, and for helping me in my cause: a hate-free world.
A hate-filled clown. LOL!
No chance yet to read through all the poasts tonite (only about 1/3 through).
Apparently, according to the pushover Obama himself, “American made energy. … Tonite I’m directing my administration to open more than 75% of our potential offshore oil and gas resources.” Really, fracking, bull-dosing tar sand forests, and mining the melting arctic?!? Wow, talk about a corporate talking head!!! Sarah (and Todd) would be proud – drill, Bay-BEE, *DRILL*!!!
“Very weak metaphor.”
Someone forgot to poast as his sock-puppet Bud (wizer)…
You really don’t do yourself any services, with shit like that, you douche. Regardless of whether you poasted it, or your sock puppet did.
Your crates of master-debate material are almost worthless here – We all know and see, and your tripe doesn’t pull *wool over eyes*…
But hey, enjoy yourself in that duality of Tejican border/Amazon clearcut… Many *friends* to be made, in those zones!!!
In the phenomena of murmuration, 27% of the starlings do not decide to go one direction, while 40% of the starlings decide to go another direction, and some decide to stay home and not vote.
Very weak metaphor. Humans are not starlings.
and Dee called you a ‘looser’ Sunday night.
Who are you? do you have a facebook?
And you were expecting something else? The system created Obama and really who looks much beyond their next trip to Disneyland. Damn few. A crafty move that will get Obama votes and Obama does know how to get votes. He excels at that.
With the so called opposition being a bunch of elephant worshiping idiots who confuse privilege with justice Obama even gets to be portrayed as a progressive liberal on the National Pathetic Radio. It’s enough to make you crazy. But with Republicans being so far beyond the pale it becomes a strange twist of fate.
Business as usual is change we can believe in? Or is it change we can believe in is business as usual? I’d be confused but I don’t see much difference between the two statements so I’m not going to sweat it. Bottom line is that we are all screwed no matter how the cheese gets cut.
We need windmills, lots of them. Jobs and a healthy sustainable environment would also be nice.
So if 75% of our offshore endowment gets used up does that mean that there is only 25% of it left?
Somebody help me here. Inquiring minds want to know.
Since when do people here agree or need to agree?
I welcome a range of opinions!
Do you not support diversity?
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
So going back to the idea that everything is dead except you, then you are the invariant particle as compared to all of the dead variant particles, an invariant in a sea of variants, could also be a definition of an Observer, a Processor: but since that invariant has a free will gadget attached to it, it sees and uses all the variants as tools, as items to manipulate, as words to put together within its language constructing a syntax according to its random, arbitrarily assigned numbers associated to its completely random and arbitrary free will decisions.
But if there a number of point like multiples – instances of the same invariant (a Man Brain for example) within a sea of variants (all the dead points of a volume of space time and all of its possible combinations even if disjoint and separated in disconnected spatial and temporal chunks) you can imagine all of the possible combinations and degrees of variants and invariants point like or diffused, having multiple instances of the same or similar invariants or / and many different invariants (a sea of different designs of Man Brains – a monolithic slab of substance designated as BRAINIUM, that which everything you see conceive, invent, all signals and symbols and sense inputs and pictures and designs are new kinds of brains) and variants that are gradually becoming invariants (hence all dead items that are slowly becoming processors or contraptions that resemble a Man Brain), just like a solid state crystal with each vertex having an atom on it within a sea of electrons (in this case each atom is a brain, or even different new brain designs) or an ocean with each atom of water being a brain or vice versa, each atom of water is the dead variant and the forces moving them are the brains, and so on, every conceivable configuration and mix between dead and alive brains and tools, variants and invariants and maybe transforming themselves into each other constantly or reciprocally becoming a variant and an invariant between each other and all others, and all possible combinations of such entities you can imagine…
Thanks for the pep talk. I can still fall in love even as I realize my own foolishness. There are a few good women I think, but they will go to men higher in rank than me. Such women know their worth as do many qualified men. But most women will work to get what they can by hook or by crook. As society decays and community weakens, standards have fallen and there is no one to keep them in line. At best they can be controlled by shame or external considering. Guilt, is largely beyond them. Men are higher on the average with more having an innate moral sense.
No I feel Facebook is an info gathering tool of the State. I’m still searching for my real Self. Reading about and trying to practice the jhanas of Theravadin Buddhism right now. They say that Buddha studied with the best Hindu Teachers of his day and that the jhana sytem is a reflection of that. Later it was codified in Hindusim as Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.
Jhana is the pali form of dhyana which became somehow Chan in China and Zen in Japan. Jhana has been given the short shrift in the West with people trying to jump to Insight without it. An unwise move for most. But one can understand since the jhanas take alot of time and most of the Teachers of Vipassana haven’t mastered them and can’t teach them. Of course are they qualifed ot teach Vipassana either?
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Interesting to see the difference between Theoretical Physics and Philosophy – Metaphysics:
Theoretical Physics:
Essentially states How far can we take logical and mathematical structures and still make them somehow be tied up to the real physical world, still have some kind of connection, even though very weak or indirect with physical reality ? An example could be Superstring Theory.
Philosophy and Metaphysics:
Essentially states How far can logical and mathematical structures be pushed operating on items as far removed as possible from the physical world, items as abstract, absurd and impossible as possible, hence having zero connection to the real physical world, but still being connected to each other though any form of logic, mathematical or thought processes and sequences ? An example could be the invention of a new state – meaning – concept expressing it as “the square root of the word thought”.
But whereas the theoretical physicist and also the mathematician still has some constraints upon what he can do by some connection, no matter how weak, with the real world, or at least with some possible logic that is somewhat non contradictory and that somewhat still must follow some sense, the metaphysical and philosophical “Inventor” no longer has any constraints whatsoever, is free to investigate anything at all, make up any connections he wants, invent anything he wants, doesn’t have any possible constraint operating upon his tasks. But then items as contradictory and absurd as possible can always be connected to each other or invented, just their existence, their delimitation in our mind, their presence already provides them with a minimum of logical and mathematical structure as in order to exist, in order to contain them in our mind, in order to even speak about them they must at least follow the basic principles of identity and non contradiction..
You can see it as a kind of Content Invariant Machine: it operates the same mental computer program, the same operations (non contradiction, identity principle, some others ?) on any content at all: a Content Independent Machine that generates new content from mixing and matching and combining other older content: only that Theoretical Physics uses content that is somewhat tied to something somewhat real, Metaphysics uses any content at all, nay, the nature of the content is irrelevant, but the more colorful, far out, wild, absurd, the more the content teases our logic and our “Normal and Common Way of Looking at the World”, the better, the more fun Metaphysics can have juggling the oddest possible content and processing it in the oddest possible way, just for fun, just to have fun, just because, “For No Reason at All”.
And, as usual, you can extrapolate the two limiting tasks, put it on a scale, and say that if Theoretical Physics is 10 and Metaphysics is 50, then what is 23 ? what is minus 2000 ? what is plus a trillion and so on, extend and challenge, invent and create, forever (and then, is that scale digital or linear ? is that a gradual transformation of what tasks into another or does each number correspond to something completely different from anything we can conceive and Contain in Our Mind ?…).
President Jomama gave a great speech last night, but unfortunately, the country is still going down the drain pipe to the septic tank. His laundry list of wonderfulness obliviously missed the obvious point that medical costs will continue to spiral out of control since he failed to put through single payer universal coverage in the form of national health insurance, the only thing which could have reined all the greedy doctors and insurance companies in. Hence, since Mr. Jomama is clearly NOT any sort of real socialist that I can relate to I will have to punish him by voting for his opponent whoever that might be. BECAUSE, if I am forced to choose between his version of health care reform and NOTHING I will of course vote for the NOTHING since at least the Republicans weren’t considering fining people for not buying a private product from the god-damned insurance industry. This is what I’ve chosen to fixate on and I don’t give a shit how brilliant he might be with his wonderful pointless speeches.
I own the entire Emma Peel megaset of DVDs but don’t watch them constantly but know that they are there any time I wish to contemplate Mrs. Peel in her black leather cat suit. Anyone who did not grow up wanking off to Mrs. Peel could not possibly have developed into a normal lecherous Anglophile…fair winds and following seas.
Obama went into full campaign mode last night – and you could tell by watching the House chamber that almost every single one of those sum’bitches is ALSO in full campaign mode. It’s going to be a long time until November.
One thing that seems to unite the whole bunch is their Genuflection toward The American Military. There is no longer any “loyal opposition” to be tolerated, anywhere on that subject. Which brings some eerie parallels to another time in history.
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/12/28/a-tale-of-two-cities-weimar-and-washington/
“Neoconservatives frequently eulogize Washington as a new Rome, promising a worldwide empire without end carried on the back of a Pentagon bristling with advanced weaponry. Other observers also cite Rome but are rather more sanguine,..”
-giraldi-
“And it feels so good to hate USA violence and USA military adventurism and USA smug air of moral superiority.” -asoka.-
Glad you got all of that hate out in the open, a..
It seems like a rare burst of clarity and honesty for you, and a long way from your usual equivocation and impedimentation.
You just need to remember that a great deal of the increased US use of world resources is due to population growth due to immigration. Same thing for projection of military force – the larger our population, the more inevitable and bruising this projection becomes to the the rest of the world.
For example, the one version of the DREAM act that even Mittens and Gingrich agree on involves citizenship in exchange for Military Service.
Obama really nailed the throttles to the firewalls last night. “No options are off the table,” he said. He was speaking about Iran – but could just as easily have been speaking about energy policy or the Grow, Grow Corporatism that will dominate what’s left of the future.
Hope. Change. Irony.
Antisoak,
Would love to know where on this blog I have ever stated that I don’t want diversity on this blog. There are some posts that I find distasteful, like one that appeared yesterday with someone threatening JHK.
Otherwise the only other thing I state is that we spend way too much time on race and religion on a site that should be about peak finance energy and sustainability.
Note Vlad: Davos is a yearly get-together for the elite in business and governments around the world who think they can determine the trends. Google it.
Similar to the Bilderbergs.
Re. State of the Union.
Pretty much as I expected. One thing that someone brought up on C-Span this morning. That the San Francisco Bay bridge is being built with Chinese steel and that there is a media blackout about this.
The moderator said he never heard about that and would look into it.
The US always goes with the lowest estimate, but when you’re hiring a contractor to work on your home, you would never take the lowest bid, you would take a medium bid as you realize that the lowest bid could be inferior. Why isn’t this basic logic used in contracting business?
It’s all very fine and good to discuss infrastructure as stimulus, but now when its contracted out globally. It doesn’t help our manufacturing base. So far O’s vision is to hire graduates from our colleges from outside the country, who he says will hire Americans.
This guy’s a dedicated globalist–but so are the Repubs! That’s why they vote for his trade deals without a peep.
Emotional State Machine
The Man Brain usually tries to obtain a steady state of Emotional State: Sometimes high sometimes low but a pretty decent average as in terms of relatively “happy”, but then it always hoses itself, it starts to get itchy, it starts to decrease its Emotional Steady State by lowering it, just because, because it wants Action, it wants More, it wants Different (who knows what it wants ? or does it even want anything ? ), but especially it starts to associate that lowering to some imaginary “reasons”, to some “targets missed”, or it start to create goals and targets, paths, logical and behavioral and interactional (especially social based, free will oppositional based as in opposing other free will gadgets to see if you win, if you guess, if you can condition the other free will) events that are supposed to make it win and therefore relinquish the interdiction to happiness that the Man Brain is imposing on itself just because. And so it goes up and down, it starts some goals and then changes its mind, it tests the waters and then goes backwards with this emotional roller coaster, going up and down, etc.
But then sometimes it just stays put and maybe other times, more smartly just gives up and keeps it steady, it frees its mind instead, no more emotional state changes and challenges, just try to keep a steady state, and assign it as a win.
And then why does it want to communicate and interact anyways ? Is it not sufficient of itself, and especially why does it care to reproduce its own mental informational state in another point in space and time, why does it want to fill all time and space (hence all others, especially all other free will gadgets (people)) with itself, with its information, does it need to be confirmed and sure that it is replicating itself across all ? Is it envious and jealous and angry if other people (really chunks of matter) are concentrated on other information chunks instead of its present Information Chunk ? Maybe it needs to be sure that it is not alone with its information, but it is and no amount of communication and interaction will ever change the fact that it is a separate chunk of matter trying to expand itself by emitting denotations and symbols so as to try to convert symbols to matter by converting others into itself.
And anyways, any present state information a mind contains, any instantaneous informational state and emotional state always completely dominates the entire universe for that brain and completely erases and eliminates all past or future informational states, although there are signs of it in its memory, but that serves just as a reference system: you are just as good as your present informational state, you are your present informational state, all other past and future states have vanished and never were…
Skillfully encapsulated comparison between Weimar and the FUSA. Diplomatic too! ;o)
Example from the article:
“Both countries were on the receiving end of acts of terrorism that produced a dramatic and violent reaction against the presumed perpetrators of the crimes, so both quickly adopted legislation that abridged many constitutional rights and empowered the head of state to react decisively to further threats. The media fell in line, concerned that criticism would be unpatriotic.” -P.G.
“presumed perpetrators” Nicely done, Phil. They can’t stretch your neck for that one… yet.
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177965
“On a side note, I used to be a really stereotypical Socialist, straight Party-Lines, to the extent that we have them. I was incredibly forgiving, but then I have spent years looking at all of these people that just don’t want to work, and it’s ridiculous. In the summer, when I desperately need housekeepers, I’ll only get a handful of applicants, few of them worth a shit, and I can’t get myself to full staff levels when I’ll hire from all but the absolute bottom of the barrel, it’s crazy! 60% of everyone around here is on some kind of Government Assistance, and nobody wants to actually do anything to make any cash. ”
Interesting: for every story I hear about “how hard it is to get a job”, I read an opposite and equal story of “how people are lazy and don’t want to work” or “there are loads of jobs”, etc. So where is the truth ? What is the truth ?
The real logical mistake is probably that of assuming that there is a truth in the first place: there is no truth only so many specific, individual situations and conditions all very varied and as varied as people are and as varied as the impression of things people have when confronting those impressions.
Everyone kind of makes up the truth that suits them either to justify themselves (maybe they are lazy and don’t want to work but “blame the system”) or that they are on the other side looking for people and justify that they can’t find “the right one” by saying “people are lazy”, etc.
I think these debates, these contrasting positions will go on forever, there will never be a common ground because for each story, made up or real or partially real, impression, subjective impression (or objective with statistics ?), for each one who is to blame on either side there will always be an opposing view and story and explanation on the other.
My personal conclusion ? Man Sucks. End of Story.
P2C,
What I generally like about Giraldi, is his thoughtful cause-and-effect, action-reaction scenarios, whether they be historical or speculative.
(You’ve probably read this one; scary, but quite plausible, from what we’ve witnessed lately.)
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2012/01/11/what-war-with-iran-might-look-like/
Interesting to have the perspective of a former CIA officer and contributor to The American Conservative. We do wonder what his “agenda” might be, but his analysis is instructive and valuable nonetheless.
I say that we are ALL globalists now, perhaps even those who would rather not be. That said, I don’t think that “The World is Flat.” In fact, that is the problem, with huge disparities in worker pay and standards of living; offshoring makes economic sense in this regard. I hate to say it, because even I like being part of a “nation,” but I think the UN is going to have to establish a mechanism/s whereby companies that move simply to use cheap labor have to have obligations to raise the standard of living (and working) for those they hire; a little more economic equalibrium. Good luck with that, however.
“One thing that someone brought up on C-Span this morning. That the San Francisco Bay bridge is being built with Chinese steel and that there is a media blackout about this.
The moderator said he never heard about that and would look into it.” -LB
Whoa! Clusterfuckers calling in to Washington Journal now? That’s some subversive shit! ;o)
Wonder if there’s any WTC tower steel melted into that structure for the bridge? Good way to dispose of the evidence while making some gelt and goodwill. Perfect.
Speaking of Reichstag fires, where is “Deadheart” Big Dick C. these days, and how is he feeling? Have they birthed his evil clone yet with incantations to the Da Deb’bil? Those paying attention would like to know…
Giraldi
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Complete BS. The Vatican Sith, Philip Giraldi, has not changed his spots. He is still a CIA agent, spewing BS to an ignorant public. In fact, a quick glance at the ridiculous articles published by that organization, tells me it’s really nothing more than a CIA/Vatican disinformation propaganda outlet catering to morons.
Another shot fired while no one was looking and out of distance of hearing:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30350.htm
Got it?
All right then, who do you trust?
Place yer bets.
That may be, laddie.
(I already posted my personal disclaimer, and we knew your standard response was soon to be stamped onto the site from your approved list of talking points. Talk to the colonel about frequency of posting; folks do tend to become immune when over-exposed, no matter the military’s research indicating otherwise.)
If only there would be a rule that establishes anything fair in “free” market trade!!
The Milton Friedman neoliberals believe in making money to the enth degree. As W. put it,”Sometimes money trumps everything”. What he meant to say is always, not sometimes! (incl. religion)
That’s why these guys spend more money on lobbying for lower taxes and no rule of law (not regulation) than what they would have paid in taxes.
What a colossal waste! But then again waste is their middle name. God forbid it should go to the nation state even for their unending wars!. That’s just socialism. Only the little people pay for the wars.(but I digress..)
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Ozone, the man with no heart is in the background leading Neocon Newt to war with Iran. He’s got his black hand in that, trust me.
That may be, laddie.
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There’s no maybe about it.
Israel’s radar system is completely integrated to NATO’s radar system. Think about that for a little, and what that means. And if I know this, so does any and every CIA agent. What Giraldi is spewing is pure garbage propaganda. Fantasy tales for the clueless morons and propagandized ignoramuses.
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A Chunk of Matter is Better (Off) ?
Another thing about jealousy and envy: are you jealous because you want to be that person you are jealous of or are you jealous of the state that person finds itself in, aka because you know you can never be that person, or you assign that person’s state as something so very greatly better or higher (mysteriously better and higher and even if your logic says that this is not the case your emotion says it is, another unresolved (and never to be solved) internal conflict) ? Both and neither and anything in between.
And even if we would become or obtain that person or be that person or whatever, would we be satisfied (or would it last a while only to wear off and then find a new unobtainable target) ? No, maybe it would last forever and you would be ever more happy of your new acquired state, as that state becomes better and better forever! So then your jealousy was worthwhile, justified, go figure.
So yes, it is the second case, you will never be that other person (or have that other “special” person as in “love” ?) and your anger and envy and jealousy will increase forever, you have been assigned as a loser, you will lose, you lost, god wanted it that way, now beat yourself up, punish yourself, it is your fault, go man, go …
But logic says differently… and isn’t the entire affair defined and distinguished with logic (non contradiction and identity principles ?) you wouldn’t confuse the other person with yourself would you ? you wouldn’t make that logical mistake would you ? But then if logic says that there is nothing and no reason to be envious and jealous but your emotions, instincts and “Natural Reactions” say yes you must be, nay, are forced to be ever more envious and jealous (and all) especially of the other person’s pleasure and fun (and so you want the other person to deny their pleasure ? or merge with their pleasure ? or be the object of their attention and become their pleasure ?) which is right ? which to follow ? none and both: this is the contradiction of separate chunks of matter communicating between each other (and fooling each other into thinking that they have it better or are special ? they lie to each other ? and deceive each other ? just for fun ?) and having the necessity of being similar so as to control that one chunk doesn’t have it too good, but we just go back to square one and assign another chunk as having it so much better just to punish ourselves and generate guilt complexes: we want to be guilty always, we want guilt, guilty if we win, guilty if we lose (but not really, we should be happy the object of our envy and jealousy is enjoying and we are “allowing” that it enjoys without us, our non presence is fundamental in that item’s joy…), guilty in between, guilty for any interaction since it always could have “been different and better”, “it could have gone in another direction, if only”, there is always that “if only” this and that, as if there is another history and not only one history, the one inserted in your memory, the only gadget keeping score: but then erase and change your memory, it can be done, it is just a puny gadget, change your memory and it will become real and reality.
Wow, what a boatload of drivel, trype and self delusion….
“Karma’s a bitch.” – Asoka
Really Asoka?
So explain to us all about this “karma” stuff.
Explain to us how “karma” worked on Black people in the US. How do we start.. ancestors of Blacks were brought here in chains, they spent centuries as slaves, even after they were freed they spent more than a century oppressed.
And now because of the financial machinations of a some people on Wall Street and to be fair other financial capitols, American Black people are suffering disproportionately, first from the offshoring of American production and now because of this financial crisis.
So explain to us. Is the essence of karma getting your just deserts Asoka? Is it all about justice?
So what did Black people do to deserve what they’ve gotten?
As I’ve said in other posts there’s a very angry Black man named Tavis Smiley who’s really pissed about how the lot of Blacks has worsened so much more than others recently.
I doubt that he gives a shit what you personally think but I think he would give a shit that this idea of cosmic retributive justice might take root ie that Blacks are getting severely screwed because they collectively had it coming.
So explain please. We’re waiting…
A great Sanskrit sage sent a student to the West who translated ‘Karma’ as ‘work’ [and the result of work/action].
Karma does not mean…’good’ ‘bad’ ‘suffering’.
Thanks for pointing out asokas nonsense.
Tehran Pushes to Ditch the US Dollar
The official line from the United States and the European Union is that Tehran must be punished for continuing its efforts to develop a nuclear weapon. The punishment: sanctions on Iran’s oil exports, which are meant to isolate Iran and depress the value of its currency to such a point that the country crumbles.
But that line doesn’t make sense, and the sanctions will not achieve their goals. Iran is far from isolated and its friends – like India – will stand by the oil-producing nation until the US either backs down or acknowledges the real matter at hand. That matter is the American dollar and its role as the global reserve currency.
The short version of the story is that a 1970s deal cemented the US dollar as the only currency to buy and sell crude oil, and from that monopoly on the all-important oil trade the US dollar slowly but surely became the reserve currency for global trades in most commodities and goods. Massive demand for US dollars ensued, pushing the dollar’s value up, up, and away. In addition, countries stored their excess US dollars savings in US Treasuries, giving the US government a vast pool of credit from which to draw.
We know where that situation led – to a US government suffocating in debt while its citizens face stubbornly high unemployment (due in part to the high value of the dollar); a failed real estate market; record personal-debt burdens; a bloated banking system; and a teetering economy. That is not the picture of a world superpower worthy of the privileges gained from having its currency back global trade. Other countries are starting to see that and are slowly but surely moving away from US dollars in their transactions, starting with oil.
If the US dollar loses its position as the global reserve currency, the consequences for America are dire. A major portion of the dollar’s valuation stems from its lock on the oil industry – if that monopoly fades, so too will the value of the dollar. Such a major transition in global fiat currency relationships will bode well for some currencies and not so well for others, and the outcomes will be challenging to predict. But there is one outcome that we foresee with certainty: Gold will rise. Uncertainty around paper money always bodes well for gold, and these are uncertain days indeed.
The Petrodollar System
To explain this situation properly, we have to start in 1973. That’s when President Nixon asked King Faisal of Saudi Arabia to accept only US dollars as payment for oil and to invest any excess profits in US Treasury bonds, notes, and bills. In exchange, Nixon pledged to protect Saudi Arabian oil fields from the Soviet Union and other interested nations, such as Iran and Iraq. It was the start of something great for the US, even if the outcome was as artificial as the US real-estate bubble and yet constitutes the foundation for the valuation of the US dollar.
By 1975 all of the members of OPEC agreed to sell their oil only in US dollars. Every oil-importing nation in the world started saving their surplus in US dollars so as to be able to buy oil; with such high demand for dollars the currency strengthened. On top of that, many oil-exporting nations like Saudi Arabia spent their US dollar surpluses on Treasury securities, providing a new, deep pool of lenders to support US government spending.
The “petrodollar” system was a brilliant political and economic move. It forced the world’s oil money to flow through the US Federal Reserve, creating ever-growing international demand for both US dollars and US debt, while essentially letting the US pretty much own the world’s oil for free, since oil’s value is denominated in a currency that America controls and prints. The petrodollar system spread beyond oil: the majority of international trade is done in US dollars. That means that from Russia to China, Brazil to South Korea, every country aims to maximize the US-dollar surplus garnered from its export trade to buy oil.
The US has reaped many rewards. As oil usage increased in the 1980s, demand for the US dollar rose with it, lifting the US economy to new heights. But even without economic success at home the US dollar would have soared, because the petrodollar system created consistent international demand for US dollars, which in turn gained in value. A strong US dollar allowed Americans to buy imported goods at a massive discount – the petrodollar system essentially creating a subsidy for US consumers at the expense of the rest of the world. Here, finally, the US hit on a downside: The availability of cheap imports hit the US manufacturing industry hard, and the disappearance of manufacturing jobs remains one of the biggest challenges in resurrecting the US economy today.
There is another downside, a potential threat now lurking in the shadows. The value of the US dollar is determined in large part by the fact that oil is sold in US dollars. If that trade shifts to a different currency, countries around the world won’t need all their US money. The resulting sell-off of US dollars would weaken the currency dramatically.
So here’s an interesting thought experiment. Everybody says the US goes to war to protect its oil supplies, but doesn’t it really go to war to ensure the continuation of the petrodollar system?
The Iraq war provides a good example. Until November 2000, no OPEC country had dared to violate the US dollar-pricing rule, and while the US dollar remained the strongest currency in the world there was also little reason to challenge the system. But in late 2000, France and a few other EU members convinced Saddam Hussein to defy the petrodollar process and sell Iraq’s oil for food in euros, not dollars. In the time between then and the March 2003 American invasion of Iraq, several other nations hinted at their interest in non-US dollar oil trading, including Russia, Iran, Indonesia, and even Venezuela. In April 2002, Iranian OPEC representative Javad Yarjani was invited to Spain by the EU to deliver a detailed analysis of how OPEC might at some point sell its oil to the EU for euros, not dollars.
This movement, founded in Iraq, was starting to threaten the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve currency and petro currency. In March 2003, the US invaded Iraq, ending the oil-for-food program and its euro payment program.
There are many other historic examples of the US stepping in to halt a movement away from the petrodollar system, often in covert ways. In February 2011 Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), called for a new world currency to challenge the dominance of the US dollar. Three months later a maid at the Sofitel New York Hotel alleged that Strauss-Kahn sexually assaulted her. Strauss-Kahn was forced out of his role at the IMF within weeks; he has since been cleared of any wrongdoing.
War and insidious interventions of this sort may be costly, but the costs of not protecting the petrodollar system would be far higher. If euros, yen, renminbi, rubles, or for that matter straight gold, were generally accepted for oil, the US dollar would quickly become irrelevant, rendering the currency almost worthless. As the rest of the world realizes that there are other options besides the US dollar for global transactions, the US is facing a very significant – and very messy – transition in the global oil machine.
The Iranian Dilemma
Iran may be isolated from the United States and Western Europe, but Tehran still has some pretty staunch allies. Iran and Venezuela are advancing $4 billion worth of joint projects, including a bank. India has pledged to continue buying Iranian oil because Tehran has been a great business partner for New Delhi, which struggles to make its payments. Greece opposed the EU sanctions because Iran was one of very few suppliers that had been letting the bankrupt Greeks buy oil on credit. South Korea and Japan are pleading for exemptions from the coming embargoes because they rely on Iranian oil. Economic ties between Russia and Iran are getting stronger every year.
Then there’s China. Iran’s energy resources are a matter of national security for China, as Iran already supplies no less than 15% of China’s oil and natural gas. That makes Iran more important to China than Saudi Arabia is to the United States. Don’t expect China to heed the US and EU sanctions much – China will find a way around the sanctions in order to protect two-way trade between the nations, which currently stands at $30 billion and is expected to hit $50 billion in 2015. In fact, China will probably gain from the US and EU sanctions on Iran, as it will be able to buy oil and gas from Iran at depressed prices.
So Iran will continue to have friends, and those friends will continue to buy its oil. More importantly, you can bet they won’t be paying for that oil with US dollars. Rumors are swirling that India and Iran are at the negotiating table right now, hammering out a deal to trade oil for gold, supported by a few rupees and some yen. Iran is already dumping the dollar in its trade with Russia in favor of rials and rubles. India is already using the yuan with China; China and Russia have been trading in rubles and yuan for more than a year; Japan and China are moving towards transactions in yen and yuan.
And all those energy trades between Iran and China? That will be settled in gold, yuan, and rial. With the Europeans out of the mix, in short order none of Iran’s 2.4 million barrels of oil a day will be traded in petrodollars.
With all this knowledge in hand, it starts to seem pretty reasonable that the real reason tensions are mounting in the Persian Gulf is because the United States is desperate to torpedo this movement away from petrodollars. The shift is being spearheaded by Iran and backed by India, China, and Russia. That is undoubtedly enough to make Washington anxious enough to seek out an excuse to topple the regime in Iran.
Speaking of that search for an excuse, this is interesting. A team of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors just visited Iran. The IAEA is supervising all things nuclear in Iran, and it was an IAEA report in November warning that the country was progressing in its ability to make weapons that sparked this latest round of international condemnation against the supposedly near-nuclear state. But after their latest visit, the IAEA’s inspectors reported no signs of bomb making. Oh, and if keeping the world safe from rogue states with nuclear capabilities were the sole motive, why have North Korea and Pakistan been given a pass?
There is another consideration to keep in mind, one that is very important when it comes to making some investment decisions based on this situation: Russia, India, and China – three members of the rising economic powerhouse group known as the BRICs (which also includes Brazil) – are allied with Iran and are major gold producers. If petrodollars go out of vogue and trading in other currencies gets too complicated, they will tap their gold storehouses to keep the crude flowing. Gold always has and always will be the fallback currency and, as mentioned before, when currency relationships start to change and valuations become hard to predict, trading in gold is a tried and true failsafe.
2012 might end up being most famous as the year in which the world defected from the US dollar as the global currency of choice. Imagine the rest of the world doing the math and, little by little, beginning to do business in their own currencies and investing ever less of their surpluses in US Treasuries. It constitutes nothing less than a slow but sure decimation of the dollar.
That may not be a bad thing for the United States. The country’s gargantuan debts can never be repaid as long as the dollar maintains anything close to its current valuation. Given the state of the country, all that’s really left supporting the value in the dollar is its global reserve currency status. If that goes and the dollar slides, maybe the US will be able to repay its debts and start fresh. That new start would come without the privileges and ingrained subsidies to which Americans are so accustomed, but it’s amazing that the petrodollar system has lasted this long. It was only a matter of time before something would break it down.
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Hey you libs listen up, the old guilt trips are dying, soon no more guilt over slavery, colonialism or the holocaust. The world really is changing.
See folks we are coming to find out that the people holding the whip hand of guilt are really not nice people. Sure for now the facade holds, but not much longer.
As for you old white women for whatever reasons you sided with these bad people, just give it up if you have a conscience. The days of playing “Earth Mother” are about over because the days of guilt are soon over and the people you patronize really really hate your white skin.
You see, P2C, the way I look at it “idiocy” stands astride human history along with its nasty twin, “evil”. Idiocy has always had legs even when communication was slow and difficult but now idiocy travels at the speed of light and has great multiplicative or reproductive power thanks to the internet. To paraphrase Churchill (I think) idiocy gets halfway around the world before wisdom and forebearance have a chance to gets their pants on. Idiocy screams from the rooftops while common sense barely murmurs “now just a minute here”.
Bad ideas get traction. Just look at the recent past. Somehow the idea took root to wipe out all the Jews and this in the most educated country in Europe and look at what happened. And not only to the Jews but to Armenians, Roma, Ukrainians. Look at the killing fields in Cambodia. Segregation of Blacks seemed like a good idea to a lot of people too. Still looks good to folks like Vlad.
Somehow the idea took root in the business community to offshore production to crapholes in China where people are treated like slaves. In the 1990s if a CEO wasn’t aggressively downsizing there was something wrong with him. And Greenspan was the “Maestro”. Remember that?
And now there’s this idea that offshoring is collective punishment to American workers: karma. But not a peep about the outsized benefits to the 1%. Is this fair? Is this a part of karma too? Yo Asoka, you listening? Explain that for us.
Is it karma that Chinese farmers are thrown off their land with no compensation so the Chinese kleptocracy can build shopping malls and condos?
I’m not done with Asoka yet.
There are those here that really, really, REALLY have not been paying attention. *whew*
I have close relatives who are stunted from lack of food, whose legs are bent from ricketts. Ever seen that Asoka? Ever suffered hunger? Ever suffered hunger for months on end? Ever seen a bad harvest and know without a doubt that your kids will go hungry? Ever had a landlord take from your farm most of what you produce just because he wants to and because he has the bullyboy muscle to back it up? Ever occur to you that oppression goes hand in hand with poverty?
When you talk of poverty in such glowing terms I would suggest that you haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about. You obviously haven’t suffered and you haven’t listened to people that have. Open your ears.
I have to say that yours is is the kind of talk that came out of the Roman Catholic Church in its discourse with impoverished peasants: the poor are loved by Jesus, be happy with your lot, be happy in your strong and loving families, be happy that your reward will come in Heaven.
And never mind that you’re hungry, that you have no shoes, that you can’t get even basic medicine.
There are places in this world that the Roman Cathoic Church is reviled because of this.
Again Asoka, are you advocating for the 1%? There are impoverished countries where the Roman Catholic Church sure as hell did. Are you of that ilk? Be happy with your lot, you don’t need money and food and shoes and medical care to be happy?
Idiocy and Evil as mutually reinforcing “twins”.
Good ‘un.
Some very intelligent folks have turned their talents to the dark side as well, but [for the most part] Idiocy supports its’ twin more vigorously. ;o)
Your “Tehran pushes to ditch the dollar” post is the best post you have ever made. Though we’ve been bitter enemies on this site, I wonder if you have observed that I’ve made posts which echo your sentiments about US foreign policy.
I think we’re looking at any “philosophical” excuse as a false flag in order to ramp up our war machine to attack Iran.
Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz many times before so why is there RECENT threat to be taken so seriously?? Even their allies wouldn’t support that so why did the US send their largest carrier to the international waters outside of the Straits??
The USA has become an Orwellian country which uses “liberation slogans” as a reason to enter in stuff that’s none of our business like the bombings in Libya. We claim we’re “liberating” people and then form alliances with people like the House of Saud or, in the first Gulf War under Bush, the despot Kharmova out of Uzbekistan.
We are the most ideologically hypocritical G-20 nation and then wonder why we are detested.
E.
…anti-Taliban American workers… – Asoka
Another interesting nugget. So tell us Asoka how YOU see the Taliban. Are you PRO Taliban? Tell us why. Just curious.
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Idiocy and Evil as mutually reinforcing “twins”.
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A friend of mine, an English prof, has coined the beautiful term, “The Arrogance of Ignorance”. He uses this term in support of his observation that in social life in the postmodern world, people are MILITANTLY stupid and unprincipled even in their teen years.
I’ve never seen an era where people exposed their dirty linen in public with an in-your-face PRIDE like the last decade.
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Alarm! Alarm! Warning! Warning! Mental Disaster Area ! TILT ! PLease Ignore these kinds of Posts. Thank You.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Words as Logic ?
The fact that the Grand Unified Theory of Everything is being sought after in terms of Mathematics and Logic, structure instead of words is interesting. And very strange since words are much more powerful than any possible mathematical structure (although it seems that one can be formatted and translated into the other in some way), can be many times more abstract since for example in Mathematics you do not have anything that can represent the following application of logic to words: The Square root of the Word “Thought” multiplied the word “Space” Divided by the limit of the word “Forward” for the word “Sky” tending to the word “Absolute”.
So ((Thought ^1/2) * Space)/(limit Sky -> Absolute of Forward).
Now what can that mean ? How is that related to anything else ? How many inventions of this kind are possible and how many other abstract complex absurd structures as such can be invented, etc. But especially, the very fact that words are ambiguous, are not very precise, can mean and be applied in so many different ways, you can make them change meanings, suggest something but then peedle back, you can lie, deceive, you can do a lot with words and such.
And especially, words seem closer to how a modifed brain would like to process concepts, wildly modified brains having parallel circuits, confusion all connected in very odd networks of understanding and experiences and such. And then compare that to the one bit logic mathematical structures imply as compared to metaphysical boldly and proudly fake and artificial and lying and deceiving structures composed of words.
As a test, could anybody write down the mathematical equivalent of the above blocks of text ? You see, you would have to assign too many arbitrary symbols having arbitrary meanings, so the entire deal of mathematical precision would be void of substance.
The Grand Unified Theories will be composed of mental structures expressed in very much more abstract items than words or sentences: and then the entire program of Science is False from the outset, it wants explanations, it wants relationships between things, it wants more symbols than are necessary (and why, what is the end reason ? the “Intentionality of Use” ? to solve problems ? to execute new experiences ? but these can be achieved directly modifying the Man Brain and directly obtaining anything you want).
So when they ask: why these equations (of physics) and not others ? the reply should be: Just Because, for No Reason at all. No reason is the Best Reason and also the Simplest Reason. Those equations were just a wild number chosen randomly, that is all.
You can also reply why not those equations ? why not anything ? why not accept what random chaos gave us for free without any further explanation or deeper relationships ? Why should there be any further relationships ? And even if we find millions, at a certain point they must end, or maybe we want them to go on forever ? (We can always force them to go on forever…)
Also because a reply different from that would generate an infinite regression of symbols, other questions and answers, a never ending sequence of symbols until finally you have to assign an end point, and at the end point you must assign some final Symbol which really means No Symbol at All, No reason at all.
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Asoka,
You must not be listening very carefully to the political dialogue here because I think the current safety net is being called into question while the middle class pays for the cost of speculators to continue speculating with government guarantee.
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Well said, my friend!!! Well said!!! This is EXACTLY what the “QE” are all about. Such tactics haven’t touched real wages in the middle class at all but they do kite up the stock market which is like the beautiful porch or a house riddled with termites.
E.
The USA has become an Orwellian country which uses “liberation slogans” as a reason to enter
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This has ALWAYS been so. It’s only that now you’re getting a glimpse at the truth and realizing what a fool you have been to believe the CIA/Vatican propaganda all your life.
Emotional programming is VERY difficult to undue, if not impossible. Still, I would encourage you read Anthony Sutton, Carroll Quigley, Samuel Morse, Jeremiah Crowley, Eric Phelps, etc. There’s a thread to history which has been deliberately obscured by the CIA/Vatican. You cannot understand where we are and where we’re going without understand where we’ve been and where we’re coming from. And that information you will NEVER get from the gov mafia propaganda outlets.
Btw,
It’s the sale of German diesel subs to Israel, not the other way around. Israel does not have the shipyards for anything near that kind of work you imply. The most Israeli shipyards can produce is small anti-ship missile corvettes.
I’ve seen militant stupidity in the past.
Decades ago when I was in 7th grade there was a really big kid in our class. The rest of us, being pubescent no-ass twigs in comparison, he drew attention. He was at least a head taller than the tallest of us and about 50 lbs heavier. Lucky for me, being one of the no-ass twigs, I stayed on his good side and, being of the same ethnic origin, we had something in common.
So one day I jokingly asked him what his mother fed him that accounted for his outsized strength and stature. And this kid was really strong. I said I ate my spinach but it ain’t helping so what’s the secret? He looked at me mournfully and he said in a quiet voice to not let it get around but he started school late. I thought, well he must have been sick or something so I looked at him questioningly. And he said his mom “didn’t know”.
How the fuck can she not know? His dad must not have known either nor any of his numerous relatives nor any of their friends and neighbors. Not exactly a secret that at a certain age a kid goes to kindergarten.
Maybe she “didn’t know” or maybe she didn’t give a shit. Nor his dad.
Well said, my friend!!! Well said!!! – E
I agree, Lbendet’s post really nailed it.
This QE stuff is all about keeping the casinos afloat.
Who’s running the casinos? Who’s pocketing the skim? Not you I’ll bet and sure as hell not me.
(lunchbreak)
Rhino: Who’s pocketing the skim?
Why do you think they want to privatize social security? Give it all to the speculators, me thinks. In the meantime anyone who says there should be fair trade, fair taxes, fair information are screamed at that they are fighting a class war by the global class warriors.
The saddest thing of all is that the progressives are never prepared to fight the bullies back. They never anticipate the other side lying. Why?
NeoCon Newt is a great lesson in tactics and strategies, just watch, listen and learn!
We are in for a hard long fight. These a-holes will not give one inch. They want it all–they’ll nuke ya if they think they have to.
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If you want to read a real doozie about how Iran is selling oil to the BRIC countries in gold, check out Pepe Escobar’s article:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA26Ak02.html
Why do you think they want to privatize social security? – L
Sure, more money from the suckers, more management fees for the investment industry.
I agree this is in fact a “class war”.
But how is it fought? Re-define the terms and make obvious issues go away.
So they tell despondent, angry guys in their forties or fifties who’ve been out of work for years, whose families have fallen apart, that they have no right, that class warfare has no place in American society, that it’s envy, that it’s reprehensible, that it’s just “karma” in Asoka’s verminous terminology, .
Well, the guys at the top are doing just fine. And so they browbeat the guys at the bottom, shut up, shut up, shut up.
Or, it’s karma, accept your lot.
So these “progressives”, who are they, who do they actually work for, what stake do they have in things as they are. Follow the money IOW and you may find out why they won’t fight back.
A new one from Pepe following the State of the Stump speech!
Delicious.
Thanks for the link, LB.
“The Arrogance of Ignorance”
E.,
Tell him “thanks” from the rest of us. That truly does roll off the tongue smoothly and sharply…
LB,
And di’dja see the advert for the CIA on that asia times site??? Orwellian, much?
“Hey, come join us, your friendly destroyers of capitols and countries! It’s fun, profitable, and you’ll be supporting the police states! Sign your soul away today!”
Also, I don’t know about you but it seems to me that too many “progressives” are contemptuous of ordinary people and people at the bottom of the food chain. Very prepared to tell the unwashed what to think and how to live their lives when what the “smerd” want is a good job and not the condescension and disdain of their “betters” ensconced in the civil service or academia. Why don’t the “progressives” fight back? Maybe too comfortable themselves?
Old68 said “…words are ambiguous, are not very precise, can mean and be applied in so many different ways, you can make them change meanings, suggest something but then peedle back, you can lie, deceive, you can do a lot with words”
Not with English.
In English, words mean what the dictionary says they mean, period. There is no ambiguity.
Thats why English is so great. We have specific words for specific things.
Likewise with the laws of Physics. The language of physics is precise. Interesting though, that at some point, 0.999999 simply becomes one. Or Pi. But these are quibbling points.
E. and Rhino thanks for the comps on my anser to Asoka yesterday.
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In regards to the progressives not having a good argument.
You have to figure that Frank Luntz and the Orwellian crew will come up with something off-the-wall or something that turns reality on its head.
I really think that few of them are what you might refer to as jungle fighters. Ed Schultz can answer them, Dylan Ratigan, a conservative could answer them, but most people can’t think on their feet. They may be bright, but not when they are caught off guard. Later they could be kicking themselves for not having a good comeback.
You need to be prepared to fight people that turn things around on you when you least expect it. They may not have a logic that you can respond to, so you back down cuz it’s too crazy. That’s a mistake, my friends. It gives the crazies the last word and it appears like t hey won.–They’ve been doing this for years.
They never forget to blame the victims.
Iran’s government exists only because of oil remittances.
There should never have been trade with Iran for oil.
In fact, there should have been an international embargo years ago.
Without oil money, Iran could not have begged, borrowed, or bought much of the technological infrastructure needed to enrich plutonium.
It would not have had the economic power to pay the goon squads to run about beating men and women for holding hands in public.
America should have blacked out Iran’s communications network during the uprising several years ago and imposed sanctions, and erased its strike capabilities.
Perhaps we weren’t quite ready.
Now we are.
Now we have the power to destroy the Iranian government and liberate its people.
Lets do it.
Kill Kill Kill
Why engage the crazies in the first place? Why not just disengage from them and thus withdraw your support? The morons that follow the crazies will have KARMA take care of them. 😀
Agreed with the first part.
You want to help the people of Iran, educate them to the truth. A steady underground supply of small arms to potential rebels would not be a bad idea either. 🙂
I’m talking about people on the media. The semi informed and uninformed might be watching this and if they see the people on the left, sitting there like this discussion is above their payscale, what do you think the message is?
In order for the Murmuration to take place, a critical mass needs to be reached.
If you want my opinion, there is a big difference between limosine liberalism and working class politics. The upperty crust snobs like John Kerry, Ted Kennedy set the tone for modern liberalsim, or at least what passes for it. This constant concern for oddly dressed foreigners and homosexuals is the result of snobs. They gave the country bussing and quotas, what does somebody like John Kerry care gets in the electrician union, or who passes a police exam? He doesn’t care about things like that. Does Jane Fonda care about veterans?
Shit I hope you’re kidding, just about the time I think you can’t maintain this level of craziness, you manage.
I’m talking about people on the media.
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So am I. Boycott them. Deprive them of importance, viewership, money, legitimacy. Create your own alternative. Those that are interested in being informed will come to you. They will seek you and they will listen to you, on your terms.
Going back to highschool French here:
Plus English has the added benefit from having absorbed words from other languages like French so you have added distinct layers of meaning. You have the word “ask” and then you have the word word “demand” (of French origin). “Demander/demandez” in French can mean “ask” but in English “ask” and “demand” have two distinct usages and meanings.
I agree, the snobs as you call them, have theirs. So they go off on all sorts of tangents which they think are worthwhile but meanwhile the local plant just shut down throwing a thousand people out of work. One plant, then another, then another, then another and pretty soon millions of jobs are as gone as can be.
And the liberal intelligentsia has exactly what to say? What to do? Fill me in, I’m confused but I can’t think of anything. Shovel ready projects maybe, or maybe “stimulus”. Or something.
Not one fucking word to the bastards behind it all never mind retribution or a threat of retribution, nothing whatsoever. At least that I can remember.
M,
People tend to keep their stations on the same place. If you want to reach more people for critical mass, you need to be very accessible. Sooner of later you have to have a debate. You should be ready for anything they throw at you.
“You want to help the people of Iran, educate them to the truth.”
I suspect they know the truth.
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/WebPosting.cfm?LogID=3154
it has been many years since i read either, but it sure seems that the “conservative” right were inspired by ayn rand and use methods from machiavelli, with modern tools such as television and newsrags…for example hammering over and over on “big government” while a part of beauracracy unparallelled; or calling for cuts in “entitlements” which by definition we re entitled to- and pay for…i just have a hard time believing that people are stupid enough to call themselves republican, or let them any where near positions of power or decision-making…i d bet that w literally can t read- that the reason his speeches were so weird was that he had somebody read them to him to try to memorize…
#@%!…have you noticed the backgrounds with their prases repeated over and over, behind who ever is at the podium? Everybody is doing it now, and apparently works…just tell the rubes what they want to hear; you can do anything…like sec state clinton telling syria to stop human rights abuses- anyone heard of gitmo?! and newt the slime putting forth ‘family values’…what a fuckjob that is…sanctimonious bullshit writ large
My event horizon as well as my trust horizon have shrank dramatically over the past ten years. Both horizons just now barely reach the city limits. I can cross this horizon in any direction in about 20 minuts going 40 miles per hour. And yes! – We are having a mayoral race coming up so this will be an exciting year!
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I have to agree with you here. Notice for one thing how, in the past 4 years the phrase has changed from “Neoconservative” to “Neoliberal”, as if the former had nothing to do with the current world situation. They have successfully shifted the blame from themselves, and suddenly liberals and progressives find themselves being blamed for all the problems that had origination with the NeoCon agenda during the previous 8 yeas of the Bush & Republicans.
Same goes for the bank bailouts that were passed by the Bush administration just before the elections. They knew it would not be enough, so they left it to the Obama admin to pass the rest, and guess what, get blamed for the whole freaking mess. Amazing.
Orwell would be amazed. I know I am.
And everyone here has fallen for it.
History: Read, Forget, Repeat….
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Cabra,
That is stone cold Prophetic.
D.
Be aware that Neoliberal is not describing a progressive, but quite the opposite. It means liberal or free markets as espoused by Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of business. The free unfettered trade with no regulation is what that means. Laizze-faire capitalism without protections or government interference. That is indeed what the Republicans and many Democrats at this point are.
The Rupugs are just taking advantage of people when they say that, knowing most people don’t know who uncle Miltie is.
Read Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine and the rise of Disaster Capitalism”. It will make you sick!
Neocon Newt is both and he wants to privatize social security a la Chile. (that was Friedman’s first victim in 1972 when they overthrew Allende.
Say, this is great, it deserves another post:
A Tale of Two Cities: Weimar and Washington
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/12/28/a-tale-of-two-cities-weimar-and-washington/
History: Read, Forget, Repeat….
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Yep,
Make language mean anything you want it to mean (thus robbing it of meaning) and bafflement via bullshit becomes a fine art and excellent prodder of the cattle once known as “citizens”. Works like a friggin’ charm, I tells ya. ;o)
Good points P2C. Also, the president somehow forgot to mention that he actually wanted to STAY in Iraq but the Iraqi Shiite government made us leave! Then of course we are still in Afghanistan, over ten years after we should’ve at the very least nuked Kandahar after perhaps a brief warning period to permit an humanitarian evacuation, even though the 9/11 hijackers gave us no grace period to evacuate the World Trade Center. What’s going on with our Afghan “allies” today? They are of course murdering coalition troops albeit in scattered incidents. Guess what? ALL the fucking towelheads over there are the enemy. Get it President Jomama? Although I could never bring myself to vote for a Mormon bishop I believe that I could vote for Gingrich if predictably, Obama is his opponent.
I would also like to see Obama lose the education fixation. As it is we are already grossly over-schooled to a grotesque extent. For instance, today I gave a bald fade to a member of the Laborers’ Union who graduated from JESUIT PREP SCHOOL for Christ’s sake. Let’s pay for national health insurance by shutting down the fucking public schools EVERYWHERE. Let the teachers go look for real jobs, if they can find them. Personally, I could care less whether or not they ever find real jobs. They’re certainly not doing us any good by babysitting for five to ten times the going rate for babysitters.
Bid doins in Davos, eh!
Our Governor (Dan Malloy, D. Connecticut) flew their with his staff of homosexuals to smooze and hob nob with the world elite. No doubt they’ll be falling in with the English delegation. Imagine those closed-door meetings! Well, I’m sure a gay time will be had by all.
I’ll bet they’ll be eating good! I’d like to see that dinner menu. Anyway, we will here all about it when he returns.
Meanwhile, our State credit rating was just reduced by Moodys when it was learned we have $100 billion in unfunded pension liability to the public sector unions. Howsthat gonna get paid off?
–WSP7
“…both major U.S. political parties remain unmoved by the opinions of their constituents and unresponsive to their needs. By having the right to vote under present day, political duopoly, one is granted the right to co-sign the ongoing fraud that the nation is a democratic republic. To vote for either a Democratic or Republican candidate (i.e., the well vetted stooges of the 1%) is to cast a vote in favor of the only political party allowed in the rigged process–The Big Money, Perpetual War Party.” -Phil Rockstroh
Ahhhhh shit, there’s no one left that’s remotely trustworthy.
Place yer bets (while you’ve something left to bet WITH, or bet UPON).
$100 billion in unfunded pension liability … Howz that gonna get paid off?
Oh yea, tax the shit out of the millioonaires like Obama said last nite at the class warfare rally.
–WSP7
Well, ya gotta give Dapper Dan props for gi-normous stones. (I’m a “Fop” man, m’self. ;o)
Perhaps Danny Boy is hoping that Davos is a geographical oddity and is two weeks from everywhere! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw_YryVgLOg&feature=related
Two weeks should be plenty of time for the outrage to blow away. ………Uh, come to think of it, a couple days should do ‘er.
Good stuff, O!
Dapper Dan Indeed.
–WSP7
Yep, look how the RW has managed to make ‘Progressive’ & ‘Liberal’ into bad things. Look how the labor unions have been demonized, the only force that could have stopped the “outsourcing” & “offshoring” of American jobs, but Reagan turned the full force of the government against the unions, and they were powerless to stop it, and now, guess what, they get the blame for the outsourcing because they fought to keep good jobs and wages here.
Look at ‘BubbleBrained’ above shouting for the closure of all schools. Yeah, right, that will really help with the IQ deficit in this country.
Someone in an earlier post suggested that it was parents responsbilty for education, not the governments. Yeah, right, look how good thats turned out too, when parents are working two jobs and don’t have the time to make sure the kids are GETTING an education.
Look at WSP calling a suggested increase in taxes on millionaires & billionairs “Class Warfare”.
How do you think the “unfunded pension liability” happended anyway? Its because the City & State governments “borrowed” the funds to pay for things like under-used sports complexes now.
Oh, sorry Mr & Mrs former government employee, we gone & spent all your pension money. Oh, you can’t get Social Security because you were required to pay into the State fund in lieu of that? Gee, um, well, hope you have a comfy car to live in now.
Cat food can’t be that bad tasting, cats like it, right?
Yep, Orwell would be amazed.
History: Read, Forget, Repeat….
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SHIVER me timbers, Vladdie Boy! This ship, she’s, sheee’s going down!
Holy Macorini and Cheeze Whiz, Bubble! Teachers go through freaking hell trying to manage classrooms full of hellions who simply mimic the bad behavior in class that they see in homes. I think you said at one point you had been a teacher. And found it to be a futility. I’d agree and sympathize with your view. But teachers have become the whipping boy of the PTB, along with other (genuinely needed) public service. That said, the system isn’t working and needs to be shut down and started over again. From scratch.
Thanks, Dee.
The comment about “class warfare” was incredible. As if taxing millionaires and billionaires is going to hurt the “job creators”
Look at what Romney did with his lowered tax rate. What do “job creators” do with lowered tax rates? They hide the money in the Cayman Islands, in Swiss bank accounts, etc.
Do the American people really want to elect a guy who hides money in Swiss bank accounts to avoid taxation? Regular folk don’t have that option and pay a higher tax rate than Romney did.
Is insisting the “job creators” pay their fair share really “class warfare”?
Con gusto.
The US A is an insane asylum. You have lived outside it, you know. I only really started to suspect on my trips out. Now I know for sure, the Insane are running the Asylum. Its unbelievable. But its real.
As long as one is immersed in it, you really can’t tell. Only when you get out do you realize.
Then those left inside curse and damm you FOR escaping.
But once out, you can truly breath the air of freedom.
History: Read, Forget, Repeat….
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The US A is an insane asylum.
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The US is an imperialist plantation, a modern day animal farm, ala Orwell. People in the US are human farm animals. Same in most of the world.
I’m not sure if this is standard practice in the blogosphere, but your article is reprinted verbatim elsewhere under someone else’s authorship credit. Of course, your blog gets a link at the end of the article. I just thought you’d be interested in how your work’s being appropriated. Cheers, and keep up the good work!
http://redgreenandblue.org/2012/01/24/james-howard-kunstler-occupy-locally-1848-the-trust-horizon-and-murmuration/
I haven’t had a post “held for review” in a long time – maybe it was the three included links.
We’ll find out.
Hey Mika/Met,
Is this your guy Phelps? Somebody doesn’t like him very much, if so.
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/phelps_zionist_promoter.htm
And, several of your listed authors linked to the VaticanAssassins dot org website, where I found this link on racial separation that Vlad should also enjoy.
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2011/11/biblical-plan-to-establish-a-new-black-protestant-nation-in-shemitic-north-america/
As I’ve asked before, Mika/Met, are you sure you are really Jewish? I don’t see overwhelming evidence for it, based on your posts and most of the links that you post.
It is strange, to me, that a fine gentleman like Bill of Beantown should refuse to criticize your online persona, simply based on your declared Israeli residency. But it’s a strange world.
Getting stranger all the time, hey?
Here’s the rest of it, Mika/Met,
And I’ll say again that your fixation on blaming the Vatican/Jesuits for all the worlds evils is a relatively rare conspiracy theory, from where I sit. But – it is no less a conspiracy theory than any other conspiracy theory that blames all the world’s evil and strangeness on:
The Jews
The Bohemian Grovers
or any other single group –
It takes a lot of evil groups to make an evil world, Met – you need a bigger tent.
Speaking of groves, or of a Pleasure Grove
Here’s another link –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
These are some weird and powerful Bohemian mo’fo’s, no doubt about it.
PC,
Why do you think a sites like conspiracyworld.com exist? They are there to discourage you from reading this material so you wont learn the truth. Read the material! Much of it is available online. You’re not going to get informed following the guidance of people whose agenda is to discourage you from reading the source material. This is scholarly material written by very brave historians. It is well sourced and referenced. READ IT!!
PC,
Why do you think sites like conspiracyworld.com exist? They are there to discourage you from reading this material so you wont learn the truth. Read the material! Much of it is available online. You’re not going to get informed following the guidance of people whose agenda is to discourage you from reading the source material. This is scholarly material written by very brave historians. It is well sourced and referenced. READ IT!!
As I’ve asked before, Mika/Met, are you sure you are really Jewish?
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Mika/Met never said he was Jewish. He said he was Israeli, a secular atheistic Israeli. There is a difference.
It takes a lot of evil groups to make an evil world, Met – you need a bigger tent.
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Not necessarily. They created a system where evil and deception is systemic. Their whole existence is based on lies and parasitism.
I’m Jewish. And not only am I Jewish but I’m a Kohen. That means I’m a direct descendant of Moses.
CFN seems to have a short memory span, or should I say short time-horizon?
Remember how a few months ago the posts were all about Europe and how (Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.) were all on the verge of collapse and probably would not last until Halloween, or was it Thanksgiving?
Now, Europe is off the radar.
Now the new buzz is Iran.
Who know what it will be next week, but it won’t be murmuration, that’s for sure. We are not starlings.
Oh, that is interesting. I guess it was Mika who was denouncing the curly bearded Jews and saying they speak for no one.
In any event, Israel is the only modern state in the world that has held territories under military occupation for over four decades.
Met,
Look, man – I’m not unsympathetic to some of your views. But one conspiracy looks like any other conspiracy – to anyone who is not also a true believer.
Take 9/11. I haven’t seen you address it, but there is certainly a thread of conspiracy that will connect the events of 9/11 in the United States to the Vatican and the Jesuits. It’s a straight arrow to a true believer, but none of the rest of us will ever see it.
There is just as strong a thread of conspiracy that will connect the events of 9/11 to the Israelis or to Mossad. Again, only the true believers in this particular conspiracy will be able to see this one.
There is the “false flag” thread of 9/11. And I suppose that one circles back to the US government and to the CIA, and therefore to your Jesuits and their Vatican.
So, what makes you pick one conspiracy – and someone else pick the diametrically opposite conspiracy.
Just consider the possibility that both of you are wrong. Just consider that possibility and think about it.
That means I’m a direct descendant of Moses.
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LOL!
I am also a direct descendant of Moses.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas; well, you get the idea. The begatin’ just kept on until…
Pretty soon they begat Asoka!
But one conspiracy looks like any other conspiracy – to anyone who is not also a true believer.
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I’m not asking you to be believer. I’m asking you read the source material. Why is that so difficult for you? If you rather spend your time entertaining the idiocy that is ASOKA, then that’s your mental problem.
As for 9/11, my opinion is that it was a CIA inside job. The people involved were sponsored by the CIA and were trained on US military bases in Florida. (See: Russ Baker).
Hey, bro, that no way to be treatin’ a brother Jew.
Shabbat Shalom, Met.
Kol Tuv. L’hitraot.
HA!
Lamadeta kama milim. Kol hakavod!
SBPDL;
‘ it defies all logic and reason that this nation is currently importing hordes of African nationals.
Such illogicality is further compounded by the fact that many of these African immigrants are totally illiterate, both cognitively and technologically.
None of which even addresses how they are often arriving from Islamic cultures which are brazenly antagonistic to all aspects of Western civilization.
Again, much of this is a direct result of Liberal Democrats cultivating tax consuming Mendicant Voter Plantations at the direct expense of White Middle Class tax producers.’
Ouch!
I still like you as a person, Met.
Me too. Not that I’m a narcissist.
WHATS AN INDIRECT DESCENDANT?
FROM DADDYS SIDE?
That would be you. 🙂
ARE YOU MARLIN?
I had a scholarship [not full] to a Franciscan HS,
got kicked out..
One brother graduated..2 others graduated Jesuit
High,…..get this, At the JHS the swim class was IN THE NUDE..ALL THOSE NAKED TEEN WHITE BOYS.
‘For instance, today I gave a bald fade to a member of the Laborers’ Union who graduated from JESUIT PREP SCHOOL for Christ’s sake.’
What point are you trying to make?
That hes better off illiterate?
What point are you trying to make?
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Good question, antisoak. As a carpenter I worked side by side with members of the Laborers’ Union. They are good and intelligent hard workers.
Asoka I meant about education, Catholic or otherwise…His ‘close down schools’???
His client had a Jesuit Education…???
AND GO JAN GO…TO HELL WITH OBAMANATION:
hat’s when things went sour. Obama and Brewer engaged in what reporters described as an “intense exchange,” with the Republican governor pointing her finger at the president and the two appearing to talk over each other.
The exchange ended when Obama abruptly walked away as Brewer appeared to still be speaking, according to a summary provided by reporters in the press pool that shadows the president on his trips.
Asked about the conversation, Brewer told the reporters that Obama was “a little disturbed” about her book, “Scorpions for Breakfast: My Fight Against Special Interests, Liberal Media, and Cynical Politicos to Secure the Border.’’
The book, which was published two months ago, details her conservative approach to dealing with the state’s illegal immigration challenges. An article in the Arizona Republic last fall said that Brewer cast Obama as “patronizing and condescending.”
She portrayed the federal government as “out of control” and said that the president lectured her during a June 2010 meeting in the Oval Office, the newspaper reported.
If you rather spend your time entertaining the idiocy that is ASOKA, then that’s your mental problem.
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Met, I hope you had time to listen to this poetry read by Eduardo Galeano (Uruguay) about the right to delirium. http://youtu.be/m-pgHlB8QdQ
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Idiocy 1. Extreme folly or stupidity.
He admitted that he is Marlin, our best John Birch Society representative on CFN.
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Also because a reply different from that would generate an infinite regression of symbols, other questions and answers, a never ending sequence of symbols until finally you have to assign an end point, and at the end point you must assign THE LAST SYMBOL which really means No Symbol at All, No Reason at All.
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Such a lyrical message! I’m also seeing the level of distrust rise with each passing day, even in the small things. The automatic ads that line the top and right side of my computer on certain sites (And, yes, I have pop-up blocker. Doesn’t stop them.) all have bold type descriptions such as “secret”, “trick”, or “Ohio Mom” ostensibly offering something to you that is withheld by the nebulous “they”. This is a small thing, but I think it means the ad is appealing to an audience who doesn’t trust anyone anymore.
Vlad (the original, not the lame imitator) seems to be getting an unfair amount of demeaning and rude comments lately. As far as gender-baiting goes, I agree with him. My husband and I have six children. Five boys and one girl. All different personalities, but the girl is definitely a world apart from her brothers. She’s a beauty as well as highly intelligent, but she’s different in the most basic way. Most rational parents without an agenda to push will agree that boys and girls are different, from birth on.
I am the parent sponsor for our Quiz Bowl Club and we’ve had a heck of a time getting more girls to turn out. Right now, we need to fill a slot that requires strength in math, plus some social aggression. Teenage girls are awful, but they are awful to each other, not usually the public or authority figures. The principal said we need to find a girl to apply for gender equity purposes. Girls have a brain as sharp as any boy, but they aren’t interested. Right now, only the boys have applied for the engineering program. Girls are welcome, they just aren’t interested. This isn’t some parental plot, it’s just the nature of most girls. Sociological History, music and literature are dominated by girls, and math, engineering and chemistry are dominated by boys. It’s not a plot, but many educators believe it is, so they spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince girls to enter these fields. There’s no overall gender difference in IQ, so it must come from the child, herself.
On another note, I have some interest in womens’ rights. Our oldest child is my son from my first marriage and when I divorced, there was no child support, a sham division of property and I never took, or was offered, food stamps, Section 8 housing, or any help at all. My first two jobs were highly “respectable” and paid below minimum wage. I gradually worked up to a much better job, but was amazed to find that the janitor (male) was paid more than the brightest woman. That was unfair, but it has changed. Blacks used to be lynched, but they aren’t anymore. Move On. I hope for the best for my highly intelligent sons, as well as my highly intelligent daughter. Too bad they’re entering this abysmal economy for which I blame both parties. (And yes, my sons can cook and do laundry. I consider those living skills, not “woman” skills. My daughter can change the oil in her car and a flat tire, but she doesn’t want to. With her looks, she will probably never have to do so.)
Metusaleh said:
This has ALWAYS been so. It’s only that now you’re getting a glimpse at the truth and realizing what a fool you have been to believe the CIA/Vatican propaganda all your life.
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I’m not quite sure how you ever came to believe that I ever believed the CIA (especially as an ex-NSA contractor who saw amazing sleaze “up close and personal”) or the Vatican. I have always looked at the Catholic Church as the “Whore of Babylon”.
Christianity died when the Council of Nicea institutionalized Christianity in 325 A.D.. into what is now Catholicism. The REAL Christians were the Gnostics who did not try to make an idol of Christ. They rightly put Mary Magdalene on an equal footing with Christ because she was redeemed by her humility and unconditional love.
Perhaps you should examine whether your “brush strokes” are too broad when you condemn all of us as tools of the Vatican or the intelligence industry. I am a vehement critic of both.
E.
Rhino said:
This QE stuff is all about keeping the casinos afloat.
Who’s running the casinos? Who’s pocketing the skim? Not you I’ll bet and sure as hell not me.
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You can bet your bottom dollar that they’ll rationalize the QE as “saving pension funds” so that at least the geezers (who VOTE) will believe their claptrap.
The problems will come as a clusterfuck in the second half of this decade as the increase in the NOMINAL DJIA won’t be close to covering inflation after the housing inventories normalize in a year or two. Right now, a surfeit of retail businesses plus housing deflation are the only offsetting forces against massive inflation. In a couple of years, the housing inventories will normalize and retail destruction (Border’s, Mervyn’s, etc.) will mean that fewer goods will be available with VASTLY more dollars chasing them.
In a scant few years, retirees like myself will be FORCED to own inflation hedges. Otherwise, even several hundred thousand dollars will start looking like a couple years of living instead of a decade of living. Meanwhile, wages are falling, oil just won’t go down for long, and workforce participation is at 28 year lows. This spells CIVIL DISORDER and it won’t just be in ghettos and barrios when it breaks out. These are MACRO trends that are so structurally built in to our economy right now that no force on earth can stop these events from unfolding. Globalism is going to make all of us CHINESE PEASANTS.
E.
Pray, tell me, how do you manage economically to have 6 children ? Does your husband make a lot of money ? I am only asking because of a comment I read on another website (the one above of the ex-socialist who says that there are “loads of jobs”, etc.), and so just to have a feel of how varied the “real economy” really is…
May I venture to guess ? I phanthom you have a few houses rented out and make good cash there, you both came from families with some cash and have inherited some houses, your husband is a doctor and makes more than 200,000 dollars a year, and you are a stay at home mom…
Just curious, I am always amazed at people that have more than two kids, how on earth do they ever pull it off money wise!?!?!
I was referring to your beliefs regards the US. You did not see the US as a vile malicious evil empire in your younger days. You were totally fooled and blinded by CIA/Vatican propaganda regards the evil machinations of the US, largely because of ignorance. You did not know then what you know now. You did not know the things you know today because I have not yet informed of these things, and you did not seek to learn these things on your own. You were an unwitting CIA/Vatican gov mafia employee. That’s who you worked for all your life. Be honest, you were a useful idiot and an ignorant fool.
..You did not know the things you know today because I have not yet informed ^you of these things..
Alarm! Alarm! Warning! Warning! Mental Disaster Area ! TILT ! Please Ignore these kinds of Posts. Thank You.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Extreme Subjectivity is the Only Science
In a sense, it is the entire process of Abstraction that is being questioned: we go from the particular, to the general, eliminating information that is not pertinent to the model. And we generalize, get rid of quirk “initial conditions” and quirk “single cases”, and set quirk arbitrary fixed parameters (speed of light, mass of electron, etc.) from measurements without questioning them in order to go forward, in order to find that which is in common between many different instances of similar events, repetitive patterns, etc.
In short we try to eliminate forms of subjectivity, the specific details of specific experiences, the never ending amount of information needed to describe something real, that is happening, some real configuration of matter in which it finds itself in.
And this is the general program of Science: but as soon as you start to change the design and manipulate that which has always been invariant, and namely the Observer, The Processor, the Man Brain and start putting the emphasis on specific experiences such a newly designed Man Brain can undergo, we go in a completely different direction from where Science has always been going: we accept, in a sense, that there are no more generalizations operating, only instantaneous point like events occurring by matter being set up in some unique and arbitrary configuration (random events occurring in a specific point in space and time) and self manipulating, talking to itself, interacting with itself, exchanging Information Relationships within itself.
And of course, generalizations and abstractions presuppose a common ground, and common reality, something a multitude of similar Observers have in common, the common way they interact and behave and the communication amongst them: but in a modified brain, common ground is no longer there and you can have a multitude of similarly modified brains exchanging some forms of communication, but you cannot know if they perceive a common “external reality” amongst themselves: and then who says that there must be multiple copies of similar man brains ? there could be many different specific, one time designs, it is just as good, there are no longer “Objective Rules” or “Intentionalities of Use” to follow (aside from the fact that multiple instances of a specific Man Brain (like ours and our Society) can be assigned as just one specific design of a Man Brain diffused in space and time and connected through communications of symbols and denotations and the imaginary “common external world” instead of being connected by hard wires in direct neural circuits in a small volume like any other specific design that is local and sufficient for itself ( a solid state civilization ?)).
In short, that which our present Science eliminates from “Science”, and namely subjectivity, actually becomes the only and total Science (Extreme Subjectivity as the only possible rules of engagements with Reality, hence all kinds of lies and self delusions are actually more real than any reality we have ever experienced) possible in Modified Man Brains, new designs of the Observer, new designs of the Processor…
Why Are You Buying Apple (And Other Chinese) Products?
– http://goo.gl/ZD94e
In other words Orthodoxy is a calcification of gnosticism, rather than gnosticism having been a Christian heresy. Try reading either “The Pagan Christ” by Harpur or “The Jesus Mysteries” by Freke & Gandy.
The Roman state cult of Orthdoxy/Latin Rite Catholicism was set up by the Emperor Constantine and his mother Helena, who personally toured the holy land setting up the more famous shrines still venerated today. The bishops at the coucil of Nicea, most of whom were Greek at that time, were given just two choices: endorse the creed or be expelled from the empire. At this time all of the unapproved writings extant from the early Christians were also burned to contribute to the illusion that the gospels were historical rather than mythological. Constantine was a monster who murdered his own son, much like Ivan the Terrible of Russia.
Globalism is going to make all of us CHINESE PEASANTS. E.
Ah, as you know I’ve been saying all along that we will all be working for a dollar a decade.
Good points, Mark.
Both the Orthodox creed and the Catholic creed are a creation of Imperial Rome, created to serve Rome and to kill the underground Christian insurrection. The early Christians are the Ebionites. They are the same group that had earlier been called the Nazarenes. Really they are the only Christians who can be called Christians. The rest is just Roman/Egyptian paganism.
Alarm! Alarm! Warning! Warning! Mental Disaster Area ! TILT !
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Please Ignore these kinds of Posts. Thank You.
But that is the point: Reality is only Pure Subjectivity, Extreme Subjectivity, nothing else, no one else exists, you are finally your own boss, be yourself, don’t have any kinds of considerations anymore (OTHER PEOPLE DON’T EXIST, USE THEM AS A TOOL, THEY ARE JUST DEAD PROCESSORS IN A SEA OF DEAD PROCESSORS TRYING TO “CONDITION” YOU), don’t be part of a circuit, be you own circuit, be your own Solid State Civilization: as the way our Man Brains are presently configured, we are like a diffused multiprocessor system (each person is a similar but distinct processor) and the data bus is the external reality, the communications and the sense organs inputs etc. But this is just a machine, and we are just a processor in a multiprocessor machine, but the entire machine as such is a single entity, a single monolithic slab of matter (the ball of matter of the earth with these puny processors interacting on its surface, go figure) : So just remove yourself from the machine and be your own universe, you can do it, go man go, do it…(Also because if you “Abstract” away the apparent, but virtual separate processors and just consider them all as just one entity, which they really are, then you see that the entire ball of matter of the earth with these processors on its surface is just a single Man Brain, a specific design of Man Brain simply occupying way more space, time and items than are necessary: you could probably condense the entire equivalent Information Relationship Ensemble of our Civilization into a small cube measuring one meter across, in width and height (1 M^3 of volume) assign it as a specific new Man Brain, and hence just as one of many trillions of other possible new designs of Man Brains: hence you just decide that you are a new specific design of Man Brain as opposed and different from that one meter cubed monolithic cube of interactions, you become your own Solid State Civilization and you make up all the rules and “Science”).
The entire program of Science and Objectivity is based on simply being part of an artificial machine that has no higher value, or metaphysical value or necessity than your own self programmed as wickedly as you want: for you to participate within the machine you must learn all the rules of engagements and all the Objective rules of Interaction both with other processors and with the communication formats entering you as an Observer, but especially the rules of interaction and engagements with those communication bits according to fixed internal Mental Programs incrementing the pleasure circuit events as opposed to the pain circuit events according to the reference system of pain/pleasure guiding the behavioral and interaction and output/input choices the processor executes.
And then, there is no higher or metaphysical or Spiritual or Abstract value of Objectivity as opposed to Subjectivity: they are simply different choices of interactions, they are just one and the same, only one has to follow rules of decency and constraint (and the rules of communication and somewhat survival (as defined simply as lasting as long as possible and avoiding executing too many pain circuits)), the other is mostly free of most rules.
TILT ! TILT !
TOBOR ATE MAN
TILT ! TILT !
I’m a human being, damn it! We are social animals. We are not isolated processors. We are not lonely islands to ourselves. We are human beings, damn it!
OTHER PEOPLE DON’T EXIST, USE THEM AS A TOOL…
if they don’t exist, how can you use them
this type of philosophic sounding diarrhea gets you exactly to what state/accomplishment?
it’s merely endless loop rubbish, you will be spouting this till 3099 A.D. to no effect.
i reserve the right to be wrong
peace peaceniks
Also reserve for yourself the right not to read drooling codswallop.
See? That’s better…….
;o)
Ok guys, I take it all back: I was all wrong, I am wrong, please erase all of my posts, erase all of those kind of posts, you all have win, I am a loser, a sore loser. End of Story.
Hey Juletta:
Pray, tell me, how do you manage economically to have 6 children ? Does your husband make a lot of money ? I am only asking because of a comment I read on another website (the one above of the ex-socialist who says that there are “loads of jobs”, etc.), and so just to have a feel of how varied the “real economy” really is…
May I venture to guess ? I phanthom you have a few houses rented out and make good cash there, you both came from families with some cash and have inherited some houses, your husband is a doctor and makes more than 200,000 dollars a year, and you are a stay at home mom…
Just curious, I am always amazed at people that have more than two kids, how on earth do they ever pull it off money wise!?!?!
You have a pretty name, I bet you are hot !…Do you want to be my girlfriend ? Pretty Please ? I promise I will not talk about my insane theories…Pretty Please ? Or better yet, be my Mommy, I need a Mommy more than anything else (and a Spanking!), you already have six kids, what’s one more extra ? just leave me playing in the backyard with my imagination, while you cook in the kitchen…
tx Owe-Zone, you made me laff!
best, welles
Howdy Clusterfuckers, What do you think about this as a solution to our energy problems?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
‘zone, I don’t know your location but out here in my area between Detroit and Toledo the CIA is running ad’s seeking people interested in careers on 89X CMIX out of Windsor Ontario. This is an Alternative Rock station beamed at the under 30 crowd.
They make it sound great. No layoffs at the CIA or anyother govt agency.
That’s a good one, RT.
Here’s the upgraded version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk&feature=related
And here’s a comment I lifted on it:
“This right here is sadly what normal people hear when they try to listen to normal science. It is so stupid that people that hear things like this try to decide what is best for our countries and? communities.” -youtube commenter-
I will add that this is also what “normal” people hear when they are reading Conspiratorial Theory from True Believers in one or another of the many conspiracies that float around out there.
Try to walk a mile in the other man’s shoes, folks.
(Yeah, I get the irony, asoka.. But I’d walk back home to my family, ASAP.)
Hanoi Jane cares ! Only because we Vet’s won’t let her forget her Treason ! Can you imagine how long the line of vet’s will be to piss on her grave when her time is up ?
I’ll be there, she’s earned that much !
“Pray, tell me, how do you manage economically to have 6 children ? Does your husband make a lot of money ?” -tegmark-
Teg, I’m going to go out on a CFN limb here – and say that this post of yours is lucid, logical, and intelligible. Way to go!
And you only posted it once, so far.
Cool!
“You’re not going to get informed following the guidance of people whose agenda is to discourage you from reading the source material.”
This is the argument you ignored last week about the book of Jude.
“If we trace it back far enough, we find that the real reason America supports the Israeli state is because many Jews and many Christians living here believe that the Jews are God’s Chosen People. This is what has underpinned America’s foreign policy in the Mideast for the past century. There are many Jews in Europe, too, but because the Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Fundamentalists are so scarce over there, support for Zionism is more limited. Why? Because, while they support human rights for all–including Jews–they do not think that one group is more human than others.
The opposite is true among Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Fundamentalists in America. Having been raised in this, I think I can speak with a certain amount of authority in this matter. I clearly remember how I was raised, and while many might try to deny the “racist” label, I can testify by personal experience that I was raised as a racist who believed that Jews were a superior race. And because God had “chosen” them–whether they were Christians or not, based purely upon their supposed superior genetics–we “gentiles” were obligated by God Himself to give them everything they asked for, and to protect them with our very lives.
This is the attitude that demands that our government support the Zionist state at all costs, even if it means wiping out billions of people by nuclear war. All non-Jews are, after all, secondary in importance to God, and are therefore expendable.
Once I became an adult and began to learn from sources other than my parents and church, it was not long before I realized that my viewpoint needed some serious alteration. The first thing that shook my foundations was when I learned that the Jews were not the biblical Israelites. I discovered that I had made that assumption without comprehending ===> the clear biblical distinction between Judah and Israel http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/WebPosting.cfm?LogID=3154
I went to a public high school( 1960 to 65) in NYC and our swim class was nude for the boys and with suits for the girls. Might’ve just been a way to show young men that not all are created equal.
Jim,
I am not sure why you think the Demopublican and Republicrat conventions are going to be seminal events in human history… this isn’t 1968 or Seattle 1999.
The conventions are professionally produced staged events, much like the Stupid Bowl coming up soon (er, I somehow forgot the date).
Add to the fact that police forces have been largely militarized, and you’ll have Charlotte and Tampa looking like Pittsburgh for the G-20 or the Baghdad Green Zone in 2007. Evacuated cities for the elites to conduct their business.
This is not to say that the elites have not lost their legitimacy. Indeed they have. There has yet to be an effective popular movement to knock things off center. It will not happen here for a long time to come.
The US isn’t the Arab spring — in spite of what NPR and CNN may stenograph to us. Those weren’t “Twitter Revolutions” or “Facebook Revolutions”. Most of these people don’t have broadband and 40% of Egyptians are illiterate. There were broad-based popular uprisings that had been simmering in the pressure cooker of poverty, oppression and degradation for decades. Like 1848.
The good old days of Bubba Clinton are not that long ago and people are still fat-n-happy for the most part. It will happen, but not in Charlotte or Tampa.
How mature of you!
Unfortunately Jane will outlive all the vets.
She did not commit treason because it was an undeclared war. She was a patriot protesting crimes against humanity and she was under the bombs falling on civilians. The vets were the ones damaging the USA by committing atrocities. And only a few of the vets were tried for their crimes.
Nice post…we are winning the Race To The Bottom and the fools keep cheering like it’s fuckin’ NASCAR !
Crazy times ahead for sure.
What is the point of your post exactly?
I read somewhere once that some ridiculous percentage of Americans could claim direct ancestory to Charlamagne….a majority if I remember correctly.
I’m thinking maybe you and Vlad have some history together, if you know what I mean…..and that’s not even counting the 10% of ‘caucasian’ Americans who have African ancestory as well.
Racism isn’t only stupid, it’s based on a false premise. In the U.S. race mixing has already occurred to such an extent that the concept is rapidly becoming moot.
I’m thinking maybe you and Vlad have some history together
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dale, that was kind of the point of my post: that we are all related. My post had nothing to do with racism. I was pointing out we are all one.
MD’s point is clear: Israel and Judah are not the same. Cf. Jeremiah 18 and Jeremiah 19.
D. This one’s for you.
I responded yesterday re: Neoliberalism. I hope you read it.
The best description of what’s going on is discussed this week on a radio program from Berkeley, Ca. by Michael Hudson, one of the few sane economic historians in the world.
He actually understands classical economics!! Unlike the idiots that spout nonsense on the media.
Now hear this:
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/77234#comment-11953
Wasn’t Michael Hudson the guy you linked to last year saying the Euro was going down and the USA economy would collapse as a result? sigh.
The last time I looked at major indices the Nasdaq was down about 50% from its tech bubble peak in 2000, the Dow and S&P have spiked up and down since 2000 but in the end went pretty much nowhere.
So your investments in the past 12 years are underwater in real terms by whatever rate of inflation over that time that you figure applies to you. 3% per year? 4% per year? More? Whatever you figure. Your only real return was from dividends.
I always found mighty puzzling official rates of inflation. 2%?. 3%?. 4%? This after American manufacturing was offshored to China with its miniscule wage rates. You’d think that overall inflation would be in the negative.
So something must have offset the effect of dramatically lowered costs ie maybe dramatically higher prices of goods and services produced domestically.
Or maybe firms that were offshoring didn’t lower prices charged in the US but rather pocketed the difference between American wage rates and Chinese slave rates. Maybe this helps account for why the 1% made out like bandits?
Or maybe inflation rates as published by govts are a worthless pile of shit that are massaged and fucked with until at best they tell you nothing useful and at worst actively mislead anyone dumb enough or unfortunate enough to have to put their trust in them.
Asoka, you haven’t yet explained to us yet about “karma” and its workings.
About how karma has acted to further undermine the well being of a small and commonly despised minority group in the US – Black people – and how karma has acted to further promote the good fortune and well being of the top 1% often at the expense of everyone else and especially Black people.
Still waiting…
Asoka, you’ve once again revealed your class loyalties and your snobbery by broadly characterizing tens of millions of Americans as follows:
…tattooed, beer drinking, NASCAR, military-supporting, pro-war, anti-Iran, anti-Taliban American workers… Asoka
And the sneering tone tells me you weren’t being complimentary. Am I right?
Asoka, what would we normally call such a negative or hostile depiction of such a large, diverse group of people?
Asoka, I left you some questions in response to all your happy talk about poverty. Maybe you missed them so I’ll repeat them:
“I have close relatives who are stunted from lack of food, whose legs are bent from ricketts. Ever seen that Asoka? Ever suffered hunger? Ever suffered hunger for months on end? Ever seen a bad harvest and know without a doubt that your kids will go hungry? Ever had a landlord take from your farm most of what you produce just because he wants to and because he has the bullyboy muscle to back it up? Ever occur to you that oppression goes hand in hand with poverty?”
Waiting for your answers Asoka.
I seen in person the flyblown pissholes my relatives came from and the sorry of other relatives sill living there Asoka. Ive visited the graves of other relatives that died young from diseases you and I would scoff at but which were fatal to them for lack of basic medicine.
So anyway, still waiting on your answers….
When you ask a sincere question, a question for which you don’t think you already know the answer, I might consider answering (from my position of elite snobbery among the 1%).
Meanwhile, I might remind you that the questions you are asking about karma require years of study. Whole books have been written on karma. CFN is not the appropriate venue for explaining such a concept.
For example, this book (which is only 26 pages long) is found in the Harvard College Library and might be helpful to you: Ending the enslaving power of Karma doctrine: Osho Rajneesh’s teachings on awareness, karma and rebirth. Bundoora, Vic, School of Asian Studies, La Trobe University.
If you persist in asking insincere questions, designed only to show Asoka is full of shit, I’m sure other will begin to perceive your multiple weekly posts for what they are: spam.
correction: “and the sorry of other relatives …”
should read: “and the sorry state of other relatives…”
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Meanwhile, I might remind you that the questions you are asking about karma require years of study. Whole books have been written on karma (1,358 of the books are in English). CFN is not the appropriate venue for explaining such a concept.
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
You see Asoka, you feel free to make attacks but then play the wounded innocent, proclaim someone’s responses/rebuttals/questions as beneath contempt or as ad hominem attacks.
And then coming out with this sorry-assed nonsense about having to study “karma” for oh so many years…
Laughable Asoka.
Fullashit Asoka.
Goodbye Asoka.
Or maybe firms that were offshoring didn’t lower prices charged in the US but rather pocketed the difference between American wage rates and Chinese slave rates. Maybe this helps account for why the 1% made out like bandits? R.
BINGO!!!
Now you understand why they did it. The wage and price differential and the currency manipulations.
No, my friends there will not be millions more jobs here.
The politicians know: Promise them anything, but give them…..
Goodbye Asoka.
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If only it were true.
You’ll be back, calling bullshit on whatever I post.
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You’ll be back, calling bullshit on whatever I post. It’s your karma.
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You’ll be back, calling bullshit on whatever I post. – Asoka
Sure why not Asoka.
As I said in my responce to P2C, idiocy gets halfway around the world before reason has a chance to gets its pants on.
So when I read your posts I have my pants on.
Because you see Asoka, stupidness gets traction. Don’t ask me why but it does. And I see you posting stupidness that offshoring is collective punishment for the unworthy, beer drinking American worker.
So please fucking excuse me Asoka, I was raised by the great unwashed, the “smerd” that you so despise and I know many of them well. Do you seriously think you can make ludicrous statements and then just walk away ha-ha-ha-ing? Sorry asshole, not happening.
It is in fact the fight between theories and details, abstractions and all the little details of reality: and in fact both Science and Religion and Thought itself with all of its models, predictions, the perfectly under control world of rules with no surprises that is then always contradicted by the random details of reality: the same reason why Communism doesn’t work is the same reason why Capitalism doesn’t work or the Global Economy doesn’t work: on paper and in theory everything is under control and predictable, in reality there are a never ending array of contrasting, contradictory and contradicting forces going in all directions and always contradicting your model, your prediction, your perfectly under control world in the comfort of your mind. And so it is with Physics,its equations are perfect except try to predict the next wave on a shore, the perfect equations don’t work anymore because you need too many initial conditions and there are no analytical solutions to non linear partial differential equations; same with the three body problem.
A kind of balance, the more the theory is abstract and can predict reality the less details are present in it, but the less it can be applied to a concrete reality; whereas the more details you observe and include in a descrition, model or theory the less they can predict, the more you are just dealing with an observation and measurement. But Modified Minds can extend the entire range; from extreme random details only to extremely perfectly theoretical contraptions.
You what also puzzles me L is why these great corporate chiefs would think that this business model of offshoring to oppressive slave wage regimes is in any way sustainable.
Laying off the market that buys your goods for the purpose of employing slave workers that have no hope in hell of buying those same goods makes no sense to me.
Nor does moving so many corporate assets/technology/knowledge to a place that has pretty much zero respect for intellectual property. It’s just asking for theft which is pretty much what is happening.
This thing only works in the short/medium term which is what they only care about anyway. Make the big score, cash out, launder the loot by buying yachts and mansions and gold bullion and watch the world sink and try not to laugh in public.
GreyGhost5 sed, “The people behind the Occupy movement are at best communist revolutionaries. Bill Ayers and Bernette Dorhn and their followers still want to bring down America and establish a totalitrian socialist state. They have the CP-USA, DSA and the backing of various Soros funded foundations. There is more then enough seed money to stir up some real shit.”
That is hilarious. The only organization glomming on to Occupy around here was the unions. Nobody hired homeless people to camp in the park. Making signs, occupying, and marching around are low-budget activities within reach of anyone.
This is just messy, spontaneous activism by people without economic options.
There were a few services available at the local occupy, mostly volunteer services, donated food and clothing, and things of that nature. No one was handing out money. Occasionally there would be a hat passed to collect for materials or other marginal costs.
Bill Ayers and Dhorn want to “bring down America” to use your words. Well, did they, blowing up bombs in unoccupied government buildings to protest the American war in Vietnam and elsewhere? You think “bringing down America” is a reasonable goal? Is such a thing possible? No it is not. And the WU kids were smarter than the average bear and wouldn’t have had such a delusional idea. Theirs was a symbolic gesture at best. America can’t be “brought down”, unless by the general character of its citizenry.
“I never would support the use of any means outside of the electoral process to bring about any kind of change. Violence is never the 1st choice for solving any problem.”
But isn’t that a naive sentiment? Tell that to John Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Wayne. The electoral system was birthed in violent rebellion.
You’d bend over backward to honor their achievement without granting their methods any respect? If this were 1775 you’d be a Tory?
“I never would support the use of any means outside of the electoral process to bring about any kind of change.”
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This said by a guy who supports Vets.
And what did Vets do, what “means” did they use? They picked up a gun and went to make change.
There’s NO happiness in poverty and deprivation. _-Rhino
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Right. We agree. Happiness is not related to economics. – Asoka
Just had to draw attention to this statement from ASOKA. This is world class. Hard to come up with words for this.
Just Mind blowing.
MIND FUCKING BLOWING.
Of course it’s the wages, along with the slave like conditions and the long working hours and the lack of environmental standards and the subsidies.
Just like they destroyed Iraq and Libya to get the oil and because Saddam and Ghaddafi were going to sell oil in other than dollars and they wanted Libya’s gold and water and they wanted bases in Africa and the Middle East.
Are you saying that you believe what the 1% tells you their motives are?
They lie. They all lie. They’re lying pieces of shit and they are destroying the planet and everything on it to make profits, and then they lie and tell you it’s for your own good. Or the good of slaves in China or dead victims in Iraq and Libya. Yeah, it’s all about freedom and democracy and jobs.
They lie.
Rhino, why would you suppose that a CEO who offshores a bunch of functions and/or employees from their corporation would care in the least if this process is sustainable in the longterm?
The oil is not for Americans, Mister C.
They are piping it to Texas to be refined and then shipped to other countries.
The part you don’t understand is that the 1% doesn’t care about you. They aren’t interested in you getting cheap oil. They aren’t interested in ordinary Americans.
If you understood that, you would understand the pipeline.
Rhino,
What’s happening is that there is a burgeoning middle class in China and other BRIC countries, though small in comparison to our once late great middle class here, the vision thing is to have a very small middle class around the globe and lots of low wage debt slaves who can’t afford the basics.
I agree that it won’t suffice. I also agree about the intellectual property issues.
Last month I was working with an industrial design firm who manufactures in China. Most of the photos for catalogues I work with are shot here by experienced American photographers, but some came in last minute and under duress from China. Hey this guy didn’t even know to clean the lens before shooting–I mean come on..
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Wage, agreed. Did you listen to Guns N Butter this week? (Michael Hudson explains it all for you).
Well, according to some studies, economic prosperity and happiness are not necessarily correlated. Nigerians claim to be some of the happiest people on the planet, yet most are quite poor by world standards. Happiness often has more to do with social connection to family and friends, rather than possession of the most expensive goods. Now, of course, you get into the difficulty of gauging people’s happiness in different cultures and comparing the results. To me, that’s quite subjective. But soka’s statement has some truth to it.
Just had to draw attention to this statement from ASOKA.
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Yes, I agree. You “just had to draw attention” …
… that is your role, your duty, your karma. I salute you. You are doing a good job.
About the Pipeline.
I mentioned the other day to check out gregpalast.com about the software that’s supposed to send an alert when there is a leakage—of course a whistle blower had to complain that it’s off line cuz it would cost the oil companies big bucks if it actually worked!!
The pipleline will be running through fragile areas over the US bigget aquifer spanning several states and the steel is from China. Employment: 6,500–not really the panacea the Repugs are chanting.
Exactly. The US Forest Service is going to give Peabody Coal 300 acres of our local National Forest to strip mine.
The Endangered Species Act, passed in the 70s, when Americans actually cared about their country, means nothing anymore, compared to corporate profits.
Obama the Liar said that we have 100 years of natural gas, and we are going to destroy water supplies for 500 years to get it, burn it, and leave nothing for our children. (OK, I’m paraphrasing).
Even if we did have 100 years of natural gas ( a lie that only Marlin seems to fall for on this blog), is it responsible to destroy our forests, farmland and water supplies to get it?
And after it’s gone, then what? The most optimistic talking heads admit that we have limited supplies of fossil fuels.
Why destroy our ecosystem to get the last bits? When we know that when they’re gone, we have to adjust anyway?
What kind of people would do such a thing?
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The field of happiness studies is well established and uses social sciences methodology. They make clear the criteria, the research design, the data, etc. It’s not hocus-pocus subjective guessing.
My statement has some truth to it because it is not just based on academic studies. It is based upon over a decade living in the third world.
Obama the Liar said … we are going to destroy water supplies for 500 years to get it, burn it, and leave nothing for our children. (OK, I’m paraphrasing).
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LOL! Thank goodness!
I did not remember Obama saying those words, or even expressing that sentiment in other words.
Ipso facto, he must be lying.
Great post, met.
Obama the Liar talked about the infamous “international community” again in the Lies About the Union speech.
Oh, yeah, Iran is isolated. Not.
At least this time the US has parts of Europe and the Arab League with them.
Usually, it’s just the US and Israel and Costa Rica and Micronesia, as the “international community”.
No, he left that part out.
But anyone who knows anything about fracking knows that it destroys water supplies.
Mumuration is the effect that I was suggesting when I wrote about to you before. The murmuration effect is caused by astrology. Whenever culture makes a shift it is provably triggered by the slow-moving and massively impacting forces of the outer planets. Early in the history of humanity astrologers knew only the visible planets out to Saturn. Each subsequent planetary body was discovered at a time when the numbers of humans were exponentially multiplying and society was reinventing itself in modern terms. I know that many people don’t accept or recognize astrology as a valid influence in our daily affairs but what will it take to shock people into waking up to see that nature is trying to guide us by showing us what is possible. For an early human record check out Genesis l:14. Even the cross of Christianity is really the four cardinal compass points; the rest of the Christian religion grew out of other astrological phenomenon as well (the sun rising three days after the winter solstice is the source of the resurrection metaphor). There are many who can see somethings clearly and understand them but not as many who chose to investigate truth after high school.Contact me for more.
Here is something Obama did say, verbatim:
“Send me a bill that bans insider trading by members of Congress; I will sign it tomorrow”
Now the Senate is going to vote on such a bill, taking away from members of congress the right to do insider trading.
It will be interesting to see how the voting goes on taking away congressional power to get rich on insider trading.
And causes holy hell with the plates … leading to earthquakes.
Vote Jill Stein. Vote Green Party.
Are you Cash?
He hasn’t told the story about how many people he knows from communist countries and how terrible life was for them. Cash would have done that by now.
Of course, we could give him the immoral bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki test.
The EPA has issued a report that is a result of years of water testing in fracking areas by over 20 Ph.D.s and scientists from across the country. (Yes, the same EPA Ron Paul wants to eliminate completely)
The EPA use the best known science and testing protocols.
The EPA samples were analyzed at multiple labs to ensure quality control.
The EPA investigation was conducted to understand the condition of drinking water wells and water aquifers.
The EPA found the water was contaminated.
So, the industry (and some states) attack the EPA findings as being “political” … they completely ignore the science.
It is just the opposite. The industry and state government opposition to the EPA report on fracking is politically and economically motivated.
Rhino, ctemple, newworld and marlin all use this line – setting working Americans against progressives, as if the 1% were all progressives, and regular Americans were all conservative.
But 69% of Americans think that if people can’t care for themselves, the government should provide them with care.
77% of Americans think that the minimum wage should be increased.
71% of Americans think that corporate taxes should be raised.
62% of Americans think that abortion should be legal.
66% think that the Social Security cap should be raised.
65% think that we should not have so many overseas bases.
These are vast majorities of regular Americans, not the elite that our right wing contributors set up as strawmen.
It’s getting a little old, guys and gal.
I’m guessing that you broke up with your girlfriend, Bustin.
You get really cranky when you’re not getting laid.
About fracking earthquakes:
Youngstown, Ohio has had 11 fracking earthquakes since D & L Energy began injecting drilling waste underground in December 2010. Coincidence?
SOURCE:
Andrew, K. (2012, January 22). Fracking shakes the Earth. Holland Sentinel. (Holland, MI)
Well, I agree it was an inside job, but more than the CIA was involved.
Clearly, there had to be high members in the military involved, in order to shut down the normal Air Force response to hijackings.
State Department staffers overseas testified that they were overruled on visas for the Arab pasties.
FBI members testified that top FBI brass sat on their reports of the Arab patsies who were training at small airports in the US.
It seems clear to me that Cheney was involved, especially in the cover-up, when he “disappeared” for the weeks following the spectacle.
We’ll never know who all was involved, unless we somehow overthrow the criminals in charge of our government and have a real investigation.
I do think that we should focus suspicion on those who got promotions and/or medals after their so-called “failure” to “protect” us on 9-11.
Well, Old, she lives in a mythical small town called Lake Woebegon, where all the men are strong (like her husband, who protects her by sitting in the car while she fights Black people in the cornflake aisle at the grocery store), all the women are good-looking (but modest, like good Christians) and all the children are above average, (like her six). Unfortunately, she seems to have lost one in the last couple of weeks. She used to have a five year-old girl, along with her beautiful teenaged girl, with the long blonde hair.
Sex change? Untimely death? Just wondering.
The worldwide industry of hydraulic fracking is expected to increase 19 percent and hit $37 billion in 2012.
According to a new report from Spears & Associates Inc. North America will account for more than $30 billion of that money as development in the Marcellus Shale formation above Appalachia and other natural gas fields accelerates.
So, now instead of being the ones who rape the rest of the world for its natural resources, the USA is going to be raped, its drinking water left contaminated, its people left to die, its people treated the way Third World people have been treated by the USA.
The USA had a good run, exploiting workers to get copper from Chile (Anaconda), overthrowing democratically elected governments, stealing from the whole world.
But now things are going to change and the USA is going to be the exploited Third World country.
For those able to adapt, a lowered standard of living will be a blessing in disguise, once they get over their anger, once their bruised egos heal, once they accept the USA is not #1 anymore.
Those who insist the “American Way of Life” is not negotiable are going to suffer.
Karma’s a bitch.
This month’s Monthly Review points out that the widespread distribution of manufacture and assembly makes it difficult to say where things are really manufactured.
“As the Asian Development Bank Institute indicated in a 2010 study of iPhone production: “It is almost impossible [today] to define clearly where a manufactured product is made in the global market. This is why on the back of iPhones one can read ‘Designed by Apple in California, Assembled in China.’” Although both statements on the back of the iPhones are literally correct, neither answers the question of where the real production takes place. Apple does not itself manufacture the iPhone. Rather the actual manufacture (that is, everything but its software and design) takes place primarily outside the United States. The production of iPhone parts and components is carried out principally by eight corporations (Toshiba, Samsung, Infineon, Broadcom, Numonyx, Murata, Dialog Semiconductor, and Cirrus Logic), which are located in Japan, South Korea, Germany, and the United States. All of the major parts and components of the iPhone are then shipped to the Shenzhen, China plants of Foxconn (a company headquartered in Taipei) for assembly and export to the United States.
Apple’s enormous, complex global supply chain for iPod production is aimed at obtaining the lowest unit labor costs (taking into consideration labor costs, technology, etc.), appropriate for each component, with the final assembly taking place in China, where production occurs on a massive scale, under enormous intensity, and with ultra-low wages. In Foxconn’s Longhu, Shenzhen factory 300,000 to 400,000 workers eat, work, and sleep under horrendous conditions, with workers, who are compelled to do rapid hand movements for long hours for months on end, finding themselves twitching constantly at night. Foxconn workers in 2009 were paid the minimum monthly wage in Shenzhen, or about 83 cents an hour. (Overall in China in 2008 manufacturing workers were paid $1.36 an hour, according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data.)”
We know that this kind of production is unsustainable. Why are they doing it?
I think that it’s harder for workers to organize, or have general strikes, when production is spread throughout different countries. The Tower of Babel rules.
The full article is here-
http://monthlyreview.org/2011/11/01/the-global-reserve-army-of-labor-and-the-new-imperialism
Right, lbendet.
When Obama the Liar says that American children must all go to college to compete with the Chinese, he’s lying again.
Very few Chinese people go to college. The Monthly Review had a chart, and way fewer of them are going to college now that capitalism has made its way into China.
They do, however, work for shitty wages, in horrible working conditions, with no benefits.
THAT’S what Obama is talking about, when he talks about Americans competing.
Going back to the US of the 19th century.
Yeah, you don’t get to speak for all Vietnam vets, greyghost.
I saw the video of Jane Fonda and her FTA tour. Thousands and thousands of cheering GIs enjoying the show. The media has tried to rewrite that history, but I’m not falling for it.
I never knew a pro-war Vietnam vet until I moved to Illinois. (And I hang with two anti-war vets to this day.)
Every vet I ever knew hated the war, and hated the people who sent him there.
But you were all about it? I question your morals.
Wage,
Watch Three Days Of The Condor. The CIA is placed inside the WTC. 9/11 is an old plan. We’re living a script. A script that was written some 50 years ago.
Yes, I listened to Guns and Butter. He’s one of my favorites.
Ha, ha, you’re right. I guess it’s not him.
Thanks for posting the info about fracking, the lies about natural gas and the mention of Jill Stein.
http://www.jillstein.org/
Note that she is NOT for fracking.
Yep, They do want more students to owe lots to the banks.
I would say that both parties want the same thing. Just that there is a different style in how they say it.
Low wages for all–now that’s a slogan
Yes, I agree. Obama is working so hard to get factories back in the USA, like Intel. So, workers can work in factories?
That is progress, standing on a line watching widgets go by eight hours a day?
I think the West could learn something from Gandhi and his program of popular self-organization called the Sarvodaya movement.
We don’t need no stinkin’ venture/vulture capitalists to build factories to work in.
What we need is to figure out, within our own communities, how to meet basic human needs of food, shelter, and clothing, without involving multinational corporations or long-distance truckers.
Starve the beast. Imitate Tripp. Take Metuselah’s advice to withdraw support wherever possible from the imperialists and exploiters. Tune in, turn on, drop out.
By the way, I was sitting outside Tuesday, enjoying the balmy January day, when I saw a bunch of blackbirds flying by.
They changed directions almost as one, except for a bunch who didn’t. Some of them kept flying the other way, some just flew down and landed, some headed in random directions.
But most of them flew together. Not that humans are like birds. Oh, no.
Damn! This is the best news this week. Even the damned starlings, with their itty bitty cognition, don’t toe the line when it comes to murmuration.
What explains murmuration?
Not magnetite.
Not the magnetic force fields surrounding the Earth.
Not some kind of collective cognitive processing beyond our understanding.
Not “an individual basically doing what other individuals beside, above or below, them do.”
Fuck all that.
There appear to be starlings who have joined OWS! They aren’t marching to the same drummer anymore.
… but meanwhile the local plant just shut down throwing a thousand people out of work. One plant, then another, then another, then another and pretty soon millions of jobs are as gone as can be.
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Where is the campaigns ad featuring stadium after filled stadium symbolic of the once teeming middle-class of America? Where is the campaign ad juxtaposing those same stadiums now empty and barren against their former vibrancy? Where are the luxurious skyboxes filled with salivating hyenas celebrating the blight they have engineered even as the foundation they throne upon withers and wastes away? And where is the chilling visual dénouement, a cold chain and pad lock sealing off the dignified life of a decent job that enabled true family values to flourish devoid of the need to work two or three part time jobs in order to make ends meet?
But that ad would need to be in service of a righteous candidate. And that is the rub, at least as far as the two major parties go and the ability to pay for real ads representing real life. So the bought and paid for campaign ad hacks continue to write their predictable, scripted propaganda. And the idiots, fools, and shrills continue admitting themselves to the nightmare of glistening skyboxes and pre-game jingoism as if chanting “We’re Number One” will somehow pay the bills.
Well, they were blackbirds, not starlings. But, other than that, Yeah!
You’re welcome, Wage. As you know, the arrogance of the energy CEOs is incredible.
For example, the CEO for the Colorado Oil & Gas Association said of fracking opponents:
“These nuts make up about 90 percent of our population, so we can’t really call them nuts any more. They’re the mainstream.”
What she could and should have said:
“Opposition to fracking is widespread and accounts for up to 90% of the population, as such we need to address mainstream concerns and reassure the public about our industry.”
And she should embrace BIG GOVERNMENT in the form of EPA and respect the scientific evidence that EPA has found related to fracking.
My friend (one of the anti-war Vietnam vets) told an interesting story the other day.
He said that he was stationed at Fort Bliss in the 60s, and the wife of a major told him that she was stationed with her husband in some Asian country (Burma? Damn. I already forgot) after WW2.
She kept hearing gunshots in the morning, and she kept asking her husband what it was, but he wouldn’t tell her.
Finally, one day he took her up on the mountain, and she saw down into the valley. She saw families being killed.
The Chiang Kai-shek people sent soldiers to the US to be trained (like Obama’s father and step-father, but in the military instead college), and kept their families as hostages.
Some of the soldiers refused to go back to the KMT and instead went home to mainland China. The KMT was massacring their families, and that was the noise she was hearing.
The CEO of Colorado Oil & Gas Association did note that the energy industry has a 7% approval rating. Her solution is for the energy industry to use a hipper marketing campaign that catered to “people that like South Park.” She reportedly urged executives to get on Facebook and get savvy with social media tools.
Her solution, in essence, is to listen to the public only up to the point of being able to better sway them to her point of view.
Compare this with the customer is always right mantra, which was thrown in a landfill at some point in the 80s. It was replaced with a belief that CEOs are infallible, irreplaceable, and downright better than everyone else. As such, they’re not interested in changing their behavior. They’re only interested in changing your behavior to better fit their business model.
This gets to the heart of our current economic and growing social crisis. Wall Street and the CEOs are too out of touch to know they’re wrong and too arrogant to admit it. When an industry has a 7% approval rating and still can’t admit its business model is fundamentally wrong then they lose the privilege of dictating the status quo.
They must change, and we must make them do it since they refuse to. Time to take back our country.
“……Arab pasties.” – Wagelaborer
These I presume are a pair of small cup-like coverings for the nipples of Saudi Arabian strippers?
Are you Q?
You’re right about that. Exports of refined petro products was in the news last week. The US exports a lot of oil. I’m not sure of the numbers, but I think it’s around 25% of the amount we import which makes no sense. Seems that we could add a little balance to the Trade deficet if we kept our oil and cut imports by the amount we export. That is just too fuckn’ simple isn’t it !
As for morals and views on war. I do have some morals and I don’t believe we should’ve gone into Iraq or A’stan. It is ok to hunt down and deal with the people responsible. We didn’t need to destroy Iraq or saddam in the process. That was very wrong. But I do feel strongly that what Jane Fonda did during the war was very inappropriate. I find that Ron Paul’s approach to foreign policy and military involvement to be about where we should be.
“When an industry has a 7% approval rating…..etc” – Asoka
Does the same hold true for presidential candidates so that if Jill Stein gets 7% or less of the vote she should admit her political model is fundamentally wrong?
Ron Paul ran for president in 2008. Did you vote for him, or write him in, or did you vote for McCain?
Ron Paul ran for president in 2004. Did you vote for him, or write him in, or did you vote for Bush?
Forgive me for being just a little suspicious about “anti-war” folks, who are suddenly for Ron Paul, saying “we shouldn’t have gotten involved” in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Where were you when we were “getting involved”? Saying to bomb the “radical Islamists”?
I was in the streets after 9/11 screaming not to bomb Iraq, and not to bomb Afghanistan. The hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq or Afghanistan. I was saying “WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER”
Ron Paul is a loyal Republican, a Texas evangelical Republican, a life-long politician, who votes 77% of the time with the Republicans.
Welcome back, Q (Q as in Quiche… very cute!)
Multinational corporations are profit-making out to take the money out of our pockets.
Jill Stein is not a corporation. She is a person! And she is not out to separate us from our money.
I was in the streets after 9/11 screaming not to bomb Iraq, and not to bomb Afghanistan.
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Yeah, but that person is long dead. Now all you are is a ghost writer on the internet.
Two rental houses, inherited. Good luck with that. Renters are CRAZY! Yes, my parents were wealthy farmers (they’re dead now). When they died, my brothers got the farm to “keep it in the family”, but I did get some money which helped put several of my kids through college, with three more waiting in the wings. My husband has a good job, not a doctor, but so do I. (RN) I worked until the birth of the last two children when it became non-cost-effective to work.
One trick I can pass on to you is that when feeding teenage boys, interchangeable with a hoard of locuts, start dinner with a starch. Our first course was one of three things: bread pudding, rice pudding or macaroni and cheese. They could have as much as they wanted and it cut down on expensive meat. The first course was always homemade and nutritious. Things were rough for quite awhile. Kids are expensive. I cooked everything myself, gardened and canned, raised chickens plus sewed clothes for the little ones. We didn’t eat out and Thank God there weren’t the expensive electronics there are today for half of them.
I don’t want to hear how I’m ruining the earth by producing six children. They’re intelligent, hard working, responsible kids and are certainly tax contributors. We’re a German Catholic family and large families aren’t unusual in our area. I much prefer it to NYC or Chicago or LA which you can keep.
Yr the poster who denied Maos Killing of 70,000,000
..was it mid last year?
In the ‘Might Yahoo Have an Agenda’ category
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“I don’t want to hear how I’m ruining the earth by producing six children.”
What, German Catholics don’t burn gasoline, create garbage, or contribute to the footprint of humanity on this earth? Gosh, aren’t you people special.
Well, I suppose I’m suggesting that happiness is relative. Maybe for some people it just means having a roof over their head and food to eat, with a few close friends and family, and then they will report being perfectly content. The bar moves for the more wealthy, who have different standards. In other words, I don’t know how you normalize a question like, “Are you happy?” It seems like a naturally fuzzy concept.
“Why destroy our ecosystem to get the last bits? When we know that when they’re gone, we have to adjust anyway?”
That’s just the relentless, remorseless workings of our capitalistic society, my friend.
That’s just the relentless, remorseless workings of our capitalistic society, my friend.
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Then deny them their corporate charter and license to operate. Across the board.
“Seems that we could add a little balance to the Trade deficet if we kept our oil and cut imports by the amount we export.”
Hi.
US oil is not extracted by the US Nation Petroleum Company, which doesn’t exist, but by many different private operators, who function independently and internationally, and can sometimes get better prices for the oil when it is exported, as opposed to sold domestically. So it makes perfect sense.
Yes?
LOL! You know me so well.
But, Met, you have to understand that was before the Vatican siths got to me. 🙂
Now I am nothing but a jihadi (of the Greater Jihad)
No. You are no such thing. You are a ghost. A ghost on the internet. Exciting existence it is.
Might anti soak have an agenda?
After 9-11, I was calling for bombing Florida, since we were told that that is where the hijackers were trained.
Logic is not the strongpoint of the US ruling class.
Mika/Metusaleh said:
I was referring to your beliefs regards the US. You did not see the US as a vile malicious evil empire in your younger days. You were totally fooled and blinded by CIA/Vatican propaganda regards the evil machinations of the US, largely because of ignorance. You did not know then what you know now. You did not know the things you know today because I have not yet informed of these things, and you did not seek to learn these things on your own. You were an unwitting CIA/Vatican gov mafia employee. That’s who you worked for all your life. Be honest, you were a useful idiot and an ignorant fool.
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When your FIRST assumption about a person is that your wisdom predates their awakening, you have a classic “Messiah Complex” but any REAL Messiah would never assume the WORST of people as a PREMISE.
It makes it appear as if your GOAL on the site is to thump your own chest because you seek “victories” over other people instead of having conversations with peers.
Finally, even though I detest (and always have) the Catholic Church, it does not mean that I believe they’re involved in every evil plot of earth. Conspiracy theorists of this sort bore me because their fallacious thinking is: “Believe that entity X is involved in all evil and then look for any evidence that would support this belief, no matter how tenuous”.
Just because I enjoyed ONE of your posts, don’t let it go to your head as though you were the one that opened my eyes. It was one good post but the BEST part of the post was your take on US involvement in Iran … not the drawing-in of the Catholic Church on this matter.
E.
“messianicdruid’s point is clear: Israel and Judah are not the same. Cf. Jeremiah 18 and Jeremiah 19.”
You should be willing to follow your own rules.
GreyGhost said:
Nice post…we are winning the Race To The Bottom and the fools keep cheering like it’s fuckin’ NASCAR !
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It just shows how a media-saturated culture will believe anything fed to them even when it violates the evidence of their own senses. In my own social milieu, in every direction I turn, the stories all seem to involve slow financial decay. Two people I know are now on welfare that can’t even find menial jobs around here.
Back in Pennsylvania where my Dad lives, Christmas was MUCH more dour this year because several people in his sphere are having troubles.
I just listen. I don’t PROMPT people to tell me tales of woe. It’s just the way it’s being reported to me by everyone from remote acquaintances to long-time friends to relatives. Unlike the 1990s, I no longer hear “victory dances” about how someone landed that plum job or how boy X met girl Y and it’s love.
My observations of the young fill me with sadness: A kid with a Mechanical Engineering degree from Dartmouth who killed himself because he had $60K in debt and no job offer in 18 months. A girl who, at 16, was a national caliber swimmer and had offers to go to Juilliard for piano … and now she’s got enough metal in her face to make a sculpture, chain smokes, and works as a barista.
The one positive story I’ve heard is a student of mine from my last year of teaching who got into UC Santa Cruz’ Ph.D. program in Computer Science but this kid was so brilliant and with such exemplary character that he would succeed in any culture barring a Mad Max scenario.
People are suffering while America creates perpetual war for perpetual peace with money it doesn’t have that it steals from its own people.
E.
No. Your crude attempt at “misunderstanding” my post regards the US and trying to deflect it was a classic tell of a liar. It’s the same as the increase in the physical involuntary blinking rate when lying. You couldn’t help it. Your ego was involved and you couldn’t admit that which I required you admit. It would shatter your image of yourself. You still can’t and wont admit it. As to my classic “Messiah Complex”, flattery will get you nowhere.
Rhino,
The “puzzling” rates of inflation are because the inflation figures are a composite of costs of things you don’t need and things that are vital for your life. Things that you don’t need or need very seldom are likely to be deflating while things you need every week (food, heating/cooling, healthcare) are inflating.
That’s why I regard single numbers with a certain disdain because they hide multitudes of conflicting data.
E.
You should be willing to follow your own rules.
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Which are? Please refresh my memory.
America creates perpetual war for perpetual peace with money it doesn’t have that it steals from its own people. E.
That’s quite a system they’ve got us in. For many years we had enough going that we didn’t notice. People lost their homes because of medical costs, but they suffered alone. 2008 was the watershed where everyone noticed and as it has become increasingly clear, the whole philosophical construct of globalism and monetarism is being viewed by the average citizen with much more intensity.
As I mentioned in the past, an engineer I work with occasionally said he graduated from Columbia and couldn’t get a job so he went to Stanford for grad school and after a year of looking he finally got this job.
I once lived in a functional society.
MessianicD,
This post of yours has resonated more with me than anything else you have ever written.
“If we trace it back far enough, we find that the real reason America supports the Israeli state is because many Jews and many Christians living here believe that the Jews are God’s Chosen People. This is what has underpinned America’s foreign policy in the Mideast….” -md-
There it is. If Metuselah doesn’t understand why this is important, then there is no hope for anyone – either in Israel or in the US. Pres. O., no less, verbally signed off on this concept near the end of his SOTU speech, just two nights ago.
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And regarding your church upbringing, MD, I can certainly relate to what you say here,
“Having been raised in this, I think I can speak with a certain amount of authority in this matter. I clearly remember how I was raised, and while many might try to deny the “racist” label, I can testify by personal experience that I was raised as a racist who believed that Jews were a superior race. And because God had “chosen” them–whether they were Christians or not….” -md-
My church never went quite this far into racial “genuflection?” toward generic Jews – – BUT, there was never ANY doubt that we Southern Baptists and the Jews shared the same God – and that He was (and Is) one Big Bad Boss Man.
As a little kid I liked animals. I could picture sitting down like Daniel in the lion’s den, without any problems at all.
But, whoa man – I had had a couple of burns and an incident or two with fire growing up – and the tale of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego riveted my attention and, quite literally, scared the Hell out of me for quite a long while.
The story of those three was in my Sunday School book – with vivid pictures to match. There was no doubt in my young mind that I could calmly sit in a fiery furnace like Shadrach, Meshach, or Abednego – ONLY IF I was backed up by some intense Prayers to a powerful, jealous, and vengeful God.
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I had, again quite literally, never considered to possibility that a Jew could be an Atheist – until I encountered two such persons on this very CFN blog. I still find that encounter to be amazing, all the way around.
More later, on this subject.
Sorry Ozone and you other atheists – but this stuff strikes incredibly deep, with an awful lot of people. And US/Israeli relations are part and parcel of geopolitics that appear quite likely to trigger TLE – sooner or later, and one way or another.
Metuselah doesn’t understand why this is important
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No. Metuselah believes it is a lie. Complete horse shit. And Metuselah is going to call you on this lie.
The whole Truth and nothing but is my agenda.
“complete horse shit” -met-
I’m at a loss for words, Met. (well, almost)
There is a HUGE subset of the Christian community inside the United States that identifies 100% with Israel. Whether this is because they want to support all the Jews (as messianicdruid explains) or whether they want to bring about the Second Coming of The Lord Jesus Christ – – this Christian support for Israel is total.
Met – don’t tell me you believe the US supports Israel only because there is oil in the neighborhood. And please don’t parse the meaning of “US support.” Our elites can not move that far outside of their base of support inside the US.
And support for Israel among most all US Jews and many, many US Christians is basic, visceral, and unthinking.
We’re (Met, MD, and me – with anyone else who wants to jump in here) just trying to figure out why this is the case. And to figure out whether this total support is altogether a good thing for the US and for Israel, going forward.
Who ya gonna call? mythbusters:
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/booklet.cfm?PID=96
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/booklet.cfm?PID=97
There is a HUGE subset of the Christian community inside the United States that identifies 100% with Israel.
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Really? Do they invest in Israel? Name me a project they invested in. Do they buy Israeli bonds? Name me the fund(s) buying Israeli bonds. Do they buy Israeli produce? Do they visit Israel? Where are they, ’cause I don’t see them. Other than shouting halleluiah in Church on Sundays what exactly is this support and identification with Israel consists of?
“Other than shouting halleluiah in Church on Sundays what exactly is this support and identification with Israel consists of?”
-met-
Metuselah, good questions –
Welcome to American politics. And I’ll address the large subset of US Christians that evince 100% support for Israel. That’s the same group that MD is referencing. (I wish someone else, with equal knowledge from birth (cough, cough BTB?) would address the Jewish community inside the US and how they feel about Israel. Because I don’t have a clue about how US Jews feel about that. Nor should I, really.)
So – Don’t go looking for the subset of American Christians, of which I speak, to invest in Israel, or buy bonds, or buy produce, or visit the Holy Land. Most of them don’t have that kind of money to throw around, any more.
And I’ll admit that this group of Christians may have support for Israel that is “a mile wide and an inch deep,” as I alluded to in an earlier post.
But the support is there. And you can take it to the bank, if you’re Israeli. That this is the same group of RELIABLE and ACTIVE American voters that also tend to be against abortion, against gay marriage, and Vote Republican – is an interesting look into realpolitik, American style.
Good issues, metuselah. This is the sort of stuff that would be better discussed over a beer, somewhere. Let’s try to take it one issue at the time – and see how it goes.
I believe MessianicDruid speaks absolute truth, based on where he is in the US, and in life.
I do too.
What’s your next question, Met?
Really? Do they invest in Israel?
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Assuming Christians are not stupid, Israel is not a good bet:
Israel’s benchmark TA-100 Index fell in November on weak sentiment arising from the persistent Eurozone debt crisis.
Unemployment worsened in the third quarter, its first deterioration in a year.
The central bank cut benchmark interest rates for the second time in three months. It plans to invest a portion of its foreign reserves in an initial foray into U.S. equity index trackers from the first quarter of 2012.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) lowered Israel’s current year economic growth forecast by 0.7% to 4.7%, while growth next year is expected to slow by a further 1.8% to 2.9%, as the Eurozone debt crisis is likely to curb demand for the country’s exports, which comprises about 40% of its GDP.
REALLY!!!!?
How many Israelis have dual US-Israeli citizenship?
How many Realists live in…oh…California?
1/3 of our Supreme Court is Jews.
“No. Metuselah believes it is a lie. Complete horse shit. And Metuselah is going to call you on this lie.”
Okay, lets get this established. Are you saying that this:
“…the real reason America supports the Israeli state is because many Jews and many Christians living here believe that the Jews are God’s Chosen People.”
is “a lie” and is “horseshit”? Or is it this:
“This is what has underpinned America’s foreign policy in the Mideast….”
They seem inseparable.
Again, complete horse shit. These self-serving lies are not going to wash. Not with me.
It’s not support for Israel (that is self-evident), it is support for Yankee Imperialism with Israel being the false banner and patsy for your thievery. You are a nation so wrapped and warped by lies and self-deception that even when confronted with obvious facts, the best you can come with is:
“Don’t go looking for the subset of American Christians, of which I speak, to invest in Israel, or buy bonds, or buy produce, or visit the Holy Land. Most of them don’t have that kind of money to throw around, any more.”
Why is it that poor Bahai from India and Africa can make the visit? Why is it that tourism from Holland, Germany, Denmark, and other European countries where the media is extremely hostile to Israel, is booming. Why is it that poor Russians and Ukrainians can make the visit? Why is it that even the hostile Turks and Egyptians can make investments and partner with Israelis on business deals, but not your Christians?
And let me ask you this, when your Christians did have money did they invest in Israel? Did they visit? Did they buy Israeli bonds? Did they buy Israeli products?
“Assuming Christians are not stupid, Israel is not a good bet:” -asoka, impeding?-
Stupid, A.? That could be an impedimentary fighting word, if one were so inclined.
At any rate, a., investing is supposed to be long term, and to have nothing in common with placing a “bet.” I actually own some TEVA Pharmaceuticals, bought OTC as an ADR on the NASDC. TEVA’s a pretty good company from the looks of things, long term.
And if the Battle of Armageddon goes the way the the Evangelical Christian community inside the US is voting and agitating for – then TEVA will be a GREAT investment.
And you might want to be “short” on publicly traded companies from Arab countries – around the Middle East.
We’re talking about Christians. I know that American Jews invest in Israel, and it paid off mightily for them. I want to know why the so-called Zionist Christians are not and have not.
Look, Met, you’re apparently trying to have a fight – and I’m trying to have a conversation. Keep pushing and I’ll start fighting – that’s the American way. But is that called for, here?
“Why is it that poor Bahai from India and Africa can make the visit? Why is it that tourism from Holland, Germany, Denmark, and other European countries where the media is extremely hostile to Israel, is booming. Why is it that poor Russians and Ukrainians can make the visit? Why is it that even the hostile Turks and Egyptians can make investments and partner with Israelis on business deals, but not your Christians?”
-met-
Some (most?) of the answer to your question is PURE SIMPLE geography, met. Look at a map for gawdsakes. Plus, the US is still perceived as a “safe” investment for troubled times. Look at the DOW and how it keeps going up beyond all logic, for gawdsakes.
And Americans, myself probably included, never have traveled all that well. The archetype of “the ugly American” was never that far off the mark. I’ve traveled enough to know that I’m not going again – not to the Middle East, at any rate.
I don’t think you understand, met, how the US perception of INDIVIDUAL risk is spun and twisted by our media inside the US. Maybe it’s my age or appearance, or something – but when my wife and I travel I always feel I have a huge “AMERICAN
HERE!!!” balloon floating above our heads. You can’t see it, but I know it’s there.
Now, if I were Jewish, I would have endeavored to get myself to a kibbutz as a young man. And if I were a loud US Jewish born backer of Israel, I would for damnsure travel to Israel on some sort of regular basis – or else I would be quiet on the subject.
But I’m not Jewish. We come from different worlds, Met – you and me.
That’s why this conversation is important.
“Exactly. The US Forest Service is going to give Peabody Coal 300 acres of our local National Forest to strip mine.”
I suspect the same thing has happened here, in Orygone. I took 4 trips to the coast, from PDX on route 26, during June to September, 2011. Every trip, I saw 6-10 full-load logging trucks, with old-growth stumps, passing the other way (towards PDX). They don’t even bother obscuring the clearcutting these days – you can see it all from the road (route 26 – most of those 20-40 foot swaths of *trees*, alongside the highway, have been blown down or fallen over, from rain saturation).
“Obama the Liar said that we have 100 years of natural gas, and we are going to destroy water supplies for 500 years to get it, burn it, and leave nothing for our children.”
I know, I know – it’s only about 5-10 (maybe 20) years worth of nat gas. The fracking impact is very apparent and very clear, each and *EVERY* time they do the high-pressure *INJECTION* (very much anal-rape of Mother Earth).
“Why destroy our ecosystem to get the last bits? ”
Because, these are the old fogeys – old money, soon-to-be-dead, *DON’T CARE* sociopaths that can make another $$$. I remember a 7 year vesting concept – that was late 1990. Now, they vest in mere days/weeks (short sighted psychopaths, blinders fully *ON*)…
“Why destroy our ecosystem to get the last bits?”
Because, they are all already *DEAD*, basically (I’d give them 1-2 years, tops). Thus, our fixation on zombies/vampires…
“What kind of people would do such a thing?”
The very sociopaths/psychopaths that control the banks/economy, and the political system (lobbyist/corporatist/elitist bought and payed for *PAWNS*).
Did I miss something here? I really feel like I left something out – that I forgot another major effect… Fuck it all…
LB, EU – you give me much too much credit. Yes, I tune in to Dylan Ratigan, the only sane MSM news program…
His sh! got a bit stale today, concerning the 700% inflation on health care over the past 20 years(much like the 700% inflation in tuition fees of the same period). I’m not sure his solutions will ever work, as it is in the best interests of *FOR PROFIT* industry to isolate those same 10% that result in over 50% of the revenue, and charge them *EVEN MORE*!!!
Some (most?) of the answer to your question is PURE SIMPLE geography, met.
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Again, complete horse shit!
The relative cost for an Indian or an African or a Russian or a Filipino to visit Israel is a multiple of that for an American.
As for volunteers in a Kibbutz, there where and there are many many non-Jews volunteers. Many are Americans. Even Arabs from Jordan coming to learn Israeli farming techniques. But they are not your Evangelical Christians. Why not!?
..there were and there are many many non-Jews volunteers..
Fear?
I don’t know Met. I know a BUNCH of folks in my parents generation who went to the Holy Land.
Fear? Lack of money?
What do you want me to say here?
– Travel and the Evangelical Christian community inside the United States –
Let me address this more “globally” (haha), so to speak.
I’m 56. To my best knowledge, neither of my bloodline grandmothers ever saw the ocean. The Atlantic Ocean is only about 200 miles away from either of their final resting places. What I’m saying is that travel is a relatively new concept to many Evangelical Christians in the United States.
Travel takes money, also. And the money is gone.
And the hologram/fear/inside/the/US/factor that many posters allude to (and the DeeJones has been expressing quite well lately) – –
Well, folks, that fear factor is a real as a stone. Too much Main Stream Media and too many Bad World Events –
If I’m gonna’ die – I’m gonna do my best to die close to home and family. Amen.
What do you want me to say here?
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You said you’ll “address the large subset of US Christians that evince 100% support for Israel”. I’m asking you where is this support? It’s a fscking CIA/media hoax and a complete joke. So I’m asking you to stop with the lies, and stop trying to dress up American imperialism as some kind of a “visceral, and unthinking” support for Israel. I’ve had enough of these self-serving lies.
“The relative cost for an Indian or an African or a Russian or a Filipino to visit Israel is a multiple of that for an American.” -met-
Anyway, Met – this is one great big HELL of a great big stereotype. You picture 313,000,000 Americans, each of whom is wealthy enough to travel to Israel?
You don’t think that there are Indians, Africans, Russians, or Filipinos – more able to travel long distances than is the average American.
Sheesh. Take off your blinders, Met.
C’mon! We even have more Chinese tourists than we do American Christians. It’s not about money. It’s not about distance. It’s all about self-serving lies to advance American imperialism.
“stop trying to dress up American imperialism as some kind of a “visceral, and unthinking” support for Israel. I’ve had enough of these self-serving lies.” -met-
I am absolutely surround by millions and millions of Americans who wouldn’t recognize “American Imperialism” if it climbed into bed with them and raped their wives.
I’m talking about millions and millions of FOX News watchers who were condemning Obama recently simply because Hannity and FOX said, “He’s not a friend of Israel.” (look back in the CFN archives – I addressed this about 6 months ago)
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This is getting pointless, met.
We’re in different worlds.
There are millions of US voters, nominal to noisy Christians all, who reliably vote for politicians who favor policies that favor Israel. This is truth – I have no idea why you are trying to spin this truth off in some opposite direction – from what MD and I actually LIVE, here in the US.
If you’re in Israel – one of my first guesses would be that you are reacting to the spin and fear of the ISRAELI media – regarding how Israel is viewed in the US.
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Israel has had unconditional US support since 1948. But tread carefully.
The US weakens.
Our mutual enemies grow stronger.
Be careful what you wish for, met.
Tread carefully into the future.
“I am absolutely surround by millions and millions of Americans who wouldn’t recognize “American Imperialism” if it climbed into bed with them and raped their wives.” -P2C-
Let me make a change to this:
“I am absolutely surround by millions and millions of Americans who wouldn’t recognize “American Imperialism” if it climbed into bed with them and FSKED their wives.”
-P2C, edited to Mika standards-
You’ve affected my views on the world, ever so slightly, Mika/Met.
I hope I have returned the favor to you. 😉
It’s never as simple as any of us thinks.
I am absolutely surround by millions and millions of Americans who wouldn’t recognize “American Imperialism” if it climbed into bed with them and raped their wives.
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And? So they swallowed the lies and believe the self-delusion, is that somehow supposed to turn the lies into the truth?
It’s never as simple as any of us thinks.
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And yet you never question the official propaganda. Anything that isn’t officially sanctioned propaganda is a “conspiracy theory”, unworthy of examination and consideration.
-P2C, edited to Mika standards-
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Me likes. 😀
That is really interesting, prog, because I had never considered the idea that a Jew could be observant until I was an adult.
The only Jews I knew were Unitarians and they were atheists, which only made sense to me. After the Holocaust, who could believe in God? Or worship such a being?
But you, as a Southern Baptist, have got the same thing going on. How many busloads of Baptist children have to roll off cliffs before you people start wondering if, in fact, you are the chosen Christians?
Maybe Baptists just can’t afford brakes, but I’ve seen a lot of news reports about dead teenagers on Christian outings, and if I was a believer, I believe that I would start to doubt.
“conspiracy theory”
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Btw, PC, the fact the someone would go to all the time and trouble to create and maintain web sites aimed at discouraging you from examining information, should tell you that there something that they are desperately trying to hide from you and don’t want you to learn. And like a trained dumb animal you fall for their tactics.
This is extraordinarily interesting – if any “global level?” sociologists are reading our exchange, Mika.
You perceive zero support for Israel among the US Evangelical community – even though MD and I, who both live in the US – tell you it is palpable.
And as proof of this lack of support among US Evangelicals – you cite lack of tourism, while you state that the Chinese and others, travel abundantly to Israel.
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I can cite abundant evidence that few in the US choose to travel to Israel anymore – because of media-induced fears; of Hezbollah rockets, suicide bombers, incoming Iranian nukes to Tel Aviv – name your fear, and we American-non-tourists will articulate it for you. And if you’re on the ground in Israel, you can tell us that our fears are laughable, “statistically.”
I can freely admit that I’m in the American Hologram. (tm Joe Bageant)
I think you’re in an Israeli Hologram that is just as powerful and, perhaps more dangerous, in its own way.
Neither of us can see clearly outside his respective hologram, although I’m trying to do it right now.
How about you?
I can cite abundant evidence that few in the US choose to travel to Israel anymore – because of media-induced fears
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So what are you trying to tell me, that you bunch of gun toting gung ho mass murders are really a bunch of quivering cowards; the saddest bunch of quivering cowards on this whole fscking planet, is that it?
I’m no expert on Israel, and mika hasn’t brought this up, but US support of Israel has not been unwavering since 1948, at least in the military and economic meaning of the words.
For instance, when Israel, France and Britain attacked Egypt in 1956, the US refused to back them.
The US didn’t start selling weapons to Israel until the 60s.
I think that the US has indeed used Israel to gain a foothold in the oil rich area of the Middle East and I think that the anti-Israel propaganda that you hear more and more means that the US is about to drop Israel as a favored client state.
Don’t look at the propaganda you are fed as a source of information, prog, look at it as a clue to what the ruling class has planned.
Yes, that is what he’s trying to tell you, in his roundabout Prog way.
Hey Wage, good to hear from you.
“Maybe Baptists just can’t afford brakes, but I’ve seen a lot of news reports about dead teenagers on Christian outings, and if I was a believer, I believe that I would start to doubt.” -wage-
Funny stuff, Womanfrien’. And it’s like I’ve been telling Mika/Met – the money is drying up in the US, maybe more especially in the Evangelical community. We can’t afford to go to the Holy Land, so we sure as Hell can’t afford brake jobs for our Church Buses.
Hold onto your hat and keep your head down for this one, Wage. It’s going to be a wild ride downhill for some of us.
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On another subject, altogether:
“That is really interesting, prog, because I had never considered the idea that a Jew could be observant until I was an adult.” -wage-
“Observant”? – is that the correct term for “non-atheist?” I don’t know. Just asking.
Anyway – there’s more here than a single post can begin to access. Like, how could Judaism have held together through the Diaspora, all the pograms, the Holocaust, and all of that – if it was not an exceedingly powerful religion?
And how is that now, this religion, having been Blessed and returned to its Ancestral Homeland – finds all its followers turning Atheist.
Some have said that the Jewish religion resonates seamlessly between Religious Identity and Ethnic Identity. That’s possible.
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But can any of us do that? I’ve never thought of becoming a “Christian atheist” – but I’m beginning to give it serious though. Times are good right now. And I can always resonate back into a “Christian Christian?”, if things go south.
I’m rambling. I’ll stop.
Very interesting stuff, you’ve got to admit.
Or, at least I do.
Well, you’re always talking about the importance of family and religion. It makes sense to me that persecuted people would draw together.
But forced removal to concentration and death camps? That really isn’t a way to bring families together.
And, again, homeland or no homeland, how could anyone look at the Holocaust and not give up on the idea of a all-powerful God?
US support of Israel has not been unwavering since 1948
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The US had an active arms embargo against Israel. I think it wasn’t until Kennedy sold Israel Hawk (SAM) missiles that this changed.
Howdy Wage, Per your comment clip: “What kind of people would do such a thing?”
A few years back when OEO was commenting as OEO and I was commenting under my other nom de plume, Ken, I was gleefully goring OEO’s ox whenever the opportunity presented itself. On one occasion a situation similar to that which you have queried about here arose and I gave OEO the same answer I will proffer you “Greedy Cock Suckers”.
As an aside I watched the POTUS give his state of the union presentation at a friends, I do not use my tv’s for anything but movie viewing at my abode, and I was astounded. Did no other CFers realize that the office of the president had slipped an absolutely near perfect double in place of Barrack Obama? It looked like him, spoke as he does even displayed the same mannerisms; but, it was definitely not him. In keeping with Progessor’s insistence that we use scientific rigor when we make extraordinary claims and back them up with extraordinary evidence I offer the following as evidence. During the state of the union presentation I observed not a single instance of the POTUS, as he is wont to do, bending over to pick up the soap for the repulsificans; hells bells I did not even see him give them any tongue.
SNAFU
“So what are you trying to tell me, that you bunch of gun toting gung ho mass murders are really a bunch of quivering cowards; the saddest bunch of quivering cowards on this whole fscking planet, is that it?” -met-
As Wage said, in my roundabout Prog way – maybe??
If you watch much USA news – you tend to turn into a fearful blob. That’s just a fact – easily verified. All we can do is try to recognize it, watch less TV, and try to fight against the fear when we feel it impinging.
I do suggest that some similar sort of fear happens to you, met, or anyone in Israel who watches much of THAT media.
You just evidence it in a different manner.
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On a lighter note:
“you bunch of gun toting gung ho mass murders”
-met-
I can’t even go to a US airport with a weapon – and I’ve got a permit for concealed weapons carry that’s valid in 37 states. Something tells me it won’t be valid in Israel, though.
You got a permit and a handgun I can borrow for the duration of my visit to Israel, Mika?
Or maybe I can stay at your place. You’re in the IDF, right. Don’t they issue you a weapon to keep at home, like in Switzerland?
No, you don’t get to keep the weapon. While on reserve duty you’re responsible for your gun. You don’t get to keep that weapon once your reserve duty is over. As a civilian, you need a license to carry a weapon. I don’t have such a license and I really don’t know what are the restrictions regarding such.
Yeah, he gave us lip service which hid the big juicy kiss he was giving his corporate sponsors.
For instance, he had the NERVE to pontificate against those evil Wall St. bankers, when he just hired another one as chief of staff.
And, what is the opening up of more public land to the oil companies, if not a corporate wet dream?
More tax breaks and corporate giveaways to companies who promise to locate factories in US towns?
“And if you want to relocate in a community that was hit hard when a factory left town, you should get help financing a new plant, equipment, or training for new workers.”
The town next to me spent a million dollars attracting Whirlpool, only to lose it when Whirlpool moved out. Oh, but they told those workers to go back to school and learn to compete. Bad enough that they lose their jobs, now they’re enticed into borrowing money to go to school.
Throwing teachers into competition, where the ones with the loser kids lose their jobs? Making every kid stay in school until 18?
That was Obama, all right. Handing out goodies to his overlords while lipsynching platitudes for the masses.
And here’s an explanation of what mortgage reform means – handing over pension money to the banks in return for their looking penitent.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30336.htm
Update on the preceding article-
http://blackagendareport.com/content/state-obama-immunity-wall-street
THE GREAT PROCON=METUSELAH CONVERSATION
Topic: Christian investment in Israel
Metuselah to Procon
6:47 “Complete horse shit.”
8:05 “Really?”
9:04 “Again, complete horse shit. These self-serving lies are not going to wash. Not with me.”
9:36 “Again, complete horse shit!”
10:01 “So I’m asking you to stop with the lies…”
10:14 “It’s all about self-serving lies to advance American imperialism.”
10:39 “And? So they swallowed the lies and believe the self-delusion, is that somehow supposed to turn the lies into the truth? ”
10:42 “And yet you never question the official propaganda.”
10:44 “Me likes. :D”
11:00 “And like a trained dumb animal you fall for their tactics.”
11:17 “So what are you trying to tell me, that you bunch of gun toting gung ho mass murders are really a bunch of quivering cowards; the saddest bunch of quivering cowards on this whole fscking planet, is that it?”
11:55 “No, you don’t get to keep the weapon.”
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This is the kind of dialog I am accused of “impeding” … Metuselah calls “horseshit” and “self-serving lies” then says Procon is a “trained dumb animal”
ProCon never says Metuselah is a resident impediment.
I made one comment at 8:45 explaining why Christians are not so stupid as to invest in Israel, citing specific factual information about the Israeli economy being a bad “bet” (a risky investment).
In response Procon focuses on the word “stupid” (I was saying Christians are not stupid enough to bet on Israel) and then on the word “bet” to criticize my post.
So you can see how factual information is treated when I offer a post, compared to how Procon reacts to insult after insult and conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory offered by metuselah. Never a word about RI in the latter case.
I’m calling bullshit on the RI label. There is absolutely nothing of value to impede in the “conversation” that goes on here. I will comment whenever and as often as I like because no meaningful dialog exists, nothing is being impeded.
His animal references are consistent with ancient Jewish belief that all Gentiles are just animals -even though they have a human form.
He’s either lying or hopelessly locked into a self reinforcing belief system which blocks out everything he doesn’t want to see: going to Israel is the dream of countless Zionist Christians. I went to a pro-Zionist “Bible Believing Church” in Idaho last year just to get the inside view about all this and for personal enrichment. They were always planning sold out trips to Israel. Met must have seen people like this on these trips. This particular Church is well connected and gets to go to the frontier near Israeli fortifications, archeological sites in and around Jerusalem, and helicopter rides over the city as well.
Most Jews are atheists or agnostics. The European Enlightenment had a profound effect of European Jewry. If you had lived in a large Eastern City you would know this – as you say, we suffer the limitations of our environment. As hard as it may be for you to accept this, the essence of Judaism is ethnicity. But it gets complicated: a Jew can stay a Jew even if he becomes a Buddhist. But if he converts to Christianity, he is percieved to have rejected his Race, Religion, Nation, Community etc.
This may be changing now that Evangelicals have been converting many Jews in Israel to a pro-Jewish form of Christianity. But traditionally, the two religions have been enemies. Christ hated the Pharisees and they hated Him. He told Christians to beware of them and their teachings but now the Zionist Christians all but worship them.
Ask Messi about Scofield and his Bible. That’s how it all began. He may have been financed by the Jews.
You must realize how your Communist Environment shaped you and continues to do so. Never met a believing Jew? Never met a Vet who didn’t trash his country? That last one is particularly hard to believe.
[blink]Alarm! Alarm! Warning! Warning! Mental Disaster Area ! TILT ! [/blink]
Please Ignore these kinds of Posts. Thank You.
Enemy of Science
Thought is the Sickness, Measurement and Observation is the cure. In a sense, there is a reason why Natural Evolution didn’t develop Intelligent Thoughtful minds always finding and establishing Patterns: because it would have been useless, in Nature it is the Details, Random, the often totally unpredictable or at best the probabilistic (with no guarantee of precision) that is operating. Animals, insects, fishes are in an environment of constant change, constant threats, constant surprises, no need to develop models here, only what happens momentarily and if you momentary survive win or lose counts and that is just a pure chance guessing game. The details are all there is. The history of what happened is all there is, there is nothing deeper, no other patterns to discover and use. But in another sense Natural Evolution was the process that discovered all useful repetitive patterns and possible “Intentionalities of Use” without having to think about it, the accumulation and crystallization of all of those patterns in a coherent whole, but always ready to throw it all away and start over, always just a temporary stability surely destined o be overthrown by Detail, Random, pure Chance. And our Science with the accumulation of its laws is somewhat similar as a process although our Science ends up being mostly a toy we use for ourselves and tied deeply into a specific, culture and value system although we are unaware of this (you have to desire and consider rockets a valuable goal before you produce Rocket Science and such…)
And with Thought comes Science and its Models, Abstractions, its desire to make you be on top of something, the constant comparison of reality against your models, and the constant frustration of seeing all the discrepancies, how reality always contradicts you, always makes fun of your models and ideas and general Laws that are operating: as if we are constantly just looking at our Models and General Laws and How the World Should be because our Model Imposes that the World should be like that, as if we are always looking at our models and imaginary general laws and getting angry at the world for disobeying what we think is Right, metaphysically and spiritually correct.
But this mistake all came from far away and this mistake saturates almost all we think: all of our Indirections and Symbols and Denotations are anchored to models of reality, they are all belief systems, abstractions of reality from the details and what happens and how random and free reality is compared to what we would like and think: this sickness is called Religion and God and it is called Science, since they both love their Mental Models, their Laws, the containing of reality in the comfort zone of your mind.
Abstraction eliminate details and tries to find the general and then assigns that general as the Law, the Master Pattern, but Reality is actually only the details, it is not a comfortable mental model, the mental model illusion that makes us think that we are on top of things, that we can somehow control them if we have a platonic mathematical mental model of reality. But it is not so, it is only the details that make up reality, only the measurements, only the random: point in case, what is the equation that predicts the exact form of a given mountain ? Oh, you will say that we have “General Equations” that predict how they are formed, we know what is going on (just like in Natural Evolution, the general rules, but then the real debate is on exactly what sequence of events lead to the first living cell and in this case the number of random details and events is so high that no mental model, no “Scientific Explanation” will probably ever come close to really explaining it (but even this sentence is a Mental Model, and Abstraction that wants to make believe that it is True, since abstractions make believe that they are true by just declaring themselves, so I MAY BE WRONG and that is 100 % OK), but then we will have to assign initial conditions, measurements and so many other variables and things that in the end the model reveals itself for what it is: just a comfortable way to contain that which is uncontainable in a limited device as our Man Brain to make us feel that we are in control, on top if it. And anyways, our perfect models of reality, our mathematics breaks down immediately just as soon as you have to calculate the three body problem: that is nature that is trying to us something.
But Science does work and is effective when we need to design an Engine for example, we only have blind forces opposing us as opposed to Free Will Gadgets: and also because engines and chips and many other items are all within a very strictly controlled environment the goals that they have to achieve are very clear, etc. Compare that to economy, politics and sociology where so many random fluke and quirk positive and negative feedback loops are operating (and in these cases the Observer is also the Observed, you get the idea).
And the models in economy for example are always forcing cause and effect: like in economy they want to force the idea that more free market, more competition and changes and more dynamic markets will increase job formation, money exchanges and such: is it true ? maybe, maybe not, maybe more correctly it is just a very vague, rough approximation of the idea that if people are pushed around a little and forced to keep on always changing and interacting things will move by themselves. As opposed to my idea of large public private projects that will create the jobs from above : is it true ? maybe, maybe not, maybe more correctly it is just a very vague, rough approximation of the idea that if people are given a large scale goal many jobs will be created. The entire idea of innovation is the illusion of trying to use the same success that we had manipulating matter, by projecting that success into a reflection so as to improve society also.
Free will compensates the random details found in nature, an ensemble of minds all using abstract mental models can only create random details by interacting through free will.
Funny how the extreme limit of science, the Instant Singularity and modified brains reaches the same conclusion of what natural evolution reached for most living things: that no models or thought processes are necessary at all, the model, the abstraction is a falsification of reality, is a make believe toy, only details and subjectivity exist, only the present flow of interactions are operating.
Like when you feel pain, all of your models and all your past abstract thoughts seem like a joke, almost as if you want to say, how wrong I was and what a waste of time, the only true reality is Now, Instant, Random, No model only Event and Sensation of Pain/Pleasure.
Metaphysics is more honest, it says lets just invent models and have fun with them without pretending that they correspond to reality in any way.
I would just point out that there were many Gnosticisms and had wildly varying viewpoints. Some of them exalted women and some were extremely anti-female and anti-matter – which the Church strongly criticized.
I like Valentinus – his was truly a Western Advaita Vedanta. Some of the Gnosticisms were in contrast, exeedingly crude in either a lascivious way or an ascetic way.
From a literary point of view, most of them were below the New Testament in quality of writing and most were written later. I’m not convinced that they came first at all.
The Gospel of Thomas was another interesting one -a mystical non dual Christianity which emphasized our Oneness with Christ and not the devotion to him as either a Man or a God. But the need was not for a new Platonism, but a Platonism for the Masses – my Dear Fellow! The Masses have to go to Mass. They are also Asses. If they don’t hear something constantly they will forget it and go get drunk. Is it not better to drink the Wine of Life than Adam’s Ale?
That was from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Also From:
http://212.13.195.254/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145936
“And in fact atoms do have random details and matter is composed of an infinite number of levels each having random details all the way down to the plank level. Therefore there are no laws of physics and matter is based on nothing. That is why quantum physics is based on chance, “random” probabilities, to reflect this state of things.
Random details are all those intricate little quirks you see in everything around you, like the stones on a road, the casual tree alignments, cracks and all the quirky patterns of car seats and textiles etc. Look at anything very closely and you will see all kinds of odd details. The beauty of the universe is in those details. Now if these details are no longer present for the atom, then what is left is a perfectly abstract item or should I say a perfectly mathematical item. In fact when we abstract concepts we are IGNORING the details so we can manage them logically and mathematically. So if the atom is a purely mathematical item, it is no longer a material item and hence matter does not even exist. If those details are present for an atom, and I see no reason why they shouldn’t be since we are biased towards thinking the atom is just a set of equations, then the quirky odd details go on forever at all levels even at 10^-100000 mm and hence there are really no physical laws at all only approximations and “chaos”. So matter is based on nothing anyways.
On one hand the entire basic assumption of science is that we can simplify reality by ignoring the details and creating logical models. On the other hand, science does investigate exactly the many details that philosophers and artists have often ignored because considered “too low level and not worth the human spirit”. But we are simply within a quirk range of size levels where the simplification – ignoring details method of science seems to work, but at the many infinite smaller levels there are no simplifying principles and in fact there may be an infinite increase of complexity and chaos and science would actually be inverted in the sense that the simple is based on the infinitely complex.”
In a sense, you don’t fight yourself anymore, you don’t fight random, events, that which you have no power over anymore, you accept that the world is governed by forces you have no control over, you don’t Model it anymore according to some Law or Laws, you just accept it all and deal with them day by day as they come. Since only the history, what happens, the observation is reality, the Models don’t work anymore, you can’t predict much, you can’t force the world to abide to your model, especially you give up fighting or wanting to manipulate other Free Will Gadgets (impossible to manipulate and will always contradict you and even if they don’t contradict you, you will contradict yourself, since the Man Brain will force random, quirk, will break the model on purpose, for fun, (maybe unconsciously ?) by itself while fighting desperately to uphold a model that was always false).
In other words, the conflict is between mental Models, desire of control through such, desire to predict and what actually happens, what actually is, history, the details, the random, etc. And obviously all events that deny your expectations are breaking your models of reality: so you are really just fighting yourself, you are fighting your models (which are mostly false) and reality which is mostly independent and random and keeps on making fun and teasing any model of reality you try to contain in your mind. The conflict is between Theory versus Details, Models versus Events, and this is mostly an internal mental conflict within yourself, why doesn’t reality abide to my model (or really my commands ?), and you get mad at reality and others when you should just forget all and any models, rules and laws, expectations, desires, and plans, etc.
So that is the deal: either you accept anything that happens just because, or you fight anything by trying to impose the world to conform to an impossible and false model from the outset.
And these models are most models we have: they are the Religious Models, The Scientific Models, the Political and Economic Models, etc.
And strangely Scientific models perform a positive feedback loop on societies by making people aware of so many different measurements and new scientific facts and making people embrace a given model against other models creating more will power conflicts etc.: as in Atomic Energy is Bad according to some Science, it is good according to some other Science, and the conflicts increase because people have more models to embrace, more belief systems…
From:
http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/12562-qed-science-meets-science-fiction/
“IF QED (quantum electrodynamics) is not a hoax, then matter truly does not exist and all we have is logic-math. The electron according to QED is an infinite set of interacting virtual particles described and understood only in terms of their feynman diagrams which are nothing more than integrals and series. The center of the electron is a GEOMETRICAL point with no extension etc. Since there are an infinite number of diagrams according to an infinite number of possible interactions and decay modes (electron emits virtual photon that becomes virtual e+e- pair etc.) then matter is truly reduced to pure mathematics.
If we could control matter at their virtual particle level, we could create an infinite size computer inside an electron by associating and provoking interactions with corresponding feynman diagrams that map one to one with AND and OR circuits, and creating infinitely complex circuits. With an infinite computer we could then simulate any kind of universe governed by any kinds of laws as complex as you wish, since an infinite computer would be unlimited. Hence another simulated universe would be just as real as ours since the building blocks of our own universe is pure math-logic.
Of course this may not be the case and virtual particles could be made up of something else at the distance of 10^-100 or 10^-1000 . Actually the limits of the observable universe is not how large it can be but how small. What is there at the distance of 10^-100000 ? Alot of room to speculate.
QED may be a hoax if the sums where made in such a way as to force them to correspond to experimental observables, but I think it is true, you never know though… ”
and
“You can always say there is a phenomena in the case of the NSE (Navier-Stokes) equations for turbulance since a material substrate is always present in the form of a large ensemble of particles upon which the equations are operating. In the case of QED, there is no longer any material substrate, we are at the end of the line. The virtual particle and feynman diagrams are all that is left, a set of numbers (mass, impulse, energy etc.) related to another set through a series of mathematical operations. The description coincides exactly with the material, that is why QED is so precise. If you add the remaining corrective terms, there is no longer any difference between the measurement and the prediction, hence matter no longer exists, it has completely evaporated into equations.
Physicists ask why this particular set of equations and laws govern our universe. Well in fact any set of equations will do, the set we do have just happens to be an arbitrary starting point. Any other set would be the same. The “virtual particle electron size infinite computer” could then transform our starting point set of equations into any other conceivable set of equations by appropriately configuring it to let the feynman diagrams execute a given set of AND and OR circuits that transform one set of physics laws into another. From here we can have any universe governed by any set of equations, and it would be just as real as ours.
Bottom line, matter is mathematics, and I think some other physicists have come to a similar conclusion by saying everything is information “IT FROM BIT”. The only doubt would be if virtual particles where composed of something else. But you would have to look at distances like 10^-100 to see any fine structure. An interesting thing happens talking about sizes since if you look at the solar system at its size reference the planets are just point like particles executing equations in their motion. But if you go down to the meter size you will see all kinds of complex structure like on earth. If you go smaller you end up again in a very simple world of particles (electrons, protons) executing equations. By continually going to smaller and smaller sizes you go constantly from simple to complex then simple again to complex etc. A bit like looking at traffic from far away, it is mostly a simple process, but if you look at the mm or micron range in the brains of people driving it is very complex. So if virtual particles follow this trend then they may be made of extremely complex fine structure. And then maybe there is no end to small sizes and the cycle of simple to complex to simple at 10^-1000 and then 10^-10000 etc goes on forever.
If matter is not mathematics, then mathematics is a subset of matter meaning matter-physics has metaphysical elements within it. ”
That was all from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
THE 8 MAN
LB said:
That’s quite a system they’ve got us in. For many years we had enough going that we didn’t notice. People lost their homes because of medical costs, but they suffered alone. 2008 was the watershed where everyone noticed and as it has become increasingly clear, the whole philosophical construct of globalism and monetarism is being viewed by the average citizen with much more intensity.
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I can only say that the mass hoodwinking of the American people is being noticed by people around me who were normally apolitical and not very conversant with the financial system. OWS is another sign of a certain mass awakening.
I think we’re very near an inflection point where the number of people who are “well off” is far less than the number of people teetering on the edge of insolvency for very long periods of time. Just as money is the number one reason for divorce, the lack of it is the number one reason for the coming outbursts of civil unrest.
The current incarnation of the Republican Party just can’t seem to stand prosperity in any class of people outside of a very thin layer of plutocrats. And it’s not like they’re “earning” their money. GWB is the exemplar here … the fucker never really had a real job his entire life … and neither did his successor, Mr. Obama.
We don’t have any large group of politicians who can relate to the working classes because they’re all a bunch of Mandarins.
E.
I have tried both and actually preferred wallowing in the fleshpots swilling my ale, and whiskey, or pastis, or what have you as during the ‘seventies and ‘eighties I drank enough to refloat an oil tanker resting in a dry dock basin spending at least $60,000 on booze during that period. In retrospect the drunks were really more spiritual than the religious people I’ve met. Religious people give me the impression that they’re just trying to stay out of trouble, and entirely for their own benefit so basically fuck everyone else cause I gots mines here in this warm, cozy, rent free monastery!
The best thing I’ve read to untangle the mess of the early church is “The Jesus Mysteries” by Freke and Gandy. So yes, gnosticism predates orthodox Christianity. Buddhism is also gnostic since it revolves around personal enlightenment for the most part although Pure Land Buddhism is similar to Christianity in some regards.
To the Moon, Newt…
Yes, E.
Meet the new royalty. It’s the entertainment/sports class with politicians who are there to protect the interests of billionaires. The %13.9 tax rate Willard pays isn’t low enough, they all want to cut the rate even more. And the stupids that will vote for them don’t seem to mind. Why?
Let’s just call it the American Revolution betrayed.–but that’s been going for a very long time.
During W.’s term I noticed that Rove was practicing a school child form of battle. It’s “I know you are but what am I” tactic. And the inverse. It seems to deflect real discussion of what the insane leadership is doing. They create a global class war and if you say anything about it, you are fighting a class war. You can never get through to them, they are impervious.
Yesterday the big story about Newt is that he has announced to his adoring fans that by the end of his second term we will have colonized the moon. Stick a flag in it, Newt. And extra added bonus–if there’s 13,000 Americans up there they can add the moon as a state!! I wanna know what this guy’s on and why won’t he share it with the rest of us?
In a book he wrote, he suggested putting mirrors on the moon so we can light up our cities, protecting us from crime!
And I though Sanitorium was nuts.
So you’ve got the crazy billionaire couple the Adelsons giving NeoCon Newt $millions for his campaign. Why? Cause he’s going to choose John Bolton as his Secretary of State (even W. wouldn’t do that) and it’s a guarantee of war with Iran.
Hey, who says the rich aren’t contributing to the war effort?
(instead of paying for the Armed forces, they’ll put their money into 1 nut-case chicken hawk who assures war)
You gotta love the logic.
fred suggested tying their mothers to the front of humvees; see how long the war lasts then…though given the psychopathy inherent in “leadership”, i m not sure even that would work seriously, though, i can t figure why nobody has noticed for over two hundred years that it aint the rich pukes who end up dying or maimed in wars of aggression “we” have fought- pretty much every one since 1776- and well, lost…i sincerely hope they don t try to tell us newt won the (s)election this fall; i doubt i ll have it together by then to make it to messico or points south…
(Funny, Charlie Foxtrot!)
Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Today on Morning Joe-a great interview with Vanity Fair writer and non fiction writer Cullen Murphy, “God’s Jury” discussing how the Spanish Inquisition is with us today in the form of surveillance and censorship and how fear works into this.
Don’t forget the PBS Dana Priest special “Top Secret America” discussing the huge apparatus created to protect us from terror. For National Security even congress doesn’t know how much tax payer money is being thrown at this! It’s never discussed in our discussions on austerity. Can’t touch that-even if it’s produced nothing. It’s about how bureaucracies are created and built up over time to produce–an inquisition. It’s with us all the time.
One wonders whether we’ll last long enough to evolve out of this mess.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#46162232
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=155045&start=50
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=145936
“So atoms are perfect mathematical equations. Matter is mathematics. So a completely simulated universe on a computer is just as real as ours. So reality is base on pure logic-mathematical systems and there are no other “metaphysical” aspects to matter-reality. Well then this reality is completely abstract and senseless, it is just a series of Feynman Integrals describing particle interactions. No, I think this is completely wrong, atoms have cracks on them, just like walls, and the level of details and complexities of the real world is infinite. What is at the center of an electron? what is the world like at 10^-100000000 mm size level ?”
Atoms are full of wild cracks all over them, they are crazy entities, so much crazy and wild random detail and all of those bozos want to describe them with equations!?!? I can’t believe it…
TOBOR THE 8 MAN
In this case, the conspiratorial “they” should be replaced by “he”
Newt is being financed by one individual. Because the Republican Supreme Court decided “money is speech”
There was also no requirement that the individual make himself known. If he had decided to remain anonymous, we wouldn’t really know if Newt’s money was coming from a guy in Utah or a Russian mobster in the Ukraine.
Our elections are up for grabs for any “he” (anywhere in the world) who wants to send his money to a candidate in the USA.
[quote=”Flannel Jesus”]you’re just quoting yourself. usually the purpose of quoting somebody is to add credibility to the argument. but just quoting yourself doesn’t add credibility to yourself. you are yourself. you’re not more credible than yourself.[/quote]
I answer:
Ok, OK, I take it all back. I am wrong. I am a loser, a sore loser, I am sorry I have wasted your time, please forgive me, I like to be a jerk ! Please erase all of these kinds of posts from the Internet, Please erase the Internet. Thank You.
Oh, and by the way:
“So atoms are perfect mathematical equations. Matter is mathematics. So a completely simulated universe on a computer is just as real as ours. So reality is base on pure logic-mathematical systems and there are no other “metaphysical” aspects to matter-reality. Well then this reality is completely abstract and senseless, it is just a series of Feynman Integrals describing particle interactions. No, I think this is completely wrong, atoms have cracks on them, just like walls, and the level of details and complexities of the real world is infinite. What is at the center of an electron? what is the world like at 10^-100000000 mm size level ?”
Atoms are full of wild cracks all over them, they are crazy entities, so much crazy and wild random detail and all of those bozos want to describe them with equations!?!? I can’t believe it…
TOBOR THE 8 MAN
Another huge logical mistake is when they ask what is the probability of Life or the first cell and things like that: well it doesn’t matter what the probability is, It Just Happened. End of Story. There is nothing to explain, a random sequence of events occurred and created the first living cell, and then Man and whatever. But even if it were a one shot creation from nothing, well, there is nothing wrong with that either, It Just Happened, For No Reason at All, Just Because, For Fun.
And even if it was God who just did it, well who cares ? Anything goes, it is all just a random event, just a wild number picked out of a bag full of wild numbers, there is nothing left to explain, no relationships to discover or invent or uncover, etc.
This is real science since the simplest explanation is the correct one and no explanation is the correct one and best one. But even if this explanation is wrong, well who cares ? Be Your Own Boss.
“Reality used to be a friend of mine,
reality used to be a friend of mine,
please don’t ask me
‘cuz i don’t know why-
but reality used to be a friend of mine.”
It is really important to spend your money locally so that it stays local and recirculates in the community.
Another aspect of this is that when you hire an employee you want them to live in your community and to be a full fledged part of it and therefore to spend their money there.
The absolute antithesis of that would be to hire an immigrant, legal or otherwise, that sends as much money as they can off to some Central American village to support their family back home.
Hit send too early.
The money sent out of the country is gone forever.
What about “their market” or what they do spend?
They spend locally for the cheapest food that they can afford, therefore perpetuating the fast factory food paradigm. They usually take advantage of cast off furniture, old cars, thrift shop clothes and other surplus items therefore depriving poor Americans with nowhere else to go of these items.
We are running out of energy and resources. Importing the surplus population from Central America is not a way to assure a sustainable economy or ecosystem.
Westcoast, thanks for giving me a nice juicy target, but I’m not responding to posts on immigration, racism, or misogyny this week.
If it be true that we’re running out of energy and resources, then folks who need them are going to get testy about securing them.
Thus my contention that “the immigrant problem” is irrelevant. It will work itself out by dint of probable violence (and at the very least, credible threats) against non-native-borns [who aren’t already firmly established in their community] and those that would hire them. Goddamned ugly, but absolutely effective. We’ve seen this horror movie before.
Don’t send money; get your mind wrapped around the fact that this is how “folks” act when up against it.
West Coast, the problems faced by humanity are GLOBAL in nature. All around the world “local” communities face the same problems. Instead of scapegoating one group or another, we should be asking some questions, questions related to “Peak Oil”.
For example, food supplies in most major cities around the world depend heavily on oil and natural gas, which are used for pesticides, fertilizers, industrial-scale harvesting and processing of food, and for shipping food over long distances to cities. How will urban populations, which currently import nearly all of their food supplies over long distances, manage to obtain and import sufficient food after the disappearance of oil? We are all in this together.
I’m not just saying all we should do is “ask questions” … we need to take local action, for the long-term benefit of EVERYONE in our communities, to raise consciousness about Peak Oil (PO) and Climate Change (CC)
This is already happening. Here are some examples of what I am referring to:
— Conduct PO vulnerability studies and PO-related policy assessment (Kinsale, Denver,
Sebastopol; Willits; Burnaby, Ontario, etc)
— Adopt official resolutions or ordinances and establish PO-related task forces (San Francisco,
Portland, Oakland, Austin; Bloomington, Bellingham, Whatcom county, Chapel
Hill, Westerly, Brattleboro, Vermont, Haines, Alaska, Vancouver, etc)
— Create non-PO-oriented task forces targeting issues of energy supply or sustainability
(Connecticut, Alachua Country)
— Create task forces addressing both CC and PO (Spokane, Brisbane)
— Deploy measures against global warming which also help reduce oil dependence (Arlington)
— Community-led transition town initiatives (Kinsale, Totnes, and many cities in England,
Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia and New Zealand and the US.)
— Community-supported activities (e.g. community farms, carpooling, car-ops)
— Eco-city movements and piecemeal actions (e.g. bicycle rentals, roof gardens)
And if the Battle of Armageddon goes the way the the Evangelical Christian community inside the US is voting and agitating for
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And now we know the reason why they have not and are not investing in Israel. Israel is there to be devastated by a catastrophic world war so that their fscking massiah can re-establish the Vatican world government on the ashes of Israel.
Fsck you and fsck your Vatican Christian “zionists”.
…Oh, for future reference, what I gleaned from the Israel/Evangelical back-and-forth was one shining and salient point:
Some delusions are very, very dangerous.
People who believe gawd is on their side. (chosen persons)
People who believe that gawd has granted them a perpetual deed to a given plot of earth.
People who believe their gawd follows their every move and grants special dispensations over “lesser” humans.
Proof of these dangerous beliefs surround us and manipulate a shitload of the citizenry. It will get worse as people cling to these delusions with a cargo-cult-like death-grip when the privations commence. As a pragmatic paranoiac, I see those who advocate a reality-based mindset to be far outmatched in numbers by the willfully ignorant and deluded. We might hope that this would change, but I’m sure not placing any bets on it… or loved-ones lives.
(My paranoia involves mostly trust issues. I ain’t a’skeer’t of much. I’m far too “shit happens”/”luck o’ the draw” for that. My passions run as cold as well water.)
“Don’t look at the propaganda you are fed as a source of information, prog, look at it as a clue to what the ruling class has planned.” -Wage
Wage, always good advice. Reading between the lines is becoming a “skill”. (Older PRAVDA readers could likely teach us a thing or two about it. ;o)
So, Wage, I take it that you don’t trust the big O to deliver any relief to the lumpenprole anytime in the near future? ;o)
Who ya gonna trust?
I had read that article. Cold-blooded sleight-of-hand, as per usual.
Thanks for the update link.
“We don’t have any large group of politicians who can relate to the working classes because they’re all a bunch of Mandarins.”
-E.
Very true, and this is why they’re moving their lips faster to pretend they care about the “little people”, while at the same time desperately trying to draw veils over their “connections”. Registered lobbyist for POTUS??? WTFTSTFizzat, Newt?? (Thanks Charlie. ;o)
Vote Jill Stein. Vote Green Party.
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At this stage of our political devolution we don’t need a party with a broad based platform of “big” ideas, we need a party expousing one central idea:
Get rid of the collusion between big money and government, end the corruption, and return government to the people….. if you accomplish that, the rest of the agenda will take care of itself.
“Fsck you and fsck your Vatican Christian “zionists”.”
You see met, that’s the problem. Those few of us who have had our eyes pried open, are the ones here at CFN that have been trying to warn you and your people not to go to Jerusalem. They have been collecting “tithes and offerings” to send common jews, who just want to get out of whatever hellhole they have been conscripted to, back to the homeland. And we, at least I, have been trying to get you to pull your head out of your “vatican” and see the writing on the wall.
All these things have been prophesied from very early, but the dark side has had the names switched around, it was really very clever. But even this blindness was foretold in stories of the fathers. And as you said, “You’re not going to get informed following the guidance of people whose agenda is to discourage you from reading the source material.”
Follow your own advice. Read the bible for the first time, without yer blinders. You will find there a story of intrigue echoing down through the ages, over and over.
“During W.’s term I noticed that Rove was practicing a school child form of battle. It’s “I know you are but what am I” tactic. And the inverse. It seems to deflect real discussion of what the insane leadership is doing. They create a global class war and if you say anything about it, you are fighting a class war. You can never get through to them, they are impervious.” -LB
Good point (among many others).
It’s an effective tactic, as we’ve seen. It’s even used on this very blog, which would probably be the last place one might expect it, but there ya go. A further indicator of just “how fucked” we are [in the lack of critical thinking], if we can’t recognize this pissy tactic when it rears its’ deformed head.
“If we trace it back far enough, we find that the real reason America supports the Israeli state is…” we can trace the teachings of dispensationalism [ aka Darbyism ] back to a fellow named Scofield.
“As a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, he met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer who had been sent to Atchison by the “Secret Six” some thirty years before to work the Abolitionist cause. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar, and procured his appointment as Federal Attorney for Kansas. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Cyrus serving time for criminal forgery.
While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the “any moment now” rapture doctrine.
Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following his Illuminati connections to New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which he listed as his residence for the next twenty years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League.
Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the people who financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his concordance.
It is impossible to overstate the influence of Cyrus Scofield on twentieth-century Christian beliefs. The Scofield Bible is the standard reference work in virtually all Christian ministries and divinity schools. It is singularly responsible for the Christian belief that the Hebrew Prophecies describe the kingdom of Jesus’ Second Coming, and not the Zionist vision of a man-made New World Order.
And it is precisely because Christians persist in this belief that they remain blind to the reality of Zion.
Scofield served as the agent by which the Zionists paralyzed Christianity, while they prepared America for our final conquest.”
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm
Follow your own advice. Read the bible for the first time, without yer blinders.
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I read the TaNaKh, I have not fully read the Vatican scriptures as I have very low tolerance for lies and idiocy. I know who my enemies are. I know who’s been targeting me and my people throughout the ages (directly and by proxy) and I know their criminal insanity, their lies, their malicious scheming, and their lust for blood and power knows no bounds.
One for LB (et al.) from our favorite lyricist, “Dr.” Phil R.
A tasty morsel:
“— When Bill Clinton and his scary, scary libido stalked the public realm, Republicans warned his presence was so anathema to all things holy that his hot breath served to salt the wings of choirs of angels.
Yet Newt Gingrich’s booty calls are forgivable. Stones shall not be cast. His transgressions humanize him and the balms of forgiveness of Christian believers rising from this sin-buffeted earth cause the Baby Jesus to coo into the dawn of a coming golden age.” -P.R.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30355.htm
(BTW, this screed scourges all Mandarins alike without fear or favor. Don’t be mislead by the strange title. ;o)
Gee here in ‘the Sustainable City’ with its ‘Ombudsperson’ they love Big Dreams.
Someone who grew up here says its the ‘NY Left’ thats ruined Santa Monica. I dunno.
‘the essence of Judaism is ethnicity. But it gets complicated: a Jew can stay a Jew even if he becomes a Buddhist. But if he converts to Christianity, he is [percieved] to have rejected his Race, Religion, Nation, Community etc. ‘
[i before e except after c]
The essence of Jewishness is separation from other..
Especially Christian ‘goyim’ [filthy beasts].
Yahoo News ignores real news to announce Barney Franks possible marriage and holocaust survivors death.
The real news is the Muslim Immigrant soldier [read Infiltrator] getting 25 years.
Your reading comprehension is indeed limited.
I explained why I never met a religious Jew. And I told you before that I grew up in a barrio, surrounded by Catholics.
There was one family named Shapiro, who I assumed were Jews. In fifth grade, at Christmas time, the daughter, who had a beautiful singing voice, was assigned by a teacher from Kentucky to sing “We are climbing Jacob’s Ladder. Soldiers of the Cross.”
I thought that that was rude, but the girl didn’t object, so I assumed that she was an atheist. I didn’t really know her, I was just in choir with her.
But when you pull your self-pitying, persecuted Christian shit, think of the outrageous behavior of that teacher toward that child.
Also, I said that I never knew a Vietnam vet who was proud of it UNTIL I moved to the south. Here’s my conversation with one.
http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2009/10/vietnam-vet-speaks-and-boy-is-he.html
Learn to read, Vlad.
‘And, again, homeland or no homeland, how could anyone look at the Holocaust and not give up on the idea of a all-powerful God’
Meaning Jews should have turned Atheist due to Hitler?
Again WW1 and 2 killed 100,000,00 people.
Wars as ‘old as the hills’.
Up till 1960s USA family size was 4 Children.
Thats when we had a strong middle class so Wimmen didnt have to go work outside their home.
Now Immigrants have ‘big third world families’..
I was at Subway sandwich y’day and sho nuff a fat black lady with 3 small children rolled in.
Blacks and Mexicans still have big [3 or more] children.
‘And lets no forget the constant hostility that wine sipping leftists have for Joe Sixpac’
Archie Bunker and many other anti christian , anti American, anti white ‘creatures’ are created by Hollywood jews….go to wiki and read about
The Archie Bunker TV Show and its producer / director.
Or Seinfeld pissing on a picture on Jesus on SNL.
Turk don’t take what I’m going to say as disrespect for you personally.
I’ve heard and read similar things about studies on poverty and happiness and all I can say is I wipe my ass with them.
Why? Because I’ve visited the graves of kinfolk in the old country that died young from lack of medicine and malnutrition. And I saw the look on my parent’s faces. When we left the graves my dad said (roughly translated) “Such misery”. I had just a taste of what comes out of poverty.
So Asoka’s post on poverty and crying with the poor radiated such bullshit that hair fell off of me in clumps.
I would say that neither you nor I nor the people that purport to study such things (nor Asoka) would be remotely qualified to draw connections between poverty and happiness until we personally experience poverty ie going for months or years without ever getting our fill at mealtime or watching people die for lack of basic medicine. Then we can talk with some knowledge. I think that until such time NONE of us would have a clue.
I was looking at ‘Alternative Right and Political Cesspool last nite……One of them mention Nikki Minaj and her ‘Nasty Ho’ youtube clip…YA GOTTA SEE IT FOLKS..ALMOST 15 MILLION VIEWS IN A MONTH….HUFFINGTON POST LOVES IT
those who see it…lemme know yr thoughts
Asoka,
I knew Q. and you’re no Q!
When I said “they” I was referring to the Adelson couple. It is indeed plural since both husband and wife are funding Newt separately.
lbendet, did you see this?
“They usually take advantage of cast off furniture, old cars, thrift shop clothes and other surplus items therefore depriving poor Americans with nowhere else to go of these items.”
How low can we go when one reason given to deport people is so that Real Americans can have all the good dumpster stuff?
They don’t care in the least.
As I said in my post:
“This thing only works in the short/medium term which is what they only care about anyway. Make the big score, cash out, launder the loot by buying yachts and mansions and gold bullion and watch the world sink and try not to laugh in public.”
I misspelled her name and the movies title:
The following is an installment in AltRight’s ongoing series “So This Is How It Ends” (STIHIE), which chronicles instances of decadence and degeneration so advanced that one can only conclude and hope that we are living in a terminal stage of Western civilization.
“Booty Wave,” sung by the fictional artist “K’ronica,” is a satirical take on contemporary pop music, a genre which, The Onion reports–channelling STIHIE, no doubt!–likely signals the downfall of civilization.
Nicki Minaj ‘Stupid Ho’..a classic.
Since when does there need to be ‘A Reason’ to deport those who broke in, aside from the fact they broke in?
The way I understand it is that the right wing Christians want Israel to be there so that their Messiah can come back and destroy the world, including the Jews who don’t convert. They, of course, get raptured.
That’s why they support Israel. They don’t think that the world can be destroyed without it.
But they aren’t Catholics. Remember that Catholics were very hated by those southern Baptists who surround Prog. The KKK was formed against them, as well as blacks.
No, I think the big O is faking it.
And I trust Jill Stein, of course.
Yeah, that would be two of the principles of the Green Party, Dale.
No corporate contributions accepted.
Grassroots democracy.
“How low can we go when one reason given to deport people is so that Real Americans can have all the good dumpster stuff?” -Wage
I’d have to opine, “pretty damn low”. And then add, “what makes you believe we won’t descend to such desperations?”
Our overlords won’t see the writing on the wall and react with “social reforms” (giveaways of food, shelter) until the lootings and burnings are in full swing and they find the military reluctant to protect Mandarin property by force of arms. In such a scenario, things will resemble that space between the rock and the hard place. You saw how “folks” reacted with hurricanes on the way; take that as an object lesson.
“I know who my enemies are. I know who’s been targeting me and my people throughout the ages…”
Then you also know who has not.
“The following paragraphs are quoted from the book, The World’s Troublemakers, by Bruce Brown, a Methodist minister from Australia. Once again, Untermeyer’s power and influence is made clear in his ability to manipulate the masses of Jews and leaders of nations… as well as the Scofield Reference Bible. Begin transcript at page 53.
THE CALL FOR WAR — When Hitler had been soundly established, Samuel Untermeyer, a New York Jewish lawyer, called for war on Germany. This call was made through radio station WABC on August 7, 1933. He had just returned from a world conference of Jews at The Hague. In the broadcast, he said he was calling for a “holy war”, and described the Jews as “the aristocrats of the world”.
This same gentleman was connected with the Foreign Policy Association of New York and the worldwide organisation to move Jews out of Germany, not only into the United States, but to Palestine and other countries. These activities were tied in with the organisation known as the “international Boycott on German Goods”, of which Samuel Untermeyer was the head!
From that time the “Hate Germany” campaign was intensified and made worldwide, with a special Jewish-organised “National Conference of Jews and Christians” assisting! These are the hate-spreaders, but they never grow tired of praising themselves. That marked the beginning of the Jewish exodus from Germany.
… The late C.H. Douglas called attention to the fact that the misery through which the people of Germany passed at the hands of the Jews [international money-lenders] in the pre-Hitler period stimulated a revenge complex, and served to reconcile the German population to the acceptance of the finance-backed dictator. Norman Bentwich confirms this. In the book “The Jews In Our Time”, he says:
“The circumstances of the national humiliation which the Germans suffered by the Treaty of Versailles made them prone to find a scapegoat.”
He was anxious to help his compatriots [Jews] get away from Germany, and for that purpose visited Australia in 1938. He was accompanied by Captain Victor Cazalet, M.P., who declared that Christianity would be condemned unless it made a serious effort to find a solution of the problem!
CHAOS AFTER THE “PEACE” CONFERENCE – Mrs. B.M. Palmer, a very competent writer in the United Kingdom, in an article published on January 13, 1940, said:
“During the chaos which supervened on the Versailles Treaty, the German middle classes were deprived of their savings and small businesses, and came under the control of international Jews who had access to the international money market.
This is the real origin of Anti-Semitism in Germany. The fact that the blow fell on inoffensive citizens, [religious Jews – the ‘lesser brethren’] even on scholars and artists who had nothing to do with the world of finance, has blinded well-meaning people to the fact that the international money-lenders are responsible for the terrible troubles that fell on their own people. They knew perfectly well that there would be pogroms.
The slaughter of a few hundred Jews was no more to them than the German casualties are to Hitler. They want world domination, and they are prepared that their own should pay for it.” [end quoting from World’s Troublemakers]
That last paragraph, while off the immediate topic of the Scofield/ Untermeyer connection, was transcribed to demonstrate the fact that the persecution of Jews has been orchestrated by the International money-lenders who *call* themselves “Jews”.
To achieve their political program of World Dominion they have utilized divisiveness and hatred between Jew and non-Jew; orchestrated pogroms, oppression, suppression, and persecution of the Jew masses. We will be posting information to further expand on and explain this process.
Meantime, begin to realize that their plan can only succeed if the animosity between races continues. If we stop playing the game they made up, their game is up. Simple, and not easy. Simple and yet, true.”
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unt.htm
When I said “too many progressives” I didn’t say ALL progressives.
IMO what people want and need more than anything are decent jobs and incomes and prospects. Progressives can talk “progress” all they want but with people that I talk to at least decent jobs and incomes are front and center. If progressives realistically address those issues they will have people’s attention. Personally I haven’t been hearing a lot from progressives on this. As Lbendet said there’s no fight.
man, i m with you on that…i know what it is like to be hungry, i ve gone to school wearing the same pants all week, i have had christmases when i felt damned grateful to get socks; but i also know it is relative to the rest of the world, in that we lived through it- more than some families get…i ve always believed the primary teachings of the commune we lived in: that due to the conservation of mass and energy (i paraphrase there) we must share the resources equally among all people in order for all people to have access to hem…i know that sounds like ‘pie in the sky’ to somebody who already had breakfast, and has an expectation of lunch, but put yourself in someone’s shoes who has nothing- and no hope- and it becomes as obvious as the double chin above a necktie…i m just sayin’…i submit that we need a supreme court, congress, and president who have each never owned a thousand dollars at a time to be making decisions which affect those many of us who are breaking our backs to perpetuate this experiment in sociology we can t legitimately call the USA…2%, anyone?
…i submit that we need a supreme court, congress, and president who have each never owned a thousand dollars at a time to be making decisions which affect those many of us who are breaking our backs …CFT
Wouldn’t THAT be something.
Did you hear about Mitt saying that he hadn’t made that much in speaking fees ie $340,000(?). Ten years salary for the average joe.
One little thing about that update article surprises me. That would be [AG of the US] Eric Holder’s absolute complicity in these scams and “takings”. It was mentioned that he’s a “good soldier” that didn’t produce any prosecutions, but nothing about his very serious ulterior motives of profit for not doing so…
Okay, gotta git. Slings and arrows (and all that shit. ;o)
Great Links. I had no idea that the Jewish Connection with Scofield was so clear. But will anyone listen? People have the hardest time accepting that they’ve been duped – even if it isn’t there fault at all. But by taking such an attitude, making it into a personal ego thing – it becomes their fault when they refuse to look.
Hatred and Contempt for Gentiles is one of the Foundations of “Judaism” since the time of the Pharisees. And even in the Old Testament, there is quite a bit. And even when Jews secularized, it made the jump and continued on. The Reform Jews don’t hate (in general) Gentiles per se – as long as they renounce their Race, Religion, and Culture. Well, the price is too high. War is better than such “peace”. The only light I see is the evangelical movement among the Jews – particularly in Israel. They keep their culture and ethnic identity – and stop hating us. That’s the ideal anyway, it doesn’t always work out that way. I read a book by a Convert, a real creep who said basically, Thanks for nothing guys. Jesus is Jewish and you should shut up about Him. The rabid Ethnic Pride survived the “conversion”.
Here’s a couple o’slime balls calling for War:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4dl91wuHKY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL45CAB3487AB9C673
they are going to be so screwed when it doesn’t happen according to their religious beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rucLaLlxOdw&feature=BFa&list=PL45CAB3487AB9C673&lf=results_main
Zionists [ filled with the leaven of Herod ] have always used the government to achieve their goals, even sacrificing the members of their host nation’s citizens.
Easu was to be returned the birthright, for a time, to obligate him to fulfill its requirements, which he would of course ignore just as their father did in days of old.
Swindled by Jacob in return we are swindled by his brother.
Italy? Hi Cash! Rhino? Let’s go kill some Nah Sties! As the dying Mussonlini said of his Countrymen, they were too Italian and not Roman.
Great work against Asoka btw.
Good point, Ozone. I hadn’t thought of that.
He’s not just a good soldier. He’s covering his own butt.
Just the opposite: because things are going to be so bad, so few job, and so many shortages, is exactly why we should deport the illegals. Why is this so hard for you two? Because as Marxists, you hate the idea of separate Nations and you particularly hate the United States. You two are no better than Asoka – a damning indictment if I do say so myself.
Remember that Catholics were very hated by those southern Baptists who surround Prog. The KKK was formed against them, as well as blacks.
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Eric Phelps, who is a white separatist (and a Southern Baptist, I think), exposes the KKK and the Vatican control over all these “secret” organizations. The high level leadership and controllers in these organization are Vatican agents. The low level soldiers are ignorant of this.
The same basic scheme operated in WWII. Roosevelt, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, were all Jesuit agents. They worked in concert and under the direction of the Vatican. The collusion between these actors who were supposedly at war is well documented. WWII was really an inquisition disguised was a world war. It was designed as a mass murder killing field for “heretics”, liberals, and Jews. And that’s what it was.
That’s logical but it didn’t seem to be the emotional reality “on the ground” that I saw. These people seemed more into Israel and the Jews than they were into Christ. They are very focused on Politics, Enonomics and the future. Christians are going to be raptured out and the Jews are going to inherit the Earth to rule with the Jewish Christ on the Throne in Jerusalem.
Can you post that article on BlackAgenda? The one about Holder and MERS?
I can’t remember where it was, and I have trouble posting on that site.
Great work against Asoka btw.
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Yes, Rhino, and his crocodile tears, have defeated me.
LOL!
LOL!
Did the Adelson couple make the money being given to Newt, or just Mr. Adelson?
From Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-usa-holder-mortgage-idUSTRE80J0PH20120120
Buh-bye!
Then you also know who has not.
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And you’re not one of them.
You are just as contaminated with this insanity as the criminally insane Vatican pederasts or the “Zionist” Christians, etc. I hold you all and your parasitic cults in as much contempt and hatred as I do the Vatican Litvaks with their Vatican Talmud and their Polak Vatican “Jew” garb.
Asoka,
Doesn’t matter The money is coming from her own acct. I would say just quit while you’re ahead. It’s
a waste of time to have made an issue about what I wrote anyway.
Just look at the big picture and stop trying to be Q2.
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Wage,
The fight over the scraps is part of the overall decline in every way. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Nothing like blaming the wrong people.
This Phelps must be another Zionist shill. The hatred of the KKK for Catholics is well known – as is their connection with Masonry via Albert Pike. As a Conspiracy Theorist, you are a disgrace. In contrast, I always admit evil doing in the Church and admit a strong Gentile component in the New World Order (and a “Catholic” one as well). You wont admit any Jewish involvement – which is ridiculous.
“I’m guessing that you broke up with your girlfriend, Bustin.
You get really cranky when you’re not getting laid.”
How’d you know?? As Jim (Morrison) said, “Women seem wicked when you’re unwanted”…
She has other boyfriends. She’s constantly telling me she’s going to dump them, but, what women say and what women do are two different things.
“Vote jill Stien. Vote Green Party”,
–Asoka
Hey Asoka, I see a big part of Jill Stein’s platform is special rights for ‘transgenders’. Now here is an issue the electorate can rally around. Over the road truckers, soldiers, sailors, loggers, miners, commercial fishermen, farmers, machinists … this is what concerns them the most, whether or not tranvestites are getting a fair shake or not. In the Pressroom where I work I hear this matter discussed all the time. In fact this show of support for ‘transgenders’ most likely was inserted into the Green Party platform to appeal especially to the 100 million or so blue collar working people the Green Party purports to represent. What a political stroke of genius!! Its a surefire vote getter!
–WSP7
Well in as much as Gnosticism is certain aspects of Egyptian, Greek, and Babylonian Occultism reworked into a Christian form – it predates Christianity since these systems predate Christianity. But in and of itself as a new creation – no.
I think you have made a mistake spiritually but it’s quite understandable. As Gurdjieff said, “If you want to become an atheist, make friend with your priest.” And even as a little boy I felt the nuns were “off”. I didn’t have the words repression or neurotic but I had the right idea. I read that the introduction of the enneagram into one Order of Nuns emptied on convent after another. That’s telling, no? I mean how deep were their vocations if a little tool of self knowledge could do all that? The therapists were alarmed and cancelled further work – they never had any such intention.
And alcoholics are apparently often very deep people. Some have even called it the sacred disease. I’ve often marveled at the Truth of the Antinominal Point of View. As one of my clients once told me “I had to become crazy and go live in an institution to meet good people”.
This is all Greek to others. Every man builds his own universe based on the experience that comes his way and how he interprets it. Obviously not all good people are in mental institutions but to her that seemed the Truth. Or take Edward Abbey the great writer and environmental pioneer. He thought family was crap based on his own violent Appalachian upbringing. Then late in life, he married his third wife and was amazed at the closeness of her family. He was sceptical but in the end he realized the love was real and that these things varied tremendously. He had simply drawn the karmicaly short straw. All of this is made clear when one family member is dying. How everyone behaves reveals the truth. You can see it in hospital rooms. My family wasn’t close although I felt alot of love for my parents at the end.
He has. Why don’t you try to be a good man instead of a trickster? That role is for certain gods not men, at least not all the time. As the old Persian saying says, “Never trust a man who never laughs or who never stops laughing”. The one who never stops laughing has a very serious agenda underneath all that fake frivolity.
Soon we will need a third restroom for these critters. But that will not satisfy them – men dressed as women will insist on using ladies’ room and women will flee in fear. So we will need a fourth rest room for these. And so on.
Nothing can unite the divided but love. And love calls for sacrafice. And that means not forcing their weirdness on Society but keeping it a private or semi-private vice. Let them have their places. The police shouldn’t have harrased the gays of Stonewall if they weren’t bothering other people.
SearchHow hard I
forget the past
; retrieve lost memories never
Quenan back past affective
What was once hard to forget that little bit of light
depression and weeping
past but can not forget gathered
I would say just quit while you’re ahead.
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I’m ahead? Damn, first time that’s happened. 🙂
Lbendet, you are taking this much too seriously.
I don’t care whether I’m ahead or behind.
Yes, the Green Party was an early advocate for homosexuals and now they are proud members of our Armed Forces.
The Green Party is in the vanguard, protecting the rights of people who are made fun of by people like you.
The one who never stops laughing has a very serious agenda underneath all that fake frivolity.
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This is false. Or at least I think it’s false. You’ll never know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg
Gosh, (she said modestly) it wasn’t really that hard to figure out.
“Kill, kill, kill”.
Why? Because I’ve visited the graves of kinfolk in the old country that died young from lack of medicine and malnutrition.
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Yeah….Asoka has a problem with conflating Buddhist thinking and squishy “new age” nonsense, then presenting the frothy combination as some sort of truism.
The reality is; we all need food, shelter and medical care. Beyond that, lasting happiness is independent of material issues.
Soon we will need a third restroom for these critters.
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Transgendered individuals are human beings, not “critters” … once again you show your ignorant bigotry, Vlad.
Laws protecting transgender persons from discrimination in public accommodations would not mandate unisex restrooms.
Use your head, Vlad. Why would a third restroom be needed? Nobody customarily examines the genitals of people before allowing them to use the restroom.
So it seems safe to assume that most transgender persons can and do relieve themselves in peace.
Vlad, you just don’t know about who is using bathrooms, so you cannot say which bathroom they should use …
Unless you are examining other peoples’ genitals in bathrooms. You aren’t doing that, are you Vlad?
More likely than not I would say simple bigotry is the primary reason why some people oppose transgender rights.
Yeah, that would be two of the principles of the Green Party, Dale.
No corporate contributions accepted.
Grassroots democracy.
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My point was, the other eight items get in the way of accomplishing those two necessities. Frankly, we can all get along for a few more years without gay marriage, (for me, I don’t give a shit, one way or the other) but a few more years of what’s going on now, in terms of financial inequality, and most of the Green Party agenda will become moot.
If we just set out to get rid of the corruption, then democracy can again flower. What we need now is a broad based coalition to lance the infection.
Thank you. I sent an email, because I still couldn’t comment.
Matt Tahibbi’s take. Check out the Lanny Breuer connection!
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/9649-is-obamas-economic-populism-for-real
And my favorite comment –
“What we know is that Obama becomes populist during each election season, after-which it’s business as usual. We know that partisan Democratic voters only need symbolic gestures, which this obviously is, to perpetuate loyalty. Mission Accomplished.””
There are four key values, Dale, and gay marriage is not one of them.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Maybe we should return to the good old days that you pine for, when corporations didn’t buy politicians, politicians bought voters.
At least that way, we’d get something out of the elections.
Please read this by Karl Denninger today:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=201136
Ya think that maybe TPTB don’t want us to have energy independence?
Thanks for the link, Wage.
Wow – you guys have been busy since last night. It’s going to take me a while to work my way back up through the thread. Here goes:
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“This is false. Or at least I think it’s false. You’ll never know.”
-asoka., to vlad, concerning “fake frivolity”-
Yeah, OK, sure, asoka.. ?
Concerning why you asoka. qualify as a Resident Impediment and Met/mika does not – well, responses such as the one above are part of the reason.
And we can all say a lot of things about Met. He’s angry, bitter, vslgar, and, IMO, he’s way off the deep end concerning those Vatican Jesuits as a root of all evil. But Met never impedes the dialog with side issues – far from it, in fact. He’s focused like a laser on his key area of obsession.
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Beyond that asoka., and concerning karma and karmic retribution – Karmic force in which you do not believe until you do, or something.
You have single-handedly taught me (or reminded me) that there are native born blacks (and others) whose hate for the US is so DEEP that they will NEVER be happy, until the USA is destroyed as a country or humiliated to those person’s satisfaction by bombings, attacks, hunger, hardship, or other bad “karmic” events.
Now, if – repeat IF – you really are an angry old black man, do what you think you’ve got to do, and let the chips fall wherever they may.
But if you’re something else, which I highly suspect to be the case – then you are strewing around a lot of random bad karma, for no discernible reason except to screw with people’s heads on CFN.
Which is unfortunate.
You’ve been on a ROLL, Wage:
“What we know is that Obama becomes populist during each election season, after-which it’s business as usual.” -WL, quoting Matt Talibi-
My opinion is that Obama is at his “best?” when campaigning. I could see it clearly during the SOTU speech. In my mind I could read his thoughts shifting gears, “Damn, I hate governing. It sucks. But I LOOVE campaigning. I love winning elections. I love making empty promises. HOPE!
CHANGE! USA!”
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Gosh, (she said modestly) it wasn’t really that hard to figure out.
“Kill, kill, kill”
-wage, psychoanalyzing bustinJ-
That’s funny, right there, Wage.
But when you’re right, you’re right.
Go get laid, Bustin! 😉
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“The Big O is faking it.” -wage on obama-
You WERE being sarcastic about trusting Jill Stein, “of course,” – or were you??
I don’t think its wise to trust any politician any farther than you can throw her. (or him)
you are strewing around a lot of random bad karma, for no discernible reason
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I agree with the bad karma part, but not with the “no discernible reason” part.
What I experienced while all you white-skin privileged folks were basking in your mythical 1950s (a nightmare time for Black folks) is what whites are beginning to experience now.
The angrier y’all get, the more scared y’all get, the more disgusted y’all get, the more incredible it seems.
I never thought I’d live to see the day when white folks would have to suffer what I suffered in those bad Jim Crow times.
Now you are about to see what bad times are, and you won’t like it one bit.
I was smart enough to develop a Plan B, thanks to Jim Crow, JHK and CFN. When the USA goes down, I won’t be around…
WSP this is funny stuff, too:
“Hey Asoka, I see a big part of Jill Stein’s platform is special rights for ‘transgenders’. Now here is an issue the electorate can rally around. Over the road truckers, soldiers, sailors, loggers, miners, commercial fishermen, farmers, machinists … this is what concerns them the most, whether or not tranvestites are getting a fair shake”
-wsp-
Funny stuff – and it really ought to be funny to a transgendered person with a sense of humor, on some level. Apparently, though, one has to check his/her (her/his??) sense of humor at the door when dealing with any areas that involve Identity Politics in these US.
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Dale – you are 100% right that a third party needs to focus on one or two key issues – to have any hope of success.
Ms. Stein seems to be doing the opposite.
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Is it possible that we will hit “peak oil,” “peak population,” and “peak toleration for “diversity,”” – – all at the same time, worldwide?
Read BLACK LIKE ME by John Howard Griffin (1961) to see the real 1950s.
“The angrier y’all get, the more scared y’all get, the more disgusted y’all get….”
The meaner we get.
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I’ll tell you like I tell Vlad. It is not wise to stir the forces of hate.
And that’s what you are doing on CFN.
Procon said: “The meaner we get.”
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Be careful, ProCon. You not gonna get away with your meanness like in the past. The days of Blacks meekly looking down and saying “yes, massah” are over.
“He maketh fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aik3JnHWtEc&feature=autoplay&list=PL45CAB3487AB9C673&lf=results_main&playnext=2
Thanks, prog, but I wasn’t being sarcastic about Jill.
She’s not a politician. She’s a doctor, a graduate of Harvard Medical School, who feels that she can do more for public health by affecting public policy.
Marlin is full of shit, as usual.
Her program is NOT mainly based on transgender rights.
That should be too absurd for you to believe.
The SNAFU we are in is not fixable by 1 or 2 soundbites. That is for the corporate parties to pretend.
We need systematic change in multiple parts of our society. Greens have actually thought about these things, and not just every four years. That’s why our platform is so long, although our principles are short. There are a lot of people who care a lot about the environment, our democracy, our foreign policy and our economy, who propose ideas for the rest of us to cogitate and argue over.
The corporate parties simply hire public relations companies to figure out which slogans will appeal to unthinking Americans.
To pretend that “Drill, baby, drill” is high quality policy and equal rights for all citizens is fluff, should be beneath you, prog. Although I expect nothing better from Marlin.
That’s not what I’ve seen, asoka.
It seems to me that black people are still afraid of white people’s meanness.
Plus, most black people are taught not to hate, even those who hate them.
“Israel is there to be devastated by a catastrophic world war so that their fscking massiah can re-establish the Vatican world government on the ashes of Israel.” -met-
Met, you are so busy making the Vatican Jesuits responsible for all evil – that you are not listening to what MD and I are trying to tell you.
So here it is again, paraphrased:
Ahem –
There is a large subset of American Evangelicals who vote reliably for any politician who advocates any policy that favors Israel – foreign aid, armament aid, whatever.
This subset of voters votes so reliably that the US can be said to have Israel’ back, now – and for some time into the foreseeable future.
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You don’t believe MD or me – and you spin what should be our “good news” off in an opposite direction. Go figure.
Marlin/WSP – You are very reliably conservative in your positions. You also have made some some strong statements in favor of Israel.
You want to jump in here and try to take over for MD and me.
Met, it doesn’t pay in the long run to alienate your supporters – no matter how misguided or ill-intentioned you may think they are.
It’s no wonder that apathy abounds among the mainstream populace of the US. Trying to navigate the Byzantine hall of mirrors otherwise known as American politics/cronyism might take any one person a lifetime, and who wants to waste a life chasing down scum and shit ? And yet for the more conscientious among us – Wage and Lbendet come to mind – the ‘price of freedom is eternal vigilance’ never seems to evaporate into denial or the pursuit of insipid pastimes.
One more thing, Met –
What is it with you and those Litvaks?
Are you saying that these people have been infiltrated by the Jesuits?
Are you saying they ARE Jesuits?
Please clarify.
Plus, most black people are taught not to hate, even those who hate them.
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It’s a daily struggle, Wage.
“As Gurdjieff said, “If you want to become an atheist, make friend with your priest.”
Just as a muscle needs an antagonist and an agonist, so does the spiritual plane need a dot of black within the greater white and a dot of white within the greater black. Otherwise a limp, stale flaccidity prevails.
I think this concept is put most succinctly in the Tai Chi Classics: “ Seek the straight through the curved, the curved through the straight.”
Absolutely brilliant. You are to be congratulated. I love both Gurdjieff and Taoism. Spending roughly one year in three different monastic houses gave me an invincible contempt for all things churchy. As I used to tell my crazy girlfriend who suffered from religious mania: “if you want me to attend Mass with you then first you must sit on my face or I’m not going, and once there, under no circumstances will I recieve communion.” She finally got the message and started attending alone.
Shakespeare says the same thing in Hamlet. Some villians just smile and smile.
Are you saying that these people have been infiltrated by the Jesuits?
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Not infiltrated, I believe they are a Jesuit creation from A to Z. Everything about them screams foreign aliens to me. They are not Hebrews. I just sense this about them. And I’m not the only one with this feeling. I really don’t understand why they are tolerated by Israel and aren’t expelled. They are a small number and the rest of the population is extremely repulsed by them and hates them vehemently.
Sometimes you just have to have a sense of humor. Just realized that I told Buck Stud that he was “absolutely brilliant” and all he did was quote you! Let’s put it this way: I don’t think I’ve made “a spiritual mistake”. But I now picture you as being older than formerly was the case since not only did you go to school with nuns but regrettably you also say that both of your parents are gone.
To me vowed religious are not “other”, but rather, miserably human to the extent that they typically are more like below average than anything else. To me they’re just not firing on all cylinders, to borrow a gearhead expression. They are people who have had to voluntarily institutionalize themselves and then from there on in it’s strictly revenge of the nerds because if, God forbid, a fairly normal person joins the convent or monastery by mistake, then of course that person who’s firing on all cylinders must be destroyed, because after all, no one wants the unfair competition for promotion or coveted jobs in the abbey. And more to the point, the fact that they even have ranks and seniority at all proves how phoney they are. Shouldn’t everyone be equal since they’ve all been baptized? But no, that would be too cool. Better to be a bunch of anxious little twits worried about sucking Mother Superior’s tight little ass. That’s why I say fuck all of them; enlightened they most certainly are not.
After the last year of epidemic Black Violence you can still claim this? You White Lefties have less and less relevance to White Americans.
Yes Christianity does best when it is being persecuted. Then it really shines. The test of power it often fails.
Met, it doesn’t pay in the long run to alienate your supporters – no matter how misguided or ill-intentioned you may think they are.
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They are not my supporters. I think I made it very clear that I’m an anti-theist. Furthermore, I also made it very clear that I’m an anti-imperialist. You want to be my supporter, them are the conditions.
Christianity has produced countless extraordinary people. But I must agree that its best days seem to be behind it – at least as regards large institutions like the Church. How can I defend an Institution that seems eager to disgrace itself? But you’re painting with a very broad brush, why don’t you narrow it a bit? You’re not all men.
My experience in Orthodoxy leads me to believe that the disease is less advanced there.
Other people have had better experiences in Monastaries. Perhaps it was a bad idea for you? As one Saint said, Many leave Egypt but linger in the desert and never make it to the Promised Land. If you entered the Monastary as a “geographical cure” it was bound to fail. The battle must be fought where it begins – within. If you abstained from wine and women outwardly while harboring intense desires for them inwardly, there was never a chance of a good outcome.
But again, many abstain inwardly and outwardly and have no great spirituality – just deadness. William Blake understand this aspect of modernity, I’m not sure hardly any Christians do. The same with Tibetan Buddhism btw: the Dalai Lama has been stopped in his tracks when people inform him that Westerners often don’t love themselves. So the seed of spirituality is sterile – how can you extend to others what you don’t even have for yourself?
I’m mellow on most things…but I stop at transgender. If you want to cross-dress that’s fine…but surgically changing things is wrong.
It’s a sign of narcissism.
You may say it’s no big deal to share a restroom with a transgender…but I bet you never had to do it. A man at our church started being a woman and he was 6’3″ with an adam’s apple the size of a chestnut. When he came into the restroom, I did the skee-dadle. Ick. Chaz Bono is loathsome.
SJmom
Oh you are so noble! What an enabler Wage is. What a hypocrite you are.
“thrift shop clothes and other surplus items therefore depriving poor Americans with nowhere else to go of these items.”
You just gotta be kidding. Did you know that thrift stores in the US, such as Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc export a huge amount of clothing to central & So America. Its sold in ‘Ropa Americana’ stores here, and pretty cheap too. Its all the surplus cloths that nobody WANTS to buy there.
So, no, we are not depriving anybody in Norte America of used and cast of clothing.
“…I made it very clear that I’m an anti-theist. Furthermore, I also made it very clear that I’m an anti-imperialist. You want to be my supporter, them are the conditions.”
-mika/met-
I was speaking of support for Israel, as a political entity and as the Jewish Zion – not of support for you, personally.
As far as an anti-theist Jewish man – that’s still a real forehead slapper to me. I’ll never get it. Judaism kept the Jewish people together through incredible adversity for 2000 years. That takes a powerful God, or at least a powerful set of Beliefs. How do you turn your back on all of that in your hour of greatest success.
And what if you get thrown into a fiery furnace, a la Shadrach, Meshach, or Abednego? Then who you gonna’ call? Ghostbusters? 😉
As far as anti-imperalist – talk to me in a couple of hundred years, Metuselah. If a certain reading of Biblical Prophesy is fulfilled, then the land of Israel will be in charge of all the Earth.
If that’s not Imperialism – what is?
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On a slightly more prosaic note – how do you feel about the two-state solution?
It looks like the best way forward to me – especially considering population trends and demographics in the Middle Eastern neighborhood where Israel resides.
I project that you guys over there have, maybe, 15 years of the US able to keep the rest of the World at bay – on Israel’s behalf. Use it wisely.
And if you want the US/CIA/Vatican to butt out NOW – what about AIPAC, and the Jewish community inside the US?
Don’t they both need to back off a little bit?
“And what if you get thrown into a fiery furnace, a la Shadrach, Meshach, or Abednego? Then who you gonna’ call? Ghostbusters? ;)” -P2C
Ooo, oo, pick me, pick me! (waving upraised hand frantically)
Well, barring some mitigating circumstance (like a fire-hosing with attendant furnace-dousing), it won’t matter WHO you call (unless it’s the fire dept.), you’re gonna fuckin’ die; that’s what.
Cop car is a’screamin’, pedal to the firewall;
Ambulance is doin’ 90; too slow to make the call…
Okay, enough frippery, sorry for the nonsensical interruption. :o)
what about AIPAC, and the Jewish community inside the US?
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What about it? US citizens are entitled to have their political view represented. The CIA is not an Israeli organization and does not represent Israeli citizens. Why you would see the two as somehow equivalent is beyond me.
If a certain reading of Biblical Prophesy is fulfilled, then the land of Israel will be in charge of all the Earth.
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Show me that. I’m very interested to see this.
“The CIA is not an Israeli organization and does not represent Israeli citizens.”
-met/mika, winning CFN understatement of week-
The CIA is under some sort of US Political control.
Don’t tell me it’s not – our PTB can’t move that far outside their political base of support.
In fact – that’s what you keep yelling about on here – that MD and I and all the rest of us fscking US goddam’ redneck crackers are running the US political apparatus to the secret detriment of Israel – even while we are all Vatican Siths who publicly support Israel for our own nefarious purposes.
Yet, you contend that AIPAC and the US Jewish community have zero influence on government and CIA policy.
You want to have your cake and eat it too, met.
That’s impossible.
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Standing by for barrage of fsck, fsck, and FSCK!
The CIA is under some sort of US Political control.
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No, it’s not. That’s been proven over and over gain.
Oh, BTW to P2C or whoever:
I just do not believe that the Jew, nor anyone else, is “Gods Chosen peoples”.
We are all the same, there is NO chosen race of people, no one is better than anyone else, no matter what nutters like Flad say.
Thus Sayeth the Easter Bunny, in all their Chocolaty Goodness. Now, goeth forthe and nibble on my tiny ears, and nibble on my tiny feetses.
Now we all say “YUM!”
😉
I don’t think that that was it. For one thing, the chastity part of the vows is probably the easiest, at least for me, as I’ve consistenly thought that sex was over-rated at least since the age of thirty. I am now 57. And then also, once I managed to quit drinking at the age of 36 I have had no alcohol cravings ever since. Nor do I enjoy loud parties, sporting events, or even dining in restaurants any more.
Then of course monastics are not really poor, since they typically enjoy a solid middle class lifestyle. What they all tell you is that it is obedience which is the hardest of the vows. In my opinion the reason for this is that it is so difficult to take your “superiors” seriously when they are manifestly not superior people.
The rot is less advanced in Orthodoxy for the simple reason that the Orthodox are less sophisticated than Catholics. And then going on to the next level the Anglicans are yet again at least as much more sophisticated than the Catholics as the Catholics are compared to the Orthodox. In fact Anglican monastics are so sophisticated that virtually all of them are gay for Christ’s sake! Which introduces the absurdio ad reductum I was forced to realize the validity of the one summer I worked for an Anglican monastery as grounds keeper: if in fact they are nearly entirely gay and they have taken a vow to abstain from relations with the sex they are not even attrracted to then exactly what is it that they have even given up? The answer of course is “nothing; they’ve given up nothing”. At that point it dawns upon you that you’re employed by nothing more in essence than a particularly effete book club located in an especially pleasant corner of the woods. As Henry Miller said: “nullity on high”.
Hey O3, you can always call the FD. Believe it or not we still get called for cats in trees. I tell the folks “He’ll come down on his own!”. “Have you ever seen a cat skeleton in a tree?”. For some reason they are not amused by my comment! So we take the platform truck and then the cat either climbs higher then 85 ft or he bails. I’ve seen cats jump 50 feet to the ground and run away!They can fly! Anyway I ramble, I just watched a show on the Military History Channel about Corregidor. My father in law was an engineer in WWII. What were we supposed to do with these guys? I am totally anti-war. But sometimes you have to say Enough-is-enough! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Corregidor
Shit, I drive a Toyota now. What were the Germans and Japanese Thinking?
Yet, you contend that AIPAC and the US Jewish community have zero influence on government and CIA policy.
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It is IRRELEVANT whether AIPAC has zero influence on the US government or 100% influence on the US government. AIPAC is a political advocacy group, it is their right to represent citizens of the US.
The CIA is not political advocacy group. It does not represent the citizenry of the US. The CIA is a clandestine government organization completely uncountable to the citizenry of the US. It is really a shadow government within the government.
BTW: If the Jews are supposed to be the chosen race, well, it wasn’t that good of a choice.
I mean, come on, they got lost in a desert thats only a few hundred square miles for 40 YEARS?
If this is the chosen race, God REALLY must have a weird sense of humor….
But hay, we’ll all find out when we die, won’t we?
Don’t stare at the images of men & women coupling while in the Bardo now…..
😉
The CIA is under some sort of US Political control.
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Really?
Then the budget must be public so the taxpayers can see how much taxpayer money has been apportioned to the CIA?
That’s how it works in a democracy: no secret taxation.
Can you provide me a link to the CIA budget, which you claim is under USA political control?
“I just do not believe that the Jew, nor anyone else, is “Gods Chosen peoples”.
We are all the same, there is NO chosen race of people, no one is better than anyone else, no matter what nutters like Flad say.” deeJ
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Therefore, verily I say unto you that it shall be forbidden that anyone who hath knowledge of the tree of birth control shall share this knowledge with anyone who, because of residence in the Ever-To-Be-Praised-Third-World, lacketh such knowledge.
Verily, anyone who hath birthed or sired a child in Thee Olde First World – shall give up all rights to speaketh upon Birth Control – or upon the Sacred Population Growth (of thee US) due to the Sacred Immigration Policy, thereoff.
All yee who hath ears in Yee Olde Third World –
Be fruitful, and multiply, and bury the Earth.
And immigrate – forsooth and verily – into Yee Olde United States.
Hasten, for the hour of doom doth fast approach and thou and thine immigrant children must make haste to gobble up more than thine share of thee total World resources due to thine residence in Thee United States.
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Funny stuff, Dee.
You too, O X Three.
We’re circling each other, met.
“It is IRRELEVANT whether AIPAC has zero influence on the US government or 100% influence on the US government. AIPAC is a political advocacy group, it is their right to represent citizens of the US.”
-met-
Actually, Met, it is AIPAC’s right to represent the citizens of Israel.
And because of the whorish nature of our Senators and Representatives, Political Action Committees with deep pockets – trump ordinary US Citizens, every single day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
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And you are deliberately missing my point.
Israel has a green light.
You can do whatever you like in the Middle East, probably for the next 15 years as the formerly great United States begins to swirl around the drain.
So – what do you think you and the rest of the Israeli’s should do, next?
You want we should attack Iran for you?
Huh Mister Metuselah, huh??
We can blow them up good for youse!
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Seriously – you don’t think that if every politically influential Jewish lobby in the US started telling the US civilian government to tell the CIA and the US Military to BACK THE HELL OFF ON IRAN –
That it wouldn’t deescalate, in a hurry?
Use your powers wisely, Israel.
Global US force projection will not last forever.
Israel has a green light.
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pffftttt please. We’re not interested.
Btw, I’m still waiting for my link. As is Asoka, I believe.
Seriously – you don’t think that if every politically influential Jewish lobby in the US started telling the US civilian government to tell the CIA and the US Military to BACK THE HELL OFF ON IRAN –
That it wouldn’t deescalate, in a hurry?
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LOL! Don’t be such a clown, PC.
The US is yet to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital, or recognize the Golan, or Judea and Samaria as part Israel. Nevermind that it forced Israel out of the Sinai and aided the arabs in carving Jordan from the Jewish Palestine mandate.
“pffftttt please. We’re not interested.”
-met-
Yeah, no joke. I don’t know about the Israeli government, Met – they seem to have a slightly better grounding in the real world than you do.
But, you personally want to blame the US/CIA/Vatican for all of your problems. And you just demonstrated that you have no plan for the future WITHOUT the US.
“Is there a brain, running the brain trust?” Lbend asks us.
Because I sure would like to hear a long range plan for Israel – carried out 20 years and 50 years. If I were Jewish, I don’t think I’d try to get by where you live – if G o d wasn’t nearby – ready to be called upon.
Is that the long term plan?
I don’t see a better one, seriously.
Enlighten us, please.
“LOL! Don’t be such a clown, PC.
The US is yet to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital, or recognize the Golan, or Judea and Samaria as part Israel. Nevermind that it forced Israel out of the Sinai and aided the arabs in carving Jordan from the Jewish Palestine mandate”
-met-
I thought Tel Aviv was the capital.
I thought the Golan heights were seized in war.
Look, met, I don’t know shit about Israeli geography. That’s part of why you are so interesting to me. Plus, I’ve got a suspicion that I’m speaking up with some questions that US born Jews on CFN might like to ask – but will not, for one reason or another.
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Again, for about the fifth time – what do YOU want to happen in Israel?
And why do not AIPAC, and some of the politically influential Jewish groups in the US – advocate for some sensible plan, such as you might suggest, moving forward.
You and the Israelis have to live in Israel.
The rest of us are just bystanders, with greater or lesser degrees of interest in the situation there.
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And you just demonstrated that you have no plan for the future WITHOUT the US.
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What plan do I need to have? Just get the fsck out and stop planting political and military minefields for us and everyone else everywhere around the globe.
Procon, to answer a question of yours:
Contrary to popular belief even among many Jews themselves, it wasn’t religion or God that has bound us together for so long, it is because we are of the same tribe and share a common history going back 4,000 years.
Jews are like other people – some believe in God and some are atheists. It may have started out with being members of the the 1st monotheistic religion as the binding factor, but Jews have suffered so much over most of the past 4,000 years that it is our history that’s kept us as one. Yes, some or many Jews are atheists, but we are still Jews; we are members of the same tribe.
As regards Jewish political power, the idea that Jews control American politics is a joke. It’s true that American Jews have influence out of proportion to their population, but how much? How much power can each Jew have? We are 2% of the US population. If we have 5 times the power of the rest of US citizens, that means we have about a tenth of all the power. The truth is, Jews are just one out of many spheres of power in America; they don’t CONTROL policy.
Non-Jewish Americans feelings toward Israel are mixed. That Israel has generally been allied with America is because Israel is a Western nation – it feels European, and much of America’s ancestry is European, so there is a commonality. Israel’s the only ME nation with democratic ideals like America. Also, I’m sure there’s residual guilt among Christian Americans for what happened to the Jews in WW2.
But I don’t believe for a second that America wouldn’t abandon Israel in a heartbeat if it felt it was in its best interests. Geopolitics is the world’s toughest, nasty poker game and the hardest hardball pursuit.
Thanks, Bill.
That pretty much concurs with my feelings.
Still – regarding Iran in the short term, and the whole Middle East in the long term.
What the hell are we gonna’ do, man?
And Met keeps implying that Israel would be better off of the US would just get out of the way.
Is that a valid argument?
Btw, I’m still waiting for my link. As is Asoka, I believe.
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Yes, Met, I’m still waiting. My suspicion is Procon is all hat and no cattle, so there will be no link for either of us. He’s just talkin’ through his hat.
If we have 5 times the power of the rest of US citizens
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Don’t flatter yourself! You don’t have 5 times the power.
You’ve got 2% of the power, most of it concentrated in New Jersey and New York compared to 78% of Americans who consider themselves Christian.
The Christians have more power. The Christians got W. elected… twice.
“Btw, I’m still waiting for my link. As is Asoka, I believe.” -met, to asoka., to p2c-
This is the link where I provide the entire budget of the Central Intelligence Agency, including many/most of the “black ops” and clandestine parts of this budget, online for you two, correct?
Jeeze.
I’m sure Mossad has a link just like this, too.
I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
My LARGER point is that the CIA is still under the nominal control of the civilian government of the United States – and so is the US Military, as a matter of fact.
If any ONE* influential group began to demand that the CIA act in the best interest of Israel, for example – that would give ANOTHER influential group license to demand that the CIA act in the best interest of Israel –
And pretty soon, before god (God), the CIA might begin to act in the best interest of Israel.
It could happen.
*ONE group – my first choice would be AIPAC backing off over the short term, but coming up with a 20 year plan, then joined by the ADL or some such, then finally joined by some of the Christian groups that Met enjoys vilifying so much, lately.
Again, all it takes is a nudge, at the right time, and it could happen.
I wasn’t trying to flatter myself. I was making your point. Many people think Jews control everything. I was trying to show that’s not so.
Also, thank you for debunking the idea that Jews run everything – if that’s what you were trying to imply. It’s true that Christians have much more power than Jews. BTW, who are the other 20%?
I’ll make it VERY plain for you, PC. If you wish me to continue conversating with you, you better provide me the link to that “Biblical Prophesy” you spoke of and how you arrived at your opinion.
The other 20% are Buddhist (
Never use less than brackets! LOL! Half my post disappeared. All the 1% are really less than 1%.
The other 20% are Buddhist (1%), Hindu (1%), Muslim (1%), Native American (1%), New Age (1%) and Atheist (16%).
Go atheists!
The increase in atheists provides some evidence of increased rationality in the USA.
Here, Met, while I’m looking for the “Biblical Prophesy with Israel in Charge of the World as an Imperial Power,” chew on this.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/north7.html
I’ve never seen this link or this group before.
And it’ll make your hair stand on end, if you’re in Israel. And it will probably validate some of the anti-American vitriol you’ve been posting lately – my bad, hey – you can prove anything using the internet, can’t you?
Vlad was the one who suggested Israel in charge of the world and the Christians raptured out – earlier tonight. You got a link for Met, Vald?
OK, I’m hunting for it, Met.
I’m messing up the statistics. Best just go to the link and look at the list. It is not 16% atheist. It is 16% “unaffiliated” … Here is the link:
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports
SHIVER me timbers, Vladdie, me boy, this ship, she’s goin down, Vladdie, she’s goin DOWN!
you can prove anything using the internet, can’t you?
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If that is true, Procon (and I don’t believe it is), then you shouldn’t have any trouble providing Met with the link he requested.
I think Mika may have a point; I’m not sure America should stay away from Israel, but it’s possibly the correct course. I believe Israel can take care of itself in that part of the world. A large part of the modern enmity between Arab and Jew was caused by the West’s interference in the ME 90 years ago after the fall of the Ottoman empire. Much of the strife was because of the weird partitioning of countries in the early 1920’s. Countries were created without regard to tribal and historical considerations.
It doesn’t make any difference as to what Israel wants to do with Iran – it’s America’s decision, unless Israel decides to act unilaterally, which I hope never happens. With the political factions in power in America now, the odds are 50-50 we’ll go to war with Iran. The first strategy we ought to take in the ME is to get the hell out of it and see what happens. And if nothing happens, our strategy should be to remain out of it. But unfortunately the American government is not honorable or trustworthy, so probably there will be hidden American machinations in the area.
Metuselah said: “If you wish me to continue conversating with you, you better provide me the link to that “Biblical Prophesy” you spoke of and how you arrived at your opinion. ”
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Quick, Procon, hop to it, or your ridiculous unfounded statement will be seen for what it is: an impediment to conversation. Welcome to the RI club.
I assume Vlad is around my age (DOB 1968) and thus still able to be taught by nuns, depending on where he lived. The rural areas were, Thank God, far behind the urban areas and we didn’t really have the 60s until the 70s. I was still taking Home Ec and learning how to cook and sew, although I already knew how. Vlad, you need to consider a nice Catholic girl or one of the Amish women who tend to be very pretty, but with thick ankles. We all had hope chests and worked hard to fill them. We thought of a husband and children as wonderful prizes and none of us became feminists. Am sure it was very uncomfortable for the women who didn’t feel that way, but I can’t think of any in our class.
For the trogladyte who told me I must be “hot”, yes I was. There’s nothing much more powerful than lots of blond hair and big boobs. It opened a lot of doors for me, but it was brains that made me what I am today. Also, for the person, one of my enemies I think, who butchered the story I was telling, it was I who was fending off the blacks in the grocery aisle. My husband would have been there in an instant, but I didn’t want him to get in trouble for mixing it up with a sacred minority. The five-year old girl must have been my granddaughter although I don’t remember mentioning her. Am pushing middle age pretty hard, and while the hair, the bosom and the courage are still there, it’s getting scary, which is the point of the story, obviously lost to the reader.
For the other persecutor who said that being German Catholic was as wretched as any other group, we recycle, compost and when we pee, it turns to holy water which makes our ground so good. Vlad will understand this, but I doubt if you do. Talk about reading comprehension!
Did anyone pay attention to the observation on the wierd phenomenon of inserting the word “Trick”, “Secret” or the product being offered by a “Mom” in internet ads. I just noticed it a few months ago and think it is indicative of a rather strained culture where no one trusts anyone else.
Also, I think Vatican II sucked and I still wear a mantilla to mass and cook fish on Friday. The ritual has always been beautiful and I think most people need rules and a sense of magic to feel safe. Probably need some form of religion to feel safe, as well, but I don’t want to open a new can of worms. Although two years of Latin certainly helped with my double major of English and History. I went into Nursing as a adult, luckily choosing something more valuable. Still want to be a geologist. If any of you end up in my hospital, you’ll get the best of care, especially Vlad and Loveday.
Rationality? We don’ need no stinking rationality! Haven’t we always been crazy, and then we ended up #1?
[sarcasm off]
OK, Met, that wasn’t that hard to find, after all.
And I’ll apologize for the long excerpt, for those of you who hate this religious shst on CFN, but here it is, anyway.
And the takeaway for you, Met, is not that I managed to find a religious link to validate my statement in 1.5 minutes – NO, the takeaway is to let you and your countrymen in Israel know that this religious stuff exists in the Heartland of American like white on rice – and that you can prove almost ANYTHING with it.
In a way, I’m totally envious of you, Met, and you, BTB – since you have declared yourselves Atheist, thus rising above the whole Christ/AntiChrist/Rapture – fun/to/come. That is, if one believes in that sort of thing, of course.
Here’s the link:
“When God destroys all of Israel’s enemies, they will again rebuild their Temple. The tribulation period could start at anytime just after this attack, but I believe their maybe a period of time that could pass before it begins. It may be as little as a few days, months or even years. I lean toward a gap of several years mainly because I believe it will give the world a chance to get back to normal and forget about the rapture and the Russian-Israeli war. It also seems logical that this would be a good time to place the seven years that the Jews will burn the weapons as fuel of the invading Russian armies spoken of in Ezekiel 39:9-10.
After this battle, Israel will be seen as a major world power and a force to be reckoned with. With all of their enemies defeated, no one will oppose them.”
http://www.calvaryprophecy.com/q441.html
1968? Jeez, you’re my daughter’s age. And I thought you were much older. My bad.
I went to college in Cleveland in the 60’s. Clevelanders were way too conservative for me, but that’s ok, after all I come from a very liberal area and everyone’s different. Clevelanders were ok people, though.
For Vlad, this beautiful photo
OK, Met, that wasn’t that hard to find, after all.
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What is this nonsense?
Where is biblical passage that YOU asserted “[if] fulfilled, then the land of Israel will be in charge of all the Earth.”
I want the biblical passage and verse and how you came to interpret this thus.
LOL! Here’s another one for Vladik
From Tel Aviv:
– http://goo.gl/u8JKe
invading Russian armies spoken of in Ezekiel 39:9-10
Russian armies are not referenced in that Vatican propaganda you cited.
Israel in Charge of the World
Is not the same as: “After this battle, Israel will be seen as a major world power ”
When God destroys all of Israel’s enemies
So Israel is not doing shit. God is the actor, not Israel.
You failed to provide evidence, Procon. Or the internet failed you, depending on how you want to look at it.
Met,
This is as close as I’m going to get tonight, I’m going to bed after this. And I didn’t say “biblical passage,” ya’ dumass; I said “biblical prophesy.” Those are two totally different things.
Do check out Ezekiel 39:9-10, however, upon which this “prophesy” is supposed to be based.
“After this battle, Israel will be seen as a major world power and a force to be reckoned with. With all of their enemies defeated, no one will oppose them.” -calvaryProphesy . com-
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Vlad brought this up, tonight. It sounded logical, and he usually gets his scripture, etc. pretty close to correct. So I picked up on it and went with it without checking first.
This is all WAY tangential to our earlier discussion, and in no way negates my larger points. If you and asoka. want to keep on chasing this rabbit – and Vlad doesn’t want to cough up a better ImperialIsrael link – then I’ll see what I can do tomorrow, sometime.
Or, maybe we’ll say that you and a.. are better Talmudic Bible scholars than I – and put that in the CFN record books that way.
‘night.
And I didn’t say “biblical passage,” ya’ dumass; I said “biblical prophesy.” Those are two totally different things.
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You calling a dumb ass? How the fsck do you get a biblical prophesy if you you don’t have a biblical passage?
As to your Ezekiel 39:9-10
“Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up–the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel.” – New International Version (©1984)
Now, what the fsck does this passage have to with anything that you asserted above?
While you’re hunting, and since you think the internet can prove anything, I’d like to see what number is the square root of a negative one (-1).
That number should be there somewhere on the internet, right?
You can prove anything with the internet, according to Procon, even that negative numbers have a square root.
OK, Bill, one more post before this gets cold, and then I swear I’m done for the night – without looking at the thread again.
“It doesn’t make any difference as to what Israel wants to do with Iran – it’s America’s decision, unless Israel decides to act unilaterally”
-btb-
Bill – I’ve got to say that the perception is building in the Homeland, that the potential/looming attack on Iran is at the behest of Israel. That may not be at all valid, but that’s the perception that I see growing.
What were we doing in Iraq, anyway? Israel is an important partner to the US, right? The US is thousands of miles away and SOMEBODY LOOK AT A GODDAM’ MAP – because Israel is RIGHT THERE, dealing with the fallout (no pun intended, seriously) of US decisions and actions.
So – If this thing is not going down at the request of one or another Jewish or Israeli lobbies – – then what would be the harm of a loud DECLARATION, from an important US Jewish group – to the effect that, “It is not in the best interest of Israel – that Iran be attacked.”
At least you guys could say that you did what you could to stop the madness.
And your, collective, consciences could be a little bit clearer – going forward.
Just a thought.
Now, I’m done for the night.
Yeah I used to go listen to the Vespers at an Episcopal “Monastary” in Cambridge, Ma. The guys almost all seemed gay and one started making eyes at me.
The more sophisticated, the more worldly, the less spiritual. I love the simplicity of the Orthodox, their literalness. But not stupidity: they are big readers and have the Fathers, the Philokalia etc. Not all stupid or easy reading.
Laurence of Arabia became “Aircraftsman Shaw” and his spiritual discipline was taking orders from idiots. He found it very relaxing – such was his detachment.
It’s a deep question and the Orthodox understand it. One of their Saints in Roman times was the head of a Monastary, lots of prestige, good food, pressures of running it, meeting dignitaries etc. He realized it was all bullshit considering what his original aim was. So he renounced renunciation and became a bum living on the beach. When he was able to beg a bit of money, he would gamble in the casino. He told everyone he had failed as a monk – but his life had become more ascetic than ever before. Any money he won he gave to those more unfortunate than himself.
And of course they have the Fools for Christ to whom all are equal. People automatically size up who is important in every situation. The Fool for Christ will ignore this logic and treat the most humble as the most important at times. They will criticize Bishops in front of his priests. The proof of their validity? As hard as they are on others, they are harder on themselves.
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There is a minority of the Orthodox Jews who do not accept the State of Israel: to them, going back to the Holy Land was to be a Supernatural Event not the result of political machinations like the Balfour Declaration. It’s quite a thing to watch them as I did at one Israeli Independence March. They make alot of noise and the other Jews can’t stand them.
I was a little hard on the Zionist Christians. Remember, they feel that the Jews are going to awaken en masse and see the Anti-Christ for what he is. So they will then be Christians and will begin to evangelize the remaining people of the world. This is all after true Christians have been “taken out”.
Remember Cindy Sheehan, the anti-war mom? She was shut out by the media when she started talking about the Neo Cons and the PNAC – Project for a New American Century: a plan to destabilize Islam for the good of Israel and I suppose American Oil. And of course, Haliburton etc. This plan was written by American Jews. It’s online – google it and be amazed.
Scroll down the page here and listen to what General Wesley Clark heard after 9/11: a list of seven Arab Countries they were going to take down. As you know, Iraq was totally spurious for reason given – but who says that was the real reason? It’s on the list.
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/5-minutes-to-self-immolation-of-the-israeli-empire/
According to Haaretz (Jan. 28, 2012), in their annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion poll, 36% of self-described adult Jews are opposed to an attack on Iran.
Not such a small number 36 … and such a prominent Jewish publication, Haaretz.
Mazel Tov.
I’ll let Met tell us if Haaretz is really Vatican controlled.
Sign Of The Times….
Antioch U [Ohio Branch] is offering Free tuition..
schools gone broke anyway.
AIPAC should be forced to register as a foreign lobby. Nor should dual citizens, Israeli or otherwise, have high appointed positions in our foreign policy sector.
If I were Jewish, I’d be asking God to pick some other group as the “Chosen People”. Their history has been appallingly painful, from Medieval Europe to the Holocaust. The US has been depending on Israel to do its dirty work for decades and you have to admit they’re efficient. I would also tell Obama to go fuck himself since he’s also depending on them to straighten out the mess (the constant mess) over there. I want our troops back home as soon as possible. Another Obama lie.
Am unfamiliar with the Jesuit plots, and I’m a Catholic. It’s true that the Cardinal Wolsey type prelate was an abomination, but hundreds more monks and priests sheltered and fed the poor in northern England. They were murdered for their trouble. I liked our nuns, although they were demanding teachers, and as far as I know, none of our priests have been pedophiles. Maybe we’re just lucky, or maybe we were blessed to have truly godly leaders. (For fun, watch “Two Mules for Sister Sarah”….)
Yeah Asoka,
We are all in this together, it’s a global problem etc.
Sorry pal, you want localism when it suits you and globalism when it conforms to your worldview.
Sealing the Mexican border would help poor Americans, give us more and cheaper housing, used cars, welfare and other social benefits. It would also
help to overthrow the corrupt dictatorships of the oligarchs in Central America as they would not be able to export their problems to us.
As a bonus, it would eliminate the distractions of
hyphenated Americanism and leave the 1% to face the wrath of our own people without the presence of yet another “community” that always seems to be represented by people like you that not only profit from them but also feel entitled to speak for them.
Americans are on to the folly of the open border, self loathers that have contributed to the downfall of our unions, our Middle Class and our authentic communities.
Right,
Real Americans are supposed to go to Walmart and Target and buy new stuff. Reading comprehension much?
Cleveland is nothing like the area in which we live. Have you ever been to northwest Ohio? It’s about a century behind, but if Cleveland bored you, you’d be in a coma here.
As for age, I feel a lot older. Glad I sound so mature!
dipshit…i can tell what the square root of -1 is: i…did you not attend school, or what?!
Start here for the PNAC and their long term plan to conquer the Mideast starting with some kind of “Pearl Harbor” event.
http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm
I once was in rural West Central Ohio for a couple of days. The people were nice but huge. Didn’t see one really attractive woman during those days. Old England was supposed to be like that too – one town full of beauties and the next one over, nuthin.
Tried the SSPX but the people were very alien to me and not at all friendly – like zombies stuck in 50’s time warp. I think the feeling of persecution (not imagined but real) has twisted them in some way. But they are very pius and devout. I respect them and Bishop Lefebvre alot but I can’t be part of it. Perhaps like Moses and Marc, I can’t enter into the Promised Land – the Weight of Glory and my Aversion too heavy.
This was allegedly the movement Mel Gibson tried to encourage. Where on earth did you go? Carey had one or two attempts, but none in our parish. At least you know what I’m talking about, which is so refreshing. Maybe a less radical movement would be more palatable. Actually, they tend to be dead. Ohio has a few Pentacostal churches, one service of which I attended as a guest and felt like I was on hallucigenics. What on earth does “Slain in the Spirit” mean. They even had “catchers” there, although they only caught the pretty women. The older ones were left to fall and recover as best they could. The entire time, the big percolator at the back was going pockata-pockata-pockata in a nomal fashion. It was a surreal experience. AT least you try, Vlad.
Metusaleh said:
They are not my supporters. I think I made it very clear that I’m an anti-theist. Furthermore, I also made it very clear that I’m an anti-imperialist. You want to be my supporter, them are the conditions.
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No. You’re anti-everybody because you dehumanize every person that doesn’t agree with 100% of every contention you make on every conceivable subject. With people like you, it doesn’t matter what you believe or what they believe because you’re all about playing a DOMINANCE/SUBMISSION game where you insist that you are the dominant.
The vast majority of your posts show that you aren’t interested in a “you and me” universe. You’re just interested in a “you OR me” universe.
E.
Yes born agains speak a different language, a strange one. Now obviously some of them have real experiences of grace. I mean if you feel life is meaningless and in desperation you open the Bible it’s not unlikely something will happen. So far so good. But then they think that’s the end instead of the begining. And they adopt a pre-fab spiritual persona and mentality and start looking for people to get to join the cult. I mean they’re saved and can do no wrong.
Mention you’re Catholic and you’re on the shit list. The bigotry is as strong as ever in many places – the last acceptable form, commendable even. Some of these folks could have a nice Catholic bashing session with the ACLU.
They are “a people who shall dwell alone” to quote the Bible and the title of one of Professor MacDonald’s books about the Jews.
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The Laws of Indentity and Non Contradiction are Impossible
Uh, oh, here we go again. I know, you will all say but you are using those laws to demonstrate that they are not true: but we always use things as though they were outside of themselves to pretend that they are false, eveything is outside of itself and disjoint, everything is using itself outside of itself to contradict itself and such (add as much confusion as possible, the confusion and vague mode of thought will set you free), everything is the outside looking in and using itself, or better instances of itself as distinct entitites, etc. (and the imporant thing is only if the block of text, the sequeuce of symbols “makes you feel good”, as if “you have achieved” and “won”, and you force it, just win and feel good, just do it, ignore all the clowns who want to contradict you, they are jealous and envious that you have won and feel good (and we can even just feel good independent of any sequence of symbols, just because, for fun, and then associate that feeling with any sequence and make yourself win and feel better ever more as in pure delusion of self, ever more pure delusion, lie, as in lying to yourself, illusions will set you free, ever more illusions..)).
If something is always different from other entitites and distinct then nothing could possibly exist because all entities would have to be ever different and not even separate space or points in time could cancel the fact that at least something, somewhere must be pure contradiction acheived, must deny and contradict the laws of identity: if you take the limit of any entity as space and time and any other properties tend towards zero and consider all of its constituent parts as those limits tend to zero, as the constituents become ever more smaller, but always distinct, you would reach a point of the entity simply vanishing since it could not support the rule of identity past a certain point, it would have to be a pure monolithic slab of contradiction and identity denied in order to simply exist, the algortihm and computer program of the law of identity and non contradiction must abruptly end in order for it to even exist, the monolithic slab of pure contradiction would have to be a distinct, disjoint delimited section of existence somewhat analogous to the limits of the observable universe, to a black hole event horizon and such, it would have to be a kind of reference point against which the rest of the ensemble of existing entites would compare themselves in order to exist, it would have to be a point zero in a reference system of reciprocal definitions…
But this slab of pure contradiction isn’t in any point of space or time, isn’t anywhere, but exactly for this is everywhere in a sense, of course, the abstractions and denotations continue to be ever harder to comprehend for our puny mind, but the sense of all is pure contradiction, pure non identity, all is the opposite of itself, all is a contradiction of its own existence, the laws of identity and non contradiction are the greatest lie and hoax in history, are totally impossible and crazy. There. I said it.
Now go on, and say I am wrong, go on and don’t make me win, but I win always, I win! I win! there, go away cray babies, I win! I win!
OK, so now you are my girlfriend. You must have ph*kd a lot, Wow! all those kids, and hot, wow! and me nothing, zero, I haven’t had a boner in 20 years, and I am angry with rage against all you hot ladies ph*kng, pl*yng with yourself, your pleasure is killing me, the more pleasure all of these hot girls obtain, the more I am in rage and angry and hysterical against all of that!(and the husbands and everyone!) KIll KIl please Kill all, nuke all.
Please when you got to church tell them to kill all, they are all killing me, please, mommy, please, don’t beat me up again, please I will be good, please….
AN APE
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So,now that the Laws of Identity and Non Contradiction have been totally refuted, have been finally demonstrated to be false, we can finally solve all of the “Unresolved Internal Conflicts” Reality (and Man Brains, especially) have: we can now invent all and have fun, we can transform reality into what we want it to be, no longer slaves of logic, and fixed circuits, now we are finally free, free your mind, you are free, God has finally set you free.
THis implies that making things up, saying lies, all kinds of lies is the truth, lies are all true now, you are allowed to SAY THINGS WHICH ARE NOT TRUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BECOME THE BOSS OF REALITY, YOU HAVE BECOME YOUR OWN BOSS!!!
PLease, tell me lies, please lets create a new fake reality full of lies, please all lie, lie forever, make it pretty, make it better, I don’t care if it is true or false, just lie and make it pretty, pretty please, will you ?
And Jesus Speaks to Little Childrern and
BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
And Jesus Speaks to Little Children and
BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Some of these folks could have a nice Catholic bashing session with the ACLU.
Michael Gerson, an op-ed writer for The Washington Post, penned a particularly troubling piece, accusing the Obama administration—and the ACLU—of anti-Catholic bias, because “the conscience protections of Catholics are under assault.”
The “conscience protections” he mentions are really a license for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, powerful lobbyists whose political agenda differs from lay Catholics sitting in the pews, who contracted with the government to provide services to victims of trafficking, to refuse to provide access to one set of critical services—the full range of reproductive health care, which includes contraception and abortion.
As Florrie Burke, a woman who provided services to trafficking victims under the bishops’ contract, explained in a great response to Gerson’s op-ed, survivors often pleaded with her to help them get contraceptive aid. This is because trafficking victims are often raped and assaulted, and many have contracted STIs or may have experienced unintended pregnancies. Yet, Florrie was prohibited under the contract from helping these women gain access to condoms or birth control.
Although the case has not yet been resolved, the government’s contract with the bishops expired (it was not “abruptly ended” as Gerson claimed). The government put out an announcement for an entirely new contract. And in recognizing their particular health needs, the announcement explained the importance for trafficking victims to have access to the full range of reproductive health care services and provided a preference in bidding to organizations that provide access to all of these services. Several organizations applied for funding, and the bishops were not chosen.
So, is prioritizing the needs of those who’ve experienced modern-day slavery really “anti-Catholic”?
ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program
Paul and Santorum need to drop out of the race. Neither has a chance of winning and they are splitting the anti-Romney vote. By staying in the race they are helping Romney, the Massachusetts liberal.
Sorry pal, you want localism when it suits you and globalism when it conforms to your worldview.
Duh.
Think globally, act locally.
That has suited me for the last 40 years.
I agree with you that Vatican II sucked. I taught with the Sisters of Notre Dame during the early ’80s for two years after getting out of the navy during the recession then. They were still wearing habits at that time. I used to attend the tridentine latin mass at Immaculate Conception parish in east Cleveland. The celebrant was the Latin teacher from Benedictine High School. Subsequently I j0ined the Benedictines but left after eight months.
The Episcopal monastery Vlad mentions also interviewed me for admission in Cambridge, Massachusetts on the banks of the Charles River. They are the oldest Anglican order and formally called the Society of St. John the Evangelist. Informally they’re called the Cowley Fathers, after the suburb of Oxford, England where the Morris automobile plant was located which produced the Morris Minor. They were Anglo- Catholic missionaries who worked in depressed areas populated by “unchurched” people such as the east end of London. Their liturgies are at least as elaborate as those of the Catholics, if not even more so, similar to Greek Orthodox almost. They have an Italian renaissance triptich behind one of the side altars which is so valuable that it must be guarded by an alarm system for all you art thieves out there. I found them quite standoffish with the exception of one elderly English priest who was really nice and said the Germans weren’t entirely responsible for the world wars. Like many Episcopalians I have a German surname of Hessian origin. They send their laybrothers to Harvard Divinity even though the Episcopal Divinity School of Massachusetts is nearby. One of their priests, a guy named Shaw, was elected bishop of Massachusetts.
Cleveland was not “behind” during the late ‘sixties to early ‘seventies but had much freakiness in evidence especially at the numerous rock concerts at public auditorium.
I got away from Christianity in favor of Zen Buddhism because I think that Xianity is dualistic. I also don’t like how in western religions god is seen as being over there and alien and other. In Zen everyone has buddha nature including even animals. See you all later as I must leave for work now. And yes Julietta you sound like a smoking hot babe as they say with your blond hair and bodacious tatas even if you are now middle aged having been born in ’68. Once toured the Airstream plant near Lima, Oh near you.
Doesn’t matter The money is coming from her own acct.
I have decided it does matter. It may be coming from her account, after being deposited there by her husband.
He (not they) has a relationship with Newt.
He (not they) made the billions.
He (not they) is giving the money to Newt.
No way she is going to be giving millions of her money to Newt. She is a physician specializing in addiction treatment, which does lead to becoming a billionaire.
I decided not to quit while I was ahead. I have decided facts matter. Her account is a financial fiction. She did not earn the money in that account.
My Q-like correction stands.
Casino Royale
What befits a quick fix country most?
On Dylan Ratigan yesterday was a debate about how to bring jobs back to Florida, a state which suffered massive lay-offs and was a one of the hardest hit states in the mortgage crisis.
The issue of building casinos to stimulate the economy is an interesting one. Developers are suggesting $6 billion for 3 casinos. Those who want this are pointing out all the jobs that this would create, but when you examine the issue, its about the very kind of economy that is ultimately destructive to the culture and environment. It’s another money sucking boondoggle as time goes on.
1. Investment by the wealthy and government to create low-wage jobs that could actually put smaller business out of business. Hurts the local community.
2. Creating the illusion of easy money instead of earned money. As for employment, after 2 years there are 2 jobs lost for every one created, statistically. Unemployment goes up 50% and crime rates soar.
3. Most importantly of all, further destruction of vertical and horizontal support for a manufacturing base which may take longer to build, but would in fact be far more productive and would also create value to the local community and ultimately the country. It would also include employing engineers which are a disappearing breed in this country.
We are observing the destructive aspects of globalism and the out of control monetarism of casino behavior with no money to back the bets around the world.
The future of this is that the US, as just another a trade zone would not be able to produce on its own, as the know-how will be lost.
Sure you can import cheap engineers from India, but the Can-do country will be reduced to the we can’t do anything anymore society.
Now, not to harp on the issue of Adelson, but he is the 16th richest man in the world. He and his wife who have made separate contributions to buy an election are using Neocon Newt as their chessboard piece.
(Now, I won’t fight that this could just be a technicality, Asoka, but that’s how they are contributing, so its 2 people, even if just symbolically.)
Since money is everything, a few individuals want to shape the world for their vision thing. (that statement incl. the Koch brothers)
There are at least 2 issues on Adelson’s agenda that I can think of.
1. War with Iran
2. Issues concerning paving the way for easy development of more casinos in more states.
From:
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There is a simpler way to refute and demolish the laws of Identity and Non Contradiction: In order to state them, their opposite must exist, they must be compared to what their reciprocal would state, they must create their own existence by measuring themselves (and being measured by other entities and Other Observers ) against what they would mean if they weren’t true. But since all Metaphysical Items and Entities have existence because they are independent of any kinds of constraints, those laws are false.
You say to lived in a commune. That’s really interesting. I’ve never run into anyone who’s lived in one. I don’t mean to be nosy but what kind of commune?
Correction: you say to lived in a commune
should be
you say you lived in a commune
LB,
We’re doing things like building casinos in lieu of building things that supply vital goods or services because of many factors. Firstly, our young people have largely lost skills involving doing things with your hands. The average tool and die worker in the USA is 58 years old.
Do you remember the King Crimson song “Twentieth Century Schizoid Man”? Now it looks like prophecy because the essence of schizophrenia is the divorcing of the mind from physical and social reality. Kids divorce themselves from even the reality of their bodies by staying indoors and playing on Xboxes/Playstations or watching TV or playing Dungeons and Dragons types of games on a computer screen.
American adults have gone whole hog for garbage like Facebook which produces false/shallow “friends” and more inducements to stay behind screens. By the way, I just deleted my Facebook account and I exhort others to follow suit since it not only encourages fake “socializing” but it’s the NSA’s number one source of data via semantic analysis of its pages.
We now have shorter memories, as a people, than Alzheimers patients. Remember when MySpace was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now it’s almost defunct. Facebook is one of the greatest, most-hyped NOTHINGS of all time but I’m sure that their IPO will succeed. We learned NOTHING about ourselves, our greed, and our schizoid notions of reality from the late ’90s and history will dispassionately deal us our deserved fate as it always has and always will.
E.
“According to Haaretz (Jan. 28, 2012), in their annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion poll, 36% of self-described adult Jews are opposed to an attack on Iran.”
Their leaders lie to them and our leaders lie to us. The common people are tired of war, it is the liars and those who believe them who are causing the suffering.
An excerpt from, “Boots on the Internet Neck”:
…Then, at 4 o’clock on the dot, K– arose from the cheap, pressboard computer desk, punched the timeclock, swiped his security card at the airlock, said, “Mornin'” to the incoming shift of keyboard warriors, and planting a very wet kiss on the colonel’s exposed, hairy ass, made his way into the creeping chill of an oncoming dawn, his assigned trailer and his bunk…
Further details just after noon! Stay tuned. ;o)
“The issue of building casinos to stimulate the economy is an interesting one. Developers are suggesting $6 billion for 3 casinos. Those who want this are pointing out all the jobs that this would create, but when you examine the issue, its about the very kind of economy that is ultimately destructive to the culture and environment. It’s another money sucking boondoggle as time goes on.” -LB
I tend to lump the “casinos for prosperity” theme in there with sports stadium building (on the public’s dime, of course). Talk about a “misallocation of resources”! Keeee-riced.
There was a casino proposal for Holyoke, MA that just went down in flames (wish I was a fly on the wall for THOSE back-room discussions). That now puts all the rest of the W. MA towns in the sights of these vampires. Who will fall for the talking points (or the graft), and invite the rot of the undead into their residence? (They have to be invited, you know.)
Hey, trust issues are EASILY alleviated by reckless gambling and impoverishment, are they not?
our young people have largely lost skills involving doing things with your hands. The average tool and die worker in the USA is 58 years old. –E.
There was a book that came out back in the late ’90’s about this very issue. That young men were not learning basic tool craft and carpentry skills that could help them get through life. Like so much of classic education, this too is evaporating.
Even I got taught by my father how to do basic carpentry in order to build my stretchers and other armatures in order to create my art during my college years.
I remember thinking what an irony that my parents were paying Syracuse tuition prices toward my BFA in Painting while I learned how to mix clay in a giant dough mixer and used table saws to build things. Sometimes I felt like I was a more physical laborer than a college student.
I would think that they’d try to place a giant gambling establishment near the intersection of routes 90 and 91 to attract marks from CT and NY into the MA web. It’s only practical, BUT it depends on Happy Motoring remaining cheap as the marks get “broker”. Doesn’t sound like a lasting proposition to me.
“Take the money and run, baby, run!” (Politician’s campfire chant.)
Howdy Wage, Per your comment clip: “Yeah, he gave us lip service which hid the big juicy kiss he was giving his corporate sponsors.”
But of course you are correct the current POTUS is just as wholly owned as all are. I was simply amazed that he had stopped genuflecting to the likes of McConnell, Boner et al in public as is his usual wont.
As you have pointed out numerous times the problem in this Earthly Eden which is rapidly approaching an Earthly Hell is too many humans, which I am wont to refer to as, literally, too many “fucking” humans.
You are in favor of a voluntary sterilization program funded by the gommerment limited to the USA. As I have pointed out a number of times I am in favor of a mass sterilization of all human MALES (preferably via chemicals added to drinking water) funded by all Earthly gommerments. Allow natural death rates to reduce the human population to less than a billion. Unfortunately, we need to shed 6 billion, plus, excess humans which means 6*10^9/6*10^7 (human deaths/year) = 100 years, give or take a few, at current death rates. Once the downhill slide begins it is likely that the pace will pick up so in perhaps 50 years or thereabouts the human population would be manageable. Judiciously managed invitro/test tube offspring would need be propagated continuously to maintain a breeding stock. Managed human offspring, “oh no”!
We don’t seem to have any compunctions about managing our eating stock or our wild predatory brethren. Silly me I forgot they are only animals and we are “different”; therefore, it is A OK for any and all humans to reproduce by fucking their brains out and destroy the once beautiful Earth through the avarice of our exponentially increasing numbers. What do I call animals that do such to their living space?
Idiotic fucking humans.
I can hear it now the gears grinding within multitudinous brains; oh dear, would I have been born if humans managed their population? My question to that irrational fear is “how would you know the difference?” If conception is between one of 4-500 eggs and one of millions/billions/trillions of sperm, I’ll leave the obvious conclusion to the reader.
SNAFU
It is not wise to stir the forces of hate. – P2C
Wiser words seldom spoken.
lol
Think maybe a good vocational school might have been a tad cheaper for the construction skills?
…Not to make light of a fine arts degree, but I believe that requires innate talent from the get-go.
When I was in high school, shop class was MANDATORY. I built a few things with my hands that I never knew I had the ability to build because I feared failure!!! I built a tie rack in the shape of a giant key, complete with a key hole and key teeth. It had all kinds of difficult curves, zigzags, and so on. Then I built an ornate stool.
In retrospect, all of things I was “forced” to take in high school, like wood shop and personal typing, have proven to be among the most valuable classes I ever took and yet I dreaded them at the time. These days, fear of failure (like the ubiquitous math-o-phobia) is considered a sufficient reason not to learn and adults are too mentally weak to suffer the grousing of kids and fail to mentor them.
Indeed, “can do” has been replaced by “too afraid to try”. Such fears have existed since the beginning of human social relationships but it’s only been in the last 20 years that we indulge all fears. It’s part of the “contribution” of psychiatry i.e., the idea that aversive states have to be paved over by giving free passes or, worse, pills, to avoid even a scintilla of anxiety.
The paradoxical end result, of course, is that we still have the anxiety and the phobias but now we also have the pills, too.
E.
O,
You’re right about that. I did get many things out of my BFA degree, but for the most part, you have to almost unlearn academics in order to find your own voice as an artist.
The paradoxical end result, of course, is that we still have the anxiety and the phobias but now we also have the pills, too.
E.
…Not to mention the compounding failures, to go along with! How could this plan possibly go wrong?
Hi LB, I never heard of Adelson before. I don’t know much about thim but from wiki it appears he is a self made man. Good or bad? I don’t know but at least he worked for his moola.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson
Not like this public leech. I am not a Judy fan. Someone sent this to me.
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15915
Just a random fact. What is wrong with this picture?
Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than the entire Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
‘Good or bad?’
An Israeli Billionaire funding Newt, with Dual citizenship [I assume hes dual, so many Israelis are]…. bad.
What is wrong with this picture?
Nothing other than the fact that he’s making more than the entire Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
It’s amazing. Do you remember where you found this out?
Hi Rhino, I don’t know if it is true. Just more internet bullshit that people send me. I do know that some of this stuff is true so I am assumeing that they all are. I am gonna use no. 21 someday! Sorry for the long post. Please delete me from the internet. I love Philosophy!
1 Look at your zipper. See the initials YKK? It stands for Yoshida Kogyo Kabushibibaisha, the world’s largest zipper manufacturer.
2 40 percent of McDonald’s profits come from the sales of Happy Meals.
3 315 entries in Webster’s 1996 Dictionary were misspelled.
4 On the average, 12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents daily.
5 Chocolate kills dogs! True, chocolate affects a dog’s heart and nervous system. A few ounces is enough to kill a small sized dog.
6 Ketchup was sold in the 1830’s as a medicine.
7 Leonardo DA Vinci could write with one hand and draw with the other at the same time.
8 Because metal was scarce, the Oscars given out during World War II were made of wood.
9 There are no clocks in Las Vegas gambling casinos.
10 Leonardo DA Vinci invented scissors. Also, it took him 10 years to paint Mona Lisa’s lips.
11 Bruce Lee was so fast that they actually had to slow a film down so you could see his moves. That’s the opposite of the norm.
12 The original name for the butterfly was “flutterby”!
13 By raising your legs slowly and lying on your back, you can’t sink in quicksand.
14 Mosquito repellents don’t repel… They hide you. The spray blocks the mosquito’s sensors so they don’t know you’re there.
15 Dentists recommend that a toothbrush be kept at least six feet away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush.
16 The first product to have a bar code was Wrigley’s gum.
17 Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than the entire Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
18 Marilyn Monroe had six toes on one foot.
19 Adolf Hitler’s mother seriously considered having an abortion but was talked out of it by her doctor.
20 The three most valuable brand names on earth: Marlboro, Coca-Cola, and Budweiser, in that order.
21 To escape the grip of a crocodile’s jaws, prick your fingers into its eyeballs. It will let you go instantly.
22 The average person falls asleep in seven minutes.
23 The “pound” (#) key on your keyboard is called an octothorp.
24 The only domestic animal not mentioned in the Bible is the cat.
25 Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated.
26 The average person’s left hand does 56% of the typing.
27 Dreamt” is the only word in the English language that ends in “MT”.
28 It’s impossible to sneeze with your eyes open.
29 In Chinese, the KFC slogan “finger lickin’ good” comes out as “eat your fingers off”.
30 A cockroach can live for 10 days without a head.
31 We shed 40 pounds of skin a lifetime.
32 Yo-Yos were once used as weapons in the Philippines.
33 Mexico City sinks about 10 inches a year.
34 Brains are more active sleeping than watching TV.
35 Blue is the favorite color of 80 percent of Americans.
36 When a person shakes their head from side to side, he is saying “yes” in Sri Lanka.
37 There are more chickens than people in the world.
38 The thumbnail grows the slowest, and the middle nail grows the fastest.
39 There are more telephones than people in Washington , D.C..
40 The average four year-old child asks over four hundred questions a day.
41 The average person presses the snooze button on their alarm clock three times each morning.
42 The three wealthiest families in the world have more assets than the combined wealth of the forty-eight poorest nations.
43 The first owner of the Marlboro cigarette company died of lung cancer.
44 Intelligent people have more zinc and copper in their hair.
45 The world’s youngest parents were 8 and 9 and lived in China in 1910.
46 Our eyes remain the same size from birth onward, but our noses and ears never stop growing.
47 You burn more calories sleeping than you do watching TV.
48 A person will die from total lack of sleep sooner than from starvation. Death will occur about 10 days without sleep, while starvation takes a few weeks.
49 Chewing gum while peeling onions will keep you from crying.
50 The Mona Lisa has no eyebrows.
51 When the moon is directly overhead, you weigh slightly less.
52 Alexander Graham Bell, the inventor of the telephone, never telephoned his wife or mother because they were both deaf.
53 A psychology student in New York rented out her spare room to a carpenter in order to nag him constantly and study his reactions. After weeks of needling, he snapped and beat her repeatedly with an axe, leaving her mentally retarded
54 “I am.” is the shortest complete sentence in the English language.
55 Colgate faced a big obstacle marketing toothpaste in Spanish speaking countries because Colgate translates into the command “go hang Yourself.”
56 Like fingerprints, everyone’s tongue print is different.
57 “Bookkeeper” is the only word in English language with three consecutive double letters.
58 Right handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left handed people do.
59 The sentence “the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog” uses every Letter in the English language.
60 If the population of China walked past you in single line, the line would never end because of the rate of reproduction.
61 China has more English speakers than the United States.
62 Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell.
63 Each square inch of human skin consists of twenty feet of blood vessels.
64 An average person uses the bathroom 6 times per day.
65 Babies are born with 300 bones, but by adulthood we have only 206 in our bodies.
66 Beards are the fastest growing hairs on the human body. If the average man never trimmed his beard, it would grow to nearly 30 feet long in his Lifetime.
67 According to Genesis 1:20-22, the chicken came before the egg.
68 The longest place name still in use is: Taumatawhakatangihangaoauauotameteaturi- Pukakpikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu – a New Zealand hill.
69 If you leave Tokyo by plane at 7:00am, you will arrive in Honolulu at approximately 4:30pm the previous day.
70 Scientists in Australia ‘s Parkes Observatory thought they had positive proof of alien life, when they began picking up radio-waves from space. However, after investigation, the radio emissions were traced to a Microwave in the building.
71 Wearing headphones for an hour increases the bacteria in your ear 700 times.
72 More than 40,000 parasites and 250 types of bacteria are exchanged during a French kiss.
73 Men can read smaller print than women, but women can hear better.
74 Coca-Cola was originally green.
75 The most common name in the world is Mohammed.
76 The name of all the continents ends with the same letter that they start with.
77 There are two credit cards for every person in the United States.
78 TYPEWRITER is the longest word that can be made using the letters only on one row of the keyboard.
79 Women blink nearly twice as much as men!!
80 You can’t kill yourself by holding your breath.
81 It is impossible to lick your elbow.
82 People say “Bless you” when you sneeze because, when you sneeze, your heart stops for a millisecond. Also, it was believed in olden times that the sneeze expelled an evil spirit
sonofabitch, I just checked my zippers and they do say YKK on them. Crazy Japs must be making a fortune!
Dual citizenship [I assume hes dual, so many Israelis are]…. bad.
Oh, now you say it’s bad.
Where were you when the battle was on for campaign finance reform?
Were you opposing “government regulation”? Were you saying with Rush Limbaugh that “money is free speech”?
Were you supporting those who say government has no business limiting “money/speech” because millionaires/billionaires have a right to spend their money as they see fit?
OK, you won. Now you don’t like the results, that foreigners can buy our corrupt politicians?
RT.
Sure Adelson is self-made. He’s a casino owner.
He makes money on people’s addictions, desperation, since they are not making a decent living.
Why pay taxes when you can just buy congress and your guy in the White House?
The people making the big bucks from globalism feel the same way.
They hover over us looking down, creating war scenarios for their $benefit, while the suckers pay for the wars.
Adelson’s all about the trickle down when all is said and done.
There’s a saying “Don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining”.
And that is the massive disconnect. Poor Americans choose to laminate their self-image upon the celebrity antics of a millionaire athlete rather than acknowledging the plight of workers with whom they share far more common economic ground. The allure and intoxication of a Super Sunday event never fails to divert mass consciousness away from the reality of dire economic prospects. It’s an addiction really, an addiction that drinks from the bottle of delusion and denial in order to escape the reality of a sold-out society that includes the athletes they worship and shower with hard-to-come-by money. Because if they ever sober up from the fantasy and addiction come Monday morning, they will look in the mirror to find not Michael Jordan, but the reflection of Tom Joad. And it’s a reflection that sober people should embrace.
Sheesh. 40,000 parasites and 250 kinds of bacteria? Hmmm…
Think of the volume of body fluids exchanged when you have sex. A pint maybe? No idea.
Bread and circuses.
I wonder when mixed martial arts becomes no holds barred gladiatorial combat. Find guys with nothing to lose except their lives and promise the winner/survivor $2 million? $5 million? $250Gs?
I wonder what the number is that lures someone desperate/despondent/crazy enough. I wonder if we’ll see it in our lifetime.
Hey Buck, So I walked into the firehouse last tuesday and asked how the Patriots did on Sunday. I didn’t really care but that’s all they talk about. The guys looked at me like I had two heads. I did not know who won the game and who would be going to the Super-Duper Bowl! I am so out of touch! I have to pay more attention to the important stuff!Did you know Joe Paterno died?. Who the heck is Joe Paterno and why should I care? What, did he tell people how to play with a leather ball or something? Perhaps he covered up for a child molester. Upright dude!
“He makes money on people’s addictions, desperation, since they are not making a decent living.” -lbend, concerning adelson-
Yeah, lbend, what the hell is wrong with people like that?
I won’t invest a few thousand dollars in Altria, or any other cigarette maker – because I don’t want my paltry pennies associated with a company that feeds off of misery and addiction. (even though they pay a great, steady dividend)
Yet this Aadlson sonofabitch – with all his money due to gambling addiction – buys politicians in an attempt to creat more misery and addiction.
I’ll bet adelson is a Right Wing Authoritarian personality, too. That’s obviously the personality type that is taking over the world’s decision making and wealth creation processes. Where’s Hancock? He’d love this.
Do you love this woman, Bustin ? If you don’t, then fine; her having other partners should be no big deal beyond STD considerations. If you love her, then it’s a different dynamic altogether. As the song goes, sometimes you ‘see the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right’. Well one night I was watching Sons of Anarchy and Jemma made the most astounding, astute observation: “ Men need to own their pussy.”
You’re a man Bustin, and if you love this woman you need to “own her pussy”. I’m sorry to be so crude but that’s just how we’re built deep down inside. When it comes to sex and love we’re nothing but beasts stuck in a perpetual state of Chakra Number One angst. And that is the fly in the ointment. Because we need to own our pussy we become the weaker sex, emotionally speaking. Let’s face it, women are stronger emotionally because they have had to be: They’re the ones left to carry on after sons and husbands fail to return from the war. They’re the ones left to raise offspring who were conceived in a state of rape by barbarian soldiers engaging in the spoils of victory.
To become stronger than a woman you need to become a woman and realize it’s no fun getting fucked by the vicious dick of dishonorable intentions. And if you love this woman and she continues to fuck other men then she is fucking you too: Mind-slicing your affections into a million disparate pieces that are left to utter incoherent phrases such as “Kill, Kill, Kill.”
Gather yourself my man and become a woman. Cut her off and never look back. Nobody does ‘never again‘ better than a woman. So flip your hair, raise a pinkie to the sky and salute the stronger sex before you look away for good.
“Think of the volume of body fluids exchanged when you have sex. A pint maybe? No idea. ”
-rhino-
It’s still worth it, IMO. 😉
I’d never heard of the Bardo until a week or two ago, and here on CFN, no less, DeeJ.
I think I’m trying to get all of that human lustfulness out of my system in this one incarnation – so I can stroll (crawl? walk? run?) through the Bardo and not be interested in the boring sex pictures or activities.
Think that’ll work, dale?
Hi Rhino, I do a thought experiment at work. I ask ” Would you give a guy a blowjob on the town green for a million bucks?” Most of the guys say no. When I up it to 5 million some change their minds. I know a million dollars is not what it used to be, but it is still alot of dough. What do you think? Death matches on TV, go for it. I heard on the radio that one of those stupid shows, I don’t know which one, is going to have people drink donkey piss for a chance to win $10,000 ??
The Horror!
I meant to address this last night, Wage – but I got too busy squabbling with Met and forgot about it.
“The corporate parties simply hire public relations companies to figure out which slogans will appeal to unthinking Americans.” -wage-
Yeah, no doubt about it, Wage. And it looks as though the Republicans are better at this game than are the Democrats. And if your Greens are going to have any success – they better play the game as it exists, and not try to create a Different Game Board. That won’t work.
Sloganeering to win elections is NOT a new thing in USA politics, btw:
“Tippy Canoe and Tyler, too.”
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Speaking of throwing away my vote. I plan to vote for Ron Paul on super Tuesday – by way of making a statement, as much as anything else.
But what if the thing is VERY close between Gingrich and Mittens in Georgia. What if my ONE vote for Paul puts one of these other SOB’s over the top in GA, and then he beats Obama nationally, and then we go to war with Iran, and then the Chinese get involved, and then we accidentally, on purpose?, get nuked, and then we have to nuke the whole world back to the stage of bacteria and simple fungi – USA! USA!
Maybe I better not vote for RP, after all.
Now, do I go with Mittens?
Or do I go with the Amphibian?
It’s a devil’s choice, eh?
It’s still worth it, IMO. 😉
No question about it.
P2C, speaking of newts, I found a red eft in the woodpile today. First time I’ve seen that. It has been unusally warm this winter. We have NO snow here. Strange
My gut reaction is there’s no amount of money that would make me do it.
What about though if it was a death match? Let’s say the winner gets 5 million, the loser loses his life (obviously) but his next of kin get a million dollar pie to divide up. What amount of money would lure you in?
My own gut reaction is forget it, I’m not impaling someone for other people’s entertainment or to make bookies some dough.
But other people have different circumstances ie let’s say you have a kid or a wife with MS or some other disabling disease or cancer and they need treatment desperately and you have no insurance? Then what?
Also the other problem – not only too many, but too many of the wrong kind, the low IQ kind. This article is based on a study done in Denmark. The IQ has already dropped and will continue to do so as the bright have few or no children, the dumb have many or at least replacement levels, and low IQ
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/05/helmuth-nyborg-on-the-genetic-decline-of-western-civilization-denmark-as-a-cast-study/ Islamic minorities swarm in. The average Arab has an IQ of 90 or so as compared with the 100+ of Northern Europe. And of course Black or Indonesian Muslims are even dumber.
Also see the top of the right sidebar – Jewish guy in Manhattan caught painting swastikas. Very common. An agent provacateur, one of many.
Whites flock to Portland despite its low wages. Why? Because of its White Lifestyle. But then they feel guilty because its so White. Luckily there are enough Blacks to cause mayhem and thus absolve them of their sins. When are we going to forgive ourselves and save ourselves from dark skinned barbarians be they Black, Brown, or Muslim?
http://www.vdare.com/articles/portland-s-troubled-whitopia-black-racial-attacks-and-unconscious-victims
Your man Churchill asked the same thing to a woman in a group of people. She said she wouldn’t have sex for a few pounds since “she wasn’t a whore” but might do it for a million. Churchill responded, Madam we have established what you are, now we are just negotiating the price.
I’m a Group W Boy! From my man up the road.
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml
And I went up there, I said, “Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL.” And I started jumpin up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL,” and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”
Here’s the Coffee now wake up: Half of Connecticut’s births are to Hispanics – most of them Puerto Ricans. And because of a large increment of Black genes, they are the lowest kind of Hispanic, very unlike the White Cubans of Florida.
http://amren.com/news/2012/01/teen-births-nearly-half-in-state-are-to-hispanics/
Besides Jim’s blog here and The Automatic Earth, I find Zero Hedge to be a site useful to stimulate a brain cell or two. Since I only have maybe a dozen cells (at most) with any residual electrical impulse I try to refrain from any real complicated thought processes other than the daily ritual of s,s, and shaving. Even so, to conserve one s, I am growing a beard.
I came across a comment on Zero Hedge I thought I’d share with the CF’d Nation, which address an important issue of the current Euro crisis, I call the comment:
Euro-English – A Pathway to a Germanic Future
Here’s the comment from “Paulana” posted on the “ZERO HEDGE’ blogsite:
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as “Euro-English”.
In the first year, “S” will replace the soft “c”. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard “c” will be dropped in favour of “k”. This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome “ph” will be replaced with “f”.. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent “e” in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing “th” with “z” and “w” with “v”.
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary “O” kan be dropd from vords kontaining “ou” and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
L.L.
It did, so I did…
Later, CF’ers
Zank U!
How is your friend Art Deco? You and Rip are amazing: high mesomorphs who reject the bread and circus of football, etc. This is not easy for men of your type. You at least have the muscularity of sculpting to fall back on. But what of Rip? Evidenly serving his fellow man in an action kind of way suffices. It is a good thing – far more noble than being a spectator.
Thanks for that LL.
I too like Zerohedge.
Well I guess that’s the full circle of the Orwellian age we live in. Let’s just call it what it is: Newspeak!
I mean if they can make rules on the degree of acceptable curvature of bananas…
Bustin,
I thought you got married last year? Hope things work out for the good.
SJmom
Could you see Mitt doing a Newt style John King Slapdown?
Looks to me like either will do and say anything to get power. Newt will put on a dress and run as a lesbian if he had to. Mitt would too. Newt would put on lipstick and stare you down but Newt would blush and look away.
Speaking of stupid fucking humans, Newt Gingrich appears to be vying for the top spot in this category. How can a man with a BA, MA and PHD in History be ignorant enough to pull a boner similar to W’s, to transport humans to Mars, and claim that if he is the next POTUS by the end of his term the US will have a permanent human occupied base on the Moon?
The now defunct Space Shuttle Program into which NASA had place all of it’s human carrying capacity, was low Earth orbit capable only. Does any CFNer know of the whereabouts of $3-4 Trillion looking for a good boondoggle program? Back in the early 70’s NASA and the military sold the Space Shuttle to congress with a modest proposal for about 2 launches and recoveries per week. That worked out well for us did it not? Inexpensive also, towards the end of the program, retrofit, launch and recovery was in the realm of $500+ million not including the sunk costs of the Space Shuttles and the solid booster motor casings. Now we are forced to hire the Russians to carry our asses up to the Space Station at nigh onto $50 million per ass which is roughly half what it cost using the Space Shuttle.
Robotic space exploration is orders of magnitude less costly than manned exploration. Anyone who has not noticed the military intensely ramping up the use of robotics to kill folks with? At nearly the cost of a Space Shuttle launch for an F-22 is there any question why?
My fervent wish is that Newt is sitting opposite Barrack at the presidential debates. I know, I know, fat chance.
SNAFU
SJMom, you do know the difference between gender and sex, so it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that, like us, people want congruence.
Your reaction against transgender is interesting.
Every year in a sleepy rural town of 12,000 there is a transgender conference. The townsfolk universally welcome the transgendered persons who attend and extend them hospitality.
You are from an urban area in California and you are intolerant and do not extend hospitality.
Just goes to show that rural America is often more tolerant and liberal than urban America, even more so than urban California.
Their leaders lie to them and our leaders lie to us. The common people are tired of war, it is the liars and those who believe them who are causing the suffering.
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Well said. And probably more insightful than you might imagine. Because exactly the same people that run CNN also run Ha’aretz. Yes, you know who they they are, because they also run the CIA.
If I were Jewish, I’d be asking God to pick some other group as the “Chosen People”.
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That’s exactly what we did. He’s all yours now. Just please, don’t push that disease back on us again.
I meant to address this last night, Wage – but I got too busy squabbling with Met and forgot about it
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No squabbling. You made a couple of assertions and I’m still waiting for you to back them up.
Wage said, “Gosh, (she said modestly) it wasn’t really that hard to figure out… ‘Kill, kill, kill’.”
Implying that male aggression waxes and wanes with sexual fulfillment.
Some say we are living in a time of great peace, compared with the last 500 years or so.
Metusleah said “They are not my supporters. I think I made it very clear that I’m an anti-theist. Furthermore, I also made it very clear that I’m an anti-imperialist. You want to be my supporter, them are the conditions.
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Here is the chorus: “Kill, Kill, Kill”
Ahmadinejad is threatening the Straits of Hormuz because his Johnson is unwaxed.
Obama is ratcheting up secret ops because Michelle isn’t polishing the presidential knob.
As we all know, Clinton was pretty mellow until Gingrich the Great put the hurt on him and the next week he was dropping cruise missiles on aspirin factories in Ethiopia.
SJMom said “I’m mellow on most things…but I stop at transgender. If you want to cross-dress that’s fine…but surgically changing things is wrong.
It’s a sign of narcissism.”
Really, narcissism? Its called gender dysphoria or something. Plenty of people have it. Consider all the women walking around in men’s clothes. Its the men who stand out though- why is that? In my wild days of youth, me and some friends would cross-dress and go out in public. It didn’t take long to attract individuals who looked like they were on steroids to come over and invite us to step outside. But it was all part of the fun.
The important thing to remember is never judge a book by its cover. The 6’3″ dude in drag probably has a thing for little bunnies, tender feelings just like you, etc. because hormone replacement therapy actually turns dudes into dudettes.
Juloetta of OH: “There’s nothing much more powerful than lots of blond hair and big boobs. It opened a lot of doors for me, but it was brains that made me what I am today.”
Smart bombs huh? Thats what my girlfriend has. She’s constantly harassed. Thats why her relationship with me sticks- because all I have to do is appear to be better than all the rest. That isn’t saying (or doing) much.
As for her other boyfriends, well, one doesn’t barge into someone’s life and tell them how to live, or deliver ultimatums. As she processes each one for her own purposes and reasons (who am I to judge?) they hang themselves one by one, disqualifying themselves as they fail to play the game.
As for my feelings, I suppose there is a natural limit to detachment, and the truth is that I could probably walk away with nothing but a small smear of disappointment at this point. But I’m eager to see ol’ “smart bombs” again. The drive to bomb Iran will have to be sustained by others during the next few weeks as she will be back in town again. 🙂
And yes, as I get older I am seeing the correlation between a pleasant afternoon feeding wild birds seed and spending the afternoon listening to the internal thoughts of a woman’s mind rattling around like marbles in a pan. They are both spectator sports, to be engaged in with serene detachment.
Buckstud said “You’re a man Bustin, and if you love this woman you need to “own her pussy”. ”
Well, I am a man, and I don’t own her pussy. I don’t have the time and energy to run full-time pussy management. I just don’t. And the other boyfriends are in other states (actually she is returning from one state and that guy is in the permanent rearview mirror.) It took about 6 months of waiting for the other guys to slash their own throats. All I am doing is playing it cool. The less I pursue, it is true, the more she wonders why I am not striving to own the pussy. In the end I may not be owning but simply getting free pussy which is the goal.
For the avergae dick, the pussy market is filled with undesirables. I cannot imagine renting, let alone owning 99.99% of the pussy that walks by. Indeed, becuase of my situation (committed to a certain place, with certain responsibilities) I cannot go hunting for wild pussy. Even then, the wild pussy usually is infested, gamey, etc.
Last month I thought she might have gotten pregnant. I was relieved that if she were, it wasn’t mine. It was a pivotal moment, when I realized all was well in the world. I am in no particular state of angst, just the low-level common dread of the American male, surrounded by undesirable women, or hypersexualized high-heeled princesses (speaking of SJMOM51’s narcissist).
There should be public ordinances against heels. The clop-clop-clop sound is designed to break a meditative state of concentration and compel one look for the source- usually with disappointing results. It is every bit as socially disruptive as the automobile sub-woofer- worse, in fact for these female telegraphers of sexual power can invade indoor as well as outdoor locations. Of course when the jackhammering offender is a 6’3″ former male with an adams apple in the stall next to you in the ladies’ bathroom, it is an occasion to blab about fashion if one were so open minded.
“Because we need to own our pussy we become the weaker sex, emotionally speaking.”
See, I have no intention of becoming the weaker sex, because I have no intention of ‘owning the pussy’. When she is in town, she is with me. And when she gets here she is going to find it hard to leave, as if there was some strange force-field bubble around the place. She will not have any idea that is her own mind constructing this bubble and she will become increasingly agitated for no discernible reason, like a lid being held on a pot of boiling water, a pressure relieved only by my presence.
When she makes a decision, it is like watching a witch divining the future with chicken bones and spit. I don’t even try to fathom the magnetite particles nudging her intuition hither and thither. I just accept and enjoy whatever comes my way. I can’t fall for the trap of swooning for these fickle creatures. I’m not ready to own I suppose. I rent 🙂
I’m still waiting, too.
Procon said the internet could be used to prove anything.
So, I want to know the web page that shows me the square root of a negative one (or any negative number).
There’s a new initiative to liquify corpses as a way of returning them to the biosphere – or even feeding them to cows. Human Corpses. Next stop, Soylent Green, Soylent Green Station.
Hi Vlad, Is that a compliment or a put-down? Anyway, last week I was at a chimney fire which got into the wall. I was outside with another dude cutting the sheathing off the house with a carbide chainsaw. The flames were blue and green and there was a ton of smoke. We weren’t masked up because we were outside. Only pussies wear masks outside. Anyway the green flames were from pressure treated wood that the guy used. Now I have dreams of carcinoma. HAHA. I retire in 25 days after 32 years. My first Deputy Chief retired at 65 in 1985. He was on a B-24 Liberator and shot down over Germany and became a POW. He died a year after at the age of 66.
Here speakes a Master of the Game – a veritable Magister Ludi. As for me, I prefer feeding the birds with my pants up to my chest. I’m not that old yes, just tired of the brainless featherless female bipeds. Among the Kziniti Cats of Geidi Prime, only the males have intelligence – it makes it so much easier as one doesn’t have to pretend to listen. I go there sometimes at night much as Lovecraft used to go to Kadath. When there, I found myself not always a disembodied observer, but sometimes actually in the body of one of the giant cats – sometimes mating with the conscious but unintelligent females. My yowls and her purrs meet in perfect harmony. Of course, there are the fights with other Toms too. My host hasn’t allowed me to “sit in” on of those yet. Too much fun for him to want to step out I guess.
And he sometimes comes here. He may be responsible for some of the stranger posts here. I’m not sure since our consciousnesses seem to be merging even though separated by light years in space.
I retire in 25 days after 32 years.
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Sweet deal. Congratulations.
I had to work 45 years before I could retire at 62 with minimal social security. But since I had simplified my life and knew I only needed US$1,000 monthly to live, I retired at 62.
But I had to work 13 more years than you.
And you will probably get much more than US$1,000 a month, since you made big bucks doing important work. Enjoy your retirement!
My previous post was for RT
Here you go, a..
Square roots of negatives numbers, proven through the majestic omnipotence of the internet.
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/complex.htm
So there is no number that is the square root of a negative number. And the mighty internet had to admit that.
What there is is an “imaginary” something invented in the head, kind of like we invented the idea of God. Neither exists but that doesn’t prevent people from writing about imaginaries or about God, equally imaginary.
Thanks for the edumacation.
And Mika, since you want to keep chasing this rabbit I’ll let you take it up with Vlad – ’cause I’m out for the rest of the evening.
Here’s what Vlad said that I was referencing when I said the thing about Bible prophesy and the rule of Israel:
“Christians are going to be raptured out and the Jews are going to inherit the Earth to rule with the Jewish Christ on the Throne in Jerusalem.”
-vlad-
Maybe it’s my statement of Israeli “Imperialism” that’s bothering you, in which case I formally withdraw that word from consideration.
In fact, I hereby formally withdraw from this whole Post-Rapture chasing of Israeli rabbits and balancing of Angels on the heads of pins.
Maybe you know more Talmud and Torah than I know Old Testament.
And, if you continue to remain this interested in Christian theology as regards Israel – you can look into “Dispensationalism” which is one area of Bible “prophesy” that is rich with these sorts of predictions, for Israel after the Rapture.
I now formally withdraw from this battle, with my Book of Daniel dog-eared, yet intact.
SJMom51, I am worried about your condition. Just when did you realized you had this problem?
Transphobia is a destructive force in anyone’s life, and it’s important to recognize that you will have to engage in a continuous process of healing to cope with its power. Did you know there are things you can do to help you with your transphobia?
The methods vary from person to person: you may want to find a therapist, talk with friends, spend time with trans people, make art, do yoga, read trans positive books, listen to music by transgendered artists, start a blog, look at trans friendly websites, confide in a partner, or any number of other things. Figure out what works for you and insist on taking the time to do that thing, even if it’s just being alone and quiet for a little while each day. Your needs are always valid.
CORRECTION
SJMom51, I am worried about your condition. Just when did you realize you had this problem?
Transphobia is a destructive force in anyone’s life…
You are so fulla crap.
Arent shows like ‘Total Wipeout’ [British game show] and ‘Smackdown’ dangerous enough?
On youtube search ‘gay chicken game’.
Transphobia is not contagious, antisoak. And Santa Monica is not that close to San Jose, so you can relax.
It is natural to be fearful of what you do not know. I have friends who are transgendered persons. I can assure you,if you would only get to know them, you can cure yourself of your transphobia.
While it comes out as criticism (like SJMom’s charge of “narcissism”), or anger, or hatred, or ridicule (as in the case of WSP7), or simple intolerance, at the root is fear.
With a little effort you can overcome that fear.
I liked your comments about retiring on just $1,000 per month. I’m interested in buying some land then living in a quonset hut to avoid suburban real estate taxes. I’m not into the gentleman farmer thing so much though. I’m thinking 40 acres of wasteland on a gravel road somewhere probably surrounded by fragrant cow turds. Maybe I could bake the cow turds in a solar oven then burn them for fuel?
Hey Ripthunder, I placed an ad in the Yankee Flyer selling a few Tang Sights for a Marlin and a Winchester. I got a text from a guy in Southwick.
Was it you?
P2C, Mika/Mets attitude toward the Vatican and the US is not typical. I’ve never heard my neighbors Israeli relatives say anything bad about our country or the Catholic Church. I think Old Mika might be using a little hyperbole with his over-the-top rhetoric. Some of it is actually kind of funny.
Hey Wage, I want to hear more on your 911 Conspiracy Theory. Whose fault was it again?
–WSP7
Hey Asoka I will be at the FD till I’m 55. I’ve got 32 years on the job. I started at 22 in 1980. I did 31 years on the ambulance . No brag, just fact. (quote Walter Brennan) I have saved lives.Lots of them. My junk drawer overflows. I’m not bragging’ or proud, that was the job. 55 may seem young to you. I have had health problems in the past few years. I’m bailing but I will continue to work. I’m thinking’ solar installations. Life is to live and I want to make the most of what I have left .Family, Friends, Earth, and You!
Yes Congratulations. You have renounced Pro-Sports, not easy when you have to work with “the guys”. This may give you even better karma than the lives you have saved.
Green and blue flames? Sounds beautiful.
Bubble, have you checked out US Steel prefab buildings?
Not exactly the classic quonset hut design, but similar.
Here is a photo:
http://www.us-steel-garage-building.com/gallery/images/residential-steel-building-.jpg
If you are Catholic, they may well be holding back. And how do you think they would feel about “their country” if it stopped supporting Israel? Israel is their real country.
Women don’t want to share bathrooms with these monsters. Stop being a dick.
Why are you always on the side of the under dogs? They aren’t always in the right and the majority or Establishment in the wrong. Remember hows Gays were asked not to give blood by the Red Cross and they refused to honor that? That is the gay mentality: we’re just as good as you (which means better). That’s why they want the right to marry as well.
RT, please don’t take anything I said as envy. I just was trying to say I’m happy for you.
I think you deserve whatever deal you can cut. And considering the kind of work you have been doing, getting out at 55 is well-deserved after 32 years.
Downright humane of the FFD (fuckin’ fire dept.)
“So, I want to know the web page that shows me the square root of a negative one (or any negative number).”
No need for a web page, *MY BROTHAH!!!*
Alternating current proves that negative squares are actually *EXISTENT*, and the power line supplies current (energy?) continuously throughout that 60Hz cycle…
Why are you always on the side of the under dogs?
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Vlad, I don’t think of transgendered persons as “under dogs” … or “monsters” … or “critters”
They are just human beings like you or me, trying to get along, wanting a bit of happiness and acceptance and love.
It is not their fault that God messed up by mixing up their sex and their gender. Must be terrible to be a woman in a man’s body, or a man in a woman’s body. Too bad God cannot be sued for malpractice.
Hey Jim…
I believe that I have found why I enjoy reading you so much.
I’ve been reading you for some time now and so I think that makes me at least partially qualified to make the following statements.
Contrary to what you probably think, it’s not the way you wrap up intricate global and local issues into searingly accurate phrases and words. It’s not the way you toss the world of finance around effortlessly as if it were a plaything without reducing your own credibility. And sadly, it’s not your extensive vocabulary which causes me to think sometimes, “There CAN’T be such a word!”
No, Jim. You know what your gift is? YOUR gift is in individualizing the issues of the day in a way that answers the question, “What does it mean to me?” You might be all about localization in your economic philosophy, but you’re also localized in your thinking and writing.
Maybe it’s my statement of Israeli “Imperialism” that’s bothering you, in which case I formally withdraw that word from consideration.
In fact, I hereby formally withdraw from this whole Post-Rapture chasing of Israeli rabbits and balancing of Angels on the heads of pins.
Maybe you know more Talmud and Torah than I know Old Testament.
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Well, I knew it was a troll and you knew it was a troll, glad to see you’re big enough of a man to admit it.
The Torah is part of the TaNaKh. The Torah (“Teaching”, also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi’im (“Prophets”) and Ketuvim (“Writings”)— hence TaNaKh. Please don’t call it the Old Testament. Call it the Hebrew Bible or the TaNaKh. The Talmud has nothing to do with the Hebrew Bible. The Talmud is a book from Dark Ages (probably written between 400 to 1,000 AD) and it’s basically a collection of anonymous commentary and commentary on the commentary by anonymous commentators. Now you know why I strongly suspect that the Talmud was written by the Vatican. Nobody cares about the Talmud except the Vatican sponsored “Jewish” cults who I refer to as Litvaks. In Israel they are referred to as Haredim. These Haredim/Litvaks are a small number (2-5%) in Israel and they are deeply hated and reviled by the rest of the population, including myself. They are an Anathema to Jews, an Anathema to Israel and an Anathema to the Hebrew Bible.
As to VLAD, leave him out of it. He hasn’t read a single book in his entire life. Everything he spouts is parroted second hand commentary that he plagiarizes from nazi web sites.
P2C, Mika/Mets attitude toward the Vatican and the US is not typical.
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True. Most Israelis have not been exposed to the US to the extent that I have. So they have not had the opportunity to really see things for what they are. They still view the US through Israeli CIA propaganda outlets. Btw, I want to make it clear, my hostility is towards the Vatican and Roman Imperialism, not Catholics in general.
To Rhino;
Zey vil and ve vil eat our bananas like gud little monkeys.
To Vlad;
Out here, in the Southwest, we already have a municiple “water campus” where the effluent is apparently retrained and then introduced back into society via the water supply. Guess that explains why our water tastes like the first “S” I alluded to earlier.
I suppose it’s only a matter of time before the solids will be found at the local deli…I suggest applying liberal amounts of extra ketchup, oops, I meant to say “progressive” to mask the taste of the green ooze. bon appetit!
Cold blooded killaz here tonite! I’ve got my popcorn – this will be a show of force!!!
wild pussy usually is infested, gamey, etc.
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LOL! Try a good cleaning with H2O2 and toothpaste or toothpaste with H2O2. Be careful, some have teeth and they bite. 🙂
Barack charged NASA with the job of making Muslims feel good about their contribution to science. Don’t mention Obama and NASA in the same sentence – his name is a curse to all on the “Space Coast”. Hopefully he’s toast in November. Look into the water – we are the Martians.
Modern Jews are Pharisees – the compilers of the accursed Tradition that later was written down as The Talmud. The rabbis study the Talmud as to the correct understanding of the Torah. Thus the Rabbis and the Talmud are the offical religion of Israel. You know all this and you are lying.
The Talmud is the Law or as Wikipedia says, “a central text in mainstream Judaism” – not some despised little Vatican creation. And as you know, Wikipedia is largely run by the Jew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
Modern Jews are Pharisees
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Modern Jews are atheists. Now fsck off.
If you’re all rational and shit, why are you afraid to write fuck? Are you still afraid of G-d?
You’re a failure as an Atheist. Jews are meant by God to be spiritual.
Fuck off.
Good – you’re growing as a person. First one must be rational and then and only then, can one search for the True God. I am happy to have been able to serve you in this capacity.
Rip,
Good luck in retirement. I left GM in 2006 at 59, time is just flying by. 65 in March. The only thing about leaving this young is that you take a big cut in SS when you file for it. Big 3 retiree’s have to file at 62. I get 1800 a month SS and 2022 from GM. If you are going into another line of work and don’t draw until whatever age you have to work to you will be ok. I would’ve made a lot more if I stayed till 66 but GM wanted to downsize. I had a bunch of buddies who were 18 and hired in right out of high schoolback in ’69 and left in ’99 at 48 with the 30 and out plan. Their SS is way lower then mine.
On a somber note, there were 1238 of us that that retired in 2006. 402 left with me in July. Since then over 50 have passed away. None of us know how many summers we have left. Just enjoy as many as you can.
Good Luck
Too bad God cannot be sued for malpractice
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One of your better comments. And if you ever notice God can’t be sued or summoned into court to testify about the storm damage that the insurance company said was one of his acts. Why is that ?
HE’s got as much immunity as a certain POTUS and his A.G.
Herman Cain Endorses Gingrich
This is a pretty important endorsement.
Sarah Palin is also on the Newt bandwagon.
Cain and Palin bring the Tea Party folks to Newt.
If Newt can get out the word of how LIBERAL Romney is, Romney may lose the Republican nomination.
Neither one of these clowns have what it takes to beat Obama.
And yes, as I get older I am seeing the correlation between a pleasant afternoon feeding wild birds seed and spending the afternoon listening to the internal thoughts of a woman’s mind rattling around like marbles in a pan. They are both spectator sports, to be engaged in with serene detachment
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Great analogy.
I saw a great poster on my cousins facebook page: It was the defination of SLUT : a woman with the morals of a man.
I hope this chic is worth the wait and you don’t end up HIV-positive because of her.
Let Newt win. He’s unelectable because it’s too easy to show what a venal, plutocrat-ass-kissing tool he is. The Democratic machine will dissect Gingrich’s involvement with Freddie Mac and come out with all kinds of doo-doo.
Obama is truly a statesman compared to these would-be tools he might run against.
E.
So Juletta, pray, tell me are there loads of jobs, are there many jobs, even paying well but people simply aren’t willing to “work hard enough” ? Or as the left say, there are simply not that many jobs ?
Are people lazy spoiled brats that don’t even know how to add one plus one or is it that structurally, the system does no create enough work ? What is your experience in you area ?
Just to add on the never ending debate between those who say there are jobs but people suck and those who say there aren’t and people would work…
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several hundred people were following this guy on a speaking tour of colleges around the states, and landed in tn in 70…the main idea was that unless everyone shares available resources, then there will inequality and suffering; and that we belong to mother earth rather than the other way around…my parents joined mainly because my mother had a horrible time giving birth to me in a hospital; she was pregnant again when they heard about the natural home births, and since pop had survived the nam, the whole non-violence thing appealed as well…it lasted as a working commune until 84- my dad was on the farming crew until then, and got into carpentry when we left…with a kid s perspective, it was mostly a great time, and i learned a great deal that i wouldn t have otherwise- mindset, reverence for nature, that sort of thing…i wouldn t trade it for the world; given the dark side, i wouldn t do it again, either…turns out, humans are humans even in a closed system; and i think there was a certain naivete in thinking everyone was there for good reasons- some were only concerned with sexual politics and drugs, and didn t want to work; consequently cliques (ego agreements) and power struggles developed, as is inevitable i figure…i should say there was nothing remotely marxist about us; the closest thing to religion was a sort of zen buddhism, and i at least was left entirely on my own to decide what i believed, when i was old enough to care…something i am profoundly grateful for, btw the place is still there, with a sort of membership structure- i m not familiar with what all exactly went down concerning who might be “in charge”; my only real contact is with a few people my age who live in my general area, and i occasionally attend the annual reunion bash…my feeling is that it was a good thing over all, but that communism really only works in theory- and sadly, that will be the case regardless of accompanying ideology because of human nature and our inherent proclivity for group-think: us and them- you can see it on any scale, from ‘our’ village; ‘our’ state; to ‘our’ country and ‘our’ planet…
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Economic Growth will be low for Many Years…
Why most of the USA, EU and JAPAN are destined to low to zero or negative economic growth for many years in the future no matter what structurally, no matter what economical policies they choose (either left or right no difference):
1) Technology kills more jobs than creates;
2) Hundreds of millions of new workers worlwide available now, China, India Indonesia, etc;
3) saturated markets, the west has bought all it needs, it has already way to much stuff;
4) Resources are strained, Oil is running out, agriculture strained, etc.
5) No new big technology novelties that can create many jobs;
6) Population is higher and higher, too many people for too little wealth;
7) Green ideology and evironmentalists kill developments and possible growth (against, skyscrapers, high speed trains, etc.);
8) Environment is strained, pollution and such;
9) Much older population, too old to work, old people not good enough for technology;
10) Accumulation of debts, too many pensions to pay, etc.;
11) Competition kills a lot of jobs in a lot of places, like Germany is the winner take all in cars, Spain and Greece can’t build their own BMWs or Mercedes models, they are not good enough or smart enough or “work hard” enough whatever.
Thanks for that link. I’ve been looking at Pioneer Steel Buildings from Toronto, Ontario which come in five different roof shapes including arch shaped like regular Q huts. I’ve finally realized I’m lazy and that I should have a contractor put one of these up instead of converting building materials into junk myself.
External costs? Who gives a sh!t about the forests, the water table/aquifers, the rivers, the oceans.
Let’s just call this thang what it is – external *PROFITS*. That’s much more inline with the CDO/CDS’s at 1.4 quadrillion $$$, that are nothing more, than printing-press money based on excessive debt and toxic assets.
Does anyone give a sh!t anymore, about the things that sustain our lives? The things that produce our oxygen? Guess not – who’s afraid of living underground, in caves. (rhetorical, of course)
Speedy reply! Do those Tejicans/clearcut Brazilians *NOT* accept you *KINDLY*?!?
Drunken bastard want to *KNOW*!!!
How can Making Mr. Right be so wrong
Back in 1987 I saw a science fiction comic movie staring John Malkovich and Ann Magnuson about building the perfect man. It was called Making Mr. Right. He was built to date a single woman looking for the man of her dreams.
When I see Willard Romney, I see that robot who seems perfect for what you would imagine for the US presidency. What’s there not to like?
Isn’t he just the bomb? Tall dark and handsome and rich–Oh my.
Isn’t that what we’re all looking for as the leader of the free world. BTW after the Soviet Union feel and China is the super capitalist, why do we still refer to PODUS that way?
Well, he’ll tailor all his ideas around what people want him to be, making him seem like your perfect man in the White House.
He was once a moderate Republican but that was an endangered critter and went into extinction in the early 2000’s.
The remaining ones had to go in for reprogramming and are tutored in the world of magic words by Frank Luntz. Now when they say something they are right because they say so emphatically and there’s nothing like emphatic to change reality.
Yes, indeed he will create millions of jobs. Look at the amazing business experience he has creating sausage out of “failing” companies. These companies needed to be sliced, diced and siphoned for value.
Bain Capital made giant money while workers got laid-off. He could take the yellow pages in London and turn them into gold for Bain Capital. Of course, you have to have big government connections for that. Joe Shmo could never pull that baby off.
I love the taxes this patriot pays. 13.9% on millions flowing in while he sits back on the beach watching the ebbs and flows of capital. And he says, I’m just following the tax law. I have nothing to say about that. His company Bain Capital was one of many who lobbied congress for those low, low rates and he promises he will make them even lower!
Huh? And he thinks people don’t notice this?
He is double standard man and is outside the law as many of the top echelon are in this country and globally. All because lobbyists have been changing the law on Capitol Hill for decades to suit their needs. Me thinks they created a monster!
Oh and what a lover of the USA. (swoon) He offshores his money in the Cayman Isles and Switzerland as often as jobs and companies fly outta the US.
He attacks Gingrich for lobbying for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, but has investments inside and outside a “blind trust”.
Bill Maher made a great point the other night when he said the Republicans are in a bubble and have invented an Obama to fight against that doesn’t exist.
Their invention is as whacky as Romney and the political dialogue they put out is positively surreal.
Why most of the USA, EU and JAPAN are destined to low to zero or negative economic growth for many years in the future no matter what structurally, no matter what economical policies they choose (either left or right no difference):
1) Technology kills more jobs than creates;
2) Hundreds of millions of new workers worlwide available now, China, India Indonesia, etc;
3) Saturated markets, the west has bought all it needs, it has already way to much stuff;
4) Resources are strained, Oil is running out, agriculture strained, etc.
5) No new big technology novelties that can create many jobs;
6) Population is higher and higher, too many people for too little wealth;
7) Green ideology and evironmentalists kill developments and possible growth (against, skyscrapers, high speed trains, etc.);
8 ) Environment is strained, pollution and such;
9) Much older population, too old to work, old people not good enough for technology;
10) Accumulation of debts, too many pensions to pay, etc.;
11) Competition kills a lot of jobs in a lot of places, like Germany is the winner take all in cars, Spain and Greece can’t build their own BMWs or Mercedes models, they are not good enough or smart enough or “work hard” enough whatever;
12) The west killed unions and worker protection because it thinks that that is bad for the eonomy, but it mostly just makes the rich richer;
13) The financial and fluff side of the economy dominates and hence makes the rich richer and takes money away from all the middle class and poor, etc;
Now, go on Jesus, Son of man, King of the Jews, tell me how is this post different from all the previous ones ? ( you never talk about the ideas, you just personalize the threads and talk about all of these idiotic side effects and things, what a c*ck you and almost all others are, never issue the ideas, just issue the person, too many links to yourself and such stuff, etc.! say to me, “your ideas suck because people are lazy and don’t want to work, !” Ok at least you debate the idea, or something similar):
This post is different because it adds all the reasons the left, greens and rights state why the economy sucks and won’t grow anymore: the right wing says we are all too lazy and old and not educated enough and not competitive enough (like against the Germans), the left wing says the economy sucks structurally because it kills jobs, the greens because we have Peak Oil and resources are running out, etc.
So the reasons are probably all of the above mixed up, so the economy will not grow anymore, no matter what.
Why most of the USA, EU and JAPAN are destined to low to zero or negative economic growth for many years in the future no matter what structurally, no matter what economical policies they choose (either left or right no difference), Anything any government does, any politics either right or left, Democratic or Republican won’t change any of these deep large scale structural effects killing any future economic growth for years:
1) Technology kills more jobs than creates;
2) Hundreds of millions of new workers worlwide available now, China, India Indonesia, etc;
3) Saturated markets, the west has bought all it needs, it has already way too much stuff;
4) Resources are strained, Oil is running out, agriculture strained, etc.
5) No new big technology novelties that can create many jobs;
6) Population is higher and higher, too many people for too little wealth;
7) Green ideology and evironmentalists kill developments and possible growth (against, skyscrapers, high speed trains, etc.);
8 ) Environment is strained, pollution and such;
9) Much older population, too old to work, old people not good enough for technology;
10) Accumulation of debts, too many pensions to pay, etc.;
11) Competition kills a lot of jobs in a lot of places, like Germany is the winner take all in cars, Spain and Greece can’t build their own BMWs or Mercedes models, they are not good enough or smart enough or “work hard” enough whatever;
12) The west killed unions and worker protection because it thinks that that is bad for the eonomy, but it mostly just makes the rich richer;
13) The financial and fluff side of the economy dominates and hence makes the rich richer and takes money away from all the middle class and poor, etc;
Now, pray, tell me, which is your favorite reason ?
On this website: 4, 6, 8
For me, all of them:
Why most of the USA, EU and JAPAN are destined to low to zero or negative economic growth for many years in the future no matter what structurally, no matter what economical policies they choose (either left or right no difference), Anything any government does, any politics either right or left, Democratic or Republican won’t change any of these deep large scale structural effects killing any future economic growth for years:
1) Technology kills more jobs than creates;
2) Hundreds of millions of new workers worldwide available now, China, India, Indonesia, etc;
3) Saturated markets, the west has bought all it needs, it has already way too much stuff;
4) Resources are strained, Oil is running out, agriculture strained, etc.
5) No new big technology novelties that can create many jobs;
6) Population is higher and higher, too many people for too little wealth;
7) Green ideology and evironmentalists kill developments and possible growth (against, skyscrapers, high speed trains, etc.);
8 ) Environment is strained, pollution and such;
9) Much older population, too old to work, old people not good enough for technology;
10) Accumulation of debts, too many pensions to pay, etc.;
11) Competition kills a lot of jobs in a lot of places, like Germany is the winner take all in cars, Spain and Greece can’t build their own BMWs or Mercedes models, they are not good enough or smart enough or “work hard” enough whatever;
12) The west killed unions and worker protection because it thinks that that is bad for the eonomy, but it mostly just makes the rich richer;
13) The financial and fluff side of the economy dominates and hence makes the rich richer and takes money away from all the middle class and poor, etc;
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178031
And even if it is true that money doesn’t really exist and the debts are really not there, and we have excess capacity thanks to the Technological Economy and such, the rules of the game are such that debts must somehow be paid back (hence health care, future retirement pays and pensions, and all kinds of social welfare programs will have less and less cash, etc.) and most governments in the EU, USA and JAPAN are following a right wing fire workers, small businesses will create jobs, less taxes for the rich program and such anyways.
And if it isn’t the governments, then most people are anti-consumerist Green Environmentalist thugs (killing jobs in the process) all afraid of Global Warming (killing consumption and such) and in the end doing all they can to make those societies even poorer and having even less work, go figure.
Anyways, it is amazing that the standard of living in these three stooges economies USA, EU and JAPAN is still so high considering all the forces working against them ! And anyways a very important point is that there are simply not enough really new technologies capable of creating millions of jobs as has happended in the past (cars, jets, computers, etc.): iphones and tablets and facebook may create some, but it is just not enough, it just won’t cut it anymore…
TOBOR THE EIGHTH MAN
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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
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This is real science since the simplest explanation is the correct one and no explanation is the correct one and best one. But even if this explanation is wrong, well who cares ? Be Your Own Boss.[/quote]
So just sh*t on the Internet as much as you want, write anything at all, no matter how wrong, idiotic and insane, just BS forever on the Internet, it is all OK, it is all fine, it is all good…
Write as many false and wrong ideas as possible, be creative and colorful, go man go, you can do it, just do it….
Thanks for the kind words GREYGHOSTO5, I won’t collect SS. I am in a state pension system. I think maybe if I can get 40 quarters earned in the next few years I can get SS but I hear from some of the older guys it is a very small amount. The thing that scares me is getting on a fixed income and having inflation eat me alive. Although working for the city there have been no raises in the past 4 years and there are none in the near future as far as I can see. So I’m gettin’ out.
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176611
“You’re link shares no relation to anything that you’ve posted.”
There is no relation to anything I post with anything else I post, even the same sentence is all disjoint, what I wanted to say never is what I wanted to say, because I don’t know what I want to say, what I say has no relation to anything, it is a huge disjoint, incomprehensible chaotic mess and that is how I like it.
Now unless you are like Jesus, the King of the Jews that just wants to fight, add something constructive to the debates…
FUCK!! i never thought i d say this, but vlad? asoka? metuseleh even? are you out there- it would sure be nice to have a healthy conversation with a coherent, concise point; with some hope of resolution and eddification…
Hey Charlie,
Go back to a bit after 7:00 am this morning. I posted something and nobody has responded.
Instead we have blog hogs who over post the same nonsense and ruins the dialog.
But then again, what else is new?
ah, how bout that? yeah, that one has been running on our local movie channel- wasn t interested judging by the previews…as for the comparison to romneybot and his republican clones; spot on, i say…i go back and forth concerning whether people buy these ‘talking points’ because they are all stupid, or if there is a conscious decision made because of self-interest…further, whether the abominable situation re “education” is because of conspiracy to commit, or is purely a function of greed (bottom line) and affirmative action- which, don t get mad; i just mean hiring people for political reasons instead of merit and profficiency in given subjects…
because they are all stupid, or if there is a conscious decision made because of self-interest…further, whether the abominable situation re “education” is because of conspiracy to commit, or is purely a function of greed….
How about a combination of all above. I may be a progressive, but of course the rot is on both sides of the aisle. I have no love for the Democrats.
Our system is defunct and nothing will be turned-around.
We will be destroyed by both parties, because nothing is articulated about how they will eviscerate social security and medicare that we all pay into. The will deliver us unto Goldman Sachs, like lambs to slaughter.
In the meantime the death cult of super managed free market economics will destroy Capitalism for the giant transnationals who hate competition.
I have come to the conclusion that neo (as in Neo conserv and neolib really mean “pseudo”
” As for me, I prefer feeding the birds with my pants up to my chest. I’m not that old yes, just tired of the brainless featherless female bipeds. Among the Kziniti Cats of Geidi Prime, only the males have intelligence – it makes it so much easier as one doesn’t have to pretend to listen. I go there sometimes at night much as Lovecraft used to go to Kadath. When there, I found myself not always a disembodied observer, but sometimes actually in the body of one of the giant cats – sometimes mating with the conscious but unintelligent females. My yowls and her purrs meet in perfect harmony. Of course, there are the fights with other Toms too. My host hasn’t allowed me to “sit in” on of those yet. Too much fun for him to want to step out I guess.
And he sometimes comes here. He may be responsible for some of the stranger posts here. I’m not sure since our consciousnesses seem to be merging even though separated by light years in space.” Vlad
OK, Say, Vlad, have you been drinking a bit too much Absinthe? Sounds a bit like it.
You do know that Frank Herberts’ DUNE series of books was ficion, right? In other words, he made it all up in his head. Sorta like the Bible in a way.
I do not think that the series by his son, Brian Herbert comes even close to the writing by his father. Its more comic bookish to me. Which is too bad, I had high hope that it would be as good as Franks. It was quite a disappointment really.
Sorta like the animated Lord of the Rings done in the ’70s by the guy who did Fritz the Cat in comparison to the Peter Jackson LOTR.
Anyway, lay off the Absinthe, it rots the the little grey cells, of which you probably don’t really have a lot left to spare.
😉
Let Newt win. He’s unelectable because it’s too easy to show what a venal, plutocrat-ass-kissing tool he is.
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Sounds like you have your next President. Elected with an overwhelming majority vote.
Say, is old69 the only one here making any sense today?
Just saying….
😉
Hey LB, I’m a resident Masshole. We had Mittens as Gov. for a while. He actually helped fix some shit in the state as far as I am concerned. You gotta admit, he certainly has a head for business. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a fan, but he was better then some of the Dem liberals we had over the years. Can you say DuCockiss or Devil Patrick? Everybody rags on the Romneycare health bill. It does not effect me but my daughter had no employer provided health insurance ( she manages a brew-pub). She has insurance now through the State at what I consider a very reasonable rate.Good bennies also. She pays less than I do! I am in a city run program. She is in Romney-care.
Dear Mr.Kunstler,
Intuitively, your ideas about Japan make an awful lot of sense to me. Straight after university a decade ago I went to study Japanese there for one year and without being completely conscious of why I suspect in retrospect that it was in large part to learn about the ways that Japanese society was transmogrifying after the end of its ‘bubble-jidai’ or ‘bubble period’ – as a source of lessons to be applied in various ways to my own country, Britain, when I returned. Japan is fascinating because it was almost entirely closed to western influence up to the beginning of the Meiji period in 1868 (the end of the long, feudal Tokugawa shogunate) and it adapted itself to western industrialism very very rapidly indeed – right from the surface (fashions) to the deeper principles of economic growth and so forth. I haven’t been in touch with Japan very much directly for the past few years but I intuitively understand where you are coming from in your perspective about Japan changing at the moment (and, arguably, over the past 20 years or so) to its post-industrial civilisation stage, and in ways that may be harbingers for the rest of us and our trajectories, though of course each country is likely to have its own dynamics and characteristics and as you point out one of the key ones with Japan is relative ethnic homogeneity which is not the case where I am or where you are. Still, regardless of those differences, I suspect there is a sort of Japanese murmuration at work in some ways, which is why I went there I think, because I needed to understand something at the time about how the Japanese present had lessons about the British future – lessons which are terribly difficult for my country to swallow right now, because it is difficult for many people who are invested psychologically and materially in a social system that has now passed into history to accept that it has now passed into history. Perhaps that is one of the most important tasks of the writer or artist – to show the world what our true present moment is, unencumbered by false ideas based on a nostalgic attachment to the past in one form or another.
I loved and enjoyed my time in Japan very very greatly. I was treated superbly and it was a fascinating culture to explore. Your intuition on the matter finds an echo in my own experience and my own mind.
Thank you for all the insights and please keep up the good work.
If you don’t have Expectations of better, if you don’t want more and are ok with what you have, no matter how little, no matter how void, empty, whatever, then you are ok. As soon as you want more you are no longer ok, you need to win, you need to fight and play the game and risk losing, etc. So, you win and sometimes you lose, etc. better not to play these games at all, give us all back our good old nothing, nothing forever, void, empty, pure nothingness forever.
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The Japanese understand that big business can’t be kept separate from Goverment and the common good – so they never tried to. It’s not a real conflict since the same people often work in both at one time or another. It’s not a conflict here either for the same reason. But we pretend that the two sphere are separate even as the Goverment serves the Corporations – a complete corruption. And to justify this, they call a healthy system Fascism – which is just a meaningless curse word to confuse the hoi polloi. We pretend the Japanese are like us – so as not to have to understand how they are better.
They have also evaded the nightmare of Socialism and Marxism. They value private choice and savings – though guided by a hidden hand. Call it Planned Capitialism and it is easily the most sophisticated system on the planet. For more, check this out:
http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/10/japan-refutation-of-neoliberalism/
The Japanese have a healthy love of themselves. In other words, they don’t pretend that Race doesn’t matter or that Negroes or Whites could ever be Japanese. You were a guest and so treated well. They are even humble enough to call Whites “Sensei” and learn their own arts like Karate or Judo from a White. But if you tried to become a Japanese you would be humiliated. The only way is thru marriage as far as I know. You would have to take your wife’s name and you would be treated with a contempt equal to the previous honor. These barriers are not lightly to be crossed. This is what happened to the great scholar Lacadafio Hearn.
They do have real problems: the women have been corrupted by Western ideas and the young men are refusing to marry them. Sensisble chaps.
I am totally willing to believe that your beauty is eclipsed by your brains.
And I guess it’s your big boobs that keep your husband obedient enough to stay in the car, against his instincts, on your command.
Use what you’ve got, I guess.
He’s a tool of the Zionists just like all of them except Ron Paul.
We have two Midwestern Nurses, both blonde and beautiful, but one is good and one is evil. Which one is Glinda and which one the wicked witch of the West?
I am totally willing to believe that your beauty is eclipsed by your brains.
Is it your big boobs that keep your husband obedient enough to stay in the car, against his instincts, at your command?
I’m not blond, Vlad.
And are you so sure that Glinda is so good?
http://www.cracked.com/article_18881_5-reasons-greatest-movie-villain-ever-good-witch.html
OK, again I’m stepping in where I have no expertise or interest.
But I actually read something of interest a while back.
So, the crazy Christians believe that the Temple on the Mount (or something like that) has to be rebuilt before they can be raptured.
But the Israelis gave the land back to the Palestinians that the Temple was on. Now there’s a mosque on it.
So the crazy Christians are pushing for the Israelis to get that land again, (killing a bunch of Muslims in the process) so that they may all be killed in the return of Jesus.
And you profess wonderment that some of us are not religious.
Awesome! Especially that Martin Sheen is stepping up after his son was so trashed for questioning the dominant paradigm.
No one famous may speak Forbidden Truth, just us peons on the internet.
Yeah, I am limiting it to the USA, because that is where I live, and I don’t believe that the government should get involved in other people’s business.
But I would certainly hope that the idea would spread!
Your faith that mass manipulation of the environment would be temporary and belief in science’s ability to turn fertility off and on at will is touching, but unwarranted, I’d say.
Asoka, I’m with SJMom on the transgender question.
Although I don’t believe that they should be discriminated against, the idea that a woman can be trapped inside a man’s body is a bit bizarre.
And, unlike being gay, being transgender is kind of a late 20th century diagnosis, because until plastic surgery and the industrial production of artificial hormones, that woman just kinda had to stay trapped, didn’t she?
Apparently, Michael Jackson thought that he was a white person trapped inside a black person’s body, and the plastic surgeons were only too willing to take his money also, to fix his problem.
How’d that work out for him?
After the Long Emergency, I’m guessing that diagnosis will disappear along with test anxiety and oppositional disorder.
OWSERS in Wash Squ Park,
Hey guys I went out for my run today and to my surprise there was a demonstration in the park complete with drum beats signs and a host of cops all over.
At one point a group wearing baseball uniforms filed in and posed for cameras. There signs calling said they were Tax Dodgers who would rather pay lobbyists than taxes.
A few good conversations with some very bright young people….
Interesting thoughts and link, thank you.
Never mind that D. Did you hear the unearthly sounds in Costa Rica early this month? Is it HAARP or the Trumpet of Apolcalypse?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqsGBEk_Uy8
You said you were before or was that your kids?
You don’t think that countless Jews want the Temple rebuilt? And loathe their goverment for leaving it with the Muslims?
Why pick on “Christians” who are just serving the Jews like slaves as per their conditioning?
I’m a big fan but I’ve never been there so I envy you. I’ve heard the mark of a long time expat in Japan is to feel comfortable with the “No Caucasians” signs in some clubs. Ah sanity: a people who intend to survive even though the NWO demands every few years that they start taking in boat people. They did a few years ago: Vietmanese whom they treated with such utter contempt that they all left. No, they don’t think much of S.E Asians. Only the Chinese get some grudging respect among the Asians.
But like it or not, this is the way Nations persevere. They have lasted for thousands of years and they could last thousands more – as long as the blood is kept pure. Start bringing in millions of Third Worlders and the gig is up – it only takes a few generations of such utter foolishness. I mean just look at the U.K or United States.
Chinese have a similar hierarchy: Chinese at the top, then Japan, then Korea, then Whites etc.
Koreans: Koreans at the top, then Chinese, then Japanese, the Whites. etc
Whites: everyone else before Whites starting with the lowest and most ignorant.
Just to play devil’s advocate: if the brain has been feminized by female hormones there could be some truth to it. And plastics in the water act like estrogens for some reason.
Remember to be PC you have to believe Gays were “born this way” I love enforcing PC on believers who have slipped. So then, why not Trans folks? You have to fight all conventionality Wage – it’s all of the Devil. Asoka isn’t going to like this. And he is your superior as a Black. Or do you contest this as a Woman?
“And you profess wonderment that some of us are not religious.” -wage-
Not wonderment, exactly, Wage. Maybe bemusement – at the proselytizing nature of some of the Atheists on CFN.
And I’ll agree with you 100% that many of the scriptural prophesies, etc., that motivate US Christians today as regards the land of Israel are downright strange.
All of that Temple Mount stuff is *probably, hopefully?* leftover 1st century BCE stuff from the Jewish prophets – Those troubled men who always did have an ear for displacement, warfare, suffering, and destruction.
Although – It does seem that the civilized world is hellbent on bringing all of the Armageddon stories to life, right now. It’s going to be the ultimate irony if Christians, Jews, and Muslims bring about the end of civilization through their actions and inactions in the Middle East and elsewhere – if there was never a God (god) in the first place.
Of course, some sort of squishy Religion of Politically Correct Secular Humanism* prevents your “pay for sterilization” program from going into effect. Same thing for SNAFU’s plan – both of which are good ideas and worthy of study.
*Catholics and many other religious types would be opposed to these plans as well – mostly on the basis of their general opposition to somebody/anybody/anywhere – ever having non-procreative sex, for the pure fun of having it. Can’t allow that, now, can we.
I just listened to the funniest podcast on the European Debt Crisis. It is long, 58:31, but had me laughing out loud.
Maybe it brought back so many memories of living in the Third World, but the Greek debt statistics back story had me rolling on the floor with laughter.
It is an iTunes podcast of This American Life #455 and is titled: CONTINENTAL BREAKUP.
Ira Glass just hands the show over to the Planet Money people and asks them to make sense of the European Debt Crisis, with the question “Should we care?”.
The whole section on Greece is a scream. Italy can’t be far behind.
Talk about the square root of a negative number being an “imaginary” … that is what the European Debt Crisis is: imaginary numbers all around. Funny stuff.
Here is the link: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/455/continental-breakup
Set aside 58 minutes and prepare to be entertained.
While I was looking up the spelling of “proselytizing,” I stumbled upon this legal-eagle website. Apparently, employers can get in trouble for NOT allowing proselytizing at work. Go figure that! And we wonder why nobody wants to hire anybody in the USA.
Speaking of political correctness run amok – I was at a Lowes this weekend and every FREAKING sign in the store was Spanish/English bilingual – EXCEPT, and this is very important, for a few signs in the banos/bathroom.
Those signs, informing patrons that “SHOPLIFTERS WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!” – those signs were in English only, obviously in the belief that it is politically correct to think non-English speakers might commit theft.
I wonder if a Spanish only speaker could shove a sawblade in his pants, walk out of the store – and not only avoid shoplifting charges, because he was not properly warned in Spanish that it was illegal –
But, then, he could sue Lowes because their saw blade was not properly packaged – when it cut his wiener off during his arrest.
I don’t know. But if I was a hungry lawyer, I think I’d find me an interested monolingual Guatemalan guy, and try to find out.
http://www.clausen.com/index.cfm/fa/firm_pub.article/article/b66ccbc4-75f8-43e0-b56d-3f3286f50abd/Proselytizing_In_The_Workplace_Is_This_Religious_Freedom.cfm
Ibendet, I wonder if those OWSERS mean tax dodgers like Al Sharpton? The Most Reverend Al owes millions to the IRS but that doesn’t stop him from hosting his own TV show on MSNBC.
Or maybe General Electric. GE doesn’t have to pay lobbyists because its CEO is part of the Obama Administration. Immelt doesn’t pay for lobbyists, lobbyists pay Immelt.
Those Owsers better be careful whose oxes they gore.
–WSP7
‘the gig is up’
No, Jig…as in Irish Jig.
If you have clear skies, take a walk outside an raise thine eyes. Mighty Jupiter and the crescent Moon are putting on a good show. The world is not as ugly as some believe.
GG05 said “I hope this chic is worth the wait and you don’t end up HIV-positive because of her.”
There is small likelihood as she gets regular checkups and tests. I am aware of her recklessness; it is the same recklessness with which I pursue her.
As for AIDS- incidentally I and you and everyone you know has as much chance of acquiring AIDS as choking on a million dollar bill.
I’m cautious about more prosaic, immanently more possible things. Like pregnancies.
in the belief that it is politically correct to think non-English speakers might commit theft. – Prog
You meant politically incorrect, right?
Question: Is is propriety, habit, or ignorance that you expect to decease in a timely fashion, and not, in fact, live forever.
In other words, what part of your portfolio is planning for a possible reversal of the aging process that is becoming more likely as time goes by?
Just checking in from Alpha Centauri.
Does Lbendit know about the 100-up?
Why doesn’t everyone run?
Couple of more entries regarding sexual celibacy – and my lifelong studied avoidance thereoff:
SLUT is also a great acronym – Southern Ladies Up to Something.
That goes along with the GRITS acronym in my lexicon – Girls Raised In The South.
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And this is an interesting sentiment:
“For the avergae dick, the pussy market is filled with undesirables. I cannot imagine renting, let alone owning 99.99% of the pussy that walks by.”
-bustinJ-
None of my business, BJ, but this statement makes you sound a little bit smitten. I might go as high as 90% undesirable, leaving one out of every 10 women worth consideration – but you have your girlfriend in the category of the only one desirable pussy out of 9,999 others – that’s some pretty rarified odds, there bustin.
And I’m just messing with you. I’m sure she’s a great girl. I hope it works out for y’all.
And you are correct about the overhyped nature of the AIDS threat, especially for heterosexual males of white European descent.
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And Missus Quiche – nice catch. You sure you’re not Q, come back from the dead.
“Never mind that D. Did you hear the unearthly sounds in Costa Rica early this month? Is it HAARP or the Trumpet of Apolcalypse?”
Oh, Vlad, that was just Chuck Mangioni, when he gets a little too much rum in him and goes out on the deck and trys to play his horn. Its really sad in a way, he had a good deal going on ‘King of the HILL’, and now that thats over…..
Anyway, remember what I said about the Absinthe…
😉
And yeah, RippedThunder, congratulations on your retirement! It’s a beautiful thing.
I recall you’ve got some rental properties – that ought to keep you ahead of the inflation monster a little bit, even if you are taking payment in chickens or goat’s milk.
I’ve mentioned the rental house I own in an area of “declining demographics.” I negotiated a 30% tax assessment decrease on it last year, and thought that was a pretty good day’s work.
Well, I just got a reassessment notice from that county and they came off ANOTHER 25% of assessed value. They sent ME a check to make up for my overpayment from the previous year.
Real estate is going down, and when even the local PTB begin to acknowledge it – I don’t think it’s coming back up, barring really high inflation in everything.
Hey Widespread,
If you hadn’t noticed in all my postings, although I’m a progressive the rot in the system is pervasive and on both sides!
Never said it was a right wing problem.
Think of the volume of body fluids exchanged when you have sex. A pint maybe? No idea.
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A PINT??? not unless you have the biggest balls in all of creation!
Maybe I could bake the cow turds in a solar oven then burn them for fuel?
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I’m often amazed by the aspirations people have around here, and how low they can be.
You should consider donating your brain to science, so they can spend a few decades trying to figure out how all that wiring got so fucking crossed up.
#987
“few decades trying to figure out how all that wiring got so fucking crossed…” -dale-
Dale, Vlad comes up with some hate filled stuff, but I don’t think that post you just linked to about Chinese/Japanese/Korean thoughts on racial purity superiority is that far off the mark, inside these countries.
http://www.thechinaexpat.com/racism-in-china/
However, there are advantages to being “white” in China, at the present time. Funny stuff.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/china.rent.white.people/index.html
And the acronym was SLUTS –
Southern Ladies Up To Something
My wife already has a GRITS sweatshirt.
Maybe I’ll get her a SLUTS t-shirt for Valentines Day.
BustinJ,
If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid. — Epictetus
BustinJ,
I am running!
Haven’t you noticed a change in the earth’s spinning on its axis?
Bubblehead, for your health it’s best not to burn wood or cow turds with an open flame, unless you have a good draft to take away the smoke.
Much more efficient would be a small rocket stove. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_stove
You’ve been in Earthquakes – did you hear anything strange before they hit? The Gnomes hammering at the Foundations of the Deep.
People have been hearing strange things all over the world lately. It’s said that the “Hum” is the strongest in the Himalayas. But these other sounds are new – no doubt connected to the coming End of this Age.
Hi P2C, in my town the taxes do up every year. The valuations keep increasing. If I could sell my three families for what the city says they are worth I would dump them in a minute. They are great houses in fine neighborhoods. The city and my insurance company value them at $450,000.00 replacement. I would be lucky to get 200 large for one of them. I have a unit for rent now. 800 ballons a month . A beautiful quad color victorian with all hardwood and a lot of class.
http://westernmass.craigslist.org/apa/2824011540.html
Then again, you may want to look into a cob structure and incorporate a rocket mass heater, which is being used more and more in natural building and within permaculture designs.
That last post was for BubbleHead Marc.
Weii P2C, I doubt the tenants will be raising chickens, But I already have a couple that do all my leaves, snow, paint etc, etc. That is cool with me. I am so into the barter system. Fuck the feds! Uh oh, Watch list trigger again!!!
p. 12: “In my own cottage I burn only about two-thirds of a cord of (fir and alder) firewood a year, while my neighbors average 3-5 cords. You can usually tell when any of the neighbors are around by the cloud of smoke coming out of their chimneys. By contrast, we burn so clean that visitors coming into my house want to know how come it’s so snug without the stove burning. Imagine their surprise when they learn that in fact, it is burning merrily.”
-Ianto Evans
Ianto Evans and Leslie Jackson, Cob Cottage Company, ISBN 0966373839)
Stuff like this is why I do not think it is possible to go back to 1850. We may think we are living in a “world made by hand” but in reality we are taking 150 years of accumulated knowledge from science and experimentation.
In 1850 you can be sure they cut the wood and burned 5 cords to keep warm. With our 21st century knowledge we can do the same with only cutting two-thirds of a cord.
I wonder if in 1850 when someone was siting a house on a plot of cleared land, if it even occurred to them the placement for maximum passive solar, or building with thermal mass, or putting in a trombe wall (patented in 1881, developed in the 1960s — God bless the Boomers).
In 1850 they probably just got stuck chopping five cords of wood, instead of one. Our knowledge gives us the advantage, even in a “world made by hand” with no oil, no fossil fuels. You just have to know how to work with adobe construction.
Sorry Q if you are out there my friend! Should be well! Not Weii.
He thinks that only Whites can be racist. It’s hard to believe anyone could be so stupid, but he is. And beyond that, like you, he refuses to look at the positive sides of racism: the love of one’s own kind. After all, to love all is to love none. Liberals pretend to do this even as they hate Whites who don’t agree with them. So they are a kind of “race” in and of themselves.
You must love Don Ho. I’d love to watch you gyrate to his ukelele.
1,000th comment!
We cannot go back to 1850.
Even if all oil disappears, even if the Internet disappears, our knowledge base will not disappear.
Thank God for libraries! And real books!
Asoka….’We cannot go back to 1850′..asoka, the race can go back to the stone age or disappear!
P2C….In Boyle Hts? or somesuch neighborhood a drunken wetback with a knife was threatening people..he didnt respond to the po-leece warning him in spanish…they killed him.
He was central american and spoke a native dialect..
never learned spanish or english.
The Latinos had a protest over police brutality.
Yes its called ‘Survival’.
Many earthquakes..only one ‘bad’ one.
Never heard a sound.
I checked yr link and am of the opinion that ‘on youtube its easy to fake such things’.
Ive read of Class and Prejudice in Cuba and USSR.
It is not legislated out of people by a despot [fidel, stalin].
Read ‘THE DARK SIDE OF MAN’.
Vlad said:
But again, many abstain inwardly and outwardly and have no great spirituality – just deadness. William Blake understand this aspect of modernity, I’m not sure hardly any Christians do. The same with Tibetan Buddhism btw: the Dalai Lama has been stopped in his tracks when people inform him that Westerners often don’t love themselves. So the seed of spirituality is sterile – how can you extend to others what you don’t even have for yourself?
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Indeed, Vlad, I think inner DEADNESS is the mark of this Leaden Age. Have you noticed that stupidity has grow MILITANT in the last couple of decades?? Intelligence is an IRRITANT in most public venues. Why has it grown to be an irritant? Because only in numbness can people hide from the many follies of their lives like wealth-chasing, hanging out with vain/unedifying people, confusing sex for love, and so on.
A live mind is a THREAT to many people because such minds tend to awaken other minds out of a stupor IN WHICH THEY WISH TO REMAIN. Stupor, whether induced by Prozac, TV, electronic gadgets, stockmarket obsession, alcohol, meth, or Oxycontin is a deathlike state where nothing very good ever happens but inner processes are ground to a halt.
Most people would rather remain unevolved than to “detox” from deadness and learn that one can only be an actualized person by valuing things worth valuing.
E.
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178031
These are all running constants, running numbers in the sense that they are all getting worse everyday: technology is killing ever more jobs (along with optimizations and competition, especially competition: the very meaning of the word implies some group winning because it worked harder and smarter, that is, it used less input for the same output (productivity increase ?) therefore winning market share, but less input means fewer jobs, etc.), population keeps on increasing (even though slowing down, but still it is a constant positive increase everyday: what on earth jobs will all of these turds and slobs do ? and how will they buy houses (or rent) since they have no cash since they are worthless slobs who should have never been born ? oh, I see they will kill each other like in Libya, Syria and a host of other sh*tholes, ok ), pollution keeps on increasing and global warming keeps on making the weather go crazy, no hope on that side either, ever more workers who will work for anything between 300 to 800 dollars a month (even doctors and engineers, and anyways 800 is considered a very high salary in most of the world) keep on coming on line while in the USA, EU and JAPAN those kinds of salaries are considered poor.
All running constants like the rich keep on getting richer and killing any hope of economic growth since they don’t spend money, they already have everything, they just use it to play the financial poker games, for fun, just becasue, because they are bored, and so on.
No hope at all that large public private projects like thousands of Rockets and Skyscrapers and High Speed Trains creating jobs either since all the Green Thugs are against this and governments are all against this since they want the Invisible Hand of the markets to do its magic while if you directly say what must be produced, well that is a sin, that is against Nature, that means really creating jobs because you are finally saying clearly and loudly and specifically what on earth those jobs will be used for: but all the economists keep on chanting this BS of “More Education”, now whatever the hell does that have anything to do with jobs ? Education to do what ? Why do they never explain exactly what and how all of this more education BS can be connected to jobs ? We need more “Information Workers” like a hole in the head, we already have loads of Educated people working at McDonalds, what on earth are they supposed to do with all of that Information and Knowledge ? What c*cks, beat all those economists up, punch them all in the face, will you, please ?
And anyways Information (and those producing them as a corollary) will be worth zero soon since the Internet is choke full of it, being produced constantly for free, and something that is so abundant ends up being worth zero anyways.
All running numbers, every new car and house and new crap bought at WalMart and such just adds to the saturation of the markets in the USA, EU and JAPAN, just keeps on adding more stuff we don’t need, ever more stuff, all trash, throw it all away, we are drowning in crap and saturated markets, how on earth is that going to create “more jobs” ?
And then Energy and Oil is running out, all the environment is strained, (according to the Resource Scarcity thugs) but anyways, what a contorted system, we have loads of stuff in saturated markets and everything is running out at the same time, go figure, what a clustph*k.
The debts keep on rising, ever more trillions in the three stooges economies, those numbers keep on going up everyday and no one knows how to pay it back, people are getting older and retiring ever more everyday with all of their “Entitlements” (notice the use of this word, as saying those who want what they paid for are thieves asking for something for free) needing to be paid back but no one knows how to pay it back since all money is now declared finished, over, there is no longer any money left in the world (at least for anything social like entitlements, pensions, welfare, etc.).
And especially the dream that all these new technologies would create millions of new jobs, that all of the Research and Development would create new sectors and new jobs and such has turned into a nightmare of that technology doing the exact opposite (and what it should do if it is of any possible rational use!) kill jobs, automate, simplify, kill middle men and jobs (by using computers and the Internet and such). This dream can easily be traced to the expectation that the future would be like the last 300 years with all of these large scale novelties like Electricity, Trains, Cars, Jets, Computers and so many new applications of technology creating entire industries and millions of jobs: but that cycle is over now, all of the large scale jobs creating and industry creating inventions and Innovations and Research and Development have finished doing their magic, the positive feedback loop is over now, now it has turned into a negative feedback loop killing ever more jobs, now it is payback time, now all of that stuff is being used to kill jobs and not create them.
Anyways, all of this may be 100 % wrong and irrelevant, all of the above may simply be a mental model totally irrelevant and not related to reality: since how on earth can the USA, EU and JAPAN maintain such a high standard of living with so few real jobs (most jobs are flufforama BS services that just drain resources and are fun and games like IPADS and IPHONES and FACEBOOK, lawyers, etc.) being performed anyways ? So maybe all of our mental models of the economy are useless trash, throw away any model, throw away any hope of understanding the economy and job creation and such since there is probably nothing to understand as it has no patterns or models associated to it, it is just a constant interaction of random contrasting forces going anywhere and doing anything.
Actually throw away all thought and any and all mental models, free your mind instead, thought is a sickness, it must be eliminated, kill thought and thinking.
TOBOR AN APE
Please Ignore these kinds of posts, please erase them all from the Internet, they are machine generated (from an Obsessive Compulsive Machine with a crashed computer program). Thank You.
I have to get this off my chest! (sorry): jesus ph*nkg christ what a horny slut! what a hot and horny whore that Juletta must be ! six kids, how much did that bitch ph*k!?!? wow! and she admits it too that she’s hot with big b*bs and such! lucky husband! (if he’s not impotent like me, otherwise he can watch and imagine the pleasure) six kids ! I don’t even think I pl*yd with myself 6 times in my long and puny lifetime, go figure. Why did she do that to me ? why did she beat me up like that ? why all that pleasure for her and zero for me ? that is the hand of cards God or Nature dealt me (the two religions Busty is always talking about, I can’t believe what a c*ck that little boy is believing in those two religions!, Kill all religions, kill Nature and kill all those ladies having fun against me, beating and punishing me like that).
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177982
Please Ignore these kinds of posts, please erase them all from the Internet, they are machine generated (from an Obsessive Compulsive Machine with a crashed computer program). Thank You.
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/murmuration.html#comment-113682
Ok, so what is it Busty ? Do you have some kind of guilt complex with yourself since you didn’t deal yourself enough pleasure ? Do you have an obligation to achieve more pleasure, is there a scale ? Is something or someone keeping score ?
But that is the general problem of a Man Brain, it is unstable, constantly unstable (especially when things like s*x is involved, dirty words and dirty things, and there is a reason they are called dirty, because they dirty our minds and lives and create more problems than what they solve, nay, they are problem creators only). And most of all it wants to play games with contradicting will powers, wants to confront other will powers to see if it can win, condition change the other will powers’ mind and choices, etc.
So we have these targets, start point and end points and paths, the target that must be achieved, the target that is then the pleasure at the end that is the prize at the end (but almost all of our targets have zero to very little real pleasure attached to it, it is mostly mental, theoretical, symbolic and social pleasure, it is mostly the judgment of the other and achieving an imaginary good judgment in the others mind that creates the result, the target achieved, therefore pleasure achieved).
And those targets become our mental program, we are slaves of a program we didn’t choose (but we don’t choose anything anyways, the entire illusion of free will is to try to make you believe you choose things, when in reality you are simply programmed constantly to choose something some tribe, culture or local logical segment decided for you just randomly from the outset without any necessity or need).
So free your mind, win anyways, assign yourself as a winner no matter what, make yourself win independently of any sequence of symbols, any paintings that are assigned as a win (since all things that happen and have happened and will happen are just pretty pictures in our mind, pictures that are assigned a metaphysical value for no reason at all).
From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
The Laws of Identity and Non Contradiction (should more correctly be named the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, since they are the very first principles from which all else is derived from) is in truth a Momentary Lapse of Reasoning “Matter” or “Mass Energy” or more correctly the “Monolithic Slab of Pure Existence as Delimited by Logical Entities” has in order to momentarily observe itself, contradict itself and then vanish again to where it all belongs, namely a place where all contradictions are operating, nothing is identified as distinct from anything else, all is real and fake, and so on, the more absurd and crazy the closer we get to some very remote and vague and indirect approximation of what all of reality is.
Obviously, the above block of text has absolutely nothing to do with what I wanted to say, it is 100 % unrelated, disjoint and not connected or associated with what I wanted to express…good luck in trying to figure out what I wanted to say…
Really makes a guy wonder, doesn’t it?
Does “anybody” really believe the banksters, lawyers and politicians are doing things to help the average American? Is there any faith remaining whatsoever?
More & more it seems highly doubtful for the majority. Probably for very good reasons.
100% agree.
Bringing in overwhelming waves of Mexicans for cheap labor for the profit of the very, very few isn’t fooling much of anybody these days.
We need more Mexicans, Haitians, etc, etc like another hole in the head. If continued (which seems very, very likely) the balkanization of the USA scenario will almost certainly come to fruit.
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Great Read ! Thanks a lot vlad!
Ok, So I take it back then, JAPAN is not part of the three stooges USA, EU and JAPAN, only the USA and EU (if the article is true ? but even Germany and France, etc. have some private public mixes), anyways.
So then I was really on to something with my fix on Public Private Projects and such (but only being honest, most of the world either openly or hiddenly operate such things to various degrees, like the USA Military).
Another interesting point is the Status Relationship instead of the Economic Incentive, as in my idea that Money Doesn’t Really Exist and such. Interesting.
My first impression though is that the world today, the Global Economy is a kind of machine that the Powers That Be (always if they really exist ?) knows has all kinds of sub – economic systems operating inside of it with very diverse and mixed economies and can choose to activate some parts for some tasks and sometimes other parts for other tasks, etc.
The world as a mixed economy with some places good at public – private other places good at fast paced new inventions (silicon valley), etc. Some places use planning and long term and “relationships between economic players” others use cut throat competition and short “transaction based” immediate “profit seeking” (therefore not relationship based, aka “I don’t know you, and am indifferent to you, I just want to make a fast buck by interacting with you”).
It’s rather a parody what this site has become: “Asoka replied to X” and “X replied to Asoka” or “Metusaleh replied to Y” and “Y replied to Metusaleh”.
These two get-a-life people must tie up close to 60% of every week’s thread, mostly with sandbox-level turd-throwing. It’s actually kind of humorous.
Then we have the 8man/Tegmark and Old69 generating streams of long essays which are about as meaningful to me as the Chinese troll posters.
This site has become a parody of itself.
E.
Bshirt said:
We need more Mexicans, Haitians, etc, etc like another hole in the head. If continued (which seems very, very likely) the balkanization of the USA scenario will almost certainly come to fruit.
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I agree with your basic sentiment but I hope you realize that you’re on a blog where many people don’t know the difference between balkanization and “diversity”. Real diversity is exemplified by the slogan on old American coins … “E pluribus unum” … “Out of many, one”. However, when people constantly want to rub their skin tone in your face they are saying they don’t want to be part of the ONE!! They want to accentuate a DIFFERENCE from you that does NOT make them “special”.
Real diversity, healthy diversity, is a diversity of skills, talents, and ideas and in a healthy culture would have nothing whatever to do with skin tone. When a man resorts to talking about his skin tone as making himself special, he’s down to playing the last trump in his hand. Sad, really.
E.
Like when you are in situation A with item B (could be a machine, group of people, person, “special” person, anything at all (or nothing ?)) and you have an experience C whatever and then after some time passes you want to repeat that situation of A plus B gives you C but it doesn’t give you C anymore but something else: so what was it then ? but sometimes it gives you C sometimes the exact opposite, sometimes nothing at all sometimes something totally unrelated, or much better, etc. Why ? because this is the demonstration that we are only a Temporary Ensemble of Information Relationships Interacting according to Random Forces Producing any Given Experience: past behavior and experiences are no guarantee for future behavior and experiences, everything is fleeting, short duration, everything dependent on the context, the present mental emotional and random context and state etc. Too many variables, repetition is often impossible (but sometimes you can achieve even experiences much better than C and so forth, you never know).
Conspiracy Theory: So then if JAPAN makes believe it is Capitalistic and such and is in crisis and such then maybe the same may apply to other nations like Spain, Italy, the USA ? Maybe all of them are make believe crisis, all guided very carefully to make it seem such ? After all, Spain just made the mistake of building way too many houses because the prices always went up and now they have millions of empty new homes available: so what crisis (just like the USA) ? so many empty homes is a sign of wealth! of being rich! of having more than they can use, isn’t it ?
Anyways, all the ideas of Hire and Fire, layoffs, (you must change the kind of job you do 10 times in a lifetime) companies restructuring and such may be simply all guided, there is a room with a small group of people observing all 7 billion people on earth and hiring and firing and mixing and matching jobs and such and moving people all around and making believe that is some Invisible Hand of the Market, when it is all very carefully studied and planned out, probably by an all knowing a Supercomputer: that article on JAPAN makes me wonder about how many other things are all fake, make believe…
AN APE
So in some modified brains you may have the circuits inverted, instead of a sequence of symbols (blocks of texts, memories of past events, or anything similar) activating feelings and pain/pleasure and such, you may have the emotions and feelings generating symbols and the pain/pleasure emotion circuits connected to the symbols, symbols directly generated by (generating ?) new sensations and events and such. And now you can imagine how many new possible states of feeling, sensations, pain/pleasure events (but much more varied complex, practically simply completely new sensations and events having nothing to do with pain/pleasure/emotion but much much more and different like if pain is 1, pleasure is 2 and emotion 3, then what is minus 200, plus 5,000 and what is any new sequence of symbols like “seven79” and “IronMan79” and such ? ) can be experienced and generated ?
A never ending new world of new “Experience Machines”…
And the Internet is the Great Mind Reading machine, reading everyone’s mind and thoughts, a great spying machine, everyone spied and cataloged.
a great spying machine, everyone spied and cataloged.
Hey, here’s an idea.
If that’s such a problem for you, get off the internet and stay off it. (now that’s the ticket)
“And the Internet is the Great Mind Reading machine, reading everyone’s mind and thoughts, a great spying machine, everyone spied and cataloged.”
-tegmark, old69, tobor-
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You are thinking that it is dangerous to keep posting on CFN.
It is dangerous to keep posting on CFN
You must stop posting on CFN.
Stop posting on CFN.
Stop posting.
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Heh….all in all, your advice and painting of that scenario makes good sense to me. Well said, sir.
Women yak about “true love” 24 hrs a day but say there’s twin brothers. One drives a bus and the other runs & owns a Microsoft sized tech business. The bus driver would need God himself to get a date with the local Roseanne Barr clone while the other would have a daily line of hot women 40 blocks long applying for a date.
You’re also quite correct that women somehow have the ability at any time to walk away with no regrets whatsoever. Taking as much as they can on the way out of course.
Haha…lastly, again I think you’re right in that the dude simply has to pony up and walk away without a second glance. Just like a woman.
No one said it would be easy!
“This site has become a parody of itself” -e-
I disagreE, E.
I read a lot of posts (yours, Lbend’s, several others) in such agreement that there seems little need to respond.*
“These two get-a-life people must tie up close to 60% of every week’s thread, mostly with sandbox-level turd-throwing. It’s actually kind of humorous.” -e, in reference to mika/met and a..-
I don’t mind mika so much, even though I think he’s dead wrong about 75% of the time – he’s got a linear and honest viewpoint all to himself that makes him interesting. Plus, it’s interesting to watch him slowly change and watch his thoughts evolve. (fewer and fewer “fscks,” for example, as time goes by.
Asoka.’ basic dishonesty makes him a waste of space, although the thread does get quiet when he’s not around. Some of his multitudes spread hate, though. If that’s his purpose, he’s in the right place.
Have a good new week, E and CFN!
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So this is just an ‘urban legend’.
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby nameta9 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:26 pm
Please scroll past these blocks of texts. Please erase all of my posts from the Internet. Please erase the Internet. Thank you. No Rights Reserved, all of these blocks of text do not belong to anybody since they were not written by anybody; they are machine generated; feel free to pollute the internet by copying them and posting them anywhere, but please DO NOT POLLUTE THE INTERNET ANY FURTHER ! Thank You.
The Laws of Indentity and Non Contradiction are Impossible
Uh, oh, here we go again. I know, you will all say but you are using those laws to demonstrate that they are not true: but we always use things as though they were outside of themselves to pretend that they are false, eveything is outside of itself and disjoint, everything is using itself outside of itself to contradict itself and such (add as much confusion as possible, the confusion and vague mode of thought will set you free), everything is the outside looking in and using itself, or better instances of itself as distinct entitites, etc. (and the imporant thing is only if the block of text, the sequeuce of symbols “makes you feel good”, as if “you have achieved” and “won”, and you force it, just win and feel good, just do it, ignore all the clowns who want to contradict you, they are jealous and envious that you have won and feel good (and we can even just feel good independent of any sequence of symbols, just because, for fun, and then associate that feeling with any sequence and make yourself win and feel better ever more as in pure delusion of self, ever more pure delusion, lie, as in lying to yourself, illusions will set you free, ever more illusions..)).
If something is always different from other entitites and distinct then nothing could possibly exist because all entities would have to be ever different and not even separate space or points in time could cancel the fact that at least something, somewhere must be pure contradiction acheived, must deny and contradict the laws of identity: if you take the limit of any entity as space and time and any other properties tend towards zero and consider all of its constituent parts as those limits tend to zero, as the constituents become ever more smaller, but always distinct, you would reach a point of the entity simply vanishing since it could not support the rule of identity past a certain point, it would have to be a pure monolithic slab of contradiction and identity denied in order to simply exist, the algortihm and computer program of the law of identity and non contradiction must abruptly end in order for it to even exist, the monolithic slab of pure contradiction would have to be a distinct, disjoint delimited section of existence somewhat analogous to the limits of the observable universe, to a black hole event horizon and such, it would have to be a kind of reference point against which the rest of the ensemble of existing entites would compare themselves in order to exist, it would have to be a point zero in a reference system of reciprocal definitions…
But this slab of pure contradiction isn’t in any point of space or time, isn’t anywhere, but exactly for this is everywhere in a sense, of course, the abstractions and denotations continue to be ever harder to comprehend for our puny mind, but the sense of all is pure contradiction, pure non identity, all is the opposite of itself, all is a contradiction of its own existence, the laws of identity and non contradiction are the greatest lie and hoax in history, are totally impossible and crazy. There. I said it.
Now go on, and say I am wrong, go on and don’t make me win, but I win always, I win! I win! there, go away cray babies, I win! I win!
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Postby nameta9 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:03 pm
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/murmuration.html
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So,now that the Laws of Identity and Non Contradiction have been totally refuted, have been finally demonstrated to be false, we can finally solve all of the “Unresolved Internal Conflicts” Reality (and Man Brains, especially) have: we can now invent all and have fun, we can transform reality into what we want it to be, no longer slaves of logic, and fixed circuits, now we are finally free, free your mind, you are free, God has finally set you free.
THis implies that making things up, saying lies, all kinds of lies is the truth, lies are all true now, you are allowed to SAY THINGS WHICH ARE NOT TRUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BECOME THE BOSS OF REALITY, YOU HAVE BECOME YOUR OWN BOSS!!!
PLease, tell me lies, please lets create a new fake reality full of lies, please all lie, lie forever, make it pretty, make it better, I don’t care if it is true or false, just lie and make it pretty, pretty please, will you ?
And Jesus Speaks to Little Children and
BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby nameta9 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:48 pm
There is a simpler way to refute and demolish the laws of Identity and Non Contradiction: In order to state them, their opposite must exist, they must be compared to what their reciprocal would state, they must create their own existence by measuring themselves (and being measured by other entities and Other Observers ) against what they would mean if they weren’t true. But since all Metaphysical Items and Entities have existence because they are independent of any kinds of constraints, those laws are false.
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby nameta9 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:53 pm
nameta9 wrote:
This is real science since the simplest explanation is the correct one and no explanation is the correct one and best one. But even if this explanation is wrong, well who cares ? Be Your Own Boss.
So just sh*t on the Internet as much as you want, write anything at all, no matter how wrong, idiotic and insane, just BS forever on the Internet, it is all OK, it is all fine, it is all good…
Write as many false and wrong ideas as possible, be creative and colorful, go man go, you can do it, just do it….
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby nameta9 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:39 am
From:
http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/murmuration.html
The Laws of Identity and Non Contradiction (should more correctly be named the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, since they are the very first principles from which all else is derived from) is in truth a Momentary Lapse of Reasoning “Matter” or “Mass Energy” or more correctly the “Monolithic Slab of Pure Existence as Delimited by Logical Entities” has in order to momentarily observe itself, contradict itself and then vanish again to where it all belongs, namely a place where all contradictions are operating, nothing is identified as distinct from anything else, all is real and fake, and so on, the more absurd and crazy the closer we get to some very remote and vague and indirect approximation of what all of reality is.
Obviously, the above block of text has absolutely nothing to do with what I wanted to say, it is 100 % unrelated, disjoint and not connected or associated with what I wanted to express…good luck in trying to figure out what I wanted to say…
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby Tork » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:47 pm
nameta9 wrote:From:
And Jesus Speaks to Little Children and
BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
So sad that you’re the only one that is realizing your on to something….
Love the Diary/Journal.
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Re: Information Relationship
Postby nameta9 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:41 pm
Is Reality Physics – Mathematics ?
The unreasonable precision with which mathematics describes reality has always puzzled physicists. The reason is most likely because the reality described is not really a reality and is much more so a Technology: an invention, mostly a machine, as most of those equations and interactions and experiments and laws have been furnished by how machines and devices interact with some kind of detached reality, a reality that is in essence pretty far away from nature, if with nature you mean the pure random blind forces operating under nature like inside stars (plasmas), the forces modeling the earth (earthquakes, mountain formation), the weather and most of the random natural events that occur like ocean waves and their exact form and design (can you predict them with mathematical precision ?). Of course we know and can apply mathematics to all of such, we know the general forces and such, but the precision is no longer “unreasonable”.
So what scientists do is confuse technology with nature, confuse a mathematical model and description and design of technological machines with nature, as if the technology is nature: but it is not so, technology is a very specifically configured slab of matter that closely follows and abides to mental, linguistic and especially mathematical models: what came first the technological machine and interaction or the mental mathematical model ? Mostly the other way around, the mental mathematical models influenced what kinds of contraptions we would design according to clear cut needs and functions according to how we interact with reality.
SO in essence, there is no “unreasonable precision” of mathematics to reality, but only a mostly reasonable precision of mathematics to machines that interact with reality and confuses us into thinking that they are reality. Like a particle accelerator: are they simply studying an engineered device or really studying the laws of physics ?
Matter is set up so as to express mathematical relationships, so as to emphasize mathematical relationships. Our mathematical models are more than anything mostly machines, mental models of machines that are providing us a function and as such easily lend themselves to models and especially mathematical models. Since the functions and operations the machines must provide have been defined and created within a mental model of reality through language, they already, from the outset have properties that imply models and eventually mathematical, precision models, models where you can apply equations and predictions and perfect them accordingly, but because the function is clearly defined and clearly delimited by language and the model and then mathematical models further delimit and perfect them: and then machines are designed and constructed and experimented within a very controlled and predictable environment, no free wills opposing their forces to what the machines must do, no random forces and quirk details messing up models like what happens in most of real natural systems and not modelized and forced systems carving their function out of reality, by force.
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Postby nameta9 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:52 pm
At what point does a technology become a science ? at what point do we confuse a technology with science ? When did computer become “Computer Science” so to say, and is it a Natural Science ? If so then why isn’t the game of Chess also simply a Natural Science ? and then why not Soccer or American Football a science ? a real science ? In this respect, we are not the “View from Nowhere” that science supposes it has, we are always the view from somewhere, from someplace, from some cultural or experience reference system, from some language construct, thought construct and memory organization of knowledge implied by a culture, civilization, tribe.
The discrepancies: the three body problem has no analytical solution (no precise solution in mathematical terms), the differential equations describing mathematical physics have very rarely precise, closed form analytical solutions, initial conditions must be imposed but are always iffy, random, not sure and not precise, non linearities abound, chaotic systems discovered, the butterfly effect ? and mostly look around you, can you give me the equation and precise solution that determined a given design of a given mountain ? can you precisely predict the exact shape of the next waveform of an ocean wave ? can you tell me exactly where the next raindrop will fall ? (but then again nature operates by simply yes and no and some intermediate state, it doesn’t need precision, it doesn’t care about precision, nature is very approximate, likes to make rough approximations like it will rain today or it will not, it doesn’t even know or have within itself the precise capability to know, care or even imagine where the exact next raindrop will fall, it knows it only after the fact, nay, not even after the fact, not even history is true, nay, it doesn’t and will never know, nothing will ever know, not even knowing itself knows…). These are all the walls of the reference system science is boxed up in, its perfect mathematical viewpoint breaks down as soon as you exit its reference system: in that case only the interaction and measurement and observation gives you some information, but information that rarely can be built upon to create a prediction as in : Thought is the Sickness, Measurements and Observations are the Cure.
When I saw the first pictures of the neural circuits in brains, I was amazed by how random, chaotic and non sensical it seemed, since I was used to digital electronics and Microprocessor Schematics. Now, I know that reality has no sense or logic, only that which we impose upon it by our thought, logic and our own schematics.
So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don’t notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imagined up to now…
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Postby nameta9 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:38 pm
Amplify Random
Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in buildings in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.
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Postby nameta9 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:13 pm
As an example, all places have the Standard International buildings, boxes, midrises, suburb houses and such. But many cities have a structure where everyplace, every street or corner has a signature, is different from any other street or combination (in same city) as opposed to others that are very monotonous like London. Tokyo or Seoul or Paris have each place and street with a signature, London most places are the same style houses so very few signature.
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Postby nameta9 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:57 am
Also, in brainium, if everything is a brain, then there are more brains than information for those brains to process, it is the other way around, there is not enough information for the brains themselves to process, hence they process other brains, and even the information becomes brains, etc. all reciprocal.
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In particular, Capitol’s album mirrors the structure Wilson brought to his 2004 recording while using the Beach Boys’ performances at the height of their vocal abilities, captured by Wilson at his creative peak as a composer, arranger and producer.
Told of the many younger musicians who cite “Smile” as a key influence, Wilson, who often has expressed uncertainty about the effect his music has had on audiences, offered just one word: “Really?”
“When I discovered ‘Pet Sounds,’ it changed my life” said Andrew McMahon, 29, of indie pop band Jack’s Mannequin. “It’s informed a lot of what I’ve gone forward doing as an artist,” McMahon said. “You never want to get caught in that spot, making something you can’t finish. It’s a scary thought, and I’ve had that feeling: ‘This can’t be my “Smile.” I’ve got to get this done.'”
As for any broader assessment of the recordings that influenced generations and, in many respects, represented Wilson’s Waterloo nearly half a century ago, the former Beach Boy said, “I’m stripped. I’m at a loss as to what to think.”
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poultry: duck head, lips, goose, duck wings, duck tongue, goose wings, duck goose, chicken, chicken wings, Dirty, boneless chicken
pill categories: prime balls, meat balls, fish balls and other
soy products: tofu, yuba, frozen tofu, Yuba, beans, sticks and other
Here tendons with mushrooms, mushroom, lotus root, lettuce, mushrooms, pork, celery, cauliflower and spicy frying pan
1, spices:
(800 grams, the amount of material that can increase or decrease according to their own material, but not too much of each dish, 6-50-100 g pot of eight varieties better)
spicy pot of spices: the old oil (five sesame oil) 100ml, Pixian (chopped) 2 tablespoons (30ml), homemade pot bottom material 50 grams of dried chili section 80 grams, ginger 15 grams, 20 grams of garlic, scallion 15 grams of cooking wine 1 tablespoon (15ml) sugar 2 teaspoons (10ml), where appropriate, add salt, a small amount of chicken, white sesame amount, amount of coriander oil
old material: star anise 2, pepper 5 grams grass fruit a dry pepper 10 grams fennel 5 grams allspice 1, kaempferol 1, smoke Gui 1, geraniol 2, salad oil
2, practice:
(1), the practice of the old oil, this oil because it will absorb the flavor of spices particularly tasty, in addition to fried spicy pot, you can also do boiled fish, salad. Practice: practice: the pot into the oil, the star anise, pepper, dried pepper, strawberry, kaempferol, cinnamon, bay leaves into the low heat heat, until the spices into pieces brown, remove and spices do not, the oil to be with.
(2), fried spicy pot process to prepare the materials to the roots washed silk mushroom into small pieces; mushrooms to the root cut into small pieces; lettuce peeled and cut into thick strips; lotus root, peeled cut into thin slices; fungus with blisters, wash stalks; Peel pork into thin slices; celery cut into segments to the old leaves to the root; cauliflower picking into small pieces, wash. Anyway, the production of materials to prepare a preliminary processing.
(3), the addition of other materials, followed by pork into boiling water cooked, pay attention to the furnace, the materials such as lettuce crisp taste slightly cooked on the line, do not cook soft. Make spicy pot most of the material requires prior processing, cooked or boiled water, oil Zhashu, so for quick stir fry. Good material to drain water treatment, or spicy pot will make the water of.
4, the surface of the dried peppers clean with a wet towel, cut into segments, pepper seeds do not, if you use the kind of peppers you can not cut.
5, boil hot, put the old oil, add dried hot pepper Fried future, be careful not to fry color, and fragrance oil red came out immediately to remove, drain the oil aside.
6, Stir the oil into the pork, stir slowly get to do some good, if you do not like pork fried Pixian can directly and seasoning the pot.
7, saute and add Pixian pot bottom material, Stir marked and flavor.
8, add ginger, garlic and saute.
9, turn into the material, fire-resistant first-place candidate (such as mushrooms, cauliflower) after the release of heat intolerance (such as lettuce), deft hands and feet stir evenly, add wine and stir well.
10, the pre-fried with dried red pepper into fried. Add sugar, salt (as the case, watercress, pot spices are salt), chicken (depending on individual taste) seasoning, stir well, sprinkle with sesame seeds and a bowl containing parsley.
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materials: rice, egg, fried fritters, pork, green onion. Spices: salt.
practice:
1. Rice washing clean first, then put into a container, add salt and dip in water for a while, about half an hour on it; preserved eggs stripped Peel Ding; fritters also cut the same size small; onion mince.
2. Wash the pork into the pot cooked, do not cut, take a small piece of cooked directly on it, do not seasoned, cooked remove and let cool, then hand torn pork. Of course, put the meat in preserved egg porridge can also be pre-marinated bacon.
3. To take to pot into the water boil, and then just soaked into the rice, followed by pork and then into the small part of the preserved eggs, boil, turn a small fire, slowly stewed, time and patience would be best to allow boil an hour or so, to thick porridge Ruannuo can, if they do not insist that rice can be cooked, too, drink, and finally the need to taste and then add the appropriate salt seasoning, onion, fritters, and the small remaining part of the preserved eggs, sprinkle the time to eat porridge on it.
seafood wonton noodles
Material: instant noodles (with Longxumian best, home, I just used instant noodles), ravioli (their package Ye Hao, buy ready-made if you like) , prawns, vegetables, soup (bone soup, chicken soup can), seaweed, mushrooms, onion, dried shrimps. Spices: salt, chicken powder, pepper, sesame oil.
practice:
1. Peel the prawns, to the head, remove the gut, keep the tail, so it looks better to do, wash the shrimp processing; rape rape take heart clean; mushroom foam hair, the mood can be a knife crosswise, so that the upcoming bowl in front of him which is more beautiful; washed mince onion.
2. materials are ready, take to the soup pot, add appropriate amount of water, boil, and then down into the pasta and ravioli, cooked fish, I use instant noodles, you can first remove what Shaozhu , and since it is summer, so look over the cooked noodles to the water.
3. If there is stock, then the taste will be better, we would be another pot of boiling broth, if not just cooking with soup on the soup can, shrimp boil, then add mushrooms, dried shrimps, seaweed, vegetables, then add pepper, salt, chicken powder, sesame oil, seasoning, and finally into the ravioli and noodles in the soup and adjust seasoning, sprinkle with scallions the end.
spin minced meat pie
materials: water dough 1 (after the dough with water practice)
fillings: meat , green onion, salt and pepper, (you can also put a small amount of shrimp).
practice:
1. the meat, green onion, salt and pepper stir; the water dough kneading, rubbing strips.
2. will be a good long rub into several small portions, roll into a round o
f dough, meat with a spoon to spread evenly in the roll of dough into a wafer, and roll up.
3. volume growth and then roll into a snail-shaped strip, slightly flattened, gently roll a roll, a minced meat pie spin on the well.
4. in order to do all of the tortillas, cooked in the can into the pan, you can also use the oven to 200 degrees oven baked.
practice water dough: Ingredients: flour, 300 grams, boiling water, 150 grams, 60 grams of cold water. 1 Sift the flour, the flour into the boiling water, flour and boiling water with chopsticks into a coarse granular Hunban. 2 hand rub. 3 and then increased slightly, whilst cold water. 4 cold water rub it into the dough completely. 5 wake surface, the smoothness of the dough significant change, then you can use a rolling pin to form a whole variety of open-water pasta.
delicious burritos
Material: Chunbing, Sauce, Cucumber, Onion.
spices: sweet sauce, hot pepper sauce.
practice: 1 Wash the cucumber, cut into strips; onions Wash and cut thick wire; Sauce cut into thick slices back. (2) into the steamer will Chunbing 5 minutes, remove the paving, add a layer of sweet bean paste and hot pepper sauce, then put on the Sauce, cucumber and onion, wrapped tightly roll into a roll, all for the two oblique knife on it.
homemade pancake required materials:
300 g flour 450 ml cold water 1 tablespoon salt and starch. a little salad oil 2 tablespoons diced green onion 1 egg a little
practice:
1. the flour, cold water, starch, salt, salad mix, stir, wake up about 15 minutes. Amount of these materials according to their need to reduce. For breakfast, then we should reduce the weight of. This tune is a good batter can then adjust the stiffness of.
2. pan brush a thin layer of oil, heat and pour into a tablespoon of batter, spread into the dough until the dough into an egg after coagulation, the same operation as the share of pancakes, eggs with a spatula to stir powder, so the egg mixture evenly covering the dough, the egg will be solidified when the cake rolled up, we must not completely solidified at the time the egg roll, wrapped in order to shape.
3. roll look after a small fire and fry until the egg rolls color, as you can out of the golden, cut plate and you can eat.
do tomato ham volume of material needed: eggs .. half .. 3 tomatoes or 1 / 4 onion .1 / 4 ham …… a salt, pepper …… the little (in the egg mixture to add a little salt and pepper.)
practice:
1 ready materials, are ordinary common. 2 eggs into the bowl, 2 or 3. 3. tomatoes, onions, ham, cut into small.
4. Remove the pan, heat, pour a little oil, saute the onion over medium heat. 5 Add tomatoes Ding, ham to saute. Then you can pour the egg mixture. 6 egg is about to be solidified, it will be rolled up pancake, fry golden brown pan can be cut into sections.
Mushrooms and chicken porridge required materials: half a cup of rice .. mushrooms .. 2 flowers, half a chicken breast .. (thigh meat also), the amount of corn grain .., .. a small piece of carrot, 1 teaspoon salt ……
practice:
1. rice washing clean, into the soup pot, into the amount of water, open fire to boil, boil, turn a small fire.
2. after a small fire to wash carrots, mushrooms, and carrots, thinly Ding; mushrooms Diqie pieces, sliced ??mushrooms and cook into porridge, looks very attractive, beautiful, I think so.
3. Wash chicken breast, I like a knife slice into small pieces at random, the shape does not have to rule. Cut into any shape you can be satisfied. I do not pickled chicken breast, did not do any processing. You can advance with their own preferences about taste tune it.
4. and so the pot of porridge is almost cooked, that is, rice flower, and you can add corn kernels, carrots, mushroom pieces, stir well and cook on a while, so they are off after birth, put the cut into small pieces of chicken breast poured into the pot, then stir with chopsticks to open, so they quickly boiled, add chicken breast I like this time, these details can cook with the owner’s preferences and habits freely adjusted.
5. Finally, add a little salt to taste look like. Fragrant warm, made porridge is not bad, are suitable for adults and children.
materials: shrimp, scallions and egg.
spices: salt, warm water, chicken powder, sesame oil.
practice:
1. the shrimp processing clean, just take shrimp. Knock eggs into the bowl.
2. the egg, adding a small amount of salt and chicken powder seasoning, put less salt must, eggs which itself contains a small amount of salt.
3. and then prepare a cup of warm water (30 degrees), or chicken soup, the warm water into the egg, water and egg ratio of about 2 to 1. Then stir in one direction, the bubble above clean. Pour the egg mixture is warm water is best, do not add water and hot water. Because the water in the air, the water is boiling, the air discharge, there will be cellular custard, custard affect the quality and taste, nutrition will suffer. Do not use boiling water, otherwise it will become the egg drop soup, so go steaming, nutritional damage, not even the steamed custard. It is best to use warm water or cold water Chawanmushi, so can guarantee the taste, but also to ensure appearance. Amount of water is also very important, too little will make the taste of custard relatively tight older, too much custard and easy to shape, the taste will be the water of the. Playing the egg, the egg and do not stir fierce, fierce in the mix or for a long time before steaming stir the egg mixture will foam egg, it is best to lay the egg, add water, stir to break up and then slightly .
materials: toast pieces, breast of chicken, carrot grain, corn, peas.
spices: salt, pepper, cooking wine, sugar, sesame oil. (Like the color of some weight, they can still add some light soy sauce)
practice:
1. The four edges of the toast pieces removed (to remove the side can eat), then cut into several small square pieces, cut into any shape as you intended.
2. Wash chicken breasts chopped into a pulpy, into the container, add carrots, grain, peas, corn, salt, pepper, cooking wine, sugar, sesame oil and mix well. Carrot grain, peas, corn kernels can be more appropriate then minced.
3. The stirred wine to toast chicken-on-chip, in turn do a good job.
4. Amount of oil into the pot, pour the amount of oil is free, and you want to pour some oil on the multi-fried, you feel more than a bad oil, and trouble, then pour the amount of cooking oil, Zhashu, fried are you familiar with the arrangement, in short, take a piece of bread will taste the exciting moment to do a good breakfast – I think this road is also possible to use the oven ~
Eight waves eggs need to be prepared materials:
eggs, pork …… …… 2 …… 10 grams 10 grams peas, carrots …. .. mushrooms …… 10 g 10 g 10 g
lettuce shrimp .. .. .. 10 g 10 g squid 1 tsp sugar, salt … a little wine .. .. a little water, starch … a little
practice:
1. Beat eggs, add amount of warm water about 30 degrees, plus a little salt and pepper mix, filter to a steaming bowl with a strainer, steam Wangai in plastic wrap, until the steamer steamer water boil, cover pot cover the gap will remain steam cooked custard.
2. Wash the other necessary raw materials, all cut Ding spare.
3. to take to a small soup pot, add some water to boil, first put the vegetables small, add diced meat, shrimp and small, are the raw materials needed blanch again. 4 and then take to the hot pot, do not put the oil pan, add a little broth, then add all the ingredients just burns boiled, then add salt, sugar, cooking wine notes about taste, boiled, water, starch, starch, Remove the steamed custard, to make gravy just pour in the egg on top.
ham roll vegetable materials used:
ham …… 4 …… 35 g cabbage .. carrots …… …. 35 g onion 35 g
asparagus, mushrooms ….. so yo
ur favorite vegetables can all be …… 35 g of cheese slices or cheese wire …… salt, white pepper …… amount
practice:
1. materials and preparation needed : ham slices, vegetables, cut thick wire, cheese slices folded over and then cut into strips.
2. processing vegetable silk: the addition of vegetables other than onions, boil water, add two spoonfuls of salt in boiling water, remove and drain the water. Into a large container, add salt and pepper mix.
3. make ham roll (pictured): smoothing the ham, put the marinated vegetables, add the cheese roll up of the flow, and fixed with a toothpick. Good ham roll pan can be heated slightly to melt the cheese inside the can. You can also use the microwave, like ham, cheese and more can be re-covered with a chip. Made of baked, just ham roll side by side into the oven, then sprinkle cheese evenly on top of wire, placed in preheated 200 degree oven, bake for about six minutes, until cheese melts into a golden brown.
shrimp sandwich
row materials: shrimp, whole wheat bread, sliced ??cheese, tomatoes, lettuce, eggs.
spices: salad dressing, salt, cooking wine, pepper.
practice:
1. shrimp only take shrimp, cleaned mince, or puree in blender can also be labeled; and then into a container, add a little salt, cooking wine, pepper, pickled a little while , less salt must be put oh ~
2. eggs add a little water and mix, then spread into a pancake into the pan, in order to increase the thickness of pancake, you can fold the pancake.
3. with a good share of the shrimp cakes pan fried pancake, fry a small fire can be slow.
4. will Jianhao shrimp cake, pancake, and sliced ??cheese, tomatoes, whole wheat bread knife cut the same size were to change the side pieces, scraps to eat.
5. Finally, whole wheat bread all the materials can be clamped together, and do not forget to add a layer of each intermediate are salad dressing. Finally available toothpick fixed.
French toast
Material: 4 white toast, jam amount, 2 eggs, milk 125 ml.
practice:
1. Beat eggs with milk after a mix, egg mixture back into milk.
2. toast even after the cast to the side jam, every two stacked adhesive, again cut into triangles, place the egg in the milk wrap it.
3. pan to the fire by adding appropriate amount of olive oil heat transfer medium heat, gently toast in egg picked up from the milk into the pot, slowly fry the sides and then the three color a side of fried color can be.
4. to eat when you can sprinkle some powdered sugar or with honey.
fruit oat milk
Material: instant oatmeal 2 tablespoons milk 1 cup apple 1 / 4 banana 1 / 2, some raisins.
practice:
1. oatmeal with half a cup of boiling water.
2. bananas, peeled, sliced, diced apple.
3. milk add oatmeal and mix well, then add bananas, apples, sprinkle with raisins you can eat.
potato salad sandwiches required materials:
black rice potatoes, toast …… 5 …… 1 egg Apple …… …… a half or a
salad dressing …… salt, white pepper ….. .
a little practice:
1. potatoes washed, peeled thick slices, potato chips look washed with water, then take to a small soup pot, into the amount of water, washed into the potato chips and eggs, the different cooked together.
2. apple, peeled, cut into chunks, soaked in salt water, to prevent discoloration, will stay together and then cooked chopped potatoes.
3. Remove the cooked potatoes, cut Ding, Ding Apple also cut, soft-boiled eggs, chopped together into a container, then add salad dressing and mix well.
4. Black rice toast cut into any shape, or make cookies with your little mold is pressed into various shapes.
5. to deal with a good roasted slice of bread, oven baked or pan tightly about the oil can. Do not omit this step is best ~
6. The folder into toast to potato salad. These sandwiches for dinner when it is produced, whether young friends, or to please the children, are applicable.
Blue Ribbon Pork materials:
pork tenderloin …… a cheese ham … …… 2 … 2 eggs, flour …… …… 1 …… a little bit of bread crumbs salt, pepper The amount of powder ……
practice:
1. prepare a fillet, or loin meat ready, prepared meat should not be too small.
2. the entire fillet into two pieces, preferably thinner.
3. and then hammer gently tap the meat is meat thinning larger, beat the time mat plastic wrap.
4. will beat a good meat into the market, adding a little salt and pepper marinated for a while.
5. take this time to prepare some of the flour.6 a bread crumbs.7 an egg.
8. pave the meat, and now the top layer of ham. 9 pieces in a layer of cheese.
❤ vegetable soup
get ready Ingredients: tomatoes, carrots, onions, celery, 1 clove garlic,
broth (chicken soup on the line , now cold, the soup more and more opportunities, if do not have ready stock available, you can use a soup instead of treasure.)
pinch of salt ; pepper cream (can use milk instead)
practice:
1. the These vegetables washed,Tommy Hilfiger Shirts, cut into small pieces, garlic, do not cut.
2. take a small soup pot, put the fire without fuel, heat and pour into all the vegetables and garlic, fry these materials soft, then add water or broth covered with these materials.
3. If you add the water, you can throw a small piece of treasure into the soup slowly over low heat – cook, cook to soft rot and then all the material off the fire.
4. the cooked soup into the side of the dry look, and then poured into the mixer, the food break.
5. now do the same as other soup, the soup should be played down in the skillet, fire and continue to cook, seasoning with salt and pepper and finally add whipped cream Serve, recipe books often say: stew and then whipped, then skillet stew, is the key to delicious soup. Pour soup back to pot when cooking, stirring frequently to avoid splashing out hot soup to your ~
6. Choose a coffee cup, poured into a soup with chopped parsley (supermarkets sell, such as new World supermarkets, Carrefour) dotted about, how hard can you say romantic, this simple cup of soup can give you a lot of atmosphere.
tofu burger row to prepare material:
tofu meat … .. a small amount of half a small carrot, mushrooms … … a little
salt, ginger .. … .. 1 tsp cooking wine 1 tsp soy sauce 1 tsp .. starch, a little sesame oil .. .. a little pepper.
a little flour, egg, bread crumbs.
appropriate practice:
1. tofu entire into the boiling water pot, blanch look out, mashed into a container, if your tofu a lot of water, you can use a small filter to filter excess water, then add a little salt and pepper to taste , put aside.2 Wash the mushrooms and carrots are chopped.
3. meat into the container, add a little ginger, salt, cooking wine, soy sauce, sesame oil, pepper, whipped to pull its weight, then add bean curd, mud handling, mushrooms and carrots broken pieces, then add a little starch , mix well. If you added more meat, tofu is relatively small, you can add eggs to the meat inside. If you are worried about a bad place to grasp the amount of spices, such as tofu clay can be added after the reunification of meat seasoning.
4. to make the tofu filling into a number of copies, made a number of small cakes, shape and size are random, with best matches the size of bread you choose, and then turn wrapped in flour, egg, bread crumbs, the next small pot gently into golden yellow on it. Specific heat and the time involved in your food consumption, this dish to determine the appearance of raw and cooked food is more accurate. When frying small fire, so as to make the skin color slowly, the food inside has enough time to slowly heat until cooked, not a paste out of the wok, and which has not had time to heat
.
cabbage pancake, required materials:
dough required materials: flour 150 grams .300 grams of boiling water, cold water, .60 .. grams (using a water dough)
stuffing materials needed: 300 g cabbage .. onions .. shrimp .30 grams less than half root a little white sesame seeds … salt white pepper.
a little sesame oil .. a little practice:
1. Wash cabbage, shredded ; washed mince onion back.
2. pot add a little oil, heat and pour into spring onion, Stir the fragrance into the shrimp, cabbage wire, fry Caisi soft, add salt, white pepper, sesame oil seasoning, stir-fry evenly after the fire, filling the well.
3. Sift flour, add boiling water while using chopsticks while Hunban into coarse granular, and then knead by hand, then again increased slightly, whilst cold water, rub it into the cold water completely dough, kneaded dough on the side of the wake 15 minutes or so.
4. the dough into a small number of copies of the dough with a rolling pin to roll the dough into small discs, including into the fried filling, flatten into cakes, cookies, brush the surface with a brush in a layer of water, then dipped a layer of white sesame seeds, followed by doing all of the tortillas.
5. Finally, pan fried on it, the stuffing is cooked Well, do not fry too long, as long as both sides of the color, golden brown enough. Practice with the pie looks almost ready, I feel a lot more than pie to light, delicious a lot. Sam Sun tofu soup
materials need to be prepared:
tofu shrimp …… …… 300 g 100 g peas …… 20 grams of corn kernels ….. …… 1 egg 30 g amount of stock ……
salt …… …… 2 teaspoon cooking wine 1 teaspoon white pepper … a little amount of water, starch … amount of sesame oil .. parsley .. 1-2 root
practice:
1. Wash tofu, cut into Ding, tofu when you can from the back cut, cut at the same time can be hand hold him down, so tofu does not always stick to the knife on the.
2. prawns just take shrimp and prawns with a knife in the back cut open, remove the shrimp line, this treatment will do more like shrimp shrimp ~
3. eggs and mix into egg mixture.
4. Now you can soup, and also less than a drop of oil, broth or water into the pot to boil, then add tofu, shrimp, cooked, add peas, corn kernels and continue to cook, transferred to salt , soy sauce, cooking wine, white pepper mix evenly, Drizzle water, starch hook thin gravy, then pour the beaten egg along Guobian, after Danhua Drizzle with sesame oil, sprinkle with parsley on it, very simple very tasty, you can immediately go home from work drink and delicious warm soup. Adding water, the amount of starch can be adjusted, some of the more viscous like to eat more. Pour the egg mixture along Guobian time to fall, so the egg mixture solidified after stirring, this will make Danhua beautiful ~
Congxiang Melaleuca meatloaf required materials:
300-400 grams of pig meat flour .. .. 200 g chives or green onions .. eggs .. a
amount of salt. .1 tsp cooking wine 1 tsp soy sauce 2 tsp soy sauce .. .. .. a little sesame oil 1 tsp ginger .. a little .1 tsp pepper salad .. a little
practice:
1. onions washed, cut green onion back; ginger mince spare.
2. through the flour and knead into a dough kneading.
3. in the meat in salt, cooking wine, ginger, soy sauce, soy sauce, sesame oil, pepper, salad mix, and then into an egg and continue whipping until the meat to pull its weight.
4. meat, green onion, after the dough is ready to start doing.
5. figure practice with the scallion pancakes folding method is the same, take a small piece of dough, roll the dough into a circle, with a spoon evenly coated with a layer of meat, then sprinkle a layer of chopped green onion, in accordance with Note the black line under the icon on the location plan 4 knives, and then in accordance with image layers of folding up on it, and finally roll into a round cake pan can be cooked. Do not worry, when fried, fried unfamiliar fear will be too thick, so long as you’ve got enough to see the golden skin, and there is absolutely cooked a good grasp of the furnace, it will not appear have been charred skin, but not inside cooked to the phenomenon of eating do not forget to add a little vinegar, garlic, and then point a few drops of chili oil, sesame oil ~
chestnut porridge materials needed:
rice or rice .. 100 grams (also may have put some rice and glutinous rice) Chestnut .10 (approximately 150 grams on the line)
osmanthus sugar or sugar .. amount (hold the sauce is also good to drink)
practice:
1. approach is very simple, chestnuts washed into the water pot cooked, then remove and peel, and then polished mixer into a powder.
2. glutinous rice or rice washing clean, if it is glutinous rice to soak into the water to the grain full water-swelling, and then with the amount of water into the pot, the fire to boil, turn heat and simmer about 30 minutes. If you like the whole chestnuts or chestnuts into small, it is now necessary to put together and porridge cooked ~
3.30 minutes after adding chestnut flour and continue to cook about 20 minutes to rotten rice porridge thick, sprinkled with sugar osmanthus sugar or seasoning. Golden Calamari
materials required:
squid rings (or squid, cut into their circle) bread flour eggs ; cornstarch or flour
spices: salt, pepper, cooking wine
practice:
1. We need to prepare the material, I use ready-made squid rings, squid rings to buy clean, tear film, into the container. If you buy a squid, it should deal with their own clean, cut into rings, squid in the pick, the best choice body more symmetrical, so that will be cut out of the squid rings are similar. Three containers were prepared and then, turn into the beaten eggs, cornstarch or flour, bread flour, so help us the following operations.
2. fried foods can be used with some vegetables to eat, this is more refreshing, tired of the solution, you can choose your favorite side dishes made of vegetables and salad, in salad by adding 2 tsp red wine vinegar ~ sour taste better acid is very appetizing – or add a few drops of lemon juice is the same ~
3. are ready to start production in squid add salt, pepper, cooking wine, salt a little bit, and then we prepared earlier It took over three plates, the squid rings in turn wrapped in pickled good flour, egg, bread crumbs.
4. in order to do all of the squid rings into the oil pan, till hot nowadays Liu Qicheng into squid rings, fry until golden. Fried squid rings of oil must not be too hot, so very easy to lay out the squid rings. Time should not be too long, golden brown skin on it – this will be crisp outside and tender and very tasty – squid rings which make up, with your favorite dipping sauce and eat with fruit juice – fried squid circle can be dipped in tomato sauce, salad dressing or dip can also salt and pepper, taste very good ~
crispy red bean used materials:
oil skin: .200 grams of flour (do not worry, there is no flour does not matter, it said the same dessert can be made with ordinary flour)
.. 40 grams sugar 100 grams of water ..
.40 grams butter pastry: flour …… …… 60 g 120 g of salad oil around fillings: red beans …… 500 grams (need a night of soaking time, so to do before pre-soaked, red beans can also be replaced with green beans, green bean cake made of clearing away heat) …… amount of sugar (you can also add some sweet-scented osmanthus, or honey)
practice:
1 Sift the flour, respectively, two kinds of surface and good about half an hour on the side of relaxation.
2. dough relaxation time we use to deal with red bean paste, the early dip in one night of red beans into the pot, add the right amount of water, open Simmer beans, red beans and cook until the Sulan, no soup, and you can off the fire. Red beans as it has been soaked for a night, so very well cooked, boiled beans will not last lo
ng split, to achieve our desired effects. Add the cooked beans in the amount of sugar, and stir constantly with a spoon, rolling, not all smashed, keep some beans, so it will taste best. So even if the red bean filling well.
3. The following do oil pastry bag, the skin is red bean approach. The wake of the oil over the skin, crisp rub strips, respectively, and divided into 10 segments.
4. take an oil-skin, roll flat, into a pastry bag, seal clenched, to avoid pastry leak. Wake up to do this step after 3-5 minutes.
5. flatten the dough with the palm of your hand, then rolling pin roll growth strip, and then it rolled up. Wake up to do this step after 3-5 minutes.
6. and then hand pressed flat, roll into strips, then rolled up, and then wake up for 3-5 minutes. Then wake up this little roll the dough into a round good dough on it.
7. the last packet into the red bean paste, made cookies, shape.
8. in the cookies, brush the surface of the water 2 egg yolks, into the preheated 200 degree oven, bake for about 20-30 minutes, the surface was golden brown
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Loans on decade-old clunkers are being bundled into securities, just as subprime mortgages were a few years ago. In the last two years, investors have bought more than $15 billion in subprime auto securities.
Although they’re backed mainly by installment contracts signed by people who can’t even qualify for a credit card, most of these bonds have been rated investment grade. Many have received the highest rating: AAA.
That’s because rating firms believe that with tens of thousands of loans lumped together, the securities are safe even if some of the loans prove worthless.
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Dealers are using the flood of cash to move into new territories, add inventory and hire aggressively.
Buy Here Pay Here dealers last year founded a trade group, the , to represent them before Congress and regulators. That has fueled concern among consumer advocates that the industry is building political muscle to ward off regulation.
This Saturday, she will be presented with a Lifetime Achievement Award by the Recording Academy along with Gil Scott-Heron, the Allman Brothers, Glen Campbell, George Jones, Antonio Carlos Jobim and the Memphis Horns, at an invitation-only ceremony the night before the Grammy telecast. Given her stature and the unmatched breadth of her work, it seems a wan consolation prize.FOR THE RECORD:
Berry Gordy: An earlier version of this online article made reference to a supposed romance between Diana Ross and Berry Gordy. The word “supposed” should not have been used.
But the Grammys aren’t the only place where 67-year-old Ross, a primary architect of modern pop culture over her five-decade career, has been undervalued.
It’s long been fashionable to lampoon her in the media and in critical circles, to dismiss her voice and her trailblazing accomplishments ?? to cast her in the one-note role of incorrigible diva.
The books “Dreamgirl: My Life as a Supreme” by and “Call Her Miss Ross” by J. Randy Taraborrelli often paint her as a dragon lady, detailing her thorny relationships with the Supremes, romance with Motown founder Berry Gordy, and haughty offstage behavior while shortchanging her accomplishments and work ethic.
The unfavorable perceptions have seen Ross dismissed in ways that other legendary artists who’ve been passed over for a Grammy (the Who, the Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin,nike pas cher, Queen) have not.
The late Marvin Gaye, Ross’ Motown contemporary and label mate, was vocal about his jealousy over attention she received from the label, but he also gave her due props.
“Diana’s about business,” Gaye told biographer David Ritz in “Divided Soul: The Life of Marvin Gaye.” “She’ll out rehearse you, out dress you, and outperform you, so you best stay out of her way. I appreciate Diana’s trip and her talent. She’s worked hard for everything she’s achieved.”
R&B singer Ledisi, nominated for three Grammys this year for her album “Pieces of Me,” is often compared to Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan and Ella Fitzgerald, but says that Ross is one of her biggest influences.
“She made little girls dare to dream once they experienced her songs or films,” says the singer. “And of course, I was one of them ?? a shy, skinny, awkward, big-eyed, brown girl watching ‘Lady Sings the Blues’ for the first time at a friend’s house on a plastic-covered sofa. I remember thinking, ‘Wow, look at that white suit with that hat, and those red lips.’ Her version of ‘Our Love Is Here to Stay’ made me fall in love with jazz and Billie Holiday. I wanted to be like her.”
Yet the artistry and work ethic that impressed Gaye and inspired Ledisi are qualities that have received short shrift over the years. One reason may be that, despite all the ground Ross broke, she never fit neatly into existing expectations ?? artistically or in terms of race.
Jon Huntsman Jr., struggling to gain traction with voters and donors alike, is uprooting his White House campaign and shifting most of its resources to New Hampshire, a state that now becomes make-or-break for the former Utah governor. Huntsman launched his campaign in June with a headquarters in Orlando, Fla.,gucci sito ufficiale, where his wife had roots and which, more important, is centrally located in an early-voting state he had hopes of winning. According to the campaign, that national headquarters will shift to Manchester, N.H., though it will maintain offices in Miami and South Carolina.
The panel will decide whether Proposition 8, the same-sex marriage ban passed by voters in 2008, violates equal protection and due process guarantees of the U.S. Constitution.
Two same-sex couples challenged Proposition 8 just days before the California Supreme Court upheld it as a valid state constitutional amendment. The suit led to a historic federal trial that examined the nature of sexual orientation, the history of marriage, and discrimination against gays and lesbians.
Retired Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker presided over the trial and ruled against Proposition 8 in 2010, but the 9th Circuit issued a stay to put his ruling on hold pending appeals.
The stay could remain in place even if the panel rules against Proposition 8. If the panel lifts the stay, backers of Proposition 8 could ask the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate it.
The losing party can appeal the ruling to a larger panel of the 9th Circuit, which would delay U.S. Supreme Court review for many months or longer, or go directly to the high court. The sponsors of Proposition 8, ProtectMarriage,scarpe burberry, have said they were eager to get to the high court as soon as possible.
“Either side that loses would want to read the opinion and look at the vote count before making an en banc decision,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of UC Irvine Law School.
During oral arguments more than a year ago, the panel appeared to be leaning toward ruling against Proposition 8 but expressed concern about procedural matters.
The panel since then has been asked to decide, in addition to the constitutional questions, whether Walker’s ruling should be overturned on the grounds that he failed to disclose he was in a long-term same-sex relationship.
The court’s decision would have no immediate effect on other states within the 9th Circuit, lawyers said Monday. Even if Proposition 8 is struck down and the stay lifted, marriage bans in other states would probably continue until challenged or until state officials refused to recognize them, attorneys said.
The judges on the Proposition 8 panel are Stephen Reinhardt, an appointee of former President Carter; Michael Daly Hawkins, an appointee of former President Clinton; and N. Randy Smith, appointed by former President George W. Bush.
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“He had a struggle tonight,” Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said. “Couldn’t make a shot and everything was a foul on Carter. Ron really didn’t get a chance to play the defense he’s touted to play.”
Carter made 13 of 14 free throws and five of 10 shots.
Artest’s defense wasn’t the only thing off the mark. After scoring two points on one-for-nine shooting Friday against Charlotte, he had eight points on two-for-10 shooting against Orlando.
Jackson singled him out during a third-quarter timeout, telling him that missed three-pointers were understandable but not missed layups after Artest blew an easy one after driving past the Orlando defense. Jackson was also irritated when Artest stepped out of bounds on a baseline drive, also in the third quarter.
Artest didn’t see any flaws in his game.
“I’m very happy with the way I played,” he said. “I take the good with the bad. I played great. I’m very happy with how I played.”
He also didn’t sense any reason for the team to hyperventilate.
“Still hungry, still going to fight,” he said. “We’re like a wounded animal right now. That should be a good thing for us.”
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believe many people are reluctant to put themselves together with the coward ,Canada Goose Kensington Parkas
but I feel he is a coward full
I was always afraid of something
scruples something ‘
such scruples so it’s always so I missed many .
seemingly strong,canada goose store, but actually also timid timid than the coward
just do not ever want to do some of their own
you can not daring to do ah
Why are reluctant because of other things and eventually lead you to want to leave a way you had it?
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the next step how to get it ?
I would like to buy a bike
carrying his camera
with their feelings
shuttle above the earth
record beautiful moments
put aside all restraints
return to the natural nature
free flying on the road
bike is my wings
camera is my eyes
coward ‘s escape from life ~