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     Meet the new third party in national politics: Reality.
     Reality is the only party with an agenda consistent with what is actually happening in the world. Reality doesn’t need to drum up dollar donations from anyone. Reality doesn’t have to pander to any interest group or subscribe to any inane belief system. Reality doesn’t even need your vote. Reality will be the winner of the 2012 election no matter what the ballot returns appear to say about the bids of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney to lead the executive branch of the government.
     In the vicious vacuum that national party politics has become, the Republicans and Democrats are already dead. They choked to death on the toxic fumes of their own excreta. They are empty, hollow institutions animated only by the parasites that feed on and squirm over the residue of decomposing tissue within the dissolving membranes of their legitimacy. Think of the fabled Koch brothers as botfly larvae and the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association PAC (SIFMA PAC) as a mass of writhing maggots.
     These are desperate days in the republic. Between the two empty spectacles of the official party nominating conventions, a terrible nausea rises in the collective gorge of the swindled body politic. The putative contest of ideas is a dumbshow in a hall of mirrors. None of it avails to reduce, mitigate, or even acknowledge, the tensions that may tear this country apart, in particular the web of fraud that shrouds all the operations of money and banking – which is to say: the fate of everything the nation thinks it has invested in itself and its future. In the USA of 2012, anything goes and nothing matters. Reality has a different view of where this all ends and how it will work out.
     Compare and contrast the platforms of the Republicans and Democrats with the Reality Party:
     The two major parties both propose that the colossal machine of everyday life in America can not only run indefinitely, but continue expanding, and include ever more member people who trade ever more schwag. All that is required, they say, is twiddling the settings of the machine, to get it back to running smoothly as it did in the good old days before the mystifying crash of 2008. They disagree slightly on which dials to twiddle. Reality knows we have entered along-term compressive economic contraction; that there is no way we can persist in the current living arrangement; and that the necessary outcome to avoid immense human suffering can be described as the downscaling and re-localizing of everything we do.
     The two major parties regard the rule of law as optional, especially in money matters. Neither party has any will to interfere with a broad array of financial rackets that range from the blatant manipulation of markets, interest rates, and currencies to computerized front-running thievery, traffic in booby-trapped derivatives and counterfeit shorts, pervasive accounting fraud, channel stuffing, irregularities in central bank bullion leasing, flagrant confiscation of private accounts, municipal bond-rigging flimflams, “private equity” looting operations, offshore banking dodges, and untold other scams, rip-offs, and cons that have crippled the basic functions of finance, namely: price discovery, currency as a reliable store of value, and the allocation of surplus wealth for productive purpose. Reality knows that the absence of the rule of law is suicidal. Reality is incapable of pretending that it doesn’t matter. Reality provides work-arounds for intractably dishonest political arrangements: civil war and revolution. Both are invoked out of extreme desperation and have unpredictable outcomes. Like Reality itself, they are what they are.
     The two major parties pretend that so-called “entitlement” programs can be simultaneously reformed, improved, and abolished – that is, you can have your cake and eat it (with ice cream) at the same time you throw it in the garbage. Reality rejects this incoherent juggling act and proposes that Americans better just make other arrangements for old age, routine medical care, and daily bread. This implies cultural as much as economic transformation and it will occur emergently no matter what empty promises anyone makes. People who want to get food at regular intervals will have to find some way to make themselves useful to others. Medicine will return to the local clinic model and doctors will have to find another motivation for practice besides the acquisition of German automobiles. Old people will have to prevail upon their offspring for care and protection, and they will be expected to play a useful role in the household or community in return if they are able-bodied.
     The two major parties both proclaim that the USA is verging on “energy independence.” Both parties are lying. Reality knows that the shale oil “game changer” is a mirage. By 2014, the “sweet spots” of the Bakken will deplete faster than new wells can be drilled, and the impairments of banking will constrict the supply of capital investment for that hypothetical future drilling. All the deregulation in the world will not alter the fact that future oil is expensive, exists in places where it is hard to work, and entails unappetizing geopolitical contingencies. Reality favors letting go of automobile-based living and the adoption of walkable communities connected by inland waterways and railroads. 
      The two major parties believe that the foreign wars are good for business as long as you can minimize the casualties on our side and keep war news off the TV. Reality knows that war as currently practiced by the US Military is a failure if 1.) you can’t control the terrain in the foreign theater of operations, and 2.) you can’t control the behavior of the foreign population. Notice that we can’t do either of those things in Afghanistan or the sundry other places where the US military might be found today. The two major parties also favor the application of war-time “security” operations on the US public inside our borders – i.e. spying, data harvesting, monitoring of cell phone and bank records., et cetera – contrary to what US law and the constitution says. Reality believes that, if the rule of law remains optional, the time will come when American government officials who authorized these activities may be dragged from their command centers and hanged from traffic signals by a citizenry pushed too far. 
     Mitt Romney and Barack Obama would label Reality a “terrorist movement” if they could and seek to blow it up with predator drones. But Reality is harder to stamp out than truth, which can be shouted down, papered over, fudged, outlawed, etch-a-sketched, exiled, and reviled. Reality is everywhere. It lurks inside and outside the doors of the phony-baloney convention vaudeville shows in its cloak of invisibility, ready to work its hoodoo on the feckless, the fatuous, and the wicked. Reality is America’s last best hope. Join the Reality Party.

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773 Responses to “Join Up!”

  1. kulturcritic* September 3, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    James, where are we going, now?
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-only-question-no-apologies-necessary/
    kulturCritic

  2. Norman Conquest September 3, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    Where do I sign up?

  3. judetennessee September 3, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    The irony of celebrating a day devoted to Labor when so many folks are un- or underemployed. Not sure it matters as we slide back into serfdom.

  4. Smokyjoe September 3, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    While I agree broadly with JHK here, it’s still a bit too America-centric a view.
    I’ve a feeling that Reality will thunder down upon us in the form of an Israeli-Iranian war that goes regional, if not global.
    Then goodbye $4 gasoline and our tepid economic recovery. Goodbye, avoiding “shared sacrifice.”

  5. Jimmy Drinkwater September 3, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    The D’s and R’s are just subsidiaries of the same sole political party in America: The Money Party.
    Been that way for awhile now.
    http://www.alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

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  6. BeingThere September 3, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    Good post, JHK
    There’s no choice but to sign up on the reality party, only very few in this country seem to identify what reality is to their detriment.
    I remember something Mike Ruppert said in his movie, “Collapse”. (paraphrased) That there’s no debate (re peak oil) there’s only reality–can’t argue with that. Thomas Friedman seems to think we have hundreds of years of oil.
    I don’t understand by what scale could anyone say how much oil the world needs in that given time to even make the statement.
    In the meantime we are being robbed and told to look at superficial social agendas, instead, lest we might get angry at the real criminals and the leadership who are the extention.
    I finally can say Mitt Romney is the real deal—He’s a real kleptocrat!—Check out Matt Taibbi’s article about how Bain made it’s fortune on the Rolling Stone site of 8/31.
    This week we can rant and rail about Obama’s complicity in the system….hint, he’s no “other” he’s an insider like all the rest you don’t have a choice in electing.
    Yep, they ALL make money the old fashioned way…

  7. Disaffected September 3, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    Great post, but with all due respect James, the two parties (Isn’t that a curious term as well? I think we should force the two bastards to incorporate and go by their proper names – Dems Inc. – Repubs Inc.) know that modern day “reality” here in the Artificial States of America is entirely manipulated, and that they’re largely the ones doing it. Rest assured reality will indeed intrude very soon. Question is, will any of the Smart Phone Sheep, caught up in the cosmic wonders of their Electronic Life Control Devices (ELCDs), even bother to notice? I doubt it.

  8. happycat September 3, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Quite simply, an excellent post!! I read your posts regularly, and although I enjoy all of them, this one really sums it up, and in a compelling image: The Reality Party. We don’t even have to “sign up” for the Reality Party, we’re (all) already in it.

  9. Michael Hipp September 3, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Reality rejects this incoherent juggling act and proposes that Americans better just make other arrangements for old age, routine medical care, and daily bread.
    Careful … all the Enlightened Progressives who come here to blather on about the Koch brothers and NASCAR are most assuredly not ready to hear that the entitlement gravy train can’t go on forever. They and Reality have not yet even met, much less become friends.

  10. TrE September 3, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    Awesome post, Jim. Thank you.
    Your Reality Party reminds me very much of Dmitry Orlov’s Collapse Party: Dedicated solely to the acknowledgement and management of the undeniable contraction around us.
    http://www.energybulletin.net/node/42234

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  11. And So it Goes September 3, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    Best Post Ever!!
    Thank You Mr. Kunstler…

  12. cbwim September 3, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    Comparing the Democrats with the Republicans may at times seem like comparing Syphilis and Gonorrhea, but the vote this tine is really important. The winner will probably get to choose 2 or 3 more Supreme Court Justices in the next term. With Citizen’s United we already are witnessing the damage that a 5 to 4 conservative majority will do.
    Now imagine a 6 to 3 or a 7 to 2 conservative majority, with younger conservatives with tea party leanings nominated and confirmed. Baby boomers can pretty much expect to see a conservative Supreme Court making bad decisions such as Citizens United for the rest of their lives.
    Given this one aspect Jim, its rather irresponsible to say or imply that one’s vote doesn’t matter. It certainly does matter! The reality of a potential 7 to 2 conservative balance on the Supreme Court is a reality that we cannot afford! I for one will vote for Obama and am urging everyone else to do otherwise. There is a huge difference in just this one important aspect.

  13. pyates September 3, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    Lots of ugly flowers here. But the most important line is that truth can be defeated; reality cannot.

  14. pyates September 3, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    Lots of ugly flowers here. But the most important line is that truth can be defeated; reality cannot.

  15. Kurt September 3, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    Now Michael, as an enlightened progressive I’m well aware that the gravy train can’t go on forever. That’s why we need to ensure a liberal majority on the Supreme Court and fleece the insurance companies and the one percenters. They’ve got enough money under their mattresses to give the rest of us $1.50 a gallon gas and free iPads forever.
    The worst are the filthy climate deniers. Why, just now, I’ve got a load of bed sheets in the clothes dryer that could be using electricity generated from renewables but instead those filthy deniers are forcing the use of coal. My neighbor (a typical filthy denier) suggests that I hang the sheets in the sun but I tell him “that’s no the point, you filthy Koch-lovin’ anti-science Neanderthal” But he still doesn’t get it. Some people refuse to evolve.

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  16. 3rd Generation September 3, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    ” the time will come when American government officials who authorized these activities may be dragged from their command centers and hanged from traffic signals by a citizenry pushed too far.”
    There are a lot of traffic signals in America.
    U.S.A. Nation of Nothing and Serial Nobodies.
    AMERICA, RIP.
    ps: I DO NOT Crary.

  17. lconway September 3, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    The spectre of the major parties trying to buy enough votes to get to 50%+1 in enough states to garner 270 electoral votes reminds me of Rhett Butler playing cards with his captors as the Confederacy collapsed around his ears. Get what you can, now, in something that has value, post-collapse, and don’t concern yourself too much with oaths made to a dying political order.

  18. RalphM September 3, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Jim, here’s a metaphor that can accompany your maggot/botfly imagery: Archipelago Man, from Matt Taibbi’s recent article about Romney.
    Here’s a link to an article with an excerpt and the relevant links: http://occupymba.com/2012/09/02/archipelago-man/

  19. Neon Vincent September 3, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    I figured you’d be disgusted with the infomercials that the major party conventions have become for the viewers (and the excuse for a party that they always have been for the participants). The problem is that, as Richard Heinberg said in “The End of Suburbia,” reality is bad for business. Right now, I doubt that anyone could describe reality as you have and be elected. The majority of voters won’t stand for it. As you have said multiple times, they’ll have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
    Also, I bet you’re disappointed that there weren’t many protests at the GOP convention. The police outnumbered protesters 4 to 1. I think you’ll suffer less disappointment this week in Charlotte. There will be a march on “Wall Street South,” if nothing else. As for the Chicago 1968 style chaos in the streets you have been calling for, don’t bet on it. Everyone is too busy reading about Snooki having her baby.
    I will say one thing that you might appreciate. Annabel Park, founder of the Coffee Party, watched the GOP convention and had the terrifying feeling that she now knew what it felt like to live in Weimar Germany. I posted the link to your “We’re Weimar now” entry from 2010 in response to her Facebook status. She “liked” it. Looks like you’re getting through.
    I’ve blogged about the conventions already over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. In particular, my entry about Eastwooding earned more page views than any other entry posted last month. It turns out that his stunt with the chair made a perfect metaphor for what the Republicans have been doing to Obama all along–engaging with the Obama of their imaginations, not the real person in the White House. I also poked fun at political insanity in “The way of the (political) k00k.”
    As for the rest of the week, I’ve been writing about gas prices, climate, local politics, the Coffee Party, and science crime scenes.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  20. lisaofwisconsin September 3, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    I’m going to be passing on that bit of wisdom and crediting it, of course, to Jim:
    “Reality is harder to stamp out than truth, which can be shouted down, papered over, fudged, outlawed, etch-a-sketched, exiled and reviled…reality is everywhere.”
    And reality is going to hit us like a ton of bricks one of these days soon.

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  21. welles September 3, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    My neighbor (a typical filthy denier) suggests that I hang the sheets in the sun
    There’s nothing more eco-friendly than sun drying on the line. Why wouldn’t you do it?
    Seems like a huge disconnect, you want electricity generated from renewables….the sun is renewable and pollution-free, yet…you WANT more, and then call your NEIGHBOR filthy?
    peace peaceniks

  22. newworld September 3, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Notice how the one enlightened progressive went straight for the supreme court argument. The USSC is an oligarchy. Whoever is given the license to loot in Nov. will then stuff the oligarchy with his out of touch legal oligarchs, but as JHK states reality awaits.
    Reality in this case is a state telling the Feds to stuff it either on abortion restrictions, immigration enforcement or the big kahuna the left trumpets against the “common enemy”(this is code for white men) gun control.
    The USSC is about out of useful mythos and their role as Oracle of DC is about kaput.

  23. Laura Louzader September 3, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Reality is what doesn’t go away when you stop believing in it, as the character in a novel by the late Thomas Disch remarked.

  24. trippticket September 3, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    And Reality presents an array of real problems that must be dealt with as we move into a lower energy future. Check out our latest adaptations at my permaculture/energy descent blog:
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Sign me up, Jim!!
    Tripp out.

  25. newworld September 3, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    The EP went for the nazi card several posts above. This is what immature white libkids do with their lives.
    Stupid white libs engaging in race hate incitement, nothing could go wrong there.

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  26. welles September 3, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    American government officials who authorized these activities may be dragged from their command centers and hanged from traffic signals by a citizenry pushed too far.”
    Yet another rehash of one of JHK’s failed predictions. No violence at the conventions. No lynching of anyone.
    Stop expending your precious energies on national-level politics, and take care of yourself at the household-neighbor-community level. Eff the rest.
    We planted 120 banana trees, an acre of cassava root, and are harvesting phenomenal avocados here in Brazil, all organically.
    We live very close to family and everyone helps out financially and watching elders, propping up family members who’re a bit weaker than the rest.
    Kind of like the old U S and A peoples did before the country died around 1980.
    peace peaceniks

  27. Neon Vincent September 3, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    Regarding your description of the major parties as “empty, hollow institutions animated only by the parasites that feed on and squirm over the residue of decomposing tissue within the dissolving membranes of their legitimacy,” I think you’re onto something, but you may have the wrong metaphor. Think of something much more sinister.
    As I tell my liberal friends who keep thinking that the GOP should be dead by now, the GOP as a traditional party engaged in electoral politics is already dead. What it is now, as described by “EscapefromWisconsin” over at the Hipcrime Vocab, is an authoritarian movement. That makes it an undead party in a democratic system. As Bela Lugosi’s Dracula said in the eponymous movie, “There are far worse things awaiting Man than Death.” Yeah, and one of them has happened to the GOP.

  28. ront September 3, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Here are the big problems with the Reality Party: uncomfortable, damned inconvenient, uncertain, and it offers no control enabling one to exploit the world for one’s own personal gain.

  29. budizwiser September 3, 2012 at 10:45 am #

    So how long has it been since “jimmy carter?”
    “reality” simply can’t get elected…….
    The “status grow” continues to suffocate, stymie and smother the slightest evidence of reality.
    It’s the “blind new world” we will live in – even as our civilization falls and our safety and comforts are torn from most of us.
    Nice rant JK – but the chasm between the “powerful 1%” and the people has miles to grow before reality ever rears its eventually all powerful wand…..
    How long has it been since jimmy carter?

  30. coast watcher September 3, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    When I look at the national conventions, I’m reminded that our two-party system gives us one more choice than North Koreans have. And about as much difference.

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  31. PRD September 3, 2012 at 10:54 am #

    If an actual Reality Party were to be formed, there would soon be an election of officers, bylaws for the conduct of meetings, a platform, membership dues, a culture of smug self-satisfaction, and members who vigorously push for negotiations and compromise with the Hope Party. Ha ha.

  32. Buck Stud September 3, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    The problem with any party and this would also include a “Reality Party” is that people will join it. Which means, in the case of the Reality Party, alter and manipulate. It’s baked into the human condition, the proclivity to alter and manipulate, speaking of yet another reality. Besides, paradox also exists in the domain of reality, illuminating that tragic, impotent spectacle currently known as the partisan voter.
    (I’m beginning to sense that “reality” is, in fact, the original hall of mirrors.)
    The real problem is not with the incumbents,or political parties; it’s with the voters themselves. Too many voters, in their zest to be politically aware and active, have drawn political lines in the partisan sand and in doing so undermined the power of their voting influence. A dyed-in-the-wool partisan is counted as an in-the-bag-chump- at the end of the voting day. No need to sweat and work for that vote; they’ll vote for their party regardless.
    The power of the vote, and its ability to wield real influence, resides in assuming an undefined, allusive status. From a post-structuralist perspective, this amounts to a voter retaining “unmarked” status in the Derridean, semiotic sense of the term. The “marked” political pair of Democrat and Republican, bring more information and certainty to the political table and in doing so diminish the power of their influence. The unmarked voter, in slipping past delineated status and into the position of greater generality assumes a station of implicit power due to the very uncertainty of a political leaning, one way or another.
    Since reality also contains mystery, the voting public ironically empowers itself the more uncommitted it remains. The reality of power and influence in this case is not militant, angry fists waving in the air, but allusive intentions enveloped in the mist of uncertainty. In short, the Way Of Water.

  33. EndofMore September 3, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    Like any person of verifiable sanity I want to agree with JHK’s ideas, unfortunately I feel that, human nature being what it is, they will join the library of wisheconomics and wishpolitics that litter our history.
    Anyone able to add up our past will be fully aware of the disaster of our future. We built a world economy on the single finite resource of hydrocarbon energy, and because we all want it to go on into infinity, we collectively believe anyone who reassures us that it can. The alternative is just too awful to contemplate so we reject it out of hand.
    We know the politicians are lying, and will go on accepting their lies so long as pumps still deliver gas, switches deliver power and supermarkets are full of food. While that lasts, we ‘have nothing to worry about’.
    We will not alter our ways until that situation changes in a visual and literal sense. When it does, the reaction will be instant and violent because life itself will be at risk; every species has evolved to fight for its life by every means at its disposal, humanity will not act differently, but unlike any other species we have the weapons to take us into self destruction. Even on a domestic scale, America has 300 million guns in private hands. Warfare has always been about resources, taking it to a world scale I leave to the imagination of the reader.
    The insurrection exploding across the Middle East is basically the result of food costs and unemployment; when America reaches the same tipping point (and it will), all that will seem like backyard target practice.
    As to ‘community living’, that really does take us into the realm of fantasy. Take medicine as an example: does JHK really expect to call on a local doctor who has no backup other than his medical knowledge and a community clinic? A doctor today is supported by the colossal infrastructure of an industrial complex, just like everybody else. Without that he can no more cure what ails you that a doctor of a century (or more) ago. A hospital is one of the biggest energy sinks there is, we keep people alive by buzzing and whirring machines that soak up power, and by good people who expect to get paid. Let’s not mince words here folks, you can only ‘downsize’ illness by letting sick people die.
    http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/

  34. Smokyjoe September 3, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Michael wrote:
    “Careful … all the Enlightened Progressives who come here to blather on about the Koch brothers and NASCAR are most assuredly not ready to hear that the entitlement gravy train can’t go on forever.”
    I hate both the Koch Sprawl-barons and the NASCAR doofus-spectacle. But a real Southerner prefers figure-eight racing with lots of wrecks…seriously. NASCAR is sissy.
    As a Progressive, I do take issue with painting us all that way, Michael. Let’s face it: America’s entitlement programs are bloated. You cannot subsidize every life-preserving treatment under Medicare.
    I wish that long ago we’d taken another road: basic health care, as in preventative medicine, for all citizens. For those who choose to smoke and overeat…they get less and less as time goes on, or at least have to pay into the system more.
    But we didn’t take that route and we have the mess that no Progressive or Conservative should tolerate. It’s a waste of taxpayer money…not that it will matter much in a few years. We just took the wrong road after WW II.

  35. GAZ September 3, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    “Entitlement, I want you to meet Reality.”
    He is sick of you. He is tired of your sloth, stupididty, obesity, digital autism, worship of celebrity, tatoos, pieces of metal sticking out of your face and most of all, the money you waste on all this crap. So have another Bud-Light, Rx drug of choice, another hit, another line, another video game, whatever, because you are about to receive a face down beating. If you survive and want to help out down the road…good! If not, please find a hole to crawl into and die.

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  36. Kyooshtik September 3, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    I for one will vote for Obama and am urging everyone else to do otherwise.
    =============
    Well, that makes a lot of sense.

  37. ozone September 3, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    A most excellent screed, Senor Kunstlerio!
    (If you’ve been to modern Meh-hee-ko, you know the profound depths that cynicism can reach in a populace abused near to death by their oligarchy/kleptocracy.)
    Many of us have already been forced into the Reality Party, simply by witnessing the Great Crumbling. Those who have not yet “joined”, resist with all their might and main. False hopes and wishful thinking, disguised by intellectual dishonesty, political nit-picking and stretches of techno-triumphalism that haven’t the COMMONS’ capital to back them up are the hiding places of the denialists that constantly infect this place.
    Now, of course, I’ll get slammed for that and placed directly in the doomer-porn dumpster. I wish there were a last laugh to have; I’d be having it, but there’s nothing remotely funny about the way this collapse is going to come down, specifically BECAUSE false hope is slathered over every goddamned thing in reach and sight by all of the terrified clingers. Slam away, slammers, the only one needs convincing that “things change” with infuriating regularity is yourselves.
    This certainly doesn’t mean reality is going to conform to MY expectations either. (As dale points out, there are just FAR too many factors to make any precise calculations.) But I think my general version will be a lot closer to the way things shake out soon.
    And what will that mean? I’m psychologically prepared to face privations. You decide whether that’s good thing, or if I’m just barricading myself [mentally] in the bunker of a blinkered outlook. I really no longer care if anyone thinks I’ve “ossified”; I happen to be quite a bit more flexible and adaptable than their analysis might suggest, and that’s what I think will be a decisive attribute in the fast-approaching “tormenta”.

  38. ozone September 3, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    Please be advised:
    At this juncture in time and the short blip of human history, withdrawing your consent and denying the legitimacy of our overlords is a revolutionary act in itself.
    “…Consent of the governed…”
    I smell desperation in the air; this happy mask of governmental can-do, solidarity and power projection is beginning to slip and the worm-eaten skull of death by authoritarianism is being glimpsed from time to time by close observers.

  39. steve September 3, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    magnificent, simply magnificent! I believe this is as clear and simple as you can be in laying out the state of the world today – and it was done without the usual hyperbolic language. Mr. Kuntsler is not saying that this state of affairs needs to be organized into a Reality Party; he’s simply saying that this is what’s is happening and will continue to happen, so we had best get on with a rational approach without waiting for it to fall on our heads. Good advice and it’s all anyone can do, along with making our own financial and social preparations. I know you won’t like this, but if I may be so bold, God bless you for this, James.

  40. Belisarius September 3, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    You state the problem well…but as for the solution. Reality is not a Party, rather what remains after the illusions are shattered. There is nothing to join and much to leave behind.
    We need to walk away, remove our support and attention from the Parties (and the corporations that own them) to the extent that is feasible in our lives. If they force us to fight, so be it; otherwise ignore them, their “system”, and their services. Don’t listen to their media, don’t do business with them unless you have no alternative, and don’t ask them for anything.
    Perhaps though, instead of a Party, we could have a limited life organization to promote something like a “12 step program” for those having trouble recovering from their addiction to the illusions?

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  41. ozone September 3, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    I liked your post and agree with the latter part of the content.
    In the opening, I was very surprised to see you in the raiments of the literalist! There is not (nor will there be) any Reality Party. It’s simply the place we’re plunked when all the bullshit is torn away.

  42. noel bodie September 3, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Right on…..and good post JHK

  43. Nastarana September 3, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    I love it when JHK is on form.
    A few more observations about reinvinting daily life:
    Artists will need to speak to and make themselvs accissible to entire communities, not just the kewl subset. No one is going to want to look at ugly passing itself off as incisive social commentary or listen to self-indulgent posturing pretending to be music. Check out the following for a look at what is possible WITHOUT our wonderful modern technology.
    http://digital.library.pitt.edu/c/chartres/
    Not a trace of post-modern “irony” to be seen here, no obligatory “niceness”, the famous profit motive nowhere to be found, and it has stood with only minor repairs for over 800 years.
    The vast, expensive and disfunctional education racket is also on its way out. Teachers will need to resign themselves to imparting practical AND intellectual skills to ALL their students in a local small achool setting, where they may be being partly paid in kind. There is no further need for administrators earning, you should excuse the expression, 6 figure salaries, nor for the incompentent sycophants who staff school offices.

  44. Kurt September 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    *sigh*
    It is so hard to write good irony…and alas I am a poor writer.
    I suppose I should have finished with /sarc/. You’d think, after all these years, someone would come up with a ligitimate html sarc tag.

  45. Jimmy Drinkwater September 3, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    Elections in America are pretty easy to control:
    A grotesque amount of cash to throw at two parties over an endless campaign season and voting on an often rainy (or snowy)Tuesday in November.
    Many countries in(northern) Europe operate on a different model, multiple and diverse parties with defined limits on spending and campaign seasons, two day voting over a weekend.

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  46. anti soak September 3, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Yes, I guess its cheaper to buy off 2 parties than 22.
    Menawhile at the DNC:
    this is via Citizenjournalist:
    At the Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Charlotte, they will have pictures of such American icons as the Statue of Liberty and Mount Rushmore.
    Apparently President Obama has such a high opinion of himself that there is also a sand sculpture of him, erected at the DNC at the EpiCentre entertainment complex, seemingly in imitation of Mount Rushmore.
    It consists of 15 tons of sand trucked in from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
    and ‘the Jumah event’:
    They decide to scrub their site of the Jumah event!
    The DNC at first championed the event but later removed the event from the DNC Charlotte website. Islamaphobics!

  47. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Yes, what is stronger than Water? What is stronger than a person who doesn’t give their power away? That you can’t take for granted? That will leave if their spouse gets abusive or stops taking care of themselves? Who always knows where the door is?
    The Founders were against political parties: they feared that loyalty to the Party would become a substitute for the Good of the Country. That obviously has happened.
    Failing that high ideal, we should go to the opposite and have a plurality of parties representing many points of view. Nothing is worse than the One Eternal Party which masquerades as Two. As Chesterton said, Progressives keep making mistakes and Conservatives conserve the mistakes the Progressives have made – and pretend the new Normal is Normal if not the old Normal.

  48. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Jimmy smiling that smile and saying My name is Jimmy Carter and I’m running for President – over and over again – was the low point of American Politics. Things can never get that bad again at least not in that way.

  49. A Change in the Weather September 3, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    The difference between the Dems and the Repubs is the difference between turning a blind eye to reality and actively working toward a fantastic, ultra-right, authoritarian, Dominionist regime bent on taking the country back to an imagined nostalgialand that looks like the 19th Century, except with the Bible joining the Constitution as a supporting legal document.
    That distinction, subtle though it may be, is enough for me.
    While we still have some semblance of democracy, I know how I’m going to vote. Chances are 1 in 100 that it will make any difference in the long run, but that’s better than zero.
    We absolutely need a Reality Party. But we don’t have one yet. We might be able to build one with Dems in power; with the Republikooks, we will be pushed yet closer toward a reality the Taliban would approve of as a good start, in form if not content.
    The Arctic ice cap is likely to go within the next few years, and when it does, the weather will change abruptly and forever. The weather we saw last March, when it was 80 degrees at night on the Canadian border, is a mild foretaste of the erratic and volatile future of the jet stream. When agriculture fails on a global scale, when the US corn crop is 10% of its customary yield rather than the 87% it is this year, when half the livestock has been culled in a single year for lack of fodder, and Sonic burgers aren’t available at any price, the Jesus people, seeing the disappearance of the ice cap as a portent from their God, will do His imagined bidding, Old Testament style. The overlap between this set of people and the Agenda-21, 2nd-Amendment-solution set is almost 100%. Their worldview is based on a delusion impervious to fact and by corollary, reason. Whoever is in office will be in a position to resist or support.
    Obama, an overtime quarter. Romney, game over.
    http://www.achangeintheweather.com/

  50. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    The Federal Bureacracy has to be shrunk to all but nothing. All your friends are going to be put out of work – that’s what JHK is saying whether he knows it or not. And all those welfare people are going to be shit out of luck. What do you think they’ll do Be? Die quietly? You better get out of New York before it’s too late and they block off Manhattan from the rest of the city.

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  51. muddmike September 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    anti,
    Now for the REST OF THE STORY.
    the sculpture of Obama was done BY the Myrtle Beach Visitor’s Bureau. Here is a comment with an article reference that yo missed.
    “First, Obama didn’t commission this, the Myrtle Beach Visitor’s Bureau did this without the DNC’s permission – they also did it for the South Carolina Republican Debate in Jan 2012. Second, this proves this website has absolutely ZERO journalistic integrity, because it was very easy to find the flip side via a simple search. If you want the truth, it ain’t here.”
    http://www.myrtlebeach.com/blog/post/gop-presidential-debate-massive-sand-sculpture-welcomes-candidates-to-myrtl/
    Of course since you wanted to believe that it was Obama who did it, you neglected to look any farther. It looks like citizenjournalistdotorg is almost af fair and unbalanced as Faux News.

  52. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    A little Ice Age would end the nascent World Civilization – and Western Civilization so called. These aren’t bad things. A few degrees colder is all it would take.
    Global Warming is a gradual process that can be adapted to over time. Amazing that people don’t realize which is worse. And we have a long way to go before we have to worry: in was far warmer at various time in the past. During Roman times, grapes were grown and wine produced in Northern England. Far warmer than today.
    The World is cooling now for the last 12 or 15 years. I know it seems to be heating, but that’s just your local experience. You have to look at the whole world statistically, methodically, and scientifically. Sorry.

  53. Nastarana September 3, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Sorry, JHK and Ep, among others, but multiculturalism always was a fraud and it has now run its course. “Historic injustice” does not excuse the attitudes of mow and blow guys who expect to plug their noisy and polluting power equipment into my power outlet in order to perform tasks which I can and do do better myself with hand tools only. I think in future migrants, including internal migrants, will be welcome in proportion to value they bring with them.
    Also, the marking off of turfs, of publicly paid for streets and sidewalks, may be a trend that is on its way out. A close relative of mine lives in a multicultural neighborhood, the residents of which can’t stand old white female me, but my relative cannot afford to exclude me because my contribution to her household, and I am not talking about cash here, from cooking to garden produce to mending to tutoring is simpy not replaceable from within the neighborhood.
    The silver lining, on a personal level at least, may be that people with skills and the willingness to use and impart them, will be respected and valued regardless of their looks, personality, pedigree, or wealth and social status.

  54. A Change in the Weather September 3, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Thanks for the education, but I’m sticking with NASA, NOAA, the National Snow and Ice Data center, and the National Academy of Sciences on this one.

  55. Altavoz-de-Verdad September 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    Right on Jim! I am a member of the Reality Party myself….have been for quite a few years now. It’s hard to get the regular folk out there to recognize the party or even accept the platform. But they will in due time…whether they want to or not.
    I’d personally recommend to people to get on board the reality train sooner rather than later. You may actually get a half way decent seat instead of being dragged down the tracks after it runs you over.
    Jim, I just finished the Failure of Party Politics chapter of Too Much Magic this morning, this blog post was a nice follow on to that.
    Have a nice day everyone.

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  56. Mack184 September 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    The true reality is that the world is on a collision course with the promised return of the Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. We should be on our knees asking the Lord God for peace and mercy. Only through seeking God will we be able to find peace & strength to get through the ugly days that are just around the corner. No political structure will be able to save us, only the loving Lord Jesus Christ can bring us that peace. The world is going to collapse. And the time will come when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Some will do it with great joy and others will do it with great sadness & shame. Seek not a politcal or man-made solution to our every-growing worldly troubles. Seek the Lord Jesus and pray for his peace and mercy.

  57. helen highwater September 3, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    I’d rather be on my knees digging in my garden and growing some food than asking some invisible guy in the sky for mercy. Mother Nature and her bounty will get me through the days to come, and her beauty will provide me with the peace and srength to get through the ugliness. You are truly delusional if you believe all that stuff you are spouting.

  58. k-dog September 3, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    The problem:
    The two major parties both propose that the colossal machine of everyday life in America can not only run indefinitely, but continue expanding, and include ever more member people who trade ever more schwag.
    Their solution:
    Mitt Romney and Barack Obama would label Reality a “terrorist movement” if they could and seek to blow it up with predator drones.
    Americas best hope:
    The CRP (Canine Reality Party)
    ? K-Dog
    All Dogs Eat.

  59. k-dog September 3, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    Yes !!
    And you won’t be as hungry as the guy with the sore throat praying to the invisible man in the sky either.

  60. popcine September 3, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    This is the major statement from JHK, for this year, for our times. The question is: What now? What will we, the readers, in the comfort of armchairs, do about it?
    The next step would be a gathering of recognized leaders, held publicly, and producing an agreed upon list of grievances, formally presented somehow.
    Is this the stumbling block, that JHK as well as the rest of us have grown too accustomed to speaking with only our own voice?
    Now what kind of party would include both JHK and Gerald Celente? I mention Celente because I know JHK doesn’t like him. (I love them both.)
    Well Hamilton and Jefferson didn’t like each other either, but they sat at the same table.
    The “Reality Party”. It’s a good enough name.

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  61. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Afro American trash chttp://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=11256ulture has gone global – even among Jihadists. Vide well little brothers, vide well.

  62. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    So you think a few degress warmer will be less catastrophic than a few degees colder? Care to try and argue that? Good luck.
    Again I mean globally. A few degrees warmer might mean drier in some places – which could be locally catasrophic.

  63. emilenotemily September 3, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Thanks for your insights, James. Check out this meme (taken from my band Brother K’s video “Payroll”) that emblematizes the consequences of denying reality. Feel free to add your own captions! http://qkme.me/3qqv9b
    video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCNUJJQd3g

  64. empirestatebuilding September 3, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    How ironic that my TV is on the Bravo channel which a airing a show called Real Housewives. Boy when the real reality arrives these beauties will be in a tough spot.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  65. helen highwater September 3, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    The common people were living like serfs while whatever wealth and labour that could be extracted from them was used by the church to build this edifice for the 1%. Sorry, I’m not impressed even if it did last for 800 years.

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  66. helen highwater September 3, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Well sorry to you too, but the world is actually warming, and not just in my “local experience” I don’t live anywhere near those polar icecaps that are currently melting. Obviously you just don’t want to believe it.

  67. muddmike September 3, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    Vlad,
    Would you post the source of your cooling claim? then we can evaluate the validity of the data.

  68. fashinrashin September 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Yet you are here reading it?
    There is an element of choir preaching to this blog, but there is also comfort in knowing that there are disparate peoples out there that do see the future for what it is.
    I have 6 acres and no mule, and recently I made another greenhouse (my climate isnt Amazonian….).
    I am forming a collective of sorts in the area I live.
    The point is Kunstler is on the money most of the time and the other GLARING fact is there isnt any such thing as endless growth.
    Endless growth is a lie.
    There is this thing in nature called entropy, it is beyond a reality and we are well passed its sell by date.
    It is waiting for us.

  69. Stephen Daedalus September 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Reality bites as they say. Anyway, one of Jim’s better posts. It asks us to view a bigger picture of what’s going on. I live in the rust belt, specifically Michigan. Reality has hit many of us hard as manufacturing has moved overseas. Here, we still are making cars but not so many as the “good ole days.” Still, America retains some ability to make things such as automobiles. As a thought experiment…imagine if there was no American auto industry. Would foreign cars stay so cheap? My guess is they wouldn’t. They would not have to undercut us and could charge higher prices.

  70. Stephen Daedalus September 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    Now that I re-read my last post, it seems narrow-minded and not seeing the bigger picture. I do get that energy shortages are a game changer for all no matter who we are competing with.

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  71. Ogier de Beauseant September 3, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    Having been alive during WW2 I saw the federal government take charge and run a tight ship to defeat the enemy in less that 4 years. It can do it again tho’ the sun belt cowboys may need to be neutralized.

  72. Snark123 September 3, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    I think the reality party needs to do a reach out to individuals who just can’t tie together the issues of overpopulation, resource depletion and government encroachment. Some need consequences shown to them using only the limited vocabulary they have. For example, a bumper sticker applied to their car saying,”Save a terrorist, abolish abortion” might cause them to think a bit. Perhaps those who forget to tip at valet parking during the next major RNC event could get a sticker applied to their car for free!

  73. dale September 3, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    Back in the 90’s I read a lot of Soviet history, it was like a verbal train wreck. The Soviets had their own psychology (radical psychology) their own genetics, as well as several other theories in conflict with accepted science and common sense….most of it utterly self destructive.
    At the time I thought it was unique to totalitarianism, and felt complacent that we were living in a country where such rubbish couldn’t flower, much less flourish. Now as I survey the current level of debate and “coverage” in the media, it’s clear that we are not so different after all. We ignore the real issues and blather on about American “exceptionalism”…..absolute bunk. I could go about the many areas this is true, but JHK did a pretty good job fleshing it out.
    So we continue to pretend that our problems are all about insufficient access to education, or pat ourselves on the back for “gay rights” (Democratic) or “too much regulation” or not enough of the “good ol’ days” (Republican), but it should be obvious to any thinking person that this is the thinnest of smoke screens to distract us from the corporate takeover and corruption of our economic and political systems.
    As is always the case, those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

  74. observer September 3, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    A good movie for Reality Partisans: “The Age of Stupid.”

  75. beantown bill September 3, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    Helen, the world is indeed warming, there’s no doubt about that, but Vlad POSSIBLY might be correct, but in the reverse order. As our planet warms and the Arctic ice cap melts, all that fresh water lowers the ocean’s salinity and could cause the Atlantic’s conveyor belt, which brings us warm Gulf water, to turn off, which would result in a big drop in average temperature along much of the Eastern seaboard and Europe.
    Whew! Sorry for the complicated description. The result would be colder and snowier winters in northeast America into Canada and in Western Europe. This would appear to be counterintuitve because the Earth’s average temperature would be rising at the same time.
    Some climatologists say that if enough additional snowfall occurs, it could increase reflection of sunlight off the snow to the point where the Earth would rapidly cool into an ice age.
    I wouldn’t start researching how to build igloos just yet, but I just wanted to clarify (hopefully) it isn’t farfetched that global warming COULD bring on an ice age.

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  76. beantown bill September 3, 2012 at 4:57 pm #

    If The corporate takeover which you so aptly bring up actually resulted in mankind’s betterment, I could possibly condone it on the grounds of the means justifying the end.
    However, TPTB have grossly messed up the world by bad decisions and bad-priority-setting. We’ve now reached the point where even technophiles like myself begin to worry.

  77. muddmike September 3, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    Vlad,
    Global cooling is also a slow process.
    However, when we are talking about climate, 10 to 15 years is a very short time.
    If you look at any graph of average temperatures you will see many ups and downs of 10 to 25 years.
    Climate is a chaotic system, so a few years is insignificant, even if it is true.

  78. sevenmmm September 3, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Some of us have joined the Reality Party years ago. It is slow going. This take a lot of time and effort. If you haven’t joined by now, all you got to hope for is luck.
    I have been working at this and still need luck myself.
    So the Reality Party can also have a tiller stalk termed, “Hoping for Luck” Party.

  79. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    It all the Sun dude. The Sun and the Earth are in a complicated duet or dance. The Sun (male) leads. If he takes a nap the Earth goes into an ice age – mini or major. We are due for a major btw – for millions of years the patter has been the same: ten thousand years of good weather followed by a hundred thousand of ice. How many civilizations have risen and then been crushed under the ice? Our 10,000 is over – we had our shot. If we were still the country that put Buzz and Neal on the moon, then we could manage it, even keep our cities going under the ice. But that’s no longer possible.
    Warming causes an increase in carbon dioxide, not vice versa.
    Ice and Tree cores show the ice age conditions can develop within a decade or so. Then that cools the earth more and the ice age conditions move soutwards.

  80. Shakazulu September 3, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    “and untold other scams, rip-offs, and cons”
    I think you covered all the bases there Jimbo. You would be writing into next week if you listed them all.
    But I do believe the current power structure turns your outcome scenario upside down: It’s us they plan to hang from the street lights.

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  81. muddmike September 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    Vlad,
    “Warming causes an increase in carbon dioxide, not vice versa. ”
    I guess it is just a coincidence that during the time that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses have been rising, that humans have dug up and burned billions of tons of fossil fuels, increased the area of rice paddies, raised more cattle, and denuded huge amounts of forest. Humans have also invented and created a large number of synthetic greenhouse gasses, some that will stay in the atmosphere for 50,000 years.

  82. bproman September 3, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    How much will you take in trade for a used slinky.

  83. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    the world is on a collision course with the promised return of the Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.
    Collision? It will be the most joyful day in all of history! Everyone will be saved because Jesus and the triune God (“he’s three, three, three gods in One!) equals infinite Love. As 1 Timothy, Chapter 4, Verse 10 says:
    For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. — 1 Tim. 4:10
    Who is the “savior of all men” … ALL … Nobody gets left behind. ALL ARE SAVED BY JESUS, believers and unbelievers alike! Halelujah!
    The Buddha affirms the same thing, in a different way, in saying that all beings will come to nirvana, that none of the conditioned states are permanent.
    India’s ancient Hindu Brahma Sutras say the same thing, “All beings will eventually become Brahman,” or DIVINE REALITY, “because there is only Brahman.”
    In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna also says the same thing, which Jesus copied much later, in promising universal salvation for all beings.
    Quantum physicists have confirmed the truth of these non-dual views of Jesus, Krishna, and Buddha.
    So, with this blissful outcome for all guaranteed, there’s a sense that peak oil, resource depletion, overpopulation, the banking crisis, etc. … everything we consider to be REALITY … is all perfect … an amazing Divine Comedy, in which we have our joyful participation.
    This Divine Comedy is the REALITY PARTY to which I belong. It is the REALITY PARTY I celebrate.
    The real REALITY PARTY is based on the fact:
    duality, or separation is an illusion
    The supposed separation between science and religion, between the observer and the observed, etc.) is an illusion. The Eastern mystics have long recognized the REALITY of non-duality and Western science has more recently come to understand it through quantum mechanics.
    The statement “we are all one,” is not reality in some abstract sense; it is REALITY at the deepest level of existence.
    I doubt JHK has a clue about REALITY as described by ancient mystics and contemporary quantum physicists.
    The REALITY of NON-DUALITY is GOOD NEWS … not a collision.

  84. DavidinLosAngeles September 3, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Matt Taibbi’s cover story on Romney in the September 13th issue of “Rolling Stone” is excellent. I bought a copy of the magazine while I was out buying earthquake supplies this morning. These tremors we’ve been having in L.A. are getting stronger and stronger. 3 the past month and a 1/2. Last night’s was the strongest, people are starting to scream out loud. Epicenter: Beverly Hills. Haha, karma. Like Jim said, reality will win…eventually….and Mother Nature’s the boss.

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  86. rocco September 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Happy Labor to all my fellow worker Bees:
    JHK great post and I agree that the leadership does not want reality,but my fellow blue collar folks and even my fellow peak oil,prep guys and gals go crazy if one of their cherished slogans of prep or peak oil is challenged with evidence based information,but I guess we can read JHK and live a life of less China made junk, good day I have off to get my flu shot and use fluoride to brush my teeth. Thats reality too!!!

  87. welles September 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    Only through seeking God will we be able to find peace & strength to get through the ugly days that are just around the corner.
    Yeah, but ‘seeking God’ means WHATEVER THE HELL ‘believers’ WANT it to mean. DO NOT you SEE that?
    There is such thing as relativity, i.e. what may be true for you may be untrue for me (relative to me). DO NOT you understand that?
    Use your blanged head man!!
    And what is YOUR relative definition of ‘just around the corner’, with regard to the ugly days approaching? Is it 2 years?
    If you were honest – which you’re not, because you hide behind undefined phrases that expand and contract to mean whatever the hell the utterers want them to mean – you would admit you’re merely a well-trained parrot.
    Tell me, how long is ‘JUST AROUND THE CORNER’? I want to know. The world wants to know. We’re waiting 2,000 years now. Is ‘just around the corner’ 23,000 years? A month or two? TELL US or SHUT UP and admit you simply do not know.
    peace peaceniks

  88. wardoc September 3, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    All progressives should march down to the DNC convention site in Charlotte, and make sure that you carry a 1) water bottle, and 2) a marker of any type. Both will get you labelled as a terrorist.
    Great object lesson.
    Same thing happened at the RNC.
    Anyone recall 1968? Naaaaaaaa!
    Whose on dancing with the stars?
    What’s Lindsay Lohan doing? These things are important. Someone needs to check it out and get back with us.
    Wardoc

  89. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    I hope you admit that global cooling is more deadly than global warming. And that global warming (be it true of false) even if it started off sincerely (which I question), soon became a political juggernaut with out whole civilization hanging in the balance, and corporations ready to jostle for the reduced spoils.
    Needless to say all kinds of shenanigans ensued such as U.N cherry picking Reports and the emails between Global Warming High Priests on how to fudge the data. And even religious overtones were beging to be heard – such as doubters being called “deniers”. Luckily the whistle blowing emails and a number of high level defections have taken the wind out of your sails. Some scientists smelled the rat early – as soon as they saw the UN report and immediately repudiated the whole thing. Shame on you for being affiliated with something so disrepuatable.
    I admit that many ice caps have shrunk. I question whether that is continuing now. I don’t have the same certitude on this issue as I do on Race and Social Policy. There is some possibility that I could be wrong about the physical facts or their interpretation – but not about the corrupt movement that associated with these facts.

  90. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    I believe the carbon dioxide levels were higher at various points in the past well before industrialization – unless the lost civilizations I alluded to caused them. Some civilizations may have been pre-human. Intelligent dinosaurs? Bronto burgers anyone?

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  91. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    Quantum phyics has nothing to do with the Brahman or Nirvana or God. You silly dancing Wu Li Massa you.

  92. anti soak September 3, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    Now thats funny.
    I need some humor, returned from the beach.
    Too many tattooed wimmen. i dislike tatts, especially on wimmen.
    Radu, how much ink do you wear?

  93. anti soak September 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    Welcome, tell us more about yr farm/garden.

  94. anti soak September 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    2 of yr sources are Supkis and Coast to Coast radio, yes?
    Elaine says the south pole is getting more ice?
    I dont care much, as its way beyond my control.

  95. XXX5 September 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    Your pseudo-spiritual jibber-jabber is a monument to dilettantism. You know a soupcon about a lot but not much, in depth about anything.
    By the way, I’m waiting for my apology about your denigration of my intelligence of a CORRECT use of the word HYPOTHECATE. If you thought you’d evade the embarrassment because of a new thread for the week … you’d be wrong.
    E.

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  96. Poet September 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    Without a doubt this is the best writing I have read from JHK in the past seven years I have been reading his ranting screeds. Among the sparkling verbal jewels I appreciate are:
    “Reality knows we have entered along-term compressive economic contraction; that there is no way we can persist in the current living arrangement; and that the necessary outcome to avoid immense human suffering can be described as the downscaling and re-localizing of everything we do.”
    “Reality knows that the absence of the rule of law is suicidal. Reality is incapable of pretending that it doesn’t matter. Reality provides work-arounds for intractably dishonest political arrangements: civil war and revolution.”
    “People who want to get food at regular intervals will have to find some way to make themselves useful to others.”
    “Old people will have to prevail upon their offspring for care and protection, and they will be expected to play a useful role in the household or community in return if they are able-bodied.”
    “Reality favors letting go of automobile-based living and the adoption of walkable communities connected by inland waterways and railroads.”
    “Reality knows that war as currently practiced by the US Military is a failure if 1.) you can’t control the terrain in the foreign theater of operations, and 2.) you can’t control the behavior of the foreign population.”
    “Reality is harder to stamp out than truth, which can be shouted down, papered over, fudged, outlawed, etch-a-sketched, exiled, and reviled. Reality is everywhere. It lurks inside and outside the doors of the phony-baloney convention vaudeville shows in its cloak of invisibility, ready to work its hoodoo on the feckless, the fatuous, and the wicked.”
    Finally, I also appreciate your mostly losing the vulgar and obscene and the ostentatious and needlessly complicated language as well as the toilet or barnyard allusions that often detract from my enjoyment of your otherwise excellent writing.

  97. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

    Vlad, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad explains Time as the condition of universal mind which alone makes the ordering of the universe in Space possible, as does physicist David Bohm in his book, Wholeness and the Implicate Order.
    Bohm explains, in the language of physics, that Brahman would be infinite creativity in a resting or seemingly non-vibratory state, realized as Emptiness or Void.
    As energy moves toward an infinite state, its wave frequency increases. The amplitude or vertical distance between wave crests becomes smaller and smaller until the points of rest overlap, turning the oscillating wave into a straight line.
    In this manner, infinite energy may be realized as utter stillness or a zero point, precisely as the sages have said. Bohm obtained laboratory evidence of this phenomenon by proving the existence of wave lengths as small as 10 -34.
    His calculations indicate that one cubic centimeter of this Zero Point energy contains more power than all of the matter in the known universe.
    Bohm’s work with Zero Point energy is extremely helpful in understanding the metaphysical nature of the universe, especially the process by which the Absolute or Brahman becomes manifest in Time and Space.
    SOURCES:
    UPANISHADS, S?AN?KARA?CA?RYA, & MADHAVANANDA. (1950). The Brihadaranyaka upanishad. Mayavati, Advaita Ashrama.
    BOHM, D. (1981). Wholeness and the implicate order. London, Routledge & Kegan Paul.

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  99. trippticket September 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    Thanks, Welles, for busting some retard chops around here today! Enjoyed reading about your horticultural escapades of late. An acre of cassava? Wow.

  100. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    Eleuthero, you doubling down on HYPOTECATE?
    OK, you asked for it. It does not mean hypothesize. Look at the etymology:
    HYPOTHECATE
    transitive verb -cat•ed; -cat•ing [Medieval Latin hypothecare to pledge, from Late Latin hypotheca pledge, from Greek hypoth?k?, from hypotithenai to put under, deposit as a pledge] (1681) : to pledge as security without delivery of title or possession. — hy•poth•e•ca•tion pronunciation \-?pä-th?-?k?-sh?n\ noun — hy•poth•e•ca•tor pronunciation \-?pä-th?-?k?-t?r\ noun.
    SOURCE: Merriam-Webster Copyright © 2004 by Merriam-Webster
    Or look at contemporary dictionaries of English:
    HYPOTHECATE
    To pledge (personal property or a ship) as security for a debt without transferring possession or title.
    SOURCE: Collins English Dictionary. 2000.
    HYPOTHECATE
    1 to pledge (property) by law as security for a debt.
    2 to commit (tax revenue) from a specific source to a specific purpose, e.g. revenue from road tax to road improvements hypothecation /-?kaysh(?)n/ noun [Latin hypothecat-, hypothecare to give as a pledge].
    SOURCE: The Penguin English Dictionary. 2007
    HYPOTHECATE
    To pledge securities as collateral for a loan without giving up ownership of the securities.
    SOURCE: Wall Street Words. 2003
    PLEDGING
    Pledge and hypothecate are synonymous, as they do not involve transfer of title. assign, although commonly used interchangeably with pledge and hypothecate
    SOURCE: Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms. 2006
    HYPOTHECATE
    verb: (hypothecated, hypothecating) law to place or assign as security under an arrangement; to mortgage.
    SOURCE: Chambers 21st Century Dictionary. 2001
    Can you cite one source (other than the 1906 Merriam-Webster) that says hypothecate means hypothesize?
    Put up or shut up, E.
    The literature is against you.

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  101. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    Eleuthero said: “You know a soupcon about a lot…”
    ====================
    Eleuthero, it is customary when using French words like soupçon, that you use the proper spelling, which is soupçon not soupcon. The French c needs a cedilla under it, and I’m sure you can figure out how to do it correctly, having taught computer science.
    Soupcon is not English or French. It is simply nonsense, meaningless, much like your persistence in this meaningless exchange.
    However, with each post you sow doubt about having been “Teacher of the Year.”

  102. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    Ok that makes some sense: you are using the Language of Physics as a symbol of Meditative Experience. It’s not the same kind of knowledge since one is direct and one is mediated thru the senses and intellect. But as a symbol it works.

  103. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Eleuthero, you doubling down on HYPOTHECATE?
    OK, you asked for it. It does not mean hypothesize. Look at the etymology:

  104. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    Thank you, Vlad, for understanding sufficiently to make a coherent reply.

  105. ksat September 3, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    Wow, James, great article. I’ve been thinking for some time that our two-headed zombie parties lost touch with Reality a long time ago. Also, I’d like to address some good prior comments.
    1) BeingThere’s 9:25am comment got me to read Matt Taibbi’s mind-blowing article in the 9-13 issue of Rolling Stone (Greed & Debt: The True Story of Romney & Bain Capital). Prior to reading this, I was prepared to vote Libertarian, even though they do not live in Reality either. Now, I believe that Romney is EVIL and realize that he must be defeated, so it’s Obama by default.
    2) I can’t agree with cbwim’s 9:50am Supreme Court comments. While I think the conservative justices (not evil like Romney) at least try to base their decisions on our flawed Constitution, I can’t say the same for the four liberal hacks (it’s a shame that 3 are women). Seems like they vote in lockstep and totally follow the Dem party line. How did things get so out-of-whack that the Pres’ most important decisions (outside of starting illegal wars) are his Court picks? We are stuck in 21st Century America with an obsolete gov’t structure designed for an agrarian 18th Century. In other words, we’re royally screwed. BTW, your first sentence comparng the D/R monopoly parties with venereal disease was priceless!

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  106. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    This morning, Google –which served as a broker for placement of the Green Party national satellite and cable television ad placements– informed Jill Stein for President that they were censoring the campaign’s ads due to “inappropriate language.” (The ads in question can be viewed here).
    What Google does not seem to understand is that federal law prohibits broadcasters from censoring ads submitted by candidates for public office.
    Because all primary advertising has to air before the close of the Democratic convention on Thursday, this is an extremely urgent matter. We urge all of our supporters –and any American who does not think corporations should have the right to censor political free speech– to contact Google at once:
    Google Headquarters: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View, CA 94043. Telephone 1-650-253-0000
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    To contact Google’s Advertising Department toll free, call 1-866-2GOOGLE (1-866-246-6453) or email them with the form provided at https://services.google.com/fb/forms/ensales/

  107. asoka.. September 3, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    In the event that this censorship of the Green Party may not be resolved in time, the Green Party has quickly produced three other ads, “What Green Means,” that we can get on the air immediately, with your support. You can see the ads here.

  108. Radu Voda September 3, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    The Big Bang Theory in particular is similar to Hindu idea of Bindu or creation point of all potential – mythologically portrayed as the Golden Egg or Hiranyagarbha. Or the Kether in Kabbalah. Physics has a similar concept but again the similarities stop at the physical since that is where physics ends. But the Traditions teach higher and prior levels of creation.
    The Universe is an upside down Tree with the roots uneen, lost in the heavens. Thus it’s good to meditate on still water where you can see the reflections of upside down trees.

  109. Radu Voda September 4, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    No, but I’m glad to have them on my side. I actually meant to say glaciers not ice caps. I did hear about an expedition that went to Antartica to measure the ice cap melting – they were forced to abort their mission due to extreme cold and blizzards.

  110. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    Vlad, there were some scientific papers in the early 1970s about global cooling and a coming ice age. But that was not the general consensus, although some modern writers perpetuate the myth of the 1970s global cooling scientific consensus.
    In July 1979 in Woods Hole, Massachusetts, Juie
    Charney, one ofthe pioneers of climate modeling,
    brought together a panel of experts under the U.S.
    National Research Council to sort out the state of
    the science.
    The panel’s work has become iconic as a foundation for the enterprise of climate change study that followed. Such reports are a traditional approach within the United States for eliciting expert views on scientific questions of political and public policy importance.
    In this case, the panel concluded that the potential damage from greenhouse gases was real and should not he ignored. The potential for cooling, the threat of aerosols, or the possibility of an ice age shows up nowhere in the report. Warming from douhled CO, of 1.5°-4.5”C was possible, the panel reported.
    While there were huge uncertainties, Verner Suomi,
    chairman of the National Research Council’s Climate Research Board, wrote in the report’s foreword that he believed there was enough evidence to support action:
    “A wait-and-see policy may mean waiting until it is too late.” Clearly, if a national report in the 1970s advocates urgent action to address global warming, then the scientific consensus of the 1970s was not global cooling.

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  113. Sololeum September 4, 2012 at 4:45 am #

    Thanks Jim for an other dose of reality… You keep us focused!
    Another blog we all read did not want me to say that the convention held first was like a 50’s farce..
    “honey is ArmErica broke”
    “Darling it is almost too far gone, but I reckon I can fix it”
    So the Latter Day Canute should be elected!!
    We would then be entertained by his inability to turn the tide of reality!!!!

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  120. ccm989 September 4, 2012 at 7:44 am #

    Another great column by JHK but flawed for a single reason — the reality is that there is a VAST difference between the GOP and the Democrats. Matt Romney has been called a vulture capitalist, a leverage buyout specialist, a hostile takeover guy who practices “Bust-Outs” like the Mafia used to (see Rolling Stones latest issue). Robot Romney is also busy hiding his tax returns from the Public and hiding his income in off shore accounts from the IRS. None of these are good.
    The Tea Baggers are avoiding reality because they don’t like what America has become. Its got gay marriage, abortions, uppity negroes, the US Post Office and birth control which does NOT please them. Creepy, old Tea Baggers want us all to go back to 1912 because they can no longer have sex and it bugs the hell out of them that others can WITHOUT the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Its makes them vindictive so they suggest putting an aspirin between your knees to prevent pregnancy! Because if Clint Eastwood is too senile to get any action then you shouldn’t either!
    So when you tell yourself there’s no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans then frankly YOU are no longer dealing with reality.

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  122. trippticket September 4, 2012 at 8:16 am #

    There is a penny’s worth of difference between the GOP and the Dems, and that penny is eaten up by rope-a-dope social issues. Nothing substantial. People who understand what’s going on should see right through the fog.

  123. Stephen Daedalus September 4, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    What incredible tripe that confuses people and accomplishes nothing. See why I can’t stand this guy.

  124. Alexandra September 4, 2012 at 8:40 am #

    A postcard from the deep blue, Mediterranean sea… Ahoy there clusterf#ckers all, long time no squeak… eek!!
    And nice to see/read the same regular ‘furniture’ dudes-n-dudettes here at CFN. Still predictably chucking in a gory glory mixed hash bag of postings as usual. What’s that about familiarity breeds contempt Vlad? New handle I see….
    As for me – still turning down the odd marriage proposal here or there – us glossy, posh, lean-n-mean, leggy Brit brunette hard-body mariners… eh? Whom casually flit betwixt meetings in Canada Square, Canary Wharf at the drop of hat, and then quickly are back to bouncing atop a teak laid boat deck.
    *sniggers*
    I am ensconced currently, in back to basics, with (what) austerity measures here in the southern (warmer) climes of Europe. You gotta be kidding me… right? Around the Greek islands today – I’m currently sitting at a marina’s edge in Preveza – you’d never think much is awry at all, like $60bn’s worth of cash deposits fleeing from Spanish bank accounts in a tsunami of withdrawals…
    Reality is as reality does. Then again some of the sea toy’s bobbing about around here, well the filthy lucre to get you into the game has to come from somewhere… doesn’t it? Daily the boats here change and flock in on an afternoon’s hardening breeze, brimming over in the main with retired baby-boomers on-board, all from the usual suspect OECD nations, think Yanks, Canadians, Aussies, Krauts, Frenchies, Dutch, Brits, Royal Sarf Afrikans and in one case a boat full of young fresh faced middle-class Hungarians!
    While sailing around Kefalonia and Lefkas earlier in the week, one noted hoards of flotilla chartered masses doing the annual Jeanneau/Beneteau two weeks sun and nauti thing, with SunSail & Neilsen groups being the major adopter culprits…
    Once more, much as last year… come sun-downer time the super-rich folk, arrive too, at the spoiled for choicest spots of an evening – think Syracusa, Sicily or Valletta, Malta – all with attentive uniformed herbert’s in tow, preening and glossing and primping the prestige yachts that float-n-glide majestically in. Prestige motor-boat brands such as Azimut’s/Riva’s/Lürssen’s et al, so that the nipped-n-tucked 50/60 some-things on the rear deck dining tables aboard looking best-bib-n-tuckered 30-40 some-thing at most guests can and do not want for anything at all…
    Then once more at the crack of dawn, the staff having all fully ship-shape already, good-to-go, deck stuff coiled and deep cleaned. slick private navy style they’re gone from the incumbent harbour quay view for the Homer Odyssey sea trail pastures anew, sometimes Hydra, Spetse places… Marmaris and Bodrum too…
    However, when you slip below the surface, tis clear that at all resorts with a retail bent shore-side, sales stickers of 30-50% off abide in all store windows you see, ever hopeful of cash luring temptation. Tis clear though the northern Euro punters are no longer dipping into their purses at all, not like they used to. Booze and food however will be the last hurdles to fall, with bars in particular still doing strong numbers here, alcoholic and night clubbing monkey distractions die very hard it seems?
    One notes too, that flight costs during Sept remain at record highs, but when the sun here sets a wee bit faster during Oct/Nov, symbiotically the prices to fly drop like a stone too..
    (Me thinks time-line sensitive pricing and toll-boothing economies are very much here to stay)
    Moving… on lets touch a bit on climate change. The record busting droughts in the USA are causing corn prices to soar. Spain in part is now burning too, with damaging forest fires. While in Mahón harbour on a W88 at Minorca a month or so back twas clear to me 38c was the daily reality… So sooner rather than later desalination will have to kick off with a vengeance… to keep the 7bn+masses in drinkable clear bottled h2o.
    I suspect frying tonight, will one day come to have a whole new meaning, and as an aside the flying yellow/red fire-bombing planes were at work here all yesterday afternoon as it happens, scooping up sea water, dousing flames.
    And what of our love affair with the ICE powered car? Do I see a mass movement toward battery powered EV’s controlled by super intelligent highway tech?… (Cough) eergh no I don’t…
    What I do see is the continued massive investment in roads and fossil fuel car infrastructure , ever bull-dozing insanely onward, a concrete and tarmac nirvana it will never be. And a note for JHK, there well might be a fossil-fuel game changer, to keep all our favourite ICE toys nicely ticking merrily along. You see some clever science based peeps at BASF & Solix will come to the rescue, via algae fuels… grown in mega tanks you see.
    Hey ho… onward and upward Co2 levels eh?
    A reality check…?? We monkey’s don’t do that… do we playmates.
    Be seeing you…

  125. Stephen Daedalus September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    Why do I keep reading these comments? Just garbage. I guess I am studying the futility of humanity. Radu can you give me some insight on this? Is this just more ‘Too Much Magic?’

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  126. Patrizia September 4, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    Great post, Mr. Kunstler.
    The best I ever read…
    Historia Magistra vitae.
    Centuries of history teach us that in the end, whatever you do, truth and reality prevail.
    The deserts are full of bones of the people who wanted to rule the world…

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  128. ovplooo964 September 4, 2012 at 9:16 am #

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  129. ozone September 4, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    Alex,
    Thanks for the report from the front lines of the pampered and privileged. (Sort of like the top predators and the attendant parasites who live off of their “largesse”.)
    Not so easy for the caterers any longer, is it? Looks to be just the creaking of the arbalest getting its’ string drawn back to me. A lot of going out of bid’ness to come yet; especially for those providing “services” to the wealthy. It’s a buyers’ market for those who hold the means; for those who service them, the throat-cutting and back-stabbing has just begun. (Look to the building trades and lawn maintenance for some pug-ugly, in-the-trenches examples.)
    “A reality check…?? We monkey’s don’t do that… do we playmates.” -Alex
    Generally, no; not until we emerge, blinking, from the smoking ruins.
    “Sail ho, two points to lar’b’rd, Cap’n! She flys the black flag…”
    (I think larboard is port these days? Can’t remember; too lazy to look it up. ;o)

  130. ozone September 4, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    …And so we get tales of political solutions in response to an in-yer-face JHK posting that states there are on political solutions.
    (I’m no longer amazed; just a bit disappointed. That would be exposing MY personal bias, but so be it.)
    Please read Tripp’s last two postings from the land of intentional contraction here:
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    (I too, worry about how knowledge will be preserved. It’s apparently not much of a priority in the Wonderland of teevee and snacks a’plenty.)

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  133. The Mook September 4, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    Right on the money about no violence at the conventions. A country brain-washed that violence is always evil except when dictated by our leaders. If we threw another civil war, would anyone show up?

  134. Mack184 September 4, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    First, why all the anger & hostility? My opinion is not as good as yours? You seem perfectly fine accepting Jim’s writings as scripture, yet you speak angrily at someone who believes holy scripture. While I will not be goaded into some sort of childish internet fight, I will not simply shut up because someone who disagrees with me says I should.
    Regarding when is the return of Jesus to happen? First let’s again go back to Jim’s writings. While I enjoy reading what he has to say and generally agree with him on where things are going, I agree because I belive that the Bible is correct. There is going to be a world collapse followed the the rise of Anti-Christ followed by world destruction, followed the Revelation of Jesus. That’s why I generally agree with Jim’s writings. However, Jim’s writings are without any real time. He’s predicted the same things that are “about to happen” over & over & over again for years. Yet you have no trouble accepting his take on things. Yet if I introduce the Bible you become angry & hostile and tell me to shut up.
    Jesus said that God’s time is NOT man’s time. That in God’s time a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Using that timeline, then Jesus has not been gone quite 2 days. Secondly, Jesus told the disciples that NO man, and NO one knows the day or the hour. Not the angels, not even Jesus himself, but the father only.
    I know that none of this will matter to you. You are, for whatever reason too angry to deal with someone who does not think as you do. That’s fine. I will even pray that God will reveal Jesus to you. However, what I will not do is to shut up simply because you tell me to. I will state my opinion on Jim’s writings and I will continue to suggest that we pray for peace and mercy for this nation.
    I hope that you find some peace and a lot less anger in your life towards people who do not agree with you.

  135. evilnaturedme September 4, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    One interesting comment to note from JHK.
    ” reality is harder to stamp out than truth”
    This reminds me of a comment by Ayn Rand ” You can avoid reality but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality”
    My opinion is we have still got some avoiding to do, still some time left , could be years.

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  136. ozone September 4, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Oops: “…that states there are NO political solutions.”
    Llllllater!

  137. Phutatorius September 4, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Something further may follow of this Masquerade. (What I was reading this morning)
    -Phut

  138. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Nobody forces you to read and then whine.
    Of course, if you haven’t read Bohm, or the Gita, you think you are reading garbage. The discussion is over your head.

  139. lonvtlze74 September 4, 2012 at 10:26 am #

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  140. Widespreadpanic7 September 4, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    I’m all for recognizing reality, Jim, as long as it doesn’t interfere with the Major League Baseball schedule. The Orioles, A’s and my Tigers are all making their move. The Nationals are on top of the NL East! The Nationals for Krissake! Think of it, The Nationals vs the Orioles in the World Series!
    I don’t want ‘reality’ fu—-g all this up, got it?
    –WSP7

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  141. dale September 4, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    the reality is that there is a VAST difference between the GOP and the Democrats.
    ————————-
    The “reality” is, they certainly like to make it SOUND like there is a vast difference, but on the issues that matter to me, they are virtually identical.
    I see no meaningful difference between the two parties on; corruption in government, or the bloated military budget that makes constant war necessary in order to justify. Those two issues determine if, and for whom, I will vote, and this year I am not. Furthermore, as things are currently structured, I see no likelihood that I will change that position anytime soon.
    Only something very close to a complete collapse will change our current political trajectory, and then I doubt it would be for the better.

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  143. Widespreadpanic7 September 4, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    So I tuned in to MSNBC for their coverage of the D Primary. I know most of it on that network is agitprop by lapdogs, asskissers and sycophants; I understand that going in. But the first goddam thing I see is Rachel Maddow Interviewing Barney Frank about ‘Marriage Equality’. There it was! I watched for about 15 seconds and learned all I needed to know about the ‘Democratic Platform’.
    –WSP7

  144. J Lee September 4, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    The melting of the ice-caps is simply the hoshanna of the next coming. A mild paradise in the north for the polar bears and the eskimos. It was written and it shall be. The new age will be revealed amid all praises from on high. But who will be the next Noah? A muslim or a mormon?

  145. Stephen Daedalus September 4, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    I see you’re up to your garbage again. If those entities had anything important to say, they would be household names. They aren’t. What does that say.

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  147. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Asoka,
    The Oxford English Dictionary lists two definitions for hypothecate. The first is the one you give, while the second is simply “hypothesize”. Thus XXX5 was correct.

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  149. bobby j September 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    It might be seen that our human being ie mind body in its evolutionary journey was destined for greater possibility to live outside of reality and into its’ fractured belief niches.How great it is the resources were put here by the almighty for man’s use and on our journey we completely exploited them and turned the eco-system into a psycho killer of hurricanes and drought and fire and floods . When you leave reality you are entering dangerous ground in which belief can rapture one to a heavenly kingdom and the psychopathic facistic sadistic guy comes into his own aka anti-christ guy. The forces of reality are poking into our comfortable niches and we will fight back against the perceived enemies of our created ideal image aka ego -guy. I am this I am that and I am against that which threatens my piece of the shrinking pie. Divide and conquer is the modus operandi of unreality. Unreality has it’s ground in those dark recesses of our unconscious where fear lurks. When the politician and the priest pull the right string we dance to the status quo music. They have been at this game for centuries so they are very good at it and the wealth is there to hire the best spin doctors.You have been conditioned for too long so you will just keep repeating the history of unreality. You are distancing yourself from your true friend which can give peace sustainability and true freedom. Enter into reality and you enter into the kingdom.

  150. Kyooshtik September 4, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

    Soupcon is not English or French.
    ===========
    Correct. It is an artwork by Andy Warhol… Campbell’s Tomato.

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  151. Radu Voda September 4, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Alex is a piece of work: she enjoys her lifestyle tremendously and likes to flaunt it to us lesser mortals. She’s not much on dialogue though – any talk of elderly White English people freezing to death is met with silence or mockery. Anytime I brought up the coming Muslim takeover in Norway she would just commence prattling about trolls. Yes trolls. This is our lower ruling class – completely self involved and viciously contemptuous of any call for change.
    Lucan didn’t like her when she first appeared, but when she manifested all the correct beliefs, likes, and hatreds he was won over – much like the Occutards welcoming multi-millionaries as long as they’re rap or movie stars.

  152. Radu Voda September 4, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    Tush. You just need to see a video of Barney and his spouse doing the beast with four backs with Sir Elton’s “Rocket Man” as the soundtrack. You will change you toon!
    Don’t be a reverse Lucan who left in high dudgeon after Mr Kunstler began to question the Democrat Homosexual Alliance.

  153. xhalor September 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    “when run into eating the old 80!”
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    So, dig in. It’s what we’re having.

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  155. Kyooshtik September 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    The Oxford English Dictionary lists two definitions for hypothecate. The first is the one you give, while the second is simply “hypothesize”. – Mudd to Asoka
    ===========
    Ditto for the Random House Dictionary Of The English Language, Second Edition, Unabridged.
    For anyone too new around these parts to have formed an experience-based opinion about Asoka’s personality and purpose on this blog, let me venture an opinion… it is to find fault with, and to contradict, whatever anyone says. Often, the lengths he will go to accomplish this reach the absurd so that something he said yesterday is contradicted by, and is inconsistent with, what he says today.
    I speculate that something unpleasant happened to Asoka in his youth that would account for his apparent abandonment of family and even undergoing a vasectomy at age 18. Although he professes to love all people one gets the impression that beneath this facade he is the quintessential misanthrope.

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  156. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 1:26 pm #


    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned

  157. Frank September 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    “Reality” doesn’t care. I like that. The end is nigh….

  158. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    ?
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    ?
    And with a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    on slow thighs, through shadows of
    indignant desert birds reality slouches
    towards Bethlehem to be born.

  159. welles September 4, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    You seem perfectly fine accepting Jim’s writings as scripture, yet you speak angrily at someone who believes holy scripture
    Your post earns the most errors I’ve ever encountered in a single rebuttal.
    If you bothered to read carefully what I’ve written in previous posts on this week’s very blog issue you’d see that I chastise JHK for failed predictions!
    So much for ‘accepting Jim’s writing as scripture’!
    This is precisely what you do: fail to analyze your own purported beliefs, and simply accept the words of others as gospel.
    You have a mind. Why don’t you try using it in critical observation mode?!
    You write: However, Jim’s writings are without any real time. He’s predicted the same things that are “about to happen” over & over & over again for years.
    The level of utter absurdity of this critique is astounding. This is EXACTLY what you do/did, viz. ugly days are ‘just around the corner’. For how many years have alleged christians been saying the end is near? More centuries than you can shake a stick at. How’s that for failure?
    Is your phrase ‘just around the corner’ “real time”? Just mind-boggling.
    You say: I belive that the Bible is correct.
    Ugh. Do we really have to do this? WHICH bible? There are dozens of versions of the bible. What you are saying is you believe YOUR version of the bible, plus YOUR interpretation of certain words in that version.
    My friend, there are ERRORS in the translation of the books which comprise the bible. There are ERRORS of understanding of these words. Catholics include 12 books which protestants reject. How can you reconcile this, if not by leavening your ‘beliefs’ with someone’s interpretation of what’s to be believed and what’s to be rejected?
    You are not honest if you cannot see and admit this is the situation.
    Case in point: Jesus allegedly said which of the following: “Love your enemy, or “don’t hate your enemy”?
    There is a grand canyon of difference between the two. One interpretation leads to not raising a hand against evil, and letter Auschwitz occur. The other might let you take up armed resistance and stamp out evil.
    What is your answer? Which one is right? Do we ‘love’ Hitler and let him live, or do we kill Hitler? And what does ‘love’ mean in that context?
    Jesus said that God’s time is NOT man’s time. That in God’s time a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Using that timeline, then Jesus has not been gone quite 2 days.
    Who says it’s 2 days? You? Is that YOUR interpretation? What if it was meant metaphorically, and not literally 1,000 years?
    How do you know if it’s to be taken literally or metaphorically?
    And by the way, how long is a year? 365 days? Are you sure? Judaism’s years last 12 or 13 months long, so you’ll have to redo your calculation. Because I can posit that since Jesus was Jewish, it’s likely that the Jewish calendar is being referred to. Or is your interpretation different? Are modern-time Gregorian calendar years meant? Or Julian calendar years? Or was the word ‘year’ written in Greek, and maybe it’s the Greek writer’s intention to use another, Grecian system of counting.
    You automatically see a ‘year’ as a modern, 365-day year because that’s your INTERPRETATION through the lens of your culture and education. Get it? Everything’s interpreted to mean what the ‘believer’ thinks it means. And one man’s believer is another man’s infidel, if you haven’t noticed.
    If you cannot research these matters and come to the conclusion that any interpretation of the bible is subject to legions of doubts and ultimately any exegesis is marred by interpretation to a degree, then I will have to say you are a hopeless robot and a good plastic christian.
    You were given brains by God, use them to educate yourself.
    peace peaceniks

  160. anti soak September 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Have you been going to any school board or town hall meetings?
    If ya do, dont drink the refreshments.
    Lest you end up ‘widespread’ AND panicked.
    With a name like yours, you must be careful.

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  161. anti soak September 4, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    VOILA!
    As I posted the above I turned on Rush, the top of the hour news was on.
    Courts ruling in, the State of Mass must pay for ‘Michelle’ to be sex changed into a woman.
    [I cant make this stuff up].
    Something about the ‘dept of corrections’.
    Michelle must be a guard or an inmate.
    Cheers.

  162. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 2:19 pm #


    YA MAN A Drone report from Yemen.
    ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚱ ⚱ ⚱
    Coffins for the men, funeral urns for the women.
    And as you know I do drone on:
    ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚰ ⚱
    The funeral urn is for the little girl.
    Americans are becoming unpopular in Yemen. DUH
    ☐ Obama (Vote for death & loose your soul.)
    ☐ Romney (Romney vows not to cut military budget.)
    K-Dog (All dogs eat, no dogs get murdered.)

  163. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    ✔ K-Dog
    ✎ me in.

  164. ovplobo276 September 4, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

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  165. Nastarana September 4, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    What does impress you dear? A strip mall where you can buy cheap clothes made by indentured young women participating in the global economy in their sweatshops cum brothels in the Marianas Is.?
    The great churches of the high Middle Ages were built mostly by municipalities, not by the feudal overlords. They were massive public works programs. Consider the advantages to a town of such a project. Provisioning the masons and other craftsmen. Opportunities for local likely lads to apprentice in such prestigious professions as carpentry, stone and brick building, and glazing of glass. Opportunities for artistically talented persons to attract the notice of established artists. Opportinities for women to augment their income with embroidery and sewing. The cathedrals had large staffs, and were not usually supported by self-suffient monasteries. All the staff had to be clothed and provisioned, a boon for local merchants and craftspersons. There were good, sound, economic reasons why wealthy merchants and guilds subsribed to build these churches.

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  166. orbit7er September 4, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Reality is forcing changes despite all the efforts of the Elite 1%. While down in Clearwater, across from the Tampa elephant circus for a personal family crisis, I noticed 2 interesting news stories:
    1)Crystal River Nuke Plant is closing as they cannot fix a major containment wall crack

    2)AutoAddicted Pinellas County which has widened former 2 lane roads into 7 lane seas of asphalt while building a whole parallel Interstate 19 is considering a 1 penny tax for Light Rail!

    Apparently despite the usual service cuts, rate hikes etc Green Transit ridership is booming as more and more people cannot afford to run their cars…

  167. Mike Hunt September 4, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Here’s my platform for the Reality Party:
    I for one will cast my vote for Mitt Romney; and I would encourage everyone else to do otherwise!
    Mike

  168. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    All dogs eat.
    All dogs eat means a lot of things. One of the things it means is that government cares about hungry dogs and not just rich ones.
    Labor Day and the Election of 2012: It’s Inequality, Stupid
    ? K-Dog

  169. ovplobo276 September 4, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

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  170. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    I accept your judgement, Q. and Mike.
    And I also apologize to E.
    I was in error.
    There. That was easy.

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  171. Mrs. Soake September 4, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    Indeed, he’s one sick puppy.
    The former Mrs. Soake

  172. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 2:51 pm #


    Our political leaders, Democrat and Republican, are complicit in our demise. Our political system, like that in the declining days of ancient Rome, is one of legalized bribery. Politicians, including Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, serve the demented ends of corporations that will, until the final flicker of life, attempt to profit from our death spiral.

    Life is Sacred

  173. Rhino September 4, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    “…in particular the web of fraud that shrouds all the operations of money and banking – which is to say: the fate of everything the nation thinks it has invested in itself and its future.” – JHK
    Deception and misdirection being two effective, time tested tools. One example being the relentless quacking from Republicans about reducing tax rates.
    Paul Ryan affects to look longingly to Canada for its lower corporate tax rates. Which would be fine if corporate honchos really gave a shit about tax rates. Which they don’t. They only maybe look at them when they affect their own personal tax bill. But not that of the companies they milk. And Paul Ryan, eminent thinker and intellectual that he is, would know this. So would the ventriloquist dummy Mitt Romney.
    When it comes to the companies they run CEOs/CFOs of large firms focus on wage rates. And why not if you can get Chinese peasants straight out of rice paddies, living in rabbit warrens, working for chicken feed.
    Reduce wages to microscopic levels, bulk up the bottom line, bulk up the bonus.
    I seem to remember hearing that the average all-in wage bill (ie the whole magilla: pension, health care, everything) for an American auto worker prior to the 2008 cack up was something like 80 bucks an hour. Compare that to the buck an hour rates in Chinese manufacturing facilities.
    So you can reduce American tax rates on corporations to zero and it won’t make a stitch of fucking difference as long as there’s a billion desperate, impoverished peasants to exploit and corrupt, murderous despots in Beijing to ruthlessly suppress them.

  174. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Now WTF
    Flying Coffin Holiday ??????????
    This after my ✈ drone report above. !!!!!
    Coincidence I think not !!!!!
    (That’s to Disinformation: How It Works where the strategies of ‘Trolls’ are explained)
    This attempt at humor from one of the resident impediments with an incredibly sick mind was unwise as it draws attention to the fact that the Chinese ads for useless bling are put here deliberately to detract from the literary experience of the blog reader.
    Apple blocks ‘objectionable’ app that reports deaths from US drone strike
    Pathetic and sick.

  175. ovplomp538 September 4, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

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  176. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Chomp !!!!

  177. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    Da Man who knows about Yemen
    I wonder if he could be my secretary of State?
    ? K-Dog

  178. Kyooshtik September 4, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Obviously, the pundit was southern born… Texas, perhaps. He said “the Dim-uh-cratic Kin-vin-shin is about to get underway in Charlotte.” I groaned loudly.
    My wife asked, “You don’t like Obama?” I said “you still don’t know me do you?… It’s got nothing to do with who I like.”

  179. Kyooshtik September 4, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Correction:
    to git underway

  180. ozone September 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    Oh no, and HELL no!
    Fred has done gone and kicked over a noisome, fecund and percolating bucket of capital “R” Reality onto the sacred ground of the terr’ist-killin’ holy land of Afghanistan. This would be counter to the Pentagon’s carefully constructed Potemkin village of freedom, liberation, truth and justice forever, amen. (And we can’t have that.)
    Say it ain’ so, Fred; say it ain’t so.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32359.htm
    And to think, them backwards-ass folks’ blood was shed for the betterment of not only ‘Murka, but all mankind. Uh, wasn’t it? Have they no fucking gratitude?

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  181. balkan September 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    You are right.
    “Pillars of the Earth”
    by Ken Follett

  182. ozone September 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    …And the telltale use of “ape” in his shitty appeals to consumption on a mass scale immediately identify him as the notorious, stinking Ol’ Spider, vengefully filling the blog with his boogers, generated from a perch atop his keyboard in his reeking, filthy cell in Graystone Asylum.
    “Pathetic and sick” isn’t the half of it, methinks.
    This is mendacious and malicious as well.

  183. xport September 4, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    This is a joke? How does a human define reality? What are the chances of having a real discussion about metaphysics and phenomenology and existence and being? If it is not on TV, then it does not exist. Being here now puts us all in the reality party. We just don’t know how to party like it is 2012.

  184. xhalor September 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    So why does god have to be involved in a public works project? It was done at least once before without any “divine” inspiration.

  185. ozone September 4, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    Tsk.
    Becaaaaause, Gawd said so, silly! Orders is orders, y’know.
    Do not provoke the sky-ghosts or question their whims, X.! (Weren’t you properly trained in this regard, along with the pee-pee whacking thing?)

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  186. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    Good luck with this whole reality agenda when a large majority of Americans profess belief in fictitious higher powers. Religion is the #1 vehicle for denial of reality out there. It faciliates people to checkout of responsibility for what happens in their lifetime, because they plan on sitting next to Jesus up in Heaven after they croak. What me worry? Jesus gonna be here, gonna be here soon.
    And within this already deluded contigent are the truly reality challenged, who profess to believe that the earth is 7000 years old, that God put dinosaur bones here to “test us”, that evolution is a made-up liberal scam, that Global Warming is not happening, and all other manner of clearly fantastical gibberish, depending on whatever the preacher man told them.
    Good luck convincing these people that Peak Oil, resource depletion, economic contraction, and other pressing issues actually exist, much less that they should be taken seriously. These people actually believe that a higher power put the entire earth here for our consumption, so the barriers to getting through this entrenched “ethic” are monumental. After all, it sez so in da Bible.

  187. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    “Global Warming is a gradual process that can be adapted to over time.”
    Oh, so you’re a climate scientist this week? *laugh*

  188. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    “What are the chances of having a real discussion about metaphysics and phenomenology and existence and being?”
    Yeah, but we don’t even need to go there. That’s the advanced class. Most Americans can start confronting reality by realizing that there is no invisible sky god up there who cares about them and will make sure everything will work out in the end. That would be a basic start towards an ethic of responsibility in the here-and-now for what happens to us all. But as long as someone thinks that Jesus will magically save them in the end, you will have no luck getting through to them on pretty much any issue that conflicts with their warm and extremely fuzzy view of the universe.

  189. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    That was really great.
    “Five-Sided Wind Tunnel”
    Brilliant.

  190. dale September 4, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    I think I’ve found the proper analogy:
    Republicans are the equivalent of the guy who says to you; “you know, you’re a low class bastard who doesn’t go to church enough, and I’ll treat you like shit, but if you vote for me, I’ll make sure you can continue to say this same kind of shit about anyone beneath you on the totem pole, deal?”
    The Democrats are the equivalent of the guy who comes up slaps you on the back gives you a big grin and a handshake and as soon as you turn your back he whispers to the guy next to him as he gestures towards you… “what an asshole”.

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  191. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    God doesn’t have to be involved, but it used to provide a nice, unquestionable reason.
    “Yahweh told me to build this church. QED.”
    What kind of medieval peon questioned the word of the Lord?
    A soon to be roasted one.

  192. xhalor September 4, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    “What are the chances of having a real discussion about metaphysics and phenomenology and existence and being?”
    I remember something Johnny Winter once said about playing the blues. He said that if he actually had the blues, it made it almost impossible for him to get in the right frame of mind to perform or create music.
    I suspect that while so much of the world has a justifiable case of the blues, any real social change will be slow in coming. Too much energy is spent just trying to survive.

  193. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    I don’t mind if atheist BELIEVE that there is no higher being. What I do mind is when they belittle people who hold other beliefs because they are not the one they hold. Those atheist who claim that there have a hold on reality and rationality are the worst.
    Yes, atheism IS A BELIEF! You cannot prove the nonexistence of a higher being. Here are some “arguments” that are not valid.
    “I have never seen a God, therefore it does not exist.”
    “People who believe in God have done terrible things.”
    “A “God” would never let things like “that” happen.” Fill in your own bad thing.
    You can no more prove the nonexistence of a supreme being, than Saddam could prove he did not have WMDs. Even if we had dug up every inch of Iraq to 100 meters deep, the Neocons would have said he hid them deeper, or moved them.
    You can also not prove where the mass/energy of the universe came from. The universe is a causal universe, where effect follows cause.
    Without something else, there would still be nothing. Here is an exercise in your ability to visualize. Try to visualize NOTHING, no space, mass/energy, or time. I can’t.
    So, if you are an atheist feel free to hold your belief, but please stop belittling others because their beliefs differ from yours.
    Now that I think of it, the actions of atheists attacking others’ beliefs is VERY SIMILAR to what many organized religions do.

  194. dale September 4, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    Now that I think of it, the actions of atheists attacking others’ beliefs is VERY SIMILAR to what many organized religions do.
    ———————–
    True….an unbiased POV would simply regard the subject as unsolvable and loose interest.

  195. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    There is a very basic response to assertions like yours.
    The burden of proof is upon the person who proposes the belief. In other words, if someone tells me that there is an invisible magical teapot circling around my head right now, I’m going to request some evidence for it. There is absolutely no burden upon me to prove the “nonexistence” of said teapot, and this, in itself, is an absurd request.
    There has never been any evidence for god or gods that wasn’t overturned under scrutiny. Never ever ever. Provide me a counter-example please.
    I bet you are mostly a non-believer yourself. Do you believe in Thor, Odin, or Set? Of course, you don’t. I just go all the way with it.
    And “atheism” isn’t a belief. Don’t call me that. I simply don’t believe in fantastical, children’s fairy tales like Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and Yahweh. Capiche?
    “You cannot prove the nonexistence of a higher being.”
    It is not my responsibility to prove “nonexistence”. It is up to the person making the proposition to provide actual evidence. Is this some kind of novel concept for you or what?
    And, to be fair, I don’t rule out something outside of our universe, but I do completely reject specific belief systems like Christianity and Islam. Their assertions are easily disproven, if you actually known how to follow a chain of logical argument. But for many people, that’s quite a challenge.
    Would you mock an adult that still believed in the existence of the Easter Bunny? What about unicorns, leprechauns, and fairies? Yeah, that’s about where I’m at with this stuff at this point.

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  196. xport September 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    Make an effort to uncomplicate. Simple is right. When the shoe fits, the foot is forgotten. Every sentient being now existing can see the light, feel the heat, know the cold, find a way between right and wrong. Welcome to the reality party.

  197. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    Specific religious assertions, such as that Eve was made from Adam’s rib bone, are easily disproven. They have been shot down again and again as humanity learns more about the universe.
    But I agree that on the “big issues” like what created the universe and so forth, there is a distinct lack of evidence. Perhaps the questions are unanswerable, or we wouldn’t understand the answders. So these types of topics can result in a big question mark. I wonder why we seem to have such trouble with the unknowns. I’m comfortable not filling in those blanks with made-up hogwash, but I don’t see the same willingness to not know from the religious types. They want everything all wrapped up in a little Jesus box.

  198. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    “Now that I think of it, the actions of atheists attacking others’ beliefs is VERY SIMILAR to what many organized religions do.”
    This is an oft-repeated but superficial comparison. To your mind, I suppose anyone having an argument about anything somehow resembles a religious person attacking another person’s beliefs.
    You seem to subscribe to this post-modern paradigm that one belief system is as good or valid as any other. Sorry, but I don’t buy it, and I seriously doubt you actually live your life that way. I assume you go to a scientifically based hospital with professional doctors when you get sick, rather than visit your preacher so he can lay on hands. And why is that? Think about it. You’ve already made a selection as to what belief system is actually true when it comes to disease and injury. You’re just, for some reason, not willing to admit it.

  199. dale September 4, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    And “atheism” isn’t a belief. Don’t call me that. I simply don’t believe in fantastical, children’s fairy tales like Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and Yahweh. Capiche?
    ——————————
    Sorry Turkle, doesn’t wash, you most strenuously and affirmatively believe in the absence. That is a belief as well, nothing unbiased about it.

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  201. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Furthermore, I retain the right to question outmoded Bronze Age belief systems when they are used by political contigents to steer our politics. If these muddle-headed morons kept their beliefs to themselves, I would shut my mouth. But they don’t. (Witness the modern Republican Party, writ large.) So I won’t either. Complete acceptance and tolerance of wrong and unfounded beliefs is not a virtue, to my mind, not at all.
    Thanks.

  202. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.
    Just because you have not seen evidence does not mean something is not there.
    You are in denial about you belief being a belief.
    Just because human tools and senses cannot detect something does not mean it does not exist.
    People a few hundred years ago did not believe in the existence of subatomic particles.
    Physicists talk about additional dimensions. Can you see into all of these.
    Did the universe just happen without cause?

  203. dale September 4, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Try as I might I’ll never be able to explain algebra to my cat, to him, it’s completely unfathomable. He sees no evidence for it, finds no connection in the equations. From his POV it’s meaningless.
    I suppose if he insisted there absolutely positively WAS no connect in the equations (because it’s beyond his comprehension) then he would be an atheist regarding algebra….and from his POV he would be right.
    Now…this analogy is not perfect, but I do think it points out one of the essential problems with your argument, how do you know you’re not the cat?

  204. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Yes, dale, my bias is towards reality. I have never encountered anything in my sensory perception that suggests Santa Claus is an actual person who lives in the North Pole with a bunch of elves and flies around the earth in one night to deliver presents to all the children. (How? I don’t know. I guess he’s got some kind of time stopping power like in that novel The Fermata.)
    So I wouldn’t even call this a belief. The non-existance of this fat, red, jolly entity is a working theory that has served me very well, thanks.
    Should I see his sleigh leaving vapor trails over my house with Rudolph’s nose blinking away, I’ll be happy to amend this hypothesis.

  205. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Yeah, muddy, I agree, but I’m not willing to simply make up entities and beliefs to fill the gaps, ya dig? I’m perfectly happy to say that I don’t know.

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  206. dale September 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Did the universe just happen without cause?
    ——————————
    Maybe the universe happened beyond cause.

  207. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 6:54 pm #

    turkle,
    I am a Christian, but I also do not believe that anyone should force their beliefs upon others. I will stand by your side on that, but not when you try to prove that your belief is better than that of anyone else.
    Now someone who is an agnostic, has a rational philosophy because they leave open the option of new evidence.
    On the other hand an atheist has said that no supreme being exists.
    Also, agnostics rarely denigrate people with other beliefs.

  208. k-dog September 4, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    How can this be, you ask? The brass are puzzled too. The reason can’t be that Afghans don’t like night raids, torture, GIs going house to house and shooting women and kids, drone strikes blowing up weddings, and other routine mechanisms of democratization.

    Funny how that happens. (not)
    The Reality Party will adopt the attitude of what goes around comes around and do a 180 degree turn on foreign policy. Practicing the golden rule is a reality based position and the military industrial complex is killing us. They need to be put out of business and we need to take the high road.

  209. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    “Did the universe just happen without cause?”
    What exists beyond our universe or what existed before it are big questions, and not ones that we are likely ever to answer with certainty.
    But what makes you think that religion is a useful tool for investigating these topics? Given religion’s multi-thousand year tract record of completely wrong and backward assertions about reality, I’m comfortable with labeling it as useless in this regard.
    Because one creation myth is as good as any other. They’re all essentially made-up. When I read Genensis, my mind basically says “wrong” after every sentence. They didn’t get anything right, according to what we think actually occurred following the Big Bang, which used to be an inaccessible period of time, that has now been opened-up due to diligent research into cosmology. Religion had NOTHING to offer there (like usual).

  210. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    On the other hand an atheist has said that no supreme being exists.
    Also, agnostics rarely denigrate people with other beliefs.
    ———————-
    Precisely so, to disavow any possibility of god, is to disavow any manner in which it might manifest or be defined.
    That isn’t the same thing as saying, Christians who thing the world is flat and square, because in the Bible somewhere it says “the four corners of the earth”, are scientifically wrong. Turkle’s statements are much more sweeping and unequivocal than that.
    Furthermore, Turkle knows that Santa Claus is real.

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  211. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    “I also do not believe that anyone should force their beliefs upon others”
    And you don’t think that a ludicrous, out-dated Bronze Age religion was forced upon YOU at some point in your life? Get real.
    “On the other hand an atheist has said that no supreme being exists.”
    I tend to discuss specific religions and their belief systems and doctrines, which are usually easily refuted and disproven, by the simplest form of logical analysis. Therefore, I profess disbelief in their pet sky gods, such as Yahweh. If I sometimes do not mention this context, I apologize.
    I don’t think that I ever said that I completely rule out some quasi-intelligent entity that we can’t perceive, existing in some realm that is inaccessible or not perceptable.
    On the other hand, it seems unlikely, as I don’t see any kind of intelligent hand at work when I look at the current picture we have of the universe. It looks more like chaos, like the ocean waves. That’s what I think most people have trouble accepting, that much of the natural world is NOT under the control of some overarching entity directing it all.
    If it were the case, and the universe were designed by some entity, say for humans to exist within, why not make more than our tiny little globe and a few other rocks inhabitable by intelligent entities? The actual reality is a incomprehensibly vast void, almost entirely devoid of anything resembling life. For that reason, I seriously doubt the whole she-bang was put into motion or “designed” in the way that you think it was.

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  213. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    Furthermore, Turkle. You don’t want to confuse religion and spiritual experience, the two are not the same. I’ve heard it said that religion is the detritus left over following genuine spiritual experience. I’m not saying that statement is the absolute truth, but there is a lot of truth to it.

  214. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    dale, why don’t you backup a second and examine how you actually live your life? When someone makes an assertion about reality, I’m assuming that it must pass some filter of reasonableness in your mind for you to even consider it. You don’t, I’m assuming, always leave the door open, just in case the other person might be right. If I told you that reality is actually governed and controlled by trillions of microscopic blue elves who live in fairie-land, I’m assuming your response is going to be, “That turkle, he needs to lay off the drugs,” rather than, “Hm, you could be right about those little guys.”
    Similarily, specific assertions about this and that god don’t pass my reality filter. They’re generally unreasonable and need not even be considered as a logical possibility, because the details are clearly wrong. I don’t even feel a need to examine the “big picture” behind it. The devil’s in the details, ya know?

  215. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    The problem I have with “god” being used as an explanation is that it generally explains absolutely NOTHING. It is a cop out.
    For instance, if you want to posit a first mover, then you are left with the obvious question, “What created this God?” And so forth. So, essentially, your answer does not address the question.

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  216. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    On the other hand, it seems unlikely, as I don’t see any kind of intelligent hand at work when I look at the current picture we have of the universe. It looks more like chaos, like the ocean waves.
    —————————-
    Or like algebra to my cat…..”why are you bothering me with this shit I can’t eat it, or play with it?” I know it’s comforting to think you know what is actually “real” Turkle, but it’s just the play of your mind…….Sorry.

  217. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    I have never heard the term “spiritual” explained sufficiently to me in a way that convinced me it wasn’t something other than just a complex feeling or emotion. The mind state of Buddhist monks while meditating is accessible to science and consists primarily of a specific set of brain wave frequencies that lead to an overall body state. There are proven health benefits to such a state of being and to frequent meditation, but I’m not convinced that those in such a state are tapped into some kind of higher consciousness or truth, other than the body and mind’s natural ability to relax itself when not in danger or under stress. So I’d look at these specific (psuedo-religious?) practices as useful behavior or tools, but just because they have benefits doesn’t mean that some higher level entity is pouring truth into that person’s mind. In other words, the practice of meditation can be separated from religious doctrine and belief.
    Similarly, just because you have a self-described “spiritual” experience doesn’t mean I’m going to lose my logical faculties and believe that you’ve somehow tapped into the truth of everything. Perhaps you just ate some funky mushrooms or didn’t get enough sleep. Or you could be schizophrenic.

  218. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Turkle,
    Awhile back you suggested that if I didn’t believe in “reality” (as you were describing it) I should jump off a tall cliff and see what happens. That is I would find out about the “the immutable laws of science” or something like that.
    What if the cliff was on the moon, or on mars? They exist, in your belief system, but the effect of my jumping off of those would be quite different. Because the truth of something is always relative to the system of measurement (or context)…..always.
    What you are missing is that EVERYTHING is relative to a system of measurement. You’re mistaking what you see, for what is. You have to take the leap to grasp that, and it’s not necessarily a pleasant experience, but there is a lot of truth to that as well.

  219. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Did the universe just happen without cause?
    ====================
    Yes. A creator is an unnecessary hypothesis.
    If you hypothecate a creator, it begs the question: who created the creator?
    If you say the creator needed no creator, them you are hypothecating that something can exist wihout a creator.
    Ockham’s Razor makes a creator a superfluous hypothesis. There is no need to hypothecate a creator.
    Stop hypothecating unnecessary invisible beings.

  220. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Well, then I should have amended my request to specify the earth. Would that have been specific enough? Then we would be talking about earthly realities.

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  221. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    The mind state of Buddhist monks while meditating is accessible to science and consists primarily of a specific set of brain wave frequencies that lead to an overall body state.
    ————————————-
    Oh really? “the mind state of Buddhist monks (and presumably anyone else) is accessible”….well then, I challenge you or all of your scientific friends to a test.
    I am thinking of a vegetable right now, what is it? Use all the scientific meters and brain wave detectors you like……well? How’s that access working out for you?

  222. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    I am thinking of a vegetable right now, what is it?
    ================
    Celery.

  223. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Actually, dale, if we hook you up with the right equipment, we can get some idea of what you’re thinking of. There’s technology out there that allows researchers to reconstruct the mental images of rats. So it is accessible to science, just not easily!

  224. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    Kumquat?
    Or is that a fruit?
    Damn.

  225. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    Sorry, Squash…..;) But your try would be as good as all the scientists and their ‘brain wave detectors’ could do, I’m sure.

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  226. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    Botanically speaking kumquats have seeds and are fruits. You have failed dale’s test.

  227. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Botanically speaking, kumquats have seeds and are fruits. WE have failed dale’s test.

  228. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    Actually, dale, if we hook you up with the right equipment, we can get some idea of what you’re thinking of.
    —————————
    Well if that’s true then your going to have to prove it, because as far as I’ve ever heard, no one has ever accessed the specifics of anyone else’s thoughts….”scientifically” that is. But I always know when my cat wants a treat.

  229. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    See, now dale is using the findings of science on relativity to try and disprove science. What a weird way to go.
    At any rate, our discussions always see to end with you asserting that we can’t know anything, that reality is an illusion, and that every belief system is as valid as any other, which is a weird set of beliefs if there were any.
    So why even bother with any of this, dale? Why not just go outside and sit in the sun or something? What exactly is your agenda in injecting such fuzzy sophomoric relativism into every discussion?
    I think its a certain line of argument that you feel is deployable in any situation.
    Oh, I just got out-argued. No problem, I’ll just deploy the usual “We can’t know anything” line to confuse the sucker.
    Again, do you actually live your life by this creed? Of course not. It only works in internet debates where nothing is at stake. Certainly when you stop at the red light, you believe in its reality. And when you get sick with a disease, you believe in the reality of the germs causing it. Only in the most abstract discussions where nothing is at stake does your kind of (il)logic fly (like a stuck pig).

  230. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    We have a “spiritual” connection.

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  231. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    Are you hypothecating a spiritual connection?
    How do you know for sure?

  232. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    asoka,
    “Ockham’s Razor makes a creator a superfluous hypothesis.”
    So having a huge amount of mass/energy/space/time just springing into existence is the simplest explanation?

  233. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    Teddy Kennedy is at the DNC!

  234. dale September 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    See, now dale is using the findings of science on relativity to try and disprove science. What a weird way to go.
    ————————————–
    No, actually I’m trying to point out to you the limits of what you can know through sensual impression, and that limitation applies to science as well, as all observations are filtered through those same five senses.
    You’re seeing the world as if your eyes are lens through which you view an absolute reality, and, if you really think about it, it’s kind of sophomoric to regard the little key hole you view the world through with your little brain….as all there is.
    But, I’ll leave it at that, I know that you, me…and my cat, have more in common than you think.

  235. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    turkle,
    “Would you mock an adult that still believed in the existence of the Easter Bunny? What about unicorns, leprechauns, and fairies? Yeah, that’s about where I’m at with this stuff at this point.”
    I would probably not mock them because they would probably be mentally deficient or insane.
    However, I would mock people who are apparently normal who believe that they know the true reality of everything, because anyone who believes they know it all eventually get a rude awakening.

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  236. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    “no one has ever accessed the specifics of anyone else’s thoughts”
    That’s not at all true. There have been many different “mind reading” experiments lately, which, though largely based on inference, make certain specific brain activity having to do with perception and memory accessible to scientifc scrutiny.
    After all, thoughts do not exist outside of the realm of “reality”, so I’m not sure why you’d think otherwise.

  237. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    “they would probably be mentally deficient or insane”
    Well, there you go with your judgements of other people’s belief systems.
    Now, I guess you know how I feel about the religion-minded.

  238. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    turkle,
    “If it were the case, and the universe were designed by some entity, say for humans to exist within, why not make more than our tiny little globe and a few other rocks inhabitable by intelligent entities? The actual reality is a incomprehensibly vast void, almost entirely devoid of anything resembling life. For that reason, I seriously doubt the whole she-bang was put into motion or “designed” in the way that you think it was.”
    I have never seen anything in the Bible that says that there are no other planets inhabited with intelligent life. The Bible only deals with life on Earth. There could be dozens of planets in our galaxy that could also have intelligent life, no to mention in other galaxies. The light speed limit will keep us ignorant of civilizations more than a few hundred light years away.
    I know that some religious people believe we are the only ones, but they made that up themselves.
    Also, I do not claim to understand it all, but I believe that science can give us some hints about the creation.

  239. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    “as all there is”
    When did I ever state this?
    “through which you view an absolute reality”
    Yes, I believe I observe a tiny sliver of this overall reality. I don’t necessarily think it is absolute, in the sense of never-changing or not mediated by perception and measurement.
    What you really seem to have been arguing is that my perceptions have no correspondence at all with objects that exist external to myself, which just seems like plain old narcissistic solipsism.
    I agree about the keyhole. I don’t have a full perception of all that exists through my piddly senses. On the hand, to argue that what I see has no relation at all to an external reality that we all experience is not born out, in a practical sense. Otherwise, I’d probably be dead from running that red light that actually looked green to me or jumping off a 100 foot cliff that looked like small step to me.

  240. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    “they would probably be mentally deficient or insane”
    Well, there you go with your judgements of other people’s belief systems.
    ===============
    I think Mike was being descriptive of religious folk, not judgmental.

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  242. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    “I would mock people who are apparently normal who believe that they know the true reality of everything”
    I have met far more people like this who profess to be religious rather than atheist or agnostic in my short little existence. Scientists (or let’s just say rational people), in my experience, are far more comfortable saying, “I don’t know” than those who are doctrinal religious believers. The natural inclination of a scientifically-minded person is to study the question and to see if science can provide answers. Some might then even design experiments to test the validity of these answers.
    On the other hand, religious people tend to believe that they already have most of the answers, even to questions that have not been asked yet. They are generally not all that comfortable with skepticism, which is the underpinning of science. Doubt and uncertainty are a difficult experience for many people, so they need things to be wrapped up for them with easy answers.
    At least, that’s my overgeneralized stereotype. There’s a lot of mix and match. But I think, generally speaking, scientists and those with like minds are much more comfortable confronting “reality,” or whatever you want to call it, head on rather than thinking up simplistic, a priori explanations for everything that exists, even before the homework is assigned.

  243. beantown bill September 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    I’m actually enjoying this 3 way debate, even if no one’s mind will be changed. I happen to respect Dale’s, Turk’s and Mike’s minds – they are good thinkers (most of the time). In this instance I have to side with Turkle. Also, methinks Dale and Mike are trying too hard to prove their points, whereas Turk is just stating the obvious.
    Turkle’s strongest point is that it is up to the others to try to prove God’s existence, not for Turk to disprove it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and it is incumbent upon Mike and Dale to provide it.
    What is the basis of your claims that God exists? Is it reliable evidence? All original claims of God’s existence comes from the Bible. Do you really know the Bible is the word of God, or is that just another unprovable claim?
    Does God approve of science? He must, because he structured our minds to operate in a manner condusive to looking at the world that way. Does science have some operating rules, rules that make it impossible to prove his existence scientifically? To me, this line of reasoning makes God’s existence unlikely.
    I won’t go into the spirit in the sky description that Turkle uses (btw, X, I knew Norman Greenbaum pretty well), because it’s already been said, but I happen to concur with him.

  244. turkleton September 4, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    “The Bible only deals with life on Earth.”
    Yup, and its completely wrong on that account, too, just by virtue of omission. No mention of evolution or geology, not to mention the dinosaurs, trilobites, or bacteria. You’d think such essential parts of our earthly reality would have been included by a supreme being dictating his Holy Book to the peons.
    What you actually get is a muddle-headed, wonky account of all animals being created at once, and then Eve being conjured up from Adam’s rib bone. That’s because the Bible is a bunch of ancient writings written by men, not God, and back then, people didn’t have the foggiest notion about the natural world.
    Why do people even still pay attention to this stuff? Please crack a good Biology textbook if you actually want to learn anything about Planet Earth. At this point, the Bible is just good for laughs.

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  247. asoka.. September 4, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    At this point, the Bible is just good for laughs.
    ================
    Turk, here I disagree with you. The Bible is a pornographic book, full of violence, and is not very funny.
    According to the Bible, women’s vaginas taste like “wine” (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)
    The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!
    A sister can have incestuous thoughts about her brother and about giving him “blow jobs” in her dreams and it isn’t something wrong after all according to the Bible. Song of Songs 8:1-3 “If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother’s house — she who has taught me.”
    Women’s breasts are important sexual objects, especially for licking and sucking! According to the Bible: “Dear brothers, I’m a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he’ll soon be satisfied.” Song of Solomon 8:10.
    If a sister has a very attractive brother, the pornographic Bible advises her to try to sleep with him in bed!! Song of Songs 8:1-3
    There are many more instances of porn in the Bible, but I’ll stop there.
    The violence in the Bible is so shocking it is not even suitable for CFN.

  248. muddmike September 4, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    turkle,
    “On the other hand, religious people tend to believe that they already have most of the answers, even to questions that have not been asked yet. They are generally not all that comfortable with skepticism, which is the underpinning of science. Doubt and uncertainty are a difficult experience for many people, so they need things to be wrapped up for them with easy answers.”
    You are confusing fundamentalist literalists, who are a minority of Christians. I have worked with many other Christian scientists, who do not treat the Bible as a science textbook. Much science has been developed by Catholic clerics, including, Copernicus, Mendel, Bacon and a host of others. The Jesuits a known for their scientific works.
    I believe in a God, but I also believe in evolution. In my opinion, a God who could start a universe that 15 billion years would develop human life is greater that one who would have to hand make everything.
    Even though many who do not take the Bible literally, can seek knowledge and wisdom in its stories. No human or group of humans can become even close to understanding God. That still does not stop me from believing. However, I do not force my belief on anyone who does not wish to know.
    “I agree about the keyhole. I don’t have a full perception of all that exists through my piddly senses. ”
    In the above statement you show the promise of being an agnostic, a position I can respect. However, the position that there absolutely is no God is a fundamentalist and unbending as the worst religious extremists.

  249. Jam47 September 4, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    People need religion like a baby needs a pacifier.
    Take a pacifier from an anxious baby and he goes bonkers. Take religion from the billions of people who need it, and the world would become far crazier and more cruel than it is now.
    Few people are constituted to endure the soul-deep sense of loneliness that comes with being a deist or an atheist.
    Putting aside religion is not going to make the human race grow up. The growing-up has to come before the putting-aside.

  250. anti soak September 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Turkleton, in his previous incarnation as turkle,
    insisted I had never met a ‘psychic’.
    Ive met a few, from ‘mind reader charlatans’ on thru to some of the best.
    What about you Dale, have you ever met someone who had ESP? Or could ‘sink their foot in rock’?

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  251. anti soak September 4, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    What about Obamas and Mitts believers?
    Can you please mock them?
    Ill take the Easter Bunny [an adaptation from spring fertility rites] over those 2 any day.

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  253. Nastarana September 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    I don’t know that God was involved, nor that He wasn’t. I do know that builders of the Great Churches of Europe believed they were working for the greater glory of God.
    What interests me is how, in a feudalistic society, in which, allegedly, we are told, everyone had a place, determined by his or her birth, and knew their place, artistic and musical talent were recognized and encouraged. Not to mention intellectual ability; you might be surprised to learn how many Popes and other high churchmen were sons of peasants. Meanwhile, in late stage capitalism, in which we all have alleged “freedom” to “be what we want to be”, square pegs are to be seen suffering and squirming in round holes where ever one looks.

  254. Nastarana September 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    A great deal of the literature of earlier civilizations is what you are pleased to term ‘pornagraphic’. I rather think the ancients may have had a much more straightforward view of such matters than do we. In fact,the Loeb Classical Library is even now engaged in commissioning new translations of classical texts not encumbered with Victorian euphamism. Classics for adults. I am all for it.

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  256. Jam47 September 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    People will talk at length and with great enthusiasm about the existence or non-existence of God and about the foolishness or not of the great religions without ever mentioning the very thing that created these religions and gave them their billions of adherents–namely death and what comes after it.
    The death/afterdeath idea is more important (to my mind) than the God idea. It’s more important because it’s more fundamental. God may or may not exist, but death certainly does, and it’s coming for all of us.
    Theists think that they’ve solved the death problem by believing in God and by following his prescriptions. Atheists mock them for this, and rightly so. But many atheists are no better. Some seem to think that their disbelief solves, for them, the death problem. This is foolish.
    Let us say that God does not exist. The fact of his non-existence has nothing, nothing whatever, to do with the fate of the human mind when the body that supposedly contains it ceases to live.
    Human consciousness and death. What is the relation between the two? This problem, this mystery, rides human beings harder than any other. In comparison, discussions about theism, agnosticism, deism, atheism, are mere entertainments.

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  260. dale September 5, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and it is incumbent upon Mike and Dale to provide it.
    ——————————-
    That’s all too often the problem with debate here….I never claimed god existed, only that believing that it doesn’t (an unprovable negative) is no different than believing that it does, in terms of they are both belief systems. A purely objective POV would point out that there is both no evidence it does, and that it is also a rather persistent artifact of human experience. Persistent artifacts often turn out to have a referent, although perhaps not the one we imagine.
    My other point was, and it’s entirely lost on Turkle, is that what he thinks are self existent entities outside of himself, exist for him, only by way of sensory impressions, which are not the objects themselves. He insists this is solipsism because he simply doesn’t understand the implications of getting beyond his own unproven assumptions.
    …and now I’m bored with the subject and my cat is hungry.

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  261. dale September 5, 2012 at 1:14 am #

    I haven’t met any “mind readers” per se. But as I said, I know when my cat wants a treat. My point was that, if Turkle wants to prove to me that science can read my mind, that is, comprehend the visual images it constructs and tell me what they were (not show me some wavy lines on a scope), he needs to cite the study where that was done, because I don’t believe it.

  262. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 1:14 am #

    Been looking at Facebook: my old girlfriend is a rising star in the Liberal/Democratic Hierarchy. Also named Michelle. She has a Black husband and frog faced little Black son.
    My childhood friend turned queer as a three dollar bill.
    The rock star I worked with came to nothing – she’s now a tired looking middle aged woman who looks older than her years. She was quite beautiful and glamorous but never found the mark artistically. She was always trying to fit in with the current fad. Meanwhile the little dirtbag Mary Lou Lord rose from singing on the Boston subway to dating Kurt Cobain and getting signed. She looks radiant – far more beautiful than she did as a young woman.
    And so it goes: Beings are rising and falling but all will die and face judgement. Luckily, because because beings are “no beings” they can ultimately be liberated from their selfhood – and all the judgement that comes with it. If Beings were really Beings there could be no liberation….
    Mysterious Power: G.K Chesterton wrote a novel describing how Political Correctness and Islam would combine to threaten England – before WW1.
    http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Inn-G-K-Chesterton/dp/048641910X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346820634&sr=1-1&keywords=the+flying+inn+dover

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  266. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    Well the two naturally go together: If God or Spirit exists, then it is quite natural to assume that conscious beings are more than their physical bodies – that they are spirits too – less than God but somehow like Him, in his image, and/or especially loved by Him.
    The idea that we survive death but that is no ultimate reality is a very strange one. Sylvan Muldoon, author of Projection of the Astral Body, seemed to hold this view. He very naturally left his physical body and explored other worlds, but felt that although interesting, it was ultimately meaningless. He was horrifed by the Knowlege that there was no death and he would go on and on…
    The idea of the Buddhist Nirvana as exctinction may have comforted him – although Buddha said that that was an imbalanced conception of it – as was saying that it was personal survivial.

  267. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 1:42 am #

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  268. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Theres a lil movie [could be on youtube] about Garchen Rinpoche and it touched briefly on his ability to know his student [s?] doings.

  269. banana republican September 5, 2012 at 1:45 am #

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  270. Buck Stud September 5, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Your post got me thinking about an old childhood acquaintance. Little did I know way back in the day that one of the players in our sandlot football games would end up being a truly great and recognized athlete. Our little games were almost an evening ritual in the summer and fall, with many of the neighborhood kids congregating at the local elementary school to pick teams for our tackle football battles. These games were rough skirmishes; we wore no helmets, pads, mouth guards, etc . The out-of-bounds line was the chain link fence and the goal line was delineated by a long metal jungle-gym type bar that welcomed a TD with a flip or jolt. Invariably, after an hour or two of beating the crap out of each other we would take a rest. Or on those nights when we wanted a treat of visual magic, someone would deliberately kick the ball onto the top roof of the school so we could grab a glimpse of a super-natural-born-thing in motion. And then off he went, up, up, up the tall cottonwood, all the way to the top it seemed, branch to branch, limb to limb – he was ‘The Proudest Monkey’ you ever did see (thank you Dave Matthews!). And then back down again, to the level of the second story roof where he would leap a ridiculously long distance without fear from the tree to the building, sometimes catching himself with no more than a fingernail grip. After pulling himself up onto the roof,and throwing the ball back down, he would then languidly hang from that very same roof again, until deciding to let go and transforming the fall itself into the landing of a cat.
    Being bit older than the rest of us he eventually stopped coming to our games and so I fell out of contact with him. Truth be told, I didn’t have all that much respect for his sport back in those days. It wasn’t football, baseball or basketball and so I paid it little heed. And besides all that, he and his brother had this strange James Dean fashion thing going on with the rolled up white T-shirt sleeves. Which somehow seems appropriate in the reminscing aftermath; he was named “Theo” after all.
    A few years after that I learned he was the state gymnastic champion, and then the NCAA champion. Eventually he ended up as a technical adviser to the US Men’s Olympic gymnastic team.

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  271. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 1:47 am #

    Indeed. Astrology, Politics, Feng Shui, etcetcetc.
    Alot of things vie for the ‘true believers’ [ which is the title of a great book].

  272. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    Meanwhile Alex puts on her eye patch and plays pirate with and by herself. The Parrot watches in horrified amazement. He attempts to express his feelings in words but the only ones he knows are “Pieces of Eight, Pieces of Eight” and “Thar she blows”.

  273. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 2:28 am #

    Wait – did you tell that one before? If we all keep doing this for a few decades we’ll know all of each other’s stories till we don’t know where we end and another begins. Remember that old Star Trek episode where they come upon the combined consciousnesses of the last 50 of a dead world? Their desire for life was too strong to be destroyed yet they couldn’t stay apart from each other? Perhaps that’s how they managed it?
    The newer Star Treks were more sophisticated in some personal and social ways – but they all fell short of the original in terms of the possibilities of higher consciousness.
    It is good to remember the past – something many Americans don’t do with their busy lives. The kind of “present” that produces is a superficial “jazzed one” – closer to the animal than to the Eternal Present of the Zen Master. That Present includes the past and the future with its embrace.
    I admit a good Sax solo is Soulful and can be a vehicle for some real time traveling.

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  279. XXX5 September 5, 2012 at 2:58 am #

    Asoka said:
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    ***************************************************************
    Look, you can’t even spell the word right. It’s HYPOTHECATE and, yes, I’m “doubling down”. You see, dopey, I have an UNABRIDGED dictionary and instead of giving a third meaning under “hypothecate” as a synonym for “hypothesize”, the word “hypothecate” is DOUBLE LISTED and in the second list in Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary, it is, indeed a SYNONYM for hypothesize in addition to the meanings you displayed. It figures you wouldn’t get it right because your dilettantism implies an inability to stay with a topic for one nanosecond beyond your own personal, private “proofs”.
    What you did was look at the abridged version of Webster’s ONLINE and NOT at an ACTUAL unabridged dictionary. And you stopped a half-second after your “proof”. Try reading BOOKS every now and then. The funniest part of this is that you have recently criticized your own habit of regarding Wikipedia’s thoroughness and in this case it is INADEQUATE.
    You want to double down, dude? Of course you won’t because it’s likely you don’t have an unabridged dictionary BOOK in your residence. Now there’s an insight.
    E.

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  282. XXX5 September 5, 2012 at 3:03 am #

    Asoka’s drive to prove that “hypothecate” is not also a synonym for hypothesize proves that he not only doesn’t read BOOKS … he also doesn’t even do his Internet research thoroughly.
    Here is the link for Synonyms.com:
    http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/hypothecate/
    Where the following group of words are listed as the second sense of the meaning of “hypothecate”:
    Sense 2:
    speculate, theorize, theorise, conjecture, hypothesize, hypothesise, hypothecate, suppose
    Notice that the TWO spellings of “hypothesize” are in this list with “hypothecate”. You can quit your pursuit now, Asoka. You’ve made yourself a fool twice over.
    E.

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  284. XXX5 September 5, 2012 at 3:15 am #

    Great post, Jim. Great because on the ground where my friends, family, and their friends and family live. And all I see is tremendous struggle. Not a month goes by where I don’t hear stories about people in their 50’s or 60’s unable to pay the taxes on their homes, having to give up telephone lines that have been in their family for 60 years, the constant paying of bills by credit because salaries do not allow for anything beyond hand-to-mouth styles of existence.
    Joe Stiglitz showed months ago, on finance.yahoo.com, that the American middle class was now nonexistent with only token exceptions. That same site had an article today about how the vast majority of US jobs are flunky retail jobs with zero security and, usually, no healthcare and awful pay.
    A “reality party”, indeed. But what you didn’t talk much about is the media’s complicity in all of this with their use of the phoniest data on employment (the U3, not the U6, number … much less Williams’ even more accurate numbers in shadowstats). The media seems as determined as the politicians to paint a picture of a “gentle” downturn that we’re “pulling out of”. Even Obama insists that we just need to “do more” … with the implication that “we’ve come a long way, baby”.
    Meanwhile, the number of direct reports I hear of sudden, rapid, personal economic collapses in my sphere of friends and their contacts is spiralling out of control. This is an out-and-out, full scale depression. It’s just that the government reckons that 200,000 janitors with baccalaureates or better is being “fully employed”. Sigh.
    E.

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  296. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 8:46 am #

    You can quit your pursuit now, Asoka. You’ve made yourself a fool twice over.
    =================
    E., I quit when I apologized to you for my error. Perhaps you missed that post above. Perhaps you chose to ignore it. Perhaps you don’t accept apologies.
    I am a fool. I have admitted as much many times on CFN. I have never been Teacher of the Year.
    BeingThere was correct: you are the most intelligent poster on CFN. This in no way detracts from my success as a fool. In fact, the contrast makes my foolishness even more apparent.
    I am so happy you choose to spend your time reading and responding to the posts of a fool. I could hypothecate about what that makes you, but I will refrain.
    PS. I hypothecate we are not in an economic depression. I could provide evidence, primary data, but of what value is evidence produced by a fool? Further, I hypothecate that you deny data produced by government agencies, so it is useless to continue to discuss with you. I hypothecate that we will never come to agreement because you are not a fool and I am a fool.

  297. BeingThere September 5, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    E.
    Can’t write much at work
    BUT the beginning of a reality party is when we can all admit there’s no middle class and we are not a part of it anymore.
    The rest will follow….

  298. ragtop September 5, 2012 at 8:58 am #

    Been away, for a while, sharpening my baffoonery. Have missed your post’s, James, and this one is a great essay. Sadly for all of us, the majority of Americans will not and can not get past the ‘my guy vs. your guy’ syndrome. A suggestion to improve your site, though. Please continue to police the comments, throughout the week. Your site is being inundated with spam. At least a dozen toward the middle of the week. Perhaps you lose interest in the comments?

  299. ozone September 5, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    ragtop,
    Just how does one go about sharpening one’s buffoonery?
    To buffoons like myself, these are essential techniques and further knowledge is always welcomed!
    (And please advise me on where I might purchase a jacket for my goose, if you would please. Thanks in advance.)

  300. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    BT, economist Richard Burk­hauser of Cornell has shown that, when the insurance value of health care and the value of certain government transfer payments are included in income, the top 20 percent of the income distribution experienced income growth of about 50 percent between 1979 and 2007 (in dollars adjusted for inflation).
    He also notes that households near the top of the top 20 percent have achieved income gains of well above 50 percent. But the income of households between the 60th and 80th percentiles grew by 40 percent, and those in the 40th to 60th percentile grew by nearly 40 percent. In these numbers, the disappearing middle class appears pretty healthy.

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  301. ozone September 5, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    “The Reality Party will adopt the attitude of what goes around comes around and do a 180 degree turn on foreign policy. Practicing the golden rule is a reality based position and the military industrial complex is killing us. They need to be put out of business and we need to take the high road.” -K of Dog
    I believe in those beliefs that leave others to handle their own affairs in peace.
    To believe this doesn’t require Jeebus to tell meddling or swindling assholes that they oughtn’t do dat.
    Simple experience might tell you that these beliefs (of minding your own fucking business) are the practical beliefs to believe in if you’d prefer you and yours not getting hurt. Versa vice, treat people fairly, and they’re more likely to return the “favor”.
    There’s plenty of other shit out there to hurt us, believe me! (If you don’t believe me, just ask me, I’ll tell you.)
    I believe I’ll believe in your golden rule-y type belief, as the evidence points to its’ consequences being believable… for now.

  302. ozone September 5, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Hey Kids!,
    Did you think that the 1st Amendment was a Constitutional “reality” in Kali-fornia?
    Looks like that reality has been redefined by legislative fiat. Better give it another think.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32358.htm
    Are all legislatures legitimate? Dey gots da same root, so I guess-o.
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  303. muddmike September 5, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    asoka,
    I’ll have to see if I can find the paper online. The problem I see, is why we are spending more on health insurance, that does not give us any better health care, and for many the amount that they have to pay out of pocket has increased. thus all of that increased “income” has been eaten up by health care inflation. I have to look to see how much of the “health care” inflation has gone to insurance companies, rather than actual medical care.

  304. EndofMore September 5, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    the cathedrals of the middle ages were constructed using energy, that energy was obtained by converting food into muscle power.
    At that time control of food production, ie the land, was in the hands of the either the king or the church, you got your sustenance by working for one or the other, (by paying rents)
    While cathedrals were being built, the workers lived in hovels, they had no access to the energy being used in the cathedrals.
    Cathedral building was a job creation scheme that left the workers no better off,
    Sounds familiar?

  305. EndofMore September 5, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    apologies for last Sunday morning, when you knocked on my door as I was responding to my good lady’s demands for horizontal recreation.
    I hope you reached the front gate before the dogs caught up with you.

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  306. budizwiser September 5, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Most of us live in a totally interdependent world at a point in history where the mistakes and powers of a few greedy men will amplify our misfortune of resource depletion.
    We think if we could just join our voices and steer our leaders to accepting the need for clearer vision we could navigate the dilemmas about to be born of our stupidity.
    This Blog is about discussing or arguing for against a perspective in these matters. And we can’t even manage rational discourse at this level.
    The futility of it all – at least JK’s remonstrations have a sort of verbose, poetic rhythm. I wish the rest of you would try harder – I need the diversion……

  307. Kyooshtik September 5, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    Jim Sinegal, former CEO of Costco was just interviewed on CNBC. He is pro-Obama. He says “if you were asked ‘are things better now than they were four years ago?’ the answer, unequivocably, would be yes.”
    As you might expect, I lost as much respect for Mr. Sinegal as I did for Drew Brees last week.
    It’s unequivocally Mr. Sinegal. Jesus, and to think, this man headed up a giant corporation.

  308. ozone September 5, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Hey,
    I tried; I failed; I gave up. I apologize for this egregious flaw in my character and will strive to correct it in my next life.
    You know the old saw: “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again… then give up; no sense being a damn fool about it.”

  309. fairguy September 5, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    Jim, although you are spot on with your observations about the failure of both parties to engage in a realistic conversation with their voters, and despite Obama’s critical failure to restore the rule of law to our financial affairs, I would still claim that we should prefer the Democrats over the Republicans in this election.
    Let’s for a moment ignore the rhetoric from both sides and consider what’s at stake. In the onset of the long emergency as we are currently experiencing, there will be hard choices to be made in the face of contraction. The Democratic way is better suited to considering the public good than the Republican – and that is quite critical in this situation.
    If you examine past collapses in advanced societies (like the USSR), there was a better chance of both individual and group survival when society was more egalitarian.
    So even if the Dems still delude themselves that the “American Dream” can carry on, many of them are equipped – at least in the back of their minds – with the sensibilities required to deal with upcoming events in a reasoned, fact-based approach. I wouldn’t say the same for the vast majority of Republicans.

  310. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    You can apologize. You can give up. That indicates you are not a damn fool. However, I hypothecate that, in spite of all you do correctly, someone will continue to call you a fool.

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  311. Kyooshtik September 5, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    This Blog is about discussing or arguing for [or]against a perspective in these matters.
    =============
    Budi, in my 3+ years here at CFN I have noted privately, with some amusement, your frustration (and consistency) in trying to herd the commenters (like cats) in the direction you imagine “this Blog is about.” You seem to think it is about resource depletion and what we are going to do about it. But, I assure you, what this blog is about (in order of importance) is:
    . spelling and grammar
    . the existence or non-existence of God
    . goose-down jackets
    . da joos and da blacks
    Please get with the program or get lost!

  312. rippedthunder September 5, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    And that’s all I’m gonna say about this.
    I’ve seen some nasty shit and if there is some almighty being have at it. If there is, he is a prick to the nth degree. I mean really, a lobster gets to grow a new leg but a 5 year old land mine victim can’t? A mother of five dies and a serial killer walks? Explain that one to me please. Do’t try to understand or find reason in the universe,You are WAY over your head.
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  313. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    This almost brought tears to my eyes.
    Especially the guy being evicted, worried about his retarded child.
    the film needs another 1000$ + to be made:
    American Winter is a feature documentary that shines a light on the dramatic personal stories behind the country’s worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
    Produced and directed by Emmy award-winning filmmakers Joe and Harry Gantz (creators of HBO’s Taxicab Confessions), the film presents a powerful portrait of our nation’s economic downturn, as well as the impact of massive budget cuts to America’s social safety net, from the point of view of families in crisis.

  314. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Ozone, thats old news to those who go elsewhere online.
    I forget if I saw it first at TOO or Drudge or angry white dude.
    Sick stuff, but no surprise.
    Didya see the info about Elena kagan, at Occidental?
    Why is it always after the fact, after the elections and after critical appointments that the real vetting of candidates finally takes place? Simple. When you have a clueless, apathetic and disengaged American populace, coupled with a leftist liberal media that’s already in the tank for the “Messharia,” you take the fast track to confirmation and worry about the repercussions later. After all, it’s a lot easier to select than it is to eject a political appointee.
    Elena Kagan’s views render her the first Supreme Court Justice who actively favors the introduction of Sharia law into national Constitutions and legal systems
    ………………………………………………………………………………………

  315. turkleton September 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    Good list but don’t forget about Cheez Doodles and NASCAR.

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  316. turkleton September 5, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Maybe there is an Almighty Creator Overlord. They are just demented. Then it would all make sense.

  317. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    MudMuck:’The Bible only deals with life on Earth’.
    Oh Really? Then why does it mention Heaven?
    And I dont mean Celestial Bodies above.
    The Jewish version mentions ‘shul’? a place in the ground, or an after death state???
    What does The New Testament mention? Hell, Heaven, etc.

  318. Jam47 September 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    That’s one of Eric Hoffer’s books isn’t it? Read it over thirty years ago and can’t remember what’s in it. Except the part about Americans being too docile.
    And whatever happened to the working-class intellectual, of which Hoffer was a stellar example?

  319. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

    Janitors are fully employed and as far as obongos ‘shovel ready jobs’go, Im still waiting.
    Eluethero, check the Movie I posted about a few
    comments earlier and if you would, critique it here.
    Remember, working in a junk store is a ‘Green Job’, shovel ready, I assume.

  320. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Yes, its about 40 years old. If you want it, I assume its ‘going for dirt cheap’ on Amazon.

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  321. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Much of that labor was seasonal and voluntary – just like with the Great Pyramids. No doubt the common man was proud to be creating something so wonderful – and happy for the good spiritual karma. It was something he could show his wife and children and feel proud.
    Hovels? They would have been living in those Cathedrals or no. The Cathedrals were their Space Program, their Grand Coulee Dam, etc. But yes certainly they were poor compared to our rich poor. But even our wealthy lack the meaning that comes from living in a culture that believes in itself.
    There was a small number of professional builders who supervised and did the fine work.
    The slave labor aspect of the Pyramids has been exaggerated – funny Jewish History.

  322. muddmike September 5, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    ripped,
    Does a 2 year old child understand why his parents punish him? Does Dale’s cat understand why he is trying to teach it algebra.
    We often have to undergo pain to grow. Ask athletes, with no pain, no gain.
    Maybe in the long run that suffering is insignificant. I can’t judge, because I haven’t lived long enough. Maybe in a few hundred years it will make sense.
    Just because a supreme being doesn’t do what you would do, doesn’t mean that He/She does not exist. Also, since we cannot see or know everything God sees or knows doesn’t mean God is evil, or that we are qualified to judge God’s actions, or inactions.

  323. muddmike September 5, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    anti,
    I limited my comment to our physical world. Since, I was dealing with an avowed atheist who doesn’t believe in heaven or hell. These two realms are clearly outside of our four dimensions.

  324. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Here is what CFN should be about:
    1) Nuclear proliferation
    2) Overpopulation
    3) Environmental degradation
    4) Permaculture
    5) Simple living (re: diet, energy, etc.)
    “Living simply that others may simply live.”
    6) Love and meditation
    There is no limit to how many people we can love.

  325. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Welcome to the struggle, comrade. Some socialism is alright, but it has to be National as in America First. Some Communism is alright but it has to be local, voluntary – communalism in other words. Amish or Mennonite barn raisings are a fine example. The Scots Irish have always been very weak in this regard in comparison to German groups.
    Some Capitalism is alright – but it has to be moral. And huge Corporations have to be in line with National Imperatives – and not vice versa. Instead of something onerous – the Executives should be proud to have attained the level where they can serve their Nation. This is how it is in Japan – a far superior system to our’s.

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  326. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    Vlad, I agree with most of your post.
    Your embrace of “some” communism, socialism, capitalism, etc. makes you large. You are showing that you, too, contain multitudes.
    Well done!

  327. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    1, 2, and 3 on my list are the most serious problems for continued human survival.
    1) Nuclear proliferation
    2) Overpopulation
    3) Environmental degradation
    4, 5, and 6 on my list are the solutions.
    4) Permaculture
    5) Simple living (re: diet, energy, etc.)
    “Living simply that others may simply live.”
    6) Love and meditation
    There is no limit to how many people we can love.

  328. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Everybody see the Convention last night? These people are desperate – trying to make themselves sound like All Americans, like Republicans.
    Michelle was in rare form. But how does that jibe with her saying when Obama was elected, For the first time I’m proud of America?

  329. Radu Voda September 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    My naam is Radu. Vlad is dead. Each day we must die and be born again…until the bigger Death called Death and the Great Death called Enlightenment. Until then, breathe in and out like Brahma. Holding your breath in is the Pralaya; holding your breath out is the lifespan of the Universe.
    We need a mixed economy. No doubt about that at all. And communism is a perversion of communalism. I wont say the same about big Captitalism since some things just explode in growth – but obviously whole new dynamics come into play at that point. The owners and managers can’t be irresponsible when the Nation now depends on them. Again why their petulance and rage? They should certainly have a place at the table of power and honor if they fufill their duty to citizens. Those who can’t or don’t want to should gracefully retire. Some people love starting companies and making them big – but then can’t deal with it after that.

  330. turkleton September 5, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    “These two realms are clearly outside of our four dimensions.”
    They don’t exist. Someone made them up a long time ago to fool the peons.

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  331. rippedthunder September 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Hey Turk you forgot the Fifth Dimention—-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoSocikOpHU

  332. San Jose Mom 51 September 5, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    My husband watched the convention last night until the bitter end. I cooked dinner and I have to say that the democrats do a lot more yelling than the republicans. Normally, I get into a really happy state-of-mind when I’m in the kitchen, but I was highly irritated by all the yacking.
    I still haven’t decided who I’m going to vote for–I won’t make a difference, and I may not vote at all. Nevertheless, listening to Michelle didn’t help his case. So what if he’s a loving father? That doesn’t mean he’s a good president.
    But if I were voting for president based on stability of family, I’d vote Romney. Obama was essentially abandoned by his father and mother, and that makes for bad psychological juju.
    When a child feels unwanted/abandoned, the situation makes them more likely to develop personality disorders such as borderline, narcissistic, and anti-social. Hence you see a lot of borderline kids born to poor, single mothers. These kids can’t cope emotionally and have poor impulse control and end up with a rap sheet.
    My two cents as a mom.

  333. Widespreadpanic7 September 5, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    Good News! The two dominant groups at the Dem Convention, Homosexuals and Muslims, seem to be working out their differences.
    I’m not sure, but it must have gone something like this:
    Mustafa: “We’ll permit Sodomy if you will back Sharia Law within the US”.
    Rachel Maddow: “If you make an exception for Sodomy, we will agree to live under the tenets of Sharia Law”.
    See, that’s what I call Cooperation! All is well!
    –WSP7

  334. Widespreadpanic7 September 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    Abortionists, the other influential Lib Pressure Group, will have to come to some sort of agreement as well. That one might be tougher; might have to bring some Top Imams in from Saudi Arabia and Egypt to work it out with Obama …
    –WSP7

  335. Widespreadpanic7 September 5, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    AntiSoak, that was a good one! (murder and state funded sex change operation in Mass. prison system)
    All part of the ongoing, endless saga of the American Freak Show!
    –WSP7

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  336. XXX5 September 5, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    Vlad said:
    Welcome to the struggle, comrade. Some socialism is alright, but it has to be National as in America First. Some Communism is alright but it has to be local, voluntary – communalism in other words. Amish or Mennonite barn raisings are a fine example. The Scots Irish have always been very weak in this regard in comparison to German groups.
    Some Capitalism is alright – but it has to be moral. And huge Corporations have to be in line with National Imperatives – and not vice versa. Instead of something onerous – the Executives should be proud to have attained the level where they can serve their Nation. This is how it is in Japan – a far superior system to our’s.
    ******************************************************************
    Because the Executive level of firms now have a sociopathic attitude towards their employees and their communities, there is little use appealing to their civic consciousness. The size of the group they serve is the upper two percent of shareholders. As they lay off thousands of soccer moms, offshore jobs, and give themselves raises while their revenues fall, it’s clear that the corporate boardroom has about as much “conscience” as an axe murderer.
    I agree with your assertions, Vlad, but we need a DICTATOR to implement them. The clowns in American politics now will only tweak the system in marginal ways until the whole thing just collapses … which I believe is the back half of this decade. Might as well just getting ready for it. Worse things could happen that a dictatorial coup. I’m actually hoping for such a thing.
    The mechanisms are in place for more of what’s been happening since the 1980s and that means political leaders and titans of industry will keep on keeping on which means we’re all going to be serfs.
    E.

  337. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    When the debate on who is to lead the country is planned in such a way as to deliberately not deal with reality and issues which really matter to the nation.
    Then:
    It’s no wonder that issues of sodomy and religion take center stage.
    Religion should be totally irrelevant we have separation of church and state. As to sodomy I have nothing to say about that shit except to say live and let live.
    I hope your not amused by the carnival. I hope your bile rises in outrage.

  338. San Jose Mom 51 September 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    E.,
    You’re discernment is keen. Let’s hope for a benevolent dictator.

  339. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

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  340. Jam47 September 5, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    The novelist Martin Amis is famous for his dazzling style. But for me, these days, his writing is a bit too much. I’m too old, or something. At any rate, while turning the pages of his latest (Lionel Asbo), I came across an Amis kind of joke: ” upper class c–t walks into a bar with a pile of wet dogshit in his hand and announces, LOOK WHAT I ALMOST STEPPED INTO.”

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  341. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    Is this what loving father do Michelle‽
    Drone strike kills 5
    But QUOBAMA wont talk about drones. Citing national security reasons the man who pushes the button won’t talk about the button.
    And a rational reality based thinking dog would give the man another four years why?

  342. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    ✈ report ↑

  343. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    Oh foolish me, loving fathers can do this because it was Al-Qaeda .
    I have a neighbor who has a tree that offends me on the property line. I think the neighbor is a member of Al-Qaeda. Can I have a Drone?



    Osama conducting operations from beyond the grave. Oh that’s right he didn’t get one.

  344. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    I have to fix my mistake.
    Is this what a loving father does Michelle?

  345. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    I do my part.

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  346. Buck Stud September 5, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    You know, while I was typing that post I was asking myself, “have I posted this before? “.Well maybe I have, or maybe it was my post on San Antonio Texas. But who really cares.
    Trying to meet a deadline for a show and my brain is turning to silly puddy. And while I’m sweating getting the work done my female other is worried about what clothes to wear. Typical.

  347. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    That looks to be a good book.
    I’d like to read it. Apparently there are pit bulls that blaspheme in lieu of barking in it.
    I like that.

  348. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Lets see: 2030 – 2012 = 18 years.
    In eighteen years the Saudis will become oil importers. Both Obama and Romney will no doubt say we can sell oil to them using our Nord Dakoda fields (ya sure you betcha) and Greenland having much less ice by them might be able to help the poor Saudis.
    I’m sure the average American will become oil poor long before this so perhaps we will teach them new oil free life styles by example when the time comes. I expect that’s the solution reality will favor.
    And as we evolve the oil free lifestyle that we will eventually teach the Saudis the most important thing to remember through the many changes to come is that:
    All Dogs Eat
    The Bad News

  349. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    At Angrywhite dude.com someone said what they thought of the DNC:
    Maybe my figures are a tad off, but I’ve always heard that small businesses hire approximately 80% of American workers.
    With that said, not once during the DNC tonight have I heard anything about small business… instead, I’ve heard all about a women’s right for an abortion, I’ve heard how Obama fought for gays to come out of the closet and enter the military, and I’ve heard how every little special interest group has a right to succeed in this country.
    [Pandering to the ‘grievance groups’, with Sandra Fluck there!].

  350. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    Its ‘dimension’, OK?
    Up up and away in a beautiful balloon.

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  351. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    Joe Stiglitz showed months ago, on finance.yahoo.com, that the American middle class was now nonexistent with only token exceptions.
    ===================
    XXX5, how are you defining “middle class”?
    Saying the middle class is nonexistent is meaningless since you provide no parameters.
    Most analysts define the middle class as some chunk in the middle of the income distribution — say the middle fifth or some variation there in (e.g., 40th to 80th percentile) — which of course cannot, by definition, be “nonexistent.”
    Think about it for just a moment. You are intelligent, but in this instance you are posting nonsense.

  352. San Jose Mom 51 September 5, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    I just heard a speaker at the convention whining about his poor friend who is supposed to go to Univ. of North Caroline, she’s a great scholar, yada, yada, yada. But she’s illegal so they want to export her.
    So what?

  353. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Most analysts define the middle class as some chunk in the middle of the income distribution — say the middle fifth or some variation therein (e.g., 40th to 80th percentile) — which of course cannot, by definition, be “nonexistent,” as you claim.
    Think about it for just a moment. You are intelligent, but in this instance you are posting nonsense.

  354. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    But she’s illegal so they want to export her. So what?
    =================
    Do you love the United States?
    Your “so what?” is offensive.
    Human beings are not “exported” … they can be deported. But then the United States loses.
    Ask not for whom the bell tolls.
    No man is an island, entire of itself … Any man’s deportation diminishes me

  355. San Jose Mom 51 September 5, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    Anti,
    Read in the paper today that some judge in Massachusetts declared that an inmate is entitled to get sex change operation while in prison.
    Your tax dollars at work.

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  356. bobby j September 5, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    Spiritual evolution is an improvement in the quality of our consciousness. If we just go along to get along our consciousness quality doesn’t
    just not improve but will degenerate as our physical and social environment based in nonreality beliefs ideology and doctrines increases its entropy.Spiritual evolution requires facing truth ie. reality ;truth about our own state and truth about what we have done in our quest for a dream .Maybe you believe you are one of the chosen one’s and a heavenly abode awaits or infused with the entrepreneurial spirit you will savour the fruits of your American dream.Some day the dream will die and those that remain will eventually realize that there is truth and living within reality is bringing more security joy and peace than the old ways based on mindless economic growth getting more than your neighbour war exploitation inequality waste discrimination etc.

  357. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    The Republicans have learned that the next time they stage a debate with a chair in front of millions of people, they should not have the chair win the debate.

  358. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    What do you hypothecate the middle class to be?

  359. ozone September 5, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    E.,
    Is there such a thing as a “connivance”? If there is, this is a spot-on example from the laddie:
    “Welcome to the struggle, comrade. Some socialism is alright, but it has to be National as in America First.”
    (Well, the first spout is a blatant pander to someone other than myself.) Class “struggle”; “comrade”. Nice little com’uh’nust allusions to draw in what suckers there may be. (Damn few.)
    “Socialism”; “National”; “America First”.
    That there’s straight from the word-implanters playbook.
    National Socialist Party; Deutchland Uber Alles.
    Come now, this is entirely too transparent. I’ll not be branded as a supporter of the Glorious 4th Reich in any way, shape or form. The Third should be a lesson in abject horror and what-not-to-do, but apparently not for some of “the volks”.
    Sorry, no “comrades” here.

  360. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    Your response allows me to provide more clarity:
    K-Dog Foreign policy shall rest on these principles.
    ❶ Facts matter, even if we do not like them. We don’t fight reality, we work with it.
    ❷ Elementary moral principles matter, even if they have consequences that we would prefer not to face. Pups do not do this but mature adult dogs do, sadly some pups never grow up.
    ❸ Relative clarity matters. Definitions are often be imprecise but we should always seek enough clarity at least to distinguish clearly distinguish between right and wrong, between terror and what could be legitimate resistance for example.
    ❹ We shall be relentless in demanding justice and fair play for all. All dogs must eat.

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  361. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    Definitions are often be imprecise
    =============
    Damn, K-Dog, you tryin’ to speak Ebonics?
    You be messin’ it up, bro!

  362. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Damn, K-Dog, you tryin’ to speak Ebonics?
    You be messin’ it up, DOG!

  363. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    He decides to play ‘daddy’ sometimes and treat you like a privileged son. He has done it to me and while the fur along my back went straight up the first time he did but it has never done it again.
    Oh a Correction:
    ? Relative clarity matters. Definitions are often imprecise but we should always seek enough clarity…
    Number three means to look at issues deeply, not to stop issue probing when your understanding of an issue fits with your world view.
    That grasshopper is not the time to quit.

  364. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 7:14 pm #

    Darling, I have 2 posts about ‘her’, up thread.
    ‘She’ killed her wife and is doing life, we hope.
    TRIPP, This ones for you
    The earthworm that hopefully will be bred, and its progeny go in alot of compost heaps.
    ‘n Binchaun County, China, a snake-like earthworm measuring over 19 inches (a half-meter) long was found in a house gutter.
    Li Zhiwei, a Forestry Bureau worker, made the discovery and eventually decided to keep the worm and raise it in his backyard.
    An adult earthworm’s measurements vary by species and can range anywhere from 10mm long and 1mm wide, to 3-meters long and over 25mm wide. Environmental factors also influence an earthworm’s body size, and they tend to grow longer and larger during humid seasons if they take in sufficient nutrition and have no natural enemies.
    Biologists plan to study the earthworm found by Li to classify it and identify the reason it was able to grow to its current length’.

  365. ozone September 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    I understand that this is a good example of taxpayer funded foolishness.
    Now, how much longer can this stuff continue? Not long, I’d wager. Reality of fiscal circumstances will intrude.

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  366. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    Lest another correctosaurus beat me to it.
    fur along my back went straight up the first time he did it, it has never done it again.
    Perhaps this is a job for the stick.

  367. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    a job for the Stick.

  368. k-dog September 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    I don’t know anything about this but I imagine it will make being somebody’s bitch a lot easier.

  369. ozone September 5, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    I like your “further expansions”! (Yes, I read around and through your editing and typos to get the gist of the grist. No problemo, Perro.)

  370. muddmike September 5, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    Paul Craig Roberts is saying all of the things the Democrats should be saying at their convention, but they are too wimpy.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/05/republicans-cross-the-rubicon/

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  371. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Noteable quote from link above:
    He once asked our protectors if they were practicing for some competition.
    The answer was, “No, we are preparing to control the outcome when there is trouble.”
    [dont ask if but ‘when’].

  372. anti soak September 5, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    ‘The Bible is a pornographic book, full of violence, and is not very funny.’
    Sounds like life at rajneeshpuram or ‘the land’ Oregon.
    Osho with his 90? 100? rolls Royces and the followers [according to his bodyguards book]
    ‘at the bus station, their few belongings in boxes, when the place closed down’.

  373. Kyooshtik September 5, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    Buck, it’s putty.
    When and where is your one man show?

  374. Mike Moskos September 5, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    It could be worse: you could be a slave picking “Florida Slavery Tomatoes”. One county in Florida is the epicenter of slavery in America today and most of the slaves pick tomatoes. Buy a Florida tomato, support slavery. You’d think the governor would be concerned about letting the image of such a big industry get trashed, but he doesn’t appear to be.
    For info. on why Obama turned into W’s third term, see this Gary North. North is a libertarian from the right–there are libertarians from the left–and he has great insights into things. He says the country is run by 2 flavors of the Council on Foreign Relations. He thinks the most plausible reason is that they’re holding some fraud in his law license over him: http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1194.html You can search for Gary North and CFR to find his other articles on the CFR control of the world; good reading.

  375. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    anti soak, the Bible is full of violence. Christians has a long history of violence.
    I respectfully direct you to the academic, peer-reviewed literature to dispute your claim about Osho and violence. All your information seems to come from one biased source, an ex-sannyasin.
    From 1981 to 1986, most outsiders foretold bloodshed at Rajneeshpuram, the communal city in
    central Oregon that was built around an Indian charismatic leader, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (later known as Osho).
    However, violence never escalated to the point of mass murder, suicides, or large, collective attacks.
    The Rajneesh case provides a fruitful context to explore the question: How is large-scale collective violence in new religions averted?
    The case of Rajneeshpuram foregrounds three factors that were most important to relatively peaceful resolution of a situation fraught with danger:
    1) life-embracing doctrine,
    2) devotees’ continued contact with networks outside Rajneeshpuram, and
    3) law enforcement committed to due process.
    SOURCE: Goldman, Marion S. “Averting Apocalypse At Rajneeshpuram*.” Sociology Of Religion 70.3 (2009): 311-327.

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  376. asoka.. September 5, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Christians have a long history of violence.

  377. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    Why don’t you show some spine and stand behind the article you posted? The Jews are 40% of the Billionaires at 3% or so of the population. And they are the most organized people on Earth with thousands of interlocking organizations both domestic and international – all created for the benefit of the themselves. That’s alot of concentrated power – the Jewish Power structure is the fist of the American 1%.
    If you oppose the 1% you oppose them – and they will fight you whether you name them or not. It doesn’t take two to make a fight – it only takes one.
    You don’t want to be called a Nazi so you act like a coward. You are so confused.

  378. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    So you admit the rapes and broken bones resulting from the “chaotic meditation”?
    The lower predominates in Man – let go of restraints and don’t be surprised at what happens.

  379. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    You are knocking on Fascism’s door. Hopefully Burt Lancaster will answer and put the Jonseys in their place. General McCrystal has a good jaw, perhaps he is the Man.
    In Ancient times, in many societies, there was a War King as well as the Peace King. We need the Winter King to restore order and crush the Plutocrats. Hopefully he will be willing to step down once the job is done – or stand for election.
    I would allow a man to be President for unlimited terms though. If by some miracle you get a Warrior Saint or a Philosopher King you don’t want to mess with that. On the other hand, the Supremes should have six year terms or something. They are ruining us and we don’t have the vitality to recall them though I hear that’s in the system theoretically. Has it ever been done though?

  380. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    All your information seems to come from one biased source, an ex-sannyasin. (asoka to anti soak)
    =================
    The Goldman article published in 2009 draws upon about 50 sources, weighing different points of view before hypothecating, not just one disillusioned individual.

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  381. Stephen Daedalus September 6, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Politicians on both sides pander to our sense ‘of what feels right.’ Michelle’s ‘good father’ approach appeals to family values…a Republican stronghold. The question for me becomes who is going to accomplish the real needs of where we as a country need to be going. Neither side is winning me over. I will still vote because of the local issues at hand. Incidentally, I didn’t vote for either presidential candidate at the last election…I left that one blank.

  382. k-dog September 6, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Paul Craig Roberts seems to be saying that a Republican administration would resemble the regime of Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte after the September 11th coup d’état.
    Would you agree or is this stirring the pot so as to make a tempest in a teapot making the republicrat contest appear to be important when actually the choice the major parties present is a choice between tweedledum and tweedledee?
    What do you think?

  383. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    You forgot nudity. That also happened in no-holds barred encounter groups and those groups were what drew many to voluntarily engage in those activities. Nobody was forced to participate in encounter groups. People paid to get in. Thousands of people worked through their neurosis, and the therapeutic effect of groups allowed people to go deeper into meditation.

  384. Buck Stud September 6, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    MuddMike,
    I’m not sure what to make of Paul Craig Roberts. At times he touches on some touchy issues; at other times he seems like the maniacal, obsessed principal in Ferris Bueller’s day off.
    And I am missing something regarding former KGB head Putin? Some of the posters from this site have been writing affectionately about him and now Roberts portrays him as something far less than demonic?

  385. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    What is Putin doing to work on the three most important issues facing human survival?
    1) Nuclear proliferation
    2) Overpopulation
    3) Environmental degradation

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  386. Nastarana September 6, 2012 at 12:24 am #

    I believe I might be the last, or one of the last, alas.
    There are a few to be found among various minority groups, but they ain’t speaking to the rest of us.
    Dagoberto Gelb
    Alfredo Vea, Jr.

  387. Buck Stud September 6, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    The Universe is an upside down Tree with the roots uneen, lost in the heavens. Thus it’s good to meditate on still water where you can see the reflections of upside down trees.

    Very nice visual and very cool thought. But now I quibble. Trees seen as reflections in water are not upside down but rather laying down horizontal. In other words, that sweet spot between up and down… The Middle Ground.

  388. qepjzfv7ge September 6, 2012 at 12:36 am #

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    k properly i knew all that but you make it audio much over i believed it was also with dust isnt that exactly what the dust filter over the travel vent is for but anyway my desktop drive is exposed to a lot of dust (and even a great deal more cat hair) and a few static frequently and its lasted me 3 many years up to now i’m able to fully grasp the phisical shock aspect a ton but concerning the antistatic bags exactly where can i get among those thats re-sealable like a ziploc bag is or somthing like that but after i bought it WD had only an antistatic (non resealable) bag around it and it was held in the box by two skinny plastic,mac makeup cheap, effectively. thingys to soak up shock and from what i could inform then wouldnt do significantly over take in aspect to side movement not a unexpected influence but again how about portable HDDs i’ve an inclosure and which has no padding no anti static or anti dust but but that by some means keeps them operating (even though i cant utilize it within a push bay and i cant carry about the resources to open up it and throw away all that point to use it like a carrying case)

    there’s a distinction between transportable drives and internal drives. Portable drives were create especially to be carried about. The plastic when you get in touch with it really is shock and static resistant although portable drives can nonetheless be harm when you drop it.

    Inner drives have absolutely no safety outside from the pc situation.

    as far as delivery in the inner push. It has greater than an antistatic bag, the packing itself is shock resistant. You might have foam or cardboard that holds the travel in location, commonly within the heart on the box.

  389. Nastarana September 6, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    “job creation scheme that left the workers no better off”? Building of the gothic edifice we now have at Chartres began in the late 12thC. The cathedral was consecrated in 1260, not quite a century later. The first compliment of workers were long dead by then.
    I think your true objection is best stated as follows: What good is a masterpiece, however much admired and revered, if no one was able to make a fortune on it?
    There is a profound difference between production for use and production for profit. The later has brought us the luxuries and conveniences of modern life and also the pervasive ugliness and squalor we see all around us.

  390. Stephen Daedalus September 6, 2012 at 12:44 am #

    I did that too in a California camp years ago. Just came to my senses and realized a bunch of pervs trying to get off on me…so I left.

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  391. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    Great! It is all part of the learning experience.
    I’m glad you came to your senses and had the courage to leave. (not all groups are the same; group leaders also vary, as will your experience)
    Learning how to be an individual and resist group pressure is a valuable lesson to learn.

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    –> No. 01 / 06 Browse Gallery Honoring the legend of Julius “Dr. J” Erving and the shoe he made history in, Converse recreates the classic silhouette in a premium crafted version and announces the First String Standards Dr. J Pro Leather.“The original shoe launched in 1976, the Pro Leather shoe is not only the shoe that Dr. J made famous, it’s the shoe that ushered in the modern era of basketball footwear. Kicking off the collection, Converse will unveil the classic white and navy color way. Crafted with rich leathers and premium construction, like early versions, the shoe comes in clean, white uppers contrasted with a navy stitched Star Chevron logo.”Only 168 of the white/navy version will be available, beginning Friday, August 5. Conversejulius ervingSneakers Fancy Related Posts August 30, 2012 Nike Air Force 1 Foamposite Low Holiday 2012 August 29, 2012 Starks x Vans OTW Woessner August 29, 2012 Jordan Son of Mars “Bordeaux” August 29, 2012 Vans OTW x Primitive Blvd Denim Bedford

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    Visvim Spring/Summer 2009 Collection | Hockney Folk & Christo Stripe
    –> No. 01 / 09 Browse Gallery Two new shoes have released from the Visvim Spring/Summer 2009 Collection. The Hockney Folk we already showed you in the new red and black colorways, here now the others – yellow fred perry cuir noir, orange and navy. The Christo sandal by Visvim comes this season featuring a stripe design. It will be available in black, beige and military green. Via Hypebeast/Sample Kicksz.Detailed images of both the new Visvim Spring/Summer 2009 Hockney Folk and the Christo Stripe follow after the jump. sandalsShoesvisvim Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 Marni Flannel-Panelled Leather Brogues August 31, 2012 F.I.L. Store Singapore – A Look Inside August 30, 2012 Christian Louboutin Brings Men’s Only Store to NYC – A Look Inside August 28, 2012 Y-3 Drake Fall/Winter 2012

  400. oonvtloo72 September 6, 2012 at 4:00 am #

    John Waters for Milkcrate
    No. 01 / 02 Browse Gallery The mischievous John Waters connects with fellow Baltimore native Aaron LaCrate for a special edition Milkcrate t-shirt. “Have Sex In A Voting Booth” is the message.Perhaps the beginning of something larger. In any event, more images follow. art productFashionjohn watersmilkcrate Fancy Related Posts August 30, 2012 G-Star by Marc Newson Fall/Winter 2012 August 30, 2012 Video: 10.Deep Fall 2012 Collection Preview August 30 fred perry cuir noir, 2012 Rag & Bone Spring/Summer 2013 Lookbook Starring NYC Skaters August 29, 2012 In My Boyfriend’s Clothes – Sophia

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  401. ovplobo276 September 6, 2012 at 4:20 am #

    Schott NYC x Converse Chuck Taylor All Star Leather Jacket – White
    –> No. 01 / 05 Browse Gallery Those of you lucky enough to snag a copy of Highsnobiety Magazine Issue 2 will no doubt have seen these already, however, today Converse has officially announced the new white version of the Schott NYC Leather Jacket Chuck Taylor All Star sneaker. As with the black and navy blue versions, the shoe features key design elements that tie back to the Schott Perfecto motorcycle jacket, including: heavy zips, quilted lining, snaps on the tongue and leather detailing. Available April 15, 2011 for at select Converse First String retailers including Stussy (New York, NY), Blends (Costa Mesa, CA), St. Alfred (Chicago, IL) and Kicks Hawaii (Honolulu, HI).More images follow after the click. converse chuck taylorschott nycSneakers Fancy Related Posts August 30, 2012 LaMJC x Undefeated x colette x New Balance MT580 August 30 polo fred perry, 2012 Air Jordan 1 Mid Metallic Platinum August 30, 2012 Vans x Kenzo Authentic & Slip-On Fall/Winter 2012 August 30, 2012 Christian Louboutin Brings Men’s Only Store to NYC – A Look Inside

  402. ovplomp538 September 6, 2012 at 4:27 am #

    Stampd’ Fall/Winter 2010 Lookbook
    –> –> No. 01 / 14 Browse Gallery LA based footwear brand Stampd’ presents their new collection. Stampd’ pays attention to detail through fabrics and new silhouette options for their Fall/Winter 2010 Collection. A mixture of ballistic nylons, and leathers were used along-side an integration of hardware and classic pattern options. Prints polo pas cher, gold and silver studs and more decorate their footwear in the coming season. Also the much anticipated TISA collaboration with Taz Arnold is coming as part of this new collection.Check out the complete sneaker offering of the brand after the jump. Sneakersstampd Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 10 Cool Items Available This Week – Camo Janoskis, Middle Finger Keys and More August 31, 2012 Vans Syndicate ‘Jazz Stripe 35′ Pack August 31, 2012 Supra Falcon August 31, 2012 Nike Free Run+ 2 Suede Pack

  403. ponvtlsy18 September 6, 2012 at 4:53 am #

    Nieves Zines
    No. 01 / 03 Browse Gallery Nieves, a Swiss based publisher specializing in Artist’s zines, has mounted “100+ Zines” an exhibition of their output at New York’s Printed Matter. It is an exhaustive account of the companies DIY output, which allows artists full control of their individual zine, outside of a standard size and page count. The exhibition runs to May 23, 2009. (via It’s Nice That). Printed Matter, 195 Tenth Avenue, New York.More images follow. Artexhibitionmagazines Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 PAPERMAG: The Cult of Kaws August 27, 2012 Paris Hilton by Ellen von Unwerth for GQ Russia August 24 fred perry, 2012 COOL TRANS: Supreme Fall/Winter 2012 Collection Editorial Featuring Lucien Clarke August 23, 2012 Kevin Van Aelst: Ordinary Objects Turned Into The Extraordinary

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    Excellent post this week! When you are on form, you are on form. Society has created a lot of problems and our “cure” is often worse than the disease. Sun Tzu said it best “If you know (the enemy) and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know (the enemy) but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know (the enemy) and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” American’s do not know themselves and certainly do not know who the enemy is. Learning to accept that everything eventually will change – including Governments – will be a big step for those who wish to carry on with any dignity as those who “subscribe to” an “inane belief system” can not, or will not, adapt. At some point in the future all the dogmatism, sentimentality, ignorance, fear, and blame will converge upon our society and cash that Reality Check we’ve been hiding away for so long in our junk drawer.

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  406. ovplowb406 September 6, 2012 at 7:21 am #

    New Balance 99X | History And Launch Event Videos
    We present you two videos from New Balance. The first video give you some background on the history of the New Balance 99X sneaker and the second video gives you a recap of the launch event of the New Balance 999 Feral Creation Collection, that we presented a couple of days ago.For the launch event recap please check after the jump. new balanceSneakersvideos Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 Video: Lara Stone Dances to Salt-N-Pepa’s ‘Push It’ for Calvin Klein Underwear August 31, 2012 10 Cool Items Available This Week – Camo Janoskis fred perry polo, Middle Finger Keys and More August 31, 2012 Vans Syndicate ‘Jazz Stripe 35′ Pack August 31, 2012 The 5 Best New Music Videos Of The Week ?C Chairlift, Allah-Lahs and More

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  408. ovplocl734 September 6, 2012 at 7:57 am #

    Original Fake “I Can’t Feel My Face” T-Shirt
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  409. qonvtlpy36 September 6, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    Meryl Donoghue “Once Upon A Lie…”
    Opening April 30, 2009, at Stolen Space, the maiden solo exhibition from Meryl Donoghue. Through large scale gylcee prints, Donoughue explores stories and events that hold sway over her. The result is a series of human animal hybrids arranged on black space. These are composed through pencil drawing and digital manipulation.Once Upon A Lie… runs to May 10, 2009. StolenSpace, 91 Brick Lane, London E1. Artdigital mediaexhibitionprint Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 PAPERMAG: The Cult of Kaws August 23 fred perry cuir noir, 2012 Kevin Van Aelst: Ordinary Objects Turned Into The Extraordinary August 22, 2012 Highsnobiety Visits: Designer Craig Redman AKA Darcel August 19, 2012 Richard Wilson: ‘Hang On A Minute Lads, I’ve Got A Great Idea’

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    –> No. 01 / 05 Browse Gallery Japanese label slash retailer Atmos?got together with the original American denim brand to tweak the design elements on a pair of straight leg Levi’s 504s. The denim comes with a red “madras check” material on both the front and back pockets, as well as on a?dropped back yoke. Other details include an oversized patch, pink and purple stitching and a white button fly. This rigid denim is due out in early December, but will be available for pre-order July 1st at?Atmos.Detailed images of the Atmos x Levis EU504 follow after the jump. atmosDenimlevis Fancy Related Posts August 13, 2012 atmos x Nike Free Powerlines+ ‘Rainbow’ August 11, 2012 Kamikaze Attack x Naked & Famous Denim August 8, 2012 Levi’s x Nike SB Dunk Low Pro QS ‘Dark Obsidian’ August 5, 2012 Video: Levi’s Go Forth 2012

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  411. ovploll869 September 6, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    Dee & Ricky For Liquor, Woman & Tears | Lego T-Shirts
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  412. ovploll869 September 6, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    Jim Rickey x Jaek El Diablo Sneakers
    –> No. 01 / 05 Browse Gallery Swedish sneaker brand Jim Rickey got together with French artist Jaek El Diablo to collaborate on a high top sneaker. Quite some Jordan influence went into the sneaker, which features a black/grey all-over pattern and red and black leather accents. They will release the sneaker in a special box, coming with a dustbag and a matching t-shirt.More detailed images of the Jim Rickey x Jaek El Diablo Sneaker follow after the jump. jaek el diablojim rickeySneakers Fancy Related Posts August 31, 2012 10 Cool Items Available This Week – Camo Janoskis, Middle Finger Keys and More August 31 fred perry polo, 2012 Vans Syndicate ‘Jazz Stripe 35′ Pack August 31, 2012 Supra Falcon August 31, 2012 Nike Free Run+ 2 Suede Pack

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  416. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    Great! It is all part of the learning experience.
    I’m glad you came to your senses and had the courage to leave. (not all groups are the same; group leaders also vary, as will your experience)
    Learning how to be an individual and resist group pressure, peer pressure, family pressure, parental pressure, CFN pressure, etc. is a valuable lesson to learn.

  417. ozone September 6, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Great comment, Phaedrus.
    And, yes, that check is in the mail. (You know, the one that has no possibility of being voided/cancelled.)
    (I really have no idea why some suggest that I ally myself with fools and dogmatic, power-hungry psychos.)

  418. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    Obama has a net job creation of 4.5 million jobs in four years. That is more than the net job creation of George W. Bush in eight years.
    Since 1961:
    In 28 years of Republicans: 28 million jobs created
    In 24 years of Democrats: 42 million jobs created
    Don’t look at what they say: look at what they have done. The Democrats have delivered on job creation.

  419. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    The previous post refers to PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS and I overestimated Republican job creation. Republicans created four million fewer jobs than I said.
    Here are the net increases in private-sector employment under each president, chronologically by party:
    Republicans
    Richard Nixon: Increase of 7.1 million jobs
    Gerald Ford: Increase of 1.3 million jobs
    Ronald Reagan: Increase of 14.7 million jobs
    George H.W. Bush: Increase of 1.5 million jobs
    George W. Bush: Decline of 646,000 jobs
    Total: Increase of 23.9 million jobs under Republican presidents
    Democrats
    John F. Kennedy: Increase of 2.7 million jobs
    Lyndon B. Johnson: Increase of 9.5 million jobs
    Jimmy Carter: Increase of 9.0 million jobs
    Bill Clinton: Increase of 20.8 million jobs
    Barack Obama: Increase of 332,000 jobs
    Total: Increase of 42.3 million jobs.

  420. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    “We left him a total mess. He hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough. So fire him, and put us back in.”
    — President William Clinton
    Don’t listen to what they say.
    Look at what they do.
    Since 1961:
    DEMOCRATS: Total increase of 42.3 million jobs.
    REPUBLICANS: Total increase of 23.9 million jobs.
    And the Republicans had 28 years in office. Democrats created more jobs in only 24 years.
    Don’t listen to what they say.
    Look at what they do.

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  421. balkan September 6, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    Buck,
    Regarding JPR’s writings about Putin.
    To start, I think that it is good idea to leave Putin to Russians to worry about.
    America, sometimes, remind me on a couple who spent their entire married life discussing other peoples’ marriages just to find themselves one day in divorce court with “irreconcilable differences” as a reason for split, and on the way out from court still discussing about other people. It is almost that, collectively, US has acquired that permanent Diane Sawyer-esque concern/worry face constantly percolating about other countries ways of life. their leaders, “human rights” …and, many times, all seen through distorted “Elvis” sunglasses.
    I am increasingly worried lately by mindboggling hints or blatant use of “communism and Marxism” in many posts as a main culprit for our current demise. Where that came from?
    In Cuba, NC and some of former “communist” countries, I can bet, that they still do balance math by pencil on brown bags for any financial transaction. Millisecond derivatives trading is not high on their list. Seven useless banking clowns that we’ve seen “grilled” by the Congress few years ago are the Communists?
    Santa Claus look-alike from 19-th century, or, what ruling elite would like us to believe, that Castro, NC RIP or Chavez (or even Putin) did all this to us?
    I asked Vlad similar question while ago with no answer so please can you help me if I am not getting something right.
    BTW, excellent post by Jim. The best since I’ve stumbled into this blog couple years ago.

  422. Kyooshtik September 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Don’t listen to what they say.
    Look at what they do.
    ===========
    But don’t be overly concerned about crimes against humanity.

  423. budizwiser September 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    Is there a particular methodology to ascertain what factors and resources might constitute a “sustainable” political subdivision?
    Are there clues to these factors in nations currently in existence? What resources are necessary for a sustainable economy across diverse political subdivisions?
    Can all of the future be managed by addressing non-prostituted aspects of market concepts – such as “supply and demand?”

  424. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    You can have crimes against humanity with more jobs at home (Democrats), or you can have crimes against humanity with fewer jobs at home.
    Or you can vote for Dr. Jill Stein and have no crimes against humanity and even more jobs, green jobs, at home.

  425. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    No, the Banksters are the main cause but I axe (Black English) you: who funded the Communists? The International Bankers did. No question. It is simply unbelievable how few even ask this – as if peasants with mattocks and pitchforks could have accomplished the overthrow of one Society after another.
    But why? Because in order to have all power (and thus all wealth) the Aristocrats had to be destroyed. And now they are coming for the middle classes and the Democratic Republics. Our achilles heel? The poor. The minorities. Colonialism. So guilt trip us into despair, go around laws so as to favor minorities – thus weakening the Bill of Rights and you are almost home.
    From another angle: who funds both Parties? The Party of the poor and that of the Rich? The Bankers – Goldman Sachs in particular. As the Jew Mika said – with no irony, “They are doing God’s work” – to tear down Gentile Society in other words.
    This is the fundamental tenet of all mainstream Conspiracy Theory. If you want a simple and easy introduction to this, order Gary Allen’s “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” at Amazon for a few cents. His fundamental image – the vise – with the middle class crushed between the Super Rich and the enraged Poor whom the Rich have agitated.
    A dangerous game? Certainly, some of the Aristocrats who backed the French Revolution ended up losing their heads. But they are not deterred. Evidently, they feel they are far enough above the fray to be safe.

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  426. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    You are an abject fool and coward, always angry but lacking the character that leads to clarity of intellect.

  427. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Yes the horizontal is important too – thus the cross: spirit meeting matter. Wish I had my Black Elk Speaks -he gives a very beatiful explanation of this from his own Tradition.
    The Gnostic element of the Traditions dismisses the horizontal. This may be appropriate in the practice of certain advanced individuals for a time, but to let it characterize a Tradition is simply impoverisment.

  428. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Things go downhill very easily in this Kali Yuga. Nudity is not Nakedness but lust will make you feel naked. I took off my clothes at a couple of Rainbow Gatherings and did my best not to make any nude women feel naked. Then I encountered some very hard eyed Gays at the Gathering and it felt like the Fall of Man. I mean they’re Gay and Gay is Good. They don’t have to practice good manners like those poor breeders…
    A learning experience as you say. I don’t bother with such things anymore. There were some interesting folks at those Gatherings – many old Hippies become Conservatives and even Red Necks. They had learned.
    The real problem is that it’s just not ecologically sound to pack tens of thousands of people into a few square miles. Better to have small gatherings. And for some, the whole gathering/concert circuit just becomes a way of avoiding what they need to do – ground.

  429. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Well said. What price beauty? When these people see a forest they just see potential lumber.

  430. Kyooshtik September 6, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Last week I read an article (and posted a link to it here at CFN) about Brazil instituting a draconian affirmative action plan that would result in Blacks securing 50% of available university admissions, up from 20%, by 2016.
    I cannot say for certain what criteria are used at present for admissions by universities – presumably academic merit – but in the future it will be race first and merit secondarily. At least this is my interpretation of the article.
    When I read the article about Brazil it recalled to memory something that took place decades ago in Boston. An attempt was made to balance the hiring of firefighters with the goal of having it match the ethnic makeup of the city. If the city was 35% minorities then 35% of firemen should be minorities, the thinking went.
    Even two not too swift Irish identical twin brothers – the Malones – quickly figured the way around this was to claim they were Black. Read the story here:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/09/us/boston-case-raises-questions-on-misuse-of-affirmative-action.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
    Something similar is destined to happen in Brazil.

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  431. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Message from Jill Stein to CFN:
    In just twelve hours, at midnight tonight, the 2012 presidential primary season ends, and the general election begins. We didn’t decide this calendar, the federal government did. But it applies to us too, and it means that we need you to make a donation before midnight tonight.
    Help us keep our primary campaign out of debt. Help us launch into the general election season with momentum!
    Cheri [Green Party VP candidate] and I are in the streets of Charlotte right now with the March for Our Lives, organized by the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign. Although it’s been hot and rainy here, there are many wonderful people from all parts of the Americas in the streets with us.
    We know that inside the corporate-sponsored convention hall, there are many glowing speeches and lots of well-funded spin. But out here, the reality remains that nearly half of Americans live in or near poverty.
    The vast majority of young people don’t have health care, are shut out of college, or are weighed down by the chains of student debt, and nearly a quarter of our young adults are unemployed. Meanwhile, the climate crisis is getting worse by the month, and the White House is doing nothing meaningful to reverse it.
    Cheri and I are out here with the marchers, and we’re talking with the media. We’ll be on the national Moyers show tomorrow night. But we need your donations, right now, in the next 12 hours, to put our TV ads on the air so that we can continue to crash the airwaves with our message that there is a solution — a Green New Deal — that a Green president will deliver.
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  432. k-dog September 6, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    K-Dog The intelligent choice.

  433. EndofMore September 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    we are not going to accept reality until it comes up and kicks us in the collective teeth—or elsewhere.
    even commenters on here turn the problem into a political problem, something to be argued over between parties, as if that will somehow rectify the problem.
    It is in our short term interests to deny deny deny, because our human psyche has evolved over millenia to worry only about the food.shelter/ warmth we have right now. If we have enough to eat, and the security to breed and raise offspring, that is all nature requires of us. If we fail, then in natures terms, we are disposable; someone stronger and fitter will breed if we can’t manage it.
    sorry to be brutal folks but lets cut the waffle about reality, because that is what it means in a future without our oil cushion.
    http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/

  434. k-dog September 6, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    Great website and I agree 100% with what you say.
    However,
    Commenters here are not turning the problem into a political one. You are correct in identifying the problem as not being political but contemporary politicians do not address the problem at all and the solution to the problem requires politics. Unfortunately.
    If our leaders do not deal with reality nobody can.
    Concerning political parties, we’d be better off without them.

  435. San Jose Mom 51 September 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    Kyoo,
    In his memior, Richard Feynman, talkes about teaching physics to Brazilians. (I’m sure at that time, most his students were whitish.)
    Apparently, the kids couldn’t grasp the big picture. Inspite of it all, he managed to learn to play the bongo drums.

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  436. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    It is impossible to return to a medieval future … if that even makes sense.
    We can never go back to an earlier time because we have an accumulated knowledge base that will be with us which was not available in medieval times. Our quality of life will be much better, even if oil disappears tomorrow.
    For example, we have knowledge about solar energy photovoltaics, wind energy generators, etc. that medieval peoples did not. We will have lights at night with LED bulbs medieval peoples did not have.
    Go ahead, make my day. Take away oil. We have alternatives that did not exist back in medieval times.

  437. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    And I imagine that Richard Feynman was not able to play the bongo drums half as well as Brazilians. He was probably never able to give his bongo rhythm a syncopated feel or improvise with left-hand accents as Brazilians do.

  438. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    For the week:
    The Dow is up 201.16 points, or 1.5 percent.
    The S&P 500 is up 25.54 points, or 1.8 percent.
    The Nasdaq is up 68.85 points, or 2.2 percent.
    For the year so far:
    The Dow is up 1,074.44 points, or 8.8 percent.
    The S&P 500 is up 174.52 points, or 13.9 percent.
    The Nasdaq is up 530.66 points, or 20.4 percent.
    UP! UP! UP!
    [sarcasm on]
    Sorry, doomers. I know you would be happier if the bottom was falling out of the economy and you could imagine a Black Swan event was happening. But the markets are not cooperating. Things are getting better and better. More jobs being created. Housing values returning. Leading Economic Index up. Damn. And we were all hoping for a giant collapse and a civil war, complete with pitch forks and hangings!
    [sarcasm off]

  439. anti soak September 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    Lawyers notable quote at end of that link:
    Its possible to be Black but look White.
    That statement went unexplained.

  440. muddmike September 6, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    Buck,
    I agree on PCR. In some of his columns it seem like he was off his meds, and even challenges David Icke for insanity.
    However, since his escape from the conservative propaganda mills, he is often quite reasonable and accurate, particularly about H-1Bs taking American engineers’ jobs.
    He is also still convinced that supply side economics would work, “If it was done correctly”. The fact that corporations are sitting on trillions in cash and are still not hiring shows that the economy is really a demand driven beast.
    As for Putin, the PCR column was neutral on him, just showing that he does, as many others do, see that the US is quite hypocritical in its blaming of other countries.

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  441. muddmike September 6, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    asoka,
    We will have the technology for a while after the crash, but in the end it will go too.
    Much of the high technology uses a large amount of energy. The making of 99.999999999% pure silicon is energy intensive. Electronic devices have to be made in clean rooms, which use lots of energy to stay clean.
    Also, as more people are required to grow food, fewer will be able to do the high tech. Unfortunately people in marketing and sales will probably be next to worthless in growing food, so people doing useful things will have to change.
    The real driving force for high tech was the improvement of agriculture, which freed people up to do other things.

  442. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    The real driving force for high tech was the improvement of agriculture, which freed people up to do other things.
    Yeah, and we are light years ahead of medieval farmers in our knowledge of farming. They had no knowledge of permaculture. For medieval farmers soil exhaustion was a constant problem, and the peasants were usually engaged in the laborious process of clearing new land to supplement their old, worn-out fields. We have knowledge that enables kick-ass production on small no-till plots. Even in the case that neither of us (medievals and postmoderns) have access to oil, we postmoderns have the superior knowledge base.

  443. debt September 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    You have no social life, do you?

  444. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    Define social.

  445. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    You hypothecate I have no social life. To determine the veracity of the hypothecation we need a defintiion of the word social.

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  446. Qr5blsu4g September 6, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    Finding A Holster For The Taurus 709 Slim

    Based on customer feedback and the success of some prior designs, the PT709 Slim was created by Taurus as a concealment weapon. Unlike the popular Millennium Pro series which is a double stack weapon, the 709 Slim is built on a single stack magazine. Only chambered for 9mm at this time, the magazine carries 7 rounds.

    In 2009, the 709 Slim only came in a blued variation, but 2010, Taurus has added a total of 3 different variants to the 709 Slim family, including:

    Like the Millennium Pro series, the frame of the 709 Slim is a polymer bonded substance reinforced with steel inserts. The inserts are strategically used in areas of additional stress. From a weight perspective, both the blued model (709B) and the stainless steel model (709SS) weigh 19 ounces unloaded. The more costly titanium style (709TI) weighs 2 ounces less.

    Like many related Taurus firearms, the 709 Slim also features Taurus’s patented double strike capability. The 709 usually functions as a single action pistol where the firing of the round cycles the spent shell, injects a new, unfired one, and cocks the internal hammer back for the next shot. However, should the round fire to fire, the Slim switches to double action mode so that the trigger resets and can be pulled again without manually cycling the slide. If the round fires on the 2nd trigger pull, the weapon goes back to single action. This is a really neat feature that is predominately only available on select Taurus weapons.

    Like it’s PT-111 cousin, the 709 Slim also features a manual safety that is easy to operate and is much like the thumb safety found on a 1911 weapon. Currently, the 709’s are not factory equipped with a night sight configuration, but rumor has it that this may change soon. A good set of night sights is one aftermarket item that the 709 can certainly use.

    As the 709 Slim has been on the market since mid-2009, finding a good gun holster for it shouldn’t be too hard. It’s size and weight make it an ideal choice for concealed carry. And obviously you need not be a mathematician to make the perfect shot. Just choose the right pool cues and start practicing so you can get to mas . Youll be lobbing paint grenades on your mates (a perfect way to settle old scores). These automated guns are easy to handle, so .

  447. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Here is the reality, doomers:
    There are very strong indicators that the world is actually getting better for the majority of humanity–fewer wars, lower crime rates, incredible advances in communication, a dramatic democratization of information that promises to catalyze social transformation on a global scale… and the list goes on. Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet, bringing us ever-closer to a cultural “tipping point”, in much the same way we saw with rational modernism during the European Renaissance, and postmodern pluralism in the 1960’s. This “tipping point” will allow us to find and enact integral solutions for our 21st century problems, with the measure of complexity, compassion, and consciousness that they demand. Needless to say, this is very good news.

  448. asoka.. September 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    The word “social” often refers to the redistributive policies (of big government) which aim to apply resources in the public interest. Ask Kyoo. He says I am social because I favor redistribution from rich who have to not-rich in need.
    Of course, we are on the CFN blog and blogs are a form of social media. I sometimes contribute to this CFN social media.
    Then I have family, sangha, and other community organizations I belong to, in which I participate face-to-face in social gatherings.

  449. ozone September 6, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    Fascists take note. Even your pet dogs will turn and bite if not fed.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/06/us-greece-police-idUSBRE8850IW20120906
    Grrrrrr-owf!

  450. ak September 6, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    “The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.”
    – Dr. Albert A. Bartlett

    Here’s a nice Understanding Exponential Growth Tutorial
    Or, if you’d rather watch a video, here’s Arithmetic, Population and Energy presentation by Dr Bartlett, in easy 10-minute segments.
    -AK

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  453. Jam47 September 6, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    If our machine-dependent civilization collapses for lack of oil, the civilization that replaces it will not be a rerun of the Europe’s Middle Ages.
    Medieval Europe was free of industrial poisons. We are swamped in them.
    Medieval Europeans were sustained by religious belief. We no longer believe and are not likely to believe again. We know too much.
    Medieval Europeans did not have the powerful sense of individuality that we moderns do, and therefore did not have the nagging sense of ambition unrealized that plagues so many of us. In fact, the idea of living one’s life for the sake of self-realization would have struck the typical man or woman of Medieval times as bizarre. (The merchant class may have been an exception, but then, they were proto-moderns living in Medieval times.)
    I could make this list longer, but I’d have to burden myself to do so. Moreover, I don’t want to become CFN’s Medieval bore.
    Back to the Middle Ages? We should be so lucky.

  454. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

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  455. Radu Voda September 6, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    You’re a scaredy cat. You don’t deserve to own a dog or a cat or have White neighbors.

  456. Jam47 September 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    One of the doomer websites, possibly Orlov’s, says that a breakdown in America’s oil supply will result in the end of large-scale electricity production, and that an America without electricity will turn into a radioactive wasteland.
    Here’s how it works. Deprive a nuclear-driven power plant of it’s electricity and it will begin to overheat. A couple of weeks after that, meltdown starts.
    The meltdown can be forestalled by cooling the reactors with electricity from the backup generators. But these generators are oil-driven, and oil-scarcity is what kicked off the powerplant problem in the first place. And coal- fired plants won’t solve the problem either, for coal is delivered to these plants by oil-burning trains and trucks.
    So then, multiply that single out-of-control nuclear plant by all the nuclear power plants now running in America, and what do we get? We get a hundred or more nuclear meltdowns that can neither be contained nor stopped. Fukushima continent-wide.

  457. Kyooshtik September 6, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    Ask Kyoo.
    =============
    He means he doesn’t think you get laid a lot.

  458. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    So now we face a choice. My opponent and his running mate are new to foreign policy, but from all that we’ve seen and heard, they want to take us back to an era of blustering and blundering that cost America so dearly.
    After all, you don’t call Russia our number one enemy – and not al Qaeda – unless you’re still stuck in a Cold War time warp. You might not be ready for diplomacy with Beijing if you can’t visit the Olympics without insulting our closest ally. My opponent said it was “tragic” to end the war in Iraq, and he won’t tell us how he’ll end the war in Afghanistan. I have, and I will. And while my opponent would spend more money on military hardware that our Joint Chiefs don’t even want, I’ll use the money we’re no longer spending on war to pay down our debt and put more people back to work – rebuilding roads and bridges; schools and runways. After two wars that have cost us thousands of lives and over a trillion dollars, it’s time to do some nation-building right here at home.
    — President Barack Obama, Sept. 6, 2012

  459. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    Here’s a nice Understanding Exponential Growth Tutorial
    =============
    AK, thanks for providing these 2 links. I read the first and watched the second in their entirety. They make for an excellent corollary to all of Jim’s blogs and books on peak oil. I have long believed that the key problem for mankind is overpopulation. Perhaps the earth can sustain a billion people…or maybe 500M. The professor makes it all quite clear.

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  460. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    Medieval Europeans did not have the powerful sense of individuality that we moderns do, and therefore did not have the nagging sense of ambition unrealized that plagues so many of us.
    ============
    Jam, you obviously see individuality and ambition as a curse? I see it precisely the opposite.

  461. anti soak September 7, 2012 at 12:28 am #

    Ozone, at yr link I thought this was more int.
    ‘Economist Richard Duncan: Civilization May Not Survive ‘Death Spiral’
    By Terry Weiss, Money Morning
    Richard Duncan, formerly of the World Bank and chief economist at Blackhorse Asset Mgmt., says America’s $16 trillion federal debt has escalated into a “death spiral, “as he told CNBC.’

  462. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    Lawyers notable quote at end of that link:
    Its possible to be Black but look White.
    ===========
    Unless the one-drop rule is invoked these Malone twins were as Irish as Patty’s pig.

  463. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:44 am #

    Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet, bringing us ever-closer to a cultural “tipping point”, in much the same way we saw with rational modernism during the European Renaissance, and postmodern pluralism in the 1960’s. This “tipping point” will allow us to find and enact integral solutions for our 21st century problems, with the measure of complexity, compassion, and consciousness that they demand.
    =============
    From what dreamer did you plagiarize this blurb?

  464. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    And I imagine that Richard Feynman was not able to play the bongo drums half as well as Brazilians. He was probably never able
    ===========
    Oh, you imagine… and he was probably never able… So, saying it another way, you have no friggin idea.

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  466. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:09 am #

    Join Up!
    Reality is America’s last best hope. Join the Reality Party.

  467. Patrizia September 7, 2012 at 3:26 am #

    Draghi succeded in what Germany mostly feared: to transform the euro into the lira. And Italians are very happy.
    It is like building a Ferrari with the 500 fiat engine.
    It looks great, it costs much less than a Ferrari and it does what a Ferrari is for: it is a status symbol.
    Because most people do not buy a Ferrari to go 300 km. per hour, it is not even possible.
    In italian Freeways you have the limit of 140 and it is unthinkable to drive at 300 km. on a normal road.
    So why do you need a Ferrari? To show that you can afford it.
    Most italians DO NOT want to go back to the lira.
    Mostly because it shows the “old” “unimportant” “weak” country.
    While having a currency like the euro, in common with strong states like Germany, is like having a Ferrari: you can show who you are.
    So, what is the ultimate goal if you cannot afford a strong currency?
    Adopting a strong one and using it like a weak.
    A Ferrari with the 500 fiat engine, that is it.

  468. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 8:34 am #

    Isn’t everything on Wikipedia? Maybe there.
    Isn’t everything on the Web? Maybe Google it.
    Or maybe here: SOURCE
    What difference does it make, Kyoo? Instead of going ad hominem, why not focus on the substance of the message?

  469. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    More people watched convention speeches than watched the NFL opening game. Americans seem more interested in politics than in sports.

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  470. San Jose Mom 51 September 7, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Kyoo,
    I’m guessing that Asoka is “quoting” Ken Wilber in that paragraph. Too bad he didn’t give Wilber any credit.

  471. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    It was a personal email from Wilber.
    Ken is not egoistic and does not want credit.
    I wanted to protect his privacy. You have now blown his cover.
    🙂

  472. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    SOURCE: Wilber, Ken. The Marriage of Sense and Soul: Integrating Science and Religion. New York: Random House, 1998.
    “In The Marriage of Sense and Soul, one of today’s most important philosophers articulates how we might begin to think about science and religion in ways that allow for their reconciliation and union, on terms that will be acceptable to both camps.” “Wilber clearly and succinctly explores the schism between science and religion, and the impact of this “philosophical Cold War” on the fate of humanity. He systematically reviews previous attempts at integration, explaining why romantic, idealistic, and postmodern theories failed. And he demonstrates how science is compatible with certain deep features common to all of the world’s major religious traditions. In pointing the way to a union between truth and meaning, Ken Wilber has created an elegant and accessible book that is breathtaking in its scope.”–BOOK JACKET.
    I HIGHLY RECOMMEND READING THIS BOOK. IT IS WILBER’S FIRST ATTEMPT TO POPULARIZE HIS MESSAGE TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE IN THE CLUSTERFUCK NATION.

  473. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    Why not focus on the substance of the message?
    Ahhhhhh – perhaps because it’s woo-woo bullshit and is without ant substance. Another case of too much magic.
    “A tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
    Signifying nothing.”

  474. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    any substance

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  475. bobby j September 7, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    I think that the presidential candidates and their entourage should be given high marks for reality realignment.Reality realignment is the skill of using language and psychology to make people feel hopeful and inspired within the very context that is destroying hope and the possibility of change to a reality based functional societal operation aka RBFSO. I wish I could live with that inspiration and hope that they so theatrically and eloquently expressed.

  476. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    your kidding right?

  477. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    The reality party already exists. The members just have to come together with the same fever and organization the opposition has.
    Here is one of our members.
    Paul Gilding
    Independent writer & advisor on sustainability.

  478. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Have you ever read any of Ken Wilber’s books? They are not woo-woo. The first Wilber book I read in 1983 was THE ATMAN PROJECT which has approximately 390 references to academic literature. Wilber grounds everything he says in solid research. You are kind of showing your ignorance with your unsubstantiated “woo-woo” remark. Further, your comment is without “ant substance”! LOL!
    Woof!

  479. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    Woof
    You are kind of showing your ignorance with your unsubstantiated “woo-woo” remark.
    You don’t want an unsubstantiated remark. Ok then.
    Perhaps you’d like another?
    WOO WOO

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  480. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    I RECOMMEND READING WILBER’S ATMAN PROJECT. HERE IS A SYNOPSIS TO WHET YOUR APPETITE:
    The Atman Project: A Transpersonal View of Human Development (1980)
    The Atman Project was written simultaneously with its “sister” volume, Up From Eden, which concentrates on historical anthropology and collective human evolution (phylogeny). Earlier versions of The Atman Project, still reflecting Wilber’s Romantic phase, were first published in the 1978 premier issues of the transpersonal journal ReVision (co-edited with Jack Crittenden). Nevertheless, by l979 Wilber had gone through “an inordinately difficult intellectual passage” in order to uncover the critical pre/trans fallacy which dramatically shifted his work into its second phase. The Atman Project was first published in 1980 by Quest Books; reprinted by Quest Books in 1996; it’s now part of The Collected Works of Ken Wilber, Volume 2 (Shambhala, 1999).
    The Atman Project goes on to cover the “outward and inward arcs” of individual human development (ontogeny) as the movement of the “general life cycle” from birth to Enlightenment. It emphasizes the fact that “development is evolution; evolution is transcendence,” or in other words, the invariant sequence of developmental unfolding basically transcends yet includes its predecessor(s). The fairly concise chapters therefore outline the general features and characteristics of the prepersonal, personal, and transpersonal developmental stages (the spectrum of conscious-ness), in a manner Wilber basically retains to this day. Not only does he delineate the various levels of mind (or the egoic self), including five different types of the unconscious brought forward in particular with Western psychology, but unlike other modern psychologists, Wilber gives a masterly overview of the transpersonal stages gleaned from a thorough study of the Eastern mystical traditions (as well as being grounded in his own spiritual practice). One of The Atman Project‘s principle theses, then, is that all the stages and drives of this unfolding, evolving, developing self are actually nothing more than the endless attempts to “attain ultimate Unity [Atman] in ways that prevent it and force symbolic substitutes”; this is the basic working definition of the “Atman-project.”

  481. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    I don’t share your penchant to have others tell me what to think. I am my own guru.

  482. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    More people watched convention speeches than watched the NFL opening game. Americans seem more interested in politics than in sports.
    ============
    Yeah, it’s scary isn’t it?! Even my wife is in a state of rapt attention over the political scene for the first time in her life. Normally her nose would be buried in a Sundance or Garnet Hill catalogue. She even reads the NYT op-eds – Dowd, Collins, Bruni (heavy-dooty leftwingers), and the token moderate conservative, David Brooks.
    I have been consistent in my contempt and revulsion for these political shows. What I know of them comes from news clips interspersed in other shows I’m watching. Take for example yesterday. I was watching CNBC with the sound muted (I keep the sound muted most of the time because I am simultaneously doing other stuff on my computer and the incessant talking of talking-heads is a major distraction) and as I glanced up from my laptop screen to the TV they were showing a clip of Bill Clinton speaking and gesturing wildly and then they cut to the audience who were greatly impressed. Grown men wearing odd costumes danced in the aisles in genuine glee… aging women with hair by L’Oreal all but tossed their room keys up on the stage. (I cannot recommend too highly the practice of watching speeches with the sound off.) The shot of the crowd was what really got me. Two thoughts flashed through my mind: (1) look at these jerk-offs and (2) they look like 13 year old girls wetting themselves in thrall of the latest boy-band.
    And don’t get me wrong, it’s the same with the republicans, in a somewhat more subdued way. The repubs need to gin-up their facade of excitement while the Dems are actually thrilled at the prospect of 4 more years in power during which to conceive ways of extracting wealth from those that HAVE for the benefit of those who don’t, in exchange for their votes.
    I watched a couple of great US Open tennis matches while the sickening political spectacle played out down south.

  483. San Jose Mom 51 September 7, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Baloney…..
    Ken has a massively huge ego. Not a bit of modesty. I went to Boulder for a retreat of sorts with about 30 others. He swears like a longshoreman.

  484. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    The book, Bald Ambition, is a deconstructionist attempt, but it is nowhere as subtle as deconstruction itself would require, as a process of “unbuilding” (instead of one of “tearing down”). The proof of this–if a proof is even required–is that Bald Ambition remains silent with respect to what can be done after his dismantling of the Theory of Everything is complete.
    The strippingthegurus website says it is possible to look at Wilber’s early but seminal book The Atman Project to see his idea of successive stages of psycho-spiritual development.
    Thanks, K-Dog. That is the kind of substance I was hoping for.

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  485. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    Thanks for sharing your opinion.

  486. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    Thanks for sharing your opinion.
    And thanks for bringing up Ken Wilber for discussion on CFN!

  487. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    I don’t share your penchant to have others tell me what to think. I am my own guru.
    You don’t need to be your own guru. You don’t need a guru. You are a dog. Woof!

  488. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    You read the book already? I’m impressed.

  489. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    The members just have to come together with the same fever and organization the opposition has.
    ============
    fervor

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  490. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    the Dems are actually thrilled at the prospect of 4 more years in power
    Yes, they are fired up and ready to go. They are at 150% enthusiasm and will be on the ground swarming the swing states with more intensity than 2008. With more intensity than ACORN.

  491. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    It came out in 2010, about two years ago.

  492. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Here is Ken Wilber supporting Ray Kurzweil. More evidence of insanity.

  493. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Yes, thanks!!

  494. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    I HIGHLY RECOMMEND READING THIS BOOK. IT IS WILBER’S FIRST ATTEMPT TO POPULARIZE HIS MESSAGE TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE IN THE CLUSTERFUCK NATION.
    ==========
    Is your role as a shill for Wilber on a paid or un-paid basis? I will explain why I ask shortly but I have been called to lunch.

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  495. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    I just watched the video. Thanks for the link. Wilber was being critical of Kurzweil, critical of the whole information revolution, because having a firehose of information is meaningless if you don’t have any way to make meaning out of it.

  496. 65avw95a8 September 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    “Fireworks” sprung up, after the night smile with colorful paint is part of a prosperous thoughts, dreams are always easy to wake up “mist” see life and afterlife I stared, life step a startling me life,
    love this nothingness “rainy season” a woman cry, cry so long bad eye for the beautiful love “and” your lightning storm, you scratch my quiet prairie and I did not speak out, to see how you lifted my hair

  497. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Kyoo, I thought it was obvious that I felt so much guilt for being called out by SJMom for plagiarizing that I wanted to compensate by publicizing Wilber’s work. It is unpaid work due to the extreme shame I feel. It is so embarrassing. SJMom caused me so much embarrassment I felt a need to do something nice for Wilber. This whole thing could have been avoided if I had just cited my source. I just never seem to learn to practice attribution on an anonymous blog.

  498. ozone September 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    You sez:
    “I don’t share your penchant to have others tell me what to think.”
    That’s very non-modern-‘Murkin of you (quite refreshing).
    But why go through all that trouble when ass-pok-ah is here to guide you [like the little lost puppy that you are] around all the terrors and troubles into the golden light of his higher plane of knowledge and existence? What are you, some kinda hard case? ;o)

  499. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    He is a dog. He doesn’t need a guru. Moderns don’t need gurus. They like to make fun of gurus. This is all so obvious it is knowable from even lower planes of knowledge where the terrors and troubles abound, about which there is much whining.
    In the higher planes of knowledge there are only opportunities, challenges, growth, and love. There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

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  500. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    “I don’t think there is such a thing as
    an intelligent mega-rich
    person.
    For who with a fine mind can look
    out upon this world and
    hoard
    what can nourish
    a thousand
    souls.”
    ? Kabir

  501. Jam47 September 7, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Amusing post. Good to see Clinton’s supporters so nicely skewered. However, I’m going to hijack your prose to make a point about grammar.
    “…cut to the audience who were greatly impressed.” As compared to that part of the audience who were NOT greatly impressed, right?
    “…cut to the audience, who were greatly impressed.” The comma after “audience” turns your restrictive clause into a non-restrictive clause and therefore conveys what you had in mind, which was the whole audience as a whole, not a part of it.
    The restrictive/non-restrictive mistake is all over the place, so you have lots of company, even among literature specialists in the academy.
    One Benita Eisler, a university professor, wrote a biography about Byron a few years a ago. I took it out of the public library in expectation of a good read. But on virtually every page she used the restrictive when she should have used the non-restrictive. It was a big book, 500 pages or so. Reading it would have meant 500 pages of irritation.I returned it the next day.

  502. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    jam47, I have tried relentlessly to correct Kyoo’s grammar, especially with regard to his omission of commas. He does not catch his errors because his spell check does not point them out. He seems unaware that his grammatical errors change the meaning. He ends up saying things he surely did not mean to say, as your post makes clear.
    Thank you for a good explanation of the restrictive/non-restrictive mistake. Of course, the possibility exists that only a small minority of attendees were greatly impressed, and Kyoo was speaking of that small gaggle of Democrats. In that case Kyoo’s omission of the comma was correct.

  503. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    In pointing the way to a union between truth and meaning, Ken Wilber has created an elegant and accessible book that is breathtaking in its scope.”–BOOK JACKET.
    ================
    The above sounds like it was written by book review generating software… something like a random number generator. Surely, by now, such software exists.
    In one of the Sienfeld episodes a handsome guy tells Elaine she is breathtaking and she goes all aflutter, lapping up the flattery. A little while later this same handsome dude looks into a bassinet where the world’s ugliest newborn is sleeping and tells the mother, Elaine’s friend, the baby is breathtaking. Elaine puts two and two together and is crestfallen.
    The moral: Beware of book reviews that use the word breathtaking.

  504. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Wilber is famous for supporting the wrong people like Da Free John and Andrew Cohen.
    The world is obviously poised on the brink of catastrophe. Only a strong dictatorship could bring it into some kind of golden age – with a very ugly shadow. The Anglo Saxon attempt was subverted by the Judeo Masons who took over their societies from within – and used their power to crush Germany’s attempt to break free. I don’t want to live in the New World Order – they have slated my race for death.
    Wilber always ignores race – or pretends not to notice how all of Black Africa is in the red zone and by definition, can never leave. As George Obama (Barack’s brother) said, why did Asia benefit from colonialism, but not Africa? We have no one to blame but ourselves.
    Has Wilber calculated Peak Oil into his Utopianism? Not that I’ve heard.

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  505. Jam47 September 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Yes, I know. “…which was the whole audience as a whole…”
    Corrected:”…which was the whole audience, not a part of it.”
    My point remains.

  506. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Good article about the Father of American Neo Gothic – completely ignored and forgotten by choice. The architect of St John the Divine in NY. Not because he was Bi or Gay, but because he was a Real Conservative (not a fake one). And yes, that means he wanted the White Race to thrive.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/09/ralph-adams-cram-wild-boy-of-american-architecture/#more-31037

  507. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    Kyoo, Wilber’s book is breathtaking. I have read it twice. On the second reading I was able to breathe more normally. The first reading literally took my breath away. It is that impressive. Give it a read.
    “The Marriage of Sense and Soul: Integrating Science and Religion (1998) is another mature Phase-4 writing that uses an “all-quadrant, all-level” approach in order to explain how both science and religion (or authentic spirituality) can be integrated into the modern and postmodern worldview. Begun in late 1996, the two-hundred page manuscript was written up in only a few months with a target audience of mainstream religious and orthodox scientific communities, not the New Age, New Paradigm crowd. Originally titled “The Integration of Science and Religion: The Union of Ancient Wisdom and Modern Knowledge,” it was sold to a traditional New York publisher, Random House, who renamed it from the Oscar Wilde quote Wilber used on the opening page; thus its readership has reached into the highest political offices of the United States. The Marriage of Sense and Soul was first published in 1998 by Random House; it’s now part of The Collected Works of Ken Wilber, Volume 8 (Shambhala, 2000).
    The Marriage of Sense and Soul convincingly maintains that any true “integration of science and religion” will have to include not only the ancient wisdom of the premodern world (spiritual values, for instance), but also the hard-fought triumphs or “dignity” (the “good news”) of the modern/postmodern world (science and liberal democracies, for instance). Yet such a “marriage” will also have to simultaneously heal and transcend modernity’s fractious dissociations or “disasters” (the “bad news”), many coming from the reductionistic and materialistic (or “flatland”) philosophy commonly known as scientism. It’s suggested that only through a more integral approach, an “all-quadrant, all-level” embrace, will it be possible to unite the amazing advances of an exterior-oriented science with the wisdom values and transpersonal meanings found in an interior-based spirituality. In other words, this concise treatise basically claims the only way for a true marriage of science and religion to take place, one that is acceptable to both parties, is for it to adopt an integral view broad enough to maintain the essential qualities of each, although admittedly, they will both have to “give a little” and expand their rigid positions in order to serve the universal quest for true knowledge. Overall, written in a reader-friendly style, this accessible book is aimed at guiding a general audience in finding a mutual accord between the spiritual, subjective world of ancient wisdom and the objective, empirical world of modern scientific knowledge.”
    Now I am happy SJMom turned CFN toward Wilber!

  508. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Of course, the possibility exists that only a small minority of attendees were greatly impressed
    =============
    A question for Jam: Shouldn’t the above bolded word be was?

  509. Rhino September 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    BT,
    Asoka speaks like a true one percenter: don’t worry, be happy. Apparently he cherry picked his rebuttal from a Washington Post article and accepted it at face value without a trace of skepticism.
    A simple question: are job prospects for incoming hispanic immigrants anything like what they were for people a lot like them earlier in the 20th century? Like, for example, people in my own family in the postwar period 1945-1970? No? I would agree.
    So let’s look at some of what Mr Burkauser says.
    “Based only on their market income, the bottom 20 percent lost about one-third of its income between 1979 and 2007.”
    So they lost ONE effing THIRD of their market income. That’s between 1979 and 2007.
    What about from before 1979? What if you start in 1950? Or 1945? Oh, wait, these census surveys only started in 1967. Burkhauser says: “So, a major scientific innovation, beginning in the 1960s, was that in the 1967, for the first time, the Census Bureau became willing to go out and poll people in their homes; and we started to have an annual current population survey. In that survey, which is now the most important data set used to measure the income and employment of Americans, the surveyor goes into the door.”
    Source: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/04/burkhauser_on_t.html
    And before 1967? There be darkness.
    But nevermind. So to make this crappy state of affairs look and smell better, you factor in the impact of transfers.
    Effing brilliant. You factor in benefits that were taxed, laundered and shrunken by inept, corrupt, disastrously managed, bought-and-paid-for-governments.
    And we’re supposed to think that all is well? Especially when the govt is sitting on a sixteen trillion dollar powder keg that’s growing by what, a trillion a year? More? And especially when there’s NO realistic plan to deal with this unfolding nightmare? And especially when the funder of this debt is now apparently Wall Street’s fartcatcher, the intellectually debauched Fed?
    If a greenback counterfitter, caught redhanded by the FBI, was brought before a judge and prosecutor, what could he say? He could say that what he was doing was no different than what the Fed led by Bernanke is doing, producing bogus currency for the benefit of a criminal organization, in Bernanke’s case the criminal enterprise being Wall Street.
    What about the effect of transfers on the middle percentiles? How has this changed over time? The little Washington Post blurb doesn’t say.
    Burkhauser makes a big deal about measuring household income instead of individual income. Except that in the postwar 1940s and 1950s a minority of wives in households were employed in the labor force. But now among co-habiting or married people a one income household is the exception rather than the rule. How do I know? Screw the studies, I saw it myself. But according to Burkhauser the time before 1967 is the Age of Ignorance. Except that is if you were alive and could see what was going on.
    Here, for the hell of it, is a CBO study: Trends in the Distribution of Household Income Between 1979 and 2007
    http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/10-25-HouseholdIncome.pdf
    And here, cherry-picked Assoka style, is what the study says on page 35:
    “The equalizing effect of transfers declined over the 1979–2007 period primarily because the distribution of transfers became less progressive. The equalizing effect of federal taxes also declined over the period, in part because the amount of federal taxes shrank as a share of market income and in part because of changes in the progressivity of the federal tax system.”
    Don’t worry, be happy? Not only have distribution of transfers become LESS progressive according to the CBO but at the same time governments have become more and more burdened by debt.
    “Changes in the progressivity of the federal tax system” the CBO says. You don’t say.
    But nevermind, there are other studies out there. One of which (Saez, Piketty) mine IRS data for trends in income for almost a hundred years. Here’s what they say, that from 1970 to 2010, average pre-tax income per taxpayer in the bottom 90 percent of the distribution fell from $31,839 to $28,840 in inflation-adjusted dollars. For those in the top 0.01 percent, market income rose from $2.14 million a year in 1970 to $16.27 million in 2010. – NYTimes Opinion Page Apr 22/12.
    OK. Firstly, there’s an old saying about “lies, damned lies and statistics” (Tm Twain or maybe Disraeli).
    Secondly, “there’s nobody so fullashit as an expert” (Tm yours truly)
    Economics in my opinion is so rotten with political ideology and so bent by economic interests as to render it useless as a field of study. NOTHING that comes out of it should be trusted to give any fair, honest, complete or dependable reflection of the economy.
    As Burkhauser says: “You have to make all kinds of decisions and assumptions; and your biases and ideology of course color what your assumptions are.”
    And he goes on to say: “But I’ll tell you the truth–and the truth is, and this is just the way we academics are, and I’ll admit it: the puzzle to me is how can you get such apparently wildly different visions with the same data?”
    No shit.
    Message to people not impervious to reason: Trust your own eyes and ears.
    For my part, I’ve visited the USA numerous times over 50 years and we’ve had family there for more than a century. So I think I’m qualified to draw my own conclusions. Some of us of a certain age remember when almost all ordinary Americans could get decent paying jobs.

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  510. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Ken Wilber on Peak Oil:
    THE EVER NEARING APOCALYPSE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1v7GCXw_50s
    Warning: contains multitudes and lots of laughter!

  511. XXX5 September 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    Vlad said:
    Wilber is famous for supporting the wrong people like Da Free John and Andrew Cohen.
    **************************************************************
    I have good instincts. Decades ago I wrote Wilber off as another self-aggrandizing kook who was forming a personality cult around himself for doing what others have done quietly … take care of a dying spouse. He shaved his head and put his bald pate on a book to “honor” his wife by imitating her bald head … bald due to chemotherapy.
    Like most New Age kooks, such as Eckhart Tolle, he just borrows from Vedantism and Buddhism whenever it helps him to form catchy ideas that sell books. Guys like Wilber mimic the world culture at large … any catchy scam to make a buck and the more spiritual mumbo-jumbo, the better.
    These “spiritualists” are as greedy as any Wall Street character. They just picked a radically different venue.
    E.

  512. XXX5 September 7, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    I might add, Vlad, that Wilber is another of these high-and-mighty “thinkers” who relegate scientific thinking to the LOWEST metaphysical state. Never mind that scientific thinking has brought us everything from the flush toilet to polio vaccine.
    I detest these spiritualists who equate their jumbled metaphysic to a higher order of being. Indeed, I find them laughable.
    What is it about New Age that puffs up people’s egos so?? They’re worse than Pentacostalist Bible Thumpers. The Thumpers just go on a literalist interpretation of the Bible but these New Age nutters just repackage some sectors of Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, various Hindu religious sects, and Christianity into their own person new CATEGORICAL systems which don’t correspond to any NATURAL categories at all.
    E.

  513. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    I’m going to hijack your prose to make a point about grammar.
    =========
    Thanks for pointing out this restrictive/non-restrictive nuance of punctuation/grammar. As soon as I read the line through your prism I see clearly what you are talking about.
    And, way to go on returning that 500 page book to the li-berry. I’d have done the same thing.

  514. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    And here, cherry-picked Asoka style, is what the study says on page 35:
    What you call cherry-picking is actually an intelligent selection of pertinent data. Nobody wants you to post hundreds of pages to CFN. Cherry-picking is absolutely necessary and is an indication of your intelligence.

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  515. Rhino September 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Was Draghi, an Italian, looking after Italian interests?
    I suspect that Germans on the other hand are as unhappy as the Italians are happy, Germans having bitter memories of what mismanagement of a currency can do and what hell can result. How long before fascistic political parties rear their ugly heads and start to make inroads?
    Italy found a sucker to pay its bills. Germany sees that it gave up the mighty DMark… for what exactly?

  516. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    “Good to see Clinton’s supporters so nicely skewered.”
    Hardly. The old fart didn’t even have the sound on, so he’s basing his comments on how everyone looked, not on what was being said, which is pretty shallow.

  517. XXX5 September 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    After Obama gets reelected and we get four more years of his pal, Bernanke, increasing the wealth of the most sociopathic, corrupt stewards of capital in world history, we will see that Obama does NOT represent “change you can believe in”.
    Obama represents the typically Democratic idea that big government, with new agencies, each of which has hundreds or thousands of staffers and bloated, overpaid, do-nothing bureaucrats, are going to magically turn around a globalist system responsible for the evisceration of the US middle class.
    Everyone on this site should read the article whose link I posted long ago about the FORTY things Obama and Romney have in common. Obama is a typical Chicago politician who makes sure his kin have a “blingy” life. Once again, the idea that we have a “choice”, an illusion largely manifested by Bill Clinton’s commercial in support of Obama, is front and center.
    These politicians are absolutely POWERLESS against world globalist oligarchs. They are PUPPETS. Those who want “change you can believe in” will get their wish soon because this sucker’s going down so fast that we will get a dictatorship as society gets destabilized because our economy will become a black market and the rate of violence, having gone down so much during opulent times, is already rapidly increasing.
    E.

  518. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Wilber is another of these high-and-mighty “thinkers” who relegate scientific thinking to the LOWEST metaphysical state.
    You are a bit confused here, XXX5. Wilber considers scientific inquiry to be a means of “valid knowing” with three essential characteristics:
    1) Instrumental injuction
    2) Direct apprehension
    3) Communal confirmation (or rejection)
    His argument is that science is a valid method of knowing that can be applied in both external and internal domains.

  519. Rhino September 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    What you call cherry-picking is actually an intelligent selection of pertinent data. – Assoka
    No it’s not. Not without considering what Burkhauser says about academics: “…how can you get such apparently wildly different visions with the same data?”
    And not without using your own eyes and ears and judgement and reason. Not when such “data” and conclusions are so wildly at odds with simple observation ie your own observations and those of people you know and trust.
    Big G gave you a brain. Use it once in a while.

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  520. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    These politicians are absolutely POWERLESS against world globalist oligarchs. They are PUPPETS.
    Ohhh, scary oligarchs! Playing with puppets! LOL!
    You know very well, XXX5, that JHK does not look kindly on conspiracy theories being posted to CFN.
    Who are these “globalist oligarchs” who are in charge of politicians and treat them like “puppets”?
    Some of the puppets you refer to are also in charge of armed forces (Obama, Putin, etc.) which they seem to deploy without consulting “globalist oligarchs” … or do you have any evidence that both Putin and Obama ask permission from “globalist oligarchs” before making a move?
    Name those “oligarchs” who are playing with puppet politicians, those who control Obama, Putin, Jintao, Mukhrjee, Zardari, etc. with such ease.

  521. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    I’m trying, Rhino, but you know how Vlad says Blacks have such a low IQ? It hurts to use my fool brain. So, I cut and paste. Others be doin’ my thinkin’ for me. I have no pride of authorship. I let them.

  522. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Thanks for coming out to play today, Rhino.
    Nobody wants you to copy/paste hundreds of pages.
    They want you to cherry pick relevant data. That is what we are both doing. It’s fun, isn’t it?

  523. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    After Obama gets reelected…
    You have a crystal ball? You can see into the future?
    What evidence do you have that Obama will be re-elected?
    Why would he be re-elected… when you maintain we are in a fucking ECONOMIC DEPRESSION and we are in the fucking CRUNCH TIME with Euro collapse and war with Iran about to happen any day now?
    You are contradicting yourself. Which is fine, if you are large and contain multitudes. But not fine, if you are Mr. Logic & Computer Science, Teacher of the Year.

  524. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    OK, clusterfucers and conspiracy theorists, all you who trust nothing from government sources. Riddle me this: why the fuck would the Obama administration fix the job data is such a way that it hurts Obama’s chances for re-election.
    I trust big government data and believe in its integrity. You don’t. So it falls to you to explain why the government is out to hurt itself.
    “WASHINGTON — U.S. employers added 96,000 jobs last month, a weak figure that could slow the momentum President Barack Obama hoped to gain from his speech Thursday night to the Democratic National Convention.
    The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July. But that was only because more people gave up looking for jobs. People who are out of work are counted as unemployed only if they’re looking for a job.
    The government also said Friday that 41,000 fewer jobs were created in July and June than first estimated. The economy has added just 139,000 jobs a month since the start of the year, below 2011’s average of 153,000.”

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  525. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    That’s good, and I don’t think your view of economics is opinion. I think it is fact.
    Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”
    – Mark Twain’s Own Autobiography

  526. Jam47 September 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    As I understand it, using WERE rather than WAS, or WAS rather than WERE, depends on whether the collective noun that is the subject of WAS/WERE is regarded as a single unit or as a number of individuals within the unit.
    A collective noun used a unit requires WAS. A collective noun in which the individual things that constitute the unit are to be stressed, requires WERE.
    But there’s a problem. Depending on the particular noun, it’s up to the writer to decide whether he wants to stress that noun’s singularity or plurality.
    If Asoka used “minority” to mean one thing undivided, WAS would be correct. If he meant the one or more constituents of a minority, WERE would be correct.
    Asoka can’t be faulted on this unless we know which way he meant to go, and we don’t.
    This is how I understand the matter. But English grammar is a complicated topic, and I’m no expert.

  527. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    If you were black you would not have just posted that.

  528. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July. But that was only because more people gave up looking for jobs. People who are out of work are counted as unemployed only if they’re looking for a job.
    Curious logic or lack thereof.
    By what standard does one determine if someone else is looking or not looking for something that does not exist?
    “Lies, damned lies and statistics.”
    In this case it is both lies and statistics!

  529. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    OK, clusterfuckers and conspiracy theorists.
    Admitting your just here to cause trouble and are not one of the pack are you?

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  530. San Jose Mom 51 September 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    Despite his flaws, I like Wilber. His book “Integral Psychology” does a good job of comparing and contrasting differed models (East and West) of the psych.
    And to the person who mentioned his shaving his head to empathize with his wife….Ken Wilber has always shaved his head. He is as bald as a bowling ball.
    Inspite of his baldness, chicks dig him. When I saw him back around 2000, he was going through his “flavor of the month” phase with nubile 20-somethings. He has a sense of style, lifts weights, and he’s very tall and very smart.
    Jen
    P.S. He hates Zukov’s “Dancing Wu Li Masters.” Oh the filth that poored out of his mouth when he talks about the so-called spiritual/physics connection….it would make a whore blush.

  531. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    you’re

  532. Buck Stud September 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Now that the conventions are over, or should I say the pom-pom parades, I would like like to nominate the most frank and honest politician(which isn’t saying much)of the group:
    Ron Paul.
    Yeah I know, Paul is not without fault, but at least he will utter some criticism of US foreign/military policy beyond the patriotic platitudes that incessantly reverberated from the rafters of both conventions. So much blather and patriotic cotton-candy has infested the political dialogue that when an honest critique is forthcoming, such as Ron Paul occasionally provides, he is immediately dismissed as “nutty’ or out on the lunatic fringe. And yet how can a person or nation can call themselves great if not capable of honest self-reflection that sometimes contradicts deranged jingoistic chest-thumping? I suppose the answer has something to do with self-delusion and denial. And hence the call for “Reality” from the more sober and sane among us.

  533. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    asoka, why are the fluctuations in market trading any indication of economic prosperity? They measure the volume of trading of public company shares only, and a direct correlation between those numbers and overall economic health is hard to prove. The correlation is weak at best. In other words, if the DOW went from 8000 to 13000 and there were a strong correlation, then the economy should be something like 60% more prosperous or richer (I’m exaggerating but you get the idea). But, obviously, it is not. These indices fluctuate a lot, because there is so much money sloshing around in the system, always seeking out the next best thing. Sometimes it is bonds, other times stocks. A lot of it is automated computer trading. So, I dunno, take those numbers with a grain of salt. (A block of salt more like it.)
    Let’s say some bank gets a bunch of money from the Fed (hey QE2, I’m loving it), and then they dump this money into the market. How is that an indication of prosperity? The Fed just devalued all the dollars out there, so some crooked bank can ride a 1% gain in a stock price. It is BS.
    Better measures of economic health are unemployment, inflation (or hopefully lack thereof), new job figures, salaries, and other more concrete measurements. But, hey, let’s not dig into that. Much easier to just use some stupid market index.

  534. anti soak September 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    This is now the Asoka show!
    Asoka pulls a fast one and JHK will finance his nonsense, at least here.

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  535. anti soak September 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm #

    Ozone, you posted about the California hate speech bill.

  536. anti soak September 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    [OOps, I meant to hit ‘minimize’ not ‘submit’].
    Here:
    ‘Resolution HR35 buttressing a controversial report commissioned by the University…..
    During the Cold War, Jewish organizations and the the left in general strongly supported free speech.
    But now that they are in power, every effort is being made to consolidate their power by preventing honest inquiry and debate.
    And although the First Amendment protections are still secure, there is certainly no guarantee that it will remain that way. The most recent appointee, Elena Kagan, has shown that she is entirely on board with Waldron’s logic:
    [Kagan] is entirely on board with seeking ways to circumscribe free speech in the interests of multicultural virtue: “I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation.”
    She acknowledges that the Supreme Court is unlikely to alter its stance that speech based on viewpoint is protected by the First Amendment, but she sees that as subject to change with a different majority: The Supreme Court “will not in the foreseeable future” adopt the view that “all governmental efforts to regulate suchspeech … accord with the Constitution.”
    But in her view there is nothing to prevent it from doing so. Clearly, she does not see the protection of viewpoint-based speech as a principle worth preserving or set in stone. Rather, she believes that a new majority could rule that “all government efforts to regulate such speech” would be constitutional. All government efforts’.
    ………………………………
    Its the old ‘Stalinist’ routine again.
    Or Maos ‘100 Flowers’ campaign.
    Encourage dissent in order to find the dissenters and kill them.

  537. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 4:57 pm #

    “a globalist system responsible for the evisceration of the US middle class”
    There is something to be said about the effect of government policy on the prosperity of the middle class. However, the effect is overstated. There are basic laws of capitalism at work here, that have caused middle class incomes to stagnate and retreat here in the US. Corporations are nearly always going to seek out the lowest labor costs, all other factors being equal. This by itself explains the loss of manufacturing and some service jobs to countries like China.
    See, for instance, this story.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/average-cost-factory-worker_n_1327413.html
    The cost of an average Chinese worker is one tenth that of a comparable US one.
    With these kinds of price differentials, what kind of company would not take advantage, were they able? It is simply common sense to them.
    There are other factors at work. The state of a country’s infrastructure and its tax system are two of the other major determinants as to whether a corporation would choose to manufacture goods there. Both of these have, in the last say couple decades, been improved in China, such that there is very little reason for a US manufacturing company to make goods here. Many of those that tried went out of business, because American workers are expensive.
    Now, you can point to counter-examples like Germany, but if you look at their economic policies, there is much protectionism and incentivizing to keep corporations within their borders.
    So, as I see it, there are some political factors at work, but the primary ones are economic.
    Where you don’t see all that much job loss and income stagnation are the fields which cannot be effectively exported, like doctors and lawyers. These are skilled profession where offshoring is not possible. However, if your company is manufacturing widgets, it makes no sense, barring some very strong and elaborate government incentives, to make them here in the US. It costs far less to manufacture them in an environment with low cost of labor and then ship them where needed.
    Anyways, just my two cents. Blaming globalist overlords is, I realize, a popular way to put it, but that ignores some pretty basic economic realities that are built in the way capitalism works.

  538. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    My primary example would be Apple, which employs US engineers, but manufacturers everything in China using Foxxcon, thus there ridiculous profit margins.
    And BTW, the US has been bleeding manufacturing jobs since at least the early 60’s, so this isn’t anything new. It is just that many countries are now catching up (or have caught up and surpassed) our infrastructure, such as roads, railroads, and ports.
    I would expect this trend to continue, barring something unforseen.

  539. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Riddle me this: why the fuck would the Obama administration fix the job data is such a way that it hurts Obama’s chances for re-election.
    First, two administrative details: (1) it’s in, not is and (2) you ended a question with a period rather than a question mark.
    Now, as for an answer to your question… they wouldn’t and they didn’t. Only a tiny portion of the voting public pays any attention to the nuances of the unemployment data. All they know is that Unemployment rate declines from 8.3% to 8.1% is GOOD.
    This morning I was made to laugh out loud when the talking-heads of CNBC, jabbering all at once over top of one another about the data, were strongly out-shouted by super-cynic, Rick Santelli, who said (paraphrased) “Here’s a prediction for ya! I guarantee the administration will announce on the Friday before election day that the unemployment rate dropped to 7.9%”

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  540. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    And BTW, Americans expect a standard of living that is far too high when compared with the rest of the planet. The US consumes, roughly, 25% of the world’s carbon energy resources with only 4% of so of the total population. This is completely out of whack, and anyone who thinks it can and should go on forever is out of their mind. The fall in average US per capita household wealth and prosperity is inevitable. It represents a correction to our profligate and wasteful usage of natural resources. One can blame it on the government, ad infinitum, but what they’re doing is essentially just “kicking the can down the road” (I know, I know, but that’s the most apt analogy) for all of us. What do you think the massive amount of US debt is really spent on? It is mostly the government trying to shore up the standard of living of the average person, as much of the expenses go towards entitlements, the military, and government jobs, all solid bulwarks of the middle class here.
    So, I dunno, blame someone else like “oligarchs” or crooked politicians all you want but I’m not buying it.

  541. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Do you think the 0.2% change was due to people who stopped looking for work or did a lot of people find jobs? Just curious. You seem more tuned in to this than me. Perhaps there’s a link I need to follow.

  542. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    Correction:
    7.9%.”

  543. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    Perhaps there’s a link I need to follow.
    ================
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
    Something called the “labor force participation rate” seems to be the driving factor in the improved “headline” rate of 8.1%.
    Employment itself, as a percent of the population, is at its worst level since 1981. That’s 31 years. (I’m good at subtraction.)

  544. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    I have more to add to this. (haha surprise!)
    The increase in “useless” government jobs has a lot to do with the bottom dropping out in manufacturing and other formerly solidly middle class bastions. The Fed is taking up the slack by providing more jobs than are actually needed, simply to keep households and local economies afloat. That’s why in many small towns and cities in America, the majority of decent-paying jobs are actually government positions: firemen, policement, medical personnel, teachers, etc. That’s pretty much all that’s left when the manufacturing disappears, aside from low-paying service jobs and local high-payed professionals like doctors (and they don’t tend to live in small towns anyways).
    Another factor is the absurd amount of money that those at the top manage to skim, coupled with magical disappearing unions. It used to be that a large fraction of the labor force was unionized, so abuses or discrepancies at the top would be called out during labor negotiations. In white collar work, hardly anyone is unionized, thus the CEOs and other high rollers need only convince the Board of Directors that they require a $10 million dollar golden parachute severance package. More money flowing to those at the top, the VPs, the CEOs, and the upper level managers, means that less goes to the bottom, which is comprised of the middle class workers.
    Now I can just imagine someone like Q arguing that those who receive the money deserve it, but they argue in tautologies. Why do they deserve the money? Why, simply because they received it. There seems to be very little thought that the massive gaps in income between upper and lower level employees, which are not present to the same degree in other countries (such as Japan), exacerbate the struggles of the middle class.

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  545. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Thank you for correcting my typo, then correcting the correction. You are a very valuable member of CFN.

  546. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    The Fed is taking up the slack by providing more jobs than are actually needed, simply to keep households and local economies afloat.
    Labor Department statistics say that government employment has decreased by 608,000 since February 2009. Nevertheless, Fox News and Politico both uncritically reported Mitt Romney’s false claim that “[w]e have 145,000 more government workers under this president.”
    SOURCE: http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/29/government-employment-drops-under-obama-but-med/181931

  547. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    asoka, pardon if I didn’t mention this, but I was talking about the long term trends of 30-40 years, not just the last few years.

  548. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    The fall in average US per capita household wealth and prosperity is inevitable. It represents a correction to our profligate and wasteful usage of natural resources.
    About time someone said this!
    The “fall” or what XXX5 calls the complete “disappearance of the middle class” (which is a lie) is not only inevitable. It is moral, just, and desirable.
    Karma’s a bitch. No sense complaining about it or getting into the victim mode. We brought it on ourselves.
    Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.

  549. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    ATTRIBUTION
    Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.
    –Malcolm X

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  550. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    This is now the Asoka show!
    Asoka pulls a fast one and JHK will finance his nonsense, at least here.
    ================
    Yes, it’s all about me and my ideas. JHK allows it because my comments are relevant and intelligently presented, usually with good sentence construction.
    And the more y’all engage in ad hominem, the more it will remain the Asoka show.

  551. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    You are quite verbose this week, soka.
    Too much coffee? Too much time on your hands? Or just a lot to say? 🙂

  552. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    Thank you, Turkle, for that clarification.
    That changes things.
    Please disregard my previous comment.
    However, let me take this opportunity to answer your previous question about the DOW.
    When the stocks of the companies that make up the DJIA begin to show weakness, the U.S. economy may be headed for a slowdown.
    The other two Dow Jones indexes covering transportation and utilities can also signal market and economic trends. Those who subscribe to Dow theory analysis believe the three Dow Jones indexes can be used to confirm each other.
    The theory holds that if any of the three Dow Jones indexes, particularly the Dow 30 and the Transports, begin to diverge in direction during a market uptrend, caution may be warranted. The basic tenet of Dow theory is that the three Dow Jones indexes represent the major areas of the U.S. economy: industrials, transportation and utilities. When there is weakness in one,there may be weakness coming in the others and in the U.S economy in general.
    Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/08/dow-history.asp#ixzz25p8ydXyP

  553. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    I admit some weakness in the details, so thanks for the link.
    My main examples would be annecdotal. Suppose there is a company that employs 10,000 people. It gets a new CEO who fires 5,000 of these employees and outsources their labor to another country. Due to these layoffs and the resulting cost savings (let’s say), the quarterly profit of this company goes up, so investors snap up the stock. The stock price rises. Thus, if it is part of an index, the index also gets a bump.
    So, my point is that behavior which is not overall healthy to a national economy, e.g. the laying off of all those workers, can still lead to rising stock prices.
    I’m not sure about correlations between the three indices. I’d need to look into it further before commenting further.

  554. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    “It is moral, just, and desirable.”
    Well, then why are you acting like a cheerleader for rising US market indices, if what you really want is a drastic fall in US standard of living? It makes no sense.

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  555. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    And, BTW, this is exactly how many Fortune 500 countries reap such huge profits and keep their stock prices high. They keep a skeleton crew in their main base of operations, the US, whilst outsourcing all key manufacturing functions to much cheaper and less regulated economies, like China, where, pretty much, laborers are treated like slaves.

  556. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    No particular reason. Just enjoying myself a bit.

  557. ak September 7, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    The “Labor Participation Rate, 16 years and over, both sexes” seems to follow a bell curve that peaked around year 2000.
    The graph is a generated file, so it may not live for long, but here’s the table [% of population]

    Year  Jan   Feb   Mar   Apr   May   Jun   Jul   Aug   Sep   Oct   Nov   Dec
    1981  63.9  63.9  64.1  64.2  64.3  63.7  63.8  63.8  63.5  63.8  63.9  63.6
    1982  63.7  63.8  63.8  63.9  64.2  63.9  64.0  64.1  64.1  64.1  64.2  64.1
    1983  63.9  63.8  63.7  63.8  63.7  64.3  64.1  64.3  64.3  64.0  64.1  64.1
    1984  63.9  64.1  64.1  64.3  64.5  64.6  64.6  64.4  64.4  64.4  64.5  64.6
    1985  64.7  64.7  64.9  64.9  64.8  64.6  64.7  64.6  64.9  65.0  64.9  65.0
    1986  64.9  65.0  65.1  65.1  65.2  65.4  65.4  65.3  65.4  65.4  65.4  65.3
    1987  65.4  65.5  65.5  65.4  65.7  65.5  65.6  65.7  65.5  65.7  65.7  65.7
    1988  65.8  65.9  65.7  65.8  65.7  65.8  65.9  66.1  65.9  66.0  66.2  66.1
    1989  66.5  66.3  66.3  66.4  66.3  66.5  66.5  66.5  66.4  66.5  66.6  66.5
    1990  66.8  66.7  66.7  66.6  66.6  66.4  66.5  66.5  66.4  66.4  66.4  66.4
    1991  66.2  66.2  66.3  66.4  66.2  66.2  66.1  66.0  66.2  66.1  66.1  66.0
    1992  66.3  66.2  66.4  66.5  66.6  66.7  66.7  66.6  66.5  66.2  66.3  66.3
    1993  66.2  66.2  66.2  66.1  66.4  66.5  66.4  66.4  66.2  66.3  66.3  66.4
    1994  66.6  66.6  66.5  66.5  66.6  66.4  66.4  66.6  66.6  66.7  66.7  66.7
    1995  66.8  66.8  66.7  66.9  66.5  66.5  66.6  66.6  66.6  66.6  66.5  66.4
    1996  66.4  66.6  66.6  66.7  66.7  66.7  66.9  66.7  66.9  67.0  67.0  67.0
    1997  67.0  66.9  67.1  67.1  67.1  67.1  67.2  67.2  67.1  67.1  67.2  67.2
    1998  67.1  67.1  67.1  67.0  67.0  67.0  67.0  67.0  67.2  67.2  67.1  67.2
    1999  67.2  67.2  67.0  67.1  67.1  67.1  67.1  67.0  67.0  67.0  67.1  67.1
    2000  67.3  67.3  67.3  67.3  67.1  67.1  66.9  66.9  66.9  66.8  66.9  67.0
    2001  67.2  67.1  67.2  66.9  66.7  66.7  66.8  66.5  66.8  66.7  66.7  66.7
    2002  66.5  66.8  66.6  66.7  66.7  66.6  66.5  66.6  66.7  66.6  66.4  66.3
    2003  66.4  66.4  66.3  66.4  66.4  66.5  66.2  66.1  66.1  66.1  66.1  65.9
    2004  66.1  66.0  66.0  65.9  66.0  66.1  66.1  66.0  65.8  65.9  66.0  65.9
    2005  65.8  65.9  65.9  66.1  66.1  66.1  66.1  66.2  66.1  66.1  66.0  66.0
    2006  66.0  66.1  66.2  66.1  66.1  66.2  66.1  66.2  66.1  66.2  66.3  66.4
    2007  66.4  66.3  66.2  65.9  66.0  66.0  66.0  65.8  66.0  65.8  66.0  66.0
    2008  66.2  66.0  66.1  65.9  66.1  66.1  66.1  66.1  65.9  66.0  65.8  65.8
    2009  65.7  65.8  65.6  65.6  65.7  65.7  65.5  65.4  65.1  65.0  65.0  64.6
    2010  64.8  64.9  64.9  65.1  64.9  64.6  64.6  64.7  64.6  64.4  64.5  64.3
    2011  64.2  64.2  64.2  64.2  64.2  64.1  64.0  64.1  64.1  64.1  64.0  64.0
    2012  63.7  63.9  63.8  63.6  63.8  63.8  63.7  63.5
    
  558. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    Well matter is the lowest level and therefore study of matter is lower (in a sense) than the study of a higher level such as mind or group mind (society). “Obviously” it’s easier to get a consensus on the things of matter than the things of spirit – or at least it should be.
    On the other hand, as Aristotle said, never seer more clarity from a subject than that subject affords. Sociology and Psychology will never be as precise as math or newtonian physics. These disciplines use science and statistics to correlate their data – but by definition they are higher than these (at the level of mind and not matter) and a large degree of interpretation comes in. Btw, for most psychologist this would be greek. They want the prestige of science so they call themselves scientists.
    Wilber is an intellectual master of these levels and “quadrants” (his four quadrants, partly based of Jurgen Habermas) is a key to understanding. Without it, people try to reduce other disciplines to their own – even on a given level. Thus for Freud, all is sex. For Marx, everything is economics and so on.
    In other words, I’m with SJ – he’s very smart – and influential, knows the Clintons etc. And thus my bitterness at my ex-acharya for what he wont acknowledge or care about – Race. I haven’t read him in years, but he helped me alot.
    He would be the first to admit that he’s mostly a collater and not original. This collation (if that’s a word) was desperately needed. The four quadrants is probably his greatest gift – and he would admit it had precedents, but he did develop it. The hierarchical ordering of Man and the Unvierse is very, very old and was perfected everywhere long ago by the Traditional Philosphers and Yogis.
    Yet he serves the Gobalists and like his flirtation with Cohen and Da Free John, he is blowing it yet again.

  559. turkleton September 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Nice formatting. How’d you do that? 🙂

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  560. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    The prevailing view on CFN is that the economy is in the shits and the DOW does not represent the economy (a fantastic proposition, IMHO). So, I wanted to correct that misconception. Sorry if I came across as a cheerleader for the DOW.
    On the other hand, if CFN is correct, and we are in an economic depression, it does make sense that we are. I do not believe we can continue to rape the rest of the world with impunity.
    For decades we have tended toward tax breaks for the rich, removal of regulations from banking, less investment in our infrastructure and less support for our people (health, education, housing, etc.) It makes sense we are now in decline.
    Having voluntarily reduced my incomes to $1,000 a month, I have discovered a reduction in wealth has pleasant, unexpected benefits. So, decline is not necessarily a bad thing in my mind.
    It just requires adaptation away from “the American way of life” that Cheney swore we would defend at all costs. Turns out the costs have been very high indeed.
    It is so easy to blame it on “the bankers” or “the Jews” or the “globalist oligarchs” … instead of looking in the mirror and blaming it on our own immoral, profligate, and wasteful American lifestyle … a lifestyle to which I said, “good riddance.”

  561. ak September 7, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    Thanks.
    Replaced tabs w/ 2 spaces, and used <pre> and </pre> tags. (And tested in an old column 🙂

  562. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Having voluntarily reduced my TOTAL income to $1,000 a month, WITH NO DEBT, I have discovered a reduction in wealth has pleasant, unexpected benefits.
    If, as a blue collar worker, I could get my financial ducks in a row, thanks to reading JHK for seven years; and pay off my debts; and simplify my life; I’m pretty sure anyone can do it.
    After all, I am a fool, not a rocket scientist, and I managed it.

  563. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Well, then why are you acting like a cheerleader for rising US market indices, if what you really want is a drastic fall in US standard of living?
    ============
    Because yesterday it served his purposes to assume a direct correlation between market indices and the economy by presenting numbers that suggested Obama’s “excellent administration” was responsible for recent market increases while today it serves his purpose to piss off formerly middle-class Americans by saying Karma’s a bitch, the chickens have come home to roost, and he’s glad. It does not serve his purpose either today or yesterday to mention Black unemployment being nearly double the national average.
    If you are looking for consistent logic you will not find it in the writings of Asoka.

  564. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    I have noticed we have fewer sellers of horse and buggy whips, too.
    In other words, your assumption is that the labor participation rate SHOULD be higher, but the nature of technological advance means we have less need of manual labor, as Spidey never tired of telling us.
    So, the numbers are accurate, and meaningless, because they are based on an assumption that high participation is good and desirable, as if the nation never changes. I have also noticed a marked decrease (a good thing) in forced child labor from earlier centuries.
    See what I mean? Things change. Assumptions change.

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  565. xport September 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    A gardener can be our leader. Fools have pride and virtue. Obama gave a great speech last night and could become a great leader, his masters will dictate how it plays out.
    Do not be afraid, we control our destiny.
    Ask any dinosaur.

  566. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    “Yet he serves the Gobalists …”
    ===============
    The people of the Gobi Desert are non-white, but so what if Wilber supports them.
    Wilber is OK, for a white guy. You should support your own kind, Vlad.

  567. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    To belabor the point a bit: 20% official U6 unemployment is the new normal, soon to increase to 40% as the “normal” official U6 unemployment rate.
    Today it seems hard to believe that a president could be elected with that high a rate of unemployment, but we will have to change our assumptions about “growth” and “employment” … in keeping with an alignment with REALITY. Join Up! as JHK says this week.

  568. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    “…his masters will dictate how it plays out. ”
    ============
    Don’t be afraid. Name names. Who are Obama’s “masters”? See if JHK kicks you off for promoting conspiracy theories about nebulous, sinister “masters” without names.

  569. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    You are partly right and partly wrong. You figure out which is which.

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  570. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    Sounds like you took a Counter Initiation “up” there: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1597311324/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1597311324&linkCode=as2&tag=countercurren-20
    E was right you know. As is said “Engaging in the Deeds of the Bodhisattva” “When you caught by Yama’s messengers, what help are your dear ones: What help are your friends?”
    We all must meditate on own death everyday – ultimately becoming comfortable with dying alone even in an alley or ditch. In the end we even be able to see the people gathered around your bed. The sense of hearing lasts even to the end and beyond thus the Tibetan Book of the Dead – and the harm caused by surgeons who routinely mock their patients as they work on them. Countless “engrams” are thus engendered by doctor longshoremen or savage handlers like Rip and Co. How are they different than Yama and his henchmen? As Tom Cruise said, Only we (scientologists) have the tech to handle unconscious people.

  571. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    We all must meditate on own death everyday – ultimately becoming comfortable with dying…
    =============
    Meditation is a voluntary death. And each night we die into sleep, leaving our conscious mind behind.

  572. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    The sense of hearing lasts even to the end and beyond thus the Tibetan Book of the Dead…
    I have found this 4 CD three-hour meditation on death, based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, to be very useful for confronting your own death:
    BARDO: AWAKENING FROM THE DREAM
    http://www.bardo-meditation.com/
    You can listen to audioclips on that page.

  573. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    CORRECTION
    http://www.leben-sterben.de/cds/bardo_en/bardo_en.htm
    Audioclips link

  574. k-dog September 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    “The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter–it’s the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning”
    M. Twain
    The difference in how the reality party proceeds is a large matter– it will make the difference between success and failure.
    The basic problem facing the reality party is systemic change resistance.
    This video explains it.
    A form of analytical activism should guide the party. Classical activism is insufficient to the task and our opponents have already learned to defeat it.
    We have systemic change resistance and need to deal with it. That’s top priority.
    ? K-Dog

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  575. Jam47 September 7, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    “We must all meditate on our own death every day-ultimately becoming comfortable with dying alone even in an alley or a ditch.”
    Exactly. And one step down from actual death- meditation would be to have a human skull on prominent display in one’s bedroom or study as a daily reminder of things to come.
    Up till a couple of centuries ago, Europe’s thinking classes–some of them–used to acquire skulls for just this purpose. And because of the existence of ossuaries back then, getting hold of a nice clean human skull wasn’t difficult. Byron had one.

  576. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    Who? It begins with a J and rhythmes with Moo. Perhaps the same ones who were behind the Theosophical Society? Blavatsky hated Christianity and spoke well of the Toldoth Yesu – a medevial Mooish hate work against Christ.

  577. Radu Voda September 7, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Alas poor Yorick! There is also a visualization meditation: visualize yourself as a skeleton making the bones incandescently Bright White.
    It is said to have a purifying effect on character. And the effort to visualize bright colors in itself is valuable.

  578. Stephen Daedalus September 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    I feel your pain. None the less, he has a following who have connected with him on a spiritual/intellectual level. Maybe a new religious group in the making. What can you do.

  579. progress4spam September 7, 2012 at 10:41 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK. Thanks as always.
    Here’s my favorite part:
    “… the Republicans and Democrats are already dead. They choked to death on the toxic fumes of their own excreta. They are empty, hollow institutions animated only by the parasites that feed on and squirm over the residue of decomposing tissue within the dissolving membranes of their legitimacy.”
    -jhk-
    Yeah, no kidding.
    The fact that ANYone found the dem/repub conventions interesting is amazing, to me. I get it that SCOTUS picks are important – and would be different with Obomber vs. Mittens. But that’s a 10-40 year, slow-moving-maybe – – – that comes down to death to America by a thousand cuts
    VERSUS
    death to America by slow drowning.
    Neither choice is appealing, by design?
    ==============================
    Anyway, my somewhat-CFN inspired terraces and pond (the project I’ve been reporting here and working on for the past two weeks) are now in the dirt. They will be there as a permanent mark on the landscape for my children’s children’s children to use, ignore, or walk away from. All presuming that I can keep the whole shooting match grassed in and mulched for the winter rains-to-come – – – so that it doesn’t all end up in the creek at the bottom of the mountain, along with my house.
    —————————-
    In other news –
    CFN, probably like the open internet at large – remains a bastion of self-referential Atheists (deliberate capital A) like turkle and his Buddy Beantown – who declared His victory for us.
    What do you expect, boys, when religion is vanquished and “rationality?” rules America??
    Whatever it is – it won’t be rational.
    Not rational, as normal human beings use the term, anyway.
    =================================
    OK – I”m probably done for the week.
    Between “chinese 8m spam” and the all..seeing, all..knowing, and all..over…posting…asoka.., this place has become a nearly pointless time suck – at best.
    Still – keep up the good work, JHK.
    And some good posts from bt, E, and a couple of proponents of religion and spiritualism.
    You guys keep up the good work, too.
    Chinese? spam – go away.
    Asoka..post less.
    A lot less. Please.

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  581. progress4spam September 7, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    spiritualism?
    spirituality is probably a better term
    Who cares, anyway?
    Certainly not zhvoeh2845, jhk, or his slacker tech guy.

  582. Kyooshtik September 7, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    And each night we die into sleep, leaving our conscious mind behind.
    ==============
    Of course we CAN never, and WILL never, know what the nothingness of death is like but I don’t think our nightly sleep even comes close. Besides routine dreams, I have done some major thinking in my sleep. I once calculated all the measurements and angular cuts for a piece of furniture I planned to build and fit in a corner. And when I awoke I wrote it all down and eventually built the piece with those very measurements and angles.
    Now, I’ll tell you what I think DOES comes closer to the nothingness of death than anything else you will ever experience… when they put you under for a colonoscopy. I’ve had three of these done and each time the same thing happened. They had a shunt installed in my arm. The anesthesiologist said when you’re ready I’ll turn a valve on this IV allowing the anesthetic into your arm. You’ll feel a cold sensation and I’ll ask you to count backward from 100. I said let’s do it.
    I got to 97 and I’m laying there wondering what’s up with these people. A nurse walks by and I hail her and ask when’s the Doc going to do the procedure. She says, Oh, you’re all done and we were just waiting for you to wake up. I said “your shittin me!”
    Let me tell ya, THAT was nothingness.

  583. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Oh, you’re all done and we were just waiting for you to wake up. I said “your shittin me!” Let me tell ya, THAT was nothingness.
    That’s what I’m talking about and it happens in deep dreamless sleep a few minutes every night. We die every night.
    Sure, there may be hours of thinking, tossing, turning, planning, dreaming, restless sleep, light sleep, etc.
    But for a few minutes every night we enter a deep dreamless sleep… we die. Nothingness.
    And we don’t seem to fear it all that much, even though there is no guarantee at all that we will awaken again when we do go into deep sleep.

  584. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    “your shittin me!”
    ============
    The word “your” is a possessive pronoun. What you should have written is “you’re”
    The work shittin should have an apostrophe to replace the missing g at the end.

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  585. asoka.. September 7, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    CORRECTION
    The WORD shittin should have an apostrophe to replace the missing g at the end.

  586. Stephen Daedalus September 7, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    There are many who ‘connect’ with people and their feelings. They can range from religious to politicians or gamblers to drug dealers and ‘sex workers.’ Question is how much you will fall for.

  587. Buck Stud September 8, 2012 at 1:16 am #

    Good article about the Father of American Neo Gothic – completely ignored and forgotten by choice. The architect of St John the Divine in NY.

    Neo Gothic? There’s only one Gothic and that is the true Gothic. Who makes that claim? John Ruskin, that’s who. No human exists today (or in he distant past; certainly not an architect designing “Neo-Gothic” architecture) understands Gothic art and architecture like John Ruskin and that’s a fact. So read the man:

    This statue, then, marks the culminating point of Gothic art, because,
    up to this time, the eyes of its designers had been steadily fixed on natural truth–they had been advancing from flower to flower, from form
    to form, from face to face,–gaining perpetually in knowledge and veracity–therefore, perpetually in power and in grace. But at this point a fatal change came over their aim. From the statue they now began to turn the attention chiefly to the niche of the statue, and from the floral ornament to the mouldings that enclosed the floral ornament. The first result of this was, however, though not the grandest, yet the most finished of northern genius. You have, in the earlier Gothic, less wonderful construction, less careful masonry, far less expression of harmony of parts in the balance of the building. Earlier work always has more or less of the character of a good solid wall with irregular holes in it, well carved wherever there is room. But the last phase of good Gothic has no room to spare; it rises as
    high as it can on narrowest foundation, stands in perfect strength with the least possible substance in its bars; connects niche with niche,
    and line with line, in an exquisite harmony, from which no stone can be removed, and to which you can add not a pinnacle; and yet introduces in
    rich, though now more calculated profusion, the living element of its sculpture: sculpture in the quatrefoils–sculpture in the brackets- sculpture in the gargoyles–sculpture in the niches–sculpture in the ridges and hollows of its mouldings,–not a shadow without meaning, and
    not a light without life. [Footnote: The two _transepts_ of Rouen Cathedral illustrate this style. There are plenty of photographs of
    them. I take this opportunity of repeating what I have several times before stated, for the sake of travellers, that St. Ouen, impressive as
    it is, is entirely inferior to the transepts of Rouen Cathedral.] But with this very perfection of his work came the unhappy pride of the
    builder in what he had done. As long as he had been merely raising clumsy walls and carving them like a child, in waywardness of fancy,
    his delight was in the things he thought of as he carved; but when he had once reached this pitch of constructive science, he began to think
    only how cleverly he could put the stones together. The question was not now with him, What can I represent? but, How high can I build–how
    wonderfully can I hang this arch in air, or weave this tracery across the clouds? And the catastrophe was instant and irrevocable.
    Architecture became in France a mere web of waving lines,–in England a mere grating of perpendicular ones. Redundance was substituted for
    invention, and geometry for passion; tho Gothic art became a mere expression of wanton expenditure, and vulgar mathematics; and was swept
    away, as it then deserved to be swept away, by the severer pride, and purer learning, of the schools founded on classical traditions.
    You cannot now fail to see, how, throughout the history of this wonderful art–from its earliest dawn in Lombardy to its last catastrophe in France and England–sculpture, founded on love of
    nature, was the talisman of its existence; wherever sculpture was practised, architecture arose–wherever that was neglected, architecture expired; and, believe me, all you students who love this mediaeval art, there is no hope of your ever doing any good with it, but on this everlasting principle. Your patriotic associations with it are of no use; your romantic associations with it–either of chivalry
    or religion–are of no use; they are worse than useless, they are false. Gothic is not an art for knights and nobles; it is an art for
    the people: it is not an art for churches or sanctuaries; it is an art for houses and homes: it is not an art for England only, but an art for
    the world: above all, it is not an art of form or tradition only, but an art of vital practice and perpetual renewal. And whosoever pleads
    for it as an ancient or a formal thing, and tries to teach it you as an ecclesiastical tradition or a geometrical science, knows nothing of its
    essence, less than nothing of its power.

  588. Buck Stud September 8, 2012 at 1:51 am #

    Below is a link to the church Vlad referenced:
    http://wirednewyork.com/images/churches/st-john-the-divine/st_john_divine_21apr02.jpg
    Good Gothic carving is, first and foremost, an expression of the universal rhythm of life: expansion and contraction. Or in terms of three dimensional sculpture, undulations of concavity and convexity that form the contours that ultimately contain them.
    The carvings in the link, however, are formed from the outside in, as opposed to the inside out and the evidence is in the overly linear and flat – “liney” – treatment of the forms, especially in the drapery. They’re not even close to the greatest examples of Gothic sculpture and the reason has a lot less to do with technical facility as it does with spirit of execution.

  589. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 2:04 am #

    HUH???
    ‘like doctors and lawyers. These are skilled profession where offshoring is not possible.’
    Turkle, I have recounted the sorry tale of ECFMG several times here.
    It employs 100? 300? people. [El Segundo and elsewhere]
    All it does is help Indian MDs get their US license
    and settle in.
    Have you been to a Med School or Hospital and seen who are the doctors nowadays?

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  590. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    ‘And BTW, Americans expect a standard of living that is far too high when compared with the rest of the planet.’
    What do you use for a brain?
    Who invented the chip, pc, car, airplane, litebulb?
    Check the mudhuts in Somalia and ask what they have invented.

  591. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 2:11 am #

    hahahah..
    You led me to a point, then threw a curveball with the last line.

  592. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 2:35 am #

    Strong, prolonged, solution resistance clearly exists. There must be an invisible social structure that is the fundamental cause of the phenomenon.

  593. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 3:02 am #

    We must find the system’s high leverage points and push.

  594. Radu Voda September 8, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    It’s even worse/better than that: we die every breath. There is scarcely any duration at all. How long is an instant? A dharma moment? Stop thinking of yourself as the noun Asoka and more as the verb Asokaing. The wave instead of the particle.
    And since you are a process and not just a person, place or thing – you can change: actively, not just passively with the corruption of time.

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  595. Radu Voda September 8, 2012 at 4:00 am #

    Careful – that kind of devotion to Ruskin lead to the beginings of the New World Order. Men like Cecil Rhodes were so inspired by him that they vowed to spread Anglo Saxon Culture through out the world. Now the same movement is wiping us out – all with the best of intentions no doubt.
    I wont argue about St John the Divine not being top notch. I don’t have the expertise. Why don’t you post on Counter Currents? I’m sure Mr O’Meara would have something to say back to you. It might be an informative discussion.

  596. ozone September 8, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    K-D,
    A [miniscule] hope for truth amid a heap of clever lies. This article goes right to the pith of JHK’s criticism of ‘Murkin political status quo.
    “With a particularly nasty bit of deceit Mr. Hayden, former radical, puts forward a liberal canard when he alludes to poll results that show zero percent support for Mitt Romney among African Americans as evidence of stealth racism amongst Barack Obama’s former supporters turned critics. What this statement conflates, in true Nixonian fashion, is criticism of Barack Obama with support for Mitt Romney. A quick speculation is that support for Mitt Romney amongst Barack Obama’s former supporters turned critics is also zero percent. Those with whom I’ve spoken favor a more radical rethinking of the entire political economy.” -Rob Urie
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32391.htm
    BTW, I would suggest to you [personally] that the most voluminous posters on this blog are disseminators of clever lies (and in some cases, unadulterated bullshit) in the service of corrupt and enslaving ideals that have, at their endpoint, the enhancement of the purveyor and their beloved masters at the expense of all others that do not believe exactly as they do. To me, that is the essence of politically-veiled evil.
    And so, we ask ourselves, is it really desirable to know truth, when to gain it we must lose all else but our very lives? It looks to be more and more that way with every passing day that business as usual is carried on. The pressure is building faster than ideas for management can be imagined.
    We can be assured, that when all that defines a life of ease and materialistic avarice is stripped away, raw truth will trump the clever lie by default. (Perhaps this is subconscious knowledge and is the reason for the alarming preponderance of delusion and wishful and stunningly magical thinking.)

  597. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Facing death has nothing to do with “connecting with feelings”
    You can refuse to connect with the feelings of others, but you cannot avoid confronting your own death. You are going to die, like it or not. Join up! It is REALITY.

  598. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Viewed from that perspective, death does not exist. The process of death and life are ongoing, second to second.

  599. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Why don’t you post on Counter Currents? I’m sure Mr O’Meara would have something to say back to you.
    =============
    We get enough of Counter Currents here, through your regurgitation of Mr. O’Meara.

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  600. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    I would suggest to you [personally] that the most voluminous posters on this blog are disseminators of clever lies (and in some cases, unadulterated bullshit) in the service of corrupt and enslaving ideals that have, at their endpoint, the enhancement of the purveyor and their beloved masters at the expense of all others that do not believe exactly as they do. To me, that is the essence of politically-veiled evil.

    I would suggest to you a diagnosis of paranoia.
    “clever lies”
    “unadulterated bullshit”
    “corrupt and enslaving ideals”
    “politically-veiled evil”
    You make a good parrot.
    Paranoid parrots are the worst kind.

  601. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    Oh, I forgot this gem:
    “beloved masters”
    Always unnamed. They must live in the shadows, these “beloved masters.”
    Paranoid parrot conspiracy theorist chickenshit cowards won’t come right out and name names. It is always shadowy insinuation. Worthy of Joe McCarthy.

  602. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    I’m waiting for XXX5 to post again, to inspire me to increase my level of posting to CFN. Bring it on!
    IT IT CRUNCH TIME, XXX5. TELL US HOW THE EURO IS ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE, MAYBE TOMORROW, OR THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW. TELL US AGAIN HOW THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS DISAPPEARED! HOW WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC DEPRESSION, BUT NOBODY BUT YOU REALIZES IT. PARANOID IDIOTS.
    29 consecutive months of private sector manufacturing job increases be damned.
    Hint: in a depression there are consecutive months of job losses, not increases (however small the increases may be, they are positive gains, not losses)

  603. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    Could you be more consistent please. Try and keep the personalities straight. The impaler calls Ozone a parrot not you. Keep the personalities straight, a post-it note on your screen might help you tell who you are pretending to be.

  604. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Long article, I’m halfway through it and there is something i want to echo.
    First, it is unfortunate that Barack Obama didn’t know this history as he was building out his domestic spying apparatus, expanding Presidential power to assassinate citizens without evidence or trial, executing secret drone wars on multiple continents,
    It would be nice it that were exaggeration and hyperbole but it’s not.

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  605. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Barack Obama can rot in hell for eternity for the violence coordinated against us by the White House.

    But he is such a loving father?
    NOT !
    I confirm:

    A quick speculation is that support for Mitt Romney amongst Barack Obama’s former supporters turned critics is also zero percent. Those with whom I’ve spoken favor a more radical rethinking of the entire political economy.

    And Obama is not totally incompetent after all:

    The one area where he consistently delivered results was in keeping the ruling class out of prison and extremely well fed.

    John Corzine would be one of those.
    Not that John is really all that well off, do you realize that if John gave every man woman and child in the country a dollar he would go broke.

  606. Rhino September 8, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    BTW, I would suggest to you [personally] that the most voluminous posters on this blog are disseminators of clever lies (and in some cases, unadulterated bullshit) – Ozone
    Clever Lies? Lies maybe, but man, I dunno about “clever”. Most of it doesn’t stand up to a minute’s worth of scrutiny. But as for unadulterated bullshit I’m with you there.
    Asoka suggests a diagnosis of paranoia. He says you’re a paranoid parrot. But if you think the fix is in, you’re right, the fix is in. The question is in whose favor. Well, follow the money and that tells you.
    The “fix” doesn’t have to be explicit. It can be implicit. How so? It can be in the heavy hitters in the financial sector all jumping into the subprime mortgage market, all of them maintaining the fiction that securities backed by this financial sludge is triple A rated while knowing privately and never saying out loud that the music would stop and that there would be catastrophic failures down the road (which there were).
    The “fix” can be in the financial elite quietly maintaining the fiction that disastrous levels of household debt is all ok because it’s offset by steadily and rapidly rising home prices all the while knowing that said home prices were bound to crash and that the debt was in any reasonable and foreseeable case unrepayable (which is how it was).
    The “fix” can be in the ruling class based in Washington and New York implicitly agreeing that the mind boggling mendacity and fraud underpinning the financial system as it is will go unprosecuted. How can this be? What possible justification is there? Well, I’ll tell you, they’ll say that these crimes are so awfully gosh darned complex and the evidence so vaporous that the justice system has no hope of marshalling the personnel and resources to go after it. And no jury has any hope of understanding it. Convenient wouldn’t you say?
    I agree with Urie, that the roots of the fiasco we’re in go deep into prior administrations. How could people like Brooksley Born have been shut down? But what are fact and logic and reasonable people behaving reasonably against the combined monetary might of Wall Street banks and their sharks in Washington. Was Born right? Damn right whe was. What did it matter?
    It appears that Assoka called you a chicken shit coward. Maybe he thought you were talking about him given the vehemence of his reaction. You must have touched a nerve. Good shooting.

  607. XXX5 September 8, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    SJM said:
    Inspite of his baldness, chicks dig him. When I saw him back around 2000, he was going through his “flavor of the month” phase with nubile 20-somethings. He has a sense of style, lifts weights, and he’s very tall and very smart.
    **************************************************************
    Oh, no!! I hate to lump you in with just about the entire feminine side of the species, SJM, but your post was basically “I like him because he is CHARMING”. The New Age spiritual world has ALWAYS been full of Ken Wilbers who prey on young, gullible chicks, have a convoluted metaphysic full of spiritual “keywords”, and who have such a God complex that they can abandon standards of vulgarity in public and get away with it.
    I thought this guy was a scumbag when I scanned his first book and promptly put it down. It is vital that Americans start developing a better sense of critical thinking so that guys like this and their “theories” get exactly the air time they deserve i.e., **NONE**. SJM, being charming is precisely the nature of the charlatan. The Ken Wilbers of the world will never change the daily reality of people except to extract money from their pockets or favors from their vaginas.
    Don’t be another victim of these cheesy mesmerizers.
    E.

  608. XXX5 September 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Assoul said:
    That’s what I’m talking about and it happens in deep dreamless sleep a few minutes every night. We die every night.
    **************************************************************
    I love the way that pseudo-spiritualists throw out sentences like this with a certain finality. Your speech, Assoul, is just full of this kind of baloney. You do NOT “die every night”. Even in the deepest, most dreamless, stage 4 delta sleep, the activity level in the brain is abundant and, in no way, resembles “death”.
    Death is the cessation of all neural activity. If you are “brain dead” in a hospital, your relatives will pull the plug. If you are in stage 4 sleep, they will NOT pull the plug. Any questions?
    You are a hilarious, New Age moron who, like their ilk, make such pronunciations about the nature of the body or the soul that are false on their face but because you have the chutzpah to talk nonsense, we are supposed to make the FALSE into the TRUE by dint of the sheer power of the projection of your ego.
    You are a charlatan and have never been anything else. That’s why your dominance of this website is a tragedy that hangs over it like a GHOUL.
    E.

  609. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    I’ll be healthy when I take office, I took a bike ride yesterday. Riding through a local neighborhood I look up over a row of houses next to the street I was on and I there saw my first drone in person.
    All white and about ten feet long with a large tail the thing was totally silent. It floated over the roofs of about 10 houses going south then it crossed the street and came back going north along the houses on the other side of the street.
    Over a couple homes it started flying real slow and then it sped up and eventually disappeared in the sunset.
    Total speculation but Boeing has buildings in the area and there is a small airport where new 737’s fly out from about a mile away.
    I wonder if this was a prototype.
    As is, this one was not a dog killer but it could definitely keep track of large crowds and the cameras can take nice pictures for the NSA.
    Tax dollars at work&8253#;

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  610. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Oops,
    Tax dollars at work‽

  611. Jam47 September 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    An anesthetized brain results in an absence of consciousness, therefore a dead brain will produce the same result. Is this the reasoning behind your belief that the post-death state is a state of nothingness? If it is, what we have here is an unwarranted conclusion, an end to which analogical arguments often take us.
    A brain deprived of consciousness by an anesthetic is still alive. A brain that has died is, obviously, without life. We therefore cannot know the consequences of the second state (dead brain) from the consequences of the first (anesthetized brain), for each state is distinct from the other. Death as nothingness? Possibly. But anesthesia doesn’t bear on the matter.
    Many people can push aside the prospect of death, push it aside and never think abut it. Some of us cannot, especially those of use who find the religions answers to death problem (resurrection, reincarnation, etc) nonsensical. I suspect that there are many people who would be greatly relieved to discover for certain that to enter the death state was to enter into nothingness. But if death consist of something rather than nothing–and it may–that something might be so peculiar as to be unpleasant, really unpleasant.

  612. XXX5 September 8, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Vlad said:
    In other words, I’m with SJ – he’s very smart – and influential, knows the Clintons etc. And thus my bitterness at my ex-acharya for what he wont acknowledge or care about – Race. I haven’t read him in years, but he helped me alot.
    **************************************************************
    Oh, no, another person I thought rational has a “guru”. Next thing you’ll be telling us that Eckhart Tolle is a great man. Sigh … is this what’s left of CFN??
    E.

  613. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Jon Corzine’s Advice to Barack Obama
    I think this relates to the concept of the big lie. A lie so “big” that no one would believe someone could have the impudence to distort the truth so boldly.
    In delivering the big lie a suit is always a good idea.

  614. XXX5 September 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Vlad said:
    It’s even worse/better than that: we die every breath. There is scarcely any duration at all. How long is an instant? A dharma moment? Stop thinking of yourself as the noun Asoka and more as the verb Asokaing. The wave instead of the particle.
    **************************************************************
    This resembles the finality with which Asoka spews balderdash. We don’t “die” in stage 4 sleep. We also don’t “die every breath”. And what this has to do with wave-particle duality is beyond me. I love the way you New Agers mix in a soupcon of quantum physics which is usually a non-sequitur to the foregoing line of chatter.
    Are there any real SCIENTISTS left on CFN besides ME?? The essence of your “thinking” here is that after the breath is concluded there is some “moment” of “scarcely any duration at all” and, therefore, this is a moment of DEATH.
    Any more pseudo-spiritualists want to weigh in with their own private definition of a word which, apparently, the dullest people seem to know more rightly than these metaphysicians??
    Vlad, a conservative thinker should be way better grounded in reality than this, and way less egotistical about creating private definitions for words in common parlance that have fairly specific definitions, both anatomically and sociologically.
    Who’s left that has any sense on this site … maybe Ozone and Q.??
    E.

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  615. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    Who’s left that has any sense on this site … maybe Ozone and Q.??
    ===========
    Turkle, MuddMike, Buck Stud, and many others still have sense. You can all keep your senses. I prefer to mix my sense with nonsense.

  616. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    Obama knows about fear and terror but he doesn’t seem to know about blowback!
    Yemen Drone War Intensifies
    To some here this doesn’t matter I know. I’m not posting this for them, they are a lost cause. But to the other humans who know a dogs love I implore.
    Let’s stop killing brown people.

  617. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Oh, no, another person I thought rational has a “guru”.
    ===========
    XXX5, the word “guru” is Sanskrit for teacher.
    The etymology of guru is: “Gu” means “darkness of ignorance” and “Ru” means “one who removes”. So a guru is “one who dispels darkness of ignorance” kind of like the work you did in the community college, removing student ignorance little by little.
    You were Teacher of the Year, right Guru XXX5?

  618. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Let’s stop killing brown people.
    ================
    Let’s stop killing people, period.
    Let’s dismantle the armed forces and have all those trained killers do something productive.
    All they do is train and train and train. To do what? To kill other people and destroy things.
    Abolish the military!

  619. San Jose Mom 51 September 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Wilber has said time and time again that he is not a guru, so stop calling him a guru. He knows he has flaws that would not make him a good teacher(his big ego, specifically).
    He is a hermit. He vary rarely does public events. The only way he’ll get rich is if people buy his books. If you don’t like him, don’t buy his books.

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  620. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Thanks for coming out to play today, XXX5.
    You ask: “Are there any real SCIENTISTS left on CFN besides ME??”
    I have desribed the essentials of the scientific method (instrumental injunction, direct data apprehension, and communal confirmation) which qualifies me as a scientist. That is why I harp on PEER-REVIEWED ACADEMIC LITERATURE, instead of anonymous sources like Wikipedia.
    How are you defining scientist to define yourself as a scientist?

  621. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    CORRECTION
    I have described the essential elements of the scientific method…

  622. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    “‘Get out the vote’ is a plea for continuance, certainly not a plea for a radical party, meaning not a real plea for change. An individual longing for change within the current system, i.e., no revolution, faces a choice of two infinitesimals. Voting for a radical, or withholding the vote. The wisest choice may be, learning from the Soviet experience, that it is best not to validate the system by participating in it.”
    So don’t vote, but if you must, vote ✔K-dog.
    Full Quote

  623. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    SJMom, you are arguing with people who dismiss Wilber without having read (much less understood) his oeuvre.
    It’s really not worth the effort, SJMom.
    It is like arguing algebra with someone who knows no math.
    Or like discussing Shakespeare with someone who does not know how to read.
    Without having engaged in the instrumental injunction (i.e., learn math, read Shakespeare) they are not even qualified to comment.

  624. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Currently we are only killing brown people and dragging in others and disparaging the military in general confuses and detracts from the issue at hand.
    But that’s exactly what you want to do. Silly me.

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  625. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    But that’s exactly what you want to do. Silly me.
    =============
    You have no idea what I “want to do.” You are making assumptions again.
    I thought you were interested in radical solutions.
    Radical means going the the root. The root of the problem in killing brown people is that we spend Billions of Dollars to train killers. Stop the funding and training of killers and brown people can live.

  626. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    Stop the funding and training of killers and brown people can live.
    That includes stopping the funding of weapons systems, all weapons from firearms to drones, and stop the training of people who control the drones from safe bunkers in the USA. Stop the whole military machine.

  627. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    disparaging the military in general confuses and detracts from the issue at hand.
    ==================
    K-Dog, in lock step with Democrats and Republicans.
    Thank the killers for their service, right K-Dog? Don’t disparage anyone. Heavens no.
    Vote Green Party.
    The Green Party is the ONLY political party with NONVIOLENCE in its platform and NONVIOLENCE as one of its ten core values.
    The K-Dog party does not.

  628. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    We also don’t “die every breath”.
    ===============
    Part of us does. Cells are dying all the time, just as cells are being created all the time.
    XXX5, have you heard of Dr. Leonard Hayflick? (see his article in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 2007 Apr;1100:1-13) titled
    Biological aging is no longer an unsolved problem.
    Hayflick performed his experiments using human cells grown in a culture, and he managed to pull back the curtain on an ancient process that essentially prevents immortality. The process of cellular death exists within our genetic code.
    The nucleus of a diploid cell (a cell with two sets of chromosomes) is comprised of DNA information contributed by each of an organism’s parents. Since the key to the Hayflick limit is found in the cell’s nucleus, we are basically programmed to die.
    You are defining death as “brain death” and that is perfectly acceptable. But that is not the only dying that is going on. As Vlad states, dying is happening with each breath we take.

  629. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    CORRECTION
    As Vlad states, DEATH is happening with each breath we take.

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  630. Kyooshtik September 8, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    But if death consist of something rather than nothing…
    ============
    In my juvenile naivete I think of death as the light of a candle blown out. But if I’m wrong and, lets say, there is reincarnation, I want to come back as Eric Clapton…or David Foster Wallace without the depression.

  631. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    When it comes to death we all have a juvenile naivete. But I hope to come back, so I can continue to correct Wikipedia articles, and contribute to CFN. I have not done nearly enough in this lifetime.

  632. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    When all of the cells created in the human body before birth (and all of the cells these cells produce) are multiplied by the average time it takes for cells to reach the end of their lives, you get roughly 120 years.
    This is the ultimate Hayflick limit — the maximum number of years that a human can possibly live.
    What’s strange is that the Biblical book of Genesis (6:3) explicitly states that humankind’s days “shall be one hundred years and twenty.”
    Then, the Biblical characters started eating junk food, and the life span was later amended in Psalms 90:10, which says we can live to age 70; 80 years at the most.
    I guess, even back then, they had unhealthy fast food.

  633. muddmike September 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    The shortening of telomeres that lead to the inability of cells to divide may be useful. The defeating of cell death would lead to continued copying of errors in the DNA that build up every day. It is though that the errors would eventually lead to cancers throughout the body.
    Another recent advance in genetics if the project known as ENCODE. Genes, which are coded to produce proteins are only about 5% or less of the DNA. The rest is critical for gene expression, and other functions. Thus just finding genes for intelligence may not be the most critical thing for defining people. What was formerly known as “Junk DNA” is definitely not! This DNA may have more to do with the phenotype than the genes.
    http://www.medpagetoday.com/LabNotes/LabNotes/34637

  634. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Death is the cessation of all neural activity. If you are “brain dead” in a hospital, your relatives will pull the plug. If you are in stage 4 sleep, they will NOT pull the plug. Any questions?
    Yes, I have a few questions. I hope you can enlighten me.
    What criteria would you use, XXX5, to determine the minimally acceptable observation period to ensure that neurologic functions have ceased irreversibly?
    Is apneic oxygenation diffusion to determine apnea safe? What criteria would you use, XXX5, to determine the comparative safety of techniques used for apnea testing?
    What criteria would you use, XXX5, to determine if newer ancillary tests accurately confirm the cessation of function of the entire brain.
    Complex-spontaneous motor movements may occur in patients who are brain dead. What would you suggest as the most ethical way to proceed in those cases?
    Triggering of the ventilator may also occur in patients who are brain dead. Are these patients dead or alive? How would you recommend determining if the triggering of the ventilator is a false-positive?

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  635. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    The shortening of telomeres that lead to the inability of cells to divide may be useful.
    ==================
    As I’m sure you already know, Mike, telomerase is activated in embryonic cell lines and the telomere length is maintained at a constant level. Therefore, these cells have an unlimited fission potential.
    Somatic cells are usually characterized by the absence of telomerase activity. Telomere shortening leads to the attainment of the Hayflick limit, the transition of cells to a state of senescence.
    The cells subsequently enter a state of crisis, accompanied by massive cell death. The surviving cells become cancer cells, which are capable both of dividing indefinitely and maintaining telomere length (usually with the aid of telomerase).
    Telomere lengthening and other functions of telomerase

  636. Buck Stud September 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    Sometimes I sense that you ‘know the secret sign’ to echo a line from the great Patrick Kavanagh’s ” Ragland Road”. Thus, I want to include you in the Brotherhood of Artists despite your vehement racism and my overall revulsion of your general message. Because “how” the story or assertion is stated is often more compelling than the narrative being told. But now we’re veering into the territory of formalism, a land that you’ve previously declared vacuous and barren. So, you have disqualified yourself.
    As far as Ruskin, he really grasps the Gothic. And are you familiar with the wood carved(almost always out of Oak) Misericords? :

    In the choir, often the darkest part of the building, lies a treasury of Medieval art and social history which amply repays detailed study. The ideas expressed are mostly secular, and the carvings are cameos of rustic life, activities, customs, humour and beliefs from the early 13th century onwards. In what Art Gallery would one find scenes of Medieval life so naively and beautifully carved as these?

    http://content.yellowgrey.com/ms/a_handbook_of_medieval_misericords.php
    And an image:
    http://www.britainexpress.com/images/attractions/editor/churches/Boston-Stump-4321.jpg

  637. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    Any questions? –XXX5, setting himself up as guru.
    =================
    Yes, guru, I have a few questions. I hope you can enlighten me.

  638. Kyooshtik September 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    I prefer to mix my sense with nonsense.
    ============
    Yeah, we’ve noticed, but does it have to be so MUCH?

  639. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    Thank you for confirming the truth of my statement.
    The answer to your question is: No, it doesn’t have to be. But if it is my pleasure, and no harm is being done, why not?
    Anyone who goes to the trouble to log onto a network, type in a URL, and access the weekly JHK post, is smart enough to discern sense from nonsense; and is probably also smart enough to know how to scroll past my posts, without bothering to read or respond to them.
    Oddly, you are basically complaining about your own behavior: you believe I post nonsense, yet you continue to read and respond to it. Strange. It seems foolish and inconsistent, as if you are large and contain hobgoblins.
    I do thank you for the time you devote to my posts, and for responding to them. I will try to include some grammatical errors from time to time to keep you on your toes.

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  640. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    Thus, I want to include you in the Brotherhood of Artists…
    ……….
    But now we’re veering into the territory of formalism, a land that you’ve previously declared vacuous and barren. So, you have disqualified yourself. –Buck Stud to Vlad
    ==================
    So, is he in or out of the Brotherhood of Artists?
    What are the entrance requirements again?

  641. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    That’s very non-modern-‘Murkin of you (quite refreshing).
    Thank you for the complement. I’ve given this some thought and sadly I fear you’re right. To some (Europeans perhaps?) the thought of having someone else pick your opinions and do your thinking for you brings terror to their hearts. I know it does mine. I get terrified and even sweat, something very hard for a dog to do.
    But Americans in general I think may be different.
    Some years ago I discovered that homeowners dues were being perverted from their rightful use as ground maintenance funds and to pay for the annual neighborhood picnic to fund a political PAC. Ms Dog and I went door to door to petition our homeowners board to stop doing this.
    The petition got zero interest. Nobody in my neighborhood saw anything wrong with what the board was doing. One woman even said “we pay people to make decisions so we don’t have to be bothered“.
    That was the last door I knocked on.
    The neighborhood probably leans republican and is somewhat affluent.
    I’m not talking about making a donation to the nature conservancy or anything like that. The issue had to do with city incorporation and was on the upcoming ballot. It was a hot button and while that’s true my objection was on principle.
    I knew T.V. rewired your brain and reduced attention span but I never realized till right now how bad the problem was.
    Like an obese fat blob who could with effort become fit some care no more for the cultivation of the mind and the development of the soul than a couch potato cares to participate in the sport it watches.
    Gurus, self help and Jaysus, anything but personal responsibility.

  642. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    I think that all readers of this blog can safely conclude that Asoka is an atheist. Given the stated level of expertise with so many things; if he/she/it does believe in a god(s), when does he/she/it find the time to perform the required rituals to stay in a state of grace. I would say that being a Muslim is out of the question.

  643. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    Talk about ASSumming.
    ***************************************************
    “The Green Party is the ONLY political party with NONVIOLENCE in its platform and NONVIOLENCE as one of its ten core values.
    The K-Dog party does not.

    ***************************************************
    If that dignified a response I’d give it one but it doesn’t.

  644. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    Got to thinking:
    That time I started the petition but I’ve just realized that all the petitions I’ve ever signed in my life never amounted to anything.
    When was the last time a ‘petition’ ever resulted in meaningful change?
    Can anyone tell me? I’m part hound and all ears.

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  645. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    That depends. Do you have any “riders” attached to your petition? If I sign it am I also agreeing to a “Right to Poop Spontaneously” clause?

  646. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

    No nothing but the straight poop.

  647. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    When it comes to political parties, I’m in Thomas Jefferson’s camp. A dog should have to stand on his own four feet (a dog that stands on two is obviously brainwashed). They create a divisive environment. We need to pull together now probably more than we ever have. I’m not confident that this can be done in the USA anymore. Too many conflicting cultures.

  648. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    According to this I should be doing more of this.
    &#: Obama (same old shit with more stink)
    &#: Romney (new poop with an even worse smell)
    &#: K-Dog (new poop that’s fresh and refreshing)
    Ok, refreshing is taking it too far.

  649. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    According to this I should be doing more of this.
    &#9744: Obama (same old shit with more stink)
    &#9744: Romney (new poop with an even worse smell)
    &#10004: K-Dog (new poop that’s fresh and refreshing)
    Ok, refreshing is taking it too far.
    That’s better

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  650. San Jose Mom 51 September 8, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    I had a weird experience yesterday picking up my daughter and her girlfriends from high school. I was about to make a u-turn in front of the school and this 30-ish crazy woman (with a bottle in a bag) started crazily ranting at this poor Sihk gentleman who was also picking his kids up from school. I was feeling terrible for him–especially in light of the recent attack on the Sihk temple in Wisconsin. Then she tried to kick his car! So I rolled down the window, and screamed, “Knock it off lady!” She kept kicking and ranting so I yelled again and honked my horn.
    She then staggered across the street.
    Lots of hostility in the air these days.

  651. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    It’s NOT better. This is a really bad analogy. In effect you are saying that we have a choice between three different types of SHIT.

  652. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    You should see the fights that break out over dumpsters in the affluent parts of LA.

  653. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    SIKH
    Go to TakiMag, read Kathy’s piece on the Canadian Sikhs.

  654. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    No, mine smells good but refreshing is beyond good. That’s toooo much magic.

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  655. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    Taki’s Magazine –
    Making Us Sikh. by Kathy Shaidle.
    American media coverage of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting often included primers …….

  656. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    I think that all readers of this blog can safely conclude that Asoka is an atheist.
    Xhalor, I have admitted that I am an atheist. Specifically, a Hoosier-born Muslim atheist.
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)
    This means there is only one Essential Being to the exclusion of any other. The oneness of Allah means that this unity is the only really existing being. The spiritual journey is a journey of the human being as the illusory being to the stage where he may not see anything but this Oneness.
    Xhalor, I say to you:
    Assalaamu alaikum!

  657. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III September 8, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    K-dog’s trying to tell us that his shit don’t stink.

  658. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    We have a very large Sihk temple about ten miles away. It’s presence prompted me to find out a bit about them.
    “A way of life and philosophy well ahead of its time when it was founded over 500 years ago, The Sikh religion today has a following of over 20 million people worldwide. Sikhism preaches a message of devotion and remembrance of God at all times, truthful living, equality of mankind, social justice and denounces superstitions and blind rituals.
    Sikhism preaches that people of different races, religions, or sex are all equal in the eyes of God. It teaches the full equality of men and women. Women can participate in any religious function or perform any Sikh ceremony or lead the congregation in prayer.”
    Apparently the woman was pissed because she prefers subjugation? Who the ‘F’ knows.
    Lots of hostility out there yes, and most of it is misdirected.

  659. xhalor September 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    “…a Hoosier-born Muslim atheist.”
    There’s fucked up.
    And then there’s REALLY fucked up.

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  660. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III
    With a name like that we sure know yours does not.
    From a relative point of view what I say is quite true. Compare to Quobama and Romneys stench I smell like a bunch of roses.
    ?: Obama (same old shit with more stink)
    ?: Romney (new poop with an even worse smell)
    ?: K-Dog (a new fresh and refreshing fragrance)

  661. asoka,, September 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    My shit don’t stink neither; and here’s some more of it…
    Xhalor, I have admitted that I am an atheist. Specifically, a Hoosier-born Muslim atheist.
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)
    This means there is only one Essential Being to the exclusion of any other. The oneness of Allah means that this unity is the only really existing being. The spiritual journey is a journey of the human being as the illusory being to the stage where he may not see anything but this Oneness.
    Xhalor, I say to you:
    Assalaamu alaikum!

  662. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Romney’s

  663. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III September 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    I’ll have to look for one of those on youtube. Is that where you saw it?
    Thad

  664. muddmike September 8, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    anti,
    Ah yes, because a handful of Sihks did something evil, then ALL Sikhs must be evil. What brilliant logic!
    Of course all religions are evil. At the following site is a list of all of the evil mass murders done by religious people, and atheists.
    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html#.UEvYWK6jjWI

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  665. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Someone has commandeered my handle! Note the commas after my name.
    Someone is impersonating Asoka!
    What fun!
    As Mao said: Let a thousand Asokas bloom!
    http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/ashoka.html

  666. San Jose Mom 51 September 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    Anti soak,
    Get your act together and try to form sentences that make sense.
    Jen
    P.S. Your title is now, “Wizard of Word Salads.”

  667. DeeJones September 8, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Sigh, not much has changed here, oh, flad has changed his name to radish vodka.
    Same old same old thing.
    Oh well.
    Dee

  668. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    EXTRA MILITARY BENEFIT
    A plume of toxic jet fuel, some of the 24 million gallons the Air Force admits to spilling over the years at Kirtland AFB (in the center of Albuquerque) is now nearing three major deep water wells that produce a substantial part of the city’s water.
    [sarcasm on]
    Let’s build a bigger, stronger military and poison all of our cities with toxic waste. Let’s build a bigger, stronger military to use up all our existing petroleum stocks in training exercises. [sarcasm off]

  669. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    670th!
    Since I stopped posting so much each week (thanks to Iona!), we never get to 1,000 posts anymore.

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  670. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    Tisk Tisk Asoka, tisktisk.
    Those good ole days of yr 100s of posts.
    How you must miss them.

  671. anti soak September 8, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    Did you read the article?
    Its point is ‘moving militant Sikhs from Punjab to Christian countries is beyond stupid.
    As usual, you missed the point and did yr ‘lemming left’, ‘diversity is sacred’ move.
    Again, Did you read the article?

  672. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    IMMIGRANTS BECOME CITIZENS IN BERKSHIRE COUNTY
    Governor Deval Patrick congratulated 22 new US citizens at the Norman Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge on Saturday, at the first naturalization ceremony held in Berkshire County in a decade, a spokeswoman said. The new citizens, who come from 16 countries, took the oath in front of Rockwell’s famous “Four Freedoms” paintings.
    WELCOME THEM!
    OPEN YOUR DOORS TO THE NEW CITIZENS!

  673. asoka.. September 8, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Ozone and WSP7 and Ripped Thunder
    WELCOME THEM! MAKE THEM FEEL AT HOME!
    OPEN YOUR HEARTS TO THE NEW CITIZENS!

  674. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Yeah, like you be impersonating yourself, what fun.

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  675. k-dog September 8, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    I did, and several others by Kathy Shaidle. She has an agenda to portray Sikh murder as no big deal. As bizarre as that sounds you can read for yourself and make up your own mind. Here is a taste.
    “Finally, with the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooter, leftists have their new white gun-crazy poster boy. I resent even having to look up the name “Wade Michael Page” for this article’s purposes, but I don’t doubt that thousands of American liberals already have it memorized.

    A clear agenda and a very ugly one at that. I’d not let her cook me a steak.
    Twenty million Sihks, hell some of them are going to be nutballs just like Kathy.

  676. XXX5 September 8, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    Asoka said:
    Part of us does. Cells are dying all the time, just as cells are being created all the time.
    ****************************************************************
    Well, duh. This doesn’t mean that sleep is a form of DEATH … can’t you even stay on a topic YOU started? You’re CFN’s designated eel. If your illogic is tossed in your face you simply change topics. It’s been you modus operandi as long as you’ve been here on CFN.
    Well, you and Vlad can have a New-Age-a-thon together … that’s got to gladden your heart.
    E.

  677. XXX5 September 9, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Explain to me how a “hermit” gets a cadre of 20-something chicks. You’re falling for his SELF REPORT and a charlatan (and he’s one if there ever was one) will always construct a “romantic” view of himself for you admiration.
    Don’t be a chump, San Jose Mom. I thought you had better sense.
    E.

  678. XXX5 September 9, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Oh, yeah, Asoka. Your assessment of the economy is more fact-filled than Joe Stiglitz or all the guys on Yahoo Finance who have basically admitted that the available jobs are burger-flipper level jobs.
    You just keep kissing some guru’s ass and rehearsing your “Power of Positive Thinking” in front of a mirror. In the real world, where most of us exist, there are 200,000 people with baccalaureates or higher who are JANITORS. Workforce participation rates are now at 32-year lows. In Oakland, 11,000 people applied for a few hundred jobs at that bastion of luxurious compensation, Walmart.
    As soon as you find the world outside of your computer terminal, do be sure to let us know.
    E.

  679. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 12:14 am #

    Wuddup with this, why U slammin her.
    View any of his videos on U-tube and you have to know the man gets sum. He’s not to all taste but he has plenty of opportunity to exercise and stay healthy. In all ways.

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  680. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    How about a certain level of awareness; Vlad certainly has that. After all, he did state that most women have zero interest in the spiritual aspects of yoga; that most are simply doing calisthenics. I find that to be a true statement BTW.
    I saw a Zumba infomercial today with tons of smiling faces bouncing around gleefully. Some of them were even sporting “Zumba” t-shirts and holding “Zumba” drink containers. Not even Richard Simmons stooped so low, I thought to myself.
    Tons of toads marching in line behind one another who are nothing but ejaculatory puffs of smoke in comparison to the seminal volcanoes of years gone by. Fewer and fewer of us remain so cut him a key Asoka

  681. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    But there has been far too much talk about Ken Wilber.
    This is what we should be discussing:
    “In the real world, where most of us exist, there are 200,000 people with baccalaureates or higher who are JANITORS. Workforce participation rates are now at 32-year lows. In Oakland, 11,000 people applied for a few hundred jobs at that bastion of luxurious compensation, Walmart.”
    Because that hits the nail on the head.

  682. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 1:53 am #

    A challenge/request for some of the writers here on CFN.
    I was pondering some principles/components of composition, such as opposition and transition. If opposition is two lines perpendicular to each other, such as a vertical post and a horizontal beam, then transition might be thought of as an ionic capital or corner bracket that harmonizes the two opposites elements along with softening the transition where they intersect.
    Can/will one of the writers here on CFN compose a writing that instills opposition but which also incorporates transition in order to achieve a less acute transition? In other words, install the equivalent of a corthinian capitol at the juncture where the vertical and horizontal are about to intersect.
    Q…Asoka, Ozone, Jam, Radu, Bustin J…anyone?

  683. San Jose Mom 51 September 9, 2012 at 2:15 am #

    You clearly aren’t familiar with Wilber’s writing, so your opinion is far from credible.
    You call me a chump? Fine. It’s better than being a whiner like you. “Oh Mr. Kunstler isn’t following my advice to rid this blog of posters that irritate me. It’s such a waste of my precious time and brilliance to put up with these terrible, horrible Chinese fashion posts.”
    Then Kunstler gets rid of your chosen name because he isn’t seeing you as the poor victim of everyone you disagree with. As I mom, I can imagine you pouting and saying, “But it’s not fair.”

  684. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 2:49 am #

    I bought several of his books. They didnt leave a
    lasting impression. The one [co written, or by his wife] was the saddest, her journey as she dies of cancer.
    K-DoG, Ken Wilbur was once a bus boy.
    So for some, the American Dream happens.

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  685. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 2:52 am #

    Second time tonite,Its SIKH, not Sihk.
    Perhaps what shes saying is Wisconsin’s bad month
    is Chi towns bad weekend!!!

  686. asoka.. September 9, 2012 at 2:55 am #

    LOL!
    Yes, I can imagine XXX5 whining/crying:
    “bawaaaa, why is everyone so intolerant of racist, antisemitic misanthropes?, bawaaaaa”

  687. Widespreadpanic7 September 9, 2012 at 7:05 am #

    Asoka, about those 16 immigrants at the citizenship ceremony in the Norman Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge, sworn in by Governor Patrick, I was wondering … the unemployment rate in western Mass. being pretty high, with thousands of current citizens with no jobs … where are these new citizens going to work? Does some agency guarantee them jobs? Do they claim affirmative action status and go to the head of the line? Do they climb aboard the very generous but strained Mass. social services gravy train? I have to laugh when I hear Biden claim the Dems have created 4.5 million jobs in the past 4 years because that’s exactly how many immigrants have come here in the past 4 years. Its a wash.
    –WSP7

  688. Widespreadpanic7 September 9, 2012 at 7:17 am #

    The end of summer is near and we’re having some bloody weekends in Hartford, New Haven and Bridgeport. Interestingly enough, in light of the huge crackdown on guns in those cities, more people are being stabbed.
    So I’m reading the biography of Frederick Law Olmsted, a Hartford native. It got me thinking, how is it that the birthplace of Olmsted, Noah Webster, Horace Bushnell, JP Morgan, Charles Dudley Warner and many, many others, could devolve into such an anarchistic, entropic, bloody welfare colony like it has? Who has the answer to that?
    –WSP7

  689. BeingThere September 9, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    Empire Overshoot
    Marlin asks what happened to a once thriving town who produced–dare I say it? Innovators!!
    E. keeps pointing out the dismantling of our middle class.
    Both posters are what I refer to as witnesses to our moment in time and reporting what they see in the real world.
    Yep, when your advertising media tells you all is getting better, we see a huge disconnect and that as JHK points out why people can no longer trust their leadership. A group who’s been reduced to fundraising and marching in lockstep to party dictums, that’s what the representatives of the people are today.
    Romney, a true oligarch who tries to convince us that he’s a man of the people says something and he’s told he can’t have that position, so he has to walk it back the next day. The guy who wants to lead this country is not allowed to have an opinion outside the hive. Do you believe POTUS actually is the decider? I say when someone has to tell you he’s the decider (W) it means he’s not.
    Ryan runs around giving out Ayn Rand books to the new generation of Republican rookies on Capital Hill. He’s been dubbed the “intellectual, only to have to claim he didn’t know Rand developed a system called “objectivism” which is atheistic in nature. (Like a reverse Communist.) Oh yeah, a real intellect that one. He had no idea what he was reading!
    In the meantime the land that celebrates freedom of religion is trying to politicize religion. They turned religion into an authoritarian juggernaut that hates science and makes up it’s own story about how Jesus wants you to be rich.
    Obama is a free-trader, who says he’s creating jobs while signing trade agreements that just further our problems. I wrote to JHK that I imagined he threw his cane at the TV set when O claimed we had a hundred years of gas right here in the ole USA!
    Great speech but he is representing the same folks backing the Reps. He may be able to dismantle the social safety net more successfully than the Reps–who knows…. In the meantime the Reps claim that the unions who are being wiped out are the supporters of the Dem party all the while taking in hundreds of millions fro the Koch Brothers.
    In the land of the free and the brave, anyone outside the 2 party hydra is ignored. If you don’t mention Jill Stein, she won’t exist. Since she’s not a threat she won’t disappear in Guantanamo Bay.–BUT you can bet your bottom dollar she’s being scrutinized.
    It’s all about globalization neoliberalism and empire overshoot.
    In very simple terms we are diffusing our capital and energies by going overseas to police the world–remember Pax Americana? We were aiming to stop world wars and have military all over—just to start it ourselves. The drug war, privatizing prisons for a slave work force perhaps? We gotta compete with China, ya know.
    Our capital went to Asia to build the new cities of China. As Catherin Austin Fitts has said in the 1990’s. CalPers: “We gave up on America, we’re now investing in Asia. That’s because the top echelon could make more money–that’s all globalism means. No barriers to entry–not our problem only makes us richer!! The rest of us are going down…
    The nexus between military power and money has twisted a once great nation into a diluted backwater who is politicizing religion, whose greatest export is war and war machines, whose banking system went viral around the world and is dismantling economics while tryng to creat a new central bank for the Eurozone–bigger and badder.
    Oh and price discovery–well if you can get everyone to agree with the fiction, I guess you can keep doing this for a spell.
    When 2008 rolled around various sources I read claimed the derivatives beast was at $1.4 Quadrillion —On GPS Carl Icaahn said they never saw numbers like that—he wouldn’t say what the numbers were, but everyone in govt. were freaking out.
    At this date Tarpley is claiming it to have reach $2 Quadrillion. Nice figure, eh? The world’s wealth is nowhere near that–and that my friends is why this thing can’t be turned around.
    ____________________
    ps–I’m working a lot these days and don’t have time to keep up with you all. Don’t fight too nasty–as Buck says oppose, but don’t lose the spirit of debate.

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  690. ozone September 9, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    Believe it or don’t!
    An annoying little article from [of all places] nbcnews.com:
    http://moneymorning.com/ob/economist-richard-duncan-civilization-may-not-survive-death-spiral/
    Whaaaaaaat??

  691. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    “I have to laugh when I hear Biden claim the Dems have created 4.5 million jobs in the past 4 years because that’s exactly how many immigrants have come here in the past 4 years. Its a wash.”
    It might really hurt if you tried to keep the laugh down as BeingThere just noted:
    “Obama is a free-trader, who says he’s creating jobs while signing trade agreements that just further our problems.”
    woof !!!!
    *********
    anti soak – My bad it’s sikh sikh sikh
    And do the sikhs have anything to contribute concerning the long emergency?
    They do:
    Bhai Gurdas ji’s summary,
    In this Dark Age, he showed all gods to be just one.
    The four feet of Dharma, the four castes were converted into one.
    Equality of the King and beggar, he spread the custom of being humble.
    Reversed is the game of the beloved; the egotist high heads bowed to the feet.

    They know about All Dogs Eat!!
    They found the social structure required for our ultimate survival. Equality of the King and beggar, otherwise known as all dogs eat.
    ?: Obama (The Plutocracy we have)
    ?: Romney (Another Plutocracy)
    ?: K-Dog (All Dogs Eat)
    Vand Ke Chakna:
    Share the fruits of your’s labor with others before considering yourself, live as an inspiration and a support to your entire community.
    All dogs eat.

  692. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Sikh and ye shall find.

  693. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    What is Vand Ke Chakna?

  694. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    anti,
    YES, I READ THE ARTICLE!
    I have just gone through it two more times, and I see no mention of any place other than Canada!

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  695. asoka.. September 9, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    “And [Obama] believes that when you’ve worked hard, and done well, and walked through that doorway of opportunity… you do not slam it shut behind you… you reach back, and you give other folks the same chances that helped you succeed.” –Michelle Obama

  696. Widespreadpanic7 September 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    That’s a sobering article on MorningMoney, Oz. If there is some sort of collapse, as the author predicts, its going to come as a shock to most people because on the surface things look pretty normal here.
    Excellent post as usual, Ibendet!
    Now that I’m finishing up this book on Olmsted I have to get down to Manhattan and check out his masterpiece, look at it with new eyes, if you will. Olmsted was a writer with no formal education and no training in landscape architecture. He was just a natural. I think he would have been right at home with JHKs group of new urbanists.
    –WSP7

  697. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Well when we have 100 years of gas, Limitless jobs,
    Hope n Change. whats another 5 million new Americans?
    Do you know much about the ‘Global Poverty Act’,
    and why it has not been touted by BHO?
    Only another Trillion to ‘fight for a better world’.

  698. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    Exactly, Sikhs in Canada doing terrorist acts.

  699. Radu Voda September 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Wow, when you lose your center you really lose it. This is as bad as when you were supporting Occupy Wall St. When I pointed out how peaceful the Tea Party rallies were in contrast, your defence was that some Tea Partiers wore leather jackets and rode motorcycles.
    Both the Hindu and Buddhist yogis point out the experential similarity between sleep and death. When you die, you will lose contact with the physical world. But consciousness goes on. When you fall asleep – ditto. That’s one of the secrets btw: if you can stay conscious during sleep, you may well be able to do so after death. Deep sleep is the hardest – one who can do that is very close to Enlightenment.
    Again, I merely pointed out the Wilber has a great mind and that he had a strong influence on me at one phase. I’m sure you have your own intellectual heroes who could no wrong until you saw their limitations. How can we condemn people who helped form us? Criticize yes, of course.

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  700. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    I hadn’t known about it but I just read up on it.
    WOW almost 1% percent of gross national product would have gone to feed the poor of the world so they could make more poor people. Would we have gotten Christmas cards from them while they were breeding more for us to feed.
    Confirms my feeling about Quo-bama though. A ‘citizen of the world’ he is but he does have one common American trait. A trait I don’t want to have. In lieu of taking care of your own make token efforts to help out a population far far away. You can sleep at night and ignore the injustice and poverty at home content that in the great struggle you have made a contribution.
    Thanks to technology, it’s a lot easier to take care of others far far away and ignore your own people in need. Another case of too much magic.
    Charity begins at home, in 2008 we had plenty of our own in need. Shit may have hit the fan in ’08 but the stench had been around for years.
    Ms Dog sez:
    Take care of your family first, then help your friends. Then if you have any energy left then help everybody else.
    There is nothing wrong with wanting to save the rest of the world but priorities matter.
    Later events revealed that a man who would have taxed the American people and expected them to feed the world would later go on to expect people without jobs to buy health insurance.
    In hindsight that’s not surprising.
    ?: Obama (clueless and confused)
    ?: Romney (clueless with a ‘base’ to satisfy)
    ?: K-Dog (A clever dog with plenty of clues)

  701. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Well when we have 100 years of gas, Limitless jobs, Hope n Change. whats another 5 million new Americans?

    With limitless jobs we could let them all in. Now that society is falling apart because we don’t have enough jobs for our own people none of them should be getting in.

  702. asoka.. September 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    I apologize I will not be able to post much today.
    I have a full social and spiritual life to attend to.
    See you tomorrow, INSHALLAH!

  703. Radu Voda September 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    As Andy Sanborn’s Nick Cage says, “That is high praise”. I am an artist of life – and as Kavanaugh says someplace – crushed by the jaws of God since I can’t express it. I have no medium, and though I can turn a nice phrase now and then, no particular gift. I would almost sell my soul to be able to make a living as you do, doing something I love. As it is, I hope God is making wine out of the grapes of my being. Same thing with women – I don’t have my Kavanaugh anymore so I can’t quote it.
    Crowley knew that Rodin was a Master when the largely non verbal Rodin translated an idea Crowley had just expressed into a hand gesture. This ability to translate from one medium to another is the Universal Language, the Language of the Birds – and of the Cathedrals. You should read Fucanelli’s Mystery of the Cathedrals. He is said to be the only Man to have made the stone in the 20th Century.

  704. Radu Voda September 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    That kind of “abundanza” thinking has lead us to this turn. How could there ever have been enough jobs for the 400 million they intend to create here? That would have just ended us sooner.

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  705. Jam47 September 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    The abruptness of the transition between a horizontal line and a vertical line has a drama and a force that you wish to moderate–is that the question?
    Well, as there are only three geometrical forms (those bounded by straight lines, those bounded by curved lines, and those bounded by a combination of both) the only transition I can think of that moves a horizontal into a vertical is curve of some kind. This is the case with two-dimensional geometry.
    Would three-dimensional geometry change this triad? Don’t think so. What else but a curve could serve as a softening transitional element?
    This is case where a picture is most definitely worth a thousand words. Had I a picture of the problem, I would not have misunderstood you–if in fact that’s what I have done.
    Pharaonic Egyptian architecture is brutal not only because it is massive but because it lacks the arch. Ancient Roman architecture, just as massive, is softer and less brutal because the Romans had the arch.

  706. asoka,, September 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    What have you been smokin’, Buck? Kindly cut the crap.

  707. asoka,, September 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Here is the reality, once again, doomers:
    There are very strong indicators that the world is actually getting better for the majority of humanity–fewer wars, lower crime rates, incredible advances in communication, a dramatic democratization of information that promises to catalyze social transformation on a global scale… and the list goes on. Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet, bringing us ever-closer to a cultural “tipping point”, in much the same way we saw with rational modernism during the European Renaissance, and postmodern pluralism in the 1960’s. This “tipping point” will allow us to find and enact integral solutions for our 21st century problems, with the measure of complexity, compassion, and consciousness that they demand. Needless to say, this is very good news.

  708. asoka,, September 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Oh yeah! And that Catherine Austin Fitts..
    She’s a… CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!
    Who are these people that pull the strings? Please, please give me their names. I’d love to know who they are!
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)

  709. asoka,, September 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    My Sangha group got cancelled as some of you might have guessed. I’m back for the rest of this beautiful Sunday! Spend time outside? Not on your life if I can be on kunstler.com.
    Allahu Akbar!

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  710. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    “Can/will one of the writers here on CFN compose a writing that instills opposition but which also incorporates transition in order to achieve a less acute transition?”
    Are you fucking for real?
    A blog post that will counteract economic depression, riots, drought, food shortages, more riots, social chaos and a massive human die-off.
    Sure, no problem.
    It’s really time to start talking about what, if anything, can be done with all of the Americans who are about to become the wandering disposessed. How, or if, we can achieve the national will to prevent this oncoming slaughter.

  711. San Jose Mom 51 September 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    Take a deep breath Asoka. The blog can only handle so much of your brilliance 🙂
    Even God rested on the seventh day.
    Jen

  712. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Gawd [pun intentional] THATS F’K’NG FUNNY.
    Rest Asoka, rest.

  713. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    What have you been smokin’, Buck? Kindly cut the crap.

    I would like to say that your response surprises me, you being a ‘man of multitudes’ and all that, but nothing really surprises me.
    Suffice to say, if you’re being serious that is, that you just didn’t “get it”.
    Therefore, keep on pounding the nail; some of us, however, will turn the screw. You’re a hammer and here I thought you were a Yankee screw driver. As the Tai Chi Classics implore, ” Seek the straight thru the curved; the curved thru the straight”.
    How disappointing; and how “straight-laced” Asoka.

  714. anti soak September 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    Once upon a time, someone applied for a job at a Hotel, or to work in Fire/Police Departments.
    Now ‘they’ want a 2 or 4 year degree.
    Why not an AA in ‘janitorial service’?
    SMC.edu offers a certificate in ‘recycling’ [ooops]
    resource recovery. More TARP money spent, more green waste.

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  715. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    On second glance, I’m wondering if that is ” the real Asoka”. Two commas after the name… nah I been fooled.

  716. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    Every day I get to see people hiding. Hiding in alleys, hiding on rooftops, sometimes hiding in their cars with what they consider to be the the important material remnants of their shattered lives. If they can, they find one of those overnight parking lots to park (with their remnants) in relative safety. It’s a motel where your room is the inside of your car. Brilliant! The entrepreneurial spirit.
    Why are they hiding? Because they have no where to go. If you have no where to go, you are incarcerated for the simple act of being alive.
    So they should pick through garbage professionally to justify their existence. Sure, if Mittens goes first. He undoubtedly generates his share of detritus (political and otherwise).

  717. beantown bill September 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    One of your best posts, IMO. I think you concisely summed up our FUBAR country and world. One thing – don’t forget about the effect of rapid technological change on our civilization (I guess that’s my own thing to emphasize), and how TPTB don’t understand it, so technology has become a misused tool. Ever hammer your thumb instead of the nail? That’s what’s happening to the world. The elite feel, as Simon and Garfinkel sang: “I’d rather be a hammer than a nail”.
    I guess it’s a good thing for you that you’re so busy, but not so good for CFN – just keep on posting!

  718. Jam47 September 9, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    Vlad and Asoka maintain that sleep is a form of death. XXX5 disagrees.
    Let’s say you’re a deep sleeper. You go to bed at 11 p.m., your bedroom in total darkness, and the next thing you know your bedroom is bright with morning sunlight. The wall clock says 7. Did you dream? You can’t recall having done so, which means, subjectively, you didn’t. Well then, what were you doing during those 8 hours? Your body was breathing, digesting, and so on. Your mind though – your mind was doing nothing. It was doing nothing because it didn’t exist. In other words, you were mindless. In other words, you lacked consciousness.
    Now, if bodily death causes consciousness to end, it is neither an abuse of logic nor of common sense to say that sleep, dreamless sleep, is a form of death. To say that sleep is a FORM of death is to make the limited claim that sleep and death both partake of nullity. It is not to say that sleep IS death. It is not to say that sleep and death are numerically identical. To say so is to make a much larger claim, a claim which, in my view, is nonsensical.
    Sleep without dreams IS a form of death.
    If anyone replies to this post, please don’t raise the fact of brain waves as an objection. Brain waves are brain-states, or their measurement. I’m not talking about brain-states. I’m talking about mind-states, mind states and their absolute subjectivity.

  719. beantown bill September 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    E has stated there are few rational posters on CFN. I can understand his frustration. However, at his age, I think he ought to have been able to temper his dislikes with the knowledge that people are not perfect. There may well be perfectly rational people around, but I don’t think so. A rational person has within them some aspects of their persona that aren’t rational. For example, E, a rational person, acts irrationally when he allows himself to become very upset, angry and disappointed when another individual makes a poorly reasoned statement.

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  720. beantown bill September 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    Respectfully, although your comment is logical, you are guilty of picking a giant nit from a subject that has no relevance to CFN, and that has been nitpicked enough already. Just my $02.

  721. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    Interesting post, Jam. It feels like a mark in the Descartes cogito ergo sum column: ” I think therefore I am”. Of course some might extend that argument (logically?) by asking what’s the difference between losing one’s mind in sleep or losing it in anger…or fear etc,etc.
    Now my pencil seems to be veering back towards the materialist column.

  722. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    Hey! Bill’s here! What are the odds?
    El Condor Pasa, eh? Let’s see how musical you are. A long time ago my degenerate friends and I learned a variation on that theme. You are required to clap your hands three times at Andante Moderato tempo.
    You can do this Bill. I swear. Of course it’s vulgar. It’s modified folk music. Ready?
    I’d rather have the measles
    Than the….(this is your cue)

  723. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    I have no medium, and though I can turn a nice phrase now and then, no particular gift.

    You have no medium? NO MEDIUM???
    Vlad, now you’re guilty of not been able to look into the future. One day in the future,these message boards will be poignantly and nostalgically recalled as the Wild, Wild West of an art world no more.

  724. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    The only time that Vlad’s poisonous intellect is benign is when he is asleep. And what does Vlad dream of….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmbRxhVcieA

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  725. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Damn, that socialized medicine in the UK has turned them against the USA, the Saviors of the Free World!
    The BBC put out a video claiming that “Al Qaeda Never Existed”
    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/07/bbc-admits-al-qaeda-existed-182141/
    The URL leaves out the ‘never’, maybe to avoid computer censors?

  726. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    I had never realized that German was such a subtle and tough to translate language. I have seen that same video with many different translations. ;>O
    That problem must be due to crappy American schools who do such a bad job of teaching furrin languages.

  727. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    oooooo…..burn

  728. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    What I love about your posts is your particular brand of educational fascism. So…uh…why don’t you expose your “curriculum vitae” to me so I got something to jack off to.
    How many of you Christians plan to mow down hungry people that dare to approach your “lifeboat”?
    Poll?

  729. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    xhalor,
    You couldn’t handle MY Curriculum Vitae!

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  730. beantown bill September 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    I’d rather have the measles
    than the clap (hands clap, clap, clap)

  731. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    I have been the recipient of the Big Green Weenie (with honors). I doubt that your educational acumen could even begin to compete with that kind of abuse. But, hey, if you think you got the chops, I’m ready to take it out for a test drive. Watcha’ got, smart boy?

  732. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    xhalor,
    Twice you missed my sarcasm! I don’t know the html tags for sarcasm. I also don’t know haw to type in Jack Nicholson.
    My CV is not really all that impressive.
    Also, American schools are starting to catch on to the key to teaching foreign languages, at least where budgets haven’t been cut too badly. The secret? Start them young! Trying to teach high school or college students a new language only works for a few. Also, you need to use Hoispanic teachers, like Rosetta Stone!

  733. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    Hispanic that is. Hit the submit too fast.

  734. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    As vexing as that is that may be looking at the problem from the wrong end.
    The straight poop from someone who works in a Fire/Police Department is that the last position they filled had over 500 applicants. Can anything resembling fairness and appropriateness possible happen in such circumstances.
    No way.
    ?: Obama (Gives more jobs to other countries.)
    ?: Romney (Gives all the jobs away.)
    ?: K-Dog (Sets a 4.5% unemployment rate as top priority and closes the borders.)
    Radical you say? Not at all, there are people in your extended family that deserve a future.

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  735. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    possibly

  736. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    Everything that you put in this space is in the here and now. I pay no attention to anyone’s personal embellishments. Impress me with your mastery of the “here and now”. Foreign languages? Great if you are planning on going somewhere. Are you going somewhere? I saw Carlos Montoya in concert once. He said “My English is not so good. My Spanish is excellent.” Shut up and play your guitar.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Js4aQH7VUs

  737. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    I agree that was really good.

  738. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    Something has to explain the nanothermite.

  739. Buck Stud September 9, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    Are you fucking for real?
    A blog post that will counteract economic depression, riots, drought, food shortages, more riots, social chaos and a massive human die-off.
    Sure, no problem.
    It’s really time to start talking about what, if anything, can be done with all of the Americans who are about to become the wandering disposessed. How, or if, we can achieve the national will to prevent this oncoming slaughter.

    According to many, if you were to start talking “all of the Americans who are about to become the wandering disposessed” you would be forming a structure that is opposite that of the happy MSM.
    So I don’t believe my post was that “unreal”. In fact, to really deliver your dire message without immediately repelling an audience through fear or even more likely, being labeled a kook and thus irrelevant, the art of the “transition” might need to be enlisted. In other words, how to gradate from whistling past the graveyard to actually contemplating death?
    Beyond that, I was referring to structure and not any given narrative.

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  740. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    To be clear the BBC article actually wraps an RT video segment. The claim that ‘Al Qaeda’ doesn’t exist is not accurate. It suggests a reality based view that the U.S. has gone about making a paper tiger out of ‘Al Qaeda’ in order to justify its foreign policy and that it is our own actions that have created our enemies in the middle east and that with a change in foreign policy they would all go away.
    Socialized medicine in the UK has zero relevance to the clip.
    Damn, throw your mud, but try and hit the target at least.

  741. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

    xhalor,
    Actually, knowing foreign languages and cultures can help when dealing with people whose native languages are not yours.
    I wish I had a mastery of anything.

  742. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    K-dog,
    “Socialized medicine in the UK has zero relevance to the clip.”
    You missed my sarcasm too. Does anyone know the html tag for sarcasm.

  743. muddmike September 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    I thought the “Savior of the Free World” was a dead giveaway for sarcasm.

  744. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    “I wish I had a mastery of anything.”
    Me too. My slide guitar is improving…

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  745. xhalor September 9, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    “…to really deliver your dire message without immediately repelling an audience through fear or even more likely, being labeled a kook and thus irrelevant, the art of the “transition” might need to be enlisted.”
    I have a label maker too. PUSSIES seems to be the one I use the most. Deniers, misguided, ignorant…there are so many. Pick the one you that you find the least offensive or “kooky”.

  746. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    “To really deliver your dire message without immediately repelling an audience through fear or even more likely, being labeled a kook and thus irrelevant.”
    This struck me when I was listening to JHK on my local public radio a couple of weeks ago. You have everybody bopping along the freeways on their lunch break totally immersed in their lives and then you have some guy comes on the radio saying that the American dream is over and that we need to be making other living arrangements.
    It doesn’t fly.
    The message goes in one ear and out the other. There is nothing wrong with the message but it flies right in the face of the dominant message being pumped out by the status-quo every day nonstop. People are being brainwashed by our government and corporate media every day to ignore reality and concentrate on being happy and accepting the word we are given without question. Daddy knows best and daddy says economic recovery is right around the corner. Look, the unemployment rate just went down 0.02%. That proves it!!!!
    BTW lets talk what a 0.02% drop really means such as in 8.5% to 8.3% drop in the unemployment rate or whatever it was.
    An 8.5% to 8.3% change seems impressive but it actually means a change of one part in 500. So in a crowd of 500 people one of them got a job.
    Hope they don’t get laid off or fired next week.
    And weren’t some shenanigans involved in getting the numbers? The definition of who is unemployed was changed. Change the definition of who is unemployed and you can actually get any number you want. The true number of unemployed may have actually gone up.
    People are scared and grasping at any hope they can. Everybody wants to believe that things are going to get better. Mendacious lies are making everybody feel better than the truth possibly can right now and both major political parties are totally invested in lies because the truth could not possibly get either one elected.
    We need a reality party.

  747. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    I should have typed 0.2% instead of 0.02% which is one part in 5000. I also would have cleaned up the grammar but we don’t have a good way to preview.

  748. asoka.. September 9, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    Buck Stud, someone has tried to appropriate my handle by creating on with two commas.
    Imitation is a form of flattery, I guess.
    But yes, you have been fooled.
    Like this blog needs more asokas!
    I haven’t posted today because I’ve been outside at a music festival, dancing with the folks.

  749. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    ✈ —- The al-Anad Air Base in southern Yemen’s Lajih province had received a new fleet of US drones, accompanied by American soldiers.
    #An American military plane entered Yemen over the past few days carrying unmanned drones, accompanied by US soldiers,.” This fleet of US drones represented reinforcements for the US forces in Yemen as part of the international efforts to combat terrorism.
    Tax dollars at work. We need a system to start numbering the oil wars.

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  750. turkleton September 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    No preview, no edit, no deletion, no meta-moderation, no comments placed under their posts, no nested threading, no thumbnails of posters, no blocking/hiding, no automated way to report spam posts, etc.
    In other words, no features that have been standard in most forum and blogging software as of five years ago.
    Just a bunch of posts running in a narrow strip down the center of the page on a light barf-colored background.
    Welcome to the CFN, where even the blogging software is CF’d.

  751. k-dog September 9, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    I wasn’t so much complaining as apologizing. It is what it is.
    I started writing my own code to imitate this site and add cool features several months ago but quit. I stopped doing it because my time needs to be spent on activities which put food in the fridge. This is also the reason I haven’t done anything on my own page for a long time.
    That may change soon but top priority is figuring out how to make a living.
    I’m one of the 22%.
    “When the long-term (more than one year) discouraged workers are included, the US unemployment rate is about 22%. In other words, the real US rate of unemployment is almost three times higher than the reported–headline rate–of 8.1%.”
    To which I comment:
    Obama and Romney do not see this as a bad thing. Mass unemployment is being used to push down wages so that corporate profits get pushed up. Corporations control both the Democratic and Republican parties and the politicians we have now kiss corporate ass exclusively. It is where all their funding is going to come from in the future. We are fucked.
    ?: K-Dog (A dog for the people.)

  752. ak September 10, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    So, but what can be done?
    Offer to run this blog for JHK w/upgraded software?
    I wouldn’t mind being a part-time moderator, and I’m sure a couple of others would volunteer as well, but does the owner care?
    Your thoughts? (Maybe next column)

  753. Steve M. September 10, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    “Medicine will return to the local clinic model and doctors will have to find another motivation for practice besides the acquisition of German automobiles.”
    Let them drive VW Beetles if they want to make house calls representin’ Deutschland! Not the new ones, the old ones. They use much less gas – which is good, because there’ll be much less gas – and they can take care of them themselves in a more labor-intensive world. I hope the docs like air-cooled engines with 35 horses! 😀

  754. anti soak September 10, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    Asoka didnt post much [let this place mostly alone for an hour or 5] and see how much better the interactions are?

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  755. anti soak September 10, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    Maybe he learned a few tricks from Bubba Freejohn?
    Where is this resume? Please link.
    Bubba info at ‘adi da archives’.

  756. anti soak September 10, 2012 at 12:33 am #

    What would be more screwed up would be to BELIEVE that asoka is as he describes himself.
    That would be really absurd.

  757. XXX5 September 10, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    SJM said:
    Then Kunstler gets rid of your chosen name because he isn’t seeing you as the poor victim of everyone you disagree with. As I mom, I can imagine you pouting and saying, “But it’s not fair.”
    *************************************************************
    But, SJM … he cancelled BEING THERE’S account. Do you see her as a foaming-at-the-mouth radical? You haven’t even considered that maybe these account cancellations are TECHNICAL GLITCHES because Wage, a left-winger, was also erased. Think BEFORE you speak.
    As for Mr. Wilber, I’ve read texts by guys like him for decades and to a true theologian, these guys are an embarrassment. Their text is to beguile and confuse, not to enlighten. There are these permuted-word passages where stuff about souls and selves are bandied about like beach balls but where even their book clubs in the USA cannot agree on the meaning of a single paragraph because they all have a different interpretation of the meaning. The purpose of language is to deliver a message which is unequivocal to all and these New Age fake theologians can’t do that because then there would be no “mystery” to sell.
    You’re probably also a person who thinks Rhona Byrne’s “The Secret” is “deep reading” … or “The Alchemist” by Paolo Coelho. True spirituality is FEEDING, CLOTHING, and HOUSING people. I work at a food closet in an urban ministry one day a week and though I am a Deist (that’s not an organization), THAT, my erstwhile friend, is REAL spirituality.
    So, you can go over to the dark side and join your dopey pals on this site. I always looked at our days as numbered because you’re both too quick to PRAISE and FLATTER as you are now too quick to judge. The theological area is my bailiwick and if you really believe in guys like Wilber, I’d say you’re probably just undereducated and gullible. Women fall for these guys about 3 or 4 times more than men because women (with Being There being a huge exception) think “charisma” is truth.
    There’s an experiment in social psychology where two guys, one dorky looking and one handsome, walk down an urban street and try to pick women up on the street with EXACTLY THE SAME LINE OF B.S.. Bottom line? The dorky guys lines were seen as “cheesy” or “aggressive” or even “threatening” while the handsome guys lines are viewed as “witty” and “sexy”. Yes, with few exceptions, I am a misogynist, especially when I see what kinds of kids are coming out of these fatherless homes. Effete, feckless, vain kids.
    Finally, I must confess that I am a Rosicrucian who has belonged to AMORC for three decades so to accuse me of being out-to-lunch about Wilber or anyone else … you might as well be accusing a Talmudic Scholar of being ignorant on these matters.
    I don’t care to discuss them with YOU. While you strike me as a decent person and a good mother, you’ve never struck me as a person who makes truly original contributions on CFN. You’re either a “yes woman” or a “no woman” of other people’s posts. However, I’ve never gotten too “high” off of anyone’s flattery or too “low” off of anyone’s vitriol.
    Basically, I follow BEING THERE’S posts the most because, in the end, I think we’re in the last stages of a dying empire and she’s about the only regular here who seems viscerally aware of that.
    E.

  758. asoka.. September 10, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    You are doubling down on showing your ignorance of Wilber, ridiculously linking him to lightweights like Coehlo and Bynre new ageists.
    Then you have the audacity to say: “The theological area is my bailiwick…”
    Let me just a few of the authors Wilber is dialoging with that people like Coelho and Byrne have probably never even read.
    In alphabetical order, authors discussed in the MARRIAGE OF SENSE AND SOUL:
    Robert Bellah
    Nicholas Berdyaev
    Niels Bohr
    Auguste Comte
    Frederick Crews
    Daniel Dennett
    Jacques Derrida
    Wilhelm Dilthey
    Johann Fichte
    Michel Foucault
    Jean Gebser
    Carol Gilligan
    René Guénon
    Jurgen Habermas
    Martin Heidegger
    William James
    Immanuel Kant
    Thomas Kuhn
    Max Planck
    Sir Karl Popper
    Arthur Schopenauer
    Max Weber
    Alfred North Whitehead
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Wilber is a foremost critic of New Age thinking as represented by people like Coelho and Byrne.
    By the way, thank you for naming names, so I can address you misunderstanding of Wilber.
    Wilber is a critic of Boomer narcissism and all the new age crap that comes along with it.
    The fact that you have not read Wilber and ludicrously lump him in with new age writers would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic. You are criticizing someone you have never read and you are doing Wilber a great injustice. Yet you seem oblivious and clueless about who Wilber is.
    Then you dare say people like Wilber do not define their terms, another gigantic admission of your ignorance. Wilber specifically takes pains to define terms. In his book, A SOCIAL GOD, he looks at the sociology of religion and nine different meanings of “religion” as the word is used by theologians and religionists.
    You are simply uninformed and it is embarrassing that you continue to display your ignorance like you do.
    You claim the theological area is your bailiwick. Have you even read people like Erich Neumann or Mircea Eliade? I have. Wilber has. I doubt you or Byrne or Coelho have.

  759. k-dog September 10, 2012 at 2:29 am #

    I’m feeling pink is anybody feeling yellow? Oops I just tripped on my chakra does that mean I have to drop a level? I’ll never be able to understand reality if I can’t find purple bliss.
    What’s a dog to do?

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  760. k-dog September 10, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    Correction:
    Oops I just tripped on my chakra. Does that mean I have to drop a level?

  761. asoka.. September 10, 2012 at 2:41 am #

    Do dogs have chakras? Hmmm…
    I guess you need scientific proof. Hmmm…
    Well, a comparative analysis was conducted on a series of three experimental studies that examined the effect of various local and nonlocal (distant) complementary healing methods on multisite surface electromyographic (sEMG) and autonomic measures. The series concentrated sEMG electrode placement on specific neuromuscular paraspinal centers (cervical [C4], thoracic [T6], and lumbar [L3]), along with the frontalis region, due to the fact that these sites corresponded to the location of individual chakra centers as delineated in ancient Eastern medical and philosophical texts.
    It was HYPOTECATED that the sEMG assessment procedure had the potential to provide objective, quantifiable correlates for complementary healing treatment effects, as well as assess the energy flow through the chakras during a healing treatment. The studies were the first of their kind to incorporate randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled protocols in order to evaluate correlative neuromuscular multisite sEMG paraspinal measures with different complementary healing treatment interventions.
    Do dogs really have chakras? Cause if they don’t I’m wasting my time with scientific explanations.

  762. asoka.. September 10, 2012 at 2:45 am #

    CORRECTION
    Before E. goes and corrects me again:
    It is HYPOTHECATE with two H’s.

  763. asoka.. September 10, 2012 at 2:49 am #

    Do dogs know what “randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled protocols” means in terms of determining scientifically valid evidence of chakra energy centers?

  764. asoka.. September 10, 2012 at 2:50 am #

    CORRECTION
    Do dogs know what ^the phrase^ “randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled protocols” means in terms of determining scientifically valid evidence of chakra energy centers?
    Enough for this week.

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  765. k-dog September 10, 2012 at 4:19 am #

    The greatest obstacle to the reality party is the poor ability of the people in general to detect political deception. Raise this and we begin solving our problems. Politicians will begin to respond to the truth when it becomes in their best interest to do so, not before.

  766. Stephen Daedalus September 10, 2012 at 5:15 am #

    “Are there any real SCIENTISTS left on CFN besides ME??”
    Yes, we rationalists are here. However, we are being shouted down. My question to you is, do we silently walk away and leave them to their devices or keep speaking up? Are we allowed to use their stupidity against them?

  767. Stephen Daedalus September 10, 2012 at 5:27 am #

    “keep speaking up?” Remember, the engineer dies for pointing out the knot.

  768. ak September 10, 2012 at 7:30 am #

    .

  769. budizwiser September 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    I would like a little help.
    I think some sort of “big deals” will happen in the US after the election. The reason I think this – is that as soon as Obama is re-elected there will less prioritizing of lying to the public about current events.
    I think that either bits and pieces of the “truth” will become public – or else bold new “dis-reality” lies will be told. Either case will be cause for much public imposition and create mainstream media headlines.
    Can anyone guess or predict what some of these “truths” or mis-informational headlines will be? What will be on the TV news everynight a few weeks after the election?
    New conflict? New shortage? New “good news?”

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  770. kerneldax September 10, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    As the son of an engineer, I still cling to the possibility that tech may help us avoid some of the extremes you foresee. What are your thoughts on thorium fueled reactors?

  771. leah September 11, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    There is a vital crossover reality that Mr. Kunstler disses in his book–an open letter to him follows by scientist Francis Mangels, whom I am secretary for.
    You say you are not a scientist, but you do consider scientific credentials and evidence. Then consider this: You are putting yourself in the same category of science deniers as those you rail against when (on page 3, Too Much Magic) you label those who are working to stop chemtrailing as less than normal, implying that they are conspiracy freaks.
    I am the leading science advisor to Michael Murphy, and have appeared in two documentary films he produced. I have a binder over an inch thick of lab results from all over the world that documents the presence of the same elements that are in an online patent that the military uses for geoengineering. Those elements are aluminum, barium, and strontium, nanoparticles used to relect sunlight and incidentally alter weather patterns. A patent for the use of these, the Wellsbach patent, was sold to the military and the lab results mirror the patent contents.
    You got it half right whebn on page 209 you talk about “schemes for a kind of solar shielding” but you need to get the rest of the story. These schemes have been in use for possibly twenty years (certainly since 2006)as those in charge try to reduce global warming with the goal of KEEPING THE OIL PARTY GOING! That is the motivation behind it, and there is an absolute disregard for the environmental and human health disasters they are causing. You see that in your efforts to convince people that peak oil is past.
    Those in charge deny climate change verbally but do believe it. They support this program to try to mitigate it long enough to keep making their profits. The motivation is money and power.
    I would like to speak with you either by phone or email, because this issue is of vital importance and connected to peak oil. Through films, the website, and word of mouth (25 million hits) have heard about chemtrails. The website is geoengineeringwatch.org, and I sincerely urge you to look at it and consider the science and research behind what we are doing.
    Yes, there are fringe elements out there trying to ride our coattails and attaching wacko ideas to us, but the website is the real thing. I appear on that too explaining the science, see What ITWATS and Why ITWATS.
    I do thank you for your excellent and accurate books on peak oil. How about writing one that combines the geoengineering and peak oil? That would be a really eplosive book.
    Snail mail of this letter was sent to your publisher for forwarding,and contact information contained therein.
    Sincerely,Francis Mangels, USDA Scientist and Biologist, retired

  772. flying picket September 16, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Michael Hipp and Smokeyjoe, you seem to personify with wonderful clarity the truth of John Steinbeck’s observation: ‘Socialism never took root in America, because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.’
    I doubt either of you are one percenters or are ever likely to approach that most wretched of all conditions, so it’s difficult to envisage how you two are going to survive with that ‘I’m self-sufficient’ attitude. Reality may well hit you worse than most.