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A mighty nausea wells up across the land as the awful day cometh. Who will receive the black spot of fate on Tuesday? I wouldn’t want to be him or her on that dreadful day. The flagship of Modernity has lost its vaunted mojo and nobody knows what to do about it as the USS-USA pitches and yaws into the maelstrom.

Much opinion “out there” contends that we will have to suffer an election overtime, with the results contested on every hill and molehill from sea to shining sea. That scenario suggests various outcomes, all of them pretty bad: 1) the election is once again relegated to a Supreme Court case, only this time it ends up a 4-4 tie. Constitutional crisis time. 2) Perhaps as a function of No. 1, it ends up in the US House of Representatives. The catch is: members aren’t limited to Trump or HRC. They can vote for whoever they like. 3) A lot of web chatter has President Obama invoking some sort of emergency with the election postponed until some conclave of political viziers can figure a way out of it. Unlikely, but possible.

FBI Director James Comey’s eleventh hour reprieve of Hillary in the email server case sent an odor of rotting carp wafting across the political landscape. Like, his peeps actually vetted 650,000 emails in a week? I’m sure. Of course, the FBI does not issue indictments; that’s AG Loretta Lynch’s job over at the Department of Justice. The FBI only makes criminal referrals to such. But this puts too fine a point on the matter because the much more serious issue is the Clinton Foundation case, and the arrant sale of influence while HRC ran the State Department.

That currently overshadowed case is not closed. It sends up the odor not of a single rotting carp but of an entire whale pod dead on the beach. Half the emirs in Arabia dropped millions on the foundation to facilitate arms deals or to influence policy at State, and that was only part of what looks exactly like a classic racketeering operation. The Clinton Foundation story is not going away anytime soon and it will suck all the air out of the public arena for as far ahead as anyone can see when Hillary is in the oval office.

All of that obscures the gathering calamity in banking and finance that drives the waiting, whirling maelstrom. Thanks to eight years of central bank experiments, the engines of capital are hopelessly gunked up with political additives like QE and ZIRP™. Nothing is priced correctly, especially money. It’s all kept running on an ether of accounting fraud. We can’t come to grips with the resource realities behind the fraud, especially the end of cheap oil. And the bottom line is the already-manifest slowdown of global business. The poobahs of banking pretend to be confounded by all this because everything — their reputations, their jobs, their fortunes — depends on the Potemkin narrative that ever-greater economic expansion lies just around the corner.

Not so. What waits around the corner is a global scramble for the table scraps of the late techno-industrial banquet. Scrambles like that are liable to foment kinetic conflict. Neither Hillary or Trump appear to have a clue what this means and so they are likely to misinterpret the true signals amid all the noise and start an unnecessary war. Hillary is already hard at it with her cawing over supposed “Russian hackers” in the election.

The tragedy of Trump is that he represented a roster of legitimate grievances but argued them so poorly and then betrayed them with behavior so oafish and crude that he often looked not sane enough to hold high office. His partisans brushed that aside, saying it was good enough that he personified a giant “fuck you” to the political establishment. No, that wasn’t good enough because in the process he de-legitimized the issues.

For instance, There are excellent arguments for a “time-out” from immigration. Congress acted on that in 1925, after a half-century flood of immigration needed to man the factories of the early 20th century. The consensus on that policy change was arrived at with minimal rancor — and just in time, by the way, for the Great Depression, when manufacturing employment crashed. We’re also in for a collapse of activity, only this time it won’t be the few remaining factory workers. It’ll be everyone from the McDonalds counter jockeys to the bond packagers of Goldman Sachs.

The establishment will get its “fuck you” anyway. I do go along with the argument advanced by others that it would probably be better for Hillary to win, because that way the right people (the gang already in power) will be blamed for the descent into the maelstrom and will be expeditiously swept away.

Just about anything may rise up across America after that — the true corn-pone Nazi who succeeds Trump in the meshuggeneh branch of conservative politics… a second civil war… or a World Made By Hand. I detect a general awareness that the country must pass through some epic ordeal to straighten itself out. Well, here it is, just in time or the holidays.

Me? I’m going to write-in my vote for Homey D. Clown, because he don’t mess around.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. Neon Vincent November 7, 2016 at 9:10 am #

    “2) Perhaps as a function of No. 1, it ends up in the US House of Representatives. The catch is: members aren’t limited to Trump or HRC. They can vote for whoever they like.”

    No, that’s not exactly true. Here is the relevant passage of the 12th Amendment, which reformed presidential elections.

    “The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.”

    Unless Evan McMullin wins Utah or Gary Johnson wins New Mexico, the states where they are most likely to get electoral votes, or the faithless elector in Washington goes through with his threat to vote for Bernie Sanders, the House of Representatives will have to chose between Trump and Clinton. Even if all of the above happens, the House will still chose only among three. McMullin, the former CIA agent and proxy for the Deep State, will get the nod as Utah has six electoral votes to New Mexico’s five. In any case, I’d give the advantage to Trump because of the next part.

    “But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.”

    More congressional delegations have Republican majorities than Democratic ones, so Trump would win unless McMullin qualifies and the Deep State prevails. Given the FBI’s behavior, I doubt the security apparatus has its act together enough to make that happen.

    • Neon Vincent November 7, 2016 at 9:26 am #

      “What waits around the corner is a global scramble for the table scraps of the late techno-industrial banquet. Scrambles like that are liable to foment kinetic conflict. Neither Hillary or Trump appear to have a clue what this means and so they are likely to misinterpret the true signals amid all the noise and start an unnecessary war.”

      You’re right, neither of them do. In the case of Trump, this showed up over the weekend in his proposal for a grandiose space plan that puts Newt Gingrich to shame. If he had any idea about what a future of resource depletion would mean for a space program that ambitious, he would propose something just as impressive sounding that might actually do something on Earth. Then again, I’m a space enthusiast and I actually like his idea, although rooting for Trump to win so that it would be implemented is like hoping for the alternative history in “The Man in the High Castle” to be real so there could be commercial SSTs in the early 1960s. The cost is too high.

      Speaking of dystopian science fiction, Bill Maher praised Hillary Clinton a couple of weeks ago as the “cold, technocratic boss lady in a pantsuit” from movies like “Hunger Games: Mockingjay,” “Divergent,” and “The Giver.” Yes, he was comparing her favorably to the villains and saying that was exactly what the U.S. needed. Well, it beats being ruled by Donald Trump as Immortan Joe from “Mad Max: Fury Road.”

    • Cold N. Holefield November 7, 2016 at 9:42 am #

      Jim, I’m not sure about you, but I can’t wait for tomorrow to be over. I can’t take it any more. I miss the coverage of The Mass Shootings and Cops Shooting Black People. All of that Great Entertainment has been put on hold for coverage of the latest Trump Rally or Clinton Stump Speech, or coverage of Comey’s latest pronouncements or coverage of Hillary’s Server Issue or another Trump Locker Room Talk tape or — you name it.

      The Clown & The Crook

      • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 10:13 am #

        Yes, it is curious how the mass shootings and black shootings have been put on hold until the election is over. I don’t think you were suppose to notice.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

          Huh? What are you talking about? A White guy shot a few cops the other day In Iowa. ISIS has asked for mayhem on election day. And Chicago Blacks continue to genocide each other.

          America is simply too big for ordinary people to get a handle on. You’re smart, but very busy and also manacled by ideology. So you often end up just as wrong as the hoi polloi.

          • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 5:54 pm #

            Somewhere in there is a complement. I’ll take it.

      • Cold N. Holefield November 7, 2016 at 11:28 am #

        To All. They hacked my blog and erased my blog posts. I am not lying. It’s gone. I spent four hours writing it today, and all for not. They freakin erased it.

        • Q. Shtik November 7, 2016 at 11:40 am #

          I am not lying. It’s gone. I spent four hours writing it today, and all for [not]. – Cold

          ==============

          I hate when that happens.

          If I am planning to write a long blog comment I often do it in an email addressed to myself which I save as a draft several times as I proceed with my composition.

          BTW, the expression is all for naught.

          • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

            Q. Shtik that was rude, I spotted all for naught instantly myself, but pointing it out is kicking a man when he is down.

            Spending four hours on your blog and having the deep state come along and clean it out majorly sucks and don’t even tell me that majorly is not a word. You might make a mistake if it happened to you too!

            It is not as bad as writing cylindrical read errors onto your hard drive though! They can do that and that costs money.

          • outsider November 7, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

            I’m also unable at present to get YouTube on my TV, and I’ve never had this problem before. There’s a large amount of dangerous, near revolutionary, talk going on there opposed to Hillary. It would not surprise me if its been censored. More blackouts may be coming. We are now the “Disunited” States.

        • EvelynV November 7, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

          Can’t imagine the excoriation you would heap on some politician of your choice who was stupid enough to waste four hours of the taxpayers’ money writing a blog and not doing periodic loss limiting backups.

          It’s all of a piece. The same general incompetence as that of the average ranting murikan who spends hours a day sitting in their own stink dumping their mind enemas on the webs.

          What a stinking pity your no doubt precious *hack – cough – puke* words were lost.

          • Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 6:14 am #

            Turns out multiple copies were backed up. It was only the most recent one that was being erased. It happened several more times and each time I had to copy & paste the next oldest revision because WordPress wouldn’t allow me to do it via their “button.” And once I copied & pasted, I had to reformat it again which is a pain in the ass.

            You sound like a real Sweetheart. I’m guessing you haven’t had your pussy grabbed in a while, maybe never. Don’t be so distraught & forlorn about it — most women haven’t had their pussies grabbed, but if The Donald miraculously becomes POTUS, maybe all that will change. He will give rise to generations/hordes of Pussy Grabbers and women will be satisfied once again. Mad Men II.

            Also, by implication of your sentiment and as a necessary extension of your logic, JHK must have been lying about his DDoS attack this past Summer, or he was stupid not to protect himself from such a likelihood. You are a REAL venomous one — I’m guessing Canadian or Kiwi. A real viper. And the “k” when referring to America is a dead-giveaway you’re a Jane Hamsher/Information Clearing House failed Lefty from days of yore who still feels a need to inject her embitterment into everything and everybody that raises her easily exercised ire.

    • Zoltar November 7, 2016 at 11:20 am #

      You do understand that the Deep State already has a proxy running in this election, don’t you? Her name is Hillary.

      • Neon Vincent November 8, 2016 at 9:03 am #

        I was wondering when someone would catch that. Of course she is, but McMullin makes a good backup for those Representatives who would never vote for her. Redundancy for the win!

    • miasmo November 7, 2016 at 8:07 pm #

      Unless it’s an exact tie in the electoral college, the decision going to the House would by definition mean that a third candidate won at least one state. So in practical terms, yes, the House could pick someone besides Trump or Hillary. Also, there is a scenario by which Pence or Kaine could be acting President if the House fails to choose.

    • K-Dog November 8, 2016 at 11:07 am #

      SEE K-DOG VOTE

      Yes you can. In comment 182 follow the link I posted and you can see me with my ballot!

      You will have to hunt my comment down to find how I voted.

      Hint: [ CTRL-f] on most computers searches for words like ‘dog’.

  2. newworld November 7, 2016 at 9:15 am #

    You make the best case yet for Hillary, the rest of her partisans are insane true believers. I suspect they are not really true believers they are merely racketeers guarding their particular rice bowls in the latter days of the American Empire.

    Anyway for 5 decades I have listened to people rapping against “Jeebus” and then look what the Left has coughed up, Hillary Clinton of Epstein Express fame and John Podesta of self mutilated hands fame (yes go look at his hands).

    Well if Satan is real enough to the Left, then Jeebus must be real. Good job Left

    • stelmosfire November 7, 2016 at 10:48 am #

      What the f is that about if it is real?

      • newworld November 7, 2016 at 11:07 am #

        I assume you don’t know about Podesta, the erstwhile chief of staff to Hillary. Oh what a crew they have assembled, but Wall St loves the Clinton Crime Family S&P up 1.6% Monday morning.

        And as far as rumors go about silly satanic mumbo jumbo from John Podesta him and his brother’s descriptions fit to a tee the wanted for questioning in the Madeline McCann disappearance in Portugal in 2013.

        But Trump said “Pussy” to some Bush kid over a decade a go.

        Thanks Left.

        • EvelynV November 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm #

          And you are a brain dead fucker yourself. What Trump expressed was his being OK with grabbing the crotch of your daughter if she was pretty enough to appeal to him.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

          He’s a normal man. Women won’t make passes so men have to. Of course as a Leftist, you’re probably in favor of the human race dying out…

          • EvelynV November 8, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

            Well, if the choice is a preponderance of your kind or dying out, dying out is the slam dunk.

          • EvelynV November 8, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

            You don’t have a clue what normalcy is.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:02 pm #

        It is real and your hatred of Christianity would make you a candidate but for your good heart.

    • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:15 am #

      In one photo Podesta has ’14’ on one hand and image of fish on another.

      And rumors of pre teens at a hot tub.

      here,

      yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pedophile-code-words-podesta/
      Search all Podesta emails for these keywords. We are uncovering a child sex ring.#PodestaEmails28 pic.twitter.com/h6N6O76sAw

      anyone who hasn’t been paying attention, the elite are heavily into pedophilia and satanism because these are ways for them to

      (1) prove they are sociopathic enough to be trusted with great crimes,

      (2) prove that they can trust each other, despite being sociopaths.
      They all have the dirt on each other.
      (4) Satanic ritual abuse is used to create controllable split personalities, like in the Manchurian Candidate.

      • miasmo November 7, 2016 at 8:18 pm #

        And this has what to do with “the left”?

    • homesteader November 7, 2016 at 11:39 am #

      Not to defend Podesta, but it’s very likely that Dupuytrens disease is responsible for the way his hand looks. I have the same genetic condition and my left hand looks similar.

      • newworld November 7, 2016 at 11:52 am #

        My apologies I being infected with this election hysteria myself, I only did a haphazard internet search.

        But the Podestas’s guru the “performance artist” some crazy Serbian female is known for drawing blood from her hands or so she says and I flew off into that particular brand of reason or anti-reason.

        Anyway any person who has a Jeffrey Dahmer exhibit in their house in the form of a 8 foot long cadaver statue posed to look like one of Dahmer’s victims is not right in the head and should be nowhere near any frail miserable old ladies whose hands rest on the nuclear arms football.

  3. goat1001 November 7, 2016 at 9:21 am #

    Wednesday, November 9th, is D-Day… The tension has been building on the fault line and this thing is about to snap.

    • goat1001 November 7, 2016 at 9:23 am #

      There’s the possibility of a “World Unmade by Hand”???

  4. JimmieOakland November 7, 2016 at 9:27 am #

    Unbelievably fast work by the government going though the emails. So, how come I have to wait so long to get my tax refund?

    • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:15 am #

      You are a commoner.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

        What happened to Barry Commoner?

  5. MDG November 7, 2016 at 9:30 am #

    “Like, his peeps actually vetted 650,000 emails in a week? I’m sure. ”

    Comey said that the emails were duplicates of other emails already reveiwed by the FBI. Lawyers routinely use electronic discovery programs to aid in reviewing e-mails and other digital records. One of the most useful features of those programs is that they identify and remove duplicate emails, which can save countless hours of review time. So yes, it is entirely plausible that Mr. Comeys team used one of these programs to vet the 650,000 emails.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

      But unlikely. She’s as guilty as sin as are the rest of them. If one goes, they all are in danger, much like pulling a thread. Comey has betrayed his office. Hopefully renegade agents will continue to submarine her and the rest of this Satanic Cabal.

  6. Gerald Greene November 7, 2016 at 9:31 am #

    Homey D. Clown for President. Sounds like an improvement over the two choices Americans have tomorrow. As James says, whoever wins loses. Big trouble is on the way for the USA.

  7. pequiste November 7, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    Sore throat Jim?

    Nope – sorry – the Fat Lady has had a tracheotomy and is trying to sing with one of the newest electro-larynx speech aids. Mozart it aint.

    Additionally, a result of this fantastical electoral silly season, the Fat Lady has also had to have an ostomy bag attached due to failure of the excretory system and the overload of toxic waste emanating from the body politic. (The fine folks in the “health care” industries are merrily providing the patient with every sort of client need to be sure however ObamaCare premiums will be raised to cover the billing shortfall and the medical doctor’s new Bentleys.)

    Should be an outstanding finale tomorrow. Optimally like the final Commendatore scene in Don Giovanni.

    • sprawlcapital November 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      PQ–. . . the Fat Lady has had a tracheotomy . . .
      =======================================
      More likely that would be a laryngectomy (I did not check the spelling), which is removal of the vocal chords. I think with a tracheotomy the person would still be able to speak just by sealing the opening in the neck with their hand, thus directing air over the vocal chords, so no electronic speech generator would be needed. Pretty gruesome, isn’t it?

      • pequiste November 8, 2016 at 12:41 am #

        Yes you are correct Sprawl: the larynx cut out, usually due to cancer……..

        I used tracheotomy (the old hole in the throat) because when I was growing up there was a old guy in the neighborhood who had the electrolarynx device due to throat cancer and also a hole in the throat for breathing and also smoking the occasional coffin nail as he did not quite get the message that smoking can and will fuck-you-up good. All the kids were fascinated by the old guy with his “robot” voice monotone buzzing and that occasional cigarette being puffed on through his throat hole. Most adults were repulsed. He had a saying that when something was awful it was “as funny as a tracheotomy.”

  8. outsider November 7, 2016 at 9:51 am #

    Mr. K, if it was just my wife and me, I’d be more that ready for a “World Made by Hand.” Actually, we have no survival skills, so we’d soon be dead if the nuke didn’t hit us first. But I have kids. The only chance, small as it may be, to avoid the world of your excellent dystopian novels, is to take a walk on the wild side and elect Trump. But, as persecuted hero Julian Assange tells us: “Trump will not be permitted to win.”

    • sprawlcapital November 7, 2016 at 10:17 am #

      Iowa is predicted to go for Trump by a large margin, so I have the luxury of voting my conscience, third party, without it making a difference in the result.

      I could support Trump on the issues of immigration and bad trade deals, but as has been said before about one of the candidates or the other, he has more baggage than Delta Airlines. Hillary, on the other hand, has more baggage than the Berlin Airlift.

      If Hillary wins, I think there will be enough citizens not yet subdued by Paxil, Zoloft, or Prozac to make her attempts at governing seem not just lame, but pathetic. Like JHK, I kind of, sort of, hope she wins. She deserves the sorry fate that will be the Oval Office.

      • stelmosfire November 7, 2016 at 11:03 am #

        I’m from Mass. and like Ney Yook my voit don’count. Dannyboy you can bite me!!

        • stelmosfire November 7, 2016 at 11:04 am #

          my comment was for the bot. Sorry I had to insert it here.

        • dannyboy November 7, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

          “Ney Yook”

          New York

      • newworld November 7, 2016 at 11:09 am #

        I guess you are from DesMoines? I like the signs just West of it that reference sprawl, and I hate driving thru that city for some reason.

        • sprawlcapital November 7, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

          NW–
          Yes my home is in Des Moines proper, on what I call the outer edge of the inner city. Many nice homes like ours, but also some blight. The people with enough money, mostly white, live in the far out suburbs, on what was recently farmland. They thus show what they think of diversity.

          I used to sign my comments something like “From Des Moines, Iowa, the Sprawl Capital of the World.” That’s because the best farmland in the world is in central Iowa, where Des Moines is located; and urban sprawl is destroying that land–for all practical purposes, forever.

          Land here is the best in the world for farming for two reasons: the incredibly rich soil, and the rainfall, which makes irrigation unnecessary. Granted, there is good land in the Central Valley of California, but without irrigation water brought in at great expense from several states distant, it is too dry to produce a good crop.

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 10:19 am #

      No you are quite right, business as usual will prevail until it no longer can. That’s the way the world works and anything else would be too much work.

  9. erik November 7, 2016 at 10:17 am #

    What makes anyone think that an “epic ordeal” will result in the country “straightening itself out” ?
    Whatever gets straightened out in the end won’t be the country we grew up with, but something else or “somethings else” occupying the same land mass.

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 10:26 am #

      Brains are wired for cornicopianism. Like children we want to believe in happy endings and an “epic ordeal” is a trial by fire with a happy ending. It is just our brains doing what they do best, deceiving us and making us believe that reality always has a sweet chewey center even when it does not.

      The truth is that there is no epic ordeal before us from which we can ‘break on through to the other side’. Our future will be a long emergency without end. There is no other side.

  10. Piper Michael November 7, 2016 at 10:26 am #

    Good morning James,
    Homey D. Clown? Ok then, you just voted for Hillary AND Trump, by default… even though your conscience is clear, as Ayn Rand said; You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of reality.

    And I thought you were such a ‘reality’ guy?
    But I do understand… I wrote in Mickey Mouse last time instead of voting for Romney, and thus, with 4 million others, assured another term of Obama. Just like in ’92 I voted for Perot, and thus assured the Clinton the First by a minority vote.

    Either way, destiny assures we will get the Leader we deserve.
    But with turnout numbers of people who’ve never voted before, and the mood on the street, I have a prediction for you, the Gomer Pyle election, you remember what Gomer was famous for saying?
    SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 10:29 am #

      Homey D. Clown? Ok then, you just voted for Hillary AND Trump, by default.

      That is a thought stopper that has been stopping thoughts for at least fifty years. The true answer is no. A vote for Homey D Clown is actually a vote for:

      Homey D Clown!

  11. Htruth November 7, 2016 at 10:36 am #

    There is no doubt Hillary will be elected. The democracy is in peril as the takers outnumber the givers, youtu.be/FMAt4BCQhpI

  12. Beryl of Oyl November 7, 2016 at 10:46 am #

    A friend of mine, a foreigner here legally, had a question for me. He had come back from an event where funds were being raised for the young man severely burned in a crash recently. He wanted to know why, now that we have “universal coverage” under Obamacare, it was necessary for the friends and family of the patient to raise money. That’s a good question.
    Trump said pussy eleven years ago, so now that issue is delegitimized?
    Where were all these defenders of womanhood when Obama decided to force mentally disturbed men on women in changing rooms and bathrooms?
    Speaking of the mentally disturbed, where did the pictures that were Huma’s stated reason for her divorce come from? Yes, they came from Anthony’s phone, or from the phone of the woman he was texting with, but she didn’t give them to the Post, and he certainly didn’t, so who did?
    I see that the “victim” in the other texting episode in the news, now 16, has written a diatribe against James Comey which appeared in a thing called Buzzfeed. Actually, she didn’t; sixteen year old girls do not write or think that way, especially ones who are into texting dirty old men.
    The people who habitually wallow in this sort of filth, and have the absolute power over the media, that they can put up any sort of distraction, deflection, or coverup and have it go unchallenged, are dangerous people.
    Like your freedom to have a contrary opinion? Did you like your doctor?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:12 pm #

      The equation of the sins of Mr Trump and those of the Clintons is simply fatuous. People have no sense of proportionality any more after generations of media hype.

      I must admit Trump probably did run some little people over and of course gave campaign contributions to Democratic politicians. Such sins are called “business” and the bribes are the cost of doing business in much of America. Now he says he wants to give back and is greedy for Americans to get their share. I say we give him his shot.

    • elysianfield November 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

      “especially ones who are into texting dirty old men.”

      Beryl,
      Dirty old men? Allow me an insight. The only difference between clean old men and dirty old men is…judgment. Opportunity can be argued but Judgment defines the difference.

  13. PeteAtomic November 7, 2016 at 10:54 am #

    No, no, no, no, Mr. Jim. No.

    Elon Musk was on the radio this AM telling everybody that “robots will take over much of the US economy” to such a degree that the Gub’t will have to pay all of us some kind of monthly discretionary standard of living payment.

    So, not to worry! Oh, and BTW, he also is going to colonize Mars, as well.

    🙂

    • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:21 am #

      Over 20 years ago a book appeared.
      It is ‘The End of Work’–Rifkin.

      I bought it thinking, UTOPIA.

      Uh, no, more like 1984. Billions unemployed.
      JHK looks at non renewable resources and ‘carrying capacity’ while Rifkin looks at robotics.
      The Chinese and their slave labor wont be needed. However those Chinese billionaires will sit at the head of the table.

      So the last 30 years of out sourcing were ‘just a blip’ on the way to a brave new world order.

    • stelmosfire November 7, 2016 at 11:46 am #

      I would like to see a robot trim a fruit tree intelligently, it will never happen! Never mind picking fruit with an eye for quality. I use a 12 ft orchard ladder and a 16 ft. orchard pole . Ai is cool but there is never gonna be a substitute for reason and common sense. A machine can build a car, I would like one to diagnose and tear down an engine, never mind replace a head gasket or weld a rusted frame where it was needed. How about going in the basement and fixing a leaky pipe? Call the robo plumber and tell him to find the leak, it is not going to happen. Try getting a robot to pull 200 ft. of hose,climb 4 flights, find the sweet spot and put the wet stuff on the red stuff. It ain’t gonna happen for a thousand years.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

        We are going to make you into an android though. Have you seen Robo Cop? That’s your future.

    • routersurfer November 7, 2016 at 6:14 pm #

      Apply the 80/20 rule to the human, robot problem. The richest 20% will be serviced by the 80%. Which will be robots. Made by Hand MAY be replaced by Made by Command. The need for unskilled labor will be over soon. Just wonder how the board will be cleared. Enjoy the election. It will change nothing.

  14. orbit7er November 7, 2016 at 10:55 am #

    As an IT professional for decades I would like to reply to this statement: “Like, his peeps actually vetted 650,000 emails in a week?”
    Certainly! What do they have to identify? Basically if the email comes
    from Hillary Clinton or not to see if Hillary sent any classified emails which si the only indictable offense. In any email system it is relatively easy on just a normal personal computer to find all the email from any sender. With the FBI’s far more powerful computers it is even easier.
    It also does not take that long to do a text search through thousands of text emails even just to search for whatever Hillary Clinton’s email address was wherever it was in the emails, whether the mail headers or the text. The mail headers are always in text hence easily searchable. So this is a Red Herring..
    I am no Hillary Clinton fan, I planned from the start to vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party until Berne Sanders ran and then I gave him my money and my vote. But some of the attacks on Hillary are really out of line. Fellow progressives have also been unfair to her – if you read some of the Wikileaked emails you find that to her credit, Hillary Clinton, even in her overpaid speeches to the banksters insisted on her support for ending the carried interest loophole which allowed Hedge Fund cannibals like John Paulson to pay only 15% in taxes on an astonishing $1 Billion of income in just one year.
    I do not understand why Kunstler has not backed the Green Transition plans of the Greens and Jill Stein or why he continues to repeat some of the right wing shibboleths long proven false. Kunstler bashed Bernie Sanders as well before he was stiffed out of the race by the Corporate Democratic machine.
    We are living on this planet together whatever our race or where we happen to live at the moment and there is no telling where the chaos of Climate Change will strike next. For me we need to save all humanity and a civilized sustainable life, not just white American males or any other group.
    We can only do that together.
    The nuclear fallout from above-ground nuclear tests did not just stay in the American desert or South Pacific. It was found in the Arctic and all over the world. Pollution and planetary destruction knows no boundaries or walls…

    • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:22 am #

      Bernie was a sell out and AGW is a tax scam.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

      Yes, Mr Kunstler’s refusal is mysterious. Perhaps it’s a rejection of the foolish globalism of people like that? We can’t save the whole world, guy. We’ll be lucky to save ourselves – and that means keeping people different from us out. Only Whites care about these issues, hate to break it to you….

    • routersurfer November 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm #

      Very well said. Thank you. Back to reading my 50+ year old copy of Silent Spring.

  15. barbisbest November 7, 2016 at 11:05 am #

    Hey bro. You should find this one thought inspiring, if you’re reading. You’re the bomb. M wah. Wow orbit7er quite a post you got up there. Very provocative. Thanks.

  16. zekesdad November 7, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    Voter participation in all of America’s elections is pretty low. The question I have is will Comey’s decision energize and enrage Trump’s followers to put him over the top, or will it so demoralize them that Hillary wins by a landslide? We’ll soon find out. Personally, I was going to leave the vote for president and vice president blank, and do my civic duty by voting for all the other candidates, bond issues, etc. No more. I’d vote for Bozo the clown, if he were the Republican candidate if that will keep that mendacious woman from becoming president. In fact I will be voting for Bozo the clown’s brother.

    • volodya November 7, 2016 at 11:55 am #

      I think the choice is either incompetence or criminality. You’re voting for incompetence. That’s fine. Your decision I think is valid.

  17. barbisbest November 7, 2016 at 11:19 am #

    Orbit7er.. Appreciate your post for several things especially about saving all humanity. and it brings to mind the idea that, if man can create the problem, man can fix it. Its a good post. Mr. Kunstler Probably true who wins loses. Still, somehow it seems like poetic justice that of the largest male e go’s ever to Grace the planet will be the first in American history to lose to a woman. Awful as she us. Insert grimace here.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      As Camille Paglia said, but for men, women would still be living in grass huts. Your sex lacks the Fire of Creativity – which is fine. It can often be used for evil in any case. But your lack of gratitude for what you have been given? Damning.

  18. malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:26 am #

    : Clinton headlined fundraiser for campaign group which gave $500,000 to wife of FBI boss who investigated her emails – and it’s closely linked to Hillary’s bid for power

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3876506/Hillary-Clinton-headlined-fundraiser-campaign-group-gave-500-00…

  19. malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:29 am #

    Podesta – Marina A

    First, why was this article detailing Podesta’s naked teenager artwork scrubbed from your site? Is WaPo doing damage control?

    archive.is/mqIuh

    Second, why did the Clinton Foundation donate to this woman, which can be found on page 66 on their 2011 form 990? 990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive

    • snarkmatic9000 November 7, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

      Ummm… the art is Tony Podesta’s, not his brother John’s…

  20. malthuss November 7, 2016 at 11:35 am #

    There are excellent arguments for a “time-out” from immigration.

    Jim K, In your life has the population of the USA doubled?
    170m to 340m?

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

      Might overpopulation be one of them?

    • beantownbill. November 7, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

      I remember back in third grade the US population was 140 million.

      • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 12:46 pm #

        Thanks. Getting close to tripling.

  21. barbisbest November 7, 2016 at 11:38 am #

    Nothing wrong with male ego, just when you’re a buffoon too when it can be a problem. D. J. Trump could have won this if he could have controlled his mouth. He still could, but Its unlikely. Everyone sucks big-time 2016.

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

      That would have been like a leopard changing it’s spots and it is too late for him now. He got what he wanted and now it is time for him to move on.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

      No, that he shoots from the hip and is out of control is why we love him. He is the opposite of the cool, calculated evil that rules us. His sins, such as they are, are forgivable. Those of the Clintons and the Democrat Cabal are not.

      Yet he can do fine work and show sensitivity as well. Cold, calculating Hillary is the one threatening nuclear war with Russia. Have you forgotten that? And both she and Obama laugh about killing people, just as she laughed about getting a rapist off early in her legal career.

  22. volodya November 7, 2016 at 11:48 am #

    AS JHK sez, the grand poobahs of banking PRETEND to be confounded.

    They poobahs (and their oligarch cohorts) PRETEND because they would know that they fucked up royally, that the global regime of production and consumption that they built isn’t working and can’t possibly work.

    And they know that the QE, ZIRP, NIRP sleight of hand and all the lever pulling from the almighty Fed are mere distractions from this central fact.

    They would also know that the way out of this mess is akin to zig-zagging down a cliff with crumbly dirt and stones underfoot and a long, steep vertical drop. Extreme hazard, no guarantee of success.

    Regardless, even if it was easy, the way down the precipice is unpalatable. It would mean that all the money they expended to buy Washington to get globalization done is lost. And they won’t contemplate that.

    And it would involve two other things that they dismiss out of hand, paying Chinese workers enough to buy what they make and paying American workers enough to make what they buy. Re-localization, IOW which itself would cost money, money that only the poobahs and their oligarch cohorts have.

    For the sake of self preservation I would think that the poobahs and oligarchs would embark on this mission right fucking now. IMO it’s the only way forward. Seriously, I think they’re fully aware too that it’s this way or the abyss.

    But would they risk some of their fortune in order to preserve some of it? I doubt it, I think they’d rather the global economic and financial system collapse. The abyss is their choice.

    I don’t think they’re willing to admit that they misconceived the post Cold War global economic system. I don’t think they’re willing to admit that they’re responsible for China’s rise as a world industrial power and military adversary.

    I’ll bet they’re willing to set off a mad and deadly scramble after the crash. Why? I think each is confident that they would be the survivor and the other guy would be the dead man. Those carcasses floating in the river would be somebody else’s, not theirs.

    • jgarciaj November 7, 2016 at 12:28 pm #

      JHK:

      Great to read you and Chris Hedges on Monday mornings and the wonderful insight each of you provide. You don’t agree as he is for Jill Stien and you are for Homey. But this week you do agree regarding your view “Just about anything may rise up across America after that — the true corn-pone Nazi who succeeds Trump in the meshuggeneh branch of conservative politics… a second civil war… or a World Made By Hand. I detect a general awareness that the country must pass through some epic ordeal to straighten itself out.” as Chris Hedges writes “The rise of Donald Trump is the product of the disenchantment, despair and anger caused by neoliberalism and the collapse of institutions that once offered a counterweight to the powerful. Trump gives vent to the legitimate rage and betrayal of the white underclass and working poor. His right-wing populism, which will grow in virulence and sophistication under a Clinton presidency, mirrors the right-wing populism rippling across much of Europe including Poland, Hungary, France and Great Britain. If Clinton wins, Trump becomes the dress rehearsal for fascism.” a dress rehearsal it tis. God help us?

      Wallerstein wrote in the eighties that the 1960s was just a dress rehearsal for the social strife that awaits us.

      truthdig.com/report/item/defying_the_politics_of_fear_20161106

      Thank for you continued spot on analysis!

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:35 pm #

        Yes, Trump is our War Chief, the last chance for Whites and Western Culture on this continent and perhaps the world. Or – at least the last chance for peaceful change.
        Just the other day, Bill Maher was apologizing for calling Romney and McCain, Hitler. They wasted their best shot on their own dupes and cucks. Classic! Now no one believes or cares what they think.

    • ozone November 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      “But would they risk some of their fortune in order to preserve some of it? I doubt it, I think they’d rather the global economic and financial system collapse. The abyss is their choice.”

      V.
      I’m certain that this will be their choice – even knowing what they must know! After all, they believe that they can leap off the edge of the precipice and will be saved by opening their golden parachutes. (Remember them?) When chaos comes to uncontrollable upheaval, they’ve either forgotten (or are in denial) that they will be the very first targets of retribution. Strange, that.

      Your post ties in with what I had just pointed out to an analyst on the factions in the M.E. who enjoy pursuing their squabbles with deadly weaponry. …He simply hadn’t entertained the notion that perhaps the horror that the USA had brought to this circus was to *promote* and *provoke* instability and eternal political imbalance and non-consensus. I told him that including this little factor might make all the tangled chaos a bit clearer. (There are pipelines to be built, resources to be controlled and money to be made, after all.)

      Messy, but preferable to losing some of their vast piles of loot.

    • routersurfer November 7, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

      I do not think the bankers screwed up. Just a bunk of capitalistic tree rats picking up nuts before the long hard winter of no growth. How do you charge interest on flesh eating zombies? The world of the rag picker starts soon.

  23. K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 12:21 pm #

    “That currently overshadowed case is not closed. It sends up the odor not of a single rotting carp but of an entire whale pod dead on the beach. Half the emirs in Arabia dropped millions on the foundation to facilitate arms deals or to influence policy at State, and that was only part of what looks exactly like a classic racketeering operation. The Clinton Foundation story is not going away anytime soon and it will suck all the air out of the public arena for as far ahead as anyone can see when Hillary is in the oval office.”

    And that is the core of the matter for soon Trump will be back to playing golf. As the long emergency progresses the divide between those still able to get by and those not so lucky will widen into a vast gulf as those able to get by will have it very very good though their number will decline with time. Those not so lucky will simply be fucked and they will be legion. They will be me any you.

    The spectre of corruption will hang heavy in the air as the inaugural oath is spoken and the hand is raised. In her mind the other hand will be behind her back with crossed fingers.

    Corruption will fuel the trend of the fortunate and powerful to decline to in number yet to ever continue to increase in power and influence. The air will be sucked from the public arena and public issues will be lost in the din of long emergency sirens for eight long and painful years.

    • K-Dog November 7, 2016 at 12:22 pm #

      – They will be me and you.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:39 pm #

      Trump’s plan will return vast number of jobs to America. And there is enough coal to fuel us for centuries. Nation states minimize the rot you see. Strong borders. Self sufficiency. Globalism is simply a cancer. Cancer cells hate strong borders, favoring rotting masses of poor defined cells.

      • sharonsj November 7, 2016 at 5:00 pm #

        Trump has no plan. Nor will he return jobs to America–he’s busy outsourcing all his work right now when not hiring illegal aliens. As for coal, I guess you forgot about acid rain, dying miners, and climate change. This nation has many problems but hiring a self-absorbed huckster like Trump will solve none of them and, personally, I find everyone surrounding him, from his Dominionist VP to his creepy safari-hunting sons, downright scary.

      • routersurfer November 7, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

        Return of jobs???? How can I become so optimistic? The only jobs will be farm work or prospecting in landfills. With coal we may rebuild the trains but a high tech army requires trace metals and minerals not found in the Americas. The industrialized state is over. The fork was put in the rust belt decades ago. China now builds the best and largest Super Computers, made with only Chinese made parts. We can no longer do that. We are importers. We do not even have the starter stock.

  24. mj_crites November 7, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

    The review of the “clinton” emails found that they were duplicates. There’s software that can tell you this in a manner of minutes. The FBI could also be looking for things like email addresses certain key words and again this can be done in a couple minutes using software.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

      Plausible deniability is the god of the bureaucrat. You do their work for them for free – an intern!

      • Elrond Hubbard November 7, 2016 at 10:21 pm #

        Interesting you would say that, actually. People knowledgeable about technology (including one Edward Snowden, no slouch in the tech department) have assessed the effort of de-duplicating 650,000 e-mails as equal to an ‘overnight hackathon by an intern‘:

        geekwire.com/2016/fbi-650000-emails-edward-snowden/

        Dunno how big the 650,000 e-mails are in megabytes, but if we hazard 10K per e-mail that works out to ~6.2 GB of text. By contrast, Google had indexed 20 petabytes’ worth of data according to this article:

        geekwire.com/2016/fbi-650000-emails-edward-snowden/

        That was three years ago, so let’s say it has doubled since then, or 40 PB, which is nearly 6.8 million times the size of the e-mail cache from Carlos Danger’s phone. Yet that 40 PB of data is fully searchable within seconds and you get results literally keystroke by keystroke. In other words, today’s technology is easily equal to the task and the FBI surely has the resources to accomplish it. Yes, they could be lying, but scoffing proves nothing. More evidence is needed.

  25. capt spaulding November 7, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

    Just like the great depression presaged the rise of the nazi party, the great recession along with middle class job losses have presaged the rise of the alt-right, personified by Trump. Regardless of who wins, this Clusterfuck is just beginning. By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes.

  26. volodya November 7, 2016 at 12:45 pm #

    To paraphrase Theresa May, if you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nothing and you don’t know the meaning of the word “citizen”.

    What ruling elites tried to do for a couple generations and especially since the end of the Cold War was to invalidate the idea of family, community, culture, country. Why? It’s simple, such ideas get in the way of the elites making money. No, seriously, they see such things as obstructions, especially national borders that control movement of people and capital.

    Family? You must be joking, get your ass to work, you are ON CALL 24/7. Community? Fuck off, per Thatcher, there’s no such thing. Culture? In the hands of white people, the vehicle for racism and religious stupidity. Country? As backward an idea as there is.

    Er, at least as far as elites are concerned. The preferred method of the elite was ridicule and condescension. If you were for these outmoded ideas, you were uneducated, not a progressive, you were beyond help, a clinger to guns and religion.

    What’s been happening lately is for various national leaders to call bullshit on the whole thing, those being Bernie and Trump on this side of the pond – though Bernie sold his soul – but on the other side of the water, Jeremy Corbyn and a raft of others all over Europe.

    Global interdependence? Get lost, what about national firewalls in the event of economic collapse? Economic growth? Yeah, great, but people need to work and earn, it can’t be just for the top 10%. It can’t be just about the needs of the top tier and it can’t be just about money but about other things necessary for survival, a sense of self and community and societal cohesion.

    If the elite showed brutal indifference to everyone’s else’s interests they can expect the same in return. What goes around comes around.

  27. shabbaranks November 7, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

    $5 says Donald Trump wins the election tomorrow.

    SP500 will head down to 1700 by the end of December.

    President Obama will pardon Secretary Clinton by the time he leaves office in January 2017.

    The recession of 2017 begins in Q1-2017 as GDP growth will be negative for Q4-2016 and Q1-2017 (two consecutive quarters).

    US economic slowdown will blow up OPEC and Russian plans to limit oil production.

    Price of WTI Crude will touch $40 during intraday trading at some point in 2017.

  28. barbisbest November 7, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

    You’re voting for. H. C. Homey. H Hillary clown. Clinton then. Glad to know you’re not abandoning your party. For assange to say trump won’t be permitted to win is. B. S. He helped himself lose this fair and square with his mouth. In this case I think assange is full of it.

  29. venuspluto67 November 7, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

    A Facebook friend posted a question asking from where people would be monitoring the election. He probably meant to ask what media people would observe, but he received responses more along the lines of: “From a bomb shelter.” “At the bar getting drunk.” “Costa Rica.” “Under my bed.”

    • sharonsj November 7, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

      That’s like the poll that asked, “Would you rather spend more time following the election or have the Earth hit by an asteroid?” Something like 85% chose the asteroid.

  30. capt spaulding November 7, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

    Predicting the future: 2016: Trump can’t win. 2017: President Trump can’t do that can he? 2018: Are you watching the Hunger Games tonite? I hope my district wins.

  31. Buck Stud November 7, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

    After the election it would be nice to start discussing some “structural’ issues every now and then. This is a fascinating essay from the great Thomas Frank on the notion of “vibrancy”:

    “Others have spelled out the formula in more detail. We build prosperity by mobilizing art-people as vibrancy shock troops and counting on them to . . . well . . . gentrify formerly bedraggled parts of town. Once that mission is accomplished, then other vibrancy multipliers kick in. The presence of hipsters is said to be inspirational to businesses; their doings make cities interesting and attractive to the class of professionals that everyone wants; their colorful japes help companies to hire quality employees, and so on. All a city really needs to prosper is group of art-school grads, some lofts for them to live in, and a couple of thrift stores to supply them with the ironic clothes they crave. Then we just step back and watch them work their magic.”

    thebaffler.com/articles/dead-end-on-shakin-street

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 2:45 pm #

      Hipster flash mobs are sudden, mass dancing. Black flash mobs are sudden mass smash and grabs. Same technology, used by a different people equals different results.

  32. laceration November 7, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

    As one who has been bringing up the “fuck you” argument here recently, good to see it addressed at least. What I am perplexed about is this sensibility people with a leftist background have. Mr. Kunstler has it too: “behavior so oafish and crude”. Even though I am of a Leftist background myself, I just do not have an antenna for this. When I am mixing it up with (leftist type) people this kind of thing is always brought up. I don’t know if this is some aspect of political correctness, but it is the elevation of an abstract ethic of manners over ideas. Mr. Kunstler can at least see there is idea behind the rhetoric as he points out about immigration, but with most it stops before then. What you get is nodding agreement of facile sensibilities, while a politician who speaks from what he feels and thinks can actually lift people to new ideas. That is what Trump has done. The conservative proles are now newly behind anti-corporate, anti-war and anti-establisment ideas. What is it where people cannot just see that it is worthwhile to support the good over the bad, taking a stand? So far our demise into dystopia has not erupted but has been a slow bloodletting. What if Hillary gets in and things do not come to a head…again, blame is not assigned, dissent continues to be obscured into the back alleys as the internet gets subsumed into the MSM conglomeration? Then you notice too much blood has been drawn and there is nothing left but your own torpor. I say throw a fuck you bomb at the putrid Establishment. I already voted for Trump…and I don’t think I have to explain to people here that he or any President will not solve our problems.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      Yes, their condemnation of Trump is the triumph of style and tribe over substance. And as ever, they blithely fail to observe that the Corporations believe and support most of what they believe. Every little SJW is an unpaid public relations intern.

      And of course the DNC Cult itself is all this and more. If Buck got a baby’s head in the mail from Hillary, he would be beside himself with joy, eagerly putting it at the top of his Christmas Tree (if he only had one…).

    • James Howard Kunstler November 7, 2016 at 3:34 pm #

      Laceration — I am not a Leftie, so fuck you on that. Donald Trump could have gotten his points across without acting like an eleven-year-old, but he is too incoherent. There’s no question his behavior made him look unfit for high office. — JHK

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

        Mumford, following Jacob Burkhardt, predicted the rise of the “Great Simplifiers”. They are inevitable and salutary when men refuse to act. So many sophisticated men could have come forward to say what needed to be said – but none of them did. Too frightened or simply too owned. Few men could overcome this and only One Man has. We support Him. We can do nothing else.

        Btw, did you ever watch The Apprentice? Completely different energy. Have you heard his later speeches, like the classic Gettysburg? No incoherence there. He read from a teleprompter and he did so very well, ad libbing at times. There are many Trumps. I think he is far more sophisticated than you imagine. He gave the beaten down White Peasants the Tribal Leader they needed. God bless him.

        He himself said in an interview, that he knew a dozen people off the top of his head who could govern America well as Executive. But, he said, none of them could get elected.

      • elysianfield November 7, 2016 at 6:02 pm #

        Mr, Kunstler,
        With all respect…Trump’s buffoonery netted him, by some accounts, billions of dollars in free advertising from his detractors. This election cycle was a real-time example of bad publicity being better than none. He was a spectacle…Jerry Springer-esque, The spectacle netted him the Republican nomination…besting a large field of near-respectable candidates…not to mention succeeding in the nomination despite the enmity of the majority of the Republican leadership. The campaign was not pretty, nor civil, nor respectable…and yet, here we are.

        Is Trump truly a clown, or has the media been played? Is there even a 10% chance that his lack of coherence was an act? Have we witnessed a new paradigm? Elections as low entertainment?

        Is Trump room-temperature IQ stupid, or brilliant. I don’t know.

        • Frankiti November 7, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

          He’s a hustler forged in the crucible of NYC… and an entertainer. This is a big hustle and the marks are many. The irony being that he is acting the part of the true, the throwback, the vintage American politician. Speaking simply, talking trash, taking shots, swinging for the fences. He brought it back. Away from the open hand gestures and insincere PC gobbledygook that people can no longer tolerate. He brought back a fashion, he brought it back… again.

      • Frankiti November 7, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

        Where Clinton is known to be unfit but only rather looks, or appears to be fit, on account of her and Bill’s incredible ability to deflect, deny and, divorce themselves from their many crimes. This is because people, and they most surely know it, prefer to suspend disbelief, deny reality, sequester the truth than to confront it. They would rather believe the lie (religion) than digest the truth.

        Cowards.

      • laceration November 8, 2016 at 11:32 am #

        JHK, I did not state you were a Leftie. The most I did was sort of infer you have a leftist background, which I am pretty sure is true. I wrote that you too had the sensibility that I was perplexed by–maybe its a vestigial thing. I would never insult you so grievously, I have too much respect for you. I have read all your Monday blogs since 2005 or something and many of your books. I am aware of the nuance and breadth of your thought and would never pigeonhole you as “Leftie” and did not mean to characterize your thought as such. Pardon me if it came off that way.
        Trump comes off like William Jennings Bryan when compared to Bush II, so why is there another magnitude of vitriol about him… while he echoes populist themes?? This whole equivalence thing about how they both suck plays right into the hands of the status quo. There is no equivalence.

  33. SidewaysFacingDog November 7, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

    JHK says: ” better for Hillary to win, because that way the right people (the gang already in power) will be blamed for the descent into the maelstrom and will be expeditiously swept away.”
    ———–

    yea, swept away for 4 maybe 8 years and then her and/or her gang of enforcers return to do their corporatists controller’s bidding. Rinse and repeat.

    Dems/Repubs whatever. 2 sides of the same corrupt bird. Even a Trump, as much of an outsider as he may be. is still only a few more degrees off of the “acceptable center”.

    If voting actually changed anything, it would be illegal. What we get is the USA version of Chinese elections where you get to choose only approved members of the Communist Party. Voting for Candidate A or Candidate B is in the final analysis creates only a distinction without a difference… maybe a difference of small degrees.

    Really, the corporations largely dictate the strategic direction of the USA. A few scandals here and there; a politician being removed; or some wanderings off the defined direct path is no big deal in the final analysis for the corporations.

    And, tou don’t get to vote for them. You get to choose which approved sock puppet they either want or will tolerate.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

      Trump is a Nationalist. Yuge difference. He believe in Corporations and International Trade, but only under the auspices of the Nation State. The Government does not give up its place to the Corporations in other words. He’s not a Plutocrat, but a Fascist. Yuge difference, 180 degrees.

  34. seawolf77 November 7, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

    Wop supposedly means with out papers, but Wikipedia says that is false because papers weren’t required and Acronyms didn’t become vogue until after WW2 and Space program. Dick Gregory says Honky comes from white visiting black whorehouses and since they wouldn’t want to be seen they would drive their car up and honk, and some one would come and park their cars. The fat lady singing allegedly comes from the robust female sopranos in operas i.e. the opera isn’t over till the fat lady sings. She’s a bombshell comes from the Miss Atomic Bomb beauty pageant they used to have in Las Vegas when nuclear bomb explosions was local entertainment and they would have Bomb Parties like we have Hurricane parties. Funny I’ve never seen any home movies of atomic bombs on youtube and I’ve looked.

  35. BackRowHeckler November 7, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

    ‘Homey D Clown, he don’t mess around’

    See, what did I tell you, CFNers?

    The Clown Apocalypse is upon us. There’s no escaping it, except paint your face and attach a rubber ball to your nose, yes, join The Clown Apocalypse.

    The Insane Clown Posse is the next presidential cabinet, and from here on in we’re all Juggalos!

    brh

  36. FincaInTheMountains November 7, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

    Presentation of Trump as “anti-system candidate,” is fundamentally wrong. He is quite systemic, well integrated into the American elite, but the fact is that within the American elite now there is unprecedented in cruelty internal struggle between the two camps, whose principle interests, images of the future, and even ideology are far from being the same.

    The fundamental problem lies in the fact that there is simply not enough money for all, and it’s impossible to find a way to compromise.

    Trump is being supported by developers (including the “infrastructure”), oil, coal miners, some pharmacological lobby and part of the agro-business, as well as vanishingly small formation of manufacturers who did not move their facilities to China or Mexico.

    For example, the Republican nominee promises to take away from the military “trillions” that Washington spends on international interventions, and spend it on infrastructure projects in the United States that causes the wild enthusiasm from developers and the whole building lobby, but also becomes a cause of hatred in a significant portion of companies that are involved with defense budget.

    Such unsolvable conflicts lurk behind every group that supports Trump or Clinton. And you need to add an ideological component, which is linked to the fact that part of the American elite has quite tangible religious identity (if you want, “the religious tribalism,” which should not be confused with a real commitment to a particular religion).

    Now, the conflict within the elite has a religious connotation including the fact that the inner circle of Clinton is known for its, to put it mildly, dislike of Catholics (it was made public through letters published by “Wikileaks”) and making plans for a “Catholic Spring” (similar to the “Arab spring”).

    gop.com/more-anti-catholic-emails-from-team-clinton/

  37. Cactus Girl November 7, 2016 at 2:24 pm #

    “A mighty nausea wells up across the land as the awful day cometh.”

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    Thanks for the laugh, Jim—I really needed a good laugh this week.

    • ozone November 7, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

      CG,
      I liked that one too. 🙂

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

        Can she called you Oz? It’s better than Ozzy…

        • Cactus Girl November 7, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

          Ozzy sounds cute 😉

          • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

            I think he’s available but be warned: he’s a man of hard discipline, the very Puritan Yankee archetype of sourness and acerbicity (noun form of acerbic?) Maybe you can sweeten this Judge Pyncheon. I just don’t want you waltz in unaware.

            I am or rather was, the wizard Mathew Maule, whom he put to death in Salem several lifetimes ago.

          • Cactus Girl November 7, 2016 at 8:34 pm #

            Ha ha ha ha, Janos. Don’t worry, I am probably old enpugh to be his grandma.

  38. FincaInTheMountains November 7, 2016 at 2:36 pm #

    It is easy to notice that all these conflicts are not situational but fundamental in nature, and they are not going anywhere after the elections, regardless of their results. In practice this means:

    Next US president will be weak. His/her legitimacy is called into question, and at least half of the population and a significant part of the elites will hate him/her;

    Solving the problem of legitimacy through repression is possible, but it will be very costly. We know from our own Russian experience that repression improve the manageability of the system, but beat out of it a large number of key managers, which are difficult to replace quickly and even more difficult to find a quality replacement.

    Moreover, the groups that are being repressed have a bad habit of exerting revenge, sabotage, and attracting foreign players to support their struggle for existence. In sum, these factors support the first conclusion. Even in the case of successful winner of repression towards the defeated system will be seriously weakened, and in the event of unfortunate circumstances may even collapse into a full-fledged civil war;

    The probability of the US falling into “institutional coma” due to which the state power structure actually can not run the country, should not be underestimated, and it is admitted even by such experts as Paul Krugman – an ardent supporter of Clinton – in an interview with Bloomberg: “The US is dangerously close to the failed state”

    Regardless of who or what is causing the polarization of American society and elites (here the Russian factor should not be overestimated), the United States acquires an important feature of Third World countries (or “banana republic”, or a failed state): in one country begin to live two communities, in parallel ideological, informational, and economic realities.

    More than half of the public do not trust the official authorities and the media. The American system was originally built by the imperial patterns of Rome (claims to be a New Rome and funny borrowing of Rome symbolic like “Senate” and “Capitol”), but the system can not function adequately if about half of citizens of the empire and much of the elite loses respect for its basic government institutions. If this happens, the US instead of Second Rome turns into a Third World.

    At least part of the expert community and the media in the West believe that in the US election Putin will win anyway. As an example of this position, you can take one of the last articles in the Financial Times, which is entirely devoted to a discussion of how effectively Putin exert a “revenge on Clinton” for her support in the elections 2011-2012 of Russia’s non-system opposition. The main conclusion Financial Times:

    Whatever the outcome of the election, Russians have already achieved important success. The next president will be the president of a very polarized society afflicted with conspiracy theories and skepticism with regard to important institutions, including the FBI. If Mr. Putin was looking for revenge, he already had his.

  39. I AM SULLY November 7, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

    You can still vote for Dr. Freckles Jim …

    He has a wonderful scheme to replace our failed republic:

    http://DFGTC.ORG

  40. ozone November 7, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

    JHK sez;
    “Much opinion “out there” contends that we will have to suffer an election overtime, with the results contested on every hill and molehill from sea to shining sea. That scenario suggests various outcomes, all of them pretty bad: 1) the election is once again relegated to a Supreme Court case, only this time it ends up a 4-4 tie. Constitutional crisis time. 2) Perhaps as a function of No. 1, it ends up in the US House of Representatives. The catch is: members aren’t limited to Trump or HRC. They can vote for whoever they like. 3) A lot of web chatter has President Obama invoking some sort of emergency with the election postponed until some conclave of political viziers can figure a way out of it. Unlikely, but possible.”

    I’d say that all three of these particular scenarios are unlikely. If we look back into the murky past, some 16 years, we see that the White House was infested with an evil scourge. A more scabrous, dangerous, and destructive gaggle of evil motherfuckers had never been installed by the rubes and court-minions posing as citizens of the US of A.

    …YET, after a short protestation of, “Hey, you forgot to count all the votes, or, er… some shit like that”, the populace sank back into contented slumber only to find an abrupt awakening when buildings in NYC crumbled into their footprints and the global war of terror commenced in front of their terrified and gullible eyes. Since then, capitulation, habituation and a lethal torpor spread with the passing years and the loss of memories as to “how it used to be”. This will continue until some REAL pain is felt by at least 15% of the populace and hope is abandoned as they realize that, yes Virginia, we have passed over the threshold of Hell. Only then will the give-a-shit (and its brother, nothing-to-lose) factor burst to the fore and all bets and contracts are ‘off’.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

      Well said. That’s what the Trump Movement is all about – and you’ve completely missed the Train. Cuz they don’t look right. They don’t wear the right blue jeans, read Marxist paperbacks, subscribe to the Nation or Mother Jones, etc.

      You are a fossil, Pete.

    • ozone November 7, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

      I don’t know why someone would approve of a comment that means the end of their one-and-only livelihood would be at hand upon its eventual consummation. (?) All tactics and no thought.

  41. Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

    Can we all agree at least that Anthony Scalia was murdered? I mean have you ever known anyone to sleep on their back with a pillow over their face? Or did he put it over his face as he was dying of a heart attack? C’mon – his killer left it there to mock us. What are we going to do about it? We can’t make the Media announce it. Or the police investigate it. Or even a county coroner do an autopsy. The local announced it was a heart attack over the phone. That was the end of it. Now, that’s power.

    Now imagine if Ginsberg was found dead in a similar condition in the house of a prominent Republican. Think things would have gone a bit differently?

    • S M Tenneshaw November 7, 2016 at 5:48 pm #

      No, that treasonous piece of filth known as 5-4 Tony wasn’t murdered, although he damn well should’ve been.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 7:49 pm #

        Wow, your hatred adds evidence to my case. The motivation was clearly there as your words show. Thank you.

  42. cowboy14 November 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

    Kunstler, I love you but when you are insinuating the exact same thing as Michael Flynn I can’t let that pass:

    yahoo.com/news/edward-snowden-crushes-conspiracy-theory-053349259.html

    • Frankiti November 7, 2016 at 8:21 pm #

      First off, Snowden is a glorified delinquent. A delinquent with skills on a computer with a Big Gulp at hand. Big f*****g deal. He’s not some computing genius, or a programmer, or a scientist. Riddle me this, if Comey could in fact vet all those emails in a few minutes “with a laptop” as Snowjob suggests, wouldn’t the more prudent decision by him have been to vet first and THEN announce the reopening???? O, and MOST likely, perhaps he did, but it was squashed nonetheless i.e., the true conspiracy.

      • cowboy14 November 7, 2016 at 10:08 pm #

        Yes, it would have been more prudent to vet first (as most commentators say).

        No, “Snowjob” isn’t saying he personally could actually vet in a couple minutes. He is a bureaucrat who had to have his people do it their own thorough way, apparently a week rather than a day.

        Just because people in positions of power occasionally lack prudence, or make mistakes, or bow to political pressure does not mean there is a grand conspiracy to make perfect sense of it all.

        See what orbit7er said above:

        ***

        As an IT professional for decades I would like to reply to this statement: “Like, his peeps actually vetted 650,000 emails in a week?”
        Certainly! What do they have to identify? Basically if the email comes
        from Hillary Clinton or not to see if Hillary sent any classified emails which si the only indictable offense. In any email system it is relatively easy on just a normal personal computer to find all the email from any sender. With the FBI’s far more powerful computers it is even easier.
        It also does not take that long to do a text search through thousands of text emails even just to search for whatever Hillary Clinton’s email address was wherever it was in the emails, whether the mail headers or the text. The mail headers are always in text hence easily searchable. So this is a Red Herring..

  43. SteveO November 7, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

    “Just about anything may rise up across America after that — the true corn-pone Nazi who succeeds Trump in the meshuggeneh branch of conservative politics… a second civil war… or a World Made By Hand.

    Why now all three in sequence?

    Presented for your contemplation:

    Hillary Clinton becomes the 45th president of these United States. About 18 months into her term, the financial system comes unglued for the last time. She spends the remaining 2 1/2 years attempting the same old solutions (QE, negative interest rates, bail out the big banks).

    In 2020, the Republican party nominates someone who has all of xenophobic, nationalistic, autocratic policies as Trump, but presents himself as smoothly as Ronald Reagan. He is defeated in a contest as close as Gore/Bush but settled by a supreme with no credibility with the people who supported this yet unknown Republican.

    Violence breaks out all over the country as the “disenfranchised” white population attacks minorities and government offices. This deteriorates into civil war.

    The resulting 10 year conflict destroys the remaining energy and transportation infrastructure and leaves the surviving people in “a world made by hand”.

    Cheery enough for you?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 7:55 pm #

      Probably the best case scenario I’ve seen yet. That’s a war we might win. We’re not united enough yet though. If they keep calling all our candidates “Nazis”, they might just get one soon. Cry wolf enough and the wolf will appear – and no one will believe you either (the usual moral of the story) until it’s too late.

    • BackRowHeckler November 7, 2016 at 10:43 pm #

      “as the ‘disenfranchised’ white population attacks minorities …”

      Hey SteveO, the main goal is to make ‘disenfranchised’ whites the minority population inside the US thru massive 3rd world immigration. Its been the goal since the mid 1960s. in a decade or so all demographic goals will have been met.

      That’s when the fun will really begin. Why should Muslims, Indians from Latin America, Asians and Africans give a sh-t about the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution? Those are white mans documents (besides, they’re racist). No, it won’t be ‘disenfranchised’ whites attacking minorities, but the former minority, now the majority, blaming whitey for everything that has gone wrong in a 3rd World sh-thole that resembles Camden, NJ or southside Chicago, and hunting him down like dogs.

      brh

  44. Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 4:22 pm #

    washingtonpost.com/politics/janet-reno-former-us-attorney-general-dies-at-78/2016/11/07/50fe8810-a4c…

    Democratic operative fakes an assassination attempt in Reno and then Janet Reno dies. Fool with Kek and he will fool with you. Praise Kek!

    Was it an attempt to embarrass Trump? It failed. He was steady as a rock – not a trace of fear on his face. And more: long term Republican Party operatives are in awe of Trump’s determination and physical endurance. The Man is a Bhim (the Hindu Hercules).

    • dannyboy November 7, 2016 at 4:32 pm #

      you have distorted Bhima beyond recognition

      what is it? your mind?

      • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 8:02 pm #

        No, it is or at least was, an actual Hindu expression.

    • malthuss November 7, 2016 at 4:37 pm #

      You tube Vloggers – Bloggers think that it was a ‘run thru.’

      IOW, see how FBI protects, which side of stage DT is moved off of, etc.
      ‘Practice’ for a better execution or attempt.
      Seeing how the other side responds.

  45. ozone November 7, 2016 at 4:45 pm #

    …If a shitbird pretends to endorse a candidate, does that mean that said candidate is thus smeared with the shitbird’s shit and is unfit for public consumption and election?

    I think that’s the present ploy clacked out by one side of the DoD trailer of slaves. (It’s a “classic”.)

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 10:59 pm #

      What would you do in your first hundred days if you were elected President?

      • Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 6:19 am #

        I’d send EvelynV to a therapist so she could learn to have an orgasm again, or maybe have one for the first time.

  46. FincaInTheMountains November 7, 2016 at 6:40 pm #

    The first exit polls from foreign places for voting, in which elections have already begun, show a convincing victory of Trump abroad with a score of 49 to 44 percent.

    Despite this, most likely, on November 9, all world’s media will show us a convincing victory of Clinton.

    Accordingly, in circumstances where the American people are deprived of the right to vote, their reaction can be very unpredictable, Donald Trump should strengthen his protection, and Russia should think about how to help the American people in their struggle for their own freedom in the framework of the international law.

  47. Frankiti November 7, 2016 at 7:48 pm #

    “I do go along with the argument advanced by others that it would probably be better for Hillary to win, because that way the right people (the gang already in power) will be blamed for the descent into the maelstrom and will be expeditiously swept away.”

    This is nothing but a load of cowardice wrapped up in absolute disingenuousness. Anybody paying attention UNDERSTANDS that the “gang already in power” are prepared to remain in power by working in COLLUSION with the government (of Clinton Inc.) to maintain the pantomime of a functioning free market financial system. They all get rich(er) and we get enough to keep the torches and pitchforks down.

    The author wants to play both sides… but can’t, not believably…

    • tucsonspur November 8, 2016 at 3:46 am #

      Right.The “gang in power” won’t be descending any too far into the maelstrom, if at all. Depending on the scenario, they may in fact rise with the exertion of strict control and force.

      Jim also makes it sound too easy, with “expeditiously swept away”.
      Of course the timing is important. Six years out doesn’t mean near as much as one or two years out.

      Cowardice seems too strong a word in this case, more like fuzzy thinking in my mind. I’m guessing you don’t mean it in its harshest sense.

      • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 8:58 am #

        No trying to pander to the host, but he is far too sharp to have “fuzzy thinking”.

  48. Frankiti November 7, 2016 at 9:15 pm #

    maelstrom
    noun
    1 a maelstrom in the sea: whirlpool, vortex, eddy, swirl; literary Charybdis.
    2 the maelstrom of war: turbulence, tumult, turmoil, disorder, disarray, chaos, confusion, upheaval, pandemonium, bedlam, whirlwind.

    Jus’ sayin’… no need to use it 3 times in one short essay.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 7, 2016 at 11:00 pm #

      Ever read Poe’s story Descent Into the Maelstrom? I’m one of the Ancient Mariners. This has all happened before you know.

      • BackRowHeckler November 7, 2016 at 11:51 pm #

        Do you mean ‘The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket’?

        The story itself, a New England sea story — Poe’s longest — certainly describes a ‘Descent into the Maelstrom’.

        brh

        • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:52 am #

          Oh there must be two such stories then. You’ve never read this one and I’ve never read that one Strange world!

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Descent_into_the_Maelstr%C3%B6m

          You admit Whites are doomed if things go one as they are. What do you think we should do about it? Accept or fight? If the latter, you have become a White Nationalist.

      • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 9:22 am #

        More like Jonas Ramus..

  49. Elrond Hubbard November 8, 2016 at 12:45 am #

    If I can’t unsee this, then none of you can either.

    m.imgur.com/qrNtZok

    Happy Election Day.

    • malthuss November 8, 2016 at 10:31 am #

      Yes. No surprise.

      When Jerry Garcia died, they had a special out fast, via People Magazine.

      I assume files exist so when ‘news’ happens, they have things ready to print.

      • Q. Shtik November 8, 2016 at 11:55 am #

        Shades of “Dewey Defeats Truman.”

  50. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 4:34 am #

    Clinton CANCELS New York election night fireworks display – and her electoral college lock falters

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3914082/Clinton-campaign-CANCELS-New-York-election-night-fireworks-disp…

    • dannyboy November 8, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

      remember the threat not to accept the election results?

  51. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 4:44 am #

    Race to the White House in its final stage

    regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2016/11/07/regnum_picture_1478547973459469_big.jpg

  52. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 5:03 am #

    In Russia pro-Clinton propaganda on one channel complements the pro-Clinton propaganda on the other channel, suggesting that it is Russia where the Clintonites intellectual center is located. The case went so far ridiculous, as the whole world is convinced that Putin appoints the presidents of the USA, but can not dismiss or at least rein in TV personality and director Konstantin Ernst.

    Hillary is a nuclear war at best, and at worst Russia’s rejection of Christ.

    A rejection of Christ for Russia is death – Byzantium perished as a result of the Council of Florence, and not from the Fourth Crusade.

    And recent events in the United States show this clearly enough.

    • Cavepainter November 8, 2016 at 7:37 am #

      I refer to the Democratic Party as the “coyote party”, drawing a similarity between its political pandering to the Latino vote and the human trafficking practice by its namesake south-of-the-border. Only difference between the two is the profit currency realized in the transaction; cash south of the border while on our side here up north the DNC manages to shift the voting demographic heavily in its favor for generations.

      Neat, huh? The captive media (distinguished from journalism) ignores completely the contradiction inherent in the DNC’s promise of amnesty, pathway to citizenship, and, hence, the vote for the 20-30 illegal aliens. Seems obvious: immigration and border enforcement laws enacted by a Congress elected by the citizenry to act on its behalf are simply allowed to default to a new voting block now being cultivated by Democratic Party’s betrayal of national sovereignty and “give away” of privileges which by law are intended to be exclusive to citizenship.

      “In fairness”, argues the DNC; a shell game play to hide the obvious fact that illegal aliens aren’t victims but perpetrators of crime against national sovereignty. This feint-of-hand reversal of guilt shields the fact that by stealing into our country the illegals have gained advantage for themselves and their children beyond prospects back in their nation of origin. “Fairness” would be an expression of gratitude to the US citizenry for its tolerance rather than demand for legitimacy as a political force this side of the border.

      A vote for the Democratic Party ticket amounts to collusion in treasonable act — betrayal of national sovereignty and the principle of representational democracy.

      • Cavepainter November 8, 2016 at 7:39 am #

        20-20 million illegal aliens, I meant.

        • Cavepainter November 8, 2016 at 7:40 am #

          Uh,….damn typing errors. 20-30 million illegal aliens.

          • malthuss November 8, 2016 at 10:36 am #

            See my post from yesterday. Population explosion in USA.
            But it is due to foreigners.

            Not good for US and not good for us.

          • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 11:14 am #

            Humans are migratory. There is no stopping them. People want stability during their lifetime, but change is ever present. The US, as are most governments, is but a momentary aberration… they come and go. The US is a state without a true nation, perhaps making it worse. Mutts finding their pound disintegrating… and nobody wants them.

      • Buck Stud November 8, 2016 at 10:43 am #

        “…pandering to the Latino vote” –LOL.

        What an ironic lament in the aftermath of 35 years of GOP cheap labor importations and Ronald Reagan’s illegal immigration acquiescence back in 86 I believe.

        But there you have it, the party of “personal responsibility” denying responsibility for reaping what they sow.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

        Yeah, germs are migratory too and stopping them is the key to health. Your skin is a Wall you see. It keeps you you and what’s outside, outside. Pretty basic stuff except for the invincibly ignorant.

        And yes Frank, nothing last forever. The Walls will be breached and the national body will sicken and die at some point. Does that make you happy? Or is your attitude just one of sublime indifference. One of my old girlfriends had a huge issue about watering plants because they were going to die anyway. So instead of watering them, she would just watch them die and listen to the conflicting voices within her head. Guess what her therapist recommended?

        Get some new plants and water them. So I don’t apologize for talking down to you – you give me no choice.

  53. Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 8:01 am #

    No dice, Cavepainter. A vote for anything or anyone in this election or any election is legitimating an illegitimate process. It’s a Joke — a Sick Joke. Your vote does not matter except for its pretense. It doesn’t give you access and representation. America is not Democratic. It is not a Democracy. It’s not even a Democratic Republic as it claims to be. It’s the illusion of such. In actuality, it’s a decaying, corrupt, sinister and sadistic Plutocratic Oligarchy and JHK is dead wrong when he implies this corrupt-to-the-core Plutocratic Oligarchy will somehow miraculously reform itself when things get much worse. That’s impossible, even with Alien Intervention. The Plutocratic Oligarchy cannot be reformed because it is doing what is in its very basic nature, so it isn’t something that’s deformed and needs to be reformed. It IS what it IS.

    And EvelynK, I spoke with The Donald this morning and expressed to him your comments here, and he had one word for me, and you and everyone else who cares to read & listen. One word. No, not Plastics. Blood. He said, “you can see there’s Blood coming out of EvelynK’s eyes — Blood coming out of her wherever.” I know, I know, I told him it was more than likely you had already achieved menopause, but he said it didn’t matter. He said all women bleed from every orifice regardless of that silly thing they call menopause.

    Sorry, EvelynK, that’s Trump’s Legacy that will pay him Dividends until his dying day.

    Go Trump TV!!!!!!

    • Cavepainter November 8, 2016 at 8:21 am #

      Missed me on that one; I’m not voting this time just as I didn’t in the two prior. Like you, I’m convinced its all orchestrated hoax soon to transition from low intensity civil war to full blown open violence between the hardening tatters of lost national identity.

      • Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 8:36 am #

        Yep, the South Africa Plan. A Small Enclave of an Ethnically Diverse Elite, surrounded by throngs upon throngs of factionalized Tribes, to include various Tribes of dispossessed Whites, squabbling over scraps amidst their Ghetto-Like Reservations. Mobility will be greatly restricted as you have no choice but to shelter in place on your “reservation” and within that “reservation” various factions war with one another for the top seat amongst the rubble. War Lords will rule the Underclass and will be bequeathed a bit more freedom & latitude by the Elite. The Elite will be untouchable and will socially & biologically & technologically advance to the point that the Underclass and The Elite will be, pretty much, two separate species. The Elite will begin to substantially transcend its biological limits and the Underclass will be perpetuated for The Elite’s amusement, and not much more.

        When you vote this election, People, that’s what you will be voting for whether you want to admit it or not. Journey told you, “Don’t Stop Believing,” and you haven’t.

        Don’t Stop Believing!!!

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:12 pm #

        Can’t you at least take a chance to save your life? Trump might be for real – or at least say 60%.

    • Q. Shtik November 8, 2016 at 11:36 am #

      A vote for anything or anyone in this election or any election is legitimating an illegitimate process. – Cold

      ==========

      ^This^ is a statement I more or less agree with…..and with that in mind I arose at dawn today so I could get out and NOT vote early and often.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:39 pm #

        Bet you have given up your sports betting though. You always get your monkey ball picks in on time, right?

        • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

          haven’t. My anger made me make a mistake. This election is different – for the whole ball of wax. The distinction between good and evil is clear this time. How is it that you don’t see that? Or are you just trying to be “consistent”? Foolish consistency is the hogbloblin of simple minds.

          I grant you that ambiguous characters like Christie and Gingrich have latched onto the Leader. And that Trump himself is not perfect. But compared to Hillary? He is Sol Invictus himself.

          • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 5:56 pm #

            Sol Invictus… my favorite holiday… too bad the christians stole it

            They didn’t conquer the sun though…

    • EvelynV November 8, 2016 at 2:18 pm #

      Ideally those dividends will be exhausted before the day is over. Figuratively for certain, and literally would be frosting.

  54. Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 8:55 am #

    Sorry, up above I typed EvelynK instead of EvelynV. The Donald said it doesn’t matter whether it’s “K” or “V” since both amount to the same thing — BLOOD. The Donald said, THERE WILL BE BLOOD. He also said even if he doesn’t become POTUS, he will not only fight to Make America Great Again, but he will also fight to Make Bossa Italiana Great Again.

    EvelynV In Her Youth Before She Dried Up — I Know, It’s Hard To Believe And That’s Precisely Why You Don’t Stop Believing

    It’s great Election Day music, isn’t it?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

      Yes, Feminist Hatred will not be tolerated during the Long Emergency. Women will be kept pregnant or helping out those who are or helping with the kids already born. Tom Boys can work outside and even go hunting with their Dad for a few short years until the young men come a courtin’. Then they’ll have to spiff up, put on a dress, and get with the program.

      Evelyn? Eve. Don’t take that apple, son. Let her go to perdition on her own.

  55. Buck Stud November 8, 2016 at 10:46 am #

    The only mystery left in today’s election is HRC’s margin of victory and the down ballot races. And to think there really was a chance to ‘Make America Great Again–sniff.

    youtube.com/watch?v=vf9K5KEs4rE

  56. K-Dog November 8, 2016 at 11:01 am #

    The Fat Lady Clears Her Throat

    It is all she had to do. No Homey D. Clown for me!.

    See K-Dog Vote: FOLLOW THIS LINK

    doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,8300.msg115356/topicseen.html#msg115356

    Sorry about the shouting and boldface JHK, but election day only comes once every eight years as the long emergency makes wartime presidents of them all.

  57. volodya November 8, 2016 at 11:20 am #

    Ozone, indeed yes, in competent hands disorder has its uses. Incite strife between antagonistic factions and then use it as a pre-text for a divide and conquer incursion. Or, disorder as justification for a crack-down.

    “Hooliganism” has an honored place in the legal (a contradiction in terms) lexicon of despotic regimes. A highly stretchable and adaptable term. How long before it’s seen here?

    Already the perfumados marked a class of people as “deplorables”. Tattooed, dressed like clowns, lazy, ignorant, racist, obese, drug-abusing. What earthly good are they? They have no legitimate gripe, their values beyond the pale for any modern high-minded progressive, their lamentable state one of their own making. Repression? Why not?

    Of course, given the errant blunderings of the American foreign policy establishment, or the howling misapprehensions of Deep State intelligence (again, a contradiction in terms), such interventions have a way of blowing up shortly after lift-off.

    We see it over and over. Bomb, invade, occupy, arrest, bust heads, lose multitudes of dead and maimed, blow trillions, withdraw with ass in pail, vow to never do again, rinse, repeat, do it here. Do it here? Sure, why not?

    I don’t know about you but IMO the intelligence of the alleged elite, whether we’re talking about the overly-wealthed Plutocrats or the Plutocrats’ preening bureaucratic clerisy, is highly mis-overestimated. As you say, when chaos steps over into uncontrollable upheaval they think that they can deploy golden parachutes (yes, I certainly do remember them). And they actually think the soldier boys will defend THEM. Such wishful thinking absurdity. Makes me laugh.

    • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 11:28 am #

      “…Plutocrats or the Plutocrats’ preening bureaucratic clerisy…” Brilliant. The soldier boys, or the American warrior class, where might they be? Well, it is now a job added to those that Americans won’t do, and there is a handy solution to that…

    • elysianfield November 8, 2016 at 11:29 am #

      ” And they actually think the soldier boys will defend THEM. Such wishful thinking absurdity.”

      V,
      And as Finc said in the past;

      “History is not a teacher, but a punisher….”

      • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

        Why do you love this music? What does it have to do with eating, sleeping, sexing, defecating, or defending? Face the Fact: you have a God shaped hole in your heart. You couldn’t relate this at all unless you had a part in His Being. Trace that Golden Threat back to its source, which is yours as well.

        barnhardt.biz/2016/11/03/aderam/

        Remember the Gregorian craze of some years ago? And how it was all utterly ethereal, lacking in this kind of power? It’s almost as if someone was trying to give an inaccurate picture of the Gregorian legacy. I wonder what people control Classical labels?

        • elysianfield November 8, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

          Janos,
          I’ve been listening to recordings of Gregorian Chants since I was 18 and first exposed to them as a Freshman in college. I appreciate most music of the liturgy. I recently recommended to the readership a CD of Russian choral pieces. Favorite piece of Music? Ave Maria…Pavarotti’s rendition a particular favorite…could almost make me believe in God…and then there is Sheller’s “Ode to Joy”….

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      And which tribe are you going to join? Or to put it more accurately, which tribe where you born into? Or to put it more simply, look down at your hands: what color are they?

      How long do you think Reality is going to let you get away with your fantasy of being an Omniscient Narrator? A ghost floating about the battlefield? You and the rest of you guys. The Long Emergency is about incarnation and humility – which sounds much like humus. Coincidence?

      When the shit hits the fan, the manure will hit the man ™. What he does with it, shows his character.

  58. Cold N. Holefield November 8, 2016 at 11:36 am #

    I have another blog post that sums it nicely on Election Day.

    The Hans Schmidt Of Our Time

  59. volodya November 8, 2016 at 11:37 am #

    Routesurfer, you said a magic word there. “Interest”. As in how do you charge interest on flesh eating zombies?

    An excellent question. There are multitudes of these zombies staggering about, some gigantic like the federal government that owes 20 trillion, some pint-sized like over-indebted households.

    There’s two takes on ZIRP and NIRP. One is that zero rates are the product of deliberate central bank suppression. The other is that zero rates are equivalent to the dangerously low blood pressure of a moribund patient.

    Some say if the Fed and ECB didn’t force down rates there would be government and personal defaults galore and a calamity that would make the 1930s look like a pleasant Sunday in the park. Others say that zero rates are the necessary outcome of gutting consumer demand because of globalization (ie offshoring jobs to China).

    Take your pick. One thing is certain, zero rates are the outcome of a global economy that can’t work anymore. As you say, the world of the rag-picker starts soon. We have some glimpses already. People hard-up because of this unworkable task-rabbity, gig economy are trying to make ends meet. Hence airbnb and uber.

    • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 11:55 am #

      … and fentanyl induced stupors segueing into perpetual slumber. A hero’s exit.

  60. volodya November 8, 2016 at 12:08 pm #

    “The soldier boys, or the American warrior class, where might they be? Well, it is now a job added to those that Americans won’t do, and there is a handy solution to that…”

    I think we may have talked about this already but no matter, it’s a fascinating topic. History, the punisher, reaches out from the grave.

    The Romans made use of mercenary soldiers for much of their history. Rome’s imperial border was way too long to set up fences or walls along the whole of it. So they used tribes that lived along the perimeter as border police. It worked for a long time.

    That is, it worked until it didn’t. It worked because bordering peoples had reciprocal defense and trade arrangements with the Romans. They could depend on Roman legions descending on trouble spots and, in the meantime, they did good business with people inside the empire.

    It stopped working because there was a many-headed throng that came thundering out of the Asian steppes. The loyalty of the border-landers, whether it was Germanic or otherwise, was to their own kin and clan, not to Rome. This is the lesson to be re-learned here.

    When Roman legions abandoned Britain, the people there got busy fighting one another. Meantime, there were outsiders that wanted a slice of the green and fertile countryside.

    What did the Britons do? They make the mistake of hiring Saxons (ie the semi legendary brothers Hengist and Horsa) to take up some of the burden of defense. And guess what happened? The two bros sent word that Britain was ripe for the picking and the conquest of Britain was underway.

    Will modern day Americans pay attention? I doubt it. History is boring and irrelevant modern edumacators say. Not worth the time nor money. In this they are mistaken.

    • Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm #

      It’s not even American’s country anymore. And it isn’t. The jobs outsourced, or H1-B Indians flown over, the borders opened, the State Department issuing immigrant visas by the millions… not even defending it depends upon Americans. A permanent resident can step in and man the drone. This is what happens to a state without a nation.

  61. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

    In Loving Memory of Senator McCarthy

    pbs.twimg.com/media/CwNX10AWcAkkGN3.jpg

    • malthuss November 8, 2016 at 3:37 pm #

      Yes, I saw that already.

  62. Q. Shtik November 8, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

    Seen standing 101 feet from the entryway of my small-town central Jersey polling place, making a great fuss and commotion, were a group of pranksters wearing sandwich board signs with the following messages:

    . Wetbacks for Hillary
    . Muzzies for Hillary
    . Commies for Hillary
    . Billionaires for Hillary
    . Banksters for Hillary
    . Negros for Hillary
    . Lezzies for Hillary
    . Pointy-headed intellectuals for Hillary

  63. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

    Lady Gaga salutes Hillary:

    pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwu3sZkWQAA7_va.jpg

    Is she offering a free blowjob to Hillary voters as well? If I were in Buck’s shoes I’d hold on that Madonna’s offer.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 11:08 pm #

      Madonna backed out of her bj offer. That may have been the straw that tipped the balance. You just can’t trust these people. And society is all about trust in the final analysis.

  64. Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 3:11 pm #

    dailystormer.com/today-is-a-referendum-on-the-survival-of-western-civilization/

    All things move in our favor. Many Hispanics secretly know the Truth and want their people kept out. Many Blacks loathe Hillary, the archetype of the unnatural White. Many others are indifferent, since she’s not Black. This is winnable. Do you part and be part of the Solution, part of the Renaissance, part of the Glory.

  65. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

    A source within Russia’s Ministry of Defense told Gazeta.ru that the Navy’s aircraft carrier group is ready to launch a strike targeting ISIS terrorists in the province of Aleppo in the next 24 hours. The attack, which will likely engage Kalibr cruise missiles, will target militants outside of Aleppo, and not the residential areas.

    cdn1.img.sputniknews.com/images/104688/79/1046887977.jpg

    If Hillary cancelled her fireworks, does not mean we should cancel ours!

  66. tucsonspur November 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

    I braved strong winds to cast it. With step firm and resolute, I walked to submit my ballot. It’s only one vote, but it felt like a mallet.

    I strutted in like the Duke of Earl, delivering my vote like a precious pearl. I dropped in the ballot and was duly promoted, they gave me a medal that stated “I voted”.

    I gave it my best, gave it my all, and proudly walked home to see who would fall.

  67. Frankiti November 8, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

    The suspense is killing me.

    Three cheers to suspense!

  68. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

    It joys my heart good news of our Country
    And scents of Fatherland are sweet and pleasant

    Gavrila Derzhavin, 1798

    – So how is it going here? – I asked the American border guard at the passport control

    – Well, there’re elections tomorrow…. Huge – he added after thinking a bit, – Trump probably will win – he looked at me with a sly squint, and again stared at my documents, and the dog began to sniff even more at my suitcase.

    – (Oh, shit! The cat hid there a piece of smoked bacon, which was discovered only when suitcase was packed) – I figured.

    – What do you mean, maybe?! – I paid a retaliatory strike, – what kind of pessimism in the ranks? He will win, period!

    How he started smiling at me!!! As he straightened up and looked for the first time directly in the eyes! The dog, too, had lost interest in the artistry of my cat and seems to salute me by vigorously wagging his tail.

    – Welcome back! – Greeted me the real America – Welcome back!

  69. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

    Hillary supports no more than 15 percent of zombie-like creative creacles who really do not know what they are doing. That is, in fact, Nazi Germany is insolently attempt to seize power in one of the allied countries of the anti-Nazi coalition.

    Apparently the witch at some point sold some of elites on the idea of limited war with Russia, having in mind to convert it into an unlimited war by surprise.

  70. Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

    Sign petition for an autopsy of Judge Scalia. We know now that the Establishment is every bit as corrupt as we feared. They will stop at nothing – perhaps not even murder. Let’s find out.

    demandanautopsy.com/

    • Cactus Girl November 9, 2016 at 3:21 am #

      Hmmm…didn’t they cremate him?

  71. Q. Shtik November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

    Perhaps Asoka was a bit premature in declaring that his “work here is done.” (And P.S., Christie is still in front of the bars, not behind them.)

    The journalists over at MSNBC are beginning to show serious concern…..I heard one of them say “clearly I was wrong about…..blah blah”.

    A little while ago the futures markets were DOWN big time. This may or may not shift before we know who has won but at the moment the futures are pricing in a Trump victory.

    I will speculate that Hillary is lying on a bed somewhere being administered smelling salts……and has a big wet load in her pants(suit).

    WOW, I just saw that they have declared that Trump won in Ohio.

  72. Q. Shtik November 8, 2016 at 10:37 pm #

    HOLY Sheeee-it! Dow futures down 608.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 11:09 pm #

      What about metals? Any good monkey ball scores you want to share?

  73. barbisbest November 8, 2016 at 10:46 pm #

    The dreaded day. Trump could pull it off. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 11:06 pm #

      Woman is infinitely flexible. They ALWAYS do well under Fascism – or under Enemy Invasion. They flex and stoop to conquer. You are doing it even now, Barb. What do I feel? Am I proud of you or just proud that I understand?

  74. sprawlcapital November 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm #

    The Coronation of Hillary the First, recently announced here, will be postponed. The Royal Family is in seclusion.

  75. Janos Skorenzy November 8, 2016 at 11:04 pm #

    Times – 95% chance of Trump victory. We are drunk on Liberal tears. Deportation force forming even now as we speak. Pack your bags, haters.

  76. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 11:35 pm #

    Florida is Ours!
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/08/will-trump-or-clinton-win-florida/

  77. barbisbest November 8, 2016 at 11:45 pm #

    Should’ve known. They said the titanic wouldn’t sink. Don’t be so proud. J. S. He who wins loses.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 11:55 pm #

      Not to worry. As I said, things are developing in the right direction.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:39 am #

      Yes, as young Trudeau says, When you kill them, they win. That’s why Western Civilization is toast – that attitude. The rise of Trump is not a moment too soon. Now you must grow to love this Man – a real Man.

  78. barbisbest November 8, 2016 at 11:57 pm #

    Hey hey. U. S. A. Donald. Trump is on the way. Everything is going to be okay. He’ll save the day. Rigggghhhhtttttt!!!

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:41 am #

      The Trunk is around your waist. The Elephant is lifting you up. You squirm and pretend (even to yourself) that you hate it. But the pretense begins to fail. You like it more and more…

  79. FincaInTheMountains November 8, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

    Now the priority is to free President Obama and secure access to nuclear codes.

  80. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:02 am #

    Yep. Don’t worry. Fincaln. Nothing to worry about.

  81. Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 12:05 am #

    James Carville is/was a talking head tonight on one of the election coverage channels. I know the man is no dummy but honestly I can’t understand a frigging word he says. He sounds like Boomhauer on King of the Hill.

  82. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 12:13 am #

    We should be happy for all of us – the Humanity is getting a chance to work out the differences in a reasonable way, we do not need to kill each other.

  83. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:17 am #

    With. Trump at the helm. You better secure access to the nuclear codes. Trump won’t be running the country though. Just a talking head. The theocrat. Pence will be and others. Kind of like a. Cheney.

    • Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 1:31 am #

      Kind of like a. Cheney. – barb

      =========

      Can I suggest using more commas and fewer periods?

  84. pequiste November 9, 2016 at 12:18 am #

    Looks like Michael Moore’s analysis of the shituation was spot on – the White working electorate (even according to the lame-stream media) are delivering the enormous “Fuck You” both he and JHK have predicted.

    This is oh so very satisfying to watch.

  85. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:27 am #

    May God help us all.

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 12:37 am #

      God’s dead… we’ll help ourselves

      • messianicdruid November 9, 2016 at 8:08 am #

        How’s that been working for you ( us )?

  86. BackRowHeckler November 9, 2016 at 12:36 am #

    To the elite Hollywood Scum who threatened to leave the USA if Trump wins … start packing, you sons of bitches!

    brh

  87. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:40 am #

    God is not dead. Frankiti. He is not nor will. He ever be. As sure as I write this.

    • Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 1:47 am #

      God is not dead. Frankiti. He is not nor will. He ever be. As sure as I write this. – barb

      =============

      Seriously Barb, what the fuck is up with all these periods?

      I used to express my annoyance with all the people who thought it was cool not to use any capital letters and now a new fetish arises: the overuse and incomprehensible placement of periods.

      • Frankiti November 10, 2016 at 5:51 pm #

        That’s because “she” is Cormac McWPAsokaBarbNewquist trying to throw you off its awful scent. Poor punctuation and all.

  88. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:50 am #

    God is not dead as sure as. Trump is not for the people.. If. Trump doesn’t need the money and he knows how to fix things why didn’t he volunteer his services to this country. Donald trump. Will never be my president. He May be yours. But he will never be mine. I’m not Hollywood elite but May be it’s time for me to leave my country. I know. I’m free to go.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:43 am #

      Those who do not get on the Train will be crushed by it. Trust the Elephant. He is gentle and kind. But do not abuse him – he. never. forgets……………………………………………………….!

  89. Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 1:17 am #

    Nearly a year and a half ago Forbes columnist Ken Fisher explained a lengthy analysis from which he concluded the Democrats would not win the 2016 election. At that time he/we had no idea who the candidates would be. I reported that story here at CFN.

    Over this past weekend a guy named Jim Rickards, an associate of David Stockman, came out with a convincing video explaining why the polls favoring Hillary were likely to be very wrong. His angle was to offer a short term trading strategy that had to be acted upon yesterday (Mon.) or today (Tues.). Wed. would be too late to act. Big money to be made if Trump won which Rickards predicted……but even if Hillary won some small money could be made.

    Hillary has not conceded yet so I don’t want to get ahead of myself but I am ecstatic at the thought of all those NYT opinion writers squirming to explain “what the fuck happened??” Tops on that list, Paul Krugman.

    Oh, and too bad for the cocksure annoying one, Asoka. He’ll be back in due time under a new handle.

    I must add right here that we will all wake up tomorrow in the horror of “OMG, what have we wrought??” Trump truly is not fit to be President but then again nobody is. This will become apparent in much less than the fullness of time.

    Be that as it may, let me be the first to suggest that Hillary go bake us some cookies.

    This will go down as the biggest comeuppance for Liberals in my lifetime and will be known in Europe as Brexit 2.0.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 4:42 am #

      Listening to the Talking Heads for the first time in a long time: They really are incredibly out of touch. Not really smarter than most people here, less well read, more conceited than most and above all – insulated. I got the impression that all they ever really do is talk to each other. Too good to talk to anyone else and no time to read anything outside their group either. So they say things like, “Poor Whites perceived they were being left behind” – they couldn’t even bring themselves to just admit the reality that millions had been. That’s outside the narrative. To admit the reality would be to admit they don’t care. The onus must stay on the poor deluded trash.

      Their attempts at soul searching were thus crippled. They couldn’t find their souls in the first place. They just remain flummoxed or began to whine about how mean Trump was and how terrible he was going to be. They then approved of his acceptance speech and how it was an attempt to “unify”. He would of course, have to try harder. Already they are going on the offensive.

  90. Buck Stud November 9, 2016 at 1:32 am #

    Wow, was I ever wrong: I’m stunned! (and by all means spike the ball in the end zone.)

    Well, maybe President elect Trump really can move things in the right direction; he did mention in the primary he was a “unifier”.

    Obviously there is something more at work here. I’m far more concerned about things like “pre-existing conditions” and health insurance as opposed to the Mexicans down the street. The latter will inevitably go bye bye while the former are going to stick around, like it or not. And yet, so many–even public union employees who will be severely punished by the GOP tsunami–still supported Trump because of nativist reasons. But soon enough they will come to learn the reality of unaffordable health insurance and pre-existing conditions along with losing jobs/benefits to privatization ( and yes’Obamacare’ was proving to be a “disaster” in many ways).

    Congratulations Trump supporters; yours was an ass-kicking victory.

    • Buck Stud November 9, 2016 at 1:37 am #

      Should have read: the former will inevitably go bye bye, the latter will stick around.

      Wondering to myself, would Bernie have done any better and I have to conclude no. This election was about a deep visceral ‘pathos”, volcanic indeed.

      My son voted Trump and he is going to be doing some end zone dancing for sure.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 3:23 am #

        Bernie is a wonderful person at some level of his being. When he smiles, the world lights up. The bird landed alighted on his podium, not any other. But despite this, he was allied with Darkness. After the terrible Soros funded violence in Chicago, which shut down Trump’s rally, Bernie said “Good job, everyone.” He also said White don’t know what it’s like to be poor. Now admit it Buck, that’s just despicable.

        Did you see his face during the DNC? He looked like he was in Hell. We may never get to the bottom of all this. Was he just her wing man to begin with – and only later becoming serious? It seemed very real at the end, and he seemed to feel he was betraying his people – and his best self. In exchange he seemed to have gotten a book deal, a lake house, and a future with Democrats, who owe him a big favor. You may well get a chance if four years to vote for him. In the mean time, cut deeply into your middle finger and eat the pain.

      • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 11:01 am #

        Did you look and compare the attendance at the rallies?

        35,000 at DT.

        Media photoshopped and edited Hitlery rallies. Did she average 500 at a rally?

  91. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 2:55 am #

    I’ve never been so proud to be american. Maybe this election was rigged. That’s alright j.s.let the biggest prick rule over America’s last gleaming.

  92. Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 2:58 am #

    The graphic that just appeared on my TV says “Clinton calls Trump to concede election.” I guess I can go nighty night now.

  93. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 3:24 am #

    Yep nig thy night qstick. Night America. Now I know anyone really. C. A. N be president. N ewt Gingrich as Secretary of state. Ugh.

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 5:30 am #

      Lock her up

    • SteveO November 9, 2016 at 10:52 am #

      Fat boy Cristy as chief of staff. 911 Giuliani as head of justice department.

      Having fun yet?

    • Majella November 9, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

      Guliani FBI Director, Christie AG…and Bannon as Chief of Staff. You can start the Body Count on 21 January 2017.

  94. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 4:01 am #

    It’s mourning in America. We have a bona fide buffoon for president for the fourth turning.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 6:04 am #

      Are you scared? For yourself and people of color and non binary gender queers? If so go here to meet yo peeps. Much love. If not, why not? And doesn’t that make you a racist?

      dailystormer.com/im-so-scared/

      • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 1:24 pm #

        Did you see the picture of Barry on the golf course?
        He is crouching and theres a bandage on his middle finger.

        Coincidence or satanic ritual?

        • Majella November 9, 2016 at 4:20 pm #

          WTF???

          • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

            Marina Abramovic said cut your middle finger deeply and eat the pain. She’s a Satanic “performance artist”/priestess whom the Clinton circle seem to adore and/or follow.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 4:42 pm #

          I’m amazed that Scalia was found dead with a pillow on his face and no could be made to care. I put nothing past these people. Nothing.

    • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 11:02 am #

      Move to another land.

  95. Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 5:30 am #

    WPA-CCC Asoka is busy burying Shea-Wolf77 out back…

  96. Reagan November 9, 2016 at 6:29 am #

    President Elect Trump says he wants to rebuild the inner cities. What is so wrong with that, other than the Democrats may lose their power base of people they have placed into a life of drugs, crime, and poverty. Give him a chance and see if a non-politician (for once!) can do something more than the politicians have done. He certainly can’t do any worse.

    • barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 6:49 am #

      Trump is not going to do what he said. He will not have the capital. And no j.s. I am not afraid. I will not be crushed. And. Trump is declared the loser. Ha. Ha. Fitting. But at least he may taxes when he’s your president. Like the sign said thst someone held in front of the white house early this a.m. welcome to h ell. Trumps the loser. Xpect we all are now.

    • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

      I read that the reasons for millions of homeless are several.
      One is the ‘Trumpification’ of cities.

      the residence hotels were bought and torn down for gentrification.

      Thnk about that.

      • Majella November 9, 2016 at 4:23 pm #

        Precisely. Trump won’t actually fix ANYTHING, but if he DOES go to work on inner city rejuvenation, the result will NOT be an investment for the current, indigent inhabitants. They’ll be shuffled away to new slums (a la Paris) out in the fringe.

  97. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 6:53 am #

    As I was saying maybe at least your president trump will pay taxes when he’s president. The joke s on us.

    • Majella November 9, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

      Lol! Yes, he’ll have federal withholding deducted on his paltry $400K…

  98. dolph9 November 9, 2016 at 7:07 am #

    Congratulations to Donald Trump. Not that he will fix anything, but at least he is a finger to the establishment.

    To the liberals reading this, just think for a moment. If you hate someone (ordinary American citizens) and side with criminals and foreigners, those ordinary people who you hate will fight back.

    • Majella November 9, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

      As JHK has said before, it would be preferable for Clinton – the embodiment of all that the Establishment/Elite is – to be in the hot seat when the long-anticipated shit hits the fan. At least then, the RIGHT people will get the blame and we’d have a chance at real change next time around. With Trump as the figurehead, when it all goes down, he’ll take the blame and the thieving conniving corrupt cohort responsible for this shit-storm will get away scot-free.

  99. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 7:32 am #

    The site of the Canadian Embassy was swamped with requests for long-term visas and then crashed. Mexican peso falls, and a leading Republican commentator sent a tweet to his democratic brethren: “I am sorry that we have saved your crap-asses, too!”

    Time to roll up the sleeves! Plenty of work ahead! I am excited!

  100. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 7:39 am #

    Congratulations to Donald Trump on winning the US presidential election

    Vladimir Putin sent a message of congratulations to Donald Trump on his victory in the US presidential election.

    In his message, Mr Putin said he hopes for work together to lift Russian-US relations out of the current crisis, resolve issues on the international agenda, look for effective responses to global security challenges.

    The President said he is confident that Moscow and Washington can establish a constructive dialogue based on the principles of equality, mutual respect, and genuine consideration for each other’s positions. This would be in the interests of both peoples and of the entire international community.

    Mr Putin wished Mr Trump success in the high office and responsibility of head of state.

    en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53221

    • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 7:46 am #

      To those who are still in the bunker: bye bye, ISIS!!

  101. fodase November 9, 2016 at 7:40 am #

    only buffoons out here are your ilk, barbisbest.

    you can’t even recognize common sense anymore, neither
    do you have any regard for the law, which is why the US was becoming
    a social and economic toilet bowl.

    those are your side’s accomplishments. in addition to forcing women to have men invade their bathrooms. you people are full-on retarded.

    you don’t even know basic tax law for crying out loud. try looking up NOL + carry forward before you say Trump doesn’t pay taxes.

    adults are now in charge

  102. nsa November 9, 2016 at 7:45 am #

    Just checking in to see how the aipac meeting is going…any suicides yet? Notice the subdued reaction of the vile KM (kosher media)….went from jooies gone wild to jooies gone silent.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

      Times Square last night: full of people but sepulcheraly silent. The silence of defeat. Liberals are amazed that the people they hate hate them right back.

  103. pequiste November 9, 2016 at 8:05 am #

    The biggest peaceful “FUCK YOU” in world history!

    Felicitations to the American people for having the gumption to do it.

    Donald J. Trump deserves all the credit for having the steel nerve and seeing this experiment through to victory HIS WAY. He will show the Globalists, political elites, media whores and presstitues, and enemies that there is a new sheriff in town and nobody owns him!

    America took the “Red Pill” yesterday, fed up and sick of due to a variety of reasons to include:

    – Repudiation of Barack “Barry Soetoro” Hussein Obama and his eight years of destroying America. His legacy: putting a man in the Women’s toilet, creating ISIS, $20 Trillion deficit, cusp of Race War, puppet of George Soros, escalating tensions with Russia, etc……

    – Repudiation of George “Dubya” Bush and his ilk for being asleep at the wheel for his eight years of administration. His legacy: destruction of the Near East, doubling the national debt, allowing illegal immigration, not fixing anything other than his ranch…….

    – Repudiation of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their grift machine of 30 plus years in Arkansas and Washington. D.C. Their legacy: illegal war against Serbia, permitting massive illegal immigration, continuation of war in Iraq from Bush Sr., NAFTA, sex parties in the White House and on Jeff Epsteins Lolita Island etc……

    Now to see which evil scumbag Liberals will commit suicide to protest the election results – I have more than several in mind.

    • SteveO November 9, 2016 at 9:26 am #

      In your repudiation of the Clintons, you left out the biggest sin of all – the Banking Modernization Act.

      • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 11:03 am #

        amnesty and clinton body count.

      • pequiste November 9, 2016 at 11:30 am #

        …..hence my utilization of the ever-useful ellipsis.

        Great when there is just too much to mention.

  104. pequiste November 9, 2016 at 8:12 am #

    And I couldn’t forget the big thank you owed to Black Lives Matter, Beyonce, Colin Kaepernick and Colin Powell, among a host of other deserving persons-of-color, for helping to get out the White vote.

    • SteveO November 9, 2016 at 9:23 am #

      Don’t forget to thank Hillary Clinton herself. She spent the last 20 years manipulating the DNC, the convention rules and the Democratic elites to assure her ascendancy to the throne.

      She was a flawed candidate from the beginning, and never would have gotten the nomination in an open contest on a level playing field.

      Besides, nothing brings the Republican base out like a Clinton.

    • Cold N. Holefield November 9, 2016 at 8:27 am #

      And, as promised, I didn’t watch any of the spectacle last night. I slept like a baby and woke up this morning to the news……….and got myself a gun. Janos & I really are going to finally meet at The O.K. Corral — Trump’s “Victory” ensures it.

      Woke Up This Morning

      • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 8:38 am #

        Janos is OK – he really is not a Nazi – just severely confused fascist.

        And Nazis and Fascists are two big differences, as we used to say in Odessa.

        • Cold N. Holefield November 9, 2016 at 9:07 am #

          No, he’s not okay. But I’m looking forward to ripping the skin off his face when we meet in person, and Trump’s “Victory” makes that meeting very likely.

          You never forget, Janos? Neither do I. I’m looking forward to mixing it up with you GOONS in the flesh, as they say. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

          And Buck Stud, you are such a fucking PUSSY, it’s embarrassing. Change your fucking name you fucking loser.

          • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:11 pm #

            Why? Because I think Whites have the same rights as everyone else? Can you check you emotions just for a minute and examine the source of your pugnacity? Is it really rational? Have you really cleansed your inner self of all political correctness? I think you still have quite a few bugs….

  105. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 8:34 am #

    The party of deplorables!

    NATO in full panic mode.

  106. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 8:40 am #

    Adults have been in charge for eight years. It has been nice. Now we Will have an overgrown child with a short attention span in the. White. House. Good luck clusterfuck. Hillary wins.

  107. seawolf77 November 9, 2016 at 8:44 am #

    The little pickle has won. A Trump sandwich: White bread, baloney, Russian dressing and a little pickle on the side.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

      More gay talk, with a heavy dose of Anti-White sauce.

    • Elrond Hubbard November 11, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

      Don’t forget the wall of Mexican chips!

      The shop that invented that sandwich is located in my hometown. I made sure to stop by and spend some money there last time I was around. They share space with a game store, so I also picked up a pet Cthulhu to watch over my abode.

  108. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 8:49 am #

    I will take the unusual step on this blog of saying ” shove it up your a ss fodase.”

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 9:03 am #

      Give it up WPAsoka clone

  109. Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 9:02 am #

    Where’s the phony New Yorker, Deny Boy? Waiting at Clinton HQ for Podesta to come back… lol, poser.

  110. messianicdruid November 9, 2016 at 9:12 am #

    “I was wrong that The Anointed One would be POTUS. She isn’t, or she isn’t for now.” 

    You have misidentified “the Anointed”. But you are certainly not alone.

    “It should come as no surprise that Trump is in partnership with the Jewish financial elite given his career background. Although naive sleepers seem to think he’s independent of the Money Power “since he has his own money,” they fail to understand how he got it. He didn’t do the real estate megadeals he’s know for by using money from his own bank account; he borrowed the money from the big banks and finance houses. There is simply no way he could be a big mover and shaker in real estate, especially in a Jew-controlled city like New York, without being in the good graces of the Money Power. He’s their boy.”

    redefininggod.com/

  111. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 9:14 am #

    Hillary wins frankiti. She won the popular vote and she wins this big time!!!! And where dannyboy is, it’s none of your Damon business.

  112. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 9:19 am #

    Barb, look at the bright side: we – US and Russia – have avoided being thrown in the furnace of world war for the sake of Saudi Arabia and the Forth Reich of Angela Merkel.

    Long live Allies – US, Great Britain, Russia and France!

  113. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 9:44 am #

    There may not be much bright side, fincaln. Like j h k said a while back, we blew it. Some time ago. If the sound of donald trump’s voice makes your skin crawl and the hair st and up on the back of your neck, is that a good sign? Hillary wins and. Trump will never be “my” president. I didn’t vote. Couldn’t bring myself to it.

  114. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 9:50 am #

    Biggest winners: American, British and Russian peoples (French still need some work to be done)

    Biggest losers: ISIS cutthroats, Ukrainian Nazis, EU (The Fourth Reich of Angela Merkel), NATO

  115. fodase November 9, 2016 at 10:15 am #

    I will take the unusual step on this blog of saying ” shove it up your a ss fodase.”

    thank you , barbisbest, you are that shining example of everything that decent folks of all colours and stripes abhor & rejected yesterday

    the legacy of you and yours (politically and societally) is one of failure on top of corruption, and as usual for the left has led to millions of deaths and massive societal upheaval

  116. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:21 am #

    Time will tell fincaln if the American people win with trump by I really doubt it!! I am and have been ashamed to be an American throughout his campaign with the things he said!! It makes me cry how ashamed. I heard it put this way. Trump represents an authoritarian and chauvinistic movement that is spreading in Europe and now the. U. S. Scary.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 10:29 am #

      Just have a little faith, that’s all.

  117. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:25 am #

    Fodase.. And that didn’t happen under. Bush, what you describe above? Pllleeease. Have your. Trump. Fodase. Hillary won this by default.

  118. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:37 am #

    Thank you fincaln for asking to have faith. I have some but not in this trump. But since he’s so great, ask him to fix the grid while he’s at it. No one usually talks about how decrepit it is. We should all go and rearrange our deck chairs if we haven’t already.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 10:42 am #

      Well, fixing the grid that’s the exciting part!

      Think of all new jobs for legal Americans.

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 10:43 am #

      Coward. Why not login as WPA, Asoka? Instead, another pseudonym, another avatar.

      Grow the fuck up

  119. fodase November 9, 2016 at 10:40 am #

    yes, you support the ultra-corrupt and incompetent politician who inexplicably becomes insanely wealthy while on the public payroll and whose emails are hacked by the entire world while serving as the highest ranking US diplomat

    and who wants to import massive numbers of America-hating mohammedans

    and who openly supports blm racists who openly call for and commit the ASSASSINATION of law enforcement officers

    and who wanted to impose a 65% estate tax

    and whose daughter used $3 million from the so-called charitable foundation to pay for her wedding and expenses and paid no taxes

    yes, we see who you are deep down inside, just one of innumerable zombies who uphold evil as good and ajudge good to be evil

  120. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:43 am #

    I’m going for a Guinness… What’s the record for posts. Apology. J k. For monopolizing. Long live the trumps t er our fearless leade.

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 10:45 am #

      WPAsoka clone. Go find your huevos, cobarde

  121. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:50 am #

    Never said I supported Hillary fodase! I’m against trump. And yes I was very ashamed during this election. Save your energy Fodase and get ready.

  122. fodase November 9, 2016 at 10:51 am #

    ….plus you (barbisbest) are incoherent and scatterbrained, like the majority (though not all) lefty zombies.

    as always, you have no rebuttal to facts, the hallmark of a democrat drone

  123. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 10:56 am #

    No matter who I support Fodase, Hillary wins. She’s not president. You May be surprised what trump will be capable of. He said and I heard it, he loves war. Well there will be war no matter. Of the wwlll variety soon.

  124. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 10:57 am #

    President Obama: no matter what happens, the sun will rise in the morning and America will still be the greatest Nation on Earth

    youtube.com/watch?v=99qdQM4d7-M

    • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 11:10 am #

      I hope Obama will get along with Trump when he leaves the White House and settles with his lovely family in their brand new DC house.

      Obama still has his role to play in the restoration of the Republic.

      • pequiste November 9, 2016 at 11:25 am #

        On the day of the inauguration, Barack “Barry Soetoro” Hussein Obama , George Soros’ and NWO’s tool, would do best to be like his predecessor, George “Dubya” Bush and just go the hell away.

        The Clintons would do well to consider a second home and citizenship in Haiti.

        • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 11:33 am #

          Solving the problem of legitimacy through repression is possible, but it will be very costly. We know from our own Russian experience that repression improve the manageability of the system, but beat out of it a large number of key managers, which are difficult to replace quickly and even more difficult to find a quality replacement.

          Moreover, the groups that are being repressed have a bad habit of exerting revenge, sabotage, and attracting foreign players to support their struggle for existence. In sum, these factors support the first conclusion. Even in the case of successful winner of repression towards the defeated system will be seriously weakened, and in the event of unfortunate circumstances may even collapse into a full-fledged civil war;

          kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fat-lady-sore-throat/#comment-284036

  125. Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 11:01 am #

    Anybody remember this dude?

    Harold E. Stassen, a former governor of Minnesota, educator, and special presidential assistant who won an early reputation as a ”boy wonder” of politics only to be remembered as the man who unsuccessfully sought the Republican Party’s presidential nomination nine times

    Will this be Hillary’s destiny?

    • messianicdruid November 9, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

      No, she will disappear soon.

  126. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 11:02 am #

    The Bush administration was responsible. For a million deaths fodase that’s a fact. Call me what you will Fodase. I’m sure you’re probably male.

  127. capt spaulding November 9, 2016 at 11:02 am #

    Trump’s win is somewhat surprising, but what isn’t surprising is the country’s repudiation of Washington DC. I think that Trump supporters have more in common with Bernie Sander’s supporters than people realize. Corporations own the politicians in DC, and left and right wing don’t support the corrupt structure that has developed there. With Hillary it was gonna be business as usual. I only voted for her because I think Trump is a little bit crazy, but I guess time will tell if I was wrong.

  128. elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 11:06 am #

    Ding Dong,

    The Wicked Witch,

    Is Dead.

    yeah….

  129. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    Obama too is responsible for many foreign deaths. Well see how We’ll trump will do. But don’t count on it being better.

  130. K-Dog November 9, 2016 at 11:16 am #

    Obviously the media and big brains behind the polls were saying one thing while America’s disgust at having a private server and a ‘foundation’ to sell political favors with was under-estimated and under-reported; illegal content or no. America preffered to spin the dice. I like that, I just wish someone else was the croupier.

    On the bright side I prefer being watched by Trumps secret police rather than Clintons secret police. I hope I am not given reason to change my mind about that.

    Trump is an accomplished showman but beyond that he is an idiot. His stupidity won’t matter if he surrounds himself with smart competent people though. The problem there is to select good people the dice again must roll and the odds of Trump selecting good well balanced people is slim.

    On the basis of who would be more amusing Trump was always the clear choice. Homey D. Clown has indeed won!

    • Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

      America preffered (sic) to spin the dice.

      ===========

      Hey Dog, what say we straighten out this gambling metaphor you’re using.

      One spins the wheel or rolls the dice…..take your pick.

      Also, it’s America preferred.

      • K-Dog November 9, 2016 at 11:20 pm #

        I picked both as you can see. As to preferred:

        fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft on that.

        What would you do without our mestakes Q. Shtik? We give your existence here meaning and purpose!

  131. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 11:18 am #

    Yep. Elysian field we get the vile Warnock instead. You’re alright fincaln. Thanks for not assaulting me personally. You’re alright. Long live the elite and the one party system.

    • bukowskisghost November 9, 2016 at 11:29 am #

      It was embarrassing to watch the MSM in disbelief last night when Trump won. They all acted like entitled, spoiled children who were denied their birthday cake…. Awww, those poor tools of the power structure, I loved it!!!! I have never in 68 years despised a candidate more the Hillary. … now some of those black media stars are calling Trumps win a white backlash… no, it’s a reaction to a smug, entitled fascist regime that’s outraged that “we” don’t know what’s “right” for us. I haven’t been this happy politically speaking since Nixon waved bye- bye from the helicopter.

  132. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 11:24 am #

    Thanks k dog for your post above. You’re right. Yep. Elysian field we get the evil war lock instead. Fincaln, again, you’re alright!

  133. elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am #

    ” To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women…”

    I miss Wpac….

    The hatred of many of Hollywood’s elite is visceral…Bill Mahr is a must watch this Friday. Stephen Colbert’s election night coverage was brutal to watch…certainly not entertainment. Much weeping and rending of hair in Tinsel Town, Seattle, New York, DC, et al.

    Some call me a “glass-half-full” kind of guy, but, for the first time in years, I am guardedly…hopeful. The Second Amendment should be made secure. Shoved-down-your-throat immigration will mitigate, The general assault on law enforcement will wane. Black Lives Matter? Certainly, but not to the exclusion of others…Trump promised “Law and Order”, and I expect THAT promise to be kept…in spades….

    • Cold N. Holefield November 9, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

      Who are YOU to EXPECT anything? YOU are NOTHING. YOU are NOBODY. YOU are not allowed to have EXPECTATIONS. So shut the fuck up. Trump will FCUK YOU up the ASS like he’s done to most everyone his entire career. Quit being such a fucking RUBE.

      • Majella November 9, 2016 at 5:09 pm #

        Hear Hear, Cold.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 6:03 pm #

        ” Trump will FCUK YOU up the ASS like he’s done to most everyone his entire career”

        I hope he buys me dinner first…I’m easy, but not cheap.

        • Cold N. Holefield November 9, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

          Oh, he’ll buy you dinner, alright. A Horse Meat Burger from Jack In The Box with a side of Fries and a Chocolate Shake. Then he’ll lube you up, mount you and sodomize you until you take your last breath. He won’t even allow you to clean yourself out properly with an enema prior to penetration. You prayed for it, and your prayers have been answered. Your Anal Deflowering will be delivered shortly. You’re going to get your Law & Order the Old-Fashioned Way.

          • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 6:42 pm #

            Well,
            How to turn lemons into lemonade? I can see it now…almost romantic. To try to keep a proper perspective, as well as a positive outlook, I can try channeling Sally Fields during the event…”HE LIKES ME…HE REALLY LIKES ME!”

            Afterwards, the moment might be awkward…I will ask if he will call me later…he will probably mumble some vague promise and quickly leave…. Now it is a long and painful walk home…the bastard didn’t even leave carfare!

            You are probably right, Cold, I have not the right to expect anything…even carfare.

        • seawolf77 November 10, 2016 at 9:49 am #

          He doesn’t do dinner, he’s a furniture guy. Maybe you can get a sofa out of it.

  134. volodya November 9, 2016 at 11:45 am #

    Janos is right about something. I saw it all night long as results unfolded and Hillary went from sure thing to sure loser.

    The talking heads turned themselves into rhetorical pretzels not acknowledging what was at the root of this thing. To them it was all about the “feeling” of the working class being left behind, the “feeling” of being talked down to, the “feeling” of being disrespected and on and on about “feelings”.

    The great and the glittering simply can’t recognize the hard truth of it, that tens of thousands of factories, millions of breadwinner jobs, tens of millions of dependent livelihoods, were sent overseas and which demolished whole swathes of the country. And the almighty talking-heads insist it’s all about these “feelings”.

    Maybe you can screw black people and hispanics and they’ll settle for sympathetic cooing noises or soaring proclamations about justice and equality. But an empty bank account, the repo man, eviction and foreclosure are all hard reality. It appears that white folks, this much derided and laughed-at working class, finally smelled the coffee. Remains to be seen whether working-class non-whites smell it too.

    David Brooks insists on the goodness of what he calls globalization and meritocracy. Delusion knows no limits. Sending the industrial backbone of the country to China, a nasty despotism, is LUNACY.

    I would implore these big thinkers to wake the fuck up. But if they haven’t woken up by now I doubt they ever will.

    • ozone November 9, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

      V.,
      I agree with your impressions here. (And I hope the “big thinkers” remain asleep and delusional; they’ll never see their irrelevance coming.)

      There’s an awful lot of projection going on by fools and seers alike. The plain fact of this election is that the *losers* of the Class War went to vote. They’re not supposed to do that; they’re supposed to be dispirited and too depressed to give a shit who rules. These are the folk whose concerns are not addressed by the polling institutions, and it’s why they never saw this as a possibility. Never saw it because these folks don’t count and are thus uncounted. Surprise! Boo!

      I found the whole exercise quite refreshing. Now let’s see if Trumpy the Clown can get together a public works project to give us regular scum pride in work and common goals again. …And Trumpy can put a plaque on these things with his brand! “The Grand Trump Electrical Grid”, “The Golden Trump My-Way Highway”, etc. Yes, it’s going to be interesting, any way you slice it… and events are still in charge.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

        And since Voldoya was agreeing with me, you also agree with me as well. The Math: O=V, V=J, therefore O=J.

        Welcome, Neighbor. Fellow Saxon!

  135. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:03 pm #

    And yes I still care about my nation jhk. It’s difficult to comprehend what that means now. The military industrial complex, The rapacious greed on wall street, the racketeering of institution. Hard to know. May be you still care about your nation.

  136. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:12 pm #

    I should have known you were male Elysian.

    • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 12:19 pm #

      “I should have known you were male Elysian.”

      Barb,
      You mean the Conan reference? Not directed at you. I just thought it humorous, and apropos to the moment.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 12:20 pm #

        …or of the moment….

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

      The Ultimate and Original Sin that can only be overcome by castration, be it overt or only subtle. The radical Feminists reject even that, believing that man should be reduced to at most 10% of the population until such time as they can be eliminated all together.

  137. elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

    Trump’s election might allow resets.

    Turkey?
    Philippines?
    Russia?
    Venezuela?
    Cuba?
    North Korea?

    All clean slates as of Trump’s ascendency. He has no baggage on the International stage. He can pivot in any direction. He, really does not have to answer for US foreign policy, its mistakes, nor it’s violations of the sovereignty, dignity, or human rights of other states. As of this moment, he has a Get-Out-Of-Jail Free Card…we’ve never seen this in our lifetimes. Can he fuck it up? Of Course. But at least we have a shot….

    • SteveO November 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm #

      Add in the real important players:

      Iran
      Saudi Arabia

      Now that the Bush decedents are out, maybe can get changes in our policy toward the ME.

      The neocons will scream bloody murder. I can’t wait.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 6:16 pm #

        Steve,
        I purposely did not list Iran, as their enmity is deeply held as part of their religion…I can’t imagine anything, short of a regime change and a secular government, that would make any difference in their hatred towards us.

        A pivot in the Middle East might involve uniting forces with Russia to destroy ISIS, with a promise to allow Russia free reign in Syria and assurances to suffer Assad’s governance…then get the Fuck out of Dodge(the entire ME), and let the Russians fight the tribes, large and small…Saudi Arabia? Wahhabis? Dos Vidanya Mazerfaka!

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

      Germany? France? All of Western Europe? If Trump pulls us out of NATO, can the West be saved? No doubt countless White Americans would be willing to go to Europe and fight the Muslims alongside their brothers. Putin could support from the East if need be.

      • elysianfield November 9, 2016 at 6:50 pm #

        “Germany? France? All of Western Europe? If Trump pulls us out of NATO, can the West be saved?”

        Pull out of NATO? And what if he does? Are the Europeans wards of our state? Well, probably… but they are soon to be reaching their age of majority…time to kick their asses out of the nest. Daddy will always be available for advice, money, even weapons.

    • Majella November 9, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

      It’ll all come down to his advisers AND Trump himself developing some level of focus & concentration. His open mouth shows him to be a blithering clusterfuck of disjointed incoherence at the best of times, and the rest of it, he’s trying to get his tongue down someone’s throat.

  138. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 12:20 pm #

    Moscow liberals are drinking sedatives mixed up with vodka, and reflect on how to dip into the propaganda budget of the Russian Federation: their budget lines in the US State Department are awaiting severe sequestration.

    There is nothing more painful than unfulfilled hopes, although they are still hoping for a miracle.

  139. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

    I should have known you are a man Elysian. The more I think back on trump’s behavior during his campaign, the more I see, the more I know what clinton is capable of, the more I believe, as sad as it is, it may be a good thing that we are, as mcpherson says, the last of our species.

  140. tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 12:50 pm #

    Just got the results this past hour. Hillary wins the popular vote? Am I really awake?

    Yep. I thought it would be the other way ’round, if anything.

    Astounding. Even if just by a few hundred k or so.

    Anybody want to put on their thinking caps? I think I asked this before.

    What is the maximum number of popular votes a candidate can win by and still lose the electoral college?

    • FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

      100%?

      • tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

        Ooops, Sorry Finca, but at least you tried. Thank you. The answer is no one definitive number, and difficult to determine because of the many variables involved. For example, specific state by state inputs.

        Don’t mean to spin heads, but one could also ask, what is the maximum number of popular votes a candidate could lose by and still win the electoral college. Is Trump’s popular vote loss number the maximum, still allowing him the electoral college? Who knows?

        One certainly can’t say off the top of one’s head.
        Much computation, many variables.

  141. FincaInTheMountains November 9, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

    Other biggest losers: Trans-National Corporations: time to give back acquired by “hard work” – or in other words stolen from the US budget in the form of various offshore tax schemes.

  142. pequiste November 9, 2016 at 1:01 pm #

    There are two men who must be thanked for their tireless, and most dangerous work, in exposing the gangrene of corruption in the American body politic:

    Julian Assange of Wikileaks and Edward Snowden, late of the NSA.

    THANK YOU BOTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!

    Saved the world from the clutches of the CLinton’s and probably the next world war, well, maybe at least for a little while.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

      Don’t forget the rogue FBI agents. Who knows how many leaks came from them? And of course, Mr O’Keefe of Project Veritas, which excoriated the Demons in the last few days.

  143. Cactus Girl November 9, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

    Dammit. Now I’ll never get my taco truck. I was looking forward to having one on my corner. 🙁

  144. Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:18 pm #

    THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
    by Rudyard Kipling

    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy — willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    Read that last verse again. This didn’t come out of nowhere, but after decades of mockery and abuse. And “It will not swiftly abate”. History begins again. What we say matters. What you say doesn’t matter. The White Race is back in the Game. Van Jones is right, Rush is wrong: This is all about Race. A Whitelash!

    • messianicdruid November 9, 2016 at 6:16 pm #

      Don’t you find it interesting that among all the people who ran for the Presidency on both the Republican and Democrat sides, that one of the two whose child had intermarried with the elite New York Jews ended up winning?

      • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 10:33 pm #

        So you think the Tribe’s hatred of Trump was all an act? That’s a bridge too far – conspiracy thinking pushed to the point of circularity and absurdity. A great artist knows when to stop. Better to stop a bit too soon than a bit too late: I knew one guy who thought Hitler was Jewish and the Holocaust a Jewish plan.

        This kind of thinking makes the Enemy all knowing and all powerful. Not only does it lead to impotence and capitulation, but it is even a kind of worship of Evil as all powerful and all knowing.

  145. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

    Sorry cactus girl. No, you won’t get much from trump except.. Well, see cold n holefield’s post above. What did he say, a something up a something. Excuse the periods qshtick. I don’t own a computer. Btw. I still say good luck chump trump. You’re gonna need it. So are We.

  146. K-Dog November 9, 2016 at 2:33 pm #

    “Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
    Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
    Everybody knows the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows

    Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied
    Everybody got this broken feeling
    Like their father or their dog just died
    Everybody talking to their pockets
    Everybody wants a box of chocolates
    And a long-stem rose
    Everybody knows

    Everybody knows that you love me baby
    Everybody knows that you really do
    Everybody knows that you’ve been faithful
    Ah, give or take a night or two
    Everybody knows you’ve been discreet
    But there were so many people you just had to meet
    Without your clothes
    And everybody knows

    Everybody knows, everybody knows
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows

    And everybody knows that it’s now or never
    Everybody knows that it’s me or you
    And everybody knows that you live forever
    Ah, when you’ve done a line or two
    Everybody knows the deal is rotten
    Old Black Joe’s still pickin’ cotton
    For your ribbons and bows
    And everybody knows

    And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
    Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
    Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
    Are just a shining artifact of the past
    Everybody knows the scene is dead
    But there’s gonna be a meter on your bed
    That will disclose
    What everybody knows

    And everybody knows that you’re in trouble
    Everybody knows what you’ve been through
    From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
    To the beach of Malibu
    Everybody knows it’s coming apart
    Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
    Before it blows
    And everybody knows

    Everybody knows, everybody knows
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows” – Leonard Cohen

  147. Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

    youtube.com/watch?v=sn4mVDtqi7g

    And the Lion’s name? Trump in the West. Putin in the East.

  148. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

    Cactus girl. I almost forgot, trump promised big tax cuts for the wealthy. His rich friends which, I’m sure, will include. H. R. C. Herself again soon. Happy holidays! What better gift could there be.

  149. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

    Love that cohen thing above kdog. Thanks! Cept there weren’t no nights or two, well, not literally.

  150. fodase November 9, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

    funny to read the nonsense about Trump being a bozo, Trump not having policies

    the guy offers you the best, most rational platform in generations and you excoriate him

    try to offer some factual reasons why he can’t e.g. build the wall, or negotiate better trade deals, or attract back US corporations by slashing taxes

    get real, you people just sound so economically illiterate

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

      Trump grabbed America by the Pussy, like it was a bowling bowl, and then rolled a strike. Barb can’t forgive Trump – or any man – for having that kind of mastery.

      C.S Lewis’s “Surrender is an erotic necessity” sums it up nicely. Now we are just flesh and fallible much of the time. Obviously any woman can find fault and not surrender easily enough. But the urge to surrender is still there. Traditional Cultures allow women like this to remain celibate and hopefully surrender to something higher than mere men – God Himself. And Lewis does emphasize that the soul is feminine in relation to God – and the quality of Masculinity experienced will be proportionately much greater.

      • Cactus Girl November 9, 2016 at 3:53 pm #

        Meh. Trump won because the DNC was arrogant, smug and full of hubris. They did not listen to the people, who wanted Bernie. They purposely excluded him, cheated him, threatened him, made fun of his followers, and acted like the smug, arrogant, spoiled brats that they are. And Bernie turned out to be a schlemiel with feet of clay who betrayed his followers. Hillary thought she was above consorting with the riff-raff. And don’t forget Wiki-leaks. I think they had a lot to do with what happened.

        The DNC and Hillary are responsible for this. As much as I dislike them, the Republicans went with the peoples choice.

        • K-Dog November 9, 2016 at 11:37 pm #

          “Trump won because the DNC was arrogant, smug and full of hubris. ”

          Sort of like the ending of Animal Farm!


          “Years pass on Animal Farm, and the pigs become more and more like human beings—walking upright, carrying whips, and wearing clothes. Eventually, the seven principles of Animalism, known as the Seven Commandments and inscribed on the side of the barn, become reduced to a single principle reading “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Napoleon entertains a human farmer named Mr. Pilkington at a dinner and declares his intent to ally himself with the human farmers against the laboring classes of both the human and animal communities. He also changes the name of Animal Farm back to the Manor Farm, claiming that this title is the “correct” one. Looking in at the party of elites through the farmhouse window, the common animals can no longer tell which are the pigs and which are the human beings. ”
          – Spark Notes

          The DNC started to act like the Republican party with extra identity politic spicings thrown into the mix. The problem with acting like a Republican when you are not one though is that it makes real Republicans more honest than you are and consequently they then deserve more respect than you do.

        • seawolf77 November 10, 2016 at 9:37 am #

          A Clinton/Sanders ticket was unbeatable. That was her big mistake. Why pick Kaine? The guy had the charisma of gravel.

    • messianicdruid November 9, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

      You don’t invite them back. You put tariffs on their products so industries here can compete with slaves. Take away the incentive to abandon us.

  151. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

    F Fodase. I heard. R. Priebus talking to a media wo n k. Today saying the wall is just a metaphor. They’re already walking it back. Chill out fo d as e. It’s gonna be great with trump
    You’ll see.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

      You could be right. But imagine our rage if he doesn’t keep faith with us. The next Leader will be a Hitler.

  152. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 3:47 pm #

    It hasn’t even been 24 hrs. And they’re walking it back. What a shock.

  153. tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 4:11 pm #

    What is the maximum number of popular votes a candidate can win by and still lose the electoral college?

    To those who did not care to don their thinking caps, or while so attired were preoccupied with other weighty matters, the answer lies a bit above, in response to Finca’s brave shot from the hip.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 4:35 pm #

      Aristotle: Republics degenerate into Democracies and Democracies into Tyrannies. The People must have less say in the future. There is no other way. Not by going forward and down, but by going back and up.

      • tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 5:55 pm #

        A monumental day! But the people have spoken, and yes, I don’t like it. More for Hillary, less for Trump.

        Forward and down, back and up. Have you seen the movie “Sideways”? Hilarious.

        Aristarchus, Eratosthenes, Archimedes, and of course Pythagoras. The purity of number. At least the integers.

        The numbers remain pure, their manipulation does not.

  154. Q. Shtik November 9, 2016 at 4:35 pm #

    I have Muslim friends who are texting me tonight, saying, “Should I leave the country?” – Van Jones

    =============

    First of all, Van, I doubt even one Muslim ‘friend’ texted you to ask if they should leave the country. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. What you should say is: “yeah, Ahmed, I definitely think you should leave the country.”

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

      It was the Luis Farrakhan variety… with a felony warrant

    • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 8:43 pm #

      Who was responsible for starting the Los Angeles riot in 1994?

  155. fodase November 9, 2016 at 5:45 pm #

    Glorious Trump is not walking back the wall, he is merely positioning himself to gin up the necessary support.

    He has to deal with new types of pussies, political ones that don’t understand the power he wields.

    If there is no physical wall, there will still be a virtually failproof barrier along the southern border.

    I’m still surprised all you experts out here failed to see that President Trump would triumph.

    We told you so numerous times.

  156. Buck Stud November 9, 2016 at 6:18 pm #

    “And Buck Stud, you are such a fucking PUSSY, it’s embarrassing. Change your fucking name you fucking loser.”–Cold

    Whoa, calm down there Swashbuckling Hemingway. After all, aren’t you the one who claimed to be above the political fray; that you ‘didn’t care’ one way or another; not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties!?

    No, Trump won a dominating victory and as individual I have to respect the will of the greater whole and especially so when things don’t go my way. That’s the way it’s supposed to work in this country.

    Beyond that I want to see which Trump shows up to preside. Will it be the Trump looking out for the ‘little guy’ who carried his water in the election or will it be same Old GOP seeking to maximize corporate profits?

    A few months ago I was having some dark thoughts about the possibility of a Trump presidency, But one night I had one of “those dreams”. In my dream Trump was compassionate and yet befuddled: Why didn’t I like him because it was going to be alright. It made an impression; in fact I thought it was a signal that he would win but a signal I denied and strongly resisted in day to day life. That dream couldn’t be true, or so I told myself.

    You probably think that’s bullshit but it’s the truth.

    Bottom line: In my mind I have to give Trump a chance and wait and see what he’s really all about. I’m hoping the “Unifier” shows up for the job.

    • tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm #

      Like Walter Crow Horse said to Ray Levoi in “Thunderheart”, “You had yourself a vision”.

    • malthuss November 9, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

      Swashbuckling Hemingway.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      thats funny.

  157. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 6:21 pm #

    And as I’ve told you Fodase several times Fodase, trump loses. Just like j h k wrote, who will win the black spot of fate. We know who did! What don’t you get. No I won’t leave my nation. I’m going down with the ship.

    • Frankiti November 9, 2016 at 6:34 pm #

      WPAsoka with yet another nom de plume

  158. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

    Fodase. What don’t you get. Winner loses. It’s like j h k wrote, who will win the dark spot of fate. We know now. And when the pres. Speaks on t.v. I will turn it off so my skin doesn’t crawl. I Will go down with the nation because that is my heritage! When the civil war breaks out which is likely to ensue, and seems to have commenced here, I will swallow my fear, I will not cry. That fodase you can take to the bank. I May even pray for you on my way down. That is my heritage!

  159. tucsonspur November 9, 2016 at 6:59 pm #

    It can’t be denied. The electoral college decides the winner.

    So, my questions above are extremely pertinent. What if a candidate wins the popular vote by say, 2.8 million, but loses the electoral vote?

    It may be unlikely, but demographics are always shifting, and so it is certainly possible.

    I know, it’s an old question. “Should the electoral college be abolished”?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 9, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

      My old professor lived in a town of 13,000 or so. Direct New England Town Democracy. Of the 13,000, only a few hundred played any regular part in it. The moral? When people aren’t excluded, they will exclude themselves. Have room for another moral? So let’s make the exclusion rational and useful. Maybe an occasional petition for everyone to vote on, but for the most part, let those who know and care make the decisions.

      • tucsonspur November 10, 2016 at 1:32 am #

        Exclusion by choice is one thing. Forced exclusion another.

        Our current system seems to be the best to date.

        It has a number of positive features, but it is strange isn’t it? It is non-exclusionary, both wise men and fools can vote, yet it can exclude the entire “winning” voting block.

        Thus allowing the “whitelash”.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

          It was almost too late. The People are always slow to react and are usually wrong about everything. There has to be more Elitism, much more. Only the qualified should vote. And if that excludes me, that’s fine.

          Jackson though he was giving America back to the people by opening up the vote. But he was just handing America over the Elite. The only solution to a bad Elite is a good Elite.

          • elysianfield November 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

            “The only solution to a bad Elite is a good Elite”

            Janos,
            It has been said that the most effective form of government would be the benign dictatorship….

  160. barbisbest November 9, 2016 at 7:00 pm #

    That sir is my heritage in this beautiful nation sir! This nation that has been turned into a cesspool of greed and avarice in a little over 200 years. I live now each day finding something lovely and I have not much fear. I refuse. This nation has kicked the can of issues down the road for 40 years or more. If my nation goes down, I go down.

  161. fodase November 9, 2016 at 8:12 pm #

    When the civil war breaks out which is likely to ensue,

    you are so blind. barry obama just spent 8 years nearly getting us into a race/civil war

    do i have to explain how?

    that’s all your left looney bin side does, foment civil unrest & abomination. you call wickedness good.

    jeezus you people are deplorable, irredeemable, as a corrupt, incompetent politician once said

  162. Cactus Girl November 9, 2016 at 10:01 pm #

    Question:
    The electoral college votes in Dec.. I know it never happens, but theoretically, lets say some of them that are in states without binding oaths and fines decide to vote their non-existent consciences, and give their vote to the one who won the popular vote. Would the fact that she has already conceeded make a difference there?

  163. K-Dog November 9, 2016 at 11:56 pm #

    A chasm is opening along the eastern border of California where it meets Arizona continuing north up along the Nevada Utah border. It is about a mile wide and growing.The Washington – Oregon border with Idaho is also opening up. The chasms will soon join and begin filling with seawater as the Clinton Coast begins to drift away from Trumpland.

    Cascadia we shall be!

  164. FincaInTheMountains November 10, 2016 at 12:22 am #

    It is clear now that the Trump victory at the polling stations on November 8 was preceded by a backstage victory of the Deep State – an assortment of various intelligence agencies plus FBI plus NY PD plus NSA.

    That day, November 6, when FBI Director James Comey said that the resumption of the case against Hillary Clinton is closed, Hillary canceled the fireworks in New York on the occasion of her victory.

    In my opinion, this is clear evidence that Hillary was broken up with one simple but killer argument – you can win the elections, rigging the results as well as you did in democratic primaries, even not allowing to count votes in California and taking Sanders’s brother grandchildren hostages to the island, where Bill Clinton and some other high-ranking US politicians love to spend time in the company of minors. But then the FBI will have to open all their trump cards and indict Hillary of High Treason – a capital offence.

    Confirmation of the threat was sent to Clinton through the other channels. On November 4 the chairman of House Homeland Security Committee Michael McCaul said that he believes the actions of Hillary Clinton represent High Treason, since the transfer of secret information over insecure channels dealt a blow to the national security, as well as to all US intelligence operatives outside of the country.

    When the deal was made, the US electoral system was allowed to honestly count votes of American voters, bringing victory to Donald Trump.

    So, that is why I do not expect continuation of the case against Clintons or their Foundation to proceed, unless some new circumstances will surface, not covered by the deal.

    God does work in mysterious ways.

  165. FincaInTheMountains November 10, 2016 at 12:42 am #

    On the eve of November 8th the World was on the verge of turning a new Cold War into a hot stage. It would have happened if Hillary won the US presidential election, Hillary Clinton – a formal leader of the planetary party of the war, which was ready to plunge the entire world into bloody chaos of a nuclear Holocaust just to prove their exceptionalism.

    In fact, the world was separated from the threat of its beginning by only one step – another provocation against Russian troops in Syria, forcing Moscow to respond.

    Sure, it was an attempt of Satan’s forces to gain power over the world and to destroy the God’s creation.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 1:07 am #

      No doubt she would have appointed some of those horrible light skinned Black women name Rice too.

  166. K-Dog November 10, 2016 at 2:18 am #

    Protest has been everywhere.

    The fat lady does not only have a sore throat. She also has a bad case of the runs.

    • Frankiti November 10, 2016 at 5:41 am #

      College kids experiencing disappointment, and not getting what they want the first time. On top of that they feel scared and insulted. This is a recipe for a tantrum.

  167. barbisbest November 10, 2016 at 6:49 am #

    First, veterans thank you for your service. Donald j. Trump is president of the u.s. in will not protest in the streets.( There will be civil war soon enough.) but he will never be my president. I bet the j. In donslds name stands for jesus. Jus t because d j t was elected Fincaln doesn’t mean there will not be war soon. It’s coming soon enough. I hope you have your piece handy j h k. Hillary won the popular vote. One vote equals one person. My vote wasn’t counted. The election is rigged!

    • FincaInTheMountains November 10, 2016 at 6:53 am #

      One vote equals one person

      Barb, you’re mixing up Republic with Democracy. US is a Republic.

    • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2016 at 6:57 am #

      Asoka, WPA etc … for Chrissake how many different names do you use on this site?

      Give it up.

      brh

    • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

      Putin and Russia were very happy at Trump’s election. Why? Because Hillary promised to keep going down the path that leads to war. Most people get this. How is it that you don’t?

  168. BackRowHeckler November 10, 2016 at 6:52 am #

    Prepare yourself, CFNers.

    AntiWar protesters taking to the streets, ‘Homeless’ advocates raising hell, Poverty Pimps spouting off … they’ve been silent for 8 years now — they’ll be a regular staple of daily life from here on in.

    Also, the MSM, ass kissing syncopants running flak and shilling for the President since 2008 — expect that to come to an end. Now it’ll be ‘speaking truth to power’, ‘aggressively seeking’ the truth, and all that other BS from these partisan, lying, mendacious pieces of sh-t.

    brh

    • FincaInTheMountains November 10, 2016 at 6:57 am #

      Unless massive subversion operation will start on Social Media and some money will be spread around, nothing to worry about – just making sure that the kids won’t hurt themselves by accident.

      • BackRowHeckler November 10, 2016 at 7:25 am #

        $$ spread around by Soros?

        The snowflakes and precious little pearls on local college campuses have requested classes be cancelled for a few days due to fear and feelings of anxiety … the poor dears.

        Weakness as a virtue, and a weapon.

        brh

    • stelmosfire November 10, 2016 at 11:05 am #

      Yah, they’ll protest for a while till they can get whacked on the legal pot now in Ma and CA. My wife works in a VERY liberal office, It is a social services joint. The women there were actually breaking down in tears over Hillary’s loss. I got a kick out of hearing about the pathetic losers

    • Buck Stud November 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

      Forget the liberals, brh; they’re irrelevant now. The GOP has the White House, the Senate, Congress and soon, the SCOTUS: Complete and total victory.

      Yesterday, President Elect Trump reaffirmed his commitment to infrastructure spending which is a very good start, IMO. But it won’t be ‘the liberals” derailing his aspirations; they can’t. No, it will be factions within his own party

      I hope the president to be resists these efforts and commits to his base in PA, WI, MI that won the election for him.

      As far as I can see the Democratic Party is done. They alienated and marginalized the white working class poor, by the splitting the party into myriad special interest groups and engaging in politically correct group think–ask JHK. Initially, Bernie “spoke” to their needs but he was soon vanquished and “The Bros” followed suit.

      What will be interesting to watch over the next few years for those still around, is how the GOP dismantles Obamacare, which,at the end of the day ,really failed in some very disappointing ways.(Of course, GOP obstructional intransigence guaranteed its failure as well.) The pre-existing condition clause was humane and righteous, and a lot of people with medical maladies who were previously uninsurable–including yours truly–were finally able to garner some affordable insurance. I’m not sure how much longer I will have insurance so my end days may prove very painful indeed.

      At any rate, I have to laugh at the GOP/Trump and Putin alliance talk. They could not be more divergent, ideologically speaking. For instance, this is something that will NEVER occur in this country:

      “The Constitution of the Russian Federation has provided all citizens the right to free healthcare under Mandatory Medical Insurance since 1996”

    • malthuss November 10, 2016 at 4:57 pm #

      seattle.craigslist.org/see/npo/5869093530.html

  169. capt spaulding November 10, 2016 at 9:04 am #

    We’d better get busy, Canada already started on their wall.

  170. seawolf77 November 10, 2016 at 9:29 am #

    First she loses to a black man, then she loses to a con man. I think Trump is right; it is rigged. Do I believe turnout was that poor? Not really.

    • ozone November 10, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      Just heard the turnout was 46.9% of registered voters. Pretty poor showing, if you ask me; a serious lack of give-a-shit.

  171. volodya November 10, 2016 at 11:39 am #

    Fodase, I’ll give you a factual reason. CEOs do NOT look at corporate tax rates, they look at WAGE RATES. You can cut corporate tax rates to zero and it won’t matter.

    To the CEO, corporate tax is an area to avoid like the plague. The CEO will not get involved in company tax matters, is bored to tears by company tax matters, does not want to hear about company tax matters, and leaves tax shit up to the CFO and his tax grunts.

    While the CEO makes the offshoring decisions (based on foreign wage rates), the CFO is his garbage-man-numbers-nerd-bitch. You think the CFO is powerful? He’s not, the CFO may be highly paid but he’s the CEO’s book-keeper, bullshit artist book-cooker. How many times have we seen it? Where do you think SarbanesOxley came from?

    And don’t tell me about these currently fashionable tax inversions. They make me laugh. Think of the tax revenue that disappeared from US tax coffers when tens of thousands of factories went to China along with millions of American breadwinner jobs. THAT’S why the US government has a 20 trillion dollar hole in its finances. THAT’S why social security is going down the drain. Paul Ryan sez “reform”. No, read his lips, he’s saying “good-bye”. As in put your head between your legs and kiss your ass “good-bye”.

    So now Washington is in a tizzy over some smarty pants tax lawyers and their paper shuffling legal maneuvers? Tax inversions are a smoke and mirrors nickle and dimes diversion.

    And something else, build infrastructure to attract business, especially manufacturing? Bullshit bullshit bullshit. CEOs could give a shit about infrastructure, whether it’s physical or legal or societal. CEOs relocate factories to countries with dirt roads, crap education, minimal rule of law, that do shakedowns rather than tax audits. It’s all about WAGE RATES.

    You think I’m economically illiterate? I’ve spent my life in the Belly of the Beast, I saw it all up close.

    As for the wall, build the fucking wall, do it now, stud it with gun emplacements. Trump is right about this much, you either have borders or you don’t and, as borders give physical definition to a country, you either have one or you don’t. If the US is a superpower worthy of the name, Trump will grab whatever crook is running Meheeco by the cojones and issue a direct order to start building that will make the crook piss himself in fear. That’s IF the US is a superpower worthy of the name.

    Trump also had the right idea when he told Ford, that if they moved the factories to Meheeco he’d whack the imports with 35% tariffs and nobody would buy them. About time someone said it.

    • FincaInTheMountains November 10, 2016 at 11:58 am #

      And something else, build infrastructure to attract business, especially manufacturing?

      No, build infrastructure to improve living conditions and increase the capital stock of the country.

      To attract business, especially manufacturing, slap ’em with 35% customs due if re-importing for sale back in US.

    • sprawlcapital November 10, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

      Thanks for a great comment, V.

      Borders and trade were the main reasons why on Tuesday I was within a thousandth of a millimeter of voting for Trump. Iowa gave its six electoral votes to Trump, even without me.

      No border, no country.

      Also, Trump may have a more sane foreign policy towards Russia and the middle east.

      • malthuss November 10, 2016 at 5:43 pm #

        Anchor babies, Chain migration, refugees, Legal immigrants and 70 MILLION visitors a year.

  172. Q. Shtik November 10, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

    “Awaiting Trump-Obama Meeting” reads the graphic on my TV.

    I remember this very scene exactly 8 years ago when it was Obama-Bush. Eventually the two emerged from somewhere and walked cordially together toward the camera that captured them, along a sidewalk up against the sunny side of the White House. I can still picture it.

    What struck me then, and has struck me many times since, was an affected (i.e. feigned) modestly Black swagger by the new President-Elect. Likewise, in many a speech over the ensuing 8 years, depending on the occasion and makeup of the audience, Obama would affect/feign/adopt a Black, but not TOO Black, vernacular and cadence.

    He has always been aware of a need to establish Black bona fides. The fact is that even though Obama genetically fits the definition of a mulatto perfectly, a person with one white and one black parent, he is culturally no more black than I am. He was raised by a white mother and white grandparents and to my knowledge was never influenced by life in a Black ‘hood.’

    For this reason I am conflicted about referring to Obama as our first Black president.

    If Caitlyn Jenner was elected president would ‘she’ be our first female president?

    • volodya November 10, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

      You’re right, Obama isn’t culturally American Black primarily because he’s not the descendant of Black American slaves and he wasn’t raised by descendants of Black American slaves. As I recall, at first American Blacks weren’t all that enamored of Obama for the reason you stated and so to them, Obama was an outsider. I think that hooking up with Michelle gave him some credibility in that community because she had in her background what he didn’t.

    • Cactus Girl November 10, 2016 at 9:48 pm #

      Obama is what Spike Lee calls a “pseudo black man”.

  173. pequiste November 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

    In the warm afterglow of the election, I discovered another yuge bonus from the Trump victory, besides Barack “Barry Soetoro” Hussein Obama and Miz Oh-Shit- Not-My-Turn-After-All Clinton, getting their well deserved comeuppances:

    When asked what he thought of Trump being president Kanye (West) responded by saying “We’ve got enough money to buy our own island or some shit. I’ll be damned if I raise my daughter around ignorance and flat-out blatant racism”

    Kanye West and his vile sow and issue will be leaving the USA!
    Hip hop hurrah! Hip hop hurrah! Hip hop hurrah!

  174. volodya November 10, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

    Sprawl, you’re welcome and boy, as you say, a sane foreign policy. What really kills me is the sheer effrontery of people like Gen Mike Hadley, who by now ought to know better, who throw around terms like “fact based” when they’re talking about Trump and his non-expertise in foreign policy matters. Look at what the so-called “experts” wrought. And these guys are “fact based”? Libya is an bleeding ulcer on Africa’s coast, Afghanistan is being reclaimed by the Taliban, Iraq and Syria are on-going calamities and if the so-called “experts” think Iran is going to play fair, their outta their cotton’ pickin’ minds.

    Trump, and you and me for that matter, can do worse than to keep our own counsel.

  175. janet November 10, 2016 at 1:01 pm #

    volodya: “It’s all about WAGE RATES.”

    Volodya is right. Trump wants to renegotiate NAFTA but companies have incorporated NAFTA into their operations for the last 20 years. China, too, has been incorporated into the global value chain; companies have already transferred their facilities and operations to the mainland for wage rates, as Volodya told us. Renegotiating treaties with both won’t undo that change; it’s already built into the global system.

    What it will do is incentivize countries to begin to increase tariffs on imports as well as adding quotas to imports. This is a very bad idea; in fact, just such a situation (the passage of Hawley-Smoot in 1930) greatly exacerbated the Great Depression.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 1:43 pm #

      The status quo is non-viable if that’s what you’re arguing for. American are getting screwed and the powers that be are fine with that. Trump called for a change and he got elected. You don’t like it. So what?

      • Cold N. Holefield November 10, 2016 at 1:53 pm #

        I think the Sudanese are getting screwed worse — by The Americans. Trump’s Administration will be inundated with the same people who have been doing the screwing to The Little People for what seems forever. The Continuity of Obliteration will continue unabated, except now, we get to Ronald McDonald for the next four to eight years unless……

        BRH was right about The Clown Posse — it will be Trump & his Administration brought to you by the Fat Fuck Crook, Chrispy Cream Christie.

        • volodya November 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm #

          We’ll see who the nominees are for posts like Treasury Secretary, Attorney General, Chairman of the SEC. if it’s the same old Wall Street Goldman Sachs, JPM, Wells Fargo gang then you can pretty much say that the election was for absolutely nothing.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 2:12 pm #

          For your viewing pleasure.

          dailystormer.com/chicago-white-man-brutally-beaten-by-black-mob-for-voting-trump/

          • elysianfield November 10, 2016 at 6:07 pm #

            Janos,

            Nooo, he was beaten for slavery…and shit.

  176. volodya November 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

    Here’s the deal, the political legitimacy of the gangsters running China rests on the many millions of jobs that come out of American factories that offshored there. Those factories will stay in China at gunpoint if necessary.

    And American CEOs will realize (if they haven’t already) that the term “ownership” in a place like China means nothing. The shareholders “own” the company? Well, especially not in China where such western observances as the rule of law and due process are frivolities that the local powers-that-be over-turn with a stroke of a pen and a platoon of police.

    Nope, in every way that matters, the Chinese control those factories and for now they allow American and other foreign CEO’s to run them. We’ll see how long this arrangement lasts.

    But this global regime of production in shit-holes like China and export to the US won’t last. It can’t. The sequence of financial crises of the past 20 years is testament to its unworkability.

    Two things need to be done to salvage something from the mess: 1) pay Chinese workers to buy what they make and 2) pay American workers to make what they buy.

    The two step remedy is otherwise called relocalization. Won’t happen with the current gang of oligarchs stinking up Washington and Wall Street. But, sooner or later, it has to. Gravity, in the end, always wins.

  177. Cold N. Holefield November 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

    Here’s The Deal.

    What happens when Trump goes Off Script when he becomes disenchanted with Putin and starts treating him & teasing him like he did the Disabled Reporter, or better, starts denigrating & demoralizing him like he did to Miss Venezuela? I see two things that will come of that.

    1.) Trump gets his head popped open like a ripe watermelon by The National Security State

    or

    2.) Tensions escalate between Russia & America to the point a shooting war starts that quickly moves to Nuclear.

    If you claim Trump wouldn’t dare do such a thing to someone like Putin, then that necessarily means you support a Cowardly Bully who only picks on & taunts easy, defenseless targets. What a great pick for POTUS and a great guy to get behind. Perfect for the whole lot of you, actually, since my experience is that the majority of avatars who post comments at this blog are a bunch of BIG FUCKING COWARDS, so it’s apt you’re represented by someone who reflects your basic character & disposition.

  178. volodya November 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

    OK Cold, there’s a good chance that Trump’s stay at the White House Shangri La Hotel will be short for the reason you stated. I mean, if they did it to the Kennedys…

    The blustering TV show buffoonery won’t work against an operator like Putin, nor for that matter, Xi Jinping. If Trump gets too far over his skis in a dispute with either one, it might not necessarily be domestic state security agencies that do the dirty work. Neither Putin nor Xi are noted for their squeamishness after all.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

      Uh remember, Trump talked openly about Russia being ahead of us militarily. It’s the current regime that’s getting over its skis. Don’t let these mooks turn your head around. They are trying to delegitimize the glorious victory and ascent of the God Emperor. We now control the Executive, the House, and the Senate. Soon we will control the Judiciary.

      This may be the biggest mandate in American History. Now is not the time for compromise – compromise with evil is evil. Now is the time to Lead and for the defeated to follow.

    • elysianfield November 10, 2016 at 6:13 pm #

      “The blustering TV show buffoonery”

      V,
      Been only a couple of days since the election, but I haven’t seen nor heard of Trump playing the buffoon…we may never see it again if the buffoonery was an act.

  179. tucsonspur November 10, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

    “I’ve spent my life in the Belly of the Beast, I saw it all up close”. Volodya

    Reminds me of Jack Henry Abbott’s, “In The Belly Of The Beast”, (Letters From Prison), and the time of “radical chic”. When Leonard Bernstein would throw a party for the Black Panthers, and Norman Mailer was instrumental in getting Abbott released from the Utah penitentiary where he was serving time for murder.

    Not long after his release, Abbott stabbed a young waiter to death. It was about the romantic side of murder and the “virtue” of literary talent.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

      Yes, a good writer has to be a good man. Killing someone was just some kind of mistake or misunderstanding. Likewise, beauty is truth. Beautiful women are innocent by nature – no matter what they do. In Ancient Greece, a lawyer was losing his case defending a woman who killed her husband. Suddenly you ripped her tunic off and cried, “Would you destroy such beauty?” The jury agreed they had to let her off.

      It goes on and on. Powerful people feel they are above the Law. Lots of people who want their patronage agree with them. And of course, other powerful people support their own class interests. Hillary must be prosecuted – or the Trump Revolution will lose much of its credibility. To this end, charge Hillary with nothing while Obama is in office since he will only pardon her. Then come down on her like a ton of bricks.

      • tucsonspur November 10, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

        It sickened me to hear him praise her for her “great service to the country”.

        • Frankiti November 10, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

          Ultimately, in the small networked 1% world, the toes you step on today may be attached to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow.

          • elysianfield November 10, 2016 at 6:17 pm #

            Frank,
            Well said.

      • Cold N. Holefield November 10, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

        Ummm…once you have enough Nukes to blow the world up a thousand times over, there is no one who can get ahead of you militarily unless they can neutralize your Nukes. If your Military Posture is a defensive one and not an offensive one. Our only Military Posture should be a defensive one and we have more than enough Nukes to cover it. If the rest of The World wants to develop all manner of other weapons to blow each other up with and kill each other with, so be it, unless, of course, they want to develop Nukes. That cannot be allowed for anyone any longer. We make it clear to Russia that once we withdraw militarily from The World, our Domestic Defensive Posture becomes paramount & uncompromisable. If Russia does anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to cross that line, KABOOM they go and The Planet.

        We reduce our Military significantly and use the savings for Scientific Endeavors such as rendering Nuclear Bombs useless and mitigating the negative effects of radiation if Nukes are ever used and rendering any ordinance useless in order to bring about more peaceful solutions to conflicts between cultures and nations.

        Your way results in another Arms Race and a return to the Mad Men Days. My way allows Humanity to Socially Evolve by striving to eliminate the proverbial & perpetual Nuclear Sword of Damocles hanging over Humanity’s Head.

        This shouldn’t be a problem for Putin since he has gone on record and stated, emphatically & unequivocally, that he can & will work with Trump. Good. They can work on bringing about a World without War, and that starts with each of them demilitarizing, not militarizing further as you suggest.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

        The complete article: bbs.dailystormer.com/t/now-i-am-become-president-leader-of-the-free-world/64247

        I am become President since I too am Trump.

        On a more mundane plane, I feel bad I missed Colbert’s election special. It is said to have been bizarrely hilarious, as the massive snark party turned into a disaster, with a sharp frozen smile stamped on the face of the little funny man. What was Bogart’s line, when the girl didn’t show up and was left waiting in the rain. Like dat, jus like dat.

      • sprawlcapital November 10, 2016 at 8:05 pm #

        Janos: To this end, charge Hillary with nothing while Obama is in office since he will only pardon her. Then come down on her like a ton of bricks.
        ========================================
        Spoken like a highly competent attorney; or like someone with more than ample common sense. Which makes your use of triple parentheses as an anti-semitic slur incomprehensible. Anti-semitism is the opposite of common sense.

        Germany drove out some of their best scientists before WW II on the grounds that they were Jewish. They even accused the brilliant theoretical physicist Heisenberg, a non-Jew, of practicing “Jewish science”, a figment of some Nazi official’s delirium. So tragic.

        • Janos Skorenzy November 11, 2016 at 1:02 am #

          You haven’t done your homework: the Tribe is implacably hostile to our race and civilization. Look what they did to Russia via Communism and South Africa via civil rights. We are slated for both punches.

          Under them Liberalism becomes Communism and Conservatism becomes Neo Conservatism – and both of these get along very well since they are ultimately Globalism and that is simply the Will of the International Race.

  180. tucsonspur November 10, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

    Speaking of Trump, he looked a bit sheepish this morning in the White House, didn’t he? Big stuff even for the big man.

    I voted for Trump for what I thought were the overarching issues; borders, terrorism, immigration, illegals. Hopefully he comes through on these issues at least.

    I am not for complete deregulation or even extensive deregulation of the EPA, the FDA, or most of the other agencies. I know all too well what self-regulation means.

    Will he privatize the national parks? Will he build golf courses at the Grand Canyon? He say’s it’s “America first”.

    I say it’s also Earth first. Like Jimmy Looks Twice, I’m for mother earth as well.

    • capt spaulding November 10, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

      Bad call, Tucson. Trump says he wants to get rid of NAFTA. Do you really think the republicans will go for that? They will back him on deregulations, tax cuts for the rich & corporations, They will do nothing to stop the control of the government by corporations. Check back in one year, & find out what happens when the government is run by a narcissist. Do you really think that the hoi polloi are gonna come out of this looking good? Sure, he’ll keep the Arabs out along with the Mexicans, but as far as easing the economic problems of the middle class, it’s not gonna happen. Do I sound cynical? The truth is: no matter how cynical I get, it’s never enough. We have just gone into free fall, and I have no Idea where we are gonna end up, but my guess is that it’s not gonna be good.

      • tucsonspur November 10, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

        It was a tough call. I agree that this doesn’t look good for the little guy. Taking the longer view, open borders, endless immigration, sanctuary cities, infiltration by hostiles, and a deadly overdose of political correctness was much less palatable.

        In addition, isn’t the government already pretty much controlled by the corporations? And think of Hillary and Wall Street.

        Sorry to say, but the hoi polloi, the little guy, will have to tough it out again. Yeah, it really was far from an easy call. The old saying is too often true isn’t it? That it will all roll downhill.

        • Frankiti November 10, 2016 at 5:29 pm #

          When will you people wake up? It’s never for about the “little guy”. Never! It’s about the big guy, the big ideas, the big money, the big power. It’s how nature works. Get big or go home.

      • Frankiti November 10, 2016 at 5:39 pm #

        I was surprised to hear JHK’s last podcast. It was ostensibly about the Technospehere, but it was mostly about the human concept of progress. Humans, at least most, are incapable of disentangling the concept of progress from linear time. Time elapsed means progress, it means forward, it means a march for better and for good. This is entirely incorrect. It is a device employed by the human mind for a few beneficial evolutionary and coping reasons. There are people like Schmidt over at Alphabet that believe that progress over time in technology is inherently good. Augmented humanity, an eternal uploaded conscious, synthetic humans… and here we are, some of us, demanding that we deserve better, it’s 2016 and we have elected a megalomaniac over another megalomaniac. This should not happen. We are humanity, and time has elapsed, and that has taught us that things always change for the better… we can’t read the future and we sure as hell can’t read the past.

    • Cold N. Holefield November 10, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

      That’s my stance as well, but I’m afraid that, in a few short years, the White House may be called The Trump House and right next store, Trump’s Family, since like The Corleones they’ll be running The Family Business for him while he’s playing golf as POTUS, will erect a Trump Plaza D.C. for all the Grand Poobahs who come to visit the Emperor with the Golden Hair and Small Hands.

  181. Janos Skorenzy November 10, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

    On the far end of Manhattan’s West Side, a different story was unfolding at the Jacob Javits Center. A massive convention hall named after former New York senator (((Jacob Javits))), it was supposedly chosen for its glass ceiling, which Clinton would symbolically shatter as our first female president-elect. Instead, it became a glass pitcher of liberal tears. The choice for Clinton’s ill-fated coronation symbolized something else as well. (((Javits))) was a major force behind the 1965 Hart-Celler Act, which ended the country’s eurocentric immigration quotas and resulted in the rising tide of color we are currently grappling with. Each generation has become more “diverse,” and so in turn each cohort of new voters. It’s why New York was a solid lock for parachute candidate Clinton, and a hopeless cause for its native son, President Trump.

    As the post mortems will surely tell us in the next few days, there just wasn’t enough turnout from voters of color. There just weren’t enough Hart-Celler Americans to stop President Trump. Not even the creation of an entirely new minority class over the last 50 years, Latinos, was enough to prevent a nativist and civic nationalist from being elected. But frankly, this was our last opportunity to strike back at the ballot. President Trump won by a wavy Caucasian hair. Having to literally drive the Amish to the polls in order to save the White race was poetic, though not a long-term solution.

    • malthuss November 10, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

      Yes, USA population is TRIPLING, as Bean Bill noted.

  182. capt spaulding November 10, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

    For as long as I can remember, the Republicans have been known as the party of the rich. They have never changed their tune. Even after they & George W Bush almost destroyed the country economically, they still wanted to deregulate, lower taxes for business and individuals, get rid of social security, let corporations run wild, etc. You would think that people would have learned after eight years of Republican rule almost ruined the country, that people would have figured out that their recipe doesn’t work. Here we are, eight years after that debacle, and they have won again. It seems that that old saying: Democracy contains the seeds of it’s own destruction, is more appropriate than ever. I guess we deserve to go where we are headed. I guess, cynic that I am, if we are collectively that stupid, then we deserve to go down.