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Elegy

     A few weeks ago I flew to Chicago, hopped into a rent-a-car, and navigated my way on the tangle of interstate highways to the now mostly former industrial region in the northwest corner of Indiana just off lowest Lake Michigan between the towns of Whiting and Gary. The desolation of human endeavor lay across the land like nausea made visible, but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been. 
     Not much more than 150 years ago this was a region of marshes, dunes, swales, laurel slicks, and little backwater ponds of the huge lake. The forbidding flat emptiness of the terrain made it perfect for running railroad track, and before long much of the heavy industry that epitomized the modern interval opened for business there, downwind from the pulsating new organism called Chicago. The storied steel mills of Gary are gone, and the numberless small shops and sheds that turned out useful widgets exist now, if at all, as ghostly brick and concrete shells along the stupendous grid of highways. 
     The one gigantic enterprise still going was the BP oil refinery, originally the Standard Oil operation, a demonic jumble of pipes, retorts, and exhaust stacks that sprawled over hundreds of acres, with flared off plumes of leaping orange flame from gas too cheap to sell lurid against the Great Lakes sunset in a lower key of rose and salmon pink. The refinery was there to support the only other visible activity in region, which was motoring.
     In a place so desolate it was hard to tell where everybody was going in such numbers on the endless four-laners. Between the ghostly remnants of factories stood a score of small cities and  neighborhoods where the immigrants settled five generations ago. A lot of it was foreclosed and shuttered. They were places of such stunning, relentless dreariness that you felt depressed just imagining how depressed the remaning denizens of these endless blocks of run-down shoebox houses must feel. Judging from the frequency of taquerias in the 1950s-vintage strip-malls, one inferred that the old Eastern European population had been lately supplanted by a new wave of Mexicans. They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun. There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn’t worked out well.
      Yet people were coming and going in their cars from the welfare ruins of East Chicago to the even more spectacular tatters of Gary, where the old front porches are disappearing into prairie grass and the 20th century retreats into the mists of mythology. For a while, I suppose, people were interested that the Michael Jackson nativity occurred there, but that, too, is a shred of history now merging with the fabled wendigo of the Wyandots and the fate of the North American mastodon. You might draw the conclusion that driving cars is the only activity left in certain parts of the USA. Many of the ones I saw in this forsaken corner of the Midwest were classic beaters occupied by young men in pairs searching, searching, searching. It takes a certain special kind of mental bearing to persist in searching such a place for something that is not there.
     I was never so glad to get out of a place than those hundred-odd square miles of soured American dreamland. I was driving too, along with everybody else, on the Dan Ryan Expressway (US I-94), and for about 20 miles or so, from Pullman to the West Loop, the traffic barely pulsed along, like the contents in the terminal portion of the human gastrointestinal tract. This is what remains out in the Heartland of our country: a place so dire that you want to race shrieking from it and forget what you saw there. I have a feeling that its agonizing return to nature – or what’s left of nature – will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn’t want to be around when the driving stops.
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. treuburger April 30, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    First!!

  2. kulturcritic* April 30, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    Basically James, we have lost our equilibrium. Right now the train is being driven by a thoroughly myopic vision. Best, kC
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/equilibrium-and-the-fall-of-icarus/

  3. anticapitalistcharley April 30, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    post-fossil-fuel-age-inspired blog is coming along (ruthless critique of everything wrong), read here:
    http://subversesjournal.wordpress.com/

  4. Leibowitz Society April 30, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    It’s funny how much of our landscape is becoming a testament to overreach and failed business dreams. This is just another symptom that we’re well on our way to collapse.
    Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://www.leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/greek-diaspora.html for more information and discussion about our continuing collapse into a new Dark Age.

  5. Pucker April 30, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    “I crashed the gate…do’n 98…I said: ‘Let them truckers roll…10-4!”
    http://www.myspace.com/pulaspace/photos/46793806#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A46793806%7D

  6. Jimmy Drinkwater April 30, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    HA…. JHK I see you’ve resharpened all the tools from your wordsmith toolbag, quite the imagery you’ve conjured this morning.
    When the the driving stops, for some of us the riding begins!
    http://alttransbikes.blogpot.com

  7. Hammering Truth April 30, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Hello James, Illinois like the USA is bankrupt. I happen to live upwind from Chicago. We are taking on a considerable amount of mercury and other pollutants from whats left of the Chicago smokestacks. I just smile because I know my government loves me: http://youtu.be/fncvF3cdnnc

  8. K April 30, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    That drive around the south end of Lake Michigan is dreary even in the best of weather. If I’m driving an older car I’m always smelling industrial odors that trick me into thinking that the car has vapor lock or is about to undergo some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure.
    http://www.Thesisa.org/

  9. Pucker April 30, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Is George Zimmerman “Goy”?

  10. pedal pusher April 30, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    I’ve traveled this same road many times. Heading into Chicago from the east, the Gary landscape provides a truly bizarre, even sciencefictionesque
    gateway to the windy city, as if an alien civilization gone awry once ruled the area. Perhaps a prequel to what’s in store for all of so-called Chicagoland (the name itself hints of self-depreciation).

  11. The Mook April 30, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    10th!!! But down the road a piece, the hoi polloi gather for the Derby. All is well in Louisville. What depression? 500 to win on number 8 please and throw in a couple of those $20 mint juleps.

  12. DeeJones April 30, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Not for nothing its called the Rust Belt.
    I remember as a kid going through to visit an uncle, and the huge jets of flame erupting from the steel mill blast furnaces was like nothing I had ever seen before, and I watched in amazement. To me, it was like seeing some prehistoric line of volcanoes or something out of Blade Runner. And it went on seemingly for miles.
    All gone now, foolishly sold off to China for a quick, short term profit. No possibility of ever rebuilding such an industry now or in the future, even if we really needed it.
    Just rusting, rusting away in the sun and the night.
    Dee

  13. Pucker April 30, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Speaking of “Happy Motoring”, what do you CFNers think of these Chinese mobile death vans? They seem very practical…and roomy…. Power steering, power brakes, power windows, bucket seats, boom’n stereo system….
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

  14. Dirk April 30, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    To be sure, James. Every town not large enough to hide the collapse on the outskirts where cubicle/office/information technology manager workers do not have to see it holds such relics right on main street. We all know it is there but chose not to consider it. Always waiting for the next big boom, the next big investment opportunity, the next wave of technological wonders to whisk in and ‘save us’ from getting our hands dirty in the old ways; from actually doing work; to make us appear rich or perhaps, to distract us from not appearing rich. But all we see are newer renditions of cel phones, iPads, computers, electronic gaming or entertainment contraptions; nothing ever to really help us address the incredibly bleak, malevolent future we face. A friend recently confidently and hopefully reassured me that he was positive there would be better, faster, smarter opportunities in everything from medicine to lifestyle improvements coming very soon. I felt a little bad in way reminding him that he might be right but not with 7 billion+ people living in the world; a massive and unrelenting ‘correction’ is at hand. He was sure that even if that were to happen we’d be OK here in the land of happy motoring; that sort of thing only happens in third world countries. This is going to hit America like a two-by-four right between the eyes.

  15. upstatebob April 30, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Been 15 years since I’ve been in Chicago. They had pretty good
    pizza and deli food then. The scale of dreariness you report
    is daunting. Try a ride out through the west side of Orlando
    on the regular streets, not the expressway. More forbidding
    territory, unlike the dressed up routes from the airport to Disney
    World that out of town folks think is the real thing.

  16. Dean of Oilberta April 30, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Wordsmith is right!(write) I wonder where I can get a can of
    special patina of supernatural rot for my ’65 chevy pickup?

  17. asoka. April 30, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Nice try but no cigar. Indiana is not in such dire condition as this week’s post would have us believe.
    If Indiana is meant to be a metaphor for our nation, then we are indeed in good shape. When Indiana released its final budget numbers for the fiscal year it showed it sitting on a $1.2 billion surplus.

  18. empirestatebuilding April 30, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Ironically, as the middle of the county is rusting away, in New York City, the former Freedom Tower is poised to become the tallest building in the city.
    Not that New York City needs millions of new square feet of office space, it is the symbolism that counts.
    Maybe engineers working in this new office space will create an organism that will eat strips malls and turn them into fertilizer. One can dream.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

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  20. theboosh April 30, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    I often wonder what could become of such places if, for a few years, an open migration invite was offered to all in the world – bring a little money, ideas, tools, medical training, etc. One must create something, be self sustaining (no Gov assistance other than a short term tax abatement) and remain there for some time in exchange for all the (few) remaining rights/civil laws we have to offer. It happened before, with all the good, bad and indifferent results, ergo we would really have nothing to lose this time around.

  21. theboosh April 30, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    I often wonder what could become of such places if, for a few years, an open migration invite was offered to all in the world – bring a little money, ideas, tools, medical training, etc. One must create something, be self sustaining (no Gov assistance other than a short term tax abatement) and remain there for some time in exchange for all the (few) remaining rights/civil laws we have to offer. It happened before, with all the good, bad and indifferent results, ergo we would really have nothing to lose this time around.

  22. dmiller April 30, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    “…but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been.”
    Exponential growth kinda’ works like that. Everything speeds up quite rapidly at the end. A great example is algae doubling in a pond everyday and it takes 30 days to fill the entire pond surface. On day 29 the pond is half full and on day 30 all the algae are saying “What the f_ _ k just happened?”. When the system topples over it will be fast and furious.
    Enjoy the ride.

  23. Tituspullo8780 April 30, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Christ. This blog get more depressing by the week. The “oilpocalypse” hasn’t occurred in all of Jim’s years of moaning about it’s impending arrival. Because his pessimism hasn’t fully catalyzed into disaster, he instead endlessly focuses on how terrible life and america is in right now! I get it suburbia is a waste land. The buildings are ugly, and people shouldn’t live like this. what an insight! Hey Jim – tell me sometime I couldn’t have learned by watching “Repo Man” back in 1983.
    Too bad he can’t spend more time on this blog explain why his wild predictions about peak oil don’t seem to ever come true…

  24. Pucker April 30, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Put on Blue Oyster Cult’s “Don’t Fear the Reaper”, and put the pedal to the metal.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

  25. York Hunt April 30, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    I drove through that area back in the mid 70’s and it was terrible then…. little ponds of different colors, none of which looked like actual water. Can’t imagine how it looks now… 40 years later!

  26. jarrollin April 30, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Whoa, James Howard Kunstler! You brought me back into the fan base with this one. Living in the upper midwest, I have made many a trip to the “Windy City” dating back over thirty years. Is it me, I wonder, or has the energy level of this place since the Ferris Bueller to Michael Jordan hay days all but disappeared? Now I know, it’s not just me — it’s you too.

  27. marksstc April 30, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Meanwhile, 40 miles west of Chicago, and as a counterpoint to your experience, my wife and I yesterday had a taste of the coming “world made by hand” as we attended a two-person piano recital in a private home, along with 25 other friends. I couldn’t help thinking that this will be the way our culture survives – small remnants of the population keeping alive the music of the masters as modern industrial society goes down the drain.

  28. Tituspullo8780 April 30, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Btw, you think the midwest is ugly…try mexico city.

  29. Cayuga Raven April 30, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    A quick note on the subject of the refineries. More often than not, those tall cylindrical features rising up amid a refinery are not, in fact, exhaust stacks as they are often mistakenly identified. Rather, they are the actual rectification columns within which the refining is occurring. A refinery is, after all, just a big distillery through which the unrefined crude oil is separated into its respective distillate parts. Just thought you’d like to know if anyone cared.

  30. sotolvision April 30, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    Bravo, Jim, that’s why I tune-in every Monday morning for my weekly bearings’ fix: true, spot-on, cultural observation unalloyed by any p.c. filter, ernestness, prescription, or maudlin exhortation. I really don’t need to travel the country anymore to see what’s going on. You travel on my behalf and express my incohate feelings better than I would express them. thanx!

  31. noel bodie April 30, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Asoka, nice try but look under the hood in Indiana to see how your numbers are accomplished and you will find a state not worth living in. Education, social services, treatment for disabled(mental and physical) a true teapartier’s wet dream.

  32. pyates April 30, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    I lived for 45 years in the Mon Valley (south of Pittsburgh), between the rusting steel mills and the flourishing coal mines. Even as they move elsewhere (steel) and mechanize (coal), they chant “JOBS!”
    We will thrive, but our grandchildren don’t have the skills to succeed without coal and oil.

  33. horseoutside April 30, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    32nd!

  34. Jimmy Drinkwater April 30, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    I guess I don’t spell very well, “blogpot” lol, sorry about the link to the gospel tune site….or maybe not???
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  35. mrx32ts94 April 30, 2012 at 10:57 am #

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  36. horseoutside April 30, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    A chess board has 64 squares.
    If we start with 1 cube of sugar on square one (2^0), and 2 on square 2 (2^1), 4 on square 3 (2^2), 8 on square 4(2^3), 16 on square 5 (2^5)….. there will be 2^63 sugar cubes on the last square.
    If the cubes are 1cm x 1cm x 1cm, how high will the pile of cubes be on that 64th square?

  37. Neon Vincent April 30, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    And to think that Chicago proper is considered to be a success among midwestern cities. It’s one of the places Detroit wishes it would be. Too bad that’s going to happen.
    Speaking of the end of industrial civilization, or at least this phase of it, I’m starting to record my students’ reactions to The End of Suburbia over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. Jim’s description of how suburbs are named after the things destroyed during construction hit a nerve with some of them. I dedicated Joni Mitchell’s “Big Yellow Taxi” to Jim in the post describing that particular set of responses. I’ll have more later.
    In other topics, I described the prospects for nuclear fusion, continued my retrospective of the first year of the blog, promoted two articles on mine in Examiner.com about science and politics, compared the presidential race to Game of Thrones, reposted a cartoon about 40+ years of presidents striving for energy independence and failing, and posted Marvin Gaye’s “Mercy Mercy Me” to show that we’re still working on other environmental issues 40 years later. All of the entries have their own music video. Come for the post, stay for the music!
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  38. 3rd Generation April 30, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    “There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn’t worked out well.”
    Sounds like a PERFECT place to relocate the goons, gomers, and the uniquely Western species’ Grandma Greeds from DC. You know, lower rents and all. . . Austerity all the way, hu ra.
    Welcome to Gary, Indiana – Our New National Capitol. It has a nice, rhythmic ring to it.
    Welcome to America, Welcome to Hell.

  39. budizwiser April 30, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    The last time I was in Chicago was about ten years ago. I actually stayed in Evanston.
    But one fine morning a compatriot and myself decided to really “see” the metro area and rode off on bicycles. First heading westerly to DesPlains area and then riding straight down a combination of Milwaukee and Elston Avenues.
    It was great. It was like riding back through time using the status of the architecture and conditions of the neighborhoods as a reverse-chronological history book.
    We ended up down at the Loop and made it over to Millennium Park and finished by riding up the Lake Shore trail back to Evanston.
    Accept for a few parks and the lake trail the whole area was an insane venue to riding bicycles. All day, about nine hours we accumulated nearly 50 miles.
    But we really “saw” Chicago. At least the part where many of the people who used to “make things” had lived. No much commerce is in the form of 2nd-hand stores, loan sharking businesses and liquor stores.
    Of some note – there does exist a robust commuter community utilizing dozens of mini-stations that all have bicycle parking. Compared to many urban environs, Chicago ain’t that bad off…..

  40. Neon Vincent April 30, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    “Too bad that’s going to happen.”
    That should have been “Too bad that’s not going to happen.” Instead, Detroit is ground zero of the post-industrial future. Anyone care for bicycle tours of urban farms?

  41. budizwiser April 30, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    I can’t believe I typed – “accept” for except….

  42. ozone April 30, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    Senor James the K.,
    You’ve once again borne witness to the desperate last reach for continuation of that which cannot (and will not) be continued.
    It’s more than a bit disconcerting to see “the good folks” of the FUSA running in circles, pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return if only they bow at the correct altars, mouth the correct slogans, buy the correct crap, or vote for the correct non-choice in a circus-orgy of “freedom and democracy”.
    This anxiety and psychosis producing behavior is going to lead to “outbursts” that aren’t going to be pretty. This is the the devolution that really matters, and one that I’m dreading, but expecting. Americans seem to be especially unprepared for heavy doses of reality, and clinging to brittle complexities is certainly not going to help.
    What happens when this is combined with the crushing concerns of ecological catastrophe is anybody’s educated guess, but “the center cannot hold”.
    This is the reason for my anger at cornucopians and hubristic supporters and propagators of the [patently suicidal] status quo. Attempting to maintain something that is inexorably crumbling to dust before our very eyes is delving into some dangerous denial. Healthy grief and “moving on” to face the outcomes of huge predicaments is set aside in favor of false hope.
    Will non-believers in this nation of Easter-Island-cargo-cultists be hunted and purged? Indicators say yes, so this is why we might wish for a relatively rapid financial collapse; one way or another [out of thousands] let’s get this shit ON and stop with the pretending. (This also allows for the negation of the present power structure that’s wealth-based and wealth-enslaving.) It’s only gonna make things worse if the extraction and commodification is allowed to proceed to the point where nothing is left to make an eco-integrated human life of.

  43. newworld April 30, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    That could all be prime property but they have not figured out how to move the useless eaters out farther into the suburbs.
    One of the old mills in Chitown was torn down and it is a 800acre bare lot right on the lakefront. But it is surrounded by a neighborhood that has one the roughest latin gangs (they also accept white kids) in the country. So kind folks think how much NPV the left half of the Democratic Party Bell Curve is costing the right half?

  44. horseoutside April 30, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    Answer to sugar cube problem.
    2^63= 9,223,372,036,854,775,808.
    So the height of the pile of cubes on square 64 will be 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 cm, or
    92,233,720,368,547.75 km

  45. pedal pusher April 30, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Very nice bike blog. Keep up the good work!

  46. Zanrak April 30, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    “The Modern Interval”. I like that! (Is it new? I do like to stay up on the newest trends). So what’s next? The Post-Modern Squish?

  47. Neon Vincent April 30, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Don’t worry. My fingers slipped, too, so you’re in good company.

  48. ccm989 April 30, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    Gary, Indiana is a pretty sad place. Just looking at pictures of it depress me. And since all the cheap, light crude has already been exhausted, the motor industry is on its last legs. Of course, everyone could switch to mopeds and scooters (assuming the weather is fair and you don’t have kids to transport) but small vehicles do use less gas. Of course, getting people to understand that we are on the downside of Peak Oil is hard. People don’t want to change their lazy habits or their beliefs. Even the imports are getting crummy. Canadian Tar Sands and deepwater drilling show how desperate we are for oil. I even wrote that to Letters to the Editor section of my local rag and someone responded that all the oil we need is on Titan! The respondent claimed oil is made out of minerals not plankton and algae compressed over millions of years (which is the generally held theory).
    According to the Jet Propulsion Lab/NASA – all the liquid hydrocarbons (which flow like rivers) are there on Titan just waiting to be extracted. Nobody seemed to mention the practicalities like no manned ship could survive the 10 years needed to travel there (not enough air/food/water to make it). Not to mention the enormous, unimaginable expense of building the ships, the infrastructures required to extract oil, etc. Anyway here is NASA’s link for anybody who wants to see —
    http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-025
    The whole austerity thing is just a trick anyway. Crippling austerity for the many and unparalleled luxury for the top 1%. The Supreme Court’s decision Citizens United has screwed us all. How come nobody investigates Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito? Thomas has nasty tax problems and Alito gleefully attends secretive Koch Brothers events like there’s no conflict of interest there and Scalia is involved in multiple political fundraising activities. Where is that independent investigation? Are we supposed to believe the Supreme Court is above the law? Then again, doesn’t seem like we are ever gonna get an investigation in the 2008 Financial Meltdown either. And if there’s a 7 year statute for that crime, we only have three years left to figure out who should be brought up on charges. I’d investigate the CEOs of those TBTF banks but I guess Congress or the state D.A.s have all been paid off to look the other way.
    No justice for us plebs! Just a life of utter grime and misery! So either we figure out how to implement those clean, alternate energy technology or prepare to live in a tent or out on the street, begging for food. Kids would forget what the fossil fuel powered world was like but us adults would fret, remembering those golden decades, joyriding in gleaming cars with fins.

  49. ozone April 30, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    …And already we see it, right here.
    The absurd belief that everything can be continued in a “reasonable wealth-hierarchical manner”, ad infinitum. Hint: Check carefully for small brain aneurisms and signs of impending dementia…

  50. ozone April 30, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Truly, but comparison does not spell mitigation or attention these days. (DNA— does not apply.)

  51. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    It was a family trip and I was perhaps fifteen. The route to Florida took us five hundred miles east to Chicago before dropping south. I remember the area around Gary. It was a pit then, forty years ago. Dull dirty and depressing. I’m sure it has to be worse now.
    There was another family trip many years ago, this one with my family. I had always wanted to see the Watts Towers in LA. It was a week before the Rodney King riots and the drive from the hotel downtown to Watts was sunny and straight, down a main drag. I remember seeing a gigantic liquor store named Tom’s. It had a purple roof. I could not believe a liquor store could be as big as a strip mall grocery store, it struck me as odd. The drive was easy and the air conditioning cool and pleasant. I saw my towers and then we drove back north. At no time did I feel uneasy and people I encountered around the tower were friendly and pleasant. Everyone seemed to be occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives.
    A few years passed and another trip put me and Ms dog in Chicago. I was driving and exploring after visiting the Shedd aquarium. A few wrong turns suddenly had me on Chicago’s south side with streets barren of cars and people. Huge apartment buildings were everywhere and the lobbies of the apartments all had black steel screening over the windows and the only ways in and out were through steel security doors. Around the apartments intersections were guarded by tough looking black men, one to a corner. I feared that if we had car trouble we were going to be in big trouble and hoped the engine would not stop. Never in my life has a place been scarier. I quickly headed east towards the lake but the neighborhood seemed to go on forever. Even when we were back among people occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives fear hung in the air.
    Over the years I’ve been to Chicago a few times, not many. There are nice places there but overall the place is dirty and plain. A place used up having seen better days that will never return. The area around Gary filled with ruins of a better time that was really never all that good was no improvement over the marshes, dunes and backwater ponds. An eternal construction zone never finished which now rots away.

  52. j0nx April 30, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    You sure do spend a lot of time in the air and driving around in cars for someone who cries about the use of fossil fuels and the evils that come with that use. Just saying…

  53. Jimmy Drinkwater April 30, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    The whole austerity thing is just a trick anyway. Crippling austerity for the many and unparalleled luxury for the top 1%.
    And an old trick it is, an ancient riddle in fact:
    How does the king and his hundred guards keep a thousand peasants working in the fields?
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  54. ozone April 30, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    If you listen to the podcast, you’ll find that JHK has a two-word response to that complaint, and the phrase ain’t Merry Xmas or Happy Birthday. I don’t know how you’d figure he might get around on any wide-ranging lecture tour without using the present infrastructure. After that goes away, what will it matter to him or us?
    Circuit ridin’ preacher Jim; slouched in the saddle on a plodding nag as twilight descends and a rude cabin comes into view from the tangle of encroaching forest; I can see it now! ;o)

  55. DeeJones April 30, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Meanwhile, in the Non-Real world:
    Australian billionaire: Titanic II to sail in 2016
    (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57424099/australian-billionaire-titanic-ii-to-sail-in-2016/)
    “CANBERRA, Australia — An Australian billionaire said Monday he’ll build a high-tech replica of the Titanic at a Chinese shipyard and its maiden voyage in late 2016 will be from England to New York, just like its namesake planned.”
    Yeah, like that will fix it all. Just like Hollowood doing remakes of remakes of remakes, but now in 3D.
    Swirling ’round the ol’ bowl goes the USA & the World, taking us all along for the ride.
    D;)

  56. Paulus April 30, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon
    Turns Ashes-or it prospers; and anon,
    Like Snow upon the Desert’s dusty face
    Lighting a little Hour or two-is gone.
    – Omar Khayyam, in about 1100AD, as translated by Fitzgerald.

  57. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    He drives for our sins.

  58. DeeJones April 30, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    “…horizontal drilling technologies.”
    More & more such tech is used for recovery of stranded oil after water flooding of a reservoir has made all other recovery impossible.
    Its not really about new fields, altho it is used there for maximum extraction.
    There have not been any really big fields found in the past 10 years.
    Do some reasearch, go to the oil drum.com and read the info there.

  59. jerry April 30, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    The drive from Pittsburgh, my home now, to my old home down-Chicago, takes me through the very area you write about. The dying decay of a once vibrant industrial area that produced many oil refined type products, including paints, is a reminder of a time gone by. The smell that rose from those smoke stacks was often vile.
    Today the ponds and marshes that border the highway leading into the biggest of the midwest cities shows the contrast between the natural and the man-made, which is now only a corpse of brick and steel and concrete rusting and rotting resulting from rain-soaked leaking roofs, and the mold and mildew that invades any abandoned, neglected and unused structure. The ponds and marshes remain, although probably toxic, yet one still sees men fishing off the land bridges between ponds.
    There is beauty, yet, also, a distasteful anti-beauty that exists side-by-side around the area.
    Thanks for the narration of what you experienced. It was well appreciated.
    http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
    http://moontownshippa.blogspot.com

  60. budizwiser April 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    Maybe the point of JK’s post this week is that large areas of infrastructure the require large energy inputs are being abandoned instead of adapted to or recycled into native conditions.
    At least one of the most hard to calculate facets of a “post-cheap energy” world is understanding the economy of previously manufactured materials.
    Trying to tend a garden with the hoes and shovels and you got from Walmart is hard enough. Trying to make a garden out of a poisonous, paved plethora of rusting structures and lots in next to impossible.
    It’s going to take a lot more energy to “transition” to low-energy infrastructure than most of us realize, and we may have indeed already passed the point of no return.
    Remember this: Like all the picked-over easy-to-get oil fields, all the best geography for living has been “picked over” and left in shit-storm shape for any future generations.

  61. Liquid Lennny April 30, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    “The desolation of Human Endeavor oozes across the land like ‘vomit'”.
    There fixed it!
    Jim, you may as well call it as you really see it!
    Thanks for you observations…

  62. Fissile April 30, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    I’ve been obsessed lately with looking up Census stats, and this post made me curious about Gary, Indiana. The numbers are just astonishing.
    Pop. % Change
    1910 16,802 —
    1920 55,378 229.6%
    1930 100,666 81.8%
    1940 111,719 11.0%
    1950 133,911 19.9%
    1960 178,320 33.2%
    1970 175,415 ?1.6%
    1980 144,953 ?17.4%
    1990 116,646 ?19.5%
    2000 102,746 ?11.9%
    2010 80,294 ?21.9%
    From monstrous growth to near complete collapse in the space of a century. Wow! Just, Wow! Take a close look at the decline from 2000 to 2010. Even the Nazis couldn’t manage to decrease the population of Stalingrad by that amount.

  63. anti soak April 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    ‘A few years passed’ ….And NOW most Black Men are unemployed and white youth also is facing a similar fate.
    Glad I live where theres an ocean on one side.
    What large US city does not have slums and a growing
    ‘Minority’? [whites will be a minority, so I put marks around the word, minority being 49% or less].

  64. anti soak April 30, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Do you see how much Chinks LOVE copying Whites?
    they are building a ‘copy’ Alpine Village in China.
    But the TITANIC? By a White?
    Theres a whole city that copies White Art, thats where hotel paintings originate.
    MILLIONS OF PAINTINGS, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO FILL SPIDEYS BILLIONS OF SKYSCAPERS.

  65. Dirk April 30, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Not sure what country you live in there T, or even what planet but apparently your planet has unlimited natural resources and growth can go on forever. See, on this planet we are running out of same at an increasing rate. Peak oil is about the peak of CHEAP oil. We will never ever run OUT of oil, it will simply just become too expensive to obtain, as will the high quality raw materials needed to build yer iPad.

  66. metuselah April 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    So what’s the surprise?
    They rape the land. They rape the people. They rape the ideas and ideals of the Enlightenment. They rape and pillage everything and anything they touch. Now this mafia incorporated has truly gone global, and there isn’t a safe place anywhere.
    Oil is not the problem. The problem is the US gov mafia. The problem is you pathetic disgusting fuckers that constantly enable this mafia by going along with the program. The problem is YOU.

  67. Doc Holliday April 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    Yep. Check out Gary In. on Reator.com
    Houses from $2000.00
    350 S. Hamilton
    2 story brick. 2500 sq. ft. built 1948
    Says it needs a litte clean out and TLC.
    Lots of charm.
    But contrast that with foreclosed central, Los Vegas. Everything under $75,000 is under contract to investors. I suppose the hedge funds are using borrowed money to rent the homes back to the Muppets who serve drinks, wash dishes and deal cards to those with some cash left.

  68. Dirk April 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    That is the biggest line of crap and BS I have read on this blog. “Fracking” is absolutely unsustainable and unprofitable without huge inputs of venture capital and oh by the way. You can forget about clean water.

  69. asoka. April 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

    pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return
    =============
    Such melodrama! You really need to try living in the rural third world.
    In the USA we are living in abundance. You don’t have to go outside to shit in a latrine. You probably have running water, and it probably includes hot water on demand. You have electricity? Much of the world doesn’t. Ozone, you don’t know just how much comfort and abundance you have.

  70. Wandering Bear April 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    He drives for our sins.
    I can’t stop laughing. I’ll bet Jim can’t either! Good one.

  71. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Glad you’re starting to come to your senses. Blacks have begun to savage Whites even along in the heart of the City, the miracle mile. The media says nothing, but finally the story got out. And they were furious – saying what does it matter what the race of the “youfs” was. Well it matters if you’re White and trying to stay alive. And it matters if you want to try and solve the problem. And it matters if you’re trying to catch them too. I mean giving descriptions without giving the race is a dead giveaway… It matters.
    Someone got his letter published: the media is trying to hide what’s going on to avoid a mass panic among Whites as happened decades ago in Detroit.

  72. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    The points JHK makes this week are subtle, like the impressions one gets from viewing art. The canvas here is city decay. Kunstler concludes with:
    I wouldn’t want to be around when the driving stops.
    Twice I mention “people occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives”. The place I had blundered into where driving had stopped as was a place where people had no more business to live for. It was a place where getting on with their lives could mean messing with ours.
    Perhaps beyond the ugliness and decay people not occupied with the business of living and unable to get on with lives is what will define the clusterfuck and make it truly horrible.

  73. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Note the subtext: Asoka wants those conditions for America too. We must pay! Pure Frantz Fanon, Malcolm X, Reverend Farakahn, Barack Obama, etc.

  74. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    A correction:
    The place I had blundered into where driving had stopped was a place where people had no more business to live for.

  75. Metzengerstein April 30, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    K-DOG FTW! LULZ

  76. upstatebob April 30, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    The current jubilance over the natural gas surplus will evaporate
    like lacquer thinner when the immediate puff of supply rapidly
    dwindles at each new effort. These are not vast caverns of pressurized NG folks, but little cracks in the shale. -still, investment in holdings and pipelines will be profitable.
    Meanwhile, there will come a day when printing money to pay
    for our oil imports will not work. There is no happy ending to
    real life. You die. (good luck to you jesus people)

  77. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Quite true. Look at how the Maya exhausted their land. Or the ruins of the Anasazi who left when the Southwest went dry. Towards the end, the Romans weren’t even leaving their fields fallow, no slack at all – too many people.
    Humanity is operating in crisis mode for the most part. The Icelands, Balis, and Switzerlands have become the exception. Their laid back but sophisticated approach to life is what is so desperately needed.

  78. metuselah April 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    I don’t live in the US. I want the Vatican/CIA imperialist mafia incorporated dead and gone.
    You need to grow up and take a responsibility for your action, or lack of. You need become a citizen, instead of a US gov mafia automaton, a fascist/nazi muppet, a corporate serf, a “consumer”, a cog in the imperialist machine.

  79. mow April 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    gary indiana gary indiana gary indiana …
    forgot why he went there .

  80. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    You’re right: we must get the dual Israeli Citizens out of our State Department. They are responsible for our current crusade in the Middle East. Bring the Troops home and put them on our Southern Border.

  81. Smokyjoe April 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    I looked at some 2011 video footage of Gary; a local historian said that the only growth industries are “strip clubs and truck stops.”
    I’m guessing they are out on the Interstate, because there’s not a single hotel left open in the city, the reporter in the video claimed.
    What a disaster. Detroit, Gary, Cleveland, etc.
    Just wait, though. Without oil, the Sun Belt’s sprawling metropolises soon will look like those up north, but even shabbier. At least Industrial Age architecture looks good in ruins.

  82. azgog April 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    We have regressed to the pre-revolutionary state where Divine Right is used to justify the ruling of the King (Supremes)and his Nobles (the Corporations). They can decide elections and impose their economic strategy (make themselves as rich as possible). The exported jobs are the equivalent of the peasants being punished for daring to hunt a rabbit that crossed their hovel.
    They do all this and then laugh in our face (see Romney the wannabe Supreme Leader of the “Free” World.

  83. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    “only growth industries are “strip clubs and truck stops.”
    Obama should go there and talk about jobs. The secret service will be happy to go there and make sure the coast is clear. Since there are no hotels anymore they can do ‘it’ in back of the fine reputable establishments and not break the new rules.

  84. Al Klein April 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    Asoka, Indiana also leased (effectively sold) its turnpike to foreign investors. I find that disturbing – in many ways as disturbing as selling off prisons to private firms. So please np paeans to Indiana. The notion of the “commons” is disappearing in the US. What can one expect when the buck becomes the almighty as it contemporaneously goes down the drain as a proxy for value. Such a dichotomy cannot bode well.

  85. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Power which cannot be justified is illegitimate. Power has no divine rights and must always be proving itself to be legitimate.

  86. metuselah April 30, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    current crusade in the Middle East
    ==
    Why just the Middle East? Get the fuck out of Europe, Africa, Asia, the Pacific, South America, and take your fucking McDonalds and rest of them corporate predators with you!

  87. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    Only about 2/3rds of fracked natural gas is currently sold. The remaining third is flared off or otherwise lost to the atmosphere. Flaring off the surplus gas is how the oversupply is being dealt with.

  88. Ogier de Beauseant April 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    The speed at which industry/technology moves has left in its wake a new paradigm that requires a new understanding of how human lives and settlements mutate in response. The old notions of farmers and craftsmen is worthless in dealing with and describing what is happening around us. To merely gloat over what seems to be a harbinger of universal destruction is the work of a fool. What is needed is a realistic understanding of the way forward while recognizing that to those who benefit hugely from the status quo will apply their fortunes to preventing any humanistic approach to devising a new political framework. We await an neo-Lenin to provide the vision. Jim doesn’t make the grade.

  89. ozone April 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    I mistakenly read a usual scroll-by. WOW, the conclusions people reach when trying to deny our collective circumstances!
    Back to [ab]normal; thanks, I feel better. ;o)

  90. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    It is not an individual we need. We need a change in zeitgeist, a new awareness. Part of that zeitgeist you have articulated.
    “What is needed is a realistic understanding of the way forward while recognizing that to those who benefit hugely from the status quo will apply their fortunes to preventing any humanistic approach to devising a new political framework.”
    Your assessment is correct and shared by those who understand the problem well.

  91. iowaclass April 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Gary sounds almost as moribund and forlorn as the webpage for your speaking schedule list. Any chance of an update, Jim? Or better yet — stepping up the appearances to once a month and putting something in the Boston area on the program. If you want to sell books, you have to hit the circuit a little harder while there is still gas to get from city to city.

  92. Inquiring Mind April 30, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    JHK’s carrying on and on, ad infinitum, about “how bad it all is” is very unhealthy… for him personally as well as all of his readers.
    The sane and high level survival approach would be to obviously confront and observe our collective mistakes but not to dwell on or focus upon them because that is wholly non-productive. Sanity and high level survival require that one focuses on solutions and policies to prevent a repeat of past errors.
    If all you think about and focus on is the negative and condemnation and criticism of others… then that is what your life will be filled with. It will build up in your psyche and then soon start to cause deterioration of one’s health and personal life.
    Ok, JHK. We get it. Mistakes have been made, we have serious problems to solve, etc. So how about becoming solution oriented? Utilize your wordcraft skills towards the positive. You’ll get a lot further uplifting people instead of depressing them.
    Stay away from those who dwell on negativity. It is a derangement.
    Focus on the goodness and the positive and solutions and improvements and how amazing life is and all the potential humanity has to offer, and we’ll all be a lot better off.

  93. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    What’s the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom?

  94. Harvey Cohen April 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    Come on Vlad. Put Metuselah back to bed with Mika. I do applaud you for not bringing Mika out last weekend,
    but now you’re doing the same thing with Metuselah.
    Stop being such a putz!
    Humble Harv

  95. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    I did go back and read what you wrote and you did not answer the question. Perhaps you did not understand so I’ll make it more clear.
    Do you think that the peak is anything to be concerned about?

  96. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    I saw his smarmy comment last night. Good to know I’ve got him running scared.

  97. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    K-dog for president.

  98. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    And I just gotcha for everyone to see.

  99. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    You have no response to my point except expletives. In other words, you acknowledge I’m right. Thank you for your honesty.

  100. george April 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    “The desolation of human endeavor lay across the land like nausea made visible, but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been.” This was exactly what I felt on my last visit to the Windy City three years ago. Of course, you could have used the same words to describe southeast Michigan, southwestern Ontario or a dozen other places that not that long ago thundered with the roar of heavy industry. You could imagine my surprise when I arrived in Chicago and discovered a beautiful, vibrant city in the midst of all the decay. On my last visit to Chicago back in 1985, my impression of the city was a place that was in the advanced stages of rigor mortis not unlike my hometown of Detroit. That’s all changed in the last quarter-century and Chicago’s downtown has acquired a very European vibe. Go Figure.

  101. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Harv, Harv, Harv – I thought you were different! But now you’re starting to take his side. Blood is thicker than water as they say.
    Don’t get me wrong, I still like you. Just as I don’t hold it against Woody for ditching Mia for My Ling or whatever her name is. Mia herself put out for the Maharishi so who is she to complain?
    Using my Joke against me: can you spell DEE-Mon?

  102. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    And this is just in the Bakken play. The situation is the same in the East Ford and Marcellus shales.
    http://205.254.135.7/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=4030
    Frack and flare!

  103. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Makes sense to everyone else.

  104. Harvey Cohen April 30, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Where’s the honesty, Vlad? You’re talking to yourself; Metuselah is merely one of your “other” handles. Putz…

  105. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Producing a warm but not fuzzy feeling.

  106. Harvey Cohen April 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    I’m not taking anyone’s side. I’m only pointing out these “conversations” of yours are a fraud. The ones with Mika and Metuselah anyway.
    It’s a nice day up there today isn’t it? Go take a walk in the woods; that’s where I’m heading anyway.
    Harv

  107. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    I wouldn’t elect you dog catcher. You’d start organizing the dogs against their masters. Four legs good, two legs bad and what not.
    All your male followers should lift their legs to urinate so they can know each other in men’s rooms across the land.

  108. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    I don’t want your vote, so we are both happy.

  109. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    You are a Dee-Mon. Don’t forget to read both sides of your Talmud page today. You’ve been falling behind I hear.

  110. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    I see you’ve read some George Orwell, very clever.

  111. metuselah April 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    I gave you my response, you fascist/nazi blue-eyed devil-dog. Go lick your Roman masters’ hands. Enjoy their sleight of hand of Joo this and Joo that, Israel this and Israel that, while they steal everything in sight. Go to your pederast fuck-buddies in the Vatican, they’re calling you.

  112. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    K-Dog, nat gas producers may end up having to double the amount of fracked gas they’re flaring now in order to sufficiently raise prices to profitable levels. They’re under enormous pressure from the venture capitals who loaned them the money.
    “Sell it. Flare it. Out-gas it to the atmosphere. We don’t care. We want our money. NOW!”

  113. Harvey Cohen April 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    You can’t deny my point,Vlad. You won’t lie directly, which is commendable. But you lie indirectly, which is not.

  114. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    As discussion is drifting away from the neighborhoods between Whiting and Gary I’ll leave for a while and return to my life. Insult away detractors and dissemblers I won’t be defending myself for a while.

  115. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    That’s not how the game is played. You have to work for my vote, pretending to like me all the while. If you refuse to play, you wont win.

  116. k-dog April 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    you wont win.

  117. Steve M. April 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    150 years of history – that’s the real kicker. England has several cities like this on the verge of total irrelevance – listen to “Ghost Town” by the Specials to get an idea of what the old industrial cities of the U.K. are like – but these cities lasted for several centuries before their decline. Ours didn’t even last two centuries. At least Liverpool and Manchester have a pre-industrial past buried under all that smokestack rubble. As Jim would say, there’s no medieval Gary to look for.
    The Michael Jackson nativity – good one! :-D

  118. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    I’m starting to dislike you Harvard. Harvard was founded by the Puritans but White Males are the most underepresented group of all now. Plenty of Joos though. Just coincidence, right Harv?

  119. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Now you’re trying to be me. Are you that insecure about your own identity? You are a candidate for Stockholm Syndrome. But sorry, I don’t want you.

  120. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    I’ve reduced you to a raging frothing at the mouth beast. I win again. It’s too easy with you.

  121. Harvey Cohen April 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Vlad,
    Your style here is to obfuscate when you’ve been caught with your pants down.
    My favorite Harvard grad of all time is Henry David Thoreau. Who’s yours?
    “In wildness is the preservation of the world.”
    That’s where I’m heading now. Have a nice day.
    Harv

  122. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    The only attractive Leftist of the post War era. An old fashioned Nationalist Socialist. Would have been horrified at the destruction of England by the Labor Party via mass Paki immigration.

  123. mika. April 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    You’ve reduced me? You’ve reduced me?! WTF! I suppose putting people in ovens and stealing their gold fillings was a soring hight for you, you cold-blooded vatican blood-thirty vulture.

  124. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Alan Dershowitz – a staunch George Zimmerman supporter.
    Thoreau was a rare good White – no interest in his Nation or People. Just like you like em. Industry and Media should be left to Jews. Whites should be like Eloi or Spencer’s (not Tolkien’s) fairies. And of course you control the Morlocks. And we know who they are, right Harv?
    Thoreau was a beautiful writer with a divine sensitivity though. I have read Walden many times. But Edward Abbey was a better rounded man who cared about his Nation. One of the first Environmentalists (and still the best known) to call for an end to the Mexican Invasion. His “Environmental” (Leftist) friends were shocked. So they lauded him and ignored his indiscretion. Meanwhile the Sierra Club took a massive bribe from David Geldbaum (Money Tree!) to shut up about the environmental carnage being caused by the Invasion.
    Understand? You people are winning because of our corruption, not through your own intrinisic worthiness. And of course you work to corrupt us more and so on. You know your business in that area, I’ll grant you that.

  125. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Harvey, tell him to stop. He’s making you all look bad.

  126. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III April 30, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Wasn’t Ed Abbey a New Mexican?

  127. Just Say No April 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    That’s the American way. When something becomes old or obsolete, we abandon it and move on. The industrial age was replaced by the information age, which will be replaced by some kind of post-information age. This progression has left a trail of blighted and abandoned relics.
    The same can be said of middle class housing in the urban core of most cities, which was replaced by the inner suburbs, then newer suburbs further out. By now, most cities are on their third or fourth tier of suburbs, many miles from the city center or public transportation. As long as land and energy are relatively cheap, and politicians are willing to build infrastructure further and further away, this trend is likely to continue.
    There is a ray hope. The recession and recent spike in gas prices has at least slowed the trend toward bigger houses further away from the city. And some of the old blighted districts in many cities have become trendy, with lofts, bars, restaurants, art galleries, and shops geared toward young professionals who are no longer attracted to the bland suburban lifestyle. Whether this turns into a renaissance or is just another passing fad only time will tell.

  128. budizwiser April 30, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    Just for kicks – suppose 10 square miles of area just north of I-80 and bounded by Lake Michigan were currently in a state of “non-development.”
    With only I-90 and a railroad passing through the area; what would be in the news?
    What existing political/business interests would be pitching zoning or developing dreams?
    Would it new tracts of McMansions? More Big-Box stores? Another spacious new airport or lake port?
    What would go into the areas JK describes if they were not in their current decrepit nearly unusable conditions?
    Now there’s scenario that would reveal a lot about just what the current status grow is……
    But then again you may have to think before you answer, never mind.

  129. Widespreadpanic7 April 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    A few weeks back one of the cable channels had a documentary about the 1893 Worlds Fair and the ‘White City’ in Chicago, back when the future was bright, the sky was the limit, the US was on the verge of becoming a World industrial power, and anything seemed possible. 20 million people visited that Fair, mesmerized by features like electric lighting, internal combustion engines, and telephones.
    That was over a century ago. Much to everybody’s surprise, ‘the future’ didn’t work out so well. The industrial epoch proved to be a temporary thing. Nobody gave any thought to what would happen when it was over. It seems the places that were industrialized the heaviest in the early 20th century are the places that are the worse off now.
    –WSP7

  130. Widespreadpanic7 April 30, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    The founder of Cleveland, surveyor and Rev. War Brigadier Moses Cleveland, is buried in a nondescript grave in a lonely little patriot cemetery in Canterbury, CT (pop. 4000). I wonder what he’d think of his namesake city now?
    –WSP7

  131. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 5:08 pm #

    “Accept for a few parks and the lake trail the whole area was an insane venue to riding bicycles.”
    ACCEPT – METAL HEART – RUSSIAN ROULETTE – STAYING A LIFE!!!






    Prolly should be ‘Except’, and ‘for’ (‘to’ riding bicycles) or mayhaps ‘for bicyclists’. (Q would be so proud in his millionaire mansion, collecting his $5-6k/month pension, his $1-2k/month IRA/401k dividends/withdrawals, and his $1-2k/month SS [not to mention his medicare/medicaid] – money *TALKZ*)
    I grew up in various places in Illinois, during the 70’s/80’s (Q-Dad was a Cat exec, Aurora/Decatur/Peoria/Pontiac). I remember going through ChiTown in the mid 70’s, and seeing/stopping at all the Howard Johnson oasis’ spanning the Tri-State Tollway. And seeing/smelling the hideously scary energy generation plants (refineries?), spewing clouds of New Jersey-like burning soybean scent-age (sewage?).
    I always used to go out of my way to avoid the I80/90/94, by taking the I39/70/74 instead. In the mid 80’s, I used to have a G/F who lived in Blue Island, just a few miles south of the Cabrini Green projects. Don’t miss that hellhole of festering rot at all…

  132. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    “The founder of Cleveland”
    Anyone who hasn’t seen the following Cleveland Tourism video yet, MUST DO SO NOW!!!






  133. anti soak April 30, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    Gary, Indiana: Lines More Obvious Than Nice
    ‘Today Merrillville is reportedly the largest incorporated town in Indiana. See generally Part … non-white majority in Gary from fifty-three to seventy percent, and……….’
    You get the picture.
    Wonder who Gary was named after?

  134. Vlad Kramps April 30, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    Um, yeah, Indiana cannot possibly be fucked up because…Michael Jackson was fucking born there! There you have it! The second coming of Jesus F’n Tap Dancing Christ grew up there, so Indiana is a garden of Eden! Yeah, Asoka, for reminding us of how really swell Indiana is, especially MJ’s hometown of Gary is. For the rest of you Clusterfuckers, read about how swell Gary (and the surrounding area is) in a book called “Fast Food Nation”. Jeez, it’s good to know that Asoka didn’t forget to take his “stupid” pill this morning. Back to the mud hut with ye!

  135. Vlad Kramps April 30, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    Asoka looves it there, too! I think his favorite spot is Tijuana! His excitement is that soon all of the U.S. will look like it. The Stupid Fuck!

  136. Vlad Kramps April 30, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Doesn’t matter where you tell him to look, NB. You see, he knows ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. He subscribes to all religious beliefs and is basically a citizen of the world…no borders…that is, no borders for the USA. The rest of the world is smart enough to keep dumb fucks like him out (except maybe some little pueblo in Equador, where he probably blew the immigration officer in order to build his newest mud hut!)

  137. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    K-Dog, JHK’s elegy is not simply in memory of the heavy industry that once was integral to Gary and Whiting, Indiana. It truly was “America’s Yokohama”; alas, it is no more. But his elegy is also in memory of a heritage lost, three and four generations of steel, chemical and refinery workers, their families and their robust working class culture.

  138. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    Poor Appalachian – forget which state.

  139. Ozymandius April 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    Ah, but don’t forget, Our Clive is a true-blue Straylan, who, being from the Land Down Under does all of his thinking while standing on his head.

  140. bproman April 30, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    Stop! In The Name Of Love
    lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., EMI Music Publishing

  141. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    “He drives for our sins.”
    I knew you were running, but WTF did U do here?!? Dogz for Romney?!…






  142. Ozymandius April 30, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    And what do my fellow Straylans think of Our Clive’s plan to build TITANIC II?
    To find out…….Click here!

  143. Phaedrus April 30, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    Always tough not to get so sentimental, isn’t it? Sometimes, we might need to find beauty in the breakdown. However, anyone NOT willing to deal with change will certainly suffer. But those who CAN let go of their ignorant desire to avoid change and predetermined set of conditions ARE perfectly able to find peace in all the madness. To struggle is human, but to suffer is a choice. “When we are no longer able to change a situation – we are challenged to change ourselves.” Viktor E. Frankl, Auschwitz Survivor

  144. BeantownBill April 30, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    I enjoyed reading your post; it was intelligent and rational. Sounds like you have a good understanding of what’s really going on. Based on your comments, I hope you post more.
    You are correct to state that those with power and money are invested in maintaining the status quo. The status quo is wasting our financial, physical and emotional resources while traveling along a blind, dead-end path. We need to divert these resources along a road that solves our issues.
    Among some of the actions we need to take are:
    Legalizing all recreational drugs. Cheap drugs would free up a gigantic amount of money currently going to drug cartels.
    Withdrawing our military entirely from the rest of the world. We could then cut the defense budget by several hundred billion dollars annually.
    Stop bailing out too big to fail corporations. Prosecute and jail all guilty executives who raped and plundered the middle class illegally; also include all politicians who abetted them, up to and including the president. Forgive existing mortgage debts and start all over again the right way.
    Amending the US Constitution to require a balanced budget, term limits, including one for the Judicial Branch, and a more rational approach to campaign contributions.
    Mandating a big increase in mileage for our automotive fleet, to become effective in 2 years (auto makers will scream, but they can re-tool very fast if pushed). Banning 24-hour commercial signage and ostentatious outside home Christmas decorations. Constantly preaching energy conservation at the individual level.
    These reforms ought to buy us the time we need to develop plentiful, clean alternate energy sources (e.g. fusion and solar power), and to devote massive funding for research and development of increased food production, NASA, medical/disease solutions and other scientific endeavors.
    I realize there’s an extremely low probability that any of this will come to pass, but I think these courses of action, or something similar, give us the best chance for our civilization to continue and prosper. I also realize these actions would cause – at first – great strife and unrest. But otherwise, we will go down because of a lack of energy resources, environmental destruction, global warming, pandemics, overpopulation and nuclear war or accidents.

  145. bobby j April 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    Finding it necessary to take a break on the road to nowhere ,you might find yourself sitting in an American icon of fast food delight.Don’t make eye contact as this might deflect the inner angst that emerges from a wasted soul.Dumbed down to any true essence of truth their faces grimace in a sort of contorted acceptance of a required pain.You might describe them as zombies with character. If you watch them leave you will notice they seldom tidy up their pile of half eaten burger and napkins fallen to the floor. Maybe its not from a lack of good manners but just that the anxiety of an awaiting confused tomorrow leaves them little energy to act appropriately in the present. When you see them drive away there might even be seen a suggestion of a smile.They are back on the road to nowhere ,but at least they are moving and this mere act gives some momentary solace.

  146. anti soak April 30, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    Too much of a good thing [toys and govt] led to debt and bankruptcy.
    Plus we have too many of the wrong kinds of people
    [the asokaites, what me worry?].

  147. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    “I mistakenly read a usual scroll-by.”
    LOL, funniest poast *EVA*!!! I did like the following, tho – quite humbling, to those who can comprehend:
    “It’s more than a bit disconcerting to see “the good folks” of the FUSA running in circles, pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return if only they bow at the correct altars, mouth the correct slogans, buy the correct crap, or vote for the correct non-choice in a circus-orgy of “freedom and democracy”.”

  148. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    “If all you think about and focus on is the negative and condemnation and criticism of others”
    You act as if pointing out X, Y, and Z problems provides no solutions. It does, as follows:
    1. Pointing X, Y, and Z out allows others to *investigate* and *ponder*
    2. Illustrating these problems leaves debate-space, to determine whether there is any truth to the matter.
    3. If these problems are real/true, then their solutions obviously come from the LOGICAL NEGATION of them, albeit 1st order, 2nd order, etc…
    I need to grab some more spearmint from the yard, for my next mint julep (Heaven Hill 6yr BIB)…

  149. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    I hear Fort Wayne is lovely this time of year. But I’m sure Gary and Gacy are too.

  150. MADMAX April 30, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Titanic 2: a good metaphor for the way Australia is aping the lunacy of the United States. Now shut up, Ozy, and give me all your gas!

  151. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    “Your style here is to obfuscate”
    Soker-puppet, you put on quite a show today, and I *applaud* U!!! U go, grl!!!

  152. Vlad Kramps April 30, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    Gary, Indiana was once a thriving, middle class town that employed lots of white and black blue collar factory workers. Then, you guessed it, an exodus of factories fleeing to China, India, etc. and a massive immigration of Mexicanos, Chicanos, etc. There you can smell the stench of rotting beef and chicken carcasses smothered in their own excrement roll down assembly lines. Then the animals are butchered under conditions that would make Upton Sinclair blush. Hamburgesa and Mcnuggets are (quarter) pounded out by the nanny second, all courtesy of our greedy corporations. And no, most Americans won’t work there, so luckily the corps illegally traffic in workers from Mexico. The town of Gary is a stinking pile of poo. The Mexicans don’t mind it so much, though, because it is better than the shit holes they’ve just left. Viva la Reconquista!

  153. bubbleheadMarc April 30, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    Jim, Delightfully creepy post this week. Reminds me of the time I was shipping on the lakes as vacation relief wheelsman aboard Bethlehem Steel’s thousand footer the Indiana Harbor, and we pulled into Indiana Harbor itself, to discharge a massive load of taconite pellets, probably 50,000 tons. Being an actively drinking alcoholic at the time I was not content to remain in my cabin so I walked “up the street” to go get a drink. To get out of the steel mill complex there I had to walk through this vast deserted sulphurous pedestrian tunnel, thinking the whole time that I was a goner if anyone showed up to rob me. Fortunately no one did and I eventually returned to the ship with a snout full. That was in 1989 and steel was still being made there in a mill complex far larger than that on the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland. People miss that world now but who in their right mind would want to work in such a place? Yet I have customers at the barbershop who swear that working in the steel mills was the ideal “man’s job”. I guess I’ll just have to take their word for it.

  154. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

    “Dumbed down to any true essence of truth their faces grimace in a sort of contorted acceptance of a required pain.”
    OMG, LOL – Pink Floyd is coming to concert (Roger Waters) here…

  155. linguinee April 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Elegy indeed. I urge readers of this column to take a virtual tour of Gary and environs, including BP’s Whiting refinery, via Google Map’s street view. It certainly corroborates JHK’s grim assessment.
    It is unremittingly dreary. All the more so because it seems we don’t possess the collective will, imagination or know how to replace it with a more civilized habitat. Is this our legacy?

  156. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    “Legalizing all recreational drugs. Cheap drugs would free up a gigantic amount of money currently going to drug cartels.”
    Yeah, and also currently going to federal govt, state govt, and local govt prosecuting users and dealers… That kinda smacks of a GDP deficit to me!

  157. bubbleheadMarc April 30, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    Good link on methane outgassing in the Arctic Ocean:
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/04/seascape-with-methane-plumes.html

  158. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Ma’am Gaia has pulled the trigger on the clathrate gun!

  159. Inquiring Mind April 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    You didn’t correctly duplicate what I wrote. I wrote…
    “The sane and high level survival approach would be to obviously confront and observe our collective mistakes but not to dwell on or focus upon them because that is wholly non-productive.”
    There is no argument there. The operative word is DWELL.
    People don’t want to hear on and on about the problem… they want to hear about the solution. Unless they have a macabre love of things negative… like JHK.
    People who just dwell on the problem become part of the problem.

  160. ASPO Article 1037 April 30, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    Moving on.
    Is the near term described in a 1912 book: “Under The Prophet In Utah” by Senator Frank J. Cannon- Romney’s playbook?
    Is America’s story wrapped into “The Woolsorter’s Plague”, something akin to a description of low-tech ways & means of equalizing status of world powers?
    Taken together, does this literature lead into reactionary events spelling the end to Mormonism and Islam, respectively? And corporate capitalism. Cause & effect. Does violent and horrific upheaval become the only way America shifts transport policy (legacy railway matrix rebuild) back into line with homeland energy supply imperatives?
    Nothing to particularly recommend railways to the modern mind -unless cooler heads assess railway’s ability to tie the Union together when every other mode is dysfunctional/kaput.
    Winston Churchill said “Something Extraordinary Is Afoot” as the Battle of Britain/Battle of the Atlantic got under way. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet…

  161. welles April 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    Dreary stuff from JHK as (almost always) usual.
    Agree with StinkyPants that no solutions are ever offered by said author. Tho’ he’s plenty smart enuf to dream them up.
    Additional dig: JHK jets around/drives around an ***awful lot*** bashing everyone for burning petroleum…is there a disconnect going on there?
    peace peaceniks

  162. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    “People don’t want to hear on and on about the problem… they want to hear about the solution.”
    You obviously didn’t read my entire (point #3) poast.
    “3. If these problems are real/true, then their solutions obviously come from the LOGICAL NEGATION of them, albeit 1st order, 2nd order, etc…”
    When we are clearcutting way too much land, when we are bulldozing off the top 6-8 feet of topsoil *LEFT* of said-same clearcuts, When we pour off prescription drugs/fertilizer/pesticide/herbicide into the soil/river/water tables – at what point do we reach that “LOGICAL NEGATION”?!?

  163. Ixnei April 30, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    OK, I just gotta shout out, “PROPS JHK!!!” My fav line,
    “They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun..”
    The schizoids add up, but *not* beyond their *SUM*…

  164. Kaiho Iwasaki April 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    welles, JHK has offered several solutions, most notably the complete rebuilding of the U.S. passenger railroad system, and the rebuilding of local and regional food growth, processing, and distribution systems, and local manufacturing industries.

  165. progress2conserve April 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    Another good week, JHK. Thanks as always!
    “its agonizing return to nature – or what’s left of nature – will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn’t want to be around when the driving stops.”
    -YEAH! What he said!”
    It may be that the Gary/Chicago region is unique for the vastness of its squalor. Because there are ruined human spaces like that all over most of the country, if you know what to look for.
    There are several myths essential to the American dream. Eternal cultural mixing is one. So is the myth of eternal progress. Add to that the idea that we as Americans have the mythic right to abandon our ruined landscapes – and often to abandon our ruined people – as we move on to some new “progress,” and we have an “eternal” mess.
    But nothing lasts forever, does it?
    Speaking of myths, I posted this link late last week. I think it’s worth a repost, for the new visitors to the CF Nation.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/foreign/divers.htm
    “The Diversity Myth” -The Atlantic-

  166. progress2conserve April 30, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

    “… those with power and money are invested in maintaining the status quo. The status quo is wasting our financial, physical and emotional resources…” -BTB-
    Outstandingly excellent post, Bill.
    The only thing I would add is that the United States needs to lead the way toward global population control, by controlling our own immigrant fueled population growth FIRST.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

  167. wheatcent April 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    I have been to the Chicago/Gary area several times. But it’s not just the Chicago area that is devastated. I live in Rockford Illinois just west of Chicago. We used to be known as the ‘Screw Capital’ of the world. We had several companies that employed thousands of people each in the machine tool industry. In the 1920’s we had the highest per capita income in the nation. Virtually all of the Industry is gone. I travel quite a bit around the country, and no matter where you go you hear the same thing,”We used to have a lot of good paying jobs and now they are gone”. Now in Rockford we are known for our crack houses and the highest crime rate in the State. Areas that were once safe to live in are almost war zones after dark. The State of Illinois is broke, and so is Rockford. And what is our answer? An eight million dollar “River Walk” that is supposed to revitalize our Downtown district. It’s only about the tenth time they have tried some gimmick and it never works. It would be commical if it wasn’t so damn sad. We lost Passenger Rail Service in 1981. The day after it was gone someone decided we needed it back. Now after doing several Studies, and then Studies on the Studies, it looks like we may get it back – 33 years later in 2014, but I’m not holding my breath. The vast majority of people I know walk around with their head in the sand. You cannot even engage them in a serious conversation about what is happening in this country. I come here for my weekly touch of reality. The Long Emergency is one of the best books I have read. Thanks Jim for the eye opener.

  168. Matt B in AZ April 30, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    Jim, talk about irony!!! Just this morning I checked the CFN site for this week’s post — and I ended up previewing your Photo Essay from Winter 2012 showing the Industrial Ruins of My (your) Little Town (Greenwich, NY). As I previewed the decline and decay, it reminded me very much of the state of my hometown — Gary IN as it continued its decline. Later today, I see that this week’s commentary is on just that topic — decline and decay in Gary, Indiana.
    Sadly, Gary is in a more advanced state of decline and decay than your hometown of Greenwich, NY. Gary experienced the added ignominies of rape and pillage of the public purse by crooked politicians who ultimately, “killed the golden goose.”
    Fellow CFNer’s, we have the same goings on in Washington D.C. today which occurred in Gary over the past four decades. You want to see images of America of the future, look at images of Gary, Indiana today….
    Utterly unbelievable images of what was former grandeur. Gary was known as the “City of the Century” after it was built in 1906. Alas, it only lasted about 50-60 years. View these sad images at http://www.forbidden-places.net Urban Exploration. Gary, Indiana Ghost Town.

  169. progress2conserve April 30, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    Matt,
    It took me a couple of tries to get your link to work. Compelling stuff, once I did.
    How did this happen?
    Who is to blame?
    http://www.forbidden-places.net/urban-exploration-gary-indiana-ghost-town#gal2
    No problem with overly bright Christmas displays at this church, Bill.

  170. IxNoMor April 30, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    “The schizoids add up, but *not* beyond their *SUM*…”
    What on *EARTH* are you talkin’ ’bout, *son*? Bwahahaha!!!

  171. IxNoMor April 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    “The vast majority of people I know walk around with their head in the sand. You cannot even engage them in a serious conversation about what is happening in this country. I come here for my weekly touch of reality.”
    Amen!!! *BROTHER*!!! That’s the *rub*.

  172. DreamCycle April 30, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    Jim, Jim, Jim. As a devotee of the Chicago rust belt, a place I’ll never leave, I must ask, have you never read Jean Shepard, on the wonders of Hammond, Gary, and the South Side of Chicago, which he called “Hohman”? Here’s a bit:
    “Ours was not a genteel neighborhood, by any stretch of the imagination. Nestled picturesquely between the looming steel mills and the verminously aromatic oil refineries and encircled by a colorful conglomerate of city dumps and fetid rivers, our northern Indiana town was and is the very essence of the Midwestern industrial heartland of the nation. If Chicago was Carl Sandburg’s City of Broad Shoulders, then Hohman had to be that city’s broad rear end.
    According to legends, it bore the name of a hapless early settler who had arrived on the scene when the land was just prairie and Indian trails. Surveying the sparkling blue waters of Lake Michigan, he decided that Chicago, then a tiny trading post where land was free for the asking, had no future. Struggling through the quagmires farther south, for some demented reason now lost to history, he set up camp and invested heavily in land that was destined to become one of the ugliest pieces of real estate this side of the craters of the moon, Indeed , it bore some resemblance to the moon,in that the natives were alternately seared by stifling heat in the summer or reduced to clanking hulks when the fierce gales blew off the lake. Out founding father set the pattern of futility for all future generations.”
    Just sayin’, have a bit of a sense of humor next time you come to town. We do.

  173. Buck Stud April 30, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    My fav from JHK this week:

    a demonic jumble of pipes, retorts, and exhaust stacks that sprawled over hundreds of acres, with flared off plumes of leaping orange flame from gas too cheap to sell lurid against the Great Lakes sunset in a lower key of rose and salmon pink. The refinery was there to support the only other visible activity in region, which was motoring.

    Reminds me of the “Pollution Poetics” of Monet, Whistler, Turner in painting the Thames.

  174. Fritz88 April 30, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

    Two fixes would restore our country in no time.
    First there is PLENTY of oil left. We have shale oil galore plus all the oil offshore. If we could just expel all the greenies this country would be a big time exporter in no time.The traitor libs want America to die I guess.
    Second we get back to God. I know you atheists laugh at this but it is true. when America turned its bck on God our troubles began. Abortion, Darwinism, and drugs are no substitute for a personal relationship with Jesus.
    It’s becoming very clear what four years of liberalism has done to our country. The rot is everywhere. Now is time to turn the tide.

  175. messianicdruid April 30, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

    “This is what remains out in the Heartland of our country: a place so dire that you want to race shrieking from it and forget what you saw there.”
    There is a lot more than that: where I live {it may be differiented as fly-over} the farms go on for miles. The only buildings a single family homesteads, and barn or sheds to park equip. or hide hay from the rain. The is lots of game and fishing, wild foods abound if you know what and when to harvest.
    This country is huge. Some over-occupied or over-developed stains {age marks?} on the earth’s skin will require some time to heal, but most of it is only six inches deep.

  176. mika. April 30, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

    We need to divert these resources along a road that solves our issues
    ==
    It’s not going to happen. Not without a revolution. A revolution against serfdom to the corporations, the banks, the gov mafia, and the agents of ignorance and propaganda.

  177. Steve April 30, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    @Asoka, Don’t be so optimistic about Indiana. Check out “In Nothing we Trust”
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/features/restoration-calls/in-nothing-we-trust-20120419?mrefid=site_search&page
    the place called Middletown as a microcosm of AmeriKa.

  178. Vlad Krandz April 30, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    Dentist pulls out all her ex-boyfriends teeth while he was unconscious. Read the comments: women love it.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/dentist-pulls-her-ex-boyfriend-teeth-split-210829769.html

  179. Godozo April 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    I’ve been spending the past eight years driving through various parts of Gary, as well as through most of the cesspool known as Northwest Indiana.
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    East Chicago is still a happening place, but the industry is disappearing from the place. LTV 1 (now Arcelor-Mittal 1) is ever-so-slowly being torn down, and I never saw a factory complex get dismantled so quickly as the US Tank Car factory was in East Chicago.
    And Chicago itself? It’s been built up in some parts, but the soul seems to be disappearing from it with nothing to compensate – either in the city or in Suburbia. Certain rich areas are holding on to what they’ve had (Halsted with its rainbow heart seems to be both holding and expanding), but the place where the intellectual who only cares enough about money so that they don’t starve or become homeless to hang out have pretty much disappeared with no place left for them to go to. Daley’s attempt to flash-honkify the southside (AKA chase after the Olympics) has left the city hurting; being in Illinois (Thanks Blago) isn’t helping.
    I remember reading how Latter-Day Rome spent its time imitating the past intellectual masters instead of trying to build on them, and it showed in their weariness of soul and weakness of mind. Maybe that’s how things end – the intellectual life dies and the rest of the body politic waits for the inevitable.

  180. azgog April 30, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    Hey BNSF, how about this: We’ll agree to you railroading those millions of tons of Wyoming out to the Coast and on to China IF you will 1)Cover the coalcars so they don’t dump hundreds of pounds of coal dust on our neighborhoods and into our lakes and streams, and 2)Electrify the entire line so that the lumbering diesels don’t pollute our atmosphere with particulates and CO2, and 3)Double track the whole route so that our passenger trains aren’t left waiting for a gap in the continuous stream of coaltrains carrying our national resources to the other side of the world. There to be burned in primitive power plants that send more global climate change right back at us. Profits now, destruction later.
    And NO, making a $5,000 grant to NPR is not enough, you greedy bastards.

  181. Godozo May 1, 2012 at 12:02 am #

    Gary, by the way, was founded in 1906 by the United States Steel Corporation as the home for its new plant; and named after the lawyer and founding chairman of U.S. Steel, Elbert Henry Gary.
    Think of it: 106 years from founding to colossus to rotting shell. At least Flint had some time as a small town before it exploded.

  182. anti soak May 1, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    Jim Kunstler has written about ‘traveling in Canada and the barns / farms are well kept. Then getting home and on our side of the border the barns are tumbling down!
    He was seeing the decline while traveling a 2 lane road in upstate NY or New England.

  183. BeantownBill May 1, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    Yeah, that’s what I’ve said in earlier posts.

  184. azgog May 1, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    As bad as it is at least Gary isn’t leaking radioactive particles into the Pacific Ocean and the atmosphere of the entire Northern hemisphere. Plus its not threatening to collapse during the next earthquake, causing the further release of thousands of times more fallout from the plutonium contaminated spent fuel rods sitting in the wrecked storage pools suspended 100′ feet off the ground inside the radioactive ruins.
    If you havn’t heard about this clear and present danger it might be because the nuclear industry doesn’t want you to know and, unlike you, they own NBC news.

  185. BeantownBill May 1, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Population control should be on everybody’s mind as a rational course of action. I’m no raving nationalist, but the type of globalism as is happening today has taken its toll. Rational globalism – meaning interactions between the world’s peoples in the face of a rapidly shrinking world – is in fact desirable and inevitable. However, that requires careful management on a planetary level, and not as a tool for increasing the wealth and power of the current elite. In a truly peaceful, advanced civilization, sovereign states may not be necessary, but local restrictions, wealth and cultural preservation should be. I guess my view of what globalism could be is not being pursued, but it ought to.

  186. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    It’s a ruse we’re trying to get close enough to pee on his leg.

  187. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    yes, right you are. An elegy remembers someone who has died or something that is in the past and is no more. His elegy describes “numberless small shops and sheds that turned out useful widgets exist now, if at all, as ghostly brick and concrete shells…“. The shells peeling paint broken and boarded up windows are the physical relics of a vanished people. But that’s all you can see driving over disintegrating pavement at thirty five miles an hour. Ghosts may watch as you drive by but all that shows of them and their forgotten lives are the rotting shells of structures they once called home. Perhaps when the land is once again all marshes and dunes will they rest in peace.

  188. keratomileusis May 1, 2012 at 1:19 am #

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  189. keratomileusis May 1, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    i was really disappointed with the last 2 podcasts @ union college. i have the highest respect for jim’s message, but he came across as a crotchety old gas bag. i felt bad for duncan. rather than spewing the same bitter old message over and over, perhaps it would be wise to connect with more contemporary points of light. to wit, nick bostrom.

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  203. ccm989 May 1, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    How does the king and his hundred guards keep a thousand peasants working in the fields?
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  207. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  208. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?………………………………………………………………………………? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ??????????????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  209. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:06 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  210. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  211. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733 ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  212. ozone May 1, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    Thanks, Harv.
    I don’t believe they’re allowed to lie about “who they are”; but can lie all the live-long day about “issues”, as it’s not only their job, it’s S.O.P.
    Very similar M.O. to vice cops who may not legally deny they’re cops when entrapping hookers; thus the subject-changing, veering and steering. (It’s not: “Yeah, I’m a cop”, it’s: “Do I LOOK like a cop? Heh-heh.”)
    It’s all about plausible deniability in case of [what would be well-deserved] future prosecutions.
    His future is one bathed in blood and lies. His “side” has the mission of tearing down their own house. Where then will they shelter? With the ruthless, insane and psychopathic? Sounds like a fuggin’ hoot.

  213. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  214. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  215. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ,???? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  216. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,??,????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  217. ozone May 1, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    Excellent comment.
    This is also why I don’t prefer to slap a smiley face on every crisis and label it “an Opportunity!”.
    Some things just have to be internalized so we can get on with adjustments to them or prosecute the fight with dispassionate intensity.

  218. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  219. ozone May 1, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Ix,
    I’m thinking that you and the Stinker are both vying for the attention of the same girl! ;o)
    Whose personality will win the heart of fair maid??
    (Your points are very valid to me, and generally the way I go about problem solving.)
    Heaven Hill, eh? That was my Dad’s favorite! (He was very stingy with the stuff, liking to dole himself a little tot or two of an evening.)
    Life’s too short to drink lousy whiskey… Enjoy!

  220. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  221. charliefoxtrot May 1, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    …the name says it all: Maker’s Mark…’course, if you want the top shelf, Glenlivet be a dram to be sought…! how goes the day, by the way? keepin’ that iron over the mantel blue, i trust? and, well, doing yer best to abey the rust…

  222. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ?,???? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

  223. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ,???? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?………………………………………………………………………………..?  ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ?

    ?????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

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  224. saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 10:01 am #

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  229. ozone May 1, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    CFT,
    A perfect day for rust; but a much-needed rain is soaking in well.
    Is it a good day for the continued dissolution of the industrial wasteland? Depends on the perspective, mebbe.
    “…The old machines yearn for the dreams of eternal rust;
    In the punched-out windows vacant stare, I bleed in the grease and dust;
    And the night falls; and the rain comes down…”

  230. ozone May 1, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Ps.
    Got me a tuning hammer for the pianer; better get out the whiskey, it’s the only way to make this “process” bearable! ;o)

  231. charliefoxtrot May 1, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    um, yeah…i was trying for cute with the rust; basically i just meant ‘gittin’ some?’…but yo, that s a kewel little bit o’ rhyme- provenence? and on subject: here in the nashville area, the only real industry is that of music; whether one believes it to be declining would depend on how one feels about country music- hank, or hank jr, bill monroe or dixie chicks, for example- and some of us associate country music and the UT Vols with bullies, and see it all as a decline…perhaps inevitable when profitability is (held to be) more important than the quality of the artform…i for one prefer live music in a smaller venue than a fecking footbal stadium, for chrissakes- one where you can see just what the guitarist did there…

  232. metuselah May 1, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    It just gets uglier and uglier, and in the long run, what will it all have been for? No one currently in the business of building these blights is answering that question; all they ever refer to is “tax revenues” and “jobs”.
    ==
    It’s a racket. Another in a long line of imperialist rackets. There’s no thought towards the quality of life of people. There’s no thought towards even basic esthetics. There’s no thought towards the impact on the environment. There’s isn’t even any thought given towards any real utility. It’s all about raping everything in sight to make profit to be send to the corporate headquarters and the shadow Vatican aristocracy.

  233. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Internet takeover in the offing. Already passed the House. They’re keeping on the Qt with maximum speed.
    http://truthtellers.org/alerts/ProtestCISPA_NewFedInternetTakeover.html

  234. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    So blow it up, right O? Five anarchists caught trying to blow up a bridge in Ohio:
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/01/11485641-5-anarchists-nabbed-in-plot-to-blow-up-ohio-bridge

  235. asoka. May 1, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Humanity is operating in crisis mode for the most part. The Icelands, Balis, and Switzerlands have become the exception. Their laid back but sophisticated approach to life is what is so desperately needed.
    ====================
    I would add Costa Rica (pura vida) and much of South America. You’ve got this right Vlad… we need to happily embrace energy contraction and enjoy all the wonderful gifts of life that do not depend on oil or money. Embrace permaculture and the Long Emergency will improve your quality of life.
    LESS IS MORE. The USA is far behind the rest of the world in realizing this truth.

  236. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Did you like to pretend that your toys had a secret life of their own after everyone went to sleep? Me too.
    What is rust but the blood of metals? It’s not easy to be iron. And that is why gold was a symbol of eternity – it rusteth not. Even silver has problems. But not gold.

  237. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Great. I’m coming down. I want to have lunch or should I say brunch (bruncha?) with you and Dee. I hope you two get along for my sake.
    You are right about this aspect of Life. We of the West have too much ambition and hubris along with our good qualities. So we are always doing and undoing unto death to paraphrase Cummings. Alan Watts said he never heard a Commentary from the pulpit about Christ’s “Consider the lillies of the field. They toil not nor do they spin, but I tell you that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as these.”

  238. Widespreadpanic7 May 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    According to you Asoka the US is behind the rest of the world on just about everything.
    Iceland is an island country of less than 400,000 people, all Vikings. They were hit the hardest by the world meltdown in ’08. I’ve read they have returned to commercial and subsistence fishing in a big way, which they probably shouldn’t have left to begin with.
    –WASP7

  239. Buck Stud May 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Internet takeover in the offing. Already passed the House. They’re keeping on the Qt with maximum speed.

    And guess who is threatening to veto this bill? Yes, President Obama. But you make no mention of this; it would undermine your agenda.
    Ah, the sweet science of the propagandist.

  240. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    I have a feeling that its agonizing return to nature – or what’s left of nature – will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn’t want to be around when the driving stops.

    The incessant drizzle of media terrorism drips on as Barack and Mitt the twit lines us up at the rendering plant door. It’s a daunting challenge to think anything can be done. Despair and hopelessness are cultivated by the media daily. Exactly what the PTB want. They prosper on the way down if dogs fight among themselves when we should be concerned with the health of the pack and meat for all dogs.
    I’m preaching to the choir but if the choir were bigger good things could happen. Perhaps with this featured content you can wake up someone and they can smell the poo-poo before we all step in it.

  241. asoka. May 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    According to you Asoka the US is behind the rest of the world on just about everything.
    ————————
    If you would take off your jingoistic glasses, you would realize the USA is a corrupt, violent, has-been nation obsessed with material things… like guns and ammo (in God we trust? I don’t think so!)
    And it’s not me saying the USA is so far behind others in the world. All the objective international rankings say so.

  242. SHIC May 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    Yes, “you might draw the conclusion that driving cars is the only activity left in certain parts of the USA” when you don’t bother to do anything but drive through them.
    I have three generations of family in this area. The people living in Gary (and EC, and Whiting) are facing huge financial and social problems, true, but I find your perspective in this post reductive as hell. If you’re so very curious about what people could possibly be doing in such a desolate area, get out of your car and ask them.

  243. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Hope Louise takes this week’s epistle to heart and gets out of Chicago. It’s not going to be safe for Whites when Obama loses in November.

  244. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    I didn’t know Buck. But it is out of character for him since he signed the NDAA. Guess he’s trying to shore up his Leftist Base who he has disgusted.
    Sorry you’re stilling trolling for him though.

  245. asoka. May 1, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    You seriously think Obama will lose to a Mormon millionaire who has no core values and strapped his dog to the roof of his car?

  246. messianicdruid May 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Asoka saith, “And it’s not me saying the USA is so far behind others in the world.”
    “We are men to the extent we love our people and our God. And we are inhuman beasts when we abandon our people and our God.”
    I might add “our land” but it would just get you off into a rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future.

  247. San Jose Mom 51 May 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    Ix….
    I’m going to see Roger Water’s “The Wall” in SF next week!

  248. newworld May 1, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Real estate is location, who your neighbors are is part of that location. So how much real estate would be available if the neighbors were nice? Literally 30% of the Democratic base is destroying real estate value better than if the USSR had won the cold war by nuking our cities.
    And ironic that a Democratic president is now basically the head of a lynch mob of blacks out to further destroy property values. So in a hundred years we went from President Wilson who praised the lynch mob justice of the south to a president who inflames the black lynch mobs of 2012. Ironic indeed, intergration has failed.

  249. newworld May 1, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    For proof of my last post see World Star Hip Hop the website for videos of the black undertow that not even the majority black city of Chatham, IL wants in their middle class burg.
    JHK can complain about us cracker jesus freaks but we do our drugs with some semblance of peace and we usually only shoot our guns at targets with a safe backstop. And when our meth stills blow up they just remove a cracker or two from welfare rolls, but we move on with our lives without much caterwalling.

  250. Jimmy Drinkwater May 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    A news story caught my eye today about recent studies indicating the number of newborns birthed in the US with drug withdrawals triples in the last decade (with the alarming footnote of an addicted baby born every hour http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/201205011_addicted_baby_is_born_each_hour_in_us_report_finds/srvc=home&position=recent)
    JHK has adequately noted in past renderings the observed whole classes of tattooed, no_skills, non-contributors, presently shoring up the social fabric. Now imagine the pleasant future, with the soon to be shredded economic safety nets, their special needs and addled offspring coming along to take up a meaningful existence.

  251. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    “…a rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future.”
    -MD, to asoka.-
    That is mostly all Revs. asoka, Sharpton, and Jackson and those of their ilk have to offer anyone, these days – when it comes to healing past divisions, or addressing honest progress for native born US blacks.

  252. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    - on Iceland
    WSP, someone mentioned Iceland, Switzerland, and Bali in the same post, as places where things were better than in the US.
    It’s interesting that what you said about Iceland being nearly 100% Viking descendents – is mirrored in somewhat similar homogeneity in Switzerland and Bali.
    Bali sounds like a great place, one that is likely to remain peaceful regardless of Global Sh*t Hitting Global Fans:
    “Unlike most of Muslim-majority Indonesia, about 93.18% of Bali’s population adheres to Balinese Hinduism Hindu Dharma, formed as a combination of existing local beliefs and Hindu influences from mainland Southeast Asia and South Asia.” -wiki-
    One logically HAS to ask how much of the collapse visible in the United States is due to the failing social experiment that was called “multi-culturalism.”
    A lot, that’s for sure.

  253. IxNoMor May 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    “the name says it all: Maker’s Mark”
    I’ve got a 1.5L bottle of that stashed away, for barter (heh). I find it to be a candy-flavored whiskey variety, great for making Manhattans without needing any vermouth/cherry juice. I prefer ‘dryer’ whiskeys, with nice flavor hints, rather than sweet ones.
    And here, the Heaven Hill 6yr BIB runs $10.60 a fifth… Hmm, starting to get thirsty now!

  254. anti soak May 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    The USA is far behind the rest of the world in realizing this truth.’
    Luxury goods, cars and SUVs are ‘selling like Hotcakes in China, Asia!
    Granted Chindia has nearly 3 billion peeps……but
    once more yr assertion is false.

  255. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Ozone and Vlad –
    On anarchists blowing up bridges –
    It’s obvious already that these guys were NOT the sharpest tools in the anarchy toolshed.
    So – how much of a “plot?” would they have hatched if it had not been for all of those FBI agents putting ideas in their hollow heads and furnishing them with “non-working” explosives for their “plot.”
    Probably not much of a plot – but we’ll never know, will we.
    Better safe than sorry, and all that.
    =============================
    On a somewhat related note – what sort of imbecilic pedophile thinks that there are ANY 12 year old girls hanging out on websites and talking to old pedophilic geezers.
    Mostly it seems to be law enforcement agents from the level of local city cops up to the FBI level – pretending to be 12 year old girls who are pretending to have a hankering for pedophilic geezer groping.
    At what point does law enforcement CREATE the crimes that it seeks to prevent?
    And at what point can what are essentially “thought crimes” be treated and prosecuted as real crimes?
    =========================
    And yeah, in a proactive note to any FBI agents who may be monitoring this webspace – I’m glad any time a real bomber or a real pedophile is taken off the streets.
    And I don’t know any persons in either category.
    Not even on CFN – –
    I *think.*
    Thus demonstrating that the internet may be the last best hope for mankind – at the same time that it may become mankind’s greatest curse.
    Jury’s still out, on that one.

  256. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    The dogs are out in Seattle, more later on my phone,

  257. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    Anarchist thugs broke windows and have done thousands of dollars worth of damage to the Niketown and the American Apparel storefronts in downtown Seattle. A group of black clad self proclaimed anarchists did the damage and apparently for the most part managed to doff clothes and blend into a large crowd of peaceful protesters. The local conservative media is blaming it on the re-emergence of the occupy movement the dogs of which are now waking up after a long winters nap. May Day calibrations continue with a march which should be starting right about now (3 PM). The media covering the festivities lamenting the attack on the innocent corporate citizens and cashing in.
    Financial institutions were also targeted. Wells Fargo had windows smashed and the Bank of America was a vandalism target. Smoke bombs were set off and windows smashed at the Seattle Federal Courthouse.
    Within two hours of being attacked the vandalized storefronts were being cleaned and broken windows were in the process of being boarded up with fresh sheets of plywood. Apparently trouble had been expected.
    Besides thousands of dollars of property damage to our nations corporate citizens windows were also smashed on parked cars along the street. It’s sad that the property of private citizen dogs was broken in the melee.

  258. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    correction, should be:
    The media is covering the festivities and lamenting the attack on the innocent corporate citizens while they cash in.

  259. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    Speaking of dogs, K, here’s a strange story.
    Atlanta Humane Society (AHS) adopted out (round numbers) 5,000 animals last year.
    Less than 1,000 came from the Atlanta area.
    The other 4,000+ came from other states. Some came from the Bahamas, via south Florida. AHS vehicles, manned by paid AHS staff, and burning gas on the AHS nickle – made these long trips.
    Meanwhile, 6,500 animals were euthanized at the Atlanta City Animal Shelter, which is only two miles from Atlanta Humane Society headquarters.
    And the AHS collected $4,000,000 in donations, just last year, to help animals from
    -wait for it-
    ATLANTA.
    The takeaway – apparently abundant petroleum allows illogic and cross-state animal “multi-culturalism” to rule the day, even in the pet adoption biz – and to the detriment of native born Atlanta animals. Strange, right?
    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/iteam/I-Team-Atlanta-Humane-Society-Animal-Origins

  260. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    Truly bizarre, if it were happening here I’d think the Gates Foundation was one of the donors or on the board of directors. Myself I’m still looking to be adopted.

  261. anti soak May 1, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    Oh yes, Catalina Islands ‘cat clean up’ cost millions! 20K per cat?
    The rest of this is at CITY JOURNAL:
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    THE DOGS HAD TAKEN OVER MORE THAN THE PARK. WALKING DOWN 204TH STREET OR PAST THE GONE- TO-SEED LOW-INCOME HOUSING ABUTTING THE METRO-NORTH BOTANICAL GARDEN STOP, WE REGULARLY RAN A GAUNTLET OF THUGS FLAUNTING SPIKE-COLLARED PIT BULLS, BESPEAKING A WORLD OF ANARCHY AND DREAD. AS A FRIEND AND I WALKED HOME ONE SPRING NIGHT, WE SAW THREE STOCKING-CAPPED TOUGHS SLOUCHED AGAINST A CHAIN-LINK FENCE, BARELY RESTRAINING A THICK- NECKED, SNARLING PIT BULL. MY HEART RACED, UNTIL I NOTICED TWO YOUNG COPS WALKING IN OUR DIRECTION, JUST BEYOND THE BAD DUDES. MY RELIEF WAS SHORT-LIVED. “IT’S A FULL MOON, AND DOGS GO CRAZY IN THE FOOOOL MOON,” ONE OF THE THUGS HOWLED WILDLY, AS HE LET THE PIT BULL LUNGE TO THE END OF HIS LEASH AT THE COPS. A CONFRONTATION SEEMED IMMINENT, BUT THE TWO OFFICERS NERVOUSLY CROSSED THE STREET TO AVOID IT. “I GUESS WE KNOW WHO WON THAT BATTLE,” MY FRIEND GLUMLY NOTED, AND WE CROSSED THE STREET, TOO.
    AFTER A RASH OF UNSETTLING INCIDENTS—INCLUDING A TORNADO OF EIGHT UNLEASHED PIT BULLS SWIRLING ACROSS THE PARK AND THE SAVAGE MANGLING OF OUR NEIGHBOR’S SMALL MUTT BY ANOTHER LOOSE PIT BULL—WE DECIDED THIS WAS NO PLACE FOR A BABY, AND WE LEFT. WE HAD LEARNED THAT INTIMIDATING DOGS CAN IMPAIR A NEIGHBORHOOD’S QUALITY OF LIFE AND GIVE THE SENSE THAT NO ONE IS IN CHARGE EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS DRUG DEALING, PROSTITUTION, OR AGGRESSIVE PANHANDLING.

  262. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Most dogs are not very self reflective and do whatever their owners want them to do. It’s a fact of life that most dogs don’t know right from wrong and do whatever their owners tell them. We all want to please our owners so owners need to be responsible for their dogs. While their are exceptions it’s usually good dog good owner, bad dog bad owner. It’s a sick human that teaches a dog to be mean.

  263. anti soak May 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    As Vlad has noted, different breeds of dogs behave differently due to their DNA.

  264. mika. May 1, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    May Day at Tel-Aviv Beach
    http://youtu.be/Yc3EDEveUzs
    Not too many blue-eyed devil-dogs. Thank god.

  265. k-dog May 1, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    Yes unlike humans heredity has influence on dog behavior. With humans environment and socialization has much more to do with it.
    Here’s info on human DNA I’m sure Vlad knows nothing about.

  266. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    “Not too many blue-eyed devil-dogs. Thank god.”
    -mika, lacking a “G”-
    Nice video, Mika. Is it yours?
    That’s actually a crowd that looks more European/American – than do large sections of Europe or America, these days.
    At minutes 3:00 and 5:00, there were a couple of female blue eyed devil dogs that caught my eye.
    And clustered around minute 6:00 was a rather tight looking cluster of black folks, clustered together as tightly as they would be doing in most other countries, IMO. Being US-centric, I have an insanely powerful urge to call them “African-American.”
    That can’t possibly be right, though. ??
    And some nice looking aviation equipment, too – mostly US made, although that last cluster of fighter jets could have been French made.
    Interesting video, though. Good looking crowd.
    Thanks for sharing.

  267. mika. May 1, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    No, that’s not my vid. I live in Haifa, not Tel-Aviv. The aerial show was for Israel’s Independence Day from the weekend. We do have African-Americans. You’ll find many of them on Israel’s basketball courts. :D

  268. progress2conserve May 1, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    Jewish-African-American-Israeli??
    Wow, that’s quite the set of hyphens.

  269. mika. May 1, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    Heheh. And a lot of passports to keep updated.
    Vlad will be flipping at the “racist inequality” and “privilege” that these blacks enjoy. LOL.

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  271. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    Right. Dogs are influenced by their genetics but not humans – except for gays of course cuz they’re “born that way”. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
    Blacks are the pit bulls of the human species. It’s natural to want to get away from them.

  272. Vlad Krandz May 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Good review of the Rodney King incident and the subsequent mayhem. The Media is largely responsible for the injuries, ruined businesses, and deaths since they distorted the coverage from the get go. They never showed the full video but only the part where King was being beaten. The cause was ignored of course. They were completely unrepentant and of course have done it again and again. This case in particular has striking parallels with the Rodney King case.
    http://amren.com/news/2012/05/20-years-after-the-la-riots/

  273. dgmoocher May 2, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    I grew up on Chicago’s South Side. Three or four generations ago my relatives settled (and bred)in Northern Indiana. The area is not nearly as pretty as you describe dear James. And at the same time it is magnificently more grand. If and when it returns to nature, please promise me you’ll re-visit. The wild-lings and things of the ancient place will overwhelm you body mind and soul. Perhaps you are sensing, as I have, the stark contrast between the two past and present. The place has been inhabited for thousands and thousands of years.
    Yes, midwesterners have an infinite capacity for self delusion that defies gravity itself. It is their home. Nothing bad has happened to their home. Nothing at all has happened. They just never moved forward. It is not part of the “rust belt”, etc. etc.
    I found your blog today to be especially touching. As a Californian looking back in time, it is indeed a shock visiting your words today. Thank you for your keen (as always) observations.
    Cars and more will continue to abound, however (in my opinion) with nothing to stop them. Once oil is a legend, other technologies will replace it, as they already exist. Motoring will likely continue, the rust belt however, may not.

  274. anti soak May 2, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    Do you know about the VanJones connection to the creation of the riot? Thru the [new?] commie party?
    Van was just here in the sustainable city for earth day, what a fukin laugh.

  275. anti soak May 2, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Well I was never a Math Wiz but when ya add 100M to 200M, thats a 50% increase in the population, none of the left will call it Environmental Suicide, but we will.

  276. k-dog May 2, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    Just for you. There will be a quiz so study up.
    The Human Journey

  277. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 12:38 am #

    OMG, I spent all day mowing/trimming what little grass I have, and pruning fruit bushes. After I showered, I ventured out with 3 goals in mind:
    1. Get a pouch of Drum roll-yer-own cigs
    2. Recycle $1.40 worth of cans/bottles
    3. Buy some tonic water
    So, I hop on my 18 speed mountain bike with bottles strapped, head to the 7-11, and wait in a 7-person-long line for at least 10 minutes. They had 2 cashiers, but one *inexplicably* vanished into the ether. The family in front of me consisted of 2 adults, and 3 children aged 5-8. They spent $25 on food and drinks, and talk about eating/drinking *PURE POISON*. They had a 6-pack of the corn syrup sodas from the fountains, the hot dogs, bags of cheese doodles, and pizza. I whuz feeling *SO* sorry for those kids, eating that toxic sh!t. Not only that, but they could have gone 1 block in any direction, and been at a decent teriyaki/Indian/Chinese/Mongolian/Mom&Pop Diner/pizza dinner for much less, with leftovers and some *nutrition*. Hell, a Subway was 1 block away, and they could have gotten 4 foot-longs for the same price.
    I *finally* got my smoke, and headed to Albertsons (bad idea). 3 of their 4 recycle machines were totally down for the count. I whuz slamming the machines with my arms and feet, and finally decided waiting was not worth my time. I had planned on getting more tonic water, but the machines were telling me the last batch I bought were not *legitimate* recyclables. I dumped the cans/bottles, headed to the front of the store, and noted 5-6 person lines in every active aisle – even the self-serve ones. I shouted obscenities and swore I’d never shop there again, as I left.
    On the bike ride back home, I caught glimpse of the classic AmeriKKKan stupidity. I passed by a young couple, holding hands, each of which were on their own cell phones, talking to *SOMEONE ELSE*. I shouted at them, “WTF – you’re both on cell phones and holding hands?” while cackling like a madman.
    Ah, yes – the good ol’ US of @$$HOLES.

  278. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    “Good review of the Rodney King incident. … This case in particular has striking parallels with the Rodney King case.”
    Gee, really, *DR GENIUS*? Fill us all in, plz (your mind whuz wandering)…

  279. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    “So – how much of a “plot?” would they have hatched if it had not been for all of those FBI agents putting ideas in their hollow heads and furnishing them with “non-working” explosives for their “plot.””
    Hasn’t that been *business as usual*, for the slippery triple-letter-acronym boys? I mean, didn’t they do just that sort of thang, back during the ’80’s Russian/Afghanistan war? Didn’t they do something similar in ’90/91, when they told Saddam it was OK to go after Quwait, as they illegally vertical-drilled into Iraqi territory? Hasn’t that always been how they get leverage – infiltrating “cells” and planting information that they can later act upon?
    Sounds to me like exactly what happened in the couple years prior to 911 (2001). Plant ideas, let them seed – and then *RETALIATE*.
    Business as usual, for at least 60 years…

  280. Bustin J May 2, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    Ixnei, your problems are threefold:
    1. You smoke.
    2. You recycle.
    3. You buy stuff at 7-11.
    Its simple really.
    Turn your back on those three things and your life is 100% better for it.
    Recycling is kind of a genuflection at the end of a long process that begins with your mind imagining there is something at 7-11 you want.
    Its a ritual action that implies that, by recycling, you are maintaining the system.
    In Freud’s parlance they exploit your anal fixation by exploiting an underlying, near-universal concern for one’s own waste products.
    Perhaps Zen is necessary to understand these persistent illusions because 7-11 is a Japanese corporation.
    The cigarette thing is just incompatible to health in general. The price of the pack of cigarettes is largely a payment directly to the state and local government.
    Good thing Japan is standing by to mediate this social relationship.
    Taking a break from rounding up dolphins in shallow water and lancing them to death I suppose.
    Chen Guangcheng. Can he recycle, too?
    How does a blind man know which bin to put his rubbish in?

  281. Buck Stud May 2, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    If Ixnei stops smoking does it mean he will stop “hacking”?
    Exiting computer code land and entering a stranger realm.

  282. anti soak May 2, 2012 at 2:52 am #

    Buy some tonic water???????????????????????????
    .

  283. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 3:17 am #

    I brew my own carbonated water, but not sure how to *infuse* it with sugar/quinine (not sure I even *WANT TO*)…
    Hah, smoking 3-4 cigarettes a day is not a problem – if nothing, it adjusts yourself to living a *SMOG-INFESTED* lifestyle. No?!…

  284. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 3:21 am #

    “does it mean he will stop “hacking”?”
    Thou doest give me too much credit. My hacking days ended *way* be4 those of Zero Kewl. But most *solutions* still run amok in my zero-sum, minimax optimizations…

  285. Ixnei May 2, 2012 at 3:29 am #

    Giveth – “Thou doest giveth” – *my bad*.

  286. IxNoMor May 2, 2012 at 3:38 am #

    “Giveth – “Thou doest giveth” – *my bad*.”
    What on *EARTH* are you talkin’ ’bout, *BOY*?!?

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  292. Widespreadpanic7 May 2, 2012 at 7:44 am #

    Imagine if those 5 knuckleheads who wanted to blow up a bridge in Ohio were not Anarchists with ties to the OWS movement, but Tea Party members? I wouldn’t had to read about it on Drudge. No, it would be on the front page of the New York Times in 4″ headline type!!
    Well, spring is here and armed gang warfare is heating up in Bridgeport and New Haven, CT. A few days ago a rolling gunfight occurred in front of an elementary school in Bridgeport and a little 3 year old girl, holding her mothers hand, was shot down. No, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson didn’t show up. So for the hell of it lately I’ve been reading books about the Colonial history of CT and all New England and even visiting some of the places I’ve read about. These dystopic cities, now nothing more than stinking bloody third world welfare colonies, began life as organized wel funded and ‘New Jerusalems’, prosperous little market villages founded by Pilgrims from the SE coast of England, organized around the Congregational Church. The more I read about the past here (“Connecticut River Valley: a veritable Garden of Eden, breadbasket of America”) then look around to what’s here now, its pretty goddam depressing.
    –WSP7

  293. ozone May 2, 2012 at 8:46 am #

    Precisely, Ix.
    Standard Operating Procedure. It’s the ultimate citizenry-persuader, REAL straw-man propaganda piece, ain’t it?
    Set ‘em up (with meticulous recording of specifics, of course), then knock ‘em over. Piece o’ cake if you happen to be a good liar. There’s more and more of them every time you peek at any official serve-and-protect agency. (Remember, this is one of the themes that’s banged on incessantly on the cop shows, last I looked. The heroes LIE to everybody to “cleverly” get them to reveal pertinent info. It may be unconscious on the part of the writers, but it sure looks like it’s conditioned into the “normal” behavior mechanisms.)
    Of course the people they get to actualize these set-pieces ain’t the brightest bulbs on the marquee, and even if they’ve got a working brain, the ideological blinders are so thick, that anything relating to common sense is ignored as roundly as possible.
    As long as we continue to applaud perfidy, swindles, and greed for its’ own sake, we will continue on the road to social dissolution and eventual internecine warfare. Do those in charge of the Clusterfuck find this useful, or is it just “the way it’s always been done” in the good ol’ Unlimited Supply of Assholes (Irish taunt)?
    A vision of the result is just above in an observation from WSP (thanks). If we take a holistic look around, it sure IS pretty goddamn depressing (as well as seemingly insurmountable).

  294. charliefoxtrot May 2, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    now prog, don t get me wrong- i realize the plight of the animals is truly a tragedy, and borne by us “humans”; i m not belittl(e)ing [Q?] their situation- but Damn, who else could see it as an immigration problem?! believe it or don t; i m proud of you…! and i think it isn t the petroleum’s fault this time- seems we re looking at plain old fasioned vanilla-flavored greed…somebody somewhere is profiting mightily from the debacle…anyway, i hope all is at least as well as can be expected on yer side o’ the crick; gotta run- i get to work today…! CFT over & out K-DOG FOR PRESIDENT HOOOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLL!!!

  295. ozone May 2, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean we can’t have a bunch of laughs and try some constructive strategies for human continuation on the way to the abattoir. Gotta give it a shot; what else you gonna do? Maybe this is not an option if you’re working for the betterment of the MIC. If so, get back to fuckin’ work, you puling drone! ;o)
    (Ps. I’d like to emphasize that smokers and smoking are the very fucking least of our worries. It’s used as a convenient whipping-boy for all kinds of maladies that I suspect are caused by DuPont, Dow [et al.] more than the use/overuse of tabaccy. Again, distractions are quite useful for a select few.)

  296. ozone May 2, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    I hear your howl, and second it! ;o)
    Have some fun, whatever you do…

  297. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    “Damn, who else could see it as an immigration problem?! believe it or don t; i m proud of you”
    -cf-
    Thanks, C Trotting Fox.a I was going for a little humor – and torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human.
    And yeah, greed is paramount in this case. Apparently AHS wants the cutest of the cute puppies/kittens to sell in the ATL market at $130 per each. Local pit bull cross breeds from the local shelters just won’t make the cut.
    And there’s probably other chicanery and under the table dealings, as well. PLUS, the VP of the AHS, hisself – went on all the trips to New Orleans. His claim was he was the only one who could drive the truck pulling the “big AHS trailer.” Whatever. I suspect he spent at least one night on each trip to NO, though.
    Hookers? Gay boyfriend? Who knows?
    But some other sin of the flesh besides greed is likely involved.
    Just think what all the money and gas wasted on all those road trips to pick up those 4,000 animals could have done, though – if more properly utilized.
    That VP makes $100K/year.
    Sum’bitch ought to be buried in a pile of euthanized dog pound pit bulls until he agrees to give half of it back.

  298. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    “torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human.” -wtf-
    torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human MULTICULTURALISM.
    Dang twitchy laptop!

  299. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    “Do those in charge of the Clusterfuck find this useful, or is it just “the way it’s always been done” in the good ol’ Unlimited Supply of Assholes”
    -ozone-
    That’s the biggest question we’ll ever face.
    What do you think, O3?
    I think it’s probably a combination of the two – usefulness to TPTB, plus inertia from the way things have always been.
    Regardless of our opinions on THAT question – what do we do to change TPTB or to redirect the inertia.

  300. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    Funny post, IX.
    Good reply, BJ.
    Consider growing your own tobacco, IX, if you really want to keep smoking the stuff.
    Amazingly, it is legal to do so.
    I suspect much of the addictive nature, and much of the deadly nature, of modern tobacco – comes simply from the way it is processed, flavored, packaged, and marketed.

  301. cooldog May 2, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Does anyone have confirmation that the US Steel Gary Works are really “gone” as JHK says? Everything
    else I can find easily on the web says they still in operation, much less “gone”. Perhaps its Jim’s poetic license what’s gone — a little too far.

  302. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    - AmRen on the Rodney King riots –
    Good AmRen article, Vlad. I don’t see any glaring factual OR editorial issues with it. It’s mostly a pure statement of facts.
    It may be that one of our standard issue racist apologists, asoka or pangolin for example, can point out some factual problem with the article – but I doubt it.
    Some of the comments to the AmRen article, however, ARE non-factual or needlessly divisive. I wish AmRen would clean up their comment boards, as I’ve suggested before.
    Speaking of which – why do you persist in saying stuff like this on an open forum like CFN?
    “Blacks are the pit bulls of the human species. It’s natural to want to get away from them.”
    -vk-
    Needlessly divisive, Vlad.
    Even if you believe shit like that in your Heart of Hearts – that doesn’t make it valid for ALL blacks everywhere.
    And when you put it in print, it only serves to spread heat and not light and inflame the CFN readership – which drives readers away.
    Plus, it makes Ozone think you have simply added a new line of code to your RacistBot computer SpamProgram. ;0)

  303. Widespreadpanic7 May 2, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Hey Asoka, as far as me being a Jingo, John Kennedy and Teddy Roosevelt both were accused of being Jingos too! I’d say that’s pretty good company. You mention how the US ranks low down on this or that list, i.e. education, health etc. My view is that for a country that has absorbed almost 100 million third world immigrants since 1965 we’re doing pretty good. Do you think 100 million newcomers in less that 50 years might skewer the stats a little bit?
    –WSP7

  304. Rhino May 2, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Here’s the weather forecast for Antarctica.
    http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html
    Quoting that one budget statistic in isolation is like saying that global warming is no problem because today it’s -70C in Antarctica. You’re going to have to do a whole lot better than this.

  305. Widespreadpanic7 May 2, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    -95*F.
    Feels like-95*F.

  306. ozone May 2, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    Here ya go, Neighbors!
    How ya gonna git some revenoo to retrofit the Great Crumbling without a little codified arm-twistin’?
    A thoroughly enjoyable romp, as the writer of “The Dead Zone” takes on one head of the Hydra…
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31218.htm
    “I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar.” -S.K.
    Ha! Reminds me of the stylings of another acerbic writer we know, but who… who? (Somebody shut that owl up!)

  307. mika. May 2, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    Good AmRen article, Vlad. I don’t see any glaring factual OR editorial issues with it. It’s mostly a pure statement of facts.
    ==
    Pure statement of facts from a white supremacist nazi publication?
    You got to be kidding me. Actually, considering this pathetic sad joke is coming from you, snake, it’s no longer a pathetic sad joke but standard operating procedure, isn’t?
    You wants facts? Go read the court’s transcripts, snake.
    Also, considering that I’m deathly afraid of snakes, especially white snakes, when we meet for that beer I’ll be sure to bring another 4 of my friends armed with billy clubs and 50,000-volt electronic stun guns, to make sure we beat you down good so that you don’t steal our holstered guns while you try to slither away. Fucking snake.

  308. ozone May 2, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    What would those revenoos be denominated in?
    Here’s another country heard from, regarding less and less for more and more. The forest is looking deeper and darker these days, Nature Lovers.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31219.htm
    We should question the motives behind any investment analysts’ writings (and also the timing). I wouldn’t think they’d be penning such an article without a profit motive somewhere… But it doesn’t reduce the import of the trend.

  309. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    Alas – Mika, Mika, Met, Met
    Did you forget to take your anti-psychotic medications today?
    One thing is for sure, you must not have actually read the AmRen article that is supposed to be under discussion.
    Another thing that is certain is that you did not mention a single factual inconsistency in THAT article.
    You did vilify the source of the article, quite inaccurately.
    And you made an overt and nasty physical threat against me, apparently since you have no actual facts or logic to make your case.*
    K/Q thinks you are a “Horse’s Ass.”
    I disagree.
    I’m pretty sure you are merely psychotic, but your psychosis is only visible on some irregular schedule that I have not yet been able to detect.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29
    Be sure to read the last paragraph of the Wiki, before you go nuts, again.
    *Consider the beer summit offer formally withdrawn. I’m forgiving and inquisitive, and generally expect good from my fellow human beings.
    But you have made my “insanity detector” go off, one too many times.
    That’s a shame. Really.

  310. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    This was what I meant by the “last” paragraph.
    My mistake.
    “The Anti-Defamation League writes that “Taylor eschews anti-Semitism. Seeing Jews as white, greatly influential and the “conscience of society,” Taylor rather seeks to partner with Jews who share his views on race and racial diversity” and “Jews have been speakers and/or participants at all eight American Renaissance conferences” although controversy followed accusations by David Duke, who was not a scheduled presenter, at the 2006 conference.[4] Taylor in response wrote that “There will be no more disgraceful behavior of this kind if people who attend AR conferences bear in mind that Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance, and are welcome participants and speakers. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the choice of staying home or keeping his views to himself.”[7]”

  311. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Needlessly divisive or a needed divide? Think of it this way – say you cheat on your wife. She catches you. You sincerely repent and promise to never do it again. Try to make it up to her. But all to no effect: she wont let it go and makes your life a living hell – almost as if she’s prefers it this way, having something “on you”. So the existential question becomes: do you choose life or death? In spite of your causing it, it is obvious that she is incapable of forgivness. So the question becomes can you forgive yourself and move on. Realizing that despite your sin, there’s more here than your infidelity. And in case, despite any allocation of past blame, the reality of the present is that the marriage is over or as we say in Boston, Ova.
    This I submit is the situation of the Whites and Blacks in America. It was a bad marriage right from the begining and yes, our fault, our primal sin. Some of the Founding Father acknowledged as much – a terrible way to start a new country. But the difference was that they loved themselves and we don’t. They knew the answer involved separation. If you don’t know this, you don’t know your American History. We cannot go on like this – the status quo you love so much is not a viable option. It’s either separation or back to Jim Crow. We must stay on top if we are to have any rights or Civilization at all. Extreme? Extreme times call for extreme measures to meet them. Separation is not extreme but rather meet and just. The status quo is the real “extremism” now.

  312. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    But a few posts down you say we’re doing pretty good.
    Nothing is harder than understanding one’s own mind. You have to hold both views simultaneously. If you can, maintaining a third position of Observer, you may achieve a synthesis. You don’t have to do anything but hold the position: it will synthesize “by itself”.
    Humann Potential types call it personal growth. Their views are often offensive I know, but they do know a thing or two. Their problem is that they never stop talking about and thus make a very personal thing into a trophy. That and of course that they are traitors to their Nation.

  313. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    No I haven’t heard about it. But I can easily believe it: he is a gifted man committed to using his gifts for evil.
    As I always say, the few Blacks that could attain the American Dream on their own power often choose something else entirely – to tear it down. To throw Whites down in order to raise Blacks up. But their calculations are flawed: they think we will keep working hard, becoming the worker bees that support the colored drones – their slaves. But we wont – can’t in fact since the jobs are gone. We have been denied the chance to throw the drones out of the hive like worker bees do on a regular basis.

  314. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Amren is “Vatican”. Don’t you know that? “Vatican” is anything that Mika doesn’t like. Mika is probably “Vatican” too since he has blue eyes.

  315. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    “Think of it this way – say you cheat on your wife. She catches you. You sincerely repent and promise to never do it again.” -vk-
    Vlad, you’re entitled to your own opinions.
    I was just saying that comparing “blacks” to “pit bulls” is WAAY to categorical, too stereotypical, and too pointlessly divisive.
    It is a rhetorical overreach of a sort that negates, in most logical minds, any actual truth that you might otherwise have to share.
    ============================
    In other words –
    You are hurting your own case.

  316. mika. May 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Another thing that is certain is that you did not mention a single factual inconsistency in THAT article.
    ==
    Really? How many times did these white fuckers treat a white guy to this kind of brutality, and what for? The whole article is one big factual inconsistency in that it does not present a complete picture and what it does present is colored by suggestions of motive that are completely ludicrous, which I pointed out to you in my example. Of-course, you constantly and continually try to opine that Vlad’s nazi lies and propaganda are legitimate and correct and that you are unbiased. Only you’re not unbiased and Vlad’s nazi propaganda lies are anything but legitimate.

  317. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, believes what 8man believes: free money. Distribute the inertia evenly. Why? Because technology takes away jobs, more and more as Tech increases. And that’s not even taking outsourcing into account.
    Would it work? People say European Welfare States were viable. So in a homogenous state, perhaps. Of course it presupposes that alot of people would want to work a bit, and that the gifted would want to work alot and strive for excellence. Among our own people, these can be assumed as valid. But among Blacks? Don’t think so. They would use up their monthly portion and turn to crime for the rest – in massive numbers.
    And even in Europe, irrationality triumphed. They weren’t satisfied just to be well fed cows. They wanted to achieve something, but what? Why not metta world peace? And at the same time show the racist Americans how it’s done? So they opened their borders and doomed themselves. And Anders Breivik is right: it already too late to stop the dispossesion of Whites thru peaceful democratic means. So what to do? Lie down and accept the betrayal as the new status quo – as you would have us do?

  318. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    No it’s valid in the metaphor as humans as dogs. Whites would be German Shepherds and East Asians Golden Retrievers. Are there rabid Golden Retrievers? Yes. Are there peaceful Pit Bulls? Yes. But do the math Prog, do the damn math.
    Whites as German Shepherds are in the middle but with a distinct lean towards the Golden East. Hispanics in the middle but with a lean towards the Pit. Perhaps Doberman Pinschers? American Indians probably exactly in the middle – perhaps Boxers?

  319. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    In case anyone is interested, Murray’s other premise is that the Welfare Bureacracy is voracious and alot of the money never reaches the People for whom it is intended; a very poor way to distribute funds. So why not just get rid of it and give everyone a monthly check? Social credit! Of course that brings up alot of issues – like price controls etc. A vibrant underground economy would be produced as a matter of course. Not necessarily a bad thing.

  320. k-dog May 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Do you remember the oil spill in which quObama was too busy kissing BP’s ass to do anything while the black artery squirted into the gulf for weeks?
    eyeless shrimp
    Welcome to test tube Earth. Dispersant use was a really bad idea.

  321. Bustin J May 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    Another example of Earths ‘resilience’.
    Every time I think of eating animals I think of cancer.
    Tony Hayward should have been forced to walk the plank.

  322. k-dog May 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Another really bad idea from Mr. Change we can believe in. I won’t Drone on but:
    “A top US official has defended as legal and ethical its use of drone strikes to target terrorism suspects.”
    Exactly what kind of murder would be unethical?
    It seems dissenting opinion was not on the menu. Watch the video, it’s a hoot.

  323. k-dog May 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    The Earth is resilient. In twenty thousand years after our stupidity has killed everyone, gulf shrimp will be fat and happy with two eyes each. To Mother Nature twenty thousand years is no time at all. This is just Mother Natures immune system kicking in to remove the human infection.

  324. k-dog May 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    He should have yes, but since he didn’t how about he has to sit down with Barack and eats a heaping plate of gulf seafood.
    The cancerous lesions might be Yummy.

  325. Eleuthero May 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    P2C said:
    And you made an overt and nasty physical threat against me, apparently since you have no actual facts or logic to make your case.*
    K/Q thinks you are a “Horse’s Ass.”
    I disagree.
    I’m pretty sure you are merely psychotic, but your psychosis is only visible on some irregular schedule that I have not yet been able to detect.
    ******************************************************
    So you’re the latest to receive a physical threat from CFN’s “histrionic-in-residence”? I truly wonder, P2C, why you still see value in this execrable blog? My attitude about psychosis is that it still doesn’t give a free pass to be an asshole. For example, I’ve met nice bipolars and asshole bipolars, nice schizos and nasty schizos, and so on. Free will to be humane or a jackass still exists in the worst psychoses.
    Mika is just a hateful guy who has to “one up” even his rhetorical allies because he’s very likely to be a sourpuss who has not succeeded in life so he has to feel “powerful” by “knowing more” than you … by his own declaration, of course. This blog is now just about officially worthless.
    Forget about my departure … when people like LBendet left you knew the bad had driven out the good. This is my first “drive-by” in about 11 days and I suspect that future “drive-by” visits here will be spaced further and further apart until I do a final “fade to black”. It’s merely boring here now.
    I find it comical that many people routinely post here ten or more times a day. And it’s not like there’s a wealth of tremendous knowledge bases or displays of great eloquence. Personally, I was getting embarrassed when my average posting rate reached about two/day on average.
    I visit theoildrum.com and other “real” websites. I’m surprised Jim hasn’t just shut the blog portion of CFN down. What a claque of “get-a-lifers”.
    E.

  326. Jimmy Drinkwater May 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    (quote)I visit theoildrum.com and other “real” websites. I’m surprised Jim hasn’t just shut the blog portion of CFN down. What a claque of “get-a-lifers”.(/quote)
    Heh, no web forums are “real”. I’ll check in at the bottom of the comment page once a day or so (who would read all the cross talk?) but I don’t think JHK is gonna shut anything down when it’s all about the hits.

  327. DeeJones May 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    “First there is PLENTY of oil left. We have shale oil galore plus all the oil offshore. If we could just expel all the greenies this country would be a big time exporter in no time.The traitor libs want America to die I guess.”
    Geez, just what do YOU smoke for fun? PCP?
    If you would do the research, instead of listing to Douch Limpbag, you would find out that all the shale oil barely makes a dent in what the USA imports because Americans refuse to drive fuel efficient cars, and instead insist on driving SUVs and Huge Trucks. There will never be a day when the USA will EVER be a “big time (oil) exporter”. Not ever.
    As for us ‘greenies’, do the research. If it wasn’t for us, most metro US cities would probably have air quality on par or worse than Mexico City* does now. If it wasn’t for us fighting for clean air and water, and constantly fighting for emission control standards, you would be looking at and breathing brown air. Have you ever been to a city* with bad air? Take a vacation in Mexico City sometime and then go home and thank the ‘greenies’ that you have blue sky, and good air to breath. Same goes for the lakes & rivers you probably like to rec in. Did you know that at one time the Great Lakes were on the verge of becoming open cesspools, devoid of life? Without the ‘greenies’, those lake would still be filled with barely treated sewage, and toxic industrial waste that probably could take the paint off your car in about 5 mintues.
    And we are still fighting, Corporate America still wants to ‘roll back’ hard-fought environmental laws.
    “It’s becoming very clear what four years of liberalism has done to our country. The rot is everywhere. Now is time to turn the tide.”
    Pull your head out of your ass. Don’t you even recall that it was 8 YEARS of Republican/Conservative rule that got the US where it was when Obama took office? There is no freaking way he can be or is responsible for the state of the nation. He’s like the captain of the Titanic, except he took control of the ship of state AFTER it had already hit the iceberg.
    You should be THANKING liberals that stood up to Bush & the Republicans after 9/11 and prevented them from having things completely their way, or things would be a whole lot worse than they are now.
    Oh, and what has god ever done for you?
    Dee :[

  328. asoka. May 2, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Hey, Widespread. It’s not just things like health and education where the United States falls behind. The United States is also behind in FREEDOM. Are you familiar with Freedom House? They rank countries based on scores derived from freedoms enjoyed by a country’s people. The overall score for the USA declined by one point this year due to detentions, rough police tactics, and other difficulties encountered by journalists while covering protests associated with the Occupy movement. The best countries have a zero score (no violations). The USA is at 22 (which means less freedom available).
    Freedom House placed the U.S. at 22, tied with Estonia and Jamaica with an 18 point score. (0 is the best on the scale.)
    It’s the second time this year that the U.S. has suffered in a press freedom index over Occupy. In January, Reporters Without Borders was much harsher towards the country, dropping it 27 places due to “the many arrests of journalist covering Occupy Wall Street protests.”

  329. xhalor May 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    As if we need the CIA to do what we DO-WHACKA-DO.






  330. mika. May 2, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    So you’re the latest to receive a physical threat
    ==
    Nice try at that bit of revisionism, EL TORO.
    PC is not the latest; he’s part of the original four CFN nazis, which included you, vlad, and anti. The sooner you all vamoose out of here, the better for me, as it would save me a lot of typing and conversating in your retarded language.

  331. ozone May 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Hullo in there … there … there … there {cavernous echo}
    Not sure what that particular observation would have to do with me. I’m the guy that sees potential in most things that are not ugly human minds. Valuable public infrastructure, purchased with public funds and the publics’ sweat does not resemble a “target” in any way, shape or form to me. Only in the utmost extremis would such a thing be destroyed; it has far too much utility. The laddie is always in such a state; and he only has the opinions that are dictated to him daily, so don’t look for anything that might be genuine or thoughtful from that corner of the Military-Security-Complex. (That quaint old “industry” part was so unnecessary, and was sold off without so much as a sniffle or wave goodbye.)
    These particular dimwits haven’t any sympathy from me. The “plot” was the very definition of a false-flag setup. Shit, if you have to be talked into a “nefarious deed”, you’d think that would be warning enough that something might be a bit hinky, no?
    But anyway, no real opinion on the whole clusterfuck of an “operation” as my nose is to the ground for potential, not destruction for the fuck of it. (That would be the bailiwick of the imbeciles in the cammy-jammies. “We break things and kill people; ain’cha proud mom?”)
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  333. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Good article about Black crime on the beach in Tel Aviv. But you don’t care about your own people – you’ve got jungle fever!
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  334. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    But you don’t deny that you are an anarchist in favor of violence. You just want better targets – like Prince Phillip and his wife I assume.

  335. mika. May 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    Let me ask you this, Vlad: If you were hungry and you needed money to eat, would you not steal for a piece of bread? These Africans have nothing. They do what they do literally to survive from day to day. The Israeli government is acting very stupidly. These refugees are physically strong people. We could use such people in many sectors of the economy. Instead of wasting police manpower on idiocy, put these African refugees to constructive purposes.

  336. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

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  337. mika. May 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    The “anarchists” who are violent are usually, if not always, government agents. They are not anarchists at all, but government agent provocateurs.

  338. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

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    The Orthodox also have contempt for the common civic Israeli society. The young men go on welfare in order to study the Talmud all day. But they have the babies and are the brutal, ignorant future of your country. Most of the Settler types are just this.

  339. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    Here’s another suggestion, Vlad.
    Don’t link to AmRen or FOX News – if you can possibly find another more “unbiased?” link that has the exact same information.
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  340. mika. May 2, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    The young men go on welfare in order to study the Talmud all day. But they have the babies and are the brutal, ignorant future of your country.
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  341. mika. May 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    serve in ^the army

  342. progress2conserve May 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    “These refugees are physically strong people.’
    -mika, exposing his OWN prejudice-
    ALL of these black refugees share one positive asset, that being physical strength, Mika?
    Not emotional strength?
    Not intellectual strength?
    “Them thar’ be some strong black bucks on that thar’ Tel Aviv beach!” mika subconsciously says.

  343. mika. May 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    It’s a start. It will give these people a chance to learn hebrew, the ways of the country, etc. They can always upgrade to something better later on. But leaving these people stranded like that is completely unnecessary and completely idiotic.

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  345. mika. May 2, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

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  348. anti soak May 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    I cant find yr comment on ‘Welfare State’.
    1…If there are jobs!
    2…If most have Ethics and a work ethic [pun intended] then Stat-ism is OK, as it will be less.
    In USA I have been told that Russian Jews get ‘Refugee’ status hence a free ride…SSI,Housing,Medical,EBT….which explains why we have so many of them.
    Remember a Jew told me LA Jewish Charities ‘only help immigrants, not her and others like her who have needs’.
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  350. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    You have to realize that we’ve heard excuses like that for the last fifty years. So many special allowance have been made for them – all to no avail. If you give in to them, you’re finished. They understand one thing: force. The word for fear and the word for fear are the same in many African languages.
    And Mika – they’ll be attacking people like you. The Orthodox will retaliate with vigor and in greater numbers. But you poor Western Liberals – you are individuals, you are Alone.

  351. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    Say a graceful goodbye E. You don’t have to trash us. You’re better than that.
    Is the Oil Drum free or moderated? Would they be open my life giving message of racial love/hate?

  352. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    Israel has a Russian Nazi community apparently: calling oneself a Jew is a good way to get out of Russia and get benefits. So much for the fiery, and wise Israelis. They’re begining to sound as clownish as Americans.
    Just on O’Reilly: The Virginia Beach mob attack has hit the big time. O’Reilly is amazed that the paper tried to bury the story on two of its own reporters. And I’m amazed that he’s amazed: does he really not know that this has been standard practice for decades? No matter. It’s out. Thank God. Finally, thank God.
    The guy got out when a rock hit his car. Oh White people! O’Reilly and Fox news may save future lives by talking about this.
    Last night a show was on the Hip Hop channel about the Los Angeles riot. It focused on the positive aspects of how it brought Black and Brown together and also Bloods and Crips. Beating Whites and looting will do that. Of course it was all justified more or less. They did ask one of the guys who beat Reginald Denny whether he was sorry. Not much. All in all the riots were a very good thing. But it seems like we need a new renewal. That’s my impression – they’re gearing up for more riots this summer.

  353. Vlad Krandz May 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    Meant to say the word for fear and the word for respect are the same.

  354. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Nonsense Prog. Spoken like an isolated White Liberal – not a member of a counter revolution. I’m just a small part of something very big and important: the salvation of the White Race. And I will get the message out in anyway I can. The actual issue is less important – just an EXAMPLE of the underlying problem which demands a solution.
    Check this out: Blacks trash Georgia Beach in annual celebration. Apparently several communities in the South are tormented yearly in this fashion. In one town, restaurants and shops close up for the weekend to avoid the Black Collegiate Thugs.
    http://amren.com/news/2012/05/trash-left-on-tybee-beach-sparks-ire-in-wake-of-orange-crush/

  355. mika. May 3, 2012 at 1:06 am #

    And Mika – they’ll be attacking people like you.
    ==
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  356. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 1:42 am #

    3. A black racist – asoka.
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    P2C, you know me better than that, yet you limit me to Black racist, which are only two aspects of my being?
    I am an atheist, Muslim, pacifist, an avid reader, a permaculturalist, gadfly, Buddhist, communist, minimalist, environmental activist, agnostic, etc.
    I am voluntarily poor and yet live life richly. There is no limit to the number of people I can love.
    Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.
    — Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass

  357. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    P2C, you know me better than that, yet you limit me to Black racist, which is only one aspect of my being?
    I was a racist, an angry Black man, but that was decades ago. Being Black and experiencing racial discrimination contaminated me with racism.
    My whole life has been an effort to escape the damaging effects of racism. Now I embrace multiculturalism and practice lovingkindness toward all.

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    actually, there are various groups that have been proposing for years that we eliminate high school entirely and go to a collegial format directly out of middle school…for the life of me, i cannot remember his name; but i saw an interview quite a while ago of a school super who said that all high school is capable of in its current iteration is teach kids to form cliques and social strata; and discourage all but average intelligence with all of ‘teaching’ being a cookie cutter approach: one size fits none is a great way to put it…and i can only imagine the guy’s conniption at no child left behind, and all of the standardized cheat- i mean testing that goes on nowadays, (no) thanks to jr…

  380. balkan May 3, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    I’ll rather say that most of the visitors to JHK s site, as well as to Orlov’s. (RIP) Bageant’s and TAE. are the ones who see the decline. Being surrounded by ignorant, weekly readings help one to maintain some level of sanity because someone is writing and expressing in much nicer way what is obvious but not to one’s loved ones or people that one is working with. That is the part that I see as sad.
    Wrong reason to be on this blog would be, like two idiot, calendar marker posters way above, expecting for Jim to predict ,within a minutes, time of collapse and by that completly missing the point about “zeitgeist” where we live.
    Other interesting thing about this blog site is that, not once, after only few posts discussion trails off in any direction without objection on Jim’s part. Rants, opinions and insults go all over the place, like gathering of dysfunctional family at Thanksgiving dinner, just in time for new Monday morning blog :).

  381. k-dog May 3, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    I could throw down the geographical coordinates and graduation year but I need more votes before that happens. I’ve been waiting for someone to mention public education so I could toss in my nickle for a while.
    I was lucky, I graduated at the apex of ‘peak’ education. Moving to the west coast a few years later I was shocked to find out the local dogs had to go through at least two years of community college just to roll over, play dead and jump as well as I with only twelve years of public obedience school.
    Notable is that dropping out while possible was shunned. Out of three hundred in my obedience school class perhaps only five dogs ever dropped out and never learned to walk. The rest either learned to bark on command or went to mandatory summer school to learn missing tricks and not pull on the leash. Nobody wanted to go to summer school, the system worked pretty well. Dropping the ball was unacceptable, everyone learned to fetch.
    Except for a third grade lesbian who put the boy dogs in the back row and told them they were bad the teachers were all good.
    I suspect peak education coincided with the domestic oil peak. Perhaps a pit bull PHD candidate could look into this. The results might be interesting.

  382. Rhino May 3, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Assoka,
    You say you’re not a racist anymore.
    So do tell Assoka, when did you garb yourself in radiant white and adopt this pose of purity?
    Or did you really see the light of sanity and stop being a racist? When? Sometime between April 21, 2012 at 3:08 am and today? When exactly? Yesterday? 15 minutes ago?
    I ask because on April 21, 2012 at 3:08 am you asked anti soak why he didn’t recognize that whites were more violent and morally depraved than other races. Sounds pretty racist to me. Obviously at that moment, on that day you were still a racist.
    So you must have had some kind of revelation, maybe a conversion on the road to Damascus so to speak. Maybe you saw a blinding light and heard a voice speaking to you. Sometime between April 21 and today.
    Here’s your post to help refresh your memory:
    asoka. replied to comment from anti soak | April 21, 2012 3:08 AM | Reply
    Yes, white people too are violent. So what?
    ===============
    More violent than any other race. Millions dead in the last century from white on white violence (Germany bombing England, Germany invading Poland, etc.) Whites developing and dropping the atomic bomb on a civilian population center, and then repeating the heinous morally depraved act a few days later on another civilian population center.
    Didn’t you say you were Native American? Are you don’t recognize that whites are more violent and morally depraved than other races? 15 million indigenous peoples in the New World murdered by whites.
    Do enlighten us Assoka. We’re waiting…

  383. anti soak May 3, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    Mister Pretzel Logic says what he says, never afraid to contradict or twist!

  384. Rhino May 3, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

    What’s more offensive to the nostrils, the whiffs of zyklonB or the stink of hypocrisy?

  385. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    You didn’t read the article anymore than Kdog did – you just crammed it into your “bad schools” paradigm. The schools failed you just like they do Blacks etc.
    That’s not what Fred wrote. He was talking about the mediocrity, the intrinsic genetic mediocrity of people and how THAT effects the school system. I commnend Fred: not only should most people not go to college, most shouldn’t be in high school either! Once free of the dead wood, the schools can focus on those who can benefit from them. For the average person, higher education would mean trade school. Or Companies can provide it as is often done in Japan.
    Fred also said that we don’t have a Democracy – and he implied that given what people are, we shouldn’t even try. By definition, the majority will always be wrong about everything.
    That’s all I’ve ever been trying to say, folks.

  386. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    whites were more violent and morally depraved than other races. Sounds pretty racist to me.
    =============
    If the describing the historical record makes me a racist in your eyes, then yes I am still a racist though I now believe in the universal redeem-ability.

  387. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    We don’ need no steen’king bridge-bloween, gringo.
    ================
    Why, now that you mention it, the anarchists who were arrested were all white. Hmmm…

  388. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    E., good to see you back and contributing to the comedy of CFN. Your posts are hilarious! Keep ‘em coming.

  389. k-dog May 3, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Mister Pretzel Logic. That’s good.
    On an unrelated note from his second self.
    You didn’t read the article anymore than Kdog did
    Hmmmmmmm, one of Fred’s fans doesn’t read Fred. And somebody’s elevator doesn’t go to the top floor, no surprise.

  390. k-dog May 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    “Educate and inform the whole mass of the people…. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  391. charliefoxtrot May 3, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    …top floor?! shee-it, flad has a hard time cranking that rattle-trap old cage off the lobby floor…! and as for “analysis” of what fred means by it all, hey fladikins, i taught myself to read at five and have been doing so at a prodigious rate ever since…i think i can handle it for myself, fuckyouverymuch; no need to tell me what i believe…jackass!

  392. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    the majority will always be wrong about everything
    ==
    That’s because the elite always make sure that this is so, by herding the majority into a rigged situation where the majority always lose and are preyed upon. The way to stop this predation is through an open society and democracy.
    Btw, who the fuck is Fred, and why the fuck should we care?

  393. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    LOL! I love the way you tease them. Good job, Asoka.

  394. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Vlad,
    I gave a lot of time to answer my question, and you still have not answered it. You come down pretty hard on these people, but what would you do in their situation?

  395. Bustin J May 3, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    K-doug said “The Earth is resilient. In twenty thousand years after our stupidity has killed everyone, gulf shrimp will be fat and happy with two eyes each. To Mother Nature twenty thousand years is no time at all. This is just Mother Natures immune system kicking in to remove the human infection.”
    I was wondering how many mythologies could fit in a single paragraph. Thank you. The total is 5.
    Look at Mars. The barren landscape, the thin atmosphere. Some evidence suggests it once looked like Earth. Does anyone say, “Mars is resilient”?
    Earth’s systems are more fragile that you apparently understand. A very small number of people understand this fact. Few people have the imagination to appreciate geological time, let alone seasonal or annual timescales. The predominance of attention and focus is on the past, the now, and the near future. Humans have no inborn instinct for grasping the complexity of the Earth system. It is explained again and again and yet it doesn’t sink in.
    I think the awareness is blocked by several mechanisms. The first is congenital inability to perceive. The second is existential terror, that is, the basic fact that “everyone you know will grow old and die”: this overshadows everything and causes us all to yearn to return to a womb, any womb. The third is the practical reality of living within a system of brutal coercion and gangster-ism (this modern capitalist system). The fourth is the suffocating blanket of bullshit woven by everyone, all the time, in day-to-day life.
    If we were the men we aspire to be, we’d be livid, unafraid, and taking scalps down at city hall. We’d hunger for the glory of being tased with ten thousand watts. We’d spit in the face of authority and seize the fascist reins of power and smite our enemies and force them to eat great platefuls of shrimply bounty.

  396. Bustin J May 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    I did not mean to incite any competitions to cram the maximum number of mythologies into a single paragraph of reasonable length. The award would go to Vlad, hands down.
    I am also pleased to see I have not been profiled by PoC’s list. It pleases me, that in this state of insidious social degeneration, whereupon everyone is being reduced to a “profile”, I remain enigmatic and ambiguous.

  397. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    I remain enigmatic and ambiguous
    ==
    That’s because your posts are very forgettable, Bustin. :P

  398. welles May 3, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    CFN: What a claque of “get-a-lifers”.
    British accent: Here, here!
    Great word, ‘claque’.
    peace peaceniks

  399. turkle May 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    The Oilpocalypse (I like this…can I steal it?) occurs around the time of Peak Oil, when oil production enters into decline. Currently, it is in a sort of plateau, but many experts are pretty sure it is here already. Anyways, it is pretty easy to say, “Oh, hey, things are fine here.” from one of the richest countries in the world. Much of the rest of the world is already, by comparison, energy starved. Food prices have gone through the roof over the last couple years. Do you do your own shopping?
    We’re already in the long shadow of Peak Oil. Cheney was well aware of the PO issue when he and the neocons planned the invasion of Iraq, back in the late 90’s. There are little battles that have occurred. There are small apocalypses firing off around the globe.
    If you’re waiting for every place on the planet to go Mad Max before declaring that the Mayan Apocalypse is upon us, that’s a bit melodramatic. That’s not how it will work. Not everyplace will be affected the same. Not every place will decline at the same rate or on the same time scale.
    Vlad, why don’t you give the race stuff a rest? I mean, really, who cares if you’re right or wrong. Your shtick is tired and boring. You get yourself all worked up on here about things, but, in the real world, people of all races work and play together everyday. The majority get along fine. I’ve been in the South for a couple weeks. Black and white people working together, oh my! Every black person I spoke with was extremely polite and friendly. I sensed not a whiff of all this burning hatred and violence that you seem to obsess over here, week after week after week….
    I do not sense this impending Race War of which you’re so convinced, and I believe most people will want nothing to do with anything like this. They just want to live their lives. If you actually talked to real people once in awhile, maybe you’d be clued in to the majority’s actual attitudes, rather than just these fictions and gross exaggerations that seem to be constantly kicking around your old noggin. Most people are not Race Warriors like you and do not get so worked up about these things. Of course, the media works pretty hard to whip people up into a frenzy about manufactured issues, but if you actually interacted regularly with, you know, non-virtual people, you’d see that the vast majority of them are non-violent, friendly, and not filled with hatred and grievance.
    BTW, this was a good post. JHK is much more articulate and pointed in describing decayed landscapes than in writing about politics or things of that nature.

  400. k-dog May 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Momma Earth has been around for five billion years. She survived the Permian extinction and the extinction of the dinosaurs, she will survive us. Spiecies come and spiecies go, we are only one in a long line of failed experiments.

  401. Eleuthero May 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    CFT … the REAL article worth reading on Fred’s site is the one immediately under “Enstupidation” and is called “Race War”. It’s especially important for the Rainbow Coalition types to read because it SAVAGES American Black behavior and the cravenness of American Whites to do anything about it but shield their eyes.
    A *must* read.
    E.

  402. k-dog May 3, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    Yes, he should give it a rest. Nobody cares.

  403. DeeJones May 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    “Is the Oil Drum free or moderated? Would they be open my life giving message of racial love/hate?”
    Its free and moderated. But they also prefer intelligent posts, so, no, you would not make it there.
    The many, many posts & threads on the DWH disaster were quite educational. But I reply to posts there on occasion.
    Dee J

  404. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Another funny post!
    You obsessing about “Black behavior” while Rome crumbles around us. Anything to take eyes off the real (white skinned) culprits (Bush and company) who have stolen trillions (2005-2007) and then crashed our economy in Sept. 2008 (a gift for the first Black president from the white Vikings).
    ————————-
    In response to K-Dog’s excellent post that starts “Momma Earth has been around for five billion years” I offer this:
    A billion stars go spinning through the night,
    Blazing high above your head.
    But in you is the presence that
    Will be, when all the stars are dead.

    ~ Rainer Maria Rilke

  405. BeantownBill May 3, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    “I think the awareness is blocked by several mechanisms. The first is congenital inability to perceive.”
    This is true. I’d add to your list of mechanisms the fact that American life is too complex for the average citizen to comprehend a lot of things. Basically, Americans live in “the matrix”, with TPTB employing an all-pervasive cloaking device to shield reality from the masses.

  406. ak May 3, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    Meanwhile, on Club Orlov:
    Making the Internet Safe for Anarchy

  407. progress2conserve May 3, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    Don’t give up on learning things from this place, E.*
    For example, the recent UNYIELDING and UNRETRACTED pledge of one American poster to defend another (racist, unpleasant, and probably 1/2 psychotic) poster, “to the death,” because they share Ancient Tribal History –
    -sight unseen on an anonymous forum- **
    Has been one of the more shocking revelations – that I have been forced to face in many years.
    It has become a permanent part of my knowledge of the world, and not a good part.*
    So, just don’t make the mistake of hoping that the things you learn here will always be GOOD things, E.
    ==================
    Also, what’s with the idea of counting posts.
    If you’ve got something to say, say it, E.
    I treat this place like an interactive journal.
    One of the better writers to come through here, OrionNoir, expressed an idea that he would stop posting and go “torment Microsoft Word, rather than the readers of this comment thread.” (paraphrased)
    I think that’s a common sentiment, among some really thoughtful folks. Not me, if I’m gonna’ take the time to write something, I’m putting it out there where somebody’s going to read it.

  408. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm #

    Your “not caring” is a numbing of your natural faculties and capacity for outrage, loyalty, curiousity, etc. Human beings are icebergs with 90% of so beneath the surface. Liberals like you have even more beneath the surface. As Aldous Huxley said, reality is something people can’t take too much of. And Liberals can’t take even as much as normal people.

  409. progress2conserve May 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    13. An enigmatic, ambiguous social liberal, with an unambiguous theory that humans will be extinct, soon.
    Sorry, BJ – I was going for things that would fit on one line. You’re too enigmatic for that. ;)
    And I forgot:
    14. A dog running for POTUS. HOWLL!!

  410. progress2conserve May 3, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    OK, a.., I’ll modify it for you:
    3. A black racist who says things like “if describing the historical record makes me a racist in your eyes, then yes I am still a racist..”
    While another asokatude is considering simple examination of PRESENT DAY black criminality and violence to be racist –
    While yet another asokatude says that whites deserve black and brown disrespect due to karma.
    And another asokatude says that blacks are more criminal because of slavery.
    Because, generally speaking, the multitude known as asoka, prefers the “rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future.”
    (tm messianicdruid)
    ————
    Now you see, E – a post like this would just not fit well on TOD, would it.

  411. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Free men aren’t equal and equal men aren’t free. And the equal treatment of unequal people is tyranny (Title 9).
    Your statement just means that you hate free speech but like the appearance of it for your own self image. How feminine.

  412. progress2conserve May 3, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    Vlad –
    I’m not sure you are understanding my point. Posting AmRen links when something else makes the point equally well is just bad PR.
    Another thing – I’m not sure “leaving a mess,” is solely a “black characteristic.” It may be a characteristic of “low class,” “young,” or “drunk” people – all equally.
    Here’s a more balanced article –
    http://savannahnow.com/news/2012-04-24/orange-crush-highlights-year-long-litter-issues-tybee#.T6LJcMUmHIU
    Although the comments to this article does have “blacks” and “whites” flailing away at each other with some enthusiasm –
    despite Turkle’s kind words about race relations in the South.
    =======================
    You have done me one personal favor, Vlad. Tybee is one of my favorite beaches – due to its proximity to many dead and buried relatives.
    I’ll for damn sure check the Orange Crush schedule before going to Tybee next spring!
    If TS doesn’t hit TF, first, of course.

  413. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    “What would those revenoos be denominated in?”
    What inflation? (More liek, “WUT, ME WORRY?!?”)
    http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/monopoly-money.jpg
    That infoclearinghouse has some gud articles!

  414. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    Well I’d have to know the conditions more to say exactly what “I” would do. Are there no social services available? If not, I would immediately find other bums and start learning the ropes of life on the street/beach. But you know what? I bet there’s alot of things one could do even in that situation other than stealing unattended purses or knocking old ladies down for them. Look into soup kitchens first. If none, find out about restaurant dumpsters etc. Steal? If one has to – go to the open air market and grab something. If caught, at least it’s clear what you were after and your motivations. Go to jail and get three square a day – and maybe some services or job training after that. Again, I remind you that I’m not right wing and I believe Goverment has a role to play. No contradictions here for me.
    I would not perpetrate violence against another just to eat. Something else would work – even if it wasn’t very nice. Of course during the Long Emergency that wont be the case any longer… I still can’t see myself hurting anyone. Better to starve if unprepared. But struggle to find food, fight to live – of course.
    I personally would have a hard time begging for money from other people. I’d rather dumpster dive, eat leftovers from a bin, etc. But I suppose I could humble myself if I had to. Pride leads these guys to crime – for them the “easy route”. Not for me.

  415. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    “Nothing is harder than understanding one’s own mind. You have to hold both views simultaneously. If you can, maintaining a third position of Observer, you may achieve a synthesis. You don’t have to do anything but hold the position: it will synthesize “by itself”.”
    LOL! I’ve never heard a better justification for schizophrenia/DID!!! This one even blows the following out of the water:
    “I’m not crazy – everyone else *IS*!”

  416. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    “I was just saying that comparing “blacks” to “pit bulls” is WAAY to categorical, too stereotypical, and too pointlessly divisive. ”
    So is all this “pit bull” stuff the result of quObama’s joking about eating them?
    “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?”
    quObama would eat the hockey mom? *NOT*!!! Hehe, now *that’s* funny.

  417. BeantownBill May 3, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Fuck, Procon, if my statement is one of the most stunning revelations you’ve had to face in many years, you don’t get out very much, do you?
    So, I guess my statement stunned you more than 9/11, huh? Or more than America electing a black president (a good thing, btw)? Or the economy crashing in 2007-8? Or bin Laden being killed last year? Wow! I didn’t know I was so powerful!
    You know what stuns me? A 43 year old famous, rich, beloved man who seemed to have everything killing himself. Or 46.5 million Americans not being able to afford to eat enough. Or that the universe is expanding with a repulsive force stronger than gravity such that our universe will end up an empty nothingness.
    Get a sense of perspective, will you?
    “Don’t give up on learning things from this place, E.*”
    He can’t learn things from this place, Procon, because he already knows everything about everything. I must be pretty dumb because I just can’t understand why a man who despises this comment section so much continues to post here.
    Personally, I’d be very happy if I never saw any of his posts again. He’s a two-track horse: He hates people and he hates our society. That’s all he’s got to say. Big deal.

  418. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    “Every time I think of eating animals I think of cancer.”
    Hey – don’t sweat it, Big Dog. They continue to increasingly contaminate land/air/water/sea, via heavy metals and radioactive waste, in *addition* to the carcinogenic hydrocarbons (“cortexiphan” [hehe Fringe], corexit, fracking sludge, pesticides, herbicides, GMO grafted “round-up” producers, preservatives, etc, *ad nauseum*)…

  419. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Why bad PR? As if I am ashamed of White Nationalism – even the very weak kind offered at Amren? Or as if (as I already said) that all these things are isolated and not related to the perilous condition our people find ourselves in?
    No on all counts. Many will flock to ours standard once they know who we really are instead of the caricatures presented by the mainstream Jewish controlled media. So in a way, every knock is a boost as long as they spell our name right and people can get to our sites. They know this even if you don’t – and they are desperate to shut down the free internet just as Dee is.

  420. Vlad Krandz May 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    He criticized the Jews. How dare he. All who criticize the Chosen are scum and must be destroyed.
    This is how Bill’s mind works. You see Bill, if you would criticize your own then other people wouldn’t have to as much….

  421. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    “I won’t Drone on”
    I recently heard commentary that now they’re (we’re?) justifying targetting groups of “potential terrorists/combatants,” rather than actually identifying any real “individual enemies”. Makes sense – why waste a drone missile on a single known target, when you can get multiple *collateral* results…

  422. BeantownBill May 3, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    What you do Vlad is not criticize. Criticizing is fine. You attack on a personal level; you make blanket statements without checking your facts, and without getting information from unbiased sources.
    What you just posted to me is very hypocritical. You say I think all who criticize Jews are scum and must be destroyed, yet you have said yourself that Jews are scum.
    You don’t know my mind, Vlad – I’ve never said those who criticize must be destroyed. Don’t put words into my mouth.
    Btw, I don’t believe the Jews are the chosen people; a simple look at history refutes that. You were very sarcastic when you said that.

  423. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    “I could go on and on, but you get the idea.”
    Awe, man! I didn’t even make the list! And you left out the anti-immigrant bashers/haters…

  424. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    “The word for fear and the word for fear are the same in many African languages.”
    You’re sh!tting me, correct? Hah!!!

  425. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    “P2C, you know me better than that”
    Well, F* – at least *YOU* made the list!!! You should be *proud*!!!

  426. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    I think the whole drone bomb business is just plain rude.
    When they kill the supposed “terrorist” or “al qaeda leader” and, of course, when they kill others in the attempt (as “collateral damage”), they should print the full names, ages, occupations, etc. of all those who were killed including the babies, children, pregnant women, and old men.
    Then there should be a USA taxpayer-funded program to send cards to the families, expressing sorrow for their lost mother, sister, child, brother, aunt, uncle, father, etc.
    If we have $770 million to pay for drone bombers, we can at least pay for a Hallmark card (a good $7.70 Hallmark card) to console those who are our allies, those we are “saving” from the Taliban, those who are grieving their lost family members. It’s only common courtesy.

  427. asoka. May 3, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    I am proud. I know P2C has affection for me, as I have for him and for his wife, for whom I have prayed more than once, when the occasion demanded.

  428. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    The snake is just “wrestling” with you, Bill. He be asking you to share a beer tomorrow after he squeezed your dead corpse of all its life and eaten you whole. All in good fun, of-course.

  429. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    “The addition of a “troofer” to the lists takes this site just a tad closer to “asylum” status.”
    Seeing as how that “troofer” whuz yer sock puppet, just makes it all the more *IRONIC*. Nice *CATCH, the very next poast!!!

  430. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    Well I’d have to know the conditions more to say exactly what “I” would do.
    ==
    And yet, you don’t hesitate to judge the situation without knowing all the facts — to bring down the hammer on these people. Why? Why such cruelty? What did these people ever do to you?

  431. metuselah May 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Pride leads these guys to crime – for them the “easy route”. Not for me.
    ==
    That’s not true. Bearing false witness is also a crime. You do it all the time, multiple times a day. And you do it out of conceit and pride.

  432. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    I should have simply summed it up as follows, “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!”

  433. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    So I’ve been pondering that whole Mrs Romney thang, the *stay at home mom*. It musta been rough on her, what with all the hired help – tutors, nannies, cooks, gardeners/yardworkers, chauffeurs, butlers, maids, etc. No wonder Mitt/they didn’t know any of them were illegals! At least now *entry* is via car elevators!!!
    (Someone plz do the research on the above *HELP*, and get back to me)…

  434. IxNoMor May 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    “Seeing as how that “troofer” whuz yer sock puppet”
    How can you be so hypocritical, when you also have a *sock puppet*?

  435. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    “How can you be so hypocritical”
    Oh, come now – *sport*! It’s just *U&ME*, and, “we’re the same!” (Falling Down)

  436. kfxzcad May 3, 2012 at 9:07 pm #
  437. Ixnei May 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm #