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Creepily Close

by James Howard Kunstler

     Things that can’t go on, the prophet Herb Stein once observed, go on until they can’t. Criticality eventually bushwhacks credulity. The aggregation of rackets that American life has become is rolling over like a great groaning wounded leviathan and the rest of the world is starting to freak out at the spectacle. Instead of a revolution, we’re having a suicide party.

     But don’t worry, a revolution would not be far behind. My guess is that it would kick off as generational rather than regional or factional, but it would eventually incorporate all three. A generation already swindled by the college loan racket must be chafing at the bureaucratic nightmare that ObamaCare instantly turned into at its roll-out, with a website that wouldn’t let anyone log in. Isn’t technology wonderful? I wonder when the “magic moment” will come when all those unemployed millennials join a Twitter injunction to just stop paying back their loans. If that particular message went out during this month’s government food fight, it would do more than just get the attention of a few politicians. It would crash the banks and snap the links in every chain of obligation holding the fiasco of globalism together.

     So far, the millennials have shown about as much political inclination as so many sowbugs under a rotten log, but it is in the nature of criticality that things change real fast. In any case, the older generations have completely disgraced themselves and it is only a question of how cruelly history will treat them in their unseating. The last time things got this bad, the guys in charge divided into two teams with blue and gray uniforms, rode gallantly onto the first fields of battle thinking it was a kind of rousing military theatrical, only to find themselves in a grinding four-year industrial-scale slaughter in which it was not uncommon for 20,000 young men to get shot to pieces in a single day — one day after another.

     Of course, things are a bit different now since we became a nation of overfed clowns dedicated to getting something for nothing, but despite the abject futility of American life in its current incarnation, there is room for plenty of violence and destruction. The sad and peculiar angle of the current struggle is that both sides in government wish heartily to keep all the rackets of daily life going — they just disagree on the distribution method of the vig.

     What amuses me at the moment is the behavior of the various financial markets and the cockamamie stories circulating to explain what they are doing in this time of perilous uncertainty. One popular story is called “the energy renaissance.” This is a fairy-tale that pretends that we have enough oil at a cheap enough price to keep driving to WalMart forever. Of course, shale oil wells that cost $12million to drill and produce 80 barrels-a-day for three years before crapping out altogether do not bode well for that outcome, but the wish to believe over-rides the reality. Another laughable story du jour is “the manufacturing renaissance.” This story proposes that the “central corridor” of the USA, from North Dakota to Texas, is about to give China a run for its money in manufacturing. The catch is that any new factory opening up in this scenario will be run on robots — leaving who, exactly, to be the customers paying for what these factories produce? Think about it for five minutes and you will understand that it is just a story calculated to goose up a share price here and there, and only for moment until it is discovered to be just a story. What interests me most is what happens when the stories lose their power to levitate the legitimacy of the people who tell them.

            Well, Christine LeGarde, chief of the IMF, tried to read the riot act to the American clownigarchs over the weekend, but they’re not paying attention to her. What has she done for her own country, France, lately anyhow. They’ve got their own set of rackets running over there. The Chinese are getting a little prickly, too, since they are sitting on a few trillion in US promises to pay cash money in the not so distant future. The Chinese are beginning to apprehend that future perhaps never arriving.

     In case you haven’t heard: America is “in recovery.” We can play all the games we want with money, or what passes for money these days. And then the moment will come when we can’t. That moment begins to feel creepily close.

About James Howard Kunstler

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. progress4what October 19, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    “…the dropdown box does not contain an option titled Copy Link Location. It does contain an option titled Copy Shortcut…”
    ….Q….

    Thus do we discover that there are differences in Mozilla Firefox and Internet explorer, and that Q is running IE.

    “A body in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted on by an outside force.”
    ….Sir Isaac Rubicon….

    Thus do we discover that there are differences between Newtonian Physics and population biology, and that Rube-I-Con is running NP.

    OK – don’t take offense, that’s supposed to be something like funny.

    And I’d never noticed the triple meaning of your handle; the river, the Rube, and the “I con.”

    And enjoy the pig. Who conned it into gutting itself and jumping into that pit? hah!

  2. Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    The whole village was Baltimore, Ireland was taken by Muslim slavers. It was common in the 1700′s to hear the chanting from their ships off in the fog. Sound carries well over water. The total number of Europeans enslaved runs into the millions – larger than the American Negro Slave trade. Attention from Academia? Zero. And zero to the virtual White Slavery that existed in colonial America.

    http://www.amren.com/features/2013/10/is-the-west-guilty/

  3. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    What do you know about the “Succubus”?

  4. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Here’s the link for you to send in your prayer requests to pray for unlimited fossil fuels and the return to the 1950s halcyon days of “Happy Motoring”, discharge of your student loans, and whatever other unrealistic bullshit that comes to mind.

    https://www.ernestangley.org/prayer

  5. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    Remember:

    Please use English when submitting your prayer request.

    God only speaks English.

    Thank you.

  6. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    In response to the US threat to default on interest payments on US Treasury Bonds, the foreigners are now threatening to suspend shipments of Blue Rubber Gloves to the U.S.

    “It’s O.K. to Touch It ’cause I got on my Blue Rubba Glubs!”

  7. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Jewish people probably have certain cultural values that are propitious for accumulating wealth. As a minority group, this probably made Jewish people an inviting convenient target in the ancient world for dominant groups like the Egyptians or Romans who’d come and steal their money?

    I suspect that over time Jewish people probably eventually figured out that rather than playing the victim of robbery that it’s better to assume the role of the Banker and “lend” the money to the crazy foreigners and charge interest on the “loan”, which the dominant foreigners could then collect by allowing Jewish people to do business in their empires and/or by stealing from other non-Jewish peoples?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

      You never commented on the story of Joseph who had the Egyptians sell themselves into slavery so they could eat their own grain. Are you one yourself perhaps?

      The whole West has gone down over this very issue. The Muslims never allowed them near their finances. If we had only been so wise. But “our” leaders conspired with them so the fault is ours first and foremost. No doubt they were cut in for a generous stake.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 12:48 am #

      Oh, you mean usury? Yeah, I’m sure they figured that 1 out *LONG* ago…

      • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 1:16 am #

        ““lend” the money to the crazy foreigners and charge interest on the “loan”,”

        OOpz, forgot that preface quote…

        And don’t get me wrong, it certainly whuz Jews milkin’ usury fees – but I’m not one to hold that infernal, eternal, racist *grudge*… It could just as easily be JPM, Chase, Citi, BofA, Deutsche BanCorp, etc… BTW, how many losses they *STILL* holding off books?!… GAAP, *INDEED*!!!

  8. Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    The Elephant in the room talks about the Oliphant in the room.

    http://clashdaily.com/2013/10/ate-baby-chicago-teachers-unionthis-city-belongs-black-people-white-people/

  9. Pucker October 19, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

    Janos asked: “Are you one yourself perhaps?”

    Answer: No…..

    Did you hear about the Underwear Bomber who rigged it so that it’d go off when he shit in his pants?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 3:54 am #

      You are getting increasingly bizarre and risqué even I might add. Look whose talking! Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Nevertheless, as one black to another, do you eat with those fingers?

  10. Deblonay October 20, 2013 at 3:59 am #

    The Events in Baltimore Ireland in the 1600ies
    _____________________
    from Wikipedia
    a more complicated event than one would imagine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Baltimore

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

      You quibble while Baltimore burns. The Blackamours have now taken Baltimore, Maryland.

  11. ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 4:05 am #

    SRSLY, stumbed over this *doozie*!!!

    youtube.com/watch?v=5JDUeecZehA

    *EMBEDDED*!!!

    • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 5:24 am #

      Did NE-1 srsly think we could clearcut the *AMAZON*, without consequences? (Apparently, *THEY* did)

      • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 5:28 am #

        Same ol’, same ol’ – I membaz that argument back in the early 80′s. Same ol’ – clearcut the forest, silt the rivers, concrete the land. Apparently that *WHUZN’T* an obvious enough *CLUE*…

        • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2013 at 5:39 am #

          Definitely worth a ban (douche responds to himself 4 times) – but wait! Just think about it for a moment – if we still had forests, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere wouldn’t be growing exponentially beyond 400PPM… It’d be well under control of *THE FORESTS*…

          Unfortunately, we cut all those forests down, already (google amazon basin, and hope the images aren’t 4 years old). So it’s *NOT* peak oil that’s our demise (as global warming is directly tied into CO2 PPM)…

  12. BackRowHeckler October 20, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    So called ‘Millennials’ are the hope of the future? At the vanguard of the revolution? We had a sampling of these millennials up this weekend, from Manhattan, mostly, for a weekend in the country, looking at Fall Foliage and all that, a niece, some of her friends, from Paris and Spain, step daughter, some fiends of hers, including a coupla of young dudes who seemed kind of effeminate, a whole slew of them and their I pods and laptops. So i volunteer to make a sort of communal breakfast, cheese omelets, bacon, French Toast (which got a big laugh from the Frenchies.) Wait, there’s a problem. The coffee? Where is it from? Is it certified picked by fairly treated pickers, like at Starbucks? Why is it in a can and not a bag? I don’t know, this is what I have here in the cupboard. And the chickens that laid these eggs? Were they free range? Were they well treated? Are these eggs organic? What’s the expiration date on them. The cheese was problematic too in that it was sliced American Cheese from the Deli Dept. What the hell kind of cheese is that one of them asked? And forget about the bacon. One young bud couldn’t be in the same room where bacon was being consumed, the same house, the same street, the same Universe.

    That pretty much ended our cozy homecooked breakfast. The upshot is that they piled into two cars and drove to the Starbucks in Town. Jim, If you are looking for some sort of revolution with these kids out front I think you are in for a disappointment. These are highly evolved, refined human beings who need everything just right. Otherwise its nogo!

    –BRH

  13. Q. Shtik October 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    “tin yot pinultee; please set the game clock ta fo oh nahn” – Jets/Pats game referee

  14. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    “So called ‘Millennials’ are the hope of the future? At the vanguard of the revolution?” BackRowHeckler

    I loved your observation BRH. As a millennial I find myself looking at my own generation as well as my complacent elders in the same manner you’ve described. However, I’m probably a bit harder on the older generations than is polite to mention. Petty gripes aside, I would agree with many who recognize that IF the Millennials are to be the backbone and the Boomers the mind of a revolution which shows no sign of occurrence, then we are in fact creepily close to nothing but species extinction.

    Although, I’d like to ask JHK’s permission to submit this video link for you and ‘Zone (Howdy,man!!) to ponder; the rest of the oft banned and relentlessly desperate to reappear Trolls can continue steeping in their own incurable narcissism. I’m not really here for forum participation per se. Anyhow, the vid from philosopher Slavoj Zizek, probably seen on CFN before, describes the new form of Cultural Capitalism, which I think is what you’re noticing from today’s “conscientious consumers”, BRH. Starbucks as an example of the phony altruism you observed during your weekend is reflected in the vid.



    I’m not sure what this says about an entire generation, whether they’ve simply become effeminate, atrophied ninnies, or simply that Western culture is so well indoctrinated into the efficient market system that the mythology of choice has reached its final utopia – where WE won’t notice we’ve truly fucked ourselves and over used everything via technology til the last moment. That is, None of the so called revolutionary local food or global commerce practices we’re witnessing today are making us more resilient in the long run, just adding fruitless complexity. ADR has recently produced a great series demonstrating that idea. You know, good intentions and all?

    What I am sure of is that in the event of a collapse, millenials like me, fit and intellectually self-sufficient, will triage the environment; that is, we will be forced to allow the redundant mass, no matter the generation, to fall by the wayside as we concentrate our labors on the center mass that hasn’t fallen into general apathy. Be a fat old man with a lot of “wisdom” or a pusillanimous youth faint of heart, and either one will be of little use in hard fought survival. So I imagine.

    -UFIA

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm #

      It may be the result of fluoride and plastics in the water – weakening the will and lowering the IQ and sperm count. These chemical eunuchs are then subjected to years of conditioning by female teachers and the mass media. It’s a wonder they aren’t worse than they are.

      • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

        So what’s the excuse for you? Just naturally stupid, I’ve noticed.

        -UFIA

        • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

          More civic consciousness from our nasty “liberals”. You and your kind never deserved freedom and you have done your utmost to destroy it for others.

    • BackRowHeckler October 20, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

      Unstoppable! You’re a millennial? For a youngster you come across as a pretty substantial dude with not a little insight. Now I’ll have to rethink my previous post.

      BRH

    • ozone October 20, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

      UFIA,
      It appears someone doesn’t think your thoughts or opinions are worthy of anything other than dismissal, but that would be typical. Who could it be now?

      On to cases:
      “What I am sure of is that in the event of a collapse, millenials like me, fit and intellectually self-sufficient, will triage the environment; that is, we will be forced to allow the redundant mass, no matter the generation, to fall by the wayside as we concentrate our labors on the center mass that hasn’t fallen into general apathy. Be a fat old man with a lot of “wisdom” or a pusillanimous youth faint of heart, and either one will be of little use in hard fought survival. So I imagine.”

      This is more than an imagining, it’s a solid foundation of a plan.
      If it comes to desperate times, triage is the only reasonable way forward. Beware of entrenched hierarchies that [strangely enough] benefit only those in charge.
      Useful, smart and able-bodied? Let’s go get busy.
      Useless, stupid and physically dependent? Stay where you’re at and fight it out with the other boneheads.

      (Older folks of real wisdom know the roots of that wisdom firsthand, by doing the hard work that puts theory into real-world practice. These people are rarely sedentary, and always keep a sharpened curiosity about not only their own field of expertise, but many others as well. Believe me, they’re not hard to spot. Unless their expertise is in political science, eugenics or state/economic religion, some might actually prove “useful”.)

      Me? I could be bypassed, as I don’t think I know anything so specific that a thousand others don’t know it too. (I could probably tell you how to cobble together a septic system off the top of my head, but so can a lot of others in the construction trades. Meh.)

      So… good luck! :)
      *I’ll watch that vid tomorrow; thanks.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

        Yes, his (your) view of the world is a sick and crabbed one to use the old Southern term for how they viewed Yankees. And no, if we ever get a Nation of our own we wont allow the sickness of Liberalism to ever rise again. And you all feel the same way about us. But here’s the difference: we Want to separate from you all and y’all wont let us go.

  15. Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

    Remember the Alamo! Gun Owners rally for their rights at the Alamo yesterday – and the Mighty Dead silently applaud. Liberty is always unfinished business.

    http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-rallies-at-the-alamo-with-gun-owners-for-open-carry/

  16. Pucker October 20, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

    [Scene from the movie "Deliverance"]. City Slickers, Ned and Bobby, the beneficiaries of urban Capitalism and complexity, take a break from canoeing on the riverbank and encounter the post-Collapse redneck mountain men.]

    Ned: “What is it that you Gentlemen require?”

    Mountain man: “We require you to git your ass up inta dem God-Damn woods!”

    Ned: “Is this about money?”

    Mountain man: “Oh we’ll take your money.”

  17. progress4what October 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    Nice post about the Millennials, BRH. Funny stuff!

    And a nice rejoinder by UFIA, too. Good stuff. I haven’t watched the video yet, I’ll give it a shot after a while. I expect one difference in younger vs. older generations is reduced ability to process text and increased ability to multi-task and process video. I can tear through a transcript of a 10 minute video in a couple of minutes. But I digress.

    I would like to quibble over this: ” Be a fat old man with a lot of “wisdom” or a pusillanimous youth faint of heart, and either one will be of little use…” ufia

    I agree that the pusillanimous will be of no use, regardless of age. As far as a “fat old man with a lot of wisdom,” that’s outside my field of encounters – because all of the wise old men I’ve ever known have been pretty thin. I expect the fat ones die young (Buddha? how old was he?) or else they are wise enough not to ever get fat.

    The last old man of my extended family was my father-in-law, who passed away about a year ago, now. Great guy, but with more social and managerial skills than hard-core survival skills. Nevertheless, I would have sacrificed a LOT to keep him in food and shelter, should a SHTF event occurred during his lifetime. He always had a positive impact on the family, just by being around.

    And that’s got to be part of your definition of wisdom, I hope.

  18. Pucker October 20, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    [Re-make of the movie "Deliverance" for the 21st Century Collapse.]

    [Ned and Bobby dis-embark from their canoe on the riverbank to enjoy a cup of bullshit STARBUCKS COFFEE when they encounter the mountain men.]

    Mountain Man: “What da Hell duya think you’re do’n?!”

    Ned: “We’re take’n a canoe trip down to Aintry.”

    Mountain Man: “Aintry?!”

    Bobby: “Yeah Captain….This River only goes one way. Or haven’t you heard?”

    Mountain Man: “This River don’t go da Aintry. Dis River don’t go anywhere near Aintry. See uh….You done made da wrong turn.”

    Bobby nervously: “Well…this River must come out somewhere. That’s where we’re go’n…somewhere…..”

    Mountain Man: “You Boys sure is lost, ain’t ya?”

  19. progress4what October 20, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    Janos – that Baltimore information was new information to me, thanks!

    Of course, as the wiki entry about it showed, reality was a little more nuanced than AmRen implied.

    Nevertheless, the story should be told – to get the word out that the world has always been a pretty brutal place, and that slavery is by NO MEANS an always white-against-black phenomenon.

    I don’t know why that AmRen writer had to postulate a vast Jewish Conspiracy in the last few paragraphs. Not only did it not fit with the rest of the article, but it would lead almost anyone who was not of the AmRen “uberfaithful?” to negate the whole article, even the whole concept of White Slavery.

    Which is too bad.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

      Well remember, the title of the article was “Is the West guilty”. He used the facts of invasion and slavery to show that we have been more sinned against than sinning – or at least equally so. Yes it was an awkward and abrupt shift in the article but still a valid if limited approach.

      Many people point to the Frankfurt School as having had a key role in making us the bad guys in the human drama – even to ourselves. And yes, they were European Jews who were offered refuge here. Because of people like this, White Americans are now just considered Nazis waiting to happen – even though we defeated their enemies in Central Europe for them. And this is the kind of gratitude we can expect in the future as well.

      Jews played a huge role in the Atlantic Slave Trade. But that has been hidden has it not?

      When the Conquistadors reconquered Spain, they felt they were fighting both the Muslims and the Jews. Why? Because that’s how Spain had been conquered centuries before: Muslim soldiers would take a City and then a Jewish garrison would hold and administer it for them. In some Cities, it is said that the Jews opened the gates to the Muslims.

  20. Arn Varnold October 20, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    Nevertheless, the story should be told – to get the word out that the world has always been a pretty brutal place, and that slavery is by NO MEANS an always white-against-black phenomenon.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This is not new knowledge. It’s called history.
    You know; those who don’t know, oh never mind…

    • progress4what October 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

      Yeah, arn, I know it’s history, you know it’s history – -

      But you ask the average inner city gang-banger (or cosseted college trained millennial) who is responsible for “SLAVERY,” – and report back with your findings.

      • Arn Varnold October 20, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

        Education in America is an oxymoron.
        One is/must be responsible for one’s education. To rely on other is perilous at best.
        And, what do you know about inner city gang-bangers?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

      Oh Really? Then why has Academia never picked it up? Why have they taught generations of students that Whites are “the cancer of humanity”? Why no coverage of the brutal indentured servitude system in colonial America? Why no mention of the very large Jewish aspect of the slave trade? And why no concern about slavery in Africa Today? Because there are no Whites to blame perhaps? And in the case of indentured servitude, it was “just” Whites exploiting other Whites.

  21. progress4what October 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    From the wiki:
    “The villagers were put in irons and taken to a life of slavery in North Africa. Some prisoners were destined to live out their days as galley slaves, while others would spend long years in the seclusion of the Sultan’s harem or within the walls of the Sultan’s palace as laborers. At most three of them ever saw Ireland again.[2] One was ransomed almost at once and two others in 1646. Since several others are known to have been still alive in 1646 why they were not ransomed is unclear: it has been argued that Algerians, on the whole, treated household slaves kindly enough, and that after fifteen years some may simply have preferred to remain where they were.[3]”

    “Algerians, on the whole, treated household slaves kindly enough,”

    Revisionist history.

    You ever hear that “African slaves in the Americas were treated kindly enough,” recently?

  22. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 21, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    “I haven’t watched the video yet, I’ll give it a shot after a while. I expect one difference in younger vs. older generations is reduced ability to process text and increased ability to multi-task and process video. I can tear through a transcript of a 10 minute video in a couple of minutes.”

    I don’t know what to make of any of the above assertions. First, I would only agree that many of the older generation are terrific text transcribers and minimally adept collators of data. My sense is that preceding generations who held sedentary office positions were barely required to be competent and efficient typists, simply due to the during their peak work years, and employers were forced to cultivate these generic skill sets to suit their purposes.

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject October 21, 2013 at 3:33 am #

      Well that was strange. My post submitted automatically for some reason. Correction of my reply to another comment:

      I would only agree that many of the older generation are terrific text transcribers and minimally adept collators of data.My sense is that preceding generations, especially members who held sedentary office positions, were mostly only required to be competent, efficient typists, simply due to the limited access to multi-modal tech during their generation’s peak work years. As such, employers were forced to cultivate those generic secretary-like skill sets to suit the elite’s basic information transfer purposes. These skills never fully equated to strengths in critical thought or the ability to truly perform deep readings. That’s always been the province of an insatiably hungry few. Instead, most office-working people became only proficient fact-collectors and lost the capacity to distinguish facts from ideas, or, at least, to understand that facts grow from ideas, not the other way around. To not understand an underlying idea is to be easily blinded my misleading facts. See ANY of janoS’ notions about religion, history, or race.

      Simply, I’ve found out that most people today, no matter their age, cannot provide any example of a natural idea without drowning their expression in abstract, inductive logic. As a result, we can trace the evolution of this country’s intellectual economy from a Marketplace of Ideas into an Idea Marketplace; wherefore, natural concepts were dumbed down, packaged and sold to non-thinking idea consumers, who at best only learned to collect the facts they could easily parse, which ultimately only ever suits narrow self-interest. Thus the reason why you’re likely not as adept at tearing apart text as you claim is because you were likely barely ever required. In fact, I suspect you don’t even have the needed bandwidth to watch the video, let alone the discipline to really discern or research the ideas presented therein. The transcript would do ya no good, buddy.

      If that’s not a gross enough over-generalization for ya, I can even put an arbitrary start date on this evolution into an Idea Marketplace – post WWI. Yes, we might agree, the “facts” back it up, that every generation since then has fallen just another rung down the intellectual ladder, as technology advanced and human wit became obsolete. Recent generational educational status reports proclaim that the latest bunch of American idiots is the dumbest ever. But there is no accounting for the autodidacts hiding among us. And I’m not talking about the public geniuses out to drastically change the world with their brilliance. I’m talking about the ones who don’t really care about proving their smarts all that much or saving the world. Let’s not shit each other, Frog, neither of us have an interest in a real debate on the matter. We’re only here for our own selfish interests, not to truly figure shit out for the younger generations.

      -UFIA

  23. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 2:42 am #

    Do Young Uns today watch a lot of p,orn on the Internet?

  24. Pucker October 21, 2013 at 2:44 am #

    In his final interview, Ted Bundy said that he was deeply influenced by p,ornog,raphy as a child.

  25. progress4what October 21, 2013 at 9:00 am #

    UFIA-
    You have a bizarre belief that insulting a thing, idea, or person is the same as negating and disproving that thing, idea, or person.

    You might want to examine your use of “logic,” in this regard.

    Thanks for posting that RSAnimate YouTube. There is a whole series of them, and they all look to be worth a look. I like the blending of voice, text, and graphics with relatively unique perspectives.

  26. progress4what October 21, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    And I know more about gang-bangers than you might suspect. Many of them are OK individuals, one-on-one, and on some kind of neutral turf.
    On their home turf and in a group, however, they can be a menace.

    • Arn Varnold October 21, 2013 at 9:35 am #

      Not knowing you, I’ll not take your word on that.
      But your following comment reflects my experience.
      The utter bullshit here drowns out reasonable and experiential real world relationships.
      Pity, no?

      • Arn Varnold October 21, 2013 at 9:41 am #

        The utter difficulty of following a cogent conversation, post by post, is making it impossible to have an easy conversation here.
        You didn’t attribute to me, so, I had to go the extra step of reflection.
        Not a problem in and of itself, but not a smooth process all in all…

  27. progress4what October 21, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    “can be,” hell. They ARE a menace. This is well documented.

  28. progress4what October 21, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    And my riff on boomers/millennials and their approaches to text/video was supposed to be a slightly humorous extrapolation of my own personal observations.

    Of course, the same can be said of your insulting attack on a whole generation of office workers.

    Choose happiness when you can, man.

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