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The sanctuary city movement, and all its baggage, terminates in one troublesome idea: that the USA should have open borders and that anyone from a foreign land who manages to get here by whatever means is home-free-all. The most recent Democratic nominee for president said just the other day that she dreamed of open borders. The much-abused word dream has been at the center of our discourse about immigration, a purposefully sentimental manipulation of language for a culture struggling to ascertain the boundaries of reality in an era of universal wishful thinking.

Anyone who listens to National Public Radio, for instance, may notice the care they take to keep the boundary as fuzzy as possible vis-à-vis the status of people here from other lands. “Undocumented” has been the favorite trope, a dodge that implies that the people in question are victims of a clerical error — someone over in the Document Division forgot to hand them the right paperwork. Or else they are all simply labeled “immigrants,” leaving out the question of whether they are in the country legally or not. Do not suppose it is mere sloppiness.

Lately, there is the matter of census-takers asking the people they interview — theoretically everybody who resides in the US — whether they are citizens or not. It would seem to be within the legitimate interests of demographic statisticians to ask that question, but it has ignited a firestorm of opposition. All manner of casuistry has been applied by that opposition to rationalize why we wouldn’t want to know whether people here are citizens or not. It all seems to come down to a cynical political calculation that the voter rolls can be eventually padded in favor of the Democratic Party (of which I remain an unhappy registered member, in order to vote in the New York state primary election).

The sanctuary city movement seems to me the most mendacious element of the story, a nakedly emotional appeal against the rule of law. The attorney general of California, Xavier Becerra, lately threatened to fine corporations there that share employee information with federal agents. There has not been such arrant flouting of federal law by state officials since Governor George Wallace stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama crying “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” in June, 1963 — and we all know how that ended.

I’m among those who would like to see the immigration laws honestly enforced. In fact, I would also like to see the 1965 immigration law reformed to admit far fewer people from any land into this country. We have economic and cultural interests to protect, and they would seem to be self-evident.

So why has there been no move by the federal authorities to impose sovereign federal law over figures like Mr. Becerra, or Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf, who went through the barrio there Paul Revere style warning that the ICE agents were coming? Well, one big reason is the marijuana situation. Nine states have legalized cannabis for recreational use (i.e. for getting high), and 29 have legalized it for medical purposes. This includes all of the states on the “Left Coast.” All of them are flouting federal law in doing that. But imagine the political uproar if the feds tried to step in at this point and quash the cannabis trade. In the early adapters, like Colorado, California, and Washington State, the trade has blossomed into multi-million dollar corporate enterprise, with significant tax revenue.

So, much as I object to the dishonest practices around immigration, I don’t see how the federal government can take principled action against them without first addressing its attitude to the marijuana situation. Of course, that could be easily disposed of by congress adopting a simple law to the effect that the cultivation and sale of cannabis shall be regulated by the states. The craven members of congress apparently don’t even dare to raise the issue of resolving this conundrum, and the thought may have never even entered the mighty golden brain-pan of our president — not to mention The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, Fox-News, or any of the other media organs of public debate. Well, maybe the time has come for that discussion.


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  1. daytrip April 6, 2018 at 9:46 am #

    Shine on you crazy diamond

    • Lawfish April 6, 2018 at 9:49 am #

      “The craven members of congress apparently don’t even dare to raise the issue of resolving this conundrum, and the thought may have never even entered the mighty golden brain-pan of our president”

      This is the president who came out in favor of the death penalty for drug dealers. Don’t hold your breath for the Golden Golem of Greatness to come around on this issue.

      • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 10:36 am #

        The logic of his statement is that we kill people who murder people directly, but turn a blind eye to people who poison and kill people by the thousands. They are pardoning drug dealers in California. It is time we get serious about slowing the drug trade, because we are losing the war.

        • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 11:14 am #

          “The logic of his statement is that we kill people who murder people directly, but turn a blind eye to people who poison and kill people by the thousands.”

          Tobacco companies do that too. But they’re just treated as normal businesses that pay taxes.

          • Anon1970 April 6, 2018 at 11:40 am #

            So do suppliers of booze. We tried banning demon rum but that just drove up the demand for bath tub gin, increased the murder rate in Chicago and elsewhere and increased political corruption.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 11:57 am #

            Exactly. Prohibition doesn’t work.

            I’m not going to go the whole hog and advocate legalisation and regulation of everything (although they’ve done it in Portugal and the sky hasn’t fallen in) but legalisation of cannabis seems like a no-brainer.

            Over here it’s still technically illegal but de facto it’s not, as the police have more important things to worry about. Using it anyway – I don’t know about dealing.

            And cigarettes are so highly taxed in the UK that it’s been demonstrated that the tax more than pays for the costs to the healthcare system of treating the smokers. So if they want to risk killing themselves, that’s up to them, but it would be nice if they’d do it away from their kids.

            Also, re alcohol, it’s perfectly possible to drink very moderately and be unlikely to suffer any ill effects. That’s not the case with heroin.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:18 am #

      Wish you were here.

      • goat1001 April 6, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

        “Mother should I build the wall?
        Mother should I run for president?
        Mother should I trust the government?”

    • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:34 am #

      Yes shine on, but I hope the sparkle returns next week because this week making imaginary connections between totally unrelated and complex issues makes for some dullness. That’s the real head scratcher this week, the conundrum of trying to make a conundrum where none exists.

      • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 1:41 pm #

        I had to come back and say that while the connection is weak I do feel JHK’s angst in a nation that decides that respect for the rule of law is anything they want to make it to be.

        From that point of view law prohibiting the grow and sale of cannabis was a huge mistake form day one (The Marihuana Tax Act of 1937), but Harry Anslinger and his boys needed jobs. It was the end of prohibition so respect for what the law was and should be was kicked to the curb to benefit a few racist and ignorant men.

        Consequences for their selfish ignorant stupidity now haunt us 80 years later.

        • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:09 pm #

          “From that point of view law prohibiting the grow and sale of cannabis was a huge mistake form day one (The Marihuana Tax Act of 1937), but Harry Anslinger and his boys needed jobs. It was the end of prohibition so respect for what the law was and should be was kicked to the curb to benefit a few racist and ignorant men.

          Consequences for their selfish ignorant stupidity now haunt us 80 years later.” – K-Dog

          So much of the War on Drugs is a War on Black People

          • elysianfield April 8, 2018 at 10:53 am #

            So much of the War on Drugs is a War on Black People ”

            d,
            No more than the war upon looting and illegitimacy….

      • elysianfield April 8, 2018 at 10:50 am #

        “make a conundrum where none exists.”

        Dog,
        Conundrum? Never use them, it spoils the spontaneity….

  2. robert magill April 6, 2018 at 9:50 am #

    ” It all seems to come down to a cynical political calculation that the voter rolls can be eventually padded in favor of the Democratic Party (of which I remain an unhappy registered member, in order to vote in the New York state primary election).”

    An issue falling off the radar lately is the benefit to these states of not recognizing nor giving any legal status to the millions of illegals we employ to do our dirty work.  It serves the employers and their elected representatives to not have any legal responsibility for the migrants regarding working conditions, living conditions, health, ad nauseam. Modern day paperless indentured servitude at work.

    • noel bodie April 6, 2018 at 11:09 am #

      Yes, if one appreciates a cheap restaurant experience then thank an “undocumented” er, uhm how about “wetback” is that preferable? What is always missing from the immigration conversation is the REASON for it. I have known a woman from Honduras who made the journey here TWICE to reach a better life for her and her family…this while the arch right winger, Elliot Abrams was the owner of a vast cattle ranch in Hon. and who was Reagan’s point man in Central America…(she now happily residing in Canada) I have sat across a table from two Salvadorans who were tortured by the right wing Yankee supported gov’t in El Salvadore in the 80’s no doubt vicitims of our handy work in the School of the Americas. Until the social and economic conditions we have unleashed in C A are corrected we will have “wetbacks”. As JHK established in TLE Mexico was exporting 3 mil barrels of oil here each day from Canterell instead of using that energy to create an economy that would support its population. One party rule(oligarchs) for over 80 years. Ask yourself HOW DESPERATE WOULD YOU NEED TO BE TO LEAVE YOUR HOME,FAMILY FRIENDS TO RISK AN UNLAWFUL LIFE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY?

      • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 12:58 pm #

        The problem is where does the polity of the USA draw the line. If we allow all the poor into the US as the Great Benefactor, we would have billions of people here. So looking at it from the poor’s perspective is not the whole story. And number two, if we let all the unfortunates enter the US, who is going to pay for them. The idea that they take no resources for support is wrong. For example, because it is a good one, California’s homeless situation is growing rapidly as people are pulling a John Steinbeck and moving to the land of warm opportunity which it is not. The attitude of California’s government is lunacy, as evidenced by the intrastate civil war that is brewing.

        Jesus answered the politicians of his time when they questioned the use of ointments used for him by one of the women of his group. They asked him why waste the “capital” of that, you could give the money to the poor. His answer was, there will always be poor with us, but I will be with you for only a short time. He promoted support of the poor, but not their elimination. In today’s language, there will always be a spectrum of wealth in society. Jesus taught that we need to be satisfied with our lot and be as good as we can be.

        This society is a powerful uplifter of people providing opportunity. That is why people die to come here. If we allow either the elite or too many indigents to destroy the ability to provide opportunity, this will come to a screeching halt. Which is exactly what Soros, Rockefeller et al want. The really scary pert is, if they were to get their way, what do they get out of it. If anyone thinks they are being altruistic, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.

        • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 8:24 pm #

          Great point John, Jesus did advise all of us to care for the poor but did not ever suggest that we attempt to eliminate their lot for this could never be achieved.

          As far as the wealthy elite is concerned, they would love to bring us all down to the level of destitute poverty for then we would be far easier to control and would be far less likely to compete with them for power or resources. Those that are in these positions are there because they or their forefathers were able to eliminate their competition and establish monopolies in the fields that they controlled. What they fear, is that enough of us might wake up and realize how greedy they are, how much they have manipulated the systems, and that we might even try to level the playing fields to allow for competition in their enterprises. They do not tolerate this mentality and will do anything they can to neutralize us all.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm #

        No, they’re bringing their country with them. In other words, they’re colonists not immigrants and as thus, a deadly danger to us, even as we were to the American Indians.

        In no possible sense, are they Globalists or Leftists who don’t believe in countries to begin with like the average NPR listener/zombie.

        • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 7:27 am #

          Quit blaming others.

          You are the danger to yourself.

  3. thenuttyneutron April 6, 2018 at 9:53 am #

    There is a good 10th Amendment argument in favor of declaring Federal cannabis prohibition as being illegal as long as the drug is not produced and shipped across state lines.

    Immigration law is clearly in the wheel house of the fedreal government.

    You mentioned Alabama in the civil rights movement. These states pushing to regulate gun laws and immigration have no legal standing. My gun rights are both protected by the 2nd and 14th Amendments. If they make a 10th Amendment argument for cannabis, and push beyond, they are clearly in the wrong. You can’t have it both ways.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:24 am #

      Laws are always and everywhere merely a means to an end. They can be enforced vigorously, ignored entirely, interpreted and reinterpreted, and scrapped and rewritten endlessly from now until the end of time. And having it both ways is the most basic and cherished right of the ruling class, far more clearly established and engrained into law than the constitution itself. You might well say it’s ingrained in humans’ very DNA.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm #

        Quite so. The Left had no problem federalizing the National Guard but now it’s a matter of “state’s rights”. When did they ever believe in state’s rights? Life without Principle, but that’s how they win. They believe in Power that for sure.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:11 pm #

        Good gravy for the lawyers, who constitute most relatives. I ALWAYS get a kick out of their Relativism.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 9:20 pm #

          As Christ said, Woe unto you Lawyers and Pharisees.

          • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:41 pm #

            You now quoting Christ as your authority. You have FINALLY made a positive move to improve yourself.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 1:35 am #

            And the quote is against your people. You are growing, ceasing to identify with your bodily identity. That’s not easy for anyone, but almost impossible for a Jew since the social identity is so strong.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 7:59 am #

            Janos, you are wrong and wrong (again and again).

            I am sorry to find you unable to understand Christ’s simple words; and his message is so clear.

            I grow because I identify Self.

            Good luck

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 10:41 am #

      Colorado has surrounding states suing them for moving Colorado grown cannibis across the border. DO I think that these nice law abiding entrepenuers are going to respect the laws of surrounding states? Not on your life! Cannibis is a national situation because its production and use is like a spreading cancer.

      • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 11:34 am #

        John,
        Yeah, I saw this documentary once called “Reefer Madness”…it proved Marijuana will make you skitzo(sp)….

  4. par4 April 6, 2018 at 9:56 am #

    Economic and cultural interests to protect? Our “economy” has been outsourced and ‘we ain’t got no culture’.

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 1:00 pm #

      Yeah, the two seem hand in hand.

  5. RB April 6, 2018 at 10:05 am #

    Well gosh durn it, I thought the “uncivil” war of 1861/65 settled the states rights issue. Guess not.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:30 am #

      Not even close. It was mostly about who was going to own and derive profits from slave labor – corporations or wealthy landowners – and thus where the decision making would reside – centralized or local. Wealthy industrialists already had their eye on the prize – global empire – as the UK was already fading into oblivion.

      • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 11:17 am #

        Hot shit Scratch, that is brilliant! Whether it was an actual plan or it just worked out that way, it IS the way things are now. The really sad part of it all is when I think back to those days of commuting 50 or 60 miles on the highways each way at rush hour, we might even be worse off now than they were then. When you look at the screaming, angry road raging fools cutting each other off and flipping off and out while blazing down the road at 90 miles an hour, how exactly are we better off? Do the drugs, alcohol and therapy sessions make up for it all? Gotta wonder.

        • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 11:47 am #

          I know people don’t like governments in general, but sometimes they do useful things. In the UK they slapped a big fat tax on petrol from the get go. Therefore not many people have ever been tempted to drive 60 miles to work, which is madness. So, good on the governments who took all the flak for it over the years and still do. Even if their primary intention wasn’t to limit suburban sprawl.

          Maybe they just thought ‘hmmm… we didn’t have this stuff yesterday – maybe we won’t have it tomorrow, so let’s not encourage people to use it like water’.

          OK, so they just wanted the tax revenues, but good on them anyway – they performed a useful service. And farmers, who also perform a useful service, pay very little for red diesel.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 11:49 am #

            ‘Red’ so that you can’t get away with using it in your car.

          • tractorguy April 6, 2018 at 3:58 pm #

            “And farmers, who also perform a useful service, pay very little for red diesel.”

            There used to be nearly a $1.00/gal difference between on- and off-road fuel, but no more. Last week I paid $2.59 for off-road fuel, and the service stations were getting $2.89 for on-road.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 5:51 pm #

            Hi Tractorguy

            I didn’t actually know how much it cost over here – only that it’s a lot cheaper, so I’ve checked it out and done some calculations (it’s sold by the litre here).

            Red diesel is about £2.66/gallon, which is $3.75.

            Diesel for cars is £5.64/gallon, which is $7.95 (that’s the average – go to the Western Isles or anywhere off the beaten track and there’s a premium.

            Hope that makes you smile, at least when you’re filling up your car, if not your tractor 🙂 . I imagine the difference in differential is that the price over here consists massively more of tax, so there’s more margin for a giveaway.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 5:52 pm #

            So only people with money to burn or a very cheap house in the country drive 60 miles to work!

          • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm #

            The UK is a fraction of the size of the US and evolved with reasonable commuting distances built in. You make it sound like it was reformed deliberation and planning. Maybe in part but it was also tax revenue that worked without destroying the national economy. America had big geographies, even big local geographies in a relative sense long before any cars began to roam our land to connect our big distances together. When the car entered the scene it only connected what already existed but in the UK what already existed was comparatively a lot closer together.

            As it goes I suspect Red Diesel is in our future and maybe not so far away. When it comes, our distances will not have contracted.

          • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 10:10 pm #

            1. Alaska is equal to 7.05 UKs
            2. Texas is equal to 2.86 UKs
            3. California is equal to 1.74 UKs
            4. Montana is equal to 1.56 UKs
            5. New Mexico is equal to 1.29 UKs
            6. Arizona is equal to 1.21 UKs
            7. Nevada is equal to 1.17 UKs
            8. Colorado is equal to 1.11 UKs
            9. Oregon is equal to 1.04 UKs
            10. Wyoming is equal to 1.03 UKs
            11. Michigan is equal to 1.03 UKs

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 10:38 am #

            K-Dog

            “You make it sound like it was reformed deliberation and planning.”

            In fairness, I did quite openly say it wasn’t deliberately done to limit suburban sprawl, but ended up doing that anyway. Our large cities do have their own suburbias, just not quite as extensive as yours, so they’ll share some of the problems you will have when things contract – and they currently share the misery of the long (but not quite so long) commute along congested thoroughfares. I don’t envy any of them. I know that I’m lucky. I did it for a while myself when I taught in schools all over the place, albeit never as much as 60 miles.

            I’m not having a go at anyone anyway – just pointing out that pricing has an effect. An unfortunate (to my mind) proportion of UK freight is transported by road, which is partly because we don’t have the economies of scale that the US – or even France – can offer for rail freight to be a bigger part of the equation. And we pay for those high fuel costs when we buy either food or industrial products. ‘Stuff’ is cheaper over your way.

            Also, it’s not necessarily true that the economy HAS been able to absorb high energy costs. Our steel industry (now decimated) has been hampered by high energy costs compared to other countries.

            Anyway, when the Brexiters get that trade deal with the US which they are going to be grovelling for in due course, think of the advantage your farmers – and all other sectors of the economy – will have over ours in terms of their fuel costs. It won’t be a level cornfield 🙂 .

        • SpeedyBB April 6, 2018 at 11:57 am #

          Sir, I respect very much your observation and have benefited time and again from your contributions to this forum.

          I would however suggest that the ‘Barney Oldfield behind the Wheel’ experience is the very last opportunity for ‘adventure’ left to the poor souls who go blasting down public roads.

          I say that as an adventurer who as road-raced motorcycles on some of the most dangerous courses in the world, gotten indicted by Uncle for anti-Vietnam protests and done other perilous mischief (gotten away with, thus far anyway).

          People need adventure. TV and computer games will go just so far. Driving is one of the last real thrills – it’s the appeal of road movies.

          Just my two Yuan worth. (At 77 I’ve pretty much worn out my desire for danger.)

          • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 3:48 pm #

            Thank you. I get my thrills going toe to toe with corrupt government officials within their own forum, but to each his own. If you come flying up behind me on the highway someday, you will be able to tell it is me for I will pull to the side, allow you to pass and wave you on with a “Have a nice day – be careful” wish in all sincerity.

        • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:15 pm #

          I thought that all that drug and alcohol was being consumed to fuel the Trump base’s rage.

  6. Bro Jobe April 6, 2018 at 10:05 am #

    I got worried with the GGG said he’d use the Army. That’s unconstitutional. When it became the National Guard, I relaxed. Tick the “Dictatorship / Civil War 2.0 Clock” back 5 minutes from midnight, please.

    A “big beautiful wall” is stupidity. With all our drone tech and night vision gear we can have a virtual wall with physical barriers in only some sections of the border.

    But the Tweeter-in-Chief and his pals at “Fox and Fiends” are too stupid to realize they can have their wall and protect the border without pouring megatons of concrete.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:36 am #

      Concrete is tangible and symbolic, which is what most of GGG’s bluster is about in the first place. The first job of a politician is to get elected, the second job is to shovel pork to his supporters, the third job is to enhance his brand and profit personally while in office, and the final job is to grease the revolving door on his way out to reap even higher lifelong profits afterward personally, whole enabling even more of the same for his successors.

      • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 1:06 pm #

        I would like to add, the overall job of a Washington politician is to do nothing or as little ad possible and above all make no waves. Then get lots of money to go back to their district and convince enough people of all the good they have done for them to get reelected. What a racket, and we wonder how it can be so corrupted. Oh yeah, then add in the lobbyists to the mix.

        BAN THE DEEP STATE!

    • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 10:42 am #

      im against the wall but for border security. big beautiful wall is waste of money. there should be some way to integrate fencing and tech -drone or otherwise- to beef up the border. You will need more CBP agents (which trump is doing) to round people up and send em back, unless youre advocating reaper drones to fire warning shots on the mexican side of the border? janos would probably be into that lol but i dont think were at that point yet.

      The wall (actual BBW ((lol)) or techno-slim version) does nothing to stop people from coming here on visas and simply never leaving, which is the case with many illegal immigrants. Not every illegal snuck across the border, i honestly dont know if Trump realizes that.

      Regardless of the BBW debate, border security is a big issue and will become bigger in the near future as climate change and overpopulation continue to ramp up. Already happening in Europe. This fact seems to be lost in the debate. If thats trump’s true reasoning why not just say it?

    • JMR April 6, 2018 at 10:49 am #

      I hope you’re kidding about using the army on the border as being unconstitutional because using the army to protect our borders would be one of the only constitutional uses of our armed forces since the end of WWII.

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 10:52 am #

      The idea that drones et al can control the border is ludicrous. Boots on the ground and visual surveillance only will control the border. Do you listen to the opinions of the Border Patrol actually doing the work.. It is unanimous in favor of building the Wall. Why? So they can concentrate on monitoring the portions of the border where the Wall concept does not work, such as the Rio Grande river. With drones etc.The reason that so much animus is being aimed at the Wall, because using it with all the other barrier techniques will work. And what would this country do with a diminished supply of cheap labor and drugs et al. The Dark Lords of the Deep State will fight tooth and nail over the Wall.

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 10:04 pm #

        Somebody needs to make a herd of sheep cartoon where one sheep is talking about building a fence to keep foreign sheep out and the need for border wolves to do it. Mmmmmmmbbaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

    • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 11:37 am #

      “I got worried with the GGG said he’d use the Army. That’s unconstitutional”

      Bro,
      Sorry, not anymore….

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:17 pm #

      Yeah a guy in a tower with a scoped rifled every half mile could do the trick too. Once they start dying on a regular basis, they’ll stop coming. But of course we’re too sentimental to do that, or much of anything else. Thus we will continue to fall.

    • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:17 pm #

      “But the Tweeter-in-Chief and his pals at “Fox and Fiends” are too stupid to realize they can have their wall and protect the border without pouring megatons of concrete.”

      Follow the money. Trump was the ONLY developer to use concrete in his buildings in nyc.

  7. Dumbedup April 6, 2018 at 10:09 am #

    The Democratic Party would have more success and legitimacy if it tried to establish its political base among the hardworking American middle class. If they would do that it would expose Republicans as the plutocrats they have become.

    • Anon1970 April 6, 2018 at 11:53 am #

      The Republicans figured out at least two decades ago that they could not simply run on a platform of large tax cuts for the wealthy and crumbs for everyone else. So they made an unholy alliance with religious conservatives. Now it looks like Trump’s brewing trade war with the Chinese is going bite Evangelical conservative soybean farmers in the rear. They’ll get no sympathy from me.

      • noel bodie April 6, 2018 at 11:58 am #

        You are so right, i mean…correct.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:19 pm #

        “The Republicans figured out at least two decades ago that they could not simply run on a platform of large tax cuts for the wealthy and crumbs for everyone else.”

        So Trump and the Republicans PROVIDED large tax cuts for the wealthy and crumbs for everyone else.

  8. jayrome April 6, 2018 at 10:11 am #

    State regulate many things, so regulating Mary Jane has become widely accepted. Money. . . lots a money is where it is at.
    I’m baffled that the Feds haven’t imposed a tax just like on motor fuel. I always forget that DEA is a jobs program since we know how well the War on Drugs has panned out. Job security with a better pension plan than most bankrupt state pension plans seem to be.
    Remember that the DEA and ATF are hold over agencies from the Prohibition era.
    Anyway think Money and Jobs! Mostly Money.
    Oh, the National Origins Formula used prior to Hart-Cellars Act 1965 was the way to keep this country a more beautiful quilt. Canada has skills requirement for immigration, which is not a bad idea, now is it?

    • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:21 pm #

      “Money. . . lots a money is where it is at.”

      “Anyway think Money and Jobs! Mostly Money.”

      someone here has finally lifted the covers

  9. Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:17 am #

    Trenchant observations all as usual Jim, but of course all of this is part of an organized effort to dissolve the nation state in general, and the US in particular, in favor of a hybrid global capitalist military state, so belaboring any of it personally is absolutely pointless. Time to direct our efforts at getting out of the way of the worst effects of the ongoing collapse, while also learning how we can facilitate it in any way possible, in the hope that it destroys not only what the US has become already, but what it aims to become if the globalists have their way with it. Resistance, as has been said many times before, is simply futile. All hail the mighty death star as it implodes for the ages! TEOTWAWKI indeed!

    • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 10:28 am #

      I agree wholeheartedly Scratch, facilitating the collapse is the way to go. That is why I voted for Governor Pot Head for he publically stated that he was going to tax us all into the ozone and destroy the state. Honesty, even when it is evil, must be rewarded. Additionally, I really want to still be around when it all craps out because I am so offended by those that tell me that THEY will be ok, it is their children and their grandchildren that they feel dory for. Bullshit losers! You gonna get some too (I hope) because collapsing everything and then bailing out before it hits the ground and burns is murder. At least in my book. It is only fair that they reap what they have sown as well.

      • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:39 am #

        Agred Walter! I doubt that most who think they will be able to weather the storm have any idea of the magnitude of the shitstorm we’re sailing into.

      • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 11:28 am #

        Walter

        Not everyone who is ‘gonna get some’ has supported the mess in the first place. I’m ‘offended’ when I hear some young people over here blame everything on the ‘boomers’, as if we were one homogeneous mass, because many of us have opposed greed and exploitation our whole lives and benefited very little from the circus.

        If I reaped what I’ve sown I’d get a serene old age.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:21 pm #

          Yet you were for opening the borders which makes every citizen so much poorer. As if there were infinite jobs and homes. Were there no White Britons homeless or unemployed? How dare the Government even think of helping anyone else as long as that is true.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 1:36 pm #

            “Yet you were for opening the borders which makes every citizen so much poorer.”

            Do you have a quote for that? I’d be interested to see it. I’ve repeated on here on multiple occasions that I don’t support unlimited immigration, because unlimited immigration is logically a nonsense, and yet here you are again spreading calumnies, because spreading calumnies is what you do.

            The difference is that I don’t distinguish between ‘white British’ and British of any other colour. British is British.

            I am presuming, of course, that you are not referring to internal EU migration, since those migrants are mostly white people.

          • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 3:55 pm #

            If the poor immigrants that are let in are then placed on Welfare and other public assistance, then of course the country, or at least those who pay for these services are made poorer. If the Fed just prints up the cash and hands it out you may argue not poorer, but more in debt, though I do not see those two categories as not being the same.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 9:23 pm #

            British is British – nonsense. You believe in infinite refugees as some kind of bs moral imperative. Just a modern equivalent of knitting sweaters for Congolese children while Scottish children freeze.

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 5:19 am #

            Janos

            I hate to mention this, but you’re doing it again – telling me what I believe (and your Congolese cardi example is a repeat, so no marks for originality).

            My country, like yours, is a signatory to the 1951 Convention on Refugees – our obligations under international law come from that, as do yours. You can withdraw and do the thing honestly and openly – or you can whinge till kingdom come.

            In the meantime, refugees are assessed individually in terms of their claims to asylum.

            But please do not demean yourself again with lies about ‘infinite refugees’ or ‘open borders’ in relation to me. Even Rambo Jesus won’t like it and you don’t want to get his back up, because he’s the one standing at the big beautiful wall deciding who gets in, according to the doctrine. And, unfortunately for you, he’s colourblind.

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 5:47 am #

            Well I suppose it’s actually St Peter who’s standing at the Big Beautiful Wall, but he’ll tell you he’s only doing his job and obeying orders.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 8:05 am #

            He breaks out the Congolese cardi argument whenever he runs out of words (which is often), or some variation thereof.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:11 am #

            “but what isn’t needed is for us all to be the same.” – GrrenAlba

            We are all One, only different.

            Free to be you and me – Marlo Thomas album I used with schoolchildren.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 5:53 pm #

            Such treaties were made without our consent. Nor is there anything in the Constitution about foreign aid. It’s simply theft from the American People.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 6:22 am #

            Janos

            If enough of your countrymen wish to withdraw from the Refugee Convention it can be done. Then the US will be what it will be but you will be able to stop moaning about refugees. You will of course presumably have to accept that should the boot ever be on the the other foot (e.g. Americans trying to escape a totalitarian state which has them on a hit list) said Americans will not find sanctuary in other countries.

            Re foreign aid, it is very often designed to work to the benefit of the donor country.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 9:18 am #

            Or maybe it doesn’t work like that – I don’t know. Maybe you can legally withdraw from your obligations to take in refugees and still benefit from the kindness of strangers should you need to hop over the border to flee your own security services. That would be nicely ironic.

          • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 10:17 am #

            “Then the US will be what it will be but you will be able to stop moaning about refugees.
            Janos will never stop moaning about refugees, it is his scapegoat for having done so poorly with his lot.

            ==============================================
            “should you need to hop over the border to flee your own security services. That would be nicely ironic.”

            The deeper irony is that he wouldn’t accept the host’s generosity. Due both to xenophobia and the compounding effect of not even relating to non-USAdopes.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 1:44 pm #

            Foreign Aid helps America? Oh really! Don’t you mean it helps the Elite, who use America as an ATM to make predatory loans to enable them to gain influence in the 3rd World?

            One would think that a Socialist would be able to make this distinction, but then again, Marx was for all kinds of Capitalist shenanigans, such as no tariffs, because he knew it all helped bring down the Nations and thus would further the “Revolution”.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm #

            I’m not a socialist or a Marxist, Janos. That you think I am reflects your own intellectual limitations.

        • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 1:54 pm #

          Never said everyone did GreenAlba, but like Tony Bennett once said, “You lay down with pigs, you get up smelling like garbage”! I too did my part and more and am still engaged in losing combat to fight what is wrong, but swimming against the tide can still get you drowned. I have four wonderful daughters that I love dearly and that have always been a great joy. One by one they would say to me after social letdowns that it just wasn’t fair. I always and still do respond to them, “life ain’t fair honey and it never will be. Deal with it”. It is all we can do.

        • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:24 pm #

          “because many of us have opposed greed and exploitation our whole lives and benefited very little from the circus.

          If I reaped what I’ve sown I’d get a serene old age.”

          Same happened to the Hippies. I believe it is your attitude towards money that has kept it at a distance.

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 5:28 am #

            I’ve never been a hippie, Dannyboy, just lived a normal, simple life (since when were teaching and working in medical publishing hippie pursuits?) and not looked for more than I needed to look after my family. I’m a believer in ‘enough’.

            Now that the kids are gone, the mortgage is paid off, and I have enough money in the bank to travel if I want to, I do it as little as possible because my conscience won’t let me dump tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere that poor people somewhere else will pay the price of before me. Such is life, but I have no complaints. There are beautiful places not that far from me (and (Europe’s only a train ride away) and I don’t discount a one-off visit to my daughter on the other side of the world. I’m not called to sainthood just the same, but I’m conscious of the effects of what I do.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 8:08 am #

            The hippie was me. Just finished ingesting the entire genre of memoir of those times.

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 8:11 am #

            And it takes all sorts to make a world. I leave the go-getting to the go-getters. They’re needed too, but what isn’t needed is for us all to be the same.

            You do good in your way and I try to do good (and especially not to do harm) in my way. 🙂

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 8:16 am #

            Ah… the Hippie thing was more over your way than over here. Over here it was but a pale copy and where I grew up, in the north of England, we were always years behind… So we settled for bell bottoms, bangles and beads, but got normal jobs.

            The Beatles, on the other coast, did what they could to bring the north into the picture though. But then they went off to look for Eastern mysticism because ‘real life’ is always somewhere else. Allegedly.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:04 am #

            “Ah… the Hippie thing was more over your way than over here. Over here it was but a pale copy and where I grew up, in the north of England, we were always years behind…” – GreenAlba

            The DIGGERS in U.K. were the model for us in U.S.

            ===============================================

            The Beatles, on the other coast, did what they could to bring the north into the picture though. But then they went off to look for Eastern mysticism because ‘real life’ is always somewhere else. Allegedly.

            I did what the Beatles did 2 years later. Life is here, they missed that point at the time, but caught on later.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:10 am #

            dannyboy
            April 7, 2018 at 9:11 am #
            “but what isn’t needed is for us all to be the same.” – GrrenAlba

            We are all One, only different.

            Free to be you and me – Marlo Thomas album I used with schoolchildren.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 5:56 pm #

            Danny lives on Sesame Street! Yoko destroyed the Beatles. She talks Green and invests in lumber companies that destroy tropical forests. An evil woman.

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 11:00 am #

      Right on! The US became wealthy due to localized Main Street economies. Globalization will just steal our wealth. Corporate America is becoming international and as such, does not care what happens here. When the collapse comes, WMBH forces will take over. People dedicated to globalization will be in dire straits as they look for any one that cares about them. This really applies to the Deep State.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:23 pm #

        Whites create peaceful and prosperous societies. Most other peoples don’t. Therefore they should be kept out for all kinds of reasons, as there are many kinds of wealth.

  10. Phutatorius April 6, 2018 at 10:19 am #

    I suppose that another problem with open borders, which you didn’t discuss, was the effect of our accepting all comers on population growth here in the US and worldwide. Even as our environmental problems compound, and important species approach extinction we keep refusing to discuss limits to growth.

    • malthuss April 6, 2018 at 10:34 am #

      JHKs whole point is looking at limits and carrying capacity.
      JHK has been much too ‘soft’ on immigration.
      Every 12 years, the population of humans increases by a billion.

      A billion.

      Most are oblivious to this.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

        Quite so. It’s time to arm the Camp of the Saints – and let the World die. We’ll be lucky to come thru ourselves. There’s no hope for Africa or much of Latin America and Asia. Bringing their masses here just dooms us. It’s not like they’ll have any gratitude. People often hate those who help them because it makes them feel so small. In terms of intercultural helping, that’s almost always how it works on the personal level. And once they are here, they’ll have a chance to pay back that kindness with savagery on the streets.

        • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 4:54 pm #

          Look at the bright side JS, they are only coming here because they live in even worse shit-holes. Once we have been reduced to the same level they will stop coming here.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

        “JHK has been much too ‘soft’ on immigration.”

        not

        The greatest city in the world is 60% immigrants.

  11. Walter B April 6, 2018 at 10:20 am #

    No Jim, none of the sellout scum, or legislators as they call themselves, give a hot damn about anything other than lining there pockets with our cash or contemplating their next sexual victims. I am sure that the GG of G has an agenda (you HAVE to have an agenda to get to the Anal Office) but what it is and how it will pan out is anybody’s guess. Here in New Jersey where we are now a Sanctuary State according to Governor Pot Head, they are also working on legalizing weed, though they have hit a few speed bumps on the road to decriminalizing it.

    I do believe that things cannot ever get better and that they will only get worse. This feeling is reinforced every time my wife chastises me for caring about working on the Township’s finances to pay off it’s debt before interest rates spike, while there are school lunches to prepare and dogs to be let out and why do I have to do it, that “somebody else” should. In our school system, the ladies avoid me because I apparently talk about things that go against their natural inclination to plan parties, vacations, and social events that they don’t want me at anyway. But the Mayor gets plenty of likes on his Facebook page when he posts another picture of himself giving an award to the local service dog, or hiding Easter eggs outside the grade school building.

    Once again I shall quote my old, angry buddy George Carlin in repeating that “Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care”. Nope, not gonna get better, only gonna get worse. How much worse? Aye, there’s the question.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:34 pm #

      Men should rule, not Women. But there is an occasional woman who can think like a man. What to do? Let Women run for office but not vote. We’ll know who the few good ones are.

      • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 2:16 pm #

        A tough subject to discuss and not offend any of the ladies out there, no doubt. But if it is indeed true that women in general are more caring, less violent, more likely to want to please more than they care to offend, then they are certainly closer to the ways of the Master than I shall ever be and good for them too. Unfortunately for societies, it only takes a couple of greedy, violent bastards to turn a happy herd into a feast for predators. Unfortunately for us men, there have been far too many dirt bags that ascend to seats of power to have a firm defensive ground to stand upon. The only solution can only come at the hand of a Higher, benevolent power. If those of us who believe are correct then we have hope. If we are wrong then there is no hope, only dope.

        • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

          mama merkel comes to mind… so does kim guadagno on the flip side. cant believe you voted for Gov. SmileNtax walter. “just get it over with already!” i guess?
          i think the opioid crisis here is proof that its mostly dope now for far too many.

          • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 4:03 pm #

            Can’t believe it myself, but as “elections” have proven beyond a shadow of at doubt these days, when given two shitty choices, it becomes impossible to not wind up with a shitty result. The smack issue is another lose-lose situation. Used to be that TPTB would argue that interdiction was the solution, then education. Now that both of those loser approaches have not only failed but have apparently exacerbated the problem, Narcanning the junkies seems to be another bad move. When you talk to the authorities as I do regularly, it is depressing to hear because they simply stop talking as there is nothing left in their bag of tricks.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 6:58 pm #

          Naw, I reject such a goody goody Christ. My Christ likes swords and whipped the vermin out of the Temple. The Ancient Germans saw Christ and his Disciples as a War Band making war against Satan.

          Women aren’t better – they adhere more closely to the Establishment is all. And the Big E ALWAYS wants men to be stuck on gentle and psychically castrated. So women love it too – or say they do in any case though it’s not reflected in the men they attracted to. No one is more prejudiced if the Establishment endorses a prejudice – as they are against White Nationalists.

          Women are great at Demonstrations. Screaming their lungs out. They have no doubts you see. Doubt is a symptom of intelligence. And most women are mental children and will remain so, always believing what the strongest voice says. That used to be Alpha Men. But what Alpha can compete with Big Brother? Or Big Sister?

          Thus St Paul told them to remain silent. Men are clearly in charge in Christianity. I’m afraid you’ve imbibed some bad doctrine along the way. I posted an long article about Christianity’s view of the Nation last week but I don’t know if you saw it.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 7:18 pm #

            Yay, Rambo Jesus 🙂

            And I think you’ll find that, according to the doctrine, it’s Jesus that does the rejecting, so good luck with that. And at least let’s hope you acquire some doubt, since that’s what ‘shows intelligence’. Haven’t seen much of it so far but maybe you save it for Church.

            *Thus St Paul told them to remain silent.”

            St Paul told you to marry or burn. How’s that working out for you?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

            The Church has always favored the monastic state over the married.

          • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:30 pm #

            “The Church has always favored the monastic state over the married.”

            For those who take a Vow of Celibacy, not for a the unattractive for whom it is involuntary.

            (you must know that I had much better descriptions than “unattractive”).

          • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 9:49 pm #

            But my friend, Jesus was even more powerful than Rambo! He defeated those that had Him murdered as well as those that did the killing by not only Rising from the dead, but by establishing the ensuing institution that would take over the entire Empire in the end. The power of looking your murders in the eye and saying “Go ahead and kill me – I’ll be back”, is the supreme act of power. Yes Rambo Jesus. Never lifted a finger to hurt anyone yet achieved great and glorious victory anyway. I like it!

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 5:36 am #

            I borrowed the epithet from the late, great Joe Bageant, who was describing the kind of Jesus imagined by the bellicose Scots-Irish who make up his antecedents and his neighbours in Winchester, Virginia. He was taking a swipe at them. I wasn’t admiring the concept – I was enjoying its aptness for Janos’ perversion of Christianity.

            Not that I ever watched the films, but I just don’t see Jesus with one of these:

            google.co.uk/search?q=rambo+images&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=80gwyicwCFnt6M%…:

          • GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 5:42 am #

            “The Church has always favored the monastic state over the married.”

            My understanding (from my culturally Catholic in-laws in Ireland) is that the Church was quite happy with married clergy until the 11th century, when the celibate priesthood was introduced. The reason, they tell me, was that the Church didn’t want to pay for the support of Priests’ widows. It’s always the money, isn’t it?

            Suttee in India was the same – widows cost money from the in-laws to support, so you invent a ‘religious practice’ to sort out your problem.

            As for favouring the monastic in general, that would bring about the end of your Christian society pretty quickly, wouldn’t it? The only reason Paul supported it was that they all thought the world was going to end within their lifetime. As people have done since.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:06 am #

            Joe Bageant

            yes!

          • Elrond Hubbard April 7, 2018 at 12:46 pm #

            GreenAlba: “The reason, they tell me, was that the Church didn’t want to pay for the support of Priests’ widows.”

            And the outcome was a self-selected caste of emotionally and sexually arrested men, who would go on to visit their various pathologies and hypocrisies on society for a thousand years.

            Like this guy, who presided at both my local church and high school when I was a teenager:

            windsorstar.com/news/local-news/former-windsor-priest-sentenced-for-sex-crimes

            I’m not totally without sympathy for him — maybe joining the priesthood was just a bad decision, and he chose bad outlets for his needs because a healthy one (i.e. marriage) was denied. Or maybe not, and he was always just a predator. But I feel more sympathy for his victims in any case.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

            I think the Orthodox way is better, allowing for married priests as a liaison between the inner Monastic Church and the outer Church of lay people.

            As it is now, much of the Catholic Church has become a Gay Cult, especially for pedophiles. I’m glad you’re against this.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 9:34 am #

            Elrond

            It is indeed a sad case, and (sadly) not unusual, as we know.
            There have historically been all sorts of cultural traditions (and taboos) that have led to the abuses we’ve heard about.

            In Catholic Ireland, every pious family used to hope for one son to go into the priesthood, so some sons felt an obligation to acknowledge – or imagine – a vocation. At the same time, the bigotry (due to ignorance as much as anything else ) towards homosexuals meant that some saw the priesthood as a sanctuary against the pressures they were under to marry (women) if they remained where they were.

            Janos is right that there are a lot of homosexual priests, but the reasons for them being more more numerous in the Catholic church than in the general population (if such is the case) are a bit more nuanced than he likes to think. And his own views are part of the reason for them being there in the first place.

          • Tate April 8, 2018 at 3:37 pm #

            But my friend, Jesus was even more powerful than Rambo! He defeated those that had Him murdered as well as those that did the killing by not only Rising from the dead, but by establishing the ensuing institution that would take over the entire Empire in the end. The power of looking your murders in the eye and saying “Go ahead and kill me – I’ll be back”, is the supreme act of power. Yes Rambo Jesus. Never lifted a finger to hurt anyone yet achieved great and glorious victory anyway. I like it! — Walter B

            Bears repeating. So I did.

  12. Cavepainter April 6, 2018 at 10:23 am #

    Yeah, all of those “should” conversations we, as a nation (“….”) need to have, such as the one about race, which won’t happen because it would necessitate an indifferent examination of history other than anecdotes lifted out of the broader context necessary for completing an understanding of the social milieu of periods.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:36 pm #

      Yes, the answer was given long ago by giants like Jefferson and Lincoln: send them back. But the “secret power” was already too strong and had other plans.

  13. pequiste April 6, 2018 at 10:23 am #

    Um, ‘scuse me but the “…media organs of public debate.” are not, but rather the instruments of both propaganda and public amusement.

    I cannot think of the last time I watched a legacy media newscast or read something from the American “newspapers of record” that meant something other than standard party orthodoxy, fluff for the consumption of faithful true believers, or indoctrination for the vacuous mind of the Lumpen.

    ALternative or oppositional voices in the immigration debate, as well as the realms of economics, geopolitics, or the Second Amendment for that matter, are no longer considered loyal opposition but nearly always branded with the scarlet letter of Racism.

    The nearly uncontrolled mass movement of Third World persons into America as a result of the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act, was the slow-acting poison of national destruction released by the sorcerers LBJ, Ted Kennedy and Jacob Javits.

    • Tate April 6, 2018 at 11:23 am #

      Chappaquiddick was playing at local theater last night. There was only one other guy besides me in the place, lol.

      Only thing I could think of during most of the show was George Carlin’s line: “It’s a Big Club and you’re not a member.”

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:07 am #

        movie theater must have had the lovely perfume of musk.

        • Tate April 7, 2018 at 8:02 pm #

          Nope, not Smell-O-Vision equipped:

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision

          btw, I replied to your latest post on Syriasly.

          • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 9:03 am #

            I was replying to your earlier comment on Syriasly:
            Tate
            April 4, 2018 at 7:35 pm #
            No, I like women’s musk, it’s very nice.

            So no Smell-O-Vision required in a theater filled with the real thing.

            Also, no need for the link, I Smell-O-Visioned lots of times. You smell me?

            =============================================
            Found it! Tate
            April 7, 2018 at 1:34 pm #
            dannyboy, no worries. Apology not necessary.

            But thanks.

            I do appreciate you personal generosity. As it turns out today’s my b-day and I expect some generosity, loving and LOVE coming my way.

          • Walter B April 8, 2018 at 6:05 pm #

            Happy Birthday (or rather anniversary of your birth) dannyboy! Hope you had a grand day. Care to give us a quick opinion on Chappaquiddick? I value your opinion on it.

          • Tate April 8, 2018 at 9:27 pm #

            I was the one who saw it, Walter, not dannyboy.

            I thought it was even-handed; as sympathetic as it could be to an unsympathetic character. There was the suggestion of an affair between Mary Jo Kopechne & Ted Kennedy but it was only hinted at. The most sympathetic character was Joe Gargan, Ted Kennedy’s aide(?)/friend. The most interesting part of the movie was the back-room scheming by his team of high-powered advisors to keep a lid on the scandal and limit the damage as it developed.

          • Walter B April 8, 2018 at 10:08 pm #

            Thank you Tate and sorry for the mix up. I appreciate your candor. I had a feeling that it would be a no go.

    • Tate April 6, 2018 at 12:28 pm #

      Ted Kennedy’s motivation for Hart-Cellar was bringing in more Irish, so I’ve heard.

      We all know what the motivation of Mister Hart & Mister Cellar were.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:43 pm #

        Right. His motivation was to do what his Masters wanted. The Irish thing was strictly secondary and small potatoes.

        As Dad had told JFK: The Jews won WW2. I don’t like it, but don’t let my opinion get in the way of your career. You have to get along with these people.

        • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:09 am #

          YOU have to get along with these people.

          Get straight before it’s too late.

      • Anon1970 April 6, 2018 at 2:45 pm #

        Congressman Celler spent four decades trying to undo the discrimination written into the Immigration Act of 1924. Senator Philip Hart attended a Catholic high school in Philadelphia in his youth, so he probably wasn’t Jewish.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 7:00 pm #

          Yeah, bet he was though.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

            Wrong
            wrong
            Wrong
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            Wrong
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    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 1:41 pm #

      Shortly before he died, he was in a good mood, drinking and singing as was his wont. He said he was glad he was leaving now so he didn’t have to see what would happen to America. The bastard knew what he had done to us.

    • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:33 pm #

      “I cannot think of the last time I watched a legacy media newscast or read something from the American “newspapers of record” that meant something other than standard party orthodoxy, fluff for the consumption of faithful true believers, or indoctrination for the vacuous mind of the Lumpen.”

      Try this:
      thedailymash.co.uk/

  14. JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 10:31 am #

    Why the Wall? To block the uncontrolled ingress of low income people looking for a future AND to try to slow the inflow of all forms of drugs, marijuana for sure but the killer drugs as well, including Chinese fentanyl. When I was a nurse and fentanyl was introduced for big pain problems such as cancer, a bunch of administration cautions were introduced because of its potency and the threat of overdose. The stuff is dangerous and unregulated availability is lethal as has been demonstrated.

    Controlling immigration may offset the downward pressure on wages that increased supply of low wage earners will cause. As we have seen recently, the upward wage pressure gives everyone the inflationary heebie jeebies. The conundrum is definitely influencing every part of the various marketplaces. The balancing act at the border between unnecessary workers crossing and necessary workers is a potent argument for the control needing the Wall. As usual, the politics destroys the progress needed for proper control as all forms of control are needed. The tall wall with the uncrossable top is a start, not the whole solution. It provides a barrier to a certain percentage of the border and allows surveillance options elsewhere. Tunneling under the wall needs to be controlled. Sonic detection techniques sense the small movements of earthquakes and explosions of weapons in NOKO can be detected in Boulder Colorado. Certainly a sonic detection system can be installed with the wall to monitor subterranean activity. High tech observation, drones and good old fashioned visual observation are still needed for areas of the border where the wall will not work. The important point is that all the deterrents are needed, not one or another. And definitely one alternative should not be used to negate another alternative. The political maneuvering occurring leads one to believe that the participants have a lot to lose if the border is effectively closed. Do I believe that the Deep State has an altruistic desire to save the Latin world. My foot. Both sides have their ulterior motives for keeping the border open, including flooding the labor marketplace and a whole lot of unscrupulous activities. That leads us to

    Drugs. And not only drugs, prostitution, pedophilia, human trafficking, cartel formation in the US, all benefit with an uncontrolled border. My belief is that many of the forces arrayed against a controlled border benefit in the illicit trades. As economic opportunity has waned here, the availability of the dark market has attracted folks into illegal opportunities. Can you imagine Hollywood without drugs? Neither can Hollywood, and boy they hate the controlled border. Look as financial markets, coming up with ways of hiding assets in the Dark Economy to avoid law and order. The Wall is a direct threat to all these folks as well as to the future voting base of the Democratic Party. Strange bedfellows, don’t you think? The dark side of the Force is rallying anti-Wall support across the country but especially in Washington, DC.

    It is time that America decide what its future roll is. Are we a Shining Light on the Hill for the world or just another bunch of lousy corrupted greed merchants. I know that both sides exist on this blog regarding the border. Response to this JHK editorial should be interesting. For myself, control of the border makes or breaks the US in the future and the dark forces will stop at nothing to prevent its erection.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:46 am #

      WE’ve NEVER been a “Shining Light [City] on the Hill,” that’s what’s so ironic. That phrase was never anything more than a marketing slogan trotted out to attract naive poor Americans into believing in the foolish idea that they were part of some grand historic enterprise that actually benefited them and theirs. Their wealthy capitalist betters have been laughing all the way to the bank with that one for well over a century now, at least.

      Americans need to stop thinking in platitudes and marketing slogans and get fucking real with it for a change.

      • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 11:03 am #

        Offer to you that compared to most of the world, we are a Shining Light. We have our problems but compared to elsewhere???

        • Tate April 6, 2018 at 11:27 am #

          Well, let’s turn it off then. Shining lights attract bugs.

          • Walter B April 6, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

            I wish I said that! Bravo.

      • Cavepainter April 6, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

        The reality is that human behavior consists, as it always has, in the same array of pre-dispositions (which, BTW, are predictable by % break-down among all populations and demographics). Only Western Culture nurtured the study models that today we refer to as anthropology, sociology, ethnology, etc., etc.,…….on and on, which has provided basis for understanding history better than before the 20th Century when opinions were hardly more than generalizations drawn (with personal bias) from personal, anecdotal, experience.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

        This is where you go so wrong. To many we were. Not to the Indians of course, but that’s life. You want to dash it all to hell because it wasn’t perfect. Wtf? And yes, the Capitalists have to be terrified into submission. OF COURSE! But not by Marxist murderers and mobs of zombies.

    • beantownbill. April 6, 2018 at 10:54 am #

      Very good analysis, John. Where I disagree is with drugs. Although such drug use is very bad for the users, people have the right to ingest whatever they want into their bodies. Natural selection would eventually breed out those users, anyway. Having the government controlling every aspect of our lives is what we should be running away from, not toward.

      It’s very hypocritical of the government to ban casual drug usage while encouraging us to eat unhealthy foods.

      You know as well as I that the war on drugs would be over in a heartbeat with legalization as of all drugs.

      The Feds’ hypocrisy is furthered by allowing states to flout federal law.’

      • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 11:12 am #

        You have a libertarian viewpoint on drugs. I do understand that legalization would eliminate enforcement problems and would empty a lot of jail cells. But at what cost? We seem to understand that the world and US situation is worsening with time. Legal availability of drugs will make this problem worse IMHO. However I will acknowledge that drug use could blunt the effects of WMBH. But will it just accelerate the decline. The changes in Colorado to people’s attitudes has been significant as homelessness and listlessness have both increased. Colorado and California are not good propaganda for the pro drug forces. But it could be it is a portend of the future.

        • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:27 am #

          Not drugs, CANNABIS. There is a big difference.

          • Tate April 6, 2018 at 11:35 am #

            Cannabis is a species of weed. But it has non-drug uses; a very useful species of weed. George Washington grew cannabis in the form of hemp. At one time it was used for rope, canvas (cannabis>canvas), clothing, animal feed, oil, etc. How idiotic is it to try to outlaw a plant?

          • ZrCrypDiK April 8, 2018 at 4:43 pm #

            U no they *WONT WIN*…

        • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 8:04 pm #

          I missed the first time that your were attributing increased homelessness and listlessness to legal availability of drugs in Colorado and California.

          Drugs are not more legal, cannabis is and there is no connection between homelessness and legalization of cannabis products in Colorado. The only portend is everything under the sun will be blamed for what you don’t like.

          • ZrCrypDiK April 9, 2018 at 11:56 am #

            Oxyanna? WV city, oceanna?!? They prescribe oxy there liek it’s goin’ outta *STYLE* … Meth is a big problem, too (fentanyl)

            Keep smokin’ that dope , you dopey doper!!! (PDX 30%+++ right off teh plant)

      • Eoin April 6, 2018 at 11:56 am #

        JHK is correct about the marijuana problem having a perceived primacy over immigration enforcement. The Libertarian precept that ALL drugs should be legal, and available, is attractive for many reasons, not the least of which is the end of the needless imprisonment of US citizens and enrichment of the private prison industry. Taking it a step further, the US herd seems to be in need of culling; what better way to accomplish that than a good, reliable supply of pure heroin ?
        Let all who crave insensibility and anti-social activity indulge it to surfeit ! Let the herd thin itself ! MakeEverythingLegalAgain !

        Then……., Build a big beautiful wall, take our country back, restore our culture and national pride, and send that siren song of a communist shitstorm Kamala Harris back to wherever the fuck she came from. Dream of “open borders” indeed.

        • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 1:59 pm #

          not sure if youre being sarcastic but carfentinil is 5,000 times stronger than heroin. it blurs the line between “drug” and “wmd”. a guy in NJ had enough in his trunk to kill millions last year. this shit should not be legal. weed? sure. coke? maybe. opium? ok. heroin and anything more potent? i dont think so.
          a BBW will not stop the drugs. BBW will stop many people from coming in but the drugs (much, much smaller than people and not needing air and water) will always find a way in.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 2:13 pm #

      Can Hollywood imagine Hollywood without pedophilia? Apparently not, thus the Oscar for Roman Polanski and another one for the move about gay pedophilia. Message sent: Business as usual, Me too is just for big actresses.

    • Linda April 6, 2018 at 11:40 pm #

      Very well put, JohnAZ. I am a legal immigrant from Europe who came here as a child. I used to be a liberal left Democrat. Not anymore. Caesar Chavez was against illegals coming into the country because it took jobs away from his union workers. And the Democrats rallied around him. Now they want to flaunt the law and prefer to support illegal invaders rather than the American citizenry. Bah. I’m sick of it all.

      Thanks for bringing this up, JHK.

  15. beantownbill. April 6, 2018 at 10:33 am #

    Given that the US government has made it a habit to flout the law (e.g. FBI and DOJ machinations, bombing countries without declaring war, allowing medical monopolies, to name just a few examples) itself, I don’t see why the Feds have to be concerned with any outcry over resolving the marijuana issue before it can tackle immigration.

    Basically, globalistic forces

    • beantownbill. April 6, 2018 at 10:35 am #

      Oops.

      Basically, globalistic forces are trying to bring the US down a few pegs to create ” equality” among nations.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 10:47 am #

      MJ would make people happier, lazy and prone to drop out of the workfarce altogether. That simply can’t be allowed.

      • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:25 am #

        But if it is commercialized people need money to buy it. For most people this means WORK! So to get the stash you have to participate in the workfarce to get the cash.

        • Tate April 6, 2018 at 11:41 am #

          I’m against cannabis legalization in terms of commercial retail trade for drug use. But everyone should be able to grow a few plants for home use.

          Same for alcohol, everybody should be able to brew & distill liquor, but there should not be allowed commercial retail trade of alcohol. Haha nobody would agree to that however, too much $$$ tied up in it.

          That was the reason for repeal of prohibition during the Great Depression: lure of jobs > $$$tax revenues.

          • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 12:37 pm #

            Actually I agree with you. The proposal I participated in would have decriminalized use and allowed for personal grows. The unemployed would have continued to have a way to earn a few bucks under the table and smuggling would have ended. The culture would have gone on as is but would not have been illegal anymore. Prices would have lowered.

            The proposal which passed I did not participate in and don’t like. It totally commercializes sales and there is NO room for personal growing. It was crafted by some libertarian wankers who are all about making it a product to sell and nothing else.

            It is and was a total sellout. People getting what they want but giving the entire supply chain away to big brother and losing all self determination as to where the cannabis culture would go. Now cannabis is truly ‘pushed’.

            I do not support ‘legalization’ I support decriminalization but it is too late for that here. Just in our state there were two billion in sales last year.

            You still can’t have the plant but other people can now grow it and sell it to you. That is oppression, not freedom. Like something right out of a dystopian novel.The Washington State law sucks.

          • Tate April 6, 2018 at 12:51 pm #

            Yep, you’ve got it. “Libertarian wankers” indeed. Haha. But in Colorado, we can grow six plants for home use. I don’t use it however.

          • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 12:52 pm #

            Nice to see some British vocab being more widely appreciated 🙂

          • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

            Yeah, well you guys are not the only guys who can wank. When it comes to wankers America produces world class specimens.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 2:22 pm #

            Agree completely, Kdog. Libertarianism was taken over by the Drug Lobby. I hated them to begin with so I didn’t care. But for the hard core believers, it was a bitter pill. But of course since the whole thing is bullshit, it’s always going to be one bitter pill or another for them. Their perfect state is Somalia: low taxes and small Government.

          • Tate April 6, 2018 at 3:15 pm #

            Janos, you’re right, this old dog finally woke up to the libertarian scam after many years of delusive abuse at their hands. I want to say more about the libertarian fantasy we live in, and the personal experience I had today, but will wait a while ’til I sober up a little.

          • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:37 pm #

            K-Dog
            April 6, 2018 at 1:04 pm #
            Yeah, well you guys are not the only guys who can wank. When it comes to wankers America produces world class specimens.

            Janos Skorenzy
            April 6, 2018 at 2:22 pm #
            Agree completely, Kdog.

            some self-awareness on the part of Janos.

          • Elrond Hubbard April 7, 2018 at 12:53 pm #

            It pains me to admit this, but every so often Janos manages to say something sufficiently un-tainted by bigotry to expose that, in many ways, he and I are very similar. His remark about Somalia being the perfect libertarian state is bang-on.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:10 pm #

            “It pains me to admit this, but every so often Janos manages to say something sufficiently un-tainted by bigotry to expose that, in many ways, he and I are very similar. His remark about Somalia being the perfect libertarian state is bang-on.” – Elrond Hubbard

            and Janos’ “remark” was: “Their perfect state is Somalia: low taxes and small Government.”

            ===============================================

            You two deserve each other. Somalia hs neither “low taxes” or “small Government”.

            Somalia is GOVERENED by violent factions, which EXTRACT high tax.

      • Robert White April 6, 2018 at 12:29 pm #

        Anhedonia is the term used to delineate the lack of motivation that envelops chronic marijuana users after long term use. Capitalism does not motivate ‘the freaks’ that tuned in, turned on, & dropped out, Ol’ Scratch.

        Counterculture has always been a fly in the ointment of USA ‘Capitalism’, and that’s what the corporatists refuse to accept it. The 60s boomers now run the legislatures & cities en masse. Sanctuary cities are dependent upon population growth just as the GGG is dependent upon ratings growth. Culling undocumented citizens from sanctuary cities will weaken the power base of politicians that run these cities. Culling marijuana users from the tax base is also counterproductive given that marijuana is a growth industry that corporatists & bureaucrats benefit from through taxation & profits.

        CANADA’s pot markets are slated to bring in billions in taxation.
        The USA is irresponsible not to legislate legal pot sales across the board in light of the tax that supports governance going forward.

        RW

        RW

        • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 2:24 pm #

          Yes, let’s all sing “How I love to haul manure up the mountain to fulfill Mao’s Dream”. The average Leftish has no idea what Communism is really about. It’s all about profit and perks, puritanism, hard work, low pay and above all, Hierarchy.

          • Robert White April 6, 2018 at 2:58 pm #

            I’m just here for the Marxian Revolution & Workers Paradise, Janos.

            Party on, Garth.

            RW

        • K-Dog April 9, 2018 at 1:12 am #

          People who experience anhedonia have lost interest in activities they used to enjoy and have a decreased ability to feel pleasure. It’s a core symptom of major depressive disorder, but it can also be a symptom of other mental health disorders. Some people who experience anhedonia don’t have a mental disorder.

          The two main types of anhedonia are social and physical anhedonia.

          Social anhedonia is a disinterest in social contact and a lack of pleasure in social situations. Physical anhedonia is an inability to feel tactile pleasures such as eating, touching, or sex.

          The symptoms of anhedonia include:

          social withdrawal
          a lack of relationships or withdrawal from previous relationships
          negative feelings toward yourself and others
          reduced emotional abilities, including having less verbal or nonverbal expressions
          difficulty adjusting to social situations
          a tendency toward showing fake emotions, such as pretending you’re happy at a wedding
          a loss of libido or a lack of interest in physical intimacy
          persistent physical problems, such as being sick often

          Anhedonia is a core symptom of depression, but not everyone who’s depressed experiences anhedonia. Prescription medication, especially medications like antidepressants and antipsychotics used to treat depression, can cause anhedonia.

          Schizotypy is a psychology theory that certain personality traits may be a risk factor for developing psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia. Social anhedonia is a risk factor for schizophrenia.

          Anhedonia may also occur due to recreational drug use or having a large amount of stress or anxiety in your life.
          ……

          Cannabis is not mentioned. The fact is in states where Cannabis has been legalized the suicide rate in young men has dropped like a stone. It seems the effect is totally the OPPOSITE to Anhedonia.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 2:18 pm #

        Are you forgetting the Robots? Workers aren’t needed much anymore or soon won’t be. We need different kinds of soma to keep the people happy.

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 11:16 am #

      Because both conundrums have the same “solution”. Build the Wall.

      • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

        BBW wont stop the drugs. only less demand will stop the drugs

        • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:12 pm #

          It’s the victim mentality practiced with regularity by CFN commenters, that says:

          If the GOVERNMENT would keep OTHERS from selling MY COUNTRY drugs.

          see how that works?

  16. Walter B April 6, 2018 at 10:39 am #

    It cannot be argued JohnAZ that they are NO forces working on a New World Order, a One World Government because they openly admit it….

    [David Rockefeller’s book ‘Memoirs’ admits secretly conspiring for a NWO

    In David Rockefeller’s book ‘Memoirs’ he admits he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a new world order.Here is the direct quote from his book, pg 405:

    Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

    David Rockefeller |

    It also cannot be argued that there are those working against it. The question is will a population of uncaring, distracted, dimwitted idiots give a damn? I doubt it. So sit back and watch the Clash of the Titans and wait to see who wins. In the end, we all know who loses, don’t we? US!

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 11:19 am #

      Right, and I am losing faith that the common Joe can do anything about it. The Deep State is winning!

    • Robert White April 6, 2018 at 1:38 pm #

      Rockefeller et al. attempted to usher in the ‘New World Order’ that George H. W. Bush so often talked about, but that global agenda was stopped dead in March of 2008 when the New World Disorder
      was ushered in to circumvent the plans of the Council on Foreign Relations & their proposed ‘New World Order’.

      The fourth largest Investment Bank in the world was the corporatist sacrifice for the New World Disorder, and Bear Stearns was the precipitous of that new paradigm shift to de-Americanize the entire world power base. Furthermore, since 08 the USA has evidenced
      a complete reversal of their previous preditor nation status as the pre-eminent Global Reserve Currency nation. The USD monopoly has been smashed to smithereens.

      Welcome to the New World Disorder, Walter B.

      RW

  17. akmofo April 6, 2018 at 10:40 am #

    Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act is the most tightly restricted category reserved for drugs that have “no currently accepted medical use”. This is clearly false in the case of Cannabis and cannabinoids. Cannabinoids work their medicinal magic by imitating communication compounds our bodies naturally produce, called endocannabinoids, and maintain internal stability and health.

    The FDA and CDC are handmaidens of the allopathic or rather the all-pathetic Rockefeller chemical industry corrupt medical system. A medical system whose philosophy of medical treatment is to use alien never before seen in nature lab-synthesized and therefore patentable chemical poisons as remedies to illness. Because according to their idiotic medical philosophy that’s what our body is missing for good and proper health — these alien to nature synthetic pharmaco chemicals/poisons. The results are what they are. Chronic disease and death by “medicine” is now the norm.

    Both the FDA and CDC should be abolished and the allopathic medical industry should be sued into bankruptcy and out of existence.

    • FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 11:47 am #

      I am not a qualified person to judge the benefits of weed for medical needs, but I can bet you my bottom dollar that 99% use it just to get high.

      • akmofo April 6, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

        Not qualified? Why not? Make yourself qualified!
        Starting with cancer:
        projectcbd.org/cancer

        Stop handing over your thinking faculties and your natural rights to “authorities” — authorities that are ignorant malicious and corrupt to the core.

        • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:44 pm #

          “Stop handing over your thinking faculties and your natural rights to “authorities” — authorities that are ignorant malicious and corrupt to the core.” akmufo

          “Money. . . lots a money is where it is at.”

          “Anyway think Money and Jobs! Mostly Money.” – jayrome

          These two should share a Nobel Prize!

          finally the covers are coming off

  18. K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 10:50 am #

    You are out to lunch but living in New York does explain it.

    Weed grown in the Pacific Northwest has been regularly shipped to New York for years where the price for it could get as high as $500 an ounce. I learned working on making cannabis legal (signature gathering) that the ignorance of the local population regarding cannabis is proportional to its price and illegality. T

    • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:13 am #

      There is no connection between cannabis and immigration and hence no need for your imaginary conundrum.

      The Federal Government never had a good reason to make Cannabis illegal in the first place. Racism and ignorance made bad laws and after many years of effort the people voted and rejected them making cannabis legal as it should be It is what Americans claim they are all about. Changing laws to make things right.

      The Federal Government does not automatically have a right to all the information in state databases. Data gathered for one purpose should not automatically be handed over to any Federal Agency that wants it and it is an invasion of privacy to do so. To think the FEDs should have this right is abysmally stupid. As stupid as thinking anybody who says no to the FEDs is ‘breaking the law’.

      Xavier Becerra, lately threatened to fine corporations there that share employee information with federal agents. He is the Attorney General of California and corporations operate under STATE CHARTERS. Becerra is doing his job and has the legal right to fine corporations who supply FEDs with information they have ILLEGALLY requested.

    • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 11:49 am #

      “Weed grown in the Pacific Northwest ”

      Dog,
      Friends I know that were in the “business” have told me that many are getting out of the trade, as prices for quality parts of the plant are hovering as low as $500 per pound. It still sounds like a lot until you understand that it is not for the leaves or the plant in general, but the flowering buds.

      • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 1:19 pm #

        Because state taxes are 50% here all along the supply chain, true connoisseurs continue to save money in the grey market (<- look Alba 'grey' not 'gray' just 4 U) but prices are capped at between $100 and $200 an ounce. Private individuals also produce a better product. There are many reasons for this.

        Yet the number of aficionado committed to keeping the grey (free) market going however is in steep decline. The convenience of a weed store can't be beat. To grow and prepare a pound of bud for market takes a hundred bucks just in electricity. Harvesting and preparation is labor intensive. Distribution requirements means that when adding it all up, $500 a pound will make no money.

        • GreenAlba April 6, 2018 at 7:23 pm #

          “look Alba ‘grey’ not ‘gray’ just 4 U”

          Cheers, K-Dog, but I’ve accepted US hegemony. We had our time in the sun (well, before my time but hey…) 🙂

    • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:46 pm #

      you lost me at “You are out to lunch but living in New York does explain it.”

  19. JMR April 6, 2018 at 11:03 am #

    Simple answer to this whole situation, if Trump is for it, they are against it. I have to laugh every time I read about some idea or statement of Trump that outrages the entire world seemingly. Then I google that idea but I use “Obama” instead. Obama immigration, Obama sanctuary cities, Obama sending troops to Mexican border, etc. Of course Obama did pretty much all the things that Trump talks about and we never heard a peep.

    Syria is a perfect example. Trump states we are leaving Syria, and everyone is outraged. Since when is getting out of a war a bad thing? Since Trump suggested it of course. Trump could find the cure for cancer and half the population would be incensed and complaining about the rights of cancer cells.

    • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:15 am #

      Since when is getting out of a war a bad thing?

      When the threat of military action prevents genocide.

      • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 4:16 pm #

        “Since when is getting out of a war a bad thing?”

        Or when you are winning….

  20. FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 11:26 am #

    Under the current urgent need for re-industrialization, legalization of drugs would spell a death sentence to the American economy. There is already a lack of qualified work force:

    This workforce issue is not just a Yavapai County dilemma; this issue that affects the entire nation.

    dcourier.com/news/2018/apr/06/ask-contractor-construction-industry-offers-well-p/

    • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 11:47 am #

      Bullshit article.

      Alway the complaint of never being able to find qualified workers. A perennial complaint with a simple solution. Pay them money.

      • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 12:25 pm #

        The article is called ask the contractor so its from their perspective. He never said how much he was paying new peopleWages will eventually rise but very few contractors have the desire or financial ability to train, really train, new workers. “Can you do this yes or no?” Dont know ive never done it before. “Get out of here then, we’re already behind schedule and over budget.” I heard that a lot when i was younger. Most dont want to train and are always playing catch-up.
        Many contractors dont have the patience to train new kids who are green and dont want to have an underperfoming, distracting or unsafe new guy on the payroll. Outside of labor unions formal apprenticeships are the exception, not the rule. And pay them more only works if they prove their mettle. Insurance and workers comp are both based on payroll so to remain profitable companies get by with a small core of a few guys, not unproductive new guys who are being trained.
        I have my own masonry business now so Ive seen both sides of this. Theres a lot to the skills gap. Its not as simple as “pay them more” or “they dont want to work”. Now large companies (Home depot just pledged $50 million to trades development, for example), Mike Rowe and some govts. are trying to step in to correct the problem but it will be years before these initiatives pay dividends. Laugh at the Dirty Jobs guy, Mike Rowe, if you want but he’s done more to raise awareness and money about this than just about anybody else.

        To circle back to JHKs original post if you start mass deporting illegal immigrants the skills gap will get much, much worse.

        • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

          I respect your response. Things are different from your point of view.

          Years of reading articles such as this, often in the business section of limited distribution magazines and weekly newspapers often have a tone that often disparages working people.

          Not everyone is lazy and suffering form drug and alcohol problems. Some of us are very handy and rapidly pick up new skills. Some of these eager and skilled people are unemployed and articles which disparage workers are insulting to them. At times I have been one of these insulted workers.

          • K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

            often have a tone which disparages working people.

          • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 2:12 pm #

            youre right, these types of articles are usually from the business side perspective. they rarely interview the job seekers to get their side of it. our culture at large has gotten away from doing things with our hands, from hard work, and its a problem thats manifesting itself in many ways.

        • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 4:19 pm #

          “To circle back to JHKs original post if you start mass deporting illegal immigrants the skills gap will get much, much worse.”

          By your comment it would get much worse before getting better.

          • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:49 pm #

            my fav couusin, who i am seeing tomorrow, headed e-verify and figured this in

  21. Newton Finn April 6, 2018 at 11:34 am #

    Of course, a nation must exercise a substantial degree of control over who comes across its borders or is allowed to stay in the country. And a nation also owes to its citizens ample opportunities for jobs before they are usurped by others. THIS is the part of the immigration situation that I find most maddening: the common corporate practice of bringing in foreign workers, through a corrupt visa system, to replace, at lower wages and less-to-no benefits, American workers who have been in these positions for years, greatly contributing to the corporation that is now throwing them out the door. Why is THAT obscenity rarely mentioned in this overheated immigration debate? On the other side of the coin, our volunteer community gardening project, which produces annually over a ton of fresh vegetables for a local food pantry, largely depends on the tireless efforts of a Dreamer, who was brought into America at the age of six, poured himself into education all the way through college, now pours himself into one community project after another, and is as American at this point as my own adult son or daughter. Why would anyone in their right mind want to send that young man packing and thereby erase all the constructive work he does out of the goodness of his heart? My understanding is that the Dreamer Act is self-limiting, with an already expired expiration date, so what is the problem with letting these young men and women, who have fully integrated into our society and are helping to improve it, stay in the only country they have known and help make America great again…or at least as good as it’s gonna get in this troubled world?

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 3:21 pm #

      Why send him back? Because that is the Law. Because he is one in a million – despite the usual implication that he is typical and they are morally superior to Americans. And if the Leftists love Mexico, shouldn’t this fine young man be back there helping his country?

      You’re doing the same thing here. The Dreamers have extraordinary levels of criminality and gang membership. Does Mexico let Central American dreamers live in Mexico? Like hell it does.

      • Newton Finn April 8, 2018 at 11:17 am #

        I sense great cruelty in your comment–justice untempered by mercy. This young Dreamer is not one in a million, nor do Dreamers exhibit extraordinary levels of criminality and gang membership beyond those of American-born minorities. HIS country is the USA, the country in which he was raised and socialized and to which he is contributing far beyond the norm. He has as much in common with Mexico as my children do, doesn’t even speak Spanish or know as much as my adult son, a history buff, about Mexican culture. Tell me honestly, are you as worked up about the corporate misuse of the visa system, displacing dedicated American workers from our dwindling decent jobs, as you are about this young man, brought here involuntarily at the age of six? Or is it only the little people who earn your outrage?

        • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

          Yeah, I hate them both. I’d love to see more Execs perp walked out of their offices to face the People.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 5:41 pm #

            elysianfield

            You were looking for proof of Janos’ hatred.

            From the horse’s mouth…

  22. FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 11:34 am #

    The Trump wall is mainly aimed against the drug traffickers

    The attitude toward opium trade is one of the most important markers of the Western Colored Projects.

    From 1830 to 1837, the British East India Company export of opium to China increased from 2000 boxes (weighing about 108 pounds each) to 39,000 boxes. None of the modern drug cartels operates on such scale.

    Drug trafficking superseded the trade in other goods, the diversion of silver disorganized the finances of the Ch’ing Empire, millions of Chinese, from simple coolies to princes of all 12 ranks, were victims of addiction. Officials Jiang Xianan and Huang Juezzi were horrified to find that among the employees of the criminal and tax chambers, more than half are addicts. State institutions, from the system of artificial irrigation to the privileged “eight-star” troops, were destroyed and out of control.

    The slave trade was just merciful in comparison with the opium trade, acknowledged the English economist Robert Montgomery Martin in 1847. “We did not destroy the African Negro organism, because our interest required the preservation of their lives … And the opium seller kills the body after it corrupted, humiliated and devastated a moral being.”

    Every British monarch since 1729 has received huge benefits from the drug trade, and this is also true of the ruling crowned person. Their ministers watched to ensure that the wealth flowed into their family treasuries. One of these ministers of Queen Victoria was Lord Palmerston. He firmly held the view that one should not allow the slightest possibility of ending British opium trade in China. Palmerston’s plan was to supply the Chinese ruling circles with as much opium as possible, so that individual members of the Chinese government became personally interested in expanding trade. Then it was supposed to stop deliveries, and when the Chinese government was brought to their knees, they should resume, but at a much higher price, thus maintaining a monopoly with the help of the government itself, but this plan failed.

    The frictions with the Chinese authorities were common. In 1729, the Chinese adopted the “Jung Chin Decree” law prohibiting the importation of opium, and yet British East India Company managed to maintain its opium position in Chinese customs registers until 1753, with a fee of three taels for a standard opium box (usually 108 pounds). The British special secret service (“agents 007” of that time) made sure that non-conforming Chinese officials were bribed, and if they could not be bribed, they were simply killed.

    British East India Company = City of London = Clinton = Western Black Project

  23. sprawlcapital April 6, 2018 at 11:41 am #

    The problem with open borders does not require a mind trained in rocket science to comprehend: the poor people of the world will flock to the rich countries, and then the rich countries will no longer be rich. Nor will they have a decent quality of life. And their natural resources will be ravaged.

    I know you all think of Iowa as a bucolic backwater, protected from the stresses of the larger world. In fact, Iowa is ground zero for the immigration explosion.

    My wife substitute teaches in the Des Moines Public schools. She observes that many of those schools would be empty if it were not for Hispanics. Des Moines is the large, old central city, the capital of Iowa. Meanwhile thousands of white people flee to the suburbs into new homes built on what was the best farmland on earth. And of course they live the automobile-based lifestyle, so shopping and all other facilities for them must to have vast concrete parking lots, destroying even more land. Our host once called those “parking lagoons”.

    The fertility of the Hispanic immigrants is awesome to behold. And apparently all those little ones become US citizens at birth. (If what I hear on the news about our US law is correct.)

    I totally agree that the 1965 immigration legislation needs to be revised to set a low quota on numbers of immigrants legally allowed into the US.

    It’s all about numbers. And the freedom to move here and procreate without limit needs to be curtailed. How to do that humanely? Maybe revoke tax deductions for children. Maybe other forms of social pressure, Best bet–do not let the parents into the country in the first place.

    • Jigplate April 6, 2018 at 12:36 pm #

      I grew up in the Bronx, and I have spent my entire adult life working there. In the 60’s, my retired grandmother lived on the grand Concourse. This area was once considered a second “Park Ave”. It is now a gang infested wasteland. Her apartment had a doorman, sunken living room and a fireplace. As a child, I would take the bus to go visit her, as well as go to the movies at the Lowes paradise – a large elaborately decorated 1940’s era movie theatre- now a storefront church. The area where I lived was more like a small New England fishing village than a part of NYC. I even had classmates whose fathers were commercial lobstermen. The Bronx now is a cesspool. The white population has long since fled, and now numbers somewhere in the low single digits. When I go to work, I feel like a stranger in my own country. I will be leaving NY soon, and will not miss it. All of these changes are due to third world immigration, and have destroyed the character of NY. This has been long in the making- as a teenager I remember well the NYC blackout in the late 70’s, and the way the Bronx tore itself apart with looting. I am glad I will be gone when there is a real emergency.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 3:24 pm #

        Well said. America is White or it is nothing. White Immigrants could become Americans in a way others never will – because the essence or soul of America is White.

        And if the Hispanics succeed in conquering us, well then there will be a new soul and a new elite. I don’t think most of the readers here will like it very much. And they certainly won’t like being 2nd class citizens.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:54 pm #

        “I grew up in the Bronx… As a child, I would take the bus to go visit her, as well as go to the movies at the Lowes paradise – a large elaborately decorated 1940’s era movie theatre- now a storefront church.”

        I grew up in the Bronx… As a child, I would take the bus to go to the movies at the Lowes paradise – a large elaborately decorated 1940’s era movie theatre- now a storefront church.

        ===================================================
        “I will be leaving NY soon, and will not miss it. All of these changes are due to third world immigration, and have destroyed the character of NY. This has been long in the making- as a teenager I remember well the NYC blackout in the late 70’s, and the way the Bronx tore itself apart with looting. I am glad I will be gone when there is a real emergency.”

        I LOVE NY! I am away for a few days in Lancaster PA and REALLY MISS IT.

        My son now lives in the Bronx.

      • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:08 pm #

        Make America White again?

        • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:34 pm #

          But America was brown skin Indigenous.

          It was never white.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 1:53 pm #

            That was before America existed. A Nation is not a Geographic locale. Whites founded America and thus are the native Americans. Before us it was “Turtle Island” at least according to some of the Indians.

            Jews have taken over National Geographic. Now it’s all about Trannies and Interracial relationships. Another organization falls to the Coming Dark.

            Similarly, you can’t stand that We had a history before you folks came in on the Ellis Island Express.

  24. Jigplate April 6, 2018 at 12:07 pm #

    The Democratic party has simply lost me. Their massive slide to the left , and their abandenment of the white middle class in favor of immigrants ( legal and illegal) is cynical and distubing as well as brilliant as a ploy to cement their power in the 21st century. What they fail to understand , is that no nation can survive having it’s belief systems as well as it’s demographicis turned upside down. The cultural civil war is well under way. Can the shooting part be far behind?

    • Wxtwxtr April 6, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

      What if? What if the politicians and media owners and other authoratai figures in Britain, Eurabia and the U.S. are being BRIBED and BLACKMAILED to legalize, promote and subsidize the INVASIONS (can’t use the euphemisms “migrant” or “immigrant” or “refugee” because those ask permission) of the Third World Subhominus Horde?

      Saudi money – destroying their enemy by Hijra and building the Caliphate using the Great Satan’s own money? Why not?

      • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 3:27 pm #

        Oh it goes deeper and earlier than that. “Our” own bankers funded World Communism as a way to take down the Aristocracies. Now they are allied with Islam to take down the Republics and Democracies. A marriage made in hell.

    • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:55 pm #

      “The cultural civil war is well under way. Can the shooting part be far behind?”

      Hooked on drama?

  25. FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 12:12 pm #

    Proof cannabis DOES lead teenagers to harder drugs: Study finds users are 26 times more likely to turn to other substances by the age of 21

    The study of the lives of more than 5,000 teenagers produced the first resounding evidence that cannabis is a gateway to cocaine, amphetamines, hallucinogens and heroin

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4582548/Proof-cannabis-DOES-lead-teenagers-harder-drugs.html

    • akmofo April 6, 2018 at 1:38 pm #

      Sorry, I have family members and many friends that prove this false.

      The Sacred Plant Of Ayurvedic Medicine:
      https://www.??????.com/en/category/News-articles/Cannabis-Health/Medical-Cannabis/

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 9:57 pm #

        not amla?

        • akmofo April 7, 2018 at 8:05 pm #

          Amla too.

          Amba is the Israeli version (Turmeric Fenugreek & Mango) used to make shawarma into SHAWARMA 🙂

    • akmofo April 6, 2018 at 2:19 pm #

      The story of a curious Scientist and Cannabis research:
      youtu.be/PWabJ6DS55Q

      Unfortunately, science today is more about false doctrine than curiosity or knowledge.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 10:02 pm #

        “science today is more about false doctrine than curiosity or knowledge.”

        Is that you Mike Pence? Scott Pruitt? James Perry? Alex Azar?

        • akmofo April 7, 2018 at 8:07 pm #

          Emmanuel Velikovsky!

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:37 pm #

            love it!

            Worlds in Collision is a book written by Immanuel Velikovsky and first published April 3, 1950. The book postulated that around the 15th century BCE, Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet or comet-like object, and passed near Earth (an actual collision is not mentioned). The object changed Earth’s orbit and axis, …

    • Robert White April 6, 2018 at 3:08 pm #

      Look at the North America population that grew up on 2% & Homogenized Milk – they are all participant observers of the biggest illicit drug culture in the Western world. Their gateway drug was 2% milk, and now they are banging the hard stuff in government run Supervised Injection Sites funded by the taxpayer.

      Milk is a gateway drug!

      Just say no to milk!

      RW

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 3:29 pm #

      One could say the same of coffee: it leads to harder stuff. Or alcohol. Most people who do drugs also like those two as well – and tried them first.

      Most Lesbians have had twice as much sex with men as straight women. A single standard is often the wrong approach. And the arrow of causality isn’t always so straight forward, at least not obviously so.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 10:03 pm #

        “Most Lesbians have had twice as much sex with men as straight women.”

        but not with you

        • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:24 am #

          Yet do you not suggest the possibility in your snarkiness that men might be the cause of some lesbianism? Never mind if they were born that way and never never had been forced to stroke a dick when they were nine years old, they can’t remember that now, of course.

          Or in the forest of life there are many paths.

          Ii is a Conundrum!

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:14 am #

            To answer your question: No

            See how you can reply without hurling “snarky” and shit?

      • Tate April 7, 2018 at 9:14 pm #

        PLAYBOY founder, Hugh Hefner, died last September. No man has done more to destroy family values by making sex an end in itself. While the PLAYBOY philosophy was touted as the height of masculinity, it was really homosexual in essence. The following abridged article was originally posted in 2001.

        What sort of man reads PLAYBOY? by Henry Makow Ph.D

        He is fastidious about his appearance, his home, and his possessions. He wants as much sex as possible and chooses sexual partners mostly on the basis of appearance. He is self-absorbed and doesn’t want emotional involvement or commitment. He thinks a woman would stifle him and children would be a burden.

        Does this sound like homosexual behavior? It is also the masculine ideal purveyed by PLAYBOY magazine to men since the 1950’s…

        The similarity between the PLAYBOY and homosexual ideal is no coincidence. “The Kinsey Report” (1948) shaped current mainstream attitudes to sex. It championed unfettered sexual expression and became the manifesto of the counterculture and sexual revolution. 

        Kinsey said that deviant and unhealthy sexual behavior was so common as to be normal.

        Thanks to psychologist Dr. Judith Reisman, we now know that the “Kinsey Report” was a fraud. Alfred Kinsey, a Rockefeller-funded University of Indiana zoologist & self-described “sexologist”, pretended to be a Conservative family man. In fact, he was a child molester and homosexual pervert who seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to participate in pornographic home movies.

        Kinsey’s agenda, in Reisman’s words, was “to supplant what he saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian [sic] era with a promiscuous “anything goes” bi/gay pedophile paradise.” (Crafting Gay Children: An Inquiry, p.4)

        More than 25% of his sample were prostitutes and prison inmates including many sex offenders. Kinsey… said 10 percent of American men were gay when, in fact, only two percent were. 

        Kinsey and his team of pedophiles abused 2,000 infants and children to prove that they have sexual desires.

        Reisman concludes: “America’s growing libidinous pathologies… taught in schools… and reflected in our fine and popular arts, the press, law and public policy largely mirror the documented sexual psychopathologies of the Kinsey team itself.” (Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences.)

        The Kinsey Report inspired Hugh Hefner to start PLAYBOY in 1953… Playboy’s aim… was to hook men on the glossy fantasy. To do this, they had to prevent them from finding true satisfaction in marriage… Playboy offered itself as a reliable, comforting substitute for monogamous heterosexual love.” (Soft Porn Plays Hardball, p 47)

        Thus “sworn enemies,” Playboy & feminists, found common ground in their hatred of healthy heterosexuality expressed in the nuclear family. As a result of the (homo)sexual revolution, society now suffers from epidemics of family breakdown, pornography, impotence, child sexual abuse, sado-sexual violence, teen pregnancy, a cocktail of STDs and, of course, AIDS. The birthrate has plummeted by 60% since 1960 and is now below replacement level.

        Psychologist Richard Cohen, in “Coming Out Straight: Understanding and Healing Homosexuality” (2000) argues persuasively that, by having sex with men, the adult gay is trying to compensate for father-love denied in adolescence… He attributes lesbianism to a woman’s reaction to being rebuffed or abused by her father. He has cured hundreds of homosexuals but is under constant attack for undermining the gay political agenda, (i.e. redefining societal norms.)

        In 1973, the Rockefellers bullied the American Psychological Association into proclaiming homosexuality normal. Together with feminists (who believe heterosexuality is inherently oppressive), gays began to dismantle all heterosexual institutions: masculinity, femininity, marriage, the family, the Boy Scouts, sports, the military, and the education system. 

        Using their control of the media, the Rockefellers (i.e. Illuminati bankers) largely dictate our cultural sensibility. They are responsible for the obsession with pornography and the occult that pervades television, music videos and the Internet…

        Heterosexual morality… ensures that the most intimate physical act between two people expresses a commensurate emotional-spiritual bond. This is the only way sex can be truly satisfying for both men and women. It is also healthy for society because it provides for the natural and necessary outcome of sexual love, children.

        With Hugh Hefner’s help, Alfred Kinsey detached sex from love and procreation. He reduced it to titillation like an amusement park ride, or relief like urination. 

        In conclusion, the “sexual revolution” was really a triumph of perverse homosexual norms and values. The gay-feminist agenda is to redefine healthy as pathological and vice-versa and they have succeeded. 

        In 60 short years, almost all sexual constraints have dissolved and heterosexual society is reeling. The cultural and social breakdown will only get worse. We need a counterrevolution.

    • akmofo April 6, 2018 at 3:44 pm #

      Kaneh Bosm: The Hidden Story of Cannabis in the Old Testament
      youtu.be/w0bH6Z_OSp8

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:26 am #

      26 times

      Mathematically possible?

      NOT

  26. Wxtwxtr April 6, 2018 at 12:13 pm #

    Perhaps it’s just another Plata o plomo?

    Marijuana laws? No $$$! The drug companies are profitable in ways that only fascist cartels can be. And for them to spend $1 lobbying for $1,000 in profits is ‘just the way the game is played’. And the Jumpsuit Decal CongressCritters’ tiny slice of drug profits makes them wealthy enough to buy the prestige they think they’ve earned.

    And the Border Army? Having them play non-lethal “capture the flag” and “hide and go seek” to send the Invaders back would be a FAR better – and Article 4 Section 4 compliant – exercise than sending them overseas to die in the Sandbox.

  27. San Jose April 6, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

    It’s interesting to note the changes in buying cannabis in San Jose since it became recreational. There used to be a lot more pot shops in San Jose before it became recreational. Earlier, the shops appeared to be “guarded” by some scary looking gang types.

    Since Jan. 1, the only pot shops are located in non-residential areas–mostly under the flight path of the airport, or in highly industrialized areas with no schools or homes in sight.

    Compare this to Eugene, Oregon (I went through Eugene on my way to the total eclipse this past summer). There are more pot shops than 7/11 stores and gas stations combined. Pot is sold everywhere!

    I think it is wise to allow local municipalities to choose how to handle the situation in a way that best serves their community.

    Jen in San Jose

  28. K-Dog April 6, 2018 at 12:19 pm #

    I’m among those who would like to see the immigration laws honestly enforced. In fact, I would also like to see the 1965 immigration law reformed to admit far fewer people from any land into this country. We have economic and cultural interests to protect, and they would seem to be self-evident.

    I totally agree but they are not self-evident. The notion that it would be self-evident I understand because it most definitely does impact our economic and cultural interests but more mentation is needed to arrive at that conclusion than you realize. Once the conclusion is reached it is obvious, but not before.

    Yet the immigration issue is played not to protect American jobs but to advance the war on terror by making the immigrant a ‘boogeyman’ to be feared. A boogeyman that must be stopped at the border.

    But stopping illegal immigration at the border does not work, never has, and is expensive.

    A proposal:

    1. Leave the illegal immigrant alone.
    2. Put the employers of the illegal immigrant in prison.

    What will happen:

    Illegal immigration will end.

    But talk on illegal immigration today is only masturbation. The truth is more legal immigrants are coming in than illegal immigrants are nowadays. Forgetting about them makes any discussion about ‘illegal immigrants’ moot and the distraction it is intended to be.

    China is coming and many are already here. The actual scheme is to prop up our economy and kick the can down the road one more time to benefit our rentier class. The class that makes laws and lets it all happen. The class that makes money by having immigrants come to America. Chinese bring money with them to spend but political refugees and illegal immigrants don’t. Thats the difference. Consequently one you hear about at nauseum and one you don’t hear about at all.

    Being consumed by the fear of illegal immigration is being a patsy in a class war. I am not going to play. I won’t be terrorized.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 12:28 pm #

      1. Leave the illegal immigrant alone.
      2. Put the employers of the illegal immigrant in prison.

      Out of the mouths of pooches! A whole bag of kibble to you, my fine furry friend!

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 7:04 pm #

      Yup, great ideas. That would take down the big guys anyway. We wouldn’t have to make any changes anent illegals if we would just enforce current statutes.

      Legal immigration is a whole nother problem, and a huge one.

  29. Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 12:25 pm #

    Credit where credit is due, somethings are so simple that even mainstream conservatives intuitively understand them:

    *************************
    Most American politicians and policymakers routinely misjudge the intentions and goals of our adversaries, and they often invent a fantasy version of the regime in question that leads them astray again and again. One reason for this is that it is simply easier to project our assumptions about what a regime must want than it is to make the effort to see things as they do. Another reason is that many of our politicians and policymakers mistakenly think that if they try to understand an adversary’s views that must somehow mean that they sympathize with the adversary or condone its behavior. Instead of trying to know their enemy, our leaders would prefer not to for fear of being “tainted” by the experience. This lack of knowledge is compounded in some cases by the absence of normal diplomatic relations with the adversary. Our leaders are encouraged to take this self-defeating approach to international problems by a political culture that rewards the people that strike tough-sounding-but-ignorant poses about a problem and marginalizes those that seek to understand it as fully as possible.

    Our government’s frequent inability to understand how an adversary thinks and what an adversary wants is usually bound up with our government’s overestimation of its own power and a denial of the other state’s agency. If many of our policymakers invent a fantasy version of the regime to serve as a foil, they come up with unrealistic demands that they think the U.S. can force the adversary to accept. Because we fail to understand what the adversary is trying to do, we make demands that we ought to know will never be accepted. Because our government fails to take the other side’s agency into account, our policies are often crafted solely to punish and compel and rarely to give them an incentive to cooperate or compromise. We then claim to be surprised when this approach yields only intransigence and more of the behavior that we want the other state to stop.

    theamericanconservative.com/larison/why-the-u-s-fails-to-understand-its-adversaries/

    ***************

    Of course, all of this assumes that our “leaders” are actually acting in good faith and not harboring dark secret agendas – by NO MEANS a given! – but even so…

    • PeteAtomic April 6, 2018 at 9:17 pm #

      seems like a pretty fair assessment there

  30. stelmosfire April 6, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

    I do agree with immigration law. I am the son of an immigrant mother. She came over from Italy at the age of 3 in ’24 through Ellis Island and all that.The right way to do it. My Ol’ man and Father in Law fought in WWII. The father in law was was a dozer operator in “Operation Plunder” the engineers who crossed the Rhine in ’45. His best buddy disappeared in a cloud of red fog from a German “88”. My Dad was on a destroyer shelling Okinawa.

  31. stelmosfire April 6, 2018 at 12:48 pm #

    Hey Marlin, ya might want to refigure yer peas! 3.5 inches of snow the other day and more today.! O3 Is probably gettin’ worse!

  32. pequiste April 6, 2018 at 12:55 pm #

    Rather than just bellyache about the immigration disaster in America, I should like to proffer, if not a solution, then at least something to consider to ameliorate the current situation:

    1. An immediate halt to all immigration, legal and illegal.

    2. Clear the entire backlog of all persons desiring legal immigration into the U.S.A.

    3. Returning to the Immigration and Naturalization Service policy of Alien Registration.

    4. Deporting all incarcerated criminal aliens. Summary legal proceedings with chilly labor camps in the Aleutian Islands for all new convicted violators of in-place immigration laws.

    5. Instituting a minimum 20-year moratorium on all immigration to the U.S.A. ALL.

    6. The president should convene a Blue Ribbon Commission, as soon as practicable, comprised of the best and brightest minds from across the spectrum of human activity, to determine what shall be the near term and strategic impacts of the robotics and A.I./A.G.I. revolutions on the Human and animal populations of the nation (the whole world also) as well as the situation regarding the management of all natural resources.

    (My greatest fear and dreaded suspicion is that the most advanced secret Super and Quantuum computing models have already been executed and projected to the dawn of the 22nd century; that we are in a word “toot fukay” hence the Devil May Care attitude of every and anybody in-the-know or in-power.)

  33. Gonga Din April 6, 2018 at 1:59 pm #

    So, it looks like the U.S. is home base in a global game of Ringolevio.

  34. janet April 6, 2018 at 2:00 pm #

    The sanctuary city movement seems to me the most mendacious element of the story, a nakedly emotional appeal against the rule of law. –JHK

    Another mighty conundrum? The lie of “the sanctuary city movement” is another mighty myth … perpetrated by Trump and the Republicans!

    SANCTUARY CITIES DO NOT EXIST … they are unicorns, mermaids, and Bigfoot all wrapped into one, whose purpose is to manipulate the immigration debate.

    Local city or state officials delude themselves into thinking that they can influence federal policy—in this case, U.S. immigration policy. They can’t, and they don’t.

    Words on a page certainly don’t mean anything at 3 a.m. when an illegal immigrant is pulled over for drunk driving, and police call Border Patrol to the scene. These declarations are especially meaningless to a federal agency like ICE, which is busy filling a yearly quota of 400,000 immigrant removals. Obama didn’t rack up more than 2 million deportations in six and a half years by deferring to meaningless declarations by local officials.

    Jim, you are just enabling the Republicans by riling people up over things that do not exist. Yours is the mendacious “emotional appeal” … writing about something which does not exist. Sanctuary cities? Ha!

    • bhnj13 April 6, 2018 at 2:34 pm #

      sanctuary cities are defined as municipalities where the local police has pledged not to ask or report about peoples immigration status. they do this to maintain a working relationship with all the residents of their jurisdiction, thats the idea anyway, to make sure illegals report crimes. they do exist and there are probably many hundreds of them across the country. theres dozens here in NJ, pretty sure i live in one lol.
      its not a literal “come move here and well protect you”, its a way local police forces have reacted to the fact that in a place like elizabeth, nj upwards of 20% of the city is “illegal” in some form and the cops need them to talk once in a while.
      sanctuary cities absolutely do exist and most likely act as a pull factor to encourage more illegal immigration, even though that was likely never really the point. they still do ice roundups in sanctuary cities and the local cops normally are involved in some manner.

      • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 4:29 pm #

        “sanctuary cities are defined as municipalities where the local police has pledged…”

        bhnj13,
        No…the police pledge nothing…they do as they are told by “competent authority”. This is a political issue, and has nothing to do with the whims of law enforcement.

        • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 10:08 pm #

          we got Sanctuary Churches.

          God bless them!

        • bhnj13 April 9, 2018 at 9:04 am #

          if the mayor, city council or other “competent local authority” instructs them not to ask, report or otherwise bring up immigration status (this many times only applies to investigations less than a felony) in arrests and reports, then that’s what they do. Many cities dont want their police forces working as subcontractors for ICE, they will assist ICE periodically though.
          Thats generally how it works around here (north-central jersey – probably hundreds of thousands of illegals in a 5-6 county area).
          Its not rogue police forces making the decision, it comes from the local political authority, as you suggested.
          The concept of the sanctuary city is probably carried out differently from place to place but thats my understanding of it. Main point being, THEY DO EXIST.

          • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 10:44 am #

            Our Mayor has stood down Trump’s deportation plans in the face of The Don’s threats to slash federal funding.

            Now we will oppose The Don’s census-baiting.

  35. PeteAtomic April 6, 2018 at 2:00 pm #

    Yes Jim, if you listen to NPR (or MPR, my local Minnesota radio branch) you hear a very consistent message that stresses globalism over localism. It’s very insightful about public radio & the mindset behind public radio. Consistently in their message, NPR does not give air time for other views other than this progressive/triumphalist one that equates greater global control to a better world. This also means multinational monopoly & a kind of economic imperialism by groups of multinational boards & syndicates which can and do (by international treaty mind you) enforce policy against express wishes of local populations.

    So, NPR may as well be the voice of Walmart, or Amazon corp.

    Hand in hand with this economic globalized voice, is one that is mirrored in the NPR cultural message. So, open borders are great and ought to be encouraged. The less sovereignty a nation has, the better.

    So, its propaganda is what it is. Multinationals that use power by undemocratically developed trade treaties to force communities to do their bidding is not a ‘good’.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 6, 2018 at 3:34 pm #

      And people think they are fighting the Corporations when they protest for open borders! They are doing EXACTLY what the Plutocracy desires. The antifa, the cat ladies, and the “kids” are all drooling morons.

      • PeteAtomic April 6, 2018 at 4:33 pm #

        I agree.

        • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:10 pm #

          The female head of PBS makes how much? Half million a year?

          I laugh when I think of the volunteers and fools donating money to the dreaded ‘Public radio.’

  36. PeteAtomic April 6, 2018 at 2:08 pm #

    BTW, if anybody wants to see a pretty unfiltered view of how a major political party operates, read “Hacks” by Donna Brazile. I’m part way through it. It’s very insightful. The democratic party under Wasserman-Schultz was completely out of control. She lost millions of donor money. It’s mind boggling.

    Brazile herself is coming across as a type of swamp creature. She is duplicitous, mendacious and Janus-faced person. She admits to unethical behavior by herself and others in such a banal manner that you’d think she was talking about next week’s weather, not the mismanagement of a major political party, or all of the shenanigans that occur. It’s really amazing.

    Her questioning of her own emails is outright bizarre. Were they faked by the Russians? she asks. This is even after she had admitted to helping HRC campaign many months earlier. It’s a fascinating read in they type of narcissists who are running the US political system.

    • PeteAtomic April 6, 2018 at 2:11 pm #

      the stuff about Seth Rich are another red flag to me. She says that she cried and called Rich’s parents when he died. She also reports that the DC office of the DNC was very affected. These are actions and feelings for someone who was not “just some low level intern”. The interim head of the DNC isn’t gonna cry for you if you some errand boy. She also states that as DNC chair, one of her goal was to “find Seth Rich’s killer”. Interesting.

      So, I found it very telling. I don’t know who or what killed Rich. However, Brazile’s admission, Assange’s appeal, and technical evidence that the leak must have been done in person by the rate transfer– point to Rich as the leak in the DNC.

      Things keep coming back to Seth Rich.

      • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm #

        You tube, George Webb.

        And the song ‘Killary Clinton Body Count Song’ at Truth Factory.

  37. FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 2:36 pm #

    Why the New Cold War is Impossible

    Only now American experts have started talking about those aspects of Putin’s message to the Federal Assembly that confirm my theories and justify the conditional name of the “ultimatum” that I gave to his message without even hearing it through. But I’ll start with two bad news, one of which is actually good:

    “Washington Examiner” in response to the tests of new ICBM “Sarmat” decided to reassure its readers in the sense that, despite the success of the tests, the US will still win a nuclear war
    washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dont-worry-the-us-would-win-a-nuclear-war-with-russia

    The main republican channel claims that Russia will inevitably lose a new cold war, and therefore it should not go for it
    foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/03/here-s-why-russia-would-lose-second-cold-war-and-would-be-unwise-to-s…

    This is a preliminary attempt to answer the question of how Russia can win the second cold war as well, despite the difference in economic power, as the authors of the second article emphasize. And it may very well be that this kind of analysis, conducted by one of Trump’s advisors, will finish the cold war off before it emerges from the hole in which it sits now.

    And why the first article is bad news is understandable, but to understand why it is good news is not so easy. And in order to explain this, we must first turn to absolutely good news: humanity is slowly but surely moving from the edge of the nuclear abyss, and not toward it, and it happened in a perfectly miraculous manner, including thanks to your prayers, which is important to remember these days.

    The most dangerous moment was June 22, 2015, when General Breedlove demonstratively concentrated on the borders of Russia quite significant forces allegedly for exercises to repel Russian aggression.

    Moreover, the system to intercept the response Russian counter attack on the basis of SM-3 missiles and radars in Poland and Romania was already in place, but at that time Russia had not yet tested Calibres, Iskander-M, Buyanv-M, nor modernized Tu-160, nor a group of repaired and modernized nuclear submarines: K-266 Orel, K-44 Ryazan, K-114 Tula, K-419 Kuzbass, K-335 “Cheetah”, B-336 “Pskov”, some of which in fact became fourth generation boats with the potential of the first strike, as well as BS-64 “Podmoskovye” (K-64) which, after modernization, became a carrier of Status 6 drone that can take the responsibility to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy, if it will decide on a sudden nuclear attack on Russia.

    Suffice to recall the island of La Palma and the volcano Cumbre Vieja off the coast of West Africa, which, without Status-6, can explode at any time and slide to great depths, triggering mega tsunami that’ll drown the whole of England and much of Scotland, as well as the whole of Western Europe and all the east coast of the USA up to Philadelphia.

    And this saves Russia from the need to compensate 10 to 1 for the progress in the strength of the first disarming strike by the United States, a tactic which led the USSR to defeat in the Cold War. And if the Politburo, instead of punishing Andrei Sakharov as a dissident, listened to his recommendations as a physicist, the outcome of the 20th century could’ve been quite different.

    Indeed, most of the US population lives on the coasts and if you look at the three-dimensional map of the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, it immediately becomes clear that very specific islands and simply cliffs on the seabed are more than enough to enable Status-6 to turn them into the many islands similar to La Palma.

    And this makes the idea of EURO-PRO, which obviously can not intercept the pre-emptive strike of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, but can theoretically intercept relatively small counter-strike by remaining after Instant Global Disarming Strike Russian, missiles, meaningless.

    All this was quite officially stated in the magazine Foreign Policy at a time when such articles were used by superpowers to exchange threats prohibited by the UN Charter.

    The Rise of U.S. Nuclear Primacy By Keir A. Lieber and Daryl G. Press
    acamedia.info/politics/escalation/nass/The_Rise_of_U.S._Nuclear_Primacy_%7C_Foreign_Affairs.pdf

    The End of MAD? The Nuclear Dimension of U.S. Primacy By Keir A. Lieber and Daryl G. Press
    belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/files/publication/is3004_pp007-044_lieberpress.pdf

    Meanwhile, without reading these two articles, one can not understand not only Putin’s address to the Federal Assembly, since it is in some way a response to these articles, but also the appearance of Medvedev in the presidential chair and all that came of it.

    Namely, the refusal of Russian representatives from vetoing the no-fly zone over Libya, the transfer of Gaddafi’s weapons to the Syrian rebels, the outbreak of the civil war in Syria that gave birth to ISIS, and the accusations of Assad in the use of chemical weapons that had resonated in Ukraine in 2014 and in the Baltics in 2015, when the danger of nuclear war was much higher than now.

    I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the above-mentioned strengthening of the Russian army has practically restored the military-strategic parity with the United States lost by Russia as a result of the collapse of the USSR, without taking into account the achievements of the Russian military-industrial complex, which Vladimir Putin described in his message to the Federal Assembly on March 1, the most interesting detail of this story, which allows us to draw far-reaching conclusions, is that in 2017-2018 five more nuclear submarines should go into service.

    K-461 “Wolf” to finish the modernization in 2017
    K-328 “Leopard” was supposed to finish modernization in the first quarter of 2018
    K-157 “Vepr” was to finish the modernization in 2017
    K-114 “Tula” which was to be transferred to the fleet in 2017, but it may have happened in March 2018
    And also K-561 “Kazan” 885 project “Yasen-M”, the transfer of which to the fleet was scheduled for the first quarter of 2018, but is delayed for a year.

    Moreover, the history of the last two submarines in this list makes one look at the remaining submarines and the history of the “Norman ultimatum” from an unexpected point of view.

    kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-spectacle-so-far/#comment-245104

    Firstly, after the elections in 2016, Russia ceased to advertise the transfer of new submarines to the fleet, and secondly, K-561 Kazan will become the most powerful Russian nuclear submarine due to the new Russian weapons installed on it. And I do not rule out that three more Yasen-M and four Pike-Bs are now installing missiles with nuclear engines and unlimited range, as well as torpedo tubes that can launch Calibers and Onyxes, which will significantly increase their combat capabilities

    According to my calculations, Russia lost about $60 billion on accelerated modernization, but Putin went for it, since a stitch in time saves nine and
    Combat-ready nuclear submarines were needed by January 2017, when Hillary Clinton was to become president of the United States.

    That is, Putin quite seriously believed that she would start a nuclear war and only the submarines which had joined the force could stop this threat.

    And this means that the “Norman ultimatum” is a reality and Putin in Normandy in June 2014 was indeed threatened with a nuclear war if he sends troops to Ukraine, and in June 2015 were preparing to execute on that threat.

    kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-spectacle-so-far/#comment-245104

    But the Lord God did not let the evildoers and stopped their hand, under the shadow of which fell the entire mankind.

    • Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 2:50 pm #

      Thing is Finc, it’s not another cold war they’re after. They’re determined to make this one hot, while the US still stands a snowball’s chance in hell (barely!) of actually winning, or at least not getting totally annihilated first.

      • FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 3:11 pm #

        Exactly. The choice is binary: Detente or Nuclear War.

    • elysianfield April 6, 2018 at 4:36 pm #

      Yooou might be a Revanchist if…

      Your heart swells with pride at hints of New Mother Russia’s secret weapons….

      Komaraden Finc,

      …You ‘Murican or what?

      • FincaInTheMountains April 6, 2018 at 5:57 pm #

        Yes, I am. Sworn to allegiance by a Judge in Chicago.

        Do not have any other citizenship.

  38. janet April 6, 2018 at 2:47 pm #

    “they still do ice roundups in sanctuary cities and the local cops normally are involved in some manner.” –bhnj13

    !!!!

    By definition, if ICE is still rounding up people in your city, then that city has provided no sanctuary to those people rounded up. There is not one city in the USA where people are protected from ICE roundups, because sanctuary cities do not exist.

    By the way, ICE sometimes makes mistakes, rounds up legal American citizens, incarcerates them, and deports them. Or, sometimes American citizens are held for years by ICE and never compensated.

    “U.S. Citizen Who Was Held By ICE For 3 Years Denied Compensation By Appeals Court”

    npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-…

    No one is safe from ICE roundups, legal, illegal, native-born, with or without papers. There is no sanctuary from ICE sweeps.

    Where are all the Republicans, conservatives, and libertarians who should be protesting, who normally cry about the big bad federal government, posse comitatas, “state’s rights” and heavy-handed federal authority overriding local rule?

    • JohnAZ April 6, 2018 at 4:41 pm #

      They are all in Washington trying to figure out a way to get rid of the big interloper, GGG. One of the great falsehoods of D.C. and the Deep State is that the GOP believes in smaller government.

      It would help the immigrant problem if we would not put out a welcome mat southward for a period of time and then fold it up and make it disappear. I am in favor of the Wall but am afraid that even if it is built the politicos will make it worthless. If the wall is there, the ports of entry will be corrupted. The only way to solve the problem is to build an effective barrier then put together a fair and effective system for immigrant entry. The problem is that no on either side of the aisle really wants to solve the problem. With good border control, ICE becomes superfluous.

    • bhnj13 April 9, 2018 at 9:24 am #

      Again the concept of the sanctuary city is not about literally protecting people from the federal government, the feds are gonna do what theyre gonna do. Its about not using local police to enforce federal immigration law and become de facto ICE goons. Thats it. Thats the whole point. Places where the local leadership subscribe to that train of thought call themselves sanctuary cities as in “we we will not arrest you for jaywalking or a fender-bender and hand you over to the feds”. Thats the type of sanctuary that theyre giving. Its not a literal “we’ll protect you from ICE”. Theyre just promising to leave them alone, save for violent acts.
      Sanctuary churches on the other hand actively protect people from ICE.

      • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 10:46 am #

        “Sanctuary churches on the other hand actively protect people from ICE.”

        God bless them

  39. Ol' Scratch April 6, 2018 at 2:48 pm #

    LOL! LOVE the pejorative language! Propaganda much? Pot, kettle, black, and all that.

    Trump Administration Imposes New Sanctions on Putin Cronies

    nytimes.com/2018/04/06/us/politics/trump-sanctions-russia-putin-oligarchs.html

  40. volodya April 6, 2018 at 3:37 pm #

    This is a multi-headed dragon to deal with because immigration policy is bound up with trade and investment arrangements and electoral and military strategy.

    But all of it boils down to this: a re-allocation of wealth and income upwards to the richest Americans.

    This reallocation was the intent from the beginning. An enormous amount of effort was expended in its achievement and a lot of money too with multiple presidential administrations complicit as well as a multitude of congressmen.

    And the effort went as granular as government employed trolls on this website touting for the bundle of policies that resulted in what is commonly referred to as “globalization”.

    And this reallocation of wealth and income was what we got. It’s not as if this was done in secret. It wasn’t, it was done with full public discussion with propagandists promising a golden age of millions of new jobs for those whose livelihoods were offshored, those same propagandists promising that despotisms like China would liberalize and democratize. If it was a conspiracy of the rich and powerful, it was one done in the full light of day.

    Of course the promises were pure bullshit, China didn’t democratize, quite the opposite, and not only that but it also rose to challenge American power. And those people in the interior of America found their livelihoods, their future prospects and their communities wrecked.

    But it doesn’t stop there. The election of Trump was also the result, and, insofar as similar same policies ruined the bottom 50% of income earners in other countries, Brexit too. And add to that a menagerie of nationalist parties all over Europe.

    “Globalization” has been a world-wide calamity, immigration to the US a central part of it, but only a part of it. If you want to deal with this Hydra-headed monster, you have to deal with all of the heads.

    • akmofo April 7, 2018 at 7:03 am #

      Expose the Vatican/Jesuit China connections, and put the Vatican pedophile pedarasts in jail. Xi Jinping thinks he has cards to play because he doesn’t face criticism from a hostile media at home. Nor does he need to front up to a hostile domestic opposition. They’re all in jail. The play is to undermine Trump’s support by targeting the electoral base with tariffs on imports from farming states and Texas. Targeting the big technology companies will elicit China lobbying from the swamp. Same for Chinese chirps aimed at undermining stock market support levels. But all that is nonsense compared to what the US can do to China. The US can end the Chinese Empire as we know it today. It can end all energy imports to China and literally send the Chinese Commies back to 1800s to their previous mud life in their rice paddies and the permanent perfume of cow shit fertilizer.

      • volodya April 7, 2018 at 9:57 am #

        Perpetual 500 billion dollar a year US trade deficits plus perpetual trillion dollar a year federal government deficits plus titanic household debt together and individually constitute an arrangement without a future.

        You just have to look at the ruined condition of Americans and their communities in the US interior to know that this economic system and the business models based on it are unworkable.

        A blockage of Chinese exports to the US will have the effect of making Chinese based factories non-viable. Unless, that is, the men running China decide to create a class of Chinese consumers capable of buying Chinese factory output.

        The Beijing based blood-sucking vampire squid with the billionaire communists that make up its central nervous system is orders of magnitude more powerful than the one from Wall Street. Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan may think they have mastery. They may corrupt and subvert governments. But they don’t directly give orders to legions of police and military. American oligarchs may think that money is power but they will learn otherwise and it’s the boys in Beijing that will teach them.

        As far as China’s targeting soybean farmers in America’s Trump country, they’re also targeting Chinese pig farmers that use it as feed and the Chinese consumers of pork products.

        But Trump is right, the advantage was handed over to China a long time ago. Whether or not the system can be reformed is another thing. I say it’s not fixable. There’s too much opposition. American oligarchs won’t have it and neither will the American Deep State.

        • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:13 pm #

          Not that long ago. Under Clinton.

        • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 6:42 am #

          The class of Chinese consumers you speak of, is sitting in their Canadian and Australian mansions buying Canadian and Australian goods.

          As long as this economic war is fought in US dollars, and it is, I have little concern as to who is going to win it.

          • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 10:19 am #

            “The class of Chinese consumers you speak of”

            many sit in their safety deposit boxes in the nyc sky.

  41. janet April 6, 2018 at 5:25 pm #

    “It would help the immigrant problem if we would not put out a welcome mat southward for a period of time and then fold it up and make it disappear.“ —john az

    I have been to four states along the border with Mexico. What I saw was a tall iron curtain, very imposing. Not at all a “welcome mat”.

    Besides the net migration (those leaving and those arriving) across the southern border has been ZERO for several years now.

    When is ICE going to arrest the business owners who illegaly employ people without citizenship documents? My guess is never. Some can break the law with impunity.

    • JohnAZ April 7, 2018 at 2:20 am #

      The welcome mat I was referring to is the policies that encourage folks in Latin America that if rhey reach out border they are home free. If the border was controlled and people knew what to expect it might slow down the influx pressure so that everyone wins.

  42. Pucker April 6, 2018 at 5:34 pm #

    “…universal wishful thinking.”

    Sign on the church reads: “God Wants to Forgive All of His Children’s Stupid Fucking Bullshit. All the Bad Decisions, and Low IQs Will Be Forgiven Next Sunday.”

  43. Pucker April 6, 2018 at 5:39 pm #

    Ironically, perhaps one of the most powerful inducements of US Green Card holders originating from “Shithole” third world countries to get US citizenship is that US citizens can collect their US Social Security checks in their respective “Shithole” countries and comparatively “Live Like Kings” there. Go figure….

    • pequiste April 6, 2018 at 7:29 pm #

      You are on the right track with this Puck. It’s called working the system.

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:14 am #

        If they really planned it out and carried it through didn’t they earn it?

        Oh stupid, me. Never mind, stupid question. Of course they earned it. Social Security after all. They paid in for years because that is the only way they could get Social Security in the first place.

  44. Pucker April 6, 2018 at 5:59 pm #

    Would you work “Really HARD” to be Cum Laude if you were a Queer History Major at Harvard?

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:10 am #

      If you really want to play with yourself use Magna or Suma!

    • elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 11:40 am #

      “Would you work “Really HARD” to be Cum Laude if you were a Queer History Major at Harvard?”

      Puck,
      I expect that the lab work would be a real bitch….

  45. pentrus April 6, 2018 at 6:13 pm #

    What I take from all this is that we are all well and truly fucked.

    • pequiste April 6, 2018 at 7:30 pm #

      With a long ways to go still.

    • Pucker April 6, 2018 at 7:58 pm #

      The Internet, particularly the readily-available porn, may screw everyone up mentally? People will secretly obsess about it and keep it a secret and compartmentalize it.

      • dannyboy April 6, 2018 at 10:14 pm #

        Not just the porn.

        Worse things on the Internet like this: “What I take from all this is that we are all well and truly fucked.” Doom porn.

        • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:06 am #

          Yes some have a truly irrational fear of DOOM and seek to shoot any messenger of it so that their slow and excruciating death results.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:19 am #

            “seek to shoot any messenger of it so that their slow and excruciating death results.” K-Dog

            Is all this gratuitous violent language necessary?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

            Krishna: Do not fear the slaughter, Arjuna: I have already killed all of these men. You’re is just the puppet’s hand I will use to fulfill the Destiny I have written. Therefore Strike, and win glory on Earth. Should you fall, you will attain the Glory of Heaven.

            Janos: If you fail in your duty as a warrior (because of cowardice or sentimentality), you will lose both earth and heaven, a laughing stock to your peers of the Warrior caste. No one says you should enjoy killing per se, that’s not the point at all. Violence without hatred or enjoyment is the Ideal of the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord’s Song – and the Ideal of National Socialism.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:22 pm #

            “Krishna: Do not fear the slaughter”

            Janos:
            Violence without hatred or enjoyment is the Ideal of the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord’s Song – and the Ideal of National Socialism.
            =============================================

            Do you believe that Krisha was talking about the slaughter of MEN?

            so you conclude that “Violence without hatred or enjoyment is the Ideal of the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord’s Song”?

            Do you believe that the BG, the LORD”S Song is about violence toward men?

          • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 3:04 pm #

            Krishna says, those who do not surrender to Me in Life will do so against their will when I come as Death. God is killing everyone Danny. As He says, All things follow my Will in all respects. The question is not whether you will follow His Will, but if you will do so consciously or unconsciously, willingly or unwillingly, His higher Personal Law or his Natural Law that all follow, even animals.

            This surrender to his Will is Karma Yoga – and in the case of Ksyatrias or Warriors, of course it means killing if that is what needs to be done.

            The other Yogas are also taught. The ultimate message of Bhagavad Gita seems to be Bhakti or surrender, with Karma Yoga as a subsidiary of that. Your favorite, Jnana, is also briefly taught, but not recommended for most as it’s very difficult for embodied beings in this Kali Yuga where people identify so strongly with their body and its identities – husband, father, brother, citizen, money man, Danny, Jew, etc.

            The modern ideas of Gandhi, Yogananda, et al that the violence is merely symbolic of killing the ego would destroy much of the framework of the Gita and is not accepted by traditional acharyas. Hinduism reject pacifism in no uncertain terms.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 4:00 pm #

            “The other Yogas are also taught. The ultimate message of Bhagavad Gita seems to be Bhakti or surrender, with Karma Yoga as a subsidiary of that. Your favorite, Jnana, is also briefly taught, but not recommended for most as it’s very difficult for embodied beings in this Kali Yuga where people identify so strongly with their body and its identities – husband, father, brother, citizen, money man, Danny, Jew, etc.” Janos

            Because you are so stupid I will try to be elementary. I perform Karma Yoga, The Highest among yogis (BG).
            =================================================
            The modern ideas of Gandhi, Yogananda, et al that the violence is merely symbolic of killing the ego would destroy much of the framework of the Gita and is not accepted by traditional acharyas. Hinduism reject pacifism in no uncertain terms.
            =================================================
            How has the Hindu philosophies panned out for its followers?

          • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:39 pm #

            “seek to shoot any messenger of it so that their slow and excruciating death results.” K-Dog

            Is all this gratuitous violent language necessary?

            ******************************************************************

            dannyboy – Knowing the lengths to which suppressors of certain facts of life will take on a personal basis I say the violent language expresses the actual zealotry and cruelty to which some of the true defenders of our status quo will go. Paychecks, money and career advancement are involved.

            So I give you a gratuitous YES.

            For all I know you are an armchair warrior and left hand does not know what the right hand does. But now you can consider yourself educated. Ever been gang-stalked by fusion center? It’s not fun. To say one feels alone in the universe when it is happening is not gratuitous at all.

            Purveyors of DOOM are for some reason very high in the lists of people to be watched. I do not know why this is true but I know it to be fact. I do have some ideas of what may be going on. There are people who ‘think’ about doom and can be considered normal if their awareness does not spin them off into depression. There are also those without an emotional but not intellectual attraction who could have a high propensity to go postal. These emotional basket cases believe in doom for different reasons and are a separate group but that does not matter, the databases correlate them together.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 7:06 pm #

            “To say one feels alone in the universe when it is happening is not gratuitous at all.”

            no, we all need somebody

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:02 am #

        It is still a choice. You don’t have to look at it. Try not to.

  46. pequiste April 6, 2018 at 7:42 pm #

    A disgruntled citizen of Cuba, Somalia, Haiti, or SHitholistan floats onto a deserted beach on a 2 X 4 in Florida and immediately gets a social worker, EBT card, cash assistance from some church and Section 8 housing. Medicaid is also on the menu of goods and services enticing the wayward wastrels of the world to come to the U.S.A. Express check-in with La Migra too.

    But I dare any of you CFNers who carry an American passport to show up at an American air or sea terminal from overseas travel without your passport and try to sneak into the U.S.A. Tell me how that works out for ya.

    We Americans are just plain profligate in all we do.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:25 pm #

      “But I dare any of you CFNers who carry an American passport to show up at an American air or sea terminal from overseas travel without your passport and try to sneak into the U.S.A. Tell me how that works out for ya.”

      My partner flew back with me from Italy without passport.

  47. Elrond Hubbard April 6, 2018 at 7:48 pm #

    Op-Ed Contributor: Only a Country Like Canada Could Produce a Guy Like Jordan Peterson

    By Jesse Brown
    Mr. Brown is a journalist in Toronto and the publisher of the news site Canadaland.

    nytimes.com/2018/04/06/opinion/jordan-peterson-canadian-deference.html

    TORONTO — There is a certain image that Canada projects to the world, one that is particularly compelling to Americans. It’s the image of Canada as a tolerant, progressive, kind and humanitarian nation, populated by mild-mannered and polite people. The idea of Canada the Good — a Scandinavian-style socialist democracy, with the added bonus of multicultural harmony — is an attractive one, helpful in providing Canadians with some kind of national identity, and left-leaning Americans with a handy rhetorical device for political arguments: Look at what’s possible, right next door!

    But it’s worth remembering that this image of Canada, currently personified by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, is a relatively recent construction, largely put forth by Mr. Trudeau’s father, former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. Before that — and for most of the intervening years, between Trudeaus — the public face of Canada has looked a lot like, well, Jordan Peterson. Mr. Peterson is the University of Toronto psychologist who leveraged his defiant stance in 2016 against a human rights bill concerning gender expression to become, arguably, the country’s most famous academic ever.

    Canada is home to many more Jordan Petersons than Justin Trudeaus. Mr. Peterson is — to use one of his favorite terms — something of a national archetype, the default setting of the Canadian male: a dull but stern dad, who, under a facade of apparent normalcy and common sense, conceals a reserve of barely contained hostility toward anyone who might rock the boat. To these types, those who make a fuss are bothersome and ignorant at best, and probably dangerous and destructive too.

    This is a mind-set with deep historical roots in the Great White North. There is, for example, no national mythology surrounding the idea of Canadian independence; that’s because try as our forefathers might, it’s not easy to construct an inspiring story out of representatives traveling to London to request greater autonomy while remaining within the British empire. This is how “peace, order and good government” came to be the Canadian answer to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

    Canadians may flirt with the occasional dynamic leader, but they never go too far. Our current prime minister came into office following the Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper, whose beige public persona lent a sense of dull inevitability to his technocratic and paternalistic tenure. Charisma is suspect here, and when Mr. Peterson uses that word to describe Mr. Trudeau, it’s not a compliment.

    Suspect, too, is any whiff of revolutionary spirit. Pierre Trudeau might have technically been a liberal, but he was the kind of liberal who declared martial law in 1970 when a bumbling handful of Quebec separatists were deemed enough of a threat to justify suspending civil liberties en masse. This skittish overreaction to a perceived threat to social order repeated itself in 2010, when the entire downtown core of Toronto went on police lockdown because of protests at the G-20 summit conference, protests that resulted in the largest mass arrests in Canadian history.

    Our politics reflect our sense of unease with anything radical. Liberals who think of Canada as a lefty haven should look to our most recent federal election: the New Democratic Party, ostensibly the major party farthest to the left, ran its last campaign on a platform of balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility. Not even the Green Party dares to suggest divesting from Alberta’s oil sands. As for Justin Trudeau, his dreamy-boyfriend brand suggests a departure from Conservative government policies that he has yet to deliver: On every issue, from peacekeeping to pipelines, carbon targets to Indigenous relations, Mr. Trudeau has largely continued the policies set by his predecessor. Even our pop culture reflects our national preference for stasis: Drake, the Torontonian rap superstar, is probably best known for introducing ennui to hip-hop.

    Canadian conservatism is not brash. It not belligerent, it is not loud. It is not Fox News. But our most popular columnists all deliver the same message: Things are the way they are for a reason. Those who agitate for change are stepping out of line.

    Which brings us back to Jordan Peterson. Consider his book’s sixth “rule for life”: “Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.” The message: Until you’ve cleaned your room and achieved perfect personal order, how dare you assume you have any business diagnosing the world’s problems, much less trying to fix them?

    He reserves particular ire for young activists. “I tell 18-year-olds: Six years ago you were 12 — what the hell do you know? You haven’t done anything,” he says. “You don’t have a degree, you haven’t finished your courses, you don’t know how to read, you can’t think, you can’t speak.”

    “It’s just not right,” he says, “to tell people in that situation that they should go out and change the socioeconomic structure of the culture!”

    Delivered as a fiery sermon, this impassioned plea for humility and self-improvement gets laughs from Peterson fans. But in practice, it’s actually an argument for submission to the status quo that would have prevented any number of people, from the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to Emma Gonzales, from ever speaking up.

    Americans are raised to believe that individuals, even flawed ones, can indeed change the world, and sometimes should. Canadians, for all that we’ve managed to construct a society that Americans sometimes envy, lack this ethic. The resulting mind-set, disdainful of idealism and suspicious of ego, is one we are now, evidently, exporting.

    To his growing fan base of disaffected men in America and around the world, Jordan Peterson is considered a heroic figure of historical importance, the man who finally said “Enough!” to political correctness run amok, to mobs of rabid Social Justice Warriors, to an ideologically driven “leftist-Marxist” movement hellbent on destroying Western civilization itself.

    It is worth remembering that Mr. Peterson can be more accurately described as a previously obscure Canadian academic who believed, erroneously, that he would soon be forced by law to use gender-neutral pronouns and who refused to bow to that hypothetical demand. The proposed human rights policy that made Mr. Peterson famous is now Canadian law, and no instance of “compelled speech” has occurred as a result of it or resulted in criminal charges, as Mr. Peterson feared. On the issue of legal requirements for pronoun use, things remain the way Mr. Peterson wanted them — the same.

    Mr. Peterson was taking a stand not against power in that instance but on behalf of it. His acolytes, some of whom might consider themselves to be walking in the tradition of rugged American individualism, should note that they are in fact taking marching orders — “Rules for Life,” no less — from a line-toeing Canadian, preaching a philosophy not of American defiance but of Canadian deference.

    TL;DR: Jordan Peterson is actually making the world more Canadian. In a bad way. So… yay, us? (NB: I support Jesse Brown’s Canadaland website via Patreon.)

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:33 am #

      That was a thoughtful well written article. The perspective revealed that Peterson merely reflects a particular brand of conservative Canadian values is interesting. I see it.

      Yet these values draw because the left stopped being left and became neo-leftist long time ago. The ‘workers’ party where nobody has or needs a job leaving plenty of time for trans-rights and other useless activities and diverted meaningless banter. Who did the diverting I don’t know but it happened.

      Classifying everybody as oppressed with ever finer and more arbitrary distinctions for no good purpose other than to experience raw emotion. A neo-left that unlike the old authentic left is not about making the world a better place at all. A neo-left that is about getting a big piece of the pie for themselves, the oppressed, because they feel ‘left’ out and nothing else.

      Once there was a left that wanted to lift everybody up together but that spirit, for whatever reason was co-opted by part-time idealists and people with no ‘workers’ skin in the game.

      People want answers and Peterson is trying to give people some. All the neo-left offers is an unfocused dog and pony show where everybody can have a two minute hate and never go anywhere.

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:35 am #

        If I don’t remember to use closing tags I’d better stop using markup. I shouted by accident.

        • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:21 am #

          There are no accidents

          (see my previous reply to your comment).

          • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:50 pm #

            It was an accident.

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm #

            like an “Act of God”

        • Elrond Hubbard April 7, 2018 at 12:18 pm #

          Yeah, I do that too sometimes. But I still can’t resist using tags. Why, oh why, isn’t there a way to edit/correct one’s own postings?

          Anyway, someone or other on this site was berating me for mocking Jordan Peterson without taking the time to listen to “what he’s actually saying”. That sounds like a valid criticism, but then I came across this:

          currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

          About two thirds of the way down, there’s a transcript from one of Jordan Peterson’s talks. The author of the article defies anyone, anyone at all, to summarize it. Check it out and you’ll see what Nathan Robinson means: no summary of Peterson’s rhetoric is possible, because there are no fixed meanings — Peterson isn’t ‘saying’ anything at all. It’s pure logorrhea.

          Aside from his obvious tendencies, Jordan Peterson’s opinions come guaranteed 100% gist-free.

          • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:19 pm #

            That is a long screed. I read much and skimmed the rest looking hard for what was there.

            Bottom line Nathan Robinson has hard on for Peterson and unnecessarily wasted my time because I did ABSOLUTELY not learn anything about Peterson I have not figured out ON MY OWN. Yet unlike Robinson I respect what Peterson has to say.
            Peterson is not issue free but he does have a valid message.

            Peterson’s message is to get your life in order. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone is a rather simple message. Consider Peterson summarize. I win.

            Mixed in and unrelated to Peterson’s message is his own ignorance of the left.

            PETERSON: I did compare them to Mao … I was comparing them to the left-wing totalitarians. And I do believe

            they are left-wing totalitarians.

            NEWMAN: Under Mao millions of people died!

            PETERSON: Right!

            NEWMAN: I mean there’s no comparison between Mao and a trans activist, is there?

            PETERSON: Why not?

            NEWMAN: Because trans activists aren’t killing millions of people!

            PETERSON: The philosophy that’s guiding their utterances is the same philosophy.

            Yet despite Peterson’s not understanding that the people who protest him are members of the neo-left who co-opted the Marxist heritage and called it their own, (likely with some behind the scenes conservative think tank help) I have trouble holding his feet to the fire because ignorance of Marxism and Socialism in the English speaking west is rampant.

            Workers parties where nobody has a job. Soldiers in the endless revolution who don’t know where food comes from. Socialists who drive by homeless people on their way to high paying jobs in comfortable German luxury cars. It’s a lizard zoo we live in and the lizards are drinking alcohol.

            I have better things to do than to get down on Peterson for getting the identities of the people who showed up holding signs and started screaming at him wrong. They claim to be left and he does not know the difference. Anybody can be a neo-leftist. You have to think to be a real one.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:00 pm #

            So you deny that Mao killed tens of millions of people? And that Communism as a whole killed over a hundred million in the 20th Century?

            There’s nothing good there at all. Socialism must be shorn of its Marxist detritus.

  48. Luhrenloup April 6, 2018 at 8:51 pm #

    Give someone $50 in any small town, America and challenge them to see how fast they can score an eighth of reefer — half hour max. Cui bono, one asks. The banks obviously would lose if it were to become legal. The government, big pharma, politicians. We are not a nation of laws but of opportunists. I’m ahead of the game if I can keep you from profiting. Marihuana prohibition is an issue kept alive by people like Sessions who strike a righteous pose when sticking it to the little guy while ignoring the mountain of corruption among his colleagues.
    The immigrant game is played by the political parties jerking these unfortunate people to and fro. They’re in they’re out, who knows from one administration to another. The truth is some states need immigrants in order to function, to others they are an economic scourge. This is never discussed much less addressed

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:59 am #

      An eighth would have been a ‘fortay’. I can’t imagine those prices.

      When people on the east coast pay twice as much for fun does it feel twice as good?

      • elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 11:45 am #

        “When people on the east coast pay twice as much for fun does it feel twice as good?

        Dog,
        Depends upon which end of the transaction you are on….

  49. fairguy April 6, 2018 at 9:33 pm #

    I would like to see the Left Coast break off from the USA and form its own country. It would be a country with a high personal income per capita, progressive in its policies and open to sensible immigration. It would embody the best of liberal democratic principles in contrast to the brutish, boneheaded approach currently advocated by our “leadership”. If in the process we lose the Atlantic blue states, ok. Let them deal with the middle America flyover states and their inordinate representation in Congress and Presidential elections.

    We can then read Kunsler’s rantings as those of a foreigner disaffected and frustrated with the destruction of democracy in his home country. Our borders will be open and so he’ll still be free to visit.

    Which states would be included? Primarily, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado. Idaho-Utah-Arizona-New Mexico-Montana-Wyoming might also be included – as our symbolic conservative states.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 1:49 am #

      Why would Conservative states want to be associated with the suicidal policies of California, Oregon, Colorado, and Washington? The eastern part of those states suffer intensely from these demented policies and resent it their lack of representation.

    • Linda April 7, 2018 at 3:41 am #

      fairguy, I live in Oregon. Not everyone has a high personal income. We’re having homeless problems all up and down the I-5 corridor and there are many conservatives who live here. You want a Utopia? Go find it somewhere else. We’re part of the US and i, for one, would like it to stay that way.

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 4:42 am #

      Progressive in its policies means getting in your business and telling you what to do. Progressive as in those who have progressively get ever more. No thanks!

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:24 am #

        “Progressive in its policies means getting in your business and telling you what to do. Progressive as in those who have progressively get ever more.”

        progressive as in progress

        • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

          As in progressing to Communism for the masses and Libertarian Capitalism for the elite. No thanks.

          • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 8:02 am #

            no

            only you believe these pre-designed delusions.

  50. Dumbedup April 6, 2018 at 9:40 pm #

    If you turn your attention away from politics for a moment you will hear the drums of war beating. We are (our leaders anyway) have fallen into a Thucydides Trap. Three US aircraft carrier groups are in and around the S. China Sea while China’s only aircraft carrier conducts live fire drills. Trump thinks his is bigger than Xi’s. I think they are both getting ready to drop trou and the world will find out.

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:01 am #

      drop trousers

      That would be a case of no matter which way you look it doesn’t look good!

  51. Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 1:27 am #

    technologyreview.com/s/610339/dna-tests-for-iq-are-coming-but-it-might-not-be-smart-to-take-one/

    Slowly and inexorably, but now faster, the Marxist hysteria of egalitarianism is being pushed back. The Jewish intellectual Pit Bulls of the Left are falling silent. They are wrong and always were. Many of them probably knew it but didn’t care. They only ever won by creating hysteria and social taboos. And now Big Money is getting into it, that’s the faster part.

    White Traditionalists were right. The Old South was right. Eugenicists were right. Nazis were right – on this issue at least.

    A Vast Revolution is building. Everything must change and will change. You can only stop it with more stupidity, hysteria, and terror.

    • elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 11:55 am #

      ” You can only stop it with more stupidity, hysteria, and terror.”

      Janos,
      Those human qualities are in great supply.

      Are you aware that in California, in the early ’50’s, it was legal to forcibly remove the retarded and insane from the gene pool?

      Forced sterilization

      Society understood then that it was for a higher good.

      But those were the bad old days….

      How do you like it now, Gentlemen?

      • elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm #

        And…the link;

        uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/CA/CA.html

        When I was first involved in law enforcement study, the forced sterilization law was still on the books…1964-5. Interestingly, one of the at-risk groups in this law was “chronic masturbators”…who among us would not be at risk?

      • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 12:47 pm #

        You’re conflating violence necessary to society with thuggery. As if the surgeon’s knife is no different than the switch blade. Yet no doubt you could hold forth about guns or car engines or orchards. This is the American character condundrum. Intelligence is never free but always trapped in specifics. And they choose a vicious smiler like Ike over an “egghead” like Adlai Stevenson.

        • elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 10:46 pm #

          Janos,
          I did not indicate that I was opposed to the law, nor the concept towards which it was written.

    • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 8:00 am #

      “White Traditionalists were right. The Old South was right. Eugenicists were right. Nazis were right – on this issue at least.

      A Vast Revolution is building. Everything must change and will change. You can only stop it with more stupidity, hysteria, and terror.”

      We all know you’re strokin’ right now.

      STOP IT

  52. GreenAlba April 7, 2018 at 7:11 am #

    Janos, could you clarify which bits of the Nazi eugenicist programme get your (Christian) approval? The bits where they murdered disabled people and the mentally deficient? I’m leaving aside the main bit for which you shamefully try to reduce the numbers and ponder on the ‘lack of ash’ (how’s that for the ‘banality of evil’?).

    Remember Rambo Jesus is listening. The one who is supposed to have said ‘ Inasmuch as ye did it unto the least of these my brethren, ye did it unto me.’ That guy.

    • Janos Skorenzy April 7, 2018 at 12:53 pm #

      In other words, you want the defective to breed and produce more of the same? They are preferable to normal people, right? Because how do normal people strengthen your Welfare State? I see right thru you and it’s not pleasant. You’re looking after your class and caste (middle, civil servant) interests at all times. No different than the Capitalists.

      Likewise, you want to overload the lifeboats until they sink. That’s justice, right?

      I didn’t create this flawed world. Don’t try to put that on me. The flaws have to be dealt with – and part of them means limiting them to the extent possible. You’ve accepted a lot of lies about Nazi Germany because they rejected your evil world system and the Banker parasites who subside it.

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:29 pm #

        Not enough ashes for you,

        Too many defective (disabled people and the mentally deficient).

        picky, picky

      • Walter B April 7, 2018 at 2:45 pm #

        Defectives breeding without regard of consequences or control from within or without, eh? There is a subject that can never be argued successfully either way and an issue that will never be solved. I would not even know where to begin to even discuss such a topic but I am sure it would not end well. From a man that has been accused of having an opinion on every issue, I got nothin’.

      • akmofo April 7, 2018 at 3:12 pm #

        Yan, I don’t prescribe to Darwinian Evolution, but since you bought into that nonsense, one of its main tenants for survival is genetic diversity. It’s not survival of the strongest or the smartest, but survival of the fittest. And one never knows what genes in the gene pool will prove useful under environmental stress. Case in point, Sparta is not with us anymore, but Athens is.

        • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:20 pm #

          And diversity is just what they praise to the skies but hate in actuality.

          Some things are universally desirable like strength and smarts. They never go out of style. But you are right: some seemingly unimportant alleles might prove very important. By mixing everyone together, such things are lost.

          • akmofo April 9, 2018 at 2:15 am #

            Nonsense. Recessive genes are not lost when mixed, they get expressed in one of four. What gets lost is the life of god’s children you murder when playing god. What you end up with is a barren dead solemn society. A society incapable of producing music or plays or songs or films or literature or art and science. A society like that of contemporary Europe. A soulless society of obedient drones like that of China and Japan, a society of Jesuit “perfection”.

      • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:36 pm #

        2 people w downs syndrome, married together, will have normal children.

      • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 8:48 am #

        Janos

        “In other words, you want the defective to breed and produce more of the same? They are preferable to normal people, right?”

        As usual your ‘in other words’ has no relation to my actual words. I did not ask for your views on coerced sterilisation. I asked for your views – specifically as a Catholic – on your hero’s policy, which was to put ‘the defective’ as you call them, to death. I am still waiting to hear that one.

        It would also be interesting to hear how you reconcile your views on the matter with your views on abortion. And possibly how your Catholic views on sterilisation of any kind relate to the official Catholic dogma on contraception.

        But the main question is the one about murder.

        “They are preferable to normal people, right?”

        You’ll have to ask your God about that one. It’s his domain, not yours, isn’t it?

        “Because how do normal people strengthen your Welfare State? I see right thru you and it’s not pleasant. You’re looking after your class and caste (middle, civil servant) interests at all times. No different than the Capitalists.”

        As usual you are talking utter b*ll*cks. I do not vote for ‘my class’ whoever they are.

        “I didn’t create this flawed world…The flaws have to be dealt with…”

        Again, you need to take that up with your God. I don’t recall him telling you to kill that part of his creation that offends your sensibilities or to try to make people more ‘equal’ by removing the lower parts (in your estimation) of it. I thought you were against equality and here you are trying to promote it.

        “You’ve accepted a lot of lies about Nazi Germany…”

        Now that’s almost funny. Almost. Except that humour and Nazi Germany don’t make good bedfellows.

        • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 10:22 am #

          “I am still waiting to hear that one.” – GreenAlba

          Give it up. Janos has never answered a single question that I posed to him. He hides. He’s got nothing.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 6:28 pm #

            Well, I try to remain hopeful, dannyboy.

            But here I am still waiting. Janos can’t answer the points above without denouncing either his pretend faith or his real hero. It has to be one or the other. Or waffling on about things that are entirely beside the point.

            He’s a cherry picker par excellence. He’s so used to cherry picking we could use him over here to make up for the EU workers who’ve got fed up with the insults and gone home.

            theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/09/lack-of-migrant-workers-left-food-rotting-in-uk-fields-last-…

            Seems we need him to bring 4300 of his friends along too.

          • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 7:56 am #

            “Or waffling on about things that are entirely beside the point.”

            He has built a life around this one principle. All the ideology has grown around it.

    • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:38 pm #

      the n word. worse than the n word for Blacks.

  53. VCS April 7, 2018 at 8:46 am #

    JHK does not see how the government can “take principled action” and enforce immigration laws “without first addressing its attitude to the marijuana situation…maybe the time has come for that discussion.”

    I agree. In recent decades marijuana prohibition has probably been the foremost factor contributing to widespread disrespect for the law generally. That erosive influence will surely continue until pot laws are changed.

    In fact, for the “war on drugs” to have any chance of success, pot must first be legalized or decriminalized. With that nonsense resolved, I would expect public support to crystalize in favor of stronger laws against hard drugs. And, as JHK opines, in favor of other reasonable laws generally.

    • VCS April 7, 2018 at 8:53 am #

      Another under-recognized negative effect of current marijuana laws: increased use of methamphetamines, synthetics like K-2, all sorts of “pills.” Basically anything that doesn’t give you dirty urine for the next month — so you can keep your job at the factory, nursing home, etc. The kids say that’s an important factor in small towns around here.

    • Ol' Scratch April 7, 2018 at 9:42 am #

      War on drugs = selective restriction of supply to support higher prices and profits for a few. Said profits are then suitably laundered through a variety of avenues and then applied to assorted nefarious dark programs, which, for obvious reasons, would prefer not be exposed to the spotlight of conventional revenue sources. An ingenious and sophisticated, albeit criminally derivative, plan if there ever was one. The follow-on effects – death and despair among the user classes, contempt for law enforcement and the law itself, and increased profits for the prison industrial complex and the national militarized police state – are certainly substantial in and of themselves, but are mostly considered the cherries on top of the final dessert presentation.

    • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 8:27 pm #

      I agree. In recent decades marijuana prohibition has probably been the foremost factor contributing to widespread disrespect for the law generally. That erosive influence will surely continue until pot laws are changed.”

      Nothing about recent decades, The erosive influence began the day the laws were passed. What makes things particularly odious is the refusal of any politician to put his neck on the line and fix thing. A stroke of a presidential pen would do the trick and that was true all eight years Obama was in office.

  54. ozone April 7, 2018 at 9:35 am #

    As JHK’s missive about a waffling and wealth-supporting congress shows, there’s been a YUGE awakening that “the government” can’t be trusted.

    For power and money reasons, they can’t get realistic about immigration. (Enforce the existing laws, douchebags!)

    For power and money reasons, they can’t get realistic about cannabis. (Let the states decide how their constituents would like it regulated… and f.f.s., take cannabis out of the DEA’s hands *completely*, douchebags! Let real research proceed, instead of leaving its harm-or-help designation to bureaucratic, sadistic moralists.)

    This issue of the census form citizen/non-citizen thing is not going to be answered honestly anyway. It would be helpful to know just how many illegals there are for obvious reasons… but boy, you can sure smell the fear coming off of this proposal before it even gets into print.

    To go to pot or not; that is A regulatory (taxing) question. A large mistake I see being made is in how much skim state and local gum’mints are going to cream off. Too high a price and you’ve got the same enforcement problem you’ve had before, just in a slightly different form. Black market dealers will easily undercut these outrageous pricings. Overreach and overgrab makes a lucrative market once again! (douchebags)

    • Ol' Scratch April 7, 2018 at 9:48 am #

      In the interests of historic accuracy, it must be recognized that “the government” has been thoroughly infiltrated over the past 70 years or so and now represents an obscenely corrupt distortion of a genuinely legitimate government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” and all that rot. A good place to start in recognition of that fact would be simply by flying the flag upside down in recognition that the ship of state is under extreme duress.

      • ozone April 7, 2018 at 10:13 am #

        Ol’ Scratch,
        Yessir. I would have thought that the lies and distortions surrounding the Korean and Vietnam wars (not “police actions”, you filthy liars) might have made that abundantly clear.

        But noooooooo; wishin’ and hopin’ and the myth of righteous American goodness prevailed. “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” – Matthew Henry (1662-1714); also attributed to John Heywood (“Hey, would you help me across the road; I can’t see.”) of an even earlier date.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:27 am #

      “As JHK’s missive about a waffling and wealth-supporting congress shows, there’s been a YUGE awakening that “the government” can’t be trusted.

      For power and money reasons”

      …and I’m expected to provide them MORE about me?

      • ozone April 7, 2018 at 11:46 am #

        “…and I’m expected to provide them MORE about me?”

        DB,
        But of course!
        As some nightmarish character once said, “All the better to coerce you with, my dear.”

        • ozone April 7, 2018 at 11:58 am #

          …Actually, that should have been a brief dialogue:

          Little Rude Citizenhood:
          “My, what a great big pile of data you have!”

          Big Bad Brother:
          “All the better to coerce you with, my dear.”

          • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:31 pm #

            I got enough troubles with the Feds

            And the State.

            City has been kind to me, so I reciprocate the love.

          • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:39 pm #

            that is funny!!!

      • capt spaulding April 7, 2018 at 7:34 pm #

        Of course you can trust the government, just ask the Indians.

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:26 pm #

      “Too high a price and you’ve got the same enforcement problem you’ve had before, just in a slightly different form.”

      50% works, though over time that may be tweak to a better balance. You forget the economy of scale and exploitation of low wage workers that is involved and consequent competitive advantage. Over time the independent player has no chance. And at the end of the day Americans want convenience. Americans will kill for convenience.

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:40 pm #

        “Americans will kill for convenience.”

        lazy or exceptional?

  55. Ol' Scratch April 7, 2018 at 9:57 am #

    This “news” seems to be about ten years too late, but it’s illustrative of the open depravity and contempt that the government now holds for its citizens. I’m sure our host is on several such lists already, and likely the most vocal of the regular commenters here as well.

    Homeland Security database would track journalists, ‘media influencers’: report

    foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/07/homeland-security-database-would-track-journalists-media-influencers…

    • volodya April 7, 2018 at 10:30 am #

      And those that get too big for their britches get a nasty knock on the forehead as a reminder of who gets a say in things and who doesn’t. Nobody who comments on this site gets a say and neither does our esteemed host. Big Brother is watching.

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:42 pm #

        “Nobody who comments on this site gets a say and neither does our esteemed host.”

        Please, I beg you, and implore you, and appeal to you generous nature…

        just speak for yourself.

    • JohnAZ April 7, 2018 at 11:26 am #

      The institution of the NSA and the very obvious fear that the Deep State has of its power to observe everything make it the largest invader of our privacy ever conceived. The latest “discovery” of its capability is shown in the treatment of its obvious competitor, Facebook. The idea that this company would use people data to create marketing strategies, how awful. That is what Facebook was created to do. Hey, you-all, do you remember the credit cards mailed to you twenty years ago. Then all of a sudden you were deluged with junk mail. Surprise! Facebook has just made a bunch of billionaires by adapting the practice to the computer and providing a communication service to the public. The bad guys here are the Deep State that do not want their power of observation diluted. If people do not want their data traded, or given to Russian trolls, do not put it into the data base, or better yet get out of Facebook. If you are unwilling, then your data is for public consumption. Facebook even gives the public privacy choices but its privacy procedures are difficult to understand and utilize so most people ignore them.

      This treatment of Zuckerberg is a bigger witch hunt than Russian collusion. People should be grateful to this young man for an invaluable service. My only criticism is that the access to information may be too large and especially too fast for normal human musing to control. Sort of like trading in the stock market, human judgement gets left behind when our AI is too fast. Facebook reactivity is probably best modeled with mob psychology, with all the negatives that go with it. The advent of AI into societal approval is being affected by this witch hunt, hence the reaction on the NASDAQ.

      The old adage, follow the money may apply here. Find out who benefits from Facebook’s discomfort, and find out how they are influencing the Deep State. Maybe it is just an excuse to ignore all the real problems that Congress should be addressing. But that is another subject.

      Just a thought. Maybe all of us cynical Right leaners would be more receptive to the Liberal point of view if the government was not such a corrupted cesspool. The liberal idea that the government should remedy the social issues is like fishing for dinner in the Love Canal. No thanks!

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:33 pm #

        obvious competitor, Facebook. <== No the d-state already has a back door and gets all Facebook data. All data already goes to the d-state. There are no competitors, only cooperators.

        This treatment of Zuckerberg is a bigger witch hunt than Russian collusion. <== Some scapegoating is necessary so the real surveillance structure is kept out of sight and out of mind. Zuckerberg's patriotic duty for being a billionaire. He will survive.

        You cynical righties would not know a left idea if you tripped over it.

        • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:44 pm #

          “You cynical righties would not know a left idea if you tripped over it.”

          These rightists believe that we Lefties are just the opposite of them.

          How offensive

          We are nothing like them.

          We progress, not regress.

    • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 5:14 pm #

      I’ve been barking about this for years.

      Purveyors of ‘Doom’ have a special place on the radar of Homeland Security. There is a belief that notions of doom attract unstable people who could become threats. We are all monitored, however discretely. The irony is, even here in the XXXXXXXXXX complaints have been made that the YYYYYYYYYY crowd attracts depressed people with dangerous depressed thoughts and negative energies. That is from the perspective of another flavor of doomer. Think of how total outsiders of doom, or as I know they do, think of us!

      290,000 global news sources. Ten percent of that could be 29,000 names. That leave room for us.

      The XXX and YYYs are well known ‘DOOM’ websites. I am quoting a comment I left at XXX yesterday where I am an Admin.

  56. volodya April 7, 2018 at 10:19 am #

    Mr Ozone, please do stop pointing out the obvious because the obvious is highly discomfiting. The truth is like an ugly, slimy thing farting and shitting in the corner that people of the polite classes simply do not want to acknowledge. Why? Because then it would imply that someone has to clean up the mess and shepherd the nasty creature off the premises.

    For example, the oft-touted number is that there are 11 million illegals living in the US. But how does anyone really know? Maybe the number is really 20 million or 25 or thirty million. Unless you take a head count you don’t know. Unless a census questionnaire is answered honestly it’s not possible to find out. As you say, what’s the likelihood of that?

    In any case, the truth in this instance is a shitty thing that the powers-that-be don’t want investigated. As you say, too much money involved in exploiting a marginalized and illegal work-force.

    The pot industry will get fucked up for the very reasons you state. The temptation will be to tax the shit out of it and in doing so you just ask the bikers and the Mexicans and the local growers to undercut it. This you can count on like night follows day.

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:39 pm #

      tax the shit out of it <== No. They will treat their cash cow well. All the benefits of liquor sales with only one fiftieth ((1/50)) the negative social repercussion. That statistic came from insurance actuaries. Funny they would know. It’s their job.

  57. elysianfield April 7, 2018 at 11:32 am #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    The BBC site, this AM, reports a van having been driven through a crowd of pedestrians in Muenster, Germany…several killed, many injured…driver committed suicide….

    …god is great….

    • JohnAZ April 7, 2018 at 11:37 am #

      The next report you will hear is the FBI and German intelligence telling us that this is not terrorism.

      • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 10:59 am #

        From the BBC:

        “The suspect’s motive and exact identity still remains unclear, but German media reported he was a national with mental health problems.”

        Other terrorist attacks perpetrated by Islamists have been described as Islamist terrorist attacks. Do you want this one to be described as an Islamist attack if it isn’t?

        • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 12:00 pm #

          It’s disgraceful that this long after the attack the media still wont report the name and identity of the attacker(s). This is why the MSM should be boycotted until they reform or until they go bankrupt. As things stand today, the MSM is a fraud and has no right to exist.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 12:17 pm #

            “the MSM is a fraud and has no right to exist”

            Absolutely, akmofo. All unapproved (by akmofo) media outlets should be closed down by executive diktat without delay. This afternoon would do nicely.

            They knew a thing or two, those Commies, about how to deal with the press…

          • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

            The commies called their propaganda outlets, Pravda and Izvestia, which roughly translate to english as Truth and News. They were neither. And neither is the MSM.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 1:57 pm #

            Do I need to give you a translation of the word ‘sarcasm’ as well, akmofo?

          • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 2:40 pm #

            No, but you will have to give me an explanation as to why these gov mafia propaganda outlets should be legally protected and not be sued out of existence on the basis of their continuous criminal mischiefs.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 5:53 pm #

            I’m not sure what the problem is in this particular case, akmofo.

            The person has been named (well partially) on the BBC website at least:

            “The 48-year-old driver shot and killed himself after hitting diners.

            “He has been identified in German media as Jens R – prosecutors say he was known to police.

            In 2015 and 2016, he had faced allegations of making threats, damaging property, a hit-and-run traffic accident and fraud, all of which were dropped.

            “The person in focus had [psychological] abnormalities” that needed careful investigation, regional interior minister Herbert Reul said after placing flowers at the scene of the attack.

            “He said there was no evidence linking the suspect to Islamist militancy, and that he was not a refugee.”

            I don’t accept your over-arching conspiracy theory, so I feel no obligation to explain anything on the matter.

            Your theories are your own affair.

          • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 7:45 pm #

            The problem is that I do not share your confidence in any of the parties involved.

            I don’t share your confidence in the German police
            I don’t share your confidence in the German government
            I don’t share your confidence in the EU government
            I don’t share your confidence in the media
            I don’t share your confidence in the media’s narratives

            It didn’t take much scratching the surface to show how corrupt and politicized the US government bureaucracy is. Same for the US law enforcement bureaucracy. Same for the US media. My experience is that things in the Europe are much much worse.

            What I want is the identity and address of the attacker(s) to be published, and reason why are they not. I want to know whose car was used. I want to know who the attacker(s) friends are. I want to know the attacker(s) full background. I want independent investigators to investigate the facts, not the gov mafia and its propaganda outlets. I want to know why this kind of a person is on the streets and on the loose. I want to see real consequences and not the usual whitewash and discharge down the memory hole.

            The are so many instances in which the gov mafia and its media were caught deliberately staging lies, deliberately lying by omission and by commission, that there must a robust legal mechanism to effect them out of business. This is what I’m asking for. I want these fsckers to pay for their lies and the damages they cause. I want them to pay both with lengthy prison terms and substantial monetary cost. I want to root them and their corruption out.

    • malthuss April 7, 2018 at 7:40 pm #

      if the driver was Muslim, he probably was a convert.

      Whats his name?

      BBC, I know its the HBC.

  58. FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 1:26 pm #

    Theresa May crossed the red line!

    Murder of Skripal’s cat outraged Russia more than all sanctions combined!

    gordonua.com/img/article/2402/13_tn.jpg

  59. dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 2:33 pm #

    youtube.com/watch?v=xS30bEO2aEU

  60. amb April 7, 2018 at 2:51 pm #

    When will enough of the population reach their limit of tolerating this corrupt government; its unnecessary and unnatural size; its over-reach into our personal lives and business; the idiotic Dem vs Repubs game; and since it is “in charge” of certain things, the fecklessness of our federal government (failure to resolve social problems with simple logic and common sense); and so on.

    I’m so weary of the insanity, corruption and chaos we live in. We are pathetic.

    • beantownbill. April 7, 2018 at 3:07 pm #

      I understand how you feel. It is the price you pay for idealism. These bad things have always been with us. As Robert Ringer says, reality is not the way you think things are, nor is it the way you want it to be. Reality is what it is. Doesn’t the Bible say there’s nothing new under the sun?

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 4:06 pm #

      “We are pathetic.” – amb

      Speak for yourself, I work very hard to progress.

      • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 5:05 pm #

        “Success usually comes to those who are too busy to look for it”

      • amb April 7, 2018 at 8:26 pm #

        So do I. That was not the point I was making. To clarify… We, collectively, based on statistics, progress, resolutions, etc. are pathetic.

        • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 10:27 am #

          I opt out of your “We”. Please do dot speak for me. Do not include me in your collective.

          I got mine.

  61. janet April 7, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

    “…no summary of Peterson’s rhetoric is possible, because there are no fixed meanings — Peterson isn’t ‘saying’ anything at all. It’s pure logorrhea.” –elrond

    Logorrhea. Lot of that going around.

    • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 5:50 pm #

      See what I wrote above.

      summary <== You have to clean your own room before you can say someone else lives like a pig.

      Elrond will have to help me figure out how to add the Canadian 'aye' at the end.

      Logorrhea <== Apparently multiple definitions compete. Peterson is a professor of Psychology and logorrhea has specific meaning there. There is an style of academic writing in general that also has characteristics of logorrhea. Then there are lovers of words who might be falsely accused of logorrhea. Yes there is a lot of logorrhea going around.

  62. FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 3:16 pm #

    Religious Foundations of the World Civil War

    This is precisely the anti-Christian war and even Hillary Clinton’s support for her favorite Islamists in Kosovo, Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Syria is due to the fact that Islamists, unlike Muslims who worship Issa, mercilessly destroy Christians who lived in these countries for millennia.

    And the fanatical hatred of the Black Project toward Russia, which distinguishes it from the Red and White projects, is the continuation of the Fourth Crusade, part of which was the Northern Crusades, that ended with defeat dealt by prince Alexander Nevsky to the crusader army led by the Livonian branch of the Teutonic Knights on April 5, 1242, at Lake Peipus.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice

    It is with this that support by the Black project of the USSR in 1930s is associated, when it seemed that after Trotsky seizes power, Moscow would become the capital of world anti-Christianity. Moreover, the Truman plot and the Cold War broke out because Stalin closed the Comintern during the Great Patriotic War and began building the Orthodox International as the basis of his geopolitics.

    And the actions of Hillary Clinton show that she understands that Orthodoxy is Christianity, and the clones of the Church of England in America are Christian because the Church of England has maintained its connection with Orthodoxy, which manifested itself in the desire of the Anglicans to move to Orthodoxy a little over a hundred years ago and in the Orthodox prayer, which ended the Republican Convention in 2016.

    The Red and White projects, unlike Black, do not understand that Orthodoxy is Christianity and for them the issue of mutual relations with Orthodox Russia plays a secondary role.

    Therefore, politicians in Europe and the US, when considering their attitude to social issues, move from Red into a White world project and vice versa, but this does not promote the convergence of Red and White world projects, but rather creates a conflict that the Black world project uses very cleverly, including to mobilize the Reds and Whites to fight Putin’s Russia.

  63. FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 4:33 pm #

    Historically, for the most part, Russia and the United States had relations of allies or rivals, but not a war of annihilation. Unlike with the Russian European “partners”.

    The current hype of an unnatural conflict between the US and Russia is depressing.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:47 pm #

      I again agree with you.

      You and I need each other.

      Same with Russia and the USA.

  64. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 5:32 pm #

    A bloke can satisfy all of his “Hero” fantasies (Soldier; Husband; Father; Rich Bloke; Big Dick; Do-Gooder Savior of Society, Social Justice Warrior, protector of women, football star, Rock Star, Rapper, Movie Star, Celebrity, Handsome Politician, etc.) by graduating Cum Laude from Harvard as a Queer History Major.

    Is it that the common cultural “Hero” fantasies of white and Asian males tend to involve a lot of social and individual responsibility, whereas the cultural “Hero” fantasies of blacks and Hispanics involve basically ignorant, macho irresponsibility?

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:50 pm #

      “whereas the cultural “Hero” fantasies of blacks and Hispanics involve basically ignorant, macho irresponsibility?”

      no, that is the fantasy of the White bloke who can’t graduate from Harvard.

      • Pucker April 7, 2018 at 11:45 pm #

        What is the closest thing to a “Queer History Major” at Harvard?

        • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 7:33 am #

          i don’t know

          not my field

  65. FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 5:57 pm #

    2018 Holy Saturday, Blessed Fire descending in the Church of Holy Sepulcher, Jerusalem.

    youtube.com/watch?v=nMcnSpn5oGo

    Blessed Fire is considered one of the wonders of Orthodox Christianity.

    The convergence of the blessed fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem occurs every year on Great Saturday on the eve of the celebration of the main Christian holiday – the Resurrection of Christ.

    The greatest miracle with the experience is expected not only by Orthodox Christians, but also by representatives of the most diverse faiths. Therefore, on this day, tens of thousands of pilgrims from all over the world come to the Temple of the Holy Sepulcher, wishing to wash with its blessed light and receive God’s blessing.

    The miracle of the convergence of the blessed flame on the Holy Sepulcher is known long ago. It is believed that the descending fire has unique properties – it does not burn the first minutes. According to the tradition of the Holy Fathers, the first witness of the convergence of the blessed light in the Holy Sepulcher was the apostle Peter.

    • FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 6:05 pm #

      A miracle that is unknown in the West

      One can ask the question of why the miracle of the Holy Fire is almost unknown in Western Europe. In Protestant areas it may, to a certain extent, be explained by the fact that there is no real tradition of miracles; people don’t really know in which box to place the miracles, and they rarely feature in newspapers. But in the Catholic tradition there is vast interest in miracles. Thus, why is it not more well known? For this only one explanation suffices: Church politics.

      Only the Orthodox Churches attend the ceremony which is centered on the miracle. It only occurs on the Orthodox date of Easter and without the presence of any Catholic authorities

      holyfire.org/eng/

      • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 11:05 am #

        “But in the Catholic tradition there is vast interest in miracles. ”

        There certainly is. Have a trip down to Lourdes and look at the vast extent of the religious tat you can buy every couple of yards. ‘Twas ever thus, even back in the Middle Ages.

    • FincaInTheMountains April 7, 2018 at 6:14 pm #

      It is believed that the year the Blessed Fire does not descend, will be the last.

      So, congrats! We have another year to live!! Huray!!!

      youtube.com/watch?v=J8Vj7B9oE1U

  66. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

    Society has to channel Violence into socially-acceptable forms, like Religion, Prisons, Education, Marriage, Football, Ice Hockey, Boxing, War, Work, TV, Government, Taxes, Oprah.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm #

      drop violence

      it’s not productive

  67. janet April 7, 2018 at 6:49 pm #

    Former Trump adviser Roger Stone said his doctor believes he was poisoned with polonium. The Putin puppet in the White House is a quick learner about silencing former employees and porn stars (until Clifford… she is smarter than 45).

    • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 7:32 am #

      but Roger Stone.

      (longer reply: no cred)

  68. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 7:11 pm #

    The Catholic “Mother Mary” myth is the female fantasy of getting fucked by Zeus, right?

    The woman can say that she’s “Special” because Zeus came down from Mount Olympus and boned her.

    • janet April 7, 2018 at 8:31 pm #

      Twas the holy spirit wot knocked up the virgin

      • janet April 7, 2018 at 8:40 pm #

        aka Holy Ghost

        (you can’t make this shit up)

        • Walter B April 8, 2018 at 6:23 pm #

          Class is not something that makes one person better than another, but lack of class most certainly degrades those who display such lack of quality far below those that are the object of such degradation. .

    • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 8:55 am #

      “The Catholic “Mother Mary” myth is the female fantasy of getting fucked by Zeus, right?”

      It wasn’t created by women, though, was it? So possibly it’s more to do with the madonna-whore complex, which isn’t attributable to female fantasy.

      • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:25 pm #

        I love the idea of women as prisoner’s of men’s dreams. Women who want to run with wolves can get eaten by them too for all I care. Hairy Lesbo legs will not move quickly enough to save them if the body above is obese, as is so often the case.

        • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 7:51 am #

          Sweet talkin’ the women, Janos?

  69. K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

    Open Letter to President Emmanuel Macron of France

    The invasion of Afrin by the Turkish military state has caused many tragedies. You must have smelt the blood of Afrin’s people even though Afrin is a thousand miles away from Paris. You must have smelt the destruction; smelt the destruction of hundreds of buildings and apartments as the people were not prepared to surrender. You smelt the killings of hundreds of women and children in Afrin whom the invaders denied the opportunity to safely leave the city. You heard of the father and daughter fighting together in one trench; you heard about NATO’s second largest armed force: Turkey. It took them 58 days to enter the city due to the resistance of the YPG fighters who have proved themselves to be the most valiant army in the world. In 2015, after the Kurdish forces` victory in Kobane against ISIS brutality, Nasrin Abdullah, commander of the Kurdish Women`s Protection Units (YPJ) from Kobani and Asya Abdulla, the co-chair of the Kurdish Democratic Patriotic Union (PYD) were welcomed by the then French president François Hollande at the Elysee Palace in Paris. Hollande congratulated the Kurdish leaders for defending Kobani against the ISIS terrorists. Since then I have thought about whether France’s bond of friendship with the Kurdish movement is real. The position of France towards the Turkish occupation of Afrin reminded me of the great writer and doctor Frantz Fanon, who was born in a French colony and wrote brilliantly, in ‘The Wretched of the Earth’, about the impact of French colonialism in Algeria and how France had harmed the Algerian people; this motivated me to reread the book and conclude that France’s outlook is still colonialist. Its silence until last week on the Turkish occupation and atrocities in Afrin is to me akin to being silent about the ISIS terror campaign in Europe and especially in France. France’s silence and turning a blind eye to the people’s tragedy in Afrin is an encouragement to the ISIS forces in Europe and everywhere else in the world. France must be aware that Istanbul, Turkey’s biggest city, is the biggest gateway for ISIS into Europe. The Turkish military junta is blackmailing Europe. <== Arian Mufid

    • akmofo April 7, 2018 at 9:17 pm #

      The Turkish military presence in Syria is a direct confrontation to Assad. Assad’s military is somewhat busy right now retaking Damascus, but after that it will be able to face the Turks. East of the Euphrates is where the oil is, and where the Kurds under US protection should be waiting while learning the operations of a modern army.

      • K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm #

        “Kurds under US protection” <== I hardly call being one tweet away from being annihilated by Russian Arms east of the Euphrates after being abandoned by America ‘under US protection’.

        The Turkish military presence in Syria is not in a direct confrontation to Assad. They will strike a deal with the Russians and be gone when Assad goes north. Retaking of Damascus seems to be complete.

        • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 6:11 am #

          The Kurds will have to learn to operate tanks and war planes and anti-tank and anti-war planes counter measures, and erect a real army. They have the oil fields and the money to allow for this. It’s way past they applied themselves to the task. No one is going to do this for them. No one is going to give them land that they can take for themselves, not Assad and not Erdogan.

        • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 6:25 am #

          There will be and there can be no deal with Assad. The war is now a religious war. The Shia in the Levant will be wiped out, it’s just a question by whom. The Kurds need to court the Saudis and strike a deal for weapons transfers and training from Saudia or Egypt.

          • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 9:08 am #

            “The war is now a religious war.”

            The war is for territory.

            The war is for oil fields.

            The war is for pipelines.

            Can’t we make up our minds here?
            Weakens resolve to scatter objectives. – The Art of War

          • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 9:28 am #

            It started a protest against corruption.

  70. K-Dog April 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm #

    To resist the Trump administration’s cruel immigration enforcement policies, Culver City, California declared itself a sanctuary city.

    The City Council passed a resolution in March 2017 declaring the city’s commitment “to protecting the safety, well-being and constitutional rights of its residents and the people of the State of California.” And yet, Culver City is preparing to contract with a private surveillance company that provides information to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), potentially endangering the lives of immigrants who live, work, and drive through this Southern California community.

    This year, Culver City’s police department announced plans to contract with Vigilant Solutions, a surveillance and data collection company that sells automatic license plate readers, or ALPRs. ALPR systems electronically scan the license plates of cars driving pass. The information collected is matched to dates, times, and location, and built into a database that reveals sensitive information about where individuals work, live, associate, and visit. Vigilant itself maintains a database of 2.2 billion license plate photos collected by its systems, which it has marketed successfully to over 3,000 police departments across the country. <== Mohammad Tajsar

  71. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 8:13 pm #

    Psychopaths have powerful mental processes that push them to loss of control and then self-destruction, right? Eventually, it will end in war, but leading up thereto with an irrational doubling down on traditional “solutions” that no longer work and mass societal delusion, right?

    • Pucker April 7, 2018 at 8:24 pm #

      Did you hear about the psychopathic squirrel that was fuck’n Nuts?

    • Pucker April 7, 2018 at 8:58 pm #

      Hillary and Bill Clinton came “unglued”. It’s just that the System covers for them, right? For example, Bill gets to fly to Africa and Haiti for The Clinton Foundation to help black kids aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s plane.

  72. amb April 7, 2018 at 8:24 pm #

    A benevolent dictator who just had an average IQ, mediocre grasp of key issues, and used decent judgement and common sense in his decisions about 50% of the time would be about a 90% improvement over our federal government.

    • Tate April 7, 2018 at 9:45 pm #

      Your benevolent dictator would have to be anonymous. I’ve often fantasized about this, how to set up a system of anonymous government.

      You get a questionnaire in the mail, randomly generated and sent to your address. You make the choices that seem best to you, return it in the postage-paid envelope. Thousands of peeps get the same questionnaire. Only one of them is the “dictator” for a month/quarter/year but no one knows who this is. No one would know who to vent their anger upon with unpopular decisions.

      Could it work? Has it ever been tried? Not to my knowledge.

      • Tate April 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm #

        Well, not “fantasized” exactly.

    • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 9:10 am #

      “A benevolent dictator who just had an average IQ, mediocre grasp of key issues,”

      we already got this part covered.

  73. JohnAZ April 7, 2018 at 8:44 pm #

    Here is a disconcerting thought. Everyone is blaming everyone else for all the evil in the world, all the bad trends, all the bad headlines. Trump did this, Schumer did that, the Russians are bad guys, the .Chinese are beating us, etc, etc.

    What If the Long Emergency is right on mark and these trends are apolitical and are coming at us no matter what we do. What if overpopulation, resource scarcity, greed, the income inequality part of capitalism, the sloth of people are cooking our gooses and no matter what, the WMBH is rapidly approaching no matter what the optimists might think. It seems to me that the discord between us is another major cause of the downslide we are approaching. How much of a catastrophe has to occur before the people of America can or will have to work on the problems together. Because if we do not work together, the supposed trade war with China will be the shortest war in history with the Chinese coming out on top. But guess what, without us here as a market and paying our debt to China, they are just as bad off as we will be. A house divided —. This probably sounds like a pipe dream but us not working together because of illogical idiotic reasons may just be the number one reason everthing comes down around our ears. And it is not Trump, not HRC, not Xi, Not Putin, not the Middle East, just Mother Nature letting us know that if we do not use our wits together, that the end times may be unavoidable.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 9:54 pm #

      It is happening because people believe it. A self-fulfilling prophesy.

    • dannyboy April 7, 2018 at 10:02 pm #

      “that the end times may be unavoidable.”

      I apologize for being so flip in my reply, your comment deserves better.

      As I mentioned in this blog entry and in the prior, I am visiting Amish Country. My purpose was to celebrate a relative’s 90 birthday, who is Mennonite.

      Being here has blown my mind. It is a freak show of America. I just now spent hours with Masons who I believe must be from Frankenstein and Dracula movies. To get there I needed to pass theaters filled with people watching “Jesus Live”.

      Fortunately for me, my wife was able to explain all that was going on around us. Her Knowedge saved me from my distress.

      America is having a Bad Trip. I know this because I was a Trip Guide.

      • JohnAZ April 8, 2018 at 12:17 am #

        I got a real chuckle from your reaction. Talk about culture shock. New York meets the Amish. Did you ever see the movie Witness, I think you and Harrison Ford have something in common.

        When I read your posts I realize the division between city dwellers and the fly over folks. They are real and distinct. The political difference in the country is really the difference between the two environments.

        But I will reiterate, the problems of the US and the world transcend these differences and if it cannot, the Bad Trip will become a perennial nightmare for everyone.

    • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 9:11 am #

      JohnAZ

      “just Mother Nature letting us know that if we do not use our wits together, that the end times may be unavoidable.”

      Using our wits together, to my mind, involves something that used to be considered a good thing, but in many quarters is held to be a bad thing – *planning*. More Americans than other people, I fear, consider planning a bad thing. Because they associate it with evil Reds who just want the contents of your wallet.

      An example: many of us have wanted ‘planning’ to be implemented in various ways to avoid the atmosphere over-heating and the oceans increasing in acidity. You are in agreement with this yourself, I believe (the avoidance of over-heating, if not the planning).

      Rightwingers the world over – but mostly in the US and Australia (which exports lots of coal – follow the money…) attacked climate science specifically on the grounds of it being a Marxist plot to steal from ordinary people’s wallets. (Marx must be turning jocularly in his grave hearing the things he gets the blame for these days.)

      They will look on any attempt to *plan* more more sensible economic and social arrangements in the same way.

      • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 11:11 am #

        That’s two comments, I think, where the word ‘more’ has proliferated without my consent 🙂

      • JohnAZ April 8, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

        Right wingers love chaos! Chaos stems from unregulated, free markets where lucky “gamblers” can make out. The obvious problem with this is the 99% who do not make out keep on the downslide. Here is the rub, spurring the economy on by allowing high levels of risk causes an aggressive population that allows the economy as a whole to grow. However, the bad side is that most people get hurt by unfettered capitalism. So there is the great trade off that is ripping not just America apart but the world.

        So what to do? Remove capitalism and lose the aggressive edge that promotes growth. The slothlike response of every experiment with socialism shows the penalty for trying to eliminate the risk takers. Not a good move! Or encourage the high risk capitalism that the Wall Streeters want. The end result of this we are starting to see and is commented on a lot in this blog. Collapse.

        Some wise person said that everything should be done in moderation. Economies fit this to a tee. Moderation is not possible for anything in this country with the cast of characters in the Deep State. The Deep State developed to insulate the elite from the ravages of the decline in the economy that both directions will create. It is easy to tell gullible people that the government will take care of things via socialism. The mass of people will sign up to this as their perceived risk level drops. Ask the people of Latin America how they feel about their governments today. Their answer is the pack up and risk their lives getting into the US. Why the US? Because risk and greed drive a more dynamic society that the immigrants want.

        So how does a society get the balance between risk and security? The Deep State is the antithesis of this balance. Many wise folks in DC should be able to come up with ideas on how to balance the economy. Not now, maybe not ever. America’s government has always been a reactive group, only reacting when bad things happen. That is probably not adequate today. Can an intentionally contentious government come up with a credo to work an economy? We shall see.

        China is currently tearing up the world’s economies creating huge trade imbalances. The autocratic government plans the big picture and allows a certain amount of capitalism to exist to encourage aggressive activity. Is their model a good combination of capitalism and planning? Trump is trying to correct the imbalance with brute force, tariffs. Modification of the economic model will need to happen. If tariffs will encourage this, good. Most “experts” think not.

        • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm #

          I would certainly agree that *actual* socialism – as an economic model – doesn’t appear to work (I don’t call a comprehensive healthcare system that doesn’t bankrupt sick people ‘socialism’ – I call it a humane welfare policy that can work within a healthy capitalist economy).

          Also I agree that planning, however we see it, needs to be done by people with the common good at heart, not by your deep state types.

          I haven’t gone into it in great detail, but I don’t mean ‘planning’ in the Soviet sense at all – I mean government creating frameworks that encourage the changes we on this website know need to be made to meet the future we think is coming. That could be something as simple as supporting local initiatives that tend towards increasing localisation of food production and distribution (‘local’ can mean whatever is appropriate – not all localities have the possibility to grow their own food). There’s no real reason why supermarkets can’t be part of that.

          But first of all, there has to be an open acceptance of where we’re heading in terms of resources and of the financial system – and I don’t see that coming in a hurry unless events propel it.

          People, as Bacon famously said, prefer to believe what they would prefer to be true.

          • Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:33 pm #

            Exactly. That’s why we can’t have any more immigrants or refugees. The 3rd World is doomed except for very remote areas. They might do better than we do. We might make it, but not easily and only if we stop brining in more hungry mouths.

            Paul Krugman said the welfare state cannot have open borders. He’s for the Welfare State and for open borders. These are the contradictions of the Tribe. Since America isn’t really his nation, he doesn’t care about it, at least not until it can be made over in his own image via a Cloward-Piven type collapse.

            His first statement was theoretical you see. He knows the Truth but doesn’t want it applied to America, but only Israel.

          • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 5:00 pm #

            “But first of all, there has to be an open acceptance of where we’re heading in terms of resources and of the financial system – and I don’t see that coming in a hurry unless events propel it.”

            Ay, there’s the rub!

            The sleepwalking dead are quite content with the dreams they have now and should you presume to disturb their dreams they will have your mortal coil.

            Give pause.

          • JohnAZ April 8, 2018 at 7:59 pm #

            GA

            American founding fathers were so concerned about being dominated by their government, due to George 3, that the US Constitution does not allow action to happen unless it is an emergency or is persistent. The reticence of our Congress to do anything is built in to the system.

            Today’s problems are killing the individuals ability to handle them. Large populations and the dependence of urban society make central planning necessary. International systems make totally nationalistic policies unfeasible.

            These two statements contradict each other, which explains the schizo personality of the US right now, or Britain with Brexit. A certain amount of control planning and control is required but not to the point that individual and collective drive is squelched. A balancing act that we haven’t figured out much.

          • GreenAlba April 8, 2018 at 9:13 pm #

            Excellent points, JohnAZ. How pleased I am that someone can make them and not fear to be branded an [insert partisan insult of choice here] by those with less insight into the dilemma.

            But planning there needs to be. Nobody asked the British to vote in a referendum to decide whether they’d like to use blackout curtains or not when German air raids were about to start. And the economy was turned around on a sixpence to meet the needs of the hour. This is even more of an emergency than that was, although not many people get it.

    • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 7:06 pm #

      How much of a catastrophe has to occur before the people of America can or will have to work on the problems together.

      The assumption is that tragedy will pull people together but when empires fall apart tragedy may drive people apart.

  74. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 8:51 pm #

    “We need to cut taxes, explode government spending, have 7 wars at once, open the borders, and put everyone on a basic minimum income subject to our total control of what they do and say which will be enforced by mass surveillance and a digital currency.”

  75. Pucker April 7, 2018 at 11:27 pm #

    Did someone say “End Times”?

    Preachers fantasize about fucking the congregation, like Reverend Jim Jones. And the congregation fantasizes about fucking the preacher. Reverend Jim Jones fantasized about fucking young white women as a black man.

    Reverend Jim Jones actually succeeded in shape shifting into a black man by convincing his congregation that he was a black man as well as Jesus.

    • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 8:43 am #

      Re: End Times

      I am hearing this here in Lancaster (actually, I’m at an inn in Landisville).

      Scary stuff.

  76. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2018 at 2:05 am #

    whitedate.net/why-women-should-choose-trad-life/

    Surrender Dorothy – or become the Witch. And Toto too.

  77. wm5135 April 8, 2018 at 5:21 am #

    Woody Guthrie

    Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye, Rosalita,
    Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria;
    You won’t have your names when you ride the big airplane,
    All they will call you will be “deportees”

    Is this the best way we can grow our big orchards?
    Is this the best way we can grow our good fruit?
    To fall like dry leaves to rot on my topsoil
    And be called by no name except “deportees”?

    Plane crashed 1/28/1948 – illegal immigration a new problem? No Banker Was Left Behind, more for the few in cheap labor and opiate addiction.

    The conundrum is why 99% of humanity sit with their thumb up their kazoo and hum along. Probably a Russian CW attack.

  78. capt spaulding April 8, 2018 at 8:28 am #

    Just read the Homeland Security is making a list of journalists, bloggers, and others who might be deemed security threats. Does anybody feel the noose tightening just a little bit?

    • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 9:13 am #

      Captain,

      You need a better source of news. Like way earlier info.

      Then you could’ve acted on it

      Like maybe used care in blogging

      • capt spaulding April 8, 2018 at 10:36 am #

        I do just fine in the news gathering area, and I’ve been aware of the information gathering being done by just about every entity in the country, including the government and private corporations, but thank you for your concern.

    • Anon1970 April 8, 2018 at 10:43 am #

      It reminds me of the census of French Jews conducted in 1940 after France fell under German occupation. Read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Tulard The information was later used to roundup tens of thousands of French Jews starting in the summer of 1942. The first roundup was the subject of the French movie “La Rafle”, which is available via the Internet.

      The German word “heimat” translates roughly into the English word “homeland” If I were a journalist, I would be more than a little uneasy.

      • dannyboy April 8, 2018 at 2:20 pm #

        I have family in Paris. They hid out in the French countryside during the war.

        I have an aversion to telling government about me. I trust government equal to a stranger asking personal questions

      • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 6:06 pm #

        Culver City’s police department announced plans to contract with Vigilant Solutions, a surveillance and data collection company that sells automatic license plate readers, or ALPRs. ALPR systems electronically scan the license plates of cars driving pass. The information collected is matched to dates, times, and location, and built into a database that reveals sensitive information about where individuals work, live, associate, and visit. Vigilant itself maintains a database of 2.2 billion license plate photos collected by its systems, which it has marketed successfully to over 3,000 police departments across the country.

        I posted that earlier. No comments. Nobody cares. Or………………………………………….

        • San Jose April 8, 2018 at 6:20 pm #

          My response….YIKES.

        • akmofo April 8, 2018 at 7:54 pm #

          Ride a bike.

          • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 8:30 pm #

            ¡Akmofo eres un amigo!

    • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 5:41 pm #

      You read about a ‘bid for contract’. A bit of froth boiling over the side from a roiling pot when the glass lid hopped. That is all. The boil has been going on in this pot for quite a while now, 16 going on 17 years.

      There have been lists for years, many lists, and only a tiny minority of anyone on a list is ever aware they have been put on a list. Connections between people are traced and sometimes discretely discouraged. The right to assemble could lead to terrorism so it is prevented by many discrete methods including the common use of internet trolls. You read about a new contract. Troll farms already exist. As people are already tracked, a new ‘catalog’ would be just the thing a troll army needs. Where to go, what to say and do, who to harass. Who to convert. I don’t worry about big brother tracking me. I already know they do.

      An extensive network was put in place to maintain the discrete integrity of the arrangements should anyone be foolish enough to try and blow a whistle on the discrete practices of Homeland Security should they blunder onto hard evidence, which was once easy to find.

      To add insult to injury, then you find out nobody cares.

      • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 5:47 pm #

        To clarify my point. A troll army playbook is different from a list of people to ‘pick up’ later. Different people needing different lists for different reasons even if the same exact people are listed because the right hand must not know what the left hand does. Going down this rabbit hole the next thing to do if it were possible would be to find who would be the user of the list.

      • K-Dog April 8, 2018 at 5:55 pm #

        The DHS Media Monitoring plan would grant the chosen company “24/7 access to a password protected, media influencer database, including journalist, editors, correspondents, social media influencers, bloggers etc.,” for the purpose of identifying “any and all media coverage related to the Department of Homeland Security or a particular event.”

        Perfect for ‘cleaning’ should any truth spill.

      • dannyboy April 9, 2018 at 7:44 am #

        “To add insult to injury, then you find out nobody cares.”

        Anything goes

        Nobody cares

        (sound familiar)

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