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As our politicos creep deeper into a legalistic wilderness hunting for phantoms of Russian collusion, nobody pays attention to the most dangerous force in American life: the unraveling financialization of the economy.

Financialization is what happens when the people-in-charge “create” colossal sums of “money” out of nothing — by issuing loans, a.k.a. debt — and then cream off stupendous profits from the asset bubbles, interest rate arbitrages, and other opportunities for swindling that the artificial wealth presents. It was a kind of magic trick that produced monuments of concentrated personal wealth for a few and left the rest of the population drowning in obligations from a stolen future. The future is now upon us.

Financialization expressed itself in other interesting ways, for instance the amazing renovation of New York City (Brooklyn especially). It didn’t happen just because Generation X was repulsed by the boring suburbs it grew up in and longed for a life of artisanal cocktails. It happened because financialization concentrated immense wealth geographically in the very few places where its activities took place — not just New York but San Francisco, Washington, and Boston — and could support luxuries like craft food and brews.

Quite a bit of that wealth was extracted from asset-stripping the rest of America where financialization was absent, kind of a national distress sale of the fly-over places and the people in them. That dynamic, of course, produced the phenomenon of President Donald Trump, the distilled essence of all the economic distress “out there” and the rage it entailed. The people of Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin were left holding a big bag of nothing and they certainly noticed what had been done to them, though they had no idea what to do about it, except maybe try to escape the moment-by-moment pain of their ruined lives with powerful drugs.

And then, a champion presented himself, and promised to bring back the dimly remembered wonder years of post-war well-being — even though the world had changed utterly — and the poor suckers fell for it. Not to mention the fact that his opponent — the avaricious Hillary, with her hundreds of millions in ill-gotten wealth — was a very avatar of the financialization that had turned their lives to shit. And then the woman called them “a basket of deplorables” for noticing what had happened to them.

And now the rather pathetic false promises of President Trump, the whole MAGA thing, is unraveling at exactly the same time that the financialized economy is entering its moment of final catastrophic phase-change. The monuments to wealth — especially the stock and bond portfolios and the presumed value of real estate investments — will surrender to a process you might call price-discovery-from-Hell, revealing their worth to be somewhere between little and nothing. The accumulated monstrous debts of persons, corporations, and sovereign societies, will be suddenly, shockingly, absolutely, and self-evidently unpayable, and the securities represented by them will be sucked into the kind of vortices of time/space depicted in movies about mummies and astronauts. And all of a sudden the avatars of that wealth will see their lives turn to shit just like the moiling, Budweiser-gulping, oxycontin-addled deplorables in the flat, boring, parking lot wastelands of our ruined drive-in Utopia saw their lives rendered into a brown-and-yellow slurry draining clockwise down the toilet of history.

Nobody in power in this country is paying attention to how close we are to that epic moment — at least, they’re not talking about it. If the possibility of all that even occupies some remote corner of their brains, they surely don’t know how to prepare the citizenry for it, or what to do about it. The truth is that societies respond emergently to major crises like the imminent unraveling of our financialized economy, often in disorderly and surprising ways. I suppose we’ll just have to watch the nauseating spectacle play out, and in the meantime enjoy the Russian collusion melodrama for whatever it’s worth — probably more than a ticket to Wonder Woman or the new Tom Cruise Mummy movie.


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  1. RobH June 12, 2017 at 8:52 am #

    Craft brewed beer, is beer brewed in small quantities, the old fashioned way
    … a beer brewed by hand

    Is it a luxury? It is your plan for the future

    • charlie foxtrot June 12, 2017 at 9:23 am #

      Craft beer that costs $5 for a pint is damned well a luxury when one’s wages are measured by the hour, Sir…

      • Paulo June 12, 2017 at 9:59 am #

        The term ‘Craft Beer’ is just a euphemism for; “Look how trendy and refined I am buying and drinking this special brew”.

        They might drink a pint, (at far more cost than $5.00), then order another to wash down an over-priced pizza produced in a wood-fired oven.

        Funny story alert. My son’s childhood buddy was doing the obligatory fishing trip with his new father-in-law….his wife’s step dad. Anyway, the young man brought the beer as the oldster supplied the boat and tackle. Wanting to impress the ‘dad’, the kid reached into his cooler and pulled out a crafty dark brew in a special big can and handed it over. The oldster looked at it, popped the top and took a sip. He promptly tossed it over into the chuck and popped a Lucky Lager.

        • djc June 12, 2017 at 10:21 am #

          I’m betting this happened in the Midwest…….

          • Sunflower June 12, 2017 at 11:25 am #

            I was in the Midwest not too long ago. The locals took us to this locally owned restaurant-nothing fancy- that served a local dark brew. I hate beer. One sip of that brew and I was hooked!!! My God, who knew beer could be so good? They frequent the place and frequently drink that beer.

        • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:22 am #

          The term ‘Craft Beer’ is just a euphemism for; “Look how trendy and refined I am buying and drinking this special brew”.

          Thanks for answering my unasked question.

          I see ‘artisan’? and handmade at the grocery.
          Not sure if it helps sales.

          I bought a smallish bag of pretzels and a few [very tasty] cookies, price, $11. [5+6].

          There was a cheese sample at this market.
          A gal said ‘this is delicious’ to which I noted, ‘at $17 dollars a pound, the cumin flavored cheese should be tasty’—I forget the brand and name of cheese. It was near the ‘Laughing cow’ brand.
          The lady was shocked. $17 dollars a pound!!!!

          There was cheeses at that supermarket even pricier.

          I recall a brand of Potato Chip.s back in the 1980s or 1990s it was 8 ounces for a dollar. Now its 4 dollars for 5 or 6 ounces.

          Shrinkage. Hagen Daz has done shrinkage [I thought the container was smaller, how right I was] and Ben n Jerrys, now w Unilever has all kinds of additives.

          • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:06 pm #

            Unilever buys up all the brands of all kinds of things, like tea, for instance, and not only do you get the shrinkage, often you get a completely different product, of much cheaper quality.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 12:25 pm #

          Bastard.

      • earltwitty June 12, 2017 at 4:29 pm #

        There is a new craft brewery popping up everyday in Rochester. Anybody with a halfway clean bathtub is putting out a raspberry stout or IPA. I’ll stick with my $2 pint of Genny lite if i can find it. Woodfired pizzas are the other phenomenon.

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 5:13 pm #

        Bud and Miller Lite and the cheap domestics is a cheap way for Joe Sixpack to get drunk.
        It’s merely a vehicle for alcohol, for drunks. Just as the brewers intended. Cheap drugs.

        They don’t care about good beer anymore than they care about a fine Rioja.

        Wouldn’t know one anyway.
        They want to get a buzz or get drunk for $8 or less.

        Can you believe there are people who don’t mind paying more for something beyond swill? They can walk away after having one or 2 beers? People who don’t guzzle wheat flavored alcohol water to get a cheap high? Shocking.

      • John Howard June 13, 2017 at 8:38 pm #

        Egyptian slaves building the pyramids were paid in beer.

    • K-Dog June 12, 2017 at 9:35 am #

      Hand made crafts used as a medium of exchange when money has lost value and becomes worthless will usher in the world made by hand. It will be a world where there will be no alternate means of supply for anything and making things by hand will be the only option. Now, when all people do is talk about the different ‘notes’ each batch of craft beer has and craft beers are an optional luxury to copious mainstream alternatives then the ‘future ‘ has not yet arrived.

      In the ‘future’ there will little time for brewing beer. Agricultural skills will need to be developed first and for quite a while these new vital skills will concentrate on producing food. Luxuries will wait.

      Every year I garden now. I have learned that agricultural skills take a long time to acquire. Before we once again become a nation of farmers millions will starve.

      A world made by hand will be a consequence of the reality of national economic collapse and not an option anybody chooses.

      • Piper Michael June 12, 2017 at 10:25 am #

        K-Dog,
        So right. That’s why I’ve dropped the whole ‘tech’ thing(I’ve got two degrees in tech fields), and have become a blacksmith.
        Farmers need tools, carpenters, you name it… the king of crafts is the blacksmith, the tool maker.
        Although, for the first few years, after all the bullets have been expended, being competent in black powder manufacture, and knife making may be a productive endeavor.

        As Washington goes insane, the sound of sharpening knifes is heard all across the land…
        (Siiiic siiiic siiic)
        We are all sic(k) of The Russian thing.

      • Ishabaka June 12, 2017 at 12:19 pm #

        Since the dawn of time, and around the world, folks have foregone the necessities of life in search of drug-fueled escape. There will be a brisk trade in home-made alcoholic beverages, and makers will be astonished just what folks will be willing to trade for them.

        • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 2:57 pm #

          Their bodies and their babies?

          • Pat Ormsby June 12, 2017 at 8:11 pm #

            Typically land and family treasures. during the Soviet collapse, a lot of people lost their family’s dacha (which except for high-level officials, was an acre or so of farmland at the edge of the city) to the antics of a drunken uncle in desperate search of his next “brewski.” During the sudden imposition of capitalism in Japan in the Meiji revolution, the same thing happened, and lots of samurai families lost everything but the house they resided in. These two cases had the sudden “shock therapy” imposition of predatory capitalism in common, so it would be good to examine other cases of collapse as well, such as Argentina’s, to get a picture of useful strategies. When tough times suddenly arrive, a lot of people take to drinking to try to cope, and they find creative ways of supporting it. From what I’ve read of Argentina’s case, aggressive thievery played quite a big role. That occurred in Russia as well, along with the sale of attractive daughters.

      • ozone June 12, 2017 at 4:50 pm #

        K-dog,
        Just recently traded ‘musical services’ for ‘legal services’. (I was well pleased, as I figured I got the immensely better end of the deal, and told the proposer so. He just happens to be a very good fellow and thoroughly enjoyed the exchange. Accepting these things with a good will and mutual respect will be[come] very important… for some; others will just have to keep on with their, “Hooray for me and fuck you”, and wait for the inevitable kicking-into-the-ditch that certainly awaits.

        You growl:
        “A world made by hand will be a consequence of the reality of national economic collapse and not an option anybody chooses.”

        I say: Yes, indeedy-do. More flexibility and resilience are there for the researching. Excuses and political gum-flapping will only attract contempt. (That goes for the “pray real hard” solution too.)

    • elysianfield June 12, 2017 at 11:07 am #

      Rob,
      Been brewing all-grain beer for 30+ years…a five gallon batch costs…under $6.00, if set up correctly.

      • draupnir June 12, 2017 at 1:14 pm #

        Do you buy your brewer’s yeast, malt and hops?

        • elysianfield June 12, 2017 at 4:00 pm #

          D,
          I purchase grain in large (for me) quantities…grow my own hops, can propagate yeast if necessary…I currently just buy the lowest end English ale yeast, less than $1.00 per batch. I have experimented with, and can grow barley, I have both the seed supply and the acreage.

      • daytrip June 12, 2017 at 2:06 pm #

        I’ve brewed some brown ales and stouts with extracts. They came out well, but were a lot more expensive than all grain brewing. That is tougher, but it would be worth it! Still, I like the dark ales. They have food value. I think the monks that brew beer do it, at least one reason, is to preserve the grains.

        Cheap lagers got watered down in America, maybe during ww2. Then we developed a taste for weak beer and never went back when the war was over. The beer companies didn’t mind, because they saved money (that could be used on advertising, if nothing else). Until recently, Newcastle was using caramel color in their brown ale. They got called out by a blogger and stopped that nonsense. I’ll bet their barley costs went back up a little then, but at least they’re getting some goodwill back.

        • stelmosfire June 12, 2017 at 6:28 pm #

          I’ve done beer and wine for years. I started with my grandfather in the ’60,s. Wine is a cinch but we need extra sugar with our sour NE grapes. Where will I get it if transport falls off? Beer is easy too . I like German lager types. I lager it at 40 degrees in a chest freezer for 4 months in winter with a 100 watt incandescent on a thermo for heat to prevent freezing. I have not a clue as to where I could get grain in a power down situation. I guess I could just make sour-mash with my still.

          • ozone June 12, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

            st.elmo,
            Just a personal note: You blew me off one time; that’s all it takes, especially with no apology and further contact. Trust is All.

          • Pat Ormsby June 12, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

            How would sugar beets fare in your climate? I don’t have access to such in Japan, but sweet potatoes are traditionally brewed here. I’m not very well acquainted with sake production, but I think they use an enzymatic reaction to break the starch in rice down to simple sugars and then brew it. I’ll have to look into it.

          • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 10:36 am #

            Saint,
            Ixnay on the illstay. The Feds, a few years ago conducted a raid on a local still…that was on display in a museum…. That they have no sense of humor I shit you not….

      • ozone June 12, 2017 at 4:56 pm #

        I know hops will grow here, but as far as a dependable grain crop, the only one recommended is buckwheat. Our water is superb…… but a nice ale (or even a half-assed one) is much mo’ bettah! 😉 Social interactions benefit as well.

        (Yes, I know, I’d better get busy on that.) Congrats on the complete cycle of brewage!

        • ozone June 12, 2017 at 4:57 pm #

          (I forgot to mention, for elysianfield.)

          • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 10:41 am #

            Oz,
            You can make an acceptable wheat beer with…wheat. Stores for years, and is cheap. I.ve made a few batches with acceptable results. Also, you might contact the brew master at a local brew-pub, if you have such, and sometimes they allow you to purchase malted grain at their prices on future orders.

  2. GreenAlba June 12, 2017 at 9:17 am #

    I read in one of our UK national newspapers (US column writer) that Trump’s much-Trumpeted promise to invest in US infrastructure isn’t going to consist in fixing all those roads and bridges that your civil engineers have said desperately need fixing/maintaining, but instead it will consist in giving companies a massive $800bn tax handout (a tax hole to be made up by your good selves, presumably, in either more taxes or reduced benefits) so that they can build sexy and prestigious new roads and bridges that they will then own and will therefore be able to charge you to use.

    You couldn’t actually make it up, even for a country so wedded to distrust of the idea of public services and infrastructure. Union Grove wouldn’t have got a look-in for its crumbling bridge!

    • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 9:28 am #

      The classical economists envisioned capitalism as an alternative to feudalism: as a way of unlocking all the value hoarded by the wealthy few and investing it instead, to create a positive-sum future.

      press.princeton.edu/titles/10110.html

      Now we get to see it turning back into neo-feudalism in our lifetimes. Beware any plan presented to you by a billionaire as if it were in your interest. They’ll get their percentage any way they have to.

    • ozone June 12, 2017 at 5:15 pm #

      GreenAlba,
      I guar-un-damn-tee you that should such a factoid be indisputably discovered by the loser/deplorables (which would be the vaaaaast majority of us), without a doubt, there *will* be blood. The phrase, “enough is too much”, comes to mind. Mark it well.
      When something absolutely needs doing, the village level (not the Great White Father in Washington) will see to it with whatever resources are available/at hand.

  3. Walter B June 12, 2017 at 9:22 am #

    You are right once again my host and there are growing examples to back up the fact that it is close, very close indeed. I know a person that received an inheritance check a month ago in the amount of $63K. All of her attempts to cash it out or transfer the sum to any of many different accounts where it could then be dispersed rather than to remain “institutionalized” are being thwarted by a number of banks, even with the assistance of a personal attorney. I have looked into this myself and from what I can determine, these banks are all doing their damnest to keep these “funds” where they are, because after all, fractional reserve banking means that when the $63K disappears, they will lose the ability to “back” $2.8Million somewhere else. This is how fractional reserve banking fails and it does not necessarily take runs on banks to happen. It has already begun.

    • K-Dog June 12, 2017 at 10:02 am #

      I had a comparable amount in a self managed 401 K that was stolen by the Bank of America when they decided to manage my retirement money for me.

      I had opened an account as a standard interest bearing savings account which is perfectly legal. You can actually manage your own 401 K money legally. This account was then closed without my permission or knowledge and my principle was placed with their own financial management people and moved to Texas. Over time it would have been chiseled down to have less and less value through their strategically bad investments. Where it is now it earns little but looses nothing. I like that. It only lost a few hundred dollars in Texas before I got it back. Now once again it at least earns a dinner a month.

      To close the unwanted ‘retirement’ account, which I had never opened in the first place so I could move my money to a new interest bearing account in another bank took a $30 application fee and six weeks.

      All I can do now is have a personal protest by having nothing to do with the Bank of America. Ever! It is my only possible satisfaction.

      • K-Dog June 12, 2017 at 10:21 am #

        Another satisfaction I have will be to never see a new Tom Cruise movie. Another personal protest. There is an evil in the world called Scientology which recruits the dim of the Entertainment world so to catch a ride on their fame and fortune. Supplicants of the entertainment elite worship this pyramid of disparity because they get their asses kissed at the Scientology Celebrity Center.

        The rest of you can support this evil cult and see Tom. Not me, I know too much.

        If wishes were horses and fools would ride, then Tom would be riding in front leading a charge blowing a horn.

        • pequiste June 12, 2017 at 10:42 am #

          Pays pretty handsomely tho’ – the guy is worth close to a billion bucks.

          • K-Dog June 12, 2017 at 4:47 pm #

            Which demonstrates in spades that life is not fair. Of course we already knew that, I’m just sayin.

      • charlie foxtrot June 12, 2017 at 10:27 am #

        A dozen years ago I saw a doc about the Golden Gate bridge, and how the founder of BoA floated the bonds so the bridge could be finished after the the city couldn’t finish…shortly afterward, I required a bank account for a new job; of course I went to BoA…one morning when I called to make sure my check had cleared, it was about 100 short: by the time I got to a branch at lunchtime, the ‘available balance’ was $62.14…turns out they had stacked my transactions, including one from the night before at an atm, in order to overdraft, by less than three bucks, and start accruing $35 fees…illegal, and eventually BoA settled out of court for doing just that to millions of clients…FUCK BoA, the founder is rolling in his grave!

        • routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 12:52 pm #

          BOA sucks. Sorry you got screwed. They are on my boycott list.

          • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm #

            I had an experience with seeing what happened to a young woman who was trying to sell a house she bought and could not keep, and what BoA did, not just to her, but to any potential buyers willing to take the house off her hands.
            This was after everyone had become aware of what the banks were doing with mortgage fraud.
            BTW, the banks that took bailout money, why did they get to hang on to the properties?

          • capt spaulding June 12, 2017 at 2:45 pm #

            All of the big banks pull the same shit on people. That’s why I now do everything through my credit union.

          • ozone June 12, 2017 at 5:30 pm #

            “…the banks that took bailout money, why did they get to hang on to the properties?”

            Beryl,
            From what I’ve seen and heard, the old catchphrase of, “Socialize the risk and privatize the profits” is the concrete ideology and permanent tactic of the “this time everything’s different” crowd.
            …But you already knew that, I’m sure.

    • Pat Ormsby June 12, 2017 at 8:39 pm #

      We had a real wake-up call about ten years ago when my husband tried to close out an account with an American Bank, and they simply ignored him. We are in Japan, so it would have meant buying a ticket and going to them in person. At this point, the general financial system swindle was only getting started, so I found a creative way around the problem. It was a checking account and we had a few checks for it. Those checks would not have been accepted by a Japanese bank, but my husband had an account in New Zealand that would, so each month I’d mail off a check signed by my husband in a modest amount (currently such behavior would put you under suspicion of “terrorist activity”), until we drained the account. Then they finally closed it for us.

      The writing was on the wall way back then, so I closed out an annuity, paid Uncle Sam the penalty and reinvested the funds in a more practical local manner. Our local banks in Japan, where I still keep significant funds, will eventually abscond with them. But my husband is terrified of life without money. Easy come, easy go.

  4. hmuller June 12, 2017 at 9:36 am #

    JHK summed up the financial situation very accurately. However, unless we enter a Mad Max scenario or a world made by hand, some parties will find a way to profit from massive debt collapse.

    Imagine a Central Bank creating money from thin air and lending it at zero interest to favored clients who in turn buy up America’s assets at fire sale prices. Doesn’t sound quite fair, does it? But it could be the final act in this whole kabuki dance of larceny.

    • K-Dog June 12, 2017 at 10:06 am #

      And the black hand of manufactured fate had everything to do with it.

    • TiredOfTheTreadmill June 12, 2017 at 11:10 pm #

      Agreed. There will be several massive transfers of “wealth” as this global financial ponzi implodes and things settle into a more simple model. Between here and there we could see

      Unless, of course, everything goes Mad Max overnight. If that happens then luck will be the greatest thing to have on your side.

  5. newworld June 12, 2017 at 9:49 am #

    And this plays hand in hand with the cracks appearing in the moral authority currently present in Big Momma Liberal, Feckless Conservative Daddy and Radical Temper Tantrum Child.

    America is ruled by scolds, especially you sanctimonious Progressives who really need to look in the mirror of reality.

    Anyway the witchcraft of isms, ists and phobias is both going super nova and delegitimizing itself at the same time.

  6. pequiste June 12, 2017 at 9:51 am #

    All this financialization stuff reminds me of an old sweet song:

    youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ

    The coming soundtrack for our collective comeuppance is going to be more like Handel’s Dixit Dominus:

    “Judicabit in nationibus, Implebit ruinas, conquassabit capita in terra multorum.”

  7. thwack June 12, 2017 at 9:58 am #

    “It happened because financialization concentrated immense wealth geographically in the very few places where its activities took place — not just New York but San Francisco, Washington, and Boston — and could support luxuries like craft food and brews.”

    ************

    I had lived in DC for years and never noticed what Dave Chappelle immediately saw as soon as he arrived there from Ohio: no poor white people?

    DC is truly an insulated artificial bubble, full of people who think the entire country functions the same way they do?

    Please try not to be one of them.

    • djc June 12, 2017 at 10:30 am #

      Dave Chappelle is a pretty observant person because almost all of the Midwest is mostly huge chunks of working class White people that have had their incomes slashed.

      I don’t understand why the elites on the coasts still can’t figure out why Trump was elected. Who were they going to vote for? Hillary? The same cabal of people who destroyed their economic lives?

      They will never understand.

      • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 11:40 am #

        She was the one who got them health care, although Obama got the credit and the moniker. Trump promised to take it away from them and they STILL voted for him and now they are SHOCKED he’s doing what he said he would do. I’m with Bill Maher on this one. How can people vote against their best interests?

        • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:22 pm #

          The working men, from what I can see, did NOT get “health care” they got the responsibility of paying for everybody else’s “health care”, by being compelled to buy phony insurance they could not afford and could not afford to use if they did buy it.
          And Hillary’s phony insurance was falling apart all by itself before Donald Trump was even elected.
          The man I know who worked in a factory, and was going to have his effective pay slashed to eight dollars per hour if he bought insurance, the man I know who was doing without and hoping that he didn’t get sick as he struggled to keep the roof over his elderly father’s head, the man who did get sick, with no insurance, and has to resort to begging, because Obama made the kind of insurance he could afford and still keep his family-run small business afloat in the economic downturn illegal – I know they voted for Trump, gladly, because at least now they aren’t going to have their money stolen by the government.
          That’s the reality of that “health care reform”, and you can see by the results not just of the last presidential election, but of the mid-terms right after the abomination passed, just what America actually thought of it.
          These men I mention are not unusual, they are typical, and they are not “fly-overs” nor rural folk at all. They are New Yorkers.

          • sharonsj June 12, 2017 at 12:39 pm #

            We didn’t get “health care” because the ACA, while helping poorer people get insurance, did nothing to control the excesses of insurance companies nor the pharmaceutical companies. And Congress made it harder to get cheap drugs from outside America. However, voting for Trump is not going to get any of us health care either. Trump and his cronies really don’t give a crap if we live or die just so long as they can get their hands on our tax money. Your statement “…at least now they aren’t going to have their money stolen by the government” is stupid because now Trump IS “the government.

          • Doug June 12, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

            All of the government money spent on healthcare (State spending, Medicare, Medicaid, VA) is easily 60% of the total. Consider that there is no real budgeting, zero constraints to their spending (no budget discipline), it is govt money that is inflating medical costs at 3 times the rate of inflation. Gov’t must be the least price sensitive customer ever–so they pay whatever bills are handed to them (a price taker). The only thing that will fix medical cost inflation is an actual REDUCTION of govt medical expenditures to create some deflation in this space. Prices will rise and bankrupt this country until they CUT (not reduce increases) spending! And yes, the ACA helped about 3% of the people and hurt the other 97%.

            It’s a similar situation where gov’t student loan money is flooding into worthy and unworthy colleges both and causing tuition and book prices to inflate by about 3 to 6 times the rate of inflation. Our “gov’t” has encouraged millions of students that don’t even belong in college to attend. Then, when these kids can’t get a job (in part because serial government financial bubbles are destroying our economy), these kids are not paying back their loans. So, loan defaults are soaring. And because we live in a time of total and utter incompetence in our gov’t colossus, the loans are still flooding the market. Eventually, you the taxpayer will pay to bail out this mess. It’s all too pathetic for words.

            What this country needs is a good Depression (massive reset) with no money printers around to allow the government to go bankrupt so that prices would reset drastically to levels that, when the economy stops contracting, people can actually afford things. This would set up the next long and sustainable up cycle.

            Seventy or eighty years of a Fed/Govt “no burn” policy where the govt keeps juicing and pump priming the economy with easy money to “tame” the business cycle has created the strong possibility of an real inferno as Jim predicts. So, we need to put the Fed Reserve out of business now (or drastically reform it) so they don’t save the bureaucracy at the expense of the people when all hell breaks loose.

        • hmuller June 12, 2017 at 3:28 pm #

          Where do you live, seawolf? Because you and Bill Maher are utterly ignorant about the people in flyover country. Hillary and her Wall Street, globalist, elitist parasites, her cultural Marxist social justice warriors, her fan club of sex perverts and child molesters – do not in any way embody “our best interests”.
          If you think Obama-Care was some kind of wonderful benefit to working class Americans, you’re dumber than Nancy Pelosi.

          • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 5:22 pm #

            Better than having a orange haired Russian whore in office. Gives a whole new meaning to “Back Channel.”

          • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 5:25 pm #

            Oops. I meant hole new meaning.

          • Pat Ormsby June 12, 2017 at 8:49 pm #

            “Russian whore”? I’m not laughing, seawolf. Unmitigated hate speech would appear to be PC if directed against the straw-men enemies of our glorious elite.

          • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 4:41 am #

            Oh, Pat, calm down with the fake outrage. You sound like such the drama queen.

          • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 4:44 am #

            hmuller-

            Sex perverts and child molesters in the Democratic party? Name names. The Republicans are replete with vile sex offenders. Watch the shocking Discovery Chanel/BBC documentary posted to YouTube titled, “Conspiracy of Silence” about the widespread sexual abuse of the boys at Boys’ Town by numerous national Republican politicians and wealthy financial donors (Note: my cousin was sexually abused by these perverts when he was 14/15 and was so disturbed that he committed suicide at age 17- he was bright, athletic, kind, and good looking with his whole life in front of him). You will hear former Republican Nebraska State Senator and chairman of the state committee charged with investigating the affair, Loran Schmit, state that the pedophilia reached the highest levels of the Republican Party. Despite tremendous pressure from the Reagan Whitehouse and RNC to bury the scandal, Senator Schmit refused to be intimidated. The senator was so shocked and disgusted by the findings of the investigative committee that he resigned from the Republican party and returned to farming. Thank you, Senator Schmit, for your integrity.
            The Republican National Committee attempted to whitewash the Boys’ Town scandal by purchasing the documentary’s publication rights for a monumental sum; fortunately, a few copies were leaked before the evidence could be destroyed. Sadly, few people are aware of the Boys’ Town tragedy, which is why I am doing everything possible to make the public aware of the facts.
            Here is the YouTube address for the documentary, “Conspiracy of Silence” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DquLnRycZms

        • njguy73 June 12, 2017 at 10:16 pm #

          To paraphrase John Steinbeck, socialism never caught on in the U.S. because here, the masses do not see themselves as an oppressed proletariat, but rather as temporarily embarrassed capitalists.

  8. shotho June 12, 2017 at 10:02 am #

    I agree with Mr. K and eagerly await the arrival of the resulting black hole of bad debt. Actually, I think it’s been under away for awhile, but needs to come out in the open for full effects. I fondly hope that it brings with it the sobering reality that character does matter and we had better get on with raising children with sense and sensibility, which means a flushing of all that taints the modern mind; well, at least, most of it.

    • mrmiller June 12, 2017 at 2:49 pm #

      I think the country could use a reset, so we could all start over and reclaim our identities and sanity, which the corporations stole from us.

  9. venuspluto67 June 12, 2017 at 10:06 am #

    For those who would like some insight into exactly why the financial markets are so out of whack with the on-the-ground economic reality, this blog-post on Chris Martenenson’s website is essential reading.

    • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 11:21 am #

      Chris is cut from the same bolt of cloth as Kunstler. He’s got good ideas though he’s been wrong for decades. Eventually the world will start to run out of natural resources. Many are predicting silver to be the first. Most are going with oil. Then there is the camp that says it won;t matter because climate change will change everything.

      • venuspluto67 June 12, 2017 at 12:03 pm #

        Nonetheless, Martenson is accurately describing something that is happening in the real world as we sit here typing these words.

      • daytrip June 12, 2017 at 4:12 pm #

        I just started reading Derrick Jensen’s “The Myth of Human Superiority.”
        On page 23 he sites a : “CBS News headline “Saltwater Fish Extinction Seen By 2048.” Well, we all know what’s really important; one of the researchers is quoted as saying, “If biodiversity continues to decline, the marine environment will not be able to sustain our way of life.”
        Gosh, the real tragedy of the murder of our planet is that if the planet is dead, it will no longer to be able to support our way of life.”
        DJ

        21 years isn’t a long time. And there’s the depletion of freshwater, topsoil, deforestation, etc…all with the population continuing to expand. (Google Al Bartlett, watch his video presentation that he gave for over 30 years about the exponential function and population growth).

        • daytrip June 12, 2017 at 4:37 pm #

          (correction) 31 years isn’t a long time, either, for those who can do math

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

          This is one reason I find the climate change focus so annoying. 21 years ago, those people were getting involved in a myriad of environmental issues. Now, they are so frightened over climate change, they’ve been castrated. a person has only so much time and energy.

        • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 4:51 am #

          daytrip-

          THANK YOU FOR A BADLY NEEDED DOSE OF REALITY. While most people are arguing about stupid shit, the natural world is imploding before our very eyes- Colony Collapse Disorder, White Nose Syndrome is now causing the deaths of millions of bats, Chytrid is decimating amphibians, etc.

          If you want to predict the future for human life on Earth, study the history of Easter Island. Understand why Easter Island is today a desolate and parched landscape bereft of flora and fauna.
          Before the arrival of man, Easter Island was Nirvana. Rich volcanic soils, moderate temperatures, abundant rainfall, forests teeming with unique flora and fauna combined to create a paradise. Among Easter Island’s species found nowhere else was the world’s largest palm tree. The tree grew to a height of 100 feet and had a girth of six feet.
          Then the Destroyer of Worlds arrived in the form of seafaring Polynesians. For a time, the land produced such bounty that sufficient leisure time existed for the human inhabitants to create the toppled over ghostly stone statues that still dot the island. Human population numbers grew far out of proportion to what was sustainable- poor farming practices eroded fertile soil, animal and plant species found nowhere else were driven extinct. Incredibly, the very last tree on the island was cut down. What kind of stupidity would allow this to happen (sound familiar)? Following this, no timber existed to build the canoes necessary to harvest the only remaining source of protein.
          The result: When Captain James Cook discovered the island, he was shocked to find a parasite infested human population engaged in cannibalistic internecine warfare. Welcome to the future folks.

          And don’t forget Tuesday is Soylent Green.

          • daytrip June 13, 2017 at 12:00 pm #

            You’re welcome. And, thanks for the laugh!

          • michael June 13, 2017 at 3:15 pm #

            Soylent Green is the solution!

  10. Dumbedup June 12, 2017 at 10:08 am #

    Trump won’t be able to spend one dime on any project including the “wall” because the money just isn’t there. He has already made an excuse for his failures by blaming Comey and the FBI investigation for interfering with his ability to govern.

    This is one deal he won’t be able to make.

    Here’s something else to think about. The French completed their investigation into Russian interference in their election in a little over 2 weeks and announced the results. In our partisan political and social culture we are still talking about the “investigation” 5 months into the Trump Presidency, and it started long before. It is a perfect example of our dysfunction and paralysis.

    • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 11:09 am #

      Good point. I think the reaction he got in Europe is indicative of this. Everyone knows he cheated and isn’t going to last.

    • Ishabaka June 12, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

      Good Lord – since when has the money not being there stopped any politician from spending money???!!! Don’t you understand how our political/economic system is supposed to function?

      • Dumbedup June 12, 2017 at 6:28 pm #

        Funny how that works isn’t it. Republicans are deficit hawks, yap about a balanced budget, and reducing the size of government until they get in power then all of a sudden deficits and debt don’t matter.

        • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 4:52 pm #

          Republican hypocrisy? Never (yeah right).

  11. dantesque June 12, 2017 at 10:11 am #

    I work in a San Francisco tech startup. As a Bay Area native, I’ve seen (and benefited from) the explosion of wealth firsthand. Just when I thought prices couldn’t go higher, they did, seemingly levitated from beyond.

    Although I bought my house long ago, I’m preparing for resilience in various ways. All things considered, the Bay Area is not a bad place to hunker down. I don’t believe a full on World by Hand is in the cards. But certainly a historic depression… a major reset towards local production… a more Third World existence. Yes, absolutely possible.

    • lsjogren June 12, 2017 at 10:31 am #

      The State of California is in a massive fiscal hole, and will increasingly seek to bleed anyone who’s not already financially destitute.

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:01 am #

        But I am told the illegals are going back to Mexico.

        California has ‘The Dreamers’ [Brown loves them]
        Government employees [some at 300k a year]
        Lots on unemployment and more and more people from the 3rd world.

        Any thoughts?

      • Helix June 12, 2017 at 7:43 pm #

        Not the way things usually go. Historically, the solution has always been to debase the currency, and ultimately to destroy it.

    • Sun Tzu June 12, 2017 at 11:46 am #

      Greetings Dantesque,

      Says ye: “All things considered, the Bay Area is not a bad place to hunker down.” Please elaborate upon this.

      According to Wikipedia, the Bay Area has a population of 7.68 million people. To my interpretation, this means 7.67 million people living there, who have never given the slightest consideration of how they would conduct their lives without the continuous availability of food, gasoline, water, electric power etc. If any major disruption were to take place, it seems to me that the chaos that this mass of people would create would completely overwhelm the efforts of anyone prepared.

      The second major concern is the decrepit state of critical infrastructure. (Oroville dam?) Remember that the water that bay areans rely upon travels quite a distance from the source. There ain’t no local fresh water. Also, PG&E’s neglect of repair and maintenance of its infrastructure (San Bruno fire?) is the stuff of legend.

      Anyway, just sayin’.
      Good luck!

      A Bay Area expat

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:03 pm #

        THE 4TH LINE—

        I don’t believe a full on World by Hand is in the cards

      • dantesque June 12, 2017 at 4:27 pm #

        “To my interpretation, this means 7.67 million people living there, who have never given the slightest consideration of how they would conduct their lives without the continuous availability of food, gasoline, water, electric power etc.”

        That’s the entire country. Nothing unique about the Bay Area in that regard. However, the Bay Area, and California in general, has some built-in benefits that many don’t consider:

        1. Close to the Central Valley, source of much of the country’s agriculture. It’s simply easy to grow things here.
        2. Mild weather. Air conditioning and heating are not even required, technically.
        3. Educated, high-income population. It sucks but richer people are generally better able to weather some disruption. On the downside, there is a lot of inequality. I’d hate to be stuck in Oakland during a major riot.
        4. Walkable with public transit. Not to the standard of Europe, Asia or NYC obviously but at least we’re not totally dependent on happy motoring.

        As for water and infrastructure generally, yeah we’re in a tough spot. But it’s not that much different than, say, Texas (strongtowns.org/journal/2016/5/31/texas-is-the-new-california-but-it-wont-last) only further along in decline.

        In any case, our challenges are surmountable given lifestyle adjustments. Ancient Rome, Greece & Byzantium for thousands of years thrived in similar climates so this idea that California is an unsustainable desert (unlike true deserts like Arizona, etc.) is hogwash.

        • Sun Tzu June 12, 2017 at 10:31 pm #

          Thanks for your reply. Rebuttals as follows:

          “1. Close to the Central Valley, source of much of the country’s agriculture. It’s simply easy to grow things here.”

          True. A concern would be that those are mostly capital intensive mega-farms. A large disruption in the financial markets/banking system could cripple them. They would likely need to be down-scaled, which would take much time and effort. Everyone loses whether near or far.

          2. Mild weather. Air conditioning and heating are not even required, technically.

          Excellent point. Agree 100%

          3. Educated, high-income population. It sucks but richer people are generally better able to weather some disruption. On the downside, there is a lot of inequality. I’d hate to be stuck in Oakland during a major riot.

          Disagree. The educated, high-income folks will be better able to vacate for greener pastures when there is a disruption. The downside is that they have what Mr. Kunstler famously described as a “distorted sense of entitlement”. I know these folks! They will be dead weight when the going gets rough. For my money, I’ll hang out with salt of the earth types who possess actual practical skills. Re: the inequity thing. Better be far away from that.

          4. Walkable with public transit. Not to the standard of Europe, Asia or NYC obviously but at least we’re not totally dependent on happy motoring.

          You must live in S.F. Anyway, I would suggest that you are indeed dependent upon happy motoring. Take the cars offline and see how fast the public transit systems are overwhelmed.

          Also, suggested reading: ‘The West Without Water” UC Press isbn 978-0-520-26855-5

          Hang in there!

      • ozone June 12, 2017 at 9:11 pm #

        A bit of Bay Area reality:

        ” Remember that the water that bay areans rely upon travels quite a distance from the source. There ain’t no local fresh water. Also, PG&E’s neglect of repair and maintenance of its infrastructure (San Bruno fire?) is the stuff of legend.

        Anyway, just sayin’.
        Good luck!

        So sayeth Sun Tzu.

        Oopsie, dante’s acolyte, a World Made by Hand is *very much* in the cards! … Depending on how far you are from major areas of Clusterfuckage.
        Arm up and remember: “Discretion is the better part of valor…”
        There’s a surprising amount of wild country in them parts.

  12. lsjogren June 12, 2017 at 10:26 am #

    In a financial system where government can create money in unlimited quantities, the endgame will not be defaulted debt, it will be hyperinflation.

    • venuspluto67 June 12, 2017 at 10:39 am #

      Up until now, only the world financial system has been receiving the vast majority of the printed largess. If they start handing out the money to the general population in a desperate, last-ditch attempt to stave off deflationary compression, then yes, I can imagine a protracted episode of hyperinflation setting in.

    • Helix June 12, 2017 at 7:47 pm #

      Exactly. By the way, I just got back from the grocery store. Judging by the prices I saw there today, I’d say that the hyperinflation is not all that far off.

  13. miner_tom June 12, 2017 at 10:26 am #

    I have been, and will continue to, read this blog from JHK. What he says makes sense but, seemingly, never comes to fruition.

    The rich seem to get ever richer and real estate prices and rents “shoot to the stars”, while attaining a good job is a forlorn hope for most.

    The “Trump bump” seems to go on forever and I see no one in the MSM say that they see anything wrong. And Trump followers, who’s lives revolve around Fox News and right wing “yell” radio, are ever loyal. As “The Rude Pundit” says, “A Trump supporter could walk into a room where his mother was raped and murdered, and see Trump with a dripping knife and a dripping penis, and he would say “I wonder why libtards hate America so much”.

    Perhaps it is WE who are delusional.

    • lsjogren June 12, 2017 at 10:33 am #

      And a progressive could watch his political heroes commit mass murder and then complain about Russkies interfering in our elections.

      • GreenAlba June 12, 2017 at 10:57 am #

        ‘And a progressive could watch his political heroes commit mass murder and then complain about Russkies interfering in our elections.’

        The thing about being truly ‘progressive’ is that you don’t need heroes, because life isn’t a John Wayne movie.

        If the Russians really did interfere in your election, people of both sides should be incensed. Their leader has people killed journalists and others who try to report on his shenanigans. And he didn’t become the richest man on the planet through hard work.

        I don’t know what the Russians did or didn’t do in your elections – or what promises they extracted from Trump’s team before he was even elected, but any responsible citizen should want to know. That doesn’t mean it’s the only – or even most important –
        thing you should be worrying about.

        • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 2:05 pm #

          Once more, if the Russians had anything to do with the political defeat of Hillary Clinton, they did the world a huge favor.

          • charlie foxtrot June 13, 2017 at 2:12 pm #

            Moron…even if you don’t like her- rather the idea you have in your pinhead from fux nooz- they fucked with America; not Hilary or Dems: you are a fing traitor if you think that’s ok just because it was the “other party”…

          • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 4:57 pm #

            Excellent point, CHARLIE FOXTROT.

            Can you imagine the reaction of these lover’s of our Dear Leader if the roles were reversed- Trump was defeated by Hillary due to Russian interference? Such liars and hypocrites.

    • thwack June 12, 2017 at 11:11 am #

      “I have been, and will continue to, read this blog from JHK. What he says makes sense but, seemingly, never comes to fruition.”

      *******************

      Are you sure you know what to look for?

      In addition I think you need some “age” on you in order to detect the “tells” that reveal we may already be in “The Long Emergency?”

      I keep a running checklist in my head of small things I notice being done that were not done before which indicate weak spots, short cuts and evidence the system is having difficulty maintaining itself.

      They are out there if you know what to look for?

      As a person with plenty of experience being broke, I know what its like to eat your seed corn, canibalize for spare parts, go full retard Potemkin Village…

      So I can’t really ignore it when I see it else where because like the rappers say: “game recognize game.”

      • thwack June 12, 2017 at 11:25 am #

        For example,

        I suspect the drive by states to decriminalize marijauna possession is being done as part of a plan to manage all the idle people out there who if too sober and too lucid for too long, might get violent?

        They use drugs and homosexuality to manage inmates in prison.

        If you are a guard the last thing you want is an idle inmate, sitting there sober, with nothing to do except look at you all day as the source of all their problems.

        • miner_tom June 12, 2017 at 12:04 pm #

          The prison system is designed to create slaves to the corporate state. The more prisoners there are the more the privatized corporate prison system makes. They also make money on the slave labor of prisoners.

          Nobody in Washington wants Pot legalized. Everything they do is designed to create more prisoners. Who, incidentally, mostly happen to be poor and who would tend toward voting Democratic (even though that would do them no good since Bill Clinton worked very hard to increase the prison population. In most states former prisoners lose their right to vote, permanently.

          Actually, when you think about it, the system is pretty impressive in its ability to suppress the population at large and extract profit from it.

          • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:05 pm #

            Blacks vote Democrat, usually, if they vote.
            One Democrat wanted [or many Dems] to give felons the vote.

            Why is that?

          • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:44 pm #

            They knew the blacks that voted for Obysmal were not coming out for Hillary. Many despised her after what she did to Obama. They needed to throw a few bones to the demographic.
            It’s all a zero sum game at this point. Just get into office any which way you can. Principles be damned.

          • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 5:01 pm #

            Malthus-

            You are so phony and transparent. Firstly, why should a person who has paid his debt to society be reintroduced as a second class citizen? Now, if this population was supportive of the Republicon agenda, you would be demanding equal rights.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 11:28 am #

        The Case-Deaton study should have been the big giveaway for anyone who wasn’t already on to the reality of what’s happening.

        brookings.edu/bpea-articles/mortality-and-morbidity-in-the-21st-century/

        Now that it’s out in the open, there really is no excuse.

        • My Point of View June 12, 2017 at 1:50 pm #

          My take from the Case-Deaton study confirms my view that as tax rates have gone down we have increased the destruction of our people, infrastructure, and stature. This is especially true since the idiot G.W.Bush threw away balanced budgets to give tax cuts to wealthy fucks who didn’t need tax cuts (then or now) and pay for it with borrowed money – the height of insanity for anyone calling themselves a “conservative” and Trump is trying to do it again.

          Our Federal government used to be our Gibraltar, the rock of faith on which modern prosperity was built since the New Deal. Taming the floods of the Tennessee River Valley, fixing the Dust Bowl, building roads, implementing an inland waterway system, building dams for hydro power and flood control, eradicating diseases and assuring sound banking and investment practices.

          The wealthy have so befuddled the minds of simple people by financing an endless supply of right wing bullshit radio that we see masses of people voting against their own best interests and to “deconstruct” the government, the same government that pays these idiot voters their SS, Medicare, Crop Insurances, food stamps, unemployment, etc.

          ISIS and Al Queda don’t have to fire a shot to take us down; the Koch Bros, Breitbart, Fox, Grover Norquist, Wall Street and the GOP are doing the job for them. In the 1930s we sold scrap metal to Japan and got it back at Pearl Harbor. Now we give people nothing but lies and wonder why they vote for the biggest liar on earth.

          The Roman Empire fell of internal rot. So shall we if we don’t wise up.

      • miner_tom June 12, 2017 at 11:58 am #

        Hi Thwack,

        “You should never go full retard” :-0.

        I think that I do have some age and experience’s to talk about as I am 62 years old. I’m a “mostly retired” (mostly broke) electronics engineer who has seen his profession (what I now call an occupation) reduced drastically by outsourcing while realtors and stock brokers are the “masters of the universe”.

        As for the “tells”, I have learned that we will never see them coming. I would have thought that 8 years of zero interest rates would have created such distortions in the economy that it would crash of its own bloated, debt ridden weight. It has not happened. Would have though that it would have happened years ago.

        We know now that if things do go bad, the “powers that be” (a phrase originated in the King James bible) will do whatever it takes to prop up those most responsible for the “badness”. They did it before and they will do it again, no matter who is in office.

        • capt spaulding June 12, 2017 at 2:56 pm #

          I agree with you, tom. I thought that after 8 years of George W and his Republican buddies fucking up the country, they would be unemployable after that. Look at which party is in charge right now, and employing the same policies that led to the financial crisis of 2008. There’s an old saying: “In a Democracy, you get the kind of government you deserve.”

          • MrTibbs June 12, 2017 at 4:32 pm #

            “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for lunch.
            “Republic (Liberty) is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

            -Ben Franklin.

            -T

            They call me Mr. Tibbs.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:28 pm #

      I live in New York, not far from Mr. Kunstler. I’m a “Trump follower”.
      We aren’t who the media says we are.
      I’m not delusional.
      At least I don’t believe in “Russian collusion” or think that Obamacare = “health care reform”. Ha.
      BTW, the asset stripping referred to didn’t just happen in middle America.
      Go to someplace like Arbor Hill in New York’s capital, and tell me why it looks like that.

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:07 pm #

        WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?
        WHAT IS IT?

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:39 pm #

        More people voted for the jerk because he had the audacity to say something like, “build the wall” and “lock her up”. Most didn’t believe he would or could. They liked someone that upset the soft ones: the eunuchs, sympathizers, and apologists. It’s all an act, from Hillary’s crocodile tears to Bernie’s unabashed patronizing of the snowflake generation. Thing is, most of the Trump voters, not the believers, but the voters, the ones that tipped the election, didn’t believe him, but they did enjoy his act. He put on a better performance. If you’re going to put on an act to get votes, best be a good show.
        People enjoyed someone slapping those they despise from career politicians to media mouthpieces and washed up war embarrassments (hero? McCain). That’s showbiz baby.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 1:31 pm #

      I think it is.
      For example, someone quipped during the election, what crime would she have to commit to finally get their attention? Stomp on kittens on live TV?

    • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 6:02 pm #

      The thought has crossed my mind.

    • ozone June 12, 2017 at 9:28 pm #

      miner tom,
      Please keep in mind that the ever-accelerating time-line of human geo-politics far outstrips the slow roll of what we’d like to call “the march of History”. In screen-obsessed, instantaneous, crap-filled, fetish-absorbed Wonderland of Techno-wow, the timeline of a decade or two gets lost in “the Now”. (jeeeeeezum-shit, I can’t believe I’m having to stretch this beyond fucking *YESTERDAY*, or perhaps the day before to show a geopolitical turn of events. Goddamn screen-staring junkies.)

      *Perspective*, goddamnit, perspective!

  14. vitaly2030 June 12, 2017 at 10:41 am #

    Jim,

    Dude, you are a salty this Monday morning.

    I’ll give you 3 out of 10 Cheese Doodles on this piece.

    Cheers
    VG

  15. Bro Jobe June 12, 2017 at 10:45 am #

    Financialization has also done its part wrecking higher education.

    Forget JHK’s rants about Maoists on campus. They are there, but the damage they inflict to our culture is puny, compared to the Accounting Majors.

    These kids waste four years studying something that will ill-equip them for Collapse. They have no historical memory, no cultural heritage, no critical-thinking practice. They are good at moving numbers that are pegged to illusion.

    And not a one understands it when I tell them to acquire another skill. The professorate think I’m crazy whenever I mention the Economy of Phantoms.

    Soon the phantom will depart, forever. What then? Accounting majors will make good serfs at my farming operation.

    • ozone June 12, 2017 at 9:42 pm #

      BroJobe,
      Will we have to *hand* them a shovel or *hit* them with it?
      (New slogan: Be productive or begone.)

  16. Cavepainter June 12, 2017 at 10:51 am #

    Uh,…..well,…..the whole point of high immigration rates (legal and illegal) was for keeping propped up real estate values. Otherwise, all those inner city properties that had sunk below code standards would have,….well, you know. That, in itself, drove values up in the outward expansion of sprawl. Then came gentrification. Americans have been extorted along with the “financialization” scheme by fear of losing the value of their only remaining asset; not job skill or knowledge (fading in value due to having been off-shored or influx of 3rd World labor) but their property, whether purchased for “flipping”, or as “investment” otherwise, or as primary residence. Think about it.

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:09 am #

      there is also a NGO economy based on ‘Refugees’ [real and fake ones]. If you go to Fakebook, ‘Refugee Resettlement Watch’ page.

      I am on youtube [listening to X22 report] and saw this, which I agree with,

      Restaurants have priced me out of the range. It really doesn’t matter which place you go to, plan on about 20-40$ per person per meal.
      I dont even go to restaurants much anymore, not worth the cost.?

      • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:46 pm #

        Poverty, Inc. and Refugees, Inc. are two of the Rackets, which are intertwined.

        The immigrants can be counted on to prop up the sub-prime auto loan financial racket. There was going to be a glut of used vehicles (leased cars) on the market; what would that do to the new car market?

        BTW, why do governments so concerned with MMGW, exempt trucks from emissions standards?
        If I buy a compact, fuel-efficient automobile, I pay an extra $500 or so for a “California Emissions package”, not so if I buy an SUV. I don’t know if it is still the case, but for a while there, I know there were tax breaks available to some who bought those.

        • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 2:56 pm #

          Yes. At you tube is a mini riot in Ohio.
          Immigrants lining up for free housing.
          The muslims are fat, cell phone owning and have new cars.

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 12, 2017 at 11:58 am #

      That, and to swell the Democratic Party rolls with new Democrats, as soon as they get a “pathway to citizenship.” Or even sooner than citizenship in some areas.

      Plus, the elites of both parties luvvvvves them some cheap labor. California is threatening to secede for the same reasons the South did in 1861— to protect the rich folks cheap labor,

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:48 pm #

        Another advantage to hiring the foreigners, besides price – they are unaware of things like fire codes and overtime pay and so forth.

        • My Point of View June 12, 2017 at 2:23 pm #

          Immigrants, especially illegal ones, are little more than modern day slaves – they have NO rights in the job markets.

          They get no overtime pay, no paid sick days, no paid vacation days, no paid health insurance, no workmen’s comp if injured, no equality of pay, no educational benefits, no right to redress for grievances, no standing to sue for cause, no protection from rape, and can be fired on the spot.

          The GOP’s business class loves these workers which means the border will not be closed nor a wall built by the orange buffoon in DC.

          The yahoos who voted for Trump will get fucked again and these sad-assed suckers will love it and holler even louder for him. Whatever happens they’ll do what they’ve done for generations, blame their plight on people of color while bent over GOP’s barrel.

          The dirty secret the GOP will never admit is that they want these people here to hold down wages and destroy unions so the monied class that owns the GOP can get ever richer. All the GOP has to do is keep pandering to rubes by blaming DEMs for not fixing it. Trump had no intention of fixing this mess, he too pandered to the rubes who only see the color line at voting time.

          Immigrants contribute to the corporate world’s lust for 3% annual “growth” to support Wall Street. Until Americans resume making babies to support a 3% growth rate the economy will languish where it is; immigrants are let in to spend their puny salaries here.

          The GOP will try to goose up the economy with tax cuts for the rich but you cannot increase consumption / growth by starving 90% of the population.

          The GOP in Kansas just over-rode a veto to pass tax increases since Gov Brownback’s trickle down experiment failed there, as it does everywhere it’s tried.

          • capt spaulding June 12, 2017 at 2:59 pm #

            Today’s Democrats are no better than the scum on the other side of the aisle. They’re all on the take.

          • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:09 pm #

            The first amnasty was from Reagan, so there is some truth in what you post.

            We just had 8 years of a Democrat president. How did that work out?

          • Cavepainter June 12, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

            Rubs, huh? Ah, the “all with one brush” dismissal. Seems evident from your listing of the adversities faced by illegal aliens that, none-the-less, prospect for them here remains a gain compared to what they left in their 3rd World nation of origin. Then of course, there’s the billions they pump back into their home country from wages stolen here — not spent, that is, in local economy nor taxed for support revenues of the social services and infrastructural system they use. An obvious omission in your remarks is due ire by citizens for having our national sovereignty disregarded — along with exclusivity of entitlement — that all office holders are oath bound to protect.

          • My Point of View June 12, 2017 at 6:29 pm #

            Malthuss, 8 years of a DEM president worked out well. Obama got us out of the great recession, added jobs, got millions covered with some form of health insurance (though not Medicare for all of us as I wanted) and the stock market recovered.

            On immigration reform Obama got a bi-partisan bill passed by the Senate but the House sat on it and let it die. So again it goes back to the GOP for not fixing this damned mess and for keeping the status quo rolling merrily along for businesses.

  17. seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 10:56 am #

    It will come when the oil starts to run out. We will all go to 4 day work weeks, then 3. Telecommute. Prices will begin to rise. Communities will organize around distribution centers. Amazon will collapse because single point distribution will not work. Bezos knows this, that’s why he is droning away and ubering too. The online economy will collapse. Trains will make a huge comeback. Ethanol will too. Air travel will shrivel and cede back to ships again. Slow and steady will replace fast and immediate. Overnight- fugetabout it. And you know what? People will relax and say that’s fine. It’s like when you go down to the islands. First thing they tell you is slow down, you’re on island time. Gringos expecting instantaneous service stick out like sore thumbs. All this rushing what has it gotten us?

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:04 am #

      Oh, lonely Seawolf,
      Amazon will collapse because single point distribution will not work.

      Why? Amazon is it. It is the new economy’s beacon.

      The GOV gave Bezos huge money after he bought the Wa Po.

      • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 11:17 am #

        This overnight single item distribution is the very essence of wasteful use of energy because we can. It has overturned the Walmart model. But it cannot last. We’re going back to trains moving everything to large distribution centers. Trucking will shrink dramatically. You should know that Malthusian handle. Amazon can deliver a single toothpick. A large automobile will travel miles to deliver a single toothpick. That is untenable.

        • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

          So people drive miles for a single item, yes?

          • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 12:08 pm #

            I am on you tube, now. Last ad I saw is for BlueApron.com.

            A new home delivery grocery business.

          • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 12:13 pm #

            Not when fuel becomes scarce. If you can throw fairy tale money at the problem with impunity, the equation then becomes all the oil under the ground, not the economically recoverable oil, because when money can be printed out of thin air, it doesn’t matter. In other words they have figured out a way to keep the oil economy going until every last drop of the stuff is gone.

          • ozone June 12, 2017 at 9:50 pm #

            “So people drive miles for a single item, yes?” -BadKiss

            Well sure, assholes are everywhere, no?

          • James Howard Kunstler June 13, 2017 at 9:40 am #

            Seawolf is right about single-point distribution.
            –JHK

        • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:52 pm #

          The government appears to be working hard to keep Amazon going.
          I notice they use the USPS vehicles on Sunday.
          I think the revocation of the affordable shipping option by the Postal Service was partly to force Americans into using Amazon International.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 2:18 pm #

            Congress also passed a bill requiring the USPS, within ten years, to fully fund its retiree health plan for the next 75 years. This is something no other business or government entity has ever been required to do, and the reason for it is pretty straightforward: to manufacture the impression that the postal service is in financial trouble when it isn’t.

            That’s a standard move in the playbook for privatizing and asset-stripping public services: Either cut funding or impose onerous requirements, resulting in crapification of the service, then declare it as an example of government incompetence and sell it off to the private sector for pennies on the dollar so they can squeeze revenues out of it.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 1:48 pm #

          Not if the post office distributes the packages while delivering mail. I live in a rural area, so sopping means lots of driving. Having packages bundled into small areas for delivery might actually be economical. And there might be local pickup centers as well.

        • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:21 pm #

          Large and small automobiles and airplanes deliver things called postcards. A mail truck can deliver a single small piece of card paper that says “Greetings from Fort Lauderdale!” .
          This is certainly tenable and has been for decades.
          Amazon just does it quicker.
          They don’t have legions of employees on the workers-comp dole like USPS.

    • My Point of View June 12, 2017 at 2:42 pm #

      My career was in transport. I know of which you speak about single point warehouses. If the oil runs out Amazon will be hurting if it still has only a few large centralized warehouses, but they are moving away from that by using 3rd party suppliers around the country.

      Early in my career we used RAIL to ship boxcars of grocery sugars to warehouses in various large cities where it would be stored for later local distribution at economic costs in a timely manner. That is the model you are referring to. If you watch a Baltimore Oriole’s home game and see that huge B&O Railroad warehouse out in right field then you are seeing the old model. B&O had similar warehouses in other cities, all built to a standard model. We were rather advanced back then at being efficient with how goods were distributed.

      A smart set of brick and mortar companies could cripple Amazon if they formed a retail consortium and developed the right software. Imagine if Kroger, Sears, Kohl’s and Lowe’s partnered to use their local stores as a LOCAL warehouse (which they ARE) and used a single software point of entry to place orders. These orders could be delivered next day at the latest or even the same day. Amazon knows this and is building both the software and physical model for themselves. Traditional retailers had better get there or they’ll lose – and it seems they’re losing.

      • seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 5:34 pm #

        Good post. I love it when I learn something here and not just toss insults. Thank you.

        • My Point of View June 12, 2017 at 6:23 pm #

          You’re most welcome. FWIW, my fave arcade game from the 1970s was SeaWolf and I sank a lot of shipping at Shakey’s Pizza.

      • ozone June 12, 2017 at 10:05 pm #

        MPoV,
        You’ve got that exactly right. We’ve bought our appliances (big-ticket items, peeps) from a consortium of sellers. One warehouse, large volume of high quality goods that KILLS the over-priced bullshit of seconds/second-quality crap that infests Home Sheep-o and Loew’s-low-and-lower that we’re advertized the shit out of on the idiot box any time you’d care to peek, (Not me thanks.)

        Look for them and be like “old-timey” purchasers; don’t settle for 2nds, unless you’d like to be labeled a sucker. (I don’t care who you are or where you live, there’s no reason to get taken by a bunch of bottom-line, bottom-feeding carpetbaggers.)

    • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:27 pm #

      Wrong. Look up. That’s a mobile floating distribution center. Wait, there are thousands of them. Motherships with fleets of drones recycling in the docking bays.
      Sergey Brin will use his to both entertain and deliver emergency supplies (how noble).
      Oil? We don’t need your stinking oil.

    • michael June 13, 2017 at 3:34 pm #

      The western world is depressing the price of oil (including plans to sell off the strategic reserve) as a means of economic war.
      This leads to decreased investment by the oil majors bringing the point of scarcity closer.
      But the spectacular success of fracking temporarily fills the hole.
      This gives you time to build your investment in oil companies or managed futures funds (e.g.DBO).
      Oil companies are also heavily indebted but have assets to back up the debt thus unlikely to go bankrupt soon. Should inflation pick up significantly they will be prime beneficiaries.
      Take advantage of the opportunity and build up your investment while prices are cheap.

  18. SvrzoH June 12, 2017 at 11:26 am #

    Finance world with air of mystique in mumbling performance of parroting ‘Marco Rubio of trading’.
    For that one needs to check current guest at USwatchdog site.

    Greg-the-host and Greg-the-guest are, apparently, the best of the buddies.

  19. MrTibbs June 12, 2017 at 11:35 am #

    The reference of “WE” in addressing the present state of arrangements continues to serve as a source of entertainment.

    There is no “WE” and there is no hegemonic perspective to be acquired.

    What there “IS” is a present state of arrangements in which a few are Roman decadent rich, a few more are well off, many are week to week on survival, many are addicted to the usual suspects of drugs, sex, gambling, and social media, and a few have successfully prepared for living, buying, growing, producing, and sustaining locally.

    The continued puzzlement represented by the many, represents the beginning of wisdom:
    youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA

    They call me Mr. Tibbs.

    -T

    • onehunglo June 12, 2017 at 12:16 pm #

      ah, mr tibbs, you very wise one indeed!

      onehunglo be remiss if not point out additional group: that group of many possess little to no useful skill in present economic arrangement.

      you one country have 6 million open job and 102 million available but not work.

      that ok.

      let not you heart be troubled.

      may God be with you.

      -onehunglo

      • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:58 pm #

        We have a lot of jobs that no one can actually do.
        For instance, the part-time on-call retail jobs. If you made the mistake of having children, no matter how motivated you may be, you can’t coordinate a schedule that changes by the week, without notice, with child care or with any kind of budget.
        You can’t make one month’s payment, they will come for your leased SUV that you have to have to work all those variable hours.
        Not everyone is forced to work that way, but a significant portion of Americans are.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 1:52 pm #

        Hunglo is Tibbs. Tibbes is Hunglo. They are the same. This is the secret we’ve been waiting to be revealed. Now things can begin to be different or idferrent.

        • onehunglo June 12, 2017 at 3:09 pm #

          ah, janos, onehunglo pleased, as you puzzlement and questioning indicate beginning of wisdom:
          youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkDVs0cA

          always remember, “one cannot appreciate beauty, without first know ugliness.”

          that ok.

          let not you heart be troubled.

          may God be with you.

          -onehunglo

  20. sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 11:42 am #

    Absolutely correct in every detail, Mr. Kunstler. But I would add that CO2 and global warming pose an existential threat to the species.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 1:59 pm #

      Naw, we could adapt to global warming. It would create vast amounts of new farmland. Global cooling would kill huge numbers immediately. Isn’t that what you folks want anyway?

      For most of the Earth’s history, there were no ice caps. Much, much warmer – with no industry unless the dinosaurs were a lot smarter than we think.

      • Helix June 12, 2017 at 8:00 pm #

        Not only can we adapt to global warming, but we indeed are going to adapt to global warming, because we’re not going to do shit about containing it. And everyone here knows that. We’re simply going to deal with the consequences.

        • ozone June 12, 2017 at 10:13 pm #

          Helix,
          Well there you go!
          Adapt or die; pretty simple.
          The Earth doesn’t care; it shall continue (as well as life in some form or ‘nother) til the Sun burns it away…. no regrets here.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

          Indeed, and it will be easier to do so than adapting to global cooling – the real civilization killer.

  21. sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 11:44 am #

    Sophia, you asked about CO2 last time. Some of those topics are a little technical, so I will respond with something definitive, which only requires high school chemistry.

    Recall that CO2 + H2O ==> H2CO3 (carbonic acid). Actually it’s an equilibrium reaction which can be pushed left with less CO2, or right with more CO2.

    The thing is, that life in the ocean exists in a narrow range of acidity, and we are getting uncomfortably close to the limit. More CO2 will increase H2CO3 and push ocean acidity even closer to that limit, and maybe over. You may have heard of coral die-offs. That’s just the tip of the iceberg – the real problem is algae, which produce most of the world’s oxygen. If the oceanic algae are threatened, most species of life on land become threatened. Including humans.

    That’s why CO2 is important. We face near-term extinction if the algae goes – and no-one knows exactly what combination of increased heat and increased CO2 and other potential stressors could do it.

    Time to act with a little caution, don’t you think? Or do you prefer to fly with a flight crew that’s drunk, stoned, and hallucinating? Because that’s safer than trusting a ‘common sense’ which is willfully ignorant of science, disdains mathematics, and ‘thinks’ that 19th Century techniques define the scientific method.

    Happy landings.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:00 pm #

      We have a local Nobel winner who thinks the warming theories are a wet.
      I defer to his greater knowledge.

      • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

        I defer to the consensus, which was 97% when I last checked.

        • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:42 pm #

          Can I get the list, of all the scientists they asked?
          And who would they be, the compilers of such a list?

          • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm #

            Yes, you are most wise. The Sun and the Earth are dancing – but He leads. When he dips her, she dips. When he takes a nap, we go into an Ice Age. That seems to be where we are going, considering the lack of sun spots.

          • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 3:15 pm #

            Here’s the documentation.

            climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 3:41 pm #

          “I defer to the consensus, which was 97% when I last checked.”

          You should get out more.

          • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 3:45 pm #

            How cute. That was a riposte?

          • ozone June 12, 2017 at 10:22 pm #

            Sophia-ist,
            Stop worrying and contending; when you dead — you dead; nobody cares how you got that-a-way. Relax yourself down into that 6-foot abyss of forever and experience the only continuum that actually “is”.

        • wolfbay June 12, 2017 at 5:17 pm #

          If you study the history of science the consensus is not only often wrong but it also makes scientific progress difficult because the majority cling to the status quo. Of course in this case the consensus may very well be right. I think there would also be scientific agreement that as Dr Hansen has pointed out the Paris accord even with the US on board would do virtually nothing to slow the rate of CO2 increase.

          • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 6:15 pm #

            Sure. The consensus could be wrong. After tens of thousands of studies, almost all of them pointing in the same direction, 97% of those involved could have it all wrong. AWG could, just possibly, be all wrong. Wanna bet your kid’s life on that?

            There is virtually no dissent on CO2. The first published report was in 1965, I think, and it identified an issue requiring attention. Nothing has changed scientifically except now we have more of the details, along with experimentally verified predictions on how badly things are going wrong.

            True, even with the US on board at Paris, things could have gone off the rails. But now it’s a lot more likely. You want the USA to lead the world? Then maybe the USA shouldn’t lead the world off a cliff, a cliff that’s plain to see and marked on all the maps. But maybe, just maybe it isn’t there.

            But hey, no big deal, just near-term human extinction.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 2:03 pm #

      There’s a lot of hype. I watch videos about coral reef die-off, and find out it was land pollution runoff that caused it a particular, local spot.

      I need a lot more explanation about this carbonic acid and its reactions. I note that you didn’t answer any of my questions.

      • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 3:19 pm #

        What I gave you was a sufficient reason to be concerned. I’m not in the debunking business, but I sometimes help those who want to learn.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

          Give me an article that explains the carbonic acid. But no, you gave me a very disconnected factoid which is almost certainly not true at all. Are you even aware what the counterarguments are? It doesn’t appear so.
          You totally ignored some really important data. Your facts about carbonic acid need to be fit into my 5 questions.

          Gosh, I doubt you read them, and they really are interesting!

          • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 3:49 pm #

            Any high school chemistry text will do.

    • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 2:05 pm #

      West Coast on an Acidification Trip; Fishing Industry in Peril

      nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/west-coast-on-an-acidification-trip-fishing-industry-in-peril.html

      Hot spots of ocean acidification have been found in the waters that wash onto the shores of the West Coast, a major concern for the region’s billion-dollar fishing industry as well as the region’s potentially fragile coastal ecosystems.

      A new study of a 600-mile span of coastline found some of the lowest pH levels ever measured on the ocean surface, showing that significant acidification can be found in waters right along the shore.

      “Ocean acidification has made landfall” across the entire area, coauthor Francis Chan, an Oregon State University marine ecologist, said.

      But the news from the study, detailed May 31 in the journal Scientific Reports, isn’t all bad: Some areas had more moderate pH levels, and both these and the hot spots persisted in the same areas from year to year. This could give researchers and officials looking to protect marine life a map of where to concentrate efforts to mitigate against rising ocean carbon dioxide levels.

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:14 pm #

        I think plastic is more of a threat.
        I see so many things packaged in plastic.
        foods, goods, etc.

        • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 3:57 pm #

          No, it’s definitely acidification. Low pH eats away at calcium carbonate, i.e. the shells of shellfish, including the tiny plankton that are the foundation of the ocean food chain. Without them, everything collapses.

      • sophia June 12, 2017 at 3:45 pm #

        What are the chances that the hot spots are from pollution?

    • michael June 13, 2017 at 3:41 pm #

      But what of all the times when it was much hotter (most of the time) and CO2 higher than now? Did not life then require oxygen?

  22. 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 11:45 am #

    I’d never expect a lifelong Dogmacrat to get this, (if not blaming Russians, they’re blaming Comey or latent misogyny) but many more voters be they GOP, Democratic, or independents voted for Trump as a big f*** you to the establishment, an establishment that offered up Hillary and a Rubio-Cruz missile, rather than any belief in MAGA promises. Clean up only occurs after a fall. Might as well usher it in.

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:15 pm #

      Indeed. A big ‘we dont want the Clintons back’.

    • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 4:50 pm #

      To 100th Avatar, Exactly my rationale in voting for Trump. I thought, at least with him we had a chance. Now, not so much. Sometimes you have to tear it all down and start over. Let the chips fall where they may.

  23. snuggles June 12, 2017 at 11:45 am #

    And then the woman called them “a basket of deplorables” for noticing what had happened to them.

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME JAMES?! I hate HRC. I did not and would not vote for HRC. But she said HALF of them were deplorable for being racist, sexist, xenophobic assholes. And they were! And are! The OTHER half (that she talked about, but you fucking PURPOSEFULLY do not mention THAT) were the people you are talking about.

    And really, who are you kidding. Those people in the rust belt are not innocent. They thought they could continue to get something for nothing, just like their daddies did: good paying, secure jobs making cars that require fuel for which we are not paying the external costs of. Oh, woops, it turns out being a white man that got lucky enough to be born in america in the 20th century doesn’t entitle you to be top-dog. Whaaaaaa.

    James, you have a keen intelligence, and you have something worthwhile to contribute to society. But this blog is not it. You are doing a MAJOR disservice to your community and culture by bullshitting the conspiracy-theory idiots that frequent this site.

    Shame on you. You can do better. You should do better.

    • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 12, 2017 at 11:55 am #

      The people doing a major disservice to this blog, and the country, are those who run around whining about racists, sexists, xenophobic white assholes.

      Because they are just cultists. The same as rattlesnake handling Pentecostals in the wilds of West Virginia. They just have a different set of silly beliefs. But the mindset is the same.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

    • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 12:02 pm #

      Chill out a little, Snuggles. You make valid points which pertain to the discussion, and which refine my own understanding. Thank you.

      But JHK’s major point was how people are being distracted from noticing what is being done to them. That too is valid.

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 12:42 pm #

        Even if they are not distracted, what can they possibly do?
        They are literally helpless. Powerless.
        Everyone here thinks they’re on to more than the next. Everyone in this mouth-breathing smorgasbord thinks they have it all figured out.
        Well don’t you know “they” did it?
        People know they have been marginalized. Their opinion doesn’t matter, nor their vote.
        And then comes a rabid bull to the door of the china shop. Well, let it the **** in.
        But this can’t happen. “They” planned for him to come, to take the fall. They want him to.
        Don’t you know?

        • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 12:51 pm #

          I don’t entirely agree. You may be right, but maybe not. Maybe we still have a slim chance of survival.

          But if we allow ourselves to be distracted by “a frank discussion about race in this country”, or “LGBTQRTSVW rights”, or “Muslims”, then we lose that chance.

          The Catholics and Protestants could afford that drivel in the 17th Century. Today, not at all.

          • routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm #

            You have spoken my fear. Going back to 700 not 1700.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:09 pm #

            Exactly the opposite: tribe will become even more important as the Long Emergency deepens. It will become everything. Groups will compete for scare resources. Individuals with no tribe? C’mon, be real. They’ll be history.

            Read Kunstler’s “World Made by Hand” series. Why did Job’s group migrate to upstate New York? Ethnic violence in the South and Mid Atlantic states. And their arrival saved the Community from the growing power of the White rednecks, allowing the Judge to finally do his job. No fool – he wasn’t going to play the Judge if he had no power to behind him. Thus he stayed on his Estate where he did have power until they came.

      • snuggles June 12, 2017 at 9:11 pm #

        No, I get his point. He is purposefully distorting what is true to pander to a bunch of people that think they are smarter than they are. It’s disgusting and unworthy of his talent and intelligence, and he knows it.

      • ozone June 12, 2017 at 10:34 pm #

        “…JHK’s major point was how people are being distracted from noticing what is being done to them. That too is valid.”

        sauerK,
        I would contend — that’s the MOST important point of ALL in this maelstrom of lies and obfuscation by *professional* bullshitters!
        Who do *you* trust? (Me? Few, and getting fewer by the day. Is that “mission accomplished” by those that wish us to be divided and easily conquered/swayed?)

        • sauerkraut June 13, 2017 at 11:57 am #

          Agreed O3. Nice to see a consensus arising on the matter.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:09 pm #

      The other half, oh goody – Queen Hillary has excused us.
      How about I noticed that people like her presided over the destruction of the places we live in, while she herself and her stupid daughter even, became inexplicably wealthy?
      I’m supposed to support someone like her?
      What did she ever do for New York? What did she ever do for “health care”?
      What CAN she do? What skills does she possess?
      She said she would put her husband in charge of extending economic well-being to those of us who were “left out” of Obama’s wonderful recovery. See, I don’t need Mr. K to tell me exactly what she said. If her husband knew what to do about the economy, why didn’t he tell Obama about it already, so we didn’t have to elect his no-talent wife?
      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not one of the people who can be fooled all the time, by the same people.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:05 pm #

      In other words, Whites feel they have the same right as other peoples – such as the right to have their own Nations. Or if they must live with others, to have equal rights with them, including the right to organize and advocate on their own behalf. The real question thus becomes, Why are you people such bigots?

    • Cavepainter June 12, 2017 at 3:39 pm #

      Oh sweet, caring, compassionate Snuggles, so angry and full of redemptive “shoulds” for white folk and (I guess) Western Culture in general. Its just insufferable that though Western Culture (“whites”) advanced all areas of human endeavor centuries beyond all prior, it somehow failed to essentially change human behavior. Oh, lordy! Never mind that folks here living on food stamps (or dumpster diving) are better off than probably half of the eight billion on earth. As for innocence of “those people”, you don’t suppose that like they in their time you are as smugly wrapped up in the contemporary public discourse of this age,…..no?

    • hmuller June 12, 2017 at 11:20 pm #

      Snuggles, what are you – some collegiate snowflake social justice warrior? You think people who work in factories are “the get something for nothing” crowd. How ironic you Bolshevik Bernie lovers are so hateful of actual working class people.

      Who are the really useful people? Wall Street financial engineers, diversity studies college professors, and Washington bureaucrats?

  24. volodya June 12, 2017 at 11:51 am #

    There’s a lot of make-believe in financial markets. The biggest make-believe is that the Book of Lies that underpins it all isn’t a book of Lies but rather akin to a text on Laws as solid as those of physics.

    You could write a tome deconstructing the Lies one by one. But, sadly, it would be pointless. It would be like Morpheus telling people embedded in the Matrix that they are living in an unreality, living a lie.

    Living a lie? Living in a system designed to deceive them? How can this be? The steak is juicy and delicious so why should anyone believe Morpheus? See, the Matrix has a leg up on Morpheus because the captives are invested in the deceptions they’re living. Stick that Red Pill up your ass Morpheus, leave me alone, the steak is good, so is the wine and the cigar too. Ignorance is bliss.

    Ignorance is bliss not only for people living in the fictitious Matrix but also in Blue State 21st Century America. No matter that the facade crashed down in 2008 revealing the wreck within, the Fed and Congress bent and broke laws to get the brickwork restored no matter what crap it concealed.

    The fascinating thing about the Book of Lies is its insinuation in wider society such that its tenets are pretty much unquestioned, at least among the ruling elite. Like a particularly devious virus it embedded itself in the cultural DNA. You find its manifestations in laws and governing institutions. Regulatory bodies are dedicated to its nurturing, college faculties are dedicated to its propagation. If the ruling consensus is that the Lies are Laws, then people are required to talk and act as if the Lies are Laws.

    We’ve seen this before. The ancient Egyptians expended enormous effort and resources to build Pyramids for the sake of things that don’t exist. Now they sit there in the desert as monuments to folly. No matter what the ruling consensus is, no matter that the great and the mighty say that something is so, and regardless of the effort expended in asserting otherwise, Lies are Lies. In the end, Reality will have its way.

    • ozone June 12, 2017 at 10:51 pm #

      V.,
      Would that include our beloved “Doctor” (bwaaaaa hahahaha) Krugman? Yikes! — Not only am I bereft, I’m completely (and without reservation) distraught!
      He’p us pleeeze! Could it be that gawd is *not* on our side?? (Ummm, someone remind me — what side are we on, anyhowgeewhich? …There’s ‘good’ terr’sts and there’s them bad terr’sts; only Georgie W can say “which”………………………………………………

      “Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”

      Now we must ask: What part of george the lesser could possibly be considered as “mighty”? (Study on that, if you will.)

    • michael June 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm #

      I view the pyramids as a testimony to the smallness of man and his vanity. Where I live I see the mountains built by small marine organisms
      which cover the pyramids millions of times over.

  25. seawolf77 June 12, 2017 at 11:51 am #

    This is where I get confused. That 20 billion barrel field in West Texas worth 900 billion (20 billion times $45 a barrel price) magically assumes that oil will leap out of the ground for free. It will take 1.4 trillion to get that oil out of the ground.
    forbes.com/sites/arthurberman/2016/11/20/permian-giant-oil-field-would-lose-500-billion-at-todays-pr…
    But if it’s all fairy tale money, who cares. Right? I mean if you can print money, and it has worth, what does it matter how much it costs to do anything?

  26. Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 12, 2017 at 11:52 am #

    Well, if J H could get past his animus towards Trump, he would realize that the the bringing back of American jobs from China is the first step toward the “localization” he cries for.

    Come the “Long Emergency”, we sure ain’t getting cell phones, thermos jugs, hand tools, etc. all the way from China or Vietnam. At least if those factories were here, we could ship them around on horse drawn wagons around the country.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:58 am #

      Robotics is the future. Soon. Not 30 years from now.
      What to do with 3 billion Chindians?
      Chemtrail them to death?

      • pequiste June 12, 2017 at 2:57 pm #

        Ask onehunglo.

        He seems to know something about a “special” additive (adjuvant) that will take care of the “problem” of overpopulation, not only in CHindia but also in Africa, Europe, North and South America , and Oceania.

        Let not your heart get heartburn.

        • onehunglo June 12, 2017 at 3:22 pm #

          ah, pequiste, you have memory far surpass that predicted by you one Jonathon Gruber.

          onehunglo agree to serve 30 year as bio-chemist in Red China in exchange for State repair of back injury.

          now enjoy life free from Red China, living quiet in Hong Kong.

          work for Red China produced adjuvant additive to mandatory vaccine for Red China army.

          adjuvant have many unintended consequence on behavior, include interruption of neurotransmitter messaging and result in reduction cognitive processing, make many subject vulnerable to depression and psychotic break reality.

          once discovery made, State stop inoculating troops, but rather share with State pharma production companies.

          as result, global pharma unwittingly purchase adjuvant and introduce into widely administered batches vaccines.

          onehunglo repent every minute every day for participation.

          let not you heart be troubled.

          may God be with you.

          -onehunglo

          • ozone June 12, 2017 at 11:03 pm #

            Troops, absolutely *first*, one sucked into abdominal cavity so as to be not-of-this-world-or-the-next!
            Wassamatta U.?
            (I detect the stench of unexamined worship.)

    • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 1:15 pm #

      That was just an artistic conceit involving nostalgic river barges in support of a fiction series.

      Of course we can’t have any industry here again, ever.
      That would be fanciful or fictional.

      The desire to bring back local production and manufacturing is almost always pilloried as unrealistic desires for steel and auto manufacturing.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:16 pm #

      I don’t get it. I’ve been watching what has been going on for a long time.
      We were supposed to be looking at a Bush/Clinton choice in the last election.
      One man stepped up. Why don’t the people who deplored what was happening get behind the only one who has even indicated that he understand what the false economy is?
      Think he’s wrong about some things? WORK WITH HIM!
      He’s asked for input. I truly don’t get it.
      I mean I get where some of it comes from. Some people came out relatively on top in the financial breakdown, and they would very much like to preserve that privilege.
      I mean the people who know what is going on, see what’s been happening, and would rather sit back and hurl insults at Donald, just because he’s slightly orange.

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 1:29 pm #

        But he is obnoxious!!!!
        He said covfefe!!
        He likes gold embellishments!!!

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 2:17 pm #

          It’s another reason people voted for him. So sick of the endless pablum, and here’s a guy who sometimes speaks truths, from small outrageous things like telling a pretty reporter that her looks got her the job (true), that if you’re rich and famous women behave completely differently (that one really got them!) and also saying that he is going to have a real investigation in 9-11. Not that he will or anything…

      • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:17 pm #

        Trump is hopeless without Bannon. Bannon knows the limitations of modern Capitalism. Trump can’t sit still long enough to think his way thru it. And if you forced him too, he wouldn’t accept his own conclusions, being too far from all he knows and loves.

        Japan keeps 3rd worlders out and has invested in robots. Thus the Life of leisure promised to us for generations is within their grasp. We sold our inheritance for a mess of 3rd World pottage. Of course, Peak Oil and Environmental carnage may get them. But at least they were sane enough to keep their nation. The nation is the People, not the mere territory.

        • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:18 pm #

          Japan experts say Japan is a mess.
          Fukashima, bridges to no where, unemployment.

          What asset Japan has is its people, smart, hard working, Xenophobic.

          Its problems include abortion. japan is not finished, but close.

          • sophia June 12, 2017 at 3:55 pm #

            But their population is too high. Should they need children, they will have them.

          • thwack June 13, 2017 at 11:42 am #

            But that may not be how the system works?

            By the time you figure out you need them, the sexual system dynamics may have shifted in a manner that fossilized the “tools” and culture necessary to produce children?

            For example, when you free dive, its possible to run out of air on the way back to the surface because you went too deep?

            When do you find out you went too deep?

            You don’t; your next of kin gets that information.

            You need a certain amount of people to have a HEALTHY breeding population, and that number is actually kind of large. Once you go below it, a population may not ever recover even though it appears to be “lots of them.”

            This is why extinction catches people off guard.

            This may be the last full blooded Tasmanian:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini

        • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 6:44 pm #

          A hat tip to
          Janos for the “third world pottage” post.

        • michael June 13, 2017 at 3:54 pm #

          You long for a life of leisure?
          Really?

      • daveed June 13, 2017 at 12:39 am #

        “Why don’t the people who deplored what was happening get behind the only one who has even indicated that he understand what the false economy is?”

        Because…..(personally speaking) I never saw an iota, scintilla, or molecule of evidence that Trump was interested in anything other than himself. His standards of behavior are the antithesis of the values that most of the world’s religions and philosophies hold dear.

        He is, simply put, a bad man.

    • charlie foxtrot June 12, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

      Problem is, the “jobs” coming back from China and Mexico are bringing the wages with them: think you can afford to eat, much less buy an IPhone on $2 a day?! I have never understood why so many people believe lip-service…care to take a stab at explaining yourself?

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 2:19 pm #

        Apple is sitting on nearly $300 billion cash thanks to slave labor.
        Care to explain why they are not expected to explain?

    • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 6:40 pm #

      The toolmakers would probably be the most important ones to bring back. I recently had to purchase a set of British standard Whitworth wrenches and sockets to use on an old BSA motorcycle. Guess where they were manufactured. I think there are still people in the states with the needed skills and if not they could be trained. Certainly don’t need to import more foreigners for the jobs. Again overpopulation is our biggest problem. After that comes racial, religious, natural resource issues. Mother nature make take care of population excess with famine, disease or both. Or maybe it will be controlled with warfare, which may be the most likely outcome in the end. By the way the tools were manufactured in China. I did find some old British made tools that were ridiculously expensive. So far the Chinese stuff is holding up.

  27. malthuss June 12, 2017 at 11:53 am #

    This is probably the most significant blog post—– a Utica, NY resident says about the Islamization of the city through UN-directed refugee resettlement.

    refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/…/my-hometo…/

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

      Can’t find it.

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:20 pm #

        I hit main page and scrolled
        refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2017/06/11/my-hometown-utica-is-gone/

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 4:06 pm #

          Wow, if this is happening it means that Trump is completely two-faced, and might be the antiChrist.

        • elysianfield June 12, 2017 at 5:29 pm #

          Malthuss,
          What the hell? What is wrong with immigrants who want to assimilate? The blog said nothing…just some ramblings of another person who “can’t go home, again”. The blog was without point or substance…foreigners moving here that have responsible jobs, shop at Wallyworld, and participate in the democratic process.

          C’mon man, bring the “rain, mud, shit and blood”…the missive sounds like a system that works…”where’s the beef…?”

          Compare the blog with the weekly report from BRH on places where the system doesn’t work…many examples.

          • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 9:11 pm #

            Elysianfield, you must be a muslim or some other nationality other than American or European. America can’t take all who want to come here, nor can other countries more desirable to live in than third world hell holes. I don’t give a shit if they assimilate or not. I still don’t want them here. I want to live among my own kind. Culture means a lot. I guess bacteria is the only culture that you have.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 9:54 pm #

            What the hell what the hell? Immigrants? Can you be any less specific? As if they’re all created equal? Can a pit bull fit into a culture Golden Retrievers?

            Like unto like. Only men like unto ourselves. And women with whom we can create more like unto ourselves; in whom our seed will not be lost or corrupted but flourish like the palm tree.

          • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 11:09 am #

            Beard and Janos,
            No I am not a Muslim, and I am not in favor of unrestricted immigration, I feel there should be no legal immigration at this time, and I am for the arrest and repatriation of all illegals. However…the article seemed to describe EXACTLY what a successful scenario regarding immigrants would entail…people assimilating and going about their business as citizens, without drama. If we are forced to incorporate those in the country that are legal, this is the best we can hope for.

            I am in agreement with JimInFlorida that a natural animus of a foreign culture is omnipresent in all other human cultures, and I accept that, but is this not describing the best scenario that we can expect, considering the “Realpolitik” of the issue? If we cannot kill or forcibly export these people, is this not the best we can hope for?

            And Beard, who in power gives a shit what either of us want? I am generally in agreement with Janos’s eugenics issues…his would be the optimal scenario…this is the unfortunate reality.

  28. Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 12:03 pm #

    The word of the day is no longer “collusion”, it’s “obstruction” in case you haven’t noticed.

    • routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

      Well said!

    • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:19 pm #

      The only chance we have is for Trump to declare Martial Law. Hopefully he will call for volunteers once Civil War breaks out.

      • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:23 pm #

        Please, Little Hitler, do you think about the gated ‘communities’?
        Do people feel safe there?
        Who is the gatekeeper?

        Look at that dipshit who was arrested.
        What was her name? Winner? Who vetted her?

        Who vets the police? the security guards?
        itll be every man and woman for them self.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 5:06 pm #

          Stop thinking so small. Or are you willing to volunteer to be a sacrifice to Odin? The Blood Eagle is painful, but it will be over fairly quickly.

  29. FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 12:03 pm #

    Over the past 200 years, after Malthus articulated the problem of the contradiction between the limited planetary resources and the number of mankind growing exponentially, three fundamentally different futurological concepts stood the test of time:

    1. Mankind is divided into two biologically different species – “superhumans” and “subhuman”. Superhumans destroy subhumans as competitors for diminishing natural resources, ensuring a high standard of living for the remaining few.

    2. Mankind continues to develop and multiply, compensating for the exhaustion of natural resources with the achievements of scientific and technological progress.

    3. Humanity uses the remaining resources to enter the Cosmos and gain access to unlimited resources of the Solar System and the Galaxy. And the land turns into a resort for the brave conquerors of the Galaxy.

    The latter two concepts became especially strong after 1945, during the Cold War. This is most likely due to the fact that at that time the concept #1, hereinafter referred to as pessimistic, lost its relevance in view of its obvious connection with Nazism, and secondly, the fact that the use of nuclear weapons made the resources which were supposed to be won, inaccessible.

    After the geopolitical catastrophe of the collapse of the USSR, humanity lost an alternative to the insanity of financial capitalism and the controversy between the scarcity of the earth’s resources and the unlimited opportunity to print dollars came to the fore.

    And honest attempts by the US government to limit and take control of its own printing press, in the absence of an external deterrent force, which until 1990 was the USSR, reminded Baron Munchausen pulling himself out of the swamp by his hair, and were objectively doomed to failure.

    As a result, the postmodern concept was formed, essentially identical to the futurological concept #1, and in its most presentable form formulated by Francis Fukuyama. And it should be noted that, apparently, the administration of Bill Clinton drove nails into the coffin on futurological concepts #2 and #3, hereinafter referred to as optimistic.

    This conclusion follows from the fact that funding for scientific research in the field of energy (thermonuclear) and space which are key to these concepts has been cut.

    The only optical sign of the existence of concepts No. 2 and No. 3 in the postmodern world is the project of the EU hadron collider. Unfortunately, the crisis of postmodernism affected not only morality (I consider it obvious that concept #1 is immoral), but also the scientific method as the basis of Western civilization, which was manifested in the failure of this project.

    The Western science has lost the criterion of truth and became a victim of the collapse of the concept of “reality”, as a philosophical category. In the field of economy, this manifested itself in the separation of economic indicators from material production and in deindustrialization of the most developed countries. In the field of physics, the appearance of theories of so-called gauge fields, which can not be compared with experiment in view of an arbitrary number of adjustable parameters and “world constants”.

    Proceeding from this, in the next 20 years the hadron collider will be busy searching for the Higgs boson and adjusting the “world constants” to the fact of its non-existence. One can not even exclude that the Higgs boson and the corresponding Nobel Prize will be found several times just for subsequent disappearance in the corresponding black hole.

    Even in the field of mathematics, the crisis of the scientific method was manifested in the absence of interest in the study of the correspondence between exact and numerical solutions of partial differential equations.

    This crisis of scientific thinking is connected not so much with the development of science as such, as with the Western European mentality formed by the Great Schism of 1054. It is shown that since the time of Barlaam of Calabria and William of Occam in the West, the single (private) and / or material is considered real. Within the framework of the Eastern European mentality formed by Orthodoxy, “reality”, as a philosophical category, is a derivative of the so-called ontological reality (creation from nothing by God) within the framework of the Abrahamic tradition of pre-Christian Judaism and received final confirmation by the fact of the Incarnation.

    Russian science, created by Peter the Great and Mikhail Lomonosov, initially took a technical competition with Western science, without taking as a basis the West European mentality. Moreover, it successfully survived this competition, which was manifested in the works of Nikolai Lobachevsky, Dmitry Mendeleyev, Nikolai Vavilov, Alexander Fridman, Igor Tamm, etc.

    The works of these scientists not only made the glory of Russian science and demonstrated the advantages of the Eastern European mentality as an ideological basis of science, but also show ways to overcome the current crisis of the scientific method, thereby allowing a second life to breathe into the secular optimism of futurological concepts #2 and #3.

    Moreover, the fact that for Christianity the pessimistic scenario is categorically unacceptable, since the hypothesis of the division of mankind into two kinds turns the incarnation of God into man into a complete absurdity, means that it is possible to use the powerful resource of Orthodox ethics as a source of social optimism in Russia.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 2:30 pm #

      Finc,

      The creation ex nihilo is not an eastern one. It is shared by the west. But you did not explain what this different mindset is. The west, you say, believes that matter is reality. What would you say is the eastern one?

    • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:31 pm #

      Billy of Occam did present a case of nascent modernism, or trying to separate out aspects of Reality instead of accepting the full organic Mystery. Thus he said that God being God could have ordered us to hate each other and that would have been fine since He is God. This denies so much of the best of us and where it comes form – being created in His image in other words. It’s just isolating God as Power or Will from God as Love. The Muslims have this tendency as well in some of their theology – a mistake the Orthodox never make.

      You must admit that Communism was a radical departure from this intellectual tradition though. Not only did they reject and persecute all theology and religion, but their nuttiness extended to Science as well. Stalin didn’t like how Darwinism negated the efforts of the People and so went with the Lamarckian, Lysenko. People say this lead to agricultural disaster and famine.

      • sophia June 12, 2017 at 4:13 pm #

        Well said, Janos. That sort of statement by William of Occam, if that is what he said, shows shallow thinking.

        God does not give out rules that are arbitrary, they all flow naturally from Her fundamental goodness, the only “one who is good.”

        It is also troubling to me that people think God can do what is obviously morally repugnant to us because He’s the boss. So if He does it, it’s okay and even good!

        Either God is good and we have souls which are our conscience and can be used to discern good from evil, (God from evil) or not. And if all our most sensitive morality is turned upside down when it comes to the Godhead itself, then we are lost at sea!

    • michael June 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm #

      Mathematics is not science. It is strictly deductive. Inductive processes operate in the discovery phase but are then deleted (rarely reported) and not considered significant.
      Theories are not confirmed, refined or rejected by experiment.
      Indeed there is no analogue of a scientific theory in mathematics.

      Basically mathematics does not care if it corresponds to natural reality
      and it is thus a major point of surprise that it seems to do so.

      • thwack June 13, 2017 at 8:14 pm #

        Except when it doesn’t

        Its the only “craft” or discipline that can produce proof; everything else only provide evidence.

        The paradox is, sometimes the mathematical proof provided in the form of an answer is irrational.

        Thats when, like the legal or financial field, it turns into sorcery?

  30. Newton Finn June 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm #

    As one largely ignorant of the so-called science of economics, let me ask a really dumb question that keeps surfacing in my clouded, often confused mind. What does it mean that we, meaning the human race in general and the United States in particular, can’t afford to do something? Once off the gold standard or any other physical ground or constraint, money would seem to be nothing more than a social agreement. I do this for you, you give me money, and I use that money to get someone else to do something for me. As long as we all play along with the game, life goes on and we get the goods and services we need or desire. I’m aware that money, these days, is created by central banks in linkage to debt, but why need this be the case? As long as the social agreement to honor money exists, could it not be created and distributed in quite different ways? It always strikes me as odd that we seem able to create massive amounts of money out of thin air to shore up plutocracy or wage perpetual war, but when it comes to doing useful and necessary things like restoring environmental damage, providing higher education, caring for the sick and injured, eliminating grinding poverty, etc., the automatic response is that we can’t afford it. No doubt it’s my ignorance about economics that causes this question to keep surfacing, so let me just ask JHK and his readers to set me straight: why the hell can’t we, assuming we had the collective power and will, simply create all the money we need to do the things we must do to have a civilized and sustainable society? If necessary (and I’m not sure they would be if money and debt were not linked) couldn’t reasonable balancing measures be implemented intermittently to avoid inflation?

    • FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 12:27 pm #

      No, inflation in your scenario is unavoidable, but it could be exported to the mankind of the second and third rate – which is why we are having 99% of our current international tensions.

      Your are referring to pessimistic scenario.

    • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 1:08 pm #

      No, it’s not your ignorance. When I was an Econ TA, I learned that Economics is not intended to be a normative science (of how things should be done according to some criterion), but a descriptive science (how things are actually done).

      Unfortunately, in my opinion, Economics fails to fulfill even this promise.

      If you attend an Economics lecture, you are likely to hear a statement such as, “Assume constant demand.” If you cross to the business school, they say, “There’s this thing called advertising.”

      The failure of Economics as a field, aside from flashes of inspiration like Arrow’s Theorem and the research on political topics like agendas, is near absolute. But it has succeeded admirably as intellectual cover for the status quo. All of this, in my opinion.

      That is, Economists are Apologists. In my opinion.

      • sauerkraut June 12, 2017 at 1:13 pm #

        I retract this. There was no call to affront the practitioners of a field who may honestly believe in their calling.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 2:35 pm #

          I assume most apologists do.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:39 pm #

          Why retract? They are fools. And foolishness to this degree involves knavery at some level of the consciousness. It must.

          It’s not a science but a humanity. And thus economics must be judged by human motives and have humane goals. Instead it’s just a “scientific” justification for theft, greed, and/or fraud.

          I was once reading a History of Ireland. The author admitted that food was being exported from Ireland during the famine – but defended it. He explained, You have to understand how serious a thing it is to interfere with the Market.

          This is the result of trying to be “scientific” when it comes to economics. People become just more capital or natural resources. They have no special claim on anything – certainly not to stop the process in order to survive. I have no doubt the Irish author was an Anglo-Irishman and not from the group of people who had starved by the million.

          • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:25 pm #

            The Irish – bankers plunder their economy and
            social scientists[cough] flood their country with Africans and Asians.
            It isn’t a bug that Sinn Fein are more in favour of race-replacement of the Irish by Asians and Africans and other Europeans except the Brits, than the Brits ever were. It’s a design feature.
            WE always knew they would betray us.

        • ozone June 12, 2017 at 11:42 pm #

          sauer: Ahhhh, much like sorcerers or rune-casters, I’d imagine. Thrilling and ectoplasmically chilling? kewl! 😉

      • Newton Finn June 12, 2017 at 3:52 pm #

        Thanks for the response, sauerkraut, and also to all the others who were kind enough to address my maybe-not-so-stupid question. Some of these answers reminded me of an unusual essay I read back in the 70s as a young man, and which continues to haunt me in my neoliberally austere retirement. Although most contributors to this blog are probably familiar with what once was a quirky, trendy piece, here it is:

        centerforneweconomics.org/buddhist-economics

      • Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 11:36 am #

        I agree that they are (largely) apologists. At the moment they nearly all seem to serve political correctness, or at least those you actually hear. Those economists who, say, promote open borders are obviously ideologically motivated and this colours their arguments and choice of data.

      • michael June 13, 2017 at 4:17 pm #

        Count me in in support of your opinion.

    • volodya June 12, 2017 at 1:13 pm #

      Newton, it’s not a flaw in your education that you don’t know anything about economics. In fact, it’s probably to your benefit. Practitioners of this field revealed themselves to be charlatans and there’s nothing there that resembles objective and dispassionate science. They’re all in the service of some moneyed interest or other.

      As far as creating money out of thin air, that’s the job of the Fed. The Fed works for people with money. People with money, particularly people with inordinate amounts of it, never have enough. And, not surprisingly, the Fed will bend laws and rules to get more money to people with too much simply because they want more.

      The people that need it, on the other hand, won’t get it. As you put it, the excuse is that whatever the priorities of the un-moneyed, it’s unaffordable.

    • routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

      In a way you are correct. It is all faith based. The problem comes in if you have to trade with outsiders that do not trust your money –trade stops. The only reason people take our money is military might. 700+ bases overseas and a ton of nukes. Germany will not be the last country to bring The Gold Home. Best part of that is it will never be reported again. Think China will sell us Gold for dollars? No way. China sells us slave labor…. on credit. Cheap crap at Walt Mart to keep the masses in rags and food. Want to see what your dollar is worth? Go to London or Singapore. Dubai is nice in the summer.

    • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 3:18 pm #

      Newton Finn, your question has an answer: Modern monetary theory.

      The gold standard is a species of magical thinking. Historically it really has been the standard conveyor of value, and probably will be again in the future, but that doesn’t make the belief in it any less irrational — hence magical. Money, including gold, is only a reference to value, not actual value; in other words, money is virtual value. And as JHK is fond of saying, when it comes down to it, the virtual is not a substitute for the real.

      The gold standard is founded on the irrational conviction that a substance of no intrinsic value to human beings is valuable anyway. Intrinsic value is something that satisfies an immediate need (food, clothing, shelter) or a desire (a fast automobile, a vacation to Europe, or an Xbox). The reason why gold is valuable despite having no value, is because human beings tend to treat it as if it were valuable — going so far as to accept it in place of something intrinsically valuable, in the expectation that they can redeem it sometime or someplace else.

      There are various levels of ‘virtuality’. What makes gold the least virtual kind of money is that it has physical properties that can’t be faked. (You can coat lead or tungsten in a thin veneer, but the jig is up once someone melts it down.) This makes gold useful for authenticating the value being exchanged, stored, hypothecated, whatever. It also makes it immune to inflation, which is great for people who already have it and useless for everyone else. The gold standard therefore serves the wealthy, or the moderately wealthy, at the expense of the wider society. But just because value is tied to gold, that doesn’t make it any less virtual than if the transaction were on paper. Using the gold standard is a choice, one no less political than any central bank.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 12, 2017 at 3:20 pm #

        Dang it. I *really* wish we could edit our posts so I could fix the above…

      • JimInFlorida June 13, 2017 at 10:53 am #

        Gold’s value comes primarily from the LABOR needed to mine it, refine into usable metal, and fabricate into useful objects.

        Modern usury-based fiat money STEALS from labor. It is put into use by legal fiat that lays claims to physical assets or time labor value. It also includes paper assets kited upon other assets representing the physical. Performing imperial services (i.e. WAR) also creates assets by conquest.

        Money demand is also created by instigating social friction, transfer payments, insurance payouts, legal takings, and any number of fictitious instruments.

        Above all, it is backed by the barrel of a gun and all the lies that can be stuffed into the breech.

        • Elrond Hubbard June 13, 2017 at 3:48 pm #

          I’m not really impressed by arguments that build to the crescendo: “And it’s all backed by the barrel of a gun!” as if that discredited it (whatever ‘it’ is — in this case, fiat money). Violence is part of the human condition. Condemning it won’t make it go away; you need a practical solution to deal with it. And as Hobbes pointed out, that’s what the state is: the entity that holds a monopoly over the use of violence and restrains everyone else. What would actually happen if the state lost its monopoly over violence? Likely one of the following: either someone else gets the monopoly (and then they are the state), or else there is no monopoly and the entity most willing to use violence sets the table for everyone else (think Mexican drug cartels).

          Ultimately, force in some sense will play a part in human affairs as long as there’s even one person who doesn’t feel like cooperating with others. There are only degrees of better and worse. Democracy construes the state as deriving its authority from the consent of the governed, which at least has the arrow of responsibility pointing in the right direction. If someone thinks they have a way to make society function without a monopoly on violence being held somehow, by someone, then it’s incumbent on them to demonstrate it.

          I meant it when I said the gold standard is just as political as fiat money. Money is a way of regulating exchange, which is another way of saying it’s a way of regulating human behavior — and that’s the definition of political. Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. constitution gives Congress the power to “coin money, and regulate the value thereof”, which sounds to me as if fiat money is just as valid, as money, as anything else. Adhering to the gold standard serves certain constituencies and certain purposes. Separating the value of money from gold or other commodities serves other constituencies and other purposes. This is all political.

          Maybe a free and frank debate would conclude that returning to gold is the best way to serve the common good. Maybe it’s far too late, and the economic destruction will be so vast and unrecoverable that the only activity to survive will be based on gold. But declaring a priori that only the gold standard is valid simply hides all the politics behind a veil of ideology — and ideology, again, serves constituencies, not the common good. I’ve only ever heard the gold standard being plumped by people who have some kind of wealth (i.e. non-real property) they want to preserve. Considering that the top 20% of the U.S. owns 89% of the wealth while the bottom 80% own just 11%, that’s a pretty select constituency who even think they have wealth (much of which will evaporate in a financial crash). It doesn’t sound like the common good at all.

          • JimInFlorida June 14, 2017 at 7:53 am #

            While I do agree with your high-brow erudition of the problem, it won’t drive people to seek a solution.

            Sometimes, demagoguery is necessary to force the issue to the surface. My comment rattles cages by identifying the problem and in a way that agitates to action.

            That’s where YOU step in and offer your solution.

    • cbeard June 12, 2017 at 9:26 pm #

      I’ll profess my ignorance of economics also. Though I manage my finances well enough. I’ve always considered money an imaginary concept used to control everything by the PTB.

    • michael June 13, 2017 at 4:24 pm #

      Money is nothing, it can be and is in actual fact created out of thin air at will. Resources, skill, vision and will are the determinants of progress.
      The financial system is a racket to control the distribution of wealth
      created elsewhere.

      With current resources and technological skill we an accomplish much much more than is actually done. It is only the will that is lacking.

  31. volodya June 12, 2017 at 1:01 pm #

    As far as regard for the unfortunate in this place full to bursting with people destroyed by the ruling classes, people that look down on the so-called Deplorables are like Hillary; they wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.

    • routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 1:18 pm #

      President Trump grew up rich. You only call them Deplorable at The Club. Once the drinks are placed on the table and staff is out of sight. You think he cares about you? Think again.

      • volodya June 12, 2017 at 1:31 pm #

        I have no illusions about Trump. Yet Trump and Bernie were the only ones to speak up for American workers. At least they spoke up. Did Hillary? Or any of the spouters of Republican orthodoxy?

      • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 6:42 pm #

        You, and everyone else, calls them deplorable as they tailgate you in their lifted pickups, as their obese pajama wearing asses impede the grocery aisles as they do the “Walmart Shuffle” (rest guts on cart as they lean impossibly far forward) at the local Shop-N-Save, as they loudly berate their misbehaving snot-faced towheaded camo clad kids in public, as they shout “Play Freebird!” at a free outdoor symphony.

        Do most people care about them? Genuinely?
        Tell me, why should the elite?

        • ozone June 12, 2017 at 11:58 pm #

          100th,
          Well… Hell….
          There’s a couple good questions right there.
          The fact that no one deigns to answer should tell you what you might actually *need* to know. (Let’s call this and exercise in bathroom thinking-above-and-beyond……….) Ugh and Ouch

        • Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 11:46 am #

          One of the Deplorables was the only man who didn’t run from the three Arab terrorists at London Bridge.

          youtube.com/watch?v=cZ36xKlIoHE

          Roy Larner confronted them to stop them entering the pub/ restaurant he was drinking in.

          “F*** you,” he said. “I’m Millwall!” He got them out onto the street where they were shot. He got stabbed a few times for his trouble.

          Millwall are my club and they *are* often Deplorable. But they don’t run, God bless them!

          • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm #

            He was also three sheets to the wind and I guarantee you he wasn’t drinking “American” (not American anymore BTW) domestics.

        • michael June 13, 2017 at 4:30 pm #

          Our “leaders” are to blame for their condition just as a coach stands to answer for the shape of the team.

          • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm #

            And as you imply, are they really leaders?
            They’re elected administrators.
            Politics doesn’t cultivate leadership.
            People are to blame for electing attorneys and expecting leaders.

  32. routersurfer June 12, 2017 at 1:13 pm #

    The Bank Barons will roll on until it all stops. I can see this going on for years. Think about it. The whole mess is faith based. Hard to beat faith out of people with facts. President Trump is more confused and clueless than President Nixon was roaming the halls of the White House drinking gin and talking to the paintings. Thank you Hunter, we miss you. President Trump is below contempt. He can not manage his staff ,stay on message or even know when to shut up. Secretary Clinton would be more crafty as she stole us blind. Which is funny because so many will be placed up against The Wall. What’s for dinner? The Rich. Hope I live to see it.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

      President Trump is much, much smarter than people take him for.

      • charlie foxtrot June 12, 2017 at 1:46 pm #

        Smart enough to have the syntax and acumen of a third grader…having ‘money’ does not mean he was smart enough to get it…if he really did…seriously, break down what he says and how he says it: makes no fing confeve!

        • Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm #

          I stand by my statement.

          • Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 11:51 am #

            The weird thing about it is that people *know* he is this or that but when you ask them for specific reasons or evidence they can never give you anything, except for haircuts and such.

            I followed a link (from Ellrond) to a Pink Floyd YouTube site a few months ago where I got into an online argument with another poster who made all kinds of claims about the man. I pushed him and pushed him but he couldn’t back any of it up. Lots of windy rhetoric, but as for the evidence, I’m still waiting.

  33. volodya June 12, 2017 at 1:27 pm #

    So again we have a condemnation of the Deplorables as racists etc etc. It’s the same old shit, first they ruin people, then they insult the people they ruin.

    What I’ve found is that the decryers are generally the most practiced practitioners themselves of what they decry, guilty of the accusations they level. Such is the state of class division and its offspring, class bigotry.

    How many times have we seen this skein of accusation of people in fly-over country? But I’ve got some of my own bile. Now, I’m probably over-generalizing (not that I give a fuck), this being the natural outcome of class conflict, but I’ve found that a lot of the accusers tend to come from prosperous circumstances, people that spare not the slightest thought for their own carbon footprint, nor their own output of garbage, nor their own polluting activity.

    Again, I’m likely overgeneralizing, my bad, but such finger-pointers generally sound as if they never had a speck of dirt under their nails nor ever had a blister or callus. They sneer at inarticulate bozos and ignoramuses that have to shower after work and who avoid use of big words, yet themselves are so useless in the real world that they couldn’t stick a finger up their own ass, not if their life depended on it.

    Something for nothing? This belies an unfamiliarity with the world of real work where materials get moved and useful objects get shaped for use by others, as opposed to the so-called working world where people fuck about on laptops and flex their ego-muscles in meeting rooms. Notwithstanding the ridicule leveled by people having no apparent understanding of such matters as making things, (people that typically think of themselves as highly educated and enlightened), such activities require practical knowledge, skill, organization and cooperation. People that have done such stuff know there’s no such thing as something for nothing. Again, this is the modus operandi, first you ruin people and then you insult the the people you ruined.

    As far as externalities go, after the thunder and the lightning and the denunciations, the people doing the denouncing skew towards the demographic that owns SUVs, that has nice meals of fine imported foods and fine wines in large, air conditioned dwellings, in prosperous neighborhoods. Just sayin.

  34. Beryl of Oyl June 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm #

    sharonsj, I do not have the reply button on my screen. NO, the statement I made was not “stupid”. Trump almost immediately issues an Executive Order, so that the man struggling to keep a roof over his father’s head is not going to have his badly needed tax refund stolen by the government.
    So perhaps you are stupid not to understand that.
    Trump is NOT the government. He is the Executive Branch.
    I’m well aware, as are most Trump supporters, that the Republican Party was also just fine with Obamacare, which was a giveaway to the insurance industry. Donald Trump has previously stated he didn’t think single-payer was such a bad idea. You DO understand that Congress plays a role in this? He beat not only the Democrats, he also beat the Republicans, so if you don’t like them, well neither do we.

  35. wm5135 June 12, 2017 at 2:34 pm #

    Newton Finn
    The rational economic actor is one of the basic premises of modern economics. This actor will consistently and logically seek to maximize his use of resources. This point of view of course completely ignores advertising which is designed to make the actor pursue an irrational course. The inflation argument is another part of the rational actor meme.
    Your thoughts are rational and a true economic actor such as a society could surely manage their affairs in such a manner. I am of the opinion fictional creations such as the rational actor are just another curtain to hide the force pulling the levers of power.

    • michael June 12, 2017 at 8:28 pm #

      The rational actor lends itself to mathematical abstraction.
      There are no formulas for the irrational.

  36. Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 2:53 pm #

    As Ishmael said, my means are sane. But my goals are mad. Thus even to the extent Economics is really rational and scientific, one must ask what are the goals? This is not a scientific question at all, but a philosophical one, a moral one. And the answer is that this “science” is used to make the few rich. To answer Newton’s question, We are rich enough to provide a good living for Americans – but only if we control the borders. Obviously if we “become the world”, with 500 million people, then we don’t. We’re already well down that road since closing the borders is the epitome of immorality to the so called Liberals and supposedly educated.

    If we had stayed at around 200 million, 90% White, we could be living in luxury and exploring the Solar System even now.

  37. mrmiller June 12, 2017 at 2:56 pm #

    Well, the Big Implosion won’t be pretty, but I’m going to thoroughly enjoy riding my bicycle on the freeway afterwards. The collapse would have to be pretty severe though for that to be possible, but I pray to Jebus every night that it is. There’s just something about that fantasy that seems so soothing to me. Finally, tranquility and peace instead of modern industrial insanity. Better yet, install batteries in the middle of the freeways and let them charge on solar power, and ride electric bicycles to the next city over. It seems like a deliberate and more meaningful existence.

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:27 pm #

      A YOUTH MIGHT STEAL YOUR BIKE. AND OR KILL YOU FOR FUN.

      Remember the Obama worker killed in the 9th ward?
      The killer left the bike.

      • mrmiller June 12, 2017 at 3:47 pm #

        Whatevs, we all die. Quit being so scared of everything.

    • ozone June 13, 2017 at 12:33 am #

      Yes,i pray to your favo-rite Jeebus, but keep your hand upon yer shootin’ ir’n, becawz you niver no whoo mite be takin’ ‘seption t’ yer squakkie viewz!……………………….

  38. malthuss June 12, 2017 at 3:27 pm #

    SHRIEKS OF PAIN AS TRUMP TRIMS HOLOCAUST MUSEUM BUDGET BY 5%
    Because everyone on this planet except rabid anti-Semites who need to burn in ovens believes that we can never, ever hear enough about the Holocaust, a “bipartisan group of 64 members of Congress” is rending their shirts and gnashing their teeth and beseeching Yahweh, Lord God of Israel to persuade Donald Trump to reverse his decision of decreasing next year’s budget for the US Holocaust Memorial Museum by an astounding $3 million.
    Yes, you heard that right. Three million. So instead of the $57 million that the museum got this year, they will only get $54 million next year. That’s a decrease of a robust FIVE percent.
    No one is quite sure why there is a Holocaust museum in the United States, since to our knowledge no one has ever alleged that this event occurred in America.
    Neither is anyone quite sure why American taxpayers need to be bled of over $50 million yearly just to be beaten over the head with guilt about it.
    If you’re going to have a museum, how about a few more dedicated to the 400,000+ American soldiers who died in World War II?
    And a couple more movies? And maybe a museum or five dedicated to the 60 million people who died in World War II overall?
    Or about twenty movies and four hundred museums dedicated to the 100+ million victims of communism? Or maybe even one museum dedicated to the over 600,000 white soldiers who died in the Civil War, and make sure the museum is fireproof?

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    • JimInFlorida June 13, 2017 at 10:45 am #

      Trump can restore the funding IF they include displays about the USS Liberty! And that display can only be produced by the victims and associates of that massacre. No whitewashing or history revisionism!

      Sucks having to swallow the same medicine so generously prescribed to the Goy, eh?

  39. dnscott June 12, 2017 at 4:28 pm #

    Financialization didn’t cause the hollowing out of the American economy. The American middle class was decimated when manufacturing jobs were shifted to low wage countries such as Mexico and China. Bill Clinton –egged on by greedy corporate interests– was primarily responsible for opening our economy to cheap labor.

    Financialization is a product of low interest rates that are part of the attempted rescue of the teetering economy in 2001 and 2009. It was irresponsible central banking, primarily under Greenspan, and loosening of financial regulation, by Clinton at the behest of Wall Street, that led to the the housing bubble and that set the stage for the collapse of 2009.

    In defense of Clinton, he was only acting as a Republican. The policies he promulgated were consistent with Republican ideology. Any Republican candidate would likely have been just as bad.

    Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate because of her ties to her husband. It was natural for the heartland of America to be leery of her and natural for them to vote for the only person who had the courage to talk about the real source of the decline: loss of manufacturing. Trump put his finger on the the pulse of the heartland, but he doesn’t understand how or even want to help. Rather than opposing the corporate interests that hollowed out America seeking their own profit, he is serving them.

    In the ashes of Trump will a younger generation be able to rebuild democracy? Perhaps. But we will be entering a a period of financial, climactic, and ecological instability in which rational democratic institutions will find it hard to operate. I am not optimistic about the coming decades.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 5:57 pm #

      But why is he so hated on all sides then?

  40. sophia June 12, 2017 at 5:43 pm #

    Sauerkraut,

    “Any high school chemistry text will do.”

    Surpassingly silly response. You are dismissed.

  41. janet June 12, 2017 at 6:33 pm #

    Dumbedup: “we are still talking about the “investigation” 5 months into the Trump Presidency, and it started long before.”

    The investigation might have been completed by now, except those in the Trump campaign linked to Russia and those who tried to investigate Trump’s collusion with Russia were fired by Trump.

    BTW, this type of coverup strategy never works. It just resets the investigation with a new investigator. Mueller’s direction of the investigation is LESS THAN ONE MONTH OLD. Mueller is bringing on board experienced investigators.

    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein named Mueller special counsel on May 17, and authorized him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.”

    The investigation is just beginning now because Trump kept firing people.

    PAUL MANAFORT: Paul Manafort, then the Trump campaign chairman, at the Republican had indirect ties to Russian officials. Trump fires Manafort.

    MICHAEL FLYNN: Flynn was national security adviser after a tumultuous 25 days in office. Trump fires Flynn.

    SALLY YEATS: Acting attorney general Sally Yates obtained evidence that then national security adviser Michael Flynn was compromised and at risk of being manipulated by a foreign government. According to Yates, she immediately warned the White House, but, there was a lag in requesting Flynn’s resignation. Trump fires Yeats.

    PREET BHARARA: Next came the mass firing of U.S. attorneys, including Preet Bharara. Bharara served New York’s Southern District, which houses Trump’s business enterprise. He was also reportedly investigating Fox News and Tom Price, who later became the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Bharara said he had been asked by the then president-elect to stay on, so, like many, was quite surprised when, on March 11, Trump fires Bharara.

    JAMES COMEY: Due to Comey’s investigation into Russia, the 2016 election, and possible collusion with Trump campaign. Trump fires Comey.

    ROBERT MUELLER: Trump attorney Jay Sekulow made an appearance this Sunday [June 11, 2017] on ABC’s This Week, and refused to rule out the possibility that Trump could fire special counsel Robert Mueller who has been tasked with looking into Russiagate and whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to interfere in the presidential election.

    “The fact that you have authority to remove someone from office doesn’t automatically immunize that act from criminal responsibility.” –Preet Bharara

    For all Trump’s attempts to thwart the investigation by firing the investigators, Trump has ultimately failed. Mueller has the full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney. I suspect Trump will soon be fired by Congress. Congress has the power to remove Trump from office.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 7:10 pm #

      Why isn’t there the same energy going into investigating what the DNC and Clinton did to influence the election away from Sanders?

      • janet June 12, 2017 at 8:35 pm #

        If I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders sued the DNC and won. Hillary was slapped down by Bernie.

        The reason there isn’t the same energy is because Trump has chosen to flip the bird, not reveal his tax returns, refused to sell his assets or create a blind trust, put his family into positions of power, and proceeded to violate the Constitution in a number of ways that I won’t bother to list.

        There is really no comparison. Hillary did not collude with a foreign government to interfere in the election process. What she did was domestic and was wrong, but did not involve sedition or treason.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 9:21 pm #

          The allegations against Hillary are more numerous and serious and do include treason.

      • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:12 am #

        Because she was not elected President. We have a history of electing Presidents and then investigating them for 8 years. (or however long they remain in office) We don’t do much to those that lose the election.

    • BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 8:21 pm #

      Don’t worry Janet, 4 or 8 years from now a Democrat will be back in the White House and you, the media, academia and late night comics can start sucking presidential ass again, and the world will be back to normal.

      brh

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:10 am #

      If Trump fires Mueller all hell will break loose and Republicans will not be able to protect him. His authoritarian bent looks more and more like Captain Quigg’s delusions. he will be removed because impeachment takes too long, is too bloody and will damage the Republican Party. If that scenario plays out it will be a dangerous time.

      But that issue aside, the two-party duopoly is coming to an end. They have both been revealed as morally bankrupt. The Democrats have been revealed as the party to lead us down the path globalism for profit brush, and the Republicans have been revealed to be puppets of big finance. Either way, it is government for profit and not for people

      The hope that I had from Trump’s election was that he was neither beholden to globalists or to Wall Street. He criticized the constant wars being fought by the US around the world, but he has done more to escalate those conflicts in 5 months than Obama did in 8 years – especially Syria. He talked about reinstating Glass-Steagall and many times has said he favored some sort of Universal Health Care or MFA in the US yet he has gone in the opposite direction on both issues.

      The reason is simple. He is under fire and his best hope for remaining President is to placate Paul Ryan and the right wing of the party he represents but does not lead. To quote the prophet, “they have him by the short hairs.”

  42. Jeremy June 12, 2017 at 6:52 pm #

    Talk about things to come!

    As you say James – ” Anything to keep the happy motoring paradigm going.”

    Tesla plans many giga factories!

    robertscribbler.com/2017/06/12/old-energy-left-behind-equivalent-of-7-gigafactories-already-under-co…

    We are doomed!

    • beantownbill. June 12, 2017 at 7:48 pm #

      Doomed means there’s a 100% probability America ceases to exist. I don’t know about you, but I don’t know the future. A more accurate statement would be to say that doom is possible, maybe probable (>50%). You seem to be so positive everything will end. Do you have a secret source of knowledge?

      • janet June 12, 2017 at 8:43 pm #

        “Doomed means there’s a 100% probability America ceases to exist.”

        There is a 100% certainty, given enough time. Stars are born, they live, and they die. The sun is no different, and when it goes, the Earth goes with it, and America ceases to exist. I’ll bet money on that, payable in five billion years. 🙂

        • beantownbill. June 12, 2017 at 9:12 pm #

          Your on! (Try to collect)?

  43. FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 7:12 pm #

    But you did not explain what this different mindset is == Sophia

    It is an extremely difficult question. We should probably start with one of the most famous Russian painter – Surikov. The paradox is – the Westerners do not stay long with Surikov paintings. They just do not see him.

    Surikov: Morning of the Streltsy execution

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

    To illustrate the difference in the behavior of representatives of various ethical systems, I’ll cite the data that Lefebvre received in 1982, working with Americans and immigrants from the USSR:

    The doctor should hide from the patient that he has cancer to alleviate his suffering

    Americans – 8% Russians – 89%

    A hooligan can be punished more severely than is required by law if this serves as a warning for others

    Americans – 11.5% Russians – 84.5%

    You can give false testimony to help the innocent avoid prison

    Americans – 19.9% Russians – 65%

    You can send a cheat sheet to help a friend on the competitive exam

    Americans – 9% Russians – 62%

    • michael June 12, 2017 at 8:22 pm #

      here I agree with Americans all the time.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 9:32 pm #

      Finc,

      Well, that is quite a painting. On the questions, I only agree with the Russians on one. If I knew someone was innocent but would go to prison, yes, I’d give false testimony. We used to not tell people how ill they were to protect them, but it fell out of favor. I absolutely would not want that done for me. For one thing, when it comes to cancer, I would be doing alternative modalities. For another, I would like to time to prepare for death.

  44. beantownbill. June 12, 2017 at 7:41 pm #

    I’m amused by the stupidity of those who wish for a re-set. A real re-set will be unimaginably horrible. Millions will die of starvation or its side effects. Violence and cruelty will become extreme. Malnutrition and exposure to the elements will breed rampant disease.

    You will watch your sons and daughters waste away because you haven’t got enough food. Your women will have a very high exposure to rape. You think you’ll be ok because you’re prepared? First, the government will come and take away your “hoarded” food, then roaming gangs will steal whatever’s left.

    What’s that you say? You have plenty of guns and ammo, and your neighbors have banded together? A simple barrage of flaming arrows from several hundred yards away will set your homes on fire; or a huge contingent of ex-military marauders with RPGs, artillery and .50 cal automatic weapons will exterminate you and your 200 neighbors. If you’re lucky and survive the onslaught, you will have to find uncontaminated water sources; otherwise you or your family will die of cholera or some other disease. Portable water filters don’t last forever. Or you will die from exposure to the elements.

    So, people, is this the future you wish for yourself and/or those close to you. All for the sake of a “reset”?

    • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:02 pm #

      No, that won’t happen. In fact the opposite will happen. People will look for solace from the government, and the government will expand, not contract. A reset will beckon authoritarianism and the security it can and will provide.

      • beantownbill. June 12, 2017 at 9:28 pm #

        Let’s see. Tell that to the Romans after the sacking; Stalingrad during the siege; Berlin in 1945-1946; Baghdad in 1401. I could go on and on.

        • 100th Avatar June 12, 2017 at 9:53 pm #

          When was this sacking of Rome? A precise date? By what tribe?You’re also confusingly including a few other places that were mired in broad and raging armed conflicts. Apples to oranges.
          Rome was a steady decline, as was France and Spain and Great Britain.
          Your version is either WWIII or pure Hollywood. What is the trigger event? The economy? All oil pumps around the world conveniently run dry at the same time?

          • Janos Skorenzy June 12, 2017 at 10:00 pm #

            It’s like a descending a flight of stairs the flat part symbolizes the steady decline. The vertical part is the invasions and plagues – the catastrophic decline or fall. Each recovery is at a successively lower level symbolized by the flat part of the stair.

            The Celts sacked Rome early in its history. Late in the Empire it was the Visigoths I believe.

          • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 10:49 am #

            Curiously, and in some ways paralleling Europe today, the hard fall began by invasion from the Middle East in the form of a violent and intolerant religious cult by the name of christianity.

          • beantownbill. June 13, 2017 at 11:12 am #

            You need to study history in more detail. Rome was sacked several times, from 387 BC to 1527. The sacking to which I referred had the most effect to world history, in 410 AD, by the Visigoths under Alaric.

            In my haste, I didn’t mention the French Revolution in 1789. That was undoubtably a reset. France had been relatively stable for six or seven hundred years before that. I also failed to mention the Russian Revolution of 1917. That was a reset, too.

            These civilizations were indeed in decline. But that’s the point. So is the US.

            I believe our own Civil War, which was a failed revolution, was a reset for an entire region of the country. Many people died and food was scarce.

            If a reset already occurred in our own country, why can’t it happen again?

          • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 11:31 am #

            You need to stop picking and choosing after the fact

          • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 1:40 pm #

            Revolution? The South wanted to withdraw not take over the North. The War of Northern Aggression is the best description.

          • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 3:03 pm #

            I think he’s pulling from the even more abridged version of Zinn’s revisionist history polemic.

    • malthuss June 12, 2017 at 10:29 pm #

      I’m amused by the stupidity of those who wish for a re-set.

      Indeed. A reset = collapse = chaos.

      There is a TV movie, I saw on you tube, about collapse. In it the family escapes to Idaho. But the collapse was due to a pandemic.

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:27 am #

      Exactly. We better hope there is no reset or, if there is, that you live in an area that can provide services (electricity, water, food and some sort of rudimentary transportation system) to maintain some order. Even if you do there will be a dramatic increase in crime and violence. It will a cross between, Mad Maxx, The Road and “The Book of Eli.”

      It has made me wonder where would be the best place to live. The south has a better climate, more fresh water and a longer growing season. But it is also full of rednecks with pickup trucks, confederate flags and guns. New England is too cold. Perhaps the Northwest US or Southwest Canada would be best, but unless you are close to the coast the weather there is not great for survival. I think I would prefer to live on or near the Mississippi River, but there you would have to deal with flooding and bandits roaming up and down the river. If you find a community of like minded people that still would be the best place to try and hunker down.

      • beantownbill. June 13, 2017 at 11:30 am #

        I’ve thought about the best place to live – a lot. I’ve come to the conclusion that there really wouldn’t be a best place, only a place less bad than others. I’m too old to migrate to where I would want to go. I’m going to stay in place, in the Boston suburbs; I’m hoping for the best, but realistically I realize I probably wouldn’t survive. Sie la vie. But who knows, I can be a pretty tough bastard when I want to be.

        • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 3:18 pm #

          I think you’re reading/watching too much in the dystopian genre.
          This whole idea that society is going to turn 180 into an anarchic criminal free for all is ludicrous

          • beantownbill. June 13, 2017 at 6:10 pm #

            Says you. I says I don’t know, but I’ll play it safe.

          • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 9:06 pm #

            I don’t think itis likely, but it is certainly not ludicrous.

    • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 11:15 am #

      Bill,
      Well said. I agree with your scenario 100%.

  45. wm5135 June 12, 2017 at 7:41 pm #

    If I wanted to rob a bank I would arrange for a shooting on the opposite side of town and a fire at some distance from the shooting.
    If I wanted to have access to the databases of information available within the various agencies I would use similar tactics. The difference would be that I would put on an elaborate entertainment. First I would find a Pinocchio. I would then assemble a cast and have them compromise their reputations using their strongest vice as the lure. In preparation for the entertainment and as advertising nothing would work better than to openly discredit anyone who might be a critic or reviewer of the entertainment. Bad press is good advertising. The night before my Pinocchio ascended to the stage I would leak some damning information about a member of the cast. Using this method it would be irrelevant whether there was any merit to the entertainment. With enough salacious press releases a long a profitable run would be in order.
    Four years of innuendo and pointless investigation, gridlocked government and alliances forged with the most corrupt players on the international field would be quite enough.
    *
    An offhand remark about the infrastructure gambit being proposed. Men afoot have little need for a toll highway.

    • michael June 12, 2017 at 8:19 pm #

      Elaborate entertainment is put on all the time and has been for decades
      as a broad spectrum anti-thinking device.
      You can find on the internet a study of MI5 detailling the various approaches to controll the mind of the sheep.
      Capturing attention and deflect it from important issues is only one of about 15 major techniques.

      I trust you can find this document yourself.

      I am all for such entertainement if only it were not so stupid.

  46. michael June 12, 2017 at 8:13 pm #

    It’s nearly impossible to improve on JHKs writing and is even in bad taste to try to do so but since perfection is a rare and precious good
    and this location is one of the few places where it can be found I will
    make the following suggestion:

    Replace “The future is here now” with “This future is here now”.

    Otherwise it is very difficult to time the unravelling which we all believe must surely come. If you can time this right you can become very wealthy due to the very financialization which is here deplored.

    • sophia June 12, 2017 at 9:42 pm #

      How?

      • BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 11:03 pm #

        Invest in Teddy Bears. Whenever a bunch of Europeans or Americans are wiped out by Islamic terrorists, sympathetic people bring Teddy Bears to the site of the massacre. It never fails. Of course there are the requisite hugs, wreaths, candles, tears, oaths of “Stronger Together”, and hymns.

        But its the Teddy Bears we see the most of. You cannot go wrong investing in Teddy Bears; there will be a great need of them to lay down at future mass murders of our citizens, to ‘show respect’ and also to sop up the blood.

        brh

      • michael June 13, 2017 at 4:41 pm #

        Are you asking how to time it (very hard) or how to profit once you know when it happens (easier)?

  47. BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

    I’ll be sticking with Miller. When my wife’s relatives come over from Cannes they inevitably bring a few bottles of Champaigne. That’s when I break out a six of Millers, the champaigne of bottled beer! They like it alright, or maybe are too polite to say they don’t.

    As for the value of money, and printing too much of it, I’ve been reading about the Spanish Civil War and the Americans who got caught up in it. There will be sentences like this: “Hemingway raised $10,000 ($100,000 today) for 3 ambulances to be donated to the Republican cause …”

    what this tells me is that now, in 2017, our money isn’t worth sh-t.

    brh

    • beantownbill. June 13, 2017 at 12:41 pm #

      I admit to not being a connoisseur when it comes to beer. I like to drink beer when I’m thirsty or hot – mostly in the summer. When I drink beer, it’s Miller’s lite.

  48. michael June 12, 2017 at 8:33 pm #

    The much expected implosion will be a whole lot less dramatic than most here think.
    Certainly not close to the state of the country of Germany after or
    Russia in the second world war.
    Living standards will shrink which will only agrieve those who are
    firmly anchored to material things. It might be a relief to many.

    The reset will sweep away falsehood and evil.
    How can this be bad?

    Only an all out nuclear exchange is capable of producing what many here fear.

    • BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 8:58 pm #

      I tend to agree with you, Michael.

      we’ve been in decline since the early 70s, so far speaking for myself it hasn’t been that bad. Actually, I’ve been having a pretty good time. My two rules, one golden, one silver: Avoid crowds, Stay out of cities. That’s kept me above ground all these years.

      brh

      • janet June 12, 2017 at 9:14 pm #

        “Actually, I’ve been having a pretty good time.” –brh

        Me, too, brh.

        I say American is already great, has always been great.

        The long emergency has been fun and I have lived it in the northeast, the northwest, the midwest, and the southwest. The rest I have visited. Everywhere I go I find good people: poor but happy.

        The rule that kept me out of trouble: live simply and avoid debt; and if any debt is incurred, pay it off as soon as possible.

      • malthuss June 13, 2017 at 1:49 am #

        I disagree.
        USA population has doubled.
        AA and hate crime laws.

        You grouse so about Gays. Check Breitbart, this week.

        GMOs, inflation, open borders, legal infanticide.
        The Clintons, Rap ‘music’, negro worship.
        20 Trillion in admitted government debt.

        I could go on.

    • onehunglo June 12, 2017 at 9:55 pm #

      ah, michael, you very wise indeed!

      globalist having too much fun; have no intention making planet uninhabitable through nuclear destruction.

      current plan, 30 year in making, is slow kill through eugenic program.

      in Red China, most effective means remain infanticide (abortion), but adjuvant additive to vaccine also proving effective.

      onehunglo repent every minute every day for participation in adjuvant design.

      let not you heart be troubled.

      may God be with you.

      onehunglo

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:40 am #

      That’s a great hope, but totally dependent on the circumstances. A catastrophic failure of the economy will put millions out of work in a few weeks. Once that happens goods will not be delivered. When fuel and food and water goes in short supply crime will go up. When cities cannot pay police officers there will be no law enforcement. That will open the floodgates for crime on a scale no one has ever seen. It will not matter if you have guns, food and water. Your supplies cannot hold out for more than a few weeks, and maybe just a few days.

      For a long time I have felt that there will be no epic collapse. Rather, we will experience a continuous decline in living standards that could go on for another generation before it gets better. But an epic collapse is possible. We have avoided it several times in the past, but never when we lived with such a sense of entitlement.

  49. BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 10:27 pm #

    Hey Vlad, yes, the Visigoths busted into Rome and sacked it whilst Roman citizens were at the coliseum watching the games.

    the thing is tho I was reading if you lived in Italy outside the Capital (Rome) life went on pretty much as it always had.

    Its like San Francisco now — open toilet for 50,000 homeless and 250,000 illegals, but if you live on an opulent winery in Napa Valley like Nancy Pelosi, who cares?

    brh

    • onehunglo June 12, 2017 at 11:13 pm #

      ah, malthuss, now you know why Red China censor internet and its people……while that video disgusting, it like walk in park compared to mobile execution vans and organ harvesting!!

      so whatever shall we do??
      1. obey God’s commandments, including 11th one.
      2. take someone along.
      3. enjoy the ride.
      4. ask God for help.
      5. ask not for whom the bell tolls.

      let not you heart be troubled.

      may God be with you.

      -onehunglo

      • malthuss June 13, 2017 at 1:46 am #

        while that video disgusting, it like walk in park compared to mobile execution vans and organ harvesting!!

        I disagree but I wonder where ‘Bodyworld’ exhibit got those young healthy people to kill. Hmmm?

  50. Pucker June 12, 2017 at 11:24 pm #

    Which affords higher social Status and prestige amongst The Elite: a Ford Ranger, or a Dodge Ram?

    • pequiste June 13, 2017 at 12:42 am #

      Easy – the dually.

      • JimInFlorida June 13, 2017 at 10:34 am #

        Rig the diesel engine so it pours out vast clouds of black smoke when you want it. Now THAT gets the wimmen all WET!

  51. Pucker June 12, 2017 at 11:54 pm #

    “Modern Serf” magazine

    • pequiste June 13, 2017 at 12:44 am #

      Serfs Up!

      Hang Ten! (or however many there is rope for )

  52. janet June 13, 2017 at 1:11 am #

    ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT

    Trump’s use of threats to obstruct the ongoing criminal investigations of Michael Flynn clearly violate 18 U.S.C. 1512(b)(3); Violations of that section are a felony. Trump’s efforts to obstruct the investigation of his campaign’s possible collusion with Russia violated the same statute.

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:42 am #

      None of that is clear – yet.

      Trump is hiding under the skirt of the Republican Party. If he fires Mueller they will switch to pants.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 1:45 pm #

        Loretta Lynch and Comey are the Obstructors and Leakers. They should be prosecuted, but Democrats think that their own kind are above the Law. Face it, you just want to repeat your tribal victory no matter what the Truth is. You want another Wategate. Shame on you.

  53. KL Cooke June 13, 2017 at 1:12 am #

    “…the moiling, Budweiser-gulping, oxycontin-addled deplorables in the flat, boring, parking lot wastelands of our ruined drive-in Utopia saw their lives rendered into a brown-and-yellow slurry draining clockwise down the toilet of history.”

    Keep ’em coming. Jim.

  54. janet June 13, 2017 at 2:41 am #

    More proof Islam is a religion of peace.

    20 Million Muslims March Against ISIS and The Mainstream Media Completely Ignores It

    “Unfortunately [some] media outlets have gone for stories that to some extent can be divisive. If a group of Muslims does something good, it’s not mentioned or the religion is not mentioned. But if someone does something [negative], it is on the front page and their religion is mentioned,” Mohammed Al-Sharifi, a volunteer at last year’s event told the Independent.

    And he is right.

    Many of the stories on Muslims in the U.S. that make it on to the mainstream are those that stoke divide. When a Muslim hero saves hundreds of lives by jumping on a bomb — which actually happened in July — the mainstream and the Islamophobic alternative media is mum.

    Those who would judge 1.6 billion people by the actions of just a few are creating a narrative in which innocent lives are put in danger [looking right at you, pequiste].

    • JimInFlorida June 13, 2017 at 10:28 am #

      The numbers are way against you.

      The flip side of your argument is the true story. You cannot whitewash an entire cult because one jumped on the bomb. We’re talking about ONE Muslim to the tens of thousands of unwanted invaders in the E.U, U.K, and Sweden.

      The odds are nearly 100% that the Muslim who jumped on the bomb was trying to protect OTHER MUSLIMS nearby! Altruistic heroism is alien to Muslims.

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 10:55 am #

      I think that’s the wrong approach. Historically, Islam is not a religion of peace. What is correct is to say that Islam is no different than any other conquering civilization in recorded history, and they may have been more enlightened than others. The mistake we all make is to believe that Islam is a cruel and barbarous culture and Muslim is a violent religion and advocates violence as a primary precept. We self-righteously compare Islam to Christianity and say, “aha, see, we have Jesus and we are about love and peace.”

      That is the historical inaccuracy. Christianity has not been, in practice, a religion of peace.

      My short list of examples:

      The Crusades
      The Spanish Inquisition
      Christopher Columbus
      Slavery
      American Indians
      The Civil War
      Northern Ireland
      The Invasion of Afghanistan
      The Invasion of Iraq (God told George Bush to invade Iraq)
      The bombing of civilians in Syria

      There is also what happened in Australia. (90% of the indigenous Aborigines were murdered by Europeans in the name of God)

      Yep, they are the barbarians and we are the good guys.

      • Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 11:26 am #

        Where does the Christian bit fit into the bombing of Syrian civilians? I thought it was post-Christian secular utopians. The Northern Ireland conflict is not *over* religion, simply religious affiliation separated the colonizers from the colonized as this was not possible by skin colour as elsewhere in the world. How bad was the Spanish Inquisition, for example? Nothing like as bad as it is reported. I think you’d stand a better chance of justice than you would in most Protestant northern European lands (the persecution of witches in Spain was tiny compared with them).

        Afghanistan, slavery, Columbus. You put this down to Christianity? Wouldn’t it be just as fair to blame water, magnetism or, say, ‘patriarchal society’?

        • thwack June 13, 2017 at 11:59 am #

          Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to equivocate the two.

          I could be mistaken, but the method I use to explain the difference between Christianity and Islam to remind people that with Islam your submission to God is complete, total and independent of rational, precedent… in other words, Allah can be irrational and you don’t question it because the difference between you and Allah is one of kind and not degree.

          With Christianity its the opposite.

          Am I right?

          • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 3:00 pm #

            Those are legitimate differences between what Christianity tries to be, and wants to be as opposed to Islam. Christianity is best described as a descent religion and Islam as an ascent religion. But in practice Christianity has a checkered past of violence that is not very Christ-like.

            What I set out to show is that you cannot point to the violent past of Islam and ignore the violent past of Christianity. You cannot say that Islam is a violent religion and ignore the millions of Muslims seeking to live in peace in the modern world.

            And yes, Christopher Columbus justified mistreating indigenous people (slavery, rape, plunder and murder) in the name of religion. They were “heathens” and forced to convert to Christianity. We did the same to the American Indians.

            I don’t think our host likes for links to be posted here, but you can look it up on history.com.

          • thwack June 13, 2017 at 6:16 pm #

            Wasn’t Columbus jailed after his 3rd voyage for abusing the natives?

            And was it Father Casa who snitched on him?

            Just sayin

      • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 1:52 pm #

        One caveat: We didn’t live up to the Teaching of Christ but the Muslims did live down to the Teachings of Mohammad. Human nature is frail, but at least Christianity tries to lift us up more than Islam does.

        One caveat about the caveat: We have very little of Christ’s teachings. So we don’t know exactly what he would say about a lot of things. In contrast, Mohammad’s teachings are voluminous and we have his opinion on almost everything.

        But based on the Gospel, I don’t think Christ would approve of how his teachings were spread or much that was done in his name. In contrast, Mohammad lead the first raid outside Arabia over the border into Byzantium. They try to make it seem like the Jihad is just based on Islam defending itself, but it’s pretty thin. More learned Muslims know that’s not true, but they may let their squeamish brothers believe it if they need to.

        • JimInFlorida June 13, 2017 at 4:58 pm #

          The teachings of Christ reflect Vedic thought. Those parts are very likely among the books left out of the Bible. As for Mohammad, he was the prophet for the children of Ishmael, as described in Genesis. Islam is well suited to their congenital barbarism.

          The Council of Nicea compiled the Bible and with the very limited goal of Christianizing the pagans. Revelation of Deep Knowledge was NOT its goal. Some of the scholars who worked for Emperor Constantine were crypto-Jews and thus, had a vested interest in making the Bible single focused on them.

          It is commonly known that there were MANY SACRED BOOKS available. BUT, the Bible was compiled to make it appear that God’s entire attention was focused on the Jews. Whether for reward or punishment. Good or bad. The assertion that God only spoke to the Jews is something I absolutely reject.

          I firmly believe that Christ knew the Vedas by Divine Insight and many holes in the Bible can be filled in from the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, and other sacred books NOT of the Abrahamic trilogy (Talmud, Quran, Bible).

          I have a genuine copy (not the fake sold on Amazon) of the Kolbrin. The sacred book brought to England by Joseph of Arimathea. It definitely parallels many aspects of Vedic India and fills in many gaping holes in the Bible. With the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, the Kolbrin, and Emmanuel Swedenborg’s visions of Heaven (18th century), the Bible becomes superfluous.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 11:37 pm #

            What about the Destroyer? Do you think its coming? Which Bhagavad Gita do you like?

          • JimInFlorida June 14, 2017 at 8:09 am #

            Janos, IMO, the Destroyer is “Peace at all costs.”

            Peace is only good when harmony exists, everything is in its rightful place, and a legitimate authority exists to preserve it.

            When Peace is distorted to mean no resistance to Evil (including the cult of Diversity), then the Destroyer will come. At least with War, many evils are revealed and the tide of battle can turn against the aggressor.

            The Bhagavad Gita I prefer is the “As It is” version from A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

            I can’t sit down and read like I used to. Therefore, I also have an audio version which I listen to A LOT. The reader is Shree Krishna and includes enough production value to make it much more interesting to hear. He also prefers the above version for his reading.

          • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm #

            What of the Fatima prophecies?

          • JimInFlorida June 15, 2017 at 10:07 am #

            malthuss, a prophecy is a prediction based on current political trajectories and contain a strong moral judgement as things stand. As predictions, they are not very reliable. If God really wanted to reveal Truth, He would not waste time with shepherd children or other innocents. He would utterly terrorize the Rich and Powerful with visions of Hellfire and then show how things must change.

            The Fatima secrets, IMO, are of a limited nature. They are predictions regarding political affairs within the Roman Catholic Church. They do not educate people about the higher realms; nor do they edify the righteous. If anything, the prophecies stimulate way too much unproductive speculation, which ultimately leads to error.

            The value of the Fatima prophecies may be the equivalent of a few small pieces of a vast jigsaw puzzle. They may properly represent a few contiguous pieces in the puzzle. But, when viewed in context of the vast jigsaw puzzle, they are not only irrelevant. They become evil BECAUSE deluded men in power will steer world events in order to fulfill them.

            Regarding the consecration of Russia, Tsar Vladimir is doing the right thing by restoring the native faith of Russia. That being Orthodox Christianity. Not the polluted religion of Vatican II and modernism, which Rome represents.

    • sophia June 13, 2017 at 12:19 pm #

      The pilgrimage was reported (as it is every year) by multiple mainstream news outlets. While it is a religious event and not specifically a political one, some news outlets reported that the annual pilgrimage has taken on a defiant tone as attacks from the Islamic State have plagued the area:

      Large-scale security operations, involving 24,000 soldiers and police, were put in place during this year’s march due to fears Isis forces in and around its last major stronghold of Mosul may seek to strike Baghdad or Karbala during Arbaeen.

      Karbala, around 50 miles, south west of Baghdad, faces the desert of Anbar, a vast province that was until recently an Isis bastion and where jihadists still carry out frequent attacks.

      Last week, a suicide bomber killed six people near Karbala in an attack claimed by the so-called Islamic State.

      The pilgrimage has taken on additional meaning in response to this threat, becomimg a protest in recent years against Isis terrorists.
      Millions of Muslims did embark on a religious pilgrimage for Arbaeen in November 2016, but that phenomenon is an annual event which is duly covered by the news media every year, not an unprecedented gathering involving huge crowds of protesters whom reporters all over the world collectively decided to ignore.

      snopes.com/millions-of-muslims-marched-against-the-islamic-state/

  55. wm5135 June 13, 2017 at 3:03 am #

    Just for clarification:
    When I hear the MSM calling for hearings on the corrupting influence of the Citizens United ruling, see effective legislation to close the revolving door at all levels of civil service, not just congress, hear a clamor that demands the end of corruption between our government and the governments of Saudi Arabia and Israel I will take seriously this Russia did it foolishness.
    How many billions of dollars of fines with no indictments or demands for congressional investigation into the investment banking industry is enough for it to be apparent that the election process is corrupted? How many years of open defiance of international law will be enough to raise voices against our foreign policy?
    Someone corrupted our election process? You damn right they did, and everyone of them was an American citizen. There are sins of commission and sins of omission and we as a people stand convicted.
    Willful ignorance is not ignorance it is collusion. You want proof of collusion? How many people do you know who work in the corporate environment who have ever resigned a position due to corruption in the workplace? Going along to get along and turning a blind eye to the destruction of ourselves has been the only acceptable pathway in our nation my whole life, and as history reveals since the Constitutional Convention.
    Russia influenced OUR election process!!!!!!!!!! Pucker up I have a suggestion for you.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 13, 2017 at 8:01 am #

      Someone corrupted our election process? You damn right they did, and everyone of them was an American citizen

      You’re certainly wrong about that: Germany and Saudi Arabia were the biggest offenders through financial and logistical support of the Clinton campaign, Russia if played a role, very insignificant one.

      • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 11:10 am #

        If a German or a Saudi citizen voted fraudulently in our election then I would agree with you.

        Our elections are amenable to political corruption and interference because it is an open process by design. The French attempted to influence the outcome in 1796 and again in 1800.

        • sophia June 13, 2017 at 12:23 pm #

          Interference by foreigners in our elections is now legal anyway after that supreme court ruling.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 2:33 pm #

          Alex Jones: If I tried to vote in a Mexican election, the men in the polling station would take me out and beat me to a pulp.

          That’s what real Nations look like. That’s how citizens act. As Aristotle said long ago, tolerance by itself is simply decadence. Letting illegals vote? What is wrong with you people? You are sick in the heart and head.

          Ditto Gay Pride Parades. The Russian people don’t tolerate such things. The Police are called – and they arrest those whom the People have detained, often worse for wear. That’s what a real Nation looks like.

          The weeping gays axe Why? They are told: because such allowing such things would demoralize the People. Exactly so. The ordinary man has to feel respected; to feel he has a stake in his Nation. How can you feel that in a Sodom or Gomorrah?

          • Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 10:26 am #

            Janos, your idea of a ‘real nation’ is one that function exactly like a violent street gang, writ large.

            The rule of law was invented to protect the common good against just this kind of thinking.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:08 pm #

            Well yes, I look more like Wilt Chamberlain than I do a Kangaroo. Likewise, a Nation is like a street gang in that it has limits and an internal structure – as opposed to your “idea” (feeling) that a Nation should be a gigantic amoeba encompassing everything. Which is just another way of saying, no nations and open borders.

            The Ancient Greeks talked about Chaos as a lack of form and quality – just endless extent or space. Form – and thus Quality – means limitation, structure, and hierarchy. You’re good with hierarchy as long as you’re on top, but you don’t want any potential limits to the power of your sect.

      • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 5:09 pm #

        Jesus, the Republican fake news just keeps rollin’ along. So tell me, In the mountains, how many people were convicted of voter fraud in the last election, or the prior, or the prior, or the prior. The number is less than ten, Mr. Clown. You silly man, do you really think a person would risk going to prison just to cast a second ballot?

        • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 6:26 pm #

          no, totally out of the realm of possibility, you silly stupid man

        • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:11 pm #

          No, obviously no one is going to go to prison for doing this in the FUSA – since you believe that no human being is illegal and there should be no borders, no countries, and no religion too.

          You people are fucking out of control and need to be dealt with.

  56. FincaInTheMountains June 13, 2017 at 7:48 am #

    On the questions, I only agree with the Russians on one == sophia

    Western and Eastern Ethical Systems

    Vladimir Lefebvre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lefebvre the first famous work of whom was “The Theory of Conflicting Structures” wanted to raise psychology to such a level that it could be dealt with in the same way as theoretical physics, and succeeded in this.

    Lefebvre developed a calculus (algebra), similar to the Boolean algebra of logic, but in which instead of a variable that takes the value of “true” and “false” a variable with the values “good” and “evil” is used.

    These extremes are considered intuitively comprehensible. When Lefebvre tried to understand how the operations of addition and multiplication should be treated in this algebra, he guessed that this can be done in two (and only two!) ways, relating one operation to “compromise”, and the other to “confrontation,” and vice versa.

    The result is two schemes describing a person’s moral choice. What is most striking, using this calculus, it was possible to numerically (!) predict the results of experiments in which people have to make decisions without having any information, and based only on self-assessment.

    The results of experiments with emigrants showed that those who came to the United States from Western countries are described in the first way of choosing the meaning of operations – these people Lefevre called belonging to the first ethical system, and emigrants from the USSR and some eastern countries – to the second.

    How do these systems differ in essence?

    In the first (western) ethical system, the compromise between good and evil is considered evil, and confrontation is good. In the second (eastern) compromise between good and evil, it is good, and confrontation is evil.

    Paradoxically, however, representatives of the Western ethical system seek to reach a compromise with their rival to enhance their ethical status, while the representatives of the Eastern go with him into a principled conflict.

    The difference in ethics in the two systems can be understood as well in this way: the 1st (western) system is built on a formal prohibition of evil (for instance, the biblical commandments), while the second (Soviet) on the informal declaration of good (the example of Lefebvre is the “Moral Code of the Builder of Communism”).

    You can say that in the first ethical system, the goal does not justify the means, and in the second, it justifies. In the 1st system there are rules, in the 2nd – the purpose and meaning.

    Americans prefer to rely on formal rules, and former Soviet people think specifically, taking the context into account. Note that the division of people into ethical systems is not strict – in one and the same society there are representatives of both ethical systems.

    • K-Dog June 13, 2017 at 11:19 am #

      Lefebvre calculus seems very interesting and applicable. Having watched the first of Oliver Stones Putin Interviews last night a Russian twist in this moral calculus allows Putin to plan for Russian prosperity fifty years ahead and to reduce Russian poverty by two thirds as he has done.

      Compromise allows the consideration of long term goals but confrontation traps one in the moment. Putin sees that America is spinning out of control. I caught a quick utterance that put perspective on the current and quite ugly Democratic agenda behind our current bout of Russian hate mongering. In contrast eliminating poverty and achieving prosperity are long term goals that Putin is able to consider because he is not trapped in the moment.

      Putin defined Clinton as a Neo-Con and Oliver cut in a quick clip of her hating on Russia to show that she in fact is. (this interview was two years old and it begins the series) this observation was not a major theme and only part in a larger discussion with Stone about how the current atmosphere in American elections does not serve the American People or the process of good governance.

      Thats what I got from it but it was not said directly. Short term self interest is a social cancer but this is what The U.S. political elite consider a virtue and centers all their activities around. Putin in contrast believes in discipline hard work results and the long view.

      The U.S. sponsorship of terror was discussed. In particular the U.S. sponsorship of Chechen separatists and our sponsorship and creation of Osama bin Laden was talked about. Putin is a very disciplined man committed to achieving positive outcomes. I recommend the interviews. Putin understands that sponsoring terrorism will always spin out of control and the blow-back leads to disaster.

      This ‘Theory of Conflicting Structures’ seems to have been apparent in the first interview but a man as competent as Putin can’t be confined to only one category and pigeon-holed into a neat calculus.

    • sophia June 13, 2017 at 12:30 pm #

      Hm, this was a bit abstract. This was quite interesting:

      “Paradoxically, however, representatives of the Western ethical system seek to reach a compromise with their rival to enhance their ethical status, while the representatives of the Eastern go with him into a principled conflict.”

      As it gave results the opposite of what was expected. It is also confusing that you equate this eastern ethical system as Soviet, but it would have to be at least an amalgamation of Soviet with the prior society, which was Orthodox Christian and even simply Slavic.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:13 pm #

        He’s Jewish and has his own tribal agenda. He loves the Soviet system that ruthlessly persecuted the Orthodox Church and butchered the Czar. For a few months he was on a religious kick and became Orthodox, but no that seems to be dying down.

  57. thwack June 13, 2017 at 8:07 am #

    If anyone is interested, here is a nice short, sharp, no nonsense AB workout

    youtube.com/watch?v=OiJIg2YXfRU&t=88s

    Once a day and you are done.

    It really helps compensate for the creeping poor posture and back issues that stem from sitting in front of a screen or behind the wheel of a car too much (you know who you are?)

    Best of all, you don’t need any equipment so its perfect for broke ass mofos like Janos living in their moms basement.

    His 4 way slip line shadow boxing routine is another good one.

    Do your spine a favor.

    • nsa June 13, 2017 at 9:57 am #

      Stop putting those 200 lb peroxided white chicks on top and you wouldn’t have a back problem……..just saying.

      • thwack June 13, 2017 at 11:03 am #

        No.

        What you are really saying is you can’t stand it when a black person offers constructive information designed to solve a problem.

        I threw the bait out there I knew you would bite.

        Thanks for playin.

  58. Lonely Traveler June 13, 2017 at 8:42 am #

    Another fine essay about the decline and fall of the American Empire, Mr. Kunstler. Reading various writers’ opinions about how awful collapse will be reminded me of a great book. The book is The Mandibles by Lionel Shriver. It describes the misfortunes of one family, the Mandibles, as they watch their fortunes crumble and disappear. This is a work of fiction, but the author consulted with all manner of financial and social science experts to help her build a credible story. The Mandibles face both gradual decline and rapid chaos but one thing is certain: once decline is well underway, it will accelerate. This book would be enjoyed by anyone who is looking to understand how decline will happen. It may not be so enjoyable for those who think the status quo will somehow survive.

    • Dumbedup June 13, 2017 at 11:18 am #

      That is the most likely scenario. But it could happen suddenly as it almost did in 2007-2008.

      The flow of money depends on the trustworthiness of collateral. If banks believe that the collateral posted by other banks as they move money (debt) back and forth is worthless they will not loan money. When GE goes to make it’s payroll and finds that it’s LOC is no longer available because it’s bank cannot borrow in the overnight markets it can cause an immediate catastrophic failure in the banking loan business. What happened in 2008 is that the Federal Reserve and the US Congress stepped in and provided a stopgap by guaranteeing these overnight loans or in some cases making the loans themselves. I question whether or not they could do that again and maintain the integrity of the system.

  59. Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 11:17 am #

    I used to follow Michael Hudson’s articles closely about the whole financialization thing, and I found it persuasive. He argues that the FIRE part of the economy leeches off the real, physical economy. While this all appears to be true things may have gone past the stage where it matters all that much as there is a huge psychological problem which will need to be sorted out or to come to a head before anything else can be done. Perhaps I am wrong and that sensible practical measures in themselves might help bring everyone to their senses. Ah, but then can those who inhabit insane fantasies about Putin, Trump and the end of the world (AGW) act sensibly when they are not being insane?

    • FincaInTheMountains June 13, 2017 at 11:29 am #

      How come Michael Hudson never writes about the dot.com fraud – probably the biggest financial crime perpetrated in the human history?

      Money printed during Informational Superhighway project funded by super-inflated value of NASDAQ “technology” companies is by far the biggest contributor to current economic crisis.

      Or was he too on a couple of lucrative “technology” IPOs during that time? The sorts you buy at $15 in the morning, to sell at $60 in the afternoon to go to 99 cents the next day?

  60. onehunglo June 13, 2017 at 12:06 pm #

    thus spoke you one Pat Buchanan:
    cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/are-we-nearing-civil-war

    “Not in memory have there been so many leaks to injure a president from within his own government, and not just political leaks, but leaks of confidential, classified and secret documents. The leaks are coming out of the supposedly secure investigative and intelligence agencies of the U.S. government.” Patrick J. Buchanan, June 13, 2017.

    onehunglo have news flash: if you ask question, “are we nearing civil war”, you already there.

    many lobsters in warming kettle waking up, and not understand who control heat.

    that ok.

    let not you heart be troubled.

    may God be with you.

    -onehunglo

    • thwack June 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm #

      Many lobster, waking up, sweat on brow from heat, look around attack other lobster.

      One who control heat approve encourage behavior.

      Let not your mind be wasted from terrible thing

    • pequiste June 13, 2017 at 2:21 pm #

      Don’t forget the bibs, drawn butter and those little forks.

  61. seawolf77 June 13, 2017 at 1:10 pm #

    No president was treated worse? Dude, Kennedy was fucking shot in the head.?

    • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 2:22 pm #

      That may be in the cards as per Kathy Griffin. You people are fucking insane and completely out of control.

    • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 3:08 pm #

      He was shot in the head by the same sinister Democratic cabal.
      LBJ’d.

      • ffkling June 13, 2017 at 5:03 pm #

        Gotta love the evil creativity of Republican fake news.

        • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 6:22 pm #

          Yeah, Oliver Stone has voted straight ticket GOP since the 60s

  62. FincaInTheMountains June 13, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

    It is also confusing that you equate this eastern ethical system as Soviet == Sophia

    Stalin’s USSR is buried much more thoroughly than Urartu.

    It is buried as probably Dr. Goebbels dreamed in May 1945. Sometimes it occurs to me that if, instead of Khrushchev, in 1953, an agent of Martin Bormann, who inherited the Wilhelm Canaris archive, seized power in the USSR, he would not be able to erase the memory of the state that caused such a terrible defeat to his masters.

    Khrushchev’s lies are passed on from generation to generation and entered the brain so thoroughly that even now, when it’s just Wikipedia, not to mention electronic libraries allow everyone to “research” this question independently, the memory of Stalin’s USSR is safely buried under a heap of completely absurd propaganda.

    Meanwhile, after September 8, 1943 (the restoration of the Patriarchate in the ROC), the Orthodox vector appeared in Stalin’s policy, not only in domestic politics, but also in the foreign one. In full this was manifested in the fact that in the fall of 1944 preparations began for the celebration of the 500th anniversary of the autocephaly of the Russian Church and the Meeting of the Heads of the Orthodox Churches in Moscow, which was held in 1948.

    We do not know how sincere Stalin’s sympathies for the Orthodox Church were, but beyond all doubt he tried to use Orthodoxy for political purposes and tried to create something like the Orthodox International, which in some sense was to replace the Comintern, dissolved almost simultaneously with the election of Metropolitan Sergius as Patriarch of Moscow.

    • sophia June 15, 2017 at 10:47 am #

      It is said he restored the church to give courage to the troops. But wasn’t the church still persecuted? I take it you consider the current church in Russia to be legitimate, as in not compromised?

  63. volodya June 13, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

    Yes indeed Mr Ozone, that would include Dr Krugman, that same Dr Krugman whose writings I consult when I need a good laugh. Take courage Mr Ozone, if the Universe sees fit to bestow such honors on one as laughable as this, just imagine what the Universe can do for you.

    OTOH Mr Ozone, maybe I should temper this remark by saying something about karma. Yes, karma, that religious doctrine that tells us what a bitch karma is, giving with one hand and taking with two. See Mr Ozone, if some great undeserved thing, like an honor or prize or maybe wealth or maybe some lubricious babe, falls into one’s lap one should beware of its opposite following. How many times have we seen it, pride going before the fall, colors flying, horns and trumpets braying.

    Pride going before the fall applies especially to the great schemers and planners and arrangers of human affairs who would presume to go places where they don’t belong, who would presume to know better than the multitudes already there. You mentioned one such name, a fellow who aspired far beyond his sparse abilities. He’s not the only guilty party, a great many followed him, many continue to defend his modus operandi. “We know how to do this” said Leon Panetta one sorry evening. “No we don’t know how to do this” replied Andrew Bacevich to his great credit. I don’t know about you Mr Ozone but I like Mr Bacevich’s approach better.

    It’s the same in the financial realm. The schemers and planners tell us they have knowledge they couldn’t possibly have, or what simple horse-sense and a street-level logic tells us couldn’t possibly be, or they assert things in direct opposition to what our lyin’ eyes are tellin’ us. When someone wants to give you financial advice Mr Ozone, tell him to keep his hands where you can see them because if you don’t, he’s gonna stick one of them in your wallet.

  64. volodya June 13, 2017 at 1:26 pm #

    Long live Millwall Mr Coleman.

    millwallfc.co.uk/

    Long life to Roy Larner

    mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/lion-london-bridge-roy-larner-10613808

    • Sean Coleman June 13, 2017 at 5:52 pm #

      How very, very strange to see that written on an American blog!

      Our motto (dating back a century) is ‘No-one likes us, we don’t care’. And it is true, nobody does like us.

      I was at one match in the bad days in the 70s when there was a fight high up on the terrace. Everyone turned round to watch and even the players on the pitch stopped playing for a second. I can still remember the ref standing there open-mouthed.

      I left London for Ireland thirty years ago and was only back once to the Den to watch them, last year. I was no hooligan myself. For one thing I wouldn’t have been any good even if I tried. And for another, the idea is laughable. Football violence is rightly denounced but it is wrong to imply that they are cowards.

      I think football hooliganism happened because England had been such a law-abiding and tolerant place until the Swinging Sixties. It would surely have been stamped on hard in the US. The Den was closed (for the first time) in the 1930s, but that was very much an aberration.

      I had been wondering if any Millwall fans had been caught up in the London Bridge attack and then my brother told me about this.

      (I am not implying Roy Larner is a hooligan but he can obviously handle himself if, er, called upon!)

      They are a small club and fiercely resist the slick broad appeal of Manchester United and their like.

  65. Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 2:26 pm #

    Have you people no shame?

    thehornnews.com/seriously-theater-troupe-assassinates-trump-stage/

    They made Julius Caesar to look like Trump. Despicable little vermin who need to be taught a lesson.

    • seawolf77 June 13, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

      Do you channel Ignatius O’Reilly when you blog?

    • seawolf77 June 13, 2017 at 4:02 pm #

      “Well, fortunately I didn’t meet them. Had they crossed my path, they would have been beaten to within an inch of their lives. Do you think that I want to live in a communal society with people like that Battaglia acquaintance of yours, sweeping streets and breaking up rocks or whatever it is people are always doing in those blighted countries? What I want is a good, strong monarchy with a tasteful and decent king who has some knowledge of theology and geometry and to cultivate a Rich Inner Life” (pp. 182-184).

  66. Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 2:45 pm #

    Comey forgot to leak that Trump wasn’t under investigation. And if he had, the Media wouldn’t have published it. The whole thing is just utter slander and innuendo – and they’re not going to stop. Nationalize the media? Can that be done without Martial Law? Doubt it. What is there to lose? Radical change is coming one way or another. The choice is whether to be the Agent of Change or the lumpen mass that is changed. Or as Thwack would say, the Fucker or the Fuckee. The Man or the Beyotch. Thank you Thwack, we get it. That’s enough. Are you listening Malthus? I can hear the beating of your hideous heart!

    • 100th Avatar June 13, 2017 at 3:05 pm #

      How come the media isn’t talking about the classified hearing? The one where Comey addresses the Lynch memo to quash the Clinton investigation? She fell and lost her memory, investigation ends here! What a farce this government is.

      • 100th Avatar June 14, 2017 at 12:46 pm #

        Comey told Grassley that Lynch’s political cover of HC was classified. He said he’d address later (the classified hearing AKA the public can’t know)

    • Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 10:36 am #

      Speaking of slander and innuendo:

      Trump finally admits it: ‘President Barack Obama was born in the United States

      Eight years Trump fed this line of B.S. Eight years, only to finally give it up with just a few words. Well, turnabout is fair play and all that. The whole thing would be much funnier if the potential consequences weren’t so dire.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:17 pm #

        So why do Kenyan relatives say he was born over there? Why did he receive financial aid for foreign students?

        Trump did a strategic retreat. He obviously knows the Truth. You are confused or pretend to be. But let’s face it: the law means nothing to you since you don’t believe in separate countries. That a foreigner was able to circumvent our Law means that we’re weakening – and that a great thing in your dirty little red book.

  67. GhostOfHam June 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm #

    Yes Indeed. Eventually after the devil convinces you that he doesn’t exist, that God is dead, and that nothing matters you wake up with all the harvested tormented souls in hell. But, hey, better a King in Hell, than a Prince in Heaven.

    thelawdictionary.org/hell/

  68. Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 3:30 pm #

    Most Muslims aren’t terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims. Now that simple truth leaves behind people with only double digit IQ’s. It will just seem like verbal trickery when in fact, it’s just an economical way of showing the fact.

    Thus Japan has little Muslim terrorism (and thus little terrorism) because it has few Muslims. That pretty basic, even for the double digits. Now we get really daring: If Japan wants to remain at peace, it follows that they should keep their Muslim population as low as possible. If any has trouble following this (as it follows logically from the previous premises) it is only because the brain virus of PC is interfering with your logical circuits. Clean them and it will be clear. And btw, making the effort to understand the forgoing is just such a cleaning in and of itself. Still having trouble? Get a basic primer in logic. Work thru the examples and then come back to this. It might just flow for you once you have practiced with neutral examples.

    • seawolf77 June 13, 2017 at 3:46 pm #

      I think you’ve just invented a new form of snarkiness: Consensual Condescension

      • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm #

        Simple stuff I grant you – but yet you can’t do it. Despite your learning and IQ you are unable to come to correct conclusions about so many things. It’s the virus, not the equipment. You can recover – but only if you choose to.

        Most terrorists are Muslims really, really bothers you, doesn’t it? But that doesn’t mean it’s not true. It is. Your virus doesn’t like it.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm #

        I’m snarky? Pure projection, Colbert Jr. You can snark all you like – it doesn’t change the truth value of what I said one iota.

        Colbert’s election night special is for the Ages. The smile became fixed, gradually turning into a grimace and then a snarl. Yet the rancid little funny fuck had to go on with the show – torture for him, nectar for Conservative Gods.

        • seawolf77 June 13, 2017 at 6:21 pm #

          Snark, snark! Snark, snark!

  69. tucsonspur June 13, 2017 at 3:49 pm #

    Some Doggerel on Financialization

    From time of birth
    It’s what you’re worth,
    Chase that dollar down

    Get to work
    Don’t be a jerk,
    Chase that dollar down

    Livin’ in a dump?
    Just look at Trump,
    Chase that dollar down

    Your head keeps spinnin’
    Cause you ain’t winnin’,
    Chase that dollar down

    Can’t pay the phone?
    Just get a loan,
    Chase that dollar down

    From cradle to grave
    You’re only a slave,
    Chase that dollar down

    Hedge fund fat cat
    Minimum wage doormat,
    Chase that dollar down

    Better get wise
    You’ve been financialized,
    And that dollar will chase you down

    That damn dollar will chase you down.

    • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm #

      Well, ladies and germs;

      The BBC has just reported, this AM, that British scientists have developed a drug, in pill form, that increases the melanin in the skin…giving a tan, or darker skin color, without the UV radiation of the Sun. I expect that Thwack will feel vindicated in his racial arguments regarding how a person self-identifies, as with this drug, taken in large amounts, a white person could conceivably be mistaken for a person of the black race. This presents a problem…how are we now to visually identify persons we can discriminate against? Arrest records and credit scores?

      • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 4:40 pm #

        Correction;

        They were not British scientist, but rather scientists in Massachusetts, and the drug is currently in cream form. I apologize for my errors.

      • thwack June 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm #

        If true its interesting.

        Does it only affect the skin?

        The reason I ask is because Melanin also plays an important role in your eyes.

        This is the reason many people with albinism are legally blind.

      • thwack June 13, 2017 at 7:40 pm #

        “as with this drug, taken in large amounts, a white person could conceivably be mistaken for a person of the black race.”

        ************************

        Actually, I kinda already do that; and I suspect its the reason you all hate me so much?

        See,

        being a white person is to a certain extent, a kind of Jedi mind trick. So the way I handle it is to think of every white person I deal with as having a non white parent?

        In other words, I treat every white person as if they are “passing for white.”

        Why?

        Because we don’t let non white people get away with things we let white people get away with.

        “Checking” white people is a mental game that takes some practice because we are so used to allowing them to say or do anything and not question it.

        So one way to get comfortable being uncomfortable is to imagine them having a nonwhite parent; then its real easy to audit their behavior and call them out on their flim flam, hood winking, and planetary wide bamboozelosophy…

        It is my considered opinion that this new political category commonly referenced as the “alt- right” is actually an attempt to expand the definition of “white” to include historically challenged groups of people who in the past were excluded.

        I even predicted the appearance of such a phenomenon back in the 90s as a response to the “browning of America.”

        Don’t believe me?

        Go over to counter currents publishing and witness Greg Johnson and his merry band of sodomite/pederast white supremacists whining about “white genocide?”

        “Roaming Millennial?”

        same thing; some kind of half gook mystery meat mouthing off about “IQ” and making America great again..

        Tara McCarthy?

        Don’t even get me started about that resting bitch faced, dot indian, curry breathed cunt.

        But my all time favorite is Leo Felton. He got the jump on ALL you fools:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Felton

        • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 8:13 pm #

          The link to the melanin story;

          bbc.com/news/health-40260029

          “************************

          Actually, I kinda already do that; and I suspect its the reason you all hate me so much”

          Thwack,
          I would be shocked to believe anyone on this site hates you…I don’t.

          On an ancillary note…if this discovery can promote melanin, then is it possible to have a product that can…remove melanin or retard it’s production?

          I can see the marketing possibilities…. The drug can be called
          “Bepassinyall”…. Sadly, the market would be huge.

          • thwack June 13, 2017 at 9:45 pm #

            if this discovery can promote melanin, then is it possible to have a product that can…remove melanin or retard it’s production?

            *********************

            But can you target its application to remove melanin ONLY where it is concentrated in the skin, without removing the smaller but far more important and specific quantities in the eye?

            Why should I give up my color when instead I could increase my vocabulary and have the best of both worlds?

        • elysianfield June 13, 2017 at 11:32 pm #

          Thwack,
          The article indicated that the effect might be topical…keep that shit out of your eyes…just like a process….

          • thwack June 14, 2017 at 1:07 am #

            Thats not how skin works you ass wipe.

            How do you think those pain killer patches cancer patients use work?

            The drug contained in the patch is absorbed through your skin and ends up in your brain. You eyes are a part of your brain that pokes through your skull.

            You aint gonna be able to keep it out your eyes.

            In addition, your liver is gonna end up looking like a tennis shoe as it attempts to remove what it considers a poison from your body.

            Just ask this guy about “topical effects”

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#/media/File:Agent-Orange-dioxin-skin-damage-Vietnam.jpg

          • elysianfield June 14, 2017 at 10:46 am #

            Thwack.
            Ass Wipe? ASS WIPE?

            Regarding the topical use of the drug, the article does not identify any untoward side effects, such as blindness.

            Regarding the use of topical unguents, the use of baby oil in a certain demographic to combat the “ashy” doesn’t seem to promote…wait a minute…babies are whining little effluent-generating, entirely self-centered, demanding dependents….

            just thinkin’

      • Sean Coleman June 14, 2017 at 5:10 pm #

        By analogy with Northern Ireland it would probably be by religion. Atheists would be the upper caste and those who have religious beliefs would fill the role of the despised and exploited.

  70. janet June 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm #

    “would take me out and beat me to a pulp. That’s what real Nations look like. That’s how citizens act.” –janos

    That is how hoodlums and thugs act. Might does not make right.

    Violence against whomever is different is the way to perpetual civil war. Taking people out and beating them up because you don’t believe they “belong to your nation” is a formula for perpetual unrest.

    The Black were brought here and terrorized. The Italians arrived and were beaten up. The Jews arrived and were beaten up. The Poles arrived and were beaten up. The Chinese were ruthlessly exploited, then kicked out.

    Even if the entire nation was Caucasian, you would have these conflicts between Poles, Italians, Germans, etc. Even if the entire nation was German, using your definition of a nation you would have conflicts between the different Germans, e.g. those from northern Germany versus southern Germany.

    You don’t get to decide who composes the nation, janos. The U.S. Constitution has already done that.

    The only way a nation works is based on American principles that all are created equal, all are free to pursue life, liberty and happiness. ALL means everyone who is here, regardless of civil status, with or without citizenship, not just those with official papers.

    Tolerance, multiculturalism, acceptance of others, that is what allows a nation to be built: diversity is strength. Your way is weakness: always fighting with others because they are not what you think they should be, not the color you like, not the religion you like, not the language you like, not with citizenship.

    • Dumbedup June 14, 2017 at 11:03 am #

      Well said … and thank you!!

      Janos’ version of America is white, male, Christian and allowed to beat up and take advantage of people less powerful and less influential based solely on opinion, and they are allowed to do it with impunity. There is a great deal of that in America at this very moment.

      That sentiment has always been on the periphery and was tolerated but not accepted. When we failed to enforce the rule of law beginning with Bill Clinton in the 1990s and culminating in the massive fraud during the Bush years and the Great Recession it opened the floodgates. For example, hospitals and drug companies manipulate the system and raise prices without any sense of decency or comity. This kind of thinking is no longer on the periphery. It is slowly becoming mainstream.

      It was unleashed by the election of Donald Trump because he tapped into a vast but formless anger of those who believe they have been robbed by a crony economic and political system. (And they have been robbed.) It allowed them to give that anger form and place the blame on Muslims, Mexicans, Jews and to some extent women.

      We are careening recklessly down the path to perdition with no moral leadership. Everything can be justified. The only laws that are enforced are the drug laws which penalize the lower class and former middle class.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:23 pm #

        In other word, no countries and no religion too. Just a gender queer, grey colored humanity. American Culture triumphant over all only sans all the historic White stuff.

        You make a desert and you call it Peace. There are worse things than violence. Preventing the Abomination of your Vision is worth fighting for.

        So you don’t deny that Mexicans would do exactly as Jones says? But that’s alright, right? Cuz they’re not White and he is? Don’t let me put words in your mouth – explain yourself if you can.

  71. janet June 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm #

    “20 Trillion in admitted government debt” –malthuss

    Is that all? Kind of like a rounding error on unaccounted for Pentagon funds.

  72. dolph9 June 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm #

    Clueless young blacks are wandering all through my formerly nice town, without a care in the world.

    Because everything is just fine, right? Party on!

    I’m sure they will grow up and build nuclear fusion plants and spaceships to Mars. That’s what Hollywood says in the movies, so it must be right.

    • thwack June 13, 2017 at 6:05 pm #

      You deserve to be lied to as punishment for worshiping Hollywood.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 7:21 pm #

        In other words, any White dumb enough to trust Blacks (the trustworthy image Hollywood has created of them) deserves to be savaged by Blacks. It’s not the Black’s fault – it’s the Whites.

        This is a perfect example of the Demonic mentality.

        • thwack June 13, 2017 at 7:48 pm #

          In other words, any White dumb enough to trust NASA (the trustworthy image Hollywood has created of them) deserves to be tricked and looted by their own government. It’s not the governments’s fault, or the Jew’s fault, or the blak’s fault… – it’s the low IQ Whites fault.

          There, I fixed it for ya

          • Janos Skorenzy June 13, 2017 at 11:45 pm #

            Their sins don’t justify or excuse those of the Blacks. Classic prison/junkyard dog mentality. Your focus on Whites as the Centre of Existence is not wrong – but you just make it into a negative because of your demonic mentality.

            Like most dark skinned groups (not just Blacks), you seek to tear us down to make yourselves feel better. The equality of the damaged goods and victimization. The real mystery is why you don’t convert to Islam, the organizing principle of the revolt against the White Man and his World. The Jews think they can manage this as they have all of you here in America. I think they’re wrong.

          • thwack June 14, 2017 at 7:44 am #

            The real mystery is why you don’t convert to Islam, the organizing principle of the revolt against the White Man and his World.

            ************************

            There are some things I admire about Islam; but I like Christianity better because I think it is a more difficult code to practice.

            Thats why I always end up in the ring with you. Everybody else is duckin me, fighting bums and set ups…

            If you wanna be the best, you gotta take on the best.

            So go ahead, shoot your best shot, be for real, show me what you made of, don’t get weak and blame the Jews, you made me everything I am today.

            Thanks dad.

          • elysianfield June 14, 2017 at 10:50 am #

            “Their sins don’t justify or excuse those of the Blacks. Classic prison/junkyard dog mentality. Your focus on Whites as the Centre of Existence is not wrong – but you just make it into a negative because of your demonic mentality.

            Like most dark skinned groups (not just Blacks), you seek to tear us down to make yourselves feel better. The equality of the damaged goods and victimization. The real mystery is why you don’t convert to Islam, the organizing principle of the revolt against the White Man and his World. The Jews think they can manage this as they have all of you here in America. I think they’re wrong.”

            Yeah,….what he said….

        • sophia June 14, 2017 at 1:35 pm #

          Janos, Janos. Seems to me that you generalize about blacks and put them all in the ghetto. All people vary in smarts and in wisdom, kindness and so on. Yeah, even black people.

          I know you have a moral sense, and I see that you are bright. But do you have nuance?
          Do you have a religious persuasion?

          • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:39 pm #

            Have you studied psychometrics? The average Negro IQ is 70 – retarded by our standards. And since morality depends to some extent on intelligence (see the work of Laurence Kohlberg), Black Africa will always be a basket case.

            Black Americans are smarter (average IQ of 85) because of their White blood.

            If you show a small child a block, red on one side and green on the other, then place the block between you, with the red side facing him, then ask him what color YOU see. He will say red. He can’t image you are having a different experience than him. His morality will be equally narcissistic since he can’t put himself in the place of others.

            Now there is more to it: even when he attain the cognitive ability to put himself in the place of others, he may not want to. Thus the mad scientist idea of the intellect outrunning the heart is all too real. But it does have to be there. It is necessary but not sufficient for moral maturity.

            Our Religion is simply not up to the challenge of a Global World. Christianity unless it can reform itself, guarantees the disappearance of Western Civilization and the White Race. Hinduism defends its people because although deep, it is not broad. It is for one Civilization and the peoples of India. Christianity is deep and broad and promotes the brotherhood of man. Islam is deep, broad, promotes the brotherhood of man thru force.

            Even the Buddhists are doing better than us. Buddhism: deep, broad, brotherhood of man, etc are still driving the Muslims into the sea in Burma. They know they cannot coexist with them. They remember what the Muslims did to them in old India. It started again in Burma with Muslims raping and setting meditating monks on fire.

            We are cucked. No sense of self preservation at all. Just brotherhood of man crap, of which there is an endless amount in Christianity. What would Christ have said? Who knows? Does anyone really care? He did say to love other as YOU LOVE YOURSELF. Letting non Whites take our Civilization is not loving ourselves. He did say GO OUT and teach all men. He said nothing about bringing them in. And for what it’s worth, the Church did affirm the right of men to gather in separate nations. Does anyone care about that now? They’re all on board in the West. Even the Orthodox are weakening, here at least. The only hope may be a resurgent Church militant Orthodoxy in Russia and among the Slavs in general.

          • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:25 pm #

            THE TALENTED TENTH.
            Those with a job.
            those with an AA job.
            those with a College degree.

            The ones more likely to mix with YT [whitey], yet Browns and Yellows still avoid Blacks, far as I can tell.

          • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:27 pm #

            Janos– a religious persuasion?

            He mixes his faiths. He has many.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 10:35 pm #

            God IS, Malthus. The approaches are as many as the lives of men. But for a more conventional answer within the metaphor: the main paths up the mountain are the different religions.

            Martin Lings, a convert to Sufism, had a beautiful metaphor: Divine Revelation is like a Tide. Religions are the tidal pools left when the tide goes out.

  73. FincaInTheMountains June 13, 2017 at 5:41 pm #

    Russian hackers hit election systems in at least 39 states in the summer and fall of 2016

    So?

    Most of the Russian government are either operatives or agents of American Deep State. (not counting the President).

  74. Pucker June 14, 2017 at 1:24 am #

    Trump may do well in property development?

    “Financially, the Rangers deal was basically about real estate. By getting the city to build them a new stadium, Bush and his partners increased the team’s book value from $ 83 million to $ 138 million. This required convincing the city’s taxpayers that they would lose the team if they did not pay up for the stadium. To raise the $ 191 million it would cost to build the Ballpark at Arlington, residents residents were asked to add a half cent to what was already one of the nation’s highest sales tax rates.”

  75. MrTibbs June 14, 2017 at 3:04 am #

    Solve Y.

    Y = career politicians x career lawyers x mainstream media x unelected Deep State bureaucrats x Hollywood elites x unprosecuted corruption

    God integrates empirically.
    – Albert Einstein.

    Y = old republic.

    They Call Me Mr. Tibbs.

    -T

  76. Pucker June 14, 2017 at 4:14 am #

    Condoleeza Rice was one of George W. Bush’s incompetent ass kissers.

    “W. was concerned enough about adverse publicity to hire Dallas attorney Harriet Miers to represent him. Nothing came of the suit, but Miers soon joined the Bush team to fix other messes, and eventually became his White House counsel. According to a White House speechwriter, Miers once called Bush the most brilliant man she had ever met. 14 W. rewarded her loyalty in 2005 by nominating her for a seat on the Supreme Court. She had to withdraw from consideration in the face of a firestorm of criticism from both sides of the aisle, mainly regarding her lack of qualifications.”

  77. Pucker June 14, 2017 at 4:32 am #

    George Soros was a big investor in George W. Bush Jr.’s shady company, Harken Energy. Who is George Soros?

  78. Pucker June 14, 2017 at 4:48 am #

    “The issues W. and Rove chose were rather predictable: W. would be for children and against criminals. Bush received requests from the highest levels that he commute the death sentence of the killer Karla Faye Tucker, who had expressed remorse and, like W. himself, found religion. But for Tucker, there would be no second chance, and she became the first woman executed in Texas since the Civil War. Journalist Tucker Carlson later claimed that during an interview for a print article, the governor had been particularly callous toward the late convict, even mocking her stated fear of death.”

    • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm #

      She had been a real sicko.

  79. FincaInTheMountains June 14, 2017 at 4:51 am #

    Trump moves into a strategic offensive

    Yesterday the hearing under oath was held of the US Attorney General Sessions in the Senate Commission, who was very aggressively defending himself against the Clintonoids, obviously trying to justify himself in the eyes of the President, who was very unhappy when the Attorney General recused himself from overseeing the case of Russia’s connection to the Trump election campaign.

    And as if in order to prove that Sessions sycophancy is at least reasonable, Trump saluted his “heroic struggle” with the Clintonoids in the senate commission, accusing the previous attorney general, Loretta Lynch, of criminal indulgence of Hillary Clinton.

    And this is already a direct path to accusing Hillary of a coup d’etat on June 10, 2016 and unlawful removal of President Obama from power.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 14, 2017 at 4:55 am #

      Leader of the US White Project Dianne Feinstein: Comey should testify on the Clinton investigation before the Senate Judiciary Committee

      Fired FBI Director James Comey should testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee about his Senate Intelligence Committee testimony revelation that former Attorney General Loretta Lynch asked him to downplay his investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Sunday in an interview on CNN’s State of the Union.

      theweek.com/speedreads/705057/feinstein-says-comey-should-testify-clinton-investigation-before-senat…

    • sophia June 14, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

      Finc,

      What coup? getting rid of Bernie?, and what do you mean about removing Obama from power?

  80. thwack June 14, 2017 at 9:58 am #

    That 27 story building that caught fire in London may be an example of one of those “tells” that we are already in “The Long Emergency?”

    They can no longer afford to maintain the health and safety standards required by the architecture of such buildings.

    • Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 10:07 am #

      Or the owner couldn’t afford it, at any rate. Or couldn’t be bothered. From what I read, the residents had been complaining about the building’s condition for a while.

  81. wm5135 June 14, 2017 at 10:01 am #

    Finc -“You’re certainly wrong about that: Germany and Saudi Arabia were the biggest offenders through financial and logistical support of the Clinton campaign, Russia if played a role, very insignificant one.”
    *
    One example of a foreign national individually and successfully acting to corrupt the outcome of the process will be sufficient. An example of a state successfully altering the outcome of an election unilaterally?
    *
    Poll taxes, terror, gerrymandering, split districts, closing polling locations. 3/5 of a person or a full person? were not going to vote any way. Closed primaries. Foreign entanglements?
    *
    Ask any descendants of the Rosenbergs how the traitor thing used to work. Now you get yourself a Foundation or an NGO and a few willing bodies animated only by greed and you are good to go.

  82. Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 10:06 am #

    Very troubled to hear about the shooting of congressman Steve Scalise and others this morning. Fortunately, they are all expected to survive and the shooter is in custody.

    Here’s some happier news.

    Refugee who lost fingers to frostbite wins bid to stay in Canada

    ‘Our prayers have been answered,’ says Seidu Mohammed, who crossed border with Razak Iyal on Christmas Eve

    cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/razak-iyal-wins-case-1.4159193

    Razak Iyal, a refugee who lost all his fingers to frostbite after walking into Canada on Christmas Eve, has won his bid to stay in Canada.

    Iyal and his friend, Seidu Mohammed, walked through snowy farmers’ fields to get to Manitoba, fearing deportation in the United States, where they had been living.

    “I’m happy because if I go back to Ghana, I might lose all my life. But here I am, I just lost my fingers, but I’m still part of the society. I can do a lot of things that the people who have the fingers can do,” Iyal said.

    Both men are from Ghana and say they feared for their lives if they were sent back home.

    Mohammed, an outed bisexual man, found out in May he had been granted refugee protection and would be allowed to stay in Canada but a verdict in Iyal’s refugee case, originally scheduled for March, was put off until Tuesday.

    Welcome to Canada!

    • DA June 14, 2017 at 10:38 am #

      When local news (KOB, Albuquerque NM) reported this this morning, the reporter added “possibly with a Kalashnikov rifle” to the end of his statement one time, and then I never heard that again from any of the subsequent sources. Hmm, interesting slip of the tongue. Makes me wonder if this isn’t another manufactured news event (real event, manufactured “facts” after the fact) like there is on damn near all synthetic terror events. I’ll be on the lookout for that in the coming days.

    • volodya June 14, 2017 at 11:09 am #

      Troubling but given the ubiquity of firearms not wholly surprising.

      • thwack June 14, 2017 at 11:46 am #

        I suspect the shooter was on the left and suffering from a bad case of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

        The low body count in spite of the use of a rifle and the element of surprise tells me this was no conservative republican.

        Just sayin

        • Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 1:12 pm #

          The reports suggest you’re on to something: reports are saying he was a Bernie Sanders supporter who worked on his campaign.

          I agree with Senator Sanders that real change can only come through nonviolent action. If it’s true that the shooter was a Sanders supporter, then he has brought great shame on his cause. Whatever he was in life, he died a villain.

          Also a damn fool. I can’t imagine a more generous gift to make to the alt-right. Piss on this guy.

          • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:19 pm #

            Change to what? More people into the USA?

      • DA June 14, 2017 at 2:23 pm #

        I just thought it really odd that a local reporter would mention something like that, even in passing, and even if it had been reported elsewhere (it hasn’t as far as I know). If it was a “Kalashnikov rifle” (more commonly known as an AK-47) that was being speculated on, wouldn’t it have been more appropriate to just say “an assault rifle?” The only thing I could draw from his statement was that it was meant to imply that it was a Russian made weapon, for what would seem to be obvious insinuating reasons. But the whole thing just struck me as exceedingly odd. Strange times we’re living in!

    • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm #

      Shot by a Bernie supporter, a Communist in other words, someone who supports endless Black African immigration into White Civilization. How did his viewpoints differ from yours I wonder?

      • Elrond Hubbard June 14, 2017 at 3:11 pm #

        Because I reject and condemn violence, to start with. To the point that I get ragged on around here for being oh-so-nuanced and ‘precious’ about it. But I mean it, and not only when it’s convenient, either. You have your answer.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm #

          The Left loves violence – by definition. Mandela refused to renounced it although called upon to do so repeatedly. You are practicing another tactic though: taqiyya or deception.

          thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

          • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

            WHERE DOES POLITICAL POWER COME FROM?
            [answer below]

            From the barrel of a gun–Mao Tse Tung.
            He should know as he was at the top as 70 million Chinamen were killed.

    • malthuss June 14, 2017 at 8:20 pm #

      U R sick.

  83. MrTibbs June 14, 2017 at 10:51 am #

    IS IT ANY WONDER??
    theweek.com/speedreads/705653/rep-mark-walker-says-gunman-targeted-congressional-baseball-practice-k…

    In the old republic, the very same “Capitol Hill Lawmakers” who pass budgets allocating over 8 trillion dollars in funding of armed conflicts and “nation building” in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria, lack the common sense to provide for their own armed personal security, the security of the old republic’s borders, and the integrity of the old republic’s infrastructure. However, they will be among the first to fail in the call to remove arms from patriots who exercise the Constitutional right to defend life and property from attack.

    Y = career politicians x career lawyers x mainstream media x unelected Deep State bureaucrats x Hollywood elites x unprosecuted corruption

    God integrates empirically.
    – Albert Einstein.

    Y = old republic.

  84. janet June 14, 2017 at 11:04 am #

    THINGS TO COME

    President Nancy Pelosi

    1. Democrats win the House (odds are good)

    2. Democrats win the Senate (really tough, but small possibi