JHK’s Three-Act Play
Europe may soon be choking on that plat du jour of government a la Hollandaise with the side of chopped Greek salad. The whole world, in fact, has got something like a giant hairball stuck in its craw. The hairball is composed of filaments of lies wound over a core of supernatural indebtedness. The lies are promises that the debt will be paid back.
For two months the financial markets have gone sideways on a cushion of the European Central Bank’s Long Term Refinancing Operations and the hot air of austerity chatter. The illusion of remaining airborne may dissolve now with the Hollandaise denunciation of Franco-German team spirit while a centripetal vortex of unpaid obligations sucks notional wealth through the event horizon of massive deflation.
Things are heating up, in other words. Wake up, sleepyheads! Welcome to the rest of the year 2012.
Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize winning Professor of Economics and International Affairs at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, Centenary Professor at the London School of Economics, and op-ed columnist for The New York Times, is so amusing this morning. I, too, almost upchucked my “Paleo” diet breakfast of salmon hash with four eggs (pas de Hollandaise). Krugman writes in his column:
What’s wrong with the prescription of spending cuts as the remedy for Europe’s ills? One answer is that the confidence fairy doesn’t exist — that is, claims that slashing government spending would somehow encourage consumers and businesses to spend more have been overwhelmingly refuted by the experience of the past two years. So spending cuts in a depressed economy just make the depression deeper.
What an excellent misrepresentation of reality by one of the official molders of public opinion and policy in this exceptional land. I would attempt to debate his statement above that spending less government money is proposed to encourage consumers, blah blah. It is proposed because government doesn’t have the money to spend and has run out of the ability to borrow more money due to the bad odor now wafting off the world’s compost heap of sovereign bond paper. Everyone is going broke simultaneously, including putative lenders, i.e. buyers of bonds, who are the same ones selling them.
I like the way Krugman avers offhandedly to the concept of “depression.” I believe this is a new thing for him to admit a certain absence of “green shoots” on the spring economic scene. Heretofore his halftime act between two presidential terms has been sheer cheerleading, but I guess he forgot to bring his pompoms to the office yesterday. I would refer to the situation as something more severe than a “depression,” which merely suggests a valley between peaks. I would say that we are instead out on the arid buzzard flats beside the deep blue sea where modernity is shortly to drown itself in a fugue of suicidal bad faith.
All of which is to say the pretense that has reigned since 2008 (viz: “recovery”) may not float through the rest of 2012. Surely in the USA, we are approaching a dark inflection point where the fall elections collide with the broken promises now gathering into the shitstorm vulgarly called “Taxmageddon.” The event horizon for that extravaganza of financial lightning strikes is officially January 1, but the effects will be felt long before that as households, businesses, pension funds, municipal governments, and various branches of the US military prepare to roll over and die.
Enjoy the European sideshow for now because the roustabouts are still setting the props for act in the center ring. When the clown cars pull into the political conventions this summer, I would like to see these circus troupes greeted by large and lively mobs of furious citizens hurling objurgations at the likes of Barack Obama and Willard “Mitt” Romney. This is probably the least we can do to register some objection to the two useless parties’ way of running things. Also, by the way, I would wonder what the generals over in the Pentagon will think (or might do!) as they see their country fall to tatters.
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The Big Slide has started with Europe and will continue, as no one seems to really have the ability to stand up and tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to here. A lack of leadership is just another symptom of an onrushing Dark Age.
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Great Post!!
And I nearly choked up my coffee at the image of Krugman’s pompoms. Thanks, Jim.
Speaking of pompoms, the whole “lies as truth” we’ve been force-fed for the last number of years reminds me of the “in crowd” that surfaces in various pockets throughout our lives. In high school, we’re told the people who play sports and are cheerleaders are popular, interesting, and destined for great things, when it’s plain to see for anyone with a brain that the opposite is true.
Later in life, we’re told through glowing articles that the high-profile, highly-paid bankers, financiers, and upper-management types with gleaming smiles and big homes are the winners in life, when it’s clear, once again, that it’s the humble and hardworking people who are most satisfied with ourselves and with life, which we’re too busy living to believe the garbage we’re presented as truth in the media.
Whatever you hear–and whatever you notice happening–turn off the TV, remember that our time here is short, and get busy appreciating everything we have here that is free.
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Actually Paul Krugman has been inveighing against the plutocrats and the austerity promoting banksters for quite a while now. And Krugman is totally correct that the continued wafting upwards towards the rich of all the 99%’s dwindling resources is obviously going to do nothing for conventional growth or the desperately needed Green Transition.
When the US wastes $1 Trillion per year on the costs of War, including now $200 per gallon fuel for Afghanistan, it is obvious that the US still has plenty of resources which could be invested in Rail, Green Transit, insulation etc. In this vein the nutcase Republicans are proposing to cut Medicare, Education etc so that the Military machine does not have to suffer ANY cuts under the debt deal those same Republicans agreed to last year.
Krugman is wrong to think that we can return to Keynes’ prescription for the Govt to get the economy going by simply paying people to dig holes and fill them back in. In the age of Peak Oil and Peak Everything we do not have the resources for that. However he is right that if the public sphere whether the Feds, State and Local governments or people’s own community efforts do not invest in a Green Transition to invest in energy-saving efforts then it will not be done. Private individuals can compost on their own, plant gardens, etc etc. But they cannot run Trains or Green Transit by themselves which is the key to oil usage reductions as it accounts for 70% of US oil usage. It requires organized social entities of some sort to do that. Which has always been the blind spot of boutique Tesla Environmentalism.
Excellent post this week Jim. Meanwhile, while Cumulous clouds form heavily in the East like huge wool packs heaped in picturesque disorder, the average American sits in silence, waiting for the storm to break on this side of the pond.
Urp… Burp… Hwalp!! (Ohhh, that’s better.)
Thanks Mr. James for another excellent screed. Are the snooze alarm time-periods getting shorter, or am I just getting hyper-sensitive to [potential] tipping points and ever-present excessive police actions?
The feline reference is great! (Of course you’ve seen the l’il critters regurgitate; man, they look like they’re gonna turn inside out. This exceptional land will probably look similar soonish.)
“The whole world, in fact, has got something like a giant hairball stuck in its craw. The hairball is composed of filaments of lies wound over a core of supernatural indebtedness. The lies are promises that the debt will be paid back.” -JHK
Truly fascinating what’s been done in the name of capitalism for its very own sake; resource tipping point reached; nicely done, Captains of Finance.
And then this:
“What an excellent misrepresentation of reality by one of the official molders of public opinion and policy in this exceptional land. I would attempt to debate his statement above that spending less government money is proposed to encourage consumers, blah blah. It is proposed because government doesn’t have the money to spend and has run out of the ability to borrow more money due to the bad odor now wafting off the world’s compost heap of sovereign bond paper. Everyone is going broke simultaneously, including putative lenders, i.e. buyers of bonds, who are the same ones selling them.” -JHK
I gots to tell ya, that’s one of the snarkiest snarks pointed at punditry ever snarked (which would be a GOOD thing, IMHO). The beauty of it is its’ beginning “complimentary” direction, turned on its’ head to bloodletting satire. These apologists for “Profits ‘Til the End” have got to be driven from the temple of reasoned discourse. To call them “unhelpful” is to say the very least. How shall we cast these demons out?
Something Wicked This Way Comes
Headline:
The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets
And don’t kid yourself; they’re not for target practice. It’s .40 caliber ammunition, hollow point rounds that promise “optimum penetration for terminal performance.” The department also has a bid out for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammunition.
This isn’t the flipping army, you know. This is an internal national police force, a department that didn’t even exist 10 years ago.
Headline:
Supreme Court OKs Strip Searches for Minor Offenses
It’s okay with the Supreme Court if you are detained and subjected to a demeaning strip-search for such serious offenses against the State as violating a leash law or having a headlight out.
Really, is being strip-searched and perhaps even forced to take a delousing shower for riding your bicycle without an audible bell reasonable? Of course not. So much for the 4th Amendment.
Headline:
Police Are Using Phone Tracking as a Routine Tool
Even in the absence of judicial authorization, cell phone tracking has become widespread. An ACLU report covering more than 200 police departments finds that nearly all engage in the practice, but only a few bother with a warrant.
Would you be shocked to discover that some police departments are trying to keep their activities secret because of the legal implications? Officers have even been warned to keep their cell phone tracking out of police reports. Now what was that oath about upholding the law?
Headline:
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
The crown jewel of Federal spying is a new $2 billion, high tech center in Utah, a million square feet devoted to data gathering and storage. “NSA has turned its surveillance apparatus on the U.S. and its citizens,” reports an account of the program.
The facility will help manage information from 10 to 20 domestic telecom “listening posts.” “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state,” says William Binney, a former senior NSA crypto-mathematician.
What Is heading Our Way?
These are only a few recent headlines. But the police state is growing much faster than even these stories suggest. There is the developing proliferation of domestic spy drones; a variety of so-called cyber-security bills – internet kill switches – are working their way through Congress; and, of course, there are executive power grabs like the presidential power to target American citizens for assassination found in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).
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Riding along on the highway to work listening to NPR’s business news segment I was struck by the useless chatter and buzz around an IPO of Facebook or some other such inane social blog. Who gives a shit?? At this late hour instead of real meaningful ‘business’ offerings that may actually offer some prayer of solving any of the grave issues we face, ‘investors’ are posturing to buy ‘shares’ of this crap??? I was reminded once again, as I am so often these days, how deeply, deeply fucked we are. But…. there is no fix anyway (at least not one that will garner a nice profit for those investors) so why not eat, drink and day-trade merrily, for tomorrow the ‘recovery’ tips over on its head and does a face plant. Good thing I drink or I’d have to take it up.
The voters in Greece, France and Russia this morning provide proof positive that the governed are not going to go quietly down the road their betters have mapped out for them. Here at home, there is new evidence about how much the psychological burden — and perhaps, the social stigma — of being unemployed is weighing on the minds of those out of work for long periods of time. That situation is only going to get worse, regardless of the spin the number crunchers try to put on the cold hard facts of no jobs. November is coming.
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If Krugman is a Nobel Laureate, the Nobel is a trinket they hand out at Ivy League bake sales.
As to collapse, I’m glad I live in Minneapolis, where Minnesota Nice overlays a tough as nails resoluteness to survive, and a general vibe that what we want is peace (or so I tell myself).
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The Generals at the Pentagon?? They will never rise up. Nope they have been trained to serve and obey.
I’m surprised you didn’t write about our anarchist would be bombers here in Cleveland this week. A vote for either major party is a wasted vote. I’m voting Libertarian this time [again]. After all, at least the Libertarians are on record as being opposed to public education.
Well, according to the above observations by the Mika/Met/laddie complex, I’m not being hyper-sensitive, but exactly why a supposed citizen of Israel would give a shit about a fascist lock-down of the FUSA is a little beyond me. (?)
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If you read Krugman’s blog on the Times’ site (as opposed to the NYT editorials), you can go back quite some time and see that he has referred to the aftermath of the 2008 crash as The Lesser Depression. And the Obama administration certainly would not consider him to be their cheerleader.
Not saying his viewpoints are correct… but I think arguments against him have more credence if they are accurate.
BHM,
What’s to write? Just another set-up/entrapment job for propaganda purposes, executed with marching-band precision by gum’mint toadies.
Ho-hum, ho-hum, it’s how we gull the dumb!
(Sung to the jaunty Disney dwarvish classic.)
It’s just what desperate diversionary psy-ops fuckwits DO.
;o)
orbi7er:
Show me the articles Krugman published decrying the bailouts of the auto companies as pathetic gasps of a dying empire and I will find more credibility to your post.
exactly why a supposed citizen of Israel would give a shit about a fascist lock-down of the FUSA is a little beyond me
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Why? Because we already know who the victims of the Vatican/CIA nazis were, don’t we? And all the CIA/MSM propaganda points to same happening again. I don’t believe in coincidence. The millions of thieving fat cats in Washington, D.C. and the surrounding counties are the 1%. They all belong the thieving gov mafia Vatican/CIA/military inquisition and murder complex. They are all Vatican Catholics, as I already shown to you previously via the demographics data concerning the richest counties in the US and where they are located.
And to think that Krugman is actually too realistic for the policy makers in Washington and London. That means that the people in charge are listening to people even more out of touch with reality than he is!
That written, I’m not surprised that you’re having your issues with Krugman, as the two of you belong to diametrically opposed schools of economic thought, something I take advantage of in my classes. I use you and Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms as examples of people who subscribe to ecological economics, people who not only believe that without the environment, there is no society, and without society, there is no economy, but also think the current system is unreformable and should be scrapped and remade from scratch. Krugman serves as the most environmentally realistic example of the mainstream economists, who usually discount issues of resource depletion and pollution along with the externalities they produce. Krugman will at least consider the externalities in his analyses. He’s certainly more willing to examine the detrimental effects of burning coal and other fossil fuels than, say, Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan. He also thinks the current system is at least theoretically reformable. In his view, the people are the problem, not the system itself. I guess that’s what ticks you off about him. You don’t have faith in either the system or the people running it.
Also, you mentioned the Paleo Diet. Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, last Saturday I included a news item in my sustainability linkspam about how a blogger advocating the Paleo Diet got in legal trouble with the State of North Carolina for “practicing dietetics without a license” over his writing. Yes, really. For your sake, may New York not have such a stick up its butt over such issues.
http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/
As much as Jim’s prognostications about imminent collapse or eruption to chaos each week entertain, I have reached the conclusion after five seven years of worrying about peak oil that it simply will not happen. The rules can be changed by government at will and the ability of the elite power brokers to manage the core message of “everything is good” will continue for a long, long time. You all can rest easy at night knowing your bank will be open tomorrow morning and the dollar in your wallet will be accepted by your neighborhood grocery man. Seriously the USA is still at the top of the heap militarily speaking and has the wherewithal to easily pick up the pieces and rebuild in a short amount of time should a another major financial event take place again. It’s all good!
After a quick glimpse at this weeks’ title, I thought that Jim went to the same grocery store checkout line as the one I went through. No, it wasn’t the tatted and pierced female(?) bovine-appearing human in front of me; with an order including buckets of ice cream and (who would have thunk it) cheez-doodles in the big bag. Nope. It was the lumpen proletariat magazines in the rack that made me want to “1,2,3 PUKE.” With the exception of a fetching young woman with six-pack abs and no visible tats, every single magazine had either a Kardashian family member, Beyonce or Oprah on the cover. I began choking when one of the slicks declared that Beyonce was the “World’s Most Beautiful Woman.” At this point I did upchuck slightly last evening’s lasagna. Just enough to get stuck in my throat. GAG! Truly the signs that our civilization is “in extremis.”
Getting back to the reality of Jim’s piece today – the media shills and whores will be selling the “recovery” and the virtues of hyper-capitalism even after the system collapses. Its hard to be concerned when one is basking in the Caribbean’s azure sea when cruising on a 90 ft Maritimo. The political conventions will be sealed off from any unscheduled interruptions by the great unwashed and the same ol- same ol will result. As far as some empirical economic research done over the weekend: Chinese palace rugs are being thrown out to the curb in Boca Raton. It also seems that every restaurant trying to get by (even in tony downtown Delray Beach) is putting out 1/2 price coupons to entice diners. Methinks it will be a simultaneous double feature of deflation (housing, wages, art prices) with inflation for essentials (food, energy, medicine.) A splendid piece today in any case Jim. As they say in Montreal: Nous sommes tout fuque.
It could be worse, and it was fun while it lasted. All good things must come to an end. etc…
It’s best to not get too worked up about things that are out of your control.
Make Love, Not War, Be Prepared For Both to quote the old gun store bumper sticker.
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Uhh,
So I shan’t pose the question again, as the context is “excellently misrepresented”.
Now, back to the will-o-da-people that’s being highly influenced by financial shenanigans. Hiya, Pooty, long time no see, dude! (There’s a guy over in France you might want to have a chat with when the hair-tearing dies down.)
In Krugman’s defense: long term interest rates for U.S. Bonds is a little over 1% suggesting the gov’t could borrow short term very cheaply to do Keynsian stimulus.
This is hardly world news but where I currently live, in Southern Ontario, it is as if the powers that be know what is coming and are actually doing something about it.
A huge big old warehouse down by the railway tracks disappeared overnight and a sign appeared saying that this will be the site of the new railway station (right by the exit from the highway). The railway runs parallel to the highway. I have only ever seen freight running on that railway – more precisely “heard” it – it’s a rare event.
Furthermore, the railway will run to the market up in St Jacobs with barely a nod given to the big box malls straddling the highway.
I have also noticed that the houses are built much more closely together here and neighborhoods are walkable. The neighboring farmland is intact. This is completely the opposite of Michigan across the border.
It’s like they know.
PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.
James, Are the NAZIs taking over Greece? Golden Dawn? Are the Chinese buying out America? The world is getting smaller everyday: http://youtu.be/c2gFC7-AAQM
You know, with the election of a Socialist in France, and the Left winning in Greece, and a strong Left coalition in Germany now, it looks like the Right may be on the outs with the Public.
Will wait to see how things go here tho, there could be a Right back-lash and if Mitt the Twit wins, better start practicing that Goose step.
And I have to disagree with you on Krugman, he has hardly been the Cheerleader you call him. Of course he also hasn’t been a very harsh critic of either this or the prior administration, there really isn’t one in the MSM anymore,not like back when there was a Jack Anderson, what was then called a muck-rakeing journalist. Now they are all too afraid to offend their corporate masters.
Keep it up tho, and you really should consider moderating the comments section here, it just get way too off in the Fringe…
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As you once said, James, modern economics is a cargo cult. The cultists are wondering why more ‘cargo’ is not arriving after trying both austerity and stimulus. It’s bad enough when billions of people believe in imaginary Daddies in the Sky. When billions of people believe in the cult of never ending growth it is mind boggling. We came down from the trees too soon. We’ll soon be going back.
Nicely done JHK! I was wondering what part of the ongoing collapse would focus your attention today. I suppose Sarkoszy’s defeat is as good a point of departure as any. Also, liked the bit about the “event horizon”. Keep up the good work, don’t be disuaded by the plethora of inane comments, not to mention that weird sports spam that keeps appearing.
I think current events are beyond “words.”
Paul Krugman makes his schtick up from what he reads and hears and sees just like we all do.
The problem is: “We have systems too large to understand – let alone describe or control with any real expertise.”
When we get away from discussing social structures and targeting our understanding of human nature – we may have a chance of correcting our futures into less chaotic, and hopefully less uncomfortable result.
A starting point is acknowledging that a broken/corrupted political system is never going to “correct” or “manage” any culture’s future reasonably.
Instead of participating in the system – throw a fucking wrench into it – vote for Ron Paul. He has the best chance of “dicking things up.” And his election will probably result with his vice-president finishing his term.
Now that’s change you can believe in………
Or go ahead and act like these people actually govern honestly – god help us all.
If you don’t believe Krugman then why don’t you (Kunstler) look at the data yourself. The problem you will have is that the data goes against your opinion. Now what are you going to do? Change your opinion based on the data or maintain your opinion in face of the data. For some of us that isn’t a quandary. For you, Kunstler it, apparently will be.
From reports of the imminent collapse of the fuel-cooling pond at Fukushima #4 and subsequent radiation poisoning of the northern hemisphere, we’ll be experiencing full-blown martial law before you know it, one of the outcomes of which will be the cancellation of elections.
Krugman, like pretty much all the Economists of whatever stripe, has never taken Peak Oil or Limits to Growth seriously, and thus would never argue against bailing out the Auto/Oil/Sprawl complex in the USA. James Galbraith DID publish a paper last year suggesting that economists have discounted resource limits – at least opening it to some consideration. But it appears to have made no dent in most economists (outside of Marxist materialists who have always seen this relation) thinking.
On the other hand as I mentioned above, when the USA is wasting $1 Trillion every YEAR on the costs of War, it is rather difficult to say that we are broke and have no resources to invest in a Green Transition. This point has to be repeatedly emphasized as besides Auto Addiction, it is a major elephant in the room ignored by pretty much all the Corporate media pundits, talk shows and discussions. That is a LOT of money!
Surely enough to run our existing Rails, restore parts of our 233,000 miles of Rail and even build high-speed Rail for mid to long distance travel and thus cut our oil usage by 20% in a year.
A starting point is acknowledging that a broken/corrupted political system is never going to “correct” or “manage” any culture’s future reasonably.
Instead of participating in the system – throw a fucking wrench into it – vote for Ron Paul.
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Well said, Bud.
In 2009, the most scary explanation of our predicament was a 1 hour description by Krugman, basically explaining that the academics (Bernanke)people who had thought of all the things to try were in charge and they tried everything and nothing worked. He implied 4 years ago that nothing was going to work to fix our problem and he didn’t really know what to ‘fix’ it either. AND he said this was much worse than anything before….
http://fora.tv/2009/01/29/Paul_Krugman_The_Global_Economy
Not trying to say he is right….just that hasn’t been saying that everythings is A-OK,
A few words about the “generals” that JHK writes of, they are political appointees. One of the tests for loyalty they must pass requires the trip to Israel, and from that they are allowed to join one of two camps. The first and this is where the Air Force is today is the Rapture camp which people will tell you at Daily Kos is bad. The second camp is basic Davos Man and acceptable to the Reform jew narrative of the enightened elite guiding the dumb brutes to peaceful commerce, to Kossaks this is good. (Wesley Clark is a famous example of this kind of general as was the scots-irish looking general who Obama rightly fired)
Its the colonels you must worry about, if you must worry. The “generals” are as useless as the great Stan Kubrick portrayed them in “Strangelove.”
European leadership seems to be changing before the hard choices have even been made. Socialists are replacing moderates before any moderation of government spending has been enacted. Pulling in the old belt was never even tried.
What follows? Once socialist leaders heap more spending of money they do not have on top of spending of money they DID not have, a lovely group of fascists will step forward to be embraced.
This will not end nicely.
Message to Assoka,
I gave you a platform to show us your true colors and once again it isn’t pretty.
Your reply to my challenge to tell us what you would have done had you been in Harry-the buck-stops-here-Houdidi’s shoes in 1945 was to once again cast aspersions on an entire race of people. Ugly, disturbing racism.
The reason for my vociferousness should be obvious but in case it isn’t: your stock in trade, fuckweed, is stupidness.
Why stupidness? Because stupidness is effective, it appeals to the worst in people – sloth, laziness, hate, malice (and other things).
In your case the reasoning in your posts shows laziness, it appeals to the laziness in people, your conclusions being shallow and simplistic, requiring the minimal exertions of the lethargic, lazy mind. And your motives? Hate and malice apparently.
Why you hate is unknown to me but I don’t buy your story about being an elderly black man that grew up under Jim Crow.
The stupidness you propound is not much different than the fashionable stupidness I saw and heard decades ago when I lived on campus, it hasn’t changed much over the years because the young ‘uns in our family in universities in Israel and Europe and North America are hearing the same old stupidness.
To paraphrase Churchill stupidness gets halfway around the world before reason has a chance to get its pants on. If it was just stupidness that’s one thing. But stupidness has evil as its companion. I shouldn’t have to elaborate but I’ll give one example: the Nazis adoption of the final solution to the Jewish “problem”. Stupidness and evil walking hand in hand.
We have history as a guide to show us where your brand of facile stupidness goes fuckweed.
Arranging deck chairs on the Titanic is for naught. The rip along the sides is letting in water and has been since 1985 the year humans stopped living of the earth’s interest and began to squander the Earth’s capital. Nobody in power gets it, growth in the conventional sense has been impossible for years and if they know this they won’t talk about it.
Close your eyes and imagine what sort of world you would like to see in a hundred years. Open them and see that everyone around you is totally clueless about how to make the world you imagine happen. Everywhere politicians attempt to remodel home economies built on bad foundations. Growth growth growth is all they can imagine to fix the leaking roof when growth growth growth is what has caused problems we have now in the first place. Solutions are known but are ignored when spoken.
Barack quObama and Willard “Mitt” the “Twitt” Romney have no intention of fundamentally changing the way things get done. But changing the game is the only way to put things right. Sustainability is the answer but it is only possible if there is dedication to full employment with a determined effort to forge a society founded on equality and shared sacrifice. Truth in all things government is essential to move forward in any positive way but no republicrat is going to embrace that.
Lively mobs of furious citizens hurling objurgations will be to no avail and will hardly make the news. Telling truth to power will be a waste of time told to men dedicated only to increasing their own personal fortunes and political capital. We need leaders who see the sparrow as it falls and not those who worship birds of prey. Let them stand up, now is the time. Men who care to leave the land in better shape than they found it stand up for that must be the new definition of growth. Growth in the conventional sense now means death.
“A starting point is acknowledging that a broken/corrupted political system is never going to “correct” or “manage” any culture’s future reasonably.
Instead of participating in the system – throw a fucking wrench into it – vote for”
k-dog
correction: Harry-the buck-stops-here-Houdidi… should read “Houdini”
Full marks for rhetoric, but sadly out of touch with real world economics. For a more coherent account of Europe’s troubles from a Modern Monetary Theorist, see Billy Mitchell’s presentation here: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=19247
MMT has the distinction of actually predicting the bust following the bubble (a bigger one than preceded 1929), unlike Krugman and the neo-classical economists.
…and to really make Kunstler’s head explode, take a look at Amory Lovins TED talk here: http://www.ted.com/talks/amory_lovins_a_50_year_plan_for_energy.html
What’s so amusing/sobering/frightening/infuriating (take your pick) about that Krugman quote is it gets at the heart of our problem with dealing with our predicament–that growth is still the end game. When the only outcome you accept as a good one is growth, then you get to claim that cutting government spending is supposed to boost consumer spending, or that the government spending more imaginary money will cause everyone else to spend more imaginary money, or so on and so forth. Everyone’s looking for the actions that will return us to the economic growth we think is normal when nothing’s going to do the trick. That boat sailed.
So this leaves economists, politicians and a good percentage of the population sounding like desperate schizophrenics. We can’t imagine creating a new goal: scaling back, reducing our standards of living, reducing income inequality so as to ease this transition, and working on building new economic standards that can function in a contracting world, even if they don’t give us everything we want. Even with such a policy, we’d still be looking at a good amount of pain as our energy and resources fall short, but at least we wouldn’t be actively exasperating the situation.
But since no one can seem to get away from the idea of economic growth, we’re doomed to just flailing about as natural limits kick our asses farther and farther down the path of no return. This, again, is a reason not to listen to many of our experts. Their expertise is some of the most dangerous stuff out there at the moment.
Joel
“I have reached the conclusion after five seven years of worrying about peak oil that it simply will not happen. The rules can be changed by government at will and the ability of the elite power brokers to manage the core message of “everything is good” will continue for a long, long time.”
Did you ever hear about this thing called gravity? I think that’s an example of a rule that can’t be changed.
Very good discussion this morning..
There is a huge ball of tangles to unravel. We know how fascists are made. We know how the dupes are trained. And we know who trains them and has been training them for decades centuries millennias. All is already known and understood. Yes, the enormity of the action necessary to transform the conditions of thousands of years of human slavery can be overwhelming. But as they say, and this is also in reply to TEETEE, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. We need to take that psychological first step and direct our will towards dissolving the feudal fascist system that’s been foisted on us all.
Neither severe austerity or Keynesian economics are going to work because the top 1% aren’t going to play along. They want more austerity for everyone BUT themselves. For themselves they want MORE TAX BREAKS, enough so all the infrastructure falls apart, all the schools and hospitals collapse, and only the military remains (under their control) to stop the rest of us from rioting, revolting etc. Krugman says the economic system isn’t the problem and suggests it can be fixed. And he’s right but the obvious fix means taxing the top 1% a lot MORE. And the 1% has already bought off all of Congress, the Supreme Court (remember Citizens United), the District Attorneys, etc. so good luck shaking those creeps down.
The whole economic system will not be torn down either because it benefits the top 1%. No way are they going to stop doing what is making them progressively richer and richer even in this “Lesser Depression.” And they don’t give a damn if you can’t make your mortgage payment, lost your health insurance and your job. They want you dead. Seriously, if you don’t have a job, if you’re old, if you’re handicapped, if you aren’t producing something that makes them richer, you might as well drop dead. You have no purpose other than to make the top 1% lives even better. And the top 1% will never ever have enough. Ever.
Imagine if it were WWII and the current top 1% were in charge. They would refuse to fund the Manhattan Project because taxes would be required to fund the project. War profiteering is hugely profitable. And the Manhattan Project is nothing but Socialism (which thanks to Fox News is now a dirty word). What we need to do is CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION. Make it popular to help your community, your town, your state. Hands on stuff like cleaning up the parkways, painting school buildings, etc. Excess wealth is something to be ashamed of, if you’re Christian, and should be looked down upon as GREED, a sin. Vulture capitalism is evil. Owning so many homes you can’t remember the number is gloating and base. Helping your fellow man and this Earth should be something held in high esteem.
We don’t need to change the economic system, we need to change the mindset. Jesus, Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln should be the heroes, not Gordon Gecko.
My best guess is The Generals will be busy with the outside forces, now planning their arrival. And doing so with a lot less support from the political, and/or the citizens of this bankrupt country of hollow victors, who only insist in repeating in celebration the Boar’s Head Carol in a stupefied chant. Such bafoons this artificial system has spawned.
I believe there is around or about 54 Trillion Dollars (of what) of funds available yet, owned by various investment schemes. That is enough to cover the debts and unfunded obligations of the government, but still won’t account for the dwindlong fiat served up by the Federal Reserve. It is now a race to get your investments to safety – of various means – to support yourself on a local level.
“But since no one can seem to get away from the idea of economic growth, we’re doomed to just flailing about as natural limits kick our asses farther and farther down the path of no return. This, again, is a reason not to listen to many of our experts. Their expertise is some of the most dangerous stuff out there at the moment.”
-Joel
Good comment, Joel, and I would agree.
Interesting how most “experts” happen to be self-professed, or come out of “vetted” think-tanks, or are properly credentialed by the proper universities.
Yep, it’s self-perpetuated expertise that always glosses over the most obvious predicaments with pronouncements of, “It’s complicated, let us experts take care of the thinking stuff. You lumpen dummies just kick back in the recliner; us smart guys will handle everything. It’s All Good!”
Amory Lovins is a cornicopian dreamer.
Amory Lovins is a cornucopian shill.
Mornin’ Rhino. Thanks for waking me up and calling me out to play.
Let’s look at what white Europe (Russians, Germans, etc.) did in the 20th century versus what brown South Americans did.
The white Europeans were not lazy. They were industrious and rational. They killed millions, efficiently, as a result of planning.
The brown South Americans (my neighbors) were taking their siestas, eating their papaya, and enjoying life in a hammock (they still do today).
When the white people in charge of the planet are hard working, rational, and industrious… the “best and brightest” and the “greatest generation” and the “masters of the universe” types, the planet suffers more and millions die.
I embrace laziness. The planet is better off with lazy horticulture.
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MESSAGE TO RHINO:
Thanks for coming out to play, Rhino. When you post you can call me names all you want. It must have some therapeutic value for you.
But you cannot engender that same behaviour in me. I retain my freedom to respond to you in a civilized and dignified manner. No one can force me to lower my standards.
I will reply to you respectfully, and not in an ad hominem way … if I can overcome my laziness.
This hammock is comfortable and the daily sunbath and birdsong and fresh fruits are divine.
Mornin’ Met, “It’s .40 caliber ammunition, hollow point rounds that promise “optimum penetration for terminal performance.” The department also has a bid out for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammunition.”
Hollow points do not provide optimal penetration they do have good stoppong power though. consider this. If you think good ol’ home grown boys will fire on their neighbors I believe you to be mistaken. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread173251/pg3
I figure they will run way short of ammo before the huddled masses are tamed. I can easily muster a half dozen pitch forks dipped in dog shit and I will never run out of ammo. I have a coupla dogs!{wink,wink}Just sayin’ Dammit! now the NSA is on my trail again!
“It’s complicated, let us experts take care of the thinking stuff. You lumpen dummies just kick back in the recliner; us smart guys will handle everything.” – Ozone
The business world and Wall Street judges things and people by results. Ha! Lehman gone. Citi, Bear, Merrill, AIG barely twitching corpses on life support.
Who can forget the striding, smiling, supremely confident Greenspan, the tool of Wall Street and wizard that gave us the great “moderation”. And his fellow ideologues Rubin and Summers and their bearded fartboy Bernanke.
I agree, OFTHEHANDS made a great post, the truth is finally spoken:
“We can’t imagine creating a new goal: scaling back, reducing our standards of living, reducing income inequality so as to ease this transition, and working on building new economic standards that can function in a contracting world, even if they don’t give us everything we want. Even with such a policy, we’d still be looking at a good amount of pain as our energy and resources fall short, but at least we wouldn’t be actively exasperating the situation.”
The italics are mine, this is fundamental to creating a sustainable future.
“And they don’t give a damn if you can’t make your mortgage payment, lost your health insurance and your job. They want you dead. ”
How is one, aside from a funeral director, supposed to profit from the dead? Makes no sense. Back to drawing board.
Thanks, Ozone. I certainly don’t argue that there aren’t smart, educated and wise people out there that we should learn from, but I hate what expertise seems to have become in our society. It’s rooted, more often than not, in clique-ish behavior, technical jargon, condescension and dismissal. It’s usually a slave to scientific reductionism and tends to believe that every place is the same, every person is the same, variables are evil–and nonexistent, ideally–and that there’s no such thing as local knowledge and wisdom.
I guess, in other words, I hate the expertise that has modeled itself on industrialism, which seems to be the majority of expertise these days.
Joel
My best guess is The Generals will be busy with the outside forces, now planning their arrival.
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The military is a giant waste of money, a socialist waste of money, with taxpayers forced to pay for it.
I can’t worry too much about the generals, or the colonels. Has anyone noticed they have a long string of losing in recent military engagements?
After ten years in Afghanistan, the Taliban are stronger than ever, and the USA is abandoning an US$80 million embassy (more taxpayer money wasted) because our glorious military is incapable of either providing security or eliminating the Taliban threat.
Eisenhower was right. Every dollar spent on the military is theft.
Mr. Kunstler, you really need to work on understanding economics, monetary systems, and government finance the way you did urban planning. Your assessment of government finance is stuck at the same level as the Tea Party, other right-wingers and MSM. Repeat after me: “government debt is absolutely nothing like household debt.” Government debt really is more like water to fish than a checkbook. The same goes for a lot of organizations bigger than a mom and pop corner store.
Yes, in the end there is a net result, and it’s based on the nation’s productivity, although the borders of what counts as “the nation’s productivity” are a little fuzzy. Yes, at some point, activity will be so limited by resource depletion that those chickens will come home to roost. But that’s not now, and not for a little while yet.
Meanwhile, we have the elites gorging themselves on cash, government directing resources to things like wars that are the opposite of productive, and giant corporations who sort of combine the two.
In other words, we aren’t done quite yet. It only feels like it, because resources are directed in such an insane way. This is what the 99 percent movement’s really about. Any Econ 101 course starts with the statement “an economic system is simply a way of allocating finite resources in the face of infinite wants.” Trust me on this, from participating in things like Boys’ State in High School, and getting Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees with strong economics components, I’ve heard that lecture four or five times. The 99 percent of us (maybe even 99.9) who do productive work, or would really like to, and yet see our share dwindle year by year have picked up on the fact that the system is simply not working the way almost everybody would like. It worked fairly well in the US up until the late ’60s and early ’70s, when our economy did mostly productive work and there was enough work, rewarded close enough to fair. The FIRE economy that developed when productive activity ran short, spread around just enough to keep enough people happy. Now, the elites have given up on the pretense of spreading it around, and the only response available to people is protesting in the streets.
Before we really, really run out of resources, we need to find some way to re-assess how we allocate those resources. Giving the most to those who juggle numbers, lie, cheat, and steal is obviously not working, especially when they feel no obligation to spread it around. We should tax that line of “work” into oblivion. The flip side of that is figuring out mechanisms to get fair rewards to ordinary people. Frankly, the incessant drive to efficiency means society really doesn’t actually need the number of employees that would make for a healthy economy, compensated by traditional means. There’s a lot that does need to be done, but many of those lines of work – small farmers are a great example – have been so devalued that nobody could survive that way. I don’t know what the solution is, and I doubt the 99 percent movement does either, but until more people assess the situation the way it actually works, we don’t have a prayer.
Equality? Can you explain that – since men aren’t born equal? And since it isn’t natural, Equality is something that must be imposed by force by people who are more equal than others.
We await your explanation with bated breath.
“Mr. Kunstler, you really need to work on understanding economics, monetary systems, and government finance the way you did urban planning. ”
Q: How can one understand urban planning if they do not understand “economics, monetary systems, and government finance”?
A: They cannot.
Don’t act so mystified. CCM989 made a lot of sense. In answer to your question they want you dead because if your not making money for them your taking money out of their pockets by being on the dole or having the audacity to get sick and burden the medical system. The uber rich only care about themselves and don’t give a shit about taking care of the planet or anyone else. Their attitude is that they can buy their way out of any predicament.
Not to mention, K-Dog, it’s fundamental to the wealthy keeping their lives, if they should be lucky enough to do so. If we’re going to go through some serious nature-imposed austerity measures–which I think we are–then attempting to maintain the current levels of income inequality will inevitably lead to some serious French Revolution moments for the political and economic elites.
You can only allow the general population to get so poor while pooh-poohing their concerns, completely oblivious to economic pain, before mobs start to form. We’re not there yet and it may yet take longer than many here expect, but it’ll happen if some of the people in power don’t eventually wake up to the dangerous game they’re playing.
Joel
Top of the mornin to you too. Though you got to stop with the flatulence. Seriously.
You are right men are not born equal. Your existence proves it. If somebody could lift up the top of your skull and see what is inside they would turn to stone in revulsion. You can wait all day.
“In answer to your question they want you dead because if your not making money for them your taking money out of their pockets by being on the dole or having the audacity to get sick and burden the medical system.”
Not a problem. I still need to eat. I need clothes, shelter and healthcare… even if I produce nothing. Someone will pay for that whether I do or not. Those providing food, clothes shelter and healthcare will get their checks. Just not from me.
You think Mitt is a Nazi? And you think Obama is a Leftist Peacenik too, right? That’s why he ordered drone strikes within the first two weeks of his term. Obama continued all of Bush’s policies at home and abroad. Why not since he was funded by the same people…
Someone isn’t getting it. You are very far out on the fringe here, Dee. Have you renounced your US Citizenship yet? Please do so without delay.
Whoever said “Stupidity and Evil walk hand in hand” is correct and both seem to be ascendant right now. The obsession with celebrity life is a form of mental illness that involves living vicariously thru others and holding firm opinions about each one of them while ignoring your own situation and that of your country.
The technology for running a perfect totalitarian regime has now been perfected (mostly by us). Track everyone by phone use, encourage them to reveal all personal data on “social” sites, deploy unmanned drones abroad and at home. Develop an internal quasi-military force to search them when they travel, suggest they turn each other in for suspicous behavior. Spend billions on surveillance cameras, jet boats and helicopters. Justify it all by calling it a war on terror and never admit there has been a noticeable lack of such plots, except for the ones we have dreamed up ourselves.
All just in time for a new King to be “elected” based on going backwards to the “good old days”. Wait for this to be enforced by the new SS with American flags on their shoulders.
Equality? Can you explain that
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Yes. Equal opportunity to live in freedom, and not be subjected to your fascist vatican tyranny.
Again this too is classic Communism. Those who oppose the Revolution are sick and have to be shot in the head or put in Institutions – Camps or Mental Hospitals.
Dude, you’re a cliche.
Krugman is a cheerleader for the Obama administration? That would come as news to them. They consider him their chief antagonist on the left (though they don’t get around much in left precincts; if they did they would find many more severe critics).
JHK says the US is out of money. Is he aware that this is a sovereign nation that can mint its own currency? It doesn’t need to go borrowing money, though it chooses to play in the absurd framework set up by the banksters. The austerians say the reason not to create more money is because it will be inflationary, but the danger currently, according to JHK, is a “vortex of massive deflation.” This despite endless warnings from the austerians over the past four years that inflation is imminent.
Look at the US economy this way: Well over 25 percent of the population is unemployed or underemployed, and would like to work more. There are any number of big jobs that need doing, starting with infrastructure repair and new mass transportation. But the would-be workers can’t go forward with these projects for lack of something called money, which the US government can create as it sees fit. Something is very wrong with this picture.
Racism, fuckweed, is not civilized.
The hate and malice that you propagate using shallow, simplistic stupidness as your tool is antithetical to civilization and civilized behavior.
I note, fuckweed, that you sidestep various questions and challenges with a dreary repetition of the same old brain dead, decades old talking points. That’s all you offer. Stupidness as a tool does have its limitations doesn’t it?
I’ve been hearing your brand of stupidness for SOOOO many years from people that ironically and invariably present themselves as cultured sophisticates. Generally unbearable and insufferable and not hard to see through. Have a great day fuckweed.
Kunstler doesn’t have the capability to go toe-to-toe with Krugman in a economics forum so he has to resort to lame silly-puddy “refutations” such as the following:
Moreover, Krugman has been making inferences regarding a depression for a number of years now and it is not a “new thing for him to admit” as Kunstler asserts.
But no matter, as long as bombastic buffoons and silly sycophants such as Ozone are waving the Clusterfuck pom-poms who really needs to give a shit about the facts.
The more equal a society is the happier it is and the more trust it has. This is not my opinion, it is a fact which has been born out by scientific studies. The essential cause of this demonstrable fact is that humans are the most social of all creatures and in a bad society we wither away and in a good society we flourish. To become a sustainable society in which we all benefit a drive for equality must be made. We are at this time in a situation which has parallels to the conditions in France at the time of their revolution. At that time overpopulation and economic conditions had created a miserable situation in which the established system which had been in place for a thousand years was unable to cope with. Instead of dealing with their problems the aristocracy attempted business as usual ignoring the peoples concerns. ‘Let them eat cake’ was not the answer and we know what happened when the people were ignored.
Say if you leveled everything and everyone as Kdog wants. Would it still be equal in 50 years? Or even 5? Some would blow everything in a heartbeat. Rodney King get a couple of million in a settlement. It was gone in a year. Someone else would make that last for the rest of their life, passing a hefty sum onto their children. A few could use that sum as a seed and multiply it many times.
You said you did as much yourself. Would you really want the Kdogs of the world sniffing into your portfolio? Or stopping you from passing it onto your children as per the Communist Manifesto?
“leveled everything and everyone as Kdog wants”
I NEVER SAID THAT AND THAT’S NOT WHAT I WANT !!!
FOAD you FPOS.
So you think the French Revolution was great? And that it didn’t just form a new hierarchy? How not since Man is a Hierarchy creating being?
After his parents, the King and Queen, had been executed, the last King of France was kept naked in a cold dark room. He was made to sing filthy songs about his parents. He finally died in torment. One of the Faithful kept his heart which was put to rest a few years ago by the Church.
Keep talking – you reveal yourself more and more.
This is not to say the poor had no just complaints or that the Aristocracy was wise in turning a deaf ear. Obviously not. But the Revolution itself was not the work of peasants with pitchforks. But in fact, it was organized at the highest levels by Intellectuals who were well funded. By whom? Lower level aritocrats who wanted to better themselves by becoming Capitalist Robber Barons as had happened in England. And they were probably being assisted with funding from the same in England. They would have set up a different kind of hierarchy – even as Marx himself admitted. The ultimate non hierarchical state is a chimera of course. It doesn’t accord with human nature. Women wont breed with Alan Aldas unless they’re Alan Alda – hypocrites in other words.
Don’t curse me because you failed to communicate clearly. What do you want then? You said you want “equality”. I did ask you to explain and you indignantly refused to do so.
It’s time you published a prospectus or manifesto.
A lot of disgusting things happened at the time of the French revolution. You would have fit right in.
Timely reality check this bit on Mondays JHK, sets my head straight to stay mindful of the folly I know I;ll encounter for the rest of the week.
Maybe it’s my mood but uncommonly good comments thus far as well, the first 50 or so anyway, at least before they devolve into the usual cross-talk chat session.
I can’t speak for K-Dog but I’ll give it a shot. Put yourself in the shoes of a man who let’s say was born black in a society that is predominantly white, where mostly white people make the rules and hold the cards. If you were this black man would you want a fair chance at life in the country where you were born, where your ancestors had lived for centuries?
For a moment put aside your notions about racial beauty, superiority/inferiority. What this is about is the individual, the single solitary man and his prospects in this society. You yourself said that individuals regardless of race vary widely in ability. Should this black man be given a chance to make his way on his own merits and be judged acoording to the contents of his character rather than the color of his skin (to rip off the words of a famous man)? Maybe this is where KDog is coming from with his notion of equality.
Admit it Vlad when you look into the eyes of a black man, what you see looking back at you is a man.
Stupidness as a tool does have its limitations doesn’t it?
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I HAVE NEVER SEEN STUPIDITY AS AN INSUPERABLE OBSTACLE. Through jujitsu (weaponless self-defense) I have used stupidity to my advantage for the last seven decades.
I managed to survive in the stupid capitalist system I was born into without ever going on the public dole.
I thrived in the stupid public education system by reading on my own and visiting public libraries often.
I avoided the stupid USA military and did not allow them to “basic train” me into stupidly killing others.
I refused to participate in the stupid consumerist society and became impervious to its stupid advertising strategies.
I left the stupid church with its stupid strategies of fear and guilt, and at age 18 I discovered aids for spiritual growth in traditions the world over that serve me still today.
I slipped out of the stupid non-sustainable, polluting, carbon-based agricultural system into a comfortable hammock to live a zero-emission permaculture lifestyle.
I am happy. I guess stupidity is bliss.
God bless, you Rhino, and thanks, once again, for your invitations which give me a platform to share my stupidity with others through . Keep ’em coming!
Taxing capital gains at a rate equal to income tax would be a good start. Tax rich people at a higher rate than the poor. Push for equality so as to establish a meritocracy. Impose tariffs to correct oversees job flight. Dissolve corporate charters of corporations which do not operate in the public good. Reward sustainable investment. Many passive controls exist to push for equality without resorting to ‘leveling’.
As for publishing a prospectus or manifesto maybe I will maybe I won’t, but your not the boss of me. You have a way of thinking you can tell other people what to do which through the weeks and months I have come to find offensive. You seem to expect others to play fair when you have no intention of doing so.
And now I’ve given you far to much of my time today.
Regarding the railway references:
Some seeing JHK’s books and blog have noted the railway tool mentioned time after time.
Specific railway corridors in operation need upgrading and added track capacity. Several hundred strategic (agricultural and essential manufacturing enroute) dormant rail branch lines must be returned to operating status ASAP.
Certainly there are individuals, maybe students, maybe retired people with knowledge of rail corridor in their locale that would be needed if trucking falters. American Short Line Regional Railroad Association (ASLRRA) is the place to discuss particular corridors with aim of rehab.
Recommissioned US Army/Guard rail logistics units are the -in extremis- assets needed to follow through with the railway upgrades required, on the scale needed. Local rail (regional) maps of US rail lines past & present can be obtained from spv.co.uk (Mike Walker).
Mitt Romney is well aware of long-time LDS association with the Union Pacific; see “Under The Prophet In Utah” by Senator Frank J. Cannon. Romney might well be the US “Railway President” if only he can relate the Mormons Cache mentality with the need to rebuild America’s “Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform” -the railway matrix as seen in the first half of the 20th Century, when America was a lending not a borrowing nation, and energy independent… Warren, can you help the Mitt?
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God bless you, Rhino, and thanks, once again, for your invitations. You give me a platform to share my stupidity with others. Keep ’em coming!
All men should be given a chance to make their way on their own merits and be judged acoording to the content of their character. We should be given the chance to work together and build a sustainable future. As things are now that chance is not an option.
Thank you.
Say if you leveled everything and everyone as Kdog wants. Would it still be equal in 50 years?
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You’re conflating equality of opportunity to live free of slavery and tyranny with absolute equality which is absurd since we are all unique individuals.
Btw, Vlad, I have an interesting anecdote for you:
I was watching an Israeli game show the other day, called “1 vs 100”. The first contestant was a recent emigre to Israel. A blonde bombshell with legs to die for, money, and is a relative of the Clintons via Chelsea’s recent marriage. She started well, but in the end lost and left the game with nothing. The second contestant was a black Israeli sabra of Ethiopian decent. Needles to say, Dvora (the black girl’s name), did well and won the game by deciding that she doesn’t need to win a million and ended the game while she was ahead. Drova is engaged to a Swiss national and after the game will be flying to meet his family in Switzerland. Little Dvora did all this in one generation, coming from complete economic destitution. So no, we are not all created equal, but we all deserve equal opportunity to live life to its fullest.
Here’s the link to that show episode:
– http://youtu.be/62honSlN54c
Do your neighbors know about how you feel about Zimmerman? And that you are a Black Supremacist?
The push for equality is destroying meritocracy via affirmative action. But I do think we should protect the middle class so perhaps we have that much in common. Not sure though since you refuse to talk about what you really believe. And then accuse me of being unfair for asking…
“You’re conflating equality of opportunity to live free of slavery and tyranny with absolute equality which is absurd since we are all unique individuals.”
That’s exactly right.
Is there affirmative action? If not, I have no problem. You’re trying to make me sound like Kdog – the very person I’m trying to debate.
As ever, you are a twister of words with an agenda you aren’t willing to admit.
THIS IS HUGE JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-imperial-will-our-linguistic-straightjacket/
kulturCritic
When your blog first introduced me to peak oil back in 2006 I was fascinated. Yesterday I read an article in Energy and Capital that said Saudi Arabia has failed to take up the slack of oil supply caused by Iran, and that they could well be net importers within the next few months! WTF?
The politics are a true Clusterfuck now, globally. And just wait til the Crazy Christians have at it.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-imperial-will-our-linguistic-straightjacket/
kC
As long as you refuse to confront the Jews, the people wont trust you. Who controls Wall Street genius?
Stalin grew tired of their plotting despite their huge role in the Revolution. He came to realize that they had done it as an act of revenge, not out of love for Justice or the People.
“Tax rich people at a higher rate than the poor.”
Why? If the rate is 10% of income, the “rich” will still pay more. Why must the rate be higher?
Speaking of things heating up, did you see that the Japanese have turned off all the lights on nuclear plants.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-imperial-will-our-linguistic-straightjacket/
All men should be given a chance to make their way on their own merits and be judged acoording to the content of their character. We should be given the chance to work together and build a sustainable future. As things are now that chance is not an option.
C,mon, K-dog, cut the pessimism, and the sexism. “All men…” Women hold up half the sky.
What is this “be given” stuff? As my boy scout troop leader said: “You get out of life what you put into it”
We don’t need to “be given” a “chance.” We just make it happen. I was not given a chance. I was given a religious conditioning, a white racist social conditioning that told me I am stupid, a dysfunctional family conditioning, etc.
It was evil conditioning, but I did not resist it. I just slipped out of it, with the help of Osho, using meditation to deprogram myself.
I’m sure glad my cultural/ scientific / environmental / spiritual heroes, like Vandana Shiva, didn’t wait to “be given” a “chance.”
http://www.thegreeninterview.com/vandana-shiva-bio
Be the change you want to see. — Gandhi
It is possible, even for the most downtrodden. And it sure beats complaining about stupidity.
Once again, fuckweed, you sidestep challenges and questions with more facile stupidness.
I frankly don’t give a fuck about how you survived or didn’t survive in this capilalist system, I don’t give a fuck about your church or religiosity or lack thereof or your military record.
What I give a fuck about is your distortions – using this well worn tool of simplistic stupidness – of the historical record, to spread hate.
Give you a platform fuckweed? Didn’t it didn’t occur to you that YOU give ME a platform?
And your prim and proper protestations about ad hominem attacks make me laugh. Lower YOUR standards? YOU? What standards?
Do tell, we can’t wait.
” And just wait til the Crazy Christians have at it.”
This of course as opposed to those rational Jihadists?
And perhaps the Generals were not tuned in to Vova Putin’s remarks here in mother Russia today.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-imperial-will-our-linguistic-straightjacket/
Is there affirmative action?
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Yes, there is. The Ethiopian immigrants to Israel receive better subsidy terms from the Israeli government versus the Russian immigrants and others. Everyone agreed that that was best for all involved, given that the Ethiopians have to start from absolute zero.
Mistified, I will trade you two crazy christians for one drunken jihadist. LOL
jihadists don’t drink.
White Men have been ruthlessly persecuted for decades now. Affirmative Action is Tyranny. The Elite love it: divide and conquer. And not just race but “gender” as well. Norway mandates Corporation have at least 40% Female Exectutives.
Communism just relaces one Elite with another. I prefer to be lead by Men of my own Race and Culture. Why you have a problem with this or don’t want it is the Mystery. Read Huxley’s “Brave New World” – that’s where we’re going unless Peak Oil stops us. Thank God for Peak Oil.
Sweden allows women to decide intercourse was rape days after the fact. Also prostitution is legal – but not the purchase of it! All these policies keep men away from women and out of marriage – and thus lower the population. And the men who must marry, go to the third world to do so – thus weakening the White Race. All of this serves the Elite – as do sentimentalists like yourself. C’mon, talk about Nazis some more!
Ah, I called it last week then. Israel is a Western Nation going the way of the West.
Jews love to talk about their contribution to Western Culture – and rightly btw. But they seldom contemplate how much we have changed them -both for the better but in this case, for the worse.
When a Black achieves something, you credit him/her. When they screw up or beat someone up, you blame Whites or the environment – Whites again. All very familiar Mika – we’ve been on that hamster wheel for generations over here.
Again – why does anyone discuss the “economy” without at least qualifying the other obvious aspects of our political system that make enormous centralized systems impossible to understand?
How many of those posting here at Clusterfuck really think that anyone knows for sure just what the “economy” [whatever the fuck that means] is doing?
Our government was never supposed to manage “jobs” or “growth.” What is was supposed to do was provide for the common welfare – which I suppose means keep markets free and commerce conducted honestly.
Oh we had a workable system at one time – but after so much success we forgot to tune and adjust it for the times at hand. And everyone in power is making sure you never remember otherwise.
Women hold up half the sky. – Fuckweed
Yes, fuckweed, we know. Stop distorting the clear meaning and intent of other people’s commentary. We know damn well where KDog was coming from. And so do you.
you sidestep challenges and questions with more facile stupidness
Of course my stupidity is facile!
Things are simple. Life is simple. There is no need to complicate life. It just flows along and it is so beautiful.
Rhino, the world is as you are. It is complicated if you are complicated. It is very simple if you are simple. I speak from my own experience.
In other words you are the world. Mind makes everything complicated. Even the simplest thing
becomes complicated for the simple reason that mind’s function is to fight against complexities and win over lands which it itself has projected.
But for the heart, everything is simple. It simply takes the world as it is. And if you go a little deeper, into your being, even the word “simplicity” is too complicated.
Things are as they are. And in this experience existence becomes your home — not a struggle to solve problems, not a turmoil of emotions, but a place to rest and relax and let things be as they are.
Thanks for giving me another opportunity to respond to your name calling, your insults, and your ad hominem attack, without lowering my standards, without responding in kind. Thanks for the platform you are giving me. I am large. I contain multitudes and embrace everything. God bless you, Rhino.
Oh we had a workable system at one time
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Yes, I remember the 1950’s under Eisenhower.
The system was working with a 92 percent marginal income tax rate for top earners and the country was not in debt.
Now we have cut taxes on the rich. So, of course, the rich avoid paying taxes (like Romney hiding money offshore in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland).
And now we have a huge national debt.
Vlad, As a teacher told us when I was a little feller, the individual life, in our tradition, is invaluable and irreplaceable. And she told us that to Big G the life of the ordinary man is as important as the life of the prince.
So what the exercise is about in this society and in the western world in general is the value of the individual. Regardless of race. IMO that is. Lord knows, we’ve done this very badly. A lot of folks were severely crapped on, black people not least.
I worry more about what’s in the person’s heart and mind. You say I’m sentimental. I don’t think so. I think Vlad that you’re not being fair or practical. As I said before, look into the eyes of a black man. What do you see?
So you reject Johnson’s Great Society and his call for Equality of Outcomes as opposed to Mika’s(!) call for Equality of Opporutunity?
asoka:
Your comment makes no sense. US govt spending is a bigger part of GDP than in the 50s. So obviously with higher tax rates then, there was way more tax avoidance than there is today. The system “worked” only in the sense that nearly anyone potentially subject to Draconian tax rates had plenty of loopholes to avoid them.
Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget. He had a balanced budget in 1956 and 1957.
We need to get back to the 92% marginal income tax rate for the 1%, really for anyone earning more than one million dollars a year. Cutting taxes on the rich has been a disaster. Trickle down never happened. More theft happened.
The rich are not “job creators.” They are tax cheats, tax avoiders. Like Romney the rich are anti-American, shutting down factories and shipping them overseas, then keeping the profits protected off-shore in secret accounts.
So that society will be more equal and just. So that income disparity does not become so great that a small minority decides what is right for all. So that those not born into wealth and privilege have more of a chance to contribute their natural gifts to society. So that all members of society have longer lifespans and happier more meaningful lives. Because maturity understands the earth is a place of finite resources from which one can’t take from indiscriminately without consequences. Because we are our brothers keeper. Because those who are rich can afford it while others can’t. Because taxes on the poor impacts their ability to satisfy vital needs while taxes on the rich do not affect their ability to satisfy vital needs. So that the world can be made sustainable which under a system where there great economic disparity is impossible.
Contrary to the contemporary value there is such a thing as having enough.
We’ve reached a juncture in American socio-economic-political history where insouciance is the necessary ingredient to ward off the debilitating mental states of fear, anxiety and pessimism.
A good support for maintaing that insouciant or “devil may care” attitude would be a little farm with a well, some solar and wind energy sources, and the ability to produce a decent amount of meat, eggs and vegetable and fruit for personal consumption and sale. If you could form such a farmette with a group of people so you have a community, you’d have a better level of security and survival potential.
They are going to destroy this economy and country. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
GFY Asoka, everyone who comes here frequently knows I hold women in equal esteem to men. When I say ‘men’ I include women. Your playing games as usual, just like your second self.
Yes Blacks are people, dumb people for the most part. Dumb entitled people who have been put over productive Whites by a vicious Elite. Dumb, Entitled people who have been taught by people like you that Whites have oppressed them and kept them from greatness. And the result? Growing mob violence against Whites. Thanks alot.
Of course there are smart Blacks – and they support the oppression of Whites and are outraged their dispossesion is not being effected faster.
These policies cannot stand. Yet you want to talk about Nazis and Fascists – which would have saved us from this horrible fate. Because however bad things are now, wait until Whites are minorities in their own former Nations if you want to see true terror. Can’t you see how crazy this all is? You see it in regards to White Liberals themselves, but not their policies in this area. Thus Conservatism is no cure: it merely fights against the results of SOME past Leftist victories. And endorses others. It was never intended to win. And as far as the destruction of the White Race: that is sacred; all Parties, Nations, and Religions are united in wanting this. Again Sweden – no Colonial Empire but they are second to none in desiring the destruction of their own people.
That you do that is just proof of your patriarchial nature. Your another one of those hippies who used to boss their girlfriends around.
LOL, I made my comment (above a couple or so) before I saw that you had done it for me. As you are 100% correct, thanks again.
I worry more about what’s in the person’s heart and mind.
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Rhino, you worry about what is in a person’s heart. You worry about what is in a person’s mind. You worry about stupidity. Do you believe worrying helps?
You can stop worrying by just watching your mind, like your worries are clouds in the sky or traffic passing by. Not even a hammock is needed.
What do you do when you stand by the side of the road waiting for a bus? You simply watch. The traffic goes on; you are not concerned. When you are not concerned, worries start dropping. Your concern gives them energy.
But you cannot stop it. You can accept it, allow it, watch it, with a very indifferent, unconcerned look as if they don’t matter. And they are simply bubbles of thought; they really don’t matter. The more you become concerned with them, the more they matter. The more they matter, the more you become concerned. Now you create a vicious circle. Jump out of the circle.
Don’t worry about stupidity or evil people. Be happy! It’s easy. It’s facile. It’s blissful.
Free beer. Did I get your attention.
So that the world can be made sustainable which under a system where there isgreat economic disparity is impossible.
You did it again. Don’t think you’re being clever fuckweed. I’ve seen much smarter people than you you use this tool of facile stupidness.
OK, fuckweed, once again, let’s get down to specifics. Life is simple is it? Then tell us fuckweed, I’ll give you the opportunity once again, to redeem yourself, to tell us what YOU would have done in Harry Truman’s shoes. Show to us how simple life really is.
You know as well as all of us on this site that Truman had several courses of action open to him. Tell us fuckweed, which course of action he should have taken. And why. Examine the alternatives. Tell us the relative advantages/costs/benefits of each.
Astonish us fuckweed, abandon the tired old ideological talking points, abandon the racist hate mongering and think outside the box.
I’ll be fair. Do a good job, render a fair and well considered judgement, take proper account of historical circumstances and I’ll give credit where credit is due. But do otherwise and give us more of the same old racist asswipery and I’ll treat it as the asswipery that it is.
You say the white race is morally depraved for having unleashed nukes?
OK fuckweed here’s another exercise, had the Japanese beat the US to the punch in developing a nuclear device are you prepared to argue, that by virtue of the Japanese not being members of the white race and therefore as a consequence in your view, morally superior, that they would not have deployed the weapon? Tell us fuckweed, tell us why. Tell us the Japanese are morally superior. By virtue of their being non white. Will you give us more racist fuckweedery? I can’t wait to hear this.
Oh, one other thing. Your wounded cries of protest about being insulted, coming from a writer of racist screed, is vomitory.
I love playing games. Dogs also love playing games. There is nothing wrong with game-playing. But let’s include everyone in our word games.
As a presidential candidate, who claims to want to represent ALL the people, you should support not only a gender-equal but a gender-neutral society.
Government and society should tolerate no distinctions at all between the sexes. This means on the narrow level that society should show sensitivity to people who don’t identify themselves as either male or female, including allowing any type of couple to marry.
K-dog, you should support a society that entirely erases traditional gender roles and stereotypes at even the most mundane levels.
Woof! K-dog, let’s play ball and include everyone with our choice of gender-neutral vocabulary.
It matters to those being hurt. In fact, I would suggest that BY LAW, since women are 51% of the population, a representative democracy would require any governing body to have 51% or more women representatives. It’s only fair.
Tell you what fuckweed, save your pseudo spiritualism for another site. Nobody’s buying it. Coming from a writer of racist rants it comes across as fakery and even more hypocritical and vomitory than your whining about personal attacks. And besides I have no fucking idea what you’re babbling about and I don’t care and I doubt anyone else does either.
I gave you a chance to redeem your sorry ass fuckweed. So quit wasting time. The clock is ticking and we don’t have all fucking day….
LOL! I see you are going back to your hypothetical comedy routine where you pose hypothetical questions about alternative histories… in which no one can possibly know what would have transpired.
I gave you a detailed answer last week, which you apparently did not read. Now you jump to conclusions.
I have never said non-white races are morally superior. I have made a simple statement of historical fact that the only race to have shown itself morally depraved by dropping nuclear weapons is the white race.
If tomorrow the Japanese or Pakistanis or Israelis or anyone else uses a nuclear weapon on an urban civilian population center, I will immediately qualify them as morally depraved, even if they don’t then repeat the morally depraved act three days later.
So far, only white Christians have shown their willingness to use nuclear weapons and revealed their moral depravity.
Krugman is a joke, to say the least. He’s now saying we’re in a Depression. Duh!. But, like always, he’s still wrong.
Krugman and others like him always miss the big picture. Which is resource depletion. Or aka The Long Emergency. We are not going to return to endless growth, no country is. And the sooner we realize, there’s no growth to be had, when you have resource depletion, the better off we’ll be. Growth was a stupid notion anyway. For what, so we can rape the planet, and continue our stupid consumerism? I’m glad it’s coming to an end.
I don’t care and I doubt anyone else does either.
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Ah, but you do care. And every week you invite me to play rhetorical games with you. It is fun. Don’t worry about others. You and I are enjoying ourselves.
“(like Romney hiding money offshore in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland)”
So Romney “hides” his money? And asoka knows all about it? Sure.
LORD! Instead of an intellectual exchange of ideas and solutions this blog appears to be a cesspool of ego versus ego, insults, one-upmanship, sophmoric vulgarity and so on. Sooooo non- and counter-productive.
Too bad there isn’t a moderator on this blog to remove all of this low to no value communication.
This is the perfect microcosm of the macrocosm.
Looking at how many of the people on this blog are responding towards and treating each other, and the subject matter discussed, is it any wonder why are world is falling apart?
To paraphrase Ghandi… if you want change and a better world the change needs to begin with you.
Clean up your act, clean up your language, develop some character, develop some respect for your fellow man and woman, be civil and well mannered and strive to set a good example… all this will lead to positive contribution and a blog we could all benefit from.
“Clean up your act..”
This from “Stinky Pants”? Please.
I’m sorry folks, but I obviously don’t know shit. In my wildest dreams I never pictured this charade lasting as long as it has. The Sugar Daddy’s keep handing oujt the goodies and the party never ends. Unbelievable. Jim, I love ya man, but do you think it’s time we doomers throw in the towel, because this sham will not end in our lifetime. Fucking unbelievable.
His point is that they cannot devalue their currency to get out of this mess, dipshit. Slashing gov spending, aka laying people off from gov jobs, is not going to contribute to recovery. NOTE HOW THIS IS NOT WORKING. Maybe they should follow your incredible advice of regressing to a medieval mercantile economy…
Thanks, mistified, for your reply. Everything that happens within his own campaign appears to come as a surprise to Mitt Romney. A little boy asked Romney at one of his rallies, what a ‘President Romney’ was going to do to save that child’s future. Romney had no clear answer.
Nor did he when asked by a man in attendance about discrepancies in his tax record. Romney’s been eying-up the presidency for what seems like decades, and now he’s the presumptive nominee. Somehow he still doesn’t know where all his money is hidden and in what offshore bank accounts.
His ducks are not in a row.
Of course he really does know where his money is, but you’d have thought with the amount of forewarning and trial runs, he’d have cleaned-up his financial house, at least by way of public perception — but he hasn’t really done so to anyone’s satisfaction.
Mitt’s own father when running for president insisted that every candidate should disclose a full decade’s worth of tax and financial records. George Romney’s son, Mitt, however hasn’t and can’t…
In fact offshore bank accounts is just about the full depth and breath of Mitt Romney’s understanding of foreign ‘policies.’ It has been Mitt’s ‘policy’ to squirrel-away millions and millions of dollars in foreign banks far away from his homeland where the money might do his own country some good. Mitt has an estimated 32 million in blind-trusts abroad and no one is clear whether or not that includes holdings in wife, Ann’s name. That’s Romney foreign policy number one.
Romney foreign policy number two is leveraging American companies into bankruptcy after selling all their assets once the value of the company has been keenly inflated, thus shafting purchasers and investors. Then next step is to take the money and run while outsourcing the remaining American jobs overseas. Not necessarily against the law, but skeevy and unethical. While America is watching record growth in the corporate sector, average American lives are leaner than ever. Why? Their jobs are overseas, they’ve been robbed blind by corporate “people, my friend” and yet, Mitt wonders why there’s only 1500 people at one of his speeches and 15,000 attend one of Obama’s. People know instinctively that Mitt Romney is not one of them. Romney has had a long time to practice “looking” presidential and he still doesn’t have it down quite right. He’s like an actor auditioning to play the role of a made-for TV president who looks great in a suit, but can’t wrap his mind around his lines or the part he’s expected to play.
Bearing in mind that a president is a president both at home and abroad, the third and most comical of Mitt’s foreign affairs resume is being a Mormon missionary in France during his youth. That’s bound to be a ‘hit’ with France’s new socialist government. Mitt Romney is a man who’s lived his entire life in a bell-jar. We can see him, but he’s not breathing the same air as the rest of us.
“I would say that we are instead out on the arid buzzard flats beside the deep blue sea where modernity is shortly to drown itself in a fugue of suicidal bad faith.”
Or, you could also say that you has seen the beady black-eyed buzzard o’ death a hoverin’ ’round yr. Uncle Sam who keeps a waitin’ fer an air-conditioned Hummer to drag his sorry ass outta trouble, not knowin’ yet that it ain’t never gonna come. SON!
Exactly what I mean. Petty, meaningless responses, adversarial at all times, no interest in the concept or actual communication or intention… just criticism and one-upmanship.
As if a silly name or handle has anything to do with anything.
I know this is hopeless. I’ll not be returning to this blog commentary area again.
You win. Enjoy.
I just watched this and had to share it. The honesty here will help recognized the “hairball [is] composed of filaments of lies.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUS1m5MSt9k&feature=player_embedded
Found this online, I forget where:
YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOSE
In April, a research ship will begin surveying the Atlantic Ocean floor off of Nova Scotia as the first step to building, by 2013, a $300 million private fiber-optic line connecting New York and London financial markets so as to speed up current transmission times — by about five milliseconds. Those five milliseconds, though (according to an April report in Bloomberg Business Week), will enable the small group of firms that are underwriting the project (and who will have exclusive use of it) to earn millions of dollars per transaction by having their trade sales arrive five milliseconds before their competitors’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Blacks are people, dumb people for the most part. Dumb entitled people who have been put over productive Whites by a vicious Elite. Dumb, Entitled people who have been taught by people like you that Whites have oppressed them and kept them from greatness. And the result? Growing mob violence against Whites. Thanks alot
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Vlad, I want you watch that video. I want you look at Dvora. You might not understand what is being said, but you will understand her eyes. You will understand why she volunteers her time to be with and help the elderly. And why the elderly whom she bakes for, and bakes with, are so eager to introduce her to their grand kids to her. If this can happen in Israel under all our extreme stresses, it can happen everywhere.
France is one of the European nations that is done for as is. They are socialist to the core, just short of communist in their thinking. They’ll cling to that even if it does harm to the other aspects of their culture they hold(I thought)in high regard.
They’ll continue to wreck their economy and give out more and more handouts; most will go to Muslims and other Third World immigrants, not aid to people who deserve it. As long as Frenchmen get those benefits they selfishly grub,they aren’t so concerned about where the rest of it goes, and the consequences of that.
Then, the extremist Muslims will take the opportunity in the future to take areas of France, especially Paris, for their own. There will be a Muslim state in Europe. I doubt most of the French will fight back much, similar to WW2.
France first. Then the U.K. The rest may be able to hold it off.
Tark said: “[France is] socialist to the core, just short of communist in their thinking.”
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Tark, they should become communists. Communism is winning. Capitalism is losing, as in 1, 2, 3, Puke.
Look at the world’s leading economy. Communist Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced a lower growth target of 7.5% for 2012 during the recent Communist Party National People’s Congress. The Communist Party runs Communist China, taking advantage of “western greed for profit” to build Communist China.
The IMF’s figure for Communist China’s 2012 growth is 8.2% and the World Bank’s forecast for Communist China’s 2012 growth is 8.4%, figures which still constitute the highest growth rate in the world, surpassing all capitalist economies.
I think France should abandon socialism and embrace communism. Communism is the future.
So what? As if countless Whites don’t do things like that too – far more than Blacks do. She might be a bit better btw – they don’t consider themselves Blacks and many of them are at least partially something else. Selasie got off the plane in Jamaica – a small thin man with Caucasian features and brown skin. The Rastafarians wouldn’t greet or bow down to the God they had been waiting for. They expected a huge Black God with a flat nose etc. It was a White Devil Trick!
If you want to insult her, call her a Negro and see how she reacts. It must kill you to see her marrying a Swiss Devil Dog. Look Mika, lots of guys get jungle fever. You seem to have reved it up into a romantic thing…You don’t have to believe everything your mind tells you. I was once very attracted by an Ethiope or Somali who was working behind a counter. Not only was she beautiful, but I could tell she was very well brought up – not like the sluts and bored fashionistas who infest our Western Cities like New York, London, Jerusalem, etc.
Tark said: “There will be a Muslim state in Europe.”
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Duh. Of course there will be. Islam is the world’s leading religion. Get with the program because we aren’t going to fight the Crusades all over again.
And it won’t be the first time for a Muslim state in Europe. There are Muslim states in Europe now.
Spain has a long history with Muslims (710 to 1492), and learned much from Muslim scholarship. Germany will undoubtedly become a Muslim state also.
Free your mind from anti-Muslim propaganda and anti-immigrant brainwashing.
Whether a state is Christian or Muslim or Hindu, it is not the end of the world. Chill out, bro. Islam means peace. Asalaam walekum.
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Sometimes the SphincterNet makes the mistake of showing us what we’re capable of. When I see these moments, I feel compelled to share them with you swarthy heathens. Don’t ask me why. Mostly you’re NOT WORTHY. Please enjoy, I’m going somewhere to cry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGq26M08ZpI
Tark, the lesson we should take away from Sarkozy’s loss is to welcome immigrants and learn to live together in peace, as Muslims, Christians, and Jews did in Spain.
Sarkozy lost the election because he refused to accept multiculturalism. He said there are too many “foreigners” (he meant immigrants) in France, that police should have greater leeway to shoot fleeing suspects, that the anti-immigrant far right are upstanding citizens. He even talked about “people who look Muslim.”
The world is on notice. Multiculturalism is a reality, our reality, and is here to stay. Any politician who is racist and anti-immigrant, or even appears to be so, will not last long in office before being voted out.
Dear Met,
You forgot the ever ready to detain and demean….THE TSA. This is the closest thing we have to the Gestapo. People complain and nothing ever changes.
You are so right.
Thanks, xhalor. Did you know KD Lang is also known for being a vegan, as well as an animal rights, gay rights, and Tibetan human rights activist. She is a tantric practitioner of the old school of Tibetan Buddhism. Thanks for sharing the video.
“The world is on notice. Multiculturalism is a reality, our reality, and is here to stay.”
HOWEVER
Your religion, and everyone else’s is, has been, and will always be
BULLSHIT
Thinking of You,
Mohammar Khadaffy Duck
P.S.
There will be no fuckin’ reconcilliation.
I have been reading the JHK blog and comments but have stayed out of the fray for some time just being a wallflower (trollflower?).
I must say the quality of conversation ebbs and flows, but always brings me back as does JHK’s doom. Now, I do agree that his doomcasts(tm) are off, but then, I used to read the WSJ, FTL, et. al. and they’re positivecasts were also off, if not intentionally misleading. Other than selling a few books, I don’t think JHK has much to gain from misleading folks and certainly his being “right” or “wrong” (or the reader/commentator for that matter) keep me tuning in despite that I work increasingly long hours for the same (read with inflation as less) money. Bethatasitmay, I don’t expect that the chatter and clatter here will be different next week, however, chew on this walnut we all must and keep it dooming.
My own rants have not been linked here in some time so forgive me….
http://schwerpunkter.wordpress.com/
Professor recalls last open Weathermen meeting where they called for the killing of all White Babies.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/05/the-ethics-of-killing-all-white-babies/#more-26511
…huh?
We like to joust.
The hateful anti-immigrant, anti-Latino and anti-Muslim rhetoric of Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney promotes paranoia for political gain. Just be aware of the manipulation … through inducement of fear.
Their ignorance is dangerous. They, and many Republicans, talk about a monolithic Muslim Caliphate menace. (WTF!?!) There is no monolithic Islam. There is a small extremist group called Al Qaeda Al-Qaeda that says re-establishing the Caliphate is one of its primary objectives. About as scary as Christian fundamentalists saying all gays should repent and become Christians or they will be kidnapped and “reprogrammed” … and about as likely to happen.
And it’s not just ignorance of Islam. Mitt Romney called Russia the “number one geopolitical foe” of the United States. President Dmitry Medvedev reminded Romney that the Cold War has been over for a while, suggested that he has seen too many Hollywood movies.
Romney’s anti-Islam, anti-Russia, anti-immigrant words are hateful, violent and his beliefs are contradictory to the values of the American Republic.
Wow, just wow – where to begin. It appears that within the first 4 hours of this poast, we now have a good half-dozen or so new aliases – most claiming expertise while displaying incoherence/ignorance. Someone’s hard at work (too bad this board doesn’t display the poaster’s IP address – tho that is also easily remedied via proxy).
For the past couple weeks, I’ve been pondering that old adage we were taught as children (usually when we grew depressed about the reality we saw surrounding us). It went something like, “Live every day as if it were your last.” Such shortsightedness and gluttony certainly seems to illustrate exactly how we’ve managed to be corralled into our current situation.
I swear, that third Ozone poast sounded like my own! ‘Cept I don’t refer to *them* as “gum’mint toadies” – but rather as, “6 figure salaried government stalkers,” or *6-fig-govt-stalkaz* for short! ;)~ Don’t sell those Pentagon/Triple-Letter-Acronym boys short, either – once they’re in, they’re pretty much in for the long haul, and accountable to no one but themselves. There was a reason Eisenhower called them the military-industrial complex. But hey, what’s $1.4 trillion/year (+- $200 billion) amongst *friends*?!?
Oh, and for the record, I was craving an omelette the past couple days, so I will be making one today with salmon and cheese (mayhaps onions/mushrooms also)…
“GET YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF MY DESERT!!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqCknCOllg
It looks like them Europeans don’t want nothin’ to do with no stinkin Austerity. Keep the Largesse rolling in! The Krauts will cover the bill!!
–WSP7
Plus maybe they can score some swag from the suckers at the World Bank and IMF.
–WSP7
Hey, WSP7, do you still believe in the confidence fairy? Newsflash: the confidence fairy doesn’t exist — that is, claims that slashing government spending would somehow encourage consumers and businesses to spend more have been overwhelmingly refuted by the experience of the past two years.
So spending cuts in a depressed economy just make the depression deeper.
Moreover, there seems to be little if any gain in return for the pain. Consider the case of Ireland, which has been a good soldier in this crisis, imposing ever-harsher austerity in an attempt to win back the favor of the bond markets.
According to the prevailing orthodoxy, this should work. In fact, the will to believe is so strong that members of Europe’s policy elite keep proclaiming that Irish austerity has indeed worked, that the Irish economy has begun to recover.
But it hasn’t. And although you’d never know it from much of the press coverage, Irish borrowing costs remain much higher than those of Spain or Italy, let alone Germany.
As a counterpoint to Ireland’s sad story, consider the case of Iceland, which was ground zero for the financial crisis but was able to respond by devaluing its currency, the krona (and also had the courage to let its banks fail and default on their debts).
Sure enough, Iceland is experiencing the recovery Ireland was supposed to have, but hasn’t.
There is a way out — and the Germans have shown how that way can work. Unfortunately, they don’t understand the lessons of their own experience.
Talk to German opinion leaders about the euro crisis, and they like to point out that their own economy was in the doldrums in the early years of the last decade but managed to recover.
What they don’t like to acknowledge is that this recovery was driven by the emergence of a huge German trade surplus vis-a-vis other European countries — in particular, vis-a-vis the nations now in crisis — which were booming, and experiencing above-normal inflation, thanks to low interest rates.
So Germany’s experience isn’t, as the Germans imagine, an argument for unilateral austerity in Southern Europe; it’s an argument for much more expansionary policies elsewhere, and in particular for the European Central Bank to drop its obsession with inflation and focus on growth.
The Germans, needless to say, don’t like this conclusion, nor does the leadership of the central bank. They will cling to their fantasies of prosperity through pain and will insist that continuing with their failed strategy is the only responsible thing to do.
But it seems that they will no longer have unquestioning support from the Elysee Palace. And that, believe it or not, means that both the euro and the European project now have a better chance of surviving than they did a few days ago.
Absolutely outstanding post, Asoka!
Good to see that at least one poster (there are more to be sure) hasn’t capitulated to the cliched, and formulaic semantics of Doomerspeak.
Question: How many “doomers” can fit “through the bottleneck” ?
Our pioneer ancestors in a real sense were rugged individualists, but at the same were in a very real sense integrated in their co-operative ,sharing community. It made absolute sense to work co-operatively;as they say many hands makes the work easier.Once we could harness extraneous energy to do our work ,society changed.The benefits of replacing manpower and horsepower ,brought on the industrial age. The whole thing was expanding to fill the wants of a hungy nation.Fortunes were made and with cheap energy and abundant resources the masses joined the party of conspicuous consumption.We did have a war ie the one after the Great War a war in which we made and blew up a lot of stuff ,came out a winner and stronger than ever after that economic downturn called the great depression.Away we went again bigger than ever ,we still had lots of cheap oil and everyone needed a car and pretty soon two or three.Somehow we have given up the idea of perpetual motion but we still adhere to the concept of perpetual growth. Common sense would question such a perpetual growth assumption ,but it seems self evident that economists are beyond this reality and live in a world of their own creation in which if you create enough debt ie. money out of the ether the game or as some would say racket can go on forever. Next time you see a meeting of the elite banksters instead of seeing them pulling up in their limousines and dressed in their finest tuxes imagine them roaring up on hogs and dressed as an outlaw biker gang
“Question: How many “doomers” can fit “through the bottleneck” ?”
ANSWER: The Schwartzwald is dying.
U.S. history suggests that you are probably wrong to believe that U.S. troops will not fire upon their fellow Americans. (“If you think good ol’ home grown boys will fire on their neighbors I believe you to be mistaken.”)
Take the last time that millions of Americans were riled up enough to take to the streets in threatening numbers, the movement to stop the war in Vietnam. In 1970, the government did not hesitate to put troops with live ammunition onto the campuses of places like Kent State and Jackson State. And on those two campuses, whoever was directing those troops did not hesitate to order them to fire that live ammunition at students. It is criminal that we do not know to this day exactly who gave these orders, much less that those responsible completely escaped prosecution and prison.
It may be that the coming civil unrest will have a much broader social/economic base than the anti-war movement did, making it more likely that the troops might feel more empathy for the people they are being asked to attack. But our armed forces today have no draftees; economic desperation drives young people into the services. Watching the videos of highly militarized police officers attacking nonviolent, seated protestors with pepper spray does not inspire confidence in our troops refusing to obey orders to shoot to kill.
God do I love the way you fuckos gloss over USA military technology. Where in the fuck do you think all that unaccounted for money goes?
Hmmm…let me see. Do I want bronze swords or steel swords?
“Live every day as if it were your last.”
Rather than demonstrate the irony of all the obvious sock puppets on-board today, incessantly flame-bait trolling themselves ad nauseum, I will instead posit some new ethos of resource depletion/economic contraction, which will be required in the coming days:
“Why do today, what you can put off until tomorrow.”
“Laziness is next to Godliness.”
“Bullsh!t talks, money walks…”
Thanks for the response. I see your point. On the other hand it is possible to write about anything. But then why choose that if there is something more interesting? Everyone in Cleveland was laughing about it but then those people are also from Cleveland.
“”Laziness is next to Godliness.”
You actually had to say it?
Do me a favor. Turn up the TV on yer way out, huh?
“test”
Well, I’ll be. I’m not banned.
I like you, JHK. You’re a tough-minded SOB, and you’re a writer. And apparently, you’re somewhat open minded and tolerant of different viewpoints. Which is more than I can say of some of your coreligionists, whom I have encountered on CFN.
Anyway, nice weeks work. And thanks to you as always.
And you are consistently and uniquely creative, JHK. Consider the following:
“The illusion of remaining airborne may dissolve now with the Hollandaise denunciation of Franco-German team spirit …”
-jhk-
Got’ Da’ Mighty, boy, you linked current events, French President Francois Hollande, and one of my favorite sauces. How do you do stuff like this, week after week?
I never would have thought to do that in a month of straining over a keyboard. Which could be why you are a writer with a internationally followed blog and website – and I am a poster to that website.
Keep up the good work.
PS. Get rid of the goddam’ Chinese spammer – without banning a bunch of other posters – and maybe semi-intelligent commentary to this webspace will pick back up.
My god! First post of the week and the hissing lying snake is already lying and hissing, trying to spread his shameless lies. Snake, which coreligionists called to have you banned?
You know, with the Birthrate of Whites in France
[Quite low, but not the lowest on Earth] The Black Muslims may inherit the place.
Most newborns in Paree are Black.
Is Kruggie like Greenspan etc, Suits that are paid to lie?
Jeeze – as I read my way up from the bottom – this comment thread took a nasty downturn unusually quickly this week.
And KultureCritic felt led to link to his own blog, not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR TIMES.
We get it, KC, you like free advertising.
Give it a rest, next week.
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You know, KC, you called me a “MORON,” or something similar, several months ago – apparently because of my views over immigration.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and said that your screenname may have been hacked.
But you never even had the guts, or the attention span, to follow up with me that Monday. People run to patterns, so I’m sure you won’t follow up this time either.
You Freeloading Horse’s ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
(tm K/Q, who we miss)
(ps, if you follow up with me this week – I’ll retract the above insult.)
Won’t hold my breath on that one, though.
And I hold grudges for a long, long time.
Ozone said it was a Southern thing, long ago.
Conquered people, and all that, you know.
learn to read
I can read just fine, snake. Why all the talk about being banned?
I wonder how President Mitt Romney is going to handle things if they get out of hand. Being an elite and Bishop in the Mormon Church, he’ll likely figure things out in closed rooms open only to old white men of certain breeding who hold certain religious beliefs.
Those LDS member are a tight-knit bunch.
Kiss your democracy goodbye when Mitt takes the helm.
Muslims may inherit the place.
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They would have to kick out the socialists.
You favor the socialists?
Muslims, Christians, Hindus, what difference does it make since none of them are political parties that govern states.
The Apostle’s Creed is for Christians.
Sharia law is for Muslims
Etc. (so relax, please)
Why all this fear mongering about Muslims?
Muslims are good peace-loving people. I know that because I have experience with Muslims in Muslim lands, both sharia and sunni. I have lived with muslim families. I have traveled with Muslims on trains. I have prayed with Muslims. I have danced zikr with Muslims. They are not monolithic. They are not scary.
“”We have systems too large to understand – let alone describe or control with any real expertise.”
I see you read John Robb, too. That’s what was in his latest blog post on Resilient Communities this morning.
“Why all the talk about being banned?”
Damn. I haven’t been to a good banning in a long time. You’re a witch! BURN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z61tlxcqaVE
From Hell With Love:
– http://youtu.be/c7vavQvZIsM
“The hate and malice that you propagate using shallow, simplistic stupidness as your tool is antithetical to civilization and civilized “behavior.” -rhino, to asoka.-
Very well said, Rhino! I am very glad you are here, on this comment thread. Asoka is a racist, top to bottom. Far too many posters give him some sort of strangely Politically Correct Pass, because asoka consistently proclaims the “Right Kind of Racism.”
Selective and Politically Correct Racism is not a habit of mind that will ever lead civilization to a good place. “A spring is being wound,” as Fred says.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Zimmerman.shtml
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Having said all of that, I freely acknowledge that you, Rhino, have “had my back” in a couple of CFN kerfuffles, so far. I appreciate that very much, and I hope I have returned the favor, a few times, already. I will defend you.*
But, I’m not afraid to criticize the words of those I defend*. (although some on CFN are.)
So here goes with some constructive criticism:
It has become my practice, to not drag last weeks events into the new CFN week, until at least a day or two has elapsed. I may hint at something, if I’m really pissed – but I try to stop there.
In a nutshell, my feeling is that JHK labors hard on his week’s work, he needs to sell some books and speeches. Those of us who are his regular posters owe him the courtesy of shutting up, and letting the week unfold for a few hours – on a Monday.
And I’ve learned, especially with asoka., the longer we can keep our True Declared Racists lurking, and not posting – the better the new week will go.
Furthermore, IMO, gratuitous cursing – howevermuch it may seem to be deserved – makes it look like your ideas may be weak, which they are not, Rhino.
And who would have thought that “fuckweed” would look bad, on a Cluster Fucked Nation?
Go figure, heh?
“*defend”
I will not defend you “to the death,” however, Rhino.
Who would make a pledge like that on the open internet, to someone they had never???**
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**Bill, Mika, Buck – eventually I’ll let this drop, or stop posting here, or get banned.
I will never forget it, though.
So, not only is the time right for kickin’ the Iranians ass (USA!USA!) in the annual spring tennis classic, but it is also time for the Air Shows. I had three Mitchell B-25’s low fly my ass now for two days running. All you Jimmy Doolittle wannabees…B-17’s, B-24’s, P-47’s, P-51’s…(sigh)
Like sex without touching The Pussy.
Get yer ass at Attention,
Gen. Curtis LeMay
Snake, I doubt anyone here would be stupid enough to trust you with anything. Not even your hissing sock-puppet(s) is that stupid. You’ve shown yourself to be of completely worthless character. Over and over and over again.
“Also, by the way, I would wonder what the generals over in the Pentagon will think (or might do!) as they see their country fall to tatters.”
Been pondering the same think myself for quite a while, and I think you are correct–if I read you right: There Will Be…a Coop. Rationally, there is no reason NOT to do it (even right now!), and it might even be a practical necessity just to appease the masses amassing for the most violent of revolutions yet known to Man.
Good essay on our global economic predicament:
Global Reality:
Surplus of Labor, Scarcity of Paid Work
– http://goo.gl/3foIn
oftwominds-Charles Hugh Smith
Ozone,
Parallel conversations, man.
What do you want to say.
You lead, I’ll follow.
OK, I’ll lead, you follow.
On sustainability and survival strategies –
Two stories, then I’m going to quit for the night and let the dust settle.
Story one – I have enough stored pinto beans and black beans – purchased from a Mormon “Cannery*” to last my little extended family for a couple of hungry, pissed-off months – in case TS ever HTF in my little region of paradise.
I planted a row each of pintos and blacks (the beans, people – the BEANS!), as an experiment.
Both varieties sprouted quickly.
Both are growing nicely.
Both are about to set flowers.
So – – If we can make a couple of hungry months, then get to warm weather and then be able to grow something, we might just make it here. Maybe.
Story two – I have told CFN before that I have to keep a large outside dog, and a medium sized outside cat – to keep the bears, raccoons, deer, rabbits, and other varmints – with two feet or four – off of my place and out of my orchard and garden.
Several posters have questioned the sustainability of feeding dogs and cats, post collapse.
Well, I’ve been eying the local squirrel population. The dog and cat keep them back in the woods – but barely. There are hundreds of squirrels out there, all looking hungry.
I hope it’s a good year for acorns.
Alfred Hitchcock could have filmed “The Squirrels,” at my place.
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Now, a buddy of mine was a real “city slicker,” when he moved into the mountains a few counties up above me – a couple of years ago.
His wife likes to feed birds.
Squirrels were killing her birds.
He asked for my help.
I checked him out on a .22 rifle.
Turns out this city boy is a natural with a rifle. Maybe it’s another Southern thing.
To date, he has killed 153 squirrels.
So, I know how to feed my cat and dog sustainably, if and when TSH that fan.
And I’ve decided I won’t ever plan to cross my friend – especially if he’s holding a .22.
*Mormon Cannery –
Dry stored food, in huge cans –
Cheap, Cheap, Cheap
Lasts in storage for 30 years +
Get some.
The Pharoah did.
It helped Joseph.
What goes around, comes around.
Jim,
Your posts sound more and more like a freshman trying to impress the TA in creative writing 101…trash the Roget’s and cut way way down on the adjectives…you may have a future in advertizing if you play your cards right….
It’s really as simple as this Mika and Asoka: I’m American but I genuinely place value on what’s left of the old European cultures. All the societies that make up what can be thought of as one civilization, in a sense, should be preserved if at all possible. Whatever grudges and resentments people hold against Western civilization shouldn’t be the reason that it’s left to die, or forced to die, by some.
I like France, in this case, to be France and French, not some weird misfit hybrid. And if any ethnic group and religion is seeking the hijacking of France, it’s Muslims. It’s really the main reason they emigrate to Europe as a whole. They may not all blow people up, but they are very ambitious.
Or to put it even more simply, if I’m ever able to travel to Paris, I would prefer not to see Notre Dame surrounded by minarets, or the Eiffel Tower with a loudspeaker on it calling all the fanatics to prayer.
If all cultures are equal, in relativists’ terms, then they can stay home and enjoy a culture that’s already suited to them, and improve their lives…there.
BTW, try telling people in Greece they should keep their immigration doors wide open. I don’t think they believe in those arguments anymore. 😉
We are entering a new age, Tark. The age of exploitation/centralization/feudalism is coming to an end. If these are the characteristics you associate with Western Civilization, then say your goodbyes. That shit has run its course.
China is barely Communist anymore. They’ve had success because they adopted a degree of Capitalist practices.
These days they are more like really vicious authoritarians and becoming imperialistic. I thought you and Mika would despise something like that…
Those are the ones you associate with the West.
Progress, individuality, freedom of, AND from, religion and what used to be a fair rule of law based on rational thinking… all of those among many other things. Other traits of the West I could mention that mean a lot more to me in personal ways. Mostly things that only white people possess as a rule.
If you think 21st century Islam will uphold most of those, you’re out of your mind.
“When the clown cars pull into the political conventions this summer, I would like to see these circus troupes greeted by large and lively mobs of furious citizens”
Someone else finally admits that politics is nothing but a circus show! Glad to hear such reality coming from the illustrious JHK. In fact that final paragraph is packed with reality.
As for enjoying the European sideshow, I believe I know less about what is REALLY happening over there than I know about what goes on in the mind of a Kardashian. All I can do is try to put the pieces of that puzzle together using the meager bits and pieces of actual fact I see in the media. Not that I really care about Europe, as it might as well be the land of Kardashians for all I care. It’s America I’m worried about.
If Europe goes belly up, then I think America is next on the default hit list. Ever since I started reading up on real financial news I’ve been spending money like a drunken sailor. What’s the point of holding onto it, when it’s worthless anyway? It’s the knowledge of what my fiat currency is worth that keeps me from going over the edge when I have to pay $4 for a gallon of gas! Enjoy the show!
“To date, he has killed 153 squirrels”
Must be open season all year round, no limit. And if you run out of squirrel to eat, you can cook the pets.
If you think 21st century Islam will uphold most of those, you’re out of your mind.
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Why would say such to me? I’m an anti-theist, and many times I made it clear that I consider Islam and Islamists to be little more than tools of Vatican barbarism. Islam and Islamists are completely devoid of any virtue. They are retrograde ignorance and genocide spelled large.
Progress, individuality, freedom of, AND from, religion and what used to be a fair rule of law based on rational thinking
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These are nice propaganda slogans. They have little to do with reality.
Why would ^you say such..
I haven’t commented here for long and I’m beginning to think Mika is a puppet or troll myself.
An Israeli? atheistic communist? A Boris from Bullwinkle..in the Mossad?
Nice try, snake. Do try again.
I will never forget it, though.
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You tell us that you hold a grudge for a long time. Now you tell use you will “never forget” … your mind must be full if you never let go of imagined slights.
BeantownBill did not do anything to you, yet you pillory him week after week, and now you inform us you will hold a grudge against him forever.
I have no enemies. I even pray for those who persecute me and are spiteful toward me. Though you may consider me your enemy, I will continue to consider you a part of my tribe: the human race. My heart is full of love for all.
Seems it is important for you to divide people up into friends and enemies and you feel a need to be loyal to friends and be vengeful, spiteful, and vindictive toward enemies or people you feel you cannot trust.
I pity you and pray for your soul.
“Everyone is going broke simultaneously, including putative lenders, i.e. buyers of bonds, who are the same ones selling them.”
A few large corporations are doing just fine. Apple is not only debt free, growing, and highly profitable, it is accumulating obscene amounts of cash (around $100B so far). Exxon Mobile,Wal-Mart, Microsoft, IBM, Intel, Google, and others aren’t far behind. Wal-Mart’s sales are larger than the GDP of many countries. If they was a country, it would easily be among China’s top 10 trading partners.
Remember the TBTF banks? They’re bigger than ever now, more than big enough to again hold the world economies hostage.
If this trend continues and there isn’t a revolution of the masses, it’s just a matter of time until these mega corporations and banks control most of the world’s resources and governments.
Absolutely outstanding post, Asoka!
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Wake up at the switch Buck, the entire post was an unattributed cut and paste job from Krugman’s Op-Ed piece in today’s NYT.
Obviously you believe in the “wisdom” of creating money out of thin air as a way to steal from those that have via inflation as Krugman does since, it goes without saying, that what the haves “have” was ill-gotten.
“Credit” for Asoka’s post belongs entirely to Krugman.
Tark, you say “they are very ambitious” and this is a good thing given how positive Islamic values are. It’s good to be ambitious when it comes to promoting Islamic values like prayer, fasting, charity, modesty, being kind to others, gaining knowledge, etc. because all of these are designed to build healthy individuals and a healthy society.
Don’t let the actions of a few Muslim extremists form your attitude toward Islam. Once you get to know Islam, and become friends with Muslims, you will find they share the same concerns you do about things like raising children, education, and social issues. They are, just as we are, also facing the Long Emergency. We need to all learn to live together. United we stand. Divided we fall.
Here is a link to today’s Krugman post, so everyone can see my post is not a “unattributed cut and paste job from today’s Krugman’s Op-Ed”.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/pain-without-gain/
Shame on you, Kyooshtik.
It was an unattributed cut and paste from yesterday’s Krugman piece. Though even that is not true. I did not “cut and paste” all of it. I edited Krugman and made it my own, and tailored it to fit both the topic being discussed and space concerns for CFN.
Get your facts straight, man, before you go falsely criticizing someone.
“Good thing I drink or I’d have to take it up.”
SHANE SEZ
“Go ahead, punk. Pick up the gun…”
Obama Grows a Spine
— Q, fetch the attribution!
Government will continue to shrink if Obama vetoes all spending bills.
But I’m pretty sure the Republicans will cave on this and honor the deal they made last year.
Thanks for talking to me like I’m simpleminded, lol. Seems like you took a quote from Sesame Street. I guess I’ll have to learn how to comment without putting so much feeling behind my posts. It must make me sound naive.
Asojka said “The world is on notice. Multiculturalism is a reality, our reality, and is here to stay. Any politician who is racist and anti-immigrant, or even appears to be so, will not last long in office before being voted out.”
I think people who think like that will be frozen out of the political system.
Who are you going to vote for next election, buddy?
The guy kicking 400k out a year? Or the other guy who will likely also kick out 400k a year?
For all the talk of race on this board its something 10% or less of the people who participate in elections of simply exist in general.
You’re right about multiculturalism, we’ve achieved it. That achievement doesn’t mean we should turn America into the world’s refugee camp. Its not good for the world or us.
The new reality, that isn’t going away is the realization that all people do is destroy the world and are expensive to support without a reduction of living standards globally.
Zero Population and then negative population growth is a great thing and a worthy goal.
China is barely Communist anymore. They’ve had success because they adopted a degree of Capitalist practices.
China is communist controlled and the Chinese communists have strategically used capitalist greed to build their infrastructure, build their military, and build their budget surplus. At any point in the future they can appropriate/ nationalize the factories that have been built there.
Read the Constitution of the People’s Republic of China (do not fetch attribution, Q-dog!):
The living standards of the people have improved considerably. Both the victory of China’s new-democratic revolution and the successes of its socialist cause have been achieved by the Chinese people of all nationalities under the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the guidance of Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought.
Article 7. The state economy is the sector of socialist economy under ownership by the whole people; it is the leading force in the national economy. The state ensures the consolidation and growth of the state economy.
I think if you’re going to cache Mormon food, you might as well be a Mormon.
On Mika’s 450 million bullets purchased by DSHS, that is a solid investment, bro.
Guns are jobs. All we need to do is raise the age of conscription to 65 and add in all the faggots, bitches, and kids with asthma.
Lets raise a civilian Army staffed with real logistics and go kick Kony’s ass out of the Congo.
Why aren’t we bombing Sudan?
Mexico has a lot of potential. The USA needs to take control of Mexico again. There, I said it. Anyone who thinks different is an idiot. They can’t run their own country. Its dissolving into gang war. Thats a travesty for such a beautiful country.
Canada is way, way, way better than us and thats good because the USA needs an example, a baseline, a comparison.
The per capita GDP of America if it had the population of Canada would be astronomical.
What are you talking about, BustinJ? Get your facts straight.
Mitt Romney released his 2010 tax return. His total income for the year was listed as $21.6 million, more than one-half of which came from capital gains.
Obama’s 2010 tax return reported $1,795,614 of total income, which consists mostly of his salary as president ($395,188) and proceeds from the sale of his books ($1,382,889).
The Bidens reported total income of $379,178 on their 2010 tax return, which consists mostly of the vice president’s salary of $255,888 and Jill Biden’s salary as a college teacher of $82,488.
So, it is not two guys equally earning $400,000 a year. And the vice-president doesn’t even make $400,000. Here are incomes listed on their 2010 IRS tax returns:
$21.6 million for the Romneys
$1.8 million for the Obamas
$379,000 for the Bidens
You want to take over Mexico? Then every elementary grade school kid should have to learn Spanish before moving on to middle school. The Mexicans already have English in their curriculum.
Mitt Romney 2012
Crowd Boos Romney
Do you remember what’s on page 169 of your income tax return? Neither does Mitt Romney.
At a town hall-style meeting Monday in Cleveland, the GOP presidential candidate got this pointed question about his investments: In this age of tough foreign competition, could Romney explain the “over $1.5 million in foreign tax credits” he received since 2000?
“I’m not familiar with that,” Romney told the man who asked. The crowd booed. “I didn’t think I paid any foreign income taxes, but I’ll be happy to take a look at it.”
In fact, Romney and his wife, Ann, paid more than $1.2 million in foreign taxes and paid about $800,000 in taxes on general income to unspecified countries. That’s according to the couple’s own tax returns.
Romney has not officially been chosen. Ron Paul is mounting a successful insurgency, including Paul operatives getting picked as “Romney” delegates, except they may not vote for Romney.
In other words, many of the supposed Romney delegates are not really Romney delegates.
Asoka is stealing again. He cuts and pastes other’s words and passes it off as his own.
Google any paragraph and you get 394 sources with the same exact wording.
Stealing? “Google any paragraph”
OK…
Go ahead, Google it.
How many hits did you get?
Puzzler is stealing again. I just Googled this sentence from Puzzler’s post:
He cuts and pastes other’s words and passes it off as his own.
About 15,300,000 results (0.31 seconds)
Shameful.
Actually, it is a game to try to get Google to return just 1 result, and not easy to do. 394 people have already copied me since I posted.
Businessman Romney will straighten everything out. He is not worried about the poor, or anyone else.
As far as the generals, they are well paid behind their desks awaiting their fat pensions and possible entry into the bosom of the MIC at the ripe old age of 46. No revolution there.
And the US government has the legal authority to create an infinite amount of dollars out of thin air without borrowing them from anyone. As long as it is a platinum coin, it is legal for any amount of US dollars the Treasury says. I think the law was passed during the Nixon administration after the USA abandoned the gold standard. The system will do whatever it needs to do to survive, while keeping the super rich comfortable. They own both political parties.
Businessman Romney will straighten everything out.
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LOL!
The Constitution does not say the purpose of government is to have the country maximize profit. If that were the case, then we would need a businessman.
The Constitution (article 1 section 8) says government is to: provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Running a country is very different from running a business enterprise. Romney has inadequate qualifications because he is so far removed from common citizens.
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Yes, the dissolution of CFN is proceding apace. Even Vlad appears to have stepped out of today’s festivities. I’ve often wondered why guys like KulturCritic got a free pass to advertise their own websites.
Ironically, the abundance of “doom sites” like this one, KulturCritic’s, and Leibowitz Society (also advertised early in the week on a weekly basis) indicate that the doom business is a “low barrier to entry” business and, alas, quite effete.
Fred Reed got there first and I don’t think the ruling elite or the titans of industry regard any of these self-institutionalized kvetchers as more than a gnat in their ear. There’s no real UNITY in the doom biz so it’s like a lot of island universes trying to use their literary pizzazz mostly to compete against each other. Are they really concerned about doom or whether they can turn a phrase better than fellow doomers so that they get free plane rides to deliver papers in minor bookstores in Portland?.
The uniting theme in the REAL world of doom is SELF INTEREST. After all, career doomsters have to make a buck, too. Jim’s carbon footprint to “get the message out” is huge given the plethora of plane flights he takes per year. Fifteen plane flights per year to deliver the Peak Oil message is like fucking to support virginity.
Carry on.
E.
So now our agent provocatuer ‘Asoka’ is inveighing against the West from his undisclosed base in ‘Latin America’. Once again its Latin America. That’s OK, because I’m typing this sh-t out right now from the planet Jupiter. And, oh yea, I’m a black Muslim-Communist-War Resister-multiculturalist-anything else that might piss people off, just like Asoka.
Talking head on CNBC, oil company executive, discussing collapse in crude oil prices, stated this morning, without mentioning the words ‘peak oil’, that the world ‘production ceiling’ seems to be about 86 million liquid barrels per day, and we haven’t been able to rise above that despite our best efforts.
–WSP7
“….right now from the planet Jupiter. And, oh yea, I’m a black Muslim-Communist-War Resister-multiculturalist-anything else that might piss people off, just like Asoka.”
-wsp7-
God’al’mighty, Widespread – you almost made me spit hot coffee on my new keyboard!
It’s true, though.
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I’ve been looking into the concept of “confirmation bias.” Everyone suffers from it, to one extent or another. Some of our posters have a galloping case of it – and don’t have a clue that they have ever been wrong about anything.
To err is human, people.
Shouldn’t you be over at David Duke’s blog with the rest of your Master Race, telling them this good news? Why are you still here, week after week after week after week? Go away already.
“Must be open season all year round, no limit. And if you run out of squirrel to eat, you can cook the pets.” -shakaZ, on my buddy’s 153 killed rodents-
Yeah, Shaka – you’d have to see where each of us lives to understand completely. LOTS of woods behind each of our houses. My woods are 5,000 acres of highly erodible National Forest. His are 1,000 acres of highly erodible private land that was being developed as an upscale subdivision when the bubble burst – one positive from the popping of the RE bubble.
So – lots of hungry squirrels, always stalking our “crops.” I don’t have to shoot mine so far, the dog and cat keep them in abeyance.
You can (as far as I know) still get a nuisance animal permit in Georgia that allows you to shoot animals as large as deer, year round IF they are doing bona fide damage to food crops.
I don’t know if my friend has one of those.
I doubt he could qualify.
But squirrels do breed like rats – which they are, of course, with cute furry tails.
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And yeah, on eating the pets –
My current dog is a rescue, pick up from a “pro-kill” animal shelter. He was about due for the needle, when I picked him out.
I had him in the cab of my truck, driving him home for the first time. 10 miles of twisting mountain roads. I was talking in a soothing voice the whole way, just making human noise, you know – a one way conversation to keep him calm.
So, I ran out of small talk and started describing his new life for him:
“You get to go on walks in the woods every day.”
“You get a great bed to sleep in.”
“Of course, you know you’re gonna get neutered.”
“And I expect you to happily die, defending my family and property, if you need to.”
Apparently, he understood English better than I thought, and got a little stressed at the information I was sharing with him.
Because he looked into my eyes with that trusting canine look that said, “OK, boss, if you say so….”
And then he hurled about two pounds of partially digested, nasty, dog pound food –
right into my lap.
Maybe I should learn not to be so honest.
hah!
Confirmation bias – boo hah, sounds as goofy as affordable health care…….. besides that –
I’ve been suffering from delusions all my life.
I noted early on that it was all downhill as soon as they took away my diapers.
However, I took to the written word as a pre-schooler and have found comfort in that we, or at least “I” can sit on the shoulders of giants and learn the knowledge they have accumulated without the discomfort and terror of their experience.
And so it is in reading Cf Nation, one is sure to come away with dirty hands and a slight stench from much of the wasted, petty efforts. Yet amongst the barn yard of free speech there is always some fodder worth ruminating, some kernels of truth to ponder, some reason to keeping on.
Good day, and good clusterfucking to all.
Real news on the BBC. Iran is selling oil for Yuan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17988142
There is a believable theory that one of the main reasons, if not the sole reason, Iraq was attacked was because Iraq sold oil for Euros, not dollars.
The US dollar went into freefall.
Holy exploding underpants, nous sommes tous fuque.
Thankyou for your kind words and advice.
Put it this way, using a distasteful appellation like “fuckweed” was meant as a full force declaration of contempt for the sewage in his posts.
People that know me will generally say I’m overly patient, that I suffer fools inordinately. Good hearted, well meaning fools I’ll suffer.
Besides the overt racism there’s other things in his commentary like the air of falsity, mendacity, malice, hate, dishonesty in the way he distorts the obvious intended meaning of other commenters.
If this was one voice in the wilderness spewing bilge that would be one thing but the ideas that he promotes have a wide audience and acceptance among people that ought to know better, people that are pissing away a torrent of this society’s and other society’s resources in transmitting supposed knowledge.
And to what end? Not to build civilization but its opposite, to denigrate people, to sow division, to propagate nonsense, to falsify history.
OK the name calling is tacky and because you find it disturbing, for you ProCon, because I respect what you say and the spirit in which you say it, then I’ll cease and desist. As for my ideas, if they look weak, people can attack them all they like and I’ll defend them to the best of my ability or learn something and concede defeat.
I read your answers. You never answered the question I put to you. You sidestepped it. I suspect it’s because you have no answers.
All you do is blindly conform to the party line devised decades ago by others. You blindly condemn the actions of others that found themselves in terrible circumstances. And you have nothing constructive to say, nothing new to add, no creative lines of thought, no new approaches.
Yes, the dissolution of CFN is proceding apace.
Yes,and theres nothing I can do about it!
Rhino, you are accusing me of all kinds of things for which you must have consulted a thesaurus. You are behind the times. The new meme on CFN is that all Asoka does is steal and cut and paste, so fetch attribution and take it up with the original authors. I am glad you apologized for name calling.
Yes Blacks are people, – Vlad
This is a start, an acknowledgement of a common humanity.
The individual Vlad, the individual, the individual. America is all about the individual. And you can’t go prejudging and condemning an individual because of his skin. You just can’t. It’s unjust, it’s unfair. You know this in your bones, you call yourself a Christian do you not and it’s an offshoot from the Christian idea of treating others as you want to be treated. Basic simple compassion. As you said Blacks are people. This conflict between this idea of basic justice for each and every person and the treatment accorded Black people has been front and center in the public realm in the US for a long long time.
Societal dysfunction is nothing new in humanity and nobody that I know is arguing that there’s not a lot of real dysfuntion in certain segments of black American society.
So what to do about it? I don’t know. Maybe there’s nothing to be done, maybe bad habits get culled naturally over time because they’re bad and people come to recognize it. You act like an asshole, you hurt people and you go to jail. It takes time for some ideas to permeate but sooner or later they do.
You say that Black people are dumb people for the most part. I don’t think so. Black people, as far as I can see, punch far, far above their demographic weight in American culture. They’re a small segment of the overall American population yet their music took America and the world by storm. Not a small accomplishment. Yet they lag in other areas. I acknowledge that too. Other ethnic groups also lag the mainstream, not only Blacks. Sooner or later I predict that as the memory of the bad times for Blacks recede, the bitterness and division subside and they will catch up. You watch.
Now why do you suppose our white snake from Georgia could not say the same already a year or two ago? What is it do you suppose that our white snake from Georgia knows about blacks that you don’t?
Yes, the Music. As Plato said, you can’t change the music of a civilization without changing the civilization. Our Masters knew what they were about when they promulgated Rock for the People. And once made passionate and scattered by that, Rap, Punk, Hip Hop, Heavy Metal to complete their corruption. And Rap and Hip Hop are by far the biggest.
Know I ax you, what kind of Civilization can be created (or maintained) by people who listen to this kind of crap.
You amaze me with your willful supericiality. And you don’t answer my questions any more than Asoka answers your’s. Such as how you can support an Elite who plan to turn Europe over to the Muslims and America over to the Mexicans. How can you laud their victory in WW2? The British Veterans are wiser: countless WW2 vets have said they wouldn’t have lifted a finger if they knew this is what the Elite had in mind.
Yeah and Homo Erectus was “people” too. Their brain was little more than half the size of our’s but since they were in the Homo line (as opposed to the Australopithecus), there is no doubt that we could have bred with them.
Blacks are people too – an earlier cruder version of Homo Sapiens. They have some physical refinements that we don’t have that lead to athletic prowess. But as far as Intellect – nada. To breed with them is to breed down and create a lasting legacy of poverty and crime.
…Nazis and Fascists – which would have saved us from this horrible fate… Vlad
Nazis, fascists and communists put western civilization on its deathbed. They inflicted this horrible fate. They took a continent with a long history of civilizational progress and achievement, killed its best and brightest, reduced it to ashes and left it a demoralized graveyard.
Yes, western and European civilization “recovered” in a sense. It repaired the physical damage. Life, after a fashion, went on. Life was “good”. Most people had more than enough food, they went to cafes, they enjoyed the cinema. But, even after the demise of the Soviet Empire, the west never recovered its belief in itself.
And this collective self doubt, the shock and dismay at what had been done took root in the US. After the Great Depression and WW2 the US, which was the last hope, lost its will to live. Among the glittering American elite it became fashionable to adopt a sneering anti-establishment pose even when they WERE the establishment. It became de rigueur to reflexively deplore their own country.
And I blame the nazis the fascists and the communists for all of this. There’s no justification for what they did. Murderers all.
The Constitution (article 1 section 8) says government is to: provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
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Note that the wording of ^art 1 sec 8^ is slightly different than the Preamble to the Constitution which says provide for the common Defence and promote the general Welfare
…and that one word makes all the difference.
Note also these interpretive comments on the subject appearing in Wikipedia:
Confusion about the meaning of “promote the general Welfare” lies at the heart of whether we are or should be a socialist nation.
A total misunderstanding of history: they were fighting the SAME people who are killing us now: the International Bankers. And also fighting the degenerate culture they so love to foist upon the People in the arts, media, “lifestyle” etc.
Weimer Germany was a cesspool of pornography and prostitution. Hitler looked into it and what did he find? Yes, the Jews. Modern America is too – and who are the biggest group in this multi-billion dollar industry? Yes, the Jews. And they control the Media and Hollywood as well. Rhino, you are a Republican Historian in Name Only. Read Pat Buchanon’s books and get a clue.
“I have reached the conclusion after five seven years of worrying about peak oil that it simply will not happen”
Kunster’s error is to assume that the trends he sees much more clearly than most are rapidly developing ones.
The fossil fuel era will span a few hundred years. It is not going to die a sudden death.
I believe Kunstler’s views on where mankind is headed are liable to largely prove true, but not as quickly as he thinks.
Apocalysts can be right in seeing where things are headed but way wrong when it comes to the timetable.
Case in point, Paul Ehrlich’s notorious bet with cornucopianist economist Julian Simon (not sure I remember his name correctly, which Ehrlich lost bigtime because his predictions for resource depletion didn’t come true.
Fossil fuel era is several hundreds of years long. It is not going to stop dead in its tracks.
Mankind is liable to die off from lack of fossil fuels but that is not happening tomorrow. Maybe not even in the 21st century.
Sooner or later I predict that as the memory of the bad times for Blacks recede, the bitterness and division subside and they will catch up. You watch.
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Depending on where you want to begin counting the years, it has been either 147 or 47 years during which there has been amazingly little progress in the assimilation of blacks into mainstream American culture.
I seriously doubt that anyone commenting on this blog will live long enough (watching out) to confirm whether your prediction “the bitterness and division [will] subside and they will catch up” has proved accurate.
how you can support an Elite who plan to turn Europe over to the Muslims and America over to the Mexicans
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Pay attention, Vlad!
You know all this already but you’re too emotionally blinded by your childhood programming to connect the dots and see the big picture.
Islam = Vatican
just like
Al-Qaeda = CIA/Vatican
just like
Litvaks = Vatican
They don’t care whether you’re a brainwashed Litvak Jew or a brainwashed Moroccan Jihadist or a brainwashed Mexican Catholic. They only care that you are brainwashed and obedient to them, that you don’t question their authority. At the top, the Litvaks, the Jihadists, the Catholics, are all controlled by the same people. The same reptiles at the Vatican. Europe and the US are being swamped by these retrograde brainwashed populations because in both Europe and the US the general population has shown the Vatican the finger and refuses to accept its authority. It’s really that simple, Vlad.
They want obedient workers. They want obedient slaves, to feed their parasitism. That’s really what it’s all about.
how you can support an Elite who plan to turn Europe over to the Muslims and America over to the Mexicans
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Pay attention, Vlad!
You know all this already but you’re too emotionally blinded by your childhood programming to connect the dots and see the big picture.
Islam = Vatican
just like
Al-Qaeda = CIA/Vatican
just like
Litvaks = Vatican
They don’t care whether you’re a brainwashed Litvak Jew or a brainwashed Moroccan Jihadist or a brainwashed Mexican Catholic. They only care that you are brainwashed and obedient to them, that you don’t question their authority. At the top, the Litvaks, the Jihadists, the Catholics, are all controlled by the same people. The same reptiles at the Vatican. Europe and the US are being swamped by these retrograde brainwashed populations because in both Europe and the US the general population has shown the Vatican the finger and refuses to accept its authority. It’s really that simple, Vlad.
They want obedient workers. They want obedient slaves, to feed their parasitism. That’s really what it’s all about.
Don’t make assumptions about my own race, ethnicity, nationality, citizenship, place of origin or current abode. I will say that our extended family spread itself since the 1800s and maybe earlier over Europe, North and South America, Asia and the Middle East. I could be Hungarian Jew, Spanish Roma or French of Algerian origin for all you know. And English is not my first language. That’s all I’ll say. I really like my anonymity.
As far as superficiality goes, do you think Duke Ellington is superficial? Or Nat King Cole? There’s a multitude of sublimely skilled Black musicians and composers. Can you make music?
Blacks are people too – an earlier cruder version of Homo Sapiens. – Vlad
Who says?
But as far as Intellect – nada. – Vlad
Come off it, you don’t even believe that.
As far as celebrating the demise of the nazis and the fascists goes our family lost people to those pigs.
OK as far as avoiding questions, I try not to. So what issues did you bring up that I ignored? Maybe it’s old age catching up.
You can say what you like about Wall Street bankers. I have no use for that gang.
“To breed with them is to breed down and create a lasting legacy of poverty and crime.”
I believe this statement should be backed up with facts or evidence.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe 500 years from now black people will still be a segregated minority that will not get with the predominant culture.
But I don’t think that “emancipation” ended the trouble that blacks in America faced. I think there started to be some progress in the 1960s but in human affairs these things often proceed by small increments.
Cultures and people in general are unpredictable and stubborn things. Sometimes they change by leaps and bounds but sometimes they don’t. Maybe you’re right, we won’t ever know in our lifetime.
Blacks were never really given a chance to forget they were slaves. When Moses led the Israelite slaves out of Egypt, they had to wonder the Sinai for 40 years so that the old generation of slaves would pass away and a new generation with a new spirit of free men could be established. Blacks never got this chance in the US. (And I’m not sure they ever will). It’s not a coincidence that blacks that migrate to the US from places where they were free do much better than the local indigenous US blacks.
Afternoon Headless, Would you like chickens with that coop! Sorry Q, I didn’t mean to step on your toes. Also, Xhalor where is all the old iron flying around? I love old machines, cars, planes motorcycles, guns, even washing machines for that matter. I just came from the plumbing supply shop and they had a beautiful old copper tubbed washer. The counter guy said it still works. Try that with your Chinese widget! Brought a tear to my grizzled ol’ eyes.
Now why do you suppose our white snake from Georgia could not say the same already a year or two ago? – Mika
Better late than never.
What is it do you suppose that our white snake from Georgia knows about blacks that you don’t? – Mika
I don’t know. What do you think it might be?
Good points.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Better late than never.
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I’ve seen you say it. I didn’t see him say it. So why better late than never?
How long will it take Jews to whine their way out of feeling “ve iz so poisecuted, oy”?
The human race is better off w/o Julian Simon, gawd what a creep. Amd Beltway Uber Cornyakopeen!
‘Case in point, Paul Ehrlich’s notorious bet with cornucopianist economist Julian Simon (not sure I remember his name correctly, which Ehrlich lost bigtime because his predictions for resource depletion didn’t come true’
Yes you have his name right. Dumped a drink on someone at a party, read about that.
But the facts are damning about ‘the bet,and the Ehrlichs’.
The Ehrlichs are right, but as JHK points out in his excellent bookie the fact of the ‘Green GMO Revolution’ increased our numbers and staved off the die off by some decades.
Kinda like whats goin on in Africa if ya get my drift.
ALSO THE BET WAS NOT ABOUT COMMODITIES BUT THE PRICE OF CERTAIN COMMODITIES IN A SELECT GROUP.
Now with the privatizing of WATER, well all should be so shicked as to be speechless.
Indeed. But perhaps Tobor is right: modern industry just does not require the same amount of labor as its earlier versions. So Free Money or Credit might be the only reasonable answer in terms of efficiency and compassion. With one blow, the Human Service Parasitiic Establisment would be decimated. And people would no longer be blamed and have to crawl to these reptiles in order to survive.
Of course the stipend would have to be a bare minimum and it would be a point of pride to be able to land a job and have more. So competition and initiative would not be destroyed by this system. The Reptiles on the other hand, will destroy it in order to attain absolute power.
“Angry Man” said:
Why are you still here, week after week after week after week? Go away already.
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And why do you bore the crap out of people HOUR AFTER HOUR AFTER HOUR AFTER HOUR AFTER HOUR?? Your modus operandi, that all evil issues from the Vatican, is stock-in-trade for a typical ignorant blog troll with schizoid tendencies.
Get a life, you dumb Hebe.
E.
“So Free Money or Credit might be the only reasonable answer in terms of efficiency and compassion.”
“Makow quotes from the 1938 interrogation of C. G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolsevism and a Trotsky intimate. Rakovsky was tried in show trials in the USSR under Stalin. According to Rakovsky, Hitler was at first funded by the international bankers, through the bankers’ agent Hjalmar Schacht. The bankers financed Hitler in order to control Stalin, who had usurped power from their agent Trotsky. Then Hitler became an even bigger threat than Stalin when Hitler started printing his own money.
(Stalin came to power in 1922, which was eleven years before Hitler came to power.)
Rakovsky said:
“Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?” (Henry Makow, “Hitler Did Not Want War,” http://www.savethemales.com March 21, 2004).
http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-hitler-defied-bankers.html
And a blue eyed reptitlian devil dog Switzer will have your Dvora – and there’s not a thing you can do about it.
The Vatican wrote the Koran. Ladies and Germs – just contemplate the utter inanity of that staement and consider the madness of the mind from which it came. Sometimes it helps to put a frame around something in order to see it in a new light.
Thank you Messi, for giving the Devil his Due. During the “Sitzkrieg” or false war stage in the occupied Netherlands, several Nazi Agents posed as German Underground. They met with British Agents and asked what they could do to stop the coming war. The British said kill Hitler, suppress the Nazi Party, AND RETURN TO THE GOLD STANDARD – and of course Germany had no gold so would be opened again to the financial rapists.
The Gold/Silver standard is written into our Constitution and might be worth a try again. But many fear what the Internationalists can do with it. Look at how they are kepping the metals down even now. And all our Federal Gold may be gone as well, we don’t know. In the future we might have to be flexible and go to social credit. Again, very awkward since one doesn’t play lightly with ones Constituion but there may be no choice.
It is common knowledge that the Black Crime rate is far above that of any other group. And that a low IQ and a high crime rate go together. And that these traits are largely physical, i.e hormonal levels (elevated T) and a smaller, less convoluted brian and thus, iheritable.
Also a matter of record that crime and poverty don’t have a one to one correspondence altho obviously related. The American Indians are the poorest group but Blacks the most violent. Another Marxist Pin is knocked to the ground by the Bowling Ball of Truth.
Agreed, with several caveats…
The debts are so extreme all around (7.7 Trillion that we know of in this country), that at some point we all just say “Its all forgiven” its just paper and “fiat” anyway. Thats one out , no one owes anyone else anything would work.
The point you have made about another market quake is where we part company. This last go around nearly caused a run on the banks, we are in such bad shape worldwide that another ruction will be our last hurrah – globally.
The other x factor or unknown is if there is another meltdown the 99% ers might not be so sanguine this next time – think Greece and whats about to happen there, they will default , not live up to their side of the bargain and Germany will say “no bailout” and you will have a failed state to contend with that has a “new ” drachma that no one will trade with.
Then political extremism will ensue. The rest of Europe and the USA is not far behind Greece, we have just printed money to buy time – thats all that is going on. A further downturn will not stand, we will crash.
Q,
I’ve read enough Krugman to recognize his “voice”. And even though I detected the voice of Krugman in Asoka’s post I let it slide; after all, I knew that the lack of attribution would rouse you from your rocking chair and nudge you to post after a short nap.
As far as money, does it really have any inherent value? Why is gold more valuable than a dirt clod? Obviously, the notion of inherent value is a constructed convention that lacks one hundred percent consensus among people, hence your lament over the potential for inflation.
Those underwater would like to see house prices rise so they can escape their dilemma. Similarly, you might welcome an increase in your own home’s value. Moreover, your mention of the “haves’ being screwed by inflation is a joke. Deflation almost always favors the ‘haves’ who swoop down like vultures to scour the land for pennies on the dollar only to hold on to their advantage until “inflation” amplifies their investment.
And what better signifies the malicious “haves’ than members of the most privileged generation complaining about inflation when it was inflation that elevated their own bed and fluffed up their over-stuffed pillows? Meanwhile, the future of America suffers the prospect of crushing student loan debt as a result of suffocating deflation.
But your generation doesn’t give a damn about that Q. You would rather wave the banner of that tired old GOP bullshit about the “haves” being ripped off.
More and more, I have come to despise your wicked generation.
At any rate, you’re better than your post Q. By lending credence to the myth of inherent value while ignoring the historical reality of inflation/deflation manipulation by the hands of “The Haves” you come off as disingenuous. Perhaps a job at Fox News awaits.
Vell, Shnark. ve’ll sthtop vining ven ve shtop being poisecuted by pipple like you, may Gott hef moicy upon your rotten soil.
You stupid goy. If you thought things through with an open mind (assuming you have a mind), you’d see that maybe Mika is on to something.
Asshole said:
You stupid goy. If you thought things through with an open mind (assuming you have a mind), you’d see that maybe Mika is on to something.
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Defending your fellow Kike who has threatened no less than four people with bodily harm? How quaint. How RACIST. How so much like you, Bill.
Oh, if I “thought things through”, I’d see that Mika was onto something would I?? Like this raving lunatic has a more circumspect, rational mind than I do which itself is a parody.
Stay on CFN and make 10-30 posts per day, Bill, like Kike Boy, Asoka, and and the critical mass of crazies on this god forsaken cyber-backwater. You all belong here and the hours you spill here means you’re off the streets and not bothering the townspeople where you live.
And now you even have a 9/11 “troofer” who posted of late. Such a perfect fit!!! The inmates are running this asylum.
E.
Gold and fiat money both serve the same purpose – as a medium of exchange. Economic trouble comes when the government spends more than it takes in. Simple as that. When fiat money is in use, the U.S. government is allowed to print money to make up for any shortfalls. With the increase in paper, the value of that money is thus watered down by supply and demand. That’s monetary inflation.
If gold is the standard, unless the government accumulates more gold and doesn’t use it, the supply is fixed. With an increase in spending, which occurs annually – brought about by government interest payment on its debt, and by an increase in population – then by supply and demand (the same supply of money, with an increase in demand), everything gets costlier, or in other words, inflation occurs.
So what’s the difference, in real world terms, between fiat money and gold? Nothing. The issue is that the US government can’t spend more than it takes in. The government doesn’t produce anything, so it can’t expect more future income from increased production, like a business or a person. It can only tax more, but that takes away more financial resources from the public. Because interest due is an exponential mathematical function, and production increase is not, everyone can’t keep up.
Add in outright theft from the public by the financial industry, in collusion with the government, more wars, and the loss of wealth becomes frightenly exacerbated.
I really don’t want to clog up the blog with all this bullshit, so I’m not going to reply, as per my one post response policy for racism.
But I really am curious why first, you read the comments if you can’t stand them, and second, why you would engage with people you think are nuts or stupid? Enquiring minds want to know.
The only exercise Mika gets is jumping to conclusions.
Great picture of Bustin’s new girlfriend, Global Warmist Kari Norgaard.
http://vault-co.blogspot.com/2012/05/professor-kari-norgaard.html
OK, another day of medical (mis)adventures –
And I may have to run back out –
So I may not answer some of your questions today-
But I will get to them, before the end of the week.
If I don’t get run over by a bambulance.
Let me throw out a challenge to you boys and girls, let me to a little (peak oil related? remember peak oil?), and let me get a drink and some supper.
The challenge –
Find the worst antisemitic thing I’ve ever put in print on CFN.*
Find the worst racist thing I’ve ever put in print on CFN.*
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Only 4 rules for this treasure hunt.
Individual attacks on individual posters don’t count – since we are a nation of individuals.
Decrying tribalism doesn’t count – since the US is made of 100’s of tribes by now, the only way forward is for all of us to acknowledge that all of us are racist/tribal, and move forward by reducing our old ways.
Saying that white people need a polite professional group to advocate for their interest doesn’t count – since every other tribe/group has its own advocacy group, already, and there needs to be a way to point this out – politely.
Posting Fred, or agreeing that a post or link of any type is “generally true,” doesn’t count.
*I don’t think there is anything racist OR antisemitic, BTW, but all of you should have a fun evening looking in the archives.
Now – coming up:
-Medicine, Culture, and Energy Descent
-a p2c tale-
The Vatican wrote the Koran.
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Yes, the Vatican wrote the Koran. And not only that, it also supplied the funding and the weapons for Muhmud to take on four very well established and extremely powerful Jewish tribes in Medina.
Surely you don’t believe the official propaganda story that an illiterate epileptic wrote the Koran, when he obviously couldn’t read or write. Or that this same illiterate epileptic was capable of raising the stupendous sums of money needed to arm and field an army. And not just any army, but an army powerful enough and militarily capable to take on well established and extremely well seasoned fighters. If you believe that the illiterate epileptic Muhmud was capable of such all on his own, like the brainwashed morons that bang their heads against the floor 5 times a day, you’ll believe anything.
So now you have to ask: why Muhmud? What was so special about Muhmud? Who was Muhmud connected with that would allow that someone to remain in the shadows, while the illiterate epileptic is kept in the limelight, to take credit that does not belong to him. Well, unlike you, other people asked that question. We know the answer. And the answer leads straight to the Vatican.
Thank you, Bill. Don’t bother to sully yourself with that nazi shit. I can handle him just fine by myself.
Btw, “Tark” is our old white snake, aka, PC.
And a blue eyed reptitlian devil dog Switzer will have your Dvora – and there’s not a thing you can do about it.
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LOL! And what gave you that idea?
Excellent retort, Bud.
I am no stranger to death.
I have seen it in its unvarnished state out in the real world. I have seen it, more times than I care to recall, in its “clinical” state in too many hospitals. I have seen enough of it.
And I have seen – God I don’t know how many, but too many – attempts by undertakers to hide the above facts, while taking money from distraught families.
I have helped my mom work through her grief at the death of her one and only husband, seemingly in the peak of his health and early retirement. A lot of her grief was that he died suddenly and alone – even though he was an independent man, who had seen plenty of war and death himself – and who probably would have wanted to die suddenly and alone, sparing her.
23 years after that, I held my mom’s hand as she died. 3 months ago, I held the foot of his bed, as my father-in-law passed away. (Much bigger family – I couldn’t work my way to the head of the bed on that one.)
I have grieved with my own sons, the death’s of these two beloved grandparents, all of us knowing full will that some day they will do the same thing with my grandchildren, if we’re lucky and they bury me – which is the way it is supposed to go.
Twice now, I have watched my older son – a tough as nails metro firefighter, who has seen more death up close at age 28 –
than probably all of you blog rats of CFN put together ever will, except RT.
watched those big shoulders silently quake with sobs – because there is nothing like family done right. And that’s some tribalism that we should all lay claim to.
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Whoa – didn’t mean to bum y’all out quite that bad. And I still haven’t gotten to the peak oil tie-in. And, actually, my mom-in-law is doing pretty well, all things considered, and will probably be released to a skilled nursing facility in a couple of days – hopefully to get out in a couple of weeks and go back home.
Hopefully.
I’ve been touring nursing homes today for the family, solo. Brought up some bad memories.
Anyone who strongly opposes assisted suicide for the terminally bedridden – has some strange issues that need to be examined.
And there is a tottering house of medical cards in the US, that is ultimately not going to be sustainable.
Excellent retort, Bud.
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I can’t think of anything more valueless than praise from a Horse’s Ass unless it’s praise from a Horse’s Ass who gets your name wrong. Whew! what a Horse’s Ass!!
Politics as they exist now are a complete and total waste of anyone’s time, because all the whores involved still believe there is endless oil, endless growth, and when either the supplies of resources needed to sustain exponential growth run dry or the ability of the collapsing US dollar to purchase them is rendered worth less than toilet paper as a means of exchange, these knuckleheads will blame it on trying to manipulate the “free market” that has supposedly served us so well. I like what the late Frank Zappa said about Ronald Reagan sometime in the 80s. “Next time you see Reagan on the television, turn the volume all the way down, and tell your kid ‘if this man offers you candy, a ride in his car, or asks you to go fight in Nicaragua, tell him NO”. Likewise, when Obama talks, tell your kids the same about Afghanistan, Iran, or anywhere else the US plans to force the US petro dollar or swipe other nation’s oil. The joyride is over, but none of the politicians realize it or are willing to talk about it. The staggering amount of energy it takes to wage warfare and keep the military machine going will likely make future “liberation” or worse yet, “humamitarian” missions, like deep offshore drilling or shale/oil sands production, a net energy loss.
What will the boneheads in the Pentagon be thinking when their country starts to collapse one house and business after another? They will probably try to commandeer what little preciuos oil is at our disposal to try and keep the entropic, energy guzzling and resource wasting military machine going, and attempt to impose martial law on the masses and allow the banks to continue to extract their pound of flesh from a shocked and suddenly destitute american populace, now hungry and in the dark shivering in the cold.
Life will become cheap, there will be violence and blood in the streets as well as across the planet and people fight each other over the remaining scraps. The federal government will likely stay intact during the initial phases of collapse, but internal dissension, rebellion from the masses, and most importantly, the lack of energy to run those 12,700 armored vehicles along with the 450,000 rounds of hollow point bullets the “department of homeland security” supposedly recently obtained will run out of gas, the rounds will be spent, and the will the use them against people from an empire that failed will wane. Instead of pouring the remaining fossil fuels into renewable and sustainable energy systems, the US has been poisoned with its national chauvanism and testosterone flag waving idiocy and certainly will waste it trying to prop up their goddamned military and keeping the sheeple afraid, yet meek and obedient.
Meantime, pull up a chair if you can stand listening to these bastards chatter on about more jobs, expanding the economy, spending more, “liberating” this or that country, etc etc ad naseum. The rules of the game have changed, the old ways are gone. Finished. End of story. No more growth. Contraction, deindustrialization, and more expensive energy as a prelude to collapse. The auto industry, the retirement industry, even the educational system is doomed to collapse (how many years of college would it take to teach people how to chop their own firewood or grow your own food?). Everything will be localized and much more agrarian with simple barter. The transition will be a nightmare. Dmitry Orlov was/is right. Politics is a complete waste of time, as well as the variuos talking heads and their fictitious exponential growth, endless oil,”free markets” and technology will save us type of fecal spew. The disaster is unfolding and will run its course and you will have to figure out how to fashion your own lifeboat or go down with all the rats and assholes who thought the USS Good Life could never sink, those who listened to the politicians, that believed in the tooth fairy, Sanata Clause, Jesus, Allah, and all that other mystical superstitious hocus pocus/bullshit. Hopefully, we can attach lead weights to the lawyers and politicians and Wall Street pigs/cock suckers who got us into the mess to begin with as a gesture of our gratitude
Bud as in Buddy. Now we’re all waiting for reply to Buck. We know you read it. But I have a feeling we’ll be waiting for a very long time. Maybe in the meantime, you can bore us with stories of your family members passing away. God knows you can use our sympathies, idiot.
waiting for ^your reply to Buck
the tooth fairy, Sanata Clause, Jesus, Allah, and…
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I think this is what they call ol’ Saint Nick down in Ecuador, Brazil or wherever Asoka is: Sanata Clause.
You been drinkin again Mich?
Hey Prog, No stranger to the reaper here. 31 years on the bone box. I could make your head spin. As Walter Brennan said in “The Guns of Will Sonnet” No Brag just Fact, Walter Brennan went on to win three Oscars matched only by Jack Nickleson. I lost Ma in the 7th grade. I’ve given’ many relatives the “Final Ride”. Sheet. Somebody had to do it. The city hall screwed up my vaca time. I thought i was done but I have two shifts left. Bummer!
As we watch this discussion thread slowly, but slowly, circle the toilet –
Let us ask, why?
First up, asoka.. He’s posted the longest, to my knowledge. He’s the most detrimental to a variety of true divergent viewpoints and to anything like reasonable discussion.
So why is he here?
3 possibilities:
1. JHK pays him. Consider; JHK has an atypical reasonable streak on gay marriage, on immigration, and on race relations. Maybe asoka. is supposed to offset that for some reason.
But, asoka. has been banned, twice – from “asoka” to “soak” to “asoka.” Why would JHK ban his paid own poster?
2. Asoka. is a paid shill for someone else. Say ExxonMobil hired him to screw up the dialog here. Possible, but unlikely. Did you see the story where paid voice actors are hired with corporate/lobbyist money to call in to talk radio shows, like Limbaugh? In a country as pimped out and whored up as the US of A – who would worry about this quiet little blog? (no offense, JHK.)
3. Asoka. is a paid shill for one of JHK’s enemies. JHK certainly has enemies. Have you looked at his “Hate Mail?”
But, you would think, after all this time – that JHK would have caught on and banned his “enemy’s poster.” Free speech has its limits. And asoka. definitely hurts JHK’s bottom line.
This brings us to the nastiest possibility – for what it says about Mr. Multitudes “real” underlying character.
4. This is the worst possibility. Asoka. is just a selfish hater, of JHK, or something.
Think about it. Asoka. undercuts JHK’s message repeatedly. He attacks new posters, often driving them away.
He deliberately cuts into JHK’s site visits – from inquisitive new posters, especially – those who might actually BUY a Freakin’ BOOK from our host.
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What do you think ladies and gents?
Anybody else have a theory.
And before Bill and Buck leap to asoka.’s defense – let’s consider how shallow that shows them to be.
They already get all “giggly happy” when he says something nice about them.
Not very much pride on your parts, boys, when you think about it.
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Talk about your useless parasite, JHK.
Consider asoka. – if you wonder why your hard work on this blog doesn’t make you as much money as it, by rights, should.
Why do you hurt JHK, week after week, a..
Has he wronged you, in the past?
Is that why you promise to quit posting in 7 (now 6.5) years?
Is that when you think the endless wheel of karma will be balanced? Doesn’t work like that.
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Q, Mich is trying to tell us something important… and you are pointing out a typographical error?
The most important question has nothing to do with fiscal policy or money supply. It has to do with geopolitics: What is the minimum EROI that a modern industrial society must have for its energy system for that society to survive?
That is the question we should be addressing. Not race, not religion, not immigration, not diet, not deaths in the family.
Complex societies need a high EROI built on a large primary energy base.
That is what we should be focused on, but mainstream economists are too busy focusing on monetary policy, the impact of fiscal austerity or the need for labor reforms.
Just as the industrial revolution was built on coal, the post-second-world-war economy was built on cheap oil.
Peak oil is our most important concern. There will surely be a significant impact if it has gone for good in 45 years.
“I’ve given’ many relatives the “Final Ride”. Sheet. Somebody had to do it.” -RT-
Thanks for reminding me, RT!
Seriously.
Somebody, indeed, has to do it.
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Keep your head down, dude!
Just two more!
But, asoka. has been banned, twice – from “asoka” to “soak” to “asoka.” Why would JHK ban his paid own poster?
Whoa, P2C. JHK has never been late in paying me. We try to keep things real and the fake banning and handle change evidently worked.
2. Asoka. is a paid shill for someone else. Say ExxonMobil hired him to screw up the dialog here.
Whoa, P2C. You are not supposed to know about the ExxonMobil disinformation campaign. Did Wikileaks provide you with documents. But ExxonMobil has never been late in paying me. I get bonuses every time you say I am a resident impediment. So, I have to thank you because Social Security doesn’t go far.
Free speech has its limits. And asoka. definitely hurts JHK’s bottom line.
Whoa, P2C. Free speech on CFN is alive and well. For the last 7 years I have been free to say whatever pops into my head, with no concern for logic or rationality, and JHK has not gone broke… in spite of the size of the checks he sends me regularly.
Right now our problem is not lack of energy, but lack of the good income jobs, and lack of jobs, period. So the question should be why that is so. The answer has to do the allocation of capital and why it is that only a select group of unelected and unaccountable parasites have access to this capital.
‘What do you think ladies and gents?’
How many years have people been allowed to post here? 3?
I believe this was posited 2 or 3 years ago, that he may be paid by the oil companies to ‘undermine discussion here’!
I think hes a ‘wily devil’ who likes contradicting folks, as much as he can!
Jump? Or take flying leaps?
What is the minimum EROI that a modern industrial society must have
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Oh man do I ever hear ya. Minimum EROI is practically the only thing I ever think of – morning, noon and night…even in my nightmares. You too, huh?
4. This is the worst possibility. Asoka. is just a selfish hater, of JHK, or something.
Whoa, P2C. Your personal hatred for me, your absolute contempt for me, could, possibly, be affecting your opinion.
See my post of May 8, 2012 9:54 PM where I posit this question:
What is the minimum EROI that a modern industrial society must have for its energy system for that society to survive?
This seems to be fundamental:
Complex societies need a high EROI built on a large primary energy base.
This is what we should be discussing instead of wasting bandwidth pop psychoanalyzing one poster who irritates you.
And YES … we should reduce world population. But NO … bickering over what national immigration policy to adopt does not achieve the goal of a negative global population growth.
Pew Hispanic Center researchers have issued a new report on Mexican migration to the United States in which they say there has been virtually no increase since 2007.
Changing policies on LEGAL immigration also does not reduce global population.
With energy contraction we must not just do replacement reproduction (ZPG), like you did.
We must decide to have no children (NPG), like I did by getting a vasectomy before having children.
No, the only thing you think about are titties. And I didn’t even wear my Sherlock Holmes hat to come to this conclusion. You told me this yourself.
Still waiting for your reply to Buck.
You are the first person I have met who shares the experience of having nightmares about EROI. Thank you for your support, bro.
Like you, I obsess over the ratio of gross energy produced by an energy supply process to the total, direct plus indirect, energy cost of its production.
Like you, I know if the EROI of an energy supply process is known, then it’s net energy output can be derived easily given gross production data.
Our future depends on it and that is why my sleep is disturbed by EROI nightmares.
“Defending your coreligionist* who has threatened no less than four people with bodily harm? How quaint. How RACIST. How so much like you, Bill.
Oh, if I “thought things through”, I’d see that Mika was onto something would I?? Like this raving lunatic has a more circumspect, rational mind than I do which itself is a parody.”
-E, edited slightly* for politeness-
E, you are correct, of course. Mika is crazy.
Anyway, I’ve got a couple of new theories:
I used to think Mika was somebody’s hateful caricature of a crazy racist Jew. I mean – talking about how desirable GENOCIDE for Blue Eyed Blonds would be – on a public website.
Crazy, right.
Then Mika let slip that he was HIMSELF a blue eyed blond. And he let slip that he and his friends all loathed the US, partially because of their Russian schoolbooks.
And I got to thinking – those of a certain age in the US will remember when elementary school teachers would divide their classes up into “brown eyes” vs. “blue eyes,” as a lesson on racism.
Schools had to stop.
Kids with brown eyes would go too far, deliberately hurting the “blue eyes,” in their classrooms. And this was in the US.
Imagine how much worse it would have been for Mika, in Russia.
Severely scarring experiences – at a young age – can warp a person for life, absent years of therapy.
So he’s legit, I’ve decided.
And his hate is understandable, though deplorable and unfortunate, still.
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Bill, though? I mean, WTF!!
What would make an American, of Jewish ancestry, defend a poster who advocates GENOCIDE, on the open internet???
And not just defend GENOCIDE, referentially in this manner – but defend GENOCIDE, “TO THE DEATH.”
Seriously!! It doesn’t make sense.
Then it hit me.
BILL – Bill is the hateful caricature, created by someone on Stormfront, or some worse place.
That’s the only possible and logical explanation, that I can see.
Makes me feel a little better, anyway.
Q, who wouldn’t have EROI nightmares after realizing that our current EROI models range from 10 to 25, depending on how energy costs have been defined.
In comparison, it has been estimated that the EROI of U.S. domestic petroleum extraction in the 1930s was approximately 100.
This is what makes sleep difficult. We are fucked!
Not yet, been reading alot. Cross referencing James Kunstler’s writing with that of Richard Heinberg and Dmitry Orlov, reflecting on the insanity unfolding in the world right now, and how hopeless it all seems. It is enough to make one wish to drink if one is at all honest and objective. My father taught me how to live in the woods, ironically I am in a better position to survive the transition from this anomaly, this brief period called the “industrial area”, but most of the people I know will snap and lose their minds if they cannot watch Sunday night football on their HD flat screen televisions. I am trapped in this insane asylum that has came to be known as Western “civilization”, but in the woods the scent of fresh air blowing through the trees fills my soul, the critters in nature are my friends, and the only time I really feel at peace is when I am out in the woods….until people start to chop them down in masse as natural gas is depleting rapidly and there is not enough time to retrofit your automatic gas furnaces for coal, which is dirty and destructive to air and water and will only last a few decades at best. Say goodbye to the trees. Now it is time to drink and wonder how people such as yourself could be so destructive and out of touch with nature, how this cancer that came here from Europe wasn’t content with deforesting and slowly poisoning the European continent, now they have done the same here and are on the brink of rendering not only the human race but all life on the planet extinct. I do believe in karma, and it will prove to be a bitch for many of you. So many are in denial and completely unprepared for the collapse which is unfolding, so few are willing to fight back. These are the things I cannot understand
P2C, stop attacking Bill and Mika. Please. Stop obsessing about immigrants, legal or illegal.
Let’s get back to a topic more germane to CFN, like: EROI.
You harm our host –
You have driven away an unknown, though large, number of posters.
These posters found JHK on the open internet, made a comment or two –
encountered The Resident Impediment –
And left.*
Sorry JHK.
Asoka. won’t apologize, though.
Selfish!
*Tark is the most recent example.
What a deliberately facile, inane response you made to him – completely out of the context of his post.
Why do you harm JHK, week after week like this?
What has he ever done to you?
Yes, yes Anti Soak…Mika takes flying leaps like a turbocharged super hamster.
Since we are on the verge of an economy without fossil fuels, an economy literally built from the ground (World Made By Hand), we should also consider biointensive farms that use no fossil fuels to be an appropriate topic for CFN.
We on CFN need to learn more about quantifying and summarizing total human labor–energy input and total caloric energy output, to successfully design farms that can produce a positive energy-return-on-investment (EROI) leaving excess caloric energy available for building economic-community structures (e.g., schools and hospitals).
Farm products with negative EROI must be coupled with other products with positive EROI to assure nutritionally balanced diets are maintained while still achieving an overall positive EROI for the total agro-ecological operation.
We, the denizens of CFN, need to realize that similar to the ecosystem, energy budgets are tight, which makes for difficult decisions on diet, farm plot diversity, and energy profitability for our future survival.
Considering the totality of this low energy agro-system based economy, we need to simplify many operational variables into a unique graphical solution space, to reveal both reasonable expectations of agro-ecological EROI performance, and extreme asymptotes, beyond which indicate regions of system failure, in other words, beyond which we are so fucked.
In case you haven’t noticed, I am trying to focus discussion on EROI and away from bickering about who posts what and why they post it. Bill and Mika are good people, but they are victims of your OCD.
I am posting on EROI because our survival depends on understanding EROI and how positive EROI can assure nutritionally balanced diets are maintained while still achieving an overall positive EROI for the total agro-ecological operation. Don’t tell me you have never had an EROI nightmare.
Read Richard Heinberg’s “The Party Is Over”. The importance of energy and the laws the govern it are key to everything, living or non living, organic or inorganic….life itself would not be possible without energy. Societies and ecosystems thrive or fail based on their energy use strategies and adaptations. As societies become more complex, their energy capture strategies become less effective, less beneficial until they fail because of mismanagement of energy. That is why the Romans, the Mayans, the British empire (declined/atrophied to almost nothing until the North Sea oil gave it a temporary shot in the arm), the former USSR, and now the likely former USA collapse. They overstretch and their energy strategies are subject to the law of dimishing returns, so over time, they collapse for the same reason. It has everything to do with energy
You guys, meaning Procon, Vlad, E, Anti-Soak and a few others are really spoiled little brats.
Because of your posts, the comment section gets sidetracked every week from its main purposes: to discuss peak resources, the dumbing down of America and the attempt by those with power to subvert the middle class. The discussions here would then be of much higher value than the petty ad hominem attacks.
I suspect that JHK doesn’t read much of the comments section. If he did, he wouldn’t allow some of the posters to continue here. I’d guess he scans the first several posts on Monday morning – sometimes – and then forgets about it until the next Monday. So it’s up to us to control the quality of comments here. Those of goodwill ought to ignore all the hateful posts. I know it’s extremely difficult to do that.
Exactly, Michigan Native, it does have everything to do with energy, specifically with energies with a positive EROI.
The oil price instability and the measures taken to reduce the increase in greenhouse gas emissions are the main factors promoting the development and use of environmentally friendly energies with a positive EROI.
For example, take tranportation, please. (apologies to Henny Youngman for those of you old enough to remember) From an energy efficiency point of view, biofuels constitute a renewable energy source and its use helps to reduce energy dependency on fossil fuels.
The most used biofuels for transport worldwide are biodiesel and bioethanol. However, there are other options such as straight vegetable oil. straight vegetable oil can be small-scale produced in local cooperatives through pressing, filtering and conditioning processes which are much simpler than the ones required for biodiesel production.
Studies have compared the two biofuels’ production and their rate of consumption in a vehicle (a truck) to assess which is environmentally advantageous: to use straight vegetable oil directly as biofuel or to convert it to biodiesel.
Calculations show the energy return on investment (EROI) and the environmental benefits are with using straight vegetable oil instead of biodiesel.
Studies utilizing a sensitivity analysis have also been conducted. EROI indexes for straight vegetable oil and biodiesel production show a clear preference for straight vegetable oil as compared to biodiesel.
Shit, Asoka, I wish my last post above didn’t cross with this post of yours. We’re saying pretty much the same thing. Thank you for your comments.
Thank you, Bill. I agree.
Not only should we avoid ad hominem comments, we should re-focus, to have a civil discussion of topics more germane to CFN… like EROI.
LOL! I think we were literally typing at the same time. Great minds think alike!
Great minds need to be thinking about EROI in bioenergy strategies. In the absence of an economy-wide policy such as a carbon tax, two incentive strategies could bring down the cost of bioenergy, making it competitive with fossil
fuels.
The first would see government agree to pay a
set price for emission reductions, effectively putting a “bounty” on carbon.
A second approach would allocate incentives on a dollar-per-unit-energy basis, varying the level of this incentive based on the relative energy quality of each form of hiofuel produced.
But the devil is in the details. Which is the “best” bioenergy option? How much of an incentive for bioenergy do we need? What is the right price for a carbon bounty?
Getting objective answers to these questions involves applying four full lifecycle performance criteria, which should be at the core of bioenergy policy.
They include energy return on investment (EROI), greenhouse gas mitigation efficiency, energy cost effectiveness and carbon cost effectiveness.
Like you, I obsess over the ratio of gross energy produced by an energy supply process to the total, direct plus indirect, energy cost of its production.
Like you, I know if the EROI of an energy supply process is known, then it’s net energy output can be derived easily given gross production data.
Our future depends on it and that is why my sleep is disturbed by EROI nightmares.
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Hey man, I’m with ya, 110%. You’re preachin to the converted.
LOL Nerds
Snake, like your nazi compatriot EL TORO you just become slimier and slimier with every post. A complete degenerate.
Your lies:
1/ You say I advocate genocide, when what I said is that left to yourselves, you bloodthirsty savages will just kill each other to extinction instead of mass murdering others in your genocidal campaigns.
2/ You say I have blue eyes, when I said that I have grey/green eyes.
3/ You say Tark is Asoka, when it is clearly you.
4/ You say Bill is a hateful person, when it is clearly not the case.
5/ You say that Bill, Asoka and I are racists, when it is you who is the racist, and the lying anti-semite, and those you call your friends are the same.
6/ You call me crazy, but my opinions are shared by many many others (as a quick web search will indicate), and more and more people as they become more familiar with history, especially the hidden history that TPTB/Vatican want everyone to be ignorant of.
7/ It is you that constantly clogs this blog with your racist lies to which others like myself, Bill, and others are forced to reply to and correct.
8/ You say I advocate violence, when I always advocate against violence. When I do speak of violence it is to parallel scenarios that show and highlight your hypocrisy by mirroring situations that you deem perfectly acceptable.
I could go on and on.
Snake, I know you find lying amusing. And that’s what makes a snake, snake.
what makes ^you a snake
Q, I know this may be getting a little personal, but, besides EROI nightmares have you ever had nightmares about greenhouse gas mitigation efficiency?
Snake LOL
Q, who wouldn’t have EROI nightmares after realizing that our current EROI models range from 10 to 25, depending on how energy costs have been defined.
In comparison, it has been estimated that the EROI of U.S. domestic petroleum extraction in the 1930s was approximately 100.
This is what makes sleep difficult. We are fucked!
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I Know! I Know!! You don’t have to tell ME. I’m the last person you need to tell.
LOL EROI Nightmares
Yes, no more nukes in Japan. Now they must import natural gas and coal, both of which are due to deplete, natural gas probably within a decade. The one country that has a few decades worth of natural gas is Russia (along with countries in the Middle East). The neocons persisted in atagonizing the bear by embracing hostile break away republics and installing that stupid and likely worthless missile defense shield near its border……so when the lights go out in the US and Japan, they will have to try and kiss up to Russia, who is already on nuclear full alert because of thye latest neocon, Obama, installing the defense shield and leary of a soon to be worthless US dollar. The Japs have always gone along with Uncle Sam, allowing bases and installations to spy on the Russians and the Middle East certainly has no reason to love the US and its allies /satellite regimes, so…..will be interesting to see the lights go out in Japan and life from the oceans is poisoned with radioactivity or levels of mercury that will make seafood dangerous if not lethal to consume. The disasters that await Japan may rival the disasters that the US will face from decades of fiscal recklessness, foreign policy mistakes and abuses, and energy waste and mismanagement
Q, I know this may be getting a little personal, but, besides EROI nightmares have you ever had nightmares about greenhouse gas mitigation efficiency?
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Funny you should bring it up. In those rare brief moments that I am not thinking about minimum EROI or big tits with perfect nipples I am thinking about greenhouse gas mitigation efficiency? You’re a freakin mind reader.
Japs LOL
I could go on and on.
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Oh please NO! Don’t go on! You are such an incredible bore….. as well as a Horse’s Ass.
LOL AN Horse’s Ass
We waste more than half of our energy consumption on the military, war and destruction. This is a hideous waste of energy. Another very significant portion of our wasteful energy consumption goes towards maintaining destructive and predatory monopolies like the automotive industry and the corporations. Our problem today is not a luck of energy. Our problem today lies in a fundamental lack of political accountability and the stupendous mis-allocation of capital and energy to maintain central control by TPTB.
A Horse’s Ass right LOL
LOL Luck of Energy
Incredible! We are on the same wavelength. Sometimes I drift off to sleep thinking that care should be taken to ensure that EROI reflects the full lifecycle of bioenergy crops, including
fertilizing, harvesting and transportation. Corn ethanol has an EROI of about 1.3:1, which means that for every unit of energy put in to making corn ethanol, 1.3 units of bioenergy are produced. Since you are a beancounter, Q, that means a 30-per-cent “return on your investment” in financial terms.
Then, just before falling asleep to brave the EROI nightmares, I realize it is possible to produce liquid biofuels from more productive crops such as switchgrass (a perennial species native to prairies). With the technologies
currently proposed for commercial scale-up, switchgrass could be used to produce ethanol with a projected EROI of 4.4to 6.1:1.
Alternatively, if switchgrass is pressed into piellets or briquettes instead of being used as a feedstock for a liquid biofuel, it can be burned directly for heat energy or in combined heat-and-power systems. This solid biofuel
has an EROI of 12.8:1. Using this system, the net energy gain (or renewable energy profit) from a hectare of farmland is nine times higher than a hectare of land used to produce corn ethanol, making this fuel source an option worth considering for creating bioheat.
Then the nightmares begin about its combustion and how that requires appliances that remove particulate emissions. EROI, particulate emissions scrubbing technology, greenhouse gas mitigation efficiency, etc.
Some nights I get very little sleep.
TPTB LOL
“Of course, you know you’re gonna get neutered.”
I’d throw up too if I had just heard that.
I did my squirrel hunting in Illinois in my youth. Dad had 40 acres of woods out back. Squirrels are the easiest thing in the world to kill. You shoot one and wait for about 5 minutes and the others start coming out again.
Particulate emissions nightmares LOL
Squirrels are the easiest thing in the world to kill.
You can say that again. Here’s a squirrel huntin’ trick.
The squirrel likes to run around to the side of the tree where you can’t see it.
All you have to do is throw a stone or stick to the other side of the tree and the squirrel will come back to your side. End of squirrel.
LOL Squirrel huntin’ trick
The squirrel likes to run around to the side of the tree where you can’t see it. You can improve your EROI and not have to wait five minutes. All you have to do is throw a stone or stick to the other side of the tree and the squirrel will come back to your side. End of squirrel.
“You guys, meaning Procon, Vlad, E, Anti-Soak and a few others are really spoiled little brats.”
Let the record forevermore show –
Anyone who ever disagrees with Bill is wrong, is a racist, and is an antisemite.
Anyone who agrees with Bill is right, and will be defended “to the death.”
Sarcasm, now off.
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What a well named ClusterFuck, JHK!
EROI squirrel end LOL
When Obama deeply bows to the Saudi king, he actually bows to Rome:
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Fleece
Now, why is it that we never hear about these fuckers?
Same thing applies to fishin’
The migration of fish teaches us that life is about energy gains and losses, the same principle that is applied to oil… in which the more the oil industry drilled, the less it gets back.
With these declines, the industry turned to fossil fuels including bitumen and shale gas which deliver less energy but spend more on water, land and capital. Bad EROI.
Anyone who ever disagrees with Bill is wrong, is a racist, and is an antisemite.
P2C, I ask you politely once again. Please stop attacking Bill and Mika. Your hyperbole is not funny, and, increasingly, your posts have a negative EROI.
Fishin’ teaches us LOL
Thanks for the squirrel huntin’ tip. Only problem with squirrels is that it takes about a half dozen to make a decent meal.
Hyperbole is LOL
AN Horse’s Ass
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Hey Barn, you’re a Brit right? Silent H on horse. An ‘orse’s Ass.
Arse LOL
“So many are in denial and completely unprepared for the collapse which is unfolding, so few are willing to fight back. These are the things I cannot understand”
And they were marrying and giving in marriage, and buying and selling, and eating and drinking, until the DAY that Noah entered into the ark.
Man is too busy to be bothered by impending doom. He lives by the motto “business as usual,” until the lightning strikes his house.
Have you ever retracted a single hyperbolic overreach asoka.??
Has Bill??
Has Mika?
So nice to live a completely guilt free life.
What this place needs now –
Is some Chinese spam!
To the DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fishin’, huntin’, EROI, all teach us important lessons. There is a direct relationship between fishin’ and huntin’ and EROI.
In the last few decades petroleum has been consumed at a much faster pace than new reserves have been discovered. The point at which global oil extraction will attain a peak (“peak oil”) and begin a period of unavoidable decline is approaching. This eventuality will drive fundamental changes in the quantity and nature of energy flows through the human economic system, which probably will be accompanied by economic turmoil, political conflicts, and a high level of social tension. Besides being a geological and economic issue, peak oil is also a fundamental concern as it pertains to ecological systems and conservation because economics is a subsystem of the global ecosystem and changes in human energy-related behaviors can lead to a broad range of effects on natural ecosystems, ranging from overuse to abandonment. No more fishin’ and huntin’ … bad EROI.
As it becomes more difficult to meet energy demands, environmental considerations may be easily superseded. Given the vital importance of ecosystems and ecosystem services in a postpetroleum era, it is crucially important to wisely manage our ecosystems (our fishin’ and huntin’) during the transition period to an economy based on little or no use of fossil fuels. EROI rules!
EROI rules
Tis ironic that I should stumble into this thread on a rare day off while I had been reading James Howard Kunstler and Richard Heinberg’s chapters devoted to the issue of whether or not alternatives to oil can keep the party going. I had asked Dmitry Orlov what were the efficiency ratios of green technology to fossil fuels….his response was “doesn’t look good. Anything green will get eaten”. Seeing he is a number crunching engineer and genius, I was hoping he would publish a blog or a book about the putative replacements to fossil fuels. Too many people either believe there will always be more oil or that technology will save us. That wall of denial needs to be broken, as JHK notes, it is even dangerous as it breeds complacency. From what I have read, his answer makes sense. The primary activity of post petroleum humans will be food production.
Dmitry is anti nuke, JHK seemed to be pro nuke (before Fukushima), Heinberg likes hydro-electric and wind power, although they will never come close to matching the EROEI ratios of oil and natural gas.
The idea of vegetable oils sounds wonderful at first, but how would you answer critics that will ask how we justify growing food for fuel in the face of billions of starving people and will this process be efficient not only in the energy invested vs the energy obtained and will it deplete the top soil of biota?
I had not been reading other posts, glad I read yours, as these issues should have been addressed decades ago. People need to wake up
WWEROID?
Exactly, barneygifts, I think you’ve got it!
EROI should also be taken into account in policy development. Good policies can be formulated through awareness and understanding gained from scenario-based assessments. Presently, most widely used global scenarios of environmental change do not incorporate resource limitation,
including those of the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Considering the potential magnitude of the effects of peak oil on society and nature, the development of resource-constrained scenarios should be addressed immediately. Ecologists and conservation biologists are in an important position to analyze the situation and provide guidance, yet the topic is noticeably absent
from ecological discussions.
I think CFN needs to urge politicians, corporate chief executives, thought leaders, and citizens to consider EROI, peak oil, and resource depletion (fishin’ and huntin’) seriously because they are key environmental issues of the 21st century.
You and Mika are both right. Biofuels could be one of the valid alternative energies. And the issue with a lot of our energy consumption is its misallocation for use in war.
We need to produce energy efficiently from alternate sources, but only until we develop a permanent substitute for oil that will allow us to maintain and even increase our population. The most viable sources are space-based solar energy and hydrogen fusion. From our perspective, the most basic energy source comes from the sun – which provides almost all of Earth’s energy through the fusion of hydrogen. There’s so many issues to resolve in develoing these energy sources, but over time, we can succeed. In the meantime, we need to utilize other energy resources like biofuels, wind power, geothermal, fuel cells, improved materials for solar panels, etc.
Stop our wars, institute sane financial policies and throw out the bums in power, and we can accomplish what we need to do.
wake up biota LOL
bums in power LOL
LOL! Jesus! Hallelujah!
EROI, or no EROI: that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The negative EROI of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die; to sleep;
No more; a sleep full of EROI nightmares.
I would agree on this. Our main enemy is human nature. Fear. Greed. We have been and will always be our own worst enemies, until we have worn out our welcome. I believe that time is close at hand
LOL! Sleepy biota! Besides biota, let’s not forget about wind power EROI. A meta-analysis of 114 wind power studies showed an average EROI (for all studies, operational and conceptual) of 25.2
(n =114; std. dev=22.3).
The average EROI for just the operational studies is 19.8 (n =60; std. dev=13.7).
This places wind in a favorable position relative to fossil fuels, nuclear, and solar power generation technologies in terms of EROI.
It is called the pleasure principle….man seeks immediate gratification over long term needs and interests. When pleasure is threatened, enter denial and the other defense mechanisms. I am coming to believe more and more that mankind, in its present form, is too far out of balance, out of harmony, to continue to exist on this planet. I was and am a staunch believer in the “die off” camp for a few decades, for other studies I read unrelated to peak oil
A mighty wind is blowEROIng
We easily waste 90% of the energy that’s consumed. And for what? So the criminals in the Vatican with their banks, their corporations, and their government mafia can keep us as slaves in their system. Our main enemy is ignorance. (And brainwashed americans clowns. See above).
americans clowns lol
Q, I see you’re in a funny mood today. Glad you confirmed my suspicion. I knew you couldn’t resist. LOL!
I’m glad to have Q. back. I hadn’t realized anyone else had nightmares about EROI.
In my nightmares the EROI analysis I am dreaming lacks a consistent framework and therefore yields apparently conflicting results.
The worst kind of EROI nightmare to have.
Can you imagine variations of EROI analysis in different dimensions … based on the costs they include and their handling of non-energy resources?
Can you imagine the implications of the different measures of EROI upon estimating the desirability of a technology?
I usually wake up in a sweat, still estimating competing EROIs and their ultimate net energy capacity.
Like Pedro Calderón de la Barca said “La vida es sueño” (a Spanish language play first published in 1635) and he did not have to think about competing technologies for energy production. Numerous technologies have been proposed as partial solutions to our declining fossil energy stocks.
Calderón de la Barca did not have to think about the significant need for consistent metrics to compare the desirability of different technologies.
Calderón de la Barca did not have to think about the ratio of energy produced to energy consumed by an energy production technology. He had no idea EROI is an important first indicator of the potential benefits to society.
But we do have to think about EROI. Day and night EROI haunts me and makes my life a living hell because, as CFN knows, we are so fucked if we don’t quickly embrace space-based solar or thorium-based nuclear. The alternative is an EROI nightmare.
Are you googling my posts, Puzzler, for originality and attribution?
I don’t think you will find anyone on planet earth who has ever written about Calderón de la Barca, EROI, space-based solar and thorium-based nuclear in the same post.
I invite you to contribute something original on EROI, Puzzler.
The accounting is completely meaningless. It’s an abstraction and a diversion. You need to know how prices are really decided upon to understand this. I’ll tell how they are decided upon. An old guy in London durring his 1pm tea time decides gold is going to sell for such and such and that’s what gold will sell for. Same for oil. Same for everything else. People are really ignorant. They think there is a “market”. It’s all an illusion.
It all seems to be a crap shoot and what the big rollers want is easy money, a positive EROI, the biggest return on investment with the least amount of energy expended.
“I was and am a staunch believer in the “die off” camp”
Regrettably, true. Population Control (i.e., absolute control by extreme reduction in population) is the SOLE goal of TPTB.
Does CFN realize the need for metrics that can reliably quantify the costs, benefits, and potential trade-offs of different alternatives?
The full fuel-cycle metric is flexible enough to describe a wide variety of energy production chains, ones Calderón de la Barca never knew about, and has sufficient mathematical rigor to allow meaningful comparisons between them, thereby avoiding potential nightmares.
The term FFC (full fuel cycle) refers to the complete fuel production chain including extraction, processing, conveyance to the retail distribution center and delivery to final consumers.
For ease of use in applications, the metric is defined as an FFC multiplier which, when applied to the point-of-use energy consumption, gives an estimate of the FFC energy use.
The FFC multiplier can be used to provide precise and intuitively reasonable definitions of other energy production metrics such as EROI.
The multiplier does not depend on hocus-pocus or religious belief. The FFC multiplier is a non-linear function of a set of energy–intensity parameters that depend only on directly observable physical data, a nightmare killer.
For die-off to be of use to TPTB, they must first determine EROI. Otherwise, they could end up cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
What I mean by that is that the cost-benefit analysis would have to include quality of life issues post-die-off.
As many have noted on CFN, TPTB would not fare well if, instead of brainwashed wage slaves and a dependable economic system in place, they found themselves in a Mad Max scenario complete with pandemic plagues and no dependable food sources.
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P2C, I ask you politely once again. Please stop attacking Bill and Mika. Your hyperbole is not funny, and, increasingly, your posts have a negative EROI.
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Why should he stop attacking Bill and Mika who, like you, are racists who think that your liberalism protects you against accusations of racism??
I think P2C is one of the only fun people to read remaining on CFN which has become a parody of DUMB EARNESTNESS. Oh, so now you’re all about using economic terms like EROI as a metaphor for the energy expenditure of P2C and others attacking the assholiance represented by the Kike Defense Brigade and the Rainbow Coalition here on CFN.
This site desperately needs scientific thinkers who also know what a proper argument form is. As things stand, it’s just a gaggle of survivalists, altfuel dimwits who don’t even know what a BTU is, and minority activists trying to make reverse racism and reverse tribalism seem like self protection.
Go fuck yourself, Asoka. You’ve accused many of cut-and-paste from Wiki when I caught you doing this several times in earlier arguments between us. You’re a dimwit dilettante whose scientific background is almost ENTIRELY cut and paste from Wiki. This site, and especially YOU, are a parody of themselves.
E.
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Fetch Rhino, to find where I am getting my “unoriginal ideas”!
Mornin’ E. You say
Go fuck yourself, Asoka. … This site, and especially YOU, are a parody of themselves.
Which is why you continue to come back, read the posts, and compose replies.
Good to see you back. I always read your posts. I never skip over them. They give me great pleasure.
You belong here … among the “gaggle of survivalists and altfuel dimwits”
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Fetch Rhino, to find where I am getting my “unoriginal ideas”!
Fetch E.! to find which article in Wikipedia I cribbed from.
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Which is funny actually considering the amount of posting I have done on CFN criticizing Wikipedia, providing evidence that it is an unreliable, continuously edited (by third graders?), source of anonymous contributions, that are not academic or peer-reviewed, and that should never be used in scholarly arguments.
You made me laugh!
Biomass is an EROI nightmare.
While various energy-producing technologies have been analyzed to assess the amount of energy returned per unit of energy invested, this type of comprehensive and comparative approach has rarely been applied to other potentially limiting inputs such as water, land, and time.
CFN, we need to assess the connection between water and energy production and conduct a comparative analysis for estimating the energy return on water invested (EROWI) for several renewable and non-renewable energy technologies using various Life Cycle Analyses.
I think we will find that the most water-efficient, fossil-based technologies have an EROWI one to two orders of magnitude greater than the most water-efficient biomass technologies, implying that the development of biomass energy technologies in scale sufficient to be a significant source of energy may produce or exacerbate water shortages around the globe and be limited by the availability of fresh water.
Along with “peak oil” we have “peak water” and we need to take into consideration EROWI.
Biomass is a nightmare for EROWI.
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Fetch Q, Puzzler, Rhino, E.! (my attribution dogs)
Getting back to the nightmare scenarios. One technique for evaluating the costs of energy systems is net energy analysis, which compares the quantity of energy delivered to society by an energy system to the energy used directly and indirectly in the delivery process, a quantity called the energy return on investment (EROI).
Such an investigation involves aggregating different energy flows. A variety of methods have been proposed, but none has received universal acceptance.
Economic approaches such as the index or marginal product method are superior because they account for differences in quality among fuels.
The thermal equivalent and quality-corrected EROI for petroleum extraction in the US show the same general pattern: a rise to a maximum in the early 1970s, a sharp decline throughout the 1970s, a recovery in the 1980s, and then another modest decline in the 1990s.
However, the quality-corrected EROI is consistently much lower than the thermal equivalent EROI, and it declines faster and to a greater extent than the thermal-equivalent EROI.
Results of studies indicate that quality corrections have important effects on the results of energy analyses. The overall decline in the EROI for petroleum extraction in the US suggests that depletion has raised the energy costs of extraction. This is generally consistent with the overall pattern of oil extraction, i.e. both extraction and the EROI for extraction show a decline since the early 1970s.
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Q, Puzzler, Rhino, and E. : my attribution dogs.
Makes me shake my head. What disgusting compulsive degenerate liars these nazis are. Completely without honor.
THE ORIGIN OF EROI
Energy return on investment (EROI), is a term coined by State University of New York (SUNY) environmental science and forestry professor Charles Hall to define energy return on energy invested.
It explains that an energy source yielding positive net energy has an EROI ratio of more than 1:1.
According to Hall, EROI can be used to help evaluate which alternative fuels are likely to be the most economically viable. EROI can also help explain rising energy prices.
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Q, Puzzler, Rhino, and E. : my attribution dogs.
P2C said:
I used to think Mika was somebody’s hateful caricature of a crazy racist Jew. I mean – talking about how desirable GENOCIDE for Blue Eyed Blonds would be – on a public website.
Crazy, right.
Then Mika let slip that he was HIMSELF a blue eyed blond. And he let slip that he and his friends all loathed the US, partially because of their Russian schoolbooks.
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Mika hasn’t figured out that Pravda, circa 1965, wasn’t entirely objective. 🙂 I mean, this dude is so nutty he thinks Fabian was some kind of prophetic “seer”. He’s a garden variety nutter who has an elaborate conspiratorial edifice, in this case the Vatican, and whomever has the gall to think that all world evil is not encompassed by this edifice is “ignorant”.
Most blogs go to shit but it’s a rare blog when one of the central figures is virtually schizophrenic in his singleminded paranoia and others back him because he has the “correct” ethnicity to excuse his frank psychosis. I mean … the dude has threatened bodily harm to a handful of people and yet Bill and Asoka want to dismiss these as irrelevancies which is, itself, utterly psycho.
Well, have a good time here P2C. The only thing left here is to enjoy divine malice, parody, and jabbing at the mad gorillas in this cage. Enjoy!!!
E.
About the rising energy prices I mentioned in my last EROEI post at May 9, 2012 2:02 AM, if you use basic economic and physical assumptions and non-linear least-squares regression models to correlate oil production price with EROI using available data from 1954-1996, you will find the models accurately reflect historical oil prices (1954-1996), and it correlates well with historical oil prices (1997-2010) if a linear extrapolation of EROI decline is assumed.
As EROI declines below 10, highly non-linear oil price movements are observed. Increasing physical oil scarcity is already providing market signals that would stimulate a transition away from oil toward alternative energy sources.
But, and I’ll tell you this so E. doesn’t have to, price signals of physical oil scarcity are not sufficient to guarantee smooth transitions to alternative fuel sources, especially when there is insufficient oil extraction technology development, a declining mark-up ratio, a non-linear EROI-cost of production relationship, and a non-linear EROI-price relationship.
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Q, Puzzler, Rhino, and E. : my attribution dogs.
I like Mika, as a person.
There is no limit to the number of people you can love.
There is no limit to the number of times E. will come back and grace us with his keen observations.
Photovoltaic technology is another subject we have discussed on CFN and EROI plays a role there, a surprising one, since a high energy return on energy investment (EROI) of an energy production process is crucial to its long-term viability.
The EROI of conventional thermal electricity from fossil fuels has been viewed as being much higher than those of renewable energy life-cycles, and specifically of photovoltaics (PVs).
E. seems to think so, but he is wrong. It is largely a misconception fostered by the use of outdated data (E. frequently uses outdated data) and, often, a lack of consistency among calculation methods (ditto for E.).
A thorough review of the methodology, and methodological variations and updated EROI values for a range of modern PV systems, in comparison to conventional fossil-fuel based electricity life-cycles, shows E. is incorrect in his assumptions.
Science says E. does not know what he is talking about. He just likes to jab at “the mad gorillas in the CFN cage,” but has nothing of value to offer related to the EROI of alternative energy technologies.
J’accuse!
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Food production, food storage, agriculture, horticulture, permaculture all are topics on CFN and all are related to EROI, but I don’t think we have ever discussed Via Campesina which supports peasant and small farmer agriculture both in the South and in the North.
The basic doctrine of Via Campesina is that of ‘food sovereignty’. It is a movement that defends an ‘ecological neo-Narodnism’.
Among the analytical tools used by this international peasant movement is the comparison between the energy efficiency of traditional small farm agriculture and modern industrial agriculture.
If you look at the history of agricultural energetics, and then look at the use of the concept of EROI by Via Campesina, here is the conclusion: industrial agriculture is no longer a producer of energy but a consumer of energy, and that ‘peasant agriculture cools down the Earth.
The absence in Marxism of a tradition of analysis of energy flows is also notable, since it is of interest in order to bring together the classic economic concept of decreasing returns with the more recent notion of a declining EROI.
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5 key criteria for candidates for a new energy source to replace petroleum.
The new energy source must:
1. be rapidly scalable to needed capacity;
2. have a high EROEI;
3. be transportable, storable, and energy dense;
4. be renewable and not just another finite, temporary measure (such as nuclear); and
5. not degrade or derange the environment and its ecosystem services, with a specific focus on human health implications (which would rule out oil sands and oil shale).
Can anyone on CFN provide evidence that any potential candidate meets these criteria. We are so fucked!
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Anyone want to explain how petroleum scarcity and decreased EROEI can be addressed by the private sector? I say BIG GOVERNMENT is needed to address this transnational problem.
We need a coordinated, large-scale strategy involving intergovernmental, cross-governmental, and public-private collaboration to facilitate the transition to a low-carbon energy future. The private sector alone cannot do it.
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OK, so EROEI is decreasing and is a problem. What can be done?
How can CFN increase knowledge, change attitudes, and influence behaviors with regard to these issues?
At a time when production declines are imminent and oil prices contributed to the most recent recession, the popular press has characterized recent oil discoveries in Brazil and the Gulf of Mexico as being quite large; but the projected production of these reserves will amount to only a very small share of current global annual consumption.
This conflation of the amount that is in the ground with the rate of extraction continues to confound efforts to educate the public and professionals.
Any ideas CFNers?
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In a petroleum-scarce future, with a declining EROEI, transportation will be low-mobility, a departure from conventional assumptions among transportation planners that both individual car ownership and overall vehicular travel will continue to rise.
The need for low-mobility transportation clashes with our current built environment, as we have frequently discussed on CFN.
A range of technological solutions have been proposed to allow us to continue on our current trajectory, such as dramatic improvements in fuel efficiency, alternative fuels and propulsion systems, and electric cars connected to a grid with the unlikely promise of carbon capture and storage.
But these predictions may come into direct conflict with the realities of declining petroleum production. Many experts have argued that we must reduce vehicle miles traveled and change urban areas to make them more compact, and some have suggested that higher gasoline prices will motivate these transitions.
Anybody think the solution is higher gas prices, or are we on CFN part of the problem?
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On May 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM Asoka started talking about EROEI.
Asoka posted 43 times on different aspects of EROEI, tying the concept into huntin’, fishin’, and Calderón de la Barca, among other things.
I think this must be some kind of record in internet history, to have someone make 43 posts on EROEI in the space of five hours.
Asoka will never get those five hours back. He does not have a life. All he has are nightmares about EROEI. How pathetic!
And then he keeps mentioning his “attribution hounds”
Q who thinks Asoka cuts and pastes
Rhino who thinks Asoka has no original ideas
Puzzler who thinks Asoka is “stealing” (plagiarism is actually kidnapping, not stealing)
E. who thinks Asoka gets his words from Wikipedia.
Now Asoka wants them to fetch attribution for him. Hilarious!
What a night on CFN! Unforgettable! Original! Not from Wikipedia! Not from Krugman!
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Mika obviously hates himself and is in torment. I try to help him but you don’t even lift a finger -even though he’s your countryman as a Jew. I care more about him than you though. You have pride but not love.
Maybe I am Mr Kunstler???
Did you ever define it? I don’t even know what it is… But I’m enjoying the not knowing – I’m sure you approve. 2nd Law of Theromodynamics related? Or closer to the Pension Provision? Or the Earned Run Average?
One other point: As Charles Fort said, “It’s steam engines when it’s Steam Engine Time.” For example, the Romans knew about water mills to grind grain. They just didn’t bother. They had slaves for that kind of thing.
Noticed you didn’t respond to my Homo Erectus being “just folks” retort. I don’t blame you. That was a knock out blow and you walked right into it. What could you say after all? The Truth is the best debate “technique” of all.
Think of it another way: what would convince you that Blacks were different? Answer: nothing. In other words, it’s not a rational conviction but a quasi religious faith. And to paraphrase Schopenhauer, I’m not aruging with an intellect here, but a Will.
“What disgusting compulsive degenerate liars these nazis are.”
Still useful when you need someone to do your dirty work, as long as there is no debate. When they get on to your fraud, you just find another “compulsive degenerate liar’ THAT YOU CAN CONTROL WITH A LABEL to start pointing fingers at YOUR new ENEMY; there you have another useful slave, working for denari.
You sez:
“Instead of pouring the remaining fossil fuels into renewable and sustainable energy systems, the US has been poisoned with its national chauvanism and testosterone flag waving idiocy and certainly will waste it trying to prop up their goddamned military and keeping the sheeple afraid, yet meek and obedient.” -MN
This matches my estimation of the Future (near-term).
As P2C is wont to say, it’s all about the timing that will describe the amount of oppression that’s brought to bear. This has everything to do with how a die-off is “engineered” or “black-swan-ed” into being. IMO, it’s going to resemble the last ride of the Mongol Horde, before a deadly plague of encephalitis drops all the horsies and they ride no more. (Your vision of an oil-dependent military w/o oil.)
Are we a’fear’d? You betcha, Sarah! All these revelations about “thwarted” bombings; incredible how they’re letting all these national se’cur’dy details loose on the airwaves. “Frightening” revelations, no less… and double agents… and bomb-making madmen that work for A Q… you feel the fear yet? lol Makes me [properly, I think] fear the apparatus that grinds out this tripe.
It should be obvious what’s going on, when the only “growth industry” is in Stasi-esque information gathering by private companies, contracted to the gum’mint.
It’s the Charge of the Light Brigade, I tells ya!
Those who would deny that the current dominant
paradigm will be turned away from are those who are most heavily invested in it, or are so bedazzled by its’ comforts and gewgaws that they cannot imagine its’ dissolution. (If it’s not thought of, it won’t happen. / If I can’t see the monster, the monster can’t see me.)
Is it any wonder that Bucky is mightily pissed? I don’t wonder at that a’tall; perfectly justified by all the waste and poisoning done in the name of progress and convenience by the most gluttonous and most hubristic “folks” that have ever stained the planet.
“When they get on to your fraud, you just find another “compulsive degenerate liar’ THAT YOU CAN CONTROL WITH A LABEL”
-MD, to Mika/Met-
I would say that any poster who has been reading Mika for a while is onto the fraud. Only Bill and Asoka vibrate continuously with him in their self-referential circle.
Which is sad to watch – but impossible to stop.
I’ve been looking up Russian Jewish emigre demographics in Israel. I found this little tidbit on the open internet – then confirmed it on Wiki:
Israel has seen a surge of neo-Nazi activity in the 2000s, linked to the arrival of over 1.2 million immigrants from the former Soviet Union.[74] …..eight young immigrants from the former Soviet Union who had been attacking foreign workers and homosexuals, and vandalizing synagogues with Nazi images.[75][76] The neo-Nazis are reported to operate in cities across Israel, …….Widely publicized arrests have led to a call to reform the Law of Return to permit the revocation of Israeli citizenship for – and the subsequent deportation of – neo-Nazis”
-wiki-
As a neutral and completely outside observer (and simple polite criticism is NOT, repeat NOT antisemitism) I believe American Jewry has a big problem with romanticizing Israel, these days.
Americans, Jewish or not, have had most of the real rough edges of Tribal thinking worn away – by prosperity, media, and education.
So there’s this feeling that just “being Jewish” is enough to assure the fair treatment of any Jew by any other Jew – anywhere.
And of course, this is impossible.
Who killed Able, after all?
I don’t think it was a Goy.
And it wasn’t the Vatican.
I wanted to struggle back up through last night’s orgasm of EROI (Energy Return on Energy Invested, Vlad!) trivia – to compliment you on this post, BudIz –
“And so it is in reading Cf Nation, one is sure to come away with dirty hands and a slight stench from much of the wasted, petty efforts. Yet amongst the barn yard of free speech there is always some fodder worth ruminating, some kernels of truth to ponder, some reason to keeping on.”
-bud-
Well said, Bud. That’s what keeps me here, too.
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And seriously, if anyone finds another place on the internet, that is something like this place –
I sure would like the web address.
“As societies become more complex, their energy capture strategies become less effective, less beneficial until they fail because of mismanagement of energy.” -MN
And we can see where this is going in regard to the complex [and thus very brittle] stratification of the FUSA that just happens to be crumbling about us.
Present-day Greece is a good example of overstretch. The reason they’re in such grave fiscal straits is that they borrowed BIG-TIME to try and live the gluttonous ‘Merkin lifestyle through massive energy importation on credit. This is not talked about. Probably because we’re in the same pickle here. The only thing keeping the wolf from the door is the petro-dollar, and I’m not sure how much longer that’s going to be put up with, since its’ only backing value is the threat of bullets and bombs. (That doesn’t inspire long-term trust and cooperation, as we’ve seen.)
Along with Shaka the Zulu, it seems we’re reading the same writings on many walls.
(Sorry that a. seems to be trying to blunt/subvert your estimations by multiple blatherings; don’t let it discourage you. I can get a sense of his skewings toward “No Worries in Technological and Spiritual Smileyland” from just a few responses! It’s some pretty inept legerdemain. And, no, he’s not going to get a response when he VOCIFERIOUSLY objects to this observation.)
Ass Oka said:
high energy return on energy investment (EROI)
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You’re so fucking stupid and know so little about energy dynamics that you aren’t even aware that the proper acronym, used on theoildrum.com and by virtually the entire field of petroleum geology is ERoEI and not, as you say, EROI, you imbecilic nimrod.
Then, in a later post you impugn stuff I said a year ago about PV cells because you figure I won’t be around to read it since I’m largely absent EXCEPT FOR TODAY. A year ago? Your post had more to do with impugning me than saying anything thorough about concerns like the area occupied by PV cells versus their energy output, the toxicity of worn PV cells, or anything else. It’s just an ADVERT without any science at all.
There are many sickos on this site but you are the one most ripe to satirize because you’re really not a scientist, you cut-and-paste from single articles and then accuse others of doing same, and you’re just plain stupid and try to cover this over by just aping the words of real scholars as if they represent your own thinking.
Your degree of patheticness crosses over into parody which is all that you and, for the most part this site, are good for.
E.
“There are many sickos on this site…” E.
Hey now; that term is highly offensive! I prefer to be addressed by the correct appellation of “mental-normalcy-challenged”. ;o)
EROI vs ERoEI
You know I’d never noticed that, E. Thanks!
As you can tell, I don’t spend a lot of time on TOD.
That’s because there is something driving us into doom that is a lot bigger than simple oil/energy depletion. There is something political, something Global, something that is elite and conspiratorial in nature – driving us into doom.
What is it?
How do we stop it.?
That’s why I like this site – where good minds post and criticize one another’s ideas with fairness and intellectual honesty.
While 4 or 5 minds engage in obsessive verbal masturbation on changing topics, like ERoEI, and tribal infallibility, and Chinese spam.
Parallel conversations, guys –
We can ignore the spammers and MASTUR deBATORS, or fight with them – (does it really matter?)
As long as we look for the GOOD ideas and criticisms that keep us coming back.
He actually said that Blacks are people. As I said, this is progress. That’s what I thought you were talking about.
Now for this business about the Vatican writing the Koran: why would they? Why would they undermine their own influence by setting up a competing religion and ideology? Where’s the evidence for it?
You said that the Vatican supplied the funding to take on Jewish tribes in Arabia. That’s interesting. What’s the evidence for it?
You said that the likelihood of an illiterate man writing the Koran was slim to nonexistent. OK that sounds reasonable.
So then who wrote the Koran? If you had claimed that the Koran was a product of dissident scholars who weren’t buying into the prevailing modes of Judaism or Christianity and if you could point to some kind of evidence for these claims well then maybe we’d have something new and exciting to talk about.
Noticed you didn’t respond to my Homo Erectus being “just folks” retort. I don’t blame you. That was a knock out blow and you walked right into it. – Rhino
P2C;
I’m a little surprised with your ongoing beef with BTBill. Yes, I know he is in the North, Boston no less, and you are in Dixie. But to me, reading your posts for the past several years, you have similar outlooks. Certainly your similarities outweigh the differences; I assume you are the same age, you have a handle on the energy and political predicaments facing us, and you offer similar solutions. I like both of you. Time to bury the hatchet.
So Asoka, what’s the weather like today in your home in “South America”?
WSP7
Technical glitch.
Let’s start over
Noticed you didn’t respond to my Homo Erectus being “just folks” retort. I don’t blame you. That was a knock out blow and you walked right into it. – Vlad
Vlad if you want to be serious I’ll be serious, but a comment like this isn’t serious.
What are you claiming, that Black people are akin to Homo Erectus? Let’s not be ridiculous.
What would convince me that Blacks are different? Vlad, your question is empty. The question isn’t whether people from different parts of the world are “different”. In certain respects they are. You only need your bare eyeballs to tell you that. One question is how deep are the differences. The second question is even if you could tell how deep these differences are what would you do with this information?
You are convinced that Black people are inferior. “Dumb” in your own words. You disparaged my comments about Black artistry. Yet artistic creativity is one of the defining characteristics of modern sapiens. You point to the high levels of criminality in the Black American community as evidence to back up your claims of Black inferiority. Yet you gloss over the gross criminality of enslaving Black people and oppressing them for centuries and even after “emancipation” was supposed to set them free. What does this say about caucasians?
Let’s talk about idiocy for a bit, let’s discuss the imbeciles that decided to use slave labor on American farms. And not for a generation or two but for hundreds of years. What were these idiots thinking? Could they not foresee a time when slavery would not longer be tolerable? What would be the fate of these former slaves and their descendants after slavery? What would be the shape of society then? What would the relationship be between black people and white people? How would the two groups coexist? If you want to point to intellectual deficiency let’s talk about this catastrophic collective failure of the imagination and intellect of slave owning societies.
In my view bad behavior, stunning stupidity and disastrous failures in judgement even over very long periods of time are not the sole preserve of one society or race or ethnicity. You see it over and over in history. So be careful about pointing the finger at Black people.
WSP,
In case you hadn’t heard, the weather is always Goldilocks (“just right”) in Technological and Spiritual Smileyland. No worries! Unka Sugar and the Dominant Paradigm (the Military/Security Complex) are gonna take good care of us… right?
Mornin’ WSP. Thanks for your inquiry. It is raining today.
I will take this opportunity to let you all know that I am taking a break from CFN which will, at a minimum, last at least 15 minutes.
Well, I pretty much learned all I needed to learn here. Nothing really surprised me.
Bill,
I don’t know how you do it, living amongst these people, and for that you have my deepest respect and sympathies. All the best to you and yours. I hope one day we will meet.
Rhino,
Regards your questions, all of them are easily answered with a quick google search. You can learn all this for yourself, you don’t need me to regurgitate it for you.
Mika, BTBill has stated several times he wouldn’t live anywhere else and is staying in Boston no matter what. I’d say he has a pretty good life there. Boston is a nice place.
–WSP7
Rhino who thinks Asoka has no original ideas – Asoka
The accusation stings does it?
First, let’s overlook your annoying, grandiose habit of referring to yourself in the third person.
Sorry (actually I’m not sorry), but ideologues whether they be leftist, rightist or racist typically deal in simplistic idiocies and, like you, year after year and decade after decade, trot out the same old shopworn compilations of silly-assed slogans and ninny-isms.
You toss out rhetorical stinkbombs but then, unable to deal with problems and issues that logically follow from your imbecilic assertions, find yourself hemmed in by your own stink. I repeated several questions over and over and over and repeatedly gave you opportunities to redeem yourself but you didn’t. Or couldn’t.
Typical of the ideologue. Hang your head in shame.
But you live in America (yeah, I think you still live in the land of Old Glory) and America is the land of second chances, isn’t it, where people fail time and again but pick themselves up and start over. Isn’t that right? So start over. Turn a leaf. Redeem yourself.
Yeah, yeah Jim. When the Dow hits 4000 like you promised many moons ago, I’ll start to take your rant seriously.
Is this what you’re talking about?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/222227/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam
I hope this isn’t what you call proof.
Maybe if Weimar Germany was a cesspool of degeneracy it’s the fault of Germans and not Jews.
And these “international bankers” you talk about. Power, in my own estimation, doesn’t emanate from corporate boardrooms, or company coffers, it ultimately emanates from the barrel of a gun. Mao was right. These “international bankers” find themselves at gunpoint and they find themselves doing what they’re told. And if these “international bankers” (which is code for Jews) were so powerful how did they end up not being able to avoid the destruction of European Jewry?
In the main WW2 was a fight between the USSR and Germany for territory and dominance of Europe. Robbery on a grand scale with mass killing as its m.o.
Predators seek good EROI’s as well. They leave alone the healthy powerful and focus on the weak, the old, and the sick – thus improving the herd in the process. What provision does your system have for this kind of quality control?
Remember what Lao Tzu said, “Governing a country is like cooking a small fish”. In other words, very easy to do too much. Less is usually better. That this Does Not accord with your big goverment is obvious.
The Emperor adjusting his robe should be enough to inspire the people to civic and fillial piety in a well ordered state. But you want him to wipe asses. Face it Soak: you have misunderstood. You better go back to the basics and revisit all your premises. This would be true beginers mind.
No it was the Jews just like it is now. He bans the Ten Commandments from our buildings? Who seeks to ban any religion from the public square?
But obviously the Germans let themselves be corrupted so the blame is there too.
Apparently the Internationalists funded Hitler as well in order to check Stalin who was the loose cannon. Obviously they can’t forsee everything… And the Jews know that in the process of shedding oceans of blood, some of it is bound to be their’s as well. In any case, it turned out very well for them: they came out stronger than ever. Europe was ruined and became a second America. Of course you think this is great. And just like here, they proceeded to the next stage – breeding out the White Population.
As Russell Kirk said, Conservatism means loyalty to a particular people, in particular place, at a particular time. This is a fine definition of Fascism too by the way. Leftists know this – stupid Conservatives bristle at the name Fascism. They Leftists got them coming and going and have complete control of the narrative. The faux Conservatives crawl on the ground barking like dogs trying to please the Leftists and prove that they’re “not racists”. Not only willing but eager to sell out their Brothers in order to appease their destroyers. Totally clueless that sucess means “no enemies to the Right”. It worked and works for Liberals, does it not? As Christ said, the children of darkness are wiser in their generation than the children of Light.
But let us refresh our wits, my dear Rhino. Greece has been touched by the same Light as Germany was so many years ago. Here, watch and learn. Vide well little brother, vide well.
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=11038
Thanks. Now what is the name of that pharmacy?
Europe was ruined and became a second America. Of course you think this is great. – Rhino
An excess of technical problems this morning.
My screen name keeps appearing ie after the quote I’m referencing. Very peculiar.
Europe was ruined and became a second America. Of course you think this is great. – vlad
Anyway no I don’t think the ruin of Europe was great. I think it’s a calamity. What do you mean it was made into a second America? Are you referring to the influx of non europeans?
That can be bad or good, it’s all in the implementation. If newcomers assimilate, get with the wider culture, are accepted as fellow countrymen, marry into the existing population then in my estimation it’s fine. No worries. For most of the past two hundred years North America was an assimilationist machine that worked well at integrating newcomers into the greater whole. Blacks and Amerindians being the notable and tragic exceptions.
But if newcomers don’t assimilate, if they self segregate, if they aren’t accepted into the mainstream, if they don’t marry into the wider population, then disaster is the likely result. You are asking for a Balkan style or Rwandan style catastrophe and judging by past history you will get it. Multiculti-ism is one of the more moronic ideas to come from the left of the political idiocracy.
Mohammad may have been an epileptic, but like many such – he was a not a retard or cripple. In fact he was a well traveled, successful trader.
He united the Arabs and gained control of the Arabian Peninsula back from the Byzantines and the Jews. His methods were often stomach turning though. He forced himself on a Jewish captive hours after putting all the men of her tribe to death. To put Mohammad in the same category as Christ, Buddha, and Krishna is something I have alot of trouble doing.
Perhaps in such a crude people, Divinity must manifest in a crude manner using crude instruments. That’s the best I can do. I can’t defend him much against people who say he was a fraud or a monster. He just doesn’t match up against the founders of other great religions. He was obviously of remarkable cunning and energy but that’s not enough.
Liberalism destroys the nature of the People and the Nation – even without immigrants. But they speed up the process and more to the point, make it irrevocable. There can be no recovery or renaissance now without a counter jihad a la Brevik.
Liberalism is Communism’s pimping little sister. But Capitalism will do too. Look at China. Both are heartless, ahistorical, anti-traditional, globalist, materialist etc.
Another thing, this business about who funded Hitler. Bankers are whores, always on the lookout for money, they don’t typically give a damn who they deal with. Too much is made of who financed Hitler, who financed Stalin. Bankers will sell their grandmothers if there’s a buck in it. Hitler and Stalin commanded huge armies, they had the support and loyalty of the officer corp and the ordinary soldier, they had huge political support and loyalty on the street. And they instilled bone chilling fear. Defy them and find yourself at the wrong end of a gun. Numbers on banker’s balance sheet are nothing as compared to that.
Obama pretends he is not for Gay Marriage; that he is “evolving” on the question… He just doesn’t want to offend Blacks and Hispanics who are staunchly against it. After the election he may well evolve in favor of it much as the Mormon God decided one day that Blacks were people.
Gentile Bankers, yes. Jewish Bankers, no. They are a People and have an Agenda. Even the Jewish Mobster Meyer Lansky made large contributions to Israel. Can you imagine the Maffia doing anything similar? The old Maffia – absolutely. The new “American” one after WW2? Not so much. They became corrupted by America too.
Now that Whites are no longer a People, what do White Billionaires contribute to? Africa. Haiti. Blacks. Unbelievable, but true. People are just people they prate. The Jews smile in complete trimph. The Victory of the Ages is is within sight. White energy and genius has been harnessed to serve them. They decapitated the Native Elite and replaced them with themselves. And again, with the willing support of the Gentile Masonic Elite who are their fellow travelers. The really smart Jews know that Jews aren’t a Race and have no problem with a few Gentiles coming in.
For the Indians to assimilate would be for them to admit they were of no value in and of themselves. It would be to acquiesce to the White Conquest and be in fact the last stage of it. This is Asoka’s achilles heel. His diversity leads to its opposite, uniformity.
Why would anyone who loves Native Americans want them bred out of existence?
You only have racial or tribal civil wars when Nations are poorly formed to begin with. The Hutu should not have been in the same Nation as the Tutsi. Nor should Blacks and Hispanics be in the same Nation as Whites.
But races and cultures and borders are bad for biz. You reveal your real values and priorities here. And show the moral poverty of them in contrast with the real Nation State and a People who love themselves.
And furthermore, People are not just People. Some are high and some are low. For the high to mix with the low is an Abomination. Our remote ancestors might have had the chance to mix with Homo Erectus. The ones that did ceased to be our ancestors. Likewise, the Future of the West will be made by people who refuse to lie down in the dust with the dusky peoples who have been foisted on us for that very reason.
HAHAHA
A few days ago at UnamusementPark someone sniped
that Pareene or some Pulitzer was a hamster.
I rushed to the defense of hamsters there.
Must I defend hamsters again?In just 2? days?
I never ‘got’ Mika/Mets posts, didnt read many of them. I just didnt understand where / how all the ‘Vatican Siths’ were or how they operated thru the Jesuits!
To our knowledge no one here ever censored you!
And after that one nasty post aimed at me I dont know what to make of you other than to relegate you to ‘scroll by’ territory [[Like Fly Over States, but on the net].
NOTABLE QUOTE OF THE WEEK:
‘The Vatican wrote the Koran’
Way to go Mika!
Jews,Blacks,gays are great at ‘playing victim’:
BeantownBill replied to comment from anti soak | March 17, 2012 10:18 PM | Reply
Not only do I have to put up with the Exterminator, I have to put up with an asshole like yourself. If you had a dick, I’d tell you to go fuck yourself
WHOS A SPOIL LIL BRAT?
I am in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed below. The whole world needs a leader like Ms Gillard.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard – Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.
Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’
‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’
‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!’
‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’
‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’
‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’
He just left a ‘rat killing’ post.
I thought he was for Animals and is a Vegetarian!?
Far as Bill goes, I think hes a good guy, just cranky.
Theres info online one of his Alma Maters settled sexual harassment lawsuits [2 of them] and the harassed were guys.
I dunno how believable it is.
Google ‘Obama gay?’ and ‘lawsuits involving Obama when he was in school’.
Thanks, too bad the Land Down Under is sinking!
But if newcomers don’t assimilate, if they self segregate, if they aren’t accepted into the mainstream, if they don’t marry into the wider population, then disaster is the likely result.
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Today you said ^this^.
Yesterday you said the following:
Sooner or later I predict that as the memory of the bad times for Blacks recede, the bitterness and division subside and they will catch up. You watch.
In large part blacks are not assimilating. Likewise, they are self-segregating. Vlad’s remark about looking at the self-segregation of students in a high school cafeteria was apt.
Rhino, your views seem inconsistent from yesterday to today.
Q., you just got punked! Talk about attribution. Julia Gillard never issued such a document and the anti-immigrant statements are not official Australian policy. You have posted a false document.
Check it out on Snopes:
RACIST LIKE Q. LOVE IT!
Email forward claims that former Australian Prime Minister John Howard told the media that immigrants should adapt to Australian culture, language and beliefs or leave the country. It also claims that Howard told Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law that they should get out of Australia
Update: 2009
In early 2009, an altered version of the message falsely claimed that it was then Australia’s Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd who made the comments.
Update: 2011
In late 2010, yet another version of the message began circulating that claimed that it was the current Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard who made the comments. Like the 2009 Kevin Rudd version, this claim has no basis in fact whatsoever.
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YOU ARE A PISS-POOR ATTRIBUTION HOUND, Q.
SEEMS YOU REALLY DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT TRUTH IF THE RACIST LIES YOU ARE SPREADING AGREE WITH YOU.
Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney said he is opposed to civil unions and gay marriage … today.
President Barack Obama became the first president to support same-sex marriage … today.
Everyone who says that Tweedledum and Tweedledee are the same lost credibility … today.
Republicans just support the the Leftist victories of yesteryear as part of their “conservatism”. In a few years, Republicans will act like they always supported “Gay Marriage” – an insane concept they should be proud to abhor.
SEEMS YOU REALLY DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT TRUTH IF THE RACIST LIES YOU ARE SPREADING AGREE WITH YOU.
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A few points re your reply:
. Since when is Muslim a race? Did it become a race the same time Catholic became a race?
. If Prime Minister Gillard did not say the words attributed to her (in an email I received from a friend) she should do so at the first opportunity and hire the author of those words as her speech writer.
. When “immigrants…adapt to Australian culture, language” etc that is known as assimilation. Why would a person emmigrate to a country with no plan to adopt the different culture, laws and language of that country? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Dude! You really got him worked up! Thanks for doing that. Sometimes it takes me 3 or 4 posts to get him that un-hinged. It really makes my fucking day to see him get THAT pissed off. Just LMAO!
Re-read what you posted, Q.
It is directed at non-white peoples.
Substitute xenophobic for racist if it makes you feel better.
I’m happy for you Vlad Kramps.
Yeah, yeah Jim. When the Dow hits 4000 like you promised many moons ago, I’ll start to take your rant seriously.
Everyone needs to realize that the authorities can PRINT UNLIMITED volumes of money AT WILL. People accept this UNLIMITED money source and will act in certain ways to obtain it. Thus, behaviour/societal trends can be easily controlled, viz. easy credit housing boom/bust.
Ergo the authorities have UNLIMITED ability to influence behaviour. NO DEBT is larger than their ability to EASILY & IMMEDIATELY simply press a few keys on a keyboard and REPAY (SOLVE) IT.
Given these premises, all cries of ‘no money is available to repay debts’ is unfounded. What we witness in Greece (riots) is not the tip of any unresolvable debt conundrum. It is simply an entre acte to entertain the powers (banks and their political lackeys) who control our lives and laugh while we perish, just like the Kirk Douglas scene in Spartacus where he fights with the awe inspiring Woody Strode.
Hail our captors! Bow down ye slaves! Know thy place!
Peace peaceniks
“Certainly your similarities outweigh the differences; I assume you are the same age, you have a handle on the energy and political predicaments facing us, and you offer similar solutions. I like both of you. Time to bury the hatchet.”
-wsp7, concerning btb and p2c-
WideSpread, one would think.
But there is a though bubble that hovers over my computer screen when I log on to CFN. Then, when I start reading a Mika/Met post or a BTB post that though bubble expands. And inside the bubble are the words, “defend him to the death.”
I don’t get it. I don’t know how to get it.
I called the mental roll, when I read your post. There are only 7 people on this planet that I would willingly defend to the death. Only two of those would I defend to the death with no questions asked – and only because they are small innocent children.
Certainly, I would defend my adult sons to the death. But not without question!
And if one of my sons was spreading hate of blue/green eyed whites, or Jews, or Blacks, or of any other group – and using the word genocide like it was a desirable thing –
I would not defend him AT ALL!
I would tell him to get therapy.
===========================
Now, with that said, you are the third poster to ask me to go easy on Bill.
I’d like to. I extended olive branch after olive branch to Bill. I truly don’t think he reads my posts any more. Or else he reads them with so much “confirmation bias,” that he never saw my olive branches and suggestions for compromise.
If he would retract that pledge to defend Mika “to the death,” maybe I could
He won’t though.
=========================
But if you, or anti-soak, or K/Q – would elaborate on WHY I should go easier on Bill –
I’ll give it my full consideration.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I do have an open mind, believe it or not.
OMG! LMFAO! Too funny! You’re totally “soaked” courtesty of getting Q’d! Classic!
..there is a though bubble that hovers over my computer screen
..when I start reading a Mika/Met post or a BTB post that though bubble expands.
..He won’t though.
==============
THIS IS A QUIZ
Which bolded word(s) above are spelled incorrectly?
I’m not really sure why Mika dragged me into the discussion of your post to Vlad that contained the following:
“Yes Blacks are people, – Vlad
This is a start, an acknowledgement of a common humanity.
The individual Vlad, the individual, the individual. America is all about the individual. And you can’t go prejudging and condemning an individual because of his skin. You just can’t. It’s unjust, it’s unfair. You know this in your bones, you call yourself a Christian do you not and it’s an offshoot from the Christian idea of treating others as you want to be treated. Basic simple compassion. As you said Blacks are people.”
-rhino-
Concur 100% Rhino! I have taken Vlad to task over his nasty overt racism that I’ve lost count.
We had BATTLES, winter before last.
Again, some of our posters who think they are the most Racially Enlightened – have a case of “confirmation bias” that is killing them – just as it is killing hope for the American middle class – and just as it is killing rational dialog on the CFN webspace.
I’d like to analyze your post further, Rhino.
Ask me some questions and I will.
But I feel the Bill/Mika/Met/Buck/asoka brigade hovering in the background.
They don’t care what I really think.
They are waiting for me to say something that fits their OWN bias – so they can play “gotcha!”
Fey.
Honestly, I am becoming more and more certain that I have had more black friends, acquaintances, employees, co-workers, supervisors, and neighbors –
Than ALL FIVE OF THEM – PUT TOGETHER!!!
Prejudiced. Unknowing. Jackasses.
Fey?
I don’t know where that come from.
I was going for “Meh.”
Not sure that one means either.
I’m not very good at poly-cultural angst.
How about, “Merde.”
OK!
I thoughT I was running low on “t’s.”
EROI nightmares last night
EROI nightmares tonight
Download this while it’s still up.
Vladimir Horowitz at the Moscow Conservatory 1986.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyIWVFQhDVw
Stockpiling Antibiotics –
After some thoughT and research, I “invested” in a little stockpile of antibiotics, for an uncertain future for my family. It’s easy to do and totally legal.
Fish antibiotics include ampicillin, amoxicillin, cephalexin, tetracycline, erythromycin, penicillin, metronidazole, and sulfamethoxazole, as well as the anti-fungal drug ketoconazole.
If you buy these drugs from a supplier who stocks USP grade fish antibiotics, made by a reputable manufacturer*, then you are getting the same drugs for your “fish,” in the same capsules, with the exact same color schemes and labels – that you would give to your kids, if they were sick and had the SAME antibiotic prescription from a doctor.
As far as choice of meds – I not a doctor NOR do I intend to play doctor on CFN. That said, I would avoid tetracycline, because it has a short storage life, and degrades into potentially toxic compounds.
So far, I have bought 100 capsule bottles of ampicillin, keflex, and cipro. Studies show that cipro has a storage life of at least 10-15 years, depending on conditions. I picked these drugs because I KNOW, for a proven FACT, that my wife, kids, and I have all safely taken them. There is an allergy to penicillin in the family deep-end of the gene pool, otherwise I would have stockpiled that, as well.
In 15 years, absent TS hitting TF, I will safely dispose of my little stockpile, evaluate conditions – and buy more, if I think it warranted. Who knows, maybe we’ll be through that “keyhole event,” by then – Peace Will Guide the Planets, and Love Will Steer the Stars.”
And antibiotics will no longer be necessary, because bacteria have formed a beautiful multi-cultural alliance with the Whole Human Family.
I’m not holding my breath, though. “t”
This website gives an overview, with a little humor – for a CFN that has been lacking in humor for quite a while, now.
http://preparednesspro.com/fish-antibiotics/
As far as ordering – I never actually posted a website, Vlad. I got mine from Countryside Pet Supply. 800.313.5737. Nice folks.
*manufacturer – Thomas Pharmaceuticals
And also – I’ve printed out the indications and dosage protocols, stapled them together, and sealed them up with the drugs in a steel ammo can in my cool dry basement.
I sure hope I can throw them out in 15 years –
Gotta’ hope!
“I sure hope I can throw them out in 15 years”
15 Years? Efficacy, dude. You’ll be lucky if you get 15 months out of them. Providing, of course, they are being stored per the manufacturers recommendations.
First of all, X, the bottles are factory sealed and they all have expiration dates in the middle of 2015.
Besides that X, I never figured you for such a “rule follower.”
Almost without exception, manufacturers “expiration” dates are super conservative, more oriented toward moving products – than to a scientific or logical reason.
Be a rebel, dude.
Oh, Lordy. I said “rebel.”
Soon to be a banned word, I’m sure.
Someone will want to prosecute me, “to the death”
E. you are mistaken about this. Both are used in the peer-reviewed scientific literature and on theoildrum.com
Go to theoildrum.com and do an advanced search.
Here are the results:
EROI 310
EROEI 431
Your ignorance, put on display for all to see on CFN, must be an embarrassment for you … or maybe not since your frequent source of information is Wikipedia.
Both you and Q are piss poor attribution hounds.
Thanks for the recommendation/link, XHalor. A very high-level former Soviet artist used to marvel at the size of Horowitz’s hands and fingers, even though he claimed that Rachmanioff had him beat.
For my money Evgeny Kissin performs the best Rach 3…magnificent in fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY81hTXGh98&playnext=1&list=PL0EFE7E92D5C98CBF&index=14
EROI nightmares every night.
Oh, Lordy. I said “rebel.”
==============
Yes, and now X will tell us how much “chatter” that has stirred up in the intelligence community. You are putting us all in danger, P2C, with your reckless use of subversive language.
Mali came from behind to beat African Nations Cup minnows Botswana in Libreville and set up a quarter-final against co-hosts Gabon.
Botswana took a shock lead shortly after half-time through Mogakolodi Ngele but Garra Dembele soon equalised and Seydou Keita curled home a
sumptuous winner.
All eyes then turned to Guinea’s clash with Ghana in Franceville, where the Black Stars held on for a draw to ensure Mali qualified at Guinea’s expense.
Ngele fired well over from 20 yards early on before Mali missed a glorious chance, Modibo Maiga cutting the ball back to Dembele who headed over with the goal gaping.
Cutting up
The pitch was cutting up badly and an enormous divot in Botswana’s left-back area was almost enough to trip up Mali’s Abdou Traore.
Cedric Kante fouled Jerome Ramathlakwana to end a fluent Botswana move and following the resulting free-kick, defender Ndiapo Letsholathebe’s backheel played in Lemponye Tshireletso, but he scuffed his shot wide.
Maiga’s header was well off target and Traore’s drive was blocked by Mogogi Gabonamong.
Drissa Diakite’s cross almost caused problems but keeper Modiri Marumo managed to tip the ball away and an underwhelming first half ended goalless.
Ngele fired the Zebras into the lead with his first international goal five minutes after the restart, timing his run perfectly to meet Moemedi Moatlhaping’s cross and sidefoot firmly home.
Hammered
But Mali levelled six minutes later when Marumo parried Maiga’s header but Dembele emphatically hammered home the rebound from close range.
They almost had a wonderful second when replacement right-back Ousmane Coulibaly slalomed through the defence and saw his shot rebound off the crossbar, with Maiga and Dembele combining to make a mess of the rebound.
The impressive Ngele turned and shot just wide at the other end before Keita curled home Mali’s second. The Barcelona midfielder exchanged passes with substitute Cheick Diabate, just on for Dembele, and curled a measured first-time effort past Marumo with his left foot.
It remained 2-1 and camiseta de futbol wholesale online, after a nervous wait for confirmation of Guinea’s result, the Eagles’ progression was confirmed.
reated artice?
“President Barack Obama’s history-making embrace of gay marriage could
send far-reaching political aftershocks through a presidential
campaign defined by voter concerns about the economy but likely
decided by slivers of the electorate in a handful of battleground
states. ”
Soccer spam, Chinese spam, now all we need is more idiot babbling from Eleuthero, telling how EROI is the incorrect acronym not used on theoildrum.com which is an outright lie.
It’s obvious E. did not read my posts on EROI, since last night I made a post on the origin of the concept
THE ORIGIN OF EROI
Energy return on investment (EROI), is a term coined by State University of New York (SUNY) environmental science and forestry professor Charles Hall to define energy return on energy invested.
It explains that an energy source yielding positive net energy has an EROI ratio of more than 1:1.
According to Hall, EROI can be used to help evaluate which alternative fuels are likely to be the most economically viable. EROI can also help explain rising energy prices.
“Someone will want to prosecute me, ‘to the death'”
…nah.
Just thought that I would let you know that as the antibiotics age, they become less effective. Not necessarily toxic, but definitely less effective.
Obama just guaranteed a win in November with a majority of Americans approving of gay marriage.
That is MARRIAGE, not some kind of false equivalent like “domestic partnerships” or “civil unions.”
Gays have a right to MARRIAGE just as much as heterosexuals, and their rights do not diminish the rights of others.
Freedom to marry. I believe in it.
Freedom of movement. I believe in it.
OMG, X just used the word “toxic” … which in the age of terrorist attacks using anthrax will cause increased intelligence community chatter. You guys are endangering JHK’s site with reckless use of language.
what a life
I don’t know about that Asoka. Although I have no problem with gay marriage and the benefits it brings to the partners, I still get a little queasy when I see two grown men kissing at the altar. It grosses me out in a visceral sort of way.
On top of that there is the real potential for a media overreach and bombardment of similar loving gay scenes which just might spark a silent backlash.
But it’s sort of funny that the Dems might be on the winning side of one these ridiculous wedge issues. Truth be told, I don’t really a shit about gay marriage or abortion; there are far more pressing issues in my opinion.
Eleuthero,
Look this up, since you claim the term EROI is not used on theoildrum.com
http://netenergy.theoildrum.com/node/6318
Mendacious idiot.
The best.
Sorry you are stuck with an older version.
I’m sure there are people who get queasy seeing heterosexuals displaying their affection openly with slobbering kisses. Heterosexuals just throw it in our faces and heterosexual sex is all over the media. Why can’t they be more discreet? They must have some kind of heterosexual agenda, but heaven knows we don’t need more heterosexual reproduction.
The democrats are going to be on top on gun control, abortion, gay marriage, defense, immigration, the economy, and a whole host of other issues. Because all the Republicans have done is say “No!” and try to subvert Obama from day one of his presidency, never giving him a chance.
The bumper sticker sums it up: “Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive”
Data like this contradict JHK’s and CFN’s denial that there is any kind of recovery. Facts are facts.
Does this mean you’re now supporting Obama? I hope so. Nothing against Jill Stein, but New Mexico is an important state and every Dem vote counts.
My vote is sacred, private, and may be absentee. USA nationals can vote through the Federal Voting Assistance Program, the agency legally charged to assist all overseas voters. (It resides in the Pentagon.) If I am in the USA, I will vote there.
My thinking has evolved, and I am now thinking I will vote strategically, with Supreme Court appointments in mind.
That’s the bad Buck talking. The one who votes for a corporate whore like Obama. And who thinks racism “means” Whites hurting Blacks. Any other kind of prejudice is not racism and thus just Nothing.
Ex-pats are upset by new overseas ballot request forms.
http://nyti.ms/K4ed5h
There is a large and growing community of USA citizens living overseas.
Any other kind of prejudice does not excuse white racism and does not excuse white violence toward non-whites.
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Veteran of D Day dies in hospital two weeks after Black home invader beat him and his wife – also raping her. She died last week. They had been married for 50 years.
Not everyone who has two and two legs is human. The Black Race produces an enormous number of these monsters.
Wonder why this didn’t become national news? Any ideas?
http://amren.com/news/2012/05/second-victim-dies-in-beating-of-elderly-couple-as-suspect-could-face-more-charges/
And the opposite? Does reverse reverse racism justify violence against Non Non Whites?
Did you start your re reread of the Way and its Power?
Also check out the writing of Master Ni of Los Angeles. He states no homosexual has ever attained unto hsienship or even of the lowest level of being an earthly immortal. The energy for such a transformation is just not there is such beings.
They might attain unto the various Samadhis I assume since those do not depend on the quality of the energy but rather cessation. Perhaps even unto Sainthood – don’t know. Probably as celibates though – that’s usually a celibate path anyway.
Some say that Kukai of Japan attained enlightenment as a practicing Homosexual. I reserve judgement and say neither yay nor nay.
Ass Oka said:
Here are the results:
EROI 310
EROEI 431
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So, I win because the vote is in favor of ERoEI by 33% higher. You fucking imbecile. My best fucking friend in the world is a PETROLEUM ENGINEER and EROI is “shorthand” for the more proper ERoEI but EROI doesn’t say what the INVESTMENT is … which is energy. You’re a scientific dolt who’s trying to tell me about “peer reviewed literature” which I can read and understand and you couldn’t if you lived five more lifetimes.
You are the WORST “attribution hound” I’ve ever seen on a blog because you are scientifically uneducated but think that because you read one-off articles in Newsweek that this makes you an uber-sophisticated layman. You don’t have the math background to slog through real scientific articles so you read someone else’s INTERPRETATION of a scientific article.
You just ape people who agree with you and THOSE people are often science reporters for mags who have English degrees. You’re a third-derivative moron, they’re second-derivative morons. That’s why you’re here on CFN because here you can be a “big fish in a little pond” because there aren’t enough engineers and scientists to call you on your fakery.
You’re just an aper of other apers … not even a first-derivative ape. That anyone takes you and Mika seriously is a first-rate index of the defectiveness of this site. Even when one ventures outside of science, the site has people with “selective” historical information citings. This is the worst-educated site of “experts” I’ve ever seen aside from JHK himself who is at least a serious scholar.
E.
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I suppose that Obama is now in favor of gay marriage in the military? There’s a word that the homosexual Afghan males have for cute boys or men that they’d like to sodomize, but I can’t remember what it is? Apparently, the Afghans sometimes call young American soldiers new to Afghanistan by this term.
Whatever happened to Kim Jong Un’s planned nuclear test?
I kinda feel like maybe Kim Jong Un gypped us.
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Good idea Prog.
I’m hearing a lot of buzz about medicines being in short supply in Greece. Importation apparently is based on LETTERS OF CREDIT, and if you can’t pay the freight… well, you get the drift.
And, once again, the price of energy inserts its’ factor into the equation. That factor will become more and more sizable as time rolls on.
In Mexico (and generally throughout Central and South America) drugs are available, but highly expensive for the locals who, of course, need them the most. Don’t believe for a minute those who say that drugs are cheap down past the southern border. Yeah, “cheap” for dumbshit ‘Merkins packing wads of cash who haven’t a clue about local pay scales (and frankly, don’t usually care enough to know). Most poor folks do the most dangerous thing that can be done: Buy 1 or 2 tablets of antibiotics, hoping for enough of a jolt to roust the infection. As we know, this just promotes the stronger of the bugs who survive the initial “attack” and go on to replicate themselves, making the infection all the more virulent.
(I also hope you can toss ’em later on, but it’s better to have ’em and not need them than the other way ’round…)
Puckster,
Yep, I got a good howl out of that tidbit myself.
I’d imagine that presidential opinion holds about as much weight as the hoping for a change thing did! lol (The votin’ publick is looking as clownish as the chosen representatives. Maybe we could add in: rubes, marks, bumpkins and outright fools for buying the loads of bushwah shoveled by the media.)
What’s even funnier [for those that happened to notice] was the way they stuck Biden out there to float the trial balloon beforehand! “Hey, run Joe up the ol’ flagpole by the seat of his pants and see if anybody salutes.”
The whole episode is darkly hilarious, and shows “the process” [of lies and diversions] to be worth about as much as a bucket of warm spit.
To wit:
“The media I’ve had a lot to do with is lazy. We fed them and they ate it every day.” — Michael Deaver – Former top aide to President Reagan
There you have it. “Hey Mikey! He LIKES it!”
“just thought that I would let you know that as the antibiotics age, they become less effective. Not necessarily toxic, but definitely less effective.”
-X-
No question, X, and I wasn’t trying to argue.
Well, that’s not true, I’m always trying to argue.
I just try to argue in a way that adds light but not heat.
So, you’re 100% correct, all medications will degrade over a long enough time scale. The underlying chemistry of the complex covalent bonds that comprise modern medications – compels this.
That said, I read a website that quoted a study that cited a study that a commenter to that study mentioned a report – – – anyway, the DoD has supposedly done studies – and Cipro has the best storage life – 10+ years.
So – Let’s say it’s 14.5 years from now, TS went through TF, came out the other side, and no antibiotics are available in my region.
I’ve got a nasty suppurating anthrax infection that’s going to kill me. Will I break out the ammo box, break out the sealed bottle of Cipro
– and start throwing those “Fish Pill” capsules down my throat – following the dosage schedule that I printed and saved.
You bet your ass, X!
=======================================
Now – what if one of my sons and I both have that same exact infection, in the energy descended future?
What if we only had one course of Cipro left between us?
Would I force him to take the antibiotics for himself, in hopes that he would live – –
Knowing full well that I would, therefore, die?
You bet your ass, X.
That’s the level that I am at, when I use a phrase that I would defend my son, “to the death.”
The will to live and die is a serious business.
We should be careful with our hyperbole.
“My best friend in the world is a PETROLEUM ENGINEER and EROI is “shorthand” for the more proper ERoEI but EROI doesn’t say what the INVESTMENT is … which is energy. You’re a scientific dolt….”
-e-
Asoka is, indeed, a scientific dolt, E.
But he is an genius at generating heat but not light.
And that’s what he’s doing on CFN.
I’m not going to look this up in “peer reviewed” blah, blah. I’m just going to give an obvious explanation.
I suspect EROI may have originally stood for Energy Return On Investment. And that it probably bastardized into the more nuanced Energy Return On ENERGY Invested, over time – because it really doesn’t matter a whole lot, at the layman’s/voter’s level.
EROI and ERoEI could be considered, then, two slightly different concepts – the first oriented toward investment and accounting, and tax credits – the second oriented toward fossil fuel burned to extract fossil fuel.
I get the difference.
I’m sure you get the difference.
I’m sure asoka gets the difference.
I’m also sure that he can find some “peer reviewed” acronym research papers to prove me wrong. Heat but not light, right?
And if he can’t prove me wrong – he will call me a racist/white/atomic bomb dropper –
And once I’m one of those things, he and Buck, and Bill, and Mika don’t have to consider that I even deserve to live –
Much less that I might be right about anything.
=================================
And – speaking of nuance – I’ve got a more nuanced theory about why asoka trolls this site week after week – to the definite detriment of our host, JHK’s, bottom line.
I won’t get to it today, E.
Be sure to swing back through a few times this week to take a look. You’ll like it.
It’s logical.
P2C said:
Asoka is, indeed, a scientific dolt, E.
But he is an genius at generating heat but not light.
And that’s what he’s doing on CFN.
***********************************************************
A well-stated metaphor … HEAT but not LIGHT. Asoka is merely an aper of other people’s thoughts because his own scientific knowledge would fit into a thimble with room left over for three caraway seeds and a Hollywood producer’s heart. 🙂
On issues like PV cells, he merely quotes his “heroes” but could not possibly, himself, adjudicate between scientists of equal standing. Therefore, what he blithers in his posts is an irrelevancy even if his own heroes turn out to be correct because the point is that he places CFN posters in the position of arguing against non-available “experts” whose true expertise he is in no position to judge.
ERoEI is the most oft-used stat because it’s precise that we’re talking STRICTLY about ENERGY investment versus energy used and not some term which could be interpreted as including accounting data and other data not related directly to the using-up of energy. Asoka, because he’s a dope, tried to turn it into a “popularity contest” between EROI and ERoEI and when “his” abbreviation lost by 33% in pure usage, he declared victory. How do these nutters gain ANY mindshare on an intellectual site? It’s absolutely beyond me … unless you consider the amazing lack of personally-acquired scientific acumen on the board as a whole.
Asoka tries to win virtually all disputes by OUTSITTING people rather than OUTWITTING them because he’s at his fucking keyboard on this site, day in, day out, year round averaging a post an hour while he’s awake, if not more.
I’m not sure why you still see value here, P2C, because each post is an investment of time but when your “audience” here consists of trolls who are taken as pillars of the CFN community I see a huge waste of expressive effort.
E.
when “his” abbreviation lost by 33% in pure usage, he declared victory.
————
You falsely claimed EROI is not used on theoildrum
I declare victory because 301 is greater than zero.
I declare victory because the originator of the acronym at SUNY used EROI.
I declare victory because you are no longer teaching, and that makes me very happy.
“I’m not sure why you still see value here, P2C, because each post is an investment of time but when your “audience” here consists of trolls who are taken as pillars of the CFN community I see a huge waste of expressive effort.”
-e-
Good questions, E. Two answers:
1. I’m not doing this primarily for an “audience.” I’m doing it for my own knowledge and experience.
And I’m still answering my own questions, to wit:
How is that asoka trolls so well??
Why is it that people who should see through asoka., instead lap up his superficial defenses of them – as though it means something??
How do racists like asoka, operate so well in the realm of “heat but not light,” in our Political and Media Spheres – to the real long-term detriment of almost EVERYONE in our society????????
2. There is an audience watching and reading, although I have no idea how large that audience is, from day to day. I am in email communication with several former posters, who tell me they continue to read, even though they were banned, or lost interest in posting here, or both.
And then consider how Harvey Cohen, AND SJ Mom, two random and uninvolved “observers?” have both posted something to the effect that Mika is up to no good here –
An unknown, but real, number of people are reading and drawing conclusions, based on what is said here – and based on what is not said here.
So, we are doing some good work as several people search for insight, E.
I’m completely convinced of that.
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Now – It’s probably time for some Chinese spam, or for another attack on me from one of the “gang of five.”
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Read the post more carefully Kyoo.
“But IF newcomers don’t assimilate, IF they self segregate, IF they aren’t accepted into the mainstream, IF they don’t marry into the wider population, then disaster is the likely result.”
IF, IF, IF, IF
Like I said, America has been a huge success at integration and assimilation.
How will it go in the future? If the elite keep pushing this imbecilic multi-culti-ism, if they encourage people to live in their own self contained social and economic silos, what does common sense, your knowledge of human nature and a reading of history tell you will happen? Political and economic strife, a breakdown in social cohesion etc etc etc. Not rocket science. We’ve seen this movie before in other places.
But if the common people see through the divisiveness and idiocy of multi-culti-ism and they keep doing on their own what served America so well in the past then no worries. I think this is the more likely outcome.
Segregation of and by Blacks and Indians I agree is a big problem for historical and other reasons. This is a much tougher nut to crack. Newcomers typically subsume themselves in the greater whole within a couple generations. But their circumstances are/were different and better. For Blacks and Indians I think the process will be much tougher. But the clock keeps ticking and history eventually becomes history. I think it will happen for them too.
Too optimistic maybe in your opinion?
But he is an genius at generating heat but not light.
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I made 43 posts on EROI/EROEI (from scientific sources, not Newsweek), relating both EROI and EROEI to resource depletion, transportation, agriculture, alternative energies, etc.
The record is there. I used both EROI and EROEI, because both are used in the literature.
So far, instead of addressing the substance of EROI and its implications, an argument ensues about whether the correct acronym is EROI or EROE.
Who is generating light? Who is generating heat?
E –
It would be obvious to any neutral observer that you are more correct about EROI vs EROEI, vs ERoEI, than is asoka..
It is also obvious that you have more knowledge about the subject. You win on facts and logic and honesty and depth of knowledge – and by advancing an HONEST dialog.
So, you WON today’s trivial pursuit CFN acronym contest, E, hands down!!
So what will asoka do?
Some or all of the following variations:
1. Spin the discussion off into 33% vs 0%
2. Ignore my post about the technical nuances.
3. Attempt to generate heat but not light
4. Then when – other tactics fail asoka will slyly suggest that you and I are ONLY in agreement because logic and acronyms are the province of Racist White Americans Who Drop Atomic Bombs.
5. Generating more heat and even less light.
6. Rinse and repeat, until onset of nausea.
Why do you follow this pattern so, asoka.?
When you know it hurts JHK’s bottom line,
Because is stifles honest discussion.
You reveal your real values and priorities here. – Vlad
I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
My real values and priorities are to be fair and be practical.
You may not like Black people. But, Vlad, you can’t re-write history. You find yourself, just like Black people, in a set of circumstances that are not of your making with roots that go deep in time.
You’re an American. What does it mean to be American? Be a righteous person. Make the best of things. Be fair to the individual regardless of race. Give everyone a fair and even break. That doesn’t mean preferential treatment for anyone. If they transgress lock ’em up. If they behave, if they conduct themselves decently then they have a right to a place at the table.
Justice, Vlad, justice. This isn’t asking too much.
I have to level with you, you sound like someone trying harder and harder to hang onto beliefs that you don’t believe anymore. Turn a leaf Vlad.
Vlad, I think you say you’re a Christian. Can you imagine what Jesus would say? Jesus wasn’t preaching religious rocket science, it’s a no bullshit way of thinking, you’re fully responsible and accountable for what you do. But compassion, forgiveness and redemption are central. You live your life in the eye of eternity. What you say and do matters.
I not a doctor NOR do I intend to play doctor on CFN.
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I not a doctor either but I like to play doctor with that nurse with the big tits down in the ER.
;o)
Big bash tonite at George Clooneys! Millions of $ raised.
I spoke to an Afghan, one of those new Muslim immigrants to USA about a page one story I had seen
some years back.
‘Halekon’ [?] means boy.
More info is online, including dismal videos at Youtube. ‘Afghan Dancing boys’ or whatever should get you there.
Its a stone age culture. Child marriages, Population exploding, etcetc.
So USA imports it. DIVERSITY
Treatment for low T consists of raising testosterone to healthy safe levels using twice weekly injections of Testosterone or daily application of topical cream
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I was seeing a urologist with a pee problem (but that’s a whole ‘nother story) and mentioned my age related loss of libido. He gave me an Rx for a topical Testosterone cream. I discovered the stuff is ridiculously expensive so I said “to hell with it.” It’s also a little dangerous. It can grow hair on a billiard ball.
P.S. I think you intended to include a link in your post but forgot to do so.
Hey, don’t talk about Wage like that! :o)
Both you and Q are piss poor attribution hounds.
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According to Random House Dictionary the above bolded words need to be hyphenated. Otherwise your grammar is piss-poor.
Ok if you insist,
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Fetch Rhino – Asoka
Piss off.
You have zero credibility given the Everests of racist, asinine garbage you’ve left on this site.
I’m with Eleuthero and Procon on their assessments of your posts.
P2C, I made 43 posts about EROI/EROEI.
Please stop spinning this to make it about Asoka.
Please address the issue of EROI facing us all.
Asoka has shown how EROI affects many facets of our lives and how EROI has direct relevance to many aspects of the Long Emergency.
Instead of talking about who is winning inane arguments about acronyms, why not address the substance relevant to our future?
P2C, Asoka made 43 posts about EROI/EROEI.
Please stop spinning this to make it about Asoka’s grammar skills.
Please address the issue of EROI facing us all.
Asoka has shown how EROI affects many facets of our lives and how EROI has direct relevance to many aspects of the Long Emergency.
Instead of talking about grammar, why not address the substance relevant to our future?
Rhino, Asoka made 43 posts about EROI/EROEI.
Please stop spinning this to make it about Asoka’s credibility or his racism.
Please address the issue of EROI facing us all.
Asoka has shown how EROI affects many facets of our lives and how EROI has direct relevance to many aspects of the Long Emergency.
Instead of engaging in ad hominen attack, why not address the substance relevant to our future?
“President Barack Obama’s history-making embrace of gay marriage could
send far-reaching political aftershocks through a presidential
campaign defined by voter concerns about the economy but likely
decided by slivers of the electorate in a handful of battleground
states. ”
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Puck, look at the way your sentence appears above. You are unnecessarily hitting the Enter key in mid-sentence. Just keep typing and the software will automatically “wrap around” your words in the comment block at the appropriate places.
What are you trying to tell me, that the main stream press is a gang of ideologically blinkered, braying jackasses? Not exactly news.
But it’s sort of funny that the Dems might be on the winning side of one [ ] these ridiculous wedge issues. Truth be told, I don’t really [ ] a shit about gay marriage or abortion;
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What is this, drop-a-word day?
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Rhino, Asoka made 43 posts about EROI/EROEI.
Please stop spinning this to make it about Asoka’s credibility or his racism. – Asoka
Stop referring to yourself in the third person.
And piss off.
Q, this has nothing to do with hitting return in the middle of a sentence. Try again.
Rhino, Asoka made 43 posts about EROI/EROEI.
Please stop spinning this to make it about Asoka’s use of third person.
Please address the issue of EROI facing us all.
Asoka has shown how EROI affects many facets of our lives and how EROI has direct relevance to many aspects of the Long Emergency.
Instead of engaging in ad hominen attack, instead of telling Asoka to piss off, why not address the substance of the EROI articles that are relevant to our future?
All u pissed off MO-FO’s might want to check this site. It is pretty funny.
http://www.iampissedoff.com/dbpage.php?pg=all
So you want to become Homo Erectus? Apply the cream right to your member. Some say that such application will enlarge it just like Barry Bonds head became several sizes larger using his meds.
But there might be a down side but at your age it probably wont matter. So be our test subject and let us know.
Yes depressing. Women are “sacred” – in other words protected by law and the fists and swords of their fathers and brothers. So what to do? Boys! And of course White Women in Europe who have no protectors. Tell me if you know differently, but I’ve never seen any statistics about the difference between the rates of rape of White vs Muslim women. I bet it’s huge.
Re Asoka’s voting plans discussed by him upthread… be assured Asoka will vote for Obama, (not Jill Klein, or anyone else based on Supreme Court considerations) even though Asoka believes Obama should be tried for “war crimes.”
Also, as I opined here several months ago (with complete certainty), Obama WILL be re-elected.
“why not address the substance relevant to our future?” -asoka., regrading energy extraction-
Well, if you seriously wanted to discuss this –
Go back and read, (or reread while actually paying attention to the meaning of the words) my post @ 10:18.
EROI vs ERoEI is an important distinction to make, because of the regulatory, political, and business climates in the US.
I’m not sure it’s worth more than a post or two here, since the difference is a little technical.
But an honest and reflective post on the subject – might bring some interesting ideas to light for this ClusterFucked Nation.
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and yeah “scientific dolt,” is an ad hominem – sorry about that.
“heat but not light” is not an ad hominem, though
it’s what you do, more or less constantly –
Is this a DELIBERATE assault on JHK’s bottom line income from the website – or is it an ACCIDENTAL assault on JHK’s bottom line income?
Because it does impact JHK’s bottom line, and in the negative.
Why do you do harm to our host, JHK, topic after topic, week after week, asoka.?
That’s a whole nutter thing. Talk about obscene prophets….
I’m following the clue that you gave me. Have discovered the O’Higgins approach and whole Irish American School of Investing. The Dow is the beating heart of the Market. But heart attacks can happen – if only rarely. Look at B of A. Better to check in more than once a year now. O’Higgins wrote during they halcyon days of plenty.
My old boss used to mock Bishop O’Malley’s lisp. He thought him a muscular fag. He’s probably right.
There’s no spin, we’ve taken the measure of the man based on his commentary. You made your own reputation. Now enjoy it.
Eleuthero’s assessment of your posts is more than adequate.
And besides, I put many questions to you in response to your own posts which you sidestepped or responded to with inanities. I asked and re-asked the questions to no avail.
You have zero credibility Asoka. ZERO. In my humble opinion your commentary has been a detriment to this site, it hasn’t been an aid to rational, reasoned discussion but rather the opposite, you haven’t added to the sum of human knowledge but rather your many imbecilic assertions have subtracted from it, your racist screed hasn’t helped the cause of better relations between races but rather hindered it. Do you think words don’t matter? Your posts radiate malice (ie your sneering contempt for working class Americans), utter bullshit (who can forget your laughable and cringe-making claim of having lived, laughed, cried and danced – or whatever – with the poor of South America), inauthenticity (your claim of being an elderly black man which I would bet nobody believes), dishonesty (the way you twist the intended meaning of other’s posts). In my humble opinion that is.
Go away Asoka.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, that was SO fucking funny! I know of a few people here who could use a good rant or two. Thanks for the link.
Obama now finished with his evolution. Gay is the Way. But he’s still dodging with his states right dodge. He doesn’t belive in state’s rights on any other issue. Why not a Constitution Ammendment forcing everyone to be Gay?
The Church should cease requiring a marriage license from the State – which is now utterly pagan. The State should have been content with civil unions with equal rights in regards to benefits, hospital visitation, inheritance etc. But Gays are just to arrogant – they have to be equal with straights (and in their own minds superior). In reality, very few Gay Men have the slightest interest in marriage or the capacity to remain faithful. Lesbians more in both areas obviously. But what a terror that presents: imagine such harpies raising boys or for that matter two gay men doing so.
RT,
Wow, I wish these weepers would get it off their chests and tell us how they really feel. ;o)
Here’s a fun one from someone who’s got an unaccountable beef with the Nigerians, but it seems quite heartfelt:
>>Nigers
“Nigers are nasty, greasy motherfuckers. all they do is complain about how hard the work, most of them are lazy and eat at popeyes and kfc with their mommas money. they are just plain up gross. they have big nostrils and the IQ of an ethiopian with polio. And they look like shit, smell like shit, and the only excersice they get is walking through the unemployment line. they all have dumb names and they only reason why they are free is because the south lost in the civil war, Too bad KKK still isnt around. So fuck all u greasy NIGERS”
(Could this be a test-rant as an application for a slot on the laddie team? Ooooo, not gonna get ‘er done here. More name-dropping is required to give that certain sheen of over-educated sniffery and je ne sais quoi. Sorry, but thanks for comin’ by!)
I’m proud to say that I began the Anti-Asoka Movement as soon as I came to this site. When I first arrived, he was revered by people like Turk and Dale. But in trying to crush me, he revealed himself to be the goof that we know him to be – complete with Black Egypt and Afro-Supremacy.
Tragic about the Fish Meds being so cheap. What a mark up for people. What does that say about our values?
Finally after several years and days of rain my inky caps are sprouting like crazy! I never knew they could not be eaten when drinking!
http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Mushrooms.Folder/Alcohol%20Inky.html
What the heck, How can I have pasta,’shrooms and garlic without homemade vino? Major bummer.
Because it does impact JHK’s bottom line, and in the negative.
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Can you provide any evidence to support this claim?
Because it does impact JHK’s bottom line, and in the negative.
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Can you provide any evidence to support this claim?
(not counting the checks I receive to post here)
My EROI is positive (up to 12.25% return).
Life is good.
Eleuthero’s assessment of your posts is more than adequate.
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Yes, and I am in agreement with E. about the intellectual level of the posts here and the lack of engagement with issues that matter like EROI.
More fun just to attack each other, call each other names, and tell people to “go away” or “piss off” … how junior high of you.
Good job old man. Now go get your lovely wife another glass of ice tea as she lounges in the backyard hammock.
901A3C573RE is guilty again of cutting and pasting.
Don’t believe me? Go ahead and Google this sentence of his…
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It turns up 1.6 billion hits, which is a whole lot of black bowl-haircutted Chinamen in my estimation. I don’t mean to be busting anyone’s ricebowl here, but this game don’t fly with me…NO SIREE.
He’s right you know. Certain people (whole tribes?) from Nigeria smell abominably bad – like stale elephants. You say maybe I smell bad to them too? Quite possible – just one more reason (as if more were needed) to not mix with each other.
Oh now I get it: nigers as opposed to niggers. That’s rich! isn’t it Zone?
Your self righteous indignation at the very thought of a White having a problem with a Black reveals you as the hate filled fanatic that you are. Your kind of paternalism helps keep Blacks on the poverty plantation. Yet you can’t see it, can’t see your own condescension towards them. I hope some day you are blinded by the light of what you are – even St Paul was.
Rhino,
I enjoy many of your well thought posts here on CFN but your continual haranguing of Asoka is starting to remind me of that compulsive blowhard who can’t make a post without referencing the posters whom he incessantly obsesses over.
One whispering bitch bending ears in the ladies room is probably enough for any message board. Besides, unlike that pretentious phony who powders over his real agenda, you seem like a pretty straight shooter.
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My my, Buck, Bill asked us not to use ad hominems
Of course, that was in the same post where he called me a spoiled brat, so his word doesn’t count for much:
“One whispering bitch bending ears in the ladies room is probably enough for any message board. Besides, unlike that pretentious phony…”
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Bitch, you say. Bitch, yourself.
Actually I’m still waiting for you to show me anything that I typed, myself, on this discussion thread that proves that I am either antisemitic or racist. In context, please, with date and time. There’s nothing there.
Again, if there’s something – I’d like to see it.
Put up or shut up.
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And I’ve nevernwritten an email to JHK. I’ve never asked that a poster be banned. I never will.
I am making a case in these threads that what asoka does to this website transcends free speech issues, just for JHK – who can justify banning him for a couple of reasons logical and/or financial reasons.
Not that I care a whole lot. But I don’t like the way he Impedes honest dialog, to JHK’s detriment.
Other than that, its fun to saddle him up, put the spurs to him, and let him wildly gallop around that corral in his mind, fenced in my “logic.”
And it’s fun to watch the fawnish self-referential nature of you, Bill, and mika/met toward him.
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It says something about you that you backed down so meekly when asoka thrashed you over gay marriage today. Courage much?
And all this time I had been thinking you might be gay. Now, you are a slightly closeted homophobe, in the eyes of asoka and the PC community.
Oddly, not that you, Bill, or mika reads anything I write except for your GATCHA’ games.
But, I’ve had hundreds of black friends and coworkers and worked in contact with the public in integrated society for almost 40 years, now.
Somehow, I suspect I have you all beat on this score.
Yet, only you, mika, met, bill, and asoka, have ever called me racist – ever.
Also, one of favorite family members is my nephew “in-law” married to one of my sister in law’s sons. Did you catch that?
I wonder if you would set off his homophobe detector, like you did asoka’s?
Probably.
He’s also Jewish. He knows for a fact that I’m not antisemitic. He’s smart enough that Mika would certainly set of his “insanity detector.”
I know that if he had a choice between defending Mika or me “to the death,” that he would not pick Mika.
All of the above is true.
For any of you don’t believe it, I will politely ask that you go to Hell.
I’m sure you know the way.
“Can you provide any evidence to support this claim?” -asoka, costing JHK page visits-
It is logical that you hurt JHK’s page views, posts, and repeat traffic generated by “new” site visitors.
You consistently undercut JHK’s message, week after week. And you seem to take perverse pride in angering new posters – most of whom leave after only a couple of your impedimentary posts.
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I can’t prove it, though. JHK or his webmaster could probably deduce it by looking at visitor logs.
“Tragic about the Fish Meds being so cheap. What a mark up for people. What does that say about our values?” -vlad-
Honestly, since the fish meds are generic – the prices track the $4.00/prescription that pharmacies charge for generics in most? places.
The real money for people comes from having to pay for doctors visits, lab work, take time off, etc.
Which tells us that values in this country favor the medical establishment and corporate coffers over individual rights. Quelle suprise, eh?
Antibiotics are overused, though, in the US and around the world. Don’t take those things unless you are really sick, and are sure it is a bacterial illness of a type that the particular antibiotic is known to work on.
“The hate and malice that you propagate using shallow, simplistic stupidness as your tool is antithetical to civilization and civilized behavior.”
Wow, the hate you show for Asoaka, even lowering your self to a 5th grade level by calling him “assoka” is truly amazing.
So, Asoka must be doing the right thing, telling the TRUTH, and reflecting your hate right back at ya.
I admire Asoka, and wish him the best. In the end, he will still be alive an happy. You, rhino, will probably die from over stressing the small things. And from excess hate. Say, go smoke a joint, drink some beer, get laid, whatever, but drop the hating before it drops you.
Peas & Wuv, Dee 😉
And you wonder why I don’t bother reading much after Tues morn? But I was just curios to see if the dialog had improved any. It, sadly, hasn’t.
I can’t prove it, though.
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Oh, never mind then.
Jus’ more same ol’ same ol’
“I can’t prove it, though. JHK or his webmaster could probably deduce it by looking at visitor logs.”
-p2c, unedited-
Exactly what you do – constantly – to prove yourself right and the rest of the world wrong, asoka.
“Jus’ more same ol’ same ol'”
-asoka, exactly described-
The global economy namely amid biggest vogue than three months antecedent flush for vulnerabilities still need apt be addressed,China flights, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde said yesterday.
“The situation namely never as terrible alternatively as acute Lagarde said in New Delhi by a conference aboard the Indian and Chinese economies. “We are actually yonder from the abysm”
Signs of stabilization among Europe for the region fights its financial woes and a firming US recovery,have spurred one 11.five percent climb within the MSCI World Index of stocks this annual At the aforementioned time Lagarde said afterward by a click briefing that it shouldn’t be taken the duration of emergency namely over, and that a abrupt rise in fuel amounts would ache prevalent expansion.
“As distant because India namely concerned, infrastructure namely the key priority,” Lagarde said, along with shifting public costing toward chief investment.
Indian economic advance slowed apt 6.one percent final 15 min from a daily earlier the weakest pace within about three years. The highest borrowing costs since 2008 apt fight inflation and a drop among investment accept rankle advance surrounded Asia’s third-largest economy.
Lagarde reiterated that China have to continue to about-face toward domestic consumption for one engine of expansion.
I guess I can live with these people because I stopped being amazed at the stupidity surrounding me a long time ago. The illogic of my society would be astounding if I had just come to America. I don’t hate my country, but it has greatly disappointed me. It’s like I have good vision while people around me have cataracts.
Some day I will meet you, and not that far in the future. When we do meet, we can have a very long and interesting talk.It’s just not possible at this moment. Thank you for your kind words.
Ass Oka said:
I declare victory because 301 is greater than zero.
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And the point I made is that you’re one of a great many members of this blog who couldn’t understand a single page of the very “peer-reviewed” articles whose points you merely barf onto a screen here.
Since you can’t read those, you read some Newsweek writer’s take on the scientist’s take. And you certainly can’t take a stab at the physics itself with your own cognition because you don’t know shit from shinola.
And your argumentative style is incredibly disingenuous. For example, your “rebuttal” to this post might be that I’m a liar because you’ve never quoted a Newsweek writer’s work even though you know damned well that I’m using “Newsweek” as a metaphor for ANY mag. That’s your style … you try to make people look like assholes by insisting on literal interpretations when you know they’re being metaphorical. I’ve seen you do it here for a veritable LIVING.
There’s no aspect of your BEING that I like on this site. You’re a quoter of people but have no personal knowledge of your own through a scientific or engineering background. You pull rank by coming off with this quasi-Buddhistic shit when you want to appear “spiritual” when I could trounce you when it comes to actual knowledge of Buddhist theology and its theoretical underpinnings. You’re just another trendy, joiner, and idolater.
There isn’t a REAL bone in your entire fucking body and it’s obvious that you’re a racist and you enjoy being a pain in the ass far more than a real scholar. You’re “scholarship” is all second and third-derivative stuff. Even if you happened to be quoting a scientist I agreed with on an issue I know something about, I don’t care whether or not I agree with you because the CENTRAL fact is your IGNORANCE.
I’ve never changed my tone towards you. You spend your entire fucking life on this mediocre/poor blog because there are some people who routinely feed your infantile need for attention. I do so very rarely once every few months. To do so more than that would demean MYSELF for wasting the time castigating a shallow, dilettantish cretin like you. The time spent writing this is more than enough.
E.
Beantown said to Mika:
Some day I will meet you, and not that far in the future. When we do meet, we can have a very long and interesting talk.It’s just not possible at this moment. Thank you for your kind words.
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Now, ain’t this SWEET. Beantown wuvs his friend “I’m gonna smash your face in with a baseball bat”. Now this is cheesy drama at its finest. Isn’t it great to see Bill’s love for a sociopath on full display?You see, since Mika only wants to smash Honkie skulls, Bill gives him a “Divine All-Inclusive” dispensation from being a civilized being. If Mika had mentioned ONE black, brown, or Jewish skull, this romance would never have formed.
And that’s why both of you are the sick bastards that you are.
E.
Here’s my one reply to you:
Just because you’re not as intelligent as you hoped when you were young, couldn’t hack being a math major and had to settle for computer science, and then ended up disillusioned, teaching dumb, uninterested students at a 3rd rate school, don’t take it out on me.
And, BTW, you never replied to my question as to why you read and post here when you can’t stand most of the commenters and think the whole comment section is bogus. Afraid to? If I thought you were worth the effort, I’d tell you to seek professional help.
Is today the first day that this Blog has degenerated into a ‘FOR/AGAINST ASOKA’ thread???
Gosh.
Scroll by media!
antisoak, it is amazing. I have tried to divert comments away from me to concepts relevant to CFN like EROI. Somehow it always comes back to me. Guess I should feel honored that so many spend so much time with me as their object of attention, but what I want is for the topic of discussion to be problems we all face like resource depletion, alternative energies, environmental degradation, global overpopulation, nuclear proliferation, etc. Instead it always comes back to Asoka this and Asoka that… amazing. It’s like they have a hidden agenda to avoid meaningful discussion and the method they have chosen is to attack the messenger and divert attention from real problems back to … Asoka. Amazing.
I both love and hate Asoka depending on what he is manifesting. But note: I mostly hate because that’s what he mostly manifests. How can I be for anyone or anything since I’m not even for myself unreservedly? I both love and hate myself and have an inferiority/superiority complex and a love/hate relationship with everyone.
Sure sometimes the arrow hovers in the middle, but I don’t make it do so. And I certainly don’t pretend that’s its natural position anymore than any other place.
Of course, with an effort of will I keep it positive and upbeat for the sake of harmony. But unlike Prog and Rhino, I respect that Truth has its own claims. If I try to be well disposed towards all, that’s in spite of their natural inclinations. Hopefully they will do the same for me. Thus civil society is created based on the KNOWLEDGE of how bad people often are. Liberalism grows based on this good but shallow soil and trumpets the goodness of Man. It is enough to make the angels weep. And they continue to trumpet such pablum even as the guillotined heads begin to fall into baskets.
Contra Asoka, the Spiritual Traditions all say the negative outweighs the positive in the natural unenlightened man. In different ways: Christianity and its concept of our fallen nature, Judaism with the evil will, Buddhism saying that most of the habitual mental states are negative, Hinduism with its dwarf soul being crushed by Shiva, etc.
Thus true seekers should be Conservatives – real one a la Edmund Burke not Rush or any of the Neo Cons who are too focused on other things such as Capitalist Economics or Conquering the World.
Miscellanea
1. HEY DOOMERS!! It’s Howdy Doody Time!
See this NYT Op-Ed piece titled Game Over for the Climate (Subtitled: If Canada exploits its tar sands, civilization will be at risk.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/opinion/game-over-for-the-climate.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=game%20over%20for%20the%20climate&st=Search
2. Elsewhere in The Times the following title caught my eye: Sexuality and Other Multitudes and Contradictions. It concerns a book titled In One Person, by John Irving. It is primarily about bi-sexuality. In the entire review there is no mention of the famous line from Walt Whitman with which Asoka is so enamored – “Do I contradict myself, very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.”
Have I stumbled upon an explanation for this enigmatic line? Bi-sexuality.
3. I was outside working my ass off today and, uncustomarily, not paying attention to “the market.” When I finally got around to checking “extended hours trading” I see that many stocks are down sharply as are the index futures. Apparently the reason is that JP Morgan unexpectedly announced it had taken a 2 billion dollar hit in derivitives transactions. The market has been looking for a reason to go down…maybe this is it. We’ll know more at 9:30 AM tomorrow.
“President Barack Obama’s history-making embrace of gay marriage could send far-reaching political aftershocks through a presidential campaign defined by voter concerns about the economy but likely decided by slivers of the electorate in a handful of battleground states. ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2-I31Imis&feature=fvwrel
I could trounce you when it comes to actual knowledge of Buddhist theology and its theoretical underpinnings.
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Buddhist theology? Bwaaahaaahaaahaa!
Your ignorance is incredible. Buddhism is atheist.
Do you even know what the word theology means? Have you been reading Wikipedia again?
We’re all trolls here in the dungeon.
I was all in for Obama in 2011 but it looks like he just stepped in it- gay marriage.
He looks like they guy trying to compete on likability. He could lose to Romney. After all Romney has an underdog’s natural advantage for a fickle electorate.
The re-election of a religious nut attack dog will alarm and confuse the world, which is pretty much BAU since 2001. 🙂 Let the good times roll.
As long as Canuckistan is along for the ride we can drive all night.
Toys in the Attic [or closet] or Dogs in the Dungeon!???
No Prez whos leading [cough] us in war has ever lost a reelection! Thats why Bush2 started 2.
AA news of the day:
TrayVon Martin was made a ‘honorary citizen’ of Birmingham Alabama.
DONT BLACKS HATE GAY MARRIAGE?
ARE BLACKS THE RACE MOST LIKELY TO GAY BASH?
ARE MOST BLACK MALES DOWN LOW?
I was all in for Obama in 2011 but it looks like he just stepped in it- gay marriage.
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Yeah, he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. The Black A.M.E. ministers are against gay marriage, so Obama risks alienating Blacks, evangelists, Latino Catholics, etc.
The most politically correct thing would have been to wait until after the election to share his personal stand on gay marriage. But Obama wasn’t speaking out to win votes. It wasn’t political. Now he has to live with the consequences … which may be that public opinion turns in his favor. We’ll have to wait and see.
Romney is against marriage and against civil unions. He just doesn’t want people to have equal rights. But Romney’s position has changed.
Romney’s position on gay marriage has “evolved”
Yr comments lately have been akin to those of a Nitwit!
Who does the banking for the gun makers?
Who finances both sides of the electoral?
Soros? Koch? Gates?
‘And these “international bankers” you talk about. Power, in my own estimation, doesn’t emanate from corporate boardrooms, or company coffers, it ultimately emanates from the barrel of a gun.’
Yes, The Rothschilds, the first and maybe greatest
of those big bad Int bankers, thats who hes referring to, Nitwit.
No Prez whos leading [cough] us in war has ever lost a reelection!
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I think this is the first time we have ever had a president up for re-election during a war who was Black.
Yr forgiven…………Chick Publications!!!!hahah
antisoak, Rhino called me a Fuckweed, then apologized.
You have just called Rhino a Nitwit. Please apologize to him.
We have to stop name calling and have civil exchanges on a wide range of topics.
IF YOU LOVE HIM SEXT HIM.
YOU 2 CAN GO DOWN LOW VIA INTERNET.
Big government needs more regulators and regulations to avoid speculative trading and hedging leading to US$2 BILLION in losses.
We need the Volcker Rule to prohibit government-insured banks from taking big market bets with their own money.
JPMorgan’s large, unexpected losses are evidence of the need for BIG GOVERNMENT regulation to prevent trading desk losses. People’s pensions are at risk (those lucky enough to have a pension).
“We have to stop name calling and have civil exchanges on a wide range of topics.”
And we shall the swifter ya bite me crank, matey.
SAYETH THE KING (Rodney, that is)
“Can’t we all just smoke a bong?”
Yesterday’s Washington Post story about a young Mitt Romney at the exclusive Cranbrook School in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. shows that Romney is the white bully leading a group of boys in a vicious incident in which they pinned down and cut off the dyed-blond hair of a “different” classmate.
Romney’s assertion in interviews Thursday that he didn’t remember the attack — an event attested to by a half-dozen of his fellow students — isn’t credible. Either it happened or it didn’t. Saying you don’t remember won’t cut it.
The image of a nasty, “Lord of the Flies”-style Romney at a formative time of his life will have an impact. One reason is that the story broke against the backdrop of President Obama’s decision to support same-sex marriage. Issues in gay life were already top of the mind.
Easy Useless Economics
By PAUL KRUGMAN
“A few days ago, I read an authoritative-sounding paper in The American Economic Review, one of the leading journals in the field, arguing at length that the nation’s high unemployment rate had deep structural roots and wasn’t amenable to any quick solution. The author’s diagnosis was that the U.S. economy just wasn’t flexible enough to cope with rapid technological change. The paper was especially critical of programs like unemployment insurance, which it argued actually hurt workers because they reduced the incentive to adjust.
O.K., there’s something I didn’t tell you: The paper in question was published in June 1939. Just a few months later, World War II broke out, and the United States — though not yet at war itself — began a large military buildup, finally providing fiscal stimulus on a scale commensurate with the depth of the slump. And, in the two years after that article about the impossibility of rapid job creation was published, U.S. nonfarm employment rose 20 percent — the equivalent of creating 26 million jobs today.
So now we’re in another depression, not as bad as the last one, but bad enough. And, once again, authoritative-sounding figures insist that our problems are “structural,” that they can’t be fixed quickly. We must focus on the long run, such people say, believing that they are being responsible. But the reality is that they’re being deeply irresponsible.
What does it mean to say that we have a structural unemployment problem? The usual version involves the claim that American workers are stuck in the wrong industries or with the wrong skills. A widely cited recent article by Raghuram Rajan of the University of Chicago asserts that the problem is the need to move workers out of the “bloated” housing, finance and government sectors.
Actually, government employment per capita has been more or less flat for decades, but never mind — the main point is that contrary to what such stories suggest, job losses since the crisis began haven’t mainly been in industries that arguably got too big in the bubble years. Instead, the economy has bled jobs across the board, in just about every sector and every occupation, just as it did in the 1930s. Also, if the problem was that many workers have the wrong skills or are in the wrong place, you’d expect workers with the right skills in the right place to be getting big wage increases; in reality, there are very few winners in the work force.
All of this strongly suggests that we’re suffering not from the teething pains of some kind of structural transition that must gradually run its course but rather from an overall lack of sufficient demand — the kind of lack that could and should be cured quickly with government programs designed to boost spending.
So what’s with the obsessive push to declare our problems “structural”? And, yes, I mean obsessive. Economists have been debating this issue for several years, and the structuralistas won’t take no for an answer, no matter how much contrary evidence is presented.
The answer, I’d suggest, lies in the way claims that our problems are deep and structural offer an excuse for not acting, for doing nothing to alleviate the plight of the unemployed.
Of course, structuralistas say they are not making excuses. They say that their real point is that we should focus not on quick fixes but on the long run — although it’s usually far from clear what, exactly, the long-run policy is supposed to be, other than the fact that it involves inflicting pain on workers and the poor.
Anyway, John Maynard Keynes had these peoples’ number more than 80 years ago. “But this long run,” he wrote, “is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the sea is flat again.”
I would only add that inventing reasons not to do anything about current unemployment isn’t just cruel and wasteful, it’s bad long-run policy, too. For there is growing evidence that the corrosive effects of high unemployment will cast a shadow over the economy for many years to come. Every time some self-important politician or pundit starts going on about how deficits are a burden on the next generation, remember that the biggest problem facing young Americans today isn’t the future burden of debt — a burden, by the way, that premature spending cuts probably make worse, not better. It is, rather, the lack of jobs, which is preventing many graduates from getting started on their working lives.
So all this talk about structural unemployment isn’t about facing up to our real problems; it’s about avoiding them, and taking the easy, useless way out. And it’s time for it to stop.”
SOURCE: NYT, May 10, 2012
How did you gather all of that information? Could it be in a place where the phenomena of mass communication actually took hold? Didja’ ever wonder what happens in the places where it didn’t take hold? Hmmm…I wonder if there are such places…maybe Nashville. Didja’ ever wonder how much longer a seventh century culture will be able to sit on top of the most sought after commodity on the planet?
ROBERT ZIMMERMAN SEZ
I’ve never engaged in this kind of thing before
But, yes indeed
I think it can be easily done
FROM WILLARD ROMNEY’S OWN MOUTH:
Romney’s assertion in interviews Thursday that he didn’t remember the attack —
AND EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY OF SIX WITNESSES THAT ROMNEY IS LYING
an event attested to by a half-dozen of his fellow students
Didja’ ever wonder how much longer a seventh century culture will be able to sit on top of the most sought after commodity on the planet?
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Didja’ ever wonder how the world’s most incompetent military could occupy Afghanistan for ten years and have their enemy grow stronger during that time?
Didja’ ever wonder how much longer a seventh century culture will be able to sit on top of the most sought after commodity on the planet?
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Didja’ ever wonder why the USA abandoned an $80 million embassy located near those oil fields? Because the USA military is incompetent and unable to provide security to the embassy, is unable to whip the Taliban, and the USA military is about to get their asses kicked out of Afghanistan by another military force they could no defeat.
CORRECTION
the USA military is about to get their asses kicked out of Afghanistan by YET another military force they could NOT defeat.
“FROM WILLARD ROMNEY’S OWN MOUTH”
Your first mistake is that you are listening to
THE WORDS COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH
Your second mistake is thinking that I actually give a fuck what the mainstream media says about anything.
And no, I don’t
“wonder how the world’s most incompetent military could occupy Afghanistan for ten years and have their enemy grow stronger during that time”
Incompetent compared to who? The Afghanistan military? Surely, you jest. And I swear to GOD that if you post “Don’t call me Shirley”, I will find you, and I will kill you.
As for the enemy growing stronger, the only thing their growing is POPPIES (…under our supervision) (…OK, OK…probably the English, too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG2keYgBiZc
Associated Press reported that the autopilot automotive technology similar to the aircraft’s autopilot function, the occupants do not need to intervene in the driving or just need to do very little manipulation. Vehicle laser detection devices to identify obstructions such as pedestrians, bicycles and motor vehicles, to maintain a buffer distance to ensure the automobile detour. solar heater
Nevada vehicle bureau, said earlier in the highway, city streets and Las Vegas downtown region tests show that autonomous vehicles can safely travel, even safer than manned. Car HKMA issued a modified version of "Toyota Prius" car "001" license plate number next to "infinity" sign.
Nevada car Authority Commissioner Bruce Bradley Slovenian autonomous vehicles is expected to push the market 3-5 years later. Solar Water Heater
According to the Australian Daily Telegraph "reported on May 10, trapped in Antarctic waters, a Brazilian wreck a fuel leak and pose a threat to the local ecological environment. wedding Gowns
Aboard the Brazilian wreck known as "boundless sea", April capsized and sank in 12 meters of water near the naval base in Chile and Brazil. All crew members were rescued after the accident, no casualties, but the bad weather people so far unable to dive to check the extent of damage of the ship.
The ship carrying thousands of liters of fuel. Veronica Valley Jos Veronica Vallejos, Chilean Antarctic Institute, said it is unclear to oil spill severity. It is reported that before the long Antarctic winter ends in October this year, oil spills can not be controlled.
The most serious wreck in the Antarctic oil spill occurred in 2007, the sunken cruise ship was carrying 200,000 liters of fuel. Bridal gowns
Didja’ ever wonder why the USA military war criminals, who illegally attacked Afghanistan and illegally tortured, are unable to defeat a seventh century military force?
The Charge
Crime of Torture and War Crimes against former U.S. President George W. Bush and his associates namely Richard Cheney, former U.S. Vice President, Donald Rumsfeld, former Defence Secretary, Alberto Gonzales, then Counsel to President Bush, David Addington, then General Counsel to the Vice-President, William Haynes II, then General Counsel to Secretary of Defence, Jay Bybee, then Assistant Attorney General, and John Choon Yoo, former Deputy Assistant Attorney-General.
The Tribunal will adjudicate and evaluate the evidence presented on facts and law as in any court of law. The judges of the Tribunal must be satisfied that the charge is proven beyond reasonable doubt and deliver a reasoned judgement. The verdict and the names of the persons found guilty will be entered in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and publicised worldwide.
Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCC)
I will find you, and I will kill you.
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You are generating chatter in the intelligence communities and your threat will be noted.
“You are generating chatter in the intelligence communities and your threat will be noted.”
Cool.
Noted by who? You?
Shit. Looks like I won’t be gettin’ any sleep tonight.
So tell me, what kind of reprisals can the citizens of the United Snakes of Armenia expect from the “Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission” (Y’all may know it as the KLWCC).
Pinochet probably asked the same question.
What question would that be? Whether Assoka is retarded or not?
Your insults have ended this exchange.
Good night, Xhalor. I hope you sleep well.
Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.
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And Now,
The News for Dinks.
OhboyOhboyOhboy!! Can’t wait!
And where can I get me one o’ them auto-piloted auto-mobiles? (Shit, I thought that “automobile” term already had that covered, but NOOoooo, it only means that it’s self-mobile when PILOTED. “So disappointed in lazy terminology, I am. And gas, I need.” -Yodi)
Some wakey-wakey music for us all!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT9hvyDvKHA&feature=related
“…a centripetal vortex of unpaid obligations sucks notional wealth through the event horizon of massive deflation.
Things are heating up, in other words. Wake up, sleepyheads! Welcome to the rest of the year 2012.” -JHK
X,
BTW, thanks for the Capt. Pissgums and the Pervert Pirates reference!
S. Clay Wilson rulz in Creepyland.
(Don’t forget Lester Gass, the Midnight Misogynist. Eww, “nasty” don’t cover it.)
I’m looking for news on last nites fundraising extravaganza at George Clooney’s house but can’t find much. The local network took the angle: “Who’s handsomer, Obama or Clooney”. Pretty hard hitting commentary, huh? This weeks fundraiser had an extra twist because of Obama’s announcement on homo marriage, and all the billionaire hollywood queers attended, ready to write fat checks. $15 million was raised, not a bad take. Obama is fond of Indonesian dogmeat but I don’t think hollywood shithead actors and billionaire faggots would spend $40,000 per plate for dogmeat. No, it had to be something more refined, like Kobe Beef!
While Jamie Dimon was yucking it up with the hosts on CNBC, his company, JP Morgan, was accruing losses of $2 billion in the past six weeks. How long is the media going to tell us we are in recovery? It must be hard for them to report the events at MF Global and JP Morgan. Here’s the answer: till after election day in November.
–WSP7
I found it! Wolfgang Puck was the chef and Roast Duckling was on the menu, not dog meat. Babs and Diane Von Furstenberg were in attendance!!!! These are clearly the 1%, but oddly enough nobody spotted any Owsers protesting outside Clooneys house. That’s strange, isn’t it?
Jim’s right, these are the last days.
–WSP7
Bankers wave around money. They wield influence. It’s true that they run criminal enterprises. But we’re too afraid of bankers. Stalin asked a good question, how many divisions does the Pope have? Similarly, how many divisions did the Rothschilds have? Men with balance sheets are no match for men with guns.
The story that Dimon is peddling doesn’t make a lot of sense to me at least. If JP Morgan was doing mark to market honestly and competently you’d think that their hedges would have accrued losses over time and not in one big two billion dollar blast (with another billion apparently somewhere in the pipe). The other possibility is that they weren’t doing hedging but rather these losses were a result of trades on their own account ie massive bets that they lost and had to recognize. I would have loved to listen in on the conversation between Dimon and the CFO when the CFO had to cough up the bad news.
As Warren said when the tides recede you find out who’s wearing a swim suit. If Greece pulls the plug on the Euro or if a multitude of other possible financial or political bombs detonate we’ll see who’s got what exposure to what ie who wearing trunks.
Right now IMO govts and central banks just papered over the problems with money printing. They’ve been doing this same thing since the 1990s every time some bubble or other bursts. But the effect each time is to inflate more bubbles to even more destructive effect.
I think this is the first time we have ever had a president up for re-election during a war who was Black.
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Asoka, I think you’ll have to agree that the above is VERY poor sentence structure. They’ve got a name for it in grammar circles but I don’t know what it is — split infinitive maybe?
Anyway, it was not a war who was black but a president. Better wording might have been:
I think this is the first time we have ever had a Black president up for re-election during a war.
Say, Asoka, speaking of EROI here is an article on the Oil Drum that is very interesting:
New IMF Working Paper Models Impact of Oil Limits on the Economy (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9182#more)
Keep up the good work, remember, you are a mirror to the haters hate, reflect it back with love.
Dee
I wonder how many arrived in Green Limos powered
by Bio Diesel? Was Bono there?
So, Asoka must be doing the right thing, telling the TRUTH, and reflecting your hate right back at ya. – Dee
…telling the TRUTH? Pathetic Dee. Pa-thet-ic.
was made a ‘honorary citizen’
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an ‘honorary citizen’
Anti, you and several others here (e.g. Prog is a prime offender) cannot for the life of you seem to get this rule straight.
Use an when the following word begins with a vowel sound. Use a when it begins with a consonant sound. So, in this case, although honorary begins with a consonant, the h is silent.
Have I stumbled upon an explanation for this enigmatic line? Bi-sexuality.
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Asoka, as CFNs leading proponent of multitudes and contradictions, I am disappointed you have had nothing to say about the comment I posted last night (excerpt above). Let me be blunt, are you bi-sexual? Is there someone else in your life (sexually) besides Mrs Asoka, and your fist, of course?
So I guess the question for Mr Hansen and other oh so concerned, self-congratulating “environmentalists” is whether they are going to stop driving.
Ask any soccer mom if they’re going to give up the minivan. I’ll bet they’ll tell you that the interests of their kids come first, they need the wheels to get the kids to practice, buzz off, end of discussion.
So when push comes to shove NOBODY gives a damn about the environment because everyone’s first priority is to protect their standard of living. Is this too cynical?
Another thing: about these trillion dollar debt bombs the feds are building year in and year out, what’s your view on some kind of national sales tax or value added tax as a “revenue enhancer”. I know what you’re going to tell me about Republican opposition and the national allergy to taxes in general but what’s your own view of such a thing?
This is neat, according to Bloomberg, China has stopped buying European govt debt.
This too is neat, Reuters story says banks are preparing for the return of the drachma.
I think that this European mess has to be resolved quickly.
I think that the pointy Euro heads looking grave and wise, saying deep things and waving their monetary wands isn’t going to work as any resolution has to pass muster with the mob in the street.
If there’s a stench of favoritism for the wealthy the man in the town square is going to be ready with rocks and molotovs.
Hunger is an under-estimated force in politics. The stinky little fascists popping up may look little and stinky but Europe has a history of falling under the sway of stinky little murderers.
BTW talking about stinky, Hitler apparently bathed very little. I think it was Speer that said that in meetings everyone hoped that Hitler kept his jacket on because if he didn’t it would be a big problem for everyone present.
You’ve known hundreds of Blacks over the decades yet you never realized the depth of hatred that many Black have for us till now? Do you realize the depth of your own Political Correctness? Do you realize how much you were blocking out and not hearing? How much you were controlling your own mind? Political Correctness is a very advance form or mind control in which the victims themselves actively participate in their ongoing subjugation. The Soviet Union never had anything this complete in such vast numbers. Of course they don’t believe they’re being controlled – that’s the perfection of it.
You must accept that you are in recovery and still subject to relapse. It calls for humility. Trying to be “a good White (nigger), better than those racists like Vlad” is the essence of your conflict now. You are not more virtuous than me, not in this area at least. It’s just an ego thing based on nonsense. If you want to be virtuous, then do so on the basis of Reality, of WHAT IS, not what is not.
I grant that many of those Blacks you knew might have been on their best behavoir. But even so you I dare say you weren’t looking underneath the facade. Take people one by one? I can and do up to a point. But that doesn’t conflict with generalizing – an important form of thinking. A form absolutely required for any kind of leadership or planning – or for survival. When I meet or deal with Blacks I am much more on my guard. That’s rational after all. But if they don’t act badly, I don’t react to them as if they have if they haven’t. Perhaps they don’t like me being on guard? That is my right. And in any case, I don’t believe in automatic or unearned trust and friendship, be somone Black or White. Some Whites trip my alarms as much as any Black.
Christianity has become a slave morality for the most part. I mean we’re expected to forgive people who aren’t sorry now. Even God doesn’t do that, how can we and why should we? Putting something out of one’s mind so it doesn’t destroy you is a whole other thing. That’s valuable but that people conflate that with forgiveness shows their superficiality – and such foolisness is encouraged of course. I don’t mean making a big deal of our little tensions and holding a grudge either.
Countless lies have been told about Hitler. You believe all of them – even when they contradict.
Many World Leaders spoke of his greatness. Lloyd George and John F Kennedy for example.
You’re not a Christian and you want Christians to be as weak as possible. Thus you advocate the slave morality of forgiving everyone and everything. And no generalizing (thinking) allowed. Why did the Church love Aristotle so much? For his generalizations of all things – called the Categories.
Pretty good post there, Rhino, about Jamie Dimon and the losses at JP Morgan. To paraphrase Ozone, they are already slapping a happy face on it, blaming it on a single trader in London, and calling it a “buying opportunity”. So look the other way. Nothing happening there.
Thinking further about the events in Hollywood last night, can you imagine for a moment Jack Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson, smoozing with a gaggle of homosexuals, shamelessly shaking them down for campaign swag, and discussing the wonders of sodomy. I can’t. This is how far we have sunk.
–WSP7
“If there’s a stench of favoritism for the wealthy the man in the town square is going to be ready with rocks and molotovs.”
A stench? We can barely walk through it now…
“The central banks of the West–the US Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and the UK bank–are totally committed to the prosperity of the mega-rich. No one else counts. Marx and Lenin never had a target as exists today. Yet, the left-wing is today so feeble and brainwashed that it does not exist as even a minor countervailing power. The American left-wing has even accepted the absurd official account of 9/11 and of Osama bin Laden’s murder in Pakistan by Navy Seals. A movement so devoid of mental and emotional strength is useless. It might as well not exist.”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/05/10/does-the-west-have-a-future/#comments
Quote the raven, evermore.
Yes the Tower falls piece by piece. Can you imagine the Founding Fathers being able to stand being in the same room as John F Kennedy?
One election night a friend and I watched the returns. He got out a book of pictures of Presidents. Up to Carter they were serious. After that they all had to be smiling. This shows a profound psychic change. Now we demand a show. That’s what happens if you let women vote.
Can you believe that once we even had bachelor presidents? Inconcievable now.
Hi Anti, My ol’ lady and I rode the Columbia tandem to the Clooney Gala. Unfortunately the Secret Service guys made us use the back entrance because they thought we were delivering the Foie Gras from the French take-out joint down the street. They actually asked what my wife charged by the hour for a three -way! It must have been the French maid outfit she was wearing!And as always I was dressed as a forty pound goose with an enlarged liver!
Thank you, Dee. The smile in my heart cannot be removed by their hate or their military divisions.
Asoka, as CFNs leading proponent of multitudes and contradictions…
Q., if you read carefully you will notice that I have been completely consistent when it comes to my core values. I never contradict myself about principles.
But life is fluid. Things change. I don’t believe in the hobgoblin of foolish consistency (Emerson).
To maintain a position and refuse to change, even when life presents you with new data, is foolish.
Meanwhile in Boston, Oba]mas Uncle gets his ‘wetback license to drive’ [today]?
And Auntie has a website and a book…
called [cough] ‘TEARS OF ABUSE’.She recounts her ‘vacation’ [while on the dole] in the USA.
woops, did not proof!
Kinda like USAs last 3 wars, little info in Lamestream, No pix of coffins, Human Interest Stories [what was the blondies name who was captured and rescued?].
No info in Lamestream about Radioactivity.
But on Youtube are horrific pix of deformed babies.
Bachelors = Gays, yes?
Smile, yr in the New Age! I once had a woman at at a Hindu Teachers talk angrily demand I believe we are in a ‘New Age’.
REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR WAR … AGAIN
During debate over the Pentagon budget on Wednesday evening, Adam Smith introduced a resolution expressing “the sense of Congress that the president should accelerate the transition of security responsibility to the Afghan National Security Forces and draw down United States military forces in Afghanistan as quickly as possible.” While largely in line with popular opinion on the war, the measure was defeated 34-27, with only two of the committee’s Republican members voting in favor of it.
Quote the raven, evermore.
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It’s quoth and it’s nevermore
what’s your view on some kind of national sales tax or value added tax as a “revenue enhancer”.
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My views on taxation are so extreme that I may as well not discuss them. I can’t imagine that such views as mine could ever be enacted since they would first require shrinkage of government at all levels by something like 75%. I really don’t have a precise number in mind. But, for example, in my world government would have nothing to do with education. And what were the other 4 depts that Ron Paul wants to get rid of? I say yeah, them too. Always err on the side of shrinking govt too much. Never err on growing govt too big. Govt is a force like gravity…like a law of nature. It ALWAYS tends toward expansion. It cannot help itself. There would be no such thing as government subsidies, nor foreign aid.
I am no longer affiliated with any political party. They all make me sick. Politicians are a certain type of being who also make me sick.
Once everyone was on board with the concept of a vastly smaller role for government in our lives the issue of taxation would not seem so daunting.
I would start by scraping every last word of all tax code at all levels as it currently exists. Taxes would NOT be based on income in my world. When I think of the absurdity of the code devoted to measuring income I want to puke (1, 2, 3, puke). The complexity is beyond belief. Think about the armies of bean counters such as myself with 4-year college degrees in Accounting and Masters in Finance, much of which comes down to a calculation of income or a search for loopholes. People like myself and former CFNer Cash could have devoted our inclination for counting into something more worthwhile in the sciences.
I would base taxes strictly on expenditure. A sales tax applicable to EVERYbody and EVERYthing. Obviously the rich would pay more and the poor less but both would pay the same percent. The churches too. I don’t know what that % would be but let’s say 5 or 10%. Some mechanism would be established for dividing up these tax dollars between local, state and federal.
Please DO NOT start telling me that Ooooooooo this would be “regressive” and the poor would be fucked…as if this is something I had never thought of.
We would ALL – rich and poor – be sooo much better off.
Q, my sentiments exactly. Less is more. Smaller is better. I’ve held most of your views for over 40 years, and for me, personally, don’t consider them far out.
I’d like to see a government philosophy of always seeking ways to make the size of government smaller and smaller (even though it goes against your government and gravity analogy – which btw, is true).
Our tax code is an abomination. We ought to have to fill out only a one or two page tax form annually that anyone of average intelligence could complete. Whole professions – like tax preparers – sprung into existence or greatly expanded since 1913.
Sorry, my guests have arrived and I have to prematurely end this post, but I got a lot more to say. Later.
provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
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Yeah, like I said the word used in the Constitution (not the Preamble) is provide, not promote.
CORRECTION
Yeah, like I very clearly said, the word used in the body of the Constitution (not the Preamble) is provide, however much you wish it said promote.
While Republicans mocked President Barack Obama for holding fundraiser at the home of George Clooney, he may be the one getting the last laugh.
The 150-person event, held Thursday night, brought in $15 million
Seems like Obama can easily fund raise more than the opposition, has bigger rallies, is tougher on defense, has cut more taxes than Bush, has deported more immigrants than Bush, has laid off more government workers (Bush created a large government bureaucracy in TSA), has more support from minorities (including the new white minority), and is all around just a more likeable person than Willard “I like to fire people and don’t care about the poor” Romney.
Great blog.
As a fiction novelist (conspiracy thrillers) I can honestly say that I will never run out of material. The lack of understanding of how the ruling elite, the dominant pecuniary interests that own both parties, are looting the entire planet translates into a virtually endless number of conspiracies. My biggest problem is generally to tone down reality to where it’s believable. Even with the economy in free fall, the Fed handing out $16 trillion to for-profit banks (many of them not in the US) as loans (that were “paid back” by…new loans, duh), and powerful financial players literally stealing billions without ever being prosecuted, the average Joe has no understanding or interest in what’s being done. Some of my most vociferous critics complain that I am too “political” in many of my books, political being shorthand for positing that the powers that be aren’t up to any good. That is stunning to me, as a student of human history. Understanding that power corrupts isn’t political. It’s common sense.
The educational system has created a nation of people just smart enough to operate the machinery, but not smart enough to wonder what the machinery does (I think I stole that, BTW, but it’s too good not to use). That is by design. It has taken several generations to dumb down the citizenry to the point where cheap bread and circuses are the order of the day. That didn’t end well for Rome. It’s not going to end well in the US either. I live in Mexico – a crooked country run by the ruling elite for their own enrichment. Everyone knows it. Nobody gets upset if you say so. Yet in the US, there’s this odd conceit that somehow human nature has excluded our crooks/politicians/banksters from being equally bad, or worse, to the kleptocrats operating all over the world.
I am new to your blog, but think it makes sense to support you with some advertising. I’ll be in touch. Keep up the good work.
“And I’ve nevernwritten an email to JHK. I’ve never asked that a poster be banned. I never will.
I am making a case in these threads that what asoka does to this website transcends free speech issues, just for JHK – who can justify banning him for a couple of reasons logical and/or financial reasons.”
And so you support Vlad and think that his racist rants are an actual POSITIVE for Jim’s blog? Really? You are also one twisted person.
I have talked to quite a few people that have quit reading this site PRIMARILY because of Vlads continual racist postings, and Jims refusal to moderate them. Plus the other clowns/sockpuppets, such as mika, et al.
The haters on this site are so twisted that they see reason, truth & love as insanity, lies & hate.
Jim should really just close this comment section down, but then there might be a spike in the suicide rate for all those out there with no other outlet – but then again, that might be a GOOD THING!
Again, I have to applaud Asoka for reflecting all the hate back with the clear light of truth & love. Perhaps he is truly the Bodhisattva of Infinite Compassion.
Dee
PS: If your antibiotics have an expiration date of 2015, that means they are useless in 3 (three) years, NOT in 15 (fifteen) years.
Hope your wife balances your checkbook.
Dee
Hey, I think I will play the Wino ( for Rhino 🙂 game:
No, your more pathetic, but what am I? (remember this from grade school?).
Or, perhaps I should call him Whine-o, cause he keeps whining like a little baby and calling people school age names like “assoka” or “fuckweed”, which I thought was a type of pot that got you really in a sensuous kind of state.
Or maybe I’ll mix them up and call him Wino the Whine-o…..
Aww…. this is boring and childish……
Dee
I don’t think you really read all my posts, dear Dee – because I specifically mentioned extended storage studies by the DoD for antibiotics.
Which brings us to the three categories of posters on CFN who think asoka is a net positive for the dialog on the website:
1. Doctrinaire posters of extreme and racist thoughts, who appreciate the support of a fellow extremist. (Bill, Mika, Buck)
2. Shallow thinking and/or unthinking posters who read asoka.’s post for the ideas that confirm their own unfortunate biases, without deeper analysis.
(Dee, Pangolin, etc?)
3. Nitwits, who never read anyone’s post deeply enough to understand the actual meaning of the actual words. (Dee, etc)
Consider the following:
I said that shelf life of medications are set VERY conservatively and that DoD studies showed very long storage lives for Cipro, specifically.
You didn’t really read that part, did ‘ja Deer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelf_Life_Extension_Program
Oh, and asoka. is a mirror all right – but his mirror shines reflected light down into the deep depths of black racism and Tribalism forever.
I don’t like the view.
But now that I’ve seen it, I can’t ignore it.
Jim should really just close this comment section down
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I agree.
Week after week the comments turn to race within a few posts.
If JHK shut the comments down tomorrow, I wouldn’t miss it … because I have a full and happy life-affirmative existence outside CFN.
Oh, and asoka. is a mirror all right – but his mirror shines reflected light down into the deep depths of black racism and Tribalism forever.
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LOL. Un burro llamando al otro orejón.
Vote with your feet, Ninny!
Say, Pee2Cee, why don’t you go have a “sword fight” with your little buddy Whine-o. You both might find something enjoyable in it….
Then take a nice, hot shower together, but don’t drop the soap! (unless its on purpose :)!
Dee
Somewhere around [1960?] the Federal Govt got into the Education Biz with its Dept of Education.
Carter started Energy Dept………………
In hopes USA would be Energy Independent. 20,000 employees and a budget of billions and we are worse off in that Dept [pun intended]now then before.
Does RP want all govt out of education or Fed Govt out of it?
Also almost half of Freddie/Fannie employees are black!
Nadie es profeta en su tierra.
Miss D., gimme an exact number, please:
I have talked to quite a few people that have quit reading this site PRIMARILY because of Vlads continual racist postings,
If JHK shut the comments down tomorrow, I wouldn’t miss it … because I have a full and happy life-affirmative existence outside CFN.
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^This^ is one of the biggest piles of horse shit…one of the most disingenuous statements every written on this blog.
The fact is, many of us who comment here regularly are addicted to it and would miss it greatly if it suddenly ceased to exist. You are #1 on the list of addicts.
POWER, BABY, THE RAINBOW COALITION.
Remember Dylans famous line?
MONEY DOESNT TALK IT SWEARS, PROPAGANDA, ALL IS PHONEY!
as if you never posted foul things here!
‘And so you support Vlad and think that his racist rants ‘ [gosh,wow,gee]
Some do support free speech![Its not 100% free as JHK has to pay, unless the ads cause this place to be profitable].
‘asoka. is a mirror all right’
Naah, hes just a dim bulb.
Ya heard the news about Obamas wetback, criminal, deadbeat, afreak-an relatives?
To me that such people are in the USA and their
relative is running the Government tells me all I need to know about the USA Today.
I especially like how Auntie writes of how she
‘wrote the book while she was on VACATION here in the US’.
‘Hope your wife balances your checkbook.’
S/he closes with an ad hominem, cute, eh?
I meant, if ya dont like the heat, get out of THIS kitchen.
Its JHK blog, if you dont like our comments, dont put yr eyeballs here.
Miss D., gimme an exact number, please:” -antiS-
Nice catch, antiS.
“I have talked to quite a few people that have quit reading this site PRIMARILY because of Vlads continual racist postings,”
-Dee the J-
Dee just implied that there is a huge American ex-pat group in Costa Rico that she meets with regularly, “quite a few” of whom have left CFN because of Vlad.
Dee, you I will probably always like – I’m not sure why, maybe its a male/female thing?
Please never leave.
But seriously, Darlin’ Dee, “I’ve talked to quite a few people who’ve quit reading this site….”
QUITE a FEW PEOPLE?
and
You TALKED to them???
Were they on a SpaceShip, at the time??
Or did you reach into your mouth and push the “hole” thing out of your Pee to See hole?
Funny, seriously. HaHa, and all of that!
Yeah, like I very clearly said, the word used in the body of the Constitution (not the Preamble) is provide, however much you wish it said promote.
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Still the slimy eel, eh Asoka?
You are attempting to spin my words. I did not deny what Art 1 Sect 8 says, I merely pointed out that the Preamble says something different. And that difference is very important.
You are also implying that the Preamble is somehow less important than one of the articles. I disagree.
Correction:
ever written
antisoak, when I came here seven years ago I said I would stay 12 years, unless JHK’s prediction of a 4,000 DOW came true. Only five more years to go. Unless the DOW falls to 4,000 tomorrow. Then I’ll go.
Q., if you read carefully you will notice that I have been completely consistent when it comes to my core values.
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I always read carefully.
You are dodging the point of my post and what’s more you KNOW you are dodging my point. It is NOT that you are frequently inconsistant and contradict yourself (which BTW, you are, and do) but rather my pointed and blunt question: Are you bi-sexual?
When I read that book review and thought about the enigmatic line – “Do I contradict my self….. I contain multitudes… etc” – written by Walt Whitman (generally agreed to have been gay or even bi-sexual) a light bulb came on over my head.
Correction:
inconsistent
a light bulb came on over my head.
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Interesting. For most people the light bulb comes on in their head. For you, over your head. Easier that way. You can just flip a switch.
From Wiktionary:
A light bulb went off in my head as I had an incredible idea for a beauty product.
Anyone can have a light bulb go on over their head by flipping a wall switch.
Isn’t this more fun than discussing topics relevant to CFN?
I wonder how an average American, middle-aged bloke (who’s been unemployed for a couple of years and who is at risk of losing his family home because he can’t afford the mortgage payments) might respond if asked by a reporter about how he feels about Obama’s recent “embrace” of gay marriage in the U.S. military?
“You’ve known hundreds of Blacks over the decades yet you never realized the depth of hatred that many Black have for us till now?” -vk-
Again, Vlad, and for the umpteenth time, you overgeneralize about people and things that “?” – something – I don’t know what.
But women, Blacks, Jews, Mexicans – you’ve got an extra level of “?” – I won’t call it fear because I know that pisses you off, and it’s not quite the right word, either.
Thing is, you are putting “perfection?” onto Whites, almost* as badly ad Bill puts “perfection?” onto Jews. *To your credit, not “to the death,” or at least not in public on CFN.
There are plenty of crazy ass Whites around, Vlad.
Even if you got your White Nation, somewhere in the FUSA, most everyone would be at each other’s throats over something, in a little bit of no time – in an energy descending world, especially.
“I don’t mean making a big deal of our little tensions and holding a grudge either.”
-vlad-
What are you talking about, here?
Please elaborate.
I wasn’t trying to quote Poe exactly. I changed it to suit my mood. In any case, quoth is hardly common useage anymore nor is nevermore.
all right, I’ll bite…the average american, middle-aged bloke, unemployed and at risk of losing his home…would probably “feel” that da gays, da jews, da blacks,and his own country was deserting him. What he doesn’t know is it’s all part of a “divide and conquer” approach from the PTB. The election of this year is a joke, as all elections are in the U.S. Everyone who is in the running is already paid off by the Israeli government, sweet and fat. The average bloke is and will continually be led to believe that he has a voice and that empowerment of his race/religion/sexual orientation matters. Point of fact is that nobody (in the power elite) cares about what the average american bloke feels or wants. It’s all a big shell game. People like Krantz, Asoka, and others think they’ve got it all wrapped up…but they don’t. A real-time Nazi spin-off is about to happen, ‘cept it won’t be a reality series…it be reality, beeachhh!
Aren’t they fighting for freedom?
Shouldn’t they be free?
Jeez, Soak, give it a rest. Granted Q’s a bitch. I celebrate his raking you over the coals. But he doesn’t hammer it over your head when you fuck up. It looks kinda bad when you do, though. But you are a dumb bitch, after all. You glorify in your own superiority. Maybe you and Q ought to get together for a game of checkers or something.
a vs an –
Yeah, K/Q, you caught me again. Apparently, the shortage of “t’s,” has extended itself onto some of the other consonants, such as “n.”
As I said two years ago, if spellcheck will take it – it’s probably getting posted.
Now, regarding, “I vs I’m:”
That was probably a technical glitch. I had to buy a new laptop a couple of months ago, and the touchpad is damnably “twitchy.” I hardly have to touch the thing, barely breathe on it even – and it will deposit my cursor at a random spot on the screen. Sometimes it highlights a random box of text like “‘m,” that simply disappears.
I’m going to have to buy a USB mouse – and hope that fixes the twitchy SOB.
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Speaking of random technical issues – did you ever figure out how to make your speeddials work on your cell phone?
Try holding the key down for 3+ seconds – usually there’s a delay built in – to prevent accidentally generated phone calls.
EROI
EROI vs ERoEI –
I can’t be the only one on this website, willing and able to generate a thoughtful post on the difference.
EROEI
ERoEI then
Quick question, just FMI: Why do you continually suck up to Q when he so obviously holds you as contemptible and such a moron? He constantly degrades you on this site and yet you seem to quiver and whimper when he “corrects” you. I’ll tell you right now that I personally don’t mind telling the old bastard to fuck off. I do enjoy, however, him railing against our dear asoka, as well as his anti-government rants. He and asoka are so much alike, it’d make for a great t.v. remake of “The Odd Couple”. Jeez, doesn’t anyone in Hollywood have my imagination? This is great theatre!
ERoEI
That’s better, BG. Now do it thoughtfully.
E…R…o…E…I
No. I’m tired of explaining myself while the other person refuses to admit anything.
The essence of PC is the assumption of moral superiority to other Whites. There are several versions. You have picked the “I’m not racist like those bad Whites” version.
But Black crime is thru the roof – and always has been. So are we bigots or race realists? And if we are right, what does that make you?
Your defense of Q is touching.
You are all accomplishing my hidden agenda beautifully. Good job!
Dee is the one on the left. Also see his post on shaming techniques for all the gory details.
http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2009/02/bonecrker-2-local-vs-foreign-women.html
“Why do you continually suck up to Q when he so obviously holds you as contemptible and such a moron?” -vk-
First of all, I sense that K/Q is trying to “bury the hatchet” of our past grievances. I’m trying to meet him half way. Plus, I kind of like having the old jackass around.
Secondly, regarding “contemptible and such a moron…”
Vlad – come on, you ought to know me better than that by now. If someone has any feelings for me other than admiration – I automatically assume that they have severe personality flaws – and I am then willing to spend weeks attempting to “help” them. That’s why I keep trying to help Bill, Mika, Buck, DeeJ, and asoka., you know?
It’s good to have uncrushable self-esteem, if you’re in the USA right now.
Maybe I should be in politics.
Ms. Dee to you
And to think we’re being such good worker bees for the queen who sits in…Costa Rica? Buenas Aires? Or is it Dumbfuckistan, South America? Thanks!
For most people the light bulb comes on in their head.
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I’m not sure how you could have reached the age of 63-64 without noticing that the light bulb over the head is the standard method in cartoons of signifying a sudden grasp of understanding.
See first sentence of this link.
http://www.torttalk.com/2010/01/like-light-bulb-over-my-head.html
In any case, quoth is hardly common useage anymore nor is nevermore.
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I suppose then you’d have no problem quoting Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address as “Eighty seven years ago our fathers…”
I don’t live in a cartoon world.
EROEI vs EROI
Over my head vs Inside my head
Thou vs You
Idiot vs Moron
Russell, welcome to the blog. I’ve read some of your novels, such as the “Delphi Chronicle” and “Geronimo Beach” and enjoyed them. Seems like your type mentality would be a good fit here.
JHK writes excellent commentaries on critical issues Americans (and others) should think about; he’s doing a great public service.
You’ll find the comment section a mixed bag, with a lot of juvenile cat fights interspersed with some insightful postings, and a lot of race-baiting by a handful of people. I find the blog generally worthwhile because of the occasional gem.
Anyway, I hope you can contribute some more postings – I think they would be interesting.
Very good!
There are legitimate differences between those.
Thank you
Granted Q’s a bitch.
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In the long run I think you will realize I’m providing a usefull service — trying to uphold standards of accuracy in communication rather than caving in to the annoying idea that “what the fuck, it’s only the internet.”
Once the U.S. Federal Government under Obama “embraces” gay marriage, then gay alien immigrants will be able to bring their gay spouses to the U.S. It’ll become a worldwide gay exodus to West Hollywood.
America, land of freedom.
Booyah!
1….Posting has been possible here for 3? years.
When did you post that youd be here a certain # of years?
2….One post you ask JHK to ‘shut this down’ another ‘I will be here for many more years’ WTF?
I can see how you and a few others here ‘feel a kinship’.
I have never asked JHK to shut down the comments.
What I said was this:
If JHK shut the comments down tomorrow, I wouldn’t miss it … because I have a full and happy life-affirmative existence outside CFN.
And that is true. CFN is one of many things I enjoy, but my life does not revolve around CFN.
I enjoy your post antisoak.
Do you agree with JHK’s annual prediction each year that the DOW is going to 4,000? Why or why not? Why are you here if you don’t believe in JHK?
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I would like to remind diversionary spammers of cheap Chinese crap that if they’re not PLANTING classic tall chestnuts, they’re cordially invited to go fuck themselves.
Thank you for misusing/overusing life-sustaining resources; following generations will laud your wisdom! (Well, it might be more likely that [if they should possess the energy] they’ll desecrate your graves by digging up your rotting corpse that they might better piss on it.)
Good catch, MD.
That be one of PCR’s more acerbic commentaries. One can tell he’s mightily cranked. That’s what happens when one sees the sheer depth of dipshittery that your fellow “citizens” have drowned their cognitive abilities in.
Casting aside false hope may lead to cynicism (widely denounced, don’cha know), but it lightens the angst burden considerably.
Thanks for posting the link.
Russell,
Nice encapsulation of the dominant paradigm.
The “publick’s” grasp of what is happening to them is severely lacking in imagination; teevee anyone? “Watch more; you’ll feel so much better about everything. Let us handle the messy details of good ol’ geopolitical pilfering and murder while you relax. We have the technology and the will to subjugate everyone humanely and enjoyably (it’s for their own good, as we’re sure you know), passing on all the generous benefits to YOU, the Barca-lounging publick!
Most sincerely,
-Your Overlords”
You say:
“I live in Mexico – a crooked country run by the ruling elite for their own enrichment. Everyone knows it. Nobody gets upset if you say so. Yet in the US, there’s this odd conceit that somehow human nature has excluded our crooks/politicians/banksters from being equally bad, or worse, to the kleptocrats operating all over the world.”
I noticed this as well! There’s no embarrassment about discussing it (nor should there be). It’s refreshing in itself, although the [mebbe half a dozen] people I talked to about the subject seemed to think that the FUSA (former usa) had a more open view of its’ own corrupt underbelly. That made me laugh before trying to disabuse them of that notion…
Anywhich, thanks for dropping by to enjoy a heapin’ helpin’ of JHK’s hospitality! ;o)
Krampaw sez:
“The average bloke is and will continually be led to believe that he has a voice and that empowerment of his race/religion/sexual orientation matters. Point of fact is that nobody (in the power elite) cares about what the average american bloke feels or wants. It’s all a big shell game.”
Well Folks, there ya be! Next time the envelope comes in the mail, you’d be advised to OPEN it.
“I said, ‘Do you speak-a my language?’
He just smiled and gave me a veg-a-mite sandwich…”
Hey-ho! Here we go!
Hollandaze for All; travailleur de collier bleu, reapply your manacles; hope erupts again! (Reminiscent of a volcano or a pustule.)
“No garish “hammer and sickle” for M. Hollande and his coterie of free market carpetbaggers. Oh no, just plain-old slash and burn neoliberalism wrapped up in a tidy socialist ribbon.” – M. Whitney
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31298.htm
Whitney is still a blinkered growth-is-the-Holy-Grail kinda guy, but he’s still capable of seeing venality when it should hit him head-on.
Too bad contraction is not [yet] in his vocabulary.
Okay, sorry for using up so much space.
One last one from information clearinghouse:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31292.htm
The TSA is not there to “protect” you; it’s there to make sure that you’re molded into “obedience to Authority”, despite what their own drones may believe. They’ll make good camp guards, protecting their charges from their incorrect thoughts. Louie the Gomer? Are you fucking kidding me? And the rubes are sucking this up? It’s no longer shocking, but it’s still as disgusting.
Just read through the headings for today.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Let’s rephrase a beloved lyric:
“…land of the fettered, and the home of sniveling, lick-spittle cowards.”
(Yeah, I know, doesn’t sing too well. Tough.)
War is good for business, but bad for the nation.
If you like Iraq, you’ll love Romney’s wars in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and maybe even Iraq again.
70% of the advisers Romney has chosen are neo-cons, the very same architects of the Iraq war.
Get ready to kiss away trillions more dollars and thousands more American youth, if Romney wins the election.
But it will be good for neo-cons invested heavily in the defense industry.
CORRECTION
70% of the advisers Romney has chosen are BUSH ADMINISTRATION neo-cons, the very same ones who were the architects of the war in Iraq.
It’s a number ten day here in The Pioneer Valley. We do not get that many. What is the EROEI of a tater patch when dug by hand? It is a lot of work but hey, Ya gotta eat! It may be a negative number , I’m not sure. I might just pull out the Troy-bilt ( a real antique of American iron from JHK’s stompin’ grounds) and then fer sure it is a negative, but my back won’t hurt later! Keep on diggin’!
Just FYI, Mine is a Trojan -Horse model from Troy NY, I love telling people I have a 400 lb Trojan! My Trojan generates 7 HP, How about yours?
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My Trojan is a horse.
Did you finish your last shift?
Are you retired now?
Congratulations!
Jan van Lohuizen, a highly respected Republican pollster, (he polled for George W. Bush in 2004), in a memo to various leading Republican operatives, candidates and insiders talks about fast-shifting poll data on marriage equality and gay rights in general, and how that should affect Republican policy and language. And the pollster’s conclusion is clear: if the GOP keeps up its current rhetoric and positions on gays and lesbians, it is in danger of marginalizing itself to irrelevance or worse.
And what is Willard Romney doing today? Sinking Republican chances to win the election by speaking against gay marriage at a university that banned the Young Democrats student club on campus because the Democratic Party has a plank supporting homosexual rights.
…so i guess ‘washington week’ almost counts as M$M nowadays…well the canary peeped for the first time: mark shields pointed out that, by coincidence he s sure, this new underwear bomb plot/lie comes only weeks before all of the warrant-less wire-tapping and privacy invading legislation is up for renewal…couldn t believe what i was hearing on a stste-sponsored hologram! anyone else see it?
sorry, can t resist:
Old MacDonald had a farm, eeh ahr oh eeh eye…and on this farm he fueled trucks, eeh ahr oh eeh eye…he sent the spuds five thousand miles- wait for it- eeh ahr oh eeh eye…with a big truck here, and a big truck there, he wasted gas without a care; eeh ahr oh eeh eye…
you get the idea; thass the best i could do off the top enjoy them taters, the energy loss is more than made up for in the quality and taste of home-grown produce!
So, do you think the whole war on terror thing is a fabrication of the intelligence agencies to keep us scared and keep them funded? EIEIO
So Asoka, are you being paid to shill for Obama, here in CFN?
What happened to Jill Stein?
You’ve got the party line down pretty good.
Perhaps a guest spot on Current TV or MSNBC is in the offing.
–WSP7
Not only was I not quoting Poe, I wasn’t trying to either. Perhaps a distinction lost on you…
I love classic language too, but it is a lost art – an inevitable consequence of Democracy. Anyone who uses two or more syllable words is considered a fruit or a snob.
Lincoln wanted the Blacks send back to Africa. So there.
Oh the tangled webs we weave when first we practive to percieve. The Brain is a jungle is it not?
So Asoka, are you being paid to shill for Obama, here in CFN?
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Yes, just got a six month contract with the Obama campaign to post to CFN. It’s enough to survive, together with the checks I receive from JHK and the checks I receive to be a CFN representative of the ISI (International Society of Idiots).
…trip trop trip trop…who s that trying to cross my bridge?
…troll…
There are still many people who believe Sodomy to be a sin. Blacks and Hisapnics especially – unfortunately for the Democrats. The only chance the Republicans have is to keep faith with these people.
Don’t worry – most Blacks and Hispanics know which side their bread is buttered. They will vote with their bellies not their conscience. In any case, the Hispanics know their strength. They’ll be in a position to start changing State Laws very soon unless stopped.
Hey A, The city screwed up my vacation time, I do a 24 Sunday and a 24 Tuesday, and then I am all done. Not sure how I feel about it. The buds are like my second family. I have spent 8 years in the house out of the last 32. And probably just as much emotional BS. If I gave my real family shit like I do to the crew I would probably be out on the street. Life goes on I guess. I talk to alot of the older guys and they say they really miss it. I really don’t have to leave but my family is known for its short life line.
Free country…
Are you running a troll bridge?
Seems you’ve stretched out eight shifts for weeks … I think once you make the break you’ll be glad you did.
Worldwide gay exodus? Golly, can I come? I’ve had the organza gown, the silk stockings, and the rhinestone tiarra waiting in my closet. Now if only the right fella would come along.
Question for ya, Soak. I was reading Kathleen Parker today and she referred to the “haircut” that Mittens allegedly gave an effeminate student at his boarding school. Parker said that in 1965, the word “gay” was not in the vernacular and meant “merry”. I have an old Webster’s Dictionary (circa 1963) and it lists gay as happy, merry, also slang for homo. My question to ya: Was the term “gay” used commonly in that era to describe homos? You’re a lot older than I am, so I guess you would know.
The word came into usage in that sense in 1971.
I have corresponded with Ms. Parker about previous errors in her columns. What is Kathleen doing remembering something Romney cannot remember? How inconvenient.
Romney did not use the word gay when attacking Lauber. Romney didn’t like Lauber’s choice of hair style and Romney said he would not allow Lauber to wear his hair that way. Comments about Lauber’s sexual orientation might be conjecture.
“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm.
–Washington Post
Wholly cheese ‘n’ crackers got all muddy!
Designed by Mr. Done. When he finished that design… the beast was DONE, baby.
Get yer tater beds “done” wid’dat and pick out the rocks (you prob’ly ain’t gots any; I’ze so jealous) then you is done. From then on, scratching and top-dressing of a couple-three inches is all you’ll need to keep a really good soil-web going. (Those arthropods, bacteria and fungal webs will thank you for not smashing their little communities all to pieces, and your plantings roots will enjoy the yummy shit that they leave for the absorbing.)
Hey, funny thing, it all revolves around “addition”; whassup wid dat shit? I thought we had to take, take, and TAKE to get good stuff. Has the woild come to a denouement? Giving and thinking is hard. Damn.
;o)
Ps. I jist heard from a seasoned and successful ‘tater grower that early planting (like I done 3 weeks ago) doesn’t mean that the crop will mature any earlier or be more prolific. I think you’re hittin’ it just about perfect. She’s after it today as well, but opined that a June planting did well as the ‘tater bugs had already gone through and found nothing to munch on, so no “usual” infestations. Hmmmm, ruminations…
…and DO NOT lime the ‘taters! (They’re begging you, please, they like that soil rude and crude, gravely and gritty.)
CFT,
That there t’were a gem beyond price!
Stuck in my head, but I don’t care… “Jimmy smokes crack, an’ I don’ care…”
See? Still a lot of fun to be had; and being how the life of a you-man bean is so short, we shall dig it as we may.
Thanks, Bud.
Wow!
Mark of the constantly raised Shield? That’s pretty ballsy. Punditry is losing it’s talking-point focus, Poppets.
Somebody get me Seal Team 6 on the blower; we got us a whackin’ to commence. (Subversive bloviatin’ lib’rul bastitches.)
[obsequious bow]…had you in mind, as resident ackshool musician, when i thumbed it…glad you liked it; the fun stuff is why i still read the comments…well, most of em- hi, flad!
here s hopin yer taterbugs run into a flock o’ magpies, and the spuds do well…
Gee, I wonder what would happen if someone didn’t like Bill O’Reilly’s hair style and decided to jump him and forcibly cut his hair off… I wonder what would happen.
O’Reilly would probably just laugh it off as “hijinks” … yeah, he wouldn’t prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
In response to VK’s question, “Was the term “gay” used commonly in that era to describe homos?”, you said
“The word came into usage in that sense in 1971.”
Period.
Could we trouble you for the name of the author, date and possibly the Eastern Standard Time. Didn’t have to look very hard to find some more of your asinine commentary. How can anyone take you seriously?
xhalor replied to comment from asoka. | May 11, 2012 4:31 AM
Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.
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xhalor replied to comment from asoka. | May 11, 2012 4:31 AM
Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.
Ooh baby do you ever have a bad case of
last-word-itis. Tells me more about you personally than ANY of your idiotic posts. You should ask P2C if he can spare any Ciprofloxacin. It’s probably still good.
xhalor replied to comment from asoka. | May 11, 2012 4:31 AM
Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.
Uh oh. The bold formatting is gone. Must be wearing you down.
xhalor replied to comment from asoka. | May 11, 2012 4:31 AM
Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.
That’s the spirit!
I now promote you to Senior Douchebaggie.
Asoka,
You do realize you’re engaging/arguing with a person who once lamented his constrained opportinities in life due to a law enforcement/legal issue? I recall the post from quite a while back and I also recall feeling empathy for his plight becuase once tagged into that system, opportunities are no doubt limited. Indeed, they are so limited and constrained that the eventual and inevitable outcome becomes a check in the column of determinism – in many instances.
I mention this not to denigrate XHalor but as reminder that people often transfer and unload their negative shit onto anyone willing to engage with them. Of course I know you already realize this.
It’s also why I won’t waste time by reaching back into the archives to “cement a case” against Whispereing Bitch. Somehow, showering furthering attention on a megamanical compulsive/obsessive doesn’t seem like the best use of time – either for me or Whispering Bitch.
I say this to denigrade you. Why would you give a fuck who Assoka ENGAGES with? And speaking of obsessions, you clearly have one with a Whispering Bitch. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have brought it up. Now you stay out those archives. Wouldn’t want you to waste time submitting to The Obsession Mr. BUCK STUD. Guess the handle JOHN WAYNE was taken.
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Thanks, Buck. Noted.
“these tanks are lighter in their weight and can be installed quickly in the home…”
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And probably should be protected from the sun. Even UV-resistant plastic deteriorates over time.
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Asoka, you’ve hit a new low.
You just posted a serious reply to a bit of spam.
Here’s a clue Asoka: When a post has a link to a product (in this case shoes) in the middle of a sentence, it’s SPAM.
Is your verbal diarrhea so bad that you have to reply to spam?
At least you didn’t copy and paste someone else’s work — this time.
Asoka’s picture appears in slang dictionaries next to the word
blogorrhea : pathologically excessive (and often incoherent) blogging.
You’re being too hard on Soak. He is pretty old. If anyone knows the correct time, correlation between time, space, and idiomatic expressions, I’d guess it’d be him. He’s been around a while. Near as I can tell he has no hidden agendas. He’s quite open about the “reconquista”, open borders, etc. I do not agree with him on these things at all. I have openly told him so. I also believe that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I enjoy trying to knock that chip off, as it were. But I believe that he BELIEVES the crapola he spews forth. And every now and again he comes up with a useful nugget of knowledge that makes sense.
I don’t think Soak is a resident impediment. He is, in my way of thinking, a PITA. He can be useful in sorting out certain facts. He does this with a fair degree of knowledge.
I enjoy watching him, Q, and Progressor C spar. I don’t agree with any of them on the whole. And I dare say, they probably think even less of me. Can’t say as I blame them.
My nomenclature is courtesy of Mr. Krantz, who never tires of his missives on how much more superior whites are than blacks. My response? Okay, let’s pretend that whites are better than blacks at cognitive ability. Let’s say whites are less violent. What the fuck are we supposed to do? We’re all in the same clusterfuck. It seems to me a waste of time to attack each other while our entire world is being butchered by TPTB. Soak’s Social Security and Medicare are nothing compared to the egregious amount of corporate welfare we’re dishing out to the 1%.
Do not be fooled into thinking that age alone bestows wisdom. Posts are like a new life form. When they’re released into the wild, they will either flourish or be eaten by frogs. I am glad that you understand that there is no way to wish away the people you may consider inferior. If I had a wish, it would be that The Vampire would quit pillydickin’ around get to the Final Solution part. He probably thinks we’re NOT WORTHY of this knowledge.
Vlad cannot describe the specifics of his “Final Solution” because he knows that it will finally reveal the unacceptable monster in the “Vlad” character. It will have no reason to exist at that point.
I’m still stuck in place for the moment, but just finalised the revised leaving SoCal plan. Things are falling apart so fast now that I don’t particularly feel the need to hide anymore. Don’t like responding to individual posters here anymore. There’s no way to tell who is who. It all seems so schizophrenic.
Now, when you assert that Assoka is a PITA, do you mean a rolled up lamb sandwhich? Cuz I would definitely second that motion.
I’ve had much the same attitude wrt taxation, eliminating the income tax and instituting a sales tax. I agree that if you have just the feds collecting it it you can have some formula for revenue sharing among the different levels of govt.
The trouble is that what bedevilled the income tax would soon bedevil the sales tax. You’d have an army of lobbyists all pleading for this or that exemption for this or that good or service and pretty soon you’d have a nightmarishly complex system again.
The other thing is the system for collection and remittance for businesses would be a barrel of laughs since each business would need an accounting system that captures what sales tax it pays. Whoever codes the payment of invoices would need to code sales tax (debits) into special balance sheet accounts. Those amounts would be an offset to what the business collects in sales tax from its customers. The accounting system would have to be capable of accumulating these “sales tax credits”. The business would then remit the net amount.
But I agree with the general concept.
I’ll bet you’ve seen ludicrously convoluted legislation and heard the writers say something to the effect that the rules are complex but fair. Thing is, they’re only fair if you can afford the tax expertise and it ain’t cheap. Tax lawyers especially. The fairness gets lost in the complexity.
As for shrinking govt by 75% I think that fiscal reality will force a shrinkage. By what amount I don’t know. But the country’s military and foreign policy establishment doesn’t seem to have gotten the memo about the Cold War being over.
The USSR is gone, its successor states (including Russia) thinly disguised kleptocracies run by gangsters/drug dealers, none of them interested in military occupation or spreading any kind of ideology.
China is showing some tendencies towards muscling its neighbors militarily but that’s not necessarily something for the US to get involved in.
And it seems to be going down the same road of elite enrichment. The Chinese elite seem to know enough to make sure the great unwashed see some prospect for benefit for themselves. The elite know that no army that can cope with a billion enraged peasants especially if the army rank and file are peasants themselves.
Bottom line is that US govts need a mighty big pruning.
Same with all kinds of entitlement programs. The productive industrial base is gone, the once prosperous taxpayers that worked in it and funded those programs are no more. Whole economy has gone subprime.
The one thing that I wouldn’t do away with is education. Gives all kids regardless of economic status a fair break. Mind you, govts are doing such an abysmal job at it, American students are coming out not much better than when they went in. If govts can’t do something that important you more or less have to do it yourself.
“It seems to me a waste of time to attack each other while our entire world is being butchered by TPTB.”
(Said with EXTREME whine)
But it’s so much fuckin’ fun.
C’mon, man. It’s an open website. What magical “Age of Aquarius” moment is gonna happen here? Go ahead, throw it out there. Things are so bad, it couldn’t hurt. The best that can come from a site like this is to guage the virulence of all these disparate “groups”.
I would separate the races and admit doing so. You Liberals are fleeing the mess you made in California and deny that it’s due to the Mexicans. It’s the bad schools, smog, taxes, and what not. And you do the same thing everywhere: preach diversity and do all you can to avoid it.
I say we are the better men.
Now, I’ll admit, preaching diversity is pretty high on my list of “Things To Do”. I believe that it enhances my survivability.
But,
mostly I’m preachin’ this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3b9gOtQoq4
And when I’m not preachin’ the former, I preachin’ dis here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlkV9sHMg4
So who saw World Peace kick some ass last night?
Alright it we must live together, what to do? How bout let the chips fall where they may? End all Affirmative Action in Admissions and Hiring. Do you really believe your people could compete? Really? I don’t either. California ended AA in University Admissions and there almost no Blacks after that.
Asians too: do you really believe that they deserve to own all those motels and convenience stores? Do you not know they get special loans not open to Whites? All these things were meant for Blacks as a legacy for slavery. But then inexplicably (with no explanation that is) they were given to Hispanics and then EVERYONE not White. Is that your idea of fair, my Son?
I can explain it of course: goverment bureacracies want to GROW. The more clients, the more power. Private too: One Jewish Agency ran out of Russian Jews to bring to America. So naturally they turned to Somalis. I mean, wouldn’t you? Just going out of business is anathema.
Btw, Asians strike me as superb at methodical tasks like writing code or working in a convience stores. Yes, better than Whites. They don’t need any help from Our Own Goverment. I wouldn’t let them be here if it was up to me. But at least let the fight be fair. And that’s what it will be – a fight. If you want peace, look to monocultures like Japan and the old Northern Europe.
You are right to focus on fait accompli – that is your greatest weapon. The hopelessness of it: it’s done and now you Whites have to accept that you don’t have your own countries anymore. Brilliant and ruthless. The Asians are so much smarter not to allow this abomination.
I say to you what I’ve often said to Asoka: focus on your own life. Your race is a complete loss; a race of shoe shine boys and washroom attendants. You wont the genetic lottery. And thus your tragedy of seeing and knowing what your people are. Why blame me? I feel compassion for you. And for your people I would give their own Nation in the Deep South. Of Black Leaders, only Minister Farakahn is Man enough to want such a thing. The rest? Hopeless parasites without ethics or gratitude.
Is that worse than being a Tea Bagger?
“Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.”
-asoka.-
“Fuck Off and Die, douchebaggie.”
-asoka.-
I have to say that this comment thread is coming to a unique and potentially positive climax, this week.
Asoka. may be finally admitting publicly (two times) to his deeply repressed anger. That’s a good first step, next he will develop some consistency in his posts and prune off some of the deliberately distracting multitudes, perhaps.
Left hanging tonight is the question, “What exactly is a douche baggie?
And then there’s Buck, spiraling downward:
“It’s also why I won’t waste time by reaching back into the archives to “cement a case” against Whispereing Bitch.” -ultimate BS-
Buck, my request was that you put up or shut up, as regards my being a racist or antisemite. You can’t put up, even though you have two years of my posts on CFN to pull from – because there’s nothing there to prove it. I know there’s not, because I typed those posts in the first place.
Neither, though, do you have the manliness to shut up, even when you are clearly in the wrong.
But, Buck, “Whispering Bitch,” as your idea of an insult – and on Mother’s Day weekend, no less?
That’s unusually low, even for CFN.
Diversity will not increase your chances of survival. You’re being mindless – a true libzomb.
Whoa!
X-dude, what kind of stick are you using to poke that beast with?
He skittered out from beneath his rock with eyes rolling and a-bug and jaws agape and slavering!
Nicely done; my compliments on the poking and wrangling technique…
Who dem Whirled Peas? So, no, didn’t see that.
(I know, I know, I’ll look ’em up… and their kicking of asses as well. ;o)
Holy Scheisse, Bluntman, a bass-eh-ball player? That’s pretty funny, and I suppose you can tell that sport-for-profit ain’t one of my indulgences.
The business would then remit the net amount.
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You understand Rhino, we are just playing pretend here ’cause none of this is EVER gonna happen.
That said, businesses would not submit the net amount. In my scheme neither real nor corporate persons would submit income tax returns. The only form of tax “returns” would be those required for businesses (and individuals) to remit the sales taxes they collected.
A typical individual does not sell stuff (other than his labor) and so would not be collecting sales tax that needed to be remitted to the govt. Businesses, from Apple on down to a dinky sole proprietorship would collect sales tax on goods and services they sold and be responsible for remission on a timely basis.
Re the sale of one’s labor to an employer – say you are being paid $60K/year working for XYZ Corp – you would charge them (i.e. your employer, who is actually your customer) $60K + $3K (assuming a 5% tax rate) and then be responsible for remitting the $3K as sales taxes collected. All the other stuff (besides labor) that XYZ Corp needed to purcahse to operate their business (material and all overhead items) would have sales taxes collected on those items by other businesses who would then remit those taxes.
We would be unconcerned with any person’s income (individual or corporate) and only concerned with how much they spent.
I’d rather Asoka talk about EROI than be so angry and profane.
Here’s yer Matt Taibbi link hot off the presses.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510
X-dude, what kind of stick are you using to poke that beast with?”
I’ve tried ’em all. The Montana Taser seems to work best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjhw4xkGpM
Oh wow. I almost forgot. I saw the Stanislaw Burzynski documentary today. HIGHLY recommended. If yer not pissed off now, you will be after learn about this. JHK will understand. The US Gov & AMA & ConAgra skipping down the street, hand in hand in hand. Here’s the Wiki link to get you started.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Burzynski
If yer not pissed off now, you will be after learn about this.
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X, I’m not sure I catch your drift. Are you saying there was or was not any value to Burzynski’s cancer therapy?
ABOUT BURZYNSKI
Hmmm. Maybe a premature assessment about Dr. Burzynski. I’m having a hard time finding information about the involved patent infringements. With the amount of money involved here, it could take some REAL research to get at the truth.
Tell ya what Q. I have experience with Government run drug trials. I will spend some time with this, but, so far, it doesn’t look good for Dr. Burzynski. There are ex-patients that have put up web sites describing a medical scam. I just hate being snookered by documentary makers. So, I’m off to the research papers and medical journals. I will speak with people I know that are involved in drug trials for the Dept. of the Navy. If you personally are looking for help, for the moment I would suggest sticking with a board certified oncologist.
If you personally are looking for help,
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I think you misunderstand, I have no medical issues. I’m just trying to understand the post you made at 10:08PM.
The documentary describes how the FDA patented compounds that were previously patented by Burzynski. The same compounds that the federal government prosecuted Burzynski for distributing. I am looking for documentation about the patent disputes; not having much luck yet. The real red flag about Burzynski is that no other research labs have been able to reproduce his results.
OK, your suspicion then is that Burz.. is getting fucked.
It appears everyone but you and me (I?) has gone to bed so I’ll take this opportunity to say:
LAST
Can’t really tell yet if the Dr. is getting screwed with patent violations. His actual medical research is dubious according to his peers. Even the validity of his PhD is called into question.
I am relatively new here, and was attracted to this forum after reading JHK’s The Long Emergency. I enetered this energy crisis/fossil fuel depletion disaster/deindustrialization process through the side door. Someone put a link to Dmitry Orlov’s “5 stages of collapse” in 2008, I have been reading up on it every since. I ordered books from Michael Rupport, JHK, and Michael Heinberg and can clearly see why people are sleeping walking into the future, dazed and confused, disillusioned by this anomaly in human history know in industrialization or the relatively brief age known as petroleum man that they cannot overcome their fear and denial that the joyride is ending. I wished they had an ignore button that were would apply to both handles and IP addresses so that people who have no life can flame the place and have their right to free speech, only that persons who are here for serious reasons can be spared on their child minded, blow up doll mentality. I would and will ignore these social rejects as best I can when I do try to generate a serious discussion in here
Exactly.
They know full well the collapse in imminent. These hollow point rounds, armored vehicles, Halliburton “FEMA” camps are not to fight imported “terrorism”, rather it is likely a well planned scheme to smash down on massive domestic dissent so the powers that be can stay intact and extract their pound of flesh from a broke and bleeding american public, and make damned sure they stay meek and obedient as they are fleeced and lead to the slaughter house
If you are indeed capable of reading, let alone entertainning ideas that may make you uncomfortable, which I highly doubt given the simplisticity of your response that you are capable of dealing with, then you may realize (or may likely never realize fossil fuel depletion) is a reality until it kicks you hard and square in the nuts,which most denialists seem to lack the capaccity to even entertain as reality, denying geological reality over simplistic and ever so comforting denial…..”there will always be more oil, we only need to dig deeper”…”technology will save us….we can create an engine that runs on water”, etc etc. The earth is round, Santa Clause does not fit down your chimney not matter how much magic dust you smoke.
These defense mechanisms….denial, fantasy, etc are dangerous as JHK points out because they breed a sense of complacency. There WILL NOT always be more oil and technology will NOT save us from deindustrializing. Grasp your ears frimly and pull your heads out of your asses. The time to mitigate this catastrophe shrinks every day as we listen to the 2 party circus whores and media mouthpieces who ignore reality. Do some reading and wake the fuck up
I can see your point but this provides a true market place of ideas. If you don’t like what you see,on’t buy it……that is what freedom of speech and freedom of ideas is all about.
When you see a post that “offends” you, never think that the course of history will be changed by allowing that point of view to be expressed. Just ignore it, and your ego will not be decimated nor will history be changed by someone else’s perspective. I used to think that way when I was a die hard liberal, but some of the ideals of Ron Paul bitch slapped me into realizing that we need to tolerate all ideas and not act like it’s the end of this fucked up pissant world if someone posts seomething you may find offensive.
Now I realize that politics and the whores that call themselves ‘politicians” are hopeless because they are bought and sold in so many ways, especially this delusion that endless growth is possible in a world governed by entropy and finite growth
I admire JHK for allowing all opinions to be expressed here, without some self righteous fucktard thinking he or she knows what is ‘politically correct’. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Rock on, CFN
Every day it is looking more and more like Ron Paul’s delegate strategy is working … Romney is in trouble and hasn’t even realized it yet.
“These defense mechanisms….denial, fantasy, etc are dangerous as JHK points out because they breed a sense of complacency. There WILL NOT always be more oil and technology will NOT save us from deindustrializing.” -MN
Maybe it’s only me, but I see the MAIN danger we face is the old Walt Kelly line: “We have met the enemy, and they are us.” (Or sumpthin’ like that.)
When the goodie bag is emptied and convenience and BAU is sputtering and erratic, people will snap. It will be more bearable if we’re psychologically prepared to face future privations and scale back NOW to get acclimated to poverty and its’ attendant survival strategies. The real rural-poor are already well-versed in these strategies, and will likely be the least affected. There’s less hope for the American urban-poor [who I don’t see as really impoverished], and we can certainly see why. It’s not helpful that they haven’t any alternative plan B (or C, D, E, etc.), and expect that plenty will continue as it has for most of their lives. The reaction to this plentitude disappearing will likely be “messy”, as we’ve seen when the store shelves are emptied.
Now where can I get me some of this magic dust? ;o)
“Quote the raven, evermore.”
I no longer sorrow for the long gone Lenore.
You cannot harm my soul any more.
“I live in Mexico – a crooked country run by the ruling elite for their own enrichment.”
Just like Duhmerica, which is why we are turning into Northern Mexico more and more each day.
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When you think of edible odds are you think almost what you are “supposed to eat” alternatively what you “can’t eat” alternatively how much of it you should limit yourself. These are not necessarily erroneous ways to think almost eating yet on a subconscious class this line of thought really creates a negative association with healthy eating that may trigger “Little You™” into making “more convenient” and diseased alternatives.
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One of the maximum empowering habits that we can create namely the train of ego attention and a fussy chapter of that habit namely healthy eating. I understand how challenging this can be. Healthy eating doesn’t come naturally as everyone,especially within our fast paced and “ToDo list” civilization.
We are likewise a culture fraught with emotional eaters. Too constantly we eat,monster energy hats – karen millen, over eat and under-eat based upon our emotions. We eat not for it is what our body absences,yet to flee challenging feelings alternatively to establish more affirmative feelings… instead of simply feeling them as they are. Sometimes we even eat,or we don’t eat, to punish or prize ourselves.
Consider this strong fancy How you eat sends a strong message to “Little You”. It says to her that she is both loved alternatively unloved. That she namely both merited or dismissed; That she namely important alternatively a bother. What I am suggesting namely that how you eat effects your self adore your confidence and the degree to which you can feel fulfilled in your life. How you eat and what you eat has more efficacy on your well being than your body image and what you penetrate like.
Below are six healthy eating habits to win you began on your Body Benevolence Diet:
1. Eat by your dining desk.
two Eat slowly and savor each meal.
three Think loving thoughts as you chew your edible.
four Acknowledge yourself as making good choices.
five Only eat when you are physically peckish.
six Separate your feelings of emotion from your feelings of starve.
Today, set the intention to practice Body Benevolence. When you consider eating a cafeteria or preparing a repast do it for you admire your body, and base your edible choices on what would best express that. Choose to eat foods that bring the message to “Little You” that you admire and fall in love with her, and then enjoy the freedom from panic that results.
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The jobless rate among Italy has shoved to its maximum class since 2001,along apt statistics released Monday, showing that even though contempo austerity measures accept aided obedient investor terrors they are not yet having their intended impact aboard Italian workers.
The Italian Statistics Institute,China Tour Net,alternatively ISTAT, reported Monday that 9.3 percentage of Italians were unemployed among February.
That is still biggest than the 10.eight percentage rate recorded because the European Union for a all also on Monday,only the situation surrounded Italy namely still considered aggravate than surrounded much locations because of cheap levels of consumer confidence, anemic economic advance prospects, and the truth that much of the population is employed part-time alternatively unemployed and not looking because go meaning they are never reflected amid the statistics. The unemployment level was 9.one percent the previous month.
There namely appealing news in Italy. The take aboard Italy’s criterion ten-year bond traded Monday at just five.1 percent safely below the 7-percent threshold that sent Greece, Ireland, and Portugal asking because bailout wealth last anniversary.
Italian bonds traded aforementioned the unsustainable 7-percent class among November, December, and the start of January forward retreating to current levels as the government’s austerity initiatives slashed debt and dwindled spending sufficiently assuaging investor alarms that the nation could be forced apt default on its debt.
But gradually improving investor sensation has yet apt accept a significant conflict on the day-to-day lives of Italians, who are suffering from falling accomplishment and a growing overall tax brunt And it does not announced things longing alter surrounded the approach term: The European Union also reported Monday that its latest estimates are that the Italian economy want contract one.3 percent surrounded 2012 compared apt 2011 once powerless growth levels.
Meanwhile, unemployment levels among the youngest workers — elderly 15 apt 24 — continues to be a haul on the economy, reaching an astonishing 31.nine percent in February, up virtually a abounding point from 31.\ percent in January, ISTAT said.
Experts said that the powerless employments levels could prey the technocrat authority led by former European commissioner Mario Monti of the public support it needs because future reforms.
“It’s articulate that the Italian economy has backed away from the cliff surrounded the last months,merely without something actual because maximum Italians to perceive the revitalization is never going apt appear real Alberto Melancon,one economic analyst with ABS Securities surrounded Milan, told ..
“And if the resumption does not emerge real,after you’re going to discern advocate because Monti start to corrode”
So distant that has never occurred Though his approval levels have dripped from the heights reached immediately after he replaced controversial predecessor Silvio Berlusconi last November, polling company Opinioni reports they remain comfortably aforementioned 50 percentage.
But it’s never articulate how long that will remain the case whether the unemployed situation does not begin apt rectify The government’s best wish at putting workers back-up to go is a labor market reform plan announced by Monti’s cabinet March 23.
The plan, which increases jobless allowances reduces temporary contracts, and makes it easier for employers to employment and blaze workers,namely waiting aboard parliamentary acceptance.
Monti,amid China Monday because the Boao Forum for Asia among Hainan,called because parliament apt pass the measure immediately But for of late Monday, the measure has never appeared aboard the lawful parliamentary agenda.
On March 13, the United States, the European Union and Japan jointly challenged China’s restrictions aboard exports of infrequent world materials, a group of 17 key ingredients adapt in high-technology products and requested consultations with China underneath the World Trade Organization framework. China responded aboard March 15,by saying it ambition argue with them following the quarrel accommodation program of the WTO.
China has duration and afresh emphasized that the export restrictions are essential surrounded order apt conserve its accessible natural assets and apt defend people’s health and are thus permitted onward the General Exceptions phrase surrounded the WTO rules.
The WTO rules, a alone set of comprehensive world-wide business rules,require membership countries commit apt the fundamental obligations of non-discrimination, lowering business barriers, non-quantitative restrictions and transparency surrounded the administration of their commerce associated economic system But the WTO rules also adore the sovereignty of membership states within certain assigned circumstances.
The WTO rules guarantee membership countries a balance among their international obligations and national sovereignty by permitting the adoption alternatively enforcement of measures surrounded certain instances. In particular Article XX of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade allows measures essential apt safeguard human, animal or plant life alternatively health”alternatively”relating apt the conservation of exhaustible natural assets.
However, the quarrel accommodation body of the WTO has denied China use of this clause.
On Jan 30th, the discuss settlement physique delivered its decision on a complaint fabricated at the annihilate of 2009 by Mexico, the EU and the US of China’s export restrictions on certain raw materials. After examining the case as two annuals the argue accommodation body ruled that the restrictions were never consistent with WTO provisions and the commitments of China’s WTO accession protocol.
This judgment erodes China’s king right apt protect the health of its folk and conserve its natural resources A right retained along all membership states while they subject themselves apt WTO commerce rules. The dispute accommodation physique denied China the right apt use Article XX of the General Agreement aboard Tariffs and Trade to justify its export duties aboard raw materials,simply because the export responsibility section of China’s WTO accession protocol does never explicitly mention this chattel.
The ruling of the discuss accommodation physique needs further discussion. It’s perceptible that the core clauses within the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade for countries’ obligations regarding non-discrimination and non-quantitative restrictions don’t mention Article XX both and additionally member states don’t lose the rights contained surrounded this Article.
The treatment that China has accustomed begs the question as to why the protective umbrella the WTO gives apt always the member states among Article XX does never apply apt China.
The reasoning of the debate accommodation physique within this case severs the connection among the vary parts of the WTO rules and derives from the North-South rift among international conviction making, as the WTO rules follow the legislative design of the developed countries as commerce relations. Developing countries may never entirely achieve the implications of certain provisions meantime they access the WTO, and the harming ramifications only transformed apparent apt their hereafter disadvantage.
The negation of China’s right to use Article XX apt justify the restrictions absences apt be antiseptic forward a legislative process rather than an adjudicative one.
Meanwhile, this case highlights that more absences apt be done apt balance the obligations and rights of membership countries and that the invisible bias among the rules favoring amplified countries absences to be addressed.
The author is coach of the policy reiterate division of Beijing WTO Affairs Center.
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Citizenship to Go
By JACQUELINE STEVENS
Published: May 17, 2012
CITIZENSHIP laws are in the news again. Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota acquired, and then quickly renounced, Swiss citizenship. Eduardo Saverin, a founder of Facebook who was born in Brazil and lives in Singapore, gave up his United States citizenship, perhaps to avoid American taxes.
Anti-immigrant activists [!!!!]
are claiming that the 14th Amendment does not bestow citizenship on children born in the United States to noncitizen parents — even though a century of jurisprudence says it does……
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BEIJING – Property administration in . may anon see the annihilate of forced demolitions, which have activateed conflicts and even seen folk set themselves on blaze in their agony . adhere aboard . their homes.
A abstract decree getting altercated by the nation’s . p assembly blares because one abate . the use of abandon browbeating and added ilacknowledged agency by either bounded adadvancements searching . yield control of humans’s homes and third-allotmenties acting aboard tbeneficiary account.
It aswell rules out such attribute seizures alluring commune on anniversarys adaptbuilt-inly at aboutt, unbeneath tactuality is one crisis that justifies it.
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The draft decree on administrative coercion was abideted for its fourth reiterate on Wednesday, two years after it was endure advised.
Acbonding . the Legislation Law,Beijing day tours, draft laws can be abolished whether they are not rebeheld in two annuals of their antecedent perusing by the legislature.
Qiao Xiaoyang,abettor acutec . r of the National People’s Congress (NPC) Law Comacclaimee, . ld assembly of the NPC Standing Committee that the fourth draft, which is deanchord . adjust administrative arrogant power,likewise seeks . absolve people’s official appropriates and administer administrations in the achievement of their duties in accordance with the judgment.
Qiao, who fabricated the animadversions during a three-day annual affair of the . p legislature, said the draft law has bit-by-bitly been able during the accomplished six annuals and accomplished that the board has accosted more than 3,800 advancements from the accessible since its third analysis in 2009.
Ying Songnian, a chief official accomplished on administrative laws who abetmented compose the 1st draft of the administrative browbeating judgment . ld . . that the latest draft was close . accomplishing,admitting accessory declinings.
In the laanalysis dbulk, the ability . use arrogant admeasurements blows with “legibulkures by civic and local akins”, a alteration barrageed by labominable ables for”abundant advance because it anxious arrest local administerment cats and ministries below the axial administallowance from misapplication administrative arrogant power.
The State Council, . ‘s Cabinet, can accept such boots in decisive accidents.
Zhan Zhongle, a assistant of authoritative adjudication at Pebaron University, . ld . . that administerings amenable for aabsorption administration are adverse accretion claimings and more and added comaugmentd agreeable affairs.
“For this acumen,ministry capacity wish they can be accustomed . accept administrative power according . their ascent responsibilities and canteroomenges,” he said.
For inattitude, the draft law allocates chengguan,or burghal backbonegement appointmentrs . 0d1dabbean68d71c64e6be13f9e3f08b out administrative arrogant meaabidings, including caccident fuzz places and accessories and imanguish attribute,as assured in laws and regional adjustments.
“Such agreement may be characterl for the accustomed plan of chengguan administrators but that could adviser . power being dbulgeing Zhan said.
In contempo years chengguan breachnders have commonly been admonished because aberrationcal verdict administration, causing battles and even deaths in affiliation with their accomplishments . accumulate actionable bell-ringers off asparrest arterys.
Zhan added: “It (the latest draft) can be apparent for an attack from the . p legislature . curb administrative coercive power aboard one duke, and . advance their ability . undertake amusing administerment aboard the accessional”
He accepted that discrepancies amid the apprehensions of the administarmament and the . p legislature were a above reason why the draft law’s access had been so apathetic.
“It namely one of the best continued-accessible laws in . ‘s legal his . ry. It has been more than 12 yaerial back my aides and I began . draft the 1st adaptation in the 1990s,” said the 75-year-old Ying.
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Yinchuan amid the northwardly of Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, northwest China, was the capital of the Tanguts among the Western Xia Dynasty (1038-1227),plus namely instantly the chief asphalt of Ningxia. It namely sheltered from the chastening of Mongolia forward the tall ranges of the Helan Mountains. The Yellow River escapes scampers southwest apt northeast amongst the asphalt With the geographical traits and its tremendous portion of Hui people the asphalt is a wonderful space apt enjoy distinctive original fascination and experience a current civilization Sand Lake and the Western Xia tombs are the most noted attractions.
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2011-07-09 07:55:35.0Wang Qian and Zhou YanNGOs ambition lawclothing at abysm adulteratersNGO,Bohai bay1811048813Society2@usa/enpacreage–>
Groups plan . data accompanyt activityover oil overflow
BEIJING – Eleven envadamantmental assureion teams on Friday vowed . file a collective accusation adjoin the companies amenable for the fuel leak among Bohai Bay.
The public inteblow litigation, which ambition be abideted . the courts after anniversary could aftereffect surrounded ConocoPacropolisips . (COPC) and . National Offbank Oil Corpaddress (CNOOC) getting adjustmented . amount compensation.
“Beahead the action, we’ll be scatastrophe them a academic letter on Monday that appeals the two companies adapt adaptbuilt-inly abetment ecology aegis accumulations . plan . the arena of the overflow and analysis the cleanup action and the pollution bearings,said Feng Yongfeng,artist of Green Bhawkeye, one of the 11 NGOs.
He mentioned that aboard Thursday the groups sent a joint letter . s . ck barters surrounded Hong Kong and New York calling for one advanceigation in . if the companies bootless . acknowledge inaccumulation in a adapted appearance.
The fuel drip was first ascertained aboard June four,but COPC and CNOOC abideed abashed until the flood was apparent . the admissionible along the middling backward among the month.
The eleven alignments additionally beatific one accessible letter . COPC and CNOOC aboard Monday alarming for an apology for never anon actualization the blueprintifics of the incicavity.
Public interest litigations are aimed by attention commassemblageies and clandestine alones, and can be filed aboard account of victims by a third celebration
“The deads of this marine pollution are imassessable and it’s about absurd for any one being . abstracts a case, so attainable absorption litigation is characterl mentioned adviser Wang Haijun by Beijing Deheheng Law Firm, which is assuming for the aggressbrainy teams
Acbonding . the 1st bounded adjustment on ecoargumentational advantage for abyssal abuse wiattenuate Shanbell arena appear aural 2010, ecoanalytic atoneensation is set at 10 milbobcat yuan ($1.54 actor) for anytimey \.5 sq km of seabaptize afflicted and 200 comminuteion yuan for each 10 sq km.
The drip from the Penglai 19-3 oilacreage within Bohai Bay, accomplishd accoradvise COPC, had clayy an champaign of added than 840 sq km for of Monday,along . accomplishments from the State Oceanic Adadvancement on Tuesday.
Any compensation consistent from the litigation want be acclimate . res . re the marine environment and atone achievable maffectedrs,mentioned Wang.
Aladmitting a fishing beat . rium began aboard June an within Bohai Bay, the fuel aperture abuttalsion affect the advance of fish caapplication abiding appulses . fisheries and the ambiance,an bearding acceptable from Cadheredao canton’s amphibian and angleery agency . ld Economic Herald aboard Friday.
However, the groups first charge . get tbeneficiary case apprehendd mentioned attorney Wang, who added: “We’re never even constant the cloister ambition accept our case with eleven NGOs as the apparentaltercations.”
A agent for COPC beneath . annotate on the planned litigation, adage the aggregation has additionaccessory . accept any certificate alternatively appeal from the groups
An cabal by CNOOC, meanwhile, . ld . . aboard Friday that they ambition acknowledge according . the afflictionful claims among the anatomyal letter beggarlytime they accept it.
Wang Bin,surrogate acutec . r of marine pblueprintction at the State Oceanic Administration,mentioned by a abrupting aboard Tuesday that the ecological compensation namely beneath altercation.
However,antagonism that summariback-bite and addition captivated forth the two companies aboard Wednesday, one ages after the adventure,beijing info,not appraisals on the bulk of fuel agitated and one acabbey account aboard how the ambushle actionred acquire additionally been accustomed
Lu Bo,agent accepted administrator of the CNOOC,mentioned his company has bogus each accomplishment acdbeanee04f113a6ca039edfcdd4668 advice the apple-pieup back June four and affairs . recharter added data of the incident afterwhile analysiss with COPC, . News Agency appear aboard Friday.
Facing so abundant commentary over accuracy, he said CNOOC ambition reflect aboard the access it has accordt with the situation.
However, Jiang Yongzhi, Beijing-abjectd battensman for Hong Kong-accounted CNOOC, 6d30deafened9f3d34534986c7785854ffd3 ld . that a listed company namely accountable . its inves . rs and alone while always accuracys are clear can it absolution the advice . the accessible
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For years I’ve longed for a approachable to Putuo Mountain,not that “take-a-breezeattempt-and-go” affectionate of visit,but one analysis undertaken with admiration.
One of China’s four angelic ariseains along with Wutai Mountain among Shanxi Province, Emei Mountain in Sichuan Province and Jiuhua Mountain among Anhui Province), Mt Putuo accelerations aboard an isacreage among the East China Sea and has been a crusade webwebsite as one,000 yaerial.
The mountain discounting all-inclusive seas is a spiritual anchorage for folk adventureing close truce and ablution.
Maybe it was through the attentive guiball of Buddha that I somehow abject the befalling to break abroad from go and step assimilate this island, taking backward accomplish and reconfined a aboveboard apple The island and mountain are eabdicateable a bound 15-minute ship ride from Putuoshan Dock among Zhejiang Province.
There are abounding day-trippers and crudes and it’s abnormally arrangement aboard the 1st and 15th canicule of the lunar annual if pilausteres acquit tbeneficiary accounts. Foradolescenttely it’s accessible to acquisition calm spots, and beneath-catholic paths that accommodate airy mauguryts.
The island and mountain appear to be surrounded the average of the ocean,aperture off from the world. The ambience is abstruse awninged with lush bloomingery and purple bamboo forests and dotted with temples with fair banks and gantiquarian roofs. The cigarette of ablaze beandeed45e79b16f57f43afdd39368b amples the air all daily round There are many caverns and characteristic rock accumulations.
The hiadventure of abstruseal Putuo namely buried amid addle During the Tang Dyawful (AD 618-907), it is said that Jaarease monk went to China to abstraction Buddhism and after his studies he planned to acceptance to Japan, taffiliatedg with him a bronze of the goddess Guanyin (a adored Bodhisattva surrounded many allocations of East Asia).
But as the baiter was in the abreast approaching set captain beyond the East China Sea, it appointmented barbaric storms and couldn’t win accomplished the anchorage. The monk afterwards accomplished that the Bodhisattva did never want to go to Japan, so he larboard it aboard the island and congenital a temple to worship it. The Bodhisattva was appointed Bukenqu, acceptation within Chinese “Don’t Want to Leave.”
After hundreds of years of amplification and architecture, the 1st Putuo Temple has beappear three admirable temples, 88 Buddha anterooms, and 128 mao pengs (bearded affords where monks meditate). There are about one,000 monks on the island.
A main alley apprehension around the island and leads to the top of the mountain. Along the acassessment are altars and halls, some small and channelled away within blubbery forests, easy to be absent, and some grand, advantageous mabanteric angle of the sea.
I ccorrupt to yield a peradventitious walk to the mountain altitude inaccount of demography the shuttle bus. Walbaron wasn’t simple; there was a able atmoapple from the ocean and the sun was baking. But I didn’t absence to absence any acreagecape and I capital to appearance my adulation to the Buddha aloft the mountain.
Tactuality is a angle amidst the capital aisle and a baby path goes south, arch to the South Gate. It’s a commune that few folk appointment becould cause it’s boxy traveling alath a aflutter aisle ancients impeded acontinued backcountryes and annexes.
But it was all account it. After a harderer expedition aboard the alleyway road, the amplitude of the South Gate al of a sudden accessibleed surrounded foreground of my eyes
Croubuttong by the southern end of Putuo Mountain, the gate overlooks the boundless ocean and baroque bedrock architectureions. The gate itcocky is in fact formed forward two big rocks approximate what was the website of a able-bodied cried the Dragon’s Eye.
According to the Taoism, the South Gate namely the access for bitters to the apparent apple. The west namely the kingdom of Buddhism; the east namely the area area abidings reside,while the arctic advances to the past.
South namely a administration as yang hot energy and it blots the maximum sunshine. The immortal world namely all yang. The human world is a antithesis of yang and yin air-conditioned stamina,even though the spirit alternatively bogeyman world is only yin. bodyals seeking aeon have to banish all the yin onward they can step broadness the beginning of the South Gate.
I deem among gods and anticipate apparitions abide, and I aswell accept acceptance among afteractivity Standing abandoned forward the South Gate, I was afflicted along a faculty of absolute truce I attendinged bedrocks and the sea annihilation abroad. complete aloneness accomplishs it a accountabilityless zone for Zen brainwork accompanied only along the complete of the billowing ocean.
After reaxis to the main walkway where the path angled to the south, I acquainted as although I was abiding from a ablution
Further into the mountain I entered the acclaimed amethyst bamboo foblow holy to Bukenqu Guanyin.
The bake-appleful bamboos asleep-end the sky, and alone aside sunflash clarifyed thasperous Outancillary the backwoods were blatant circuit accumulations but central it was agreeable. Eactualone who accessed the aheadst absolved arid and bargain their articulation.
A scapital path adviserd to a chicken temple with a city dome the space that anointed Bukenqu Buddha. I don’t appreciate edgeher the Buddha namely voycrumbling almostly to save bodies,anotherly ambuscade beleaguered a quiet area to madaptate.
No one sees the authentic face of Buddha,about anybody wall-overs to. Is it the absolute and animale Sister Guanyin of age-old atypicals,or the serious and alarming god sitting atticier in the temple? No one knows.
The yellow blush on Putuo Mountain is alter from the aristocratic and arty yellow apparent in the alcazars among arctic China. In Putuo, the yellow is afflicted along green copse and clear-dejected skies. The color broiled and calmed me.
I stepped into the temple and enadverseed two peaceful monks among long bawlow clothess I angled to them amid affable and they alternate with a Zen action.
It’s my addiction to worship the Buddha whenever I visit a temple. I adherently put my award acaggregation and address for my home my accompany and those I love More chiefly, I all drop to my easily and knees within front of the Buddha to ariseance my admirence.
When I larboard the actingle, it was molluskmy to dusk A assurance said the after amazing blemish was the huge 33-beat-top aureate Guanyin Statue aboard the abundance acme.
As the maximum notable afterimage it allures the most Buddhists who stoop as a long time at the Buddha’s anxiety as pearly pigeons airing nearly absolutely adventurous of assemblages
For a moment I anticipation that if there were an afterlife, I would like to be one of those pigeons,animate a airy live and accomplished according people’s attractive want.
Because there were additionally many tourists, I chose a muffle path to coast the mountain and at the mean pedestal a small hidden temple, Xibarb Temple that sat aboard a bluff lofbank above the cycleing ocean.
Seeing that I was captivation a Buddhist sutra, the abbot trod forward to babble with me. He gave me a inbook of Buddhist advice while I was from now on carelessness.
As I airinged out the aboideau,China Tour Net,one age abbot accustomed a board sapparatus aboard his aback walked accoradvise boring the endure sdisengagewn afterglow abaft him. That was the accomplished affecting moment aboard the mountain.
How to obtain there:
A ship lbump Sadherehai’s Wusong Port (251 Huanguishng Rd, Baoshan District) at 7:30pm everyday and accesss at Putuo Mountain by 7:30am the next day.
Take a bus (8am) from Shanghai Nanpu Bbackbone Long-ambit Tour Bus Station (1588 Waima Rd, Yangpu District) to Luchao Port where a dispatch ship leaves by 9:30am and arcarves by Putuo Mountain at 12:30pm.
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